[06:59] <|QuaD|> then xserver setup always takes me 30 minutes
[06:59] <|QuaD|> damn dual monitors
[06:59] <Rene_S> Yoper installs in like 7 and a half mins
[06:59] <[lsd] > ah you'll have to do that manually after the install
[06:59] <[lsd] > or at least, i did
[06:59] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:59] <|QuaD|> i always do
[06:59] <Witigonen> Mandrake's pretty fast, too.  Fedora is slooooow, though.
[07:00] <hypa7ia> slooooow
[07:00] <hypa7ia> and i have a gig of ram

[07:00] <[lsd] > the installer configured my 4MB ET6000 as my primary head, instead of the 64mb gf4mx sitting next to it :)
[07:00] <Rene_S> Yeah, I was shocked on how slow a 1 cd install of Fedora core 2 was
[07:00] <[lsd] > which made me laugh
[07:00] <|QuaD|> suse took a while
[07:01] <Rene_S> Mepis's installer has become peppier these days as well
[07:02] <|QuaD|> i really don't understand the differences between the closely related debian distros
[07:02] <|QuaD|> like ubuntu, yoper, mepis
[07:02] <Rene_S> Creator's personal tastes
[07:02] <|QuaD|> just software package choices?
[07:02] <Rene_S> Yoper was created for speed
[07:02] <Witigonen> Strange, strange things happening with Ubuntu that I think are permissions related.
[07:02] <Rene_S> Mepis was created for newbies
[07:03] <[lsd] > many of the ubuntu guys are debian people ticked off with various aspects of debian
[07:03] <|QuaD|> so yoper is faster than ubuntu?
[07:03] <[lsd] > or they seem to be at least
[07:03] <Rene_S> Ubuntu was created for humanity :)
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: it's not a mattter of speed
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is about intgeration
[07:03] <Witigonen> 1.  My CD-ROM drive is incredibly, incredibly slow.  2.  Same with DVDs.  3. Whenever doing stuff with said CD-ROM drive, system lags a lot.  4. Whenever I print, my printer warms up, but never actually PRINTS anything.
[07:03] <|QuaD|> integration?
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> staying up to date, but off the bleeding edge
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> it's about Just Working
[07:03] <|QuaD|> heh
[07:04] <mdz> Witigonen: 1-3 = DMA not enabled on the drive
[07:04] <Rene_S> Yoper is one of the fastest Linux's ever, however its short on native apps and programs
[07:04] <Witigonen> mdz, excellent.  I'll google on how to check that.
[07:04] <mdz> Witigonen: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[07:04] <Rene_S> And i think its gonna run out of money as well
[07:05] <Rene_S> One guy living in New Zealand cant front the bill the way its going now
[07:05] <|QuaD|> oh well, i think i am going to do the ubuntu thing tomorrow night :)
[07:05] <Rene_S> Not everyone has 575 million floating around
[07:05] <mdz> Rene_S: what sort of benchmarks have been done on yoper?
mark shuttleworth</cough>
[07:06] <|QuaD|> does he ever come in here?
[07:06] <desp> any vim specialists here?
[07:06] <mdz> Rene_S: do they do anything besides build with -march=i686?
[07:06] <Rene_S> There was a series of tests performed by some one and posted on there website, the testing boot up, app speed and some other things
[07:06] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: haven't seen him, but he's active on the wiki and email list it seems
[07:06] <mdz> |QuaD|: yes, quite often actually
[07:07] <|QuaD|> whats his nick?
[07:07] <Rene_S> Unfortunaly the web site is being upgraded so a link isnt gonna help
[07:07] <mdz> desp: it's generally better to just ask your question; if someone can answer, they'll hear
[07:07] <Witigonen> mdz, thank you so much.  Ripping is going incredibly well, and I'll test the DVD playback in a minute.
[07:07] <Rene_S> they strip there builds and then prelink the hell out of everything
[07:07] <mdz> Witigonen: unfortunately, there are too many CD-ROM drives out there which don't work properly with DMA enabled, so it is disabled by default
[07:08] <Witigonen> Ahhh
[07:08] <Witigonen> mdz, that explains it :)
[07:08] <desp> mdz: right. well, whenever I try to open an existing file with vim/gvim, it displays both the beginning and the end of the file, which is rather odd to me, a novice. :P
[07:08] <desp> so, how can I get it do display the file as one contiguous area?
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> nano -w
[07:08] <Rene_S> Yoper is like a Linux from scratch with some linux speed tricks
[07:08] <mdz> |QuaD|: sabdfl
[07:09] <Tsjoklat> desp: nano -w
[07:09] <desp> Tsjoklat: you're really helpful!
[07:09] <|QuaD|> oh
[07:09] <Tsjoklat> :)
[07:09] <desp> sigh
[07:09] <mdz> desp: I've never seen the behaviour you describe
[07:09] <desp> ha...
[07:09] <desp> ok, thanks.
[07:10] <desp> mdz: are there any config files used by vim that could've gone bad?
[07:10] <mdz> desp: there are config files which could have been changed, but if you leave them alone they generally don't spoil ;-)
[07:11] <Tsjoklat> desp: it's a good idea to make a backup dir... and put all the org files in there (copied) so if you do mess up.. you can copy them back
[07:11] <desp> generally, yeah.
[07:11] <desp> Tsjoklat: uh huh
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> that's what I do.. and I needed it many times :)
[07:12] <Witigonen> ...whoah.  Heh. Oops.
[07:12] <Witigonen> I guess installing the right printer might have something to do with it.  I installed the 1750 instead of the 1710.  Heh.
[07:13] <|QuaD|> alrihgt...bedtime
[07:13] <|QuaD|> i will be around tomorrow when i install it :)
[07:13] <Witigonen> G'night, |QuaD|.
[07:14] <Rene_S> Toodles
[07:15] <geppy> What is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?
[07:15] <Rene_S> Hmm odd, I have a Linux distro in German and one in Chinese
[07:15] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: Chinese? hmmm
[07:16] <stephen_> hello. i'm looking for some help on why a "make" command would bail? Braind new ubuntu installation...
[07:16] <Rene_S> Yeah, Berry Linux is chinese or japanese or something
[07:16] <desp> ahhh.
[07:16] <geppy> stephen_ what does it say in the console?
[07:16] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: ah
[07:17] <desp> mhz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit
[07:17] <Rene_S> The german one is from a government ministry
[07:17] <stephen_> geppy: i should explain. trying to run a script that came from the minitar.com website. drivers for a wifi pcmcia card...
[07:17] <[lsd] > do you have make (and gcc  etc. for that matter) installed?
[07:17] <desp> mdz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit
[07:17] <desp> :)
[07:17] <stephen_> ii am pretty syre that i have gcc installed. i thought that make installed as part of the c++ files??
[07:17] <Rene_S> Someplace around my house I still have a copy of Storm Linux from like 1998
[07:18] <[lsd] > try an apt-get install make just to double-check
[07:18] <yohannes> hi, how do i execute *.bin file?
[07:18] <geppy> sh ./*.bin
[07:18] <stephen_> geppy, the error message is lsd: yep, latest installed already...
[07:18] <geppy> er, run
[07:19] <geppy> lsd"
[07:19] <geppy> That's all that you're getting?
[07:19] <stephen_> the error message is... make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386'
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : Makefile: No such file or directory
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386'
[07:19] <stephen_> rt2400.ko failed to build!
[07:19] <stephen_> make: *** [module]  Error 1
[07:19] <[lsd] > ah
[07:19] <[lsd] > you need kernel headers
[07:19] <stephen_> i thought they were installed too? how do I check?
[07:19] <[lsd] > i think the package you need is linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-something
[07:19] <[lsd] > not sure exactly
[07:19] <stephen_> (i love linux geeks, we're so helpful!)
[07:20] <[lsd] > hmm there's a package called linux-kernel-headers
[07:20] <[lsd] > i guess that's an alias to whatever the appropriate version is
[07:20] <[lsd] > try installing that :)
[07:20] <Rene_S> Yeah, everything I know about Linux i learned from Google
[07:20] <stephen_> lol...
[07:21] <stephen_> synaptic tells me that the headers are installed. i also suspect that it might be a symlink problem.
[07:21] <schifo> guys
[07:21] <schifo> how long does it take to compile the kernel
[07:21] <stephen_> the script i downloaded assumes every english speaking linux user is using rh...
[07:21] <schifo> been at it for 40 mins
[07:21] <hypa7ia> schifo: that's normal
[07:21] <crimsun> depends on the options you selected and the speed of your machine
[07:21] <hypa7ia> how fast is your machine schifo?
[07:21] <schifo> 1.6ghz
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> and how many modules you are building
[07:22] <schifo> 2
[07:22] <stephen_> lsd... when u said "try installing that", what did you mean?
[07:22] <[lsd] > apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[07:22] <[lsd] > but looking at it now
[07:23] <[lsd] > it sounds like they may well be installed
[07:23] <stephen_> i'll try it anyway... hang on a sec...
[07:23] <[lsd] > but if it's expecting a makefile in there, it might be disappointed
[07:24] <stephen_> i think that is what the script is doing.
[07:24] <geppy> What is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?
[07:24] <[lsd] > i hope you don't have to end up building a kernel, and then building the driver against that :/
[07:24] <[lsd] > geppy: there's a FAQ on the website i think
[07:24] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:25] <stephen_> lsd: apt-get reports latest version of the kernel-headers installed...
[07:25] <[lsd] > ah okay
[07:26] <geppy> lsd:  It just says that it's unsupported.  Does that mean that I should install the sun .run file?
[07:26] <[lsd] > geppy: i think so y eah
[07:26] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:27] <[lsd] > i could have sworn i read a more comprehensive guide to it on the ubuntu website the other day
[07:27] <[lsd] > but i can't find it now
[07:28] <stephen_> has anyone else tried to install wifi drivers for a minitar pcmcia card?
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> lsd: maybe the wiki page
[07:28] <[lsd] > Tsjoklat: ah i think you might be right
[07:29] <[lsd] > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:29] <[lsd] > bingo
[07:29] <htaccess> hi ive just installed on a toshiba satelite pro 4300 laptop, when ubuntu boots there is a black x laft in the middle of the screen, you know the x that always appears when the xserver starts, but it doesnt go away, the mouse cursor works fine.
[07:30] <htaccess> any suggestions on howto remove the x?
[07:30] <hypa7ia> htaccess: lemme find it on the wiki for ya, it's a known bug
[07:31] <htaccess> hypa7ia, cool, thanks, known bugs are much better than unknown ones ;)
[07:31] <hypa7ia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[07:32] <hypa7ia> that they are htaccess :-)
[07:32] <htaccess> hypa7ia, thankyou kindly
[07:32] <hypa7ia> rock on!  i found something i needed when searching for that :-)
[07:32] <hypa7ia> no problemo, glad to help
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> go hypa :)
[07:33] <Rene_S> Wish someone told me about the known bugs in my marriage :)
[07:33] <stephen_> can anyone spare a 1 on 1 conversation? i'm trying to install minitar wifi drivers. think i'm having kernel problems tho...
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> Rene: love is blind and marriage is the eye opener
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> that's all you need to know
[07:34] <hypa7ia> haha nice one Tsjoklat :-)
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:34] <Rene_S> Didn't know about all the dependancy problems before hand
[07:34] <hypa7ia> stephen_: don't think i can help you with that :-(
[07:34] <Witigonen> There's this hilarious quote in The 300 Spartans, but since I want to keep my spleen, I'm not going to say it.
[07:34] <hypa7ia> saaaay it!
[07:35] <Witigonen> Bah, let me see if I can find it.
[07:35] <bwiti> hey doing a pxe install...
[07:36] <bwiti> and in the /etc/dhcpd.conf, do I add the mac address of the computer i am installing to or the host?
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> Rene you only got a real problem if you are in marriage two and up
[07:36] <bwiti> done it before, but cant remember
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> hehe you didn't learn much from the first time then
[07:36] <bwiti> well? any ideas?
[07:37] <Rene_S> True, been at this 10 years.  Seem's to me I can live with the bugs now
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> you'll be fine I would reckon... heheh
[07:37] <hypa7ia> bwiti: i'd think the target comptuer
[07:37] <hypa7ia> the one you're installing on
[07:37] <Rene_S> Yeah the wife is a good ole gal, only gonna trade her in for 2 sheep and a llama
[07:38] <hypa7ia> but the real question Rene_S: is she running linux :-)
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> go for alpacas Rene
[07:39] <hypa7ia> haha, best person-for-sale story
[07:39] <Rene_S> NO, she looks confused when she see's me using it
[07:39] <hypa7ia> aww, you gotta get her on it :-)
[07:39] <Rene_S> I am gonna slip here a live disc oneday and see what happens
[07:39] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: as much as i hate suse, try the suse livecd. it's very windowstacular
[07:39] <Rene_S> Wow i am tiring starting to spell worse than a 3 year old
[07:40] <Witigonen> Whoah... how very strange... On a umount -f I'm getting, "/dev/sda10: not mounted, /mnt/sda10: Illegal seek" and then a "device is busy" on a failed umount with the error "Device or Resource busy".  I can't think of anything that could be using it, though.
[07:40] <Rene_S> I got a bunch of Live CD's kicking around gonna try one out on her machine soon
[07:41] <Rene_S> would make filesharing easier
[07:41] <hypa7ia> my plan is to get a fileserver / remote box going in my house
[07:41] <hypa7ia> show the two roomies how to vnc into it to download crap off the university DC++ hub
[07:42] <Rene_S> Mine is to make sure my fridge never out performs my PC
[07:42] <hypa7ia> and they'll like that so much that i'll just have to put them on linux
[07:42] <hypa7ia> well, maybe not the one with the mac.  she can stay in osx
[07:42] <hypa7ia> but the other... i am sick of clearing spyware off her compy :-/
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hypa your wife is on osx?
[07:42] <Witigonen> Why doesn't the right-click menu ever work in Nautilus in a mounted drive?
[07:43] <phill> how would i mount an ftp as a folder?
[07:43] <hypa7ia> not my wife, my roomie Tsjoklat
[07:43] <hypa7ia> <-- is in unimiversity
[07:43] <hypa7ia> <--also is not a guy
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> well you could still have a wife lol
[07:43] <hypa7ia> that i could, that i could :-)
[07:44] <hypa7ia> yay canuckistan
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> I knew you are not a bloke hypa... but you could have had/have a wife
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> who knows.. some ppl collect stamps.. others wives
[07:44] <Rene_S> Ill stick to stamps
[07:45] <Rene_S> One wife is plenty for me
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I'll stick to my cats
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I got four
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> my babies
[07:45] <hypa7ia> there's been a lot of jokes up here of late about marrying americans so that they can move here
[07:45] <Rene_S> I got 2 Jack russel terriers
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> you are canuck hypa?
[07:45] <hypa7ia> it's especially funny if they're of the same sex :-)
[07:45] <hypa7ia> that i am
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> you best be proud :)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I got a friend that had to move to CA to marry her gf
[07:45] <Rene_S> Deep down inside we are all Canadians
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> and even deeper down Canadians are all Europeans
[07:46] <hypa7ia> haha
[07:46] <hypa7ia> one of my friend's msn nicks has been for the past week:
[07:46] <hypa7ia> "canada has decided to pack up and move to europe.  for convenience, we are taking alaska with us"
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:47] <Rene_S> Hehhe
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> God that is hilarious
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> I remember when I saw your nick for the first time hypa
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> it was very late/early and I read hymen
[07:47] <hypa7ia> http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/usofcanada.jpg
[07:47] <hypa7ia> haha
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> I was like.. well that's orginal
[07:47] <jmhodges> hypa7ia: i like that msn nick :D
[07:47] <hypa7ia> it's actually kinda funny... my name irl is leigh
[07:48] <Rene_S> Mines Bob
[07:48] <hypa7ia> and i picked hypatia for my irc nick... she was an ancience greek mathematician
[07:48] <Rene_S> dunno why i call myself Rene
[07:48] <hypa7ia> but apparently there was also a porn star named....
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> identity crisis Rene
[07:48] <hypa7ia> *drumroll*
[07:48] <hypa7ia> hypatia lee
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> hahaha too f unny
[07:48] <jmhodges> hehe
[07:48] <Rene_S> Hypatia Lee
[07:48] <Rene_S> woot
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> go hypa
[07:48] <Rene_S> Classic Porn
[07:48] <hypa7ia> tooootally coincidental :-)
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> mines is Des.. and I got a very huge obsession with chocolate
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> sureeeeeeeeeee hypa
[07:49] <hypa7ia> really!  it was!
[07:49] <hypa7ia> my ex loved 70's porn, found out from him
[07:49] <Rene_S> Jesusland lol
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:49] <Rene_S> I can almost see that
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> the music always cracks me up hypa
[07:50] <hypa7ia> my slashdot sig now reads "from just north of gilead"
[07:50] <jmhodges> hypa7ia: hah
[07:50] <hypa7ia> we'll see how long i go before getting flamed for that :-)
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> we use to have chocolate from my grandmother.. from a factory from Indonesia that was named: tjoklat
[07:51] <hypa7ia> thank goodness for the +1 karma bonus
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> well ad one and one
[07:51] <hypa7ia> why the s then Tsjoklat?
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> tjoklat was taken lol
[07:51] <hypa7ia> haha doh!
[07:51] <phill> how would i mount an ftp as a folder?
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> and it sounded better I think
[07:51] <hypa7ia> yeah, that's why there's a 7 in my name
[07:52] <htaccess> hypa7ia, thanks x gone now
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> my alter nick is DLite
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> D from my first name and Lite well... I could be a shining light? if I really tried?
[07:52] <hypa7ia> haha, well, you're helpful on here
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> on my website it reads: name... Dee Lizious
[07:52] <hypa7ia> awesome htaccess :-)
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> goes with Tsjoklat
[07:53] <hypa7ia> nice
[07:53] <hypa7ia> i used to be pandorasvox everywhere
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> I sometimes have this brain spurs lol
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> but I do wonder about Bob/Rene now
[07:53] <hypa7ia> then i was secretsoflife
[07:53] <hypa7ia> but now, hypatia it is :-)
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> I like it hypa :)
[07:53] <hypa7ia> moi aussi
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> and I am sorry if I read hymen the first time
[07:53] <hypa7ia> no worries :-)
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> we shall blame that on my dyslexia :)
[07:54] <hypa7ia> i even got hypatia.ca! nothing there now tho
[07:54] <hypa7ia> lol
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:54] <hypa7ia> and soon home.hypatia.ca will point to my house!
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> Rene... we want to know how you went from Bob to Rene
[07:54] <hypa7ia> while the main site will be on my server in florida
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> what part of CA are you? west? east?
[07:54] <hypa7ia> toronto
[07:54] <Witigonen> brb
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> too lazy to look hypa
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> are you in the French speaking part?
[07:55] <schifo> Tsjoklat
[07:55] <schifo> it finally finished
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> schifo
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> woooo
[07:55] <schifo> whats the next step sir
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> ma'am
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> well read da page I flopped at you
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> gotta install the .deb now
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> do you know the peanuts hypa?
[07:56] <schifo> but im scared though
[07:56] <schifo> will it screw up grub
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> of what?
[07:56] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: i'm in toronto, capital of ontario, the big anglo province
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> nooooo
[07:56] <schifo> k
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> it won't screw up grub
[07:56] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: peanuts?
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> I feel like Peppermint Patty... when everybody keeps calling me Sir
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> yeah
[07:57] <hypa7ia> har har
[07:57] <hypa7ia> we need to add somethign to the topic
[07:57] <hypa7ia> "please do not assume that everyone here is male, kthx
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> yes that would be awesome
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> drives me bonkers when they msg me saying: dude
[07:57] <hypa7ia> durn, no ops around
[07:57] <hypa7ia> yeah, seriously!
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> or: are you really a chick? I always reply with: are you really a pig?
[07:58] <hypa7ia> lol
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> blimey
[07:58] <hypa7ia> our LUG is trying to figure how how to get more women involved
[07:58] <logic> Hello ladies
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> hello logic
[07:58] <logic> hehe
[07:58] <hypa7ia> lol logic
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> logic is waving a white flag!
[07:58] <logic> I don't want no trouble
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> no trouble from me logic
[07:59] <Witigonen> I need help with a find command.
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> what find command?
[07:59] <Witigonen> I need to find all the files of a certain type and delete them.
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> from where? from what?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> a package you installed?
[07:59] <Witigonen> No, music files of a certain type.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> are they in one folder?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> or on your whole box?
[08:00] <GammaRay> Witigonen: do they have the same extension?
[08:00] <Witigonen> GammaRay, they do.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> Witi: first do this
[08:00] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, they are in many subdirectories in one folder.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> sudo updatedb
[08:00] <GammaRay> Witigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" | xargs rm
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> it takes a file
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> do the update first Witi.. that way you are sure to remove EVERYTHING
[08:01] <GammaRay> forget locate
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> won't work if he hasn't done an updatedb
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> locate/find won't find swat
[08:01] <GammaRay> find will work fine
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> no comment
[08:02] <GammaRay> Witigonen: that searches the current dir
[08:02] <htaccess> Witigonen, find . -name '*.mp3'
[08:03] <GammaRay> Witigonen: you can put a path after the word find
[08:03] <schifo> Tsjoklat, what about this: Be sure you say "no" when the script asks if you want to install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf. That
[08:04] <htaccess> Witigonen, check out http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-09/power_01.html
[08:04] <schifo> after installing kernel using dpkg -i kernel-image.deb
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> what do you mean schifo?
[08:04] <htaccess> and http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-04/newbies_01.html
[08:06] <logic> I want to install the Windows fonts - corefonts I think they're called - on Ubuntu - anyone know if these are available via apt?
[08:06] <hypa7ia> yup logic, msttcorefonts
[08:06] <hypa7ia> might need to enable universe
[08:07] <hypa7ia> err no, i think they're just in restricted
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> get xfonts-artwiz too logic.. very nice
[08:07] <hypa7ia> oh thanks for reminding me Tsjoklat
[08:07] <Witigonen> Okay... well... I'm getting an 'xargs: unmatched single quote" error.
[08:07] <logic> Thanks
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> Witi did you do the updatedb?
[08:08] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, yes.
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> cd to /
[08:09] <Witigonen> Alright.
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> rm *.extension
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> but it is tricky
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> I would really try to do a locate *.extention first
[08:10] <GammaRay> logic: here is where I got them
[08:10] <GammaRay> logic: deb ftp://ftp.mowgli.ch/pub/debian/ sarge unofficial
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> to see where it is and where to remove it
[08:10] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, did it.
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> did it give you a list of where it is located?
[08:10] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, where THEY are located, yeah.  There are quite a few of them.
[08:10] <GammaRay> Witigonen: ok try this then
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> well do one dir at the time and redo the locate command
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> that's what I would do
[08:11] <GammaRay> Witigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" -exec rm "{}" \;
[08:11] <logic> Thx GammaRay :)
[08:11] <hypa7ia> GammaRay: you don't need to add that rep to get msttcorefonts
[08:11] <GammaRay> hypa7ia: I'm all ears
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> I have copied a lot of win fonts into my nix box.. works great
[08:12] <Witigonen> GammaRay, that worked, thanks.
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> it was logic that wanted the fonts hypa
[08:12] <GammaRay> Witigonen: ofcourse it did (-;
[08:13] <hypa7ia> i know Tsjoklat but GammaRay pointed logic to a faraway repository when i think they're in ubuntu restricted
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> wb Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> bye Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:13] <hypa7ia> or possibly universe
[08:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> bye
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> ah okay I missed that hypa excuse moi
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> that was pretty tame for you Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> was expecting a five line yelling match :)
[08:13] <bratsche> Anyone using Hoary updated Evolution?
[08:14] <logic> hypa7ia: Yeah found em in synaptic without adding any reps thanks
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> whats the prob bratsche
[08:14] <hypa7ia> np logic
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> I took the plunge hypa
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> did it this weekend
[08:14] <hypa7ia> i'm waiting a month
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> I wish I had
[08:14] <hypa7ia> hahah, doh :-(
[08:14] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: It doesn't seem to download POP mail anymore.  I switched over to my Fedora partition using Evo 2.0 and it worked fine, so it's not the server.
[08:15] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Ever since I upgraded to Evo 2.1 in Hoary, it stopped downloading mail.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> I heard of probs with it bratsche.. might want to check the bug site
[08:15] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> you could always downgrade
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> if it is a problem (which it sounds it is)
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> nothing major hypa.. just minor twitches here and there
[08:15] <Witigonen> Hrrrmmm.. Okay, every time I try to add a directory to xmms it just crashes.
[08:16] <bratsche> How do you do that?  I thought Synaptic just shows the newest packages?
[08:16] <Witigonen> With a segmentation fault.
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> bratsche: go to cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> do ls -l evolution*
[08:16] <GammaRay> Witigonen: recompile xmms w/ CFLAGS=-g and run gdb on it (-;
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> see the older version: do sudo dpkg -i filename
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> after you have done that you may want to lock the evo version you like...  until they got it fixed
[08:17] <Rene_S> I updated to Hoary but I ended up downgrading Evolution
[08:17] <Witigonen> It doesn't matter if I run it as root or not, so it's not a permissions thing.
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> Rene... what about the nick lol.. I haven't forgotten it yet
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> did it work bratsche?
[08:19] <GammaRay> Witigonen: atleast it's consistant
[08:19] <Rene_S> I was only Kidding about the Bob thing, Rene is my name,  Mother thought it was an elegant name for a boy
[08:19] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Yes, it looks like it fixed it.  Thanks!
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> oooh
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> well it is.. nice name
[08:19] <hypa7ia> s/elegant/um, something else
[08:19] <hypa7ia> heheh
[08:19] <hypa7ia> i like it actually
[08:19] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: I don't suppose you know how to fix the spam filtering do you?
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> great bratsche :) do you need me to help you lock your evo version?
[08:19] <Rene_S> I no longer communicate with my mother
[08:20] <Witigonen> GammaRay, How true.  I deleted .xmms from my home dir and reinstalled it via apt, no luck there.
[08:20] <hypa7ia> and heck.  i have a pretty genderneutral name too, so whatevv
[08:20] <Rene_S> You would be surprised how many people rhyme Rene with another not so flatering word
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> no I use spamassian on my router bratsche.. no spam no nothing :)
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> wait until your name is desiree...
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> you constantly have bowel problems
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> according to others
[08:21] <bratsche> Okay, well thanks anyway.
[08:21] <Rene_S> Hmm i dont get the corelation, I am a tad slow today
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> diarea
[08:21] <bratsche> I don't suppose anyone else has Evolution correctly filtering spam on Ubuntu?
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> or how ever you spell it
[08:22] <Rene_S> I dont get spam so I dunno
[08:22] <Witigonen> Beep is working, though.
[08:23] <GammaRay> Witigonen: apt-get source xmms; cd xmms*/; export CFLAGS=-g; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[08:24] <GammaRay> hmm 11 minutes to ER
[08:24] <Rene_S> another Rainman wannbe :)
[08:25] <Witigonen> GammaRay, fakeroot : command not found.
[08:25] <GammaRay> Witigonen: apt-get install guess-what
[08:25] <Witigonen> hehe.
[08:25] <Tsjoklat> sudo apt-get build-essential something
[08:26] <Rene_S> Ok, now i am getting tired, I almost typed that
[08:26] <geppy> hahaha
[08:26] <geppy> bed'
[08:27] <Tsjoklat> night geppy
[08:27] <geppy> 'night
[08:27] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Yes, so how do I lock Evolution at 2.0.2 now?
[08:28] <Tsjoklat> ok open up synaptic
[08:29] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> search evolution
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> see the one you installed
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> with a green block in front of it
[08:29] <bratsche> k
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> version 2.0.2
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> select that
[08:29] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> package --> lock: select that
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> it will v
[08:30] <bratsche> Cool, thanks.
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> then a lock will appear and when you do upgrades it won't upgrade
[08:30] <weasello> I'm trying to restart my Apache webserver but it says file not found. Where are such execs usually found? /bin?
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> to the new version that doesn't work for you
[08:31] <Tsjoklat> when you want to unlock it.. same routine... select the package.. go to package click lock version again.. the v will vanish the lock will be gone and you can upgrade it
[08:32] <jdub> weasello: how are you trying to restart it?
[08:32] <tmartin> hi, my rm is not asking me for confimation
[08:32] <tmartin> is there an alias somewhere?
[08:33] <tmartin> i grepped my bashrc but found nothing
[08:33] <jdub> tmartin: see your .bashrc file
[08:33] <tmartin> yea
[08:33] <weasello> jdub: apachectl -k graceful
[08:33] <bwiti> anyone wanna help me with a pxe install... done it before, but having a hard time
[08:33] <jdub> tmartin: did you see /root/.bashrc?
[08:34] <jdub> weasello: do /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[08:34] <tmartin> no just my user one
[08:34] <tmartin> o yea its in there alright
[08:34] <tmartin> thanks so much
[08:35] <weasello> jdub: great, worked, thx
[08:37] <bwiti> Hey, configuring dhcpd3 to work with a pxe boot... dhcpd3 says not configured to listen on any interface... Do i need server mac addrss in thers somehow?
[08:37] <Rene_S> Well boys and girls thats it for me this evening.  Have your selves a good night
[08:38] <jdub> bwiti: dhcpd.conf needs to have scopes and so on, running on an available interface
[08:39] <bwiti> jdub: scopes? like what? got subnet netmask client mac addrsss..
[08:39] <jdub> yeah, that's a scope - make sure it's actually providing something for an active interface
[08:40] <jdub> bwiti: also, see /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[08:41] <bwiti> jdub, ok now i got a no subnet declaration on eth0... getting better
[08:42] <Witigonen> GammaRay, while that worked, I also found out that it was the xmms-mp4 package that was causing it to crash.
[08:42] <Witigonen> GammaRay, which is sad, since I have a decent number of mp4 files.
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> hey volvo
[08:43] <volvoguy> howdy
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:43] <borgmeister> is anyone having toruble with sound in games like frozen bubble?
[08:43] <volvoguy> hey, is there some trick to getting a samba server up and running on ubuntu?
[08:44] <volvoguy> i installed the necessary packages, edited smb.conf, and keep running into this error message - "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE"
[08:44] <fabbione> hey volvoguy
[08:45] <volvoguy> hey fabbione
[08:45] <fabbione> check that the samba server is listening on all the interface
[08:45] <volvoguy> and how would i do that?
[08:45] <fabbione> i think it was me restricting it to lo
[08:45] <fabbione> netstat -a | less
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> afk: converting Somatic icons
[08:46] <Witigonen> Hey, anyone have experience here with TransGaming's Cedega or CrossOver Office?
[08:46] <volvoguy> what should i be looking for fabbione?
[08:47] <fabbione> volvoguy: hang on a sec :-)
[08:48] <borgmeister> i wouldnt bother with proper games on my laptop, intel extreme graphics, dont do much >.<
[08:48] <volvoguy> thanks. :) i see a microsoft-ds and netbios-ssn in the "listen" state.
[08:48] <fabbione> volvoguy: exactly.. but netstat should also tell you where they are listening
[08:48] <fabbione> volvoguy: netbios-ns      137/tcp                         # NETBIOS Name Service
[08:49] <fabbione> (/etc/services is your friend)
[08:49] <volvoguy> fabbione: i have a line - tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN
[08:50] <GnuHippy> how do I find out what kernel I am running?
[08:50] <GnuHippy> Witigonen shoot!
[08:50] <fabbione> volvoguy: it seems correct to me
[08:50] <GnuHippy> ?
[08:50] <volvoguy> fabbione: no port number though.
[08:50] <fabbione> GnuHippy: uname
[08:50] <fabbione> ehm
[08:50] <fabbione> uname -a
[08:50] <Witigonen> GnuHippy, uname -r
[08:50] <fabbione> volvoguy: netbios-ssn is the port
[08:51] <Witigonen> Or, well, -a I guess.
[08:51] <Witigonen> Question, for an athalon-xp processor, do I want the k7 kernel or the 686 kernel?
[08:51] <mrjive> hi *
[08:51] <borgmeister> do you have a athlon xp?
[08:52] <borgmeister> oh srry
[08:52] <borgmeister> yeha k7
[08:52] <Witigonen> Awesome.
[08:52] <fabbione> volvoguy: if you want to see the port numbers just use -n
[08:52] <borgmeister> athlon xp=k7 athlon 64=k8
[08:52] <Witigonen> Ah!
[08:53] <borgmeister> i use 686
[08:53] <borgmeister> p4
[08:53] <borgmeister> btw
[08:53] <Amaranth> Duron processors are k7 too.
[08:53] <Amaranth> But the catch is, not all of them are.
[08:53] <borgmeister> there are very few programs compiled for athlon and p4 seperately
[08:53] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. it looks like i don't have netbios-ns (name service?) running.
[08:53] <borgmeister> x86 is the common type of app
[08:54] <fabbione> volvoguy: i suggest you to check both smb and nmb logs in /var/log/samba (or something like that)
[08:54] <fabbione> there should be 2 daemons running
[08:54] <fabbione> with the same names
[08:56] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. i'll check that out. the netbios-ssn appears to be listening on lo.
[08:56] <fabbione> volvoguy: yes. you need to change the config files to listen on all interfaces or the one you need
[08:56] <volvoguy> fabbione: is that in the smb.conf file?
[08:57] <mrjive> ciao fabbione
[08:57] <volvoguy> fabbione: both log files say that their service started.
[08:57] <Witigonen> G'night everyone!
[08:57] <fabbione> volvoguy: yes..
[08:58] <fabbione> volvoguy: it's in smb.conf
[08:58] <fabbione> mrjive: ciao
[08:58] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. i'll look into that. did you know the man page for smb.conf is HUGE? :-)
[08:58] <fabbione> yes i know :-)
[08:59] <fabbione> volvoguy: gimme a sec only.. i am checking the flags you need
[08:59] <volvoguy> fabbione: thanks! :-)
[09:00] <fabbione>        bind interfaces only (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> that's what you need to look
[09:01] <fabbione>        interfaces (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> or this one
[09:01] <volvoguy> cool. thanks fabbione!
[09:01] <fabbione>        socket address (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> also this one :-)
[09:01] <volvoguy> :-)
[09:01] <fabbione> no problem
[09:01] <fabbione>               Example: socket address = <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:01] <fabbione> :-)
[09:02] <volvoguy> fabbione: i'm surprised that isn't in the default smb.conf somewhere.
[09:03] <fabbione> volvoguy: i think we did patch patch the code to listen on localhost only by default
[09:03] <fabbione> volvoguy: but i am not sure 100%
[09:03] <bwiti> ok maybe it would be easier to copy some files to my hard drive and use lilo, than try to set up pxe...
[09:04] <volvoguy> fabbione: aren't samba shares kind of useless on localhost? ;-)
[09:04] <fabbione> volvoguy: not necessarely.
[11:23] <HWolf> Hm. It's like line 5 on my system, but we'll see
[11:28] <Mithrandir> HWolf: no, that's the wrong one, not the one saying make_resolv_conf () {
[11:29] <HWolf> Ah, got it.
[11:50] <xare> hi
[11:50] <xare> I just installed ubuntu
[11:50] <Treenaks> congratulations :)
[11:50] <xare> and I find myself unable to log in
[11:50] <xare> the second time
[11:50] <Scognito> hi all
[11:50] <Treenaks> is your capslock on?
[11:50] <xare> now I am in in error proof mode
[11:50] <xare> no
[11:50] <Treenaks> xare: ah so you can login
[11:51] <Treenaks> xare: ("it accepts your password")
[11:51] <Treenaks> xare: but the rest doesn't work ?
[11:51] <xare> yeah I seem to have aproblem with gnome
[11:51] <Scognito> is safe to upgrade to hoary?
[11:51] <Scognito> or i may lose the data on my hd
[11:51] <xare> it is the second time it happens
[11:52] <jdub> Scognito: have you used debian sid before?
[11:52] <Scognito> yeah
[11:52] <Scognito> ever
[11:52] <xare> on the 1st time I copied the backup data I had on another partition bat to /home/user
[11:52] <xare> and i found myself already with that problem
[11:52] <Scognito> jdub, sid was my last distribution (i used it since 2-3 years)
[11:53] <xare> I seem to have problems in changing permissions to files and folders even when I am logged in as root
[11:53] <Scognito> so?
[11:53] <jdub> Scognito: so hoary is sid + our changes
[11:54] <jdub> Scognito: it'll move faster, and potentially be more unstable because of that
[11:54] <jdub> Scognito: but if you're into fixing bugs and reporting stuff, and know how to fix a debian machine when things go wrong, go for it :)
[11:54] <Scognito> sure, but i mean, no risk to lose data then
[11:55] <tmartin> hey all, i cant play CDs ?  what the checklist for getting cds to work
[11:55] <Mithrandir> Scognito: of course there's a risk of losing data, but the developers are running it on their systems, so it shouldn't eat your data on purpose.  We do take data loss bugs very seriously as well, mind.
[11:55] <Scognito> :)
[11:56] <Scognito> another partition is better than :)
[11:56] <Scognito> then
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: put CD in drive. Start CD player program. Press "play"
[11:56] <tmartin> well in that case... no sound comes out of mah speakas
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: that should do it.. you might have to enable the volume
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: (in the volume control thingy)
[11:56] <tmartin> of the cd program?
[11:57] <Scognito> tmartin, which program do you use?
[11:57] <tmartin> um i guess its whatever is staritng up.. cd player
[11:58] <tmartin> i can play mp3s ok
[11:58] <tmartin> ive tried playing the cd in xmms but its not working in their either
[11:59] <tmartin> do i need to connect the cd cable from my drive to my soundcard?
[11:59] <jdub> yes
[11:59] <tmartin> thats not necessary under win Xp so iono
[12:00] <tmartin> ah crap because the metal prongs on the male connect are broken
[12:00] <tmartin> connector*
[12:00] <tmartin> why cant the cd info just go over the system bus
[12:01] <paperflake> hi
[12:01] <paperflake> having probs getting the xserver started
[12:02] <tmartin> so theres nothing i can do m8?
[12:03] <jdub> tmartin: check the xmms cd plugin configuration, it might do digital extraction
[12:03] <phill> Hi, whats a decent gui bittorrent client that doesn't screw around with ratios for those of us who are upload limited (ala bittornado)
[12:03] <tmartin> jdub thx it works
[12:04] <Scognito> phill, i use azureus
[12:04] <tmartin> i assume therees no lose in quality?
[12:04] <Scognito> very very cool
[12:04] <phill> without java?
[12:04] <jdub> tmartin: it's digital.
[12:04] <tmartin> since the cd is digital
[12:04] <tmartin> ah you beat me to it
[12:04] <tmartin> then why is there an analog connector?
[12:05] <phill> if you don't have that plugged in, and you can play cd's, then it's digital
[12:05] <paperflake> it tells me the fonts are not installed or correct, any1 had anything similar ?
[12:05] <phill> it used to be cd drives were made so you couild play audio through the sound card without a cd player
[12:05] <phill> it's like a legacy kind of thing
[12:05] <phill> now software can read straight from the disc
[12:05] <phill> no worries
[12:06] <tmartin> oh ok
[12:06] <tmartin> thats why some older drives have the play button on teh front?
[12:06] <toxicsludge> ok, PXE booted, got the installer to start, having a hard time configuring the mirror...
[12:06] <toxicsludge> any ideas?
[12:07] <phill> tmartin: yep
[12:10] <Scognito> one question
[12:10] <nefertati> i cant log on to ubuntu. the error message says: your session only lasted less than 10 sec.if you have not logged out yourself,this could meant that there is some installation problem or that you are out of disk space.
[12:11] <Scognito> lsmod tells me vesafb is loaded, but i have no fb
[12:11] <Scognito> i'm usinga nvidia card
[12:11] <nefertati> so i am new to linux and i dont what to do. :( can someone help....
[12:13] <Scognito> nefertati, mmm
[12:13] <Scognito> you have diskspace ok, right?
[12:14] <nefertati> scognito :yes
[12:14] <Scognito> nefertati, i had this problem some time ago
[12:14] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  i have the same video card, compiled vesfb as built in and it works
[12:14] <nefertati> scognito : and?
[12:15] <Scognito> log on under console, and remove .ICEauthority
[12:15] <Scognito> Elw0od_21, so you recompiled
[12:15] <nefertati> scognito : and?
[12:15] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  si ho ricompilato
[12:16] <Scognito> Elw0od_21, eh eh ciao :)
[12:16] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  ciao :)
[12:16] <Scognito> and then restart X
[12:16] <Scognito> nefertati, ctrl alt del
[12:16] <nefertati> scognito : ok
[12:16] <Scognito> and logon under X again
[12:17] <nefertati> scognito : and? then its ok ?
[12:17] <paperflake> can any1 help with xserver not starting due to fonts not correct ?
[12:17] <Scognito> should be
[12:17] <nefertati> scognito : ok thank you .... :)
[12:18] <Scognito> does it works?
[12:18] <nefertati> scognito : me?
[12:19] <Scognito> yes
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'm in windows now
[12:19] <Scognito> ah ok
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'll to try this now
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'll to go try this now
[12:20] <Scognito> ok
[12:40] <esoteric> morning
[12:41] <cenerentola> ciao
[12:42] <esoteric> ello
[12:43] <toxicsludge> hello
[12:44] <linux_galore> dont you hate it when you have this really great idea in your head all day at work then get home and you cant remember what it was
[12:44] <toxicsludge> pxe boot doesnt seem to like the ubuntu mirrors
[12:44] <toxicsludge> says it cannot find the release file
[12:44] <esoteric> maybe the idea was "go home" :)
[12:44] <linux_galore> no it was some distro idea a user baught something up and I was thinking...hmm why doesnt anyone fix that
[12:45] <esoteric> anyone know of any round about ways to get ubuntu to do RAID1 on /boot ?
[12:45] <linux_galore> Linux isnt really good at raid1 better of with raid5
[12:46] <esoteric> during installation only given option for raid or rai1
[12:46] <esoteric> raid1 even
[12:46] <esoteric> uggg
[12:46] <esoteric> sorry raid0 and raid 1
[12:46] <Kano> hi
[12:46] <linux_galore> not good considering raid1 and Linux suck
[12:46] <Kano> i would like to know if the full kernel source or only a part of it is included by default
[12:47] <dredg> i have never had a problem with raid1 on linux
[12:47] <linux_galore> why would they only do part of the source ??
[12:47] <Kano> linux_galore: well to be able to compile drivers later
[12:47] <Kano> what is included by default
[12:47] <netmonk> does anyone know how can I get suspend or stand-by on my toshiba?
[12:48] <linux_galore> dredg: it works but when you bench mark it you can see Linux is having problems swap to raid5 and Linux suddenly goes into turbo mode
[12:48] <linux_galore> Chris Perens did a report debunking Microsofts tests using raid1 with Linux
[12:49] <linux_galore> basically swap to raid5
[12:51] <linux_galore> netmonk: poke around http://www.google.com/linux  just enter the model number and the term suspend
[12:52] <chz> has anybody played with the gdesklets?
[12:53] <chz> i'm trying it out rite now...theres a cool lil chat applet that im using as i type...
[12:53] <linux_galore> (is a closet kde user)
[12:53] <nefertati> scognito : thanks it worked.. :)
[12:55] <Rubukie> hi
[12:55] <linux_galore> hai Rubukie
[12:55] <Rubukie> I am installing ubuntu 4.10 but when grub installation comes up I can't intall it in the floppy. What am I donig wrong?
[12:56] <Rubukie> hi linux galore
[12:56] <Beagle2> hello, how do I replace old libc6 in sarge with libc6-i686?
[12:57] <jdub> Beagle2: you don't, you just install libc6-i686 as well
[12:57] <netmonk> 10x linux_galore
[12:57] <jdub> Beagle2: same as ubuntu
[12:57] <Rubukie> I tried specifing /dev/fd0 or (fd0) but nothing happens. Does anyone know if it is possible?
[12:58] <Beagle2> jdub: apt-get says it has unmet dependencies
[12:58] <linux_galore> Rubukie: what about /floppy
[12:59] <Beagle2> jdub: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) but 2.3.2.ds1-16 is to be installed
[12:59] <jdub> Beagle2: are you using ubuntu?
[01:00] <Beagle2> jdub: no, I am using sarge
[01:00] <Beagle2> jdub: I want to switch to ubuntu.
[01:00] <jdub> Beagle2: that's going to be hard, i recommend you do a fresh install
[01:00] <jdub> Beagle2: or follow the guide on the wiki
[01:00] <Beagle2> I don't have a cdrom...
[01:01] <Beagle2> I guess I can get some tarball and unpack it?
[01:01] <Beagle2> (I don't have a cdrom drive)
[01:01] <linux_galore> why the need for libc-i686 anyway its not always going to give you a performance boot in fact in some cases it will slow things down
[01:02] <linux_galore> boost*
[01:02] <Beagle2> linux_galore: I can't install ubuntu-base
[01:03] <Beagle2> and I want to upgrade my X
[01:03] <linux_galore> Beagle2: x.org ??
[01:04] <Beagle2> linux_galore: no, just from <IP_ADDRESS> to whatever
[01:04] <Beagle2> 0.99?
[01:04] <Beagle2> linux_galore: ubuntu has X.org?
[01:04] <linux_galore> Beagle2: most people are swapping to x.org  my new slackware install is running it
[01:05] <linux_galore> Beagle2: next release Ive been told
[01:05] <Beagle2> my fedora too.
[01:05] <Amaranth> hoary either has it or will soon
[01:05] <Beagle2> actually, I just want my dri to work.
[01:05] <linux_galore> hmm OpenGL transparencies
[01:06] <Amaranth> i just want my ATI Radeon 7000 to not screw up text on bzFlag
[01:06] <Beagle2> I don't know if RENDER use opengl.
[01:06] <linux_galore> Beagle2: dont need dri with nvidia driver its built in
[01:06] <Beagle2> linux_galore: it's prosavage8 something according to lspci..
[01:06] <linux_galore> aaah
[01:08] <linux_galore> been looking at the IBM T series laptops like everyone told me....bloody things all have ATi video chipsets....bummer
[01:08] <Beagle2> does ubuntu has base.tgz something?
[01:08] <linux_galore> hai sid
[01:10] <Beagle2> I don't want to download cd, i just want minimum system without desktops.
[01:10] <mjg59> linux_galore: If you want power management to work on a laptop, an ATI chipset is a much better choice at the moment
[01:10] <linux_galore> Beagle2: well I would just use Debian then
[01:11] <mjg59> Beagle2: No (and nor does Debian nowadays)
[01:11] <linux_galore> mjg59: yeah but no 3D driver
[01:11] <mjg59> linux_galore: ATI have a closed one
[01:11] <Beagle2> linux_galore, mjg59 ok, thanks.
[01:11] <linux_galore> mjg59: and no 64 bit render suport in the Linux drivers
[01:11] <Beagle2> i always get debian's base tarball and upgrade from that.
[01:12] <Amaranth> the open source ati driver is getting much better with 3d support for newer cards too
[01:12] <Beagle2> thanks anyway.
[01:13] <linux_galore> I like to play games now and again and I was like..well if Im going to fork out lots of $$$ for this IBM laptop it better have decent 3d games support
[01:14] <linux_galore> IBM only seem to use Intel Extreme and ATi for video now in their new laptops
[01:16] <linux_galore> hmmm might just get a no brand AMD64 laptop with nvidia for the same price as a IBM Centrino based model
[01:16] <Treenaks> centrinos are way better at battery life afik
[01:16] <Treenaks> +a
[01:16] <linux_galore> yeah but not as future proof
[01:17] <linux_galore> also AMD are about to release a mobile version of the AMD64
[01:17] <linux_galore> might wait
[01:18] <linux_galore> or just grab a second hand IBM T20/390
[01:20] <Treenaks> anyone here going to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference/ ?
[01:21] <linux_galore> oooh goody a heckle fest
[01:24] <linux_galore> oh cool just noticed a nice TNEF file viewer...save me having to write a script plugin
[01:24] <uman> linux_galore: so that's where you are hiding
[01:24] <uman> hehe
[01:24] <uman> <- taters here
[01:24] <linux_galore> yeah just got bored
[01:25] <uman> this channel is normally pretty entertaining and helpful
[01:25] <uman> you should have been here when they had the discussion about the pr0n artwork, heh
[01:25] <linux_galore> yeah bit slow today I think everyone has gone to bed
[01:25] <sid77> one of my friend is having trouble with ubuntu/ppc: no packages shows up in synaptic, even after update. any ideas?
[01:25] <chemaja> i'm awake
[01:26] <|rufius|> hmmm, how do you update the gnome menus?
[01:26] <linux_galore> uman: pfft @ pr0n artwork  I see worse stuff at the train station every day
[01:26] <Treenaks> linux_galore: you do? which train station is that? :P
[01:26] <uman> yeah
[01:27] <uman> I took that screen with the 3 beautiful people and just whacked a crux on it replacing the ubuntu
[01:27] <linux_galore> Treenaks: Town Hall always has these lingerie posters on the wall
[01:27] <Treenaks> linux_galore: city/country? :)
[01:27] <linux_galore> Sydney
[01:27] <Treenaks> ah.. the other side of the planet :)
[01:28] <Treenaks> (not that we don't have pictures like that everywhere here in .nl :))
[01:28] <linux_galore> watch the ethnic TV station (sbs) here and you never need to rent a pr0n movie again lol
[01:28] <uman> Treenaks: hahaha, not naked enough for the Netherlands
[01:29] <linux_galore> sbs TV has Queer As Folk on now with guys shagging each other and blowing each other off
[01:29] <linux_galore> and thats Gov owned free to air
[01:30] <linux_galore> so the whole ubuntu wallpaper thing was pretty tame for me
[01:31] <linux_galore> know what I thought as soon as I saw the ubuntu wallpaper.....some redneck will complain some how because there are mixed races holding hands
[01:31] <linux_galore> and Bingo i was right
[01:32] <Treenaks> linux_galore: look at the logo again.. see some similarity?
[01:33] <blokkie> how do I play mpeg or mpg's  ?
[01:33] <blokkie> totem shows a black screen
[01:33] <linux_galore> Treenaks: yes noticed that
[01:33] <uman> I thought it is some great artwork, and pretty people, too
[01:33] <linux_galore> blokkie: I use ogg or xine....ogg is the simplest
[01:34] <uman> <- mostly uses kmplayer
[01:34] <liten> vlc is kinda easy, since it comes with most codecs builtin
[01:34] <Treenaks> blokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[01:35] <linux_galore> Treenaks: only thing I see missing in the picture is an asian  should be white black asian
[01:36] <blokkie> which package contains xine ?
[01:37] <uman> linux_galore: they're very sneaky
[01:37] <Treenaks> blokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[01:37] <blokkie> Treenaks,  I read that
[01:37] <blokkie> ogg theora .. installed that .. now how to use that ?
[01:38] <linux_galore> uman: also they make up over 52% of the worlds population (asians) big market to ignore
[01:38] <Treenaks> blokkie: it's just a codec.. so get some movie in ogg/theora format and play them..
[01:38] <blokkie> but I have mpeg
[01:38] <linux_galore> blokkie: mp3 or mp4
[01:39] <uman> kmplayer plays all that for me fine
[01:39] <Treenaks> linux_galore: mpeg video  I think
[01:39] <linux_galore> uman: kmplayer is just a UI for mplayer
[01:39] <uman> I normally use gmplayer, but had some issue with alsa
[01:39] <blokkie> mplayer is not in my repo
[01:39] <blokkie>  ubuntu 64 AMD
[01:40] <linux_galore> blokkie: mplayer is the backend to kmplayer you cant have kmplayer without mplayer installed
[01:41] <blokkie> linux_galore, fine .. but I don't have any of them :-)
[01:41] <uman> linux_galore: for me gmplayer never managed playlists properly
[01:41] <uman> works great in kmplayer
[01:41] <blokkie> where do I get mplayer / gmplayer / kmplayer ?
[01:41] <uman> doe subuntu use some package manager ?
[01:41] <uman> does ubuntu ^
[01:42] <linux_galore> blokkie: mplayer is pretty much the "plays everything" tool although I find for comercial restricted DVD's ogg seems to work better and so does xine
[01:42] <blokkie> linux_galore,  fine , whatever .. but I don't have xine or mplayer .. and they are not in my repo's when I do apt-cache search ...
[01:42] <linux_galore> uman: yeah apt-get  its based on debian and you can use synaptic if your a point and click person
[01:42] <uman> linux_galore: xine does the DVD menus, true
[01:43] <uman> but for everything else I use kmplayer
[01:43] <uman> ok, for real audio streams I use mplayer
[01:43] <linux_galore> uman: the mplayer team are starting the whole thing from scratch they said what they ended up with was too messy
[01:43] <uman> I would agree
[01:44] <linux_galore> uman: you try streamtuned yet
[01:44] <uman> they need some serious rewrite of their gui, to
[01:44] <uman> too
[01:44] <uman> it never worked properly
[01:44] <uman> linux_galore: no
[01:44] <uman> haven't tried it
[01:45] <linux_galore> uman: its actually pretty cool it streams audio and has a very nice UI very simple looks like a car stereo UI
[01:45] <uman> I shall try it out
[01:45] <Treenaks> car stereo UIs suck, imho
[01:47] <uman> looks interesting
[01:47] <linux_galore> could be worse...could have the weird BMW 5 series all in one controller that no one can figure out
[01:49] <linux_galore> anyway time for bed
[01:49] <linux_galore> l8ter folks
[01:55] <theine> anybody else having sound problems under hoary?
[01:59] <djtansey> I'm having an interesting problem. I just came back from a weekend out (i had my laptop with me). I just got back to my desk. i am getting considerably more quiet sound. the settings in gnome-volume-manager are all the same. guesses? things i can check?
[02:00] <menglef> hello ubuntu people, i need some advice
[02:00] <mercurus> djtansey: are both speakers working ? are the hard-set volume controls at the same level ? Try using ALSA mixer to reset things
[02:00] <mercurus> menglef: what's up ?
[02:00] <menglef> ive made a new machine for graphic/web design. and i need bluefish and scribus
[02:01] <djtansey> mercurus: my x40 only has one. and i've tried headphones, external speakers (which can usually get unbearably loud), and just the regular speakers.
[02:01] <menglef> as a debian user, id like to say, wow, ubuntu was easy as could be to set up for desktop use
[02:01] <mercurus> menglef: you'll find them in the universe repository ... see the Wiki or the HowTos for information about enabling that repository with Synaptic or by manually editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:02] <djtansey> menglef: that isn't hard.
[02:02] <menglef> yeah im used to debian and xfree problems
[02:02] <mercurus> djtansey: ThinkPad X40 ? (nice :) have you rebooted at all ?
[02:03] <djtansey> menglef: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse -- put that in (it should be there but commented) then (as root) apt-get update. then apt-get install scribus bluefish
[02:03] <menglef> perfect
[02:04] <theine> How do I get ``Umlauts'' in GNOME?
[02:04] <theine> They are not properly displayed right now
[02:04] <djtansey> mercurus: yeah. when i first plugged it in i didn't have any sound what-so-ever. i assumed there was some resource issue or going to/back from suspend problem or being docked after having been booted (and suspended/unsuspended) without being docked.
[02:05] <theine> Also danish/german/swedish keyboards do not really work
[02:05] <djtansey> mercurus: so i rebooted. i had sound (actually had to killall esd. rhythmbox wouldn't have sound. then when i started rhythembox again and i got /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 26 -- but still quiet sound
[02:06] <mercurus> djtansey: esd didn't start automatically ?
[02:06] <djtansey> theine: just responding so you know i'm paying attention -- i have never used non-US keyboards so i can't help. stick around. there are a lot of nice people who will help if they can.
[02:07] <theine> mercurus: it starts automatically but it blocks the sound device
[02:07] <djtansey> mercurus: it did. but not with those settings. it was something else. i can't remember exactly what but it was a much shorter line.
[02:07] <theine> djtansey: sounds good
[02:07] <mercurus> is this warty or Hoary ?
[02:08] <theine> For me it's Hoary
[02:08] <djtansey> mercurus: warty. i installed the preview release and have apt-get updated to the latest packages
[02:09] <mercurus> djtansey: hmm ... have you had any ALSA issues in the past ? or esd issues ?
[02:09] <djtansey> mercurus: but i haven't added or removed anything except xscorch since i last used it on my speakers at a reasonable level (and it's not awful -- i just have the external speakers turned up ALL THE WAY to play at a reasonable pleasant listening volume)
[02:10] <djtansey> mercurus: not really. sound worked out of the box. here's another issue
[02:10] <djtansey> mercurus: now sometimes when it switches from song to song it says resource busy. can't open resource.
[02:10] <mercurus> djtansey: I had that exact problem until I got the lates updates ... (and re-installed) and it has been flawless since
[02:11] <djtansey> mercurus: i can recreate that by clicking the "next" button rapidly -- but not if i click it with any delay
[02:11] <pisuke> djtansey, same message here with stop/play in totem
[02:11] <theine> what do you mean ``got the latest updates and re-installed''?
[02:11] <mercurus> theine: I got the latest updates, and re-installed
[02:12] <mercurus> separate actions, but between them, the ALSA issue disappear
[02:12] <mercurus> *ed
[02:12] <djtansey> mercurus: you mean you had gotten the latest updates and they didn't work so you reinstalled from scratch?
[02:12] <mercurus> djtansey: that was the order I took, aye ...
[02:12] <theine> mercurus: like wiped your partition and re-installed ubuntu?
[02:12] <djtansey> mercurus: are you at the current versions now? can't say i'm looking forward to a reinstall
[02:12] <mercurus> re-installing rhythm-box might work though
[02:12] <mercurus> djtansey: yes
[02:13] <theine> or re-installing esd
[02:13] <mercurus> but I kept all the updated packages, and added them as a repository and refused to use apt
[02:13] <mercurus> -get online during the install
[02:14] <djtansey> mercurus, theine: going to try both
[02:14] <theine> djtansey: do mplayer or totem work fine for you?
[02:15] <djtansey> theine: i didn't try totem but mplayer was equally soft sound
[02:16] <djtansey> theine, mercurus: going in and out of gnome to test. i'll brb.
[02:19] <djtansey> nothing -- same issue. shall i try gstreamer-esd?
[02:20] <djtansey> any debugging i can do? any volume control apps that would do more than gnome-volume-manager?
[02:20] <mercurus> djtansey: you can try alsamixer
[02:21] <theine> djtansey: any success?
[02:23] <djtansey> alsamixer didn't help.
[02:24] <djtansey> could just affect the sound changing master and pcm -- but those were the same settings i had before. 100% master and 80% PCM
[02:24] <djtansey> (any more PCM and it gets crackly -- that was the same as before)
[02:24] <djtansey> btw, i tested with totem. same thing
[02:25] <chibifs> Erm. That's normal.
[02:25] <chibifs> PCM is soft overamping.
[02:25] <ryan> i hope nvidia releases an alsa version of their audio driver with hardware mixing soon
[02:25] <chibifs> It's smart to never have it over 50%
[02:25] <ryan> i could throw my sblive in but i don't want to bother when the onboard sound on my nforce2 rocks
[02:25] <chibifs> Starting some programs will boost it back up. >.>
[02:25] <djtansey> chibifs: no -- that's not the issue. the issue is it isn't as loud as it was a few days ago. all of my sound (except i've-pressed-backspace-too-many-times-in-a-console) is more quiet than it was
[02:26] <chibifs> Hmm.  Don't know what to say. :/
[02:27] <ryan> djtansey: is it an integrated carD?
[02:28] <crimsun> djtansey: blacklist snd-intel8x0m
[02:28] <djtansey> crimsun: do you know anything about it?
[02:28] <djtansey> ryan: it's a laptop, so yeah.
[02:28] <ryan> ah
[02:28] <ryan> djtansey: know what kind of chipset it uses?
[02:28] <crimsun> well, at least you're getting sound. That's a good sign.
[02:29] <ryan> if its sis it might be the sis7012 audio codec, which uses the intel 810 driver
[02:29] <crimsun> the issues I've seen are no sound, or invalid codec 0.
[02:29] <ryan> 8x0
[02:29] <ryan> and the sis7012 audio blows ass in anything other than windows anyway; the mixer is either 0 (off) or 1 through 100 (on)
[02:29] <crimsun> for the former case, you want to disable the modem and the printer port in bios. You also want to blacklist snd-intel8x0m.
[02:30] <crimsun> for the latter case, you want to use "noapic".
[02:30] <ryan> my nforce's realtek audio chip uses the intel 8x0 driver too
[02:30] <obos> I kinda forgot my password for nickserv.. is that bad? i registered yesterday on another ip
[02:30] <crimsun> (the latter case usually requires a very recent version of alsa-driver, too.)
[02:30] <ghostrifle> does anyone know how i can "speedthrottle" my laptop ?? acpi is running (ps shows me kacpid).. but the fun is running like hell
[02:30] <crimsun> obos: ask in #freenode
[02:30] <djtansey> ryan: i think it's an intel. remember from getting the laptop (x40) -- but i can't find anything about it in dmesg
[02:30] <obos> 10-4
[02:31] <ryan> is the sblive the ONLY card that has properly working hardware mixing in linux or what
[02:31] <djtansey> crimsun: noapic?
[02:32] <ryan> i'd say unix but maybe sun's proprietary audio controllers work fine :P
[02:32] <Mithrandir> ryan: no.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> ryan: I have a hercules thingy which works excellent.
[02:32] <crimsun> djtansey: sometimes that resolves the "invalid codec 0" issue. It's a hit n' miss issue. You can see that error in the output of dmesg.
[02:32] <ryan> Mithrandir: oh?
[02:32] <ryan> Mithrandir: is it a muse XL?
[02:32] <ryan> 4channel card
[02:32] <ryan> with '3d' sound
[02:33] <crimsun> obos: is geert resolving the issue with your nickserv passwd?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> muse XL?  no, based around cs4xxx, iirc.
[02:33] <Mithrandir> 5.1, iirc.
[02:33] <obos> crimsun, yes, I got a new one :)
[02:34] <crimsun> obos: good deal :)
[02:34] <ryan> mm, well the last time i used that card it used a cmedia driver or some sort iirc
[02:34] <djtansey> crimsun: but how do i use noapic? do i pass it to my kernel with grub?
[02:34] <ryan> i got the card in another computer, but i also managed to snag the cd
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: correct.
[02:34] <ryan> which says musexl on it
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: append it to the kernel line
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: but first check the output of `dmesg' for those "invalid codec 0" errors.
[02:34] <ryan> the people i got it from, well, they don't know anything about computers and probably just bought the cheapest thing from radio shack possible ;)
[02:35] <crimsun> djtansey: if you don't have those, it's not worth trying that option.
[02:35] <crimsun> djtansey: the first thing I'd try is blacklisting snd-intel8x0m and rebooting.
[02:35] <djtansey> crimsun: didn't find any. the word invalid (or Invalid) anywhere
[02:36] <djtansey> crimsun: where is the blacklist list? i have forgotten
[02:36] <crimsun> djtansey: ok, you don't need the "noapic" option. Try the first suggestion.
[02:37] <crimsun> djtansey: you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base or /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:37] <djtansey> crimsun: just did the latter. thanks. i'll see you in a minute.
[02:43] <huttan> when i try to build a module for ati driver using make-kpkg it says it cant find drm.h, im using standard ubuntu kernel, anyone know how to fix this ?
[02:44] <crimsun> huttan: the binary-only fgl driver?
[02:44] <huttan> crimsun, hm..i downloaded 2 deb files, driver and kernel
[02:45] <crimsun> huttan: they're already in the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages in Ubuntu
[02:45] <ryan> is the new nvidia driver going to make it into hoary?
[02:45] <crimsun> ryan: yes.
[02:46] <ryan> whew
[02:46] <crimsun> ryan: they just entered Sid yesterday, so they'll be in Hoary shortly.
[02:46] <huttan> crimsun, cool
[02:46] <ryan> excellent
[02:46] <huttan> crimsun, any idea how i install them ?
[02:46] <obos> my amsn hangs after a while.. :(
[02:46] <djtansey> crimsun: nothing -- i blacklisted it an it was still loaded! i even blacklisted it in both files and rebooted agian. nothing.
[02:46] <crimsun> huttan: in Synaptic, look for the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages
[02:46] <ryan> heh
[02:47] <ryan> djtansey: yeah, i had a brutal fight with the hotplug stuff
[02:47] <ryan> it refused to stop loading alsa stuff
[02:47] <crimsun> djtansey: ok, more drastic measures. sudo rm -f /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko
[02:47] <ryan> i ended up just moving the code modules away
[02:47] <ryan> s/code/core/
[02:47] <ryan> but then the hardware mixing appeared to stop working with the nforce driver anyway
[02:47] <ryan> much to my discontent
[02:48] <crimsun> the soundstorm is capable of hardware multiopen, but Nvidia refuses to open the specs. Unfortunately one's stuck w/ the snd-intel8x0 driver.
[02:48] <ryan> yeah
[02:48] <ryan> i'm not even sure if my nforce2 has soundstorm
[02:49] <ryan> mines always identified as a realtek alcsomething
[02:49] <huttan> crimsun, kk, now i just modprobe it and change driver in XF86config ?
[02:50] <djtansey> well, i gtg. thanks for the help. i'll try that.
[02:51] <website> hi to all
[02:51] <crimsun> huttan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto has the caveats
[02:51] <crimsun> huttan: but essentially, yes.
[02:51] <ghostrifle> argh.... how can I compile my own kernel with ubuntu ?? I've installed the kernel-headers(the source ?? ) but a 'sudo make menuconfig' doesn't work cause ncurses-devel is missing.. but there's no ncurses-devel-thingy in apt
[02:51] <website> is ubsplash (or ubuntu splash) already relased?
[02:51] <jdub> website: no
[02:52] <crimsun> ghostrifle: libncurses-dev
[02:52] <jdub> ghostrifle: apt-cache search ncurses dev -> you'll find it
[02:52] <ryan> realtek alc650 thats it
[02:52] <website> jdub, can i have the sources?
[02:52] <crimsun> ghostrifle: and you need the kernel-source
[02:52] <jdub> website: it doesn't exist yet
[02:53] <website> ????
[02:53] <ghostrifle> crimsun, not the headers ??? well... but there's just 2.6.7 in apt ... but the kernel from the cdrom is <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:53] <crimsun> ghostrifle: if you want to compile your own kernel, you need the kernel-source
[02:53] <crimsun> ghostrifle: pardon, it's linux-source*
[02:53] <ghostrifle> ah.. ok
[02:54] <thoreauputic> apart from build-essential what packages are needed for a working compiler etc? gcc g++ make automake ?
[02:54] <crimsun> (I'm used to Debian Sid terminology, sorry)
[02:54] <crimsun> thoreauputic: that should be it.
[02:54] <crimsun> build-essential gets you the base.
[02:54] <website> jdub, in a ubuntu page there is written that it will be relased with wartydog, isn't it?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> hmm OK thanks
[02:54] <huttan> crimsun, it wont install fglrx-driver when i apt-get it
[02:55] <crimsun> huttan: is universe in your sources.list? Or did you add it via Synaptic?
[02:55] <ryan> crimsun: were you a debian dev?
[02:55] <huttan> crimsun, synaptic
[02:55] <jdub> website: it was planned for hoary (our next release), but it is not at the top of our priority list atm
[02:55] <ryan> (were/are)
[02:55] <crimsun> ryan: nope.
[02:55] <huttan> and yes, universe is in it
[02:56] <website> jdub, i want to help ubuntu developers to develop it. who must i contact?
[02:56] <crimsun> huttan: would you paste the errors in #flood please?
[02:57] <huttan> crimsun, sure
[02:57] <jdub> website: hm, no one's actively working on it atm
[02:58] <phill> how can i get the rss-glx screensavers working?
[02:59] <tuxx> Hello
[02:59] <crimsun> huttan: where did you get the flgrx*4.3.0* debs?
[02:59] <website> -__-
[02:59] <aakrosh> hi everybody..
[02:59] <crimsun> hullo
[02:59] <aakrosh> am a newbie for gnome..have been using kde
[03:00] <Agabus> hey people
[03:00] <aakrosh> facing some problems
[03:00] <Unfun> hello ubuntu
[03:00] <aakrosh> could somebody help me
[03:00] <seb128> phill: you might be interested by https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3042
[03:00] <tuxx> I have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file
[03:00] <Unfun> anyone awake?
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, the link from dpkg in #debian
[03:00] <Agabus> well i'm awake Unfun but no-one seems to be saying hello :(
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, might have fixed it, lemme restart X
[03:00] <Unfun> I'm trying to install ubuntu base system and it goes fine until it tries to install lib6c-i686 i get an error, unable to download libc6-i686
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, brb
[03:00] <tuxx> I'm not sure whether it's a Gnome-issue or Ubuntu-issue
[03:01] <aakrosh> actually nautilus takes forever to open folders and most of the apps crash..
[03:01] <aakrosh> i am at a loss
[03:01] <phill> seb128: thanks, but i got it working ,there was as script :)
[03:01] <website> who is thre project manager of usplash?
[03:02] <aLi> i have no cd-rom, how can i install ubuntu with floppy ?
[03:02] <aakrosh> was wondering if any of you are facing the same problem
[03:02] <seb128> phill: so why asking ? :)
[03:02] <Unfun> Does ubuntu actually download packages from the internet during the base install?
[03:02] <phill> i asked, and then figured it out :D
[03:02] <seb128> phill: ok
[03:02] <Mithrandir> Unfun: not if you install using CD, no
[03:03] <Agabus> why does Ubuntu not detect my 80gig FAT32 secondary IDE hard drive and put it in mnt or wherever after fresh install??
[03:03] <Unfun> Mithrandir i have the one 500mb cd.
[03:03] <Unfun> Does that one have all the base packages?
[03:03] <Mithrandir> Unfun: yes, it has all the packages
[03:04] <Unfun> Wonder why i'm getting a cannot download libc6-i686 then when installing from cd.
[03:04] <crimsun> there's no 'i' in it.
[03:05] <crimsun> err, n/m
[03:05] <crimsun> I'm a bit slow this morning.
[03:05] <BeTa> does anyone know what's the software wich manage my laptop's fans w/ ubuntu (but I think I can enlarge this question to all linuxes ;c))
[03:06] <ghostrifle> BetA: what processor are you using ??
[03:06] <ghostrifle> amd athlon ??
[03:06] <BeTa> PPC G4
[03:07] <sjoerd> BeTa: what kind machine ? albook ?
[03:07] <BeTa> PowerBook 15" 1.5GHz
[03:07] <sjoerd> BeTa: that's an albook, the kernel itself does it
[03:07] <ghostrifle> argh... how can I install this linux-k7 stuff..... the default (386??) kernel from ubuntu does support all the athlon stuff....
[03:07] <Amaranth> can someone do me a favor?
[03:08] <Amaranth> run apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 and paste the version
[03:08] <ghostrifle> synaptic tells me something from unresolved dependencies when I select the linux-kernel-k7 thing
[03:08] <BeTa> sjoerd: mmm... I supsect that fans are not activated enough... and that can be the reason of various random crashes...
[03:09] <BeTa> sjoerd: is there a solution to make my fans more sensitive ?
[03:09] <chibifs> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25
[03:09] <sjoerd> BeTa: echo -10 > /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust
[03:10] <sjoerd> BeTa: you can find the temperatures in /sys/devices/temperatures too
[03:10] <tuxx> I have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file. How do I disable that feature?
[03:10] <chibifs> Don't use nautilus. :D
[03:10] <chibifs> nautilus is smelly.
[03:11] <BeTa> sjoerd: great... I've forgotten looking into /sys :cb
[03:11] <jamaas> I've lost my oss sound drivers, can anyone tell me how to restore my oss sound drivers, without knowing how I'm reduced to alsa only... thanks :-/
[03:11] <tuxx> I've googled with no luck - prob. because I don't know what to google for :-)
[03:11] <jdub> tuxx: that's a bug in the file type detection atm
[03:11] <Unfun> I really want to use ubuntu but i can't figure this error out.
[03:11] <BeTa> fsckin' 2.4 reflexes
[03:12] <tuxx> jdub can I make a passaround? Firefox won't let me open it so I'm guessing it's because of that.
[03:12] <BeTa> sjoerd: cat /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust : 0
[03:12] <BeTa> is that ok A?
[03:12] <tuxx> jdub it's not a possibility to rename it as it's streamed video from a website
[03:12] <crimsun> jamaas: you're absolutely positive you prefer oss/free over alsa? the former's deprecated...
[03:12] <jdub> tuxx: dunno why firefox has a problem with it
[03:13] <chibifs> crimsun: Don't forget slower. :P
[03:13] <jamaas> crimsun: I'm not sure of anything, just that half of my sound programs won't work without oss ?  Does this make sense?
[03:13] <Treenaks> tuxx: does the icon change when you click it?
[03:13] <Treenaks> (that's a problem I'm having..)
[03:13] <tuxx> jdub me neither but I'm guessing it's because Gnome think it's evil. http://konsol.tv2.dk/konsol2/flad/kanal/607106 is the site I'm trying to use
[03:13] <BeTa> GPU Tc : 59 | CPU Tc : 48C
[03:13] <tuxx> Treenaks sometimes yes.. from one to another and then back like the wind changes
[03:14] <crimsun> jamaas: sure, makes sense. Does your sound work now?
[03:14] <BeTa> sjoerd: great !! your advise made my fan running :c)
[03:15] <jamaas> crimsun: it does for some programs but not for others like voip, skype
[03:15] <sjoerd> BeTa: those temperatures are quite normal (atleast on my 1.25 ghz 15")
[03:15] <crimsun> jamaas: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? check via lsmod
[03:16] <BeTa> sjoerd: I want to understand where is the bug in my system to understand why it's crashing
[03:16] <BeTa> sjoerd: you never get any random crashes ?
[03:16] <BeTa> (so I want to isolate some possible crashing problems)
[03:17] <jamaas> crimsun: no I don't ... should I modprobe it? or do I need something more specific?  Thanks
[03:17] <crimsun> jamaas: yes, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[03:17] <crimsun> jamaas: which alsa driver are you using?
[03:18] <wfx> poweroff does not work, where do i find the infos to get it also work under ubuntu
[03:18] <theine> wfx: what's your machine?
[03:18] <jamaas> crimsun:  .....  I give up, which one is it  ??  I can check in synaptic or something?
[03:18] <jamaas> crimsun: I think it is still whatever is standard in warty ?
[03:18] <sjoerd> BeTa: nope
[03:19] <thoreauputic> wfx: have you tried  sudo modprobe apm ? and adding apm to /etc/modules ?
[03:19] <theine> jamaas: what does ``sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss'' give you?
[03:19] <wfx> theine, pc with amd cpu mainboard is gibayte, yes i have test it with apm
[03:19] <benjanet> my GL screensavers goes to black screen...any ideas
[03:19] <theine> wfx: no clue in that case
[03:20] <wfx> thoreauputic, yes i have it test with apm
[03:20] <crimsun> jamaas: you can check via the Volume Control program in the Applications>Multimedia menu
[03:20] <thoreauputic> wfx: no good?
[03:20] <theine> wfx: and you do have the apm module loaded, right?
[03:21] <jamaas> crimsun: Thanks a bunch mate, that fixed it in one easy instruction!  How can I make this load correctly the next time I boot?
[03:21] <wfx> yes
[03:22] <wfx> it have work with other distribution... so it must als work with ubuntu
[03:22] <theine> wfx: and you are running apmd
[03:22] <theine> ?
[03:22] <crimsun> jamaas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[03:23] <wfx> theine, no apmd is running
[03:23] <jamaas> crimsun: I hear ya!
[03:23] <crimsun> jamaas: make sure you enable oss emulation
[03:23] <theine> wfx: that might be the reason then
[03:23] <theine> wfx: wait, it is running you say?
[03:24] <wfx> theine, ps -xa | grep apm say yes it is up
[03:24] <wfx> 6212 ?        Ss     0:00 apmd
[03:25] <theine> wfx: I guess you're really unlucky in this case
[03:25] <wfx> theine, i test it, back in 1min. :-)
[03:26] <jamaas> crimsun: Thanks mate, well thats that crisis tous jour overcome !! On to the next, help much appreciated :)
[03:28] <kent> my brother has a usb-modem (adsl) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(
[03:32] <wfx> theine, i have add noacpi acpi=off now it works
[03:33] <theine> wfx: good to hear that
[03:33] <theine> wfx: what's your machine by the way?
[03:34] <wfx> theine, it a normal pc with an amd cpu, what info you want
[03:34] <theine> wfx: right, i already asked...
[03:35] <wfx> hmmm, now rhythmbox make some prob... GStreamer-WARNING **: inconsistent state information , fix threading please
[03:36] <theine> wfx: i think that's quite unrelated to apm/acpi
[03:37] <wfx> theine, rhythmbox, yes it is :)
[03:37] <wfx> hmm should i post my poweroff stuff?
[03:37] <wfx> ubuntuforum
[03:39] <theine> Openoffice doesn't seem to start up after I upgraded to Hoary. Anybody else encountered this?
[03:39] <pille> I'm looking for a good programmer editor... someone got a tip for me?
[03:39] <theine> vim
[03:39] <shaver> emacs
[03:39] <shaver> there, now we're done
[03:39] <pille> with gui :)
[03:39] <Mithrandir> emacs og vim
[03:39] <Mithrandir> s/og/or/
[03:40] <shaver> xemacs
[03:40] <wfx> argh, and now have i have some trouble with nautilus or samba
[03:41] <kstraka> good morning all, I've got an apache/SSL problem.  I'm trying to use .htaccess files with apache, and when I go and access an area I've got setup as protected, I get a 500 error. The log file says:
[03:41] <kstraka> [Mon Nov 08 09:23:30 2004]  [alert]  [client <IP_ADDRESS>]  /var/www/apache2-default/phpki-0.60/ca/.htaccess: Invalid command 'SSLRequireSSL', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[03:41] <kstraka> I have openSSL installed, is apache not aware of it?  I know SSLRequireSSL is a logal commandl any thoughts?
[03:41] <wfx> i leave have fun.
[03:42] <pille> thx emacs looks good - anything else? looking for sth like editplus or sth with scintilla
[03:44] <theine> Nobody else having problems with OpenOffice under Hoary?
[03:50] <Perc> hello
[03:50] <Perc> how's the default support for prism54 wlan cards in ubuntu?
[03:50] <theine> Where do I get mplayer-plugin as a deb-package?
[03:50] <Perc> eg. how much work do I have to do :)
[03:51] <gen> Hey guys
[03:51] <arun--> in vi, how to enable indentation? aligning with matching brackets automaticallY?
[03:52] <jpvcx> theine: it should be in multiverse
[03:52] <jonex> [Help]  I have problems with ubuntu not detecting my other partitions(ntfs, fat32 and reiserfs) I can't find them anywere :/
[03:53] <theine> jpvcx: Didn't find it there
[03:53] <theine> arun--: what does ``:set autoindent?'' and ``"set filetype?'' give you
[03:53] <theine> ?
[03:53] <drunken-wallaby> hi there...
[03:54] <theine> arun--: sorry, that's ``:set filetype?''
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Perc, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:54] <theine> jpvcx: wait in minute... what's ``multiverse''? I only looked in ``universe''...
[03:55] <gen> do any of you guys use azureus
[03:55] <gen> i used it on windows, how should it be on here? gargatuan memory leaks?
[03:56] <theine> holy shit! I didn't know about multiverse...
[03:56] <jpvcx> theine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[03:56] <gen> you just add multiverse to sources.list right
[03:56] <theine> jpvcx: thanks buddy
[03:56] <pille> How can I add items to the 'Application' menu?
[03:57] <jpvcx> gen: correct, it has some emu's (xmame/xmess snes9x)
[03:57] <arun--> theine: set filetype, just said, filetype=perl
[03:57] <gen> i just installed ubuntu, first linux distro for me about 5 minutes ago
[03:57] <theine> arun--: and ``:set autoindent?''
[03:58] <gen> can anyone help me update firefox to 1.0 rc1 or rc2
[03:58] <gen> using warty and its at .9.3
[03:59] <LinuxJones> gen, you can get the installer from the mozilla website and install from that
[03:59] <arun--> theine: autoindent also works, the subsequent lines always aligns with the start of the previous lines
[03:59] <theine> arun--: and what exactly doesn't work?
[04:00] <gen> LinuxJones: will do that, i'll let you know if i run into a mix up :)
[04:00] <arun--> theine: from what i see, autoindent, doesnt seem to align with matching brackets
[04:00] <LinuxJones> gen, the developers don't feel it is stable enough for the warty release, hopefully you won't have too many problems with it :)
[04:01] <theine> arun--: can you message me a code example?
[04:01] <arun--> theine: may be i am not clear in my question, where can i get to see the :set options for vi
[04:02] <theine> arun--: you mean the values of all options?
[04:02] <gen> linuxjones: then i'll wait, not a big deal
[04:02] <gen> when the official is out, could i apt-get it?
[04:02] <arun--> theine: that too, instead of asking people around,
[04:02] <drunken-wallaby> has anyone beed successful to get k3b to work without the .ICEautority problem? i folled the howto but i still do get the problem after burning
[04:02] <drunken-wallaby> followed of course :)
[04:03] <theine> arun--: you're right, it doesn't work in perl mode. Have you looked at vim.org?
[04:04] <markus__> Hi. Ahm, I got a funny but also tragic situation here: My Ubuntu plays every music (mp3, ogg) about twice as fast it should ... Any idea what's responsible and how to fix this?
[04:04] <theine> arun--: works fine in C-mode though...
[04:04] <arun--> theine: thank you for checking, i am heading to vim.org ..
[04:05] <theine> arun--: you're welcome
[04:06] <ryan> argh
[04:06] <ryan> how is ntp setup in ubuntu
[04:06] <ryan> ever since i started using it it keeps jumping ahead :P
[04:06] <ryan> it being ubuntu
[04:07] <ryan> it gains like 6 minutes in 12 hours
[04:07] <jdub> what are you running it on? a laptop with cpufreq support?
[04:07] <ryan> no
[04:07] <ryan> standard desktop system
[04:08] <gen> what's the easiest way to get/install mplayer
[04:08] <jdub> not sure
[04:08] <ryan> i've never experienced this issue before heh
[04:08] <ryan> then again i don't think i've ever used a kernel with so many modules loaded at once before
[04:09] <Perc> LinuxJones, thanks :)
[04:10] <LinuxJones> perc, np :)
[04:10] <ryan> firefox 1.0 final is supposed to be out tommorow
[04:10] <ryan> yay
[04:10] <Perc> finally
[04:11] <Scognito> but i think it will never go on warthy
[04:11] <arun--> theine: atleast in ubuntu vi, java and C works without any need to :set autoindent or :set filetype, it works perfect based on file extension.. except perl;)
[04:12] <theine> arun--: That's so weird... Unfortunately the only perl wizard I know uses Perl...
[04:12] <theine> sorry, ... uses emacs :)
[04:12] <jpvcx> gen:it should be in multiverse (or is that only in hoary?)
[04:13] <theine> is it possible to get a list of those packages I installed from 3rd-party repositories?
[04:14] <arun--> theine: there are some packages called vim-perl, vim-scripts, vim-python, vim-gtk ..i will install them and see, the description given for them are VI Improved perl support for vim ...
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> Hello
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> I'm new to ubuntu
[04:15] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: cool :) do you like it?
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> Yes :)
[04:16] <housetier> welcome RoBLiNuX_
[04:16] <RoBLiNuX_> I never tried gnome looking one seems nice and fast on my 634mhz celeron desktop linux box
[04:16] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks.. I'm also a newbie to linux is this the right distro for newbies?
[04:17] <pr3ttyb0y> HEllo its RobLinux here on my ubuntu :)
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> housetier?
[04:18] <Treenaks> pr3ttyb0y: logging in once is enough :)
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> no problem just trying this out
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> RobLInux is on my windows box (trillian irc)
[04:19] <mercurus> ok, I understand that audio-CD auto-play is handled outside the gnome-cd player ... but what is the application that launches gnome-cd ? (as directed in Computer -> Desktop Preferneces -> Drives and Media Preferences) ... is this nautilus ?
[04:20] <mjr> mercurus, gnome volume manager
[04:20] <RoBLiNuX_> Who here is a ubuntu expert?
[04:20] <Treenaks> most people ;)
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> I want to know if Ubuntu is a good distro for newbies?
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> ;0
[04:21] <shaver> yeah, I think it is
[04:21] <shaver> as much as any Linux distribution is
[04:21] <mjr> RoBLiNuX, it's supposed to be, and it gets pretty far in actuality too
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> And if Ubuntu ok with a celeron 634mhz ? or it needs more requirements?
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks mjs, shaver
[04:21] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: it works fine
[04:22] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you just told us :)
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks treenaks!
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> lol
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> What are the requirements?
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> Because it might run well here but hopefully it doesnt get slow
[04:22] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: i have an 666 mhz celeron
[04:22] <mjr> RoBLiNuX_, you'll probably want at least 128 megs of memory to enjoy the desktop
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> I have 256mb sdram
[04:22] <mjr> good
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> :)
[04:22] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: i advice you to get 256
[04:22] <mjr> shouldn't be a problem then
[04:23] <Treenaks> I have 192, and it's usable, as long as I don't run openoffic
[04:23] <Treenaks> that slows everything down to unusable..
[04:23] <theine> Treenaks: how much RAM do you have?
[04:23] <Treenaks> 192M
[04:24] <cardador> Treenaks: go for Abiword and Gnumeric :P
[04:24] <Treenaks> but my new laptop (next month, just in time for the conference!) will have 512
[04:24] <Treenaks> cardador: I'll settle for vim and LaTeX :P
[04:24] <theine> So the bottleneck is the CPU when using OpenOffice?
[04:24] <theine> Treenaks: fantastic choice
[04:24] <theine> Treenaks: especially the editor :)
[04:24] <cardador> one thing that puzzles me is that microsoft office running on crossover office is much more quick to load than any linux office
[04:24] <RoBLiNuX_> cool ,  I'm 18yrs old new to linux, good with windows 4yrs + , want to learn linux and leave windows as much as possible , now where do I begin? I dont wanna ask every question I have here because I know only 1 out of a big group is not gonna get ticked off , so I would like to know where to learn , like installing, running, etc
[04:25] <Treenaks> maarten: if you want Dutch support, try #ubuntu-nl :)
[04:25] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: well.. just use it basically :)
[04:25] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: go to ubuntu homepage, the try the FAQ and Wiki, you should get almost every answer to your questions
[04:25] <lhb> Treenaks: iam sure you can tell openoffice to use less
[04:25] <cardador> the -> then
[04:25] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: open a terminal (shell) and type 'man man' -- that'll give you the manual about manual reader :)
[04:25] <RoBLiNuX_> :) I like it because it comes with gaim, x-chat, mozilla firefox so it saved me from installing them ,
[04:26] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks treenaks
[04:26] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can go from there.. ldp.org maybe as well
[04:26] <RoBLiNuX_> I mean on my laptop here I have a few manuals on linux I downloaded so I'm gonna read them too
[04:26] <housetier> RoBLiNuX_ don't try to learn too much at once
[04:26] <housetier> RoBLiNuX_ take your time
[04:27] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: doing it one step at a time is best, but knowing where to find "the next step" is important as well :)
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> :) yup
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks housetier for the advice and treenaks!
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> You folks use window ?
[04:28] <mercurus> mjr: thank you :)
[04:28] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: I just use the standard Ubuntu installation (gnome) and Debian (www.debian.org)
[04:28] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: no windows for me :)
[04:29] <RoBLiNuX_> treenaks you said for me to open terminal (shell) but in system tools it says root terminal or terminal
[04:29] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: just the normal terminal
[04:31] <RoBLiNuX_> so i type man man
[04:32] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, man <command> usually gives you instructions on using that command.
[04:32] <RoBLiNuX_> i typed man it says what manual page do you want?
[04:32] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, so man man give syou instructions on using the man command.
[04:32] <RoBLiNuX_> oh yea lol
[04:33] <WebMaven> do you know how to get the list of files in a directory?
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> nope, im a newbie
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> I have like 10minutes I just started using it
[04:33] <WebMaven> well, the command is ls
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> I dont even know how to configure my looking
[04:33] <WebMaven> so, you can see all the options by doing man ls
[04:34] <RoBLiNuX_> yea
[04:34] <WebMaven> a common use is ls -al
[04:34] <gen> how do i edit sources.list
[04:35] <Amaranth> Is it possible for me to reinstall Ubuntu and have it not wipe out the partition that /home is mounted on?
[04:35] <arun--> Amaranth: i guess so,
[04:35] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, just select the "/home" partition, and say "don't format" in the partitioner
[04:35] <Amaranth> oh, cool
[04:35] <Amaranth> ok, see you after i screw something up :P
[04:36] <Amaranth> or not, i lost the CD
[04:36] <gen> how do i edit sources.list :/
[04:36] <Amaranth> gen: vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <WebMaven> * WebMaven wait for the shipit shipment too.
[04:36] <arun--> will a pentium 266 MMX laptop like 5 years old, will it have acpi or apm?
[04:36] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it might have both
[04:36] <Treenaks> my 4 year old laptop has ACPI
[04:37] <theine> arun--: I'd bet on apm
[04:37] <gen> Amaranth: all i see is blue asterisks
[04:37] <cardador> gen: nano /etc/apt/sources.list is easier :)
[04:37] <cardador> vim is hard to understand for newbies (like me)
[04:37] <RoBLiNuX_> how do i change my fonts and stuff to be a lil bigger?
[04:38] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: computer > desktop pref > font
[04:38] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: check the 'computer' menu, it has a "fonts" entry somewhere
[04:38] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can set your fonts t here
[04:38] <RoBLiNuX_> just did it Thanks
[04:38] <gen> cardador: thanks, that is easier :)
[04:38] <RoBLiNuX_> you cant use KDE here?
[04:38] <cardador> gen: ;)
[04:39] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can, but it's not really supported
[04:39] <RoBLiNuX_> no problem
[04:39] <cardador> gen: even easier -> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:39] <RoBLiNuX_> So how long does it take for the average user to learn ubuntu?
[04:39] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: my girlfriend -> 5 minutes
[04:39] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: depends on the user's willingness to learn and his/her general computer-savvyness
[04:40] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: it depends on what you want
[04:40] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, depends on what you mean by 'learn'.
[04:40] <theine> RoBLiNuX: depends on a lot of things...
[04:40] <gen> when im in nano, after i edited, how do i save
[04:40] <esoteric> ctrl-x
[04:41] <gen> thank you esoteric
[04:41] <theine> isn't it crtl-o?
[04:41] <chibifs> ctrl-x is close and save.
[04:41] <RoBLiNuX_> Well all my windows knowledge I want to have more knowledge in Linux, in windows I can do whatever I want (burn cds, download music, chat, listen to music, maintain it by defrag, antivirus, firewall, msconfig (Startup), spyware free, send/receive emails, etc
[04:41] <theine> who uses nano anyway?
[04:41] <chibifs> Nano owns. :P
[04:41] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: on linux you can skip the last things you said :)
[04:42] <RoBLiNuX_> spyware, antivirus, security ?
[04:42] <Treenaks> cardador: well, except mail ;)
[04:42] <esoteric> forget nano.. pico is where its at
[04:42] <chibifs> antivirus? spyware? defrag?
[04:42] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: there is no spyware, almost no viruses, and defragging is pointless
[04:42] <maximaus> I use nano because I'm too dense to learn anything else. :P
[04:42] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: (uh, no virusses, basically)
[04:42] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, you can forget about defragging.
[04:42] <RoBLiNuX_> treenaks, Thanks
[04:42] <shaver> you'll wish you could defrag, perhaps
[04:42] <Treenaks> shaver: nah
[04:43] <shaver> oh, my, yes
[04:43] <WebMaven> shaver, why?
[04:43] <shaver> I worked on a high-performance filesystem for Linux for 2 years
[04:43] <chibifs> Is anyone using reiser4 yet? :o
[04:43] <shaver> we ran (run) atop ext3
[04:43] <shaver> fragmentation can hurt you
[04:43] <shaver> and it's hard to fix after initial allocation, with common tools
[04:43] <RoBLiNuX_> how about security like hackers? would you be at risk without no firewall? i hear linux doesnt have any problems like windows does, but just curious
[04:43] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: by default, there are no open ports
[04:44] <arun--> ubuntu is closed by default
[04:44] <chibifs> Hacking means something diffrent to linux, Rob.
[04:44] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks
[04:44] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: and if you keep up to date (subscribe to the security-announce mailinglist, see lists.ubuntu.com), crackers won't be able to do anything
[04:44] <arun--> but if you install some daemons like name server, ftp, email server, then ports will be open
[04:44] <chibifs> hacking is debugging and improving upon software, patching security holes. :P
[04:44] <arun--> may be then you need a firewall
[04:45] <RoBLiNuX_> so lets see go to www.grc.com and click on shields up then go down to shields up n see if you have open ports or not
[04:46] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, there are plenty of firewalls avalibale, both to run as an end-user systema, and as a firewall for the rest of the nework.
[04:46] <RoBLiNuX_> i mean i will be connected via a router anyways in a few days
[04:46] <chibifs> RoBLiNuX_ - I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about security at all. Unless you're incredibly paranoid. I've never been damaged even on a completely open system.
[04:46] <gen> i can't get vlc to install
[04:46] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, so, you can take an otherwise underpowered old computer stick an extra $13 network-card in, and you have a corporate firewall for your network.
[04:47] <RoBLiNuX_> Well I ran a test and it said I have no open ports they are just closed
[04:47] <pedru> and i have never been kicked in the nuts in public
[04:47] <gen> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:47] <gen>   gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installedE: Broken packages
[04:47] <pedru> but it could happen all the time :-)
[04:47] <gen> says this when i attempt
[04:47] <pedru> @gen woody?
[04:48] <gen> yes
[04:48] <Rhymes> i've messed up the sudoers file, and now i can't do anything that requires root authorization, can somebody help me? any ideas?
[04:48] <gen> tried sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[04:48] <pedru> @gen: 1 sec please
[04:48] <gen> ok
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: reboot in recovery mode
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: then fix the sudoers file
[04:48] <RoBLiNuX_> WebMaven, i have my laptop is dsl/router + software firewall already i purchased a router no need for more but you know you never 100% nobody wants me anyways lol its just incase if I get trojans on windows or something wants to connect out or in or whenever im on a file sharing p2p prog
[04:48] <Rhymes> Treenaks: ok thanks
[04:48] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, here is some advice: Don't run as root. Sometimes desktop internet software (like XChat) can be vulnerable.
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: next time, use visudo -- it won't let you mess up the sudoers file
[04:48] <Rhymes> :)
[04:49] <pedru> @gen: i got vlc installed...
[04:49] <Rhymes> i forgot a colon :(
[04:49] <RoBLiNuX_> no problem, im on my laptop trillian irc . i gotta play with my desktop first lol then i can log off trillian here and go on my desktop
[04:49] <gen> how pedru
[04:49] <Treenaks> Rhymes: using visudo will catch that
[04:49] <pedru> @gen: maybe use another repository...
[04:49] <Rhymes> ok thanks
[04:49] <pedru> want my sources.list
[04:49] <gen> such as
[04:49] <gen> yes
[04:49] <pedru> 1 sec please
[04:50] <WebMaven> pedru, so, do you want to add that missing experience?
[04:50] <gen> pedru: not letting me accept
[04:50] <pedru> mwhat?
[04:50] <theine> OpenOffice Impress almost hangs for ever when starting up. Is there anybody having the same problem?
[04:50] <pedru> maybe :-)
[04:51] <WebMaven> pedru, yes or no.
[04:51] <gen> pedru: when i click accept, nothign
[04:51] <RoBLiNuX_> so how about cookies i dont see to check ask before accepting like i do on windows?
[04:51] <pedru> @WebMaven: i dont know what youre talking about
[04:51] <pedru> @gen: mhh...
[04:52] <pedru> once again...
[04:52] <gen> status says connect
[04:52] <pedru> same prob?
[04:52] <gen> but then nothing
[04:52] <pedru> thx for not kicking me
[04:52] <WebMaven> no problem.
[04:52] <WebMaven> anytime.
[04:53] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: try to distibguish between operting system, webbrowser, kernel and so on...
[04:53] <RoBLiNuX_> theine, what youmean
[04:53] <pedru> @gen ... wait
[04:53] <gen> ok
[04:53] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: it's not windows asking you about cookies but internet explorer :)
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> true :)
[04:54] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: Forget it, don't take me too seriously
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> So yea do I need to be careful what cookies I accept ?
[04:54] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: if you want to
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> or just leave it default since theres no problems with Linux itself? no spyware
[04:54] <pedru> @gen : http://www.pastebin.com/117924
[04:55] <pedru> i think youre missing multiverse
[04:55] <RoBLiNuX_> cookies > spyware thats why I have on block third party cookies on my IE and ask for first parties
[04:55] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: yes, you can always change it later if you like
[04:55] <gen> yes was just universe
[04:55] <agenteo> someone here knows about gnoppix? I'd like to download the image but I don't know what's the one: gnoppix_0.8.1.iso gnoppix_warty_0.8.2-RC2.iso (naaaa...) or warty-release-live-i386.iso
[04:56] <pedru> gnoppix =  gnome based knoppix
[04:56] <arun--> any one using Hoary?
[04:56] <RoBLiNuX_> Treenaks, but my question is since you said theres no spyware in linux then I dont need to do that ask me for accepting cookies or not
[04:56] <theine> agenteo: go for the last one, it's not gnoppix though...
[04:56] <pedru> gnoppix-warty = gnoppix based ubuntu
[04:56] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you still might want it ..
[04:56] <theine> arun--: I am
[04:57] <ibtuten> hi, I have a tech support question, if anybody minds answering
[04:57] <pedru> just ask
[04:57] <RoBLiNuX_> Treenaks, why if theres no so called spyware in linux? and the only reason why I ask for cookies to be accepted or blocked in IE is because cookies can be spyware
[04:57] <arun--> theine: is it stable enuff?
[04:57] <ibtuten> k, I installed Windows alongside my Ubuntu partition, and now grub doesn't load on startup... how do I put it back as the default mbr loader
[04:57] <gen> pedru: would it be safe to copy this one, and replace it with old
[04:57] <gen> instead of manually seeing what matches
[04:58] <arun--> i should ask, is it usable?
[04:58] <ibtuten> I'm on the live CD right now
[04:58] <theine> arun--: it didn't crash yet but there are a few glitches
[04:58] <pedru> yes it works but i suggest you only copy the multiverse line
[04:58] <gen> ok
[04:58] <pedru> yes it is :-)
[04:58] <theine> arun--: most noticeable in my case the esd deamon seems to be fucked up and openoffice takes forever to start up
[04:58] <pedru> @ibtuten: okay... usually you install windows first...
[04:59] <ibtuten> pedru, true, but my Windows partition screwed up, so I had to reinstall
[04:59] <pedru> ibtuten, you need to chroot in your system and setz the boot loader up
[04:59] <arun--> may be will install hoary on the pentium 266 MMX, but it has only 64 MB ram (it was huge in those days :) )
[04:59] <theine> arun--: both issues where not present in warty
[04:59] <ibtuten> ok, I don't know how to do that
[04:59] <theine> arun--: you're going to need some patience for that...
[04:59] <pedru> mhh... use something like knoppix
[05:00] <arun--> theine: :) yeah, may be i will install it, and jump to blackbox, and see how it works
[05:00] <agenteo> theine: I just need a distro using gnome, I've read that "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux." I'd like to find gnome 2.8 there
[05:00] <gen> pedru: so "
[05:00] <gen> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" is the only thing i add?
[05:00] <ibtuten> hm, I can't do it from the ubuntu live cd? I have my linux partition mounted
[05:00] <pedru> ibtuten, mount your linux filesystems and chroot in the directory
[05:00] <pedru> google around a bit
[05:01] <pedru> another possibility would be the r.i.p. disk
[05:01] <RoBLiNuX_> anyone downloads music on ubuntu? watches movies , dvds, downloaded mpeg , avi, etc?
[05:01] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, yes
[05:01] <pedru> RoBLiNuX_, yes
[05:01] <ibtuten> ok
[05:01] <pedru> there is a boot manager you can install
[05:01] <theine> agentoe: really? it's based on ubuntu?
[05:01] <RoBLiNuX_> I dont need no codecs ?
[05:01] <pedru> RoBLiNuX_, depends on what youre watching
[05:01] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, yeah you need the codecs.
[05:02] <RoBLiNuX_> I will be watching all kinds of vids files (avi, mpeg, wav, etc)
[05:02] <pedru> well you better get some codecs then
[05:02] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, you'll find a good guide here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:03] <Matt|> btw the wiki in the topic is the old one: someone needs to update it
[05:03] <Matt|> any ops here?
[05:04] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks matt
[05:04] <gen> pedro: thanks for the help, worked
[05:04] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, let us know if it doesn't work :)
[05:04] <RoBLiNuX_> let me try lol
[05:04] <lemsx1> hello all
[05:05] <gen> Matt|: did you get the flash working?
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, nope am pretty sure there is no fix
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, at least for a non-geek like me
[05:05] <cardador> anyone know an easy way to comunicate with a device on ttys0 (com1 on windows)?
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, you can install RC2 from source if you wanna working copy
[05:05] <gen> yea
[05:06] <Matt|> gen, chip in on the bug if you like: i have the feeling mdz doesn't believe that it is a bug
[05:07] <Matt|> (3302)
[05:07] <gen> pedru
[05:09] <arun--> goodnight
[05:11] <gen> hey guys
[05:11] <gen> how do i put a file into the applications menu
[05:12] <Kamion> (diff: update wiki location, thanks Matt|)
[05:12] <Matt|> thanks Kamion
[05:12] <Matt|> :)
[05:12] <britt__> hey all
[05:12] <Matt|> gen, right click inside the submenu where you want to add it, then select "whole menu", then add new item
[05:13] <Matt|> is xorg around yet?
[05:13] <gen> Wow, i'm an idiot
[05:13] <gen> thanks matt
[05:15] <pedru> is xorg around yet?
[05:15] <Matt|> *laughs*
[05:15] <fabbione> in one or 2 days
[05:15] <pedru> yes 6.8
[05:15] <Matt|> weeeeeeee
[05:15] <ibtuten> hm, ok, I'm in the grub command line, and when I type "root (" and hit tab, it doesn't show any drives...
[05:15] <Matt|> thanks fabbione
[05:15] <pedru> why weeeeeeeeee
[05:15] <Matt|> i am happy
[05:15] <pedru> its not that different
[05:15] <mAIJK> Is GNOME faster than KDE running on an PIII650 Laptop ?
[05:15] <Matt|> pedru, it is for me
[05:16] <Matt|> fabbione, thanks for the hard work
[05:16] <pedru> in which aspects...
[05:16] <britt__> KDE is pretty bulky
[05:16] <Matt|> pedru, 3d acceleration is supported on my video chip
[05:16] <fabbione> Matt|: it's not only me working on it
[05:16] <pedru> which one?
[05:16] <Matt|> fabbione, i know but I've said thanks to daniels already :)
[05:16] <mAIJK> bulky = ?
[05:16] <Matt|> pedru, ATI IGP 340M
[05:17] <Matt|> mAIJK, not sure
[05:17] <pedru> well... then i understand the weeeeeee
[05:17] <pedru> :--)
[05:17] <Matt|> mAIJK, if you want someone real fast then try a stripped down window manager like icewm
[05:17] <Matt|> pedru, :)
[05:17] <ryan> twm!
[05:17] <pedru> my laptop's got an s3 prosavage ddr... :-(((
[05:17] <mAIJK> okey, Is it easy too use?
[05:18] <cardador> mAIJK: the easiest is XFCE4
[05:18] <|progenic|> excuse me, is xine player can play ram/rmbv/rm file ?
[05:18] <Matt|> mAIJK, quite easy, but you have to read a few help documents if you want to design everything yourself (menus, toolbar etc)
[05:18] <mAIJK> okay
[05:18] <|progenic|> or what should i install to make it run on linux
[05:18] <Matt|> xfce is not exactly minimal
[05:18] <pedru> realplayer progenic
[05:18] <mAIJK> I want it to bee fast and not to complicate
[05:19] <pedru> or the codecs
[05:19] <Matt|> |progenic|, i can play ram streams on totem-xine without realplayer
[05:19] <Cuga_> Hey, I have a mysql question that the guys in mysql are ignoring, probably something obvious but i can't think of it, any mysql admins here?
[05:19] <Matt|> |progenic|, i _think_ w32codecs is enough
[05:20] <Matt|> mAIJK, icewm is very easy: it looks a bit like windows 95, and you can install a few themes
[05:20] <cardador> Matt|: i've read somewhere that xfce4 is as fast as fluxbox
[05:20] <netmonk> anyone with a notebook and working acpi and advice for me? ;)
[05:20] <housetier> I could make twm as slow as e17... :)
[05:20] <mAIJK> ok, what is XFCE?
[05:20] <Matt|> mAIJK, another option
[05:20] <Matt|> netmonk, shoot
[05:22] <cardador> mAIJK: http://www.xfce.org/
[05:22] <|progenic|> ic
[05:22] <|progenic|> w32codecs can make my xine to play that file ?
[05:22] <Matt|> |progenic|, i think so
[05:22] <netmonk> Matt|: I can't get my toshiba to suspend, any ideas
[05:23] <Matt|> |progenic|, i can only tell you it is working alright with totem-xine on my machine, and I don't have realplayer installed
[05:23] <Matt|> netmonk, have you tried a few things? If so have a look for a bug :(
[05:23] <mAIJK> Is CFCE and ICEWM on the ubuntu CD?
[05:23] <|progenic|> ok thx
[05:23] <Matt|> mAIJK, no but you can download and install them automatically
[05:24] <mAIJK> ok, Have been installing GENTOO in 2days, but now when that is finished I install ubuntu instead :)
[05:24] <mAIJK> Are you happy with ubuntu ?
[05:24] <Matt|> yeah quite happy
[05:25] <zenwhen> his all
[05:25] <zenwhen> hi*
[05:25] <netmonk> Matt|: I was with SuSE and was able to set few things up through a file called powersave.conf but with Ubuntu I don't have such file
[05:25] <zenwhen> collddd
[05:25] <|progenic|> Matt|, can't find w32codecs on my apt-get
[05:25] <Matt|> |progenic|, you need to add some repositories
[05:26] <Matt|> |progenic|, have a look at the wiki page, you can find the address in the topic to this channel: and search for the RestrictedFormats wiki
[05:26] <Matt|> netmonk, i've never tried to get suspend working i'm afraid. can't help ya
[05:27] <Matt|> netmonk, have a look in /etc/acpi/
[05:27] <netmonk> Matt|:10x
[05:27] <Matt|> and /or /etc/acpi/events
[05:27] <Lenny1729> How can I get my old isa soundcard working under ubuntu? isapnp is not in synaptic
[05:28] <kent> my brother has a usb-modem (Topcom webracer 850) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(
[05:30] <jpvcx> Lenny1729 do you have universe enabled?
[05:36] <mAIJK> Does anyone knows if umbuntu have support for USB-WLAN stick ?
[05:36] <[mirak] > bob2, you around???
[05:37] <[mirak] > or any canocial employees around?
[05:37] <|progenic|> controllable canonical form hahaha just study it for exam :P
[05:37] <Kamion> [mirak] : what do you need an employee in particular for?
[05:38] <[mirak] > I was wondering if gnoppix is a canocial project now, or if it just "based" on ubuntu, gnoppix has canocial info on there site
[05:39] <Kamion> [mirak] : we have some kind of agreement with them, and we employ one of their lead developers
[05:40] <nosilver4u> any idea if it's possible to reset your postgresql password without knowing the current one?
[05:40] <[mirak] > kamion, so that is a "kinda"
[05:40] <Lenny1729> Is it possible to update ubunto from one major release to the another?
[05:41] <Matt|> Lenny1729, yes although there has so far been just 1 release
[05:41] <Amaranth> Um.
[05:41] <Kamion> [mirak] : right, but also I don't know the exact status
[05:41] <Amaranth> The Ubuntu installer didn't let me choose a root password.
[05:41] <shaver> use sudo
[05:41] <Kamion> Amaranth: yes, and it should have told you that on the first screen after reboot.
[05:41] <nosilver4u> nm
[05:41] <shaver> (it says that during the install, no?)
[05:41] <mercurus> I've just started working on a Multimedia HOWTO on the Wiki ... could people have a look over it, and see if there is anything not listed on the draft contents that they would like added ? if so, comment :)
[05:41] <Kamion> Amaranth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:41] <Matt|> Amaranth, that is correct: have a browse to the FAQ listed in the topic, and you can see
[05:42] <[mirak] > kamion, kk thank you
[05:42] <Amaranth> Matt|: I can't, I'm not even sure how I got here.
[05:42] <Matt|> ^^ what he said
[05:42] <Amaranth> My /etc/resolv.conf is screwed.
[05:42] <Amaranth> sudo works though
[05:42] <Matt|> Amaranth, oh i c
[05:42] <dieman> im surprised at how well FAI works with ubuntu once you add in udev and hotplug :)
[05:42] <Matt|> Amaranth, just try deleting your resolv.conf (back it up) and restart your network
[05:43] <Amaranth> Matt|: It's a configuration problem. It thinks I have a network or something.
[05:43] <Amaranth> Trying to search a domain.
[05:43] <Amaranth> Anyway, I have it fixed now.
[05:44] <Matt|> k
[05:51] <weasell1> how do I enable the Root user in ubuntu? and then, how do I disable it again? :)
[05:51] <Matt|> weasell1, you don't really need to enable it: you can use sudo to gain root privileges
[05:51] <daniels> um, just use sudo
[05:51] <Matt|> heya daniels
[05:51] <weasell1> nope, need root for this
[05:51] <Matt|> weasell1, sudo gives you full root privileges
[05:52] <Matt|> what is it you want to do?
[05:52] <weasell1> I need to login to webmin for the first time using roto username/pass which resolve to nothing unless the user is active
[05:52] <nonajme> weasell1: but, if you want a root account you can type sudo passwd root
[05:52] <weasell1> roto/root
[05:52] <ryan> weasell1: do this: sudo sh
[05:52] <Matt|> weasell1, you can press sudo -s
[05:52] <Matt|> yeah either of those
[05:52] <ryan> or what matt said ;)
[05:52] <Matt|> what he said
[05:53] <Matt|> :p
[05:53] <weasell1> none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window
[05:53] <Kamion> hang on, webmin actually wants your root password over *HTTP authentication*?
[05:54] <Kamion> Isn't that thoroughly, absurdly dangerous, and isn't there some other way to do it?
[05:54] <Matt|> *laughs*
[05:54] <Kamion> like, designating some webmin-specific username/password pair
[05:54] <weasell1> kamion: it's a defect of the ubuntu install process aparantly. If you use synaptic it defaults to root which you can then login and change. If you install the tarball manually (which I'm too newbish to do) then it asks you for a name/pass to use
[05:55] <Kamion> a defect of the *Ubuntu* installation process?
[05:55] <Kamion> or do you mean the webmin package?
[05:55] <Matt|> weasell1, is that a ubuntu base package?
[05:55] <Matt|> if it is, filea bug
[05:55] <daniels> Matt|: hey dude
[05:55] <weasell1> *rolls eyes* either way, is it possible to do this, or am I SOL on the whole deal?
[05:55] <Kamion> no, webmin's in universe
[05:56] <Kamion> weasell1: I care about the distinction because I'm responsible for the Ubuntu installer :P
[05:56] <Matt|> weasell1, yes you can enable the root account, but it would be cool to file the bug too, if it is universe then maybe you can file the bug to debian
[05:56] <Matt|> nonajme said how to enable the root account
[05:57] <Matt|> ^^
[05:57] <weasell1> Kam: well then, you're just plain justified in asking, aren't you :P I have no idea who's fault it is though. I just installed linux yesterday
[05:57] <dieman> its too bad hotplug doesn't go after scsi and ide busses, it seems
[05:57] <dieman> oh well
[05:57] <dieman> time to write up a small shell script to deal with discover1, probally replicating some part of d-i
[05:58] <Kamion> weasell1: webmin's password file lives in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users, apparently
[05:58] <SuperQ> dieman: hrm
[05:58] <pille> is there an easy way to install eclipse?
[05:59] <Kamion> weasell1: if webmin's your *only* way to access the machine for now, I'm afraid you're SOL until you can log in properly and edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.users to add a more sensible user
[05:59] <Matt|> he could enable the root account no?
[06:00] <Kamion> Matt|: not if he can only access the machine using webmin, he can't
[06:00] <drakonim> if its a recent version of webmin there should be an item for launching a console
[06:00] <Kamion> 16:53 < weasell1> none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window
[06:00] <Kamion> drakonim: not if he can't log into webmin
[06:00] <drakonim> Kamion, thats what i get for bumping into a convo halfway throuhg :-D
[06:03] <weasell1> ok I was able to find the password file. Added an entry [name] :[pass] , which I then saved and restarted webmin. says invalid user/pass on the login site
[06:03] <Kamion> the password isn't cleartext in that file
[06:03] <Kamion> it's crypted in the same way as /etc/passwd entries
[06:03] <weasell1> crap. time to walk all the way back to the machine again :)
[06:03] <Kamion> simplest way might be to copy the password block from an entry in /etc/shadow whose password you know.
[06:04] <weasell1> You'll like this: can I leave it blank? :
[06:04] <Kamion> weasell1: don't think that's valid ...
[06:06] <Matt|> weasell1, how are you accessing the machine to change the password?
[06:07] <weasell1> matt: I'm taking an elevator down two floors
[06:07] <Perc> hm
[06:07] <Perc> a question
[06:07] <Perc> I just installed the new ubuntu, and firefox can't look up server names
[06:07] <Perc> it works in the console (host, ping etc)
[06:08] <weasell1> Kam: neat, copying password block from shadow worked. that was cool. But now the username I typed in has no access ("only user 'root' has access to this [, the main]  menu")
[06:08] <LinuxJones> Perc, maybe it is jsut taking a very long time ?
[06:09] <Matt|> Perc, you can ping server names?
[06:09] <Perc> yes I can
[06:09] <Matt|> weird
[06:09] <pedru> _
[06:09] <Perc> lookups using "host" is instant
[06:09] <Matt|> Perc, have you updated the install?
[06:10] <Perc> so far no
[06:10] <nickers> is there anyone who has played with ACPI/SUSP in here?
[06:10] <pedru> Perc, try something else ftp, or alternate brwoser (links)
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, you will find that if you do, firefox will revert to 0.9.3
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, they had a lot of bugs with 0.10pR
[06:10] <Perc> hm
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, maybe this is one of em
[06:10] <Perc> WTF
[06:11] <Perc> my wifi card seems to work out of the box
[06:11] <Perc> so far I'm impressed
[06:11] <Matt|> Perc, well that is compensation :)
[06:11] <Perc> brb
[06:11] <LinuxJones> Perc, there was a problem with ipv6 support loaded by default. It caused very slow dns resolution with Mozilla.
[06:12] <dredg> solution 1: implement ipv6 on your network
[06:12] <dredg> solution 2: stop the module from loading
[06:13] <dredg> i covered 2 on ubuntu-users last week or the week before
[06:13] <Matt|> dredg, stick it in the wiki?
[06:13] <zenwhen> Does anyone have K3B working and burning audio CD's in Ubuntu? I have Kernel 2.6.9 installed so I am not dealing with the <IP_ADDRESS> issue. I just cant get it to begin a burn.
[06:14] <ficusplanet> zenwhen, It works for me, but I don't think I can be of much help - it just worked.
[06:14] <dredg> in short: edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[06:14] <dredg> find the line 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6'
[06:14] <dredg> change 'ipv6' to 'off'
[06:14] <dredg> reboot
[06:14] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:14] <zenwhen> I installed it and it just doesnt work.
[06:15] <zenwhen> Im not sure I'll be able to stick with ubuntu if I cant get k3b working. :/ Im going to kep trying though.
[06:16] <Perc> Matt|, firefox seems to be 0.9.3
[06:16] <Tsjoklate> zenwhen did you read the howto on the ubu site?
[06:16] <Matt|> Perc, your answer is by dredg above ^^
[06:16] <zenwhen> yes
[06:16] <Tsjoklate> there are some special things you have to do to get k3b to work
[06:16] <kagou> hi
[06:16] <zenwhen> is there a GOOD howto?
[06:16] <RoBLiNuX> My ubuntu takes like 5minutes to start up why?
[06:16] <Perc> Matt|, thanks :)
[06:17] <zenwhen> I just saw some crap about logging in and k3b.
[06:17] <Tsjoklate> tried the forums too?
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Before it reaches the login screen, it stays in the black n white screen loading stuff and takes long
[06:17] <Tsjoklate> http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:17] <dredg> i'll chuck it into the wiki later :)
[06:17] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, what kind of system are you running, ie ram processor ?
[06:17] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX, this is normal
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Celeron 634mhz, 256mb sdram
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Ok Matt just thought it was weird
[06:17] <dredg> i'd love to know why ipv6 is loaded by default on 2.6 though
[06:18] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, that's a pretty crappy processor there but it shouldn't take 5 minutes
[06:18] <Tsjoklate> I would look for you zenwhen but my modem is crapping out
[06:18] <pedru> pretty slow machine
[06:18] <dieman> heh
[06:18] <dieman> and i feel like the xp 1800+ im on is slow
[06:19] <dieman> little intel space heater.
[06:19] <zenwhen> I cant find it.
[06:19] <Kamion> dredg: better that it be loaded by default and get out of the way of those who don't need it, than for those who do need it to have to scrabble around wondering why things don't work
[06:19] <zenwhen> I know someone said there was a HOWTO... but the one I found has NOTHING about gertting K3B working.
[06:19] <Kamion> dredg: if it isn't getting out of your way, then we want to fix that rather than just nuking ipv6
[06:19] <zenwhen> It just says some stuff about logging in after setting it up.
[06:19] <dredg> Kamion: i agree.
[06:20] <dredg> Kamion: im not really in a position to test though. i use ipv6 :)
[06:20] <RoBLiNuX> yea my pc sucks but it would be a better use to do with linux than anything else thats why I asked if my system was ok to run with ubuntu , because maybe ubutn needed more requirements
[06:20] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, disable all unnecessary services that you don't need, it will help you boottime quite a bit. Check to see if DMA is enabled on your disk as well.
[06:21] <dredg> but yes. if it doesnt get an ipv6 address either from a route advertiser or as assigned manually, ipv6 shouldnt attempt connections anywhere
[06:21] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX, don't delete anything vital :)
[06:21] <RoBLiNuX> LinuxJones, no problem and how do i get to disable those services?
[06:21] <RoBLiNuX> :)
[06:21] <dredg> the problem is though, if you have v6 loaded and $site has AAAA records, apps that are v6 enabled will attempt to connect to those first
[06:22] <Kamion> dredg: yeah, that one's a hassle
[06:22] <dredg> so i'm actually of the opinion that if you dont use ipv6, you shouldnt be loading ipv6
[06:22] <sjoerd> dredg: and the get E_NOROUTE immediatly, so there should be no delay
[06:22] <dredg> sjoerd: true..
[06:22] <Kamion> dredg: the problem comes when you have a broken IPv6 setup, not when you have a usable but unconfigured IPv6 setup
[06:23] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, first you can see what services you are running by doing lsof -i (in the sudo -s console)
[06:23] <Tsjoklate> brb
[06:24] <mAIJK> Im going to install XFCE, is it xfce-4.1.91-rpm-rh9.tar.bz2 I should download?
[06:24] <Matt|> mAIJK, nope
[06:24] <Matt|> mAIJK, use synaptic
[06:24] <[mirak] > maijk, xfce4 is apt-getable
[06:24] <mAIJK> Matt| aha!
[06:25] <mAIJK> just finished my installation of ubuntu, i like what I see! ;)
[06:25] <nickers> Matt|, is the newest xfce beta in there?
[06:25] <Matt|> nickers, unlikely
[06:26] <mtl> what file i need to edit to start gnome+fluxbox instead gnome+metacity?
[06:27] <mAIJK> Under wich section do I find ICEWM & XFCE ?
[06:27] <Matt|> mtl, check out gconf-editor
[06:27] <Matt|> mtl, in applications --> system tools --> configuration editor
[06:27] <Perc> hm
[06:27] <mjr> mtl, the window manager is just yet another program started in the session
[06:27] <Perc> the wlan card seems to be almost working
[06:27] <zenwhen> oh
[06:28] <zenwhen> I fixed k3b
[06:28] <kingsley> A draft of a graph that shows the best data compression algorithms for network data transfers with various hardwares is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.png. Comments welcome.
[06:28] <sand0r> Is anyone here familiar with this error ... "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" ?
[06:28] <zenwhen> I needed to update cdrecord
[06:28] <mjr> from preferences/sessions, turn autorestart for metacity off, kill metacity, start fluxbox, save session
[06:28] <zenwhen> lol
[06:28] <mjr> that should basically work
[06:29] <Matt|> mtl, if you want it everytime: go to the configuration editor, and then follow desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window manager to change it
[06:29] <mjr> Matt|, I don't think that really works anymore
[06:30] <mjr> but I might be wrong; sure, give it a shot
[06:30] <Matt|> mjr, oh. it is still there!
[06:30] <mjr> yes, it is
[06:32] <sand0r>  "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?
[06:33] <dredg> actually, if someone is having problems due to ipv6 being loaded, i'd love to see the output of 'ip -6 addr' and 'ip -6 route show'
[06:33] <Amaranth> paraphrasing this error message, i can't remember exactly what it said: EXT_fs : something somthing start_transaction: Journal aborted
[06:34] <Amaranth> i just got that on a tty dumped over and over again
[06:34] <Amaranth> had to reboot
[06:35] <kil> Hello, I'm searching about activate alsa in Hoary on my notebook. pci=noacpi recognize by Warty but not by Hoary.
[06:37] <mAIJK> Hittar intew ICEWM i Synaptic :(
[06:38] <Matt|> mAIJK, you may have to add the universe repository. have a look in the settings under repository
[06:39] <mtl> blah... I cannot get fluxbox to run everytime :(
[06:39] <mAIJK> found it ;)
[06:39] <mAIJK> Should I install ICEWM only?
[06:39] <mAIJK> It's alot of files
[06:40] <jamaas> Is there an award for most obscure question of the day/week ??  ;)
[06:41] <LinuxJones> jamaas, we can start one :)
[06:43] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Great idea but just to warn you, the rest of you don't have a chance ... I can dig em up from places you wouldn't even dream of  ... :-!
[06:45] <LinuxJones> jamaas, heh
[06:46] <jamaas> Here goes, I'm trying to compile a new version of gnome, and it is looking for openldap-dev and yet I, in my novice ignorance, can't find such a critter for Debian/Ubuntu, what have I missed ...
[06:46] <kil> quelqu'un parle francais ici ?
[06:46] <Matt|> kil: /cs list #ubuntu*
[06:46] <LinuxJones> jamaas, firstly why are you compiling your own version of Gnome ?
[06:46] <Tufek> hi everyone..i have a question...how can i something donwload and install with apt-get on ubuntu ? for example i would like amsn ...
[06:47] <Matt|> Tufek, apt-get install amsn
[06:47] <jamaas> Uhmmm... Its my idea of fun .... ???  Are you guys going to hurt me ??  I kinda like what Garnome are doing
[06:47] <sand0r>  "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?
[06:47] <Tufek> Matt|, i tried but give the like that Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:47] <Tufek> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:47] <Tufek> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[06:48] <Matt|> Tufek, try using synaptic, and opening the universe repository in the settings
[06:48] <LinuxJones> jamaas, try installing libldap2-dev
[06:49] <Tufek> Matt|, sorry i dont know how do u explain me please ?
[06:49] <jamaas> LinuxJones: It doesn't show up for me in synaptic, where might it be hidden ?
[06:49] <Matt|> Tufek, sure. Open the package manager (synaptic) by going to Computer --> System --> Synaptic
[06:49] <LinuxJones> jamaas, you probably have to add the universe repository
[06:49] <Matt|> Tufek, then go to settings, repositories, and add the universe repository
[06:50] <jamaas> LinuxJones: I have and don't find it there ... :-(
[06:50] <Tufek> Matt|, ok thanks a lot i`m going to trying now :)
[06:50] <smunro> folks, where do I set shell environments for root. dircolors is crying in pain.
[06:50] <LinuxJones> jamaas, did you do an update of the repositories ?
[06:50] <kent> When a friend installed Ubuntu on is laptop, he could not see more than the grub-thing. He sais that the harddisk is still loading, so perhaps its some problem with framebuffer or something like that? Can some one tell me if there is something i could try to make it work?
[06:50] <LinuxJones> jamaas, apt-get update or in Synaptic click the reload button
[06:51] <jamaas> LinuxJones: now there's a good question, not in the last couple of days but will now, back in a minute, thanks
[06:51] <jamaas> Tufek: Matt is good at this stuff, lucky you!
[06:52] <Matt|> ?
[06:52] <ficusplanet> What is the name of the icon used for the About Ubuntu... launcher?
[06:53] <Tufek> Matt|, ok i fount settings, repositories but how add the universe repository is?
[06:53] <Matt|> Tufek, it should be in the list, you can activate it
[06:54] <Tufek> Matt|, ok thanks again :)
[06:55] <smunro> tap tap
[06:55] <Matt|> smunro, sup?
[06:55] <smunro> Can you help me fix this error ?   "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given"
[06:56] <Matt|> no
[06:56] <Matt|> :(
[06:56] <Matt|> otherwise we would have said something
[06:56] <Matt|> sorry!
[06:56] <smunro> thanks for answering.
[06:56] <Matt|> ty ;)
[06:57] <Matt|> keep asking later though someone else might know how to help you
[06:57] <Matt|> what are you doin?
[06:57] <smunro> fooled around in /etc/shadow and ending up really messing up root authentication. got it fixed (mostly) but now opening a root terminal cries with that dircolors message
[06:58] <smunro> what am I doin? learning by screwing stuff up.
[06:58] <Matt|> the only way :)
[06:58] <umarmung> smunro, maybe some messed up variable in .bash_profile ?
[06:59] <smunro> in /root ?
[06:59] <smunro> or in my users home?
[07:00] <umarmung> smunro, the one you login with
[07:01] <bagpuss> is there some sort of extra magic I have to do to persuade gnome-volume-manager to automount a CD/DVD on insert?
[07:01] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Still digging and don't find open-ldap-dev   or anything for that matter that is ldap except something from sourceforge and I don't think its that one!?
[07:01] <bagpuss> it's ticked in the settings thing, but totally fails to work
[07:01] <umarmung> smunro, cp /etc/skel/.bash* ~
[07:02] <smunro> umarmung, nailed it. ty
[07:02] <umarmung> :)
[07:03] <mjr> bag, it needs to be in fstab
[07:03] <bagpuss> mjr: hmm
[07:04] <bagpuss> grr, copy and paste aren't workiong either :(
[07:05] <kent> do some one know why a friend who recently installed Ubuntu on his laptop only gets to the stage where grub loads. Then nothing happens :(  What could be the problem? He installed it on a non-laptop computor also, and it works there.  :(
[07:05] <swanriversean> \help