[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> no. but at least it creates that .ssh folder
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> you can add yourself to auth keys
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> but only do that if it didn't work with your apt update
[17:01] <tomreyn> C-developer: this is not an official ubuntu installation ISO, so we cant help
[17:01] <theTOOLMAN> if it is prod, don't leave your own key in the authorized_keys file
[17:02] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: turtlebot is a robot simulator for ros (robotics operating system)
[17:02] <theTOOLMAN> oh that sounds fun
[17:03] <proudmickeymouse> did both cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  AND  apt update.. its still throwing "ls: cannot access '/home/*/.ssh/a*': No such file or directory"  when i try reinstalling lynis as a test
[17:03] <theTOOLMAN> wish i could find a good circuit emulator that allows me to also throw an arduino with code on it in
[17:03] <theTOOLMAN> did you do that ssh-keygen as root or the user?
[17:03] <proudmickeymouse> both
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> cat /etc/passwd | grep user
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> and tell me what the home folder is
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> replace user with your username
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> i got no idea what that output is  :::: == >>>>hplip:x:119:7:HPLIP system user,,,:/var/run/hplip:/bin/false
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> oh
[17:05] <theTOOLMAN> thats not the user you log in as is it?>
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> ku:x:1000:1000:ku,,,:/home/ku:/bin/bash
[17:06] <proudmickeymouse> ku is the username
[17:06] <theTOOLMAN> df -h /home/ku
[17:06] <proudmickeymouse> thats just disk free command
[17:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN>  but it tells what disk that folder is mounted as
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> i'm just going through my troubleshooting steps
[17:07] <proudmickeymouse> hmm.. not sure how thats helping .. sda6
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> mount | grep sda6
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> just going through my file not found steps
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> you could always do in one terminal journalctl -f and in another, do your apt install links
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> and see if anything comes up in journalctl
[17:08] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: here is a screenshot of my issue when installing turltebot on ubuntu: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46696183/installation-of-turtlebot-on-ros-lunar
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> also look at what it is installing / updating / removing
[17:09] <theTOOLMAN> C-developer: i'd love to help you but i'm not about to go and learn a new stack of software
[17:09] <theTOOLMAN> i'm still trying to get my stuff working
[17:09] <tomreyn> C-developer: yuo're not installing this on ubuntu, you're installing it on some EOL version of frankenbuntu
[17:10] <theTOOLMAN> lololol
[17:10] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: I understand!!
[17:10] <pavlos> C-developer: you need to add a line in your sources.list
[17:10] <C-developer> pavlos: what line?
[17:10] <pavlos> C-developer: see http://wiki.ros.org/lunar/Installation/Ubuntu
[17:11] <pavlos> C-developer: section 1.2
[17:14] <AlexPortable> Is it bad to do a dist upgrade?
[17:15] <AlexPortable> as in versus reinstall;
[17:15] <compdoc> no, you should do it
[17:15] <compdoc> otherwise, you wont get kernel updates
[17:16] <CookieM> I prefer dist updates than upgrades, upgrades can sometimes with video drivers or cause other unexpected errors
[17:16] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you should NOT use apt(-get) dist-upgrade to do a release upgrade, however
[17:17] <AlexPortable> why not?
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: because that is not the upgrade path (do-release-upgrade is)
[17:17] <AlexPortable> whats dist-upgrade then
[17:17] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: because do-release-upgrade is there for this purpose and handles it better
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: there are some cases apt cannot solve on its own and will leave your system in a bad state
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: no, it's not.
[17:17] <C-developer> pavlos: thanks for your help. But I run that line before your suggestion when installing ros. I restarted my os and still having same issue when I run  step 1.22 on this page: http://wiki.ros.org/turtlebot/Tutorials/indigo/Turtlebot%20Installation
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: sorry, misread your sentence
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade, except apt is allowed to remove packages in order to upgrade things
[17:18] <proudmickeymouse> coookieM, how does one do dist update and not dist upgrade /
[17:18] <proudmickeymouse> ?
[17:18] <nacc> AlexPortable: see `man apt-get`
[17:18] <nacc> CookieM: 'dist update' is nonsense ?
[17:19] <AlexPortable> he meant dist upgrade
[17:19] <pavlos> C-developer: after you added that line and did an update, it should look into the ros ppa. You should be able to install just one package to test.
[17:19] <tomreyn> "I prefer dist upgrade than upgrades" doesn't make sense either
[17:19] <nacc> AlexPortable: what tomreyn said :)
[17:19] <C-developer> pavlos: will do
[17:20] <pavlos> C-developer: section 1.3 adds the key, 1.4 does the full install
[17:20] <CookieM> nacc, you get updates almost everyday, no?
[17:20] <nacc> CookieM: yes
[17:21] <C-developer> pavlos: yes i am doing the full-desktop install
[17:21] <Vic2> back with the desktop icon issue and Wine ... wine people indicate that the issue is a Unity bug.  So to test, please advise me how to change desktops from Unity to Gnome in 16.04 ...
[17:21] <pavlos> C-developer: sudo apt update should show that it looks into the ros ppa
[17:22] <pavlos> C-developer: are you on 16.04 ?
[17:22] <C-developer> pavlos: yes i am in 16.04
[17:23] <zzh> Which package contains libcublas? cuda1 apparently doesn't.
[17:25] <eperalta> hi there
[17:27] <C-developer> pavlos: I seems like it should work but not sure what i am doing wrong. here is my test with installing one package: sudo apt-get install ros-indigo-turtlebot Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ros-indigo-turtlebot
[17:29] <Guest83414> hello, motherboard gigabyte setted to ide ubuntu 17.10 , boots, if i change from ide to ahci first time boots then stops at splashscreen
[17:30] <pavlos> C-developer: I will test it on my system later today
[17:31] <compdoc> Guest83414, I think it should just work. But maybe you need to set legacy booting
[17:32] <C-developer> pavlos:  alright i'll reboot. I just installached apache2 '$ sudo apt-get install apache2'. Not sure why the issue is with turtblebot packages
[17:33] <zzh> nvidia-cuda-dev apperently. Do we have a version that comes with a newer libcublas 9.0?
[17:33] <tomreyn> pavlos: you noticed that the first step of the how-to C-developer seems to have followed is to install an iso they host which may be a modified (and EOL) ubuntu 14.04.2 iso (or something else entirely)?
[17:35] <forester> HI. Is it possible to use a Synaptic package manager in Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04?
[17:36] <jeremy31> forester not using wayland without a workaround
[17:36] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | forester
[17:38] <Vic2> Question ... can I change desktop environments without logging out/rebooting?  Or do I have to close all my work and start fresh?
[17:38] <jeremy31> forester the workaround in wayland is at https://askubuntu.com/questions/614387/gksu-gtk-warning-cannot-open-display-0
[17:40] <tomreyn> Vic2: logout / login it is
[17:42] <Vic2> ok was hoping tomreyn ... thanks
[17:43] <Azure_Chaos> Anyone using the new beta? How stable is it compared to debian testing?
[17:43] <leftyfb> !bionic | Azure_Chaos
[17:44] <Azure_Chaos> ok i asked in there thanks
[17:49] <forester> jeremy31: Thank you.
[18:17] <pavlos> C-developer: if you read this, I tested the instructions from the link I gave you and it installed ros-lunar-desktop on 16.04. You asked about ros-indigo-turtlebot but this is not in the repository.
[18:20] <pavlos> C-developer: seems I installed the ros-lunar but you wanted the ros-indigo ... I will look it up.
[18:23] <pavlos> C-developer: ROS Indigo ONLY supports Saucy (13.10) and Trusty (14.04) for debian packages ... the reason you can't find it in 16.04
[18:34] <dabba> pragmaticenigma, are you around by chance?  Just wanted to let you know that changing the time at which that script is executed did resolve the issue.
[18:34] <agasus> Hey.. All...
[18:35] <UserUS> Hey.. You....
[18:35] <agasus> Any Danish in here?
[18:36] <sharksauce> Ate the last one a few minutes ago, sorry
[18:36] <agasus> Hahaha...
[18:36] <sharksauce> (sorry)
[18:36] <ducasse> !dk | agasus
[18:37] <agasus> Takker...
[18:38] <pavlos> tomreyn: found that ros-indigo not available on 16.04 hence the error ... thx
[18:40] <estan> hi folks. i might be going insane. i'm helping test out a package from bionic-proposed. i noticed that some files listed in the installed file list (dpkg -L libblosc-dev) wasn't present after installation.
[18:40] <estan> so i grabbed the .deb to have a look at it. can anyone explain this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DGrGjbfjcV/ ?
[18:41] <estan> i'm listing the contents of the .deb, which clearly shows a bunch of files destined for /usr/share/doc/libblosc-dev/examples, but upon installing the .deb with dpkg -i, those files are not there :/
[18:42] <kostkon> estan, testing it on 18.04? then you need #ubuntu+1
[18:42] <TJ-> estan: remove the leading .   ... that is in the package paths only so it can be used relatively... when installed that is prefixed with the root path
[18:43] <TJ-> estan: as in "ls -l /usr/share/doc/libblosc-dev/examples/"
[18:44] <estan> TJ-: bah sorry, that was just a mistake while i was redoing the steps to create the paste.
[18:44] <estan> TJ-: the file really isn't there: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FMDjsJmypY/ (here using the absolute path)
[18:44] <estan> kostkon: ah alright, i'll ask in there.
[18:47] <cristian_c> hi
[18:48] <cristian_c> I've inatalled dropbox in 16.04, but I notice icon/indicator is not shown on my panel
[18:49] <cristian_c> so, I cannot know if/what dropbox is syncing
[18:50] <zox_box> any chance anyone here happen to love troubleshooting a dell perc 5i raid 5 array in LTS 12.04? or should/do I need to update to 14.04 first?
[18:50] <cristian_c> in pkace of dropbox icon, I see a fake icon on my panel, but it doesn't return either tooltips or menus by left/right clicking on this fake icon
[18:50] <jeremy31> cristian_c You could log in at dropbox.com and see
[18:50] <cristian_c> *ple
[18:51] <kostkon> cristian_c, what do yu mean fake icon?
[18:51] <cristian_c> jeremy31: this is the first time I've experienced this issue, because previous ubuntu releases have not this dropbox issue
[18:51] <jeremy31> I don't use dropbox syncing anymore, I use github
[18:52] <cristian_c> kostkon: I can publish a screen, but it's  not essentially an icon, as if there was not an icon
[18:52] <cristian_c> and so, a placeholder icon is shown
[18:53] <kostkon> cristian_c, you mean an icon with a stop sign or just empty space?
[18:54] <cristian_c> the first one, but it's not astop symbol
[18:55] <kostkon> cristian_c, have you tried restarting it or maybe just logging out
[18:56] <cristian_c> kostkon: J made some attempts, but so I should kill dropbox from task manager and launch it from command line
[18:56] <cristian_c> and I've also to logout and login
[18:57] <cristian_c> but really, this issue always happens
[18:57] <cristian_c> I've to make mthese two tests, btw
[19:03] <Vic2> So I have installed the Gnome desktop environment to troubleshoot my Wine problem ... now HOW do I get back to where I started with Unity???  Gnome changed grub ... will it fix itself the next time a new kernal is released, or do I have to resort to reinstalling the OS completely?????
[19:03] <yonaikerlol> Hello
[19:04] <dabba> Vic2, reinstalling the OS entirely is the nuclear option - usually not needed if you can identify the root of the problem... do you want to keep gnome and use unity as default?
[19:05] <dabba> yonaikerlol, hi- have a question for the channel?
[19:06] <yonaikerlol> Nop.
[19:06] <dabba> k
[19:08] <jeremy31> stevendale please /join #linuxmint
[19:08] <zox_box> anyone have experience with raid5 on a perc 5i card using megacli in 12.04LTS?
[19:09] <zox_box> its an old array, but has started slowing way down on reads
[19:12] <SimonNL> stevendale: on freenode
[19:12] <Thedarkb> I'm trying to install dhcp3 but there's no installation candidate.
[19:12] <Thedarkb> What alternative should I use?
[19:12] <Thedarkb> I assume dhcp3 is deprecated if there's no candidate.
[19:14] <Adran> isc-dhcpd?
[19:14] <sudosmurf> how would I install a specific kernel version?
[19:14] <Thedarkb> Adran, Thanks man.
[19:15] <jeremy31> sudosmurf > sudo apt-get install linux-image-{version}-generic
[19:15] <sudosmurf> jeremy31, rad
[19:16] <sudosmurf> dat worked
[19:16] <jeremy31> sudosmurf or you could search in Synaptic Package Manager
[19:16] <sudosmurf> yeah, I did an apt-cache search and found the headres
[19:16] <sudosmurf> headers
[19:16] <sudosmurf> wasn't sure if it was that or something else
[19:16] <jeremy31> installing the image should pull the headers as a dependency
[19:17] <sudosmurf> awesome
[19:34] <theTOOLMAN> hey anyone can help me with installing the nvidia driver?
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> their output from their installer doesn't help much
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> tells me that afer building the kernel modules that it can't
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> load the kernel modules
[19:35] <Ben64> don't use their installer
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> this is pissing me off
[19:35] <jeremy31> what kernel?
[19:36] <Ben64> the nvidia drivers are in the ubuntu repositories, that's the best way to get them
[19:36] <theTOOLMAN> Linux tbox 4.4.0-116-generic #140-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 12 21:23:04 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:37] <fabiobik> hello how do i add this to java JRE running in ubuntu?
[19:37] <fabiobik> -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:37] <fabiobik> java is binding ipv6 ports instead ipv4
[19:38] <Ben64> fabiobik: add it to the command line of whatever runs it
[19:38] <fabiobik> Ben64: doesnt run
[19:39] <Ben64> ?
[19:39] <fabiobik> -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true: command not found
[19:39] <Ben64> it's not a command, it goes with 'java'
[19:39] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN was everything else updated before installing the Nvidia?  There is a bug report on nvidia in that kernel because of retpoline
[19:40] <theTOOLMAN> what do you mean by "everything"
[19:40] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive tried like this: java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:40] <jeremy31> gcc-5 for one, Is this 16.04
[19:40] <fabiobik> iand its not working too
[19:40] <Ben64> fabiobik: elaborate
[19:41] <fabiobik> Ben64: it does not work
[19:41] <fabiobik> this should be enviroment flags of java right?
[19:41] <Ben64> well i can't help you if you don't explain things
[19:42] <theTOOLMAN> fuck tthat just installed unity. this is why i didn't want to install from apt
[19:42] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1750937
[19:42] <fabiobik> Ben64: maybe u dont understand what i need
[19:42] <Ben64> theTOOLMAN: software & updates -> additional drivers -> nvidia
[19:43] <Ben64> fabiobik: you don't understand how to ask for help
[19:43] <fabiobik> Ben64: i thought i was clear... I need to aply this flag to java JRE -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:43] <fabiobik> and im asking how to do it
[19:44] <Ben64> and so was i, add it to the command line that runs java
[19:44] <fabiobik> that was just as i did
[19:45] <Ben64> you do know i can't see your screen, right? would probably help if you explained more
[19:45] <fabiobik> Ben64: maybe its a syntax error
[19:45] <TJ-> fabiobik: each Java program usually has a shell script to launch the Java VM, so options such as you want either need adding to each launch script or setting in the environment JAVA_OPTS
[19:45] <fabiobik> TJ-: okay. Im trying to use Elasticsearch
[19:46] <fabiobik> and i start the program using service elasticsearch start
[19:46] <TJ-> fabiobik: if you need it to affect all applications add it (for per-user) in $HOME/.profile as an "export JAVA_OPTS="..." or system-wide in /etc/profile
[19:46] <fabiobik> where i could find the script that service use?
[19:48] <Ben64> fabiobik: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/modules-network.html
[19:48] <TJ-> fabiobik: location of a service startup script depends in which init daemon is in use. If it's sysv-init compatible then in /etc/init.d/
[19:50] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive been there
[19:50] <Ben64> well that shows how you can configure it to listen on a specific interface and ipv4 only
[19:51] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive done that
[19:51] <fabiobik> Ben64: still binding ipv6...
[19:51] <Ben64> then you probably did it incorrectly
[19:51] <Ben64> do you not want ipv6 at all, or do you only care if ipv4 works
[19:52] <fabiobik> http.host: _eth0:ipv4_ http.port: 9200
[19:52] <theTOOLMAN> ipv6 should wait to be implemented... just like wpa3
[19:52] <fabiobik> Ben64: i want to ipv4 works
[19:52] <fabiobik> Ben64: i dont care if ipv6 is working too
[19:53] <Ben64> then it's probably already listening on ipv4
[19:53] <fabiobik> Ben64: is not
[19:53] <Ben64> how do you know
[19:53] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp
[19:53] <fabiobik> https://www.dropbox.com/s/os7fpsuwpedxlts/Screenshot%202018-03-13%2019.53.37.png?dl=0
[19:53] <fabiobik> Ben64: please see
[19:54] <Ben64> that doesn't mean anything
[19:54] <Ben64> use nmap to see if the port is open
[19:54] <TJ-> fabiobik: I think the leading/trailing underscores are supposed to be quote marks and *NOT* used in the config, e.g. NOT  http.host: _eth0:ipv4_   but  this http.host: eth0:ipv4
[19:54] <Ben64> it's also "network.host"
[19:55] <Ben64> tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      -
[19:55] <TJ-> oh, no, I'm wrong, it does show underscores  in the Special Values
[19:55] <Ben64> is the only listing i have for port 80 listening, but it is listening on both ipv4 and ipv6
[19:56] <TJ-> fabiobik: so what Ben64 spotted  network.host: _eth0:ipv4_
[19:56] <Ben64> pretty sure it's already listening on ipv4 anyway though
[19:57] <choki> stevendale: hey
[19:57] <choki> :D
[19:57] <choki> stevendale: <3
[19:58] <stevendale> Hi choki <3
[19:58] <stevendale> !ot | choki
[19:59] <fabiobik> Ben64: im trying to access it by the vps ip and the port
[19:59] <fabiobik> on the browser and nothing happens
[19:59] <fabiobik> so im pretty sure that ipv4 is not working
[19:59] <Ben64> what port
[19:59] <fabiobik> 9200
[19:59] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp | grep 80
[19:59] <fabiobik> the thefault
[19:59] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp | grep 9200
[20:00] <fabiobik> root@alpha:~# netstat -lnp | grep 9200 tcp6       0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:9200       :::*                    LISTEN      6841/java
[20:00] <Ben64> so that's the ip?
[20:00] <choki> stevendale: join #linuxmint on freenode pls :3
[20:00] <fabiobik> yeah
[20:01] <Ben64> comes up as being filtered, so check your firewall(s)
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> lol i hope you have some kind of firewall up
[20:01] <TJ-> fabiobik: Ben64 yeah, firewalled
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> but it is definitely listening
[20:01] <fabiobik> i cant get a response
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> elastic should never be behind edge
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> even if you curl http://localhost:9200?
[20:02] <fabiobik> inside the machine yes
[20:02] <Ben64> check firewall
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> yeah def firewall
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> iptables?
[20:03] <fabiobik> ufw
[20:03] <theTOOLMAN> if you're going to open it, i suggest only opening it to machines that you want to talk to it
[20:03] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise shodan will be all over your elastic instance
[20:03] <TJ-> Well it is elastic... so it will stretch :)
[20:03] <fabiobik> ahahh
[20:04] <TJ-> until it goes Twang!
[20:04] <fabiobik> i thought that i should query in client side
[20:04] <fabiobik> directly
[20:04] <theTOOLMAN> well you need to specify your clients
[20:04] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise hackers will be your clients
[20:04] <fabiobik> XD
[20:05] <fabiobik> shit
[20:05] <Ben64> hackers are always your clients
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> unless you implicit deny all explicit allow specific client
[20:05] <fabiobik> great...
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> nginx load balancer with ip access control or credential based access control
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> if you really must have elastic on the edge
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise some hacker somewhere is gonna introduce you to his friend bobby drop tables
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> ';
[20:06] <r00b> Hey guys, I have a lamp stack on a Ubuntu VM running on virtualbox. I set up an apache virtualhost called 'webserver.dev' how do I access it from my host os?
[20:07] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: what port is it set to listen on?
[20:07] <r00b> 80
[20:07] <fabiobik> theTOOLMAN: thanks for the explanation
[20:07] <fabiobik> Ben64: thanks for the efforts
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: curl http://localhost:80
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> or if its set to be a vhost for a domain name, put in your hosts file mydomain <IP_ADDRESS> and then doo curl http://mydomain
[20:09] <r00b> but how can I have it setup so that when I enter 'webserver.dev' into my host os browser, it will point to vhost on vm
[20:09] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: hosts file or dns
[20:09] <theTOOLMAN> my.domain i.p.a.d.d.r
[20:13] <TJ-> r00b: if the VM has avahi service installed you don't need to edit hosts; the name should be discovered by multicast-DNS... on host use "avahi-browse -a" to check if the host can see the VM (once the VM is running avahi-daemon) - do ensure in the VM it's /etc/hostname is set to "webserver.dev"
[20:13] <rh10> guys, ubuntu 1604. unity desktop. after switch windows, using super + w (or ctrl + super + w) terminal (gnome-terminal, out of box in ubuntu) occasionally frosen. how can i fix it?
[20:13] <rh10> frozen*
[20:14] <demu> rh10 amd or intel?
[20:14] <rh10> demu, intel
[20:15] <rh10> demu, integratel video
[20:15] <rh10> integrated*
[20:15] <rh10> annoying thing at all
[20:16] <demu> I'm having same issue
[20:16] <rh10> demu, did you try different terminal emulator?
[20:18] <rh10> strange, why canonical doesn't properly tested their de...
[20:19] <demu> no, stock ubuntu. Gnome. I'm on 17.10
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> unity
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> such a joke
[20:21] <cristian_c> kostkon: I've floowed your tips, no results
[20:22] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN There are other DE's and other Linux OS's
[20:22] <demu> rh10: I think it's a kernel panic my keyboard is lit up with a wave animation and when this happens the wave is stuck mid way through the keyboard.
[20:25] <demu> rh10: how often does it happen to you?
[20:25] <demu> for me it can go weeks without incident
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> jeremy31: i use lxdm/gdm with xfce4
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> i love xfce4
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> but there is also gnome, kde, plasma, mate, lxde, openbox, and a few others
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> and for dm, theres also kdm, sddm, lxdm, gdm
[20:27] <jeremy31> I use LM18 and Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity, 17.10 with defaults
[20:27] <jeremy31> and Cinnamon
[20:27] <theTOOLMAN> i always start with ubuntu 16.04 server and build up
[20:28] <AlexPortable> How do I choose session to use on GDM?
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> the little gear on the bottom right by the login button
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable:
[20:28] <AlexPortable> there is no gear, only cancel and sign in
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> hmmm weird
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> i have a little gear next to my login button
[20:29] <AlexPortable> https://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/login-screen.png
[20:29] <lordcirth_work> How can apt get 'No route to host' when I can curl the repo Release file?
[20:29] <theTOOLMAN> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:30] <theTOOLMAN> see if theres a route to that
[20:30] <jeremy31> AlexPortable Is that after a log out?
[20:30] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: is it inside a container?
[20:30] <AlexPortable> yes
[20:30] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, no
[20:30] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: thats the lock screen. you need to log all the way out
[20:30] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: although slightly different, it says 'sign in' instead of 'unlock'
[20:30] <lordcirth_work> theTOOLMAN, yes, I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>.
[20:30] <jeremy31> And its 17.10?
[20:30] <AlexPortable> 18.04
[20:31] <AlexPortable> with some changes to it
[20:31] <AlexPortable> rather 17.10 and 18.04 merged together
[20:31] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: is there an apt proxy cache on the LAN?
[20:31] <demu> AlexPortable: yup I also noticed that the gear disappeared after the announcement of 18.04 will be X11 by default not sure it that's a coincidence.
[20:31] <theTOOLMAN> hmmm
[20:31] <theTOOLMAN> i guess i'm fine sticking to 16.04
[20:31] <AlexPortable> demu: and clue how i can edit it in the config files?
[20:31] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, good question, how do I check? (big LAN)
[20:31] <jeremy31> AlexPortable you might want to ask on #ubuntu+1
[20:32] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: nobody replying there
[20:32] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: well if it is something like squid-deb-proxy or apt-cacher-ng they advertise using multicast-DNS... try "avahi-browse -a"
[20:33] <jeremy31> AlexPortable also try ubuntuforums.org there is a special subforum for the development version
[20:33] <demu> AlexPortable: not sure how to do that, sorry :(
[20:33] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: well how would i change it in 17.10 in the config files/
[20:33] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, command not found.  This is Server 16.04 btw.  Also squid-deb-proxy-client isn't installed
[20:33] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: also check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ in case there's a file with 'proxy' in it's name
[20:34] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, nope
[20:34] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: then you need to add some debug options to apt to find out what is happening... I'd suspect it's an IPv4 vs IPv6 issue
[20:34] <jeremy31> AlexPortable I am not sure if that can be done or if 17.10 would have to be a new install
[20:34] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, disabled IPv6 for apt already - had that before.  I'll look into debug flags
[20:35] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: possibly "-o Debug::Acquire::http=true"
[20:37] <rh10> demu, sorry for delayed answer. well, how often... probably 1 time on 5 switches, smth like so
[20:38] <AlexPortable> anyone else knows how to change gdm config files to set the default login session?
[20:38] <rh10> demu, how often at you,
[20:38] <rh10> ?
[20:38] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, apt update output with that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vr5f2T39vH/
[20:39] <demu> once every 2 weeks or so
[20:39] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: i'm looking for that for you
[20:40] <theTOOLMAN> lol i'm digging through archwiki which has way better answers than ubuntu wiki
[20:40] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: I don't see any host not found's there
[20:40] <theTOOLMAN> if i had to guess, it'd be in /etc/gdm3.
[20:40] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, line 103
[20:40] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: yep im there, but no idea how to include my session
[20:41] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, and yet, I can curl that exact link from the same box
[20:41] <demu> rh10: I though initially it was amd related but since you are on install that cant be right
[20:41] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: That's not apt, that's a proxy at the other end!
[20:41] <demu> install/intel
[20:41] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: the remote HTTP server is reporting HTTP/1.1 500 Connection failure
[20:41] <rh10> demu, got it
[20:42] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: that infers the host is a proxy and it is failing to contact the true destination server behind it
[20:42] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, ah, just noticed, I didn't realize it was an HTTP code.  Ok, so why would a server throw 500 when apt connects and not curl?
[20:43] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, and, I've had this with the ksplice and the Ubuntu partner repo! Which are presumably not correlated
[20:43] <lordcirth_work> Hmm, maybe firewall mangling?
[20:43] <demu> rh10: it it happens on 18.04 I will report it. once it's out officially
[20:43] <demu> s/it/if
[20:43] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: the returned header shows there's a proxy: Server: Debian Apt-Cacher NG/0.9.1
[20:44] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: most of those are hitting the apt-cacher-ng proxy
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: looks like they toook it out
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> you might have to use a new dm
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> lxdm lets me choose
[20:45] <rh10> demu, i dont think it will be happer on 18, there is gnome as default. i stil' think it's about de unity issue
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> then again i'm on 16.04
[20:45] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well thats what im trying to do
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> lxdm is my fallback
[20:45] <AlexPortable> in lightdm i could just choose another desktop manager
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> sddm isn't bad
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> but its kde
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> and kde is big and bulky
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> like jahva
[20:45] <AlexPortable> how do i make lxdm default login manager?
[20:45] <demu> it happens when I'm on 17.10 Gnome
[20:46] <Ben64> AlexPortable: you're on 18.04 though, right?
[20:46] <AlexPortable> Ben64: yeah
[20:46] <AlexPortable> sortof
[20:46] <Ben64> so... you gotta go to #ubuntu+1
[20:47] <AlexPortable> kinda merged two versions together, where should i be then?
[20:47] <Ben64> ##linux
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> lololol
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/session-user.html
[20:47] <jeremy31> I wonder if this is still an issue with gdm https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112688
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable:
[20:47] <AlexPortable> why does ubuntu keeps removing features
[20:48] <theTOOLMAN> because they want us to all go back to arch/debian/genroo
[20:48] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well it's in `/usr/share/xsessions/` yes
[20:48] <rh10> demu, got it. i thought you are on unity
[20:48] <AlexPortable> "Will be fixed in the next kdebase-workspace package." 2011-02-06
[20:48] <AlexPortable> after installing lxdm i now get a commandline and no gui
[20:49] <demu> rh10:nope, gnome. I think we will be stuck with this issue :( we can only hope it works it self out
[20:49] <theTOOLMAN> systemctl start lxdm
[20:49] <theTOOLMAN> does that do anything?
[20:49] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, found it, someone other than me apparently did configure apt-cacher-ng in /etc/apt/apt.conf (not even using .d grr)
[20:49] <AlexPortable> authenticating asks me to login
[20:49] <AlexPortable> authentication is required to start lxdm.service, after logging in == authentication complete ==
[20:50] <AlexPortable> switching to tty7 helped
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> ahhh
[20:50] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: :D
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> did you start it as you or root?
[20:50] <rh10> demu, i think, i'll switch to xfce de. dont like that issue. not handy at all
[20:50] <AlexPortable> me
[20:50] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: typical isn't it!
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> rh10: i love xfce
[20:50] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, grep -r, my fav debugging tool...
[20:50] <rh10> theTOOLMAN, cool de, agreed
[20:51] <demu> rh10: I can live with it for now. you are the first person I've run into that has this issue. It possible it specific to our systems
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> i would love to get cinnamon/mate working
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> but i just don't have time
[20:51] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: it'd be helpful if apt debug showed the proxy server it is using
[20:51] <lordcirth_work> very
[20:51] <rh10> demu, probably. btw, what's vga in your system?
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> me?
[20:52] <AlexPortable> how can i get a taskbar with text on ubuntu?
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> in xfce?
[20:52] <demu> rh10: GeForce 1080
[20:52] <demu> Nvidia
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> demu: niccce
[20:52] <Guest19650> hi
[20:52] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN Cinnamon works fine from the repos in 16.04.  Haven't tried in 17.10
[20:52] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: in default ubuntu
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i just installed a 710
[20:52] <rh10> demu, got it. im using intel integrated vga
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: a taskbar?
[20:52] <tcafe> reset
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> in your terminal or in xfce?
[20:53] <tcafe> hi
[20:53] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well do you know windows xp?
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> i do
[20:53] <tcafe> reset my computer
[20:53] <tcafe> hey
[20:53] <AlexPortable> it has a taskbar on the bottom with what i have open, left bottom corner menu to get to applications, right bottom corner t ime and notifications and whatnot
[20:53] <demu> theTOOLMAN: just dropped $2500 on my new rig. wife not happy
[20:53] <tcafe> who is thisn __
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> demu: damnnnn
[20:53] <tcafe> helpp !!
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i went to the computer junkyard the other day
[20:53] <AlexPortable> tcafe: help with what?
[20:54] <tcafe> how csn i reset ubunto linux system _
[20:54] <AlexPortable> what do you mean reset?
[20:54] <theTOOLMAN> someone took them all the equipment from the renderfarm at the football stadium for the jumbotron
[20:54] <theTOOLMAN> got me a 24 core 48gb ram dual socket machine for $200
[20:54] <tcafe> which cht is this_ omg
[20:54] <tcafe> where iam __
[20:54] <tcafe> wtf
[20:54] <AlexPortable> tcafe: you are in #ubuntu on irc
[20:54] <tcafe> woow
[20:55] <tcafe> i never be here befor
[20:55] <tcafe> hehe
[20:55] <tcafe> i just get som old computer
[20:55] <tcafe> whit ubunto systse
[20:55] <AlexPortable> nice
[20:55] <tcafe> helpp_
[20:56] <tcafe> cn i use this chat on windows too-â
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: so you're trying to get a similar taskbar in xfce?
[20:56] <lordcirth_work> tcafe, please don't use Enter as punctuation.  Did you have a question?
[20:56] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: nah in ubuntu
[20:56] <demu> theTOOLMAN: never liked buying used PC parts. Never had a good experience.
[20:56] <AlexPortable> the interface 'ubuntu'
[20:56] <lordcirth_work> tcafe, yes, look up "IRC clients"
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: you mean gnome or unity?
[20:56] <tcafe> what_â
[20:56] <AlexPortable> gnome i think
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> demu: you should see all the equipment i got
[20:56] <tcafe> i have levo
[20:56] <tcafe> vo
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> including a new thinkpad
[20:56] <Ashley_> Hi all, complete Linux newbie here and looking to install Lubuntu on an old HP laptop. So I already installed using a usb stick created with Rufus (installed from within the Try without installing). I then chose to dual-boot but I don't see a choice upon reboot. Is this not possible?
[20:57] <tcafe> ubunto is pool
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> lol dualboot
[20:57] <tcafe> not good sysyte â
[20:57] <tcafe> windows better
[20:57] <demu> One time got a used HD. Then found out it was 5 years old. hummm..
[20:57] <tcafe> alooo_
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> Ashley_: did it not run grub-install?
[20:57] <tcafe> can i use this chat on windows _-
[20:57] <Ashley_> No idea
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i got a used 512g ssd for $10
[20:57] <tcafe> i mean hex chat
[20:57] <Ashley_> Remember...newb
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> ahhhh newbs should do bare metal not dual boot
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> dual boot is for those who understand grub
[20:58] <demu> that a good deal. even if it fails in year
[20:58] <tcafe> ur from ashly_---------
[20:58] <Ashley_> Yeah well I don't want to wipe out Windows just yet
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> virtual box?
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> not scared to take the leap?
[20:58] <tcafe> Ashlyeeyyyâ
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> i always install ubuntu from a dvd. not too thrilled with the usb stuff
[20:59] <Ashley_> theTOOLMAN: Why did you lol at dualboot?
[20:59] <tcafe> i need help
[21:00] <tcafe> mohammad
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> because noobs who don't understand one OS are going to have a problem with 2 os
[21:00] <tcafe> habibi kefa
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> tcafe: whats your problem?
[21:00] <tcafe> my pr is ubnto
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> what is a pr?
[21:00] <tcafe> pr problem
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> what about ubuntu?
[21:01] <tcafe> how to reset ubonto
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> reinstall it from scratch
[21:01] <tcafe> whit out cd or usb
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> yeah, you're probably sol on that
[21:01] <tcafe> how to back to windows
[21:01] <tcafe> 7_
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> hahahahahahahaha
[21:01] <tcafe> hshaahahahah
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> you need an iso of windows 7 to burn on a cd to install
[21:01] <tcafe> pusssy
[21:01] <tcafe> lesten bo
[21:01] <tcafe> ilove you
[21:02] <tcafe> lesten bro
[21:02] <tcafe> lesten
[21:02] <tcafe> plz
[21:02] <Ashley_> tcafe: It's 'how do I go back to Windows?'
[21:02] <theTOOLMAN> 8[21:02] <tcafe> yes
[21:02] <tcafe> bach windows
[21:02] <tcafe> ur from-
[21:02] <tcafe> ur from-
[21:02] <theTOOLMAN> download windows 7 iso, burn to disk, and install it
[21:02] <AlexPortable> Ashley_: don't mind him
[21:02] <tcafe> tnx for help
[21:03] <tcafe> can use the hex chat on windows too
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> no. ubuntu chat is for ubuntu
[21:03] <tcafe> HEHE
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> #garbage is for windows
[21:03] <tcafe> OK TNX
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> oh well bye everyone
[21:03] <tcafe> BYE
[21:03] <tcafe> GUYS
[21:04] <theTOOLMAN> finally
[21:04] <theTOOLMAN> dude was getting annoying
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: you find the answer yet?
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> i don't know how to make taskbars in gnome
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> thats why i dont use it
[21:13] <AlexPortable> nope
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: i think they're trying to push us away from ubuntu
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> got to big]
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> time to cool it down some
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> lets hand ourselves over to M$
[21:15] <theTOOLMAN> and lets start taking their customizability away from them
[21:15] <theTOOLMAN> they'll be happy to use emerge instead of apt
[21:16] <gary-busey> hello everybdy!!! I cant believe I Lost my nickname password, iveused it for DECADES.... JUST DO /ns info ridisk and you'll see
[21:16] <gary-busey> but anyway,l i have an issue
[21:16] <AlexPortable> ridisk is not registered.
[21:17] <gary-busey> no
[21:17] <gary-busey> ripdisk
[21:17] <gary-busey> wih a p
[21:17] <gary-busey> ripdisk
[21:17] <gary-busey> its registered for 11 yearsnow
[21:17] <gary-busey> ANYWAH0
[21:17] <gary-busey> i neeed a bit of help
[21:17] <gary-busey> itseems ubuntu haschanged a bit
[21:17] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[21:17] <AlexPortable> 'a bit' hehe
[21:17] <gary-busey> wellll, you see... ihave an old version onthis compuer
[21:17] <theTOOLMAN> thats what i was just saying
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 10.04?
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 12.04?
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 14.04?
[21:18] <gary-busey> willy warefwul
[21:18] <gary-busey> f
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> i'm on 16.04 so that can't be old
[21:18] <gary-busey> willy warewulf
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> jeez i don't know the code names
[21:18] <gary-busey> i'm using 15.10
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> oh haah i'm on xenial
[21:18] <gary-busey> ANYWAY, here's m question:
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> so you must be on 14.o4
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> cat /etc/lsb-release
[21:19] <AlexPortable> Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> ahhhh
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> ok
[21:19] <gary-busey> wha is the process to upgrade from 15.10 to the new one?
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> so i'd recommend an upgrade to 16.04 and hang on tight
[21:19] <gary-busey> or a new-er one
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> do-release-upgrade
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> if it's still supported
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> which i don't think it is
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise you'll get 404's and 403's
[21:20] <gary-busey> so, there's no way to just upgrade from terminal?
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> do-release-upgrade
[21:20] <gary-busey> jeez thats like windows stff
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> but when they go out of support, they knock out the mirrors for apt
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> thats why you stick with lts
[21:21] <gary-busey> ok, do-release-pgrade is doin' something
[21:21] <TJ-> When a release goes End-Of-Life the archives are moved en-bloc to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ so a simple edit of apt's sources.list allows updates prior to a do-release-upgrade
[21:22] <TJ-> !eol | gary-busey
[21:22] <theTOOLMAN> TJ-: thats good to know. maybe i can finally upgrade artistx!
[21:23] <theTOOLMAN> we just missed 420
[21:23] <TJ-> and do-release-upgrade was 'taught' how to deal with that situation without manual intervention, from 16.04 I think it is
[21:32] <demu> I've just installed a test machine of 18.04. I've also set it up so when I type apt it asks have you checked snap. my quest is if you move to 18.04 will you try using snap more? and it this good a idea?
[21:32] <demu> question
[21:33] <theTOOLMAN> demu: what is snap?
[21:33] <demu> lol (sorry about all the typos)
[21:34] <theTOOLMAN> all this weirdness you guys keep talking about, i'm ready to just move back to gentoo
[21:34] <theTOOLMAN> emerge install xfce4
[21:35] <demu> I remember when installing gnome was a 13 hour endeavor on gentoo.
[21:36] <demu> this is like 10+ years back
[21:36] <demu> maybe 15
[21:36] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[21:37] <theTOOLMAN> i think my total thinkpad build is about 2 hours now
[21:37] <demu> lol feel so old now :(
[21:38] <theTOOLMAN> 15 years ago i was messing around with mandrake on madnriva or something like that
[21:38] <theTOOLMAN> come a long way
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> now my three mains are ubuntu, gentoo, and centos
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> though i do have a ton of free/net bsd
[21:39] <demu> I remember mandrake, only OS that supported my CD drive :)
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> hahaha
[21:41] <theTOOLMAN> i'm surprised at how laptop stable ubu has become
[21:41] <theTOOLMAN> i run it on both of my thinkpads
[21:42] <stevendale> I need to fix Ubuntu dock
[21:42] <stevendale> Hi, Ubuntu 16.04.4 icons won't disappear from dock
[21:42] <stevendale> How do I restart the launcher?
[21:42] <theTOOLMAN> stevendale: unity or xfce?
[21:42] <stevendale> Unity
[21:43] <theTOOLMAN> ehhh can't help you there
[21:43] <stevendale> I'll just logout and see if that fixes it
[21:43] <theTOOLMAN> when in doubt, reboot
[21:44] <demu> Must say love the minimal install. don't use libreoffice and nice to see it not update all the time.
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> i always start from a server image
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> and i do install libreoffice
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> because libredraw is life
[21:47] <demu> Have OneDrive account and use the Microsoft Office web thingy. So I don't have a need for it.
[21:48] <theTOOLMAN> blehh
[21:48] <theTOOLMAN> but i will say, the one M$ product i like is onenote
[21:50] <gary-busey> so is this upgrade taking me allthe way to the new one or just the next version after the one ih ave
[21:51] <demu> theTOOLMAN: it does the job for me. works well with my workflow and I'm mostly in terminal and atom anyways. these days I pretty much just care about my workflow and not whats hip.
[21:52] <demu> oddly enough thats way I came back to ubu ;)
[21:52] <demu> s/way/why
[21:54] <GeyGuuuu> Does anybody know any web-based file manager who supports mouse input?
[21:55] <demu> GeyGuuuu: like electron app?
[21:56] <demu> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/jumpfm-electron-file-manager
[21:56] <demu> and electron is a chromium based app so html/javascript
[21:57] <tomreyn> gary-busey: depends on what you are upgrading from / whether you changed the target from the default.
[21:57] <tomreyn> by default, lts releases upgrade to lts releases only, and non-lts releases upgrade to whatever is next
[21:58] <demu> GeyGuuuu: unfortunately its a keyboard driven app but it might support mouse
[21:59] <GeyGuuuu> demu yeah, would really like mouse, its only for cleaning upp harddrive after torrentfiles on the server
[22:00] <demu> ohh, this is a headless server you want to connect to and have a gui. Am I understanding this correct?
[22:00] <GeyGuuuu> yeah
[22:01] <sveinse> I have installed 4.16.0-041600rc4-generic from kernel-ppa/mainline (I think) on my 17.10. I notice that my gnome now use wayland, while the old rc 4.15.0-041500rc9, use Xorg and the nvidia driver. Is there a driver or config that I might be missing?
[22:02] <sveinse> TJ-: ^
[22:02] <theTOOLMAN> GeyGuuuu: why not just use ls/cd/rm/cp/mv?
[22:03] <orcus-de> GeyGuuuu:   connect from your local filemanager using sftp
[22:03] <tomreyn> demu: apparently there is http://cloudcmd.io/ https://www.tecmint.com/cloud-commander-browser-based-file-manager-for-linux/ - I would not recommend exposing file systems to the internet, though
[22:03] <fa0> Hello
[22:03] <sveinse> where does wayland put its log?
[22:03] <TJ-> sveinse: I guess that happens because the nvidia driver won't build against 4.16, so the system uses nouveau, which I presume Wayland is OK with
[22:03] <tomreyn> demu: what orcus-de  said
[22:04] <sveinse> TJ-: yes, makes sense. Since I cannot use any of the externals screens with wayland
[22:04] <GeyGuuuu> theTOOLMAN have just been using mc for so long
[22:04] <fa0> I'm playing around with 17.10, and trying to figure out the simplest/best way to prevent dns leaks with the networkmanager, while using openvpn, if anyone can please help? In the past, it was simple as comment out the dns line in the NetworkManger.conf, not sure, but it seems like things have changed in 17.10...
[22:04] <GeyGuuuu> just figured something new must have gotten to the tabel at this time
[22:06] <demu> GeyGuuuu: there are many solutions to your problem. Just be careful exposing file systems to the internet as tomreyn mentioned.
[22:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes i third not exposing things to a web client on the interwezzz
[22:07] <GeyGuuuu> demu yeah, nothing will get exposed to the internet, just allow list of local ip, and the sftp u need to login as root right?
[22:08] <rh10> demu, did you try xfce-terminal? im installed it, works fine. we both you and i using gnome-terminal
[22:08] <sveinse> No that isn't it. I have nvidia drivers under /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-384/kernel-.../ for the newest rc. So why doesn't it load it then I wonder
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> well shit i just came up with an idea since you want to do it that way
[22:08] <rh10> demu, can issue be in this?
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> sshfs on your local machine
[22:08] <tomreyn> GeyGuuuu: you don't *have* to, you login as whatever user you can / need to, limiting access to what this user can access. it's the same with the web apps: they can only provide access to what they already have access to, so the web server or application will need to run as root for full access.
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> and then use your gui file manager as if you were working on the remote machine
[22:09] <tomreyn> or go three times around the planet and back into your system and get the same as with local access just much slower!
[22:10] <theTOOLMAN> huh?'
[22:10]  * tomreyn was joking
[22:10] <GeyGuuuu> cloudcmd was alright tho
[22:11] <demu> rh10: considering how sporadic it is I feel like it could be anything. That's why I'm kind of ignoring it and hoping it goes away :/
[22:13] <sveinse> Just found a thread on nvidia dev lists that the nvidia driver isn't too fond of 4.16 yet. I'll just revert to 4.15 for now.
[22:13] <sveinse> Do we know at this point what kernel version 18.04 will use?
[22:13] <TJ-> sveinse: you can simply select to use the Xorg driver in gdm3.conf
[22:14] <TJ-> sveinse: 18.04 = v4.15
[22:14] <jeremy31> 4.15 is to be in 18.04
[22:14] <demu> 4.15
[22:14] <sveinse> got it guys :P
[22:15] <TJ-> sveinse: disabling Wayland: https://askubuntu.com/questions/975094/how-to-disable-wayland-in-17-10-in-gdm3-login-screen
[22:15] <sveinse> TJ-: thanks
[22:16] <demu> Not 100% sure but I think if you do a new install of 17.10 it defaults to X11
[22:16] <Jordan_U> TJ-: sveinse: My guess is that the lack of external monitors has nothing to do with Wayland vs Xorg and everything to do with nouveau vs proprietary driver.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> demu: 17.10 defaults to Wayland (where available) 18.04 will default to Xorg.
[22:17] <demu> sorry I was wong
[22:17] <sveinse> Jordan_U: yes, I found that my 4.16 rc kernel doesn't work with the nvidia driver, so it'll revert to nouveau. I can't answer why it selected wayland thou
[22:17] <demu>  echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE wayland
[22:17] <demu> Jordan_U: yup
[22:19] <sveinse> ooi, how volatile is 18.04 at this point? Is it stable enough to start experimenting with it, and perhaps use it? Or can there still be major breakings?
[22:19] <demu> Although I'm happy about this right now I can only imagine how dated 18.04 will feel in 2020
[22:19] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | sveinse
[22:20] <CodeBug> :)
[22:20] <CodeBug> when does 18.04 drop
[22:20] <CodeBug> I know its a loaded question.
[22:20] <demu> 5 years but 20.04 will be LTS
[22:20] <kostkon> CodeBug, why is it loaded?
[22:21] <CodeBug> so 2020 will be when 18.04 comes out?
[22:21] <CodeBug> that kinda sucks but i wanted to update to latest 17 from 16.04lts but am afraid of not alot of support
[22:22] <demu> 18.04 will come out next month and 20.04 will come out April 2020
[22:22] <CodeBug> oh cool.
[22:22] <demu> just think year.month
[22:22] <CodeBug> so i should go ahead and update to 17.10 and then wait till 18.04 comes out which wont be an LTS right?
[22:22] <tgm4883> 18.04 is an LTS
[22:23] <tgm4883> April of even years are LTS
[22:23] <demu> year.month and LTS on "even" years so 18 20 22 ...
[22:24] <demu> and LTS are always release in April
[22:24] <demu> btw I love that ubuntu does this. Make it so simple :)
[22:25] <demu> makes*
[22:25] <kostkon> CodeBug, you will be able to upgrade directly from 16.04 to 18.04
[22:27] <CodeBug> but I dont wanna wait :(
[22:28] <demu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:29] <demu> or build a time-machine ;)
[22:29] <theTOOLMAN> or just chill and wiatr
[22:29] <theTOOLMAN> wait
[22:30] <demu> weed is legal now, so it shouldn't be to hard
[22:31] <theTOOLMAN> i wish it was legal here
[22:31] <theTOOLMAN> until then, i have to hide my jar and not let cops come to my house
[22:32] <demu> lol I'm in colorado. one of the first states to legalize it
[22:33] <tomreyn> upgrades to 18.04 will probably not be available before july, though.
[22:33] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[22:41] <saitoh183> hi all
[22:41] <diogenes74> hi
[22:41] <demu> hi
[22:41] <theTOOLMAN> herro
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> i found out what broke my gdm/xfce
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> it was keychain
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> not sure why though
[22:42] <saitoh183> My machine is still on ubuntu 16.10 (forgot to swicth it )and now i cant install anything on it because it fails with errors to no source avaialbe....but i need ftp on it so i can backup my stuff so i can install a fresh supported version
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/792
[22:42] <nacc> !eolupgrade | saitoh183
[22:43] <saitoh183> yes i know
[22:43] <nacc> saitoh183: follow the instructions there to add the old-releases repository
[22:43] <nacc> saitoh183: then upgrade
[22:43] <theTOOLMAN> that url will tell you what to do
[22:43] <kostkon> saitoh183, backup and upgrade
[22:43] <saitoh183> what im affraid of is that if something goes wrong , my data isnt backup up (ovh server)
[22:44] <nacc> saitoh183: read what I wrote again
[22:44] <nacc> saitoh183: enable old-releases, install ftp, backup, then upgrade
[22:44] <saitoh183> yeah i tried to install ftp but still got errors and this is after i added old-release
[22:45] <saitoh183> i did this : sudo sed -i -re 's/([a-z]{2}\.)?archive.ubuntu.com|security.ubuntu.com/old-releases.ubuntu.com/g' /etc/apt/sources.list and then a apt-get update
[22:45] <nacc> saitoh183: well, it's impossible to help you without pastebin logs, etc.
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: taht is incorrect for security, as well
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: so, maybe, again, *read* the wiki page
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: and stop trying to script an already difficult thing
[22:46] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[22:46] <diogenes74> 2 1337 4 m3
[22:47] <nacc> saitoh183: i'm not intending to be rude, but you dismissed the help already given, and then did something incorrect.
[22:47] <saitoh183> im not...im just trying to state what i have done so far...never said i would check what you posted :)
[22:48] <demu> nacc: https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[22:48] <nacc> saitoh183: what you did was incorrect
[22:48] <demu> I think he is using this
[22:48] <nacc> demu: well, that's sad, since there is an official wiki page that documents the correct thing to do
[22:49] <nacc> doesn't need an AU article that is outdated :)
[22:49] <sveinse> I have a 4k HiDPI screen, so I had to install a much larger grub font using GRUB_FONT in /etc/default/grub. After the latest update (I'm on 17.10), I've started getting "double" windows in Grub. One with the original black background and small fonts, and the other with the ubuntu color and large font I've specified. Both alternating quickly when I'm changing menu items. Anyone seen this?
[22:49] <orcus-de> saitoh183: if ovh server is related to the provider ovh - they should have a backup-feature to create some snapshot you could just restore in case you break something
[22:49] <saitoh183> checking links...and will try again
[22:49] <nacc> orcus-de: good point; doing backups by hand in virtualized environemnts means you are doing something wrong :)
[22:49] <diogenes74> when is next lts release
[22:49] <nacc> diogenes74: release is april of this year
[22:50] <nacc> diogenes74: the upgrade from 16.04 will be available around july or so
[22:50] <theTOOLMAN> next month
[22:50] <dax> diogenes74: April 26th, assuming no delays
[22:50] <theTOOLMAN> and then 6 months till anyone adopts it hahahaha
[22:50] <diogenes74> lol cheers
[22:51] <saitoh183> orcus-de its SYS, if it was ovh.ca then i wouldnt be in this problem. SYS offers a free 100GB FTP accessible backup location that you can connect to only via the server. i didnt realise ftp wasnt install so i cant use it to backup my stuff till i can install ftp
[22:51] <theTOOLMAN> why are you using ftp?
[22:52] <theTOOLMAN> rsync is by far superior
[22:52] <theTOOLMAN> rsync -av user@remote.host:/path/to/folder /path/to/local/folder
[22:52] <saitoh183> because FTP is the only way they offer to get to the backup...not my choice
[22:53] <theTOOLMAN> so then how can you ssh in to install ftp?
[22:53] <demu> saitoh183: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:54] <saitoh183> SSH into server...ftp to backup server space via my server. it is not all on the same box
[22:54] <saitoh183> demu yeah looking at it now
[22:54] <theTOOLMAN> so why not just spin up a new instance?
[22:55] <saitoh183> new instance ?
[22:55] <theTOOLMAN> your server is at home?
[22:55] <theTOOLMAN> or in the cloud?
[22:56] <saitoh183> it is in a datacenter SoYouStart dedicated server
[22:56] <theTOOLMAN> so spin up a new instance with 16.04
[22:56] <theTOOLMAN> and attach your storage to it
[22:57] <saitoh183> this will wipe my data
[22:57] <saitoh183> which i need to backup first
[22:57] <theTOOLMAN> so the server and the backup are on the same machine?
[22:57] <saitoh183> no...the backup is not done yet
[22:58] <theTOOLMAN> and why can't you use rsync?
[22:58] <diogenes74> whats a good lightweight browser that isnt chrome
[22:59] <diogenes74> firefox sucks on this little machine
[22:59] <demu> diogenes74: https://brave.com/
[22:59] <saitoh183> theTOOLMAN From SYS: We'd like to remind you that you've chosen FTP backup
[22:59] <saitoh183> via Manager. The connection with FTP server is only possible from the
[22:59] <saitoh183> level of your server.
[22:59] <theTOOLMAN> oh that sucks
[23:00] <theTOOLMAN> can you just install filezilla on your home computer and ftp your backup from there
[23:00] <theTOOLMAN> ?
[23:00] <demu> not sure how lightweight it is
[23:00] <diogenes74> thanks
[23:00] <saitoh183> hours to upload after  with 10mbit connection
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> so you're going to move it to a server that is on an old os and is going to need to be rebuilt?
[23:01] <sveinse> is there a ftpfs fuse available? Then you could perhaps do it with rsync?
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> sounds redundant to me
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> RAID array
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> isn't the array redundant?
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> no thats the r
[23:02] <saitoh183> if i can install ftp and backup data, then i can just use upgrade and if shit goes bad. i will just format the server and install 16.04  and restore data from ftp
[23:02] <theTOOLMAN> so the backup is of the server you're backing up to?
[23:02] <saitoh183> no
[23:02] <theTOOLMAN> so why not upgrade first, then transfer data
[23:03] <theTOOLMAN> or install a fresh instance and copy data
[23:03] <saitoh183> its a single 120SSD disk
[23:03] <saitoh183> well raid
[23:03] <theTOOLMAN> yeah so prepare your backup destination before you do the backup
[23:04] <theTOOLMAN> ps: 8TB drives $149 at bestbuy
[23:04] <theTOOLMAN> WD Reds that is
[23:05]  * wolfe waves
[23:06] <theTOOLMAN> *wave*
[23:06] <demu> theTOOLMAN: 8TB, that a lot of p! ;)
[23:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes it is
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> i grabbed 2 of them sunday
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> they come with a free usb3 to sata converter
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> but thats easy to remove
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> can't wait to see this 60TB SSD that samsung has been talking about
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> idk what'll be better. that or my fleshlight
[23:08] <diogenes74> brave installing
[23:09] <demu> 60TB SSD. yup, mark zuckerberg can afford it
[23:10] <demu> elon musk
[23:10] <wulung> any ubuntu wiki maintainer here ?
[23:10] <demu> elon musk and maybe two other people
[23:10] <Budgii_> demu, how much does a 60TB ssd go for?
[23:11] <demu> Budgii_: ask theTOOLMAN
[23:11] <demu> I know I can't :(
[23:12] <Budgii_> I just g00gled it, runs about 10K a unit from what I read. Wow!
[23:13] <Budgii_> theTOOLMAN, 8TB ssd's at best buy?
[23:13] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[23:14] <Budgii_> send me a link please
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> says $180 here but i paid 149 in store
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p?skuId=5792401
[23:14] <Budgii_> wow, thanks!
[23:14] <Budgii_> too bad it wasn't an internal ssd xD
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> thats an hdd
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> its a WD Red
[23:15] <Budgii_> ah, thought it was SSD.
[23:15] <theTOOLMAN> you just have to pull it out of their fancy plastic carrier
[23:15] <vkt> Can someone give me a hint as to how I would update the firmware of a networkbooted device if /boot isn't mountable due to it being accessed through tftp via initramfs?
[23:16] <CodeBug> ok how do i upgrade to 17.04?
[23:17] <CodeBug> I changed the updates to normal from LTS and ran sudo apt-get update and then it returned it to the original system state and didn't update
[23:17] <CodeBug> :(
[23:17] <stevendale> CodeBug, Using Software Updater, you go into settings and set it to notify you of new releases, not just new LTS releases
[23:17] <CodeBug> Did that
[23:17] <stevendale> Okay
[23:17] <jeremy31> CodeBug You can't upgrade to 17.04 it is unsupportes
[23:18] <CodeBug> ok so how do i get from 16.04LTS to 17.10
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> why would you want to do that?
[23:18] <Budgii_> so the 60TB SSD at 10K is actually a good deal
[23:18] <stevendale> Budgii_, Yeah that's a good deal
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> i'm sure it is
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> but you'd want two of them
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> because god forbid one dies
[23:18] <Budgii_> for a 1TB sandisk, 60*249.99 = 14999.4
[23:18] <CodeBug> ok Jeremy or Steven help???
[23:19] <Budgii_> Heck just get 3 of em, for sake of having 3
[23:19] <Budgii_> use them in place of gold for barter.
[23:19] <theTOOLMAN> f it.. get 6
[23:19] <theTOOLMAN> and do a raid 15
[23:19] <jeremy31> CodeBug Why?  17.10 expires in August
[23:19] <wulung> yeah 3 better than 2
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> alright y'all i'mma dip out. not sure when i'll be back
[23:20] <Budgii_> okay lets be honest who here could utilize 60TB?
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i could at work
[23:20] <Budgii_> o/ theTOOLMAN
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i have trouble filling a 2tb at home
[23:20] <Budgii_> maybe at work yeah lol
[23:20] <jeremy31> CodeBug If the LTS works, stick with it
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i second that
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> 16.04lts
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> stick with it
[23:20] <CodeBug> aww.
[23:20] <CodeBug> ok.
[23:20] <CodeBug> lol
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> unless you like headaches
[23:21] <theTOOLMAN> if y'all wanna find me, irc.teale.us #home
[23:21] <Budgii_> peace
[23:21] <wulung> second to stick with 16.04 lts
[23:21] <cheguacamole> animators?
[23:22] <wulung> use ppa if u want certain recent apps
[23:24] <vkt> Can someone give me a hint as to how I would update the firmware of a networkbooted device if /boot isn't mountable due to it being accessed through tftp via initramfs?
[23:24] <diogenes74> brave crashed my machine
[23:24] <diogenes74> lol
[23:25] <wulung> non-lts is headache for update freak, cost a lot of bandwidth
[23:29] <CodeBug> lol i understand.
[23:29] <CodeBug> so I guess i wont be updatign to 17.10 after all
[23:30] <CodeBug> updating
[23:32] <CodeBug> how do i update to 17.10 though if i wanted to from 16.04
[23:32] <CodeBug> because i plan on going from 17.10 to 18.04 next month
[23:33] <nacc> CodeBug: update your /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to says "normal" and then do a do-release-upgrade ?
[23:35] <CodeBug> it says getting upgrade and reading cache
[23:35] <CodeBug> reading state information done.
[23:35] <CodeBug> Calculating changes....
[23:35] <Exterminador> that will take a bit to upgrade. assuming it doesn't complain about anything else :)
[23:35] <CodeBug> Aborting
[23:36] <CodeBug> Could not calculate upgrade
[23:36] <CodeBug> :(
[23:36] <vkt> exporting the tftpboot dir and mounting it at /boot on the client worked
[23:37] <CodeBug> changed the update server from US to Main
[23:37] <CodeBug> trying again
[23:40] <CodeBug> Ok question
[23:40] <CodeBug> getting GLib-Critical Errors
[23:42] <diogenes74> does pia work well on ubuntu
[23:48] <tolland> ive got a 17.10 machine which is set to get ip via DHCP. I did a renew, and looking at /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases it shows "fixed-address <IP_ADDRESS>;" for the correct interface
[23:48] <tolland> but ifconfig is showing it listening on <IP_ADDRESS> , which is actually the ip of the dhcp server. Any ideas how to kick it
[23:48] <XWX777> ??
[23:50] <XWX777> Hmei7
[23:54] <evangeline__> ubuntu mate just installed on old netbook. Every other reboot fails
[23:54] <evangeline__> bios boot issue?=
[23:55] <evangeline__> 16.04. Any ideas welcome
[23:57] <Marqeaux> Ubuntu Mate 32 or 64-bits?
[23:58] <CodeBug> Ubuntu Mate 64
[23:58] <marchesini> Hi
[23:58] <Marqeaux> Is it a 64-bit netbook?


[00:23] <imbrandon> wget https://launchpad.net/juju/trunk/galapagos/+download/juju-0.5.1.tar.gz
[00:23] <imbrandon> bah
[00:59] <m_3> pushing a new release of jitsu after a bit... lemme know if you want anything else in beforehand
[01:08] <imbrandon> m_3: pink pony
[01:08] <imbrandon> heh
[01:09] <imbrandon> working on new 0.5.1 osx pacakge and rpm now as well
[01:20] <m_3> imbrandon: cool
[01:20] <m_3> no pink ponies for you
[01:20] <m_3> ;)
[01:21] <m_3> well ok, i guess you can have pps
[01:22] <imbrandon> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[01:22] <imbrandon> doh it 404's now, IS must have found it , lol
[01:24] <imbrandon> hahaha found a copy http://ircimages.com/ircimages/7/5/75dfb725844220ba4d824268c72ea0c3.jpg
[01:25] <imbrandon> :)
[01:26] <imbrandon> ( in my defense, crimsun, no i, uploaded the original to the fridge, pitty too as google has links to it all over heh )
[01:26] <imbrandon> :)
[01:43] <m_3> nice
[01:43] <imbrandon> heh yea it was on the fridge since breezy
[01:43] <imbrandon> :)
[01:44] <imbrandon> no idea when they took it off heh
[02:04] <imbrandon> Google, Amazon, HP and Microsoft all agree on one thing. Ubuntu
[02:04] <imbrandon> heh
[02:08] <m_3> imbrandon: yup, it's pretty cool
[03:23] <imbrandon> SpamapS / m_3: got an OSX install handy ? http://cl.ly/Htjg
[03:23] <imbrandon> :)
[03:26] <m_3> imbrandon: nope... ubuntu on my mac
[03:27] <imbrandon> check out the screenshot anyhow :)
[03:27] <imbrandon> heh
[03:27] <imbrandon> bout to update the docs :)
[03:28] <imbrandon> no more brew required, only xcode from the App store and the juju-installer :) /me wonders if i could get that into the App store ...
[04:03] <m_3> imbrandon: nice screenshot
[04:12] <m_3> lunch
[06:21] <imbrandon> .win 9
[08:31] <jamespage> jcastro: works for me if I drop use of the PPA
[08:31] <jamespage> going to propose that now
[14:05] <jcastro> m_3: around?
[15:53] <negronjl> 'morning all
[15:56] <jcastro> morning!
[15:56] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/redis-master/+bug/1021157
[15:56] <_mup_> Bug #1021157: Charm fails to start redis-server on EC2 <redis-master (Juju Charms Collection):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021157 >
[15:56] <jcastro> great response to a bug!
[16:01] <negronjl> jcastro: morning
[17:42] <jcastro> jamespage: hey so dropping the PPA worked for you?
[18:34] <_mup_> Bug #1021861 was filed: Transient error /w MAAS provider: Unknown operation: 'list_allocated'. <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021861 >
[18:51] <jimbaker> one thing that jitsu now supports in the new version in the ppa is --help, both on the main command and its subcommands. it's not complete for all subcommands (that requires some additional refactoring), but still useful
[19:03] <jcastro> hazmat: you working today?
[19:08] <hazmat> jcastro, no, but if you need something i'm around
[19:08] <hazmat> jcastro, what's up?
[19:08] <jcastro> oh, the no would answer my question about the openstack provider then I guess, heh
[19:24] <robbiew> lol
[20:34] <hazmat> bcsaller, can you lbox propose -cr the test option branch for an updated reitveld
[20:34] <bcsaller> hazmat: yeah, I think lbox is working again
[20:35] <hazmat> bcsaller, it is
[20:36] <hazmat> jimbaker, re the secgrp branch, looks good, just trying to work through the implications for existing groups, afaics its fine, but its also not clear if there's a test explicitly for that case (existing group with open ports)
[20:36] <hazmat> bcsaller, thanks
[20:43] <jimbaker> hazmat, yeah, i'm thinking about that testing
[20:45] <jimbaker> hazmat, there is certainly a lot of testing in the firewall piece re open/close ports to ensure that it conforms
[20:47] <jimbaker> in practice, when a new unit is started, the watch for that machine does the firewall changes in a short period of time (<1s is what i observed)
[20:50] <hazmat> jimbaker, so the firewall is processed as part of process_machine in the provisioning agent which allocates the new machine
[20:50] <hazmat> ?
[20:51] <jimbaker> hazmat, yes
[20:57] <hazmat> jimbaker, with an additional test around the pre-existing group, it feels like it should be good to merge
[21:00] <jimbaker> hazmat, sounds good to me