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 wxl: re xscreensaver. Which one should be default?
[06:40] <guiver_d> fyi: I've received notification from 'upstream' screenfetch should correctly detect Lubuntu as LXQt & LXDE  (I haven't looked at code; notification from github upstream report re: lp 1798364)
 @tsimonq2 can you give me instructions on how to pick the latest git for globalkeys. I would like to close the shortcuts task asap.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@tsimonq2 can you give me instructions on how to pick the latest git for globalk …], So the version number will be CURRENT_VERSION+gitYYYYMMDD where YYYYMMDD is the date of the last commit to master
 Create a new changelog entry with that and -0ubuntu1
 Then git clone the upstream tip of master, rm -rf .git/, and tar that up into an orig file that debuild will accept
 Noted. I will do this after dinner. Will ping you.
 Thank you
 FYI, nvidia users with the 418 driver in disco will probably get a broken upgrade to eoan at the moment
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-9/+bug/1830961
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot this page needs updating. the link http://mirror.url.com/ubuntu/ should be changed. whom do I tell this?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot this page needs updating. the link …], Why should that be changed?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot this page needs updating. the link …], ... changed to what?
 "Note: You must change the above mirror.url.com with the URL of a valid archive mirror local to you. "
 Seems to me it is intended to be generic
 no, that's intended for the user to update it
 it'd be the same as if we said to use archive.ubuntu.com or ubuntu.iaminsane.net
 @teward001 [no, that's intended for the user to update it], hence generic
 doesn't mean it needs *changed*
 it's meant to be generic, yes.
 that's why it says to change it
 E:NOACTIONREQUIRED
 @teward001 [it'd be the same as if we said to use archive.ubuntu.com or ubuntu.iaminsane.net], Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if you actually had iaminsane.net :P
 i don't though lol
 The debootstrap chroot page has a different link. This link didn't work for me.
 @teward001 [E:NOACTIONREQUIRED], That is what I was saying
 @teward001 [i don't though lol], How much is it?
 @RikMills ["Note: You must change the above mirror.url.com with the URL of a valid archive …], Ohh. I didn't know that. My bad
 Ah. Now when rereading, I see that note there.
 *facepalms*
 *hands @The_LoudSpeaker the fail sauce today*
[21:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: tweak minimum requirements] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#2468
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 @tsimonq2 wxl @The_LoudSpeaker compiled an tested this redshift-qt is packaging material.


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[10:25] <Duality> hey all
[10:26] <Duality> I just rebooted my machine running Kubuntu but something odd has happend
[10:26] <Duality> I can log in but the UI doesn't seem to start but Other applications do start like firefox dolpin or when I hit ctrl alt T the terminal
[10:26] <Duality> but no start menu and task bar
[10:27] <Duality> and the background is black no background image anymore
[10:28] <Duality> can someone help me figure this one out? I tried looking through journalctl but I couldn't find anything but maybe I just don't what process to look for
[10:29] <Duality> like moste things seem to work fine just not the kde plasma ui
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Do u have ubinstalled the dektop Environment? (re @IrcsomeBot: <Duality> like moste things seem to work fine just not the kde plasma ui)
 How to creak bootable pendrive from kubuntu
[15:10] <arezg> hello
[16:03] <Guest13> hello everyone
[16:04] <Guest13> I can't seem to find a fix for the kde su bug
[16:07] <enigma9o7[m]> that's gotta suck
[16:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Do you have link to the bug report?
[16:10] <Guest13> Not to worry, I found a workwaround
[16:10] <Guest13> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011624
[16:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Ah great.  I was worried, but now relieved.
[16:36] <nahash> anybody alive?
[16:37] <enigma9o7[m]> Pretty sure most.  Although I guess somebody could have left irc in a remote terminal and died, and is still here.
[16:38] <nahash> oh, that's a relief
 Hi
 Is there a waybto copy faster?
[19:22] <cbreak> Oov: maybe
[19:22] <cbreak> depending on the situation, rsync can be faster (or much slower).
 What is ultracopier
 updates servers turned off in 21.10 ?
[19:35] <oerheks> looking at their homepage, paid stuff gets all features.. https://ultracopier.herman-brule.com/
 Nothing for linux
[19:42] <cbreak> berkan_48: 21.10 is dead
[19:42] <cbreak> you should update to 22.04 asap
[19:43] <valorie> !eol
 Hey guys. I am running Ubuntu server and want to move it to a different location other than my house. Will it automatically connect to internet when Ethernet it plugged in or will i need to manually configure it?
[20:54] <mmikowski> @Huck_20, depends on how your IP is set up.
 I dont know very much about networking so when i installed the ubuntu server it recognized my connect during setup and i didnt have to do any networking so im guessing my ip is set to what ever the default set up was during installation (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> @Huck_20, depends on how your IP is set up.)
[20:56] <mmikowski> If your server is using DHCP and then your router is reserving your IP address, then the answer is Yes with the caveat that the IP will change when you move the server. You would need to assign the same IP using the DHCP router at the other site to keep the same IP.
[20:57] <mmikowski> Probably DHCP which normally assigns a "random" IP address to a device. However, if the router reserves an IP for a device, this results in the IP always being the same.
[20:59] <mmikowski> The constant IP address is what makes the server usable reliably between reboots so you can do things like use NFS or SAMBA, etc.
 okay. I think i understand. thank you
[21:02] <mmikowski> You're welcome. Good luck!
 is there a very good place that I can go like youtube were they can dumb networking down for me so i can learn how to do it from the command line. I am use to doing it from a gui
[21:05] <mmikowski> I'd look at ubuntu docs. Also nmcli.  Search for ubuntu server remote network management or similar.
 okay thanks again!! (re @IrcsomeBot: <mmikowski> I'd look at ubuntu docs. Also nmcli.  Search for ubuntu server remote network management or similar.)
[21:11] <mmikowski> Again, good luck.


[00:08] <doko> jtaylor, any idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-scipy/0.16.1-1build2/+build/8871562 ?
[01:06]  * mwhudson sighs
[01:06] <mwhudson> INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (libgolang-github-pborman-uuid1-dbgsym) ...
[01:06] <mwhudson> ^ what does this mean?
[01:07] <mwhudson> oh wait, this is what doko was complaining about
[01:10] <doko> mwhudson, please wait until pkgbinarymangler is published, then cancel and give back the builds
[01:10] <mwhudson> doko: this is local, but ok
[01:11] <mwhudson> ah seems it is published
[01:11] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1535949
[01:11] <mwhudson> distro development feels like juggling a sack of cats sometimes
[01:12] <sarnold> hehe
[01:15] <mwhudson> doko: new pkgbinarymangler seems to fix it indeed, thanks
[01:22] <doko> ahh, no, this looks worse, packages can not be uploaded
[01:23] <doko> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1535949
[01:38] <mwhudson> waaiittt a minute
[01:38] <mwhudson> does sbuild not override PATH?
[01:50] <doko> pitti, slangasek: 1535949 still needs to get resolved. however I'm afk now. cancelled all looping builds
[02:00] <doko> cancelled all affected builds. please give all cancelled builds back once the issue is fixed
[02:05] <mapreri> I just got a reject from a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for an upload I did to debian and got synced:
[02:05] <mapreri> sigil-dbgsym_0.9.2+dfsg+dfsg-2_powerpc.deb: control file lists name as 'sigil-dbgsym', which isn't in changes file.
[02:06] <mapreri> uh, just had the same failure for ppc64el and armhf now
[02:06] <sarnold> mapreri: I think you get to ignore that https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1535949
[02:06] <mapreri> oh, I received that mail too, but didn't read it (subscribed to dh bugs through debian's pts
[02:09] <mapreri> ok, thank you.  guess somebody else will take care of fixing dh and retry all the affected uploads (or the build)
[06:26] <pitti> Good monring
[06:28] <pitti> doko: we still have the previous patch to disable dbgsyms, and I didn't notice any in my local sbuild, but I'll look; argh
[06:39] <pitti> slangasek: FYI, I figured out the "apt pinning compatible apt-get source" to also work for linux now, so audit and friends went in
[06:42] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:06] <pitti> doko: fixed debhelper uploaded
[08:02] <pitti> doko: and all 70 "failed to upload" builds retried
[08:23] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, <3
[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW while I'm highlighting you, you retried libquazip test against marble-proposed, but it didn't start for s390x
[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg> so the migration is still stuck I think
[08:27] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: yep, it's on my radar; s390x has some trouble ATM, I'm working on a fix to at least see the error message, and will then do a mass-retry
[08:31] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, double thanks
[08:35] <cpaelzer> pitti: LocutusOfBorg: all of what I saw so far with s390x was packaging and stuff which you guys are way++ more experienced - but if it every seems to come down to s390 instructions or other real close-to-HW issues let me know
[08:36] <cpaelzer> same is true if the dasd/eckd disk design ever troubles you
[08:36] <ginggs> morning all! There are now only a handful of ubuntu-specific packages still using python-support LP: #1535318 . Most of them haven't been touched in several years.  Do we want to fix them or remove them?  pitti: system-config-date has your name on it :)
[08:37] <pitti> ginggs: indeed Debian dropped pysupport recently, so we absolutely shoudl fix it
[08:37] <pitti> ginggs: having a tracking bug for the remaining Ubuntu ones would be really useful indeed
[08:37] <pitti> ah, that :)
[08:37] <pitti> quite a few more than I expected
[08:37] <pitti> but I think a lot of them should be in Debian too, and thus either be merges or removals
[08:38] <pitti> Depends: python, python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-gtk2, python-gnome2, gksu
[08:38] <pitti> ginggs: that really smells like a remova ;)
[08:38] <ginggs> pitti: no, only the ones I have linked to debian bugs are in debian
[08:45] <pitti> ginggs: e. g. python-cogent is only blocked on the arm64 FTBFS (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cogent/1.5.3-10/+build/8774183) which is again blocked on some blast FTBFS
[08:45] <pitti> tricky
[08:46] <ginggs> yeah, ncbi-tools6, arm64 built fine in Debian
[08:47] <ginggs> but in ubuntu we get a gcc internal compiler error
[08:48] <ginggs> is removing the old arm64 binaries for ncbi-tools6 and python-cogent an option?
[08:49] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri, ^^^^
[08:51] <pitti> ginggs: it has a bunch of reverse dependencies, so we need to find out which and remove them all
[09:18] <ginggs> pitti: yeah, i do see them with 'reverse-depends'.  do we have an equivalent for 'dak rm' in ubuntu?
[09:18] <pitti> ginggs: if that auto-removes reverse depends, then no
[09:19] <ginggs> it can tell you what will be removed
[09:20] <pitti> stgraber: can I override /usr/share/lxc/config/ubuntu.common.conf in /etc/ somewhere?
[09:21] <pitti> stgraber: I edit it on the LXC autopkgtest instances, but every dist-upgrade that includes lxc resets it
[09:29] <pitti> stgraber: oh, I suppose I could at least use /usr/share/lxc/config/common.conf.d/README
[09:29] <pitti> well, without the README obviously
[10:32] <alkisg> mitya57: hi, have you ever considered making an ubuntu flavor with gnome-flashback as the default session? I think edubuntu will have its last release ever in 16.04, so an ubuntu-flashback flavor would fill a big gap there...
[10:38] <highvoltage> alkisg: out of curiousity, what would suck a flavour use for file browser, viewing images, login manager, etc?
[10:38] <highvoltage> *such
[10:39] <alkisg> highvoltage: the gap I'm thinking is "as much close to ubuntu as possible, but for clients without 3d/compositing abilities"
[10:39] <alkisg> So I would like it if it used whatever ubuntu uses (which afaik gnome-flashback already does)
[10:41] <highvoltage> wouldn't ubuntu-mate fit that use case well?
[10:42] <Laney> doko: file conflict in libxapian-1.3-5 update
[10:42] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate is basically an older gnome which is now maintained by a few students, I'm not sure it's a better choice than upstream gnome + ubuntu + a thin layer (=flashback, menus etc)
[10:43] <Laney> doko: bug #1536093
[10:43] <highvoltage> alkisg: gnome-flashback is also not upstream gnome (despite the name)
[10:44] <alkisg> highvoltage: yes, but it's a thin layer, it is something maintainable by a couple of devs, unlike ubuntu-mate which as years go by and gnome2 gets extremely out of date, will require many more devs...
[11:47] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: what particular line are you highlighting to me?
[11:54] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri,
[11:54] <LocutusOfBorg> [09:36:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1535318 in system-config-date (Ubuntu) "deprecation of python-support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535318
[11:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I know you like to kill python-support with fire, don't you? :P
[12:06] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: packages in ubuntu-only are so outdated and without love in every possible way...  (looking at the dh_python2 transition tracker in ubuntu)
[12:07] <mapreri> I think for now I'll not be involved in getting rid of pysupport from ubuntu
[12:10] <mapreri> ... and then you notice packages with Maintainer: a DD in a ubuntu-only package, and wonder how that can happen :|
[12:11] <rbasak> There are plenty of packages in Debian that are rotting too.
[12:11] <rbasak> Popular packages end up in sync.
[12:46] <stgraber> pitti: right, common.conf.d is most likely the way to go for you
[12:49] <pitti> stgraber: still seems strange to put them into /usr, but I can work with that; certainly much better than changing the deb-shipped file :)
[13:42] <tjaalton> are upgrades from lts + lts-backport-stack supported to next lts only?
[13:44] <rbasak> tjaalton: if you're not aware of the page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack might have an answer.
[13:45] <tjaalton> I am aware, and point 12. mentions something about "issues", but no clear wording about "don't do that"
[13:47] <tjaalton> someone upgraded from 14.04.3 to vivid and things broke, no surprises there
[13:47] <rbasak> AH
[13:47] <rbasak> Yes, I think that's a serious issue. I had a similar use case explode on me. I filed a bug about it.
[13:47]  * rbasak looks
[13:47] <tjaalton> the page probably should have a command for reverting back to stock trusty packages
[13:48] <rbasak> bug 1252843
[13:49] <rbasak> My use case was to initially install 12.04.(something), and then eventually decide to roll up to 13.10 or something because I needed some newer package. And the install exploded.
[13:49] <rbasak> s/install/upgrade/
[13:50] <tjaalton> looks like it's still an issue
[14:35] <xnox> doko, btrfs-tools has ice on arm64 in ubuntu =( https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234669123/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-arm64.btrfs-tools_4.4-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:35] <xnox> doko, the build-log looks like it has a clean gcc dump too.
[14:35] <doko> looking
[14:49] <doko> xnox, work around is to build with -O2 instead of -Os
[14:54] <xnox> doko, =(
[14:54] <xnox> doko, is it a known bug?
[15:01] <slangasek> pitti: nice!
[15:10] <doko> xnox, https://bugs.linaro.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2001
[15:14] <doko> barry, tumbleweed, jtaylor: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.5-only.html   a few packages left
[15:16] <xnox> doko, tah.
[15:17] <ginggs_> doko, pitti: looks like that arm64 bug is the same in ncbi-tools6? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ncbi-tools6/6.1.20120620-10  "pseed3.c: In function 'seedEngineCore':
[15:17] <ginggs_> pseed3.c:631:1: error: could not split insn"
[15:17] <jtaylor> doko: scipy will get a new upstream soon, I may check the failure then
[15:17] <jtaylor> doko: though I'll be only partially available in the next 10 days, so if someone else wants to fix it go ahead
[15:18] <barry> doko: cool.  we're still sprinting for the next 2 days
[15:26] <sergiusens> hi there pitti, I'm trying to use adt with lxd and getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/14582679/ is there anything obvious I'm missing?
[15:27] <pitti> sergiusens: nothign obvious, I think
[15:27] <pitti> sergiusens: if you do "lxc launch images:ubuntu/xenial/amd64 x1", wait a bit (boot should take < 5 s), and "lxc exec x1 bash"
[15:27] <pitti> sergiusens: I suppose it fails to boot, can you check journalctl?
[15:28] <jtaylor> is there a docker update planned for xenial? given the issues we have in trusty and the next version 1.10 will have large changes in its internal layout I think it would be best to have it as new as possible (or not at all)
[15:28] <sergiusens> pitti, launching works just fine
[15:28] <sergiusens> I've been using lxd for a bit now for playing with random things
[15:29] <sergiusens> and to confirm, lxc exec for bash worked just fine
[15:31] <pitti> sergiusens: and "runlevel" says something like "5 N"?
[15:32] <sergiusens> pitti, ah, it indeed says unknown
[15:32] <pitti> sergiusens: so something went wrong with booting the container
[15:33] <pitti> sergiusens: checkig "runlevel" is the least common denominator that I found for handling arbitary testbeds
[15:33] <sergiusens> pitti, there are a couple of failing services
[15:33] <pitti> sergiusens: what does "systemctl status" say? degraded, or still booting?
[15:34] <sergiusens> pitti, 'starting'
[15:34] <sergiusens> pitti, 3 units failed, which is the amount of failures I saw when running systemctl
[15:35] <sergiusens> if it is of any worth http://paste.ubuntu.com/14582730/
[15:36] <pitti> sergiusens: yeah, I get that too, that's just unpriv container limitations
[15:37] <pitti> sergiusens: so for me I get "State: degraded" (which is "booted, but some failed units"), and runlevel "N 5"
[15:37] <pitti> and the same three failed units
[15:37] <pitti> sergiusens: can you pastebin "journalctl"?
[15:38] <sergiusens> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14582749/
[15:39] <sergiusens> pitti, oh, now I recall bridging the containers to my network card, not sure it should affect booting, but it will affect adt :-)
[15:43] <pitti> sergiusens: it doesn't care much about networking as long as your tests don't; but of course that will blow up if you run --apt-upgrade or install test deps
[15:44] <sergiusens> pitti, yeah, I will certainly hit that
[15:44] <pitti> networking.service: Start operation timed out. Terminating.
[15:44] <pitti> Failed to start Raise network interfaces.
[15:44] <pitti> sergiusens: so, that
[15:44] <pitti> sergiusens: and previously the unit was still starting, until it hit the timeout
[15:44] <pitti> so it didn't yet appear in --failed
[15:46] <sergiusens> pitti, great, I'll look into this later, thanks for all the pointers!
[15:52] <Laney> doko: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234703765/xapian1.3-core_1.3.4-0ubuntu3_1.3.4-0ubuntu4.diff.gz should be libxapian-1.3-4
[15:53] <doko> ohh crap
[17:41] <RAOF> cjwatson: I seem to recall at some point you making the buildd chroot tarballs available over lpapi. Is that me confabulating, or is this possible? (This is cf: jenkaaaaaaas).
[17:46] <pitti> RAOF: serach for "chroot_url" on https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html
[17:46] <RAOF> pitti: Maha! Thanks!
[17:46] <RAOF> Also, thanks for the apidoc link :)
[17:47] <pitti> "http://launchpadlibrarian.net/222053869/chroot-ubuntu-xenial-amd64.tar.bz2"
[17:47] <pitti> $ wget -q -O- https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/chroot_url
[17:47] <pitti> RAOF: ^ imagine these two lines swapped around :)
[17:47] <pitti> RAOF: (-: ɐᴉlɐɹʇsn∀ ɹoɟ ɹǝpɹo ʇɥƃᴉɹ ǝɥʇ uᴉ ǝɹɐ ʎǝɥʇ 'ʎllɐnʇɔɐ
[17:47] <RAOF> :)
[17:50] <sergiusens> xnox, hey, btw, when should my upload rights become effective?
[17:53] <RAOF> Well, that's sad. I don't think I can slurp a vivid-overlay chroot out of that :)
[17:54] <xnox> sergiusens, i dunno =) i don't think i've acted upon doing so, yet.
[17:54] <cjwatson> RAOF: That's just the same as the vivid chroot.
[17:55] <xnox> sergiusens, i will not get around to do it today, sorry. added a todo for tomorrow.
[17:56] <RAOF> cjwatson: ...of course it is. HAH!
[17:56] <sergiusens> xnox, ah, I was just wondering what the time lines were; no worries
[17:56]  * RAOF knew that. Or would have, had he thought about it for any extended period of time.
[17:56] <Laney> xnox: you can't do PPU anyway, need to ask TB person for that
[17:56] <xnox> Laney, right that's i thought.
[17:57] <xnox> and all of them expired, unless stgraber was back-doored in
[17:57] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members lies
[17:58] <stgraber> TB terms have been extended a bit so we have time to deal with elections
[18:02] <caribou> xnox: while you're at it, might think of changing my access as well :-)
[18:02] <caribou> or whoever can
[22:33] <mightyiam> Yo, I'm on 16.04 and some package doesn't upgrade
[22:33] <mightyiam> python3-xapian1.3 is partially installed
[22:34] <mightyiam> Some dependency issue
[22:35] <mightyiam> http://i.imgur.com/ONip6pN.png
[22:37] <mightyiam> But libxapian-1.3-5 is marked for installation
[22:39] <sarnold> mightyiam: file a bug against the xapian1.3-core source package with ubuntu-bug xapian1.3-core -- include the copy-and-paste output inlcyuding the file-overwrite attempt and the killed paste command


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <ajmitch> highvoltage: not sure if you're alive yet, but I've uploaded unity-lens-askubuntu to the staging ppa & am looking at why the patch isn't working for harmonyseq in precise now
[10:30] <ajmitch> yay, dh-autoreconf magic worked with that
[11:36] <dpm> good work ajmitch :)
[12:42] <highvoltage> ajmitch: ok great
[12:42] <highvoltage> ajmitch: (bbiab)
[13:35] <wendar> morning
[14:03] <wendar> I'm doing a quick pass through submissions, to catch any with quick responses
[14:03] <wendar> lots are coming in with PPAs, that's a good sign
[14:09] <wendar> qreator looks like it's just about ready for final review/vote
[14:13] <dholbach> dpm, ^ time to throw a party? :)
[14:13] <dpm> oh wow, wendar made my day!
[14:14]  * dpm is already preparing a new release after it first hits the software center
[14:55] <wendar> dpm: I've installed the package from your ARB PPA, I've got one hiccup (I think)
[14:55] <wendar> dpm: I expect it to do something when I click New or URL
[14:55] <wendar> dpm: maybe it's just gotten confused on one of the code paths
[14:56] <wendar> dpm: really nice clean look and feel though, and kudos to whoever did your logo
[14:57] <wendar> ah, got it, *double-click*
[14:57] <dpm> wendar, ah, weird. Let me install that version from the PPA, see if I can reproduce it. Myself, Gimp and Inkscape did the logo, thanks :)
[14:58] <dpm> wendar, ah, yeah, it's a bit of an annoyance from the Gtk.Iconview control
[14:58] <wendar> dpm: usability question rather than bug, and not a blocker to publishing
[14:58] <dpm> can't set it up to react to single ckick :/
[14:58] <dholbach> hey wendar
[14:58] <wendar> dholbach: hiya
[14:58] <dholbach> wendar, I started feeding apps into pkgme - it's been a lot of fun, but I'm not done yet
[14:59] <dholbach> I'll let you all know once I'm done
[14:59] <dpm> I agree, I'll try to ask someone more knowledgeable on Gtk, as now that someone else than only me found it annoying, I can imagine other folks will too
[14:59] <wendar> dholbach: cool, good to hear the results
[14:59] <dholbach> but I got a first fix into pkgme already - AFAICS it's quite nice to work on
[14:59] <wendar> dholbach: I've nearly got my ARB backend done
[15:00] <dholbach> wendar, wow - can you let me know if it's up somewhere for testing? :)
[15:00] <wendar> dpm: it's quite cool to watch the QR code change as you type in
[15:00] <wendar> dholbach: yup, I'll publish my branch
[15:00] <dpm> :-)
[15:06] <wendar> dpm: yours will likely be the first app to go through with the new way of publishing package meta-data, so it'll be a bit of a test
[15:07] <wendar> dpm: just keep an eye out for any trouble with icons in Software Centre after it's published
[15:07] <dpm> wendar, sure, I'm happy to help testing, and I'll try to react quickly to feedback.
[15:08] <dpm> wendar, I'm still learning what happens behind the scenes when a new app gets published. What's this new way of publishing meta-data you're mentioning?
[15:10] <wendar> dpm: in your package (and all older packages) there are some added lines in debian/control to tell Software Center the name, category, and icon for the package
[15:10] <wendar> dpm: in the new way (we just found out about at UDS), that's all handled by MyApps
[15:10] <wendar> dpm: it uses the information you submitted to MyApps
[15:10] <wendar> (which makes sense)
[15:11] <dpm> wendar, ah, gotcha, were those the lines andrewsomething added already to the control file, or did you have to modify something else?
[15:11] <wendar> dpm: so, we can simplify the packaging a bit
[15:11] <wendar> dpm: yup, I'm just removing those lines
[15:11] <dpm> ok, thanks
[15:11] <wendar> I could leave them in, they don't hurt anything, but you're a friendly face for testing the new way of doing metadata
[15:12] <wendar> I figure you'll be more tolerant if it doesn't work the first time and we have to quickly republish
[15:12] <wendar> er, "republish in a hurry"
[15:12] <dpm> absolutely, feel free to break stuff, happy to help testing the system :)
[16:03] <dpm> wendar, mterry is preparing an SRU to fix the packaging issues Quickly has got for apps in extras. Do you happen to know if the new way to add the name, category, and icon for the package has been filed as a bug in Quickly?
[16:03] <wendar> dpm: he asked me about it a few days ago
[16:03] <wendar> dpm: AFAIK, it is schedule to be fixed in this SRU
[16:04] <dpm> ah, excellent, thanks
[16:04] <wendar> dpm: I don't think a ticket has been filed
[16:06] <dpm> if it's targeted already, it's fine, no need for an extra ticket. Let me double-check with mterry on #quickly, I think you're there too
[20:06] <ajmitch> wendar: fwiw, unity-lens-askubuntu & (finally) harmonyseq are probably ready for voting & in the staging PPA, I removed the extra metadata from them as well


[09:52]  * [NikO] finish ubotu-fr localisation support
[11:51] <bazhang> hi
[11:52] <bazhang> payman,
[11:52] <payman> hi
[11:52] <payman> behnam to nisti ke baz
[11:52] <bazhang> this is the place to talk about it payman
[11:53] <payman> yes but i want to go to the ubuntu-ir
[11:53] <bazhang> payman, whoever banned you is the one you have to talk to
[11:54] <payman> this is an persian room about ubuntu
[11:54] <bazhang> payman, yes I know
[11:54] <payman> how?
[11:54] <payman> who are u:D
[11:54] <bazhang> the -ir
[11:54] <payman> :))
[11:54] <payman> :))
[11:55] <payman> yes
[11:55] <payman> where are u from?
[11:55] <bazhang> payman, you know his name?
[11:55] <payman> whose name?
[11:55] <bazhang> the person who banned you payman
[11:55] <payman> o
[11:55] <payman> no
[11:56] <payman> if i know that is it usfule?
[11:56] <payman> mabye sorena
[11:56] <bazhang> yes, because you need to talk it out with him/her
[11:57] <payman> how can we find him?
[11:57] <bazhang> payman, try to /msg them
[11:58] <bazhang> payman, ie /msg nickname 'hi'
[11:58] <payman> i use xchat gnome i cant fide them in ths msenger
[11:58] <payman> find
[11:59] <payman> i think one of them nickname is surena or sorena
[12:01] <payman> bazhang where are u from?
[12:02] <bazhang> payman, try to enter now
[12:03] <payman> ok but who are uuuuuuu?its realy importent:D
[12:03] <payman> whats your name?
[12:04] <bazhang> payman, I'm a bit busy right now; enjoy your time in #ubuntu-ir :)
[12:04] <payman> oh your name first
[12:04] <payman> plz
[12:05] <[NikO]> payman it s not an meetic channel here
[12:06] <payman> i know but i need it because i think i know him
[12:06] <|mohi> payman: you have no problem for joining #ubuntu-ir anymore
[12:06] <payman> anyway whats rwrong whit u?
[12:06] <|mohi> payman: goft alan busy hast! badan azash bepors!
[12:16] <divya123> Is this the right channel where I can ask some queries related to Ubuntu usability?
[12:17] <|mohi> divya123: /join #ubuntu
[12:17] <|mohi> :)
[12:18] <divya123> Ohh agian its not?This is the 6th message i am getting to join #ubuntu But I am unable to find such a community :(
[12:18] <divya123> I am using Pidgin for this IRC
[12:18] <|mohi> divya123: type: "/join #ubuntu"
[12:18] <|mohi> and Enter! ;)
[12:19] <jussi01> (with out the " of course
[12:19] <|mohi> os course! :D ;)
[12:19] <divya123> Okay lemme try that also.But wher will i type this and enter?
[12:19] <elkbuntu> divya123, the same place you typed the question
[12:19] <divya123> with out joining any group?
[12:20] <elkbuntu> the / turns the first word into a command, it's quite cool
[12:20] <elkbuntu> just try it and see
[12:20] <divya123> okay thnak you so much group
[12:20] <elkbuntu> no problem
[12:20] <divya123> "/join #ubuntu"
[12:21] <divya123> got it thank you again
[12:22] <payman> a
[18:52] <erUSUL> today i got this via priv msg 19:51 <Br4nd0n> Bras are made for women, but they can easily be worn by men too. They are amazing to wear, even if you are a  guy. I am a guy and wear a bra daily. It feels great. The straps, the cups, the band, everything. So many  styles, colors, and brands means bra wearing will never get old. So if you want a great experience, wear a  bra today.
[18:55] <nalioth> thanks, erUSUL
[18:55] <erUSUL> no prob


[10:49] <bluesabre> JackFrost:
[10:49] <bluesabre> catfish 1.4.7-1 uploaded by Sean Davis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>https://tracker.debian.org/catfish
[10:49] <bluesabre> mugshot 0.4.1-1 uploaded by Sean Davis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Closes: #913000, #914025) https://tracker.debian.org/mugshot


[05:20] <lilis> Hi guys, I'm trying to start a GUI application through Upstart but it has to have root privilege. How do I do that?
[05:21] <lilis> I can start it through `sudo -E` but not just `sudo` or `sudo su -c`
[05:21] <lilis> but not*
[05:21] <lilis> So I guess it needs certain environment settings but I'm not sure how to put them in Upstart
[14:52] <xnox> lilis, you most likely need to determine current active display and pass X server variables for such a display.


[00:37] <RAOF> Hm.  xutils-dev has a build-dependency on xutils-dev :)
[01:15] <bryceh> is fglrx DRI2 or just DRI1 capable?
[01:16] <bryceh> [    14.359] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] DRM interface version 1.0
[01:16] <bryceh> izzat mean dri1?
[01:18] <RAOF> I suspect that's the kernel<->userspace interface version.
[04:37] <thesheff17> I'm trying to install ubuntu w/ a ati firepro 2450.  I installed 10.04 fine but for some reason it couldn't detect all 4 monitors.  So I tried 10.10 and it just hangs after I log in.
[04:39] <thesheff17> 10.04 I did install the restricted ati drivers....still didn't see the other 2 monitors on the second connection...I wonder if the card is defective.
[04:42] <RAOF> thesheff17: Hm.  On 10.10 what happens when you log in?
[04:42] <RAOF> “hang” can mean many things :)
[04:43] <RAOF> Is this one of those eyefinity cards with 4 displayport outputs?
[04:43] <thesheff17> the background just sits there after I hit login on 10.10.
[04:44] <RAOF> Using the standard desktop session, I guess.  Can you switch to a virtual-terminal (with Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc?)
[04:44] <thesheff17> waiting about 10 min and just nothing...this also happen end when I hit try ubuntu 10.10
[04:44] <thesheff17> it looks like those are disabled....
[04:45] <Azelphur> I've been looking around trying to figure out if it's possible to have pinch zoom in Ubuntu
[04:45] <Azelphur> I see that the synaptics site says the driver should have pinch zoom support
[04:45] <Azelphur> but that's about as far as I got :p
[04:46] <RAOF> thesheff17: If they don't work, then it's likely that the kernel graphics driver has wedged.
[04:47] <RAOF> Azelphur: Possible (as of 10.10), but you'd actually need to implement it.  Many synaptics touchpads are multi-touch, but you actually need some way of informing the toolkits what those gestures mean.
[04:48] <Azelphur> RAOF, I'm up for a little code, what would I actually need to write?
[04:48] <Azelphur> does the synaptic device send some kind of event for pinch zoom
[04:48] <RAOF> No.
[04:48] <thesheff17> ok I'm actually trying windows xp right now just to make sure this card isn't defective....give me about 10 min and I will go back to ubuntu....after the ubuntu install I was able to do recovery mode and at least get a terminal...is there a specific file you want me to look at?
[04:48] <Azelphur> or would I have to read raw events from the touch pad
[04:48] <Azelphur> and figure it out
[04:48] <RAOF> thesheff17: Hm.  So that's a dual-gpu card.  The default drivers may only be able to drive one of the two gpus, but that shouldn't cause lockups.
[04:49] <RAOF> Azelphur: You'd get multiple touch events from the touchpad.  Or, rather, you'd get something - I'm not sure what - from libgrail.  #ubuntu-touch is where you'd want to go for this.
[04:49] <Azelphur> righto :)
[04:50] <thesheff17> RAOF: that is the case I think that is happening with ubuntu 10.04 because it only drives 2 of the 4 monitors.......I was trying 10.10 to see if it was any different.
[04:51] <RAOF> This is currently in a bit of flux - multitouch support is only just now being integrated into the X server - but I think the high level stuff is stable.
[04:51] <RAOF> thesheff17: I would have thought that the proprietary fglrx drivers would drive both GPUs and hence allow you to light up all four screens, but I've not tried it :)
[04:52] <thesheff17> RAOF: yea I got my work to buy this card of ebay for $175.....would love to get Ubunu working with a single card w/ four monitors.
[04:53] <RAOF> I understand that one of the newer EyeFinity cards would work out of the box with up to 6 displayport monitors, but again I haven't tried that, and it's not very helpful for you.
[04:54] <thesheff17> yea I was looking at the 6 port ati cards but they where too expensive.
[04:54] <RAOF> And you need DP monitors, too, or active DP→DVI converters, which also aren't cheap.
[04:55] <thesheff17> yea that is what is nice about this card...it came with the adapters....even though they are not DP-DVI
[05:06] <thesheff17> ok yea the video card works fine under windows xp...I can see display a different screen on each monitor....is there anything we can try to power the second dual-gpu on ubuntu 10.04?
[05:12] <RAOF> thesheff17: I'd have a look at the options to “aticonfig”.  You might need to generate a new xorg.conf, passing “--adapter=all”.
[05:14] <thesheff17> ok I'm re installing 10.04 and installing the restricted drivers...and will try that.
[05:29] <thesheff17> RAOF 10.04 loaded right away after the install...there must be something with 10.10 that is causing the hang :-/
[05:29] <RAOF> thesheff17: Yeah - there's a newer set of drivers in 10.10.  We can debug that if you like, or just try to get fglrx working with all your monitors.
[05:32] <thesheff17> RAOF: I would like to try to get the 4 monitors to work...and then I would even give 10.10 another shot. If you have the time...I just not a x.org expert.
[05:33] <RAOF> You've installed the proprietary drivers now?
[05:33] <thesheff17> yea
[05:35] <RAOF> Now I think you should try running “sudo aticonfig --initial -f --adapter=all” in a terminal.
[05:35] <thesheff17> I prob should run updates first :-/
[05:35] <RAOF> Yes, indeed ;)
[05:36] <thesheff17> I have a local mirror it will take a only a min.
[05:53] <thesheff17> RAOF: by the way thanks for helping...I couldn't find anything google for this adapter.
[05:54] <RAOF> It doesn't seem likely to be particularly common; the firegl parts appear less in the community than the commodity radeon parts.
[05:54] <thesheff17> RAOF: I ran that command then restarted X and all the displays came on...I went into the administrator of the aticonfig and placed them 2x2 and now they are freaking out.
[05:54] <RAOF> Oooh, cool!
[05:54] <RAOF> Well, partially cool :)
[05:54] <thesheff17> yea def getting somewhere
[05:55] <thesheff17> man I wish ctrl-alt-f1 still worked :-/ and why do they disable restarting x with ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:56] <RAOF> Because it was an excellent way to loose hours of patiently entered data.
[05:56] <thesheff17> lol...I guess that is true.
[05:57] <RAOF> ctrl-alt-f1 *should* work, although it might not if the hardware has been freaked out sufficiently.
[05:58] <thesheff17> ah it did once x loaded
[06:00] <thesheff17> ok I have all 4 screens working...one of the monitors doesn't have the toolbar....it looks like like each monitor is its own desktop actually.....I can't drag an app like firefox to the other monitor. Is this a setting?
[06:02] <thesheff17> lol actually I can drag firefox on the top two monitors but not the bottom two :)
[06:03] <RAOF> Ok, that's because you've got both GPUs driven, but they're starting as separate X sessions.
[06:05] <RAOF> You *should* be able to make that into a single desktop with 4 screens by setting up Xinerama correctly.  Could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and I might be able to see how that should go.
[06:05] <RAOF> Xinerama is a little bit unloved, though, so it might not work.
[06:05] <thesheff17> sure
[06:05] <thesheff17> yea they are all 22" monitors
[06:05] <thesheff17> so shouldn't be horrible.
[06:08] <thesheff17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/555666/
[06:10] <RAOF> Hm.  Just switching the “Xinerama "off"” line to “Xinerama "on"” might work.
[06:10] <thesheff17> cool..trying
[06:11] <thesheff17> is sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart still good?
[06:11] <thesheff17> it works :)
[06:12] <thesheff17> Thank you so much :)
[06:16] <thesheff17> Let me back up the this x.org and do you want to try ubuntu 10.10? it is up to you....
[06:16] <thesheff17> xorg.conf I meant.
[10:40] <ripps> *sigh* the latest -ati update in xorg-edgers is causing my X server to randomly crash when I start playing a movie.
[13:21] <evilvish> ripps: -edgers on maverick? same thing *just* happened here :)
[13:22] <ripps> evilvish: yeah, it's very random. I can watch half a dozen videos, than suddenly I'm dropped to VT
[13:23] <ripps> It must have something to do with intializing XV
[13:23] <evilvish> ripps: yup, same scenario, dropped to vt and then X restarts.. (before that update it was all fine..)
[13:26] <ripps> from what I can tell from the freedesktop cgit, a new function was added to KMS textured video to prevent memory leaks. I wonder if it's responsible
[13:36] <evilvish> only these two started the problem: xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.13.2-0ubuntu1~xup1) to 1:6.13.99+git20110110.0e432dff-0ubuntu0sarvatt~maverick
[13:36] <evilvish> xserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.13.2-0ubuntu1~xup1) to 1:6.13.99+git20110110.0e432dff-0ubuntu0sarvatt~maverick
[13:40] <ripps> Oh, according to cgit and version of -ati in xorg-edgers, we just short of a single commit that might fix it
[13:41] <evilvish> ripps: looks like a Sarvatt cherry picked a patch from upstream > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62414603/xserver-xorg-video-ati_1%3A6.13.99%2Bgit20110118.6548bb98-0ubuntu0sarvatt3~maverick_1%3A6.13.99%2Bgit20110118.6548bb98-0ubuntu0sarvatt4~maverick.diff.gz
[13:42] <evilvish> hmm, rolling back from ubuntu is easier to find the debs.. i wonder if ppa also have older debs around.. my /var/cache doesnt have it.. :(
[13:43] <ripps> Sarvatt: can you pull the latest commit from -ati upstream, I think the latest commit was meant to fix the crashing problem that was introduced in the current version on edgers
[13:45] <ripps> Can't wait until 2.6.38 gets into natty/xorg-edgers. I want to test out the new pageflipping code to see if it actually improves performance
[14:49] <evilvish> gah.. i was looking at the wrong updates! :/
[14:53] <evilvish> 0ubuntu0sarvatt~maverick was the good one..
[14:53]  * evilvish updates  to 0ubuntu0sarvatt4~maverick
[14:57] <evilvish> grr.. and we have dates to account for too in the version number! so the deb was all along in the /var!!! ;p
[15:02]  * evilvish blames synaptic for not keeping good track of history ;p
[15:12] <evilvish> gah.. SC history is worthless without version # and synpatic history does not see apt-daemon updates :/
[15:17] <Amaranth> hrm, even with X not running the i915 kernel module is responsible for 56.7 wakeups per second
[21:05] <evilvish> !away > jbs
[21:05] <ubot4> jbs, please see my private message
[23:47] <bryceh> ew @ #703553
[23:47] <bryceh> ew @ bug #703553
[23:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 703553 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "After upgrade to linux-image-2.6.35-25 graphics are broken (affects: 20) (dups: 2) (heat: 112)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703553


[01:42] <tsimpson> allquixotic: yes, it's called a recipe, see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds
[03:23] <allquixotic> Recipes are cool. Does `pbuilder` do the same exact build as the ppa system?
[04:35] <tsimpson> it should do, yes. though obviously it depends on exactly how you set up the build environment (software sources etc)
[06:21] <allquixotic> Thanks, all good...


[01:39] <gebbione> hi, anyone has a suggestion for a free TTS software with decent voices?
[03:08] <diddledan> gebbione, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2173822
[03:11] <gebbione> diddledan, interesting thanks ... for the moment i found a windows app called loquendo, it is quite great but i might try this sbreader too
[03:12] <diddledan> gebbione, specifically sbreader mentioned in that thread is claimed to support the google tts service
[05:27] <ali1234> how do i turn off the ability to type à
[05:28] <ali1234> i just want to press ` once and get `
[05:28] <ali1234> i don't even need to type à
[05:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: select a keyboard layout without "dead keys"
[05:31]  * MartijnVdS uses US International with "AltGr dead keys", so " is ", but AltGr+", e = ë
[05:40] <diddledan> ali1234, press the alt + ` + `
[05:40] <diddledan> or whichever key it is
[05:40] <diddledan> twice is the magic number though
[05:42] <diddledan> ´^`¨~
[05:43] <diddledan> that's by pressing each modifier twice instead of choosing the letter to modify
[05:43] <diddledan> so alt + \ + \ is the magic sequence for you
[06:12] <jussi> o/
[06:16] <mapps> hi guys
[06:21] <jussi> morning mapps
[06:37] <WhoWhat> @find Brazen armstrong
[06:37] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:38] <jussi> morning MooDoo
[06:42] <mapps> time for the americans e1
[06:42] <mapps> wooho
[06:59] <MangledBlue> Can anybody assist in install?? - MD5 checks out - c7f439e864d28d9e5ca2aa885c4ec4cb *ubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso  - but I cannot get it to install - please assist -
[07:00] <MooDoo> MangledBlue: What's the actual issue, is it not reading the disk?  Are you having problems with it booting?
[07:03] <mapps> ya whats happening
[07:05] <MangledBlue> I got nothing here - DL'd iso - burnt - now I cannot install no matter what I try
[07:07] <MangledBlue> any thoughts?
[07:07] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:08] <MooDoo> MangledBlue: does the disk read in another os?  when you boot the machine with the disk in the drive does it start to read it, have you set the system to boot from cdfirst?
[07:08] <MooDoo> need a bit more information here :)
[07:09] <MangledBlue> I have - I guess I get my WIN 7 DVD but it has worked in the past - should I try?
[07:09] <MangledBlue> never been a problem in the past
[07:10] <MooDoo> ok so you've used that disk before....ok yes try your win 7 dvd see if the problem is with the drive.
[07:12] <MangledBlue> right then - gonna B a sec before I come back - wait for me? - lol
[07:12] <MooDoo> We're here all day :d
[07:13] <MangledBlue> and let me just say - THANK YOU - your the 1st person in 7 "chats" that has assisted - I really do Thank You :-)
[07:13] <MooDoo> Hope we can get you sorted :D
[07:13] <MangledBlue> same mate - same
[07:14] <MangledBlue> brb
[07:22] <MangledBlue> right then -
[07:23] <MangledBlue> win 7 cd works - hummm - your Moo! - some people on other pages said !Moo and Moo! -- lol
[07:23] <MangledBlue> still there
[07:23] <MangledBlue> ?
[07:24] <MooDoo> lol yeah still here, so maybe not the drive, dirty ubuntu cd?  does it read ok from what ever desktop os you're using now?
[07:25] <MangledBlue> it seems to show DIR - I have no reason to think anything wrong of it - was/is new dvd
[07:25] <MangledBlue> shinky like mirror
[07:25] <MangledBlue> shiny - lol
[07:26] <MangledBlue> MD5 is ok
[07:26] <MooDoo> yeah that's fine, but can you read the contents of the cd physically?
[07:27] <MangledBlue> 379 files - 58 folders
[07:28] <MangledBlue> it puls up a DIR
[07:28] <MangledBlue> Read Only
[07:28] <MooDoo> great that sounds ok then, ok next step, booting the machine with the cd, what happens then, does it load the purple boot screen?  or just makes funny noises when it's trying to read the cd?
[07:28] <MangledBlue> 731 MB
[07:29] <MangledBlue>  - lol - it does not load anything - WIN7 DVD asks to boot to cd/dvd - this thing does nothing - then win 7 boots
[07:29] <MangledBlue> completely skips the norm
[07:30] <MooDoo> ok so what about the boot order of the machine, have you got cd before hdd?
[07:30] <MangledBlue> I think - CD - USB - External - HDD - 2nd HDD - something of that order - set in BIOS
[07:31] <MooDoo> should be ok, so with the win 7 dvd does that boot from the cd, just trying to think if it's disk or drive.
[07:31] <MangledBlue> I did have 2nd HDD set before HDD but I have my daughters HDD in 2nd - does not like that since it has her WIN7 on it
[07:32] <MangledBlue> I'm think'n disc b/c win7 disc boot'd
[07:32] <MangledBlue> fone
[07:32] <MangledBlue> fine
[07:33] <MooDoo> yeah sounds like it then, do you have spare cd's that you could burn, or alternatively try the disk in a friends machine after sweet talking them :)
[07:34] <MangledBlue> Ya know - did not even think of that - DUH - I have 3 computers - LOL - 2 I use and a MINER on 1 - sorry Crytocurrency guys here - 1 sec - trying the next lappy - duh - lol
[07:35] <MooDoo> lol
[07:41] <MangledBlue> yea - has to be the disc - not work in the other lappy also
[07:41] <MangledBlue> guess I have to re-burn
[07:41] <MooDoo> huzzah! o/
[07:41] <MooDoo> ish lol
[07:42] <MangledBlue> so - I'll do that and see - so thank you for the assist - be back soon
[07:42] <MangledBlue> well - I'll still be here but..... burning
[07:43] <MooDoo> :)
[07:46] <MangledBlue> burning now - left the 2nd lappy ready to get cd/dvd - boot menu - won't be long now.....
[07:47] <MangledBlue> you would think that with proper MD5 I would be ok - but - maybe I have a coruppted DL?
[07:48] <diddledan> check the md5 on the download with the one published wherever they publish it
[07:49] <MangledBlue> yep - I have a win7 property's thing that check the MD5 and SHA - etc - then looked at the PUB site for correct MD5 - - Oh 1 sec - burn done
[07:49] <MangledBlue> trying in 2nd lappy 1st
[07:50] <MangledBlue> OH SHIT
[07:50] <MangledBlue> It's working
[07:50] <MangledBlue> 1 sec
[07:50] <MangledBlue> UBUNTU
[07:50] <MangledBlue> lol
[07:50] <MangledBlue> right on man
[07:50] <MangledBlue> crazy sounding disc
[07:51] <MangledBlue> almost like some scratch - wigky wigky
[07:51] <MangledBlue> lol
[07:51] <MangledBlue> see what happens
[07:52] <MangledBlue> it's coming up
[07:52] <MangledBlue> so - can I install on one HDD and then go back and forth between HDD1 and HDD2 as I wish?
[07:53] <MangledBlue> TRY - selected - good you mate !!!!
[07:54] <MangledBlue> Oh hey - LOL Task bar on left side - just like I like it - so cool
[07:54] <MooDoo> :)
[07:55] <MangledBlue> I kow you really did not do anything but - hey -  YOU still the SHIT - lol
[07:55] <MangledBlue> I thank you very much - do you coin?
[07:57] <MooDoo> you're most welcome and no I don't, just enjoy ubuntu and know where we all are if you need assistance :D
[07:57] <MangledBlue> Yeah - I think I'm goona like this -
[07:58] <MangledBlue> Once again - thank you fine Sir - I might come find you in the future - it's all new to me - wigky wigky :-)
[07:58] <MooDoo> :)
[07:58] <MooDoo> If I'm not about, we're a large community, there'll be someone around
[07:59] <MangledBlue> you were the one and only to assit me on ANY Ubuntu page - ugh - SO much thanks - If I can ever assit you - just ask
[07:59] <MooDoo> will do no probs :)
[08:00] <MangledBlue> peace put brother :-)    FADES TO BLACK..............................
[08:00] <MangledBlue> put = out
[08:00] <MooDoo> :)
[08:02] <MooDoo> good deed done for the day - check!
[08:07] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning SuperMatt MartijnVdS
[08:08]  * MartijnVdS needs to figure out a way to tell the Ubuntu installer it's OK to install with partial locale support through debconf
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> but there doesn't seem to be an override :(
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> that would automate my VM installs to 100%, instead of 99% + ENTER
[08:17] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: why do you need to install partial locale?
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the installer isn't translated to nl_NL, but I want the installed system to be nl_NL (which works fine)
[08:21] <diddledan> oh
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> though it can be confusing, seeing Dutch messages from apt and dpkg ;)
[08:26] <SuperMatt> first day on the phones today
[08:26] <SuperMatt> wish me luck
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happy Chilli Day :-)
[08:36] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you don't need luck, you'll be fine.
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Polar Bear Day!   And Strawberry Day! :)
[10:16] <WhoWhat> @find Atwater-Rhodes
[10:17] <MangledBlue> MOOO?
[10:20] <MooDoo> hello :) welcome back
[10:24] <MangledBlue> Right then - I would like to personally thank MooDoo for assisting me in my first fresh install of ubuntu - it's like I have a new computer :-) so cool- WOOHOO !!
[10:25] <MooDoo> You're most welcome
[10:25] <MangledBlue> My NEW Frenchy friend Kartoon hooked me up and MooDoo assisted - you guys are freak'n awesome
[10:26] <MangledBlue> do I have to ask for a cloak or am I ok?
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> you're fine
[10:27] <MangledBlue> also need to read up on hiding my ip
[10:27] <MooDoo> you only get an ubuntu cloak if you're an ubuntu member, so what you have now is ok
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> most people take off their cloaks when they're in a room anyway. And aren't they a bit old-fashioned? ;)
[10:27] <MooDoo> you can ask the freenode staff for an unaffiliated cloak if you want to hide your stuff
[10:27] <MangledBlue> lol
[10:28] <MangledBlue> I did ask - but was not sure if... well - am I cloaked now? - it's all new  to me - damn 43 and still learning - lol
[10:28] <MooDoo> quit the channel then log back in a sec so I can see what it's currntly set to
[10:28] <MangledBlue> was useing DOS way before windows but I missed a LOt over then years
[10:29] <MooDoo> lol I started with dos 3.1 ;)
[10:29] <MangledBlue> so log out and come back it? or just quit the channel?
[10:29] <MooDoo> just quit the channel
[10:29] <MangledBlue> k 1 sec
[10:30] <MangledBlue> right then
[10:30] <MooDoo> you're not cloaked, watch mine
[10:30] <MooDoo> see what it said for me ?
[10:31] <MangledBlue> what am I suppose ta see?
[10:31] <MangledBlue> MooDoo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-uk []
[10:31] <MooDoo> did you see anything about moodoo leaving the channel?
[10:31] <MangledBlue> yep
[10:32] <MangledBlue> yep
[10:32] <MooDoo> watch again
[10:32] <MangledBlue> [~paulmello@unaffiliated/moodoo] has left #ubuntu-uk []
[10:32] <MooDoo> see something different now?
[10:32] <MangledBlue> am I missing something?
[10:32] <MooDoo> MangledBlue: first time i wasn't identified so it showed my IP.
[10:33] <MangledBlue> Oh- lol
[10:33] <MangledBlue> so was I cloaked?
[10:33] <MooDoo> second time i identified myself to the system so it showed my unaffialiated cloak which hides it.
[10:33] <MooDoo> no you wasn't I could see your ip.
[10:33] <MooDoo> Have you registered your nick?
[10:33] <MangledBlue> right on
[10:33] <MangledBlue> yep
[10:33] <MooDoo> have you identified yourself to chanserv?
[10:33] <MangledBlue> 1 sec
[10:34] <jussi> webchat... iirc does stange things
[10:34] <MangledBlue> like this ? msg NickServ identify <password>
[10:34] <MooDoo> yeah try it but it's /msg nickserv identify <password>
[10:34] <MooDoo> then read this - http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[10:36] <MangledBlue> yeah I know about the slash - lol
[10:36] <MooDoo> i knew that, but not everyone does lol
[10:36] <MangledBlue> msg nickserv identify aG97-3Ky69-MiCt
[10:37] <MangledBlue> damn was that live?
[10:37] <MangledBlue> grrrrrrrr
[10:37] <MangledBlue> how do i change my psw?
[10:37] <MooDoo> yes lol
[10:37] <MangledBlue> damnit
[10:37] <MooDoo> what client you using?
[10:38] <MangledBlue> internet right now
[10:38] <MooDoo> ah not sure using web clients
[10:38] <MangledBlue> just got on new os
[10:38] <MooDoo> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
[10:39] <MangledBlue> got it
[10:39] <MangledBlue> TY
[10:40] <MangledBlue> WHEW
[10:40] <MangledBlue> I am SO writing this shit down - - LOL
[10:40] <MooDoo> lol ok before someone else does it !language :p
[10:40] <MooDoo> !language
[10:40] <MooDoo> hee hee
[10:41] <MangledBlue> sorry - my bad
[10:41] <MooDoo> yeah yeah tell me to **** off ;)
[10:41] <MangledBlue> RIGHT !   LOL
[10:41] <MangledBlue> Last thing I need is to get banned from here - ugh
[10:42] <MooDoo> it'll take a bit more than that :)
[10:42] <MangledBlue> whew -
[10:42] <MangledBlue> cool
[10:42] <MangledBlue> I'm just a slightly buzz ( drunk) American - my bad guys - - - LOL
[10:43] <MooDoo> MangledBlue: you in the uk or the states at the mo?
[10:43] <MangledBlue> not much ta do on the dole
[10:44] <MangledBlue> can't get this msg thing ta work
[10:44] <MangledBlue> States
[10:44] <MangledBlue> I assume your UK? - North or South - LOL
[10:45] <MangledBlue> ?
[10:46] <MangledBlue> I guess the msg did work - just found it
[10:47] <MooDoo> yeah we're uk, just thinking you might have your own loco team nearer to you, not that i'm pushing you away
[11:18] <ali1234> why does centos rename apache to httpd?
[11:18] <ali1234> or rather why does rhel do this?
[11:20] <MooDoo> I think it's more, why did debian change to apache ;)
[11:20] <ali1234> because thats what it is called
[11:27] <bigcalm> There's more than one httpd in this world
[11:29] <MooDoo> from what I can tell, in the apache svn system, it is called httpd, rhel never changed it, I'm guessing that debian originally changed it to read what it actually is and called it apache
[12:19] <davmor2> ali1234: it seems it is called many things http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout
[12:20] <MooDoo> interesting
[12:20] <MooDoo> ahd hello davmor2
[12:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude
[12:21] <davmor2> Morning all too
[12:22] <foobarry> wow bug 861171 got fixed
[12:29] <davmor2> I see popey has been at the Topic again | Cats are Uber Awesome is the sentiment I think he was trying convey though
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: CATS: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Aybabtu.png
[13:03] <foobarry> only a cat would write that
[15:25] <MooDoo> hello SuperMatt how'd your time on the phones go?
[16:47] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: Thank Tom Bruns of "International Linux Support" for fixing our SSL cert location oddity :)
[16:47] <bigcalm> Or I could update the ticket myself to say thanks
[16:49] <daftykins> hmm, looking at wordpress themes today to get something decent for my own website
[16:49] <daftykins> seems not to be an easy task
[18:05] <mapps> er lol
[18:05] <mapps> yesterday i was messing about with my machine ..connected from work messing with scripts and iptables
[18:05] <mapps> ..locked myself out:D
[18:05] <mapps> hehe
[18:11] <daftykins> \o/
[18:13] <mapps> schoolboy error eh
[18:13] <mapps> iu was messing about blocking countries
[18:13] <mapps> and ya blocked everything lol
[18:31] <daftykins> mapps: muahaha block the world!
[18:33] <mapps> :D
[18:33] <mapps> need to examing qweb config wanted to run it on a diff port
[19:05] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: you must have got through to another department cos I don't know who that is
[19:05] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: are you smb or enterprise?
[19:05] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: went well, wasn't as scary as I thought it would be :)
[19:43] <diddledan> boh yackor shar
[19:43] <diddledan> I am very with the children
[19:43] <diddledan> is not it

[19:44] <diddledan> in other news, I'm out of pepsi
[19:51] <daftykins> suddenly your peaks and trouths make more sense
[19:51] <daftykins> troughs too
[20:01] <diddledan> lol
[20:11] <daftykins> sugardan!
[20:43] <maps|wrk> Hello
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> \o mapster
[20:47] <maps|wrk> whats up MartijnVdS
[20:53]  * MartijnVdS is playing with VMs
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> .. again
[20:53] <diddledan> anything fun?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I can click in virt-manager, and have a VM installed with only one or two keypresses (both "enter")
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: and it'll be registered with my chef server automagically
[20:55] <diddledan> yey
[20:55] <diddledan> I've not played with chef
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: so I can then drag and drop "roles" onto it, and it'll auto-configure/install a lot of packages :)
[20:56] <diddledan> nice
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> it feels so 21st century :)
[20:56] <maps|wrk> hm heard of chef but dunno what it is
[20:56] <diddledan> drag+drop?!
[20:56] <maps|wrk> what are your vms running
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Chef has a web interface :)
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: Trusty and Precise
[21:26] <shauno> I still have to figure esxi out :/  I don't even want to look at VMs anymore
[21:37] <diddledan> the annoying thing with both xenserver and vmware esxi is that they require windows management tools
[21:41] <shauno> right, that's what I need to avoid
[21:41]  * MartijnVdS uses kvm + libvirt-bin
[21:41] <diddledan> yeah libvirt is pretty good these days
[21:41] <shauno> my biggest hold-back is that I'm using premade VMs, and every attempt at converting them has been big pain
[21:42] <diddledan> running windows?
[21:43] <shauno> nah the contents are all redhat variants
[21:43] <diddledan> for some reason microsoft refuse to consider hardware change as a legitimate activity
[21:43] <diddledan> they should be easy to change then
[21:44] <diddledan> qemu-img
[21:45] <diddledan> the chances are kvm will read them as is though
[21:49] <shauno> it's not converting the disks that's the issue
[21:50] <maps|wrk> whats ms got to do with the vms and hardware change??
[21:50] <diddledan> maps|wrk: windows throws a hissy when you change the hardware. switching virualisation tech is akin to changing the hardware
[21:51] <shauno> it's just an incredibly frustrating toolchain.  from the outside it looks like a complete mess of tools that are held together by happenstance - if at all
[21:52] <shauno> I've still never managed to get bridged networking working, etc.  most the documentation is a pretty cruel joke
[21:53] <diddledan> bridged networking? what virtualisation can't do bridged networking?!
[21:54] <shauno> well, trying to create a lan that's available to the clients
[21:55] <shauno> so I have outside->vm->virtual lan->more vms
[21:56] <gebbione> hi folks is meetup.com down for you?
[21:56] <gebbione> i have seen it down all day
[21:56] <shauno> which I can do on my mac just fine.  but I can't run a lab on that.  and trying to replicate it with the linux bridge tools is basically self-harm
[21:56] <diddledan> gebbione: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/meetup.com
[21:57] <shauno> also https://twitter.com/Meetup
[21:58] <gebbione> diddledan, i use that site too, but maybe that site is not so redundant to spot the problem, i was just wandering if anyone else had seen it down throughout the day. I have seen it down since 14:00
[21:58] <gebbione> DDoS
[21:58] <gebbione> nice
[21:59] <diddledan> first post on twatface was 6 hours ago
[22:00] <diddledan> I'd like to know how you differentiate a ddos from the slashdot effect
[22:01] <gebbione> i received a meetup message at 14:43, 10 min later max it was down for me
[22:31] <maps|wrk> ]never even heard of meetup before
[22:55] <calju16> hey all


[19:39] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:37] <ajmitch> morning
[20:38] <olly> morning
[20:38] <mwhudson> morning
[20:41] <hads> morning
[20:59] <kcj> Morning.
[21:04] <Atamira> morning


[12:19] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:24] <Quintasan> \o
[15:31] <shadeslayer> whaddup Quintasan
[15:31] <Quintasan> not wasting time by doing homework and repeating hiragana :P
[15:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: And you?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: implementing tail in python
[15:34] <Quintasan> Why would you do that?\
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://gist.github.com/1612744 ( warning, ultra horrible hack between lines 12 to 15 )
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: learning more about python
[15:37] <Quintasan> Why do we get more python programmers instead of cpp?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I mostly write in cpp, but pushing myself out of my comfort zone
[15:39] <Quintasan> Use lisp then
[15:39] <Quintasan> :D
[15:39] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:00] <yofel> Quintasan: what's wrong about learning python? That has a use at least
[16:00] <yofel> I could tell you tales of learning java - that makes no sense
[16:01] <yofel> if only qtjambi was still alive
[16:01] <Quintasan> yofel: It has a use? So far most of our python stuff regularly breaks :D
[16:02] <yofel> well, I mean you ensure a job for life writing python
[16:02] <yofel> you always have something to fix
[16:04] <shadeslayer> ^^ Implying python always breaks
[16:07] <yofel> you can generally rely on that
[18:54] <yofel> do we remember who was working on oxygen-gtk3?


[00:06] <lfaraone> micahg: sure, as long as it's also in the sugar packageset.
[00:06] <micahg> lfaraone: yeah, I'm just concerned if I or someone else in my role might have to update it to work with a new Firefox
[00:07] <micahg> lfaraone: that's the beauty of packagesets, a package can be in multiple ones :)
[01:03] <BUGabundo> this big boy, is going to shave at 1am and then bed... or maybe the hospital for taking an ear off . nite
[10:06] <fta> dpm, i hit a few LP bugs with the chromium translations :P
[10:08] <RdX_> Hi all, does somebody know if there is some way to use a username-variable in a firefox pref?
[10:08] <dpm> fta, yeah, I saw the thing about comments (I didn't know that we were doing those optimizations myself), and that you broke Launchpad Translations with the disabled templates :-), anything else?
[10:10] <fta> dpm, apart from the missing formating of the translator notes, that's about it. not bad for my 1st try with translations ;)
[10:11] <dpm> fta, I think it's awesome. The templates look good apart from a few finishing touches (the comments, I guess), and you get bonus points for having hit a critical LP Translations bug ;)
[10:19] <fta> dpm, ok, re-uploaded with fake strings. i hope that will fix the bug
[10:19] <fta> dpm, btw, what should i do with es_419?
[10:22] <dpm> fta, I'd leave it for now, i.e. keep uploading it as normal, it will end up as Needs Review. I have to think what to do with it, as I'm not sure we even have such locale in LP. Let me talk to the Spanish team and the LP developers. If we decide to import it later on, it will only be a matter of manually accepting the Needs Review entry once.
[10:23] <fta> ok
[13:14] <dpm> fta, quick question on the Chromium POT templates: did you choose the names (e.g. "chromium-strings") according to the name of the original .grd files?
[13:14] <fta> dpm, yes
[13:15] <fta> dpm, foo.grd -> foo.pot, foo_lang.xtb -> foo/lang.po
[13:15] <fta> dpm, well, foo.grd -> foo/foo.pot, foo_lang.xtb -> foo/lang.po
[13:16] <dpm> fta, ok, thanks
[13:33] <fta> dpm, why?
[13:36] <dpm> fta, just wondering when this is all up and running, whether it would make sense to rename the templates in Launchpad to something simpler (e.g. chromium-strings -> cromium, generated-resources -> common). Just to make them more readable to translators. It's just a thought, and it wouldn't affect the imports or imply any changes in the script, it is only a setting in LP
[13:38] <fta> dpm, well, i have nothing against the idea, except maybe that if someone reports bugs about some strings, it maybe confusing
[13:38] <dpm> fta, yeah, just a thought for now
[13:56] <fta> jdstrand, hi, do you have a minute?
[13:56] <jdstrand> heh, that was fast
[13:56] <jdstrand> I *just* came online
[13:56] <fta> jdstrand, :) i had no idea
[13:57] <jdstrand> fta: sure thing. before we get into it. I know I've said this before, but I'll say this again-- we all very much appreciate all the work you do on chromium
[13:58] <fta> jdstrand, hmm, thanks :) and also, thank *you* for helping me get the updates into lucid (and soon maverick) ;)
[14:03] <jdstrand> sure! :)
[15:09] <fta> dpm, more than 1/3 of the strings are different between es and es_419 :P
[21:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm hoping to start getting xul2.0 in the transition PPA sometime next week with some of the rdepends  so that I can start uploading xul2.0 stuff after natty opens
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> cool, that's good
[21:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the debian maintainer just uploaded a version of conkeror with xul2 support and the fennec beta is ready so we already have 2 apps :)
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> cool!
[22:04] <fta> i don't like the shape of bug reports with my apport hooks :(  (ex: bug 655932)
[22:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655932 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium crashes on identi.ca (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655932
[22:07] <micahg> fta: shape?
[22:08] <fta> micahg, i wanted most of the stuff in the text to be attachments
[22:09] <micahg> fta: isn't it?
[22:09] <fta> in fact, i don't know how lp decides what is attached and what is in the initial message
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> asac - i've got a working PGO build of firefox now :)
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> will upload to my PPA before i go to bed
[22:46] <asac> incredible!
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> the only thing i've noticed so far is that it crashes on shutdown
[22:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you tell the difference?
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> which means the profile selector doesn't work at all, because it crashes before starting the real browser
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's difficult to tell. i guess i should try it on a fresh profile
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to benchmark it really
[22:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: time?
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> ok, uploading to PPA now :)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> guud evening everyone