[00:27] <rostam> HI how could I preseed two nic interface one configured with dhcp (i.e. eth0) and one with static ip address (i.e. eth1)? thx
[00:47] <JayF> What package creates the "netdev" group in ubuntu server?
[00:54] <sarnold> JayF: looks like it might be avahi: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=netdev
[00:54] <JayF> Ugh. I do not want to install avahi, or network manager, on a cloud server image
[00:55] <JayF> but I'm getting knocked by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1054035
[00:55] <sarnold> JayF: ooh, ifupdown also appears to: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?prev=0.206.264&q=netdev&skip=345
[00:55] <JayF> I guess I could just manually create the group in the kick.
[00:55] <JayF> hmm
[00:55] <JayF> ifupdown is installed
[00:55] <JayF> but no such group
[00:56] <JayF> let me try a reinstall.
[00:56] <JayF> yeah ifupdown does not create a netdev group on saucy
[00:56] <JayF> although TIL about codesearch.debian.net
[00:57] <JayF> that's pretty sweet
[00:57] <sarnold> it's wonderful :)
[00:57] <JayF> hah! Powered by Rackspace.
[00:58] <JayF> How did I not know aobut this
[02:30] <Wilkim_> Hello
[02:30] <Wilkim_> I have a unused laptop with ubuntu-server on it
[02:31] <MavKen> same here
[02:31] <Wilkim_> When I close the laptop it goes to sleep and turns off in some capcity, and turns on instantly when i reopen it
[02:31] <MavKen> i run my company's crm off of a laptop server
[02:31] <Wilkim_> any idea how to prevent it from going to sleep when it closes as i store it under my entertainment center
[02:32] <Wilkim_> nice lol!
[02:32] <Wilkim_> I plan on using it for a developmentp-server
[02:33] <MavKen> goodluck with that, I have to keep screen up and turn off all the power related settings so it doesnt go to sleep
[02:34] <Wilkim_> so you have the same issue?
[02:34] <MavKen> yep
[02:35] <MavKen> im going to pick up one of those small dell desktop boxes on craigslist for 100 and install ubuntu server
[02:35] <Wilkim_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360615/ubuntu-server-13-10-now-goes-to-sleep-when-closing-laptop-lid
[02:35] <Wilkim_> that fixes it :)
[02:36] <MavKen> no way...wow
[02:36] <Wilkim_> lol, if it wasnt for the internet i would have given up on linux :P
[02:36] <MavKen> also, you may want to check out digitalocean.com - I am in the process of moving a lot of my sites over to there
[02:36] <MavKen> its a pretty sweet setup
[02:37] <MavKen> haha
[02:37] <MavKen> yeah
[02:39] <MavKen> they have ubuntu images
[02:40] <Wilkim_> that sounds nice ty, but im looking for just make use of my 4 unused laptops lol
[02:40] <Wilkim_> dual cores to quad cores
[02:40] <Wilkim_> decent hardware not being utilizedd
[02:41] <Wilkim_> ones now a development server
[02:41] <Wilkim_> 3 laptops *
[02:41] <Wilkim_> n im giving one to my brother n father lol
[02:41] <MavKen> nice
[02:42] <Wilkim_> btw I dont know what you do MavKen but I work for an advertisment company, if you would like to advertise at all let me know
[02:42] <Wilkim_> I dont deal with selling the services at all, but if I could help out a fellow friend then why not recommend it to them? :)
[02:42] <Wilkim_> http://www.yashi.com
[02:43] <MavKen> i provide consulting services to small businesses, but have a hobby business for web design/hosting
[02:44] <Wilkim_> Well if you would like to advertise let me know :) or goto that site, then the contact page and send a message
[02:45] <MavKen> ok
[02:45] <Wilkim_> we also provide advertisments to people at well if your looking to host ads too
[04:50] <rostam> Hi is it possible to disable network manager? thx
[04:53] <hitsujiTMO> rostam: uninstall it
[04:54] <rostam> hitsujiTMO, would that have any side effect, I guess I want to know is it good to have or not to have network manager? thx
[04:55] <hitsujiTMO> rostam: nothing relies on network manager and its safe to remove. just means you need to have an alternative way of configuring your network interfaces
[04:56] <MavKen> any recommendations on building a login system?
[04:57] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: what exactly do you mean?
[04:58] <MavKen> im creating a lightweight crm from scratch, needing a login system...ive hacked together login systems in the past but wanting to find a different way
[04:58] <MavKen> im using php/mysql
[04:59] <MavKen> i wish the major frameworks had something built in... i just dont like spending time on the login side of things
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: such a question would be more appropriate for #php then
[04:59] <MavKen> ok
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: one thing tho, use bcrypt/blowfish
[05:00] <MavKen> ok thanks, will check it out
[06:03] <crass> anyone know how/where/when local-premount initrd script get run from init?
[08:43] <Sling> having some weird issues with my apache httpd package all of a sudden, nothing out of the ordinary is appearing in logs but this is what happens: http://apaste.info/knE6
[08:44] <Sling> ah forgot to include in the paste that before the start command there are no apache processes running
[08:45] <Sling> this is ubuntu 13.10 with Apache/2.4.6
[08:51] <Sling> also, when I create a config file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ it should be enable-able by a2ensite right?
[08:51] <Sling> or hmm does it need the .conf extension..
[08:54] <Sling> so it does, anyway previous issue not yet fixed, any input would be appreciated
[09:27] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: looks like apache2 is being called started impropperly at another point
[09:27] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: that or its majorly misconfigured.
[09:28] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: have you looked at the error logs?
[09:28] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: yup as stated there is nothing out of the ordinary in the apache errorlog
[09:29] <Sling> also it actually is started and working fine, but not controllable by service apache2 <action> properly
[09:29] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: if you disable all the sites in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ does it still occor?
[09:29] <Sling> the httpd starts
[09:30] <Sling> its just the interaction between the upstart script and the actual httpd that is borked it seems
[09:30] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: apache2 is configured by sysv not upstart atm
[09:30] <Sling> okay that then :)
[09:31] <hitsujiTMO> have you tried disabling all sites, killing all apache processes and then starting again to see if you get the same hehaviour?
[09:34] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: yup, same behaviour
[09:35] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: has someone modified the apache sysv init script at some point?
[09:35] <Sling> very unlikely, not me at least
[09:36] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: if they haven't then the culprit would be the apache config. But don't think that can spawn new processes.
[09:36] <Sling> if the apache config would be broken, it wouldn't start
[09:38] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: not broken, just misconfigured
[09:39] <hitsujiTMO> you can have a misconfigured config that still works but doesn't do what its supposed to do
[09:39] <Sling> the httpd does what its supposed to do though..
[09:39] <Sling> it works perfectly fine
[09:40] <Sling> but for some reason, the processes that are launched, are not matching some pid file
[09:41] <Sling> /etc/apache2/envvars:export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2/apache2$SUFFIX.pid
[09:42] <Sling> that file doesn't exist, but /var/run/apache2.pid does
[09:43] <hitsujiTMO> $SUFFIX is a var. if its empty then the APACHE_PID_FILE produced is /var/run/apache2.pid
[09:43] <Sling> why not /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid ?
[09:43] <hitsujiTMO> ahh i see what you mean. you'd have to route thru the init script to see whats going on
[09:44] <hitsujiTMO> goes back to the question on if the init script has been modified or not
[09:44] <Sling> this fixes it; ln -s /var/run/apache2.pid /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid
[09:44] <Sling> but yeah, not proper solution
[09:45] <Sling> im guessing that some other package has fiddled with the init script
[09:45] <hitsujiTMO> that should not happen. are you using a ppa?
[09:46] <Sling> nope
[09:47] <Sling> although, there is a dl.google.com_linux_mod-spdy_deb_dists_stable_ in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:47] <Sling> hmm
[09:48] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: check the init script. maybe the server has been compromised
[09:54] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: last modified date was >6 months ago, and dpkg -S shows that only the apache2 package is doing something with that file
[09:54] <Sling> anyway, ill investigate further, some time :)
[09:55] <hitsujiTMO> tis a wee bit odd of an error
[10:10] <hallyn> smb: are you looking at bugs 1180281 and 915954 ?
[10:15] <smb> hallyn, Hm, since the bot is on holiday, give me a sec to look what they are
[10:29] <smb> hallyn, Ok, replied there but I would think those should be good in Trusty after libvirt 1.2.1 at least
[10:30] <hallyn> smb: i haven't actually look in detail;  was just wondering if you wer ehandling them.
[10:31] <hallyn> smb: yo're saying there are patches attached to the bug reports and those should go into our package?
[10:31] <hallyn> smb: if so, I'm currently getting ready to push libvirt to trusty with a new aarch64 patch pushed anyway...
[10:35] <rostam> HI how could I configure static IP address with nmcli ? thx
[10:55] <smb> hallyn, Now I am not sure you commented before I talked to you. Current code for libvirt1.2.1 should be working
[11:04] <hallyn> smb: i commented?
[11:04] <hallyn> oh, here you mean :)  thought you meant in the bug
[11:04] <hallyn> smb: yeah that was before we talked
[11:04] <hallyn> thx
[11:04] <smb> hallyn, Yeah, sorry for the confusion. :)
[11:13] <hallyn> adam_g: hi, for bug 1244694, could you test one more time, and report whether the new package works for you (no regressions)
[11:14] <hallyn> adam_g: it woudl be great if you could still reproduce it with the old version, but at least if the new package doesn't regress that's a good data point
[11:52] <shwaiil> Hi
[11:52] <shwaiil> wondering when is the next LTS version coming up ?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !lts|shwaiil,
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !trusty
[11:53] <shwaiil> cfhowlett: thanks for looking. looks like a long read
[11:54] <shwaiil> just wondering if I should stick with 12.04 for a new server I'm assembling here
[11:54] <shwaiil> when I did research someone mentioned to maybe just wait for 14.04, so I wasn't sure if is around or not: )
[11:54] <cfhowlett> shwaiil, new LTS in 3 months - direct uprgrade from current lts to 14.04
[11:54] <shwaiil> cfhowlett: 3 months, cool :)
[11:54] <shwaiil> Thank you
[11:54] <cfhowlett> shwaiil, no problem
[12:03] <DenBeiren> Hey all,.. i'm having some issues with cron not running as it should,.. anyone here to help out?
[12:24] <ltlbeaver> DenBeiren, what problem does your cron have?
[12:26] <DenBeiren> i addes a line to shutdown at a certain time
[12:26] <DenBeiren> it doesn't shutdown at the asked time :-)
[12:26] <DenBeiren> i used shutdown -h now
[12:27] <DenBeiren> sudo shutdown -h now
[12:27] <DenBeiren> tried as user, tried as root
[12:28] <ikonia> errr how are you doing that as cron
[12:28] <ikonia> sudo requires user access unless you've changes the sudo rules
[12:28] <ikonia> and the root account should be locked
[12:29] <DenBeiren> i made a cron using crontab -e as my default user, and added the line shutdown -h now
[12:29] <DenBeiren> since that didn't work, i tried using sudo
[12:29] <ikonia> ok - so thats not going to work
[12:30] <ikonia> sudo isn't going to work as it needs user input
[12:30] <DenBeiren> since that didn't work i tried the same two things logged in as root
[12:30] <ikonia> so again the root account should be locked so you shouldn't be logging as root
[12:30] <ikonia> and I suggest you show the EXACT cron line you are using
[12:30] <DenBeiren> uhu
[12:30] <DenBeiren> what would be the way to go then? :-)
[12:31] <ikonia> you could look at a specific sudo no password line for you
[12:31] <ikonia> but lets see the exact line you're using
[12:31] <DenBeiren> after searching on google i added this line now
[12:32] <DenBeiren> 00 07 * * * /sbin/shutdown -p now
[12:32] <ikonia> -p is an invalid flag
[12:32] <DenBeiren> ok
[12:33] <ikonia> it appears you are just copying things blind rather than actually thinking about things/checking them
[12:33] <ikonia> I suggest you stop that
[12:33] <ikonia> actually research the things you need, eg: man shutdown
[12:34] <DenBeiren> i try to do so, but even the manpages are not always that easy for novice users i'm afraid
[12:34] <ikonia> ok - but looking if -p is a flag should be basic for if you want to use -p
[12:34] <ikonia> it varies from distro/provider
[12:34] <ikonia> also try the command manually to get better output, once you know it works you can look at setting it up in cron
[12:35] <DenBeiren> shutdown -h works normally as default user
[12:35] <ikonia> "default user" ?
[12:35] <DenBeiren> i looked at this: http://www.ipaste.eu/view.php?id=1186
[12:35] <DenBeiren> well,.. denbeiren is the normal user i always use
[12:35] <DenBeiren> so default user = denbeiren
[12:36] <ikonia> ok, so that shouldn't work
[12:36] <ikonia> unless you use sudo or have setuid set
[12:36] <DenBeiren> it asks for a sudo password when i enter that command
[12:38] <ikonia> right, so cron can't do that as it's not interactive
[12:38] <ikonia> apply some thought
[12:38] <DenBeiren> figure out how to make user a sudouser?
[12:39] <ikonia> no, your user is already a sudo user
[12:40] <DenBeiren> then i'm afraid i don't know
[12:40] <ikonia> ok, so first of all test the sudo command you want to use, make sure it works
[12:40] <ikonia> then understand the limitations, eg: sudo
[12:41] <ikonia> then update your sudo rules to make the command "shutdown" not require a sudo password
[12:42] <zul> jamespage:  the dependencies got promoted im just un depwaiting things today
[12:44] <DenBeiren> the commands that i would like to run all work
[12:44] <ikonia> DenBeiren: ok, so go to the next step
[12:44] <DenBeiren> so i need to be checking out changing sudo rules probably?
[12:45] <mardraum> how about edit root's crontab? :p
[12:47] <DenBeiren> mardraum: seems like that would be a big nono :-)
[12:47] <ikonia> depends how you look at it
[12:50] <mardraum> there is nothing wrong with using root
[12:51] <mardraum> for administration and elevated privs
[13:02] <makara> hi. How do I restart sshd on 13.04?
[13:02] <makara> remotely
[13:02] <makara> `sudo restart sshd` gives `restart: Unknown job: sshd`
[13:03] <mardraum> service ssh restart, or old way /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[13:04] <mardraum> makara if you are used to BSDs, note that ubuntu tends to drop the "d"
[13:04] <DenBeiren> ikonia: thanks for the help so far,.. have to go to work, i will look into it
[13:04] <mardraum> eg services like "ssh" "ntp" etc
[13:05] <mardraum> though I note that the BSDs don't have a "restart" command I am aware with, so perhaps some other linux distro instead.
[13:10] <makara> mardraum, thx
[13:53] <ttx> zul, jamespage: was the 12.04 kernel namespace bug brought to your attention ? The one that blocks neutron gating ?
[13:53] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386
[13:53] <ttx> probably the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1252508/
[13:54] <jamespage> ttx, yes it has - mark pinged me last night about it
[13:54] <ttx> ok, cool
[13:55] <jamespage> sarnold, smb: could bug 1273386 have a bit of kernel team attention please
[13:55] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386
[14:21] <smb> jamespage, we will have a look
[14:26] <jamespage> smb, ta
[14:26] <jamespage> smb, also pinged arges
[14:27] <smb> jamespage, So he told me (sitting two seats down the table)
[14:27] <jamespage> smb, \o/
[15:05] <jamespage> smb, any chance you could join openstack-dev?
[15:07] <jamespage> smb,  probably a regression - "so far we've isolated that happens with 3.2.0-58 and did not happen with 3.2.0-57"
[15:16] <smb> jamespage, I can join. That info is good to have
[15:16] <jamespage> smb, thanks - it was really just to open up the channel between the neutron dev looking at this and your team
[15:44] <shwaiil> Q: I was questioning about user management for my samba file shares, if I can inherit the system users and groups, etc. Someone mentioned that I should use an intermediate access protocol like LDAP. I never did something like that, is that too complicated ? Thanks
[15:58] <atpa8a> hello
[15:59] <huttan> shwaiil: that is correct. If you setup a ldap server and add the samba schema, you can manage it centrally
[16:00] <shwaiil> huttan: Thanks so much for looking! I've got no experience with it but I'm ok about reading and trying. I just wonder if it's too complicated to setup ?
[16:00] <huttan> shwaiil: it depends on your experience with servers I guess. I personally found it pretty easy the first time i tried
[16:00] <olsonea> Hi #ubuntu-server! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am  I missing?
[16:00] <huttan> shwaiil: and now Ubuntu also provides you with some great documentation
[16:01] <huttan> shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-ldap.html
[16:01] <shwaiil> huttan: thanks, I'll try it then. have you ever found problems with mac osx clients ?
[16:01] <shwaiil> most people here use mac books :T a bit worried
[16:01] <huttan> shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[16:01] <atpa8a> should update-grub work for efi boot?..
[16:01] <atpa8a> cause mine doesn't
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: it works great with them too
[16:02] <atpa8a> expert mode installation
[16:02] <shwaiil> huttan: ok cool :)
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: if u want to centralize all, might also wanna look into kerberos
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: just a tip
[16:02] <shwaiil> huttan: so, for example, let's say I've got a developer group and I invite a developer here, I connect to LDAP and I can create a new user and he's going to have his own home directory and all that stuff ?!
[16:03] <shwaiil> kerberos... oh ok
[16:03] <huttan> shwaiil: yepp, as long as the server he logs on is configured to pull login info from ldap
[16:03] <huttan> shwaiil: u can also manage sudo rights etc. from ldap
[16:04] <shwaiil> huttan: not sure if I'm understanding everything.
[16:04] <shwaiil> so my project under /var/www/myProject owned by group "developers" at <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:04] <shwaiil> the developers would authenticate to a LDAP server and
[16:04] <shwaiil> ehh...
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: sure, u can setup apache to auth through ldap
[16:05] <shwaiil> hum, so what's kerberos ?
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: centralized passwords
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: in a secure way
[16:05] <shwaiil> but I can just work with LDAP without kerberos right ?
[16:06] <huttan> shwaiil: yeah
[16:06] <shwaiil> otherwise it's too much stuff for me to handle, to start with
[16:06] <huttan> shwaiil: its not requirement
[16:06] <shwaiil> huttan: just one thing, I usually provide a user and password to access a file share
[16:06] <shwaiil> with LDAP, it's exactly the same ?
[16:07] <huttan> shwaiil: yepp
[16:07] <olsonea> huttan: did shwaiil ask the same question I did before I entered?
[16:08] <huttan> olsonea: sorry i did not see your question
[16:08] <olsonea> about users with group permissions on /var/www?
[16:08] <olsonea> Hi #ubuntu! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am  I missing?
[16:08] <olsonea> s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-server/g
[16:09] <huttan> olsonea: i assume ur trying to create it as the www-data user and not ur regular home user?
[16:10] <olsonea> ah, let's call my home user olsonea. that's who i am authenticates as, yes.
[16:11] <huttan> olsonea: ok then
[16:11] <huttan> olsonea: So heres your problem, its owned by www-data so that has to be the one making dirs
[16:12] <huttan> olsonea: however, u can add urself to the group and give group write permission on /var/www
[16:12] <huttan> olsonea: then u could also make it w/o sudo
[16:12] <olsonea> ok, so when i issue the groups command, i am in the www-data group
[16:12] <olsonea> oh
[16:13] <olsonea> but it looks like the group only has read perms
[16:13] <olsonea> so i probably need to chmod 755 /var/www?
[16:13] <olsonea> err, less open, 751?
[16:14] <huttan> olsonea: no
[16:14] <huttan> olsonea: just do chmod g+w /var/www
[16:15] <huttan> olsonea: im not gonna specify recursive, if u need that do it
[16:15] <olsonea> gotcha
[16:15] <olsonea> huttan: superb, thanks for educating me
[16:16] <huttan> olsonea: sure, no problem
[16:44] <shwaiil> huttan: you still around ? I'm wondering, if LDAP have a GUI or a Web interface to allow any one to easily manage the user control access, etc ?
[16:44] <shwaiil> I'm trying to avoid creating any dependences
[16:44] <shwaiil> I don't want to be asked to manage new users or current users all the time by the command line
[16:45] <shwaiil> so just wondering if openLDAP provides that
[16:45] <shwaiil> I'm also doing research, maybe I'll find something about it meanwhile
[16:46] <pmatulis> shwaiil: openldap does not provide that, no
[16:46] <shwaiil> pmatulis: thanks for looking
[16:46] <shwaiil> if I'd like to have something like that, is it possible ?
[16:46] <pmatulis> shwaiil: i didn't look, i just know
[16:47] <pmatulis> shwaiil: it depends what kind of users you're talking about
[16:47] <shwaiil> pmatulis: sorry, what I mean with looking, is thanks for answering or thanks for taking your time to answer me, sorry not my native language
[16:47] <pmatulis> shwaiil: simple users or administrators
[16:47] <shwaiil> pmatulis: let's say any user with admin control be able to manage users
[16:48] <pmatulis> http://directory.apache.org/studio/
[16:48] <shwaiil> pmatulis: oh thanks
[16:48] <shwaiil> I'll have a look
[16:49] <pmatulis> but beware of relying too much on the gui.  i recommend learning the basics.  'cause you often need that to be able to debug/troubleshoot anything
[16:50] <shwaiil> pmatulis: sure. it's just to ensure that my managers and stuff have a way to manage simpler stuff
[16:50] <pmatulis> yep
[16:50] <shwaiil> without having to rely on me all the time, I'm just a developer anyway
[16:50] <shwaiil> let's say if I'm on vacations and stuff. We are a very small creative studio / agency
[16:50] <shwaiil> I do a bit of everything but.
[16:50] <pmatulis> for the basics, see the ubuntu server guide --> authentication --> openldap
[16:51] <tgm4883> What causes the screen to blank in ubuntu server?
[16:51] <shwaiil> tgm4883: are you running it under a VM ?
[16:51] <tgm4883> shwaiil, no, on an imac
[16:52] <shwaiil> tgm4883: happened to me when running on a VM, running in a mini mac
[16:52] <shwaiil> but I can still ssh to it etc
[16:52] <shwaiil> pmatulis: thanks
[16:52] <tgm4883> shwaiil, and you have to restart it afterwards?
[16:54] <conroe> Any suggestions package-wise at installing minimal lighdtm/xorg on -server?
[16:55] <conroe> I dont need accounts* and some of the other bloat ;)
[17:01] <pmatulis> conroe: openbox/lxde/lightdm
[17:25] <conroe> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommend should do it
[17:25] <conroe> figures ;)
[18:38] <atpa8a> any clues why upgrade-grub/efi doesn't work? Getting 'Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image..'
[18:41] <_atpa8a_> ...
[18:43] <TJ-> atpa8a: Have you got a degraded array?
[18:43] <atpa8a> TJ-: yup!
[18:43] <atpa8a> a fix?
[18:44] <atpa8a> is there?
[18:44] <atpa8a> testing efi, /boot on usb flash and / and friends on raid/lvm
[18:44] <TJ-> atpa8a: See http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?39527
[18:45] <TJ-> atpa8a: Do you still get "Installation finished. No error reported. " after "update-grub"
[18:45] <atpa8a> i think so
[18:46] <_atpa8a_> let me switch to this web interface so i can test
[18:46] <TJ-> Well, if so, there's no problem. Grub is warning about the missing device
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> hmm
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> retesting
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> actually want to add "bootdegraded=true" to grub
[18:48] <TJ-> Yes, although often it doesn't stop initrd scripts from stopping!
[19:08] <InfoIRCNET> Info about IRC http://p.pw/DLV
[19:27] <_atpa8a_> TJ-: thanks man! it worked
[19:40] <_atpa8a_> cool
[19:40] <_atpa8a_> now to trow openstack on it... :)
[20:47] <melter> if i run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork", why does "apachectl -V" show the MPM as "event" and not "prefork"?
[20:48] <sarnold> melter: is the event mpm still installed?
[20:48] <sarnold> I would expect it to be preferred if it is installed
[20:48] <melter> sarnold: it was never installed
[20:48] <sarnold> melter: hrm. odd.
[20:49] <melter> sarnold: i just did a fresh install to verify. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; reboot; apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork
[21:11] <NewInformator> Info about IRC at http://p.pw/DLV
[21:13] <genii> Spam.
[21:48] <hadifarn_> I want to change my Virtual Hosts directives in order to stop listening for <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:48] <hadifarn_> none of the tutorials I read tells me where the hell is that file
[21:48] <hadifarn_> sites-enabled and stuff
[21:51] <teward> hadifarn_: you haven't said which webserver you're using
[21:51] <teward> since there's many in the repos
[21:51] <hadifarn_> teward: sorry. apache2 on ubuntu
[21:53] <hadifarn_> I changed <VirtualHost *:80> to <VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80>
[21:53] <hadifarn_> that should do it. right?
[21:54] <teward> hadifarn_: i'm going to wait for an apache person to answer, i.e. someone who uses apache (I use nginx)
[21:54] <teward> but yes, now that you said it's apache someone can actually help :)
[21:54] <hadifarn_> ok. cheers teward
[21:55] <Pici> hadifarn_: If you haven't made any other configuration changes to apache's config, that should be it.  Make sure to restart apache afterwards.
[21:56] <hadifarn_> cool Pici. now my status mod should work
[21:56] <hadifarn_> yep. it works fine. thanks
[21:59] <rostam> Hi here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834522/    I like eth0 to be default gateway but it does not, how can I change that.
[23:13] <byprdct> Under what circumstance would the me using the arrow keys cause the terminal to populate stuff like ^[[A instead of showing my most recent commands?
[23:15] <sarnold> byprdct: incorrect TERM environment variable, incorrect or missing terminfo for your terminal, maybe incorrect stty settings, maybe incorrect settings in your shell..
[23:15] <byprdct> hmm number of things sarnold
[23:16] <byprdct> not happy
[23:16] <sarnold> normally when I see that sort of behavior, running 'stty -sane' or 'reset' is enough to fix it, but if it is busted on login, it can be miserable to debug these things..
[23:16] <byprdct> thanks sarnold
[23:16] <byprdct> sweet
[23:16] <byprdct> going to try that now
[23:16] <byprdct> I
[23:16] <byprdct> I'm hoping it's not this time
[23:17] <byprdct> sarnold are you saying run sudo stty -sane
[23:17] <byprdct> or sudo reset
[23:18] <sarnold> byprdct: no 'sudo' necessary
[23:18] <byprdct> ok
[23:18] <byprdct> sarnold I get usage: stty [-a|-e|-g] [-f file] [options]
[23:18] <sarnold> byprdct: sorry, 'stty sane'.
[23:18] <byprdct> nevermind Im a moron
[23:18] <sarnold> wonder how long I've been handing out wrong advice..
[23:19] <byprdct> lol
[23:19] <sarnold> it's obviously been ages since I've had similar problems, longer than I thought.
[23:19] <byprdct> nope still doing it
[23:19] <byprdct> thats a good thing
[23:20] <byprdct> it doesn't do it when Im logged in as root
[23:21] <sarnold> byprdct: are you using 'sh' or 'bash' for your shell? I just confirmed that 'sh' still gives the ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[B^[[B results
[23:21] <byprdct> I'm not sure how can I tell
[23:21] <byprdct> I sshd in
[23:22] <sarnold> byprdct: ps auxw | grep $$   ought to do it
[23:23] <byprdct> rep: to: No such file or directory
[23:23] <byprdct> all three are no such files or directory
[23:26] <pmatulis> how do i apply password strength checking on newly-created users?  that is, on the adduser/useradd commands
[23:27] <sarnold> pmatulis: check out libpam-pwquality
[23:27] <pmatulis> sarnold: thanks, will look
[23:29] <pmatulis> sarnold: this seems the same as libpam-cracklib
[23:30] <pmatulis> sarnold: so applied in common-password , which is for changing of passwords, not creating the initial one
[23:30] <sarnold> pmatulis: ah yes, I knew there was another one I couldn't recall.. sigh :)
[23:31] <pmatulis> is it possible to enforce 'user must change password after first login'?  then i could use the above modules
[23:31] <sarnold> pmatulis: does /etc/pam.d/newusers work for this case?
[23:31] <pmatulis> right now it points to common-password
[23:33] <pmatulis> ldd tells me /usr/sbin/useradd is not pam-aware
[23:46] <Guest98397> hi running software raid 1. I added the new devices and mdadm did a recovery. So I now have 4 identical drives. I set the boot flag on the new drives on the first partition. Do I have to copy the mbr to the new disks? Is there anything else I need to do to boot the new drives?
[23:46] <Guest98397> I think I'll try dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, that will probably make it boot.
[23:49] <sarnold> pmatulis: sorry, back; shadow(5) describes a password expiry that can be used for that, but it's been long enough since I've tried it I'm not sure how it works :)
[23:50] <pmatulis> sarnold: i found the chage command, it might do the same.  'chage -d 0 username'
[23:51] <sarnold> pmatulis: nice
[23:58] <Guest98397> I used grow to remove the old hard drives


[21:17] <Tumie> haha, 'banditti' @ launchpad, approved me @ ubuntu-arizona team.. but i proposed that more than 3-6 months ago XD
[23:32] <johnc4510> The  newest issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[23:32] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue151


[12:57] <jrwren> anyone ever play with docker swarm?
[13:08] <rick_h> morning
[13:08] <rick_h> jrwren: not meaningfully tbh
[13:10] <jrwren> rick_h: it looks WAY easier to setup and run for a basement type setup than k8s
[13:10] <jrwren> rick_h: sometime this week I'll setup a few nodes and let you know :)
[13:10] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, it's based in basically
[13:11] <rick_h> jrwren: I know at one point the goal had been to have a swarm-like solution like k8s to support as an option, but it wasn't feature comparible and there wasn't the user ask for it vs k8s
[13:12] <jrwren> rick_h: do you mean canonical in that answer?
[13:12] <rick_h> jrwren: yea
[13:12] <jrwren> *nod* makes sense.
[13:12] <jrwren> I think canonical chose wisely. k8s is blowing up. its the new open stack.
[13:13] <jrwren> openstack large growth is over AFAICT. It might continue to grow at a very small amount, but not like it was.
[13:23] <cmaloney> morning
[13:24] <cmaloney> yeah, seemes.k8s is the new "can't swing a dead cat withiut hitting" tech
[13:25] <jrwren> yup, and for good reason. it is damned awesome.
[13:33] <rick_h> cccccceefhftvjrkhfukicfnknfhifflfgvkhtnhcngk
[13:33] <rick_h> doh
[13:33] <cmaloney> gezundheit
[13:33] <rick_h> ty :P
[13:35] <cmaloney> I'm remembering why people hate Ansible: YAML and indentation sucks worse than Python
[13:41] <jrwren> yaml is very nice. indentation in it and python is great.
[13:41] <jrwren> yaml sucks for other reasons :p
[13:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's great, but it's also frustrating when you think you have the indentation right and haven't done YAML in a while.
[13:43] <cmaloney> jrwren: What don't you like about YAML?
[13:44] <cmaloney> (other than the syntax errors are a pain to disgnose for indentation issues. ;) )
[13:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: multiline strings, and implicit dictionary for any value that has a colon.
[13:45] <jrwren> key: https://www.google.com   // in yaml this is not a key with a string value
[13:45] <jrwren> it is a key with a dict value wiht a key of https and value //www.google.com
[13:45] <jrwren> for something with goal of human readability, this is a failure.
[13:45] <cmaloney> That's what quotes are for. :)
[13:47] <cmaloney> you just reminded me of the parsing in PyYAML, where things got nested pretty deep in lists.
[13:52] <jrwren> yes, that is what quotes are for, but it fails the goal of human readable and writable format.
[13:52] <jrwren> the thing to remember about yaml is that it is just JSON in a different layout, one you get that the dict and list nesting makes complete sense.
[13:55] <cmaloney> Yeah
[13:55] <cmaloney> I still like it. Compared with XML it's a joy to use
[13:57] <jrwren> oh, well, if that is your comparison, then yes. its great.
[14:09] <cmaloney> I'm a simple man
[14:16] <cmaloney> http://elm-lang.org/papers/ <- nice 4040 page
[19:22] <jrwren> I think I'm going to buy my wife a Nikon D3400 for her birthday. I think I'll get the +$100 version with the 70-300mm lens in addition to the 18-55mm
[19:22] <jrwren> what does rick_h think?
[19:23] <jrwren> or any other camera enthusiasts.
[19:24] <rick_h> jrwren: hmm, not sure. I've not compared the entry dslr in a while. I'm a bit of a mirrorless fanbio I guess
[19:24] <rick_h> jrwren: no wifi :(
[19:26] <jrwren> nope, but bluetooth, which to iphone is probably perfect fo rher.
[19:28] <rick_h> jrwren: does it have an app to send photos over?
[19:28] <rick_h> jrwren: what's she looking to do? start getting into photography, better pics of the daughter?
[19:28] <jrwren> getting started.
[19:28] <jrwren> outgrow iphonography
[19:29] <jrwren> the BT thing is this: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/snapbridge-app.page
[19:29] <jrwren> and she does like pulling it into lightroom on iphone, so this seems great.
[19:31] <rick_h> cool
[19:31] <rick_h> does it ship full photos or just reduced resolution ones?
[19:32] <jrwren> great question. I should check.
[19:32] <jrwren> I'd assume full these days, but you never knoew.
[19:32] <rick_h> yea, some cameras I've had only do smaller versions
[19:32] <jrwren> I have a shit wifi nikon that only ships smaller and I didn't know that before I bought it.
[19:32] <rick_h> wifi tends to do more since it's higher bandwidth.
[19:32] <jrwren> i mean, it is cheapo point and shoot, but still
[19:32] <rick_h> ah, heh there goes my assuming wifi > BT there
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> anybody got a pair of ANC headphones they recommend?
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> looking at bose qc25/qc35 or plantronics backbeat pro 2 right now
[19:37] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: I love my qc20 but they're wired and :/ if pixel doesn't have a port
[19:38] <rick_h> jrwren: so looking at dpreview it's getting a negative for wanting to manual control stuff and such
[19:38] <jrwren> https://www.shutterbug.com/content/nikon-d3400-dslr-review-snapbridge-wireless-connectivity-affordable-dslr  sounds pretty sweet.
[19:38] <rick_h> jrwren: +1 to getting on nikon glass
[19:39] <jrwren> rick_h: the camera in general or that BT conn thing?
[19:39] <rick_h> jrwren: dxomark doesn't have feedback on the 70-300 so not sure how that is
[19:39] <rick_h> jrwren: the d3400 camera
[19:40] <jrwren> thanks. I'll go read that.
[19:40] <rick_h> I'll never understand the stupid nikon model numbers. 3300, 5600, 3400...
[19:40] <jrwren> its the wirecutter recommended entry level, so I'll have to compare the reasons.
[19:40] <rick_h> jrwren: gotcha
[19:41] <rick_h> jrwren: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d3400-review
[19:41] <rick_h> jrwren: https://goo.gl/UhY8nJ for the glass
[19:43] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: yea i'm kinda ambivalent about wired. for now i'm happy with my pixel 1 but it won't last forever and i'll be a little annoyed if my headphones only last 2 years because my next phone doesn't have a jack
[19:44] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: yea, especially for the $$ NC headphones are
[19:44] <mrgoodcat> yea. the backbeat pro 2s get good reviews for a _relatively_ affordable price though
[19:44] <mrgoodcat> and wireless
[19:45] <rick_h> I've been looking at the wireless versions of my qc25s, but the NC is not up to snuff
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> on the 35s?
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> everything i've seen says the 35s have the best NC on the market
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> i've not used them yet though. a trip to best buy is in order fairly soon
[19:46] <rick_h> no the 30s
[19:46] <rick_h> sorry, I do earbuds since they pack a lot smaller
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> ah yea. I looked at some earbuds but for wearing all day at the office i'd rather have something more comfortable
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> we have a saddening combination of a training program for ~20 recent college grads, and a foosball table
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> i like foosball as much as the next guy but...
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> its time for some NC headphones
[19:48] <rick_h> jrwren: what about d5600? maybe used?
[19:49] <rick_h> jrwren: gets better reviews on dpreview it looks like and in nikon glass. Little bit more but maybe can get a used one from someone upgrading
[19:51] <cmaloney> NC headphones are overrated
[19:51] <cmaloney> Just get something that closes off the ear canal and you're good
[19:52] <jrwren> rick_h: maybe... and now i think i should consider mirrorless too
[19:53] <rick_h> Consider mirrorless and I'll say I love my Sony's and I'm happy to have moved there from Olympus.
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: i would have thought so too before this foosball table entered my life
[20:12] <mrgoodcat> i've had sony a57, a100, and a700. none of them have disappointed me
[20:23] <jrwren> rick_h: kinda seems like entry level sony a5000 is a way better choice for her.
[20:28] <rick_h> jrwren: 6000 or 6300 ftw
[20:28] <jrwren> why?
[20:29] <jrwren> i think you are probably right.
[20:33] <jrwren> I mean... why buy entry level when you can go midrange for twice the price. :)
[20:53] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I'm biased as I'm a long way down the rabbit hole so my feedback, as someone that's bought a few cameras, is that the higher you can jump up the ladder the better off you'll be long time
[20:53] <rick_h> long term
[21:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, the classifieds are full of folks that didn't buy good enough
[21:12] <cmaloney> might even see if you can find something used
[21:14] <jrwren> I think reading and rick_h has me convinced of 6300
[21:14] <jrwren> rick_h has finer states than me, but if I can't convince myself that lesser will do, then I think I have to go for the good stuff.
[21:16] <rick_h> happy to be a bad influence if it all works out, otherwise I had nothing to do with it :P
[22:11] <greg-g> team member's photos: https://tylercipriani.com/photos/solar-eclipse/
[22:12] <rick_h> Nice


[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60973 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Silently fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60973
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60974 in boson-base (universe) "it crashes when i want to start the game (game menu loads up)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60974
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60975 in usplash (main) "Usplash not showing art (edgy)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60975
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60976 in Ubuntu "Firefox doesn't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60976
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60977 in Ubuntu "Network connection is slow on ubuntu machines" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60977
[12:26] <crimsun> what's with the rash of ambiguously described bugs?
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60978 in eclipse (universe) "eclipe 3.2 is out" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60978
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60979 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice on Ubuntu x86 crashes when tables clicked" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60979
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60980 in beep-media-player (universe) "keeps playing after close" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60980
[01:04] <bddebian> Boo
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60981 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice on x86 crashes when "Finish" clicked in Wizard" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60981
[01:21] <poppyer> hi, where is the most efficient place to report a Edgy Knot-3 bug/solution?
[01:21] <crimsun> bugs -> malone
[01:23] <poppyer> oops, it needs a registration
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60982 in human-icon-theme (main) "gnome-panel 'Network Monitor' applet has extremely wide signal strength icon" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60982
[02:18] <ausimage> welshbyte did you look at bug #58682 lately... I updated backtrace with firefox-dbg installed. My up-to-date Edgy is still giving me the same hassles yet....
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58682 in galeon "Consistent Crash on Specific Pages in Edgy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682
[02:21] <welshbyte> ausimage: yeah good job on getting the new backtrace, i think it'll need someone in-the-know to look at it now to see whats going on though
[02:22] <ausimage> Yeah I kinda thought so.. could you set the bug to triaged and whatever else???
[02:23] <welshbyte> ausimage: no i don't have permission to do that
[02:23] <ausimage> Who do I bug get the bug status updated?
[02:23] <welshbyte> ausimage: one thing you could do though, is search the upstream bugtracker and see if the bug exists there
[02:23] <ausimage> I did that and could not find any thing similar.
[02:25] <welshbyte> the lack of dupes seems to hint that it might be specific to your system, but i can't think what would cause it
[02:26] <welshbyte> have you run a memtest lately :)
[02:26] <ausimage> memtest?
[02:27] <ausimage> welshbyte: crazy thing is I can view the pages in question in Epiphany and others
[02:29] <welshbyte> this is why i thought it might be a galeon plugin/extension
[02:29] <welshbyte> ..causing the problem
[02:30] <ausimage> Um I have a few other pages tripping galeon up and some don't need plug-ins though....
[02:31] <ausimage> I was looking for info php/mysql and some devloper sites crashed it as well... forgot to write them down though.
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60984 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed while attempting to fix grub" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60984
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> bug 40700
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40700 in xorg "16:9 aspect ratios not working Dapper Beta" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40700
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60985 in festalon (multiverse) "There is a new version out" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60985
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60986 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  OpenOffice.org crashes everytime I try to save " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60986
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60987 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Loss of sound devices (/dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/sequencer /dev/midi)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60987
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60988 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "bttv remote not working" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60988
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60989 in hal (main) "HAL reports incorrect battery percentages" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60989
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60990 in ghemical (universe) "Ghemical won't load on dapper after updates installed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60990
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60991 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu install window hangs on "Abort the installation?"" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60991
[04:49] <JoseStefan> is there such thing as a bug day schedule?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> each wednesday?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> sort of
[04:50] <JoseStefan> ok
[04:51] <Hobbsee> they have a group of bugs that tehy're looking to get thru, and everyone works on them
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60992 in update-manager (main) "after updating the system openoffice.org menus and icons disappear when I want to klcik on them" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60992
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60993 in update-manager (main) "locales don't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60993
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60994 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "don't mount blank dvds after update of kernel image" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60994
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60995 in firefox (main) "The backspace key pages up instead of going back in history" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60995
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60996 in initramfs-tools (main) "minor error during initramfs generation" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60996
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60997 in gwenview (main) "UVF - New Upstream Release" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60997
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60998 in krb5 (main) "Please sync 1.4.3-9 (main) from snapshot.d.o (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60998
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60999 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "/lib/firmware/acx/2.6.15-26-386/acx/default wrong" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60999
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61000 in bluez-utils (main) "hcid crashes on shutdown" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61000
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61001 in update-manager (main) "Cannot upgrade from dapper to edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61001
[08:07] <mempf> hi guys
[08:08] <dholbach> hey mempf
[08:08] <mempf> what to do
[08:08] <dholbach> you're asking where to start triaging bugs?
[08:08] <mempf> sure
[08:08] <dholbach> super
[08:08] <dholbach> it probably makes sense to look at bugs of a package you know well
[08:09] <mempf> ok
[08:09] <dholbach> so that it's easy for you to try to reproduce bugs or ask for more info
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61002 in firefox (main) "Mozilla Firefox: No buttons at Quick Find" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61002
[08:15] <mempf> so how do i confirm bugs and stuff?
[08:16] <dholbach> click on the yellow bar
[08:16] <dholbach> it'll open a menu, where you can change settings and add information, etc
[08:17] <mempf> ah
[08:17] <dholbach> it's nice of you to help out
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61003 in eog (main) "Eye of Gnome prints a black page when printing tiff files in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61003
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61004 in eog (main) "Eye of Gnome prints a black page when printing tiff files in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61004
[08:27] <dholbach> looks like a dup, hm? ;=)
[08:27] <dholbach> ;-)
[08:29] <ajmitch> could be!
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61005 in mozilla-firefox (main) "https broken when firefox launched by Gnome to view a clicked link" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61005
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61006 in update-manager (main) "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61006
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61007 in gnome-panel (main) "moving panel launcher erases details" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61007
[08:30] <dholbach> we get way too many bugs
[08:30] <dholbach> i'll do a run-through the OLD bugs later on
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61008 in galeon (universe) "Please review merge of galeon" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61008
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61009 in alsa-driver (main) "No alsa sound through Motorola V300 phone" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61009
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61010 in gtksee (universe) "Please review merge of gtksee" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61010
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61011 in powersave (universe) "Unable to use speedstepping in Edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61011
[09:27] <dholbach> speed stepping - sounds like a new workout program
[09:27] <pepsiman> heh
[09:28] <mempf> anyone notice the repos become slow latly?
[09:30] <dholbach> mempf: slow like what?
[09:30] <mempf> updating
[09:30] <mempf> normally i get 200+KB
[09:30] <mempf> now its under 50KB
[09:32] <pepsiman> Fetched 1558kB in 3s (457kB/s)
[09:32] <mempf> which mirror?
[09:33] <pepsiman> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <mempf> ah
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61013 in firefox (main) "Firefox don't start if spanish locale is selected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61013
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61014 in kdeaddons (main) "Desktop Pager backgrounds disappear with applet handles" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61014
[09:38] <mempf> im testing #61013 now
[09:44] <mempf> Conrimed
[09:45] <pepsiman> any idea why?
[09:45] <mempf> nope
[09:45] <mempf> it might help if a knew spanish
[09:45] <mempf> lol
[09:46] <pepsiman> error reading XML: entity not defined
[09:46] <pepsiman> location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[09:46] <pepsiman> Line: 1140, column 9:
[09:46] <pepsiman> ...
[09:46] <mempf> broken code?
[09:47] <crimsun> no, that's a dupe of bug 60631
[09:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60631 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "[edgy] Crash opening firefox" [Critical,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60631
[09:47] <pepsiman> I can't even find a browser.xul in the language package
[09:47] <crimsun> it has already been fixed.
[09:47] <mempf> when was that?
[09:48] <mempf> ah a few days ago
[09:48] <crimsun> no. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005696.html
[09:49] <crimsun> when you triage, it's a good idea to have an rss feed for (or a browser open to) the current month's edgy-changes
[09:50] <crimsun> additionally you'll find that bookmarking (or memorising) the most duplicated bug #s will help you mark duplicates more efficiently
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61015 in jpilot (universe) "Please sync jpilot (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61015
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61016 in jpilot-backup (universe) "Please sync jpilot-backup (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61016
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61017 in jpilot-syncmal (universe) "Please sync jpilot-syncmal (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61017
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61018 in sysvinit (main) "Risk of deleting important data when RAID fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61018
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61019 in libmal (main) "Please sync libmal (main) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61019
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61020 in linpqa (universe) "Please sync linpqa (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61020
[10:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61021 in pilot-qof (universe) "Please sync pilot-qof (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61021
[10:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61023 in latex-xcolor (universe) "overaged package" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61023
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61025 in pxlib (main) "Mistakes in pxlib strings" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61025
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61026 in acpi (main) "[Edgy - Regression]  Dell Inspiron 510m can no longer resume from sleep/suspend to RAM" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61026
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61029 in gnome-applets (main) "Network monitor in edgy is surrounded by whitespace" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61029
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61028 in kdebase (main) "show desktop function works only till one window will open" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61028
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61030 in ssed (main) "Mistake in ssed string (dapper)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61030
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61031 in firefox (main) "Firefox don't run" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61031
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61032 in acpi-support (main) "Wrong resolution after resume from hibernation" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61032
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61033 in scite (universe) "Tabs don't function properly under edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61033
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61034 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Cannot add printer" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61034
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61037 in Ubuntu "Umount icon don't change" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61037
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61036 in python-defaults (main) "str.encode() dosn't work as expected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61036
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61038 in gwenview (main) "1.3.92b -> 1.4.0 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61038
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61039 in sgt-puzzles (universe) "No desktop entries" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61039
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61040 in firefox (main) "chrome://browser/content/browser.xul entity error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61040
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61041 in libpoe-filter-ircd-perl (universe) "Please sync libpoe-filter-ircd-perl (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61041
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61042 in libpoe-component-irc-perl (universe) "Please sync libpoe-component-irc-perl (universe) from unstable" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61042
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60887 in gnome-app-install "Fails to install when not done from within X" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60887
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61044 in xmms (main) "recursive path failure" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61044
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61045 in alsa-driver (main) "Internal Mic isn't working on Samsung X60 Laptop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61045
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61046 in apt (main) "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/multiverse/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61046
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61047 in gnome-app-install (main) "Missing java plugin for firefox" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61047
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61048 in acroread (multiverse) "Plugin loading fails in firefox" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61048
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61049 in alsa-lib (main) "Error in almast every application that tries to use alsa" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61049
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61050 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  Knot-3 Live CD sets up keyboard in English instead of Spanish" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61050
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61051 in ubuntu-artwork (main) "GDM Login failed text hard to read on brown background" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61051
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61052 in firefox (main) "Edgy Eft Knot 3: Firefox fails to start when el_GR.UTF-8 locale is used." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61052
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61053 in cdcat (universe) "Segmentation fault while reading id3 tags" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61053
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61054 in ubiquity (main) "Show sizes of created partitions" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61054
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61055 in sablotron (main) "[Edgy MoM]  sync sablotron from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61055
[02:26] <dean> I attempted to install Jedit and broke the Synaptic Package Manager. I've tried apt-get install -f to no avail. I receive the error message: E: The package jedit needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[02:26] <dean> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[02:26] <dean> Can anyone please help?
[02:28] <dsas> Have you tried uninstalling jedit?
[02:28] <dean> yes
[02:28] <dean> it seems to be lost
[02:29] <dsas> hmm, well I don't know how to fix it, I do know that other people have had problems with jedit in the past.
[02:29] <dsas> see bug 56413 for example.
[02:29] <dean> thank you
[02:29] <dean> i got the jar to work, gave up on the package
[02:30] <dsas> dean: see also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39563
[02:30] <dean> thanks
[02:31] <dsas> you should be aware that user support is done in #ubuntu though
[02:31] <dean> ok thanks
[02:31] <dean> new here
[02:31] <dsas> no problem, hope you fix your problem.
[02:31] <dean> thanks again
[02:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #61057 in tkabber (universe) "tkabber failed to provide cyrillic (russian, in my case) input from keyboard" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61057
[02:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #61058 in tellico (universe) "[Merge]  tellico 1.2.2-1ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61058
[02:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #61060 in bogofilter (main) "kmail and bogofilter do not work together using kmail antispam wizard" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61060
[03:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #61061 in afterstep (universe) "[Edgy MoM]  sync afterstep from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61061
[03:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #61062 in showimg (universe) "[Edgy MoM]  sync showimg from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61062
[03:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #61063 in tecnoballz (universe) "[Sync Request]  tecnoballz 0.91cvs20060616-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61063
[03:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #61064 in Ubuntu "Install (or live disk) crash during boot process with error 4 on usplash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61064
[03:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #60965 in upstart (main) "sulogin starts wrong shell (upstart single user mode)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60965
[03:21] <Ubug2> New bug: #61065 in kde-guidance (main) "Guidance Power Manager won't detect battery" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61065
[03:31] <Ubug2> New bug: #61066 in notification-daemon (main) "Crashed when I closed X-chat (and took X-Chat with it...)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61066
[03:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #61067 in Ubuntu "losing Icon when adding to menu-bar" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61067
[03:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #61070 in xarchiver (main) ".tap file in wrong location" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61070
[03:37] <Ubug2> New bug: #61069 in xarchiver (main) "--extract-to and -x options don't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61069
[03:44] <cbx33> does anyone know if the d-i bug has been fixed yet.....where if you press ctrl+alt when there is a progress bar it hangs?
[03:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #61072 in Ubuntu "fstab: duplicate partitions shown on gnome desktop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61072
[03:47] <Ubug2> New bug: #61071 in epiphany-browser (main) "[Edgy]  Spinner flickers" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61071
[03:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #61074 in openoffice.org (main) "it delayed to close! " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61074
[03:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #61073 in kdebase (main) "Save file to Desktop - File will not appear if saved to symlink" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61073
[03:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #61075 in samba (main) "Crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61075
[04:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #61076 in gnome-app-install (main) "app-install-data contains non-free icons from multiverse, app-install-data-commercial contains even more unfree stuff" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61076
[04:08] <Ubug2> New bug: #61077 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Does not boot on Alienware desktop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61077
[04:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #61078 in apport (main) "apport stucks in a loop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61078
[04:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #61079 in xchat-gnome (main) "Crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61079
[04:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #61080 in xscreensaver (main) "random crash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61080
[04:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #61082 in file-roller (main) "File-roller don't use mime type, also context menu "open with" seems duplicate "view" function." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61082
[04:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #61084 in gwget2 (universe) "extension file installed in wrong directory, doesn't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61084
[04:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #61083 in mono (main) "mono crashes following a system update" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61083
[04:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #61085 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "Please sync emacs-snapshot 1:20060915-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61085
[04:55] <shenki> hello
[04:55] <shenki> I'm looking at bug 57804
[04:55] <Ubug2> Malone bug 57804 in compiz "compiz fails to start as cannot find texture_from_pixmap" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57804
[04:55] <shenki> the issue is resolved, but I'm not sure what the status should be changed to
[04:56] <ivoks> fix released if it's fixed
[04:56] <shenki> okay
[04:56] <shenki> kinda a counter-intuitive name, considering nothing was released that fixed it
[04:56] <shenki> but thanks
[04:57] <ivoks> are you sure?
[04:57] <shenki> 100% positive
[04:57] <shenki> the issue was more that a different option was necessary for running compiz under aiglx
[04:58] <ivoks> then it isn't fixed
[04:58] <shenki> yes it is
[04:58] <shenki> i guess the bug was more invaild
[04:58] <ivoks> fix is when you change the code or package
[04:59] <ivoks> adding different options to program isn't a fix
[04:59] <shenki> that's why I asked what I shoudl change the bug's status to
[04:59] <ivoks> but a user error or still a normal bug (it the program should work with that options)
[04:59] <ivoks> as i can see on freedesktop, this is a cosmetic bug
[04:59] <ivoks> which isn't fixed yet
[04:59] <ivoks> leave it as is
[05:00] <ivoks> is still a valid bug, which isn't fixed
[05:00] <shenki> i see where you're coming form, but the bug that was reported was reported because compiz couldn't find the tfp extension - the reason it couldnt find it, because you need to use a commandline option for running compiz under aiglx
[05:01] <ivoks> then it's a bug and isn't fixed yet
[05:01] <ivoks> you are using a workaround
[05:01] <shenki> okay, think of it this way:
[05:01] <shenki> a user reports a bug saying that "apt-get firefox" wont install firefox for him
[05:02] <shenki> that's not a bug, because to get apt to install a package, you need to pass the "install" param
[05:02] <ivoks> i'm not sure if this analogy is correct
[05:02] <shenki> same with compiz: under aiglx, it needs the --indirect-rendering option
[05:02] <ivoks> but i would go with freedesktop opinion; it's a bug
[05:03] <shenki> whereas with xgl, it doesn't need the switch
[05:03] <ivoks> shenki: but user should do anything in terminal
[05:03] <ivoks> shenki: it should just work
[05:03] <shenki> yes, I agree
[05:06] <trappist> dpkg-reconfigure -a forces me to set a root password, which defaults the purpose of the way we use sudo.  how do I know what package to file the bug against?
[05:06] <trappist> s/defaults/defeats/
[05:08] <ivoks> eh
[05:08] <pepsiman> trappist: grep root\ password /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.template
[05:09] <pepsiman> +s
[05:09] <ivoks> passwd
[05:09] <trappist> looks like it's in passwd.  good move, thanks :)
[05:10] <trappist> and looking at that, apparently it's not forced, but it doesn't tell you until after you enter an empty password that doing so will fall back to using sudo
[05:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #61087 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashes on close" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61087
[05:24] <carthik> hi Seveas
[05:26] <Ubug2> New bug: #61088 in shadow (main) "dpkg-reconfigure forces setting of root password" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61088
[05:26] <Ubug2> New bug: #61089 in network-manager (main) "NM should notice changes to /etc/network/interfaces automatically" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61089
[05:28] <bddebian> Boo
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61090 in xfe (universe) "The helper programs (xfi, xfq, xfv) do not work as expected" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61090
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61091 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Disks admin don't allow to format in FAT16" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61091
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61092 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all (main) "mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb contains incorrect translations of "disk" (both dapper and edgy)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61092
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61094 in Ubuntu "network manager is not able to use zd1211rw with WPA" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61094
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61095 in mono (main) "Crash trying to open tomboy preferences" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61095
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61093 in scribus (main) "<IP_ADDRESS> -> 1.2.5 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61093
[06:12] <seb128> ahah
[06:12] <seb128> 298 unread bug mails, I took them under 300 :)
[06:13] <seb128> getting some deserved fresh air now :)
[06:13] <seb128> bbl
[06:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61097 in gnome-applets (main) "gweather is missing zones" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61097
[06:13] <dholbach> seb128: congratulations!
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61098 in gnome-applets (main) "Locations.xml is ridiculiously huge" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61098
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61101 in noteedit (universe) "Fails to provide the German hand book" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61101
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61099 in evince (main) "evince systematic crash on amd64 when called from firefox" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61099
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61100 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61100
[06:23] <carthik> dholbach, new shiny: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ :)
[06:24] <seb128> carthik: nice!
[06:24] <seb128> daily count is not nice though
[06:24] <seb128> weekly rather
[06:25] <jjesse> carthik : i saw them on the ubuntu newsletter
[06:25] <jjesse> they lok nice :)
[06:25] <dholbach> carthik: man... you ROCK!
[06:25] <carthik> oh, is it in the newsletter already :)
[06:25] <carthik> dholbach, just to feed my own addiction to stats ;)
[06:25] <dholbach> mdz: did you see  http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ ?
[06:25] <mdz> dholbach: no
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61102 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox switches to another song if I use the "Search" field" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61102
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61103 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "console fails to display after X starts" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61103
[06:26] <jjesse> it was on the ubuntu weekly newsletter if i recall correctly :)
[06:27] <carthik> jjesse, so I see. Corey must have snuck it in.
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61104 in gcc-4.1 (main) "Busted build process with firefox trunk code. Gcc bug or mozilla's code one ?" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61104
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61105 in Ubuntu "Mouse jumps to center in (sdl?) games" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61105
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61107 in kdelibs (main) "Some stock strings are not extracted to be translated" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61107
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61106 in apport (main) "looping when it's your browser that's crashing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61106
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61108 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "GRUB's menu.lst modified in wrong way -> Error 15 File not found on next reboot" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61108
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61109 in update-manager (main) "always wants to do a dist-upgrade" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61109
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61110 in Ubuntu "libsvg and libsvg-cairo are missing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61110
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61059 in Ubuntu "I managed to perform the command: "sudo apt-get install" without being asked for a password" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61059
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61111 in sylpheed-gtk1 (universe) "[Merge]  sylpheed-gtk1 1.0.6-3ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61111
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61113 in Ubuntu "edgy does not boot" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61113
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61114 in mono (main) "mono crashes on opening tomboys properties dialog" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61114
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61115 in xchat-gnome (main) "systray background is gray" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61115
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61117 in lmms (universe) "unpack error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61117
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61116 in hal (main) "TrekStor i.Beat jump not recognized as music player" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61116
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61118 in Ubuntu "kubuntu installer should not force reformat of root partition" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61118
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61119 in pympd (universe) "Please sync pympd 0.07-1.1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61119
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61120 in glibc-doc-reference (main) "[edgy]  glibc-doc-reference is uninstallable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61120
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61121 in xen-3.0 (universe) "xen-ioemu-3.0 package lacks content" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61121
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61122 in initramfs-tools (main) ""Command failed" when running update-initramfs on Edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61122
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61124 in Ubuntu "usplash doens't have right resolution --> no artwork" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61124
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61125 in monodevelop (universe) "monodevelop crashes on startup" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61125
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61126 in usplash-theme-ubuntu (main) "fails to set the alternative to replace the testcard" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61126
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61127 in Ubuntu "ubuntu cant be installed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61127
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61128 in gaby (universe) "New Database druid dialog layout appaling" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61128
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61131 in inkscape (main) "LaTeX formula "effect" doesn't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61131
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61132 in lirc (main) "lirc configuration not loaded after a reboot" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61132
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61133 in xorg (main) "Lack of attendance of graphic card 3Dfx voodoo in Edgy Eft." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61133
[09:50] <micahcowan> rejected 61127. Attempt to install with / = 2.77gb.
[09:54] <gnomefreak> micahcowan: give a reason ;)
[09:54] <gnomefreak> im fairly sure ubuntu install is 2.8 gig
[09:54] <micahcowan> gnomefreak, ? You mean, "according to release notes, min 3 gb hd space required"?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:55] <gnomefreak> something like that
[09:55] <micahcowan> here, or in bug? Bug already has that.
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61134 in gnome-app-install (main) "Prints warnings during installation without an X display" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61134
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61135 in evince (main) "links do not work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61135
[10:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61136 in bibledit (universe) "Bibledit segfaults" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61136
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61137 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Xserver freezes when running glxgears" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61137
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61138 in vdr (universe) "Cannot install vdr-dev" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61138
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61139 in vdr (universe) "vdr can not be built on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61139
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61140 in Ubuntu "edgy knot-3 ignores keymap setting from boot" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61140
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61141 in Ubuntu "kppp-options is not modificable with root privileges" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61141
[10:46] <dholbach> good night everybody
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61142 in gnome-pilot (main) "Sycronisation fails half way through" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61142
[10:51] <carthik> good night dholbach
[10:51] <dholbach> night carthik
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61144 in vino (main) "edgy: remote desktop server fails to find font." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61144
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61145 in update-notifier (main) "Transparency problem with the system tray icon" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61145
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61147 in Ubuntu "edgy: totem can no longer stream from samba share" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61147
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61146 in klamav (universe) "[sync]  Please review the sync of Klamav from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61146
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61151 in system-config-cluster (main) ""separated" spelt incorrectly" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61151
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61148 in gnome-power-manager (main) "edgy: Notification showing in the wrong place" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61148
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61150 in Ubuntu "Allow recursive permissions for a folder from GUI" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61150
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61152 in linuxtv-dvb-apps (universe) "[sync]  Please review the sync of dvb-utils from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61152
[11:17] <ajmitch> bug 61150 was reported on nautilus long ago, I'm sure
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61150 in Ubuntu "Allow recursive permissions for a folder from GUI" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61150
[11:19] <ajmitch> aha, 24460
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61154 in sbackup (universe) "Frequency settings not saved" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61154
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61155 in kdepim (main) "kmail disconnected imap should be disable" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61155
[11:25] <ajmitch> the bugs keep flooding in
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61158 in Ubuntu "edgy: translation error in dutch" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61158
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61157 in gaim (main) ""separated" spelt incorrectly in usage string" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61157
[11:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61156 in awstats (main) "apt-get couldn't authentificate awstats" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61156
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61159 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice Writer with bullets and numbering; doesn't focus window" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61159
[11:38] <micahcowan> Couldn't confirm 61156. This would most likely be that the user just needed to apt-get update, right?
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61160 in totem (main) "totem cannot be build (xpidl compiler not found)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61160
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61161 in evince (main) "Evince takes a long time to render pages in PDF documents" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61161
[11:50] <micahcowan> word.
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61162 in Ubuntu "An extra Gparted window appears after disks partition starts." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61162
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61163 in libgphoto2 (main) "Mistakes in libgphoto2 strings" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61163
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61164 in firefox-themes-ubuntu (main) "Preferences icons are unintelligible" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61164
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61165 in openoffice.org (main) ""Alignment" obscured in context menu" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61165


[01:09] <qwebirc99967> I have Mythbuntu 14.04.2 with Mythtv 0.27.0. I can't get it to update to 0.27.4 for the Schedules Direct fixes. I've tried toggling repositories in MCC, but it doesn't change anything.


[07:50] <Paddy_EIRE> could someone help me create a .deb out of this package http://qflash.sourceforge.net/webpage/


[16:12] <professor-mad> hello i have a questions
[16:13] <tomreyn> hello i might have answer, or pretend to have one.
[16:13] <tomreyn> !ask
[16:14] <professor-mad> i notice my system doesnt use swap file at all it only use to much ram it is possible to combine swap and ram together to make the system faster
[16:15] <professor-mad> here i show
[16:15] <professor-mad> https://pasteboard.co/JhDlHBi.png
[16:19] <tomreyn> professor-mad: how much physical ram is installed?
[16:19] <diogenes_> professor-mad, the second your system is going to use swap, it will become very laggy.
[16:20] <diogenes_> so if you have enough RAM, don't even enable swap.
[16:20] <professor-mad> tomreyn, 6GB
[16:20] <tomreyn> and    cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness    is?
[16:21] <professor-mad> diogenes_, so do you mean swap lag the system
[16:21] <professor-mad> ?
[16:21] <diogenes_> professor-mad, exactly.
[16:21] <tomreyn> not having swap, but swapping ram out to the disk will makes things feel slower most of the time
[16:22] <professor-mad> tomreyn, what is that file for?
[16:22] <tomreyn> professor-mad: that's not actually a file, but the currently running kernels' configuration for how happily it will swap out data to disk.
[16:22] <diogenes_> professor-mad, swap is ""useful"" only if you have 2GB of RAM.
[16:22] <professor-mad> so my system is good like that?
[16:23] <professor-mad> i always thought that swap file can make the system faster
[16:23] <professor-mad> that is not true
[16:23] <professor-mad> ?
[16:23] <tomreyn> i'm surprised oyu have 0 KB swapped out, but it shouldn't be more than 1 MB or so in this situation.
[16:23] <tomreyn> with default swappiness, that is.
[16:24] <tomreyn> and i think you're fine there.
[16:24] <professor-mad> so i was all wrong
[16:25] <professor-mad> or maybe swap become obsolete
[16:25] <professor-mad> now a days
[16:25] <professor-mad> right
[16:25] <professor-mad> ?
[16:28] <tomreyn> professor-mad: it's only really needed if you're generally too short of ram, or want to suspend-to-disk (hibernate)
[16:29] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok but if i have enough ram i have to make that partition how ever
[16:29] <professor-mad> ?
[16:29] <tomreyn> personally, on a desktop, i prefer the OOM killer kicking and terminate running software one by one rather than me running into a swapping situation.
[16:30] <tomreyn> professor-mad: no, and current desktop installers dont create it anymore
[16:30] <tomreyn> there's a swap file nowadays, a file located on the / file system
[16:31] <professor-mad> tomreyn, what is OOM?
[16:32] <professor-mad> i dont know what you mean with killer kicking
[16:32] <professor-mad> ?
[16:32] <tomreyn> "out of memory"
[16:33] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok i got you
[16:33] <professor-mad> one more thing
[16:33] <tomreyn> the kernel will kill some processes to regain some memory when all available memory is taken (and there's no swap or this has run full as well), that's called the 'OOM killer'
[16:34] <professor-mad> i install xubuntu with uefi mode + GPT after the installation is complete what should i do next to make the system good?
[16:34] <tomreyn> that depends on what you think makes a system good
[16:35] <tomreyn> most people would probably install their favourite software
[16:35] <professor-mad> tomreyn, i mean there is nothing additional to install after full upgrade
[16:35] <professor-mad> ?
[16:36] <professor-mad> after a fresh install in eufi mode
[16:36] <tomreyn> why would there be?
[16:38] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok tom look why i ask that questions and why i change to uefi mode
[16:39] <professor-mad> i gonna upload an image
[16:39] <professor-mad> of the issue
[16:39] <professor-mad> https://pasteboard.co/JhDwnfb.png
[16:39] <professor-mad> there said those cant be done in legacy mode
[16:39] <tomreyn> uefi is just a different boot mode than legacy bios, it doesn't have any relevant impact on which applications you can run.
[16:40] <professor-mad> so i made i uefi mode installation to make those
[16:40] <professor-mad> but even in eufi mode it cant be done
[16:40] <tomreyn> okay, this can be a notable exception to the abve
[16:41] <tomreyn> unfortunately only a couple vendors cooperate with this firmware upgrade framework so far
[16:42] <tomreyn> https://fwupd.org/lvfs/docs/users
[16:42] <tomreyn> rather this link https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/
[16:44] <professor-mad> tomreyn, when i try to do that framework i get an error that my laptop doesnt support that firmware
[16:44] <professor-mad> so im stock in that
[16:45] <tomreyn> so?
[16:46] <professor-mad> tomreyn, so i guess because of that firmware is why i get some mce pcieport error
[16:46] <tomreyn> i guess if your goal is to carry out a mainboard firmware upgrade, then, unless your mainboard vendor supports fwupd/lvfs, which does not seem to be the case based on what you're saying, it means you 'll need to do it using whichever other method they provide
[16:46] <professor-mad> let me show you
[16:46] <tomreyn> !xy
[16:46] <tomreyn> ^ this just happened
[16:47] <tomreyn> please state the X direclty in the  future
[16:47] <professor-mad> tomreyn, look here
[16:47] <professor-mad> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dnr5FM96Bz/
[16:49] <tomreyn> memory banks 6 and 7 are supposedly causing problems. but this can be unreliable. you'll need to cross test ram if you want a chance to get rid of those errors
[16:51] <professor-mad> tomreyn, so that have nothing to do with the framework
[16:51] <professor-mad> ?
[16:52] <tomreyn> it's hard to tell really, this coiuld just as well be a cpu, microcode, mainboard firmware related problem
[16:52] <tomreyn> context may help making a better bet, but you have not provided any
[16:53] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok excuse me i new in linux i just know the basics
[16:53] <professor-mad> what you need
[16:54] <professor-mad> what info do you need
[16:55] <tomreyn> professor-mad: can you post a full journal?   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:55] <tomreyn> professor-mad: and
[16:56] <professor-mad> here the journalctl
[16:56] <professor-mad> https://termbin.com/8lg3
[16:58] <tomreyn> professor-mad: please ignore 'and' above. let's see the output of this as well (can take some minutes to gather all the logs):      journalctl | grep 'Hardware Error' > /tmp/hwerr.log; cat /tmp/hwerr.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:01] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok here your output
[17:01] <professor-mad> https://termbin.com/jc20
[17:03] <tomreyn> so you're two bios upgrades behind, possibly exposing the system to those (not only but primarily) intel cpu related vulnerabilities.
[17:03] <tomreyn> their changelogs don'T cite anything else, though
[17:04] <tomreyn> hmm looks like you've had those mce errors going for a while then
[17:04] <tomreyn> is jun 27 when you installed this system?
[17:06] <tomreyn> There's a chance that the updated microcode in combination with a non-upgraded bios causes these HW error reports, so doing the BIOS upgrade could surely help.
[17:06] <tomreyn> professor-mad: ^
[17:17] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok i back
[17:17] <professor-mad> tomreyn, yes i have those mce error since i installed the system
[17:17] <professor-mad> and the cpu vulnerabilities
[17:18] <professor-mad> tomreyn, i have to reinstall the system in orden to upgrade the bios
[17:18] <professor-mad> ??
[17:20] <tomreyn> professor-mad: probably not, no
[17:22] <tomreyn> professor-mad: from what i read, there are two options: upgrade from a running windows installation (which could require reinstalling ubuntu), and from a running dos system (which, unlike a full windows installation, can also be booted from a usb key or other external storage media)
[17:24] <tomreyn> most likely they'll provide instructions on how to create such a DOS bootable usb stick and carry out the bios upgrade from there
[17:34] <professor-mad> tomreyn, ok but what about the cpu vulnerabilities
[17:34] <professor-mad> ?
[17:34] <professor-mad> how can be solve
[17:34] <professor-mad> ?
[20:41] <Seburo> Hi.  Quick question.  Having accidently removed it, what is the <...> icon for in the right hand side of the top panel?
[20:44] <Seburo> (Seen in Xubuntu 20.04)
[21:07] <Seburo> Hi.  What is the <...> icon for in the Xubuntu top panel.  (I accidently removed it.)
[21:08] <brainwash> Seburo: nm-applet (network manager)
[21:09] <Seburo> Hi brainwash.  Thanks.  How could I put it back?
[21:09] <brainwash> it appears in the status-notifier panel plugin, so maybe you removed that one?
[21:10] <brainwash> it can fall back to "notification area"
[21:10] <Seburo> hmmm... I put status-notifier, but I just get the up/down network arrows.
[21:11] <Seburo> How do I link it to "notification area"?
[21:11] <brainwash> uhm
[21:11] <brainwash> did you change the icon theme?
[21:11] <Seburo> No, standard defaults
[21:12] <brainwash> panel size?
[21:12] <Seburo> Standard default, not changed.
[21:12] <brainwash> no idea then
[21:14] <brainwash> nm-applet will prefer status-notifier over classic tray (notification area in panel)
[21:16] <Seburo> Okay.  Thank you for your time.
[21:19] <Seburo> I think I have found the nm-applet option...
[21:22] <Seburo> Going to try a restart, but thank you for your time
[22:57] <hayjumper> \quit