[00:21] <SpungeBob> i poop a lot
[00:25] <compdoc> eat less
[00:26] <siwica> In order to run `btrfs rescue zero-log /var` (I have /var on a separate btrfs fs) I need to unmount /var. What would be the appropriate way of doing so? (Ubuntu 20.04 with systemd).
[00:26] <siwica> I tried switching to runlevel 1 with `systemctl isolate emergency.target` but the device is still busy so I cant unmount...
[00:41] <Squarism> im on ubuntu 20.04. CTRL+ALT+UP/DOWN moves between workspaces. Seems to be a default setting that is not reflected in "Settings->Keyboard shortcuts" ?
[00:42] <Squarism> This is what worries me about the whole ubuntu thing. These inconsistencies.
[00:47] <doug16k> siwica, boot from a live usb disk
[00:47] <BlueEagle> Squarism: Did you check dconf-editor?
[00:47] <doug16k> siwica, anytime you can't do it because the current system is using it, reboot into live iso
[00:48] <BlueEagle> Squarism: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1099107/18-04-change-shortcut-for-switching-workspace
[00:48] <Squarism> BlueEagle, yeah. It seems i need to use that. But man, its 2020 - this should not be "ok" for ubuntu.
[00:51] <BlueEagle> Squarism: I think it should be OK to not overwhelm users with choices that will in the vast marjority of cases left at default. See also Windows Registry.
[00:52] <doug16k> is it really that hard to make a UI binding for each setting though? windows needs these tweak things too, unfortunately
[00:53] <Squarism> Well ubuntu "Settings->Keyboard shortcuts" didnt even list this value but the option was there.
[00:53] <BlueEagle> doug16k: It is not hard, but overwhelming users with choices that are not going to be changed by 98+% of users is not a good idea either.
[00:53] <Squarism> so it was "overwhelm" + inconsistent then
[00:54] <Squarism> ...and hiding of information
[00:54] <doug16k> that's why you put all those in some "advanced setup" area where you basically warned them that they probably don't need to touch it, by being "advanced" settings
[00:55] <doug16k> then nitpicky people feel happy that they can control everything
[00:55] <Squarism> The problem on linux is that many applications conflict their shortcuts with "OS/window manager" ones
[00:55] <deltab> siwica: any processes still using it? lsof should tell you
[00:55] <Squarism> then its pretty damn important this shit works
[00:56] <BlueEagle> doug16k: If you're advanced then dconf editor is the tool for you. Maybe there should be a notification that these settings are available in that tool?
[00:57] <BlueEagle> Squarism: If that is the language you are going to use then I will abandon this conversation at this point.
[01:04] <doug16k> I was never 100% sure what tweak too was completely compatible with the desktop I had installed
[01:04] <doug16k> so completely disjoint, still don't
[01:04] <doug16k> "dconf" matches up with "gnome"? how?
[01:05] <doug16k> what's "d"
[01:06] <droid3> stupid question if i put my deb file on my github account is there a way to add it to the apt-get or software center software like a ppa would be???
[01:07] <doug16k> droid3, like this? https://assafmo.github.io/2019/05/02/ppa-repo-hosted-on-github.html
[01:12] <droid3> i have the .deb file made how do i get a ppa like url for it if i push it up to github
[01:13] <doug16k> what that page says. change /path/to/my/package-a_0.0.1_amd64.deb to your actual deb file
[01:13] <doug16k> and replace the placeholders like ${GITHUB_USERNAME} with actual information
[01:14] <doug16k> machines need to be sure it is really the package and not tampered, therefore you must do the gpg thing for authenticity verification
[01:15] <doug16k> apt can check and be very certain the package is not tampered
[01:17] <doug16k> step 1 generates keys that it uses to sign the packages
[01:18] <doug16k> this makes it difficult to "infect" deb files with malicious modifications
[01:19] <droid3> this shit doesnt work i have https://github.com/myusername/testdeb
[01:20] <droid3> and in the software center app i am on others and adding a url it all greyed out to add this url wtf
[01:29] <droid3> so i made the github webpage and uploaded the deb wtf
[01:29] <droid3> how can you enter the apt line if the fuck add source button is greyed out
[01:30] <droid3> do i need more then the .deb file up there ???
[01:31] <droid3> can anybody give me way to do it without all the gpg bullshit stuff
[01:31] <droid3> i mean you should people to easily create a github webpage or new repo with a github webpage and upload the .deb file to the main/root directory of it
[01:32] <droid3> but for some reason the apt lines you cannt add source leave it for package manager simplifying shit
[02:15] <dust> automatic backup fails and also several manual tries after that with: Invalid data - SHA1 hash mismatch for file:
[02:18] <SpungeBob> i haz peeniss
[02:33] <cholby> i like cheeeeeeeeeeeeese
[02:33] <cholby> CHEEEEEEESE
[02:33] <cholby> I LIKE CHEESE
[02:33] <dax> hi cholby
[02:34] <cholby> hi
[02:34] <cholby> who are you even?
[02:34] <cholby> are you curzon?
[02:34] <dax> ezri, actually.
[02:34] <dax> could you take the cheese out of my channels, perhaps?
[02:40] <ComputerTech> -bash: wget: command not found
[02:40] <ComputerTech> i tried build-essential, installed several packages
[02:40] <ComputerTech> still same
[02:40] <ComputerTech> :(
[02:41] <jess> have you installed wget
[02:41] <dax> !info wget
[02:41] <ComputerTech> jess, i have did apt install wget
[02:41] <ComputerTech> let me grab the error
[02:41] <ComputerTech> sec
[02:41] <R13ose> Can I ask about which email provider to go with?
[02:42] <ComputerTech> hmm
[02:42] <ComputerTech> jess, it seems i was incorrect
[02:42] <ComputerTech> i installed some packages, and now did apt install wget, and it now works
[02:42] <ComputerTech> :D
[02:42] <ComputerTech> Thanks :)
[02:42] <jess> \o/
[02:45] <cholby> dax, affirmative.  no more cheezes.
[03:00] <N3bulaK> Hey
[03:01] <R13ose> Hey
[03:01] <N3bulaK> I am cherry picking some apps to be migrated to fresh installation on SSD
[03:01] <N3bulaK> some apps just work by copying the folders over
[03:01] <N3bulaK> but others won't :S
[03:03] <N3bulaK> wondering if someone can put me in the right direction please?
[03:07] <signofzeta> Not sure, N3bulaK.  Are they snaps, or installed via apt/apt-get?
[03:10] <N3bulaK> some are snaps
[03:10] <N3bulaK> like Bluemail for example
[03:11] <signofzeta> well, all my snaps are stored in ~/snap.  Perhaps you can just move that over.  I'm no snap expert, sadly.  Everything else tends to save everything in a dot-folder in ~.
[03:12] <N3bulaK> When I try to copy Bluemail folder, the app won't run but if I delete the copied folder then it would open :S
[03:12] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question?
[03:13] <signofzeta> R13ose: I just got back to my keyboard. Can you repeat?
[03:13] <R13ose> Can I ask about which email provider to go with?
[03:14] <signofzeta> I run my own in an Amazon VM.  What are you looking for in an email provider?    I want something similar to riseup.net if I can't figure out a way  to get one of them.
[03:17] <signofzeta> i don't have a Riseup invite, either. how about Protonmail, Tutanota, StartMail, or one of the other post-Snowden ones?
[03:18] <R13ose> Which is the best alternative to riseup?
[03:19] <signofzeta> Riseup is just an IMAP/SMTP service. they offer other services besides email, but if email is all you want, perhaps Startmail is the closest.  It's run by the same guys who run the Startpage search engine.
[03:21] <R13ose> Oh Startmail is not free :(
[03:21] <signofzeta> no, it's not, sorry.  they have to make money somehow.  Look into Protonmail.  I hear good things about it.
[03:25] <R13ose> How do I keep email synced between mobile and desktop if I use an email provider that has little space?
[03:26] <signofzeta> that's the downside of IMAP, unfortunately. when I was on Windows, I archived my old email into an app called MailStore Home.  you'd have to do something similar, even if it's copying things into (let's say, Thunderbird's) offline folders.
[03:27] <signofzeta> i still have to get my emails out of that local store.
[03:30] <R13ose> I need to think about what to do
[03:30] <signofzeta> yeah, the only "right" solution is Gmail, but then you're at Google's mercy, which is a deal-breaker for many.
[03:31] <R13ose> I have Gmail now but space is running out and for personal reasons, I want to switch.
[03:33] <N3bulaK> R13ose: if you have an iPhone then look into iCloud
[03:33] <R13ose> Using Android
[03:35] <OceanGao> Does this channel supports WSL(Windows Subsystem for Linux)?
[03:36] <Bashing-om> !wsl | OceanGao
[03:38] <OceanGao> Does this channel supports Anlinux?
[03:42] <R13ose> This channel is for Ubuntu
[04:32] <guiverc> No one remembers an easy tool to convert old wordstar files to plain text (esp. wordstar 2000 which I think is different)... looks easy to convert, but if a tool exists I'd appreciate it
[04:32]  * guiverc sees a linuxquestions solution; just in case anyone remembers something :)
[04:37] <guiverc> `joe` does a pretty good job of reading it without conversion :)
[06:33] <cholby> any experienced hackers here?
[06:34] <cholby> we are looking for experts to join us for a special operation being coordinated from ##cunt, join there for details if you have hacking experience
[07:31] <mertgor> hi there!
[07:31] <mertgor> Drone: hi
[07:34] <ducasse> morning
[07:40] <mertgor> ducasse: Good Morning !
[07:51] <ducasse> \o
[08:12] <Ascavasaion> george benson
[08:12] <Ascavasaion> Oops, wrong room, sorry.
[08:48] <gxt> Hello, I'm inexperienced with Ubuntu but familiar with other distributions, so a friend of me turned to me for help. His /boot was full, so he started deleting files in there and his computer won't boot now. Is booting from a live system and chrooting a viable way of fixing this?
[08:54] <cxl> Hi, I have a systemd question. If I want to enable a unit for a user, can I `systemctl --user enable myunit.timer` without that user being logged it? It only creates symlinks afaik, right? Will it then be started whenever the user logs in or will the user also need to run `systemctl --user start myunit.timer`?
[08:57] <gxt> cxl: From the man page of systemctl: "--user  Talk to the service manager of the calling user, rather than the service manager of the system." So you have to use for example `sudo -U`
[09:01] <cxl> gxt: yes that's the problem, it doesn't work well with ansible. So I was thinking maybe I could manually copy the timer and service files to that user's directory, and then add the symlink myself to timers.target.wants but I don't know if that's enough so that when the user logs in, the timers are enabled too or not.
[09:32] <gxt> I've researched a bit and I'll try to talk my friend through decrypting with `cryptsetup open --type luks`, then `mount`ing both / and /boot inside of it, then `dpkg -V --instdir=/mnt` to check which required files got deleted.
[09:35] <gxt> Or actually just `chroot /mnt` first, as apt doesn't seem to have an option to act on an alternative path. So `chroot /mnt`, then `dpkg -V`, `apt autoremove` and `apt install …` the packages again that dpkg found in the prior step.
[10:02] <alexa> How to change the url in the current tab (chromium) from terminal?
[10:10] <Kurozen> Hello
[10:10] <alexa> hi
[10:11] <Kurozen> I want to install what seems like a PPA with Muon Package Manager, because I started off with it and never used command line apt ever so I don't want to spred my installs between package managers too mach if possible
[10:11] <Kurozen> Node JS provides this line which I have no idea what it does: curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_14.x | sudo -E bash -
[10:12] <Kurozen> Which apparently later figured it may be setting up a PPA with APT ?
[10:12] <EriC^^> Kurozen: it downloads something and runs feeds it to bash with sudo
[10:12] <EriC^^> Kurozen: if you download  curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_14.x  and then open it with gedit it should show you what it does
[10:12] <Kurozen> And to figure out what it actually runs I would need to check that Url ?
[10:13] <EriC^^> Kurozen: yeah
[10:13] <EriC^^> Kurozen: why not stick with the ubuntu repos? easier and more secure
[10:13] <Kurozen> nodejs 10.x is way too old
[10:13] <EriC^^> !info nodejs focal
[10:14] <Kurozen> perhaps -way but it's old
[10:14] <EriC^^> ok
[10:14] <Kurozen> 14.x is the current LTS, wit 15 current
[10:15] <Kurozen> It is apparently the official PPA for NODE.JS, however I'm still a bit fresh to linux and I don't know the terminology of groovy, focal, bionic, buster etc
[10:15] <EriC^^> i guess you need a ppa then
[10:15] <EriC^^> !info nodejs
[10:15] <Kurozen> I found this tho, but it's not giving me the "full APT line" that Muon Package Manager wants https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/nodejs_14.x
[10:15] <EriC^^> Kurozen: focal is the latest LTS of ubuntu, 20.04
[10:16] <Kurozen> Sorry not Muon, but Software Sources (opened throuhg Muon)
[10:16] <EriC^^> Kurozen: that link has instructions to add a ppa to the apt system
[10:16] <Kurozen> I'll show up in the Software Sources GUI if I do it thorugh apt in Terminal ?
[10:17] <EriC^^> yeah i think so
[10:17] <Kurozen> So basically for Muon to work with it.
[10:17] <EriC^^> if anything, running sudo apt-get install nodejs should install the newest version, which would be the ppa one after adding it
[10:17] <EriC^^> you have to run sudo apt-get update to add it to the list of available packages after running the 'echo' line
[10:17] <EriC^^> then it should be in the system
[10:18] <Kurozen> I already have one PPA for Git, but I added the PPA line directly, I didn't had to do any "curl or sh" or gpg key commands in that case
[10:19] <EriC^^> yeah, if you want to see currently which nodejs it will pull, do 'apt-cache policy nodejs' it will show the candidate version
[10:20] <Kurozen> It may have been done automatically, but I'd preferrably do it one way (in this case through the gui)
[10:20] <EriC^^> no idea about the gui, i guess you could add the source in software & updates
[10:36] <Kurozen> I had to do "deb url focal main"
[10:37] <Kurozen> And also added the GPG key with curl in terminal, seems like the "Import Key.." button in software sources GUI doesn't work
[10:39] <Kurozen> Hmm
[10:40] <Kurozen> How come ARK takes ages to open a zip.xz.tar.gzip file .. whereas WinRAR on Windows is instant ?
[10:41] <Kurozen> or perhaps it has to decompress the whole thing to get directory/file listing, what a bad design in the file format then, tar or .xz or whatever
[10:47] <EriC^^> Kurozen: i doubt it has to decompress
[10:48] <Kurozen> Though, I've mostly been opening git repos
[10:49] <Kurozen> With ARK
[10:51] <Kurozen> Perhaps a lot of files, it's extracting now firefox repo for 5 minutes, it feels like it froze, no progress bar.
[10:52] <Kurozen> If I could see disk activity ... KSysGuard doesn't have it AFAIK.
[11:22] <spectrezh> ANyone please help me.. Im really stuck with adopting a new unifi flex switch mini..
[11:23] <spectrezh> Never touched them before.. But I am having huge problems..  But my unifi is not on the 192.168.1.x network..
[11:24] <Kurozen> Extracts a directory tree throwing out all files in same folder
[11:24] <spectrezh> When I have done this in the past I have SSH in to the switch.. But cant do that now..
[11:29] <OceanGao> Em...Em...I've never seen problems like this... What's more, I'm only using the command line of ubuntu...
[11:31] <OceanGao> Are you using a special wifi? Sometimes the wifi may not on the 192.168.1.x network, like in public or in your office.
[11:33] <OceanGao> Oh that's hell
[11:34] <OceanGao> Bunch of VLANs?
[11:34] <OceanGao> I'm confused too...
[11:42] <OceanGao> @spectrezh, which way do you separate those VLANs?
[11:42] <spectrezh> Hi OceanGao
[11:43] <spectrezh> May I PM you.. I notice I wrote this question in ubuntu channel and ppl will go mad soon.. I misread it as ubiquity channel..
[11:45] <OceanGao> I may not read the messages, because I don't have much time...
[11:45] <spectrezh> Ok But quickly then
[11:45] <spectrezh> I have a pfsense router. there I have set up different VLANs
[11:46] <spectrezh> I created a "default" LAN there for 192.168.0.x network and I notice they get picke dup now as <IP_ADDRESS> and 101 in my DHCP server
[11:46] <spectrezh> the flex mini switches
[11:46] <spectrezh> But they are not availible for adoption in my controller.. obviously.. the controler is on 192.168.100.x network..
[11:46] <spectrezh> I dont know how, without SSH (missing on these flex minis) to get them to adopt to the controller..
[11:48] <OceanGao> So do I...I've never used a pfsense router before...
[11:48] <spectrezh> ok so you think this is not anything that can be fixed on the unifi side.. but rather the router side .. ?
[11:51] <OceanGao> I don't know much about these... So I'm just guessing where you can fix it...
[11:53] <OceanGao> You may have to have a look at the official documents, or ask someone else...
[11:53] <OceanGao> Is it possible for me to leave the channel? I've got something else to do.
[11:54] <_Trullo> leave
[11:54] <OceanGao> I have to leave the channel now...Bye.
[11:55] <spectrezh> :O
[11:55] <_Trullo> did you adopt them on the controller?
[11:56] <gxt> I'm walking a friend through recovering an Ubuntu install from a live system and after chrooting into it, lots of commands fail with errors about missing shared libs. Among those is apt, dpkg works though. Any advice on how to proceed?
[11:56] <_Trullo> set-inform http://ip-of-controller:8080/inform
[12:03] <_Trullo> https://community.ui.com/questions/USW-Flex-Mini-adoption-issues/aaa4ea86-7d62-406d-9698-e8d11091cc49
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:43] <nbusrone> hi , I forgot what is irc command.How do I check for all channel in the server freenode.net ? http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml page not found.
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> !alis | nbusrone
[12:44] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : thanks
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> gxt: if you want volunteers to help you, please include details and usefull logs in a pastebin so the volunteers can think along with you
[12:59] <doug16k> what is it doing when you `apt install dnsmasq`? not installing dnsmasq apparently
[13:00] <doug16k> there is no /sbin/dnsmasq like libvirt expects
[13:01] <doug16k> only /usr/sbin/dnsmasq-disabled
[13:04] <doug16k> I fixed it, I renamed that lol
[13:42] <Dus10> well, I am trying to supply a cloud-init file to 20.04 install and I would like to do it with a local file on a "floppy".  I used to be able to do this with anaconda by supplying something like fd0:/anaconda-ks.cfg... the documentation for autoinstall mentioned that it can be done with ds=nocloud;s=file://...
[13:42] <Dus10> it just doesn't have any examples of how I could supply a path to a file on an unmounted floppy
[14:53] <lionrouge> Hi!
[14:53] <lionrouge> Does anyone have issues with printers with 20.04?
[14:53] <lionrouge> I can't get my Epson L4160 working
[14:54] <lionrouge> on previous Ubuntu it worked ok with official drivers
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: did 'add printer' do something or did you download epson drivers from the site?
[14:58] <lionrouge> first, add printer annoyed me to death automatically adding the printer
[14:58] <lionrouge> (it's a network one)
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: drivers show here; https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule
[14:58] <lionrouge> of course I got them there
[14:58] <lionrouge> and I even tried previous version (1.7.7) from Ubuntu repo
[14:58] <lionrouge> neither works
[14:58] <lionrouge> I can add printer it just doesn't print
[14:59] <lionrouge> and both GUI and CUPS (I tried to do all this from CUPS web interface)
[14:59] <lionrouge> both of them shows some connection issues
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: can you journalctl -f and plug in your printer in and pastebin us the output?
[15:00] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, I can't PLUG IT IN, it works over Wi-fi
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> right
[15:00] <lionrouge> you mean try to add it in GUI?
[15:00] <lionrouge> or just turn it on?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: whatever you try, keep the journalctl -f open, see if you can catch useful errors
[15:19] <elstellino> Happy Sunday! A Kernel question: I saw there is a new kernel available to download, but no change log. After google and NSA tried to sneak in the algorithms in the Linux Kernel (I believe in 4.17 or so) I am very wary and always check. So, the new 5.4.0-54.60 shows "no changelog available" and would like to know what changed. Yes, I can avoid to install it, but following kernel versions will implement the same unknown changes, of course.
[15:20] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, well I found something
[15:21] <lionrouge> when I ran `journalctl -f -u cups` I got nothing except messages about missing /etc/securetty
[15:21] <jeremy31> elstellino: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_5.4.0-54.60/changelog
[15:21] <lionrouge> which seems to be a bug - outdated config
[15:22] <lionrouge> but when I run full log - `journalctl -f` I got interesting messages that can be related
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> elstellino: current kernel should be 5.4.0-56-generic
[15:22] <elstellino> jeremy31, thanks, I’ve been looking for days!
[15:23] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jXDNQtTYX4/
[15:23] <elstellino> lotuspsychje, I am actually on mint, but asked here because I suspected you guys knew, which was the case. :)
[15:26] <elstellino> in any case I saved the changelogs link if it happens again, jeremy31 – stellar!
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: i dont seem to find relevant existing bugs for your epson model
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: maybe you might wanna consider filing a new bug for it
[15:35] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, where do I do it?
[15:36] <lionrouge> btw, I get this very printer working from Fedora on another PC in this local network
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: ubuntu-bug packagename from terminal
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: not sure, but your journal logs mention your errors on gnome control centre, so maybe file to that package
[15:38] <lionrouge> I tried to add this printer by dnssd and by ipp
[15:38] <lionrouge> are there any other ways to consider?
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: another idea could be trying printer-driver-escpr from our repos instead of epson site
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: system up to date too?
[15:39] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, yup. And freshly installed
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> allright
[15:39] <lionrouge> and I tried those drivers from the repo
[15:39] <lionrouge> same effect
[15:40] <lionrouge> thanks for advice
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: ok, so do you see your printer getting added in gnome control centre?
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: just for some testing you could also try; remove printer from control centre/reboot/journalctl -f/re add printer again and see if you can reproduce those errors
[15:44] <lionrouge> yes it's added
[15:44] <lionrouge> depending on how I add it it has sometimes URI missing, drivers missing, etc.
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> if you can reproduce, i would proceed with the bug
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> should work out of the box right
[16:03] <punkgeek> I hve this error when I want to install any kinds of environment in ubuntu 12.04 or debian 10. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mNVWQWfm4J/ What is it for?
[16:04] <leftyfb> !eol | punkgeek
[16:04] <leftyfb> punkgeek: Ubuntu 12.04 is no longer supported
[16:09] <leftyfb> punkgeek: also, as you were told yesterday, we cannot support installing ubuntu or it's packages on Android. Try #ubuntu-arm
[16:15] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, check out this https://docs.google.com/document/d/13M_8ylqOH2mE78ojXFWbCuS0QQMtNphRVDwhC96LMTk/edit?usp=sharing
[16:16] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, bug with crash after printer turned on, journalctl log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yQ4n7n5Fd2/
[16:16] <lionrouge> journalctl log of trying to add printer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MnzJtJM953/
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: gnome-control-c[4293]: cups-pk-helper: addition of printer L4160 failed: server-error-internal-error
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: i would go for the bug file
[16:39] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, you mean there is a special log file for this error somewhere?
[16:48] <pbx> Hi all! In upgrading my machine to hirsute I seem to have broken something. On boot, my desktop manager (LightDM) shows up, but I can't get XFCE (or XMonad) to load. It just seizes up. However, if I open a virtual console (ctrl-alt-Fx) and type 'startx', I _am_ able to start XMonad (though not XFCE; isn't listed). Any advice on next troubleshooting steps?
[16:50] <tomreyn> !hirsuite
[16:52] <pavlos> pbx: you're testing 21.04 ?
[16:52] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | pbx
[16:53] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, this is it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8rCG2Z9bDJ/
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: no, i mean proceed with the ubuntu-bug procedure
[17:08] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, oh, ok
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: looks a bit similar to bug #1906309
[17:22] <conr> is it possible to login on startup with a Screen Sharing active or does it always have to be physically on the device?
[17:28] <Jazzy_J> conr, could you give a little more information?  Are you trying to build a thin client?
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: are you behind a VPN?
[17:30] <conr> Jazzy_J: i have ubuntu 20.04 desktop locally at home and have mac devices connecting to it via vnc. would like to restart ubuntu and sign in remotely.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> conr: be carefull with vnc, the service gets hammered big time
[17:32] <conr> lotuspsychje: what do you mean hammered? like spiders/bots?
[17:32] <Jazzy_J> conr: is this all on an internal network?
[17:32] <Jazzy_J> VNC makes a lot of calls back and front from the target computer.
[17:35] <Jazzy_J> There are many ways to do this.  However, my mother-in-law just walked it.  X2Go is a potential solution and XDCMP (sp?) is another. X11VNC is what I use.
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> conr: yes, when your vnc port is exposed to the outside it will get scanned and connected
[17:36] <Jazzy_J> Another is to secure all transmissions with ssh and do port forwarding to the local computer.
[17:37] <conr> i'm not connecting via internet, just local network. devices sit right next to each other but use a vnc window so i only use one keyboard/mouse.
[17:38] <conr> yes i do ssh tunnels
[17:39] <ace_me> should this work ?  CREATE USER '$site_name@localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '$site_user_password';
[17:43] <conr> Jazzy_J: i have a vnc client already and love it but doesn't seem vnc server starts until after logging in to  ubuntu.
[17:44] <lionrouge> lotuspsychje, nope
[17:44] <conr> so there's no way to remotely start desktop? it has to be headless?
[17:53] <ace_me> how to separate variable to be able to output only its value and not {} echo "--CREATE MAIN {$site_name}_BLOG DB"; ?
[17:54] <ace_me> like a concatenate with _BLOG string ?
[17:54] <tomreyn> conr: there are VNC server implementations which start with the login manager, and let you login through it graphically via vnc, and others which only start when the desktop manager starts, which then require a local user to login first.
[17:55] <tomreyn> conr: You seem to be using the second type so far. Jazzy already suggested options for the first type above.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> lionrouge: allright, so if you think its the same bug as posted above, please affect it, if not file a new one with ubuntu-bug
[17:56] <tomreyn> ace_me: is this about bash? then the relevant manual is man bash -> VARIABLE EXPANSION
[17:56] <ace_me> ${site} found it
[17:56] <ace_me> tjx
[17:57] <ace_me> thx
[17:57] <tomreyn> ace_me: there's #bash, too
[17:57] <ace_me> the answer like this is much simpler and faster ;)
[17:57] <ace_me> ${site}_blog
[18:04] <Dus10> hey folks, with anaconda, one could load a cfg from a floppy during install referencing hd:fd0:/anaconda-ks.cfg... I am trying to automate similarly with Ubuntu 20.04 and it uses subiquity. Anyone know if there is something similar for it? I am trying ds=nocloud;s=file:// but the various things I have tried don't work and the documentation provides no examples for local files
[18:18] <tomreyn> Dus10: /join #ubuntu-server    but more realistically you have a better chance of getting an answer by filing a documentation bug on the subiquity project on github.
[18:42] <Dus10> well, I found a workaround
[18:42] <Dus10> I didn't realize that Packer establishes an HTTP server for this very purpose
[18:43] <Dus10> so I am switching to `ds=nocloud-net;s=http=//{{ .HTTPIP }}:{{ .HTTPPort }}/`
[18:44] <Dus10> 20.04.1 didn't work well, so I am trying now with 20.10
[18:47] <mozzarella> help me
[19:46] <mozzarella> why can I never use my printer
[19:47] <rjwiii> ummmm ... can you be a little more specific?
[19:48] <mozzarella> I send a print job, it says "pending" in the print queue, but my printer doesn't print anything
[19:51] <robertparkerx> I want to upgrade to 20.04. I was told to remove||move ppa source list. My provider also has a source list there. Is it safe to remove all of them from sources.d (cannot remember path)
[19:56] <tomreyn> robertparkerx: if your hosting provider just mirrors ubuntu apt archives, it's fine to keep using those for your current ubuntu release, no need to remove those. that's not what 'third party repositories' would be considered (even though it may not be official mirrors).
[19:57] <robertparkerx> tomreyn it's hetzner
[19:58] <tomreyn> unrelated to these repository mirrors: just removing third party apt sources does not put you in a situation that's safe for a release upgrade, though
[19:58] <robertparkerx> I am concerned about if I upgrade and leave the lists there. I was told to remove ppa but I don't recognize the hetzner list either.
[19:58] <robertparkerx> Oh
[19:58] <robertparkerx> Well shucks
[19:59] <robertparkerx> What steps do I need to do if I remove them all?
[19:59] <tomreyn> if there is textual content on your computer you'd like to get feedback on (where ubuntu support related), posting it to a pastebin and posting the pastebin link here would be the best approach.
[19:59] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[20:00] <tomreyn> this tool does both: "disable a PPA from your sources" AND "revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages"
[20:00] <tomreyn> that's what you probably want to prepare for a release upgrade
[20:01] <robertparkerx> I see
[20:03] <tomreyn> once you're done with ppa-purge, review the remaining repositories (or have them reviewed here), then install and run apt-forktracer to get a better idea of which remaining third party packages you have installed.
[20:03] <tomreyn> or rather "untracked packages", not just "third party"
[20:20] <conr> tomreyn: i got x11vnc setup and working IF i login first. my startup config is not working. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xfgHRZJWYP/
[20:21] <punkgeek> I have problem in ubuntu-arm repo which seems the hash file is different, which i've tried to download the package many time and it doesn't works, here is the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qbjrpTKxWJ/
[20:26] <cube1> Advice needed: I'm making an application without using a toolkits. I'm wondering what's the convention around fonts on Linux/Ubuntu. Is there a default system-wide font? Is there ever per application font selection?
[20:32] <cube1> welp, ubuntu froze
[20:35] <cube1> oh this is a support channel haha
[20:38] <pavlos> cube1: maybe #ubuntu-app-dev is a channel to ask app dev questions
[21:24] <conr> how do i know which login manager i use?
[21:27] <mefistofeles> conr: I guess you can check if gdm is running with something like `ps aux | grep gdm` and try with a bunch and see :P, there's a link to the service somewhere but I cannot remember where
[21:28] <imbezol> cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[21:28] <conr> gdm3
[21:29] <conr> so if i want to start x11vnc BEFORE startup i need to put the script in there?
[21:30] <conr> here -> /etc/gdm3/Init/Default?
[21:30] <oerheks> make a proper systemd starter for x11vnc, sure there are examples
[21:30] <oerheks> with something 'after networking'
[21:31] <conr> oerheks: in here /etc/systemd/system?
[21:31] <conr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xfgHRZJWYP/
[21:31] <MIF> How would I set up a Tunnel to my server from another server and use port forwarding?
[21:32] <MIF> If that makes cence
[21:32] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#x11vnc
[21:33] <MIF> I don't have a desktop
[21:33] <MIF> and I don't have root on the first server, only the server I want it to connect to
[21:36] <imbezol> what are you trying to tunnel?
[21:37] <pavlos> MIF: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-setup-ssh-tunneling/
[21:37] <MIF> I am tiring to tunnel my irc server
[21:38] <imbezol> IRC runs on the one you don't have root on?
[21:38] <MIF> no
[21:38] <MIF> the one I have root on
[21:38] <MIF> I need to tunnel from the one I have root on
[21:38] <imbezol> so you want to be able to connect to it over an SSH tunnel to the server with root then?
[21:38] <MIF> I want to have people be able to access my IRC server
[21:39] <MIF> but my ISP said the there is a issue with inbound public IP
[21:39] <imbezol> so you want to create a port on the non-root server that people can connect to which will forward to the other server on the irc port then
[21:39] <MIF> yes
[21:40] <imbezol> you need to use -L with ssh to forward a local port then
[21:40] <MIF> It cannot access my other server
[21:41] <imbezol> you can't connect over ssh to the other server?
[21:41] <MIF> MY server I am on my network so I can
[21:41] <MIF> I have root on that server
[21:41] <MIF> My other server I do Not have root on
[21:41] <imbezol> the server you do not have root on... can it connect to the one you do have root on, with ssh?
[21:42] <MIF> No
[21:42] <imbezol> can you connect with ssh the other way then?
[21:42] <MIF> yes
[21:42] <imbezol> on your server with root, then you need to use ssh with -R to forward a remote port
[21:42] <MIF> ok
[21:42] <MIF> what would that look like?
[21:43] <MIF> the port on my Non root server is 45383
[21:45] <imbezol> something like... ssh -N -f -R <remoteserver_ip>:45383:localhost:6667 <user>@<remoteserver>
[21:45] <imbezol> assuming your ircd is on 6667
[21:45] <MIF> ok
[21:45] <MIF> yes
[21:45] <imbezol> the remote server would also have to allow this in the sshd_config
[21:46] <imbezol> it may not
[21:46] <imbezol> "grep -i allowtcpforwarding /etc/ssh/sshd_config" on that server
[21:48] <MIF> ok
[21:48] <MIF> when I run grep -i allowtcpforwarding /etc/ssh/sshd_config I do not get a output
[21:48] <imbezol> just try the forward and see if it works
[21:49] <MIF> I did and I get ECONNREFUSED
[21:50] <imbezol> what gives that error? ssh? or your irc client?
[21:50] <MIF> irc client
[21:51] <MIF> it tells me to login when I run it
[21:51] <imbezol> no errors when you created the tunnel tho?
[21:51] <MIF> nope
[21:51] <imbezol> can you see the connection on your ircd?
[21:51] <MIF> yes and it does not connect
[21:52] <imbezol> you should be able to just telnet <remoteserver>:45383
[21:52] <imbezol> if the tunnel's working, you should see some stuff
[21:53] <MIF> Ok, let me try that
[21:53] <MIF> I had to switch the port because someone grabed it before I could
[21:54] <MIF> telnet: could not resolve <IP_ADDRESS>:42765/telnet: Name or service not known
[21:54] <imbezol> try a space instead of a :
[21:55] <MIF> ok
[21:55] <MIF> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[21:55] <MIF> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[21:59] <imbezol> you could log into the remote server... run "ps fauxw | grep ssh" ... see if you can see your ssh tunnel session there.. or you could run "ss | grep ssh" or "ssh | grep 45383" etc..
[21:59] <imbezol> do some troubleshooting to see if the ssh session is open and the port is open
[22:00] <MIF> 91938  7637<PHONE_NUMBER>000000<PHONE_NUMBER>000000<PHONE_NUMBER>000000<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 SN+  pts/180    0:00 grep 45383
[22:00] <MIF> for ps ssh | grep 45383
[22:02] <MIF> for ps fauxw | grep ssh
[22:02] <MIF> sturtzn+ 23217  0.0  0.0  14792  1008 pts/180  SN+  22:02   0:00  \_ grep ssh
[22:02] <imbezol> if that's all you see then your tunnel isn't up
[22:03] <imbezol> you should see an ssh process with your forwarding parameters
[22:03] <MIF> ok
[22:05] <MIF> so what do I need to do?
[22:18] <conr> oerheks: `Have x11vnc start automatically via systemd in any environment (Vivid+)` means Vivid build or greater, like 20.04?
[22:23] <futurile> conr: yes. In newer versions of Ubuntu systemd is used to create start-up scripts. In your case you want x11vnc to start every time the server starts
[23:01] <jayjo> I'm trying to create a chroot using sbuild for testing building deb packages... my filesystem is ext4, would I benefit from using a btrfs loopback device for these schroots? A lot of resources seem like it benefits builds because each build snapshot can be removed for fresh builds. Can I get those benefits just mounting a raw img file?
[23:03] <blueeagle> jayjo: That question would probably be better answered in a deb development forum as it is a quite advanced topic.
[23:14] <N3bulaK> acquire/1/null failed with code 400: LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS
[23:14] <N3bulaK> any ideas how to fix this please?
[23:15] <blueeagle> N3bulaK: What are you trying to do when you get this message?
[23:18] <robertparkerx> how do you get the ppa-url to use with ppa-purge
[23:39] <N3bulaK> blueeagle: thanks but I got it now
[23:39] <N3bulaK> :D
[23:39] <N3bulaK> blueeagle: wondering if you can help me with gpg2?
[23:40] <blueeagle> !ask | N3bulaK
[23:40] <robertparkerx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed -- this says I can just remove it from sources.list.d
[23:40] <N3bulaK> opps sorry
[23:41] <N3bulaK> is it possible to encrypt a same file/folder with gpg2 rather than creating another output?
[23:42] <blueeagle> N3bulaK: You want to overwrite the file you're encrypting while you're encrypting it or do you want to write the output to a file, delete the original and then rename the output to the same name as the source file?
[23:43] <N3bulaK> overwrite the file
[23:45] <N3bulaK> is that even possible?
[23:45] <blueeagle> N3bulaK: My guess is that it would not work, and it would not be advisable because that would leave the original in a broken state if the encryption is terminated before it is complete.
[23:46] <N3bulaK> ahh make sense
[23:46] <N3bulaK> can we also encrypt the whole folder?
[23:47] <blueeagle> !man gpg2
[23:50] <blueeagle> N3bulaK: The manual does specify a --multifile option
[23:50] <N3bulaK> blueeagle: cool thanks
[23:53] <N3bulaK> blueeagle: another solution I came across is, convert the folder into tar file and then encrypt it :D
[23:54] <N3bulaK> just wanted to share for the knowledge of others
[23:54] <blueeagle> N3bulaK: That would be the preferred way of doing it, but the result is different from your stated objective which was to encrypt all the files in a folder.


[00:43] <paultag> thafreak: I'll have my GPG keys on me
[00:43] <paultag> but I don't drink and sign
[00:55] <canthus13> paultag: trust ALLLLL teh people!
[01:41] <thafreak> well, signing BOF is like 8pm
[01:42] <thafreak> just sign before you drink
[01:42] <thafreak> dog
[02:07] <canthus13> thafreak: In that case, the signing should prolly be around 8am instead.
[02:08] <thafreak> :/
[04:29] <paultag> canthus13: :D
[21:47] <gilbert> paultag: yeah, totally down
[21:47] <gilbert> paultag: just been quite busy lately
[21:47] <gilbert> paultag: u got a plan?
[22:32] <paultag> gilbert: i've got an idea :)
[22:40] <paultag> gilbert: there are bofs, so we could co-opt that to start and move to the hallway or something after
[22:43] <canthus13> Bastard Operators From Schenectady?
[22:49] <paultag> birds of a feather, bro
[22:49] <paultag> bro dawg
[22:51]  * canthus13 likes his expansion better.
[22:52] <paultag> yep :)
[22:53] <paultag> gah
[22:53] <paultag> I need people to code code for me
[23:21]  * canthus13 can write "Hello World" in applesoft basic...
[23:42] <thafreak> so...is there a cli equivalent of sets in python?
[23:43] <thafreak> say I have two text files...and I want to find the lines in common, or the difference
[23:43] <thafreak> or do I just read the two files into python sets :)
[23:44] <paultag> diff
[23:45] <paultag> or cat, sort, uniq, diff
[23:45] <paultag> since you want sets
[23:49] <thafreak> the files are both already sort'd and uniq'd
[23:49] <thafreak> but I don't think diff would work
[23:51] <thafreak> no, I guess diff does work in this situation...


[00:29] <askand> Can someone please assign bug 196021 ?
[00:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196021 in bash "include bash-completion by default in hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196021
[00:30] <ScottK3> To whom do you think it should be assigned?
[00:30] <ScottK2> askand: ^^^
[00:32] <askand> ScottK2: Good question..I'm not very good at this.. everything I know is that it would be good if this bug was solved and that is always easier if it is assigned to the right people :)
[00:45] <ScottK2> askand: I can understand that feeling, but unless you are someone's boss, assigning them work is generally considered rude.  There are lots of bugs it would be 'good' to solve, but we have more bugs than we have developers.  This is unless a team has a policy about assignments (Kernel team has such a policy, but that's not applicable to this bug).
[00:47] <askand> ScottK2: I see :) Yea I kind of hoped someone else was rude enough ;)
[00:52] <JohnPhy1> is there any talk of delaying hardy in the way dapper was delayed?  there seem to be quite a few bugs left to work out/solve.
[00:55] <ScottK2> askand: That sort of rudeness is actually a pretty good way to ensure a bug won't get fixed.
[00:55] <secretlondon> does anyone know the bug number for today's lang pack bug?
[00:56] <greg-g> secretlondon: bug 205440
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[00:57] <greg-g> and go for it, I already had like 5 of them today :)
[00:58]  * secretlondon thanks greg_g
[00:58] <greg-g> :)
[01:00] <secretlondon> 21 dupes!
[01:02] <greg-g> in 17 hours
[01:04] <secretlondon> so not that bad
[01:04] <secretlondon> prob because it's easter
[01:04] <greg-g> yeah, comparatively speaking I suppose.  I was waiting for more since the beta is out and it brings in everyone
[01:04] <greg-g> good point
[01:06] <greg-g> one more
[01:07] <secretlondon> you beat me to it!
[01:07] <secretlondon> I got the chinese one though ;)
[01:07] <greg-g> ;)
[01:09] <greg-g> I need to ask dholbach about the teams thing in the 5-a-day stats.  some people listed two teams after their name, and one person listed themselves twice but with two different teams.  I know that the first case doesn't work (only the first is recognized, at least for me) but I'm wondering if he wants to support this feature or not.
[01:10] <JohnPhy1> Is anyone in here having issues iwth how fonts are rendered on an lcd in gnome terminal or qt apps in hardy?
[01:10] <greg-g> sorry, that was an out-of-nowhere comment
[01:11] <JohnPhy1> specifically, they don't seem to follow the sub-pixel hinting rules set through System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts, but other apps (such as gedit, pidgin) do.
[01:13]  * secretlondon missed the teams thing
[01:14] <greg-g> JohnPhy1: sorry, not on my hardy install right now
[01:14] <greg-g> secretlondon: yeah, it wasn't announced really, I just noticed the .teams file, and the the stats page now has the teams at the bottom
[01:14] <secretlondon> so I should join a team?
[01:16] <wolfger> yes
[01:16] <wolfger> if you're in a LoCo, represent. :-)
[01:16] <wolfger> nothing like a little good-natured rivalry to keep people working hard
[01:16] <secretlondon> i'm not in a loco
[01:17] <wolfger> find or create a team, then
[01:17] <JohnPhy1> greg-g:  Thanks anyway.  I was able to force the correct rendering with a ~/.fonts.conf file, and tried helping out and commenting on bug #190848 , but it didn't seem to help everyone.
[01:17] <wolfger> Team Unaffiliated. :-)
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[01:17] <greg-g> JohnPhy1: gotcha.
[01:23] <secretlondon> I don't feel any great need to fly the flag
[01:24] <secretlondon> and I'm not sure splitting bug triagers into national teams (rather than say product teams) is helpful
[01:25] <greg-g> secretlondon: I hope it doesn't seem like splitting the triagers up, more of a way for locos to have friendly competition
[01:25] <greg-g> I mean, I was waiting for something to poke the ubuntu-ohio team to try and get some border state competition
[01:25] <secretlondon> well it depends if you are in a loco or not, I left the uk team after sexist crap a few years ago
[01:26] <greg-g> ugh, sorry
[01:26] <greg-g> I had no idea
[01:26] <secretlondon> no prob
[01:26] <secretlondon> i've only recently got back involved in ubuntu again for hardy, I dropped out for ages
[01:27] <secretlondon> loads of women have had issues in loco teams, they tend to be more 'matey' and less technical
[01:27] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:28] <greg-g> yeah, I guess unfortunately that is how -michigan is right now.  it is more of a social group with some techie stuff every now and then.
[01:28] <wolfger> I don't see that as a bad thing, though
[01:28] <wolfger> social ties are important to holding a group together
[01:28] <secretlondon> higher entrance requirement = less jerks
[01:29] <secretlondon> and exclude those as people want to socialise away from their wives etc
[01:29] <greg-g> wolfger: I agree on that point too.  We just need to make sure we continue to be welcoming
[01:31] <secretlondon> my lug is fine, my loco - no way
[01:31] <greg-g> interesting
[01:31] <secretlondon> but then my lug is a bit technical
[01:31] <greg-g> I kinda had opposite experiences with the groups here.  but of course I think highly of the loco ;)
[01:32] <secretlondon> i think it depends on who is leading it, and whether they clamp down on non CoC behaviour
[01:32] <secretlondon> the leader of the loco mocked me, or so it felt like
[01:32] <greg-g> that would be me
[01:32] <greg-g> oh, that is horrible!
[01:32] <secretlondon> (not that they ever did anything tbh)
[01:33] <secretlondon> they were all middle aged small businessmen escaping with their toys away from their wives and families
[01:33] <secretlondon> closed space bonding through sexist humour
[01:33] <greg-g> yuck
[01:33] <wolfger> eww
[01:33] <greg-g> I wouldn't be a part of that group either
[01:34] <secretlondon> i may be over exagerating, I felt very excluded
[01:34] <secretlondon> and i'm not a conservative and they all seemed to be
[01:34] <secretlondon> and generally it wasn't fun
[01:34] <greg-g> well, if they weren't welcoming then they pretty much just failed, no question
[01:34] <secretlondon> but they didn't actually *do* anything!
[01:35] <secretlondon> they didn't build ubuntu in the uk, and they weren
[01:35] <secretlondon> weren't obviously doing anything in ubuntu 9with a few exceptions)
[01:35] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:36] <secretlondon> Jono was crap too, someone I have zero respect for
[01:36]  * secretlondon whinges
[01:36] <secretlondon> it felt like this is how ubuntu really is, if you strip away the marketing
[01:37] <greg-g> a boy's club?
[01:40] <secretlondon> well that it was all for show, that behind the facade ubuntu was more hostile to minorities than a normal tech space
[01:40] <secretlondon> so i got involved upstream :)
[01:40] <greg-g> there ya go
[01:41] <secretlondon> I came back to hardy as I wanted hardy not to suck, as the versions post hardy didn't work as well as dapper 9and I still use dapper on my desktop because of this)
[01:41] <secretlondon> I don't deal with social conservatives at the best of times, and certainly not in a voluntary capacity in my own time
[01:42] <greg-g> haha, I hear ya
[01:42] <secretlondon> upstream is cool, and lug is cool
[01:42] <secretlondon> whether I continue with this after hardy is released I dunno
[01:42] <greg-g> what upstream?
[01:42] <secretlondon> I may end up doing gsoc mentoring
[01:42] <secretlondon> tux4kids
[01:43] <secretlondon> I'm involved in tuxpaint
[01:43] <greg-g> right on
[01:43] <secretlondon> we got google summer of code funding
[01:43] <secretlondon> but we dunno how many places yet
[01:44] <greg-g> cool
[02:11] <secretlondon> is it worth allocating firefox 3 bugs from firefox package to firefox 3 package?
[02:37] <JohnPhy1> anyone have any idea why plugging in a wireless mouse would cause intermittent audio issues in mplayer, but not in totem?
[02:39] <secretlondon> it sounds unconnected tbh. I can't see an obvious connection
[02:40] <secretlondon> totem and mplayer could be using different audio backends, or the mouse could be causing problems with cpu usage or memory which could affect audio play
[02:40] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I thought it was unconnected at first too, which is why it took me over a week to track it down.
[02:40] <JohnPhy1> I have watched the first 30 minutes of "casino royale" so many times trying to troubleshoot this!
[02:41] <secretlondon> have you tried with non video?
[02:41] <secretlondon> as video obviously used more resources
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> yeah, mp3's in listen seemed to have slight skips every once in a while as well, but not as severe as mplayer
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> in mplayer it was a giant drop
[02:41] <secretlondon> mplayer and totem can both play audio
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> funny thing is, I don't observe this issue in my laptop
[02:41] <catterly> secretlondon: regarding firefox -> firefox-3.0, that is a good question, I wish I knew the answer as well
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> only desktop
[02:42] <secretlondon> it could be a lack of ram
[02:42] <secretlondon> I dunno
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> .......maybe.......but it occurs even if it's the first thing I do, and I have a gig of ram
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> I'm just looking for ideas, as I'm fresh out
[02:43] <JohnPhy1> do you know what audio backend totem uses?
[02:43] <JohnPhy1> mplayer uses alsa on my setup, I know
[02:43] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, there is a script you can run on the wiki to help debug audio errors
[02:43] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, it can use gstreamer or xine
[02:44] <secretlondon> many people use totem -xine as it has better support for dvd menus
[02:44] <secretlondon> it'll all use alsa I expect, but hardy has pulse audio too just to add to the mix
[02:44] <secretlondon> audio is a mess ;
[02:44] <secretlondon> ;)
[02:45] <catterly> haha, isn't Pulse supposed to clean it all up?
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> lol I've noticed.  The issue occurs in gutsy and hardy
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon, can you give me the link to that script?
[02:45] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, I'll have a look
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> ty
[02:46] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:47] <secretlondon> but you could have a bug in mplayer..
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> well, skips in the audio occurred in listen as well.....can't remember if they also occurred in xmms
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> and it only happens when I plug in that mouse
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> but only on my desktop, not my laptop
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> my mind melted while working on this for a week or so
[02:55] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  thanks for the info
[02:55] <secretlondon> could be kernel, could be anything..
[02:55]  * secretlondon scrapes up your mind
[02:55] <JohnPhy1> lol thanks
[02:56] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  yeah, my only educated guess is either something with a different sound backend, or some goofy conflict between the modules that get loaded for this and my motherboard's chipset (since I cannot reproduce the bug on my laptop with a different chipset).  That, or just a hardware problem.
[02:58] <secretlondon> i'm guessing that playing video is resource hungry and a lack of resources is demonstrating itself as audio skipping
[02:58] <secretlondon> I suspect that mplayer is heavier than totem, and that video stresses your system more
[02:59] <secretlondon> this is why you don't really get it when you play aduio without video
[02:59] <secretlondon> oh - are you playing from a dvd drive or from a rip?
[02:59] <secretlondon> that could be another factor ;)
[03:00] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  yeah, I thought so too, but I didn't see anything obvious in the system monitor.  For a while it looked like there were spikes in network activity during the skips, but that wasn't always the case.  Then again, it's probably something not obvious.  Interestingly enough, it all occurred from rips (xvids and such).  DVD's didn't seem to be affected, though I don't think I went back and double checked.
[03:01] <secretlondon> it could be at the xine/gstreamer level, not as far up as alsa
[03:02] <secretlondon> i'll see what backend mplayer uses
[03:02] <JohnPhy1> the audio driver is alsa, I believe, not sure if that's the same thing as the "backend"
[03:03] <secretlondon> I think it actually uses it's own, although it depends on arts
[03:04]  * secretlondon isn't sure
[03:04] <secretlondon> totem by default uses gstreamer, but can use xine
[03:04] <secretlondon> and xine is still better for dvd menus afaik
[03:05]  * secretlondon is probbaly horribly confused
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I just use the xine-ui for playing dvd's most of the time
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> I really don't like the totem interface
[03:05] <secretlondon> ah so you are running totem xine?
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> I don't think so, is there a way I could check?
[03:06] <secretlondon> synpatic
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> totem-xine is not installed
[03:06] <secretlondon> you'll either have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I've got totem-gstreamer
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> I got used to xine-ui back when I used fluxbox on debian, haven't found anything I like better
[03:07] <secretlondon> you may get a better feature set from running totem xine
[03:07] <JohnPhy1> ....never thought about that
[03:08] <calc> er i noticed a bug but don't know what to file it against
[03:08] <JohnPhy1> I just never liked what I saw in the preferences, too little options
[03:08] <secretlondon> calc: bug number?
[03:08] <JohnPhy1> I don't want like, kde level options, but a few more are nice
[03:09] <calc> it might happen in ubuntu as well as kubuntu but in kubuntu if you select install instead of boot it leaves the minimize button active
[03:09] <calc> so you can press it and then lose the installer
[03:09] <calc> secretlondon: haven't filed the bug yet
[03:09] <secretlondon> ok
[03:09] <calc> it might belong to ubiquity but i don't know for certain
[03:10] <secretlondon> calc: if it's the live cd installer then I'd file under ubiquity
[03:10] <secretlondon> if it is in the wrong place they can move (as they know the area the best)
[03:10] <calc> secretlondon: its the installer on the desktop cd but if you select install instead of try out
[03:11] <secretlondon> calc: ubiquity then
[03:12] <calc> ok
[03:14] <juaniv_a> hi
[03:15] <secretlondon> hi
[03:16] <techno_freak> hi
[03:17] <juaniv_a> how are you?
[03:18] <secretlondon> i'm ok
[03:18] <juaniv_a> good
[03:21] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  well I think I'll try "debugging" that issue some more by watching T2 DVD in mplayer :)
[03:22] <juaniv_a> lol
[03:22] <techno_freak> heh
[03:22] <juaniv_a> i have a problem with firefox
[03:22] <juaniv_a> in hardy heron beta
[03:23] <juaniv_a> it start as work offline
[03:23] <juaniv_a> it starts as work offline
[03:23] <juaniv_a> i search for this bug at launchpad
[03:24] <juaniv_a> and it says that as the netkwork managers seems disconnected firefox takes this with dbus
[03:24] <juaniv_a> but i'm connected with pppoe
[03:28] <secretlondon> juaniv_a, known bug
[03:28] <secretlondon> I habe the same connecting with wvdial
[03:29] <juaniv_a> is there a way to fix it ?
[03:30] <secretlondon> I set up a serial connection in network manager which (although it doesn't work) makes nm think i'm online all the time and have manual network configuration
[03:30] <secretlondon> now its gone away (for me)
[03:30] <secretlondon> it's an nm bug tbh, evolution affected to, and epiphany
[03:32] <catterly> Haha I really love all these, 'xxx stops working after resume from suspend' bugs in ubuntu-bugs-announce
[03:33] <catterly> I want to respond to all of them saying "Welcome to Ubuntu!" but that doesn't seem very positive or welcoming at all
[03:33] <secretlondon> they are acpi bugs probably
[03:44] <secretlondon> oh the main bug for the lang pack bug is #205440
[03:45] <secretlondon> oh the main bug for the lang pack bug is bug #205440
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[03:46] <greg-g> secretlondon: isn't that what I gave you before?
[03:46] <secretlondon> yes
[03:47] <secretlondon> but new people are in channel
[03:47] <greg-g> ahh, ok, just making sure
[03:47] <secretlondon> ideally we'd add to /topic
[03:47] <greg-g> I've had a lot of tabs with that bug or duplicate open today, so couldn't copied the wrong one
[03:48] <greg-g> that isn't a bad idea "Dupe-Of-The-Day: 205440"
[03:50] <secretlondon> yep
[03:50] <secretlondon> bug-de-jour
[03:50]  * secretlondon wonders what "select release series" means
[03:54] <greg-g> not sure, all I know is it is time for bed..
[03:55] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  that audio bug occurs when watching dvd's with mplayer
[03:55] <secretlondon> ok
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Can anybody make sense of bug #205866?
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205866 in galculator "[Hardy+PPA]:Cannot launch galculator from home screen, but can launch it from console, it doesn't hildonlized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205866
[06:16] <Fujitsu> menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa? Riight.
[06:23] <secretlondon> Fujitsu, it's presumably something to do with the mobile desktop
[06:24] <secretlondon> the rest of it, including where they got the package from I have *no* idea
[06:24] <Fujitsu> From the Hildon references I presume so... but there's no LP user named menlow, and we at any rate don't support PPA packages.
[06:27] <secretlondon> has lpia mention too, I read it as icon doesn't work, but program does run from the console
[06:28] <secretlondon> they originally wrote "Ubuntu HardyPPA image"
[06:28] <secretlondon> I wonder if they actually mean ppa
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Hildon is for mobile devices, so LPIA is pretty much implied... But the PPA bit has me mystified.
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[06:28] <secretlondon> maybe lpia=ppa
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> No.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Menlow is one of Intel's mobile platforms.
[06:29] <secretlondon> or mbe (or whatever initials we use for mobile)
[06:29] <Fujitsu> So it's a valid bug.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> That image has been referred to by people in #ubuntu-mobile, so it must be real.
[06:30] <secretlondon> ah ok
[09:26] <bbrazil> how do I mark a bug as affecting hardy?
[10:38] <qense> hello
[10:39] <secretlondon> 2 recent submissions of bug #205440
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[10:39] <secretlondon> we'll prob get them all day
[10:39] <secretlondon> qense: hi
[10:40] <qense> I'll watch out for them
[11:22] <techno_freak> secretlondon leads today's 5-a-day ;)
[11:23] <secretlondon> mainly on duplicates ;)
[12:55] <catterly_m> so, I am trying to learn about things. Is bug #205728 invalid because it can be updated anyway without the exception?
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205728 in easycrypt "FeatureFreeze Exceptions for easycrypt-<IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205728
[12:58] <secretlondon> catterly_m I don't know, it was set as invalid as it is claimed that bugfix releases don't need an exception
[12:58] <secretlondon> I don't know if that is true or not
[12:58] <catterly_m> okay
[12:59] <catterly_m> secretlondon: and do you know, if a FeatureFreeze Exception was denied, would that be marked 'Won't Fix'?
[12:59] <secretlondon> invalid
[12:59] <catterly_m> that is confusing :[
[12:59] <secretlondon> as its not a proper bug ;)
[13:00] <secretlondon> won't fix is for bugs that are confirmed but we won't do anything about
[13:00] <catterly_m> yes I suppose, but to someone looking through they may not be able to tell whether it made it in or not
[13:00] <catterly_m> oh ok
[13:02] <secretlondon> all this stuff is on the wiki somewhere ;)
[13:02] <Iulian> Hey
[13:03] <secretlondon> hi Iulian
[13:03] <Iulian> Heya secretlondon
[13:07] <catterly_m> oh secretlondon, did you ever get a consensus on if changing ff3 bug packages from firefox to firefox-3.0 was worthwhile?
[13:07] <secretlondon> no-one replied
[13:07] <secretlondon> it's a public holiday..
[13:09] <pedro_> catterly_m: why do yu want to change them?
[13:10] <pedro_> we still have firefox on previous releases
[13:10] <secretlondon> pedro_ I asked, as there are two packages firefox and firefox 3, and some firefox3 bugs are against firefox
[13:11] <catterly_m> yeah pedro_ that is the exact point
[13:12] <catterly_m> firefox 2 is still in previous releases so if someone files a bug against ff3 but marks the package as just 'firefox', that might imply firefox 2
[13:12] <catterly_m> so I was wondering if bugs against ff3 should be marked firefox-3.0 and not firefox
[13:13] <secretlondon> It seems actually to make more sense for firefox3 and firefox to be merged, as we don't have separate packages for other new releases
[13:14] <qense> I agree with that
[13:14] <qense> we don't have gnome2.20
[13:14] <qense> but maybe there should be an option to select the Ubuntu version to make things easier for us and the developers
[13:14] <catterly_m> I guess, firefox 3 is radically different from 2, though
[13:15] <catterly_m> trying to find a ff3 bug in ff2 or vice versa would be silly and most likely a waste of time
[13:15] <pedro_> qense: indeed having version support on LP would be really nice
[13:18] <qense> firefox is quite different, but there are more packages who change a lot
[13:18] <catterly_m> yeah, I am just wondering what the best way to manage it is
[13:19] <qense> it is true that it can work confusing, but that also is the case with ubuntu releases
[13:19] <catterly_m> if a firefox dev wants to say, what are the bugs ubuntu users are experiencing in the hardy beta, can they do that via distro?
[13:19] <catterly_m> or would they need the firefox vs firefox-3.0 distincition
[13:21] <qense> something else. I sent an email to the bugsquad mailing list, but it hasn't come through the filter since I accidentiatly used my dutch email address. But I think it can be discussed here too.
[13:22] <qense> the idea is too send an email to all upstream maintainers to ask what they'd like to have included in bug reports
[13:22] <catterly_m> okay
[13:22] <qense> we can document that on the wiki
[13:22] <pedro_> better to ask to asac about it
[13:22] <pedro_> since he's the maintainer of whole firefox on ubuntu
[13:22] <qense> and have a checklist to check if the bug contains enough information to forward it upstream
[13:22] <pedro_> we may tell us what's the better for his work
[13:22] <pedro_> and how we can help there
[13:23] <pedro_> s/we/he
[13:23] <catterly_m> it just seems like given an upcoming release and package, there should be a way for devs to determine what bugs against that package will apply to the upcoming release and which will be irrelevant (as they are against an old version and not applicable to the new one in some way)
[13:24] <catterly_m> maybe there is already a way, I am new and don't know that much about the process yet :]
[13:24] <pedro_> that would require a lot of magic :-P
[13:25] <qense> bugzilla has a function to select the version
[13:25] <qense> maybe malone would need something like that too
[13:25] <catterly_m> yeah I think it would just require selecting the version of the package
[13:25] <catterly_m> that seems pretty powerful
[13:27] <qense> is there something like Brainstorm for Launchpad?
[13:28] <pedro_> bug 424
[13:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 424 in malone "Bugs have no fields to specify package or product versions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424
[13:28] <qense> quite an old bug
[13:29] <qense> what the heck, bug 1000 is older
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1000 in ubuntu "There are too many bug reports in Malone" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000
[13:29] <qense> bug 10000*
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 10000 in xorg "xserver-common: X crashed (signal 7) while scrolling in Mozilla" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10000
[13:30] <secretlondon> bug 1000 seems always true ;)
[13:30] <qense> :P
[13:30] <Pici> bug 100000 :(
[13:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[13:31] <pedro_> hahaha
[13:31] <pedro_> nice
[13:31] <qense> that's one weird bug report
[13:33] <qense> he was just in time to report it though
[14:06] <secretlondon> hi bddebian
[14:07] <bddebian> Hi secretlondon
[14:09] <hspaans> can someone confirm a bug in baobab in hardy about moving files to the wrong trash location?
[14:09] <qense> what's the bug number?
[14:10] <hspaans> not yet, I'm trying to see if its a real bug
[14:10] <qense> oh
[14:12] <Iulian> bddebian: No boo today?
[14:12] <Iulian> I'm very disappointed.
[14:12] <bddebian> Doh, yeah, forgot that.. :-(
[14:12] <bddebian> BOOOOOO :)
[14:12]  * Iulian m00s!
[14:13] <Iulian> That's better :)
[14:14] <andersja> hi all, I was directed here from the ubuntu-devel chat
[14:14] <andersja> I've got a problem with Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453 and I was wondering if someone could be kind enough to triage it for a start
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:14] <andersja> it's a complete show stopper for many "mom&pop" desktop users
[14:17] <andersja> as a minimum; a quick triage would be great. suggestions for fixing it before Hardy final would be even better :-)
[14:20] <andersja> anyone?
[14:20] <hspaans> qense: #206017
[14:21] <qense> bug 206017
[14:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206017 in gnome-utils "baobab uses wrong trash location" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206017
[14:21] <qense> now we ve got the link :)
[14:22] <hspaans> *g*
[14:22] <secretlondon> andersja, it's confirmed
[14:22] <secretlondon> it doesn't need triaging
[14:23] <qense> hspaans, is it confirmed by other people than you?
[14:24] <hspaans> qense: official no, I heard people complain yesterday on #ubuntu+1 and my OpenSolaris box hasn't 2.22 yet to see if its an error in GNOME
[14:25] <qense> you could look at bugzilla.gnome.org if it is reported there
[14:26] <hspaans> qense: no refs there, I'm still searching code to see if its an issue in gnome
[14:26] <andersja> secretlondon: can't someone set it to "Medium" or something? I set it to Confirmed myself...?
[14:27] <secretlondon> andersja, did you submit it too?
[14:34] <secretlondon> modem died
[14:34] <Pici> my condolences
[14:35] <secretlondon> looking at the bug I don't know what I could do to it. We know skype doesn't work with pulse audio etc
[14:36] <qense> did I exit from this channel?
[14:36] <qense> anyway
[14:36] <qense> hello
[14:37] <hspaans> 15:27 -!- qense<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Ik ga weg"]
[14:37] <qense> oh :P
[14:37] <qense> I think I accidentiatly closed it
[15:05] <hspaans> are bugs 180794 and 205496 not covering the same issue?
[15:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180794 in sane-backends "access to usb device denied in latest hardy package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180794
[15:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205496 in xsane "[Hardy]Xsane needs root to operate scanner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205496
[15:06] <qense> I think so
[15:54]  * qense is away: I'm busy
[16:00] <asac> qense: if you have questions about mozilla bugs, please join #ubuntu-mozillateam :) ... we certainly can need more folks helping on ffox bug triage :)
[16:01] <rgrig> meta-bug: i want to report some "package not installable" bugs reported by apt-get. i'm searching (at launchpad.net) for "not installable" (with quotes) and i get about 10000 answers, most of them not mentioning that phrase
[16:01] <rgrig> google does a better job
[16:01] <rgrig> is there a better solution to figure out what was reported already?
[16:03]  * qense is back (gone 00:09:41)
[16:04] <james_w> rgrig: looking at the bug lists for the specific package will be a good start to narrow it down.
[16:09] <rgrig> james_w, is there a way to search for bugs of a particular package (other than adding the name in the simple search)?
[16:12] <james_w> rgrig: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sourcepackagename
[16:13] <james_w> then search there, you'll see the URL format that you need.
[16:13] <rgrig> james_w, thanks
[16:29] <burner> ok, so I try to double-click a .tar.lzma file in nautilus and it doesn't know to open it with file-roller.  Where do I report this bug?  nautilus?  file-roller?  mime-type-blah-blah?
[16:32] <james_w> file-roller.desktop lists "application/x-lzma-compressed-tar", so perhaps it is at fault. How to know what mimetype is detected for that file?
[16:37] <burner> uhh...  so you're saying it should open that file
[16:37] <burner> it didn't on my machine and on a friend of mine
[16:38] <burner> here's what I did.  1.) right click file, create archive 2.) pick .tar.lzma 3.) try to double-click new .tar.lzma file
[16:38] <james_w> what creates the file? nautilus or file-roller?
[16:39] <james_w> and is the error message that it is an unsupported format, or that the file is corrupt?
[16:40] <burner> file-roller
[16:40] <james_w> it works ok for me.
[16:41] <james_w> when I double click it though it opens it in gthumb (I used an image file), rather than file-roller.
[16:41] <james_w> Open With... file-roller works though
[16:44] <rgrig> should bug reports involving universe/multiverse be filed in launchpad or only bugs related to packages in main?
[16:46] <james_w> all sections are in launchpad, so yes, universe and multiverse as well
[16:49] <burner> no no, the problem is that it doesn't recognize .tar.lzma by default
[16:51] <james_w> ah, sorry, I misread
[16:53] <james_w> so it's either file-roller for not listing the mimetype in its .desktop file, or whatever detects the mimetypes for detecting the wrong one.
[16:53] <james_w> so, I think if you open a bug report against both the right people will see it to decide.
[16:53] <james_w> explain why you have filed it against both.
[16:53] <james_w> do you know how to file against two packages?
[17:05] <rgrig> ok, here's the problem: in main+universe+multiverse+restricted there are about 150 non-installable packages. what's the best way to report it? main by itself is ok. (this is found by a tool we wrote as a side-effect of some research)
[17:07] <rgrig> (that's about 0.5% of the total number of packages)
[17:19] <james_w> is this edos?
[17:20] <rgrig> no
[17:21] <james_w> rgrig: you could either file bugs on all the packages.
[17:21] <james_w> or you could keep an up to date list on a webpage and get people to start fixing the bugs on it
[17:21] <james_w> http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~fujitsu/debcheck/
[17:23] <rgrig> thanks for the pointers. we weren't aware of it.
[17:23] <rgrig> we'll check if our information has anything new compared to that
[17:24] <james_w> checkout the edos-debcheck package as well
[17:40] <qense> I think bug 206031 could be a problem in handling the CD, can anyone tell something more about this?
[17:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206031 in console-tools "package console-tools 1:0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206031
[18:34] <qense> hello
[18:35] <qense>  I think bug 206031 could be a problem in handling the CD, can anyone tell something more about this?
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206031 in console-tools "package console-tools 1:0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206031
[18:44] <james_w> qense: it looks like it, it might be worth getting them to do the cd integrity check you can do on the boot menu
[18:44] <qense> ok
[18:44] <qense> I hope it isn't an error in the CD program
[20:46] <Nightrose> A
[20:47] <Nightrose> sorry cat on keyboard :P
[20:48] <wolfger> teach the cat to triage :-)
[20:49] <Nightrose> lol I will try to
[20:49]  * Nightrose asks Sully what she thinks about triaging bugs
[20:55] <Iulian> Sully? :P
[20:55] <Iulian> Is that it's name?
[20:55] <Nightrose> it is :P
[20:56] <Iulian> Heh
[22:14] <jussio1> bug day!! :)
[22:22] <Iulian> jussio1: Bug day?
[22:22] <Iulian> Do we have one today?
[22:22] <Iulian> I mean tomorrow.
[22:23] <james_w> Iulian: yep, it was announced late.
[22:23] <james_w> *ubiquity*
[22:23] <jussio1> yes, its today here :)
[22:23] <jussio1> ubiquity
[22:23] <Iulian> Cool
[22:24] <Iulian> I haven't received the message.
[22:24]  * Iulian checks evo
[22:25] <Iulian> Uhmm, that's very strange.
[23:51] <savvas> need a hand with a bug report, i used places > connect to server to connect to an ssh/sftp server, now it seems i can't connect to it or unmount it, I get this error:
[23:51] <savvas> Unable to unmount sftp on example.com
[23:51] <savvas> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[23:53] <savvas> what package should I add in the bug report? and should i include a log of some sort? using sftp from the command line seems to connect fine by the way
[23:58] <savvas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/206267 - if anyone has time, please give it a quick view later, thanks :)
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206267 in ubuntu "Unable to unmount sftp" [Undecided,New]


[04:34] <nightstrike> how do I troubleshoot a stalled startup of a vm?  This has been going for a few minutes now:
[04:34] <nightstrike> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0RapcLNC/
[12:32] <luisp[m]> nightstrike: hi, I don't see anything wrong in the log you sent. This smells like a network problem accessing the instance. Do you have by chance some VPN service or firewall running?
[12:44] <nightstrike> luisp[m]: it timed out after 5 minutes. I do have a vpn, not sure if it was connected at the time. The only thing I did differently between the last time it worked was reboot due to an OS update
[12:51] <luisp[m]> nightstrike: this happens sometimes due to changes in the macOS firewall. You can try solutions like these: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/2387
[12:51] <luisp[m]> In particular, I'd try first the solution posted by this user: http://skowronski.tech/posts/2023-01-30-macos-application-firewall-and-multipass-debugging/
[12:52] <luisp[m]> The tl;dr is here: http://skowronski.tech/posts/2023-01-30-macos-application-firewall-and-multipass-debugging/#tldr-or-executive-summary
[12:57] <nightstrike> Ok, I'll try tonight
[12:57] <luisp[m]> Good, let us know how it goes!
[12:58] <nightstrike> As an aside, I got a second instance of x quartz running on display 1
[12:58] <nightstrike> The problem was due to needing to code sign the copied app, which I couldn't do because I did a cp -r instead of -a
[12:59] <luisp[m]> really! I'd like to know how did you do. We can add it to the Mac section of the document about X11 windows
[12:59] <nightstrike> I haven't yet gotten a new wm to run, but I did stop quartz-wm from running on it while not disrupting the normal one
[13:00] <nightstrike> I'll write it up in more detail tonight
[13:02] <luisp[m]> Excellent! If you can do it, we can add it to the document
[13:02] <luisp[m]> Thanks for the investigation!