[00:00] <kosaidpo> -rw-r--r-- 1 xsaiddx www-data 675 2010-12-19 23:18 /home/xsaiddx/.profile
[00:01] <yofel> kosaidpo: and 'ls ~/.bash*' ?
[00:03] <kosaidpo> yofel: i msged u in private
[00:07] <kosaidpo1> yofel: hello still the same i have to source up the file to let the script get recognized from evrywhere
[00:07] <kosaidpo1> and if i closed the terminal i have to re-do the source .pro
[00:07] <yofel> your bash is odd...
[00:08] <kosaidpo1> :P
[00:12] <kosaidpo1> thanks tho
[00:12] <kosaidpo1> goin to sleep now
[00:12] <kosaidpo1> have good time
[01:26] <UndiFineD> !dualscreen
[01:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'dualscreen' not found
[01:26] <UndiFineD> !dualmoni
[01:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'dualmoni' not found
[01:26] <UndiFineD> !dualmonitor
[01:26] <ubot2> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[02:35] <stlsaint> yo anyone around?
[02:56] <kendrickLeiter> not sure if it's appropriate for beginners, but when viewing webpages in command line using links, can I open images on the page using feh?
[02:57] <paultag> sure kendrickLeiter :)
[02:57] <paultag> kendrickLeiter: just hack in support -- feh can load over http, so just hack a script or something onto lynx / elinks / links to handle the img type
[02:58] <paultag> all you need to do is snag the <img> tags, read in the src attr, and use that URL as an arg to feh
[03:00] <harrisonk> hello
[03:04] <harrisonk> !!Xinerama
[03:04] <ubot2> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[03:04] <harrisonk> !X
[03:04] <ubot2> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[06:18] <firewall_03> so lets say I want a music file to play when I get an e-mail, I already have the gmail app installed, what would the command be play a sound file?
[06:22] <bioterror> firewall_03, in evolution: Edit/Plugins/mail-notification.
[06:23] <firewall_03> I don't use evolution I am running mail-watcher, it was one of the app's I found for the tool bar on xubuntu
[06:39] <geirha> mplayer or play (in the sox package) maybe
[06:40] <geirha> There's aplay which is installed by default I think, but not sure what filetypes it can play.
[06:41] <geirha> espeak "You got mail"
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> wow there're a lot of gmail notifiers.
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> But why not use evolution?
[06:44] <firewall_03> lol idk
[06:44] <firewall_03> I guess I could
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> Well no I mean I was just asking :)
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> I wasn't telling lol
[06:45] <firewall_03> I know
[06:45] <firewall_03> is thunderbird better?
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> GMail is awesome 'cause you can set it up through pretty much anything.
[06:46] <geirha> "All mail clients suck.  - www.mutt.org
[06:46] <geirha> I like that one ^ :)
[06:46] <firewall_03> lol ya
[06:47] <firewall_03> Id have to say I do like running Xubuntu over the netbook remix
[06:47] <bioterror> I like alpine more
[06:47] <bioterror> alpine can handle imap too
[06:47] <MrAnthrope> I don't have anything set up on Linux to check my gmail because my phone sends me notifications immediately.
[06:47] <geirha> bioterror: So can mutt
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> And if I'm not near my computer I can check it on my phone. Or if I am I just check it through Chrome.
[06:49] <john2010> how do i turn on laptop mode?
[06:49] <bioterror> what mode?
[06:49] <bioterror> you can adjust your power settings, right click on the battery icon
[06:50] <john2010> so there's no such thing as a laptop mode?
[06:51] <bioterror> you're not using windows, remember
[06:51] <bioterror> things are done differently
[06:52] <john2010> ok anyway i have one more issue
[06:52] <john2010> when i attempt to use POWERTOP after 5 seconds my computers goes black
[06:53] <john2010> and i"m forced to reboot by holding in my power button
[06:54] <MrAnthrope> Will Mozilla Thunderbird install into the notification panel?
[06:55] <firewall_03> MrAnthrope: i don't think so, but I am not sure
[06:55] <MrAnthrope> I should set up evo...
[06:56] <bioterror> john2010, I've never dealth with powertop. if your laptop can suspend/hibernate and resume without a problem, then there must be something with the powertop
[07:03] <firewall_03> I had suspend/hibernate problems on a sony vaio
[14:21]  * UndiFineD waves at casandera
[14:22] <casandera> hoi
[14:22] <hajour> hai casandera
[14:22] <hajour> all meet my daughter casandera
[14:23] <hobgoblin> hello
[14:26] <hajour> casandera, go to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[15:09] <irctest> Hey guys
[15:10] <Puck`> hi irctest
[15:10] <Puck`> welcome to Ubuntu Beginners Channel (:
[15:12] <irctest> Thanks, I just wnat to connect to a remote company server(Ubuntu 10.04), but I it's screen locked and waiting for password, and here I see a dark screen in vinagre, any help?
[15:14] <irctest> I cannot see remote desktop screen.
[15:18] <ebeeb> hi all
[15:19] <ebeeb> just installed fresh 10.10 , and i got bootloader problems
[15:20] <ebeeb> liveCD did not meneged to install bootloader on any of my partitions
[15:20] <ebeeb> now i cannot boot my machine.
[17:30] <reaper_> anyone know how to set the permissions on CD/DVD Drive to check the allow executing file as program
[17:40] <genupulas> reaper_:  go tp properties of cd/dvd
[17:41] <genupulas> reaper_:  go to open with and select add and select ur first preferable application
[17:42] <reaper_> nothing is their, only gives me the option is when I have a disk in the drive and when I try to check it. it says I cant
[18:35] <reaper_> question how does gmount-iso work, I was able to mount first disk with no problem but now I cant get it to move to the second disk, can anyone help me
[18:36] <stlsaint> reaper_: have you viewed the man page for it
[18:37] <reaper_> for gmount
[18:37] <reaper_> no
[18:43]  * nlsthzn spots a RTFM and giggles to himself like a little school girl...
[19:07] <TomekaGerena> asterismo, you in?
[19:20] <Mjiig> good afternoon, something odd happened today when i was checking top, java is showing 154% CPU usage. That doesn't seem possible. Any ideas?
[19:20] <stlsaint> 154%?
[19:20] <Mjiig> yep
[19:20] <stlsaint> well alot of apps use java
[19:20] <nlsthzn> More than one core perhaps?
[19:21] <Mjiig> hadn't thought of that
[19:21] <Mjiig> i think it's dual core
[19:21] <Mjiig> would top show that in that way
[19:21] <stlsaint> show dual cores? not sure but i think it shows the two as one
[19:21] <nlsthzn> Don't know... the way of the Top is mysterious to me
[19:22] <asterismo> TomekaGerena > in?
[19:22] <Mjiig> at the same time conky was showing about 70%
[19:23] <yofel_> Mjiig: pressing '1' in top will expand cores, but 100% usually mean 1 core, so if a process uses 2 cores it'll be shown as 200%
[19:23] <doez> Can I disable the alt hotkey somehow? I need it to play a game.
[19:24] <Mjiig> yofel: thanks
[19:25] <TomekaGerena> asterismo, i'm the one that has been having issues with the icon theme.
[19:25] <nlsthzn> Mjiig: 70%*2 ~ 150%... sounds about right :)
[19:26] <stlsaint> doez: whatever application uses the hotkey option is where you change it
[19:26] <asterismo> ah
[19:26] <asterismo> yeah
[19:26] <asterismo> could you fix that?
[19:26] <doez> stlsaint: No I get the options "Minimize, maximize etc etc" in every application.
[19:26] <TomekaGerena> nope.
[19:27] <asterismo> TomekaGerena > do this
[19:27] <asterismo> 1) open a nautilus file manager
[19:27] <asterismo> 2) go to your user folder
[19:27] <asterismo> hit Ctrl+H to see hidden files and folders
[19:28] <asterismo> seek the folder .icons
[19:28] <stlsaint> doez: System->Keyboard Shortcuts
[19:28] <TomekaGerena> asterismo, empty folder
[19:28] <asterismo> go in it, and then uncompress the FaenzaGreen .tar.gz file in that folder
[19:29] <asterismo> it should show now a FaenzaGreen folder
[19:29] <asterismo> now, delete the .tar.gz
[19:29] <doez> stlsaint: Thank you.
[19:29] <asterismo> go to appearences and hit your theme, and choose customize, go to the icon tab and search for your icons
[19:29] <asterismo> and you're done
[19:31] <TomekaGerena> well, i may not have the option, but it appears the icons have changed
[19:32] <TomekaGerena> unless its supposed to be called different
[19:34] <asterismo> do you have Ubuntu and GNOME installed?
[19:34] <TomekaGerena> default ubnutu installation
[19:34] <asterismo> because in appereance
[19:35] <asterismo> you have 3 buttons at the bottom
[19:35] <TomekaGerena> yeah
[19:35] <asterismo> save as, costomize, and install
[19:35] <TomekaGerena> i got that
[19:35] <TomekaGerena> i hit customize
[19:35] <TomekaGerena> go to icons
[19:35] <asterismo> choose the icons tab
[19:35] <asterismo> and scroll down to the Faenza,
[19:36] <TomekaGerena> i don't have a faenza option
[19:36] <TomekaGerena> what is selected, is Clearlooks
[19:36] <asterismo> but you uncompressed the FaenzaGreen folder into /home/username/.icons
[19:36] <asterismo> right?
[19:36] <TomekaGerena> yes, and the icons changed
[19:36] <TomekaGerena> so i'm asking should it be showing as clearlooks, or faenza
[19:37] <asterismo> clearlooks is a GTK theme
[19:37] <asterismo> that is the controls tab
[19:37] <asterismo> when hitting customize, you have several superior tabs
[19:37] <asterismo> controls, Colors, Window Border, Icons, etc
[19:38] <TomekaGerena> bah shit
[19:38] <asterismo> change to icon tab
[19:38] <TomekaGerena> ok,
[19:38] <TomekaGerena> my bad
[19:38] <asterismo> it should be there
[19:38] <TomekaGerena> yeah... ok, i see it now
[19:38] <TomekaGerena> my mistake
[19:38] <asterismo> TomekaGerena > anyway there is a better way to do it
[19:39] <asterismo> in the main appearence window, you just need to hit "install" button, and select the FaenzaGreen.tar.gz, it automatically recognize that as a new icon theme and ask you if you want to apply the new theme
[19:40] <TomekaGerena> yeah.. it wasn't doing it for me
[19:40] <TomekaGerena> so yeah
[19:40] <asterismo> so do that with future icon themes, it should work
[19:40] <asterismo> going to .icon folder and uncompress mannually there is just the manual way, or hacker way, lol
[19:41] <asterismo> glad it helped
[19:41] <TomekaGerena> no worries... just glad to have it done
[19:41] <asterismo> enjoy the theme
[19:42] <asterismo> TomekaGerena > you can also install the GTK theme, doing something similar manually but in the .theme folder
[19:43] <asterismo> It makes the FaenzaGreen icons looks better, any dark theme would do
[20:01] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[20:07] <kristian-aalborg> is there anyone here who might be able to help my configure my framebuffer correctly?
[20:09] <MrAnthrope> No idea what that is, sorry.
[20:20] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: what do you want to set?
[20:20] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: hi
[20:20] <kristian-aalborg> MrAnthrope: honesty is nice ;)
[20:22] <kristian-aalborg> the skinny is that I have a dual (acutally quadropple (sp)) boot - I like to have full resolution in my terminal, so I added some stuff to 00_header and /etc/default/grub - but now I can't load my other OS, Slitaz
[20:22] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: lol, yea you spelled that all jacked up
[20:22] <kristian-aalborg> also, I suspect that my settings are done wrong, because the box seems too slow
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> four-times boot, alright?
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[20:23] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: boot to grub commandline, run vbeinfo to get what's possible and set 'GRUB_GFXMODE' and maybe 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX' in /etc/default/grub
[20:24] <yofel> I have
[20:24] <yofel> GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800
[20:24] <yofel> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x800x32
[20:24] <yofel> for example
[20:24] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: will try, hang on
[20:25] <yofel> my native res is 1600x900 but for some reason the vesa fb doesn't support that for my card :(
[20:26] <kristian-aalborg> I get something that says configured VBE mode = 0x101
[20:27] <yofel> yeah, you can give that has a hex value too, vbeinfo will show what you *can* set, setting something that's not supported will prevent booting
[20:27] <kristian-aalborg> now I'm running vbetest... looks trippy
[20:27] <yofel> s/has/as/
[20:30] <kristian-aalborg> 0x116 or 0x117 seems to be what I want
[20:34] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: this is in 00_header or in /default/grub?+
[20:34] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[20:35] <yofel> why would you change 00_header? only set things in /etc/default/grub, changing stuff in /etc/grub.2 has great breakage potential
[20:35] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: I was following some forum post somewhere
[20:36] <kristian-aalborg> badhacks.org/forum is perhaps not the best place to look ;)
[20:36] <MrAnthrope> lmao
[20:36] <yofel> if that post set 'vbe=...' then that's rather old, not sure if that syntax still works
[20:36] <MrAnthrope> Still no idea what's going on but "s/has/as/" made me giggle.
[20:37] <yofel> MrAnthrope: that meant: replace has with as in my last sentence :P
[20:37] <MrAnthrope> Oh yeah I got that part. All the other stuff -- no idea.
[20:38] <kristian-aalborg> should I have insmod vbe somewhere?
[20:38] <yofel> MrAnthrope: and the framebuffer is what shows the ttys when X isn't running, meaning what you see when you go to ctrl+alt+f2
[20:39] <MrAnthrope> !dict ttys
[20:39] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: no, the scripts take care of that when you set gfxmode or gfxpayload
[20:39] <ubot2> Factoid 'dict ttys' not found
[20:39] <MrAnthrope> !ttys
[20:39] <ubot2> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.
[20:39] <yofel> take the framebuffer as text mode graphic driver (very basic one)
[20:40] <MrAnthrope> Is there hardware that is actively developed for Linux?
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> I have GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD but not GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
[20:40] <reaper_> how do I remove files from the filesystem and the home dir that are locked
[20:40] <yofel> erm, as long as there are linux drivers you can use any hardware for linux
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> MrAnthrope: the Android Phone?
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> also, there are computers out there built with linux in mind
[20:40] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: payload isn't there by default, it's somewhere in the depths of the grub documentation
[20:40] <yofel> !grub2 | kristian-aalborg
[20:41] <ubot2> kristian-aalborg: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:41] <yofel> it's there afaik
[20:41] <MrAnthrope> I have an android, but I meant computers heh. I build computers. Going to build another one for Linux.
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: can you paste your /default/grub?
[20:42] <kristian-aalborg> MrAnthrope: there's lists of supported HW out there
[20:42] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546094/
[20:43] <kristian-aalborg> gracias
[20:43]  * kristian-aalborg crosses fingers
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> bugger, I lost the correct resolution
[20:47] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/RNPfVYqS
[20:53] <kristian-aalborg> the hex codes don't seem to work for me
[20:56] <yofel> well, vbeinfo tells you the resolution values too, so just use that
[21:00] <kristian-aalborg> holy smoke... my screen just turned red slowly
[21:00] <UndiFineD> is it a crt ?
[21:01] <UndiFineD> kristian-aalborg, ?
[21:01] <kristian-aalborg> no... it's very old
[21:01] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770
[21:01] <kristian-aalborg> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=795"  - I did something like this
[21:02] <kristian-aalborg> from official ubuntu documentation
[21:04] <MrAnthrope> Like when you get hit in Modern Warfare?
[21:04] <MrAnthrope> You've been shot, duck!
[21:06] <reaper_> how do I remove files from the filesystem and the home dir that are locked?
[21:07] <MrAnthrope> Your home dir shouldn't have locked files in it.
[21:08] <kristian-aalborg> MrAnthrope: actually, something like that
[21:08] <MrAnthrope> You should be able to right click those and go to properties and I think there's a permissions tab.
[21:08] <MrAnthrope> kristian-aalborg: DUCK!!!
[21:08] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[21:09] <reaper_> it does
[21:09] <MrAnthrope> but your filesystem is locked for a reason and that's a bit harder to delete files from. I'm not sure I can explain how to do that. CLI stuff.
[21:09] <reaper_> yeah I know that
[21:09] <reaper_> the files that I want to remove are from a game im trying to install but its not working
[21:10] <MrAnthrope> Now you've piqued my interest. :)
[21:10] <reaper_> ?
[21:10] <MrAnthrope> What game?
[21:10] <reaper_> doom 3
[21:11] <yofel> reaper_: how did you install it? or do you mean 'permission denied' with 'locked' ?
[21:11] <MrAnthrope> Are you using wine?
[21:11] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: the official grub2 documentation?
[21:11] <yofel> I mean https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - since any grub1 documentation is invalid for grub2
[21:12] <kristian-aalborg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[21:12] <kristian-aalborg> nope, ubuntu - still rather bad
[21:12] <reaper_> I downloaded the doom3-linux-<IP_ADDRESS>4.x86.run from id and installed it that way in 3 different locations on my hard drive and now I cant do what I need to do
[21:12] <kristian-aalborg> vga= is gone, as I understand it
[21:13] <reaper_> MrAnthrope, no dont think im using wine
[21:13] <MrAnthrope> Oh I didn't know doom 3 was linux native.
[21:13] <yofel> not sure then, I remember grub2 giving 'setting vbe= is deprecated' messages in karmic though so I stopped using that, stopped working for me anyway back then
[21:14] <yofel> er, 'setting vga= is deprecated', been a long time
[21:14] <kristian-aalborg> yes - but look at the link!
[21:14] <kristian-aalborg> if anyone here can edit, please do so! Mark will thank you!
[21:15] <reaper_> MrAnthrope, yeah I have installed it before and never had a problem but for some reason its not work and Doom 3 runs better in linux than win
[21:16] <MrAnthrope> I think if you go to your terminal and type sudo nautilus you can navigate to the folder where you installed the game and delete it from there. I'm not sure that will work though.
[21:16] <yofel> well, that's community documentation so anyone with a wiki acc. can change that, would need some investigation though, as I think payload is only supported since lucid
[21:16] <reaper_> MrAnthrope,  Ill give it a try
[21:19] <yofel> if you run nautilus with sudo you can delete pretty much everything, better would be to run 'sudo chown $USER:$USER -R $HOME' and then delete them without sudo
[21:19] <yofel> if you installed it in your home folder, if not you'll have to use sudo anyway
[21:19] <MrAnthrope> Yeah that's the CLI stuff I was saying I couldn't explain how to do :)
[21:20] <MrAnthrope> I just know never type sudo apt-get remove plymouth :D
[21:21] <reaper_> ok got them all deleted
[21:21] <reaper_> thanks
[21:21] <MrAnthrope> Cool, that actually worked?
[21:21] <MrAnthrope> Shot in the dark.
[21:22] <reaper_> you never know until you try
[21:22] <yofel> MrAnthrope: that wouldn't work anyway, unless you explicitely force apt to remove half of the system
[21:24] <MrAnthrope> Yup.
[21:24] <MrAnthrope> Have done it.
[21:24] <yofel> oh, my condolences
[21:24] <MrAnthrope> Someone told me to :)
[21:24] <MrAnthrope> "But why is it removing chrome?" "...you can reinstall it."
 They didn't know it would delete half my computer either lol.
[21:25] <MrAnthrope> Luckily I had *just* installed it. So no loss.
[21:25] <MrAnthrope> Just re-installed.
[21:29] <reaper_> yes I got it to work
[21:29] <yofel> \o/
[21:30] <reaper_> their needs to be a easy way to play games on linux
[21:31] <MrAnthrope> Amen
[21:31] <MrAnthrope> ANet actively develops Guild Wars to work in wine. It was easier to install GW on Linux than it was Windows.
[21:31] <MrAnthrope> Though I had to do some tweaking to get the graphics settings right for my old computer :(
[21:32] <reaper_> I still cant get WoW to install
[21:32] <reaper_> havent ever played guild wars
[21:32] <MrAnthrope> I'm hoping Guild Wars 2 will also be actively developed for wine.
[21:32] <reaper_> hopeful
[21:33] <MrAnthrope> It's not WoW but it's fun.
[21:33] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: I still think something's amiss - I have to be SU to open fbi, for instance
[21:33] <MrAnthrope> I personally don't enjoy grinding. I give up after 5 minutes.
[21:33] <reaper_> I wish game developers would take the time like id did and do a linux install
[21:33] <MrAnthrope> So I played WoW in 5 minute intervals for a month and I was like ... this is stupid why am I paying for something I don't want to do.
[21:34] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: what's fbi?
[21:34] <reaper_> Ive been trying to get a number of games to work for 2 or 3 days now
[21:34] <kristian-aalborg> a picture viewer for the terminal - it's rather cool, actually ;)
[21:34] <MrAnthrope> GW and GW2 don't have monthly membership requirements.  In component universe, is optional. Version 2.07-3 (maverick), package size 54 kB, installed size 180 kB
[21:35] <reaper_> well thats good I might have to look into them then
[21:35] <kristian-aalborg> tada
[21:35] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: CLI is fun
[21:35] <MrAnthrope> DDO is completely free to play. They have an in game store and some of the content is purchase only. And you only get 2 character slots per server.
[21:35] <yofel> sure, but I still prefer X :P
[21:36] <MrAnthrope> But you can pay $15 a month if you want and they give you some junk.
[21:36] <reaper_> does it work in linux
[21:36] <MrAnthrope> It's a bit of work, but yeah.
[21:36] <MrAnthrope> There's also a linux guild on the Sarlona server called Tux Familiar.
[21:37] <reaper_> ive been trying for days to get lsat chaos to work and now we are not seeing eye to eye
[21:37] <MrAnthrope> The game itself works just fine except voice chat. The launcher is the problem. The launcher does not work at all, so there is a linux native launcher.
[21:38] <reaper_> for what
[21:38] <MrAnthrope> DDO
[21:38] <reaper_> ok
[21:38] <MrAnthrope> Never heard of Last Chaos.
[21:38] <reaper_> its a free mmo from aeriagames
[21:39] <MrAnthrope> If you look on WineHQ for Dungeons and Dragons Online there is a lot of info there.
[21:39] <MrAnthrope> I played an aeria game once...
[21:39] <MrAnthrope> can't remember the name of it. But it was really dumb lol
[21:39] <reaper_> yeah that is a lot of the other one but it doesnt work for me
[21:39] <reaper_> right
[21:40] <MrAnthrope> The problem is game developers target windows because it's a larger audience.
[21:41] <MrAnthrope> And it would cost money to develop for another OS.
[21:41] <reaper_> yeah that maybe true but i would like to be able to choose and they may fine that they have more people play their games on linux than win
[21:42] <reaper_> and for the people that are only staying on win to play games can come home
[21:44] <reaper_> too linux
[21:44] <MrAnthrope> hehe
[21:47] <reaper_> what its true
[21:48] <MrAnthrope> If more people start using Ubuntu, maybe.
[21:49] <reaper_> maybe
[21:52] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Custom_Menu - does this seem ok to you?
[21:55] <MrAnthrope> Oh by the way reaper_ the launcher for DDO is called pyLOTR
[21:55] <MrAnthrope> If you were interested.
[21:57] <reaper_> ok thanks ill check it out o and btw been does guild wars 2 come out
[21:57] <MrAnthrope> No release date yet.
[21:57] <MrAnthrope> "soon"
[21:58] <reaper_> ok thanks
[22:16] <kristian-aalborg> holy smokes.... links2 graphical might be the fastest "real" browser I've seen!
[22:55] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[22:56] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: Hi *waves*
[22:56] <Silver_Fox_> Hello nlsthzn
[22:59] <Silver_Fox_> How are you?
[23:02] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: Always good, and yourself?
[23:02] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you
[23:09] <yofel> kristian-aalborg: doesn't look wrong at first sight, but haven't tried something like that yet
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> thanks
[23:10]  * kristian-aalborg is out


[03:37] <noahm> fabiomirmar: yeah, I need to update it.  There are a couple of upstream changes needed, too, so there's likely going to be a 2.5.0 release as soon as I can make the time for it.
[03:38] <noahm> fabiomirmar: It doesn't currently have good support for instances with lots of physical network interfaces.  And there's a bug that breaks return traffic to containers on the docker bridge.
[03:38] <noahm> I'll look at the postinst change as well.
[12:06] <fabiomirmar> noahm, cool, thank you very much! We are looking into backporting 2.4.0 to Ubuntu for now
[12:06] <fabiomirmar> @mitchdz ^


[04:23] <desrt> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icu/+bug/1037588 :(
[04:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1037588 in icu (Ubuntu Quantal) "Provide pkg-config pc files" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[04:23] <desrt> bad attitude, dude
[04:25] <desrt> particularly considering the bug is in our packaging...
[04:26] <micahg> I don't see why we wouldn't ship a .pc file if present
[04:26] <desrt> micahg: it was a simple packaging error
[04:27] <micahg> ah, fixed in raring
[04:27] <micahg> yeah, so SRUing that might not be possible unless it's needed by something in the archive that won't build otherwise (and won't break anything else)
[04:28] <desrt> ya.  i grok that.
[04:28]  * desrt doesn't grok the bad attitude, though
[04:28] <desrt> (particularly since the comment is factually incorrect)
[04:32] <micahg> desrt: which comment specifically?  (I'm a little tired ATM)
[04:32] <desrt> the last one
[04:32] <micahg> yeah, doesn't seem right
[04:33] <desrt> i'm building a patched icu to try to see if it fixes the issue here before i comment
[04:33] <desrt> least we could do is to get that into the desktop team ppa or something
[04:33] <micahg> yeah, I"m a little reluctant to backport icu
[04:33] <desrt> ya.  don't blame you
[04:40] <desrt> huh... looks like our libsoundtouch and liboauth packages suffer from exactly the same issues
[04:43] <desrt> or not.  two different unrelated issues there.
[04:49] <desrt> jbicha: hey.  can you upload to desktop team ppa?
[05:04] <jbicha> desrt: yes
[05:05] <desrt> jbicha: got a few minutes for a favour?
[05:06] <jbicha> sure
[05:06] <desrt> specifically: can you grab the icu source from quantal, apply https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118048821/icu-pkg-config.diff, bump the version, add an appropriate log message and upload it to the ppa?
[05:06] <desrt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icu/+bug/1037588 is the bug reference...
[05:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1037588 in icu (Ubuntu Quantal) "Provide pkg-config pc files" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[05:07] <desrt> it's not a new vendor patch... just a packaging fix...
[05:08] <jbicha> I can't remember hearing of icu before :)
[05:08] <desrt> it's a pretty widely used unicode support library
[05:08] <desrt> jhbuild has been complaining about the missing .pc for ages
[05:09] <desrt> but it's been safe to ignore
[05:09] <desrt> except now harfbuzz is broken
[05:09] <jbicha> oh a one-liner, those are the best :)
[05:09] <desrt> someone just forgot the .pc files in the -dev.install
[05:10] <desrt> probably because it didn't used to have them and then when upstream added them we didn't update the packaging properly
[05:24] <jbicha> desrt: uploaded and building now
[05:27] <bizhan_> HI
[05:28] <bizhan_> I am trying to install 32 bit 12.04 LTS on my HP mini, and during installation I got the following error: "Executing 'grub-install/dev/sdb' failed. What more I can to fix this issue? Thx
[05:30] <desrt> jbicha: great.  thanks.
[05:30] <desrt> jbicha: icu is a bit of a beast so it should be done by tomorrow morning :p
[05:30] <jbicha> desrt: any idea why I can't jhbuild gtk? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1578983/
[05:31] <desrt> jbicha: probably got deprecated.  pick option 6
[05:37] <jbicha> I wonder if option 8 would have worked, only 25% downloaded so far :(
[05:37] <bochecha_> jbicha: usually you can do something like "git clean -fdx"
[05:38] <bochecha_> it resets everything to the same stage you'd be right after a clone (i.e drop all changes, remove all untracked files, etc..)
[05:50] <jbicha> cool that worked
[06:10] <pitti> Good morning
[06:10] <pitti> argh, I lost my workspaces today! what changed?
[06:11] <pitti> org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences num-workspaces 4
[06:12] <jbicha> pitti: they finally "fixed" bug 868423
[06:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868423 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - Workspace switcher should not be in the Launcher by default" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868423
[06:13] <pitti> jbicha: well, I don't care whether or not it's in the launcher
[06:13] <pitti> I care about having them and being able to switch between them
[06:14] <pitti> so downgrading compiz should help?
[06:14] <micahg> wow, I would think removing them on upgrade is a regression...
[06:14] <jbicha> pitti: did you check System Setttings>Appearance>Behavior ?
[06:15] <jbicha> micahg: I don't know, it's a new default
[06:15] <pitti> jbicha: ah, thanks; that's off indeed
[06:15] <pitti> but there are my gsettings that it should be on
[06:16] <pitti> jbicha: *phew*, thank you
[06:38] <mitya57> micahg: that bug explicitly says "both on fresh installs and upgrades"...
[06:42]  * mitya57 thinks it's still a bug that it doesn't honor gsettings
[06:43] <mitya57> and that it's impossible to have workspaces but not have useless launcher item
[06:45] <pitti> yeah, I'd rather they didn't touch gsettings and just removed that icon
[06:46] <pitti> it already got crippled down to "not usable" a long time ago, so we can just as well drop it
[09:00] <Laney> hey
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, hey desktopers
[09:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:07] <Laney> good weekend?
[09:08] <seb128> excellent, thanks
[09:08] <seb128> yours?
[09:08] <Laney> was my birthday ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> so yeah!
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, oh, happy birthday! did you organize a party or something? ;-)
[09:10] <Laney> a few of us went to the pub
[09:21] <xnox> desrt: I originally asked for pkg-config files in icu upstream in the first place & was helping them to split and get them right.
[09:23] <xnox> and well one can patch a gnome module in jhbuild to not use pkg-config and instead use the old-style icu-config.
[09:23] <czajkowski> Laney: lose any jumpers :)
[09:24] <Laney> my girlfriend knitted me a hat for my birthday
[09:24] <Laney> it has a little loop so that I can tie it to my coat
[09:24] <Laney> for loss prevention ... :(
[09:24] <czajkowski> Laney: awwww
[09:24] <czajkowski> she knows you so well
[09:25] <czajkowski> :)
[09:25] <xnox> desrt: I'd rather see pointers to which gnome pieces rely on pkg-config for icu and re-add fallback to use icu-config as they have been for many years.
[09:25]  * xnox even will write a patch.
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: do you know the component du jour that is drawing the background? unity, g-s-d background plugin, nautilus?
[09:31] <ogra_> pitti, g-s-d iirc
[09:31] <ogra_> unless you have icons on the desktop, then nautilus takes over
[09:31] <pitti> I thought thatw as some kind of fallback, if unity/shell/nautilus don't draw it
[09:31] <ogra_> (at least thats what was explained to me at UDS)
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:36] <mitya57> fwiw, the nautilus code is being removed in gnome bug 686549
[09:36] <ubot2> Gnome bug 686549 in background "background: remove code that deals with nautilus drawing the desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686549
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> does the g-s-d fallback for drawing wallpaper even work anymore? if i kill nautilus, i get a blank desktop
[09:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, not here; I still get my wallpaper when killing nautilus, but I don't think that's a valid method to determine what drew it in the first place
[09:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[09:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: nautilus renders the background for us
[09:41] <seb128> g-s-d has code to do it as well, but I don't think it picks that up dynamically
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: so Unity doesn't do it?
[09:42] <seb128> it checks when starting if nautilus is doing it (where "doing it" might be reading the nautilus gsettings key)
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, no
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, we had discussion about moving that to unity though, it would probably make sense there...
[09:46] <seb128> pitti, quick ubuntukylin-default-settings' question for you, the template command added a ubiquity-slideshow directory (which is not covered by the manpage) ... are those slides added to the normal ubuntu set or do they replace it?
[09:48] <xnox> seb128: hmmm.... there was a good blog post explaining how slideshow customization works (it was changed in quantal cycle)
[09:49] <seb128> xnox, I'm reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-defaults-builder/+bug/1035806
[09:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035806 in ubuntu-defaults-builder (Ubuntu) "Please support customization of ubiquity-slideshow through defaults builder" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:49] <xnox> as far as I recall correctly it replaces them...... (ubiquity depends on a package that provides ubiquity-slideshow)
[09:50] <seb128> xnox, http://www.dylanmccall.com/blog/ I guess?
[09:50] <xnox> seb128: ah yeah, extras works now. And it's an overlay. E.g. you can just drop translations or localised screenshots, or complete slides.
[09:50] <xnox> seb128: yes, that blog!
[09:50] <seb128> xnox, thanks ;-)
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: I didn't write that part; whoever did forgot to document it then
[09:51] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I just found who wrote it, and he did document it... on his blog
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: that ought to go into the manpage and test cases, though
[09:52] <seb128> xnox, ^ you are the one that merged that in
[09:53] <xnox> seb128: i merged the ubiquity bits as far as I can remember correctly.
[09:53] <xnox> seb128: dylan wrote it all =) so maybe he should make patches for manpages & test cases ;-)
[09:53] <seb128> xnox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-defaults-builder/+bug/1035806/comments/4 has your name on the ubuntu-defaults-builder  upload as well
[09:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035806 in ubuntu-defaults-builder (Ubuntu) "Please support customization of ubiquity-slideshow through defaults builder" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:54] <xnox> ok. I probably did all of them simultaniously as otherwise the next build of ubiquity would have been broken.
[10:21] <ogra_> hmpf
[10:21]  * ogra_ sees a new bug in 12.04 since that latest update of the desktop ...
[10:21] <ogra_> does anyone else have the panels around above the screensaver when locking ?
[10:21] <ogra_> (and the notification bubbles seem to be behind the panel as well)
[10:24] <popey> ogra_: I've seen that in the past, before this update
[10:24] <ogra_> funny, for me it started a few days ago
[10:24] <popey> can you back out the update (probably bamf?) and see if it behaves?
[10:26] <ogra_> yeah, not right now though, i need this machine today
[10:26] <ogra_> but i'll check bamf, it misbehaves anyway
[10:27] <ogra_> (firefox doesnt use its icon in the launcher but starts a new one with the question mark pic)
[10:28] <popey> ogra_: restarted since the update
[10:28] <popey> ?
[10:28] <ogra_> several times, yes
[10:28] <seb128> stacking issues...
[10:28] <ogra_> yep
[10:28] <Laney> hmm, pointer barrier problems again
[10:29] <ogra_> i seem to not be the only one
[10:29] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2013-January/267103.html
[10:29] <ogra_> lovely that the support ML suggests installing xscreensaver as the solution :P
[10:50] <xnox> popey: mhr3: I think I can port some lenses from python to vala, for speed & memory usage improvements. E.g. the photo lens?
[10:56] <davidcalle> xnox, IMHO that would be great, I was planning on doing it this cycle but I probably won't have the time. Also, API changes for scopes are about to land, you might want to wait for that.
[10:56] <mhr3> xnox, would be great, but we're changing the scope api, it'd be better to wait
[10:57] <xnox> I see.
[10:57] <xnox> Do we have any vala scopes already?
[10:58] <davidcalle> xnox, Files, Applications, Gwibber, Music (Rbox and Banshee scopes)
[10:58] <xnox> davidcalle: awesome, thanks.
[10:58] <xnox> davidcalle: mhr3: can I see / run the new-style API yet?
[11:02] <mhr3> xnox, nope, sorry
[11:23] <Laney> respect syntax highlighting; it could save your CPU some wasted work
[11:23]  * Laney grimaces
[11:54] <psivaa> seb128: just curious if bug 1105102 is being taken care of, the issue happens quite frequently and appears to affect a lot of users
[11:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1105102 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "dconf-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1105102
[12:06] <Laney> psivaa: Do you have an e.u.c page for that crash?
[12:11] <psivaa> Laney: i dont see for this crash, may be it's low down the order, but 30+ people have marked the bug as affecting
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel. do you need to enable anything so that https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/ picks up new builds?
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> i did some fixes last week which should hopefully fix the failures
[12:51] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey, it should have start with a new upload, I'll look into it. I launched the test manually
[12:51] <jibel> and it failed with E: Unable to locate package fonts-nanum-core
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> jibel, oh, i made a typo there :)
[13:11] <seb128> psivaa, isn't that fixed with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.35.4-0ubuntu5 ?
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> awesome, jo made me a pork and stuffing sandwich for lunch :)
[13:28] <rickspencer3> hey Sweetshark I notice my FF on raring is crashing as lot the last couple of days
[13:29] <ogra_> raring is in development ...
[13:29] <ogra_> (ooops, i'm not allowed to claim that anymore, right ?) :)
[13:30] <ogra_> rickspencer3, it works fine on my nexus7, you should just switch to a sane architecture ;)
[13:30] <ogra_> (it is dog slow though)
[13:30] <Laney> FF?
[13:30] <ogra_> yeah
[13:30] <Laney> also, I believe Sweetshark is away this week
[13:30] <Laney> but if you mean Firefox I'm not sure why you ping him
[13:30] <ogra_> i didnt, rick did
[13:31] <Laney> yep, different you
[13:31] <ogra_> heh
[13:31] <Laney> :P
[13:32]  * xnox ponders how did chrisccoulson got FF ppa to do adt, and yet upstart is not added yet (we also want to test our ppa)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> xnox, i asked jibel :)
[13:33] <Laney> do we need the goa recommends from g-c-c for Ubuntu?
[13:33] <seb128> rickspencer3, no Sweetshark for the next 10 days, he skiing
[13:33] <seb128> he's*
[13:33] <rickspencer3> seb128, hmm, ok
[13:33] <seb128> rickspencer3, did you mean LO?
[13:33] <rickspencer3> seb128, no, I meant FF
[13:33] <rickspencer3> so, err, not Sweetshark
[13:33] <seb128> rickspencer3, because FF is chrisccoulson's
[13:33] <rickspencer3> lol
[13:33]  * chrisccoulson hides
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> :)
[13:33] <rickspencer3> how soon they forget
[13:33] <Laney> heh
[13:33] <seb128> lol
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, have you got a crash ID? (about:crashes)
[13:34] <seb128> but he will likely blame it on the webapps team ;-)
[13:34] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, nah, I let the crash dialog do it's thing
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, yeah, if you let the crash dialog submit it, you should have an ID in about:crashes :)
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> (hopefully)
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> then i can go and find the report
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i don't blame everything on webapps ;)
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> some things i blame on compiz too
[13:35]  * ogra_ doesnt blame webapps ... but blames FF
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:36] <ogra_> scrolling in G+ on the nexus7 is nearly impossible
[13:36] <ogra_> with no webapp in use
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, i looked at some firefox memory leaks last week, and all of the biggest ones were of our own making
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> (ie, dbusmenu)
[13:36] <ogra_> well, it seems to be only on heavy javascript sites that it gets so slow
[13:37] <ogra_> gmail, G+ etc
[13:37] <ogra_> i can actually see it drawing triangles inside the page when scrolling
[13:37] <ogra_> on other sites that dont use javascript its breezingly fast
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> i can't see how javascript would have anything to do with painting when scrolling. it's likely just a coincidence, and that it's actually the layout of those sites trigger things that are slow
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> (eg, scrolling text over fixed backgrounds, etc)
[13:41] <ogra_> might be, i didnt dig deeper
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> but i don't use the gmail interface, and i've not been on G+ for months :)
[13:41] <ogra_> well, it is clearlyx two pages where you can easily see it on the nx7
[13:43] <xclaesse> When a running "make" in a folder shown by a GtkFileChooser (like opening file dialog in gedit), the app crash
[13:43] <xclaesse> it has been like that for months now
[13:43] <xclaesse> I can't find the bug in lp though, but I'm sure I reported it
[13:43] <xclaesse> it looks like to be ubuntu specific, can't reproduce on other distro
[13:44] <xclaesse> or am I the only one to suffer from that bug?
[13:45] <xclaesse> actually my bug report just had his 1year anniversary: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/920326
[13:45] <ubot2> xclaesse: Error: ubuntu bug 920326 not found
[13:45] <seb128> xclaesse, can you give us the bug id from the one you reported?
[13:46] <xclaesse> that one got closed invalid because back then I was using custom packages IIRC
[13:46] <xclaesse> but I sure there are others
[13:46] <seb128> xclaesse, is there any way you could get a stacktrace using gdb?
[13:46] <xclaesse> I still click report daily in apport for the same thing, but it does not seems to report anymore
[13:48] <xclaesse> seb128, http://pastebin.com/NVsGyc56
[13:48] <seb128> xclaesse, likely http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-3-6&id=fa3d04e556a704d3fada72254ff9f2b8e1d01946
[13:49] <xclaesse> seb128, sound like that, yes
[13:49] <seb128> xclaesse, which we got fixed upstream, the fix is in GTK 3.6.2 ... the issue is that quantal GTK is still 3.6.0 since they broke stuff in the stable updates
[13:49] <xclaesse> seb128, that commit is not in quantal's package?
[13:49] <seb128> no
[13:50] <seb128> they refactored all the css code between 3.6.0 and 3.6.1 so we couldn't update in a SRU
[13:50] <seb128> we should probably backport that specific fix though
[13:50] <seb128> well, the bug happens when the directory content change while the fileselector is open on it
[13:51] <seb128> which in practice for "normal users" is not that often
[13:51] <seb128> so we didn't get lot of requests for the backport
[13:51] <seb128> but your "run make" usecase will easily run into it
[13:55] <xclaesse> seb128, I can understand it won't happen to normal users
[13:55] <xclaesse> seb128, but as developer I hit it daily
[13:56] <xclaesse> seb128, if you can package that commit, I'll be happy to test it :)
[14:00] <seb128> xclaesse, yeah, I was not trying to dismiss the issue, it's just why it didn't raise high on our tracker
[14:00] <seb128> xclaesse, I will add it to my to-SRU-list
[14:00] <xclaesse> seb128, great, thanks :)
[14:00] <seb128> yw ;-)
[14:00] <xclaesse> seb128, I'm pretty sure it is somewhere in lp, but can't find it anymore :)
[14:01] <seb128> xclaesse, 851843
[14:01] <seb128> xclaesse, that's the bug we used to track the issue/closed in raring
[14:10] <cyphermox> good morning!
[14:10] <cyphermox> gah,
[14:11] <kenvandine> good morning cyphermox
[14:11] <cyphermox> kenvandine: good morning
[14:12] <cyphermox> Mimiko^_^: please fix your client!
[14:13] <cyphermox> seb128: do you have any special shiny channel access to fix his?
[14:16] <seb128> cyphermox, let's see if that works
[14:17] <cyphermox> that was basically my plan -- then we can drop the ban in an hour or so, assuming he'll have fixed it then
[14:22] <cyphermox> ogra_: so I'm reflashing my Nexus7 right now just to be very sure I got the lastest possible image, and I'll update immediately after -- but then I'll work on fixing the wakeups on tty, as well as bluetooth
[14:22] <cyphermox> eeep, there's pretty bad corruption in the background for the oem thingy
[14:26] <ogra_> cyphermox, blame xnox
[14:26] <ogra_> :P
[14:26] <cyphermox> really?
[14:26] <cyphermox> why?
[14:28] <xnox> cyphermox: our tiny little app in ubiquity call wallpaper doesn't paint the background as one would expect. compiz/unity don't paint wallpaper either. g-s-d does, but only if you set it's settings twice.
[14:28] <xnox> (and g-s-d is not running on !gnome derivatives)
[14:28] <cyphermox> pwahha
[14:29] <cyphermox> xnox: couldn't you paint it twice kind of like what g-s-d does?
[14:43] <xnox> cyphermox: hmm... I should look into g-s-d code.
[14:45] <seb128> g-s-d is supposed to display the wallpaper if nautilus is not
[14:46] <xnox> seb128: there is no nautilus, and the way ubiquity starts g-s-d it tries to show backgrounds of Adwaita.xml.
[14:46] <xnox> (that's for the ubiquity-only mode, not the try-ubuntu-session) the wallpaper is fine in the try-ubuntu-session.
[14:46] <seb128> xnox, hum, it should get the wallpaper to use from gsettings...
[14:47] <xnox> seb128: well that's the gsettings that are available in that session....
[14:47]  * xnox will give another try setting those keys before & after launching g-s-d and see if it improves.
[14:48] <seb128> xnox, isn't ubuntu-settings installed?
[14:48] <seb128> 10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override has
[14:48] <seb128> "[org.gnome.desktop.background]
[14:48] <seb128> show-desktop-icons=true
[14:48] <seb128> picture-uri='file:///usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png'
[14:48] <seb128> "
[14:48] <ogra_> is that from casper ?
[14:48] <ogra_> of from ubiquity itself
[14:49] <ogra_> (note the preinstalled images dont have casper)
[14:49] <xnox> ogra_: well, non-overwridden uri is in dekstop images (so from casper), I didn't check preinstalled image.
[14:50] <xnox> seb128: something is not getting loaded right, because I also have to manually set overlay-scrollbars module to be loaded.
[14:50] <desrt> xnox: i think it's appropriate for upstream to use pkg-config if the version they require has pkg-config files, upstream
[14:52] <desrt> xnox: although if we are nervous to SRU a fix (which i understand) then having an icu-config check could be nice
[14:52] <xnox> desrt: sure. i also think it's unwise to change api in an sru (e.g. it makes icu-*.pc files not available in release & security, but available in updates and/or backports) or diverge from debian on this.
[14:52] <xnox> the three wishes are incompatible with each other =/
[14:52] <desrt> xnox: i think having the package backported in the desktop team PPA (as jbicha did last night) is a good compromise
[14:52] <xnox> desrt: which packages / jhbuild modules break?
[14:52] <desrt> xnox: it's complicated... webkit depends on the icu support of harfbuzz
[14:53] <desrt> but if you don't have the icu .pc, then harfbuzz configures itself without icu support
[14:53] <desrt> then webkit breaks later
[14:53] <xnox> desrt: yeah, PPA upload would be good, since those who need it can find/enable it, and there is no hidden stones. Cause adding a ppa is an explicit action.
[14:53] <xnox> hmm...
[14:53] <xnox> let me look at harfbuzz.
[14:54] <desrt> i think we could fix it to require icu
[14:54] <desrt> at least it would fail sooner that way
[14:54] <desrt> in the middle of a webkit build is an annoying spot to fail :(
[14:54] <xnox> true.
[14:54] <ogra_> only on arm
[14:54] <ogra_> :P
[14:55]  * xnox is surprised to hear HarfBuzz for the first time. But it sounds like it was a good flamewar that I missed leading to a fork.
[14:56] <desrt> no.  not at all like that.
[14:56] <desrt> it was written by the maintainer of pango
[14:56] <desrt> to replace half of pango....
[14:57] <xnox> sounds like a very good maintainer ;-)
[15:14] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: intel upstream would like us to drop server_side_gradients.patch from cairo since "majority of drivers (!nouveau, !radeon) accelerate them"
[15:15] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: oh and cairo upstream as well
[15:20] <seb128> tjaalton, what would be the performance impact for radeon/nouveau?
[15:20] <tjaalton> seb128: I don't know
[15:21] <seb128> tjaalton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/595845/comments/16
[15:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 595845 in cairo (Ubuntu) "libcairo2 1.9.10 makes Ubuntu 10.10 slow" [Medium,Fix released]
[15:21] <seb128> tjaalton, can you get that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/595845/+attachment/1470628/+files/lala.py run on a nouveau and a radeon card with and without that patch?
[15:22] <seb128> the numbers from mvo by then:
[15:22] <seb128> " It takes 1.4s to run on my ati card on maverick and up to 3s on my nvidia card (with nouveau)."
[15:22] <seb128> which seems 10 times slower than the unpatched version
[15:24] <tjaalton> seb128: oh that's the origin, missed the "remaining changes" part..
[15:25] <Laney> hmm
[15:26] <Laney> now why isn't nvidia loading? & unity/nouveau doesn't start
[15:26] <seb128> tjaalton, we might want to make that patch smarter and toggle settings depending of the driver
[15:26] <tjaalton> seb128: if possible, yes
[15:26] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1582244/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1582245/
[15:27] <seb128> tjaalton, patches are welcome... ;-)
[15:27] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: nevermind, it wasn't a new patch..
[15:27] <tjaalton> as always :)
[15:28] <Laney> mlankhorst: ↑ any ideas perchance?
[15:28] <Laney> it just started after a reboot this afternoon — I think I autoremoved some kernels earlier in the day
[15:29] <mlankhorst> Laney: messed around with binary drivers?
[15:29] <Laney> not manually
[15:29] <mlankhorst> [    10.445] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[15:29] <mlankhorst> [    10.445] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[15:29] <mlankhorst> [    10.445] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[15:29] <mlankhorst> [    10.445] (II) Unloading nvidia
[15:30] <Laney> grep -i nvidia /var/log/syslog or dmesg doesn't show anything
[15:30] <mlankhorst> what happens if you modprobe nvidia?
[15:30] <Laney> compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow).
[15:30] <Laney> compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: opengl
[15:30] <Laney> is tahat normal?
[15:30] <Laney> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[15:31] <Laney> module nvidia not found
[15:31] <mlankhorst> you have nvidia drivers but nvidia failed to load, I'm guessing you're on vesa probably
[15:31] <Laney> it got nouveau according to Xorg.0.log
[15:32] <mlankhorst> remove nvidia drivers then, it's probably using nvidia opengl
[15:32] <Laney> concerning that it stopped working though
[15:34] <mlankhorst> yeah sounds like something messed up there :/
[15:34] <tjaalton> the nvidia module didn't get built for your kernel
[15:34] <tjaalton> probably because of missing headers
[15:34] <tjaalton> or such
[15:34] <tjaalton> check the dkms lgo
[15:34] <tjaalton> log
[15:35] <Laney> I just dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current and it seems to have built fine
[15:35] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1582320/
[15:36] <Laney> still modprobe fails though
[15:36] <mlankhorst> do we rename the nvidia module?
[15:37] <ricotz> mlankhorst, yes
[15:37] <ricotz> either nvidia_current or nvidia_304 in this case
[15:38] <Laney> ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': No such device
[15:38] <mlankhorst> Laney: nouveau is already loaded, need to reboot probably :/
[15:38] <ricotz> Laney, you should use nvidia-304
[15:38] <Laney> unload nouveau
[15:38] <Laney> aha
[15:38] <ricotz> the package i mean (if you want nvidia blob)
[15:38] <Laney> what's the difference?
[15:38] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304
[15:39] <ricotz> Laney, you are using an older version
[15:39] <ricotz> nvidia-current-304.43
[15:39] <tjaalton> seb128: right now it's intel & nvidia users who suffer from the same sort of performance drop, so the options could be to detect the dri2 driver being used, or add support in X for exposing the driver name for a screen..
[15:39] <Laney> isn't current the recommended one?
[15:40] <ricotz> Laney, not anymore, after the new packages in raring-proposed
[15:40] <tjaalton> right, it's nvidia-310
[15:40] <Laney> still fails to load after a reboot
[15:40] <ricotz> Laney, your current package isnt suppose to work with kernel 3.8
[15:41] <tjaalton> indeed
[15:41] <Laney> shouldn't that be expressed in packaging?
[15:41] <ricotz> Laney, if you are a gefore8 or higher use the nvidia-310 package
[15:41] <ricotz> are/have
[15:42] <ricotz> Laney, the 304 proposed package has transitioning packages
[15:42] <Laney> would jockey have installed nvidia-current for me or do you think I did that manually?
[15:42] <Laney> let me try 310
[15:43] <Laney> looks promising - plymouth text frontend is a sign of nvidia (and no kms)
[15:43] <Laney> works
[15:44] <ricotz> good
[15:44] <tjaalton> why are the drivers still in proposed?
[15:44] <Laney> so why hasn't that transitioned for 11 days?
[15:44] <Laney> trying: nvidia-graphics-drivers-304
[15:44] <Laney> skipped: nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (18 <- 9) got: 103+0: i-103 * i386: nvidia-current
[15:44] <Laney> you need to get that removed if it's supposed to go away
[15:46] <Laney> the transitional package should be Section: oldlibs btw so that apt-get autoremove can remove it
[15:46] <ricotz> tseliot, ^
[15:47] <tseliot> ricotz: I need to ask the archive admins again
[15:47] <Laney> tseliot: if you want it removed then file a removal bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[15:48] <tseliot> Laney: ok, thanks
[15:48] <Laney> np
[15:48] <Laney> it won't move to the release until this happens
[15:48] <Laney> which seems fairly urgent if it breaks on new kernels
[15:49] <Laney> Actually perhaps it's not really a transitional package if it's always supposed to pull in the newest driver?
[15:49] <xnox> desrt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1582422/ finds and compiles with icu.
[15:50] <xnox> desrt: and that patch should be trivial to add to jhbuild module set, or you can push it upstream if you like.
[15:50] <xnox> desrt: tested on quantal, works like a charm.
[15:52] <desrt> xnox: would need to talk to behdad
[15:52] <desrt> xnox: but it's more complicated than that... the jhbuild sysdep checks are based on pkgconfig files
[15:52] <desrt> so you'd need to patch jhbuild as well
[15:52] <xnox> desrt: ok.
[15:52] <desrt> then maybe other modules too -- harfbuzz is only the first that failed
[15:52] <xnox> true.
[15:52] <xnox> desrt: why are you building on quantal instead of raring though?
[15:53] <xnox> raring is stable enough to build jhbuild.
[15:53] <desrt> because we support jhbuild on the latest stable ubuntu release
[15:53] <desrt> someone has to be testing that :)
[15:53] <xnox> oh, ok.
[15:54] <xnox> infinity: what do you think about SRUing pkg-config files for icu, just to please jhbuild users on Quantal?
[15:56] <xnox> desrt: harfbuzz is like brand new (only in raring), I am expecting other established softwares that come pre-icu-having-pkg-config to know how to use icu-config.
[15:56] <xnox> unless somebody went and killed all of those configure.ac parts everywhere.
[15:57] <xnox> desrt: if you have jhbuild src dir unpacked, can you grep "icu-uc" (means uses pkg-config) vs "icu-config" (uses legacy config)
[15:57] <xnox> to check the scope of impact.
[15:58] <infinity> xnox: Context?
[15:58] <xnox> jhbuild didn't used to check system pkg-config, but I may be out of date with jhbuild.
[15:59] <xnox> infinity: icu historically didn't ship pkg-config files, now it does, we dropped the ball and forgot to add them to debian/libicu-dev.install in quantal. Now jhbuild, builds $GNOME from git and fails to build webkit on quantal, because packages in the chain started to rely on icu-*.pc being shipped.
[15:59] <xnox> (since hay-ho, the icu $MINVER upstream does ship them)
[16:00] <infinity> xnox: So, it's in the quantal source package, just not shipped in the binaries?
[16:00] <xnox> yes.
[16:00] <infinity> Yeah, that seems like a reasonable thing to SRU for, if you file a decent bug and explain how it's not going to break any rdeps that suddenly find a .pc where there wasn't one before.
[16:01] <xnox> ack.
[16:01] <infinity> tseliot: Are we getting rid of nvidia-current*?
[16:02] <tseliot> infinity: yes, in raring, I already have transitional packages in place
[16:02] <Laney> seb128: WDYT about swapping goa recommends from g-c-c to the gnome remix seeds?  Others will have to install nvidia-310
[16:03] <tseliot> infinity: and we also have their -updates flavours
[16:03] <Laney> What happens when -304 goes away?
[16:04] <infinity> tseliot: What I mean is, if there's not longer a non-versioned current package, how do people continue to stay, well, current?
[16:04] <infinity> s/not/no/
[16:06] <tseliot> infinity: well, "current" doesn't mean much anyway. We decided to switch to versioned names before UDS IIRC
[16:07] <infinity> tseliot: Okay.  But did that decision have a plan for keeping people up to date?
[16:08] <tseliot> infinity: I think the policy is: upgrade users to releases that do not drop hardware support as much as possible. And this is not easy to do
[16:08] <infinity> tseliot: But without an unversioned package, how do you proposed to enact this policy?
[16:09] <tseliot> infinity: we have transitional packages
[16:09] <infinity> tseliot: You get what I'm driving at, right?  If we installed "linux-image-3.8.0" on your machine, but not "linux-image", you'd never get a new kernel.  Same story with these drivers.
[16:09] <infinity> tseliot: Obviously your transitional packages aren't called "nvidia-current", or this migration would have happened without my intervention. :P
[16:10] <tseliot> infinity: if you have nvidia-current installed, you'll get nvidia-304
[16:10] <tseliot> infinity: yes, they are
[16:10] <tseliot> infinity: or they never got in?
[16:12] <infinity> Oh, hrm.  I see what's happened.  Kay.  Previous conversation led me to believe you'd dropped that package.
[16:14] <tseliot> infinity: no. I was just talking about removing an experimental driver flavour
[16:14] <tseliot> Laney: when nvidia-304 goes away, there's nouveau
[16:15] <ricotz> tseliot, while 310 and 313 caught up with x 1.14, do you if 304 will get some "final" update too?
[16:15] <jbicha> seb128: chrisccoulson: joss said last week in #debian-gnome that there's some sort of plan for a gnome-settings-daemon-fallback maintained on git.gnome.org to contain all the "extra" pieces GNOME dropped this cycle
[16:16] <Laney> So I wouldn't want to upgrade to, say, the next nvidia-3xx?
[16:16] <tseliot> Laney: well, if your card is still supported, then yes
[16:16] <tseliot> ricotz: is there a new release of 304?
[16:17] <Laney> Yeah. That's what I'm getting at - ensuring this migration happens.
[16:17] <ricotz> tseliot, oop, i meant "do you know if ..."
[16:17] <infinity> tseliot: Oh, hah.  It would help if your packages weren't internally inconsistent.
[16:17] <infinity> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:17] <infinity>  nvidia-304 : Conflicts: nvidia-current
[16:17] <infinity> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:18] <infinity> tseliot: That's going to need to be a versioned conflict, to keep conflicting against the old one, but not the new one.
[16:18] <tseliot> infinity: err... right, I'll fix that
[16:18] <infinity> tseliot: ie: (<< 304.64-0ubuntu4)
[16:18] <infinity> Or whatever.
[16:19] <tseliot> infinity: right
[16:19] <infinity> tseliot: Pro tip, if update_output is whining that your package can't be installed with other packages.  Hit a chroot, enable proposed, and "apt-get install your_package your_package broken_package broken_package" and see what happens.
[16:20]  * tseliot nods
[16:41] <dobey> ugh. pygtkcompat doesn't make porting easier. it just makes breaking obvious.
[16:43] <dobey> and is making my life hell right now
[16:44] <seb128> Laney, yeah, if we can run without goa it would be good, I was considering building e-d-s without it but I guess the GNOME remix wouldn't like that
[16:44] <seb128> ideally e-d-s shouldn't spaw a goa running for ever if there are not account configured
[16:45] <seb128> jbicha, right for g-s-d ... what did they drop this cycle?
[16:50] <Laney> I'm running with goa removed now and stuff seems to work
[16:50] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, in online accounts, when I first turn on empathy, I get facebook requires authorisation, but facebook connects and show no issues
[16:50] <Laney> I'll upload it
[16:54] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i haven't seen that, please file a bug
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, OK will do
[17:05] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thx
[17:08] <jbicha> seb128: the power plugin is pretty broken without systemd (auto-suspend doesn't work, I think the suspend media-key is broken) and some issues with the fallback status icons (like keyboard)
[17:08] <jbicha> it's going to be a lot more work to get gnome-control-center to support external panels
[17:11] <jbicha> I guess g-s-d itself shouldn't be too bad for Ubuntu as the 2 issues I mentioned are already known and will be taken care of
[17:11] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, let's see for g-c-c
[17:11] <seb128> we might just stay on the current version until the LTS if really needed and then figure out what to do
[17:12] <seb128> likely renaming it u-c-c so g-c-c can be updated
[17:12] <seb128> having both conflicting
[17:12] <seb128> which means you will have to pick GNOME or Unity as a desktop but can't have both selectable
[17:12] <seb128> but we are heading there anyway
[17:12] <seb128> so..
[17:12] <jbicha> seb128: yeah gnome shell 3.8 needs the new g-c-c to work optimally
[17:12] <seb128> ...
[17:15] <jbicha> the new sharing & privacy panels are pretty cool but it's a different approach than Unity's Privacy panel design
[17:40] <psivaa> seb128: the crash on bug 1105102 occurs even with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.35.4-0ubuntu5 installed. Occurs with today's images (during live session and after the installation)
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1105102 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "dconf-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1105102
[17:40] <seb128> desrt, ^
[18:01] <Laney> uploading g-c-c without the recommends
[18:02] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[18:33] <desrt> seb128: neat!!
[18:33] <desrt> new dconf be buggy :)
[18:33] <seb128> desrt, know how to keep busy in the plane ;-)
[18:33] <desrt> it'll give me something to look at on the plane
[18:33] <desrt> :)
[18:33] <desrt> flight is delayed :(
[18:34] <seb128> oh?
[18:34] <desrt> not long... just like an hour
[18:34] <desrt> snow
[18:34] <desrt> sure glad i arrive domestic in the US
[18:34] <desrt> otherwise it would be a pretty tight connection
[18:44] <desrt> seb128: can i get a trace?
[18:45] <seb128> desrt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/129495621/Stacktrace.txt
[18:46] <seb128> desrt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/+bug/1105440
[18:46] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1105440 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "dconf-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_trusted()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:46] <seb128> desrt, tj
[18:46] <desrt> hmm
[18:46] <desrt> i bet it gets a critical before it gets that far
[18:46] <seb128> desrt, the retracers marked it dup from that one, I will set the tag so it gets a new stacktrace with the next report
[18:47] <czajkowski> Laney: you in this week ?
[18:47] <desrt> seb128: i think i understand the bug
[18:48] <desrt> i love this:
[18:48] <desrt> #3  0x00007fa6b48095b7 in g_variant_new_va (format_string=0x40b5dc "s)", endptr=0x0, app=0x7fffba5c7708) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.35.4/./glib/gvariant.c:4702 value = <optimized out>
[18:48] <desrt> format_string being pass-by-reference gets the pointer moved along so you find out about exactly which part of the format string it was trying to deal with when it crashed
[18:48] <desrt> gdb win
[18:48] <desrt> anyway... that's the tag field of a notification... i bet it's just NULL in some cases, should be an easy enough fix
[18:49] <desrt> seb128: can you upstream me a bug?  this is definitley a separate issue, fwiw
[18:49] <seb128> desrt, ok, glib or dconf report?
[18:50] <desrt> would be dconf
[18:50] <desrt> service...
[18:50] <desrt> robru: hey... i'm on your flight to london
[18:51] <robru> desrt, sweeeet
[18:51] <robru> desrt, attente as well?
[18:51] <desrt> i think so
[18:51] <robru> partay!
[19:00] <desrt> jasoncwarner: i'm just gonna leave this here.... http://www.timeout.com/london/restaurants/hawksmoor-seven-dials
[19:01] <achiang> kenvandine: did you upload the xchat-indicator SRU to precise-proposed?
[19:08] <kenvandine> achiang, i did
[19:08] <achiang> kenvandine: i can't find it in LP, can you hook me up?
[19:09] <kenvandine> achiang, it's still in the unapproved queue
[19:09] <achiang> kenvandine: ah, i see
[19:09] <kenvandine> need someone from ubuntu-sru to do their thing
[19:10] <achiang> yup, and i think they're fairly busy atm
[20:03] <robru> hey desktoppers, what's going on here? http://ubuntuone.com/50XWtoHgAIFXocRqJTkjP6 trying to install latest raring image onto my n7, first of all the background is messed up like that, secondly onboard stopped working right at that point and wouldn't let me input any further than what you see there.
[20:07] <notgary> Once upon a time I heard tell of a plan to make checking out and building the entire Unity stack a one-command operation. Has anything come of that?
[20:08] <seb128> robru, the background issue is known and is an ubiquity/livecd issue (it was discussed earlier today), not sure about the onboard one...
[20:09] <seb128> notgary, some people adapted jhbuild for the unity stack, not sure what's the current state
[20:09] <robru> seb128, actually, hooking up a keyboard didn't allow me to type into ubiquity either, so most likely ubiquity has stopped accepting kb input, regardless of source (so most likely onboard is fine)
[20:09] <seb128> notgary, they also got a daily ppa and daily landing in ubuntu, which should reduce the need for a stack build
[20:09] <seb128> robru, ok, can you switch to a vt and type there?
[20:11] <notgary> seb128: Is this what you're talking about? https://launchpad.net/unity-jhbuild
[20:11] <notgary> It doesn't seem to have been updated since the middle of November
[20:12] <seb128> notgary, yes, try asking in #ubuntu-unity though...
[20:12] <notgary> seb128: Will do, thanks for the pointers :)
[20:13] <robru> seb128, oh, good idea. hang on...
[20:14] <seb128> notgary, yw ;-)
[20:15] <robru> seb128, Ctrl+Alt+F1 just makes the screen go blank. doesn't show me a VT at all (and doesn't echo any of my typing back at me either). but F7 does bring ubiquity back...
[20:17] <seb128> hum, reading you say that I think there is a driver bug that makes the vt not being displayed as it should...
[20:20] <robru> seb128, seems I'm finding lots of bugs today ;-)
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> hey rickspencer3, you around?
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> any luck with that crash ID? :)
[21:10] <bizhanMona> HI I have observed a strange behavior, when I install ubuntu on any of my system later on if I want to install RHEL/Fedora after successful installation I get grub failure, and system stops at grub rescue prompt,not sure why? Thx
[21:19] <dobey> bizhanMona: #ubuntu is the channel to ask for help in
[21:21] <bizhanMona> dobey: Thanks I did that now.
[21:26] <attente> desrt: ping
[21:49] <desrt> attente: pong
[21:50] <attente> desrt: so inkscape generates its menu items by explicitly sticking GtkLabels in their GtkImageMenuItems
[21:51] <desrt> nice....
[21:51] <desrt> remember i told you you'd find weird programs doing weird things? :)
[21:51]  * attente cries
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> that's awesome
[23:31] <robru> any vala experts around?


[00:07] <AndrzejL> Hey guys and girls
[00:08] <AndrzejL> First of all - I wanted to congratulate on a GREAT looking and behaving distro...
[00:08] <AndrzejL> I usually despise ewbunty but...  I've found some outdated info about it but nothing relevant
[02:32] <fail2pirate> Hello guys
[02:36] <fail2pirate> does anyone talk in here
[03:22] <m4t> no
[03:41] <AndrzejL> heh fail2pirate...
[03:41] <AndrzejL> ;)
[03:42] <AndrzejL> ok need to reconfigure some options bbiaw
[03:45] <AndrzejL> Now... Autojoin / window position sorted... ;)
[07:47] <ItsMeLenny> i have installed mate ontop of ubuntu 17.10, and the wacom settings were there under unity, but i can no longer get to them under mate, does anybody else have this problem in mate itself?
[07:49] <ItsMeLenny> or can anyone check if they have a wacom config if they are running 17.10
[08:00] <diogenes_> run: ls /usr/bin | grep wac
[08:01] <ItsMeLenny> diogenes_, libwacom-list-local-devices, xsetwacom
[08:01] <ItsMeLenny> but neither for those are a gui thing
[08:02] <diogenes_> then look in synaptc
[08:02] <ItsMeLenny> i did, theres no program
[08:02] <ItsMeLenny> but ubuntu has one and it was there and worked when running in unity
[08:02] <ItsMeLenny> and ubuntu mate other versions have them
[08:02] <ItsMeLenny> are you on mate 17.10?
[08:03] <diogenes_> nope
[08:03] <ItsMeLenny> which version are you on and is there a wacom thing in the settings?
[08:04] <diogenes_> I'm not on mate
[08:04] <ItsMeLenny> lol
[08:05] <diogenes_> are you the guy from don't call me lenny?
[12:57] <manuelquaranta> hi
[13:03] <AndrzejL> manuelquaranta: afternoon
[14:49] <AndrzejL> Question. Smtube - each time I open it I get the About this release pop up. I am on 17.10. System fully upgraded few hours ago.
[14:49] <AndrzejL> How do I get rid of it?
[19:31] <alamin> hlw...
[19:31] <alamin> can't update apt .... help me
[19:31] <Akuli> share errors with e.g. dpaste.com
[19:32] <alamin> ok..
[19:50] <Akuli> lol
[20:44] <fandango_> 021321kòlkòl
[20:44] <fandango_> .,-.,,


[03:30] <Pezhedz> hello edubuntu community
[03:31] <Damianos> Hello Pezheds
[03:31] <Pezhedz> is anyone gracious enough to help step me through troubleshooting my wireless setup?
[03:31] <Pezhedz> I've searched and searched and tried everything with no success on the forums. :(
[03:31] <Damianos> I'll try
[03:32] <Pezhedz> yay!  Thank you!
[03:32] <Damianos> what exactly is the problem?
[03:32] <Pezhedz> I have an hpDV2700 Broadcom 4311
[03:33] <Pezhedz> and have not had the wireless card recognized.
[03:33] <Damianos> so it's not showing up in network manager?
[03:33] <Pezhedz> no
[03:34] <Damianos> what about if you do a  ifconfig?
[03:34] <Pezhedz> iwconfig only displays lo and eth0
[03:35] <Pezhedz> same with ifconfig (with additional info)
[03:39] <Damianos> don't know what else to do...the only time I've ever had a NIC not detected was when I first started tinkering with Linux and a reinstall fixed it
[03:39] <Damianos> sorry I couldn't be of help
[03:40] <Damianos> I wonder if manually adding it to /etc/network/interfaces would do anything
[03:40] <Pezhedz> no worries. i figured I'd try the IRC channels to see if anyone ran into the same sort of trouble
[03:40] <Pezhedz> how do I do that?
[03:41] <Pezhedz> (manually add it to /etc/network/interfaces ?)
[03:41] <Damianos> well before network manager came onto the scene network interfaces used to be configured using the file /etc/network/interfaces
[03:42] <Damianos> it should be commented with instructions on how to add an interface
[03:44] <Pezhedz> ah ok
[03:44] <Pezhedz> I think i stumbled upon that. I'll look at that again.
[03:44] <Pezhedz> thanks for your time, Damianos.
[03:47] <Damianos> lspci
[03:47] <Damianos> dammit he left
[21:56] <jbicha> hi, I have a merge proposal for bug 692295, am I going to need a FFE too?


[13:06] <youngbin_> Wrote the longer one :) https://blog.ubuntu-kr.org/en/2023/04/23/fossasia-2023-recap/


[02:16] <jose> daker: ping
[11:03] <daker> jose: pong
[13:54] <jose> daker: hey, the team ~ubuntu-greek-users was renamed to ~ubuntu-gr and the data from ~ubuntu-greek-users was not merged, but disappeared. know what may be happening?
[13:55] <daker> jose: i'll check that tonight
[13:55] <jose> daker: cool, thanks :)


[00:56] <wxl> guiverc: you might see me go through some old bugs in lubuntu-meta. don't sweat it
[00:59] <wxl> guiverc: if you're bored, go look for old ones that aren't relevant anymore!
[00:59] <guiverc> i'd just started looking for 'easy' ones (which would include old!)
[01:00] <wxl> i'd sort by number and start with the oldest ones. those should be WAY easy
[01:05] <teward> "This is no longer valid.  [close]"  :P
[01:07] <guiverc> no idea how to 'sort'; i'm crap with browsers; but i've already invalidated some, mostly though incomplete (old untouched bug message)
[01:08] <wxl> let me get you what you need
[01:09] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bugs?orderby=id&start=0
[01:09] <wxl> hahahahah Lubuntu - ICQ for Linux does not work
[01:09] <kc2bez> "UhOh" LoL
[01:10] <kc2bez> I last used ICQ 20 years ago :D
[01:10] <kc2bez> Still remember the notification sound.
[01:11] <guiverc> THANK YOU wxl !
[01:11] <wxl> np :)
[01:11] <wxl> thanks for the help
[01:11] <wxl> anyone else that wants to jump in feel free
[01:11] <wxl> btw i have a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally easy sru if someone wants to do it
[01:15] <wxl> here 'tis https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1812594
[01:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[01:18] <guiverc> wxl i'm not touching any i've queries about, eg. wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/726007 should probably be incomplete & please re-test on supported .. but i've skipped
[01:20] <wxl> won't fixed it :)
[01:21] <guiverc> i can look at reaaaaaa.. later if not grabbed.... i'm best at single things (can't juggle, not even two balls)
 "wishlist" is easy to won'tfix 😔
 question, is it possible to use kio-gdrive in lubuntu?
 what would it need?
[01:24] <wxl> @HMollerCl dunno. i'd try installing it!
 I installed it
 but couldn't make it run
 https://community.kde.org/KIO_GDrive
 kioclient5 exec gdrive:/
 gave me an error file not found /
[01:25] <wxl> what about just gdrive: ?
 it's not in ubuntu repo, I was searching for soemthing that was
[01:27] <wxl> no i mean `kioclient5 exec grive:`
 then the error was the same but without /
[01:29] <wxl> yeah i don't know. maybe track down support from them
[01:29] <wxl> what about in the network section of pcmanfm?
 didn't appear
 only "windows network"
[01:30] <guiverc> Lubuntu doesn't support PPC anymore do we?
[01:30] <wxl> nope
[01:31] <guiverc> thanks wxl, just foudn 4x ppc bugs..
[01:31] <wxl> woohoo!
 This is awfull... https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/intent-to-provide-chromium-as-a-snap-only/5987
 @HMollerCl this has been on the radar for a while now
 it's what blocked httpd for a few days
[02:04] <wxl> what? how? why?
 @wxl23 wxl: should read it
 in short:
 easier to update the snap than push repo packages with SRU, etc.
[02:05] <wxl> oh i get that, but i'm wondering about why it blocked httpd
 unrelated, i'm hungry back later
 oh
 wxl: that's because kopano-webapp relies on chromium and selenium for its tests
 kopano-webapp triggers its tests for any package providing httpd
 so APache, Lighttpd, NGINX were all impacted
[02:06] <wxl> jeez
 but we got the test badtested while it was dug into
 thank you for me being a persistent SOB 😛
 was how the chromium snap and stuff handled things different from packaged
 and isolation and stuff with snap isolations
 wxl: so it wasn't a direct impact, it was just how autopkgtests work
[02:12] <wxl> ic
[02:15] <wxl> guiverc: unfortunately kfontview is part of plasma-desktop :/
[02:15] <guiverc> wxl - i'll look more later at fonts, & more old-bugs - taking rest awhile (eyes & mouse-hand)
[02:15] <guiverc> :(  explains why I couldn't run it (but found heaps on kde sites about it)
[02:15] <guiverc> i'll look for somethign else later ; prompt me if I forget
[02:16] <wxl> i really wish they could pull out some of the pieces of plasma out. it really doesn't need to be that way
[02:17] <wxl> !info fontmanager.app
[02:17] <wxl> XD
[02:19] <wxl> !info fontypython | guiverc
[02:19] <wxl> it' wxWidgets but looks like it would do the trick
[02:19] <wxl> ooooh python2 though
[02:19] <wxl> nevermind
[02:21] <guiverc> python2 still has some life https://pythonclock.org/ :)
 Traceback (most recent call last): …   File "/usr/bin/dput", line 11, in <module> …     load_entry_point('dput when trying to dput. Any ideas?
 you can't dput with UNRELEASED
 where're you uploading to @HMollerCl
 if it's a PPA, you have to change UNRELEASED -> an actual codename
 a ppa I created
 use the target release
 eoan, for example, for current devel
 then `debuild -S` the package
 then change your changelog back to UNRELEASED for git and such
 thanks!
 didn't knew that
 now you do 😛
 ok, so, here is the lubuntu-update -notifier
 ppa:hmollercl/lubuntu-update-notifier
 pelase test it.
[02:46] <wxl> ooo
[02:46] <wxl> link please
[02:49] <wxl> uhh i think we broke launchpad guiverc XD
[02:49] <guiverc> fyi:  i've got up to 14.04, but now getting launchpad errs (I've broken it; or maybe it thinks I'm a scammer - anyway it's an excuse for me to stop!)
[02:49] <wxl> hah see! me too!
[02:50] <wxl> i thought we'd actually catch up to one another too
 wxl: you broke it lol
[02:51] <guiverc> alas none of us are local to it; we can't give kick
 wxl: ppa:hmollercl/lubuntu-update-notifier
 https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-update-notifier
[03:00] <guiverc> birdfont; gtk+ written in vala; no better than gnome's I suspect
[03:02] <guiverc> font: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/fontmanager.app - what's this, an appimage?
[03:02] <guiverc> fontmanager ^ is  gtk according to github anyway
[04:00] <guiverc> wxl, i guess i got to the 'middle' - i just got to one closed 2 hours ago by you..
 @HMollerCl [ppa:hmollercl/lubuntu-update-notifier], Waaaw!!
[06:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL825de7add175: Add how to enable/disable an output] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL825de7add175
[06:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdc5bc9d3341a: Add pavucontrol volume config] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdc5bc9d3341a
[10:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1418
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL59d26daff04c: Add locale numbers dropdown menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL59d26daff04c
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1419
[18:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1420
[18:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe6881b2d9513: Add change of time format by advanced] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe6881b2d9513
[18:27] <wxl> @lynorian: is this still affecting you in e.g. bionic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1436509
[18:29] <lynorian> wxl that machine is broken that motherboard died I don't think I reprodcued on toehr hardware
[18:29] <wxl> ok thx
[18:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6df2e7dd135d: Add currency format changing] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6df2e7dd135d
[18:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl best way to test this?
[18:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9ec4412cf82f: Add locale measurment units drop down] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9ec4412cf82f
[19:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3d3f3a34aa82: Add lock button to change channels] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3d3f3a34aa82
[19:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL83d916abf7b2: Add changing volume of each channel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL83d916abf7b2
[19:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6749d685db1c: Add mute input devices] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6749d685db1c
[19:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2cfbf9e2a572: Add back to one volume bar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2cfbf9e2a572
[20:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcbfbe5543df8: Add latency offset] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcbfbe5543df8
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL373cb82aa7b6: Descirbe changing channels better] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL373cb82aa7b6
[20:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc60faf6a0d1e: Add profile example] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc60faf6a0d1e
[20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL040d748c6fd9: Add back to one slider] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL040d748c6fd9
[20:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6a7831b7cd1b: Add better screenshots with multiple outputs to output devices tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6a7831b7cd1b
[21:33] <lynorian> oh wow pavucontrol-qt has way more hidden options when you have multiple sound outputs
 I think there was a recent update.
[21:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL95018b5a881a: Add change whcih output for which application] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL95018b5a881a
[21:43] <lynorian> on 19.04?
 Now that you mention it, it might have been 19.10.
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl best way to test this?], Install in eoan and wait till an update pops
 In eoan because it has more updates
[22:13] <wxl> @HMollerCl will apt update trigger it?
 I logged out and logged back in and that triggered it.
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl will apt update trigger it?], If you install it yes
[23:14] <wxl> huh, i can't get it to go for some reason
 It has a bash script that runs every 1 hour and check if it's an update
 Did you restart.?
[23:16] <wxl> didn't recognize that as a necessity
[23:16] <wxl> that's why i asked :)
[23:30] <wxl> it worked!
[23:30] <wxl> good job @HMollerCl!
[23:34] <wxl> as a suggestion: add an option to list packages available to upgrade before upgrading