[08:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:30] <maco> Reminder to US-based folks: Ohio LinuxFest CFP closes next Wednesday http://ohiolinux.org/cfp10.html
[16:32]  * czajkowski is going to the Ubuntu hour next wednesday to meet Orla who won the Ubuntu women competition, by all accounts she's still thrilled
[18:56] <pleia2> vish: any update on our logo?
[18:56]  * pleia2 isn't sure where that was left off
[18:57] <vish> pleia2: yeah , troy contacted akgraner and mentioned he was re-doing it. i think she might know more
[18:57] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[18:58] <vish> np.
[19:56] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll email Troy this afternoon and see where he is on it..
[19:57] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks, can you Cc: me on it? (that way I don't need to bug you about it :))
[19:57] <akgraner> hmmm I thought I had CC'd you ... that's weird.. but sure...
[19:58] <akgraner> pleia2, weird that I didn't not that I would include you...
[19:58] <akgraner> I hope you know what I mean...
[19:58] <akgraner> :-)
[20:00] <pleia2> I wasn't really involved much with logo stuff before, but now it's a blocker for our new website design so I care more ;)
[20:32] <AlanBell> is it dependent on the font?
[20:33] <AlanBell> ivanka was talking about letting us know when that might be released this week
[21:02] <AlanBell> @now
[21:04] <pleia2> might be, I think we need the letters for "women"
 Current time in Etc/UTC: June 24 2010, 20:03:57
[21:04] <AlanBell> I need the letters for "UK"
[21:24] <pleia2> anyone care to volunteer to chair the meeting in ~1.5 hours? I can do it if required, but I'm at work so having my attention diverted is a possibility
[21:25] <AlanBell> pleia2: can you do the acl magic on http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda please
[21:26] <AlanBell> and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/June2010/Agenda for that matter
[21:26] <pleia2> done, and updated to point to June
[21:27] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:27] <pleia2> ok, I shouldn't do this on too many pages since it's a pretty wide open acl
[21:27] <pleia2> but done there too
[21:28] <AlanBell> can an ACL line be in an <<include>> I wonder
[21:28] <pleia2> I don't think so
[21:28] <pleia2> but getting things sorted with the sysadmins is a wiser approach to take
[21:28] <AlanBell> yes
[21:31] <AlanBell> actually moin groups would work rather well
[21:34] <pleia2> the plan is to have all the members of the UW LP team have full access, I thought it had actually been implemented but now it's unclear
[21:34] <dinda> pleia2: is it too late to add an item to the agenda?
[21:34] <pleia2> so their lp ids would be added to the group
[21:34] <pleia2> dinda: nope, go for it
[21:35] <dinda> pleia2: just tryinhg to get support for my menotring project
[21:35]  * dinda curses typing skills today
[21:35] <pleia2> oh sure, feel free to add it near the user days announcement :)
[21:37] <AlanBell> dinda: that is exactly why I wanted the agenda unlocked :-)
[21:37] <dinda> AlanBell: :)
[21:39] <AlanBell> pleia2: right now without asking anyone we could set up a page with a list of launchpad ids that are trusted to edit regular pages and refer to that page as a group in the acl
[21:39] <AlanBell> and another page for people who can edit the home page and the header etc.
[21:39] <pleia2> AlanBell: yeah, but I am in the middle of working with the sysadmins to fix things, so that would take time and complicate the current testing
[21:40] <AlanBell> ok
[21:40] <pleia2> if it gets really drawn out we'll consider something like that, but currently we're the lp group acl guinea pigs
[21:40] <pleia2> and I don't want to make it more confusing to figure out than it already is :)
[21:41] <AlanBell> sure, if someone is already on it then lets do it that way.
[21:41] <pleia2> it's been locked down for weeks, I am hoping a few days more won't be too much of a hassle
[21:42] <pleia2> especially now that we have a temporary work-around
[21:42] <AlanBell> indeed, I just wasn't aware that the lp group plan was in progress
[22:06] <dinda> so one hour to meeting time?  i'm time-zone impaired :)
[22:06] <pleia2> yep :)
[22:06] <dinda> ok, brb
[22:14] <pleia2> ok, I have a conference call but I'll be back for the meeting
[22:26] <elky> Hmm, new job messes up availability for this lot of meetings. D'oh.
[23:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[23:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 22:00. The chair is pleia2.
[23:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:00] <pleia2> hey everyone
[23:00] <pleia2> The meeting agenda is here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/June2010/Agenda
[23:00] <dinda> congrats to the newly elected pleia2 and elky!
[23:00] <AlanBell> o/
[23:00] <pleia2> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/June2010/Agenda
[23:00] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/June2010/Agenda
[23:00] <akgraner> o/
[23:01] <Dolasilla> o/
[23:01] <pleia2> thanks :) as akgraner mentioned in her email a poll went out for the other two candidates
[23:01] <pleia2> so if you didn't receive a link to th new poll, be sure to follow up with her
[23:01] <akgraner> 30 people have voted so far in the new poll only 33 voted in the other original poll...
[23:02] <dinda> akgraner: wow - those #s are lower than I would have thought
[23:02] <akgraner> me too...:-/
[23:02] <pleia2> yeah
[23:03] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Blueprint Progress
[23:03] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Blueprint Progress
[23:03] <pleia2> akgraner: did you want to talk about this one?
[23:03] <akgraner> sure  -
[23:04] <akgraner> So we still need work on the Mentoring program
[23:04] <akgraner> not sure where we stand with making sure the description of the program stands
[23:05] <akgraner> to make sure everything we have written about it correctly identifies what we are doing
[23:05] <pleia2> I'm waiting on Pendulum to get some drafts to me so I can review
[23:05] <akgraner> great! :-)
[23:05] <pleia2> I'll touch base with her to find out where we are
[23:06] <akgraner> The Marketing Plans across the board are almost complete and will be added to various wikis next week
[23:06] <pleia2> [ACTION] pleia2 to follow up with Pendulum regarding Mentoring Docs draft
[23:06] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  pleia2 to follow up with Pendulum regarding Mentoring Docs draft
[23:06] <pleia2> great :)
[23:06] <dinda> akgraner: can you give us a preview of what's in the marketing plan?
[23:07] <akgraner> sure - basically...  we need to makes sure we use all social media and what we don't have set up we need to set those up
[23:07] <akgraner> we need to use the Community resources in place
[23:07] <akgraner> such as mailing list, Forums, Fridge, UWN and blogs on the planet
[23:07] <dinda> is there a tag like czajkowski # locoteams one?
[23:08] <akgraner> we have #ubuntuwomen
[23:08] <akgraner> and maco created an identia group for it
[23:08] <akgraner> identi.ca
[23:08] <akgraner> even
[23:08] <maco> that was a loooong while ago
[23:08] <pleia2> we already use all these resources pretty well, so mostly this is just documenting it and making sure it gets done every time?
[23:08] <akgraner> nods
[23:09] <akgraner> I have created a check list - as well as a list of professional print and online resources as well
[23:09] <pleia2> great
[23:10] <akgraner> Also ways to backwards plan - as suggestions not as a set in stone howto
[23:10] <dinda> sounds great
[23:10] <akgraner> so all that will get added next week - pleia2 can you put me down for an action item on that
[23:10] <pleia2> [ACTION] akgraner to complete draft of team Marketing Plans
[23:10] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  akgraner to complete draft of team Marketing Plans
[23:11] <akgraner> (I was horrible about emailing people reminders for action items - sorry y'all)
[23:11] <akgraner> There is also - Ubuntu-Women.org - Work with the design team to define the design direction and Ubuntu-Women.org - Move static pages to the wiki
[23:11] <akgraner> as  well as Ubuntu-Women.org - Identify content to be re-developed
[23:12] <pleia2> yeah, that's all ongoing, no real updates since the post to the list
[23:12] <akgraner> pleia2, and elky can speak to those better than I
[23:12] <pleia2> we're waiting on the logo to really do a design
[23:12] <akgraner> yep - I will see where that sits and CC you all on the email
[23:12] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:13] <pleia2> which is the last item in the blueprint, so sounds like we're chugging along through these things alright
[23:13] <akgraner> nods
[23:13] <pleia2> any other comments on any of the blueprint things?
[23:13] <akgraner> I don't have anything
[23:14] <pleia2> ok
[23:14] <pleia2> [TOPIC] 100 New Ubuntu Users Project
[23:14] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  100 New Ubuntu Users Project
[23:14] <pleia2> dinda: you're up!
[23:14] <dinda> woohoo!
[23:14] <dinda> this is an attempt to jump start some mentoring
[23:14] <dinda> the UW group included
[23:14] <pleia2> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject
[23:14] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject
[23:15] <dinda> just trying to get support for others and make the project known
[23:15] <dinda> akgraner: can you add to weekly newsletter?
[23:15] <akgraner> yep - already there for this week :-)
[23:15] <dinda> didn't know if there was someone else in the group who wanted to help steer the UW side of the project
[23:16] <dinda> I'm trying to focus on education and teachers personally but anyone or group is welcome to participate
[23:16] <pleia2> I don't have time to help steer, but I'd be happy to tell more folks about it
[23:16] <jledbetter_> So we just do it and update the table?
[23:16] <dinda> that's it - just makes notes of when you introduce a new person to ubuntu
[23:16] <jledbetter_> Cool
[23:17] <dinda> it's a tangible way to show that we are reaching out to others
[23:17] <dinda> no personal identifiers need to be posted, I just used initials
[23:17] <dinda> but if folks also want to join Laucnhpad group that's great too
[23:17] <dinda> I think it will be fun to see how quickly we can reach 100 new people
[23:18] <pleia2> dinda: I don't remember, did you post about it to the loco-contacts list? since loco teams are pretty much in the business of spreading ubuntu I think if they can be convinced to participate they'd be really strong contributors
[23:18] <dinda> then we can talk about ways to move to the next level with the mentoring project
[23:18] <dinda> pleia2: I don't think I did, didn't want to spam so was trying to mail to each group as I remembered them
[23:18]  * pleia2 nods
[23:19] <dinda> and I'm once again attempting to add my blog to planet
[23:19] <dinda> I keep getting stuck at the hackergotchi stage ;)
[23:19] <akgraner> dinda I think this project would also be a great way to test the marketing and creating buzz plan :-)
[23:19] <pleia2> dinda: I'd be happy to help out if you get stuck again, I've helped a few people through the process
[23:19] <dinda> akgraner: yip, exactly
[23:20] <akgraner> dinda, I found a great tutorial on youtube  for creating those
[23:20] <akgraner> I'll send you link
[23:20] <dinda> nice, thanks
[23:20] <dinda> pleia2: is this something I can maybe work with Pendulum on in the mentoring area?
[23:20] <akgraner> but I don't think I created one this last time - I just made the pic the right sise
[23:20] <akgraner> size
[23:21] <pleia2> dinda: yeah, I think that'll fit in nicely
[23:21] <dinda> great, let's start spreading the word and get to 100 x 100!
[23:21] <dinda> thanks all
[23:21] <pleia2> [ACTION] dinda to talk to Pendulum about Mentoring & 100 Users Project relationship
[23:21] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  dinda to talk to Pendulum about Mentoring & 100 Users Project relationship
[23:22] <pleia2> thanks dinda :)
[23:22] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements
[23:22] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Announcements
[23:23] <pleia2> Ubuntu User Days on July 10th is an IRC-based event in #ubuntu-classroom which has a bunch of classes geared toward regular users (instead of developers or contributors)
[23:23] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[23:23] <pleia2> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[23:23] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[23:23] <pleia2> darn "s" in the url :)
[23:24] <pleia2> the following week, starting July 12th, Developer Week will happen in #ubuntu-classroom: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[23:24] <pleia2> any other announcements?
[23:24] <akgraner> we are looking for session leaders for Developer Week
[23:25] <pleia2> akgraner: how do you apply to lead a session?
[23:25] <akgraner> go to the prep page (let me get the link)
[23:25] <akgraner> and add the session you want to lead
[23:25] <dinda> User Days is already full and confirmed - nice work
[23:26] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[23:26] <akgraner> there are 7 slots still open for Developer Week
[23:27]  * AlanBell notes a regexp in mootbot that needs fixing for https
[23:27] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[23:27] <pleia2> I think the only other update I have is wiki stuff
[23:28] <pleia2> we had it locked down for a couple weeks, but we're not actively working with the canonical sysadmins to set up an access control list that we'll have greater access to manipulating moving forward
[23:28] <pleia2> s/not/now
[23:29] <dinda> was this the same issue/group that caused the whole need for the invites room?
[23:29] <pleia2> part of this includes having ssh access on the server where the wiki resides, which is going to help us do things like lock it down ourselves if the need arises again (no panicking to contact sysadmins)
[23:29] <pleia2> dinda: yep
[23:29] <pleia2> luckily it just means we now have better security, and hasn't been a huge hassle since wiki admins always had access and I was able to add more admins
[23:30] <dinda> I never saw news about that whole incident - was there a conscious decision to just keep it out of sight and let it blow over?
[23:30] <pleia2> we're still working out the kinks of the new wiki ACLs, but hopefully it'll be all sorted soon, if you need anything updated on the wiki just nudge elky, akgraner or myself and we can help with changes
[23:31] <pleia2> dinda: yeah, it's pretty much the way you have to handle trolling, they want attention
[23:31] <pleia2> so we just have to deal with it quietly and move on
[23:33] <pleia2> anyway, the channel is open again and we have a procedure for handling this kind of thing
[23:33] <pleia2> plus a lot of people were added to the invite list, so it shouldn't be so bad if it happens again
[23:34] <pleia2> I'm inclined to wrap up this meeting unless anyone has anything else to add
[23:34] <dinda> +1
[23:34] <akgraner> +1 for wrapping up :-)
[23:34] <jledbetter_> +1
[23:35] <pleia2> great :) thanks for coming everyone!
[23:35] <akgraner> Congrats to pleia2 and elky!  and Thanks for a great 6 months everyone... Reminder new poll ends on Monday!
[23:35] <pleia2> you did a great job akgraner, thanks again!
[23:36] <jledbetter_> akgraner, Thank you :)
[23:36] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[23:36] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 22:36.
[23:37] <pleia2> AlanBell: so when does Mootbot-UK replace old mootbot? :)
[23:37] <AlanBell> actually it won't
[23:37] <pleia2> aww
[23:37] <AlanBell> but the really new mootbot will totally rock
[23:37] <AlanBell> it is going to be a supybot plugin
[23:37] <pleia2> ah, nice
[23:37] <AlanBell> so written in python rather than TCL
[23:38] <AlanBell> and will support utf-8 for all the locos
[23:38]  * pleia2 nods
[23:38] <pleia2> cool
[23:38] <AlanBell> and it won't be a separate bot, it will be a facility that the loco bots can all provide
[23:38] <AlanBell> all the ubottu clones
[23:38] <akgraner> oh that's cool
[23:39] <pleia2> yeah, that'll be great :)
[23:39] <AlanBell> anyhow night night all o/
[23:40] <pleia2> night


 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
 wxl: what do we do with this?
 I want to SRU something before I apply for dev.
 Hit me with tasks if anyone finds anything.
[18:02] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: nothing. we need upstream.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I want to SRU something before I apply for dev.], ^
[18:11] <wxl> you don't need it
[19:57] <wxl> so i did some investigating and it looks like at least on focal (this is not true with bionic), lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-desktop^ both provide sddm and sddm-theme-lubuntu
[20:00] <wxl> oh derp nevermind my bionic comment
[20:01] <wxl> as of wheezy, though, debian basically made tasksel = metapackages so we should be good
[20:07] <lynorian> yet of course
[20:09] <wxl> did you mean yes?
 Thanks for checking on that wxl. Good information to know.
[20:10] <lynorian> oops
[20:10] <wxl> if you want to see what the task does: `taskel --task-packages lubuntu-desktop`
[20:10] <wxl> it returns `lubuntu-desktop^`
[20:11] <wxl> you can feed both `lubuntu-desktop` and `lubuntu-desktop^` through `apt-cache show` to see the results
 `apt install -s lubuntu-desktop` should simulate that too if I am not wrong.
[20:15] <wxl> right. for all intents and purposes the tasksel "package" with the carat is a package just like any other
 That makes sense.
 I appreciate you digging into it.
[20:17] <wxl> np
[20:17] <wxl> i remember there used to be a difference and indeed there was


[00:00]  * k1l wonders how that script works when random number is always 4 :)
[00:00] <k1l> http://xkcd.com/221/
[00:01] <bazhang> hahahah
[02:50] <k1l> reeelkkkip_: hi, can we help you?
[02:51] <reeelkkkip_> yes i've been banned from #ubuntu
[02:52] <k1l> what was your nick then?
[02:52] <reeelkkkip_> nggafriedchkn
[02:56] <rww> and based on your nicks since then and your behavior in #freenode with this one, I think that ban will stay
[02:57] <reeelkkkip_> ok well i guess it's time for me to evade
[02:57] <reeelkkkip_> :P
[02:58] <reeelkkkip_> i tried playing by the rules
[02:58] <rww> well no, you didn't, since you keep using racial nicks
[02:59] <reeelkkkip_> i'm not using a racial nick right now
[02:59] <reeelkkkip_> that was the last one i used
[02:59] <rww> Yes, you are.
[02:59] <rww> No, it wasn't.
[02:59] <reeelkkkip_> okay, how many more did i have?
[03:00] <rww> You've used 7 racist and one homophobic nick since you were originally banned in #ubuntu.   10. 2014. -offtopic is not publicly logged
[21:17] <k1l> but since i am not an op in -offtopic you will have to wait for an op to be available who is.
[21:23] <genii> share: It seems you were on a diatribe about Wayland/Mir at the time, near the end of it comparing Canonical to Microsoft and other silliness.
[21:39] <genii> share: Check back in after Christmas, the quiet will not be lifted today.
[22:18] <share> "wair for christmas" haha
[22:18] <share> *wait
[22:33] <k1l> seems like someone called the trollgang
[22:33] <ikonia> yup
[22:33] <bazhang> day ends in 'y'
[22:34]  * k1l checks
[22:34] <k1l> yep
[23:49] <hoverboard> hey what's the deal?
[23:49] <hoverboard> ikonia


[06:23] <Guest52389> guys, does anybody have troubles with last update?
[10:56] <bonsaitree> I am trying to register the nickname, but the IRC client responds with: "No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>"
[10:57] <bonsaitree> I am writing in this form: Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[10:57] <bonsaitree> Anyone can help? :)
[11:00] <knome> bonsaitree, people at #freenode can probably be the most helpful
[11:01] <bonsaitree> knome:Thanks
[11:01] <knome> also you probably want to tell that to nickserv, not chanserv
[11:01] <knome> :)
[11:07] <bonsaitree> knome:Yup, my bad :)
[11:10] <bonsaitree> Since i am ignored on #ubuntu,
[11:10] <bonsaitree> Is there a fix for the frequent internet connection drops (on both LAN and Wi-Fi) on 17.04? This is annoying. Thanks in advance.
[11:11] <bonsaitree> I have tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/905283/wifi-issue-with-ubuntu-17-04
[11:11] <bonsaitree> Without success on fixing it
[14:14] <amerigena> Lightdm is displaying my desktop wallpaper at login, upside down.
[14:41] <davlefou> Hi, i have an autologin and i want to automont all usb driver connected, how i do?
[14:57] <davlefou> Hi, i have an autologin and i want to automont all usb driver connected, how i do?
[19:16] <tyrog> Hi. I get some severe flicker in videos using Xubuntu (xfce + VLC). Is there a workaround for this? Thanks
[19:29] <diogenes_> tyrog, you mean tearing?
[19:29] <tyrog> diogenes_: yes, :)
[19:29] <diogenes_> tyrog, what graphic card?
[19:31] <tyrog> diogenes_: Intel
[19:31] <diogenes_> tyrog, run in terminal man intel and see if you have "tearfree" of something like that in the options
[19:34] <tyrog> diogenes_: But I don't have tearing in GNOME or Unity, for example
[19:35] <diogenes_> doesn't matter I gave you the solution
[19:35] <xangua> tyrog: did you enable xfce compositing? In window manager settings
[19:36] <diogenes_> tyrog, and if you want to get rid of tearing in a different way then install compiz
[19:36] <knome> another way to get rid of tearing is to put the computer in the closet and not use it too
[19:36] <knome> (:
[19:37] <diogenes_> knome, then tears on cheeks will come out
[19:39] <knome> but fixes screen tearing for sure
[19:39] <knome> :)
[19:40] <knome> tbh, what i was implying is that installing compiz is a pretty extreme way to get rid of tearing...
[19:40] <diogenes_> knome, can you explain why?
[19:42] <knome> compiz is not a very lightweight addition to xubuntu
[19:42] <knome> one could argue you're not even running xubuntu any more if you install compiz
[19:43] <knome> i'm not saying that's the case, but installing something in that magnitude to fix one bug is extreme in my opinion
[19:43] <diogenes_> knome, it takes 1% cpu and it doesn't break the xfce philosophy
[19:43] <knome> obviously if the screen tearing is annoying you very much and you don't care about running compiz, then it might be sensible
[19:46] <diogenes_> knome, there's always a double edge sword, sometimes these minor things can keep one using a specific distro, if for example one's xubuntu experience grows immensely with compiz and, othewise he will give up on xubuntu, then why not use compiz?
[19:46] <knome> i just said it might be sensible for somebody, but i would personally consider it a bit extreme


[02:23] <Private_User> evening/morning people ;)
[05:52] <superfly> afternoon
[05:53] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:53] <superfly> naandsê oom Kilos
[05:54] <Kilos> hehe
[06:04] <nuvolari> oh howdy
[06:04] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[06:04]  * nuvolari tips hat @ superfly, Kilos, maaz and anyone interested in receiving a greeting
[06:04] <nuvolari> :P
[06:05] <Kilos> lol
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> g'day
[06:14] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:22] <nuvolari> hallo ThatGraemeGuy
[06:23] <Squirm> morning
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:26] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[06:27] <superfly> and ThatGraemeGuy, and Squirm
[06:37] <Private_User> (*ignores nuvolari gesture of tipping hat since he is not interested in receiving a greeting...*)
[06:37] <Private_User> :p
[06:37] <Kilos> hehe
[06:37] <Private_User> LOL
[06:37] <Private_User> :D
[06:37] <Private_User> good morning people
[06:37] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[06:38] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[06:39] <Private_User> and morning superfly, nuvolari, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:40] <Private_User> (*hoping nuvolari can now tip his hat at Private_User since he is now expecting a greeting*)
[06:40] <Private_User> :p
[06:40] <Private_User> hehe
[06:40] <superfly> yo Private_User
[06:40] <Private_User> LOL
[06:41] <Private_User> sup superfly
[06:53] <Squirm> Maaz_:
[06:53] <Maaz_> Squirm: Huh?
[06:53] <Squirm> Maaz_: coffee please
[06:53] <Maaz_> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[06:53] <Squirm> Maaz_: coffee on
[06:53]  * Maaz_ washes some mugs
[06:53] <Squirm> Maaz_: larger
[06:53] <Maaz_> inna bucket for you Squirm
[06:54] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:57]  * inetpro shocked to see the crazy amount paid for a simple mobile messaging organisation with only 45 employees
[06:57] <Private_User> morning inetpro
[06:57] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[06:57] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[06:58] <Private_User> (*wondering what inetpro is on about*)
[06:58] <inetpro> Private_User: facebook paid for your privacy
[06:59] <inetpro> they're acquiring whatsapp for $19bn
[07:00] <Kilos> eeeek
[07:01] <Squirm> inetpro: yeah
[07:01] <Squirm> it's all downhill for whatsapp now
[07:01] <inetpro> that is what I'm thinking as well
[07:02] <inetpro> but with that amount I'm sure they won't mind
[07:02]  * Squirm sees advertising and Facebook messenger integration coming
[07:02] <Private_User> man I agree with inetpro why so much and why
[07:02] <Squirm> Private_User: probably because of the very large userbase
[07:03] <Squirm> actually, I can't think of another reason
[07:04] <Private_User> yeah but this is starting look like social networking and media is head towards a monopoly if every time a new one pops up and does well they get bough out by the bigger fish
[07:05] <superfly> Telegram
[07:05] <Private_User> *bought
[07:05] <superfly> telegram.org
[07:05] <superfly> since when has it NOT been downhill for WhatsApp?
[07:05] <superfly> their security is pathetic
[07:11] <Private_User> LOL
[07:11] <Private_User> I have just been reading telegram faq and read this question "Q: Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my wife and enslave my children?"
[07:12] <Kilos> hehe
[07:14]  * inetpro agrees with @darb on twitter
[07:14] <inetpro> RT @darb: Hey mobile operators, you directly created WhatsApp's 450m user / $18bn opportunity through rampant profiteering on SMS. Take a bow.
[07:16] <inetpro> and @alanknottcraig: At a valuation of $19bil and a total of 32 employees, WhatsApp must have the highest staff productivity in the world!
[07:16] <Private_User> lol
[07:16] <Private_User> but not all that bad
[07:17] <Private_User> for WhatsApp that is
[07:17] <Private_User> The purchase includes $12-billion in Facebook shares and $4-billion cash. It calls for an additional $3-billion in restricted stock units to be granted to WhatsApp founders and employees that will vest over four years.
[07:18] <inetpro> and all that for some hacked open source software
[07:22]  * nuvolari tips hat at Private_User
[07:22] <nuvolari> :P
[07:26] <Kilos> haha
[07:27] <Private_User> thank you nuvolari ;)
[07:35] <magespawn> good morning
[07:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:35] <Jono717> Morning PPL
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Jono717
[07:36] <Kilos> welcome to #ubuntu-za
[07:36] <Private_User> morning magespawn
[07:36] <magespawn> hey Kilos Private_User
[07:37] <Jono717> Thanks for the warm welcome pips what on the topic today
[07:37] <magespawn> so, what are we doing today?
[07:37] <Kilos> haha @ pips
[07:37] <Kilos> guys chatting about the whatsapp buy out
[07:38] <magespawn> hey Jono717 nothing fixed, whatever people bring up or need help on
[07:38] <magespawn> apparently apple is looking to buy tesla, but that might be just a rumour
[07:45] <Jono717> Hahaha Kilos
[07:45] <Jono717> Does anyone have experience with Openstack on Ubuntu
[07:46] <Kilos> just hang here there must be someone using it
[07:46] <Kilos> but guys are busy and sometimes take a while to get to you
[07:46]  * nuvolari looks at his empty tip hat :-/
[07:47] <Jono717> Okay kwl will do thank Kilos
[07:47] <inetpro> the apple tesla deal would IMHO also be a nightmare on it's own
[07:48] <inetpro> the way the South African-born Elon Musk has been doing things is just so anti-apple
[07:49] <inetpro> everything he did was open and transparent, at least from an outside point of view, while apple is all about doing things in secret
[07:51] <Kilos> oh Jono717 if you have a prob with that explain the problem here nicely then its a step forward
[07:52] <superfly> Jono717: not that I know of. Most folks in here are generally desktop folks, not server
[07:53] <Jono717> Okay will do so, at the moment don't have any issue.
[07:53] <Jono717> Okay cool thanks
[07:54] <Kilos> what does openstack do?
[07:55] <Kilos> ah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStack
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: it's an open source cloud platform, kinda like build-your-own Amazon EC2
[07:58] <Kilos> ty superfly
[07:58] <Kilos> cloud things need uncapped net
[07:59] <Jono717> Ja no that not at all problem
[08:01] <Private_User> what does Jono717 need to know about OpenStack? post the question here one of the knowledgeable people will automatically pop-in and answer his question or maybe even one of the people already here...
[08:11] <charl> good morning
[08:11] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[08:11]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[08:15] <Private_User> morning charl
[08:15] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:27] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:27] <Maaz_> charl: Okay :-)
[08:27] <charl> hi Private_User
[08:27] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:28] <Kilos> you use openstack?
[08:44] <nlsthzn> awesome , now have a kde panel on both desktops and they actually only show the windows open on that screen \o/
[08:44] <Kilos> cool
[08:45] <nlsthzn> it hadn't been working for me properly before... or I did something wrong perhaps :p
[08:45] <Kilos> you not allowed to chat here if you show as afk neelsie
[08:45] <Kilos> both desktops?
[08:45] <Kilos> workspaces?
[08:45] <nlsthzn> two screens
[08:46] <Kilos> aha
[08:46] <nlsthzn> ;)
[08:48] <nlsthzn> I almost choked on a coke I was drinking when I launched a game in linux and "Microsoft Studios" logo popped up
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[08:52] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[08:53] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:53] <Kilos> haha farmer just got an etoll account for his farm tractor
[08:56] <Golynx> hmm dunno about that stuff
[08:57] <Private_User> lol @ Kilos
[08:59] <Golynx> i didnt know this was possible http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/156016-3.png
[09:00] <Kilos> what?
[09:00] <Golynx> but in linux i guess anything is possible
[09:01] <Golynx> what? is in the image
[09:02] <Kilos> i dont understand
[09:02] <Kilos> you can open anything
[09:03] <Golynx> I wont put a virus in a link Kilos , why so afraid to check it
[09:03] <Vince-0> !
[09:03] <Kilos> i did Golynx but see nothing new to me
[09:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:04] <Golynx> oh, its ubwindows 7 lol
[09:04] <Golynx> but its only for 12.10 and up
[09:05] <Vince-0> !
[09:08] <superfly> sup Vince-0
[09:08] <superfly> Vince-0: have you heard of Telegram?
[09:09] <Golynx> hi superfly
[09:09] <superfly> hi Golynx
[09:10] <Golynx> i want to make a marriage game , but its web based . Can flask/python do the backend bit ?
[09:11] <superfly> If you can make it a web based game, you can do it in Flask
[09:11] <tumbleweed> superfly: http://blog.tincho.org/posts/Telegram/
[09:11] <Golynx> superfly: thats good to hear
[09:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: OK, except that his writing is somewhat sensationalist
[09:13] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:13] <charl> Kilos: i have looked into openstack but haven't used it yet
[09:14] <Kilos> ah just wondered. we had a guy here enquiring this morning
[09:14] <tumbleweed> superfly: sure
[09:15] <charl> Golynx: i styled my old gnome desktop at work to look almost exactly like OSX many years ago (back in 2006/7)
[09:18] <Golynx> hi charl, thats cool.
[09:19] <Golynx> superfly: i wana use a modified php bulletin board software i'm used to , like Mybb, since its a feature of the game
[09:20] <superfly> Golynx: oh, then no
[09:20] <Golynx> but will it conflict with flask
[09:20] <superfly> Golynx: I don't know how you want to go about it, but you can't just mix php and python
[09:21] <Golynx> oh ok, is there any up to date bulletin board software in python you can recomend
[09:25] <Golynx> flaskbb looks good , but i cant see when last it was updated. They still use nginx 1.2.1
[09:26] <Golynx> hi psyatw
[09:27] <psyatw> hi Golynx
[09:28] <Golynx> superfly: maybe i should stick with php in this, since i'm used to it. Flask will take me a while to get used to. thanks though.
[09:35] <superfly> nginx has nothing to do with Python or Flask
[09:35] <superfly> other than being a web server
[09:35] <superfly> doesn't matter if you use an older one
[09:36] <superfly> (or a newer one)
[09:37] <Golynx> superfly: yes true , i use nginx 1.4.1 . Just that the older the software the less secure it is , aspecially forum software like Flaskbb
[09:38] <tumbleweed> it's not about the age, so much as the length of time it's been unsupported
[09:39] <tumbleweed> old Ubuntu LTSs have old webservers in them, but they get security updates
[09:40] <Golynx> tumbleweed: yes regular security patches are important on both the server software and the applications that run on them
[09:41] <tumbleweed> yep
[09:54] <superfly> Golynx: my point is, nginx's version doesn't matter, just install the version you have and carry on.
[09:54] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[09:58] <Golynx> superfly: its not about nginx though. I may have written wrong there, since i didnt see a date of last update on flaskbb.org i got the error page with nginx version in the features tab.
[10:00] <Golynx> But i found in github the flaskbb repository was last updated 15 Feb 2014, so its all good now
[10:00] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[10:00] <magespawn> hi Golynx
[10:01] <Vince-0> !
[10:05] <Kilos> wbb
[14:49] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:40] <Kilos> whew nlsthzn you still here?
[15:40] <Kilos> no wprk?
[15:40] <Kilos> work either
[15:58] <nlsthzn> off
[15:58] <nlsthzn> karate competition tomorrow
[15:58] <Kilos> ah
[15:58] <Kilos> good luck
[15:58] <nlsthzn> thanks :)
[15:59] <nlsthzn> just going to have some fun...
[15:59] <Kilos> yeah you gotta look at everything like that
[16:00] <nlsthzn> can't take life to seriously... you don't get out alive
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <Kilos> watch the eyes
[16:01] <Kilos> eyes are doorways to the soul
[16:05] <nlsthzn> fists are the portal to the ground
[16:05] <Kilos> lol
[16:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:21] <Kilos> hi smile :-)
[17:22] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[17:26] <Kilos> i just woke up. i dont see smileys on konversation on unity
[17:26] <Kilos> sigh
[17:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:08] <inetpro> hmm...


[10:30] <G__81> can this channel be used to take sessions for people who are using ubuntu and who wish to do some software development on Ubuntu
[10:30] <G__81> ?
[10:30] <G__81> example:Lets say a person wants to know how to setup virtualization (qemu,UML) in ubuntu and build a virtual router environment
[10:31] <G__81> can those kind of sessions be taken ?
[10:31] <G__81> and some sessions on the Linux Kernel ?


[00:33] <jenkins> night all
[10:51] <nisshh> jenkins: ill be doing some work on the dev manual in a little while, ill make a branch up and turn it into the trunk so you can also start working on it
[10:53] <jenkins> cool nisshh sounds great
[10:54] <nisshh> ok
[10:55] <jenkins> I will be afk quite a bit today
[11:02] <nisshh> jenkins: ok, just work on it when you like
[11:03] <nisshh> im setting it up so the whole team can commit to the trunk anyway
[11:05] <jenkins> thats good
[11:05] <nisshh> yea
[11:32] <nisshh> jenkins: just so you know:https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk
[11:32] <nisshh> jenkins: thats the new trunk, which is owned by the whole dev manual team, not just me this time
[11:32] <nisshh> it also has the sample app in it
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk: ping
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk-android:
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk-android: ping
[11:39] <jenkins> nisshh: branch is great, kevin will not be up for 2-3 hours yet.
[11:40] <nisshh> jenkins: ok, cool, i need godbyk to teach me how to create and edit stuff like the /terminal command and such, unless you know how to do that?
[11:43] <jenkins> nisshh: have a look at the ubuntu-manual.cls file line 512
[11:43] <nisshh> ok
[11:43] <jenkins> what do you want to change about it?
[11:43] <jenkins> I have never done it before but I can't be ahrd
[11:46] <nisshh> jenkins: i dont want to change anything really, but i just though we might be creating commands and stuff in the future so i thought i should learn
[11:46] <jenkins> ok i see
[12:00] <c7p> jenkins, flan under which license is the quickshot  released ?
[12:02] <jenkins> c7p: GNU General Public License version 3, please point out that it is not worth forking/using as a code base at the moment as it is still mid rewrite
[12:03] <c7p> so for now it's only for the purposed of the manual ?
[12:03] <jenkins> no we are working for multiproject support this release, I think we said that in the e-mail i liked to you
[12:04] <nisshh> jenkins: is the new version going to be easier to use
[12:04] <c7p> ok, i'm just writing an introduction about the UM project and the quickshot in greek so i can motivate them to learn more
[12:05] <jenkins> thats the idea, cool.
[12:05] <jenkins> when you are done can you link me it please, I will have a read using google translate.
[12:05] <c7p> ok :)
[12:06] <jenkins> thanks :), feel free to post it on the forum when you are done, I would jsut like to see peoples response
[12:15] <c7p> jenkins: do you have the ML url handy? if not don't mind I'll find it on google
[12:16] <jenkins> c7p https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-May/014801.html
[12:16] <c7p> ok ty :)
[12:18] <c7p> should I add the link or quote the message ?
[12:18] <jenkins> up to you, which ever you like
[12:35] <c7p> jenkins: http://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13165
[12:37] <c7p> i can clarify any paragraph if you can't make out google's translation
[12:38] <jenkins> nope thats great,
[12:38] <jenkins> we shall see what people think
[12:40] <c7p> ok
[12:41] <jenkins> thanks c7p
[12:41] <jenkins> :)
[12:41] <jenkins> see you later all
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> does anyone use Back In Time for backups?
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> having a issue I can't solve
[16:50] <dutchie> ooh, backups
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> indeed sir
[16:51] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: sorry, cant help you, i use a bash script that uses rsync
[16:51] <dutchie> must get round to sorting them
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> well, Back In Time uses rsync as well
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> I just prefer the GUI
[16:51] <nisshh> yea
[16:51] <nisshh> some do some dont
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> maybe my issue is an rsync issue
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> not entirely sure
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> every two days, Back In Time does a complete backup
[16:52] <semioticrobotic> regardless of changes, regardless of hardlinks, etc.
[16:52] <semioticrobotic> it just backs everything up from scratch ... and it's killing my drive (not to mention using more space than I have)
[16:53] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: its your back in time settings im guessing, you should be able to change when it does what type of backup
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> I've tweaked them twice
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> (over the past four days)
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> but this hasn't solved the problem ... not yet, anyway
[16:53] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: i would think that every 2 days is far too much
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> right
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> because a single full backup of my stuff takes 4+ hours
[16:54] <nisshh> yea
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> I don't mind doing that once, on initial backup to a fresh drive
[16:54] <nisshh> changes only would be what you want
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> precisely
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> and that's what I have it set to do
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> once very hour
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> *every
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> I save all backups for a year
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> and it quits if the drive has less than 1GB free
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> neither of those conditions have been met
[16:55] <nisshh> yea, maybe it has a default setting of full backups every 2 days, you should be able to change that
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> yes, I think so!
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Do you think a script would be better than this piece of software?
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> keep in mind that I'm somewhat n00bish
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> but would be willing to consider other options
[16:56] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: well, if you know enough about rsync, then yes
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> I've just migrated from Mac OS X, and this is the only issue that has me thinking of going back
[16:56] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: there are heaps of example rsync backup scripts on the net
[16:57] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: yea, scripts are the way to go for something like backups
[16:57] <semioticrobotic> are they easy to set up and run automatically?
[16:57] <semioticrobotic> (Back in Time uses cron for its scheduling)
[16:57] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: create your script and run it manually once to make sure it works, then add it as a cron job
[16:57] <dutchie> !info rsnapshot
[16:57] <dutchie> hmm
[16:58] <nisshh> dutchie: real smooth :)
[16:58] <semioticrobotic> :)
[16:58] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: just looked it up ... reading now
[16:59] <dutchie> hello manualbot
[16:59] <dutchie> !info rsnapshot
[16:59] <dutchie> !ping
[16:59] <manualbot> pong
[17:00] <dutchie> oh well
[17:00] <nisshh> meh
[17:00] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: hmmm, well, I know this decreases my cred, but I'll need to admit that this looks just a little too complicated for my current skill set
[17:00] <dutchie> fair enough
[17:01] <semioticrobotic> sorry :/
[17:01] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: give it a go, you can do it
[17:01] <semioticrobotic> something to work up to, of course  :)
[17:02] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Well, while I appreciate your confidence, I'm not so sure  :)
[17:02] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: meh, well, maybe one day youll try it
[17:04] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: of course, I'll continue to read and tinker .. but when it comes to backups, I like to be sure I'm absolutely comfortable with the solution I've implemented
[17:05] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: yea, good point, are you really backup consious are you?
[17:07] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Yes.  I keep several external volumes filled with irreplaceable files
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: and I want them backed up consistently and thoroughly
[17:08] <nisshh> yea
[17:08] <nisshh> work files im guessing?
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> i just can't believe someone hasn't implemented a more n00b-proof backup solution for Ubuntu by now
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> yes
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> on the whole
[17:09] <nisshh> yea, well, rsync is pretty damn easy
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> I have a 6GB research library -- 900 books and 2000+ articles -- that I've compiled over the last decade
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> I would be devastated if they were lost
[17:09] <nisshh> oooh, id like to read those
[17:10] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: as well as my backup script i also have 3 external drives i mirror too
[17:10] <dutchie> there is a thing
[17:10] <dutchie> deja dup
[17:10] <nisshh> plus my raid array
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: I looked at deja dup, too, but I forget why I ruled it out ...
[17:10] <dutchie> i've heard of it being discussed for the default install, so it must be fairly noob-proof
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> will look into it again
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> yes, it is
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> actually, I think I remember now
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> Deja Dup only restores enture snapshots
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> *entire
[17:12] <semioticrobotic> I don't think it can do per-file restores
[17:12] <semioticrobotic> and when I only want to retrieve a single file (or pdf, something like that), it's a hassle
[17:13] <dutchie> how does it store them? tarballs?
[17:13] <semioticrobotic> um, let me check
[17:14] <semioticrobotic> dutchie, not sure
[17:15] <semioticrobotic> just looking at the Launchpad page now
[17:15] <dutchie> never mind
[17:16] <semioticrobotic> deja dup uses duplicity
[17:16] <semioticrobotic> (as its backend)
[17:17] <semioticrobotic> well, thanks for the help and suggestions, folks
[17:17] <semioticrobotic> I'm sure I'll figure something out
[17:25] <semioticrobotic> (in the meantime I've filed a question on Launchpad ... we'll see where it goes)
[17:45] <daker> hi
[17:46] <nisshh> daker: hey
[19:00]  * nisshh is compiling his own kernel :)
[21:54] <jenkins> evening all, how are we?
[21:56] <jenkins> quite here tonight
[21:57] <c7p> yap
[21:57] <dutchie> o/
[22:01] <jenkins> hello dutchie and c7p
[22:02] <c7p> hey jenkins
[22:21] <jenkins> godbyk: ping
[22:25] <c7p> in about an hour godbyk should be available
[22:26] <jenkins> k thanks
[22:26] <dutchie> daker: did you ping the other day?
[22:26] <jenkins> hey daker great to here how quickly you will be able to do the quickshot site, where are you putting the branch?
[22:27] <daker> dutchie, i don't remember
[22:27] <jenkins> dutchie: that may have been me, no worries now
[22:32] <daker> jenkins, there is no branch :)
[22:32] <jenkins> daker: cool if you don't mind can you do it under the quickshot project page :) please
[22:32] <daker> sure
[22:33] <jenkins> thanks, just checked you are in the quickshotdevs team
[22:37] <c7p> jenkins: could you help me to find what's the error on http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-el.log ?
[22:37] <jenkins> sure let me look
[22:38] <jenkins> found it
[22:38] <jenkins> where is the latest tex file? in the branch?
[22:38] <c7p> i am not sure
[22:38] <c7p> i will send you lattest on mail
[22:39] <jenkins> cool
[22:44] <jenkins> hmm not what i thought
[22:46] <jenkins> in case you have missed any of my other reminders, collaboration meeting on saturday 10th 8pm utc, if you are coming please add yourself to the list. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting , you can also add agenda items there. If everyone can add the pros and cons for docbook or mallard as the content pool http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/prosandcons . Thanks :)
[22:46] <jenkins> still trying to work it out c7p
[22:49] <c7p> what's the uDocs ?
[22:49] <daker> jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104704
[22:50] <jenkins> daker: \o/ :D
[22:50] <jenkins> c7p: sorry where is that written?
[22:50] <c7p> jenkins: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting
[22:51] <daker> i think it's Ubuntu Doc Team
[22:51] <daker> no ?
[22:51] <c7p> "uDocs, Manual, and Learning  teams collaboration meeting"
[22:51] <jenkins> c7p: i think i must have leaned on the keyboard with that open
[22:56] <daker> jenkins, https://code.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/website
[22:57] <jenkins> wow you have added alot how much, more needs doing?
[22:59] <daker> what ???!!!!
[22:59] <jenkins> c7p: I really can't find what is causing the error, it is usually an extra \ that causes that error.
[23:00] <jenkins> daker: you have added a lot of files all ready, how much more needs to be done before it is complete?
[23:00] <jenkins> sorry for the bad wording
[23:01] <daker> it will be complete for this week end
[23:01] <jenkins> thats great!
[23:02] <daker> if you want to run the website
[23:02] <jenkins> can I tweet the screenshot you sent? if i crop out the web browser.
[23:03] <daker> i'll make one for you
[23:03] <jenkins> it would be great if you could show me how to set it up I have no clue
[23:03] <jenkins> thanks
[23:04]  * jenkins notes daker uses the same theme as jenkins
[23:04] <daker> humpreybc too
[23:05] <c7p> jenkins: no problem, I can't find it either :P, kevin should be back in a few minutes so it's no big deal
[23:05] <jenkins> its really strange I must be missing something
[23:06] <c7p> I typed the make ubuntu-etc command on my system, and on the log file there isn't any word error
[23:08] <jenkins> hmm wierd
[23:13] <godbyk> jenkins, c7p: pong
[23:14] <c7p> hi kevin
[23:14] <jenkins> hey godbyk, I forgot what I was going to say. How are you? busy i guess
[23:15] <godbyk> not too bad. just got back from a meeting.
[23:15] <godbyk> (seems all I do these days is attend meetings. makes it hard to get stuff done.)
[23:15] <jenkins> can someone please confirm they got my meeting reminder on the mailing list?
[23:16] <daker> i got it
[23:17] <jenkins> thanks,
[23:17] <godbyk> c7p: the error in the log file on the builds site was the \dasho thing I mentioned to you earlier.
[23:17] <jenkins> I am determind to do it I will organise meetings until we decide/ get people from every team
[23:17] <godbyk> I haven't rebuilt the PDFs since.
[23:18] <c7p> ok nice
[23:18] <godbyk> jenkins: have people from other teams committed to showing up yet?
[23:18] <jenkins> err nope :( , I have flooded irc enough on this channel and the docs one
[23:20] <jenkins> well not on the pad some on the thread but not much since
[23:21] <jenkins> kevin, what do you dislike about the nexus one? I am tempted to get one once I start work
[23:24] <godbyk> jenkins: My biggest gripe is actually with T-Mobile's crappy service coverage in my area.  The phone (and Android) is pretty nice, I think.
[23:24] <godbyk> The 2.2 release fixed all my gripes, I think.
[23:24] <godbyk> I haven't had time to dink with it much since upgrading, though, so I don't know if it got them all or not.
[23:25] <jenkins> cool, I am going to have to think about if I can justify the cost
[23:25] <daker> jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104706
[23:26] <c7p> godbyk, are you available at this time ?
[23:26] <jenkins> thanks daker, any idea how to tweet a photo :$
[23:27] <dutchie> jenkins: http://twitpic.com/
[23:27] <dutchie> or one of the myriad similar sites
[23:27] <daker> tweetpic
[23:27] <daker> create an account on tweetpic
[23:28] <godbyk> c7p: sure, I can give you a few minutes before I have to dive back into other code.  (so much code!)  :)
[23:28] <c7p> ok :) thx
[23:29] <c7p> check this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3sIwez7O8A
[23:29] <jenkins> thanks daker , should be up soon
[23:30] <c7p> concerning the first item on the list, topo fixed the issue manually if it is ok with you we can overcome this way
[23:30] <dutchie> night all
[23:31] <dutchie> i will be back a week sunday
[23:31] <c7p> for more about the topo's way : http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/YknjBKBNG8
[23:32] <jenkins> bye dutchie
[23:32] <c7p> night dutchie
[23:32] <godbyk> see ya, dutchie
[23:32] <jenkins> daker: tweeted and facebook'd
[23:35] <godbyk> c7p: what are some of the glossary entries that were messed up before?
[23:36] <c7p> godbyk: actually it's their page refferences , https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1PVCof8xG_iEUwPNP_D4ya3s5O6G3i8diDWLe6iwLbTw&hl=en&authkey=CLTxr4UE&pli=1#
[23:39] <daker> good night
[23:39] <c7p> night daker
[23:40] <jenkins> night daker


[00:53] <OvenWerks> I wonder what other packages are missing for issue 79. I guess I should have studio-controls look for all required packages (import even those python modules that only autojack needs). I wonder if I can try except imports...
[01:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, I don't know. The error would indicate that python3-jack-client isn't installed, but I'm not sure now.
[01:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I wonder if they're missing python3-dbus and python3-alsaaudio.
[01:56] <OvenWerks> dbus would give an error, can't remember if I use alsa there, but jack should still start
[02:07] <OvenWerks> I guess if any of the init fails maybe not :)


[00:34] <gamerchick02> i'm going to be in Niagara Falls, NY
[00:35] <cmaloney> cool
[00:35] <cmaloney> over the weekend?
[00:48] <gamerchick02> no for Supreme Session. the second full week of June
[00:48] <gamerchick02> hence i'm going to miss Mug
[00:49] <gamerchick02> i always seem to have something come up when these things go on. ooof
[01:33] <cmaloney> ah
[01:33] <cmaloney> heh
[01:33] <cmaloney> You just need to stop being busy. :)
[01:36] <Zimdale> don't we all :(
[02:12] <Zimdale> How much does membership cost cmaloney?
[02:13] <cmaloney> Zimdale: $35 per year
[02:13] <cmaloney> http://www.mug.org/membership/
[02:13] <cmaloney> You can sign up online and have it auto-renew
[02:18] <Zimdale> There. Now I just need to actually go to the meet ups
[02:21] <cmaloney> Zimdale: Schweet!
[02:22] <cmaloney> Thank you!
[02:24] <cmaloney> Is that your real address?
[13:34] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:37] <brousch__> cmaloney: Only 1 hour/day?!
[13:38] <cmaloney> brousch__: That's at a minimum
[13:38] <brousch__> OK
[13:39] <rick_h> morning
[13:40] <shakes808> morning
[13:42] <notlikethesoup> morning
[13:48] <widox> morning
[13:49] <widox> cmaloney: good luck on the 100 day challenge, sounds like a good way to stay motivated :)
[13:49] <rick_h> woot woot
[13:49] <rick_h> what's on the docket for today?
[13:52] <cmaloney> Not sure. I was thinking of doing a simple RPN calculator
[13:54] <cmaloney> but trying to parse "3  3 + ." in JavaScript is fun
[13:54] <cmaloney> esp since '' == 0 which !isNaN
[14:09] <Zimdale> What is the 100 day challenge?
[14:17] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2017/05/31/100-day-programming-challenge/
[14:21] <Zimdale> hah cool
[17:33] <notlikethesoup> sounds like 100 days of git
[17:33] <notlikethesoup> (i didn't click it)
[17:36] <Zimdale> who wouldn't like 100 days of git?
[17:41] <cmaloney> bzr and mercurial
[17:42]  * greg-g misses bzr
[17:51] <notlikethesoup> rip bzr?
[18:22] <shakes808> if i add a mount to fstab, all i have to do is mount -a and it will remount all the fstab mounts including the one that I added, correct?  or do i have to do something else?
[18:32] <cmaloney> I think that's right, but there might be exceptions
[18:47] <greg-g> what's craig said
[18:51] <jrwren> noauto mount option, for example
[19:28] <cmaloney> ++
[22:10] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2017/06/01/day-1100-addendum/ <- fun with JS and function binding.


[01:00] <foxbuntu> superm1_: did you catch the digg post about the mythtv in a car?
[01:01] <superm1> i saw its headline
[01:01] <superm1> but didnt look at it yet
[01:02] <superm1> there have been people that have done it before
[01:02] <foxbuntu> its pretty sweet
[01:02] <superm1> with some elaborate video syncing setups
[01:02] <superm1> via wifi and such
[01:02] <foxbuntu> great idea...but...I am not about to hack up the dash of my lexus for his design
[01:02] <foxbuntu> ha
[01:02] <superm1> it was in a lexus?
[01:03] <foxbuntu> no, but it was a newer mazda 3
[01:04] <superm1> ah i see
[01:05] <superm1> later on tonight i'm going to hack together the start of my CD/flash drive frontend script
[01:06] <superm1> so that you can boot the cd up
[01:06] <superm1> and have a flash drive plugged in
[01:06] <superm1> with a small config file
[01:06] <foxbuntu> nice
[01:06] <superm1> which will mount nfs/samba for you, and connect to your backend
[01:06] <foxbuntu> yea...I got the great new this afternoon that my washer wasnt salvagable
[01:06] <superm1> eventually i want to expand it to be able to run the backend that way too - but thats a long way away
[01:07] <superm1> wish you had a discount on a new one now eh?
[01:07] <foxbuntu> so I had to drop 700 on a new one today
[01:07] <foxbuntu> yea
[01:07] <foxbuntu> would have been nice
[01:07] <superm1> well you didn't have to -  you could have just done them by hand :)
[01:16] <foxbuntu> sure sure
[01:16] <foxbuntu> you can come help then
[01:19] <foxbuntu> I am prob going to play wayyy too much Wii this weekend
[01:19] <foxbuntu> Kate went out of town to visit her friend Amy
[01:19] <superm1> haha
[01:19] <superm1> go get zelda
[01:19] <superm1> and play that for the weekend
[01:20] <foxbuntu> I already did
[01:20] <superm1> it will keep you busy
[01:20] <superm1> the first 1-2 hours is slow, but its hard to put down after that
[01:20] <foxbuntu> I have logged 5.5 hours into the game already
[01:20] <superm1> very good :)
[01:21] <foxbuntu> I just beat the boss of the Forest Temple this afternoon
[01:21] <superm1> 5.5 hours and thats it ? :)
[01:22] <foxbuntu> well I am a bit futher beond that tho
[01:22] <foxbuntu> beyond
[01:23] <superm1> maybe sometime this weekend i should revisit finishing my last side quest in it
[01:23] <foxbuntu> that was just the last major point
[01:23] <superm1> i've got some 45 or 55 hours logged in the game - and all major quests and all but one side quest done
[01:23] <foxbuntu> nice
[01:24] <foxbuntu> I only have a little ways to go then
[01:24] <foxbuntu> well I spent 15 mins beating supermario today too
[01:24] <foxbuntu> lol
[01:24] <superm1> ?
[01:24] <foxbuntu> the first one
[01:25] <foxbuntu> I beat the game in ~15 mins
[01:25] <superm1> ah
[01:25] <foxbuntu> which is a bit slow...it can be done in about 9
[01:26] <foxbuntu> but I am already almost a Wii bowling pro too
[01:26] <foxbuntu> only a few points to go
[01:26] <superm1> you sure are keeping busy with this thing
[01:26] <foxbuntu> yea...
[01:26] <foxbuntu> keeps me from doing work at night
[01:27] <foxbuntu> :)
[01:32] <foxbuntu> I need to get my Xbox on Ebay this weekend though
[02:00] <foxbuntu> superm1_: hey I am having problems all the sudden with buffer errors on my tuner
[02:00] <foxbuntu> and the video is choppy
[02:50] <superm1_> okay now i'm trying to debate what priority to make the question in the mythtv packaging regarding whether to listen on a public port or bind to localhost
[02:55] <superm1_> considering the convenience it can provide i think a default of no, but show both questions is best?
[03:34] <foxbuntu> I would phrase the question as Local host or public making localhost default and (Recommended for a single Machine)
[03:38] <superm1_> well i was actually rethinking it a bit
[03:38] <superm1_> perhaps something a little more user friendly wording wise
[03:38] <superm1_> asking if they are using other mythtv machines too
[03:38] <superm1_> or something to that effect
[03:38] <superm1_> rather than it being too technical
[03:54] <foxbuntu> that would probably be best
[04:16] <OpenMediaSupport> foxbuntu: What type of tuner have you got.
[04:17] <foxbuntu> 2 pvr-150 mce's
[04:17] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: Just done a clean install on a clean HD. Just need to confirm all of the hardware support
[04:17] <superm1_> how fast was it on real hardware to install?  I've only installed to a usb drive - so its hard to guage
[04:17] <OpenMediaSupport> Ok 	- cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[04:18] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_:  Good given the age of the driver - an old 10G Quantum
[04:18] <superm1_> awesome
[04:18] <OpenMediaSupport> Was it supposed to detect the bcop based DVB-S cards?
[04:19] <foxbuntu> viper@viper:~$ cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[04:19] <foxbuntu> 3533
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Also it wouldn't let me add in two IVTV based tuners.
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Put this in /etc/sysctl.conf
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> vm.min_free_kbytes=16384
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: I'd recommend putting this value on ALL myth boxes anyway.
[04:19] <OpenMediaSupport> Got a customer with two PVR-500 cards and we had to double that value when he runs it hard
[04:20] <superm1_> OpenMediaSupport, that hardware selection stuff for the tuners doesnt do anything yet either which way
[04:20] <superm1_> what does that value do?
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1_: Fine.
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> The value make sure that your min free memory is set to 16Meg
[04:20] <superm1_> there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be supported by the kernel -
[04:20] <superm1_> the dvb-s
[04:20] <superm1_> min free physical memory?
[04:20] <OpenMediaSupport> That way when the ivtv driver wants a new large block it should be readily available.
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Otherwise the time it takes to recover the blocks can mean frame drops
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Search ivtv + min_free_bytes for some refs
[04:21] <superm1_> oh very interesting
[04:21] <OpenMediaSupport> Want me to log in as a bug?
[04:22] <superm1_> well what are the repercussions of changing this?
[04:22] <superm1_> to someone with little ram already
[04:22] <foxbuntu> I hope its that simple..I have been fighting this off and on for a few weeks now
[04:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Define little ram. I wouldn't use Myth with less than 256
[04:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Also the new patches in fixes and trunk reduce the memory footprint thanks to the new icon/theme cache anyway
[04:23] <superm1_> oh thats great to hear -
[04:24] <superm1_> glad to be running on newer -fixes then :)
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> Just means less memory used as  "cached"
[04:24] <superm1_> well little ram being 384
[04:24] <superm1_> or 512
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> myPVR is 512
[04:24] <superm1_> okay and things are okay with it then -
[04:24] <OpenMediaSupport> Well actually less as some is reserved for video ram
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> Basically with IVTV cards you can't run without it.
[04:25] <superm1_> so why isn't this the default on installs?
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> Don't know.
[04:25] <OpenMediaSupport> I enable it on all customer boxes
[04:26] <superm1_> okay file a bug against mythbuntu then - i'll make sure its added into the build script
[04:26] <foxbuntu> no kidding...I even switched the cards around in the PCI slots last week trying to fix this
[04:26] <OpenMediaSupport> foxbuntu: you can change it on the fly without rebooting. You should be a lot better then.
[04:26] <foxbuntu> oh, well I gave the ol girl a reboot anyhow
[04:27] <foxbuntu> see MythTV and I get along, well, Kind of the same why my wife and I get along...stuck with her for life and shes always a pain in the ass
[04:28] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:28] <foxbuntu> but I sure do love them
[04:28] <foxbuntu> ;)
[04:29] <foxbuntu> man superm1_  wtf you gotta be 5 hours away for...this weekend would be a great weekend to go get stupid drunk
[04:30] <superm1_> foxbuntu, if you wanna drive up tomorrow your welcome :)
[04:30] <superm1_> i'm just working on ubiquity and autostart stuff all day
[04:30] <foxbuntu> that actually aint a half bad idea
[04:31] <superm1_> i dont think i'm 5 hours though from you
[04:31] <superm1_> maybe 3.5 or 4
[04:31] <superm1_> you can crash here for the night
[04:31] <superm1_> i've got an extra blow up mattress and a futon
[04:31] <foxbuntu> im me your addy
[04:44] <OpenMedia> man does firefox look odd with the default theme
[04:44] <superm1_> yea i noticed that too
[04:44] <superm1_> everything else looks good with it
[04:44] <OpenMedia> Also missing the initial ubuntu homepage
[04:44] <superm1_> right, eventually i was going to need to find a way to make the default mythbuntu.org
[04:44] <foxbuntu> there is a good firefox theme out there that would match up better
[04:44] <superm1_> but haven't looked aroudn yet
[04:44] <superm1_> foxbuntu, its the gtk theme that is making it look odd
[04:44] <superm1_> the one that you made based around blueheart
[04:44] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:44] <foxbuntu> yeah...there are some known issues with firefox and my theme
[04:44] <foxbuntu> I need to do more testing with it...but firefox handles GTK themes strange
[04:44] <foxbuntu> I think its becuase firefox was designed to be theme independant, having its own profiles and themes
[04:44] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:44] <OpenMedia> superm1_: whats the best way to report a mythbuntu bug ?
[04:44] <superm1_> through the bug tracker at http://launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[04:45] <OpenMedia> Ah i keep going to ~mythbuntu
[04:47] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu - want to mail me the kernel error you see for the buffer problem
[04:48] <foxbuntu> yeah...but Id have to break it again
[04:48] <foxbuntu> tv works great now
[04:48] <foxbuntu> :)
[04:48] <OpenMedia> No worries I'll find a referernce in the IVTV mailing list archive
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #124514 in mythbuntu "IVTV driver can run out of buffers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124514
[05:02] <superm1_> ah great.  thanks
[05:04] <OpenMedia> Don't worry there's more
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #124515 in mythbuntu "Default theme firefox issues" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124515
[05:22] <superm1_> keescook, you here?
[05:47] <OpenMedia> superm1_: you still around?
[05:47] <superm1_> yes
[05:47] <superm1_> chugging along on a few patches:)
[05:48] <OpenMedia> On  my old knoppmyth system I could modify the database in scripts by just doing
[05:48] <OpenMedia> mysql -u root mythconverg << EOF
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Now in mythbuntu I need to make sure I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:48] <OpenMedia> which is fine.
[05:48] <OpenMedia> Problem is when I run
[05:49] <OpenMedia> mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg
[05:49] <OpenMedia> I just get a bunch of help output rather than a DB session.
[05:49] <OpenMedia> So whats so different?
[05:56] <superm1_> let see
[05:57] <superm1_> what are you passing in other than the EOF?
[05:57] <superm1_> nothing?
[05:57] <superm1_> you should be getting your db session when you do that
[05:57] <OpenMedia> Well normally I could just do "mysql -u root mythconverg" for an interactive session
[05:57] <OpenMedia> In theory I should be able to do "mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg" but that doesn't work
[05:58] <superm1_> oh!
[05:58] <superm1_> you have to do it like this
[05:58] <superm1_> mysql -u mythtv -ppassword mythconverg
[05:58] <OpenMedia> Argh... Damn it..
[05:58] <superm1_> yea that bit me yesterday
[05:59] <OpenMedia> All of the myPVR smarts relied on -u root as that works on Knoppmyth. If I read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I can make them work on Knoppmyth and Ubuntu
[05:59] <superm1_> well you can do -u root still
[05:59] <superm1_> there is no password by default -
[05:59] <superm1_> but if you chose one during the mythbuntu install of course
[06:00] <superm1_> then just -p$PASSWORD
[06:00] <superm1_> in your scripts
[06:00] <OpenMedia> On knoppmyth root didn't have a DB password.
[06:00] <superm1_> then that command shouldn't have changed at all
[06:00] <OpenMedia> -u root won't work. Try it
[06:01] <superm1_> works fine
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Access denied
[06:01] <superm1_> just did it off the live cd
[06:01] <superm1_> did you set a password during install then?
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Ah.. Different on an install.
[06:01] <OpenMedia> Hmm.. Don't think so.
[06:01] <superm1_> you can reset it if you did via sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[06:02] <OpenMedia> Nope still get an EROR 1045
[06:02] <OpenMedia> sorry ERROR 1405
[06:03] <superm1_> when you reset it - you put in a new password?
[06:03] <superm1_> or left it blank
[06:03] <superm1_> blank just means "dont change it"
[06:04] <OpenMedia> Ok so how do you reset it to none?
[06:04] <superm1_> erk - login as root with a password
[06:04] <superm1_> and then issue this
[06:05] <superm1_> USE mysql;
[06:05] <superm1_> UPDATE user SET PASSWORD("") WHERE USER='root';
[06:05] <superm1_> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[06:06] <OpenMedia> Cheers
[06:06] <OpenMedia> UPDATE user SET PASSWORD="" where USER='root';
[06:07] <superm1_> yes
[06:07] <superm1_> my bad, typing from memory :)
[06:07] <OpenMedia> Know the feeling.
[06:08] <OpenMedia> I'll change my scripts over eventually, but setting a blank passwd will let me catch some of the bigger bugs
[06:08] <superm1_> right
[06:10] <OpenMedia> Cool. My openvpn support stuff just works.
[06:11] <OpenMedia> Been cleaning up my meta packages as I don't need some custom stuff that is already in Ubuntu like the ivtv firmware, and my custom ivtv-drivers
[06:11] <superm1_> ah openvpn support - cool way to do it
[06:11] <superm1_> you leave the openvpn port open on the box
[06:11] <superm1_> and then you can get in at will?
[06:12] <OpenMedia> I have management menus to enable/disable support via the MythTV menus
[06:12] <OpenMedia> Customer then has the control
[06:12] <superm1_> oh thats pretty sweet
[06:13] <superm1_> how do you handle getting through their router then?
[06:13] <OpenMedia> They connect to my VPN sandbox.
[06:13] <superm1_> ah that'd be it
[06:13] <superm1_> i've helped a few people over the web via a reverse port forward from them sshing into my box
[06:14] <OpenMedia> openvpn rocks.
[06:15] <superm1_> i used it on my router for a bit rather than WEP/WPA
[06:15] <superm1_> tunneled everything through openvpn
[06:15] <superm1_> but my router just dies when too much traffic is going through that
[06:17] <superm1_> its a weak little wrt54g
[06:19] <OpenMedia> Odd i've imported my signing key for packges, but it still says packages from my apt repository are unsigned.
[06:19] <superm1_> have to apt-get update
[06:19] <superm1_> after importing your key
[06:28] <OpenMedia> superm1_: you don't include mythrename.pl as standard.
[06:28] <superm1_> its in the contrib directory
[06:28] <superm1_> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[06:28] <superm1_> i think
[06:28] <OpenMedia> I've found I need a 'pretty' directory for samba exports or customers get confused.
[06:28] <OpenMedia> yeah there is a pl.gz
[06:28] <superm1_> i have one myself
[06:28] <superm1_> for the same reason, on the samba exports
[06:29] <superm1_> how frequently do you run it?
[06:30] <OpenMedia> every hour
[06:30] <superm1_> ah okay
[06:30] <OpenMedia> It in cron.hourly
[06:30] <superm1_> i've got mine set to every 5 minutes
[06:33] <OpenMedia> I have one customer ask if he could set the EPG grabber to run every minute so that he always had uptodate EPG data
[06:33] <superm1_> haha.  maybe EIT....
[06:33] <superm1_> but that would be it
[06:34] <OpenMedia> EIT data here updates about twice a day on average. He thought it would update live if the program was running late - typical consumer expectation of the technology
[06:36] <superm1_> ah yup
[06:42] <superm1_> laga, why is mythdvd missing from your trunk rules file?
[06:44] <superm1_> and also why is there two dh_installdebconf -i's
[06:44] <superm1_> shouldn't one be a -s
[06:51] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Any thoughts on enabling mythwelcome? We use it to make it easier to recover from a frontend crash
[06:51] <superm1_> OpenMedia, there actually should be support in that build for a very easy way to do it
[06:51] <superm1_> via a file in /etc/default
[06:51] <superm1_> let me check the exact name of it
[06:52] <superm1_> checkout /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[06:52] <superm1_> you uncomment that and log back into X
[06:52] <superm1_> and mythwelcome is used
[06:52] <OpenMedia> Sweet. I can live with that.
[07:03] <OpenMedia> Weird. One of my packages is exiting with an error 243 during post install, but I can cleanly run the post install script on its own
[07:04] <superm1_> use set -e ?
[07:04] <superm1_> in the top
[07:04] <superm1_> or #!/bin/sh -e
[07:08] <OpenMedia> Same error no additional output
[07:08] <superm1_> weird.
[07:08] <superm1_> what sort of things are you doing in there?
[07:09] <OpenMedia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28929/
[07:10] <superm1_> whats in the postinst?
[07:12] <OpenMedia> I think its the mythfilldatabase run.
[07:15] <OpenMedia> Yup that was it
[07:18] <OpenMedia> Sweet.. All good now
[07:18] <OpenMedia> I had no sources defined and the error from mythfilldatabase was propogating back
[07:18] <superm1_> ah
[07:26] <OpenMedia> Ok looking good. Damn good
[07:26] <superm1_> so a fairly painless run?
[07:27] <OpenMedia> Getting there. Some differences with sudoers and smb.conf that need looking at because of how our support scripts run.
[07:27] <foxbuntu> superm1_: my Wii bowling is up to 1255
[07:27] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:40] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Sweet.. The backported patches work. Watching MHEG-5 EPG on mythbuntu.
[07:40] <superm1_> awesome :)
[07:40] <OpenMedia> Even looks better. Must be some positioning bugs on the old Knoppmyth libraries.
[07:41] <superm1_> that checkout from 0.20-fixes is very recent
[07:41] <superm1_> within 1-2 weeks
[07:41] <superm1_> and i have a new one ready from tonight
[07:41] <superm1_> as soon as keescook is able to look it over and upload
[07:43] <OpenMedia> Ever seen  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28934/
[07:43] <superm1_> yes
[07:43] <superm1_> its because of a new glib
[07:43] <superm1_> it means that the application in question isn't following glib invocation rules
[07:44] <OpenMedia> fine
[07:44] <superm1_> there are dozens of bugs supported about them right now
[07:44] <superm1_> i'd anticipate by release they be sorted out though
[07:45] <superm1_> the only really "bad" one i know right now is VLC
[07:45] <OpenMedia> Cool Well i'm done for now.
[07:46] <OpenMedia> Need to set the box up to record Live Earth as its the only one with enough spare disk
[07:46] <superm1_> so mythbuntu is feasible then - no big show stopper stuff on your end ?
[07:49] <foxbuntu> OpenMediaSupport: thanks for the help earlier...my IVTV card seem much happier now
[07:50] <foxbuntu> actually...
[07:51] <foxbuntu> [ 5247.272000]  ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[07:51] <foxbuntu> [ 5247.272000]  ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[07:52] <foxbuntu> its not jumping tho
[07:54] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: Thats a know MythTV error that Hans moans about. Whats the load on your box like?
[07:54] <foxbuntu> average
[07:55] <foxbuntu> usually no more than 50-60% system util
[07:55] <OpenMedia> superm1_: Yeah looking good, no major show stoppers.
[07:55] <foxbuntu> it has a AMD AM2 3200+ and 768MB
[07:56] <foxbuntu> all sitting on sata
[07:56] <foxbuntu> and a video card that takes all the video output load
[07:56] <foxbuntu> a PCI-E NVidia 7900GT
[08:03] <foxbuntu> OpenMediaany ideas?
[08:07] <OpenMedia> Sorry not off hand. I'll have a think.
[08:08] <OpenMedia> Gotta bale guys. Catch you later
[08:08] <foxbuntu> later
[10:44] <laga> superm1__: thanks! :)
[01:50] <Nixus_Maximus> are there any germans in here who use the "tvmovie2vdr"-script to get epg-data?
[01:52] <laga> try #mythtv-de
[01:52] <Nixus_Maximus> thx
[01:52] <laga> and, uh, stop asking meta questionjs :)
[01:52] <laga> s/questionjs/questions/
[04:47] <rogue780> moooooooo
[05:05] <rogue780> superm1__, you there?
[05:06] <rogue780> I just tried the newest mythbuntu build on a pc that I've gotten mythbuntu to work on before....after I tell it to start mythbuntu, hangs for a while
[05:06] <rogue780> then a box pops up with "I/O error" "Error reading boot CD."
[05:07] <rogue780> and at the top I think it says "Loading isolinux: Disk error AA, AX =42AA, Drive DF" that last might be 0F..can't tell as the text is all grainy
[05:09] <rogue780> won't even let me check the cd for errors
[05:10] <rogue780> I guess this latest version of ubuntu is "no gutsy, no glory..."  I'm recording Live Earth which is scheduled as a single 22hr program here in NZ. With pre+post that makes it a single 24hr 75Gb recording. Just hope it works.
[05:36] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry rogue780 I meant bad CD drive - run a head cleaner or try a different driver
[05:36] <OpenMediaSupport> sorry drive.... some how driver kinda gets auto typed by my fingers at this time in the morning.
[06:02] <superm1__> laga, you here?
[06:02] <superm1__> OpenMediaSupport, know how you feel - i tab complete my thoughts all the time :)
[06:02] <rogue780> OpenMediaSupport, it's the same problem in two different computers with two different drives, both of which are under 1 year old
[06:04] <rogue780> although in my second computer I get "Disk error 80, AX = 4200 drive 9F"
[06:04] <superm1__> and the burn checks out as okay?
[06:04] <superm1__> in the boot menu?
[06:05] <rogue780> at first I thought it was still that SATA bug...but it won't even let me check the CD for defects
[06:05] <superm1> that sounds like a bad burn to me then
[06:05] <rogue780> I'm verifying MD5SUM AWS
[06:05] <superm1> can you burn it at a slower speed?
[06:06] <superm1> or to a different brand of media?
[06:07] <rogue780> I'll try slower speed
[06:07] <rogue780> 12X should be fine right?
[06:07] <superm1> well its all a matter of how good the media
[06:07] <superm1> is
[06:07] <superm1> if its cheapo media, then faster speeds are more apt to fail
[06:08] <rogue780> it's the cheapest the PX sells ;)
[06:08] <rogue780> I think I'll run it at 8x
[06:20] <laga> superm1: yes
[06:20] <superm1> laga, i've been messing a lot with your postinst
[06:21] <superm1> and i've got things to work now (with what appears to be a purge)
[06:21] <superm1> but its not exactly smart enough to disable the settings the second time around
[06:21] <superm1> if you dpkg-reconfigure mythweb
[06:21] <laga> disable what settings?
[06:21] <superm1> the htdigest
[06:21] <superm1> asking for password and such
[06:22] <laga> heh
[06:22] <rogue780> well I'll be damned.
[06:22] <laga> i've probably left in a purge somewhere
[06:22] <laga> let's see.
[06:22] <rogue780> it works!
[06:22] <laga> superm1: have you bzr pushed?
[06:22] <superm1> haha rogue780 great
[06:22] <superm1> laga, i'll push right now
[06:24] <laga> i've been busy with my xmltv grabber lately. today i used mythfilldatabase --file the first time on its ouput. it felt very good when it worked :)
[06:25] <superm1> was the xmltv grabber broke?
[06:25] <superm1> okay revno 14 should show where i'm at
[06:25] <superm1> and you can see what i've added
[06:26] <laga> ours tend to break often :) i'm writing a new one that'll use an XML data feed instead of screen scraping. you'll have to pay for the data, though
[06:27] <superm1> well we may start to feel your pain depending what happens in sept with TMS and Zap2It
[06:27] <laga> yup
[06:30] <laga> hum
[06:31] <superm1> i wasn't sure why you had that cp --remove-destination business
[06:31] <superm1> and a few other things
[06:31] <laga> that's probably just cruft :)
[06:35] <superm1> er actually that is starting to work now - i had a typo in sed
[06:35] <superm1> do the rest of the changes look sane though to you (given you wree running into lots of issues before)
[06:35] <laga> heh
[06:36] <laga> looks pretty good to me
[06:36] <laga> superm1: i usually run into a lot of issues because i'm not reading the documentation properly :)
[06:36] <laga> superm1: looks good
[06:36] <superm1> is there a reason you named mythweb.digest as so?
[06:36] <superm1> instaed of mythweb-digest
[06:36] <superm1> following the rest of the file names in that directory
[06:37] <laga> no reason
[06:37] <laga> i'll modify it here..
[06:37] <laga> superm1: do you reset username and password in the debconf database? AFAIK you're not suppose to leave sensitive information there
[06:38] <superm1> No i dont -
[06:38] <superm1> didn't know about that
[06:39] <laga> there was a rather embarrassing security 'hole' in ubuntu some time ago because some passwords were stored in debconf, AFAIK
[06:39] <superm1> well debconf passwords can only be read as root though
[06:39] <laga> i don't know if you have to remove them for web apps, though. you might want to talk to your favourite ubuntu master ;)
[06:40] <laga> really?
[06:40] <laga> nice
[06:40] <superm1> i thought so,
[06:40] <superm1> they are stored in /var/cache i think
[06:40] <superm1> in a passwords.dat
[06:40] <superm1> which is cleartext, but -rw-rw---- as root:root
[06:41] <laga> cool
[06:41] <laga> now i have to backport your changes to 'my' branch. gnaa :)
[06:41] <superm1> well wait till i'm done
[06:41] <superm1> i've still got a few rough edges i'm sorting
[06:41] <laga> thanks for doing that :)
[06:42] <superm1> but you should check out the changes on the mythtv-
[06:42] <superm1> branch
[06:42] <superm1> i've got some stuff to prefill the database
[06:42] <superm1> and change MasterServerIp and BackendServerIp
[06:42] <superm1> and check for ext3 file systems
[06:42] <superm1> during installation
[06:42] <laga> nice
[06:42] <superm1> it will have to be done a bit differently for trunk packaging - but its a nice change
[06:42] <laga> i'll try to track that in a few days
[06:43] <laga> i'd like to get this grabber in an usable state first and use my new playstation 2 a lot :)
[06:43] <superm1> your coding on your ps2?
[06:43] <laga> no
[06:44] <laga> it's more like.. playing games, you know? :)
[06:44] <superm1> oh haha
[06:44] <superm1> i read that completely wrong
[06:45] <laga> :)
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> superm1: is that Street or Ave. for your addy?
[06:51] <superm1> Street
[06:51] <superm1> it runs east west
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> ok
[06:51] <superm1> ave runs north south in the town
[06:51] <superm1> the town is broken into 4 quadrants
[06:51] <foxbuntu_> welll see you in 3 hours then
[06:51] <superm1> NW SW NE SE
[06:52] <superm1> you can easily mix them up
[06:52] <superm1> if you forgot to put NW in my address
[06:52] <superm1> when you gmapped it
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> im no using google maps
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> I have a gps
[06:52] <superm1> well same thing
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> yea
[06:52] <superm1> make sure you put the NW in the address
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> kk
[06:52] <superm1> ok cya
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> i am headed out the door right now
[06:52] <foxbuntu_> lata
[07:15] <rogue780> superm1, I may have found a bug w/the live cd
[07:15] <superm1> oh?
[07:16] <rogue780> when watching a recording that had about 7 minutes left when you started watching it, when you get to about 53 minutes it won't let you skip forward anymore
[07:16] <superm1> when in live cd mode?
[07:16] <superm1> or in install?
[07:16] <rogue780> live cd mode
[07:16] <rogue780> I haven't tried to install yet
[07:17] <superm1> well it should be the same either way though
[07:17] <superm1> its the same packages
[07:17] <superm1> matter of fact the same ones as in feisty
[07:17] <superm1> *gutsy
[07:18] <superm1> so you more likely hit some mythtv related bug
[07:19] <superm1> is this a digital recording?
[07:19] <superm1> or analogue
[07:20] <rogue780> analogue--it's from basic cable via a pvr-150
[07:25] <rogue780> XvMC works outta the box though. that's good
[07:33] <superm1> wow XvMC worked out of the box?
[07:33] <superm1> what kind of card?
[07:33] <superm1> intel?
[07:38] <rogue780> superm1, nvidia....I'm assuming it works since I turned it on and stuff played...is there another way to confirm this?
[07:39] <superm1> ah okay then i'm pretty sure it wouldnt have worked
[07:39] <superm1> it fell back to xv
[07:39] <superm1> the way to confirm would have been a b/w osd
[07:39] <superm1> the nvidia proprietary driver isn't activated on the live mode
[07:39] <superm1> just the open source variant
[07:40] <rogue780> ah
[07:41] <rogue780> firefox looks kinda goofy...the theme clashes with the titlebar
[07:43] <rogue780> afk
[07:46] <superm1> yea thats what OpenMediaSupport was saying too
[09:04] <laga> um
[09:05] <laga> does mythbuntu have special support for tv-outs? eg for pc-based set top boxen like the s100?
[09:08] <superm1> special support?
[09:08] <superm1> it configures either nvidia or fglrx drivers for tv out
[09:08] <superm1> if desired
[09:08] <laga> never mind, $someone got $something wrong
[09:09] <laga> well, there's a special intel driver called IEGD which supports some tv-out encoders (not open source)
[09:09] <superm1> okay well i think that the package is all done now, but as i do a test install both this and the last version are now showing css sheets
[09:09] <superm1> oh
[09:09] <laga> but i wouldn't worry about that for now
[09:09] <laga> css sheets?
[09:09] <superm1> as in no blue background, icons etc
[09:09] <superm1> no organized page
[09:10] <superm1> i wonder if it was just a fluke or what though.
[09:10] <laga> :(
[09:10] <superm1> i'll reboot the VM and try again i guess
[10:20] <perlmonkey> hi guys, could use some help
[10:20] <perlmonkey> I
[10:20] <perlmonkey> I'm having problems tuning my PVR150 card into terrestrial tv channels
[10:50] <rogue780> perlmonkey, what seems to be going on?
[10:50] <perlmonkey> hi rogue
[10:51] <rogue780> hello
[10:51] <perlmonkey> well Im trying to tune my card into tv stations but getting a bit confused
[10:51] <rogue780> first off, what country are you in?
[10:51] <perlmonkey> UK
[10:52] <perlmonkey> im sort of semi-experienced with mythtv so you wont need to spoon food me, i have setup 1 backend and 2 frontends already, but just not with terrestrial tv
[10:53] <perlmonkey> here is where I am now and what the problem looks like...
[10:53] <rogue780> ok...
[10:54] <perlmonkey> I installed a master backend, which has a PVR 150 card with terrestrial tv aeral going into the tuner, and I setup the UK tv source and clicked on scan for channels, its added a dozen or so channels (there are only 5 tv channels available for terrestrial analogue tv in UK) and when I try and watch live tv, the channels are not tuned properly, all sloppy pictures
[10:55] <perlmonkey> I dunno if I screwed up by doing "scan for channels"
[10:56] <perlmonkey> :-/
[10:57] <perlmonkey> when I setup a backend using my cable box on composite input I had no problems at all, it worked immediately
[10:57] <perlmonkey> never needed to scan for channels or anything
[10:58] <rogue780> ummm...lets just double check. in your setup you have the proper selection for UK broadcast selected...try manually adding channels? sorry I can't be much help...I use US cable and am not sure what could be the problem :-\ although I think this might be a better question for mythtv-users. Also, if you plug your antenna directly into your tv do you get better picture?
[10:58] <perlmonkey> but I'm thinking, since the tuner is being used now with an aeral, that's gotta be tuned up eh
[10:58] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:59] <perlmonkey> good question, I haven't tried to use the antenna in tv to verify the tv signal, I should really
[10:59] <perlmonkey> i know it worked some years ago before I got cable, but anything could of happened since then, maybe my antenna blew away ;-)
[11:00] <rogue780> brb
[11:03] <rogue780> ack
[11:03] <rogue780> back*
[11:08] <OpenMediaSupport> Morning :)
[11:08] <OpenMediaSupport> Upto 13.5 hours of Live Earth now.
[11:13] <perlmonkey>  wow
[11:13] <perlmonkey> you're recording it all?
[11:13] <rogue780> so...what's this live earth thing?
[11:13] <perlmonkey> the biggest concert ever
[11:14] <perlmonkey> to raise awareness and money for climate change
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> 22hrs of it
[11:14] <perlmonkey> haha
[11:14] <perlmonkey> Americans eh
[11:14] <perlmonkey> I recorded the 7hr Diana concert
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> Started in AU + JP and then worked it way around the globe
[11:14] <OpenMediaSupport> perlmonkey: we didn't get that live here in NZ
[11:15] <perlmonkey> :-/
[11:16] <rogue780> right...so a concert, which AFAIK is only known of in the UK and other "Britishesque" places is going to convince corporations not to outsource highly polluting manufacturing plants to third world countries? or convince us Americans, who waste so much more than the rest of the world, to stop wasting stuff?
[11:17] <OpenMediaSupport> Well it was organised by Al Gore
[11:17] <rogue780> and he is the very image of America...

[11:17] <rogue780> I'm not sure what the rest of the world thinks of Al Gore...but most people here think he's a dolt
[11:18] <perlmonkey> he's much respected and admired in Europe
[11:18] <perlmonkey> quite an intelligent chap, I saw an interview with him on the tv here
[11:19] <OpenMediaSupport> and the rest of the world thinks that Bush is a dolt.
[11:19] <OpenMediaSupport> or worse
[11:20] <rogue780> so was Charles de Gaulle (regarding European admiration and such)
[11:21] <perlmonkey> Bush is like a monkey that somehow rigged the election and got in as president
[11:21] <perlmonkey> just think if Al Gore was in now the world would be a much better place
[11:21] <OpenMediaSupport> anyhow recording a sing 24 hour program with MythTV should be an interesting stress test.
[11:21] <perlmonkey> yes indeed
[11:22] <perlmonkey> how much storage space do you have?
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> about 130Gb to start.
[11:22] <perlmonkey> phew
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> C4 here in NZ averages about 3Gb/Hr on their DVB-S feed
[11:22] <perlmonkey> what are you recording at per hour? less than 2gb?
[11:22] <OpenMediaSupport> so it will need around 75Gb
[11:22] <perlmonkey> woah
[11:23] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah they average around 6Mbit on their signal. so the quality is excellent for SD
[11:26] <rogue780> afk for a while


[19:15] <rolzSolar> if any one here is part of the dev team for gnome ubuntu 16.04, I was impressed how easy it was to upgrade from xubuntu14.04 from the live disk, and everything worked...just want to say thank you to any one who worked on this one...this is the best


[17:46] <mup> PR snapd#12744 opened: tets: avoid reboot in snap-confine-tmp-mount test <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12744>


[19:07] <ddstreet> o/
[19:07] <ddstreet> hmm i'm late but the only one here...
[19:09] <ddstreet> ok seeing as we definitely don't have quorum, as well as no items on the agenda, i think it's safe to call this week's DMB meeting skipped
[19:41] <teward> ddstreet: yep, no-op today :)


[15:36] <Unit193> https://ohiolinux.org/schedule/  getting pretty late if anyone is interested.  Puppet, Ansible, Docker, and Saltstack all listed. :P
[15:36] <jenni> [ Schedule - Ohio LinuxFest ] - https://bit.ly/2xgcvgK
[15:37] <Unit193> (And right on the heels of that would be https://freenode.live/, with the Debian project lead speaking as well as others.)


[01:51] <steffen123> hello, i'm trying to figure out the command to run to get the list of services started on boot. i've found the upstart docs and read everything that looked relevant to me but i still havent figured it out... any pointers would be appreciated
[01:52] <steffen123> this is on a ubuntu 11.04 headless server
[07:09] <SpamapS> steffen123: because of the parallelism and event based nature, its hard to say on a modern system what gets started...
[07:10] <SpamapS> steffen123: there is a visualization tool though, that will show you a graph of events -> jobs that helps
[07:16] <SpamapS> steffen123: its called 'initctl2dot'
[07:20] <SpamapS> steffen123: initctl2dot && dot -Tx11 upstart.dot    <-- will show you your system's "graph"
[10:20] <JanC> also, there isn't a fixed list of what services are started on boot, as that might well depend on external circumstances...
[10:23] <JanC> or if you look at it from a more narrow angle, only jobs with "start on startup" are started directly because you are booting, all the rest gets started because of other events  ;)
[12:02] <steffen123> ok thanks for the advise


[00:01] <LeoNerd> Meh.. shelve's Edit manually is all well and good but I've never managed to unshelve it without it leaving two levels of conflict markers in my file... :/
[18:58] <mightyiam> hi. i moved a whole bzr controlled directory and now when i do 'pull' i get 'error: not a branch'


[02:13] <TommyT> Crowded channel for chat night tonight!
[02:14] <TommyT> sadly ubuntulog2 isn't very "chatty"
[02:15] <TommyT> ChanServ has a lot to say, but shh... not publicly.


[14:04] <ubuntu> hi guys
[14:05] <Guest75679> can anyone assist me with dual boot problems
[14:06] <Guest75679> i have an ssd with win7 installed. i install ubuntu to dual boot. now i cant select OS on boot and it auto boots to ubuntu. I tried boot-repair...no luck
[14:06] <Guest75679> I tried with unetbootin to make a bootable usb with win7 iso file....but it wont boot