[14:57] <cyphermox> IdleOne: poke
[14:58] <IdleOne> cyphermox: ^
[14:58] <cyphermox> ahah
[14:58] <cyphermox> ouch
[14:58] <IdleOne> careful where you poke me. I might like it
[14:58] <cyphermox> haha
[14:58] <cyphermox> busy tonight?
[14:58] <IdleOne> I'm going to try and be there
[14:58] <IdleOne> 3rd floor like last time?
[14:58] <cyphermox> ok
[14:58] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:59] <cyphermox> somewhere upstairs
[14:59] <IdleOne> cool.
[14:59] <cyphermox> that's usually completely free of people
[14:59] <cyphermox> doko and barry might join us
[14:59] <IdleOne> I did my exam for class 6 yesterday :)
[14:59] <IdleOne> theory
[15:00] <cyphermox> nice!
[15:00] <cyphermox> I should register for this very very soon
[15:00] <IdleOne> I got my 6R. Now I can do my practice with the school :)
[15:00] <cyphermox> how long does it take for the classes?
[15:00] <IdleOne> 2 weekends
[15:00] <cyphermox> oh, that's not too bad
[15:00] <IdleOne> 22 hours
[15:00] <cyphermox> like, two saturdays?
[15:00] <cyphermox> oh, two actual full weekends
[15:01] <IdleOne> yes
[15:01] <cyphermox> yikes
[15:01] <cyphermox> maybe I can convince Catou to take it too
[15:01] <cyphermox> then she will have her stuff for a tricycle ;)
[15:01] <IdleOne> hehe
[15:01] <cyphermox> hmm
[15:01] <IdleOne> I still need to go get my helmet :(
[15:02] <cyphermox> so I should register very very soon then, and get this done and over with before my next travel
[15:02] <cyphermox> not many weekends left until end of may
[15:02] <IdleOne> technic $735
[15:02] <IdleOne> tax inluded
[15:02] <cyphermox> 735 that's everything no?
[15:02] <IdleOne> yes
[15:02] <IdleOne> well, the courses
[15:03] <cyphermox> theory?
[15:03] <IdleOne> theory and practice
[15:03] <IdleOne> 9 hours of theory, 22 hours of practice
[15:03] <IdleOne> brb
[15:04] <cyphermox> oh, ok
[15:04] <cyphermox> well then it's probably possible to pay in installments
[15:08] <IdleOne> back, and yes you can pay in two instalments
[15:10] <IdleOne> I did half when I signed up and the other half I will pay when I start my practice (2 weeks?)
[22:33] <IdleOne> cyphermox: ping
[22:33] <IdleOne> I'm leaving the house now
[22:34] <MagicFab> IdleOne, o/
[22:34] <IdleOne> MagicFab: :) you there too?
[22:35] <MagicFab> IdleOne, no, at http://agendadulibre.qc.ca/event/901/
[22:35] <IdleOne> ah ok
[22:35]  * IdleOne is out
[22:35] <IdleOne> talk to you soon
[22:36] <MagicFab> decisions, decisions..
[22:44] <Ankman> meh


[20:20] <rmarcelino> Hello everyone
[20:21] <rmarcelino> I could use a bit of assistance please.
[20:21] <rmarcelino> I am the IT manager for 3 school campuses.. and would like to use Ubuntu in our computer labs
[20:21] <ahoneybun> highvoltage: around?
[20:22] <rmarcelino> Edubuntu to be exact
[20:22] <rmarcelino> I think they are off honey
[20:22] <rmarcelino> =)
[20:22] <ahoneybun> yea timezones
[20:22] <rmarcelino> no worries
[20:23] <rmarcelino> I appreciate you helping me out
[20:23] <ahoneybun> of course
[20:23] <rmarcelino> From what I gather Edubuntu is very similar to the Ubuntu....
[20:23] <ahoneybun> it is based on it
[20:23] <rmarcelino> I just need help getting things so the kids cant mess with anything they are not supposed to
[20:24] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:24] <rmarcelino> We already have a content filter in place for web etc...
[20:24] <ahoneybun> by default they will need the password to install things anyway
[20:24] <rmarcelino> yes and thats a good thing
[20:25] <rmarcelino> how do you make sure they cant make any systems or prefernce changes
[20:25] <ahoneybun> you can change the password so it is root so they can login and such but need the root password to do any changes
[20:25] <ahoneybun> I'm looking now
[20:25] <rmarcelino> yeah I have an admin account setup and a separate student account
[20:25] <ahoneybun> http://askubuntu.com/questions/51073/locking-down-systems-in-a-computer-lab-school-for-orphans
[20:26] <ahoneybun> bit old but worth a shot
[20:26] <rmarcelino> nice!
[20:26] <rmarcelino> reading it now
[20:26] <ahoneybun> ACL is setting getting updates
[20:27] <rmarcelino> I love our kids... but they seem to find ways around security
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I know the feeling lol
[20:28] <rmarcelino> is there a way to not allow running programs from a USB stick?  we are having issues with them using ultrasurf to get to pornography
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I got around the blocker once
[20:28] <ahoneybun> damn man that is hardcore
[20:29] <ahoneybun> I mean you can just run things from usb on Linux
[20:29] <rmarcelino> yep  I am thinking a couple students have ultra surf on a key drive and using that to get to things they should not
[20:29] <ahoneybun> other then a script
[20:29] <ahoneybun> that is a exe file
[20:29] <ahoneybun> so it will not run on Linux lol
[20:30] <ahoneybun> there will always be proxy servers
[20:30] <rmarcelino> lol  yes I knew that!
[20:30] <ahoneybun> can't block them all
[20:30] <ahoneybun> I once got pass the block by using the IP address of the website
[20:31] <ahoneybun> not the DNS one
[20:31] <rmarcelino> one of the reasons I want to move to a linux image... it prevents most of the abuses
[20:31] <ahoneybun> ye
[20:31] <rmarcelino> heh I have to explain a bit
[20:31] <rmarcelino> this is not a typical campus
[20:31] <ahoneybun> I mean they could ssh to a server and use it as a tunnel
[20:31] <ahoneybun> but just turn off the ssh port lol
[20:31] <ahoneybun> I can tell
[20:31] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:32] <rmarcelino> When protective services takes a kids from an unsafe situation, they come to live on our campus
[20:32] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:32] <rmarcelino> or when a kid has a choice to go to jail or come here
[20:32] <rmarcelino> we have alot of unhappy kids here that dont want to be
[20:32] <ahoneybun> Orphans?
[20:32] <rmarcelino> some...
[20:32] <ahoneybun> I see
[20:32] <rmarcelino> sadly
[20:32] <ahoneybun> it is
[20:32] <rmarcelino> so they will try to contact people on the outside to coordinate escapes
[20:33] <rmarcelino> or they go out of the way to wreck things for other people
[20:33] <ahoneybun> damn sounds like they think it is a prison
[20:33] <rmarcelino> I am sure they feel like that
[20:33] <ahoneybun> I have no doubt it is better then what it really is out there
[20:33] <rmarcelino> the school itself and the teachers here are great, they just have a hard job
[20:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:34] <rmarcelino> so I want to make sure the kids have the tools they need to study and be successful, but I have to make sure they can't mess with the computers
[20:34] <rmarcelino> because they will set everything to black so you cant see the screen
[20:34] <rmarcelino> or bright red/yellow to make it hard to look at
[20:34] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:34] <rmarcelino> stuff like that
[20:35] <rmarcelino> if memory serves me, its possible to set linux up to prevent that kind of behavior
[20:35] <rmarcelino> That and most of these kids are not familiar with linux so it will be harder for them to mess it up
[20:36] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:36] <rmarcelino> heh  you laught =)
[20:36] <rmarcelino> laugh even
[20:36] <ahoneybun> they learn from messing things up
[20:36] <rmarcelino> but I have to pit my meager IT skills against 350 teenage boys desire to find porn
[20:37] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:37] <rmarcelino> My biggest challenge to be honest is getting the time to get things setup properly
[20:37] <ahoneybun> are you in florida?
[20:37] <rmarcelino> Arizona actually
[20:37] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:38] <rmarcelino> Why I am here asking for ideas and help
[20:38] <ahoneybun> how did you end up in the Florida room then?
[20:38] <rmarcelino> no idea...
[20:38] <ahoneybun> werid lol
[20:38] <ahoneybun> *weird
[20:38] <rmarcelino> but it worked out well though!
[20:39] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:39] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:39] <rmarcelino> So really, the base install of the edubuntu should do most of what I need then??
[20:39] <rmarcelino> except the memory stick issue
[20:40] <ahoneybun> I mean unless they start writing scripts
[20:40] <rmarcelino> just setup a non-admin student account and they wont be able to install anything
[20:40] <ahoneybun> but if the libs and bins are not installed to run the scripts they are usless
[20:40] <rmarcelino> is there a way to lock down screen and desktop settings?
[20:40] <ahoneybun> they will not be able to without the root/admin password
[20:41] <rmarcelino> OK
[20:41] <ahoneybun> btw for what you want to do, always stick to the LTS
[20:41] <rmarcelino> Thanks for the help...
[20:41] <ahoneybun> long term support
[20:42] <ahoneybun> I'm still looking around as well
[20:42] <rmarcelino> OK
[20:42] <rmarcelino> LTS thats the stable versions right?
[20:42] <rmarcelino> not the nightlies
[20:42] <ahoneybun> well everyone is marked as stable
[20:43] <ahoneybun> LTS get 5 years of support
[20:43] <ahoneybun> the other ones get 9 months
[20:43] <rmarcelino> ahh
[20:43] <ahoneybun> with a new version every 6 months
[20:44] <rmarcelino> I am trying to see what I still need to learn to support this
[20:44] <rmarcelino> so I need something relatively easy to implement for now...
[20:44] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:44] <ahoneybun> I know I saw another Ubuntu distro aimed for Students
[20:45] <rmarcelino> I am also the person that does all the network, server, desktop support and programming also
[20:45] <ahoneybun> wow
[20:45] <rmarcelino> so brain is pretty fried =)
[20:45] <ahoneybun> I see
[20:45] <rmarcelino> heh
[20:45] <rmarcelino> its all good though
[20:45] <rmarcelino> I used to know linux and I like it alot
[20:46] <rmarcelino> the new versions are incredibly polished compared to what I used to know
[20:46] <ahoneybun> Yep
[20:46] <rmarcelino> I remember trying to setup xwindows and having to specify how far over to draw the screen
[20:46] <ahoneybun> damn
[20:46] <rmarcelino> ah well  am reminiscing now
[20:48] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:48] <rmarcelino> gonna get back to fixing my vmware server now *sigh*
[20:48] <rmarcelino> Thanks again for the advice
[20:48] <ahoneybun> np again
[20:48] <rmarcelino> May pop into the florida room sometime and say hi again!
[20:49] <ahoneybun> I'll be around to hey back lo


[16:25] <nhandler> FYI, it looks like http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade needs an upgrade (both the text and screenshots)


[13:51] <BikerMike> Hi. Is there a way to install Xubuntu in Win10 like how WUBI did for Ubuntu some time back? The BIOS key on the keyboard doesn't work so I can't boot off USB :(
[13:59] <brainwash> BikerMike: try this https://www.windowscentral.com/how-enter-uefi-bios-windows-10-pcs
[14:02] <BikerMike> thanks brainwash, will do
[19:54] <hansh_> why is xubuntu 20.04 fetching updates over http by default?
[19:54] <hansh_> with package signing, the security offered by httpS is largely redundant and http use less cpu? :p
[19:54] <hansh_> or what's the justification?
[19:55] <hansh_> (just installed a fresh Xubuntu 20.04 from the official iso, and to my surprise it fetches updates over http)
[20:00] <brainwash> hansh_: you couldn't find an answer for that?
[20:00] <hansh_> brainwash, i haven't found an answer to that yet, why?
[20:00] <hansh_> is it trivial to google the answer or something?
[20:02] <hansh_> brainwash, at least the first 9 results didn't seem to contain the answer, https://i.imgur.com/fGv3l3n.png
[20:02] <brainwash> oh hmm
[20:03] <brainwash> whydoesaptnotusehttps.com was hijacked/sold :(
[20:06] <brainwash> apparently you can manually switch to https and it still should work
[20:06] <brainwash> by adjusting the sources.list
[20:07] <brainwash> in any case, it's not something specific to Xubuntu
[20:09] <hansh_> and why is http the default?
[20:09] <hansh_> for one, HTTPS would protect your privacy. with http, any MITM attacker can see what packages you install.
[20:11] <hansh_> HTTPS might even protect the whole fact that you're using Xubuntu (probably doesn't, but it could be set up that way if it was behind a generic CDN and TLS1.3)
[20:11] <hansh_> (that's part of the reason why The Great Firewall of China blocks TLS1.3...)
[20:11] <brainwash> I'm not here to discuss that
[20:11] <hansh_> kk, but can someone give me an answer? why Xubuntu's apt configured to use HTTP by default?
[20:12] <brainwash> the answer is: because Ubuntu is configured this way
[20:12] <hansh_> i see, thanks
[20:12] <brainwash> Xubuntu is built on top of the Ubuntu base
[20:13] <brainwash> that is why this channel is not the right place to discuss this matter
[20:14] <hansh_> yeah after you told me "the answer is: because Ubuntu is configured this way", i decided to take the question to #Ubuntu
[20:14] <brainwash> alright :)
[20:14] <hansh_> (there's a chance the answer is "because Debian is configured that way", in which case, eventually i may take the question to #Debian, who knows)
[20:26] <hansh_> (in case any1's curious, here's the reason Ubuntu is configured that way: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1168866 )
[23:52] <syb0rg> hi guys. Any way to prevent xfce from screwing up my window placement when I turn my monitors off and back on?


[06:24] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[06:30] <urbanslug> Kilos: :)
[06:31] <Kilos> hi urbanslug
[09:06] <CraigZim> Hi Kilos
[09:21] <Kilos> hi CraigZim and all other peeps in africa


[02:12] <studio-user101> hello people
[05:45] <studio-user722> Hello Word =:D
[05:47] <studio-user722> Have Ubuntu a good compatibility driver with Creative Sound Blaster Z card?


[18:00] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:22] <olly> morning
[20:30] <mwhudson> morning
[20:32] <hads> morning
[21:21] <chilts> morning


[21:08] <porkstore> yeah i read that too but not about dolphin
[21:08] <ubuntu-mate> OK. Was just testing connectivity. Have a great weekend all!
[21:08] <porkstore> hmmmm
[21:08] <porkstore> whatever dolphin is
[21:08] <reisio> porkstore: gnome classic file manager, what's that?
[21:08] <tgm4883> ubuntu-mate: please do so elsewhere
[21:08] <reisio> ubuntu-mate: y tu
[21:08] <kholby> Okay, mounting it with mount -t cifs works
[21:08] <porkstore> reisio - you seem to be trolling
[21:08] <reisio> kholby: grand
[21:09] <reisio> kholby: do you want them always mounted, then, or only on-demand?
[21:09] <reisio> porkstore: hi
[21:09] <tgm4883> if reisio was trolling, I think that would be a sign on the appocolypse
[21:09] <porkstore> salam
[21:10] <kholby> reisio:  Always mounted would be fine for this particular share, but there are others I would like to mount occasionally.
[21:10] <porkstore> asking a question you more or less already know the answer to just to make some kind of point is trolling
[21:10] <porkstore> so it seems that is what was going on
[21:10] <reisio> tgm4883: agreed
[21:10] <porkstore> which is why i didn't answer directly
[21:10] <reisio> porkstore: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22gnome%20classic%20file%20manager%22
[21:10] <reisio> do you mean GNOME 2's version of Nautilus?
[21:11] <porkstore> i don't click troll links
[21:11] <reisio> hehehe
[21:11] <porkstore> but yeah
[21:11] <reisio> okay, nice talking with you
[21:11] <tgm4883> porkstore: well I legit don't know what "gnome classic file manager" is either
[21:11] <porkstore> yes you do
[21:11] <netmanbug> anyone here know the intricacies of network-manager? i use it to connect to my VPN and my VPN's DNS nameservers just get added to /etc/resolv.conf instead of replacing those of my ISP
[21:11] <reisio> tgm4883: yes you do!
[21:11] <netmanbug> suggested workarounds like disabling dnsmasq or enabling the update-resolv-conf helper script does not work
[21:11] <porkstore> you totally intuited that i was talking about the default file manager in gnome classic
[21:11] <porkstore> so you are actually lying
[21:12] <Guest83455> I think that he means he has gnome 3 installed but it changing the DE to gnome classic at the login screen. As in gnome-fallback in other distros
[21:12] <porkstore> i think they are calling it gnome fall back or something now
[21:12] <porkstore> or throw back
[21:13] <Guest83455> It's the default desktop for cent os :D
[21:13] <tgm4883> porkstore: no, I actually don't know what Gnome Classic is. I thought that was a project that started up after Gnome moved from 2 to 3, but I thought it was discontinued many years ago
[21:13] <reisio> thinking is for people who are willing to have their time wasted while people don't just answer their simple questions :)
[21:13] <k1l_> porkstore: that is still nautilus
[21:13] <porkstore> cool, i don't like the new style looking like my computer is a smart phone
[21:13] <reisio> porkstore: you aren't alone :)
[21:14] <tgm4883> There's cinnamon, which I hear is more like the old gnome 2
[21:14] <porkstore> that's good but the problem is ..
[21:14] <porkstore> since i upgraded ubuntu ..
[21:14] <k1l_> but gnome stipped some features out of nautilus, no matter what desktop is using nautilus.
[21:14] <Guest83455> porkstore You should check out mate, xfce and openbox. They are more traditional desktop envs
[21:14] <porkstore> i can't get tree view on the left hand column of my file manager
[21:14] <kholby> What can I do to debug the Nautilus authentication issue?
[21:14] <reisio> porkstore: if I were you, I would switch to Xfce; it has a _far superior_ history of not betraying its end users
[21:15] <reisio> it also greatly resembles GNOME 2 out of the box
[21:15] <porkstore> Guest83455 - i have seen xfce before but i like gnome classic, should i stop using it ?
[21:15] <reisio> and can easily resemble any DE/configuration
[21:15] <OerHeks> How do i remotely turn off a printer w cups?
[21:15] <k1l_> guys you are discussing  a total different issue.
[21:15] <porkstore> i see
[21:15] <reisio> anything that isn't GNOME 3 is going to suffer from maintenance issues
[21:15] <reisio> any (GNOME) thing, that is
[21:15] <tgm4883> lol
[21:15] <porkstore> yeah i read that some guy just decided to phase out the tree view
[21:15] <reisio> there are many such decisions with GNOME, yeah :/
[21:16] <Guest83455> porkstore Gnome project is doing away with it. Or at least they want to. They only reason they haven't is distro's like cent os and tails still stuck on it.
[21:16] <porkstore> maybe he had to do it
[21:16] <porkstore> since all the cool guys are using xfce, i dont know
[21:16]  * reisio shrugs
[21:17] <Soul_Sample> is there a way to make gnome's tracker/indexer behave? maybe it's becuse I installed gnome on ubuntu, or it's broken overall, but when I search from the gnome's "dash", it takes 20 seconds to find any files, and cpu spikes to 100% on the tracker process "tracker"
[21:17] <reisio> as far as I'm concerned, it _can_ do all the things GNOME 2 & 3 can do, but is more familiar to GNOME 2 users out of the box
[21:17] <reisio> and is very non-awful each update as far as preserving the way things have been
[21:17] <OerHeks> with such rare conditions, i would advise ubuntu-mate
[21:17] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:17] <k1l_> Soul_Sample: usually the tracker once scans the whole system and is then faster to display the results
[21:18] <Soul_Sample> yeah, I left it for about an hour and it stopped now, but is still really slow to find anything
[21:18] <Soul_Sample> applications instantly pop up, but files take forever
[21:18] <twizsted> netmanbug, once again ubuntu "support" channel is shit talking with themselves instead of helping fellow users, is this your problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1211110
[21:18] <porkstore> does this mean that ubuntu itself is not the best distro to be using
[21:18] <tgm4883> porkstore: how would that mean that?
[21:19] <porkstore> i mean why would a cool distro only support desktops that are weird
[21:19] <porkstore> if they want to phase out classic gnome
[21:19] <porkstore> what does that say about ubuntu
[21:19] <k1l_> !ot | porkstore
[21:19] <reisio> I honestly didn't see MATE lasting as long as it has, but the progress of time has only confirmed my initial suspicions: they're having trouble maintaining the code base
[21:19] <tgm4883> oh geez, so much misinformation
[21:19] <reisio> porkstore: it says that ubuntu doesn't maintain that code base, they only build it for end users
[21:19] <tgm4883> reisio: IMHO, they have a "oh new shiny" problem
[21:20] <Guest83455> Get that ubuntu-mate guy back here to tell you how great it is :P
[21:20] <k1l_> porkstore: reisio and others, lets focus on technical support. its unfair for other user seeking technical support if you flood this cahnnel with offtopic
[21:20] <netmanbug> twizsted: 100%, whatever nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf are used for DNS resolution so after i connect to the vpn, can i simply "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf" and get rid of my ISP's nameservers?
[21:20] <reisio> distros simply do not have the developers to maintain all the 3rd party software they can make available
[21:20] <reisio> tgm4883: MATE have?
[21:20] <tgm4883> k1l_: +1
[21:20] <tgm4883> reisio: porkstore I suggest we move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[21:20] <tgm4883> reisio: yes
[21:20] <reisio> mmm, sorry not that interested
[21:20] <reisio> :)
[21:21] <tgm4883> reisio: fair enough
[21:22] <OerHeks> Still, i have no slightest idea myself: How do i remotely turn off a printer w cups?
[21:24] <reisio> OerHeks: if you can at all, I'd imagine the webUI would allow it
[21:24] <reisio> save you the trouble of finding a command
[21:26] <guampa> when using an encrypted home directory, is it possible to trigger a bind mount on a directory right after login and cryptmount?
[21:26] <OerHeks> The webui does not give any, just powersaving which does not turn the printer off after x time
[21:27] <reisio> guampa: anything's possible
[21:27] <guampa> reisio: any hints on how?
[21:27] <kholby> Unrelated to my previous question, I have another computer that will not mount over SSHFS any more.  I asked on Stack Exchange but was not able to find a resolution.  Any insight would be appreciated.  http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299730/unable-to-mount-any-remote-filesystem-using-sshfs
[21:27] <reisio> OerHeks: honestly not something I would naturally expect to be supported, generally
[21:28] <reisio> guampa: is when you start your DE soon enough?
[21:28] <guampa> reisio: it would be a good start
[21:29] <guampa> would be best yet to trigger from when the cryptmount is made
[21:30] <reisio> guampa: okay, I'm not sure exactly where the script for that is, but I'm sure you can find it and modify it
[21:33] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: alive?
[21:33] <porkstore> dolphin seems lame
[21:34] <porkstore> i guess you guys are saying ubuntu-mate is lame
[21:35] <reisio> I don't think it's lame as in uncool or stupid philosophically
[21:35] <reisio> I do think it's lame as in broken and not likely to mend
[21:35] <porkstore> so that's the same uncool about nautilus
[21:35] <reisio> if nautilus is uncool, then MATE's filemanager is old, less well maintained, and still uncool
[21:36] <porkstore> nautilus is nice and clean
[21:36] <reisio> it's actually named 'Files' now
[21:36] <porkstore> dolphin, like other aspects of kde, has a weird feel to it
[21:36] <reisio> please, please don't ask why it is
[21:36] <porkstore> that is a good name
[21:37] <reisio> one can only imagine it's so it's impossible to find documentation online for it
[21:37] <porkstore> that is a good point
[21:37] <reisio> or so explaining how to use it to a novice is impossible
[21:37] <reisio> "now open files"
[21:37] <reisio> "I'm trying to open the files, man"
[21:37] <reisio> "no, open 'files'"
[21:37] <reisio> "...die"
[21:37] <reisio> etc.
[21:37] <apb1963_> The primary thing I like about KDE is that it lets you attach tabs to other tabs.  So you can group windows together essentially.
[21:37] <reisio> not even macOS calls their file manager 'files'
[21:37] <reisio> "finder", as bad a name as it is, is quite specific
[21:38] <reisio> apb1963_: 'bout kwin?
[21:38] <reisio> that always seemed like a nice feature
[21:38] <apb1963_> yes
[21:38] <reisio> can't say I've ever used it, though
[21:38] <guest2> What if you call it Nautilus or Caja or whatever
[21:38] <apb1963_> I use it constantly
[21:38] <reisio> but who cbf to use everything :)
[21:38] <reisio> guest2: world ends
[21:38] <guest2> Heh
[21:38] <reisio> fyi: world just ended
[21:38] <guest2> sheeeit
[21:38] <guest2> my bad
[21:38] <porkstore> sometimes i call it gnome classic file manager
[21:39] <reisio> heh
[21:39]  * reisio flashes back
[21:39] <apb1963_> although I rarely use file managers
[21:39] <reisio> samey same
[21:39] <reisio> too slow
[21:39] <apb1963_> Yes
[21:39] <reisio> I do build systems for normos, though
[21:39] <reisio> and file managers should be usable
[21:39] <reisio> and not awful :p
[21:39] <apb1963_> true
[21:39] <kholby> MC for the win
[21:39] <apb1963_> Yes... midnight commander
[21:39] <reisio> mmm, mc, takes me back to them dos days
[21:40] <reisio> the dirtiest of OSes
[21:40] <apb1963_> Still... MC was a huge advantage
[21:40] <kholby> I love MC.  Use it frequently on my personal server.
[21:40] <reisio> over gui file managers?
[21:40] <apb1963_> over DIR /P
[21:41] <k1l_> !ot
[21:41] <reisio> oh, yeah, norton commander was great
[21:41] <reisio> I barely used a plain dos prompt at all in those days
[21:41] <reisio> was better than Windows 3.1, too, as little as that's saying
[21:41] <apb1963_> no doubt
[21:42] <apb1963_> There's a bookmark manager that looks similar to MC
[21:42] <apb1963_> It's called... Total Bookmarks.
[21:42] <reisio> haha
[21:42] <reisio> cute name
[21:43] <reisio> even if it abbreviates to an uncute name
[21:43] <apb1963_> It's in need of enhancements, but it does work as-is.
[21:43] <apb1963_> yeah the author wasn't too interested in changing the name.
[21:43] <reisio> free software? all set
[21:43] <apb1963_> of course
[21:48] <netmanbug> twizsted: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:49] <Zeb_> ebediah
[21:49] <Zeb_> Zebediah
[21:50] <Zeb_> list
[21:50] <Zeb_> list channel
[21:50] <Zeb_> ?
[21:50] <Zeb_> help
[21:50] <k1l_> !irc | Zeb_
[21:51] <twizsted> netmanbug, sorry my friend got distracted, yes sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf to get rid of your isp's nameservers
[21:51]  * Slawek is bouncing to 'Mozzart - Malice And Vice'
[21:52] <twizsted> netmanbug, it's the only work around for your bug that's been unfixed for years!
[21:55] <netmanbug> twizsted: i noticed that if your vpn has three dns then your isp's gets pushed out of /etc/resolv.conf but because i only have two, my isp's is still there albeit in third place but still potentially able to be used ie. dns leak risk
[22:00] <sebbu> lol
[22:00] <sebbu> i have a nice xorg working now
[22:00] <sebbu> but
[22:01] <sebbu> when i connect from outside with x forwarding and launch something (ie, glxgears)
[22:01] <sebbu> it appears on the native screen without a window, and i have a black window on the host
[22:01] <sebbu> only for accelerated app, like glxgears
[22:01] <sebbu> xclock works normally
[22:01] <Surfer2010> hello does anyone have tvheadend? ... because i can't see any "upcoming recordnings" ... but don't know why
[22:03] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: I am back .., gimme a bit to catch up , and I be with you .
[22:03] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: k.  Thx
[22:09] <Guest82585> "# service libvirtd start" gives me "Unit libvirtd.service not found" error. libvirt, qemu, and a VM was running prior to reboot. what happened? how can I fix this?
[22:11] <tgm4883> Guest82585: is libvirt installed?
[22:11] <nicomachus> Guest82585: libvirt does not take start arguments
[22:11] <reisio> is its service named 'libvirtd'?
[22:11] <tgm4883> in 16.04 it's libvirt-bin
[22:11] <nicomachus> Guest82585: at least according to the redhat dudes
[22:12] <Guest82585> yes it is installed
[22:12] <Guest82585> it was working fine prior to a reboot
[22:12] <tgm4883> Guest82585: what version of ubuntu?
[22:12] <Guest82585> K 16.04
[22:12] <tgm4883> Guest82585: then you have the service name wrong
[22:13] <tgm4883> Guest82585: try libvirt-bin
[22:13] <Guest82585> systemctl libvirt-bin start?
[22:13] <tgm4883> Guest82585: yes
[22:13] <Padgaland> So I am looking at the different flavors of ubuntu for my lenovo and mate feels best so far
[22:13] <reisio> Padgaland: you tried Xfce?
[22:14] <Guest82585> seemed to work so far. trying qemu.
[22:14] <Guest82585> Padgaland: Why mate? (nothing against mate, it's awesome)
[22:15] <Padgaland> the processor seems to keep up well enough
[22:16] <Guest82585> virt manager is complaining about the libvirt-bin package (it's installed), libvirtd daemon (i do believe we just got it started), and me being a member of the libvirtd group (i am)
[22:18] <lanz> hi
[22:20] <Guest82585> i still can't start a VM
[22:24] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: We still at the start --- removing kernels in sda , embedding grub ?
[22:25] <reisio> Guest82585: /nick vmguy
[22:25] <reisio> Guest82585: how're you trying? What're the error msgs?
[22:25] <Padgaland> Ok I went to load a live view of xubuntu and it suddenly said it was missing a file to run it so I just need to create a new ISO stick and try again right?
[22:25] <Kirito> https://bpaste.net/raw/e9d32077de1f Does anyone have any clue what is going wrong here? There isn't a shortage of storage space
[22:27] <vmguy> reisio: using virt-manager, can't connect to qemu-kvm.
[22:27] <nicomachus> Kirito: it says in that message how to fix it...
[22:27] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Away for a few ..back soonest .
[22:27] <Kirito> nicomachus, ...no, it doesn't
[22:27] <vmguy> trying to start the daemon tells me the service file isn't found
[22:28] <nicomachus> Kirito: "you can restart your domain by running 'virsh --connect qemu:///system start debian8' otherwise, please restart your installation"
[22:28] <reisio> vmguy: mmm, so we don't waste too much time, can you quickly tell me why you're using hardware virt? :)
[22:28] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: Yes... still at start
[22:28] <Kirito> nicomachus, "if the installation was successful", yes. It was not.
[22:29] <vmguy> windows gaming VM
[22:29] <nicomachus> that's where the "otherwise, please restart your installation" part comes in.
[22:29] <vmguy> i'm passing through my AMD R7 to play games without dual-boot.
[22:30] <Kirito> Thanks, because I only attemted the installation once before asking for help here.
[22:30] <vmguy> reisio, it was working just fine right before a reboot.
[22:30] <nicomachus> Kirito: what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[22:30] <Kirito> 16.04
[22:30] <Padgaland> After it said it was missing it went to what looked like a terminal looking screen not many options after that so i just hard resterted the computer
[22:30] <nicomachus> Kirito: and you're trying to install VM?
[22:30] <Kirito> ...yes?
[22:30] <vmguy> reisio: may i pm as to not flood the channel?
[22:30] <reisio> vmguy: and your situation is complex enough you can't just run 'kvm ... blah blah'?
[22:31] <nicomachus> Kirito: of what OS?
[22:31] <reisio> if you have many lines to share, use a pastebin, like dpaste.com
[22:31] <Kirito> ...of Debian, as that paste shows.
[22:31] <nicomachus> Kirito: then I would suggest asking in the Debian channels.
[22:31] <Kirito> No, because the issue is not Debian related.
[22:32] <vmguy> reisio: i don't understand.
[22:32] <Kirito> libvirt is failing to create a disk image. The Debian installation has not even been attempted at this point.
[22:33] <sugoi> brand new to ubuntu. this question isn't probably ubuntu specific. forgive me. i created a couple sshfs fstab mount definitions, and added x-systemd as a mount option. i noticed it created a "open folder" icon like thing in the task bar when i first mounted it
[22:33] <sugoi> i removed that pin, and now i regret it. i think i'd like it
[22:33] <sugoi> it had the smarts to remount the mount point
[22:33] <sugoi> mounting (via cli) again doesn't repin that icon
[22:33] <sugoi> what created that icon? where might i ask about this?
[22:33] <reisio> vmguy: I mean kvm is so simple to use on its own for just a standalone VM
[22:34] <reisio> the command 'kvm', that is
[22:34] <reisio> you don't need libvirt
[22:34] <vmguy> it tells me it can't connect to the hypervisor
[22:34] <vmguy> i think
[22:36] <vmguy> reisio: http://imgur.com/a/hZVk8
[22:37] <Kirito> Sigh. I suppose I was too idealistic to hope for any meaningful support on an Ubuntu channel
[22:37] <vmguy> kirito: pm me
[22:37] <reisio> vmguy: such overkill
[22:38] <Kirito> Why?
[22:38] <reisio> basic kvm usage is really simple, it's something like 'kvm -hda path/to/"drive" -blah -blah'
[22:38] <vmguy> kirito: what is your issue?
[22:38] <reisio> libvirt/virt-manager is meant for people who use VMs for heaps of things constantly
[22:38] <lbracher> Hi there! I'm looking for a way to set resolution and frequency to TTY1, but I wasn't able to. I tried fbset -fb /dev/fb0 640x480-60 without success. Do you know how to set the resolution to these parameters on Ubuntu Server? Thanks in advance! :)
 https://bpaste.net/raw/e9d32077de1f Does anyone have any clue what is going wrong here? There isn't a shortage of storage space
[22:39] <vmguy> virt-manager is also how i trade KB/M back and forth between host and guest
[22:41] <tgm4883> Kirito: Is there any debug/verbose options for that command?
[22:44]  * reisio shakes head
[22:44] <vmguy> why?
[22:45] <reisio> because you can do that with a simple keyboard shortcut with plain kvm :)
[22:45] <tgm4883> reisio: maybe
[22:46] <vmguy> so if I want to use kvm to start my already created vm named "qemu-win8", how would I do that?
[22:46] <vmguy> i'll bite at using pure kvm if it works.
[22:47] <reisio> vmguy: qemu-system-x86_64 $(find ~/ -type f -iname 'qemu-win8.img') -mem 1024
[22:47] <reisio> something as simple as that
[22:48]  * tgm4883 finds it odd that a "simple" command requires a shell out to find
[22:49] <vmguy> yeah, that doesn't seem as simple as you say
[22:50] <reisio> seriously?
[22:50] <reisio> I don't know where your disk image is
[22:50] <reisio> psychokinetics doesn't factor into simple or not
[22:50] <tgm4883> reisio: how do you handle multiple disk images?
[22:50] <vmguy> or a passed-though PCI device?
[22:50] <reisio> tgm4883: it accepts an image as an argument
[22:51] <reisio> just like any other boring command
[22:51] <reisio> vmguy: those too
[22:51] <tgm4883> reisio: no, I mean lets say i have a VM that uses both disk1.img and disk2.img. How do I start that VM?
[22:51] <vmguy> i'm not understanding what's wrong with libvirt.
[22:52] <vmguy> i'd like something that my not-a-CLI-wizard girlfriend can also use to play games on.
[22:52] <reisio> there are simpler GUI frontends, too, but hey if you can get it working, I don't see what's wrong with it, either
[22:52] <vmguy> virt-manager does that, and passing arcane qemu commands isn't going to work for her.
[22:52] <tgm4883> vmguy: she shouldn't need to know about the VM at all. If she needs to know about it, then I'd suggest you're doing it wrong
[22:52] <vmguy> my initial question was about getting the GUI fronted working.
[22:53] <vmguy> tgm, she loves linux, but misses the sims 4
[22:53] <reisio> tgm4883: -hda foo -hdb bar is one way
[22:53] <reisio> vmguy: heh
[22:53] <tgm4883> reisio: nice
[22:53] <Padgaland> man that usb iso creator from penlinux has blue screened my windows pc twice lol
[22:53] <vmguy> padgaland: use rufus
[22:53] <reisio> think I'd use Wine for The Sims, though: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=16273
[22:53] <vmguy> works like a charm on windows.
[22:53] <reisio> platinum means it will run better than on Windows, basically :p
[22:54] <reisio> tgm4883: yeah seems nice & simple to me
[22:55]  * james is also running DX10/11 games that don't work in Wine
[22:55] <reisio> you also runner
[22:55] <Guest13004> a runner?
[22:55] <tgm4883> reisio: I've only got one VM, the rest of my stuff is in LXC containers
[22:56] <Guest13004> i'm mostly using my VM for steam's in-home streaming with the games i can't run in wine.
[22:57] <reisio> tgm4883: sounds quite more sane
[22:57] <reisio> tgm4883: what's your one hardware vm for?
[22:57] <Guest13004> tgm4882: this is my issue https://imgur.com/a/hZVk8
[22:57] <tgm4883> reisio: it's a mythtv backend. I've been looking at moving it to an LXC container, but I'm not finding a good way to mount writable storage for it
[22:58] <reisio> mmm, sounds edgey, g'luck
[22:58] <Guest13004> was not doing this prior to reboot an hour and a half ago.
[22:58] <tgm4883> Guest13004: what's the output of 'groups' and 'ps aux | grep libvirt'
[22:58] <Bashing-om> lbracher: On can set a resolution in /etc/default/grub .
[22:59] <Tux_> hi I been working on getting the sound to work on a  acer chromebook cb3-111; Im running xbuntu right off the internal ssd . i tried loading the audio drivers from  "additional drivers"
[22:59] <Guest13004> i'm a member of the libvirtd group. brb w/ ps aux
[22:59] <Guest13004> james    13900  0.0  0.0  14224   924 pts/1    S+   15:59   0:00 grep --color=auto libvirt
[22:59] <tgm4883> Guest13004: looks like libvirtd isn't running
[23:00] <Guest13004> i know libvirt isn't running. the libvirtd.service file isn't found
[23:00] <Guest13004> that's the problem i'm having. why isn't it found, where did it go, and how can i replace it?
[23:00] <reisio> Tux_: which version of ubuntu?
[23:00] <tgm4883> Guest13004: ..., you said earlier that you were able to start libvirt-bin
[23:00] <Tux_> lspci shows my audio device as: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e)
[23:01] <Tux_> it is xubuntu
[23:01] <Guest13004> tux_: alsamixer in a terminal. make sure your channels aren't muted.
[23:01] <Guest13004> tgm4883: yes, prior to a reboot, it was working well.
[23:01] <Tux_> 16.0.4
[23:01] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: OK, if ya ready to begin .. noot sda .. and paste ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' and we start the clean up in preperation . on this one drive, 2 more to go .
[23:01] <tgm4883> Guest13004: what's the output of "sudo systemctl status libvirt-bin"
[23:02] <reisio> Tux_: and like, you went through these really promising looking search results?
[23:02] <reisio> http://askubuntu.com/questions/720516/no-sound-on-ubuntu-15-10-running-on-acer-cb3-111-670-chromebook ?
[23:02] <Guest13004> something about line 347 of my qemu.conf file i think
[23:02] <tgm4883> Guest13004: pastebin it
[23:02] <reisio> oh my, line 347
[23:03] <tgm4883> Guest13004: nobody is going to help you with "something about line 347 of my qemu.conf file i think"
[23:04] <Guest13004> http://pastebin.com/nXJvZJzL
[23:04] <Guest13004> i was about to ask how to read just that one line
[23:04] <tgm4883> Guest13004: sounds like you should look in /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf
[23:05] <allegorical> linux noob here... can't seem to read documents in a cd-rom... getting permission denied... i'm trying in the Files GUI, in the Properties tab to change permission but then it says "Permissions could not be changed. Sorry, could not change the permissions of “Patterson”: Error setting permissions: Read-only file system"
[23:06] <reisio> Patterson?!
[23:06]  * reisio calls the feds
[23:06] <allegorical> yeah the Hennessey and Patterson CDROM from Computer Organization :)
[23:06] <reisio> allegorical: heh
[23:06] <reisio> allegorical: how'd you mount it, originally?
[23:06] <Tux_> resiso im looking at your link....
[23:06] <allegorical> well... i didn't
[23:07] <Padgaland> ok going to try xubuntu be back later
[23:07] <reisio> Tux_: r-e-i-TABkey
[23:07] <allegorical> from my brief google search, it's supposed to "Ok well as soon as you put a disk in it should detect and mount automatically."
[23:07] <reisio> later on
[23:07] <allegorical> ?
[23:07] <usr13> Guest13004: https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00261.html
[23:07] <reisio> allegorical: so as far as you know, it mounted on its own?
[23:07] <Guest13004> i got it.
[23:07] <Guest13004> dang quotes.
[23:08] <allegorical> yeah... i tried on my lubuntu to do the manual mounting but still got denied
[23:08] <allegorical> because if i recall it didn't auto show up
[23:08] <Guest13004> . /dev/hugepages and "/dev/hugepages" aren't teh same thing.
[23:08] <Guest13004> thanks for your help
[23:09] <allegorical> i guess i'll try the manual process again on ubuntu
[23:10] <reisio> allegorical: you could try sudo rsync -av path/to/mount/point/ ~/else/where/; sudo chown -R youruser:youruser ~/else/where/
[23:10] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: ok I'm here
[23:10] <reisio> for a one-off solution
[23:10] <allegorical> alrighty, i'll give it a go thanks reisio
[23:11] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: This would go easier if I could open an ssh window to that machine... but liveUSB doesn't run ssh by default and I'm not sure how to proceeed with that.
[23:11] <Tux_> reisio, sry i did see it before but the post links to instructions for fedora 22 and  i didnt think the commands were the same, mo Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e)
[23:11] <Tux_> osts i found also assumed i had linux next to crome os
[23:12] <apb1963_> I guess I could just install it to the USB shtick?
[23:12] <reisio> Tux_: as long as you're using pulse and alsa, it should be the same
[23:12] <reisio> apb1963_: sudo apt-get install openssh; ifconfig
[23:12] <apb1963_> Not sure if that would make the shtick weird somehow
[23:12] <reisio> apb1963_: erm, or is it openssh-server :)
[23:13] <apb1963_> reisio: It's not the command itself necessarily (althougth that would be helpful too)... it's the fact that I'm running on a USB shtick.
[23:13] <Tux_> reisio, ok ill try it now then ty
[23:13] <apb1963_> reisio: a live one
[23:13] <reisio> apb1963_: the OS doesn't care about that
[23:13] <apb1963_> reisio: so... I don't know if I'd be messing it up somehow for the next install usage.
[23:13] <reisio> as long as it has space to add data
[23:14] <reisio> apb1963_: no, it's read only, it's all in ram
[23:14] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: In this area your skills are the better of mine . Are both machines on the same router ?
[23:14] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: yes
[23:14] <reisio> apb1963_: if you rebooted, all customizations you'd made will no longer exist
[23:14] <apb1963_> reisio: ok... this is what's kind of confusing to me
[23:14] <apb1963_> reisio: oh
[23:14] <reisio> but hopefully no longer :)
[23:14] <lawltoad> when I do a "$docker run -ti ubuntu bash" it dosn't seem to beable to connetc to the network of the host. The host is also a fresh install of ubuntu 16.04 and docker 1.11.2
[23:14] <apb1963_> reisio: ok, that's what I was asking.
[23:14] <apb1963_> reisio: I get it now
[23:15] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: give me a minute to install ssh
[23:15] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159449 to copy files 'tween 2 'buntus .
[23:15] <reisio> reads from the media (USB stick) and uses RAM for anything it has to create or alter
[23:15] <reisio> there are ways you can have it store things on the media, but that isn't the default
[23:18] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: I haven't read that yet but lets backup a minute...beep beep beep.... You want dpkg -l right?  But... isn't that for the running system?
[23:18] <apb1963_> reisio: thank you... that helped
[23:18] <apb1963_> reisio: Been a couple of years since I read up on it, I forgot that stuff.
[23:19] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: i.e. that will give me a list of packages for 16.04 from the liveUSB... right?
[23:19] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Yeah ;;; erk .... we need to be in the sda install .. going to remove kernels and disable 30_os-prober .
[23:21] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: then also is dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc to install grub to the partition .
[23:21] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: well... is there anything we can take care of whlie I'm booted into 16.04?  I'm not sure the 14.04 will boot
[23:21] <apb1963_> well I guess it did... just the GUI didn't
[23:22] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: I wonder if it would make any sense to simply remove it from all partitions except the 16.04?
[23:23] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: "  simply remove it from all partitions " what is it in this context ?
[23:23] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: grub
[23:24] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Prsently grub is installed to the MBR of all 3 hard drives ( sector 0 ) .
[23:24] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: Right... I meant MBR of each drive except one
[23:25] <apb1963_> you know what... lets do it your way.. you know what you're doing that way... otherwise we're going off some half-baked idea that popped into my head.
[23:26] <apb1963_> I prefer my ideas to fully bake :)
[23:27] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: The goal is to have Windows XP booting from MBR on sda, 14.04 booting from the sda5 partition, and grub installed to sdb, sdc .. with 16.04 as the controlling authority of all .
[23:29] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Presently IF you can not boot 14.04 on sda .. will have to address that also ..and get that install booting on it's own .
[23:31] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: ok 14.04.5 is booted (with non-functional GUI).  Scrolling back to find command you requested.
[23:32] <apb1963_> ' dpkg -l | grep linux- '   on it.
[23:33] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23156789/
[23:36] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Not as bad as I thought ! let’s remove all the packages marked as rc : ' dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge ' .
[23:38] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: this is everything marked rc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23156804/  ... before I delete it.
[23:39] <Bashing-om> !info dkms trusty
[23:40] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: not positive but I THINK virtualbox installed that maybe.
[23:41] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: I do some more checkming .. but something here stinks real bad ! .. we do not want to remove the operating system !
[23:41] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: I would think anything marked rc would be ok to purge... but... not being positive... I'm reluctant to do so.
[23:42] <Bashing-om> !info libavfilter3 trusty
[23:42] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: yeah... some of this may be left over from my attempt to use the nasty little broken script in the asterisk contrib dir that the developers of freepbx tell you to use on their wiki.  :/
[23:43] <Bashing-om> !info libcln6 trusty
[23:44] <apb1963_> libav is likely from vlc
[23:44] <Bashing-om> !info libgtk-3-0 trusty
[23:45] <apb1963_> that seems like a KDE kind of thing which I run
[23:45] <matthelosh> Hi, I'm a newbie here..
[23:45] <apb1963_> matthelosh: welcome.
[23:45] <apb1963_> matthelosh: !ask
[23:45] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Not OK .. I am scared .
[23:45] <matthelosh> Thanks..
[23:46] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: Yeah that's a teeth grinder.  Shall we see what's installed for that?
[23:47] <Bashing-om> !info libmodemmanagerqt1 trusty
[23:48] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23156817/
[23:49] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Wants to rip the heart out of the operating system ! WHY ?? .. what results  ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C '.
[23:49] <var_> why can I not get chrome to run???
[23:50] <var_> it downloads and installs, but will not launch
[23:50] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: that's one mighty set of commands :)
[23:51] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[23:52] <var_> i know that dist-upgrade forces some upgrades that will not go through when you use sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:52] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: Yeah ,, and all thise unexpected 'rc' where the package manager says the package is (R)emoved but (C)onfig files remain .. but but but a lot of these files seem to me to be current !
[23:52] <Sugar> テスト
[23:52] <matthelosh> why xls vb object like radio button on libreoffice 5 dissapear?
[23:52] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: well note that I'm running 64 bit
[23:52] <var_> but why this google chrome WILL NOT WORK HELP
[23:52] <var_> please lol
[23:52] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: whereas many if not all (I didn't really notice) are i386
[23:53] <apb1963_> var_: dist-upgrade will install new packages, whereas upgrade will not.
[23:53] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: 'apt' is the smarter 'apt-get' and full-upgrade is the counter part of dist-upgrade .. only better .
[23:53] <k1l> !jp | Sugar
[23:53] <var_> thats what i mean lol
[23:53] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: oh I didn't even notice you were using apt.  Lord...
[23:53] <var_> im not good with words
[23:54] <apb1963_> var_: It's ok... nobody is very good with words when it comes to English :)
[23:54] <var_> whats wrong with using that?
[23:54] <var_> lol
[23:55] <k1l> var_: start "google-chrome-stable" from a terminal and see
[23:55] <var_> it says it can't be found
[23:55] <k1l> so chrome is not installed?
[23:55] <var_> ive been trying for like two days
[23:55] <var_> it is
[23:55] <var_> it sits in the doc...i click it and it crashes
[23:56] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: But yes in respect to 32 bit packages .. I had noticed . and could be that they are remnants of what was at one tome installed . We can go ahead and run the xargs purge command .. hope for the best -- but I say again it scares me waddelling .
[23:56] <k1l> var_: "dpkg -l | grep google | nc termbin.com 9999" show the outputurl please in here
[23:57] <var_> [0909/195700:ERROR:nss_util.cc(94)] Failed to create /home/var/.pki/nssdb directory.
[23:57] <var_> [0909/195701:ERROR:nss_util.cc(94)] Failed to create /home/var/.pki/nssdb directory.
[23:57] <var_> [9948:9980:0909/195703:ERROR:nss_util.cc(94)] Failed to create /home/var/.pki/nssdb directory.
[23:57] <var_> [9948:9948:0909/195704:ERROR:process_singleton_posix.cc(413)] readlink failed: Permission denied
[23:57] <var_> [9948:9948:0909/195704:ERROR:process_singleton_posix.cc(249)] readlink(/home/var/.config/google-chrome/SingletonLock) failed: Permission denied
[23:57] <var_> [9948:9948:0909/195704:ERROR:process_singleton_posix.cc(249)] readlink(/home/var/.config/google-chrome/SingletonLock) failed: Permission denied
[23:57] <k1l> !paste | var_
[23:58] <apb1963_> Bashing-om: note that dpkg -C has no output. I have not yet run the full set of commands other than that one. running them now.
[23:59] <Bashing-om> apb1963_: no output from dpkg -C is a good thing ! dpkg has nothing bad to report .
[23:59] <var_> can you see the paste?


[10:13] <edakiri> Neither openmovieeditor (as compiled in kubuntu) nor kino support the QT video files made by my digital camera.  Software recommendations?
[10:23] <tarzeau> edakiri: lives?
[10:29]  * edakiri looks at lives
[10:37] <edakiri> Nope.  Not lives.
[10:42] <edakiri> libquicktime is getting recent changes in CVS, it will attempt compiling and perhaps building of openmovieeditor
[10:57] <astraljava> edakiri: If all you need is cut&paste, the mjpegtools might come in to rescue.
[11:08] <edakiri> astraljava: Hmm.  that may do.  I generally just want to crop them time wise.  hack off the beginning or end.
[11:13] <astraljava> edakiri: That's what I thought you might do. I haven't used the tools myself, just read the description.
[12:55] <vlada> is there a way to instal kde3.x libs devel files in ubuntustudio?
[12:57] <vlada> found it, I guess :)
[14:15] <joejc> how do i record multiple channels (hardware)?
[15:57] <waraw> Hello, I would appreciate opinions on whether ubuntu studio would work on a thinkpad T23 (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T23 ) -- ubuntu seems to work fine on it, will studio?
[15:59] <joejc> waraw, why wouldnt it?
[16:00] <waraw> Unsure.  I'm pretty noobish.
[16:00] <valkyr> If Ubuntu works then Studio will too - Studio is simply Ubuntu with extra media-specific packages as far as I know...
[16:00] <waraw> I am checking various hardware compat guides
[16:02] <waraw> Thanks for the info.
[16:26] <joejc> anyone know an app that can record from 2 usb mics?
[17:28] <allu2> Hey i have synth plugged in gameport and now iam in kinda "what next" point, i would want to hear something from it :P
[17:28] <allu2> ubuntu 9.10 if it is any help
[18:05] <allu2> so anyone?
[18:17] <allu2> i have problem with Midi synth on gameport I'm running ubuntu 9.10 When i try produce soud from synth I don't hear anything But i would want it to sound like piano :P any one want to help me?
[19:33] <duncanidaho1> Why would a pdf created with scribus be oversaturated or too bright when opened with acroread but not when opened with document viewer?
[19:47] <holstein> duncanidaho1: does it look ok when printed with either?
[19:48] <holstein> could just be however adobe or whoever wrote or adapted acroread to linux
[19:50] <duncanidaho1> let me try printing hold on
[19:51] <duncanidaho1> it did print fine with reader from windows
[19:56] <duncanidaho1> It does print more saturated from acroread.
[20:04] <holstein> duncanidaho1: yeah, who knows
[20:05] <holstein> is this a 64-bit system?
[20:05] <duncanidaho1> yes
[20:05] <holstein> or something out of the ordinary?
[20:05] <holstein> could be something like that going on
[20:05] <duncanidaho1> well, it's nothing i can't work around i guess
[20:06] <holstein> since the document viewer got decent pdf support
[20:06] <holstein> i havent been installing acroread
[20:06] <holstein> BUT ive never ran acroread on a 64bit system
[20:06] <duncanidaho1> well i tried it out to begin with because document viewer kept printing with double the margin than it showed on screen
[20:08] <holstein> this is kind of old
[20:08] <holstein> but did you find http://forums.adobe.com/thread/395348
[20:11] <duncanidaho1> interesting.  I did use a png.  How in the world did you find that?
[20:11] <duncanidaho1> you're good.
[20:11] <holstein> :)
[20:12] <holstein> its from june 08 though
[20:12] <holstein> you would think a fix would be in there by now
[20:14] <duncanidaho1> ok, I'm gonna go eat.  Thanks for your help.
[20:14] <holstein> anytime duncanidaho1 , good luck
[20:15] <holstein> allu2: you still around?
[20:16] <holstein> how about joejc ?
[20:17] <joejc> ?
[20:17] <holstein> hey
[20:17] <holstein> did you sort out using 2 usb mics?
[20:17] <joejc> hi
[20:17] <joejc> no
[20:17] <holstein> i would suggest...
[20:17] <joejc> i havnt even bought them yet so...
[20:17] <holstein> looking into if jack supports multiple usb audio devices
[20:18] <holstein> i looked into it a while back, and it looked like it didnt
[20:18] <holstein> BUT that was at least 2 years ago
[20:18] <holstein> ive seen stereo USB mics
[20:18] <holstein> since you havent bought anything yet
[20:19] <holstein> i would suggest..
[20:19] <holstein> http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1901
[20:19] <holstein> something like that gives you a little more bang for the buck
[20:19] <holstein> and flexibility
[20:20] <holstein> and you should google around, but i have heard its plug and play with jack
[20:20] <holstein> and ive heard good things about the preamps and the built-in mics
[20:20] <holstein> couple folks over at #opensourcemusicians have them
[20:22] <holstein> that would be a good start for you too allu2
[20:22] <holstein> there is a podcast there to help get started with using jack
[20:22] <holstein> and software synths
[20:22]  * holstein BBL
[20:31] <allu2> holstein, ok thanks
[22:03] <vlada> is rtirq script packed somewhere for ubuntustudio?
[22:20] <ScottL> vlada, you can always "sudo apt-get install rtirq" or whatever the package is
[22:21] <ScottL> apparently it's named "rtirq-init"
[22:27] <vlada> ScottL, thanks ;) This was a late reply because I was tweaking my rtirq settings. A big thanks anyway ;)


[00:35] <x1250> anyone noticed the new totem plugins, jamendo and the subtitle downloader? nice addons :)
[00:36] <spitfire_> oO
[00:36] <spitfire_> nice
[00:36] <spitfire_> though rhythmbox already supports jamendo
[00:36] <spitfire_> but subdownloader is great news;)
[00:37] <x1250> yep :)
[00:37] <spitfire_> x1250: I will backport it then :P
[00:46] <x1250> spitfire_, don't, let them upgrade, we need more testers >:)
[00:47] <spitfire_> x1250: what?
[00:47] <spitfire_> You say I should go jaunty? :P
[00:48] <x1250> are you not in jaunty?
[00:49] <spitfire_> x1250: nooo
[00:49] <spitfire_> intrepid
[00:49] <spitfire_> just looking what's new;P
[00:49] <spitfire_> That's why I said "backporting" ;P
[00:51] <x1250> yep, didn't know you were in the good ol' intrepid.
[00:54] <lamalex> Hey, does the graphical installer have ext4 yet or just alternate
[01:00] <spitfire_> x1250: can you modprobe --list |grep gspca for me?
[01:00] <spitfire_> modprobe --list |grep gspca
[01:02] <x1250> spitfire_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/103707/    ------- dont make it a habit :P
[01:02] <spitfire_> ok
[01:02] <spitfire_> thanx;)
[01:02] <spitfire_> I needed to know it it's really there.
[01:23] <Nicekiwi9> hi, is it possable to upgrade from Kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 Alpha 2/
[01:23] <Nicekiwi9> ?
[01:27] <spitfire_> apt-get update -d ?
[01:28] <spitfire_> Nicekiwi9: update-manager -d
[01:28] <spitfire_> and then you'll have an option to upgrade.
[01:28] <Nicekiwi9> update manager isent istalled!? this is useing KDE 4.1 on kubutnu
[01:29] <spitfire_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2
[01:29] <spitfire_> \instructions from there^^
[01:29] <Nicekiwi9> no...
[01:30] <Nicekiwi9> those are the upgrade instuctions for Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> to make that command work i have to install most of the Gnome and GTK systems and dependancies, over 200MB before u could run that update-manager :S
[01:31] <spitfire_> Ok
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> that is NOT the command for upgrading Kubutnu
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> =(
[01:31] <spitfire_> You want to upgrade because kde4 sucks?
[01:32] <Nicekiwi9> huh? :S
[01:32] <Nicekiwi9> KDE4 rules... i dont get what ur saying...
[01:33] <spitfire_> :D
[01:33] <spitfire_> Nicekiwi9: I'd recomment you to get a livecd rather than upgrading.
[01:33] <spitfire_> And making clean install.
[01:33] <Nicekiwi9> :( i wish..
[01:33] <Nicekiwi9> but the liveCD dosent work with Wubi
[01:34] <Nicekiwi9> and i dont have any blank discs... so id rather not partition my drive so wui woudl be best but dosent work :(
[01:34] <Nicekiwi9> wubi
[01:35] <spitfire_> test version just *don't* work:P
[01:35] <spitfire_> In one month they it will;)
[01:35] <Nicekiwi9> sigh.. alpha 3 comes out ina few days... guess i'll ahve to wait and hope for that one
[02:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[03:22]  * DanaG wonders what's up with that kernel panic bug.
[03:24] <terli> *uses the DEBIAN folder in package generation*
[03:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[05:35] <Andre_Gondim> if I replace intrepid for jaunty in sources.list will broke?
[05:37] <nroot7> I am upgrading to 9.04 and in the list of known issues, one issue is that it does not work properly with ATI drivers. Now I am using closed source ATI drivers right now. In case a problem comes when I restart the system, how should i revert to open source drivers?
[06:05] <poningru> Andre_Gondim, yes it will
[06:05] <poningru> nroot7, just blacklist the open drivers
[07:20] <manusmad> I just updated to 9.04
[07:20] <manusmad> and can login anymore
[07:21] <manusmad> when I boot I land up on command login
[07:22] <nroot7> I just updated to 9.04
[07:22] <nroot7> and can login anymore
[07:22] <nroot7> when I boot I land up on command login
[07:22] <nroot7> how can I know what is causing the problem
[07:22] <nroot7> can anyone help me trouble shoot
[08:34] <BUGabundo> question: when is the next debian sync scheduled?
[08:34] <BUGabundo> 'cause http://packages.debian.org/sid/pidgin-musictracker 0.4.13-1 isn't in yet
[08:34] <BUGabundo> should I ask for a manual sync?
[08:47] <allthebestisyeto> why is my Intel graphics card kinda slower in Jaunty?
[08:49] <BUGabundo> allthebestisyeto: please confirm me something
[08:49] <BUGabundo> is your alt-tab slow too?
[08:49] <BUGabundo> I can only change windows by pressing twice!!
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: no it is fine
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I have effects enabled
[08:50] <BUGabundo> humm
[08:50] <BUGabundo> I don't!
[08:50] <BUGabundo> what make its even stranger!
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I'm more worried about video playback
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: it flickers a bit
[08:50] <BUGabundo> X is under a lot of changes (again)
[08:50] <BUGabundo> I guess the intel driver still aint stable!
[08:51] <BUGabundo> check their BTS to see if anyone is reporting slowness with current trunk X
[08:51] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: bts?
[08:51] <BUGabundo> Bug track system
[08:51] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: address?
[08:52] <allthebestisyeto> uh, I mean link
[08:52] <BUGabundo> don't know!
[08:52] <BUGabundo> lol
[08:52] <BUGabundo> google search it for intel linux gpu
[08:52] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I actually am doing it already
[08:55] <allthebestisyeto> there is a forums thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=4094e3ad27ac1bdf6ddc192f96a7d598&t=998754&page=4
[10:10] <vega> does this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20090112/ already have EXT4 support?
[10:47] <lucent> vega: the Jaunty Alpha 2 release has ext4 support
[10:48] <lucent> not for the installer though
[10:48] <vega> installer support is what i'm looking for
[10:48] <lucent> I was able to - however - boot JA2 and mount an ext4 disk
[10:49] <vega> this article seems to suggest that it has since of yesterday: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_ext4&num=1
[10:49] <vega> "as of yesterday, Ubuntu 9.04 now has install-time support for EXT4."
[10:49] <vega> and it was written yesterday
[10:49] <lucent> interesting
[10:50] <vega> so guess i'll give it a shot
[12:03] <spitfire_> vega: "January 9, 2009 daily spins"
[12:03] <spitfire_> so it' there for 3 days
[12:03] <spitfire_> Why not reiser4:/
[12:10] <ikonia> just beta ?
[12:12] <Volkodav> where is a new evdev xkb layout file ? console something
[12:13] <spitfire_> ikonia: what?
[12:13] <ikonia> spitfire_: reiser4 -sorry, thought you said ext4
[12:13] <spitfire_> reiser4 is more stable than ext4
[12:13] <ikonia> spitfire_: resier4 is dead after the owner is in jail
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: nope
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: it's been dropped from the default kernel
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I read an article on it a few days ago, it's still being argued as I read
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: never been there.
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I know - but it's been dropped as an option for the kernel
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: It's because of political issues i think:P
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I think his company is still pushing ahead with it
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: it is.
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: totally political yes,
[12:14] <spitfire_> And it is developed
[12:15] <ikonia> but it's not in the kernel, so no point discussing it
[12:15] <spitfire_> ikonia: it'j just because linus doesn't want it
[12:15] <ikonia> I don't care
[12:15] <ikonia> it's not in the kernel
[12:15] <spitfire_> ikonia: depends
[12:15] <ikonia> so no point discussing it
[12:17] <spitfire_> ikonia: I have patched kernel that inludes it. Ubuntu patches it's kernel heavily so why not patch  it with reiser4?
[12:18] <ikonia> because they don't
[12:18] <ikonia> so there is no point discussing it
[12:18] <ikonia> the developers have chose not to
[12:36] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/358596 where do I edit this file ?
[13:06] <pwuertz> hi, I'm a bit confused about the intel driver situation in jaunty... isn't that new driver / gallium / gem / xserver 1.6 stuff supposed to finally solve that problem with opengl applications rendering the contents "over" instead of "into" the windows?
[13:07] <pwuertz> like this strange behavior when moving/wobbeling glxgears around
[14:21] <ahz>  Why can't I find the new package "bleachbit" in Add/Remove Programs (set to all packages) but I can find it with apt-cache on Ubuntu 9.04 alpha?
[15:30] <ahz>  Why can't I find the new package "bleachbit" in Add/Remove Programs (set to all packages) but I can find it with apt-cache on Ubuntu 9.04 alpha?
[15:50] <Happosade> Hello
[15:51] <Happosade> What is name of installingserver, where Ubuntu will be downloaded?
[16:05] <IntrepidOne> has Ubuntu decided to switch to LILO?
[16:07] <Pici> No.
[16:09] <IntrepidOne> so why am I getting a perform liloconfig during the upgrade?
[16:09] <Pici> I vaguely remember getting that as well, but it still installed grub.
[16:09] <IntrepidOne> ok
[16:14] <pwuertz> does someone know why opengl is still drawn as an overlay? despite the usage of dri2?
[16:46] <CarlFK> play sound.wav, aplay sound.wav both work.  espeak hi does not - no sound, no error.
[16:46] <CarlFK> hmm, apt-get upgrade has a lot to upgrade...  lets see if that fixes it
[16:59] <CarlFK> upgrade, still nothing from espeak
[17:00] <CarlFK> this works: espeak hi -w hi.wav && play hi.wav
[17:04] <CarlFK> and this: hi --stdout| play -t wav -
[17:11] <CarlFK> google says:  edit the espeak.conf file, and set EspeakAudioOutputMethod to "pulse". ...
[17:12] <CarlFK> where is espeak.conf ?
[17:15] <RyeBrye> quick question - I did an upgrade to jaunty one one of my machines last night and the ethernet card is now listed in lshw as "disabled" - what should i do to enable it and get my ethernet working again? It's Intel 82562V 10/100 NIC on the motherboard of a Dell E520
[17:19] <RyeBrye> hmm.... looks like the driver is listed as ? in udev rules... I'll look at fixing that
[17:28] <astromme_> Is anyone using the Amarok <IP_ADDRESS> packages from Kubuntu/Ubuntu Jaunty?
[17:29] <astromme_> I can't seem to get a collection. It scans but no collection shows up.
[17:29] <astromme_> It previously worked with the Neon packages (intrepid packages used on jaunty).
[17:38] <s0u][ight> hello #ubuntu is way too busy, how can i set the default of g++ to 4.2?
[17:49] <ikonia> you don't ask in here if #ubuntu is too busy
[17:49] <ikonia> s0u][ight: please ask in #ubuntu , this is for jaunty discussion only
[17:49] <s0u][ight> i understand :)
[17:50] <ikonia> thank youi
[17:50] <ikonia> you even
[17:59]  * astromme_ is sad that Amarok can't seem to put the results of his scan into a collection
[18:01] <s0u][ight> ikonia, i found out what i needed myself ;)
[18:01] <s0u][ight> laters
[18:02] <BotLobsta> is there any way to tell apt-get that its being stupid and it should do something other than what it wants to do?
[18:02] <ikonia> BotLobsta: do you want to ask a real question, with real detail please
[18:03] <robin0800> BotLobsta: you could try aptitude instead
[18:03] <BotLobsta> so im trying to update to the latest openoffice that came out today and it wants to install some mysql stuff
[18:03] <Pici> apt-get --disable-studpidness
[18:03] <ikonia> BotLobsta: ok, so there is some dependencies, why is that stupid ?
[18:03] <BotLobsta> and i looked through the dependencies and it doesnt need those packages but it wants to do it anyways
[18:04] <ikonia> BotLobsta: how do you know it doesn't need them ?
[18:04] <Pici> BotLobsta: It doesn't grab that stuff from thin air, something must be depending or reccomending it.
[18:04] <ikonia> BotLobsta: I mean what is the criteria your using to determain it doesn't need them
[18:04] <BotLobsta> the only way to get from openoffice.org-core to mysql-common is through libsasl2-2
[18:05] <BotLobsta> that depends on libsasl2-modules | libsasl2-modules-sql
[18:05] <BotLobsta> i already have libsasl2-modules installed but it wants to install libsasl2-modules-sql also
[18:05] <ikonia> that seems sensible in terms of dependencies ?
[18:05] <ikonia> so you've tracked the dependency and it look like it needs it
[18:05] <ikonia> (as I'm reading what your saying)
[18:06] <BotLobsta> but it depends on either one or the other
[18:06] <BotLobsta> it doesnt need both
[18:06] <BotLobsta> unless im misunderstanding the | character
[18:07] <ikonia> BotLobsta: are you sure, it looks like it needs libsasl2-modules-sql
[18:07] <ikonia> (from what your saying)
[18:07] <BotLobsta> this is what the depends line for libsasl2-2 shows
[18:08] <BotLobsta> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdb4.6, libsasl2-modules (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-sql (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-kerberos-heimdal (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2)
[18:08] <ikonia> BotLobsta: that looks like it's saying "I need these"
[18:08] <BotLobsta> i thought if it said a | b | c it only needed a or b or c
[18:09] <BotLobsta> and that a, b, c meant a and b and c
[18:09] <ikonia> but its not doing A | B | C, i's doing A B C
[18:09] <ikonia> as I'm reading it
[18:10] <BotLobsta> the separator between libsasl2-modules and libsasl2-modules-sql is |
[18:11] <ikonia> ooh I see libsasl2-modules's the 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2 package
[18:11] <ikonia> sorry, I'm miss-reading that due to line breaks
[18:13] <BotLobsta> yea it is a bit confusing
[18:13] <ikonia> BotLobsta: my terminal is wrong I'm miss-reading
[18:13] <ikonia> so your saying libsasl2-modules-sql libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal libsasl2-modules-kerberos-heimdal is one or the other, not all 3
[18:15] <ikonia> BotLobsta: is this OO3 from the ubuntu repo (jaunty)
[18:15] <BotLobsta> i think it means it needs libc6 and libdb4.6 and (libsasl2-modules or -modules-sql or -modules-gssapi-heimdal or -modules-kerberos-meimdal)
[18:15] <BotLobsta> yes
[18:17] <ikonia> I actually read that as "I need all 3"
[18:17] <ikonia> I'll have to look a the synatax
[19:16] <iamarockstar> so what is the new feature expected in alpha3?
[19:17] <iamarockstar> ??
[19:20] <charlie-tca> iamarockstar: perhaps the newest is ext4 support
[19:20] <iamarockstar> hmmm... k that is in the dailies also right.
[19:22] <iamarockstar> by the way i havent exavctly tried the alpha so could znyone tell me how the notification feature is looking like? does it work well? does it look as beautiful as in mark's blog' mockup presentation?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> yes. Everything in alpha3 should be in the dailies. I do not think any feature is held just for a release
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know about the notification feature
[19:24] <iamarockstar> anyone else?
[19:53] <c_korn> will this "new design" be in jaunty already?
[19:53] <fosco___> c_korn, no news about it
[20:52] <timing> hello, when i run update-manager -2 i get an error about not able to download jaunty-security and jaunty-updates
[20:52] <timing> i use the nl. mirror
[20:52] <timing> that's a known problem? or am i doing something wrong?
[20:55] <timing> O i have some sort of solution, i disabled updates and security first in the software sources preferences
[20:56] <timing> well, bbl i think
[23:45] <roe> is there a known issue that is keeping OOo 3.0 out of jaunty?
[23:50] <fosco_> roe: OO3 is included in jaunty
[23:50] <roe> look at that, it wasn't 2 days ago
[23:51] <fosco_> take a look today :)
[23:51] <roe> yes I see


[02:18] <lotuspsychje> my vlc bug has been duped, please test if you can reproduce this on 20.04 bug #1819543
[03:48] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, I've noted no issues with exiting vlc. i can start & exit cleanly; though I rarely use gnome (esp. gnome only systems)
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> might be gnome indicator related only then
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx for testing guiverc
[21:00] <ubuking> HELLLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1