[00:51] <Gallomimia> seem to have no information about why i cannot launch steam. ubuntu 22.04
[00:56] <sarnold> try running journalctl -f  in one terminal, start steam in another, watch the output, maybe you'll find something
[00:57] <Gallomimia> thanks for the suggestion. nothing interesting
[00:57] <sarnold> :(
[01:21] <Gallomimia> there's 4 lines of good news if i run the steam client from term. nothing in the journal
[01:21] <sarnold> dang
[01:22] <Gallomimia> oops. i was wrong. it says the same 4 lines and then it says it consumed 2.356 seconds of CPU time
[01:22] <Gallomimia> which is not nearly enough!
[01:22] <sarnold> "I wanted to spend hours here"
[01:22] <Gallomimia> takes more cpu time than that just to load up the front page
[01:22] <Gallomimia> so, it quit cleanly?
[01:22] <sarnold> you'll probably have to ask them for help then :( if it doesn't emit anything to help you solve it yourself, it's hard to see what other options there are
[01:22] <Gallomimia> it's pretty strange tho, cause it worked yesterday
[01:23] <Gallomimia> i'll try a restart later
[01:24] <Gallomimia> and i also have several other interesting problems that i need to diagnose. i had a theory before getting a new gpu that i had a problem with my kernel option amd iommu enable
[01:24] <Gallomimia> and now it has all kinds of weird hangs and pauses when doing normal stuff. context switching extremely slow. unseeable alerts about devices at the very start of boot. etc
[03:06] <stuart__> Hello everyone. I was hoping someone could assist. I am using ubuntu terminal and need to apply a git patch to run make properly that currently isnt working due to a bug. i am not sure how to apply the patch. wondering if someone knows how I would? The issue in git i am trying to find is here:
[03:06] <stuart__> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/6497
[03:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 6497 in Project-OSRM/osrm-backend "tbb/parallel_pipeline.h: No such file or directory" [Open]
[03:11] <enigma9o7> well i know how to do that one way, but dunno if its your favorite way.  first download the pull request as a patch https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/pull/6493.patch then from the folder you cloned, git apply /path/to/filename.patch
[03:11] <Max-P> there's literally the commands right in the last comment there
[03:12] <enigma9o7> yeah Max is right.  I didnt read to the bottom, that does the same kinda thing.
[03:13] <stuart__> yeah but when i try to apply it, it says which file to replace and seems to want to skip each one or specify
[03:13] <stuart__> i tried stipulating paths for each file as i enter them but still no go
[03:13] <stuart__> obviously noob and missing it
[03:15] <stuart__> ill just run it quickly again and paste back here what it's saying. i dont understand where and why it is asking what it is
[03:16] <stuart__> root@server1:/home/stuart# patch -p1 < patch-6497-fix-tbbparallelpipeline.patch
[03:16] <stuart__> can't find file to patch at input line 17
[03:16] <stuart__> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
[03:16] <stuart__> The text leading up to this was:
[03:16] <stuart__> --------------------------
[03:16] <stuart__> |From c760cb2282e14ef0a7cb546677eedd92763beb56 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
[03:18] <stuart__> https://pastebin.com/ZpsCFqAf
[03:18] <stuart__> the final line "file to patch" is a prompt
[03:18] <stuart__> im guessing it wants me to specify for each file its trying to patch where that file is with full path and file name. but not sure exactly where that is if that is right
[03:20] <Max-P> stuart__: you're supposed to run this from the root of the sources, you're in your home directory, and logged in as root at that...
[03:21] <stuart__> in the build directory or the CMakeFiles directory?
[03:22] <Max-P> the root directory of the sources
[03:22] <stuart__> hollllld on
[03:22] <stuart__> i think i got it. outside of the build dir derp
[03:22] <stuart__> sigh
[03:23] <stuart__> oh wow. i need sleep. thank you all for your help. i really appreciate it.
[03:23] <stuart__> lets not talk about it haha
[04:53] <Muligan> really crazy deal with this machine
[04:53] <Muligan> or (2) of them more so
[04:53] <Muligan> unable to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:53] <Muligan> but can <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:53] <Muligan> place another machine within the same /29 network, able to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:54] <Muligan> so it's def NOT a routing issue as that's been verified
[04:54] <Muligan> but I can ping damned near anything else
[04:54] <rbox> what does 'ip r' look like
[04:55] <Muligan> default via the upstream router
[04:55] <Muligan> dev eth0 proto static metric 100
[04:55] <Muligan> and then the /29 to dev 0
[04:55] <Muligan> no other routes on this machine
[04:56] <Muligan> when I run a traceroute, it gets out past our network, and then stops at one of the IPs that belong to google
[04:56] <Muligan> stops right afterwards anyhow
[04:56] <Muligan> different machine, same subnet, different IP, routes all the way through w/o dropping off
[04:57] <Muligan> i'm not going to worry too much about it tonight
[04:57] <Muligan> these machines are going to be forklifted out here soon
[04:58] <Muligan> they're only recursive DNS servers
[04:58] <Muligan> had to perform an emergency p2v as last week, one of their processors started choking up
[04:58] <Muligan> old dell R810 w/4 procs, and something like 64gb ram
[04:59] <Muligan> all for a DNS server that hosted maybe 20 domains, and does recursive lookups for something like 400 devices, if that
[04:59] <Muligan> /rant
[05:33] <k000> The new version of Ubuntu will be release today?
[05:34] <Max-P> Muligan: is the /29 public? Any way you can add a new IP to the machine (as a secondary)?
[05:35] <Max-P> if it's a public IP, I'd consider the possibility that Google is blocking you, which would make sense if they're recursive DNS servers
[05:37] <Bashing-om> !isitoutyet
[05:40] <Muligan> Max-P, it is a public IP
[05:41] <Muligan> and I'm thinking that may be the case where it's being blocked
[05:44] <Muligan> not seeing it on any RBLs, but that's not saying that google has blocked it directly...
[05:44] <oerheks> !party
[05:44] <Muligan> I'll check to see whether or not if it's the IP itself, or the machine
[05:45] <Max-P> that's why I suggested assigning it a second IP temporarily, then do DNS lookup via that fresh IP
[05:45] <Max-P> if it works, then yep, you're blocked
[05:45] <Muligan> understood, thanks for the input!
[05:48] <k000_> !lunar
[07:26] <k000> !lunar
[07:50] <ThaterH> Hi, I run windows but want to try linux, what ubuntu do the marjority of people use?
[07:51] <zaggynl> Hi, what do you mean by 'what ubuntu'? The version number?
[07:51] <ThaterH> no the user interface
[07:52] <ThaterH> There appears to be different types
[07:52] <karthy> ubuntu is built by canonical right?
[07:53] <zaggynl> I think Gnome is default and thus most used
[07:53] <alkisg> karthy:  The company behind it is canonical, but there's also a vast community of vulunteers involved
[07:55] <zaggynl> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/ shows some recent statistics
[07:55] <zaggynl> This shows more than Ubuntu though
[07:58] <alkisg> It shows Arch having more users than Ubuntu, so their statistics don't reflect the global ones, they must be focused in some small group
[07:59] <alkisg> Like, if you review the linux school usage in my city, it's 90% linux; that's certainly not the global one :)
[09:31] <karthy> is dubuntu debain
[09:38] <benl90> Hello, could anyone please tell me, why I face this problem https://snipboard.io/gzbGco.jpg? I just reboot, and it stuck at that location for long time.
[10:04] <oerheks> benl90, seems like btrfs is checking your filesystems?
[10:19] <md> hi
[10:22] <Guest4788> kolo
[10:26] <benl90> oerheks, But it long time, it's already 2 hours tbh
[10:27] <benl90> It's only 1mb/s when checking *I look into the disk reading speed. It will take more than 2 days to check :/
[10:27] <benl90> should I let it be?
[10:28] <oerheks> I have not much experience with btrfs, this sounds like due to a hard reset of your system? i would let it run..
[10:32] <olspookishmagus> !pastebin
[10:32] <olspookishmagus> !pastebinit
[10:33] <olspookishmagus> hello, should I have installed Ubuntu 22.04 LTS on a thin client PC (Acer Veriton X270) and I want to give it some WiFi interface, should I expect a TP-Link TL-WN722N to work instantmagically or ... ?
[10:33] <olspookishmagus> this is the output of when I connect it: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/e832e5cf
[10:36] <olspookishmagus> possibly related thread? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277432
[10:42] <kursat> hello
[10:42] <ravage> olspookishmagus: if it is a USB device find the details about it via "lsusb"
[10:43] <ravage> olspookishmagus: it is much easier to looks for a specific USB id to find a driver than a model name
[10:45] <benl90> oerheks, it's the cloud-init image from ubuntu, so it by default using btrfs :/ I can do nothing about it sadly. aaa
[10:55] <sam__> Hi
[10:56] <SamboMambo> Im using Ubuntu after using Windows since windows 3.11
[10:57] <gry> and yet you discovered irc only today?
[10:57] <SamboMambo> No
[10:58] <gry> good
[10:58] <SamboMambo> I've used IRC on and off
[10:59] <gry> sounds like it is working fine for you today; would you like to share a story in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:08] <k000> !lunar
[11:12] <oerheks> !party
[11:12] <oerheks> k000, no need to repeat that ubottu factoid
[11:16] <benl90> Is there really no way to by pass btrfs check on ubuntu? It takes soo long.. sadd.... *sob sob sob
[11:20] <oerheks> as it is a cloud image, ask your cloud provider?
[11:20] <oerheks> maybe there is an admin panel to fix things
[11:23] <benl90> It's on premis... not on cloud, but I use cloud init image, that's from Ubuntu cloud
[11:23] <benl90> oerheks, It's on qemu/kvm...
[11:24] <benl90> I only have problem with ubuntu cloud init image, not from other distro that's EL based :/, which makes me frustated... I can't go directly to EL based, because a lot of sysadmin here is using *buntu/debian based :/
[11:52] <akashik> good morning
[11:52] <akashik> good morning
[12:07] <JoeBk> when is 23.04 being released?
[12:12] <Guest87> today :-)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:17] <benl90> Really? Is it not possible to by pass btrfs from checking on boot?
[12:43] <matrixy1> what time is the lobster ready?
[12:44] <leftyfb> matrixy1: there is never a set time
[12:44] <matrixy1> k
[12:44] <leftyfb> matrixy1: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:45] <matrixy1> k
[12:46] <BluesKaj> the gnomes are still busy at their KBs
[12:59] <yossarianuk> Is this the final release ?  https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.04/  ?
[13:00] <JoeBk_> yossarianuk, I doen's say beta anymore so it must be.
[13:00] <yossarianuk> groovy !
[13:00] <ravage> yossarianuk: im sure it is. please try to to download before the official release announcement. also see  #ubuntu-release-party . if you need to get it now help the community and use the tracker: https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[13:02] <DumbLDoor> Hi All! I am trying to install Ubuntu 23.04 from windows. Where can I find wubi?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !wubi
[13:02] <DumbLDoor> Ty Ubottu
[13:03] <leftyfb> !wsl | DumbLDoor
[13:03] <DumbLDoor>  !install
[13:03] <yossarianuk> I would avoid WSL
[13:03] <DumbLDoor> tu
[13:03] <yossarianuk> and run real Linux..
[13:03] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: lets not
[13:03] <yossarianuk> just burn iso to usb stick and install it
[13:04] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: that doesn't work for everyone for various reasons
[13:04] <DumbLDoor> i have a 4 GB stick and an 8 GB card w/reader which surprisingly does not work.
[13:04] <JoeBk> I use Ventoy: https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
[13:05] <leftyfb> DumbLDoor: feel free to install Ubuntu direct or using WSL. Up to you.
[13:05] <JoeBk> the torrent is up and working well.
[13:06] <DumbLDoor> I will try WSL - ty
[13:06] <yossarianuk> wsl = slower linux though, filesystem, etc - it's doing Linux down IMO - but each to their own .
[13:07] <JoeBk> you can install ubuntu on an external drive unlike Windows.
[13:07] <yossarianuk> i fear people whill try WSL as their first linux install and think 'linux is slow'
[13:07] <leftyfb> yossarianuk: do you have a support question?
[13:07] <matrixy1> wsl --install
[13:07] <matrixy1> the command to install it
[13:08] <DumbLDoor> yup, ty matrixy1
[13:08] <yossarianuk> leftyfb: my question was answered
[13:08] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.04/release/
[13:09] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's not released yet
[13:09] <leftyfb> oerheks: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:09] <DumbLDoor> thanks a lot, oerheks
[13:09] <DumbLDoor> ty all, cya later
[13:27] <C13> Hola/hello?
[13:29] <C13> Hello?/hola?
[13:29] <oerheks> !hi
[13:29] <C13> I'm new here hehe
[13:30] <C13> Do you know how I can find channels?
[13:30] <oerheks> !alis
[13:30] <oerheks> else see the docs of your irc client
[13:30] <C13> Oh, thanks :)
[13:49] <akik> why doesn't the snap lxd "systemctl enable snap.lxd.system" command work until i add WantedBy=multi-user.target in its service file?
[13:50] <akik> or is there some other way to enable it to start on boot?
[13:52] <akik> i had a typo there "systemctl enable snap.lxd.daemon"
[13:53] <oerheks> oh, good spot
[13:54] <akik> no i mean why doesn't it work
[13:54] <leftyfb> akik: lxd starts on boot just fine by default. As do the containers
[13:54] <akik> i have to add [Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target
[13:54] <akik> otherwise ""systemctl enable snap.lxd.daemon" doesn't work
[13:54] <leftyfb> that should not be necessary
[13:54] <akik> you can try on 22.04
[13:55] <leftyfb> I've been running 22.04 for a year now with lxd and containers
[13:55] <ravage> ^^
[13:55] <leftyfb> on multiple machines
[13:55] <ravage> never had to fix anything manually here too
[13:55] <ravage> just worked
[13:55] <leftyfb> 5 to be exact. Desktop and server
[13:56] <akik> leftyfb: how did you enable it to start on boot?
[13:56] <leftyfb> akik: sudo snap install lxd ; sudo lxd init
[13:56] <akik> leftyfb: that doesn't enable it to start on boot
[13:56] <leftyfb> it does for me and all my machines
[13:56] <akik> that just makes it run
[13:57] <leftyfb> not only does it make it run on boot, but the containers that I create also start on boot by default
[13:57] <akik> i just tried it on 22.04 and it doesn't work that way
[13:58] <akik> "sudo lxc list" starts it up somehow
[13:59] <leftyfb> you don't need sudo for the lxc client
[13:59] <akik> socket activation maybe
[13:59] <leftyfb> akik: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fbq5rgvhw9/
[13:59] <leftyfb> look at line 5
[14:01] <akik> leftyfb: but you said it starts for you on boot?
[14:01] <leftyfb> the containers do
[14:01] <leftyfb> that's all that matters
[14:01] <leftyfb> I guess the lxd daemon, which is just used to manage the containers is socket-based so it only starts as needed
[14:02] <leftyfb> which I'm completely fine with
[14:17] <yossarianuk> has anyone benchmarked (gaming) 23.04 compared to 22.10 yet ?
[14:18] <oerheks> yossarianuk, no, but i just read a test, https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2304-laptops
[14:55] <dust> iso is 4,9gb and dvd rw is 4,7gb
[14:57] <leftyfb> dust: the latest 22.10 image is 3.8G
[15:03] <ravage> the legacy image is still 3.6G
[15:03] <leftyfb> 23.04 is not released yet
[15:03] <leftyfb> !next | dust
[15:07] <dust> leftyfb, it is released and i already dl it... thats the reason i know the size of 23.04...
[15:07] <leftyfb> dust: 23.04 is not released yet
[15:08] <dust> https://releases.ubuntu.com/lunar/
[15:08] <leftyfb> That's nice. There's been no announcement from Canonical/Ubuntu, the download page still shows 22.04 and 22.10. And that image was uploaded 2 days ago.
[15:09] <leftyfb> dust: please go to #ubuntu-next for support with 23.04 until it is released
[15:09] <JoeBk> is anyone able to install 23.04?  It just hangs for me.  Maybe server is saturated.
[15:10] <leftyfb> !next | JoeBk
[15:10] <JoeBk> that doesn't answer my question.
[15:11] <leftyfb> JoeBk: We do not support unreleased versions of ubuntu here. Please /join #ubuntu-next for unreleased versions of ubuntu
[15:27] <dust> https://ubuntu.com/
[15:27] <dust> its released
[15:30] <leftyfb> the page has changed, no announcement yet
[15:30] <leftyfb> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[15:31] <dust> https://ubuntu.com/about Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.
[15:32] <dust> https://canonical.com/blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-23-04-lunar-lobster
[15:42] <luna> and Phoronix and Distrowatch being early again as always :P
[15:47] <jhutchins> So nobody is allowed to talk about 22.04 until the announcement is official?
[15:47] <luna> writing Ubuntu 23.04 and flavours is released just becouse its at the Canonical London datacenter, that are still mirroring the file out for another 2,5-3,5 hours but when people download the file from the London DC that does the mirroring job it slows down the actual release and make it take 6-9 hours or 9-13 hours instead of 3 hours total always happends
[15:48] <luna> its nice when the Linux news sites slows down the mirroring process (and it always happens)
[15:58] <badbodh> hi, in ubuntu livepatch settings i have ESM and livepatch enabled. apart from that there are two more - FIPS and USG. something to do with hardening. are those useful for normal desktop?
[15:59] <oerheks> USG can be interesting, https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/usg
[15:59] <oerheks> ESM is only helpful after 5year LTS ..
[16:01] <badbodh> i see. checking out USG, any steps i need to do for enabling? "pro status" doesn't show USG item in the list
[16:02] <badbodh> nvm, found this https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/disa-stig/installation
[16:02] <oerheks> sudo apt install usg  && sudo ua enable usg
[16:09] <badbodh> ok, not available for 22.04
[16:09] <badbodh> the link above is for 20.04
[16:10] <badbodh> thanks
[16:10] <jhutchins> luna: I take it you've never managed a public download server.
[16:11] <luna> jhutchins: nope
[16:12] <jhutchins> luna: The load on the servers and their data link goes way up when there's a release.  Rather than refuse connections, the transfer rate slows down as the bandwidth is shared among more and more connections.
[16:12] <jhutchins> We're lucky it doesn't crash as soon as the announcement hits.
[16:12] <jhutchins> (For "lucky" read "lots of people's hard work".)
[16:13] <jhutchins> luna: If you wait a few hours after it starts to peak, the torrent feeds shold be seeded and thost might be faster than the direct feeds from the mirrors.
[16:13] <luna> downloading with QBitorrent seems to work better then KTorrent and only takes 2 hours instead of 2 days now
[16:13] <jhutchins> luna: Right, because lots of people are participating.
[16:14] <jhutchins> luna: Which torrent client works best for you is up to you to decide.
[16:14] <luna> jhutchins: yeah
[16:14] <ravage> transmission has always been most reliable for me
[16:16] <luna> https://i.imgur.com/QWDDl8t.png
[16:20] <akik> was the ubuntu torrent tracker fixed?
[16:21] <akik> i'd think that would help a lot
[16:21] <ravage> yes
[16:21] <badbodh> they all use different backends. qbit and deluge use libtorrent, ktorrent has libktorrent, transmission has its own thing
[16:21] <ravage> weeks ago
[16:22] <badbodh> so their performance will vary user to user
[16:24] <akik> ravage: it's not fixed yet. i started 5 ubuntu iso torrents, and only one of them is downloading properly
[16:25] <ravage> all my torrents work just fine
[16:25] <ravage> and you can also see the torrets on the tracker
[16:25] <akik> ravage: and the other 4 just show one seed <IP_ADDRESS> which is the tracker ip
[16:27] <ravage> akik: https://i.imgur.com/Wn27JLa.png
[16:27] <ravage> downloaded the live-server iso with 30 megs/s
[16:28] <akik> ravage: start them all at the same time and see how it goes
[16:28] <ravage> i did
[16:28] <akik> ravage: i mean start the download from 0
[16:28] <ravage> seeding them all
[16:28] <ravage> no problems
[16:28] <akik> ravage: i mean start the download from 0
[16:29] <ravage> why would i do that again?
[16:29] <akik> ravage: you'll see the problem that way
[16:29] <ravage> i dont see the point really. i downloded all of them earlier to my server. with full speed
[16:30] <akik> i'm just a messenger
[16:31] <akik> i started 5 ubuntu torrents from 0 and only one of them is downloading properly
[16:31] <oerheks> i started @ 15:08, first iso @ 15:43 and last one 17:52
[16:31] <akik> 4 others only have 1 seed, the tracker itself
[16:31] <oerheks> 7 isos
[16:32] <akik> the same day i noticed this problem i downloaded 4 fedora isos with 0 problems
[16:32] <akik> at the same time
[16:32] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/RP88FSv.png started 30 seconds ago
[16:32] <ravage> if you have problerms with a lot of connections maybe check your network
[16:32] <akik> ravage: i said download multiple torrents at the same time
[16:33] <akik> sure yea
[16:33] <oerheks> if torrents do not speed up, reset your modem ?
[16:33] <akik> haha
[16:33] <akik> hilarious
[16:33] <ravage> there is no plausible reason why it should not work with multiple running downloads
[16:33] <akik> it's in a azure dc
[16:33] <ravage> except a network bottleneck
[16:34] <oerheks> maybe a torrent policy; pay more?
[16:35] <akik> i just told you i had zero problems downloading 4 fedora isos at the same time
[16:35] <ravage> and you still seem to be the only person here with speed problems
[16:36] <akik> so somebody tested starting the download from 0 with multiple torrents at the same time?
[16:36] <rfm> I did that about 40 minutes ago, all finished some time back (4 isos)
[16:37] <akik> i can test with those 4 fedora torrents now
[16:40] <akik> yes as i said, all 4 fedora torrents started downloading properly
[16:40] <akik> but hey don't trust me, i'm just a messenger
[16:40] <ravage> 👍
[16:41] <akik> now downloading them at 30MiB/s
[16:41] <akik> 40MiB/s
[16:41] <akik> lol 50
[16:42] <akik> so sure you can dream that the ubuntu torrent tracker is working just fine
[16:42] <u8353v[m]> Administrator: I was banned from
[16:42] <u8353v[m]> Ubuntu - #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:43] <u8353v[m]>  * Administrator: I was banned from
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> Ubuntu - #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> by @Agyieus
[16:43] <u8353v[m]> Can you please ask him to re-add me there as the problem is because of the ;lower tolerance compared to the ubuntu channel pertaining to my country.
[16:43] <oerheks> matrix is known for connection problems on #libera, get used to it
[16:44] <oerheks> you are on #ubuntu u8353v[m]
[16:44] <u8353v[m]> s/;//
[16:44] <ravage> oerheks: when. and did you maybe post an image as your first message?
[16:44] <ravage> oh
[16:44] <ravage> sorry
[16:44] <ravage> u8353v[m]:
[16:44] <ravage> :)
[16:44] <u8353v[m]> ravage: exactly! 🙂
[16:45] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: you want #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops. Not here
[16:45] <u8353v[m]> This is something my country ubuntu group never complained about but the admin told me the flavors ubuntu channel has lower tolerance.
[16:45] <u8353v[m]> A mistake i won't ever do again!
[16:46] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: this one #ubuntu:matrix.org
[16:46] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: sorry, we can't help with that here
[16:46] <luna> this is the support channel for the OS however not Matrix ops
[16:47]  * u8353v[m] uploaded an image: (126KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gEzBYLVtEBCNFThdnKehTFsD/image.png >
[16:47] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: oh ok. I tought some of you could be a member there
[16:48] <ravage> u8353v[m]: try to join again. maybe try a "hi" first this time
[16:48] <luna> and bam Ubuntu 23.04 is offically out: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-April/000289.html
[16:49] <mybalzitch> and as always wait for 23.04.01
[16:49] <u8353v[m]> luna: you have to do a fresh install or you can upgrade?
[16:50] <luna> u8353v[m]: you can upgrade i would think
[16:50] <oerheks> upgrade path is not out yet
[16:50] <mybalzitch> I went from 22.10 to 23.04 without intervention.
[16:50] <oerheks> one can with the -d option, but i would wait
[16:50] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: there won't be a 23.04.1. It's a non-LTS and will only be supported for 9 months
[16:51] <oerheks> mybalzitch, oh? normally it is a few days later
[16:51] <mybalzitch> oh right, only even years are LTS?
[16:51] <leftyfb> mybalzitch: Ubuntu does not upgrade on it's own without you telling it to
[16:51] <mybalzitch> leftyfb: I mean without having to mess aaround in addition to do-release-upgrade -d
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> mybalzitch: is this ok?
[16:53]  * u8353v[m] uploaded an image: (12KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/HqPFQTSGhxIyzXcfOlpXqzam/image.png >
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> To install the LTS, and then the LTS when available?
[16:53] <u8353v[m]> Or better wait for LTS to be available?
[16:53] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: please use pastebin if you can
[16:53] <mybalzitch> lts version won't be out until 2024
[16:54] <ravage> u8353v[m]: "u8353v was unbanned"
[16:54] <leftyfb> u8353v[m]: u8353v[m] what are you trying to do exactly?
[16:55] <prashant> Hi
[16:55] <luna> oerheks: ah i see good to know
[16:56] <luna> yeah next LTS is 24.04 in April next year
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-23-04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> leftyfb: upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04
[16:56] <u8353v[m]> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-23-04
[16:57] <oerheks> u8353v[m], yes? that is exactly what i wrote
[16:57] <u8353v[m]> ravage: ravage: Thanks a lot! 👋
[16:57] <ravage> yq
[16:57] <ravage> yw
[16:57] <oerheks> one can boot the iso and choose to upgrade current install
[16:58] <luna> oerheks: cool thanks for the good info
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> oerheks: you're going to wait until next year for the LTS?
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> why not update now and then again with the LTS?
[17:00] <u8353v[m]> Asking because i've never done this before. Still recent with linux!
[17:01] <zulumika> Hi all.  Using the default file manager, is there a way to sort files and folders so that names with 'underscores' are displayed at the top of the list?
[17:05] <luna> flashing it on the Ubuntu USB stick i got from Philipp Kewisch at this years FOSDEM now
[17:08] <tomreyn> zulumika: i'd be surprised if you could change the display order beyond ascending and descending alphabetical order and the other columns. you can always do such using shell scripting, though
[17:10] <lolok> you would have to make and set a custom locale
[17:14] <zulumika> ok, thank you.
[17:17] <akik> now even the ubuntu torrent trackers disappeared from the seeders
[17:18] <luna>  there we go now we have Ubuntu 23.04 :)
[17:18] <oerheks> uh oh, what have we done?
[17:29] <matrixy1> the installer just quits on 23.04
[17:30] <matrixy1> it starts and then quits
[17:30] <tomreyn> probably a broken iso / installer
[17:30] <matrixy1> i downloaded from the browser
[17:31] <matrixy1> 4.6 gb iso
[17:31] <tomreyn> !verify
[17:31] <matrixy1> ok ill do that
[17:32] <tomreyn> if you use balena etcher to write the iso to the installer media, it also checks that the data written there is correct.
[17:33] <tomreyn> (you can do the same with other tools, it's just easy to use)
[17:34] <LucasBR> Hey, some brazilian here?
[17:35] <tomreyn> do you only accept ubuntu support from brazilians then?
[17:35] <matrixy1> says its ok
[17:35] <leftyfb> !br | LucasBR
[17:35] <matrixy1> i used dd
[17:35] <LucasBR> no, my english is soso
[17:35] <LucasBR> tks lefty
[17:35] <tomreyn> try #ubuntu-br or -pt then
[17:36] <matrixy1> theres a legacy installer for 23.04
[17:36] <LucasBR> i tried, i will wait for someone in the chat, thanks !!
[17:36] <tomreyn> matrixy1: dd doesn't verify the data written
[17:36] <matrixy1> i did sha256sum
[17:37] <tomreyn> against the iso or the usb stick?
[17:37] <matrixy1> ill just try the legacy installer
[17:37] <matrixy1> just iso
[17:37] <akik> what is a legacy installer?
[17:37] <tomreyn> how much ram do you have?
[17:37] <matrixy1> 8gb
[17:37] <tomreyn> hmm that should work
[17:37] <matrixy1> theres a download option for 23.04 with the old installer
[17:37] <tomreyn> akik: the legacy installer would be based on ubiquity
[17:38] <akik> tomreyn: where's that installer?
[17:38] <tomreyn> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lunar/release/ubuntu-23.04-desktop-legacy-amd64.iso
[17:39] <akik> interesting
[17:39] <akik> why would you need that?
[17:39] <tomreyn> in case the newer one doesn't work or you want to keep using your old automation, i assume
[17:40] <tomreyn> maybe the release notes hint on it
[17:40] <oerheks> Also netboot is back, just not for amd64
[17:56] <ioria> interesting: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/daily-live/current/
[17:56] <ioria> for amd64
[17:57] <akik> that's even smaller than the debian one
[17:57] <akik> https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[17:58] <oerheks> should fit on a 128mb sdcard 🤣
[19:01] <jhutchins> That what, a little more than ten floppies?
[19:32] <linsux> is ubuntu rolling release
[19:33] <akik> cdimage.ubuntu.com has a really good internet connection
[19:33] <akik> linsux: no
[19:34] <akik> linsux: you want arch
[20:08] <Max-P> there's rolling rhino but it's a little buggy
[20:10] <jhutchins> Max-P: By definition a rolling release IS buggy.
[20:15] <Max-P> It's not as buggy when it's designed for it, been using Arch for a decade and it's been pretty reliable. My Ubuntu VM with the devel repos, sometimes things do break. Which is fine, it's not meant to be installed and used long term
[20:25] <grat> congrats to the devs for the new release!
[20:32] <semitones> hey I'm trying to get my grub to boot the last entry selected. I have GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true and GRUB_DEFAULT=saved and I ran sudo update-grub, yet it still defaults to the first option. Any ideas for how to troubleshoot?
[20:34] <semitones> I have used these pages as reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 and https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Simple-configuration
[20:35] <JoeBk> semitones, that's what I have and it works for me.
[20:35] <semitones> i'm going to look at the grub.cfg and see if I see anything weird
[20:36] <JoeBk> I wonder if the order of the lines is a problem
[20:36] <semitones> that's a good idea
[20:36] <JoeBk> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved is the first one on mine
[20:37] <semitones> I have "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" first and "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT" second, then all the other options
[20:37] <semitones> it is respecting the GRUB_TIMEOUT I set to 3, but it did not respect the "GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden" and did countdown instead
[20:40] <invitado> hi
[20:40] <invitado> how are you guys?
[20:41] <krytarik> invitado: General chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:42] <invitado> this sheet is dead bra
[20:42] <semitones> looking at grub.cfg, it looks like 30_os-prober always sets the timeout style to menu, and has an "if timeout = 0, then set timeout = 10' function
[20:42] <invitado> sorry
[20:48] <semitones> JoeBk, interesting: if I choose to boot Windows, it saves that one. But if I choose ubuntu(generic) over ubuntu(lowlatency) it returns to lowlatency next time.
[20:49] <JoeBk> semitones, I have no clue.  I've never had a problem with it.
[20:50] <semitones> maybe I will do an askubuntu
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> semitones: The package 'ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings' forces the prioritization of the lowlatency kernel over the generic kernel, so you might be seeing that. If you uninstall that, it'll fix that, but you'll also lose "threadirqs" and other lowlatency optimizations.
[20:52] <semitones> That would explain this behavior. Does it make sense to boot into low-latency kernel only when I'm doing audio work, and use generic when I prefer stability?
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> semitones: Not really, only if you want to save power.
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> The only real tradeoff is energy savings vs latency.
[20:53] <semitones> ok, thanks. I suppose I do want to save power since it is a laptop. Will it respect GRUB_DEFAULT=1 (instead of saved)?
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> Never tried it. You can try it and see what happens.
[20:55] <Eickmeyer> I just manually switch back and forth, giving myself plenty of time to switch to the generic kernel when on battery.
[20:55] <semitones> That makes sense. No, with GRUB_DEFAULT=1 it still pre-selects lowlatency
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> Probably because that's the first entry in the submenu.
[20:56] <semitones> I thought it started at 0 according to the documentation. I'll try 2
[20:57] <semitones> 2 chooses the 3rd option. I'll try "1" again and this time make sure I update-grub
[21:08] <semitones> GRUB_DEFAULT=1 works as expected (chooses the 2nd option). Thanks for your help troubleshooting this Eickmeyer !
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> semitones: You're welcome!
[22:24] <DumbLDoor> Hello!
[22:25] <DumbLDoor> i tried to make a bootable usb using rufus and https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.04/release/
[22:26] <DumbLDoor> However, on trying to boot, it gives me a pointer out of range exception
[22:26] <jhutchins> DumbLDoor: Did you verify the checksum of the downloaded file?
[22:27] <DumbLDoor> jhutchins - rufus would fail if the ISO were to be corrupt
[22:28] <jhutchins> DumbLDoor: No, not necessarily.  It doesn't have access to the official checksums.
[22:29] <enyc> DumbLDoor: I thought rufus etc is not such a goodo or needed idea
[22:29] <enyc> DumbLDoor: better just using win32diskimager or etcher or similar to JUST write the image to USB as ubuntu images are ALREADY hybrid multibootable images!
[22:30] <jhutchins> AFTER you cerify the checksum.
[22:30] <DumbLDoor> enyc - do you mean just copy the iso to USB stick?
[22:31] <enyc> DumbLDoor: no, i mean proper image-writing tool to write it directly,  NOT copying .iso  as a *file* to stick filesystem  and *NOT* modifying it like rufus etc can do
[22:33] <sarnold> does rufus have a simple 'dd' mode?
[22:33] <enyc> sarnold: it may do but as per ubuntu instructions, etcher easier to use less likely to dowrong thing etc
[22:34] <enyc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#3-create-a-bootable-usb-stick
[22:34] <DumbLDoor> sarnold- it has dd  and iso
[22:34] <DumbLDoor> i think iso is prefered
[22:34] <enyc> DumbLDoor: do try  dd mode writing to spare stick (will overwrite all data etc...)
[22:35] <DumbLDoor> enyc - sure, ty
[22:38] <DumbLDoor> SHA256 matches.. just checked
[23:14] <DumbLDoor> Hello! Etcher image didn't work either, the OS does not load.
[23:25] <oehman_> try gpt instead of mbr on the usb stick
[23:25] <oehman_> i did mine in startup creator
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, the .iso images are so large these days that they are likely to point-out flaws in your average USB stick. I'd try another one.
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> DumbLDoor: ^
[23:35] <DumbLDoor> ty Oehman and eickmeyer..  I tried burning the 3.6 GB ISO to a DVD and I have a coaster now
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> DumbLDoor: It's working for thousands of other people... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:37] <oehman_> i did mine on usb
[23:38] <oehman_> sure that you are not using legacy
[23:48] <akik> sarnold: rufus dd write mode can be activated by pressing alt-i once after starting it
[23:51] <sarnold> akik: aha, thanks :)
[23:54] <akik> sarnold: it says something like "iso support disabled" at the bottom then
[23:55] <sarnold> akik: handy :)


[09:12] <stevenm> Odd_Bloke, (from Proxmox's manual)...
[09:12] <stevenm>  citype: <configdrive2 | nocloud>
[09:12] <stevenm>     Specifies the cloud-init configuration format. The default depends on the configured operating system type (ostype. We use the nocloud format for Linux, and configdrive2 for windows.
[09:12] <stevenm> So I guess in the list of IMDS sources that falcojr pointed to
[09:12] <stevenm> it's DataSourceNoCloud.py and DataSourceConfigDrive.py
[09:13] <stevenm> although it sounds like proxmox would never use configdrive (or configdrive2?!? whatever the difference is) if it thinks its talking to a linux guest
[09:15] <stevenm> ah it can be overridden - so either can be used by sounds of it
[09:16] <stevenm> and both are vfat/iso9660 images


[10:22] <darius12> Keybuk: I just looked a bit at the testsuite errors I was getting and it turns out that these were because I ran the tests as root
[10:24] <darius12> everything passes now (maybe something can be added to the testsuite to disable those tests in this case, or XFAIL them or something)
[10:24] <darius12> when I run it as a user all tests pass
[11:40] <Keybuk> oh, right


[12:38] <a5benwillis> can anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[12:38] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.
[12:46] <chino> LaserJock:  yes esactlly... i really think these IT guys at these schools dont know what there doing... this one guy had macs setup and said he loved it and unbreakable and that the winxp boxes got destroyed constantly... but the school district bought a whole bunch of cheap dells... so why dont i walk in and run a edbuntu live cd and show him what thin clients are all about and how it looks just as good at mac works just as good and the thin client has se
[12:49] <cliebow> or an ltsp live cd hooked to your lappie
[12:54] <a5benwillis> chino: I dont appreciate that remark. Im an IT guy at a school.
[12:55] <chino> heh ;]
[12:55] <chino> some IT guys
[12:56] <a5benwillis> One reason I don't use overpriced 'contractors' like you is because you think you know more than you do.
[12:56] <cliebow> i also am an it guy at school 8~)
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Yet yocan anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[12:57] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in.guys to ask you questions.u come here, where monst of use ARE school IT
[12:57] <a5benwillis> .
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Well that didnt come out right.
[12:57] <a5benwillis> .
[12:57] <a5benwillis> Yet you come here, where monst of use ARE school IT guys to ask your questions.
[12:58] <a5benwillis> .
[12:58] <a5benwillis> <--- steps OFF soapbox :-)
[01:18] <a5benwillis> Hi ogra!
[01:23] <a5benwillis> can anyone help me with customizing the LDM login? What files do I edit?
[01:24] <a5benwillis>  Not the login screen but the desktop for all new users who log in etc.
[01:24] <LaserJock> a5benwillis: you really might have a better time emailing the edubuntu-users list
[01:24] <LaserJock> rather than posting in here every half hour
[01:24] <a5benwillis> I just emailed the ltsp list.
[01:24] <LaserJock> cool
[01:24] <a5benwillis> LOL, sorry....
[01:25] <LaserJock> it's not a problem, I just don't want you to get too frustrated waiting for an answer here
[01:25] <a5benwillis> you guys are usually ready to talk about this stuff though. Its been a slow day here.
[01:25] <LaserJock> yep, it is some days
[01:25] <a5benwillis> I do ask a lot of questions. But I usualy search the net in every possible way first.
[01:26] <a5benwillis> cliebow's just been letting me down today. No helpful answers at all!
[01:35] <cliebow>  out of my league...
[01:36] <LaserJock> heh
[01:36] <LaserJock> I'm no help at all
[01:36] <cliebow> just havnt had it in production long enough to pull myself out by the bootstraps
[01:36] <LaserJock> one of these days I'll actually have to do a LTSP setup
[01:37] <cliebow> ive just been *alls to the wall keeping everyting else up..
[01:38] <a5benwillis> just giving you a hard time :)
[01:39] <cliebow> my one ubuntu/4.2 setup i havnt touched for six weeks..just "works" in a fifth grade class with a clueless teacher..
[01:40] <cliebow> two more edubuntu schools just waiting for a reason to put it in service
[01:41] <a5benwillis> cliebow: Shouldnt be long now for me to get a pilot in place. I just need to make sure that all the bells and wistles are in place.
[01:41] <cliebow> and there is cave hill started with libranet and ltsp ..moved to rh two years ago for the whole school
[01:41] <a5benwillis> Have you added any other software?
[01:41] <cliebow> at least he oones you know about NOW
[01:42] <cliebow> oh lord..tux*..ldap..
[01:42] <a5benwillis> Editing art Now to customize per school :-)
[01:42] <a5benwillis> .
[01:42] <cliebow> art?
[01:42] <a5benwillis> Like the log in  text etc.
[01:43] <a5benwillis> Adding the school name to the logos.
[01:43] <cliebow> ohhh i see..
[01:43] <cliebow> yes..i had an eagle on mine...prob two years since reinstall i havnt stuck it back in there
[02:05] <chino> a5benwillis:  who said im overpriced... who said i think i know things... only thing i said was i wanted to help companies mover over... jerk
[02:07] <chino> a5benwillis:  get off your high horse just cause i made one statement... there is 32 poeple in here out of the entire planet.... and i meant nothing against you ...
[02:10] <chino> you guys obviously would be the type i like... ffs
[02:11] <Malay_Linux> I am using Kopete at Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft...
[02:15] <a5benwillis> chino: I just took offense at your generalization of "IT guys in schools" and made my own geralization. Lets just leave it at that/
[02:15] <chino> yea im sorry for doing that
[02:16] <a5benwillis> that being said, you are right. Edubuntu would be great if pitched properly to school districts without the in house knowledge to do their own pilot.
[02:16] <chino> but just the ones "i" know are nice guys but either thrown into the job and never wanted it and dont know what to do or ... like the other example i made, would rather use mac but got stuck with dells and xp, and doens't know what he could have
[02:17] <chino> id really just like to consult and make some extra bucks helping the converngence
[02:17] <chino> im tired of sitting around waiting for the change when i look around me and i could help the desktop change towards linux more
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I just battled throught intergrating Edubuntu and Netware authentication in my environment.
[02:18] <chino> and ubuntu is looking to be the best desktop linux for regular people
[02:18] <chino> yea thats a big thing that novell merging with suse is gonna help
[02:18] <chino> have they not released their products outside of suse ?
[02:18] <a5benwillis> I love ubuntu, use it as my primary workstation everyday. I manage 6000+ clients and 16000 users.
[02:19] <chino> idk i tried it once when it was first starting to get notice and the whole sudo thing smacked me in the face and i said ... yea its good desktop very easy but being a linux guy id rather stick iwth my slackware that i know and doens't use sudo which i thought wasn't that hot of any idea
[02:20] <chino> but reading more and more about it now over the last 2 years and just seeing how many things work out of the box and how they are improving usuability is making me about to install it again on another box
[02:20] <chino> because running slackware on a desktop is more work than i have time to deal with these days
[02:21] <chino> plus i realy wonna see beryl in action without recompiling x lol
[02:21] <chino> so you run thin clients in your school
[02:21] <chino> ?
[02:21] <a5benwillis> I love my beryl on ubuntu.
[02:22] <chino> well tel lyou truth i doubt the thin clients need such a full blown desktop with beryl
[02:22] <cliebow> i use a little slack..some rh ubuntus breezy up..i had a bad exp with breezy at first..with network-admin  in particular..
[02:22] <a5benwillis> With twin 22" lcd's its great to have all of the workspace room
[02:22] <chino> im hoping edbuntu supports clean low footprint desktops that have ability to load apps as they need it
[02:22] <cliebow> i use all dumpster dive stuff..monitors good for only 800x600
[02:23] <chino> i just have to ask... isn't the whole sudo thing... opening the desktop for malicious programs that can simply run "sudo" to get root rights ?
[02:23] <cliebow> thin clinets  the state condemned
[02:23] <chino> what ?
[02:24] <cliebow> sudo is fine..just set a root pw if you need to..or it becomes a real pain in thebackside
[02:24] <a5benwillis> or do sudo -i
[02:25] <chino> i haven't even realy looked into it but as far as i know any user on unbuntu can just sudo away and do anything right
[02:25] <chino> ?
[02:25] <cliebow> plus you cant just sudo unless part of admin group
[02:26] <chino> i just dont want linux desktops to make mistakes and open the door for infections... users on unix type systems can allways install applications locally... what reason do they really need to ever be root ... except for the admin ?
[02:26] <cliebow> ubuntu is at least as secure as slack'
[02:26] <chino> im not doubting that im just asking
[02:26] <cliebow> sudo is a very controoled apparatus
[02:26] <LaserJock> chino: newly created users aren't given admin right by default
[02:26] <LaserJock> chino: only the initially set up user does
[02:27] <cliebow> only the user that created the install is given sudo..
[02:27] <chino> so a5benwillis are you using thin clients in your setup or do you do mass installs remotely ?
[02:27] <a5benwillis> thin clients
[02:27] <a5benwillis> old machines
[02:27] <a5benwillis> etc
[02:27] <cliebow> chino: i have a hundred thins in the high school..never more than 40 on at a timew
[02:28] <chino> cliebow:  yea well ok so lets so joe shmo sets up his new crispy unbuntu box and keeps using his main user name al the time ... hes the main user of the pc... and he doens't know any better becuase hes just joe shmoe... so he runs a program or installer that takes advantage of the sudo...  is that not what could happen ?
[02:29] <chino> a5benwillis:  what about login... are users just using guest accounts or do you have the server piped into some central authentication system ?
[02:29] <cliebow> the installer with sudo privs could do anything. no one else cold do squat
[02:29] <a5benwillis> they are authenticated via Netware NDS servers. Theyre home directories are also mapped at login so nothing is stored ont he ltsp server.
[02:29] <cliebow> new users have few priviledges
[02:29] <chino> cliebow:  yes but joe shmoe at home installed the system so he has sudo
[02:30] <LaserJock> chino: he has sudo rights, not root rights
[02:30] <LaserJock> chino: so if something needs to be run as root it asks him for a password
[02:30] <a5benwillis> chino: In ubuntu you do log in as the first user. Its a little different that regular nix
[02:30] <chino> a5benwillis:  yes thats what i was thinking of setting up... so you chose to support netware because your current infrastructure allready had it in place ?
[02:30] <cliebow> sure ..he has right to do anything..but sp doew the installer of slack ..or redhat..
[02:30] <a5benwillis> its like debian or freebsd even.
[02:31] <chino> LaserJock:  oya you can setup a password sorry i forgot... but is that on by deafult ? does the installer warn at least ?
[02:31] <a5benwillis> chino: Yes we are a BIG netware shop with windows workstations.
[02:31] <LaserJock> cliebow: right, but sudo is quite a bit better than running as root
[02:31] <LaserJock> chino: what?
[02:31] <cliebow> yes..agreed
[02:31] <LaserJock> sorry that was for chino
[02:31] <a5benwillis> also theres more control with sudo, with sudoers etc
[02:31] <chino> a5benwillis:  so how is the performance using roaming profiles ?
[02:31] <LaserJock> say you want more than one person admining a box
[02:32] <LaserJock> with a root account you would have to give the root password to all admins
[02:32] <chino> a5benwillis:  so does novel for linux also have a new login manager that controls the whole loggin business like it did on windows boxes /
[02:32] <cliebow> chino: we limit roaming to just Desktop and My zDocs
[02:32] <chino> LaserJock:  yes i get it you convinced me
[02:32] <LaserJock> with sudo there is no root password
[02:32] <a5benwillis> chino: I didnt use anything from Novel for this.
[02:32] <LaserJock> it's also logged
[02:33] <chino> a5benwillis:  oh there is open source programs for novel support ? didn't ever look into it..
[02:33] <LaserJock> so you know *who* is running *what* as root
[02:33] <cliebow> b ut ldap rocks 8`)
[02:33] <cliebow> LaserJock, ood point
[02:33] <cliebow> good even
[02:33] <chino> i think today most clients i have seen are running windows domains for central logins though... so i was thinking for that type of setup to setup the thin client image to use ldap for authentication to connect to the ms domain server
[02:34] <cliebow> yecch
[02:34] <cliebow> why mix the evil empire in?
[02:34] <chino> because thats life...
[02:34] <LaserJock> chino: we are working on LDAP support
[02:34] <cliebow> no..but ldap does it all
[02:34] <a5benwillis> I also have a MS AD Domain. But my file servers are NDS so I chose to leverage off of those. In the end I think that there are far fewer steps this way that using LDAP.
[02:34] <chino> LaserJock:  i have allready setup a linux box to login to a ldap server ... so do what do you mean your working on it ?
[02:35] <a5benwillis> I can do all of this with a single PAM module. No scripting anything etc. :-)
[02:35] <LaserJock> well, I think out-of-the-box LDAP/AD support
[02:35] <chino> cliebow:  if they have it in place allready then its good to offer the solution ... later you can port over in stages
[02:35] <cliebow> we onlyh have an aged ms domain for authentication thru the firewall
[02:35] <chino> LaserJock:  well can you seutp a ldap server side by side with a active directory server ? does this affect the domain some how ?
[02:35] <cliebow> that is where we started
[02:36] <chino> a5benwillis:  so you wrote your own pam module to handle the novel logins ????
[02:36] <cliebow> you can have 1o domains there if youy like
[02:36] <cliebow> or 10 even
[02:37] <chino> where are you guys located ?
[02:37] <cliebow> maine
[02:37] <chino> a5benwillis:  ?
[02:37] <a5benwillis> sry
[02:37] <cliebow> hotbed of ltsp
[02:37] <chino> we should just setup a consulting group
[02:37] <a5benwillis> no I found an OLD ncp pam module, hacked, erm patches SSH and made it all work together.
[02:37] <chino> im located in jersey...
[02:37] <chino> hes in maine...
[02:37] <a5benwillis> Im in SC
[02:38] <chino> a5benwillis:  lol nice hack why dont you look into the novel support ?
[02:38] <chino> a5benwillis:  South Carolina ?
[02:38] <a5benwillis> yes
[02:38] <chino> i think we could all support each other and settup a nice consulting group and we each work in local areas of course but we have the backing of all of us
[02:39] <chino> a5benwillis:  no one is looking to be overpriced to me this would be a second job... but i just like ideas... the fct that they are saving money on license's and IT support and all these things... youll find that clients wont mind paying us more than normal IT guys because were saving them substantial amount of money in operations
[02:40] <chino> and were a 1 time thing then we move out and were allways there for support if they  need us...  plus with linux lots of things could be done remotely
[02:40] <a5benwillis> no doubt
[02:40] <chino> idk im planning on trying it out my self... and you guys are examples of real world proof of concepts
[02:41] <a5benwillis> Sounds like you have a business plan.
[02:41] <a5benwillis> are you a consultant now?
[02:41] <chino> if any of you guys would be interested in throwing together a white paper together ... we could present this to clients
[02:42] <chino> no im just some college grad who loves playing with linux and open source stuff
[02:42] <chino> and the whole 9-5 really isn't my pill i believe in our generation we have lots of skills that other's dont and lots of change is present in the next few years
[02:42] <chino> we can either help it happen and make a living out of it enjoying it
[02:42] <cliebow> chino:at least once a week..i think ishould consult..but then i listen tio what the smart guys are doing here..and i say :no way i know enough
[02:43] <chino> or we can watch it blow bye and talk about it
[02:43] <chino> what are the "smart guys" doing ?
[02:43] <chino> they are only smart because they spend their time totally doing that
[02:43] <chino> whlie your running around dealing with an entire schools issues 9-5
[02:43] <a5benwillis> entire school? LOL
[02:43] <cliebow> ad these guys are more or less just doing 9-5..or is it 5-9\
[02:43] <a5benwillis> I have 16 schools
[02:43] <chino> district...
[02:43] <chino> yep
[02:44] <a5benwillis> how bout you cliebow
[02:44] <cliebow> 12
[02:44] <cliebow> plus supers offices
[02:44] <chino> so your not some small dude
[02:44] <chino> look at what you have accomplished
[02:44] <a5benwillis> but I have 9 techs and one other net eng working for me... so its not all bad.
[02:44] <chino> yea i went to school formally for networking
[02:44] <chino> program and hack around with linux on my own for like 6 years
[02:44] <cliebow> learning evry day..but i'm 57 and just out of 20 years on my own..
[02:45] <chino> oh so thats perfect dude...
[02:45] <cliebow> not all it si cracked up to be
[02:45] <chino> you work for a school your about to be retired and get your pension... then you can breeze away some time working on something like this
[02:45] <cliebow> boatbuilder til i got hurt
[02:46] <chino> you gotta stay sharp!
[02:46] <cliebow> heh..pension...no
[02:46] <chino> dont get lazy for next 20 years youll end up brain dead
[02:46] <cliebow> so someday ill retire and only work six days
[02:47] <cliebow> what keeps me sane is thre days a week summers skippering a boat
[02:47] <chino> lol
[02:47] <cliebow> and war-boating is kind of fun
[02:47] <chino> wtf ?
[02:47] <chino> a5benwillis:  how old are you ?
[02:47] <a5benwillis> 32
[02:47] <cliebow> i get my email btween sand point and norwoods cove
[02:48] <cliebow> like war driving ..but in a boat
[02:48] <cliebow> wireless antenna strapped to the searchlight
[02:48] <a5benwillis> thats funny cliebow, never heard of that
[02:48] <cliebow> been doing it for years
[02:49] <cliebow> ive been working a coast guard license sins 1973
[02:50] <chino> lollllllllllllllll
[02:50] <chino> anyway would any of you be interested in starting something ?
[02:50] <cliebow> went as private skipper for former Sec of Navy for 18
[02:51] <chino> i mean even if we dont make a company together just creating a mailing list on the subject and papers and such we can help each other grow
[02:51] <cliebow> i have to see how the new Tach Coordinator plays out this Spring
[02:51] <cliebow> but sure..cant hurt to keep in touch..im on #ltsp most of the time
[02:52] <a5benwillis> chino: I would suggest that you setup a test server yourself, you'll want to come here during the process anyway.
[02:52] <a5benwillis> We're all hear everyday.
[02:52] <chino> a5benwillis:  yes i will...
[02:52] <a5benwillis> erm here
[02:52] <cliebow> there is awesome talent in this channel..and #ltsp..
[02:53] <cliebow> humbling..
[02:53] <a5benwillis> well, I wouldnt include myself in that staement lol
[02:53] <chino> a5benwillis:  im in the planning faze though really just hypothosizing i got a few other ideas in my head too... right now im really busy with a coding project that i want to pump out quickly... and my job keeps taking up my day :[ ... so im doing things one step at a time
[02:53] <cliebow> oh..Man you are on the road...
[02:54] <chino> also nx is a great tool for talking about publishing some applications from the server directly it has excelent compression and responsivness
[02:54] <cliebow> chino:c? or perl..python..ruby?
[02:54] <chino> cliebow:  what ?
[02:54] <cliebow> i do most of my remote with nx
[02:55] <a5benwillis> chino: What do you do 9-5 niw/
[02:55] <chino> cliebow:  omg!!! its a life savor.... using vnc for more than 5 minutes gives me the runs.... but you throw on that nx and its like your sitting at the pc
[02:55] <a5benwillis> now?
[02:55] <cliebow> ohh a5benwillis has worked his tail off on his project..he's come a long way
[02:55] <cliebow> did my admin for Paris a cuople years ago..San zfrancisco..MOntreal
[02:56] <chino> a5benwillis:  well a company that is literally "down the block" offered a position doing project management for phone / data installations... so i started off as that but they just switched me into their data department so now just relearning cisco and handling the data side of it all...
[02:56] <chino> cliebow:  what do you mean your "admin" ?
[02:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah I'd love to see out of the box LDAP/AD support, actually
[02:56] <cliebow> i have it worked out so i can nx to a school.then take over any terminal in the building
[02:57] <chino> a5benwillis:  basicaly networking
[02:57] <chino> on big scales
[02:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: RSN, right? ;-)
[02:57] <cliebow> ttyl
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: shut up :P
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'd like to know how it's going to be done, and what will be used to do it
[02:58] <chino> cliebow:  see this is great stuff if you had this documented some where... and then we took a5benwillis idea's about his pam hack.... and we pool all the things we've done together we'd end up with a nice white paper on th whole subject that would sell a client on our proposition in no time... especially with real world statistics on real installations that are still operating with happy customers
[02:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Magic TM
[02:59] <ajmitch> right, explains a lot
[03:04] <chino> a5benwillis:  im gonna setup a test system adn get my self knowledgable more but we should talk in time
[03:05] <chino> perhaps a consulting group gives us the backing we need to start taking on huge projects across the country...
[03:05] <chino> could be fun
[03:06] <a5benwillis> sry got side tracked on another screen
[03:06] <chino> yea im doing 500 things
[03:07] <a5benwillis> well this chan and others are all about sharing knowledge.
[03:07] <a5benwillis> dive in and build a server. Only takes a few hours.
[03:07] <chino> yea i know
[03:08] <chino> but im talking about professional instalations and support
[03:08] <a5benwillis> need to crawl before you walk if you know what I mean.
[03:08] <chino> yae of course
[03:08] <chino> im not worth anything other wise
[03:09] <chino> ill tackle my first client on my own but once i get a client under my belt
[03:09] <a5benwillis> I work on all kinds of things daily, only have so much time to devote to *nix. I deal with M$, Cisco, Novell and hundereds of educational software packages.
[03:09] <chino> we can really talk about setting up a group and thinking bigger
[03:09] <chino> yea i undersatnd
[03:09] <chino> i like the freelance, consultant appraoch though
[03:10] <chino> i wonna have things on the side that get me out of the 9-5
[03:10] <chino> so i can quit a job and still have income
[03:18] <Malay_Linux> Hi
[03:24] <chino> hi
[07:39] <Toddedm> hey eveerryone, im trying to install Edubuntu, and its frozen... is this a common problem?
[08:48] <LaserJock> hi TeePOG
[08:48] <TeePOG> LaserJock: are you lagged, or am I lagged?
[08:49] <TeePOG> :-D
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning
[08:49] <LaserJock> not lagged, just not paying attention
[08:49] <TeePOG> ah
[08:49] <TeePOG> brb, need to install dvd writer in my machine
[11:12] <encompass> cbx33 recomended I ask you guys something
[11:12] <encompass> I need to setup a system at a university for people to use.... but wtih one condition
[11:13] <encompass> all data and settings will be back to the way we set them at login
[11:14] <encompass> my current solution is deleting the home/user/* and then letting the system restore itself each login... but there has got to be a better way
[11:14] <encompass> oh yes... and that users home dir would be a ram drive
[11:18] <cbx33> hey encompass
[11:19] <cbx33> this is my normal hide-e-hole
[11:19] <encompass> hehe cool
[11:19] <encompass> darn quite today
[11:19] <encompass> everyone must be programming for that great next release
[11:20] <cbx33> yup
[11:21] <jsgotangco> yup i can sleep easy then
[11:24] <stgraber> encompass: there is a pam module to have a temporary user profile IIRC
[11:25] <stgraber> libpam-tmpdir
[11:25] <stgraber> ubotu: !package libpam-tmpdir
[11:25] <cbx33> see told ya ma homies would be abe to help
[11:26] <encompass> hmm, guess that one is beyond me though
[11:26] <cbx33> y?
[11:26] <encompass> good job, but I have no idea how to implement something like that
[11:26] <encompass> let me google it and see what I can learn
[11:27] <cbx33> ;)
[11:27] <cbx33> go for it encompass
[11:41] <encompass> and the /tmp/data is lost on each login?
[11:41] <encompass> so the data will be over written? or will it be used until reboot
[11:42] <juliux> encompass, everything in /tmp is lost if you reboot
[11:44] <encompass> hmm then I don't think that is the ticket
[11:44] <encompass> close... really close
[11:44] <encompass> cause it has to be at each logout
[11:45] <encompass> I guess me best shot is /etc/gdm/PostSession and jsut type rm -rf /home/tempuser/
[02:34] <RichEd> "Rock Hard! Ride Free! All day, all night" <- that sounds like bragging to me ... :P
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:38] <rockprincess> hello friends! :)
[04:49] <cliebow_> anyone used edubuntu feisty on a Sony laptop? with 2.6.20 boot hangs after finding sda--memory stick drive with nothing in it t but dust
[04:55] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[04:56] <cliebow_> sbalneav:wave
[04:56] <sbalneav> hey cliebow
[04:57] <cliebow_> Hi!..Hacking?
[04:59] <sbalneav> yeah
[04:59] <sbalneav> but I'm having trouble
[04:59] <sbalneav> something shat SHOULD work, isn't
[04:59] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom fails miserably
[05:36] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:38] <cliebow_> you in Toronto?
[05:40] <sbalneav> yep
[05:40] <sbalneav> We're in the hotel room now
[05:41] <cliebow_> cool..im home..playing with sortof feisty
[05:41] <cliebow_> 2.6.20 wont load
[05:47] <igor> hi all!
[05:48] <igor> i work in a bilingual institute. And we are looking for a solution to e-learning. We want to deploy, manage, interact online with our students. Anyone is experienced with this kind of tool here?
[05:49] <igor> I reading about some tools and OLAT seems a very good one. Someone has worked with it, or any other tool?
[05:50] <sbalneav> Moodle sounds like what you need
[05:51] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:52] <igor> sbalneav: moodle has built in forum?
[05:54] <igor> sbalneav: i want learn more about scorm and ead . do you know where I can read a introduction with good examples ?
[05:56] <sbalneav> http://moodle.org/
[05:56] <igor> sbalneav: ok.. did you have worked with moodle?
[05:56] <igor> sbalneav: btw, thank you
[05:58] <sbalneav> No, I never have, although I know several of the developers
[05:58] <sbalneav> cbx33: hey pete
[05:58] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[05:58] <cbx33> sbalneav, are you a C or a C++ man?
[05:59] <igor> sbalneav: :-) im new in e-learn but old in linux management.
[05:59] <sbalneav> cbx33: C
[05:59] <cbx33> doh
[05:59] <sbalneav> I've been programming in C since 1985
[05:59] <cbx33> awesome
[06:00] <cbx33> I've been coding in python since last august :p
[06:11] <Laser_away> ogra: eubuntu-docs MIR is approved
[06:19] <cbx33> ping ogra Hehehehe
[06:41] <Burgundavia> gah
[06:41] <Burgundavia> anybody got any experience with nfs?
[06:42] <juliux> Burgundavia, yes
[06:43] <Burgundavia> juliux: I just moved my NFS server and now I get this: corey@victorianfs:~$ showmount -e
[06:43] <Burgundavia> mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered
[06:43] <Burgundavia> same subnet, same computers, same everything
[06:43] <juliux> did you restarted nfs?
[06:43] <juliux> and is portmap running?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> yep, and I have restarted nfs
[06:47] <sbalneav> mountd running?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> yep, and portmapper
[06:48] <Burgundavia> and the ldap server running on the same box works perfectly
[06:48] <Burgundavia> when I try and mount something I get: mount: RPC: Timed out
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I checked hosts.allow/deny and that hasn't change, my subnet hasn't changed
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I portscan the machine and it says nfs is up and running
[06:51] <sbalneav> got anything in /etc/exports?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, I think I know
[06:52] <Burgundavia> I had a dirty shutdown
[06:52] <Burgundavia> might there be a lock somewhere I need to cleanout?
[06:52] <juliux> Burgundavia, are you sure portmap is running?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> absolutely sure
[06:53] <Burgundavia> I even restarted it to be certain
[06:53] <Burgundavia> oh joy, /var/log/messages is filled with junk
[06:54] <Burgundavia> http://pastebin.ca/378673
[06:57] <sbalneav> looks like you need to mkdir /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
[07:01] <juliux> Burgundavia, ys76 said you should try to reboot your server
[07:01] <Burgundavia> did that
[07:03] <Burgundavia> would my date being off by 4 hours do it as well?
[07:08] <sbalneav> ogra:
[07:08] <sbalneav> ping
[07:10] <Burgundavia> juliux: further investiagation reveals that mount request is arrving
[07:29] <cbx33> hey Burgundavia
[07:29] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[07:30] <cbx33> Burgundavia, that sounds liek a dilly of a pickle you got there
[07:30] <cbx33> I've had that error before
[07:31] <cbx33> now what was it
[07:31] <cbx33> it's been working before fine?
[07:31] <cbx33> ahh
[07:32] <cbx33> are the uids of the users the same?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:33] <Burgundavia> I just checked my raid (I have /home on raid 0) and it is working fine
[07:34] <cbx33> hmm
[07:34] <cbx33> tried mounting from antoher machine?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:34] <cbx33> does that work or fail?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> fails
[07:35] <cbx33> ok so it is the server that's at fault
[07:35] <Burgundavia> it looks like the nfs server is cannot contact the portmap: Mar  2 05:23:21 victorianfs kernel: [42950766.290000]  RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
[07:35] <juliux> Burgundavia, did you check the time at your server and client?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> juliux: the time on the server is 4 hours out
[07:35] <Burgundavia> would that do it?
[07:35] <juliux> Burgundavia, perhaps
[07:35] <cbx33> good job it's not kerberos authentication :p
[07:35] <sbalneav> Are you using kerberos at all?
[07:36] <cbx33> 5 minutes :p
[07:36] <sbalneav> heh
[07:36] <cbx33> a vmware machine was gaining time
[07:36] <cbx33> and kept throwing out the authentication
[07:36] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: no, no kerberos
[07:38] <sbalneav> brb
[07:43] <Burgundavia> ok, fixing the time did nothing
[07:43] <cbx33> hmm
[07:43] <cbx33> google isn't your friend?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> not on this one
[07:43] <cbx33> heh
[07:43] <Burgundavia> according to everything I read on google, it shoudl be working
[07:44] <cbx33> http://uclibc.org/lists/busybox/2005-April/014044.html
[07:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, the time fix solved the connection issue
[07:45] <cbx33> so it's working now
[07:45] <Burgundavia> no, the "rpc failed to contact portmap" one
[07:46] <cbx33> oh i see
[07:46] <Burgundavia> it is still refusing to mount
[07:46] <cbx33> logs reveal anything now?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> only thing remaining is that  NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
[07:47] <cbx33> does it do that every time you try to connect?
[07:47] <cbx33> brb
[07:47] <Burgundavia> no, that is in /var/log/message
[07:47] <Burgundavia> +S
[07:50] <cbx33> hmm
[07:50] <cbx33> what about hen you try to connect?
[07:50] <cbx33> any log messages there?
[07:50] <cbx33> can you run the nfs server in very verbose mode?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> yep, just a sec
[07:58] <Burgundavia> I hate being an admin
[07:58] <cbx33> heh
[07:58] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia
[07:58] <cbx33> any word from mako yet?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> nope, not yet
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ok, when I shutdown the nfs server, the "cannto contact portmap" error comes back
[07:59] <Burgundavia> which leads me to believe it is a portmap error
[07:59] <cbx33> is port map running?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:00] <cbx33> can you run that in verbose mode?
[08:00] <cbx33> stop it from daemoning perhaps?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ok, that gives me nothing
[08:04] <Burgundavia> lines and lines of: server: about do a switch
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ok, that is odd
[08:10] <a5benwillis> theres just something about the name edubuntugirl that I like ;-)
[08:11] <Burgundavia> yay, it was a hosts.allow issue
[08:11] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:12] <cbx33> is taht yay
[08:12] <cbx33> or nope
[08:12] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:16] <Burgundavia> crap
[08:59] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[09:16] <cliebow_> antone esle come across probs in feisty with boot and msc memory stick?
[10:00] <AMSmith42> Is anyone here using Ubuntu in a classroom/lab environment?
[10:02] <cliebow_> i am
[10:02] <AMSmith42> How's that working for you?
[10:02] <cliebow_> seven terminals and little server in grade5
[10:02] <cliebow_> works great
[10:02] <AMSmith42> Cool.
[10:03] <AMSmith42> I'm looking to make a lab of 25 thin clients.
[10:03] <LaserJock> what grades?
[10:03] <cliebow_> they do all their science and history research..and write papers..
[10:03] <AMSmith42> K through 6
[10:03] <AMSmith42> The only problem is, they use the lab for certain apps.
[10:04] <LaserJock> cliebow_: did ever ask you for a list of apps you install after installing Edubuntu?
[10:04] <cliebow_> pxe boot?
[10:04] <cliebow_> i have simply stock install..
[10:04] <LaserJock> and that works fine?
[10:05] <AMSmith42> Do you mean do I plan to pxe boot?
[10:05] <cliebow_> i tried to push tux* in k-2 but at the time we had macintosh nubus terminals in redhat
[10:05] <cliebow_> AMSmith42, yes..cuase depending on bios double boot is failry easy
[10:05] <AMSmith42> Oooo
[10:05] <AMSmith42> That is good to know!
[10:06] <cliebow_> some bios will let you hit f12 o bring up boot menu..
[10:06] <cliebow_> etherboot is even easier..just asks local or network
[10:06] <AMSmith42> I need to order some models from my vendor to play around with and setup a couple of servers to play around with.
[10:07] <cliebow_> or just grab  a junker and put an etherboot enabled card in
[10:07] <AMSmith42> I definitely want thin clients.
[10:07] <cliebow_> ayt lest toplay with
[10:07] <AMSmith42> I just don't know which model I want.
[10:07] <AMSmith42> But now I know I want one with a pxe boot-enabled bios.
[10:08] <cliebow_> disklessworkstations directly supports ltsp..but the prices are a little rugged
[10:08] <cliebow_> etherboot is nice as well 9~)
[10:08] <AMSmith42> Hmmm...
[10:09] <AMSmith42> If I have dual boot, will it let me choose from either a windows ts or a linux ts?
[10:09] <cliebow_> yes
[10:09] <cliebow_> osx and ltsp
[10:10] <cliebow_> if you want to use ppc
[10:10] <cliebow_> even
[10:10] <AMSmith42> And either pxe or etherboot do that.
[10:10] <AMSmith42> Yes, I was considering throwing an Apple server in there, but we don't use Macs atm
[10:10] <cliebow_> for intel based yeshttp://cowbox.coe.uky.edu/stu/linux/apache/php.php
[10:10] <cliebow_> whoops
[10:11] <cliebow_> which is a good thing
[10:11] <AMSmith42> Good that we don't use Macs?
[10:11] <cliebow_> simplifies things
[10:11] <AMSmith42> Ah, yes.
[10:11] <AMSmith42> I do want some Macs for the high school journalsim/year book room.
[10:11] <stgraber> AMSmith42: As I understood you have a Windows TS on your network ?
[10:12] <cliebow_> my ltsp server has like five or six chroots and kernnels
[10:12] <AMSmith42> I do not yet have a Windows TS.
[10:12] <stgraber> ok, if you really need some Windows software you can move your clients to Linux using LTSP and LTSP servers (Edubuntu) and then add a shortcut on the desktop
[10:12] <AMSmith42> Everything here is standalone and connects to the server to share certain apps and sometimes files.
[10:12] <stgraber> that will run "rdesktop" to connect to a Windows TS server
[10:13] <AMSmith42> Oh, I see.
[10:13] <cliebow_> AMSmith42, in winders right?
[10:13] <AMSmith42> Current all of our desktops are Windows, yes.
[10:14] <AMSmith42> This rdesktop technique might give me a transition phase though.
[10:14] <stgraber> AMSmith42: I've also tried some weeks ago a software you install on the Windows Terminal Server which allow to show only a single application not the whole desktop
[10:14] <cliebow_> just boot one of em check the bios to see if pxe support is ythere
[10:15] <stgraber> that allows you for example to start Word, Encarte or anything in a window like any other software
[10:15] <AMSmith42> I just noticed today that UltraVNC can be setup to display just one app window.
[10:15] <stgraber> except it's in fact running on the server
[10:15] <AMSmith42> Possibilities abound!
[10:15] <stgraber> yes, but VNC takes a lot of bandwidth for a poor quality (only my opinion)
[10:16] <cliebow_> stgraber, i agree
[10:16] <cliebow_> you can intro linu on a winders desktop with vnc cygwin..or NX
[10:16] <AMSmith42> Among the various flavors, I like UltraVNC because it seems to be the fastest (and some of our vendor support uses it monthly).
[10:17] <AMSmith42> But, that is neither here nor there, I guess.
[10:17] <cliebow_> I use tightvnc..best for nx integratin
[10:17] <cliebow_> and i depend on the ivia-cmd function
[10:17] <cliebow_> which tight has
[10:17] <AMSmith42> Well, this conversation has given me hope.
[10:18] <AMSmith42> Thank you much.
[10:20] <cliebow_> pleasure
[10:21] <cliebow_> we double boot all our machines in one school thay defaults All to ltsp
[10:21] <cliebow_> cause of one educ app
[10:22] <stgraber> http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/ <-- That's the thing to use rdesktop for only a single app
[10:22] <AMSmith42> Thanks.
[10:26] <AMSmith42> Do you happen to have any DOS edu apps that you have to run?
[10:27] <stgraber> maybe this app will work with dosemu+freedos
[10:27] <AMSmith42> Sound is the big issue.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> It wil mostly work without sound, but we're talking about kids.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> The need sensory overload.
[10:27] <AMSmith42> lol
[10:27] <AMSmith42> er, They
[10:29] <AMSmith42> I tried dosemu. I'm working on some keyboard layout error when it starts.
[10:34] <cbx33> nn all
[10:34] <AMSmith42> bye