[04:04] <jackson> evening
[09:34] <rmg51> Morning
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:36] <JonathanD> morning
[20:41] <adom> any other irssi users? can you /ignore #ubuntu-us-pa [somenick]?
[20:41] <adom> I trust you're seeing my intentions...
[20:43]  * adom rolls his eyes.
[20:43]  * adom looks around for a bit of large trout...
[20:45] <jedijf> adom: do /help ignore   it should have your answer


[13:49] <lazyPower> mbruzek: when you get settled in this morning can I get a review on https://github.com/chuckbutler/flannel-docker-charm/pull/16
[17:55] <jcastro> rick_h_: hey when you do the new bundle spec
[17:55] <jcastro> will old bundles stop working?
[17:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: no
[17:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: we'll do like we do now and probably go through a transform step
[17:56] <jcastro> ok
[17:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: but atm the new work is around just 'synchronized uncomitted changes in the gui' so we'll work with thumper and his planning work on that
[17:56] <rick_h_> these bundles will be around a long while
[18:32] <jrwren> is there a way to remove a container - which already had the unit which it was running removed - from a machine, other than force remove the machine running the container?
[18:34] <lazyPower> jrwren: when you destroy the service, it should clean up the container as well as part of the machine reap process. if that's not the case - i'd file a bug.
[18:34] <lazyPower> jrwren: oh wait i misread that - this is a problem with precedence, as the machine itself went away and the container is still registered on the environment?
[18:35] <jrwren> lazyPower: no. I expected exactly what you just said. maybe it is bug.
[19:48] <lazyPower> wwitzel3: (migrating here as its juju specific) - There's a lot of the OpenStack networking vendors coming aboard the Juju Openstack ecosystem
[19:48] <lazyPower> see: midonet, plumgrid, etc.
[19:49] <lazyPower> wwitzel3: it may be worthwhile to link akanda to our ISV Onboarding team to do outreach/contact post ODS
[19:50] <wwitzel3> lazyPower: yeah, that's a good idea
[21:47] <thumper> lazyPower, marcoceppi: who knows most about python django charms? looking for celery stuff
[21:47] <rick_h_> thumper: it does celery ootb?
[21:47] <thumper> I noticed that django-python relates to rabbitmq-server through amqp
[21:47] <thumper> rick_h_: but it doesn't set up the celery workers, no?
[21:48] <thumper> rick_h_: I noticed the celery config
[21:48]  * marcoceppi shys away quickly
[21:48] <rick_h_> thumper: oh, I didn't realize django shipped with that
[21:48] <thumper> but I want the time based checker on master
[21:48] <rick_h_> thumper: I'd guess that it might write out to settings.py but can't imagine what else it would do
[21:48] <thumper> rick_h_: it does write out settings
[21:48]  * rick_h_ pokes at the charm hooks
[21:48] <lazyPower> thumper: iirc django needs a maintainer :)
[21:48] <lazyPower> thumper: you seem to be really familiar with the codebase
[21:49] <thumper> but I was wondering if someone else has already set up the worker bits
[21:49]  * lazyPower nominates thumper
[21:49] <thumper> lazyPower: maybe...
[21:49] <thumper> lazyPower: at least I'd learn how to do it properly
[21:49] <rick_h_> thumper: might ping the other end of the company as they use django more I think. SSO is a django app if I recall.
[21:49] <lazyPower> I'm +1 on having a core maintainer owning a single charm
[21:49] <lazyPower> if nothing, it gives you cause/effect to dig your hands in deep in the grits of charming
[21:49] <rick_h_> lazyPower: greedy aren't we? :P
[21:49] <thumper> lazyPower: perhaps while I'm waiting for lxd to implement the needed functionality, I should look more at django-python
[21:50] <thumper> lazyPower: would really like virtual env support
[21:50] <thumper> and python 3
[21:50] <thumper> and django 1.8
[21:50] <thumper> I'm using the current one with django 1.7 and it is fine
[21:50] <rick_h_> thumper: oh interesting it does install the package for you heh
[21:50] <rick_h_>   pip_install('django-celery')
[21:51] <thumper> yeah...
[21:51] <thumper> which I'd have thought would be in the requirements.txt anyway
[21:51] <thumper> or at least, I was going to do that
[21:51] <rick_h_> hmm, do yea it uses django-celery, sets up the config, and the relation bits.
[21:51] <lazyPower> thumper: we have virtualenv support
[21:51] <thumper> lazyPower: not in the python-django charm I'm using
[21:51] <lazyPower> thumper: we're using that in a few charms, where the charm drops in the .venv and does the bits it needs to do
[21:51] <lazyPower> oh that, yeah man, maintainer needed :)
[21:52]  * lazyPower nudges thumper closer to agree'ing to take it on
[21:52] <thumper> lazyPower: let me poke around before you throw it at me fully
[21:52] <lazyPower> too late, already signed you up
[21:52] <lazyPower> incoming MP marking you as the active maintainer
[21:52] <lazyPower> #dealwithit
[21:52] <thumper> lazyPower: what facility does charm helpers give me for writing service scripts?
[21:52] <lazyPower> thumper: meaning upstart/systemd jobs?
[21:52] <thumper> like: a celery worker
[21:53] <lazyPower> thumper: we have jinja and cheetah support....
[21:53] <thumper> lazyPower: ack
[21:53] <thumper> lazyPower: so... write a template file, and put it in the right place...
[21:53] <lazyPower> charmhelpers.contrib.templating iirc
[21:53] <lazyPower> ye
[21:53] <thumper> hmm...
[21:53] <thumper> lazyPower: what's the status of a stand alone nginx charm?
[21:54] <thumper> I currently have that smashed into my payload charm
[21:54] <lazyPower> since python-django is a framework charm, meaning its providing scaffolding, there are some conventions you can follow - like making an implicit templates/contrib/etc. dir in your project that the charm scans and renders.
[21:54] <lazyPower> thumper: there's one that exists... let me find it. its not ~recommended tho
[21:54] <lazyPower> it was in progress then other things surfaced
[21:54] <thumper> lazyPower: it didn't exist july last year when I needed it
[21:54] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1356856
[21:54] <lazyPower> thumper: ^
[21:54] <mup> Bug #1356856: New Charm: NGiNX <Juju Charms Collection:Incomplete by marcoceppi> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356856>
[21:55] <marcoceppi> plz don't use that
[21:56] <thumper> rick_h_: who are the main users of django internally?
[21:56] <thumper> rick_h_: who are using charms?
[21:56] <marcoceppi> psh, who isn't using charms!
[21:56] <thumper> I should poke
[21:56] <thumper> marcoceppi: well... maas uses django
[21:56] <thumper> marcoceppi: but I don't think we have a maas charm
[21:56] <marcoceppi> thumper: we do have a vmaas charm iirc
[21:57] <thumper> marcoceppi: for local?
[21:57]  * marcoceppi searches
[21:57] <marcoceppi> ODS wifi is a bit slow
[21:58] <marcoceppi> thumper: https://jujucharms.com/q/maas
[21:58] <lazyPower> https://jujucharms.com/q/vmaas
[21:58] <lazyPower> ninja'd by marcoceppi
[21:58] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: and mine includes all maas charms <3  ;)
[21:59] <lazyPower> LOL - beat by 1 charm that wasn't even maas related
[21:59] <lazyPower> you win
[22:00]  * thumper wanders into a meeting


[11:50]  * cyberanger has some more kinks to work out
[12:13] <minasota> cyberanger: no email on server either I assume, alpine, mutt?
[12:15] <minasota> nevermind, my mind isn't awake yet
[12:18] <cyberanger> minasota: Haven't yet gotten to postfix+dovecot
[12:18] <cyberanger> and I do tend to use mutt, thunderbird and k9mail


[00:44] <cyberanger> wrst: sorry, shame on me
[00:44] <cyberanger> I forgot to ask your your doing
[00:57] <wrst> ha ha i'm doing great
[00:58] <cyberanger> glad to hear it
[00:58]  * cyberanger ponders how I should file this bug, leaning on i for irratating
[00:59] <cyberanger> wrst: this is kinda a hold up on a few projects, all of which involve customizing a live disc
[00:59] <cyberanger> unfortunately
[01:04] <wrst> cyberanger:  you are over my head :)
[01:05] <wrst> but cyberanger one thing I can say today is that ssh is worth any hassle if any of running linux
[01:08] <cyberanger> ssh is awesome, you should use it more often
[01:09] <cyberanger> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-t irssi
[01:09] <cyberanger> ;-)
[01:10] <wrst> ha ha transfered over 7GB of files via the internet to my house over night
[01:10]  * wrst sees its pizza time
[01:10] <cyberanger> programmer food
[01:10] <cyberanger> just don't have it slid under the door like Mr. Gates did to his programmers
[01:14] <wrst> what did he do?
[01:16] <wrst> oh and cyberanger how did linuxman410 get going?
[01:18] <cyberanger> the old joke of why programmers like pizza is that Bill Gates would lock his programmers up in their office and would slide pizza under their door
[01:18] <cyberanger> and I think he got it going
[01:18] <cyberanger> last I heard metioned IceWN
[01:18] <cyberanger> so I think he's worked it out
[01:23] <wrst> cool certainly sounded like he needed to do a minimal install of some sort
[01:50] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[01:50] <testbot8570> Overcast ☁, 59.0℉ (15℃), 29.76in (1004mb), Light breeze 4kt (↑) - KCHA 23:53Z
[01:52] <cyberanger> .wik wrst
[01:53] <testbot8570> "WRST-FM (90.3 FM) licensed to Oshkosh, Wisconsin, is the student managed radio station located at the University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRST-FM
[01:53] <cyberanger> wrst: suprised it lists CHA over Nashville
[01:53] <cyberanger> or an even closer station
[01:54]  * cyberanger still finds it funny how wrst tried to hide his radio station from us
[01:54] <cyberanger> chris4585: do you happen to know where I could find all bug reports for mksquashfs version 4.2
[01:55] <chris4585> sorry I have no idea
[01:58] <cyberanger> chris4585: it's just worked for you?
[01:59] <wrst> wish i had a radio station cyberanger
[02:00]  * cyberanger finds this intresting, 3 uses in 4 years, and none were really flawless, however the others worked when I told it to use one processer, years ago
[02:00] <cyberanger> wrst: well, there is always shoutcast
[02:01] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah
[02:01] <cyberanger> it's not radio, but it's still awesome
[02:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: how often have you used it, in the past 4 years?
[02:01] <chris4585> many, many, many times
[02:02] <chris4585> it was always using my script though, so I don't know it very well
[02:02] <chris4585> but I've must of done it at least 100 times
[02:03] <cyberanger> you'd know if it failed in this manner, all the times I ran it, it would hang
[02:03] <cyberanger> however telling it to use one processor fixed it before (last 3 times I used it was in high school, 2007-2008)
[02:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: is it the same version since it last worked? no apt-get upgrade on it, if it is, may I have the version (mksquashfs -version)
[02:06] <cyberanger> idk, just kinda hard to narrow down much at this point, I hate filing bug reports that are this light on details
[02:06] <chris4585> have you tried removing the file it appears to be stuck on?
[02:07] <cyberanger> it's about as detailed as describing the appollo missions as three guys sitting on a rocket to the moon currently
[02:07] <chris4585> o.o
[02:07] <cyberanger> chris4585: no, due to the file, it's a bit critical
[02:07] <cyberanger> /var/spool/cron
[02:08] <chris4585> could it be a permissions issue?
[02:08] <cyberanger> I could do it for kicks I suppose, tarball it first, so as to help with the bug
[02:08] <cyberanger> hard to believe that, but a possibility I suppose
[02:08] <cyberanger> sudo should ensure otherwise
[02:09] <cyberanger> (/var/spool is higher permissions than your avg user, and cron is system critical, same story, lemme see what ls -l says)
[02:12] <cyberanger> it's not a file, but a directory
[02:12] <cyberanger> root owned, but with sudo on it, it should either permissions fail or work, not hang
[02:12] <cyberanger> hrm
[02:13] <cyberanger> tarball'd it, removed it from where I'm running squashfs
[02:13] <cyberanger> it's hanging at the same place each time
[02:13] <cyberanger> at least it's consistant
[02:14] <cyberanger> I do like consistancy http://www.despair.com/consistency.html
[02:37] <chris4585> lol yes
[02:38] <cyberanger> it's only a virtue if your not a screwup
[02:46] <cyberanger> and this is consistantly screwing up
[02:46] <cyberanger> hrm
[02:46] <cyberanger> I doubt impaticence is part of it, waited 3 hours for a blank folder
[02:47] <cyberanger> and I've let it run overnight once too
[02:47] <cyberanger> for it to get to 98% in 30 minutes or less, and lock up for over 3 hours
[02:47] <cyberanger> ugh, perhaps it's time to take this to #ubuntu or somewhere
[02:57] <cyberanger> hello orangeninja
[03:06] <Juzzy-> cyberanger: what's the problem?
[03:18] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: mksquashfs seems to want to hang in the same spot consistantly
[03:20] <cyberanger> chris4585: update: seems to have frozen on /var/run this time, which I think is further along than /var/spool's hangup
[03:20] <cyberanger> mksquashfs: file edit/var/run/utmp, uncompressed size 0 bytes
[03:20] <cyberanger> mksquashfs: directory edit/var/run/wicd inode 0xbd217165d
[03:20] <cyberanger> mksquashfs: directory edit/var/run inode 0xbd217167d
[03:20] <Juzzy-> you're needing local rootsquad support?
[03:20] <cyberanger> and that output actually makes me wonder if the hangup is a collision somehow
[03:20] <Juzzy-> squash*
[03:21] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: no, at least not a part of this issue I think (since squashfs has been in debian and ubuntu's kernel for over two years now) just a crucial step in remastering a live cd is mksquashfs
[03:22] <Juzzy-> hm weird
[03:23] <cyberanger> and actually, in another project or two as well
[03:23] <cyberanger> openwrt customization
[03:23] <Juzzy-> phew
[03:23] <Juzzy-> i found my karaoke mp3 collection
[03:23] <cyberanger> got any system of a down in there
[03:24] <Juzzy-> jeezzzzz
[03:24] <Juzzy-> we have a party sceduled for 2 weeks
[03:24] <Juzzy-> and I have 80gb of mp3s i couldnt find
[03:24] <Juzzy-> phew
[03:24] <Juzzy-> i went through a pile of hdds
[03:24] <Juzzy-> moving them to my media center :D
[03:25] <cyberanger> wow, not good
[03:25] <cyberanger> perhaps you should rsync that to a few backup drives too, JIC
[03:26] <Juzzy-> media center = 4 x 2tb raid 5
[03:26] <Juzzy-> /dev/md1              5.4T  2.4T  3.0T  45% /mnt/raid5
[03:26] <Juzzy-> /dev/md0               20G  5.1G   14G  28% /
[03:26] <Juzzy-> that's raid 0 on all 4 drives, heh
[03:27] <Juzzy-> and all of them have active partiions and bootloaders on it
[03:27] <cyberanger> (karaoke for system of a down isn't easy, tried BYOB (bring your own bombs) on Gutar Hero IV and I could barely do it, if I was doing it without the background of the track, no way)
[03:28] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: wow
[03:31] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: so you do have a second rig in case of any failures I hope
[03:38] <Juzzy-> nope
[03:38] <Juzzy-> it's all redudnat
[03:39] <Juzzy-> oh bleh
[03:39] <Juzzy-> i said raid0
[03:39] <Juzzy-> meant raid1
[03:40] <Juzzy-> oh wow
[03:40] <Juzzy-> 108gb left
[03:40] <Juzzy-> so im not sure how big it is, thought it was only 80
[03:40] <Juzzy-> guess its around 110 or so
[03:41] <Juzzy-> I havnt had a party in 2 yrs, so i need to refresh with some newer muziq i guess :/
[03:47] <cyberanger> wouldn't hurt
[03:51] <Juzzy-> sucky thing, I couldn't tell you 1 single post 2008 song :/
[03:52] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: if it's a mainstream one, idk if you'd want to
[03:52] <Juzzy-> yea :p
[03:52] <Juzzy-> oddly most of us are 30 ish
[03:53] <Juzzy-> so michael jackson, most 80s, etc
[03:53] <Juzzy-> me and the wife always do either picture or islands in the stream
[03:54] <cyberanger> I've got stuff more recent than that, wasn't alive in the 80's but I have music from then
[03:55] <cyberanger> but so much stuff is small time still
[03:55] <cyberanger> bar bands and such
[03:57] <cyberanger> taking a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_2008_(U.S.) and the 2009 and 2010 and 2011 pages
[03:57] <cyberanger> only one song comes to mind as one I heard
[03:57] <cyberanger> and I didn't hear it long
[03:57] <cyberanger> "Fireflies" Owl City
[04:00] <cyberanger> I prefer stuff that nobody has heard before, or stuff that isn't around anymore, with an exception here and there
[04:01] <cyberanger> just kinda funny when I think of older people hearing this current junk, wondering why I'm listening to tool
[04:12]  * cyberanger seees it still locking up on stuff in /var
[04:13] <cyberanger> no permissions should be restrictive to /var/ more than /etc/ or /usr/ but perhaps an improper umount when exiting chroot might explain it
[04:13] <cyberanger> which seems likely actually
[04:14] <cyberanger> now that I've taken a look and see services that shouldn't be running clearly are
[04:14] <cyberanger> and from the chroot jail (not an issue in and of itself)
[04:14] <cyberanger> which is why I'm glad I've held off on a bug report
[04:17] <cyberanger> idk what the full cause is, but I think I gotta step up and admit my bug appears to have a 'human error' asisting the issue
[04:17]  * cyberanger wipes egg of face
[04:23] <cyberanger> chris4585: hear that, I think that was my fault
[04:23]  * chris4585 reads
[04:23] <cyberanger> i/o error due to my failure to fully close the chroot jail
[04:23] <chris4585> oh, yes that might have done it..
[04:23] <cyberanger> and unmount everything pertaining to earlier steps
[04:24] <cyberanger> not a permissions error in the usual sense, but mksquashfs isn't a usual task
[04:24] <cyberanger> as is remastering a live cd
[04:25] <cyberanger> (the past was a multithreading issue, when the treads got out of sync, similar concept here, the source changed, got out of sync)
[04:25] <cyberanger> at least that's my current theroy after finding a service from the jail still running
[04:27] <cyberanger> Juzzy-: have any ACDC?
[04:30] <cyberanger> chris4585: chalk this one up as my lack of expirence in remastering
[04:30] <cyberanger> that was the issue
[04:30] <cyberanger> and I/O related error
[04:31] <chris4585> lol
[04:31] <chris4585> yes that will do it
[04:32] <chris4585> you have to always have to make sure everything you mount, you always unmount
[04:32] <cyberanger> wasn't exactly wasted time, gotta get this right in the end
[04:32] <cyberanger> well, it appeared as if I had
[04:33] <cyberanger> however due to the way havp is setup, easy to overlook in that area
[04:33] <cyberanger> but a simple 'netstat --inet -ln' showed it
[04:34] <cyberanger> which I shrugged off last night (as I have havp and squid on all machines I maintain, but with different ACL's, so I can quickly have a backup should a primary fail)
[04:35] <cyberanger> just something to keep an eye out for next time I suppose
[04:35] <cyberanger> havp makes a couple of loop files for scanning and such
[04:36] <cyberanger> so I guess when I ran umount, but had yet to exit chroot, it saw that as a failure, and fixed ti
[04:37] <cyberanger> or else I completely missed it (hard to say after 24 hours exactly, but I didn't see any errors of not mounting anything I mounted myself, which is part of the problem, as some things I added also mounted places)
[04:39] <cyberanger> chris4585: have you done any recent work on a custom live cd
[04:39] <chris4585> cyberanger, no, not recently
[04:39] <cyberanger> I'm thinking this is one howto worth it for the loco
[04:40] <cyberanger> it's not really hard, and as you've proven, scriptable (and as I've proven, easy to do by hand, pending any human errors)
[04:40] <cyberanger> just be nice to have a loco gallery of sorts for this
[04:40] <cyberanger> darn, too big
[04:41] <cyberanger> the iso that is, 738MB
[04:41] <chris4585> yeah
[04:42] <chris4585> you have no idea how many hours I invested in that one script...
[04:42] <cyberanger> which is hard to believe, I purged so much stuff out, I actually removed the linux kernel and nearly removed apt
[04:42] <chris4585> o.O
[04:42] <cyberanger> chris4585: I can imagine however
[04:42] <cyberanger> it's ok, apt-get install linux fixed that
[04:42] <cyberanger> and apt makes it really hard to purge itself
[04:43] <cyberanger> I tried purging a dependancy of apt, I knew I couldn't damage the system purging too much, worst case I rm -Rf workingspace/ and start over
[04:43] <cyberanger> since it was just a chroot jail and not the my root system, kinda hard to wreak things
[04:44] <chris4585> well you still have to be careful when in chroot and you have mounted dirs
[04:46] <cyberanger> yep, otherwise I fry a VM and have to restore a snapshot ;-)
[04:47] <cyberanger> and if that isn't enough, fry a system (the host os) I that only has been live for 72 hours, and I've not gotten to setup firefox yet
[04:47] <cyberanger> lol
[04:48] <chris4585> lol
[04:48] <cyberanger> there is risks, and while I take risks doing things like jumping out of a perfectly good airplane, I do take some percautions, like checking my chute
[04:49] <cyberanger> now I just need a perfectly good airplane ;-)
[04:53] <cyberanger> chris4585: when I'm done, would you like to try it out?
[04:53] <chris4585> a livecd?
[04:53] <cyberanger> (now that you have cable, shouldn't be too hard to get it to you
[04:53] <chris4585> oh god no, I can download ubuntu in 5mins now lol
[04:53] <cyberanger> if not, US Mail)
[04:53] <cyberanger> yeah
[04:54] <cyberanger> my live cd
[04:54] <chris4585> sure
[04:56] <cyberanger> not sure how I'm gonna distrubte it, probally a torrent at first
[04:57] <cyberanger> If it was more similar to ubuntu's disc or crunchbangs (or something) I'd have people rsync the difference
[04:57] <cyberanger> but thing is, I think I've changed so much of it, that would fail as a realistic plan
[04:58] <cyberanger> testing the livedisc now, I wonder how much I can increase compression without any errors
[04:59] <cyberanger> (ideally 40-50 megs worth of further compression, to lower it to 699mb
[04:59] <cyberanger> or less)
[05:01] <chris4585> what size is it now? o.o
[05:02] <cyberanger> atm, 738MB, and it's not it's final size
[05:02] <cyberanger> but it's not too far from it
[05:02] <cyberanger> gotta add a png for a background
[05:02] <cyberanger> and some config files
[05:03] <cyberanger> gonna see if anything is duplicated, if so, remove and symlink to fix that issue
[05:03] <cyberanger> things like default config files
[05:03] <cyberanger> maybe trim down my firefox profile somehow
[05:04] <cyberanger> two virus scanners are on there, a favor for work, putting those tools on there (something useful for me and I'm encouraging them to use linux more, so a win win win)
[05:05] <chris4585> is this with xorg?
[05:05] <chris4585> that seems a bit large
[05:05] <chris4585> ah
[05:05] <cyberanger> perhaps the virus definations could be purged and placed on the fileserver as a script to fetch
[05:05] <cyberanger> yeah, xorg, openbox
[05:05] <cyberanger> I'd do it pure cli
[05:06] <cyberanger> but it wouldn't suceed for too long if I did
[05:06] <cyberanger> to an extent
[05:06] <cyberanger> I think it's clamav and bitdefender, and their frontends
[05:07] <chris4585> hrm, well I can give you some pointers possibly when I look at it
[05:07] <cyberanger> still seems heavier than that, but with wireshark, etherape, ettercap, zenmap
[05:07] <cyberanger> I expect this is heavy in it's own right to an extent
[05:07] <cyberanger> since I replaced gnome and unity bloat with some of my own
[05:08] <cyberanger> this is a pre-alpha atm
[05:08] <cyberanger> easy to do in steps
[05:08] <cyberanger> but ideally I can roll this out tommorow, as work in progress, request comments
[05:08] <cyberanger> to those I know can tolerate the rough edges
[05:09] <chris4585> yeah, thats no biggie, I've had to deal with tweaking things
[05:09] <chris4585> rebuilding an entire iso just to see if the littlest of changes took effect correctly is not fun
[05:10] <cyberanger> well, that's time, and if it helps put this to memory, then not wasted
[05:10] <cyberanger> the nice thing is how quick it is on my rig
[05:11] <cyberanger> as long as I don't delete the source files (don't plan to, I plan to tarball them and have them on usb with the iso, jic)
[05:12] <cyberanger> then it's chroot in, adjust, then chroot out, and from there could be a script
[05:12] <cyberanger> and 15 minuts I think, provided no hangups like yesterday
[05:13] <cyberanger> that's not too bad for something that should help us save 20 minutes on repetive tasks
[05:14] <chris4585> cyberanger, the thing I love about my script is its all menu based and was redesigned into modules, so if I want to make a new specific function its as easy as adding a few other functions inside a function, next to no programming
[05:14] <chris4585> so that makes doing simple things like chrooting and mounting / unmounting as easy as choosing a option and typing exit
[05:14] <chris4585> and hitting enter
[05:14] <chris4585> lol
[05:15] <cyberanger> part of why I did this first is I want to fairly compare it to doing it by hand
[05:15] <cyberanger> (plus I doubt your script works on dd-wrt atm)
[05:15] <cyberanger> I'll be trying it shortly
[05:18] <cyberanger> I'm kinda annoyed with myself in that I meant to have alot more done by now on half these projects
[05:19] <cyberanger> (the other half are too new to be an issue yet)
[05:19] <chris4585> I need to update my script actually I've just been hesitant to do it...
[05:20] <chris4585> for a while not I seem to get this dpkg error which is annoying and doesn't always happen
[05:20] <chris4585> its been hard to pin point why its happening
[05:22] <cyberanger> what is being installed at that moment?
[05:23] <cyberanger> I found a few errors due to the same service running outside the chroot jail
[05:23] <chris4585> many things usually I get it with some console-setup
[05:23] <cyberanger> for example opensshd
[05:23] <cyberanger> it failed to install due to port 22 already being taken
[05:24] <cyberanger> actually, it may have been another service, but the jist is I shut down a ton of services on the host, then retried the install in the chroot jail, all ended well
[05:31] <Juzzy-> hehe
[05:32] <Juzzy-> back in 2002 or so
[05:33] <Juzzy-> I built some dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/jails
[05:33] <Juzzy-> formatted them, mounted them
[05:33] <Juzzy-> and installed openssh in the chrooted enviros
[05:33] <Juzzy-> was pretty neat
[05:33] <Juzzy-> then i found out bsd had way better jails and bound to ips ;/
[05:34] <cyberanger> that works
[05:36] <cyberanger> I prefer to put the attackers in jail myself
[05:36] <cyberanger> unfortunately things aren't that simple
[05:37] <cyberanger> chris4585: perhaps plymouth wiil be something I ether theme next or just purge
[05:37]  * cyberanger is leaning on purging it, just seems useless to me
[05:37] <chris4585> cyberanger, is that even possible? I thought plymouth was needed to boot now
[05:38] <cyberanger> good question, and the answer is more how much work you want do put into it
[05:38] <cyberanger> debian doesn't use it
[05:38] <cyberanger> and ubuntu did follow debian's boot setup for awhile
[05:39] <cyberanger> so in theroy, you can reverse the process, or more realistic, use debian live instead
[05:39] <cyberanger> if reversing the plymouth process isn't worht the work
[05:40] <chris4585> have fun with that
[05:40] <cyberanger> debian makes that easy enough
[05:41] <cyberanger> I think it's doable
[05:41] <cyberanger> I'm not sure how simple though
[05:43] <cyberanger> hrm, utoh
[05:44] <cyberanger> never mind, premature reaction
[05:46] <cyberanger> seems I did or didn't do something that's causing a glitch in the bootup
[05:47] <cyberanger> my guess is the gdm autologin and the app it starts with, asks to try it or install it
[05:47] <cyberanger> in the natty cd
[05:47] <cyberanger> it does boot to slim though, so all is well
[05:47]  * cyberanger is further wondering if maybe this was something better for squeeze
[05:50] <cyberanger> seems my ram is just too low on this rig for qemu to really run
[05:50] <cyberanger> which isn't a suprise
[05:51] <cyberanger> probally should have ran it on the laptop, triple the ram and a nearly equal processor
[05:52] <cyberanger> yeah, all seems well, just sluggish
[05:53] <cyberanger> everything I'm coming across so far is stuff I knowingly left out
[05:53] <cyberanger> so far
[05:58] <cyberanger> chris4585: drat, one thing I forgot, I cannot tweak terminator from the live disc, and have it save
[05:59] <cyberanger> does the live disc create the $HOME area on each bootup, or is there an area I can seed that
[05:59] <cyberanger> I should have thought about that, esp. since nitrogen uses releatve paths, no root config for a default setup
[06:00] <chris4585> if it uses the same mechanisms that I know of, it creates home on bootup, by copying files in /etc/skel
[06:01] <chris4585> so basically just put files in /etc/skel you want to be in /home/liveuser/
[06:02] <cyberanger> so I'll have to populate enough of a home for two apps to work
[06:02] <chris4585> what I always did was get the basic programs on the livecd, boot up make changes, copy the changes from the livecd onto the source somehow
[06:02] <cyberanger> I expected that, but didn't really think about that
[06:02] <cyberanger> sftp or rsync out of vbox or qemu
[06:02] <chris4585> the config files from firefox for example
[06:02] <cyberanger> or something like that
[06:03] <cyberanger> firefox's config files I just did by hand
[06:03] <cyberanger> firefox -P
[06:03] <chris4585> lol
[06:03] <cyberanger> and then copied the new profile, and copied the profiles.ini, and went from there
[06:04] <cyberanger> I'm used to firefox hacking I just sorta knew what it would expect
[06:21] <cyberanger> Heh, just pulled out one of my backup drives, I thought I purged all my mirror backups
[06:21] <cyberanger> it's got hardy and lucid, but needs 4 months of updates by now I believe
[06:39] <cyberanger> chris4585: didn't expect a more restricted $PATH
[06:40] <cyberanger> guess that's one more thing to adjust
[06:50] <cyberanger> time for a break
[11:36] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[11:36] <testbot8570> Overcast ☁, 55.4℉ (13℃), 29.71in (1003mb), Light air 3kt (↑) - KCHA 10:19Z
[13:04] <wrst> good morning everyone
[14:14] <cyberanger> .weather 37311
[14:14] <cyberanger> morning wrst
[14:17] <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger
[14:17]  * wrst kicks testbot8570
[14:17] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[14:19] <wrst> well cyberanger i think it has died?
[14:33] <cyberanger> wrst: in that case, I'm doing better than your bot
[14:34] <cyberanger> no sense leaving a courpse here to rot
[14:34] <wrst> yeah i don't know what happened there
[14:35] <cyberanger> (joke aside, if you were only kidding, we can invite it back, but it looked like you wanted it kicked)
[14:35] <cyberanger> perhaps I should have let the bot's master do the kicking, hrm?
[14:38] <cyberanger> wrst: sent it a msg to join, and gave it another command for weather
[14:38] <cyberanger> perhaps it locked up, what's top say
[14:44] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[14:44] <testbot8570> Overcast ☁, 55.4℉ (13℃), 29.75in (1004mb), Light Drizzle, Light air 3kt (↑) - KCHA, 12:53Z
[14:44] <wrst> woot
[14:45] <cyberanger> if you'd like to kick your bot wrst
[14:45] <cyberanger> I stole the honor last time
[14:45] <wrst> hey but he works :)
[14:46] <cyberanger> .weather 37311
[14:46]  * cyberanger facepalms
[14:47] <cyberanger> wrst: well, it ignored the join command
[14:47] <wrst> i had already joined it :)
[14:47] <cyberanger> look again
[14:47] <cyberanger> since you kicked it
[14:47] <wrst> ohh
[14:47] <wrst> oh well its better off that way :)
[14:48] <wrst> ha ha :)
[14:48] <cyberanger> did you do that, or was it slow
[14:48] <wrst> .weather 37311
[14:48] <testbot8570> Overcast ☁, 55.4℉ (13℃), 29.75in (1004mb), Light Drizzle, Light air 3kt (↑) - KCHA, 12:53Z
[14:48] <wrst> a little slow today :)
[14:48] <cyberanger> no kidding, that weather report is an hour old
[14:49] <cyberanger> it's now 1348Z
[14:50] <cyberanger> (that time cannot be changed, if it's source is METAR data, they use GMT (Zulu) time exclusively, however idk why the bot couldn't adjust it)
[14:50] <cyberanger> (however for IRC, idk if you'd want to)
[14:50] <cyberanger> wrst: ^^^^ Reguarding your earlier question on the bot's time
[14:51] <cyberanger> does that explain that (idk why I didn't pickup on that being METAR data then)
[14:53]  * wrst thinks he has a long way to go to have a decent bot :)
[14:55]  * cyberanger was gonna post a link, but on second thought.....
[14:55] <cyberanger> .wik METAR
[14:55] <testbot8570> "METAR is a format for reporting weather information." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR
[14:55] <cyberanger> too vauge, but at least it posted the link
[14:56] <cyberanger> testbot8570: tell wrst I gotta head out to work, bbl
[14:56] <testbot8570> cyberanger: I'll pass that on when wrst is around.
[14:56] <cyberanger> ;-)
[14:56] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[14:56] <testbot8570> wrst: 13:56Z <cyberanger> tell wrst I gotta head out to work, bbl
[14:56] <wrst> testbot8570: tell wrst something
[14:56] <testbot8570> You can tell yourself that.
[14:56] <wrst> ha ha
[14:56] <wrst> later cyberanger
[14:56] <cyberanger> I *should* be on shortly
[15:11] <cyberanger> scratch that, I should be leaving shortly, ugh
[15:12] <cyberanger> .make measandwhich
[15:12] <cyberanger> .sudo make measandwhich
[15:13] <cyberanger> man, that bot needs to have a sense of humour coded to it
[15:13] <cyberanger> testbot8570: tell wrst testbot8570 needs to have a sense of humour coded to it
[15:13] <testbot8570> cyberanger: I'll pass that on when wrst is around.
[15:15] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[15:15] <testbot8570> wrst: 14:13Z <cyberanger> tell wrst testbot8570 needs to have a sense of humour coded to it
[15:15] <wrst> maybe it should be called dry bot
[15:28] <Xpistos> well its official, my wife is going back to XP
[15:28] <Xpistos> 18 month fight lost because of the stupid teachers union and coupon printing
[15:32] <cyberanger> it's offical, I'm not giving up yet
[15:33] <cyberanger> chris4585: good news, whatever I need to trim, it's clearly in one file
[15:33] <cyberanger> 693M livecdtmp/extract-cd/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[15:34] <cyberanger> so it's easily doable
[15:34] <cyberanger> (perhaps I need to thin firefox to do that, or see how much these virus scanners are taking up)
[16:17] <kd4zay> moring all
[16:19] <wrst> kd4zay morning
[16:21] <kd4zay> nothing beats an eventful munday morning  8)
[16:58] <orias> heh
[19:43] <wrst> .weather cookeville tn
[19:43] <testbot8570> Cloudy, 62.6℉ (17℃), 29.76in (1004mb), Gentle breeze 10kt (↑) - KCHA 17:53Z
[22:21] <orias> .weather galactic city coruscant
[22:21] <testbot8570> No ICAO code found, sorry
[22:28] <wrst> .weather mars
[22:28] <testbot8570> Overcast ☁, 42.8℉ (6℃), 29.97in (1012mb), Light Rain, Mist, Gentle breeze 10kt (↑) - CYMX, 21:00Z
[22:28] <wrst> i never knew mars was so chili this time of year
[22:39] <linuxman410> wrst you here
[22:41] <linuxman410> chris4585 you here
[22:41] <linuxman410> Xpistos you here
[23:07] <wrst> testbot8570: tell linuxman410 to give us just an extra minute or two next time :)
[23:07] <testbot8570> wrst: I'll pass that on when linuxman410 is around.
[23:16] <linuxman410> wrst u hee
[23:16] <testbot8570> linuxman410: 22:07Z <wrst> tell linuxman410 to give us just an extra minute or two next time :)
[23:16] <chris4585> lol
[23:17] <chris4585> linuxman410, you do usually leave kind of fast
[23:17] <chris4585> sup
[23:17] <linuxman410> chris4585 can i ask you a question
[23:17] <chris4585> linuxman410, I don't see why not
[23:18] <linuxman410> chris4585 att send me a email saying i had malware or virus on my computer which is in possible
[23:18] <chris4585> lol
[23:18] <wrst> ha ha linuxman410
[23:19] <linuxman410> chris4585 said it was a warning
[23:19] <wrst> linuxman410: did you tell them they are smoking pot :)
[23:19] <chris4585> I wouldn't worry about it
[23:19] <linuxman410> here is what they said
[23:19] <linuxman410> IMPORTANT COMPUTER SAFETY NOTICE from AT&T Internet Services Security Center -„IRC Traffic Detected‰
[23:19] <linuxman410> We have evidence which indicates that a computer accessing the Internet via your Internet connection may be infected with malicious software such as a virus or worm.
[23:19] <linuxman410> Our investigation shows that the following IP was assigned to your log-on session at the indicated time and was using IRC connections to a computer network which is possibly a Botnet.
[23:19] <linuxman410> IMPORTANT COMPUTER SAFETY NOTICE from AT&T Internet Services Security Center -„IRC Traffic Detected‰
[23:20] <linuxman410> We have evidence which indicates that a computer accessing the Internet via your Internet connection may be infected with malicious software such as a virus or worm.
[23:20] <linuxman410> Our investigation shows that the following IP was assigned to your log-on session at the indicated time and was using IRC connections to a computer network which is possibly a Botnet.
[23:20] <linuxman410> that is crazy
[23:21] <linuxman410> wrst did you read that stupidness
[23:21] <wrst> yes linuxman410 that is nuts
[23:22] <linuxman410> wrst i called them and told them it was impossible on the dates in question i left irc running and was not talking maybe that is what it was
[23:23] <linuxman410> wrst i know nothing about botnets
[23:24] <wrst> me either linuxman410
[23:24] <wrst> testbot8570: are you to blame?
[23:24] <linuxman410> i had to look up the word to see what it was
[23:24] <wrst> hmm he's all silent
[23:24] <wrst> testbot8570: hello
[23:24] <wrst> linuxman410: i think we found our man
[23:24] <wrst> linuxman410: gotta go let me know how that works out
[23:25] <linuxman410> ok
[23:26] <linuxman410> i am going to go in case i leave it on too long and get banned from my internet
[23:26] <chris4585> lol...
[23:43] <orias> :)


[12:21] <vish> gah!!! "fileless" paradigm
[12:26] <darkmatter> vish: quit abusing the term paradigm or I'll be forced to slap you:P
[12:27] <vish> darkmatter: not me ;)  … it's being abused on Ayatana mailing list.. but i do hope you get to slap someone ;p
[12:27] <darkmatter> hehe
[12:31] <thorwil> vish: i for one can't wait to have all my stuff trapped in application specific databases and i'm not at all concerned about having to deal with both the filesystem and stuff on top of it. incremental backups are also no topic at all
[12:33] <vish> i'm not sure what they expect to result from that thread.. o.0
[12:36] <thorwil> vish: not everyone is that goal oriented. some enjoy traveling on a road to nowhere
[12:38] <darkmatter> goals are overrated, more duct tape!
[12:39] <vish> thorwil: well, travelling aimless is good, but is it necessary to force everyone to watch it/listen to it? ;)
[12:41] <thorwil> vish: forget about the ayatana list, or delete all mail without reading, except from a selected few senders or new ones
[12:42] <thorwil> vish: as you know what happens if you express being displeased about the running around in circles and argument for the sake of it
[12:43] <vish> yea, thats what i'v been doing.. i read if there was a response from someone specific..
[12:44] <vish> thorwil: i did try to break that thread in the early stages though! when it was something "File menu" , but fredrik revived it in it's new avatar as the fileless paradigm! ;p
[13:03] <doctormo> vish: Perhaps we need to get the adults together to talk about it some more
[13:03] <doctormo> It's a very interesting topic, but the ayatana mailing list thread is dumb.
[13:04] <vish> yea, the topic is interesting but i dont think it would be solved by discussing there. :s  hence i find their energy being misplaced/wasted..
[13:05] <doctormo> vish: What do you want to see?
[13:07] <vish> well, for starters some more solid discussions (though i deleted a lot from that thread) ;p
[13:10] <doctormo> vish: I meant what do you want?
[13:11] <vish> doctormo: oh no! not going into that topic.. ;)  i think we can stick with pushing the art-owl usage for UFS ;)
[13:11] <vish>  that would be much more productive and more in the present.. ;)
[13:11] <doctormo> :-)
[19:32] <thorwil> doctormo, vish: so we got mail
[19:33] <doctormo> thorwil: Yes I just read it
[19:33] <doctormo> Facinating
[19:33]  * vish checks mail..
[19:33] <thorwil> doctormo: almost manages to make me feel bad
[19:34] <doctormo> thorwil: It's a very good poolitical email
[19:35] <doctormo> thorwil: Don't feel bad, the email is designed to make you feel bad. I'm heading out right now but when I come back I will decypher it with you.
[19:36] <thorwil> doctormo: don't worry, that why i said "almost"
[20:17] <vish> sheesh!
[20:17] <vish> what a waste of time! :/
[20:17] <troy_s> vish: ?
[20:18] <vish> troy_s: john baer.. :/
[20:18] <troy_s> Oh gosh the drama.
[20:18] <vish> troy_s: thorwil sent him a mail asking him to explain his actions and very conveniently he side-stepped all those issue and copy-pasted COC !!
[20:19] <vish> meh..
[20:19] <troy_s> So what. Ignore him.
[20:19] <vish> yea..
[20:20] <troy_s> http://uxmag.com/strategy/the-importance-of-designing-an-experience-culture
[20:20] <vish> thorwil: you know we can remove him from the list, right?  only he needs to contact the council if he wants back in ;p
[20:20] <troy_s> vish: Bah. Bully with brilliance. Not bs.
[20:20] <thorwil> troy_s: ignoring him is a 'solution' only for an inner circle. all in all he would still be poison for the team (or any attempt at having/being one)
[20:21] <vish> troy_s: if he was worth even a fraction of the energy we spend on him, then there is a point in trying to outsmart him, or talk some sense into him..
[20:21] <troy_s> thorwil: Personal opinion, but I have always seen leadership as something that is earned. Having a challenge for leadership isn't a bad thing really. If it turns dark, the intelligent can decipher it.
[20:22] <troy_s> vish: I'd be more worried with the whole 'why bother'. Are there valuable people on that mailing list? I'd like to think there are...
[20:22] <vish> troy_s: nah, we have explained and any questions we asks he rarely has a reply
[20:23] <vish> ask*
[20:23] <troy_s> vish: Have faith for those with ability. If there is a serious worry about someone spooling off talent, then it should be at the merits of that talent.
[20:23] <troy_s> vish: Don't sweat it.
[20:23] <vish> ;)
[20:23] <troy_s> (Great article by the way)
[20:24] <troy_s> (Should read it)
[20:25] <vish> if someone posted such articles to the list would be nice too ;) <hint>
[20:25] <thorwil> vish: if you get 2 receipts from me, it's because evolution crashed when it was supposed to send the first one
[20:25] <vish> cool..
[20:25] <troy_s> thorwil: What is this Evolution?
[20:25] <vish> lol!
[20:26] <vish> troy_s: seriouslY ?
[20:26] <troy_s> vish: AlwayS.
[20:26] <thorwil> troy_s: evolution is a terrible mail client that i would get rid of, if it wasn't for my archive of mail and address book
[20:26] <troy_s> vish: I get the feeling it is a useless bag of behind-the-times client for email, but it has been such a long time since I cared.
[20:26] <troy_s> ;)
[20:26] <vish> ;)
[20:27] <troy_s> vish: Secret: IMAP. Gmail.
[20:27] <thorwil> really, it's a shame that it is the default for ubuntu
[20:27] <vish> thorwil: probably by the next LTS it would be gone
[20:27] <vish> TB
[20:27] <troy_s> thorwil: Not really. It is a perfect flag bearer. Warding off all.
[20:28] <thorwil> you could as well have dog poo as recommendation  in a bakery
[20:29] <troy_s> vish: To be brutally honest, I used to concern myself with email clients. Then I gave Chrome a try and well... as much as I was skeptical, I can see it replacing many, many, many pieces of software.
[20:29] <vish> boo, chrome is over-rated
[20:29] <vish> FF4 is good, much better than Chrome can ever be..
[20:29] <troy_s> vish: And in the bigger picture in terms of cross platform ability to migrate (short of the lovely barriers all around us regarding content - perhaps the biggest threat to Libre), it is nothing short of a huge win.
[20:29] <troy_s> vish: You clearly don't use Chrome. lol.
[20:30] <troy_s> vish: The simple boot up time alone is shockingly desireable.
[20:30] <troy_s> desirable even.
[20:30] <vish> troy_s: yea, i used it, but my FF is totally pimped out and there is no easy way for me to replace it ;)
[20:31] <vish> troy_s: try FF with Bartab plugin, it beats Chrome any day
[20:31] <vish> FF loads in a flash..
[20:31] <troy_s> vish: Sure. And by the time it loads I've already finished what I needed to do.
[20:31] <troy_s> rubbish.
[20:32] <troy_s> vish: At any rate, how about something interesting in art / design land?
[20:32] <troy_s> anything?
[20:32] <vish> troy_s: is there a remote possibility of a culture growing so soon? unless we try the petri dish ;)
[20:32] <troy_s> CUT TO: Crickets chirping and a tumbleweed rolling by.
[20:33] <troy_s> vish: I think so. I suppose it depends on visions of that culture. I tend to like people from different regions that happen to also speak my native tongue as they can read articles and such in other languages far faster and translate far superior than I.
[20:33] <thorwil> troy_s: wonder what you think of http://www.flickr.com/photos/vladstudio/5260045459/in/pool-uawt-6
[20:34] <troy_s> vish: Part of the myopia and fundamentalist / absolutist thinking around these parts is precisely because the alternate cultures don't have the agency to participate and voice the alternate viewpoints.
[20:34] <troy_s> vish: Sure.
[20:35] <vish> i guess that 'sure' was for thorwil ^ :)
[20:35] <thorwil> vish: but you can have it ;)
[20:36] <troy_s> vish: Nope. For the wallpaper. I don't really have much to say. It's a very well stylized and executed anteater.
[20:36] <vish> ^for thorwil gain ;)
[20:36] <vish> +a
[20:37] <troy_s> vish: Plus A.
[20:37] <troy_s> ?
[20:37] <vish> nah, i meant to say 'again'..
[20:37] <thorwil> troy_s: to turn gain into again
[20:37] <thorwil> quite a loss, actually
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: Yes. I'm completely lost.
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: Sorry?
[20:37] <thorwil> wtf
[20:37] <vish> oh i should sleep i guess , i'm getting more typos than usual ;p
[20:38] <vish> troy_s: thorwil was the one who asked about the wallpapers ;p
[20:38] <troy_s> vish: Oh balls.
[20:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Sorry thor... color code was the same.
[20:39] <thorwil> yeah, highlighting should leave out the nick
[20:39] <troy_s> thorwil: Odd... now you are different again.
[20:39] <troy_s> How strange.
[20:40] <troy_s> thorwil: I suppose I don't really know what to 'think'. Just end up disassembling things for no apparent reason. Or not. It just 'is', as it were.
[20:40]  * vish forwards troy_s' link to the list.. ;)
[20:49]  * thorwil found origami and common lisp much more interesting than ubuntu-artwork, today
[20:54] <thorwil> vish: wise canadian, eh? :)
[20:55] <vish> thorwil: well, let's just keep fattening the turkey ;)
[20:56] <thorwil> =8-)
[20:57] <vish> finally got a new expression out of you! ;p
[20:59] <troy_s> Wait. I hate you both.
[20:59] <troy_s> vish: GAH.
[21:01] <thorwil> http://design.canonical.com/2010/12/design-museum-exhibition-london/
[21:01] <vish> troy_s: well, the mailing list is booooooooooooooring! atleast something new happened there , thanks to you ;)
[21:02] <troy_s> thorwil: That's fantastic.
[21:02] <vish> lol!  the first reply!
[21:02] <vish> where did the M really go?
[21:03] <thorwil> it's a - wait for it - Mystery!
[21:03] <vish> the comment rather..
[21:03] <troy_s> vish: Maybe out with the Mentally Miniscule.
[21:03] <troy_s> That is fantastic. Now if only the home team can get into the London Design Museum.
[21:05] <troy_s> ???
[21:05] <troy_s> Charline is the uX lead now?
[21:05] <troy_s> Eikes.
[21:06] <thorwil> i don't actually no if that is new
[21:06] <thorwil> know, even
[21:06] <troy_s> thorwil: I thought she was research only.
[21:07] <troy_s> thorwil: Seems like an odd choice. And don't get me wrong, I'd be the first to tout the merits of anthropology in design and such. But it just seems... odd.
[21:12] <thorwil> good night! :)
[21:17] <troy_s> vish: You got any new work partner?


 Does anybody know what is the state of the Kubuntu Backports PPA for KDE Plasma 5.27 for Kubuntu 22.04?
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
 I wonder when it will make it into Backports?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:31] <skramer> I wonder if it would it be advisable to install 22.04 on an old Core2Duo 1.4 GHz + 2.9 GB of RAM?
[12:32] <skramer> Last system installed was 14.04 though...
[12:37] <BluesKaj> the recommended minimum RAM is 4GB for 22.04, although 'buntu would work on your setup with one of the lighter DEs
[12:41] <skramer> Thanks, BluesKaj. Will have a look into those alternatives then
[12:43] <BluesKaj> skramer, it can work with your setup, but it would be kinda slow and become frustrating after awhile
[12:43] <BluesKaj> 22.04 that is
[12:44] <mparillo> No matter which distro you use, the moment you have a few browser tabs open, your browser probably consumes more resources than everything else combined.
[18:32] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to set the win key as compose in 22.04? My old install got nuked somehow, and I remember this being impossibly difficult, but I can't recall what I'd done that actually worked :/
[23:50] <Rajput> when i download kubuntu iso url chinese from china mirror , in kubntu firefox i can on every tab chinese social media , messaging apps ,news, directory sites already bookmarked, when i open different sites it redirect to chinese version


[05:19] <freq> pinephone on the way
[05:20] <freq> cowsay ...
[05:20] <freq> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[05:20] <freq> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[05:20] <freq> what's with that lol
[05:21] <freq> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[05:21] <freq> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[05:21] <freq>  ______________
[05:21] <freq> < hi im a bird >
[05:21] <freq>  --------------
[05:21] <freq>         \   ^__^
[05:21] <freq>          \  (oo)\_______
[05:21] <freq>             (__)\       )\/\
[05:21] <freq>                 ||----w |
[05:21] <freq>                 ||     ||
[05:21] <freq> put it in quotes, i know.
[10:08] <kirvesAxe> If someone were to port Ubuntu Touch on a phone that has a physical keyboard, how much adjustment would it take to get the UI be more keyboard-oriented?
[10:10] <kirvesAxe> (I mean, every single mobile OS I've tried so far with keyboarded hardware has been built with the idea that the touch screen is still the main UI and the keyboard is "just a writing accessory", and I would like it more in the style of keyboard as the main UI and scrnee "just a pointing accessory" :))
[10:53] <Fuseteam> ut has is build in such a way all 3 are first class citizien's i guess
[10:54] <Fuseteam> that's the idea behind "convergence"
[11:25] <kirvesAxe> I have been wondering if Gemini, Cosmo Communicator or the upcoming Astro Slide (all by Planet Computers) would work with it... I have a Gemini that runs both Sailfish and Debian, I assume porting UT for it would be possible?
[11:59] <Fuseteam> i suppose it is
[12:00] <Fuseteam> iirc notkit was working on one of those, forgot which one
[23:38] <CommunistWolf> woo, my pinephone is approaching functionality
[23:41] <freq> which one
[23:41] <CommunistWolf> braveheart
[23:41] <CommunistWolf> did an apt upgrade on it today and the modem started working reliably
[23:42] <freq> ok the new one is coming next month for me
[23:44] <CommunistWolf> I got this one march.... after it was posted in jan ^^


[08:57] <wiileewaller> hello
[08:58] <wiileewaller> few times i did accept update from the windows pop up
[08:58] <wiileewaller> and it could completely break my lubuntu
[08:59] <wiileewaller> someone explained me that it because those update are actually suggested by Ubuntu and not LUBUNTU
[08:59] <wiileewaller> so my question is, do you accept update
[09:00] <wiileewaller> and how do you sort what to update
[09:01] <wiileewaller> last time i didnt read and i upgraded to 21.04 hirsute, and it completely broke my filesystem cause i upgraded from a wrong version but the windows still manage to appear
 I disable the update notifier, because I manually update the system daily.
[09:02] <wiileewaller> how do you do manually update the system?
 I am not aware of any problems. And I don't think that it does a release upgrade.
 In the terminal with apt
[09:03] <wiileewaller> sudo apt-update?
 No: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autopurge
[09:08] <wiileewaller> so if a new version of lubuntu is released does it do the upgrade too?
 No, it remains on the same release. For a release upgrade you should use: sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:10] <wiileewaller> ok
[09:10] <wiileewaller> so your command is supposed to be 1000% safe
 If your system is set up correctly you are 99% save.
[09:12] <wiileewaller> ok ! thank
[09:12] <wiileewaller> thanks
[09:13] <wiileewaller> do you know a command to disable update notifier
 I think it is in lxqt-config-session or similar
[09:14] <wiileewaller> ok
[09:14] <wiileewaller> thank
[09:14] <wiileewaller> s
 Look for upgNotifier
[21:13] <wiileewaller> if i move file in a samba server between 2 different disk inside the server remotely (from another pc of the network)
[21:13] <wiileewaller> does those file transit in my pc
[21:13] <wiileewaller> or did they move directly from sda/x to sda/y
[21:14] <wiileewaller> dont know if my explanation is clear


[16:39] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:39] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 23 16:39:44 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:39] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:39] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:39] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:39] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:40] <jdstrand> hello
[16:40] <jdstrand> I'm focused on snappy this week
[16:40] <jdstrand> specifically, I'm working on more sdoc policy updates, policy recompiles for apparmor upgrades on snappy and sprint outcomes
[16:41] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I have a question on seccomp arg filtering. do you plan to review that this week? if not, I need to do an SRU for the ecryptfs denial in the launcher and will work on that. if so, I'll bundle together and work on that
[16:42] <jdstrand> in addition, I need to followup on the click-apparmor SRU
[16:43] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I do plan to review it this week
[16:43] <jdstrand> ok, thanks
[16:43] <jdstrand> then I'll also be doing the second part of that :)
[16:44] <jdstrand> mdes laur is out, so, sbeattie, you're up
[16:44] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:45] <sbeattie> I'm working on getting the glibc updates out this week
[16:45] <sbeattie> I need to get back at looking at some of the build failures in yakkety caused by enabling pie
[16:46] <sbeattie> I'll probably try to pick up another update in the background this week, since our backlog is long
[16:47] <sbeattie> I also need to see where we're at with upstream apparmor on some things, whether we can release 2.11 and pull that into yakkety.
[16:47] <sbeattie> That's probably it for me. tyhicks?
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'm doing CVE triage this week
[16:47] <tyhicks> otherwise, I'm mostly focused on snappy
[16:48] <tyhicks> I'm fixing and SRUing bug #1584069 in support of bug #1583259
[16:48] <tyhicks> then I'll do some ubuntu-core-launcher MP reviews (including seccomp arg filtering)
[16:49] <tyhicks> and then I'll be making the ubuntu-core-launcher changes for bug #1582781
[16:49] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:49] <tyhicks> I don't see jj so you're up, sarnold
[16:49]  * jjohansen is here
[16:49] <tyhicks> ah
[16:49] <tyhicks> jjohansen: go ahead
[16:50] <jjohansen> I am working on apparmor this week
[16:51] <jjohansen> I have a user who has volunteered to run a test kernel for bug  1581990 which I think is the same as 1579135
[16:51] <jjohansen> so hopefully I can make some progress on it
[16:51] <jdstrand> tyhicks: note that zyga is updating the launcher for 'snap-run' and the project is moving and possibly renamed
[16:51]  * jdstrand gets link
[16:52] <jjohansen> bug 1579135
[16:53] <jdstrand> tyhicks: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-run/pull/1/files
[16:53] <jjohansen> I found a couple more bugs while auditing the code looking a fix for that and I need to clean those up a bit
[16:54] <jjohansen> I need to finish reviewing the gsettings stuff and discuss that this week
[16:54] <tyhicks> jdstrand: thanks
[16:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I'm discussing how thi simpacts us in #snappy
[16:55] <jjohansen> I expect to be reviewing some patches from tyhicks, and I'll be working on fixing up more stacking issues
[16:56] <tyhicks> jjohansen: can you start putting together a list of bug links for stacking issues that need to be fixed by 16.04.1 so that we can allow unpriv policy loads?
[16:56] <jjohansen> tyhicks: sure
[16:56] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:57] <jjohansen> thats it for me sarnold
[16:57] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week; I'm working on getting the imagemagick updates out the door; I may also do some smallsih apparmor work for distraction, some wiki editing or patch reviews
[16:57] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> No updates planned for me this week, although I'll probably be spending some time preparing the next oxide release (1.15)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> I also need to figure out what we're going to do with 32-bit builds, given that launchpad has no support for cross-compiling packages (confirmed by infinity last week)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I'll be working through bugs as usual
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[17:01] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: is the GN transition done?
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, no, as usual things seem to have slipped a bit upstream, taking the pressure off. So I used that to get some other stuff done last week
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> (I'm still working on it)
[17:02] <tyhicks> ok, thanks
[17:02] <tyhicks> glad you got some breathing room there
[17:03] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:03] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:03] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/virtualbox.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/aria2.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-sabredav.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libiptables-parse-perl.html
[17:03] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:03] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:05] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[17:05] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 23 17:05:38 2016 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-23-16.39.moin.txt
[17:05] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[17:05] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks! :)
[17:06] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:09] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks :)
[19:00] <bdmurray> sil2100: I think infinity and cyphermox are out today...
[19:01] <sil2100> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> o/
[19:01] <sil2100> hm, let's see if we'll have a quorum
[19:02] <rbasak> If the only application is GunnarHj's PPU extension, I'm not sure if we even need a quorum.
[19:02]  * rbasak checks
[19:03] <sil2100> Oh, we don't? I though any vote-related decision would require a quorum - but I'm new to all this
[19:04] <rbasak> I can't find a reference, still looking.
[19:05] <rbasak> I thought that some items needed a +1 only from one DMB member, such as expanding an existing packageset. Not sure about PPU.
[19:06] <rbasak> Well, I can't find a reference to say that we don't, so let's assume that we need quorum.
[19:06] <rbasak> Is anyone else here?
[19:06] <bdmurray> I am
[19:07] <sil2100> Ok, so still 3 people
[19:07] <rbasak> GunnarHj: are you here?
[19:07] <GunnarHj> Yes.
[19:07] <rbasak> OK, let's see if we can find enough DMB people.
[19:07] <sil2100> What was that command to ping all DMB members?
[19:07] <sil2100> Ah, you did that just now
[19:07] <sil2100> :)
[19:08] <rbasak> We could continue and if unanimous then ask for one more vote by email.
[19:09] <sil2100> Ok, let me start the meeting then
[19:09] <sil2100> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[19:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 23 19:09:24 2016 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:09] <micahg> o/ I"m kinda here, but otp
[19:09] <BenC> o/
[19:09] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:09] <sil2100> o/
[19:09] <BenC> Appologies for the tardiness
[19:09] <sil2100> We have a quorum then
[19:10] <sil2100> Ok, so action items:
[19:10] <sil2100> cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions
[19:10] <sil2100> Not sure if that happened ^ ?
[19:10] <sil2100> cyphermox is not around but anyone else knows maybe?
[19:10] <rbasak> I could try asking Launchpad but no point holding the meeting up for that.
[19:11] <sil2100> Ok, let's continue then, we can follow up on that later indeed
[19:11] <sil2100> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[19:11] <sil2100> #subtopic GunnarHj
[19:12] <bdmurray> I thought there was a question about whether or not he needed new endorsements.
[19:12] <sil2100> So the topic in mention is GunnarHj's request to extend his PPU rights to more packages
[19:12] <sil2100> Without a new batch of endorsements
[19:13] <GunnarHj> As regards endorsements, dholbach entered one on my old applications.
[19:13] <sil2100> bdmurray: you think we should have a separate vote for that, or just treat it as part of the vote for PPU extension?
[19:13] <GunnarHj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GunnarHj/PerPackageUploaderApplication
[19:16] <sil2100> Any opinions regarding our current situation ^ ?
[19:16] <bdmurray> sil2100: I guess voting, I don't think we have a policy for extending PPU uploads.
[19:16] <rbasak> sil2100: IMHO it's fine without a separate vote. If somebody isn't happy because of a desire to see endorsements, then that can be made clear in a single vote.
[19:16] <sil2100> Right, I agree with rbasak's view here as well
[19:16] <bdmurray> if it were someone applying for core dev we would want to see endorsements.
[19:17] <sil2100> Right
[19:17] <bdmurray> not just reuse their motu ones.
[19:17] <sil2100> Any members have questions to GunnarHj before we start the vote?
[19:17] <sil2100> The extended package set can be found here:
[19:17] <sil2100> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000924.html
[19:17] <rbasak> Yes
[19:18] <rbasak> GunnarHj: as you're applying without endorsements, I feel I have to ask: do you know of any reason why your sponsors wouldn't want to give you an endorsement? Anything they have been unhappy about?
[19:19] <GunnarHj> rbasak: No, I'm not aware of any such reason. AFAIK they are reasonably happy with my performance. I felt this was in effect similar to extending a packageset, so for convenience reasons... That's all.
[19:20] <rbasak> Thanks. That makes me wonder actually. Does this set of packages form a packageset? Should we be creating one instead?
[19:21] <rbasak> It seems to me that it generally is "language support". Is this accurate?
[19:21] <GunnarHj> rbasak: I have thought the same. Not easy to define a packageset for l10n/i18n though...
[19:21] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Yes, it's "language support" in a sense.
[19:21] <rbasak> Why is "l10n/i18n" not a good description? :)
[19:22] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Sure, ok for me...
[19:22] <rbasak> Does accountsservice and/or ubuntu-docs fit into this as well? I imagine the latter does? What about accountsservice?
[19:23] <GunnarHj> rbasak: The part of accountsservice I'm dealing with is closely related to language-selector. (ubuntu-docs does not fit IMO.)
[19:24] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[19:25] <rbasak> I'm interested in the DMB elders' views on this. Should we create a i18n packageset?
[19:25]  * sil2100 is a newbie here
[19:25] <sil2100> bdmurray: ^?
[19:25] <bdmurray> I don't think there is a need at this point in time.
[19:25] <micahg> if we think people might be interested in such a thing, it sounds fine
[19:26] <GunnarHj> Currently I'd proably be the only member.
[19:26] <bdmurray> In which case I'd wait for another member.
[19:26] <rbasak> OK
[19:26] <sil2100> Maybe let's think about it next time
[19:26] <bdmurray> Or look for other devs w/ PPU for some of those packages.
[19:27] <sil2100> An action item for this maybe? Could someone check this?
[19:28] <sil2100> Does anyone want to pick up checking other devs with the same/similar sets of packages?
[19:28] <bdmurray> I will
[19:29] <sil2100> #action bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset
[19:29] <meetingology> ACTION: bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset
[19:29] <sil2100> Ok, any other questions?
[19:31] <sil2100> Let's vote in that case
[19:32] <sil2100> #vote
[19:32] <meetingology> Please vote on:
[19:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:32] <sil2100> Sorry, cat pressed enter too soon...
[19:32] <sil2100> #endvote
[19:32] <meetingology> No vote in progress
[19:32] <rbasak> Interesting.
[19:33] <rbasak> Is this Perl "empty string vs. undef"?
[19:33] <sil2100> #vote Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request
[19:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request
[19:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:34] <bdmurray> +1
[19:34] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:34] <sil2100> +1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement)
[19:34] <meetingology> +1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement) received from sil2100
[19:35] <rbasak> +1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements
[19:35] <meetingology> +1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements received from rbasak
[19:36] <rbasak> As a new DMB member I found it pretty hard without endorsements though, so I'm not sure about how I feel about this in principle. GunnarHj's previous endorsements were very strong though so I have little doubt about it this time.
[19:36] <rbasak> BenC? micahg?
[19:36] <BenC> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from BenC
[19:37] <bdmurray> I guess I've seen a lot of his work as an SRU team member.
[19:37] <sil2100> I suppose the packages were similar 'in nature' to the ones previously in his PPU rights so I guess this time it seemed to be natural and ok
[19:37] <BenC> I found enough paper trail to be comfortable.
[19:37] <micahg> +0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past
[19:37] <meetingology> +0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past received from micahg
[19:38]  * BenC reviewed it this morning
[19:38] <sil2100> #endvote
[19:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request
[19:38] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[19:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:38] <sil2100> GunnarHj: congratulations!
[19:38] <GunnarHj> Thanks for the showed confidence! :)
[19:38] <sil2100> I never did this before, who can actually do the permission changes in this case?
[19:38] <rbasak> GunnarHj: thank you for looking after these packages for Ubuntu
[19:39] <sil2100> I suppose I could do this as well but I would have to be instructed
[19:39] <rbasak> edit-acl from ubuntu-archive-tools
[19:39] <sil2100> Ok, let me put that on my list in that case
[19:39] <rbasak> I haven't actually used it to change permissions yet but I think I understand it now.
[19:39] <rbasak> I'm happy to take the action if you like, so I can learn the ropes.
[19:40] <sil2100> rbasak: ok, so you go first, I'll pick it up next time in that case
[19:40] <sil2100> rbasak: thanks!
[19:40] <rbasak> ack
[19:40] <sil2100> Ok, so I guess that's it for this topic, nothing more on the agenda
[19:40] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[19:41] <rbasak> sil2100: set me an #action please?
[19:41] <sil2100> Ah, right!
[19:41] <rbasak> sil2100: also a carry over for cyphermox I guess.
[19:41] <sil2100> #action rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj
[19:41] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj
[19:41] <bdmurray> I don't see ubuntu-mate here either fwiw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu_Developers_.28from_delegated_teams.29
[19:41] <sil2100> #action cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions
[19:41] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions
[19:42] <sil2100> Ok, any other business?
[19:43] <bdmurray> I wonder if that wiki page should be updated to include ubuntu-mate-dev
[19:43] <rbasak> I assumed that would be for cyphermox to do when he looks at creating the packageset?
[19:44] <bdmurray> Ah, fair enough.
[19:44] <sil2100> btw. I saw "Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders (Launchpad: ~ubuntu-utouch-dev)" which doesn't exist apparently
[19:44] <sil2100> Does anyone know why is it listed there? Was that supposed to be for ubuntu-touch or for some utouch packages that we don't have anymore?
[19:45] <sil2100> I wonder if there are more items that do not exist anymore right now
[19:46] <bdmurray> sil2100: You should check ;-)
[19:47] <sil2100> Ok, if that's a sensible action item let me add that for myself ;)
[19:48] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent
[19:48] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent
[19:48] <sil2100> Right, anything else?
[19:48] <rbasak> fonts-* is a really big list
[19:48] <rbasak> Is that OK?
[19:49] <rbasak> It surprises me, I just wanted to check if it was just me
[19:49] <rbasak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16642048/
[19:50] <rbasak> The other expansions are as I'd expect.
[19:51] <rbasak> For fonts-* would it worth creating a packageset called "fonts-*" just to make it a little more manageable?
[19:52] <sil2100> hm, indeed a huge list
[19:52] <rbasak> If nobody knows I can take it to the list.
[19:52] <sil2100> That idea seems worth considerating
[19:53] <rbasak> OK I'll take it to the list.
[19:53] <sil2100> Ok
[19:53] <GunnarHj> As regards fonts-*: Sure, it's long. And probably there is no reason to touch most of them in Ubuntu (synced from Debian). But it's hard to anticipate when there is a need...
[19:54] <rbasak> GunnarHj: sure - looking at your upload history I think it makes little sense to give you PPU to just what you've touched, since next time it's likely to be another and they presumably all work the same way.
[19:55] <rbasak> So I support giving you upload rights to it all, just wondering how technically to do it such that it remains manageable for us.
[19:55] <rbasak> I'll take it to the list.
[19:55] <sil2100> If there are no other items, let's finish today's meeting and discuss the fonts-* packageset on the ML
[19:56] <sil2100> Assuming we're good to finish up
[19:56] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[19:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon May 23 19:56:43 2016 UTC.
[19:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-23-19.09.moin.txt
[19:56] <sil2100> Thanks everyone!
[19:56] <rbasak> Thank you sil2100 for chairing.
[19:57] <sil2100> I'll update the agenda, next chair: cyphermox I suppose?
[19:58] <rbasak> Whoever is next on the list


[02:24] <Old_Gray_Wolf> Trying to get my cloak.
[19:25] <Old_Gray_Wolf> I need to get a cloak.
[19:26] <JoseeAntonioR> Old_Gray_Wolf: What's your LP IP?
[19:27] <Old_Gray_Wolf> What do you mean by LP IP?
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> Old_Gray_Wolf: Launchpad IP, link to your Launchpad profile
[19:28] <Old_Gray_Wolf> https://launchpad.net/~rsy
[19:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Old_Gray_Wolf: Ok, everything seems fine.
[19:29] <JoseeAntonioR> IRCC, Old_Gray_Wolf is requesting an @ubuntu/member/old_gray_wolf cloak, he's an Ubuntu Member.
[19:29]  * JoseeAntonioR pokes AlanBell, Pici, topyli, funkyHat or Tm_T
[19:30] <Old_Gray_Wolf> Actually, I'm Ubuntu Staff.
[19:31] <JoseeAntonioR> Old_Gray_Wolf: Yeah, I know you're from the Forums Staff, but freenode will only accept project cloak requests from group contacts, which are only the IRC Council
[19:38] <Myrtti> !support-#ubuntuforums is <reply> This is the Ubuntu Forums Community Chat, and is mainly used for offtopic conversations. If you are looking for support, please try #ubuntu. Thanks!
[19:38] <Myrtti> !support-#ubuntuforums
[19:39] <bobweaver> hello there I just put in three edit thingys for the bot and the 3rd one is the best
[19:39] <Myrtti> !support-#ubuntuforumsdurrrr
[19:39] <Myrtti> gah
[19:39] <Myrtti> durrr
[19:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Myrtti: I think it's taking only !support as there's a #
[19:39] <bobweaver> please disregard other ones
[19:39] <JoseeAntonioR> !support-ubuntuforums
[19:39] <Myrtti> JoseeAntonioR: er, no.
[19:40] <kitties> it is the !ufsupport one.
[19:40] <Myrtti> !support-#ubuntuforums
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> !support-ubuntuforums
[19:40] <Myrtti> why would you want a new ufsupport factoid when support could be modified?
[19:40] <Myrtti> !support
[19:40] <kitties> Myrtti: if you could mod the factoid to the new one, that would be fine
[19:41] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, just got the differences
[19:41] <JoseeAntonioR> I think they need approval
[19:41] <Myrtti> !no support-#ubuntuforums is <reply> This is the Ubuntu Forums Community Chat, and is mainly used for offtopic conversations. If you are looking for support, please try #ubuntu. Thanks!
[19:41] <Myrtti> !support-#ubuntuforums
[19:41] <Myrtti> !support
[19:42] <JoseeAntonioR> yay!
[19:42] <bobweaver> thanks Myrtti  :)
[19:42] <kitties> thanks Myrtti!
[19:44] <Myrtti> and then we count how many seconds it takes until they notice that ubotu5 isn't synced
[19:44] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[19:45] <JoseeAntonioR> Myrtti: you need permission from the IRCC to apply a cloak even if all requirements are met, right?
[19:45] <Myrtti> pretty much yes.
[19:45]  * JoseeAntonioR was just making sure
[19:45] <Myrtti> the process they do is not just granting us permission to do it
[19:46] <Myrtti> they also include the people in some launchpad groups in addition
[19:46] <Myrtti> AFAIK
[19:46] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, the ~ubuntu-irc-cloaks team