[05:13] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: maybe i made some mistake when installing but glade throws a warning about libxfce4ui not being available but then displays the dialogs correctly...
[11:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: just looked into that, seems the line needs to be changed to
[11:43] <bluesabre> <requires lib="libxfce4ui-2" version="4.12"/>
[11:43] <bluesabre> (with the -2)
[11:44] <bluesabre> in the .glade/.ui file you are editing, that is
[11:49] <eric_the_idiot> bluesabre: also if you save the file with glade, it looks like it adds it for you. At least it did for xfsm for me
[11:49] <bluesabre> handy dandy
[11:49] <bluesabre> and hey eric_the_idiot :)
[11:50] <eric_the_idiot> hi
[11:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, read that in #xfce-dev already ;)
[11:54] <bluesabre> :)
[11:54]  * bluesabre goes about porting
[11:54] <ochosi> nice
[11:54] <ochosi> i'll jump in tonight
[11:55] <ochosi> gotta run now (get the kid out of the house and all)
[11:55] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi, hf


[00:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[00:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: interested in apturl being in core, or just desktop?
[00:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm very open to input on it, my opinion would be the latter though as there's nothing to open at the moment.
[00:58] <bluesabre> Alrighty, will go for desktop for now until somebody else asks for it :)
[00:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Demote orage to supported @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=147b4c31b2c1abd1289532bfdcd80222628eeeb0 (by Sean Davis)
[00:58] <Unit193> Oh, and there's been a few removals from Debian as of late.
[00:59] <Unit193> I wondered the other day why doc-base was required too.
[01:00] <bluesabre> yeah, I know mugshot got removed a few months ago... after waiting a while for a sponsored upload, deb packaging got a bump and my package was no longer ready to go... then work craziness hit for several weeks
[01:01] <Unit193> I don't mean testing removals, didn't see mugshot actually.
[01:02] <Unit193> Debian #916175, #916394, #916395, #916473
[01:03] <bluesabre> That seems fair
[01:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Add apturl to desktop @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=682bd1eb5c41fc9e8d841a6fb8bf6fc1f97a22ca (by Sean Davis)
[01:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Add gimp to desktop @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=744d8414056004859a4b4c2fb7af6e40449c3fe4 (by Sean Davis)
[01:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Add libreoffice-impress to desktop @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=5f5bf96fcf3ec0ae14d5aaa4e6955d3fc68d89ab (by Sean Davis)
[01:08] <Unit193> IOW: We'll want to drop from supported/etc.  PS: powerpc doesn't exist anymore.
[01:13] <bluesabre> ? Drop from supported?
[01:13] <Unit193> Those which were removed?
[01:14] <bluesabre> OH
[01:14] <bluesabre> I get it now
[01:14] <bluesabre> :D
[01:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: basically http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ggy37Cd5X9/ for the powerpc cleanup, then?
[01:19] <Unit193> I guess?
[01:20] <bluesabre> :D
[01:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Drop powerpc rules now that it's no longer supported @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=b0b87544c04bb69400a078ba7bac31b175ee2704 (by Sean Davis)
[01:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Drop xfwm4-themes from supported, removed in Debian (Debian #916394) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=ca19ad111491c3e6d6d2b3017c26617d5bb6048a (by Sean Davis)
[01:29] <bluesabre> looks like xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin is gone as of disco
[01:30] <Unit193> Debian 909419
[01:37] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Drop xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin from desktop, removed in Debian (Debian #909419) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=143b20c10e8f21ecd142e0d26ec23c57c3a99e90 (by Sean Davis)
[01:43] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Drop thunderbird from desktop for s390x @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=d5897189fd08fbe9e2ffb921cfd433c63e65a528 (by Sean Davis)
[03:47] <jbicha> why do you want to add gimp? Debian GNOME is removing gimp from its default install
[09:22] <knome> jbicha, i guess the argument is that it's still the best bitmap image editor out there, and there aren't really good light alternatives for it
[13:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: any thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1801629, or does that it seem like a good idea to add that to -core?
[14:29] <jbicha> knome: ok, but do most people need a bitmap image editor?
[14:45] <bluesabre> jbicha: in general, we have no image editing or printing functionality in Xubuntu without gimp, outside of a roundabout path via libreoffice.
[14:45] <bluesabre> we have an image viewer only
[14:59] <bluesabre> Created a rolling sru blueprint. This is a good place to link to bugs we need to resolve in previous stable releases (otherwise, they always show up as fix resolved) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-sru
[15:08] <brainwash> bluesabre: you want to fix the tv mode one in 16.04?
[15:09] <bluesabre> I don't think that'd be a bad thing to do... I feel like we've meant to but it kept falling through the cracks
[15:09] <bluesabre> Currently trying to dig up all the things we said we'd SRU and then didn't
[15:11] <brainwash> the xfce4-settings package has support for 3 or 5 years?
[15:19] <bluesabre> 3, it's in universe
[15:21] <bluesabre> Alrighty, added everything that I had in recent lists
[15:22] <bluesabre> Added one more
[15:22] <bluesabre> bbl
[18:51] <knome> jbicha, my vote would be against it, so don't ask me for rationales ;)


[07:05] <Guest92> Hi community ...I would a brief question ...
[07:06] <Guest92> have ... of course
[07:10] <alkisg> !ask | Guest92
[07:10] <Guest92> To be more precise ... I want to replace my 11-year old laptop with a new one .... my question would be ... would DOSBox work ...
[07:11] <Guest92> Okay, got it
[07:11] <alkisg> Sure, dosbox is still available
[07:13] <Guest92> And what VM for some old Windows SW would you advise
[07:13] <Guest92> Thx for the help
[07:34] <Guest92> Maybe anyone about the VM question ... please
[08:07] <noaXess> using VirtualBox since years... works fine https://www.virtualbox.org/
[08:09] <noaXess> or KVM https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[08:13] <Guest92> Thanks a l8t
[08:30] <noaXess> welcome
 If anyone had a Grub "error: out of memory" when upgrading to 22.04, I found a solution.
[10:05] <ick> IrcsomeBot : wow I'm curious
[10:11] <yuri6037> Hi, I'm back does anyone know if it's possible to choose which disk to erase when erasing disks?
[11:05] <yuri6037> I have another question: how can I set a swap partition as cryptswap under kubuntu
[11:05] <yuri6037> ?
[11:05] <yuri6037> From the installer
[11:10] <yuri6037> anyone?
[11:42] <guruprasad> You should create a cryptsetup device, mount it and then configure the corresponding device-mapper device as the swap partition.
[11:42] <guruprasad> yuri6037, ^
[11:42] <guruprasad> i.e., the installer need not know about the cryptsetup part at all.
[11:43] <yuri6037> ok so do like other partitions
[11:43] <guruprasad> After the installation is done, you should not reboot, open a terminal and set up /etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab with the appropriate lines.
[11:43] <yuri6037> ok
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:55] <yuri6037> guruprasad: I just tried running the installer with cryptswap and my existing partition but it failed with an error saying that it could not format cryptswap as swap
[11:58] <yuri6037> It says "The creation of swap space in partition #1 of Encrypted volume (cryptswap) failed." Do you know any reason why it fails?
[12:12] <yuri6037> apparently the installer does not support cryptswap
[12:12] <yuri6037> it only supports plain swap
[12:13] <BluesKaj> why cryptswap anyway ?
[12:15] <cbreak> yuri6037: I have swap0      PARTUUID="216619ae-cf7c-XXXXXX"	/dev/urandom   swap,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256 in my /etc/crypttab
[12:15] <cbreak> and /dev/mapper/swap0	none	swap	sw	0	0 in my /etc/fstab
[12:15] <yuri6037> because I'm tired of the pop os non-sense of breaking user workflow at each new update so I decided to get rid of this shitty OS and use a real one such as kubuntu
[12:15] <cbreak> it seems to work, but I've not rebooted since I set this up, so not sure if it will survive a reboot :)
[12:16] <yuri6037> Yeah I'm gonna have to recreate the cryptswap now that install finished
[12:17] <cbreak> I've not used any swap for over a year
[12:17] <cbreak> you might not need it, depending on your workload / actual RAM
[12:18] <yuri6037> it's just that the installer is unable to use a cryptswap instead of a swap it wants a plain swap partition. It however accepts to format normal encrypted partitions once you cryptsetup open them
[12:18] <yuri6037> yeah I don't think I need swap anyway cause it's a whopping 32Gb of RAM that I got
[12:19] <yuri6037> it's just to be safe because of IDEs which consumes half of your RAM (IDEA....)
[12:38] <yuri6037> well that was a complete failure
[12:38] <yuri6037> the system is even worse than before now there's no boot at all.  I can't upgrade to 22.04 from 21.10. I run update;upgrade;do-release-upgrade -m desktop and I get "Checking for a new Ubuntu release" "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading"
[13:05] <estan> hi folks, upgraded to 22.04 and now my X1C6 laptop won't suspend (neither through lid close nor picking it from menu) - it just throws me out to the lock screen instead. suspend works with echo mem > /sys/power/state though. systemd-inhibit --list shows powerdevil as blocking sleep, which i think is normal.
[13:06] <estan> upower -m --monitor-detail i think looks normal when i request suspend, but i'm not sure what to look for.
[13:06] <estan> how can i debug powerdevil issues? is there some verbose logging i could turn on, or some debug envvar?
[13:07] <estan> powerdevil showing up as blocking sleep is normal i mean because powerdevil is the one fully handling power when KDE is used.
[13:08] <estan> anyone else seen this? dmesg is not turning up anything interesting either i think..
[13:13] <estan> systemctl suspend also just throws me to the session lock screen.
[13:15] <estan> systemd-inhibit --list currently lists NetworkManager, upowerd, unattended-upgrades and ksmserver as inhibitors with mode "delay", and just powerdevil as inhibitor with mode "block". it seems reasonable to me.
[13:17] <estan> can i snoop on some dbus messages to figure out what is going on?
[14:12] <cbreak> iomari891: I think there are still problems with it
[14:12] <cbreak> they might have disabled updates
[14:12] <cbreak> no progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1970066
[14:14] <yuri6037> I figured it out: grub2 somehow refuses to boot directly from luks2>lvm>/boot
[14:16] <yuri6037> I just replaced recovery by /boot ext2 formatted and grub accepts to boot from this partition which then bootstraps cryptsetup and unlocks the / and /home partitions so now the system is running Kubuntu
[14:16] <yuri6037> the entire home folder seem to work except for one thing: firefox KDE addon is broken
[14:38] <user|19> hi, how can I upgrade KDE actually I'm in 5.18
[14:39] <RikMills> upgrade to a new kubuntu release
[14:40] <user|19> its not an option i want to stay in 20.04 for a little bit
[14:44] <RikMills> it that case newer plasma is not possible. it requires a newer Qt verion than exists in 20.04
[14:47] <user|19> ok got it  thanks!
[14:54] <estan> hi. just me again with the suspend problem: figure it out: at some point i had some nvidia packages installed, despite the laptop not having an NVIDIA GPU (we use CUDA at work), and somehow a few stale symbolic links to nvidia-suspend.service and nvidia-resume.service had been left in /etc/systemd/system/systemd-suspend.service.requires and /etc/systemd/system/systemd-hibernate.service.requires
[14:54] <estan> removing the stale links, then systemctl daemon-reload and voila, laptop suspends/resumes fine again.
[14:56] <estan> for some reason i had to first kill all inhibitors listed by systemd-inhibit --list, before trying systemctl suspend, in order to actually get the error message that told me that the stale link to nvidia-suspend.service was the problem.
[14:58] <yuri6037> I've just reconnected IRC on the new Kubuntu. After checking, I found out why firefox is broken: the snap package is enforced instead of the standard apt package
[14:58] <yuri6037> that's a defect of kubuntu
[14:59] <oerheks> snap is not a defect, check permissions of firefox
[15:09] <yuri6037> and which permission will enable firefox KDE addon to work?
[15:10] <yuri6037> And in my opinion snap is a defect for 1 - it does not support all features normal apps would 2 - it requires manual interaction instead of all GUI based like permission systems on mac!
[15:11] <yuri6037> If the software installer cannot provide full GUI then it is perferable in my opinion that the softare installer does not exist
[15:12] <yuri6037> If the software installer cannot support all features than the older method support then it is preferable in my opinion that the software does not exist
[15:12] <yuri6037> Of course snap fails point 1 (having a proper GUI) and fails point 2 (does not support all features that APT does; ex does not run firefox KDE addon on the first try)
[15:13] <yuri6037> so you can conclude based on these 2 points that snap is a defect
[15:13] <yuri6037> if you want to continue I can give you another point
[15:54] <deskwizard> Howdy!
[16:07] <cbreak> what does the firefox kde addon do?
[16:08] <RikMills> cbreak: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Browser_Integration
[16:09] <cbreak> thanks
[16:10] <cbreak> hmm... at least the multimedia stuff seems to work without it
[16:10] <cbreak> maybe I installed it already
[16:11] <cbreak> seems I disabled it and it still works. Interesting.
[16:23] <cbreak> is there a way to make programs remember which virtual desktop / which workspace windows are on?
[16:23] <cbreak> when I restart firefox, it reopens all windows on the current workspace
[16:25] <noob8650> cbreak: You might also be screwed over by the (forced) transition onto snap packaging for Firefox. It messed with my setup too and I have no solution right now. kinda miffed.
[16:29] <cbreak> not yet
[16:29] <cbreak> 22.04 has much worse problems than firefox in snap :(
[16:30] <cbreak> I don't particularly like snap, but for firefox it's probably not too bad... if it works... (which I've not seen yet). I don't think I need the plasma integration myself, it doesn't seem to offer anythig I need. Media keys in particular seem to work without it.
[16:35] <GSMarquis77> Finally have a gpu inbound. Been waiting over a year. A nuke n pave with 22.04 and a 6700xt. Im pumped.
[16:36] <cbreak> GSMarquis77: good luck :D
[16:36] <cbreak> (I hope it's a new one. If it's used by one of those crypto currency mining morons, it might be on its last leg... or worse...)
[16:36] <GSMarquis77> New from AMD direct. No scalped or miner abused cards.
[16:37] <GSMarquis77> Thats why it took a year. I refused to support scalper.
[16:38] <cbreak> I was luckily able to "loan" a 1080 from work, or I'd be stuck with a 1030... :/ But with it, I can afford to wait for the next series release
[16:39] <GSMarquis77> Replacing a get me by for desktop use 1gig AMD super old card in a new rig. Couldnt get anything for a long time.
[16:52] <noob8650> cbreak: Yeah, I think I'm gonna try to ditch ubuntu to be honest. Are there any good distros that are easy to install and have good KDE support? Also I'm weary of Debian since apparently they're for all their stability unable to stop themselves from having 150 open vulnerabilities.
[16:58] <mparillo> There you go. Once Mint dropped KDE, you are pretty stuck looking for easy. Arch and Gentoo are hard, Manjaro has multiple flaws, I found OpenSuSE sluggish, and Fedora was fine out of the box, but as soon as I wanted to add anything, I had difficulties finding it.
[16:59] <mparillo> Debian is really old, unless you want testing and then it is only a little old, and Sid is, well, Sid.
[17:00] <mparillo> Kaos may now support GTK apps, but their repos are really small.
[17:25] <cbreak> noob8650: I like ubuntu the most. There are probably others, but I don't know them :P
[17:57] <deskwizard> just switched over from mint, I quite dig plasma to be honest, feels a lot quicker too.
[18:06] <deskwizard> no video tearing, power management not f.... one way or another (close to perfect in my book, but I'm picky :P)
[18:07] <deskwizard> proper QT
[18:07] <deskwizard> it's quite wonderful.
[18:11] <cbreak> QuickTime ftw!
[18:11] <deskwizard> lmao
[18:12] <deskwizard> close enough :P
[18:16] <deskwizard> if I can get all my BS working properly, it'll be a great day.
[18:16] <deskwizard> I made myself a drink just in case, also, changing channel before the warning.
[18:53] <user|54> Is it necessary to create swap area in kubuntu
[18:54] <tomreyn> is swap strictly neccessary? no. should you have swap? probably yes.
[18:55] <tomreyn> swap doesn't have to be a partition, though, can be a file on another file system
[19:22] <VidenteCiego> Alguien que hable español
[20:32] <user|77> hello , new to kubuntu  , did a clean install of 22.04 and get the acpi error on boot up .
[20:33] <user|77> have tried some things with no luck .
[23:17] <mrsaatci> Hello, I’m having a weird issue with my computer. Network disconnects randomly and if I go try to disable wifi or Connect to a different network it freezes and then shuts down completely
[23:18] <mrsaatci> Any idea what could be happening?
[23:19] <cbreak> mrsaatci: have you checked the output of journalctl --since 00:00 or of dmesg? Maybe that helps you find out more
[23:23] <mrsaatci> I’ll do that
 Hi all. Anyone known how to return (show) application menu at top any windows at Kubuntu 22.04 LTS?


[00:00] <ShwnVnrt> would font config reg..   would it be faster if i install font config before DE's?
[00:01] <ShwnVnrt> debootstrap chroot
[00:02] <ShwnVnrt> i also would like to share my Pi2/3 builds  https://sourceforge.net/projects/ultimateedition-ports/files/PiFlavourMaker/
[00:02] <ShwnVnrt> i have a zesty ubuntu studio
[00:53] <ShwnVnrt> cancel questions request... my builds fail faster than i can get replys.. so i can just test my own thoughts.. again thanks...
[00:53] <ShwnVnrt> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ultimateedition-ports/files/PiFlavourMaker/
[13:40] <ZargosLord> hello everyone
[13:41] <cfhowlett> ask your question, ZargosLord
[13:41] <ZargosLord> can someone help me with JACKD? since some days i can't start jackd anymore, it was working fine and now i can start the server jackd but impossible to connect on the server with sqjackctl or anything alse
[13:41] <ZargosLord> sorry not sqjackctl but qjackctl
[13:41] <cfhowlett> ZargosLord, if no answer here, see #linuxaudio
[13:41] <ZargosLord> ok thank for info
[13:41] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[13:44] <ZargosLord> well, noone on #linuxaudio :)
[13:52] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: have you logged out and in sice you have had problemes with jackd?
[13:56] <ZargosLord> i ve done all necessary for jackd for the ulimits configuration
[13:56] <ZargosLord> ulimit -l -r is correct
[13:57] <ZargosLord> but jackd doesn t seems to see it
[13:57] <ZargosLord> it startd, but each time i try to connect it fail
[13:57] <ZargosLord> i have 2 computer with ubuntu studio installed and both have the same behavior
[13:58] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: I would have figgered that that was set correctly if it worked before as it seems from your comment, but maybe it has never worked?
[13:58] <ZargosLord> i use driver alsa off course
[13:58] <ZargosLord> it has work as far as 10 days ago
[13:58] <ZargosLord> i've even made a Hydrogen file for 21 pilots song Heathens :)
[13:58] <OvenWerk1> so jack worked up till 10 days ago.
[13:58] <ZargosLord> yes
[13:59] <OvenWerk1> Have you logged out and since that time.
[13:59] <ZargosLord> i think that there was something is an update
[13:59] <ZargosLord> could rthat be the problem with pulseaudio?
[13:59] <ZargosLord> i have restarted at least 10 times :)
[13:59] <ZargosLord> on both computers
[13:59] <OvenWerk1> pulseaudio has not tended to be a problem since about 12.04
[14:00] <OvenWerk1> what os are you running?
[14:00] <OvenWerk1> (16.04, 1610)
[14:00] <ZargosLord> 16.10
[14:01] <OvenWerk1> OK
[14:01] <OvenWerk1> I do not have a copy running here to test.
[14:01] <OvenWerk1> so...
[14:02] <OvenWerk1> lets try: cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[14:02] <OvenWerk1> pastebin.com would be a good place to paste the results and put the url here
[14:03] <ZargosLord> zargos@zargoslp:/tmp$ bash ./adevices.sh  [14:03] <ZargosLord> oops :)
[14:04] <ZargosLord> http://pastebin.com/L7EEMJkr
[14:07] <ZargosLord> http://pastebin.com/5wMwmCpA
[14:07] <OvenWerk1> ok try jack_control ds alsa dps capture none dps playback none
[14:07] <ZargosLord> this one is better as it include my iRigUA connected to USB as i'm using jack with qjackcontrol with Calf or rakarrak
[14:08] <ZargosLord> zargos@zargoslp:/tmp$ jack_control ds alsa dps capture none dps playback none --- driver select "alsa" --- driver param set "capture" -> "none" --- driver param set "playback" -> "none"
[14:08] <ZargosLord> and it stopped
[14:08] <ZargosLord> my ps -eaf | grep -i jack gives me
[14:09] <ZargosLord> zargos   18413 17123  0 12:21 ?        00:00:02 /usr/bin/jackdbus auto
[14:09] <ZargosLord> nothing else
[14:09] <OvenWerk1> Which should sort of reset some things. then jack_control dps device hw:UA dps rate 48000 dps period 1024  dps nperiods 2 start
[14:10] <ZargosLord> zargos@zargoslp:/tmp$ jack_control dps device hw:UA dps rate 48000 dps period 1024  dps nperiods 2 start --- driver param set "device" -> "hw:UA" --- driver param set "rate" -> "48000" --- driver param set "period" -> "1024" --- driver param set "nperiods" -> "2" --- start
[14:10] <ZargosLord> and same as ps -eaf | grep -i jack
[14:10] <ZargosLord> only dbus
[14:11] <ZargosLord> http://pastebin.com/STUcK0ur
[14:12] <ZargosLord> in ~/.jackdrc i have
[14:13] <OvenWerk1> So if you start qjackctl it should show that jack is already running
[14:13] <OvenWerk1> if you hit the connections button you should see your device.
[14:13] <ZargosLord> yes i have launch qjackctl and i see all connexion in the gui
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: qjackctl is set up by default to use jackdbus rather than jackd
[14:15] <ZargosLord> but i hear no sound
[14:16] <ZargosLord> i see in calf the audio meter moving when i play my guitar :)
[14:16] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: where did you expect to hear sound from?
[14:16] <ZargosLord> gutar connected to iRigUA then sent through jacjd in calf then from calf to playback
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> playback is the iRigUA as well?
[14:17] <ZargosLord> lol yes :)
[14:17] <ZargosLord> i bve just see than too :)
[14:17] <ZargosLord> i m doing  what necessaery
[14:17] <ZargosLord> as sometime i use computer playback instaed
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> Just checking, I get a lot of people try to do input on one device and output on another...
[14:18] <ZargosLord> yes it is working with external HP
[14:18] <ZargosLord> yes usually i configure with hw:UA in input and hw:Intel in output
[14:19] <OvenWerk1> That should fail
[14:19] <OvenWerk1> The two will not be in sync
[14:20] <ZargosLord> i have some msec difference yes
[14:21] <ZargosLord> so i have to understand what have been done ;)
[14:21] <OvenWerk1> If you want output to the internal... yu can try zita-j2a -j internal  -d hw:0  -r 48000  -p 128  -n 2 &
[14:22] <OvenWerk1> And you should see output connection appear that is called internal.
[14:22] <ZargosLord> yes i see it :)
[14:23] <OvenWerk1> to lower delay, try  jack_bufsize 128
[14:24] <ZargosLord> yes that part i know it :) it is actually better that what i had used before when it worked
[14:24] <ZargosLord> i'll have to note everything
[14:25] <ZargosLord> i had used rate of 44100 instead of 48000
[14:25] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: your choice on that. my audio card sounds better at 48k
[14:26] <ZargosLord> i'll try both to see :)
[14:26] <OvenWerk1> ZargosLord: the internal HDA audio runs internally at 48k anyway.
[14:26] <ZargosLord> that actual comp is a laptop ASUS n75sf and the otehr is a Dell Optiplex 755
[14:27] <ZargosLord> i was not skilled with zita-j2a, i just start all of this :)
[14:27] <ZargosLord> i switch from ubuntu to ubuntu studio with full reinstall as sometime the Amplitube 4 Windows application for iRigUA is not completly giving all what i need
[14:28] <OvenWerk1> I am working on a utility to make this stuff easier, but it looks like I won't be done in time for 17.04
[14:28] <ZargosLord> i have noted the command to loo kat doc to understand what you made me done
[14:29] <ZargosLord> i didn t use much jack_control until today
[14:29] <OvenWerk1> everything I did with jack_control, qjackctl should be able to do as well. I used it here because it is easier than asking about each setting in qjackctl.
[14:30] <ZargosLord> yes indeed :)
[14:30] <OvenWerk1> it seems the big thing is trying to use a different input and output in you r setup.
[14:30] <ZargosLord> jeck_control is easier for me to understand what i'll set in qjackctl
[14:30] <ZargosLord> yes i 've understand that
[14:31] <ZargosLord> and in qjackctl what is difficult is to understand what appear in connxions as all appear as capture with number and playback same
[14:31] <ZargosLord> so sometime i hadn't see which one is who
[14:32] <ZargosLord> but your trick with zita help alot
[14:32] <OvenWerk1> If you normally run with the USB IF not plugged in, then you can set internal as the main device and use zita-a2j to connect the input of the USB IF when it is plugged in.
[14:32] <ZargosLord> on the Dell optiplex it is an external HP as there isn't any internal in the desktop
[14:32] <ZargosLord> but i see the difference
[14:33] <ZargosLord> as iRigUA is hw:0,1 and external HP is hw:0,0
[14:33] <ZargosLord> maybe i shouldn't use names as hw:UA and hw:Intel
[14:34] <OvenWerk1> Names are normally better... it depends in everything is plugged in at boot then the order of audio may change from boot to boot
[14:35] <OvenWerk1> This used to be a thing with internal PCI cards
[14:35] <OvenWerk1> With USB the order that you plug things in matters of course.
[14:37] <ZargosLord> yes normal, i ve always used normally, as the external HP are jacked in the audio jack port, so i usually have only my iRig on USB and HP on jack
[14:41] <OvenWerk1> everyones setup is different. I still use PCI cards.
[14:41] <OvenWerk1> Even one with a gameport for MIDI
[14:42] <ZargosLord> :) i still have such devices at home :)
[14:44] <ZargosLord> i can use the post-start config in qjackctl to setup zita i thnk
[14:44] <ZargosLord> i have another to send pulseaudio too
[14:44] <ZargosLord> thus i can have at the same time firefox playing sound while i i play my guitar, for cover practice for example
[14:45] <OvenWerk1> if things get complex, it may be easier to create a script file and just call that.
[14:46] <OvenWerk1> Ya, I use http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/autojack at session start
[14:47] <ZargosLord> nice script :)
[14:47] <ZargosLord> i've not yet dig in all this stuff to do some like that
[14:48] <ZargosLord> but could be usefull to have correct interface name setup to use in qjackctl
[14:48] <ZargosLord> instead of capture1/2/3/4/5/6
[14:49] <OvenWerk1> The main interface will always have system capture/playback that is hard coded into jack
[14:49] <ZargosLord> oh glad to know, i didn t before
[14:49] <ZargosLord> at least if only these one it coudl be ok
[14:50] <ZargosLord> in qjackctl you can rename interface
[14:50] <OvenWerk1> mine has inputs 1-12 and outputs 1-10. in both cases I use 1-4 and 9-10 only because the unit is 6i/o
[14:50] <OvenWerk1> but it uses the same internal chip as the delta 1010 which is 10i/o
[14:52] <OvenWerk1> yes, qjackctl will allow to name i/o but the new names don't seem to show up in other jack related programs.
[14:52] <ZargosLord> no i've seen that already, bu as i make my conexions tyhrough only qjackctl when i use it it is not a shame
[14:54] <ZargosLord> seem my UA card is particular with your script, but i'll be able to modify for desire needs :)
[14:54] <ZargosLord> some times i didn't do any shell script, but it is like bike, when learnt it once you can always do it again
[14:54] <ZargosLord> (sorry french translated to english for that last one ;) )
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> If your USB card is plugged when this is run it will still show up... somewhere.
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> That is basically a trial to see how solid it is/runs. I have been using it for a year with no problems.
[14:56] <OvenWerk1> It looks for any card and hooks it up. But I am woking on a config utility that would only start what the user wants.
[14:57] <OvenWerk1> I have worked with so many people who get a USB mic and get mixbus for free with it and want output sound on theinternal audio... I want it automated :)
[14:58] <ZargosLord> :) would same some time, for you ;)
[14:59] <OvenWerk1> it would be a lot less frustrating for new people too.
[15:00] <ZargosLord> i've just see that you re working on Ardour, and some other stuff :)
[15:01] <OvenWerk1> control surfaces mostly and right now some documantation fixes.
[15:01] <OvenWerk1> I think some of the manual is still Ardour 3ish
[15:02] <ZargosLord> i've started a very little test with ardour, as it is a quite compete and hard to master sofware, but very interesting
[15:02] <ZargosLord> :)
[15:03] <ZargosLord> my Amplitube 4 can register 8 tracks, but the effets (stomp, Amp, Cab, rack and insert) are not registered wiht. Itis because that way you can still have what you've played while changing the effects configuration
[15:03] <ZargosLord> iRigUA is good stuff, when i'll have enough money i thing i'll buy the new one IRigUA2
[15:04] <ZargosLord> well, good at least for me, i m a casual self learning electric guitar player
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> Looks a lot like the mod duo
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> https://moddevices.com/
[15:07] <OvenWerk1> Anyway I need to go get kids ready for school (7.06 am here)
[15:07] <ZargosLord> yes, iRigUA+Amplitude does the same
[15:07] <ZargosLord> 4:00 pm here, my daughter will be back from school in 1 hour :)
[15:07] <ZargosLord> nice to meet you here, and thank you very much :)
[15:08] <ZargosLord> i'll keep reference of you :) can be interesting to have some discussion once in a while, and i can have some musician here in Tours/France that could be interested by your works
[16:14] <ZargosLord> back


[16:16] <flocculant> where's the best place to ask about odd recommends in a package?
[16:17] <flocculant> cyphermox: ^^ oddness abounds in liferea on wily - bug 1503352
[16:17] <ubot5`> bug 1503352 in liferea (Ubuntu) "kget listed as recommends for liferea" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503352
[16:18] <flocculant> never sure where it's best to ask these things ...


[00:40] <Cheri703> someone suggest a movie for me to watch
[00:42] <TheErk> Survival of the Dead
[00:42]  * Cheri703 is all zombied out
[00:43] <Unit193> Ironman 2?
[00:43] <Cheri703> that was pretty good, saw it in the dollar theater
[00:45] <Unit193> Godzilla?
[00:46] <Cheri703> the one with matthew broderick?
[00:46] <Unit193> Yes
[00:46] <Cheri703> :| meh
[00:47]  * Cheri703 is not trying to be rude, has just gone through several lists already and is bored
[00:48] <Unit193> It's fine! uhhh John Wayne?
[00:49] <Cheri703> hmm...I don't think I'm in the mood for a good guy movie...if that makes sense...the "here I come to save the day!" type of movie
[00:50] <Unit193> Have you seen the new "Red: Werewolf Hunter"?
[00:51] <Unit193> I have not
[00:51] <Cheri703> hmm...no
[00:54] <Unit193> 1:27 long...
[00:55]  * Cheri703 's preferred media acquisition site is giving an "overloaded, try again in a few minutes" message
[00:56] <canthus13> Pirate bay?
[00:57] <Cheri703> kickasstorrents.com maaaaaay be on the list
[00:57] <Cheri703> but of course not for illegal things, only for acquiring legal things...
[00:57] <Cheri703> >.>
[00:58] <Cheri703> <.<
[00:58] <canthus13> Of course. :P
[00:58] <canthus13> speaking of media acquisition... I really need to learn how to use rsync to sync my laptop to my media server.
[00:59] <Cheri703> it's kind of funny, I just noticed tonight that it has a "latest searches" thing down the side...there are some...unique searches that come up
[00:59] <Cheri703> hmm...I vaguely recall hearing about rsync...
[00:59] <canthus13> It syncs 2 folders on different machines.
[00:59] <Cheri703> ah, nice
[00:59] <Cheri703> so...like ubuntu one, but working, eh?
[01:00] <canthus13> Sort of.  It'll look at my music folder on my laptop, and copy anything different to my media server.
[01:01] <canthus13> Basically, it'll take the folder on the media server and make it match the one on my laptop.
[01:01] <canthus13> At least, that's what I wanna use it to do. I just need to actually learn how to do it. :)
[01:02] <Cheri703> that'd be handy
[01:02] <Cheri703> I just keep everything on the desktop/media server/various other functions and pull as needed
[01:02] <Cheri703> there's a CRAPLOAD of media on it...
[01:03] <canthus13> Everyone in the house has access to the music collection, but I take my laptop on trips, use it to broadcast music via FM transmitter to the car stereo.
[01:03] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[01:03] <Cheri703> do you have an android phone?
[01:03] <canthus13> nope
[01:04] <Cheri703> k, nvm
[01:05] <Cheri703> doesn't your battery die in the car? or do you have an inverter?
[01:06] <Cheri703> someone in ubuntu-beginners just recommended rsync as a good backup program
[01:14] <Unit193> Going to try Red?
[01:15] <Cheri703> yeah
[01:15] <Unit193> Tell me if it's good?
[01:15] <Cheri703> will do
[01:15] <Cheri703> :)
[01:18] <canthus13> Oh. yeah. I use an inverter.
[01:18]  * canthus13 has a 150 watt, 3 plug inverter for laptops and cell chargers.
[01:18] <Cheri703> oooo, nice
[01:19]  * Cheri703 is jealous
[01:19] <canthus13> it was about 30 bucks at Love's truck stop.
[01:19] <Cheri703> though I just got a 1 watt for my cell, it's doing a MUCH better job. I think the previous one was actually making it LOSE battery...it was horrible
[01:19] <Cheri703> I just got a new bluetooth headset that is WONDERFUL.  Lost it, tho. :(
[01:21] <Cheri703> :(
[01:21] <Cheri703> mine is a big honkin' trucker headset...it's awesome, has really good noise canceling and gets loud enough to hear over the road noise in my truck
[01:21] <canthus13> Nice...
[01:22] <Cheri703> I really like it, and I got it refurb on amazon for $41 with shipping
[01:22] <Cheri703> and I get like a week worth of battery out of it
[01:22] <Cheri703> AND you can use it while it's plugged in, which is awesome
[04:53]  * Cheri703 needs another movie to watch
[04:55] <canthus13> The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo.
[04:56] <Cheri703> I've vaguely heard of that
[04:56] <canthus13> It's in swedish, but if you can deal with subs, it's a great movie.
[04:56] <canthus13> All three movies in the trilogy are good, actually.
[04:56] <Cheri703> yeah, maybe not tonight, but I generally watch tv with captioning on when possible
[04:56] <Cheri703> force of habit, grew up with a brother with severe hearing loss
[04:57] <Cheri703> I'll watch it soon though :) just tonight foreign + subtitles not so great
[04:57] <canthus13> They're supposed to be remaking them in English.. Dunno if I'll like it after seeing the originals, tho.
[04:57] <Cheri703> yeah, I hate that
[04:57] <canthus13> They're already the movie versions of a book trilogy...
[04:58] <canthus13> If you like anime, Ghost In the Shell is good.
[04:59] <canthus13> Goonies... A Clockwork Orange.... Pump Up the Volume....
[05:00] <canthus13> Blood and Chocolate... Boondock Saints....
[05:01] <canthus13> Cast A Deadly Spell....
[05:03] <Cheri703> hmmm
[05:03] <canthus13> Cast a Deadly Spell may be a bit hard to find.
[05:04]  * canthus13 has only managed to find a very poor quality VHS rip of it. :(
[05:04] <Cheri703> :(
[05:04] <canthus13> It's still a fun movie, though... Sort of a Cthulu meets classic detective novel mashup.
[05:05] <Cheri703> hmm...sounds...odd
[05:05] <canthus13> It's funny.
[05:06] <canthus13> Blood and Chocolate is great for a low budget film...
[05:07] <Cheri703> I'll check them out :) in a minute, going to make some cinnamon swirl toast to munch on
[19:09] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[19:09] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone
[19:10] <dmcglone> anybody here use dual monitors?
[19:10] <Unit193> anybody here?
[19:11] <dmcglone> I got me an extra flat screen monitor and was wondering if I plugged it up what kind of benefit it would serve me
[19:11] <Cheri703> on occasion
[19:11] <dmcglone> also, I went to the buckeyes game yesterday. It was awesome
[19:12] <Cheri703> also, if it is in need of a new home, I'd be happy to adopt it ;)
[19:12] <dmcglone> LOL Cheri703
[19:13] <dmcglone> I'm thinking about hooking it up and use one screen for development and one for desktop stuff
[19:13] <Cheri703> that works
[19:16] <dmcglone> I'm uploading the pre game show to my facebook
[19:22] <_bbb> mount it vertically and read comics
[19:26] <dmcglone> all that just to read comics?
[19:26] <dmcglone> lol
[19:28] <dmcglone> well the pre game show is too large for facebook
[19:28] <Cheri703> I'm looking into a swivel wall mount, so I can put mine vertical when needed
[19:29] <_bbb> interesting
[19:31] <Cheri703> amazon has some for reasonable prices
[19:31] <dmcglone> I'm kinda bummed shotwell doesn't do videos
[19:31] <dmcglone> neither does F-Spot
[19:32] <Cheri703> also, dmcglone (or anyone else using 2 monitors) check out this thread: http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052784
[19:32] <dmcglone> I have to manually remove the  SD card and put it in my computer to get the videos. defeats the purpose of having a cradle for the camera
[19:32] <Cheri703> there's a script called chprimon
[19:32] <Cheri703> it changes primary monitor (moves taskbars and such over)
[19:32] <Cheri703> very handy and quick
[19:35] <dmcglone> when having dual monitors do you have to have 1 graphics card?
[19:35] <dmcglone> I have 2 separate graphics cards
[19:35] <dmcglone> one if for DMI and one is only VGA
[19:36] <Cheri703> uhm, I dunno, I only do it from my netbook
[19:36] <Cheri703> not true
[19:36] <Cheri703> I have a video card in my desktop with multiple outputs and I can put 2 monitors on that
[19:36]  * Cheri703 forgot
[19:36] <dmcglone> I see. mine are seperate
[19:36] <Cheri703> I think just play with it til you get it to work...
[19:37] <Cheri703> that's generally my method
[22:30] <dmcglone> paultag: you here?
[22:30] <dmcglone> got a question for ya
[22:34] <dmcglone> what is everyone using for their digital photo import program?
[22:34] <dmcglone> I like shotwell but it will not import videos yet, neither does f-spot
[22:52] <paultag> dmcglone, sir yessir
[22:52] <paultag> dmcglone, what can I do for you?
[22:59] <dmcglone> Was wondering if it was possible to have 2 versions of a config file. say for instance, shotwell and digikam use libgphoto2, but shotwell will not import movies, but digikam will, so I switched to digikam and for some odd reason I had to make a hacked version of libgphoto2 for digikam to reconize my camera. Unfortunately this hack renders shotwell and f-spot useless.
[23:01] <dmcglone> shotwell is supposed to get support for movies in December
[23:03] <paultag> hummmm
[23:03] <dmcglone> I'm asking you, because you seem to be a Ubuntu god ;-)
[23:03] <paultag> dmcglone, yes, you can, but it can get nasty. What did you have to do to make the new libgphoto?
[23:04] <paultag> dmcglone, did you recompile and install it?
[23:04] <dmcglone> I had to rewrite the USB rule
[23:04] <paultag> dmcglone, the HAL stuff?
[23:05] <dmcglone> it was basically a 1 liner, but I'm afraid I'll forget how I did it in the future and get stuck between a rock and a hard place
[23:05] <dmcglone> let me show ya
[23:05] <paultag> roger doger
[23:05] <paultag> dmcglone, either you can hack up some new files and hotswap it, or if you had to re-compile the libgphoto, you can use an ldpreload hack
[23:06] <paultag> dmcglone, and then swap out the binary with a shell script that hits the binary with an LDPRELOAD on the .real
[23:06] <paultag> I did that once for Firefox because it would call sync() over and fucking over
[23:06] <dmcglone> I changed this line: SUBSYSTEM!="usb", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end" to this:
[23:06] <dmcglone> SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device*", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:06] <paultag> dmcglone, in what file, if I might ask
[23:07] <dmcglone> and I added this: SYSFS{idVendor}=="040a", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0581", MODE="0660", GROUP="plugdev"
[23:07] <paultag> that looks like a rules
[23:07] <paultag> in /etc/rules.d or something?
[23:07] <paultag> in udev *
[23:07] <dmcglone> 40-libgphoto2-2.rules
[23:07] <paultag> /etc/udev/rules.d
[23:07] <paultag> ahha
[23:07] <dmcglone> yes
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, can you paste /etc/udev/rules.d/40-libgphoto2-2.rules   for me?
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, just the whole file so I'm not screwing you up here :)
[23:08] <dmcglone> paste bin? or here? it's pretty big file
[23:08] <paultag> dmcglone, pastebin, never paste more then 2 lines on IRC ( good instinct :) )
[23:09] <dmcglone> ok hang tight
[23:09] <paultag> roger doger
[23:11] <dmcglone> check this out: http://pastebin.com/NqQBtBwR
[23:11] <paultag> hummmmm
[23:13] <dmcglone> I was thinking that maybe I could force digikam or shotwell to use a different file, but I may have to alter the source of the programs instead
[23:13] <paultag> dmcglone, and what *exactly* do you want it to do? Sorry to be overly verbose, but I'd hate to screw up something that still works because I'm not clear :)
[23:13] <paultag> dmcglone, You've not had to edit source so far :)
[23:14] <paultag> those are conf files, and those are awesome to tweet
[23:14] <paultag> tweek *
[23:14] <paultag> damn my muscle memory!
[23:14] <dmcglone> I've only changed the gphoto2-2.rules file
[23:14] <paultag> dmcglone, yessir
[23:15] <dmcglone> I was hoping I could keep an original and make shotwell use that one and then make digikam use a different one with my hacks. I'm wondering if it would be possible
[23:15] <paultag> dmcglone, for the same usb id?
[23:16] <paultag> dmcglone, I just don't totally get what you're trying to do just yet, I'm a bit slow today, sorry! :)
[23:16] <dmcglone> it'll probably have to be
[23:17] <dmcglone> I don't think it's you, I think I'm not explaining clearly
[23:17] <dmcglone> let me try this
[23:17] <paultag> dmcglone, it's OK, let's just get it solved :)
[23:18] <dmcglone> Ok with my hacks in place, shotwell will not detect my camera
[23:18] <dmcglone> but digikam will
[23:18] <paultag> Ahh, ahha!
[23:19] <dmcglone> I was wondering if I could force one or the other to use a seperate udev file
[23:19] <paultag> Ahha :)
[23:19] <dmcglone> that way, shotwell will read 1 and digikam will read the other and both will work correctly
[23:20] <paultag> dmcglone, OK, well here's what's going to be tough with that. When you plug something in, udev ( a daemon ) will read it's rules files and check to see if that USB device is "claimed" by anything. Most of the time a rules file will tell udev what module to use for the USB device. In the old rules file, the device was using a different module then it's using now
[23:20] <paultag> dmcglone, the issue here is that because it's HAL using a module, it's not per-application
[23:20] <dmcglone> Ah I see
[23:21] <dmcglone> makes a lot of sense
[23:21] <paultag> dmcglone, what you can do is file a bug report about it to make sure the application will look up ( and implement ) the module you're using now :)
[23:22] <dmcglone> ok hang on got a question
[23:22] <paultag> yessir
[23:23] <dmcglone> this isn't the module is it? SUBSYSTEM!="usb_device*", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:23] <paultag> dmcglone, no, if you look at the bottom of that file, there's a line that labels the bottom as "libgphoto2_rules_end"
[23:23] <paultag> dmcglone, so when it sees a usb_device*, it skips loading fancy modules
[23:23] <dmcglone> right
[23:24] <paultag> dmcglone, so it will treat it as a mass-storage device
[23:24] <paultag> if I understand what's going on, that is
[23:24] <dmcglone> thats sounds like how it's behaving, so you've got to be spot on with that
[23:24] <paultag> good :)
[23:26] <dmcglone> Ok so, why would shotwell and digikam behave this way, I mean if f-spot and shotwell work correctly with the original, why doesn't digikam?
[23:26] <dmcglone> weird behavior isn't it?
[23:27] <paultag> it sure is
[23:28] <paultag> dmcglone, but if libgphoto acts as a buffer between it ( providing a facade over the MS-Mode ), then you might see this ( if digikam uses libgphoto and not fallback implementations )
[23:28] <dmcglone> What baffles me is since HAL is using a module, every app should work with these udev rules
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, for instance if you do a libgphoto call for device 0's photos, it will do that regardless of the underlying device, whereas something else would search for it
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, it depends on implementation
[23:29] <paultag> dmcglone, regardless this is a shittyism, and should be reported :)
[23:29] <dmcglone> Ok
[23:30] <paultag> dmcglone, you're not doing anything wrong, this is the software author's fault
[23:30] <paultag> dmcglone, in fact, there's little you can do to fix it, if it's as inflexible as it looks
[23:31] <dmcglone> I'm going to file a bug report after I eat dinner. I guess since shotwell can't import my video files, I'll just stick with my hacked version of libgphoto until shotwell supports it in dec.
[23:31] <paultag> dmcglone, awesome.  Dinner time :-/
[23:38] <paultag> kk :)
[23:49] <dmcglone> OK I'm back, gonna go file that bug now
[23:56] <dmcglone> hey paul should I report the bug as a libgphoto2 bug?
[23:56] <dmcglone> or a udev bug?


[14:53] <AStachowski> Hello guys. Could anyone point me in the right direction when it comes to build a recent Lucid kernel for my ppa? I tried it with debuild -S, -S -sd and -S -sa. But none of these seem to work. Is there a special script I need to prepare it?
[14:56] <tgardner> AStachowski, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance ?
[14:58] <AStachowski> I think I've forgotten that part if it is necessary: dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot -I.git -I.gitignore -i'\.git.*' -sa
[14:59] <AStachowski> Though I thought it was only necessary for git pulled releases.
[15:02] <AStachowski> I think I already read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance and thought it would only apply to GIT. Guess I'll try it this evening. ;)
[15:03] <JFo> AStachowski, how did you get your source?
[15:03] <JFo> did you not use git to pull it?
[15:04] <AStachowski> nope
[15:04] <AStachowski> I got it by apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[15:05] <AStachowski> if git pull is the way to go I don't mind, too.
[15:05] <JFo> ah, I see
[15:06] <JFo> AStachowski, whatever works for you
[15:06] <JFo> but I think I see a need for another set of instructions for folks wanting to pull from there
[15:06]  * JFo adds a note to his 'wiki improvements' doc
[15:07] <AStachowski> ;D
[15:07]  * peterz fixed /sbin/installkernel and uses make install form the kernel tree ;-)
[15:08] <peterz> all this package nonsense is just that ;-)
[15:08] <JFo> :-)
[15:08] <AStachowski> I thought I'd finally give something back to the community by building a subflavor of linux-image-generic for SCST -> SRP Target for the Infiniband folks.
[15:09] <JFo> AStachowski, a noble gesture ;)
[15:09] <persia> Are drivers for that not generally available, or just not built-ins?
[15:09] <AStachowski> Infiniband sadly is a bit more complicated than that.
[15:10] <amitk> peterz: don't we all wish that all users could compile their own kernels :)
[15:10] <AStachowski> there is a standard target daemon in alls linux distros but it genuinely sucks when it comes to larger setups.
[15:10] <JFo> amitk, I don't :-D
[15:11]  * JFo looks at the bug volume as it is
[15:11] <AStachowski> too many cooks spoil...you know the deal ;)
[15:11] <JFo> yep
[15:11] <JFo> great minds AStachowski
[15:35] <MTecknology> I thoguht apparmor was in the mainline kernel now
[15:36] <abogani> peterz: What is the fix for /sbin/installkernel?
[15:37] <peterz> abogani: add to the tail: mkinitramfs -o /tmp/initrd.img ${ver}; updatever initrd.img /tmp/initrd.img; update-grub
[15:38] <peterz> sometimes I need to hack update-grub too, depending on the crazy ass ideas it gets
[15:39] <achiang> peterz: nice. i figured out that i could issue a 'make deb-pkg' from kernel directory, install the deb, and then issue a mkinitramfs, but your way seems much nicer
[15:42] <peterz> achiang: make sure to do 'make INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install' if you use modules
[15:42] <peterz> because for some reason mkinitramfs doesn't strip the modules
[15:42] <peterz> and you end up with a 100M+ initrd
[15:43] <peterz> of course the sane thing to do is not use modules :-)
[15:43] <MTecknology> peterz: That REALLY hard to do sometimes though
[15:44] <peterz> MTecknology: nah, just don't do silly things like use lvm/crypto/raid root paritions
[15:44]  * MTecknology grumbles at one particular module
[15:45] <MTecknology> peterz: I need moduel support for vbox but having module support forces another config to be module instead of built-in
[15:45] <achiang> peterz: eh?
[15:45] <achiang> achiang@aspen:/boot$ ls -l initrd*34-rc5* | awk '{print $5}'
[15:45] <achiang> 3381926
[15:46] <MTecknology> 34 hates my computer it seems
[15:46] <achiang> peterz: hm, maybe part of the make deb-pkg magic strips the modules for me, since i don't issue make modules_install directly
[15:46] <peterz> MTecknology: ah, out of tree stuff, I don't acknowledge the existance of such
[15:47] <peterz> achiang: yeah, I figure it would, also you of course need to start out with CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y
[15:48] <achiang> peterz: heh. achiang@aspen:~/kernels/linux-2.6$ grep DEBUG_INFO .config
[15:48] <achiang> # CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO is not set
[15:49] <MTecknology> peterz: that would be awesome if they could have their modules in there
[15:49] <peterz> MTecknology: not a chance, the code is alike waaaay ugleh
[15:50] <MTecknology> probably
[15:55] <cnd> peterz: sorry about the kernel-team list bounces
[15:56] <cnd> I think we've got that taken care of, so it shouldn't happen in the future
[15:56] <peterz> cnd: awesome
[15:56] <cnd> peterz: btw, any more thoughts on the ILB load avg implementation?
[15:57] <peterz> cnd: right, so the reason I wante dto share infrastructure with the ILB is because people were looking at making the ILB scale better and its all about NOHZ muck, so it seemed like a nice fit
[15:57] <cnd> ahh, ok
[15:57] <peterz> cnd: just need to get a spare cycle to sort through all the details, hopefully somewhere later this week
[15:58] <cnd> peterz: ok, thanks
[21:19] <osmosis> running fresh lucid daily build, I get random lockups. Can't drop to a terminal or anything.
[22:01] <osmosis> Im getting an hard freeze on two different laptops. one with 64, other x86. Both running fresh installs of lucid daily builds.
[22:05] <bjf> osmosis, please file a _new_ bug against the issue
[22:06] <osmosis> bjf, im not sure how to gather any info about the cause of the lockups.
[22:07] <bjf> osmosis, will it stay up long enought to run ubuntu-bug on it?
[22:07] <osmosis> bjf, cursor stops moving and spinning.  CTRL-ALT-F1 for a terminal doesnt work either.
[22:07] <bjf> osmosis, had you been running a previous daily build?
[22:09] <osmosis> bjf, i had beta2 installed briefly, but did a full format clean install of lucid daily build yesterday.
[22:09] <osmosis> bjf, i thought maybe the crash was hardware specific...but I installed on two separate laptops and they both are getting the same issue. And they are very different hardware.
[22:11] <bjf> osmosis, what graphics do the two systems have?
[22:12] <bjf> osmosis, was beta2 running ok?
[22:15] <osmosis> bjf, both are ati ...thought different models.
[22:17] <osmosis> bjf, ATI Radeon Express 200  and   ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670
[22:17] <bjf> osmosis, have you tried booting without "quiet" or "splash" on the kernel boot line?
[22:18] <osmosis> bjf, machines come up and are usable. The crash is a randomly triggered lockup...occurring on average every hour or two.
[22:19] <bjf> osmosis, then they are up long enough to run ubuntu-bug on and capture the hardware information
[22:19] <bjf> osmosis, ubuntu-bug will capture everything you need
[22:20] <osmosis> bjf, ok
[22:22] <bjf> osmosis, do two separate bugs, one for each system and then let me know the bug numbers
[22:22] <bjf> osmosis, thanks
[22:30] <cnd> osmosis: you might want to try booting with "pci=nomsi" on the kernel command line
[22:30] <cnd> that has fixed some ATI instabilities, and we can add quirks in the kernel for your motherboard if it helps
[22:31] <anoteng> Where can I find a detailed list of changes between ubuntu kernels? I'm trying to locate the source of a bug..
[22:50] <osmosis> bjf, here is one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/568103
[22:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 568103 in xorg "Xorg freeze lucid daily build ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670" [Undecided,New]
[22:53] <bjf> osmosis, did you see the comment from cnd about booting with "pci=nomsi" ?
[22:54] <osmosis> bjf, yah
[22:54] <bjf> osmosis, that would be good to try
[22:54] <osmosis> bjf, cnd: im gonna see if i can get the crash to occur a couple more times first.
[23:00] <osmosis> bjf, here is the second, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/568111
[23:00] <ubot3> Malone bug 568111 in xorg "Xorg freeze dell vostro 1000 lucid daily build ATI Radeon Xpress 200" [Undecided,New]
[23:00] <bjf> osmosis, thanks for those
[23:01] <osmosis> bjf, was previously on karmic with no such issue.
[23:01] <osmosis> on both laptops
[23:01] <bjf> osmosis, lots of changes to graphics drivers this round