[01:52] <k-milogars> hello
[03:09] <andresmujica> dholbach: ping
[03:10] <andresmujica> hmm his not here..
[03:10] <persia> Try again in about three hours.
[03:10] <andresmujica> anyone knows if the 5-a-day is out of the repos?
[03:10] <persia> It's early there yet.
[03:10] <andresmujica> yepp. you're right that's the other side of the world :)
[03:14] <andresmujica> ohh, nop my mistake it's still there..
[03:20] <jbuncher> is there anyone in here that can help me "Confirm" a bug I reported on launchpad, where intel wireless seems unable to connect to hidden SSID on hardy kernel 2.6.24-23? (2.6.24-22 is fine)
[03:30] <jbuncher> Here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327431
[03:32] <vocx> jbuncher, how do you produce those formated strings with Problem type, Architecture, etc. in the bug report?
[03:35] <jbuncher> you mean the stuff at the bottom of the bugreport?  I ran "ubuntu-bug -p linux".  I assume the -p stands for "package" and "linux" tells it what package to file it under.  It then goes through apport or something and attaches that info at the end of the bugreport.
[03:35] <jbuncher> I found out about that through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[03:38] <jbuncher> vocx:  I don't suppose you have intel wireless and a wireless network you can not broadcast the ssid on with hardy kernel 2.6.24-23 in order to confirm the bug?
[03:39] <vocx> jbuncher, nope sorry.   But do you have a working TV card? Maybe you can help me
[03:39] <jbuncher> vocx:  yes, a PVR 150, but that's running *dapper*, so I don't think it's likely to be of help to anyone at this point :)
[03:40] <vocx> jbuncher, wow, you only use LTS releases?
[03:42] <jbuncher> vocx:  well, I just take a while to upgrade.  I was running gutsy for a long time on my laptop before upgrading to hardy (I use my laptop and desktop for research, so they *have* to work, so I do a lot of testing before undertaking the upgrade).  And as for dapper, that's running on a 700MHz Athlon with 384 MB of ram running myth, and I just dunno if it will be able to handle hardy :)
[03:44] <jbuncher> *loves you always*
[03:44] <vocx> jbuncher, at least install xawtv and tvtime, totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[03:44] <jbuncher>  god damn
[03:44] <jbuncher> well that was in the wrong window
[03:44] <vocx> ...
[03:44] <vocx> thanks I guess
[03:44] <jbuncher> lol
[03:44] <jbuncher> that was definitely intended for my pidgin window, not xchat
[03:45] <jbuncher> vocx:  You want me to install xawtv and tvtime on my dapper machine with the tv card?
[03:46] <vocx> I know xawtv is probably going disappear soon, but I still think it's good when you can't watch TV with anything else
[03:47] <jbuncher> ah, for if/when I upgrade
[03:47] <jbuncher> I think my plan is to wipe it and install mythbuntu, should be a bit lighter-weight than a full hardy install.
[03:48] <vocx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime/+bug/275275
[03:48] <jbuncher> that or buy some new (mid-low range) hardware once I don't have a car payment!
[03:49] <vocx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xawtv/+bug/319049
[03:52] <vocx> jbuncher, This one is probably the most serious, scroll to the bottom, it doesn't matter if you don't have fglrx, just follow my the instructions there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime/+bug/210132
[03:53] <lajjr> hello everyone.
[03:54] <thewrath> hey lajjr
[03:54] <jbuncher> vocx:  does this need to be run on the machine with the tv card?
[03:54] <lajjr> hi thewrath
[03:55] <thewrath> discussed in here is bugs for server and desktop?
[03:55] <vocx> jbuncher, yes
[03:55] <lajjr> good what bugs have come up yet?
[03:56] <lajjr> any eing talked about?
[03:56] <lajjr> eing=being
[03:56] <vocx> lajjr, do you have a working TV card?
[03:57] <lajjr> I have a tv card. and the code so far is only reversed engineered code.
[03:57] <thewrath> lajjr: not seen any yet
[03:58] <thewrath> will hopefully find some bugs soon
[03:58] <thewrath> i just joined the beta/alpha testing, etc
[03:58] <lajjr> yes it works but errors just have isolate them to make a stable package.
[03:58] <vocx> lajjr, mmm... what do you mean? Does it work or not? What chipset?
[03:59] <lajjr> hp ec680
[04:00] <vocx> jbuncher, you mentioned research, do you use latex, texlive? I'm using 8.10, and apparently some hyphenation patterns don't work.
[04:00] <lajjr> well it works with a error on select channel
[04:00] <thewrath> persia: the issue i talked to you about the wpa2 enterprise wireless is an issue USA wide
[04:01] <thewrath> well i sent that to someoen else but i thought i would mentiont hat in here
[04:01] <jbuncher> vocx:  yeah, I use latex and texlive.  I haven't had the chance to test a lot on 8.10 yet.  Do you have a link to a discussion of hte issue?
[04:02] <vocx> lajjr, try bugs #210132 #319049 #275275
[04:02] <persia> thewrath, I really don't know anything about wireless, wireless encryption schemes, or use of wireless in the US, and am really not the best person to address that.  Look for a bug in LP, or maybe someone else already knows about the bug, or maybe there's a workaround.
[04:02] <vocx> jbuncher, this is from debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS> let me get another link
[04:03] <thewrath> okay persia i meant to address that to the room
[04:03] <thewrath> i just copied what i sent you earlier
[04:03] <persia> No worries :)
[04:04] <thewrath> so persia  got to the first wiki site?
[04:04] <persia> type "/topic" and use the links there.
[04:04] <thewrath> yewa
[04:05] <thewrath> that is what i was using
[04:05] <thewrath> i just wnated to confirm it
[04:05] <jbuncher> vocx:  I get errors when trying to run tvtime on dapper, but they're not what you're looking for, it can't change the permissions on ~/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
[04:05] <jbuncher> thewrath:  what wireless issue are you talking about?
[04:06] <thewrath> 8.10 not connecting to wpa2 enterprise
[04:06] <thewrath> encrypted wireless networks
[04:07] <jbuncher> thewrath:  for all wireless chipsets?  is the ssid hidden?
[04:07] <thewrath> been told issue with network manager
[04:07] <thewrath> all chipsets and no the ssid is not hidden
[04:08] <jbuncher> thewrath:  ah ok.  I'm having an issue with hidden ssid wpa enterprise and intel chipsets on latest hardy kernel (-23).  -22 is fine so I don't hink this issue is network manager related.  I'm trying to find someone to help confirm the bug.
[04:08] <thewrath> ah
[04:09] <lajjr> vocx: I will look into those bugs to but my code is ripped from the exe for the driver.
[04:09] <thewrath> well jbuncher i am going to go to bed here soon so you going to be on tomorrow morning?
[04:09] <thewrath> i am in USA EST
[04:09] <thewrath> so i will be at work about 9am tomorrow
[04:10] <jbuncher> thewrath:  I should be, I'll try to get on after I take my car in.
[04:10] <thewrath> ah
[04:10] <thewrath> okay
[04:11] <vocx> lajjr, so you are really using a reverse-engineered driver? What's with that?
[04:11] <thewrath> just got my oil changed today then went on a 130 mile round trip ride lol
[04:11] <jbuncher> thewrath:  nice, I need to get a dent worked out that happened over christmas.
[04:13] <lajjr> yeah it works with my card I have. I can get the channel watch for awhile then when I switch it errors. I have to debug it.
[04:15] <vocx> jbuncher, here is a more clear description of the problem with hyphenation https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-base/+bug/240823
[04:15] <vocx> jbuncher, you may also try installing texlive-lang-spanish and using \usepackage[english,spanish]{babel}
[04:16] <vocx> jbuncher, at least hyphenations worked in 7.10, since I was using it a month ago, then I fresh installed this 8.10
[04:16] <jbuncher> vocx:  Thanks for the info, though I don't use languages other than english, so I might be spared having to deal with that bug.  Hopefully they fix it soon though.
[04:18] <vocx> jbuncher, it's very simple, you just have to install the language pack, use babel, and it will mark an error saying that it will default to english, no need to write a single word in the foreign language
[04:18] <jbuncher> ah ok
[04:24] <jbuncher> vocx:  On my hardy install, I don't get errors when using babel as you suggested.
[04:24] <jbuncher> vocx:  so it may be relegated to intrepid
[04:25] <vocx> jbuncher, yes, seems like a bug concerning Texlive2008 as described in the bug report
[04:28] <lajjr> is anyone on here an admin from ubuntu bug control??
[04:32]  * lajjr is going to kick some code around.
[06:31] <Laibsch> maxb: I think I understand now.    Which bug?
[07:36] <Ryan52> bug 330527
[07:37] <Ryan52> oh, lp figured it out for me.
[07:37] <Ryan52> (I think)
[07:38] <persia> You mean the "Remote Bug watches" portlet?
[07:38] <Ryan52> ya.
[07:38] <persia> Unfortunately, that doesn't show up in the "Fixed Elsewhere" search.
[07:39] <persia> So, the way that it's documented to do it is to use the "Also affects Project" button, and assign a bug to the gtsm project.
[07:39] <persia> Then, add your tracker URL to track that task.
[07:39] <Ryan52> I tried that...tho there's no gstm project.
[07:40] <persia> Well, you could register it: just note that it uses sourceforge for code and bugs.
[07:40] <Ryan52> o, ok, thanks.
[07:41] <persia> Personally, I liked the remote bug watches because they were easier, but it's nice to be able to start a new development cycle with a quick search for all the bugs already fixed somewhere else, and pull in the fixes.
[07:42] <Ryan52> okie doke. in this case upstream won't ever fix this bug, so it's fine :D
[07:42] <Ryan52> well, that's my assumption at least, but ya ;)
[07:42] <persia> Doesn't really matter: having the link works both ways.
[07:43] <persia> Because there's both tasks, if someone fixes it in Ubuntu, they are reminded to send the patch to the upstream bug as well.
[07:44] <Ryan52> ah, cool.
[11:43] <Elbrus> As I am in the process of adopting nedit in debian I am trying to figure out bug 309163. But I am no programmer, so what should I do (or learn) to be able to debug. I can not reproduce the bug.
[11:44] <Elbrus> Basically: what should I ask the reporter?
[14:16] <jeromeg> hello
[14:16] <jeromeg> I used to be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol
[14:16] <jeromeg> but my membership expired a few monthes ago
[14:16] <jeromeg> could someone add me again ?
[14:19] <pedro_> jeromeg: hey, what's your launchpad id?
[14:19] <jeromeg> pedro_: jerome-guelfucci
[14:19] <pedro_> jeromeg: looking, give me a min
[14:19] <jeromeg> thank you !
[14:24] <pedro_> jeromeg: done, enjoy ;-)
[14:24] <jeromeg> pedro_: thanks a lot
[14:24] <pedro_> you're welcome, thanks for helping
[14:25]  * jeromeg will be able to set bugs as triged again :)
[14:25] <jeromeg> *triaged
[14:44] <bddebian> Boo
[14:47] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: mooo
[14:49] <bddebian> :)
[14:59] <thewrath> jbuncher: you there
[14:59] <jbuncher> thewrath:  Yes, but I have to head out for about an hour.
[15:01] <thewrath> oh ok
[15:01] <thewrath> you still having issues?
[15:01] <thewrath> with hidden SSIDs?
[15:01] <jbuncher> thewrath: yes, with intel wireless, wpa enterprise, and 2.6.24-23
[15:02] <jbuncher> I'm going to try to hide the ssid on my home router today to see if the problem exists with wpa personal
[15:58] <jbuncher> thewrath:  Back
[16:00] <BUGabundo> BOO
[16:35] <jbuncher> thewrath: hmm, it seems that I can access hidden ssid wpa-psk networks, but not hidden ssid wpa enterprise networks
[16:38] <jbuncher> is there anyone in here that can help me "Confirm" a bug I reported on launchpad, where intel wireless seems unable to connect to hidden SSID on hardy kernel 2.6.24-23? (2.6.24-22 is fine)
[16:38] <jbuncher> Here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327431
[19:23] <Laibsch> maxb: I reworked your script a bit, it encompasses all steps now and can work both with local and remote dsc files: http://rafb.net/p/FUuRLK76.html
[19:31] <Laibsch> http://ubuntu.csie.ntu.edu.tw is listed as a mirror in Asia, yet it does not even have a DNS entry.  Who is the person to inform?
[19:37] <Laibsch>  http://apt.nc.hcc.edu.tw seems to have problems, too
[19:40] <jbuncher> is there anyone in here that can help me "Confirm" a bug I reported on launchpad, where intel wireless seems unable to connect to hidden SSID on hardy kernel 2.6.24-23? (2.6.24-22 is fine)
[19:40] <jbuncher> Here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327431
[19:53] <persia> Laibsch, file a bug, and subscribe ~ubuntu-mirror-admins
[19:55] <Laibsch> OK
[19:55] <Laibsch> most of the Asian mirrors seem to be in a sorry state, actually
[20:46] <huayra> asac if you are there I would like to know if the nm-applet from your PPA is the same version in Jaunty daily
[20:48] <huayra> that way interested bug hunters can test the newest packaged code (2009-02-13)
[20:48] <huayra> and if it's not the same version as in your PPA, we just make people aware of the existence of a nm PPA for Jaunty ;)
[20:50] <huayra> as Dan suggested in the list, it would be cool if we, ubuntu hugers, at least have the option to help test the newest code available in tomorrows hug day
[20:50] <huayra> I'll be hunging around here if anyone has a comment
[21:01] <asac> huayra: what version is on jaunty daily CD?
[21:01] <asac> huayra: we have 0.7.1~  ... in jaunty now
[21:01] <asac> the PPA is not more recent for jaunty
[21:01] <asac> maybe for intrepid
[21:01] <asac> but not more recent for jaunty there
[21:04] <huayra> thanks asac, so if you make an upgrade previous to the hug day on jaunty you will have the most recent code available (13th of February in the PPA)?
[21:35] <asac> huayra: no. the most recent code is already there
[21:35] <asac> PPA has nothing new for jaunty
[21:40] <huayra> ok, got it
[21:41] <huayra> thanks asac
[21:41] <huayra> you are always so helpful :)
[21:54] <asac> welcome
[22:19] <joumetal> I am able to reproduce bug 331264. However startx is working.


[08:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: if http://i.imgur.com/4nRxd1t.png is one of those issues I'll not report it if not needed
[12:15] <bluesabre> flocculant, indeed, that is one :D
[12:16] <bluesabre> (you can run /usr/games/sgt-launcher in the meantime)
[12:17] <bluesabre> but really though, no idea how that happened, when I moved the binary I changed it in the launcher, and I remember it working :\
[12:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - changed desktop file - not sure if should show up in menulibre - but it doesn't :)
[14:23] <bluesabre> fun
[14:26] <flocculant> I think I'm going to get a new nick I can use for when I'm reporting issues - like the grinch or something :p
[14:30] <bluesabre> lol
[15:50] <pleia2> knome: re: council article, I'm adding a link to the strategy document
[15:50]  * pleia2 continues reading
[15:55] <knome> pleia2, sure
[15:55] <pleia2> knome: also added the network this channel is on (freenode)
[15:55] <pleia2> otherwise, lgtm :)
[16:35] <knome> pleia2, feel free to publish or schedule
[16:35] <knome> well
[16:35] <knome> did we want to be consistent with GTK/Gtk+?
[16:37]  * pleia2 shrugs
[16:38] <knome> it kind of bugs me, but it's not too bad for me to just go and fix it
[16:39] <knome> fwiw, the official name is GTK+, so neither of the ones we are using
[16:41] <pleia2> hehe
[16:41] <pleia2> I can normalize to GTK+ if you want
[16:42] <pleia2> then I'll publish
[16:43] <pleia2> voila http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-council/
[16:44] <knome> ok, tweeting
[16:45] <pleia2> G+ and FB done
[16:45] <knome> ta
[17:54] <intherye> pleia2, that's a nice, well written and informative text. though i think "evaluage" is not an english word. a typo?
[17:56] <pleia2> evaluage, evaluate ;)
[17:56] <pleia2> fixed, thanks
[17:56] <intherye> you're welcome :-)
[18:41] <ochosi> happy new your everyone!
[18:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: well that's a new one on me - the sgt launcher shows up in menulibre if it's a working launcher ...
[18:42] <bluesabre> happy new yours too ochosi
[18:42] <flocculant> ho ochosi - and a Hipster New Year to you - yes I saw the photo :p
[18:42] <flocculant> hi even
[18:42] <bluesabre> flocculant, fun that it doesn't show otherwise
[18:43] <bluesabre> suppose I could try harder there :D
[18:43] <flocculant> yea - bizarro
[18:43] <flocculant> ha ha ha - that was a pretty good try as it was \o/
[18:45] <flocculant> ochosi: seems I found another thing with notification in settings-manager - mouse wheel doesn't work there
[18:46] <ochosi> flocculant: you mean for scrolling? in which tab?
[18:47] <ochosi> yeah, since sean took the hyper-realistic portrait i felt i should go for a different look ;)
[18:47] <flocculant> ochosi: ha ha ha
[18:47] <ochosi> cat-eye blue sabre
[18:47] <bluesabre> ochosi, I've never quite found a lego man to properly represent me
[18:47] <flocculant> ochosi: scrolling in applications and log
[18:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: i can get one for you ;)
[18:48] <bluesabre> lol
[18:48] <ochosi> flocculant: weird, ok, i'll try to remember to look into that
[18:48] <ochosi> flocculant: although you can also report that as a bug, as i presume it also affects the last release
[18:48] <flocculant> there is *bound* to be a squirrel lego piece somewhere
[18:48] <flocculant> ochosi: I assume so - will check now
[18:49] <ochosi> thanks!
[18:50] <flocculant> mmm - not so easy to do :p
[18:50] <flocculant> check that is :D
[18:54] <flocculant> heh - the *old* one looks rather sparse :D
[18:56] <flocculant> ochosi: bug 1653448
[18:57] <flocculant> which once again perhaps should be settings-manager rather than notifyd
[18:57] <bluesabre> could be
[18:57] <bluesabre> flocculant, gtk2 or gtk3 settings manager?
[18:57] <flocculant> the other one I marked as affecting both
[18:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: don't see a gtk3 one in the ppa - so I assume not
[18:58] <bluesabre> k
[18:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: that was my original thinking till I saw I didn't have a different version than iso :)
[20:32] <knome> ochosi, you too!
[21:09] <ochosi> flocculant: weird, in the last stable release scrolling works for me in the settings manager
[21:10] <flocculant> ochosi: zesty?
[21:10] <ochosi> no still on yak
[21:11] <flocculant> mmm
[21:11] <flocculant> perhaps that then
[21:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I see nothing in 16.10 settings for notifications other than theme etc?
[21:13] <ochosi> i'm on yak but have the last stable release of notifyd installed
[21:14] <ochosi> 0.3.4
[21:14] <flocculant> oh right ok
[21:14] <flocculant> definitely not right here
[21:19] <flocculant> I assume gtk version's won't affect it
[21:19] <flocculant> in the meantime - time to do like zebedee - night all :)
[23:15] <bluesabre> Completed some work with the create document templates, if anybody is curious and wants to take a look, https://code.launchpad.net/~bluesabre/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-templates
[23:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: That's a lot of d/changelog changes.
[23:19] <bluesabre> Unit193, yeah, opened it in my editor and it murdered trailing whitespaces
[23:59] <bluesabre> starting to work on the pidgin code
[23:59] <bluesabre> busy day
[23:59] <bluesabre> :D


[01:07] <JanC> Daniel0108: the locoteam as a whole is in charge of those channels
[01:09] <JanC> so if there are channels managed by other people who do their work well (in a way that benefits & doesn't hurt ubuntu & ubuntu-at), I don't see any reason why you would need practical management over the channel(s)
[01:10] <Daniel0108> JanC, okay, that's good :P
[01:10] <JanC> of course, things are different if the "owner" of a loco channel has been MIA for a year...
[01:18] <JanC> anyway, nobody "owns" a locoteam, but some people might own rights over certain resources/assets of a locoteam, and it's up to the locoteam to agree on that
[01:26] <Daniel0108> I know, JanC
[01:33] <markjones> Daniel0108: In Wales, I'm the first Point of Contact for my team, I administer on behalf of our team our wiki pages and I email members every so often. We did have a Team Contact whom worked on behalf of other members, but that is currently vacant
[01:33] <markjones> nobody on our two IRC channels is op, but three of us have op priviliges
[01:34] <Daniel0108> markjones, we don't have OPs either
[01:36] <markjones> the only owned thing is the server we'll be using for our website
[01:36] <JanC> well, I "own" our IRC channel and ML, but that's largely historical (I don't have admin rights on our website for example)
[01:36] <JanC> although I have "root" on the webserver, so i could change that if I wanted...  ;)
[01:37] <JanC> but I don't own the Launchpad team, for example
[01:37] <JanC> and I have no access to our bank account


[01:49] <tylkno> what is this
[01:49] <tylkno> hello
[01:49] <tylkno> hi
[01:49] <tylkno> what is it
[01:49] <tylkno> do any one know
[01:49] <Eickmeyer> !ask
[01:49] <tylkno> lik thing
[01:50] <tylkno> what is this thing installed onto my computer
[01:51] <tylkno> so does anyone know or ok
[01:52] <tylkno> what is it
[01:53] <tylkno> ok i amv to leave bye
[02:08] <Roey> hi
[02:08] <Roey> I'm using kubuntu linux, but probably you guys know the answer to this as well:  after a while of uptime, I start getting errors when I try and launch X programs, getting "maximum number of x clients reached".  So I run "sudo lsof | awk '/libX11.so/ {clients[$1]++;} END {for(c in clients){printf "%s\t%s\n", clients[c], c;}}' ".  I see listings like "391  Isolated", "153 firefox", "58  Web\x20Co", etc.  Something's not closing X connections properly, I'm thinking.
[02:10] <arraybolt3[m]> That's odd.
[02:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like tons of Firefox stuff. How many tabs do you have open?
[02:11] <enigma9o7[m]> are you wayland?
[02:12] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: If they're on Kubuntu, probably not, I don't think Kubuntu switched to Wayland yet.
[02:12] <enigma9o7[m]> Not by default, but perhaps this person is....
[02:13] <enigma9o7[m]> I had an idea but it's probably wrong.
 Sounds like tons of Firefox stuff. How many tabs do you have open? <- like < 200
 are you wayland? <- no, Xorg sadly
[02:20] <Roey> I hadn't had this issue beofore a few months
[02:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Roey: Is it possible to see what happens if you close a relatively large number of tabs? Also, when was the last time you rebooted?
[02:22] <Roey> arraybolt3[m]: so yes, I've tried exiting Firefox completely, so that no processes remain in a "ps aux | grep firefox" listing.  And I still had that issue -- this time though I saw a listing of something like "54  krunner"
[02:22] <Roey> and the only way I could get past this error was to reboot.
[02:24] <enigma9o7[m]> was this within the last week?
[02:25] <Roey> nono within the past month
[02:25] <enigma9o7[m]> i rebooted in 2021
[02:25] <Roey> like, you mena this behavior? within the past 30 days I'd say.
[02:25] <Roey> enigma9o7[m]: how do you upgrade to patched kernels then?
[02:26] <enigma9o7[m]> this isnt about me... how do you?
[02:26] <Roey> I do very well, thank you
[02:27] <enigma9o7[m]> i love lamp
[02:27] <Roey> I love it when my compuner works
[02:27] <Roey> heh
[02:27] <Roey> computer *
[09:09] <user|32> Hello! After upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04 my  plasmashell looses head (like close, hide buttons), mouse active, but plasma freezed until I manually restart it from another TTY.
[09:10] <user|32> Should I report bug with logs?
[12:53] <petitlou60>  using 22.04.1 ISO image to build USB live Key, at boot time theris a failure to load installer, no problrm with 22.04 ISU
 Can i just remove and recreate the whole apt file? (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> you and i can see that on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors)
[13:01] <tomreyn> Omar: that's what i had you do, for the main apt sources.list file
 ok  , can we solve transparent app opening glitch ????
 that is just a file
 it might be something else in apt file
 so i thought about reblace the whole directory
 it might be something else in apt directory
[16:50] <tomreyn> Omar: what is "it"? as a reminder, i still don't know what you're trying to achive, which issue you're trying to solve, whether there are any error messages anywhere, whether anything is not behaving the way you think it should, or why.
 i fixed it
 https://termbin.com/44f8
 are those the default repos ?
 or i downloaded ubuntu repos?
[16:58] <tomreyn> those, but without the 'de.', would be kind of default.
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> @Omar: If you're in Germany, that sure looks right to me.
 if you prefer using the mirror.eu.kamatera.com apt archive mirror server then you can do this:    curl -s https://termbin.com/qv8v | sed 's/de\.archive\.ubuntu\.com/mirror.eu.kamatera.com/g' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:01] <tomreyn> to just use archive.ubuntu.com, you could:    curl -s https://termbin.com/qv8v | sed 's/de\.archive\.ubuntu\.com/archive.ubuntu.com/g' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:04] <tomreyn> this command prints a list of all active apt source configurations and the file defininf it:    sudo grep -Ev '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} |& nc termbin.com 9999
 No audio ouput from bluetooth speaker after it is connected to Bluetooth
 ```
 Kernel : 5.15.0-46-generic
 Laptop : Asus Tuf 705DT
 No audio ouput from bluetooth speaker after it is connected to Bluetooth
 Kernel : 5.15.0-46-generic
 https://termbin.com/u2c9
 this is the output (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> this command prints a list of all active apt source configurations and the file defininf it:    sudo grep -Ev '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} |& nc termbin.com 9999)
 i think so im in kubuntu 22.04.1 is it jummy? (re @Omar: im in jummy)
[22:09] <user|79> Anyone know why Discover is no longer working and how do I fix it?
[22:11] <user|79> The app will not do updates
[22:11] <oerheks> for what kubuntu version?
[22:11] <tomreyn> Omar: so, according to this, you can disable or remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nala-sources.list since it just adds more of the same you already have in /etc/apt/sources.list (where it originally belongs)
[22:12] <user|79> I believe it is 22.04 was working till a couple of weeks ago
[22:12] <tomreyn> Omar: that should also make the notices/warnings you probably have abot dupes currently when you run 'apt update' go away.
[22:16] <tomreyn> user|79: This command uploads, to termbin.com, so you can share it here, a list of all active apt repository configurations and the file(s) defining them:    sudo grep -Ev '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:16] <tomreyn> oh, i'm so slow


[14:25] <mterry> asac, do you know why 063 edje seems built: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edje but the binaries aren't available in lucid?  The source is...  This is why efl builds are failing
[14:26] <asac> mterry: i think we are waiting for publisher
[14:26] <asac> mterry: stevenk NEWed things
[14:26] <asac> just a bit ago
[14:27] <mterry> asac, but I figured launchpad would tell us it has yet to publish.  And edje shouldn't have to go through NEW, it was in karmic
[14:27] <asac> i thought it had this new -svn5... thing?
[14:27] <mterry> asac, ah, right.
[14:27] <asac> a nyway.. i clearly see the old version
[14:27] <asac> in apt-cache
[14:27] <asac> so for me it means that publisher hasnt finished
[14:28] <mterry> asac, k, I assumed launchpad would note that.  I'll wait patiently
[14:28] <asac> apt-cache show libedje-dev | grep Version
[14:28] <asac> Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[14:28] <asac> not sure. maybe its because we are on ports
[14:28] <asac> i also tried to give back elementary ;)
[14:28] <asac> which is still needed before the efl
[14:29] <asac> but it needs that lib-dev too
[14:33] <persia> You guys might want to check with Lutin :)
[14:34] <asac> already did ... its just waiting a bit imo
[14:34] <persia> OK.  I just saw a complain from him on -motu a whlie back about pushing rebuilds before build-deps were ready.
[14:34] <asac> well. that was me
[14:35] <asac> i was tricked by the build depends appearing ready on launchpad ... while they are not on ports
[14:35] <persia> publisher scheduling ?
[14:36] <asac> i guess so
[14:36] <asac> when is the publisher run?
[14:37] <persia> I haven't checked in a *long* time, but it was at :08 back then.
[14:37] <persia> Someone in -devel likely knows.
[14:37] <persia> (just needs someone who can check the cron config)
[14:54] <asac> ok seems its there now
[14:54] <asac> already given back for armel ... so all fine from what i see
[14:55] <asac> mterry: ^^
[14:57] <mterry> asac, cool.  Still can't see it from archive.ubuntu.com, but assume it will be a matter of time.  How did you tell?
[15:05] <asac> mterry: well. it already built on i386 et al
[15:05] <asac> and on ports i see it for armel
[15:05] <asac> i mean libedje-dev
[15:05] <asac> elementary needs to finish first and then NEWed
[15:05] <asac> or not newed
[15:05] <asac> but seems its new
[15:15] <persia> elementary *does* need to be NEWed.
[15:15] <persia> Source NEW is complete, but binary NEW needs to happen.
[15:16] <persia> On the other hand, it only built for powerpc, i386, and amd64 so far: better to wait until it's available on all architectures (or known FTBFS) before asking for NEW.
[20:51] <asac> StevenK: persia: elementary is all built and waiting in bin NEW


[00:30] <mgolisch> there is no easy way to support building packages for different versions of ubuntu that require different versions of a dependency is there? Depends: blah-xxx|blah-yyy seems like a bad idea
[03:42] <Na3iL> o/
[04:17] <Logan> mgolisch: are you talking about a build dependency or a binary dependency? ${shlibs:Depends} should handle the latter
[11:55] <mgolisch> Logan: binary dependency
[12:04] <mgolisch> ill look into dpkg-shlibdeps
[13:06] <mgolisch> yeah that seems to work
[23:04] <Logan> mgolisch: awesome


[12:14] <vbabiy> O ok
[01:05] <jwendell> Hi geser, i saw i've commented on my upload
[01:07] <jwendell> TheMuso, could you review it now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6163
[01:43] <RAOF> Sweet zombie jesus, why does our azureus package use CDBS and Debian's use raw debhelper?
[01:46] <StevenK> Heh. Neat.
[01:47] <RAOF> No.  Not neat.
[01:48] <ajmitch> because someone though it'd be nice to change
[01:48] <StevenK> Blame Fujitsu.
[01:51] <StevenK> Actually, surely the changelog should say who is to blame.
[01:53] <ajmitch> only if someone was helpful enough to document it
[01:56] <calc> RAOF: yea i looked at the azureus package and ran away from it quick
[01:56] <calc> RAOF: i was going to merge it a while back but decided to leave it for the experts ;)
[01:57] <RAOF> Right.  So, I'm going to do my darndest to ensure that we can just sync the darn thing in future.
[01:58] <calc> probably figure out what is useful difference and then just add that to the debian version
[01:59] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF, ajmitch, StevenK.
[01:59] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso.
[02:00] <RAOF> Why do people suddenly feel that bugs like "please merge foo from bar" will magically attract swarms of merge fairies?
[02:01] <ajmitch> hello TheMuso
[02:01] <calc> how long does it take to get a resolution for a core dev app?
[02:02] <calc> i applied 11 days ago and only got one response since then, heh
[02:02] <calc> not even -1 go away messsages
[02:11] <RAOF> Man, we patch the living bejeezus out of azureus.
[02:12] <StevenK> azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1.patch 05-Jan-2007 08:10   20M
[02:13] <StevenK> ARGH!
[02:16] <calc> RAOF: kill it! :)
[02:16] <nixternal> jwendell: you are one l off of being the super famous fatal1ty :)
[02:17] <jwendell> ok, i'm sorry
[02:17] <nixternal> calc: how many people have bugged you so far about OOo locking up?
[02:17] <calc> RAOF: maybe azureus should stay as is for testing new MOTU's skill of fixing stuff ;)
[02:17] <calc> nixternal: a few apparently its a bug in new gtk
[02:17] <calc> nixternal: works fine on my box though so its not easily reproducible apparently
[02:17] <nixternal> hehe, ya that bug in GTK broke a few things
[02:17] <StevenK> calc: Yeah, and how many people would we scare off saying "Fix that hulking piece of crap" ?
[02:17] <nixternal> it just started today for me
[02:17] <calc> StevenK: hehe
[02:17] <nixternal> or I noticed it today
[02:18] <Amaranth> calc: for core-dev you have to wait for a TB meeting
[02:18] <calc> Amaranth: oh ok, i don't need full +1 vote from motu council though?
[02:18] <StevenK> Amaranth: But he hasn't even gotten one vote yet
[02:18] <calc> StevenK: i got one i think
[02:18] <calc> yea from stefan
[02:18] <calc> StevenK: :P
[02:25] <RAOF> Ah, OK.  That's why azureus is such a pest.  Debian isn't the upstream source, Fedora Core is!
[02:26] <StevenK> Argh!
[02:27] <StevenK> RAOF: Surely sync'ing the damn thing is in our best interest.
[02:29] <RAOF> We'll have a bunch of regessions doing that, particularly the gcj native build.
[02:29] <StevenK> Okay, how about a patch smaller than 20Mb? :-)
[02:29] <RAOF> But, yes, syncing the damn thing seems like a good idea :)
[02:30] <RAOF> I can probably manage that.
[02:32] <StevenK> I thought gcj was quicker
[02:32] <RAOF> Yes, but not than running on the actual java VM?
[02:32] <RAOF> Also, works less often, at least as far as ubuntuforums seems to think.
[02:35] <StevenK> You can file a sync saying "The gcj build is crap and doesn't work so should go" would probably work.
[02:40] <RAOF> You know, the upstream tarball seems to be repacked into a new subdirectory, and have some random plugins added to it.
[02:42] <TheMuso> heh
[02:43] <ScottK> Sync and if it doesn't work, file a removal bug.
[02:44] <ScottK> ajmitch: That's the bitterness.
[02:46] <RAOF> So, I'll sync it, which will drop the gcj build and a bunch of plugins which should be in a separate "azureus-plugins" package *anyway*.  Then I'll package those up from the actual tarball.
[02:47] <TheMuso> RAOF: Does the sid package build in Gutsy?
[02:50] <RAOF> Just checking, thanks.
[02:51] <RAOF> But I'm pretty sure it has to; it doesn't seem to actually do any building.
[02:55] <RAOF> ...or it would, if we called the gtk swt libraries the same thing!
[02:55] <StevenK> Heh
[02:55] <TheMuso> Oh lovely.
[02:57] <mannytu> hellow
[03:01] <ajmitch> ScottK: yay!
[03:19] <zul> oh lindsay lohan will you ever learn
[03:24] <TheMuso> Oh do we even care?
[03:26] <StevenK> I don't, for one.
[03:29] <ajmitch> who's that?
[03:30] <TheMuso> ajmitch: heh yeah.
[03:44] <RAOF> Right, so libswt3.2-gtk-java violates policy.  Yay.
[03:47] <TheMuso> RAOF: Well its in universe. Get fixing. :p
[03:47] <StevenK> RAOF: Hrm? How?
[03:48] <RAOF> StevenK: It installs it's libs to /usr/lib/java; policy says they go to /usr/share/java
[03:49] <StevenK> Hurray!
[03:49] <StevenK> Anyone running Gutsy on a desktop?
[03:50] <TheMuso> StevenK: I plan to in a week or so...
[03:50] <Nafallo> StevenK: yes
[03:50] <RAOF> Furthermore, it's built from eclipse source, the latest upload of which fails to build.
[03:50] <RAOF> StevenK: Does a laptop count? :)
[03:50] <StevenK> Sure.
[03:50] <RAOF> Then "yes".
[03:50] <StevenK> Nafallo, RAOF: Do either of you mind seeing if bug 99934 is fixed?
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99934 in seahorse "Stalls in infinite loop when creating new ElGamel subkey" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99934
[03:51] <StevenK> It's marked as fixed in Gnome's bug tracker, and Gutsy has 2.19.5, so it should be okay, but I can't check.
[03:53] <RAOF> StevenK: Nope.  Still hangs.
[03:53] <RAOF> I'll leave it running though, to see if it's just taking *ages*
[03:53] <StevenK> Gasp. persia is to blame for eclipse.
[03:53] <TheMuso> hehe
[03:54] <RAOF> The policy violation is presumably still in Debian, though, that was a sync.
[03:54] <StevenK> Yup.
[03:55] <StevenK> Looks like missing Build-Depends.
[03:55] <RAOF> StevenK: Sorry, that is fixed.  It just takes a long time without any feedback.
[03:55] <StevenK>      [exec]  xpcom.h:17:21: error: nsXPCOM.h: No such file or directory
[03:55] <StevenK>      [exec]  xpcom.h:18:27: error: nsEmbedString.h: No such file or directory
[03:55] <StevenK>      [exec]  xpcom.h:19:28: error: nsIInputStream.h: No such file or directory
[03:55] <StevenK> RAOF: Great, do you want to comment on the bug and nail it shut?
[03:55] <RAOF> It's not being built against xulrunner surely?
[03:55] <RAOF> StevenK: Certainly.
[03:56] <StevenK> Actually, a little bit further up the build says "*** Mozilla embedding support will not be compiled."
[03:57] <StevenK> RAOF: And yes, it is being built against xulrunner.
[03:58] <StevenK> RAOF: Should that be fixed?
[03:59] <RAOF> StevenK: Maybe.  I'll try building the newer eclipse against firefox.
[04:00] <StevenK> It might just need a give-back. xulrunner was last touched 05/07, and eclipse was synced in the middle of June
[04:07] <StevenK> RAOF: If you aren't playing with eclipse, I'd suggest it get given back.
[04:09] <RAOF> StevenK: I'm not playing with it.  Although there's a new debian revision that should be sync'd, too.
[04:12] <StevenK> RAOF: I can file a sync after lunch.
[04:13] <RAOF> That'll be preferable to a giveback, right
[04:13] <RAOF> ?
[04:14] <RAOF> I can do it, if you don't get to it first.
[04:24] <TheMuso> Afternoon Hobbsee.
[04:25] <ajmitch> yay for people who refuse to file bugs
[04:25] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[04:26] <Hobbsee> heya TheMuso!
[04:26] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:26] <Hobbsee> refuse to fix the bug, until they file a good one
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hiya ajmitch
[04:26] <ajmitch> this person has a history of going on irc, complaining about something, and not wanting to file a bug in launchpad
[04:27] <TheMuso> ajmitch: -kernel... i.e kano?
[04:27] <ajmitch> yep
[04:27] <ajmitch> certainly not the first time this has happened
[04:27] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:28] <TheMuso> You'd think he's have learnt by now.
[04:28] <ajmitch> TheMuso: some people don't learn
[04:28] <TheMuso> heh
[04:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee can attest to that
[04:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I'm actually starting to find that out through reviewing packages.
[04:28] <TheMuso> I have found myself thinking that people would learn from what we point out to them.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: oh, kano
[04:29] <TheMuso> WHich obviously doesn't happen as often as we'd like.
[04:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: another one of your friends
[04:29] <ScottK> Maybe we need a rule that no one can add a package until they've had a removal request fulfilled.
[04:29] <TheMuso> hehe
[04:29] <TheMuso> ScottK: Whaa?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, he's been in -devel repeatedly too
[04:30] <ScottK> Just thinking it's cut down on the cruft in the repos and deter people who don't know what they are doing/really want the package from giving us junk to review.
[04:30] <ScottK> it's/it'd
[04:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I know :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:31] <ajmitch> ScottK: sure, what should I remove to get some new stuff in?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ScottK: then htey'd file removal requests on things like debian-installer or something.
[04:31] <ajmitch> nah, kde*
[04:31] <TheMuso> lol
[04:32] <ScottK> mostly.
[04:32] <TheMuso> ScottK: I get your drift though.
[04:32] <ajmitch> 19:11 -!- Kano<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-devel
[04:32] <ajmitch> 19:12 < Kano> hi, please update mc in feisty. it is broken badly!
[04:32] <ajmitch> 19:13 -!-  Off he goes, without a sign of stating that any bugs will be filed.
[04:39] <TheMuso> And not likely to file any.
[04:39] <ajmitch> don't expect behaviour to change
[04:40] <TheMuso> Seems that way.
[04:50] <LucidFox> Who should I subscribe to a "move to multiverse" bug?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> LucidFox: ubuntu-archive
[05:05] <ryanakca> is it possible to sync from Debian Experimental, more importantly, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/egroupware
[05:05] <ScottK> Yes.  It's possible.  The question is, is it a good idea.
[05:06] <ryanakca> hmm. *tries it in his gutsy schroot*
[05:07] <RAOF> StevenK: Actually, eclipse should probably be merged, not syncd, to fix the policy violation (which, in turn, prevents azureus from building right).
[05:07] <TheMuso> RAOF: Are you aware that specto is sitting in the manual merge list for universe? http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[05:07] <ScottK> ryanakca: Also look at debian/changelog and see WHY it's in experimental.
[05:07] <RAOF> TheMuso: I am, I actually want to upload a 0.2.2-1 to Debian and sync that.
[05:08] <TheMuso> RAOF: SOunds like a good idea.
[05:08] <RAOF> Although if that takes too long I could just sync the current package now and sync 0.2.2 later.
[05:09] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yep. Was just checking that you knew it was there.
[05:10] <ScottK> Or you could upload 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 and don't sweat it.
[05:12] <RAOF> It's a while until UVF.  Debian->sync seems easier.
[05:13] <ScottK> Yep.  Save direct upload to Ubuntu until the last moment if you need it.
[05:13] <StevenK> RAOF: If you want to merge eclipse, go ahead. I'm happy to upload it for you.
[05:14] <RAOF> StevenK: I'll try to get to it tonight.  I'm cut off from any buildboxes for the moment.
[05:14] <StevenK> Hopefully, it isn't a new upstream release, given the orig tarball is 50Mb
[05:15] <RAOF> Nah, it's 3.2.2-1 to 3.2.2-2
[05:15] <StevenK> RAOF: That's irreponsible. :-P
[05:15] <RAOF> StevenK: ?
[05:15] <StevenK> RAOF: Being cut off from your building machines.
[05:16] <RAOF> Aaah.
[05:16] <RAOF> Yes, I should roll back my server to Fiesty (which has a working acx111 driver)
[05:17] <StevenK> Surely the math department won't notice if you smuggle an amd64 in and hide it under a rug?
[05:17] <RAOF> I've got my laptop, but no network access.  They hate m.
[05:17] <ajmitch> surely the people at work won't notice if I stick a gutsy chroot on a server?
[05:17] <StevenK> Heh
[05:25] <TheMuso> haha
[05:29] <ScottK> Unfortunately for me, "the people at work" is me, so I have to be responsible.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> then just dont tell yourself that you're doing it then.    simple
[05:31] <RAOF> That's where multiple-personalities come in handy
[05:37] <ajmitch> ScottK: sadly that's often the case here as well
[05:38] <ScottK> More fun to play "as long as I don't get caught".
[05:38] <RAOF> Hobbsee: For what?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> motu uvf team
[05:38] <Hobbsee> dont you read the motu ML?
[05:38] <RAOF> Ah.
[05:39] <RAOF> The "going" somewhat confused me.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: well, the webpage wont come to me :P
[05:41] <StevenK> Great. Now sear is part of *two* transitions.
[05:41] <StevenK> man-di: ^
[05:42] <StevenK> Heh
[05:43] <jmg> 'uvf'
[05:43] <jmg> ?
[05:43] <StevenK> Upstream Version Freeze
[05:45] <RAOF> The 18th(?) of next month.
[05:46] <StevenK> 16th
[05:47] <RAOF> Near enough
[05:48] <StevenK> Ewwwww!
[05:48] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ca/632745
[05:49] <RAOF> StevenK: ?????
[05:49] <RAOF> What is that crack?
[05:49] <StevenK> I have no idea. But it looks like crack
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ....
[05:52] <StevenK> Thank $DEITY the rules file doesn't play around with it.
[06:09] <ScottK> Any motu hopeful want practice on a sync bug?
[06:09] <ajmitch> sure
[06:09] <ScottK> Heh.
[06:10] <ScottK> pypolicyd-spf is a sync if anyone wants to do it.
[06:10] <ajmitch> hopefully finishing work sometime today, so I can go home
[06:10] <ScottK> Is "finishing" a function of clock ticks or something actually has to get done?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ajmitch doesnt do work.  you should know this.
[06:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: thanks
[06:13] <Toadstool> uh, almost forgot to vote
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no problem
[06:13] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[06:13] <ajmitch> hello Toadstool
[06:14] <jmg> who can vote?
[06:14] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[06:14] <StevenK> ajmitch: My condolences.
[06:14] <Toadstool> jmg: MOTUs
[06:14] <jmg> ah
[06:14] <ajmitch> my vote doesn't count
[06:14] <RAOF> I should probably look at packaging the new Gnucash version, since I actually use it.
[06:14] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I see kdepim is up for a merge.  I "touched it last" but am certainly not the best one to merge it...
[06:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: right.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'll have a look.  and shove patches back to debian
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: oh blergle. that should be merged enough
[06:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It's a new upstream point release.    Cool.
[06:24] <Fujitsu> About then.
[06:24] <ajmitch> Toadstool: when a bug is incomplete
[06:24] <Toadstool> oh ok, doesn't sound any better to me but whatever
[06:24] <RAOF> Which will pretty much halve the number of bugs on my bugpage :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> kopete has one or 2 developers -a nd not much time
[06:25] <Hobbsee> geser: why'd you ack balazar, btw?
[06:26] <ajmitch> Toadstool: if someone doesn't respond to a bug for 6 months after someone has asked them for further info, auto-expiry can help
[06:26] <Hobbsee> kmos, if a MOTU or a core dev has filed a sync request bug, then you *probably* dont need to bother touching it.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> seeing as they tend to know more than you do, and so have already done all the steps required.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> grrr.
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What's he done now?
[06:27] <StevenK> RAOF: Here's Fujitsu, get him!
[06:27] <Fujitsu> Arrrgh.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/balazar/+bug/124744 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/46657
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:27] <Toadstool> ajmitch: if the expiration delay is this big, yeah, it makes sense
[06:28] <StevenK> Oh good one, geser. If Hobbsee filed the sync request, you don't need to ack it.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Nooo.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> I never even touched eclipse :(
[06:35] <Fujitsu> What are everyone's thoughts about reasonable timeouts for bugs?
[06:36] <RAOF> 2 months seems reasonable to me
[06:36] <ajmitch> 2 hours
[06:37] <RAOF> LP as IRC bugtracker :)
[06:37] <Fujitsu> I generally use about 3 months, I think.
[06:38] <StevenK> Besides, even if the sync doesn't meet Build-Depends, it will DEPWAIT and not fail.
[06:39] <Fujitsu> I love Kmos' responses to bug #127348
[06:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127348 in launchpad "Bug comment form not expandable in Firefox 1.0.8" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127348
[06:40] <RAOF> Eeep.
[06:40] <ajmitch> oh dear
[06:41] <ajmitch> that's just nuts
[06:42] <TheMuso> WHo is Kmos?
[06:42] <Fujitsu> Marco Rodrigues (gothicx)
[06:43] <ajmitch> someone being overly helpful on bugs, by the look of things
[06:43] <ScottK> AKA the guy that tried to merge the motumedia and ubuntu-motu teams in LP.
[06:43] <TheMuso> ah. I wish people would use the same nick on LP and IRC>
[06:44] <Fujitsu> Nah, thta'd be too easy.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Was that him? I forget.
[06:44] <ScottK> Yeah.
[06:44] <TheMuso> Interesting comments indeed.
[06:46] <ScottK> RAOF: Maybe he'd want to merge azureus.  That would keep him busy for a while.
[06:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126516 in malone "would like limited access control for status field changes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126516
[06:47] <StevenK> ScottK: Argh!
[06:48] <TheMuso> That is an interesting bug.
[06:49] <TheMuso> I'd be enclined to agree myself.
[06:50] <Fujitsu> It does seem really stupid to allow anybody to make a bug completely vanish, but restrict them from just sending it up or down the listings a bit.
[06:50] <ScottK> I thought Won't Fix and Invalid were already controlled.
[06:50] <Fujitsu> Won't Fix and Triaged are.
[06:51] <ScottK> Then the bug is at least partially incorrect as written.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Slightly.
[06:52] <ScottK> If more bug statuses get restricted we're going to need a must be confirmed team for motu-hopefuls/helpers that can set the status (and no -qa isn't that team IMO).
[06:53] <RAOF> That doesn't really sound too bad.
[06:53] <ajmitch> of course privileged people could still file bugs directly
[06:53] <ajmitch> but a lot of bugs are just support requests
[06:53] <RAOF> And apport, presumably
[06:53] <ajmitch> sure
[06:53] <ajmitch> I guess ;)
[06:54] <RAOF> The crashlogs certainly :)
[06:54] <RAOF> And yes, a fair proportion of the non-crashes do seem to be support requests, or user error.
[06:55] <ajmitch> most users can't tell whether it's something they just need help with, or a real problem
[06:55] <Toadstool> we should get rid of users :)
[06:55] <RAOF> Crashes are (almost) always real problems.  But I agree.
[06:56] <ScottK> We can just keep ignoring them.  It amounts to the same thing.

[06:57] <RAOF> Mmmm, bitters
[06:57] <ajmitch> ScottK: of course you are, you're from debian
[06:57] <ajmitch> well
[06:57] <ScottK> No, actually I'm not.
[06:57] <ScottK> (from Debian).
[06:58] <ajmitch> we've picked up enough of that from debian lately :)
[06:58] <ScottK> I actually came here from opensuse.
[06:58] <Toadstool> ajmitch: the closer to Debian, the bitter? is this what you mean?
[06:58] <ajmitch> Toadstool: yep
[06:58] <StevenK> ScottK: Twitch
[06:58] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Even after Mark's ill-fated mailing list post?
[06:58] <ajmitch> StevenK: heh
[06:59] <ScottK> No, before.
[06:59] <StevenK> Hah. I'd forgotten about that.
[06:59] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: the "novell sucks, time to bail out, guys!" mail?
[06:59] <Fujitsu> That's the one.
[06:59] <ScottK> I had brief relationship with them in which I got a very shiny and useable opensuse 10.1 KDE desktop.
[06:59] <ScottK> Only one little problem.
[07:00] <ScottK> No way to update it.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> It's OpenSUSE?
[07:00] <TheMuso> ScottK: Oh lovely.
[07:00] <ScottK> Is it?  I thought they changed it to opensuse.
[07:00] <RAOF> Ooops, I think I know why eclips FTBFS: debian/control wasn't regenerated for Ubuntu.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure of the capitalisation, but I was pointing out that that was a problem.
[07:00] <ScottK> Yeah.  They completely switched to a brand new update system that was added (and the old one removed) after the last public test release.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> RAOF: That's not a valid excuse for not building.
[07:01] <ScottK> It didn't go well.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Why should it need regenerating?
[07:01] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Why not?  The build-deps are wrong until the control file is regend
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Sounds special.
[07:01] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Because eclipse is on serious crack
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Anyway, I have to go now.
[07:02] <ajmitch> RAOF: but eclipse is java & shiny & wonderful
[07:02] <ScottK> Then they basically said "What did you expect".  You all are just beta testers for SLES anyway.  You don't expect it to work do you?  (I paraphrase).
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Impressive.
[07:02] <TheMuso> ScottK: eeeeew
[07:02] <jmg> heh
[07:02] <RAOF> ajmitch: Yes, java is what all the cool kids are doing behind the bikeshed (which should be green, by the way)
[07:03] <ajmitch> RAOF: sorry, we prefer brown around here
[07:03] <ScottK> Yeah.  My list of must haves for a Linux distro is now: 1.  Product I use must be the actual product of the organization making the distro.  2.  Must use Debian package management system.  3.  Must have KDE.  4.  Must have a decent server version.
[07:03] <ScottK> Thus I'm here.
[07:03] <ajmitch> ubuntu has a decent server version?
[07:03] <ScottK> Recently I've added no patent crack from MS to my list.
[07:03] <RAOF> ajmitch: I'll fight you to the death about it's green-ness
[07:04] <ScottK> ajmitch: For my purposes yes.
[07:04] <ajmitch> ScottK: problem is that different people have different requirements for a server distro, and ubuntu hasn't really fulfilled all that so far
[07:04] <ScottK> Agreed.
[07:04] <ajmitch> it'd be fine for me (except I use debian) :)
[07:05] <ScottK> All the piece parts are there for a great mail server, but you do have to know how to turn the knobs.
[07:05] <TheMuso> Ubuntu will be fine when I get my server built
[07:07] <ScottK> Oh.  That reminds me...  At the time I needed Postfix 2.2 or later.
[07:07] <ScottK> That narrowed the field some more.
[07:07] <ajmitch> etch is adequate here
[07:08] <ScottK> Etch would meet my server needs, but it wasn't released a year ago.
[07:09] <ajmitch> and also centos, which is gone now, thankfully
[07:09] <ScottK> My first operational mail server was Sarge, but Postfix 2.1 didn't have all the knobs I needed.
[07:20] <StevenK> Heh, my mail server is currently Etch with Exim 4.6
[07:23] <ajmitch> why do you dislike exim?
[07:23] <StevenK> Because the Debian maintainer is an arrogant asshole
[07:23] <ajmitch> ah
[07:24] <StevenK> He seems to have no qualms about breaking stuff, and I've also come to the conclusion that the way Exim queues mail is sub-optimal
[07:26] <ScottK> StevenK: Have you ever considered switching to Postfix.
[07:27] <StevenK> ScottK: The new mail servers at $WORK are Postfix
[07:29] <ScottK> Ah.  Excellent.
[07:30] <ScottK> I think it's time to go to bed.
[07:30] <ScottK> Good night all.
[07:30] <StevenK> 'Night
[07:53] <WorkingGeier> hi
[07:54] <WorkingGeier> I'm trying to use dpatch-edit-patch inside the gcc package
[07:54] <WorkingGeier> the directory being patched is not the toplevel
[07:54] <WorkingGeier> dpatch-edit-patch: Error: "src" is not the toplevel directory of a Debian package, aborting.
[07:55] <WorkingGeier> how can I tell dpatch that I'd like to work within that directory
[07:55] <WorkingGeier> ?
[07:57] <TheMuso> WorkingGeier: You have to run dpatch-edit-patch from the top directory of the package.
[07:57] <WorkingGeier> yes
[07:57] <WorkingGeier> I'm doing that, and passing the subdirectory with the sources as -s src
[07:58] <TheMuso> WorkingGeier: Have you read the dpatch-edit-patch manpage?
[07:58] <WorkingGeier> yes
[07:58] <WorkingGeier> there seems to be an additional complication
[07:58] <WorkingGeier> gcc-4.2 does not have a 00list file
[07:58] <WorkingGeier> instead, a debian/rules fragment builds the list dynamically
[07:59] <TheMuso> WorkingGeier: Well you would know that when you run dpatch-edit-patch, you will be placed at the shell in a temporary directory. You then edit the files you want patched, and then exit the shell.
[07:59] <WorkingGeier> yes
[07:59] <WorkingGeier> I've already used dpatch-edit-patch in the past, although it has been such a long time that I forgot the name of the tool
[08:00] <WorkingGeier> I need to edit an existing patch
[08:00] <TheMuso> Well I don't quite understand your problem then.
[08:00] <TheMuso> Well you simply run dpatch-edit-patch with the name of the patch as an argument, minus the .dpatch extension.
[08:00] <WorkingGeier> two problems
[08:00] <WorkingGeier> the source is not in the toplevel
[08:00] <TheMuso> That does not matter.
[08:00] <WorkingGeier> but rather in the src/ subdirectory
[08:01] <TheMuso> Doesn't matter where. You still run dpatch-edit-patch from the top level, and pass it the name of a new patch you want to create, or an existing patch you want to edit.
[08:02] <WorkingGeier> and applying patch gcc-ssp-default to ./ ... failed.
[08:02] <TheMuso> Well you will likely have to edit that patch
[08:03] <WorkingGeier> well
[08:03] <WorkingGeier> the patch failed because the source is not where dpatch expected it
[08:03] <TheMuso> Well the patch wsan't made properly.
[08:03] <TheMuso> wasn't even
[08:04] <WorkingGeier> the biggest problem seems to be the absence of 00list
[08:05] <TheMuso> Right.
[08:05] <TheMuso> What package are you working on?
[08:05] <WorkingGeier> and the fact that dpatch calls the clean target, which deletes the src directory
[08:05] <WorkingGeier> gcc-4.2
[08:06] <TheMuso> Ummmm. Ok. Do you have a particular reason for working on it?
[08:06] <WorkingGeier> gcc-ssp-default.dpatch is wrong and breaks the build
[08:06] <WorkingGeier> and the workarounds are even worse
[08:07] <TheMuso> If this is for gutsy, you might want to talk to those who maintain GCC in ubuntu.
[08:07] <TheMuso> And discuss it with them.
[08:07] <WorkingGeier> sure
[08:07] <StevenK> Same person who maintains it in Debian, actually.
[08:07] <WorkingGeier> yes, I talked to him yesterday; he didn't seem to understand why it was broken
[08:09] <WorkingGeier> it sets -fstack-protector in the compiler stage by default, but the linker does not get -lssp by default
[08:10] <WorkingGeier> which makes stage 2 of the bootstrap fail with missing symbols
[08:10] <WorkingGeier> the workaround was to pass -fno-stack-protector during bootstrap
[08:11] <WorkingGeier> hmm
[08:11] <WorkingGeier> dpatch-edit-patch insists on cleaning out the directory
[08:12] <WorkingGeier> deleting the source
[08:31] <Toadstool> WorkingGeier: why do you wanna use dpatch-edit-patch with gcc? it doesn't use dpatch but a dpatch-like over-complicated custom patch system afaik
[08:31] <WorkingGeier> yep
[08:32] <WorkingGeier> the question is how I would edit a patch otherwise
[08:32] <WorkingGeier> by hand?
[08:32] <Toadstool> I guess so
[08:33] <Toadstool> did you ask doko already?
[08:33] <WorkingGeier> last time I spoke to him (yesterday) he didn't seem to have time
[08:34] <WorkingGeier> and I hadn't dived into the code enough to see where the problem was
[08:36] <Toadstool> WorkingGeier: well, I ain't no gcc packaging expert but I don't think dpatch-edit-patch is gonna be of any help here, given that there's no 00list or anything similar available or even generated
[08:37] <WorkingGeier> indeed
[08:37] <Toadstool> off to bed, it's getting late over here, good luck
[08:37] <WorkingGeier> thanks
[08:59] <man-di> StevenK: sear is a mess...
[09:00] <WorkingGeier> hmm
[09:00] <WorkingGeier> it seems gcc does not want to be built with SSP
[09:00] <StevenK> man-di: Heh. Great ...
[09:01] <man-di> StevenK: which transitions do you mean by (*two*)
[09:01] <StevenK> man-di: libatlas and cal3d
[09:02] <man-di> StevenK: just update them to newest
[09:02] <StevenK> man-di: Do a rebuild of it?
[09:02] <man-di> StevenK: I hope to get a patch for sear and guichan soon
[09:02] <man-di> StevenK: for sear 0.6.3
[09:03] <man-di> StevenK: do you mean in debian or ubuntu?
[09:03] <StevenK> You can't just upload it to Debian? :-)
[09:03] <StevenK> Ubuntu
[09:03] <man-di> StevenK: no, because it doesnt build
[09:04] <StevenK> 0.6.3 doesn't? Neat.
[09:04] <man-di> StevenK: 0.6.1 (current debian unstable) doesnt build with eris in unstable and 0.6.3 (new upstream) doesnt build with current guichan
[09:04] <man-di> I bet 0.6.1 doenst build with current guichan either
[09:04] <man-di> it depends on guichan 0.5.0
[09:05] <man-di> and there were major api changes in guichan 0.5.0 -> 0.6.0
[09:05] <man-di> there is already guichan 0.7.0 coming soon
[09:06] <man-di> I sponsor the maintainer and I said to him if you want to get it in, send me patch that makes it work with sear too
[09:06] <man-di> (just in case upstream is not faster)
[09:06] <man-di> StevenK: I think I have described the mess now a bit
[09:07] <jussi01> good morning. how do I check if a package is already in debian?
[09:08] <WorkingGeier> jussi01, packages.debian.org
[09:08] <man-di> jussi01: packages.debian.org
[09:08] <jussi01> ok, thanks WorkingGeier, man-di
[09:12] <man-di> jussi01: but beware, packages.debian.org is normally some hours/days behind reality
[09:13] <StevenK> ... days, weeks ...
[09:13] <jussi01> hmmm, this is weird. I am looking at packaging a program. I cant find it on debian, ubuntu or revu. however, the upstream tarball has already got a debian directory...
[09:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: some upstreams do their own debian/
[09:14] <man-di> jussi01: some upstreams do this
[09:14] <jussi01> ok, so what do I do with this? what is the proceedure??
[09:14] <man-di> jussi01: but its IMO a bad decision to include debian/ dir upstream
[09:14] <jussi01> bug 128068
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128068 in Ubuntu "Xjadeo" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128068
[09:16] <jussi01> btw, has anyone seen persia/know why he hasnt ben around?
[09:16] <WorkingGeier> jussi01, stuff like that happens often
[09:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i think he got caught up in $realwork
[09:16] <WorkingGeier> jussi01, it makes the .diff.gz hard to read
[09:16] <LucidFox> something has happened to packages.ubuntu.com
[09:17] <LucidFox> It gives an "Unable to connect" error when searching packages
[09:17] <WorkingGeier> jussi01, just add $(RM) commands for all the files you don't need out of upstream's debian/ dir, and modify the read
[09:17] <WorkingGeier> *rest
[09:30] <soren> Wow... mailman seems to be in a good mood today.
[09:32] <ajmitch> hello soren
[09:33] <soren> 30 seconds from my e-mail to ubuntu-motu hit my mail server, got sent to the Ubuntu mail server, went through mailman, and landed back in my inbox. O.O
[09:33] <soren> ajmitch: Good morning, Andrew.
[09:33] <ajmitch> wow
[09:33] <Burgundavia> hey soren
[09:33] <\sh> 30 seconds is too much ,-)
[09:33] <soren> Burgundavia: 'Morning, Corey.
[09:33] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: been enjoying your little trip?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> oh indeed
[09:34] <soren> Burgundavia: You don't look too happy on that photo :)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I am happy
[09:34] <Burgundavia> just "concentrating"
[09:34] <soren> Oh. :)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> like I said, I was working hard
[09:35] <soren> True, true.
[10:14] <RAOF> Building Eclipse should not take 2Gb of ram
[10:19] <StevenK> Hah
[10:20] <StevenK> There's one package I tried to build here, and g++ was taking up 1.3Gb of RAM and did nothing for 2.5 hours
[10:21] <TheMuso> lovely
[10:27] <RAOF> So, building eclipse very nearly exhausts 2GB of ram + 1.5Gbb of swap.  Java is sooooo awesome
[10:28] <StevenK> Hah
[10:50] <guardian> hmm hello, what's the command line to apply a patch to an original package ? on packages.ubuntu.com i can download .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz
[10:50] <guardian> i've never done that
[10:50] <guardian> should it uncompress them first ?
[10:50] <guardian>  /s/it/i
[10:51] <asisak> guardian: dpkg-source -x .dsc
[10:51] <asisak> guardian: or you simply "dget proto://pa/th/filename_version.dsc"
[10:51] <guardian> cool thx
[10:52] <guardian> hmm strange, i can't connect to http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/allpackages
[10:54] <asisak> guardian: try to get the package via apt-get source or get it as well as you got .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz
[10:54] <man-di> asisak, guardian: dget -x ....
[10:55] <man-di> guardian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is down, it seems
[11:00] <guardian> so dget -x http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/section/package.dsc  ?
[11:00] <guardian> once packages.ubuntu.com is up off course
[11:01] <guardian> or course
[11:02] <asisak> guardian: you can use any of the mirrors inbetween
[11:02] <asisak> (any = any that has the necessary file)
[11:13] <guardian> asisak: where could i have the mirror list  of packages.ubuntu.com please ?
[11:13] <asisak> I would use a sources.list entry and apt-get source instead
[11:13] <guardian> you mean mirrors like fr.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[11:13] <guardian> k
[11:18] <asac> hi! anyone geeky enough to run gutsy + compiz?
[11:18] <geser> asac: yes
[11:18] <asac> geser: do you see firefox bug
[11:19] <\sh> is it already working with ati cards and xinerama?
[11:19] <asac> geser: aka not-properly repainted during minimize/maximize?
[11:20] <asac> geser: i think during resize of main window it should happen too ... but not sure
[11:20] <guardian> do you recommend to make the full package description 80 columns wide ?
[11:21] <geser> asac: I see no problem with firefox
[11:21] <asac> guardian: wasn't that 70 columns?
[11:21] <asac> geser: wait a second i'll try to find the bug
[11:21] <guardian> i don't know, maintainer guide says 60 columns for the short dfescription
[11:21] <guardian> but says nothing for the long description
[11:22] <asac> geser: its bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/113086
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113086 in firefox "Enabling Desktop Effects, some part of firefox and thunderbird windows are black for few seconds when I deminimize them." [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:22] <asac> geser: can you look if you see that
[11:22] <asac> ?
[11:23] <asac> guardian: try to use long lines and run lintian/linda ... iirc it complains if they are too long
[11:23] <asac> ... and says you what maximum columns it expects
[11:23] <guardian> asac: do you use 70 ?
[11:24] <asac> yes ... but that might be wrong :)
[11:24] <asac> its been a long time when i adapted that habit ... might have changed ... might have never been right ;)
[11:26] <geser> asac: I see no such problem
[11:26] <asac> geser: can you try thunderbird?
[11:26] <asac> according to summary it should be more visible there
[11:26] <asac> geser: what kind of effects are enabled?
[11:26] <asac> do you have minimize/maximize effects?
[11:28] <geser> I haven't thunderbird installed
[11:29] <geser> I've animations enabled (and set zoom for minimize)
[11:30] <geser> I'll try the minimize effect plugin
[11:31] <asac> geser: thanks
[11:31] <asac> geser: should be reproducible ... e.g. makes sense according to compiz devs
[11:31] <geser> no difference with the minimize effect plugin
[11:32] <asac> i think the bug is for a short period after unminimizing
[11:32] <asac> do you have any animations during unminimizing?
[11:33] <asac> or maybe if you minimize a normal sized window ... and then maximize directly (e.g. with right click on the task-bar -> Maximize)?
[11:34] <geser> still nothing
[11:36] <asac> damn
[11:37] <geser> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31218/ that's the compiz packages I've installed
[11:38] <geser> I've a ATI Radeon 9800pro and I'm using the free radeon driver
[11:39] <LucidFox> how do I replace the install prefix for CMake?
[11:40] <geser> I use also compiz on my notebook with Intel 915 graphics and don't remember seeing problems in firefox
[11:40] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[11:40] <asac> geser: hmmm thanks for testing
[11:45] <asac> geser: have you tried thunderbird? can you do so please?
[11:55] <geser> asac: can't reproduce it with thunderbird either
[12:11] <asac> geser: ok thanks
[12:12] <NeilW> Morning all. Anybody available yet to look at a REVU package?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> smc (0.99.6-2ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low
[04:44] <Hobbsee>   * Rebuild for libcegui-mk2-0c2a -> libcegui-mk2-1 transition.
[04:44] <Hobbsee>   * Remove libcegui-mk2-dev from the Depends.
[04:44] <Hobbsee>   * Munge Maintainer field as per spec.
[04:44] <Hobbsee>  -- Steve Kowalik<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:32:38 +1000
[04:44] <Hobbsee> StevenK: why the removal?
[04:46] <StevenK> I think the -dev was libcegui-mk2-1-dev
[04:46] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smc/+bug/118308
[04:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118308 in smc "missing dependency for smc" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:46] <StevenK> I think it was done so I could upload a fixed libcegui-mk2 and everything else at the same time and have everything hit DEPWAIT rather than failing to build.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ...right
[04:48] <StevenK> Actually, sorry, I misunderstood.
[04:48] <StevenK> It removed it because I thought I was being clever.
[04:48] <StevenK> It turns out from that bug, smc uses dlopen(). The bastards.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> asisak: that openbox change - why not get all the patches accepted in debian?
[04:53] <guardian_> geser: because data files are different for en_GB and en_US and i'm about to create data packages for my application
[05:03] <LucidFox> how do I "properly" create a transitional package?
[05:03] <soren> Carefully
[05:04] <LucidFox> if I just add a package with an empty .install file whose sole dependency is some other package, it still contains a usr/share/doc directory
[05:10] <soren> LucidFox: They always do.
[05:14] <geser> guardian_: can't it be detected at runtime?
[05:21] <guardian_> no unfortunately not
[05:42] <geser> guardian_: what about multi-user system where one user prefers en_GB and other en_US? does the programm work for both?
[05:42] <guardian_> yes
[05:43] <guardian_> anyway, i named my package foo-data-en-gb and foo-data-en-us
[05:44] <geser> looks sane
[05:51] <LucidFox> What is "not-binnmuable-any-depends-all"?
[05:52] <AndyP> LucidFox: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tnot-binnmuable-any-depends-all.html


[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[07:21] <ajmitch> & geser :)
[07:21] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[07:24] <geser> Good morning dholbach, good evening ajmitch
[07:25] <dholbach> hi geser
[07:25] <dholbach> blueyed, bdrung, did you get home alright last night?
[08:26] <gotwig> Hey, I would be pleased if someone can help me in packaging  my unity lens and scopes properly in one package, so its ready for USC. launchpad.net/lens-cooking . Its alredy packaged but with some sort of hacks, so it uses e.g absolute paths.
[08:30] <gotwig> al-maisan: hey
[08:31] <al-maisan> hello gotwig
[08:51] <gotwig> mhall119: hey
[09:02] <gotwig> please help :/
[09:34] <tumbleweed> ARB members: ^ I thought there was supposed to be an example package for lenses and scopes?
[10:13] <bdrung> good morning, dholbach. yes, and you?
[10:14] <dholbach> bdrung, yes - I guess it didn't take me as long :)
[10:14] <bdrung> dholbach: how long?
[10:17] <dholbach> bdrung, maybe 15m by bus - that's nothing compared to your bike ride :)
[10:18] <bdrung> k, 15m wouldn't even be possible with car
[10:18] <bdrung> i could have saved up to 15m if i would have taken the S-Bahn.
[12:40] <Kiall> Can anyone point me at a decent guide for how to make use of UCF in a package?
[12:41] <Kiall> Or - better yet - a simple example package that uses it?
[14:24] <tumbleweed> ScottK: re u-d-t bugs. do you do a lot of work on remote machines?
[14:29] <ScottK> tumbleweed: No, but I don't blindly give applications access to my LP account either.
[14:30] <ScottK> Since I'm an archive admin, giving an application maintained by non-archive admins blind access to my LP account is a priviledge escalation path.
[14:30] <ScottK> (yesterday's unicode bug happened in a chroot)
[14:30] <tumbleweed> fair enough. The new desktop-authorisation apporach to LP really doesn't help there
[14:32] <ScottK> I don't mind doing the authorization dance each time it's needed, but for --no-lp there's no need for it.
[14:32] <tumbleweed> I guess we need more than 4 levels of authorisation to solve that properly
[14:33] <tumbleweed> totally agreed re --no-lp
[14:33] <tumbleweed> I was just wondering why you seem to run into these issues more than anyone else
[14:33] <ScottK> Most people probably just click the 'have your way with me' button the first time it comes up.
[14:33] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:34] <ScottK> Also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue is the only page that still needs dgetlp, so I doubt it gets a lot of use.
[14:34] <tumbleweed> yes, you are probably one of the sole users of it
[14:34] <tumbleweed> err the sole
[14:35] <tumbleweed> have you raised these concerns with LP people? IIRC canonical people have two-factor authentication for SSO
[14:36] <tumbleweed> but the launchpad API is getting pretty powerful, and there's much less protection around it then there is around my gpg key
[14:36] <ScottK> No.  I haven't.
[14:37]  * tumbleweed adds it to the mental list of things to chat about over beer at UDSa
[14:48] <dupondje> Getting something merged/synced is WAY to late I guess ?
[14:48] <scott-work> i've been told there are some concerns about the ubuntustudio-default-settings package?  specifically about the inclusion of an *.svg
[14:49] <scott-work> i am very anxious and motivated to resolve this issue as soon as possible
[14:49] <scott-work> does anyone know about this situation?
[14:50] <tumbleweed> dupondje: no. Especially if it isn't on a CD
[14:50] <tumbleweed> dupondje: and if it's just bug-fixes, go ahead
[14:50] <dupondje> hmz :) cause in the current state its quite useless for me :)
[14:51] <dupondje> aka opensc :)
[14:51] <tumbleweed> !ffe|dupondje
[14:52] <dupondje> i'll spam doko first, he did some changed to it less then a day ago :) so
[15:39] <dupondje> tumbleweed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opensc/+bug/979986
[15:39] <dupondje> looks fine to you ? :)
[15:40] <tumbleweed> dupondje: summary of the new features, please
[15:47] <dupondje> added
[15:54] <tumbleweed> dupondje: approved
[15:55] <dupondje> thanks!
[16:31] <tumbleweed> ScottK: sorted
[16:31] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Cool.
[16:32] <tumbleweed> BTW, LP people have strongly encouraged everyone to login whenever possible, I seem to recall the anonymous API being described as "for web use, primarily"
[16:33] <ScottK> I can understand why they want it, but from a user perspective it's backwards.
[16:33] <ScottK> I should give out no more permissions that needed.
[16:33] <tumbleweed> yeah
[17:42] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Are you going to upload u-d-t again?
[18:10] <ukbeast> Does gnome-media-player work for anybody else on ubuntu 12.04 beta 2? I still receive a "segmentation fault"
[18:11] <ukbeast> Does it work for anybody else?
[19:38] <blair> svn 1.6.18 was released today with some repository corruption issues, how do i request an update from 1.6.17 to 1.6.18?
[19:38] <blair> for 12.04?
[19:41] <micahg> blair: today's final freeze, so you need to find someone to do the update, I'd suggest asking in #ubuntu-server since they have the most use from it
[19:41] <blair> micahg, thanks!
[19:42] <micahg> blair: that's only if it's bug fix only, if it's got features, it'll probably not fly at this point
[19:42] <blair> 1.6.x is the older active branch and 1.7.x is the active one, but they both neither get new features, just fixes
[19:58] <c_korn> hello, I have a package which build depends on xulrunner-dev in lucid. I now want to rebuild it in precise but there is no such package any longer. what is the correct dependency now?
[19:59] <micahg> c_korn: depends what you need it for, there's no gecko runtime for third party apps in precise, for NPAPI, use firefox-dev, for spidermonkey, use libmosjs185-dev
[19:59] <micahg> *libmozjs185-dev
[20:00] <c_korn> hum
[20:03] <c_korn> I'll try with firefox-dev,thanks micahg
[20:43] <tumbleweed> ScottK: there's time, we can.
[20:44] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Since you've been fixing my bugs, I'd like to see it.
[20:45] <tumbleweed> ScottK: if you have any dget patches...
[20:46] <ScottK> I don't.  I think I'll remember not to try dgetlp inside a chroot again.
[20:46] <tumbleweed> heh


[06:04] <bellamujia> join
[08:31] <DamionGans> Hey all, I'm excited to start with Ubuntu Studio! Do you guys have some special tips concerning first time users? :D
[10:01] <smoke123> hi
[10:03] <smoke123> I need to know what happened to the synaptic package manager in the new ubuntu studio?
[10:05] <smoke123> I don't know how to install openvpn
[10:23] <smoke123> hello?
[14:56] <sakrecoer> catbadger: i persoanly don't use VSTs.. but maybe it works with wine or something...maybe some are native. you can always ask those question in #opensourcemusicians if you find it too slow in here.
[14:57] <sakrecoer> any question that isn't ubuntu studio specific that is, otherwise they might just send you back obviously.. :)
[15:13] <catbadger> thank you
[20:22] <Quantos> Hi guys, first time user to Ubuntu Studio
[20:22] <Quantos> It looks really good, but I have a problem that I can't quite figure out on my own
[20:23] <Quantos> My monitors are reversed for what they display
[20:23] <Quantos> I tried playing around in display properties but I didn't get anywhere with it
[20:29] <sakrecoer> Quantos: are you using nvidia drivers?
[20:29] <Quantos> I think I described that wrong, the displays aren't reversed, it's the display 1 and display 2 settings that are reversed
[20:29] <Quantos> I have intel HD 2500 on this old beast
[20:31] <Quantos> So instead of moving the mouse to the left to get to Mon 2 I move it to the right, the opposite of what it should be
[20:37] <Quantos> I tried something, it didn't work
[20:46] <sakrecoer> Quantos: in the display netry in "settings manager" do you see your both screens? you should eb able to click-n-drag one screen to position it in relation to other
[20:46] <Quantos> Wow, that was easy really, I had to turn off one display to get the other to become the primary
[20:47] <sakrecoer> s/netry/entry
[20:47] <Quantos> Yes, I could sakrecor
[20:47] <Quantos> Thank you for your time and energy, I really appreciate it
[20:47] <Quantos> I have it fixed the way I want it
[20:49] <Quantos> But thank you for your time sakrecoer
[20:49] <sakrecoer> :) well, you did all the work, just happy it end up like u wanted it :)
[20:50] <Quantos> I'm really surprised that anything I would try would work, I've been running around in circles with it
[20:51] <Quantos> Thought for sure that I'd disqualified myself from the capability of fixing it my self
[20:51] <Quantos> But you did give me a good hint with the nvidia driver
[20:51] <Quantos> I switched to the intel one
[20:51] <sakrecoer> if you use the nvidia driver you need to set this in the "Nvidia X server settings"
[20:52] <sakrecoer> Quantos: ^
[20:52] <Quantos> I think that I need an nVidia GPU to use that though
[20:52] <sakrecoer> Quantos: yes, indeed
[20:55] <Quantos> Well, thanks for the help sakrecoer, I hope that you have a good day
[20:55] <sakrecoer> Quantos: :) thanks! i'm having a good night, but i feel you're thought and wish you the same!
[20:59] <sakrecoer> Quantos: when ever you are ready, feel free to share your work with us :)
[20:59] <Quantos> Okay, will do


[00:59] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[01:40] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[02:07] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[02:53] <nimbiotics> Hello evry1. I was playing a game (armagetron) and when I exited the game my desktop went to the lowest possible resolution (480x something). I tried changing it, but now I cant' even see my desktop, I use ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce. Can someone please help me get my desktop back? Thanks!
[02:59] <OvenWerks> nimbiotics: what video card are you using
[03:00] <nimbiotics> OvenWerks: nvidia ge force 9600
[03:00] <OvenWerks> Are you using the nvidia drivers or the free drivers?
[03:00] <nimbiotics> but my box is dual boot and I'm right now using windoze
[03:00] <nimbiotics> OvenWerks: yes i am
[03:01] <OvenWerks> I think you meant yes you are using the nvidia drivers?
[03:02] <nimbiotics> OvenWerks: yes i am using the nvidia drivers
[03:02] <OvenWerks> I know a lot less about those, as I use the free omes. But the normal thing is to remove the config file
[03:03] <OvenWerks> So you would use the nvidia utility to set resolution?
[03:03] <nimbiotics> which config file?
[03:03] <OvenWerks> Thats what I am not sure of... Can you get to the login screen?
[03:06] <nimbiotics> yes, but there is only 2 options for the session: ubuntu studio & xfce and they both behave the same
[03:07] <OvenWerks> Thats ok. the thing to do is to create a new user.
[03:07] <OvenWerks> At the loging screen you can hit control/alt/f1 to get to a terminal.
[03:07] <nimbiotics> can I do it from login screen?
[03:08] <nimbiotics> i meant create a new user
[03:08] <OvenWerks> You can log in at therminal and look at the config files or create a new user from there.
[03:12] <nimbiotics> will try
[03:13] <OvenWerks> either useradd or adduser should work
[03:16] <OvenWerks> adduser works better
[03:16] <holstein> nimbiotics: thats from a virtual terminal
[03:17] <OvenWerks> holstein: I think we missed him
[03:21] <OvenWerks> holstein: the problem is, once the problem is repaired, playing a game again will cause the same problem.
[03:22] <OvenWerks> I don't know much about the non-free drivers at all... besidews they don't work for my old card.
[03:27] <holstein> OvenWerks: he was double posting...
[03:27] <OvenWerks> #xubuntu?
[03:27] <holstein> #ubuntu
[03:28] <holstein> im sure it'll get sorted out... :)
[17:41] <Guest79344> When I log into ubuntustudio (13.04) my speakers pop about 10 times. Is there a way to prevent this?
[17:42] <holstein> Guest79344: maybe just turn the volume down til its booted up
[17:45] <Guest79344> Yes during boot up it also pops about three or four times. And every time I start an application that plays sound such as a flash movie online, a OGG file in the browser, switching between audacity and ardour
[17:45] <Guest79344> holstein, That would work but I was hoping there might be a way to prevent it happening in the first place
[17:46] <holstein> Guest79344: the device vendor could likely help alsa with suppport
[17:46] <holstein> Guest79344: thy the main #Ubuntu channel.. try searching whateverthe output of aplay -l is
[19:22] <hemega> hello
[19:22] <laekrits> hemega (o:
[19:23] <hemega> hi laekrits
[19:28] <hemega> I want to know if you can load only the dash of unity in ubuntu studio?
[19:40] <zequence> hemega: Don't think you could. Probably quite tied in with Unity.
[19:41] <zequence> it's probably possible to separate it, but the best place to ask is probably on a unity related channel
[19:41] <zequence> I mean, in code, it's probably quite possible to separate it, and make it its own application
[19:56] <hemega> I understand. you know if there is a similar application that can integrate to the bar?
[20:22] <nimbiotics> Hello all. I'm using ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce + compiz + nvidia drivers. They seemed to be getting along for like a month but yesterday, after playing armagetron, my display resolution was down to 800x600. I tried to put it back to 1028x768 but all I did was freeze my desktop. I tried to log out and rebooting but I just did not have a desktop. Finally FatalPriapism @ #ubuntu told me to...
[20:22] <nimbiotics> ..."killall -9 compiz" and at least I got my desktop again. Problem is that I have to killall every time I log in and even worst than that; I cannot get a better resolution than 800x600, when I try it goes to 640x480. Can someone please help me get my desktop right again? TIA!
[20:52] <nimbiotics> Hello all. I'm using ubuntu studio 13.04 with xfce + compiz + nvidia drivers. They seemed to be getting along for like a month but yesterday, after playing armagetron, my display resolution was down to 800x600. I tried to put it back to 1028x768 but all I did was freeze my desktop. I tried to log out and rebooting but I just did not have a desktop. Finally FatalPriapism @ #ubuntu told me to...
[20:52] <nimbiotics> ..."killall -9 compiz" and at least I got my desktop again. Problem is that I have to killall every time I log in and even worst than that; I cannot get a better resolution than 800x600, when I try it goes to 640x480. Can someone please help me get my desktop right again? TIA!
[21:26] <Guest79344> nimbiotics, did the problem start after a kernel update?
[21:26] <angel> how can i do a hotspot in ubuntu studio?
[21:27] <Guest79344> angel, You want to connect to WiFi?
[21:27] <angel> yes too
[21:27] <Guest79344> or share your wifi connection?
[21:27] <nimbiotics> Guest79344: I had done an update, earlier, but did not check what it was. Now, the problem started right after playing armagetron
[21:27] <angel> i'm new one
[21:28] <Guest79344> angel, Do you see up and down arrows in top right of screen?
[21:28] <Guest79344> Click on it and select the modem you want to connect to
[21:28] <Guest79344> modem/wifi
[21:28] <angel> i have ubuntu studio i want conect wifi then a do hotspot to my ipad too
[21:29] <Guest79344> angel: Were you able to connect to wifi yet?
[21:29] <angel> i need it to trasmit my concert to www.stageit.com
[21:29] <angel> no
[21:29] <Guest79344> angel, did you see the arrows yet?
[21:29] <angel> th
[21:29] <angel> yes i try to set it but never connects me
[21:30] <Guest79344> does it give an error message? What steps you do and what happens?
[21:30] <angel> no, i did everything that happens to with ubuntu 12.10
[21:30] <angel> i saw them
[21:31] <Guest79344> angel, You'll need to be more descriptive.
[21:31] <angel> i create one wifi bu never connect me
[21:31] <angel> i created a wifi network but never connect me i have a mini router tplink
[21:32] <angel> i put password and never connect me
[21:32] <Guest79344> So you selected the existing WiFi from the list?
[21:32] <angel> do not apperaed nothing to see
[21:33] <angel> the wifi and cable must be connect automatic
[21:33] <angel> no list
[21:33] <Guest79344> angel, is wifi on?
[21:33] <angel> i think go back to windows it's easy but i like ubuntu
[21:34] <Guest79344> You might need to unplug the ethernet cable in order to connect to wifi. I think I've had to do that on Windows.
[21:34] <Guest79344> Maybe the same on ubuntu
[21:34] <angel> ubuntu it's very complicated to connect wifi many people are suffering the same i'm not expert
[21:34] <angel> yes then i can chat with you
[21:35] <Guest79344> angel, sorry I'm not following?
[21:35] <Guest79344> Yes to what?
[21:35] <angel> i disconected but no wifi i think is a fail of ubuntu studio all my collegues suffer same things
[21:35] <angel> ok
[21:36] <angel> no list no wifi, i did all i can do
[21:36] <angel> that's why i'm asking other day i come here someone was very rough with me
[21:39] <angel> ok no solution i'll go then
[21:45] <Guest79344> Where should I report bugs for Ubuntu Studio?
[21:46] <Guest79344> For example on a  clean install of Ubuntu Studio 13.04 There are duplicate items for "Online Accounts" under the settings menu
[21:48] <angel> yes i had to do a clean installation beacuse update from ubuntu 12.10 it's a mess
[21:49] <angel> what happens with ubuntu studio , we can't connect wifi
[21:50] <angel> many people have the same problems that i have i'm not expert
[21:50] <Guest79344> I don't see a link to the bug tracker for Ubuntu Studio. Do they not have one?
[21:50] <angel> i'm only a pro musician
[21:51] <angel> i haven't
[21:58] <angel> hay alguien que habla español?
[21:59] <DarkEra> Guest79344 bugs are reported on launchpad
[22:00] <DarkEra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio
[22:00] <angel> i think will be an update soon thanks
[22:02] <angel> i need connection to my record label studio if someone to know me better www.youtube.com/ethnosonics/videos
[22:04] <Guest79344> Thanks DarkEra. I filed the report:
[22:04] <Guest79344> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/1196336
[22:10] <Guest79344> Also reported issue from other day:
[22:10] <Guest79344> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/1196339
[22:43] <Guest79344> Is there a way to increase the size of the window edge that allows resizing
[22:43] <Guest79344> ?


[12:24] <coreycb> beisner, hello, can you promote all of liberty-proposed to liberty-updates please?
[12:37] <coreycb> zul, i'm looking at the nova mitaka backport failure
[12:38] <zul> coreycb: openstackclient needs a newer heatclient i just havent gotten to it yet
[12:38] <coreycb> zul, ok
[12:39] <zul> coreycb: MIRs have been filed as well
[12:40] <coreycb> zul, awesome thanks
[12:41] <coreycb> zul, ddellav: let's focus a little extra CI time this week to get ocata CI stabalized
[12:41] <zul> coreycb: yep yep
[13:15] <zul> coreycb: heatclient uploaded
[13:28] <beisner> hi coreycb - ok looking now
[13:45] <ddellav> coreycb ok
[13:53] <beisner> coreycb, liberty proposed->updates complete re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619452
[13:54] <coreycb> beisner, thanks!
[13:54] <beisner> coreycb, yw sir
[14:42] <ddellav> coreycb did we drop keystoneauth1 from cinder control for some reason?
[14:42] <ddellav> q:q
[14:57] <coreycb> ddellav, not that I know of.  it looks like we should have it for stable/newton+.
[14:58] <ddellav> coreycb i thought so. Also, I'm seeing the weirdness with test failures in cinder due to the version number again. It doesn't like the dev308 suffix
[14:59] <coreycb> ddellav, want to file a bug and do an sru for the keystoneauth1 dep?
[15:00] <ddellav> coreycb sure
[15:01] <coreycb> ddellav, thanks
[15:12] <teward> the server team is meeting today right?
[15:16] <xnox> +/- 1h; given the UK vs US timezone brainsplit
[15:22] <rbasak> teward: also many people are out today, so I'm not sure there's any point holding the meeting. I'll be there though, so we'll see.
[15:23] <rbasak> France and Germany (at least) have a public holiday today, and others are at a Canonical sprint.
[15:34] <zul> coreycb: ping
[15:37] <coreycb> zul, hi
[15:37] <zul> coreycb: why do we run mysql-server in the autopkgtest for neutron?
[15:39] <coreycb> zul, prob because we use mysql (not sqlite) in production
[15:40] <zul> bah yeah...mysql-sever is failing to start on s390
[15:40] <coreycb> zul, hmm
[15:40] <coreycb> zul, any idea what the failure is?
[15:41] <zul> coreycb: no clue http://paste.ubuntu.com/23411966/ ;)
[15:44] <coreycb> zul, one way to debug if you can't get an s390 instance is to add some temporary debug to the autopkgtest or dump log files via autopkgtest, then:
[15:44] <coreycb>  https://bileto.ubuntu.com (open ticket, upload to ppa, build via ticket, then you must 'lander approve' before autopkgtests get queued up)
[15:44] <coreycb> but getting an instance would be quicker..
[15:44] <ddellav> coreycb zul new dependency for designate: monasca-statsd
[15:45] <ddellav> pkg does not yet exist
[15:45] <zul> coreycb: yeah im on one :)
[15:45] <coreycb> zul, oh.. well run the script manually then
[15:45] <zul> ddellav: yep...the is license issues with monasca-statsd upstream
[15:46] <zul> coreycb: yeah runs fine if mysql is running :)
[16:00] <skulltip> i just bought a USB N300 wireless adapter, but i realize i'm running the server, not the gui of 16.10.. how do i 'connect' and put in my wifi password
[16:00] <phre4k> hey guys, I have a 14.04 server, is it "pretty safe" to upgrade with do-release-upgrade -m server? We have a holiday here so I don't want to drive in, but it's not that big of a hassle. If the chance is only 50% that anything goes wrong I'd take it.
[16:01] <phre4k> skulltip: I'd use nmcli, is that installed?
[16:02] <phre4k> skulltip: else just install desktop Xubuntu or the like, it takes only a few minutes to do so
[16:02] <nacc> phre4k: i assume you have console access etc/
[16:03] <skulltip> that's the thing phre4k.. it isn't installed but my main ethernet onboard connector is hosed. when i plug it into my router, at random it locks up all my connections and i have to pull all the wires and reboot my modem to free it up.
[16:04] <phre4k> skulltip: well, install networkmanager then *before* it locks up
[16:05] <phre4k> nacc: yes, currently SSH but I could KVM. And I could just walk to work in 15min but it's cold
[16:05] <nacc> phre4k: i meant physical console access (serial console) -- just in case something does go wrong; ssh relies on things still working :)
[16:05] <nacc> phre4k: i expect that upgrade should mostly just work, but there's always corner cases
[16:06] <phre4k> nacc: KVM is kind of a console, isn't it
[16:06] <phre4k> we don't have serial, only networked KVM (LightsOut)
[16:07] <nacc> phre4k: ah ok
[16:07] <RoyK> phre4k: iLO should work well
[16:08] <RoyK> (only problem with it is it's infested by buggy java unless something has changed dramatically the last months)
[16:12] <phre4k> nothing changed, it's still horrible Java, but one of our engineers coded a nice wrapper around it
[16:12] <phre4k> we're trying to convince our boss to open source it
[16:12] <Pici> heh
[16:13] <phre4k> okay, please label me "officially dumb". I just made a fuss about upgrading…
[16:13] <phre4k> … a goddamn LXC container m(
[16:15] <nacc> phre4k: :) i guess just goes to how convincingly system-like they are :)
[16:39] <phre4k> at some point I'm rerouting our internal network so we connect to an external DC and nobody will notice it
[16:40] <phre4k> the "cloud" is frightening :D
[17:20] <teward> rbasak: was merely curious, just had a tidbit on nginx to add, but it can wait to next meeting
[17:21] <rbasak> teward: OK, thanks!
[17:38] <zul> ddelav/coreycb: i got os-vif and os-brick
[17:45] <donu7> Hello, I'm needing help with a ubuntu dns server (named/samba)
[17:45] <teward> donu7: specifics are useful
[17:45] <teward> though not sure what 'samba' has to do with named
[17:45] <teward> (aka 'bind')
[17:46] <donu7> I'm trying to keep it succinct, english isn't my native language
[17:47] <donu7> i'm running 14.04 with zentyal. from what I can tell, bind is the actual service running/processing authoritative dns requests. The issue is, I'm looking at the tables in /etc/bind and I'm not finding any records for a few dns hosts on a neighboring subnet
[17:49] <donu7> So, I'm trying to figure out where those records are being kept. If they're not in /etc/bind/ then where should I look? I've tried Zentyal support and came up empty so I'm hoping I can get some clues on where else to look
[17:49] <sarnold> try lsof to see if the files are held open
[17:50] <sarnold> if not, fatrace may show you open/read/close calls for the process
[17:50] <dberube> Hello I'm trying to figure out how I can remove an additional IP address that was added to the loopback interface without restarting the server. I'm running 16.04 (upgraded from 14.04) If I comment out the three lines for lo:1 and do an ifup -a the IP will still be active until I restart the server. Here's the output of /etc/network/interfaces https://gist.github.com/dberube1/86ced90a276a7c533cb64b02a72067c9
[17:50] <donu7> I see, I've not heard of fatrace ty sarnold does this channel have a paste.it ?
[17:51] <teward> dberube: ip -4 addr del IPADDR/CIDR dev lo
[17:51] <donu7> nvm^ found the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:51] <teward> dberube: that'll 'remove' the IP address from the device's "IPs Assigned" but you should consider a reboot eventually if services are trying to bind to that IP at all
[17:52] <dberube> thanks teward
[17:53] <donu7> here's a a gist of `lsof -i :53` http://paste.ubuntu.com/23412596/
[17:53] <teward> dberube: you also need to make sure that whatever's adding that IP at boot is not going to in the future
[17:53] <teward> so you aren't running that command every day :P
[17:54] <teward> s/day/time/
[17:54] <donu7> I suspect that there's additional dns records stored in /var/lib/samba/private/dns/*.ldb but I've no idea how to access those -- this is where I tried zentyal support but again, came up empty
[17:55] <phre4k> just installed docker.io but there's no command "docker", what am I doing wrong?
[17:55] <phre4k> wtf. Nevermind, now it suddenly works.
[17:56] <dberube> teward: I'm actually writing a playbook with ansible to manage the anycast addresses for my load balancers
[17:56] <teward> not sure if anycast needs special configuration, dberube, just saying
[18:00] <coreycb> beisner, hi can you promote nova and nova-lxd from mitaka-staging to mitaka-proposed please?
[18:00] <coreycb> zul, cool thanks
[18:05] <coreycb> zul, i'll get osc-lib and os-win
[18:06] <zul> coreycb; ack
[18:22] <skulltip> ok how do i change my previously defined static IP for the hardware ethernet port, so i can make the wireless one the same #
[18:35] <coreycb> zul, jamespage, ddellav: I'm going to start backporting a bunch of stuff to the ocata cloud archive where we have deltas vs xenial for openstack deps
[18:37] <coreycb> it looks like all of the oslos have been backported already
[18:53] <coreycb> zul, jamespage, ddellav: nevermind, looks like that's already been done.  my report is just out of date.
[18:54] <coreycb> Ursinha, hi would you be the right person to ask if we can enable http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/ocata_versions.html ?
[18:55] <Ursinha> coreycb: not really :/ I created that project long ago but haven't touched it in at least three years
[18:55] <coreycb> Ursinha, ok np :)
[19:54] <skulltip> i got a n300 usb adapter wireless to connect to my router, but it doesn't seem to be working. the green light on the usb is on, but i cant ping the gateway.
[19:55] <beisner> hi coreycb - nova and nova-lxd promoted to mitaka-proposed
[20:08] <skulltip> it's a RaLink RT5372