[00:23] <lamiastella> I am trying to download a 40GB file from DropBox but it keeps getting interrupted (perhaps bad wifi connection). Any tips on how I could have an uninterrupted or resuming type download via the command line?
[00:28] <sarnold> lamiastella: curl -C -   I believe will do that; I think wget --mirror will turn on something similar, but I'm not spotting what that would be in the manpage :/ it might be my memory is poor
[00:29] <sarnold> lamiastella: does dropbox offer rsync support? either rsync directly or rsync via ssh? rsync is fantastic at this kind of thing
[00:29] <sarnold> lamiastella: did you get your cuda packages sorted?
[00:29] <lamiastella> idk that's why I am asking here sarnold
[00:30] <lamiastella> actually cannot remember completely followed a bunch of tutorials online
[00:30] <lamiastella> it says it takes 4 hrs to download 40GB :/
[00:32] <sarnold> ~2.8 MB/s, I wonder where the bottleneck is. my guess is that's just as fast as they're willing to go, since going faster costs more money..
[00:32] <lamiastella> now it is 1.6 and says 6hrs sarnold
[00:33] <lamiastella> my download speed is 19.1 MBPS
[00:33] <lamiastella> and upload is 9.53MBPS
[00:33] <lamiastella> though I have two roommates :/
[00:37] <lamiastella> cannot download via wget from dropbox using ?dl=1 2020-07-21 20:36:22 ERROR 400: Bad Request.
[00:37] <sarnold> :(
[00:39] <leftyfb> lamiastella: your issue is with dropbox. Not ubuntu. Try wiping ~/.dropbox and see if that helps. Otherwise, contact dropbox support. The downloads speeds are also a limitation of dropbox
[00:41] <lamiastella> IDK dropbox installed in my machine I am downloading via direct link in firefox leftyfb
[00:42] <lamiastella> I don't have * instead of IDK leftyfb
[00:43] <lamiastella> sarnold: here is a bug report if you are interested https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-cuda-toolkit/+bug/1888440
[00:45] <leftyfb> lamiastella: can I ask what you are downloading that is 40G?
[00:58] <lamiastella> it is a video file with .ats format (private file in our group)
[01:35] <bet0x> Hello everyone
[01:37] <bet0x> I have a HD screen (1920) and a 4K screen (3840) and i cannot do scaling coz it gets all weird
[01:42] <Bashing-om> bet0x: Can not vouch; but, have you seen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Fractional_Scaling ?
[01:42] <bet0x> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1884754/comments/15
[01:43] <bet0x> mmmmmmm
[01:43] <bet0x> Found it
[02:00] <bet0x> Well i don't think it will work
[02:00] <bet0x> Resolution: 9984x3456
[02:00] <bet0x> lol
[02:18] <cluelessperson> My laptop likes to drop from 1.5ghz to 700mhz, which is completely intolerable
[02:18] <cluelessperson> how do I stop this insanity?
[02:20] <quadrathoch2> why wouldn't you like to save power (battery)? cluelessperson
[02:20] <cluelessperson> quadrathoch2, Because I'm on AC power
[02:20] <Kill-Animals> does the file name effect the value of a md5sum? I am trying to evaluate my iso
[02:21] <cluelessperson> Kill-Animals, no.
[02:21] <Kill-Animals> cluelessperson: thanks
[02:21] <cluelessperson> Kill-Animals, also md5 is broken, I suggest SHA256
[02:22] <Kill-Animals> cluelessperson: why is it broken?
[02:22] <sarnold> cluelessperson: check cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy*/scaling_governor  -- if tht's powersave, try changing all those to performance
[02:22] <Kill-Animals> there is also keccak https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qcryptographichash.html#Algorithm-enum
[02:23] <cluelessperson> sarnold, a month ago I was trying out different software to control this and found it was all generally not very effective, but I'll try setting all these manually.
[02:23] <cluelessperson> sarnold, they are all powersave
[02:24] <cluelessperson> Kill-Animals, md5 is easy to produce collisions for, so it's not useful for security any longer.
[02:24] <sarnold> cluelessperson: I think the two that aren't garbage are powersave and performance; and performance sounds more like what you want
[02:24] <Kill-Animals> got it.
[02:24] <sarnold> md5 is still okay for "I used scp to copy this file from one machine to another machine". but sha256sum is installed everywhere these days, so it's easy enough to switch
[02:25] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I set them all.
[02:26] <Kill-Animals> sarnold: and what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-3 ?
[02:26] <sarnold> cluelessperson: alright, now see if your sysmte is more responsive to changes in load
[02:26] <quadrathoch2> as the cpu is controlling the speed of the cpu, there is nothing you can really do about it
[02:26] <cluelessperson> sarnold, seems to be.  I just need a fingerprint, but I need it to be performant.
[02:31] <sarnold> Kill-Animals: depending upon your goals you may also like blake2b or blake2-something else. (I hate that there are multiple blake2* algorithms, I think this is part of why so few programs use it)
[02:38] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I'm willing to check it out
[02:39] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I've been playing hollow knight and it basically just costs me button presses.
[02:39] <cluelessperson> The frustration  makes me want to chuck things.
[02:39] <cluelessperson> sarnold, right now snapping to edges just stopped working for no reason I can tell
[02:40] <cluelessperson> and the on screen keyboard just randomly stops responding and crashes
[02:40] <cluelessperson> why are these softwares even included if they're unstable?
[02:41] <cluelessperson> Kill-Animals, almost all CPUs have a SHA256 module built in
[02:41] <cluelessperson> so it should be in general insanely fast
[02:43] <sarnold> cluelessperson: no idea on the desktop stuff -- if you're using gnome, maybe uninstall any extensions you may have installed, I understand those are often a source of reliability problems
[02:45] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I don't think I have any extensions up, at least not abnormal ones.
[02:45] <cluelessperson> ubuntu dock and app indicators.
[02:46] <cluelessperson> sarnold, The thing that truly truly frustrates me, is that these things are just built *into* gnome and you can't troubleshoot them as far as I know
[02:46] <cluelessperson> there's no module for me to uninstall, disable, tweak
[02:46] <cluelessperson> ---
[02:47] <cluelessperson> sarnold, there are other concerning things too.  You know the feature to "Press Control to create an animation that highlights the pointer" ?
[02:47] <cluelessperson> At 120hz refresh rate, the animation is sped up.
[02:47] <cluelessperson> sarnold, Which informs me the software plays some animation frame by frame, rather than understanding that different displays work at different framerates.
[02:48] <sarnold> cluelessperson: lol that's hilarious
[02:48] <sarnold> I mean it's frustrating
[02:48] <sarnold> but it reminds me of the day when we had to hit the turbo button to downclock our 486es because games were written for 286...
[02:49] <oerheks> there is a block caribou solution, https://sourceforge.net/p/ourorgan/discussion/962125/thread/bf6288066d/?limit=25
[02:49] <oerheks> and https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1326/block-caribou/
[02:49] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I mean that, someone included it as a basic feature in ubuntu, apparently without understanding how displays even work.
[02:50] <cluelessperson> That bothers me.
[02:50] <cluelessperson> oerheks, that doesn't work.
[02:50] <cluelessperson> oerheks, Rather, it partially works, and when it fails, it gets stuck open.
[02:50] <cluelessperson> like wtf
[03:09] <TimothyP> Hi, what's currently a good way to create a portable Ubuntu on a USB stick. I have a demo I need to run on Ubuntu but I might not have access to a Ubuntu system where I am going
[03:18] <sarnold> TimothyP: I think I've heard if you write the live image to one partition on a usb stick, and make an ext4 filesystem on a second partition, you'll be able to use that second partition pretty easy
[03:18] <sarnold> TimothyP: hopefully it's only a few minutes to test it out, assuming you've already got the usb stick you want to overwrite
[03:19] <TimothyP> ok that makes sense
[03:19] <TimothyP> thnx !
[03:19] <TimothyP> will give it a try
[03:23] <sarnold> TimothyP: I think I've seen screenshots that suggest the rufus.ie tool can do this, but that requires a windows system :) if you've got one of those around, it might be even faster than goofing around with gdisk or fdisk or cfdisk or whatever it is that's the best fdisk thse days :)
[03:23] <sarnold> time for me to run, have fun :)
[03:23] <oerheks> mkusb too..
[03:24] <oerheks> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[03:24] <sarnold> with what? with WHAT? cmon slug tll us!
[03:24] <TimothyP> let's see
[04:45] <satousan> anyone here ever try ubuntu touch?
[04:45] <satousan> is it any good, is it even really ubuntu?
[05:20] <oerheks> kernelupdate
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: updating
[05:28] <M_aD> already updated
[07:54] <me-1> hi..I am looking for Ubuntu 32 bit for an old Pc
[07:55] <CrackedCracker> hello! upgraded to 20.04 yesterday and now there's a mismatch between biber and biblatex versions
[07:56] <CrackedCracker> namely, it says: ERROR - Error: Found biblatex control file version 3.4, expected version 3.7. This means that your biber (2.14) and biblatex (3.10) versions are incompatible.
[07:57] <CrackedCracker> which is surprising since both come from the biber package?
[07:57] <CrackedCracker> is it really broken or did I just screw up something locally?
[07:59] <TimothyP> sarnold mkusb worked great
[08:01] <me-1> does Ubuntu still supports 32 bit architecture
[08:05] <oerheks> 18.04 is 32 bits supported, AFAIK
[08:06] <CrackedCracker> still with the same question: or how do I check biblatex version in the packages to verify that the problem is indeed there?
[08:06] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
[08:07] <oerheks> biblatex ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biblatex
[08:07] <oerheks> old ..
[08:09] <CrackedCracker> I think it comes from https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/texlive-bibtex-extra, but it doesn't tell me the version
[08:10] <DeathandGravity> I'm having some issues getting nvidia drivers functional on my 20.04 LTS. On running nvidia-settings I'm getting error pings that the Driver is not loaded but prime select indicates Nvidia is loaded and I seem to have the full dependancies requisit for 440 as well as
[08:10] <DeathandGravity> I'm also getting this as output when I run nvidia-settings :
[08:10] <DeathandGravity> (nvidia-settings:1791): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 01:18:05.602: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[08:10] <DeathandGravity> Anyone able to assist?
[08:10] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/texlive-extra (2019.202000218-1) [universe]
[08:12] <CrackedCracker> oerheks: yep, found that one, but version there doesn't really correspond to anything? biber is complaining that biblatex is 3.4 and I can't find that number anywhere there
[08:14] <CrackedCracker> there is some bug report with very similar error message, but given that it worked on 18.04 I suppose my case is different? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biber/+bug/1770516
[08:15] <CrackedCracker> :^)
[08:15] <CrackedCracker> it's also from 2018
[08:15] <oerheks> but biber is a fork ..
[08:16] <CrackedCracker> hmm, didn't quite get it, can you elaborate?
[08:16] <oerheks> i think you should ask the maintainer,w e share packages from debian http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/t/texlive-extra/unstable_changelog
[08:16] <oerheks> 'biber: Much-augmented BibTeX replacement for BibLaTeX users'
[08:17] <CrackedCracker> oh, so you mean "a fork of bibtex"
[08:17] <oerheks> oke, maybe not correct,..
[08:19] <CrackedCracker> ok, thanks! Maybe there is someone else on 20.04 with similar issue?
[08:25] <herol3oy> .
[08:28] <CrackedCracker> hmm, there is a note in the changelog saying "break against TL version with current biblatex"
[08:28] <CrackedCracker> I wonder what TL version stands for
[08:28] <CrackedCracker> here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biber
[08:48] <Peanut> Hi folks - I'm re-installing my Ubuntu machine with ZFS. I netbooted the installer, but I don't get a ZFS option in the partitioning menu?
[09:00] <Peanut> Great.. netboot installation says 'apt install cd-boot-images-amd64', which only exists for 'groovy', not for 'focal'.
[09:08] <CrackedCracker> ok, I seemingly solved my problem. biblatex was coming from ~/texmf dir, which I think came from previous installation of tex with tlmgr? I nuked ~/texmf altogether, stuff seems to work now
[09:26] <sazawal> Hi all. I have Ubuntu/Gnome 20.04 on my Thinkpad E560. This has happened the second time that when my laptop ran out of battery and shut down, the touchpad stopped working when I booted it the next morning. The last time it started working by itself one day later. I couldn't figure out the issue. Please help!
[09:33] <Peanut> Is ZFS install not available on the server installer yet? (Focal)
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: when your issue arises, can you still movie the mouse pointer slowly? or no touchpad at all?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: i have something similar with bug #1807818 haunting me across several ubuntu versions
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> Peanut: try asking in #ubuntu-server
[09:37] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, It doesn't work at all. Neither the touchpad clicks, nor scrolling.
[09:38] <sazawal> Let me see this bug
[09:38] <makara> hi. Im running 20.04 and connecting to my office L2TP IPSEC VPN. They say my connection is not encrypted. How do i encrypt it?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: ok, that sounds like a bit different bug, but mine also happens one day, then works few weeks, then again 1 boot
[09:40] <sazawal> Does your xinput shows the touchpad device? For me it doesn't as much as I understood it.
[09:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad yeah
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: check the id number when you 'xinput' in terminal
[09:44] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, It is not showing right now for me, only "Virtual core XTEST pointer". I don't remember if it shows normally, but it should because it works.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: ok thats weird, lets see your dmesg in a pastebin please?
[09:46] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Just checked my dmesg, could this be the issue: "[0.712486] ima: Error Communicating to TPM chip". I am sending you the dmesg output in a minute.
[09:47] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Here it is, https://termbin.com/r3an
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: tnx, not really sure on your case, but an idea could be trying acpi methods and/or biosupdate on your lenovo
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | sazawal
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | sazawal
[09:52] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Is it safe to do a biosupdate on an os-installed system? Or do I need a new Ubuntu installation after that?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: biosupdates should be safe to do, if you are sure you pick the right biosversion for your computer model
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: if you are unsure, read up lenovo bios update methods, or ask in ##hardware for the right guidance
[09:56] <sazawal> I see. I guess the link you sent tells me how to pick the right version?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: from your dmesg this is your current bios version: DMI: LENOVO 20EV000RGE/20EV000RGE, BIOS R00ET38W (1.13 ) 02/24/2016
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: so, browse lenovo support website for this same model, and see if there are latest bios versions available for your machine
[09:57] <sazawal> Great!
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: did you notice your bug across several ubuntu versions or kernels?
[10:27] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, No, this is the first time I have encountered such a bug. I am only a user, not a developer.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:53] <afidegnum> i installed vsftpd on ubuntu 18, i was able to connect to the server even anonymously but i'm not able to browser directory listing, i'm faced with timeout,
[11:53] <afidegnum> what can be done ?
[11:55] <Peanut> afidegnum: That sounds like the usual firewall issue with FTP daemons. Check whether you're using passive or active connections. Especially when using active, try passive.
[11:58] <afidegnum> Peanut: from the client or server ?
[11:59] <afidegnum> from the client it's showing passive mode
[12:10] <Peanut> At the client should be enough. If you have root access to the server, you can see whether the data connection gets established.
[12:11] <jduggan> hey guys, looking for official or atleast well documented instructions to join a domain and serve files - there's lots of 3rd party documentation for lots of different approaches/versions, can anyone point me in the right direction ? server 20.0 fwiw
[12:17] <tatertotz> jduggan: realmd + sssd
[12:18] <tatertotz> jduggan: you've been pointed
[12:19] <ferz> Hi, I need to run a gov application written in java some years ago.
[12:20] <ferz> It seems that it is not compatible with default java versione installed. I think to install openjdk-8-jre/focal.
[12:20] <ferz> Which is the difference between headless or normal package?
[12:20] <ferz> How can I force this app to run using this version of jre?
[12:22] <ferz> Headless is without Swing and gfx/keyboard support.
[12:22] <Peanut> Does anyone know why ~/.cache has permissions 'drwx--x---+' (note the +) ?
[12:23] <tatertotz> Peanut: + means additional permissions i.e ACL's
[12:24] <Peanut> tatertotz: Thanks, how can I view them? I'm trying to move my ~ to a ZFS file system, and it chokes on ~/.cache.
[12:25] <Peanut> tatertotz: 'getfacl'. Turns out it is something that libvirt-qemu did.
[12:26] <Peanut> So the libvirt-qemu user has rwx on my .cache directory.
[12:26] <Peanut> Or at least '--x'.
[12:41] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, I went outside and kept the laptop lid closed for say 20 minutes, now the touchpad started working again.
[12:42] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, xinput now shows the touchpad hardware, AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint Stick, AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad
[12:52] <zethius> Hello?
[12:52] <zethius> I need help
[12:52] <Phruis> so ask the question
[12:52] <zethius> How do I get a driver I want?
[12:53] <zethius> I can get it using the additional drivers app
[12:53] <Phruis> use the driver program jockey
[12:53] <zethius> However, I want to get it using the command line
[12:53] <Phruis> then apt search
[12:53] <zethius> I cant find it unless I install using the additional drivers software
[12:54] <nbusrone> Anyone here using nvidia driver Desktop ?
[12:55] <tarzeau> i've got like 50 computers with nvidia drivers (450+cuda)
[12:55] <tarzeau> most of them are desktops some are rack nodes with 8 gpus...
[12:55] <tarzeau> i'm using 20.04/18.04 with cuda.list (nvidia cuda repos) and own repo for cudnn
[12:56] <nbusrone> tarzeau : I really need some help
[12:56] <nbusrone> The brightness get reset for every restart , logout or wake up on the monitor , opening a web browser with youtube also affected
[12:57] <tarzeau> my help: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cuda.list with this as content: deb http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/x86_64 /
[12:57] <tarzeau> nbusrone: use xgamma?
[12:57] <tarzeau> in .xsession(rc)
[12:57] <nbusrone> tarzeau : It is not really about cuda
[12:57] <nbusrone> tarzeau : When I lower the Birhgtness to -50 https://i.imgur.com/FfCPFhJ.jpg and -1 value https://i.imgur.com/2TFGdhP.jpg of the Nvidia setting graph line lower top and bottom x and y axis equaly but when I lower the brightness , the graph line only gets lower at the top and not equal.https://i.imgur.com/xoO4mTz.jpg and reduce to none https://i.imgur.com/9q7ofeI.jpg only flatten the graph compare to nvidia setting
[13:05] <nbusrone> tarzeau : it's just a desktop 440 driver , but I am facing brightness reset. I need someone to confirm whether it affected user using nvidia before reporting as a bug
[13:07] <tarzeau> nbusrone: i can't tell you since i use xgamma for gamma correction
[13:16] <nbusrone> tarzeau : how do I view my xgamma ? and command ?
[13:16] <tarzeau> nbusrone: xgamma -h
[13:17] <tarzeau> nbusrone: xgamma shows you what you have, i often use xgamma -gamma 1.6
[13:19] <nbusrone> tarzeau : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rq9ScHHKrT/ looks like it show nothing
[13:19] <tarzeau> nbusrone: just run xgamma without anything
[13:19] <tarzeau> -h is for help
[13:21] <nbusrone> tarzeau : sorry newbie , -> Red  1.000, Green  1.000, Blue  1.000
[13:22] <nbusrone> tarzeau : i think i am using xcalib for gamma
[13:25] <nbusrone> tarzeau : actually , why on nvidia setting able to set and reduce x and y axis ? what is your nvidia setting on gamma graph line ?
[13:26] <tarzeau> i don't have nvidia @home, home office for until august
[13:27] <nbusrone> tarzeau : no matter your how your xgamma setting , it'll show curve line while on nvidia setting you can set a straight increase on reduce axis x,y .
[13:29] <nbusrone> tarzeau : actually your xgamma is just a brightness control gamma.You can't reduce your xgamma brightness at all.
[13:29] <nbusrone> tarzeau : so what pc you are using right now ?
[13:30] <tarzeau> imac that is very old with ubuntu 20.04
[13:30] <tarzeau> 4 core, 16 gb memory
[13:31] <nbusrone> tarzeau : using nvidia driver or intel ? 4 core isn't old , 16gb ram is more than everyone here
[13:40] <nbusrone> Anyone here using nvidia driver Desktop ?
[13:57] <bipin> Hi , free -m , command is showing : total : 3853 ,used : 650 , free : 388 , I dont understand why free : 388 , It used to be a lot before , what went wrong , I Have 4GB RAM laptop , I guess used+free=total , but whats wrong ?
[13:59] <hggdh> bipin: most probably nothing is wrong. The kernel uses free memory for I/O cache. If a program requires more memory, the kernel will release as much cache memory as needed
[14:00] <bipin> but just right after reboot , free shows something like in 3333 , what about that ?
[14:00] <hggdh> bipin: and no, used+free != total because of the kernel cache
[14:02] <hggdh> bipin: right after reboot, there is not enough filesystem activity. As time goes by, and memory allows, the kernel will keep caching filesystem data to improve response times
[14:02] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> Hi, does anybody know what would be the best way to obtain the command that is run to start an upstart service; the exec line in the /etc/init/service.conf file ... I don't want to parse the init files myself, since they live in different directories (unless there is a command to determine where the service's configuration file is located); This is really easy with systemd, where I can use "systemctl show", but sadly I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 and it
[14:02] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> uses upstart.
[14:03] <bipin> Ok , I was just wondering because My laptop went slow past 3 days
[14:04] <hggdh> bipin: what I said applies in general -- this is why I started with "most probably"
[14:04] <hggdh> bipin: you can run htop, and order by memory usage
[14:08] <leftyfb> aaabbbbbbbbbb_: why mess with upstart at all? It's at the end of it's life
[14:10] <leftyfb> aaabbbbbbbbbb_: Ubuntu 14.04 is EOL and not supported here anymore as of 1.5 years ago
[14:12] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> leftyfb, I also have RHEL6 system that also has upstart
[14:12] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> I need to add a script that will provide information about some of the upstart services
[14:15] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : upstart is startup on daemon ?
[14:16] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> upstart is the startup manager for the Linux system ... if this is not the answer you're looking for, please clarify the question a little more?
[14:16] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> nbusrone, ^
[14:18] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : I want to know what does this startup function call /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon
[14:18] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : newbie here
[14:19] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> nbusrone, this is a directory on my system
[14:19] <aaabbbbbbbbbb_> I don't know what's your end goal
[14:21] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : My brightness on Nvidia setting reset for every restart , logout or wake up on the monitor , opening a web browser with youtube also affected.
[14:22] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : I suspect it had to do with /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon startup program that reset the brightness
[14:22] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : I plan to inspect is it really the start up program that really affecting the reset of brightness.
[14:24] <Peanut> Is it not possible to netboot the Desktop CD? It works with the server live CD, but the desktop CD loads, then gives me 'unable to find a live file system on the network'.
[14:24] <Peanut> And I'm stuck in initramfs.
[14:26] <leftyfb> Peanut: maybe start here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot    # first result on google for "ubuntu netboot live cd"
[14:27] <leftyfb> also https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12365/booting-ubuntu-18-04-live-cd?_=1595428023687&lang=en-GB   # also from the google results
[14:29] <Peanut> Thanks leftyfb, I didn't realise I had to nfsroot them, looking for alternatives solutions now. Not sure why my search engine didn't get me those pages.
[14:30] <nbusrone> aaabbbbbbbbbb_ : You have no idea what is gnome-settings-daemon ?
[14:30] <leftyfb> nbusrone: apt-cache show gnome-settings-daemon
[14:32] <nbusrone> leftyfb :$ apt-cache show gsd-power
[14:32] <nbusrone> N: Unable to locate package gsd-powe
[14:33] <leftyfb> nbusrone: why are you running apt-cache show gsd-power ?
[14:34] <nbusrone> leftyfb : I want to know whether it's gsd-power affect the brightness reset.I want to know what log or lib it use.
[14:34] <leftyfb> nbusrone: gsd-power is a binary that is part of the gnome-settings-daemon package
[14:34] <nbusrone> leftyfb : can I know the log that use gsd-power ?
[14:36] <nbusrone> leftyfb : My brightness reset may be due to gsd-power
[14:42] <Peanut> leftyfb: fixed it, I don't need an NFS server - I just hadn't replaced the server initrd/vmlinuz with the desktop client initrd/vmlinuz.
[14:45] <nbusrone> leftyfb : should I fill both bug report on nvidia driver or gsd-power ?
[14:58] <scwoobles> i could use some help setting up mysql
[15:02] <scwoobles> when I add the package for mysql and then i try to log in with user root with no password specified and it gives me an error of 1698
[15:04] <scwoobles> nvm i missed the sudo
[15:05] <leftyfb> scwoobles: the password auth is disabled by default in the later versions of mysql. You can login locally as root/sudo
[15:10] <nbusrone> leftyfb : can explain more on gnome-settings-daemon gsd-power ?
[15:14] <Peanut> Wud? I'm running 20.04, and my network interface name just changed from enp3s0f0 to enp2s0f0, either because I removed my graphics card, or added a NVME M.2 card. Aren't those device names supposed to be stable?
[15:17] <leftyfb> Peanut: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[15:21] <Peanut> leftyfb: Thanks. So enp2* should be the 'physical location of the hardware connector', which for sure didn't change from slot 3 to slot 2. Puzzling..
[15:56] <whitepacket> hello
[15:57] <Phruis> hello fellow human
[15:58]  * Phruis tries to act natural
[16:13] <Vincent_VV> test
[16:15] <mindbyte> test back
[16:21] <leftyfb> Vincent_VV: there is an almost infinite number of channels you can join or create to test your irc client. This is a support channel for Ubuntu and isn't an appropriate place to test your client
[16:22] <Vincent_VV> sorry for disturbing. noted
[16:38] <flying_sausages> My time is changing whenever I wireguard into my server in a different timezone, any suggestions where should I bring that up?
[16:38] <flying_sausages> i.e. the timezone is being changed
[17:23] <auspugs> does anyone chat in here?
[17:24] <coconut> auspugs, barely, which is how it should for this channel... if you want to chat, to #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[17:24] <auspugs> no worries thanks for the heads up
[17:43] <jasonsmr> hello ubuntu channel
[17:44] <jasonsmr> interesting thing happened installing ubuntu server...
[17:44] <jasonsmr> I downloaded what I thought was the amd version for my HP Workstation right?
[17:45] <jasonsmr> well I actualy downloaded the arm64 version understandable mistake I didnt read it well
[17:46] <jasonsmr> but crazy thing is the arm64 version install completed on a amd64 system, shouldent there have been a warning preventing this?
[17:47] <jasonsmr> after instal there was all kinds of write errors ultimatly debunking the system but stil I find myself amazed it installed
[17:50] <abdulhakeem> If I use NetworkManager over networkd, should I disable the networkd services? Does leaving them enabled harm anything?
[17:50] <abdulhakeem> Server 20.04
[18:09] <abdulhakeem> If I use NetworkManager over networkd, should I disable the networkd services? Does leaving them enabled harm anything? Server 20.04
[18:11] <tatertotz> abdulhakeem: server edition doesn't have network manager by default, if you're dependent on things from the desktop edition why even use server edition? if you're only going do the best you can to add packages found in desktop edition
[18:15] <abdulhakeem> tatertotz: Because I want a server, but I also want a GUI :)
[18:18] <tatertotz> abdulhakeem: .....yeah
[18:24] <abdulhakeem> please show me the rule that says all servers must be headless
[18:29] <cncr04s> there was some recent update to openssl and all of my ssl applications get segmentation falts
[18:30] <compdoc> rule #237: all servers must be headless
[18:31] <cncr04s> it is headless
[18:31] <cncr04s> exception at 0xffffffffc9df9e20
[18:32] <rfm> abdulhakeem, without getting into this discussion about whether it's a server with a gui or a desktop that runs services, a desktop install has systemd-networkd disabled but other stuff like systemd-resolved running.
[18:33] <abdulhakeem> yeah my DNS keeps getting overwritten
[18:33] <abdulhakeem> trying to figure out why
[18:33] <abdulhakeem> figured maybe networkd or one of the other systemd services might be conflicting
[18:34] <abdulhakeem> something edited my netplan yaml but idk what
[18:34] <abdulhakeem> so maybe i need to disable resolved?
[18:35] <rfm> abdulhakeem, if something is fiddling with netplan it's probably cloud-init you need to disable
[18:36] <abdulhakeem> ah okay yeah wasn't sure what cloud-init was
[18:36] <abdulhakeem> I'll look into that
[19:08] <jasonsmr> hello ubuntu channel
[19:09] <jasonsmr> question is there any reason why there would be no /etc/network/interfaces file? using LTS server 20
[19:18] <mbeierl> Has anyone tried using their Ubuntu machine as a handsfree mic/speaker for their bluetooth phone?
[19:29] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | jasonsmr
[19:29] <leftyfb> !netplan | jasonsmr
[19:30] <jasonsmr> oh yaml configurations
[19:30] <leftyfb> jasonsmr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToNetplan
[19:31] <jasonsmr> i used to be familure with configuring yamal files for suse yast plugins
[19:31] <jasonsmr> yaml
[19:32] <jasonsmr> been away for a while
[19:46] <trashly> ,
[19:48] <cluelessperson> now bluetooth won't turn on
[19:59] <jasonsmr> okey the LTS ubuntu server version 20.04 is shutting down my pc often I dont know why
[20:00] <jasonsmr> and Im getting acpi errors and pci error and noveau error
[20:02] <jasonsmr> acpi error and apparently it is entering sleep state?
[20:04] <texla> Ubuntu 20.4 under the icon files catagory other locations partitions is listed as 70 gb volume instead of the names Folac and or mint can this be changed??
[20:11] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966084
[20:15] <trashly> On 18.04. Firefox has a bug with the bookmarking feature and refuse to shutdown without killing.
[20:16] <trashly> It only happens with Ubuntu
[20:25] <cluelessperson> I don't blame ubuntu for crappy radio/hardware, but I do blame ubuntu for unresponsive UI when hardware screws up
[20:27] <cluelessperson> Right now bluetooth isn't working at all.
[20:40] <Loshki> abdulhakeem: it's a typo. All *servants* should be headless/
[20:47] <zethius> Any one here?
[20:47] <Ben64> 1176 people
[20:47] <zethius> Wow, my /var/log directory was recently deleated by some one
[20:47] <zethius> What are my options?
[20:53] <Ben64> boot into recovery mode and recreate /var/log i guess?
[20:54] <cluelessperson> zenguy, "some one" ?
[21:01] <jo-erlend> I don't know when it started, but recently I've noticed that low-level audio keeps dropping off. Like in movies, for instance, talking is never choppy, but say birds in the background come and go as if they audio is turned on and off. Does anyone know if this is a known bug?
[21:04] <cluelessperson> jo-erlend, many audio interfaces shutoff when they think there's no sound.
[21:04] <cluelessperson> jo-erlend, maybe there's a setting not to do that
[21:04] <jo-erlend> The problem seems to go away if I turn up the audio, but that's still annoying because it means I have to have my amplifier at a lower level, giving me less range than I would like.
[21:06] <jo-erlend> cluelessperson, thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into that.
[21:28] <cluelessperson> Once a bluetooth device is paired, how is connecting capabilities handled?
[21:29] <Paddy_NI> Is there anyway to exaggerate the "locate pointer" animation when you press control?
[21:29] <Sven_vB> are there ways to limit the reach of a PPA? maybe giving a whitelist of (patterns of) which package names are acceptable from that PPA and which paths their files may be extracted to?
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Paddy_NI, no, and it's not very well implemented.
[21:30] <Sven_vB> (in focal, if relevant)
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Sven_vB, yes.
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Sven_vB, looking
[21:30] <Paddy_NI> I would like it to be much more attention grabbing as I am volunteering with a group of disabled people and it would help tremendously
[21:30] <Paddy_NI> cluelessperson, It's nice but a little too subtle for my intentions
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Sven_vB, "apt pinning" or similar
[21:31] <cluelessperson> Paddy_NI, I believe there's accessibility software that can create full screen crosshairs on the mouse.
[21:31] <sarnold> Sven_vB: no, there's no limits on what packages may be installed via a ppa, nor can you confine what those packages can do when they are being installed
[21:31] <cluelessperson> Paddy_NI, you can also greatly increase the size of the mouse pointer.
[21:32] <cluelessperson> Paddy_NI, You can also use a pointer magnifying glass in the corner.
[21:32] <Paddy_NI> I have been toying with that and also Gromit
[21:33] <Paddy_NI> Compiz had a great mouse pointer locator
[21:33] <Paddy_NI> Plugin
[21:33] <cluelessperson> Paddy_NI, I think you want Ubuntu xScope
[21:33] <Paddy_NI> cluelessperson, Thank you, I will have a look :-)
[21:33] <cluelessperson> uh, maybe not
[21:33] <cluelessperson> that's mainly for screen measuring, not accessibility
[21:34] <Paddy_NI> Ah
[21:37] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks!
[21:38] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I thought you could with apt pinning
[21:42] <sarnold> cluelessperson: I think pin is better understood as saying "I want only this handful of packages from this repo, and most everything else to come from that repo"
[21:42] <Sven_vB> is there a way to plug something into apt that will modify the list of package offers from a repo, after the original version has been downloaded and its integrity verified? then I could remove unwanted package offers at that stage. maybe with a custom apt transport?
[21:42] <cluelessperson> sarnold, yeah
[21:43] <cluelessperson> sarnold, I thought that's what they're asking.
[21:43] <cluelessperson> doesn't that do what's requested?
[21:43] <sarnold> cluelessperson: oh, perhaps I misread Sven_vB
[21:44] <cluelessperson> sarnold, my understanding is they're attempting to limit what packages might be installed from a repo
[21:46] <Sven_vB> cluelessperson, sarnold, ignoring unwanted packages would at least deter some low-motivation attacks, like uploading a kernel into the vlc PPA :)
[21:47] <scwoobles> hello people of the net, where do i find the setting to change the hostname of my pc
[21:47] <Sven_vB> cluelessperson, sarnold, of course it would still leave the problem that an evil package with legit name could still replace arbitrary files.
[21:47] <tarzeau> scwoobles: i use hostname, the command to set it and maybe also /etc/hostname /etc/hosts
[21:48] <sarnold> scwoobles: check out hostnamectl, systemd has its own ideas too
[21:48] <Sven_vB> scwoobles, the "hostname" command can set it temporarily, and the /etc/hostname says what name to use on next reboot.
[21:48] <sarnold> Sven_vB: the preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm, scripts in packages can do whatever they want as root
[21:48] <sarnold> Sven_vB: adding a malicious repo is giving someone else full root privileges on your computer
[21:49] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks for reminding me. yes those scripts are a problem, too.
[21:49] <tarzeau> Sven_vB: you can set it instantly, without reboot, if you have telinit q
[21:50] <Sven_vB> I guess I'll have to use another package manager in addition to apt then.
[21:52] <sarnold> Sven_vB: indeed; this is how we got to snaps. our click packages had a bunch of rules to try to let us reuse debs to do things safely but they brought a huge number of problems with them... so we started over to get declarative and sandboxed and so on from the start. snaps aren't perfect by any means, but that's how we got there.
[21:54] <abdulhakeem> I have ubuntu server 20.04 just functioning as a home server, is there any reason to keep cloud-init? I'm pretty sure I don't need it but I don't want to break something by removing it
[21:54] <abdulhakeem> it's not a cloud server/cloud instance so I'm pretty sure I don't need cloud-init
[21:55] <sarnold> yeah I think it should only have run once and then never again anyway; you should be good to purge it
[21:55] <abdulhakeem> ok ty
[22:00] <abdulhakeem> and then if I've switch to NetworkManager from networkd, should I just go ahead and disable all network-related systemd services? like resolved, networkd, etc.?
[22:01] <sarnold> turning off resolved is apparently pretty difficult
[22:01] <sarnold> so long as you configure systemd-networkd to not do network things first it should do nothing gracefully
[22:21] <juniorrubyist_> hello
[22:21] <juniorrubyist> hello
[22:22] <juniorrubyist> (just testing, sorry)
[22:24] <ryaeng> Where can I go to edit package descriptions?
[22:27] <Bashing-om> ryaeng: In what context ?
[22:29] <Peanut> Hi - I've booted from the 20.04 live CD, and have created /dev/md0 (to mirror my root fs) and copied the data over. Now I want to install grub, and update the initramfs on the new copy of the root, to make it bootable. Any suggestions? update-initramfs doesn't actually exist on the livecd (it just says: disabled since running on read-only media).
[22:30] <ryaeng> @Bashing-om I'm looking at the following bug.
[22:30] <ryaeng> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1085355
[22:30] <ryaeng> Typo in the description.
[22:31] <ryaeng> Upsteam it was noted that this was fixed in the latest version of lxsession but it's not a problem with lxsession. It's a problem with lxsession-edit.
[22:32] <ryaeng> This is the description that was pulled from Debian's FTP archives.
[22:32] <ryaeng> Description: configure what application start up automaticlly in LXDE
[22:36] <Bashing-om> ryaeng: A quick look - appears has been bumped to upstream - do not know what else we can do but wait and see.
[22:37] <OneM_Industries> So, I have a weird issue.
[22:37] <OneM_Industries> I have one window that will not fully maximize.
[22:38] <OneM_Industries> It "locks" to the taskbar, but won't actually maximize. It's like it's stuck in windowed mode instead of fullscreen.
[22:42] <ryaeng> @Bashing-om I suppose I could attempt to patch upstream.
[22:44] <ryaeng> @Bashing-om New to bugs in Ubuntu. Can you educate me? If a package is maintained upstream, there's nothing more we can do than report the bug upstream? Is that correct?
[23:08] <jo-erlend> Sven_vB, Debian packages are installed by running scripts as root. You can use apt pinning to make sure PPAs lose any competition with distro archives, but it does nothing for malicious packages. It's one of the reasons for Snapd.
[23:08] <Sven_vB> jo-erlend, thanks for summarizing it again!
[23:10] <Bashing-om> ryaeng: Not "that" familiar with the bug reporting process myself.
[23:10] <Bashing-om> !bug | ryaeng
[23:11] <jo-erlend> Sven_vB, I was scrolling my backlog. Didn't see that it was elaborated later. :)
[23:16] <lewie67[p]> anyone here a preseed expert? i'm having a partitioning/early_command issue i can't seem to figure out
[23:21] <Sven_vB> jo-erlend, yeah, I thought so. my reply was badly worded, I think "??? for the compact confirmation" would have been more what I meant.
[23:23] <shivaya> hi folks, I am trying to set up new autoinstall for Focus with iPXE and I can't find any reference on how to set up pxe boot file for UEFI. is there any reference somewhere?
[23:56] <snackoverflow> anyone hiring python/django devs?


[00:12] <dludldin> ok guys see you later or maybe tomorrow
[00:12] <holstein> dludldin: laterx :)
[15:54] <paultag> Anyone have some suggestions for good quarter inch tip-ring-sleeve interfaces ( over firewire or USB ) that play with Linux?
[18:27] <holstein> hey paultag
[18:27] <paultag> heyya holstein
[18:27] <holstein> the presonus firepod has balanced ins
[18:28] <holstein> BUT there was one that [lsd] mentioned the other day in OSM
[18:28] <holstein> and i forget
[18:28] <holstein> same kind of thing
[18:28] <holstein> and not much more money
[18:28] <paultag> holstein, how great is the kernel support?
[18:29] <holstein> well, i was told the other one was supported as well
[18:29] <holstein> but the firepod is plug and play
[18:29] <holstein> i never researched USB devices personally
[18:34] <paultag> :)
[18:34] <paultag> thanks holstein :)


[17:26] <leitao> anyway idea why I am getting "l is not clean, please run 'make mrproper'" when compiling a kernel using the instructions from the Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel wiki?
[17:34] <leitao> duh, it seems that I have an old .config file.
[17:36] <apw> leitao, or an empty include/config directory is the other classic
[17:40] <leitao> apw, right. where should I put my .config file that I want to use to build the kernel?
[17:40] <leitao> If I want to use a custom config file.
[17:43] <apw> leitao, one normally adds the changes to config to the appropriate leaf config
[17:43] <leitao> apw, what is leaf config in this case?
[17:43] <apw> in debian.<branch>/config/.../config.flavour.<flavour>
[17:45] <apw> and then runs fakeroot debian/rules updateconfig
[17:45] <apw> if you have an entirely unrelated config you want to use you can drop then en-toto over the same file
[17:45] <apw> and do the same thing.
[17:45] <apw> fakeroot debian/rules genconfigs will drop as will be used configs into CONFIGS/*
[17:59] <leitao> apw, it works. Thank you!
[18:02] <apw> leitao, np
[19:11] <dannf> is 4.11 still considered likely for zesty?
[19:50] <Sarvatt> dannf: nope, it'll be 4.10
[20:06] <dannf> Sarvatt: ack, thx!


[17:09] <webchat59> gurpreet
[17:10] <webchat59> any one passionate to make some crazy optimization on linux


[09:19] <Spass> I have some issues with 'cups-browsed' on 18.10 recently, it keeps crashing "cups-browsed assert failure: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer"
[10:02] <brainwash> Spass: you should let apport create a bug report
[10:03] <Spass> brainwash, apport fails to create a report
[10:03] <brainwash> why is that?
[10:04] <Spass> unfortunately I don't remember the error message now, but if it will happen again I'll remember
[10:05] <Unit193> brainwash: Thanks again for taking care of bug reports.
[10:06] <brainwash> glad I can help :)
[10:06] <brainwash> Spass: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907399
[10:07] <Unit193> Debian 907399
[10:08] <brainwash> ohh
[10:08] <brainwash> bot was gone
[10:08] <Unit193> Netsplit+channel that is +r == bad
[10:08] <Spass> "once a day" yup, that sounds right, because I had it before, today, and now I can't reproduce it
[15:28] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed Ubuntu Cloud Archive keyring into main. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=97ecd21ea89332b19415063f25b9f8ca0b049941 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)


[00:32] <mup> Bug #1594207 opened: DHCP6 problems prevent DHCP from starting <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594207>
[07:12] <mup> Bug #1590689 opened: MAAS 1.9.3 + Juju 1.25.5 - on the Juju controller node eth0 and juju-br0 interfaces have the same IP address at the same time <cpec> <juju> <maas> <sts> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by dimitern> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590689>
[10:27] <mup> Bug #1594317 opened: Cannot start lxd-bridge.service when MAAS is managing DNS <dns> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594317>
[11:27] <mup> Bug #1594325 opened: rndc-confgen: command not found <dns> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594325>
[15:05] <D4RKS1D3> Hi, someone know where is save the "pxe interface" in the postgresql database?
[15:06] <D4RKS1D3> The gui paint a grey dot in the interface.
[15:06] <D4RKS1D3> I see all the tables but I do not see this information.Thanks.
[15:35] <dannf> w/ maas 2.0, how do i deploy a node from the cli?
[15:35] <dannf> ubuntu@cvm12:~$ maas maas machine deploy 4y3h84
[15:35] <dannf> Can't start machine: it hasn't been allocated
[15:42] <jhegge> Working on CLI deploy as well, I found that I have to allocate first, something like "maas maas machines allocate system_id=4y3h84" then the deploy can be tried
[15:46] <dannf> jhegge: brilliant! thx
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1594588 opened: Hundreds of duplicate entries in /var/lib/maas/dhcp/dhcpd.leases <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594588>
[22:38] <mup> Bug #1594588 changed: Hundreds of duplicate entries in /var/lib/maas/dhcp/dhcpd.leases <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1594588>


[02:23] <robru> so I needed a headset for mumble. went to two different stores and got two different brands (yknow, just to be safe), get them both home... and neither of them actually work. one has a working ear piece with a broken mic, and the other one (which was more expensive!) does not actually work at all.
[02:27] <robru> tried them both on two different computers, so I can be reasonably sure that it's actually them, not the computer.
[02:42] <mterry> robert_ancell, I'm close to a fix.  What's your EOD?
[02:42] <mterry> (I'm talking about the average color issue)
[02:43] <robert_ancell> mterry, I'm here another 2.5 hours
[02:43] <mterry> cool
[02:43] <robert_ancell> mterry, the lightdm release is good to go, just waiting the ffe. I can make the u-g release any time you're ready
[02:44] <mterry> robert_ancell, I ended up pulling the algorithm gnome-desktop uses into unity-greeter.  We own the copyright since it's from unity and patched on top of what upstream uses for color-picker
[02:44] <robert_ancell> mterry, btw, I noticed if you move the cursor to the second monitor the layout is all messed up :(
[02:44] <mterry> robert_ancell, oh noes
[02:44] <robert_ancell> oh, easy
[02:44] <mterry> robert_ancell, I can fix that post UIF  :)
[02:44] <robert_ancell> mterry, yeah
[02:56] <mterry> robert_ancell, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-greeter/average-color/+merge/121977
[02:57] <mterry> robert_ancell, so the only other change I think may be coming for unity-greeter is Wellark_ was going to patch our spawn call for nm-applet to set an environment variable that it would use to hide some of its UI
[02:57] <robert_ancell> cool
[02:57] <mterry> robert_ancell, cyphermox didn't want to use the existing GREETER_MODE var I don't believe
[02:57] <mterry> robert_ancell, so I can either release during my day with that patch
[02:58] <mterry> robert_ancell, or you can and we can just distro patch that one-liner for a bit
[02:58] <cyphermox> mostly just want it upstreamable as much as possible, there are already so many patches in nm-applet and this is reusable outside a greeter
[02:58]  * mterry waves at cyphermox  :)
[02:58] <cyphermox> yo/sup ;)
[02:59] <robert_ancell> mterry, we can make a release today and one tomorrow
[02:59] <mterry> robert_ancell, true
[02:59] <robert_ancell> the second release should be easy to get approved if it just has that one change
[02:59] <mterry> robert_ancell, if the FFes don't come in, I'll push feature-hobbled versions to Ubuntu
[02:59] <robert_ancell> ok
[03:02] <mterry> robert_ancell, pushed.  I'll stop working now and see you again tomorrow sometime  :)
[03:02] <robert_ancell> mterry, thanks
[03:04] <RAOF> mterry: Oooh! While you're here, are you aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/duplicity/+bug/1016850 ? I can reliably reproduce this on my system.
[03:04] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1016850 in duplicity "duplicity crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in __main__: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1066: ordinal not in range(128)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:04] <mterry> RAOF, I am, it's stopped me from making backups for the past few months
[03:04] <mterry> RAOF, so I will definitely fix it
[03:04] <mterry> RAOF, but I scheduled the fix for post FF
[03:05] <RAOF> Ah, good.
[03:05] <mterry> Some utf8 issue it seems, hopefully easy fix
[03:06] <RAOF> Yeah; it's probably that I've got a (valid UTF-8) ? in a filename somewhere.
[03:08] <robert_ancell> mterry, I'm not seeing the push
[03:09] <mterry> robert_ancell, gah
[03:09] <mterry> got it
[03:09] <mterry> robert_ancell, try now
[03:09] <robert_ancell> mterry, there now, ta
[03:13]  * ml|vacation waves at raof
[03:13] <RAOF> ml|vacation: Yo!
[03:13] <RAOF> ml|vacation: How's .au treating you?
[03:14] <ml|vacation> the dry air has caused too much problems but slowly getting over it now :)
[03:14] <ml|vacation> other than that great
[03:15] <RAOF> You're way out in inland NSW?
[03:15] <ml|vacation> yeah was in newcastle yesterday, lot better there
[03:16] <RAOF> What with the ocean and all!
[03:16] <ml|vacation> ;D
[03:17] <ml|vacation> think i saw a kangaroo on the way back from NSW too, small one though
[03:17] <ml|vacation> near the side of the road
[03:18] <RAOF> I'm surprise you haven't seen lots of them.
[03:18] <RAOF> They're usually pretty numerous.
[03:18] <RAOF> Also: quite like jumping out in front of cars.
[03:18] <ml|vacation> yeah..
[03:19] <ml|vacation> was warned about that
[03:19] <ml|vacation> it even has its own sign, watch out for kangaroos, made me laugh
[03:20] <ml|vacation> and all the driving on the wrong side of the road is weird
[03:21] <ml|vacation> arrrrrk
[03:23] <RAOF> Heh
[03:25] <ml|vacation> according to the person that typed arrrk, you're no fun
[03:41] <RAOF> ??
[03:56] <ml|vacation> visiting a friend while here ;)
[03:56] <ml|vacation> *:)
[04:35] <pitti> Bonjour
[04:47] <RAOF> Hm. That's not going to end well. Shotwell is up to 13.5GB virt.
[04:53] <pitti> urgh, you have that much RAM?
[05:24] <RAOF> Ram + swap, yes. Not *much* more ram + swap than that, which is why the OOM killer kicked in shortly after.
[05:29] <lickalott> wondering if anyone has seen this issue before:  I have 3 drives mounted through fstab and shared out via NFS through exports.  Im also sharing one of the drive out via apache.  After the apache installation and configuration, I can't "map network drive"(nfs) the one drive that is shared out on apache
[08:09] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:09] <pitti> c'est un homme français!
[08:20] <davidcalle> seb128, hey, le changement de langue par défaut est prévu pour quand déjà? ;)
[08:22] <seb128> davidcalle, salut, tu fais bien de le rappeler, on devrait faire ça cette semaine si on le veut pour beta1
[08:22] <seb128> ;-)
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va ?
[08:23] <pitti> seb128: un peu mieux; I caught a cold from my wife :/
[08:23] <seb128> oh :-(
[08:23] <seb128> summer is not the season for colds!
[08:24] <AfC> it's winter
[08:24] <pitti> that's what I told her as well; il fait froid!
[08:24] <pitti> it's been 10 degrees in the mornings now
[08:25] <seb128> ici aussi...
[08:31] <davidcalle> seb128, the photos lens mir has been answered, I've fixed the first issue (Flickr -> https), but I'm wondering if the request of deploying a brand new python3-oauth2 package is not out of scope at this point of the cycle.
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, ca va ?
[08:32] <davidcalle> hey chrisccoulson
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, good thanks. how are you?
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> hi davidcalle, how are you?
[08:33] <davidcalle> chrisccoulson, good, thanks
[08:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[08:33] <seb128> davidcalle, it wouldn't make a big difference for you, would it? We just need somebody to get you that package available right?
[08:34] <davidcalle> seb128, right, it wouldn't make any difference for me.
[08:35] <seb128> davidcalle, ok, don't bother much then, I will see with Ken to get that problem solved
[08:35] <davidcalle> seb128, oh ok then, ty
[08:36] <seb128> davidcalle, yw!
[08:38] <ogra_> seb128, i was pointed to bug 1043589, you might want to close it with the next upload :)
[08:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1043589 in compiz "[FFe] Add support for OpenGL|ES" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043589
[08:38] <ogra_> (if you dont have it on the radar already)
[08:40] <seb128> ogra_, cf #ubuntu-release :p
[08:42] <seb128> ogra_, but thanks for thinking about it and telling me ;-)
[08:43] <ogra_> :)
[08:43] <xnox> seb128: what is the minimum screen resolution ubuntu desktop supports?
[08:43] <seb128> xnox, we don't have such notion I think
[08:43] <seb128> xnox, as low as xorg supports? 320x200?
[08:44] <ogra_> 800x600 i think
[08:44] <ogra_> wrt app sizes at least
[08:44] <seb128> I don't understand the question
[08:44] <seb128> ogra_, well, you can go lower, it's just not a nice experience...
[08:44] <xnox> seb128: but we do. With 320x200 you will not see "continue" button in ubiquity for example, and will fail to install.
[08:44] <ogra_> seb128, we once defined that all apps have to fit on 600 vertical pixels, didnt we ?
[08:44] <seb128> xnox, you can alt-click-dnd to access it
[08:44] <ogra_> or OSG (or however they were called back then) did
[08:45] <seb128> ogra_, I don't think we did, we have stuff that are known to not fit
[08:45] <xnox> seb128: virtual desktops, for the win?!
[08:45] <ogra_> probably it was only ubiquity ...
[08:45] <seb128> xnox, being able to dnd part of dialogs out of the screen for the win
[08:45]  * ogra_ isnt sure anymore but i know there was some work invested ...
[08:46] <xnox> seb128: how tall is the top unity bar?
[08:46] <seb128> xnox, I'm not sure what you are trying to figure out, but yeah, 800x600 is what we would recommend to have, though we don't go out of our way to block users to run ubuntu if their screen is lower resoluition
[08:46] <ogra_> (back when there still was a mobile team and unity-2d was just being developed)
[08:47] <seb128> xnox, 24 pixels I think
[08:47] <seb128> or maybe 16 ;-)
[08:47] <xnox> seb128: I have a failing unit test in ubiquity: if there is an existing old ubuntu installation(s) i need to present the following options: upgrade in-place, erase and reinstall, dual-boot, wipe all and setup full-disk encryption, lvm & manual partitining..... I am running out of vertical pixels. And currently a unit test limits me to 500px height.
[08:47] <seb128> take a screen, open it in gimp and look :p
[08:48] <xnox> =P
[08:48] <xnox> seb128: retina display, anyone?!
[08:48] <xnox> =)
[08:48] <seb128> xnox, we used to have top and bottom panels and wm decorations
[08:48] <seb128> but 500pixel seems a good limit
[08:48] <xnox> uhah =)
[08:49] <AfC> You use Xephyr to test various things, right?
[08:52] <xnox> AfC: not for the installer, Xephyr is not running in the LiveCD. I use VMs
[08:52] <AfC> Hm.
[08:52] <AfC> xnox: do you now anyone using it for $whatever?
[08:52] <AfC> xnox: do you know* anyone using it for $whatever?
[08:53] <AfC> (I should just put my question)
[08:53] <AfC> Does anyone know how to get e.g. themeing to work in a nested X server like Xephyr or Xvfb?
[08:53] <AfC> Right now there's no window manager or settings demon, so there's no GTK theme, so using it to take snapshots for documentation is rather horrid
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i wonder why ken is requesting a FFe for bug 1040313? the patch is in a future stable update (Firefox 17) anyway, so that seems a bit pointless :/
[09:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040313 in firefox "[FFE] Need access to native handle for tabs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040313
[09:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, people tend to forget that firefox has a special update status that let it land features any time :p
[09:02] <ogra_> if its carried as a patch until v17 enters the archive it needs an FFe
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, that seems like a waste of time. what's going to happen if the request is rejected? it  just means that it will land, but a few weeks later instead
[09:03] <seb128> ogra_, that's a bit stupid rule since the feature will land anyway even if nacked
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> it seems like busy-work to me ;)
[09:04] <ogra_> well, not sure that is the actual rule ... its the assumption under which i ask for FFe's
[09:04] <ogra_> :)
[09:04] <seb128> ogra_, which makes sense for everything bug firefox
[09:04] <ogra_> if there is a patch to be maintained ...
[09:04] <seb128> since nothing else will land new features in a security update :p
[09:04] <xnox> some of the stuff I want to land are bug-fixes, unless past the User Interface Freeze, in which case I'll need exceptions?!
[09:04] <ogra_> xnox, no
[09:05] <ogra_> bug fixes that dont add new features are always fine
[09:05] <ogra_> same goes for minor version upgrades of packages
[09:05] <xnox> ogra_: in that case there are not 4 ubiquity FFe bugs, but 2
[09:05] <ogra_> major needds an FFe, minor doesnt
[09:05] <ogra_> (unless its firefox indeed :) )
[09:05]  * xnox doesn't do firefox =)
[09:06]  * xnox 's messaging menu.... is well.... small
[09:07] <seb128> xnox, how small?
[09:09] <xnox> seb128: it's usually ~ twice as long. But I'm confused what's missing
[09:09] <seb128> xnox, things that didn't get ported to the new protocol include: evolution pidgin liferea unity-webapp
[09:11] <xnox> seb128: for some reason empathy is there & thunderbird is taking less space. I have pleanty of unread folders, but it's not showing them. Xchat not ported either?
[09:12] <seb128> xnox, xchat is ported
[09:12]  * xnox doesn't use empathy nor launches it
[09:12] <seb128> did you upgrade xchat-indicator and restart xchat since?
[09:12] <seb128> xnox, tb should work ... is it listed at all?
[09:12] <xnox> yeah.
[09:13] <xnox> everything is listed, just taking less space. & empathy appeared althought it shouldn't be there
[09:13] <seb128> xnox, maybe sure you don't have an old messaging extension in .thunderbird hijacking the system one
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> anyone with either a lucid, oneiric or precise install wants to pick a build from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next to check it works before i turn publishing back on? :)
[09:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what sort of testing do you want?
[09:22] <seb128> just "it starts, my awesome bar content is still there"?
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, literally just to make sure that it's not completely broken :)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, pretty much
[09:23] <seb128> can do that
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks :)
[09:23] <seb128> yw
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i just replaced the batteries in my mouse because the cursor has been stuttering all morning, and i thought they were discharged
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> but, no improvement
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> and it seems that compiz and xorg are happily chewing away at my CPU
[09:39] <ogra_> change the batteries in your computer :)
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:54]  * xnox can't see mouse pointer in the VM =/
[09:58] <pitti> xnox: try with -vga vmware ?
[10:00] <xnox> pitti: KVM/VirtManager?
[10:00] <pitti> I don't know virt-manager, I always run kvm from the command line
[10:00] <pitti> xnox: with either -vga std or -vga vmware I get the same effect
[10:00] <xnox> ok.
[10:00] <xnox> on the next run ;-)
[10:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, works fine on precise, got a running firefox 16 with my startage, awesome bar content, bookmarks, etc
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, excellent, thanks!
[10:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yw
[10:25] <Chipaca> o/
[10:27]  * Chipaca was about to complain, but an update related to the complaint just came in, so is retesting... :)
[10:27]  * Chipaca hates only talking in here when things break
[10:29] <seb128> Chipaca, hey
[10:29] <seb128> Chipaca, what is the issue?
[10:30] <Chipaca> seb128: hey yourself! :)
[10:30] <Chipaca> seb128: mousepad scroll stopped working
[10:30] <seb128> oh, that's something for #ubuntu-x ... if somebody broke it, it's them ;-)
[10:31] <Chipaca> seb128: just got an updated kernel and an updated libsyndaemon, so am going to reboot
[10:31] <Chipaca> seb128: I am never sure how the pie is cut wrt desktop vs x vs kernel
[10:31] <Chipaca> seb128: thanks :)
[10:31] <seb128> yw
[10:31] <seb128> could be kernel as well yes ;-)
[10:31] <xnox> somebody reported scroll wheel stopped working in VirtualBox.... against ubiquity
[10:32] <dpm> hi pitti, seb128, I've finally come round to generating the first Q language pack, but it fails with an error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1175572/ - this seems similar to what happened when I was building the 12.04.1 langpacks: langpack-o-matic tries to download static translations (docs) from LP through the API, and LP is blocking that (too many requests). Could someone from the desktop team give me a hand with that?
[10:32] <dpm> let me ask the LP folks about it too
[10:32] <pitti> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[10:32] <pitti> really?
[10:33] <pitti> dpm: I didn't see "too many requests" before; is that new?
[10:33] <pitti> but then again, LP times out all the time since the DC migration, so that is a new error
[10:34] <dpm> pitti, yeah, aparently that was introduced recently. They made another change when I spoke to them about langpack-o-matic failing, so that I could run it for 12.04.1, which it did. But now this seems quite similar to what happened back then
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> Chipaca, do you mean that edge-scrolling is broken for you?
[10:35] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: i do
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> Chipaca, ah, you're not alone (bug 1041594) :)
[10:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041594 in linux "Edge scrolling on touchpad broken since the upgrade to 3.5.0-11" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041594
[10:35] <pitti> dpm: hm, if we can't download the static tarballs, I'm not sure how to build langpacks; did they say something about the nature of that error?
[10:36] <pitti> dpm: do they have a new rate limit for this or so?
[10:36] <dpm> pitti, about to ask them, I was looking for some context in my xchat logs from last time I spoke to the lp team
[10:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I like how any kernel bug reported is immediatly set to incomplete...NOT
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:39] <seb128> they try their best to make sure you don't report bugs again...
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, reporting kernel bugs can be a frustrating experience
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> but then, i imagine that reporting firefox bugs can be as well. especially when i insist that people read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs ;)
[10:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you both hate your users :p
[10:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I wouldn't manage to fully read that wikipage without falling asleep midway I think
[10:44] <seb128> I should bookmark it as an evening read :p
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> you can sort-of get the idea of how to report a bug by looking at the contents on the right-hand side
[10:45]  * seb128 likes to "doesn't work, please help, kthxby" bugs :p
[10:45] <seb128> +report
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> eg, "Use Apport", "Try running in safe mode", "Be specific" etc :)
[10:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but yeah, dealing with high number of reports is tricky :-(
[10:46] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: tested 3.6.0-030600rc3.201208221735. Bug has been fixed there.
[10:46] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: (have updated the bug with the exact same comment. Retagged, also)
[10:47] <dpm> pitti, anyway, I asked on #launchpad-dev a while ago, waiting for an answer
[10:47] <pitti> dpm: thanks
[10:47] <Chipaca> seb128: chrisccoulson: I love that it's fairly quickly responded to with usually quite good and clear (and simple) instructions on how to progress
[10:48] <Chipaca> seb128: chrisccoulson: especially if I have to choose between that and the kind of response bug #1021661 has gotten
[10:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1021661 in bamf "emacs window not picked up on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021661
[10:48] <seb128> Chipaca, yeah, it's just annoying that you have to fight with a bot doing "is it fixed yet for you?" -> incomplete at each kernel upload
[10:48] <seb128> Chipaca, I like better the "no reply" way personally
[10:49] <seb128> Chipaca, at least they don't insist on putting the bug incomplete and getting it closed without having an human reading it
[10:50] <Chipaca> seb128: the automated response is usually empowering (granted it can get long, like the panel bug i had that wasn't fixed for a whole release of kernel updates). The no-reply makes me feel powerless, frustrated, and ultimately unhappy about using the product
[10:51] <seb128> Chipaca, I guess different people react differently ;-)
[10:51] <seb128> Chipaca, I find insulting to put my bug to incomplete when nobody put the effort to read it
[10:51] <seb128> Chipaca, I had bug where it was clearly an issue that didn't need testing with a new version of anything the automated replied commented
[10:51] <Chipaca> that bit might be down to attitude. I assume all my bugreports are quite incomplete :)
[10:52] <seb128> Chipaca, well I had example where I had specific hints and questions for the other side
[10:52] <seb128> Chipaca, which got granted with "let's give an automated reply which has nothing to do with what you were asking"
[10:52] <seb128> granted->welcomed
[10:53] <Chipaca> false cousins, there
[10:53] <seb128> then I had to fight for 6 months reopening the bug after each kernel upload saying "that's still something I wanted to discuss, not something to test"
[10:53] <seb128> Chipaca, yeah ;-)
[10:58] <dpm> pitti, while investigating the langpack issue, here's some context on what happened last time if you're interested: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1175613/
[11:01] <pitti> dpm: hm, but from your recent log it seems that getPackageUploads() already succeeded? it already starts downloading the tarballs, after all?
[11:02] <dpm> pitti, yeah, and didn't get a LP oops this time around. I'm just guessing and seeing if someone in LP can throw some light on it
[11:02] <pitti> dpm: "fetching tarballs..." that comes from create_static_tarballs(), which is called after all tarball URLs have been fetched from LP
[11:02] <pitti> and I don't see an LP error
[11:03] <pitti> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[11:03] <pitti> tar: Child returned status 1
[11:03] <pitti> this rather looks like a broken tarball
[11:03] <pitti> $ wget -O- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+upload/4494487/+files/gnome-orca_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_static_translations.tar.gz | tar tz
[11:03] <pitti> that works, so I don't think it's something specifically broken to that tarball
[11:04] <dpm> pitti, ah, it seems the run started at 10:00 UTC, which is pretty close to the LP database disconnect
[11:04] <pitti> dpm: My suspicion is that the urlretrieve() to that URL got back an error .html page
[11:04] <pitti> so trying it again has a pretty high chance of working, AFAICS
[11:04]  * dpm restarts
[11:05] <dpm> err *retries
[11:05] <pitti> don't restart yourself :)
[11:05] <pitti> it took some 30 years to get you so far!
[11:06] <dpm> :-)
[11:07] <dpm> yeah, with lots of trial and error :)
[11:21] <xnox> seb128: hmmm... on 800 or less screens launcher should really hide, otherwise it's not usable.
[11:23] <Chipaca> xnox: doesn't it?
[11:24] <xnox> Chipaca: just now in a VM I had to change the settings in the appearance.
[11:24] <xnox> Chipaca: it's ok for the installer~ish.
[11:37] <seb128> xnox, what is not usable?
[11:38] <xnox> seb128: ubiquity =) (me develops ubiquity, loves ubiquity, and cares only about ubiquity)
[11:38] <xnox> seb128: from try ubuntu session, no way to click continue =) and the screen is chopped off to the right and bottom. It's ok in the "install-only" mode.
[11:39] <xnox> as there is no launcher there.
[11:39] <xnox> i guess wait for bugs, then worry about it now.
[11:40] <seb128> xnox, ubiquity is bloated if it doesn't fit on 800 ;-)
[11:41] <seb128> but I guess hidding the launcher on small screens where you need the space could make sense, that would need to go through design though
[11:45] <ogra_> seb128, the point is that it fits ... it just doesnt once there are any desktop elements
[11:45] <ogra_> xnox, just make casper detect the screen size or so and make it run onyl-ubiquity if the space isnt sufficient
[11:46] <seb128> ogra_, well, we never had no desktop element on the liveCD
[11:46] <ogra_> seb128, we doo, all arm images run with only-ubiquity set
[11:47] <ogra_> seb128, and i think if we know that it wont fit, the image should be clever enough to suppress the desktop altogether ...
[11:48] <ogra_> (not your prob indeed :) )
[11:48] <seb128> ogra_, what I'm saying that "you have no desktop chrome" is something which was never true on the live system in desktop mode
[11:48] <seb128> we had always had panels on top and bottom
[11:49] <seb128> ubiquity should start itself in fullscreen mode if that's the intent
[11:52] <ogra_> thats what i'm saying :)
[11:59] <xnox> seb128: fullscreen is not the intent (ugly on normal & large screens), does make sense on tiny screens. But it's a "window manager" problem ;-)
[12:18] <ogra_> xnox, there is surely no prob to read the EDID of your monitor to find out if its capable of more than 800x600 ... if not just start ubiquity-dm instead of a desktop session
[12:42] <ogra_> heh, todays panda image is "intresting" ... GLES enabled drivers but no GLES enabled desktop ... it still works in a quite funny way
[12:43] <seb128> ogra_, hopefully Laney acks compiz GLES, he had questions on the FFe bug :p
[12:43] <seb128> otherwise no arm desktop for beta1
[12:43] <ogra_> eek
[12:43] <ogra_> Laney, stop that !
[12:43] <ogra_> :)
[12:45] <Laney> :P
[12:46] <Laney> ogra_: so how was it running on your panda?
[12:46] <ogra_> Laney, better than unity-2d
[12:46] <ogra_> there are some cursor flickering issues ...
[12:46] <Laney> yeah I looked at the bug list
[12:46] <ogra_> but no matter how it runs, getting it in is our only opportunity to have ubuntu-desktop on arm
[12:47] <ogra_> which is a mgmt requirement, so if its not suitable, it needs fixing, it *has* to go in this cycle
[12:47] <Laney> can we get the most important bugs milestoned?
[12:47] <ogra_> we should get them all milestoned (well, everything above Low at least)
[12:47] <ogra_> and unmilestone if needed
[12:49] <ogra_> though, looking at that list, all nvidia and nouveau ones are not valid (GLES wotn be enabled on x86)
[12:50] <ogra_> and i'm also pretty sure BUILD_GLES isnt intresting for us anymore
[12:57] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ls /var/crash/
[12:57] <ogra_> _usr_bin_telepathy-indicator.1000.crash  _usr_lib_indicator-datetime_indicator-datetime-service.1000.crash  _usr_share_apport_apport-gtk.1000.crash  _usr_share_software-center_update-software-center.0.crash
[12:57] <Laney> seb128: approved
[12:57] <ogra_> wow, intresting, i would have expected to see at least one compiz crash in there
[12:57]  * ogra_ hugs Laney
[12:57] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[12:58] <ogra_> Laney, you just ended a two year ongoing oddysey for me :)
[12:59] <Laney> heh
[12:59]  * Laney sends ogra_ off to run a bar by the sea
[12:59] <ogra_> haha
[13:00] <Laney> seb128: for unity, is this the last FFe we're anticipating?
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, no
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, but for beta1 yes
[13:01] <seb128> Laney, they still want to land a feature to disable,enable workspace apparently, that can be argued over after beta1, also support for xim input methods
[13:01] <seb128> Laney, why?
[13:03] <Laney> seb128: just trying to get a handle on where we're at
[13:03] <Laney> I have this feeling that the feature freeze process doesn't work so well for parts of our platform
[13:03] <seb128> Laney, imho we need to land that and we will have most of the work landed, other stuff are mostly details
[13:04] <seb128> Laney, I'm open to discuss improvements to the process (maybe at UDS), what do you think doesn't work there?
[13:05] <Laney> We always end up getting things that "need" exceptions, which are known quite far in advance
[13:05] <Laney> I imagine some kind of conversation around freeze time where we ack/nack features as a whole
[13:06] <seb128> isn't that what we have at this point?
[13:06] <Laney> like it's not really an option to nack unity now really
[13:06] <seb128> you are saying it's too late for the conversation?
[13:07] <seb128> no, but there is no solution to that problem, out of unity team to be better organized and land their stuff on a regular basis
[13:08] <Laney> but there's no incentive to do that if it's going to get in anyway
[13:08] <Laney> I think I will propose a UDS topic about it
[13:09] <seb128> I don't understand what you suggest changing
[13:09] <seb128> they are things Ubuntu has little control on
[13:09] <Laney> it's pointless filing freeze exceptions that we have to accept anyway
[13:09] <seb128> it's like firefox, we had to take new versions as SRUs
[13:09] <Laney> so we might as well do something about it to not waste time
[13:09] <seb128> we don't "have to", we could state we stay on the precise version
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> isn't this really a side effect of that fact that we try to mix a time-based release process with a feature-based one?
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> ie, if we had a truly time-based release, we'd just nack all features after a certain cut-off date, and there'd be no such thing as a FFe
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> a bit like mozilla's release process ;)
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> (ie, if it doesn't make the 6 week cut-off - tough luck)
[13:11] <seb128> well, where we are aiming at is a rolling release
[13:11] <seb128> that's the 6 month cycle screwing us
[13:11] <seb128> we should just land features are they get ready
[13:12] <seb128> the issue is that 6 months is a long time in that industry
[13:12] <seb128> so you get quite some insensitive to have stuff 90% done landing now and not delayed by 6 months
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i agree
[13:13] <Laney> it does say something to me if even our own upstreams aren't sticking to our release schedule
[13:14] <seb128> they try
[13:14] <ogra_> Laney, sounds like you want the old general freeze exception for desktop stuff back we had in gnome 2.x days
[13:14] <Laney> I don't really know what I want
[13:14] <Laney> someone wiser than me to decide :-)
[13:14] <chrisccoulson> i know what i want
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> coffee!
[13:15] <seb128> hum, and cake!
[13:15] <Laney> aaaaaaaanyway
[13:15] <Laney> do you want to land this unity for b1?
[13:17] <Laney> there we go
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> cool, bt have confirmed there is a fault on my phone line :)
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> now, lets hope they fix it!
[13:39] <mterry> tedg, there is a question for you in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039636 about the PAM config
[13:39] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039636 in lightdm-remote-session-freerdp "[MIR] lightdm-remote-session-freerdp" [Undecided,In progress]
[13:40] <tedg> mterry, Thanks, just getting to mail :-)
[13:40] <tedg> mterry, I will respond
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> sigh @ bug 1043831
[14:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1043831 in firefox "quantal 3.5.0-13-generic firefox 15.0 crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043831
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> why do people think that these types of reports are useful :/
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> he even declined submitting the crash report
[14:56] <veric> can anyone help me with vid issue : at the moument vids play only on youtube
[14:56] <ogra_> veric, support is in #ubuntu
[14:58] <veric> yea i know they sugested someone here in desktop might have more experance for desktop 12.04
[15:01] <seb128> veric, sorry but if we started doing user support, others would come as well to get their problem looked at we would soon be doing that full time and not get any of the things we need to get worked done
[15:03] <ogra_> you could just make double shifts a default :)
[15:03] <ogra_> (or since you all already work double shifts, make it double double shifts ;) )
[15:57] <pitti> bonsoir mes amis
[16:20] <xnox> micahg: well if you get the timezones right there is about 51 hours available in a given calendar day. One needs multiple slaves in different timezones & efficient hand-overs.
[16:22] <micahg> xnox: the problem is each unit is limited to a 24 hour day
[16:23] <xnox> micahg: true and as a collection they suffer from split brain syndrome
[16:42] <cyphermox> Laney: can you accept FFEs?
[17:29] <mterry> cyphermox, I'm tracking the progress of the various remote-login stuff.  Do you think you'll be able to get to the NM_APPLET_HIDE_POLICY_ITEMS merge today?  https://code.launchpad.net/~bikini-atoll-squad/network-manager-applet/unity-greeter/+merge/121899
[17:30] <cyphermox> yes, it will land today
[17:30] <cyphermox> in a few minutes actually, just finishing up indicator-sync first
[17:30] <mterry> sweet, thanks!
[17:30] <mterry> yeah, i've been wanting to play with the sync indicator
[17:39] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[17:43] <jbicha> seb128: hi
[17:43] <seb128> jbicha, can you join #gnome-hackers?
[17:46] <jbicha> we're not bothering with making a nautilus-3.6 package for quantal, are we?
[17:54] <seb128> jbicha, I would recommend people to just use the ppa for that
[18:20] <mhr3> seb128, btw here's the ffe https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1043915, do i need to subscribe the release team or someone?
[18:20] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1043915 in unity "FFe: Home lens ordering" [Undecided,New]
[18:26] <mterry> mhr3, yeah, subscribe ubuntu-release
[18:26] <mhr3> mterry, k, thx
[18:27] <mterry> mhr3, also, I'd add an ubuntu task there
[18:28] <mhr3> great
[18:40] <kenvandine> davidcalle, hey, i have a question about the photos lens update
[18:43] <seb128> mhr3, what mterry said, it would be good maybe to add a bit more details on the logic change, what will be on top and why
[19:00] <mterry> jbicha, you got featured in slashdot  :)
[19:01] <cyphermox> mterry: nm-applet is in; I'm going for a very very late lunch now :)
[19:01] <cyphermox> bbl
[19:01]  * mterry hugs cyphermox
[19:03] <mterry> kenvandine, looks like photo-lens is headed for more paperwork to approve the python3 port of a module
[19:03] <kenvandine> which module?
[19:03] <mterry> kenvandine, or heck, at this point a FFe too I suppose
[19:03] <mterry> kenvandine, the MIR comments indicate that security isn't happy with the embedded oauth2 module
[19:04] <kenvandine> oh that
[19:04] <kenvandine> grr
[19:04] <mterry> kenvandine, you know...
[19:04] <kenvandine> davidcalle, ^^
[19:04] <mterry> kenvandine, the python3 issues were a release goal and thus MIR team helped out by keeping python2 from entering.  But maybe we can poke barry about that now that we know we woon't make it
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine, my point being maybe we could revert to python2...?
[19:05] <mterry> kenvandine, but better long term to just port oauth2
[19:06] <kenvandine> it won't make it
[19:06] <kenvandine> mterry, i just talked to barry about that yesterday
[19:06] <mterry> kenvandine, you mean python3 only?  yeah, defs not
[19:07] <mterry> kenvandine, but it's a separate question of whether we're OK with making things worse for us next time
[19:07] <mterry> kenvandine, here it'd be a matter of two FFes (one for python3 oauth, one for lens) vs one (just a python2 lens)
[19:07] <kenvandine> i see
[19:07] <kenvandine> either way it has to happen in time for 13.04
[19:08] <kenvandine> and the port to py3 is done for the lens
[19:08] <mterry> kenvandine, you're talking about python3 now?
[19:09] <mterry> kenvandine, an un-embedded oauth2 (regardless of python2 or 3) will also require another MIR
[19:09] <mterry> kenvandine, how bad do you want the photo lens?  :)
[19:10] <davidcalle> mterry, there will still be Py2 packages on the CD at release time?
[19:10] <kenvandine> davidcalle, yes
[19:10] <kenvandine> we didn't quite make that goal
[19:11] <kenvandine> mterry, it isn't me that wants it :)
[19:11] <kenvandine> :-D
[19:13] <seb128> kenvandine, is there anything that block landing a python3 version of that package?
[19:14] <kenvandine> the embedded oauth2
[19:15] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, that's my question, is there anything blocking doing a python3-oauth2 from python-oauth?
[19:15] <seb128> kenvandine, like, why do we need a copy?
[19:16] <seb128> kenvandine, rather than solving the issue at the right place
[19:17] <kenvandine> someone needs to do it
[19:18] <seb128> kenvandine, look around you, who can you see? :-p
[19:19] <kenvandine> i can't see myself :)
[19:20] <mterry> seb128, kenvandine: well, python-oauth2 is also in universe.  Needs a MIR too then
[19:20] <seb128> kenvandine, ahah
[19:20] <mterry> seb128, I've asked jdstrand whether he prefers oauthlib or oauth2.  Curious on that answer before I go the MIR route
[19:21] <mterry> (since oauthlib is in main already)
[19:21] <seb128> mterry, ok
[19:46] <jdstrand> mterry: fyi, I responded
[19:47] <mterry> jdstrand, I don't know what oauthlib's support for oauth2 is really
[19:47] <mterry> jdstrand, it's latest release (unpackaged) claims to support it
[19:48] <mterry> But that was pretty recent
[19:48] <jdstrand> mterry: it may need to be ported too...
[19:49] <mterry> jdstrand, yeah it needs a python3 port
[19:49] <mterry> jdstrand, so oauth2 is much easier for me.  But I didn't know how much you'd hate a second oauth implementation
[19:49] <mterry> I'm not thrilled, but it would be easier anyway
[19:50] <jdstrand> well 'best' would be one package in main that everything uses, in this case, that sounds like extra work (porting, packaging and updating unity-lens-photos) as opposed to just packaging work for python-oauth2
[19:51] <jdstrand> no, it isn't thrilling, but I think it is ok. maybe we could look at using oauthlib after it gets py3 support
[19:53] <mterry> jdstrand, is python-oauth2 OK for you in main from a security point?  (like, if I file a MIR, do you want another pass at it?)
[19:53] <mterry> jdstrand, aside from issues of having 2 of them.  Like, is the code itself OK
[19:54] <jdstrand> mterry: no, I don't need to look at it again. I'm comfortable with it so long as the testsuite is worked out for both py2 and py3. I don't know that it will be possible to make it run on the buildd as it seemed to need the network
[19:54] <mterry> :-/
[19:54] <jdstrand> but having the testsuite work is important
[19:54] <jdstrand> mterry: I didn't poke super hard it it
[20:00] <mterry> cyphermox, you sure that nm-applet branch got pushed?
[20:00] <cyphermox> ah, yes?
[20:01] <cyphermox> mterry: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2
[20:02] <mterry> cyphermox, ah, I'm an idiot.  I was checking the non -applet package.  And the merge request didn't show merged status, so I figured something went wrong
[20:05] <cyphermox> oh, yeah, I guess I should push this
[20:53] <mterry> sebdebug, ?
[20:53] <mterry> sebdebug, I got a package coming through NEW soon if you could
[20:54] <mterry> sebdebug, new wallpapers
[21:01] <seb128> mterry, sure can, sorry I was debugging xchat-indicator yesterday on that machine and I forgot to reset my nickname :p
[21:01] <mterry> seb128, ubuntu-wallpapers-quantal to be precise.  (haha)
[21:01] <mterry> never gets old
[21:01] <seb128> ;-)
[21:02] <seb128> mterry, wait, I need to stop laughing first :p
[21:02] <mterry> "Ubuntu 12.10 delayed, developers too busy guffawing"
[21:02] <thumper> hi seb128
[21:02] <thumper> seb128: fun times?
[21:04] <bryce> heya thumper, any new discoveries with your misbehaving mouse?
[21:04] <thumper> bryce: not at this stage
[21:04] <thumper> bryce: been somewhat chaotic
[21:05] <seb128> thumper, hey, yeah, freeze weeks are always fun :p
[21:05] <thumper> bryce: wondering if the pulsing red light means low battery :)
[21:05] <bryce> thumper, :-)
[21:05] <seb128> mterry, you got lucky that we dropped the CD, that binary is 1MB over the precise one
[21:06] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  They loved more wallpapers than they promised (12 instead of 10) and went for higher quality versions than precise
[21:10] <seb128> mterry, NEWed, nice selection ;-p
[21:10] <seb128> ;-)
[21:10] <mterry> seb128, awesome, thanks
[21:10] <mterry> I picked well, I agree  :)
[21:10] <mterry> Phew, that's it for me for UIFreeze
[21:15] <seb128> mterry, maybe you could try to make the lock screen nicer, we could ask a UIF for it :p
[21:15]  * mterry shakes his fist at seb128
[21:15]  * seb128 can't believe we are at UIF again and the damn lock screen is still that grey rectangle
[21:15] <mterry> seb128, you have to learn to love it
[21:15] <seb128> seems so :-(
[21:15] <mterry> robert_ancell will make it real pretty in 13.04
[21:16] <seb128> or claim I stop carring about security
[21:16] <robert_ancell> real pretty hur hur
[21:16] <seb128> that's decided, I'm never locking my screen again
[21:16] <mterry> That's another solution, yeah  :)
[21:16]  * mterry waves at robert_ancell
[21:17] <seb128> I will blame one of you if somebody hack my laptop
[21:17] <seb128> ;-)
[21:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, good morning
[21:17] <robert_ancell> mterry, hey, just checking email now, so we've got lightdm with remote sessions disabled and u-g waiting for ffe?
[21:17] <mterry> robert_ancell, I pushed out lightdm and unity-greeter releases, the NM applet is enabled, remote login is disabled
[21:18] <mterry> robert_ancell, blocked on security review for new packages needed there
[21:18] <robert_ancell> ok
[21:18] <mterry> robert_ancell, but to enable it, a simple matter of dropping patches
[21:19] <robert_ancell> seb128, did you have a look at the gexiv2 package?
[21:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, just looking
[21:22] <seb128> had a look from the web ui earlier but I don't understand why they are pyhon-* binaries
[21:27] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I'm not sure about those. They have a .py file to provide a more pythonic interface to the GIR I think (though I don't know why that's needed). I guess they shouldn't go into the -dev or gir1.2- packages because you may not be using python
[21:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, they should be in the gir
[21:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok
[21:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, how do you know?
[21:30] <seb128> robert_ancell,
[21:30] <seb128> $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides
[21:30] <seb128> gedit, gir1.2-unity-5.0, gir1.2-dee-1.0, gir1.2-dee-0.5, python-gi: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides
[21:30] <robert_ancell> ok
[21:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, plenty of examples doing that :p
[21:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, I think ken and pitti discussed that before, I trust dee to be an example done right
[21:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, so yeah, drop the 2 python binaries and put those in the gir...we need a FFe, do you want me to  update the bug for that?
[21:32] <robert_ancell> seb128, sure
[21:33] <seb128> robert_ancell, you need to dh --with gir to get gir:Depends to work
[21:34] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh dee doesn't do that. It has dh_girepository in override_dh_gencontrol. Is that the old method
[21:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, both work, but yeah, that pre-date the gir dh integration I guess
[21:35] <seb128> gobject-introspection: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/gir.pm
[21:36] <robert_ancell> ech perl. I'm not reading that
[21:36] <seb128> ;-)
[21:38] <seb128> robert_ancell, you probably lack a build-depends on python-gi
[21:38] <seb128> robert_ancell, their Makefile does
[21:39] <seb128> PYTHON="import gi; print(gi._overridesdir)"
[21:39] <seb128> that will require it
[21:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, right
[21:39] <robert_ancell> annoying custom makefiles
[21:39] <seb128> indeed...
[21:40] <seb128> I checked it because ken got bitten by that recently, he had an override failing to install because of a missing bd on python-gi
[21:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, gobject-introspection in build-depends as well
[21:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, otherwise looks fine
[21:41] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I got that one
[21:41] <robert_ancell> seb128, dh complains, even though libgirepository-dev depends on it
[21:42] <robert_ancell> it really annoys me how we have both in the build depends
[21:42] <seb128> hum, it's a good point
[21:42] <seb128> I guess dh wants direct depends on stuff it uses
[21:43] <seb128> it's usually good practice to not rely on others to bring what you need...
[21:54] <robru> seb128, robert_ancell : When I added python support to gexiv2 library, I had to add that exact same kind of thing to the Makefile... do you know of any way around that?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> robru, the 'import gi' checks?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> and no, don't know another way
[21:55] <robru> yeah, exactly.
[21:55] <robru> robert_ancell, you said you were annoyed, so I was hoping you'd offer a better way around that. some standard way of querying for the overrides dir without bringing in a build-dep on python.
[21:56] <robru> in fact the yorba guys were really bothered by that, too.
[21:56] <robert_ancell> robru, nah, I suspect it's just the usual no-one's really thought about a clean way of doing it yet
[21:56] <robru> fair enough.