[00:05] <rconan> anyone know why System->Preferences->Sound would fail to start?
[00:09] <o0Chris0o> hmw: Its listed in the right time zon, I think they just go by accuvu weather, instead of weather bug
[00:18] <Cycom> can anyone confirm bug 343067 for me?
[00:20] <Cycom> I'm a bit worried, since the person who assigned it basically said "works fine here" and doesn't seem to be subscribed to the bug...
[00:24] <rww> Heh. Using 2.6.29 from the kernel ppa decreases my boot time from 21 seconds to 13.
[00:25] <rww> Is that because Jaunty's kernel has a bunch of extra stuff in it, or is .29 an improvement over Jaunty's .28?
[00:27] <berniv6> rww: well, 2.6.29 got the first stage of parallel hardware initialization
[00:28] <berniv6> "fastboot" project
[00:28] <dan457> Interesting, i'll have to look that up.
[00:29] <rww> berniv6: The bootcharts seem to be showing longer times in wpa_supplicant (I have auto wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces) and hald on 2.6.28, so that'd make a lot of sense.
[00:29] <LordKow> 2.6.29 likely doesnt have apparmor either... but i dont think apparmor would add 7 seconds to boot-time
[00:30] <rww> (since wifi startup and hal both involve hardware stuff, i guess)
[00:38] <rconan> annyone help me get sound going?
[00:38] <rconan> i have both sound cards appear in lspci, both modules loaded but neither work
[02:05] <bruce89> UNR?
[02:06] <michaels> I have a question about unr too...
[02:06] <michaels> if to upgrade my preinstalled UNR dell mini 12 I install a daily jaunty UNR image, am I heading for a world of pain and driver trouble?
[02:07]  * bruce89 doesn't even know what UNR is
[02:07] <michaels> ubuntu netbook remix
[02:07] <michaels> a canonical-remixed version of ubuntu designed for netbooks
[02:10] <michaels> so... anyone here familiar with UNR jaunty?
[02:10] <bruce89> 'fraid not, but hardware support should only be better than that of Intrepid
[02:12] <michaels> I'm just worried because the OEM version might be bundled with proprietary stuff
[02:12] <michaels> ah well, I probably won't be happy with such a limited system for long anyway, I'll give it a shot
[02:13] <nemo> lots of neat new stuff in this new kernel release that hit digg
[02:14] <nemo> 2.6.29
[02:14] <nemo> I wonder what Jaunty final will be
[02:15] <crdlb> you mean what kernel version? 2.6.28
[02:34] <hggdh> too late to change to .29
[02:35] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:43] <DanaG> michaels: take a look in synaptic to see what comes from a section with "dell" in the name.
[02:44] <DanaG> You might end up wanting to copy the existing sources.list to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dellmini.list  -- or something like that.
[02:45] <michaels> DanaG, thanks
[02:45] <DanaG> For example, the hardy-hpmini repo happens to have some HP-specific stuff; if you keep both lists around, you'll get jaunty stuff where it's newer, and keep the Dell stuff.
[02:48] <michaels> no sections with "dell" in synaptics, but if it's just a matter of repos that shouldn't be a problem
[02:48] <michaels> how does the sources.list.d dir work? any .list files in there get read for repos as well?
[02:50] <maxb> that's the general pattern with .d directories
[02:50] <DanaG> Is it a specific dell-mini install, or just general UNR?
[02:50] <michaels> specific, oem
[02:51] <michaels> but I'm installing a general jaunty over it
[02:51] <michaels> the repos are all dell repos
[02:51] <daskreech> I give up
[02:51] <daskreech> how do you logout of Gnome?
[02:51] <michaels> and most repos I try to add don't work
[02:52] <bruce89> daskreech: fusa
[02:53] <daskreech> I have fuser :)
[02:53] <daskreech> Fusa doesn't seem to be in the repos
[02:54] <bruce89> fast-user-switch-applet
[02:54] <daskreech> bruce89: Is there a dbus call to initate logout of Gnome?
[02:55] <daskreech> Oh I have no mouse
[02:55] <bruce89> ah
[02:55]  * bruce89 can't remember how you get the focus of panel applets
[02:55] <daskreech> Something is messed up with X so I have 1/4 of my screen hanging off the left of the monitor and the Mouse doesn't work
[02:55] <daskreech> And alt+Ctrl+backspace is gone
[02:55] <daskreech> sooooo
[02:56] <daskreech> I figured there must be some way to logout
[02:56] <bruce89> I think alt+sysreq+k works
[02:56] <bruce89> clearly
[02:56] <michaels> lol
[02:57] <daskreech> Thanks I'll have to remember that
[02:58] <Halow> If you install the "dontzap" package and use it with --disable flag, you can use ctrl+alt+bcksp again.
[02:58] <daskreech> Yeah I knew that
[02:58] <billisnice> I think they should go ahead and use the Linux kernel 2.6.29...Two things Canonical should implement immediately if stable--more drivers and speed improvements unless it is LTS...
[02:58] <daskreech> but I figured there must be some otehr emergency procedure
[02:59] <daskreech> and I'm just veryused to being able to logout via the keyboard
[02:59] <daskreech> It's so much faster
[03:00] <daskreech> bruce89: If you remmeber how to access the fusa menu by keyboard let me know
[03:00] <daskreech> remember
[03:00] <DanaG> wow, double-negative.
[03:00] <DanaG> dontzap --disable....
[03:00] <DanaG> yeah, confusing.
[03:00] <Halow> Very. LOL
[03:03] <daskreech> !zap
[03:03] <daskreech> Liar
[03:03] <michaels> !nothing
[03:03] <michaels> :(
[03:03] <michaels> !anything
[03:03] <DanaG> !nuttin'
[03:03] <michaels> :)
[03:04] <michaels> XD
[03:04] <michaels> !nuffin'
[03:04] <DanaG> !apt
[03:04] <DanaG> !yum
[03:04] <DanaG> !botsnack
[03:04]  * DanaG is done.
[03:04]  * michaels is amused
[03:05] <daskreech> !test
[03:06] <daskreech> !ping
[03:06] <daskreech> ok
[03:06] <daskreech> how do I apt-install something already installed?
[03:06] <DanaG> oh yeah, watch out: in #ubuntu channels, ctcp == ban.
[03:06] <daskreech> I want to  --download-only a set of packages I already have installed
[03:07] <daskreech> --force-yes isn't working :(
[03:07] <DanaG> hmm, might need to pass --reinstall
[03:07] <daskreech> doh
[03:07] <daskreech> of course
[03:10] <DanaG> I usuaLLY use just plain 'aptitude reinstall'
[03:10] <DanaG> with a sudo, of course.
[03:36] <quentusrex> Anyone know how to uninstall an apt package upgrade?
[03:46] <daskreech> quentusrex: Huh?
[03:46] <quentusrex> nvm
[04:00] <X-Seti> I have no sound after upgrading, given i have mixed error messages from what ever i do to fix this, im not sure what to do next.. menu drop speaker icon being up a massive error, that doesnt make sense
[04:00] <PhotoJim> did you try reconfiguring alsa?
[04:01] <PhotoJim> just a hunch.  that's the first thing I would try.
[04:01] <X-Seti> yep, pref > sound this just crashes
[04:02] <PhotoJim> a reconfigure of alsa didn't help?
[04:02] <X-Seti> nop
[04:03] <X-Seti> long error message so ill screen grab
[04:03] <PhotoJim> hmm.  not sure.  hopefully someone else here will have some advice.
[04:04] <crdlb> I just found sound broken here after the latest update. I had to reboot to fix it
[04:04]  * DanaG sometimes has to open pavucontrol and mute and unmute the card to get sound.
[04:05] <X-Seti> wish it was that easy
[04:05] <PhotoJim> the only machine I'm running Jaunty on is my Acer Aspire One... other than some fussing to get the WiFi working it's been fine.
[04:05] <RAOF> DanaG: If you want to build nouveau mesa, you'll need to pass a bunch of ./configure arguments.
[04:06]  * RAOF has just done this, so knows what they are.
[04:06] <X-Seti> http://i43.tinypic.com/29yrwis.png
[04:06] <X-Seti> pic says all
[04:06] <DanaG> I passed --enable-nouveau-gallium (or whatever it was), and got some missing rule in some Makefile, or such.
[04:07] <X-Seti> i upgraded to try and fix a problem i noticed on ibex, with printers, thats fixed, but no sound?
[04:07] <RAOF> Yeah.  You need to also pass --with-state-trackers=glx,dri2 (at least)
[04:07] <RAOF> My line is: ./configure --disable-gallium-intel --enable-gallium-nouveau --with-dri-drivers= --with-state-trackers=glx,g3dvl,dri2
[04:08] <RAOF> For added XvMC.
[04:08] <X-Seti> ok, so im recompiling asla again?
[04:08] <RAOF> X-Seti: "I upgraded to try and fix a problem and..."   THen you'll want to have radeon in the --with-dri-drivers.
[04:09] <crdlb> poor RAOF
[04:09] <DanaG> wait, why do you have nothing in with-dri-drivers?
[04:09]  * bluefoxicy needs more swear words, he cannot satisfactorily express how very much is wrong with this right now
[04:09] <RAOF> DanaG: Because I don't want to spend the time building them.  Nouveau doesn't have a (standard) dri driver, just the gallium.
[04:09] <X-Seti> i could try and force everything back to hardy, change everything in sources.list to hardly and update
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> Qu'vatlh ghuy'cha jay'!
[04:10] <RAOF> X-Seti: That won't work.  The packages you have installed now have a higher version.
[04:10] <RAOF> bluefoxicy: You saw "gnome-session-save", yes?
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> RAOF:  yes, but that is not in the menu
[04:10] <RAOF> bluefoxicy: Also, logout is found in the fast-user-switch-applet.
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> am I expected to type that at a terminal TO LOG OFF?
[04:10] <crdlb> click on your name
[04:10]  * bluefoxicy looks for fast user... oh, his name is in the top right
[04:10] <DanaG> It really should be in BOTH places.
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> wow that's cool
[04:10]  * crdlb has having trouble getting used to it ...
[04:10] <X-Seti> since im on JJ I might aswell make the most of it
[04:11] <DanaG> I want FUSA to have guest session....
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> but who the hell decided to pull that OUT OF THE MENU?
[04:11] <DanaG> ... but I want the danged logout in the danged SYSTEM MENU!
[04:11]  * bluefoxicy logs out and logs back in
[04:11] <DanaG> It seems I can't have both without RECOMPILING.
[04:11] <crdlb> too much caps
[04:11] <DanaG> Too much regression!
[04:11] <crdlb> that's better
[04:11] <DanaG> =þ
[04:11] <RAOF> crdlb: You've got an ATI card... have you tried the new gallium driver?
[04:12] <X-Seti> RAOF, skipping back to the ./configure etc, what folder am i meant to be in for that to work
[04:12]  * DanaG has an R600 on one system and an NV G73 on the other.
[04:13] <RAOF> X-Seti: Oh, that configure line wasn't for you.    And a couple of Savages, too.
[04:13] <crdlb> RAOF: it's an RV200 :/
[04:13] <X-Seti> k
[04:13] <RAOF> crdlb: Oooh.  Too old by one generation!
[04:13] <crdlb> RAOF: two
[04:13] <RAOF> r300 is the gallium driver, though.  Isn't rv200 the previous generation to that?
[04:13] <crdlb> it's an r100, yay ATI
[04:14] <X-Seti> well i do not want to wipe and start again, there is way to much on here, to undo like that
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> okay next pokay next point of confusion
[04:15] <X-Seti> ill search the forums again
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> I have Hardy on my laptop
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> I want to update to Jaunty
[04:15] <RAOF> X-Seti: I don't really know about your audio problem.  I'd suggest checking that pulseaudio is running, that you've got ubuntu-desktop installed, and that you've got gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio installed.
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> update-manager -d wants to update to 8.10
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> how do I force?
[04:15] <crdlb> bluefoxicy: you can't skip
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> crdlb:  to beta, or to any?
[04:15] <tomsdale> anyone noticed on kubuntu jaunty that you can't move files into the trash in the desktop folder plasmoid?
[04:15] <bruce89> bluefoxicy: you aren't on 8.04?
[04:15] <RAOF> crdlb, bluefoxicy: You can only skip to LTS releases.  You'll need to go Hardy -> Intrepid -> Jaunty.
[04:15] <X-Seti> RAOF, im wondering weather there could be some old config files knocking around
[04:15] <crdlb> bluefoxicy: any, except LTS->LTS
[04:16] <DanaG> heh, I remember seeing a friend's desktop with WinME and a "Radeon VE" -- I assume that's 7500, or is that 7000?
[04:16] <crdlb> 700, I think
[04:16] <crdlb> 7000
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> nods.
[04:16] <DanaG> I told him that, yo, you should update the drivers, at the very least.  =þ
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> annoying but understandable.
[04:16] <RAOF> X-Seti: Possibly ~/.asoundconf
[04:16]  * bluefoxicy decides to force it.
[04:16] <DanaG> Just the fact that it was called a VE implies that the drivers were really, really old.  =þ
[04:16] <tomsdale> crdlb: so can I upgrade directly from hardy to 10.04
[04:17] <X-Seti> well i have to fix this before my wife gets on, or its back to windows.
[04:17] <X-Seti> brb
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> apt-get -d is download-only right?
[04:17] <X-Seti> Going to mass uninstall stuff.
[04:18] <crdlb> tomsdale: if that is LTS as expected, yes
[04:18] <X-Seti> I cant wreck this anymore, then it is :D
[04:18]  * bluefoxicy decides to file a bug against the boot screen.
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> it needs to show more information during boot-up
[04:18] <crdlb> there isn't actually a requirement that they happen every 2 years
[04:18] <DanaG> RAOF: what is with-state-trackers?
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> just enough to convince the user the system's doing "something"
[04:18] <daskreech> X-Seti: Ha ha ha ha so much to learn :)
[04:18] <daskreech> crdlb: Yes there is
[04:18] <tomsdale> that's great - I didn't know that. Important to tell to clients.
[04:19] <X-Seti> im going to try and force this back to ibex
[04:19] <crdlb> RAOF: I did try gnome-shell though :)
[04:19] <DanaG> google for apt pinning / apt preferences.
[04:19] <DanaG> It's a royal pain to do... but it's possible.  Just severe risk of breakage if you don't know what you're doing.
[04:19] <RAOF> DanaG: So... gallium has 3 systems.  (1) The winsys, which does the integration into the actual windowing system (ie: glx, wgl, egl, etc).
[04:19] <X-Seti> daskreech, learning isnt a problem, its fixing weird errors, you cant find anything about on ubuntu forums.
[04:19] <X-Seti> this is a first for me
[04:19] <RAOF> DanaG: (2) The hardware-specific drivers, whose name escapes me.
[04:19] <DanaG> make[5]: Entering directory `/home/dana/downloads/nouveau/mesa/src/mesa/drivers/dri/intel'
[04:19] <DanaG> make[5]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[04:20] <daskreech> Maybe step outside the boundaries of the forums then?
[04:20] <daskreech> noooo
[04:20] <daskreech> Damn 4.3 Envy
[04:20] <X-Seti> daskreech, im at a loss
[04:20] <crdlb> daskreech: I guess I missed that memo
[04:20] <RAOF> DanaG: (3) The state trackers, which implement the actual APIs.  So there's an opengl statetracker, a XvMC statetracker, a D3D state tracker, etc.
[04:20] <daskreech> crdlb: Probably
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> has anyone else noticed desktop effects breaks the workspace switcher applet wholesale?
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> it'll only show 1 row of desktops
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> if you do 4x4 rows, it becomes 0 columns wide
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> i.e. you can't navigate it by mouse, just keyboard combos.
[04:21] <crdlb> works fine here
[04:22] <RAOF> DanaG: What's your configure line?
[04:22] <DanaG> ah, I see.. just "intel" isn't enough.
[04:22] <crdlb> there are some visual glitches with multiple rows though
[04:22] <X-Seti> hardy, ibex had no hardware detechion issues.
[04:22] <DanaG> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --enable-gallium-nouveau --with-dri-drivers=i810,i915,i965,intel,r300,radeon,swrast --with-state-trackers=glx,g3dvl,dri2
[04:22] <DanaG> added the i### this round.. not sure of result yet.
[04:22] <daskreech> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=117848
[04:22] <DanaG> previous was without i###
[04:23] <daskreech> X-Seti: so what was the motivation to jump to Jaunty pre beta on an in-use machine ?
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> crdlb:  yeah
[04:23] <RAOF> DanaG: You're going to be installing this system-wide.  Brave man.
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> crdlb:  I have 4x4, but the applet itself displays just a piece of crap in my panel
[04:23] <X-Seti> wanted to try it out
[04:23] <DanaG> If it fails, I just purge and reinstall stuff.
[04:23] <DanaG> No sweat.
[04:23] <DanaG> And that nouveau is my secondary system.
[04:24] <crdlb> bluefoxicy: it works fine, except when you click, it sometimes shifts the rows for a moment
[04:24] <DanaG> s/my/a/
[04:24] <X-Seti> daskreech, also was having printer issues, cups not being installing currectly
[04:24] <DanaG> My primary system is the one with the RV635; no mesa to speak of.
[04:24] <crdlb> except in the moment that you're switching, it looks fine
[04:24] <X-Seti> printer works now,.
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> crdlb: for me it's just useless
[04:24] <daskreech> X-Seti:  :-D
[04:24] <crdlb> bluefoxicy: I'm still missing what's wrong
[04:25] <DanaG> nope, still doesn't like inte.
[04:25] <DanaG> intel.
[04:25] <X-Seti> daskreech, wifes ganna kill me, as she shes this for work and skype
[04:25] <DanaG> Basically, I want the nouveau thing to experiment, but I want all the other drivers to be stock.
[04:26] <X-Seti> daskreech, I use this comp for hosting sites aswell, so reinstalling isnt really an option
[04:26] <crdlb> :/
[04:26] <DanaG> random: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LSGnycsyeI4/SRYHKVbp8VI/AAAAAAAAAg0/Qn7MBd8B6Pw/s1600-h/plush_cat.jpg
[04:26] <crdlb> you're not supposed to use jaunty on production machines
[04:26] <DanaG> It IS possible to downgrade; I've done it.  It's just quite very extremely unsupported.
[04:26] <daskreech> X-Seti: That's pretty ballsy :)
[04:26] <daskreech> And likely to be flakey
[04:27] <DanaG> In fact, I've done that several times.  Each time it took a few hours mucking around in aptitude, after putting a preferences file in place.
[04:27] <bluefoxicy> why the hell does Pidgin's buddy list task tray button stay no matter what desktop I'm on?!
[04:27] <X-Seti> im uninstalling stuff, then ill change the sources.list to ipex
[04:27] <RAOF> DanaG: Why don't you just drop the intel DRI drivers completely?
[04:27] <X-Seti> see if i can get back to ibex..
[04:27] <daskreech> bluefoxicy: cause of the sysicon ?
[04:27] <DanaG> I may usb-boot on an Intel.
[04:29] <RAOF> Ah.
[04:29] <DanaG> Same as why I want r300 driver.
[04:29] <DanaG> I can usb-boot on a lab PC.
[04:29] <RAOF> DanaG: How about if you just drop the --with-dri-drivers bit entirely?  It defaults to all on.
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> crdlb: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2565/screenshot6.png
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> crdlb:  see the thing next to the trash icon?
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> that's 4x4 desktops.
[04:30] <crdlb> that looks rather proken
[04:30] <crdlb> broken*
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> I logged out and logged back in and it didn't fix it.
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> this is with any visual effects (basic or extra)
[04:30] <crdlb> does the preferences actually let you set the columns and rows?
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> yes
[04:31] <bluefoxicy> though if you change your visual effects settings here, it sets it to 16 columns and 1 row
[04:31] <X-Seti> upgrade, well it took
[04:32] <X-Seti> no errors
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> man
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> everything's always at 100% CPU usage and takes forever
[04:32] <X-Seti> looks like back to ibex
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> top says trackerd is working its ass off
[04:34] <X-Seti> weird, ubuntu version unknown
[04:37] <bruce89> sudo aptitude remove tracker
[04:40] <X-Seti> just read the topic :D
[04:40] <X-Seti> back to ibex :D
[04:42] <crdlb> X-Seti: you didn't realize it wasn't supported?
[04:42] <X-Seti> i wasnt to sure, know it was a dev release someone might have known something towards hardware issues
[04:47] <DanaG> woooooooooooah, compiz is working on that nouveau!
[04:47] <DanaG> Sweet.
[04:48] <DanaG> oh, but it's crashing upon doing.. well, almost anything.  =þ
[04:48] <crdlb> wait, really?
[04:49] <DanaG> Well, some of it is.
[04:50] <X-Seti> everything that worked on Hardly, just upgrading as I went, worked on Jaunty
[04:50] <DanaG> It seems certain animations (such as lamp and vacuum) work, but others (such as "dream") crash Xorg.
[04:50] <DanaG> Water even works, surprisingly.
[04:51] <DanaG> [13185.799574] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - nSource: PROTECTION_ERROR, nStatus: INVALID_STATE
[04:51] <DanaG> [13185.799584] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - Ch 3/5 Class 0x309e Mthd 0x0184 Data 0x00000000:0x0000b484
[04:51] <DanaG> [13185.799627] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - nSource: LIMIT_COLOR, nStatus: INVALID_STATE PROTECTION_FAULT
[04:51] <DanaG> [13185.799633] [drm] PGRAPH_ERROR - Ch 3/6 Class 0x3089 Mthd 0x040c Data 0x00000000:0x00000000
[04:52] <DanaG> er, sorry, too many lines.
[04:53] <DanaG> Tremulous locks up the X server, though.
[04:54] <DanaG> heh, I can ssh in and SAK.
[04:55] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3f210a23
[05:05] <DanaG> I see... creating ANY new window crashes it.
[05:06] <RAOF> DanaG: Is this nouveau-gallium? :)
[05:06] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:07] <RAOF> The second glxgears window did lock X for me, with a nice side-order of framebuffer corruption.
[05:08] <RAOF> The first one worked, though.  It just was all-black.
[05:10] <DanaG> hmm, gtkperf on 1280x1024 (stupid crt thinks 1280x960 is "too correct" for it).... 11.5 or so seconds..
[05:10]  * DanaG now tries with nvidia.
[05:11] <DanaG> Note: for same theme and everything, my radeon is 10.5 or so.  Damn close.
[05:11] <RAOF> DanaG: Is gtkperf packaged anywhere?
[05:11] <rww> !info gtkperf | RAOF
[05:12] <RAOF> That'll do.  It wasn't last time I checked ;)
[05:12] <DanaG> =þ
[05:12] <DanaG> now, on a savage athlonxp, the same thing takes 30 seconds.  =þ
[05:13] <rww> DanaG: How do I use gtkperf? Just run it and hit Start?
[05:14] <DanaG> Yeah.  Perhaps maximize it for consistent size, though.
[05:15] <DanaG> odd: when I boot, my system drops from usplash back to text mode -- EVERY time.
[05:15] <DanaG> At the same point, too: right where it runs fsck.ext4.
[05:19] <DanaG> nvidia: 12.34 with metacity, 17.34 with compiz.
[05:19] <DanaG> And for some reason, I can't even see it doing the scroll test.
[05:21] <DanaG> In fact, instead of seeing the scroll test, I see the window go "boooooiiiing"
[05:21] <DanaG> I have wobble on beep set... and apparently scrolling makes it beep.
[05:21] <DanaG> So, you get the effect of 100 beeps at once.
[05:35] <Alexia_Death> Okay. now pulse is completley broken ...
[05:35] <Alexia_Death> Only cracles.
[05:36] <o0Chris0o> yup
[05:36] <o0Chris0o>  join #alsa
[05:36] <o0Chris0o> try to speak to dtchen
[05:37] <Alexia_Death> About ubuntu PA poblems?
[05:37] <Amaranth> Alexia_Death: I get that sometimes after pausing video
[05:38] <Alexia_Death> I get it all the time
[05:39] <Alexia_Death> recently
[05:40] <LordKow> i usually get it when there is a lot of other stuff going on... like sometimes the login sound will crackle slightly
[05:40] <LordKow> if i'm doing a lot of hard-drive writing while playing something it may crackle slightly.
[05:40] <LordKow> the audio that is. would def be bad if my hard drive was crackling.
[06:02] <jscinoz> irssi + screen + bitlbee + notify-osd = AWESOME
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:03] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[06:03] <jscinoz> now if only there was some way for dbus to work over ssh
[06:03] <jscinoz> so when i reconnected from elsewhere the notify-osd popups would appear there
[06:04] <jscinoz> now that i think about it it probably is possible
[06:05] <DanaG> Now if only (pointer to my previous rants)!  =þ
[06:05] <bruce89> queuing
[06:05] <JanC> dbus can work over TCP/IP
[06:05] <jscinoz> wut
[06:06] <JanC> (by design, don't know if it was implemented though :P )
[06:06] <skyl> have people been marching in the streets over the new desktop look yet?
[06:07] <skyl> hey, maybe I could make one?  where would I send it?
[06:08] <rww> skyl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[06:37] <DanaG> My old laptop and my new laptop both take 45 seconds to boot.
[06:38] <DanaG> ARGH!
[06:38] <DanaG> Disabling my Intel card with its killswitch... should NOT disable all other wifi cards!
[06:41] <sparr> DanaG: then change the script that runs when you flip the switch?
[06:41] <DanaG> It's not an acpi script; it's HAL.
[06:41] <sparr> the idea of that switch is to conserve battery life by disabling wifi...  kinda silly to have it if you have multiple cards
[06:42] <DanaG> I also have another use case: if you have two wifi cards, and you want to force it to use an alternate one.
[06:42] <quietas> from a clean 8.10 64-bit server install, what is the easiest way to do a network upgrade to 9.04?
[06:43] <quietas> the jaunty page says do-release-upgrade, but that says no =)
[06:43] <DanaG> http://www.nabble.com/wireless-hardware-disable-switch-forbids-the-use-of-external-wifi-cards-td21988186.html
[06:44] <DanaG> "Second, it's not really possible to match up rfkill switches with specific wireless devices.  " --- BULL!
[06:44] <DanaG> On some cards, it IS possible... and on those cards.. they should do it.
[06:44] <DanaG> Not ignore cards that have per-device switches just because _some_ don't have them.
[06:45] <DanaG> "So in the case of, say, Intel 3945 cards, which are in millions of laptops, the switch actually kills the intel radio directly.  Thus when the switch is turned off, we don't always know which radios can be un-killed by software, and which can be unkilled by hardware. "
[06:45] <DanaG> Is it just me, or does this sound like broken logic?
[06:46] <DanaG> Because it kills the Intel radio directly..... then you DO know... that that's one that can't be software-unkilled!
[06:48] <DanaG> Yeah... broken reasoning.
[06:50] <DanaG> ".  For starters, "rfkill" means "turn the radio off", and that's
[06:50] <DanaG> exactly what NetworkManager does.  It turns off the radios. "
[06:50] <DanaG> switch says to turn of THE (i.e. ONE) radio... and it says, "screw that, I'm killing them all!"
[06:50] <DanaG> s/of/off/
[07:05] <maco> ive got an odd problem with kontact. its not showing any mail between "january" and "last week"  i'm using imap and the mails are definitely on the server. anyone else seeing this sort of weirdness?
[07:14] <maco> oh...wait...looks like gmail is being odd
[07:28] <DanaG> grr, stupid NetworkManager... assumes that oh, nobody could POSSIBLY be already running a dnsmasq server on their system already!
[07:28] <DanaG> So, if you try to create an ad-hoc network... it tries to start a new dnsmasq... and of course fails -- address already in use!
[08:51] <scizzo-> moin
[09:01] <peppot> where to make device permissions permanent in jaunty?
[09:02] <vega_> peppot: probably  /etc/udev/rules.d/*
[09:02] <peppot> hm., there is no preexisting permissions rule file
[09:02] <vega_> /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
[09:02] <vega_> seems to contain something
[09:02] <peppot> not here
[09:03] <vega_> hm, sorry this was 8.10
[09:03] <vega_> wrong machine..
[09:11] <vega_>  /lib/udev/rules.d has something in jaunty
[09:15] <leche> hey, is there any plan to change the gdm theme till the artwork freeze?
[09:23] <raddy> Hello everybodu
[09:23] <raddy> Hello everybody
[09:23] <raddy> Will Jauny Jackalope have new theme?
[09:25] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ping
[09:25] <BUGabundo> good morning guys and galls
[09:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping. are you around?
[09:28] <BUGabundo> cwillu: hi. have I missed in this last few days?
[09:28] <scizzo-> morning BUGabundo
[09:28] <BUGabundo> hey scizzo-
[09:29] <BUGabundo> same question to you
[09:29] <BUGabundo> this room is getting bigger
[09:29] <BUGabundo> 200+ members
[09:29] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: hmmm mostly seen people complaining about home directories being removed and radeon and nvidia stuff
[09:29] <BUGabundo> what ? removed dirs?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> when did that happen?
[09:30] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: someone a yesterday or something like that had his/her homedir removed....don't know much more I just saw it in the channel
[09:30] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: do not know if this was a upgrade for kernel stuff or whatever it was
[09:31] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: just something I saw
[09:31] <BUGabundo> okay
[09:31] <BUGabundo> thanks for the update
[09:31] <BUGabundo> also what's up with NV?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> scizzo-: er, did anyone actually file a bug about that / track that down?
[09:31] <BUGabundo> its working fine here
[09:31] <raddy> Will Jaunty Jackalope have new theme?
[09:31] <BUGabundo> good morning Hobbsee
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hey BUGabundo
[09:31] <BUGabundo> raddy: AFAIK no
[09:32] <scizzo-> Hobbsee: Like I said....I just saw it in here where someone was doing a upgrade or something
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hm.  that's a bit worrying.
[09:32] <BUGabundo> yeah
[09:32] <raddy> BUGabundo : Ohhh No
[09:33] <scizzo-> Hobbsee: I don't wanna say to much I just had thought about EXT4 and those things in my head
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hm, OK
[09:33] <scizzo-> maybe check a backlog?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> i don't have it in mine, maybe it was in overnight.
[09:33]  * scizzo- checks his own
[09:34] <Hobbsee> scizzo-: if that's going to hit a number of people as they dist-upgrade, that's not good - so tracking it down with people would be lovely, if you could
[09:34] <BUGabundo> specially before BETA
[09:34] <scizzo-> I see that god-mok was here....he said something about homedir being gone
[09:35] <scizzo-> I will pastebin
[09:35] <BUGabundo> if it is that serious and reproducble we will have to delay it
[09:35] <BUGabundo> thanks scizzo-
[09:35] <scizzo-> http://pastebin.com/m6e4a63bf
[09:35] <BUGabundo> bah
[09:36] <BUGabundo> not much details
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hm, useless.
[09:36] <scizzo-> my irssi is being stupid also
[09:36] <BUGabundo> could have been a fluke
[09:36] <BUGabundo> or etx4 related
[09:36] <scizzo-> it does not log to much really
[09:36] <BUGabundo> unless a 2nd user confirms it
[09:36] <BUGabundo> I would forget it
[09:37] <scizzo-> IMO it seems to be a EXT3 -> EXT4 if it is any problem at all
[09:37] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: ext4 isn't *that* unstable.  But it could have well been the bug with ext4 filesystems and crashes and 0-byte files
[09:38] <Ademan> uh, so file-roller doesn't seem to want to extract eGDM.tar.gz from eGDM_3_by_DanRabbit.zip  obtainable from here: http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/eGDM-3-98073192  can anyone confirm?  (right clicking the file and selecting extract or hitting the extract button on the toolbar with the file selected will both behave the same, brings up the dialog, but the dialog will not respond when you finally hit the "extract" button)  Als
[09:38] <Ademan> o note that "Extract Here" in nautilus still works
[09:38] <WatchBot> Ademan: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> LjL: bad hit ^
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Ademan: hrm.  how does one actually download that?
[09:39] <scizzo-> nope sorry can't find more information
[09:39] <scizzo-> sorry...
[09:40] <Ademan> Hobbsee: on the left there's a Download with a little icon next to it
[09:40] <Hobbsee> oh.  that one
[09:40] <Hobbsee> how obtuse
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Ademan: can't reproduce either way.  Are you sure it finished downloading before you tried extracting it?
[09:42] <Ademan> Hobbsee: yeah, I tried re-downloading it as well, although it's possible firefox just cached it, lemme wget it and try again, one sec
[09:42] <Hobbsee> oh.  you need to actually put in a filename, if you hadn't.
[09:42] <Ademan> hrm
[09:42] <Hobbsee> (it wants you to give it a name for the folder it extracts into)
[09:42] <Hobbsee> which isn't so clear
[09:42] <Ademan> yeah
[09:42] <Ademan> is that the way it's always been?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i don't usually do it that way - but I think it has ever since i've been using gnome (ie, gutsy)
[09:43] <Ademan> I don't tend to actually open file-roller so much as use the extract here functionality, but that doesn't seem familiar to me
[09:43] <Ademan> hrm
[09:43] <Hobbsee> i remember finding that odd before
[09:43] <Hobbsee> so it's certainly nto new
[09:44] <Ademan> hrm, well sorry for acting like it was a bug then haha
[09:44] <Hobbsee> no problem ;)
[09:44]  * Ademan is off to bug gnome devs
[09:44] <Ademan> lol
[09:44] <Hobbsee> it may well be a bug ;)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> just not one for ubuntu, and one that's been there for a while ;)
[09:44] <Ademan> hahah
[09:44] <scizzo-> where can I find more information about the development of notify-osd more then launchpad?
[09:45] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: I know that ext4 is not that unstable
[09:45] <BUGabundo> I've been keeping in the loop
[09:45] <BUGabundo> and am one of those that doesn't blame ext4 for the end of the world
[09:45] <Ademan> lol
[09:45] <BUGabundo> and even *try* to explain to ppl that its not that buggy
[09:46] <Hobbsee> scizzo-: #dx, perhaps, but it's not terribly transparent to anyone except those writing it :(
[09:46] <Hobbsee> scizzo-: there might be a ML as well
[09:46] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: heh
[09:46] <scizzo-> Hobbsee: aaa thanks
[09:49] <scizzo-> oooo right
[09:49] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: there was some talk about IPv6 enabling/disabling also yesterday I believe
[09:49] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: think that it was bug reported also
[09:49] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: see the specs in the wiki
[09:50] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Comments and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/
[09:50] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[09:50] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: cheers
[09:50] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: I thought IPv6 bug had been fixed.... bah
[09:51] <BUGabundo> jaunty *was* supposed to a be a bug fix release
[09:51] <scizzo-> !bug #313218
[09:51] <BUGabundo> now we are swanped in bugs
[09:51] <scizzo-> hmmm
[09:51] <BUGabundo> even the new fonts and DPI have been reverted
[09:51] <BUGabundo> audio is going to be fixed as SRU
[09:51] <BUGabundo> FF 3.5 won't come in
[09:51] <BUGabundo> and OSD is buggy
[09:52] <scizzo-> !bug #337488
[09:52] <BUGabundo> ohh NV and ATI are buggier then ever
[09:52] <BUGabundo> LOL
[09:52] <BUGabundo> glad we are alpha testers
[09:52] <BUGabundo> in one month and one week we will all be using koala
[09:52] <scizzo-> haha
[09:52] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[09:53] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: I would recommend you to subscribe to those wikis
[09:53] <BUGabundo> MPT keeps changing them on a daily bases
[09:53] <b3rz3rk3r> hey all, if i install the 9.04 alpha can i just upgrade to full release via patches when it comes out?
[09:54] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: will do
[09:54] <BUGabundo> b3rz3rk3r: YES
[09:54] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: can you change /topic?
[09:54] <BUGabundo> we need to post that info on Topic
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ppl keep asking it
[09:55] <BUGabundo> oh look wgrant is here today!
[09:55] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: write a factoid for it instead, probably - topic is already pretty long
[09:55] <BUGabundo> yah
[09:55] <BUGabundo> factoid?
[09:55] <b3rz3rk3r> BUGabundo, awesome, how is 64bit support coming alone these days? i recall programs like Skype and flash video on firefox refused to work a few releases ago, and i ahvent checked since...?
[09:55] <BUGabundo> is that something for the bot?
[09:55] <wgrant> BUGabundo: I've been in here for a month or so, IIRC.
[09:55] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: yes
[09:55] <BUGabundo> skype works (but I can't record audio)
[09:55] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: its a bot information thingy
[09:56] <BUGabundo> flash works
[09:56] <wgrant> I have no topic privs.
[09:56] <BUGabundo> again no Mic support
[09:56] <wgrant> I am a mortal on IRC.
[09:56] <b3rz3rk3r> hmm..
[09:56] <b3rz3rk3r> so worth another you think?
[09:56] <BUGabundo> wgrant: I used to see you very active on hardy and ibex cycle
[09:56] <BUGabundo> during jaunty you were very quiet
[09:56] <BUGabundo> only now I saw you here heeh
[09:57] <BUGabundo> b3rz3rk3r: always!
[09:57] <b3rz3rk3r> lol
[09:57] <BUGabundo> jaunty is Da Bomb
[09:57] <b3rz3rk3r> kk
[09:57] <BUGabundo> ok, back to mail! bbl
[09:57] <b3rz3rk3r> thx BUGabundo
[09:57] <b3rz3rk3r> later
[09:58] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Burnout ftl!
[09:58] <BUGabundo> ho and if anyone see dtchen let me know! need to debug flash Mic (can't do my presentations/podcast without it)
[09:59]  * BUGabundo recons its too soon for dtchen... 18h GMT will be much better
[09:59]  * BUGabundo regrets having subscribed to Bug 148454
[10:00] <TuTUXG> how to permanently change swappiness in 9.04?
[10:01] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: what?
[10:01] <TuTUXG> BUGabundo, the default swappiness (60) is too high for me
[10:01] <BUGabundo> again
[10:01] <BUGabundo> whats that?
[10:02] <TuTUXG> !swappiness
[10:02] <nanomad> TuTUXG: edit /etc/init.d/rc.local
[10:02] <BUGabundo> the value of stuff to keep in swap?
[10:02] <TuTUXG> nanomad, thanks
[10:02] <nanomad> or create a rule in /etc/sysctl.d/
[10:03] <nanomad> (the second one is better IMHO)
[10:03] <TuTUXG> nanomad, ok, i will try that
[10:04] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: you change the swapiness value for performance AFAIK
[10:05] <BUGabundo> can any one using kmail confirm it shows up on every dekstop/workspace?
[10:05] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: I have 4GiBs of RAM and 8 of swap! I couldn't care less
[10:05] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: hehe
[10:05] <BUGabundo> -/+ buffers/cache:    2088576    1900400
[10:06] <BUGabundo> see ? most of it is Cache
[10:06] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: yeah but for us poor people who still are using old machines... :P
[10:06] <BUGabundo> ho come on
[10:06] <BUGabundo> a fresh boot of jaunty only takes 340 MiBs
[10:06] <scizzo-> haha
[10:06] <BUGabundo> I tested it on many many machines during my classes
[10:06] <scizzo-> true very true
[10:07] <scizzo-> I am pulling your leg a little here... ;)
[10:07] <BUGabundo> several users have confirmed to me that Jaunty is much faster then ibex
[10:27] <BUGabundo> Serious bug: need confirmation:
[10:27] <BUGabundo> OOo Calc no longer allows to drag a cell?????
[10:30] <nanomad> BUGabundo: works fine here
[10:30] <nanomad> lp bug number?
[10:37] <BUGabundo> major security bug on gwibber. making a big Search lead to ubuntu reboot #DoS
[10:44] <ziroday> Is it possible to migrate a ext3 system to ext4?
[10:44] <BUGabundo> ziroday: yes
[10:44] <ziroday> BUGabundo: link?
[10:45] <ziroday> (would be helpful)
[10:46] <BUGabundo> don't have it with
[10:46] <BUGabundo> sorry
[10:46] <BUGabundo> bit busy debuging a DoS on Jaunty
[10:46] <ziroday> BUGabundo: any ideas what to google for?
[10:46] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:46] <BUGabundo> migrate a ext3 system to ext4
[10:46] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:46] <RAOF> ext4 wiki fs.  it's on kernel.org, IIRC.
[10:47] <ziroday> RAOF: danke
[10:48] <RAOF> bitte.
[10:49] <ziroday> ah, forgot about the whole needing to setup a seperate boot partition
[10:49] <BUGabundo> ziroday: there's no need for thar
[10:49] <ziroday> BUGabundo: but legacy grub doesn't support ext4, no?
[10:50] <BUGabundo> it does on jaunty
[10:50] <ziroday> BUGabundo: awesome
[10:50] <ziroday> well time to break my laptop
[10:52] <Amaranth> ziroday: You just mount as ext4 and then fsck it
[10:52] <ziroday> Amaranth: got it
[10:53] <Amaranth> Don't even have to fsck it, that just puts in some of the stuff that makes it better
[10:53] <Amaranth> well, obviously you'd actually fsck it first :P
[10:53] <ziroday> Amaranth: well I'm converting the entire disk so running the tune2fs whatever, fsck then reboot
[10:53] <ziroday> and it should work
[10:53] <ziroday> in theory
[10:53] <ziroday> oh and changing fstab
[10:54] <Amaranth> ziroday: You'll still miss out on extents for files you already have on the disk though
[10:54] <ziroday> Amaranth: thats fine, they appear for newer files correct?
[10:54] <Amaranth> right
[10:54]  * Hobbsee copied /home all across the network, then copied it back, to avoid that, and just reinstalled beyond that
[10:54]  * Amaranth burned /home to DVD and reinstalled
[10:54] <ziroday> ack now I want to reinstall
[10:55] <Amaranth> Can't get a 20 second boot without it :P
[10:55] <ziroday> Amaranth: hate you
[10:55]  * ziroday goes reinstall
[10:56] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: really?
[10:56] <BUGabundo> mine is 75 sec
[10:57] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Someone posted a bootchart
[10:57] <Amaranth> I think mine is probably more like 30, dunno
[10:58] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: I can post mine
[11:01] <ziroday> I can trim mine on my aging laptop to ~25
[11:01] <Amaranth> ziroday: afaik this was stock though
[11:01] <ziroday> but from suspend its 5 seconds
[11:01] <ziroday> Amaranth: ah right
[11:01] <ziroday> Amaranth: during a readahead profile was the biggest improvement, and its easy to do
[11:01] <rconan> why do people care about boot time? suspend resume time is negligable and bootup happens once a week or so
[11:01] <ziroday> but gnome still takes ~20-30secs to startup
[11:01] <ziroday> rconan: cause on some laptops even in suspend battery usage is too high, as well as for some laptops suspend is borked
[11:01]  * rconan hadn't considered laptops
[11:01] <ziroday> rconan: and places where electricity costs a fortune you shutdown alot, and watching it startup drives you nuts
[11:01] <BUGabundo> rconan: Hibernate and resume (without compressions) take 1:30 on my laptop
[11:01] <BUGabundo> with compression (uwsup) it drops to 15/20 sec resume
[11:01] <rconan> I suspend if I have to but rarely do either
[11:01] <rconan> laptop gets suspended all the time
[11:01] <rconan> never shut down or hibernated
[11:01] <nacho_> Hi
[11:02] <BUGabundo> nacho_: hey
[11:02] <BUGabundo> rconan: lucky you
[11:02] <BUGabundo> mine after 2 or 3 gets tooooo slowwwww
[11:02] <nacho_> releated to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule jaunty beta should be released, is it?
[11:02] <rconan> erm... not til tomorrow...
[11:02] <nacho_> ok
[11:02] <nacho_> great
[11:03] <rconan> nacho_: bear in mind timezones
[11:03] <nacho_> I wanna change from 64 to 32
[11:03] <rconan> why so?
[11:03] <nacho_> rconan, 32 goes faster, it takes less battery
[11:03] <rconan> really?
[11:03] <rconan> seems a little odd
[11:04] <nacho_> rconan, seems and it is
[11:04] <rconan> i suspect you might find it's not really noticeable
[11:04] <nacho_> rconan, I already tested it and indeed there is a big difference
[11:04] <rconan> fair enough
[11:04] <nacho_> I've been using 64 for a year or so
[11:05] <nacho_> and I can say that 32 gives less trovels
[11:05] <rconan> never looked into relative battery life as my laptop is only 32-bit
[11:05] <rconan> but always used 64-bit on my desktop
[11:05] <rconan> that said speed is not so much of an issue on a 4GHz quad core
[11:05] <nacho_> rconan, I can imagin that all this battery life thing is because of the nvidia drier
[11:05] <rconan> probably
[11:06] <rconan> nvidia drivers suck
[11:06] <nacho_> indeed
[11:06] <BUGabundo> nacho_: Fake!
[11:06] <nacho_> what's fake?
[11:06] <BUGabundo> I haven't noticed that
[11:06] <nacho_> I did
[11:07] <BUGabundo> but maybe your system has something diff
[11:07] <BUGabundo> I would open a bug
[11:07] <BUGabundo> and ask kernel team to help debug
[11:07] <nacho_> it is a dell m1530
[11:07] <BUGabundo> apw: are there any reports of battery life being diff from 32 to 64 bits?
[11:07] <apw> not that i have seen.  battery life on my 64 laptop is good
[11:07] <fosco_> don't think so
[11:08] <BUGabundo> nacho_: are you sure you can reproduce it?
[11:08] <BUGabundo> with to daily live cds?
[11:08] <nacho_> BUGabundo, if it was just me, I wouldn't say anything but I tried with 2 m1530
[11:08] <nacho_> same thing in ubuntu and debian
[11:08] <BUGabundo> 1st time I hear anyone mention that
[11:09] <nacho_> with ubuntu 64 I have more or less 30 minutes less than with ubuntu 32
[11:09] <nacho_> same in debian
[11:09] <BUGabundo> can you boot from two livecds and leave the battery dry?
[11:09] <BUGabundo> and clock it?
[11:09] <BUGabundo> and then file a bug on LP
[11:09] <nacho_> I can imagin two things: first a kernel thing, and 2th a problem in the nvidia drvier
[11:09] <BUGabundo> adding your logs
[11:09] <BUGabundo> the livecd won't have the NVidia driver
[11:09] <BUGabundo> so it should allow us to compare
[11:09] <nacho_> If I have time I'll do it
[11:13] <peppot> where is udev permissions in jaunty?
[11:14] <peppot>  all there is in /etc/udev is rules.d with 70-persistent-cd.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules
[11:19] <peppot> well, I'll attempt putting raw1394:root:video:0640 on a line in a new 40-permissions.rules
[11:21] <peppot> that most likely won't work eh
[11:21] <peppot> anyone?
[11:32] <scizzo-> I wonder
[11:32] <scizzo-> the open source driver for nvidia
[11:33] <scizzo-> wouldn't that be a good driver for having against the live CD?
[11:34]  * scizzo- is brainstorming a bit here
[11:35] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: what Graphicscard are you having?
[11:40] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: no closed drivers on cd/dvd
[11:41] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: I said open source
[11:41] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: aaa you mean no "specific" driver..?
[11:46] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: I thought you said Closed
[11:46] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: no I mean the Nouveau driver
[11:47] <scizzo-> however it seems to not be really good and ready
[11:48] <BUGabundo> its nice... it _works_
[12:05] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: sweet
[12:06] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: has a little development needed maybe?
[12:06] <BUGabundo> don't know
[12:10] <thewrath> where am i supposed to post information on jaunty
[12:10] <thewrath> in teh forum
[12:11] <BUGabundo> thewrath: please explain!
[12:11]  * BUGabundo doesnt use forums
[12:11] <Pici> thewrath: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=352
[12:12] <thewrath> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6953893#post6953893
[12:12] <thewrath> i know wrong forum
[12:12] <thewrath> i apologize
[12:14] <thewrath> what do you guys think
[12:14] <thewrath> somethign with my computer or something with the wubi
[12:37] <thewrath>  /leave
[12:45] <bluefoxx> So anyone alive in here to suggest some minimium specs for this release?
[12:49] <BUGabundo> bluefoxx: yep
[12:49] <BUGabundo> we are here
[12:50] <fosco_> bluefoxx: same as intrepid
[12:50] <bluefoxx> BUGabundo: and minimium reccomended specs for that were?
[12:50] <BUGabundo> well min specs are 4GiBs HD and 380 MBs RAM
[12:50] <bluefoxx> sorry, i've been away from linux for the last year, and finally have a somewhat decent spare box, and need to do some programming-ish stuff
[12:50] <BUGabundo> recommend would be 8GiB HD plus 2GiBs for swap and 512-1G RAM
[12:50] <bluefoxx> figured it a good time to get back into this stuff
[12:51] <bluefoxx> Ok, so a dual 1.4 p3 with 2 gigs is plenty than right?
[12:51] <fosco_> far enought
[12:51] <BUGabundo> to be on the safe side 20GiBs plus 2-4GBs RAM and a GPU and you are done!
[12:51] <BUGabundo> opps forgot netword card eheh
[12:51] <bluefoxx> and should i ever decide to tear away from windows and it's tempting games on this box, a p4-3.2 HT and 2 gigs would be a breeze with it than :D
[12:52] <bluefoxx> ok, thanks guys
[12:52] <BUGabundo> welcome back
[12:52] <BUGabundo> any questions you have, ask at will
[12:52] <bluefoxx> thanks
[12:52] <BUGabundo> and please read the release notes
[12:52] <BUGabundo> let me get the links
[12:52] <bluefoxx> downloading the torrent now...
[12:52] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[12:52] <bluefoxx> 1.5MB/s goodness :D
[12:52] <BUGabundo> you can get a daily image
[12:52] <BUGabundo> and then rsync the changes
[12:52] <bluefoxx> hmm
[12:53] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[12:53] <Volkodav> http://soft.compulenta.ru/413166/
[12:53] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: english please! see
[12:55] <Volkodav> wrong window
[12:56] <BUGabundo> ahh
[13:00] <ruthgard> Good day
[13:00] <dns53> hey
[13:00] <ruthgard> do you have your hands full packaging the Beta? :)
[13:00] <bluefoxx> good morning
[13:02] <Guest69020> hi everyone
[13:02] <ruthgard> On the releasenotes for all the alphas there have been talk about maby creating a new notification function for Jaunty, is it known if it will be included or not yet?
[13:02] <Guest69020> i am on jaunty
[13:02] <ruthgard> Hello Guest69020
[13:02] <Guest69020> and i have a (little) problem
[13:02] <Guest69020> hello ruthgard
[13:03] <Guest69020> can i ask?
[13:03] <ruthgard> :) sure just ask :)
[13:03] <dns53> don't ask to ask a question, just ask it
[13:03] <Guest69020> i installed serpent and don't works for me
[13:03] <Guest69020> i installed serpentine and don't works for me
[13:04] <ikonia> Guest69020: how did you install it ?
[13:04] <Guest69020> with apt-get install
[13:04] <ikonia> Guest69020: which package vesion did it install ?
[13:04] <ikonia> (dpkg -l shows the packages installed)
[13:05]  * BUGabundo lunch
[13:05] <Guest69020> 0.9-5ubuntu4
[13:05] <ikonia> Guest69020: one moment
[13:06] <ikonia> that appears to be the current version, I thought it had got updated recently, what is the issue with it ?
[13:07] <Guest69020> it gives me an exception when i execute it
[13:07] <Guest69020> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:07] <Guest69020>   File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>
[13:07] <Guest69020>     assert path.isdir(locations.lib)
[13:07] <Guest69020> AssertionError
[13:08] <Guest69020> for you does it works?
[13:09] <ikonia> I've not got it installed here
[13:10] <Guest69020> maybe it is my fault  because before today i coldn't install it in no way because it depended on python-4suite-xml which was broken
[13:11] <Guest69020> so i tried to compile a  version of python-4suite-xml
[13:11] <ikonia> thats silly to do on unstable development boxes
[13:11] <ikonia> you're fighting against a moving target
[13:11] <Guest69020> compiled serpentine
[13:11] <Guest69020> and installed
[13:12] <Guest69020> today they have fixed the error in python
[13:12] <ikonia> you're not on a sane box
[13:12] <Guest69020> and i installed the new version with apt
[13:13] <ruthgard> Guest69020, I would recommend to go back to Intrepid or wait a month :)
[13:13] <Guest69020> now the problem is that with apport i filed a bug report
[13:13] <ikonia> Guest69020: your bug reports will be invalid
[13:13] <Guest69020> and maybe serpentine works perfectly
[13:13] <ikonia> Guest69020: your bug reports will be invalid
[13:14] <Guest69020> for you does it works?
[13:14] <ikonia> I don't have it installed, I just said that
[13:16] <Guest69020> do you know how can i remove completely the old version  of serpentine  and of python-4suite-xml so i can have a clean installation
[13:16] <Guest69020> ?
[13:16] <ikonia> Guest69020: I would suggest you re-install 9.04 and not compile things by hand to keep a sane platform for testing
[13:17] <Guest69020> reinstall everything???
[13:17] <ikonia> Guest69020: yes
[13:18] <Guest69020> a drastical solution. i do it in windows when something goes bad, but i am  in linux now
[13:18] <Guest69020> :)
[13:18] <ikonia> linux/windows has nothing to do with it
[13:19] <Guest69020> when you do a error you reinstall everything?
[13:19] <ikonia> Guest69020: no
[13:19] <ruthgard> You should allso be able to reinstall all the packages if you know all that has been affected
[13:19] <ikonia> Guest69020: but I don't use a development system for important data, and I don't put things on the machine that I don't know how to maintain
[13:20] <TheInfinity> Guest69020: but you get a defined plattform if you reinstall. thats alpha testing as its in every os.
[13:20] <Guest69020> can't i simply delete the old installation?
[13:20] <ikonia> Guest69020: what did it install - and where did it install ?
[13:20] <Guest69020> it's in /usr/local
[13:21] <ikonia> Guest69020: what is - and where in /usr/local/ ?
[13:21] <ikonia> Guest69020: and what else is now linked against it ?
[13:22] <Guest69020> i tried to install python-4suite-xml but i think it doesn't worked
[13:22] <ikonia> safer to re-install from what you are aying
[13:22] <Guest69020> then i installed serpentine in /usr/local with the command python setup install
[13:23] <ikonia> Guest69020: you have no idea what that it installed or what it did
[13:24] <Guest69020> i know that everything it installed is in /usr/local
[13:25] <Guest69020> python-4suite-xml did'n't compile
[13:25] <Guest69020> so it is not installed
[13:26] <robertj> hrmm, on the beta adding a task list results in an infinite number of task list items being added
[13:27] <Guest69020> is there a command like make uninstall to remove a python package?
[13:28] <ikonia> Guest69020: re-install 9.04
[13:31] <Guest69020> serpentine install things in /usr not in /usr/local so there should be no conflict
[13:31] <Guest69020> maybe doing python setup uninstall?
[13:34] <Guest69020> the most drastical thing i can do is to remove manually files in  /usr/local
[13:35] <Guest69020> after all in a clean installation of ubuntu  are there these files?
[13:36] <Guest69020> so i haven't to reinstall everything :)
[13:37] <Guest69020> but i wanted to know  this
[13:37] <Guest69020> the reason serpentine  don't work
[13:37] <ikonia> Guest69020: re-install 9.04
[13:37] <Guest69020> is that is my fault
[13:37] <Guest69020> or there is a bug in serpentine
[13:38] <ikonia> Guest69020: re-install 9.04 - and re-test
[13:39] <Guest69020> could you be so kind to install serpentine and do it for me?
[13:40] <ikonia> Guest69020: I can't at the moment
[13:40] <ikonia> Guest69020: I suggest you re-install 9.04 and re-test
[13:40] <Guest69020> ok
[13:40] <ikonia> Guest69020: if you want to help with the bug testing - this is what it involves
[13:40] <Guest69020> i wanted to help
[13:40] <ikonia> Guest69020: so you need to do a sane test
[13:41] <Guest69020> but i don't want to reinstall everything :(
[13:41] <ikonia> that's a big part of testing pre-release software
[13:42] <Guest69020> how can i remove the bug i filed on launchpad with apport?
[13:42] <ikonia> mark it as not an issue
[13:42] <Guest69020> how?
[13:45] <Guest69020> is there someone here that is running jaaunty and today has installed serpentine?
[13:45] <Guest69020> does it works?
[13:47] <Guest69020> to me it gives me this error Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:47] <Guest69020>   File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>
[13:47] <Guest69020>     assert path.isdir(locations.lib)
[13:47] <Guest69020> AssertionError
[13:49] <ikonia> Guest69020: we've just gone through this
[13:49] <ikonia> Guest69020: YOU need re-install jaunty to get a sane platform and YOU need to re-test
[13:52] <Guest69020> ikonia i thank you for your suggestion to reinstall everything, but now i am not speking with you. maybe there is someone else that have serpentine installed and i wanted simply to know if it works or not  so i can be helpful
[13:52] <ikonia> Guest69020: asking someone else if it works is not helpful
[13:52] <ikonia> Guest69020: you have found a possible - but doubtful bug
[13:52] <ikonia> it would be helpful to create a sane platform and test it
[13:52] <ikonia> Guest69020: tis is part of testing the bugs and reporting them correctly
[13:53] <ikonia> "this" sorry not tis
[13:53] <Guest69020> if it works i remove the bug i filed from lanchpad
[13:53] <ikonia> Guest69020: so you test it and remove the bug
[13:53] <Guest69020> launchpad
[13:53] <ikonia> Guest69020:  I strongly suggest you remove the bug now until you can verify it on a sane platform
[13:54] <ikonia> Guest69020: as your platform is tainted it will be invalid by default, so removing it now will stop the waste of peoples time looking at it
[13:59] <Guest69020> how can i do that (but maybe there is a bug, do you know? don't will be more helpful if someone with a not "tainted" (my ubuntu installation is not tainted) installation say to me if there is a bug or not? if i had to reinstall everything there would be a loss of time (first i have to backup everything and then to reinstall: 2 hours))
[13:59] <Guest69020> ?
[13:59] <ikonia> Guest69020: two hours well spent
[13:59] <bluefoxx> Heres a small issue: in the map when attempting to install, I couldn't click on Vancouver.
[13:59] <ikonia> Guest69020: plus a sane platform will allow you to do other tests without them being tainted
[14:00]  * bluefoxx liked the time zone map style of the ibex installer better
[14:00] <Guest69020> my platform is sane
[14:00] <ikonia> Guest69020: no it's not
[14:00] <Guest69020> why?
[14:00] <ikonia> Guest69020: you've got custom compiled stuff on there
[14:00] <Guest69020> can't i compile in ubuntu?
[14:01] <Guest69020> i'm not on windows
[14:01] <ikonia> Guest69020: of course you can, but logging bugs against a development addition of a platform that you're updating yourself is counter productive and pointless
[14:01] <bluefoxx> Ack!
[14:01] <bluefoxx> It wants to erase my disk by default?
[14:01] <ikonia> Guest69020: stop refering to windows - no-one said anything about windows, yet you keep bringing it up
[14:01] <charlie-tca> bluefoxx: there was a bug on that in launchpad. Trying to get the cities in the right zones
[14:01] <Guest69020> i installed things in /usr/local
[14:01] <ikonia> Guest69020: so ?
[14:02] <Guest69020> so
[14:02] <ikonia> Guest69020: are you %101 that everything LINKED against libraries in /usr/local ?
[14:02] <Guest69020> in a "sane" installation there is nothing in /usr/local?
[14:02] <bluefoxx> charlie-tca: Well In my opinion, I would say the older time zone selection worked better...
[14:02] <ikonia> bluefoxx: I would agree with that
[14:03] <charlie-tca> mine too. But this is the nature of things.
[14:03] <ikonia> things must chance
[14:03] <ikonia> changge
[14:03] <charlie-tca> You can still pick from the list, though
[14:03] <bluefoxx> I also think that having it suggest erasing your entire disk and installing as the default option might be a bad idea...
[14:03] <bluefoxx> charlie-tca: As I wound up doing...
[14:03] <Guest69020> ??
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Yeah, Boise is the same way. It is *way* too much work to pick it on the map
[14:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know what the best default for partitioning would be. I normally manual partition, since I have many installs to pick from
[14:04] <Guest69020> i removed the old serpentine.py from /usr/local so when i run serpentine i run the right one
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> what time is the beta out?
[14:05] <Guest69020> the traceback say mae that
[14:05] <ikonia> Guest69020: are you %101 everything you built was linked against /usr/local or /usr/
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> i know its tomorrow
[14:05]  * bluefoxx would have better luck playing minesweeper on a u810 using a hot dog as a stylus than selecting the right city on the installer map
[14:05] <Guest69020> what do you mean?
[14:05] <ikonia> Guest69020: never mind - you're wasting time
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> like is it 7am GMT, 8pm GMT
[14:05] <Guest69020> everything i built is in /usr/local
[14:05] <ikonia> Guest69020: logging bugs against your home compiled system is a waste of peoples effort
[14:06] <bluefoxx> I do like the new nag screen telling me to choose a stronger password though...
[14:06] <ikonia> bluefoxx: thats an interesting compromise as it should be down to the user to impliment the password policy they feel best
[14:06] <Guest69020> bluefoxx: can you do me a favour?
[14:07] <bluefoxx> If I had gone with something like 'password' or '12345678' as the password would it have told me outright, 'No!'?
[14:07] <ikonia> Guest69020: re-install 9.04 and est it yourself
[14:07] <bluefoxx> Guest69020: depends...
[14:08] <Guest69020> do you have serpentine installled?
[14:08] <bluefoxx> I normally have a 60 char passphrase, but for a box I'm using to get back into linux with, and only briefly to do a bit of programming for my sansa on, i just used a garbage temp one...not to mention theres not many things that take a 60 character password
[14:08] <bluefoxx> Guest69020: still installing.
[14:09] <Guest69020> wow thank you
[14:09] <ikonia> Guest69020: he's still installing the OS
[14:09] <ikonia> Guest69020: that's why he's at the map selection screen
[14:09] <ikonia> Guest69020: re-install 9.04 and get a sane platform back and test it yourself
[14:09] <bluefoxx> Guest69020: its getting whatever it comes with by default and whatever the dev page for rockbox tells me i need.
[14:11] <Guest69020> ikonia can i ask you a question?
[14:11] <ikonia> Guest69020: if it's about jaunty - sure
[14:11] <Guest69020> why can't you do an apt-get install serpentine?
[14:11] <ikonia> Guest69020: because my jaunty box is doing other tests at the moment
[14:11] <Guest69020> ok
[14:11] <ali1234> i just tried to sudo apt-get install serpentine and it failed horribly
[14:11] <ikonia> Guest69020: and plus as I said - it's important you get yourself a sane platform if you want to test
[14:12] <ali1234> serpentine: Depends: python-4suite-xml but it is not going to be installed
[14:12] <popey> works here on latest jaunty
[14:12] <Guest69020> ali1234: did you apt-get update first?
[14:12] <ali1234> no
[14:12] <Guest69020> this is the reason it fails
[14:12] <ali1234> of course
[14:13] <ali1234> that is going to take a while though
[14:13] <popey> update, not upgrade
[14:13] <ali1234> still gonna take a while
[14:13] <Guest69020> yes
[14:14] <Guest69020> thank you guys
[14:14] <ali1234> what is serpentine anyway?
[14:14] <popey> !info serpentine
[14:15] <Guest69020> it is a program i use to do gapless audio cd
[14:15] <Guest69020> a very good sofware :)
[14:16] <Guest69020> to me it gives me this error
[14:16] <Guest69020> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:16] <Guest69020>   File "/usr/bin/serpentine", line 109, in <module>
[14:16] <Guest69020>     assert path.isdir(locations.lib)
[14:16] <Guest69020> AssertionError
[14:17] <ali1234> assert path.isdir(locations.lib) does look like a problem with library paths to me
[14:17] <Guest69020> did you try it?
[14:17] <Guest69020> sama error?
[14:17] <ali1234> no im still downloading package lists. can you pastebin the FULL backtrace please?
[14:17] <Kano> hi, is here somebody who likes to package a squashfs-tools snapshot?
[14:18] <Guest69020> i think this is the full backtrace
[14:18] <Guest69020> it says only this when i run it in terminal
[14:18] <ali1234> hmm... what stuff did you compile yourself?
[14:18] <dan457> In my system it warns me that it conflits with other software.  not going to uninstall something to test it atm.  i'll try on anouther box later.
[14:19] <dan457> if you complied your own, you would not have gotten that warning i'm sure.
[14:19] <Guest69020> no this is the version i  installed with apt-get
[14:20] <ali1234> ok i get the same error
[14:20] <Guest69020> so there is a bug :
[14:20] <Guest69020> ok thank you everyone
[14:21] <dan457> hmm, other box, I get unresolved dependency.  python-4suite-xml
[14:21] <Guest69020> you get this because the list of packages is not updated
[14:22] <thewrath> i have no sound in ubuntu 9.04 alpha 6
[14:22] <thewrath> any comments
[14:22] <Guest69020> today they fixed a bug there was in python-4suite-xml
[14:23] <funkyHat> Am I right in thinking that fglrx is broken currently in Jaunty?
[14:23] <Guest69020> but serpentine still have bugs :(
[14:23] <thewrath> funkyHat: yes you are corret
[14:23] <thewrath> i had that issue yesterday
[14:23] <thewrath> you have to remove it from teh system adn restart
[14:23] <dan457> sound on new intel hd audio is a pain here.  when it works for me, but snap crackle pop.....
[14:23] <Guest69020> anyway this is the nly things don't work well in jaunty
[14:24] <Guest69020> at least for me
[14:24] <funkyHat> Is there a bug for it thewrath ?
[14:24] <dan457> ok, installed it and it crashed... sending in a report
[14:24] <bluefoxx> I do wish that the installer still tossed stuff like gparted onto the system when you installed...
[14:24] <thewrath> yes
[14:24] <thewrath> they do know of it
[14:24] <thewrath> that is how i found of it
[14:24] <peppot> anyone know how to make device permission settings permanent in jaunty?
[14:24] <Guest69020> is there an alternative to serpentine?
[14:24] <ali1234> Guest69020: it is crashing because /usr/bin/../lib/python2.6/site-packages/ does not exist
[14:24] <funkyHat> thewrath: do you know the bug #?
[14:25] <bluefoxx> would be really nice to have an 'advanced' section where one could do such things as say, download packages to be installed and updates...
[14:25] <bluefoxx> like the restricted-extras and all that...
[14:25] <bluefoxx> instead of doing it after installing....
[14:25] <ali1234> Guest69020: if you create that dir it seems to work
[14:25] <Guest69020> good
[14:25] <Guest69020> :)
[14:25] <Guest69020> thank you
[14:25] <thewrath> funkyHat: trying to find it
[14:25] <Guest69020> how did you discover that?
[14:25] <thewrath> while i am looking for it can anyone help me try to get my audio back
[14:26] <thewrath> in 9.04
[14:26] <Shane_Fagan> try alt f2 and then type pulseaudio
[14:26] <Guest69020> do you   know python?
[14:26] <thewrath> i do not know no
[14:27] <ali1234> Guest69020: yes
[14:27] <Guest69020> i have to learn it :)
[14:28] <Guest69020> it is more difficult than c++?
[14:28] <ali1234> no it is much much easier
[14:28] <thewrath> no sound in 9.04 anyone have that/
[14:29] <ali1234> Guest69020: but that's off topic... i suggest #python if you want to learn it
[14:29] <Guest69020> ok
[14:29] <Shane_Fagan> I get it a few times a day its a kernel problem
[14:30] <BUGabundo> thewrath: you need to install dtchen kernel images
[14:30] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[14:30] <Guest69020> so to suggest this solution to the developers how  can i do?
[14:30] <Shane_Fagan> If you restart pulseaudio it will get it back temporarily.
[14:31] <Shane_Fagan> dtchen's fix works
[14:31] <dan457> current pulse is buggy as hell.
[14:31] <dan457> if you compile the dev version, it works better with newer hdaudio hardware.
[14:32] <dan457> or just wait for a few weeks.. lol
[14:32] <ali1234> Guest69020: that isn't a fix, it is a work around. you need to find out why the directory doesnt exist for py2.6 (it exists for 2.5) and why serpentine needs to check that it exists. only when you can answer those questions can you suggest a proper fix
[14:32] <thewrath> BUGabundo: it says an older version is avilable in a software channel
[14:32] <bluefoxx> should work fine with an ancient generic creative card
[14:33] <Shane_Fagan> Is compiz working for anyone else?
[14:33] <thewrath> generally yoiu are reocmmend to isntall the verson formt eh software channel, since iti s ually better supported
[14:33] <thewrath> Shane_Fagan: in 9.04?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> thewrath: and its true
[14:33] <Shane_Fagan> Yeo
[14:33] <Guest69020> i understand
[14:33] <BUGabundo> downlload all files for your arch
[14:33] <BUGabundo> and then install
[14:33] <Shane_Fagan> 9.04 yep
[14:33] <bluefoxx> sound in my box something thats on par with onboard, but the machine itself doesn't even have that....
[14:33] <thewrath> so should i not do the stuff from dtchen?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: yes it works
[14:34] <Shane_Fagan> Its broken for me
[14:34] <BUGabundo> thewrath: please install and comment on the bug
[14:34] <bluefoxx> since it was intended to be a server about a decade back when someone else had it...
[14:34] <thewrath> BUGabundo: can you link me tot he bug
[14:35] <eMaX> very weird. sometimes my display starts to flicker. nvidia on thinkpad t61. when I leave it flickering for a while, like 10 secs, the laptop will just hard reset. If I send it quickly to standby and then resume, all is fine.
[14:35] <BUGabundo> its in the deb it self
[14:35] <BUGabundo> bug 330814
[14:35] <thewrath> so that is the same issue as having no audio
[14:37] <bluefoxx> hmm...
[14:37] <bluefoxx> a pile of i/o request errors on /dev/sr0...
[14:37] <Guest69020> i haven't tried pulseaudio, alsa works good for me. what are the advantages of it over alsa?
[14:37] <bluefoxx> whatever that was, it rebooted like it was supposed to
[14:38] <thewrath> i was told that alsa shoudl work
[14:38] <thewrath> how do i set my audio driver
[14:39] <BUGabundo> thewrath: audio properties
[14:40] <thewrath> k
[14:40] <BUGabundo> system->pref->multimedia selection
[14:40] <thewrath> system->pref->audi
[14:45] <thewrath> BUGabundo: here is one thing
[14:46] <thewrath> when i plug my headphoens in it works
[14:46] <thewrath> but my regular computer speakers donet work
[14:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:47] <BUGabundo> please state that on the bug
[14:47] <BUGabundo> and add the alsa report link
[14:47] <s0u][ight> no kernel changes?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[14:47] <s0u][ight> .29?
[14:48] <thewrath> link me again tot he bug
[14:48] <thewrath> my ff closed unexpectily
[14:51] <dan457> your speakers broken?  or are you headphones usb?
[14:51] <cyberix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/348480
[14:51] <BUGabundo> bug 330814
[14:51] <thewrath> https://launchpad.net/bugs/330814 that bug?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> thewrath: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[14:51] <BUGabundo> chmod it to have X
[14:51] <BUGabundo> and run it
[14:52] <BUGabundo> copy the link provided to the LP bug and state your prob
[14:54] <cyberix> My bug is about regression that might have an effect on a relatively large population of user.  (XFS had the whole disk) Is it safe to repair XFS or will that kill GRUB?
[15:16] <BUGabundo> SeanTater: should be safe
[15:16] <BUGabundo> livecd or recovery console?
[15:16] <BUGabundo> xfs_check
[15:16] <BUGabundo> and xfs_repair should do much harm
[15:17] <SeanTater> Right now, it's fully installed and I'm on a normal desktop
[15:17] <SeanTater> It boots up but XFS is dead
[15:17] <SeanTater> (XFS isn't my primary drive)
[15:18] <SeanTater> So I can run xfs_check but not xfs_repair?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> bbl
[15:19] <dan457> boot from a live CD and run both.
[15:21] <SeanTater> I can do that, but since it's not mounted, it's on another disk, and the data is not that crucial, wouldn't it be the same run from a normal install?
[15:31] <MTecknology> How do I grab the source of a package?
[15:32] <tomsdale> Anyone with a Dell Laptop with an alps touchpad? There are a couple of bugs regarding this touchpad in launchpad but no clear future. What can I do to get this issue moving in jaunty?
[15:32] <funkyHat> MTecknology: apt-get source package
[15:32] <funkyHat> MTecknology: (no need for sudo)
[15:34] <MTecknology> !find pam_cracklib
[15:39] <MTecknology> grabbing a massive bzr branch just so I can make a patch to a spelling error on a bug over a year old....
[15:40] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: eheh
[15:41] <MTecknology> GREAT... grep won't even find the file for me
[15:44] <MTecknology> -_-
[15:44] <tomsdale> i found a bugfix for the touchpad issues in a diff file for linux-2.6.27/drivers/input/mouse/alps.c. Can I apply this in my jaunty installation - how?
[15:46] <MTecknology> it's the blueprints
[15:46] <MTecknology> wrong chan
[15:47] <tomsdale> !296610
[15:47] <tomsdale> bug 296610
[15:50] <nemo> I've been getting "Apt Authentication Issue" notifications a lot lately.
[15:50] <nemo> like. last couple of days
[15:51] <nemo> I'm pretty sure the network over here hasn't changed recently.
[15:51] <nemo> is anyone else experiencing these?
[15:51] <BUGabundo> nemo do you use any PPA?
[15:52] <unixdawg> ok who broke yakuake
[15:53] <unixdawg> i cant change any of the settins in yakuake now it crashes
[15:59] <tomsdale> Can I apply a .diff patch for a mouse driver for kernel version 2.26.27 to a jaunty 2.26.28-11 kernel. Do I have to recompile the kernel? little help please ...
[16:00] <rconan> is it deliberate that you can no longer drag and drop panels?
[16:00] <BUGabundo> rconan: you mean top and bottom? I can
[16:01] <rconan> so you can drag your top panel and put it at the side
[16:02] <BUGabundo> let me try to be sure
[16:02] <BUGabundo> no I can't!
[16:02] <BUGabundo> WTF
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I used to be able to do it
[16:02] <BUGabundo> gnome 2.26  bug?
[16:03] <rconan> or "feature"
[16:03] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[16:03] <BUGabundo> exactly what I said to seb128
[16:03] <BUGabundo> rconan: please file a bug and sub me to it
[16:04] <BUGabundo> I'll make it move
[16:04] <ikonia> tomsdale: no the 2.6.27 patch should not be applied to a 2.6.28 kernel
[16:04] <ikonia> tomsdale: you need to check it's compatability
[16:05] <rconan> BUGabundo: just checking there isn't already one
[16:05] <BUGabundo> sure
[16:05] <nemo> BUGabundo: you know. I might. *checks*
[16:06] <BUGabundo> nemo could be that
[16:06] <BUGabundo> since now PPAs are PGP signed
[16:06] <BUGabundo> please pastebin your sources.list
[16:06] <BUGabundo> thanks
[16:07] <MTecknology> patch submitted with it - hopefully they'll commit this before yet another year passes
[16:07] <nemo> BUGabundo: http://m8y.org/tmp/sources.txt
[16:08] <BUGabundo> rconan: (04:07:27 PM) seb128: BUGabundo: yes, use alt+dnd
[16:08] <nemo> (with comments/blank lines removed)
[16:08] <BUGabundo> rconan: DON'T file that bug!
[16:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:08] <rconan> BUGabundo: oh... cool
[16:08] <rconan> now I can get panels on my secondary screens
[16:08] <BUGabundo> nemo: nothing strange about that
[16:08] <BUGabundo> can you please change to another mirror and try to reproduce
[16:08] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:08] <rconan> althought this looks ominous: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/271343
[16:09] <BUGabundo> mine always appear on the BIGGEST screen
[16:09] <BUGabundo> then I run compiz reload
[16:09] <BUGabundo> and have them on my laptop
[16:09] <nemo> BUGabundo: where's that? I've always used the defaults
[16:09] <nemo> just us.archive
[16:09] <nemo> to something else?
[16:09] <nemo> ca.archive ? :)
[16:10] <tomsdale> ikonia: Thanks! .. so I won't try that. How do I best proceed with the issue though to work towards a fix in jaunty in the near future? This is the dell business line - a non working touchpad/stick combo in Ubuntu would be really sad.
[16:10] <ikonia> tomsdale: I would hang on the initial release then submit the patch as a back port request
[16:11] <BUGabundo> nemo: System->admin->software sources
[16:11] <BUGabundo> Other...
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and choose a mirror close to you
[16:11] <BUGabundo> or let the Auto find the closest (not always true)
[16:11] <rconan> hmm... maximising windows goes underneath panels on secondary screens
[16:12] <nemo> BUGabundo: trying out the automatic. thanks.
[16:12] <nemo> will try to use my judgement on result - like, I don't even know why it is bothering with italy :)
[16:12] <tomsdale> ikonia: so in order to actually get a working patch I better get in contact with the original author and ask him whether he could write another fix for the 2.26.28 kernel series?
[16:13] <tomsdale> right now there is only a patch for 2.26.27.
[16:13] <ikonia> tomsdale: no, I'd submit the patch to the kernel team to let them evaluate it's compatability
[16:13] <FFEMTcJ> the beta is still on schedule for release tomorrow correct?
[16:13] <rconan> yeah but don't hold your breath
[16:13] <rconan> it could be any time tomorrow
[16:14] <darthanubis> I was wonder why no recent updates
[16:14] <darthanubis> wondering
[16:14] <FFEMTcJ> im at work tomorrow, so it doesnt really matter to me
[16:14] <rconan> don't wanna hear no "it's midnight where is it?" going on
[16:14] <Machtin> trying to give all users read-permission for a folder - i'm using dolphin to do so.. and chmod -R a+r /path/to/folder/ neither works? what's wrong with that?
[16:14] <darthanubis> it's beta time yea!
[16:14] <rconan> i've never used prebeta before
[16:14] <FFEMTcJ> leave for work tomorrow at 630am and will get home friday at about 10 am..
[16:14] <rconan> and probably wont again
[16:15] <tomsdale> ikonia: although it's for 2.26.27? I'm not the Author of the patch - I just want to get it fixed in ubuntu.
[16:15] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: beta freeze
[16:15] <darthanubis> cool
[16:15] <ikonia> tomsdale: I'd still submit it as is
[16:15] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: get the daily today, and rsync the diff tomorrow or Friday
[16:17] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: ehh.. just debating installing today or waiting till saturday
[16:17] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: get the daily today
[16:17] <BUGabundo> and instll
[16:17] <BUGabundo> updates will give you the same
[16:17] <FFEMTcJ> i kinda figured
[16:17] <FFEMTcJ> prolly wont be many changes anyway right?
[16:18] <nemo> will 2.6.29 make it in to jaunty? there were some neat features besides the new mascot :)
[16:18] <IntuitiveNipple> jaunty is 2.6.28
[16:19] <nemo> that's been settled eh.
[16:19] <IntuitiveNipple> It's not been in doubt
[16:19] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso  ?
[16:19] <nemo> well. I don't know these things
[16:20] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: not alternate
[16:20] <BUGabundo> get the livecd
[16:20] <BUGabundo> nemo: NO.. we will have .28
[16:20] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: [[]]
[16:20] <tomsdale> ok, thanks for your help ikonia
[16:20] <BUGabundo>  !cdimage
[16:20] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: i dont see a livecd in current
[16:20] <BUGabundo>  !dailies
[16:20] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[16:21] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: daily live
[16:21] <FFEMTcJ> ahh
[16:21] <void^_> hrm, gtk2-engines-pixbuf really is exceedingly slow :/
[16:22] <JediMaster> hey guys
[16:23] <JediMaster> For the last 2 weeks or so whenever I'm watching a video in various players (e.g. mplayer command line, vlc, xbmc etc) if I pause the video for more than a few seconds and resume it again the audio starts to badly distort, like static
[16:24] <JediMaster> even quitting the player quite often doesn't fix it
[16:24] <JediMaster> somtimes restarting X fixes it, but not always
[16:24] <JediMaster> didn't do it before about 2 weeks ago
[16:25] <JediMaster> I believe someone mentioned that it could be a problem with pulse audio before, but I can't find anything about this issue on the net
[16:25] <JediMaster> anyone got any suggestions?
[16:25] <nemo> I've had issues with sound dæmons that have sounded like that in the past
[16:25] <nemo> where, I had to increase buffer sizes
[16:25] <nemo> but. the pause thing, never had that problem
[16:25] <nemo> for me, it was always static
[16:26] <nemo> (until I increased buffers)
[16:26] <JediMaster> hmmm, just had it again but I stopped the player for 5 minutes and it's playing ok now
[16:26] <JediMaster> how do you increase the buffer?
[16:26] <JediMaster> is that in the pulse-audio config, or in the player's config?
[16:27] <nemo> don't remember. was years ago, and I don't even think was pulse audio - I was messing with esd at the time
[16:28] <bluefoxicy> shit hangs a lot during I/O
[16:28] <bluefoxicy> the disk just stops, CPU stops, and a program freezes for 2 minutes
[16:28] <JediMaster> what program?
[16:29] <nemo> BUGabundo, I switched to a specific mirror suggested by automatic - it ran through the whole update routine, which seemed to run successfully.
[16:29] <nemo> I logged out, logged back in
[16:29] <nemo> a minute later, "apt authentication issue" again
[16:30] <nemo> on the other hand, even though update manager seems to sweep through all the various repos without complaint, I've had no prompt for new packages
[16:30] <nemo> and, that's a bit unusual in jaunty.
[16:30] <nemo> meh. maybe the network here changed in some fashion - will try it again at home.
[16:30] <IntuitiveNipple> right now we're in beta freeze so don't be too surprised, treat it as a welcome break :)
[16:31] <nemo> oh. well. that part is normal then
[16:31] <nemo> perhaps unrelated to the popup
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I think I've only seen 4 today :)
[16:31] <nemo> oh. that's 4 more than I
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> but it does sound like you're experiencing some kind of network-caching issue
[16:31] <nemo> I'm noting down this command it is prompting me to run, to try it at a terminal
[16:31] <bluefoxicy> JediMaster:  THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
[16:31] <nemo> synaptic --non-interactive --update-at-startup --hide-main-window
[16:31] <bluefoxicy> JediMaster: EVERYTHING stops
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> could it be a transparent proxy goinv via squid?
[16:32] <bluefoxicy> JediMaster:  Firefox greys, Xchat greys, trying to open Gnome Terminal hangs
[16:32] <bluefoxicy> then after 2 minutes, the disk starts CRANKING like crazy, gnome terminal opens, Firefox and Xchat wake back up.
[16:33] <JediMaster> tested the disk?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> nemo we are on beta freeze
[16:33] <BUGabundo> no new packages until Friday
[16:33] <bluefoxicy> JediMaster:  it works fine under 8.10
[16:33] <nemo> oh
[16:33] <nemo> I have a failed on
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> nemo: The reports I see on that all refer to network proxy issues
[16:33] <nemo> jaunty-security/maultiverse Translation-en_US
[16:33] <nemo> perhaps that's what triggered the error
[16:33]  * JediMaster wonders if this audio bug is going to be in the release
[16:33] <JediMaster> it makes it almost unusable
[16:33] <nemo> everything else seems to update fine
[16:34] <nemo> s/maulti/multi/
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> JediMaster:  also, while this is happening, several programs tend to still work.  I navigated with Nautilus (which started cranking the disk running through my home directory) in the middle of this
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> after nautilus finished hammering the disk, the system went idle again
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> a little while later, the disk woke back up, and all the frozen programs started
[16:34] <BUGabundo> nemo: that trans is "normal"
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> that's distinctly odd.
[16:34] <nemo> ok :)
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> nemo: see that last couple of comments on this report: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061
[16:34] <BUGabundo> I've been getting that for EVER
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> top has indicated that 2-3 programs hang in "D" state
[16:34] <nemo> BUGabundo: I hadn't looked at the list recently :)
[16:34] <bluefoxicy> always the frozen programs
[16:36] <nemo> IntuitiveNipple: none of the comments seem to match my behaviour though - if I run apt-get update it seems to work fine
[16:36] <nemo> no GPG sig complaints
[16:36] <nemo> only this alert on startup
[16:36] <IntuitiveNipple> nemo: that alert stems from a bad signature
[16:36] <nemo> but. shouldn't I get that if I run apt-get update too?
[16:36] <nemo> I've had bad signature warnings before
[16:36] <Machtin> trying to give all users read-permission for a folder - i'm using dolphin to do so.. and chmod -R a+r /path/to/folder/ neither works? what's wrong with that?
[16:37] <nemo> (not recently, but a while ago)
[16:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Machtin: how does it not work? does it not apply the change to the files?
[16:38] <Shane_Fagan> Its a pulse audio problem as well as a kernel problem. It should be fixed soon
[16:38] <Machtin> IntuitiveNipple: indeed.. although it says it does
[16:39] <Shane_Fagan> Whoops was looking higher up the list
[16:39] <Machtin> however, might that be related to the fact that it's ntfs?
[16:41]  * bluefoxicy re-installs ubuntu-desktop
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Machtin: I think with ntfs, to translate unix to NTFS-ACLs you may need to play with the mount options
[16:41] <bluefoxicy> direct hardy -> jaunty upgrade isn't so hard :o
[16:41] <hggdh> what's the command-line equivalent for update-manager on a server?
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> apt-get upgrade
[16:41] <hggdh> to go from Intrepid into Jaunty
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> and apt-get dist-upgrade if there are kept-back packages
[16:41] <bluefoxicy> update/upgrade
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> do-releasse-upgrade
[16:41] <arp13> I'd say it's better to use aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> oops... typos
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> do-release-upgrade
[16:41] <hggdh> hah!
[16:41] <hggdh> thanks
[16:42] <bluefoxicy> hggdh:  ssh -XC user@yourserver -> sudo update-manager
[16:42] <hggdh> bluefoxicy, this will require X, and I do not have X on this machine
[16:42] <arp13> bluefoxicy, but what if he does not have X at serv?
[16:42] <hggdh> it is a real server
[16:42] <arp13> heh
[16:43] <arp13> :D
[16:43] <hggdh> do-release-upgrade -d is what I was looking for
[16:43] <Machtin> IntuitiveNipple: hm, kay
[16:43] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just installed jaunty server on a poweredge... then moved /var to it's own LVM lv, and got myself in a right mess with /var/run and /var/lock :)
[16:44] <BUGabundo> hggdh: didn't you know that?
[16:44] <bluefoxicy> or update-manager -d
[16:44] <bluefoxicy> hggdh:  no
[16:44] <bluefoxicy> hggdh:  your server doesn't need X
[16:44] <sebsebseb>
[16:45] <bluefoxicy> hggdh:  you ssh to it from another machine on your network, and run an X program, and it runs on YOUR machine
[16:45] <IntuitiveNipple> Here's a note to remember: if ever you move /var/* from the / file-system to another one, make sure to recreate the empty /var/run and /var/lock on the / file-system so varrun and varlock tmps's can be mounted during init whilst / f-s is still read-only.
[16:45] <bluefoxicy> firefox is awesome
[16:45] <genii> eg:  ssh -l name place -XC                      xterm appname &
[16:45] <bluefoxicy> close it, "Do you want to save your tabs?"  "Yes."
[16:46] <bluefoxicy> open firefox BLANK BROWSER.
[16:46] <BUGabundo> I'm playing with that right now.... but its to slow!
[16:46] <bluefoxicy> brb reboot
[16:46] <sebsebseb> so the beta is meant to be tommorow, but  I wonder if it realy will make a difference on my system or not.   Still  no shutdown or logout buttons in  the menu for me,  I  also  still have it saying  No Indicators on my top panel, even though someone suggested removing that.   Also jaunty is meant to have a new notfiication system?  That's the update system?  Well my update system is like 8.10.
[16:46] <BUGabundo> bluefoxx: no need for sudo in update-manager
[16:47] <IntuitiveNipple> The 'notification system' is notify-osd.
[16:47] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: right well what is it?
[16:48] <BUGabundo> bluefoxx: bash: -c: option requires an argument
[16:48] <IntuitiveNipple> update is still handled by update-manager, but it no longer uses the applet-icon by default - it uses notify-osd
[16:48] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: well for updates of packages I haven't noticed any difference
[16:48] <IntuitiveNipple> sebsebseb: Read the -devel mailing list, there's been tons of discussion about these things.
[16:49] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: well I would expect the beta to fix the issues that I mentioned
[16:49] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: no changes schedule for those bugs
[16:50] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: so people that cleanly install the beta, will also not get shut down and  log out in the menu?
[16:50] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: and maybe even have it saying No  Indicators on the top panel?
[16:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought that "no indicators" thing just meant we have to use hand signals and look in the mirror
[16:50] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[16:50] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: I have fusa
[16:50] <BUGabundo> doesn't beta have it too?
[16:50] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: what's fusa?
[16:50] <IntuitiveNipple> fast user switch applet
[16:51] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: yes I have that, but the whole point is,  before I also had shut down and log out in the "normal " menu
[16:51] <IntuitiveNipple> it replaced the previous applet for the shutdown/logout menu
[16:51] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: removing it from the "normal" menu is stupidity at it's highest, people don't want to use fusa
[16:51] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:52] <BUGabundo> fine by me
[16:52] <sebsebseb> fusa  can go f itself as far as I am concenred, it's just for now I have to use it.
[16:52] <BUGabundo> "Works For Me" TM
[16:52] <BUGabundo> bluefoxx: bash: -c: option requires an argument
[16:52] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/p/JSwNOO86.html
[16:52] <sebsebseb> well or add a shut down log out button to my panel.  or  use the terminal to shut down
[16:52] <bluefoxicy> The first thing I do after booting is run top.
[16:52] <bluefoxicy> As soon as I'm logged in.
[16:52] <bluefoxicy> inside gnome-terminal.
[16:52] <bluefoxicy> anyone see a problem?
[16:53] <sebsebseb> no shut down  and log out,  in applications, places, system,  really does stand out to me as the missing thing
[16:53] <sebsebseb> before there was  that, and fusa,  that's good to have both
[16:53] <bluefoxicy> sebsebseb: try log out vs shutdown in that menu
[16:53] <IntuitiveNipple> bluefoxicy: have you tried using iotop?
[16:53] <bluefoxicy> sebsebseb:  logout gives you 60 seconds to cancel
[16:53] <bluefoxicy> reboot IMMEDIATELY REBOOTS NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
[16:53] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: there is no log out in the "normal" menu anymore, and there must be,  or people will think Ubuntu is stupid
[16:53] <sebsebseb> and yes I know about the auto shut down stuff
[16:54] <sebsebseb> I  had that from the normal menu in  8.10, but everything in one thing
[16:54] <sebsebseb> trying to force people to use fusa is stupidity.   also people that are new to Ubuntu won't even notice/know what that green icon is for
[16:54] <amortvigil> lol everykey i touch for more than 2 sec wil restart x
[16:55] <sebsebseb> people that are new to  Ubuntu will know menus, because of Windows, and so will expect shutdown and log out,  in the  Applications  Places System menu
[16:56] <sebsebseb> and  then anyone who   had tried a previous release, and then were to use 9.04 and find out no shut down and log out buttons in the "normal" menus, will think WTF?
[16:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I've asked you before to control the language
[16:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: think about what we disscussed before speaking
[16:56] <sebsebseb> ikonia: heh sorry
[16:56] <ikonia> sebsebseb: I'm not laughing - you got a pretty clear warning
[16:57] <sebsebseb> ikonia: my bad,  yeah this channel same rules,   sometimes can forget
[16:57] <ikonia> no sweat
[16:57] <ikonia> eveyone slips up
[16:58] <sebsebseb> I  am  getting used to using fusa, but I would like  shutdown and  logout in the normal   Applicaitons Places System like before, as well
[16:59] <hggdh> arghhh!
[16:59] <IntuitiveNipple> sebsebseb: The whole point of the development cycle is to discuss try these things. It's no good coming in at the end of the cycle and expecting changes. You've got to be involved all the way along - and even then other views may prevail
[16:59] <hggdh> finally I got control back....
[16:59] <IntuitiveNipple> hggdh: ? fighting you was it?
[16:59] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: sure, but  I think I had it in alpha6
[16:59] <hggdh> bluefoxicy, to answer you: this server had no SSH access
[16:59] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: before some update that was pretty recant
[17:00] <IntuitiveNipple> sebsebseb: my point is, the plans for these changes were laid months ago
[17:00] <hggdh> BUGabundo, for you: I had forgotten -- I do not use to upgrade versions in servers that frequent ;-)
[17:00] <sebsebseb> IntuitiveNipple: also I expect it's not a feature that is difficult to program back in :)
[17:00] <bluefoxicy> hggdh:  ah ok
[17:00] <Ienorand> I am actually okay with fusa, at least at the moment... But what is annoying is that there is no simple way to EDIT the system menu! As long as it's possible to easily revert they can remove things as far as I'm conc.
[17:00] <amortvigil> what is fusa?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> amortvigil: Fast User something
[17:01] <hggdh> IntuitiveNipple, lessons learned: it is not a Good Idea (TM) to run an upgrade on a VirtualBox image while running X. At least on VBox 2.1.4,, Linux 2.6.29, and Jaunty
[17:01] <Ienorand> ...switching applet
[17:01] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: prob is you can't reach it with keyboard
[17:01] <sebsebseb> if 9.04 isn't good enough,   I might even go back to Hardy  or  distro change.   all releases of Ubuntu have been so similar since Gutsy.   sure they improve, but nothing major
[17:02] <hggdh> so while I was upgrading the server, I decided to also upgrade an Intrepid image on my laptop... and the image grabbed control of my keyboard, and would not release it anyway
[17:02] <IntuitiveNipple> hggdh: eeeek!
[17:02] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: True... although Ctrl-alt-del does exist still....
[17:03] <hggdh> yay... 20 minutes locked out
[17:03] <sebsebseb> the fast user  switcher is a bit silly, for one user systems also
[17:04] <hggdh> sebsebseb, not really. I use it to test things on a clean account
[17:04] <sebsebseb> I guess there must be some way for  users, to  be able to add shut down and  logout  back into the normal  aplications places system menu?
[17:05] <Ienorand> sebsebseb: SInce it's meant to incorporate things like IM status it does make some sense...
[17:05] <sebsebseb> well not everyone is even going to be using Pidgin  in Ubuntu
[17:06] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: thanks for the reminder! forgot about that
[17:06] <tgpraveen> hi ppl
[17:06] <IntuitiveNipple> FUA works with xchat too.
[17:06] <sebsebseb> Xchat heh
[17:06] <sebsebseb> I would rather use Konversation any day :)
[17:06] <tgpraveen> i am irritated b the 60 sec timeout that comes in jaunty when i click shutdown or restart
[17:06] <BUGabundo> hggdh: I heard about that bug a while ago
[17:07] <BUGabundo> it was fixed with some X iteration
[17:07] <IntuitiveNipple> well that or it puts the IM operations on the menu when no 'regular' IM client is active
[17:07] <BUGabundo> did it reappear?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> what is the VM?
[17:07] <tgpraveen> i think that it is very annoyiny and is a step backwardf in terms of usability is there a bug on that?
[17:07] <tgpraveen> what do u ppl say? also is there a way to turn it off?
[17:07] <thewrath> where can i post ifnormation on the forums related to januty?
[17:08] <IntuitiveNipple> si ti dlibertae msis sepillnig day?
[17:08] <thewrath> sorry IntuitiveNipple
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> thewrath: you we'ren't the first... there was a string of them... seemed like good timing
[17:09] <thewrath> lol
[17:09] <thewrath> i have an issue on jaunty but it deals with a wifi card
[17:10] <thewrath> can i post that in here or on the forums under the jaunty area
[17:10] <IntuitiveNipple> you won't be alone then, we're attacking several 'bugettes' in that area
[17:10] <sebsebseb> well if your on 9.o4
[17:10] <sebsebseb> this is the place
[17:10] <sebsebseb> thewrath: ,but 8.10 gets wifi issues
[17:10] <IntuitiveNipple> If it's a bug, open a bug report
[17:11] <sebsebseb> thewrath: depending on your issue, you could pretend your on still on 8.10 and get suppourted in #ubuntu I expect :d
[17:11] <thewrath> lol
[17:12] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907
[17:12] <thewrath> i dont feel comfortable doing the update and the patch
[17:12] <thewrath> myself
[17:12] <thewrath> from broadcom
[17:12] <thewrath> and could use some help when i am doing that
[17:12] <thewrath> bc i was running into an issue with that before
[17:13] <hggdh> BUGabundo, good to know, will look around
[17:14] <shaya> anyone here know how multi monitor support works in jaunty?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Pici: oh just a kick,  ok  i'll take that as a serious warning
[17:14] <shaya> is it using xinerama?
[17:14] <shaya> I have multi monitor working
[17:14] <shaya> but not working w/ wine
[17:14] <rconan> shaya: how did you get it working?
[17:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I use multiple X screens
[17:14] <shaya> display applet
[17:14] <rconan> eh?
[17:15] <shaya> able to use openoffice multi monitor support just fine
[17:15] <shaya> but can't powerpoint in wine doesnt' see it
[17:15] <thewrath> i need to get that working on mine as well (multi monitor)
[17:15] <rconan> shaya: what does that actually do?
[17:15] <rconan> I haven't looked
[17:15] <shaya> display applet?
[17:16] <shaya> lets you configure your displays
[17:16] <IntuitiveNipple> only if video chipset and the monitors all support DDC and EDID
[17:17] <IntuitiveNipple> nvidia don't play nicely with that currently - have to use nvidia-settings
[17:17] <shaya> I'm using the OSS radeon driver
[17:17] <shaya> (esp as no fglrx in jaunty as of now)
[17:17] <shaya> so it works fine
[17:17] <shaya> though have to clock it back from 4x agp to 2x to ensure it doesnt hang on me
[17:17] <shaya> though that issue is now in its git repository
[17:20] <BUGabundo> hggdh: what is the VM?
[17:21] <Ienorand> How do I manually download similar to "apt-get source net-tools", for example in windows? I'm assuming something should be fetched from http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/net-tools but which file?
[17:22] <Pici> Ienorand: Use packages.ubuntu.com, i.e: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/net-tools
[17:23] <hggdh> BUGabundo, VirtualBox 2.1.4
[17:23] <Ienorand> Pici: And which particular is the source, there only seems to be an "original" and "diff"...
[17:24] <Pici> Ienorand: Apply the diff to the original.
[17:25] <Ienorand> Pici: Okies, cheers
[17:29] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: you can also donwload them from LP
[17:32] <SandGorgon> guys.. any alternative pdf viewer - I need to copy huge amounts of text and document-viewer is having trouble separating left and right hand columns ..
[17:34] <thewrath> is there a person in here that ic an talk to in like 20 or so minutes to help me with updating a driver, etc
[17:34] <void^_> SandGorgon: try pdftotext
[17:37] <ikonia> !away > Delvien
[17:38] <thewrath> ubottu: u goign ot be aroudn?
[17:38] <thewrath> clear
[17:39] <SandGorgon> void^_, : thanks.. not the best... but worked well enough for me
[17:40] <Ienorand> Okay, got the diff file and the net-tools-1.60 folder... What parameters do I use with patch command to apply it to a folder? Just use folder path as original file path?
[17:43] <Ienorand> This is what I'm trying (and failing to do) http://www.mibbit.com/pb/TR8gRa
[17:48] <void^_> maybe something like cd net-tools-1.60 && patch --dry-run -p1 -i ../net-tools_1.60-21ubuntu1.diff
[17:50] <linkinx64> hello!! where can i see my brightness settings for my webcam?
[17:50] <linkinx64> is dang dark
[17:50] <Drknezz> Hey
[17:50] <linkinx64> hello!
[17:50] <Drknezz> Any chance Nix PM gets into Jaunty?
[17:53] <Ienorand> void^_: Cheers, seemed to work, didn't realise stdout would be current folder...
[17:53] <vbgunz> how can i check stuff like my writeback and elevator?
[17:54] <Pici> Drknezz: If its not there by now, then its very unlikely it will get in this release.
[17:54] <Pici> Drknezz: Do you know if there was a bug filed to have it included?
[17:55] <Drknezz> Pici, not a bug report, but, it would be nice anyways
[17:55] <Drknezz> Nix seems to be nice
[17:55] <Drknezz> It would be really cool to fix dependency issues
[17:56] <Pici> Drknezz: Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for getting new packages included in Ubuntu
[17:56] <Drknezz> Never knew 'bout that
[18:02] <bromic94> hey what happens if i have a kernal panic during recovery mode as well somethign wtih input/output error
[18:05] <thewrath> ?
[18:16] <calc> wow linus called ted out about the ext3/ext4 fs crap
[18:16] <calc> nice linkage on /.
[18:16] <calc> "Whoever came up with that solution was a
[18:16] <calc> moron. No ifs, buts, or maybes about it.
[18:19] <thewrath> is jaunty still on for a release of April 23?
[18:19] <calc> thewrath: yes ubuntu generally doesn't slip, the only release that i know of that did was dapper (the first lts)
[18:20] <Machtin> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FinalFreeze i like point #4
[18:20] <thewrath> calc: why was that
[18:21] <thewrath> brb
[18:25] <dennda> Anybody able to install and start mpd?
[18:25] <dennda> It always says the port is already in use (independent of the port I choose)
[18:28] <Pici> dennda: Is the port you are choosing above 1024?
[18:30] <dennda> Pici: Yes, even the default port already is.
[18:30] <dennda> 6600 is default, I tried 6666 and 66664 as well
[18:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all, how it comes that synonims in openoffice are disabled in jaunty even though I have all the thesaurus-alike modules enabled?
[18:33] <dennda> Pici: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075843 Second posting helped
[18:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah no I don't have those
[18:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehmm
[18:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us installed
[18:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but thesaurus is disabled in ooo
[18:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sh**!!
[18:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> (sorry) apt installs openoffice-org-thesaurus-en-us in place of -gb
[18:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and then if I use the en-gb language in openoffice, it won't do thesaurus
[18:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I want en-gb spellchecking...
[18:38] <DanaG> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1104493
[18:38] <DanaG> I have the same issue.
[18:41] <Stormx2> Beta tomorrow, right? What sort of time will be be out? evening GMT ish, or is it hard to say?
[18:44] <rww> Stormx2: It's very hard to say.
[18:44] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: hmm? looking at scrollback now
[18:44] <rww> Stormx2: if you just grab an alpha 6 disc now and update it, you'll have pretty much the same thing, though (although I guess that's not useful if you want to do installer testing)
[18:45] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: you must have the thesaurus for the language/locale you are using
[18:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> calc: I actually discovered that en-us spellchecker seems to accept also -gb variants but... I have thesaurus disabled also when setting the document language to en-us!!
[18:45] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: so for en-gb you need the en-gb one
[18:45] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: hmm, let me look at my system to see if it works here
[18:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> calc: not only, but I actually would like -us variants of words to be underlined in red as I am italian and need to write in -gb :)
[18:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> by the way: how it comes that tab-completion on apt now lists also installed packages?
[18:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean on apt-get iinstall
[18:47] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: huh?
[18:47] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: apt-get doesn't list already installed packages except in the autoremove section
[18:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> calc: perhaps my .bashrc is screwed
[18:48] <calc> oh hmm you said tab completion, i'll check that in a minute
[18:48] <calc> updating my jaunty atm
[18:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> did you see if your thesaurus work?
[18:48] <calc> i didn't have it installed at all on my desktop, my laptop is in the process of being reinstalled
[18:48] <calc> so i had to upgrade and install the thesaurus
[18:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[18:49] <calc> i think my new laptop hard drive is about to die or something else weird :\
[18:50] <calc> BUGabundo: hi
[18:50] <BUGabundo> hey calc
[18:50] <DanaG> calc: make sure to make backups.
[18:50] <calc> BUGabundo: my laptop hd started acting up so i can't do email atm :\
[18:51] <calc> DanaG: backing it all up now actually
[18:51] <calc> DanaG: it remounted r/o earlier so i rebooted and backing it all up now
[18:51] <danbeck> Got my Mini9
[18:51] <danbeck> Ready for Jaunty
[18:51] <calc> then i will be doing a security erase enhanced and full smart test on the drive
[18:51] <BUGabundo> eheh calc np
[18:51] <calc> wow the upgrade for my desktop is taking a long time
[18:52] <calc> BUGabundo: did you get your $HOME/.gvfs working?
[18:52] <BUGabundo> calc yes
[18:52] <BUGabundo> and closed the bug
[18:52] <calc> BUGabundo: ok
[18:52] <BUGabundo> needed gvfs-fuse
[18:52] <calc> yea
[18:52] <BUGabundo> not instaled for some stupid reason
[18:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys can some of you check if your thesaurus (ctrl+f7) is working in openoffice?
[18:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have to leave and don't have internet connection at home :)
[18:52] <calc> BUGabundo: can you check quick? ^ i'm still upgrading mine
[18:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> at least I want to know
[18:53]  * BUGabundo gnome-do: word ENTER
[18:53] <calc> upgrading 200 packages takes a while :\
[18:53] <BUGabundo> ctrl f7 will do nothing
[18:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> It is working
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the problem was that openoffice had set the language to en-us for every paragraph
[18:54] <BUGabundo> humm I haven't nothing instaled for it
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry to en-gb
[18:54] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:54] <calc> Le-Chuck_ITA: ah ok
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I had to select the text and change the language for the paragraph :)
[18:54] <calc> yea you can set languages on just about everything in OOo for multilanguage support :\
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> calc: that does not change the problem of not having an en-gb thesaurus
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but at least I have something... will try to avoid to look for "lift" into it :)
[18:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks all and bye
[18:55] <calc> there might be one on the extensions website
[18:56] <calc> there is a link to the site in the tools->extension manager
[18:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok thanks
[19:00]  * BUGabundo hates SiS based Laptops
[19:00] <maco> BUGabundo: you get that link i sent you?
[19:00]  * calc hates SiS... period
[19:00] <BUGabundo> maco I did! didn't get it dough
[19:00] <calc> but probably not as much as i hate nvidia ;-)
[19:01] <maco> huh?
[19:01] <BUGabundo> calc: we have lots of them in PT.... need to debug network
[19:01] <BUGabundo> maco: where did that come from? did i do something  I shouldn't?
[19:01] <FFEMTcJ> is there any reason not to run /home on ext4
[19:02] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: do you have *stable* hw?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> does it crash a lot?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't you are safe
[19:02] <FFEMTcJ> hasnt crashed at all
[19:02] <BUGabundo> if not, then you could have some data loss, when power fails, due to bigger time slots
[19:02] <BUGabundo> to dump to disk
[19:02] <calc> i would avoid ext4 until at least linux 2.6.30
[19:02] <calc> but then i like my data
[19:03] <calc> they fixed a lot of major issues in 2.6.29 so i would give it at least one kernel release where they aren't fixing major ext4 issues before i personally would use it
[19:04] <FFEMTcJ> calc: what about for / and have /home ext3
[19:04] <calc> there is some discussion of potentially making it default for 9.10
[19:04] <void^_> i'm testing ext4 on /
[19:04] <calc> FFEMTcJ: its up to you, i'm staying far away, i've had data eaten by not well enough tested FS before
[19:04] <fosco__> i have ext4 in / and /home with no fails at all
[19:04] <void^_> there's nothing important on / after all so i need not worry about losing data
[19:04] <calc> fedora 11 is going to default to ext4 afaik so most bugs should be shaken out by 2.6.30/31 i think
[19:04] <BUGabundo> I have / as ext3 /home as XFS
[19:05] <calc> BUGabundo: XFS was what ate my system the last time, but that was several years ago before they fixed the "big bug" :-\
[19:05] <Hexenkind> does anybody know wheather x-server is stable by using native nvidia drivers?
[19:06] <calc> Hexenkind: "nv" or the binary only "nvidia"?
[19:06] <void^_> xfs is pretty reliable nowadays, i often use it for / and some data partitions that get a lot of usage
[19:06] <calc> Hexenkind: i think nv works pretty much, the binary only ones are crap imho
[19:06] <DanaG> actually, nv is what is crap.
[19:06] <DanaG> The quality of the binaries depends on what hardware you have.
[19:06] <calc> DanaG: at least it doesn't crash your system or not display OOo
[19:07] <calc> nvidia binary driver has always been crap... and is mentioned specifically in the ext4 thread that was on /. today
[19:07] <DanaG> On my spare old NV17-based laptop, it crashes Xorg.
[19:07] <Hexenkind> i mean the nvidia binary
[19:07] <DanaG> Previous versions had entirely missing text.
[19:07] <calc> DanaG: i'm still getting bug reports on OOo about the missing text problem
[19:07] <DanaG> Correction: garbled (as in somebody taking a pen and scribbling all over it), or missing.
[19:08] <DanaG> Happened with Wine, too.  Also happened with ALL apps if I had entirely disabled font antialiasing of any sort.
[19:08] <DanaG> Yeah, nvidia binary sucks rather horribly for old hardware.
[19:09] <BUGabundo> calc: aren't those nvidia bug?
[19:09] <calc> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/227 <- that is specifically talking about Ubuntu installing 'nvidia'
[19:09] <calc> BUGabundo: yes my point being 'nv' is much better than using the crap that is 'nvidia'
[19:09] <BUGabundo> I need to place a compiz Fire dot so I can use OOo and Kmail
[19:09] <BUGabundo> I can't run compiz extra on NV
[19:09] <calc> 'nvidia' has always been extremely buggy
[19:09] <BUGabundo> can't use multimonitor with NV
[19:09] <Machtin> does 9.04 contain ext4?
[19:10] <calc> we can't even forward bug reports to Nvidia the company because they put a hard limit on how many reports they will allow
[19:10] <rww> Machtin: yes.
[19:10] <Machtin> kk
[19:10] <BUGabundo> Machtin: Jaunty supports ext4
[19:10]  * calc was reading through some of the nvidia bug reports yesterday and found out that bit of information
[19:10] <BUGabundo> can't contain it!! ext* is a FileSystem
[19:11] <BUGabundo> calc: are you kidding me? they limit it?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[19:11] <Hexenkind> hmm ive got a dell xps m1330. it should work yet
[19:11] <calc> BUGabundo: stop abusing non-native speakers ;-P
[19:11] <calc> BUGabundo: yea
[19:11] <BUGabundo> calc: I'm non-native
[19:11] <calc> BUGabundo: i don't know what the limit is but they definitely refuse to accept over a relatively small number of bug reports
[19:11] <calc> BUGabundo: ok :)
[19:11] <BUGabundo> never been to a English speaking country either
[19:12] <DanaG> Hah, with that NV17 (gotta' love that advertising a geforce2 as being newer than a geforce3!)
[19:12] <DanaG> .... I can't even use Xorg at all!
[19:12] <Machtin> sorry for sloppy message.. what i meant: when i install 9.04 from cd.. will i be able to choose ext4 as filesystem to format with, BUGabundo?
[19:12] <DanaG> Log in..... hang if compiz is enabled.
[19:12] <DanaG> If Compiz is not enabled................ Xorg segfaults.
[19:12] <rww> Machtin: yes, you will
[19:12] <DanaG> Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks, nvidia!
[19:12] <Machtin> wonderful :)
[19:12] <calc> Machtin: i am pretty sure you can select it in the options for formatting if you do manual format mode
[19:13]  * rww did it the other day
[19:13] <BUGabundo> Machtin: you have to do a manual partition schema
[19:13] <BUGabundo> but yes, you can choose Ext4
[19:13] <Machtin> is there any reason not to?
[19:13] <BUGabundo> ext3 is default
[19:13] <calc> i am using ext4 on one of my systems but will be reformatting it to ext3 when jaunty comes out to be safe
[19:14] <calc> been to busy updating OOo to take the time to reinstall that one
[19:14] <calc> Machtin: ext4 is not actually stable yet, despite what sites claim
[19:14] <DanaG> It's especially amusing if you use auto-login.
[19:14] <Machtin> i see.
[19:14] <DanaG> Auto-login.  Crash.  Auto-login.  Crash.  Auto-login.  Crash.  Auto-login.  Crash.  Auto-login.  Crash.
[19:14] <rww> Machtin: It's not supported as well as ext3, and had some teething problems. I'd recommend using ext3 unless you have a good reason not to.
[19:14] <calc> Machtin: tytso thinks its stable and got flamed yesterday on linux kernel mailing list about how it works
[19:14] <Machtin> harr, i see.
[19:15] <Machtin> okay then.. hm.
[19:15] <calc> Machtin: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/25/020207 <- if you read through the thread you will see where Linus calls tytso (ext4 author) a moron
[19:15] <BUGabundo> calc let me disagree... ext4 is stable
[19:15] <calc> Machtin: the thread referenced to by /. not the /. thread itself
[19:16] <BUGabundo> it just changes what we are used too
[19:16] <BUGabundo> and how many apps are expecting FS to do
[19:16] <calc> BUGabundo: in a way that is not sane, which was what the previous Ubuntu bug report was about, it appears Linus finally heard about it too
[19:16] <Machtin> *will read*
[19:16] <calc> BUGabundo: filesystem should not write metadata and free old location before writing new data
[19:17] <calc> BUGabundo: which is what the entire problem boils down to and is why linus called tytso a moron
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hihih
[19:17] <calc> BUGabundo: yes fsck will complete fast but then you have no ability to determine if the data on said fs is consistent
[19:17] <calc> just that the fs thinks it is
[19:18] <Machtin> well.. okay, i'll keep ext3 then i guess.
[19:18] <calc> Machtin: it should be sorted out in the next few months i imagine
[19:18] <calc> Machtin: probably by the time Ubuntu 9.10 comes out anyway
[19:19] <calc> BUGabundo: he patched up 2.6.29 to make it work (aiui) but that added potential deadlocks as well from what i read on lkml a few weeks ago
[19:19] <Machtin> calc: kk
[19:19] <calc> BUGabundo: which wasn't really a good fix, heh
[19:19] <Machtin> but i guess i need to reformat then.. actually.. i'm pretty sure.
[19:19]  * calc doesn't know what the current state of that workaround patch is now though
[19:26] <BUGabundo> guys see you tomorrow
[19:36] <gsuveg> jaunty netbook remix wokrs on my acer one :)
[19:36] <gsuveg> im happy
[19:42] <rom> hi
[19:42] <rom> Since the last upgrade, I have many segfault
[19:43] <rom> sudo apt-get update : segfault
[19:43] <rom> ccsm : segfault
[19:43] <rom> (core dumped)
[19:43] <dan457> well, beta tomorrow.  ;-)
[19:43] <gsuveg> rom, what version have u ?
[19:43] <rom> alpha 6
[19:44] <FFEMTcJ> I thought that exchange was supposed to work on 9.04
[19:44] <FFEMTcJ> with evolution
[19:44] <gsuveg> rom, i have a6 too, and now i make upgrade :/
[19:44] <gsuveg> let me see, what happend
[19:45] <gsuveg> we hope no segfault ;)
[19:46] <FFEMTcJ> is the daily using gnome 2.26?
[19:46] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: I'm not using netbook remix, but I am running Jaunty on my AA1.  Working really well now.
[19:47] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: automatic recognition of WiFi would be good.  that's the only issue I had.  but it works well once properly configured.  and GSM modem support is fantastic.
[19:47] <gsuveg> PhotoJim, i like now remox :)
[19:47] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: I'm tempted to try it, but I know the standard interface well. :)
[19:47] <gsuveg> yes, u have rightt
[19:48] <gsuveg> in big i have the standard - only background changed
[19:48] <gsuveg> in netbook i try now the remix
[19:48] <gsuveg> PhotoJim, wifi works after blacklist
[19:48] <gsuveg> and with upgrade i install now the backport modules i hope its better
[19:49] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: yup, that's what I did to get it working.
[19:49] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: but Jaunty is the first Ubuntu I've used that automatically recognized my GSM modem, which really impressed me.  Took me under a minute to get it configured.
[19:49] <gsuveg> un intrepid ive used special kernel and soso
[19:50] <gsuveg> PhotoJim, great, what modem have u ?
[19:50] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: Novatel Ovation MC950D.  Quad-band GSM/EDGE, HSDPA/HSUPA 850/1900/2100.
[19:51] <gsuveg> ah u are ein .ca
[19:51] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: it mounts as a flash drive when you first connect it (has the Windows drivers).  Eject the "CD"... and it mounts as a GSM modem.
[19:51] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: yup, but this modem is used in Europe too.  doesn't do 3G @ 900 MHz, but it does at 2100.
[19:52] <gsuveg> i have yet
[19:52] <gsuveg> but i think to buy one
[19:52] <gsuveg> with a prepaid card
[19:52] <PhotoJim> I highly recommend the MC950D with Linux.
[19:52] <gsuveg> i test it before buy :)
[19:52] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure the usb-serial driver is up to 7.2 Mbps yet, but other than that, it's great.
[19:52] <PhotoJim> Good plan.
[19:53] <gsuveg> here is a huawei e160 what can i buy
[19:54] <gsuveg> but now not important, i have a few month time
[19:54] <PhotoJim> the E160 is good, it only goes up to 3.6Mbps but it supports the same bands (2G and 3G) as mine does.
[19:55] <gsuveg> ist only 80eur with card
[19:55] <gsuveg> prepaid
[19:56] <PhotoJim> that seems reasonable.
[19:56] <PhotoJim> I paid $99 Cdn for my MC950D, but 1-year contract.
[19:57] <gsuveg> yes. ive see other thwat 60 eur, and old one modem
[19:58] <gsuveg> 1 Gig / 20 eur
[19:59] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: sounds like a good one to me.
[19:59] <gsuveg> how many u need to pay for 1Gig ?
[19:59] <PhotoJim> gsuveg: my data plan is variable rate.  $20 Cdn for 512MB, but it goes up as I use more data.  1 gig is $30.  5 gigs for $75.  10 gigs for $100.
[19:59] <PhotoJim> $1 Cdn ~= 0.60 EUR
[20:00] <Pici> !ot
[20:00] <gsuveg> Pici, sry.
[20:00] <PhotoJim> Pici: np, channel was silent so I didn't think it would be a problem.
[20:05] <rconan> aynone else experienced bugs with maximising going behind gnome-panel
[20:05] <rconan> I think they might be xinerama related
[20:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, are there prepaid data plans for the USA?
[20:07] <DanaG> If I wanted an internal data card, it'd have to be the Qualcomm Gobi, because that's the only one HP offers for my laptop.
[20:10] <PhotoJim> DanaG: I replied by PM.
[20:14] <rom> all my apps segfault :(
[20:15] <calc> DanaG: in the US unlimited is ~ $60 and by unlimited they mean they will cancel your account if you go over 5GB/month
[20:15] <DanaG> yeah, expensive.
[20:15] <calc> DanaG: and you can't really get over 5GB for any price aiui
[20:15] <DanaG> Not worth the price, if both places I go (home and school) already have wifi.  =þ
[20:16] <calc> since they already claim that is 'unlimited' which it very much is not :-\
[20:17] <PhotoJim> maybe we should start ubuntu-gsm :)
[20:17] <PhotoJim> #ubuntu-gsm that is
[20:17] <calc> oh wow, i uh screwed up
[20:18] <calc> i pulled my cdrom drive which i was booted off of out of my laptop and stuck a hard drive in place of it and did a security-erase, i was wondering why the system was acting weirdly
[20:19] <calc> apparently enough of the system is cached that the erase is working
[20:19] <calc> it appears thinkpads freezes the drives it sees on boot so i had to use the ultrabay
[20:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, handy thing to install: scsiadd.
[20:21] <DanaG> It'll let you rescan scsi buses.
[20:22] <o0Chris0o> beta is out tomorrow right?
[20:22] <fosco_> yes
[20:23] <DanaG> I can also have a secondary hard drive in my laptop:  http://www.google.com/products?q=ak868ut&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf
[20:23] <o0Chris0o> fosco_: thanks
[20:23] <DanaG> Too bad HP charges soooo much for it.. and won't sell it without a drive already in it.
[20:23] <josh-l> yellow
[20:29] <LordKow> beta is technically already out if you have the latest updates from the repos, since beta freeze is in effect ;)
[20:32] <LordKow> so -rfakeroot should not be needed in dpkg-buildpackage if you intend on using fakeroot and fakeroot is already installed?
[20:32] <LordKow> the manpage for dpkg-buildpackage is leading me to believe that.
[20:38] <cwillu> LordKow, that's not really what that means
[20:39] <cwillu> major versions, (re: betafreeze"
[20:43] <LordKow> cwillu, my point is all but extremely important fixes before beta release.
[20:43] <LordKow> there shouldn't be any new major versions as of a while ago now.
[20:50] <o0Chris0o> how do I enable the cube so it looks like a box and I can rotate it any direction?
[20:50] <fosco_> ccsm
[20:50] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[20:50] <o0Chris0o> I know
[20:50] <fosco_> so?
[20:50] <o0Chris0o> not asking what program to use :)
[20:51] <o0Chris0o> asking how to get it working correctly
[20:52] <cwi> Any idea what could cause brightness changes to no longer be displayed in a notification, but volume still does?
[20:53] <hil> o0Chris0o: set workspaces to 4 and activate it.
[20:54] <o0Chris0o> ok
[20:54] <cwillu> LordKow, so you're willing to discount the effects of extremely important fixes by saying that a beta-freeze version is technically the same as the beta-release version?
[20:55] <cwillu> LordKow, in that case, why don't we just take the feature freeze and release ubuntu 9.04 3 months early? :p
[20:55] <o0Chris0o> hil still not working correctly, its just a straight line of 4 desktops
[20:55] <LordKow> cwillu, im looking at it from the amount of code change.
[20:56] <cwillu> LordKow, and I'm saying that amount of code change completely ignores the relative importance of those code changes
[20:56] <o0Chris0o> hil: nvm I had to enable Cube Reflection and Deformation :)
[20:58] <hil> o0Chris0o: there are 2 settings in ccsm ... desktop cube and rotate cube. need both. works also without reflections ;)
[20:58] <o0Chris0o> hil: what setting is it to make it more father way
[20:59] <o0Chris0o> awa*
[20:59] <hil> o0Chris0o: 'zoom' in rotate cube settings
[21:02] <rohdef> is there an ppa or something like it for Suns Java 6 u13?
[21:02] <cwi> Figured it out. Custom Icon theme trying to inherit "human" instead of "Human". notify-osd didn't pick up the theme change until the next session, so I didn't see immediate failure.
[21:03] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[21:05] <o0Chris0o> hil: its not zooming out for some reason
[21:06] <hil> o0Chris0o: does only when using ctrl-alt+mouse
[21:06] <o0Chris0o> yeah, its not tho
[21:07] <Xisdibik> Anyone know if the sound crackling is a driver problem for alsa/pulse or if its something deeper than that?
[21:07] <dan457> pulse with newer hdaudio
[21:07] <o0Chris0o> Xisdibik: its a problem with the kernel in jaunty jon #alsa and speak to dtchen :D
[21:08] <Xisdibik> :D ok thanks
[21:08] <o0Chris0o> np
[21:09] <Xisdibik> o0Chris0o, also, occasoinally i get graphical funkies on the screen, like text in Skype gets mashed into lines, and wont go away if u minimize/maximize, but if u scroll up and then scroll back down, it solves it :)
[21:09] <Xisdibik> u heard of that or experianced it at all?
[21:15] <dtchen> Xisdibik: it's a kernel issue
[21:15] <dtchen> i have test kernels uploaded, but you may want to wait for me to upload my next set
[21:15] <Xisdibik> dtchen: ah ok, do you know wheen that might be? :)
[21:16] <dtchen> probably an hour
[21:16] <Xisdibik> ah ok
[21:16] <Xisdibik> ill be gone by then, but i  can get it later tonight/tomorrow
[21:17] <Machtin> hm.. I have two interfaces: wlan0 and eth0, eth0 works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't - i think that's related to dlan, which i think is a bit broken.. wlan0 therefore is really screwed.. i use an AVM wlan-stick and sometimes i boot and the interface is there and sometimes it's not.
[21:17] <Machtin> why is that?
[21:17] <Machtin> btw. sometimes the interface is there, but iwlist scan (as root.. or with sudo) doesn't show any networks.. and they _are_ in range.
[21:18] <holzmodem> hi, I use Jaunty with an ATI 9700m and the Xorg driver. My problem is, the system freezes 1-2 times randomly, so i have to reset hard my system. I switched from XXA to EXA but it didn't help...  what could be wrong?
[21:18] <Machtin> by "the interface is there" i mean ifconfig -a lists wlan0.. and i can see it at that icon next to my clock
[21:19] <superdump> hello
[21:19] <Machtin> hi
[21:19] <superdump> i've just installed the base system using the intrepid mini iso and i want to upgrade to jaunty
[21:20] <superdump> the do-release-upgrade method isn't working
[21:20] <superdump> it says no new releases found
[21:20] <superdump> and Prompt=normal is set
[21:20] <Machtin> uhm, jaunty is not released.. shouldn't upgrade therefore, should it?
[21:23] <hggdh> Machtin, you can upgrade, with the caveat that this is alpha going to beta. Also, read the title of this channel
[21:23] <dan457> hmm, alt-f2 update-manager -d
[21:24] <dan457> use at your own risk.. lol
[21:24] <dan457> still, i'd wait till tonight or tomorow so you get beta lvl
[21:25] <Machtin> hggdh: if you mean the topic: do you want to say i shouldn't ask for help with my network, since i'm using alpha?
[21:25] <hggdh> Machtin, no, you can ask. The point is things can get broken. OTH, the experience of us running alpha helps point to issues
[21:26] <dan457> since beta is almost out, i'd wait for it and try a fresh install...
[21:26] <Machtin> wonderful :) on this computer i'm not using the alpha.. but the new one 'required' it
[21:26] <hggdh> heh.
[21:26] <Machtin> do you maybe have a clue about that wlan0-thing?
[21:27] <hggdh> I do not know what is the AVM, so I cannot really help. You do say it is a stick, so probably it is USB
[21:27] <dan457> Not me.  all the computers i've been testing lan works good... even a moble broadband device for sprint
[21:28] <Machtin> it is usb, yup.. and it's installed via ndiswrapper.
[21:28] <hggdh> so start with it unplugged; then run 'lsusb', and save the output; then plug it in, wait a few seconds, and run another 'lsusb';
[21:28] <hggdh> ah
[21:28] <Machtin> at this point my dad's using it without problems..
[21:29] <hggdh> which ndiswrapper are you using? Ubuntu's, or the upstream?
[21:29] <Machtin> ubuntu's
[21:31] <hggdh> Check upstream version -- http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/; also read their mailing list, perhaps someone else has the same hardware
[21:32] <hggdh> I stopped using ndiswrapper sometime ago (when b43 got to be stable(r)), so I stopped worrying about it, sorry
[21:32] <sianis> asac: please review this bug #331794
[21:32] <Machtin> no need to apologize :)
[21:32] <superdump> hello again
[21:32] <Machtin> thanks! i'll check that
[21:32] <superdump> sorry, my connection timed out
[21:32] <hggdh> welcome
[21:32] <dan457> might want to check to see if a newer kernel supports your device.  you might not need the wrapper anymore.
[21:32] <superdump> did anyone add anything more?
[21:33] <superdump> i said that i thought there should be some Prompt=next or something to allow upgrading to an as-yet unreleased version
[21:34] <dan457> superdump, have you tried alt-f2 update-manager -d
[21:34] <superdump> i haven't installed ubuntu-desktop yet
[21:35] <dan457> ok, nvm then
[21:35] <superdump> i wanted to upgrade to jaunty, then install ubuntu-desktop
[21:35]  * DanaG has switched back to the old notification daemon.
[21:35] <DanaG> Aaah, it's so nice not having (all those issues I've already griped about).
[21:39] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: cool, your doing a new set :D
[21:41] <Xisdibik> ah your back o0Chris0o ;)
[21:41] <o0Chris0o> yeah :)
[21:56] <Xisdibik> o0Chris0o: did u see what i posted earlier about the graphical anomalies? :)
[21:57] <o0Chris0o> yeah, but dtchen says it has to do with the kernel, which I belive he is quite right :)
[21:58] <o0Chris0o> just remember Jaunty is still in production :D
[21:58] <o0Chris0o> Beta comes out tomorrow too
[22:00] <TuTUXG> ext4 data loss?
[22:00] <TuTUXG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/24/460
[22:01] <josh-l> i know this is an annoying question, but, when is alpha 7 due out? or is it beta 1?
[22:02] <TuTUXG> in a few hours
[22:02] <hggdh> !schedule
[22:03]  * DanaG uses data=journal mode.
[22:03] <LordKow> TuTUXG, thats a good link. i've tried to explain that to people before but noone believed me. maybe they'll believe the kernel creator.
[22:04] <TuTUXG> lol
[22:04] <TuTUXG> it's just funny to see him showing his badness
[22:04] <TuTUXG> ;P
[22:04] <LordKow> yep. well i'd be annoyed too with all the bs that is getting spread around regarding ext4
[22:05] <vbgunz> is the default elevator in Ubuntu cfq?
[22:06] <LordKow> [    1.386774] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
[22:06] <vbgunz> whats the writeback?
[22:06] <vbgunz> its journaled by default?
[22:06] <LordKow> dmesg isnt telling me that
[22:07] <LordKow> the filesystem?
[22:07] <vbgunz> I believe I may be experiencing some issues with the disk. vim can sometimes take about 5-10 seconds to save a file becoming unresponsive :/
[22:07] <TuTUXG> only for ext4 i guess
[22:07] <o0Chris0o> the notification window is defaulted in the top right corner? is it going to be able to be customized in final version?
[22:07] <LordKow> ext3 and 4 are journaled by default.
[22:08] <LordKow> ext4 doesnt work without a journal with kernel < 2.6.29
[22:08] <crdlb> o0Chris0o: I doubt it
[22:08] <o0Chris0o> thats too bad
[22:08] <vbgunz> im on Gutsy and chose ext3 ... was really tempted about ext4 but thought I wait it out one more release
[22:08] <josh-l> TuTUXG: seriously in a few hours?
[22:08] <TuTUXG> josh-l, according to the schedule
[22:08] <TuTUXG> the beta
[22:09] <josh-l> TuTUXG: schedule says march 26th its the 25th
[22:09] <TuTUXG> its almost 26th ;)
[22:10] <josh-l> not in a couple of hours though
[22:10] <LordKow> yes
[22:11] <LordKow> it will be march 26th in 1 hour and 50 minutes
[22:11] <TuTUXG> see
[22:11] <josh-l> oh what time zone?
[22:11] <LordKow> but that doesn't mean that is exactly when the beta is coming out.
[22:11] <LordKow> UTC.
[22:11] <josh-l> oh
[22:11] <josh-l> yeah
[22:12] <josh-l> good, i hope this release will fix my shutdown/reboot issue
[22:12] <josh-l> that was the only reason i stopped using jaunty a few days ago
[22:12] <TuTUXG> what's the issue?
[22:13] <josh-l> TuTUXG: wouldnt shutdown, or reboot, would stick on "*system will now reboot" and "*system will not halt"