[12:53] <zxmpi> <_<  ...     >_> be care there's a monday out there just waiting to get you
[13:30] <m0nkey_> shhhh! it's sight is based on movement. if you stay perfectly still, it won't see you.
[13:31] <zxmpi> i hear it can smell fear...
[16:30] <daftykins> :D
[16:30] <daftykins> i thought i'd seen it all, then i saw my Uncle's church setup...
[16:31] <daftykins> imagine if you will, an upstairs room for distracting kids of church-goers - where in a cupboard with no movement of air, 2 ISP supplied routers sit, each on 60 Mb broadband services... then to one side, _4_ powerline adapters plugged into a power strip all in a row, the intent being for them to service 4 other locations point-to-point
[16:33] <zxmpi> toasty
[16:35] <daftykins> funny you say that, as the one length of network cable i saw tacked into the big cheese's office swung low into her room heater and was melted
[16:35] <zxmpi> plasticky whiff like a true network cabinet
[17:13] <MattJ> "4 powerline adapters plugged into a power strip all in a row" /o\
[17:20] <zxmpi> i think that makes it a packet strip :-)
[17:24] <daftykins> xD
[21:02] <zxmpi> bonus points if they later put in a network with poe so the network is for power and the power lines are for data. that'll confuse the pfy some point down the road :-)
[21:04] <daftykins> *zap*
[21:32]  * zxmpi licks cable... tastes like ipv6
[21:48] <daftykins> heh i wonder when our main ISP will ever adopt that
[21:48] <daftykins> honestly it's just a complication though from my point of view, so no concerns for now
[21:49] <zxmpi> i've always thought that phone company if smart could have sold a service to the home of a backup battery that would be trickle charged by phone network and give 2-3 days power for a light, radio and recharge a few phones
[21:50] <zxmpi> could be a nice little earner
[21:50] <zxmpi> especially for remote rural areas where power cuts can be regular in winter and last days or weeks
[21:56] <zxmpi> i see they made a laptop for ocd folk :-P https://boingboing.net/2021/09/10/laptop-with-an-ortholinear-keyboard.html
[22:24] <daftykins> crikey
[22:26] <zxmpi> might make it theft proof :-)
[22:27] <daftykins> a European with an AZERTY was trying to explain their pain of not having + and - keys on the number row, recently
[22:27] <zxmpi> but those laptops are usually a few quid cheaper. :-)
[22:28] <zxmpi> they're the dogs milk of laptops :-)


[07:32] <czajkowski> hmm
[10:46] <tdr112> morning
[10:46] <czajkowski> ello
[10:46] <czajkowski> hows things tdr112
[10:47] <tdr112> just up most of the night getting a project due in this morning
[10:48] <czajkowski> oh
[10:48] <czajkowski> all done ?|
[10:49] <tdr112> 95% of it done , its given in now 4 hours late
[10:49] <czajkowski> penalty ?
[10:51] <tdr112> no i could not do all of it
[10:51] <czajkowski> no is there a penalty for being late
[10:51] <tdr112> he never said ,
[12:11] <czajkowski> bah there goes the government
[12:12] <ebel> yep, election
[12:12] <ebel> you have to register to vote by thursday
[12:12] <czajkowski> alreayd registered in castleconnell
[12:12] <czajkowski> moved it when I left Dublin
[12:12]  * ebel is still registered in dún laoghaire.
[12:12] <ebel> though i'm in dublin north central.
[12:13] <ebel> Bertie's constituancy. Wonder will he re-run?
[12:14] <ebel> czajkowski: remember you can vote in UK General Elections aswell. All Irish people living in UK can.
[12:14] <czajkowski> nods
[12:14] <czajkowski> I'll try and get home for elections seeing as they are mid week and not at weekends
[12:16] <davem> czajkowski: register for a postal vote
[12:18] <ebel> davem: you can't do a postal vote
[12:18] <davem> oh, how come?
[12:18] <ebel> Unless you're a guard stationed outside the area, or a diplomat
[12:19] <ebel> but for joe soaps who won't be in the area at the time, you can't get it, I think.
[12:19] <ebel> I was outta the country for the last referendum (Lisbon II) and couldn't postal vote.
[13:32] <ShaneM> excuse my ignorance but what voting in on Thursday>?
[13:32] <davisc> Donegal by-election
[13:33] <ShaneM> Oh ok.
[13:37] <czajkowski> bit late in the day for it now
[13:42] <ebel> ShaneM: the donegal byelection is soon. However you should check you're on the register of electors soon
[13:45] <ShaneM> ebel: Yeah I'm registered.
[13:48] <davisc> Healy-Rae and Lowry have yanked their support
[13:49] <davisc> We may well have an election this year
[13:53] <ebel> If the gov can't pass the budget, it's the same as a vote of no confidence
[13:55] <davisc> Yup, since it's a money bill


[00:06] <chealer> someone suggested I try Clementine (in replacement of Amarok on version 19.04). I see graphics which remind me of GTK+, and the filesystem browser is awful (never saw that, I cannot see directories). is something wrong here?
[00:07] <chealer> in the filesystem browser's quick access strip at the left I see a "461" directory for /home/chealer/snap/clementine/461
[00:08] <chealer> hum, Synaptic shows clementine not installed.
[00:08] <starbladeice> can somebody help me? i'm trying to load a game (game runs perfectly fine in windows) but whenever it starts loading my system freezes up and i can't do anything. in iotop a whole bunch of processes show 99.99% IO when this happens. i'm new to Kubuntu so i don't know much.
[00:09] <chealer> wow, I went back to Discover and it offers me to install Clementine again. yet in the Installed section I see Clementine... is Discover that bad?
[00:13] <chealer_> I'm sorry, looks like I lost connection. I am back.
[00:15] <Greenfrog> we dont care if your black or not
[00:16] <Greenfrog> jk
[00:20] <Greenfrog> well, i guess i'm in an ucomment cloud
[00:32] <chealer> I installed the real package with Synaptic. that works properly.
[00:33] <Heavyarms__> very good
[06:06] <LINKSWORD2> Got an interesting question.... Is it possible to have a different workspace / wallpaper on the multiple desktops?
[06:08] <diogenes_> LINKSWORD2, since pclinuxos has it, i guess it's possible.
[06:10] <LINKSWORD2> Any way to do that on the current KDE/Plasma interface?
[06:16] <diogenes_> LINKSWORD2, have a look here but you doing it at your own risk: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325875
[06:19] <krytarik> Ugh, that's worse a suggestion than what I have just found via a quick web search.
[06:20] <krytarik> LINKSWORD2: I came across these two so far: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=141878 , https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/a0tkdr/different_wallpaper_for_each_workspace/
[06:22] <LINKSWORD2> Interesting.
[06:24] <LINKSWORD2> I'll have to look into it.
[06:38] <krytarik> diogenes_: I'd be curious which way PCLinuxOS manages to achieve that then.  I'd be willing to bet though not by switching out the entire default window manager. >_<
[06:39] <krytarik> (Can't tell from their website yet though.)
[06:40] <diogenes_> krytarik, no clue but i saw they had it set up.
[06:46] <krytarik> diogenes_: https://www.zdnet.com/article/recreating-the-pclinuxos-full-monty-with-kde-plasma-activities/ - apparently that's similarly a thing of the past though.
[06:46] <krytarik> So here the author picks the built-in alternative.
[06:48] <diogenes_> i see.
 If you want different wallpapers for each desktop maybe you should contact Nate Graham or anyone else from the KDE Visual Design Group so at least they know it
 Does the Kubuntu desktop give you a notification for when the the 19.04 upgrader is ready? Do I remember it happening for 18.10 or am I imagining it?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 @Anarchotaoist, @acheronuk said that it does not. But I suggested him that it may be possible in the future because KDE devs made some fixes regarding that (maybe it could be done through PackageKit)
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, ok, thanks. So, is the upgrader from 18.10 to 19.04 ready to go yet?
 @Anarchotaoist, It is ready. In kubuntu.org you can see how to upgrade in the latest news announcement
 Of course check if your PPAs support Disco if you use any
 If they don't just wait some weeks or upgrade now and keep that in mind
[12:48] <Alexfrench> hello all
[12:48] <Alexfrench> this upgrade is only possible from 18.10 to 19.04
 That's correct Alexfrench, if you use LTS first upgrade to 18.10
[12:50] <Alexfrench> yes that's i am in this case
 First do this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CosmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, Great! Thanks. nb I thought the new upgrade process had sorted out the ppa situation! ?? Should I just uncheck them?
 @Anarchotaoist, They are disabled automatically. I think the PPA situation is going to be improved in a future release but not sure when
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, I found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiscoUpgrades/Kubuntu
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, Cool
[12:54] <Alexfrench> great thanks
 @Anarchotaoist, The other one was for Alex that has to upgrade from LTS
 oh, sorry
[12:55] <Alexfrench> so you mean after upgrade to 18.10 i'll have to do the same for 19.04 ?
 And Alex, after upgrading to Cosmic do the Disco upgrade procedure. Also keep in mind PPAs
 Yes
[12:55] <Alexfrench> is it correct ?
 18.04>18.10>19.04
[12:56] <Alexfrench> ok
[12:56] <Alexfrench> how i do to add a ppa for official releases ?
 Can you describe in more detail, please?
[12:57] <Alexfrench> who ? me ?
 Yes
 @Alexfrench, This? In Plasma Discover, Under 'Settings', click the top right ≡ menu and select 'Software Sources' menu item; or … in Konsole run … sudo software-properties-qt … Under the Updates tab, set 'Normal Releases' in the Release Upgrade section.
[13:00] <Alexfrench> ok i note this
 PPAs are only for third party software not found in Ubuntu repos
[13:03] <BluesKaj> PPAs should be removed from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ before upgrading the OS
 BluesKaj that's not necessary since the Ubuntu upgrader takes care of that for you
 I already upgraded several times with PPAs enabled
 You just have to reenable them when they are available
[13:04] <BluesKaj> jorgetech_spacebiker, i don't take chances with ppas , they can break your system
[13:05] <BluesKaj> if you don't need them , remove them
 Depends on which ones you use. But you can also disable them just in case
[13:05] <Korrora> Blue,Blue thank God you are here !
[13:06] <Korrora> sorry jey guys :)
 I no longuer need Aegisub PPA for example since it is on repos now
 longer*
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hi Korrora
[13:07] <Korrora> hii,how are you?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> ok here , and you?
[13:09] <Korrora> finally have an ssd with multiboot :D and ready to beg you to help me about these background kde stuff thing :D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> what kde background stuff again, like kmail, kontact akonadi-server etc?
[13:14] <Korrora> i dont know can you tell me all useless stuff that i can disable,here some examples how i use OS in daily basis and mostly: İ firefox or opera to watch videos,movies etc,skype minmized all time and nothing else really :D
[13:15] <Korrora> and libre writer time to time,idk if this information is useful
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Korrora, how much RAM and which cpu ?
[13:16] <Korrora> my laptop has i5-4210u cpu with intel hd graphics and 4gb of ram,and 1gb swap file
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Korrora, then you probly don't need to remove anything aslong as you don't have too many apps open at the same time when using graphical apps like skype or watching movies
[13:18] <BluesKaj> or youtube etc
[13:18] <Korrora> for example now i have firefox 1 tab open with a vimeo video,skype minimised and libreoffice writer document,and htop shows 2.40gb memory usage with some swap but kysguard says 2.0gb
[13:18] <Korrora> when i open few tabs on firefox it starts to struggle
[13:20] <Alexfrench> this even on windows it does firefox is hungry i think
[13:21] <BluesKaj> that's the problem then, too many graphical apps open simultaneously
[13:21] <Korrora> the strange thing aabout windows 10 is i open lots of tabs in firefox but it handles well not struggle mostly,but in linux it starts to struggle way quicker and easier
[13:22] <BluesKaj> increasing your RAM to 8GB would be the best solution, if that's possible
[13:22] <Korrora> although i just realized yesterday i opened task manager and windows was eating 2.5gb ram with firefox two tabs and nothing else,buty strangely it still feels fresh idk how
[13:23] <Korrora> i just kicked hdd and grabbed an ssd, a ram upgrade is not possible for now unfortunately :(
[13:25] <BluesKaj> well then judicious use of grapgical apps is the recommended method, removingdefault apps won't help much unless you have file search like baloo running daemons
[13:25] <Korrora> 8gb ram was more expensive than my ssd when i checked last time,idk its funny or sad : D
[13:25] <Korrora> baloo_shall i disable it?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> if you don't use a daemon you can diable it in system settings>startup&shutdown>background services>startup services
[13:29] <BluesKaj> *disable
[13:31] <Korrora> idk if it breaks the system to disabling any ofthem because im a huge newbe on kde :D ican write what i have under that list if you want
[13:32] <Korrora> search folder updater?is it important?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> it takes some experimentation , you can always re-enable if things don't run correctly
[13:34] <Korrora> i will try baloo then :D
[13:35] <Korrora> 2.45 to 2.42 :/ damn you expensive country  :D
[13:35] <Korrora> thank you Blue like you said i will make some experiments on them then :)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> I never used folder updater
[13:36] <Korrora> 2.29 after search folder updater killed :D yay!
 From my own experience Kubuntu can run very good even on Core 2 Duo setups with GMA graphics. Celerons (even recent ones) are worse but that's Intel's fault
[13:39] <Korrora> my kde experince is also good after gnome definitely but because of limited hardware i just cant feel snappy :/
[13:39] <BluesKaj> celerons are not linux friendly
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Korrora, baloo is in system settings>workspace>search
[13:45] <Korrora> i disabled all search stuff in there okay
[13:46] <Korrora> btw why htop and kysguard show different numbers about ram usage?which one is reliable?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> not sure why that is, never really used htop much , ksysguard is my reference mostly
 BluesKaj: Celerons are not user friendly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> linux friendly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> not
[13:50] <Korrora> is m3-7Y30 ?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> jorgetech_spacebiker, that's been my experience
[13:52] <BluesKaj> no Korrora you have an i5 , that's a decent cpu in general
[13:55] <Korrora> i just have an option if i sell this an buy a m3 laptop with soldered 8gbram :D i should ask :)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Korrora, do you have an extra slot for RAM on yoiur laptop?
[13:56] <Alexfrench> it sad a few laptop are built upgradables
[13:57] <Alexfrench> even if there are changes a couple of years
[13:58] <Alexfrench> mine hp dv7 died a few weeks ago and all was fixed
[13:58] <Alexfrench> but it was a 10 years laptop old
[13:59] <Korrora> yes i do have 2 slots Blue
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Korrora, then you could buy a compataible 4GB RAM module to add to your laptop, that would be a cheaper option than buying 8GB
[14:26] <Korrora> 4gb, i will check okay
[14:29] <Korrora> how can i check my ram specs on kde? like So-dimm ddr3l or ddr3 etc?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes, check your laptop specs for the correct RAM module
[14:32] <phill> hey guys, I develop in python wiht Pyqt5. I installed kubuntu 18.10 the other day, but it seems like QFileDialog isnt working. https://bin.snyman.info/mmmbc359
 @Anarchotaoist, Imagining it.
[14:34] <Korrora> dmidecode  says sodim ddr3 1600 samsung, found it :D
[14:34] <Korrora> so same brand wouldnt make a trouble
 to check memory  run this: sudo lshw | grep -A 20 memory:1
 or sudo lshw | grep -A 20 memory:0
[14:37] <Korrora> i did thank you :)
[14:37] <Korrora> am i talking to a bot or is it a human being? damn im so newbie to everything :D
 I am using telegram with a bridge
 the bride is referenced by the IRC bot (<ircsomebot>) on traditional IRC clients.
[14:43] <phill> seems it works with the pyqt5 installed with apt, but not in a venv with pip
[14:45] <Korrora> ohh sorry Darin and thank you :D and Blue i owe you a HUGE thank you :)
 @phill, What do you mean by "venv",  your posted code runs fine from a jupyter notebook.
[14:48] <phill> IrcsomeBot: python virtual environment.
[14:48] <Korrora> see you all guys later, iwish you all have a nice day
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Korrora, same to you :-)
[17:19] <osxyer> hi all
[17:19] <osxyer> im new to kubuntgu
 @osxyer welcome!
[18:35] <DarkSmoke> Hello
[18:36] <DarkSmoke> I'm trying to use the middle mouse button click as a shortcut to activate the desktop cube, but for some reason it's not accepted(nothing happens when I try to set it as a shortcut).  The middle mouse button does work for other things like scrolling and copy/paste.
[18:37] <DarkSmoke> Is there any way/possibility to set it so? I remember in the past I used to use it, don't know if it was with KDE's cube or Compiz though..
 DarkSmoke, middle click cube was a compiz feature.  I too used to use the feature with compiz, but unfortuneaately it currently not possible in kde.
[22:06] <DarkSmoke> IrcsomeBot: thank you and sorry for the later reply. Any suggestions of a comfortable shortcut for activating the cube? :)
[22:28] <janisruncs> how to install wifi driver for broadcom wifi adapter?
[22:30] <Greenfrog> what distro and version are you using?
[22:36] <janisruncs> latest kubuntu 64bit
 DarkSmoke, since I am right handed use a right handed mouse, I recommend a single left handed key combo. Using something with meta and  C key allows for Mnemonic reference   Since I already use meta+c for compositing, I recommend something like ctrl-meta-c .....
[22:37] <janisruncs> disco dingo 19.04
 correct latest Kubuntu is 64bit only...
 To install Broadcom wireless drivers , you will probably need LAN connection (unless you us another PC to download the packages).  Refernce this site for instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
[22:49] <janisruncs> alredy red this page but does not work
 Did Kubuntu auto install any drivers? I have seen the hw detetction instal the wrong driver and thus requiring a purge and installation of the correct driver.
 Also, is your BIOS in UEFI mode?  You man need to switch to legacy. Fighting  UEFI and driver install is not any fun.
 @DarkSmoke, I forgot to mention, you can configure desktop switching by scrolling the middle mouse over an open desktop area.  Not quite the same as middle click swtich mode, but similar.  Right click on desktop, Configure Desktop, Mouse action. Set Vertical scroll to Switch Desktop.


[02:29] <callmepk> Good morning
[02:29] <jamesh> Hi callmepk
[02:35] <callmepk> Hi jamesh
[04:00] <jibel> morning all
[04:04] <callmepk> Morning jibel
[04:06] <jibel> Hi callmepk
[05:27] <duflu> Morning all
[05:27] <duflu> For some :)
[05:27] <duflu> tjaalton, do you reckon Won't Fix is right for bug 1867668 ?
[05:27] <duflu> If that's really the case I feel we should move toward not shipping the package
[05:51] <tjaalton> duflu: right..
[05:52] <tjaalton> it's not getting better
[06:02]  * duflu shrugs and goes to his flu shot appointment
[06:16] <tjaalton> actually, it's still needed on the oldest 64bit-capable hw, and they don't use iris so there's no corruption either
[06:19] <amurray> duflu: apologies for hijacking this but I also have the same Intel UHD 670 chipset as in that bug above, and I have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed - but I am not seeing any weird artifacts - should I also think about uninstalling that? what driver should it be using instead?
[06:28] <didrocks> good morning
[06:28] <tjaalton> amurray: you need to manually configure xorg.conf to use it
[06:42] <jibel> salut didrocks
[06:44] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va ?
[06:45] <amurray> tjaalton: oh so if I haven't manually configured xorg to use it, it won't be used so no worries?
[06:45] <tjaalton> right
[06:45] <jibel> didrocks, bien et toi?
[06:45] <tjaalton> modesetting_drv.so is the default where it can be used
[06:46] <didrocks> jibel: ça va
[06:47] <jibel> :)
[06:47] <jibel> cool
[07:06] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:08] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[07:08] <jibel> bonjour seb128
[07:10] <seb128> lut didrocks, jibel, en forme ?
[07:10] <seb128> ici ça va!
[07:11] <jibel> ben oui, en forme.
[07:12] <didrocks> ça va
[07:20] <duflu> amurray, yeah your Xorg log will show which one with several messages either from "intel" or "modeset"
[07:20] <duflu> Morning didrocks, jibel, seb128
[07:21] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:42] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:47] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:53] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, marcustomlinson
[07:56] <duflu> Hey marcustomlinson
[08:01] <seb128> hey oSoMoN  duflu
[08:02] <Laney> hi!
[08:04] <duflu> Hi Laney!
[08:09] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, marcustomlinson, hey Laney
[08:10]  * Laney studies the salut/hey divide there
[08:10] <Laney> moin duflu & didrocks
[08:13] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:25] <Laney> yo ho seb128
[08:26] <Laney> i'm good!
[08:26] <Laney> we did some online quizzes with friends last night where each of us created a round and then the others answered it
[08:26] <Laney> lockdown fun
[08:26] <Laney> you?
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, sorry, was afaik for a bit, things are going well here but it's getting a bit borring. The online quizzes do sound fun :)
[09:38] <seb128> shrug, I wish we had logs for build retries
[09:38] <Laney> desktop team quiz? ;-)
[09:38] <seb128> haha, we should!
[09:38] <seb128> someone has been retrying nautilus/groovy on all archs 6 times since yesterday
[09:38] <Laney> :/
[09:39] <seb128> it's not going to automagically fix itself
[09:40] <seb128> duflu, bug #1875243 sounds like a downstream issue to me, I don't think upstream has a way to declare runtime depends?
[09:41] <duflu> seb128, I think the problem originates upstream and it would involve us changing upstream code. But yeah I expect upstream developers won't like it and will ask we only do it downstream
[09:42] <duflu> Worth a try though
[09:42] <duflu> The G-APIs for opening schemas will crash by default when not available. I remember getting a tip from Marco a couple of years ago about how to avoid that
[09:43] <seb128> I can tell you how this one is going to go :p
[09:43] <duflu> seb128, well it's worth a try. The upstream guys are not always predictable
[09:43] <seb128> They are going to give a reply that GNOME is a coherent set and that they don't care about people trying to use g-c-c outside of a GNOME desktop
[09:44] <duflu> Yeah, as I said. But if we just propose a tiny fix that avoids crashing then maybe.
[09:44] <duflu> If nothing else it's the same fix whether we propose it upstream or avoid the discussion and patch it
[09:45] <Laney> It's not a patch, it is a package dependency
[09:46] <duflu> Laney the bug is a crash. It's "unexpressed" because it's not a package dependency
[09:46] <seb128> you could make g-c-c resilient to the missing schemas but https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/736#note_768912 is a recent statement of what upstream think about handling !GNOME use
[09:46] <duflu> Yeah, I guess they are predictable sometimes
[09:46] <seb128> 'Don't you think there are enough bugs to deal with to stop bothering with bug reports caused by folks that think that GNOME is a bag of bits from which they can pick?'
[09:47] <seb128> I expect you to get that reply as well
[09:47] <seb128> oh well, no point arguing more here
[09:47] <Laney> btw the org.gnome.mutter requirement is because of the fractional scaling patch
[09:47] <duflu> I think we've already committed more time to the discussion than the bug is worth
[09:47] <seb128> right
[09:47] <duflu> Laney, interesting then
[09:48] <seb128> Laney, that rules out the need to upstream :)
[09:48] <Laney> but the fix is the same: if you require a schema, depend on its provider
[09:49] <duflu> We don't require it. We just use it if available
[09:50] <duflu> Crashing is a poor design choice
[09:50] <duflu> as would be a dependency
[09:50] <seb128> I argued that 10 years ago when gsettings was added, but that argument is over for long now
[09:50] <seb128> no point having it again
[09:50] <duflu> Ok
[09:51] <duflu> Anyway, it was just one of a couple hundred bugs I had to catch up on. Now done. Let's see if I can catch up on MR discussions today too
[09:52] <seb128> duflu, up to you how you handle bugs but I'm going to suggest again than you don't bother re-triaging bugs other already dealt with
[09:52] <seb128> it's just not worth the effort
[09:52] <duflu> I only make changes when something is missing or wrong
[09:53] <seb128> right, when I use stock reply for crashers asking to submit them with apport and set invalid you come behind and change it back to incomplete
[09:53] <seb128> I just find that counter-productive
[09:53] <duflu> seb128, that's because it is Incomplete, not Invalid
[09:53] <seb128> it's marked invalid because submitting with ubuntu-bug will open a new report
[09:54] <seb128> and I'm not going to bother dealing with crashers without a stacktrace and submitted without the tools
[09:54] <seb128> we get those through e.u.c anyway
[09:55] <seb128> anyway, as said it's your choice at the end, it just make us waste time on each side for bugs that are not worth it
[09:55] <seb128> important segfault issues do bubble up by other means than having to pull infos from a poorly submitted report
[09:55] <seb128> at least that's my opinion
[09:56] <duflu> Sorry was AFK...
[09:56] <seb128> no worry, I don't think it's worth us entering an argument anyway
[09:56] <duflu> seb128, good point. I am the author of that stock reply and hadn't thought of it that way. I guess I only use Invalid when I expect the discussion is over. However when I use that reply generally the discussion has some way to go as the user finds the missing info
[09:57] <seb128> at a minimum we should change the stock reply then
[09:57] <seb128> 1. Look in /var/crash for crash files and if found run:
[09:57] <seb128>     ubuntu-bug YOURFILE.crash
[09:57] <seb128> Then tell us the ID of the newly-created bug.
[09:57] <seb128>
[09:57] <seb128> should be 'mark the bug as duplicate of the new report'
[09:58] <duflu> seb128, yeah go nuts...
[09:58] <seb128> :-)
[09:58] <duflu> feel free
[09:58] <seb128> anyway, i'm going to keep closing those invalid for the reason I stated
[09:58] <duflu> OK
[09:58] <seb128> but I'm not going to fight over status, if you come after and set as incomplete I let them this way
[09:59] <seb128> I just think we have better use of our time, as said important issue will get other & proper reports
[09:59] <seb128> if a bug is reported only once, even if it's a valid problem we just don't have the resources to deal with uncommon problems at this point
[09:59] <duflu> Yes, Invalid and Invalid because Incomplete are kind of the same
[10:01] <duflu> Beware of calling them "uncommon problems" though. Plenty of times the users come through with a new bug report or a bug link and it turns out to be a duplicate of a common issue
[10:02] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[10:02] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[10:04] <seb128> duflu, right, which means the issue is already reported and usually already has a debug stacktrace so we don't get value from spending time on the poor quality new report
[10:05] <seb128> which was exactly my point
[10:06] <duflu> seb128, it is useful because directing people to all share the same bug is the only way we can measure the duplicate count. Particularly important when the errors bug link isn't yet known
[10:07] <duflu> And that contributes to the bug heat to give us more accurate stats about what's hot
[10:08] <seb128> I agree with the sentiment, the problem is that launchpad is busy enough that keeping it clean could use half of the team resources
[10:08] <seb128> we just don't have the manpower to do a perfect job of it
[10:09] <duflu> I actually subscribe to fewer packages than you, so it's a smaller job from my side :)
[10:09] <seb128> I guess we slightly disagree on where we should put the cursor / how much energy we should spent on triaging and what value we get back from it
[10:09] <duflu> It's extremely important. More important than actually fixing bugs. Because you need to fix the right thing before fixing the thing right
[10:10] <seb128> I think we have a view of what needs fixing atm
[10:10] <seb128> like the nvidia scaling / screen rotation problem
[10:11] <seb128> if we dry up the release targets then we need to refine our view of what is needed next indeed
[10:12] <duflu> A full time project manager would help for sure. But most weeks are not as busy as this week so I wouldn't gauge it by this week. Just get through it
[10:13] <seb128> right
[10:48] <duflu> seb128, I am all caught up with upstreams now, except for unfinished lower priority upstream work. I expect to get back to Nvidia tomorrow. It was hard last week -- I only had a 2 day week
[10:50] <duflu> where our weeks start on Tuesdays
[10:50] <duflu> Anyway, good night
[12:31] <Laney> kenvandine: did you see the image failure i fwded to you yesterday?
[12:35] <kenvandine> Laney: i did not
[12:35] <kenvandine> Laney: where?
[12:37] <Laney> oh wait there's this stupid problem where you don't get my emails isn't there
[12:37] <kenvandine> Laney: ugh... that's still a problem?
[12:37] <Laney> kenvandine: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/bionic/ubuntu/
[12:37] <kenvandine> sigh
[12:37] <Laney> guess so
[12:37] <kenvandine> so weird
[12:38] <Laney> lemme send a test, tell me if you get it
[12:38] <kenvandine> - cannot use snap "gnome-calculator": default provider "gnome-3-34-1804" is missing
[12:38] <Laney> done
[12:38] <kenvandine> oh... we need gnome-3-34-1804 for 18.04
[12:39] <kenvandine> i got your test email
[12:40] <kenvandine> Laney: would it be enough to open the ubuntu-18.04 channel for gnome-3-34-1804?  Or do we need to update the seed to add that?
[12:40] <Laney> what's seeded now and what changed?
[12:41] <kenvandine> gnome-calculator uses a different platform snap now
[12:41] <kenvandine> it went from gnome-3-28-1804 to gnome-3-34-1804
[12:42] <Laney> ah
[12:42] <Laney> probably need to seed it
[12:42] <Laney> is that desirable?
[12:43] <kenvandine> it means i should update the other snaps seeded in 18.04 to use the same platform
[12:43] <Laney> two platform snaps on bionic then
[12:43] <kenvandine> so we don't end up with both
[12:43] <Laney> indeed
[12:43] <kenvandine> let me do that today/tonight?
[12:43] <kenvandine> or is this blocking anything important
[12:44] <Laney> just daily bionic builds afaik
[12:45] <kenvandine> ok, i'll work on updating those today
[12:45] <kenvandine> but need some testing too so the builds might be broken tonight too
[12:45] <kenvandine> but i'll get them all fixed asap
[12:48] <Laney> great cheers
[14:24] <hellsworth>  good morning desktopers
[14:29] <didrocks> hey hey hellsworth
[14:29] <hellsworth> hi there didrocks
[15:10] <jibel> bonjour hellsworth
[15:10] <hellsworth> bonjour!
[15:57] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, kenvandine: could someone please launch some autopkgtests for me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cT4CvtfTQJ/
[15:57] <hellsworth> please and thank you
[15:58] <seb128> jbicha, it's a bit of a waste to do a gnome-shell SRU for a recommends change :/ we could have coordinated to include other fixes or waiting for .2, I'm probably going to block that one in proposed until we have another upload, no point hitting users and servers twice
[16:02] <kenvandine> hellsworth: sure
[16:02] <hellsworth> thanks kenvandine
[16:03] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: done
[16:04] <hellsworth> ha! now they're running twice i guess
[16:04] <kenvandine> i haven't started yet :)
[16:04] <kenvandine> whew
[16:04] <hellsworth> whew
[16:04] <hellsworth> thanks marcustomlinson :)
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> :)
[18:01] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: i just got the nifty "Chromium has been updated" notification.  Love it!
[18:10] <kenvandine> Laney: i just found your email from  yesterday in my spam
[18:10] <kenvandine> shady character
[19:07] <Laney> kenvandine: fix that build failure, and also give me your bank details
[19:13] <kenvandine> Laney: what do i have to lose!
[19:16] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, glad it works as intended! it's only a stop-gap measure though, not a proper solution to the problem
[19:19] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: yeah, eventually we'll have a user service running that will prompt and even let you trigger a restart of the app
[19:33] <ahayzen> kenvandine, assume you have seen the portal / flatpak work for this https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2019/12/19/9100/  I think they were even considering putting parts of that code within gtk at one point so all apps would automagically get it, but not sure what happened to that.  Could be interesting if snap could use a similar / same portal.
[19:45] <kenvandine> ahayzen: yeah
[19:45] <kenvandine> we should start working on it soon, not sure what all pieces we'll be using to put it together
[19:50] <ahayzen> kenvandine, right, guess it also depends if you want a dialog provided by the system for all apps, or if you want an API that apps can opt into and provide their own dialogs etc
[21:55] <diddledan> not an Ubuntu Desktop question, but I'm having trouble with GTK and GStreamer (on Wayland - haven't logged out to test X11 yet).. I add a GtkGLSink Gstreamer widget to a GtkViewport in python and then try to remove it some time later. The attempt to remove immediately segfaults my app :-( after printing `(gui.py:3048628): Gdk-WARNING **:
[21:55] <diddledan> 22:37:08.114: eglMakeCurrent failed`
[21:55] <diddledan> I'm flummoxed to explain what's going on or how to fix it. advice would be helpful :-)


[00:12] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I saw the look backs yesterday I have not looked yet today, I had to leave again for a few minutes but the look backs are not what we want and the other stuff I saw yesterday was not either
[00:13] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ny thought too . My focus in on what is current and of general interest.
[00:14] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, did you get liferea installed and the script imported to it so you can find links to add?
[00:15] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, will please please post links to the guide on the wiki pages that guides us like for writing summaries please?
[00:16] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit ?? this one ?
[00:22] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that is a good one but I was thinking mainly of the one that says how many lines a summary should be
[00:22] <mIk3_08> Hi Wild_Man. billy already guided me in creating the summary... But still, I wasn't able to install the liferea.
[00:22] <Wild_Man> There is this one they only keep the pics 90 days after they were last viewed so the links get reused and some people reporting inappropriate pictures showing up
[00:22] <Wild_Man> Hi mIk3_08
[00:22] <Wild_Man> Did you get an error when you tried to install it?
[00:23] <mIk3_08> Wild_Man no. I wasn't able to try it.
[00:24] <mIk3_08> i mean, I wasn't able to try to install it
[00:24] <mIk3_08> i lost the links
[00:24] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, when you get time install it then follow my directions from last night for getting the script and importing it
[00:25] <Wild_Man> liferea is in the repository
[00:26] <mIk3_08> http://paste.openstack.org/show/SAkABvXll3M67cizwpTa/ is the link that you've given to me?
[00:26] <Wild_Man> the script is http://paste.openstack.org/show/SAkABvXll3M67cizwpTa/
[00:27] <Wild_Man> Yes
[00:27] <mIk3_08> Okay Thanks. Wild_Man
[00:31] <Wild_Man> Looks like the script is also here https://code.launchpad.net/uwn
[00:39] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Things like this especially since there is no date of when this might happen in 2019 really is of no value to us correct? I am sure that is the case but just checking since I have not done much lately, this is the kind of thing I tweet about from the forum and FB account but I do not think it is news worthy
[00:46] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Agreed. Promiscuous stuff I have no interest in promulgamating :P
[00:47] <Wild_Man> Just wanted to confirm that we are are the same page
[00:47] <mIk3_08> Wild_Man: I already install the liferea and imported the feedlist.opml
[00:48] <Bashing-om> :D
[01:00] <Wild_Man> mIk3_08, I see that, it looks like you are doing it right but the image would not enlarge for me to see it good
[01:02] <Wild_Man> if you look at the gdoc and look for like insights you will also see that on the left side of liferea and for each section in the gdoc you can look in liferea to see if there is any new news
[01:03] <Wild_Man> pay close attention to the dates of the articles and the dates at the top of the gdoc that shows what days we are covering this week
[01:03] <Wild_Man> I am going to fix my wife some food and eat myself, biab
[01:05] <mIk3_08> Okay Wild_Man. Thanks for the advice.
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[10:13] <Pygi> hi hi
[10:14] <fabbione> hey pi
[10:14] <Pygi> o, I've got a new nick :)
[10:17] <Pygi> I see you got ubuntu bot in here
[10:20] <troy> good day folks
[10:20] <Pygi> night' troy :)
[10:20] <fabbione> no bot
[10:20] <fabbione> it's just a irc log
[10:21] <Pygi> ah
[10:21] <fabbione> logs are on people.u.c/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:21] <fabbione> the first will appear in about 20 minutes or so
[10:26] <troy> fabbione: I've been meaning to mention this: I originally intended this channel to be a general discussion and support channel for server topics
[10:26] <fabbione> troy: discussion ok .. support -> #ubuntu
[10:26] <troy> why?
[10:27] <fabbione> otherwise we can say goodbye to this channel for too much noise in a day or two
[10:27] <fabbione> because the "server" software is the same that's in the archive
[10:27] <fabbione> and support can be done on #ubuntu
[10:27] <fabbione> there is no difference from any other package
[10:27] <fabbione> they are just package
[10:27] <fabbione> +s
[10:28] <troy> I didn't really intend to become a devel channel - was thinking along the lines of #ubuntu is to #ubuntu-devel as #ubuntu-server is to #ubuntu-server-devel or somesuch -- it's pretty much standard in most freenode projects
[10:28] <troy> #kubuntu gets it's own support channel
[10:28] <fabbione> nah
[10:29] <fabbione> trust me.. too many channels.. too much confusion
[10:29] <fabbione> let's keep the resources to run a project to minimum
[10:29] <fabbione> if we need to scale
[10:29] <fabbione> we can
[10:29] <fabbione> that's the important thing
[10:29] <fabbione> but spreading too few people on too many channels (irc, mailing lists, etc)
[10:29] <troy> I'm a big fan of dedicated channels for topics as the need arises
[10:30] <fabbione> it's not productive imho
[10:30] <fabbione> troy: that's why we can start we a minimum and scale if required
[10:30] <fabbione> we also need to keep s/n ratio at a good rate
[10:30] <troy> when #kde became too full in ... 1999 maybe, they split into #kde and #kde-devel
[10:30] <troy> the same should happen here
[10:30] <fabbione> exactly
[10:30] <fabbione> if we will have too much traffic we will split
[10:31] <troy> at the moment, we can do support in this channel without serious SNR problems
[10:31] <fabbione> as it is now let's keep it mainly for devel
[10:31] <fabbione> troy: we already saw 2/3 users coming here asking for general support
[10:31] <fabbione> like: my nmap doesn't map
[10:31] <fabbione> that's clearly not -server related
[10:31] <fabbione> it will be difficult to tell people #ubuntu for this.. -server for that
[10:32] <fabbione> IF there will be a need for a dedicate server support channel
[10:32] <troy> fabbione: of course there will be overlap, just as there is between #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[10:32] <fabbione> we will move development on -server-dev
[10:32] <fabbione> and keep this one open for support
[10:32] <troy> in the meantime, lets not shun people coming in here for support
[10:33] <troy> because if I was looking for support for configuring apache, the SNR regarding desktop issues in #ubuntu would turn me away
[10:33] <troy> and the people in here would be much more likely to pick up the question (less noise)
[10:33] <fabbione> yes i agree, but here nobody has time to do support
[10:33] <fabbione> at least i don't
[10:34] <fabbione> and considering the amount of people in here
[10:34] <fabbione> it's morelikely he can get an answer on #ubuntu than here
[10:34] <troy> like 6 of which are active, yes. but this channel is all of... 3 weeks old?
[10:36] <troy> fabbione: are you sponsored by anyone to do linux work?
[10:36] <fabbione> troy: i work for Canonical
[10:36] <fabbione> <-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:37] <troy> fabbione: I understand your stance now - I'm not used to having paid people having to budget their time in IRC channels
[10:37] <fabbione> troy: ehhe
[10:37] <troy> that said, I'd like to provide community support here when it's appropriate, and when I can
[10:38] <fabbione> troy: i am not against it
[10:38] <fabbione> don't get me wrong
[10:39] <fabbione> i don't want this chan to turn into #ubuntu2
[10:39] <troy> but you are thinking about providing support in a more official capacity, which requires more people covering more time than the non-obligation varieties of community support
[10:39] <troy> ahhh, not a literal :)
[10:39] <fabbione> #ubuntu2 -> yet another #ubuntu support channel
[10:39] <troy> right right
[10:40] <fabbione> troy: exactly.. that's why #ubuntu is somehow more appropriate.. because given the S/N ratio. it still has tons of more users that can actually help
[10:40] <fabbione> i can't be on IRC 24/7
[10:40] <fabbione> neither can you
[10:40] <fabbione> or others
[10:41] <troy> no, but we are not obligated to be
[10:41] <fabbione> no
[10:41] <fabbione> we are not
[10:41] <troy> I put in the topic: for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels
[10:41] <fabbione> but if you turn the chan in support, people will be disappointed because it's still a bit too empty ;)
[10:41] <troy> that's the way I see it
[10:41] <troy> meh, it'll grow
[10:41] <fabbione> yeah it will
[10:42] <fabbione> as soon as i can announce the overall
[10:42] <fabbione> that's all stalled on the only list admin that unfortunatly is without inet connectivity atm
[10:42] <troy> I posted a note about it on ubuntuforums, and two or three people showed up from there
[10:43] <troy> that was maybe... a week ago or so -- also, added it to wiki list of channels
[10:44] <troy> at that point I was operating on the advice of JRiddel (I wonder if I spelled his nick right)
[10:47] <fabbione> riddel yeah :)
[10:47] <fabbione> that's ok
[10:51] <fabbione> good night guys
[10:51] <fabbione> cya tomorrow
[10:52] <troy> cheers fabbione


[04:56] <zequence> cub: I will add this to the rules later. IF something is only video, it also needs the Video category
[04:56] <zequence> If something is only audio, it also needs the Audio Category
[04:57] <zequence> Both always have to have at least AudioVideo
[04:58] <zequence> both kdenlive and kino seem like they are only Video, right?
[06:33] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think they should be video tagged, but kdenlive at least is one of the many video programs that have AudioVideo, but not Video.
[08:48] <cub> zequence: about kdenlive and kino they can both play and edit audio as part of the editing so both already were categorized as AudioVideo;AudioVideoEditing. In that case I'm wondering if it would be necessary to add Video or not
[08:49] <cub> Now, you would probably not start kdenlive to edit your recorded music, but it would be possible. However, to tweak audio for a video I do all editing in kdenlive instead of preparing the audio beforehand
[08:51] <cub> I can't really think of any application that would have only Video. Almost all videos have sound. All players can play sound as well as show the video.