[14:05] <joelio> akik: yep, it has done for the past 10 years for me at least :D
[14:05] <ciaran_> I have an exernal harddrive that I was using with windows 10 and it won't work, is there anything I'm missing?
[14:05] <maid> i mean when i install an live usb stick ubuntu can i choose an onboot encryption in the setup
[14:05] <cooldharma06> k1l any suggestions
[14:05] <joelio> maid: it has full root encrtpyion that you can do at install time
[14:06] <joelio> or you can use encryptfs for home dir enc
[14:06] <maid> ok so on install i can choose full usb encryption
[14:06] <akik> then you can extend the command to change to some other user "sudo su - someother"
[14:07] <maid> so it asks me on boot for the password?
[14:07] <joelio> maid: the defaults for full disk using dm-crypt are AES-256 loopbacks afair, so pretty damn good
[14:07] <joelio> maid: yea, you can do that
[14:07] <maid> joelio is it more secure than veracrypt
[14:07] <maid> or equal
[14:07] <erebel55> hmm I setup the ssh key and it's still prompting me for password when I ssh
[14:08] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/mGpGCRR.png
[14:08] <cscf> erebel55, did you put a password on the key?
[14:08] <cscf> erebel55, you did ssh-keygen, then ssh-copy-id?
[14:09] <ubuntu_help> Hey guys,  Quick question using Ubuntu I am having a problems working with iptables I need to delete a few lines that have duplicated
[14:09] <cooldharma06> k1l: resolved my friend wrote some configuration in nova.conf so its not removing i removed and rerun that file
[14:09] <erebel55> no I made it passwordless
[14:09] <erebel55> ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -q -P ""
[14:09] <cooldharma06> now its got removed
[14:09] <erebel55> cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[14:09] <k1l> cooldharma06: sorry, was afk. ah ok. you could have forced the remove with "dpkg -r" too
[14:10] <cscf> erebel55, ok, so you generated the key, did you copy it to the server, with ssh-copy-id or otherwise?
[14:10] <maid> joelio?
[14:10] <erebel55> I copied the contents of the pub to authorized_keys
[14:10] <erebel55> after doing this http://pastebin.com/YiZFePY5
[14:11] <cooldharma06> k1l: no issue anyway thanks by that configure 777 command i got to know this
[14:12] <glass> i there a channel for hper V?
[14:12] <glass> hyper
[14:12] <croepha> trying to get into grub menu on 16.04, having trouble, i tried holding both shifts, that didn't work, any suggestions?
[14:13] <erebel55> cscf, ssh-copy-id would have saved me some time tho. I rsynced the pub and then download gpm to copy and paste the contents lol
[14:13] <joelio> maid: sorry, busy, never heard of veracrypt. dm-crypt a standard linux thing..
[14:14] <joelio> croepha: press escape
[14:14] <joelio> then edit, then crtl-f10 or something
[14:14] <erebel55> cscf, yep, that did it. thanks!
[14:16] <ubuntu_help> Hey guys,  Quick question using Ubuntu I am having a problems working with iptables I need to delete a few lines that have been duplicated
[14:17] <Jordan_U> croepha: For UEFI you need to spam escape instead.
[14:17] <cscf> joelio, veracrypt is just a truecrypt fork, FYI
[14:18] <maid>  how i set perstistence mode with an usb stick, can i do it easy in the setup or do i need tweaks like on kali
[14:18] <joelio> cscf: oh, ok - only ever needed to use dm-crypt - I suppose with that fork you can use on $OTHER_OS
[14:18] <croepha> Jordan_U, joelio: Thanks Escape did it
[14:19] <cscf> joelio, dm-crypt / LUKS is the obvious choice on Linux.  But {true,vera}crypt are the only good options I know of that are multi-platform - all 3, actually.
[14:19] <joelio> aye
[14:19] <maid> cscf is dmcrypt / luks equal to vera,true?
[14:21] <cscf> maid, ?  LUKS translates between a ciphered block device and a plaintext block device.  IIRC Truecrypt translated a ciphered block device into a plaintext filesystem
[14:21] <joelio> maid: analogous, yes.. if you need to use on multiple OS's though, you may find vera better as cscf mentioned
[14:21] <joelio> as afaik there's no dm-crypt support in osx/windows
[14:21] <cscf> There is not
[14:22] <cscf> maid, what do you need to encrypt, and do you need to use it on multiple OS's?
[14:24]  * joelio wonders why
[14:24] <joelio> d-i partman/early_command string debconf-set partman-auto/disk "$(list-devices disk | head -n1)"
[14:24] <joelio> is not being used in preseed
[14:24] <joelio> hrmmmmmmm
[14:25] <joelio> damn blade chassis and different smart arrays == /dev/sda and /dev/cciss/c0d0
[14:25] <joelio> I want to use one preseed to rule them all :)
[14:25] <cscf>  /dev/cciss/c0d0  ? :O
[14:25] <joelio> HP smart array 200
[14:25] <joelio> bag of crap :D
[14:25] <tyler_d> I'm having a chroot problem, I have a script htat does the majority of this, but upon ssh login I get "/bin/sh: Not a directory"
[14:25] <cscf> joelio, does the preseed syntax actually allow bash commands like that?
[14:26] <tyler_d> the logs indicate: http://pastebin.com/EjafzvK6
[14:26] <joelio> cscf: that example is from the advanced debian installer guide... !!!
[14:26] <cscf> Oh ok
[14:26] <joelio> so, umm, I think it should :D
[14:26] <cscf> I haven't worked with preseed
[14:26] <joelio> tyler_d: how are you chrooting
[14:27] <joelio> chroot [place} /bin/sh ?
[14:27] <cscf> joelio, are you sure that list-devices still exists on Ubuntu 16?
[14:27] <tyler_d> joelio: through sshd
[14:27] <joelio> this is trusty
[14:27] <joelio> tyler_d: not follwing, you're sshing into a chrooted ssh jail?
[14:27] <joelio> cscf: I think it does to tbh, but not checked
[14:28] <joelio> it's part of the debian-installer generally
[14:28] <joelio> will check actually, for shits and giggles
[14:28] <joelio> otherwise going to have to explicitly set the PXE config to use specific preseeds
[14:28] <joelio> which is really shitty
[14:28] <tyler_d> joelio I'm setting a script so that a newly added user is by default chrooted
[14:28] <joelio> tyler_d: why not use a jail shell ?
[14:29] <tyler_d> joelio wouldl that simply be chroot <<user>> <<dir>> or is there more to it?
[14:29] <cscf> tyler_d, sounds to me like you're calling chroot with the arguments reversed - trying to chroot into /bin/sh, rather than executing /bin/sh in the chroot dir
[14:30] <joelio> tyler_d: paste the command you're using
[14:30] <joelio> btw you can get restricted shells
[14:30] <joelio> no needs to mess to much with chroot
[14:30] <maid> hmm im watching and reading some stuff, is it true that ubuntu includes spyware?
[14:30] <joelio> so if you need to ssh in and only allow certain commands, restriced shell is what you want
[14:30] <tyler_d> joelio i'm not invoking chroot directly, its litterally through the sshd_config
[14:30] <joelio> we use it for ssh jump hosts
[14:30] <tyler_d> ChrootDirectory /home/%u/
[14:31] <maid> please some experience user tell me
[14:31] <joelio> maid: no
[14:31] <maid> are you sure? i watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
[14:31] <joelio> yes
[14:31] <cscf> maid, by default, the Dash sends your searches to Canonical.  You can turn it off with a setting, and that's that.
[14:32] <tyler_d> maid: yes I'm sure
[14:32] <maid> hmm what richard stallman says scares me
[14:33] <joelio> there used to be some Amazon thing that was included too... I wouldn't call it spyware, personally, just something that was trying to make Canonical some extra cash, if albeit a little short sighted
[14:33] <tyler_d> joelio if you wouldn't mind, what commands are needed to directly chroot or invoke chroot for that user?
[14:33] <tgm4883> cscf: it doesn't even do that by default anymore either I don't believe
[14:34] <maid> sorry but i dont want that an company knows everything i search for
[14:34] <joelio> tyler_d: dunno, I'd use rssh and a chroot to lock them down
[14:34] <joelio> google about :D
[14:34] <cscf> maid, so turn it off
[14:34] <joelio> maid: how do they know it's 'You' - it's just a hash to 'Them'
[14:34] <tyler_d> joelio so you don't know directly the error regarding sh
[14:34] <joelio> no, sorry mate
[14:34] <joelio> not used it that way
[14:34] <joelio> only via rssh
[14:34] <cscf> maid, Settings > Security and Privacy > Search > Online Off
[14:34] <tgm4883> maid: cscf in 16.04 they are disabled by default
[14:35] <tgm4883> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[14:35] <maid> its just wrong that they dont ask and you have to disable it
[14:35] <maid> what if i dont saw this video it was lucky
[14:35] <cscf> tgm4883, excellent
[14:35] <maid> so i wouldnt know it sends information to a company or what?
[14:35] <tgm4883> maid: it's already disabled by default
[14:35] <maid> strange
[14:35]  * tgm4883 thinks maid is intentially ignoring me
[14:35] <joelio> :)
[14:36] <cscf> maid, yes, it was quite a controversy at the time.  But as tgm has said, it's over now.
[14:36] <joelio> also, I use gnome generally in ubuntu so le shrug ;)
[14:36] <maid> okay
[14:37] <joelio> tyler_d: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-restricting-ssh-user-session-to-a-directory-chrooted-jail/
[14:37] <joelio> tyler_d: I'm guessing you need to symlink/copy some stuff etc
[14:38] <cscf> I would seriously consider an LXD container if you just want people to be able to ssh into a Linux box without access to your system
[14:38] <cscf> It's better isolation and it's easier to set up.
[14:38] <joelio> yea, more the merrier
[14:38] <joelio> it is effectively a chroot mind, and a namespace, and some cgroups etc etc
[14:38] <joelio> but it's bloody easy!
[14:39]  * joelio likes lxc/lxd lots
[14:39] <cscf> It's great
[14:40] <twn39> hello
[14:41] <cscf> twn39, welcome
[14:46] <TsakNorris> can someone help me please. What exactly happens when you press ctrl + alt + F1. Linux is entering not GUI environment, yes...but how it works? why it sends signal to external display also? I mean very good that it does that. Because now i can use xandr to clone my external display to be like my primary. My primary screen is toasted xD.
[14:47] <joelio> TsakNorris: that's something called a tty - you have several of these attached to a linux box generally
[14:48] <joelio> try crtl - alt - f7
[14:48] <joelio> basically the X windows (gui) is just running on top of this stuff
[14:49] <TsakNorris> joelio: i have already made my external to be my new primary. i just wanted to read more about it. Maybe there is good link somewhere about TTY:s?
[14:49] <joelio> yea, google good - https://askubuntu.com/questions/66195/what-is-a-tty-and-how-do-i-access-a-tty
[14:49] <joelio> or https://askubuntu.com/questions/481906/what-does-tty-stand-for etc
[14:50] <lifebird64> I'm on 14.04LTS. When I use the 'Software Updater' or '$ update-manager', I am not offered any 16.04LTS upgrade unless I use the -d option (development release). Isn't 16.04LTS officially a production release now!? If so, shouldn't I be offered the upgrade without specifying any options/flags? I'm a bit confused
[14:51] <joelio> lifebird64: maybe LTS releases don't offer until a point release or two
[14:51] <joelio> iron out bugs
[14:52] <lifebird64> 'point' release ?
[14:52] <alberto_80> Hello everyone
[14:52] <joelio> lifebird64: 16.04.1 for example .1 being the point release
[14:52] <lifebird64> ah.
[14:52] <lifebird64> thanks
[14:52] <joelio> hence why a -d works, as it's still treated as development
[14:53] <joelio> dunno :D
[14:53] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | lifebird64
[14:53] <lifebird64> that would all makes sense. mostly just wanted to make sure that it wasn't something I was doing wrong
[14:53] <joelio> ah good, the guessing works still
[14:54] <alberto_80> I'm trying to make Flight Gear flight simulator work on Ubuntu 16.04, but I think I set too little Swap space, because my computer has 2GB RAM and Flight Gear freezes every time I run the simulator.
[14:54] <lifebird64> ubottu = bot or human? If human... "thanks!" if a bot... "0x7468616E6B73"
[14:54] <joelio> alberto_80: swap space not a fun thing
[14:54] <joelio> add more ram if you can, it's cheap
[14:54]  * joelio tends to set vm.swappiness to 0
[14:55] <lifebird64> k1l_: thanks for the bot invoke. now I know! :)
[14:56] <alberto_80> joelio Thank you, but older versions of Flight Gear used to work fine with my 2GB RAM, I don't understand why the latest version doesn't run...
[14:56] <cscf> alberto_80, the best option would of course be more RAM, but you might be able to save a few 100MB with zram
[14:57] <alberto_80> My graphics card is an Intel GMA X4500
[14:57] <cscf> alberto_80, newer versions of games/sims almost always use more resources
[14:57] <cscf> If a game starts swapping heavily, more swap may keep it from crashing, but it won't be playable
[14:58] <alberto_80> cscf I tried to install an older Flight Gear version from www.playdeb.net, but it always installs the latest version.
[14:58] <alberto_80> I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
[14:59] <k1l_> alberto_80: swap is very very slow, since hdds are very very slow compared to the speed of todays ram. its like old 56k internet vs broadband today. so get more ram if you want a fluid system.
[14:59] <alberto_80> Thank you
[14:59] <cscf> alberto_80, you can specify a version to apt, if you really need to.  But really just get more RAM.   4GB is the minimum nowadays, even on Linux.
[15:00] <k1l_> alberto_80: you could look out for stopping other programs that use ram, like browsers etc.
[15:00] <joelio> or use lxde or something :)
[15:00] <alberto_80> joelio I'm using mate :)
[15:00] <nacc> alberto_80: i think you asked this earlier this week. What is the exact command you are trying to use to install the older version? (pastebin)
[15:01] <joelio> alberto_80: well that's probably quite memory heavy
[15:01] <alberto_80> nacc Ok, give me a minute, please. :)
[15:01] <k1l_> alberto_80: see http://wiki.flightgear.org/Hardware_recommendations  At least 2-4 Gb free RAM (and more is better: when building/buying a new system, consider 6-8gb total the absolute minimum these days). FlightGear uses more than 500 Mb of RAM by default.  I've installed network-manager-openconnect and network-manager-openconnect-gnome. Anyone know what I'm missing?
[15:12] <joelio> ubuntu_help: you can iptables-{save,restore} if needs be - but just running iptables {command to run} is enough
[15:12] <alberto_80> http://pastebin.com/SqGPDrXk
[15:13] <alberto_80> it's in castilian spanish, though
[15:13] <nacc> alberto_80: yeah, try `apt-get -f install`
[15:13] <alberto_80> nacc ok :)
[15:13] <nacc> alberto_80: (sudo)
[15:13] <joelio> ubuntu_help: check it's take be doing an #sudo iptables -L -n -v
[15:13] <joelio> bad english there..
[15:14] <nacc> heh
[15:14] <joelio> ubuntu_help: check the command has been taken by doing an #sudo iptables -L -n -v
[15:14] <master_> hello
[15:14] <ubuntu_help> joelio so here is my issue i am trying to route through the box but im not getting the routing to work any ideas im doing iptables -t nat -a prerouting -i eth0 -p tcp -d "boxip" --dport 123 -j dnat --to "destination:port" does that look right
[15:15] <joelio> ubuntu_help: looks ok, to check
[15:15] <joelio> use iptables -L -v -n -t nat
[15:15] <alberto_80> nacc It installs the latest version: http://pastebin.com/R3m1hEYm
[15:15] <joelio> ubuntu_help: as you're suing a nat chain
[15:15] <joelio> *using
[15:15] <nacc> alberto_80: so we might need to purge the existing one out, first
[15:15] <nacc> alberto_80: so let's try this
[15:15] <nacc> alberto_80: `sudo apt-get purge flightgear`
[15:16] <alberto_80> nacc ok
[15:16] <ubuntu_help> joelio it is showing it in there
[15:16] <nacc> alberto_80: `sudo dpkg -i flightgear_3.0.0-1~getdeb1_amd64.deb`
[15:16] <joelio> ubuntu_help: so it's aliiiiive
[15:16] <nacc> alberto_80: `sudo apt-get -f install`
[15:16] <joelio> if it's valid, of course :D
[15:16] <ubuntu_help> joelio so any ideas why it aint working
[15:16] <nacc> actually, that might be the issue, anyways, alberto_80, i'm realizing
[15:17] <nacc> alberto_80: you might need to pin flightgear so it doesn't upgrade it via apt
[15:17] <joelio> nacc: yea, won't downgrade it
[15:17] <joelio> ubuntu_help: one mo
[15:17] <joelio> I'd do an apt-get clean too
[15:17] <joelio> make sure it's not in dpkg cache
[15:17] <nacc> joelio: good point
[15:17] <fsociety[00]dat> I am sometimes getting this error " http://ix.io/QFz " how can I fix? Please help :)
[15:17] <nacc> alberto_80: let me paste you the set of commands to do
[15:17] <alberto_80> nacc Ok, thank you very much.
[15:22] <joelio> ubuntu_help: I think you're missing --to-destination
[15:22] <nacc> alberto_80: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17145231/
[15:22] <nacc> alberto_80: what that basically is doing is saying you specifically want to keep flightgear at 3.0.0-1~getdeb1 regardless of what is in Ubuntu's archives
[15:22] <ubuntu_help> its --to-destination xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx not --to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?
[15:23] <alberto_80> nacc Thank you very much indeed.
[15:23] <alberto_80> nacc I'm going to try that
[15:23] <joelio> ubuntu_help: I think so.. similar to
[15:23] <joelio> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 123 -j DNAT --to-destination "dest:port"
[15:23] <joelio> or something
[15:24] <nacc> alberto_80: if you want to read about it, there's also a notion of apt 'holds', (see `man apt-mark`) that can do something similar, via a different mechanism (the pinning policy is more flexible)
[15:24] <ubuntu_help> let me try that hold on
[15:24] <joelio> ubuntu_help: yea, I could be off the mark, but worth checking
[15:24] <joelio> also get out wireshark or tcpdump etc to check
[15:26] <john__> hi to all
[15:26] <ubuntu_help> joelio still no glory
[15:27] <john__> is there anyone on here tonight feeling generous enough to help me with my issue. I am in the middle of a newbie and tech with ubuntu
[15:27] <john__> I have learnt some stuff\
[15:27] <joelio> ubuntu_help: sorry, that's where my iptables stops today, need to get on with my work :D
[15:27] <john__> There is soooooo much to learn
[15:27] <joelio> ubuntu_help: good luck with it
[15:27] <joelio> john__: first rule of irc, don't ask to ask.... ask!
[15:28] <ubuntu_help> all good thanks for your help ++
[15:28] <joelio> np
[15:28] <john__> lol okay well i am learning
[15:28] <john__> i have this weird issue with my two internal hard drives, the issue does not affect my boot up drive
[15:28] <alberto_80> nacc It didn't work, it keeps installing this current year's version
[15:28] <Tex_Nick> john__: second irc rule is to be as specific as you can
[15:29] <nacc> alberto_80: can you pastebin `apt-cache policy flightgear` ?
[15:29] <john__> when I boot up into the desktop running 14.04 LTS and I open the file manager. Both my 1TB internal and 2TB do not auto mount. I must click on each drive name to mount them
[15:30] <john__> I have checked the mount settings in the gnome-disk-utility 3.10.0 and can not find the correct settings to fix this
[15:30] <joelio> john__: drive mounting on linux controllev via /etc/fstab - sometimes on desktops there are helpers
[15:30] <john__> i do not get this issue with my external USB 2TB
[15:30] <joelio> but /etc/fstab is always the way
[15:31] <alberto_80> nacc http://pastebin.com/3AiT1480
[15:31] <k1l_> johnif you want automount, but the into the /etc/fstab
[15:32] <john__> kil, I am sort of with you can you elaborate al little
[15:32] <john__> I get the hint you are talking about a command line
[15:33] <k1l_> john__: the fstab is a file where it tells the system on boot what to mount where. your system partitions are put in there. you can put your other partitions in there too, so they will be mounted at startup
[15:34] <john__> okay got it, now how do open the ect/fstab can open that in gedit
[15:34] <joelio> cscf: heh, preseed does work after all - I just was pushing the wrong branch in git... FML </noob>
[15:34] <kshenoy> Openconnect not showing up in network manager... Any suggestions?
[15:35] <cscf> joelio, lol
[15:35] <nacc> alberto_80: can you run the same steps again, but stop after adding the preferences file and running `apt-cache policy flightgear` at that point?
[15:35] <john__> k1l_: is the fstab file fstab.d or just fstab as I can not find just fstab?
[15:35] <nacc> alberto_80: (maybe an apt-get update first)
[15:36] <Tex_Nick> john__: sudo gedit or if you have gksu installed gksu gedit
[15:36] <alberto_80> nacc ok :)
[15:37] <k1l_> john__: its /etc/fstab
[15:39] <john__> k1l_: Yes got that cheers taking a look now
[15:39] <k1l_> !fstab | john__
[15:40] <alberto_80> nacc Same result here
[15:40] <alberto_80> :(
[15:40] <nacc> alberto_80: same policy output?
[15:41] <alberto_80> nacc Yes, unfortunately
[15:41] <nacc> alberto_80: can you pastebin `cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/flightgear` ?
[15:41] <tyler_d> what is the syntax to chroot an entire user? i've gone ahead and copied the entire contents of / over to where I want them jailed, but need the syntax?
[15:42] <alberto_80> nacc http://pastebin.com/ieuWTaim
[15:43] <nacc> alberto_80: syntax error, i think, no leading spaces (sorry, was trying to make clear what to put in the file in my paste)
[15:43] <kl23> Hi all, i read online i can NOT move window controls to right position (running Xenial). Could you please confirm ?  Thanks
[15:43] <moat_joe> Does everything in /etc/security/limits.d get read without needing an include limits.d/* in limits.conf ?
[15:43] <k1l_> kl23: yes. its hardcoded.
[15:43] <alberto_80> nacc Ok, sorry, I'll fix that.
[15:44] <kl23> k1l_: Thanks
[15:47] <john__> k1l_: is it possible while I am fixing the fstab file I could damage a partition
[15:47] <alberto_80> nacc Ok, I fixed it, but I get the same policy output when I type "apt-cache policy flightgear"
[15:48] <hdon> hi all :) ubuntu seems to like to do a lot of things its own way. are there specific tools ubuntu community prefers to use for manipulating LVM, MD, and the like? partprobe keeps telling us we need to reboot and i wonder if there isn't some common ubuntu thing that we're not playing nice with and we're stepping on each other's toes.
[15:48] <nacc> alberto_80: hrm, strange. Let's try one last thing. Go to the point of dpkg -i. Then run `apt-mark hold flightgear; apt-get -f install` ?
[15:48] <ikonia> hdon: what ubuntu only way are you talking about ?
[15:48] <alberto_80> nacc Ok
[15:49] <hdon> ikonia, i don't know, that's why i'm asking :)
[15:49] <ikonia> hdon: ubuntu uses mostly standard tools from across all distros, with only a few canonical ubuntu specific deviations
[15:49] <hdon> ah ok, thanks
[15:49] <hdon> any idea why partprobe keeps giving us this error?
[15:49] <john__> ubottu: is it possible while I am fixing the fstab file I could damage a partition
[15:49] <ikonia> what error ?
[15:49] <ikonia> john__: fstab is a file - how would it damage a partition ?
[15:50] <joelio> hdon: it may not be an error
[15:50] <john__> thanks ikonia
[15:50] <joelio> hdon: if you've changed the parition tables then sometimes you'll get that message..
[15:51] <joelio> if you're not doing anything, then that's something to investigate
[15:51] <alberto_80> nacc Flightgear set as retained.
[15:51] <hdon> well we're partitioning and stuff
[15:51] <joelio> so.... :)
[15:51] <hdon> but i'm unsure why partprobe(1) would tell us this
[15:51] <ikonia> partitioning and stuff....
[15:51] <ikonia> come on
[15:51] <ikonia> hdon: are you changing partitions on a disk that is in use in anyway ?
[15:52] <ikonia> and that includes being part of a raid device with metadata being maintained
[15:52] <alberto_80> nacc http://pastebin.com/eVMWsqGk
[15:52] <craigbass76> I've got 16.04, but can't seem to find ssvncviewer in the repos. Where'd she go?
[15:53] <hdon> ikonia, well if it were a normal file, i could use lsof to find if anything is using it, but i'm unsure what to do with partitions
[15:53] <tyler_d> ikonia how did you chroot jail your users? I'm not quite wrapping my head around that process for new users when they login
[15:53] <ikonia> tyler_d: I've not chroot jailed my users
[15:53] <joelio> hdon: "Everything is a file"
[15:53] <ikonia> hdon: what are you talking about ????
[15:53] <hdon> ikonia, would lsof and mount cover every possible case?
[15:53] <ikonia> lsof ????
[15:53] <ikonia> if you're looking at lsof it must be mounted
[15:54] <hdon> joelio, everything is a file, but lsof won't say if a kernel module has mounted a filesystem on a given partition, will it? i thought lsof only looked at userland processes
[15:54] <ikonia> kernel module mounted a file system ???
[15:54] <ikonia> hdon: is the disk you are trying to partition in use in any way, mounted, maintaining a raid meta data status
[15:54] <joelio> hdon: you're not making much sense tbh dude
[15:55] <ikonia> it's an easy question, with a yes/no respones
[15:55] <joelio> plus not sure what you're trying to do - in the grand scheme
[15:56] <nacc> alberto_80: ah sorry, the 'holds' wont' change the policy
[15:56] <nacc> craigbass76: ssvncviewer? no such package in ubuntu, afaict
[15:56] <joelio> nacc: yea, may need to pin - but I'd check there's not another source listetd in /etc/apt/sources.list{.d/thing.list}
[15:57] <nacc> craigbass76: you mean ssvnc?
[15:57] <joelio> nacc: although could be that the package installs the source repo lol
[15:57] <craigbass76> nacc, I just found it -- yes ssvnc. Any idea how to grab it without getting openjava?
[15:57]  * joelio not checked
[15:57] <craigbass76> It's on a box that has to use Sun's java
[15:57] <alberto_80> nacc It says it depends on libopenscenegraph80 among others... But these packages are no longer available in Ubuntu 16.04
[15:57] <yaxxino> Hi there , i have problem, it says " failed to start light display manager " when i boot , i get directly to the shell propmpt , what can i do ??
[15:58] <joelio> craigbass76: is it just a vnc client? just use reminna or somethng
[15:58] <joelio> java, yuk :D
[15:58] <joelio> it's not the greatest but - http://www.remmina.org/wp/
[15:58] <joelio> available in apt
[15:59] <nacc> alberto_80: ah, so that changed something, at least :)
[15:59] <craigbass76> joelio, It was the only one I could find that scaled. I'll try the other one
[15:59] <nacc> alberto_80: and means you can't use that package in 16.04 :/
[15:59] <nacc> alberto_80: not easily, at least
[15:59] <yaxxino> should i reinstall light display manager or start it manually ??
[15:59] <joelio> craigbass76: "Remote desktops with higher resolutions are scrollable/scalable in both window and fullscreen mode.
[15:59] <alberto_80> nacc Ok, I understand
[15:59] <john__> Is there a reason why my new 2TB 3.5" internal drive, that I installed today can NOT be formatted with a smaller than 2TB partition. There are no options to resize when creating a partition. In fact it does not even allow me to create a partition. It only allows me to format and forces me to use the entire size of the drive
[16:00] <yaxxino> ?
[16:00] <alberto_80> nacc Should I build FlightGear 3.0.0 from source, then?
[16:00] <joelio> alberto_80: I'd just get more ram dude and upgrade :D
[16:00] <nacc> alberto_80: i mean, it'll need the same deps, i presume
[16:01] <nacc> yaxxino: i don't understand why reinstall or start are the choices?
[16:01] <alberto_80> Ok, thank you very much for your help. :)
[16:01] <joelio> john__: you can partition a drive whatever size you want
[16:01] <joelio> try gparted
[16:01] <yaxxino> nacc ; so what can i do, am a noob sorry
[16:01] <nacc> john__: what doesn't let you change the paritions?
[16:02] <yaxxino> nacc; would upgrading fix the problem ?
[16:02] <yaxxino> ?
[16:02] <joelio> yaxxino: apt-get install lightdm --reinstall
[16:02] <nacc> yaxxino: i don't what the problem is, so it's hard for me to say
[16:03] <joelio> yaxxino: that'll give you lightdm installed
[16:03] <joelio> and will allow you to chose
[16:03] <joelio> of course, YMMV!
[16:03] <yaxxino> joelio ; chose what ??
[16:03] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a problem with Kubuntu, but I think it may be related to Ubuntu as well. I have installed Kubuntu 16.04 on a laptop and forgot the password. I tried to change it via grub and the root-console (which seemed to work) but now when I enter the password on the graphical login-screen, all buttons become greyed out and nothing else happens (besides the cursor becoming an X). And ideas what could have
[16:03] <Mrokii> gone wrong?
[16:04] <joelio> yaxxino: choose youre display manager and alos, if you have gdm, allow you to set gdm or lightdm to be the window login manager
[16:04] <joelio> man my grammar is bad today
[16:04] <Erige> Quick question. I echo my /sys/devices/platform/dell-laptop/leds/dell\:\:kbd_backlight/stop_timeout to be 10m which sticks until I reboot. On reboot its set back to 1m, any way to make this setting stick?
[16:06] <yaxxino> nacc: the problem is that it fails to start lightdm , when i boot up !
[16:06] <Erige> Mrokii: Did you have encryption or anything turned on?
[16:06] <john__> Can anyone help me with this issue  Is there a reason why my new 2TB 3.5" internal drive, that I installed today can NOT be formatted with a smaller than 2TB partition. There are no options to resize when creating a partition. In fact it does not even allow me to create a partition. It only allows me to format and forces me to use the entire size of the drive
[16:06] <ikonia> john__: how are you partitioning it ?
[16:07] <john__> ext4
[16:07] <john__> have no need for ntfs etc
[16:07] <Mrokii> Erige: I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I had just freshly installed Kubuntu on the lap.
[16:07] <ikonia> john__: no, I mean how are you actually trying to partition it ?
[16:07] <john__> only use ubuntu
[16:07] <enon> On to a different subject I 'm in the process of installing the recommened packages of the unbutu packaging guide. my question on a single user system is there any benifit to installing apt-file cache in system vs user areas?
[16:07] <yaxxino> nacc: i said how about upgrading, would that fix the issue ??
[16:07] <Erige> Morkii: If its a fresh install, maybe just reinstall to set new password?
[16:08] <ikonia> enon: I do'nt see why
[16:08] <john__> Oh sorry using the disk manager gnome-disk-utility 3.10.0
[16:08] <joelio> yaxxino: hence why I put the --reinstall line ;)
[16:08] <ikonia> john__: install and launch gparted
[16:08] <ikonia> john__: you'll get bet error output if there is a real problem
[16:08] <john__> okay
[16:08] <Mrokii> Erige: I am thinking about that, yes.
[16:08] <yaxxino> joelio , yes i will try it , i just want to make sure , cause i have to get out of irssi , to run the command ..
[16:09] <nacc> yaxxino: i don't know, it seems like joelio is helping
[16:09] <Erige> john_: gnome-disk-utility you have to set the size in MB when formatting try using gparted
[16:09] <enon> ikonia, I'm new to debian/ubuntu packaging being used to rpm on fedora so I don't know
[16:09] <yaxxino> yaxxino: i"ll try the command and get back to you , thanks!
[16:10] <yaxxino> joelio!
[16:10] <Erige> Morkii: That is what I would do, easier than trying to trying to fix it, since its a fresh install.
[16:11] <Mrokii> Erige: Probably, yes.
[16:11] <john__> ikonia: thanks installing gparted, i am trying to edit my fstab file to make my internal 1TB and 2TB auto mount. There is no reference to the two drives at all. I have never edited the fstab file before Can you help me with some simple questions
[16:11] <nacc> enon: well, one needs sudo to write and one doesn't
[16:12] <meh__> how could  i  disable sme characteristics of chromium "editing the rules file"?
[16:12] <meh__> https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/blob/master/build_templates/debian/rules  this si what i need  "or update this rules file to the  quilt api"
[16:12] <Erige> john_: here is also a good referance https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[16:13] <john__> Erige: Yes I am reading that, Although I can not find out if between the text in the coloumns do I use a TAB or space?
[16:14] <nacc> meh__: are you building the package yourself?
[16:14] <enon> nacc, good point but I installed the packages with sudo and apt-file which was called by the install process installed to usr home directory on I missing something?
[16:15] <nacc> enon: not apt-file itself, but where the cache lives. to update the system cache you need to run `sudo apt-file update`. Otherwise it will update/create the per-user one (iirc)
[16:15] <enon> er am instead of on
[16:16] <Erige> john_: It doesnt matter, I usually space things out to line up with the other entries
[16:18] <enon> nacc, ok so I have to run apt-file purge as user then sudo apt-file update -thanks
[16:19] <nacc> enon: right, and reading the cache can be done w/o sudo, it's just updating it
[16:20] <hdon> ikonia, it's not mounted
[16:20] <hdon> joelio, sorry
[16:20] <ikonia> hdon: wasn't my full question
[16:20] <alxpa> How do I find the IP I use for local ssg
[16:20] <alxpa> Ssh
[16:20] <enon> nacc, I get -just peaved about the extr step but am glad I asked
[16:21] <alxpa> I typed ifconfig and lo and wlan0 are the two things that come up
[16:21] <john__> Erige cool thanks, First time I am trying to edit this file, did not know it even existed until tonight, can you help me with the Options
[16:22] <klorrn> I have s=big folders and i want to burn them in DVD , how can i do that in ubuntu ???
[16:22] <Erige> john_:  Sure I just came back from arch linux so fstab is pretty simple lol
[16:24] <klorrn> i have Xfburn but  it's very complicated , any help please ..
[16:24] <Erige> john_: Is it a standard hard drive?
[16:24] <john__> Erige: okay give me a minute I am still working it out, Want to see if I can get it right
[16:24] <Erige> john_: Sounds good
[16:25] <klorrn> is there a simper burning software instead of xfburn ??
[16:26] <Faresislam> hi
[16:26] <UserUS> klorrn: poweriso
[16:27] <klorrn> UserUS : can i burn whole directory , or i need to compress the files first ??
[16:28] <UserUS> klorrn: you can do a directory, even make an iso from it and build your own with it
[16:29] <john__> Erige: you still here I am ready now
[16:29] <Erige> john_; O am
[16:29] <Erige> john_: I am
[16:29] <john__> not sure about a few commands and the order of the options but will show what i have so far
[16:30] <joelio> klorrn: cdrecord, lol..
[16:30] <john__> # /dev/sdb	/mnt/sdb	ext4	auto,nosuid,user,exec,rw,async
[16:30] <john__> Erige: # /dev/sdb	/mnt/sdb	ext4	auto,nosuid,user,exec,rw,async
[16:31] <joelio> klorrn: it's called wodim or something now afair
[16:31] <john__> that includes the device and mount as I am not sure about those either
[16:31] <joelio> can't get simpler than that
[16:31] <joelio> john__: so have you tried to run #sudo mount -a ?
[16:32] <john__> joelio: No will that set the drive to auto mount everytime I boot
[16:32] <Erige> john_:  If you have the # That is  comment so that line would be ignored. Also I would recommend using the UUID becuase /dev/sdb can change upon boots
[16:33] <joelio> yea, what Erige said - you can get the UUID from #blkid
[16:33] <joelio> and anything set in /etc/fstab will mount (unless the specific mount has an option telling it not too, like _netdev for network devices.. sometimes you don't want to wait to mount them if you're offline etc)
[16:36] <john__> joelio or Erige: what should the dump column and pass column have?
[16:36] <dbz2k> I really dont how to fix this qt app error "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40807) with this library (version 0x40806)"
[16:37] <Erige> I would use 0 and 1
[16:38] <john__> Erige what is the suid/nosuid do, Not sure what to use?
[16:40] <Erige> john_: Those are for user ids I wouldnt use them
[16:41] <adminisnotadmin> what up
[16:41] <winston2k> hello
[16:41] <hdon> ikonia, when you ask about raid metadata, what do you mean? is that the data in the partition that MD uses to automatically assemble your RAIDs?
[16:42] <john__> Erige: Okay so far I have this let me know what you think
[16:43] <john__> /dev/sdb	/mnt/sdb	ext4	auto,nosuid,user,exec,rw,async,dev	0	1
[16:43] <john__> Erige: just about to get the UID in there
[16:45] <ducasse> john__: auto, exec, rw, async and dev are default on - you don't need to set them explicitly.
[16:46] <Erige> john_: I would replace all your options with default
[16:46] <Erige> lol
[16:46] <Erige> yeah that
[16:47] <john__> Erige: Huh? confused now, this is what i have so far: UUID=654eb5e5-fb9c-447d-a0ee-5cc7c0b53c36	/mnt/654eb5e5-fb9c-447d-a0ee-5cc7c0b53c36	ext4	auto,nosuid,user,exec,rw,async,dev	0	1
[16:47] <Erige> john_: also relatime, or noatime would be usefull. Is it a SSD?
[16:47] <john__> Normal HDD NOT a SSD
[16:48] <Erige> john_: you dont need the /mnt....... also replace your options with default,relatime
[16:48] <ducasse> john__: you don't need to mount at /mnt/654eb...etc, you can use whatever you want, like /storage
[16:49] <john__> Erige: okay give me minute to fix it up
[16:49] <JackJackson> Hello all. I am on Ubuntu gnome and I would like to know how I can completely remove mumble, this includes saved servers, certificates and so on.
[16:49] <Erige> ducasse: Thanks, thats a bit clearer than what i said
[16:50] <Erige> JackJackson: sudo apt-get purge mumble
[16:50] <JackJackson> I did that Erige, but it was still able to remember my previous cert and saved servers?
[16:50] <Erige> Do you have to login with an account?
[16:51] <john__> Erige: How is this now: UUID=654eb5e5-fb9c-447d-a0ee-5cc7c0b53c36	/mnt/2TBSEA-INT	ext4	default,relatime	0	1
[16:51] <Erige> john_: Looks perfect
[16:51] <JackJackson> Yes Erige I believe so
[16:51] <teward> JackJackson: look for something starting with a . in the folder name with 'mumble'.  Per-user configuration settings and data are stored in user accounts, so you would have to erasify that data folder
[16:51] <teward> it'd be in your home folder
[16:51] <john__> Awesome do I need to restart to test this?
[16:51] <Erige> That would be the best
[16:51] <JackJackson> the admin of the mumble server will remove my old account so I can make a new one
[16:52] <ducasse> john__: 'sudo mount -a'
[16:52] <JackJackson> teward: unable to find .mumble in home folder
[16:52] <john__> Erige: will the sudo gedit command allow me to make the change to fstab when I save my changes?
[16:52] <Erige> john_: I would get gksu
[16:52] <Erige> and use gksudo
[16:54] <john__> Erige: Huh, so the app to download is gksu and the command is gksudo? sounds really confusing
[16:55] <teward> JackJackson: it may be inside .config/ then with the name 'mumble', but I'm not going to hand-hold to find it.  Most things in the user space will store things there.
[16:56] <squinty> JackJackson,  if you are using a file manager, such as nautilus, to look for .mumble, make sure that "show hidden files" is turned on in the file manager.
[16:56] <Erige> yeah
[16:56] <Erige> sudo apt-get install gksu
[16:56] <JackJackson> Found it https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Client_Settings
[16:56] <Erige> You use gksudo for and graphical program that needs sudo rights
[16:57] <Erige> so gksudo gedit
[16:57] <Erige> but sudo nano since its command line based
[16:57] <john__> sudo nano?
[16:57] <john__> i thought sudo gedit was enough to write to the fstab file? Am I wrong?
[16:58] <john__> Erige : I thought sudo gedit was enough to write to the fstab file? Am I wrong?
[16:58] <squinty> nano = terminal text editor
[16:58] <tgm4883> john__: generally using sudo with graphical applications is a bad idea
[16:59] <Erige> john_: It can cause some issues, I just use sudo as terminal commands and gksudo for graphical programs
[16:59] <john__> Erige: okay got ya now i am get it thanks
[17:00] <Erige> john_: no problem
[17:00] <kshenoy> What's the difference between the i3 and i3-wm package?
[17:01] <ikonia> ones the window manager, ones the desktop
[17:01] <blinkyb> Hi. Please how can i change the background on the lock screen for Ubuntu MATE?
[17:02] <ioria> !info i3 | kshenoy
[17:03] <kshenoy> !info i3-wm
[17:03] <kshenoy> ioria: ikonia: Got it. Thanks
[17:03] <ioria> kshenoy, np
[17:04] <ioria> kshenoy,  for info about metapackage https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[17:08] <john__> Erige: How come on my 2TB internal it will only format to 1.82TB it is using 200GB for something not sure what?
[17:08] <Erige> john_: because in computer world 1024mb is a gig and in the retail world 1000mb is a gig
[17:09] <Erige> so take 1000X2000
[17:09] <Erige> devide it by 1024 = actual size
[17:09] <ekansh> Hello?
[17:09] <ioria> could be the lost+found , but 200 is a lot
[17:09] <JackJackson> Hey, another Mumble on Ubuntu question. When I want to add a server I don't see any password fields?
[17:10] <john__> Erige: lol I remember that now, Sorry. So just about ready to reboot will catch ya on the flip side  hope it all works, thanks for your help so far
[17:11] <kshenoy> I want to connect to VPN using network manager so I installed openconnect, network-manager-openconnect and network-manager-openconnect-gnome. However, I can't find the option to create a new Cisco Anyconnect VPN connection under Network Manager > Edit Connections > Add. What am I missing here?
[17:12] <ducasse> kshenoy: did you restart network manager?
[17:13] <kshenoy> ducasse: I restarted ubuntu itself. Is that  sufficient?
[17:14] <john__> Eriga: What partition table should I choose for this drive I am suing Gparted as the default disk manager from install would not allow me to specify the partition size?
[17:15] <ikonia> gpt for a big disk
[17:15] <ikonia> y
[17:15] <ikonia> oop
[17:16] <john__> ikonia: thanks, what about the Align to: MIB/cylinder/None?
[17:16] <ikonia> up to you
[17:17] <ikonia> you're not going to have a problem with that size of a disk
[17:17] <john__> ikonia: should i just take the default options without chnaging anything?
[17:17] <ikonia> unless you have reason to change something
[17:17] <john__> will just leave it then as I do not know what difference they make
[17:17] <ducasse> john__: most tools these days align automatically.
[17:21] <ubuntu293> How do I access my drives from ubuntu live_
[17:21] <baizon> ubuntu293: mount them
[17:21] <ubuntu293> how
[17:22] <ubuntu293> theres no option to mount them in gparted
[17:22] <compdoc> try the Disks util
[17:22] <baizon> ubuntu293: https://askubuntu.com/questions/177825/how-to-mount-an-external-hdd
[17:27] <ubuntu293> weird that it works all of a sudden.. anyway, when chosing guided installation, this happens http://i.imgur.com/sC6myV1.jpg?1
[17:27] <ubuntu293> why does it want sdd_
[17:27] <ubuntu293> I just want it to install on sdc
[17:29] <ubuntu293> Id much rather use the guided installation cause Ill probably fail with manual
[17:31] <k1l_> ubuntu293: dont install 15.04. that is already outdated. load a 15.10 or better 16.04 iso and install that from the start
[17:32] <ubuntu293> k1l_: why not just upgrade after instead of spending time having to find another disc to load the new one ont
[17:33] <zkop> was convinced to try ubuntu, but can't connect to wifi - keeps throwing me into an endless loop of "authentication required by wi-fi network"
[17:33] <zkop> pls
[17:33] <k1l_> ubuntu293: yes, that works, too. but i the days of usb-pendrives that should not be such an issue. since upgrading to 15.10 will take some time to load all updates.
[17:33] <reisio> zkop: type your password correctly
[17:34] <zkop> I did
[17:34] <ubuntu293> I dont have a usb, so ill it afterwards then, thanks anyway
[17:34] <posi> How does one disable core dumps in #ubuntu
[17:34] <ubuntu293> but right now I cant install it anyway, since it wants to use sdd as seen in my image, and I dont know why
[17:35] <k1l_> ubuntu293: it doesnt.it talks about scsi3 which is sdc
[17:35] <k1l_> but i dont know why it lists scsi5 (sdd) there.
[17:35] <ubuntu293> yeah thats what im wondering
[17:35] <ubuntu293> id rather not take any chances
[17:36] <ubuntu293> ill just install it manually then, what partitions do I need to make on a clean drive, the guids I followed havent worked
[17:37] <k1l_> 3 partitions: / ext4, /home ext4 and swap. i would say 15GB for /, swap = ram, rest for /home
[17:37] <odroid> hi
[17:39] <ubuntu293> k1l_: no boot or anything? also where are programs installed, is it in /home or /
[17:39] <reisio> /
[17:40] <k1l_> no, boot is not neccessary. and programs are installed on /, when they are installed through the ubuntu repos.
[17:40] <ubuntu293> so itll be just like my windows then, not being able to install anything cause quote C quote was only given so much memory
[17:41] <ubuntu293> is there a way to not have such a limit, as I only see it being annoying in the future
[17:41] <dax> if you don't want a separate /home partition, just make a / partition
[17:42] <k1l_> ubuntu293: you can just make / and swap if you like then.
[17:43] <k1l_> but 15Gb for a regular desktop install is quite plents. dont compare to the windows install sizes. ubuntu uses way less space for the system than windows.
[17:43] <ubuntu293> but I assume theres a reason to do it like you said isnt there? i know in windows its only an annoyance and doesnt make anything easier, but idk about ubuntu
[17:44]  * reisio only ever does / & swap
[17:44] <reisio> ubuntu293: some people think a separate /home makes reinstalls simpler
[17:44] <dax> people recommend separate /home so that reinstalls are easier. i don't bother and just restore from backups on reinstall
[17:44] <k1l_> yes. you seperate userdata from system. so in case of reinstall you can keep all userdata/configs. but i guess you just want / and swap then.
[17:44] <dax> because if you don't have good enough backups to do that, you should fix that problem.
[17:44] <reisio> ubuntu293: but it doesn't /really/
[17:45] <reisio> and reinstallation isn't something you should really be bothering with unless you change architecture
[17:45] <xangua> Or distro :-(
[17:45] <k1l_> but a full / is way less drastic as it is on windows.
[17:46] <ubuntu293> my windows C is 120gb and I install everything I can on other drives
[17:46] <reisio> yeah, all those shared deps
[17:46] <ubuntu293> Nor do I store anything on C
[17:46] <reisio> mmm
[17:46] <reisio> sounds like you just want / and swap
[17:46] <k1l_> ubuntu293: that is way different on ubuntu as i told already.
[17:46] <reisio> though as k1l_ says it is less of a concern
[17:46] <reisio> but there's also no issue using only / & swap
[17:46] <Guest60182> I know sound in linux was originally OSS that you could write to the dev's files like /dev/dsp. Then eventually  OSS got replaced with the ALSA sound architecture . My issue is what changes so that you cann't write directly to device files to play sound. I have seen the devices files are under /dev/snd/ folder
[17:46] <k1l_> make a cointoss :)
[17:47] <reisio> Guest60182: you can; /nick soundguy
[17:47] <ubuntu293> ext4 right
[17:47] <k1l_> Guest60182: its pulseaudio since some time now
[17:47] <SaintMoriarty> Hello, I am running out of space because of my /var/lib/mysql/ folder and wanted to see how i can mount it to my /bigstorage/mysql which is another drive.
[17:47] <SaintMoriarty> Can I get some direction please. I am not sure if I should be using mount bind or symlink ....
[17:48] <Guest60182> I have used /proc to analysis the different device files to know which /dev/pcmxxx are sinks and which are sources  so i know i got the correct device files to send things to i just get write option invalid or permission denid
[17:48] <reisio> SaintMoriarty: some other things you might do to reclaim space first
[17:48] <tgm4883> SaintMoriarty: if you don't get an answer here, you might try #ubuntu-server I would usually do a symlink, but I'm unsure if that would cause any issues with mysql
[17:49] <SaintMoriarty> reisio, what do you recommend?
[17:49] <ubuntu293> http://i.imgur.com/sC6myV1.jpg
[17:49] <Guest53256> hi
[17:49] <ubuntu293> This okay then_
[17:49] <Guest60182> This works for playing it in alsa cat /dev/urandom | padsp tee /dev/audio > /dev/null
[17:49] <SaintMoriarty> i ran du -h / | grep '[0-9\.]\+G' and my mysql folder is the significant one
[17:49] <reisio> https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
[17:49] <dax> sigh
[17:50] <Guest60182> but why do you have to go thru padsp to do it ?
[17:50] <dax> for anyone who doesn't already know, that librairc stuff is nonsense
[17:50] <duiker> why so?
[17:50] <ubuntu293> I.. think my image should be alright, but not gonna go on without someone double checking
[17:51] <Guest60182> OSS you could just open a file descriptor for you /dev/dsp ... and then just uses ioctl , read ,write to do anything you pretty much wanted
[17:52] <duiker> dax: why do you say its nonsense?
[17:52] <dax> duiker: because it's untrue
[17:52] <tgm4883> duiker: that's why^
[17:53] <nacc> heh
[17:53] <SaintMoriarty> tgm4883, is there a way to create the symlink and move all the current files/folders with same permissions?
[17:53] <ubuntu293> k1l_: http://i.imgur.com/sC6myV1.jpg?1
[17:53] <duiker> so they are not really merging?
[17:53] <tgm4883> SaintMoriarty: rsync
[17:53] <dax> duiker: that is what "untrue" implies, yes
[17:53] <Guest60182> I should beable to still get an alsa  device files file descriptor , and do an ioctl to tweak its settings
[17:53] <Guest60182> still
[17:53] <duiker> huh, and here I thought "untrue" implied "true" this whole time.
[17:53] <Guest60182> so whats holding the alsa settings from allowing one to write/read
[17:54] <rbasak> SaintMoriarty: I would use a bind mount. There are some known bugs around maintainer scripts and handling symlinks and direct mounts (where lost+found appears).
[17:54] <rbasak> I'm not aware of any failure cases if you use a bind mount.
[17:54] <dar123> i have a problem in ipv6 dns lookup, v4 works fine
[17:54] <rbasak> Assuming that it happens long before mysqld starts
[17:54] <k1l_> ubuntu293: i dont know the kubuntu installer and dont know why it lists to change the partition table of sdd there.
[17:56] <ubuntu293> k1l_: I just want you to tell me if I did the partitions correctly for installing on /sdc .)
[17:56] <Guest60182> I guess i want to understand the inner workings of how alsa is restricting access even at lower levels  then itself. Maybe the device files them selfs for alsa audio where changed to not provide writing / reading from without a vaild particular type of handle that has to be obtained from alsa ... don't know just guessing for the moment anybody know more
[17:56] <Guest60182> on this irc
[17:57] <ubuntu293> k1l_: sry I didnt realy it was the wrong image, here is what I meant http://i.imgur.com/TMb1Gcd.jpg?1
[17:57] <k1l_> ubuntu293: i dont see the size. i only see a swap and a ext4.
[17:57] <nacc> Guest60182: this seems like a better question for #linux or an alsa-specific channel
[17:58] <k1l_> ubuntu293: yes, looks right.
[17:58] <ubuntu293> and for bootloader, sdc or sdc1?
[17:58] <k1l_> Guest60182: you might want to ask the alsa guys then
[17:59] <Guest60182> so padsp i know what the pulse audio is kind of doing its redirecting the stuff to OSS devices but i don't see /dev/dsp so kind of don't get how its by passing alsa
[18:00] <ubuntu293> k1l_: should the bootloader be on sdc or sdc1?
[18:00] <Guest60182> where is the /dev/ for oss if your using pulseaudio?
[18:00] <Guest60182> won't they need to create dev/dsp
[18:00] <k1l_> ubuntu293: not in a partition. on the hdd. but the one that gets booted first.
[18:01] <ubuntu293> so just sdc then
[18:03] <erebel55> is there a daemonize package somewhere for ubuntu
[18:03] <nacc> erebel55: what would that package do?
[18:03] <erebel55> I'm trying to do this
[18:04] <erebel55> daemonize -E BUILD_ID=dontKillMe /path/to/your/command
[18:04] <nacc> erebel55: what is daemonize? it's a program you have used before?
[18:04] <Fuchs> screen, tmux or  & disown
[18:05] <erebel55> it runs a command as a daemon. there is probably a different way to do it on ubuntu
[18:05] <rbasak> There's start-stop-daemon. With systemd, there's systemd-run.
[18:05] <Guest60182> on a different not why does one have to by root to  echo to /dev/kmsg  to actually get it to appear in dmesg. Its not available for sudoer's seems weird how is that?
[18:05] <erebel55> I found it here https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Spawning+processes+from+build
[18:05] <nacc> Guest60182: make sure you are using the echo binary not the shell built-in?
[18:06] <rbasak> Guest60182: if you're doing sudo echo ... > /dev/kmsg, that won't work as the > is done by your shell, not by sudo or the root's shell.
[18:06] <rbasak> You could probably do something like sudo -- sh -c 'echo ... > /proc/kmsg'
[18:06] <tgm4883> or use tee
[18:06] <Bray90820_mobile> So I'm having an issue with ubuntu 16.04 X86 live USB I have tried to boot it twice now the first time i saw the unity desktop flash then it went black the second time it was purple
[18:07] <tgm4883> eg "echo 'deb blah # blah' | sudo tee --append /etc/apt/sources.list"
[18:08] <Guest60182> ya thats my issue
[18:08] <Guest60182> thanks
[18:12] <nairwolf> When there is updated packages, it is possible to have information about what has been updated from apt ?
[18:13] <nairwolf> I would like to know if it's a bug fix or a security update, or whatever
[18:13] <nairwolf> Usually, I'm going to launchpad to see what's new on the package, what was the purpose of the last update. Is it possible directly from apt ?
[18:13] <k1l_> nairwolf: apt-get changelog package
[18:14] <nairwolf> ok, thank you k1l_ ;)
[18:24] <feneco> how to restart x on ubuntu 16?
[18:24] <jimmy55> is unetbootin the best way to go on xubuntu?
[18:25] <dax> no
[18:25] <reisio> feneco: sudo service lightdm restart
[18:25] <dax> unetbootin isn't the best way to go on anything
[18:25] <reisio> jimmy55: for what?
[18:25] <jimmy55> then what to use?
[18:25] <jimmy55> reisio, obviously a bootable usb drive
[18:25] <reisio> jimmy55: for installing xubuntu from?
[18:25] <OerHeks> feneco, sudo service lightdm restart
[18:25] <jimmy55> no
[18:25] <jimmy55> ubuntu
[18:25] <reisio> jimmy55: unetbootin should work fine
[18:26] <jimmy55> must I add their repos
[18:26] <feneco> OerHeks: is it supposed to close all programs?
[18:26] <tgm4883> feneco: yes, restarting X would close all programs
[18:26] <reisio> jimmy55: hrmm?
[18:26] <tgm4883> jimmy55: can you explain what your end goal is?
[18:26] <feneco> i tried service lightdm restart but it didn't work, so I tried service gdm restart
[18:26] <feneco> then it restarted
[18:26] <jimmy55> it says here I gotta add their repos https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html
[18:27] <jimmy55> which I just did
[18:27] <feneco> is that because i'm using ubuntu-gnome?
[18:27] <tgm4883> feneco: what release are you on?
[18:27] <tgm4883> feneco: possibly
[18:27] <reisio> jimmy55: should be in 'universe': http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&keywords=unetbootin
[18:27] <feneco> ok, thanks OerHeks  tgm4883 :)
[18:27] <jimmy55> well I just followed the instructions on that page I linked reisio and installed it
[18:27] <OerHeks> feneco, so you are not on ubuntu 16.04
[18:27] <jimmy55> is that okay?
[18:27] <OerHeks> ?
[18:27] <tgm4883> jimmy55: so you are on Xubuntu 16.04, and want to install Ubuntu 16.04 to the same machine?
[18:27] <reisio> jimmy55: probably fine, yes
[18:28] <reisio> jimmy55: I wouldn't recommend making a habit of such behavior, though
[18:28] <feneco> OerHeks: I am on ubuntu-gnome 16.04
[18:28] <reisio> jimmy55: best to check official repos first
[18:28] <jimmy55> I'm on xubuntu 14
[18:29] <reisio> jimmy55: that should be fine
[18:29] <jimmy55> sweet
[18:29] <jimmy55> I just did this to remove it; sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:gezakovacs/ppa
[18:29] <jimmy55> that is correct, right?
[18:30] <reisio> if it's removed, I s'pose so
[18:30] <compdoc> does gezakovacs show up if you run: sudo apt-get update
[18:31] <OerHeks> feneco, oke, proceed
[18:32] <h82or8> where do i find a list of amd graphics chipsets are are being tested (older) for future inclusion to the radeon driver (not a list of those already included)?
[18:32] <feneco> OerHeks: http://termbin.com/2dof
[18:32] <feneco> not sure how to get that I am on ubuntu gnome
[18:34] <feneco> is there a way to check which ubuntu version is running from terminal? if it's ubuntu-gnome, kubuntu, lubuntu, etc?
[18:34] <OerHeks> gnome uses gdm, ubuntu/unity lightdm
[18:35] <jimmy55> nop it didn't show up compdoc
[18:35] <BluesKaj> no sddm on ubuntu?
[18:35] <jimmy55> unetbootin takes care of the formating of the drive before setting it up, right?
[18:35] <Bashing-om> feneco: ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' .
[18:36] <erebel55> anyone know why I'm getting "nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out`"
[18:36] <erebel55> when I run
[18:36] <h82or8> feneco: inxi -S
[18:36] <erebel55> sudo nohup service omniwar start
[18:37] <dax> why are you putting nohup there
[18:37] <dax> things started with service are supposed to run daemonized anyway
[18:37] <erebel55> dax, I'm starting it via Jenkins
[18:37] <erebel55> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16667898/start-daemon-on-remote-server-via-jenkins-ssh-shell-script-exits-mysteriously
[18:39] <erebel55> dax, I'm trying to make the process persist after ssh disconnect
[18:39] <jimmy55> nvm got it
[18:39] <dax> i have zero jenkins experience, sorry
[18:39] <jimmy55> I'm trying it without formating
[18:39] <jimmy55> will that work
[18:40] <netameta> how can i search my entire folder for supervisord
[18:40] <erebel55> dax, it's not really that related to jenkins. Basically my jenkins calls a script that does some linux commands
[18:40] <erebel55> So it does a ssh to my server and then starts a server on it
[18:40] <erebel55> *service
[18:40] <erebel55> And I want the service to persist after the ssh is disconnected
[18:40] <bray9082_> So I am getting a black screen after selecting try ubuntu without installing with the live disc
[18:41] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | bray9082_
[18:42] <bray9082_> Thanks
[18:42] <feneco> h82or8: nothing by default?
[18:43] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: If after that ^, there are still problems; holler back at us . We are here to help .
[18:45] <enon> Alright sports fans, I'm am trying to build CEGUI from 14.04 sfrom source and install it on 16.06. I asked on #cegui and was told it would behave on 16.04 (version 0.76 along with version 0.8.4). I retriieved the orig source ,the debian.tar pkg and the dsc file fron packaqges.ubuntu.com I did a search for instructions but all I found is what to do with a new source compile not where to put the debian folderannd dsc file or how to use them any pointers?
[18:45] <radiance2> Hi! I upgraded my Ubuntu to 16.04 a couple of hours ago. Since I have a dual-boot machine I wanted to check whether or not my other OS still works. Unfortunately although I updated the GRUB still have issues with keyboard once I'd like to select the adjacent OS. In one word, can somebody help what I should do for having my keyboard control back in BIOS?
[18:45] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: Well I have tried "acpi_osi=" and "acpi=off"
[18:46] <ikonia> enon: read up on debian packaging
[18:46] <ikonia> enon: be aware though, especially with the dependencies it's not as simple as copying the desc file and rebuilding the package with a later tarball
[18:46] <rootbeto> exit
[18:49] <radiance2> hello?!
[18:49] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: I am not really sure if I am doing things right but I have tried three options "acpi_osi=" and "acpi=off" and acpi_osi="Linux" and they did not work
[18:50] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: Those are power management options .. Do not see a relationship there to graphics . This a laptop .. and with power issues ?
[18:50] <bray9082_> Sorry my bad no this is a desktop
[18:51] <enon> ikonia: I found a debian packaqging guide - upgrading from 14.04 broke cegui for a package I was working on
[18:51] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: disregard what I have done
[18:52] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: We work with you at your pace .. but heed advise given . Black screen is generally a graphic's issue .
[18:53] <bray9082_> Yes
[18:53] <radiance2> I'm new to these channel. Should wait for someone to help?
[18:54] <Bashing-om> !ask | radiovstv
[18:55] <radiovstv> what
[18:55] <Bashing-om> radiovstv: sorry .. bad hightlight .. the other poster left.. I did not verify the ping .
[19:02] <Erige> Anyone know how I can get echo 10m > /sys/devices/platform/dell-laptop/leds/dell\:\:kbd_backlight/stop_timout   to persist through boot
[19:03] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: I think were on the same page now and I think I have done nomodeset correctly and it's still not working
[19:03] <bray9082_> I also tried modeset=0 and that gave me a purple screen
[19:04] <ikonia> Erige: should be a kernel parameter for that
[19:04] <Erige> ikonia: how would i go about setting that up?
[19:04] <ikonia> Erige: get the parameter name and put it in /etc/sysctl.conf
[19:04] <ikonia> or offer it as a boot argument to the kernel
[19:05] <Erige> ikonia: thanks
[19:05] <Zythyr> Need help. Does anyone know how I can convert a SVG file to BMP file?
[19:05] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: K; show us in a pastebin, what we are working with - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - .
[19:06] <ikonia> Zythyr: open it in a graphics edit and export it ?
[19:06] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: Can't really pstebin anything if I can't boot
[19:06] <Zythyr> ikonia Is it possible to do it iwht command line? I tried inkscape but its not working
[19:07] <ikonia> Zythyr: do you know of a graphics convert that supports svg ? (inkscape ?)
[19:07] <ikonia> Zythyr: sorry imagemagik
[19:07] <Zythyr> ikonia Let me try imagemagic
[19:07] <blinkyb> is there any way I can change the Power icon on Ubuntu MATE?
[19:08] <mguy> blinkyb: what have you tried
[19:08] <ikonia> he's tried asking in here
[19:08] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: So, what can you boot to ? do you get as far as a grub boot menu - oler hardware is the shift key to make the menu appear .
[19:08] <momelod> greetings channel.
[19:08] <ikonia> blinkyb: do you reseaerch anything before asking ?
[19:08] <blinkyb> mguy: LightDM GTK+ doesnt seem to help, thats the only thing i tried
[19:09] <ikonia> lightDM ? thats a window manager
[19:09] <momelod> is anyone aware of a tool that would let me search through multiple files for a block and text and do a search/replace on that block?
[19:09] <ikonia> what did you do wiht lightdm to change it
[19:09] <ikonia> momelod: grep and sed
[19:09] <erebel55> shouldn't this start my FPSGame-Server-Linux-DebugGame service?
[19:09] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/dMSHnrw.png
[19:09] <blinkyb> ikonia: search the net but nothing's availeble
[19:09] <ikonia> blinkyb: did you read any of the mate documentation
[19:09] <erebel55> I am running sudo service omniwar start
[19:09] <shatnerz> Hey, any ideas why a display port monitor may not be detected. I'm using a dvi to displayPort adapter. I tested it in windows and it works. Im running ubuntu 14.04
[19:09] <ikonia> blinkyb: any of the mate theme documentation
[19:09] <erebel55> and nothing starts
[19:10] <momelod> ikonia: yeah, but im having a hard time with that cause the block im searching for is bigish and has lots of special chars that are throwing me off
[19:10] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: I am using the live cd 16.04 x86 and all i can get to is grub
[19:10] <erebel55> sudo service omniwar status shows that it is started. but I don't see it on ps aux
[19:10] <ikonia> momelod: put the block of text in a file and use it as a litteral input to grep
[19:10] <blinkyb> ikonia: no
[19:10] <ikonia> blinkyb: does that not strike you as something thats worth doing - reading the documentation about the product your asking about ?
[19:11] <blinkyb> ikonia: where is it
[19:11] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: And in this liveCD. booting to the menu . F6 gives you the option to employ "nomodeset"; what results ?
[19:11] <ikonia> blinkyb: what is the product called....
[19:13] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: I am hitting tab and entering nomodeset that way because non of the fuction keys bring up any menu
[19:14] <bray9082_> it says press tab to edit a menu entry
[19:14] <bray9082_> So i enter nomodeset and press enter and then it boots to a black screen
[19:14] <ioria> bray9082_, you know your video card model ? nvidia ?
[19:16] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: That will work also to use the parameter. key combo ctl+x .. best I recall for the liveCD to continue the boot process .. and then what results ? Will take a long time to load into ram and expand .
[19:17] <bray9082_> My video card model is some onboard VGA crap
[19:17] <bray9082_> Idk
[19:18] <ioria> bray9082_, what pc is that ?
[19:18] <soee_> kernel build for yakkety will work in xenial?
[19:18] <ikonia> no
[19:18] <ikonia> thats why it's for a different version
[19:19] <soee_> and it possible to have 4.6 in xenial?
[19:19] <bray9082_> ioria: It's some old dell that came with Windows server 2003 that my boss had
[19:20] <ikonia> soee_: yes
[19:20] <ioria> soee_, you can try mainline ppa .debs
[19:20] <Guest60182> curious /dev/log that a socket file that is somehow assocated with syslog file. Though when i do an lsof to see what uses it currently nothing on my machine. What is the purpose of this is it some network firewall log file mechanism
[19:20] <soee_> ioria: there is no 4.6 for xenial in mainline
[19:20] <akik> ikonia: have you tested it? v4.6-yakkety installed without errors in xenial
[19:20] <ikonia> akik: no, as I don't use software designed for the wrong version
[19:20] <ioria> soee_, yep http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:21] <ioria> bray9082_, i'd try Lubuntu
[19:21] <ikonia> ioria: no
[19:21] <ioria> bray9082_,  14.04
[19:21] <ikonia> ioria: no xeinal there
[19:21] <ioria> oh
[19:21] <soee_> ioria: and where do you see 4.6 for Xenial ? :)
[19:21] <ortsvorsteher> !imagemaker | ubottu
[19:22] <ikonia> soee_: why do you want 4.6
[19:22] <ikonia> and please don't say "because it's later"
[19:22] <ioria> sorry understood yakkety
[19:22] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: +1 ^ " Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware." .
[19:22] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: what's the desktop environment in lubuntu?
[19:23] <ioria> lxde
[19:23] <cscf> As was mentioned^
[19:23] <cscf> LXDE is a light fork of XFCE, btw
[19:24] <OerHeks> LXDE is not a light fork of XFCE, anyway
[19:24] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: actually the first time I tied to boot ubuntu I did see unity flash for a second
[19:24] <ioria> cscf, lxde it's a fork of xfce ???
[19:24] <OerHeks> cscf, not related at all
[19:24] <cscf> Ah, I misread
[19:24] <cscf> It was a light replacement
[19:25] <Erige> ikonia: Would adding echo '10m' > /sys/devices/platform/dell-laptop/leds/dell\:\:kbd_backlight/stop_timeout to rc.local work?
[19:25] <ikonia> Erige: I hate that as a solution personally
[19:25] <ikonia> (just a personal opinion)
[19:25] <AmK11> help
[19:26] <ikonia> ask a question then
[19:26] <Erige> ikonia: I'm not sure how to get it to work without it. If i just change it then reboot its back to 1m instead of 10m
[19:26] <ikonia> Erige: you need to find the kenel parameter name, put it in sysctl.conf or in as a kernel boot argument
[19:28] <fuser> hi. what is the default window manager for 16.04?
[19:29] <OerHeks> fuser, for what ubuntu version ??
[19:32] <ioria> soee_, this guy did it, but not sure about it (at your risk) https://raonyguimaraes.com/how-to-install-kernel-4-6-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial/
[19:34] <BluesKaj> 4,6 makes kubuntu 16.04 run very well
[19:35] <ioria> BluesKaj, you installed it ?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> have it on Lenovo laptop and HP desktop
[19:36] <ioria> BluesKaj,  used ppa ?
[19:37] <tobi_> hi
[19:37] <BluesKaj> i found a site with a script ..hang on I'll check my history
[19:37] <ioria> BluesKaj,  thanx
[19:37] <BluesKaj> ioria,^
[19:37] <tobi_> does someone know something about proxychains / tsocks or something like that? i want to run the same program, multiple times through different proxys
[19:38] <tobi_> so for example one firefox goes through a proxy in england and another firefox goes through a proxy in spain
[19:40] <BluesKaj> ioria, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/install-linux-kernel-4-6-ubuntu-16-04/
[19:40] <ikonia> these urls and advice to use external kernel repos are bad
[19:40] <renato_> good evining
[19:40] <ioria> BluesKaj,  thank you , yed used mainline
[19:40] <renato_> yes
[19:41] <BluesKaj> ioria, there's a newer 4.6.1 version out but I haven't tried it...yes mainline
[19:41] <ioria> BluesKaj,  ok, but i'm still a bit diffident .... :þ
[19:41] <akik> ikonia: the instructions reference the kernel mainline
[19:41] <ikonia> so ?
[19:42] <erebel55> does anyone know why my init.d script doesn't echo anything?
[19:42] <erebel55> http://pastebin.com/cxvDzBAv
[19:42] <akik> ikonia: so it's not as bad as you make it sound
[19:42] <ikonia> I think it is
[19:42] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/RaCajHf.png
[19:43] <BluesKaj> ikonia, no troubles at all on Xenial with the mainline 4.6 kernel
[19:43] <ikonia> BluesKaj: "you" have had no troubles
[19:43] <BluesKaj> had it for a couple of weeks
[19:43] <ikonia> you having no trouble doesn't mean it's a good idea
[19:44] <ikonia> while I'm pleased you've had no problems, these URL's pushing it to people blindly is just not good
[19:44] <ioria> the devs have made it available for xenial ....
[19:44] <ikonia> ioria: they have made a development for specific use case testing available
[19:44] <ioria> ikonia,  oh, ok
[19:46] <BluesKaj> iko wqell it;'s a given certain hardware may not run so well , but I don't have anything out of the ordinary , pretty generic nvidia and intel media and othe HP installed components
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ikonia,^
[19:46] <ikonia> BluesKaj: again - I'm pleased for "you"
[19:46] <BluesKaj> okok
[19:46] <ikonia> these kernels are there for specific functions and testings, if you want to run it, thats great, but these sites pushing it blindly to people are not good
[19:50] <akik> the mainline kernels use unmodified kernel source and ubuntu's configuration
[19:51] <ikonia> yes, hence why they are called mainline
[19:51] <fluvian> when I `su root` and then send a message using `write` or `wall`, it displays as a message from my own user instead of root. how does the system track this, and how can I send from *root* instead?
[19:52] <ikonia> su root should not work as there is not unlocked root account
[19:52] <akik> fluvian: i guess you should use "su - root"
[19:52] <k1l_> fluvian: use sudo instead of su
[19:52] <EriC^^> fluvian: try sudo -i instead of su root
[19:52] <k1l_> sudo -i, if you need a root shell
[19:55] <fluvian> akik k1l_ EriC^^: `sudo -i`, `su -` and `su -l` all have the same problem
[19:55] <lerner> I bouht 2 kilos of frozen fish. I had to place them next to my laptop. My laptop became cold. I started my laptop, it worked, on password prompt a red alert appeared: "log in failed"; but I had not written anything. On entering my regular password it kept returning fails... I had to unplug it, restart it and this time it worked
[19:55] <lerner> does temperature affect password behavior?
[19:55] <ikonia> no
[19:55] <ioria> fluvian, maybe because there is no root user ?
[19:56] <OerHeks> fishy problem
[19:56] <ikonia> there is a root user, it is just locked
[19:56] <ikonia> (and rightly so)
[19:56] <akik> ioria: you serious? of course there is a root user
[19:56] <ikonia> it has a valid uid and shell
[19:56] <fluvian> root exists in passwd
[19:56] <Guest60182> I under stand the differents between tty and ttyS. The differences between ttyX and vcsX devices . But what is the difference between the vcs and vcsa device files?
[19:56] <ioria> akik, configured by default ?
[19:56] <ikonia> it is a locked account by default
[19:57] <Ben64> fluvian: sudo su -c "echo hi | wall"
[19:57] <OerHeks> not root user, but root-priv to the 1st account created during install
[19:57] <akik> ioria: always has been a root user in linux
[19:57] <EriC^^> fluvian: interesting problem
[19:57] <lerner> my laptop takes 2 whole minutes to shut down since shutdown order is issued... during that period of time I only see the backdrop even though grub is configured to show the orders that are being issued on shutting down... why?
[19:57] <ioria> akik, yes, but ubuntu ....
[19:57] <EriC^^> i wonder where it's getting the user from
[19:58] <akik> ioria: yes always has been a root user in ubuntu
[19:58] <fluvian> Ben64: well that had the effect of messing up my IRC client... but message still shows as being from me@host
[19:58] <ikonia> lerner: shutdown order is missing ? what
[19:58] <ioria> akik, ok
[19:58] <Ben64> fluvian: well maybe you didn't type it properly, works fine here
[19:58] <OerHeks> akik, get your facts right, there isn't, try login as root :-D
[19:58] <ikonia> EriC^^: privilege seperation through sudo probably
[19:58] <Ben64> Broadcast Message from root@ben64
[19:58] <akik> OerHeks: you're wrong
[19:58] <EriC^^> Ben64: i can confirm it doesn't work here either
[19:58] <EriC^^> sudo su -c '....'
[19:59] <EriC^^> neither does env - before the command (using a clean environment)
[19:59] <ikonia> sudo controls an env with sudo_env parameter
[19:59] <lerner> ikonia, do I have to add "? what" to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line on grub?
[19:59] <akik> as ikonia said, the root account's password is locked in ubuntu by default
[19:59] <fluvian> OerHeks: root may not have password, in which case ssh login (pubkey) or `su` is only way to use root
[19:59] <ikonia> lerner: I don't know what you are saying, grub is used for booting,
[20:00] <ikonia> su is not the way to use root on ubuntu
[20:00] <fluvian> ikonia: first thing I tried was clearing all SUDO_* env variables... :P
[20:00] <ikonia> sudo is as the account is locked
[20:00] <ikonia> fluvian: well that sounds like a terrible idea
[20:00] <lerner> ikonia, lerner: shutdown order is missing ? what < I dont understand that
[20:00] <OerHeks> akik so you answered it yourself, good.
[20:00] <ikonia> lerner: I don't actually understand what you are saying,
[20:00] <Ben64> EriC^^: how about "sudo -i"; "bash"; "echo hi | wall"
[20:01] <lerner> ikonia, you wrote: lerner: shutdown order is missing ? what
[20:01] <ikonia> Ben64: do you need bash after sudo
[20:01] <lerner> and I dont understand it
[20:01] <ikonia> lerner: what is your question
[20:01] <Ben64> ikonia: works here
[20:01] <akik> OerHeks: what do you mean? that root account does not exist in ubuntu?
[20:01] <ikonia> Ben64: what about if you just "sudo -i" then wall hello
[20:01] <Ben64> oh that does work
[20:01] <Ben64> then why did people say it didn't
[20:01] <ikonia> should do as thats not privilege seperation
[20:01] <ikonia> only if you "sudo command"
 akik k1l_ EriC^^: `sudo -i`, `su -` and `su -l` all have the same problem
[20:02] <OerHeks> akik, actually i don't care to answer, you are trolling.
[20:02] <akik> OerHeks: i'm trying to tell you, root account has *always* existed in ubuntu
[20:02] <lerner> why dont I see the processes being terminated when I execute an order to shut down, even when grub has been configured to do so: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" ?
[20:02] <ikonia> lerner: grub is used for booting, you're not booting
[20:02] <tgm4883> all this root account talk seems semi-offtopic. Can we all agree that the root account exists and is disabled?
[20:03] <EriC^^> Ben64: ikonia sudo -i; wall something doesn't work here, neither does sudo su -c 'wall something'
[20:03] <Ben64> EriC^^: then you got something weird going on
[20:03] <EriC^^> trying sudo -i; bash; wall something
[20:03] <lerner> ok ikonia , what do I need to edit to actually see how processes are being terminated when I shut down my laptop?
[20:04] <ikonia> EriC^^: sudo -i
[20:04] <ikonia> then type "wall hello"
[20:04] <EriC^^> Ben64: also doesn't work, ikonia it doesn't work
[20:04] <ikonia> lerner: just hit escape
[20:04] <lerner> ok
[20:04] <Ben64> EriC^^: you mess with sudo?
[20:04] <lerner> thx
[20:04] <EriC^^> Ben64: nope, standard install
[20:05] <EriC^^> 16.04
[20:05] <EriC^^> which ubuntu version are you using?
[20:05] <Ben64> strange
[20:05] <Ben64> 14.04
[20:05] <lickalott> hey guys, anyone here good with qemu/libvirt & virt manager?   I accidentally deleted my vm (windows 7) and am trying to rebuild it but it hangs at the windows logo.  I've tried a network path to the iso, pulled the files off the disk and created an .iso and tried pointing it to the disc.  Same results everytime.
[20:05] <EriC^^> maybe that's it
[20:05] <Ben64> i don't see why
[20:05] <lickalott> I'm a little stuck now.  Any help would be appreciated.
[20:05] <fluvian> hmm I am also on 14.04, could be it
[20:05] <Ben64> fluvian: except mine works
[20:05] <fluvian> agree that it seems unlikely
[20:05] <fluvian> oh it does OK. has anyone else repo'd this problem or is it unique to me?
[20:06] <Ben64> i think you're the first person to use wall in about a decade
[20:07] <EriC^^> !bug | fluvian
[20:07] <fluvian> Ben64: you're probably right
[20:07] <gonui> hey there, how can i know what ubuntu version i have from terminal ???
[20:07] <EriC^^> gonui: lsb_release -d
[20:07] <tgm4883> gonui: lsb_release -a
[20:07] <fluvian> EriC^^: maybe this is more of an undocumented behaviour than a bug?
[20:08] <EriC^^> fluvian: hehe
[20:08] <curlyears> heigh hough]
[20:08] <gonui> Do i need to upgrade ?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17154720/
[20:09] <tgm4883> !eol | gonui
[20:09] <ikonia> gonui: that release is end of life if thats what you mean ?
[20:09] <C_minus> Is there a way to change the graphics memory alloted to a process? Nvidia-smi days my neural net uses only 120mb and is painfully slow.
[20:09] <gonui> ikonia ; so i need to upgrade to .. ?
[20:09] <ikonia> C_minus: it will use what it can
[20:09] <EriC^^> gonui: 15.10
[20:09] <ikonia> gonui: a supported release, which is 16.04 for you
[20:10] <tgm4883> gonui: you'll need to upgrade to 15.10, then 16.04
[20:10] <Bashing-om> C_minus: My Phoenix bios .. has the option of how much ram to allocate to the graphics. maybe yours ?
[20:10] <gonui> tgm4883 ; how to do that ??
[20:10] <tgm4883> !eol | gonui
[20:10] <tgm4883> gonui: read the page I linked earlier
[20:11] <kristian_on_linu> hi all
[20:11] <gonui> tgm4883 : would it be safe to upgrade ? i fear messing my installation !!
[20:11] <kristian_on_linu> I put this in rc.local: bash /usr/bin/temp_throttle.sh 80
[20:11] <kristian_on_linu> is it correct?
[20:11] <tgm4883> gonui: well I always recommend backups
[20:12] <gonui> tgm4883 ; I have backed up my data , but I have some special configurations , i cant backup ??
[20:12] <tgm4883> kristian_on_linu: correct for what?
[20:12] <tgm4883> gonui: that's odd, you should be able to backup everything
[20:13] <gonui> tgm4883 ; what do you mean by backup , i just transfered my data to usbs sticks ??
[20:13] <tgm4883> gonui: yea, that would be backing things up
[20:14] <gonui> tgm4883 ; but i cant buckup my app configurations ..
[20:14] <C_minus> Bashing-om thanks but I'm interested in the allocation for this particular python process.
[20:14] <tgm4883> gonui: why not? just backup your entire home directory
[20:14] <gonui> tgm4883 : its not like a VM ..
[20:14] <lickalott> is there a specific libvirt chan that I can ask in?
[20:14] <notadeveloper> how do i install ping?
[20:15] <EriC^^> notadeveloper: sudo apt-get install iputils-ping
[20:15] <tgm4883> notadeveloper: iputils-ping
[20:15] <tgm4883> Bah, EriC^^ is apparently much faster
[20:16] <gonui> tgm4883 ; and there is something weird happaned , i suddenly lost all disk space it gone to 00 ??
[20:16] <tgm4883> gonui: we don't know what you did unless you tell us
[20:17] <gonui> tgm4883; i did nothing but not upgrading to the latest release , so i think i might got hacked or something ?
[20:17] <gonui> tgm4883: what should i do ?
[20:18] <hippo23> hi
[20:18] <C_minus> ikonia I have 2gb mem on this gpu. X and compiz are using 170mb and 30mb. Then 120 for python neural net and that's all.
[20:19] <tgm4883> gonui: I honestly don't have the time to try and extract information from you. You said something weird happened and all your space went to 00. Did you do something to make that happen? What space (USB drive, Hard drive)?
[20:19] <gonui> tgm4883 ; should i upgrade from software & updates  ??
[20:19] <ikonia> C_minus: and ?
[20:19] <EriC^^> gonui: if you have 0 space it's not going to work
[20:19] <gonui> tgm4883 ; Hard drive space went to 00
[20:20] <EriC^^> gonui: type sudo apt-get install pastebinit && df -h | pastebinit
[20:20] <tgm4883> gonui: then stop downloading ISOs
[20:20] <gonui> EriC^^ ; I had to delete and transfer some files to get some space now i have 6 gb in hard drive
[20:20] <EriC^^> gonui: you might need to run sudo apt-get autoclean first
[20:20] <Guest60182> the difference between vcsa and vcs ?
[20:21] <tgm4883> Guest60182: wrong channel?
[20:21] <Guest60182> each have 7 device files
[20:21] <EriC^^> gonui: ok, well determine where the space went
[20:21] <EriC^^> gonui: try du -sh /* | sort -h
[20:21] <tgm4883> We should really have the netcat command for pastebinning as a factoid
[20:21] <EriC^^> gonui: maybe you have a long running log problem or something
[20:21] <gonui> EriC^^ ; it didnt go to my home directory though ..
[20:22] <gonui> the space
[20:22] <EriC^^> gonui: try du -sh.....
[20:22] <kristian_on_linu> tgm4883, yeah ... I want to run this script: http://seperohacker.blogspot.dk/2012/10/linux-keep-your-cpu-cool-with-frequency.html
[20:23] <EriC^^> gonui: try du -sh /var
[20:23] <alberto_80> Hello everyone
[20:24] <alberto_80> Is there any Linux program that show information about the type of RAM modules a machine has? I mean, whether it's DDR2 or DDR3...etc.
[20:24] <alberto_80> shows, sorry
[20:24] <ikonia> lshw
[20:24] <ikonia> dmidecode
[20:24] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: even lubuntu isn't even working it booted to grub then try without installing  boots to a flashing line in the corner
[20:25] <alberto_80> ikonia Thank you
[20:25] <Bashing-om> !md5sum
[20:25] <OerHeks> sudo lshw -short -C memory
[20:25] <gonui> EriC^^ ; du -sh /var" gave    " 53G	/var
[20:25] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: ^^ did you verify the dowmloaded .iso file ?
[20:25] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: do you think it was the ISO?
[20:26] <EriC^^> gonui: that'd be the problem
[20:26] <EriC^^> gonui: inspect further, du -sh /var/* | sort -h
[20:26] <bray9082_> I don't really know how to verify it
[20:26] <EriC^^> is log the culprit?
[20:26] <erebel55> wtf is this? http://i.imgur.com/vqmAE61.png
[20:26] <bray9082_> You mean check CD for defects?
[20:26] <ikonia> erebel55: tone down the language please,
[20:27] <bray9082_> Bashing-om:
[20:27] <ikonia> erebel55: it means the service file/definition is not found
[20:27] <gonui> EriC^^ ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/17155174/
[20:27] <ikonia> I assume you're trying to write an upstart job on systemd
[20:27] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: Cannot rule the .iso file out unless it has been verified ,,, and then the burn to CD is to be verified .
[20:27] <erebel55> lol I didn't know acronyms were bad language now
[20:27] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: Actually it's a USB
[20:27] <erebel55> ikonia, yeah I'm writing a init startup script
[20:27] <ikonia> erebel55: try writing a systemd unit file, rather than an upstart script
[20:27] <gonui> EriC^^ ; so it all went to /var/log
[20:27] <lordcirth> erebel55, well, write a .service file instead
[20:28] <EriC^^> gonui: ok, try ls -lh /var/log
[20:28] <Bashing-om> bray9082_: Either CD or USB .. the download and the copy needs to be verified .
[20:28] <EriC^^> gonui: try to upload one of the huge files to see what's making it big
[20:29] <erebel55> what's wrong with init.d scripts?
[20:29] <ikonia> erebel55: ubuntu uses upstart now
[20:29] <ikonia> init.d scripts are obsolete
[20:29] <tgm4883> ikonia: you mean systemd
[20:29] <ikonia> (legacy)
[20:29] <ikonia> oops
[20:29] <gonui> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17155227/
[20:29] <ikonia> systemd
[20:29] <erebel55> sigh
[20:29] <ikonia> thank you
[20:29] <tgm4883> :)
[20:29] <tgm4883> erebel55: there's not much that uses sysvinit scripts anymore
[20:30] <EriC^^> gonui: ok, type "dmesg"
[20:30] <EriC^^> you should see something that's repeating, paste it
[20:30] <gonui> EriC^^; it would crash if i open it with leafpad , how to open it from shell ?
[20:30] <bray9082_> Bashing-om: How would I go about verifying it?
[20:30] <David_> exit
[20:30] <erebel55> okay, I'm looking up service file then
[20:31] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | bray9082_  Tutorial::
[20:32] <gonui> EriC^^ ; should i start the command with pastebinit to get a url ?? i forgot ..
[20:32] <EriC^^> gonui: type dmesg | pastebinit
[20:33] <EriC^^> or dmesg | tail -40 | pastebinit
[20:33] <EriC^^> do the second one
[20:33] <netameta> what commend can i use to fetch all output of a script and pip it to a file ?
[20:33] <netameta> in bash
[20:33] <Ben64> > file
[20:33] <gonui> EriC^^ ; the second one http://paste.ubuntu.com/17155371/
[20:34] <EriC^^> netameta: ./script.sh > /file 2>&1
[20:34] <lordcirth> netameta, ./script > file
[20:34] <netameta> i see
[20:34] <cool3> i m blind
[20:34] <lordcirth> Eric's will also catch error messages, if that's what you want
[20:34] <netameta> EriC^^, whats the &1 for ?
[20:34] <gonui> EriC^^; whats that for ?
[20:35] <Pici> netameta: redirects stderr to the same location of stdout
[20:35] <EriC^^> netameta: 2>&1 redirects stderr (standard error) to standard out (your file)
[20:35] <gonui> EriC^^ ; the first output http://paste.ubuntu.com/17155363/
[20:36] <netameta> will > filename alone wont suffice ?
[20:36] <lordcirth> netameta, > file will capture standard output
[20:36] <EriC^^> gonui: hmm, looks ok, look into /var/log/kern.log
[20:36] <Pici> netameta: only if you don't care what may be sent to stderr.
[20:36] <lordcirth> netameta, but error messages would still be printed to screen
[20:36] <netameta> I am fine with them being printed yea
[20:37] <EriC^^> netameta: they won't go to the file if you care about that
[20:37] <lordcirth> netameta, for example, run 'find / > list' - the names of files will be saved, permission denied errors will be printed
[20:38] <netameta> lordcirth, I see
[20:38] <gonui> EriC^^; it s big 21 gb
[20:38] <netameta> so how will i make everything go to the file ?
[20:38] <netameta> 2>&1 ?
[20:38] <EriC^^> netameta: yeah
[20:38] <gonui> EriC^^; should i delete those log files ??
[20:38] <EriC^^> if you want both, printed on the screen + goes to file there's "tee"
[20:39] <EriC^^> ./script.sh | tee file
[20:39] <EriC^^> gonui: not until you see what's causing it in the first place
[20:39] <EriC^^> gonui: if you want do sudo >/var/log/kern.log
[20:40] <EriC^^> gonui: the errors will be in syslog too
[20:40] <gonui> EriC^^; what does it do ?
[20:40] <EriC^^> gonui: makes it an empty file
[20:40] <lordcirth> gonui, that will empty the log.  I wouldn't do that
[20:40] <EriC^^> lordcirth: it's like 20gb
[20:40] <halakar_> hey guys
[20:41] <gonui> lordcirth ;  ?
[20:41] <halakar_> anyone here know much about how to access a dat72 tape drive under ubuntu?  kind of an emergency.
[20:41] <lordcirth> EriC^^, there's plenty of time to delete it, after he's fixed the problem.
[20:41] <halakar_> lsusb sees it, but I don't know how the hell to mount the damn thing
[20:41] <halakar_> I'm on ubuntu 14.04LTS
[20:41] <EriC^^> lordcirth: well, the same stuff will be in /var/log/syslog
[20:42] <halakar_> any assistance would be appreciated, thx
[20:42] <gonui> lordcirth ; am planning on doing an upgrade from 15.04 to 16,04 i want it to go  smooth without problems ..
[20:42] <cool3> who wants problems anyway ?
[20:42] <Jordan_U> halakar_: You don't mount tape drives since they're not random access (not even close).
[20:42] <lordcirth> halakar_, what does 'lsblk' show?
[20:43] <lordcirth> nvrm^
[20:43] <halakar_> ks
[20:43] <halakar_> well here's the deal
[20:43] <gonui> EriC^^ ; should i upgrade first from Software & updates ?
[20:43] <halakar_> these people need to access a backup on a tape drive that was made with an old as crap version of unix/linux
[20:43] <EriC^^> gonui: no, check kern.log and see what it says
[20:43] <netameta> is there a way to print environment variable into a file ?
[20:43] <halakar_> lordcirth: Hang on and I'll tell you
[20:43] <netameta> because the above didnt seem to work
[20:43] <lordcirth> halakar_, don't bother, if it's not a block device
[20:44] <Jordan_U> halakar_: I've never used a tape drive myself, but I would expect that you would use tar (Tape ARchive) to get the data on and off it.
[20:44] <halakar_> yeah, i was using fdisk -l and it didn't show anything
[20:44] <EriC^^> netameta: maybe join #bash ?
[20:44] <halakar_> Jordan_U: right - but I need to be able to view some of the data on the tape
[20:44] <halakar_> so that i can scrape it off or extract it somehow
[20:44] <SaltySolomon> Hi, I got an issue with networking, the leds are lit, but the interface says it is down and I cannot get it back up :/
[20:44] <Cmaj6> I'm following along a tutorial about learning openGL using cpp. I can program in java, but never touched cpp. The tutorial provides some header files to be included. However, what is best practice regarding storing those header files? In other words: can i puit these header files in /usr/include/ or shoudl i put them in the directory of the cpp project?
[20:45] <Jordan_U> halakar_: Dump all of the data off the drive and into a file (which I presume will end up being a .tar file) then work from there.
[20:45] <halakar_> right, but i need to be able to READ the thing.  how to read the data that is on the tape?
[20:45] <netameta> EriC^^, thanks will do
[20:45] <halakar_> It's an HP DAT72 external USB drive
[20:45] <halakar_> it shows up under lsusb
[20:45] <Jordan_U> halakar_: Also, if it is as important as you're implying then don't actually *do* anything until you have done a good deal of research to be sure you don't accidentally erase the data you're trying to read.
[20:46] <lordcirth> halakar_, do you have a /dev/st0 ?
[20:46] <halakar_> hang on
[20:46] <OerHeks> halakar_, i assume that tape is listed under /dev/nst0 >> http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/stricker/lab/linux_tape.html
[20:46] <halakar_> I have a /dev/tape
[20:46] <halakar_> under /dev/tape there are two subdirs, one says 'by-id'
[20:46] <halakar_> one says 'by-dev'
[20:47] <halakar_> the 'by-id' contains a few items that do have in the name 'hb-usb' which is the make and interface of this USB tape drive
[20:47] <Jordan_U> halakar_: ls -l /dev/tape/*/
[20:48] <Jordan_U> halakar_: I'll bet they're all symlinks to the one actual device.
[20:48] <halakar_> dmesg shows the device being detected and what not when i plug it in
[20:48] <fluvian> I want sudo to always prompt me for a password, but I don't want to allow password logins on my account... is this possible?
[20:48] <halakar_> [ 1454.165989] st 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi tape st0 [ 1454.166002] st 8:0:0:0: st0: try direct i/o: yes (alignment 512 B) [ 1454.166200] st 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 1
[20:49] <lordcirth> fluvian, as in, you want auto-login locally?
[20:49] <fluvian> lordcirth: not quite. I want ssh pubkey login to be the only way to login to my account
[20:49] <lordcirth> fluvian, oh, ok.
[20:50] <lordcirth> fluvian, so you set up & test your key login, then disable password auth in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:50] <fluvian> but I also want to be prompted for a password when I sudo. locking my account works for preventing login, but then I have to set nopasswd sudo otherwise it's unusable
[20:50] <fluvian> lordcirth: that works, except another auth'd user can then password login to my account locally
[20:50] <lordcirth> fluvian, you mean with su?
[20:51] <halakar_> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/Di3RgqnQ
[20:51] <erebel55> okay, so I wrote a systemd script and read up on all of that
[20:51] <erebel55> but now when I start I am getting
[20:51] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/92PIZD6.png
[20:51] <erebel55> refusing to run with the root privileges
[20:51] <fluvian> lordcirth: with su or login
[20:51] <lordcirth> erebel55, well, you shouldn't run game servers as root, so that makes sense.
[20:52] <lordcirth> erebel55, you can make a service account for the game server, and run as that.
[20:52] <cool3> how long does it take to know linux ? reading ebooks and practical knowledge ?
[20:53] <lordcirth> fluvian, have you considered not allowing untrusted users on your machine?
[20:53] <Jordan_U> halakar_: Please use http://paste.debian.net and provide the raw plain text link.
[20:53] <lordcirth> cool3, "know linux" cannot be defined.
[20:53] <halakar_> http://paste.debian.net/732097/
[20:53] <lordcirth> cool3, know linux well enough to do what?
[20:54] <cool3> lordcirth, know linux to do server install and maintenance
[20:54] <cool3> lordcirth, to be a network administrator
[20:55] <lordcirth> cool3, hard to say.  Could be as low as 1 year, if you learn fast.
[20:55] <erebel55> lordcirth, when I don't run as sudo it gives me this http://i.imgur.com/FRlk5XO.png
[20:55] <lordcirth> But I'd think more like 2-3
[20:55] <halakar_> I have to go, I'll be back later guys.  I'm sure there's a way to access this tape
[20:55] <halakar_> Jordan_U: maybe I'll catch you later man.
[20:56] <lordcirth> erebel55, you change the user the service runs as in the .service file, not by who starts it
[20:56] <lordcirth> erebel55, and it shouldn't run as you, it should run as it's own user
[20:56] <cool3> lordcirth, ok i have time. so i will focus on this :) thanks
[20:56] <Tin_man> cool3 if you have a spare old pc, just setup a server at home, and learn at your own pace
[20:56] <gonui> Eric**: when i tried opening the kern.log ubuntu crashed !!
[20:56] <notadeveloper> how do i install add-apt-repository
[20:57] <fluvian> lordcirth: good general advice. but if an unprivileged user is compromised, they could maybe access my account and hence root. I guess using a decent password will be good enough.
[20:57] <OerHeks> notadeveloper, on what ubuntu version? it shold be standard available AFAIK
[20:57] <cool3> Tin_man, yes i have a spare old celeron system. are you guys all pro and work in that field ? they said i will have to update my knowledge every 6 months
[20:57] <notadeveloper> on ubuntu container
[20:57] <erebel55> lordcirth, oh okay yeah my service file is really simple right now http://pastebin.com/5WvJBNbQ
[20:57] <lordcirth> fluvian, but what openings allow such an unprivileged user into your system?  Actual users or services?
[20:58] <lordcirth> cool3, you will have to update certain parts of knowledge every 6 mo.  Not all of it will be obsolete that fast.
[20:59] <Tin_man> i'm not a pro, but i set up my own home server for file sharing, and printer sharing, lot of how to's out there
[20:59] <cool3> lordcirth, oh cool
[20:59] <fluvian> real users, whom I know personally, but I don't necessarily trust their opsec
[20:59] <OerHeks> notadeveloper, try: man add-apt-repository # to see if it is there, else install software-properties-commo
[20:59] <lordcirth> fluvian, are you sure they need to be on your OS?  Do they just need a linux system?  ie, could you give them a container?
[20:59] <fluvian> lordcirth: i mean, i don't trust them to observe good security practices
[21:00] <cool3> Tin_man, yes i will begin to do it at home :)
[21:00] <cool3> ty
[21:00] <fluvian> lordcirth: that's also possible
[21:00] <lordcirth> fluvian, LXD containers are simple, fast, and more secure than having an untrusted user on the system, no matter how much you try to lock them down.
[21:00] <Tin_man> i'm still learning, had some trouble with CUPS, but the other parts are fairly simple to grasp.
[21:01] <lordcirth> Just make sure you make unprivileged containers
[21:01] <lordcirth> Tin_man, everyone has trouble with CUPS
[21:01] <gonui> most of the hard disk space is in the /var directory , i lost space from home directory ..
[21:01] <Tin_man> that makes me feel better lordcirth ..
[21:02] <lordcirth> Printers are a huge pain in general
[21:02] <erebel55> lordcirth, by service account do you mean an account that is locked with usermod -L ?
[21:02] <Tin_man> take care all, be back later..
[21:02] <fluvian> lordcirth: OK, I'll consider that.
[21:02] <cool3> lordcirth, printers with programmed obscolecence is difficult
[21:02] <gonui> lordcirth; am not sure what to do ..
[21:03] <lordcirth> gonui, well, did you find out what is spamming your logs?  I wasn't watching
[21:04] <gonui> lordcirth; how to fix it ? do a clean install ?
[21:04] <lordcirth> gonui, what's the problem?
[21:04] <gonui> lordcirth: most of the hard disk space is in the /var directory , i lost space from home directory
[21:05] <lordcirth> gonui, yeah, because your logs are huge.  That's not the problem, that's a symptom.  What made your logs so huge?
[21:06] <erebel55> lordcirth, I setup a user and added that to the .service file. But I'm still getting this org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided error
[21:07] <lordcirth> erebel55, are you running systemctl as root?
[21:07] <gonui> lordcirth : me ? lol
[21:07] <erebel55> lordcirth, no
[21:07] <lordcirth> gonui, are your logs still growing fast?  If not, feel free to truncate them and carry on.  If they are, that's a problem.
[21:07] <lordcirth> erebel55, well, you need to.
[21:07] <erebel55> okay, thank you
[21:08] <lordcirth> systemctl generally runs as root, but it starts services as various users
[21:08] <gonui> lordcirth ; how can i test if they are growing fast?
[21:08] <lordcirth> gonui, tail -f will follow the end of the file
[21:09] <gonui> lordcirth ; how to use tail -f  to follow kern.log ?
[21:10] <lordcirth> gonui, 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log'
[21:11] <Bashing-om> gonui: ^^ in a new terminal interface .
[21:11] <gonui> Bashing-om ; no need to use sudo , right ?
[21:12] <lordcirth> gonui, you are just reading, no need to sudo
[21:12] <Bashing-om> gonui: Correct .. sudo only as needed .. no need here .
[21:12] <gonui> lordcirth ; run the command and just leave the terminal and do something else ?
[21:13] <tojoko> is there any distribution thats able to boot and run from a sd-card via pci right out of the box?
[21:13] <lordcirth> gonui, well, a minute or 2 should do.  If it keeps printing a LOT of new stuff, then something is wrong
[21:13] <lordcirth> If not, then whatever problem filled your log is probably gone, and you can delete them
[21:13] <gonui> lordcirth ; just browsing or i should do other stuff ??
[21:13] <erebel55> lordcirth, thank you that worked. Now I'm getting other ambigious errors
[21:13] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/HPNanCy.png
[21:14] <lordcirth> gonui, probably doesn't matter.
[21:14] <gonui> lordcirth ; i see
[21:14] <Norux> hi guys, I have a very dumb question. How can I turn a video by 90 degrees?
[21:15] <lordcirth> erebel55, move the game server files to a location that the service user owns
[21:15] <lordcirth> erebel55, the point of the service user is that it can't read your home directory
[21:16] <erebel55> ahh okay, I will try that
[21:16] <craigbass76> Is ther ea real lightweight distro anyone can think of? slow internet, and I need to run fsck on a box
[21:17] <nairwolf> lubuntu ?
[21:17] <craigbass76> nairwolf, lighter
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> craigbass76  ask in #linux, or ##linux
[21:22] <Yuri4_> Can someone help me to understand, why my cronotab -e @reboot script doesn't run?
[21:22] <craigbass76> MonkeyDust, Going to try puppy -- ;looks lightweight
[21:23] <Yuri4_> sleep 30; mount -t cifs //secret.file.core.windows.net/cgi-bin /var/www/course/cgi-bin -o uid=33,gid=1000,vers=3.0,username=secret,password=PASSWORD,dir_mode=0755,file_mode=0644
[21:24] <erebel55> lordcirth, still giving me the same thing
[21:24] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/PgPQkWx.png
[21:28] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/isMitWv.png
[21:28] <soLucien> hello guys ! I want to use apt-proxy to download packages
[21:28] <soLucien> and cache them
[21:28] <soLucien> my question is:
[21:28] <soLucien> how to overwrite the sources list
[21:28] <soLucien> so that it points to the apt-proxy ?
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> !find apt-proxy
[21:29] <erebel55> http://i.imgur.com/w1IPG0b.png
[21:30] <soLucien> http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/
[21:30] <erebel55> lordcirth, that is the folder permissions, systemd file, and error
[21:30] <soLucien> so i run this on a machine
[21:31] <cihhan> hi all! i have one question: is there a way to create a new partition by shrinking LVM root partition online?
[21:31] <soLucien> then i want the vm machine to use the apt-proxy to retrieve the packages
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> soLucien  is that a server?
[21:31] <soLucien> so i want to overwrite sources.list
[21:31] <soLucien> yes
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> soLucien  try in #ubuntu-server
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> soLucien  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy
[21:33] <soLucien> http://pasteboard.co/1yYdZxjv.png
[21:34] <Hulio> hi guys, i remember there is an alias file  something like  'pico .basrc'  where is that?
[21:34] <Hulio> i wnat to make an alias
[21:34] <Hulio> please show me thankls.
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> Hulio  try   nano  ~/.bashrc
[21:35] <Hulio> oh
[21:35] <Hulio> i can't use pico ?
[21:35] <Nobgul> yes
[21:35] <Nobgul> pico and nano are the same
[21:35] <Hulio> oh
[21:35] <erebel55> man why is this so hard. I just want to run a service >_<
[21:36] <Hulio> do I put alias to the last line in file?
[21:36] <Hulio> or any where?
[21:36] <Nobgul> Hulio: the file is hidden you should be able to see the other hideen files with ls -al
[21:36] <Hulio> i know, but i can add text to the last line of file?
[21:36] <Hulio> or begining of the file?
[21:37] <Nobgul> before the fi
[21:37] <Hulio> ok
[21:37] <Nobgul> the fi exits it
[21:37] <Nobgul> there should be other alias there already
[21:38] <dax> the fi doesn't exit it.
[21:38] <Hulio> ok how to refersh what i put in?
[21:38] <Hulio> i save the file
[21:38] <dax> the `fi` is the close of the `if` function a few lines earlier
[21:38] <Hulio> i dont want to reboot, how to refresh the file
[21:38] <dax> source ~/.bashrc
[21:38] <Hulio> oh
[21:38] <Hulio> thanks
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> Hulio  i put my aliases on top of the file, e.g. 'agi=sudo apt-get installstall'
[21:39] <goddard> how can i get access to usb ports with wireshark in 16.04?
[21:39] <Nobgul> I should have explained the "exit" better.
[21:39] <goddard> it keeps sayaing i dont have permission
[21:39] <Hulio> ok, can someone give me example:     i want alias       cls =  clear
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> typo*
[21:39] <Hulio> give emample please
[21:39] <goddard> ive added the wireshark group like suggested
[21:39] <Nobgul> alias rm='rm -i'
[21:39] <goddard> even rebooted
[21:39] <Hulio> let say i want clear   to be cls
[21:39] <Hulio> can it be done?
[21:40] <LtL> ubottu: alias cls='clear'
[21:40] <Hulio> ok thanks
[21:40] <LtL> Hulio: alias cls='clear'
[21:40] <genii> Hulio: Nobgul gave an example, as you requested
[21:40] <goddard> the wireshark wiki says nothing
[21:40] <Hulio> it working
[21:40] <Hulio> beautifully
[21:40] <Hulio> thanks LtL
[21:41] <Hulio> LtL, you're smart
[21:41] <LtL> np Hulio
[21:41] <Nobgul> goddard: There is a wireshark channel on here, Not saying someone here can't help but i know i sure cant lol
[21:41] <goddard> Nobgul: thanks i am in that channel as well
[21:41]  * Hulio i salute lt
[21:41] <goddard> i remember a fix to this in the past
[21:41] <Hulio> i salute LtL
[21:41] <goddard> but the same doesn't seem to be working
[21:41] <Nobgul> If your system can see the ports then it is 100% a wireshark issue.
[21:41] <lordcirth> erebel55, was afk for supper.  Those permissions look fine to me.
[21:42] <cihhan> hi all! i have one question: is there a way to create a new partition by shrinking LVM root partition online?
[21:42] <Hulio> LtL, is that alias only for me?
[21:42] <Hulio> or for other uses as well?
[21:43] <Nobgul> You
[21:43] <Hulio> oh
[21:43] <lordcirth> erebel55, su to omniwar user, and try running the command directly.  It may provide more details.
[21:43] <Hulio> can't be assign globally?
[21:43] <Nobgul> each user has a bachrc file
[21:43] <Nobgul> Hulio: it can and i forget how
[21:43] <Nobgul> lol
[21:43] <Hulio> i see
[21:43] <EriC^> Hulio, /etc/bash.bashrc
[21:43] <Hulio> ok let me try that
[21:43] <Nobgul> there u go i just couldnt remember the path lol
[21:43] <Hulio> and delete from my bash
[21:44] <lordcirth> cihhan, you can, if the filesystem supports it.  But please back up first.
[21:44] <zuhaitz> Hi
[21:44] <Nobgul> hi zuhaitz
[21:44] <goddard> Oh i think usbmon isn't install in the 16.04 kernel
[21:44] <goddard> it says it is a module
[21:45] <goddard> can i get it in a pacakge?
[21:45] <goddard> doing a search for usbmon says nothing
[21:45] <Hulio> permision deny
[21:45] <Hulio> what the heck
[21:45] <Hulio> sudo ?
[21:45] <zuhaitz> I installed Ubuntu 16.04 in a laptop with nvidia and intel graphics but I can only manage to have intel (official) and nvidia (nouveau), I want to install nvidia official ones but it doesnt work, can anybody help please?
[21:45] <Nobgul> yes
[21:45] <Nobgul> You need to be root
[21:45] <Nobgul> to touch stuff in /etc
[21:46] <lordcirth> goddard, grep CONFIG_USB_MON /boot/config-`uname -r`
[21:46] <Nobgul> either sudo or su one or the other depending on how your setup
[21:46] <Hulio> working now
[21:46] <lordcirth> goddard, will tell you whether it's a module or not, which on mine it is
[21:46] <Hulio> cool eric^
[21:46] <Hulio> Eric^ you're way smartter
[21:46] <LtL> Hulio: better to just add aliases in your /home/user/.bashrc file
[21:46] <Hulio> thanks
[21:46] <Bashing-om> zuhaitz: The utility " Additional Drivers" offers what for graphic's drivers ?
[21:47] <Hulio> do i need to pay you?
[21:47] <zuhaitz> Dual graphics nvidia+intel ( 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 840M]  + VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller) But I cant use official nvidia drivers, only nouveau works.
[21:47] <Hulio> what is the charge?
[21:47] <LtL> Hulio: there should be more aliases in that file, just un-comment them
[21:47] <Hulio> ok
[21:47] <EriC^> Hulio: 1 million dollars
[21:47] <goddard> zuhaitz: i am using a 970m and it works perfectly
[21:47] <zuhaitz> goddard: nice for you, not my case
[21:47] <FManTropyx> I avoid denied permissions by always being root, but some people don't recommend it :)
[21:48] <Hulio> ok last one, is there command to shut down system?
[21:48] <goddard> zuhaitz: i had a 840m working as well
[21:48] <Hulio> via terminal
[21:48] <goddard> zuhaitz: ^
[21:48] <zuhaitz> goddard: with intel?
[21:48] <goddard> zuhaitz: you should try the legeacy
[21:48] <Hulio> i know there is 'sudo reboot'
[21:48] <lordcirth> Hulio, 'poweroff'
[21:48] <EriC^> Hulio: poweroff
[21:48] <deviation> Hi, I've got a weird problem with a linux machine I'm using for work. When I go to install a package via apt I get 'E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.', but when I run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', it just hangs on one particular package
[21:48] <zuhaitz> goddard: intel + nvidia?
[21:48] <goddard> zuhaitz: you probably need to install bumblebee
[21:48] <zuhaitz> i did
[21:48] <genii> Also, shutdown -h now
[21:48] <zuhaitz> and primus
[21:48] <Nobgul> shutdown -r now
[21:48] <goddard> zuhaitz: did you try prime switch instead then?
[21:48] <Hulio> wow
[21:48] <Hulio> it is working
[21:48] <Nobgul> will work as well
[21:48] <Hulio> nice man
[21:48] <zuhaitz> Yes
[21:49] <Hulio> you guys are amazing
[21:49] <zuhaitz> but If I do lsmod there is no nvidia
[21:49] <lordcirth> deviation, what package?
[21:49] <deviation> actually my whole computer becomes unresponsive when I run dpkg --configure -a..
[21:49] <Hulio> thi this is fascinating
[21:49] <deviation> ossec-hids-agent
[21:49] <genii> Nobgul: Yep I prefer shutdown since just -h or -r , instead of differently named other commands
[21:49] <zuhaitz> ~$ optirun glxgears [  784.334693] [ERROR]You've no permission to communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the 'bumblebee' group [  784.334711] [ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running?
[21:49] <lordcirth> Hulio, yeah, learning the command line is pretty fun :)
[21:49] <deviation> looks like some security software my work has installed
[21:49] <cihhan> lordcirth, I have LVM but the problem is that I cant unmount it to shrink.
[21:50] <lordcirth> cihhan, are you using ext4 filesystem?
[21:50] <zuhaitz> I am part of the group
[21:50] <Hulio> lordcirth, it's like i command the computer
[21:50] <Hulio> i'm in charge of my pc
[21:50] <Nobgul> genii: As far as i know -r will give no warning and just shutdown kinda an ememrgency shutdown.
[21:50] <zuhaitz> and it is running
[21:50] <lordcirth> Hulio, indeed you do :)  That's why I switched to Linux.
[21:50] <cihhan> lordcirth, yes
[21:50] <Jordan_U> Nobgul: -r is short for reboot.
[21:50] <lordcirth> cihhan, backup anything important first, just in case
[21:51] <Nobgul> really -_-
[21:51] <goddard> zuhaitz: usermod -aG bumblebee zuhaitz
[21:51] <goddard> or what ever your username is on your linux box
[21:51] <Nobgul> Jordan_U: thanks for the clarifcation.
[21:51] <lordcirth> cihhan, Can you boot off a livecd?
[21:51] <lordcirth> or USB
[21:51] <Jordan_U> Nobgul: You're welcome.
[21:51] <deviation> is there a way to see what's in the queue to be configured (ie, what is dpkg --configure -a about to configure?) and stop it from trying to configure those?
[21:51] <zuhaitz> goddard: what nvidia- did you install?
[21:51] <goddard> zuhaitz: after you add yourself to that group you will have to logout and then in
[21:52] <zuhaitz> current? what number?
[21:52] <goddard> zuhaitz: did you add yourself to the group?
[21:52] <zuhaitz> I am part of the group
[21:52] <zuhaitz> yes I am
[21:52] <cihhan> lordcirth, unfortunately it is a VM on the cloud so I dont have such a luxury :(
[21:52] <lordcirth> cihhan, ah I see
[21:52] <goddard> zuhaitz: i installed version 342 i think
[21:52] <goddard> zuhaitz: it was awhile ago and i dont have that system any moore
[21:52] <erebel55> lordcirth, yeah I forgot the -R when I did the chown on the dir. so my user wasn't owner of the executable
[21:52] <zuhaitz> goddard: ...
[21:52] <zuhaitz> I am getting mad
[21:53] <zuhaitz> intel
[21:53] <zuhaitz> i915 + nouveau
[21:53] <gonui> lordcirth ; are you there ?
[21:53] <zuhaitz> is what I get working
[21:53] <zuhaitz> :(
[21:53] <lordcirth> erebel55, ah, that would do it.  Just be careful with chown or chmod -R, we had a guy earlier break his whole system with them.
[21:53] <cool3> it s so cool that you dont have virus with linux !!
[21:53] <zuhaitz> so then no libcuda no 100% hardware
[21:53] <lordcirth> gonui, hi
[21:54] <erebel55> lordcirth, oh wow, yay it's working now :D seems like systemd should have been able to give me a decent error message for something simple like that tho :/
[21:54] <lordcirth> cool3, Linux is pretty secure, but you still need to be careful.  Do updates when they come out, and don't run random programs from the internet, especially as root :)
[21:54] <Nobgul> cool3: not true at all. Well 1/2 true you have to worry about rootkits etc
[21:54] <lordcirth> erebel55, well, it's more a matter of the program not giving systemd proper error messages, I think.
[21:54] <cihhan> lordcirth, that s why im wondering if there is a way to do it
[21:54] <gonui> lordcirth ; see what happened to " tail -f /var/log/kern.log " after nearly an hour http://paste.ubuntu.com/17157363/
[21:54] <Nobgul> Always a good idea to create a user and run as that and sudo or su when you need to.
[21:55] <lordcirth> gonui, ok, so you're fine.  Should be ok to delete the massive logs.
[21:55] <gonui> lordcirth: only 4 lines where added
[21:55] <cool3> lordcirth, Nobgul yes you have to find trusted sources. rootkits and worms but well it s better than having a windows full of adwares and spywares
[21:55] <cool3> and it run so much faster
[21:55] <lordcirth> cool3, it certainly is.  I just like to warn people not to get careless :)
[21:56] <gonui> lordcirth ; should i delete the whole file kern.log , just emty it ?
[21:56] <erebel55> lordcirth, thanks for all of your help!
[21:56] <cool3> lordcirth, i will follow your wise advice :)
[21:57] <gonui> lordcirth ; what is the command to delete the logs ?
[21:57] <lordcirth> gonui, try running 'sudo /etc/cron.daily/logrotate'
[21:57] <lordcirth> gonui, it should start a new log file, allowing you to delete the old ones safely
[21:58] <olivier> Hello
[21:58] <gonui> lordcirth ; by the way i have in the /var directory two kern.log and kern.log1 , the first is more massive
[21:58] <FManTropyx> when does cron.daily execute?
[21:59] <lordcirth> FManTropyx, well, it should run daily, of course, if enabled.  Not sure what time.
[21:59] <olivier> How do i join another IRC?
[21:59] <lordcirth> olivier, another channel, or server?
[21:59] <Nobgul> Another channel?
[21:59] <olivier> server i think
[21:59] <Nobgul> olivier: /server irc.servername.com
[21:59] <lordcirth> gonui, yeah, and logrotate should move 1 to 2, and your current to 1, and start a new kern.log.
[22:00] <Nobgul> Replace irc.servername.com with the right server address or ip
[22:00] <Nobgul> guess he got it
[22:00] <lordcirth> gonui, did it work?
[22:00] <gonui> lordcirth ; ok what is the command to delete the kern.log from terminal first ?
[22:01] <Nobgul> rm -rf file
[22:01] <lordcirth> Nobgul, no
[22:01] <Nobgul> ?
[22:01] <gonui> lordcirt; " error: error creating output file /var/log/syslog.1.gz: File exists
[22:01] <lordcirth> you do not need either -r or -f
[22:01] <lordcirth> Nobgul, don't get in the habit of throwing those on rm
[22:01] <Nobgul> Old habit always use -rf
[22:01] <LtL> gonui: rm /var/log/kern.log
[22:01] <Nobgul> I know recursive and force
[22:02] <lordcirth> kern1.log, not kern.log
[22:02] <Nobgul> just old habbits
[22:02] <lordcirth> kern.log should be tiny now because of rotate
[22:02] <lordcirth> Nobgul, yeah, otherwise known as "danger" and "more danger".  Try to break the habit :)
[22:03] <Nobgul> lordcirth:not sure how many years now but more then 20 i think been using it
[22:04] <gonui> lordcirth ; do i need to reboot , to notice difference ?
[22:04] <lordcirth> gonui, no
[22:05] <lordcirth> gonui, just delete all the numbered kern#.log and syslog#.log, and you should have lots of space
[22:06] <xafarderr> does anybody use gnome flashback?
[22:06] <lordcirth> If you delete kern.log itself, that won't free any space until you restart the services, ie by rebooting
[22:06] <xafarderr> can't show trash can nor home file on desktop in gnome flashback
[22:13] <hurasafe> hello guys. Can Someone help me installing python oldnumeric?
[22:15] <HadesWatch3r> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS 4.2 kernel from Wily..  when I use terminal and go apt update ... says nothing ... but software updater says there is stuff and then updates..  ?
[22:16] <moonequito> Trying to get an Ubuntu box with Vagrant and I'm getting a 404 error when it tries to get the box from http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-vagrant.box
[22:17] <Bashing-om> HadesWatch3r: 2 terminal commands ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' .
[22:17] <HadesWatch3r> tks...
[22:17] <HadesWatch3r> so have to run them both.. ?
[22:17] <HadesWatch3r> always.
[22:18] <Bashing-om> HadesWatch3r: Yeah ,, if it your goal to update the installed softwares .
[22:18] <HadesWatch3r> ok, thank you.
[22:19] <Bashing-om> HadesWatch3r: update to sync the data bases ,, and upgrade to do the package upgrades .
[22:23] <gonui> I have ubuntu 15.04 what is the right way to upgrade ??
[22:24] <k1l_> gonui: run the update-manager if that is a desktop
[22:24] <tgm4883> !eol | gonui
[22:24] <tgm4883> k1l_: those repos should be gone by now
[22:24] <k1l_> that still should find the 15.10 repos and upgrade, iirc
[22:24] <gonui> k1l_; you mean from the Software updater GUI ??
[22:25] <tgm4883> k1l_: hmm, you might be right
[22:25] <k1l_> gonui: press alt+F2, "update-manager"
[22:25] <OerHeks> moonequito, known issue, check out in #vagrant
[22:26] <moonequito> oh, thanks! *heads over to #vagrant*
[22:26] <xmlnewbi> im useing full disk encyption and im trying to find a way to unecrypt it
[22:27] <xmlnewbi> Im only able to open it via the live book disk. and all my installs cant access it. Im woried im going to loose the data if I keep messing around with it
[22:27] <gonui> k1l_; am running an update in 15.04 now when it finish i will press upgrade ..
[22:28] <xmlnewbi> I keep reading its impossible to remove full disk encryption is that true?
[22:29] <OerHeks> xmlnewbi, the fastest way is to create a new user without encryption and transfer files, i don't know any way to decrypt and keep the files
[22:29] <dax> OerHeks: full disk encryption, not home-directory encryption
[22:29] <dax> but yes, you want to move the stuff you want to keep somewhere else and then reinstall
[22:29] <OerHeks> xmlnewbi, dax oh, my bad
[22:29] <xmlnewbi> its 400gigs and my second drive is only 120gig arg
[22:30] <xmlnewbi> it is full disk encryption, ugh
[22:30] <xmlnewbi> is repairing bootloaders on an encrypted system drive really that risky. the boot repair tool keeps telling me to backup
[22:36] <chiluk> what would be the best way to prevent my machine from suspending on critically low battery?
[22:36] <user2635> > If I've done make install and make for a particular package, how do I backtrack the changes? (i'm a newbie who just followed a guide, now want to clean things up)
[22:36] <chiluk> basically I've got a broken battery which reports 0% power, but in fact has plenty.
[22:36] <TBotNik> All, Trying to fix problem I posted at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5558619#post5558619
[22:40] <lordcirth_> chiluk, search "power" in dash, that should find the settings I think
[22:41] <DGMurdockIII> is there any api or source code for the http://paste.ubuntu.com/?
[22:42] <user2635> Does mv move hidden files too if I do /directory/*? If not, how do I do it?
[22:43] <lordcirth_> user2635, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89749/cp-hidden-files-with-glob-patterns#89753
[22:43] <Player_> How do I add another user with sudo access to an Ubuntu server?    I have to boot the installer in EFI mode for it to create a 4TB partition, right?
[22:44] <lordcirth_> user2635, you could use the output of `ls -A` IF there are no special characters or spaces in filenames
[22:44] <lordcirth_> Player_, adding them to group 'sudo' should do
[22:44] <Player_> lordcirth_, so none of the other groups are necessary?
[22:45] <user2635> lordcirth_, thanks
[22:45] <lordcirth_> Player_, the others may be useful.  However if they have sudo they could grant themselves the others if needed.
[22:54] <user2635> Is there a way to save the text from a terminal session? So I have a log of what I did?
[22:54] <lordcirth_> user2635, bash already does that.  Run 'history'
[22:54] <user2635> Other than using the mouse to select everything from top to bottom and copy+paste
[22:54] <sadlee> user 2635 it's in history
[22:54] <lordcirth_> However, it only saves commands, not results
[22:54] <user2635> i'm also talking about results
[22:54] <lordcirth> There is a program to record that too, one sec
[22:55] <user2635> basically at this stage, i have to manually copy
[22:55] <user2635> but for next time, I have to remember the program
[22:55] <lordcirth> user2635, here: http://www.linuxnix.com/record-terminalshell-session-linux/
[22:55] <chiluk> lordcirth: wasn't going to be that simple.. as what to do on critical power is greyed out in the power settings tool
[22:55] <nacc> user2635: typescript (`script` command)
[22:55] <chiluk> lordcirth:    i ended up doing this.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/378440/how-to-avoid-shutdown-on-critical-battery
[22:56] <lordcirth> chiluk, glad you found a solution
[22:56] <lordcirth> nacc, yeah, that's what I just linked him
[22:56] <user2635> in that case, is there a shortcut for me to Select All on the current terminal session
[22:57] <user2635> that way i don't have to use my mouse to drag and select the whole text
[22:57] <user2635> shortcut key*
[22:58] <lordcirth> I'm not aware of one
[22:58] <user2635> its alright
[22:59] <user2635> I just did shift + home, then used my mouse to select everything
[23:02] <sadlee> There are some almost there solutions here user2635 http://superuser.com/questions/357248/how-to-copy-the-terminal-output
[23:03] <sadlee> I used to listen to the badapples podcast and thought I remembered Klaatu talking about an alternative terminal that could do it, but I never followed up. I'm not really abash buff
[23:04] <user2635> sadlee, thanks
[23:04] <user2635> I'll just copy paste for now, the other solutions don't seem newbie friendly
[23:05] <user2635> Is there an advantage to using just the terminal for file management?
[23:05] <user2635> I don't know if I should go extreme and just ditch my gui file manager
[23:05] <HackerII> noobie or not, linux makes men out of anybody.
[23:05] <user2635> HackerII, lmao
[23:05] <lordcirth> user2635, well, it helps you get familiar with it.  Just be careful, there is no "recycle bin" on the command line.
[23:05] <lordcirth> I do most of my file management from the command line now.
[23:06] <user2635> lordcirth, true, I forgot that point
[23:06] <lordcirth> rm is rm, and that's that.
[23:06] <lordcirth> Unless you have snapshots :)
[23:06] <user2635> I don't have snapshops
[23:06] <user2635> I don't have snapshots
[23:07] <sadlee> If you use I prefer pcmanfm - you get a gui and the baility to drop into the cli right there where you are
[23:07] <HackerII> when your intimidated, you lose your cool, its all about mindset.
[23:07] <sadlee> My  typos were crazy there. Hope that made just enough sense :)
[23:08] <R13ose> How do I get rid of the clicking sound of the mouse?
[23:08] <HackerII> sound prefs
[23:08] <HackerII> you had turn it on
[23:08] <HackerII> turn it off
[23:09] <user2635> sadlee, i'll look into it later thanks
[23:09] <hurasafe> hello
[23:09] <hurasafe> can someone teach me how to register?
[23:10] <R13ose> HackerII: which prefs?
[23:10] <OerHeks> hurasafe, register where ?
[23:10] <hurasafe> on the #python channel
[23:10] <HackerII> ! register | hurasafe
[23:10] <sadlee> You mean with Nickserv ?
[23:10] <OerHeks> oh freenode, see ubottu
[23:11] <R13ose> HackerII: Which sound prefs do I turn off?
[23:11] <HackerII> R13ose: system/prefs/sound
[23:11] <HackerII> on the bottom
[23:11] <HackerII> aka, "make noises when i use anything"
[23:13] <R13ose> HackerII: I don't see that "make noises when i use anything"
[23:13] <hurasafe>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER hurasafe xqofvqxtisrj
[23:13] <HackerII> wow, it was paraphrased,
[23:14] <HackerII> R13ose:  uncheck, enable window and button sounds
[23:14] <lordcirth> hurasafe, 1: don't do that here in channel, and 2: don't put a space in front.
[23:15] <HackerII> hurasafe:  change the passwrd, and do it in a pvt window
[23:15] <hurasafe> lordcirth, sorry. I'm new to this
[23:15] <Myrtti> HackerII: it wasn't a password
[23:15] <R13ose> HackerII: I don't see anything like that.
[23:15] <HackerII> use your own nick as a personal window
[23:15] <HackerII> ok, ic
[23:16] <HackerII> R13ose:  if you are using unity, it may be different, i have never used unity.
[23:16] <R13ose> HackerII: yep unity.
[23:17] <HackerII> R13ose:  it may be different, i am old school and have never used unity, my apologies.
[23:18] <R13ose> Anyone else have ideas?
[23:18] <HackerII> R13ose:  search sound properties in a search
[23:19] <Cykrix> anyone around who can help me with my nvidia card crashing? I had it fixed before I reset it but i forgot how I did it originally :|
[23:19] <Cykrix> i had to update it to something
[23:20] <OerHeks> clicking sound mouse .. maybe your mouse is loud, not speakers at all .. i cannot find such setting
[23:20] <R13ose> HackerII: I only see the sound system prefs
[23:20] <OerHeks> not under systemsettings > sound or accessibility
[23:21] <HackerII> its there
[23:22] <R13ose> HackerII: where?
[23:22] <Cykrix> the lsmod shows nouveau if that helps;
[23:22] <R13ose> OerHeks: I don't see this there.
[23:23] <OerHeks> R13ose, me neither
[23:23] <lordcirth> Nor do I, on 15.10
[23:23] <OerHeks> oh, i am on 15.10 too ..
[23:23] <R13ose> I am on 16.04
[23:24] <rp2> hello, word
[23:24] <rp2> I'm thinking of trying to create my first even Ubuntu package in an effort to save my favourite piece of abandonware
[23:25] <rp2> so now I'm looking for all packages with similar build dependencies
[23:25] <rp2> how do I do that?
[23:25] <R13ose> I will not click my mouse during the audio calls until this is figured out.
[23:26] <OerHeks> rp2, so what are the build dependencies of your aboandonware?
[23:26] <HackerII> R13ose:  couldnt tell you on 16.04, many things have changes, could also be a  bug, who knows.
[23:27] <sudo_rm-rf> Hi everybody, someone can help me with Remastersys?
[23:27] <HackerII> R13ose:  i use mate, and its the same config, it should be in frefs/sound, if not, maybe there is something out of the ordinary.'
[23:28]  * HackerII anyway, on the px brb
[23:29] <R13ose> mate?
[23:29] <rp2> OerHeks, well, it's a C++ application, and I just created the list of packages the dynamic libraries it depends on are in ... that's a good list to start with
[23:29] <winston2k> Mate desktop
[23:29] <rp2> so once I have a binary package, it will certainly depend on those packages
[23:29] <R13ose> oh
[23:30] <winston2k> im using it
[23:30] <rp2> so now I'd like to find example packages that depend on these (and as few as possible) so I can apt-get source them and use them as 'inspiration' for building my own
[23:30] <rp2> mmm
[23:31] <nacc> rp2: note that build and runtime dependencies are (possibly) different
[23:31] <OerHeks> rp2 not sure how to search through 30K+ packages with apt-cache rdepends ..
[23:31] <lordcirth> HackerII, mate desktop is a fork of gnome 2, isn't it?  Unity + Gnome 3 is pretty different
[23:31] <nacc> rp2: reverse-depends <pkgname> or apt-cache rdepends <pkgname>
[23:31] <OerHeks> what is the use of knowing the dependencies of other packages?
[23:31] <nacc> rp2: but that's not normally how one would go about this
[23:32] <user2635> how do I undo a make install or a make
[23:32] <rp2> why not? there is no Debian package
[23:32] <rp2> user2635, that is not usually supported
[23:32] <OerHeks> !build | user2635
[23:33] <nacc> rp2: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html or https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian
[23:33] <rp2> what you can do is redo it, then list all the files that have just changed with find
[23:33] <ines_> salut
[23:33] <lordcirth> user2635, you can't generally undo 'make install' but 'make clean' can undo the 'make'
[23:33] <user2635> lordcirth, great...
[23:33] <rp2> yes, I'm reading the first already
[23:33] <nacc> rp2: the first seems highly bzr specific, which isn't necessary
[23:33] <user2635> lordcirth, then i've just messed up my syste
[23:33] <user2635> lordcirth, system
[23:34] <HackerII> lordcirth:  mate is for those of us that are used to what linux waa back in the day.
[23:34] <sudo_rm-rf> sorry guys for the disturb but i need help with remastersys if somebody know that
[23:34] <lordcirth> HackerII, I'm a fan of dwm myself.  Though not running it at the moment
[23:34] <user2635> lordcirth, whats the best way to clean things up? is it too late?
[23:35] <HackerII> as far as 16.04, maybe its a test, who knows, i have 16.04 loaded, with mate, works like a clock.
[23:35] <lordcirth> user2635, not sure, other people here can probably help tho