[23:34] <hombre-4> I was installing some packages with dpkg and then I accidentaly the whole system!
[23:34] <takoylis> how i can sync my iphone4 with ubuntu to transfer music to it
[23:34] <barf_> What is wrong if after install Ubuntu 11.04 shows for a short while, then shows a blinking underscore in the top left corner, forever.
[23:34] <Captainkrtek> kblin, well avahi does network discovery so it'd make sense for it to use LLMNR on port 5355
[23:35] <malobueno> i need enter to spanish channel
[23:35] <takoylis> how i can sync my iphone4 with ubuntu to transfer music to it
[23:35] <nit-wit> malobueno, your looking for a spanish channel?
[23:35] <rww> malobueno: /join #ubuntu-es
[23:35] <RadarG> I would like advice on determining if Drupal is right for me
[23:35] <takoylis> how i can sync my iphone4 with ubuntu to transfer music to it
[23:35] <jo5hua> hombre-4, you accidentally did what to the whole system?
[23:35] <kblin> Captainkrtek: avahi does mDNS, which is different from LLMNR
[23:35] <pyQ> hello*
[23:35] <moroki> takoylis: it might help if you had a program to do that...... Im sure there are several
[23:35] <pyQ> can I install gcc two version side bu side
[23:36] <pyQ> sudo aptitude install gcc-4.2-multilib libstdc++6-4.2-dev
[23:36] <Captainkrtek> kblin, true, not sure why it uses it then
[23:36] <hombre-4> jo5hua: I'm not very ecperienced in shell, so I was trying 'man' and commands, but then I accidentally the whole system :/
[23:36] <takoylis> i have many that simply dont work
[23:36] <RadarG> I was wondering if I can use Drupal with mediawiki?
[23:36] <pyQ> this will uninstall pre gcc version
[23:36] <malobueno> THANK YOU nit
[23:36] <joakimk> Felnotz: so, you think this is possible to get working? Have a feeling I shoulnd't have upgraded... :(
[23:36] <pyQ> non?
[23:36] <aaron_c> i'm also trying to figure out how to sync audio from iphone4 to ubuntu
[23:36] <Felnotz> joakimk: After installation, you'll have to logout, and select 'Unity 2D' in the little drop down menu in the login prompt
[23:36] <aaron_c> ^takoylis
[23:36] <Captainkrtek> kblin, according to another site (this (port) is useful in networks that do not deploy DNS servers.)
[23:36] <Felnotz> joakimk: This is possible to get working, don't worry
[23:36] <ndxtg> I need Ubuntu with GUI but only the web browser. What is the fastest way to install it? Do I install normal Ubuntu and remove the components one by one?
[23:36] <aaron_c> takoylis: have you tried rhythmnbox?
[23:36] <joakimk> Felnotz: OK, it's installed. Trying a logout :) Be right back, and thanks a BUNCH!!
[23:36] <jo5hua> accidentally what - deleted the whole system? Please be more specific :)
[23:36] <Captainkrtek> ndxtg, so you're running just a terminal?
[23:37] <Felnotz> joakimk: Anytime!
[23:37] <hombre-4> yes the whole system
[23:37] <jo5hua> Do you remember what command you entered?
[23:37] <Stormx2> I'm trying to do data recovery on a corrupt ext3 partition. fsck complains of a bad superblock, but I know the file data is there (I can see it using foremost). Any tips on recovering a badly corrupted ext3 filesystem?
[23:37] <kblin> Captainkrtek: the fun part is that I'm currently reading through upstream sources. it shouldn't bind to that port. so I was wondering if ubuntu had some extra magic going into this package
[23:37] <ndxtg> Captainkrtek: no, with GUI and web browser (i.e.the system is to view images/videos in web browser only)
[23:37] <Jordan_U> Stormx2: How did it become corrupted?
[23:38] <Captainkrtek> ndxtg, sorry a bit confused with your setup
[23:38] <Captainkrtek> kblin, haha good luck!
[23:38] <qin> Stormx2: make image first, try testdisk to recover partition, or photorec for data.
[23:38] <ndxtg> Captainkrtek: i have nothing yet, gonna install but unsure what is the fastest way :(
[23:39] <Felnotz> joakimk: How'd it go?
[23:39] <xereniak> my computer wont show the ubuntu install screen... just some blank desktop.
[23:39] <RadarG> does anyone know is mediawiki will let you have individual accounts and upload files such as pic,mp3,pdf is there a lighter wiki option that might be better?
[23:39] <joakimk> Felnotz: hi :) Well, now I have the new desktop :) But, I still get garbage pixels whenever I move a window around...
[23:39] <Captainkrtek> ndxtg, so what is the fastest way to get a web browser installed?
[23:39] <joakimk> Felnotz: I selected Unity 2D when loggin gin
[23:40] <Stormx2> Jordan_U, it's a friend's drive. He said he woke up one morning and it wouldn't boot.
[23:40] <Felnotz> joakimk: hmm.. maybe your CPU is lagging your computer
[23:40] <Felnotz> joakimk: Try logging out, and selecting Ubuntu Classic instead of Unity 2D
[23:40] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, try and uninstall compiz by going to System Settings > Synaptic Package Manager
[23:40] <joakimk> Felnotz: it's an Intel Core 2 duo
[23:40] <Stormx2> qin, done, but I'm not getting a great deal of useful output from carving (photorec/foremost/whatever)
[23:40] <nit-wit> xereniak, power on the computer hit the shift key and hold it down if you get a try or installgui hit f6 choose nomodeset and boot in
[23:40] <qin> Stormx2: Did you try to mount it?
[23:40] <Stormx2> Yes, but even fsck won't touch it
[23:40] <ndxtg> Captainkrtek: what is the fastest way to install a Ubuntu-based system that only contains GUI web browser? other components (open offices, GIMP etc should not be installed)
[23:40] <jo5hua> xereniak, do you remember what command you entered? And when you say blank desktop, do you see *anything* after you switch it on?
[23:40] <Jordan_U> Stormx2: Does the S.M.A.R.T. data show any hardware problem?
[23:40] <xereniak> umm....
[23:41] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, do this
[23:41] <xereniak> i have a menu bar at the top
[23:41] <jo5hua> What does the menu say?
[23:41] <xereniak> i can get to system settings, but it keeps crashing
[23:41] <xereniak> well, for most commands
[23:41] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, System Settings > Synaptic Package Manager > search Compiz in the top filter, then all green checkboxes, right click and mark for removal
[23:41] <Stormx2> Jordan_U, I get I/O errors in ubuntu, gparted livecd. Currently the only O/Ss that can boot with it attached are Windows and the ddrescue live cd. But no, I haven't checked SMART. I will
[23:42] <Stormx2> Jordan_U, however, ddrescue only failed to copy 512 bytes from it (near the beginning)
[23:42] <joakimk> Captainkrtek: right. Think I did that in Ubuntu 10 also
[23:42] <coldpizza72i> whats the easiest way to see if a harddrive is corrupt
[23:42] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, probably more appropriate for your setup
[23:43] <joakimk> Captainkrtek: ... because compiz is all flash and bells, right?
[23:43] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, yes, even when not running it still runs haha
[23:43] <joakimk> Felnotz: I'll try Ubuntu Classic now :)
[23:43] <joakimk> BRB :)
[23:44] <jo5hua> xereniak, unless you can be more specific with the commands you entered it might be difficult to help you
[23:44] <ImaBrokeDude> hello?
[23:44] <ImaBrokeDude> anyone know how to mod a laser?
[23:44] <xereniak> i didn't enter ANY commands
[23:44] <ImaBrokeDude> with ubuntu
[23:44] <Captainkrtek> hi ImaBrokeDude if this is not related to Ubuntu then please find a different channel
[23:44] <Captainkrtek> what do you mean mod a laser?
[23:44] <ImaBrokeDude> the laser ios supposed to be a data laser
[23:45] <einsteined> anyone know if there is a wine related channel?
[23:45] <rww> einsteined: #winehq
[23:45] <einsteined> rww: thanks I tried #wine, didn't work
[23:45] <ImaBrokeDude> in order to use it freely you are supposed to run a firmware hack through ubuntu
[23:45] <joakimk> Felnotz: hmm... It looked very good there, but I still get errors in redrawing the background/desktop
[23:45] <joakimk> ...I like having the classic desktop back, though :)
[23:45] <commoncents> im running ubuntu studio 11.04 and my computer wont connect to the internet via wifi or lan i had a wifi connection yesterday
[23:46] <Felnotz> joakimk: Did you follow Cap'n Krtek and remove Compiz?
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, you remove compiz?
[23:46] <joakimk> Felnotz: yes
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, you reboot?
[23:46] <jo5hua> xereniak, sorry, wrong nick :)
[23:46] <ImaBrokeDude> oh nvm
[23:46] <joakimk> no log out/in
[23:46] <joakimk> so reboot?
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, reboot
[23:46] <joakimk> right!
[23:46] <joakimk> hehe brb
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> k
[23:46] <FloodBot1> joakimk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:46] <pmo5> reboot or not reboot that is the question
[23:46] <joakimk> gotchas :)
[23:47] <fun-workin> hello
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> hi fun-workin anything we can help with?
[23:48] <fun-workin> yes please
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> what seems to be the issue?
[23:48] <coldpizza72i> whats the easiest way to see if a hard drive is corrupt?
[23:48] <fun-workin> i just downloaded ubuntu
[23:48] <fun-workin> and put it on usb
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> coldpizza72i, I can help with that
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> coldpizza72i, go to System Settings > Disk Utility > select drive on left, SMART Data
[23:48] <commoncents> can someone help me fix my wifi and lan connections
[23:48] <Felnotz> coldpizza72i: Go to Disk Utility, and check the S.M.A.R.T. status
[23:49] <Captainkrtek> fun-workin, it didnt work?
[23:49] <fun-workin> and the problem is that i cant make it work-> i boot from it i see menu but than if i press anything it just do nothing. any ideas ?
[23:49] <pmo5> commoncents, take a hamer and fix it
[23:49] <Captainkrtek> fun-workin, how'd you put it on the usb stick
[23:50] <fun-workin> i used Unetbootin program
[23:50] <commoncents> hammer wont quite fix it
[23:50] <Captainkrtek> fun-workin, you need to edit your BIOS boot settings
[23:50] <pmo5> commoncents, your lan seems to work to can chat with us :)
[23:50] <Captainkrtek> to make sure it tries to boot to the flash drive before your Hard Drive fun-workin
[23:50] <pmo5> commoncents, describe your problem.. show will show up and may help if he has some clue
[23:50] <commoncents> yeha from my windows desktop
[23:50] <coldpizza72i> Captainkrtek: can't seem to find it.....im on xubuntu
[23:50] <keith_> potentially stupid question - i created a directory as root, then mounted a devie to that directory as root. How do i give permission to a any user to read/write including mk directories in this new directory?
[23:51] <pmo5> commoncents, show / someone will show up
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> coldpizza72i, go to the #xubuntu channel
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> try asking in there
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> joakimk, how is it running now?
[23:51] <Felnotz> joakimk: How's it working?
[23:51] <zerokill> salu2
[23:51] <joakimk> Hi! It's much the same... Did a second reboot just to be sure
[23:51] <zerokill> alquien habla castellano aqui??
[23:51] <pmo5> commoncents, hence what sort of problem do you have..
[23:52] <commoncents> my wifi was working yesterday and noiw it wont even show available networks and it says there is a lan connection but it doesnt connect to the internet
[23:52] <Jasmin> hi, am beginner in the world of Ubuntu, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 the prob is that i can't configured the eth0 but i can see the network icon from the server
[23:52] <sebikul> !es, zerokill
[23:52] <Captainkrtek> zerokill, join #ubuntu-es
[23:52] <pmo5> commoncents, master words.. when it comes to net config.. is.. ifconfig .. netstat.. and there is others
[23:52] <takoylis> !help i want to install xbmc on ubuntu 11.04 64bit
[23:52] <fun-workin> when i turn on computer i use boot list (pressing esc on loading screen) and i pick USB, than it show me Unetbootin list in whitch contains "help" try ubuntu without install" "install ubuntu" and when i pick for example "try ubuntu" or "install" it just freeze.
[23:52] <pmo5> commoncents, you have access to the linux machine ?
[23:52] <takoylis> help i want to install xbmc on ubuntu 11.04 64bit
[23:53]  * klevi|PC pokes Felnotz
[23:53] <Felnotz> Jasmin: Welcome to Ubuntu! Are you running Ubuntu right now?
[23:53] <commoncents> yes its right next to me
[23:53] <joakimk> thanks for helping me out! Should I maybe install the ATI Catalyst Control Center, or something like that?
[23:53] <Jasmin> yes it is on the other work station
[23:53] <Captainkrtek> fun-workin, oh okay that is good, format the flash drive and try again, also depends on how fast the flash drive is, may take some time for it to load
[23:53] <Jasmin> now am connecting from the windows server
[23:53] <mactimes> Hey.  Could someone let me know what has replaced vino as remote access daemon for 11.04, if any?
[23:54] <Felnotz> Jasmin: Oh, okay, what computer model do you have?
[23:54] <joakimk> Felnotz: maybe I should log in with "Classic mode (no effects)"?
[23:54] <pmo5> commoncents, iwconfig
[23:54] <fun-workin> im afraid its not the problem i tried it on different computer and it worked fine :( (also tried already twice to remake booting usb with ubuntu)
[23:54] <Jasmin> toshiba
[23:54] <kblin> Captainkrtek: ah, silly me. avahi listens on 5353, which is mdns, llmnr is 5355
[23:54] <Felnotz> joakimk: Yes, that will most likely fix it!
[23:54] <Jasmin> laptop
[23:54] <kblin> Captainkrtek: misread my netstat output
[23:54] <pmo5> commoncents, iwconfig on console will tell you if there is any wlan device on your machien
[23:55] <kblin> those ports are too similar :)
[23:55] <Gskellig> rc.local didnt work for me, the commands still wont run on boot
[23:55] <Jasmin> an amd 64
[23:55] <commoncents> said no wireless conections and wlan had something
[23:55] <takoylis> if i could use my tv tuner pinnacle pctv hybrid pro , usb tuner on ubuntu 11.04 64bit i would be so happy
[23:55] <Jasmin> Felnotz : i know tht there's a command line to configure the network manually
[23:56] <pmo5> commoncents, device show up ? as output of iwconfig ?
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> kblin, makes more sense as Avahi uses it
[23:56] <Felnotz> Jasmin: Captain Krtek will help you
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> Jasmin, I can try to help you
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> Jasmin, what exactly is your issue?
[23:56] <pmo5> commoncents, did you find out the name of the device ? ethX .. wlanX .. or something ?
[23:57] <commoncents> wlan0
[23:57] <joakimk> Felnotz: It's just the same... :( Btw, my home dir is on a separate partition, and it seems most of my "system setup" have followed from Ubuntu 10 to 11.04. So do you think I still might be able to be able to work, if these graphics problems don't bother me too much?
[23:57] <Jasmin> Captainkrtek : hi, well the problem is tht i just installed ubuntu 10;04
[23:57] <Enissay> Hey guys, Is there any chance to make my old laptop play 720p videos?
[23:58] <aaron_c> hi, does anyone know how to download long voice memos from your iphone4 in ubuntu?
[23:58] <joakimk> Felnotz: I mean, is this mainly/only a graphics problem, or a symptom of some fundamental problem with Ubunut 11 vs my hardware?
 Now the prob is tht i can't detect the network
[23:58] <chrome_> hi. How can I add speech recognition in google chrome?
[23:58] <d484> Aaron does the iPhone have a Dropbox app?
[23:58] <Captainkrtek> Jasmin, can you do ifconfig and post the results to paste.ubuntu.com then share the link to me?
 meanwhile , i can see the network icon from the server
[23:58] <Captainkrtek> Jasmin, what do you mean from the server
[23:58] <pmo5> commoncents, iwlist wlan0 scan
[23:59] <d484> aaron_c, https://www.dropbox.com/iphoneapp .. you can store your files on Dropbox servers and pull them into the phone.
[23:59] <commoncents> no scan results
[23:59] <aaron_c> d484: can i pull voice memos from my phone with the same app?
[23:59] <xereniak> [Question]my ubuntu boots off the liveCD, gets to some desktop screen with a menu bar on top and stops doing anything else. i open the menu and open system settings. i find an item called "install ubuntu 11.04" and i double click on it. then i get an error message saying something about the computers inability to copy over root privelages to the user root. where is the REAL install screen supposed to show up in this process?
[23:59] <Felnotz> joakimk: I'm not sure, you're saying Ubuntu 10.10 worked well
[23:59] <Jasmin> <Captainkrteki have a  windows server connected to the modem
[23:59] <joakimk> Felnotz: yes. No problems


[04:43] <larsu> good morning!
[05:43] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:04] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:04] <seb128> hey didrocks :-)
[07:38] <willcooke> morning
[07:39] <didrocks> happy Monday willcooke!
[07:47] <FJKong> seb128: hey seb
[07:47] <FJKong> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1380981  which team maintain this ?
[07:48] <willcooke> Cr crashing on startup again :/
[07:48]  * willcooke runs in debug mode
[07:48] <willcooke> hey FJKong, didrocks
[07:48] <FJKong> willcooke: morning
[07:50] <didrocks> FJKong: foundation team is maintaining ubiquity, you should poke cyphermox I guess
[07:51] <FJKong> didrocks: ok thanks
[07:53] <willcooke> didrocks, I caught a sigsegv in Cr start up in gdb - what do I do now?  Just type "bt"?
[07:54] <darkxst> willcooke, "t a a bt" is usually the best
[07:55] <didrocks> willcooke: thread apply all
[07:55] <didrocks> and then bt full
[07:55] <didrocks> which is "t a a bt" equivalent (but easier to remember IMHO with the full semantic)
[07:56] <willcooke> thx didrocks
[07:57] <darkxst> didrocks, I find that theory to fall over, since sometimes you need 2-3 letters to disambiguate the commands ;(
[07:57] <darkxst> and I don't really wanna be typing the full things
[07:59] <seb128> FJKong, hey, what didrocks said
[07:59] <FJKong> seb128: yp I will ping him
[08:00] <willcooke> didrocks, how do I save this to a file to upload to LP?
[08:01] <didrocks> willcooke: before typing bt full:
[08:01] <didrocks> set logging on
[08:01] <didrocks> bt full
[08:01] <didrocks> set logging off
[08:01] <didrocks> -> this will save in gdb.txt in your current dir
[08:08] <willcooke> didrocks, can I do that "bt full" after I've done a "t a a bt" - will all the information still be correct?
[08:09] <didrocks> willcooke: sure, it will keep the same state
[08:10] <willcooke> didrocks, great, thanks very much
[08:11] <didrocks> yw!
[09:13] <seb128> bah
[09:14]  * seb128 gives the look to https://launchpadlibrarian.net/202763833/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.xdg-user-dirs_0.15-2ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:14] <seb128> it's building locally and in a pbuilder
[09:14] <seb128> no f clue what's wrong :-/
[09:15]  * didrocks is having "fun" as well with python_distutils & python3
[09:17] <Laney> seb128: fails for me in sbuild
[09:17] <Laney> indeed there is no po/aa.po
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, shrug
[09:18] <seb128> but it's in the launchpad_translation_export patch
[09:18] <seb128> and it's there when I apt-get source
[09:18]  * seb128 doesn't get it
[09:18] <Laney> haha
[09:18] <Laney> that patch is bugged
[09:19] <seb128> ?
[09:19] <seb128> wfm
[09:19] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10814554/
[09:19] <didrocks> yeah, no aa.po in the patch
[09:19] <seb128> ?
[09:20] <Laney> no po/
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: some are in the <root>/
[09:20] <seb128> $ patch -p1 < debian/patches/launchpad_translation_export.patch
[09:20] <seb128> patching file aa.po
[09:20] <Laney> not po/aa.po
[09:20] <didrocks> xdg-user-dirs-0.15/aa.po
[09:20] <seb128> grumpf
[09:20] <seb128> why does it build in a pbuilder?
[09:20] <seb128> or locally
[09:21] <Laney> nfi
[09:21] <Laney> but mv *.po po/ makes it build for me
[09:21] <seb128> thanks, let me fix that
[09:22] <seb128> apt-get source xdg-user-dirs
[09:22] <seb128> cd xdg-user-dirs-0.15
[09:22] <seb128> $ ls po
[09:22] <seb128> aa.po               en_CA.po           kk.po           quot.sed
[09:22] <seb128> go figure...
[09:22] <seb128> grrrr
[09:22] <seb128> k, that's the old version because I don't have a deb-src for proposed
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, didrocks, thanks
[09:23] <Laney> haha
[09:23] <didrocks> ahah, no worry! :)
[09:23] <Laney> bad release team for approving that
[09:24] <didrocks> those guys…
[09:24] <Laney> cowboys
[11:38] <willcooke> Working at home for years, yet only today do I consider slicing my sandwich diagonally
[11:39] <willcooke> It's the future.
[11:53] <willcooke> (abuse of position) qengho, I just logged this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1443395
[12:13] <davmor2> willcooke: what you need good sir is a sandwich toaster it cuts it like that automagically and turns the contents of the sandwich into molten Lava ;)
[12:13] <willcooke> davmor2, Ohhhhh!  I loves me a toasted sandwhich!  I don't think I'd be able to stop eating them
[12:14] <willcooke> *sandwich
[12:14] <willcooke> As I've always said, if you want your sandwich to be taken seriously it really needs to slightly resemble a shell
[12:17] <qengho> willcooke: eh? Weird.Are any processes eating CPU time then?
[12:18] <willcooke> qengho, strangely - gnome keyring (which I saw another report about)
[12:19] <qengho> qengho: ah ah ah. I know what that is.
[12:19] <willcooke> qengho, once I've got over that initial issue - it seems to be fine all day, then switch off and back on - and /sometimes/ the problem comes back
[12:22] <qengho> willcooke: Cr wants to cache all the keys to use in auth. Know the pop-up name, address, password form completion? It doesn't ask gnome-keyring for a match on every form key-press. It constructs a list at startup. The IO is too hard on gnome-keyring. I'll try to back it off.
[12:22] <willcooke> ah, nice one!
[12:22] <willcooke> thx qengho
[12:39] <seb128> willcooke, qengho, that's https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=98601 right?
[12:43] <willcooke> hrm, could be
[12:47] <qengho> Yes, that's the one, seb128.
[12:47] <seb128> k
[13:03] <desrt> willcooke: new launch today, btw :)
[13:03] <willcooke> desrt, ooooh!!  Feed?
[13:03]  * willcooke googles
[13:03] <desrt> it's at 16h30 EST if the weather holds out
[13:07] <flexiondotorg> Does, what will become Unity 8, require a compositor?
[13:07] <desrt> flexiondotorg: it has its own compositor built-in
[13:07] <desrt> there is no uncomposited mode under mir
[13:07] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:07] <flexiondotorg> desrt, OK. Understood.
[13:07] <desrt> hi seb :)
[13:08] <flexiondotorg> desrt, Does it has a software compositor fallback or require a GPU?
[13:08] <desrt> i'm sure it would be able to use llvmpipe
[13:09] <flexiondotorg> desrt, Thanks.
[13:09] <seb128> bug #1118903
[13:09] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks.
[13:09] <seb128> yw!
[13:20] <seb128> hey pitti, had a good trip? didn't wake up too early?
[13:21] <ogra_> melatonin FTW !
[13:21] <pitti> bonjour tout le monde !
[13:21] <pitti> hey seb128
[13:21] <didrocks> mterry is closing a Quickly blueprint for 13.04
[13:21] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[13:22] <pitti> seb128: well, I woke up several times on Sunday and stopped sleeping at 4:30, today at 5:15, so progress!
[13:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[13:22] <pitti> alors, beaucoup de temps pour du travail et courier
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, c'est tôt ! :-(
[13:22] <didrocks> en parlant de courir, c'est l'heure !
[13:23] <pitti> didrocks: :) enjoy!
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: thanks, hope the coffee will keep you awake :)
[13:24] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy
[13:24] <pitti> didrocks: je ne bois pas du café :)
[13:24] <pitti> didrocks: mais je me sense d'accord
[14:45] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have any clue about the issue with the updates panel loading?
[14:45] <seb128> or just doing random debug poking to try to get some idea about it?
[14:47] <kenvandine> seb128, i have a branch that seems to randomly fix it :)
[14:47] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1438633/view/head:/plugins/about/PageComponent.qml
[14:47] <seb128> kenvandine, doing what? having a sleep(1) in the loader? ;-)
[14:48] <kenvandine> seb128, i can't reproduce it with that
[14:48] <kenvandine> no...
[14:48] <kenvandine> just setting a variable from the getByName call
[14:48] <kenvandine> instead of doing it inline
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, I saw that diff, it's what made me ping you
[14:48] <kenvandine> i was just doing that to get some debug output
[14:48] <seb128> but I didn't see  a change, just console.warn calls
[14:48] <kenvandine> and now i can't reproduce it :/
[14:48] <seb128> right
[14:48] <seb128> maybe timing
[14:48] <kenvandine> i reverted it
[14:49] <kenvandine> and reproduced it again
[14:49] <seb128> like you slowed down things?
[14:49] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:49] <kenvandine> must be racy
[14:54] <willcooke> Guess what this is:  http://i.imgur.com/ffoKyoT.png
[14:54] <willcooke> popey, ^^
[14:54] <willcooke> anyone ^^^
[14:55] <Laney> places where your stolen garden gnome has been photographed
[14:55] <willcooke> The garden gnomes bit is correct
[14:55] <popey> :)
[14:55] <willcooke> I hacked up a script which took the city date from the directory and geo coded it and stuck it on a map
[14:56] <willcooke> Poor show Kazakh Ubuntu fans - apply for more jobs at Canonical
[14:58] <qengho> We need more Africans.
[15:03] <willcooke> yes
[15:03] <desrt> nearly all of our africans are europeans
[15:03] <Laney> the #1 guy is african, it's all good
[15:04] <desrt> (Canaries and Réunion)
[15:05] <didrocks> nobody react to have been treated of gnome? :p
[15:06]  * desrt has no objection to being called a gnome :)
[15:06] <willcooke> :D
[15:25] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[15:25] <cyphermox> hey!
[15:25] <cyphermox> seb128: how are you?
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, did you see my mention that the nm-applet segfault seems not fixed?
[15:26] <cyphermox> I did
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm good, thanks! How are you?
[15:26] <cyphermox> not too bad
[15:26] <cyphermox> i thought I had answered it was going to take more work, it should have been fine
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, should upstream it, maybe they have a clue about the issue and fix it (then we can backport the patch)
[15:26] <cyphermox> yeah, should be upstreamed
[15:26] <seb128> cyphermox, can you do it? ;-)
[15:26] <cyphermox> ...
[15:27] <seb128> lol
[15:27] <cyphermox> I guess I can spend the extra 2 minutes to do it, yes ;)
[15:27] <cyphermox> where is that bug again?
[15:27] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks, it's more that you know upstream/n-m better so you might be more suited to deal with followups than me
[15:27] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1418260
[15:27] <cyphermox> ta
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1181128 is a fedora equivalent if you want to show upstream that it's not Ubuntu specific
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, yw!
[15:30] <seb128> happyaron, what's the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1439202 ?
[15:32] <seb128> ted, hey, do you have any idea what https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/45a450ff9d534458de5666d47abe150801af4041 is about?
[15:32] <seb128> indicator-session-unknown-user-error in upstart, seems like a weird report
[15:32] <seb128> is that a recoverable error or something?
[15:33] <ted> seb128, Give me a minute, OTP.
[15:33] <seb128> ted, sure, no hurry
[15:33] <Laney> desrt: dconf-editor's COPYING says LGPL 2.1 but about says GPL 2+ --- who wins? :)
[15:33] <Laney> hi, btw!
[15:34] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1425447 (not sure if you saw the bug assignment/comments)
[15:35] <ted> seb128, Yeah, seems to be a recoverable error, I think that charles_ made it.
[15:35] <ted> seb128, Seems like were getting a uid of zero in there...
[15:35] <ted> charles_, An instance: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/a0a947c0-e1d6-11e4-9f12-fa163e75317b
[15:35] <seb128> indeed
[15:36]  * charles_ looks
[15:36] <seb128> charles_, ted, bug #1443502 (not sure why e.u.c thinks it's an "upstart" bug?)
[15:37] <ted> seb128, It's probably because it happens when i-session is shutting down, so by the time apport gets to getting the PID information it is no longer existing, so it reports on the parent.
[15:37] <seb128> k
[15:38] <seb128> charles, ted, oh, another one for you (and then I stop the nagging for today ;-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1432446 ... seems like the handling of missing session bus is incomplete
[15:39] <desrt> Laney: uhm... about, i guess
[15:39] <desrt> Laney: COPYING is probably because dconf itself was lgpl and i forgot to change that
[15:39] <Laney> ya, figured
[15:40] <Laney> merci
[15:40]  * Laney loves writing debian/copyright
[15:40] <ted> seb128, I think that charles already has that on his TODO
[15:41] <seb128> k
[15:41] <seb128> larsu, Laney, was the "gedit underline errors" issues supposed to be fixed? it does underline those in light grey here, it's almost not visible
[15:42] <Laney> yes, works here
[15:42] <seb128> I wonder if I need a session restart?
[15:42] <seb128> brb
[15:42] <Laney> do you have the latest light-themes?
[15:44] <charles> seb128, ted, ack, I even got a card for it added to this sprint
[15:44] <seb128> charles, great, thanks
[15:44] <charles> (as of about 30 minutes ago)
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, larsu, sorry, seems like I didn't get the ubuntu-themes update when I updated earlier for some reason
[15:47] <Laney> at least it's an easy fix :P
[15:48] <seb128> ;-)
[15:50] <Laney> unpacking ubuntu-docs always kills my SSD
[15:58] <happyaron> seb128: is looking at it now
[15:58] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[15:59] <happyaron> seb128: possibly it will be tomorrow to give a treatment..
[16:00] <seb128> happyaron, sure, that's not an issue
[16:48] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys
[17:07] <larsu> seb128: sorry was out for early dinner and looking at an appartment. Seems the issue solved itself though?
[17:11] <seb128> larsu, it is yes, thanks
[17:11] <larsu> :)
[20:31] <desrt> damnit
[20:31] <desrt> another scrub :(
[20:32] <desrt> evil weather
[21:10] <TheMuso> seb128: I have asked upstream about whether those crashers already are patched post 6.0. If I'm told they are not, I will be filing them upstream and tagging he launchpad bugs appropriately.
[21:14] <TheMuso> ugy, I wish my client would not tab complete if the person wasn't online. :S


[01:54] <didrocks> james_w: I've used upstream branch bzr workflow in 3 different packages. It worked like a charm. You rock!
[01:54] <james_w> nice
[01:54] <james_w> thanks for testing
[01:58] <didrocks> thanks for coding :)
[02:56] <kenvandine> pitti, lp:~canonical-dx-team/ido/ubuntu
[02:59] <kklimonda> heh, libido.h
[03:00] <pitti> goes fine with libsexy and libsexy
[03:00] <pitti> liboobs, I mean
[03:00] <kklimonda> indeed :)
[03:04] <didrocks> james_w: I have a new issue for you: when the upstream branch as some files that the orig.tar.gz doesn't have, it doesn't merge into the packaging branch and we can then encounter some errors
[03:20] <jcastro> didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[05:22] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, can I get you to sponsor an upload please?
[05:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[05:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, what do you need to get uploaded?
[05:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, launchpad-integration.  I *finally* got it to work with the "GAC"
[05:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, I can do that
[05:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, yay!  Why are you still up?
[05:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, because I'm sprinting in the u.s?
[05:31] <robert_ancell> it's 9pm there right?
[05:31] <seb128> yes
[05:31] <robert_ancell> don't stretch a muscle :)
[05:31] <seb128> short story, we got pizza and are doing a hacking evening
[05:31] <robert_ancell> anything fun?
[05:31] <seb128> officially it's a gtg hackfest
[05:31] <robert_ancell> right
[05:32] <seb128> I've been joining because the indicators weekly updates turned to be a mess
[05:32] <seb128> and we sort of broke lucid
[05:32] <robert_ancell> :/
[05:32] <seb128> so we're fixing ;-)
[05:32] <seb128> how is it going for you?
[05:33] <robert_ancell> good.  I was very confused reading the Debian policy on CLI libraries... Nothing would work until I removed the includes from the debian/control (as I believe is the correct way to do things with Debhelper 7)
[05:34] <robert_ancell> aside from that, trying to do some last minute patches before friday evening :)
[05:34] <bryce2> seb128, well I'm doing gtg hacking :-)
[05:34] <seb128> ;-)
[05:34] <bryce2> seb128, but yeah I thought we'd be chatting about gtg more.  oh well
[05:34] <robert_ancell> why, I notice gtg doesn't have any launchpad integration...
[05:35] <bryce2> robert_ancell, yeah I started working on it in a branch
[05:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, shame you are not there
[05:35] <seb128> you could have join to do that
[05:35] <bryce2> robert_ancell, however they're planning to rearchitect the backends system, so I want to wait on that first
[05:35] <robert_ancell> bryce, I was just going to offer to do that :)
[05:35] <bryce2> ah
[05:35] <robert_ancell> bryce, rearchitect what?
[05:36] <bryce2> robert_ancell, they want to have an ability to have multiple data stores (which they call 'backends')
[05:36] <robert_ancell> bryce, that should be orthogonal to the launchpad integration - I'm meaning the help->report a problem menu. I'm guessing you mean a lot deeper integration
[05:37] <bryce2> so for instance you could have one couchdb instance for work tasks, and another for personal tasks
[05:37] <robert_ancell> I have a GTG task on "reporting bugs" I need to close
[05:37] <bryce2> ohhh
[05:38] <bryce2> yeah, I'm thinking more along the lines of being able to sync with bugs you're assigned
[05:38] <robert_ancell> that would be very handy
[05:38] <robert_ancell> gtg overlaps with tomboy quite a bit doesn't it..
[05:39] <bryce2> there's a tomboy plugin for gtg in fact (haven't tried it tho)
[05:39] <seb128> robert_ancell, debian/liblaunchpad-integration1-cil.installcligac?
[05:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, do you know if anyone has tried to push launchpad integration patches upstream?
[05:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes
[05:40] <seb128> what is that?
[05:40] <seb128> .installcligac?
[05:40] <bryce2> robert_ancell, I've not seen a branch for adding that
[05:40] <robert_ancell> you need it so the the libraries are automatically added into the "GAC"
[05:41] <robert_ancell> "global assembly cache"
[05:41] <bryce2> robert_ancell, they seem to be pretty open to considering branches and they use bzr merge proposals
[05:42] <bryce2> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gtg/
[05:42] <robert_ancell> bryce, yeah, the thing is liblaunchpadintegration is very ubuntu focussed (which is why it- but it would be useful if gtg could use it for the bug links and it could detect you are on ubuntu and
[05:42] <robert_ancell> is why it's never gone upstream before)
[05:42] <robert_ancell> hmm, that got cut up
[05:42] <bryce2> robert_ancell, well they use launchpad for tracking their own bugs, so I think they'd be interested in it
[05:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, lpi uploaded
[05:43] <robert_ancell> bryce, yeah, the thing is liblaunchpadintegration is very ubuntu focussed (which is why why it's never gone upstream before) if gtg could use it for the bug links but disable the other functionality unless you are on ubuntu it would be helpful to the,
[05:43] <robert_ancell> m
[05:43] <robert_ancell> seb128, thanks
[05:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, lpi upstream not really, lool tried to start a discussion about that I think
[05:44] <seb128> having apis to let distributors add custom translations etc entries
[05:44] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/wUspnAdBSm
[05:44] <jcastro> didrocks: ^^
[05:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, in fact, a libproject would be handy and we could have a system setting for overridding it for us
[05:45] <robert_ancell> so libproject would add a report bug link which would go to the project homepage by default, or their bugzilla, or the distro if we choose to add it
[05:45] <robert_ancell> it would save a lot of overhead for us in packaging
[05:45] <robert_ancell> hmmmm
[05:48] <bryce2> robert_ancell, inkscape would probably be amenable to it too
[05:49] <bryce2> (if it's not in inkscape already, I do know we have hooks for reporting bugs to launchpad)
[05:49] <robert_ancell> bryce, oh, I didn't know they used LP
[06:21] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Do you still need that upload sponsored?
[06:22] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, seb128 did it, thanks!
[06:22] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: np
[06:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, Some of the new applications I have been adding "report a problem" menu items for report "This is not a genuine Ubuntu packge" - is there a whitelist of packages this should work for?
[14:13] <Nafai> Good morning everyone
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> hey Nafai
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> oops
[14:19] <Nafai> How are you this morning (I suppose afternoon where you are?) chrisccoulson?
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> Nafai - yeah, it's afternoon here
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too bad thanks. i'm glad the working week is over though
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[14:22] <Nafai> doing pretty good
[14:22] <Nafai> hoping to wrap up at least one of the programs I'm working on today
[14:23] <Nafai> all in all it's been a great first week though
[15:44] <vish> argh! session not active bug back again :/
[15:44] <vish> chrisccoulson: its back ;)   > Bug #517632
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> vish, did it ever go away?
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[15:44] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[15:45] <seb128> how are you?
[15:45] <vish> chrisccoulson: yeah , it went away for me since the gpm update in karmic , its blanked again today the first time since karmic
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm ok thanks. i'm glad the working week is finished though
[15:45] <vish> it*
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> vish - i'm not sure what is going on yet then. i've not experienced that issue
[15:47] <vish> ;)
[16:03] <Nafai> wee, that was fun
[16:03] <Nafai> for some reason my laptop just shut down
[16:04] <Nafai> and then when I restarted I had the plymouth bug so I had to boot into recovery mode and remove it
[16:58] <TheMuso> c
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> bah, no milanbv around today
[17:06] <seb128> re
[17:06] <seb128> sorry got disconnected before
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[17:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson: did you manage to get your laptop working?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm running without plymouth now, so that solves the random freeze
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> but i still can't blank the display without it freezing
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> but that's a kernel bug
[17:07] <seb128> ok
[17:07] <seb128> how did you turn plymouth off?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> i just have to be careful not to shut the lid
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i just completely uninstalled plymouth for now ;)
[19:03] <baptistemm> hello
[19:04] <ronoc> TheMuso, just got my hands on a usb headset so will test for the next half hour and then come find you if suits
[19:04] <ronoc> Conor here btw
[19:04] <TheMuso> ronoc: Sure thing.
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> this gnome-system-tools update is giving me a real headache
[19:47] <pitti> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html#jr
[19:48] <pitti> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team.html
[20:02] <baptistemm> if someone is interested to sponsor my updates: bluez, libvte and gnome-terminal
[20:03] <seb128_> did you subscribe the sponsor team?
[20:04] <seb128_> there is a distro sprint this week and people are probably busy using the sprint time for things which benefit from being there
[20:04] <seb128_> sponsoring can wait next week
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> i would sponsor gnome-terminal, but i can only do that if somebody does vte first ;)
[20:07] <baptistemm> seb128_, okay
[20:10] <pitti> kenvandine: lp:ubuntu/ido works now; can you remove your original branch, to avoid confusion?
[20:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'll look at the g-p-m update, ok with you?
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no worries. i was going to do that at some point, but feel free if you have time
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> i'm currently battling with gnome-system-tools
[21:00] <pitti> doing then, thanks
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> which i'm failing miserably with :(
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm trying to update gnome-system-tools / liboobs / system-tools-backends
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> s-t-b needs libauthen-pam-perl though, which is in universe :(
[21:19] <pitti> sounds harmless enough
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, that's good then. i'll work on a MIR for that
[21:29] <itorrey> djsiegel1: I'm working on the renkoo port and have a version using some of the new webkit css stuff and I was wondering if that's ok or if I should stick to image based version like I had before?
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks for doing gpm :)
[22:16] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, do you still have the overshoot notify-osd g-s-d bug on your todolist?
[22:16] <seb128_> ie it doesn't trigger the effect when being over a limit
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - yeah, that's next on my todo list
[22:16] <seb128_> ok thanks
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping to have it done today, buy g-s-t took up my entire afternoon
[23:08] <rickspencer3> being in #ubuntu-desktop during a sprint is pretty pointless I guess :/
[23:09] <Nafai> It has been pretty quiet this week :/
[23:09] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, in the train already?
[23:10] <rickspencer3> hiya Nafai I hear you got some nice ayatana patches done
[23:10] <rickspencer3> pitti, yeah, rolling along
[23:15] <Nafai> rickspencer3, Yeah, working on it
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> hey rickspencer3, did you have a good week?
[23:16] <didrocks> pitti: wifi in the sauna is great, isn't? :)
[23:20] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, yeah I think so
[23:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, do you actually believe I am on a train?
[23:21] <didrocks> rickspencer3: heh, just out of the door, right? ;)
[23:21] <rickspencer3> pitti, didrocks, seb128_, etc... maybe a blog posting on all the cool things we got done this week?
[23:21] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[23:21] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, too
[23:21] <rickspencer3> 1. SFTS end to end
[23:21] <didrocks> should be cool :)
[23:22] <rickspencer3> 2. new gwibber microbloging control
[23:22] <rickspencer3> 3. how much time did we shave from boot speed
[23:22] <Nafai> What's SFTS?
[23:22] <rickspencer3> Social From the Start
[23:22] <rickspencer3> Nafai it's one of our key blueprints for Lucid
[23:23] <rickspencer3> Gwibber integrated into the desktop
[23:23] <rickspencer3> what else?
[23:23]  * rickspencer3 rubs chin thoughtfully
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems like you've had an exciting week :)
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: I don't know
[23:25] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, kinda
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: you'll just have to test
[23:25] <djsiegel1> itorrey: if it works, go for it! :)
[23:25] <rickspencer3> but mostly at night in the hotel bar I suppose
[23:28] <rickspencer3> pitti how much time did you and seb128_ shave from startup time?
[23:28]  * pitti looks
[23:28] <pitti> rickspencer3: this week, or since karmic?
[23:28] <rickspencer3> 4. new compiz effects
[23:28] <rickspencer3> pitti this week
[23:28] <seb128_> rickspencer3, not easy to say, we should do an end of week chart
[23:28] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100129-1.png
[23:29] <pitti> vs.
[23:29] <rickspencer3> seb128_, about? .5 seconds maybe?
[23:29] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100205-1.png
[23:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i'll blog today about SFTS
[23:29] <kenvandine> with the video :)
[23:29] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, don't worry, I won't steal your thunder ;)
[23:29] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, not worried... just hate putting stuff off :)
[23:29] <rickspencer3> I'll just add "good progress on SFTS" to the list :)
[23:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, anything else goo?
[23:30] <rickspencer3> good, even?
[23:30] <kenvandine> i think that is it
[23:30] <rickspencer3> Like, tons of new indicator stuff got uploaded, right?
[23:30] <kenvandine> yeah
[23:30] <kenvandine> but not much you can see
[23:30] <kenvandine> indicator-me
[23:30] <kenvandine> which is sfts
[23:30] <kenvandine> next week we will get indicator-sound
[23:30] <kenvandine> which uses the new slider widget
[23:31] <rickspencer3> pitti you and seb128_ shaved 4+ seconds this week?
[23:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: no, the charts are quite misleading
[23:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: plymouth worked aroudn the kernel bug, but now the desktop startup is slowed down by the I/O overhead of that kernel bug, and so on
[23:31] <seb128_> rickspencer3, no, the new one doesn't have this 5 seconds usb linux delay
[23:32] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh... the new libindicate package includes timestamps which should really make windows get focus
[23:32] <rickspencer3> so, like .5 seconds or so?
[23:32] <kenvandine> i think that is awesome :)
[23:32] <kenvandine> finally
[23:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: we got .6 s from modem-manager, and some .3 s from the indicators
[23:32] <rickspencer3> .6 + .3 = .9
[23:32] <rickspencer3> except in integer math, I suppose
[23:32] <pitti> indicators was ted's change, though
[23:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: seb128 worked hard on nm-applet, this should land today
[23:33] <rickspencer3> chouette!
[23:33] <didrocks> rickspencer3: quickly-widgets and buhugger in universe too, don't forget that :)
[23:33] <seb128_> let's see around 1 second
[23:33] <seb128_> see -> say
[23:33] <rickspencer3> pitti bryceh so xorg seg fault handler working?
[23:33] <rickspencer3> that's a good one
[23:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: yep
[23:34] <rickspencer3> bryceh, we're going with nouveu for lucid, right?
[23:34] <rickspencer3> pitti no mdz freeze handler though?
[23:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: if you count from desktop start to the end of mutter, it's a little less than a second indeed
[23:34] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, we didn't get to that; we don't know how to reproduce
[23:34] <pitti> bryceh: ^
[23:35] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[23:35] <rickspencer3> pitti sorry, but I don't have the new link for the burn down chart handy, can you paste it to me?
[23:36] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html
[23:36] <pitti> rickspencer3: that one?
[23:36] <rickspencer3> yes
[23:36] <rickspencer3> I still had the macaroni one in my history :/
[23:36] <rickspencer3> just barely over the trend line :/
[23:38] <rickspencer3> ccheney, what's the status of the libsoup glib back port?
[23:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: we actually moved closer to the trend line this week, good progress
[23:39] <rickspencer3> pitti yup
[23:40] <rickspencer3> seb128_, I see there are two more work items for compiz settings, writing the restore scripts, I assume you haven't gotten to those yet?
[23:40] <seb128_> rickspencer3, not really but we have a sort of disagreement there
[23:41] <seb128_> rickspencer3, it's easy to do but some of us think that changing user config on upgrade is against the golden rule
[23:41] <rickspencer3> seb128_, I thought we had decided this at the design sprint before UDS
[23:42] <seb128_> ok, will do then
[23:42] <seb128_> pitti seemed to disagree this week
[23:42] <seb128_> so I put it on hold
[23:42] <rickspencer3> that we would create the backup because we couldn't respect tweaked settings
[23:42] <seb128_> and I forgot to raise it for discussion again
[23:42] <seb128_> right
[23:42] <rickspencer3> seb128_, sure, no problem
[23:42] <rickspencer3> pitti you strongly disagree with this approach?
[23:43] <rickspencer3> perhaps a release note for a3 will be in order
[23:43] <rickspencer3> (Lucid will replace your compiz settings)
[23:44] <seb128_> rickspencer3, he's in discussion with xorg guys right now
[23:45] <rickspencer3> seb128_, sure, no rush
[23:45] <rickspencer3> can wait until next week
[23:45] <seb128_> in any case to reply to your question, no that didn't get done
[23:45] <seb128_> in any case to reply to your question, no that didn't get done this week
[23:45] <seb128_> ups
[23:45] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:45] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128_
[23:46] <seb128_> we managed to destroy a mini too
[23:46] <seb128_> if you want to mention that ;-)
[23:46] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128_, what did you do to it?
[23:46] <rickspencer3> seb128_, wasn't it more that you drove it to suicide?
[23:46] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, I tried to turn it on
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - i thought you were going to say you spilt beer on it in the bar or something ;)
[23:47] <seb128_> rickspencer3, yeah, that what french do
[23:47] <seb128_> rickspencer3, he though it was not payed enough to boot in 10 seconds and went on strike
[23:47] <seb128_> ;-)
[23:47] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:47] <seb128_> chrisccoulson, no, would I've been a better reason though!
[23:47] <seb128_> it frozen during a dist-upgrade
[23:48] <seb128_> and now it beeps at the bios post when turned on...
[23:48] <seb128_> the error code is a timer reset according to google
[23:48] <seb128_> but it doesn't turn on screen or boot
[23:48] <seb128_> I'm going to send it back next week I guess
[23:48] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't sound very good then ;)
[23:48] <seb128_> I will call dell support first
[23:48] <seb128_> indeed
[23:49] <seb128_> luckily I had my laptop too with me
[23:50] <itorrey_test> djsiegel1: Ok, I reverted to images since it's more well tested. I am doing some testing now and I'll upload my code soon
[23:50] <itorrey_test> Ripped out the old fader code and am using webkit's transitions so it's much smoother and should be faster
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128_ - i'll work on this g-s-d notification overshoot stuff over the weekend now. i can't do much more tonight, as we've got family sleeping over in our spare room with my desktop, which has still got all my work on
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to copy everything on to the laptop tomorrow


[06:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:55] <constrictor> morning
[06:55] <jussi> huomenta :)
[06:56] <jussi> MooDoo: how was the weekend?  (and you are a little late, no? )
[06:56] <MooDoo> jussi: it was fine and yes, I am, normally on a lot earlier lol
[06:56] <MooDoo> what about yourself?
[06:57] <jussi> not bad, generally relaxing, football team won (Liverpool) what else can I say? :P
[06:58] <MooDoo> sounds a good weekend.
[07:01] <mapps> morning
[07:02] <shauno> o/
[07:02] <mapps> liverpool? pff
[07:02] <mapps> i thought you're not even from the uk:)
[07:03] <MooDoo> mapps: someone has to support them
[07:03] <mapps> :D
[07:16] <jussi> mapps: Im not! but why do you htink I hang out in this channel... ?
[07:17] <mapps> because you wish you were;]
[07:17] <mapps> or the ubuntu-fi chan is empty?:P
[07:41] <jussi> mapps: meh, writing finnish is hard. Im actually a misplaced Aussie :P
[07:41] <jussi> actually, I hang out here because popey is awesome :P (nah, maybe just because I like you lot)
[07:51] <MooDoo> jussi: ok you're crazy
[07:51] <MooDoo> ;)
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: he's what you get when you mix Finnish and Dutch, I guess?
[07:51] <jussi> MooDoo: because I like people here?
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> wait, Finnish Dutch AND Aussie
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> ?
[07:52] <MooDoo> jussi: yea of course, we're all nuts ;)
[08:00] <Knightwi1e> morning everyone
[08:03] <jussi> hrm, what is "unary"? (reading about operator precedence in C)
[08:06] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_operation
[08:06] <MooDoo> :p
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> jussi: operators with only one operand (things like "not $foo" -> not only acts on one thing)
[08:14] <jussi> MartijnVdS: ahh, excellent, thanks
[08:41] <popey> Morning
[08:41] <MooDoo> morning alan
[08:41] <mapps> morning popey
[08:42] <mapps> 16 episodes in unde 3 days:D
[08:42] <mapps> il be able to finish arrow s1 by thee end of the day hoorah
[08:42] <MooDoo> huzzah!
[08:44] <dwatkins> I quite like Arrow
[08:44] <mapps> where you upto on it
[08:44] <MooDoo> I love it
[08:45] <dwatkins> I'm very naughty, so am completely up-to-date on Arrow.
[08:46] <MooDoo> dwatkins: me too shhhh
[08:46] <mapps> il be upto date soon:D
[08:47] <dwatkins> It's a good month for telly, what with Cosmos, Continuum and Once Upon a Time coming back.
[08:47] <mapps> hmm never seen cosmos or continum
[08:47] <diplo> Morning all
[08:48] <MooDoo> continuum is awesome
[08:48] <mapps> morning diplo
[08:48] <dwatkins> yep http://nancygriffis.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/continuum01.jpg
[08:48] <MooDoo> hello diplo
[08:48] <diplo> Hasn't continuum been cancelled?
[08:49] <mapps> hm
[08:49] <dwatkins> not sure, diplo - the wikipedia page just says about renewal for season 3
[08:49] <MooDoo> nope, returned last night in the US didn't it?
[08:50] <dwatkins> yep
[08:54] <diplo> oh, I'll have to look that up
[09:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:17] <mapps> 16 down 17 coming up
[09:17] <mapps> :D
[09:17] <mapps> gonna finish s1 today then stop
[09:35] <shauno> wish the producers had done that :/
[09:38] <mapps> s2 sucks?
[09:39] <shauno> s2 couldn't hold my attention. ymmv, of course
[09:39] <jussi> I have the S3, its decent.... wait a sec, what are we talking about? :P
[09:40] <mapps> s3 lol s2 hasnt finished
[09:40] <mapps> :P
[09:40] <mapps> silly jussi
[09:41] <mapps> tv series..arrow;p
[09:41] <mapps> not phones :)
[09:41] <jussi> mapps: :D
[09:42] <jussi> how do I figure out which FS is being used and $usb_HDD
[09:42] <jussi> ?
[09:44] <mapps> what do you mean ? fdisk will show u the fs?
[09:45] <jussi> mapps: be more precise...
[09:45] <mapps> fdisk /dev/sdxX and then fdisk will show you the fs
[09:46] <mapps> if you dont know th device could check dmesg
[09:46] <mapps> but what did you mean by $usb_HDD whys it a variabl
[09:46] <foobarry> type mount
[09:46] <mapps> yea that too
[09:47] <mapps> i like fdisk ;[ mount output is messy
[09:47] <jussi> hrm
[09:47] <jussi> now this is strange...
[09:48] <mapps> >?
[09:48] <shauno> I'm a sucker for abusing 'file' in such situations.  file -s /dev/sd* gives a surprisingly useful amount of info about most fs
[09:48] <jussi> from fdisk...
[09:48] <jussi> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:48] <jussi> /dev/sdb1              63   488392064   244196001    b  W95 FAT32
[09:48] <jussi> from mount
[09:48] <jussi> /dev/sdb1 on /media/jussi/LaCie type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2)
[09:48] <jussi> wot?
[09:49] <diplo> Something in fstab trying to mount as ext3 maybe ?
[09:49] <mapps> fat32
[09:50] <shauno> it could quite easily be ext3.  buy a disk that comes formatted as fat32, mkfs it because it's not 1998 anymore, et voila.
[09:50] <jussi> shauno: that is precisely what I remember to have done, but wanted to confirm. (was sometime back). now IM confuzzled
[09:50] <mapps> id have thought itd be ntfs if a big sized usb hdd
[09:51] <shauno> mkfs won't change the partition structure
[09:51] <mapps> yea
[09:51] <mapps> i know
[09:51] <mapps> :)
[09:52]  * jussi gets over it and guesses ext3, then goes back to failing to learn to code in C.
[09:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:09] <bashrc_> monday morning...
[10:09] <MooDoo> bashrc_: correct 1 point ;)
[10:28] <bigcalm> Is now a good time to do this?
[10:28] <bigcalm> !rat
[10:28] <popey> \o/
[10:28] <popey> ticket booked
[10:28] <bigcalm> Woot
[10:30] <bigcalm> popey: did you get an error after paying with paypal?
[10:30] <popey> no, i got a "press button to complete purchase" with no button
[10:30] <popey> but got the confirmation mail anyway
[10:30] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:31] <bigcalm> Dave2 and I both got PHP errors :)
[10:31] <popey> sweet
[10:31] <bigcalm> But we also got confirmation emails
[10:31] <jussi> it got cold again here :/
[10:31] <jussi> we had like +10 degrees just the other day, now its -15 again :/
[10:32] <bigcalm> Crazy Finnish weather
[10:32] <brobostigon> yes, it was 17c here yesterday.
[10:32] <jussi> Ive a random question for all those here who drive... what "electronic" peice would you most like to see in your car?
[10:32] <brobostigon> peice ?
[10:33] <Myrtti> coffeemaker.
[10:33] <diplo> Sound/Video system, so I can hook up kids screens and music for front end, it's on my todo list this year hopefully
[10:33] <shauno> autopilot
[10:34] <popey> I dont spend long enought in my car to care
[10:34] <jussi> Myrtti: :D
[10:34] <popey> my car can go for a week or two without being used
[10:34] <bigcalm> I had an DAB radio added to my car, so I have everything that I need
[10:34] <bigcalm> popey: the good/bad of working from home
[10:35] <jussi> ok, so now, think about it this way. forget the entertainment system. what else would be nice?
[10:35] <shauno> I'm not sure I want 'driverless' to be mandatory, but haven fallen asleep with cruise control on before, I can see the use as an option
[10:35] <brobostigon> i would probably setup my nexus7 on the dash, like a kind of hud.
[10:36] <popey> i nearly fell asleep in the car, pulled over into services, stopped the car in the car park, seat back arms back, sleep...
[10:36] <popey> woke 30 mins later and thought my arms had been severed, they'd gone to sleep behind my head
[10:36] <bigcalm> I'd like cruse control to be removed from cars. My car has that and a speed limiter setting. Set the speed I want, get my foot into a comfortable position and that's all I need
[10:36] <brobostigon> lol
[10:36] <jussi> popey: hahah, Ive done that also
[10:36] <dwatkins> I've spent in morotway services before, a powernap at 6am prior to heading to work on the way back from Edinburgh to Reading.
[10:37] <bigcalm> I've also nearly fallen asleep while driving back from Farnham. Very glad I found a sort of layby in the woods to have a nap
[10:37] <popey> i saw "layby" as "lady"
[10:37] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:38] <shauno> this was in the states.  cruise control, no corners, 20hr round trip to go to a funeral the next state over ... so many bad choices
[10:38] <bigcalm> It was the gate area for a BT or electric building thing. That and it being a Sunday, I could have stayed there all day
[10:38] <popey> I was playing quite a bit of OpenSpades at the weekend
[10:38] <popey> That game is _awesome_
[10:38] <popey> you would like it bigcalm
[10:38] <bigcalm> popey: any screen shots?
[10:39] <popey> sure
[10:39] <popey> lemme fire it up and get better ones than the ones I previously took
[10:39] <jussi> aww, no alanbell this morning?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Okay :)
[10:43] <mapps> hmm
[10:43] <mapps> i was trying linux mint in virtual box and its freezing after i select boot
[10:44] <bigcalm> It wants you to stay with Ubuntu
[10:47] <popey> bigcalm: http://imgur.com/YL1xeAU,wDwuQ2T,KoX79pb,AeCiBXM,B0yKgFU,B0V53JW,RUF94kc,rVEfpEO,JGqeKea,f74StGy,zE81avw,pE1YMsB
[10:47] <popey> you can build and destroy, but buildings have physics, so if you take out the bottom of a building, it falls over
[10:47] <popey> see pic 2 for a building in mid collapse
[10:48] <popey> and #9 for a tree in mid collapse ☻
[10:48] <mapps> i just wanted to try it not switching to lm:)
[10:48] <jussi> popey: damn you and your fun games! :P
[10:49] <bigcalm> popey: most interesting :)
[10:49] <popey> I'd not heard of it before friday
[10:49] <popey> apparently it's an open source implementation of Ace Of Spades
[10:49] <bigcalm> Lemmy is a coder now?
[10:50] <popey> ☻
[10:51] <bigcalm> Humm. As Hayley isn't with me for the RAT. Do I still book the Monday off and drive back then, or just come home on the Sunday?
[10:52] <foobarry> native or wine atm?
[10:53] <foobarry> trying to boot a sun server running linux..
[10:53] <foobarry> root (hd1,0)                                                                     Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
[10:53] <foobarry> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-308.8.2.el5 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
[10:53] <foobarry> crashkernel=128M@16M
[10:53] <foobarry> ��
[10:53] <foobarry> last thing i see on the console. any ideas
[10:56] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:57] <dwatkins> does it actually have a volume group to boot from, foobarry? Sounds like it's a display problem - parhaps the OS actually does boot - can you ssh into it, ping it etc.?
[10:57] <dwatkins> in my experience, linux on Sun or SGI hardware tends to have issues with displaying much more than the console.
[10:59] <foobarry> dwatkins: can't ping :(
[10:59] <foobarry> but the redirection might not be working properly
[10:59] <foobarry> and i'm not physically at screen
[11:00] <dwatkins> you might need to add a boot option to have it output to the console somewhere
[11:01] <jussi> wow, that was fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3vTjhu35hk
[11:06] <MooDoo> | count(*) |
[11:06] <MooDoo> +----------+
[11:07] <MooDoo> I hate right click in irssi
[11:07] <jussi> hehe
[11:07] <dwatkins> mine asks if I want to paste.
[11:07] <foobarry> i'm scared to try
[11:08] <foobarry> me too
[11:08] <foobarry> middle click pastes
[11:08] <foobarry> pipe 5
[11:08] <foobarry> phew
[11:08] <mapps> sweet
[11:08] <bigcalm> jussi: wow
[11:08] <dwatkins> paste_verify_line_count = 5
[11:08] <dwatkins> Ask you whether you meant to paste something if it's longer than this many lines.
[11:08] <mapps> my firefox os phgone arrived
[11:09] <dwatkins> paste_detect_time = 5msecs
[11:09] <dwatkins> Irssi will detect pastes when your input has less than this much time between lines.
[11:09] <dwatkins> those should help. http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings
[11:09] <jussi> bigcalm: pretty amazing, right?
[11:09] <bigcalm> jussi: cheeky
[11:10] <jussi> bigcalm: bet you didnt see the volvo coming back like that... :D
[11:11] <foobarry> i knew he would
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: this double screensaver thing is starting to become annoying :)
[11:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: indeed
[11:12] <foobarry> coming home on m25 last night. silver merc in outside lane driving at <65 , occasionally tapping brakes with clear road in front
[11:12] <foobarry> broke the whole motorway system
[11:12] <bigcalm> jussi: I thought he had the edge before the commentators saw it. But, no, not expected
[11:13] <foobarry> middle lane was undertaking because you couldn't do much else , and outside lane bunched up, and waiting to undertake
[11:14] <bigcalm> I love it when the hard shoulder on the M6 is opened up due to congestion. It means I get to under take everybody because so few will actually use the extra lane
[11:14] <foobarry> higher risk of punctures on hard shoulder
[11:15] <bigcalm> True
[11:15] <bigcalm> I think they keep it pretty clear though
[11:16] <foobarry> changed my headlmap bulb at weekend. although it took 15 mins, the effort involved iis ridiculous
[11:16] <foobarry> i'd rather change a keyboard in a laptop
[11:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:17] <bigcalm> I have to take a number 10 spanner to my wife's headlamps to get inside the light cluster.  Odd now that you mention it
[11:28] <MooDoo> shauno: oooo
[11:29] <foobarry> irish get a bank hol to go drinking?
[11:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: they really are a pain to remove good luck when you do ;)
[11:29] <shauno> some shows are best watched at work, because I still have 4:3 monitors
[11:29] <shauno> foobarry: it's the national holiday.  most countries take such as days off.  the UK is just odd for not having one
[11:30] <mapps> hmm
[11:30] <mapps> time to do some rowing
[11:30] <mapps> row row row the boat
[11:30] <mapps> :D
[11:30] <foobarry> i could have done with today off. weekend was too busy
[11:31] <shauno> oh I'm not off.  just much lazier because no-one else is here
[11:32] <bigcalm> shauno: don't work from home then
[11:32] <shauno> nope :(  but still not sure I'd have the discipline for that
[11:33] <bigcalm> shauno: if you ever do, I suggest watching a short video by Michel and Webb
[11:34] <bigcalm> Erm, Mitchell & Webb
[11:37] <davmor2> shauno: it's fine if you have a dedicated office.  That is then then work room effectively, outside of that room you are at home inside you are at the office ;)
[11:42] <popey> ooh https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co
[11:47] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm, MartijnVdS: do you guys remember a game called chaos engine?  that was a fun game :)
[11:48] <popey> nope
[11:48] <davmor2> wow according to wikipedia it was published for linux too
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: it's another microprose game I had it on the amiga
[11:49] <popey> i was too poor to have an amiga ☻
[11:50] <davmor2> popey: I only had an amiga second hand from a friend when they moved onto the pc :)
[11:52] <shauno> more fool them, amiga>pc!  (for certain timeframes)
[11:54] <davmor2> oh it's in steam
[12:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: no
[12:33] <bigcalm> I had a BBC Micro -> Acorn Archimedes -> PC. Didn't get to play many fun games
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> lots of AMAZING spreadsheets though
[12:36] <Dave2> BBC Micro had plenty of fun games
[12:36] <Dave2> And with the Archimedes you were part of the future, running the first ARM processor. That's clearly worth more than some games.
[12:38] <popey> speaking of which...
[12:39] <popey> https://archive.org/details/computermagazines
[12:42]  * bigcalm drags himself out of the time eating hole
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: and yet you are still on the internet :P
[12:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: wouldn't have a job without it :)
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[12:49] <mapps> hmm hope they dont take too long with my passport/eject it
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what are you doing with it?
[12:49] <mapps> enewing it
[12:49] <mapps> but
[12:49] <mapps> well
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> mapps: your "r" seems broken
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> ish
[12:50] <mapps> replacing i lost it at manchester airport after holland;(
[12:50] <mapps> but thing is...it says to send 2 photos and they can be a minimum of x by y ..so i cut mine and theyre a bit bigger than the guideline dimensions
[12:50] <mapps> im hoping they cut them to size ..it just specified a min..i kept within that
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: here, we have to go to special certified passport photogs
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: who give you a set that will work (or your money back/a free replacement)
[12:51] <mapps> i got them done at the photo machine but it prints 5 in a block so u cut them out..and i did but yea i just cut the white and made sure its not below the min - so i figure should be ok?
[12:52] <mapps> sounded like aslong as they aent too small its fine..to big o too much white and they can cut down?
[12:52] <mapps> well i hope so anyway
[12:52] <jussi> mapps: usually they have a overlay for size/head size etc
[12:53] <mapps> yea , thats what iu thought so its just dont make them smaller than this size
[12:53] <mapps> bit bigger is oke
[12:53] <jussi> I thought the other way....
[12:53] <mapps> but it says a mnimum surely itd say a maximum else
[12:54] <mapps> gonna try and go to 4 euro places spain/germany/ and dunno paris and somewhere wanna see Bacelona v someone..cant remember who ..but tickets are 160 euros!!!
[12:54] <mapps> 160 euros is outrageous
[12:56] <mapps> its like 50 quid for a prem game..paid 40 euros to see Utrecht
[12:56] <mapps> but i guess barcelona have a huge following
[12:58] <jussi> barca is really expensive to go see
[12:58] <jussi> I tried last time I was there
[12:58] <jussi> Nou camp is an amazing place, shame it was so damn expensive that I didnt get to go
[13:01] <mapps> you can go on a tour round it
[13:01] <mapps> is that also expensive?
[13:01] <mapps> bayern was expensive too..looked at Bayern Munich v Dortmund i think that was 80 euros? way more than i expected
[13:01] <mapps> the flights are cheaper!
[13:02] <mapps> just feels like you're being totally ripped off when its that expensive
[13:03] <mapps> ive heard paris is really really expensive too
[13:03] <jussi> mapps: Marseille is for you IMHO.
[13:03] <jussi> decent team, decent prices
[13:06] <mapps> the area isnt a ripoff too?
[13:06] <mapps> where have you been to around europe?
[13:09] <jussi> mapps: too many places to list, including germany, austria, belgium, france, italy, spain, Uk Finland, sweden, Estonia..... and more
[13:10] <shauno> scandanavia looks really expensive :/
[13:11] <jussi> shauno: it can be... depends how you go about it
[13:19] <foobarry> 5,286,940k .. what chrome is using
[13:24] <foobarry> what does background app mean? gmail is using 1.5gb
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: in which context
[13:25] <mapps> yea ive heard denmark etc cost a fortune
[13:25] <foobarry> about:memory
[13:26] <foobarry> list of tabs
[13:26] <foobarry> it had a pid which i killed and chrome popped up a balloon
[13:26] <foobarry> but unsure how to close background apps
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1184722?hl=en
[13:28] <foobarry> thx.
[13:28] <foobarry> 1gb a tad exesssive
[13:28] <foobarry> 1.5gb
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> why?
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> It's a full-featured email client, contact manager and task list management app
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> with a fair bit of your mail pre-cached
[13:32] <foobarry> thunderbird is using a lot less
[13:32] <shauno> not sure I'd call thunderbird full-featured :/
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it may not have cached as much -- disk access is orders of magnitude faster than web access
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: also, Tbird *eats* RAM usually, like firefox
[13:41] <foobarry> adblock is chomping 200M too
[13:43] <popey>  4862 alan      20   0 3190216 1.172g  45824 S   9.3  7.5 192:50.11 chromium-browse
[13:44] <popey> tweetdeck
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> is it all in use though
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> or is it just the malloc()ed bit
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> some of it never touched
[13:44] <foobarry> mine was, that was the prob
[13:44] <foobarry> used all my 8gb RAM and 4GB swap
[13:44] <popey> i just closed the tab and re-opened it
[13:44] <foobarry> most of it chrome
[13:45] <foobarry> popey: is it a bground task?
[13:45] <popey> how can you tell?
[13:45] <popey> killed G+ too and re-opened, better
[13:46] <popey> now I'm just left with the main browser process eating
[13:46] <popey>  4715 alan      20   0 3630952 540008  45736 S   2.0  3.3 436:29.88 chromium-browse
[13:46] <foobarry> task manager in settings says "background task"
[13:46] <popey> no idea what task manager that is
[13:47] <foobarry> sorry, chrome - settings
[13:47] <foobarry> similar from (ium too
[13:47] <popey> i have no task manager in settings in chromium
[13:47] <foobarry> under tools ->
[13:47] <foobarry> shift escape
[13:48] <popey> aha, tools, not settings
[13:49] <popey> none are background
[15:35] <bigcalm> What's missing from this list? http://www.onenote.com/ :(
[15:35] <nigelb> Well, it *is* a microsoft product...
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> google keep works OK for me.
[15:37] <bigcalm> All devices is a lie
[15:37] <bigcalm> !rat | TheOpenSourcerer
[15:38] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - Thanks bigcalm
[15:40]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Booked :-D
[15:44] <popey> \o/
[15:45] <bigcalm> Yay :)
[15:45] <bigcalm> Whom else do we need to tickle about this?
[15:46] <popey> yay, my Stallboard app is live in the store
[15:47] <davmor2> popey: is this the amazon swindle one or another one?
[15:49] <popey> wat wat
[15:49] <bigcalm> Is there a website that lists ut apps?
[15:49] <mapps> 2nd aug is ages away!
[15:49] <bigcalm> mapps: you have to book it early, it's a popular event
[15:50] <mapps> ah
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Wack it on the Ubuntu community on G+ and/or Twitter. The more the merrier as far I'm concerned
[15:50] <mapps> i thought just about booking time off for wok
[15:50] <mapps> work
[15:50] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm surprised that nobody has retweeted me :(
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah - when did you tweet it then?
[15:51] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/445267305950629888
[15:51] <bigcalm> Yesterday afternoon
[15:51] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: do you know where alanbell is atm?  he is normally always online...
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: He was in the office this morning. I'm at home today waiting for Travis Perkins
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> 0844 3576000
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Should probably still be there
[15:53] <jussi> yeah, thanks
[15:53] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: ta for the tweet
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> np
[15:59] <jussi> I think I should repeat this here also, as you might all get a laugh...
[15:59] <jussi> saw soemthing funny on FB today.... " this was my 9th date with my girlfriend and we went to see batman. The current date history goes like this: Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Batman"
[16:00] <mapps> lol
[16:00] <ball> It's time to install NetBSD 6.1.3 on this laptop's new hard disk.
[16:00] <ball> (the old disk failed)
[16:00] <ball> oops, that's completely meant for another channel.
[16:02] <Dave2> you're not allowed to talk about non-ubuntu in here
[16:02] <Dave2> it ruins the atmosphere
[16:03] <ball> It makes me happy that one of my colleagues has an Ubuntu Server book on his desk.
[16:03] <mapps> haha
[16:03] <mapps> :)
[16:04] <davmor2> ball: that's only any good if he uses it :)
[16:05] <ball> I should ask him whether he has an Ubuntu Server VM somewhere.
[16:06] <BigRedS> is netbsd somewhere near workable as a desktop now?
[16:08] <mapps> i thought openbsd and netbsd are just for servers
[16:09] <ball> BigRedS: I've started fights in #netbsd before by asserting that it's essentially a server OS.
[16:10] <ball> You can run desktops on it but people expect things from a desktop OS that NetBSD doesn't usually provide.
[16:10] <ball> (e.g. WiFi, Adobe Flash etc.)
[16:11] <BigRedS> ball: yeah, like it always was :)
[16:11] <BigRedS> There was a bsd-for-the-desktop distro (pc-bsd?) and I wondered if any of the other bsds had taken it upon themselves to more completely package a desktop
[16:12] <BigRedS> I've not really looked at bsd since it was only a little bit less desktop friendly than linux
[16:12] <ball> BigRedS: It's interesting that PC-BSD exists but I don't think the NetBSD people feel any great pressure to replicate that.
[16:13] <BigRedS> Ah, I meant take-the-best-bits rather than rework. But, yeah, it's never really been much of a focus for any bsd
[16:13] <ball> I like Xubuntu for desktops and BSD for servers (or unix if it's bigger than a PC server can handle comfortably).
[16:13] <BigRedS> XFCE and BSD? You're that fond of the '90s? :)
[16:14] <ball> BigRedS: Xfce4 seems less broken than Unity.
[16:14] <ball> ...and there's less of a learning curve for XP users.
[16:14] <diddledan> http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-%20broadband-race-in-1990-1224784
[16:15] <BigRedS> Oh, of course. But Unity's basically now an illustration of JWZ's CADT more than an attempt at a workable desktop I think
[16:15] <diddledan> yey for non-technical folk making technical decisions
[16:15] <BigRedS> which might just be me being interested in all the 'wrong' sorts of bug @)
[16:15] <ball> I don't know what a JWZ or CADT is.
[16:15] <BigRedS> jwz is an angry ex-mozilla developer who now runs a nightclub
[16:15] <BigRedS> er, ex-netscape
[16:16] <BigRedS> http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
[16:16] <ball> I try Ubuntu about once every year to see whether they've fixed Unity.
[16:16] <ball> ...then I go back to Xubuntu.
[16:17] <foobarry> elementary ftw
[16:17] <BigRedS> haha, I use Unity at work and it's fairly usable. I've crunchbang on my laptop because fluxbox hasn't broken indicators
[16:17] <BigRedS> and, basically, the three things I require from my DE are working alerts when I get IMs, multiple workspaces and alt-tab
[16:17] <ball> I tend to use Blackbox on NetBSD, though I've used Xfce4 there experimentally too.
[16:18] <ball> I don't think I've ever got Gnome to work there and KDE is of no interest to me.
[16:18] <BigRedS> I used to use vanilla *box but I could never be arsed to configure it
[16:18] <BigRedS> haha, I did a try-all-the-DEs as gnome 2.x's EOL was announced
[16:19] <BigRedS> and realised that most are/were horrendous
[16:19] <ball> BigRedS: On mine it's just a single flat text file to edit to fix everyone's menu.
[16:19] <ball> Customised menus might be more difficult but that hasn't come up.
[16:20] <BigRedS> my biggest problem was my laziness meaning I didn't have a working 'shutdown' button
[16:20] <BigRedS> so I'd just use the shell. And sometimes I'd use the wrong shell and enter 'poweroff' into an ssh session
[16:23] <ball> Ouch. Yes, you'd want to be careful with that, especially on a shared host.
[16:25] <daftykins> XD
[16:25] <ball> Thinking about it that was on my list of things to check: how to grey out the Shutdown button
[16:25] <hazrpg> ball: doh, I missed something, be careful with what?
[16:25] <ball> (on Xfce)
[16:27] <mapps> i use xfce or lxde
[16:28] <mapps> umm
[16:28] <shauno> I'll never figure out why amazon refuse to deliver so many products from uk to ireland :/
[16:28] <mapps> ball why is bsd better for servers than linux? sorry if its obvious
[16:30] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qxle0wmyrqksxx/IMG_20140317_161101.jpg
[16:30] <daftykins> setting this up today :>
[16:30] <daftykins> Lenovo X240 - i5-4300U based \o/
[16:30] <davmor2> shauno: have you ever thought that they might just hate you?
[16:30] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[16:30] <shauno> it's crossed my mind more than once
[16:30] <daftykins> shauno: lots of stuff won't come to the Channel Islands either, such as if it contains a battery
[16:31] <daftykins> i can't buy UPSs from amazon =|
[16:31] <davmor2> shauno: Possibly and issue with customs difference maybe?
[16:31] <shauno> right now, it's soldering iron tips.  they're either shipping from china in ~3 weeks, or they're mainland sellers that can't ship to ireland
[16:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka
[16:32] <mapps> or anyone that has an answer
[16:32] <ball> mapps: It's better for me on servers than Linux because I don't know how to use Linux.
[16:33] <ball> I mean, I can poke my way around on Xubuntu as a desktop but I'm lost when I have to use a Linux server.
[16:33] <ball> I should probably buy a book or something.
[16:34] <daftykins> just do what i did, give yourself a server orientated task to learn, then get cracking
[16:34] <daftykins> you'll catch on pretty quick if you're comfortable on the command line and good with file management
[16:34] <daftykins> my #1 task was to play with setting up a web server from home
[16:34] <shauno> on the other hand, bsd is near-useless for me on servers for exactly the same reason :)
[16:34] <ball> daftykins: I would but I'm usually too busy.
[16:34] <daftykins> ah
[16:34] <ball> daftykins: Are you in the Channel Islands?
[16:35] <daftykins> yes sir, Guernsey
[16:35] <ball> I loved Guernsey
[16:35] <daftykins> an island which has a retarded government about to introduce a tax similar to VAT
[16:35] <daftykins> *commences high volume obscenity screaming toward the States of Guernsey*
[16:35] <ball> I've been there a few times, the first when I was twelve and sailed from Dartmouth to St. Peter Port in a Force 9 gale.
[16:35] <MooDoo> daftykins: you suck ;)
[16:36] <daftykins> MooDoo: D:
[16:36] <ball> daftykins: Will it be 25%?
[16:36] <daftykins> ball: :D nice
[16:36] <daftykins> nah 5%
[16:36] <davmor2> daftykins: man another reason not to go :D
[16:36] <ball> daftykins: That's not too bad then.
[16:36] <daftykins> but the thing is, we have access to a direct case study of how good it is to implement - over on Jersey that've had it since ~2007 - they *regret* it
[16:37] <daftykins> it's going to cost as much to implement and run as the tax brings in
[16:37] <daftykins> i'm so livid about their level of idiocy i might have to take one of diddledan's sedatives
[16:37] <daftykins> anyway hardly channel topic - so i shall hush :)
[16:41] <ball> I should probably do the same about BSD then.
[16:42] <daftykins> nah that's as close to on-topic as we ever get :D
[16:42] <diddledan> BSD is pretty decent
[16:42] <ball> ...except to say that the FreeBSD people would probably cite ZFS as an advantage of FreeBSD on servers. I haven't used FreeBSD in recent years so I can't vouch for that myself.
[16:42] <ball> ...but I'm aware of ZFS as a potentially useful thing for file servers.
[16:42] <mapps> ahh ok thanks ball i just wondered im sure ive heard people say how bsd is better as servers but beyond the you know bsd and not linux ..wonder what other reasons
[16:42] <diddledan> ZFS is supposedly the saviour of all mankind
[16:43] <mapps> i tried freebsd many years back on like a p166 so that tells you how long ago
[16:43] <ball> mapps: Stability perhaps.
[16:43] <shauno> personally, I think there's a default assumption that bsd must be for servers because you'd be crazy to use it for anything else
[16:43] <ball> shauno may have a point.
[16:43] <ball> brb, moar coffee/
[16:44] <diddledan> if you only use the ports system then bsd on the server is no more friendly than gentoo
[16:44] <diddledan> compile all the things
[16:44] <diddledan> luckily they do make binpkgs of some stuff
[16:46] <diddledan> but pfsense and freenas are pretty awesome variants
[16:47] <mapps> thanks
[16:47] <diddledan> it annoys me, however, that pfsense can't do failover unless you have multiple public ip addresses and the two systems' public interfaces somehow tied to one-another
[16:48] <mapps> hm heard of ports dunno what it is
[16:48] <mapps> not easier than compiling by source?
[16:50] <ball> The ports collection is what FreeBSD and perhaps OpenBSD call their collection of packages.
[16:50] <ball> NetBSD call theirs pkgsrc.
[16:50] <ball> (though pkgsrc is designed to be portable to other systems)
[16:51] <ball> I build packages from source because pkgsrc makes that easy, if not exactly quick.
[16:51] <ball> There are binary packages too but I think they're more awkward to use.
[16:56] <ball> hello ahayzen
[16:57] <ahayzen> ball, o/
[17:53] <mapps> ugh
[17:53] <mapps> boring walk to the supermarket done
[17:53] <mapps> ;]
[17:54] <mapps> ball so if ports is fbsds package system isnt that easier than from source
[17:55] <ball> Possibly on FreeBSD. I don't use that so I couldn't say.
[17:55] <mapps> ah ok sorry
[18:02] <mapps> so will there be anything good on tv tonight
[18:02] <mapps> i say...unlikely
[18:03] <daftykins> heh, TV good
[18:03] <daftykins> silly mapps ;)
[18:04] <mapps> :)
[18:04] <daftykins> i'm really enjoying House of Cards so far
[18:04] <daftykins> that netflix series with Kevin Spacey
[18:22] <ball> Is that an American remake of the U.K. one?
[18:23] <diddledan> ball: yes
[18:25] <davmor2> so not as good then /me dives in the bunker
[18:27] <ball> davmor2: That's usually the way.
[18:30] <daftykins> well, it's spun out longer, as is tradition for US TV
[18:30] <daftykins> *but* it's sufficiently not about US politics that even i'm enjoying it
[18:30] <daftykins> so it can't be bad :D
[18:31] <daftykins> not seen the original UK version
[18:37] <ball> Fortunately the local PBS stations play quite a bit of U.K. telly.
[18:38] <ball> Not that I watch much telly.
[18:41] <daftykins> :)
[18:44] <mapps> not seen either
[18:44] <mapps> how far through are you daftykins
[18:45] <mapps> heard it is mad good yea - thats on my list to watch sometime..i tend to go through loadsa eps at once
[18:45] <daftykins> mapps: only about a third of season 1
[18:45] <mapps> il have done arrow s1 soon..23 eps in 3-4days;p
[18:45] <mapps> aha
[19:01] <ali1234> is there a quick way to delete a lot of spam tweets after hackers steal your twitter password?
[19:02] <mapps> hmm
[19:03] <mapps> not as far as im aware not though the site anyway 3d party app ..maybe
[19:04] <daftykins> ali1234: have you been scuppered? D:
[19:05] <ali1234> no, i don't use twitter
[19:05] <directhex> # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 7 commits.
[19:07] <daftykins> directhex: the artist formerly known as ye olde steamose?
[19:07] <directhex> daftykins, yes!
[19:07] <daftykins> :O
[19:08] <directhex> commit 639a6cad7f18d13d60c96911ddfc518b6c1dbe00
[19:08] <directhex> Author: Jo Shields<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:08] <directhex> Date:   Mon Mar 17 18:55:54 2014 +0000
[19:08] <directhex>     Ye Olde SteamOSe is now XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Rename references in gen.sh
[19:09] <directhex> am preparing one mega git push
[19:09] <directhex> will likely be on wednesday at this rate
[19:09] <daftykins> hehehe
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 1: prepare an installer which works *great* on dmraid (for dual-booting properly with windows raid users)
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 2: prepare new website
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 3: begin seeding via trusted seeder network
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 4: record a series(!) of tutorial videos, making XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the best documented way to install SteamOS
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 5: git push --all
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 6: announce
[19:12] <directhex> also, amend #1 to include "works on radeon 4000 series"
[19:13] <directhex> 1 is totally blocked right now on real test hardware
[19:14] <directhex> so i'm gonna work on 2 until then
[19:14]  * popey wonders what the ATI card he has is
[19:15] <directhex> maybe even pieces of 4 aren't blocking
[19:18] <popey> well, i cant even find the amazon or ebuyer order I thought I had got it from
[19:19] <directhex> i ordered one off ebay
[19:19] <popey> suppose i could turn this pc on and find out
[19:19] <directhex> i've basically spent every penny of YOS donations, plus £5 of my own money, on my test bed
[19:22] <daftykins> hehe
[19:22] <daftykins> that's dedication!
[19:23] <daftykins> off to eat and what not, ttfn \o
[19:24] <directhex> should be getting a bunch of it tomorrow
[19:26] <mapps> hm
[19:26] <mapps> the twins from the following well the 1 guy that plays both
[19:26] <mapps> from same place as me and went to the same school!
[19:26] <mapps> didnt know him..prob 3-4yrs younger
[19:26] <mapps> still kinda neat
[19:29] <directhex> case/psu should arrive tomorrow from scan, according to txt from dpd
[19:30] <mapps> what you building
[19:31] <directhex> mapps, an old pc
[19:32] <directhex> radeon should show up tomorrow too, rmsd
[19:32] <directhex> mobo/cpu/ram are in myhermes limbo right now, so glob knows when they'll show
[19:56] <directhex> i lied btw, it's mostly mono money not steamos money
[20:07] <popey> haha, i just booted my old pc with the ati card
[20:08] <popey> boots into ye olde steam os
[20:08] <popey> not used this in a while!
[20:08] <popey> hm, whats the username /password for the desktop account?
[20:09] <popey> ah yes, desktop/desktop
[20:09] <popey> so this thing has a Radeo HD 5450/6350 according to lspci
[20:24] <directhex> 5000 series is supported by fglrx
[20:25] <directhex> i already have a spare 5450, but i need to help debug working on older cards
[20:25] <directhex> lots of grumpy people with high end 4000 series on steam forums


[17:23] <qwebirc3111> Hello. I know there are emulators on Mythbuntu 11 (nintendo, sega).  Are they in Mythbuntu 10, 9 and 8?
[17:24] <tgm4883> emulators are outside the scope of mythtv, mythgame offers the ability to launch outside emulators, so whatever is available outside of mythtv is available to mythgame
[17:26] <qwebirc3111> OK. Thank you.
[17:26] <qwebirc3111> And, where is the document with the steps for create a live usb with Mythbuntu? Thank you.
[17:26] <Shred00> given that ubuntu-proper packages mythtvfs, i wonder why the mythbuntu team are not packaging it also
[17:27] <tgm4883> qwebirc3111, I don't think there is documentation on that. If you are running ubuntu you can use the usb creator, if you are using something else unetbootin should work
[17:28] <tgm4883> Shred00, Not sure what you mean by that
[17:28] <Shred00> perhaps mythtfs.py is moribund anyway
[17:28] <Shred00> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfs.py
[17:28] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Mythfs.py - MythTV Official Wiki
[17:29] <tgm4883> Shred00, so you'll notice that is for 0.24, and doesn't say it works with 0.25 or 0.26.
[17:29] <Shred00> tgm4883: yes.  see my subsequent msgs.
[17:30] <Shred00> seems that mythtvfs in ubuntu is something different anyway.
[17:30] <tgm4883> ah yes
[17:30] <qwebirc3111> thank you everyone
[17:30] <qwebirc3111> bye
[17:31] <Shred00> mythtvfs in ubuntu doesn't seem compatible with 0.25-fixes either
[17:31] <Shred00> http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/mythtvfs-fuse/
[17:31] <Zinn> [outflux.net] MythTVfs
[20:27] <Name141> Hello, I was wondering if there is a list of known working OTA USB dealy .. whompers.. tuners or whatever you want to call it
[20:30] <Name141> such as would this work ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815153016&name=Video-Devices-TV-Tuners
[20:30] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - ENCORE PC HDTV Tuner ENUTV-DAQ USB 2.0 Interface


[04:37] <mup> Bug #1326904 changed: juju sync-tools fails with proxy. <addressability> <network> <proxy> <sync-tools> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326904>
[20:49] <mwhudson> good morning #juju
[21:25] <davechen1y> thumper: doh, too slow, http://www.mtviggy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/pid_17864.jpg
[21:38] <davechen1y> ping http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1764/
[21:40] <davechen1y> ping http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1764/
[21:55] <thumper> davechen1y: I'll take a look now
[22:02] <thumper> davechen1y: done, shipit
[22:11] <thumper> davechen1y: cmd/juju/bootstrap_test.go:246 - tests non-supported architecture failure using arm64
[22:11] <thumper> davechen1y: this is why your branch won't land
[22:11] <thumper> davechen1y: we need a different arch there.
[22:35] <mwhudson> thumper: lol what
[22:35] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah...
[23:30] <davechen1y> thumper: facepalm, i'll fix that