[01:56] <infinity> smoser: So... What are you doing on first boot to change the filesystem?
[04:10] <pitti> Good morning
[04:41] <cyphermox> pitti: morning
[07:01] <smb> pitti, Morning. I hate to be the anal guy, but... any thoughts about the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>changes I was looking at? bug 1466790
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <pitti> smb: still on my TODO, haven't forgotten
[07:23] <smb> pitti, Ok, thanks. It might be helpful in other ways than the specific bug I reported. At least I think it might. But that slightly different handling of sub-processes of processes started with ExecStart compared to ExecStart(Pre|Post) feels like it could cause weird things
[07:24] <pitti> smb: I have some other bug reports in Debian about ifup@; I need to take some time to analyze them all, probably they are related
[07:25] <smb> pitti, I can imagine. It seems like anything triggered by an ifup call in ExecStartPost will be suffering. That includes dhclient but also ntpdate
[07:31] <pitti> smb: right, ExecStart{Pre,Post} must not start anything long-running
[07:31] <pitti> smb: so I suppose I need to put both ifup's into ExecStart
[07:32] <smb> pitti, Right, that was my proposal (actually put all 3 calls into ExecStart and explicitly mark the service as type=oneshot)
[07:33] <pitti> smb: we used to have oneshot, but that's not correct either as it blocks the boot if ifup hangs (slow DHCP, missing cable, etc.)
[07:34] <smb> pitti, Hm but at least from the man page multiple ExecStart are only allowed for oneshot
[07:34] <pitti> smb: right, but that's not a serious limitation
[07:35] <pitti> smb: ExecStart=/bin/sh -c 'if ifquery; ... ifup auto; ifup allow-hotplug;'
[07:35] <smb> pitti, The other option might be to move back to the Vivid style maybe (and have one ExecStart with a shell command executing the 3 commands...
[07:35] <smb> Oh yes, that. :)
[07:35] <pitti> right, I'll probably do that, and check history why I changed it
[07:35] <pitti> but I want to take some time to properly understand and test this in different scenarios
[07:37] <smb> Ok, sure. Just had the feeling that maybe other instances too may have missed the implications of "must not start long running"
[07:39] <smb> Somehow to me that means the command should not take long to run, not that it is not allowed to start something in the background
[07:48] <infinity> pitti: Can we sort out how to make "test logs" linked to by debci have proper content encoding headers so my web browser unzips them instead of forcing me to download them and unzip them manually?
[07:49] <pitti> infinity: incidentally, the remaining TODO on https://git.launchpad.net/~pitti/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/tree/TODO :)
[07:50] <pitti> infinity: that's not debci, it's swift; I'll look into that
[07:50] <infinity> pitti: Right, hence why I said "linked to from", not "served by". :)
[07:50] <pitti> anyway, IKWYM
[07:50] <infinity> pitti: Though, some httpd implementations will serve the right mime-type if you just fudge the filename as foo.txt.gz
[07:51] <infinity> pitti: Which, if it would, could avoid arguing with the server itself.
[08:02] <SpamapS> cjwatson: thanks! I'll explore adding a /boot capability to my image builder instead. :)
[08:05] <doko> siretart, aspectc++ ping
[08:19] <pitti> wow, at first I thought I had a bug in autopkgtesting, but https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ruby-rails-assets-markdown-it--markdown-it-for-inline actually exists
[08:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> ginggs, congrats for the AM approved :)
[09:00] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg1: How's vbox 5.0 looking to you then? ;P
[09:10] <pitti> infinity: filed as bug 1474271 FYI
[09:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> Unit193, ready to upload, we are discussing if unstable or experimental
[09:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> for sure I'll ask for an Ubuntu sync, if it lands in experimental :)
[09:30] <seb128> hum, language-pack-touch-zh-hans is blocked in wily-proposed because of a Boottest regression which seems to be flackyness again, could somebody retry it?
[09:38] <Laney> seb128: AFAIK you should have the permission to do that
[09:39] <Laney> but it looks like infinity already got there
[09:39] <seb128> k, going to try next time
[09:39] <seb128> I was on the public jenkins, I guess I need the private one to retry?
[09:40] <Laney> If you go to http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Wily/view/BootTest/job/wily-boottest-language-pack-touch-zh-hans/ and log in you should see a "Build Now" which does it
[09:41] <Laney> pitti: sort of related, does your new autopkgtest infrastructure let anyone retry tests? :)
[09:41] <Laney> hopefully not *anyone*, YKWIM
[09:42] <pitti> Laney: not right now; you need the AMQP credentials for that and be in the data center
[09:43] <pitti> Laney: I'll create some convenience script on snakefruit, or ubuntu-archive-tools or something
[09:44] <pitti> Laney: btw, as I'll be on holidays next week, would you have half an hour or so for me to give you a quick tour about it?
[09:44] <pitti> Laney: i. e. some minimal worker admin in case this stuff hits a bug
[09:45] <Laney> Ah right - hopefully the goal is to let all uploaders do that
[09:45] <Laney> pitti: 'kay, in an hour or so?
[09:45] <pitti> Laney: sounds good
[09:45] <pitti> Laney: just in case I need to sort out stuff with IS, can you ssh wendigo.canonical.com?
[09:48] <Laney> pitti: yeah, and I seem to have access to prod-ues-proposed-migration
[09:48] <pitti> Laney: alright, then you are all set
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: sent a cal appointment with a hangout, please feel free to move it around as you see fit
[09:50] <Laney> ack, just want to not lose my brain state
[10:46] <pitti> infinity: meh, I give up on bug 1474271 for now :/
[10:50] <pragomer> I am remastering Ubuntu with package wireshark. On the live cd I get permission error /usr/bin/dumpcap. I found this solution when I execute it on the live system: http://pastebin.com/JttCCLKD   But when remastering usermod says, in the chroot, MYUSERNAME does not exist. How else can I solve this?
[10:53] <cjwatson> You'd need to put it in a casper-bottom script in the initramfs - the live user is created at boot time
[10:54] <pragomer> ah ok. this was also the direction of my thoughts cjwatson.. doing it in the the init script.. so casper-bottom is a stage where the user is already built?
[10:56] <cjwatson> pragomer: it's created in 25adduser there, so anything after 25 should be fine
[12:13] <arges> pitti: not sure who I should be talking to, but for the autopkgtests run by ubuntuci. Who should I ask to unblock ddebs.ubuntu.com ?
[12:13] <arges> It causes my crash autopkgtest to fail.
[12:15] <Mirv> FYI some more Qt packaging moved to Debian git, so now moved are: qtbase, qtdeclarative, qt3d, qtlocation (+ all that are synced as is). I keep http://is.gd/Q5huYG doc up to date (linked to also from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting)
[12:16] <pragomer> cjwatson: thank you very much
[12:53] <pitti> arges: sorry, WDYM by "unblock"?
[13:12] <arges> pitti: i know there was discussion about the ubuntu tests only having internet access to the archive. I wonder if ddebs.ubuntu.com access is blocked (as it seems from looking at the log)
[13:14] <smoser> infinity, nothing is happening on first boot. the script there shows everyything, entirely automated failure.
[13:14] <smoser> s/nothing/nothing of particular interest/
[13:14] <smoser> not even apt-get upgrade or anything.
[13:15] <pitti> arges: ooh! you mean the source package "crash"?
[13:15] <pitti> arges: I had some trouble parsing that sentence, now it makes much more sense :)
[13:15] <arges> pitti: yes
[13:15] <arges> pitti: : )
[13:15] <pitti> arges: I see it in the logs of http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/crash/wily/amd64/ too, I'll have a look
[13:16] <pitti> apparently we can't exclude *.ubuntu.com in $no_proxy, this one does need a proxy
[13:23] <infinity> smoser: Well, something must be happening to it, or the second boot would be the same as the first...
[13:24] <smoser> agreed. i can give you access to diamond if you'd like.
[13:31] <infinity> smoser: I'm assuming either the PReP partition or the partition table in general is being broken.  Hard to say which.  Unless qemu itself is breaking your image for you, which seems unlikely.
[13:31] <smoser> i'm suspecting growpart right now. checking that.
[13:32] <Daviey> [A
[13:32] <Daviey> [A
[13:33] <infinity> Daviey: Go on, say [A again.  I dare  you.
[13:33] <Daviey> [A
[13:34] <infinity> Oh.  Well done, then.
[13:34] <smoser> it would seem to be growpart related . :-(.
[13:35] <Daviey> [A
[13:35] <Daviey> [A
[13:36]  * smoser tries to imagine what emotion that is.
[13:38] <Daviey> Sorry all, having odd locale problems.. generating odd control characters on pg/up.
[15:30] <seb128> does anyone know who handles http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs ?
[15:30] <seb128> that gives a permission error
[15:32] <teward> seb128: perhaps poke -irc, but i think they've had issues with the bots lately?
[15:37] <seb128> teward, did that (as you noticed on the other channel, thanks ;-)
[15:38] <teward> :)
[16:53] <ScottK> It should be possible to get qscintilla2 and a stack of other packages to migrate with a few no change uploads, FYI.
[17:27] <infinity> slangasek: Do you know what the ddebs.u.c lag is, compared to archive.u.c?
[17:27] <infinity> slangasek: (ie: how long after publishing a deb should I expect to wait for a ddeb?)
[17:28] <slangasek> infinity: afraid not, no.  bdmurray, do you know?
[17:31] <bdmurray> infinity, slangasek: I do not know.
[17:31] <infinity> Check.
[17:31] <infinity> I could try to divine from the code, but I'm not that impatient to know the answer.
[17:54] <roaksoax> /w/win 9
[18:20] <mwenning> hi guys is there an irc channel for lxd?
[18:22] <stgraber> mwenning: #lxcontainers
[18:22] <stgraber> (same as lxc, cgmanager, lxcfs, ...)
[18:47] <cjwatson> $ ssh -t germanium sudo -iu ddebs crontab -l | grep 'ddeb-retriever --quiet today'
[18:47] <cjwatson> 40 */2 * * * ~/ddeb-retriever/ddeb-retriever --quiet today
[18:47] <cjwatson> infinity: ^-
[18:48] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I know.
[18:48] <infinity> cjwatson: You'll note I logged in well before you did. ;)
[18:49] <cjwatson> I didn't note that, note the lack of interactive shell above :)
[18:49] <infinity> cjwatson: NOTE HARDER.
[18:50] <infinity> cjwatson: The more interesting thing I'm confused by now is that the latest ddeb-retriever run appears to have decided that wily has no kernels.
[18:50] <infinity> Not sure what to make of that.
[18:51] <cjwatson> Maybe only on some arches?
[18:52] <infinity> cjwatson: I'd like to think we have kernels on all arches.
[18:52] <cjwatson> Yeah :)
[18:52] <cjwatson> Anyway, late meeting tonight, so I was doing some of that not working thing.
[18:52] <infinity> I approve of this message.
[18:54] <infinity> cjwatson: Huh.  You're right.  Only on some arches.  Curious.    Wait.  That timestamp windowing you and pitti worked out for only grabbing builds from X to Y.  Is that build completion date or build accept date?
[18:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Cause I'm now thinking that leaving an amd64 build in UNAPPROVED for more than a day might have fooled ddeb-retriever's tiny brain.
[18:57] <infinity> In fact, I'm sure that's what happened...
[18:57] <cjwatson> Hm.
[18:57] <cjwatson> BPPH creation date.
[18:58] <cjwatson> Which you'd think would be accept date.
[18:58] <cjwatson> But you can manually stuff a different timestamp in and it'll try again.
[18:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I'll do that.
[18:59] <infinity> cjwatson: But out of curiosity, what's the BPPH creation date for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.0.0-4.7/+build/7636518 ?
[18:59] <infinity> FInished building on the 9th, but I only accepted it yesterday.
[18:59] <infinity> Guessing the date is the 9th.
[19:04] <cjwatson> infinity: 2015-07-14 17:05:58.537532+00:00
[19:04] <infinity> cjwatson: Okay, very confused.  I guess I need to read this code. :/
[19:07] <cjwatson> infinity: You sure another today run wouldn't have sorted it out?  I'm thinking maybe there's a race with BPPHs that have been dominated or something
[19:07] <cjwatson> Pretty difficult to tell without logging, though.
[19:07] <infinity> cjwatson: I've done a few more today runs with no luck.  But, there's a threshold file that makes it skip ahead.
[19:08] <infinity> cjwatson: So, it might have raced a bit, then skipped ahead.
[19:08] <cjwatson> There's a one-hour grace period on that threshold, which ought to be enough.
[19:08] <infinity> INFO: Retrieving Launchpad publications since 2015-07-14 17:53:13+00:00
[19:09] <infinity> Clearly too late.
[19:10]  * infinity knocks it back two hours and tries again.
[19:10] <cjwatson> Right, but a previous run ought to have covered it at least once.  Weird.
[19:13] <infinity> cjwatson: Huh.  And now I'm stumped.  Even that didn't download the amd64 kernel ddebs.
[19:16] <infinity> cjwatson: Even weirder (and this doesn't seem possible), one armhf ddeb is there, but not both...
[19:17] <infinity> slangasek: Remember when you offered to look at this? :P
[19:18] <infinity> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11879214/
[19:19] <infinity> slangasek: The missing amd64 ddebs make "sense", in that a whole build is gone, though I can't figure out how to force ddeb-retriever to find it.
[19:19] <infinity> slangasek: But the armhf thing is even weirder.  generic-lpae is there, but generic is missing.  How does half a build go missing?
[19:20] <cjwatson> Is it maybe failing to associate them with the deb partners?
[19:20] <cjwatson> There's some fairly baroque code for that IIRC
[19:21] <infinity> cjwatson: But only for this one version?
[19:21] <cjwatson> Yeah, that's odd.  Crank up logging and trawl through the output?
[19:21] <cjwatson> --verbose
[19:23] <infinity> That was a lot more verbose than I'd expected...
[19:33] <infinity> cjwatson: No mention of the missing kernels in a verbose log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11879283/
[19:34] <infinity> Oh, but my time hack got reverted.
[19:34]  * infinity undoes that and tries harder.
[19:39] <slangasek> oh man, you have time hacks?!
[19:39] <slangasek> I want time hacks
[19:42] <infinity> slangasek: It's not nearly as cool as the movies make it sound.
[19:55] <carlgeorge> Rackspace is looking for a Linux Engineer with experience building Ubuntu and/or Debian packages.  http://rackspace.jobs/san-antonio-tx/ubuntu-linux-engineer/2532116AFB2B4E7093C154362DFB5F5B/job/
[20:22] <slangasek> mdeslaur: is there any chance you could help with bug #1474541?
[20:26] <mdeslaur> slangasek: hrm, I'll take a look at it tomorrow
[20:28] <slangasek> mdeslaur: thanks :)
[21:15] <xnox> slangasek: i hope you are not jealous =)
[21:16] <xnox> slangasek: http://spi-inc.org/corporate/votes/2015-board-election/
[21:18] <Unit193> xnox: "Congrats"? :)
[21:22] <xnox> Unit193: thanks.
[21:29] <slangasek> xnox: I was just celebrating here that you got the position so I didn't have to
[21:29] <slangasek> :)
[21:31] <xnox> slangasek: ;-) if you have any requests or insight, i'm all ears.


[08:27] <ashes> hello
[08:28] <ashes> i don't know ubuntu internals well. i'm running a custom kernel, to get samba support, on my trimslice. i want to blacklist kernel updates from apt-get upgrade, and i'll maintain it myself
[09:16] <janimo> slangasek, since many sys values are only created on demand, inotify does not make sense on most part of sysfs
[09:16] <janimo> as for /proc  I think
[16:32] <Ethernin> ?
[18:05] <virnik> hello, can I ask for help here? I run cheap ChipBox A10 laptop, 1GHz singlecore. I was searching any systemy which will be able to flash via installer to NAND. Now I have mele distro flashed... the problem is, it is headles, I have no lcd support. So is there any SD-bootable img of ubuntu around, able to flash itself to nand via installer, and set correct resolution?
[18:05] <virnik> it´s product name was SoftwinerEvbV13
[18:05] <virnik> and there was Android ICS 4.0.3 installed
[18:07] <ptl> I am sort of "collecting" ARm devices to play with. I already have Nexux 7 with Ubuntu, two CuBoxes, one UG802, one ODROID X2, one Minix Neo X5. Should I buy a Pandaboard or its time has passed?
[18:09] <virnik> I think mine is Pandoraboard based...but I am new to Arm linux, except for android...but I am well oriented in linux on pc.
[20:51] <virnik> is there any arm ubuntu NAND distro except for mele? mele works, but it does not lid screen on. I have cheap A10 Boxchip (SoftwinerEvbV13) laptop. Mele ubuntu distro is fine, it works even from NAND, but I can't find any other ubuntu image which will boot and install itself to NAND
[20:52] <virnik> anyone?
[20:52] <virnik> because with mele version of ubuntu, I have no screen
[21:17] <virnik> anyone?
[22:34] <ashes> i'm trying to upgrade xbmc from ppa:team-xbmc/ppa, and it's not happening. have any of you done this?
[22:34] <ashes> i have dependency conflicts


[15:29] <jelmer> does anybody know what the maintenance situation is for lptools?
[15:30] <jelmer> I did some work earlier to port it to python3 & breezy, but have yet to get a reply from the other maintainers - appears to be the Ubuntu One team
[15:30] <jelmer> (are they still around as a team?)
[16:05] <cjwatson> jelmer: Hm, good question - mostly not, but ~verterok is still around and can probably help us regain control
[16:06] <cjwatson> It would seem to make sense for ~launchpad to own that project, I guess?
[16:06] <cjwatson> We own the project group after all
[16:06] <jelmer> Yeah, I think that'd make sense too
[16:07] <cjwatson> Project as a whole is owned by ~dobey, but we could probably at least take over the branch without much fuss
[16:08]  * cjwatson sends verterok a message
[16:35] <cjwatson> OK, ~launchpad has control of the trunk branch now
[16:35] <cjwatson> So I'll queue up your MPs to look at
[20:48] <jelmer> cjwatson: Thanks!


[03:11] <zul> evening
[07:20] <krellan> hi, psmouse question
[07:21] <krellan> am thinking of changing it to do a reset in addition to just printing "lost synchronization, throwing %d bytes away"
[02:30] <zul> hey
[02:31] <fabbione> morning
[02:31] <fabbione> what's up zul?
[02:37] <zul> not much just at work
[02:38] <zul> u?
[02:38] <zul> git already has a debian directory :)
[02:39] <fabbione> yeah but it's utterly wrong
[02:39] <fabbione> not much really
[02:39] <fabbione> getting some coffee
[04:01] <dilinger> of course it's utterly wrong
[04:01] <dilinger> when have you seen a correct upstream debian directory?
[04:02] <dilinger> they just cause more headaches than they solve by creating debian packages
[04:03] <fabbione> yeah
[04:03] <fabbione> it would be good IF they actually maintain it
[05:13] <zul> ill poke around it tonight again
[07:10] <infinity> BenC : Do I have a 2.6.14 yet, huh, huh?
[07:10] <fabbione> infinity: git clone ....
[07:10] <fabbione> ;)
[07:11] <fabbione> infinity: drug bof?
[07:14] <zul> oh you wild and crazy people
[09:42] <dilinger> anyone have a hoary amd64 machine i can use for building stuff on?
[09:42] <dilinger> or a breezy machine w/ a hoary chroot?
[09:42] <fabbione> dilinger: i do, but it's turned off
[09:42] <fabbione> i will get access to it when i will be back from ubz
[09:43] <dilinger> ok.  i probably won't need it by then; i have an amd64 machine in front of me, but i can't install onto it without a custom parted :)
[09:43] <fabbione> ah o
[09:43] <fabbione> k
[09:44] <fabbione> sorry. i can't phone my wife at midnight to turn it on
[09:44] <dilinger> that's ok
[09:45] <dilinger> i'm wondering if i can bootstrap it with i386, put an amd64 kernel on there, and then get an amd64 chroot on it
[09:46] <dilinger> just seems like a lot of work, though :)
[09:49] <dilinger> huh.  hoary's parted works
[09:49] <fabbione> yeah way too much work
[09:49] <dilinger> maybe i won't need it after all
[11:57] <fabbione>  dr_d_19 writes "According to Groklaw, SCO is now demanding IBM to turn over 'all documents concerning IBM's contributions to the Linux 2.7 kernel, including development work'. Of course, there is no 2.7 kernel and no plans at all to create one."
[11:57] <fabbione> AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
[11:57] <fabbione> oh god guys
[11:57] <fabbione> look at /.


[00:12] <urbanape> sanderqd, the problem with desktopcouch and chrome is that the desktopcouch instance starts up on a random port, and we use dbus to query for the current port.
[00:13] <urbanape> there's no way to shell out from a chrome extension (currently), without resorting to an NPAPI plugin to do the mediation.
[00:32] <sanderqd> urbanape: ok, so a minimal NPAPI plugin would use some way to find the port, username and password
[00:33] <urbanape> yeah, essentially. We use a script for Bindwood (for Firefox) that gets the port, and the OAuth tokens, but same basic idea, yeah.
[09:41] <rye> Hm, something tells me that we need to start moderating messages in ubuntuone-users...
[10:27] <voytech> Hello, I've hot a question, If I have installed desktopcouch and want to replicate databases in ubuntu one do I have to add some record to paired-server-record document ?
[10:27] <voytech> or it will replicate via ubuntuone automatically somehow ?
[10:29] <voytech> becouse I  thought that after installing desktopcouch and for example creating database on couchdb server estabilished by desktopcouch , it will be automatically replicated via ubuntu one
[10:31] <voytech> and now I'm not sure, cose I went to futon on port that desktopcouch run couchdb and there is no cuch paired-server-record document in management database
[10:32] <voytech> and I assume that this record is needed to replicate via ubuntuOne ? am I wrong ?
[10:43] <duanedesign> hello voytech
[10:43] <voytech> hello
[10:45] <teknico> rye, ubuntuone-users is already moderate, I let that message through :-)
[10:45] <teknico> maybe I should have declined for being offtopic?
[10:45] <teknico> declined *it?
[10:45] <rye> teknico, ah,  i was talking about "2Wire 802.11g usb wireless adapter" setup :)
[10:45] <teknico> yes, that one :-)
[10:46] <teknico> iti did include a mention of "ubuntu" at the bottom :-)
[10:46] <duanedesign> rye: do you know the answer to voytechs question?
[10:47] <rye> duanedesign, verifying where the pairing record comes from...
[10:48] <rye> ok, that's com.ubuntuone.Authentication service
[10:48] <rye> voytech, ok, have you used ubuntuone client to authorize your computer for ubuntuone?
[10:49] <voytech> Yes I have ubuntuone client and I have added my computer to ubuntu one
[10:50] <rye> voytech, hm, let me see what that script that aquarius gave us does...
[10:50] <voytech> should there be paired-server record in management database ?
[10:51] <voytech> I've only run desktopcouch by getPort
[10:51] <voytech> I'm signed to launchpad and have my computer added to ubuntuone service
[10:52] <rye> voytech, http://paste.ubuntu.com/378976/ - save it as ubuntuone-couchdb-query
[10:53] <voytech> In my opinion paired-server record should be added, there should be a port of remote ubuntuOne service and address of service
[10:53] <rye> voytech, you should have a record for your computer wit http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/paired_server recordtype
[10:54] <rye> voytech, run that script as e.g. ./ubuntuone-couchdb-query --show-tokens=true notes - it should show what OAuth tokens are used for couchdb replication, if it is actually set up.
[10:54] <voytech> Oh Now I see something like this is management data base "_design/paired_servers"
[10:56] <rye> voytech, design documents are only used to fetch info about the existing regular documents, these are simply views. You should have some 32byte hex record id with paired_server record type
[10:57] <rye> voytech, do you have something in desktopcouch replication log?
[10:58] <rye> ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log - do not post it here since it may contain private tokens you won't wish to became public
[10:59] <voytech> Yes I have
[11:00] <voytech> static pairings are []
[11:01] <voytech> this is one of entries in this log
[11:01] <voytech>  there is also "found 0 self_identity records"
[11:01] <voytech> at the beginning
[11:02] <voytech> anf there are logs after 10 minutes
[11:02] <voytech> of replicating of discovered hosts
[11:16] <rye> voytech, then it means that it has not filled the pairing. and actually, management database is not initialized properly
[11:16] <rye> voytech, what version of ubuntuone-client are you running ?
[11:18] <voytech> ok I'm now upgrading ubuntu one
[11:18] <voytech> via apt-get upgrade
[11:31] <voytech> But If I'm singned in launchpad and my computer is added to computers which are in ubuntuone, after running desktpcouch by getPort from its API it should put paired-servers record to management data base ? Am I right. It should be done by default
[11:31] <rye> voytech, the records are put to couchdb by ubuntuone authentication system. In case it failed to do so, then this is what needs to be investigated
[11:33] <voytech> hmm
[12:49] <rye> I know why people use ubuntuone-client to report bugs against various packages, such as scanners, update-manager, etc.
[12:49] <rye> we are the only applet that  has 'Report a bug' item.
[12:49] <aquarius> indeed.
[12:49] <aquarius> this will be helped a lot when the applet goes awya
[12:50] <rye> the people may think that this is a general bug reporting menu.
[12:50] <rye> aquarius, then there will be bugs that will say 'I want my bugreporting tool back!'
[12:50] <aquarius> rye, WONTFIX. :)
[12:55] <alecu> rye, that's a great point. We should have a "Report problem..." option in the System menu, a bit above "About Ubuntu"
[12:55] <rye> alecu, hm, i just started to search the possible way how a regular user can report a bug...
[12:57] <rye> alecu, hm, there is no way to report misbehavior if the user does not know what has actually crashed... though it will be too hard to find out what user meant if he succeeds in creating such bug report. On the other hand, if he gives enough description then we might deduce something...
[12:58] <rye> Since you're requesting help rather than having a bug on the application please raise it at the Launchpad Support Tracker: https://answers.launchpad.net. Thanks in advance.
[12:58] <rye> but that's NOT clickable
[12:58] <rye> ah, it is opened automatically
[12:59] <rye> then it should say so
[12:59] <alecu> rye, also, there's a "Help->report a problem" option in most apps, but there's no generic way to send a bug report.
[12:59] <rye> Wow, You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - the Lucid Lynx - released in April 2010 and supported until April 2013.
[13:00] <rye> alecu, yes, i have just clicked on report on problem for 'Help' (yelp?) and it asked me whether I want an advice or to file a bug report.
[13:00] <rye> ok, say when I start any game it freezes my machine. How do I report a problem about that?
[13:03] <alecu> rye, oh, right.
[13:14] <rye> rodrigo_, hi, re: the tomboy bulletted list structure corruption - was that meant to fix such behavior http://picasaweb.google.com/roman.yepishev/Bugs#5439277416387517042 + forward 3 more ?
[13:16]  * rye really needs to set up his own server with gallery, ogg theora video, blog and filesharing... Time to find a cms that supports all this (no desire to write one myself at the moment)
[13:17] <rodrigo_> rye, yes
[13:17] <rodrigo_> rye, going to be deployed today hopefully
[13:18] <rye> rodrigo_, hm, these are the screens from edge when there was a call for testing yesterday...
[13:18] <rodrigo_> rye, yes, the backport of python-lxml was completely broken
[13:19] <rodrigo_> rye, I've re-submitted the branch using a different parser, and now it works on hardy, lucid, etc
[13:19] <rodrigo_> so should be ok now
[13:19] <rodrigo_> once it's deployed, I marked the branch as 'needs-review' again, because there were changes after it was approved
[13:20] <rodrigo_> ok, bbl, need to get out for lunch now
[13:57] <tcole> morning
[14:19] <duanedesign> rye: thats funny i was just thinking this morning about the filing of random bugs against ubuntuone-client because of the 'report a problem' in the applet
[14:20] <duanedesign> i am not sure what i installed to get it, but i have an apport launcher under App > SystemTools > Apport
[15:14] <aaron_seibert> Hi folks.  I noticed an open ticket regarding an issue with ubuntu one and contacts sync.  Was wondering if there was any progress made...
[15:14] <aaron_seibert> or if I have perhaps another issue that should be filed
[15:14] <aaron_seibert> ResourceNotFound: ('db_not_found', 'could not open https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/u%2F84c%2Ffe6%2F348187%2Fcontacts/')
[15:14] <aaron_seibert> is the relevant line from desktop-couch-replication.log
[15:14] <dobey> CardinalFang: not bothering with kicking off the standup any more? :)
[15:16] <CardinalFang> dobey, when I remember, I do.  Today's your turn!
[15:19] <duanedesign> hello aaron_seibert
[15:20] <duanedesign> aaron_seibert: which bug number were looking at on Launchpad?
[15:20] <dobey> neigh
[15:21] <vds> Chipaca: do we stil ldo standup meeting?
[15:21] <dobey> <- not a manager
[15:21] <Chipaca> MEETING BEGINS / MEETING STARTS / STARTING MEETS
[15:22] <vds> me
[15:22] <teknico> me
[15:22] <Chipaca> vds: desktop+ standups should be replaced by desktop destkop+ desktop desktop standups, and web desktop+ standups. Until that happens, we should continue having these.
[15:22] <CardinalFang> me
[15:23] <teknico> ehi! we want web desktop+ web web standups too!
[15:29] <CardinalFang> Okay, I'm going.
[15:29] <CardinalFang> DONE: Some of flipping d-c get_port and dbus-firing inside out.    Hopefully, release and package also.
[15:29] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:29] <CardinalFang> vds, svp.
[15:29] <Chipaca> teknico: that would be web desktop+ desktop web standups, surely
[15:31] <CardinalFang> I think we'll need TeX markup to describe some of these.
[15:31] <teknico> Chipaca, you're the boss
[15:32] <teknico> DONE: more work on the Funambol deployment with mthaddon; landed more branches about the Funambol configuration and the funambol schema in the account database
[15:32] <teknico> TODO: making phone sync work
[15:32] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:32] <teknico> next: vds
[15:32] <vds> DONE: list-of-device branch landed, support to the deployment of funambol
[15:32] <vds> TODO: #523861 + file a couple of more bug
[15:32] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:33] <vds> EOM ?
[15:35] <dobey> me
[15:36] <rodrigo_> me
[15:36] <dobey> Chipaca: the term 'desktop' should be replaced with 'client' or something. at least until computers start to actually assimilate physical desks
[15:36] <Chipaca> dobey: I've actually worked on a computer that was a desk :)
[15:37] <Chipaca> if "writing a car race in basic" counts as "work"
[15:37] <Chipaca> EOM, it seems
[15:37] <rodrigo_> well, me missing :)
[15:37] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Music download progress in music store widget. Hardy lxml tests. Fixed url building in music store widget. Release libu1 0.2.1. Show photos of contacts in contacts picker. Fixed soversion in couchdb-glib and release 0.6.1. Released evo-couchdb 0.4.1
[15:37] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add jslint tests to check. U1 client interrogates library page to update download progress. Dbus method for sharing with multiple contacts. & in note titles. Poll download status on music store. fix play-library sign
[15:37] <rodrigo_> al
[15:37] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:37] <rodrigo_> dobey, next?
[15:39] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Fixed lint issue, Added initial tab/notebook structure and quota widget to control panel, CP login requirement, CP quota info, Me menu integration, Accont info, Services tab, Release
[15:39] <dobey> ☹ TODO: New login UI pieces.
[15:39] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:39] <dobey> Chipaca: a crt under a glass desk doesn't make the desk a computer :)
[15:41] <Chipaca> dobey: this was a metal desk, with 8" floppies and a green crt
[15:41] <Chipaca> dobey: it was so old, they let *me* play with it
[15:47] <dobey> heh
[15:47] <beuno> hey
[15:47] <beuno> me
[15:48] <beuno> DONE: Lots of stuff with funambol deployment
[15:48] <beuno> TODO: Integrate vds's branch and finish the here-is-your-phone branch
[15:48] <beuno> BLOCKED: no
[15:49] <beuno> Chipaca, what time is standup normally?
[16:04] <Chipaca> beuno-lunch: normally @ 12
[16:24] <CardinalFang> I'm dismayed at how easily I can crash python via dbus module.
[16:25] <dobey> haha
[16:26] <dobey> Now you see why the Nautilus extension is in C
[16:30] <rye> dobey, nautilus extension can crash in gtk :-P
[16:30] <dobey> rye: stuff can still crash, sure. it crashed a LOT more often when it was in Python though
[16:30] <dobey> dbus would just crash randomly for no apparent reason
[16:30] <dobey> and it was insane to debug
[16:31] <dobey> embedded python in a C app is not fun to debug
[16:31] <dobey> anyway, lunch calls
[16:39] <rye> dobey, hm, if dbus is so crashy, then why is it _that_ crashy after several years of production... ah, CardinalFang meant that he crashed python process...
[17:32] <dobey> rye: python-dbus is pretty crashy
[17:40] <rye> * ubottu has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) . Wow, someone really dislikes the logging daemon
[17:44] <bigpig> so, what was the upgrade?
[17:45] <beuno> bigpig, a lot of infrastructure for phone sync and music store
[17:45] <beuno> both of which you can't access yet  :)
[17:45] <beuno> a few minor tweaks to the web ui as well
[17:45] <beuno> fixed notes up a bit
[17:45] <bigpig> beuno: boo. ;)
[17:45] <beuno> and files should look a bit nicer
[17:46] <bigpig> beuno: I do like the fact that I'm not automatically logged in just because I'm on my computer, now.
[17:47] <dobey> not automatically logged in?
[17:48]  * dobey lands potentially pending branches, and then gets to coding
[17:48] <bigpig> In the past, when I went to the one.ubuntu.com web site, it said something to the effect of "you're imhavoc...." click to sign in....
[17:48] <dobey> guess I should install all these updates too
[17:49] <bigpig> no password, just the assumption that it was me setting at my keyboard.
[17:49] <dobey> that wasn't ubuntu one. that's you being logged into the openid provider, but not ubuntu one
[17:50] <bigpig> ah.... there it is... unless I manually log out, I still see that.
[18:20]  * rye needs X restart, will be back in a moment (or more if I am not so lucky)
[20:59] <joshuahoover> duanedesign: very nice work on improving the ubuntuone wiki! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne
[21:26] <duanedesign> joshuahoover: I thouhgt a FAQ would be useful based on input from and seeing certain questions come up a lot
[21:27] <duanedesign> if you can yhink of anything else or have any other input
[21:27] <joshuahoover> duanedesign: we should probably point people to the lp faq's though...i'm not thrilled with the lp faq ui but that is where we try to keep them (probably need to fill holes there, please let me know which ones you find & i can help fill)
[21:27] <duanedesign> joshuahoover: thats a good idea
[21:28] <joshuahoover> duanedesign: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+faqs
[21:28] <joshuahoover> duanedesign: that'll get all the faqs for all u1 projects
[21:29] <duanedesign> joshuahoover: yeah definetly. No sense in duplication of effort :P)
[21:29] <duanedesign> ^^crazy smiley, lol
[22:06] <jeremydei> I'm trying to install and use ubuntuone from a console (no Xorg or gnome), is there a tutorial for that or is it really easy and someone can enlighten me?
[22:14] <duanedesign> jeremydei: We will eventually provide a more complete cli client that removes all the GNOME dependencies, but currently you cannot use Ubuntu One on a headless server
[22:17] <duanedesign> sorry got that response from a Tomboy note i have of answers to common questions. That shouldnt read 'we' as i am not a U1 dev. :)
[22:18] <jeremydei> cool, thx for the tip duanedesign
[22:18] <dobey> the royal we :)
[22:19] <duanedesign> dobey: you have made some icons for Tango?
[22:19] <dobey> duanedesign: yes
[22:19] <duanedesign> dobey: nice. I like them. Did you use inkscape?
[22:19] <dobey> yep
[22:21] <dobey> Inkscape is nice when it doesn't break. :)
[22:22] <duanedesign> i am having a hard time transitioning to inkscape from Adobe Illustrator. I use Illustrator everyday as a part of my job and the pen tools are very different
[22:25] <dobey> duanedesign: hang out in #tango and ask questions then, when the (real) artists are around
[22:27] <duanedesign> dobey: thanks for the tip
[22:28] <dobey> duanedesign: I know garrett used to complain about the differences between ai and inkscape all the time :)
[22:34] <sanderqd> so this hack works to make a chromium extension connect to the desktop couch :-) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/575568/couch-extension.png
[22:36] <dobey> hrmm
[23:00] <L0neRanger> Can any one help? I seem to to be having a problem with signing on for Ubuntu one. I get "Unauthorized token" page after I click on the link that was sent to me when I registered with my email address.
[23:00] <L0neRanger> Browser: 5.0.307.9 beta on Ubuntu 9.10. Email: Gmail
[23:05]  * L0neRanger is AFK
[23:06]  * L0neRanger is AFK  and still waiting for assistance with Ubuntu One
[23:20]  * L0neRanger is back  and still waiting for assistance with Ubuntu One
[23:20] <L0neRanger> honk?!?
[23:26] <sanderqd> L0neRanger: if noone from the ubuntuone team appears, you should probably try to ask through launchpad
[23:33] <L0neRanger> sanderqd: Thanks!
[23:59] <duanedesign> L0neRanger: have you added your computer at https://one.ubuntu.com/account/


[03:32] <RAOF> New question: how does any input not currently fail Valgrind?
[05:03] <RAOF> Answer: It doesn't as soon as you turn the seat report on. Top hole!


[15:03] <flocculant> patiently waiting for the RC images ...
[19:36] <tsimonq2> what is the timing on RC for Lubuntu?
[19:36] <tsimonq2> wxl said that I should ask here
[19:50] <infinity> tsimonq2: I plan to kick it all off before I head to the airport in a couple of hours.
[19:51] <ari-tczew> hello
[19:52] <ari-tczew> I'd like to get yet for wily a new upstream release. It's about a package @universe. Is it still possible?
[19:52] <infinity> ari-tczew: Maybe, but new upstream releases are risky right before release.
[19:53] <ari-tczew> infinity: I know, but I'll test it
[19:53] <infinity> ari-tczew: Well, what is the package, and what's the justification?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> infinity: can't you do it now? or are you waiting on something?
[19:55] <ari-tczew> infinity: kadu - current version is pretty old, deprecated
[19:55] <infinity> tsimonq2: I'm doing more than one thing right now. :P
[19:55] <ari-tczew> would be nice to ship fresh release in wily
[19:57] <infinity> ari-tczew: kadu 2.1 only barely hit sid, I'm dubious that it's had any real testing.
[19:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: but a lot of people are waiting :P
[19:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: don't you just have to press a button?
[19:57] <infinity> tsimonq2: No.
[19:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: :/ fine
[19:58] <ari-tczew> infinity: I get in touch with users on upstream's forum and they mostly recommend it
[20:11] <infinity> tsimonq2: Alright.  Lubuntu on the way.  To be fair, it won't be much different from the last daily. :P
[20:12] <tsimonq2> infinity: ok, thank you
[21:47] <flexiondotorg> infinity, You still about?
[21:49] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Ubuntu MATE is missing from the Builds: above.
[21:49] <flexiondotorg> infinity, May I also request that ubuntu-mate-meta is updated, it removed Compiz from armhf dur to LP: #1347925.
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1347925 in compiz "Compiz package conflicts on armhf for 14.04 and 15.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347925
[21:51] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I'm sure mate's coming.  And I'm running to the airport, so can't help right now, sorry.
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I'll look out for it.
[21:52] <flexiondotorg> Coming to London?


[00:01] <akgraner> highvoltage, it's released on Mondays
[00:01] <akgraner> except  - there wasn't on last week
[00:01] <akgraner> so tomorrow Issue 213 will we for two weeks
[00:02] <akgraner> and I'll write  blurb about why etc
[00:02] <highvoltage> ok, that was what I was wondering aboot
[00:02] <akgraner> so each week covers Sunday to Saturday
[00:03] <highvoltage> I know, I just wondered what happened to the last week's issue :)
[00:06] <akgraner> highvoltage, a ton of reasons why it didn't happen...but anyway
[00:07] <akgraner> ok I am back into ubuntu-news.org - so I'm going to redo a few things :-)
[00:07] <highvoltage> ok, I wasn't complaining!
[00:07] <akgraner> :-)
[00:08] <akgraner> highvoltage, it's cool I am just a little stressed
[00:09] <highvoltage> understandably so, the last thing I want to do is add more of it
[00:09] <highvoltage> if there's something I can do (even if you just need someone to yell or complain to), then I'm here.
[00:59] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks! :-)
[01:00] <akgraner> ok I think I have all the changes I made this morning to ubuntu-news.org added back
[01:00] <akgraner> woo hoo
[01:00] <akgraner> the backups will happen midnight my time (est)
[01:00] <akgraner> nightly
[01:00] <akgraner> we will probably have to update the feedburner (again)
[01:46] <highvoltage> I'm going to edit the wiki, poke me if I need to leave
[01:46] <akgraner> highvoltage, thanks!
[01:47] <akgraner> looks like people some people are able to get back to ubuntu.news.org now
[01:48] <akgraner> dang when you have to change the DNS stuff it takes forever for things to update it seems
[01:52] <highvoltage> akgraner: it's been working fine for me for the last 3 hours or so
[01:52] <akgraner> awesome - jcastro couldn't see it ye
[01:52] <akgraner> yet
[02:42] <akgraner> woo hoo - all current fridge editors have been added as editors to the new site
[05:32] <nhandler> akgraner: Did you see my question about the fridge/loco calendars?
[06:49] <popey> oooo, i spy a podcast embed :)
[08:30] <akgraner> nhandler, I don't remember if I did or not.  Can you repeat your question?  :-/
[08:40] <popey> 21:11:04 < nhandler> akgraner: I'm moving loco events from the fridge calendar to the loco calendar. I've copied them, should I remove them from the fridge calendar as well?
[08:42] <akgraner> popey, thanks!  nhandler yes :-) and thank you....
[09:15]  * popey notes akgraner made a typo in bug 564099
[09:16] <akgraner> hehe
[09:16] <akgraner> and sigh
[09:16] <popey> kinda important typo to be fair
[09:16] <akgraner> fixed
[09:17] <akgraner> I know
[09:17]  * akgraner goes to get some more sleep
[09:19] <akgraner> popey, thanks for letting me know  - the hehe was more nervous DAMN IT laughter... not - whatever not important laughter :-)
[09:21] <popey> np
[09:29]  * popey lols at further typos from akgraner :)
[09:29] <popey> bless, not having a good day are you?
[13:28] <akgraner> popey, it's Monday - guaranteed to much comic relief today :-/  One way or another :-)
[13:29] <popey> :)
[13:29] <popey> happy days
[13:29] <akgraner> always - :-D
[13:29] <akgraner> ok so I set up all the editors last night
[13:30] <akgraner> It was suggested that we make sure we have a group of people small team if you will who can handle bugs filed against the new site
[13:32] <akgraner> so if you are interested in putting your name on the list of people who can help with that  - in the meantime - popey, nhandler, nick, newz2000,  pleia2 and myself is who I'll list for those things
[13:33] <popey> sure
[13:36] <akgraner> I have to be honest - I am not as gracious about bug reports as some of the developers.  I don't know how they don't take some of the remarks personally.
[13:37] <akgraner> I am always in awe and wonder how they do that
[13:44] <akgraner> Hey all I am moving stuff from the wiki to the eitherpad to get it all set to go out today - I'm using the etherpad so if any one wants and has time to help we wont have editing conflicts
[13:47] <akgraner> Actually I'll move it all to the eitherpad - and then if you all want to help me clean it up  - that would rock
[13:55] <akgraner> ok the items as is are on the etherpad  - could use a hand with a few a few things if someone has time
[13:58] <popey> akgraner: url?
[13:59] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[13:59] <popey> what needs doing?
[13:59] <akgraner> I'm working on the General Community news section now
[14:00] <akgraner> if you could look at the upcoming meetings at the bottom or if you prefer pick another section that needs summaries that would be great
[14:00] <akgraner> there are links without summaries
[14:02] <popey> launchpad news?
[14:08] <akgraner> that is pulled from Launchpad blog
[14:08] <akgraner> http://blog.launchpad.net/
[14:09] <akgraner> I haven't looked to see if there is anything yet
[14:10] <akgraner> Also b/c the release was on Sunday  - 10.10.10 which I think is cool  - the release news will be stale if we wait a week - so if there are LoCo news about release parties or the posts about the release we are going to include them as well - Normally Sunday's stuff would wait til next week
[14:17] <popey> I've added some text about the launchpad posts, dunno if thats useful
[14:18] <akgraner> Thanks - but somehow the template got messed up Launchpad news is supposed to be under LoCo News
[14:18] <akgraner> hmm
[14:18] <akgraner> oh well I'll move it
[14:19] <akgraner> or did you move it just to work on it?
[14:19] <akgraner> no worries it's an easy fix :-)
[14:22] <akgraner> popey, that's a big help
[14:24] <akgraner> popey can you see if workswithU or OMG ubuntu had anything the last two weeks that is still current that we haven't covered in what we have in this issue now that we need to put in there
[14:24] <akgraner> those two would go under In the Blogosphere if there is anything
[14:28] <alourie> good afternoon
[14:45] <akgraner> alourie, hey!
[14:45] <akgraner> how are you
[14:49] <popey> sorry, dragged away by work
[14:49] <popey> stupid work stuff :)
[14:56] <alourie> akgraner: Hi Amber
[14:56] <alourie> I'm good
[14:56] <alourie> how's everything?
[14:56] <akgraner> popey, don't you hate it when real life gets in the way of all you Ubuntu fun :-P
[14:56] <akgraner> alourie, good just touching up issue 213
[14:58] <alourie> akgraner: is it the previous one or the current one?
[14:59] <akgraner> alourie, 213 will be a combination of the last 2 weeks
[14:59] <alourie> ah
[14:59] <alourie> ok then
[14:59] <akgraner> and we're including sunday posts as well
[14:59] <alourie> I think we're ready
[14:59] <akgraner> this issue is weird
[14:59] <alourie> he
[14:59] <akgraner> b/c of it the release day falling on a sunday
[14:59] <akgraner> not quite - the upcoming meetings need updating
[14:59] <alourie> why is it weird?
[15:00] <akgraner> b/c normally Sunday news would be in issue 214
[15:00] <alourie> by "we're ready" I meant In the press
[15:00] <akgraner> b/c we report on Sunday through Saturday
[15:00] <alourie> :-)
[15:00] <alourie> right
[15:00] <akgraner> alourie, yep you all are
[15:00] <akgraner> :-)
[15:00] <alourie> akgraner: need help in other topics?
[15:01] <akgraner> alourie, can you verify the upcoming meetings and events?
[15:01] <akgraner> I can show ya how
[15:03] <akgraner> alourie, go here - http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/
[15:06] <alourie> akgraner: ok,
[15:06] <akgraner> and look at October 12th - 19th
[15:06] <akgraner> make sure what is listed there matches what we have here - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[15:07] <akgraner> if we have something listed that isn't on the calendar just delete if from the etherpad
[15:09] <alourie> ok
[15:11] <akgraner> thank you
[15:12] <akgraner> please let me know if you have questions - you'll see how we format everythin
[15:13] <alourie> sure
[15:14] <alourie> akgraner: ok, so now we have nothing :-)
[15:14] <akgraner> ???
[15:15] <akgraner> nothing as in questions
[15:16] <akgraner> and I need to find a beginner team member there stuff is on the calendar twice
[15:16] <alourie> hm
[15:16] <alourie> On etherpad this whole section is empty...
[15:17] <akgraner> nope I'm looking at it
[15:18] <alourie> hm
[15:18] <akgraner> hmmm
[15:19] <akgraner> can you see it now
[15:19] <akgraner> what is the last line you see
[15:20] <alourie> should I refresh or something?
[15:20] <akgraner> ahh yes
[15:20] <akgraner> try that
[15:21] <alourie> hold on
[15:21] <alourie> ah
[15:21] <alourie> that's better
[15:25] <alourie> wow, there's a lot to fix
[15:27] <akgraner> :-)
[15:27] <akgraner> whew :-)
[15:27] <alourie> no problem
[15:40] <akgraner> popey did you all record and publish a podcast after September 25th?
[15:44] <popey> no
[15:51] <akgraner> thanks
[15:51] <alourie> akgraner: done
[15:51] <akgraner> alourie, thanks!
[15:52] <alourie> for some reason it includes today
[15:52] <alourie> maybe it should be removed.
[15:52] <alourie> oh
[15:52] <alourie> hold on, I've missed 18th and 19th
[15:52] <alourie> give me a sec
[15:59] <alourie> akgraner: should I include 19th? It's Tue already
[16:00] <akgraner> nah - b/c this will go out before the Tuesday meetings and this thing is going to be huge
[16:01] <akgraner> what you don't see is the team meetings :-)  those are on the wiki
[16:03] <alourie> akgraner: ok, then it's done. Check though why does it have the Mon, 11th? (which is today). If it should be there, I'll move it to the beginning
[16:04] <akgraner> no it's left over you need to change the date to the 18th
[16:05] <akgraner> nm I copied it twice
[16:05] <akgraner> it's gone
[16:07] <alourie> akgraner: then I'm done
[16:09] <alourie> anything else? I have few spare moments of my life :-)
[16:12] <akgraner> hmmm - can't think of anything right this second  - just finishing up the summaries that are in there and will go through my rss feeds to find LoCo team news
[16:12] <alourie> akgraner: cool, next time then
[16:12] <akgraner> yeppers thanks!
[16:13] <alourie> akgraner: can I have a personal request?
[17:02] <nhandler> akgraner: I know you have talked to the DC loco before, but should we notify them that we've moved their events from the fridge -> loco calendar? Or are they already aware that we are doing this?
[17:03] <akgraner> nhandler, we need no notify them - there is a couple of other loco's we need to contact as well
[17:04] <nhandler> akgraner: There weren't any other LoCo events I saw (I only looked for the next month or so).
[17:04] <akgraner> ah ok - I noticed one a few weeks ago but I guess that didn't have a reoccuring event
[17:05] <akgraner> if someone adds something going forward we can move it and send out a reminder
[17:05] <akgraner> until people get used the change
[17:05] <akgraner> make senses
[17:05] <akgraner> heading to lunch - bbiab
[17:05] <nhandler> akgraner: What is the LoCo Calendar needs to be populated task? It already has some loco events?
[18:00] <akgraner> nhandler, I wanted to add as many re-occurring team meetings as possible then just ask the teams to verify the information and see if we are missing anything
[18:01] <nhandler> akgraner: That might be a bit tricky since short of going through all the team wikis and LD pages, we have no easy way to do that. It might be easier to just send out an email about the LoCo calendar (but be prepared for the people who are loyal to the LD to complain about another location to keep updated)
[18:02] <akgraner> I know... :-)
[18:02] <akgraner> I'm not worried about their events at the moment
[18:05] <akgraner> newz2000, any news on the re-direct?
[18:06] <newz2000> akgraner: no, sorry. Fewer people than usual today because of the US holiday
[18:06] <akgraner> or questions about who needs what access?  Also who should get the email with the backups
[18:06] <newz2000> No, I don't think I have any questions
[18:07] <akgraner> Completely forgot it's a Holiday
[18:07] <akgraner> DOH!
[18:08] <newz2000> Yeah, 10.10 was a clever but unfortunate date to release
[18:09] <akgraner> no kidding :-)
[18:22] <nhandler> akgraner: I was thinking that we should now encourage users to use the WP comments to comment on stories. This would mean we don't need to go back and edit in the forum link. We can keep the forum posts around for people who prefer those over WP comments, but I don't see a need to link to them
[18:22] <nhandler> This will also significantly (at least for me) decrease the amount of time it takes to publish stories
[18:22] <akgraner> I totally agree
[18:23] <nhandler> akgraner: Great. I'll take care of making sure it gets documented as I'm making my various sets of instructions
[18:23] <akgraner> thank you!
[18:23] <akgraner> going through 2 weeks of feeds it a bit slow this morning b/c I'm also keeping an eye on Open week
[18:25] <nhandler> akgraner: Should we be linking to Lubuntu under 'Ubuntu Flavors' ? It is still a separate project
[18:27] <akgraner> well Ubuntu Studio is too right - I mean is it a fully supported flavor?
[18:27] <akgraner> I thought only Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu were the "official" supported flavors - but I could be making that up as well
[18:27]  * akgraner is tired
[18:29] <akgraner> I can remove it if you want and only use the ones mentioned in the release announcement
[18:29] <akgraner> which is probably the correct and more right thing to do
[18:30] <pleia2> last I heard there was drafting of a "how to become supported" rules since it was never clearly defined
[18:30] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep.
[18:31] <pleia2> you can get the blessing of the CC on a derivative project (mythbuntu, studio)
[18:31] <nhandler> Personally, I would go off of the Recognized derivatives section on http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives
[18:31] <pleia2> but the legacy ones, I'm not sure
[18:31] <pleia2> ah nice, I didn't know about that page :)
[18:31] <nhandler> That at least lets us (fridge) have a firm policy about which derivatives we are including
[18:31]  * pleia2 nods
[18:33] <zkriesse> hallo newsies
[18:33] <nhandler> Hey zkriesse
[18:33] <zkriesse> Heya's dude
[18:35] <zkriesse> Man...forums are flooded with the typical, "HELP!!!! ME!!!!" lol
[18:45] <akgraner> nhandler, I like it
[18:45] <akgraner> I can't make the change right this second - tweaking a survey
[18:45] <akgraner> but feel free to if you have time
[18:47] <nhandler> akgraner: I just did the change. I'm also playing around with some other changes (showing tags instead of categories and including a login link for fridge editors)
[18:47] <akgraner> gotcha - thanks!!
[19:14] <nhandler> akgraner: For the About page, it seems redundant to list the contact information twice. We should also clarify what type of stuff<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should be used for (as little as possible imo, ubuntu-news-team@ should be used whenever possible)
[19:15] <akgraner> I agree but people don't like sending things to a public list
[19:15] <akgraner> I know I didn't when I first started contributing.. b/c I saw the dog pile effect and worried about that
[19:17] <akgraner> So I wanted people (non-developers and people who don't hang out on irc or use mailing lists) to have another comfortable way to contribute
[19:18] <akgraner> I would rather send to an email where there aren't just "lurkers" if I am taking time to submit something publicly
[19:18] <akgraner> especially if I am not familiar with the people who are doing the editing
[19:24] <akgraner> I hope people just use the form for news - we have an editors email on LP that we can use
[19:24] <akgraner> right now I think corey is the only one sub'd to it
[19:27] <nhandler> akgraner: But is that email account still neccessary if people can submit stuff directly to WP (where there won't be an archive of the submission and they can remain anonymous if desired) ? If you think that there is a large enough use case of people who prefer to submit stuff via email instead of directly to WP and who are paranoid about having a public archive of the email, I guess we could leave it (I just am worried ...
[19:27] <nhandler> ... that the emails will not get seen) and VERY clearly document this use case on the wiki
[19:28] <akgraner> hmm how about combining joining and getting involved - and we just have a separate contact page
[19:29] <akgraner> no not necessary to submit news
[19:30] <akgraner> nhandler, I trust you  - you can just fix and I am sure it will be awesome :-)   (I am sure I am the minority case use)
[19:30] <akgraner> The devil is in the details ;-)  and we'll get them all worked out I'm sure
[19:31] <akgraner> you all rock!!!
[19:31] <nhandler> akgraner: :) I'm just trying to keep you (and us) from going crazy trying to check a million places for news. Crazy People != Good Editors :)
[19:32] <akgraner> hehehe and you are doing a great job - thanks a million!!!
[19:32] <akgraner> I appreciate it
[19:32] <nhandler> Thanks Amber
[19:32] <nhandler> You too
[19:34] <akgraner> hey all - here is the survey I'll put up in a few  - keep in mind I can only have 10 questions its a free account - gotta run get my kids - but let me know it it still needs tweaking - http://ubuntu-news.org/about/
[19:34] <akgraner> bbiab
[19:49] <cody-somerville> How we login to ubuntu-news.org? I get 'OpenID login failed: Server denied check_authentication'.
[19:56] <zkriesse> ok this is a bit news-ish
[19:56] <zkriesse> the new wiki theme is terrible
[20:33] <nhandler> cody-somerville: I think each user needs to add an OpenID url before that works. Let me check out your account
[21:37] <MichealH> akgraner: The /topic is out of date!
[21:38] <akgraner> MichealH, I know - thanks!
[21:38] <MichealH> akgraner: Im back! :)
[21:38] <akgraner> fixing something else at the moment
[21:38] <MichealH> I just remembered of -news
[21:40] <MichealH> akgraner: Wheres the latedt newspage?
[21:40] <MichealH> *latest
[21:42] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you
[21:42] <nhandler> :)
[21:42] <akgraner> MichealH, can't talk right this sec
[21:43] <MichealH> akgraner: I understand
[21:43] <MichealH> nhandler: Thanks
[22:17] <highvoltage> Thanks to whoever did the planet descriptions, etc
[22:17] <highvoltage> (I can't see since they come from etherpad)
[22:17] <highvoltage> life and work juts happened way too much today!
[22:17] <highvoltage> (especially considering it's supposed to be a public holiday)
[22:46] <akgraner> highvoltage, it happens :-)  that's why we have a team
[22:46] <akgraner> I've moved them to the wiki
[22:46] <akgraner> you can see the etherpad it's public
[22:58] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN is where everything was being worked on earlier
[22:59] <akgraner> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas is where people can add suggestions
[22:59] <akgraner> I'm fixing the In this Issue section on the 1st link now  - in case anyone wants to see what you have to do
[22:59] <akgraner> then I'll publish
[23:00] <highvoltage> ok
[23:48] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[23:48] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue213
[23:48] <akgraner> I'll add it to all the other places after I get back from the airport - gotta go pick my hubby up
[23:49] <akgraner> Thanks everyone  - we should be back on track now
[23:50] <akgraner> if there is something screwed up in this issue - y'all please fix it :-)  I'll be away from my keyboard for a while - but will post the other mailing lists forums and Fridge when I get back :-)
[23:51] <akgraner> nhandler, can you drop the survey link in the topic please?  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=1x9NE1y7Qe52nlsr4btCyw_3d_3d
[23:51] <akgraner> Improving Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Survey
[23:52] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah. Give me one minute to finish up something for UOW-es first
[23:52] <akgraner> that's fine it can be tomorrow
[23:52] <akgraner> I just need to run
[23:52] <nhandler> akgraner: Should it be in -chat too?
[23:53] <akgraner> nope this on is for UWN
[23:53] <akgraner> I'll get you the one for Open Week tomorrow
[23:53] <nhandler> akgraner: Oh, duh. I'm thinking I'm in -backstage ;)
[23:53] <akgraner> hehe :-)


[00:28] <jeeves_moss> why does bind keep adding this to the daemn.log file?  " named[1090]: client <IP_ADDRESS>#60187: view internal: RFC 1918 response from Internet for <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa"   also, our network preformace has gone in the toilet
[05:41] <twb> Is "vacation" still the least-worst way to handle staff being on leave?
[05:41] <twb> The vacation package, I mean
[05:42] <twb> The actual use case I'm faced with is a user who just resigned, but still has a (locked) LDAP account, and thus still has a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address
[05:42] <skrite> hey all
[05:59] <lifeless> twb: .forward to your admin staff perhaps?
[05:59] <twb> That's plan B
[06:08] <skrite> hey all, i need some advice on a server upgrade. What is the advantage of a blade setup over a box with lots of power?
[06:09] <twb> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Blade_server
[06:10] <twb> "The principal benefit and justification of blade computing relates to lifting this [minimum 1RU per server] restriction so as to reduce size requirements."
[06:12] <skrite> 1RU?
[06:13] <twb> One rack unit.
[06:13] <twb> 19×1¾"
[06:13] <skrite> I see.
[06:13] <skrite> Thanks.
[06:13] <skrite> space is not really our problem
[06:18] <skrite> What we need is the ability to manage scaling by adding hardware.  We run an engine that generates machine data all the time, keeps it in a database, send out text messages, serves web pages, but mostly does a lot of read and writes to the database.
[06:18] <twb> Do you care where the machines are, physically?
[06:19] <twb> If not, sounds like an ideal case for farming off the "the cloud"
[06:23] <skrite> we do have to have the machines here. The process we run gathers data that reports in off of many machines in the field. We process the data in and create messages out when necessary. and our customers can log into our website to see what their equipment is doing.
[06:23] <skrite> we have lots of running processes and cron jobs that process the info
[06:28] <sneumann> Hi, I am trying to get the hp-snmp-agents 8.50 to work on natty for BLC465G7 blades with a p410i SAS controller.
[06:28] <sneumann> Problem is that I get "SAS agent (cmasasd) does not find any supported SAS controller" in /var/log/hp-snmp-agents/cma.log
[06:28] <sneumann> The rest of the hpsmh is working fine
[06:28] <sneumann> Any clues how to continue debugging ?
[09:33] <sneumann> Hi, I am trying to get the hp-snmp-agents 8.50 to work on natty for BLC465G7 blades with a p410i SAS controller.
[09:33] <sneumann> Problem is that I get "SAS agent (cmasasd) does not find any supported SAS controller" in /var/log/hp-snmp-agents/cma.log
[09:33] <sneumann> The rest of the hpsmh is working fine
[09:33] <sneumann> Any clues how to continue debugging ?
[11:30] <rashming> i am able to connect to computers in my connection but not to internet on server
[11:30] <centerpoint> hello , I test mysql's function load_file() :select load_file("/test"); in debian & rhel, it returns content of file "test" ,but in ubuntu it return NULL , please help
[11:44] <centerpoint> hello , I test mysql's function load_file() :select load_file("/test"); in debian & rhel, it returns content of file "test" ,but in ubuntu it return NULL , please help
[11:46] <rashming> i am able to connect to computers in my connection but not to internet on server
[11:46] <rashming> please help some one'
[11:50] <amelin> rashming: what does ping <IP_ADDRESS> says?
[11:51] <rashming> it does not return anything
[11:51] <rashming> except the first line
[11:51] <rashming> which is "PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data
[11:52] <centerpoint> rashming: do you check your server's IP address and gateway and DNS ?
[11:55] <rashming> ip is given as <IP_ADDRESS>, dns is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:56] <centerpoint> rashming: gateway ?
[12:02] <rashming> it is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:02] <centerpoint> rashming: what does ping <IP_ADDRESS> says?
[12:02] <xampart> subnet mask?
[12:03] <rashming> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <xampart> so your ip's are in different subnets
[12:03] <alamar> ..
[12:03] <centerpoint> ...
[12:03] <rashming> yes
[12:04] <xampart> try giving them addressess from same subnet
[12:04] <rashming> all these settings are being done by DHCP
[12:05] <alamar> so configure dhcp appropriately
[12:05] <xampart> voila
[12:06] <alamar> and by the way... next time give some more info like
[12:06] <alamar> rashming: (ip ro sh; ip ro get <IP_ADDRESS>; iptables -L; ip link sh; ip addr sh) | pastebinit -b  http://paste.debian.net
[12:09] <rashming> what settings u suggest for dhcp configuration
[12:11] <alamar> rashming: putting clients in the same subnet as their gateway?
[12:12] <alamar> otherwise they won't know how to reach their gateway, as they would need another gateway for that...
[12:15] <rashming> @alamar can u explain last command u wrote??
[12:15] <rashming> is it to be written in the same line
[12:26] <alamar> it's a gathering of what might be relevant information (routing table, route selection, firewall rules, interfaces, configured addresses)
[12:26] <alamar> and the output is alltogether piped to pastebinit (if you have it installed)
[12:26] <alamar> with a parameter that tells pastebinit to use the paste.debian.net website for pasting the output
[12:37] <rashming> pastebin is not there
[12:38] <rashming> and if we try to apt-get install then it says it couldnt be authenticated
[12:39] <rashming> and if we ignore authentication then it says something wicked happened
[12:57] <blinkiz> Hello. I use pacemaker/corosync to control a drbd+mysql+other stuff. I have problem controlling mysql because it has been converted to a upstart script. Corosync is using /etc/init.d/mysql to start, status and stop mysql. It works but "status" does not. "status" does not have the exit code of "3" when mysql is not running. What can I do about this?
[13:44] <pmatulis> blinkiz: tell corosync about upstart scripts i guess
[15:34] <hggdh> Ursinha: please consider being in the #ubuntu-quality also, if you do not mind
[15:35] <Ursinha> hggdh: oh, I didn't know that team existed :(
[15:36] <hggdh> Ursinha: :-) no problem
[15:36] <Ursinha> s/team/channel/
[15:45] <jimmy51_> what should the file permissions look like on my NFS share?
[15:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: oi
[15:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: do you have like one minute to write what you know here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quality
[15:54] <Ursinha> please? :)
[15:54] <progre55> hi guys. is it possible to ssh into a server behind a corporate network from outside, not having access to any of the servers available from outside? I have a server running in the office, but would like to be able to access it remotely from outside the office
[15:55] <Daviey> Ursinha: sure, where are you?  I'll come and find you and we can talk about it.
[15:55] <Ursinha> l
[15:55] <Ursinha> o
[15:55] <Ursinha> l
[15:56] <Daviey> (for the benefit of those not here, Ursinha is sat next to me - and asked me a question on irc.) :)
[15:56] <Pici> heh
[15:57] <progre55> anyone?
[15:58] <Ursinha> progre55: you would need to redirect ports or something
[15:59] <Ursinha> or cheat, connect from inside using screen and then resume it outside hehe
[16:00] <progre55> Ursinha: reverse-tunneling?
[16:01] <Ursinha> progre55: I'm just thinking aloud, I'm not sure how to do that now
[16:01] <progre55> I've got this link and reading.. seems to be the way to go http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/238/ssh-reverse-tunneling/
[16:15] <jimmy51_> where does the NFS daemon log to?
[16:16] <jimmy51_> my share stopped working yesterday
[16:22] <smoser> hallyn, around?
[16:23] <jo-erlend> does Ubuntu have support for SPICE yet?
[16:30] <hallyn> smoser: yo
[16:30] <jMCg> jo-erlend: apt-cache search spice
[16:31] <jo-erlend> jMCg, I didn't think it would be a separate package?
[16:31] <hallyn> jo-erlend: we're waiting on Daviey to push those to oneiric :)
[16:32] <jo-erlend> hallyn, ah, so we can expect to be able to run a SPICE server in oneiric? Looks like we already have QXL drivers in Natty :)
[16:32] <hallyn> jo-erlend: that's the plan, yup
[16:33] <jMCg> jo-erlend: everything is a separate package in Ubuntu.
[16:33] <jo-erlend> jMCg, that just isn't true.
[16:59] <mattt> anyone know if libvirt still supports uml?
[17:50] <skrite> hey all, i am interested in running mysql-cluster on a number of computers. We would like the computers to share the workload, and I have seen setups that use multiple apache servers, etc..  what hardware goes best with this kind of setup, rack mounts? blades?
[17:56] <ikonia> doesn't matter
[17:56] <ikonia> as long as it meets the technical requirements for your personal setup, there is no "best"
[17:59] <skrite> ok. ikonia, thanks
[18:00] <JanC> you'll have to investigate what's best economically (both short-term & long-term), ecologically (if you care about that...), practically, etc.  ;)
[18:00] <skrite> we need to have something that we can throw hardware at to help when the scaling problems start ( what we do is kinda seasonal)
[18:00] <skrite> what we do is really growing fast too
[18:01] <skrite> we want something that we can add to instead of upgrading our server computer every other year or so
[18:01] <skrite> and having to start over
[18:01] <pmatulis> seasonal smells like cloud stuff
[18:02] <JanC> cloud or at least a hosting provider that offers the possibility to add new servers easily & quickly
[18:03] <pmatulis> and then remove them when demand decreases?
[18:04] <JanC> some allow you to do that on a month basis
[18:05] <skrite> pmatulis, no, not really necessary to remove them, sorry, it isn't so much a seasonal thing, but each year there are two seasons where we are growing a lot of new users.  We process data from machines in the field, they report in and we process the day and report to the machine owners
[18:05] <JanC> but virtualisation might be easier & faster  ;)
[18:05] <skrite> you mean virtualisation on a local server?
[18:06] <skrite> i think getting a host would put too much latency into the mix. We run a lot of processes that update the data, cron jobs and always running scripts that process the info, prepare reports, etc..
[18:08] <skrite> and, we are really working the hard drives because we a drawing lots of images.... lots... like about 400 per minute
[18:09] <Amaranth> Is JeOS still an install-time option in recently ubuntu server ISOs?
[18:09] <Amaranth> err, recent
[19:51] <jimmy51_> syslog is where i found it
[21:51] <noob_saibot> hello
[21:53] <noob_saibot> I'm trying to setup a VM for localhost, but when I change the document-root in the 'sites-available/mySite' I get 403 forbidden -page
[21:55] <RoyK> noob_saibot: probably user www-data can't read the files
[21:56] <noob_saibot> hmm.. but it's plain .html and has all the permissions set
[21:56] <noob_saibot> for the file
[22:35] <Jin> hi
[22:36] <Jin> Is it possible to make a webserver act as a mail server too at the same time?
[22:36] <Jin> I have a webserver that host a website for me, but I wonder if I can turn it into a mail server too
[22:44] <Jin> Is it wrong to have webserver and mailserver on the same machine?
[22:46] <etcetera> ok this is an absolute mess. i install ubuntu-server and clicked on the postgresql database option...
[22:46] <etcetera> which installed 8.4
[22:46] <etcetera> sudo apt-get remove postgresql-8.4 says it removed it, but it's still in init.d
[22:47] <etcetera> whenever I run sudo dpkg-r postgresql-8.4 it tries to install 9.0
[22:47] <etcetera> even though I want 9.0.1!
[22:47] <etcetera> wtf?
[22:49] <JanC> there is no PostgreSQL 9 in released Ubuntu versions?
[22:49] <etcetera> JanC: no 9.0.1 is in some external repo which installed.
[22:49] <etcetera> ok there were some weird contrib packages hanging around.
[22:50] <etcetera> now! I need to install mono 2.10.2 and ubuntu ships with 2.4. and I cannot find a repo for 2.10.2
[22:50] <JanC> and postgresql-9.0 might be version 9.0.x
[22:50] <etcetera> nope, they are different.
[22:51] <JanC> e.g. postgresql-8.4 in the repositories is version 8.4.8 in Ubuntu 11.04
[22:51] <etcetera> right, they are different. i'm sure.
[22:52] <etcetera> now mono 2.10.2 is going to be a PITA. there is no supported package :-(
[23:04] <abadr> Hi, I just tried to upgrade my VPS from hardy to lucid and ran into a problem: http://pastebin.com/8PrrDGxv. Seems to be bug #516684. Can anyone recommend a fix?
[23:19] <kumulatores> looool
[23:19] <kumulatores> gentooloooooool
[23:20] <kumulatores> germans on this chanel are really shitty
[23:26] <etcetera_> anyone on mono 2.10.2 and ubuntu?