[00:14] <Tu13es> hmm
[00:14] <Tu13es> so, I've got a Mac Mini that's running gutsy
[00:15] <Tu13es> I figure I should hook it up to my TV as some sort of media server/player
[00:15] <Tu13es> will mythbuntu be something similar to FrontRow?
[00:18] <Killerkiwi> Tu13es: from what i know about frontrow myth will do a lot more
[00:18] <Tu13es> heh, I don't doubt that, FrontRow is pretty crippled
[00:18] <Tu13es> it is very pretty, though
[00:20] <Killerkiwi> elisa is pretty... but it dosnt have pvr.. yet
[00:21] <Tu13es> I don't have a TV tuner
[00:21] <Tu13es> if that means anything
[00:21] <Killerkiwi> so you just want a music player / photo storage?....
[00:22] <Killerkiwi> or are you going to buy a tunrer?
[00:24] <Tu13es> music/video/photo pretty much
[00:24] <Tu13es> I've got a Tivo for recording TV
[00:26] <c3rb3rus5> so is there any particular reason that mytharchive does not like my machine? i am trying to burn 2 shows with cutlists to dvd
[00:26] <c3rb3rus5> standard def
[00:26] <c3rb3rus5> mpeg2 since they were recorded from firewire
[00:27] <c3rb3rus5> and mythtranscode fails to remove commercials
[00:27] <c3rb3rus5> no idea why
[00:28] <Killerkiwi> Tu13es: myth will do all that... but a tuner is where it comes into its own.... no Tivo here in new zealand so I don't know what there like
[00:29] <Tu13es> well, technically my tivo is in my closet for now
[00:29] <Tu13es> the UI is _awesome_
[00:29] <Tu13es> well, figure i might as well try out mythbuntu
[00:30] <Killerkiwi> well my wife can work the mythtv box with a remote so it isnt too bad
[00:31] <Killerkiwi> Id like to see elisa be a front end that would be cool
[00:31] <Killerkiwi> http://elisa.fluendo.com/screenshots/
[00:32] <Killerkiwi> it already does music photos etc like you afteer
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Killerkiwi, want to code it?
[00:33] <Killerkiwi> tgm4883_laptop: If I had the time.. lol, It shouldnt be that hard Im suprised no one has a t least started....
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> well actually it's not totally straight forward
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> elisa uses gstreamer, mythtv does not
[00:33] <tgm4883_laptop> although there is a gmyth package that should help it along
[00:34] <Killerkiwi> tgm4883_laptop: so... just leave the backend alone
[00:34] <Killerkiwi> I just want a front end
[00:34] <tgm4883_laptop> what do you want the frontend to do?
[00:34] <Killerkiwi> elisa can already to uPnp from myth
[00:34] <Killerkiwi> view myth with fast forward rewind
[00:34] <Killerkiwi> allow scheduling
[00:35] <Killerkiwi> thats all I want ;)
[00:35] <c3rb3rus5> i htink that mythtranscode hates me
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> allow scheduling, which means that you need to talk to the backend
[00:35] <Killerkiwi> tgm4883_laptop: its not so hard... I've looked at the code that already exists it just needs expanding
[00:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yet you don't want to do it?
[00:36] <Killerkiwi> time issue
[00:36] <tgm4883_laptop> the gmyth code needs expanding, then a plugin needs made for elisa
[00:36] <Killerkiwi> libmyth-python
[00:37] <Killerkiwi> Im not sure about the fast forward rewind issue... i not sure where that issue is myth or uPnp or elisa
[00:44] <ahave> is there a way to keep the program guide info from lagging?
[00:44] <c3rb3rus5> this may be a stupid question.... but is mythtranscode configured out of the box for mythbuntu?
[00:44] <c3rb3rus5> at least for some default settings?
[01:01] <c3rb3rus5> what role does .ICEauthority play?
[01:10] <ahave> Hello, using ubuntu.. trying to setup a SAMBA share, and i get this error: http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=halpqa0.png   Can anyone advise?
[01:10] <ahave> using mythbuntu*
[01:17] <c3rb3rus5> ahave: i'm pretty sure that you just have to click the box and hit apply in the mythbuntu control center
[01:18] <c3rb3rus5> if not, try looking here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server
[01:18] <ahave> c3rb3rus5, thanks. Yes i have tried both of your suggestions.. which put me into the situation that i am in now
[01:18] <ahave> (with the error)
[01:19] <c3rb3rus5> are you being prompted to log in on the win end?
[01:20] <ahave> nope, i get that pop up
[01:20] <c3rb3rus5> try navigating to \\MediaPC-MythBuntu in the explorer bar.  from the error box it looks like win is not seeing the right server name
[01:21] <c3rb3rus5> what is the hostname of your mythbox?
[01:25] <ahave> i can access it via \\<IP_ADDRESS>\ (local IP)
[01:25] <c3rb3rus5> right
[01:25] <ahave> so how can i correct the link?
[01:26] <c3rb3rus5> i would guess that its  something wrong with the hostname
[01:34] <ahave> c3rb3rus5, i imagine that has to do with how i setup my smb.conf file..
[01:34] <ahave> (i did modify it)
[01:35] <c3rb3rus5> ahave: could be.. the only thing i really know about that file is how to enable local shares by following htat link i sent earlier
[01:36] <c3rb3rus5> ahave: what is your host name set as
[01:36] <ahave> c3rb3rus5, host name according ot smb.conf?
[01:37] <c3rb3rus5> does it list your hostname in there?
[01:37] <ahave> idk
[01:37] <ahave> where can i look up my host name?
[01:37] <c3rb3rus5> just type 'hostname' in a terminal window
[01:37] <ahave> oh :)
[01:37] <ahave> MediaPC-Mythbuntu
[01:39] <c3rb3rus5> ahave: look here:http://www.debianadmin.com/change-hostname-or-server-name-of-a-linux-machine.html
[01:43] <ahave> c3rb3rus5, mah. hostname -a returns 'unkown host'
[01:44] <c3rb3rus5> hmm
[01:46] <scarter> ahave, c3rb3rus5: if i can interject... coming in toward the middle of this, but is there a WINS server on the network or an entry in either the HOSTS or LMHOSTS file on the client for the server?
[01:51] <ahave> scarter, hello :)  the network consists of 3 XPs and my mythtv linux box running SAMBA... does that answer your question?
[01:51] <ahave> scarter, i have not made any corrections to any of the XP clients
[01:52] <ahave> scarter, i can acces the share using its local IP in windows explorer with full read/write permissions (as i set)
[02:02] <ahave> scarter, any ideas?
[02:23] <scarter> sorry, stepped away for a sec... still there?
[02:23] <ahave> yup
[02:23] <ahave> can you explain to me what a wins server is?
[02:24] <ahave> i enabled it in the smb.conf file and it appeared to make all other other computer on the network disappear
[02:24] <scarter> ahave: is the SAMBA server also set as the WINS (Windows Intranet Name Service) server?
[02:24] <ahave> scarter, i just now set it as that, yes...
[02:24] <ahave> i still have the issue tho
[02:27] <scarter> ahave: after enabling it, add the info to your DHCP server (if you're running one) or if STATIC, add the address to the appropriate dialog box or ethernet configuration file then all the machines either need to be rebooted or have their network restarted (varies with OS or distributions)
[02:28] <ahave> scarter, can you elaborate on what info i need to add to my DHCP server (linksys router)
[02:32] <ahave> brb
[02:32] <scarter> ahave: ok, linksys doesn't support a WINS entry, so you'll need to add it to each client
[02:32] <scarter> ok
[02:38] <scarter> ahave: back?
[02:39] <c3rb3rus5> scarter: i have never had to set up WINS before, what is its purpose?
[02:40] <scarter> linux client = /etc/smb.conf OR /etc/samba/smb.conf (varies with distro), XP client = Right-Click on Network Neighborhood/Places and choose Properties, then right-click on the interface to your LAN and choose Properties then choose TCP/IP from the box and click on Properties then ??? the same place you can add additional DNS servers and IP addresses... somewhere off an advanced tab or button, Vista client = no clue. i've be
[02:40] <scarter> en ALL linux for almost 3 years, so while i've seen Vista, i've not used it enough to know the particulars
[02:42] <scarter> ahave: with a mixed OS environment, you need one place to keep track of machine names and IPs. windows machines will talk to each other over a hackedup form of the old netbui protocal, but other OS's don't have that, so we need a single place for each to register themselves so that all OS's can ask that machine who's where
[02:44] <c3rb3rus5> what role does .ICEauthority play?
[02:45] <scarter> c3rb3rus5: with a mixed OS environment, you need one place to keep track of machine names and IPs. windows machines will talk to each other over a hackedup form of the old netbeui protocal, but other OS's don't have that, so we need a single place for each to register themselves so that all OS's can ask that machine who's where
[02:45] <c3rb3rus5> i believe that it may be interfering with my mythtranscode
[02:46] <c3rb3rus5> scarter: strange, i have never had t oset one up before, and i've had no problems getting my mythbuntu bix recognizerd on my win network
[02:48] <scarter> sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. noticed it most when friends would bring fully-patched XP boxes or Vista boxes over. a little peek at the traffic showed they would claim dominance over hosting the peer-to-peer name source election. cured by specifically adding WINS support to my mythbuntu box
[02:49] <scarter> then DHCP would issue the WINS number and no more fighting over who hosts the names for resolution
[02:50] <c3rb3rus5> interesting
[02:50] <c3rb3rus5> i plan on moving to all linux in a week
[02:50] <scarter> there's a M$ article about how it works and which OS's take priority over other in the windows world
[02:51] <c3rb3rus5> so i won't be dealing with smb anymore
[02:51] <c3rb3rus5> its great in a pinch, but long file xfers just dont work out over it
[02:51] <scarter> so true, scp and/or nfs work much better
[02:53] <c3rb3rus5> i can't tell you how many times the xfers have just stopped working in the middle, making me start over
[02:53] <scarter> along with rsync for hosting a central backup location... my mythbox has 2.2TB of space for recordings, DVDs and rsync'd backups
[02:53] <c3rb3rus5> damn
[02:53] <c3rb3rus5> what exactly is rsync, never used it, but i have heard about it
[02:55] <scarter> i'm also dad with a wife and four high school/college kids that were always messing up their project docs, so i rsync multiple times a day for multiple versions, after the first rsync, only diffs are saved, lightening fast...
[02:56] <scarter> rsync (Remote Synchronization) - excellent way to keep files/folders sync'd across a network with one or more machines
[02:56] <c3rb3rus5> hmm
[02:56] <c3rb3rus5> i'll have to look into that
[02:56] <c3rb3rus5> is that similar to M$'s volume shadow copy?
[02:57] <scarter> on my lappies, i rsync and encrypt my vital info to an SD card that stays in the machine
[02:58] <scarter> vsc is usually for making copies of open files by using the 'shadowed' version, rsync doesn't care if the files are open or not (with an extra command switch you can skip them)
[02:59] <c3rb3rus5> i see.  for some reason i was under the impression that it provided versioning, ala cvs or svn
[03:03] <scarter> no, the script i wrote provides versioning by maintaining multiple backup folders. if no changes, no backup. if only 3 changes, only three files new backup folder. folders are date/time stamped and 'current' is linked to the most recent with links to the most recent copy of any file in whichever backup folder contains it, but if you want a previous version, just manually go back to a date/time stamp before the 'current'
[03:04] <c3rb3rus5> i see, cool
[03:05] <scarter> i'm sure that there's an app out there that does something similar, but i've used a variation of the script for many, many years across different OS's with rsync
[03:06] <c3rb3rus5> so  i renamed my .ICEauthority file (rather then delete) and mythtranscode seems to finish without error (this is using mytharchive).  I am seeing the following error in the mythburn.log though:
[03:06] <c3rb3rus5> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[03:20] <a1fa> ok
[03:20] <a1fa> sound is skipping a bit
[03:20] <a1fa> what gives? 8.04?
[03:31] <bobcallaway> my TV cards sound does not work? help please
[03:32] <sceo> Just made my switch from Knoppmyth to Mythbuntu, and like that I'm running Ubuntu underneath the hood.  Anyway, one change I noticed is that when I fast-forward through a recorded program and then press the play button, it pauses (cuz it's mapped to P)... how do I make it just 'play' (since my remote has a separate pause button)
[03:34] <sceo> can I have the mapped remote button be Ctrl+P instead of just "P" ?
[03:35] <a1fa> edit /etc/lirc
[03:38] <bobcallaway> hello sound card no sound hauppage with FM radio booktree BT878
[03:39] <bobcallaway> booktree bt878 alsa mixer sound on tv card nothing coming out
[03:53] <pdragon> woo! got spdif working on my new mythtv box :D
[04:19] <aliby> Any idea why I'm getting a RingBuf error (Invalid file fd -1) when trying to watch live tv?
[05:30] <Khonshu3> anyone know if the KWorld Connexant chipset cards can be supported under Linux?
[05:31] <Tuv0k> !hardware
[05:31] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[05:32] <Khonshu3> !hardware
[05:32] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[05:33] <Khonshu3> cool
[05:33] <Khonshu3> I didn't find anything on Kworld searching the Ubuntu wiki or forums
[05:33] <Khonshu3> well, nothing useful
[05:33] <Khonshu3> ok, I found stuff, but...
[05:33] <Khonshu3> mostly stuff on changing configs, etc.
[05:34] <Khonshu3> but nothing on making it work, or figuring out what info needs to go into /etc/modprobe.d/bttv
[07:35] <shizno> is it planned for mythbuntu 8.04 to come out on the same day as hardy?
[07:36] <tgm4883> yes
[07:57] <shizno> cool
[10:32] <Easy_Rider9999> help I set audio to 48khz and now the speed of the audio is to fast!
[10:33] <Easy_Rider9999> how can i record with mpeg2 without hardware encoding?
[13:42] <Keithamus> Im in need of some help regarding mythbuntu and the Hauppauge Nova T 500 - I can't tune into any channels, does anyone else have this problem?
[14:47] <Randall>  1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
[14:47] <Randall>  2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
[14:47] <Randall> Adam and Eve
[14:47] <Randall>  4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
[14:47] <Randall>       When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to
[14:47] <Randall>  8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground.trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
[14:47] <Randall>  10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [e] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [f] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it run
[14:47] <Randall>  15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
[14:47] <Randall>  18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
[14:47] <Randall>  19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
[14:48] <Randall>       But for Adam [g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [h] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
[14:48] <Randall>  23 The man said,
[14:48] <Randall>        "This is now bone of my bones
[14:48] <Randall>        and flesh of my flesh;
[14:48] <Randall>        she shall be called 'woman, [j] '
[14:48] <Randall>        for she was taken out of man."
[14:48] <Randall>  24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
[14:48] <Randall>  25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
[14:48] <Randall>  1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
[14:48] <Randall>  2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
[14:48] <Randall> Adam and Eve
[14:48] <Randall>  4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
[14:48] <Randall>       When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to
[14:48] <Randall>  8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground.trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
[14:48] <Randall>  10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [e] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [f] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it run
[14:49] <Randall>  15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
[14:49] <Randall>  18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
[14:49] <Randall>  19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
[14:49] <Randall>       But for Adam [g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [h] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
[14:49] <Randall>  23 The man said,
[14:49] <Randall>        "This is now bone of my bones
[14:49] <Randall>        and flesh of my flesh;
[14:49] <Randall>        she shall be called 'woman, [j] '
[14:49] <Randall>        for she was taken out of man."
[14:49] <Randall> The Fall of Man  1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
[14:49] <Randall>  24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
[14:49] <Randall>  25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
[14:49] <Randall>  2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit rom the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or ryou will die.' "
[14:49] <Randall>  4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
[14:49] <Randall>  6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
[14:49] <Randall>  8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
[14:50] <Randall>  10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
[14:50] <Randall>  11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked?
[14:50] <Randall>  12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me.she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
[14:50] <Randall>  13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
[14:50] <Randall>       The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
[14:50] <Randall>  14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
[14:50] <Randall>        "Cursed are you above all the livestock
[14:50] <Randall>        and all the wild animals!
[14:50] <Randall>        You will crawl on your belly
[14:50] <Randall>        and you will eat dust
[14:50] <Randall>        all the days of your life.
[14:50] <Randall>  15 And I will put enmity
[14:50] <Randall>        between you and the woman,
[14:50] <Randall>        and between your offspring [a] and hers;
[14:50] <Randall>        he will crush [b] your head,
[14:50] <Randall>        and you will strike his heel."
[14:50] <Randall>  16 To the woman he said,
[14:50] <Randall>        "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
[14:50] <Randall>        with pain you will give birth to children.
[14:50] <Randall>        Your desire will be for your husband,
[14:50] <Randall>        and he will rule over you."

[14:51] <Randall>  20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
[14:51] <Randall>  21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the
[14:51] <Randall> Footnotes:
[14:57] <Randall> d
[14:57] <Randall> Cain and Abel
[14:57] <Randall>  1 Adam [a] lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. [b] She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth [c] a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
[14:57] <Randall>       Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
[14:57] <Randall>  6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."
[14:57] <Randall>  8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." [d] And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
[14:57] <Randall>  9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
[14:57] <Randall>       "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
[14:57] <Randall>  10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
[14:57] <Randall>  13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."
[14:57] <Randall>  15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.
[14:58] <Randall>  17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.
[14:58] <Randall>  19 Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. 20 Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. 21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play the harp and flute. 22 Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of [g] bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain's sister was Naamah.
[14:58] <Randall>  23 Lamech said to his wives,
[14:58] <Randall>        "Adah and Zillah, listen to me;
[14:58] <Randall>        wives of Lamech, hear my words.
[14:58] <Randall>        I have killed [h] a man for wounding me,
[14:58] <Randall>        a young man for injuring me.
[14:58] <Randall>  24 If Cain is avenged seven times,
[14:58] <Randall>        then Lamech seventy-seven times."
[14:58] <Randall>  25 Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, [i] saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.
[14:58] <Randall>       At that time men began to call on [j] the name of the LORD.
[15:02] <otwin> heh, how frustrating must it be to flood a channel for 10 minutes and you are ignored by 56 users...
[15:07] <frink__> lol
[15:22] <pdragon> hah
[16:01] <Keithamus> Has anyone here got a Nova T 500, Im a bit stuck with configuring it.
[16:03] <darthanubis> !google
[16:03] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[16:03] <darthanubis> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI
[16:04] <darthanubis> http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=Nova+T+500+mythtv&btnG=Google+Search
[16:07] <Keithamus> trust me darthanubis, I've been through google lots, and i've read the mythwiki page umpteen times.
[16:08] <darthanubis> well at least your better than most
[16:09] <Keithamus> yeah cheers.
[16:15] <hugolp> Keithamus:  the mythtv link will tell you step by step how to do it
[16:17] <Keithamus> hugolp: I've finished those steps, but Im having a problem with tuning it in.
[16:18] <hugolp> Keithamus:  have you seen the part where it says to include a line to start the amplifier?
[16:19] <Keithamus> yea hugolp, did that and it works afaict
[16:19] <Keithamus> my signal has been boosted also
[16:19] <hugolp> Keithamus: great
[16:20] <Keithamus> it says it cant fetch any tables, if i try to tune specifically; or if I do "Full Scan" it keeps saying no signal. The signal is at 45% though
[16:20] <hugolp> mmm and other turner do work with that signal?
[16:21] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[16:22] <tgm4883> darthanubis, but it's not released yet
[16:22] <darthanubis> yet its there
[16:22] <darthanubis> funny how that works
[16:22] <darthanubis> scheduled for today too, how odd
[16:23] <darthanubis> The Ubuntu developers are constantly bringing you the absolute latest and most stable software that the open source and free software communities have to offer. This is their latest result: the Ubuntu 8.04 LTS release candidate, which brings a host of excellent new features.
[16:23] <tgm4883> it was there yesterday too
[16:23] <darthanubis> sounds like an intro to me
[16:23] <darthanubis> but by all means, ignore that
[16:23] <tgm4883> probably there on wednesday too
[16:23] <darthanubis> frees up the servers
[16:24] <tgm4883> they don't write up the release statement the moment they release, they do it early.  Notice you can't download the ISO
[16:24]  * darthanubis "probably" brother
[16:24] <darthanubis> YOU can't
[16:25] <tgm4883> you talking from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[16:34] <tgm4883> darthanubis, i appoligize, apparently i AM the only one who can't see it.  I can however get it from a local mirror.  Thanks for the heads up
[16:35] <darthanubis> Its still being synced to all the mirrors.
[16:35] <darthanubis> your not alone
[16:36] <darthanubis> in #ubuntu+1 they are going ape over it
[16:36] <tgm4883> ah
[16:36] <darthanubis> like crackheads
[16:36] <darthanubis> :)
[16:59] <pdragon> just got the email
[17:25] <irishninja> greetings all
[17:26] <tgm4883> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_04_Release_Candidate
[17:27] <tgm4883_laptop> irishninja, hi
[17:27] <irishninja> it appears as though my mythbox can no longer play dvds
[17:30] <irishninja> I've reinstalled libdvdcss2 and have all the latest updates...yet still a DVD Mythbuntu will not play
[17:33] <irishninja> any idears?
[17:44] <pdragon> have you had your mythtv box since before version .21 was released?
[17:47] <pdragon> if so, try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=728801
[17:50] <irishninja> I've had it less than a year
[17:50] <irishninja> it worked fine until about 2 weeks ago
[17:54] <irishninja> I'll give it a try
[18:00] <irishninja> didn't do anything
[18:00] <irishninja> so far as I can tell
[18:12] <pdragon> hmm... not sure
[18:12] <pdragon> oh! wait... i remember having a similar issue now
[18:13] <pdragon> for some reason it wasn't reading the configuration that my dvd drive was /dev/cdrom instead of /dev/dvd
[18:13] <pdragon> i made a symlink of /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom and it fixed it
[18:13] <pdragon> not sure what your dvd drive is, but check that
[18:13] <pdragon> there was an error in the frontend log that it couldn't read from /dev/dvd
[18:14] <pdragon> so, check your log and see if there's something like that going on
[18:14] <irishninja> and where is the log?
[18:14] <pdragon> in  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[18:16] <irishninja> ah...I'm getting "broken package" messages when trying to install/update ffmpeg and some others
[18:17] <tgm4883> ^^ Problem
[18:19] <irishninja> 2008-04-18 06:43:15.468 AFD: Opened codec 0x839c2c0$
[18:19] <irishninja> [mpeg2video @ 0xb7369ce8]ac-tex damaged at 11 17
[18:19] <irishninja> [mpeg2video @ 0xb7369ce8]Warning MVs not available
[18:22] <irishninja> O.o
[18:22] <tgm4883> irishninja, 8.04?
[18:23] <irishninja> yep
[18:23] <tgm4883> did you do a dist-upgrade?
[18:23] <tgm4883> cause that can break things
[18:24] <irishninja> not at the time this started happening...at least I don't recall doing one
[18:24] <tgm4883> which build did you install from?
[18:25] <tgm4883> also, can you pastebin your sources.list
[18:25] <irishninja> 8.04...after that I dunno
[18:26] <irishninja> no...7.10
[18:26] <irishninja> I just did a dist-upgrade today, but it's been doing this for a few weeks
[18:27] <tgm4883> can you pastebin your sources.list
[18:27] <tgm4883> and what is the output of uname -a
[18:28] <irishninja> Linux zeke-desktop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:28] <tgm4883> irishninja, please pastebin your sources.list, i'm seeing issues here
[18:30] <irishninja> I'm a bit fuzzy in the head right now...where is sources.lst  :$
[18:30] <tgm4883> /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:32] <irishninja> deb cdrom:[Mythbuntu 7.10 - i386 (071021)]/ gutsy m$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main res$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-updates $
[18:32] <irishninja> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-backport$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-upda$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy univ$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-back$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-secu$
[18:32] <irishninja> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-f$
[18:32] <irishninja> that's all it gives me in sources.lst
[18:32] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[18:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:33] <irishninja> ah
[18:35] <tgm4883> whats the output of apt-cache show mythtv | grep Version
[18:36] <irishninja> Version: 0.21.0-0ubuntu2~gutsy1 ... Version: 0.20.2-0ubuntu10.1 ... Version: 0.20.2-0ubuntu10
[18:37] <irishninja> blast...I gotta jet man...
[18:38] <irishninja> I do appreciate the time you gave me
[18:38] <irishninja> but I gotta work on this another time...PEACE
[18:39] <laga> digg! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_04_Release_Candidate
[19:07] <aliby> Does anyone know if the ATI E-Home Wonder works with bttv or ittv? everything I find seems to say that it's a bttv card but it doesnt currently work
[19:11] <irishninja> that didn't take as long as I thought it would
[20:48] <peperoni> hi all
[20:49] <peperoni> i need help with buttons and external apps
[20:49] <peperoni> nobody can help me ?
[20:58] <Ribs> Try asking a question
[20:58] <Ribs> well, a question other than "nobody can help me?"
[20:58] <darthanubis> !anyone | peperoni
[20:58] <ubotu> peperoni: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[21:00]  * laga applauds
[21:02] <darthanubis> ;)
[21:10] <peperoni> ok i'm here sorry
[21:10] <peperoni> this is the problem
[21:10] <peperoni> i have a script that calls kaffeine in this way: kaffeine -f -x xv && dcop kaffeine KaffeineIface playDvb
[21:11] <peperoni> i've created a button with action EXEC on the script
[21:11] <peperoni> but the focus of my remote remein on mythfrontend too
[21:11] <peperoni> remain
[21:11] <peperoni> i'm using kde
[21:12] <peperoni> kaffeine when start close the script
[21:12] <peperoni> but i don't want that
[21:12] <peperoni> the script mest s
[21:13] <peperoni> the script must stay open
[21:13] <peperoni> to have the focus only on kaffeine
[21:13] <peperoni> nobody can help me ?
[21:18] <laga> you can probably force the focus to kaffeine somehow, using one of the various config settings in kde ;)
[21:18] <laga> there's one for focus
[21:19] <laga> peperoni: maybe it'll stay open if you run kaffeine DVD
[21:20] <peperoni> how laga ?
[21:21] <laga> "kaffeine DVD"
[21:21] <laga> see kaffeine --help
[21:21] <peperoni> i'm newbie sorry
[21:21] <peperoni> wich settings in kde ?
[21:22] <peperoni> desktop settings ?
[21:22] <laga> "window behavior" maybe
[21:22] <peperoni> ok thx
[21:23] <peperoni> i've read "Strictly Focus
[21:23] <peperoni> Follows Mouse"
[21:23] <peperoni> where is that optin ?
[21:23] <peperoni> option
[21:23] <peperoni> and auto rise too
[21:24] <laga> you need to find out yourself, i don't know. i'm merely suggesting you might find such a setting there
[21:37] <peperoni> find it but doesn't wors
[21:37] <peperoni> works
[21:37] <peperoni> lirc works on the two applications at the same time
[21:37] <laga> then try telling kaffeine to launch the DVD directly instead of using dcop
[21:38] <peperoni> i use kaffeine for dvb
[21:38] <peperoni> not dvd
[21:39] <laga>   file                      File(s) to play. Can be a local file, a URL, a directory or 'DVD', 'VCD', 'AudioCD', 'DVB'.
[21:39] <peperoni> so you say kaffeine DVB
[21:39] <peperoni> i try wait
[21:39] <peperoni> pls
[21:39] <laga> yeah, i misread first
[21:43] <irishninja> what's a good way to go about fixing/replacing broken packages/dependencies?
[21:43] <irishninja> short of reinstalling, that is...
[21:43] <aliby> i could tell you on Gentoo but not for ubuntu :/
[21:44] <aliby> check the ubuntu forums
[21:45] <irishninja> could I possibly just uninstall the broken packages and make note of them and the unmet dependencies and then manually install them again?
[21:45] <laga> irishninja: sudo aptitude install simply?
[21:46] <irishninja> I'll give it a shot
[21:47] <laga> where "simply" was a part of the sentence, not part of the command
[21:47] <peperoni> nothing to do the focus remain active on mythfrontend to, i'v used the command kaffeine -p dvb -f
[21:47] <irishninja> ha...I guess I'm a little too literal minded
[22:00] <TazgodX> any word on if mythtv will work with AT&T U-Verse TV?
[22:01] <aliby> I don't see why it wouldnt?
[22:01] <TazgodX> cause its not like standard cable TV
[22:01] <TazgodX> its IPTV
[22:02] <aliby> Hmm
[22:02] <aliby> okay then I dont know :/
[22:02] <TazgodX> lol
[22:03] <TazgodX> i hvan't used my myth box in about 3 months, since i switched to U-Verse. curious if i can get it working again
[22:30] <peperoni> cya all
[22:37] <EvilGuru> Why can one not remove mysql-server without also removing the master-backend-master? (I presume that is the backend)
[22:39] <laga> EvilGuru: because backend-master depends on mysql-server.
[22:39] <laga> it should be safe to remove, the actual backend will stay on that box
[22:39] <EvilGuru> laga: That's seems fine


[00:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> is there a way to turn on number lines in vim
[00:12] <greg-g> Q: Is there a way to $Do_Something in vim? A: Yes.
[00:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> just a noob ?
[00:12] <Blazeix> mydogsnameisrudy: :set nu
[00:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> thx
[00:12] <Blazeix> :set nonu to turn it off
[00:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok so it has to be set every time
[00:14] <Blazeix> mydogsnameisrudy: put it a file called ~/.vimrc in your home directory
[00:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah got it thx again
[00:24] <tjagoda> I bet rick_h's .vimrc is like 300 lines long
[00:24] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc 612 with comments
[00:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> mine had 1 line ;)
[00:25] <tjagoda> It has dependencies?!
[00:25] <rick_h> but of course!
[00:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah hmmm i much to learn...
[00:26] <Blazeix> tjagoda: you're stepping into a whole new world. hang on...
[00:27] <tjagoda> rick_h has not yet moved out of github and into launchpad!
[00:30] <rick_h> heh, I still <3 git
[00:30] <rick_h> I'm not sold on this bzr stuff
[00:30] <rick_h> ugh
[00:31] <rick_h> besides, I've got 41 watchers of my pyvim repo :)
[00:32] <tjagoda> lol
[00:32] <tjagoda> My launchpad participation is sporadic, as my extra free time comes and goes
[01:17] <jrwren> git > bzr
[01:17] <jrwren> want evidence?
[01:18] <jrwren> checking a 1GB file.
[01:18] <jrwren> then say ooops.
[01:18] <jrwren> and you want to delete it from history.
[01:18] <jrwren> git can
[01:18] <jrwren> bzr can't
[01:18] <rick_h> heh
[01:18] <rick_h> yea, I'm fighting with people sworn to bzr "it's so user friendly..."
[01:18] <rick_h> *sigh*
[01:19] <rick_h> hate to break it to you, the best tools are never the user friendly ones, that's why they're user friendly
[01:19] <jrwren> right.
[01:19] <jrwren> and sure... its user friendly, i fyou are used to cvs or svn.
[01:19] <jrwren> but its NOT user friendly when you have painted yourself into a corner and are stuck.
[01:19] <jrwren> git is more difficult at first becuase its putting you on the path to success.
[01:19] <rick_h> yep, and "it's almost as fast as git" if you do 4 different things that aren't defaults to make things quicker
[01:20] <rick_h> default bzr is still slow as @#$#@$
[01:20] <jrwren> and if you do paint yourself into a corner with git, it is easy to get out. that is not really true of bzr
[01:20] <jrwren> yup.
[01:20] <jrwren> speed matters.
[01:20] <jrwren> i used bzr for a couple years.
[01:20] <jrwren> then hg for a couple years
[01:20] <jrwren> and now git :)
[01:20] <jrwren> so I htink I can speak to them all reasonable well.
[01:20] <rick_h> yea, same here, except I've got this 4th step of back to bzr
[01:21] <jrwren> i used to be one of those "its easier" guys
[01:21] <jrwren> and I'll be first to admit, I was wrong
[01:21] <rick_h> bzr->hg->git-> aw crap really? bzr
[01:21] <jrwren> yar, that sucks.
[01:21] <rick_h> heh yea, I remember when I was saying "man, git seems like a fanboi movement, like django or rails"
[01:23] <jrwren> yup.
[01:49] <snap-l> Heh, I  remember that phase
[01:49] <snap-l> and now I'm a git fanboi
[02:02] <rick_h> snap-l: welcome to the club :)
[02:03] <tjagoda> So
[02:03] <rick_h> So party!
[02:03] <tjagoda> How long before Rick_H single handedly rips Bzr from launchpad and replaces it with git
[02:03] <rick_h> tjagoda: hehe, that's *never* going to happen. LP and bzr go together like Linux and gcc
[02:36] <tjagoda> Typing on the new keyboard is very satisfying
[02:36] <tjagoda> I enjoy its solid metal construction.
[03:23] <rick_h> tjagoda: there you go, now you have a solid weapon if someone comes after you :)
[03:31] <tjagoda> Keyboard AND home defense weapon.
[03:38] <Blazeix> reminds me of the cell phone with crime deterrent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgoVrAR3YOo
[03:41] <snap-l> Interview with Severed Fifth uploading
[03:48] <tjagoda> OMG
[03:48] <tjagoda> Crime deterrent
[04:24] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/02/02/open-metalcast-special-interview-episode-severed-fifth-liberate/
[11:44] <rick_h> morning, yay friday
[11:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning ..
[11:49] <snap-l> Gooooood morning
[11:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> my old brain is in pain.. heh
[12:54] <rick_h> snap-l: interview stuff all go well?
[13:07] <Wolfger> Friday! \o/
[13:12] <tjagoda> Ahoy
[13:12] <Wolfger> yarr
[13:44] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, it was a really good interview
[13:44] <snap-l> If anyone wants to give some reddit love to the interview... ;)
[13:45] <rick_h> linky?
[13:45] <snap-l> One sec
[13:47] <brousch> i think the sum total of everything i've done on reddit is up-vote 3 of snap-l's posts
[13:48] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/p983q/severed_fifth_liberate_releases_today_open/
[13:48] <snap-l> Heh
[13:55] <tjagoda> EDI makes me hate life.
[13:56] <tjagoda> I love how the entire Auto Industry disregards AIAG standards despite the fact that they had major input in creating them in the first place.
[13:56] <tjagoda> FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AIAG!
[13:57] <snap-l> tjagoda: You should know by now that any time the industry creates a standard, it's mostly to get folks off their back so they can get back to doing what they want to be doing
[13:58] <snap-l> "Here, here's a standards group. Now go play in a freeway while I get shit done"
[14:02] <brousch> i will change my name to this symbol, kind of like the artist formerly known as prince did http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
[14:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> u"\U0001F4A9"
[14:03] <snap-l> brousch: I'm totally stealing that and putting it on plus. :)
[14:04] <tjagoda> I do not understand this joke, because I do not understand the artist formerly known as prince. =(
[14:04] <snap-l> tjagoda: So, when did you first realize you were dead to me?
[14:05] <snap-l> brousch: Please change your nick accordingly, and remember to update launchpad.
[14:05] <brousch> tjagoda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#The_New_Power_Generation_and_name_change:_1991.E2.80.9394
[14:06] <brousch> 💩
[14:06] <brousch> hm, doesn't work in pidgin yet
[14:06] <snap-l> Font doesn't support it
[14:07] <snap-l> I think there's only two known fonts that support it
[14:07] <brousch> in honor of this i declare it to be a "blasting poo armageddon" day
[14:09] <brousch> snap-l: thanks :P
[14:12] <brousch> oooh, a python conference in chicago http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/1/prweb8945991.htm
[14:12] <brousch> that's 2 hours closer to me than columbus
[14:14] <tjagoda> So
[14:14] <tjagoda> Whose mailing out brousch's floppy disks?
[14:15] <brousch> eh?
[14:42] <tjagoda> brousch: the floppy disks full of your font symbol!
[14:47] <brousch> ug, it will be nice getting the grpug site off of GAE
[14:47] <brousch> too many hacks to make it work right
[14:53] <tjagoda> Hope I get my follow up from Canonical today
[14:53] <tjagoda> Or I will spend the entire weekend in enraged wonderment
[14:55] <brousch> good luck!
[15:27] <tjagoda> I'll just have rick call up Matt and demand a timeline
[15:27] <tjagoda> I'm sure he's good with that
[15:27] <tjagoda> =P
[15:27] <jrwren> i hope i get a follow up for a new job too!
[15:27] <jrwren> I'd actually be working with linux and python \m/
[15:28] <brousch> whaaaaat?
[15:28] <jrwren> i know, the world is gonna end.
[15:28]  * brousch smells a troll
[15:28] <jrwren> well, I've been doing objective-c for my day job for a couple months now. No more MSFT
[15:29] <krondor> ooh byobu has tmux in 12.04?  My new fun thing to play with today.
[15:29] <snap-l> Yeah, tmux is quickly replacing screen
[15:29] <brousch> jrwren: where is it?
[15:29] <jrwren> arbor networks
[15:33] <jrwren> i fear the tmux
[15:33] <rick_h> jrwren: awesome man, seemed cool when they hosted the python group
[15:33] <jrwren> i'm still ctrl-a for everything in byobu, i turn off the F1-F12 bindings. I hope it is easy to do the same in byobu 12.04
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: they have a new locaiton, beautiful building down on state street.
[15:34] <rick_h> I switched to tmux but mapped ctrl-a as well
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: and DAMN do they interview... I got awesome deep questions.
[15:34] <rick_h> no byobu
[15:34] <rick_h> jrwren: very cool, we'll have to chat about it some time
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: well, I hope they make me a good offer :)
[15:34] <rick_h> I was blown away by a position with them once I was thinking of tring to get in for python stuff
[15:35] <rick_h> but seems there you do python, c, perl, anything
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh damn! Congrats!
[15:35] <rick_h> jrwren: defintely
[15:35] <jrwren> yup, its definitely an EVERYTHING job
[15:35] <jrwren> but I look forward to getting great at python... instead of being python nub
[15:35] <jrwren> rick_h: tcl too!
[15:35] <rick_h> jrwren: hah, awesome
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, I guess I'd better ask you if we can use SRT for the Global Jam in March. :)
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh God, not TCL
[15:35] <jrwren> snap-l: i'm sure that will still be fine. I'm not gonna burn any bridges here.
[15:35] <jrwren> <3 SRT
[15:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Whom do I need to put a bug in the ear?
[15:36] <jrwren> i can be your point of contact
[15:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Ok, awesome
[15:36] <jrwren> but tell me the date so I can save it on my calendar and be here.
[15:36] <snap-l> Haven't decided for sure, but thinking it'll be on the 3rd of March
[15:36] <snap-l> Afternoon, like last time
[15:37] <snap-l> hopefully not a home game, like last time. ;)
[15:37] <jrwren> that isn't football season.
[15:38] <jrwren> maybe march madness :)
[15:38] <krondor> ctrl bindings have some issues for me in things like miniterm.py / minicom.  Fx bindings are welcome.
[15:38] <snap-l> jrwren: heh
[15:38] <jrwren> i ctrl-a, a like a pro
[15:38] <snap-l> krondor: You're still using minicom?
[15:38] <snap-l> God, haven't fired that up in years
[15:38] <snap-l> but yeah, serial ports, embedded hardware.
[15:38] <jrwren> to talk to network equipment via serial I assume?
[15:39] <snap-l> yeah
[15:39] <snap-l> Just thought he'd use Kermit like everyone else. ;)
[15:39]  * snap-l hated Kermit
[15:39] <krondor> jrwren++
[15:39] <snap-l> it besmirched the good name of Kermits everywhere
[15:40] <snap-l> jrwren: Please let me know if there's a conflict, otherwise will plan around SRT being available.
[15:45] <snap-l> Wow, Pycon has 1500 attendees
[15:47] <tjagoda> Remove attendees
[15:47] <rick_h> yea, going to be epic
[15:47] <tjagoda> replace with fanboys
[15:47] <tjagoda> =p
[15:50] <jrwren> that is huge.
[15:50] <rick_h> yea, first time they've sold out like this
[15:51] <rick_h> came close last year, but think it was something like 1300 people
[15:52] <Wolfger> yikes
[15:52] <Wolfger> that's a lot of Pythonistas
[15:52] <snap-l> Figures, the one year that I'd like to get work to pay for it, they sell out. :)
[15:52] <rick_h> many a line of code written in that 1.5wk
[15:53] <snap-l> Wonder if there's an official metric of how much code gets generated in that time
[15:55] <rick_h> it's funny to think about. I was going "yea, but only a few hundred will stay behind for sprints"
[15:55] <rick_h> but that's the size of pyohio +
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, exactly
[15:55] <snap-l> PyOhio sprints were about 10% of that
[15:55] <snap-l> if that
[15:55] <rick_h> ok, time to hit the coffee shop, need a chance of scenery
[15:56] <snap-l> chance of scenery? :)
[15:56] <snap-l> Lovely landscapes?
[15:56] <brousch> no chance of that today
[15:56] <tjagoda> Its chance because he rolls dice to pick which coffee shop he goes to
[15:57] <snap-l> Caribou
[15:57] <snap-l> Just down the street from him
[15:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: We have to get you on the Python bandwagon
[15:57] <snap-l> At least get you out to PyOhio
[15:58] <tjagoda> The closest coffee shop from my house is a Tim Hortons
[15:58] <tjagoda> 15 mintues
[15:58] <snap-l> tjagoda: Nothing wrong wtih that.
[16:00] <Blazeix> ugh, Tim Hortons are disgusting. at least the ones in farmington hills
[16:00] <Blazeix> they feel like a dingy mcdonalds
[16:01] <snap-l> Blazeix: The closer to the mothership (Canada) the better they are
[16:01] <snap-l> but yeah, the ones by us are pretty dreadfu
[16:03] <tjagoda> Americans do not understand Timmies.
[16:05] <rick_h> tjagoda: yea, caribou .5mi away
[16:06] <rick_h> I should walk up here and when it's warmer I bike up here
[16:06] <rick_h> Blazeix: exactly, I hear of these mythical great Tim Hortons, but it sure seems to me I'd be better off at a dunkin donuts in a gas station somewhere en route to Dallas TX
[16:07]  * snap-l makes a note to take rick_h to a proper Timmies
[16:07] <brousch> our tim hortons is very nice, but the food is bland
[16:07]  * rick_h gets his passport ready since that seems the only way to experience this magical experience
[16:07] <snap-l> heh
[16:07] <snap-l> Port Huron
[16:07] <snap-l> Just by the bridge
[16:08] <brousch> rick_h: we ate at a decent tim hortons in columbus at pyohio
[16:08] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I think the thing is that the fans have talked it up so much the donuts would have to be served by chocolate unicorns to keep up
[16:08] <snap-l> We'll take JoDee there, since she likes to look at greighters
[16:08] <snap-l> freighters, rather
[16:09] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, we need to lower your expectations
[16:09] <jrwren> Blazeix: ++  Tim Hortons IS the mcdonalds of canada
[16:09] <snap-l> They're good, but not chocolate unicorns shitting glitter good
[16:09] <tjagoda> More Tim Hortons than starbucks in Canada
[16:09] <brousch> the onuts are good, but my tim hortons is 1/3 mile away from the best apple fritters in west michigan
[16:09] <tjagoda> But also a ludicrous number of McDonalds in Canada
[16:10] <snap-l> brousch: HAppy Yum Yum Fun Time Donuts and Chinese Food?
[16:10] <brousch> marge's donut den
[16:10] <snap-l> I'm surprised
[16:10] <rick_h> heh
[16:11] <brousch> http://www.margesdonutden.com/
[16:11] <snap-l> That's funny, she doesn't look asian. :)
[16:11] <brousch> little hole in the wall that's been there since before i was born
[16:11] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[16:12] <brousch> coffee sucks though
[16:12] <snap-l> I'm sure it's been brewing since before you were born too
[16:12] <brousch> i wouldn't doubt it
[16:12] <snap-l> West MI has no idea how to make a decent cup of coffee
[16:13] <brousch> there was one place, but it went out of business
[16:13] <rick_h> what?! coffee not selling?
[16:13] <rick_h> must have been a business challenged person
[16:13] <brousch> i think so
[16:13] <rick_h> seems like every places is trying to sell coffee and doing it these days
[16:14] <brousch> it was open 24 hours, but was so dead between midnight and 7am that i would walk in on the owner sleeping on the couch
[16:14] <snap-l> rick_h: That's because it keeps people in the store longer
[16:14] <brousch> they needed a drive-thru
[16:14] <snap-l> Yeah, some Biggby locations have drive-thru
[16:15] <rick_h> drive-thru ftw, it's how I meet my caribou quota
[16:15] <snap-l> Handy, save for when you're working from home, and the place is closed when you try the drive-thru
[16:16] <brousch> my biggby has a drive-thru
[16:16] <brousch> mostly why i go there
[16:17] <snap-l> I like Biggby coffee too
[16:17] <snap-l> the one on John R is a bitch to get in and out of, though
[16:18] <snap-l> Had two of them by us in Macomb
[16:19] <snap-l> Something tells me I'm never getting the vacation pay from $LASTJOB.
[16:19] <snap-l> since it was supposed to be "end of month"
[16:19] <_stink_> >:|
[16:19] <snap-l> which was in January
[16:20] <snap-l> However, since I left, their stock is going up
[16:20] <rick_h> hmmm, that's not promising
[16:20] <snap-l> Just call me the lead weight. ;)
[16:21] <Wolfger> Damn. When I leave companies, they go out of business
[16:21] <snap-l> Wolfger: You're never leaving Chrysler, then. The government will see to that. ;)
[16:26] <tjagoda> lol
[16:37] <rick_h> my new hero: http://codeslinger.posterous.com/if-youre-using-nodejs-youre-doing-life-wrong
[16:37] <rick_h> says the guy that's written node code a few times
[16:44] <tjagoda> lol
[17:23] <Blazeix> how is yui on nodejs? does it fix a few of those issues?
[17:25] <rick_h> some I guess, since you're using YUI modules you get some namespacing
[17:25] <rick_h> doens't do anything for V8, callback fun, etc
[17:27] <Blazeix> if you're doing the mvc stuff, i'd think that would fix some of the callback chains
[17:27] <Blazeix> since you have a more eventy model
[17:28] <rick_h> yea, but that's just the logic part. You've still got to get the routing/request processing and response setup done
[17:28] <Blazeix> going to lunch, but this is an interesting discussion...
[17:28] <rick_h> node.js is really pretty bare bones, now you end up stacking a framework on top like anything else
[17:29] <rick_h> yea, have fun at lunch
[18:25] <rick_h> *sigh* bzr, I want to believe...but quit sucking!!!!
[18:26] <snap-l> heh
[18:26]  * Wolfger gets rick_h one of those X-Files "I want to believe" posters
[18:27] <Wolfger> how many years (months?) til you convert LP to Git or quit in disgust?
[18:27] <rick_h> hah, there you go
[18:27] <rick_h> I've just got to make it until the end of the year and I'll get something different with a diferent stack of tools (though still not git in all likelyhood)
[18:28] <rick_h> dammit, why does a bzr push take *minute(s)* at 400kB/s?
[18:29] <Wolfger> because awesomeness takes its time?
[18:29] <Wolfger> It's cool, like The Fonz. Nobody ever rushes The Fonz.
[18:31] <brousch> Wolfger++
[18:43] <rick_h> dammit bzr, why are you trying to f@#$#ing upload 202MB of data? and dying at that point, which means it wants to upload more
[18:43] <brousch> your code sure is bloated
[18:44] <brousch> you including the Eclipse executable in there?
[18:45] <rick_h> doh, you're not supposed to see that
[18:45] <rick_h> and all my java stack since it's a build requirement now
[18:50] <jrwren> wtf?
[18:50]  * jrwren stops using canonical software
[18:51] <jrwren> tehy cannot be trusted
[18:51] <rick_h> :)
[18:52] <rick_h> heh, there we go. Had to make a new branch off of dev, merge the branch that was having push issues, and then push from the new branch
[18:52] <rick_h> finally
[19:09] <Wolfger> see? You were just using it wrong. :-)
[19:09] <rick_h> ummm yea, that's it
[19:09] <Wolfger> lol
[19:10] <brousch> you're pushing it wrong. try using the other hand
[19:10] <rick_h> ah, needed the *other* bzr push command
[19:11] <snap-l> Anyone got a link to the CoC?
[19:18] <brousch> it has the kernel of a good question
[19:19] <brousch> how to use the same database and settings from my pyramid app in a cron job
[19:19] <rick_h> an no one in there goes "dude, wtf...break apart the code that does the cron part and import it into your web app and your cron script...done"
[19:19] <rick_h> they're all full of firing off little mini wsgi servers and firing off a request to it
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h: eah, but the kernel of the question is "Look, I already set up all this stuff to interface with stuff. I don't want to decouple that and have to duplicate effort"
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h: THAT part pisses me off
[19:20] <snap-l> if you have to fire up a web server to do automated processes, you're doing it wrong
[19:21] <rick_h> right!
[19:21] <rick_h> but no one says that in all those answers
[19:21] <snap-l> Save for the "It's in Pyramid"
[19:22] <rick_h> snap-l: hehe " Build failed in Jenkins: staples_dash #255"
[19:22] <rick_h> guess I'm still somewhere
[19:22] <snap-l> *cough*useworkemailforwork*cough*
[19:23] <snap-l> ;)
[19:23] <rick_h> snap-l: uh huh...because work allows for perfect open imap access so I could get it at home in case builds failed didn't it...
[19:23] <rick_h> oh right! it's firewalled and blocked off like a mofo that requires vpn :P
[19:23] <snap-l> *cough*kerio*cough*
[19:24] <brousch> oh man, i have people here who are failing to understand that. damn fools bought android phones and hooked it to their work google account
[19:28] <snap-l> rick_h: Also got VPN working pretty well. :)
[19:32] <rick_h> snap-l: cool, yea it works pretty well just not great from a phone
[19:32] <rick_h> snap-l: I ended up running an smtp relay server off my desktop that was ssh tunnelled through my colo server so I could smtp without the vpn
[19:33] <snap-l> Ah, right
[19:41] <Wolfger> listening to rick_h's bzr woes, I now have "p-push it real good" stuck in my head
[19:43] <brousch> good song
[19:43] <rick_h> heh, glad I can help
[19:59] <krondor> Trying to play with octopress it is now clear to me I have no clue what I'm doing with ruby.
[19:59] <rick_h> heh
[20:00] <krondor> seriously I can't even get rvm working on ubuntu (but I am blaming my work proxy on blowing up rvm install so far)
[20:00] <krondor> bah this needs more caffeine brb
[20:01] <rick_h> I think rbenv is the hot kid on the block now
[20:01] <rick_h> just heads up
[20:02] <snap-l> Bah
[20:03] <jrwren> rvm is pretty damn easy to roll... must be your proxy.
[20:03] <jrwren> can you get through it with HTTP_PROXY env var ?
[20:03] <snap-l> What does rbenv offer now? Do I just run sudo and let it configure itself automagically?
[20:04] <jrwren> you shouldn't sudo at all.
[20:04] <jrwren> the whole point is that it is a non system environment
[20:04] <brousch> like virtualenv, right?
[20:04] <rick_h> yea
[20:04] <snap-l> jrwren: That's my biggest beef with the ruby community
[20:04] <rick_h> snap-l: you're thinking node :P
[20:05] <snap-l> rick_h: pfft
[20:05] <jrwren> they don't care about wasting disk space... they just want to get shit done.
[20:05] <snap-l> jrwren: "Just download this unprotected script from github, and let us do the heavy lifting"
[20:05] <jrwren> :)
[20:06] <snap-l> After which you install half-of-the-fucking-net just to make something work
[20:06] <brousch> is there no cheeseshop for ruby?
[20:06] <rick_h> sure, rubygems.org or net or something
[20:06] <rick_h> but if you think getting python packages, keeping up to date, etc is a pain...gems are 5x worse
[20:07] <jrwren> that has not been my experience.
[20:07] <jrwren> bundler makes it damn easy, and you can install the gem per project instead of per system.
[20:07] <rick_h> really? my experience has been that people are much more likely to want you to just pull from github than to do tested releases
[20:08] <jrwren> yes, that is true
[20:08] <brousch> maybe the github is tested
[20:08] <jrwren> but the tools are built to make doing that VERY easy and without impacting cross project
[20:08] <brousch> all of the ruby people i know are test crazy
[20:08] <rick_h> Oh no doubt on installing per project and such. I just mean that the state of gems and sites like ruby gems are much less likely to be up to date/greatest vs pypi
[20:08] <jrwren> gem install blah is the latest IME.
[20:09] <jrwren> IIRC there are ways you can point gem to github
[20:09] <rick_h> yea, a lot like pip in that way
[20:09] <jrwren> so its the same as cpan or whatever else.
[20:09] <rick_h> rgr
[20:09] <snap-l> bundler is OK
[20:09] <snap-l> it's just different enough to make things interesting
[20:17] <krondor> I'm back and caffeinated but now I've decided my time wouldn't be wasted trying this at home w/ no proxy.
[20:17] <krondor> woops didn't mean for that to be a notice :|
[20:17] <rick_h> whoa, plugged my mifi into my desktop to charge and network manager in precise tried to turn it into a wired net connection
[20:17]  * rick_h wonders if that'd work hmmm
[20:18] <krondor> I expect it would depending on the mifi.
[20:30] <snap-l> rick_h: Whenever I plugged in my iPhone, Ubuntu was all set to turn it into a connection
[20:30] <snap-l> Of course I didn't have tethering set up
[20:37] <krondor> yeah I've done it with my droids with usb tethering on it and it always just worked on ubuntu and opensuse.
[20:37] <rick_h> yea, just found it strange since hte mifi is wifi only that charging it would pick it up as a device like that
[20:39] <brousch> hm, did google just screw all of you galaxy nexus owners? http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/03/google-no-longer-considers-verizons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
[20:40] <krondor> I haven't really used a mifi much, but it wouldn't surprise me if its internals weren't that far off from android phones (linux core)
[20:40] <rick_h> brousch: don't make me cry please...wtf
[20:41] <krondor> I'm thinking fallout from vzw's meddling with google wallet support
[20:42] <rick_h> come on, if that mean I will not get future android updates from google wtf!
[20:42] <krondor> sucks, but I have no doubts the community support will remain strong
[20:42] <rick_h> it was the whole point for getting this phone
[20:42] <rick_h> right, but I got this phone so I could get updated android without cyanogen and crap
[20:43] <krondor> rick_h:  I doubt you'd get cut out of updates, but maybe updates would need vzw blessing first so added time
[20:43] <krondor> still sucks
[20:43] <rick_h> well that was always assumed, but if it's not a dev phone...
[20:43]  * rick_h goes off to get really fired up before going to his vzw store again to find out why calls aren't going throgh to his phone...
[20:43] <brousch> looks like i sit on the droid for a while longer to see how this shakes out
[20:44] <krondor> woot time to go home and try ruby again
[20:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh man


[01:02] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer: now fixed up to samsungq1u full target creation
[01:02] <lool> evolution-data-server finally decided to build on i386
[01:02] <ToddBrandt> lool: sweet, I'll try rebuilding again
[01:03] <bspencer> lool, hm.. is that  a known problem?
[01:03] <lool> bspencer: Which one?
[01:05] <bspencer> lool,  what is samsungglu ?
[01:05] <lool> samsung q1 ultra full
[01:05] <bspencer> oh
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: you online?
[08:44] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: yes
[08:48] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: how do I see the list of bugs assigned to moblin-applets for hardy?
[08:48] <ToddBrandt> Are they mixed in with the gutsy bugs?
[08:49] <ToddBrandt> I finally have a working hardy image and want to get some of these bugs off the radar
[08:51] <Mithrandir> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moblin-applets/ you mean?
[08:52] <ToddBrandt> ahh, there it is
[08:52] <ToddBrandt> thanks
[14:44] <cgregan> Is there a wiki out there for setting up a Xephyr session for UME?
[14:45] <RwL> cgregan: no a wiki, but I finally got UME going in Xephyr via these instructions: http://www.moblin.org/documentation_howto/howto_create-image.php
[14:45] <cgregan> RwL: Thanks
[14:46] <RwL> do you already have a version of Moblin Image Creator installed?
[15:12] <RwL> can anyone point me to a list of the default home screen apps for UME? I've been messing around, installing all kinds of things to see if they'll work, and I've found myself with 65 icons when I view all. Wondering which ones made it on there with which installations.
[16:03] <smoser> does anyone know the difference between "Mobile Developer" and "Mobile Engineer" (http://www.ubuntu.com/employment) ?
[16:06] <lool> RwL: The default list should be mostly the one pulled by the ubuntu-mobile meta package
[16:06] <lool> RwL: Any FreeDesktop app is probably listed by default for now
[16:06] <agoliveira> smoser: The Ubuntu Mobile Engineer will work with the core team and  Developer with MID Team which has different responsabilities.
[16:06] <smagoun> smoser: there's not much practical difference. I think one reports to the core ubuntu mobile team, and one works for the team that customizes UM for various OEM/ODMs. The two teams work quite closely, and many responsibilities are shared.
[16:07] <lool> smagoun: But if you're smart, take the UME one
[16:07] <lool> :-P
[16:07] <lool> s/smagoung/smoser, but just kidding anyway
[16:08] <smagoun> lool: nah, we (MID/MSG Team) get more new hardware to play with!
[16:08] <smoser> agoliveira, smagoun thanks.  I had thought that it might be a statement of level (ie, one being a promotion from the other).
[16:08] <smoser> thanks.
[16:09] <smagoun> smoser: no promotion that I'm aware of, if you find out there is one please let me know!
[16:09] <lool> smoser: If you're good enough, you can get the UME position from the start, yeah
[16:09] <lool> Ah /me stops joking and gets back to work
[16:10] <agoliveira> smagoun: Yeah that gives you some geek points but I rather work from my home or from the beach if I want to :)
[16:10] <lool> agoliveira: Hmm I think Lexington isn't a hard requirement anymore now
[16:10] <smagoun> agoliveira: I work in the office, and I get to sit RIGHT NEXT TO ChickenCutlass.
[16:11] <lool> smagoun: And that's a feature?  :)
[16:11] <Sciri> And I get to throw things at smagoun.
[16:11] <agoliveira> lool: Can you please, don't spoil my turn in the pissing contest? :)
[16:11] <agoliveira> smagoun: Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know that. :P
[16:31] <RwL> lool: afraid I don't know how to find/identify that meta package... I found /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-mobile via find but all I see is the changelog
[16:36] <lool> RwL: It's a package, you'll see it in your preferred package manager!?!
[16:36] <lool> RwL: "apt-get install ubuntu-mobile" will install it for example
[16:41] <RwL> ah, OK... I'm browsing the package now in Synaptic but I'm still clueless on how to identify where or how it pulls the list of default apps I was interested in.
[16:58] <lool> Meeting in 2
[16:59]  * ToddBrandt is here
[17:00]  * agoliveira is here but forgot the coffee... sigh...
[17:00] <lool> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is lool.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <lool> Hi all
[17:00] <ToddBrandt> oy
[17:00] <lool> Let's start with the action items!
[17:00] <lool> [topic] Debbie to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted]
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Debbie to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted]
[17:01] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Heya; so I think you did this
[17:01] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: yes I did.
[17:01] <DebbieFoghorn> The charts are on our internal wiki
[17:01] <lool> So you wrote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage
[17:02] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Could you please promote the chart on the public wiki?  I think Pat gave is ok
[17:02] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: Sure, I'll do that now.
[17:02] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Thanks; should I keep the action open?  I guess not, people will see them on the same wiki page, right?
[17:03] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: And thanks for putting that together
[17:03] <lool> Moving to next action otem
[17:03] <lool> *item sorry
[17:03] <lool> [topic] kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored [cted]f
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored [cted]f
[17:03] <lool> kyleN: I see you compiled some results on the wiki already
[17:03] <lool> kyleN: Tell us more
[17:05] <kyleN> for some reason, I am seeing no messages. I will log out and in.
[17:05] <lool> See you in a sec
[17:05] <lool> kyleN: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136/
[17:06] <lool> kyleN: Seeing messages now?
[17:07] <lool> Hmm I guess we'll defer the actions to later in the meeting
[17:07] <kyleN> hey
[17:07] <kyleN> there it is
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: hey, you copy now?
[17:07] <kyleN> is it my action item?
[17:07] <kyleN> yes
[17:07] <kyleN> irc client bug, sorry
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: It is
[17:08] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136
[17:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136
[17:08] <kyleN> ok, I made progress on my action
[17:08] <kyleN> the problem as I see it is translating hildon
[17:08] <kyleN> i divided it into a series of problems and came up with solutions
[17:09] <lool> kyleN: Are these on the wiki?
[17:09] <kyleN> I wrote it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation
[17:09] <kyleN> the bottom line is that I now see a path towards translating hildon
[17:09] <kyleN> which is a relief
[17:09] <kyleN> it will require several things, but see the wiki
[17:09] <kyleN> there are a couple questions near the bottom that need addressing
[17:10] <lool> Not quite sure why you started a new page instead of changing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack
[17:10] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation
[17:10] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack
[17:11] <kyleN> translating hildon is related but different
[17:12] <lool> Well I see many common tasks in both pages
[17:12] <kyleN> fine. I wrote this last night at 2 a.m.
[17:13] <lool> So back to the action point, the actual goal was to build domains <-> source packages maps; I see a map at the bottom of your page
[17:14] <lool> It seems that it's a consumer map; do you also have a provider map?
[17:14] <kyleN> i don't know what you mean
[17:14] <lool> It's a list of where domains are in use; do you have a list of where to find templates?
[17:14] <kyleN> yes, i describe it in the wiki
[17:15] <kyleN> each of the source packages I ID there has the appropriate source template
[17:15] <lool> Oh it's on the right, ok
[17:15] <kyleN> what I did was:
[17:15] <lool> kyleN: Looks good
[17:15] <kyleN> 1) find all domains called by hildon packages we use
[17:16] <kyleN> 2) find the source templates in maemo
[17:16] <kyleN> it took a lot of work to get there, but c'est la vie
[17:16] <kyleN> and describe how we can actually translate hildon, with a couple options
[17:17] <kyleN> and open questions
[17:17] <lool> kyleN: The results are quite useful though: we now can tell what we miss and where we will find it
[17:17] <kyleN> cool.
[17:17] <kyleN> some of it is automated using my python tool.
[17:17] <kyleN> that's the part that analyzes source packages nad provides a report of domains called
[17:18] <lool> kyleN: That's excellent, it means that if hildon folks add modules or move things around, we can rebuild the map
[17:18] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: FYI, the bootcharts are now uploaded to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage.  Let me know if you need anything else from me.
[17:18] <kyleN> yes, with some work
[17:18] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Thanks
[17:18] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage
[17:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage
[17:18] <lool> Ok; thanks a lot to kyleN
[17:18] <lool> Moving to next action now
[17:18] <kyleN> my pleasure
[17:19] <lool> [topic] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: It's you again \o/ :)
[17:19] <kyleN> alas, I will have to take another pass on this, offering up the usual (but valid) excuses
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: So some meetings ago we wondered what hildon-help is and whether we need it
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: Ok
[17:19] <lool> [action] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <lool> [topic] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted]
[17:20] <lool> So
[17:20] <lool> I didn't see any uploads of these; did someone work on them?
[17:20] <lool> bfiller_, smagoun, horaceli (bspencer?)?
[17:20] <smagoun> lool: no time yet :(
[17:20] <lool> agoliveira
[17:20] <lool> I didn't do my second module either
[17:20] <bfiller_> lool: same here, did not get to it
[17:21] <lool> I know agoliveira was in conference last week
[17:21]  * agoliveira is ashamed to say not yet but intends to complete until next meeting saving any emergency.
[17:21] <lool> Ok; so I'm keeping the weekly review open
[17:21] <lool> [action] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:21] <lool> [topic] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted]
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted]
[17:21] <lool> It's my turn to announce I failed doing this again
[17:22] <bspencer> lool:  We /would/ have done our Hildon 2.0 update... but we didn't have a document to follow
[17:22] <bspencer> :P
[17:22] <lool> Easter, busy week, and Moblin conf call yesterday; I didn't manage to put a solid chunk of time to do it
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: Ah, I do have notes on that
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: I'll add them to the Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: The path I followed is quite painful, some shortcuts can be taken
[17:23]  * agoliveira didn't like much the last lool's line :)
[17:23] <lool> [action] lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[17:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[17:23] <lool> agoliveira: It actually means you wont have a nearly as painful path ;)
[17:24] <lool> Back to documenting the tarball -> ppa update process; I'll do it tomorrow for sure unless hit by a truck or a new high priority assignment, but it's highest on my todo list I swear
[17:24] <lool> s/swear/promess
[17:24] <lool> swearing is bad
[17:25] <lool> [action] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:25] <lool> [topic] lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted]
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted]
[17:25] <lool> Hmm this is about the same
[17:25] <lool> Not quite sure why I have it as two actions; but i'll send it to rustyl_ immediately after it's written!
[17:26] <rustyl_> ok
[17:26] <lool> [action] lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:26] <lool> [topic] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week]
[17:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week]
[17:26] <lool> rustyl_: So hmm, nothing to discuss; I'm still blocking you sadly, but should resolve tomorrow
[17:26] <rustyl_> ok
[17:27] <lool> [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...]
[17:27] <lool> [topic] ToddBrandt to talk to bspencer and mawhalen about the merging with Hardy and bfiller and lool, etc.
[17:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...]
[17:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  ToddBrandt to talk to bspencer and mawhalen about the merging with Hardy and bfiller and lool, etc.
[17:27] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer, mawhalen: ^
[17:27] <lool> We didn't do this
[17:27] <bspencer> true... remind again about it?
[17:27] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer, mawhalen: we're happy to host the confcall if needs be; could you send bfiller_ and myself an agenda?
[17:28] <lool> bspencer: I have no idea, I understand it was proposed by you folks; probably in last week's minutes
[17:28] <bspencer> yeah, I proposed it
[17:28] <mawhalen> I don't know what this is either
[17:28] <bspencer> what were we talking about though.
[17:28] <bspencer> merging Control Panel applets with upstream ?
[17:28] <bfiller_> bspencer: it had to do with keeping moblin-applets in sync (or not) with gnome
[17:28] <ToddBrandt> oh right
[17:29] <bspencer> ok.  it's all coming back to me now
[17:29] <bspencer> yeah, we didn't do that yet.
[17:29] <lool> I think davidm requested this action twice
[17:29] <ToddBrandt> the plusses and minuses of maintaining moblin-applets with completely up-to-date additions from its parent package: gnome-control-center
[17:29] <lool> I didn't quite understand it last week TBH
[17:29] <fbc> Hi all! I just read the write up on fullcirclemagazine.org and was wondering whether there would be a branch of the project that would run on Intels Xscale processors such as those in the Motorola Q's?
[17:29] <lool> fbc: We're in the middle of a meeting right now; could you ask after the meeting?  Thanks!
[17:29] <fbc> all.. sry
[17:29] <bspencer> lool: continue the action.
[17:30] <bspencer> what time can we meet to discuss ?
[17:30] <bspencer> Monday...10amPDT ?
[17:30] <lool> bspencer: The 5pm UTC slot could be a good one for; it's morning for MSG and evening here
[17:30] <lool> Early morning for you
[17:30] <bspencer> 5pm == ?
[17:30] <bspencer> ?PDT
[17:30] <lool> 10am PDT => 17 UTC, we agree :)
[17:31] <lool> IIUC
[17:31] <bspencer> yeah, "early" through me off
[17:31] <lool> Ah there's a catch, I'm switching to summer time this WE
[17:31] <bfiller_> bspencer, lool: that works for me
[17:31] <lool> One hour earlier would be preferable for me, but I can do it
[17:32] <bspencer> Monday 10am sound OK for ToddBrandt mawhalen  (maybe rustyl_ if he's around) for a short discussion on future of moblin-applets vs. gnome ?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> sounds good
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> oh wait, this monday?
[17:32] <lool> Yes
[17:32] <mawhalen> Is is a phone meeting or IRC?
[17:32] <lool> mawhalen: phone
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> Crap, I have an appointment with my accoundtant this monday
[17:32] <lool> Wednesday?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> can you make it Tuesday?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> sure
[17:32] <lool> Or Tuesday would work at that time
[17:33] <lool> bfiller_: Tuesday?
[17:33] <bspencer> Tues yes, Wed no.
[17:33] <lool> I'm not sure davidm's conference line is free though
[17:33] <bspencer> we can set the conference, np.
[17:33] <bfiller_> lool: Tuesday works
[17:33] <lool> bspencer: Can you send us details for Tuesday, 5pm UTC?
[17:33] <bspencer> I'll send an invite for Tue 10am PDT  5PM utc
[17:33] <bspencer> ACTION bOB...
[17:34] <lool> bspencer: Well no need to review this "action" next week ;)
[17:34] <bspencer> sure
[17:34] <lool> Ok; done with action items
[17:34] <lool> Moving to current items
[17:34] <lool> [topic] Moblin implementation of gettext and intltool, how's it going? (kyleN)
[17:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Moblin implementation of gettext and intltool, how's it going? (kyleN)
[17:34] <kyleN> Lool and I both wrote up wiki pages on impl'ing i18n. I believe Moblin was going to do this for all relevant packages (those that expose strings in UI). What is the status of this effort?
[17:35] <lool> bspencer, rustyl_: Could we assign i18nization or at least l10nization to Moblin projects maintainers?
[17:35] <bspencer> we've filed bugs for outstand i18n bugts in media player
[17:35] <bspencer> most are fixed.  media import still has a bug
[17:35] <bspencer> I know of one other moblin-media location that isn't yet i18n
[17:35] <lool> bspencer: Which Moblin projects are i18ned/miss it?
[17:36] <bspencer> cwong... hm, not online.
[17:36] <lool> If you don't have the information and think you can build it, can we build it for next week?
[17:36] <bspencer> I think browser is already, following Firefox mechanism
[17:36] <bspencer> lool: yes.
[17:36] <bspencer> ToddBrandt: is appletsw i18n ?
[17:36] <lool> bspencer: Ok for you to take the action?
[17:36] <bspencer> lool: love to
[17:36] <lool> Cool
[17:36] <HappyCamp_laptop> kyleN: Can you send the link to the wiki page?  for i18n stuff
[17:36] <ToddBrandt> moblin-applets is, is that what you mean?
[17:36] <lool> [action] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[17:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[17:37] <kyleN> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode
[17:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode
[17:38] <kyleN> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart
[17:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart
[17:38] <lool> Ok; sounds like a plan then
[17:38] <lool> Anything else on the topic?
[17:38] <HappyCamp_laptop> thanks
[17:38] <kyleN> not from me, thank god
[17:38] <kyleN> ;)
[17:38] <lool> No other topic to discuss?
[17:39] <kyleN> one
[17:39] <HappyCamp_laptop> so nothing about i18n for python?
[17:39] <ToddBrandt> lool: what about the gtk_theme gconf stuff I was supposed to add to moblin-setings-daemon
[17:39] <kyleN> HappyCamp_laptop: I actually mention MIC as a model for doing it in python
[17:39] <lool> ToddBrandt: Hmm how come we missed that action
[17:39] <ToddBrandt> lool: it's there now in GASTON
[17:39] <HappyCamp_laptop> k.  The title I thought said C code from my very quick look.  Will check it out :)
[17:39] <kyleN> ToddBrandt: thanks for remembering
[17:39] <lool> ToddBrandt: For some reason, it's not on the action list
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: Let's do it
[17:40] <lool> [topic] ToddBrandt's action on gtk_theme gconf stuff for moblin-setings-daemon
[17:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  ToddBrandt's action on gtk_theme gconf stuff for moblin-setings-daemon
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> lool: I haven't put it in hardy yet because I need to test it on gaston first, is there an app you'd like me to make sure works?
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: I see you committed stuff on that today
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> yea
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: I think that if you test it works with gconftool-2, it will be good enough
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> oh that's it?
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> not theme-switcher or anything, ok
[17:41] <lool> ToddBrandt: Well I think that's all you were asked, but then if you feel like also implementing a theme switching applet, you would be welcome
[17:41] <kyleN> +1
[17:41] <ToddBrandt> I need to, it's on my plate, it's just way off on the side of the plate, I'll look at that this week
[17:42] <lool> ToddBrandt: But thanks for your efforts in implementing this
[17:42] <ToddBrandt> no problem, sorry for the lateness btw
[17:42] <kyleN> totally
[17:42] <lool> I think it was a missing infrastructure for MSG folks which can now happily implement some theme switching in /some way/ :)
[17:42] <lool> Ok; any other topic to discuss today?
[17:42] <kyleN> one
[17:42] <lool> kyleN: Go ahead
[17:42] <kyleN> can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media?
[17:43] <lool> [topic] (kyleN) can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media?
[17:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  (kyleN) can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media?
[17:43] <lool> kyleN: So you're seeing a bug or missing feature and would like to know whether support or fixing support for this is planned?
[17:43] <patm> kyleN, while in Portland I was told that this feature was removed due to lack of interest, although I did not see the discussion that lead to that
[17:44] <kyleN> nor I
[17:44] <kyleN> I think it's very much wanted and appropriate
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: Who would know?
[17:44] <bspencer> no gestures
[17:44] <bspencer> what does gestures mean?
[17:44] <bspencer> when were there gestures?
[17:44] <kyleN> it measns lide finger to right to page to next photo
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: You move the stylus to the right, it switches to the next song
[17:45] <kyleN> slide finger to scale up, scale down
[17:45] <kyleN> slide to rotate
[17:45] <bspencer> yeah, I understand
[17:45] <kyleN> these used to work
[17:45] <bspencer> witt the current media player no gestures are planned
[17:45] <bspencer> they didn't work with the current navigation though
[17:45] <kyleN> (maybe not scale)
[17:45] <bspencer> touch zoom, panning, etc.
[17:45] <bspencer> they would just surprise the user
[17:45] <patm> bspencer, who decided for panning over gestures?
[17:45] <bspencer> me
[17:46] <patm> our issue is the customer had this interface for 3 months then it disappeared
[17:46]  * agoliveira thinks this should be done in a lower lever to be avaiable to every application.
[17:46] <bspencer> patm: you could go back to pre-panning and get the code
[17:46] <bspencer> I honestly found it awkward, esp when there was no visual feedback
[17:47] <bspencer> you would move your finger and suddenly the picture changed
[17:47] <lool> But it's in CocoaTouch!
[17:47] <patm> I understand, was there a discussion about the change?
[17:47] <bspencer> :)
[17:47] <bspencer> we changed it about 4 months ago or more.  Bfeore our last get together
[17:47] <patm> I will have to ask the customers which they prefer now
[17:48] <bspencer> patm: ok.  Let me know and we can find the previous code
[17:48] <patm> bspencer, appreciate some help, thanks
[17:48] <lool> patm: "We want both with a setting to switch between the two" muahahaa
[17:48] <kyleN> lol w/ lool
[17:48] <patm> lool, yikes
[17:49] <lool> Okely; anything more on the topic?
[17:49] <lool> Anybody with an additional surprize topic?
[17:49] <patm> I have one
[17:49] <lool> Go ahead
[17:49]  * agoliveira runs away as fast as possible
[17:49] <patm> who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team?
[17:50] <patm> like for marvell 8686 an d8688
[17:50] <mawhalen> It's Feng Tang
[17:50] <lool> [topic] (patm) who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team?
[17:50] <patm> mawhalen, will you be on the cal later?
[17:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  (patm) who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team?
[17:50] <alek_desk> tang feng
[17:51] <mawhalen> patm: I will and I had sent your previous email to Feng and just got a reply back
[17:51] <alek_desk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:51] <mawhalen> We can discuss
[17:51] <patm> ok we can defer until the call thanks
[17:51] <mawhalen> in the next meting
[17:51] <mawhalen> meeting
[17:51] <patm> ok lool thanks
[17:51] <lool> Okay; topic seems done
[17:51] <mawhalen> lool: are you calling for opens?
[17:51] <fbc> How about moblelin for xscale?
[17:52] <lool> mawhalen: I'm waiting for any other topic to discuss today
[17:52] <lool> fbc: See FAQ in topic
[17:52] <fbc> lool, k
[17:52] <agoliveira> fbc: Please, check the FAQ.
[17:52] <mawhalen> lool: we should discuss PPM - patm could lead.
[17:52] <mawhalen> mbbas is online
[17:52] <mawhalen> sorry - mabbas
[17:52] <HappyCamp_laptop> fbc did anyone mention the FAQ ;)
[17:52] <lool> [topic] (mawhalen) PPM discussion
[17:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  (mawhalen) PPM discussion
[17:52] <bspencer> lool:  do I have to update the website, or can I just mention that both hardy and non-hardy images were broken this week but are now fixed and should be working.  <end of topic>
[17:52] <lool> mawhalen: Could you introduce the topic?
[17:53] <mawhalen> I was under the impression that there were opens with PPM that need to be discussed.
[17:53] <lool> bspencer: Not quite sure which website you mean?
[17:53] <patm> mabbas, mawhalen there was a discussion at the last sprint...
[17:53] <lool> patm: Do you have questions on ppm?
[17:53] <mawhalen> patm: i can't find the minutes
[17:53] <patm> and a number of actions were captured and posted to the wiki
[17:53] <lool> bspencer: But sure, do update it if you like
[17:53] <patm> I sent a pointer but it is on an internal shared wiki not public
[17:54] <patm> the basic question is status vs that work, and the current state of the PPM
[17:54] <patm> is it in use for anything in the current build, was the power button logic intergated to it?
[17:55]  * lool (female voice) tuduh    FIVE
[17:55] <patm> were the modularization changes to run scripts made to it?
[17:55] <mabbas> do I reporta status here?
[17:55] <bspencer> lool:  clever :)
[17:55] <patm> mabbas, briefly then a follow up email?
[17:56] <mawhalen> patm: and just caught up with email, I'll send the list to Mohamed from the wiki
[17:56] <bspencer> mabbas:  we have an ongoing AR to send a status report of the week's work for mobile stuff to this list.  Then we can discuss any outstanding issues here.  But give a brief status if you want.
[17:57] <mabbas> I just got a request to integrate S3 and S4 into and now in the process to add these feature
[17:57] <mabbas> I have not done any thing for the power button logic intergated to it
[17:57] <mabbas> Who to contact for power button?
[17:58]  * lool 2 minutes to end of meeting; can't stay longer, but I'm happy to delegate
[17:58] <patm> mawhalen, lets also discuss next meeting
[17:59] <patm> I don't want to take over for lool
[17:59] <patm> lool, can we have an action to check PPM status next meeting?
[17:59] <lool> mawhalen: Can you open an item for next meeting?
[18:00] <mawhalen> yes
[18:00] <lool> Thanks!
[18:00] <GrueMaster> Very brief update.
[18:00] <GrueMaster> quick update for \sh:  wine for lpia seems to work.  System installed ie4lnx without errupting into fire and brimstone.
[18:00] <GrueMaster> Haven't tested any games.
[18:00] <lool> Cool
[18:00] <lool> Any other topic?
[18:01] <lool> Ok; thanks a lot to everybody for making it to the meeting!
[18:01] <lool> #endmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:02.
[19:18] <\sh> GrueMaster_away: thx for testing...I'm trying to enable wine for lpia :)
[19:52] <GrueMaster> \sh:  I'm back.  I didn't see any major issues with installing and running wine.
[19:53] <GrueMaster> And I don't think it will damage any platforms.
[19:58] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster, ping
[19:59] <GrueMaster> Pong
[20:00] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster, have question about the mesa libs in psb Beta9, do the libglut so files need to be installed as well for the 3d driver to work correctly?
[20:01] <GrueMaster> No, but I think they are modified for better performance.  I just finished rebuilding for today's hardy snapshot.  I'll test it as soon as I'm done eating and get back to you.
[20:02] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: thanks
[21:03] <GrueMaster> inuka_desk:  Ping.  The only thing I see that isn't in Ubuntu by default or added by the PSB drivers is libglut.so and libGLw.so
[21:06] <GrueMaster> And I don't see any performance differences with or without them.  libGL.so and libGLU.so are also different (same names), but copying all the new drivers over the top doesn't change performance of GLXGears.
[21:07] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: the mesa libs from upstream has changes to libgl1 libglu1 which seems to make performance better for gutsy. Mesa also has libglut in it was wondering if that needs to be installed over freeglut.
[21:08] <GrueMaster> The hardy image I have didn't have libglut installed, and I don't see any difference with it.
[21:08] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: thanks, that answers my question.
[22:45] <fetter_oml> moin moin
[23:48] <GrueMaster> Anyone know what the procedure is for filing a bug?  I need to see if one is filed for changing resolutions.
[23:49] <fetter_oml> im sry, no :/
[23:50] <bspencer> is lool still around ?
[23:51] <StevenK> It's 10 to 1 am in Paris, so doubtfully
[23:51] <bspencer> yeah, but he's a crazy man
[23:58] <fetter_oml> goodnight everyone (here in .de is one o clock :D )