[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Wave All Your Fingers At Your Neighbours Day! :-D
[15:36] <aFeijo> hi friends. Out of the blue my ubuntu 12.04 machine is showing AUTH FAILED at the Ubuntu One app, how can I fix this?
[15:58] <aFeijo> no one?


[00:15] <CheGuevara> evening
[00:18] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[00:18] <coreymon77> im back!
[00:18] <coreymon77> well, kinda
[00:19] <coreymon77> im still in the airport, but im on my way home
[00:19] <crimsun> welcome!
[00:19] <coreymon77> been gone on vacation for a while
[00:19] <coreymon77> anyone miss me?
[00:20] <crimsun> the lazyweb surely did.
[00:21] <coreymon77> anyone else?
[00:27] <coreymon77> i guess the people im used to seeing on when i am arent atm because im in a completely different timezone than at home
[00:29] <coreymon77> oh come on, did anybody else even realize i was gone?
[00:33]  * stdin wonders who this coreymon77 fellow is ;)
[00:33] <coreymon77> stdin: hey!
[00:34] <stdin> how you been mate?
[00:34] <coreymon77> now theres a nick i recognize
[00:34] <coreymon77> great
[00:34] <coreymon77> whats been happening while ive been gone
[00:34] <coreymon77> did i miss alot?
[00:35] <stdin> just the uproar about hardy not being LTS, that got a bit of activity here for a few days
[00:35] <coreymon77> ??? hardys not lts
[00:35] <coreymon77> well theres a surprise!
[00:35] <yuriy> kubuntu hardy isn't
[00:35] <coreymon77> oh]
[00:35] <coreymon77> ubuntu hardy is
[00:35] <coreymon77> ?
[00:36] <stdin> yeah, but who cares about ubuntu :p
[00:36] <coreymon77> lol
[00:36] <stdin> so we're going with KDE4 in hardy (from shipit)
[00:36] <coreymon77> so, whens kde4 finally coming?
[00:36] <stdin> the 11th afaik
[00:37] <coreymon77> and is it stable enough?
[00:37] <yuriy> coreymon77: summary: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/frequently-asked-questions/
[00:37] <stdin> we hope so, we have time to test it before it's too late
[00:37] <coreymon77> lol
[00:38] <yuriy> but right now i just stopped using kde4 after a day because the whole session crashed 4 times during that time
[00:38] <coreymon77> figures, i leave and thats when all the action happens! im here, dead!
[00:38] <stdin> and we've just put some svn versions of kde4 (from a few days ago) in the kubuntu-members-kde4 repo and hardy/universe
[00:40] <coreymon77> phew, being off the internet for three weeks sure causes you to miss quite a bit
[01:33] <Vorian> evening :)
[01:34] <Vorian> are the paths changing in the rules file for 4.0?
[01:41] <stdin> not as yet
[01:44] <nixternal> my thoughts on OS X after 1 hour of use: IT SUCKS
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> heh
[01:44] <nixternal> maybe in one hour I can do a IT_SUCKS--;
[01:44] <Vorian> lol
[01:44] <Vorian> ok then
[01:45] <nixternal> who in the hell likes this stuff, and why?
[01:45] <yuriy> 2% of the market :D
[01:45]  * Jucato raises his hand and ducks
[01:45] <Vorian> nixternal: artists and rockstrars
[01:45] <nixternal> hehe
[01:45] <Jucato> *quack*
[01:45] <Vorian> stars*
[01:45] <nixternal> ie. people with money
[01:45] <Jucato> actually I just like seeing it... haven't really had the chance to really use one :)
[01:45] <Vorian> what would need to change in the rules file on ktorrent?
[01:45] <Jucato> although I would have probably gone crazy with no right mouse button :)
[01:46] <Jucato> (in the old days maybe...)
[01:46] <yuriy> how about no middle button?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> I could live without one....but I do like it
[01:54] <Jucato> how about no button? (the whole mouse is a big button...)
[01:55] <nixternal> shoot, is it me or do you always have to restart after installing with osx
[01:55] <nixternal> and the stupid startup sound is annoying..need to figure out how to shut that thing off
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did you get a MAC or something?
[01:56] <nixternal> ya
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> just curious... why not a Ubuntu Dell?
[01:58] <Jucato> a MAC or a Mac? :)
[01:58] <nixternal> cuz this was free as in free beer
[01:58] <Jucato> nixternal:  if you hate it so much, you could always send it my way, btw :)
[01:58]  * Jucato loves free beer too :)
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: wow....how'd you manager THAT?
[01:58] <nixternal> honestly, I don't know
[01:58] <nixternal> a rich friend of mine gave it to me
[01:59]  * Jucato only personally knows one person who owns a Mac... and he's running Mac OS 9...
[01:59] <nixternal> I was talking to him that I always wanted to mess around with a mac but couldn't afford one, so he gave me one
[01:59] <Jucato> wow! I need to get more rich friends too :)
[01:59]  * Jucato thinks nixternal is a friend magnet :P
[01:59] <nixternal> people hate me in real life
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> wow....
[01:59] <Vorian> libphanon-dev
[01:59] <Jucato> obviously not true... else you won't get a Mac :P
[01:59] <Vorian> gaar
[02:00] <nixternal> libphonon-dev :)
[02:00] <Vorian> sorry
[02:00] <Jucato> but I can't imagine anyone hating nixternal :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's because of the free money, no?
[02:00] <nixternal> hehe
[02:00] <nixternal> vista, mac...what's next?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> commodore64
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:00] <Jucato> bsd?
[02:00] <nixternal> have that
[02:00] <nixternal> and that
[02:00] <Jucato> haiku?
[02:00] <nixternal> nope
[02:00] <Jucato> :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> solaris.
[02:00] <Jucato> ReactOS!!!
[02:00] <nixternal> have that
[02:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!!!!!
[02:01] <nixternal> solaris that is
[02:01] <Jucato> you'll have Hobbsee!
[02:01] <Jucato> O.o
[02:01] <Jucato> that didn't sound right
[02:01] <nixternal> lol
[02:01] <Vorian> haha
[02:01] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[02:01]  * Hobbsee is unhavable.
[02:01] <Jucato> heheh
[02:01] <yuriy> it's the OS that beats you with a long pointy stick until you do what it wants
[02:02] <yuriy> Hobbsee sounds a little like vista...
[02:02] <nixternal> how the hell do you see what is a) installed and b) run what is installed
[02:02]  * Hobbsee vistafies yuriy
[02:02] <Jucato> s/vistafies/nixternalizes/
[02:02] <yuriy> nixternal: i think everything is supposed to be in Applications
[02:03] <Jucato> nixternal: totally different workflow :)
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: what? mac's care evolved enough to take voice comands yet? "tell me what you have mah dear cat"
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> s/care/aren't
[02:04] <nixternal> heh, it does have speach...this OS is goofy to me
[02:05] <Jucato> Goofy would be insulted
[02:05] <Vorian> haha
[02:05] <Jucato> coreymon would be insulted even more (he's back btw...)
[02:09] <nixternal> oh wow, to uninstall a program in osx, you just drag its application folder to the trash
[02:10] <nixternal> something tells me that leaves stuff behind
[02:10] <yuriy> possibly, but the idea is that every application is self contained in it's little folder
[02:10] <yuriy> klik follows the same idea
[02:10] <Jucato> uhuh
[02:10] <Jucato> GoboLinux too
[02:10] <Jucato> although klik doesn't really *install* per se... but that's more of a technicality (right?)
[02:11] <yuriy> GoboLinux does the os-x like folder renaming too
[02:11] <yuriy> Jucato: i think it installs as much as OS X does
[02:11] <Vorian> holy cow
[02:12] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51034/
[02:12] <Vorian> the package built fine
[02:22] <stdin> Vorian: just ignore it
[02:23] <Vorian> alrighty then :)
[02:23] <Vorian> I have a candidate ready then
[04:54] <sigma_123> devs i need your help. how do i remove the standby and hibernate buttons from the logout dialog? i asked in kubuntu but no one knows. i assume someone here programmed that dialog
[11:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: how did kdebindings get along?
[11:44] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested the userconfig patch, works like a charm, I'm now testing the package and uploading
[11:45] <Riddell> thanks Tonio_
[11:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you also close http://launchpad.net/bugs/177366 if it's been added
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177366 in kde-guidance "misspelling found - lowercase 'w' in 'wine'" [Low,Triaged]
[11:47] <Tonio_> sure, that was already set to be close with the changelog
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[11:57] <Riddell> whee
[12:08]  * Tonio_ can't wait to see a fully translated power-manager working :)
[13:22] <jpatrick> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=119969933902243&w=4
[13:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: looks like fabo is on the case
[14:04] <jpatrick> :)
[14:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: did you get my kubuntu.org patch?
[14:08] <Riddell> jpatrick: oh yes, sorry, I need to do that
[14:10] <Vorian> morning :)
[14:10] <Vorian> Riddell: I finished your task and nixternal uploaded it last night
[14:11] <jpatrick> moin Vorian
[14:12] <Vorian> hey jpatrick :)
[14:12] <Riddell> Vorian: hmm, I don't see it in New queue
[14:12] <Vorian> hmm
[14:12] <Vorian> he had me send him the debdiff
[14:12] <Riddell> probably nixternal's fault :)
[14:12] <Vorian> he also had me package kmldonky
[14:13] <Vorian> lol
[14:13] <Riddell> Vorian: great
[14:13] <Vorian> it was my first from scratch :)
[14:13] <Vorian> well... that took less than a day
[14:14] <Vorian> is there anything you need help with today?
[14:14] <jpatrick> prephaps bug triage? :)
[14:14] <Vorian> kk
[14:15] <jpatrick> Vorian: http://tinyurl.com/2pbx9u
[14:16] <Vorian> *checks*
[14:16] <Vorian> alrighty
[14:16] <jpatrick> those are untriaged bugs for Kubuntu
[14:16] <Vorian> like !-kubuntu-bugs
[14:17] <jpatrick> hmm, kinda (I guess)
[15:37] <bddebian> Heya
[15:41] <TheInfinity> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/85225 <-- perhaps somebody can close this bug
[15:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85225 in linux-source-2.6.17 "SoundBlaster Audigy 2 NX USB 2.0 behind USB 2.0 hub = strange things happen" [Undecided,New]
[15:41] <TheInfinity> perhaps i should start a wish "warning, if usb bandwich is reached" ... ;)
[15:51] <luis_1234> Hello! Please let me know if you plan to support more Ricoh Memory card readers in the next kernel version. I have an Asus laptop (A6500) and those card readers (Manufacturer : Ricoh) do not work with Ubuntu.
[15:51] <Riddell> luis_1234: this is a desktop channel
[15:52] <jpatrick> luis_1234: ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[15:56] <luis_1234> thanks, sorry for choosin wrong channel.
[16:15] <articpenguin3800> is it better to test hardy on a seperate partition or is ok in virtualbox
[16:18] <Riddell> either should be fine
[16:19] <Jucato> a virtual machine would probably be more convenient. but a separate partition/installation would let you test hardware-related/specific areas (like compositing, audio, usb, etc)
[16:25] <articpenguin3800> i usually wait till beta then i upgrade my install to the new version of kubuntu.
[17:30] <Riddell> LWN coverage of non-LTS http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/263161/f81437367b341cb5/
[17:31] <jpatrick> "December 28, 2007"
[17:31] <jpatrick> that's the one where nixternal said "oh, lord, they quoted me"
[17:33] <Lure> Riddell: that is old stuff
[17:35] <Riddell> ok, I hadn't seen it before
[17:54] <Lure> Riddell: for some reason, kdm-kde4 wants to start /etc/X11/X as x-server
[17:54] <Lure> :-(
[17:55] <Lure> There is debian patch to retry with proper /usr/bin/X path, but not sure if this is really correct (it sure does not work for us)
[17:55] <Lure> Riddell: did kdm-kde4 work for anybody in kubuntu (like with earlier releases)?
[17:56] <nixternal> wasn't my fault...I didn't upload ktorrent-kde4 last night, I will do it here in a few...fell asleep watching a movie
[17:59] <Riddell> Lure: I've not heard of anyone using it
[18:00] <Lure> Riddell: ok ;-)
[18:00] <Lure> and now you expect me to fix it? ;-)
[18:01] <Riddell> Lure: you'd win my eternal gratitude if you did manage to
[18:14] <tlayton> on kdm-kde4, i installed it, went through the configuration dialogs and chose kdm-kde4. everythings been working fine. but just checked process list and /usr/bin/kdm is showing up.
[18:25] <Lure> tlayton: kubuntu hardy?
[18:25] <Lure> tlayton: if /usr/bin/kdm is running, then you have kde3 version
[18:29] <tlayton> lure: yes, hardy
[18:33] <yuriy> i couldn't get kde4's kdm working on gutsy, don't remember what the problem was exactly
[18:34] <iRon> hm.. i have a working kdm from kde4.. from svn
[18:35] <Lure> yuriy: here it complains about "cannot stat /etc/X11/X"
[18:35] <Lure> iRon: where do you install it? To /usr/bin or somewhere else?
[18:37] <iRon> Lure: actualy in /opt/kde4/bin :)
[18:37] <Lure> iRon: and how do you start it? Via /etc/init.d/kdm* ?
[18:39] <iRon> Lure: yes, i've changed path in /etc/init.d/kdm from /usr/bin/kdm to /opt/kde4/bin/kdm
[18:39] <Lure> iRon: ok, will try something similar here...
[18:39]  * Lure is currently testing on clean kde4-only install
[18:40] <iRon> Lure: and set /opt/kde4/bin/kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[18:44] <tlayton> iRon,Lure: I'll give it a try now too, just for the heck of it
[18:46] <Lure> it looks like my X server might be incomplete
[18:46] <Lure> installing kubuntu-desktop, then removing kde3
[18:46]  * yuriy wonders if it would be possible to build a screen-like feature into konversation
[18:47] <Lure> ok, kde3 works now
[18:50] <Nightrose> yuriy: you mean run it on a server and connect a gui? try quassel when it is released - it will rock - developed by a friend of mine and aaron seigo seems to like it ;-)
[18:52] <yuriy> i was thinking just something like "keep me signed in to irc while i log out" + maybe a text-based front end that you can then latch onto that session with
[18:52] <Riddell> yuriy: kwwii has a proxy he connects to which does something like that, of course it's on a remote server
[18:53] <Nightrose> yuriy: quassel will do that for you - not released yet though
[18:53] <yuriy> interesting
[19:05] <tlayton> iRon,Lure: kdm-kde4, a few bugs here, logging in to kde3&kde4 just produced a terminal window, all accounts were listed in the garbled looking list, and it said 'welcome to debian' instead of 'kubuntu'
[19:06] <tlayton> also, unlike kdm, kdm-kde4 didn't remember the last user login name
[19:08] <Lure> tlayton: welcome to Debian is to be fixed
[19:08] <Lure> tlayton: I think it is missing some config
[19:08] <Lure> tlayton: I got it started now (using patched kde3 config)
[19:09] <Lure> tlayton: but it took several minutes hanging on kde_config
[19:16] <tlayton> Lure: are you talking about kdmrc?
[19:17] <txwikinger> Riddell: will the flash/konqui issue get an SRU for gutsy?
[19:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes if a fix becomes available
[19:18] <txwikinger> Isn't it already fixed on hardy?
[19:18] <Riddell> there's a prelininary patch
[19:18] <txwikinger> ah ok.. thanks
[19:19] <Lure> tlayton: kdmrc and X* files in /etc/kde3/kdm dir
[19:29] <nixternal> I still can't play flash stuff in hardy..I get the sound but no video
[19:30] <iRon> nixternal: why not to use opera browser? ;-)
[19:30] <nixternal> cuz I only prefer Konqi
[19:31] <nixternal> plus the less non-free stuff I have the happier I am
[19:31] <nixternal> kind of hard to advocate freeness when I use something non-free
[19:34] <Vorian> nixternal: did you get my kmldonky?
[19:34] <nixternal> ya, I am going to work on them here in a bit
[19:34] <Vorian> sweet
[19:34] <nixternal> thanks!
[19:34] <Vorian> np
[19:53] <DaSkreech> Right
[19:53] <DaSkreech> I'm either jumping to hardy or installing Pclinux
[19:54] <jpatrick_> DaSkreech: the choice is yours
[19:54] <DaSkreech> What's the status on hardy?
[19:54] <DaSkreech> is it still in high churn?
[19:55] <jpatrick_> just time I tried upgrade it wanted to remove a ton of stuff (yesterday)
[19:55] <DaSkreech> remove? :)
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Me likes :)
[19:55] <DaSkreech> KDE4 is still ppa right now?
[19:55] <jpatrick_> DaSkreech: in hardy
[19:56] <DaSkreech> sweet :)
[19:57] <tlayton> jpatrick_: a lot of X apps are removed b/c they are now in new packages x11-apps, x11-utils
[19:58] <DaSkreech> tlayton: May want to repeat :)
[19:58] <tlayton> jpatrick: a lot of X apps are removed b/c they are now in new packages x11-apps, x11-utils
[19:59] <jpatrick> tlayton: I know
[20:01] <DaSkreech> So is there a kubuntu4-desktop for hardy ?
[20:01] <Lure> DaSkreech: not yet
[20:01] <DaSkreech> or is it just vanilla kde4 so far
[20:01] <Lure> DaSkreech: kde4 package is as near as you can get
[20:01] <DaSkreech> ok
[20:01] <Lure> DaSkreech: no real customization yet
[20:01] <Lure> we first need to make it work ;-)
[20:01] <DaSkreech> ok MIght do pclinux for a month or so then jusmp back to kubuntu
[20:02] <DaSkreech> really can't take the computer freezing every 15 minutes
[20:02] <tlayton> DaSkreech: there is a kde4-core, but i don't have it installed here
[20:12] <ScorpKing> hiya guys
[20:12] <ScorpKing> uga: you here?
[20:25] <Lure> oh, it was Riddell himself ;-)
[20:37] <Riddell> Lure: uh oh, what did I do now?
[20:38] <nixternal> I think the better question would be "what haven't I done" :p
[20:38] <ScorpKing> ugh.. nite
[20:41] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[20:43] <Lure> Riddell: nothing ;-)
[20:43]  * Lure just thought he found the cause
[20:43] <Lure> ;-)
[20:43] <nixternal> haha
[20:45] <Lure> still strugling to understand how cmake works (genkdmconf does not get executed in build -> no kdm confign in package)
[20:46] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[20:46] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Well that was easy :)
[20:47] <DaSkreech> no KDE4 for PClinuxOS
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Guess I'm reinstalling on Hardy then
[20:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: why not?
[20:49] <DaSkreech> Riddell: why not on PClinuxOS?
[20:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes
[20:50] <DaSkreech> not LTS quality :-P
[20:50] <Riddell> ah
[20:51] <DaSkreech> they keep pointing me to the source
[20:51] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I see they have a gnome edition though
[20:52] <DaSkreech> a number of them run it but no repos for it and no plans for it right now
[20:52] <DaSkreech> A gnome4 ? :)
[20:54] <nixternal> ya, they just released the Gnome edition
[20:54] <nixternal> I thought that PCLOS was going to do a KDE 4 disc
[20:54]  * nixternal goes and eats before passing out
[20:55] <DaSkreech> Yeah they seem to have a repo and a Kde repo
[20:55] <DaSkreech> :-p
[20:56] <DaSkreech> Kinda like Fedora
[21:03] <Riddell> ok, dudes, who speaks a foreign language?
[21:03]  * DaSkreech speaks Jamaican
[21:03]  * Nightrose speaks german
[21:03] <Nightrose> and a little spanish and latin
[21:03] <Riddell> oh and has kde 4 installed
[21:04] <Nightrose> packages from ppa yes
[21:04]  * DaSkreech goes quiet
[21:04] <DaSkreech> I will in like 3 weeks
[21:04]  * jpatrick speaks German, Spanish and Catalan
[21:07] <Lure> same question also here for people with cmake knowledge
[21:07] <Lure> [22:06] <Lure> can somebody explain why kdm config files are not generated/installed during build. I do not understand why the last part of kdebase/workspace/kdm/kfrontend/CMakeLists.txt does not get executed
[21:07] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[21:08] <Lure> jpatrick: you forgot English ;-)
[21:08] <Lure> Riddell: foreign for you? ;-)
[21:08] <jpatrick> Lure: that goes without saying
[21:08] <Lure> jpatrick: you just live in Spain, right?
[21:08] <jpatrick> Lure: yep
[21:09] <Lure> Riddell: I speak Slovenian & Croatian
[21:10] <Riddell> still uploading de
[21:10]  * smarter speaks french and is currently building KDE4 from SVN on gutsy
[21:11] <Riddell> Nightrose, jpatrick: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-l10n-de_4.0.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[21:12] <Riddell> you'll need to --force-all it
[21:12]  * jpatrick wgets
[21:12]  * Nightrose starts laptop
[21:13]  * Lure grabs German while waiting ;-)
[21:14] <Nightrose> wgetting
[21:17] <Lure> Riddell: ups, now I got Deutsch ;-)
[21:18] <Lure> Riddell: either translation of system settings is not good or something does not work
[21:18]  * uga wonders what ScorpKing wanted
[21:18] <DaSkreech> Nope apparently it's KDE with a Gnome edition
[21:19] <DaSkreech> Wonder why it has a KDE repo
[21:19] <DaSkreech> Anyway I hope I'll have loads of KDE4 Cds after the release party :)
[21:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: german working fine here
[21:26] <Lure> jpatrick: also in system settings?
[21:26] <Lure> jpatrick: I had still English in parts of Regional&Language
[21:27] <jpatrick> yep, good point
[21:27] <Lure> jpatrick: like .desktop files would be translated, but not window elements (Overview, Search...)
[21:29] <Lure> even logout/login did not improve it here
[21:29] <jpatrick> apart from System Settings, most of it is in german
[21:30]  * allee prepares a laptop for tests...   Argl. libxine1 from gutsy-backports requires lots of additional gnome pkgs :(
[21:32] <Riddell> allee: there's a newer version in hardy if you want to see if that's backportable
[21:33] <Lure> Riddell: only .desktop files are translated here, so would be good to know what is different here from jpatrick's system
[21:35] <Lure> Riddell: I just changed language in Regional&Language (Add language, move it to top) - do I need to do something more?
[21:37] <Riddell> Lure: that should be all
[21:37] <allee> Riddell: k I'll look at it when I've hardy running
[21:38] <Nightrose> hmmm can´t open systemsettings kde4 to change the language..
[21:38] <Nightrose> anything else i can do?
[21:38] <Nightrose> or try?
[21:39] <allee> Nightrose: check .xsession-error for err msgs
[21:39] <Nightrose> k
[21:39] <Riddell> Nightrose: export KDE_LANG=de
[21:39] <Lure> Nightrose: does it work from Konsole (systemsettings)
[21:40] <Nightrose> hehe easy on me guys ;-) this laptop is _lame_
[21:42] <Nightrose> hmm nope that did not work - something else is borked here - will try to find out what
[21:51] <Nightrose> wohoo - works now
[21:51] <Nightrose> logging out and in to check
[21:53] <Nightrose> Riddell: same here - most is in german but some stuff in systemsettings for example is still in english
[21:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: could just be an incomplete translation
[21:54] <Nightrose> possible
[21:55] <Nightrose> thoguh it seems to be all the stuff inside the tabs and the heading of the tabs
[21:55] <Nightrose> seems like there is a system in it ;-)
[21:55] <Nightrose> will get you a screenshot
[21:56] <tlayton> i'm using superkaramba in kde4 on hardy. my monitor applet works fine, but liquidweather complains about 'kross' not being available. any ideas?
[21:58] <neversfelde> hat jemand von euch Lust am KDE 4 Artikel für das Portal mitzuarbeiten?
[21:58] <neversfelde> sorry, wrong channel
[21:58] <Riddell> tlayton: poke imbrandon into packaging kdebindings
[21:58] <apachelogger> lol
[21:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: everyone busy these days :P
[21:58] <apachelogger> you should just copy'n'paste from kde.de
[21:58] <neversfelde> apachelogger: hehe
[21:59] <apachelogger> omg amarok without iconloader compiled
[21:59]  * apachelogger starts testing
[22:00] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:00] <Riddell> Nightrose: hmm yes, it doesn't seem to translate kcontrol modules
[22:00] <Nightrose> Riddell: http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/snapshot1.jpg
[22:01] <Nightrose> sorry http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/snapshot1.png
[22:01] <Nightrose> like this everywhere i checked
[22:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: tried relogin?
[22:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sure
[22:02] <apachelogger> not good
[22:04] <Lure> Nightrose: interesting - similar here, I just do not have Overview and Search translated too
[22:04] <Lure> just .desktop files
[22:04] <Nightrose> hmm
[22:04] <Nightrose> strange
[22:04] <Lure> Nightrose: did you use Regional&Settings or set LANGUAGE manually
[22:05] <Nightrose> regional and settings after i tried language and it did not work
[22:05] <Lure> Nightrose: where did your tabs go (General/Advanced)?
[22:06] <Nightrose> ?
[22:07] <Nightrose> I only get them in the overview
[22:07] <Lure> Nightrose: right, I was looking at main page and got confused
[22:07] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[22:07]  * Nightrose note that she does not like to use her system translated to german
[22:08] <Nightrose> like to work on an english system a lot more
[22:08] <Nightrose> it just all feels so wrong ;-)
[22:08]  * apachelogger thinks that barely matters if one speaks both languages :P
[22:09] <Lure> Nightrose: I can not even cope with Slovenian keyboard (useless for coding) ;-)
[22:09] <Nightrose> well just an observation after using a german one again after a few years;-)
[22:09] <Nightrose> Lure: hehe
[22:12] <apachelogger> bah
[22:12] <apachelogger> who installed kompare on my system?
[22:12] <blizzzek> apachelogger: Mr. Schäuble
[22:12] <apachelogger> meh
[22:13] <apachelogger> without asking me
[22:13] <apachelogger> :(
[22:13] <allee> Nightrose: I agree with out about de desktop.  But we need devels that test the translation, so stick with it ;)
[22:13] <Nightrose> allee: sure
[22:13] <Nightrose> after all it is only my laptop i use for testing and when traveling ;-)
[22:13]  * allee found someone else using de desktop, so he can switch back to english :)
[22:14] <Nightrose> it is to lame for daily use
[22:14] <Nightrose> allee: oO
[22:14] <Nightrose> not fair!
[22:14] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:14] <allee> hehe
[22:14]  * Nightrose needs to trick apachelogger into using it
[22:14] <Nightrose> :P
[22:15] <Nightrose> or blizzzek maybe
[22:15] <allee> Nightrose: ask  Schäuble to do install de for  you on apachelogger host :)
[22:15] <Nightrose> rofl
[22:15]  * Nightrose calls
[22:15] <apachelogger> well
[22:15] <apachelogger> first
[22:16] <apachelogger> I have to remove iconloader from amarok
[22:16] <apachelogger> plus I have no, absolutely no kde4 package installed
[22:16] <apachelogger> all source here
[22:18] <Lure> apachelogger: that is no excuse to install one kde4 package with --force-all to break your from-source only install ;-)
[22:18] <Lure> to not install even
[22:19] <apachelogger> might be tricky to force the paths into 2 directions at the same time :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> well, iconloader is still on the light table anyway
[22:24] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:32] <Nightrose> Riddell: need something else tested or can I switch the laptop off again?
[22:45] <voonte> Do you guys need any help testing kde4 for kubuntu?
[22:51] <apachelogger> apache|mobile: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-l10n-de_4.0.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[22:59] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: you're using rc2, aren't you?
[22:59] <Nightrose> jep
[22:59] <apache|mobile> ok
[22:59] <Nightrose> ppa packages
[22:59] <apache|mobile> Riddell: works like a charm in final
[23:00] <apache|mobile> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot62.jpg
[23:10] <Riddell> apache|mobile: packages or self compiled?
[23:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: that's all
[23:11] <apache|mobile> Riddell: package, well, I moved the files to my kde-devel user
[23:11] <apache|mobile> would be easier to test if you could provide final packages of pimlibs, libs and base ;-)
[23:18] <jjesse_> #ubuntu-bugs
[23:18] <jjesse_> doh
[23:36] <tlayton> anybody know what the kdeglobalsXXXXX.new from .kde4/share/config are or if they can be removed?  there's about 20 of them
[23:36] <tlayton> there's also a bunch of kpgprcXXXX.new files as well
[23:37] <tlayton> oh, my bad, i was in the kde3 config. sorry about that
[23:58] <nixternal> Vorian: I need your .orig.tar.gz for ktorrent-kde4-4.0.0
[23:59] <nixternal> and for kmldonkey as well


[06:42] <elfy> morning
[06:53] <Hudsonkem> morning :)
[10:17] <bluesabre> Dropped the Xfce 4.10 PPA, updated the description on https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12
[10:23] <brainwash_> bluesabre: hi, you surely have some 14.04 installation to test stuff, right?
[10:24] <bluesabre> I use 14.04 at work, and test things in VMs before pushing them... what's up?
[10:24] <ali1234> i use 14.04 too
[10:24] <lderan> i have 14.04 on a laptop somewhere as well :P
[10:25] <brainwash_> package stuck in -proposed for too long
[10:25] <brainwash_> bug 1292290
[10:26] <brainwash_> once there was a fixed package available, everybody stopped caring about this bug o.o
[10:26] <brainwash_> or did it magically disappear? :)
[10:27] <ali1234> most likely explanation: nobody uses keybindings
[10:27] <brainwash_> anymore?
[10:27] <ali1234> ever
[10:27] <ali1234> since the invention of the computer mouse :)
[10:28] <bluesabre> I generally don't add a verification comment to the fixes that I upload, it feels wrong to me
[10:28] <brainwash_> how do I zoom the desktop with mouse only?
[10:29] <bluesabre> I test and verify, then upload, so one of the original reporters can take a crack at it
[10:29] <ali1234> remap one of your mouse buttons to send super
[10:29] <ali1234> or whatever key it is
[10:29] <brainwash_> bluesabre: but what to do? letting it rot in -proposed is bad
[10:30] <ali1234> find someone who is willing to say it works for them
[10:30] <bluesabre> well, I'd imagine that nearly anybody else in -team or the community could also check out the bug
[10:30] <ali1234> anyone at all can post a verification comment
[10:31] <brainwash_> well, I'll bump the report at least
[10:31] <bluesabre> yeah, can't stop you from just marking it as verified yourself if you know the fix is good
[10:32] <ali1234> wait...
[10:33] <ali1234> nvm
[10:34] <ali1234> o yeah all you need to do is find one person who is affected to say that this packages fixes it
[10:38] <ali1234> i'm going to have to decline to be that person, i don't use shortcuts and i don't understand how they work or how to use them anyway
[10:54] <brainwash_> SRUs are always troublesome
[10:54] <brainwash_> bluesabre: any idea re bug 1421443 ?
[10:55] <brainwash_> light-locker should be disabled in the live session
[10:55] <bluesabre> yeah, it is
[10:55] <bluesabre> so thats odd
[10:56] <brainwash_> in 14.10 too, right?
[10:57] <brainwash_> I'm not sure if asking the reporter to test 15.04 will help
[10:57] <brainwash_> unless something was changed recently
[10:57] <bluesabre> might be related to the suspend
[10:57] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings (14.10.5) utopic; urgency=medium
[10:57] <bluesabre>   * debian/light-locker.desktop
[10:57] <bluesabre>   * debian/xubuntu-live-settings.install
[10:57] <bluesabre>     - Drop light-locker.desktop, default config no longer auto-locks
[10:58] <bluesabre> should take a look at that later
[10:58] <brainwash_> thanks
[11:01] <brainwash_> there are some new display related bugs filed against xfce4-settings
[11:01] <brainwash_> want to take a look?
[11:03] <bluesabre> I can review them tonight, or you can link them here and I'll follow up
[11:04] <brainwash_> bug 1426939
[11:04] <brainwash_> bug 1441991
[11:04] <brainwash_> bug 1444060
[11:09] <ochosi> hmright, the first is a known issue, or feature request
[11:09] <ochosi> guess we'd have to listen to the respective signal and then update the view, doesnt sound too hard to do
[11:10] <ochosi> the second one is a collection of reports or feature requests, messy...
[11:10] <bluesabre> oh boy, we lured ochosi out :)
[11:10] <ochosi> oh boy oh boy oh boy
[11:13] <ochosi> lucky for you i need to head out again..
[11:13] <bluesabre> heh
[11:13] <bluesabre> have fun ochosi
[11:14] <ochosi> thanks, you too
[13:49] <elfy> hi krytarik
[13:49] <krytarik> Hi elfy.
[15:41] <elfy> drc: :)
[15:42] <drc> I'm not here...oh, yes, I am <here>.
[20:05] <Unit193> And yet another day without the codename I presume.
[20:05] <elfy> yep
[20:06] <elfy> and if it's not tomorrow - another week without I'd guess
[20:09] <Unit193> Meh.  I've been waiting for some time to start pushing things. ;(
[20:09] <elfy> yep
[21:46] <Hudsonkem> hello, im using xubuntu 15.04 and sometimes when i open folder with external software like google chrome it open nautilus? why I dont installed that, and I found this packages nautilus-data, libnautilus-extension1a, may I remove that?
[21:48] <Unit193> You can remove it if you want to, I'd check to see what's removed.  Also, if nautilus is opened, then it's clearly been installed.  file-roller (archive manager) depends on nautilus-data, so that'd get removed as well.
[21:49] <Hudsonkem> :/ but what i can do without file-roller to open archives?
[21:49] <Unit193> I can't quite parse that.
[21:50] <Hudsonkem> ok, thx for ur help, I will relax and think what I will decide right now
[21:51] <Unit193> Check if nautilus is installed, and if so remove that.
[21:52] <Hudsonkem> yes checked, and nautilus is not installed, it so strange how it open '-'
[21:53] <drc> Hudsonkem: You are saying that nautilus is NOT installed but yet is being opened?
[21:54] <Unit193> `which nautilus`
[21:54] <Hudsonkem> yes, I'm so surprised
[21:55] <Hudsonkem> but maybe I'm wrong and, thunar come with layout and settings with same of nautilus?
[21:56] <drc> Hudsonkem: Do whatever you do to "open nautilus" and then check "Help>About" to see what tha app really is.
[21:57] <Hudsonkem> okay, now I will try reproduce that.
[21:58] <drc> Hudsonkem: This should probably be moved to #xubuntu  It's the support channel.
[21:58] <Hudsonkem> oh! okay ^^ thx for all
[21:59] <Unit193> Right you are, drc.
[22:00] <drc> Unit193: Sometimes I/we forget which channel we're actually in :)
[22:00] <Hudsonkem>  Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu i didnt see that >.<
[22:01]  * drc will get his ruler..." Hudsonkem. stick out you hand" :)


[13:56] <cmaloney> morning
[13:57] <rick_h_> morning
[13:57] <cmaloney> How goes?
[13:57] <rick_h_> wheeee
[13:57] <cmaloney> Good whee?
[13:57] <rick_h_> meh, still sick. getting sick of being sick and working on work stuff so meh wheee
[13:58] <cmaloney> What did you do to yourself now?
[13:58]  * rick_h_ needs to just get new lungs
[13:58] <cmaloney> Ugh
[13:58] <cmaloney> From being out in the rain or just from having allergies?
[13:59] <rick_h_> got a cold a couple of weeks ago
[13:59] <rick_h_> and so it's just refusing to go away
[13:59] <cmaloney> Oh that sucks
[13:59] <cmaloney> Have you seen the other doctor about it?
[14:00] <rick_h_> yea, got some basics but meh
[14:00] <cmaloney> is it getting worse or ... ?
[14:00] <rick_h_> just not getting bettter
[14:04] <cmaloney> Damn. Hoping you can shake it off soon.
[14:04] <rick_h_> all good
[14:04] <rick_h_> it'll go away eventually
[14:04] <rick_h_> always does
[14:04] <cmaloney> heh
[14:04] <_stink_> when death comes
[14:04] <_stink_> :P
[14:05] <cmaloney> Hey now
[14:05] <cmaloney> None of that dying thing please
[14:05] <_stink_> that may have been more welcome in a different channel.
[14:05] <cmaloney> I've had enough of that
[14:05] <_stink_> eh ColonelPanic001?
[14:05] <cmaloney> heh
[14:06] <_stink_> yes rick_h_ i do hope you continue to live.
[14:06] <cmaloney> (My uncle that I haven't seen in 30+ years passed away on Wed so went to an impromptu family reunion)
[14:06] <_stink_> sad!
[14:06] <_stink_> local?
[14:06] <cmaloney> Yeah
[14:06] <cmaloney> Unfortunately he's the first of the siblings to pass away
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> eh?
[14:07] <_stink_> i had a similiar situation with my Aunt recently
[14:07] <cmaloney> _stink_: Sorry to hear that.
[14:07] <_stink_> you know when the weird uncle calls
[14:07] <_stink_> something is up.
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> >\
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> :\
[14:07] <cmaloney> _stink_: Yeah, I know the feeling.
[14:07] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: i made a death joke in this channel.
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> good
[14:07] <cmaloney> I get a little twinge every time my mom calls at odd times
[14:08] <cmaloney> it's either somethinig silly or something bad happened.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> same here, except "calls me at all"
[14:08] <_stink_> hah
[14:08] <_stink_> i read that as "calls me Al"
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> my sister recently called and left a voicemail saying to call her back (my favorite kind of vm - entirely f'ing useless)
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> I also hate when my mom calls me Al, because that isn't my name
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> but the last two times my sister has called and insisted on a phone call it's been becasue she's pragnant
[14:09] <_stink_> do you call her Betty?
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> I call my mom, mim
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> mom
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> not mim
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> that also would be odd.
[14:09] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: so is she pregnant again?
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah. I don't know if that's supposed to be public yet, but none of you nerds know her or anyone I know irl, so whatever
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> my family knows, but I don't think she's announced beyond that
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> because she is nuts and told us immediately after a positive pregnancy test
[14:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, you need to let it incubate a bit
[14:11]  * _stink_ rents skywriter
[20:36] <cscheib> anyone with any 14.04 servers around who can apt-get update && apt-cache search sysdig real quick?
[20:36] <cscheib> the package isn't showing up for me, and I know 100% for a fact that it's been there very recently
[20:37] <cscheib> not sure where to look to see if the package was removed or something.
[20:37] <cmaloney> It's still showing up for me on my 14.04 desktop
[20:37] <cmaloney> Let me do an update
[20:38] <cmaloney> sysdig - system-level exploration and troubleshooting tool
[20:38] <cmaloney> sysdig-dkms - system-level exploration and troubleshooting tool - kernel source
[20:38] <cmaloney> still there.
[20:38] <cscheib> what the f
[20:38] <cmaloney> You sure it didn't move repos?
[20:39] <jrwren> cscheib: yes. what of sysdig?
[20:39] <jrwren> cscheib: its in universe. is universe enabled?
[20:40] <cmaloney> and usually if a package is removed it leaves some unhelful meta-package
[20:40] <jrwren> unless its purged?
[20:40] <cmaloney> "blah blah isn't available but you can kindly go F yourself"
[20:40] <cmaloney> or something like that.
[20:41] <cscheib> cmaloney: what upstream source are you using? us.archive?
[20:41] <cscheib> jrwren: universe is indeed enabled
[20:42] <cmaloney> one sec.
[20:42] <cscheib> if I pull up the Packages.bz2 from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/universe/binary-i386/ and binary-amd64, I don't see sysdig in there
[20:42] <cscheib> that may be the wrong file to look at
[20:42] <cmaloney> https://www.dropbox.com/s/08k9wy40aevao8n/sources.list?dl=0
[20:42] <cmaloney> That's my sources list
[20:42] <cscheib> so maybe someone f'ed something up on archive and everyone else's repos haven't pulled yet
[20:44] <cscheib> you're using us.archive too, hrmmm
[20:47] <jrwren> cscheib: i was wrong. I looked at xenial. http://packages.ubuntu.com shows no sysdig for trusty.
[20:47] <cscheib> weird
[20:47] <jrwren> cscheib: it is in trusty-backports.
[20:47] <cscheib> ahh... wonder if there was a breaking issue in universe's version
[20:47] <cmaloney> That makes sense
[20:48] <jrwren> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-backports/admin/ listed there.
[20:48] <cmaloney> May not have been in Trusty
[20:48] <cscheib> I don't have backports enabled on servers, typically
[20:48] <cscheib> so makes sense.
[20:48] <cmaloney> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-backports/admin/sysdig
[20:48] <cmaloney> First mention is Wily. Trusty is in backports
[20:51] <cscheib> cmaloney: do you have sysdig installed on your desktop?  that seems to make it show up in apt-cache search
[20:51] <cscheib> cscheib@pvl-gitlab01:~$ apt-cache show sysdig | grep Filename
[20:51] <cscheib> cscheib@pvl-gitlab01:~$ apt-cache show curl | grep Filename
[20:51] <cscheib> Filename: pool/main/c/curl/curl_7.35.0-1ubuntu2.6_amd64.deb
[20:51] <cscheib> just shows with no FIlename
[20:51] <cscheib> they have to have shifted it some time over the weekend for some reason
[20:52] <cmaloney> I don't have it installed
[20:55] <cscheib> urgh


[11:34] <rbasak> o/
[11:34] <rbasak> Could someone respond to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2019-February/018257.html please?
[11:34] <rbasak> Or do you want them redirected to a bug or kernel-team@?
[13:02] <apw> rbasak, actually asking them to repeat themselves on kernel-team@ is likley sensible
[13:02] <apw> as the options sound useful
[13:03] <apw> sforshee, ^ something for dev perhaps
[13:03] <rbasak> apw: OK thanks, I'll reply.
[13:03] <apw> rbasak, thanks, i should doing it, but i'll not get round to it in a timely fashion; so thank you
[13:51] <sforshee> we have one of those enabled already, just not the early printk one
[14:50] <apw> sforshee, if we get that turned into a bug, either by them or us, then we can consider it


[03:48] <greg-g> guess who gets to work on MLK day? this guy
[05:10] <_stink_> D:
[05:15] <brousch> Guess who works where MLK Day is not treated like a real holiday? this guy
[05:17] <brousch> I might have to drop Dropbox. It keeps using a whole CPU even when it's not indexing, and uses nearly 1GB of RAM that bloats up to 4GB over a few days
[13:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: woot woot
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i have to work too... >:[ you could give mega.co.nz a try. some people dont trust kim dotcom but the service offers some pretty nice features. (50gb free, client side encryption, nice client)
[13:39] <brousch> I would move to Google Drive
[14:33] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:34] <cmaloney> brousch: I think the only places observing MLK day are govt., academic, or other civil-related places
[14:34] <cmaloney> We're here at work as well
[14:35] <rick_h_> we do! except we're on sprint so :(
[14:35] <rick_h_> but swap day!
[14:35] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That swap day is pretty awesome.
[14:59] <_stink_> yeah i'll be trading MLK day off for president's day
[14:59] <_stink_> soon
[14:59] <_stink_> i got a new gig
[14:59] <_stink_> starting next week
[15:00] <brousch> Leaving WSU?
[15:00] <_stink_> yarp
[15:00] <_stink_> going to work for the Salesforce Foundation
[15:00] <_stink_> as a dev
[15:00] <_stink_> work from home
[15:03] <brousch> What language do they use?
[15:03] <_stink_> salesforce uses this bastard Java frankenstein on the server side
[15:03] <cmaloney> _stink_: Nice!
[15:03] <_stink_> called 'apex'
[15:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's all Java all the way down
[15:03] <_stink_> i think the middleware will be in whatever the dev wants
[15:04] <_stink_> yeah the product is fully java
[15:04] <_stink_> but we can write this apex stuff and deploy it
[15:05] <cmaloney> Jython. ;)
[15:12] <brousch> _stink_: Do you have Java experience?
[15:13] <_stink_> brousch: naw, but i have a bunch of apex specifically
[15:13] <_stink_> that was my primary job at WSU
[15:13] <_stink_> and this job won't be java per se, just developing on the platform
[15:15] <brousch> Ah
[15:34] <rick_h_> _stink_: wtf, you didn'nt mention to us you were looking
[15:34] <rick_h_> salesforce?! whoa
[15:34] <cmaloney> (This is a rare opportunity to see rick_h_ catch up in IRC. ;) )
[15:37] <_stink_> haha
[15:37] <rick_h_> heh, yea sprinting is sprinting
[15:37] <rick_h_> big team across 3 rooms this one
[15:37] <_stink_> rick_h_: i wasn't really... it's the first time i've applied for a job since joining WSU
[15:38] <rick_h_> _stink_: well congrats man
[15:38] <_stink_> thanks!
[15:38] <_stink_> rick_h_: you're overseas?
[15:39] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea, london for a big work sprint
[15:39] <rick_h_> well, big for our team, but not big big
[15:39] <_stink_> awesome, i hope you get a chance to enjoy
[15:43] <rick_h_> heh, we'll see
[15:43] <rick_h_> london in winter isn't exactly wooooo!
[15:43] <rick_h_> but in two weeks summer in cape town so that'll be :)
[15:44] <_stink_> wow, nice
[17:34] <greg-g> brousch: rick_h_ luckily, we just instated a "floating holiday" program here at WMF: you get 6 days on Jan 1st, then another 6 on July 1st. By default they're used on the normal holidays (MLK, Presidents, july 4th, etc) but you can also work those days and bank them up and use them whenever else.
[17:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: cool, yea I've got to work for the sprint so I just moved it to our SD vacation in May
[17:39] <rick_h_> woot for vacation without using days off
[17:41] <greg-g> yeah, good deal


[05:10] <cooloney> do you guys know where can i change the login session to une-2d in maverick on panda?
[05:11] <cooloney> i set it as default login, so it log into a defaul une session which does not show anything due to miss 3D supports.
[05:11] <cooloney> so i wanna change it back to une-2d in a terminal, which config file or anything command i need to run?
[08:47] <hrw> morning
[11:44] <philipp2084> hi all, I have a BridgCo DM860 in front of me, which is essentially an Media Processor with 3 cores, the system controller is a ARM926EJ. I would like to try and get ubuntu to run on it, but am a little stumped. Where do I get an image from, or how do I built an image that I can download via tftp or similar to the board.
[11:46] <lool> philipp2084: It wont work, your CPU is not supported
[11:46] <XorA> youll have to use debian for that CPU
[11:46] <lool> philipp2084: Debian would
[11:47] <philipp2084> Thanks that is a start
[11:47] <lool> wel Ubuntu jaunty might work, but it's quite old
[11:47] <philipp2084> so where do I find a list of supported CPUs for Ubuntu and for Debian
[11:48] <XorA> debian is armv4t and later
[11:48] <philipp2084> Let me just briefly state my aim, you might just turn around and tell me I am barking mad :), or you may just like it.
[11:48] <lool> philipp2084: partial list http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.ports.arm/8780
[11:48] <lool> philipp2084: your CPU is armv5
[11:49] <philipp2084> I am hoping to get a minimal linux distro running on the board and use pulse audio to stream music to multiple of these boards in a multiroom AV system
[11:53] <hrw> philipp2084: from Debian based only Debian will work
[11:53] <philipp2084> lool: thanks for the info let me see if I can find an image of debian and jaunty to see how far I get
[14:27] <rsalveti> morning
[14:27] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: were you able to test the OTG issue?
[14:29] <rsalveti> ogra: did you see my email about the new rootstock release?
[14:29] <ogra> rsalveti, yes, why did you switch the arch tag from "all" to "any" ?
[14:29] <rsalveti> ogra: just because we can't put qemu as a dependency for arm
[14:29] <ogra> beyond that it looks fine
[14:29] <rsalveti> is broken
[14:30] <rsalveti> and we don't use it
[14:30] <rsalveti> at least for arm
[14:30] <ogra> right, thats something you sort in the deps
[14:30] <ogra> no need for an all vs any switch
[14:30] <rsalveti> I just used the [!armel]
[14:30] <ogra> right, thats enough
[14:30] <rsalveti> and that requires you to switch to any
[14:30] <ogra> switching the package to arch: any just wastes buildd time
[14:31] <ogra> in the binary deps ?
[14:31] <ogra> it shouldnt
[14:31] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, at least it did complain about it
[14:31] <ogra> hmm, k
[14:32] <rsalveti> dpkg-gencontrol: error: the Depends field contains an arch-specific dependency but the package is architecture all
[14:33] <ogra> oh, ok
[14:33] <ogra> fine then
[14:33] <ogra> did you make a tarball release on LP ?
[14:33] <rsalveti> ogra: yep
[14:33] <rsalveti> release notes, changelog and stuff
[14:33] <ogra> great, i'll make sure to upload before the release meeting then
[14:34] <hrw> ogra: http://github.com/haveahennessy/bl-linux-omap/commit/63549ba533720f66be4da77cd63d43d84ef06f79 maybe useful for bbxm
[14:34] <hrw> ogra: adds options to smsc95xx to set mac address from kernel cmdline
[14:35] <ogra> mpoirier, lag, ^^^
[14:35] <rsalveti> ogra: nice, we can move the work item to done when you upload it
[14:35] <ogra> yeah
[14:35] <mpoirier> ogra: morning
[14:35] <ogra> mpoirier, seen hrw's comment above ?
[14:36] <ogra> seems to make sense to have that patch (i think the omap4 branch has it already)
[14:37] <mpoirier> ogra: we can look at it - open a bug pls.
[14:37] <mpoirier> one of us will pick it up
[14:37] <ogra> hrw, would you (since you seem to know details)
[14:37] <hrw> ogra: I just found it during checking other things. never tried it
[14:38] <hrw> and none of my hw uses smsc95xx
[14:38] <hrw> so cannot even test it
[16:06] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Morning.  I tested the OTG kernel patch for Lucid and it worked fine.  Haven't tested on Maverick yet as I'm having image issues since trying to run update last Friday (and I was running lucid>maverick upgrade tests earlier).
[16:06] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: oh, ok
[16:06] <rsalveti> np
[16:07] <rsalveti> just wanted to know  because I tested a kernel yesterday and the fix doesn't seems to be included
[16:08] <rsalveti> generated a basic maverick image with rootstock and tested at my old r5 beagle
[16:08] <GrueMaster> I'm not sure if the OTG fix was pushed into maverick.
[16:09] <GrueMaster> I know there was a test kernel, but beyond that...
[16:09] <rsalveti> yep, that's why I asked :-)
[16:09] <rsalveti> now it's finally time to play with my panda :-)
[16:10] <DanaG> ah, are those things now available?
[16:11] <rsalveti> not yet, just a few boards around
[16:13]  * mattman_ is away:
[16:38]  * mattman_ is back (gone 00:25:21)
[16:46] <rsalveti> ls -l
[16:47] <rsalveti> argh :-)
[17:05] <GrueMaster> ls -l returns . & ..
[17:31] <GrueMaster> ogra_cmpc: This might interest you.  On my babbage, I formatted a 2G SD card using the same cmdline as in livecd.sh, then attempted to copy the contents from the 7/20 image.  It just failed with a disk full error, even though df -h shows 465M available.
[17:32] <rsalveti> ogra: GrueMaster: is there any package copying u-boot, mlo and xloader to the first partition for panda?
[17:33] <GrueMaster> ?
[17:33] <GrueMaster> What do you mean?
[17:33] <rsalveti> I know flash-kernel updates the uInitrd and uImage
[17:33] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: for panda we need to have u-boot and xloader load at the first partition
[17:33] <rsalveti> don't we?
[17:34] <GrueMaster> I think flash-kernel should also update those, unless they have a post-install script of their own.
[17:34] <rsalveti> yep, I'm trying to find what's the package who copy the files
[17:34] <GrueMaster> Are you referring to image-build time?
[17:35] <GrueMaster> That may be handled manually by the livecd script.
[17:35] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: nops, normal use
[17:35] <rsalveti> update and etc
[17:35] <GrueMaster> Not sure, since this is the first distro to use that.
[17:35] <GrueMaster> (lucid used nand on beagle).
[17:35] <rsalveti> yep
[17:36] <GrueMaster> And I haven't seen any updates yet.
[17:36] <rsalveti> yep, I think this may not be implemented yet
[17:37] <rsalveti> going to check later, will grab something to eat now
[17:37] <GrueMaster> Not sure.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> I would actually expect it to be a postinstall script, as it is rarely used.
[17:39] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: yep, makes more sense
[17:39] <rsalveti> the only issue is that the post install needs to mount the partition, copy the file and unmount
[17:39] <rsalveti> but should be enough
[17:39] <GrueMaster> Same as flash-kernel.
[18:21] <tripzero> hello
[18:23] <tripzero> i'm attempting to boot ubuntu 9.04 on an igepv2 board.  I successfully booted to the filesystem but lsmod shows no modules
[18:23] <tripzero> and i have no wifi/bt :(
[18:23] <tripzero> i copied my kernel modules to /lib/modules/[kernel-version]/
[18:23] <tripzero> is there some magic i need to do to get my kernel to use them?
[19:11] <cwillu_at_work> can somebody with a beagle or similar verify if inkscape segfaults on startup?
[19:33] <cwillu_at_work> ah, it's just printing from the command line


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[09:22] <jordanl> how do i enter the grub menu during bootup?
[09:23] <jordanl> i need to test a kernel option
[09:23] <jordanl> but i don't get a grub menu selection
[09:23] <jordanl> it boots straight to the ubuntustudio splash screen
[19:13] <Brnocrist> hi
[19:14] <Brnocrist> i've tried ubuntu studio on vmware, but it doesn't start X server
[19:14] <Brnocrist> is this normal?
[19:56] <Brnocrist> mm
[21:04] <holstein> Brnocrist: the install?
[21:04] <holstein> no x?
[21:04] <holstein> its not a live DVD
[21:04] <holstein> i dont know why X wouldnt start otherwise...
[21:08] <Brnocrist> i've the .iso
[21:08] <Brnocrist> start it with vwmare
[21:08] <Brnocrist> and it installs
[21:08] <Brnocrist> but at reboot doesn't show me X
[21:25]  * holstein got busy there
[21:25]  * holstein reading
[21:26] <holstein> Brnocrist: have you googled around to see any Vmware issues?
[21:26] <Brnocrist> yep
[21:26] <holstein> i cant imaging it not working
[21:26] <Brnocrist> but there isn't
[21:26] <holstein> hmm
[21:26] <Brnocrist> me too
[21:26] <holstein> how about normal ubuntu?
[21:26] <holstein> have you got that installed in vmware?
[21:26] <holstein> on your box?
[21:26] <holstein> or have you?
[21:27] <Brnocrist> it works
[21:27] <Brnocrist> :)
[21:27]  * holstein has only used virtualBox
[21:27] <holstein> hmm
[21:27] <holstein> WELL
[21:27] <holstein> is it karmic?
[21:27] <holstein> the one that wokrs?
[21:27] <Brnocrist> yep
[21:27] <holstein> works*?
[21:27] <Brnocrist> 9.10
[21:27] <holstein> karmic studio that wont boot?
[21:28] <holstein> or lucid?
[21:28] <Brnocrist> karmic
[21:28] <holstein> hmmm
[21:28] <Brnocrist> ubuntustudio-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[21:28] <holstein> that is interesting
[21:28] <holstein> can you get into the recovery console?
[21:29] <Brnocrist> hmmm
[21:29] <Brnocrist> wait
[21:29] <Brnocrist> when i start vmware with that iso
[21:29] <holstein> and i dont konw about amd64
[21:29] <holstein> know*
[21:29] <Brnocrist> (same on x86)
[21:29] <holstein> there could be something particular to that
[21:29] <holstein> hmmm
[21:29] <Brnocrist> it boots and don't show me splash with selection
[21:29] <Brnocrist> it start the ncurses installation
[21:29] <holstein> well...
[21:29] <Brnocrist> and without selection
[21:30] <Brnocrist> just start and reboot automatically
[21:30] <Brnocrist> and show me the tty login
[21:30] <Brnocrist> i login
[21:30] <Brnocrist> type "startx"
[21:30] <holstein> and nothing
[21:30] <holstein> hu
[21:30] <Brnocrist> startx comamnd not found
[21:30] <holstein> h
[21:30] <holstein> OH
[21:30] <holstein> thats interesting
[21:31] <Brnocrist> yea
[21:31] <holstein> to be honest
[21:31] <holstein> i do not install ubuntu studio anymore
[21:31] <holstein> i do to test, and check it out
[21:31] <holstein> BUT i just add the studio packages to the vanilla install
[21:31] <Brnocrist> i've tried 9.04 too
[21:31] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:31] <Brnocrist> same beaivour
[21:32] <holstein> if you read that
[21:32] <holstein> even the instructions for hardy are the same for karmic
[21:32] <holstein> and lucid AFAIK
[21:32] <Brnocrist> the problem is the boot
[21:32] <Brnocrist> i cant select nothing
[21:32] <holstein> yup
[21:32] <holstein> you can go to your other ubuntu install
[21:32] <holstein> and just install studio packages
[21:32] <holstein> whatever studio pacakges you want
[21:32] <Brnocrist> uhm
[21:32] <Brnocrist> how?
[21:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-*whatever*
[21:33] <holstein> if you go..
[21:33] <holstein> into synaptic
[21:33] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[21:33] <holstein> you can see the metapackages
[21:33] <holstein> and read about them
[21:33] <holstein> ALSO
[21:33] <Brnocrist> ok
[21:34] <Brnocrist> but it's weird
[21:34] <holstein> lucid is beta 2
[21:34] <holstein> SO you could get a daily for that
[21:34] <holstein> and try it too i suppose
[21:34] <Brnocrist> yep
[21:34] <holstein> its weeks away from final
[21:34] <Brnocrist> i try this iso on dvd
[21:34] <Brnocrist> and boot on native pc
[21:34] <holstein> it will want to install though
[21:35] <holstein> not a live DVD
[21:35] <Brnocrist> yea
[21:37] <holstein> Brnocrist: can you try something?
[21:37] <holstein> in the non-X having install?
[21:38] <holstein> hmm
[21:38] <holstein> im not convinced this will do anything
[21:38] <holstein> http://locoteam.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4319685
[21:40]  * holstein gotta run
[21:40] <holstein> good luck


[05:35] <cob-olp> hi
[05:35] <cob-olp> what "Ubuntu TV Testcard" is?
[05:38] <cob-olp> is it some newer release of Ubuntu TV ported to 12.04?
[12:42] <tgm4883> cob-olp, no it's a tv testcard
[12:42] <tgm4883> cob-olp, further, wherever you saw it surely has descriptions and screenshots
[12:43] <tgm4883> actually i'm unsure if the weekly updates links to an info page
[12:44] <tgm4883> it didn't, but now the LP page links to the myapps page
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Yo bobweaver
[14:14] <bobweaver> Hello smartboyhw  how are you today ?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Fine
[14:14] <bobweaver> my gf is making me clean house today I am going to toss 4 servers
[14:14] <smartboyhw> jhodapp is not replying about Ubuntu TV QA for a WEEK.
[14:15] <bobweaver> what do you mean ?
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Please look at past logs
[14:15] <bobweaver> like you have been asking the same question for a week and not getting answered ?
[14:15] <bobweaver> if so what is the question maybe I can help
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, I will ask jhoadapp
[14:16] <bobweaver> ok
[14:16] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  is a good dude a busy but good dude I am sure that there is a reason for it
[14:17] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:17] <bobweaver> maybe there is no QA team yet and you should form it ?
[14:17] <smartboyhw> No, they have a internal QA guy, jhodapp is trying to contact him
[14:18] <bobweaver> ahh yeah in cases like this I go full steam ahead
[14:18] <bobweaver> helps
[14:18] <bobweaver> kinda
[14:18] <bobweaver> people get paid for stuff like this you know
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Oh, I'm too young to be employed
[14:18] <bobweaver> look at it like this
[14:19] <bobweaver> everyone keeps telling me stop writing in QML and QT code because it is not going to matter in the long run
[14:19] <bobweaver> but ...
[14:19] <bobweaver> the more I make and the more videos that I make the more attention ubuntu tv gets
[14:19] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, I asked Martin if he could think of anything...at this time there isn't much to help out on but...leading up to UDS at the end of October and defining the features for 13.04, there will be many things. So please stick around and joining in the conversation (or come to UDS if you can).
[14:19] <bobweaver> the more attention that UBuntu tv gets maybe the faster unity push will happen :)
[14:20] <bobweaver> see it is a win win
[14:20] <smartboyhw> OK, I'll be attending remotely
[14:20] <jhodapp> excellent!
[14:20] <bobweaver> I want to go to uds ;(
[14:20] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Just attend remotely:)
[14:20] <jhodapp> bobweaver, you applied for sponsorship, right?
[14:21] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  will cooke did for me
[14:21] <bobweaver> but it is more about $ passports and planning
[14:21] <bobweaver> right
[14:21] <jhodapp> nice, I'm not sure when Canonical decides who gets sponsorship, but I imagine it'd be soon
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Anyone participating in the dev week this week?
[14:22] <jhodapp> bobweaver, go ahead and get your passport now if you don't have one, it costs more if you have to rush order it
[14:22] <bobweaver> cool jhodapp  will do
[14:22] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  happy about unity preview ?
[14:22] <jhodapp> yes indeed
[14:22] <jhodapp> a very nice feature
[14:23] <bobweaver> me too there are lot bugs and there is need for workarounds but that is expected
[14:23] <bobweaver> over all 7 out of 10 from me
[14:23] <jhodapp> glad you like it, they are still in active development
[14:24] <bobweaver> 9 out of ten if they would use different screenshots then the ones in screenshot.debian.net there old
[14:24] <bobweaver> qt creator is from like 1.X
[14:24] <bobweaver> i have filled bugs
[14:24] <jhodapp> ah nice
[14:25] <bobweaver> this will be easy to plug in for TV
[14:25] <bobweaver> after RE the code last night
[14:25] <bobweaver> it will be easy
[14:25] <bobweaver> just gots to get my vala skillz a little bit higher
[14:26] <jhodapp> you and me both ;)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:27] <bobweaver> see it is not that much of a change to unity as it is the lens and scopes
[14:27] <bobweaver> just adding vala snipets here and there that is what I see
[14:28] <bobweaver> I am going to raise hell over on #ubuntu-unity and see if I can get anywhere with learning how a --force-tv would work
[14:28] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Don't raise HELL:)
[14:29] <bobweaver> lol
[16:09] <bobweaver> http://rochester.craigslist.org/sys/3222120230.html
[16:09] <bobweaver> am I cutting myself short ?
[16:11] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Give me one for free!
[16:11] <bobweaver> lol
[16:11] <bobweaver> maybe I will ask for $10 usd for all my old servers
[16:11] <bobweaver> they are p3
[16:12] <bobweaver> I should just toss them
[16:13] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Bye for now, sleep!
[16:17] <bobweaver> lol the harddrive that is in this thing is from a old tivo
[16:19] <bobweaver> I think that little fucker marked it as spam
[16:19] <tgm4883> !language
[16:19] <tgm4883> !slap popey
[16:22] <ogra_> undeserved !
[16:23] <bobweaver> sorry tgm4883  did not know that you where that sensitive
[16:23] <bobweaver> I will watch it
[16:23] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm not
[16:23] <tgm4883> but it violates the CoC
[16:23] <bobweaver> Oh
[16:23] <tgm4883> and if I have to follow the CoC in this channel, so does everyone else ;)
[16:23] <bobweaver> the thing that gets re-wrote daily
[16:24] <bobweaver> j/k
[16:24] <tgm4883> possibly, but that is one of the points that usually stays
[16:24] <bobweaver> dude I just found a syswtem 76 for 150 online
[16:24] <bobweaver> cragslist
[16:24] <bobweaver> also this http://rochester.craigslist.org/sys/3184638912.html
[16:24] <bobweaver> wish I would have waited
[16:25] <tgm4883> heh, that is the exact card I just took out of my backend
[16:25] <bobweaver> Sorry he droped the price to 120 Oo
[16:25] <bobweaver> System 76 Starling Linux netbook - $120
[16:25] <bobweaver> I better buy that
[16:25] <bobweaver> try for the trade first
[16:26] <bobweaver> Ubuntnu tv for it
[16:26] <bobweaver> passport or system 76 computer
[16:26] <bobweaver> passport or system 76 computer
[16:26] <bobweaver> umm.....
[16:26] <bobweaver> this is hard
[16:28] <tgm4883> bobweaver, do you have a laptop?
[16:28] <bobweaver> yeah I just bought it
[16:29] <tgm4883> bobweaver, have you used a netbook for an extended period of time?
[16:29] <bobweaver> but it is not a system 76
[16:29] <bobweaver> that is all I use besides the TV that is
[16:29] <bobweaver> I think that that is right
[16:29] <tgm4883> I'd probably stick with a laptop then
[16:29] <bobweaver> why do you say that ?
[16:29] <bobweaver> just wondering ?
[16:30] <bobweaver> see here is the thing
[16:30] <bobweaver> I do not think that I am going to be accepted for sponsorship
[16:30] <tgm4883> well, my situation probably differs from most other people. I've recently removed my desktop system (removed monitor/keyboard/mouse), leaving me only a netbook and tablet
[16:31] <tgm4883> the netbook isn't much fun to develop on, I think i'll have to plug a keyboard/mouse/monitor into it to do anything descent
[16:31] <tgm4883> keyboard is just too small
[16:31] <tgm4883> plus i've got the tablet for anything I'd usually use the netbook for anyway
[16:32] <tgm4883> bobweaver, regarding UDS, IDK when the signup ends ( mhall119 might know), but I don't think you'd be able to get a passport in time if you applied for the passport after being accepted to UDS
[16:32] <tgm4883> so it's a bit of a gamble
[16:32] <tgm4883> IIRC, takes 4-6 weeks for a passport?
[16:33] <mhall119> the time for applying for sponsorship ended on Monday, the engineering managers are voting on people now
[16:33] <tgm4883> ah
[16:33] <tgm4883> mhall119, so it's too late for me to send a bottle of bubbley to all the engineering managers?
[16:33] <mhall119> but tgm4883 is right, you should have your passport ready, don't wait on getting confirmation or you likely won't have enough time
[16:33] <mhall119> tgm4883: no, they are still voting.
[16:33] <mhall119> tgm4883: you'll want to next-day it though
[16:34] <tgm4883> I should have put that on my application
[16:34] <tgm4883> "will buy beer for all engineering managers at UDS if accepted"
[16:34] <bobweaver> phone
[16:52] <bobweaver> thanks mhall119
[16:53] <bobweaver> the only thing is is that I am super poor lol if I am to spend that money on passport and then not get in .....
[16:53] <bobweaver> I mean I guess I will have a passport
[16:53] <bobweaver> though
[16:54] <bobweaver> er spelling hard situation
[17:08] <mhall119> yeah, unfortuately a password is a pre-requisite, and they can sometimes take a long time to gt
[17:08] <mhall119> get
[17:08] <mhall119> the more time you have, though, the cheaper it is.  They charge more if you need it processed in a hurry
[17:58] <bobweaver> Wow the servers went fast I got like 10 or 15 emails for them in like 10 or 15 minutes time
[17:58] <bobweaver> http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/3222277583.html
[19:27] <bobweaver> So many options to weigh I am confused and my dev/null is about to explode !
[19:27] <bobweaver> :)
[20:04] <bobweaver> mhall119,  again thanks for the heads up. I have not heard back from the system 76 guy but I put a G away for my passport and travel (incase) I mihg tbe able to get overnight
[20:05] <bobweaver> s| mihg tbe| might be
[20:06] <bobweaver> If I can buy that will drop my savings to 880
[20:10] <mhall119> IIRC, my passport was < $100
[20:10] <mhall119> and if you get sponsored, Canonical will pay for your flight and hotel stay
[20:12] <mhall119> you'll need to pay out-of-pocket for meals (breakfast and lunch is provided on the days of UDS itself, and dinner to on some days), but you can file for reimbursement after the event
[20:12] <mhall119> you don't have to pay for provided meals, but you won't get reimbursed for meals that are provided, even if you choose to eat somewhere else
[20:13] <tgm4883> mhall119, you get per diem for dinner
[20:14] <tgm4883> or at least you used to
[20:14] <tgm4883> and.... now I've read your comment again
[20:14] <tgm4883> never mind me
[20:15] <mhall119> :)
[20:16] <mhall119> I usually assume lunch+dinner on the flight there, lunch+dinner on the flight back,and 2-3 dinners during the week
[20:17] <mhall119> though last UDS, I think dinner was provided all but one night
[20:17] <tgm4883> mhall119, in orlando it was because of the various events
[20:17] <tgm4883> pizza and stuff
[20:17] <mhall119> I was talking SF
[20:18] <mhall119> I drove home every night when it was in Orlando
[20:18] <tgm4883> yea I didn't go to Oakland
[20:18] <tgm4883> I didn't want to pack my 9
[20:18] <mhall119> it wasn't that bad
[20:18] <tgm4883> I know, I actually had just switched jobs so it was bad timing
[20:18] <mhall119> though we did have SWAT outside the hotel the day I arrived, on account of the Occupy protests
[20:19] <tgm4883> nice
[20:25] <jhodapp> my passport was about $90
[20:25] <tgm4883> mine was $120 a few weeks ago
[20:25] <tgm4883> it was my first one
[20:25] <jhodapp> must have raised the price
[20:25] <tgm4883> also, I hate the post office now
[20:25] <jhodapp> now? I always have
[20:25] <jhodapp> :)
[20:26] <tgm4883> s/now/more/
[20:26] <jhodapp> I usually get a smile when I go to FedEx/UPS, when I go to the post office I feel like I did something wrong the moment I set foot in the door
[20:32] <mhall119> tgm4883: did you pay for faster processing?
[20:32] <mhall119> IIRC, I had a $120 option to get it faster
[20:33] <tgm4883> mhall119, no, it's suppose to only take 4-6 weeks
[20:33] <mhall119> but I had enough time to go slow and cheap
[20:33] <mhall119> (relatively cheap anyway)
[20:33] <tgm4883> http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_837.html
[20:33] <mhall119> hmm, seems the did raise the price then
[22:25] <bobweaver> thansk agin to all
[22:25] <bobweaver> again
[22:27] <bobweaver> ang I was trowing out some out sofa's because we got new ones and slammed my hand on the wall so now my right hand is now purple and put it this way I have 5 fingers on my left that work great and 2 on right
[22:27] <bobweaver> well at least qwerty for left handers
[22:28] <bobweaver> I wish that this dude would get back to me about the system 76 I want it !!
[22:30] <bobweaver> that is great that canoincal pays for hotel I was going to go couchsurffing
[22:30] <bobweaver> well if it happens that is
[22:34] <bobweaver> man I really want to get that atom system76 and make it into my remote for my tv


[03:28] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm trying to use bzr to keep track of changes I make to /etc on my Ubuntu system. The problem is that I got a glob of changes that I would like to split in to a few different commits. The nice thing is that the changes that should be in different commits are in different files. Is there a way to do this?
[03:30] <lifeless> bzr commit path [path...]
[03:31] <abentley> SoftwareExplorer: You should also look into using etckeeper for this-- it was designed for maintaining /etc in bzr.
[03:31] <SoftwareExplorer> lifeless: Thanks!
[03:32] <SoftwareExplorer> abentley: Cool, another toy to try :)
[07:33] <vila> hi all
[09:17] <quicksilver> mgz, jelmer: this is what I did in the end:
[09:17] <quicksilver> (cd ../tree-with-toxic-file/; bzr diff -r1384..1385) | patch -p0; bzr commit --author "Original author <author@name>"  -m"$(cd ../tree-with-toxic-file; bzr log -r1385 | grep '^ ')"
[09:17] <quicksilver> repeated multiple times in a shell loop.
[09:17] <quicksilver> fortunately there weren't any merges to worry about, that makes it much worse.
[09:39] <mgz> morning
[10:05] <quicksilver> mgz: aha, I just said something to you before you logged on :)
[10:11] <wgz> ah, but I have it in the buffer here
[10:12] <wgz> glad that worked, but we really do need a proper way of doing that
[10:13] <wgz> enough people run into it that they shouldn't all need to do their own hacks.
[10:25] <quicksilver> wgz: yeah. also, for the record, my hack is wrong because it doesn't account for added files.
[10:25] <quicksilver> wgz: I should have added "bzr add $(bzr unknowns)" to each step
[10:26] <vila> quicksilver: not to mention renames...
[10:26] <quicksilver> wgz: and most importantly, my method totally fails to record merges correctly. I've done that before and it was a lot more hard work. Our local wiki (where I work) has a long page on how you might fix this kind of stuff
[10:26] <quicksilver> with various approachs which don't work.
[10:26] <quicksilver> bzr fast-export and bzr rebase are listed as two of the ones which apparently don't work :)
[10:27] <quicksilver> vila: yes indeed. renames like merges.
[10:27] <quicksilver> fortunately this was a fairly short piece of history and it was mostly just changes. I was just pleased to preserve the commit messages and atomicity.
[10:27]  * vila nods and agrees with wgz about better supporting that kind of operations
[10:28] <quicksilver> ok, reading my notes from last time
[10:28] <quicksilver> last time I used 'bzr replay'
[10:28] <quicksilver> that's pretty much the same as the diff/patch thing but better.
[10:28] <quicksilver> and for merges I used shelve.
[10:28] <quicksilver> (taht is, uncommit, shelve, manually copy shelf to dest tree, unshelve)
[10:29] <vila> +1 on moving shelves from one tree to another (with some care for the needed revisions)
[10:29] <quicksilver> but shelve only worked for simple merges
[10:29] <quicksilver> it failed on a fiddly one with multiple conflicts and renames and stuff
[10:29] <quicksilver> and I never worked out *why* it failed
[10:30] <quicksilver> fortunately I was able to work around that by, essentially, manually redoing that merge from the revid involved, which wasn't a "toxic" revid so it was OK.
[10:30] <vila> worth a bug report if you can reproduce but shelving a merge... won't track the merged parent I think (which may be an acceptable limitation)
[10:31] <quicksilver> vila: I wrote a pretty detailed post about it to the list last time
[10:31] <quicksilver> it was mostly warnocked. Too much to digest, I fear.
[10:31] <vila> yeah, I was about to mention this rang a bell
[10:32] <quicksilver> you helped me last time, yes
[10:32] <vila> yeah, and bug reports are better to track middle/long terms issues, posting to the mailing list is still valuable  though, thanks for that
[10:32] <quicksilver> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2010q1/066738.html
[10:32] <quicksilver> the problem was I didn't understand bzr well enough to be clear what a useful bug report was
[10:32] <quicksilver> I tried to explain in enough detail for other people to understand
[10:35] <vila> yup, the issue is also that you were using 2.0.3 and some of the things you refer to sound like bugs that were fixed in later version so it was a bit hard to split that into proper bugs
[10:35] <quicksilver> understood
[10:36] <quicksilver> I appreciate the difficulties and I've love to be more helpful but I always hit these problems when I'm on tight release schedules myself :(
[10:36] <vila> some memory issues have been solved, there is now a add.maximum_file_size config option (defaulting to 20MB) which may have avoid the issue entirely
[10:36] <quicksilver> I'm now using 2.1.0
[10:36] <quicksilver> what should I be using?
[10:36] <wgz> 2.4.2 would be nice.
[10:37] <wgz> but the core issues you highlight in that post are still relevent.
[10:37] <vila> 2.4 at least, 2.5b6 has just been made available and is the last beta before 2.5 becomes the new stable
[10:38] <quicksilver> I have a conservative tendency not to upgrade core tools if they aren't broken.
[10:38] <quicksilver> and now I have a criss-cross merge and I don't know why :-(
[10:41] <quicksilver> how can I track down where the criss-cross is and break this merge down more sensibly?
[10:41] <wgz> qlog makes pretties
[10:43]  * quicksilver inverstiages installing qbzr
[10:50]  * quicksilver is in a maze of twisty branches all alike
[10:55] <vila> quicksilver: that's where 'bzr qlog trunk branch1 branch2 branch3' really helps
[10:58] <quicksilver> if I have a criss-cross trying to merge A and B then each of A and B must have independently merged C, right?
[10:58] <quicksilver> and the solution is to go via C
[10:58] <quicksilver> if I can locate C.
[10:59] <vila> criss-cross merges are generally just a warning, unless you encounter bad merge results, you can probably just ignore them
[11:00] <vila> and if you encounter bad merge results, fixing them once is also generally enough
[11:00] <vila> if you do encounter them frequently, you may want to investigate your workflow though
[11:01]  * quicksilver nods
[11:01] <quicksilver> quite bad conflicts
[11:02] <vila> legit or spurious ?
[11:02] <quicksilver> I thought I might be able to improve things by unpicking
[11:05] <quicksilver> looks like the same change applied independently in A and B in some cases
[11:18] <quicksilver> vila: I was mostly intellectually curious as to how we'd got into this situation and if I could simplify the conflicts by unpicking. It's probably a rabbit-hole I should avoid.
[12:05] <quicksilver> bzr: ERROR: Unable to determine your name
[12:06] <quicksilver> eh? how could bzr suddenly forget my name?
[12:06] <quicksilver> where is this normally stored?
[12:06] <quicksilver> ah, the bzr version upgrade must have lost it
[12:07] <mgz> ...it should really find the same config file
[12:08] <quicksilver> upgraded from 2.1.0 to 2.4.2
[12:08] <mgz> if you run `bzr version` and `bzr config` it should have the same location and contents before and after (probably a bit late to check now)
[12:08] <quicksilver> Bazaar configuration: /Users/jules/.bazaar
[12:09] <quicksilver> that directory is empty except for my ignore file
[12:09] <jml> hey
[12:09] <jml> I was talking with a git user the other day
[12:09] <jml> and the way they described interactive commit (incl. diff hunk splitting) sounded really nice
[12:10] <jml> Does bzr have a diff hunk splitting thingy?
[12:10] <jml> And does it have an interactive commit? (I use shelve a lot)
[12:10] <quicksilver> shelve splits by hunks
[12:10] <quicksilver> you know that if you use it :)
[12:10] <jml> quicksilver: really?
[12:10] <mgz> hm. and do you have an existing file in %APPDATA%/bazaar/2.0/ instead?
[12:10] <quicksilver> I thought it did
[12:11] <mgz> you can hit 'e' in shelve if you have an editor configured
[12:11] <jml> quicksilver: as in, can you take an existing hunk and split that up with shelve?
[12:11] <mgz> it's like, the least discoverable thing ever.
[12:11] <jml> mgz: interesting, will try that out.
[12:12] <quicksilver> mgz: there are a couple of places that %APPDATA% might resolve to on a Mac. I'm poking around.
[12:12] <mgz> I think it needs to actually be as in `bzr config editor=` rather than just EDITOR=
[12:12] <mgz> quicksilver: whoops, mistook that for win 7 for some reason
[12:12] <mgz> the osx logic shouldn't have changed
[12:13] <mgz> it's bascially BZR_HOME or ~/.bazaar
[12:13] <mgz> so, if you had config in your home dir before bazaar should still see it
[12:13] <quicksilver> this is peculiar
[12:13] <quicksilver> I set up bzr about 7 years ago, I don't remember how I told it who I was :)
[12:14] <quicksilver> probably just by typing bzr whoami without worrying about it
[12:14] <quicksilver> although I can't remember if I made som eeffort to distinguish work repos from non-work repos
[12:14] <mgz> yeah, or maybe it just worked?
[12:14] <mgz> I'd be suprised if you had no config at all though
[12:14] <mgz> newer bzrs are a little stricter about how they get your identity
[12:15] <quicksilver> ah you know what, I never did set it up I think
[12:15] <quicksilver> old commits show my user ID as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <quicksilver> not with a real email
[12:16] <mgz> ah, yes, that's what the newer versions are trying to avoid
[12:16] <quicksilver> never bothered me personally since it was obviously me
[12:16] <quicksilver> but I can see people would prefer a real email address
[12:17] <quicksilver> would be nice to set whoami for a whole shared repo rather than one branch at a time
[12:18] <mgz> yup.
[12:18] <mgz> you can set a sensible global value though.
[12:19] <mgz> having a mix of different identities for different projects on the same machine is currently somewhat painful though
[12:23] <quicksilver> I've been compiling since vila convinced me to try qlog at 10:55
[12:23] <quicksilver> it's still working on Qt
[12:23] <quicksilver> I hate source distribution :P
[12:24] <mgz> eheh, surely there's an easier way to get qt there?
[12:24] <mgz> you're using a platform where you're not expected to do things for yourself.
[12:25] <quicksilver> mgz: dunno. I usually find macports is the best way to get open source software
[12:25] <quicksilver> apparently 'brew' is the new kid on the block.
[12:25] <quicksilver> but they both compile from source.
[12:25] <mgz> why not just run gentoo in a vm...
[12:26] <quicksilver> not sure that solves the source problem :)
[12:26] <mgz> seems like a masochistic approach
[12:26] <mgz> but I guess trying to do free software packaging on a mac means that's the kind of people they are
[12:27] <antonh> i am doing 'bzr commit' and my editor is launched. i am about to write a commit message and dont remember what i did so i open another terminal and type bzr status too see what i actually did
[12:27] <antonh> then bzr complains about bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "/path/to/file"
[12:27] <quicksilver> yeah.
[12:28] <quicksilver> that's why the default commit messages reminds you what has changed at the bottom?
[12:28] <mgz> antonh: bug 98836
[12:28] <mgz> ...bot?
[12:29] <antonh> quicksilver, yes only what files has changed, it gives no info about the diff
[12:29] <mgz> at any rate, that's a known issue with one bit of bzr, but it's not an easy change
[12:29] <quicksilver> antonh: yes. I now have the habit to always run diff first, and then commit.
[12:29] <quicksilver> C-x V = and then C-x V c
[12:30] <quicksilver> then I can compose my commit message browsing the diff in the other window
[12:30] <quicksilver> mgz: I'll be your bot! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/98836
[12:31] <mgz> thanks bot!
[12:33] <antonh> isn't it possible to perform a write lock on the file and let other processes have read access to the file?
[12:34] <antonh> isn't 'bzr status' a read-only operation?
[12:34] <quicksilver> not portably using the simplistic OS locks bzr is currently using
[12:34] <quicksilver> logically some way of differentiating read and write locks would go some way to solving the problem
[12:35] <antonh> okay, so there is only one kind of lock at the moment. and that lock covers up for both read and write
[12:36] <mgz> antonh: read the bug for the messy details, but basically the fancy stat cache can need updating whenever it looks at the tree
[12:36] <mgz> which is why it needs write access
[12:37] <mgz> so, entering the commit messsage shouldn't hold a lock, and st shouldn't really need to write lock, but that's how things work currently
[12:38] <antonh> yeah
[12:38] <antonh> if it was written in C i might have looked at it right away
[12:39] <mgz> it's really an issue with the design of dirstate, rather than something that's just a code problem, hence why it's stuck around as a problem
[12:40] <quicksilver> well I think you could scrap the lcok on starting commit couldn't you?
[12:40] <quicksilver> or collect the message first, at least
[12:41] <antonh> i guess your solution is the easiest quicksilver
[12:42] <antonh> actually it isn't 'bzr status' i want to do, it's 'bzr diff' but i think you realised that :)
[12:44] <mgz> antonh: the easy thing for you to do is just `bzr alias ci="commit -p"` or similar
[12:44] <mgz> so you always have the diff
[12:45] <antonh> oh cool
[12:47] <kise> Newbie question: In Bazaar, is there any difference between "bzr mv ..." and "bzr rm ...; bzr add ..."?
[12:49] <jelmer> kise: yes, that would add a completely new file
[12:49] <jelmer> kise: if you 'bzr rm', then 'bzr add' you can use 'bzr mv --auto' to make it detect renames
[12:50] <kise> jelmer: Thanks. Ok, then let me explain a problem I have.
[12:50] <kise> I had a folder named "extra" with many subfolders and did the following:
[12:50] <kise> 1) I rearranged rearranged them manually into "extra/cpp" and "extra/python".
[12:50] <kise> 2)"bzr add"
[12:50] <kise> Now Bazaar shows all the subfolders as "removed" and then "added".
[12:50] <kise> I thought it would be better if they appeared as "moved" but don't know how to do it.
[12:50] <kise> "bzr mv --auto" does not detect anything.
[12:50] <kise> Any suggestions?
[12:51] <jelmer> kise: hmm, are there more changes to the files than just their move?
[12:51] <kise> No
[12:51] <jelmer> I'm not sure why 'bzr mv --auto' doesn't work then
[12:51] <mgz> `bzr mv --after` will let you fix up stuff now
[12:52] <kise> jelmer: 'bzr mv --after' means I have to do it for every subfolder I moved manually?
[12:52] <jelmer> kise: yes
[12:52] <mgz> if there are hundreds that might be annoying, but if you didn't also rename the dirs it's amienable to scripting
[12:53] <mgz> bash one liner someone? :)
[12:53] <kise> I see. Thanks for the suggestion. Will try my hand at Python :)
[12:55] <kise> Sorry, a related question. While trying to use the "--after" switch I found this:
[12:55] <kise> bzr mv xtra/unused-cpp xtra/cpp/unused-cpp --after
[12:55] <kise> bzr: ERROR: Could not move to unused-cpp: xtra/cpp/unused-cpp is not versioned.
[12:55] <kise> Do I need to add first all directories with "add --no-recurse"?
[12:56] <mgz> what does switching --after to --auto do in that case?
[12:56] <jelmer> kise: yep
[12:58] <kise> Uhm, I see. Anyway tried switching --after to --auto and bzr complained:
[12:58] <kise> $ bzr mv xtra/unused-cpp xtra/cpp/unused-cpp --auto
[12:58] <kise> bzr: ERROR: Only one path may be specified to --auto.
[12:58] <kise> Seems like I will have to do it through scripting.
[12:59] <kise> Thank you very much, jelmer and mgz ;)
[12:59] <jelmer> it's a bit odd that 'bzr mv --auto' doesn't work thoughj
[13:00] <kise> It has happened to me several times. T_T I don't know why either. I use Bazaar 2.4.
[13:00] <kise> Never anyone had this experience?
[13:01] <jelmer> kise: 'bzr mv --auto' seems to work fine for me
[13:01] <jelmer> kise: I don't use it often though, usually I just use 'bzr mv' when I move files
[13:02] <kise> I see. Thanks anyway! ;)
[13:02] <jelmer> kise: if you hit this again, please file a bug
[13:02] <kise> Ok
[14:19] <quicksilver> vila: qbzr finally installed :)
[14:19] <vila> quicksilver: \o/
[14:22] <quicksilver> you know I hate GUI tools
[14:22] <quicksilver> but I can see some neat things here
[14:22] <quicksilver> what are the colours in qblame? "freshness" of the change?
[14:23] <mgz> hue is who, intensity is how recently
[14:24]  * quicksilver nods
[14:24] <quicksilver> what would be better, of course, is an emacs mode with the same functionality :) but this is cool.
[14:52] <quicksilver> hmm no bzr qmerge --preview
[14:55] <mgz> see bug 415232
[14:56] <mgz> or the bug linked from there for more.
[15:02] <vila> quicksilver: AIUI emacs provides something (but we had feature requests to make it faster)
[15:02] <vila> quicksilver: the default vc mode is where this is defined (IIRC)
[15:03] <quicksilver> vila: well I use dvc for quite a lot but it doesn't have sepcific support for merge --preview
[15:03] <quicksilver> vila: however it's simple enough to do M-! bzr merge --preview ../other-branch
[15:03] <vila> err, sorry, I thought you were talking about annotate
[15:03] <quicksilver> vila: and then M-x diff-mode in that buffer
[15:03] <vila> yup
[15:03] <vila> I use that Heavily
[15:04] <quicksilver> bonus points for C-x C-q to put it in read-only mode
[15:04] <quicksilver> which makes the keybindings more useful.
[15:04] <vila> hmm
[15:04] <vila> but that means C-c C-s (split-hunk) does not work anymore ?
[15:07] <quicksilver> didn't know that one
[16:01] <vila> quicksilver: very handy to revert part of a change
[16:09] <quicksilver> vila: yes I must admit I generally do that by hand
[16:09] <quicksilver> vila: and then re-check the diff to see I did it right.
[16:10] <vila> Yeah, I did that before I discover it, I never looked back ;) Of course it works for *applying* part of a change too (if you M-x cd to the right directory)
[17:11] <quicksilver> http://search.cpan.org/dist/VCI/ looks interesting
[17:11] <quicksilver> but I can't see that it's data model knows what a 'merge' is.
[17:11] <quicksilver> although it mostly supports VCSes which understand merging.
[17:36] <quicksilver> does anyone know offhand if there is a way to turn a revid into a loggerhead URL?
[17:37] <quicksilver> /branch-name/changes/34.1.2 is a valid URL for a dotted revision number
[17:38] <quicksilver> /branch-name/changes/revid:blah doesn't work though
[18:00] <quicksilver> ah well it turns out we're using a version of loggerhead which has a bug on that kind of URL anyway
[18:00] <quicksilver> c'est la vie
[18:24] <tronhammer> halo?
[18:25] <tronhammer> hey I had a general security question
[18:26] <tronhammer> I don't feel comfortable with out bzr stores my password in plaintext, so I modified the bzrlib/transport/http/_urllib2_wrappers.py :: get_user_password to grab the password from a file on the system
[18:27] <tronhammer> the file I made is a c program that when executed, checks the md5 of the bzrlib/transport/http/_urllib2_wrappers.pyc file, and if it matches the one that was given at the creation of the file, it prints out the password
[18:27] <tronhammer> does anyone see anything glaringly wrong with this approach?
[18:30] <tronhammer> oh, that's supposed to say "comfortable with how*"
[18:34] <mgz> tronhammer: I take it you're using https?
[18:34] <tronhammer> yeah
[18:35] <tronhammer> also, count out c decompilers of coarse, those aren't a concern
[18:36] <tronhammer> more issued with lunch time attacks
[18:36] <mgz> there are some neater password stores that integrate with some OS things
[18:36] <mgz> but that depends on you using an OS with one of them
[18:36] <tronhammer> hm, that's a good point, could use keyring for lion
[18:37] <tronhammer> keychain*
[18:42] <mgz> tronhammer: http://www.szakmeister.net/blog/2010/mar/9/bzr-keychain/
[18:43] <tronhammer> awesome, great find!
[18:43] <tronhammer> thanks
[19:15] <damd||> d:\repos\emacs-trunk>bzr pull
[19:15] <damd||> Using saved parent location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:15] <damd||> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bzr.savannah.gnu.org; [Errno 10013] An attempt was made to access a socket in a way forbidden by its access permissions
[19:15] <damd||> how do i fix this? :|
[19:19] <LarstiQ> damd||: can you pastebin the corresponding traceback from .bzr.log? `bzr --version` will tell you where to find the log file
[19:19] <LarstiQ> !pastebin
[19:20] <LarstiQ> hmm
[19:20] <LarstiQ> !paste
[19:20] <LarstiQ> meh
[19:21] <damd||> i'm attempting to upgrade bzr, but hold on if you have time, thanks!
[19:25] <damd||> here is the log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nYnKvQeM
[19:30] <damd||> brb
[19:31] <LarstiQ> damd: that error seems to come from somewhere underlying bzr (either the ssh provider or the os)
[19:32] <LarstiQ> damd: googling for the "An attempt ..." bit comes up with some hits
[19:32] <damd> yeah, i figured... i'm using pageant to serve the keys, i'm just guessing that bzr knows that i want plink to take care of SSH
[19:32] <LarstiQ> damd: yeah
[19:33] <LarstiQ> damd: do you have a firewall that could cause this maybe?
[19:34] <damd> no, i don't have a firewall, unless "microsoft security essentials" provides one
[19:34] <LarstiQ> damd: it does afaik (or builtin to windows itself)
[19:34] <damd> apparently i had the windows default firewall turned on, but turning it off didn't help
[19:35] <damd> turning off real-time protection in security essentials didn't help either
[19:36] <LarstiQ> damd: the other thing that comes up in google hits is that something else is already using the port the application tries to bind to
[19:36] <LarstiQ> but that doesn't make much sense in this case
[19:37] <damd> i'll try restarting the computer... :P
[19:42] <LarstiQ> damd: did that work?
[19:42] <damd> haven't tried just yet, hold on
[19:43] <damd> i'm afraid it didn't :/
[19:43] <LarstiQ> ok
[19:44] <damd> it's really weird, because it worked the last time i tried it, which was a few months ago
[19:44] <damd> i really haven't touched bzr since
[19:44] <LarstiQ> damd: right, might not be bzr itself that changed though
[19:45] <damd> you're right
[19:45] <LarstiQ> damd: you mentioned you tried to upgrade it now?
[19:45] <damd> yeah, i uninstalled bzr 2.3.1 (if i recall correctly) and installed the current 2.3.x stable
[19:45] <damd> 2.3.4 i think it was
[19:45] <damd> i used the standalone installer
[19:46] <LarstiQ> damd: not that I think it would solve it, but any reason not to use 2.4? (Or a 2.5 beta if you want to try that)
[19:47] <damd> when i tried to start the 2.4 stable installer, nothing happened, when i tried to start it from total commander, total commander just hanged
[19:47]  * LarstiQ blinks
[19:48] <damd> so did i :P
[19:49] <LarstiQ> damd: well, that's a reason :)
[19:49] <damd> :)
[19:49] <LarstiQ> damd: could you maybe try a different ssh provider?
[19:50] <damd> i'm not sure which one that would be, i've only ever used the putty suite
[19:51] <LarstiQ> paramiko is bundled with the standalone bzr installer I believe
[19:51]  * LarstiQ looks up how to tell bzr to use it
[19:51] <damd> my first guess would be BZR_SSH
[19:52] <LarstiQ> yeah
[19:53] <LarstiQ> maybe we should just try BZR_SSH=paramiko instead of me reading the code
[19:53] <LarstiQ> right, 'paramiko' or 'none'
[19:53] <damd> i can't find paramiko on my system
[19:53] <LarstiQ> brb
[19:54] <LarstiQ> damd: it's a python implementation, would be in with the bzr executable afaik
[19:54] <damd> oh
[19:54] <damd> well, same error
[19:54] <damd> d:\repos\emacs>set BZR_SSH
[19:54] <damd> BZR_SSH=paramiko
[19:56] <LarstiQ> bah
[19:57] <LarstiQ> damd: can you ssh in to rule out any problems with putty?
[19:57] <LarstiQ> or well
[19:58] <LarstiQ> problems indepedent of bzr
[19:58] <LarstiQ> 11
[19:58] <LarstiQ> woops
[19:59] <damd> in putty i get "network error: permission denied"
[20:00] <LarstiQ> damd: can we get more verbosity from putty?
[20:00] <damd> i have no idea to be honest
[20:04] <LarstiQ> damd: everything I can dig up keeps pointing at firewalls :/
[20:06] <damd> yeah, thanks a lot for the effort though
[20:07] <damd> you've done way more than i hoped for
[20:07] <LarstiQ> damd: np. I wish I could solve it
[20:08] <damd> luckily it's not that big of a deal
[20:08] <LarstiQ> damd: ok then :)
[20:46] <LarstiQ> damd: it occurs to me that perhaps it is a roundabout way of saying the equivalent of the openssh "Permission denied (publickey)."
[21:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hi all. can bzr import{dsc,tar} import only the debian/ directory from a package?
[22:22] <mathrick> hmm, is it normal that I see bzr 2.5b leaving locks all over the place when I Ctrl+C it?
[22:22] <mathrick> win32 here
[22:23] <lifeless> not expected no
[22:23] <mathrick> then I'm seeing it do that pretty much every time
[22:25] <lifeless> file a bug?