[00:00] <mneptok> "uk" being an acronym for "unprincipled kleptomaniacs"
[00:00] <mc44> shame it's not possible to send ritalin over irc. or horse tranquilisers
[00:00] <mneptok> or methylisocyanate
[00:01] <Seeker`> mc44: or just a punch in the face
 Gate: which is why we're quite tough on people leaking links, since it makes the process take even longer
[00:06] <PriceChild> *feels less bad about removes he's done woo*
[00:07] <Seeker`> PriceChild: you feel bad?
[00:18] <LjL> #ubuntu-meta is open for business. If you want to join, please read the guidelines at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel - whether you're an operator or not. Any questions about it in #metabot please, not #ubuntu-meta
[00:19] <mneptok>  /join #ubuntu-release-panties
[00:19] <Seeker`> heh
[00:19] <Seeker`> "My friend is having this problem..."
[00:20] <LjL> Seeker`: questions that were asked in other channels first. and i can spot an IP address. :)
[00:20] <Seeker`> LjL: was a joke
[00:20] <mc44> mneptok: is it out yet?
[00:21] <mneptok> mc44: my zipper's stuck
[00:25] <mc44> PriceChild: slangasek is an RM ;)
[00:27] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: woohoo, I think I'm up to 20 people who have left the desktop-effects team since you gave it to me
[00:27] <Amaranth> Makes it that much less painful when it goes away next week
[00:29] <PriceChild> mc44, if that's the worst mistake I make, I'll be happy.
[00:30] <rob> what is the story with #ubuntu-meta, since when did that exist?
[00:32] <LjL> rob: since a relatively long time, six months or so i think. it's my pet. it's time to make it official now i think, the topic said "EXPERIMENTAL" until a moment ago, and the guidelines weren't on the wiki... but the feedback on the ML was positive.
[00:33] <nalioth> which mailing list?
[00:33] <PriceChild> a couple of ircatwork.com's just joined -party..
[00:33] <rob> LjL, okay, sounds like an interesting experiment for this release ;) I assume you got the okay for it?
[00:34] <LjL> rob: it was in yesterday's ML, which all of the irc council replied to
[00:34] <LjL> nalioth: ubuntu-irc?
[00:34] <rob> LjL, what mailing list is this, I thought I was subscribed but haven't got an email from it in a while..
[00:35] <LjL> rob https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc
[00:35] <rob> thanks, I'll just resubscribe I think
[00:38] <rob> how do you figure out what your @ubuntu.com redirect email address is again?
[00:38] <LjL> uuuuuh
[00:38] <LjL> i think i've no idea
[00:38] <mc44> should be your launchpad ID I think
[00:39] <Daviey> it is
[00:39] <rob> so whatever ~name is, without the ~?
[00:39] <Daviey> Your LP email address... takes a few days to update
[00:39] <Daviey> rob: yup
[00:40] <rob> mine has been active for like a year or two now, just haven't used it in a while
[00:41] <rob> how can I take over the username of some inactive person?
[00:41] <Daviey> I "borrowed" someones wiki about me page, and redirected it to mine
[00:42] <rob> in launchpad?
[00:42] <Daviey> FirstLastname directs to my one firstlastname
[00:42] <Daviey> no, just wiki
[00:42] <Daviey> no idea about LP.. might be worth asking in #launchpad tho
[00:44]  * rob got shafted username wise when launchpad was integrated with the wiki
[00:45] <Amaranth> What happened to jp?
[00:45] <Amaranth> !jp
[00:45] <ubotu> 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
[00:45] <Amaranth> Maybe my fonts are just messed up, is anyone seeing any japanese there?
[00:45] <Seeker`> is ubotu lagging
[00:45] <Seeker`> Amaranth: works for me
[00:45] <PriceChild> Amaranth, i am
[00:45] <Amaranth> Ok, my fonts are broken apparently
[00:46] <Amaranth> Are you using gutsy? :)
[00:46] <Seeker`> yup
[00:46] <Amaranth> hrm
[00:46] <PriceChild> LjL, <w00tzilla> is known to us isn't he/
[00:46] <Amaranth> Yes
[00:46] <LjL> afraid so
[00:46] <Amaranth> ban on site :P
[00:46] <nalioth> PriceChild: where is he?
[00:46] <Seeker`> Amaranth: s/site/sight?
[00:46] <Seeker`> -release-party
[00:46] <LjL> nalioth: did you make sure it is the known troll?
[00:46] <nalioth> LjL: i never got a positive ID
[00:46] <Amaranth> Seeker`: I've been awake about 22 hours now :P
[00:47] <nalioth> but it is a troll, n'er'theless
[00:47] <Seeker`> Amaranth: ouch, why not go to bed?
[00:47] <Amaranth> trying to finish something
[00:47] <Amaranth> Probably would finish faster getting 6 hours of sleep and going at it again...
[00:47] <Seeker`> Amaranth: yeah
[00:48] <w00tzilla> I think I was confused with someone else.  Did not spam the bot.  Asked a legitimate question for the bot and got banned
[00:48] <Amaranth> Oh wait, wrong guy
[00:48] <Amaranth> PriceChild: My bad
[00:49] <Amaranth> There is a different guy with a similar nick that is ban on sight
[00:49] <Amaranth> w00tzilla: Don't use the bot in the channel unless you're telling someone something though, alright?
[00:49] <Amaranth> The bot is getting very lagged from all the activity so try not to use it at all
[00:49] <PriceChild> w00tzilla, didn't you see the abuse above, the repeated warnings, the +o's, the removes?
[00:49] <w00tzilla> oh.  I wanted to know what the official response was about it
[00:50] <w00tzilla> did not see it.
[00:50] <PriceChild> Amaranth, he's on the bantracker.
[00:50] <Amaranth> PriceChild: The one from -offtopic the other day
[00:50] <w00tzilla> wanted to know what the standing was with it
[00:50] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Dunno if you were here for that
[00:50] <Amaranth> I should probably remove that one now...
[00:50] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[00:51] <Amaranth> Oh someone else already unbanned him from offtopic
[00:52] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Alright to unban w00tzilla?
[00:52] <LjL> BarryDegeling: you won't be unbanned. you were kicked once as a warning, then you did it again. that's all there is to say.
[00:53] <PriceChild> Amaranth, if you're happy he'll behave :)
[00:53] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Other than being a bit 'passionate' about security he seems alright :)
[00:54] <Amaranth> But we won't get into that one ;)
[00:54] <Amaranth> w00tzilla: Free to enter #ubuntu-release-party (#ubuntu-offtopic too)
[00:54] <w00tzilla> I still want an applet but I will not talk about that here.  Worn out with that topic right now.  :)
[00:54] <w00tzilla> thx
[00:54] <BarryDegeling> I didn't 'do it again', the bot message said to type !Bot to get to know how the bot works, so I did, and then I get banned for following the bot?'
[00:54] <Amaranth> w00tzilla: It's on my TODO list (on the end but still)
[00:55] <w00tzilla> thx for unban
[00:55] <w00tzilla> leaving here if all is good?
[00:55] <Amaranth> Yep, was just going to ask you to do that :)
[00:55] <LjL> BarryDegeling: where did it say to type !bot?
[00:55] <PriceChild> w00tzilla, sounds good.
[00:56] <w00tzilla> unless you can tell me how to undo a possible accidental format on an external drive so I can get my files back
[00:56] <w00tzilla> =p
[00:56] <w00tzilla> leavin
[00:56] <Amaranth> w00tzilla: Act of $DEITY :P
[00:56] <Amaranth> d'oh
[00:56] <BarryDegeling> the bot said that, and later it told me to go to a webpage where I could 'look inside it's brains' , which showed me a page with keywords and reactiosn of the bot'
[00:56] <BarryDegeling> *reactions
[00:56] <BarryDegeling> http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:56] <LjL> BarryDegeling: it certainly did tell you to use it in a *private message*
[00:56] <LjL> !botabuse
[00:56] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[00:57] <BarryDegeling> that one
[00:57] <Amaranth> Why does the #ubuntu topic tell you to ask "when is it out?" in #ubuntu-release-party when we yell at people for that?
[00:57] <LjL> BarryDegeling: which part isn't clear about "investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots"?
[00:57] <PriceChild> BarryDegeling, what does the first sentence say?
[00:57] <BarryDegeling> (see also !Bot)
[00:57] <PriceChild> BarryDegeling, before that.
[00:57] <LjL> Amaranth: you can yell at them, i just don't want that question in #ubuntu
[00:57] <PriceChild> Amaranth, so we don't have to yell as much in #ubuntu? Change it I guess? :)
[00:58] <BarryDegeling> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot) is the first sentence :P
[00:58] <PriceChild> BarryDegeling, so what does that first line mean....?
[00:58] <LjL> BarryDegeling: yes - see !bot *in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots*
[00:58] <BarryDegeling> no, see >also< !Bot
[00:58] <LjL> jesus christ
[00:59] <BarryDegeling> BarryDegeling will suffice :)
[00:59] <LjL> !no botabuse is <reply> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[00:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[00:59] <Amaranth> Obvious troll...
[00:59] <Amaranth> He got what he wanted, you got frustrated
[01:00] <LjL> oh, i was frustrated enough before, he didn't add much.
[01:00] <LjL> but anyway - ircatwork.... hmmmmm
[01:31] <nixternal> PriceChild: hahahaha, shhhh!
[01:31] <PriceChild> k
[01:31] <nixternal> I do it every release :)
[01:31] <nixternal> nobody is falling for it this time though
[01:32] <Jucato> nixternal has a death wish :)
[01:32] <nixternal> gahahahaha
[01:32] <nixternal> like that, we are waiting for a fix from Gentoo
[01:32] <Seeker`> you should give out a (fake) domain name for a "seed server", and tell people that they can ping it to check whether the seeding servers are back up
[01:32] <mneptok> better yet? DON'T DISCUSS OUR RELEASE PROCEDURES
[01:33] <nixternal> jeesh, I could be a great troll
[01:33] <mc44> zomg release prodcedures are secretz
[01:33] <nixternal> hehe
[01:33] <Seeker`> is it canonical or community people that do the last few hours of work for the release?
[01:33] <LjL> nixternal: and what about the MS IIS server problems?
[01:33] <nixternal> LjL: classic!
[01:34] <mneptok> Seeker`: Canonical
[01:34] <Seeker`> mneptok: I'm guessing that as most of Canonical is based in the UK, they wont actually start doing still till 9am tomororw?
[01:35] <mneptok> Seeker`: feel free to guess whatever you please :)
[01:35] <Seeker`> s/still/stuff
[01:37] <mc44> thanks to the magic of the interwebs they could release at any point I suspect, however I think they'll want elmo to be awake ;)
[01:38] <Seeker`> elmo?
[01:39] <mc44> the muppet
[01:40] <Seeker`> ?
[01:40] <mc44> exactly
[01:41] <Seeker`> I give up
[01:41] <Seeker`> time for bed, have fun wit hthe overexcited people
[01:41] <Seeker`> night
[01:42] <nixternal> haha
[01:42] <nixternal> g'nite Seeker`
[01:44] <nixternal> ahh, nothing like someone using teh`pensi for a nick...read between the lines and get um!
[01:46] <LjL> oh come on and release the damn thing, these people are irritating :P
[01:47] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[01:47] <nixternal> if only we could exploit a server, upload a bogus .iso, and tell everyone it is out
[01:47] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[01:47] <nixternal> we would bomb that server
[01:48] <nixternal> haha, I get it..I remember with Feisty they got a hold of the torrents and what not...I remember telling people those were broken and they were wasting their time...made a lot of people mad because they actually quit downloading it :)
[01:51] <LjL> nixternal: look now
[01:51] <nixternal> gahahaha
[01:51] <nixternal> or a river!!!
[01:52] <nixternal> omg, I wonder how many "monkeys" will look
[01:52] <LjL> here's one
[01:52] <LjL> i was highlighted by "damn you", so i guess it's one :P
[01:52] <nixternal> my god I am such a troll
[01:52] <nixternal> hahahaha
[01:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-release-party, Cryoniq said: !Microsoft is evil?
[01:56] <nixternal> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/7.10
[01:56] <nixternal> booyah!
[01:57] <nixternal> I wouldn't do that to Ken though, he would get mad at me if I had a bunch of people hit his server at once
[02:04] <LjL> nixternal: i'll do another innocent one
[02:04] <nixternal> hehe
[02:04] <nixternal> you know we are bored as hell when the ops start trolling
[02:04] <LjL> nah, i always troll.
[02:04] <nixternal> hahah, hit um with the drake
[02:05] <mc44> Set a good example! Honestly...  You'd think a new version was coming out, or something. :)
[02:20] <nalioth> Madpilot: it's been over 1200 in #ubuntu for a few weeks now
[02:21] <Seeker`> Madpilot: Was up to 1337 in #u earlier
[02:21] <Madpilot> shows how long it's been since I spent serious time in #u, I guess
[02:21] <Madpilot> 1337 is a good number
[02:21] <Madpilot> we should add bots and/or kick to keep the population at 1337 :)
[02:21] <LjL> already proposed.
[02:22] <Madpilot> then I'll second the proposal
[02:23] <nixternal> haha
[02:23] <nixternal> I will third the proposal
[02:23] <nixternal> isn't that a majority?
[02:23] <LjL> nixternal: dunno, ask the other 1334
[02:23] <Vorian> unclesam can do it
[02:24] <mneptok> i have a screenshot you can stare at if you need to see 1337
[02:24] <Vorian> wait
[02:24]  * mneptok goes to get that on peopel.u.c
[02:32] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/1337.png
[02:34] <Seeker`> woo! irssi!
[02:34] <LjL> mneptok: but you should take it at 13:37.
[02:37] <LjL> what's funny is that #ubuntu is incredibly silent
[02:37] <Seeker`> everyone is in -party
[02:38] <Seeker`> LjL: you still kicking for "potential" links?
[02:38] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm getting a bit tired of it... anyway he said "the final release will be the same", which is true
[02:39] <LjL> won't stop them from stating that the final release will be the same as the latest daily - i really couldn't deny it's true with a straight face
[02:39] <jdong> LjL: NO! it's.... not...... the release has.... .surprises....
[02:39] <jdong> so cancel all your downloads!
[02:39] <jdong> (boy this sounds familiar)
[02:40] <LjL> sooooo
[02:40] <LjL> telling people to sudo rm -rf / might sound like fun
[02:40] <LjL> but it isnät
[02:40] <mneptok> uhhh ...
[02:40] <mneptok> today's daily is not definitively the release
[02:41] <jdong> mneptok: the .pool/ ones are definite.... are they different from today's daily?
[02:42] <Seeker`> mneptok: odds are that it either will be, or that there will only be a few minor changes
[02:42] <mneptok> jdong: no, they are not
[02:42] <jdong> mneptok: did something happen within the past 4 hours?
[02:43] <nalioth> mneptok: something just happend DARN too fast, it was
[02:43] <mneptok> 18:16 < slangasek> something could still turn up broken in the next 14h and demand a reroll of one or more images.
[02:44] <nalioth> i don't see any differences in rerolled images.  i've not had any updates on my gutsy box in 2 days
[02:44] <mneptok> *sigh*
[02:44] <jdong> the chances of that seem extremely slim though....
[02:44] <mneptok> < sabdfl> cjwatson: the daily build has broken my ALSA capabilities with this new Intel series audio chipset. can we get a re-rolled kernel without delaying release? if it means a delay, so be it. this is a popular chipset in Santa Rosa machines.
[02:44] <jdong> oh crap
[02:44] <jdong> mark has b roken hardware!
[02:45] <Pici> Well, he is the sabdfl
[02:45] <mneptok> now, i happened to completely invent that (how do YOU like being trolled?). but is my point clear?
[02:45] <jdong> mneptok: nice :)
[02:45] <LjL> mneptok: it's not like we didn't know you see
[02:45] <Pici> mneptok: blarg
[02:45]  * Pici didnt know :(
[02:45] <Pici> I just got here.
[02:45] <LjL> Pici, didn't know *he was trolling us*.
[02:45] <PriceChild> wait.... so that was a joke?
[02:45] <mneptok> one last time. nothing is official until announced.
[02:45] <jdong> mneptok: that's as mean as my tricks :)
[02:46] <Pici> LjL: Well, not any more than usual
[02:46] <jdong> "Hey! Nvidia just open sourced theri driver!"
[02:46] <mneptok> Pici++ :)
[02:46] <LjL> ok, who can come up with another fake "gutsy is out" announcement? i'm out of ideas.,
[02:46] <jdong> LjL: can you redir releases.ubuntu.com to goatse?
[02:47] <LjL> afraid not
[02:47] <mneptok> if you want Gutsy final ASAP, get the -current nad then rsync against it after release
[02:47] <mneptok> *and
[02:47] <LjL> let's restrict the field to servers i have control on
[02:47] <Pici> LjL: how many is that?
[02:47] <LjL> Pici: one, but with NAT. zero, visible on the internet.
[02:48] <Pici> You arent making this very easy.
[02:48] <LjL> heck even ljl.byethost14.com is down
[02:48]  * Seeker` has a virtual server somewhere in the US
[02:49] <LjL> mneptok: who said we do? *i* would just like all those people to stop being boring.
[02:49] <mneptok> i have root access to the GNOME infrastructure. how about a "GNOME Denies Future Use In Ubuntu Due To Abuse Of Commit Privileges?"
[02:49] <mneptok> and then we blame Hobbsee
[02:50] <PriceChild> rofl
[02:50] <LjL> mneptok: i somehow doubt that hobbsee also has root access to the GNOME infrastructure, whatever that is
[02:50] <Seeker`> "Netcraft confirms that Gutsy Gibbon has been delayed by a week"
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Do I really still own -r-p?  :P
[02:50] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, yup
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> (silly you, thinking you're periods in the middle of nicks would thwart my hilights)
[02:51] <LjL> tonyyarusso: then mlock +m for goodness sake :P
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> LjL: haha
[02:52] <Seeker`> LjL: What was that for?
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: It looks like I pretty much aggregated the access lists for #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu - let me know if it needs to be changed at all
[02:52] <LjL> Seeker`: for the same reason as this
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> (plus a few choice Canonical/dev folks)
[02:54] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:55] <nalioth> you guys DO realize ubotu is major lagged right?
[02:55] <LjL> ... yeah, and we can do what about it?
[02:55] <Pici> Only becuase stupid people in #ubuntu are abusing it
[02:58] <Pici> Seeker`: How was your trip?
[02:58] <Seeker`> Pici: meh
[02:59] <Seeker`> I was only in #windows for long enough for the name list to appear
[03:01] <nzero> hey, unban me
[03:01] <PriceChild> They're saying its out.
[03:01] <PriceChild> nzero, please?
[03:01] <Madpilot> from where, and why did you get banned?
[03:02] <PriceChild> (ubuntu.com just changed people ;) )
[03:02] <nzero> ?
[03:02] <PriceChild> (download pages didn't though)
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Who's they?
[03:02] <Madpilot> nzero, why are you banned, and from which channel?
[03:02] <nzero> umm lots
[03:03] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, party
[03:03] <Vorian> holy cow
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: ah, of course - they'll do that for another 10 hours :)
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download still has 7.04 of course
[03:03] <Vorian> that was like a shark frenzy
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> Vorian: it gets worse
[03:03] <Vorian> lol
[03:03] <nzero> !dvd
[03:03] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:04] <Vorian> tonyyarusso, did you hear about your interview?
[03:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell nzero about message the bot
[03:04] <Seeker`> You'd think there was a £1,000,000 prize for the first person to install gutsy
[03:04] <nzero> ?
[03:04] <tonyyarusso> Vorian: Guy ran out of time for the day :(  At least I know who to contact next time, and can do so more than one day in advance.
[03:04] <nalioth> nzero: check your PMs, please
[03:04] <nalioth> this is not a support channel
[03:04] <Madpilot> Seeker`, you mean there ISN'T?
[03:04] <Vorian> tonyyarusso, maybe next time
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[03:05] <Vorian> still very cool though
[03:05] <Seeker`> shall I tell party there is? :P
[03:05] <nzero> he doesn't know about himself
[03:05] <nzero> wtf naolisth
[03:06] <LjL> PriceChild: we know it changed, but tonyyarusso said it doesn't matter. he also said that if ISO appear, they don't matter. i suspect that we'll never really know if it's released :P
[03:06] <rob> what is up with ubuntu.com?
[03:06] <LjL> rob: oh they just put some flash gifs on
[03:07] <PriceChild> LjL, I think it being released, is when it comes through the ML
[03:07] <PriceChild> even if everything else happens first.
[03:07] <rob> oh, the main page is saying it is released now
[03:07] <Seeker`> schrodinger's ISO, you dont know whether its gutsy or not until you install
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> LjL: (Hobbsee will likely come in and tell us, I'd imagine, or someone else like that)
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> Last time it was Mithrandir
[03:08] <rob> have a look :)
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> rob: That doesn't say it's released - it just says what it's called ;)
[03:09] <Pici> rob: Some of the other pages, like the download and release notes pages are either unfinished or not working properly
[03:09] <rob> ouch
[03:09] <nzero> unban so i can go to a support
[03:10] <rob> well the front page is saying that at least
[03:10] <nalioth> nzero: you've been in here constantly demanding to be unbanned
[03:10] <Seeker`> nzero: I suspect that "please" would hlep
[03:10] <PriceChild> nzero, should have thought about that before you got yoruself banned everywhere. The bans will not be lifted at this tiem.
[03:10] <nalioth> nzero: the ban will come off in their appropriate times
[03:10] <nzero> the ban will come off when a new IP sets in
[03:10] <nzero> still
[03:10] <LjL> nzero: look up, a bird!
[03:11] <nalioth> nzero: well, why don't you run along and plot what you'll do when that happens
[03:11] <Seeker`> the front page pic keeps on failing to load for me
[03:11] <Seeker`> i guess the server is taking a bit of a beating
[03:11] <rob> refresh
[03:11] <LjL> rob: exactly.
[03:12] <Seeker`> rob: thats the problem - everyone sits there hammering F5 to see if it has been released
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> There should be some sort of throttle control (fail2ban?) that prevents that and punishes over-eager refreshers :)
[03:13] <Seeker`> there should be a spring loaded boxing glove built in to computer monitors
[03:13] <LjL> tonyyarusso: erm, my IP address is shared with some hundred other people. i wouldn't particularly appreciate that :)
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Work?
[03:13] <LjL> tonyyarusso: braindead ISP
[03:14] <jdong> Seeker`: meh AJAX does it every 0.1s anyway ;-)
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> what?
[03:14]  * tonyyarusso is confused
[03:14] <LjL> tonyyarusso: NAT
[03:14] <Seeker`> my ISP cant work out whether a domain is on a list or not
[03:14] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'm in my ISP's so-called metropolitan area network.
[03:15] <Seeker`> they blacklisted my domain because it was on some companies list. Their "Senior engineers" had a look, and managed to work out that it wasn't on the list.
[03:15] <jdong> haha. LjL's in his ISP's man.
[03:16] <jdong> haha.
[03:16] <Seeker`> I'm in ur ISPs?
[03:17] <LjL> jdong: the IP that my network card has actually belongs to the US army.
[03:17] <LjL> or something, anyway.
[03:17] <jdong> interesting
[03:18] <LjL> inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:18] <rob> sorry, got pulled away on a phone call then. The web site is saying that it is out, but the download page is waiting for an update when I last checked.
[03:19] <rob> I'm sure though if you know of a mirror it might already be there I guess.
[03:19] <LjL> well, i'm not gutsy, but i'm out
[03:19] <LjL> night
[03:19] <Seeker`> rob: They are probably rolling out the changes to the front end while they still have some bandwidth
[03:22] <Pici> Yes. the 7.10 release notes page is up, but no live link to it currently: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> LjL: good call.  Turning on the kick-on-links switch.
[03:25] <LjL> nah, i just wanted to kick someone before going to bed
[03:25] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[03:26] <Seeker`> right, time for sleep, as i have to be up in 4 hours
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> %login
[03:30] <ubotu> OK
[03:30] <Pici> OK
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> !f5 is <reply> Remember that every time you hit refresh, Canonical is wasting money, bandwidth, and CPU time serving your request instead of doing useful things like uploading the image or paying for ShipIt disks.  Please do so sparingly.
[03:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> !links
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about links - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> !links is <reply> Do NOT post links to Gutsy ISO files before an official release announcement is made.  These files are not the final release and will cause confusion.  Do so will get your removed from the channel.
[03:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[03:32] <Pici> !links =~ s/your/you
[03:32] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !links =~ s/your/you
[03:33] <Pici> blah
[03:33] <Pici> %login
[03:33] <ubotu> OK
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> nice catch
[03:33] <Pici> fixed
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> ty
[03:33] <Vorian> nice
[03:34] <jdong> s/your/your linux-leaking ass/
[03:34] <Pici> eww
[03:34] <jdong> Pici: it has open source.
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> !refresh is <alias> f5
[03:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> !website is <reply> Yes, the www.ubuntu.com web site will be changing throughout the day as the webmasters prepare it for Gutsy release.  This is NOT in any way an indication that the release has happened.  See also !f5
[03:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[03:36] <PriceChild> !links =~ s/Do so/Doing so/
[03:36] <Pici> another good catch
[03:36] <PriceChild> that not work? :/
[03:36] <PriceChild> !login
[03:36] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, PriceChild said: !links =~ s/Do so/Doing so/
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <PriceChild> @login
[03:36] <ubotu> OK
[03:36] <PriceChild> !links =~ s/Do so/Doing so/
[03:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[03:36] <rob> actually, speaking of getting ready for launch (sorry, another phone call), isn't it about time #ubuntu+1 is forwarded now that utc is into the release day?
[03:36] <nalioth> mmmmm botspam
[03:37] <nalioth> rob: we can forward it at the end of the day
[03:37]  * rob curses the people with inactive launchpad accounts who are using his username :(
[03:37] <Pici> Who could be named rob?
[03:37] <rob> nalioth, then it will be half over :)
[03:38] <nalioth> ok, #ubuntu+1 is now +i'd
[03:39] <rob> at least one only registered his account back in 05 to submit one bug and hasn't really used it since
[03:39] <rob> nalioth, righto, but that will just reject them
[03:39] <rob> oh it was already +f, my bad
[03:40] <jdong> rob: tried poking #launchpad to deactivate the account?
[03:40] <rob> jdong, yes, the guy from canonical said both had confirmed their email addresses so I have to talk to them to ask if they will give me one of their account, and we all know how unlikely that will be
[03:41]  * rob just wants his @ubuntu.com email address to match everything else :(
[03:41] <jdong> aww :(
[03:41] <Madpilot><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:P
[03:41] <rob> BOOHOO!
[03:41] <jdong> well you have the one and only rob on freenode, so shouldn't you be counting your lucky stars already? :)
[03:41] <rob> I have it on oftc too :)
[03:42] <rob> in fact I have it everywhere where I want it, except that dam forwarder :(
[03:42] <rob> bah even roberto is gone :(
[03:43]  * rob chucks a sad, picks up his ball and goes home
[03:46] <Pici> where is +1 forwarding to? u-r-p?
[03:46] <rob> #ubuntu
[03:46] <Pici> hrm.
[03:46] <nalioth> Pici: standard procedure until the repos for hardy open
[03:47] <Pici> Well, I dont think anyone in #ubuntu knows that, because they are still telling people to go +1 for support.
[03:47] <nalioth> so start supporting them  :)
[03:47] <rob> yeah!
[03:47] <rob> heh infinite loop
[03:47] <nalioth> gutsy is here
[03:48]  * rob claims robii on launchpad
[03:48] <nalioth> iiiiiiii
[03:49] <Flannel> Anyone know why #ubuntu+1 forwards to #ubuntu? (where the topic says to go to #ubuntu+1)?
[03:49] <jdong> hah , just done :)
[03:49] <nalioth> Flannel: gutsy is here
[03:49] <nalioth> Flannel: welcome it
[03:50] <Pici> nalioth: where is it out?
[03:50] <nalioth> topic in #ubuntu has been fixed
[03:50] <jdong> Pici: just because it's UTC...
[03:50] <jdong> not actually "out" per se
[03:50] <Pici> ...
[03:50] <nalioth> Pici: as i keep repeating myself, i've not had any updates in 48 hours
[03:50] <jdong> Pici: sabdfl's sound card is broken, remember? :D
[03:50] <jdong> ROFL
[03:50] <nalioth> so, for all intents and purposes, it's out.
[03:50] <Pici> :p
[03:50] <nalioth> iso images may not be available yet
[03:51] <Flannel> nalioth: That's not really out then, now is it?
[03:51] <nalioth> Flannel: isos exist on some servers
[03:51] <Pici> !links
[03:51] <ubotu> Do NOT post links to Gutsy ISO files before an official release announcement is made.  These files are not the final release and will cause confusion.  Doing so will get you removed from the channel.
[03:52] <rob> yes, but if you look at the front page of ubuntu.com it says it is out, so that's really good enough to download it from the mirrors I think
[03:54] <mneptok> rob: where does it say that?
[03:55]  * jdong also tries to find that
[03:55] <Pici> hm
[03:55] <jdong> off-by-one :)
[03:55] <rob> I am looking at it right now
[03:55] <Pici> They just changed it
[03:56] <jdong> hardlinked to http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/optimized/710countdown_1days.png
[03:56] <jdong> the code layout has changed
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> ah, nice
[03:56] <Pici> It looked different a few minutes ago
[03:56] <jdong> looks like they caught the bug
[04:03]  * Pici goes to sleep
[04:03] <Pici> u-r-p is getting a bit rowdy fyi :)
[04:03] <rob> ubuntu.com reverted, but if you are utc + it says 00 days to go :)
[04:04] <rob> I think if that channel goes too nuts, as it is just a discussion channel, +m it and voice people eventually
[04:04]  * jdong sets date to Dec 31 2099 to see Ubuntu versioning Y2k bug :D
[04:05] <Madpilot> edging back up to 1337 in #u
[04:06] <rob> mind you I'd rather people be going nuts in #ubuntu-release-party then in #ubuntu
[04:07] <Vorian> 1337 users in #ubuntu
[04:07] <Madpilot> screenshotted
[04:07] <Madpilot> just because
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> I wish irssi displayed a live user count in the status bar
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> I'm sure there's a script to that effect
[04:07] <Vorian> :)
[04:07] <jdong> we hit 1337 in ubuntu again
[04:08] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, use a real irc client. x isn't new scary tech anymore, you know. </troll>
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: The very thought of Xchat with 50 tabs terrifies me
[04:08] <jdong> how would you access xchat remotely? :D
[04:09] <Vorian> that's why you use the tree
[04:09] <jdong> Vorian: look al gore, go win yourself a nobel prize :P
[04:09] <rob> bah, XCHAT DOES NOT USE TABS BY DEFAULT ANY MORE!!
[04:09]  * Vorian flies jdong around in his personal jet
[04:09]  * rob kicks everyone who says that from now on in the shins
[04:09] <Vorian> *victory laps*
[04:10] <jdong> xchat uses Aero and WGA by default.
[04:10]  * jdong ducks
[04:10] <Vorian> haha
[04:10] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/1337.png
[04:11] <jdong> random odd question of the day:
[04:11] <Madpilot> rob, xchat, or xchat-gnome? -gnome is the abortion terrible version, xchat is still pretty sane
[04:11] <mneptok> ^^ Madpilot ^^
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: name of the script?
[04:11] <jdong> how do klines show up to the client? Does it just look like you disconnected from the network?
[04:11] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: lemme check
[04:11] <rob> Madpilot, xchat, -gnome is like the gnome-ifed version of anything, dumbed down until it is completely useless
[04:12] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/usercount.pl
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: ty
[04:13] <Madpilot> rob, only true of a few Gnome apps, IMO. screensaver and xchat-gnome being the worst offenders...
[04:14] <rob> Madpilot, I find myself having to dig into gconf2 a lot
[04:14] <rob> gedit becomes much more useful for example if you turn some things on in gconf
[04:15] <mneptok> here's the URL to give to the impatient:
[04:15] <mneptok> http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/releases.ubuntu.com/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[04:16] <rob> huh?
[04:16] <mneptok> exactly :)
[04:16] <rob> yep, I see
[04:16] <rob> heh
[04:16] <jdong> can't we just give them download.opensuse.org?
[04:16] <mneptok> jdong: most people don't want Windows
[04:16] <mneptok> *rimshot*
[04:17] <jdong> nice :)
[04:17] <mneptok> 22:06 <@mneptok> i come off as a gruff, inconsiderate asshole. but really i'm just an asshole. :)
[04:18] <rob> err mneptok, the gutsy folder only contains release candidates
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: err, how do I run it now?
[04:20] <mneptok> can't remember
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> hrm
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> (the directions in the file don't work)
[04:20] <mneptok>  /load usercount.pl ?
[04:20] <mneptok> sec
[04:21] <HugLeo> Hello,
[04:21] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: add this line to your config for the statusbar
[04:21] <mneptok> usercount = { };
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: does it matter where?
[04:22] <mneptok> only for the layout
[04:23] <mneptok> e.g. for the config you see in my client:

[04:23] <mneptok>         user = { };
[04:23] <mneptok>         window = { };
[04:23] <mneptok>         usercount = { };
[04:23] <mneptok>         window_empty = { };

[04:23] <HugLeo> please, anybody join in the #ubuntu-release-party channel and moderate
[04:23] <mneptok> ok, heading home
[04:23] <mneptok> back in 30 or so
[04:26] <rob> we are almost at 1337 again in #ubuntu
[04:26] <rob> :)
[04:27] <HugLeo> :)
[04:27] <Vorian> can someone kick <Renan_Gutsy> from -party
[04:27] <Vorian> :)
[04:28] <nalioth> i'm gonna add all ubuntu members to the access list of #u-r-p
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> seems sane
[04:29] <nalioth> Vorian: now you can do your own moderating
[04:29] <rob> actually #ubuntu is starting to go nuts, lots of people joining
[04:29] <Vorian> ty nalioth
[04:35] <rob> nalioth, are you wanting to go to bed? I will be on irc until and a bit after release (apart from 15 when I pick up my kids from daycare)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> it's released when the mail hits ubuntu-announce.
[04:36] <nalioth> rob: i think we're already in release-mode-frenzy
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, I'll watch that.  ty
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mneptok: don't say crack, please.
[04:37] <rob> yes, I realise I will be on irc for quite a while :)
[04:37] <jdong> wow #ubuntu is frenzy
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mneptok: uh, where was that?  (@sabdfl)
[04:37]  * Hobbsee doubts he's telling the truth
[04:37] <Hobbsee> bah.
[04:38]  * Hobbsee thwacks mneptok
[04:39] <Madpilot> the long pointy stick isn't in here - what're you hitting him with?
[04:42] <jdong> Hobbsee: rofl late for the joke :)
[04:42] <jdong> Hobbsee: did you hear that Nvidia just GPL3'ed all their drivers?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:43] <rob> o_o
[04:43]  * Hobbsee read backscroll
[04:43] <jdong> haha
[04:45] <cdm10> Did my edit request get forwarded?
[04:45] <rob> for ubotu?
[04:46] <cdm10> yup
[04:46] <rob> what was it? (I haven't seen it yet)
[04:46] <cdm10> eh, hold on a sec
[04:46] <Madpilot> doesn't seem to have been forwarded - bot's been lagged, though
[04:46] <cdm10> !gutsyrelease is <REPLY> Gutsy will be released in the next 24 hours, but we don't know exactly when. However, this channel is still a support channel, so please direct all release-related messages to #ubuntu-release-party and other stuff to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:47] <rob> do we have something like that already?
[04:47] <jdong> it's in /topic
[04:47] <rob> yeah, I added that for that reason
[04:47] <jdong> which is instantly flooded on join anyway at the current message rate :D
[04:47] <cdm10> Yeah, but we can't get people to do /topic
[04:47] <cdm10> so it would be nice to be able to send them the relevant info with ubotu
[04:48] <rob> lets smash them some more eh? ;)
[04:48] <cdm10> rather than just saying "look at the damn topic"
[04:48] <jdong>  /trigger add -regexp "when.*gutsy.*release" ..... ;-)
[04:48] <cdm10> I'd just like to see anyone not asking support questions to get 1 chance, and then a kick.
[04:48]  * Hobbsee ponders why irssi doesnt suck quite so much on gnome.
[04:48] <cdm10> Hobbsee: what does the DE have to do with it?
[04:48] <jdong> Hobbsee: why does irssi's suckiness depend on DE?
[04:48] <jdong> hotkeys?
[04:48] <rob> Hobbsee, irssi always sucks, the amounts might differ but it still sucks.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> i dont know.  i think it's because i've changed this to be a light shade of grey on black.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> rob: yeah, well.  there arent many better alternatives - they all suck in som eway.
[04:49] <rob> Hobbsee, if you learn to use xchat properly, it is much better.
[04:49] <cdm10> so, is #ubuntu+1 shut down, or is it just inaccessible?
[04:49] <rob> for one thing, it at least has python scripting support
[04:49] <Hobbsee> rob: true.  i'm very used to konversation
[04:49] <rob> cdm10, forwarded to
[04:49] <rob> #ubuntu
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oh, that's what i was going to install, too
[04:50] <jdong> cdm10: nalioth believes gutsy is out, so it's forwarded back to #ubuntu
[04:50] <rob> sorry, dam lappy keyboard
[04:50] <cdm10> jdong: eh, a bit early, but no real problem.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it's not out.
[04:50] <rob> Hobbsee, turn on treeview and don't use the -gnome version
[04:50] <jdong> cdm10: whatever, close enough
[04:50] <cdm10> One thing about the topic is that most people probably use Gaim or Pidgin, which doesn't properly display the full topic... so the gutsy notice should be moved to the beginning.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> not until the mail hits u-d-a
[04:50] <Hobbsee> sorry, u-a
[04:50] <cdm10> u-a?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> rob: ahh, it has treeview now
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-announce mailing list
[04:50] <cdm10> ah
[04:50] <rob> Hobbsee, yep, its sexy
[04:51] <cdm10> Is that when it hits HTTP, or does bittorrent come before the announcement? (it did last year)
[04:51] <cdm10> and by last year i mean last release
[04:51]  * jdong opens xchat to see what ye talkin about
[04:51] <rob> Hobbsee, I also have some evil scripts, which allow me to do things like right click on a nick or hostname and kline it
[04:51] <Hobbsee> rob: nice... :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> wouldnt want to miss
[04:51]  * cdm10 is running gutsy, so I'm hopefully not an annoying fanboyish "when is gutsy out"-er
[04:51] <rob> I also have /klinechannel, very very very evil ;)
[04:52] <jdonginator> so... err... what is this tree view thing?
[04:52]  * rob wonders where he can buy a jdonginator
[04:52] <Madpilot> are jdonginators legal in Arkansas?
[04:52] <Vorian> jdonginator, join 50 or so channels
[04:52] <jdonginator> lol
[04:52]  * jdonginator tries
[04:52] <rob> jdonginator, settings -> preferences -> Channel swicher
[04:53] <rob> though it should be tree view by default
[04:53] <rob> the ircd won't let you join 50 channels :)
[04:53] <ajmitch> hm?
[04:54] <rob> well, it will, if I like you :)
[04:54]  * ajmitch should *probably* leave a few :)
[04:54] <jdonginator> err, it looks like not much different than a tab
[04:54] <jdonginator> so it's a list instead of buttons?
[04:54] <rob> yup, you can hide it too
[04:54] <jdonginator> mmm, fascinating
[04:54] <rob> just click on the little 4 line thingy in the middle, and move it
[04:55] <jdonginator> meh it's not a bad client
[04:55] <jdonginator> my own objection is that I don't see a clear solution for remote access...
[04:55] <jdonginator> which is my #1 usecase for IRC
[04:55] <cdm10> Could an op go into #u and just start shouting at everyone to stfu?
[04:55] <cdm10> I'd love that.
[04:55] <cdm10> And it would make it actually usable as a support channel.
[04:55] <rob> the clincher for me is treeview + being able to easily add things like right click-> kline + python scripting support
[04:56] <rob> cdm10, ?
[04:56] <jdonginator> rob, aww kline doesn't show up in my right-click
[04:56] <ajmitch> cdm10: #ubuntu is relatively quiet
[04:56] <jdonginator> are klines matched by hostname or nickname?
[04:56] <cdm10> ajmitch: maybe it's relatively quiet, but the signal/noise ratio is way down.
[04:56] <jdonginator> or is it similar to a ban mask?
[04:56] <rob> jdonginator, yep, and it sees though cloaks too :)
[04:56] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-release-party is where the insanity is at
[04:56] <jdonginator> cool
[04:56] <cdm10> People are asking for help, but they're being drowned out by the gutsy crowd.
[04:56] <rob> jdonginator, always hostname *@host
[04:57] <cdm10> ajmitch: but that's okay... it's not okay when the support channel is useless.
[04:57] <jdonginator> rob, ah, so it's anchored to the IP that you're on
[04:57] <rob> jdonginator, yep, that's how klines work, we could set nick/username ones, but they are less useful, better to just jupe a nickname we don't want used
[04:57]  * ajmitch scrolls up in #ubuntu & sees pretty much solely ubuntu discussion for a change
[04:57] <jdonginator> cool
[04:58] <rob> #ubuntu is sane because of #ubuntu-release-party I think
[04:58] <cdm10> rob: but, it could be more sane...
[04:58] <rob> cdm10, this is sane for release day
[04:58] <cdm10> I just want to see it being used as an actual support channel.
[04:58] <cdm10> rob: but, I'm just saying, there are ways it could be saner.
[04:59] <cdm10> Why is the website still linking to the beta?
[04:59] <rob> cdm10, its fine
[04:59] <jdong> haha, that's still in there....
[04:59] <jdong> oops
[04:59] <cdm10> They could at least link to the rc...
[05:01]  * rob takes advantage of the slight calm down to grab some lunch
[05:03]  * jdong assimilates his botnet
[05:04] <nalioth> warms my cockles to see all the permbanned trolls in #u-r-c
[05:04]  * jdong searched up cockles on urbandictionary
[05:04] <cdm10> Would it be okay if I'm an asshole to people who just come in asking stupid questions about gutsy in #ubuntu?  I didn't notice.
[05:11] <ubotu> cdm10 called the ops in #ubuntu-release-party
[05:23] <imtiaz> any chance that i can be tested?
[05:25] <rob> are you sure, I didn't catch it
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> cdm10, rob: yes, they did - I handled it.
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> about 8 down
[05:30] <rob> hmm, which format? I must have forgotten a regex in my script or they would have been autoklined
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> rob: straight-up text send in the channel
[05:32] <rob> dcc send somegobilygook?
[05:32] <rob> with no "
[05:32] <rob> ?
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> yep
[05:33]  * rob adds a regex for no "" too
[05:33] <rob> oh, and don't worry, I have this channel in the whitelist
[05:33] <cdm10> so, how many #u ops are also network ops?
[05:33] <rob> umm, two or three?
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> timestamp was :08 after the hour
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> more
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> Four or five now I think
[05:34] <rob> two of us are more long term (I guess you could say senior) staff, but there are a couple more as well
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> you, nal*, jen_da, ompaul, ...
[05:34] <rob> oh, ompaul quit
[05:35]  * Hobbsee muhahahahaha
[05:35] <Hobbsee> can we start playing practical jokes on u-r-p yet?
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I've considered it.  I told matt he should make the counter say 2 days
[05:37] <Jordan_U> I feel sorry for you guys near releases
[05:37] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: which matt?
[05:37] <cdm10> tonyyarusso: would you happen to know why it links to the beta?
[05:37] <cdm10> (by it i mean the site)
[05:37] <rob> ow pie hot
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: #ubuntu-matt (newz)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: ahhh
[05:38]  * Hobbsee puts it in, watches for flying fur
[05:38] <rob> -ChanServ- The channel [#ubuntu-matt] is not registered
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> cdm10: b/c they've been working on lots of things.  They are aware of that and trying to fix it though, just a low priority I imagine.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> !release
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: hahaha
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> you're mean :)
[05:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-devel, Hobbsee said: !hungover is <reply> The Release Managers are currently hungover, and wont be releasing gutsy today
[05:40] <Hobbsee> why doesnt it like me?
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I will laugh like none other if there's a blurb on the BBC quoting a release manager saying that.
[05:40] <rob> Ubuntu releases a new version every 5 years. Each version is supported for 6 months to 18 months.  I entirely approve.
[05:44] <cdm10> Hobbsee: take out the evil laughter at the end, and people might actually believe you.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i know
[05:45] <rob> err, cdm10, we appreciate your help, but we largely have things under control.    Do you know how to do that?
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> rob: Or possibly funnier, a Warty ISO.
[05:50] <rob> or even better, a gentoo minimal cd .iso. It will boot into a cli and people won't know what to think..
[05:50] <rob> or even better.. lastmeasure :P
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> haha
[05:50] <cdm10> dban?
[05:51] <rob> its actually what lastmeasure was designed for, to be handed out labeled as Linux cds
[05:51] <rob> evil jerks.
[05:52] <Madpilot> wtf is lastmeasure?
[05:52] <rob> Madpilot, google it, but do not click on a link too it
[05:52] <rob> err to it. It is very not work safe.
[05:52] <cdm10> oh, i've been sent there before
[05:52] <cdm10> ouch
[05:52] <jrib> +1 topic contradicts !gutsy, no?
[05:53] <rob> probably, but !gutsy is probably the incorrect one
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> jrib: +1 is +i anyway, so don't worry about it too much
[05:53] <rob> !gutsy
[05:53] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[05:53] <rob> yep, needs to be changed
[05:53] <Madpilot> not at work, but all I needed to see was 'GNAA' associated... not going there
[05:53] <rob> I forgot my login to the bot.
[05:54] <rob> Madpilot, heh yup. One part of it is an evil web site, the other part of it is a bootable .iso.
[05:54] <Madpilot> that runs the evil shock site?
[05:55] <jrib> ubotu: no, gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[05:55] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jrib said: ubotu: no, gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[05:55] <jrib> ugh
[05:55] <rob> kinda, you boot from it and it displays yucky images and you can't kill it unless you shut off your pc, I'm not sure if it tries to do anything else to your system
[05:55] <jrib> !gutsy
[05:55] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[05:56] <rob> that sounds good
[05:59] <cdm10> hmm, lastresort or whatever sounds like somethnig MS people would sneak into linux installfest.
[06:01] <cdm10> someone just dcc sended
[06:07] <ubotu> cdm10 called the ops in #ubuntu-release-party
[06:07] <cdm10> I'm !ops-happy, sorry
[06:07] <cdm10> ubotu: sorry
[06:07] <ubotu> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you.
[06:07] <cdm10> wow
[06:07] <cdm10> that's awesome
[06:08] <Madpilot> never knew the bot did that.
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Easter Egg :)
[06:08] <Madpilot> not only is ubotu the sanest thing in any Ubuntu channel, it's got the best manners on IRC.
[06:13] <rob> are we wearing ops in #ubuntu-release-party?
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> rob: if you want.  I think some people are doing so because they're just helping for the day and don't have nifty op scripts.
[06:14] <rob> heh :) righto thanks tonyyarusso
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> note that doing so may draw unwanted attention ;)
[06:15] <rob> yup
[06:15] <nalioth> y'all keep in mind that all cloaked ubuntu members have ops in #u-r-p
[06:15] <cdm10> nalioth: even if they're not normally IRC ops?
[06:16]  * rob wonders if we need to do an idler cleanout
[06:16] <nalioth> cdm10: it's not an unknown condition, there are a few channels that all ubuntu members are ops in
[06:16] <cdm10> nalioth: that would be nice, if I were an Ubuntu member.
[06:17] <cdm10> I helped someone install Ubuntu a while back... it turns out he goes to my high school. He's a serious activist, and just got Ubuntu membership.
[06:17] <cdm10> And i'm still his tech support guy :)
[06:18] <cdm10> DPic, if anyone here knows him.
[06:18] <Madpilot> you don't need to be super technical to get Membership
[06:18] <Madpilot> it's not a developers-only club
[06:18] <cdm10> Madpilot: Yeah, I know. It's more activism I guess.
[06:19] <cdm10> Madpilot: I used to be pretty active on IRC, helping people. I've changed nicks, though, so cdm10 doesn't have the linecount my old nick had.
[06:19] <cdm10> Madpilot: I'm going on IRC more and more often, now.
[06:19] <cdm10> Madpilot: What do you need to become a member?
[06:19] <Madpilot> involvement, basically
[06:19] <Madpilot> I got mine for docteam and irc, pretty much
[06:19] <cdm10> Madpilot: so... I do IRC, and I'm a member of a LoCo... I go to installfests and stuff.
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> I got mine primarily for IRC, with smatterings of other stuff
[06:21] <rob> nice.
[06:21] <cdm10> So, what do you have to do on IRC to do enough to become a member?
[06:21] <rob> I got mine for documentation, and irc on the side :)
[06:21] <Madpilot> cdm10, a couple months of IRC activity and other stuff, and you can put your name in for membership
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> cdm10: lots of #ubuntu help, pretty much.  I had also been added to the ops team like two weeks prior to the CC meeting.
[06:22] <ajmitch> a sustained & significant contribution to the ubuntu community
[06:22] <cdm10> tonyyarusso: so, you can be an op without being an ubuntu member?
[06:22] <rob> text book.
[06:22] <Madpilot> yah, ajmitch ^^^ has the actual definition
[06:22]  * ajmitch just got in early :)
[06:22] <cdm10> Yeah, but I want to know the real-world definition, which is why I'm asking :)
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> cdm10: Technically, yes, although it's preferred not to maintain that situation.  In my case it was a matter of when the next CC meeting was, and being pretty confident I'd be approved.
[06:23] <rob> if you were going to rely on irc alone, it would have to be more then just a couple of months surely..
[06:23] <ajmitch> it varies depending on what things you're involved in
[06:23] <cdm10> tonyyarusso: Ah.
[06:23] <cdm10> rob: Yes, definitely... the problem is that I changed nicks to get away from some people who were harassing me on IRC. My old nick has all the activity.
[06:23]  * ajmitch has been involved in the development side of things for a little while - membership comes with being a MOTU or core developer
[06:23] <Madpilot> cdm10, what was the old nick?
[06:24] <rob> cdm10, that's okay, just keep everyone informed and use that when you go for membership
[06:24] <cdm10> Madpilot: cables
[06:24] <cdm10> Madpilot: It's 20th on Macd's rankings of irc linecounts or something
[06:24] <Madpilot> ah, OK. you've been around #u a lot, ya
[06:24]  * rob is hoping to be a motu-wannabe for the next release, if he gets time
[06:24] <cdm10> I'd like to learn how to package software.
[06:25] <cdm10> I just really don't have the programming skills to make everything work.
[06:25] <Madpilot> I spent about five months or so with docteam (wrote about half of what shipped as Dapper Desktop Guide) and increasing amounts of IRC help, also a bit of loco work (Ubuntu Canada) to get membership
[06:25] <cdm10> Madpilot: so, how do I look when it comes to IRC participation?
[06:25] <cdm10> Madpilot: where in Canada?
[06:25] <Madpilot> these days a few evenings of IRC a week and some loco stuff
[06:26] <Madpilot> Victoria - west coast
[06:26] <cdm10> Madpilot: Ah, I'm from Montreal, sorta.
[06:26] <cdm10> Madpilot: I moved away when I was 4, but I go to canada many times a year to visit family.
[06:26] <Madpilot> cool.
[06:26] <Madpilot> join #ubuntu-ca if you want a virtual visit :)
[06:26] <cdm10> Madpilot: and I like a good Tim Horton's iced cap as much as anyone
[06:27] <cdm10> Madpilot: and I'd kill for some smoked meat and/or montreal bagels.
[06:27] <cdm10> Madpilot: has my new nick been very active in #u?
[06:28] <Madpilot> not sure - don't keep logs or scan them much.
[06:28] <cdm10> Ah.
[06:28] <cdm10> Madpilot: how'd you get the info for cables
[06:28] <cdm10> there should be a ? at the end of that.
[06:28] <Madpilot> random neurons fired
[06:28] <cdm10> Madpilot: so, just memory?
[06:28] <Madpilot> yes
[06:29] <rob> hey whatchaknow, my script got that ECC ENDer from #ubuntu-release-party before and I didn't even realise it. And he was from an oddly familiar .nz hostname too..
[06:30] <Madpilot> what is it with kiki trolls? seem to be rather more .nz bans than you'd expect from such a small country...
[06:31] <rob> well, as an Aussie, I won't comment. Maybe they are running out of sheep.
[06:31] <rob> oops, slipped ;)
[06:32] <Madpilot>  s/kiki/kiwi
[06:32] <cdm10> I don't even know why I'm still up, waiting... it's not like I haven't been running Gutsy for a month or so.
[06:32] <cdm10> I guess I just want to see how crazy #u-r-p gets when the topic is changed to "it's released"
[06:33] <Madpilot>  #ubuntu will go insane too
[06:33] <cdm10> Madpilot: but less so
[06:33] <cdm10> or not
[06:33] <cdm10> actually, not.
[06:34] <cdm10> How sad that I'll be in school when it happens. Ah well, I'll just keep the client logging.
[06:36] <Myrtti> there's a small discrepancy with !ops
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: oh?
[06:36] <Myrtti> it's the same on #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party
[06:36] <Myrtti> yet I'm an op only on #ubuntu
[06:37] <Myrtti> (blech, there's no milk for my coffee at the office fridge)
[06:37] <rob> oh, the ubuntu/member cloak has ops on #ubuntu-release-party
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> hmmm
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> not sure what to do for offtopic, other than say "poke someone and get added there to make our factoid lives simpler"
[06:38] <rob> Myrtti, fixed #ubuntu-release-party for you
[06:38] <Madpilot> Myrtti, anyone with #ubuntu ops has -offtopic automatically, far as i konw
[06:38] <Madpilot> know
[06:38] <Madpilot> used to be set up like that, anyway
[06:38] <Myrtti> rob: but I don't have that cloak (working for The Finnish Centre for Open Source Solutions which has Novell and Red Hat as sponsoring members I decided not to rub anyone's back in the wrong way and took wikipedia cloak instead)
[06:38]  * rob is thinking it is because of his cloak Madpilot
[06:39] <Myrtti> rob: thanks
[06:39] <Myrtti> Madpilot: not according to access list?
[06:40] <rob> there is no cloak wildcard for ubuntu/member on -offtopic
[06:40] <Madpilot> no wildcard, but at one point anyone with #u ops got -offtopic whether they wanted it or not
[06:40] <rob> they probably should yeah
[06:41] <rob> loo break :)
[06:42] <Myrtti> I don't mind helping with the channels though
[06:42] <Myrtti> just as long as I don't get hilights in vain ;-)
[06:50] <rob> heh
[06:54] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  lol
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> hey SC
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> welcome to madness
[06:55] <rob> I think I won the pissing contest
[06:56] <rob> w00t for me.
[06:58]  * effie_jayx misses elkbuntu
[06:58] <effie_jayx> she loves fighting with the eager trolls
[06:58] <rob> troll, where? :)
[06:59] <Madpilot> hopefully she'll get out of dialup hell soon enough
[07:03] <rob> Hobbsee_, you have something on your chin..
[07:03] <rob> oh, its just an underscore.
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> btw everyone, I am now running a script that will mark the maximum number of users in #ubuntu, just out of curiosity, so you can ask me later what it was.
[07:05] <Hobbsee_> rob, yeah, 2 nicks
[07:05] <rob> tonyyarusso, nice :)
[07:05] <Hobbsee_> why does this insist on sorting my nicks alphabetically?
[07:07] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: usercount.pl ?
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: chanpeak
[07:16] <jcastro> hi, who do I talk to about an ubuntu cloak thinger thing?
[07:16] <LongPointyStick> jcastro, ubuntu council.
[07:16] <LongPointyStick> are you an ubuntu member still?
[07:16] <jcastro> yep
[07:17] <rob> talk to nalioth, I think the irc council is the group contact now..
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: (https://edge.launchpad.net/~jorge seems to be the relevant link)
[07:17] <jcastro> yeah, that's my launchpad page
[07:33] <cdm10> !pronunciation is <REPLY> Ubuntu is pronounced like "oo-boon-too"
[07:37] <Jordan_U> cdm10, Not quite, maybe I'm just too picky but it's not "oo" like loon
[07:38] <cdm10> Jordan_U: Isn't it? ~/Examples/whatever.ogg
[07:39] <Jordan_U> cdm10, I know, and I don't think that the way Mandela or anyone else says it is quite that "oo", again, I'm just too picky :)
[07:39] <cdm10> Jordan_U: heh, well it's better than "yu-buhn-tu"
[07:39] <Jordan_U> True :)
[07:40] <Jordan_U> It's more like a german "u"
[07:40] <cdm10> Maybe it should just link to a vorbis recording
[07:42] <Jordan_U> According to wikipedia "Ubuntu (official IPA pronunciation /ùbúntú/ (oo-BOON-too[5]))"
[07:42] <cdm10> I have no idea how to read those pronounciation codes
[07:43] <Jordan_U> Well it basically says that I am wrong, since the two "u"s are pronounced the same way, I just don't hear it that way
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> #ubuntu hit 1400 :)
[07:43] <cdm10> Jordan_U: neither do I, you're right
[07:44] <cdm10> tonyyarusso: is that an all-time high?
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> cdm10: no
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> not sure what that number is exactly
[07:44] <cdm10> ok
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> will likely be broken today
[07:44] <Myrtti> facebook <3
[07:45] <Myrtti> my friend wheel is getting more and more scary
[07:45] <Seeker`> morning
[07:47] <Greenery> port test pls
[07:58] <Hobbsee> damned ardichoile.
[07:59] <Hobbsee> LjL-Temp: he's reverted again
[08:15]  * rob just thought of something evil: ask when Ubuntu is going to be released in #debian
[08:16]  * rob ducks
[08:16] <rob> omg someone just did..
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> haha
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> did they get slapped?
[08:20] <rob> yeah for about 5 minutes
[08:22] <Amaranth> man 1400 people....
[08:22] <Amaranth> this is supposed to be the quiet time
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> "diabolix> 8.04 will be the release that is run on a shuttleworth funded moon rover, and it will be called lunar lemar" [sic]
[08:25] <Amaranth> err
[08:26] <Amaranth> that'd be 10.04
[08:27] <Amaranth> !gutsy-#ubuntu-release-party is <reply> Every time you ask the release is delayed.
[08:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Amaranth
[08:27] <Myrtti> hehehe
[08:29] <Madpilot> very nice
[08:29] <mneptok> for the love of Mercifuck get the bots out of #u-r-p
[08:30] <mneptok> Python is built for this. it's too ... sweaty.
[08:30] <mneptok> *isn't
[08:30] <mneptok> gah.
[08:30] <mneptok> my eyes...
[08:31] <Madpilot> Dog, urp is going quite entirely berzerk
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> urp?
[08:32] <Madpilot> ubuntu-releaseparty
[08:32] <Madpilot> urp
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> ah, nice
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> Somebody intelligent write a factoid for !tickless
[08:34] <Madpilot> also the noise you make when you realize just how /.-like that channel is currently
[08:34] <Seveas> I'm k/b'ing bot abusers now
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[08:34] <Seveas> zero-tolerance
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> What's the load on the bot looking like btw?
[08:35] <Seveas> zero on the host, but don't know what lag is doing to him
[08:35] <Mez> 0 days to go
[08:35] <Mez> roll on midday
[08:35] <Madpilot> morning Seveas
[08:35] <Seveas> he could use an excess flood bypass
[08:36] <Madpilot> never seen as many people op'd in an Ubuntu channel as #urp right now....
[08:37] <Mez> #urp ?
[08:37] <Mez> :(
[08:37]  * Mez wants in
[08:37] <Madpilot>  #ubuntu-releaseparty
[08:37] <Madpilot> urp
[08:37] <Mez> invite onlyt
[08:37] <Mez> * Cannot join #ubuntu-releaseparty (Channel is invite only).
[08:37] <Mez> -ChanServ- An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #ubuntu-releaseparty
[08:38] <Madpilot> sorry, #ubuntu-release-party
[08:38] <Madpilot> dropped a hyphen there
[08:38] <Mez> why is -releaseparty invite only ?
[08:38] <Madpilot> was probably locked to prevent capture by trolls, at a guess?
[08:38] <Seveas> +if -release-party
[08:39] <Mez> ah, I'm +Q
[08:39] <Seveas> only +Q people get caught by it :p
[08:39] <Mez> ;)
[08:40] <Mez> you do know when it's going to be released though right ?
[08:40] <Mez> all releases thus far have been at 12:00 UTC?BST
[08:40] <Madpilot> "when it doesn't break sabdfl's laptop audio", from reports :)
[08:41] <Mez> lol
[08:41] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: !rofl is If you are really rofl then how did you type rofl?
[08:42]  * Mez has his shipit CDs ordered to goto work
[08:42] <jussi01> wow... #urp is crazy...
[08:43] <Madpilot> utterly bat-gauno frothing mad, yes
[08:44] <Madpilot> that is such a beautifully evil !gutsy factiod in urp
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> what's +Q?
[08:47]  * tonyyarusso races the channel to the FN web site
[08:47] <mneptok> no forwarding
[08:47] <mneptok> user mode
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> why would you do that?
[08:48] <mneptok> because i want to decide what channels my client joins
[08:49] <Jordan_U> Madpilot, What is it?
[08:49] <Madpilot> Jordan_U, "every time you ask, the release is delayed another hour"
[08:49] <Jordan_U> lol, that's what I have been telling people in #ubuntu :)
[08:50] <Jordan_U> Actually "it will be released one hour after the last person who asks" but the ubotu factoid is better :)
[08:50] <philip__> someone please test me against the DCC disconnect hack
[09:00] <Amaranth> !no gutsy-#ubuntu-release-party is <reply> Every time you ask the release is delayed five minutes.
[09:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[09:03] <Amaranth> That was weird
 Amaranth: you are a big asshole man.
[09:04] <Amaranth> Then he left
[09:04] <Amaranth> I have never seen that guy before and haven't said anything in #ubuntu in like 10 hours
[09:05] <Seveas> been banned from a few channels already
[09:06] <Seveas> btw, skarecrow is also one for the permaban list
 i aint fucking trolling you dumb fuck
[09:07] <Seveas> !ping
[09:07] <ubotu> pong
[09:08] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41034/
[09:08] <thoreauputic> Seveas: that SkareCrow quote is something of a classic - maybe we should frame it or something
[09:09] <thoreauputic> Ah, bash.org?
[09:10] <Seveas> bash.org?
[09:10] <Seveas> no, this is straight from my pm :)
[09:10] <thoreauputic> ah, so i see :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: he has many clients apparently - I wonder if he uses the same vocabulary to all 35,000 of them ')
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> over 1450 now
[09:19] <elkbuntu> hellooooo adsl :D :D :D
[09:19] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: *hug*
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu's here!
[09:19] <elkbuntu> someone gimme a speed checker applet!
[09:20] <tonyyarusso> Now we can watch her play with the silly folk in urp!
[09:23] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: greetings!
[09:23] <mneptok> %btlogin
[09:23] <Seeker`> lo elkbuntu
[09:27] <mneptok> !secret download
[09:27] <ubotu> super secret downloads! - http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/releases.ubuntu.com/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[09:27] <Seveas> hah
[09:28] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, welcome back.still stuck in dialup hell?
[09:28] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, as of this afternoon, no
[09:28] <Seveas> brb
[09:28] <elkbuntu> adsl2+ babeh
[09:28] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: how fast?
[09:28] <Madpilot> nice. welcome back to the 21st century.
[09:28] <elkbuntu> http://www.speedtest.net/result/193798932.png
[09:28] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: woohoo - welcome to the 31st century!
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: great minds...
[09:29]  * tonyyarusso reels thoreauputic back a few years
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: and slow typist :)
[09:29] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: Nice :D
[09:29] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: ah a nice typo...
[09:30] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: 31st century and adsl2+ seem an unlikely pairing :)
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> ya
[09:30] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: it feels like that when you go from dialup to adsl2+ though ;p
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: true - we went dialup-->cable this spring
[09:32] <Madpilot> my folks live far enough outside of town they can't get cable or adsl. they lasted two weeks with dialup before springing for satellite 'net
[09:32] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: I went dialup -> adsl2+ last year: I kept downloading stuff just to watch the speed go over 1MB/sec - couldn't believe it :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: how fast is satellite ?
[09:33] <Seveas> thoreauputic, speed can be decent, but the latency sucks
[09:33] <Madpilot> slightly faster than standard domestic wireless
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: ah OK - that's pretty usable
[09:34] <Madpilot> latency too high for voip, though
[09:34] <thoreauputic> right
[09:35] <Madpilot> I think it tops out around 70Mbps
[09:35] <Madpilot> vice, what, 54 for basic wireless?
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> 54 is g
[09:39] <mneptok> and with a satellite, you can get the Internet from other planets.
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> riiiiiiiiiiiiigh
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> t
[09:39] <thoreauputic> mneptok: Is that where all that spam is coming from?
[09:39] <Seveas> how's internet on planet mneptok?
[09:40] <mneptok> although the .uranus domain is mostly porn
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> because that's how geosynchronous stuff works
[09:40] <Madpilot> Venusian spam - even worse than Nigerian
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: I thought that's where goatse was?
[09:40] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: that's a black hole
[09:40] <Madpilot> "GREETINGS. My name is QSsfbsrAFD..."
 GOOD LUCK WITH Q!
[09:53] <mneptok> quixotic quetzlcoatl?
[09:54] <Myrtti> quivering ... quiet
[09:54] <thoreauputic> mneptok: querulous quoll
[09:54] <Madpilot> Quaking Quail
[09:54] <thoreauputic> mneptok: now try X ;p
[09:54] <Seveas> Xusty Xibbon
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hah
[09:55] <Myrtti> Xenophopic ... ;-)
[09:55] <thoreauputic> xenophobic xanthus
[09:55] <Madpilot> Xenophibic Xenomorph
[09:55] <thoreauputic> or xue-bao ( snow leopard IIRC)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> yes, google confirms :)
[09:56] <Seeker`> thoreauputic: You mean netcraft confirms?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Seeker`: nah, that's only for BSD ;p
[09:57] <Seeker`> I know someone that worked for netcraft on their placement year
[09:57] <Seeker`> I only live a 15 min walk from their office
[09:57] <Seeker`> which is, apparently, a converted townhouse
[09:59] <Seveas> yeez
[09:59] <Seveas> people found isos
[09:59] <Seveas> #urp is going maddder
[10:00] <Madpilot> at least it isn't #u going insane
[10:01] <stdin> give it a min
[10:02] <stdin> see
[10:13]  * tonyyarusso wishes a ban in urp automatically became one in #ubuntu too
[10:13] <Madpilot> tempting, no?
[10:15] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[10:20] <rob> whoa 1500
[10:20] <Mez> was it released yet ? ? :P
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> yep to rob, no to Mez
[10:21] <Mez> lol
[10:21] <Mez> thought not
[10:21] <rob> ooh, web site now says "coming soon"
[10:21] <Mez> 1:40 to release I reckon
[10:21] <Mez> or 40 if they use UTC
[10:23] <Madpilot> ybotk, need a hand?
[10:23] <ybotk> Just made a silly little joke is all. Seeking forgiveness.
[10:23] <ybotk> It won't happen again.
[10:24] <superkirbyartist> I request an un-ban on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic because of false claims.
[10:25] <superkirbyartist> !!ops
[10:25] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[10:25] <ubotu> superkirbyartist called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[10:25] <rob> please don't abuse that
[10:25] <thoreauputic> superkirbyartist: that was a really bad move...
[10:25] <rob> I was just about to do the same thing :)
[10:26] <Seveas> there went his last chance
[10:26] <Grymnyr> I request an unban of tucuna. He only asked about the new ubuntu release and typed an url, and then he was banned
[10:26] <Amaranth> He spammed #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic then did that here?
[10:26] <Amaranth> Grymnyr: No, you post links you lose out on the fun
[10:26] <Amaranth> Grymnyr: The channel will be gone soon anyway
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Grymnyr: zero tolerance during release feeding frenzies, sorry
[10:26] <ybotk> Seveas, Can I be unbanned, or do I have to sit out awhile?
[10:26] <Madpilot> I kb'd superkirbyidiot from -offtopic, wasn't aware he'd been bounced from #u too
[10:27] <Seveas> ybotk, zero-trollerance mode, you're out of luck
[10:27] <ybotk> Okay, thank you for your time. Again, I apologize.
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> Grymnyr: Granted in PM, thanks.
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: It seems tucuna meant to say something more like "do the things post at <URL> mean it's out?  I'm confused", but it came out "it seems to be out - <URL>"
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> Clarified the problem and such now.
[10:30] <Grymnyr> Amaranth, what do you mean, the channel will be gone?
[10:31] <Grymnyr> ok
[10:31] <Amaranth> Grymnyr: #ubuntu-release-party won't be there even 24 hours from now
[10:31] <rob> superkirbyidoit is currently harassing me pm..
[10:31] <tonyyarusso> urp is approaching the numbers of what #ubuntu had when I first entered it
[10:32] <rob> are we kicking url givers?
[10:32] <Madpilot> rob, he tried with me, evidently has moved on to staff
[10:33] <Amaranth> rob: yes
 Will I be unbanned soon?
 nope
[10:33] <Seveas> try a k-line ;)
[10:33] <rob> well I'm just waiting for him to try something else, then sure
[10:33] <rob> he has already harassed several chans I see, and several of you
[10:34] <Seveas> yup
[10:34] <rob> ubuntu/members are opped in #ubuntu-release-party right? I thought nalioth set a wildcard access list item?
[10:35] <Madpilot> when someone joins -offtopic and their very first line is "If anyone wants free <redacted> stuff say 12321." that reeks of spam
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> rob: yes
[10:35] <Seveas> it does
[10:35] <rob> Madpilot, yup
[10:35]  * rob just saw a ubuntu member join and not get opped..  Classic.
[10:36] <rob> sorry myrtti when you come back!
 Seveas? You pinko commie fag.
[10:37] <Seveas> #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: I win
[10:37] <Seveas> k-line would be appreciated
[10:37] <Seveas> he's now in artwork
[10:37] <rob> Seveas, done
[10:37] <Seveas> thanks
 Seveas, Lest not forget?
 Douchebag.
 :)
[10:37] <Seveas> <-- ybotk has quit (K-lined)
[10:38] <Seveas> so much for his 'apologies'
[10:38] <rob> yeah
[10:39] <rob> you guys probably should know that the .isos are pretty much mirroring everywhere, a few of my local mirrors have them already, maybe we should stop kicking people who give the url out?
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> rob: nah - we'll stay with policy until the release guys tell us
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> Until the announcement is made, they can still make changes if necessary.
[10:40] <rob> tonyyarusso, it just seems like a bit of an over-reaction is all.
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> rob: perhaps.  How would we draw a line for when to change though?
[10:41] <rob> tonyyarusso, it must be soon I'm guessing, considering everyone I know who is interested in them are already downloading them we should let up soon
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> rob: very - I'm keeping in touch with the button-pushers
[10:42] <rob> most people are wondering why they are getting kicked as far as I can tell
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> true
[10:43] <Myrtti> could !links be enabled on #ubuntu too
[10:43] <rob> here is one now I think :)
[10:43] <diabolix> why did i get banned from release party?
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> rob: I'm told that since rsync does incremental changes, they started publishing ISOs to mirrors yesterday, and are going around doing small changes now.
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> rob: So, anything that's linked might not even work.
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> Which would make #ubuntu support fun tomorrow.
[10:44] <rob> so the current .isos are not up to date, even though they are marked as such?
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> Correct.
[10:44] <rob> ouch..
[10:44] <mc44> well, depending on the mirror
[10:44] <rob> okay, fair enough, keep discouraging it I guess
[10:47] <diabolix> can the op who banned me accept my humble apology and let me back in to the release party?
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> diabolix: do you understand the problem?
[10:48] <diabolix> yes.
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> Okay, explain it back to us.
[10:49] <SkareCrow> I wanna know why I keep getting kicked/banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party
[10:49] <diabolix> if i post a link now, people will download an prerelease version of gusty, and assume its the real thing. not only that, they will be needlessly hammering mirrors before the real release.
[10:49] <tonyyarusso> righto
[10:49] <Seveas> SkareCrow, i think '<SkareCrow> i aint fucking trolling you dumb fuck' summarizes it nicely
[10:49] <SkareCrow> I made 1 joke and was kicked for it, then Seveas decides to take my words wrong and ban me from #ubuntu-release-party and #ubuntu
[10:49] <SkareCrow> Cause you were pissing me off
[10:49] <tonyyarusso> diabolix: okay, try to behave now
[10:50] <SkareCrow> I said 1 thing and you insisted I kept on doing it
[10:50] <diabolix> tonyyarusso, thanks.
[10:50] <SkareCrow> When I explained it to you
[10:50] <Myrtti> I'm looking over #ubuntu
[10:50] <Myrtti> every time I remove for posting that link, I do !links > nick
[10:50] <Seveas> the ops read the full log SkareCrow, I suggest you don't lie
[10:51] <SkareCrow> What did I lie about?
[10:51] <SkareCrow> Go ahead and show the logs. I have the logs too.  Everybody on the italian support channel is downloading Gutsy now, some from the torrent, some others from the website. Is it safe to download now, or should I say them to wait?
[10:54] <rob> tonyyarusso, I'm thinking you should mention what you said to me before about the .isos in #ubuntu-release-party so people know what is going on
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> rob: Sure.
[10:54] <rob> tonyyarusso, thanks :)
[10:54] <tonyyarusso> rob: meanwhile, explain it to GionnyBoss for me
[10:54] <rob> oaky
[10:54] <rob> err okay
[10:55] <rob> GionnyBoss, since rsync does incremental changes, they started publishing ISOs to mirrors yesterday, and are going around doing small changes now. Therefore, don't give out the url to the .iso files because they are not up to date.
[10:55] <rob> you were banned because we are enforcing this
[10:56] <ChaosParser> Okay.  How do we get un-banned?
[10:56] <Madpilot> ChaosParser, ^^^ that's why we're removing ppl from -party
[10:56] <rob> it creates many support headaches for us :)
[10:56] <ChaosParser> IRC Chat in Opera cuts off the Topic.
[10:56] <ChaosParser> I couldn't *see* that.
[10:56] <GionnyBoss> rob: are the torrents safe to download?
[10:56] <rob> GionnyBoss, no, nothing is until it is released properly
[10:56] <rob> everything is still syncing
[10:57] <GionnyBoss> rob: ok, so I guess I should change the topic on #ubuntu-it and say everybody to stop downloading it and wait
[10:57] <rob> GionnyBoss, we are taking care of that now
[10:57] <SkareCrow> This is fucked up
[10:57] <GionnyBoss> rob: ok thank you
[10:57] <rob> GionnyBoss, just please don't give out the urls yet, and I will unban you :)
[10:57] <rob> GionnyBoss, done
[10:58] <SkareCrow> Can you unban me too?
[10:58] <ChaosParser> Me three?
[10:58] <rob> ChaosParser, do you understand what I said to GionnyBoss?
[10:58] <GionnyBoss> rob: yes, I understand. Did you ban me?
[10:59] <ChaosParser> Don't post links to the release that are accessible from ubuntu.com that everyone that already uses ubuntu knows about anyways?  Sure.  I got that.
[10:59] <rob> GionnyBoss, yep
[10:59] <GionnyBoss> rob: I am an #ubuntu-it operator. Why did you ban me?
[10:59] <Madpilot> ChaosParser, try -party, I think your ban is gone
[10:59] <rob> ChaosParser, we are discouraging it
[10:59] <tonyyarusso> rob: did that make sense in there?
[10:59] <ChaosParser> Thank you.
[10:59] <rob> GionnyBoss, I didn't ban you, just helping you :)
[11:00] <GionnyBoss> rob: oh ok... sorry, it's just that you said <rob> GionnyBoss, just please don't give out the urls yet, and I will unban you :)
[11:00] <rob> oh, well yes I have removed the ban GionnyBoss
[11:00] <Madpilot> GionnyBoss, overlapping conversations
[11:00] <GionnyBoss> rob: thanks, I'm warning all the italian channel about this and I will take care of that
[11:01] <Myrtti> the channels are too busy for me to keep up :-/
[11:01] <rob> GionnyBoss, awesome, cheers
[11:01] <rob> tonyyarusso, looking now
[11:01] <no0tic> what's the problem?
[11:01] <SkareCrow> This is fucked, talk about a pizza at my front door and get banned. How fucked up is this world?
[11:02] <rob> tonyyarusso, I guess I just hope people got it :)
[11:02] <rob> heh
[11:02]  * Madpilot waits for the profanity-laced PM
[11:03] <Madpilot> ah, there it is
[11:03] <Madpilot> how predictable
[11:03] <Myrtti> :-P
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> heh
[11:03] <GionnyBoss> rob: what am I supposed to tell to the people in the support channel that says that they have already finished to dowload the .iso?
[11:03] <mc44> Madpilot: poor guy just wants to eat his pizza :)
[11:03] <rob> GionnyBoss, that they may not have the final release one :)
[11:03] <mc44> GionnyBoss: make sure they check the md5 sum
[11:03] <GionnyBoss> ok
[11:04] <mc44> with the official release md5sum
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> getting close to ready now, apparently - we may get some sleep yet
[11:04] <Madpilot> mc44, well, now he's banned he can eat his pizza in peace. No nasty IRC channels to distract him
[11:04] <mneptok> GionnyBoss: tell them to use BitTorrent
[11:05] <mneptok> http://montreal.canonical.com/torrents  (the main download sites are very slow)
[11:06] <GionnyBoss> mneptok: yes, I already tell them all to use torrents. But the torrent is not safe yet, I guess.
[11:07] <rob> what the heck is going on in #ubuntu-release-party ?
[11:07] <stdin> that's all jono's fault
[11:07] <stdin> [11:05]  <jono> everyone, say the town and country you are in now, it will be like a mexican wave
[11:07] <Madpilot> awesome flood
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> rob: blame jono
[11:07] <rob> oh must have missed that
[11:07]  * rob reminds himself never to give jono the floor again :)
 Ah, an officially sanctioned flood. Never thought I'd see the day.
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[11:08] <Myrtti> put the m back and let him finish
[11:08] <GionnyBoss> on the italian website there is a link to the .iso. Should I tell the webmaster to drop that link from the italian ubuntu home page?
[11:08] <stdin> at least it stops people asking when it's out
[11:08] <Myrtti> people might be getting connection errors
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: ......wth?
[11:09] <Myrtti> Amaranth: shame on you
[11:09] <stdin> I'm getting about 1.2KB inbound, just on IRC
[11:09] <rob> heh careful with the kicking, let them have some fun.. :)
[11:09] <Seveas> lol
[11:10] <rob> jono caused the hype after all! :)
[11:10] <Fujitsu> Wow. Just... wow.
[11:14] <thoreauputic> The wave was a great way to stop the constant URL postings actually... not to mention fun
[11:15] <no0tic> are torrents updated?
[11:15] <GionnyBoss> I'm sorry to repeat, but I think this is important: on the italian website there is a link to the .iso. Should I tell the webmaster to drop that link from the italian ubuntu home page?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> no0tic: wait for the official announcement
[11:15] <no0tic> thoreauputic, where
[11:15] <stdin> GionnyBoss: seeing as it's not the actual release, yes
[11:16] <GionnyBoss> ok
[11:16] <rob> oh god.
[11:16] <mc44> haha
[11:16] <thoreauputic> no0tic: join #ubuntu-release-party and wait for the topic change
[11:16] <GionnyBoss> I already handled the problem of people downloading the .iso on the italian support channel
[11:17] <Myrtti> ok, I'm so tired
[11:17] <Myrtti> can someone else take over at #ubuntu
[11:17] <rob> yeah its all good
[11:17] <GionnyBoss> unfortunately, the ubuntu italian website made a mess. At the italian midnight (12 hours ago) came out that link, everybody thought that Gutsy was officially out, we had a mess in the italian support channel
[11:17] <GionnyBoss> I will talk to the responsable of the italian website
[11:18] <rob> heh, yeah not out yet, get them to check the md5sum with the released one when it is available
[11:19] <Amaranth> I think ~2000 might have been too conservative
[11:19] <elkbuntu> holy moly... #ubuntu is at 1550 already
[11:19] <Amaranth> At this rate #ubuntu will get to 2500 or so at least
[11:19] <Myrtti> I said 2100 +-15
[11:20] <rob> yeah nice
[11:20] <mc44> nah, I'd say 2000
[11:20] <mc44> sweepstakes! :)
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> over 1550 in #ubuntu now
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> bah, elkbuntu beat me to it
[11:20] <elkbuntu> based on previous trends, it' will probably hit 2200
[11:20] <Seveas> 1700/1800
[11:20] <Myrtti> GODDAMMIT
[11:21] <Seveas> 'sup Myrtti ?
[11:22] <Myrtti> I've slept so badly with my still very aching sciatic ass, and I'm trying to keep the fires down on #ubuntu AND trying to proof read some EU documents and answering our office's helpdesk questions
[11:23] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:23] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso, Amaranth <3
[11:23] <elkbuntu> oh lookie arenlor wants a kline
[11:23] <Madpilot> he just got a kb from -party
[11:23] <Myrtti> pardon my french
[11:23] <Myrtti> s/ass/hiney/
[11:24] <rob> what happen?
[11:24] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: definitely starting to see bot lag now
[11:24] <rob> hmm
[11:25] <rob> Seveas, what is holding up the bot, is it just code to stop it flooding off?
[11:25] <Amaranth> Most likely
[11:27] <no0tic> write down something on releases.ubuntu.com..
[11:30] <Myrtti> could someone please explain rsyncking the mirrors at #ubuntu
[11:31] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:31] <Myrtti> because if I try to explain it, it gets all muggled up
[11:32] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso?
[11:32] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: sure
[11:32] <Seveas> f*ing isp
[11:32] <Seveas> cuts my connection on release day :)
[11:33] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: thank you, you're a lifesaver
[11:34] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: shh, you're ruining it
[11:35] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, have we EVER muted the whole of #u before?
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: np
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I think so, for similar reasons.
[11:36] <Seveas> !test
[11:36] <ubotu> Failed.
[11:37] <Myrtti> k-line?
[11:37] <mc44> bah tonyyarusso mistimed his +m :)
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> mc44: apparently :S
[11:40] <Myrtti> /me backs out from #ubuntu
[11:40]  * rob jumps in head first
[11:40] <penguincentral> hi, i would like to know who blocked me from ubuntu-release-party and why?
[11:41] <akrill> i too have been banned, for posting a link to the gutsy release. i was told not to do this only AFTER the ban, and would like to be unbanned. i was unaware of any no-linking rule
[11:41]  * rob considers switching to his 22" screen from this laptop
[11:42] <Vorian> akrill, it was in all caps in the topic
[11:42] <akrill> as i just told tonyyarusso, my client doesnt show topics by default
[11:43] <akrill> i have to click a button to see it
[11:44] <penguincentral> well, can anyone help me out here?
[11:44] <Madpilot> time to switch to a better client?
[11:44] <akrill> Madpilot: show me a better one for mac os x :-p
[11:44] <penguincentral> I wasn't even alerted once inside the channel
[11:45] <tonyyarusso> penguincentral: did you post a URL to pre-release disk images?
[11:47] <penguincentral> no
[11:47] <Madpilot> blargh... need sleep, starting to see two screens :)
[11:47] <Madpilot> night all. have fun with the loons, trolls and fanboiz
[11:48] <rob> holy crap, there is over 700 just in #urp
[11:49] <akrill> haha wow i thought there was actually a channel called #urp for a second
[11:49] <akrill> i even joined it.
[11:49]  * akrill shakes his head
[11:49] <rob> heh
[11:50]  * ajmitch should go to bed & let you lot sort out the misfits
[11:51] <Madpilot> am going to crash. urp will still be a madhouse when i surface again, but the gibbon might actually have been released...
[11:53] <penguincentral> tonyyarusso: no warning whatsoever, i didn't post pre-release links, what am i supposed to do
[11:54] <tonyyarusso> penguincentral: do you know what you did right before it, or a timestamp?
[11:55] <penguincentral> tonyyarusso: well, I did use capital letters in my last couple of statements
[11:55] <wii> sorry
[11:55] <wii> how do i update to gusty by konsole?
[11:56] <mc44> this is not a support channel
[11:56] <rob> wii, use the gui tool, and ask in #ubuntu
[11:56] <mc44> rob: he's banned from pretty much everywhere
[11:56] <penguincentral> tonyyarusso: jono was trying to keep everyone occupied by telling everyone to type in their location like a mexican wave.
[11:56] <rob> mc44, I know
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> penguincentral: Hmm, not sure.  Anyway, consider it lifted and make sure the read the topic.
[11:57] <penguincentral> and then after a while i tried to bring everyone back to earth, then they banned me *without* warning
[11:57] <penguincentral> thanks tonyyarusso
[11:57] <akrill> heh. ya. lots of banning going on tonight
[11:58] <akrill> kind of sucks, especially since recently i've been an active member of #ubuntu.
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> akrill: Things are a bit different today - back to normal shortly hopefully :)
[11:58] <wii> akrill: never saw u
[11:58] <akrill> wii: im usually on more during the day (its 4AM here)
[11:58] <akrill> tonyyarusso: i hope so :-p
[12:00] <rob> what is up with #ubuntu-party?
[12:01]  * ajmitch shrugs
[12:01] <wii> rob: u trick me there's nothing there
[12:02] <Myrtti> arcad3 is spamming the channels with that url
[12:02] <rob> yes, because you shouldn't be here..
[12:02] <rob> Myrtti, which one?
[12:02] <Myrtti> r.u.c/g whatever
[12:02] <Myrtti> nevermind me
[12:02] <ajmitch> the usual release URL
[12:03] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:03] <rob> oh
[12:04] <no0tic> repositories are ok?
[12:04] <no0tic> should we tell user to upgrade from feisty with repository?
[12:04] <penguincentral> Siropel posted a mirror for gutsy
[12:04] <penguincentral> in party
[12:04] <akrill> mmmmmmmm upgrades
[12:05] <penguincentral> http://azionline.com/ubuntu
[12:05] <Cenarius> i got a problem about ¨stdin¨ , he kicked me out
[12:06] <penguincentral> out of my own curiosity, what are voices?
[12:06] <Cenarius> becouse i was speaking about windows ...
[12:06] <Cenarius> that its not a reason ...
[12:06] <penguincentral> Cenarius: in what context?
[12:06] <Cenarius> i said that ubuntu desktop edition remindes me about windows vista
[12:06] <Cenarius> cuz itś almost the same emviorement
[12:06] <penguincentral> Cenarius: analogies in my opinion are fine to me
[12:07] <penguincentral> guys, what do you think?
[12:07] <stdin> 1st I asked Cenarius to stay one topic, then he said i'm a "bad op", then:
 this ubuntu enviorement remindes me of Windows Vista
[12:07] <stdin>  oh god
[12:07] <stdin>  D:
[12:07] <stdin> so Cenarius was removed
[12:07] <Cenarius> i said just that remindes
[12:08] <Cenarius> what i´ve said bad?
[12:08] <penguincentral> Cenarius: what channel?
[12:08] <Cenarius> kubuntu
[12:08] <ubotu> Skeesh called the ops in #ubuntu-release-party
[12:08] <rob> hmm web site is now saying it is out, but download site is not updated yet
[12:08] <ajmitch> it's great :)
[12:08] <Fujitsu> rob: The website has been reverted now.
[12:09] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it didn't appear to be reverted when I refreshed
[12:09] <rob> Fujitsu, again :)
[12:09] <Fujitsu> I guess the load balancing could be doing that, with only some servers changed.
[12:10] <akrill> wow, the us releases server gets SLAMMED when its released
[12:10] <akrill> insane.
[12:10] <Cenarius> penguincentral: and ? now what ? :-s ... can i join kubuntu again ?
[12:11] <penguincentral> penguincentral: i can't help you there, but I suggest that he is allowed back into kubuntu
[12:11] <penguincentral> Cenarius: you see i don't have a + before my nick, I am just a peace-maker
[12:11] <stdin> Cenarius: you could from the start, you were never banned
[12:11] <akrill> lol
[12:11] <Cenarius> still , you kicked me without any good reason ..
[12:12] <penguincentral> stdin: he IMO has done nothing wrong
[12:12] <stdin> penguincentral: being off topic is a reason top kick
[12:13] <penguincentral> stdin: look, he was just making a comment.  He wasn't asking for help on windows
[12:13] <Cenarius> thanks penguincentral
[12:13] <rob> err ?
[12:14] <stdin> penguincentral: he was warned and ignored it, he was removed then started /msg'ing me, I stand by my decision
[12:14] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  I missed you :D
[12:14] <akrill> heh
[12:14] <ajmitch> Seveas: thanks :)
[12:15] <penguincentral> stdin: he wasn't asking for help, he was only making an analogy about KDE, which I agree with his statement.  KDE has it's similarities to the windows interface.
[12:15] <rob> Seveas, what is the plan?
[12:15] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: just don't leave it too long or they'll expect you to make an announcement ;)
[12:15] <rob> heh
[12:15] <Seveas> :)
[12:15] <penguincentral> yeah
[12:15] <penguincentral> here we go...
[12:15] <akrill> penguincentral: kde looks nothing like vista though. at all. haha. now shush about it, ehheh
[12:15] <stdin> penguincentral: I don't care, he was warned to stay on topic and ignored it
[12:16] <stdin> he got removed, and that's that
[12:16] <penguincentral> ok
[12:16] <penguincentral> i give up, sorry Cenarius.
[12:16] <Cenarius> and thanks penguincentral for helping me out
[12:16] <penguincentral> it's just like saying bomb at an airport, but not talking about terrorism
[12:16] <Cenarius> no problem
[12:16] <penguincentral> Cenarius: any time
[12:16] <penguincentral> :)
[12:16] <Mez> I loev the fac tI'm already running gutsy ;)
[12:16] <Mez> lol
[12:16] <penguincentral> yep
[12:17]  * Mez waits for lsb-release to be updated
[12:18] <mc44> Mez: updated to what?
[12:18] <rob> hmm the downloads page has updated
[12:18] <Mez> not say "development branch"
[12:18] <mc44> er, it doesn't
[12:18] <Fujitsu> Mez: That was done a while ago.
[12:18] <Mez> oh yeah, and /etc/issue/
[12:18] <rob> in fact both the main page and download pages are updated again..
[12:19] <penguincentral> rob: what's changed?
[12:19] <Fujitsu> rob: I suspect only some of the servers have been updated.
[12:19] <Myrtti> ok, I'm now definitely leaving the removing of the link spreaders and all that jazz for someone else at #ubuntu
[12:19] <rob> Fujitsu, yeah I know
[12:19] <rob> Fujitsu, it certainly is upping the hype
[12:20] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> The same thing happened last time.
[12:20] <Seveas> yeah
[12:20] <Seveas> release is imminent
[12:20] <Seveas> and they have no big switch, so things are dripping in
[12:20] <rob> yeah.
[12:21] <penguincentral> so
[12:21] <penguincentral> is it official?
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> no
[12:21] <Seveas> I removed ubotu from the party channel
[12:21] <Seveas> going insane :)
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> ok
[12:21] <rob> Seveas, I'm thinking +F would allow ubotu to keep up, but then it is open to abuse..
[12:22] <Seveas> +F?
[12:22] <rob> no flooding off the network
[12:22] <Seveas> ah
[12:23] <rob> immune to flood protection basically
[12:23] <Seveas> it may be necessary at some point, he's in almost 60 channels now
[12:23] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[12:23] <rob> but then it would allow people to spam the crap out of it and nothing would kick in to stop ubotu replying
[12:23] <penguincentral> well, ubotu serves an important purpose, to save us from ourselves
[12:23] <Fujitsu> Oh, now they've blanked ubuntu.com
[12:23] <rob> heh
[12:24] <rob> good!
[12:24] <rob> :P
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[12:24] <penguincentral> let's get ready to RUMBLE!
[12:24] <ajmitch> so, something probably fell over again
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Wow.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Big difference now.
[12:24] <rob> just getting annoying.
[12:24] <ajmitch> given that drupal was complaining of too many connections to the database earlier
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Up down up down.
[12:25] <ajmitch> rob: remove them all?
[12:25] <mc44> aw well at least they don't need an emergency text page like last time
[12:25] <Fujitsu> mc44: Yet.
[12:25] <mc44> :)
[12:25] <rob> ajmitch, whoever you want
[12:25] <Seeker`> 7.10 links now here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[12:25] <ajmitch> I'm off to bed, really :)
[12:26] <Pici> ooh, limited edition merchandise
[12:26] <Seeker`> looks like the site is all linked up
[12:26] <ajmitch> past midnight, work in the morning, etc
[12:26] <ajmitch> have fun with the mad crowd
[12:26] <penguincentral> this will get interesting
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Night ajmitch.
[12:26] <rob> idlers..
[12:26] <GionnyBoss> I am an #ubuntu-it op. The release is imminent. I would like to insert a topic when Gutsy will be out for #ubuntu-it to suggest the users to use the torrents. Do you think that this link is good: http://montreal.canonical.com/torrents/ ? Or can you suggest me another one
[12:27] <mc44> torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[12:27] <akrill> woot, 7.10 released!
[12:28] <akrill> so um. do i get to go back into #ubuntu and #ubuntu-release-party?
[12:28] <Pici> no?
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[12:28]  * Pici wonders what all these people are doing in -ops
[12:29] <rob> dunno, but is is annoying. The signal to noise ratio is bad enough in the other chan without them coming in here..
[12:29] <rob> so :)
[12:29] <GionnyBoss> mc44: ok thank you
[12:30] <GionnyBoss> isn't there a link to torrents in the official download web page?
[12:30] <Mez> so released now ?
[12:31] <Mez> rob, why was akrill banned ?
[12:31] <rob> dunno, I'll keep an eye out
[12:31] <Mez> * rob sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:31] <Mez> * rob has kicked akrill from #ubuntu-ops (rob)
[12:31] <rob> and he isn't now
[12:31] <mc44> bingo
[12:31] <Myrtti> it's out?
[12:31] <Fujitsu> We're done.
[12:31] <Myrtti> the mailing list says so
[12:32] <mc44> yep
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Yay.
[12:32] <Myrtti> it's done?
[12:32] <Myrtti> \o/
[12:32] <Pici> yay
[12:32]  * Pici had good timing
[12:32] <Seeker`> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[12:33] <Seeker`> wooops
[12:33] <rob> we announcing it then?
[12:33] <Myrtti> THANK YOU GAIA
[12:33] <Seeker`> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-October/000105.html
[12:33] <Fujitsu> rob: It has been done, yes.
[12:34] <rob> okay.
[12:36] <Seveas> I'm going to ignore the party for a while :)
[12:36] <rob> might be a good idea, yeah
[12:38] <effie_jayx> hurts the eyes a bit
[12:40]  * Seeker` cant read that quickly
[12:40] <Myrtti> /me wants alternative torrent link
[12:41] <Myrtti> Finnish mirror link doesn't work
[12:41] <stdin> I can feel the servers straining already
[12:41] <Seeker`> stdin: a disturbance in the force?
[12:42] <stdin> exactly
[12:42] <stdin> it's like a thousand RAID controllers crying out to me
[12:43] <Seeker`> heh
[12:43] <Seeker`> I wonder how much bandwidth will be used in the next 24 hours
[12:43] <rob> a lot
[12:47] <mc44> Myrtti: http://montreal.canonical.com/torrents/ubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:47] <Myrtti> thanks, found them
[12:48] <tonyyarusso> Anyone want to put some MD5s in the topic of urp?
[12:48] <Fujitsu> That might be a good idea.
[12:48] <mc44> d2334dbba7313e9abc8c7c072d2af09c *ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[12:51] <rob> mc44, the xubuntu alternate torrent is not on there, is it out yet?
[12:55] <mc44> rob: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:56] <rob> thanks mc44 :D
[12:57] <PriceChild> hmmm torrent says the tracker is timing out :/
[12:59] <rob> ouch..
[12:59] <PriceChild> Not good :)
[12:59] <mc44> DDoS ;)
[13:00] <PriceChild> must be those bloody ubuntu-uk guys again
[13:00] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Yeah, I blame you!
[13:00] <PriceChild> Yay I just got on... and I'm the only seed with 44 peers so far :/
[13:01] <PriceChild> 125.... :/
[13:02] <PriceChild> Is there a reason I can't see anyone else seeding this thing?
[13:02] <stdin> factoids need updating, like !upgrade and !upgrade-#kubuntu
[13:02] <PriceChild> !upgrade
[13:02] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only
[13:02] <PriceChild> !upgrade
[13:02] <PriceChild> bah
[13:02] <PriceChild> !-upgrade
[13:02] <ubotu> upgrade aliases: upgrading, update, upgrades, dist-upgrade - added by Amaranth on 2006-06-23 08:11:05
[13:02] <PriceChild> !no upgrade is <reply> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[13:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that PriceChild
[13:02] <PriceChild> !upgrade-#kubuntu
[13:03] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[13:03] <PriceChild> why do we have that seperate factoid? :/
[13:03] <PriceChild> Think its ok to alias that to !upgrade?
[13:03] <rob> Seveas, if you had of asked, I could have removed them all in one hit, I have +F :)
[13:04] <Seveas> :)
[13:04] <PriceChild> When was it released btw? half an hour ago?
[13:05] <mc44> PriceChild: Thu Oct 18 12:15:03 BST 2007
[13:05] <PriceChild> coolios
[13:06] <stdin> it was a different factoid when we had to edit our sources.list to upgrade
[13:06] <stdin> it should probably just be removed so #k used the normal !upgrade factoid now
[13:09] <PriceChild> !-upgrade-#kubuntu
[13:09] <ubotu> upgrade-#kubuntu has no aliases - added by LjL on 2006-10-27 23:53:19
[13:10] <PriceChild> !forget upgrade-#kubuntu
[13:10] <ubotu> I'll forget that, PriceChild
[13:14] <Pici> morning jrib
[13:15] <jrib> hey Pici
[13:15] <ubotu> In ubotu, flick2 said: !gutsy is Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) has been released! Download it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/
[13:16] <ubotu> In ubotu, flick2 said: !gutsy is Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). Download it here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/
[13:20] <PriceChild> !gutsy
[13:20] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due some time October 18th, 2007) | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[13:20] <PriceChild> !feisty
[13:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the 6th release of Ubuntu.  Upgrade to Fesity: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/
[13:20] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: !info needs to be changed to default to gutsy
[13:21] <Seveas> aight
[13:21] <Seveas> @config list plugins.encyclopedia
[13:21] <ubotu> #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[13:21] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[13:21] <ubotu> feisty feisty-seveas
[13:21] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder gutsy
[13:21] <ubotu> OK
[13:21] <mc44> PriceChild: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download probably the best link to use
[13:21] <Pici> PriceChild: I'm updating those factoids now.
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> ty
[13:21] <Pici> !gutsy
[13:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !torrents
[13:22] <PriceChild> I was thinking: no gutsy is <reply> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the 7th release of Ubuntu.  Upgrade to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[13:22] <Pici> Well, the feisty factoid used to say latest, not 6th
[13:22] <PriceChild> Maybe change yours to "Please use bittorrent if possible, see !torrents"
[13:22] <PriceChild> ahhh k :)
[13:22] <Pici> PriceChild: go ahead and change it if you want :)
[13:28] <thoreauputic> amazing... all the Aus mirrors are unreachable from here it seems - I can't even get a torrent file!
[13:28]  * thoreauputic scratches his head
[13:28] <Fujitsu> thoreauputic: Yeah, au.r.u.c was down within minutes.
[13:29] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: it's really incredible - I've tried five and all of them either time out or don't have it
[13:29] <Fujitsu> Yeah, they're rather more popular than I expected.
[13:30] <thoreauputic> well, I suppose that's good...
[13:30] <thoreauputic> I just didn't realise that even Ubuntu was that popular
[13:30] <Pici> We've been getting a lot of PR
[13:30] <thoreauputic> yeah
[13:32] <PriceChild> thoreauputic, want me to email you a .torrent or have you got one now?
[13:33] <thoreauputic> Got one from Ireland :)
[13:33] <thoreauputic> Thanks
[13:34] <jdong> aww it's only seeding at 6.50MB/s
[13:34]  * jdong increases upload slots to 50
[13:35] <thoreauputic> hmm tracker is down apparently...
[13:36] <thoreauputic> ah OK now
[13:36] <Fujitsu> It's doing much better than last time, fortunately :)
[13:37] <jdong> I'm on Azureus and Ktorrent(uTorrent/libTorrent) DHT too....
[13:37] <jdong> tracker being down should not be an issue for most modern clients
[13:38] <thoreauputic> jdong: true - tried deluge without success - trying azureus now
[13:38] <Myrtti> bittornado <3
[13:38] <jdong> tracker's even up for me....
[13:39] <PriceChild> jdong, haven't broken a forums record yet
[13:39] <jdong> PriceChild: too early
[13:40] <PriceChild> hehe :P
[13:40] <thoreauputic> getting dht connections only so far
[13:40] <PriceChild> And I assume no problems in #ubuntu yet?
[13:40] <PriceChild> thoreauputic, it'll sort itself out soon, mine did.
[13:40] <thoreauputic> PriceChild: yes, at least it is starting :)
[13:41] <jdong> ah, that's much better; 9.50MB
[13:42] <jdong> thoreauputic: DHT will suffice
[13:42] <jdong> thoreauputic: the instant you connect to another azureus peer, you'll get his entire list of pers
[13:42] <thoreauputic> jdong: tracker is now OK
[13:42] <thoreauputic> jdong: yes, I know - that started it off, now it's accelerating
[13:43] <jdong> 18.55MB/s agregate up on my link....
[13:43]  * jdong trunked 3 ethernet ports in his room together :D
[13:43] <jdong> I'm gonna get so much hate mail from the sysadmins...
[13:46] <jdong> wow I've uploaded over 10GB since I woke up
[13:46] <jdong> grr why isn't this on demonoid ;-)
[13:47] <PriceChild> jdong, put it on ;)
[13:47] <jdong> PriceChild: that's what she said?
[13:48] <PriceChild> jdong, or does it need that file in the torrent still despite it being external?
[13:49] <jdong> I don't know
[13:52] <PriceChild> jdong, they're all already on ;)
[13:52] <jdong> haha
[13:53] <stdin> ooh, sabdfl in -party
[13:54] <jdong> damn you're right
[13:54] <jdong> err pm.
[13:55]  * rob yawns
[13:55] <jdong> lol that was not directed at mark :D
[13:56] <rob> no!
[13:57]  * rob has been here for 18 hours now
[13:57] <jdong> I meant me :)
[13:57] <rob> oh :)
[13:57] <Myrtti> -release-party or -party
[13:57] <Pici> rob: you never left since last night?
[13:57] <stdin> -release-party
[13:57] <rob> Pici, no, only for loo breaks pretty much
[13:57] <rob> irc-overload at the moment
[13:58] <poningru_> can someone tell newz2000 or someone that there is no link to the dvd download on the front page?
[13:58] <poningru_> err from the download page
[13:59] <Pici> poningru_: why does this need to come from an op?
[13:59] <poningru_> cause I cant find him
[13:59] <poningru_> and I assumed one of you guys would know where he is
[13:59] <poningru_> in the intarwebs
[14:01] <Pici> poningru_: /whois newz2000
[14:01] <poningru_> I pinged him dude...
[14:08] <Amaranth> US should be waking up now...
[14:08] <Amaranth> Brace for impact :P
[14:10] <Pici> !ping
[14:11] <rob> ?
[14:11] <rob> oh
[14:11] <rob> :)
[14:11] <Amaranth> wha? 3 updates to gutsy
[14:12] <rob> ripped off :P
[14:12] <Amaranth> oh, kde crap :P
[14:12] <rob> oh, goodo.
[14:12] <Pici> Who do we need to ping to get a new bot?
[14:12] <rob> Pici, what do you mean?
[14:12] <Pici> !test
[14:13] <rob> ah, considering the abuse it has suffered tonight, it deserves a rest
[14:13] <Pici> PriceChild, Seveas, someone, ubotu is dying
[14:13] <jrib> LjL-Temp:
[14:13] <Pici> him too
[14:13] <Pici> nalioth too
[14:14] <rob> all asleep I think, except maybe seveas
[14:14] <LjL-Temp> how is the nick count?
[14:15] <jrib> ~1550
[14:15] <ubot3> Factoid 1550 not found
[14:15] <Pici> 1551
[14:15] <LjL-Temp> pici is it being abused in party?
[14:15] <Pici> Peak for #ubuntu@freenode: 1605 (Thu Oct 18 07:34:17 2007)
[14:16] <Pici> LjL-Temp: Its not even there, someone removed it
[14:16] <Seveas> !ping
[14:16] <Seveas> not again
[14:17] <Seveas> @whoami
[14:18] <Seveas> bugreporter was hanging
[14:18] <ubotu> pong
[14:18] <Pici> here it goes
[14:18] <Pici> yeah...
[14:18] <ubotu> Failed.
[14:18] <ubotu> Seveas
[14:18] <Seveas> going to have to disable taht
[14:18] <Seveas> !ping
[14:18] <ubotu> pong
[14:18] <Pici> everyone says thanks Seveas
[14:25] <Seveas> !ping
[14:25] <ubotu> pong
[14:26] <rob> night guys, have fun :D 18 hours is enough irc for one release
[14:26] <jdong> nifht rob
[14:26] <Pici> rob: thanks, goodnight
[14:26] <rob> there are other freenode staff around if you need them, if they are not on /stats p ask in #freenode
[14:27] <rob> nn
[14:28] <Seveas> @admin ignore add arcil
[14:28] <ubotu> OK
[14:29] <Pici> Seveas: if I may be so curious, what was that about?
[14:30] <Seveas> small log excerpt:
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:20 help called by "arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil".
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:24 help called by "arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil".
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:27 help called by "arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil".
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:41 help called by "arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil".
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:43 Flushers flushed and garbage collected.
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:57 join called by "arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil".
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:57 Preventing arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil from
[14:30] <Seveas>      calling admin.join because of -admin.
[14:30] <Seveas> WARNING 2007-10-18T15:27:57 Denying arcil!n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil for
[14:30] <Seveas>         lacking "admin" capability.
[14:30] <Seveas> INFO 2007-10-18T15:27:57 Checking for new bugs
[14:30] <Pici> tsk tsk
[14:32] <LjL> Seveas: how often have you seen me calling "channels"? :)
[14:32] <Seveas> :)
[14:32] <LjL> except i'm just trying to call the *factoid*, but of course it doesn't like it without the !
[14:32] <Seveas> channels
[14:32] <Seveas> @channels
[14:33] <Pici> Would you normally have even caught that? Or were you only looking at the log because the bot is a little wonky today?
[14:33] <LjL> so we haven't reached 1600, seems my bet is going to be wrong
[14:33] <LjL> Pici: he catches everything.
[14:33] <jrib> LjL: what did you bet?
[14:33] <rob> because of #ubuntu-release-party no doubt
[14:34] <Pici> LjL: Peak for #ubuntu@freenode: 1605 (Thu Oct 18 07:34:17 2007)
[14:34] <LjL> jrib: between 1600 and 1700. someone asked for bets :)
[14:34] <rob> been good though, controlled mayhem
[14:34] <LjL> Pici: ah, then i win.
[14:34]  * rob really goes to bed this time
[14:34] <Pici> thats 2 hours ago :)
[14:34] <LjL> night rob
[14:34] <LjL> Pici: well it counts
[14:34] <jrib> well it's still too early in the US
[14:34] <rob> yep
[14:35] <jrib> I'll say ~1800
[14:36] <LjL> jrib: then i'd lose again
[14:36] <Pici> I said ~1950 yesterday, but I think I'm going for 1750 now
[14:44] <LjL> !no torrents is <reply> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Gutsy: http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/release/ (DVDs) - Please download using the torrents if you can!
[14:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[14:45] <Pici> Not many people in france using linux?
[14:45] <LjL> Pici: i picked one at random. i put se.* on the -party topic
[14:45] <LjL> they're certainly all less loaded than the main mirror
[14:46] <Pici> Indeed, indeed.
[14:46] <Seveas> nl. and se. are good
[14:47] <Seveas> fr. is less good
[14:47] <LjL> !no downloads is <reply> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Gutsy, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[14:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about downloads yet, LjL
[14:47] <Pici> I thought is was something particularly special or not special about the french
[14:47] <LjL> Seveas: as long as it's just for getting the torrent
[14:47] <LjL> at least it *loads*
[14:47] <LjL> Pici, yeah, i want to see their darn frog eating mirror go DOWN
[15:34] <LjL> priorra spammed -party, i banned, and he/she immediately joined #ubuntu then (and PMd me saying nonsense)
[15:34] <LjL> what does one do in such cases? i'm tempted to ban from #ubuntu too before they get a chance to replicate the spamming
[15:35] <PriceChild> I'm back for :)
[15:35] <jdong> LjL: IMO a ban for general misbehavior in one channel is implicitly global across *buntu*
[15:35] <PriceChild> !test
[15:35] <ubotu> Failed.
[15:36] <LjL> jdong: we mostly tended to apply the opposite rule in the past
[15:36] <nalioth> LjL: #ubuntu-release-party is a lot looser than #ubuntu
[15:36] <LjL> nalioth: doesn't mean one should be allowed to flood with several lines of exclamation marks
[15:37] <jdong> LjL: what's the rationale for the other way? If I spam channel A and get banned, what is the reason why I woudln't do the same to channel B?
[15:38] <LjL> jdong: i don't know, but we just never banned globally unless we *got* misbehavior in more than one channel. and it does happen that trolls stay quiet in *another* channel (although it might well be that they're just waiting a little)
[15:39] <LjL> and in any case, i think i'll unban priorra even from -party... i'm too easily convinced by pms.
[15:39] <nalioth> LjL: you said "spam" (i assumed spam to be "Hey, join #mychannel" or "hey, buy viagra at www.cheapviagra.com"
[15:39] <LjL> nalioth: uhm, "spam" originally meant saying
[15:39] <LjL> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
[15:39] <LjL> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
[15:39] <LjL> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
[15:39] <LjL> if i'm not very much mistaken :)
[15:40] <jdong> flood :)
[15:40]  * jdong /runs figlet.pl
[15:40] <LjL> jdong: yeah, on irc we tend to call that particular kind of spam flooding, but it's still spam
[15:40] <jdong> true
[15:40] <LjL> just a term stemming from technical irc limitations
[15:44] <Seeker`> has it calmed down yet?
[15:44] <Pici> not really
[15:44] <Seeker`> dont these people ahve homes to go to ?
[15:45] <Pici> Seeker`: Well everyone is installing now and asking questions
[15:57] <PriceChild> *disappears for a little*
[16:07] <jdong> *sigh* for the record, can we make it policy that unless otherwise instructed, you should only be suggesting upgrade methods listed in http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:07] <jdong> update-manager-* keeps excellent logs, pulls the right metapackages, etc
[16:08] <mc44> that's already the case, no?
[16:08] <Jucato> hm.. how do you teach ubotu new factoids again?
[16:08] <Pici> jdong: Thats all I've been suggesting.  And trying to correct people who suggest changing sources etc.
[16:08] <mc44> jdong: we only support supported upgrade methods :)
[16:09] <jdong> I am going to start removing people in #uf who insist on unsupported upgrade methodology
[16:09] <Pici> !upgrade
[16:09] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[16:10] <jdong> should we change that to the ubuntu.com one?
[16:10] <mc44> jdong: it links to the same info
[16:11] <Jucato> Pici: excuse me, how do you teach ubotu a new factoid again?
[16:11]  * Jucato forgot...
[16:11] <nalioth> Jucato: !foo is bar
[16:12] <Jucato> nalioth: in a PM?
[16:12] <Pici> Jucato: !foo is <reply> The Foo is something
[16:12] <stdin> anywhere ubotu is
[16:12] <Pici> or just !foo is bar if you dont care that it starts with foo is
[16:12] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't work in a PM... oh well, pardon the comercial
[16:12] <jdong> mc44: ok, good enough
[16:12] <Jucato> !dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueroryour default file manager again, go to Konqueror -> Settings menu -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:13] <stdin> I think the '>' character is confusing it
[16:13] <jdong> Jucato: <reply>?
[16:13] <stdin> try <reply>
[16:13] <Pici> jdong: you dont need the reply.
[16:13] <Jucato> I'll remove the >
[16:13] <stdin> Jucato: use → :)
[16:15] <Jucato> stdin: you were right about the >. all's fine now
[16:15] <Jucato> sorry for the interruption jdong :)
[16:15] <jdong> haha, no problem
[16:15] <stdin> I remember something similar happening with '|'
[16:16] <Jucato> stdin: dolphin and d3lphin factoids now up
[16:16] <Jucato> nalioth, Pici: thanks :)
[16:16] <stdin> I'm guessing we'll be using them a lot :p
[16:16] <nalioth> d3lphin ?
[16:17] <Jucato> yeah. it's actually the version of dolphin we're using in Kubuntu. (dolphin for KDE 3)
[16:17] <Jucato> stdin: I'm anticipating it... saw someone in the forums asking how... and he was answered with "uninstall dolphin" :)
[16:18] <stdin> and the several threads on kubuntu-users@
[16:18] <stdin> like the "Kill the dolphin" one :p
[16:18] <Jucato> hehe :)
[16:18] <Jucato> (probably my favorite :P)
[16:40] <Pici> !test
[16:40] <ubotu> Failed.
[16:54] <Amaranth> !dolphin
[16:54] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueroryour default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[16:54] <Amaranth> weird
[16:56] <Pici> why?
[17:05] <stdin> "Konqueroryour" should be Konqueror
[17:05] <stdin> * Konqueror you *
[17:05] <stdin> damn, that's still not right :p
[17:05] <Amaranth> It's too calm
[17:06] <Pici> !dolphin =~ s/Konqueroryour/Konqueror your/
[17:06] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[17:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !no dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, in Konqueror, Settings menu → Configure Konqueror → File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin
[17:06] <Amaranth> When was the last time someone called for us?
[17:06] <stdin> is more like it
[17:07] <Amaranth> !dolphin =~ s/-/→/
[17:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[17:07] <mc44> Amaranth: all the trolls are too busy installing :)
[17:07] <Amaranth> !dolphin
[17:07] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[17:07] <Amaranth> oh, i suck at sed
[17:07] <Pici> me too
[17:07] <Amaranth> need /g, right?
[17:07] <Amaranth> !dolphin =~ s/-/→/g
[17:07] <ubotu> Missing end delimiter
[17:07] <Amaranth> no, that's not right
[17:07] <Pici> I tried that with something else and it didnt work
[17:07] <Amaranth> maybe ubotu is broken? i thought that'd work
[17:08] <Pici> !dolphin =~ sg/-/→/
[17:08]  * Pici shrugs
[17:17] <stdin> ok, along with !dolphin, can you fix !purekde for me too? ;)
[17:17] <stdin> !purekde
[17:17] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[17:17] <stdin> needs a <reply>
[17:23] <stdin> !ping
[17:23] <jdong> is there a !puregnome for !kdepurgatory too?
[17:24] <stdin> well, I didn't make the wiki page for them, so no :)
[17:24] <stdin> bot seems dead tho
[17:24]  * jdong edits KDEPurgatory
[17:24] <jdong> :D
[17:24]  * stdin poke at ubotu to see if it flinches
[17:26] <stdin> Seveas, nalioth, LjL: any of you around? ubotu seems dead
[17:27] <jdong> ubotu: duck soup is delicious
[17:27] <jdong> yep he's dead
[17:27] <Seveas> hmm
[17:27] <ubotu> pong
[17:28] <stdin> or seriously lagged
[17:28] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jdong said: ubotu: duck soup is delicious
[17:28] <Amaranth> seriously lagged
[17:28] <Seveas> the latter
[17:28] <jdong> err, he's alive
[17:28] <Seveas> one of the plugins is blocking him
[17:28] <Amaranth> I can understand, a single screen in #ubuntu is less than a minute
[17:28] <Seveas> neh, that's not it
[17:34] <Amaranth> uh oh
[17:34] <Amaranth> guys
[17:34] <Amaranth> ban list is full
[17:34] <Amaranth> !ops
[17:34] <ubotu> Help!  :P
[18:03] <ubotu> Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu
[18:03] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu
[18:13] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, siriusnova said: ubotu what is the meaning of life?
[18:14] <ubotu> In ubotu, zylche said: ubotu zylche is test
[18:14] <Pici> ...
[18:14] <zylche> Sorry there. Testing syntax.
[18:14] <Pici> understood
[18:15] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, DaSkreech said: !kompiz is Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:15] <DaSkreech> HI
[18:15] <DaSkreech> just added a factiod
[18:15] <DaSkreech>  can I get the resolution passed?
[18:16] <stdin> how about having that as !compiz-#kubuntu ?
[18:16] <DaSkreech> Sure
[18:17] <DaSkreech> I just wnated something quick
[18:17] <Myrtti> sounds like a good idea
[18:17] <DaSkreech>  I foresee that question being asked all day
[18:17] <DaSkreech> Might want to append #ubuntu-effects to that as well then
[18:17] <Seveas> !compiz-#kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:17] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[18:18] <Seveas> DaSkreech, #ubuntu-effects is dead
[18:18] <DaSkreech> Oh?
[18:18] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[18:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[18:18] <DaSkreech> \o/
[18:18] <DaSkreech> But now we have to deal with compiz issues Drat
[18:18] <stdin> send them all to #compiz-fusion :p
[18:28] <Pici> !ping
[18:29] <ubotu> pong
[18:29] <Amaranth> Lunch time
[18:29] <Amaranth> Someone else take over :)
[18:29] <mc44> #
[18:29] <mc44> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[18:29] <mc44> #
[18:29] <mc44> #deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[18:29] <mc44> oops
[18:29] <mc44> er, wrong channel. But anyone seen that before?
[18:30] <Pici> No...
[18:31] <stdin> global answer: Try another mirror
[18:32] <mc44> yes, just an odd cause of people not being able to install from main after a fresh install
[18:33] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[18:34] <Myrtti> now that the worst is hopefully over, I'd like to mention one little thing that annoyed me today
[18:35] <Myrtti> or actually, I'll wait with it for a moment
[18:48] <Myrtti> ahem
[18:48] <Myrtti> I noticed something today on #ubuntu-release-party that didn't make me a happy camper
[18:49] <Myrtti> I was too busy trying to keep #ubuntu from falling apart, so I didn't raise the issue then
[18:50] <Myrtti> but I really, really disliked Amaranths request for everyone from Australia to yell "boobies" there right after jono's mexican wave
[18:50] <pleia2> Myrtti: +1
[18:50] <Myrtti> REALLY *disliked* it.
[18:51] <pleia2> I really don't think this is appropriate behavior for an Ubuntu Member, and certainly not for a channel op
[18:52] <Amaranth> Hello, joke.
[18:52] <pleia2> Amaranth: Hello, not funny.
[18:52] <Myrtti> a     joke
[18:52] <Amaranth> Too bad, I thought it was.
[18:53] <Amaranth> I'm not even going to go through this one again.
[18:53]  * Amaranth goes to do _productive_ things
[18:53] <Myrtti> uhhhhkkay.
[18:53] <Myrtti> So mind if I raise the issue on the mailing list?
[18:54] <PriceChild> Myrtti, hey there.
[18:54] <Amaranth> Whatever you think you need to do
[18:54] <Myrtti> hello Pricey
[18:54] <PriceChild> Myrtti, I'd rather everyone tried to discuss this here for the time being...   People need to behave, especially ubuntu members and especially if they are ops
[18:57] <Seveas> you need to set an example of what is and what is not good behaviour
[18:57] <Amaranth> Seveas: And that is not their complaint
[18:58] <Seveas> shouting 'BOOBIES' like a 12 year old doofus isn't
[18:58] <Seveas> Amaranth, that is *my* complaint.  Can I pm you and trust that it'll stay between us? :)
[19:01] <pleia2> I am not sure what he thought our complaint was, I completely agree with Seveas :)
[19:01] <PriceChild> Seveas, lol :)
[19:01] <Myrtti> I must've warped to another dimenzhon
[19:01] <PriceChild> pleia2, I think he was of the opinion that your complaint on the basis of sexist was not justified... and therefore whether or not it is wrong for any other reason is irrelevant.
[19:02] <Seveas> pleia2, some women from #ubuntu-women tend to overreact on these things
[19:02] <pleia2> PriceChild: heh, gotcha
[19:02] <pleia2> Seveas: I agree
[19:02] <Seveas> amaranth on his turn overreacts on women from #ubuntu-women
[19:02] <pleia2> unfortunate
[19:03] <Myrtti> /me ponders her own behaviour
[19:03] <Pici> The way I see it. If someone had joined right when he said it, would they be completely turned off to Ubuntu?  Its the stance I use for anything said in the channels.
[19:03] <Seveas> I hate the typical feminist linux-women women (not accusing anyone here of being one!)
[19:03] <Myrtti> /me is...
[19:03] <Myrtti> /me runs
[19:03] <Seveas> sadly, those women seem to yell a lot in the -women groups
[19:03] <Pici> Seveas: Its the same for any group of people that has fanatics, women or not.
[19:03] <Seveas> Myrtti, :)
[19:03] <pleia2> Seveas: I've had a few discussions with Jono about it, us moderates need to be louder to drown out the zealots ;)
[19:03] <Seveas> true
[19:04] <Seveas> pleia2, good!
[19:04] <Myrtti> I'm too tired to yell, and too complacent with my current situation as a female member of our community
[19:04]  * pleia2 hugs Myrtti
[19:04] <Myrtti> we in Finland are having it good
[19:05] <PriceChild> I'm talking to amaranth atm.
[19:05]  * Pici is kind of embarrassed
[19:05] <Seveas> Pici, you looked in the mirror?
[19:05] <Myrtti> I would've let it pass if it were any other channel, any other day, any other (non-op) person
[19:06] <Pici> Seveas: Nah, just that the even happened at all, it doesnt make us look good.
[19:06] <Myrtti> but the combination is horrible
[19:06] <Pici> Maybe embarrassed is the wrong word.
[19:07] <Myrtti> I'm getting heartburn
[19:08]  * tonyyarusso just woke up
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> Pici: what's going on now?
[19:09] <Pici> tonyyarusso: Amaranth told everyone in the US to shout boobies in u-r-p
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> Aaaah, that
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> yes, saw that
[19:09] <Pici> And didn't take well to the criticism
[19:09] <Myrtti> Pici: AU
[19:09] <Myrtti> ;-)
[19:10] <tonyyarusso> Still kinda hoping someone will just tell me his friend walked in and took over the keyboard while he got a snack, but....
[19:10] <Pici> tonyyarusso: I know the feeling
[19:11] <Myrtti> I personally hope I was just transported to anutha dimenzhun then
[19:15] <Amaranth> PriceChild: I'll just talk to them directly, I'm a little calmer now
[19:15]  * Amaranth waits for signon lag to go away
[19:15] <PriceChild> Thanks Amaranth.
[19:16] <Amaranth> Ok then, how much did PriceChild relay to you? :P
[19:17] <PriceChild> Just mentioned I was talking to you.
[19:17] <Amaranth> Ok
[19:17] <Amaranth> Well, I'm better at responding to people than starting so if no one brings it up...
[19:18] <pleia2> Amaranth: I don't really have anything to add beyond what Seveas said
[19:19] <Myrtti> I just said that if it were another day, another channel and non-op saying it, I wouldn't have raised an issue. And I didn't expect such a reaction from you, I just wanted to discuss/mention it.
[19:19] <Myrtti> just to point out that I didn't really like it, nothing more than that.
[19:20] <Amaranth> Honestly at the time I was just going with the rush
[19:20] <Amaranth> ack
[19:21] <Amaranth> Ok, someone just scanned me
[19:21] <Amaranth> My router sucks and crashes when you hit it with nmap
[19:21] <Amaranth> It just crashed...
[19:21] <Pici> Amaranth: we still see you
[19:21] <Seveas> Amaranth, get a better router ;)
[19:22] <Amaranth> Yeah, because I jumped up, ran across the house, and unplugged it real quick
[19:22] <jdong> Amaranth: your router dies with nmap??
[19:22] <Amaranth> So for you I just stopped responding, for me I got 70 seconds lag
[19:22] <Amaranth> jdong: Sadly
[19:22] <jdong> haha
[19:22] <Amaranth> That's why I randomly drop
[19:23] <Amaranth> I've got another one, just not here
[19:23] <Amaranth> Anyhow..
[19:23] <Amaranth> I said what I wanted to say, you said what you wanted to say, seems no one wants to argue over either point so I guess that's over
[19:24] <Myrtti> I just wish (and being a busy person beyond belief) I wouldn't have to witness such a thing in the future
[19:24] <Amaranth> Myrtti: No promises
[19:24] <Myrtti> and that didn't make sense and I'm too tired to care
[19:24] <Myrtti> about it not making sens
[19:24] <Myrtti> e
[19:24] <Seveas> Amaranth, I hope you at least see why we think it was inappropriate. Prefeably you'd also agree but we can't win'em all
[19:25] <Amaranth> Seveas: I see why, I don't agree based on the atmosphere of the channel
[19:25] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, watch your invites :)
[19:25] <Amaranth> I mean, just before that jono was telling someone he was the greatest person on earth or something :p
[19:27] <Amaranth> And I know that's actually true but still, crazy stuff going on.
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> Well, that's not in o4o territory though.
[19:27] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: He was being a bit of a prick about it :)
[19:49] <ubotu> Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu
[19:50] <ompaul> Pici, :P
[19:50] <Pici> ompaul: hi!
[19:51] <ompaul> Pici, np
[19:52] <ompaul> gone away for food
[21:07] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[21:07] <stdin> beta3 is out ^
[21:07] <Myrtti> !kde4
[21:07] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[21:08] <Myrtti> oh... yes.
[21:08] <Myrtti> sorry, my bad.