[12:00] <jnk> |QuaD|, there's no deb package is there ?
[12:00] <|QuaD|> jnk: nope
[12:00] <regeya> unless anyone knows of another reason why not all the mixer doohickeys on an sb live 5.1 won't work, and not all audio i/o seems to work, and there's a fix that doesn't require upgrading alsa stuff. ;-)  also, I have no error messages to include.
[12:03] <crimsun> deki_: this channel is more appropriate to your issue, I believe. Furthermore, the two example applications you gave, mozilla and x-chat, do not use libqt3* ...
[12:03] <deki_> crimsun, strange thing is that even gtk apps like mozilla firefox work better
[12:03] <deki_> not better
[12:03] <deki_> but i don't have such effekts there
[12:04] <|QuaD|> firefox is gtk? interesting
[12:04] <|QuaD|> i didn't think it was
[12:04] <deki_> |QuaD|, lets see
[12:04] <ions> it's not
[12:04] <deki_>  /exec -o ldd `which firefox`
[12:04] <deki_> 	not a dynamic executable
[12:04] <bob2> deki_: yes, I'm not surprised I was right
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, :D
[12:04] <bob2> also, Qt on Mandrake is not using hardware accelerated GL
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, i hated you so much
[12:04] <bob2> yes, I know
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, yes but it is linked against libGL.so
[12:05] <deki_> bob2, and the version which is in ubuntu is not
[12:05] <bob2> yes, because Qt includes a GL canvas thing
[12:05] <bob2> afaik no toolkit actually does random GL acceleration of widgets
[12:06] <deki_> ok
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> once i install sudo apt-get install xfce
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> XFCE, how do I use it?
[12:06] <crimsun> thechitowncubs: you mean 'xfce4'?
[12:06] <deki_> bob2, :( i will try maybe to install xfce4.2 do you know the pckages for hoary to get it from?
[12:06] <WillCooke> Anyone know a place on the web where you can host files temporarily, that doesn't need loads of sign-up stuff
[12:06] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: Logout. Then select xfce Session
[12:06] <bob2> deki_: but seriously, this is a good example of listening to other people rather than fixating on something which happens to be different
[12:06] <bob2> WillCooke: pastebin.com
[12:06] <deki_> bob2, this is my big big problem
[12:06] <apokryphos> WillCooke: For text or general stuff?
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> so i should install xfce4 instead of xfce?
[12:07] <bob2> deki_: xfce4
[12:07] <regeya> it should be an option in gdm, thechitowncubs.  after you type in your username at the login prompt, um, someone remind me of what to click, b/c my brain just shut down
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> Session
[12:07] <regeya> but first install xfce4, yeah, d'oh
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> thats what it is, but it doesn't show up
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> ok, i just installed xfce
[12:07] <WillCooke> To host a screen shot!
[12:07] <regeya> thanks, 'coz I'm not even using gdm anymore. :-}
[12:07] <umarmung> WillCooke, i like imageshack.us
[12:08] <apokryphos> WillCooke: You might consider using photobucket.com
[12:08] <WillCooke> Thanks guys, spot on.
[12:08] <robodex> hey, does anyone have any experience with using dd to create blank image (.img) files?
[12:08] <SioBuntu> bye all
[12:09] <kaos> How do you install rpm package support
[12:09] <bob2> kaos: you convert things to .debs or .tgz with 'alien'.
[12:09] <bob2> but what do you want that's only in rpm format?
[12:09] <robodex> I'm trying to create a 1G blank image (for qemu) and it's giving me an error
[12:09] <robodex> aaron@slamela:/mnt/E/qemu-img $ dd of=hd.img bs=1024 seek=1G count=0
[12:09] <robodex> dd: advancing past<PHONE_NUMBER>776 bytes in output file `hd.img': Operation not permitted
[12:09] <robodex> it's on a fat32 drive so that might be the problem
[12:09] <SioBuntu> stupid xmms :s
[12:09] <GammaRay> kaos: rpm is installed by default I think
[12:10] <bob2> robodex: that looks like you're seeking to 1GB in a 0 byte file
[12:10] <bob2> GammaRay: the rpm command on ubuntu does nothing
[12:10] <robodex> bob2: hmm. That's odd. It said to type that in the howto I'm reading...
[12:10] <GammaRay> bob2: wonderful
[12:10] <bob2> GammaRay: hence why you use alien
[12:10] <robodex> any idea how to create a 1G blank image with dd, then?
[12:10] <bob2> robodex: also vfat doesn't do files bigger than 2gb, iirc
[12:11] <robodex> yeah, I know... I just wanna do a 1G image file (also afaik it's 4GB)
[12:11] <bob2> ah
[12:11] <cindux> hey al
[12:12] <mz2> what's a good id3 tag editor?
[12:12] <cindux> winamp :D
[12:12] <mz2> cantus is crap, and easytag is ugly
[12:12] <GammaRay> mz2: huh?
[12:12] <GammaRay> well I guess your SOL then.. boo huu
[12:13] <cindux> gammaray, good band
[12:13] <deki_> hi can i allow a desktop user start programs on second monitor?
[12:13] <deki_> i mean DISPLAY=:1
[12:13] <deki_> when i do: xinit -- :1
[12:14] <deki_> Xlib: error connetion refused by server
[12:14] <deki_> or similar
[12:14] <GammaRay> try xhost +localhost
[12:14] <deki_> xhost works only on already existing X server
[12:14] <deki_> xhost +localhost would allow connections to :0
[12:14] <robodex> nm, I think I have it
[12:14] <deki_> but :1 is not running
[12:15] <robodex> dd if=/dev/zero of=test.test count=1000000
[12:15] <robodex> gives me a 512mb file
[12:15] <deki_> i needed to edit some file or create one to allow user to open second DISPLAY
[12:15] <cheesus> hi can anyone help me to set up my network card (8139c)?
[12:15] <cheesus> ifconfig eth0: device not found
[12:17] <bob2> robodex: yeah, the default bs is 512
[12:17] <bob2> cheesus: modprobe 8139cp
[12:17] <jnk> cheesus, what does "lsmod | grep 8139" say ?
[12:17] <bob2> but that should have happened automatically
[12:17] <GammaRay> deki_: try gdmflexiserver
[12:18] <cheesus> 8139too      used:0
[12:18] <cheesus> mii used:1 8139too
[12:18] <cheesus> modprobe 8139c
[12:18] <cheesus> gives nothing
[12:18] <jnk> bob2, you think it's the wrong module ?
[12:19] <bob2> I'm not sure if 8139c can use the 8139too modlue or not
[12:19] <cheesus> sorry modprobe 8139too gives nothing
[12:19] <cheesus> 8139c not found
[12:20] <jnk> cheesus, try this: "sudo modprobe -r 8139too" then "sudo modprobe 8139too" then dmesg
[12:22] <jnk> cheesus, what does dmesg say at the end ?
[12:22] <cheesus> hmm modprobe always returns nothing and dmesg alot
[12:22] <tga> howdy
[12:22] <cheesus> ah ok
[12:22] <tga> I'm trying to get direct rendering going on a Radeon 320M and I'm not sure what I'm missing
[12:22] <cheesus> 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
[12:22] <cheesus> maybe its something with hotplug?
[12:23] <cheesus> theres some errors at boot
[12:23] <jnk> cheesus, paste the ten last lines (in private)
[12:23] <tga> /var/log/Xorg.0.log: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[12:23] <tga> glxinfo: direct rendering: No
[12:26] <tseng> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openoffice.org2 (--remove):
[12:26] <tseng>  files list file for package `openoffice.org2-core' is missing final newline
[12:26] <tseng> where is the files list?
[12:27] <dgtlchlk> Is there any way when using an ATI card and fglrx in the bigdesktop mode, to run the monitors at different resolutions?
[12:27] <mg> i'm confused about system accounts ... should i use one to run a persistent daemon (tracd?)
[12:31] <Seazzy> Hey, I am new to any type of Linux. Anyone know how to do a system-wide reset for the screen resolution? I can provide more details if necessary, but I am trying to be concise.
[12:31] <daniels> Seazzy: Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (warty), or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (hoary).
[12:32] <Dr_Aevil> hi - just trying to install ubuntu on a friend's PC.  Took a look at hoary and he seems to have lost sound.  Are people aware of sound problems with hoary? In particular he has a soundblaster audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro
[12:32] <daniels> mg: yes
[12:32] <mg> daniels: ok. can i use 'su trac -c "..."' to start it or do i have to use start-stop-daemon
[12:32] <Dr_Aevil> also, does anyone know why alsaconf is not present in hoary?
[12:33] <Seazzy> THanks daniels, I'll try that right now!
[12:33] <jnk> Dr_Aevil,   yes it was removed to fix a bug
[12:33] <daniels> mg: you can use su trac if you want, but start-stop-daemon in an init script is probably a better idea
[12:33] <jnk> look in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:33] <Dr_Aevil> jnk: thanks
[12:34] <mg> daniels: ok, thanks. i probably will use start-stop-daemon. however ...
[12:34] <mg> daniels: su trac -c "<whatever>" does nothing.
[12:34] <daniels> Seazzy: There's a list of resolutions you can edit in there (the 'Modes' lines), but if you're on warty, the first thing you'll want to do is remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines.
[12:34] <mg> i see the session created in /var/log/auth but it seems to end immediately
[12:34] <daniels> mg: ah, the shell is set to nothing.  you'll want start-stop-daemon.
[12:35] <Seazzy> I'm trying to get into it, but I'm getting "command not found"
[12:35] <mg> daniels: ah, ok! so /bin/false shell stops su working?
[12:35] <sheeep> hello
[12:36] <Seazzy> hello
[12:36] <daniels> Seazzy: Try 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' if you're already in the GUI, or 'sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' if you're not.
[12:36] <sheeep> is it possible that i boot the cd and it will get stuck ?
[12:36] <sheeep> i mean, before install, before anything ?
[12:36] <Seazzy> I'm on it
[12:36] <MidnightDevil> is there anyway to make terminal borders transparent?
[12:37] <Seazzy> daniels: I've gotten into the file, reading it now. I'll let yuo know how it turns out
[12:37] <adam_> hey
[12:38] <adam_> ne1 here?
[12:38] <adam_> o.O
[12:38] <sheeep> some
[12:38] <adam_> oh hey
[12:38] <sheeep> hallo
[12:38] <adam_> im trying to install ubuntu on my old p2 288mhz desktop
[12:38] <adam_> and im having some problems w/ modprobe
[12:39] <Seazzy> so am I, adam
[12:39] <adam_> we have an ancient network card, so we need to use the smc-ultra module to detect it
[12:39] <adam_> newayZ
[12:39] <adam_> i goto expert mode
[12:39] <adam_> and try to modprobe it
[12:39] <adam_> and it doesn't work
[12:39] <adam_> ne ideas?
[12:39] <ells> almost done downloading the upgrades for hoary
[12:39] <sheeep> solly, can't help you  .. my install doesn't even pass the gfx boot thingy
[12:39] <adam_> i try w/ the command modprobe /lib/modules/2*/kernel/drivers/net/smc-ultra
[12:40] <adam_> ne1 have ne ideas?
[12:40] <adam_> hey regeya
[12:40] <junit> hello, i just installed xfce4 and the internet seems extremely slow ( only on this computer ), plus, when i try to go back into gnome, the panels just show up as white, anyone have any ideas
[12:40] <adam_> u don't happen to be an ubuntu expert, do you?
[12:41] <junit> it gets stuck on "resolving host" it seems
[12:41] <adam_> that means that your DNS isn't set right
[12:41] <junit> adam: how can i fix that
[12:41] <sheeep> get dns ips from isp
[12:41] <adam_> how did you configure your network?
[12:42] <adam_> do you know the address of ur DNS server?
[12:42] <sheeep> and put in /etc/resolve.conf
[12:42] <junit> it auto config'd
[12:42] <junit> ok, thanks, that all i need to know
[12:42] <adam_> m'kay
[12:43] <adam_> so does ne1 know about adding modules to the installer?
[12:43] <Frederick> adam_ if I know the DNS but my resolv.conf is blank what can I do?
[12:43] <sheeep> you can echo it into the file
[12:43] <adam_> just type your primary DNS server into the file, hit a return and close (control d) using the cat command
[12:43] <sheeep> echo DNS IPS >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:44] <JDigital> Hello folks, I'm having difficulty getting crontab to work. Can anyone give me advice?
[12:44] <MidnightDevil> how do i give full acess to a mounted fat drive?
[12:44] <Seazzy> Daniels: everything looks good in the XF86 Config-4 file,  but there is still a switch in resolution from the log-on screen to my user. The main problem I am trying to fix is the random freezing I'm getting. Do you think the 2 are connected?
[12:44] <jnk> JDigital, what's the problem ?
[12:44] <sheeep> MidnightDevil: chmod 666 <dir>
[12:44] <junit> Ok
[12:45] <junit> i already forgot, what file do i need to change to put the dns server int
[12:45] <junit> in
[12:45] <Frederick> Seazzy you may commment the resolution you dont want to use it might work
[12:45] <JDigital> I do a "crontab -e", and add the line "42 23 * * *  /usr/bin/gmplayer", then save and exit. But when 11:42pm rolls around, nothing happens
[12:45] <sheeep> junit: /etc/resolv.conf
[12:45] <JDigital> a few minutes later I seem to get an "e-mail" telling me about it for no reason
[12:45] <junit> thanks =D
[12:45] <adam_> so ne1 have ne luck w/ modprobe on installation
[12:46] <sheeep> why do you need modprobe @ install ?
[12:46] <cyklus> how do i disable ctri-alt-backspace?
[12:46] <adam_> i ahve a network card
[12:46] <sheeep> install base, then modprobe all you want
[12:46] <adam_> that isn't detected
[12:46] <daniels> Seazzy: Oh.  Try Computer->Administration->Screen Resolution, when you're logged in, but no, I don't think they're connected.
[12:46] <adam_> so i try modprobing the module i need to detect it
[12:46] <adam_> and it keeps saying failed (can't find it)
[12:46] <adam_> and i am sure its there
[12:46] <adam_> i ls'ed it
[12:46] <sheeep> maybe its wrong module
[12:46] <sheeep> modules usually work
[12:46] <adam_> and i even tried (and found it) w/ a gentoo livecd
[12:47] <sheeep> hmm
[12:47] <sheeep> same kernel ?
[12:47] <adam_> yeah
[12:47] <junit> ok, my DNS servers are right, but i think comcast is having troubles
[12:47] <sheeep> well ... technically, if its same kernel, you can save the .o file, and try to modprobe it
[12:47] <junit> but my Windows comps go real fast to websites, so i still don't know what the problem is
[12:48] <sheeep> adam_: what is the command you try to run ?
[12:48] <junit> one more question, how do I set my IP to static in the terminal
[12:48] <adam_> modprobe /lib/modules/2*/kernel/drivers/net/smc-ultra
[12:48] <sheeep> and just writing " modprobe smc-ultra" ?
[12:48] <adam_> same effect
[12:48] <adam_> it can't find it
[12:49] <adam_> i tried renaiming it to remove the '-' character
[12:49] <adam_> i tried everthing
[12:49] <sheeep> did you try loading other modules ?
[12:49] <adam_> yes
[12:49] <adam_> same problem
[12:49] <adam_> it can't
[12:49] <sheeep> none ?
[12:49] <sheeep> odd
[12:49] <adam_> it loads the base successfully
[12:49] <adam_> just modprobe fails to load additional ones
[12:49] <junit> How can I set my eth0 conn. to static in the console?
[12:50] <adam_> well thanks for the help all
[12:50] <adam_> i g2g
[12:50] <adam_> cya :)
[12:50] <sheeep> laters
[12:51] <junit> Anyone =/
[12:51] <cyklus> how do i disable ctri-alt-backspace?
[12:52] <sheeep> junit: ifconfig eth0 <address>
[12:52] <junit> sheeep, that is all?
[12:52] <junit> sweet
[12:54] <jnk> cyklus, there is an option DontZap for the x configuration file
[12:54] <jnk> see the man page
[12:54] <helio7> *** one more ubuntu user jumping to hoary...
[12:54] <QTPC-Voodoo> Anyone know why i get a "Code 18" when trying to boot Ubuntu on my IBM thinkpad 390E ?
[12:55] <helio7> QTPC yes
[12:55] <JDigital> Can cron actually run graphical programs, or is it limited to doing things in the background
[12:55] <JDigital> I want to use it to load mplayer
[12:55] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo is it a grub error 18 problem?
[12:55] <jnk> JDigital, you can but it's not the right way imho
[12:55] <QTPC-Voodoo> yeah, its happening just after Grub
[12:56] <helio7> you need to change your bios settings from hang on I'll find the link
[12:56] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb?
[12:56] <JDigital> I want to set mplayer to play a video file at a certain time every morning
[12:56] <jnk> JDigital, you tried and it didn't work ?
[12:57] <JDigital> Yeah.
[12:57] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo from LBA to normal
[12:57] <QTPC-Voodoo> ok thanks
[12:57] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo read the "Alternate Solution" on this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes it worked for me on several older machines
[12:57] <mg> daniels: thank for the help. everything's working nicely now. :)
[12:57] <QTPC-Voodoo> thanks alot
[12:57] <jnk> JDigital, two things: 1) the user must be the one that is graphically logged on and 2) you must set the DISPLAY variable correctly
[12:58] <JDigital> I only have one user, "jdigital"
[12:58] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo np I'm mostly a question-asker in here; makes me happy to be able to help somebody!
[12:58] <JDigital> display variable?
[12:58] <jnk> JDigital, for example if you have logged in as "user" in ubuntu, you can execute a script as "user" that contains a command such as: "env DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer some_file.avi"
[12:58] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb service to mount network drives?
[12:59] <daniels> mg: np
[12:59] <JDigital> Can just I do something like "00 7 * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer some_file.avi" then?
[01:00] <jnk> JDigital, try it, I think so (if the user is correct)
[01:00] <delltony> question i'm trying to install gnomad2 and it keeps saying it needs library requirements of glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libgnomeui-2.0 libnjb   where can i find these i looked in the synaptic with no luck
[01:02] <MidnightDevil> someone ?
[01:02] <JDigital> it works, hooray
[01:02] <JDigital> thanks jnk
[01:02] <jnk> you're welcome :)
[01:02] <JDigital> jnk = jayenkai?
[01:02] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb service to mount network drives?
[01:02] <JDigital> the sielts guy?
[01:03] <jnk> JDigital, no it's just the first letters of my names
[01:03] <JDigital> ah
[01:03] <JDigital> I used to know a jnk
[01:03] <kerframil> MidnightDevil: you can mount shares over smbfs/cifs without samba running as a daemon
[01:04] <MidnightDevil> brb
[01:05] <pepsi> someone pick a number from 1 to 9
[01:05] <pepsi> gareth, pick a number from 1 to 9
[01:05] <gareth> erm...kay....6
[01:05] <robodex> 6
[01:05] <mjr> 7, haha, I barely win
[01:05] <JDigital> heh
[01:06] <pepsi> 6 it is
[01:06] <gareth> i'm totaly lost but heh...
[01:06] <pepsi> shrimp flavor it is
[01:06] <JDigital> Sweet, I got it working. Thanks, jnk
[01:07] <delltony> anyone here have a nomade jukebox zen and had luck getting gnomad2 working?
[01:07] <gareth> nope
[01:08] <delltony> i have the source but can't find the glib dependencies :(
[01:08] <gareth> awwwww
[01:08] <gareth> yay...south park
[01:09] <jnk> delltony,  how are you installing gnomad? using aptitude, apt-get or synaptic , or with another method ?
[01:10] <macewan> I've had items disappear from both my Internet & Multimedia menua areas after I had to force a reboot. These items are there when I view applications with nautilus 'applications:///' - how do I get them back on the menu itself?
[01:11] <gareth> create a shortcut?
[01:11] <gareth> or i think i know what you mean, you need to right click and select Add To Panel
[01:11] <jnk> macewan, maybe you can dpkg-reconfigure the corresponding packages, or just right-clich the menu
[01:12] <gareth> watching south park has really damaged my brain.....andi just turned it on
[01:12] <macewan> k
[01:12] <jnk> (or apt-get --reinstall)
[01:13] <gareth> 'lo
[01:13] <mebaran151> I checked the repos but I couldnt find anything resembling a French-French Dictionary, one that defines French words in terms of other French words?
[01:13] <mebaran151> anyone know where I could find one for dict
[01:13] <jnk> mebaran151, you just need a french dict server
[01:13] <jnk> not a package
[01:13] <mebaran151> or any program similar to it that I could ue in a simple c++ server
[01:13] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:13] <mebaran151> jnk, where do I get one of those
[01:14] <mebaran151> wouldn't I need a dictionary list too though?
[01:14] <mebaran151> like gcide only french
[01:14] <cheesus> does anyone know about problems with 8139c network cards?
[01:14] <jnk> mebaran151, you can just configure gnome-dictionary to use a french server...
[01:14] <jaco> how to play a wmw file?
[01:14] <jnk> jaco, I use mplayer with windows codecs
[01:15] <cheesus> (unknown device 8139 (rev 10))
[01:15] <jaco> jnk i've installed mplayer and copyed original dll in the right directory but it don't load
[01:15] <|QuaD|> bob2 or any canonical employee... are you around?
[01:15] <jaco> need i some additional plugin?
[01:16] <dev3> At installation of Ubuntu I selected no to download updates from the net. How would I get those updates once I am in gnome?
[01:17] <arbeck> Has anyone had any luck getting USB 2.0 hard drives to work?
[01:17] <Cindux> damnt didnt work
[01:18] <Cindux> could anyone tell me using the terminal, how to remove the dir "documents" /home/cindux/documents
[01:18] <Cindux> i created it by accident as root & now i dont have permission to delete it
[01:18] <jnk> jaco, it depends on how you installed mplayer... when I compiled from source I had to put the dll first and explicitely tell ./configure where to look for codecs. Now I just use marillat's packages (and the w32codecs package)
[01:19] <jnk> Cindux, "sudo rm -Rf /home/cindux/documents"
[01:19] <CarlK> apt-cache search java gives me more than I can comprehend... how do I install java ?
[01:19] <Cindux> hm odd
[01:19] <jnk> Cindux, please don't insert spaces if you don't want to loose all your files
[01:19] <helio7> CarlK try ubuntuguide.org
[01:19] <CarlK> thanks
[01:19] <Cindux> i didnt see "-rf" when i did rm --help
[01:19] <helio7> CarlK nice java install guide there
[01:19] <Cindux> thanks
[01:19] <arbeck> I get the following messages whenever I plug in my drive:
[01:20] <arbeck> usb 3-6: new high speed USB device using address 3
[01:20] <arbeck> usb 3-6: device not accepting address 3, error -71
[01:20] <jnk> Cindux, -r (or -R) is for recursive, otherwise you can only delete files. -f is to not be asked for confirmation
[01:20] <mebaran151> what is gnome-dctionary
[01:20] <mebaran151> I have been using command line dict for the longest time
[01:20] <arbeck> My USB mouse and keyboard work fine, and my USB 1.0 camera mounts fine as a hd
[01:20] <Cindux> oh icic
[01:20] <Cindux> k thanks ill try it
[01:20] <Cindux> brb
[01:21] <jedi> i'm having trouble getting postfix to accept external connections on port 25. I've already set the inet_interfaces to "all" and restarted it, but with no luck. What more do i need to do?
[01:21] <jnk> mebaran151, it's an utility included with gnome (so ubuntu), just try it..
[01:21] <mebaran151> heheh jnk
[01:21] <mebaran151> so I can remove all the silly dict packages I installed
[01:22] <jnk> lol
[01:22] <helio7> mebaran151 you can add it to the panel too, I think that's the same one
[01:22] <mebaran151> heheh
[01:22] <mebaran151> cool
[01:22] <mebaran151> anyone know though
[01:22] <mebaran151> how I could put it in a little program
[01:22] <mebaran151> I want to be able to give it a list of french words from an array
[01:22] <mebaran151> and output all the defs
[01:23] <arbeck> I'm sure you could easily write a script to do it... how good are you at scripting?
[01:23] <mebaran151> arbeck
[01:23] <mebaran151> I can do tolerable C
[01:23] <mebaran151> never really done much scripting
[01:24] <arbeck> mebaran151: I use python for all my scripting... if you read through the python tutorial you should have enough knowledge to write what you want
[01:24] <mebaran151> I tried the python tutorial
[01:24] <mebaran151> I got it
[01:24] <mebaran151> but what module would I include
[01:25] <mebaran151> my C was tolerable only because of the good library work of others :)
[01:26] <jnk> mebaran151, given the small size of the program I think you can just study the source code, that's free software :)  (apt-get source gnome-dictionary   will get you the source in the current directory)
[01:26] <jnk> (provided you have a deb-src line in sources.list)
[01:27] <mebaran151> cool
[01:27] <arbeck> mebaran151:  figure out how to do a word lookup from the command line, and then just run the command line through python -> os.popen("command here"
[01:27] <mebaran151> ah
[01:27] <arbeck> you will have to import the os lib
[01:27] <mebaran151> and then it would just be a simple loop sort of thing
[01:28] <mebaran151> wait input --> output to text file
[01:28] <mebaran151> easy
[01:28] <mebaran151> no sources pkgs for gnome-dictionary
[01:28] <arbeck> now that that is finished... who wants to make my USB HD work
[01:28] <mebaran151> I DO!
[01:28] <mebaran151> Now can I
[01:28] <mebaran151> that is the question
[01:29] <jnk> mebaran151, you must have a deb-src line to warty (or hoary) main in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:29] <dev3> Quick question: I installed the latest firefox 1.0. But the links on my gnome desktop and menu still point to 0.9
[01:29] <dev3> How would I uninstall 0.9 and hae the links point to 1.0?
[01:29] <mebaran151> I have a deb-src line
[01:29] <jnk> dev3, how did you install this firefox ?
[01:29] <mebaran151> I always include them
[01:29] <arbeck> dev3: I'm guessing you didn't install firefox through apt
[01:29] <dev3> nope
[01:29] <dev3> =x
[01:29] <mebaran151> cool
[01:30] <mebaran151> gnome-dictionary is just a frontend to dict
[01:30] <dev3> I'm not to familiar with the apt command
[01:30] <arbeck> dev3: then you'll have to uninstall .9 through apt and manually set up links to 1.0
[01:30] <jnk> mebaran151, sorry my error: it's gnome-utils
[01:30] <dev3> okay
[01:30] <mebaran151> np
[01:30] <mebaran151> it is a dict frontend
[01:30] <dev3> What command would I use?
[01:30] <mebaran151> (says so in the manpage)
[01:30] <mebaran151> so all I need to do is find a French dict server online
[01:30] <eruin> why not just update 0.9 to 1.0 through apt though?
[01:30] <arbeck> dev3: you'd be better off removing 1.0 and upgrading though apt
[01:30] <dev3> okay
[01:30] <dev3> How would I do that though =x
[01:30] <eruin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:31] <arbeck> dev3: just run synaptic... computer -> system configuration -> synaptic
[01:31] <tga> mm, synaptic is nice
[01:31] <arbeck> dev3: then search for firefox
[01:31] <tga> apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[01:31] <dev3> Mark for complete removal?
[01:32] <arbeck> dev3: I wouldn't do that
[01:32] <dev3> I only see  0.9 installed
[01:32] <arbeck> dev3: then you need to change your sources to include the backports to get 1.0
[01:32] <jnk> mebaran151, tell me if you find a French server!
[01:32] <dev3> Couldn't I full uninstall firefox 0.9
[01:33] <dev3> then use apt-get to install it
[01:33] <dev3> install 1.0*
[01:33] <arbeck> dev3: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:33] <jnk> dev3, don't uninstall, it will automatically be upgraded
[01:33] <arbeck> dev3: you will need to update your ports to see 1.0... remove the 1.0 you installed manually follow the directions in that URL and then it will UPGRADE you to 1.0
[01:33] <jnk> while uninstalling will uninstall ubuntu (or ubuntu-desktop or something)
[01:33] <dev3> okay
[01:34] <arbeck> some one tell me how I got roped into giving advice... I came here to get help :(
[01:34] <dev3> How can I uninstall the 1.0 I already installed?
[01:34] <dev3> just delete the folder?
[01:34] <Pyre> Nite
[01:34] <jnk> dev3, if you just created a folder then yes just delete it
[01:35] <jnk> if you copied files somewhere, delete those
[01:35] <jnk> if you used a script, you're toast
[01:35] <arbeck> dev3: since I don't know how you installed it, I can't really answer that... the readme should tell you
[01:35] <mebaran151> arbeck, what woudl you like
[01:35] <mebaran151> I got my firewire drive to work
[01:36] <mebaran151> I think it will be module work
[01:36] <arbeck> mebaran151: my usb drive doesn't seem to be recognized... dmesg gives me this error when I plug it in
[01:36] <dc17> what's the preferred ubuntu/debian location for jdk javadoc?
[01:36] <mebaran151> what does dmesg say
[01:36] <mebaran151> dmesg is never wrong
[01:36] <mebaran151> :)
[01:36] <arbeck> usb 3-6: new high speed USB device using address 4 usb 3-6: device not accepting address 4, error -71
[01:36] <mebaran151> hmmm
[01:36] <mebaran151> I think it is a flaky hardware thing
[01:37] <mebaran151> it sounds as though your device wont let dmesg initialize it
[01:37] <mebaran151> did it come with a windows driver cd
[01:37] <dev3> How would I know which backport I need?
[01:37] <dev3> hoary or warty
[01:37] <arbeck> mebaran151: I've tried turning of APIC in my bios, booting with it APIC off, updating my bios, turning off IRQ's to the USB
[01:37] <arbeck> dev3: are you running hoary or warty?
[01:38] <arbeck> mebaran151: All my other USB devices work great... and my camera even auto mounts as a hard drive
[01:38] <jnk> dev3, for hoary you don't need backports
[01:38] <dev3> I really have no idea which I am running.
[01:38] <jnk> dev3, if you are just using the regular ubuntu, it's warty
[01:38] <arbeck> mebaran151: the USB hard drive is home made... i just put an IDE drive in a case.  It works fine on XP and OSX
[01:38] <dev3> alright
[01:38] <dev3> so
[01:39] <dev3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports wartyports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:39] <dev3> Is what I would put in my source.list
[01:39] <arbeck> dev3: yes... then when you run synaptic you should have the option to upgrade firefox
[01:39] <dev3> alright
[01:41] <arbeck> mebaran151: I'm think that USB 2.0 doesn't work quite right with bios... but I can't prove it
[01:42] <arbeck> mebaran151: I'm thinking maybe I'll burn a knoppix live cd and see if I can access it under that... if so, I know it's a problem somewhere in Ubuntu
[01:42] <Tzi> Hi =) Anyone have any idea why there are two mouse cursors in this new Warty install?  One is the standard white pointer, the other is the big 'X' cursor.  The 'X' can't be controlled, and it disappears if you drag a window underneath it...
[01:44] <delltony> question how would one install gnomad2 from hoary to warty? or is that just asking for trouble? i noticed gnomad2 was in the hoary universe though
[01:44] <mebaran151> it sounds liek it
[01:45] <mebaran151> check your bios
[01:45] <mebaran151> and make sure it is set right
[01:45] <mebaran151> delltony, you are just asking for it
[01:45] <mebaran151> all the libs are slightly difference
[01:45] <jnk> delltony, you can as well upgrade to hoary...
[01:46] <delltony> well i tried to upgrade to hoary before and it borked me
[01:46] <delltony> so i'm holding out till the release
[01:47] <niptac> hi guys, does anyone know where I can download libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7) from? I run warty and version of libgnomevfs2-0 in warty is 2.8.2-0ubuntu1
[01:47] <jnk> delltony, ok you can try this:
[01:47] <GIMP666> is there a good FirstPersonShooter i can apt-get?
[01:47] <niptac> Im trying to install bluefish_1.0_unoficial-1_i386.deb
[01:48] <niptac> and its a dependency problem
[01:48] <usual> niptac, 1.0 is in hoary
[01:48] <usual> are you using hoary
[01:48] <delltony> jnk?
[01:48] <niptac> Im using warty
[01:48] <usual> oh
[01:48] <jnk> delltony, get the source package for gnomad2, and the ubuntu warty developement packages for the necessary libraries, and recompile the gnomad package. In summary: make your own backport
[01:48] <usual> niptac, build your own deb
[01:48] <usual> niptac, msg me if you like
[01:49] <niptac> usual no idea how to build it
[01:49] <niptac> ok
[01:49] <delltony> yeah i have b ee doing that and man im getting dependencies out the butt haha
[01:49] <dc17> is there an archive of this channel anywhere?
[01:49] <GIMP666> is there a first person shooter I can apt-get in ubuntu
[01:49] <dev3> is there a command to recieve svn(subversion)?
[01:49] <goldfish> GIMP666: D/load america's army
[01:50] <jnk> dev3,  recieve? what to you mean ?
[01:50] <GIMP666> goldfish, does it work on linux?
[01:50] <dev3> download/install
[01:50] <arbeck> mebaran151: I've tried every concievable bios setting... but I've learned linux doesn't always agree with my nforce2 bios
[01:50] <goldfish> GIMP666: there is a linux version, yes
[01:50] <goldfish> works fine
[01:50] <GIMP666> goldfish, thanks man
[01:50] <jnk> dev3, sudo aptitude install subversion
[01:51] <delltony> jnk: tell me this would you recommend trying to upgrade to hoary again?
[01:51] <delltony> or just hold up cause last time i tried x wouldn't start among other thigns
[01:51] <dc17> delltony: I installed hoary array-5 and it is much better than array-3 IMO
[01:52] <dev3> jnk, I dont think that worked.
[01:52] <jnk> delltony, maybe try the hoary livecd...
[01:52] <delltony> yeah that might work
[01:52] <delltony> no the thing is
[01:52] <delltony> if the live cd works
[01:52] <dev3> That just ran the update/upgrade
[01:52] <aeonphive> in hoary array5, how do i know what alsa is configured to?
[01:52] <delltony> is that a almost certain that the full install will?
[01:53] <jnk> delltony, with the latest live-cd, I would say almost, yes
[01:54] <delltony> ok ill give it another go
[01:54] <delltony> the thing is i have sued backports and i think that is what killed me last time
[01:54] <GIMP666> goldfish, how do I install AA
[01:54] <delltony> used even
[01:55] <goldfish> GIMP666: download the .run file
[01:55] <goldfish> 736mb
[01:55] <goldfish> or so
[01:55] <delltony> but hopefully when i try again i can get someone to help me get it up and running if i have issues. thats why i was waiting for release so id be able to get more support hopefully warty installed smoothly with very little problems
[01:55] <delltony> hopefully hoary will do the same after development
[01:56] <dev3> hmm
[01:56] <GIMP666> goldfish, it doesn't download, it comes up in browser with alot of coding
[01:56] <dev3> Cant find package subversion
[01:56] <goldfish> GIMP666: you got azureus?
[01:56] <GIMP666> goldfish, nvm I think Im downloading it
[01:56] <delltony> jnk: lastest live cd is array 5 live correct?
[01:57] <jnk> delltony, dunno... I think so
[01:57] <goldfish> GIMP666: k
[01:57] <delltony> ok
[01:57] <jnk> dev3, you did "sudo aptitude install subversion" ?
[01:59] <MidnightDevil> hey
[01:59] <MidnightDevil> how can i enable terminal borders transparency ?
[01:59] <mebaran151> anoyone know where I can find a dict server for the french language
[01:59] <mebaran151> like french to french word lookup
[02:00] <mebaran151> I figured it out for english
[02:00] <boogerhead> how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:00] <mebaran151> really short script
[02:01] <delltony> would it be best to tarball my home dir and then just do a clean install using hoary or do an upgrade?
[02:02] <xiximkopp> is the mkinitrd command currently not working or am i doing something wrong (mkinitrd -o init-2.6.11 2.6.11)?
[02:02] <jnk> delltony, what was it that didn't work last time ?
[02:02] <delltony> x wouldn't start
[02:02] <delltony> and i had tons of dependency issues
[02:02] <jnk> how did you install hoary?
[02:02] <jnk> upgrade ?
[02:02] <delltony> with upgrade
[02:02] <mebaran151> delltony, in theory you can do it by apt
[02:02] <mebaran151> but I found apt was sometimes flaky over huge installs
[02:02] <jnk> I would go with upgrade anyway...
[02:02] <mebaran151> so I did a clean reinstall
[02:03] <mebaran151> and had the best of luck
[02:03] <jnk> and if it doesn't work you can reinstall
[02:03] <mebaran151> you just have to hope apt doesnt make any oopses
[02:03] <delltony> yeah i think its cause i use backports
[02:03] <delltony> someone statted that backports will bork it
[02:03] <zenwhen> yeah
[02:03] <zenwhen> backports screwed me
[02:03] <zenwhen> my main system is a mess
[02:03] <delltony> so how do you overcome it?
[02:04] <delltony> just a fresh install?
[02:04] <jnk> delltony, and use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" right ?
[02:04] <delltony> yep
[02:04] <zenwhen> my laptop is pure hoary
[02:04] <zenwhen> and works blissfully
[02:04] <delltony> here is what i done
[02:04] <delltony> i changed all repositories to hoary
[02:04] <zenwhen> delltony, that is what I plan
[02:04] <boogerhead> my system stalls after "Starting hotplug subsystem" how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:04] <delltony> and i then apt-get update
[02:04] <zenwhen> the upgrade will not go cleanly
[02:04] <delltony> apt-get upgrade
[02:04] <delltony> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:04] <delltony> and then it was by by linux
[02:05] <zenwhen> right
[02:05] <zenwhen> grab a hoary array 5 install ISO
[02:05] <zenwhen> and go from there
[02:05] <delltony> yeah the install one right?
[02:05] <zenwhen> yes
[02:05] <delltony> ok let me do that now
[02:05] <delltony> i was getting the live cd
[02:05] <zenwhen> array dicks are supposed to not be broken in any magor ways
[02:05] <zenwhen> lol
[02:05] <zenwhen> i mean disks
[02:05] <delltony> yeah sure thats what you ment :)
[02:06] <zenwhen> ;)
[02:06] <zenwhen> anyway, array four installed fgrea ton my laptop
[02:06] <tga> I remember a banner-like app that produces fancy ASCII text.. does anyone remember the name?
[02:06] <jnk> bye
[02:06] <mebaran151> how do I work with external programs in C++ if they dont provide a library
[02:06] <delltony> either its me or the servers or slow one
[02:06] <zenwhen> I have faith that array five will be fine on my desktop when my new hard drive hets here
[02:06] <jnk> tga, figlet ?
[02:06] <mebaran151> anybody know a good resource for that sort of thing
[02:06] <tga> thanks jnk :)
[02:06] <delltony> iso it taking 21 hours to download haha
[02:06] <delltony> brb food time
[02:07] <lexhider> I seemed to have stuffed my setup. Home isn't in the Places menu, and if I click on Places->Desktop it tells me "Cannot display location", there is no do default action associated with this location. Any ideas?
[02:07] <lexhider> this is hoary
[02:08] <boogerhead> dont ask me, I can't even boot up... can anybody help this ole boogerhead?
[02:08] <boogerhead> my system stalls after "Starting hotplug subsystem" how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:09] <zenwhen> i wish i knew
[02:09] <zenwhen> id tell you
[02:09] <zenwhen> lol
[02:09] <jnk> boogerhead, maybe try #debian and prepare to be shot
[02:10] <jnk> good night
[02:10] <boogerhead> life is hard on us old guys, I guess I have to go back to FC3
[02:10] <silvermoon> anyone know a quick way to get my sb16 pnp card working? I know the irq and all that
[02:10] <jnk> boogerhead, or file a bug report! bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:10] <boogerhead> tnks jnk
[02:11] <jnk> (I found the ubuntu guys quite responsive)
[02:11] <boogerhead> I guess I will do just that
[02:11] <jay__> some help here... i just upgraded to hoary on my ppc system but it doesnt look any different... did i screw up?
[02:11] <ompaul> jay__, no
[02:12] <ompaul> jay__, now look again have you now got three menu items on the top panel? you used to have two :)
[02:13] <ompaul> jay__, one takes it you have rebooted
[02:13] <jay__> also my wireless usb dlink key... is detected in the device manager but not in network-admin
[02:13] <jay__> ompau1 o i see
[02:13] <jay__> its a dwl-122
[02:13] <jay__> using prism2
[02:13] <jay__> will it work?
[02:14] <zenwhen> should
[02:14] <jay__> not detected how do i configure it
[02:14] <jay__> just add it manually in the wizard?
[02:14] <ompaul> go for it
[02:15] <zenwhen> i would TRY the wizard
[02:15] <zenwhen> i love my orinoco gold classic
[02:15] <zenwhen> :)
[02:15] <jay__> zen... wizard does not detect it... so should i add it manually
[02:15] <ompaul> essid=any
[02:16] <zenwhen> i dont knwo what you would add it manually to
[02:16] <ompaul> ahh well I need to go to bed - work in morning :-)
[02:16] <zenwhen> I dont know anything about that chipset
[02:16] <zenwhen> hey jay__
[02:17] <zenwhen> look at this
[02:17] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[02:17] <zenwhen> its the solution to your issue
[02:17] <zenwhen> I obtained it with a simple googling of "prism2 linux"
[02:18] <Frederick> ppl I just want to say ubuntu community rocks no rtfm trolls here, I love you all :o*
[02:18] <Frederick> damm =*
[02:18] <zenwhen> :-*
[02:18] <zenwhen> I am occasionally helpful
[02:18] <zenwhen> when I am not drunk and throwing things
[02:19] <zenwhen> ;)
[02:20] <santiago> Hi
[02:20] <santiago> what packages do I need to reproduce a vcd?
[02:32] <helio1> what's the apt-get to get the most recent fluxbox version (9.11)
[02:33] <helio1> I guess it's technically "unstable" but the one I got via apt-get is like 2 years old and unmaintained
[02:33] <zenwhen> lol
[02:34] <jay__> zen: did not help much
[02:34] <jay__> :(
[02:35] <arbeck> can someone help me with nautilus?  when i try to burn a cd, it just keeps asking to insert a disc
[02:36] <Frederick> arbeck did you mount your cd?
[02:36] <Frederick> the disk you wanna copu?
[02:36] <Frederick> *copy?
[02:37] <Frederick> mount /mnt/cdrom
[02:37] <Frederick> arbeck and be welcome :)
[02:37] <delltony> how many arrays till release i use to have a link to the release chart for hoary but i lost it if someone coulde send it to me again that would be great
[02:38] <arbeck> Frederick: I'm not copying a cd... i'm writing an iso to disc
[02:38] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:39] <Frederick> arbeck where are you stuck? I mean cant you mount? Read? Copy? Explain your problem better
[02:40] <arbeck> Frederick: I right click on the iso and say write to disc... the dialog comes up I click the button for burn... it says "Insert a blank cd into the drive"
[02:40] <arbeck> Frederick: there is a blank cd already there
[02:40] <Frederick> arbeck did you mount the driver?
[02:40] <Frederick> mount /mnt/cdrom
[02:41] <mattcamp> Hello.  I was wondering why the ubuntu-desktop meta-package includes so many Python packages in its dependencies.  Are all of those actually necessary?
[02:42] <arbeck> Frederick: it's set up to mount in my fstab, I have no problem reading or playing cd's... and I have no problem burning from the command line with cdrecord
[02:43] <Frederick> arbeck I just read what you wirteen again sorry you need to mount the iso I THINK
[02:43] <Frederick> arbeck http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html
[02:43] <geargolem> how, may I ask, can I switch my spm to universe?
[02:43] <helio1> anyone know an alternate source for the latest fluxbox dev version? the debian package on the sourceforge page is not loading for me
[02:43] <arbeck> Frederick: that's not it... because I get the same response no matter what I try to burn from nautilus... It always tells me to insert a blank disc
[02:44] <delltony> jdub thanks
[02:44] <Frederick> arbeck so I dont know how to help you :(
[02:45] <geargolem> dammit!
[02:45] <Poyayan> hey is anyone having problems with synaptic?
[02:45] <geargolem> this ubuntu can bite my ass~!
[02:45] <geargolem> heheh
[02:45] <arbeck> Frederick: I never thought you did :)
[02:46] <arbeck> can anyone else help with burning a cd from nautilus?
[02:46] <Poyayan> what sort of cd?
[02:47] <Poyayan> anyway I can't set my repositories through synaptic anymore
[02:47] <Poyayan> whenever I try it just refreshes the pack listing
[02:47] <arbeck> Poyayan: just a data cd... nautilus won't recognize that my cd burner has a blank cd in it... cdrecord works fine from the command line
[02:47] <zenrox> any one know how to get 2 nvidia cards to play nice and do a dual montiors
[02:48] <Poyayan> hmm you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:48] <zenrox> in hoary
[02:48] <zenrox> xorg.conf
[02:48] <Poyayan> sorry I was talking to arbeck
[02:48] <Poyayan> I have no idea about that zenrox
[02:48] <zenrox> oh
[02:49] <Poyayan> sorry
[02:49] <zenrox> ya bolth cards are nvidias
[02:49] <geargolem> trying to get yafray to talk to blender
[02:49] <arbeck> Poyayan: I'm using warty
[02:49] <zenrox> i can paste my xorg.conf file to help
[02:49] <zenrox> and my log file
[02:50] <zenrox> if any one has experenice
[02:50] <Poyayan> arbeck if you go to nautilus then click places you should be able to go to cd/dvd creator
[02:52] <geargolem> I couldn't find the latest builds with my synaptic package manager...
[02:52] <geargolem> so I downloaded blender and yafray manually
[02:53] <geargolem> but I can't get yafray to render for blender internally
[02:53] <dev3> What package do I need for all the different compilers
[02:53] <bzbb> what package do I install for a JVM?
[02:53] <pepsi> which weighs more? a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?
[02:53] <dev3> Nevermind, found it.
[02:54] <arbeck> Poyayan: I know that... my problem is, when I try to burn the actual cd, nautilus keeps telling me to put in a blank... it WON'T burn
[02:54] <Poyayan> hmm
[02:54] <Poyayan> it might be the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel arbeck
[02:55] <Poyayan> it had lots of problems but you can burn with the command line ....
[02:55] <Poyayan> I don't know to be honest arbeck
[02:56] <stuNNed> the update manager is really really sweet, very well done imho
[02:57] <arbeck> Poyayan: It's nothing wrong with the kernel because cdrecord works fine from the command line, and gnomebaker works fine
[02:57] <Frederick> bzbb you mean you want to run java?
[02:57] <bzbb> firefox says I have no JVM
[02:58] <Frederick> bzbb lemme google 2 seconds
[02:59] <Frederick> bzbb add to you favorites http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:59] <delltony> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla tahts another good place to look
[03:00] <zenwhen> delltony,
[03:00] <delltony> yes?
[03:00] <zenwhen> did you get that fixed?
[03:00] <delltony> get what fixed ?
[03:00] <Frederick> I think they changed this wiki, when I installed it Ive compiled suns binary to a .deb :)
[03:01] <zenwhen> were you the wireless issue guy?
[03:01] <delltony> no
[03:01] <zenwhen> o
[03:01] <zenwhen> ok
[03:01] <delltony> i'm the guy downloading the iso of array 5
[03:01] <delltony> waiting to light a fuse to my linux box :P
[03:01] <zenwhen> oh
[03:01] <zenwhen> you are that guy
[03:01] <delltony> cand you say boom :)
[03:01] <delltony> j/k
[03:01] <zenrox> i am the one fighing with dual head
[03:01] <zenwhen> lol
[03:02] <delltony> buddy of mine installed hoary from the live cd had nada problems
[03:02] <zenrox> i have done some  instering tests
[03:02] <zenwhen> zenrox,
[03:02] <delltony> so i'm gonna go that route instead of the upgrade
[03:02] <zenwhen> what video card
[03:02] <zenrox> 2 nvidia cards
[03:03] <delltony> one thing i'm curious of
[03:03] <zenwhen> oh
[03:03] <delltony> is there a way to save the home dir on the harddrive and then pull it bck into linux after the install
[03:03] <delltony> or am i gonna have to go get some dvds and burn my stuff :(
[03:03] <zenrox> not pci-x
[03:04] <delltony> ls
[03:04] <delltony> err sorry wrong window  haha
[03:04] <robodex> rm -rf /
[03:04] <zenrox> it can be done in suse
[03:05] <stuNNed> robodex: oldest trick in the book, but why? :)
[03:05] <robodex> hehe
[03:05] <robodex> wouldn't work, though, I didn't say "sudo" ;)
[03:06] <delltony> in other words is there a way to install and keep the home dir in tack?
[03:06] <zenrox> ya make it a defent partion
[03:06] <ells> apokryphos, I upgraded to hoary, can you give me the link again, for your sources
[03:06] <geargolem> yafray 0.0.7~2 install help?
[03:06] <helio1> I got a sanity error when trying to compile something with GCC which is the GCC version I should get?
[03:06] <apokryphos> ells: Sure: www.youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[03:07] <ells> thanks man
[03:07] <delltony> so just creat a new partition? and then i can remove the partition later or what?
[03:08] <apokryphos> np
[03:09] <stuNNed> delltony: do some partitioning magic, backup home to a separate ext3 partition.
[03:10] <bur[n] er> anyoen know how to edit the gnome menu?  i want to add an application
[03:10] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, in Hoary ?
[03:11] <bur[n] er> yeah
[03:11] <bur[n] er> i couldn't do it in warty
[03:11] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, afaik you can't using a gui
[03:11] <bur[n] er> :\
[03:11] <bur[n] er> oh well, i'm used to alt+f2, blah
[03:12] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, I don't know why it's not there, maybe they are working on another app to manage the gnome application menu
[03:12] <delltony> ok one other thing if i currently use ndiswrapper for the broadcom and i install hoary fresh clean install will i still have to use ndiswrapper or is it included now?
[03:13] <bur[n] er> LinuxJones: well, i run debian on my desktop... and there's no way to do it in debian's gnome either
[03:13] <LinuxJones> delltony, what model ?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, they must be working on something that can't be left out :D
[03:14] <delltony> of the modem is broadcom bcml5a.inf is really all i know let me look it up hang on
[03:14] <delltony> nic i mean
[03:14] <godsmoke> does ubuntu use debian's 'menu' package to handle menu generation?
[03:14] <godsmoke> because there's no proper menu in xfce on ubuntu
[03:15] <godsmoke> which is just bad
[03:16] <delltony>  BCM94306
[03:16] <GammaRay> no.. ubuntu does not
[03:16] <Daylighter> i have a question (as i am sure many people do)
[03:17] <godsmoke> well ... then they should replace the package -- because it's an issue that the menus are gnome-only
[03:17] <zenrox> ask away
[03:17] <LinuxJones> delltony, it doesn't look like a module has been aded for it. Looks like you will need to use ndiswrapper
[03:17] <delltony> ok thats fine no big deal was just curious
[03:17] <Daylighter> well
[03:17] <delltony> i hope this works for me
[03:17] <Daylighter> i have an imac and want to reinstall OS X after putting ubuntu on it
[03:17] <delltony> and i hope when i installe array 5 and gett it working the other array installs will be just a simple upgrade
[03:17] <godsmoke> Daylighter: you want to get rid of ubuntu?
[03:17] <Daylighter> but when i boot into the panther CD, i get the big ol' "no-smoking"-like thing
[03:18] <Daylighter> no, i just dont want to use it on the mac
[03:18] <godsmoke> or install OS X next to ubuntu
[03:18] <cybane> Sup OrangeSlice
[03:18] <Daylighter> yea
[03:18] <godsmoke> right ... so you want to overwrite it
[03:18] <Daylighter> but i want to clear the HD off.
[03:18] <godsmoke> heh
[03:18] <godsmoke> you're saying two opposite things
[03:18] <Daylighter> but OS X wont even let me boot to its installer
[03:18] <Daylighter> odd odd stuff
[03:19] <regeya> Daylighter: Huh.  This is going to sound silly, but try zapping pram, and resetting nvram, then try to boot off of cd
[03:19] <godsmoke> yeah
[03:19] <Amaranth> heh, that's a common technique for fixing PearPC issues
[03:19] <Daylighter> how do i do that? (seeing as i am a new mac user) :)
[03:19] <godsmoke> macs have horrible booting mechanisms
[03:19] <Amaranth> deleteing (clearing) the nvram
[03:19] <Daylighter> i am on the PC now.
[03:19] <regeya> yipe
[03:19] <Amaranth> godsmoke: OpenFirmware > BIOS
[03:19] <regeya> you're installing ubuntu on a mac and you're new to macs?  you are brave.
[03:19] <godsmoke> Amaranth: if it works ... yea
[03:19] <Daylighter> yes
[03:19] <Daylighter> i am
[03:19] <Daylighter> lol
[03:20] <Daylighter> someone gave me a disc, why not try it
[03:20] <godsmoke> regeya: why do you say that?
[03:20] <Daylighter> Well this ordeal is why :)
[03:20] <godsmoke> this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[03:20] <regeya> Daylighter:  when the machine boots, hold down Option-Command-P-R, and keep holding those keys until you've heard the startup "bong" sound three times.
[03:20] <helio1> can anyone explain to me what "error C++ preprocessor "/ib/cpp" fails sanity check" means?  (Trying to compile something)
[03:20] <regeya> Then, hold down Option-Apple-O-F
[03:20] <regeya> godsmoke: hi, have we met?
[03:20] <GammaRay> godsmoke: as far as the debian manu system is complicated and error prone and since ubuntu is focused on gnome, why should there be any pains taken to share a menu?
[03:20] <helio1> it says there's a config.log but I don't know where it is if it's not in /var/log/
[03:21] <LinuxJones> helio1, install build-essential
[03:21] <godsmoke> regeya: dunno ... maybe
[03:21] <godsmoke> GammaRay: well ... because it's the smart, and modular way to handle it
[03:21] <helio1> thanks linuxJones
[03:21] <godsmoke> because honestly, you can focus on whatever you like -- but the option of other window managers should always be there -- and that doesn't mean kicking them to the curb
[03:21] <regeya> godsmoke, if I'm telling Daylighter wrong, burst in with the right answer, rather than asking me why I'm doing it.  I don't mind. :-D
[03:22] <LinuxJones> helio1, :)
[03:22] <Daylighter> lol
[03:22] <godsmoke> regeya: no no -- I agree with your recommendation
[03:22] <GammaRay> there are no other desktops shipped w/ ubuntu anyways
[03:22] <godsmoke> GammaRay: I'm aware
[03:22] <regeya> ANYWAY
[03:22] <Daylighter> hihi thanks regeya i will try it
[03:23] <regeya> Daylighter: to make sure nvram is zapped after that, hold down Option-Command-O-F, and when you get an open firmware prompt, type these in:
[03:23] <godsmoke> GammaRay: I wasn't aware it was ubuntu's goal to have an extremely isolated distribution -- that's the point of keeping universe/multiverse around
[03:23] <regeya> reset-nvram
[03:23] <regeya> reset-all
[03:23] <regeya> and if you get an error on reset-nvram, try 'set-defaults'
[03:23] <dev3> Has anyone compiled winex cvs before?
[03:23] <regeya> then try booting off of cd
[03:23] <godsmoke> anyway bbl -- gotta put unstable on this box
[03:23] <Daylighter> oki
[03:24] <GammaRay> Don't you just hate people who say something like that and then.. leave.
[03:24] <regeya> Daylighter: good luck; I think you'll like Macs (you said you're new to MacOS)
[03:25] <regeya> Daylighter: also, if you're wanting some Free Software while you're getting aquainted with Macs, take a look at http://fink.sourceforge.net
[03:26] <Daylighter> that works :D
[03:26] <Daylighter> yeah, i hope to get a decent mac someday
[03:27] <Daylighter> right now i am using an original iMac with 160mb ram and vram of 6mb, with OS X and believe it or not, it doesnt run all that bad!
[03:27] <Amaranth> Daylighter: Man Mini :)
[03:27] <Amaranth> err, Mac
[03:27] <Daylighter> Hah!
[03:27] <Daylighter> lol
[03:27] <Daylighter> well, actually
[03:27] <Daylighter> i am in a bind
[03:28] <Daylighter> i need a new PC and i need a new mac, one for certain things, and the other for other certain things
[03:28] <Daylighter> but i cant even afford a decent PC, and PCs are cheap
[03:29] <Maniqu> hi all!
[03:29] <helio1> whoops upgraded to hoary and got a little itty bitty 640x480 screen on my 1400x1050 screen... anyone have any good ideas before I spend hours mucking around like a newb with XFree86.conf???
[03:30] <Maniqu> am i in the right channel? I'm looking for help
[03:30] <Maniqu> on Ubuntu
[03:30] <LinuxJones> helio1, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:30] <zenwhen> this is the place
[03:31] <Mannequin> thanks
[03:31] <Codyman> is there any linux on-the-fly mp3 rippers?
[03:32] <Mannequin> well, I'm seeing that there is lot of people in this channel... should I ask my question? should I wait?
[03:32] <zenwhen> grip
[03:32] <zenwhen> ask
[03:32] <Codyman> zen: really?  on the fly
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Mannequin, go ahead
[03:34] <Mannequin> well... right now, i'm connected from a winxp system... 'cause my MSI PC54G2 (Ralink 2500) isnt configured in Ubuntu fresh clean install...
[03:34] <Mannequin> (BTW, I'm TOTALLY newbie on Linux... 45 minutes ago, it was my first installation)
[03:34] <cybane> YAY! I am not alone Mannequin
[03:34] <zenwhen> hey
[03:35] <zenwhen> lol
[03:35] <zenwhen> i got disconnected
[03:35] <zenwhen> ask again
[03:35] <Mannequin> I have found useful information at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[03:35] <Mannequin> cybane do you have the same problem?
[03:35] <cybane> No
[03:35] <cybane> But I am glad there are other linux newbies here with me =)
[03:35] <goldfish> i am one  too :)
[03:36] <Daylighter> yay regeya it worked
[03:36] <Daylighter> i am installing now
[03:36] <cybane> I am trying to figure out Linux, Apache2, PHP5, and Permissions all at the same time
[03:36] <Mannequin> hehehehe, i have recently born to this new word (one hour ago)
[03:37] <cybane> I will say there is a certain level of satisfaction from installing apps the long way and not using Synaptic
[03:37] <helio1> LinuxJones: well I ran that dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and now I have no X at all
[03:37] <Mannequin> well, expert people, by reading, I have understood that I have to upgrade? my Ubuntu kernel? No idea how to do this, and no idea how to do this offline...
[03:37] <zenwhen> i have been using linux only for seven months and dual booting since 2000
[03:38] <goldfish> i am dualbooting for 3 weeks nw
[03:38] <LinuxJones> helio1, there is a backup of the old config file in /etc/X11/xorg
[03:38] <Mannequin> can i download the upgrade to a windows partition, then log on to linux and upgrade my Ubuntu system?
[03:39] <zul> i been using linux for 8 year
[03:39] <zul> years even ;)
[03:39] <goldfish> now that mannequin mentions it, do you have to upgrade the ubuntu kernal?
[03:39] <dud> I think I tried linux/bsd back in 1996 the first time...
[03:40] <Chipzz> Mannequin: you can
[03:40] <dud> some ancient freebsd or such
[03:40] <tritium> Slackware
[03:40] <cybane> Anyone know how to solve this error? configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up
[03:40] <JDahl> zul, I was writing a raytracer with Borland C++ under DOS, and I hated the 64kb segments, so a friend brought over 30 floppies or so and install linux for me... back in 94-95 I think
[03:41] <Mannequin> cool... let's go on... how do I upgrade my Ubuntu system? I understand that I have to upgrade it to support my MSI Wireless card (.11g)
[03:41] <Daylighter> i couldnt program myself out of a bag of BASIC
[03:41] <zul> JDahl, cool
[03:41] <Mannequin> (and then install some drivers I downloaded from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
[03:42] <LinuxJones> Mannequin, if you download the latest Hoary Array 5 cd and burn it you should be able to upgrade using it I would imagine.
[03:42] <goldfish> If one haas warty, should they upgrade to hoary now?
[03:43] <Mannequin> oh, I forgot to say I have the 4.01 release... recently arrived to my home... (bs. as. argentina)
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, some things don't work as well but I think most peopel are happy with it
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: okay, thanks
[03:44] <goldfish> LinuxJones: Is it much different?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> goldfish, I like it alot so far no real major bugs for me
[03:44] <Mannequin> should I uninstall my old version of Ubuntu, and download Ubuntu v. 5 ?
[03:44] <JDahl> goldfish, depends on if you desperately needs the newest packages... I am happy with Warty on this machine, and unless you're fairly familiar with the apt tools (so you can fix broken dependencies etc) I wouldnt recommend it
[03:44] <LinuxJones> goldfish, themes and a few other things aren't exactly working 100 % but i can live without that
[03:45] <goldfish> ok, im a n00b, so il think ill stick with warty for the time being :0
[03:45] <cybane> Good idea
[03:45] <Chipzz> Mannequin: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.11/
[03:45] <Chipzz> or http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[03:45] <dud> I might have a go at making a gui-based front end for all the common tasks that needs to be done for the newbie installation *_*
[03:45] <dud> I'm considering it at least
[03:46] <Chipzz> you can install the packages you download from there with dpkg -i
[03:46] <Mannequin> thanks chipzz
[03:46] <dud> should be fairly easy to implement something like that
[03:46] <christopher_> does anybody know if there is a windows media player for ubuntu
[03:46] <dud> thinking glade interface with a perl backend
[03:47] <Mannequin> install this packages on a v.4 upgrades my Ubuntu to v.5?
[03:47] <ZellSF> ... anyone here?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Well night all "Scarface" is on and I need my Pacino fix for the week.
[03:47] <cybane> plenty of people here
[03:47] <dud> christopher_, Microsft would port it right? :o
[03:47] <christopher_> ??? what?
[03:47] <cybane> XMMS is prolly the cloest thing
[03:47] <dud> or xine :)
[03:48] <ZellSF> hmm... wtf. is less than 1 second power failures normal?
[03:48] <kleedrac> Stupid question ... got a new cellphone (Motorola V220) and the software to put mp3 ringtones on it is Windows only and doesn't work through wine ... any linux based alternatives?
[03:49] <Ainvar> if I upgraded from warty to hoary is there a way I can change my filesystem to reiser?
[03:49] <Ainvar> without loosing data
[03:49] <JDahl> kleedrac, you could try wine
[03:49] <ZellSF> ...
[03:49] <kleedrac> JDahl: tried wine & cedega neither worked
[03:49] <Agrajag> JDahl: hey good job reading the question man
[03:50] <JDahl> Agrajag, got me :S
[03:51] <Mannequin> can I get a private conversation with a friendly expert? :) (i'm totally lost in this lnx world of command lines... DOS used to be easier than linux, jijij)
[03:51] <Mannequin> o quizs alguien que hable espaol pueda ayudarme ms facilmente...
[03:51] <Agrajag> Mannequin: there's #ubuntu-es
[03:51] <dud> I've got some time to spare, you could privmsg me if you'd like...
[03:51] <dud> altho my spanish is non-existance ;/
[03:51] <Mannequin> thanks Agrajag!
[03:52] <Mannequin> gracias!
[03:52] <Agrajag> de nada
[04:02] <carlos> hey.. i just installed ubuntu for amd64 and it didnt recognize my windows partition, unlike the 32bit version, is there any way i can manually add windows to grub?
[04:02] <carlos> please
[04:02] <stuNNed> yep you sure can
[04:02] <carlos> how?
[04:02] <stuNNed> something like:
[04:03] <stuNNed> title=Windows XP
[04:03] <stuNNed> rootnoverify (hd0,5)
[04:03] <stuNNed> makeactive
[04:03] <stuNNed> chainloader +1
[04:03] <stuNNed> sry for flood
[04:03] <carlos> thanks, ill try
[04:03] <stuNNed> hdx,x needs to point to your windows part though
[04:03] <carlos> ok
[04:04] <stuNNed> 0=1,etc
[04:04] <carlos> what is the 5 for?
[04:04] <stuNNed> means
[04:04] <carlos> my windows part is sda1
[04:04] <stuNNed> 1st hd, 6th partition afaik
[04:05] <stuNNed> then it would be afaik:
[04:05] <carlos> ok, thanks
[04:05] <stuNNed> (hd0,0)
[04:05] <stuNNed> i think, don't quote me on that
[04:05] <stuNNed> try it :)
[04:05] <tga> howdy
[04:05] <carlos> i will
[04:05] <ljlane> looks right if sda is the first drive
[04:05] <stuNNed> ljlane: k
[04:05] <tga> I can't understand why dhclient won't grab an address.. is it some known issue by any chance?
[04:06] <stuNNed> tga: worksforme always unless there's a dhcp server prob
[04:07] <carlos> what do i put in initrd?
[04:07] <carlos> stunned?
[04:07] <tga> I'll look into my dhcpd then
[04:07] <stuNNed> carlos: what does initrd have to do with adding a windows part to grub? =)
[04:08] <carlos> i dont know.. i thought menu.lst was the file I had to edit
[04:08] <stuNNed> yes it is
[04:08] <stuNNed> initrd is only for linux if using it
[04:09] <carlos> ok, thanks
[04:09] <stuNNed> afaik ubuntu uses initrd, others don't, why i dunno, some say initrd slows down the boot process
[04:09] <stuNNed> maybe for probing hw? dunno
[04:14] <fabiola> Hello friend My name's fabiola and... I have one printer Canon i320 and the printer no support with cups
[04:14] <fabiola> only with turboprint, but print in all pages the logo of turboprint
[04:14] <stuNNed> fabiola: checked linuxprinting.org ?
[04:14] <fabiola> no
[04:14] <fabiola> stuNNed: wait
[04:15] <fabiola> no exist one i320
[04:15] <fabiola> :(
[04:15] <fabiola> I need help!!
[04:16] <fabiola> Canoni320 witout turboprint?
[04:16] <fabiola> Canoni320 without turboprint
[04:21] <dev3> How do I find out where my kde is installed?
[04:21] <cybane> Can anyone tell me how to check who owns the process of my Apapche2 Server?
[04:22] <Riddell> dev3: kde-config --prefix
[04:23] <gellpak> has anyone successfully installed ati drivers? is there a guide for that somewhere?
[04:23] <dev3> Thanks.
[04:23] <dev3> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:24] <gellpak> ^ was that for me?
[04:24] <delltony> question when upgrading from warty to hoary and it ask me configuration file /etc/bash.bashrc  would you like to install package maintainers version should i hit yes or no?
[04:25] <membreya> does anyone here use hotway?
[04:25] <Riddell> dev3: what are you compiling, it may have an old configure setup
[04:26] <delltony> anyone?
[04:26] <copilot> Hi, I want to install pureadmin for pureftpd. It requires gtk, gtk requires glib, atk, and pango.  trying to install atk results in this
[04:27] <copilot>  JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01
[04:27] <copilot> export JAVA_HOME
[04:27] <copilot> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[04:27] <copilot> export PATH
[04:27] <jay_> i am trying to upgrade to hoary i am getting an error about xorg-driver-synaptics
[04:27] <jay_> please help
[04:27] <copilot> crap, sorry
[04:27] <copilot> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:27] <bretzel> Hi all :-)
[04:27] <jay_> apt-get -f install doesnt work either
[04:27] <jay_> can i bypass this?
[04:27] <delltony> well i'm wondering if i should keep my current configuration for bash.bashrc or if i should install the maintainers vesion
[04:28] <dev3> Is the synaptic package manager in KDE?
[04:28] <jay_> anyone?
[04:28] <teratorn> where can I get kernel-headers or kernel-source for the kernel that was installed by warty (2.6.8)?
[04:28] <MacPlusG3> delltony: look at the diff, and then decide
[04:29] <teratorn> the only source and headers packages I see are for versions up to 2.6.7
[04:29] <bretzel> dev3: why wouldn't you simply launch synaptic from KDE ???
[04:29] <Daylighter> hoorah OS X is installed
[04:30] <Riddell> dev3: apt-get install kynaptic
[04:30] <bretzel> Ridell: Kynaptic is ready in hoary
[04:30] <bretzel> ?????
[04:30] <Riddell> bretzel: as ready as it is anywhere
[04:31] <dev3> ah I found synaptic
[04:31] <dev3> I'm trying to install a new kde theme and I keep getting this error at configuration
[04:31] <dev3> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:31] <dev3> Anyone know what i'm missing?
[04:32] <bretzel> Riddell: But why they have made "kynaptic" ? gnome/gtk is every where. I use KDE for dev and now for kopete but I can't live without Gnome :-)
[04:33] <bretzel> Anyone know the furniture store "IKEA" ? ( (H) )
[04:34] <dev3> bretzel, yeah. it sux.
[04:35] <Riddell> bretzel: I added kynaptic because kubuntu won't use gnome
[04:35] <bretzel> oops: Because I am thinking to compare Linux env to the principles of that store: Mount it youself and wish you luck with the instructions ... - to some newbies I am about to install linux on their computers ... hahahaha
[04:36] <bretzel> Ridell: ah! kubuntu is out ? ( sorry I am not chasing news about kubuntu
[04:36] <Daylighter> to newbies that know what they are doing with computers, i say givem live CDs
[04:36] <Riddell> dev3: I think it's caused by the configure stuff being an old version which doesn't know about /usr/include/qt3  try adding --with-qt-headers= or whatever it's called
[04:36] <Riddell> bretzel: no, it's not out yet
[04:36] <dev3> oh
[04:36] <dev3> damn
[04:37] <copilot> Daylighter: you know what you're doing?
[04:37] <bretzel> Riddell: Ah! about configure errors: I've got the same thing with QT installation. it cannot finds the libs too
[04:37] <Daylighter> I know more about linux on the PC than the mac
[04:37] <Daylighter> lol
[04:37] <Daylighter> i've dual booted before
[04:37] <Daylighter> i would still, but i havent the HD space
[04:38] <copilot> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:38] <copilot> since you're not a noob, walk me through that
[04:38] <Daylighter> oh, i didnt say i wasnt a noob
[04:38] <Daylighter> but i am not advanced user either.
[04:38] <bretzel> copilot: This one I dunno.
[04:38] <Daylighter> D:
[04:38] <DAC1138> anyone read that new ubuntu hoary review on madpenguin.org?
[04:38] <Daylighter> *no, ne pas not
[04:39] <bretzel> DAC1138: what it sais about ubuntu hoary ?
[04:39] <DAC1138> bretzel lots. check it out
[04:39] <bretzel> DAC1138: That is what I am doing now :-)
[04:40] <MyNickHere> sup
[04:40] <lunitik> Hey... I heard evince got into hoary... does 'ubuntu-desktop' now depend this, or is Xpdf still around?
[04:41] <pussfeller> nautilus needs a special folder that has links to all the avi, ogm, mpg, mvk, mov and rm the computer
[04:42] <lunitik> pussfeller, or just put them in the same place... keep your system organized  ;)
[04:42] <lunitik> pussfeller, linking to all users media files wouldn't be too cool
[04:43] <pussfeller> heh, i have  naught to hide
[04:43] <mamadou> wassup
[04:43] <pussfeller> and most computers are single users anyways
[04:43] <mamadou> ineed some dudes
[04:43] <lunitik> pussfeller, not really.
[04:43] <lunitik> So... anyone using hoary?
[04:43] <mamadou> teratorn
[04:44] <mamadou> hey i need some help right here
[04:44] <mebaran151> could anyone suggest a good C++ IRC forum
[04:44] <mebaran151> I have a stupid problem that I can't seem to figure out
[04:44] <mamadou> nope
[04:44] <teratorn> mamadou: yes?
[04:44] <lunitik> mamadou, may want to try asking the question then?
[04:44] <lunitik> mebaran151, #c++
[04:45] <mamadou> teratorn can you tell me how to set up my network
[04:45] <teratorn> mamadou: I usually charge for that type of service :)
[04:45] <mamadou> how much ?
[04:46] <IRCsloth> hey guys, how do use/start swat in hoary? Do I need xinetd installed?
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: well depends on what you want me to do
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: are you serious?
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: or do you just have some simple question?
[04:46] <mamadou> to type right answers to my questions
[04:46] <IRCsloth> I remember in redhat you had to configure xinetd to use hoary
[04:46] <lunitik> IRCsloth, you need to install swat first... then start it...
[04:47] <IRCsloth> hoard=samba
[04:47] <lunitik> mamadou, what do you need? you have yet to even ask.
[04:47] <IRCsloth> I looked under /etc/init.d but I don't see a swat script. I have the swat package installed
[04:47] <mebaran151> lunitik
[04:47] <mebaran151> thanks
[04:48] <lunitik> IRCsloth, ahh... look through /usr/share/doc/<pkg>
[04:48] <gellpak> just installed ubuntu as my first linux install ever, never touched it before... why can't I edit text files?
[04:48] <IRCsloth> thanks
[04:48] <gellpak> theyre readonly but i would expect the gui to allow me to do such things
[04:48] <lunitik> gellpak, you need correct permissions
[04:49] <gellpak> how do i go about setting that up?
[04:49] <pussfeller> how would u use bash to remove the directory path from a filename leaving only the last, actual name of the file
[04:49] <pussfeller> cut?
[04:49] <lunitik> gellpak, applications > system tools > terminal and type 'sudo gedit the_file_you_want_to_open'
[04:51] <gellpak> cool. is there no way of applying these permissions to my user account as a whole?
[04:51] <lunitik> gellpak, you can add yourself to the root group I guess  :/
[04:51] <lunitik> gellpak, not really smart though  :/
[04:52] <lunitik> 'sudo adduser blah root'
[04:52] <gellpak> why is that, as a desktop user?
[04:52] <dev3> How would I open up an SSH connection with a remote server?
[04:52] <dev3> Is therea built in SSH client?
[04:52] <kerframil> gellpak: which files are you referring to? /etc ones and such?
[04:52] <teratorn> gellpak: you can accidentally wipe out system files, etc
[04:52] <gellpak> yeah, right now
[04:52] <gellpak> ah
[04:53] <lunitik> dev3, start the ssh server... and type 'ssh its_ip'
[04:53] <Dr_willis> ssuming theres no firewall/or other security blocking hte ports
[04:54] <kerframil> gellpak: they're not editable by non-root users for a good reason. if you want to drop the security level a bit for the sake of convenience then you could "chown root:adm" the files you really need to edit regularly
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm. anyone used Cedega - with Ubuntu yet?
[04:54] <kerframil> gellpak: and chmod 664 (or 660) them
[04:54] <Dr_willis> tempted to give it a try.
[04:54] <gellpak> hmm
[04:54] <gellpak> ok
[04:59] <godsmoke> hey -- any reason why gtk-theme-switch doesn't work?
[04:59] <helio7> ok I upgraded to Hoary today and ran into my most feared problem: XFree86/display problems... at first I had gnome, but at a tiny fraction of the size... in my panic to fix it I ran the config wizard and forgot to back up my original... now I have no X whatsover... i need a little help and I've spent hours on this type of problem before... can anyone lend a hand I would be most grateful
[05:01] <raydogg> Is loopback support enabled in ubuntu ?
[05:01] <godsmoke> raydogg: yeah ... don't you see a lo interface?
[05:01] <raydogg> no, not nic
[05:01] <raydogg> like /dev/loop0
[05:02] <raydogg> for loopback encryption
[05:02] <hybrid> heello all
[05:03] <jay__> anyone know how to fix this issue on hoary?
[05:03] <jay__> with xorg-drivers-synaptics
[05:03] <jay__> not installing
[05:03] <helio7> what other utilities are there besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for troubleshooting loss of X
[05:03] <helio7> ?
[05:04] <godsmoke> loss of x?
[05:04] <godsmoke> well -- you upgraded to xorg ...
[05:04] <godsmoke> so, things are gonna be scewed up
[05:04] <Dr_willis> hi
[05:04] <helio7> godsmoke: where would you start?
[05:04] <godsmoke> helio7: well, what exactly is your problem?
[05:05] <BiteMeBill> Dr_willis: hows that little 100 running?
[05:06] <hybrid> lol
[05:06] <jay__> anyone know how to fix this issue on hoary?
[05:06] <godsmoke> jay__: you haven't actually described a problem
[05:06] <godsmoke> what do you mean it's 'not installing'?
[05:07] <helio7> godsmoke: i'm stuck at the commandline with no X environment;;; I had it earlier when someone suggested I run dpkgreconfigure xserverxorg and now i lost the little postcard-sized gnome I had
[05:07] <godsmoke> helio7: well -- you have to tell me where x failed ...
[05:07] <jay__> says it cant install cause it is trying to overwrite synclient
[05:07] <godsmoke> I mean ... how do you expect to troubleshoot if you don't know what the problem is?
[05:07] <helio7> godsmoke: "Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display
[05:07] <godsmoke> jay__: you could force it -- I'm not aware of a specific problem
[05:07] <jay__> no
[05:07] <godsmoke> helio7: heh -- no -- that's some gtk application trying to start -- but x isn't running
[05:08] <jay__> ubuntu-desktop does not install cause of this
[05:08] <godsmoke> helio7: when you start x -- wht is the error
[05:08] <helio7> that's all it says godsmoke: checking /var/log/ now
[05:08] <godsmoke> that's not in the x-server log
[05:10] <geppy> I just bought a new wireless card that my friend has said worked "seamlessly" with Ubuntu.  He's running Hoary, though.  Do I need to install kudzu, or something of that nature?
[05:10] <godsmoke> geppy: are you having problems with the card?
[05:10] <geppy> godsmoke:  It hasn't been detected.
[05:11] <helio7> well if I type "X" the screen comes up brownish grey or whatever godsmoke, but if i type "gnome-session" it says only one error that I shared with you already... where else should I look?
[05:11] <godsmoke> well ... what kind of card is it?
[05:11] <jay_> how do i fix this
[05:11] <jay_> aaah
[05:11] <geppy> godsmoke:  brb, finding the box
[05:11] <jay_> so close yet so far
[05:11] <godsmoke> helio7: oh boy ... dude, it sounds like hoary really isn't for you
[05:12] <jay_> one package is screwing me up
[05:12] <jay_> xorg-driver-synaptics
[05:12] <jay_> :*(
[05:12] <godsmoke> jay_: dude, it's unstable -- this kind of stuff happens
[05:12] <geppy> Crap, left the box at the LAN...  Here's what the receipt calls it:  Airlink AWLH302.  It's a 54Mbps Wireless-G PCI card.
[05:12] <godsmoke> if you can't resolve issues like broken packages -- hoary isn't for you
[05:12] <godsmoke> geppy: hmm ... I don't know that one
[05:12] <godsmoke> geppy: brb -- lemmie look up the chipset
[05:12] <geppy> godsmoke:  Thanks!
[05:12] <Chipzz> geppy: lspci helps...
[05:13] <geppy> Chipzz:  Danke!
[05:13] <Chipzz> geppy: for finding out the chipset, that is
[05:13] <geppy> Chipzz:  Right.
[05:13] <godsmoke> geppy: how did you declare that it didn't 'detect' it?
[05:13] <geppy> I couldn't find anything in the dmesg output.
[05:13] <helio7> godsmoke: so you're saying that you don't know how to help me or what?  because I don't expect anything but you asked me questions about my problem, offering assitance and such and now you're just basically calling me a newbie... I'm grateful for any help I can get but...
[05:14] <godsmoke> helio7: well ... you shouldn't be starting X like that -- you should be starting it via gdm, or another display manager
[05:14] <geppy> Is there a kudzu-like app that I can use?  Or should I just install kudzu?
[05:14] <Chipzz> or use startx
[05:14] <godsmoke> geppy: no ... kudzu is not appropriate
[05:14] <Chipzz> geppy: discover
[05:14] <geppy> k
[05:14] <geppy> 0000:01:08.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
[05:14] <Dr_willis> yea. edit (make) the .xinitrc and use startx is a good way to twiddle with X and learn things. :P
[05:15] <helio7> ok startx didn't work in Warty for some readon but now it did... thanks Chipzz you solved my problem lol
[05:15] <Chipzz> geppy: you can also do kspci -v, it produces more output
[05:15] <godsmoke> Chipzz: I've never seen a chipset identified through lspci
[05:15] <geppy> Chipzz:  Alright.  I just ran discover, but I didn't see whatever it was that it did;  what should I do, now?
[05:15] <Chipzz> but probably not much usefull information
[05:16] <geppy> It's calling it an unknown device.  I think that I'll just let it lie, at least for now.
[05:16] <Chipzz> godsmoke: it can give you a clue as to what chipset it is
[05:17] <godsmoke> Bandit: well, the warty --> hoary migration is not clean
[05:17] <geppy> I don't have wireless access, except for at LANs, and I don't use wireless then, anyway.  It worked for my friend running Hoary, and by the time I have a wireless network, I'll be running Hoary. =)
[05:17] <godsmoke> in fact, it's quite messy -- I've only had 1/10 of my computers go through that with no xorg issues
[05:17] <godsmoke> geppy: I'm lookup up your card
[05:17] <Bandit> godsmoke works well and is clean for many
[05:17] <godsmoke> Bandit: well, I speak from what I've observed, and it hasn't been
[05:18] <Bandit> godsmoke and so do I 6 out of 6 no issues
[05:18] <godsmoke> fine -- I'm not debating your experience
[05:18] <godsmoke> for some reason you're debating mine
[05:18] <godsmoke> it's not relevant
[05:19] <Bandit> the experience card was played by who??
[05:19] <geppy> Bandit:  No one.
[05:19] <godsmoke> geppy: from a quick google search -- it appears your card is a candidate for ndiswrapper
[05:19] <godsmoke> it doesn't look like there is a linux driver for it
[05:19] <Bandit> godsmoke> in fact, it's quite messy -- I've only had 1/10 of my computers go through that with no xorg issues
[05:19] <geppy> Bandit:  By 'experience', he's referring to _experiences_.  The fact that it didn't work for him, and it worked for you.
[05:19] <godsmoke> yes, you were questioning my statement -- and I explained why I said that
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  Alright, thanks.  My friend must be on crack.  =)
[05:20] <geppy> 'night, all!
[05:20] <Bandit> geppy see ya
[05:20] <godsmoke> geppy: is this an 'internal' ccard?
[05:20] <Chipzz> godsmoke: also, you can look up the pci id online
[05:20] <godsmoke> as in -- minipci?
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  minipci?
[05:20] <godsmoke> yeah
[05:20] <godsmoke> is this a centrino laptop?
[05:20] <Beautifularia> When I boot grub automatically chooses Windows, how do I change the boot order?
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  I'm not familiar with minipci.  It's a PCI card.
[05:21] <geppy> godsmoke:  Oh, no.
[05:21] <godsmoke> oh, ok
[05:21] <godsmoke> Beautifularia: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:21] <geppy> godsmoke:  It's a good 'ol Athlon/nForce/GeForce tower. =D
[05:21] <alien_in_rm_309> does anybody know if there is a program that i can install through synapse that I can run that will alert me when i get new emails through hotmail and yahoo
[05:21] <Beautifularia> godsmoke, ok, what do I do there?
[05:23] <Beautifularia> I can't find any documentation on modifying menu.lst
[05:23] <Beautifularia> I'd be happy with just that even
[05:24] <bur[n] er> Beautifularia: just use the gui config tool?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> or google for /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:24] <Beautifularia> ooh, what's this now?
[05:25] <Beautifularia> grubconf?
[05:25] <godsmoke> Beautifularia: I believe you have to put a static entry into grup outside the "automatically generated" section
[05:25] <bur[n] er> the "boot" gnome system tool
[05:25] <alien_in_rm_309> does anyone know if there is a program that i can install through synapse that will update me when i have email in my yahoo and hotmail accounts
[05:26] <bur[n] er> oh damn... to do what you wanna do is easy though...
[05:26] <Beautifularia> bur[n] er, I'm installing grubconf now, that seems to be what you're talking about, no?
[05:26] <bur[n] er> no
[05:26] <bur[n] er> not at all
[05:26] <bur[n] er> default         1
[05:26] <bur[n] er> just put that somewhere...
[05:26] <IceBooger> Does anyone have a link for getting sound working with skype?
[05:27] <bur[n] er> where the # starts from 0
[05:28] <Beautifularia> bur[n] er, OH! I see where you're talking about, thanks =)
[05:28] <Beautifularia> I wasn't reading the comments in menu.list carefully enough :/
[05:28] <godsmoke> can an ubuntu dev tell me why gtk-theme-switch doesn't work ...?
[05:29] <bur[n] er> yw :)
[05:29] <helio7> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php
[05:29] <bur[n] er> godsmoke: this may be a silly question, but why not use the gnome theme tool?
[05:29] <cg0def_> do you always have to use the config tools to edit xorg.conf?
[05:29] <helio7> whoops wrong window
[05:29] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: no
[05:29] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: it is a silly question -- because gtk-theme-switch is for using gtk2 themes in gtk+
[05:29] <IRCsloth> hey guys, anyone have a good gnome or console password manager? I searched the apt repositories and found zsafe (ported from zaurus). Anyone have any specific recomendations?
[05:30] <bur[n] er> i know what gtk-theme-switch is
[05:30] <bur[n] er> you don't need it...
[05:30] <godsmoke> ok
[05:30] <godsmoke> alright ...
[05:30] <bur[n] er> u can use the gnome tool
[05:30] <godsmoke> mind explaining how to apply gtk2 themes to gtk+ then?
[05:30] <bur[n] er> gtk2 to gtk1 ?
[05:30] <teratorn> IRCsloth: yeah I do
[05:30] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: that's what I said twice
[05:30] <bur[n] er> you said gtk+ :P
[05:30] <bur[n] er> and you can't
[05:30] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: so you can just edti xorg.conf as a regular text file and it'll still work?
[05:30] <godsmoke> yes you can
[05:30] <IRCsloth> I heard kwallet was decent but I'm running gnome
[05:31] <bur[n] er> their two seperate entities
[05:31] <bur[n] er> no you can't
[05:31] <godsmoke> dude
[05:31] <godsmoke> trust me
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm using the tool in debian
[05:31] <godsmoke> it works perfectly
[05:31] <bur[n] er> u can't
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm running gtk+ in industrial
[05:31] <godsmoke> yes you can
[05:31] <bur[n] er> i use gtk-theme-switch
[05:31] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: ok so how do you edit the file without using the debian config tools then?
[05:31] <bur[n] er> u run "switch" for gtk1 and "switch2" for gtk 2
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm aware of its features
[05:31] <godsmoke> I use them
[05:31] <godsmoke> on debian
[05:31] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: you getting a short fuse or something?
[05:31] <IRCsloth> teratorn: what are your recomendations?
[05:32] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: <favorite text editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:32] <godsmoke> switch doesn't work in ubuntu
[05:32] <godsmoke> switch2 does though
[05:32] <alien_in_rm_309> ok when i install programs with synapse, how to i find the program file that i use to run them, and how to i make shortcuts to the desktop with them
[05:32] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: I thought you said I can't do that
[05:32] <teratorn> IRCsloth: hang on a sec
[05:32] <IRCsloth> ok
[05:32] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: wasn't talking to you when i said you can't
[05:32] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: I also thought that that breaks things on debian
[05:32] <godsmoke> BiteMeBill: just trying to ask the question
[05:33] <bur[n] er> it does?
[05:33] <bur[n] er> works for me
[05:33] <bur[n] er> it's the only way to get 1680x1050 resolution on my laptop
[05:33] <IRCsloth> I read something about one called PMS in linux journal a few months ago... thinking about trying that
[05:33] <helio7> alien: if you search for the files you dl'ed with "synaptic" you can click properties and find exactly where they are installed
[05:33] <alien_in_rm_309> i try that, but i dont know which file is the actual program file
[05:33] <calamari> hi
[05:33] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: ok just seemed that you might be getting short fused.
[05:34] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: usually the one in /usr/bin/ or usr/share/
[05:34] <godsmoke> BiteMeBill: yeah, frustrated to have to explain the function of an application that doesn't work in ubuntu
[05:34] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[05:34] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: what app?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> godsmoke: how does gtk-theme-switch *not* work?
[05:35] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: could be worse.  There are plenty of them in windoz
[05:35] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[05:35] <calamari> having some printing problems in The Gimp.. it's spitting out %!PS-Adobe-3.0 (etc) garbage.  I noticed that firefox uses lpr rather than lp and it prints correctly.  Tried changing the gimp settings but they didn't seem to stick.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> it only shows a few themes?
[05:35] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: you can type file in the terminal window as in "file /usr/bin/fluxbox" and it will tell you if it's an executable or what...
[05:35] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: and as far as adding a shortcut to the desktop, just rightclick the desktop and choose "create launcher"
[05:35] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: gtk-theme-switche's "switch" is supposed to be able to (and does in debian and other distributions) use gtk2 themes in gtk+ -- the "switch2" application does its function -- but the "switch" application does not
[05:36] <TOP1yuiop> hi, im new to this and i just put ubuntu on an older pc which i can not find a compatible mouse to, is there anyway to navigate ubuntu with only a keyboard?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> switch does NOT use gtk2 themes :P
[05:36] <Underlord> ive been thinking, would it be possible to have a custom partition at the end of a cd (or neer it) that contained settings, so a live cd would be able to be customized on the fly just by directly modifing the iso image?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i swear to you ;)
[05:36] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: I just took a screenshot
[05:36] <godsmoke> hold on
[05:36] <bur[n] er> apt-get install gtk-engines*
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i dont' need to
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i bet you don't have gtk1 themes installed
[05:37] <bur[n] er> just install them and switch will work
[05:37] <godsmoke> dude
[05:37] <Bandit> :)
[05:37] <alien_in_rm_309> python
[05:38] <Underlord> i remember back in the days of microsorks MS-DOS some applications would have null padded strings in them and modify their own code to store settings, gave me the idea
[05:38] <Underlord> er... i mean microdorks
[05:39] <TOP1yuiop> :(
[05:39] <alien_in_rm_309> i am looking for a program to keep me updated on my email accounts like when i get new emails and such and from reading bout python it sounded like something that might work so i installed it, but i can't seem to find a file that i have to use to run it
[05:39] <helio7> godsmoke: thanks for helping me before dude; hoary might not be for a newb like me but it's only a couple months before it's "stable" and if things go awry I can always revert... it's working now so I'm happy...
[05:40] <darkxst> hey can anyone tell me how i allow X to accept connections from another console or remote computer. ie when running a program using the -display command
[05:40] <alien_in_rm_309> ok did i just install the library only? if so what front end do i need to install to use it
[05:41] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: python is a programming languate
[05:41] <daniels> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l
[05:41] <bur[n] er> s/languate/language
[05:41] <alien_in_rm_309> sorry
[05:42] <bur[n] er> no worries
[05:42] <alien_in_rm_309> python 2.1-email
[05:42] <bur[n] er> in apt?
[05:42] <alien_in_rm_309> i installed that
[05:42] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309:  there are a couple gdesklets that will do what you want.  Plus I think there there is one that you can add to your panel.
[05:43] <alien_in_rm_309> BiteMeBill:where would i find those
[05:43] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: you definately don't need that app
[05:43] <bur[n] er> (referring to python2.1)
[05:43] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[05:44] <alien_in_rm_309> i am really new with linux so i dont know what is what
[05:44] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: there have a website that will go into great detail about the gdesklets.  Of the panel just right click and add to panel
[05:44] <alien_in_rm_309> do u know what the website is?
[05:45] <BiteMeBill> Google does
[05:45] <TOP1yuiop> hey, i got a question, will java2 work with ubuntu or is there a linux version?
[05:46] <darkxst> hey can anyone tell me how i allow X to accept connections from another console or remote computer. ie when running a program using the -display command
[05:46] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: type "gdesklets" into the firefox browser :P
[05:46] <jay_> hmmm hoary actually working for me now
[05:46] <jay_> still cant get past the synaptic error
[05:46] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: or just use synaptic to get 'gdesklets' and 'gdesklets-error' and play
[05:46] <jay_> and now no sound
[05:46] <alien_in_rm_309> BiteMeBill i installed the architecture for gdesklets, but how to i start itonce it is installed
[05:47] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: always try opening a term... and typing "gdesk<tab>" to see if something happens ;)
[05:47] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: or alt+f2 and type that
[05:47] <bretzel> gnite all
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> night bretzel
[05:48] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i did that and nothign happened
[05:48] <bur[n] er> u sure you installed gdesklets?
[05:48] <alien_in_rm_309> yes
[05:48] <bur[n] er> then it will do something
[05:48] <bur[n] er> :P
[05:48] <FAST> anyone have problems with flash not playing audio?
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> will try again
[05:49] <bur[n] er> <tab><tab> doesn't hurt
[05:49] <FAST> nm
[05:49] <huDeHell> hi
[05:49] <jay_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:49] <jay_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-synaptics_0.13.6-0ubuntu4_powerpc.deb
[05:49] <jay_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:49] <crimsun> TOP1yuiop: java2 works fine with Ubuntu
[05:49] <jay_> thats my error :(
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> when i type it in that run dialog it finds the program but nothing happens when i hit run
[05:49] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: do you have a bunch in /usr/share/gdesklets/ ?
[05:50] <BiteMeBill> It can't run till you tell it what to run.
[05:50] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: look in the system tray :P
[05:50] <alien_in_rm_309> yes i ahve that folder bikemebill
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> Do you have a bunch of diffferent desklets in there?
[05:51] <bur[n] er> if not... "apt-get install gdesklets-data"
[05:51] <alien_in_rm_309> yeah
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: look in the Displays floder
[05:51] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: when you run it, it goes to your system tray
[05:51] <bur[n] er> then you can manage gdesklets from there
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> nothing in my sys tray
[05:52] <huDeHell> is there a i686 resp for ubuntu? or i586??
[05:52] <bur[n] er> run "gdesklets" from a term, u get an error? or does it run?
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> it does nothign
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> i hit run and nothign happens
[05:53] <bur[n] er> that's why i said type it at a term
[05:53] <bur[n] er> :P
[05:53] <alien_in_rm_309> term?
[05:53] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309:  go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/xmmscorner/ and then right click the file cornerxmms-bottomright.display file and choose to run it with gdesklets then move your mouse to your desktop and see what happens.
[05:54] <BiteMeBill> BRB
[05:54] <skel_home> is there an ubuntu ppc channel?
[05:55] <jay_> skel: i wish there was
[05:56] <helio7> anyone ever have their display get really weird with mplayer?  like a bunch of horizontal stripes that break everything up into overlapping fields, including the menus?
[05:56] <alien_in_rm_309> burner, i am following what bitemebill said and i am not seeing a run command for that file
[05:57] <TOP1yuiop> is there a shortcut to exit a program?
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: if it's not in the menu you may have to choise Open with and then find the gdesklet program.
[05:58] <huDeHell> TOP1yuiop, kde had ctrl + f4
[05:58] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: alt+f4?
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> it doesnt seem to work?
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> oh
[05:58] <bur[n] er> is your alt key mapped correctly?
[05:58] <jay_> my ppc system is half-hoary and half-warty
[05:58] <jay_> :*(
[05:58] <bur[n] er> it does work? ;)
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> alt+f4 worked
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> thnx
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> i didnt know it was the same as windows
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> i dont have a mouse :(
[05:59] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: check the keyboard shortcuts :P
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> ?
[05:59] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: have you figured it out yet?
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> how/where?
[05:59] <bur[n] er> run gnome-keybinding-properties
[06:00] <TOP1yuiop> ?? *looks around dazed*.........im new to linux
[06:00] <monoxide> hi everyone, im having trouble running xmms on hoary
[06:00] <alien_in_rm_309> it says could not load sensor 'CornerXMMS'
[06:01] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: go through the menus ;)  play around
[06:01] <carl> I have sound with aplay, speaker-test and xmms, but not flash-mozilla firefox plugin - whre do I tell flash to use alsa?
[06:01] <TOP1yuiop> :( :( :( how do i open a menu without a mouse? :( :(
[06:01] <bur[n] er> alt+f1
[06:01] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[06:01] <bur[n] er> guess that one helps ;)
[06:01] <crimsun> carl: you can create an .asoundrc and overload pcm.dsp0
[06:02] <TOP1yuiop> hey this is pretty cool
[06:02] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: Ok so that sensor isn't loaded.  In the forums if you go and do a search on installing the sensors it will tell you how to get them installed.  Once they are then you will be able to run all your gdesklets like you just tried with the xmms one.
[06:03] <duncanm> hola
[06:03] <duncanm> what's the easiest way to setup VNC on a machine running hoary
[06:03] <monoxide> im in the middle of downloading the latest updates
[06:03] <monoxide> does anyone have any ideas what may be wrong?
[06:04] <carl> crimsun, so what is described at the botem of http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES18xx&module=es18xx ?
[06:04] <jay_> can i force a package install with dpkg???
[06:04] <techn9ne> jay_: yes
[06:04] <techn9ne> not usually a great idea though you can break stuff
[06:05] <bur[n] er> jay_: man dpkg
[06:05] <mouche> Hi, can anyone help with a keyboard issue -- in warty gnome, I can no longer type a capital v
[06:05] <jay_> techn9ne: how
[06:05] <mouche> that key is normal in other window managers
[06:05] <bur[n] er> mouche: maybe it's bound as a hotkey?
[06:05] <carl> how do I paste into xterm?
[06:05] <mouche> caps lock works for V, but not shift
[06:05] <techn9ne> jay_: i did that and broke my package database, had to manually remove all files and edit the dpkg files manually
[06:06] <bur[n] er> carl: middle click
[06:06] <mouche> Nope, bur[n] er, it's not
[06:06] <carl> bur[n] er,  thanks
[06:06] <BiteMeBill> mouche: you tried both shift keys and neither work?
[06:06] <GammaRay> carl: shift insert, also
[06:06] <calamari> carl: or Edit, Paste.. or right-click, Paste
[06:06] <GammaRay> calamari: this is xterm
[06:06] <bur[n] er> calamari: not in xterm :P
[06:07] <calamari> oh! sorry :)
[06:07] <jay_> no i mean what is the force command
[06:07] <calamari> gnome-terminal rules then :)
[06:07] <GammaRay> nah
[06:07] <jay_> dpkg -i --force-all
[06:07] <mouche> wait, bur[n] er, you're right!  thanks
[06:07] <bur[n] er> jay_: sure
[06:07] <bur[n] er> mouche: sure :)
[06:07] <GammaRay> it's slow and I can't override keys in gnome-terminal
[06:07] <techn9ne> jay_: man dpkg
[06:08] <jay_> ok i got it
[06:08] <TOP1yuiop> how do i add a hard drive?
[06:08] <techn9ne> does each ubuntu release resync w/ the debian unstable tree?
[06:08] <TOP1yuiop> its physically installed, but it is not recognized
[06:08] <techn9ne> or is it a completely seperate fork?
[06:08] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: it partitioned?
[06:08] <carl> so now that I have .assoundrc, what do I restart to get it to take effect?
[06:09] <TOP1yuiop> im not sure, its really old
[06:09] <mouche> weird thing is, none of the keybindings I WANT to work do anything, the one I set accidentally does.
[06:09] <crimsun> carl: the alsa application
[06:09] <TOP1yuiop> how can i find out?
[06:09] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: using warty or hoary?
[06:09] <crimsun> carl: e.g. whichever application is accessing the sound libraries
[06:09] <carl> crimsun, got it
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> warty
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> is hoary better?
[06:10] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: get qtparted?
[06:10] <bur[n] er> not for beginners ;)
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> oh
[06:10] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: it'll be stable in april
[06:10] <GammaRay> nah, get gparted
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[06:11] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: then you gotta get the .deb ;)
[06:11] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: gparted.sf.net :)
[06:11] <jay_> anyone know what file controls the icons in gnome
[06:11] <jay_> most of my icons are blank
[06:11] <jay_> no pictures
[06:11] <bur[n] er> jay_: use the 'theme' to change it
[06:12] <jay_> i would like to fix the default first
[06:12] <TOP1yuiop> where do i use that, is it a website?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> jay_: sure you're using the default gnome theme though?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: yes
[06:12] <bur[n] er> download the .deb of gparted
[06:12] <jay_> the default ubuntu theme yes on hoary
[06:12] <bur[n] er> crazy
[06:12] <TOP1yuiop> well i havent set this machine on the internet yet, so im gonna have to transfer it by cd...
[06:13] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: u have qtparted on it?
[06:13] <bur[n] er> or cfdisk?
[06:13] <bur[n] er> cfdisk is a term-based app
[06:13] <TOP1yuiop> no
[06:14] <bur[n] er> hrm... fdisk?
[06:14] <GammaRay> cfdisk should be on by default...
[06:14] <TOP1yuiop> no i just set ubuntu up today
[06:14] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i got a desklet to open now, does anyone know how i can get it to import my hotmail and yahoo mail
[06:15] <GammaRay> well I certainly didn't install it
[06:15] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: good luck on that
[06:16] <alien_in_rm_309> does anyone know what kind of accounts they are
[06:16] <alien_in_rm_309> like pop 3 or imap
[06:16] <bur[n] er> neither
[06:16] <bur[n] er> it's http web-based
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> do u know if there is a desklet that will handle that
[06:17] <jay_> icons on my desktop will not work
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> LOL
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> that helps
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> oh well
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> atleast i got desklets to work
[06:17] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: Unless you are useing the paid service from either of them I don't think they will let you.
[06:18] <bur[n] er> or get a good email address ;)
[06:18] <jay_> ugh nautilus looks broken
[06:18] <mouche> looks like I missed the gdesklets discussion; too bad, because I have no clue how to get them to work
[06:18] <BiteMeBill> gmail will let you i believe
[06:18] <bur[n] er> it will
[06:18] <bur[n] er> gmail is awesome... there's even a gmail gdesklet
[06:19] <alien_in_rm_309> well how could something like trillian in windows work then?
[06:19] <BiteMeBill> mouche alien just finished it.  He should be able to help you with that
[06:19] <yohannes> does anyone know how to burn a *.bin & *.cue file? i only know how to burn an *.iso file
[06:19] <mouche> oh no-- I love gmail, I want gdesklets -- buy gdesklets doesn't want me
[06:19] <bur[n] er> yohannes: got graveman?
[06:19] <alien_in_rm_309> i found a readme for gdesklets taht helped me here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851&highlight=gdesklets
[06:19] <yohannes> no
[06:19] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: good question I wasn't aware that they did.  Maybe there is a solution out there.
[06:19] <SiRrUs> will graveman do isos?
[06:20] <yohannes> can i just use the commad line
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i will look
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> tell mouche to use that link that helped me work my problems out
[06:20] <ells> I am trying to untar this file QPlayer-1.2.tar.bz2.tar
[06:20] <ells>  but i cannot get the command correct. It says that it is not a tar archive. Can someone help me
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> or just search the forums
[06:20] <techn9ne> gdesklets are kinda a pain
[06:20] <bur[n] er> nm... graveman won't do it :\
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> that helps
[06:20] <techn9ne> i havnet been able to get them working
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> i never knew they were there
[06:20] <bur[n] er> yohannes: try k3b?
[06:20] <yohannes> can i use growisofs? although i suspect it is for burning dvd
[06:21] <yohannes> is it the only route?, k3b?
[06:21] <mouche> Thanks - frankly gdesklets should probably in the category of "wait till I have a clue in general" ;-)
[06:21] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er k3b is no longer cmpatible with hoary
[06:21] <TOP1yuiop> how do i check my hardware configurations/signings?
[06:21] <bur[n] er> ells: try 'tar xvfj blah.tar.bz2'
[06:21] <Tzi> Hi =)
[06:21] <techn9ne> mouche: if you're a newbie id wait on trying to get gdesklets working
[06:21] <BiteMeBill> mouche: they aren't that hard but it is a little confusing.
[06:21] <ells> bur thanks
[06:21] <yohannes> thanks anyway
[06:21] <Tzi> Does anyone know why removable drives are mounted and appear in Nautilus, but don't appear on the desktop?
[06:21] <GammaRay> bur[n] er,ells: the f should be before the file name
[06:22] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: ???
[06:22] <ells> okay
[06:22] <GammaRay> it may work otherwise but that's a fluke
[06:22] <GammaRay> f = heres my file
[06:22] <bur[n] er> ells: yw :)
[06:23] <ells> bur it worked
[06:23] <bur[n] er> i know ;)
[06:23] <mouche> thanks all, I'll let gdesklets wait
[06:23] <GammaRay> then what's w/ all the question marks?
[06:24] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: because i have no idea what you mean about the f before the filename when i typed 'tar xvfj blah.tar.bz2'.... in any event, it's irrelevant now ;)
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:24] <farruinn> Tzi: warty or hoary?
[06:25] <ells> someone just mentioned that k3b wont work with hoary
[06:25] <ells> what is one to use
[06:25] <bur[n] er> ells: graveman!!! :)
[06:25] <ells> bur, gravesman?
[06:25] <mouche> Here's something I can't understand re bookmarks export from firefox :  if exported as an html file, i get an error on trying to open it
[06:25] <ells> apt-get
[06:25] <bur[n] er> www.nongnu.org/graveman... it's also available via apt
[06:25] <Tzi> farruinn: Hoary
[06:25] <GammaRay> bur[n] er: the perpose of the f is to denote the file name.. it should go right before it. Depening on your tar it will either barf or silently fix it for you.
[06:25] <ells> bur, cool
[06:25] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er will gravman burn isos?
[06:26] <farruinn> Tzi: hmm, works fine in warty here.  Might be a nautilus setting
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> ells: get gnome-baker - its far better
[06:26] <Tzi> farruinn: Bugger =) Hmm...
[06:26] <TOP1yuiop> bur[n] er: i found i got 3 partitions on my master hdd and my slave hdd is not partitioned.
[06:26] <ells> da bon bon, cool
[06:26] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: right on, i never knew that :)
[06:26] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: yes
[06:26] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon will gnome baker burn isos?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: so partition the slave :P
[06:26] <TOP1yuiop> how?
[06:26] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er thankyou
[06:26] <bur[n] er> gnome-baker is better?  is it in apt?
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: yes
[06:27] <ells> da_bon_bon, where would I get that from
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: yes
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> in apt
[06:27] <bur[n] er> i've never had good luck with gnome-baker :\  but i haven't tried recent version
[06:27] <techn9ne> i like eroaster
[06:27] <ells> da_bon_bon I did apr-get and it was not there
[06:27] <alien_in_rm_309> why can't i extract files to folders in the file system?
[06:27] <Tzi> farruinn: You too want invisible volume icons? =)
[06:27] <alien_in_rm_309> i am the only account on the computer
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:27] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search gnome baker <---returns nothing :P
[06:28] <ells> da_bon_bon thanks
[06:28] <bur[n] er> i can't apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:28] <techn9ne> if you dont like gnome baker try eroaster. its got a nice UI
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> no space
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> gnomebaker
[06:28] <bur[n] er> i did it with no space
[06:28] <ells> da_bon_bon tried and nothing
[06:28] <dud> I'll catch some sleep now... ;)
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-cache polict gnomebaker
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> *polcy
[06:29] <dud> policy even
[06:29] <ells> da_bon_bon will try
[06:29] <bur[n] er> W: Unable to locate package gnomebaker
[06:29] <monoxide222> so... can anyone help me with my xmms problems?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: what's problem?
[06:29] <ells> da_bon_bon still nothing
[06:29] <monoxide222> it wont startup at all on hoary
[06:29] <bur[n] er> ells: graveman works ;)
[06:30] <ells> bur, it wont let me get it
[06:30] <ells> deps
[06:30] <bur[n] er> using warty?
[06:30] <monoxide222> i got disconnected and monoxide still hasnt pinged out :/
[06:30] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i change folder permissions?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: what happens when you type 'xmms' at a gnome-terminal?
[06:30] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er yep its not in synaptic either
[06:30] <Tzi> Hmm, think I might reinstall properly, using Array 5...
[06:30] <ells> bur, hoary
[06:30] <monoxide222> matthew@matthew-linux:~/.xmms $ xmms
[06:30] <monoxide222> Segmentation fault
[06:30] <monoxide222> matthew@matthew-linux:~/.xmms $
[06:30] <bur[n] er> ells: it's in my hoary ;)  using univers?
[06:30] <Tzi> Think the dist-upgrading is taking its toll
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> ells: warty / hoary ?
[06:31] <crimsun> monoxide222: timeout is 14400 seconds for freenode. You need to ghost your old nick if you want it gone.
[06:31] <ells> da_bon_bon hoary
[06:31] <ells> bur, can you give me your source
[06:31] <bur[n] er> sure
[06:31] <bur[n] er> one sec
[06:31] <monoxide222> trouble is its not my nick.... i didnt register it
[06:31] <bur[n] er> ells: http://burner.ath.cx/sources.list.txt
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-get install cdda2wav gnomebaker
[06:32] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: there is no gnomebaker!!!
[06:32] <bur[n] er> trust me ;)
[06:32] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:32] <crimsun> monoxide222: nvidia graphics card?
[06:32] <monoxide222> yes
[06:32] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: just use beep-media-player ;)
[06:32] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:32] <bur[n] er> dirty solution, but segfaults are not my specialty
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: well, i actually downloaded the deb from the web page,... i dont think its in the repos
[06:33] <monoxide222> yes, i have an nvidia graphics card
[06:33] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: then say that ;)
[06:33] <dud> xmms works on my nvidia...
[06:33] <bur[n] er> u said it was in apt :P  liar ;)
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: sorry, but then apt shows its in the repos too
[06:33] <bur[n] er> no
[06:33] <bur[n] er> apt shows it is installed
[06:33] <bur[n] er> not that it's in repos ;)
[06:35] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: apt-cache show gaveman (or whatever it is) | grep Filename
[06:35] <monoxide222> crimsun, yes, i have an nvidia card
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: ok,.. eroaster, is it good ?
[06:35] <TOP1yuiop> quick question, how do i add a user to my system?
[06:35] <crimsun> monoxide222: do you have any external plugins installed in ~/.xmms/Plugins/ ?
[06:35] <techn9ne> i dunno try for yourself... apt-get install eroaster ... you dont like it apt-get remove eroaster
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> TOP1yuiop: user manager
[06:35] <farruinn> TOP1yuiop: Computer>System>Users and Groups
[06:35] <bur[n] er> eroaster?  i dunno, i like graveman instead
[06:36] <ells> techn9ne, if you are in hoary, you cannot get any of those becasue of deps
[06:36] <monoxide222> crimsun, no
[06:36] <techn9ne> oh ok
[06:36] <techn9ne> hoary is too on the edge for me
[06:36] <techn9ne> i need the system to work everyday
[06:36] <GammaRay> bur[n] er: graveman isn't very polished.. can you even burn audio cds?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: sure
[06:37] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: see screenshots?
[06:37] <GammaRay> ofcourse
[06:37] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er whats the trick for burning isos with graveman
[06:37] <GammaRay> I mean you personally
[06:37] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: duplicate cd
[06:37] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: then the source is a .iso
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me where cedega stores its configs ?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> to make an image, the target is .iso ;)
[06:38] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: #cedega
[06:38] <Tzi> Has anyone used array 5?  Is it reasonably stable and complete?
[06:38] <techn9ne> da_bon_bon: never heard of that program but probably $home/cedega
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks, didnt know that channel existed
[06:38] <bur[n] er> not terribly intuitive, but you can also do "file -> copy cd and iso image"
[06:38] <techn9ne> or $home/.cedega
[06:38] <Tzi> ...And coherent
[06:38] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er thanks
[06:38] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: you're welcome
[06:38] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:38] <monoxide222> also, rythmbox will startup, but not play anything
[06:39] <techn9ne> monoxide222: are you trying to play mp3's ?
[06:39] <duncanm> hmm, one more question
[06:39] <techn9ne> you need gstreamer to do that
[06:39] <duncanm> in hoary, if i wanna get thumbnails of videos, do i need to do anything special?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> !restrictedformats
[06:39] <monoxide222> mp3/ogg's
[06:39] <techn9ne> monoxide222: use synaptic and search for "gsteamer"
[06:39] <bur[n] er> it should play oggs 'out of the box' so to speak
[06:39] <GammaRay> ...
[06:39] <techn9ne> or maybe you can just got sudo apt-get install gsteamer
[06:40] <monoxide222> im fairly sure i have gstreamer
[06:40] <Xenguy> bluefoxicy: sid
[06:40] <Xenguy> ww
[06:40] <lil_anthony> question trying to burn hoary in shell to a cd isn't the correct command cdrdao --device /dev/hdc hoary.iso ?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> techn9ne: thanks
[06:40] <techn9ne> monoxide222: can you hear any sounds?
[06:40] <GammaRay> why would he *not* have gstreamer?
[06:40] <techn9ne> GammaRay: because it doesn't come by default
[06:40] <bur[n] er> he wouldn't have gstreamer0.8-mad be default
[06:40] <Slaven> Gah
[06:40] <GammaRay> ... ofcourse it does
[06:40] <Slaven> I'm having a problem
[06:40] <GammaRay> it's the "media framework" of ubuntu
[06:41] <techn9ne> you cant play mp3's out of box
[06:41] <GammaRay> I know
[06:41] <monoxide222> yes, gstreamer is installed
[06:41] <GammaRay> that's a gstreamer plugin
[06:41] <GammaRay> gstreamer-mad
[06:41] <techn9ne> monoxide222: can you hear any sounds?
[06:41] <ells> does anyone have a cd burning program that will actually work in hoary
[06:41] <techn9ne> like when you logged ?
[06:41] <ells> if not I will uninstall this crap
[06:41] <monoxide222> techn9ne, both gaim and ubuntu are playing sounds fine
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> ells: graveman, gnomebaker
[06:41] <Slaven> Since I added debian unstable repositories and upgraded, any changes to my /dev is undone after rebooting.
[06:42] <ells> okay, graveman has deps that it wont let me have
[06:42] <techn9ne> i dont know then
[06:42] <bur[n] er> what are the deps?
[06:42] <techn9ne> ive found rythmbox to be buggy though
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> Slaven: becoz thats udev working.
[06:42] <bur[n] er> you sure u can't get em?
[06:42] <ells> hold on
[06:42] <crimsun> Slaven: udev takes care of /dev/ . Why are you mucking with /dev/ ?
[06:42] <Slaven> I want a /dev/dvd symlink
[06:42] <monoxide222> yes, i dont like rythmbox either. but neither it or xmms work
[06:42] <Slaven> and a /dvd/cdrom, preferably.
[06:42] <Slaven> ehm
[06:42] <ells> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:42] <ells>   graveman: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells>             Depends: sox but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells>   kdelibs4: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solutio
[06:42] <Slaven> /dev/cdrom
[06:42] <Slaven> not /dvd/cdrom
[06:43] <ells> da_bon_bon see
[06:43] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: try beep-media-player ?  or the command line mpg123?
[06:43] <techn9ne> monoxide222: xmms sucks, try beep
[06:43] <bur[n] er> xmms does not suck :P
[06:43] <techn9ne> it does compared to beep
[06:43] <SiRrUs> xmms is working ok for me
[06:43] <bur[n] er> it plays .flac where beep doesn't
[06:44] <techn9ne> whats flac?
[06:44] <Agrajag> free lossless audio codec
[06:44] <bur[n] er> i like beep since it's all gtk2, but still... i wanna play .flac (.flac == free lossless audio codec)
[06:44] <monoxide222> its a sound format
[06:44] <Slaven> is there any way I could have my /dev/dvd back? :P
[06:44] <monoxide222> one that iv only ever seen as an option for my cd ripper
[06:44] <ells> da_bon_bon, where ya at
[06:44] <bur[n] er> Slaven: when you reboot, the symlink you made is gone?
[06:44] <teratorn> funny, beep is based on xmms
[06:45] <techn9ne> monoxide222: try beep : apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> ells: meaning ?
[06:45] <Slaven> and out of curiosity, what makes beep a better player than xmms? (haven't looked into it)
[06:45] <ells> I showed you the deps
[06:45] <monoxide222> Slaven, ln /dev/dvd /dev/hd(whatever letter your dvd drive is
[06:45] <Slaven> bur[n] er: Nope.
[06:45] <techn9ne> Slaven: beep uses gtk2
[06:45] <monoxide222> i am downloading it now
[06:45] <ells> da_bon_bon, I showed you the deps
[06:45] <Slaven> monoxide222: but the changes are removed after rebooting.
[06:46] <Slaven> new mtab entries as well
[06:46] <crimsun> Slaven: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[06:46] <monoxide222> :/ mine isnt... i dont think
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> ells: where ? i didnt see 'em
[06:46] <monoxide222> ohh.. it is too...
[06:46] <ells> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solutio
[06:46] <monoxide222> you could try adding that command to /etc/bash.bashrc
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> ells: ok..
[06:46] <bur[n] er> ells: add universe?
[06:47] <helio7> techn9ne: if you want to learn about flac check http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> ells: add universe, multiverse
[06:47] <bur[n] er> ells: try the sources.list that i posted?
[06:47] <ells> what are the exact urls
[06:47] <Slaven> crimsun: udev.rules
[06:47] <membreya> hmmm i installed the new Gaim...rebooted my computer and it reverted back to the old gaim.
[06:47] <crimsun> Slaven: that's why you're missing /dev/{cdrom,dvd}
[06:47] <monoxide222> ok, another problem iv been having is booting this box.... it will only boot (exactly) every second time, and when it does boot, it wont mount my harddrives properly
[06:47] <Slaven> crimsun: what do I do?
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, what are the urls
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: use synaptic..
[06:48] <techn9ne> monoxide222: what does it say?
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, okay, but I need to add the urls, right
[06:48] <crimsun> Slaven: cd /etc/udev/rules.d && sudo ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules .
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, okay, what are the urls
[06:48] <bur[n] er> ells: http://burner.ath.cx/sources.list.txt
[06:48] <ells> the sources
[06:48] <crimsun> Slaven: then: cd / && sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: please read in the sources.list file
[06:49] <ells> cool
[06:49] <monoxide222> techn9ne, something along the lines of it isnt a valid block device, so i login to single user and run "mount -a" and it mounts them fine
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: if pgrep udev shows a no. means that udev is runnin,rite ?
[06:49] <Slaven> crimsun: Most grateful.
[06:49] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes
[06:49] <techn9ne> monoxide222: have you tried a complete scan of the hd to test for physical errors?
[06:50] <monoxide222> with what program?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: try "ps ax |grep udev"  you might like that command ;)
[06:50] <monoxide222> its a new harddrive
[06:50] <monoxide222> i only got it say 2 weeks ago
[06:50] <techn9ne> that means nothing
[06:50] <bur[n] er> good call
[06:50] <techn9ne> ive bought a lot of bad h/w
[06:50] <monoxide222> yea, well i was hoping it would last a bit longer :/
[06:50] <lil_anthony> question: after upgrading from warty to hoary x will not start i'm curious do i need to install xserver-xorg ?
[06:50] <techn9ne> well its under warranty for a year
[06:50] <ells> da_bon_bon, I already have those sources
[06:51] <monoxide222> how would i check for physical errors?
[06:51] <techn9ne> i dont know the command
[06:51] <ElectricSheep> anyone know how I change my default session to XFce? it dont ask me anymore from the login page....
[06:51] <Slaven> yeah, harddrives are the typical disappointments.
[06:51] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: don't 'need' to, but it's worth a shot
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: apt-get remove xserver-xfree86
[06:51] <lil_anthony> ok let me try
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> ells: then, apt-get update ; apt-get install cdda2wav gnomebaker graveman eroaster
[06:51] <lil_anthony> apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 you say?
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> yes
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: yes
[06:51] <ells> cool, will try
[06:51] <lil_anthony> ok worth a shot thanks brb
[06:51] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: gnomebaker won't be there still :P
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: that will remove xfree and install xorg
[06:52] <bur[n] er> the remove is unnecessary
[06:52] <bur[n] er> just apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:52] <bur[n] er> it will uninstall xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <lil_anthony> ok
[06:52] <lil_anthony> install these packages without verification y/n?
[06:52] <lil_anthony> xserver-xorg x-window-system-core
[06:53] <bur[n] er> sure
[06:53] <lil_anthony> sure as in yes? just making sure i'm doing it write sorry for all the questions
[06:53] <bur[n] er> yes ;)
[06:53] <lil_anthony> thanks
[06:53] <monoxide222> beep player seems to be working :)
[06:53] <bur[n] er> and it's "right" :P
[06:53] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: :)
[06:53] <mouche> question re. xchat log files:  is there anyway to change the folder that log files are saved to?  Can't find anything in prefs or help
[06:53] <mouche> it's a pain to have them in a hidden folder
[06:54] <monoxide222> and it looks exactly like xmms, save the skin
[06:54] <lil_anthony> after it completes then restart pc?
[06:54] <monoxide222> there is no "open directory" though :(
[06:55] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: couldn't hurt ;)
[06:55] <lil_anthony> true considering the system is dead :)
[06:56] <g_> i am new to ubuntu i want to know how to play mp3
[06:57] <techn9ne> monoxide222: just go into playlist editor
[06:57] <techn9ne> monoxide222: it works like xmms 'cause its a fork of it
[06:57] <lil_anthony> bur[n] er: still gives me the bubbabox login: prompt should i simply type startx now?
[06:57] <mouche> g, I think I showed you the way with that!
[06:57] <g_> where is that located
[06:57] <mouche> is this g in jh by any chance?
[06:58] <techn9ne> g_: you need gsteamer
[06:58] <g_> mouche
[06:58] <monoxide222> techn9ne, yea, but i have all my music sorted into several folders under one folder. with xmms i could just say "play folder" on the root folder and it would play all my music
[06:58] <Agrajag> techn9ne: stop telling people that
[06:58] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: go for it ;)
[06:58] <g_> who are you
[06:58] <Agrajag> it's not gstreamer, gstreamer comes with ubuntu.
[06:58] <bur[n] er> or try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[06:58] <duncanm> anyone know how to debug why video thumbnailing isn't working?
[06:58] <Agrajag> gstreamer-mad is the necessary package.
[06:58] <lil_anthony> ok i did and gnome will not start
[06:59] <mouche> try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[06:59] <lil_anthony> should i try to install ubuntu-desktop now?
[06:59] <techn9ne> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:59] <bur[n] er> ubuntu-desktop?
[06:59] <monoxide222> also, does beep play wma's?
[06:59] <bur[n] er> what's startx say?
[06:59] <lil_anthony> well i could type it to you in pm if that would help
[06:59] <lil_anthony> or ehere but its long
[06:59] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: test it ;)
[06:59] <duncanm> hrm
[06:59] <duncanm> (totem-video-thumbnailer:2282): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1716: signal `group-switch' is invalid for instance `0x80fffc8'
[06:59] <duncanm> ** (totem-video-thumbnailer:2282): CRITICAL **: bacon_video_widget_open_with_subtitle: assertion `mrl != NULL' failed
[06:59] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: try the gdm thing first ;)
[07:00] <lil_anthony> ok
[07:00] <lil_anthony> just type gdm?
[07:00] <bur[n] er> no
[07:00] <bur[n] er> look at what i said ;)
[07:00] <bur[n] er> or try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[07:00] <lil_anthony> aww ok sorry i had missed that
[07:00] <bur[n] er> no worries, i didn't type your nick ;)
[07:00] <monoxide222> The following files could not be played. Please check that:
[07:00] <monoxide222> 1. they are accessible.
[07:00] <monoxide222> 2. you have enabled the media plugins required.
[07:01] <monoxide222> so does anyone know what plugin it needs?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> wma plugin? ;)
[07:01] <monoxide222> lol
[07:01] <huDeHell> what the fck is wma?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> windows media audio
[07:01] <monoxide222> windows media audio
[07:01] <lil_anthony> bur[n] er: ok so restart gdm then type startx?
[07:01] <crimsun> you need 'w32codecs' from debian-marillat.
[07:01] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: no
[07:01] <eskilo> so bush smoked pot eh?
[07:01] <crimsun> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:01] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: restart gdm should show a login screen
[07:01] <lil_anthony> ok as you can tell i'm lost
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: xine has all the codecs already isntalled
[07:01] <lil_anthony> no it doesn't
[07:02] <lil_anthony> as in no it doesn't show login
[07:02] <eskilo> does xine come with theora?
[07:02] <monoxide222> would it be on apt anrd what would it be called?
[07:02] <duncanm> lil_anthony: do you know anything about gnome-video-thumbnailer?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> eskilo: no
[07:02] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: try to hit "alt+f7" after you restart gdm
[07:02] <huDeHell> monoxide222, i d get xine for tat creepy codec..
[07:02] <eskilo> well, that's a serious failing.
[07:02] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: go to the link crimsun pasted :P
[07:02] <lil_anthony> that does nothing
[07:02] <huDeHell> with xine u just dont have to wine
[07:03] <monoxide222> i have w32codecs
[07:03] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: u can play it with totem i'm sure
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> monoxide222: good.
[07:03] <bur[n] er> beep uses it's own playback... so it's funny
[07:03] <lil_anthony> it can't load synaptics for one
[07:03] <monoxide222> yes, you can. but tahts a seperate player.... not my favourite way of doing it
[07:04] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: u get the xorg package for synaptics?
[07:04] <membreya> is there any way to control the buffer length of dmesg??
[07:04] <lil_anthony> not that i know of
[07:04] <lil_anthony> here is what i did exactly
[07:04] <lil_anthony> i downgraded all the backports as stated on the website
[07:04] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics ??
[07:04] <lil_anthony> and removed all the left over backports manually
[07:04] <huDeHell> which scripts has been used while making the newest ubuntu live cd?
[07:04] <crimsun> membreya: -s
[07:04] <lil_anthony> then i did a apt-update after changing warty to hoary
[07:05] <lil_anthony> then dist-upgrade
[07:05] <huDeHell> mklivecd, live-cd or whatever?
[07:05] <lil_anthony> and here i am
[07:05] <bur[n] er> oooh
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> ppl who signed up to be upfated on gmail, got an invitation ??
[07:05] <bur[n] er> i would say do upgrades first
[07:05] <bur[n] er> then dist-upgrade :\
[07:05] <lil_anthony> well what do you recommend now ?
[07:05] <monoxide222> that link says what to do for mp3, but not wma
[07:05] <bur[n] er> but... regardless, did you get any apt errors?  maybe it didn't finish?  "apt-get -f install" ??  maybe try apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade again and see if anything is left?
[07:05] <lil_anthony> sudo apt-get upgrade?
[07:05] <crimsun> monoxide222: also wma.
[07:06] <lil_anthony> no all was good
[07:06] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: try a 'find' for wma
[07:06] <monoxide222> MP3 and Windows Media Audio
[07:06] <eskilo> ever since i switched from slack to ubuntu i can't join dalnet.  anyone else have that problem?
[07:06] <monoxide222> but all it says is that wma is patent encumbered, nothing about how to fix it
[07:06] <crimsun> monoxide222: ...install w32codecs.
[07:06] <lil_anthony> i'm downloading the iso so hopefully i can get the iso to work of array 5
[07:07] <lil_anthony> but i don't understand why the upgrade isn't working honestly
[07:07] <monoxide222> w32codecs is already the newest version.
[07:07] <bur[n] er> monoxide: try totem?
[07:07] <eskilo> what does it mean when apt-get says, "The following packages have been kept back:"
[07:07] <crimsun> monoxide: you don't have the full ("all") package, do you?
[07:07] <eskilo> why is it not upgrading that package
[07:07] <lil_anthony> is there a log file taht i could maybe ssh over to this pc and this post it to get a better idea?
[07:07] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: yeah, i would always 'upgrade' before 'dist-upgrade'
[07:07] <techn9ne> monoxide: get totem-xine
[07:07] <huDeHell> anyone here has experiences with making own live-cds? which scripts do u recommend??
[07:07] <lil_anthony> well i will know th at for now on
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: is the all required ? the w32codecs dont have all only essential, right ?
[07:07] <monoxide> bur[n] er, like i said, it works with totem, but thats a seperate program, id rather keep it all in one
[07:07] <derek> long time debian user looking to try ubuntu as have new dell latitude d505.... i grabbed the warty livecd it gives error
[07:08] <lil_anthony> what do you suggest at this point?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: tough ;)
[07:08] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: correct
[07:08] <derek> "The operating system denied access to the specified file."
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: does it /really/ make a differnce ?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: u can use totem for everything...
[07:08] <crimsun> derek: at this point, I strongly urge you to try Array 5
[07:08] <derek> i think it is trying to run start.exe
[07:08] <eskilo> is there a way to make grub display in a higher resolution?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: i use rhythmbox for music and totem for video... with an occasional xmms to play .flac
[07:09] <derek> what is array 5?
[07:09] <crimsun> see the topic.
[07:09] <jdub> the fifth test release
[07:10] <lil_anthony> derek: yeah try array 5 me and you can try to fix this together :) cause i'm lost at this point hope the iso works
[07:10] <derek> this is new lingo to me
[07:10] <crimsun> which, coincidentally, needs to be freshened ;)
[07:10] <derek> i believe i have warty 4.10