[00:00] <yharrow2> it fills the full width but only top height
[00:00] <yharrow2> top half of the screen
[00:02] <nemo> yharrow2: do you use xinerama by any chance?
[00:02] <yharrow2> dtchen,  apparently  my issue is not over sound wise. When i run pavu control sdl apps run fine, but after i exit pavu control, the 2nd time i run the apps i only hear static
[00:02] <yharrow2> nemo, it might be enabled. should i double check?
[00:03] <nemo> naw. just a wag.
[00:03] <dtchen> yharrow2: check the sink and volume settings again
[00:03] <nemo> there were some folks who were having issues with misreported resolutions in certain applications due to nvidia + dual monitors
[00:04] <yharrow2> nemo, fixed
[00:04] <yharrow2> nemo, thanks!
[00:04] <nemo> woah
[00:04] <nemo> a wag was right?
[00:04] <nemo> weeeeeird
[00:04] <yharrow2> nemo, I just went to dispay settings and clicked apply
[00:04] <nemo> hm
[00:04] <yharrow2> nemo, I was playing with my card before
[00:04] <nemo> oh well.
[00:05] <yharrow2> dtchen, ok
[00:05] <yharrow2> dtchen, its hard to reproduce, sometimes it crackles and sometimes it works fine
[00:10] <yharrow2> dtchen, well ill leave it until i am able to reproduce the error. thanks again man. you just ended 3 days of hell for me xD
[00:10] <yharrow2> and thanks to u too nemo
[00:16] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: ?
[00:32] <Delvien> How does one change the default keyring for an app in Jaunty? It's not in PW and Encrytion anymore....
[00:33] <Delvien> nm.. I renamed it evidently
[00:51] <MTecknology> So... I deleted a couple things from my system in an upgrade... how do I get those back?
[00:53] <MTecknology> lol - I made a list of what I needed to get back but I left it on my home dir - encrypted
[00:53] <Hobbsee> oops!
[00:53] <MTecknology> I know I need to get back network-manager, network-manager-gnome, and like 3 others :P
[00:53] <Hobbsee> however, you can access that from a livecd
[00:53] <MTecknology> i can?
[00:53] <MTecknology> how do I do that?
[00:54] <MTecknology> I'm on a live cd atm
[00:54] <Hobbsee> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html
[00:55] <Pici> Am I the only one who has X restart when HAL restarts due to upgrades?
[00:59] <DanaG> Oh, I do so love how update-manager auto-launches....... and then shows 5-week old updates.
[00:59] <DanaG> That was on a drive I hadn't booted in that long.
[00:59] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: sweet
[00:59] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: indeed!
[00:59] <DanaG> You'd think, at the very least, they'd update the friggin' package cache first!
[00:59] <MTecknology> DanaG: weren't you complaining about that earlier?
[01:00] <DanaG> yup.
[01:00] <DanaG> oh yeah, and another thing:
[01:00] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[01:00] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: So, I know I need to install these - apt-utils libmbca0 network-manager network-manager-gnome python-apt update-notifier-common
[01:00] <Hobbsee> ok?
[01:00] <DanaG> apparently fglrx-installer 8.600 is supposed to fix that...... I'll see about that, by installing another intrepid on in a spare drive.
[01:00] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hrm... I can do that from the chroot, can't i :)
[01:00] <DanaG> google for fglrx 8.600...
[01:00] <DanaG> ... nothing.  =þ
[01:01] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: yes
[01:01] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: heh... do you know how to get networking to my chroot?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: define 'networking'?
[01:02] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: the ability to make that system download something
[01:02] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: well, yes, but wireless? wired?
[01:03] <MTecknology> root@ubuntu:/# /etc/init.d/networking start      ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory
[01:03] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: just run sudo dhclient in the chroot
[01:03] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[01:03] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: ... I Love You :D
[01:03] <MTecknology> and it's not even gay :P
[01:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:05] <MTecknology> hrm - /mnt doesn't want to umount. I got the other parts
[01:06] <keepsake> Anyone have any luck with fglrx in Jaunty?
[01:06] <MTecknology> fglrx is still around?
[01:06] <keepsake> MTecknology: It's the only driver available for ATI cards =\
[01:08] <crdlb> 8.600 should be in the archives soon
[01:08] <keepsake> I tried installing fglrx, but at reboot it forced me into low-graphics mode =\
[01:08] <crdlb> wait for that version
[01:09] <MTecknology> how do I see what is keeping a drive mounted?
[01:09] <keepsake> crdlb: Okay.
[01:09] <crdlb> it should support xserver 1.6
[01:09] <crdlb> it's listed on launchpad, but it doesn't seem to have hit archive.ubuntu.com yet
[01:10] <hggdh> it has been accepted for build about one hour ago. Give it some time...
[01:11] <MTecknology> oh.... I need to chroot again and kill dhclient :P
[01:11] <crdlb> well, it doesn't exactly take long to build :)
[01:11] <hggdh> it depends on how many build requests are there
[01:11] <keepsake> crdlb: Do you think I can have fglrx 8.600 by tonight =P
[01:14] <DanaG> Wait, is that going to be a Jaunty driver?  That 8.600?
[01:14] <DanaG> I tried the RC of 8.600... and it didn't do this X server.  Judging from the epoch in fglrx-installer (2:8.600), though...
[01:14] <DanaG> ... maybe it'll do X Server 1.6.
[01:15] <crdlb> it does
[01:15] <DanaG> If so, and if it's still broken just as the others were... I'll try it on Intrepid.
[01:15] <DanaG> And if it's broken there, too.. then my bug will be... not fixed.  =þ
[01:15] <crdlb> what I don't know is whether this one is based on 9.3 or 9.4
[01:16] <DanaG> Best unicode character ever: thorn.  'þ'
[01:16] <DanaG> =P =p =Þ =þ
[01:16] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: Nice to chat with you again, it was fun :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:16]  * DanaG wonders when crimsun will show up next... I happen to have a PA question.
[01:18] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: I've been wanting a channel to replace -offtopic and it looks like this is the kinda channel I want - except that is OT for here
[01:18] <Hobbsee> good luck with finding one!
[01:19] <MTecknology> I was hoping you had a suggestion
[01:20] <Hobbsee> i rather like #linode on oftc, but don't have any other suggestions
[01:21] <DanaG> Why do changelogs take so long to appear?
[01:21] <crdlb> #ubuntu+offtopic ? :>
[01:21] <DanaG> If update-manager suggests going to the launchpad.net page... why doesn't it just wget the danged file?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it's a bug, which every once in a while i go "i want to poke someoen to fix it"
[01:21] <Hobbsee> DanaG: and because it would appear with html + css + other launchpad stuff.
[01:22] <crdlb> well, we'll have pywebkitgtk for that soon :)
[01:22] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base0.10/0.10.22-3ubuntu1/+changelog
[01:22] <DanaG> Not much, though.
[01:22] <DanaG> view-source it.
[01:22] <DanaG> =þ
[01:23] <DanaG> my policy of never installing updates without reading changelogs first -- with the exception of ppa updates -- has served me well.
[01:23] <DanaG>   * Fix spelling of scalable/apps/gnome-session-hebirnate.svg.
[01:23] <DanaG> hah.
[01:23] <crdlb> hopefully that's not the fixed version
[01:24] <DanaG> =þ
[01:25]  * DanaG shall try Jaunty on a Zaurus soon.
[01:29] <eternal_p> anyone else been stuck with partial upgrades the past day
[01:31] <keepsake> eternal_p: Funny thing, updating FIXED my partial upgrades.
[01:32] <hggdh> eternal_p, probably most... gnome has just released 2.26, and a lot of packages are being upgraded
[01:33] <eternal_p> hggdh: thanks, it seems that restricted-extras and most kernel stuff is what us unchecked at this time
[01:34] <MTecknology> etf - I wiped off a bunch of apps and they're magically back
[01:35] <Hobbsee> r-e should be installable?
[01:36] <MTecknology> ?
[01:36] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: I had less than 950 packages installed on here, now there's over 1,000
[01:36] <MTecknology> 150 packages popped back in
[01:37] <Hobbsee> i meant in relation to eternal_p
[01:37] <eternal_p> ah, fair enough
[01:37] <eternal_p> I'm patient, I was just courious
[01:37] <MTecknology> !info popularity-contest
[01:38] <MTecknology> hrm... it looks like that's default and running
[01:38] <MTecknology> that's neat
[01:39] <DanaG> odd: for me, g-p-m doesn't use notify-osd for brightness.
[01:39] <MTecknology> gah - I wanna remove it but I like contributing to those cool graphs
[01:40] <MTecknology> I suppose that's a neat way of guaging how many users use ubuntu though - huh?
[01:43] <MTecknology> !info libqt4-sql-psql
[01:48] <MTecknology> How can I see a list of every single service that starts at boot time?
[01:51] <shade34321> i upgraded the other night to 9.04 and now flash doesn't work. Yet when I try to install the flash player it already states it's installed....any idea?
[01:51] <hggdh> MTecknology, ls /etc/rcS.d
[01:53] <IntuitiveNipple> MTecknology: ls -l /etc/rc2.d
[01:53] <MTecknology> thanks
[01:54] <MTecknology> so it's notify-osd that makes those really pretty popups
[01:54] <shade34321> i upgraded the other night to 9.04 and now flash doesn't work. Yet when I try to install the flash player it already states it's installed....any idea?
[02:00] <Veinor> MTecknology: Indeed it is
[02:01] <MTecknology> Veinor: I'm pretty impressed with it - I'm investigating every single installed package to see what I want to get rid of :P
[02:01] <MTecknology> why can't I drop firefox-3.0-branding w/o dropping firefox-3.0 too
[02:17] <MTecknology> lol... what happens if I choose not to have hal startup?
[02:19] <rww> MTecknology: depends. Are you running GNOME?
[02:20] <rww> or KDE too, probably
[02:20] <MTecknology> neither
[02:20] <rww> MTecknology: ah. stopping hal broke dbus, which broke GNOME for me, hence me asking.
[02:21] <MTecknology> hrm - what happens if I kill dbus too? :P
[02:21] <MTecknology> oh - and I've always been curious what the policykit is
[02:31] <MTecknology> rww: k - dbus makes it so apps can communicate with other things, hal makes it so your hardware can communicate with other things
[02:31] <MTecknology> so... back to the chroot to try to fix my disabling of hal
[02:34] <adelie42> Setup virtualbox with jaunty alpha 6 and after installing guest additions (which removed X, suspiciously) restart and only get CLI. Any help? I would prefer to do patch testing with guest additions, but if it is broken... ?
[02:34] <MTecknology> I'm back in the chroot - but no way to launch app
[02:34] <MTecknology> s
[02:36]  * DanaG wonders when that fglrx will hit the repos.
[02:37] <DanaG> oh wait, it's there already?
[02:37] <crdlb> it is
[02:38] <MTecknology> How do I enable hal from cli?
[02:38]  * DanaG hopes it doesn't give him a panic like every single other fglrx version newer than 8.543 has.
[02:38] <DanaG> .... even on Intrepid.
[02:38] <DanaG> ... and if it does..... then I'll get a stacktrace.
[02:38] <crdlb> maybe you should just try it
[02:38] <crdlb> MTecknology: how'd you disable it? :)
[02:39] <MTecknology> crdlb: bum
[02:39] <DanaG> ugh, doesn't like 2.6.29 kernel, it seems.
[02:40] <crdlb> just use 2.6.28 then :>
[02:41] <DanaG> DOesn't have working driver for my accelerometer, among other things.  :(
[02:41] <DanaG> Or rather, doesn't have driver that works for accelerometer and LED together.
[02:42] <crdlb> just test it with 2.6.28! :D
[02:42] <crdlb> MTecknology: mhh, I don't really know anything about ubuntu's init system
[02:42] <crdlb> since I usally learn about it when I break it
[02:42] <durt> hey folks, 2.6.28-10 breaks my tv tuner card (philips 713x) any work arounds/debug pointers?
[02:42] <crdlb> and I have yet to break it on ubuntu ...
[02:42] <dtchen> durt: breaks it how?
[02:43] <MTecknology> crdlb: same here, it's why I'm playing instead of starting a massive assignment due tomorrow
[02:43] <MTecknology> two days *
[02:43] <durt> no video, got sound, no new channel tuning.
[02:43] <DanaG> Error!  Build of fglrx.ko failed for: 2.6.29-020629rc8-generic (x86_64)
[02:43] <DanaG> Consult the make.log in the build directory
[02:43] <DanaG> /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.600/build/ for more information.
[02:44] <DanaG> DKMS make.log for fglrx-8.600 for kernel 2.6.29-020629rc8-generic (x86_64)
[02:44] <DanaG> Tue Mar 17 19:43:26 PDT 2009
[02:44] <DanaG> /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.600/build
[02:44] <crdlb> MTecknology: could you just run /etc/init.d/hal start ?
[02:44] <DanaG> Not a very useful log.
[02:44] <MTecknology> crdlb: no - because hal give the the ability to do that :P
[02:44] <dtchen> DanaG: you've got the headers for that mainline installed, correct?
[02:44] <DanaG> Yes.
[02:45] <crdlb> MTecknology: you can't get to a command line?
[02:45] <MTecknology> crdlb: doesn't appear so - I can try again
[02:45] <DanaG> hmm, ./make.sh worked.
[02:46] <MTecknology> bbiab
[02:52] <DanaG> Well, it's panic-ing just like all the others -- and this is on 2.6.28.
[02:53] <shade34321> hey....i updated ubuntu to 9.04 the other day and now flash doesn't work. When I try and install flash ubuntu tells me that it's already intalled.....any ideas on how to fix it?
[02:54] <durt> shade34321, how did you install flash?
[02:55] <DanaG> yup, same panic.
[02:55] <shade34321> through firefox.....when i went to pandora firefox told me that i was missing plugins
[02:55] <DanaG> that quit was me not connecting the power cord on the secondary laptop I use to grab stuff over serial-over-lan.
[02:58] <DanaG> So, I shall update my bug report, with a new stacktrace.
[02:58] <DanaG> That was on 2.6.28-10-generic kernel this time.
[02:58] <enaner> is it possible for me to install cinerella on jaunty jackalope 64 bit?
[02:58] <durt> shade34321, 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[02:59] <shade34321> this is what it gave me
[02:59] <shade34321> Reading package lists... Done
[02:59] <shade34321> Building dependency tree
[02:59] <shade34321> Reading state information... Done
[02:59] <shade34321> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[02:59] <shade34321> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:00] <durt> what does 'about:config' in FF say about flash?
[03:00] <crdlb> you mean about:plugins ?
[03:00] <durt> oops, yes
[03:00] <shade34321> ok...one sec
[03:02] <yofel__> shade34321: did you upgrade from 8.10?
[03:02] <danbhfive> enaner: cinerella looks pretty well supported.  I'm sure it will be installable in jaunty
[03:02] <shade34321> yes....i upgraded because i couldnt get a dvd to play in 8.10 and somebody told me 9.04 plays dvd's out of the box
[03:03] <yofel__> shade34321: had the same problem - try uninstalling and the installing flash player again (not --reinstall!)
[03:03] <yofel__> that worked here
[03:03] <yofel__> *then
[03:03] <enaner> danbhfive, its not in the add/remove ... sudo apt-get install cinerella doesn't work either ... and theres no repos to add from their websites ... the last version they support there is intrepid
[03:04]  * RAOF wonders what it would take to ensure people didn't say "I upgraded because I couldn't get $FOO to work in 8.10, and I hear it works in Jaunty"
[03:04] <shade34321> i couldnt find it in FF "about:config"
[03:04] <shade34321> lol....
[03:04] <danbhfive> enaner: well, jaunty isn't out yet, so...
[03:05] <enaner> danbhfive, i need it ... is there a way to downgrade to jaunty?
[03:05] <shade34321> im unistalling it then installing again
[03:05] <danbhfive> enaner: well, you could try installing the intrepid packages
[03:06] <crdlb> shade34321: he meant about:plugins
[03:07] <crdlb> RAOF: a private beta? :)
[03:08] <shade34321> it worked....thanks!
[03:08] <yofel__> np
[03:08] <shade34321> now to get the dvd's to work:)
[03:08] <shade34321> lol
[03:08] <rww> RAOF: I upgraded to Jaunty because my wifi card has a much improved driver in it. Thankfully, I don't whine when Jaunty subsequently breaks :)
[03:09]  * crdlb upgraded for the newer glib/gtk
[03:09] <MTecknology> hurrah - back working
[03:09] <MTecknology> what can I screw up now?
[03:09] <shade34321> lol
[03:10] <MTecknology> COOL!
[03:10] <Roey> hi all
[03:10] <MTecknology> thunar has a nice red banner when running as root
[03:10] <MTecknology> not annoying, just there
[03:11] <Roey> eek!  do-release-upgrade aborts and says I don't have enough space on /boot.  I gave /boot 128MB.  do-release-upgrade wants 160 free.  what the hell?  How can I get around this?
[03:11] <maco> sounds like a good idea to me
[03:11] <Roey> oh hi maco!
[03:11] <maco> Roey: delete old kernels
[03:11] <Roey> I did
[03:11] <Roey> but I mean, all of my /boot is 128MB.
[03:12] <MTecknology> maco: it's a - needs to grow thing
[03:12] <Roey> in other words, it wants more space than I even have partitioned for /boot
[03:12] <maco> :-/ lvm?
[03:12] <Roey> I can't do lvm on /boot
[03:12] <MTecknology> maco: hush :P
[03:12] <maco> really? bah
[03:12] <MTecknology> Roey: how is it partitioned?
[03:12] <Roey> oh come on, so I can't upgrade to Jaunty now because of some small snag of forty megs?
[03:12] <Roey> /boot is on /dev/md0, it's 128 MB.
[03:12] <crdlb> why would it need that much space? :o
[03:12] <Roey> crdlb:  see, that's what I ask.
[03:12] <maco> it could take hours, but you could boot from a live cd and shrink your main partition then grow your /boot partition
[03:12] <MTecknology> i mean the structure
[03:13] <Roey> it's on softraid1
[03:13] <MTecknology> that's what I was wondering about bing possible ^
[03:13] <dtchen> pastebin ls -l /boot
[03:13] <Roey> with two drives mirroring each other.
[03:13] <DanaG> argh, frankly, I was expecting the new fglrx to be broken.
[03:14] <maco> dtchen: its not the "how much is in there" though
[03:14] <crdlb> I have three kernels in /boot dir, and du says 39M
[03:14] <Roey> http://pastebin.com/m35bfc286
[03:14] <maco> dtchen: re-read, he said it wants 160mb free on a 128mb-allocated partition
[03:14] <dtchen> Roey: you likely don't need the older kernels.
[03:14] <MTecknology> I found a bug in teh live cd - fixing my system - bug 344636
[03:15] <Roey> like, I understand it might want to roll up a kernel or initrd so it might want extra space but surely it can be coaxed to do that kind of processing not on /boot ?
[03:15] <MTecknology> is anyone running a stock 9.04 setup that can confirm if this happens after install?
[03:15] <dtchen> Roey: no, the extra space is for initramfs backup.
[03:15] <Roey> dtchen:  please re-read:  it doesn't matter how much I get rid of old kernels; the boot partition is sized forty megs below the script's requirements
[03:15] <MTecknology> Roey: I have an idea...
[03:15] <Roey> I've deleted old kernels, anyway.
[03:15] <Roey> yeah?
[03:16] <dtchen> Roey: that's straightforward. mount a larger tmpfs for /boot.
[03:16] <nemo> heh
[03:16] <Roey> how so
[03:16] <nemo> damn. beat me to it :-p
[03:16] <MTecknology> ya - that
[03:16] <genii> Why not bindmount some dir in the main fs or so
[03:16] <Roey> so I'd just make a ramfs of 300MB, say?
[03:16] <nemo> hell. you don't even need to do that
[03:16] <nemo> yeah
[03:16] <nemo> genii: that one!
[03:16] <Roey> ok, so even if I bindmount
[03:16] <Roey> what do I do afterwards then?
[03:16] <nemo> argh. everyone's so  on it today :-p
[03:16] <Roey> yeay
[03:16] <Roey> even if I mount -o remount
[03:16] <Roey> so?
[03:17] <MTecknology> nemo: ya - my attempts to help are... frivilous
[03:17] <Roey> I'll eeventually need to transfer /something/ back to the original /boot
[03:17] <Roey> YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
[03:17] <dtchen> Roey: again, trivial after the upgrade completes.
[03:17] <Roey> how so
[03:17] <MTecknology> here's an easier idea......
[03:17] <nemo> dtchen: of course, he could just permanently move /boot into main
[03:17] <nemo> screw having a boot partition
[03:17] <maco> idk what any of you are sayin...
[03:18] <nemo> mkdir /boot
[03:18] <maco> ok i know what nemo said
[03:18] <MTecknology> add a small drive, move your /boot to that, upgrade, move /boot back
[03:18] <nemo> well cp -a /boot /newboot
[03:18] <nemo> umount /boot
[03:18] <nemo> mv /newboot /boot
[03:18] <nemo> and edit fstab and grub
[03:18] <MTecknology> that's easier too...
[03:18] <Roey> ok
[03:18] <Roey> I did it.
[03:18] <MTecknology> umount /boot; rmdir /boopt
[03:18] <Roey> and now it is running.
[03:18] <MTecknology> umount /boot; rmdir /boot
[03:18] <dtchen> it's probably more familiar, but it's not any easier per se
[03:19] <nemo> heh. is this a game to see how many solutions we can come up with?
[03:19] <Roey> I am running do-release-thingy now
[03:19] <Roey> is that easier than running
[03:19] <Roey> % sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[03:19] <Roey> ?
[03:19] <nemo> ooh. run gparted on the system and resize /boot - new one :D
[03:19] <dtchen> well, sure. realise that you can also alter the calculation that do-release-upgrade uses.
[03:19] <Roey> my partner gparted and lefderoom debesterd
[03:20] <Roey> thanks all
[03:20] <Roey> thanks maco
[03:20] <MTecknology> Roey: heh - I think dtchen just came in w/ #1 idea :P
[03:20] <MTecknology> tell it to use less space
[03:21] <Roey> how so??
[03:21] <MTecknology> dtchen: ?
[03:21] <Roey> dtchen:  ?
[03:21] <Roey> mr. chen, I see your reputation preceeds you yet again
[03:22] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f50ca5884
[03:22] <maco> Roey: dist-upgrade doesnt know about all the tricks do-release-upgrade knows about
[03:22] <Roey> ah
[03:22] <Roey> see that's what I assumed
[03:22] <Roey> thanks
[03:23] <DanaG> damned fglrx
[03:23] <DanaG> I must have bad video karma, or something....
[03:23] <DanaG> fglrx invariably panics... and nouveau just plain rapes the cpu.
[03:23] <Roey> fglrx sounds like a curse word
[03:23] <DanaG> Two completely different systems, of course.
[03:24] <Roey> ok
[03:24] <Roey> I'll upgrade tomorrow
[03:24] <Roey> gotta go to sleep right now
[03:24] <Peddy> I'm having problems using mouse to click on anything with the latest updates... Is this a known problem or can someone help me please?
[03:24] <Roey> DanaG, MTecknology, dtchen and maco, hav a good night all :)
[03:24] <Roey> and thanks
[03:24] <Roey> I'll be back tomorrow
[03:24] <Roey> -ishg
[03:24] <MTecknology> you too
[03:24] <Roey> *-ish
[03:33] <DanaG> so... what should I mark my bug report now?
[03:33] <DanaG> It's certainly not fixed.
[03:35] <DanaG> A related bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/288620
[03:38] <DanaG> I must just have bad video karma, or something.
[03:39] <crdlb> go complain in #ati
[03:39] <DanaG> I did.
[03:39] <crdlb> again
[03:39] <DanaG> =þ
[03:42] <MTecknology> is 47,000 karma a lot?
[03:45] <DanaG> oh yeah, that "created extra space" in usb-creator... will that preserve changes to root, not just home?
[04:07] <DanaG> Should I go ahead and mark my bug back to "not fixed"?
[04:08] <DanaG> Well, at least radeon works nicely.
[04:20] <DanaG> =þ
[04:29] <DanaG> Great, now I'm stuck in "gripe" mode / mood.
[04:29] <DanaG> ='þ
[04:30]  * DanaG pipes his gripes (hah, rhyme!) to /dev/null
[04:39] <yharrow1> hey anyone here?
[04:39] <yharrow1> For some reason the update manager does not notify me of updates anymore in the tray
[04:40] <DanaG> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083584&page=10
[04:40] <DanaG> heh, I tried the Plymouth PPA... it just plain didn't work.
[04:41] <DanaG> as in... did nothing.
[04:41] <DanaG> At all.
[04:41] <Amaranth> DanaG: That's nothing, I built a 2.6.29 kernel with intel modesetting and it still showed the text-based boot
[04:42] <DanaG> Same here -- even with ATI modesetting.
[04:42] <DanaG> Modesetting worked; Plymouth did not.
[04:42] <DanaG> It did literally nothing, even when manually launching plymouthd and doing plymouth --show-splash.
[04:42] <DanaG> I did a strace of it... and it seemed to be trying to do... something..... to ttyS0.
[04:42] <DanaG> Yes, S as in serial.
[04:43] <Amaranth> Also, I built the 2.6.28-10-generic kernel with CONFIG_PREEMPT and all of my performance problems went away
[04:43] <yharrow1> Does anybdoy know how to get update manager tray icon working again?
[04:43] <Amaranth> I/O no longer makes the system slow down and pulseaudio hasn't (other than on start) dropped out once
[04:43] <Amaranth> yharrow1: it's gone
[04:43] <yharrow1> eh?
[04:43] <Amaranth> yharrow1: Instead update-manager will launch every 2 days
[04:43] <yharrow1> so um... why did they take it out?
[04:44] <Amaranth> People ignored it
[04:44] <yharrow1> eh..not me
[04:44] <DanaG> Auto-launching is bad enough....
[04:44] <yharrow1> who is people?
[04:44] <DanaG> ... what's worse is that it doesn't update the friggin PACKAGE CACHE before launching!
[04:44] <DanaG> Today I booted a drive I hadn't booted in 5 weeks........
[04:44] <DanaG> ..... update-manager auto-launched..... displaying 5-week old updates.
[04:45] <DanaG> I'd call that a miserable failure.
[04:45] <Amaranth> DanaG: yay 404 errors
[04:45] <Amaranth> although I think something does apt-get update every 24 hours
[04:45] <DanaG> I had to manually hit "Check".
[04:45] <Amaranth> But that may have been update-notifier
[04:45] <yharrow1> Maybe let us choose how often we want it to run?
[04:45] <DanaG> ... and then it showed the friggin' updates.
[04:46] <DanaG> Yeah, failure.
[04:47] <yharrow1> I see an option in the sources dialog for "Automatic Updates" > Check for updates.. "Daily, Every two days" etc
[04:47] <yharrow1> Does that setting matter anymore?
[04:48] <yharrow1> If I have it set to check every day, will update the source list, check for updates, and show an icon if i need some?
[04:49] <DanaG> "Auto Mobile Broadband (CDMA) Connection"....
[04:49] <DanaG> .... hmm, how the heck is it supposed to connect automatically, with no configuration at all?
[04:49] <DanaG> ... especially when I don't have a data plan at all?
[04:50] <DanaG> It also appears twice in nm-applet.
[04:51] <yharrow1> Download hacked account passwords from a server and try them until one works ?
[04:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and it also appears to send and receive some data... even though I haven't tried to do so explicitly.
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and bluetooth is just as broken as in Jaunty.
[04:53] <DanaG> No way to make an rfcomm connection.
[04:54] <DanaG> No UI to make a BT audio connection with PulseAudio, either.
[05:04] <javamonger_> Hello. I want to install ubuntu on a machine with bad memory using the BadRAM kernel patch.  How can I rebuild the ubuntu 8.10 livecd with a different kernel (or just replace the existing one with my own)?  I've already built my kernel.
[05:06] <javamonger_> can anybody at least point me in the right direction?  The kernel build has a "make isoimage" target, but this is unfamiliar territory for me.
[05:07] <doleyb> javamonger_: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility
[05:08] <javamonger_> w00t! ty :)
[05:08] <doleyb> javamonger_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization better one..
[05:09] <javamonger_> ahh, even better :)
[05:09] <javamonger_> Yea, somebody in #ubuntu kept insisting that replacing the memory was the solution :/
[05:10] <DanaG> Is it bad RAM, or a bad memory controller?
[05:10] <javamonger_> The guy who wrote the BadRAM patch has been trying to get it into the main kernel tree, but he doesn't have the time to do all of the testing and nobody has stepped up to the plate (and it wont be me :)
[05:10] <javamonger_> the ram, not controller/bus/cpu, etc
[05:10] <DanaG> RAM is pretty decently cheap, depending on type.
[05:10] <DanaG> Especially with newegg newsletter deals, and such.
[05:11] <javamonger_> Yea, this is an old laptop and I can't get it for less than $70 (for half a G)
[05:11] <javamonger_> Plus, I'm trying to think of all of the people living in poverty who can't afford to replace memory so easily.  So it would be nice if it were more readily available.
[05:12] <javamonger_> with the right version of memtest86, it'll spit out the BadRAM string (if it indeed reveals a ram error and not bus, controller, etc.)
[05:27] <DanaG> heh, awesome feature of KDE4: you can use xrender mode instead of opengl for compositing...... but then many effects you try to enable merely silently fail to work.  It doesn't prevent you from trying to enable features it can't provide.
[05:27] <DanaG> Just love that "silently fail to work" effect.  Nice manners there, eh?
[05:33] <DanaG> might wanna' add a topic note about the new fglrx.
[05:37] <javamonger_> DanaG: Yea, those are my favorite types of "features".  Although I do understand how it happens sometimes, when you're coding stuff and trying to get a release out and you get sloppy because you're just trying to get stuff to work -- then you forget to go back and clean up your mess :(
[05:37] <alkisg> Hi, an i18n question: "fast user switching applet" for example, is 100% translated in Gnome 2.26, but in Ubuntu it contains some distro-specific messages, and it needs to be translated in launchpad as well. Is there a list of such packages that have extra, Ubuntu-specific strings? I'm a member of both the Greek Gnome Team and the Ubuntu Greek Translators team; but noone knows where to look for such a list...
[05:37] <DanaG> yargh, fglrx has been broken for several releases for me.
[05:38] <DanaG> 8.543: worked.
[05:38] <DanaG> 8.552: broken.
[05:38] <DanaG> 8.561: broken.
[05:38] <DanaG> 8.570: broken.
[05:38] <DanaG> 8.600: broken.
[05:38] <crdlb> !enter | DanaG
[05:38] <DanaG> =þ
[05:38] <shadowh511> hey, I can't install any packages I want, not even bison
[05:38] <shadowh511> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/344007
[05:39] <shadowh511> help plz
[05:42] <javamonger_> Well thanks for the help DanaG, I gotta get to bed.  This wiki is a bit complicated as all I want to do is swap out the kernel that's booted & installed, but it also has the info I need, so thank you again! :)
[05:45] <shadowh511> HELLO?
[06:16] <sammy> anyone else using us english as their default language? I'm curious if something else I've done has made firefox thing I want to use  the australian dictionary, and if it isn't, if its a mozilla issue or a packaging/ubuntu issue.
[06:16] <sammy> s/thing/think/
[06:18] <sammy> I've been having dictionary issues, first in gajim and now in firefox and I'm going to track them down because I've become completely dependent on inline spell checking :) I mean, erm, because foss users should help their community by tracking down bugs.
[06:21] <billybigrigger_> hey, anyone here having flash problems?
[06:21] <billybigrigger_> specifically diablo 3 site
[06:21] <billybigrigger_> http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/
[06:22] <billybigrigger_> i know flash is installed and working, but diablo 3 site says i need adobe flash player installed
[06:24] <doleyb> billybigrigger_: works for me in firefox
[06:24] <billybigrigger_> ya i got it working
[06:24] <billybigrigger_> have to close and reopen ff, stupid, i thought this might be fixed in jaunty
[06:24] <billybigrigger_> you using 32 or 64bit?
[06:25] <sammy> seems to work for me, billybigrigger_ in firefox on 32bit
[06:25] <Hobbsee> billybigrigger_: right after installing flash?  Yeah, tha'ts normal.  That even happens on windows, iirc.
[06:25] <billybigrigger_> no, i have had flash installed for a few weeks now
[06:26] <doleyb> billybigrigger_: there's only 3 classes and 2 are casters, so I wouldn't bother
[06:27] <billybigrigger_> this was always a problem for me, both on desktop and laptops, both 64bit 8.10, and my newly converted windows buddy has this problem on his laptop too, so i switched him to linux mint and for some strange reason he never bitches about utube now :P so i dunno if this is ubuntu specific or what
[06:27] <billybigrigger_> doleyb, ???
[06:28] <billybigrigger_> doleyb, only 3 classes announced, there's going to be 5 iirc
[06:28] <billybigrigger_> doleyb, still you wouldnt bother with diablo 3? bah!!!!!!
[06:31] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: What do you think of this? - http://s5.tinypic.com/2akab2x.jpg
[06:32] <MTecknology> I bet it's really hard to trim that w/o trying to make things run parallel
[06:34] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: looks like bootchart to me...
[06:34] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: but it's quick
[06:34] <MTecknology> I do want to make it faster though
[06:34] <MTecknology> I wanna get down to 15sev
[06:37] <billybigrigger_> my /var/log/bootchart is just filled with .tar.gz's
[06:37] <billybigrigger_> no .pngs
[06:41] <zniavre1> kkfjghithyyyyjhjgkujyjjjjzzzzzzzzkhgiyj fbFDZDDGFAFSVCFEFFFGSFHFV
[07:46] <beardbar> card reader isnt working and isnt shown in lspci - options?
[07:46] <crdlb> did it work in a previous release?
[07:47] <crdlb> I've heard that only one or two brands are supported
[07:47] <crdlb> unless it's like the one in my mother's toshiba that presents itself as a USB device ...
[07:47] <maco> i can confirm that my Richo works in Jaunty
[07:48] <maco> have not tried my Texas Instruments card reader in Jaunty
[07:48] <maco> *Ricoh
[07:48] <beardbar> you know, maybe not, my previous card reader did but i upgraded on a new machine with a new card reader hrmm.
[07:52] <beardbar> gonna figure out what type I have now and do some googlefu
[07:55] <beardbar> lol wierd, my card reader has bluetooth and kde 4.2 actually shows me my bluetooth icon, but the card readers dont work.
[08:02] <beardbar> well mine is a ricoh 19-1 with bluetooth 2.0
[08:09] <CosmiChaos> nice work notify-osd finally works for me flawlessly
[08:15] <CosmiChaos> a wise man will learn more from a stupid question than an idiot who got a smart answer
[08:17] <kane77> any update if and when the situation with intel graphics cards will be fixed?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> wfm?
[08:30] <DJones> Are there any issues on Jaunty with older nvidia graphics cards? I'm using it on my work laptop, but I'd like to upgrade on my home machine, I guess even if there are with the proprietry drivers I can still use the NV driver as I don't bother with 3D acceleration
[09:01] <Finnish> Aaargh, I'm getting a terrible beep nowadays in my laptop, when I'm pushing a button in a "wrong place" or something. It's sort of a alarm beep, but I've disabled alarms
[09:05] <phjr> hi, I have an up-to-date jaunty and have problems logging in to gnome session; when I log in, I only have black screen, my pidgin starts up but has no window decorations; I tried to create a new user (to have empty homedir), but it was the same (minus pidgin, of course)
[09:06] <phjr> any ideas?
[09:26] <beardbar> think I finally got my kubuntu jaunty alpha 6 setup all done. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~draydus/beardbar/springcleaning-commandcenter.jpg
[09:27] <beardbar> oops wrong channel
[09:29] <noren> beardbar: looks nice
[09:46] <BUGabundo> Firefox failing to install http://paste.ubuntu.com/132937/
[09:55] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  could gvfs-backens be built WITHOUT gvfsd-gphoto2 and gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor support and re-uploaded?   those two modules prevent ghtumb from accessing the camera.
[09:55] <Q-FUNK> they automatically mount the camera's content to the desktop as a storage device (same as when connecting a USB stick), which automatically makes interception by gthumb or f-spot fail.
[10:07] <joaopinto> Q-FUNK, you are probably looking for #ubuntu-devel :)
[10:20] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: you should be able to disable camera detection in nautilus preferences
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> fargiolas: I *want* camera detection. I only want it to activate gthumb as it used to, instead of mounting to the desktop.
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> fargiolas: and no, disabling camera detection in nautilus preferences doesn't solve it.
[10:28] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: should be achieavable from nautilus preferences
[10:28] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: I have the open with another app option
[10:29] <Q-FUNK> it doesn't work.  I have explicitely disabled all media actions in nautilus preferences.   gvfsd-gphoto2 still insists on mounting the camera to the desktop.
[10:30] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: oh ok, it's a bug then, but I doubt removing the gphoto2 backend is the right solution
[10:30] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: btw, what does gthumb2 do that mounting the camera as a removable device doesn't?
[10:31] <Q-FUNK> the behavior chnages starting with intrepid, when they introduced gvfs to replace gnomevfs.  someone suddenly decided to write a gphoto2 backend and changed the behavior in a regressive way.
[10:31] <Q-FUNK> fargiolas: it actually imports pictures.  mounting to desktop doesn't.
[10:33] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: ok :) not sure it's a regression though.. one could see it as a different way to achieve the same thing
[10:34] <Q-FUNK> it doesn't achieve the same thing.  it introduces an extra step to move pictures around and doesn't instantly allow editing and archiving them in a usable way.
[10:34]  * fargiolas usually just removes the sd card and copies photos from there because he lost the usb camera cable
[10:34] <fargiolas> :P
[10:35] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: file a nautilus bug in gnome bugzilla
[10:35] <zniavre> what s suposed  to indicate the indicator-applet please?
[10:36] <zniavre> to be *
[10:39] <Q-FUNK> fargiolas: the weird thing is that there's two places to configure this behavior (one in system->user prefrences, and one in nautilus) and they contradict each other
[10:40] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: gnome-volume-manager shouldn't be shipped anymore so the only place for this should be nautilus now
[10:41] <Q-FUNK> it might remain from upgrades, though.  should the ubuntu-desktop package conflict against it, then?
[10:41] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: I agree that's totally crazy from a usability point of view. No one associates audiocd or cameras or video dvds with the filemanager
[10:42] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: that's a question for #ubuntu-devel, I'm just a user
[10:42] <Q-FUNK> fargiolas:  this is the correct channel to discuss jaunty. :)
[10:43] <fargiolas> Q-FUNK: sure :) I'm not totally sure that gnome-volume-manager and new nautilus hotplug stuff conflict with each other
[10:44] <fargiolas> there are a few things that nautilus doesn't do like handling non volume devices (webcam scanners pdas etc)
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> g-v-m wasn't installed by default in intrepid, and should have been removed on upgrade between hardy -> intrepid
[10:45] <Q-FUNK> chrisccoulson: thanks for the info.  it wasn't removed here. I just removed it now.
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> and there should be no conflicts between ubuntu-desktop and g-v-m. conflicts should only be used if you can't physically install the 2 packages side-by-side without them breaking each other
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> Q-FUNK - if you upgraded to intrepid during the intrepid development cycle but before g-v-m was removed, then it wouldn't have been removed on upgrade
[10:46] <Q-FUNK> chrisccoulson: here, they effectively contradict each other and try to take control of the same devices and filesystems.
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> it should be removed on upgrade from hardy -> intrepid stable though (i think)
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> Q-FUNK - they still work alongside each other though. that is exactly the same situation in hardy
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> hardy has both
[10:47] <Q-FUNK> chrisccoulson: but hardy has an older version of gvfs with fewer backends.
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> there's still no need for a conflicts though. yes, they duplicate each other but they don't break each other
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> they do.
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> tha's just the problem.
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> expected behavior has been broken since intrepid
[10:49] <Q-FUNK> and I've been trying to figure out why since then
[10:52] <Q-FUNK> basically, until hardy, gthumb would just launch itself whenever I conencted the camera via USB after a photo session.  it no longer does since intrepid.
[10:52] <Q-FUNK>  for a while, people suspected that an outdated .desktop file was to blame, but the upstream developer for gphoto said that the new gvfs backend is the culprit instead.
[10:53] <Q-FUNK> and sure enough, it is
[10:53] <Q-FUNK> brb
[11:10] <Q-FUNK> and, sure enough, purging gnome-volume-manager didn't fix it.  nautilus *still* insists upon mounting the camera to desktop, even when the "Don't do anything" option is selected, which prevents gthumb from accessing the camera.
[11:12] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: hasn't anyone ever told you you speak too much?
[11:12] <BUGabundo> are you trying to steal my position as # spammer?
[11:20] <Q-FUNK> :D
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> Q-FUNK - is your camera a PTP device or mass-storage?
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> chrisccoulson: good question.
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> PTP I think
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> or how would I check that?
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> no idea;)
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> at least, I vaguely recall something about it supporting a generic PTP device mode.
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> when you double click on the mount icon on the desktop, does it open a normal file URI in /media
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> if so, then it's most likely mass-storage
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> if it's a PTP device and being mounted by gfsd-gphoto, then it will probably have a gphoto URI and not have a local file path
[11:24] <Q-FUNK> it shows a gphoto2:// URL
[11:24] <Q-FUNK> gphoto2://[usb:001,009]/
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i don't know why it doesn't work for you then. i can't try until i get home (and i have to figure out how to put my camera in to PTP mode too)
[11:26] <Q-FUNK> is it expected to launch gthumb as a child process that has full access to the camera or just pass the content of the folder to it?
[11:26] <seku> 2.6.28-10 generic doesn't boot for me -- freeze at starting up... I ugraded from 8.10 by changing distribution to jaunty from sources.list, and did full-upgrade. Bottom bar is gone too.
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> you should be able to tell nautilus to open gthumb, and it will pass the gphoto URI to it
[11:27] <BUGabundo> seku: why would you do that?
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> i don't know gthumb though, as i don't use it
[11:27] <seku> because 8.10 was unusable
[11:27] <BUGabundo> that is NOT the recomemd way to upgrade
[11:27] <BUGabundo> you should have used update-manager -d
[11:27] <seku> ok. I asked about it, and nobody said anything on another channel.
[11:27] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo is right. that method of upgrading is totally unsupported
[11:28] <BUGabundo> now you may have ended with a badly upgrade system
[11:28] <Q-FUNK> chrisccoulson: I tried both telling nautilus to open gthumb and telling it not to do anything.  in both cases, the camera gets mounted to desktop, preventing gthumb from locking it.
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> what other channel?
[11:28] <seku> ive noticed... chroot and stuff to get it running
[11:28] <BUGabundo> with hundreds configs not set correcly
[11:28] <BUGabundo> seku: what channel?
[11:28] <seku> kubuntu
[11:28] <BUGabundo> not an oficial support one, I hope
[11:28] <BUGabundo> really?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> chrisccoulson: fwiw, it's not unsupported - but it isn't recommended, and you may have to resolve various dependancies.
[11:29]  * BUGabundo visits #kubuntu to spank some arse
[11:29] <seku> :D
[11:29] <seku> don't
[11:29] <BUGabundo> already there
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> Hobbsee - thanks for pointing that out;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: dude, inappropriate.
[11:29] <seku> BUGabundo: it was my own fault for being too lazy to read docs
[11:29] <seku> but 8.10 being too buggy to be usable is not :D
[11:29] <BUGabundo> yes you are seku
[11:29] <maco> O_o
[11:29] <BUGabundo> I always point out to users HERE
[11:29] <BUGabundo> how to do it
[11:31] <seku> i'll try download the iso and reinstall, and after that go try rpm stuff :D I just changed from bluewhite64 and it wasn't so cool it was 10 years ago (as i thought my memories were golden, as i compared it against winme)
[11:45] <BUGabundo> back
[11:45] <BUGabundo> seku: try no to mess your system to much
[11:45] <BUGabundo> using RPMs is not that good most of the times
[11:45]  * Hobbsee twitches
[11:47]  * hggdh resists an itch
[11:48]  * Hobbsee still doesn't like the fact that we have rpm in main
[11:48] <Hobbsee> and interestingly, this UXA mode does seem to work nicely
[11:48]  * hggdh does not understand why lsb requires rpm
[11:50] <eMaX> hi all
[11:50] <eMaX> ext4, anyone?
[11:51] <eMaX> mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb6 /mnt works. /dev/sdb6 was formatted ext3.
[11:51] <eMaX> using ext4 as option in fstab does not work.
[11:51] <eMaX> anyone knows why?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hggdh: i presume the source is distributed as an rpm or something.  ew!
[11:53] <hggdh> Hobbsee, heh. Even if this was the case, all lsb* are packaged as .deb, so...
[11:54]  * hggdh just found that dkms setup on boot was hanging on some rpmq calls
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hggdh: hrm.  i'm not seeing anything that requires alien in there
[12:01] <hggdh> Hobbsee, look at lsb-core
[12:01] <hggdh> (in Jaunty)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hggdh: note -devel ;)
[12:02] <hggdh> :-) roger wilco
[12:02] <BUGabundo> ok back
[12:06] <koperton> wtf i can't connect anymore
[12:06] <koperton> with my wifi atheros
[12:10]  * maxb hugs aptitude
[12:11] <maxb> Being able to interactively do "Why on earth do I have 'foo' installed?! Don't update it, remove it!" is great
[12:12] <maxb> and the best way to prune your system :_)
[12:12] <maxb> * :-)
[12:12] <BUGabundo> maxb: apt-get autoremove is also nice
[12:12] <BUGabundo> although running it on a devel branch maybe not a great idea
[12:13] <improot_> кто нибудь на альфе Kubuntu сидит?
[12:13] <maxb> autoremove doesn't help you for things that shipped as part of the default install, so are not marked auto
[12:14] <improot_> Kubuntu (KDE4) - никого?
[12:14] <jpds> !ru | improot_
[12:14] <seku> maxb: you mean something like removing leaves (things nothing else depends on)?
[12:15] <improot_> Sorry
[12:15] <maxb> There are usually too many leaves for reviewing them all to be comfortable
[12:15] <bazhang> improot_, you want kde4 in jaunty? its default
[12:15] <maxb> On the other hand, when you see something that you don't understand in your daily updates, that's a great time to prune unneeded stuff
[12:15] <improot_> yes!
[12:16] <BUGabundo> maxb: that's why we now have the crazy systemcleaner
[12:16] <improot_> bazhang> no active DSL
[12:16] <BUGabundo> improot_: can we help?
[12:16] <bazhang> improot_, dsl? as in adsl?
[12:17] <improot_> yes
[12:17] <bazhang> ah the widget for networkmanager?
[12:17] <Q-FUNK> koperton: are the restricted modules installed?
[12:18] <improot_> in networkmanagered widget active parts: LAN and WiFi and VPN
[12:18] <koperton> Q-FUNK: mmm i dunno but before it was working very well
[12:18] <improot_> in nm-applet all working
[12:19] <bazhang> improot_, so only the widget? internet connectivity is fine?
[12:19] <koperton> Q-FUNK: it feels my network but it refuses to connect , before was working great , i really don't know how to fix
[12:19] <koperton> this after this damned updating
[12:20] <improot_> yes. in this widget i dont access to settings DSL-connection... and activate this connection
[12:20] <bazhang> improot_, sounds like a bug
[12:21] <improot_> sorry?
[12:21] <bazhang> improot_, what does ifconfig show in konsole
[12:21] <bazhang> eth0 ?
[12:22] <koperton> mmm
[12:22] <koperton> omg restricted was not upgraded
 eth0 ?
[12:23] <improot_> yes
[12:23] <koperton> Q-FUNK: thnak you no i am trying to upgrade restricted
[12:23] <petter_> has anyone got their laptop headphone jack detection working? I'm on a Vaio VGN-FW21M, and have set model=vaio for snd-hda-intel. any clues?
[12:23] <koperton> Q-FUNK: now i am...ect etc
[12:24] <bazhang> improot_, what does sudo dhclient eth0 return (paste.ubuntu.com NOT here)
[12:24] <bazhang> improot_, in konsole: sudo dhclient eth0
[12:26] <improot_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 6
[12:26] <improot_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 8
[12:26] <improot_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 19
[12:26] <improot_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 14
[12:26] <improot_> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 14
[12:26] <bazhang> improot_, and for the widget; it is alpha6, so there will be bugs
[12:26] <improot_> etc
[12:26] <bazhang> improot_, not here
[12:26] <jussi01> !flood
[12:27] <improot_> sorry
[12:27] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com NOT here
[12:27] <improot_> ok
[12:27] <bazhang> all of it.
[12:29] <improot_> go to learn english...
[12:29] <improot_> )
[12:32] <BUGabundo> improot_: first lesson: "Goes, not Go"
[12:32] <improot_> ))) Ok! Goes...
[12:37] <vistakiller> i dont have net when i recover from suspend
[12:37] <vistakiller> i have the same problem and with ibex
[12:41] <bardyr> vistakiller, try restarting Nertworkmanager
[12:41] <bardyr> vistakiller, if you use ndiswrapper, reload it first
[12:41] <vistakiller> i have
[12:41] <vistakiller> is not working
[12:42] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: likely the network device modules needs unloading prior to suspend
[12:42] <IntuitiveNipple> You can add it to the pm-tools MODULES list
[12:43] <dimitree> hello in Kubuntu version in software updates it shows that there are 7 blocked ones.Should  i install these ?
[12:43] <vistakiller> what i have to add?
[12:44] <vistakiller> dimitree i have the same problem with kpackagekit
[12:44] <vistakiller> but when i use synaptic i can update my system without any block
[12:44] <vistakiller> try to use adept or synaptic
[12:44] <dimitree> ok will do thanks for the hint :)
[12:45] <vistakiller> any info what i have to do for suspend?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> hi i was wondering i i could keep 8.10 as well as upgrade to jaunty at the same time,without a seprate install,like one user can log into jaunty while another user can log to intrepid
[12:46] <Hobbsee> no
[12:46] <dimitree> vistakiller:  how do you start synaptic ? i cant see it ?
[12:46] <vistakiller> you have to install it first
[12:46] <vistakiller> try adept
[12:46] <shadeslayer> hmm ok,im out of luck then
[12:46] <seku> uml or chroot install?
[12:47] <vistakiller> synaptic is a gtk programme for gnome but i think is very powerfull
[12:47] <Hobbsee> shadeslayer: you could have 2 installs which share /home, though
[12:47] <dimitree> vistakiller:  no adept also ? maby because i'm using the 64bit version ?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> which would be similar
[12:47] <vistakiller> much better from adept or kpackagekit
[12:47] <vistakiller> no try to install from terminal
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Hobbsee: you mean like choosing the same partition again and not formatting it??
[12:48] <Hobbsee> shadeslayer: for /home?  yes.
[12:48] <vistakiller> i have upgrade my system and for that i have these programmes
[12:48] <dimitree> vistakiller:  ok thanks
[12:48] <Hobbsee> shadeslayer: you'd need both /'s on a different partition, though
[12:48] <Hobbsee> and it only works if you have /home on a separate partition again
[12:48] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: What is the network driver module name for the device?
[12:48] <vistakiller> i dont know how can i find it?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> Hobbsee: oh i see,unfourtunately i already have 5 partitions,i dont want any more
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ah well.  too bad, then.
[12:49] <shadeslayer> ill stick with Intrepid
[12:50] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: You need to do something like: sudo -i; MODULE="name"; echo "SUSPEND_MODULES=\"$MODULE\"" >/etc/pm/config.d/01suspend_modules; exit
[12:50] <vistakiller> and to "name" what i have to put?
[12:50] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: Whatever module drivers the network device.
[12:51] <vistakiller> how can i find the name of the module?
[12:52] <IntuitiveNipple> It varies based on whether the device is PCI or USB or something else.
[12:53] <dimitree> vistakiller: how do i update with synaptic :) sorry i'm kina noob :)
[12:53] <vistakiller> open synaptic and then klik in update software
[12:53] <vistakiller> 00:11.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
[12:53] <vistakiller> 00:12.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
[12:54] <vistakiller> IntuitiveNipple i have this in lspci
[12:54] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: ls -l /sys/class/net/
[12:55] <dimitree> vistakiller: you mean "Mark all upgrades" ?
[12:55] <vistakiller> yes
[12:55] <dimitree> ok thank you :)
[12:55] <vistakiller> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-03-18 13:28 eth7 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/net/eth7
[12:55] <vistakiller> this is my eth that work now
[12:56] <IntuitiveNipple> eth***7*** ?? Are you using some custom udev naming rule or are there 8 NICs ?
[12:58] <vistakiller> i dont know after upgrade the system have decide that i have eth7 and eth6 :P
[12:59] <vistakiller> i have only two i dont know why the have put these names
[13:01] <seku> how do i install from mounted disc image?
[13:02] <vistakiller> is not problem for me i can live with eth7 and eth6 names for my cards :P but i like to use suspend
[13:02] <vistakiller> is very usefull
[13:03] <seku> or how do i burn a working disc :/ i try -dao for wodim but it burns sao. k3b doesn't make a working image either.
[13:04] <vistakiller> try to use gnomebaker or brasero?
[13:08] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller: This should tell you which module is the driver: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth*/../../driver
[13:08] <vistakiller> /sys/class/net/eth7/../../driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/forcedeth
[13:08] <vistakiller> forcedeth is the module?
[13:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, the reverse-engineered Nvidia network driver
[13:09] <vistakiller> ok i have to give this now? is safe? :D
[13:10] <vistakiller> sudo -i; MODULE="forcedeth"; echo "SUSPEND_MODULES=\"$MODULE\"" >/etc/pm/config.d/01suspend_modules; exit
[13:10] <IntuitiveNipple> That looks good.
[13:11] <vistakiller> ok i do a suspend now
[13:11] <vistakiller> thanks
[13:20] <vistakiller1> same problem
[13:20] <vistakiller1> what is the command to restart my netowork?
[13:20] <crankharder> everytime someone IMs me or comes online I get these popups -- how do I turn them off?
[13:23] <scizzo-> crankharder: you are probably seeing notify-osd
[13:23] <crankharder> maybe, can I turn it off?
[13:24] <exco_> did the latest ati/xserver updates break graphics for someone else?
[13:24] <scizzo-> crankharder: I am not 100% sure how....however I do know that there are options for them: notification-properties
[13:24] <Guest30546> crankharder: are you using pidgin?
[13:25] <maco> scizzo-: i thougththat was just for the libnotify ones?
[13:25] <vistakiller1> anyone knows how can i restart my network?
[13:25] <crankharder> Guest30546: yes
[13:25] <maco> er, the notification-daemon ones
[13:25] <vistakiller1> the command to terminal
[13:25] <Starcraftmazter> Hello. I am trying to burn a DVD, and it is not working. Upon mounting it, I think the problem is that I need to burn it using the 'ISO-13346 "UDF" ' specification, which k3b & the default disc writer do not support. Does anyone have any advice?
[13:25] <maco> tomake them not be yellow bubles
[13:25] <scizzo-> maco: I am not 100% sure like I said
[13:25] <vistakiller1> sudo /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
[13:26] <vistakiller1> is this?
[13:26] <Guest30546> crankharder: you can turn them off by going to tools, plugins, and select libnotify popus (either disable it, or change the settings)
[13:26] <crankharder> Guest30546: ty
[13:26] <Guest30546> this plugin wasn't enabled in previous versions (it wasn't even installed by default)
[13:27] <ikonia> join #kubuntu
[13:27] <ikonia> oops
[13:28] <exco_> can I directly boot to a root shell (my login screen breaks the graphics output)?
[13:29] <JensT> exco_: yes, by booting into secure mode (2nd entry in your grub menuà
[13:30] <JensT> you can also just switch to a terminal using ctrl+alt+1 on the login window (even when it's broken)
[13:30] <exco_> thanks JensT - I will try to remove the ati proprietary driver there and see if I get a working login again
[13:30] <exco_> ctrl+alt
[13:30] <JensT> + 1
[13:30] <JensT> or 2/3/4/5/6
[13:30] <exco_> +backspace (enabled) and +1 (2,3,..) didn't work
[13:31] <JensT> ow, ok
[13:41] <javamonger_> Hello all.  I'm tyring to build a kernel with all of the ubuntu patches.  I'm on an ubuntu distro and I installed the "linux-source" package (which pulled in linux-source-2.6.27 and claims to be version 2.6.27-11.27).  However, under /usr/src, I only see a file named "linux-source-2.6.27.tar.bz2".  Can anybody tell me where it installs the ubuntu-patched sources?  Or where I can just download the unbutu kernel patches?  Sorry, I
[13:42] <javamonger_> just please tell me that "linux-source-2.6.27.tar.bz2" isn't really "linux-source-2.6.27-11.27.tar.bz2".
[13:46] <IntuitiveNipple> javamonger_: There's detailed instructions of the various methods here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[13:47] <javamonger_> crap, it is :(
[13:47] <javamonger_> ahh, thanks IntuitiveNipple
[13:48] <javamonger_> I'm trying to make an 8.10 livecd with a patched kernel
[13:51] <javamonger_> IntuitiveNipple, maybe I should ask another question then.  Is the ubuntu kernel sufficiently patched that the normal way to build a kernel wont work, or wont work well?  I'm just planning on doing a "make ARCH=x86 menuconfig" and "make ARCH=X86" (because I'm on amd64 and I need a 32 bit kernel).  I see that this tutorial wants you to use fakeroot & such
[13:51] <d1g1t> try #ubuntu?
[13:51] <javamonger_> d1g1t, me?
[13:51] <d1g1t> yeah
[13:52] <javamonger_> Sorry, I just encountered a lot of people that didn't seem to have answers when I was there (or had, ehem, stupid answers)
[13:52] <d1g1t> this is supposed to be for jaunty I think
[13:52] <Borg7-9> will i be able to update from 8.04 to 9.04
[13:53] <javamonger_> oooh, I see
[13:53] <IntuitiveNipple> javamonger_: You should do "fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic" which will create debian packages.
[13:53] <javamonger_> my appologies
[13:53] <IntuitiveNipple> javamonger_: If you are cross-compiling you'll need additional options
[13:53] <javamonger_> IntuitiveNipple: I need it on a livecd however (I need the BadRAM patch).  So I shouldn't need a debian package, correct?
[13:54] <javamonger_> IntuitiveNipple: well, thankfully, going from x86_64 to x86, you only need to specify the ARCH.  CROSS_COMPILE=blah_blah will cause the kernel build to look for a different compiler
[13:55] <javamonger_> d1g1t: my apologies, I didn't notice that this was supposed to be for jaunty, sorry for the OT.
[13:58] <IntuitiveNipple> javamonger_: same basic idea... the debian/rules scripts set the make variable "arch" - you could over-ride that, or you use the kernel-devs quick-ish method: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance#Quick%20builds
[13:58] <exco> JensT: removing fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-kernel-source xorg-driver-fglrx fixed the login screen
[13:58] <exco> JensT: I don't understand it - but now Compiz is working ;-)
[14:00] <javamonger_> oh cool, thanks.  Yea, I do want to use the .config that the livecd ships with (who knows what I'll break otherwise).  I didn't realize that -jx was safe for kernel builds.  I used it a few years ago and had unstable kernels so I just stopped using it and suffered slower builds
[14:00] <javamonger_> Then again, I think I was hacking the makefile too!, lol!
[14:03] <Cycom> dtchen_: any news? :)
[14:11] <Bonez56> Hi, I have just done a plain vanilla install of Jaunty Alpha 6. I am trying to install the 'mythtv' package but it gives errors. Anyone else having this problem? (Sorry for the copy and paste but here is the error):
[14:11] <Bonez56> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:11] <Bonez56>   mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.21.0+fixes19961-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[14:11] <Bonez56>           Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.21.0+fixes19961-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[14:11] <Bonez56> E: Broken packages
[14:11] <vistakiller1> ok done
[14:11] <vistakiller1> my net is working after suspend
[14:12] <vistakiller1> i have to give this
[14:12] <vistakiller1>  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:19] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakiller1: I have something for you... you disappeared before I could tell you...
[14:19] <IntuitiveNipple> vistakilla: It looks like we have a known bug with that device. Can you add a comment to the report with details of the system (uname -a && lspci -nn). bug #312144. Also, refer to bug #136836 for a better work-around. You can remove the file created by my test instructions.
[14:20] <vistakiller1> now is working
[14:20] <vistakiller1> i have give the command you say
[14:20] <vistakiller1> and after the suspend i give the sudo /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
[14:20] <vistakiller1> and is working
[14:20] <vistakiller1> i have to reply to this bug report?
[14:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Please report the bug, and use the work-around given in #136836 and it'll work without manual intervention
[14:21] <vistakiller1> ok thanks :D
[14:22] <IntuitiveNipple> If we don't receive bug reports/comments with system details we'll never know something needs fixing
[14:22] <Bonez56> please... can anyone help me to install mythtv ?
[14:24] <Bonez56> the mythtv meta package in Jaunty alpha 6 is broken
[14:30] <vistakiller1> wait to fix it
[14:30] <vistakiller1> some days
[14:31] <MTecknology> you guys....
[14:31] <MTecknology> I think a profiled boot needs to become part of the LP janitor...
[14:32] <MTecknology> s/LP//
[14:33] <MTecknology> It brought my boot from 21.47 to 16.90 seconds
[14:33] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, does anyone know if anything has changed in ssh with jaunty. My ssh rsa key seems to get read ok if I specify it with -i <file>, but not if I don't, and never used to have to specify it each time
[14:34] <MTecknology> GibbaTheHutt: where is it located?
[14:34] <MTecknology> and what are the permissions on the directory/files
[14:34] <GibbaTheHutt> in /home/<user>/.ssh and perms are 700
[14:35] <GibbaTheHutt> (on dir and files)
[14:35] <nemo> MTecknology: profiled?
[14:35] <GibbaTheHutt> tried with ssh -vvv and couldn't see anything of note
[14:35] <MTecknology> nemo: I'll find the link when I get to close
[14:35] <MTecknology> class*
[14:36] <nemo> so. I'm setting up a new dual boot for a friend.
[14:36] <nemo> my instinct would be ibex - but I was wondering if jaunty will prompt once it is released.
[14:36] <nemo> given how close it is to release, too, I was thinking it might be less painless just to install the alpha.
[14:37] <IntuitiveNipple> nemo: I've been using jaunty day-to-day for about 2 months now, for kernel development, packaging, and everything else without _too_ many issues
[14:38] <MTecknology> GibbaTheHutt: idk if it'll change, but do chmod -R 644 .ssh; chmod 600 .ssh; chmod 600 .ssh/id_dsa
[14:38] <MTecknology> nemo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254263
[14:39] <MTecknology> nemo: 21% boot time improvement for me
[14:39] <IntuitiveNipple> GibbaTheHutt: This might not be your case, but the ssh man-page says "ssh will simply ignore a private key file if it is accessible by others"
[14:41] <GibbaTheHutt> thanks MTecknology, IntuitiveNipple , I'll reboot into it in a min and try again
[14:41] <MTecknology> good luck
[14:41] <MTecknology> nemo: you should try it - use bootchart to compare
[14:41] <nemo> MTecknology: that boot chart the guy linked to yesterday seemed wrong
[14:41] <nemo> truncated
[14:41] <nemo> but he said that might have been the python interface perhaps
[14:42] <MTecknology> ?
[14:42] <nemo> IntuitiveNipple: heh.
[14:42] <nemo> ok. 'nother question.  I burned a jaunty nightly a week or two ago - would that be adequate for an install base?
[14:43] <IntuitiveNipple> nemo: There'll be a ton of upgrades immediately after installation
[14:43] <nemo> right.
[14:43] <nemo> but no problems in install?
[14:45] <MTecknology> nope
[14:45] <MTecknology> nemo: unless there's a bug - that perhaps was fixed
[14:45]  * MTecknology is running to class
[14:46] <macsim`work> hi, anybody knows how to fix the evolution google calendar plugin ?
[14:56] <Whitor> Hi. I read of a place (on some forum a week or so ago) where the ubuntu dev team was asking for lspci -v output. I'd like to contribute. Does anyone have that link?
[14:57] <rhosigma> im unable to get the Samba gui to install in jaunty
[14:59] <nemo> maco: is that still broken? :-/
[14:59] <nemo> oh.
[14:59] <nemo> macsim`work:
[14:59] <nemo> heh. silly tab complete
[15:00] <nemo> maco hasn't spoken in a while. it is supposed to be smarter than that.  but maybe I was talking to him yesterday
[15:00] <maco> saw my name
[15:00] <maco> what?
[15:00] <maco> oh rght...
[15:00]  * Pici blinks
[15:02] <maco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfoOutputhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfoOutput
[15:02] <maco> doh
[15:02] <maco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfoOutput
[15:04] <marijus> !flood
[15:38] <maxb> Is there a known issue with Firefox deciding it doesn't want to antialias fonts?
[15:38] <nemo> maxb: firefox has antialiasing font config option
[15:38] <nemo> or at least it did in years past
[15:38] <nemo> to avoid antialiasing small fonts.
[15:39] <nemo> apart from that, it should antialias fine, including your system subpixel antialiasing
[15:39] <maxb> I've noticed the fonts in firefox looking less pleasant in the last few days on jaunty, without changing any config
[15:39] <nemo> got a screenshot?
[15:41] <nemo> maybe you turned off subpixel in UI accidentally :)
[15:41] <nemo> or ubuntu did
[15:42] <maxb> huh, how odd
[15:44] <maxb> I went to the appearance properties, and the rendering option radio buttons were in a "none of these" state
[15:53] <ripps> Okay, I'm having a serious problem with libc-i686, I can't start any new programs because I get an error with /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2
[15:55] <o0Chris0o> so how is jaunty doing, what are the major issues?
[16:00] <ripps> I have this error whenever I try to open a program: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2: version `on_start__' not found (required by /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0)
[16:03] <ripps> hello? this is serious! I can't even file bug reports!
[16:03] <o0Chris0o> ripps: simmer down :) launchpad is where the bug reports are
[16:04] <ripps> o0Chris0o: I can't open a browser, how am I supposed to go to launchpad
[16:05] <o0Chris0o> more details the better, I'm new to jaunty, I'm not sure, stick around, I'm sure somone will be able to help
[16:07] <Whitor> ripps, how are you here?
[16:07] <Whitor> could use lynx to get to launchpad ...
[16:08] <Whitor> or another computer
[16:08] <ripps> Whitor: The error started after an update, and I had xchat open before the update.
[16:08] <Whitor> rebooted since the update ?
[16:08] <Whitor> apparently not
[16:09] <Whitor> since xchat is still open
[16:09] <Whitor> might be worth a shot
[16:09] <ripps> Whitor: not yet, because I was afraid I'd loose xchat, and my only means of communicating the problem
[16:09] <Whitor> do you have another computer with an internet connection on hand ?
[16:10] <ripps> Whitor: There's another computer I can use, but I wanted to see if there's was something I could do before I rebooted this computer and possibly loose any gui
[16:10] <Whitor> if this is your lifeline to the internet... oyur sole computer, it probably isn't the best idea to use the development version of ubuntu. Just my opinion though...
[16:10] <Whitor> ahh... I would try a reboot.
[16:11] <Whitor> does the update say that it requires one ?
[16:11] <ripps> Whitor: There's an update for gnome-settings-daemon that won't install due to the error.
[16:12] <Whitor> in Intrepid, there is a 'restart required' icon that gets added to the gnome menu bar... not sure about development updates
[16:13] <ripps> There's no more update required icon for jaunty, just a window telling you to update. I didn't recieve that.
[16:13] <ripps> ^update = reboot
[16:13] <Whitor> was libdl.so one of the things updated ?
[16:13] <ripps> Whitor: Maybe, there was like 50 packages
[16:14] <Whitor> could be that the one loaded in ram is diff from the one on the filesystem at this point.
[16:14] <Whitor> just a guess
[16:14] <Whitor> reboot
[16:14] <ripps> I used dpkg -S to find that libdl.so is a part of libc-i686
[16:14] <Whitor> can oyu open a terminal window ?
[16:15] <ripps> Whitor: I had a terminal widget open
[16:15] <ripps> Can't open any new terminal windows though
[16:15] <Whitor> can you ctrl-alt-f1 to a terminal session ?
[16:15] <Whitor> ctrl-alt-f7 to come back !
[16:16] <ripps> Whitor: yes, and apparently cli programs don't seem to be affected by the error (as far as I can tell)
[16:17] <Whitor> ok, then you can use a terminal irc program to get back here if all else fails
[16:17]  * DanaG uses finch, because it's easier to figure out than irssi and such.
[16:17] <ripps> Whitor: possibly, let me see if I can install finch
[16:18] <Whitor> I've uses irssi once before
[16:18] <Whitor> used^
[16:19] <ripps> Actually, a commandline irc client wouldn't help much, because I've never been able to get my wifi to work outside of X
[16:19] <ripps> If I'm unablet to start Gnome after reboot, I don't think I'll be able to get online
[16:20] <Whitor> jaunty is still alpha for a reason ...
[16:20] <Whitor> were you looking for something in jaunty that you don't have in intrepid ? - just curious
[16:20] <ripps> Whitor: I know, and I'm ready to reinstall if necessary. That's why I'm here, making people aware of these errors
[16:20] <nemo> functioning intel driver? :)
[16:21] <Whitor> ripps, cool, thank you very much
[16:21] <Whitor> nemo, what intel product ?
[16:21] <nemo> Whitor: i815g
[16:22] <nemo> is crashy in ibex
[16:22] <nemo> crashes all better in jaunty.
[16:22] <Whitor> better in jaunty ?
[16:22] <nemo> completely
[16:22] <Whitor> nice
[16:22] <ripps> I guess I'll reboot and see if it's fixed. See you later (hopefully)
[16:22] <DJones>  /topic
[16:22] <Whitor> GL ribo
[16:22] <Whitor> GL ripps
[16:29] <ripps> Good News, reboot indeed fixed the problem
[16:30] <ripps> Still, I would have felt better if there was some kind of warning.
[16:34] <rhosigma> system-config-samba:
[16:34] <rhosigma>  Depends: python-libuser but it is not going to be installed - PLEASE HELP
[16:35] <peppot> new ati drivers out yet?
[16:35] <DanaG> yup.
[16:35] <DanaG> Still broken for me... but I seem to just have bad video karma -- ALL of them (except for 8.543) have been broken for me.
[16:36] <ripps> peppot: 6.12 came out a day or two ago
[16:36] <DanaG> lolz: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE1MA
[16:37] <ripps> DanaG: That has to be the ugliest mascot ever
[16:38] <DanaG> heh, I actually had to check the date when I saw that.  =þ
[16:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, and a piece of good news: http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-announce/2009-March/000013.html
[16:39] <peppot> ripps, not the one compatible with the new xorg, no?
[16:39] <ripps> peppot: are talkinga bout xorg-ati or fglrx?
[16:40]  * DanaG has tried the new fglrx 8.600... and yes, it is compatible with new Xorg.
[16:41] <o0Chris0o> how is nvidia and the new xorg?
[16:41] <DanaG> oh hellz, I may try just running my Jaunty in a VBox guest under Windows!  =þ
[16:41] <peppot> DanaG, where to find that?
[16:41] <DanaG> New fglrx is in the repos.
[16:42] <peppot> ah, thanks
[16:42] <DanaG> Bummer I still have this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[16:42] <DanaG> Not fixed!
[16:43] <DanaG> Should I just go ahead and mark it not-fixed?
[16:43] <ripps> DanaG: I thought that 9.4 beta was released today.
[16:43] <ripps> ^for ubuntu
[16:43] <DanaG> 8.600 is what's in the repos; not sure what the corresponding release number is.
[16:44] <DanaG> 9.3 or 9.4, most likely.
[16:44] <ripps> I heard they were skipping 9.3 and going straight to 9.4.
[16:44] <ripps> But 9.4 doesn't work with r300-500 cards.
[16:44] <peppot> to install and switch to the new fglrx, is an install of xorg-driver-fglrx all that's required?
[16:44] <DanaG> Either way, it's still just as broken for me on my r600.
[16:45] <DanaG> You also have to tweak xorg.conf to use fglrx.
[16:45] <Alexia_Death> hmm.... GTK qt theming is no longeer working after recent updates...
[16:45] <Alexia_Death> any clues as to why?
[16:45] <DanaG> Yeah, they switched from gtk-qt-engine to qtcurve.
[16:45] <peppot> DanaG, how so? black screen as with older versions?
[16:46] <nemo> DanaG: due to gtk mapping poorly or something?
[16:46] <DanaG> Same as all the others, for me: black screen and a long backtrace.
[16:46] <billybigrigger> anyone here running pidgin right now? how come the pidgin icon is in the tray as usual, but in between the tray and the volume/time&date is a pidgin envelope icon that if i click on it opens buddy list, why are there 2 pidgin icons???
[16:46] <DanaG> Beats me on the gtk-qt.
[16:46]  * DanaG is lucky / unlucky enough to have R600.
[16:47] <ripps> billybigrigger: that's the indicator applet, it tells you which applications have plugins to work with notify-osd (i think)
[16:47] <DanaG> Lucky because fglrx supports it..... unlucky because fglrx is broken.
[16:47] <DanaG> And radeon can't do power management or opengl.
[16:47] <billybigrigger> ripps, well whats the point of it?
[16:47] <tabgal> howdie, does anyone has a marble mouse on Jaunty and has scroll working?
[16:48] <billybigrigger> ripps, do i really need to know what apps have notify-osd plugins?
[16:48] <ripps> billybigrigger: I'm not entirely sure, but I think it collects important notifications to view later.
[16:49] <ripps> otherwise, it just lists programs that have the capability.
[16:49] <ripps> like mine, has pidgin and evolution in it.
[16:49] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:56] <fargiolas> anybody has an antialias issue with firefox after one of the latest upgrades?
[16:57] <ripps> I haven't used firefox in a long time, too much memory, and way too slow. Epiphany is where it's at
[16:58] <noren> Epiphany is that kde based or gnome based
[16:58] <fargiolas> ripps: 2.27 i suppose
[16:58] <billybigrigger> does epiphany have flash support?
[16:58] <ripps> billybigrigger: yep
[16:58] <billybigrigger> ripps, does it use flashplugin-nonfree?
[16:59] <ripps> billybigrigger: yes
[16:59] <fargiolas> btw epiphany doesn't have any issue, it's a firefox one, anybody can confirm?
[16:59] <billybigrigger> right on, might give it a go
[16:59] <ripps> epiphany uses the gecko engine, same as firefox
[16:59] <fargiolas> ripps: I currently have epiphany 2.27 so no way to test it with gecko
[17:00] <ripps> fargiolas: is epiphany 2.27 webkit exclusive?
[17:00] <tabgal> fargiolas, yep
[17:01] <fargiolas> ripps: sure, webkit backend in 2.24 was just an experiment and it's deprecated
[17:01] <tabgal> fonts are not AAed
[17:01] <fargiolas> ripps: 2.27 *is* epiphany webkit
[17:01] <fargiolas> tabgal: oh ok, let's find if launchpad already knows it
[17:01] <JMFTheVCI> Anyone tested Jaunty on a Samsung NC10 netbook?
[17:02] <IntuitiveNipple> We were hoping you would :)
[17:02] <JMFTheVCI> I have a reall up-to-date Intrepid that is fully operational.
[17:02] <hoonteke> does there exist a list of expected changes between intrepid and jaunty?
[17:02] <tabgal> fargiolas, I don't know what's the full extent of this, but FF is looking 'themeless' (on KDE)
[17:04] <fargiolas> tabgal: uhm with gnome it's just not antialiased
[17:05] <tabgal> yeah, makes sense
[17:10] <JMFTheVCI> is there a way to boot/test Januty from an ISO?
[17:10] <JMFTheVCI> or do we have to burn first?
[17:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Via PXE netboot
[17:10] <DanaG> Or usb-creator.
[17:11] <yofel__> or start it in a virtual machine via Virtualbox or kvm
[17:11] <IntuitiveNipple> starting in a VM won't test the host hardware though
[17:11] <JMFTheVCI> thanks, bit of a noob...
[17:13] <danbhfive> anyone know if its possible for a "workaround" to be included in jaunty?  The bugfix is apparently sitting upstream..  but there is a workaround which makes the bug less obvious
[17:13] <IntuitiveNipple> danbhfive: what bug?
[17:14] <danbhfive> bug 264196
[17:14] <JMFTheVCI> Using the USB-Creator tool.
[17:16] <danbhfive> IntuitiveNipple: the workaround that I would suggest is to have a more sensible default repeat rate,  since it looks like we won't be able to edit the repeat rate ourselves till koala.  And, the current repeat rate causes lots of typos, its set really high
[17:21] <JMFTheVCI> Right, time to test Januty!
[17:21] <Pici> What about Jaunty?
[17:21] <genii> Pici: The mis-spellings begin!
[17:21] <JMFTheVCI> er..yeah...that too!
[17:24] <maxb> Hm, fonts in firefox are definitely less pretty after recent updates
[17:24] <keepsake> Anyone have fglrx working in Jaunty?
[17:24] <keepsake> I dunno, I personally like the fonts more
[17:25] <keepsake> They look more compact.
[17:26] <maxb> Mine look not-antialiased
[17:26] <keepsake> Oh, mine are still nicely antialiased, maybe that's why =\
[17:27] <keepsake> It's silly how antialiasing isn't on in windows xp by default.
[17:27] <maxb> I shall have to have a careful look through the dpkg-log and try reverting some likely updates.
[17:27] <keepsake> =P
[17:29] <vbgunz> in the latest Kubuntu Jaunty, does anyone have the "show desktop" widget?
[17:30] <JMFTheVCI> I am just on Jaunty now. It is visible on the default bottom bar
[17:30] <vbgunz> JMFTheVCI: you have the "show desktop" widget? when you click on it, all windows minimize and you see the desktop?
[17:30] <JMFTheVCI> Yup
[17:30] <vbgunz> latest Jaunty, keeping up to date?
[17:30] <JMFTheVCI> Alpha 6 download this afternoon. Running live off USB key
[17:31] <vbgunz> what in the world is keeping me from seeing the "show desktop" widget? I created a brand new account and still dont have that widget :/
[17:31] <tabgal> does anyone has any idea what's the delay btw mirrors??
[17:32] <JMFTheVCI> Do this: Right click on a spare bit of space on either the top or bottom panel. Click add to panel. Scroll down and add the Show Desktop widget
[17:33] <vbgunz> JMFTheVCI: yeah, I've done that. I have done that on the new account too. all I get is a red X (unknown widget) :/
[17:34] <JMFTheVCI> Just done it to add it to the top panel and deleted the bottom panel for the extra screenspace (1024x600)
[17:34] <vbgunz> well, it seems audio now works though in JMFTheVCIyou're on Ubuntu? or Kubuntu?
[17:34] <JMFTheVCI> Ubuntu
[17:34] <vbgunz> ahh
[17:34] <vbgunz> I am talking about Kubuntu :)
[17:35] <JMFTheVCI> Ok. That then is the cause. A bug with Kubuntu
[17:35] <JMFTheVCI> I prefer Gnome to KDE.
[17:35] <vbgunz> JMFTheVCI: how long have you been on GNU/Linux? less than a year? thats the problem :)
[17:36] <vbgunz> heh, jk, I guess a good to honest shot could make you change your mind. KDE 4.2 is what 4.0 should have been. its turning out awesome :)
[17:37] <JMFTheVCI> I have been using various Linux's over the many years and Ubuntu is one that, so far, has full support for almost all that I need. And one that has a support mechanism for my *mandatory* work apps
[17:37] <vbgunz> sweet. I been an Ubuntu user going on 3+ years
[17:39] <JMFTheVCI> I have been using it for about a month in anger.
[17:39] <JMFTheVCI> It works on my T61 Thinkpad and has replaced XP. I am now using it on my Samsung Netbook.
[17:39] <JMFTheVCI> NC10
[17:40] <vbgunz> well i was angry at ms so I made the switch. to be honest I still dual boot for steam though :/
[17:42] <JMFTheVCI> I have dual boot on both but I run a XP VM and use that if I am forced to use an XP only app.
[17:44] <tgpraveen> vbgunz: i think wine and crossover havre good steam support
[17:45] <vbgunz> I have vbox too. Win XP and WS08 guests. I use them for anything else but gaming atm
[17:45] <JMFTheVCI> I use Ms Money 2004. This is garbage under Wine.
[17:45] <JMFTheVCI> Even tested the latest Wine release
[17:46] <JMFTheVCI> I have just tested Sound and Network and all is good.
[17:47] <JMFTheVCI> It did set my default font pixel size to 117!. I have it down at 70.
[17:47] <vbgunz> wine is one too many headache I don't need. I just hibernate my work, boot up into WS08 and game. once thats done, reboot back into Kubuntu, my work is all right where I left it and I continue on as if I never rebooted
[17:48] <vbgunz> for other necessary windows apps, if the need even arises, I try doing it in a vbox guest. if thats an Epic fail, I dual boot if it is important enough
[17:50] <tgpraveen> JMFTheVCI: it is not gonna work anytime soon. best if u move from ms money to some other foss software
[17:50] <tgpraveen> heck ms money 2002 and 2005 break compatibility so i dont wanna go in there
[17:50] <vbgunz> may happen soon though. MS is really having no choice but to either make inroads into the Linux market OR just steadily decline
[17:50] <JMFTheVCI> I have too much stuff on there and I have found no other software that comes close to being that easy. I have tried a lot of freeware linux software,
[17:55] <AnRkey> does any1 know of any openoffice.org v3 .debs that I can use for 8.04.2?
[17:55] <AnRkey> can i just use the jaunty ones?
[17:59] <peppot> is it just me, or is compiz on ati radeon hd 3470 and jaunty very slow?
[17:59] <peppot> maximizing a window (maximize toggle) takes about a second
[18:00] <yofel__> thats odd. in jaunty (alt+sysrq+b (as in reisub)) tells me: "resetting system" but actually does nothing
[18:00] <pitwalker> peppot: also can slow with intel
[18:03] <adz21c> Hi, I recently installed Kubuntu Jaunty. I am just using the Software Updates manager and it says I have some blocked update, I can't seem to see why they are blocked, is there something I am not seeing?
[18:09] <peace_> hey guys
[18:09] <peace_> [ 3023.055554] wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3)
[18:09] <peace_> atheros wifi
[18:09] <peace_> ??
[18:10] <peace_> i can't connect...
[18:11] <peppot> after installing the new ati drivers, desktop performance is about half of what it was with vesa. any clues? ati mobility radeon hd 3470 on jaunty
[18:11] <tgpraveen> adz21c: wait for few hrs and try again
[18:12] <adz21c> tgpraveen: tried that, it cropped up blocked yesterday. Still thats not my main issue. I want to know why they are blocked, does the GUI inform me anyway, as I can't see it
[18:13] <tgpraveen> go in synaptic and click mark all upgrades or something button
[18:13] <tgpraveen> on te bar at the top big button
[18:14] <tgpraveen> and it will tell u stuff like to be removed to be updated to be upgraded etc
[18:14] <adz21c> tgpraveen: Well that answers my question then, no. I know I could look in synaptic and that would be no doubt more informative, I was more curious if this software would be
[18:14] <tgpraveen> so that might give u more info
[18:15] <tgpraveen> bye
[18:16] <adz21c> bye, thanks for the assistance
[18:24] <peppot> so, in jaunty, does metacity have its own compositing? I'm seeing shadows from windows and abysmally slow window maximize, and no running compiz....
[18:24] <peppot> all points to the new ati driver being horribly bad
[18:24] <zash> peppot: metacity had composing in interpid
[18:25] <zash> an it is still there
[18:25] <zash> in jaunty
[18:25] <peppot> ah
[18:26] <peppot> I am unable to disable it. compositing is set to off, and if I try to re-enable it to be able to choose "none" again, I get an infinite loop where it goees around around saying "desktop effects can't be enabled"
[18:27] <zash> peppot: start gconf-editor
[18:27] <zash> and in /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager
[18:27] <zash> set to false
[18:30] <peppot> there we go, thanks!
[18:30] <peppot> very disappointed that the new ati driver sucked so bad.
[18:35] <mnemo> i have some ppa versions of stuff installed for testing and now I want to revert to the real ubuntu versions... how can I do that?
[18:35] <mnemo> I removed the ppa from sources.list so far but how can I trigger the downgrade?
[18:38] <ripps> to downgrade a package to the default jaunty package: "sudo apt-get install packag_name/jaunty"
[18:39] <mnemo> thanks ripps
[18:39] <ripps> :)
[18:41] <yofel__> hm, does cpufreq work with anybody? the gnome-applet shows what i set it to - but judging from the temperature it does nothing, and the cli-version simply hangs up
[18:42] <peppot> an average of 1100 fps for fgl_glxgears, is this reasonable performance for a laptop and radeon hd 3470?
[18:45] <o0Chris0o> anyone having issues playing sound events in jaunty? its just static here
[18:45] <nemo> no issues personally
[18:45] <taggie> Chris, I've been having problems since starting with alpha2
[18:45] <taggie> Off and on, restarting alsa-utils makes it better for a while
[18:46] <o0Chris0o> taggie: I see what sound card do you have
[18:46] <taggie> it's an intel HDA
[18:46] <taggie> thinkpad x301, don't recall specifically which chip... one sec..
[18:46] <o0Chris0o> taggie: I have nvidia hda
[18:47] <taggie> Chris, have you tried restarting alsa?
[18:47] <o0Chris0o> not yet I havent, whats the command? "restart alsa" ?
[18:55] <peace_> i have a issue with atheros wifi
[18:55] <peace_> anyone else?
[19:08] <Volkodav> new update wants to remove nautilus cd burner and xscreensaver
[19:11] <Volkodav> should I wait ?
[19:11] <Volkodav> till it does all &
[19:11] <Volkodav> ?
[19:15] <peppot> anyone using latest ati drivers and metacity compositing? does it suck for you too? i.e. horribly slow?
[19:16] <peppot> 8.600, that is.
[19:21] <crankharder> hmm, network manager is removed/gone? how do I setup a static ip?
[19:22] <pavs> Why can't I enable "Desktop Effects" on the latest Jaunty Alpha? My hardware obviously supports it since it works without any problem under previous release.
[19:23] <peppot> pavs, you probably don't have the proper drivers installed yet. what graphics hardware do you have?
[19:24] <pavs> ATI HD something
[19:24] <peppot> ah, then you need to grab the latest xorg-driver-fglrx
[19:24] <DanaG> "HD" naming implies R600 or R700.
[19:24] <DanaG> Kinda' handy, that change in naming, actually.
[19:24] <peppot> and then run aticonfig --force --initiaö
[19:25] <pavs> should be synaptic?
[19:25] <pavs> *in
[19:25] <peppot> DanaG, are you on mobile radeon too? I'm on hd 3470, and compositing in metacity is horribly slow
[19:25] <peppot> pavs, if you have restricted repos enabled
[19:25] <pavs> Ok I found it
[19:26] <DanaG> I have an HD3650, and I just plain can't use fglrx -- it gives a kernel panic.
[19:26] <pavs> is it: aticonfig --force --initiao ??
[19:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[19:27] <DanaG> fixed? bull... it's still broken for me!
[19:28] <peppot> pavs, oops. initiate
[19:28] <o0Chris0o> gah, wish I could fix this sound :D
[19:29] <pavs> peppot I get: aticonfig: unrecognized option '--initiate'
[19:29] <peppot> may be -initiate
[19:29] <DanaG> initial
[19:29] <DanaG> oh yeah, so... I just plain can't use fglrx.
[19:30] <peppot> ah yes.
[19:30] <peppot> well
[19:30] <peppot> it's no big loss
[19:30] <DanaG> 8.543... worked.  8.552... broken.  8.563... broken.  8.570... broken.  8.600.... broken.
[19:30] <peppot> its performance is comparable with vesa
[19:30] <DanaG> They alllllllllllllll give me the same kernel panic.
[19:39] <tlord> Hi! Anyone with experience upgrading 8.10 to 9.4 alpha 6 (the first 9.4 version I've tried)? My upgrade process seems to be taking an awfully long time at "Preconfiguring packages ..." The side-to-side animated bar keeps moving side to side, though, and I can play Tetris in the background -- but it's been "Preconfiguring" now for more than two hours.
[19:39] <tlord> My process was to back up all the data on the laptop, do a clean install of 8.10, then update-manager -g. Spent all night getting the packages :)
[19:39] <tlord> So, for anyone who's done the 8.10 --> 9.4 alpha transition, I'd appreciate hearing a) how long I should expect (or tolerate) the "Preconfiguring packages" message ... is there some way to find out whether the process is hung? (Is there something I can look for in th System Monitor?) What happens if I try to stop the process now and start over -- system hosed?
[19:40] <tlord> Thanks :)
[19:41] <bardyr> tlord, what is the terminal output saying?
[19:42] <tlord> bardyr -- the last line displayed is Preconfiguring packages ..."
[19:42] <tlord> "Preconfiguring packages" rather.
[19:43] <tlord> Before that, "Extracting templates from packages: 100%"
[19:44] <tlord> If that side-to-side bar would just stop somewhere and look broken, I'd figure ... it was broken :)
[19:44] <tlord> Very little hard drive activity, not sure whether that's significant.
[19:45] <tlord> If I kill the distribution upgrade process and then start it again, will it a) hose the system (not a big deal per se, that's why this is a clean install after a full backup -- but a big loss of time) or b) decide I need to download the same hundreds of megs of updates?
[19:46] <maxb> 2 hours is far too long for that. Run "ps -efH" to get a full processlist. Stick it on a pastebin, and I can possibly figure out what it's doing from that.
[19:46] <bardyr> tlord, it should just start op where it was killed
[19:47] <bardyr> tlord, but why upgrade from a clean install? just download the alpha
[19:49] <tlord> Bardyr -- I already had 8.10.
[19:50] <tlord> maxb -- I appreciate that, but I'm actually typing from a different machine right now.
[19:55] <mvo> tlord: you do you a "ps afx" ?
[19:55] <MTecknology> I just grabbed 4.9MB of data and put it on my system... du -hs on it showed 308KB... but all the data looks like it's there
[19:55] <MTecknology> any guesses why it would be showing up so different?
[19:56] <mvo> tlord: please keep it running for now so that we can try to diangose the issue
[19:57] <tlord> mvo and maxb - in a few mintues I should be able to switch machines and join IRC from there :) Thanks, hoping you can help me figure this out.
[19:57] <tlord> (I have let it continue running, Yes. )
[20:01] <eMaX> hi all
[20:01] <eMaX> can I disable ipv6?
[20:05] <MTecknology> ya
[20:06] <MTecknology> wrong chan
[20:06] <slytherin> anybody willing to do some DVD playback testing?
[20:07] <ripps> slytherin: what kind?
[20:08] <slytherin> ripps: It is currently broken in jaunty and I have a package in my PPA that should fix it.
[20:09] <ripps> slytherin: sure, as long as it won't interfere with my mplayer setup
[20:09] <slytherin> ripps: what setup?
[20:09] <billybigrigger> slytherin, ill help ya test it
[20:09] <billybigrigger> is it 32 or 64 specific?
[20:09] <ripps> slytherin: mplayer+smplayer compiled with coreavc support
[20:09] <slytherin> ripps: actually DVD playback is broken completely in mplayer, vlc, totem etc
[20:10] <tabgal> slytherin, how exactly is broken?? too slow, crashes, bugs?
[20:10] <slytherin> billybigrigger: nothing arch specific. All you need to confirm that DVD does not play with current packages in repository and then it works with package in my PPA
[20:10] <slytherin> tabgal: it doesn't work at all
[20:11] <tabgal> ok, but if you type mplayer dvd:// what happens?
[20:11] <LSD200> hey all - quick question - have any of you got pycad working in latest alpha?
[20:11] <slytherin> tabgal: currently, some permission error.  It will only update libdvdread4
[20:12] <billybigrigger> slytherin, where's your PPA link
[20:12] <ripps> slytherin: cool, let me at it
[20:12] <pitwalker> slytherin: DVD playback works with VLC, i watch a Blackmore's Night concert
[20:13] <slytherin> billybigrigger: ripps: I will point you to the bug.
[20:13] <slytherin> pitwalker: in jaunty?
[20:13] <slytherin> pitwalker: for commercial DVDs i.e. one where you need to use libdvdcss?
[20:13] <maxb> slytherin: I'm afraid I'm not at a DVD-capable computer right now, but I watched a DVD using uptodate jaunty totem-xine last night
[20:13] <maxb> So it's not entirely broken
[20:13] <pitwalker> vlc Version: 0.9.8a-1ubuntu4
[20:13] <slytherin> maxb: xine based players is not a problem.
[20:13] <maxb> ah
[20:14] <billybigrigger> vlc not working here
[20:14] <slytherin> maxb: xine has it's own copy of libdvdread/libdvdnav.
[20:14] <slytherin> billybigrigger: what kind of error do you get?
[20:14]  * maxb so used to needing xine for menu support that it's become default in my head :-)
[20:15] <billybigrigger> playback failure:
[20:15] <billybigrigger> VLC cannot set the DVD's title. It possibly cannot decrypt the entire disk.
[20:15] <slytherin> maxb: well, totem-gstreamer has really good support now for menus and subtitles (of course once I fix this problem).
[20:15] <billybigrigger> your input can't be opened:
[20:15] <tabgal> slytherin, works here
[20:15] <billybigrigger> VLC cannot set the DVD's title. It possibly cannot decrypt the entire disk.
[20:15] <billybigrigger> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'. Check the log for details.
[20:16] <slytherin> billybigrigger: check bug 342890
[20:16] <ripps> slytherin: I just popped in the Short Circuit 2 dvd, and it works fine in totem.
[20:16] <slytherin> ripps: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[20:17] <ripps> slytherin: gstreamer
[20:17] <slytherin> ripps: and is the DVD one which requires libdvdcss2?
[20:17] <pitwalker> slytherin: www.lordzenekar.hu's DVD is playable with totem Version: 2.26.0-0ubuntu1
[20:17] <ripps> slytherin: no clue
[20:18] <tlord> I'd be very surprised if any particular commerical / entertainment DVD did *not* require it :)
[20:18] <slytherin> ripps: you can try this from command line - totem dvd:// - and then see if you get any messages related to libdvdcss2
[20:18] <tlord> There have been a few that have not, mostly documentaries etc. I think.
[20:19] <ripps> sytherin: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
[20:19] <slytherin> ripps: Ok. Let me check myself with some of the DVDs I have.
[20:20] <tlord> <-- swapping machines :)
[20:23] <ripps> sytherin: works fine in smplayer too.
[20:23] <tlord-laptop> maxb -- I'm about to run that ps -efH --would you mind parsing "stick it on a pastebin"? Open a new channel to dump it into?
[20:23] <slytherin> ripps: Ok. So problem is with certain DVDs only. Does your DVD have menu?
[20:24] <slytherin> pitwalker: does your DVD have menu?
[20:24] <tlord-laptop> I just started a channel called "pastebin" :)
[20:24] <pitwalker> slytherin: a basic, buc i can change
[20:25] <tabgal> slytherin, worked here wih a commercial dvd in mplayer
[20:25] <slytherin> I am trying to figure out what kind of DVDs work and what kind don't.
[20:25] <pitwalker> libdvdread4.1.3-4ubuntu1
[20:25] <yofel__> !pastebin | tlord-laptop
[20:26] <ripps> slytherin: dvd menu works in totem, but just skips it in smplayer
[20:27] <slytherin> ripps: tabgal: pitwalker: can you all confirm that it still works even after installing libdvdread4 from my PPA? The tracking bug is bug 342890
[20:27] <o0Chris0o> Any others having audio problems with jaunty? its all static whenever audio plays, especially system sounds
[20:28] <tabgal> slytherin, sorry, what's PPA?
[20:28] <slytherin> tabgal: personal package archive
[20:28] <pitwalker> slytherin: complicated menus also work in vlc
[20:28] <tabgal> ii  libdvdcss2                                                    1.2.10-0.2medibuntu1
[20:29] <slytherin> pitwalker: surprising. Of all the DVDs I have, none work with packages from official repository.
[20:31] <ripps> slytherin: I know certain disney dvd's will never work
[20:31] <ripps> they use a complicated form of copy protection
[20:31] <slytherin> ripps: funny you should say that, I was trying with toy story 1/2. It does not work with package in repository but works with my package.
[20:32] <tlord-laptop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/133205/ <-- that's the output of my ps -efH, in hopes someone can say why my upgrade seems to be hung at Preconfiguring packages ...
[20:33] <maxb> tlord-laptop: the interesting bits are truncated
[20:34] <maxb> Pipe it through cat, that ought to stop it cropping to the width of your terminal
[20:34] <pitwalker> slytherin: vlc crashes from  Mel Gibson's movie
[20:35] <slytherin> pitwalker: crash is unexpected.
[20:39] <slytherin> pitwalker: ripps: tabgal: billybigrigger: I am bit sleepy here. If you find any DVD that doesn't work with packages in repository please test package as specified in the bug. Please note that xine based players are not affected.
[20:39] <IntuitiveNipple> tlord-laptop:  Look for any newly created log files or log-directories for clues: ls -lstr /var/log/
[20:39] <maxb> tlord-laptop: Got an updated paste yet?
[20:42] <tlord-laptop> maxb, sorry, not yet -- trying to do a few things at once.
[20:44] <pitwalker> slytherin: good night, i'm go to sleep
[20:44] <slytherin> pitwalker: thanks for feedback.
[20:46] <tlord-laptop> updated pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133210/
[20:47] <slytherin> ripps: tabgal: billybigrigger: thanks for all the feedback.
[20:48] <tlord-laptop> pastebin for the ls -lstr results
[20:48] <AnRkey> this is more  dev question i think: where can i edit the System > Settings > Sessions via the command line for a user?
[20:49] <tlord-laptop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/133211/
[20:50] <tlord-laptop> Hey! Now I'm to "reading database ..."
[20:50] <tlord-laptop> Something gave, somewhere ...
[20:51] <tlord-laptop> unpacking / processing / replacing packages now ...
[21:06] <MTecknology> way to go on the new usplash
[21:06] <MTecknology> that whole glowing thing kinda implies fast
[21:13] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Is OpenOffice 3.1 planned to be included with Ubuntu 9.04?
[21:15] <tmeixner> I thought I read there was a feature freeze after alpha 5 - but please correct me, I just  picked that up somewhere.
[21:18] <yofel__> there is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[21:19] <crdlb> ilembitov: apparently not
[21:38] <tmeixner> 3 days till beta - I shall sleep calmer then :-)
[21:41] <MTecknology> OH! artwork freeze is tomorrow
[21:41] <MTecknology> HURRAY
[21:42] <MTecknology> well - final deadline
[21:42]  * genii wonders what a jackelope even looks like
[21:42] <MTecknology> lol
[21:43] <MTecknology> Anyone know how I can make X not probe at every boot and just push those configs to a file
[21:44] <IntuitiveNipple> The whole point is it does probe... its gone all automatical and hal-ified
[21:44] <MTecknology> IntuitiveNipple: ya... at the cost of 15% of my boot time
[21:45] <IntuitiveNipple> so don't boot so often then :)
[21:45] <MTecknology> it's a laptop
[21:45] <IntuitiveNipple> so?
[21:45] <IntuitiveNipple> I only reboot this one when I've no choice... sometimes goes a week or more without it
[21:46] <MTecknology> the battery only lasts 10-30min
[21:46] <IntuitiveNipple> wow! new battery time!
[21:46] <MTecknology> I need to turn it off when I change classes
[21:46] <MTecknology> ya.... I ordered one in december
[21:46] <MTecknology> still fighting them to get it back
[21:46] <MTecknology> apparently it was stolen somewhere
[21:47] <MTecknology> but... I want to do this anyway
[21:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I got some great long-life spares from Hong Kong in 2007 and they're doing better than the original Sony batteries.
[21:48] <MTecknology> this whole xorg probing thing is under documented
[21:57] <dtchen> Cycom: i'm pushing to my tree. should have something for testing soon.
[22:01] <DanaG> hmm, since this is not fixed.... what should I mark it?
[22:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[22:01] <DanaG> It's not fixed.
[22:04] <SnoFox> Well, I was gonna ask if there's a way I could downgrade to stable, but I realized I'm using ext4, which is also stopping me from upgrading...
[22:05] <crdlb> you can't downgrade anyway
[22:05] <SnoFox> Well can you help me upgrade then? :p
[22:06] <crdlb> I'm lost
[22:06] <crdlb> what are you using now?
[22:06] <SnoFox> Jaunty.
[22:06] <SnoFox> Okay, I'll make you unlost...
[22:07] <SnoFox> I saw there was a bunch of updates today, and I'm like "yay!". So I go and update everything, dpkg errors out because ext4 claims there's no disk space left.
[22:07] <DanaG> oh, boot single and fsck.
[22:07] <SnoFox> Does it have to be in single mode? After a reboot it ran a fsck, and I went to update, and it errored out again.
[22:08]  * SnoFox looks around, and switches to tty1.
[22:08]  * SnoFox types reboot and hits enter
[22:11] <SnoFox> Is it safe to run the fsck from single mode even though it's mounted?
[22:11] <SnoFox> Er, / is mounted.
[22:11] <DanaG> Is it mounted only RO, at least?
[22:11] <SnoFox> If I remember correctly, yes.
[22:12] <SnoFox> So should be safe?
[22:12] <dtchen> uh, please DON'T
[22:12] <SnoFox> dtchen: ?
[22:12] <dtchen> reboot into a live cd and do it from there UNMOUNTED
[22:13] <maco> RO isnt good enough, no
[22:13] <dtchen> i utterly trashed / on encrypted lvm by accidentally fscking a mounted /
[22:13] <SnoFox> Does it matter if the Live CD is an older version of Ubuntu? Or if I maybe even Kubuntu?
[22:13] <maco> thats fine
[22:13] <SnoFox> I don't know if I even have a Live CD anymore. xD
[22:13] <dtchen> you can use an alternate installer's rescue mode
[22:13] <maco> could also force fsck to runon text boot
[22:14] <dtchen> just do NOT fsck a mounted fs
[22:14] <SnoFox> Okay.
[22:14] <SnoFox> Brb then.
[22:14] <DanaG> How can you possibly 'touch /forcefsck' when it says it's out of space?
[22:14] <DanaG> =þ
[22:15] <dtchen> depends if it's utterly out of space, or if you still have free inodes thanks to the default 5% reserved for root
[22:15] <DanaG> Either way, it's a false "out of space".
[22:21] <danbhfive_jaunty> is the new notification thing written in QT?
[22:22] <crdlb> danbhfive_jaunty: no
[22:22] <danbhfive_jaunty> crdlb: whats it written in?
[22:22] <crdlb> it uses gtk with lots of cairo
[22:23] <danbhfive_jaunty> interesting, thanks
[22:27] <SnoFox> Finally got the Live CD working. >.<
[22:27] <SnoFox> But it's Intrepid Ibex.
[22:27] <SnoFox> How would I scan an ext4 filesystem with it?
[22:28] <tabgal> huh...
[22:28] <dtchen> i think you _really_ want to use a current daily or daily-live
[22:28] <SnoFox> I have no way to download it, really.
[22:29] <SnoFox> Unless the Live CD will put it on my swapfile?
[22:29] <SnoFox> Then I'd be able to burn it.
[22:29] <dtchen> Cycom: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=dtchen/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=commitdiff;h=9797e05d142312ec0f4a8a0fd66d68bf4555b942
[22:30] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, anyone know how to get gnome-keyring/seahorse to work in Jaunty (or help me figure why its not). Works fine in previous versions and on fedora, and ssh-agent works fine in Jaunty (so I know keys are fine)
[22:33] <tretle> was wondering if there is a ppa around with the gnome-volume-manager that was in earlier builds?
[22:33] <SnoFox> Bleh.
[22:33] <SnoFox> The download is incredably slow.
[22:36] <SnoFox> Why are any of my downloads from the Ubuntu servers slow? D:
[22:37]  * crdlb was pulling something like 1.5MB at one point today
[22:38] <SnoFox> I can't even break 200KiB/s.
[22:38] <SnoFox> It's taking over an hour to download the daily build.
[22:38] <SnoFox> I'm 'bout ready to complain to Comcast.
[22:38] <dtchen> it's peak usage time
[22:39] <dtchen> 6:40 PM EDT
[22:39] <SnoFox> dtchen, I never seem to get much more then 200KiB/s, even at midnight.
[22:39] <dtchen> 200 KB/s would be a blessing on this connection
[22:39] <DanaG> same here from cdimages.ubuntu.com.
[22:40] <blizzkid> lo all. I wrote a python script to interact with dbus. It worked fine until today's upgrade. Now I get this error: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name im.pidgin.purple.PurpleService was not provided by any .service files
[22:41] <SnoFox> I suppose Comcast must just be pissed at me for being more active then usual...
[22:42] <hggdh> they might. I heard comcast was implementing caps
[22:43] <crdlb> blizzkid: hmm, what is that serviced used for?
[22:44] <blizzkid> crdlb: I send a message to dbus when a message is sent to me in finch
[22:44] <blizzkid> kinda like libnotify plugin for pidgin
[22:45] <crdlb> seems like a packaging mistake
[22:45] <crdlb> I guess the .service file got lost
[22:45] <blizzkid> crdlb: any idea on how to restore it?
[22:47] <SnoFox> hggdh: that's old news. They implemented those a while ago.
[22:48] <SnoFox> It's like 250GB, though.
[22:48] <SnoFox> I haven't even heard of anyone comming too close to it.
[22:51] <SnoFox> I ought to install flash and go play on newgrounds while this CD downloads. -.-
[23:01] <dimitree> any idea why after the last update my DVB-S is no longer working :)
[23:07] <crdlb> blizzkid: it doesn't look like there was a service file in intrepid either
[23:07] <blizzkid> crdlb: the weird thing is it just worked fine yesterday
[23:07] <crdlb> which means that I guess you're supposed to have an app running which runs the service
[23:07] <crdlb> ie pidgin or whatever
[23:08] <blizzkid> hmmz, I might indeed have started finch first when I tested
[23:08] <crdlb> .service files are for autolaunching when a request is made
[23:08] <blizzkid> let me see if that's the issue
[23:08] <SnoFox> By the way, I have a question...
[23:09] <SnoFox> I never signed up for a LaunchPad account, so are my bug reports ignored even after the app says I've sent it in?
[23:10] <SCM|Lappy> Hello. After downloading the latest updating, during updating, it wants me to download the file  jdk-6u12-docs.zip from sun, however they only offer  jdk-6u10-docs.zip - how should I proceed?
[23:11] <SCM|Lappy> this is while configuring sun-java6-doc
[23:12] <blizzkid> crdlb: it seems to work indeed when finch is strated
[23:12] <SnoFox> Oh god damnit.
[23:13] <SnoFox> Maybe I seriously didn't have enough space somehow.
[23:13] <SnoFox> Everything reported I had plenty of space
[23:13] <SnoFox> But here on the Ibex LiveCD, the download was halted due to lack of space.
[23:14] <SnoFox> Is it downloading to my RAM or Swap?
[23:14] <crdlb> while on the livecd, you have a limited amount of space
[23:14]  * SnoFox headdesks.
[23:14] <SnoFox> Why didn't anyone tell me that before I took almost an hour to download the daily build? >.<
[23:15]  * SnoFox tries to resume the download to his USB key.
[23:20] <tretle> hmmmm.... The final deadline for artwork for jaunty is tomorow?
[23:20] <tretle> still no new wallpaper
[23:21] <genii> tretle: Probably they can't find any jackelopes to stand still long enough to draw inspiration from
[23:25] <tretle> lol
[23:25] <tretle> koala's will be a much easier subject to create non fugly art from :D lol
[23:26] <tretle> theres no way you can make a jackelope look nice :D
[23:26] <o0Chris0o> make it an evil one :D like on Americas Funniest Videos awhile back heh
[23:27] <nemo> tretle: heh. make it a "real" jackalope
[23:27] <nemo> you've heard about the hare/rabbit disease that makes jackalope-looking creatures?
[23:28] <tretle> yeah, saw some photos
[23:28] <tretle> horrible stuff
[23:28] <o0Chris0o> I wouldn't make a wallpaper with a jackalope tho, its too common to see themes like that, Id like to see something different :D
[23:29] <o0Chris0o> Tuz :D
[23:29] <tretle> I have a funny feeling it will be a giant 3d ubuntu logo
[23:29] <nemo> o0Chris0o: ubuntu needs to go back to its softcore porn theme
[23:29] <nemo> I liked that one
[23:29] <o0Chris0o> nemo: I honestly haven't seen that lol
[23:29] <o0Chris0o> but I'll pass :)
[23:30] <o0Chris0o> is the color scheme going to be that orangish color still?
[23:31] <nemo> o0Chris0o: you missed that whole controversy? :)
[23:31] <nemo> that was like in 2004 I think
[23:31] <nemo> I might still have the desktop background
[23:31] <o0Chris0o> yeah I wasn't doing linux then
[23:31] <nemo> it wasn't that bad. people are too uptight
[23:31] <nemo> it did lead to a hilarious demotivational poster
[23:32] <o0Chris0o> in all reality tho, most ppl wont stick to the default wallpaper or theme
[23:33] <nemo> o0Chris0o: yeah. I use an svg
[23:33] <nemo> with an embedded jpeg that I rotate every X minutes
[23:34] <nemo> o0Chris0o: http://m8y.org/images/sandy_1280_1024_stripped.svg
[23:34] <nemo> (have 1680x1050 too)
[23:34] <blizzkid> nemo: if you feel like creating one for 1024x600... ;-)
[23:35] <o0Chris0o> cool
[23:36] <nemo> blizzkid: not that hard to do in inkscape
[23:36] <blizzkid> nemo: my graphical skills are limited to xkcd-like drawing ;)
[23:37] <blizzkid> btw, you just set that svg as a background, and the inner image is rotated every x minutes?
[23:37] <nemo> $ crontab -l | grep rotateImage
[23:37] <nemo> 1 * * * * /home/nemo/bin/rotateImage
[23:37] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/rotateImage.txt
[23:37] <nemo> blizzkid: I currently have it set to one hour
[23:37] <nemo> my mom has a similar one on her desktop
[23:37] <nemo> she uses images like
[23:38] <nemo> 1815.jpeg
[23:38] <nemo> 'cause she likes rotating every few minutes
[23:38] <nemo> so on hers I call it * * * * *
[23:38]  * nemo grabs her script
[23:38] <nemo> (she's on Ibex)
[23:38] <nemo> I have another one that dumps system info into a small text area on an svg background, but that wasn't as much fun
[23:39] <nemo> blizzkid: http://m8y.org/tmp/rotateImage2.txt
[23:39] <nemo> hers
[23:40] <nemo> I could have fit that short a script into the cronjob directly I guess, but. meh.
[23:41] <blizzkid> it's pretty neat, but I'd have no idea how to make that svg, I mean how to place the random image inside the svg
[23:41] <nemo> was pretty easy in inkscape
[23:42] <nemo> blizzkid: if you like SVGs, you might find this one entertaining:
[23:42] <nemo> http://m8y.org/images/24h_clock_v2.2.svg
[23:42] <blizzkid> that's pretty neat indeed
[23:43]  * blizzkid imagines a random image inside that clock
[23:44] <cwillu> nemo, the time is wrong
[23:45] <blizzkid> cwillu: here it's right
[23:45] <cwillu> doesn't update
[23:45] <cwillu> it's wrong a second after you load it :p
[23:45] <tuxxy__> anyone had issues with compiz not starting at boot, I keep having to run compiz --replace and its getting a little tedious
[23:46] <dimitree> nope, but after that last update my DVB-S card dissapeared lol
[23:46] <cwillu> tuxxy__, appearances, turn off effects, and then turn them on again, should do it
[23:46] <cwillu> alternatively, check gconf-editor for metacity and replace the appropriate hit with compiz
[23:46] <nemo> cwillu: what do you mean doesn't update?
[23:46] <cwillu> nemo, not animated
[23:46] <nemo> blizzkid: I didn't write the clock. some other guy did - I just added the seconds hand
[23:46] <nemo> cwillu: what's your browser?
[23:47] <cwillu> what good is a clock that isn't animated?
[23:47] <cwillu> 3.1b4pre
[23:47] <nemo> it is animated
[23:47] <nemo> cwillu: do you use noscript?
[23:47] <cwillu> nope
[23:47] <nemo> WFM 3.6a
[23:47] <cwillu> oh, heh, I forgot I did that
[23:47] <nemo> and 3.5b
[23:47]  * nemo smacks cwillu
[23:47] <cwillu> nemo, I have settimeout and setinterval forced to a two minute minimum period :p
[23:48] <nemo> now that seems rather foolish
[23:48] <cwillu> so the clock will actually work too :)
[23:48] <cwillu> hardly
[23:48] <nemo> will break a ton of apps
[23:48] <cwillu> hasn't broken anything I've cared about yet
[23:48] <nemo> http://m8y.org/js/primes.xhtml  http://m8y.org/js/solitaire.xhtml  - both of these animations would fail
[23:48] <nemo> or any other animation
[23:48] <nemo> but. yes. most of time it won't matter
[23:48] <cwillu> and I'm sick of finding articles I want to read later, and later noticing that some site has a setinterval(10) set running constantly
[23:48] <nemo> of course, you might as well use NoScript then
[23:49] <cwillu> nah, noscript is just over the top
[23:49] <nemo> I use it.
[23:49] <cwillu> it's intrusive and annoying
[23:49] <nemo> naw
[23:49] <cwillu> yeah
[23:49] <dimitree> guys if i want to make sure that my DVB-S card is there where should i look in ? like in windows there is hardware manager is there such a thing in linux ? or any equivalent or something ?
[23:49] <nemo> you quickly whitelist the sites you visit regularly
[23:50] <nemo> cwillu: since you're using 3.5b - have you tried the <canvas> + <video> greenscreen demo?
[23:50] <cwillu> it doesn't offer the ability to see which scripts are doing what, and that's exactly what I need to decide what to unblock
[23:50] <nemo> I thought that was rather impressive
[23:50] <cwillu> nemo, link?
[23:50] <blizzkid> dimitree: not to be rude, but imho if you have to ask _that_ question, I'm not sure jaunty is right for you
[23:50] <cwillu> nemo, I've been running off of fta's repo for a long time now
[23:50] <nemo> cwillu: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Manipulating_video_using_canvas
[23:50] <blizzkid> I mean... jaunty is alpha
[23:51] <Hobbsee> dimitree: lspci, usually
[23:51] <nemo> cwillu: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html - this one is neat too, if rather old
[23:51] <cwillu> dimitree, lspci|grep <some text> might be useful
[23:51] <dimitree> thanks Hobbsee
[23:51] <Hobbsee> blizzkid: not *that* many people know about lspci - nor need to, for a development version
[23:51] <Hobbsee> blizzkid: otoh, there are plenty who don't seem to be able to read the output of apt still here :(
[23:51] <nemo> dimitree: there is also a graphical HW manager in both Gnome and KDE
[23:52] <blizzkid> Hobbsee: I disagree, but it's merely a personal opinion, hence the "imho", but why would one run alpha or beta if not comphy with the basics? (checking wheter your hardware is recognized, I consider to be basic knowledge)
[23:53] <cwillu> nemo, fancy
[23:57] <d1b> Hobbsee: you must recognise that lspci can also inform of the driver in use. it  is still not enough. like i know that my webcam is now in the the kernel as a modle but i'm missing v4libs or something (if i want to run the 2.6.28 kernels)
[23:58] <d1b> it would be nice to have a better gui utility
[23:58] <blizzkid> d1b: write one ;-) :-p
[23:58] <d1b> blizzkid: its too hard, and everything should just work automagically or we jump and down on blogs when it doesn't / irc
[23:59] <d1b> i think a grep of the ubuntu irc logs would be useful ^^
[23:59] <blizzkid> yeah, but otoh, I've tried linux first even before Ubuntu existed
[23:59] <blizzkid> now those were hard days