[07:23] <Guest62243> help
[08:34] <Patero-ng> ¿does anybody here knows about html?
[13:29] <muteboy> hello,
[13:30] <muteboy> I'm having a problem with sox. I'm trying to use a fade command. I want to fade out from beginning to end of the file.
[13:30] <cfhowlett> muteboy, doh!  I should have advised you: #opensourcemusicians
[13:31] <muteboy> ha! OK, I'll try over there
[16:23] <likecolacola> Hey, last week i used Audacity for recording without any problem... and this week i try it again and it records things with a metallic sound and with some noise ground
[16:23] <likecolacola> so i tried installing Ardour and it's the same
[17:14] <holstein> likecolacola: sounds like something i might start checking my hardware about
[17:14] <holstein> likecolacola: could be as simple as, something in the background setting your settings too hot
[17:15] <holstein> what i would do is, make sure what im sending is similar in volume, and level settings as it was the time i did it without any problems
[17:15] <holstein> then, i would look at pavucontrol, and, alsamixer, and tweak the settings there..
[21:48] <andrew>  and install libdvdcss.so.2?
[21:49] <andrew> oops!  Where can I find libdvdcss.so.2 for brasero?
[21:50] <andrew> I've been trying synaptic and no success
[21:52] <andrew> hello?


[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[17:29] <Laney> highvoltage: want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/946591 again?
[17:32] <highvoltage> Laney: checking...
[17:33] <Laney> I'm guessing you have some context hidden in your brain somewhere :P
[17:33] <highvoltage> ah yes, I sponsored that package before
[17:33] <Laney> yup
[17:34] <highvoltage> ah I see it needs another upload, I didn't get the comments by mail, should I go ahead and sponsor the latest version?
[17:34] <highvoltage> (before doing a quick review of changes, of course)
[17:34] <Laney> highvoltage: I'm guessing it got rejected, so yes
[17:34] <Laney> zequence: ^^^ correct?
[19:21] <zequence> Laney: highvoltage, yeah, it got rejected for some Lintian warnings that i've sorted out
[19:22] <zequence> with the help of xnox
[20:19] <highvoltage> zequence: ok


[08:07] <robfrawley> so, what's the consensus on bzr?
[08:08] <robfrawley> is more often used or not used
[08:08] <robfrawley> *is it
[08:36] <wgrant> robfrawley: I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
[08:37] <wgrant> It is trivially true that there are more situations in which bzr hasn't been used than those in which it has.
[08:37] <wgrant> But that's not a particularly meaningful question :)


[01:50] <coz_> hey guys...doesn anyone know if some of the lucid bugs are fixed in marverick yet?/ like wallapper options for dual monitors.... capablities for installing official nvidia drivers... nad right click unmount on mulitple paritions on external drives?
[01:51] <bjsnider> there's no lucid bug installing the nvidia driver
[01:52] <coz_> bjsnider,  mm I cant seem to install official nvidia drivers on lucid
[01:52] <coz_> bjsnider,  at least not withouth blacklisting neuveau
[01:52] <bjsnider> the nvidia installer won't work, but it has been disabled by canonical on purpose, so it doesn't wreck things. the nvidia driver is installable
[01:53] <coz_> bjsnider,  mm I will have to look into this then
[01:53] <bjsnider> install the recommended driver through jockey
[01:53] <coz_> bjsnider,  no
[01:53] <bjsnider> in the name of all that is right in the world
[01:53] <coz_> bjsnider,  the recommended driver  has a memory leak
[01:53] <coz_> bjsnider,  nvidia-common is not a good version of the nvidia driver
[01:54] <bjsnider> nvidia-current
[01:54] <bjsnider> and it is the same driver
[01:54] <coz_> bjsnider,  right it is not a good driver
[01:54] <bjsnider> the libs and kernel module are pre-built
[01:54] <coz_> bjsnider,  I much prefer the official driver installation procedure to test different drivers
[01:54] <bjsnider> if it is not a good driver why do you want to install it?
[01:55] <coz_> bjsnider,  the need to install different version on different systems with different cards is essential for best performance
[01:55] <bjsnider> did you miss the nvidia sticky post about using the distribution packages? that is the official method
[01:55] <coz_> bjsnider,  limiting the choices to 2 orr 3  is not sensible
[01:55] <coz_> bjsnider,  I have been using ubuntu since day one
[01:55] <coz_> bjsnider,  I am not interested in the ubuntu version offered
[01:56] <coz_> at least for nvidia drivers
[01:56] <bjsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=d39db399e4674fd731f185191ed48396&t=72490
[01:57] <bjsnider> the very first sentence says use the distribution's packages
[01:57] <coz_> bjsnider,  yeah I have never had issues with updates
[01:58] <yofel> any reason why we can't ship a few more versions?
[01:58] <yofel> It's not like we're actually fixing bugs in the drivers
[01:59] <coz_> without the ability to install official nvidia drivers ..ubuntu becomes useless in my circimstance because I need to test drivers for clients machines
[02:00] <coz_> and I never use the ones offered by ubuntu
[02:00] <coz_> rather I never install via jockey
[02:02] <coz_> this works but creates problems down the road   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[02:24] <Dink> Does the Unity doc on the left have a config file one can edit to add custom application/launcher ?
[02:29] <Dink> I have several wine application I would like to put there
[04:19] <bjsnider> yofel_, it is not too hard to package additional version of the blob, just go ahead and set up a ppa and toos them in there. but lucid already includes the 195 and the x-updates ppa has the 256, so i don't know what the point would be
[07:49] <Fudge> whens alpha2 scheduled?
[07:50] <SwedeMike> 10 days ago.
[07:51] <Fudge> alpha3 im sorry lol im using alpha2 :$
[07:51] <SwedeMike> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[07:52] <Fudge> ty
[07:53] <Fudge> ok 14 August cheers for that
[08:10] <Fudge> any idea how to recompile vmware modules on maverick?
[08:12] <Vigo> Fudge: Sorry , I do not do much VM stuff.
[08:23] <Fudge> Vigo  thanks anyway
[10:20] <om26er> is there any shorkey for preferences in thunderbrid (not using it)
[12:56] <joejoe> hi, i am not able to upgrade properly to the maverick, the update fails with following message http://pastebin.com/m8SgTagg
[16:48] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 12 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:49] <djbeenie_> anyone know of a linux live cd that will grab all the hd information, how many core procs, HD's and size, memory and so on and on?
[16:49] <Pici> djbeenie_: That question is more on-topic for ##linux
[17:00] <LucidFox> Okay
[17:00] <LucidFox> something is definitely wrong with my GTK
[17:00] <LucidFox> after upgrade
[17:00] <LucidFox> half the widgets are white
[17:01] <LucidFox> Buttons are always white no matter which theme I try
[17:02] <LucidFox> Any ideas, or am I better off doing a clean reinstall?
[17:12] <LucidFox> Hmmm
[17:12] <LucidFox> For once, I'm tempted to try the 64-bit version
[17:13] <LucidFox> after spending almost five years on 32-bit
[17:13] <LucidFox> since I'll be doing a clean reinstall anyway
[17:17] <LucidFox> I wonder also
[17:17] <LucidFox> can 64-bit Wine run both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows applications?
[17:18] <LucidFox> or at least just 32-bit?
[17:20] <skydrome> just wanted to see what ff4 looked like and got this
[17:20] <skydrome> /usr/bin/firefox-4.0: 175: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi")
[17:26] <yofel> oh 4.0 is there?
[17:28] <yofel> ah, updating package manager is fun... 'sudo aptitude install aptitude' XD
[17:29]  * yofel goes installing ffx4
[17:31] <billybigrigger> yofel, installing from mozilla daily?
[17:31] <yofel> yep
[17:34] <skydrome> 4.0b2 is the version, havent tried 4.0b1 dont really care that much
[17:40] <yofel> skydrome: about that error, open /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 in an editor, and add a new line containing 'fi' at the bottom
[17:41] <yofel> and:
 i can not start the /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 because someone miss a "fi"
 Hanmac: yes, the builds are being respun to fix that
[17:41] <skydrome> excellent :)
[17:42] <skydrome> but still not launching
[17:45] <yofel> it does here
[17:47] <skydrome> it did the profile transfer but never launched
[17:49] <yofel> meh, http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/ffx4_addons0.png :(
[18:27] <h00k> So, the daily maverick installer on my netbook is hosed :(
[18:27] <h00k> well, the installer worked okay, but it is reporting everything as crashing once at the desktop
[18:36] <Dink> When I try to run a wine app after it has been placed in the unity "doc" I get the following in my logs "kernel: [65468.497241] Skipping EDID probe due to cached edid" and it never starts
[18:36] <yofel> h00k: even that apport crashed? if yes then that's known
[18:36] <charlie-tca> h00k: Seems to be an issue today. I have so many apport crashes, it is unusable
[18:36] <yofel> fix underway
[18:37] <yofel> bug 603919
[18:38] <h00k> Yeah, it's...phew. I am wondering if I should hang on and grab updates if I can, or just daily install when that's fixed
[18:39] <Dink> I had the same issue it was barely useable. I grabbed the d-i and used it to install netbook.
[18:39] <yofel> h00k: can you install 'gir1.0-glib-2.0' and see if that helps?
[18:40] <Dink> yofel, after that installation things have been better. I noticed it in todays update.
[18:40] <yofel> ah, so it's already out, good :)
[18:40] <h00k> yofel: I'll check that now.
[18:41] <Dink> I do notice though at times things hang a bit when I go between the application menu and main screen
[18:41] <yofel> h00k: or simply update python-gobject, that will pull it in
[18:43] <uga> yofel: remember the qt webkit thingie?
[18:44] <yofel> yes
[18:44] <uga> strange thing is that I have another box with karmik+ppa. Same numbered packages were updated...
[18:44] <uga> ... and it all went smooth. It seems ppa packages were linked against webkit beta1
[18:44] <h00k> yofel: doing python-gobject now
[18:44] <h00k> Also, on this reinstall, btrfs seems to be working smoothly.  it didn't take 12 hours to install.
[18:44] <Dink> Another thing I have a javaws app that does not show up on the doc when it is ran. Is that normal?
[18:45] <yofel> h00k: does btrfs work with grub2 now?
[18:45] <h00k> yofel: I don't know, I just made a 200mb /boot with ext2
[18:45] <h00k> i could try it!
[18:46]  * h00k boots from USB
[18:46] <uga> oh ,is it stable already? (btrfs support)
[18:46] <uga> I mean at least upstream, I don't mean in the distro
[18:47]  * h00k shrugs
[18:47] <uga> lolz
[18:48] <yofel> IIRC it was supposed to be not experimental anymore in 2.6.35, not sure if that's actually the case
[18:48] <uga> h00k: I don't want to go the reiser4 way. I've had reiser4 partitions for a while, and see now...
[18:48] <h00k> uga: they've come back to kill you?
[18:48] <h00k> s/kill/haunt/
[18:48] <yofel> then again, ext4 wasn't experimental in jaunty too...
[18:48]  * yofel shudders...
[18:49] <uga> h00k: almost. Now that the guy went to prison, nobody wanted to develop anymore, and the fact that it was never fully accepted by the kernel people...
[18:49] <uga> so I wanted to know if they already accepted btrfs as something working and "complete" ;)
[18:49] <h00k> As far as I know, it was supposed to be that way, as yofel said
[18:50] <uga> thanks, then it's good enough for me
[18:50] <uga> yofel: I've been using ext4 for quite a while here
[18:50] <uga> and I migrated everything to it as soon as I figured out how to make grub work on it
[18:51] <uga> it's called "backups" :P
[18:52] <h00k> okay, going through the installer
[18:54] <h00k> "Your root file system is a btrfs file system.  This is not supported by the boot loader used by default by this installer.  You should use a small /boot partition with another file system, such as ext3."
[18:54] <h00k> yofel: ^
[18:54] <yofel> ok, thanks
[18:55] <mirak> I created an init script for a daemon that is not supposed to run as root. this dameon creates a pidfile in /var/run/foo.pid . Since /var/run should be only writtable by root, can I touch the file and chown it in the init script before start ?
[19:14] <uga> mirak: wouldnt' it have been easier by just touch, su to another user and ask? =)
[19:14] <uga> btw, yes, it should work (tm)
[19:15] <uga> but you won't be able to delete the file
[19:15] <uga> s/and/thank
[19:15] <uga> urgh
[19:15] <uga> s/and/than
[19:16]  * uga notes his english is getting worse, worse, worse, worse...
[19:21] <cixa> anyone have any tips on what thinkpad i should get? i have looked at the x301 and the t410. i run maverick now on an r51
[19:22] <jpds> x301s.
[19:22] <mirak> uga, what ?
[19:23] <uga> mirak: you asked if you could create a file under /var/run and later be writeable by a script running by another user, right?
[19:23] <uga> I said the answer is yes, but it'd have been quicker if you just tested ;)
[19:23] <uga> (or so I intended to write, in a very poor english)
[19:24] <uga> just that, the script won't be able to delete it, if not run as root
[19:24] <mirak> uga, seems the right way is to create a folder writable by the user
[19:25] <mirak> touch && chown works too
[19:25] <mirak> I did that
[19:25] <uga> the other option is setuid, but I never liked that
[19:26] <yofel> cixa: that's more something for #ubuntu-offtopic, I'm using an t510 right now (my r61 broke :/ )
[19:26] <uga> mirak: not sure but I think it'd have been much harder using policykit
[19:26] <uga> ?
[19:29] <Daijoubu> guys i get an error when i try to update
[19:30] <Daijoubu> http://pastebin.com/JsUhvPyS
[19:32] <Daijoubu> can someone help please :)
[19:33] <uga> Daijoubu: sounds like somebody forgot updating python-minimal in that mirror
[19:33] <uga> there's no much you can do, I think, until somebody updates that
[19:33] <Daijoubu> ok i will switch to the main server
[19:33] <uga> as far as the package version is there, ys
[19:33] <uga> es
[19:35] <Daijoubu> weird... software sources doesn't want to start now
[19:41] <mirak> uga, ? it runs as root, so i guess it can work ...
[19:41] <mirak> uga, I mean init.d is launched by root
[19:52] <Daijoubu> uga thanks that worked :)
[20:17] <bp0> when is launchpad going to be fixed
[20:25] <Pici> bp0: If its broken, then #lauchpad would be a good place to talk about it.
[20:27] <bp0> you'd think that
[21:07] <ripps> hmmm... new cairo is out. Let's hope it fixes some crap instead of making it worse.
[21:15]  * penguin42 gently wonders about bringing my main desktop upto maverick
[21:19] <duffy> Srsly
[21:19]  * charlie-tca will upgrade next week to maverick on his main system
[21:22]  * penguin42 has put a squid on it so that all my updates on my VM are getting cached through it, and hopefully my other machine will
[21:23] <duffy> why next week, whats happening next week..its still gonna be alpha .
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Next week is after Ubuntu Developer Week
[21:23] <duffy> well I wouldnt, personally..
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I can break it then
[21:24] <yofel> next week is that magical somewhere in the middle of devel time point where things start to get worse :P
[21:24] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:24] <charlie-tca> but it is my time
[21:25] <penguin42> having said that I'm off this week, which means I can either break it and see it, or it means I do have a chance to fix it
[21:25] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:26] <Vigo> Can I safely remove kernel 2.6.35-6.9 or should I keep it in for testing and bug squishing?
[21:27] <penguin42> Vigo: If you run the janitor it should clean out all but the last one or two
[21:28] <Vigo> penguin42: Thank you.
[21:28] <guntbert> Vigo: always keep at least a 2nd working kernel
[21:29] <Vigo> guntbert: Yes, and always make a backup BEFORE doing such stuff,,,,
[21:29] <penguin42> anyone running lubuntu in maverick? I've just had it do something *very* odd
[21:30] <Vigo> I am trying all sorts of packages and such in this testing,,,,
[21:32] <Vigo> penguin42: I have not run Lubuntu yet on this box, what occurred?
[21:32] <guntbert> Vigo: choosing another kernel is not really an issue to threaten your system - but for trying a lot I'd recommend a virtualization environment (virtual box,...)
[21:32] <penguin42> Vigo: Well it's logged in, but when I started a terminal the terminal appeared in the middle of the screen and slowly moved down until it went off the bottom, and the panel is now constantly flickering - very odd
[21:33] <Vigo> guntbert: I agree, I am using 3 HDDs all some flavor of *nix on each.
[21:34] <Vigo> penguin42: That is odd, any reports of that issue on the LXDE site?
[21:34] <penguin42> not checked yet
[21:36] <Vigo> penguin42: On one of the Linux Forums there is a report of that, is a Xorg thing, still looking though...
[21:36] <penguin42> Vigo: URL?  It does seem repeatable
[21:38] <Vigo> penguin42: Is an OpenBox WM also,,
[21:39] <Vigo> but here> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/resizing-virtualbox-with-lxde-inside-doesnt-restretch-wallpaper-741903/
[21:40] <penguin42> Vigo: What makes you say that sounds anything like what I just described?
[21:40] <penguin42> that seems to be corruption or wallpaper related
[21:43] <Vigo> penguin42: I am running Debian 5 on one drive, LXDE, Crunchbag and other WMs on it,  I have not yet had that error or issue ,,still looking
[21:45] <Vigo> penguin42: This may shed some light on it: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXTerminal
[21:46] <penguin42> no, it's a bug, not a feature of LXTerminal
[21:46] <yofel> penguin42: doesn't happen on my eeePC
[21:47] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm curiours
[21:47] <Vigo> penguin42: Line 6 of LXDE site may explain it a bit: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=739
[21:48] <penguin42> no, it doesn't
[21:49] <Vigo> They did a sweet rewrite of the site,
[21:52] <Vigo> penguin42: Are you using Alltray with it?
[21:53] <penguin42> not that I know
[21:55] <Vigo> penguin42: Have you hacked the XPanel at all?
[21:56] <penguin42> no, please stop guessing!
[22:01] <Vigo> Time to make a fresh backup. have a great time.
[22:05] <penguin42> that's now bug 604797
[22:06] <penguin42> I classify that as one of the weirdest ones I've seen for a long time
[23:23] <billybigrigger> bash: /etc/bash_completion.d/apt.backup: line 32: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[23:24] <billybigrigger> anyone still affected by this bug with an up to date system?
[23:24] <billybigrigger> i thought this bug was resolved along time ago
[23:26] <penguin42> yeh, not seen it for ages
[23:28] <yofel> billybigrigger: apt.backup doesn't belong to any package
[23:31] <billybigrigger> i've got syntax errors on lines 32 and 33
[23:31] <billybigrigger> not sure which is the offending character though
[23:33] <yofel> my guess is that it's a file left by dpkg for some reason (bug?), as it shouldn't be there
[23:33] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1899381
[23:33] <yofel> dpkg does things like backing up files and creating new ones with .dpkg-new extensions etc. when upgrading packages
[23:34] <yofel> billybigrigger: I believe you, just delete the file
[23:34] <billybigrigger> apt.backup should be safe to rm then?
[23:34] <billybigrigger> alright
[23:34] <yofel> /etc/bash_completion.d/apt is the right one
[23:34] <billybigrigger> yofel, thanks
[23:35]  * penguin42 is now curious what created that .backup, it would be a really bad idea to do that automatically in a config directory like that
[23:35]  * penguin42 wonders if you ever edited with <insert favorite editor here>
[23:38] <tj83> maybe i am just ignorantly missing something here...... I have a SD card with some python scripts on it, under no circumstances have I been able to give execution permission on the files. why?
[23:38] <penguin42> tj83: I think automatically mounted disks mounted by users are probably mounted noexec (but that's a guess)
[23:39] <penguin42> as a 2nd guess they're probably vfat and I'm not sure they store flags like that
[23:39] <tj83> even sudo chmod +x file wont change it/
[23:39] <tj83> as root
[23:39] <tj83> oh, that makes sense, its fat for sure.
[23:42] <tj83> penguin42, here's a catch, I just pop'd the sd card into this laptop running lucid, the x flags are set. its just maverick
[23:42] <penguin42> curious
[23:42] <tj83> very
[23:42] <penguin42> I'd compare the /proc/mounts from the two
[23:50] <tj83> penguin42, i'm no linux expert, can you help with that? http://www.pastebin.ca/1899394
[23:51] <tj83> whats this tag? "showexec"
[23:51]  * penguin42 looks
[23:51] <yofel>        showexec
[23:51] <yofel>               If set, the execute permission bits of the file will be allowed only if the extension part of the name is .EXE, .COM, or .BAT. Not set by default.
[23:52] <yofel> so we have the culprit
[23:52] <tj83> yofel, awesome
[23:52] <yofel> tj83: that's from the mount manpage ;)
[23:52] <penguin42> what an odd option
[23:52] <tj83> now how do we kill that for default behavior. and why on earth would they include .exe!?! ><
[23:52] <penguin42> tj83: so on the old one it's just marking everything execute (because there is actually no way to express execute sensibly on fat)
[23:52] <yofel> well, vfat is for windows originally, so .exe makes sense
[23:53] <penguin42> yofel: Well I guess if you're going to do wine, but I'd agree the old option actually makes more sense given that it's not just windows stuff on usb sticks these days
[23:54] <yofel> depends, maybe they thought it makes sense from some security point of view, and you can always use a different file system
[23:54] <tj83> so, someone gonna make it easy for me how to kill this showexec bit or am I gonna have to look it up myself o.O
[23:54] <yofel> tj83: I'm thinking, can't remember where that's set though
[23:55] <tj83> the portability is the ONLY reason to keep vfat
[23:55] <penguin42> yofel: If the .exe's and .bat's are executable I don't see the security benefit
[23:55] <tj83> penguin42, i will side with you. but we roll with the punches.
[23:56] <yofel> penguin42: actually, nautilus asks you what to do with executable files iirc, you don't want that for documents usually..
[23:56] <penguin42> tj83: Well, it would be worth tracking down what caused it to change and see if there was a rational or whether it was accidental
[23:56] <penguin42> yofel: True
[23:56] <tj83> penguin42, this is a brand spank new install of maverick, its something the developers chose.
[23:57] <tj83> nothing has been modified by me the user, i just slapped this sd card in from the laptop i was using under lucid, there it worked fine. seems together we have found the cause, just not the solution yet.
[23:57] <penguin42> tj83: Well, be careful - someone might have chosen it, they might not have fully figured out why or if it was a good default
[23:58] <tj83> my personal machine.... nobody else has touched it, and this installation of the os is less than 24 hrs old.
[23:59] <yofel> tj83: it's a change of default settings, which - if my guess above is right - actually is a benifit for many users
[23:59] <tj83> I expect this behavior could be observed by anyone with maverick and a SD card.
[23:59] <penguin42> tj83: No, I mean don't always assume directors have fully thought about it - if they did there would be no bugs!
[23:59]  * yofel goes searching for a flash drive that actually has vfat on it...
[23:59] <tj83> penguin42, :) fair enough


[00:00] <Amaranth> compiz does not have such bugs, thank you very much
[00:00] <bruce89> on slow hardware?
[00:05] <DanaG> well, that was odd.
[00:05] <DanaG> Something suddenly started devouring my CPU.
[00:05] <bruce89> synchronised crashing
[00:05] <DanaG> Picture taking my 2.4GHz CPU, and then throwing away 950/1000 cycles.
[00:12] <Amaranth> DanaG: that's like 0.01 seconds
[00:12] <Amaranth> less, actually
[00:37] <DanaG> aah, I figured it out: some sort of file system corruption.
[00:37] <DanaG> forcing fsck fixed it.
[00:40] <ccooke> Evening
[00:41] <ccooke> Is jaunty currently utterly fubared?
[00:41] <crdlb> I wouldn't go that far ...
[00:41] <ccooke> okay, slight exageration :-)
[00:41] <ccooke> *noticably* fubared?
[00:42] <crdlb> are you pondering whether you should upgrade?
[00:42] <ccooke> (I came back home today to find that my laptop (updated last night) has lost the ability to do window decoration, network-manager has forgotten what DNS is and the updates aren't working
[00:43] <ccooke> nah, it's nothing I can't fix
[00:43] <crdlb> for the former, install compiz
[00:43] <ccooke> I'm just wondering if it's just me having bad luck with packages or something more general
[00:43] <crdlb> you uninstalled part of it with a dist-upgrade
[00:43] <ccooke> *nod*
[00:44] <ccooke> I'm getting a load of packages unable to create files ATM, too
[00:44] <DanaG> heh, why is it that people seem never to CHECK what it is update-manager wants to remove?
[00:45] <DanaG> I never let update-manager do partial-upgrades.
[00:45] <ccooke> DanaG: because this is a dev release and sometimes things *change*
[00:45] <crdlb> update-manager didn't offer to remove compiz here
[00:45] <DanaG> Instead, I look in aptitude to see why it wants to do what it wants to do, and then just wait.
[00:45] <crdlb> only dist-upgrade did
[00:46]  * bruce89 only uses aptitude to upgrade
[00:46] <ccooke> ... No space left on device?! What the fsck?
[00:46] <crdlb> ah, ext4 ...
[00:46] <ccooke> oh dear
[00:46] <ccooke> ext4
[00:46] <ccooke> ?
[00:47] <DanaG> yeah, sudo touch /forcefsck
[00:47] <DanaG> and then reboot
[00:47] <crdlb> if you're not actually out of space, that's probably an ext4 bug
[00:47] <DanaG> and let it do a full fsck.
[00:47] <ccooke> ahhhh
[00:47] <ccooke> Right.
[00:47] <ccooke> nccooke@haematite:~$ sudo touch /forcefsck
[00:47] <ccooke> touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': No space left on device
[00:47] <DanaG> bah.
[00:48] <ccooke> oh dear :-)
[00:48] <ccooke> yes, there's plenty of space left
[00:48] <DanaG> eh, try booting single.
[00:48] <DanaG> recovery mode.
[00:48] <ccooke> however, I can force a fsck easily myself
[00:48] <DanaG> yeah.
[00:48] <ccooke> there's a quicker way. "init 1", for a start :-)
[00:48] <crdlb> reboot 30 times? :P
[00:50] <JanC> you can use tune2fs I suppose
[00:50] <DanaG> oh yeah, how do you change the default journal mode with tune2fs?
[00:51] <DanaG> I like using data=journal mode, but it means I have to pass rootflags= on the kernel command line, or root won't mount.
[00:51] <DanaG> data=journal does give better data integrity in case of lockups, correct?
[00:54] <DanaG> Is there any way to do the equivalent of Sun's ZFS file system's snapshot feature?
[00:54] <DanaG> Copy-on-write, where you can make backups of only the diffs?
[00:56] <ccooke> That's better.
[00:56] <ccooke> I can write to my own disk again :-)
[00:57] <ccooke> and no reboot necessary
[00:58] <DanaG> random: http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10130701-100.html
[01:00] <DanaG> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796
[01:00] <DanaG> HP accelerometer == can play Neverball with it.
[01:04] <shadowhywind> Hay all, running kubuntu and plasma is crashing on login, anyone have any ideas?
[01:36] <bz0b> hey i just installed jaunty x86_64 on my laptop and when in livecd i got full resolution but now i only get up to 1024x768
[01:39] <crdlb> what GPU/
[01:39] <bz0b> intel 4500
[01:40] <crdlb> hrm
[01:40] <crdlb> does compiz work?
[01:40] <bz0b> it works fine in 8.10, but i dont know let me see
[01:40] <crdlb> that's my new 3d acceleration test :/
[01:40] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:41] <bz0b> yes compiz works beautifully
[01:41] <bz0b> hehe
[01:41] <bz0b> so its just the res
[01:41] <Amaranth> no it hates your monitor
[01:41] <Amaranth> err, so
[01:42] <bz0b> hmm ya, i just want 1280x800 gosh
[01:42] <serios> hello
[01:43] <bz0b> let me double check my xorg.conf
[01:43] <bz0b> lol that might be it
[01:43] <bz0b> how do i do that xorg-configure thing again
[01:44] <bz0b> brb
[01:44] <serios> anyone awake?
[01:45] <bruce89> yup
[01:45] <serios> i hate asking this in here
[01:45] <serios> but it seems people in ubuntu are sleeping
[01:45] <serios> :/
[01:45] <serios> I need linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-13-server
[01:45] <serios> the .deb
[01:45] <serios> i managed to uninstall it and now i have no wifi
[01:46] <Amaranth> serios: so get it from archive.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <serios> ive tried but i dont know where to look
[01:46] <serios> on archive
[01:47] <SeveredCross> Search for it?
[01:47] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-13-server_2.6.27-13.18_i386.deb
[01:47] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-13-server_2.6.27-13.18_amd64.deb
[01:47] <serios> oh golly
[01:47] <serios> thanks
[01:47] <crdlb> backports
[01:47] <Amaranth> crdlb: ?
[01:48] <crdlb> he wants -backports-, that's -restricted-
[01:49] <serios> well I dont know
[01:49] <bruce89> there is no backports 2.6.27-blah
[01:49] <serios> i need the modules for 2.6.27-13
[01:49] <serios> :/
[01:49] <serios> I think that is it
[01:50] <Amaranth> crdlb: oh, he said wifi so that's l-r-m
[01:50] <crdlb> could be ath5k
[01:50] <Amaranth> I don't think linux-backports-modules ever has anything in it, does it?
[01:50] <serios> no its an intel wifi
[01:50] <serios> afaik
[01:50] <Amaranth> serios: oh, that's just the firmware you need then
[01:50] <Amaranth> serios: that's in l-r-m, my links are what you want
[01:50] <crdlb> intel wifi has loadable firmware? :/
[01:50] <serios> kk
[01:51] <Amaranth> yes
[01:51] <crdlb> I thought that was only broadom
[01:51] <Amaranth> no
[01:51] <Amaranth> I thought they all did at this point
[01:51] <Amaranth> But I only have broadcom and intel
[01:51] <Amaranth> intel has since the 3945
[01:51] <crdlb> every laptop in my house has atheros
[01:52] <Amaranth> or the 2200 even, i dunno
[01:52] <crdlb> by pure coincidence
[01:52] <Amaranth> I know one of their older ones which has a linux driver doesn't need firmware and is completely open source
[01:53] <bz0b> hey for some reason i logged out and logged in and it works
[01:53] <Amaranth> bz0b: logout restarts X
[01:53] <Amaranth> bz0b: first boot either your monitor was off or there was some timing issue reading the info from the monitor
[01:53] <crdlb> that's called the windows fix lite
[01:53] <bz0b> i got full res, i think the dpkg-reconfigure fixed it
[01:53] <bz0b> lol
[01:54] <bz0b> but now my tty's all look like their having a seizure why is that
[01:54] <Amaranth> bz0b: restart computer
[01:55] <bz0b> ok
[01:55] <bz0b> brb
[01:55] <SeveredCross> I think 2200 doesn't need loadable firmware.
[01:55] <SeveredCross> 3945+ does.
[01:58] <serios> anyway on a less serious note, just for giggles I installed Ubuntu on a Quadcore x 4 IBM server (16 cores) at work with 16GB Ram and it was amazing
[01:58] <serios> lol
[01:59] <serios>  /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <serios> err
[02:07] <bz0b> hey Amaranth i rebooted then it went back to the smaller resolution, then i went into tty1 and did a /etc/init.d/gdm restart and it fixed it again, except for again all the tty's look like they are having a siezure again
[02:07] <Amaranth> bz0b: yep, sounds like a timing problem
[02:08] <bz0b> Amaranth, how is that fixed?
[02:09] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[02:09] <bz0b> lol
[02:16] <Amaranth> anyone getting terrible problems with IO scheduling?
[02:17] <Amaranth> copying a file from CD to HD makes everything slow and my music is just static (underruns)
[02:22] <durt> why did latest upgrade rename /etc/modprobe.d/options to options.dpkg-bak? borked my tv tuner.
[02:38] <Amaranth> durt: because you changed /etc/modprobe.d/options and told it to use the package's version on upgrade
[02:39] <Amaranth> durt: I would just be glad it made a backup, most of the time when you change a file a package owns it just wipes your copy out
[02:39] <SeveredCross> Amaranth: I have been seeing a LOT of buffer underruns.
[02:39] <Amaranth> SeveredCross: You're not talking about the same thing
[02:39] <SeveredCross> amaranth: I'm not sure if they're I/O related.
[02:39] <Amaranth> SeveredCross: I'm talking about my system feeling like the load is at 500 when copying a file
[02:39] <SeveredCross> Oh, hum. Not that bad, no.
[02:39] <Amaranth> hell the load probably is at 500
[02:40] <Amaranth> it feels like I've got no DMA...
[02:40] <Amaranth> but SATA always has DMA
[02:40] <Amaranth> you can't even check for DMA, it's always there
[02:41] <DanaG> I put my custom options in a custom.conf file instead.
[02:54] <JanC> Amaranth: do you have tracker running?
[02:55] <Amaranth> JanC: of course not
[02:55] <Amaranth> tracker and beagle are slow
[02:56] <JanC> I had some serious issues while tracker was running (normally tracker isn't slowing down my system significantly)
[02:57] <JanC> but as it's doing disk I/O almost all the time, and if there would be an IO scheduling issue somehow...
[03:02] <maco> so does upstart do anything in jaunty? or is just kinda there?
[03:02] <dtchen> of course it "does something"
[03:02] <maco> i'm trying to figure out if i should play with upstart or manually screw with symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/
[03:02] <maco> dtchen: well it doesnt control booting yet does it?
[03:03] <JanC> maco: it does
[03:03] <crdlb> err, it has for quite a while now
[03:03] <dtchen> try removing upstart and see how far you get into a boot.
[03:03] <JanC> and has been doing for a long time
[03:03] <JanC> maco: see /etc/event.d/*
[03:07] <maco> oh
[03:07] <maco> ok
[03:07] <maco> i thought since it was supposed to change again it still wasnt recommended to migate your init scripts there
[03:08] <dtchen> your thought is correct, but not for the reason that "it doesn't control booting yet"
[03:08] <JanC> the version of upstart that's currently used is quite old
[03:09] <JanC> and the "language" used to describe services has changed in recent versions
[03:09] <maco> dtchen: i figured if init scripts arent supposed to migrate to it yet, then it cant be controlling boot because there's nothing in it yet
[03:10] <dtchen> you really want to look at what casey is doing in fedora
[03:11] <maco> can i create an upstart script for something that lacks an init script, like vpnc?
[03:11] <maco> upstart lets you tell one service to stop if anoher starts right?
[03:11] <maco> so i could tell it stop miredo when vpnc starts?
[03:12] <JanC> that should be possible if both are defined by upstart scripts
[03:12] <maco> well id have to define upstart scripts for them
[03:12] <maco> or at least for vpnc
[03:13] <maco> but its not too hard, right?
[03:13] <JanC> although the version of upstart in jaunty if quite old, so current documentation on the upstart site might not apply
[03:14] <JanC> s/if/is/
[03:15] <dtchen> why would you want to stop miredo when vpnc starts
[03:15] <maco> dtchen: because they dont work together
[03:15] <maco> my school doesnt allow ipv6 so when i start vpnc if miredo's running it gets stupid
[03:15] <dtchen> yes they do
[03:16] <dtchen> that's patently false
[03:16] <dtchen> i was using it not two days ago
[03:16] <dtchen> not to mention your school does not DPI v4 UDP to block teredo
[03:17] <maco> ....didnt work when i tried to use them together
[03:17] <dtchen> you can't use miredo even if you're not using vpnc
[03:18] <maco> why not?
[03:18] <dtchen> don't you recall?
[03:18] <maco> it works fine for web browing
[03:18] <dtchen> you experience the strangest route issues that i can't reproduce
[03:18] <maco> but it half the time doesnt work on freenode
[03:18] <dtchen> that's hardly vpnc or miredo to blame, however
[03:18] <maco> can always telnet freenode, can always ping freenode, just get connection refused on some connect attempts for irc
[03:19] <maco> which i dont understand
[03:19] <maco> yeah, thats just my curse
[03:19] <Amaranth> wait, you have telnet access to freenode?
[03:19] <dtchen> anyone can telnet foo.freenode 6667
[03:19] <dtchen> or 8001 or whatever
[03:19] <Amaranth> that's IRC though
[03:19] <mase_work> i think he means to the irc port
[03:19] <maco> Amaranth: its anonymous
[03:19] <Amaranth> not remove shell
[03:19] <maco> no
[03:19] <Amaranth> err, remote
[03:19] <maco> i can telnet to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net on 6667
[03:20] <Amaranth> maco: then your irc program is broken, nothing else
[03:20] <maco> but if i try to connect in irssi, it's only worked twice
[03:20] <mase_work> Amaranth: he's not trying to remote in, he's just testing it works
[03:20] <dtchen> she never ran a tshark or tcpdump for me, so it's not like i could look at the debug spew
[03:20] <mase_work> maco: Amaranth is correct though
[03:20] <maco> dtchen: i wiresharked it
[03:20] <mase_work> maco: if you can telnet
[03:20] <maco> dtchen: there were no udp packets
[03:20] <mase_work> then there is no reason irc shouldn't work
[03:20] <maco> dtchen and i are both using irssi and he can connect every time
[03:21] <maco> dtchen: want the cap file?
[03:21] <dtchen> lzma it somewhere
[03:22] <amaranthtelnet> look i can irc via telnet, any problems with my irc client connecting must be problems with the irc client
[03:22] <Amaranth> that is hard to do, btw
[03:22] <maco> how does one irc via telnet?
[03:23] <SeveredCross> Painfully.
[03:23] <JanC> hehe, HTTP & SMTP are easier indeed
[03:23] <Amaranth> when the server starts responding you type 'user foo foo foo :foo'
[03:23] <Amaranth> then enter
[03:23] <JanC> maco: it's just a text-based protocol
[03:23] <Amaranth> then 'nick foo' and enter
[03:23] <Amaranth> then 'join #ubuntu+1'
[03:23] <maco> JanC: ive never tried though
[03:23] <maco> ok ill try quassel then
[03:23] <Amaranth> then 'privmsg #ubuntu+1 :this is my message and the colon is important'
[03:24] <JanC> neither did I, but I've done this with HTTP & SMTP to test new installs
[03:24] <JanC> oh, and POP3 IIRC
[03:24] <JanC> and probably other protocols  ツ
[03:25] <Amaranth> i always forget pop3 and smtp
[03:25] <Amaranth> You can tell they were somewhat meant to be used like that though
[03:25] <JanC> I always have to look at the RFCs
[03:26] <JanC> but were meant to be easily tested/debuged
[03:26] <JanC> but they *
[03:26] <maco_> ok
[03:26] <maco_> looks like quassel can do ipv6 just fine
[03:27] <dtchen> i told you it was irssi.
[03:27] <mase_work> quassel is nice
[03:27] <maco_> your irssi works!
[03:28] <Amaranth> doesn't mean irssi isn't broken
[03:28] <dtchen> i'm also using hardy, and you aren't.
[03:28] <Amaranth> just means his ipv6 setup looks like the irssi developer's ipv6 setup
[03:28] <Amaranth> or that
[03:28] <maco_> :( but quassel doesnt let me /win 2 and such
[03:29] <maco_> and its got this weird extra window of text. how do i make it put all the text in one window?
[03:29] <dtchen> holy wrong channel, batgirl
[03:29] <maco_> why?
[03:29] <maco_> quassel is new in jaunty
[03:30] <maco_> and there isnt a #kubuntu+1
[03:30] <dtchen> so use #kubuntu as intended
[03:30] <dtchen> 9people there ask quassel questions)
[03:30] <maco_> if you try to go to #kubuntu+1 im pretty sure it redirects to *here*
[03:33] <Cycom> dtchen: hey, how's the bluetooth stuff goin?
[03:33] <Cycom> dtchen: get a chance to look at the mini 1030nr at best buy?
[03:33] <dtchen> no, today is my day off from ubuntu work.
[03:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, have you seen the mini-note 2140?
[03:35] <DanaG> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4796
[03:35] <DanaG> Too bad the LCD is 16:9 and not 16:10.
[03:36] <DanaG> http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/first-impressions-of-the-hp-mini-2140-netbook/
[03:37] <JanC> maco_: you could also try weechat (not sure it supports IPv6 though)
[03:39] <JanC> it says it does, so...
[03:40] <hansin> I realize now I screwed up (I didn't realize there was a forum with such anouncements).  At some recent past point I did a "aptitude full-upgrade" and hosed some things because of python transition.  Now I can not seem to fix because python is not configured and all the tools to configure seem broke in that they need python or something.  I know this was a bad move, but any suggestions to fix configuration of python?
[03:41] <maco_> hansin: use dpkg to downgrade everything you shouldn't have upgraded?
[03:41] <maco_> how did you not notice it saying "hi, i'm going to remove 30 packages, is that ok?" though?
[03:42] <Cycom> dtchen: do you know if the same regression would effect all snd-hda-intel cards?
[03:42] <DanaG> http://jkontherun.com/2009/02/04/first-impressions-of-the-hp-mini-1000-mi/#more-29037
[03:42] <hansin> well, that was a "live and learn" thing. lets just leave it at that... :(
[03:43] <dtchen> Cycom: the jack event regression that you experience does not affect all codecs equally
[03:43] <Cycom> dtchen: hear anything about the mini 9?
[03:43] <dtchen> Cycom: what was your SSID?  (`lspci -nv|grep -A1 0403')
[03:43] <Cycom> dtchen: todays your day off.
[03:43] <Cycom> today's*
[03:44] <dtchen> yeah, that's true
[03:44] <Cycom> dtchen: I was just going to upgrade the mini 9 if you had no data on it.
[03:44] <Cycom> thus, on an ubuntu-day, you will have more samples.
[03:44] <dtchen> well, that's a chicken-n'-egg.
[03:45] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6noiwmLNpM&eurl=http://jkontherun.com/category/reviews/page/2/
[03:45] <Cycom> dtchen: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 02) Subsystem: 103c:361a btw :)
[03:48] <dtchen> Cycom: it's already fixed
[03:49] <dtchen> (well, by "fixed", i mean that the specific multi-hp jack reporting has been disabled for 2.6.29)
[03:49] <Cycom> dtchen: what is?
[03:49] <dtchen> for your sigmatel.
[03:49] <Cycom> dtchen: so audio should be working right now?
[03:50] <dtchen> i'm checking jaunty
[03:50] <dtchen> linus merged it four days ago
[03:51] <JanC> hansin: there should be no need for python to install python (at least not when using the commandline)
[03:52] <dtchen> no, it has not been merged into jaunty yet
[03:52] <akio> hello everyone, I am ssh irc chatting through a phone
[03:52] <akio> i am ver excite
[03:52] <Cycom> dtchen: so the fix will come as a kernel update?
[03:53] <dtchen> akio: neat. i'm using miredo tethered through a G1.
[03:53] <akio> aww I want a G1
[03:53] <dtchen> Cycom: i'll ask for it to be merged once i verify it
[03:53] <dtchen> that's tomorrow night's work, however
[03:53] <akio> I'm using a meager Palm Centro
[03:54] <Cycom> dtchen: how do you like the G1?
[03:54] <Cycom> dtchen: also, let me know if you need a guinea pig.
[03:54] <dtchen> i like the phone, but i don't have high expectations
[03:55] <maco_> i like playing games on the touchscreen :P
[03:55] <hansin> maco_: Thanks.
[03:56] <akio> dtchen: Is it hackable? (do you have root)
[03:56] <maco_> there's wiki explaining how to get root
[03:56] <dtchen> akio: yes, it's extremely straightforward. and yes, which is why i can tether.
[03:56] <hansin> JanC: Thanks.  I'm trying different things.  The python package did not fully configure, but reinstalling via 'dpkg -i python_****' is erroring out.  I'll pastebin what it is doing...
[03:57] <dtchen> although there is a fancy apk gui for tethering now
[03:57] <maco_> hansin: erroring how? saying a newer version is already installed?
[03:57] <akio> I figure tethering is watched by the carrier
[03:57] <maco_> akio: he's got an unlimited plan
[03:57] <dtchen> akio: it is.
[03:58] <hansin> maco_: Or anyone, it is like this.    NEVER MIND, thanks I'll give it a go now!
[03:59] <maco_> hansin: ah, maybe you need to downgrade pycentral before the rest of pthon?
[04:00] <JanC> maco_: there is probably no need to downgrade
[04:00] <Cycom> I miss verizon's old qnc service.  it was slow as heck, but I could get enough net speed to do an ssh session from anywhere for free.
[04:00] <maco_> JanC: well seeing as half the system doesnt work with the new python packages...
[04:01] <maco_> JanC: if you try to install the new python packages, a good chunk of ubuntu-desktop gets removed. only way to get those back would be to downgrade the python upgrade
[04:01] <JanC> his upgrade doesn't work because of pitivi --> (temporarily) remove pitivi
[04:01] <JanC> at least, that's what it looks like
[04:02] <JanC> and I'm using the new packages without major breakage BTW
[04:02] <maco_> :-O
[04:02] <hansin> It works, thanks you all.  I removed pitivi.  Makes sense now.  I didn't realize it was its own package (or what it was).  I thought it was just part of Python.  Thanks again!
[04:02] <maco_> he finished the Sarah Jane Adventures *without me*?!
[04:04] <maco_> and he's still got my doctor who season 4 that he took from my shelf
[04:04] <maco_> (reading dtchen's part message)
[04:05] <JanC> hansin: I suppose pitivi will be fixed in "the near future" somewhere
[04:06] <bruce89bot> the magic of Python
[04:11] <hansin> I must have installed that during "hardy" when I installed the Ubuntu Studio meta-package.  Not why that being broken would create such a fuss...
[04:12] <JanC> hansin: python2.6 is now the default instead of python2.5
[04:12] <JanC> and because of that all python-based application get re-compiled for that version
[04:13] <JanC> and apparently there is something in the pitivi code that python2.6 doesn't like
[04:14] <JanC> hansin: please report a bug about that BTW
[04:15] <hansin> Okay, that seems to make sense.  So when I tried to get Python 2.6 installed, it would hang/bork on some Pitivi issue and never fully get installed.    Okay, I'll file a bug report; that's the least I can do.
[04:16] <JanC> and post the bug # here maybe (if you do it now)
[04:17] <hansin> Actually, first what I will do is let my system upgrade and then try to install Pitivi and see if it screws things up again.  It may have been that I upgrade during that time period that it was posted to not upgrade and I just needed to back myself into the corner I painted myself into.  I don't want to open a BR if it is already fixed.  I'll check right now and see if anything has already been filed.
[04:27] <hansin> Just reinstalled Pitivi.  I'll keep an eye on things.  Off for a reboot, but will be back later.  Thanks for the help.
[04:59] <hansin> So far no problem with reinstalled Pitivi.  I'll keep tabs on it, and if there are issues I'll submit a bug.  I suspect it had more to do when I upgraded than anything else, but I watch it.
[05:04] <FaMott> Bah... Exit to error: Can't init SDL No available video device... I installed SDL from source trying to play a game and now it doesn't think I have a video device.
[05:25] <_stochastic_> is anyone here familiar with the best practise for editing udev rules in Jaunty?  Particularly adding raw1394 support?
[05:32] <DaemonMDV> can anyone tell me what's going on with the different gstreamer plugins packages?
[05:32] <DaemonMDV> like gstreamer-plugins-ugly vs. gstreamer-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[05:38] <JanC> DaemonMDV: -multiverse = non-free
[05:39] <DaemonMDV> so the regular package is the ugly plugins where licensing isn't the issue?
[05:39] <JanC> -ugly is probably stuff that in some countries some people claim patents on or such
[05:40] <JanC> like MP3
[05:41] <DaemonMDV> they explain that ugly is either bad code, poorly maintained, or questionable licensing
[05:41] <JanC> seems like -ugly has only decoders & -ugly-multiverse has the LAME encoder
[05:41] <JanC> no, bad code is in -bad
[05:41] <DaemonMDV> so I assume that the ugly plugins in Universe are the ones where code and maintainence are the issue?
[05:41] <DaemonMDV> oh
[05:42] <JanC> you know, there is the good, the bad & the ugly  ;-)
[05:43] <DaemonMDV> yeah
[05:43] <DaemonMDV> as long as Ubuntu doesn't force Fluendo on me
[05:43] <DaemonMDV> I'm good
[05:43] <DaemonMDV> heh
[05:43] <theholyduck> gstreamer is pure concentrated evil
[05:43] <theholyduck> true story
[05:43] <crdlb> please do that somewhere else
[05:43] <JanC> -fluendo is in a separate package
[05:44] <theholyduck> ;D
[05:44] <DaemonMDV> I've found that Xine plays more formats, but gstreamer is less CPU intensive
[05:44] <theholyduck> DaemonMDV, i found mplayer plays all formats
[05:44] <theholyduck> well not the one in jaunty obviously
[05:44] <theholyduck> but whatever
[05:45] <DaemonMDV> Codeina is pure concentrated evil
[05:45] <DaemonMDV> for the price of the Fluendo Plugin Pack you could buy a copy of Vista
[05:45] <DaemonMDV> with money left over
[05:45] <JanC> yeah right
[05:45] <DaemonMDV> seriously
[05:46] <DaemonMDV> the Fluendo pack is $85 US
[05:46] <DaemonMDV> Vista Basic OEM is $80 on Newegg
[05:47] <JanC> and if you buy an OEM copy without a PC it's illegal...
[05:47] <DaemonMDV> no it's not
[05:47] <JanC> plus Vista Basic is barely usable anyway
[05:47] <DaemonMDV> the OEM license states that you qualify as an OEM if you install it
[05:47] <DaemonMDV> which technically also means you are your own tech support B-)
[05:48] <DaemonMDV> Microsoft doesn't really mind normal people buying OEM software, that's why US companies sell a crapload of it to US customers
[05:48] <DaemonMDV> and Microsoft has never sued
[05:49] <SwedeMike> oki, Intel X4500 with UXA makes compiz misbehave since I dist-upgraded last night. turning off UXA makes the problem go away.
[05:49] <DaemonMDV> it's Intel, it could be a while
[05:49] <SwedeMike> couldn't even log off, it said compiz wasn't responding with UXA enabled. Everything took 2-3 seconds to respond (even typing in a xterm)
[05:50] <DaemonMDV> I have an Intel board and it took them about 3-4 months before they had proper Linux drivers for it
[05:50] <DaemonMDV> the kernel will actually panic if I try to use anything below 2.6.25, heh
[05:50] <SwedeMike> will, this has worked for weeks (I enabled UXA a while back)
[05:51] <DaemonMDV> X.org moves in mysterious ways, like unto God?
[05:51] <DaemonMDV> what should I tell you? heh
[05:52] <DaemonMDV> just be glad it's not still XFree86 with the 16 month wait between versions
[05:52] <DaemonMDV> although it is getting considerably closer to the bad old days
[05:53] <DaemonMDV> many of the reasons Keith Packard was complaining about XFree86 are starting to be true about X.org
[05:56] <DaemonMDV> I'll be flamed for this, but thank god for Red Hat or X.org would be a total shambles
[05:56] <DaemonMDV> they're already late with every release, imagine i they lost 35% of their contributors
[05:58] <SwedeMike> hm, somehow sync to vblank was turned back on, that's probably why UXA misbehaved
[06:00] <SwedeMike> if I have a bug against the -8 kernel and it's still present in -9, should I note this in the bug description?
[06:10] <bz0b> hey anyone having the problem that your tty's are looking really weird? like unreadable and the print is moving around
[07:21] <Slartibartfast> So i am using Thunderbird to read in Usenet groups ... sometimes somebody posts a link, which seem not to open anymore in firefox ... is this a local problem or do more people also experience this?
[07:29] <Slartibartfast> already did a "mv .mozilla-thunderbird/ .mozilla-thunderbird-old" but the same result of doing nothing when i click on a link
[08:05] <schmidtm> does wireless-crda 1.7 fix bug #331092
[08:25] <BetaClone> Anyone seen any guides for Wacom? Not sure if I should choose option a or b from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[08:50] <egonw> hi all, plasma 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10 and 9.04 alpha keep crashing for me, and would very much appreciate some pointers on pin pointing the problem... I get debug output from the command line if I run from there, but do not see something clearly the problem... suggestions please
[09:16] <scizzo-> egonw: maybe you can start with checking for help in #kubuntu?
[09:16] <scizzo-> egonw: they might be able to help you with the 8.10 version at least
[09:16] <egonw> scizzo-: already done that, they pointed me here :)
[09:16] <scizzo-> egonw: really
[09:16] <egonw> scizzo-: yes :)
[09:16] <egonw> scizzo-: anyway... it seems to be problems with reading the stuff in the plasma config files
[09:17] <scizzo-> egonw: system wide or for the user?
[09:17] <egonw> scizzo-: I do not have any special plasmoids running, but removing the old configs makes plasma start again
[09:17] <egonw> user specific
[09:18] <scizzo-> egonw: so if you create a new user and login with that user then everything is working fine?
[09:19] <egonw> well, at least, moving the old config just helped
[09:19] <egonw> have not tried a new user
[09:19] <egonw> but guess that might help too
[09:19] <scizzo-> and it does not crash after changing it?
[09:20] <egonw> the config?
[09:20] <egonw> I removed it...
[09:20] <egonw> so got fresh files from plasma defaults, I guess
[09:20] <egonw> then it did not crash anymore
[09:20] <egonw> but the changes were not really radical
[09:20] <egonw> from my first guess...
[09:21] <egonw> I would say it crashes because the config has screen sizes for my external monitor...
[09:21] <scizzo-> egonw: well config files usually are the problem to crashes
[09:21] <egonw> which is higher resolution...
[09:21] <egonw> I think plasma does not handle that well...
[09:21] <egonw> but have not confirmed that suspicion yet
[09:21] <scizzo-> maybe
[09:21]  * scizzo- is not using KDE
[09:22] <egonw> scizzo-: no worries... I'll explore, and when I have something useful I'll report a bug...
[09:22] <egonw> thanx for your thoughts
[09:22] <scizzo-> egonw: well if the remove of config fixed it...then I do believe there where garbage in the config
[09:23] <scizzo-> trying to pinpoint down what caused the error and crash is something that needs to be done to be able to reproduce it
[09:24] <egonw> scizzo-: yes, that's what lead me to the above suspicion
[09:24] <egonw> but need to do some stuff at work first
[09:24] <egonw> before I can reproduce :)
[10:17] <MrGoodkat_> any news regarding the intel gma500 graphic driver in jaunty?
[10:36] <Slartibartfast> Anybody else having a very empty facebook page ? ... Is facebook checking Operating system?
[10:42] <Slartibartfast> Hmm a user.agent string change in "about:config" seems to do nothing ... still see Jaunty in my apache access log
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Slartibartfast: in FF?
[10:43] <Slartibartfast> yes
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Slartibartfast: thanks i will look into it sometime this week
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Slartibartfast: 3.0.7 or 3.1?
[10:44] <Slartibartfast> 3.0.7 here ..... but i also have an empty page with konqueror
[10:44] <Slartibartfast> on 8.10 facebook looks OK
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Slartibartfast: ok good that means its not firefox
[10:45] <Slartibartfast> But i mean ... i can not change the Useragenent string .... it has no effect
[10:45] <blizzkid> Lo all, any posssibility to get ipod-convenience installed in jaunty alpha5?   ipod-convenience: Depends: python-gpod but it is not going to be installed
[10:45] <Slartibartfast> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/2009030516 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.7" ... even when i changed in about:config"
[10:45] <Slartibartfast> But anyway ... i need to go
[10:57] <blizzkid> no-one?
[11:03] <hggdh> blizzkid, alpha 5 is gone
[11:03] <blizzkid> hggdh: gone? is 6 out now?
[11:08] <hggdh> it will be out on March 12
[11:10] <hggdh> it may be that python-gpod needs to be upgraded to python 2.6. Have you tried looking for an upgrade request on LP?
[11:10] <blizzkid> hggdh: it needs python < 2.6 according to the output of apt-get
[11:11] <blizzkid> and python 2.6.1 is installed
[11:11] <hggdh> blizzkid, there you go. Python 2.6 is now a requirement on Jaunty
[11:12] <hggdh> it probably just (hopefully) needs a nudge to a build-depends/depends on python >= 2.6
[11:12] <blizzkid> hggdh: so... any chance to get it installed atm?
[11:13] <hggdh> no, not without a repackaging.
[11:13] <blizzkid> that's a pitty
[11:14] <hggdh> well, you can also look at it as a chance to contribute ;-)
[11:15] <hggdh> blizzkid, again: search for a bug on it, requesting an upgrade; if there is none, then it will take longer...
[11:15] <blizzkid> I would if I could, but my programming and packaging skills are non existant ;)
[11:16] <blizzkid> I've seen some bugs, but I'm not sure these are what I needed
[11:17] <hggdh> you can still open a bug for it (or try #ubuntu-motu, perhaps someone will be available to repackage it). The point is: if nobody asks for it, it will certainly take longer than sooner
[11:17] <blizzkid> true :)
[13:01] <Finnish_> How do I tune my sound system so that it works in skype? I get audio out, but I'm not able to get my voice in
[13:08] <Finnish_> And why on earth Audio Tab under recording automatically mutes my laptop's input mic? I try to toggle it on, but every time its goes muted
[13:31] <yao_ziyuan> in ubuntu jaunty's gedit (2.25.8),
[13:31] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone enable the Find button in the Find dialog box?
[13:31] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone use the Find feature?
[13:32] <yao_ziyuan> my Find button is always disabled
[13:32] <hggdh> yao_ziyuan, not here
[13:33] <yao_ziyuan> ok, i'll try another gtk+ widget style
[13:33] <ripps> Does anybody know where I can get some documentation on the Gnome dbus multimedia keys framework?
[13:34] <yao_ziyuan> hggdh: what is your gedit version?
[13:34] <hggdh> 2.25.8, jaunty, like yours
[13:34] <yao_ziyuan> my gedit's Find and Replace don't work
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> these dialog boxes only have the "Close" button enabled
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> other buttons are all disabled always
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> btw,
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in kde 4.2.1
[13:36] <yao_ziyuan> running gedit in kde
[13:58] <iamarockstar> yao_ziyuan that could be the problem
[14:00] <Eruaran> dunno why he doesn't just use Kate if he's using KDE
[14:02] <daftykins> KATE ftw
[14:02] <robin0800> or nano
[14:06] <daftykins> not quite the same category of thing to be compared
[14:16] <VSpike> So, pulseaudio uses the default alsa device as a sink, amirite?
[14:17] <VSpike> If so, when you select "Pulseaudio Sound Server" for playback in Sound preferences, how are you intended to change the device from which the sound emanates?
[14:19] <DanaG> padevchooser / pavucontrol will let you set the default sink.
[14:19] <DanaG> I don't know why it's not installed by default -- it's rather silly.
[14:20] <VSpike> DanaG: I figured that was the case.  But that is a very unfriendly applet to use
[14:20] <VSpike> I wondered if there was a better way
[14:20] <VSpike> Actually, if you turn on network sharing and network discovery, you get nice human readable lists of your sources and sinks in the device chooser
[14:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, PA 0.9.15 PPA has network features broken, for some reason.
[14:21] <DanaG> it gives errors like "stream died", and "protocol error; kicking client."
[14:21] <VSpike> Otherwise, you get "Default" and "Other", other presenting you with a plain textbox for you to enter the easily memorable "alsa_output.usb_device_1778_403_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"
[14:21] <VSpike> Or similar
[14:22] <DanaG> pavucontrol works, though.
[14:22] <alex-weej> anyone know why Qt doesn't pay any attention to font hinting settings anymore?
[14:22] <DanaG> right-click on an output device.
[14:22] <VSpike> If you go into the Pulse Audio manager you get a slightly better list of source and sinks but no way to choose one as default
[14:22] <alex-weej> it's using the BCI font hinting when Gtk uses unhinteed
[14:22] <DanaG> oh yeah, another stupid thing: no way to choose which device to monitor with pavumeter.
[14:23] <VSpike> DanaG: aha yes, you're right
[14:25] <VSpike> DanaG: doesn't seem to work for me though
[14:25] <VSpike> I changed the HDA Intel to default, and "Default Sink" is set to "Default" but the sound comes out of the USB phone still
[14:26] <VSpike> That's using the "Test" button in the Sound Preferences
[14:26] <VSpike> But changing Default Sink to "johncc@gort:HDA Intel - ALC260 Analog" works
[14:42] <eternal_p> good morning all..I am just wondering if someone can give me a direction on getting Sun's 64-bit firefox plugin going...I am stuck with icetea
[14:45] <void^> there's a 64bit plugin now?
[14:46] <thiebaude> eternal_p: you can use 32 bit if you want
[14:47] <thiebaude> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538207&highlight=firefox+java&page=3
[14:57] <eternal_p> anyone elses' adobe reader crash upon loading
[14:58]  * Eruaran doesn't use Adobe Reader
[15:21] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[15:44] <pavs> Hey guys, after the recent jaunty update I cannot boot in to my windows. When I select "Other Operating Systems:" from my boot menu, I get "Error 11: Unrecognized Device String". I can hit any keys to go back to grub boot list.
[15:48] <pavs> Ok. Never mind. Its working now :) There were so many kernels to boot in to I missed the last entry on boot the windows partition.
[15:50] <unixdawg> ok its time to fix firefoox and seamonkey and gstreamer
[15:53] <pavs> Anyone knows if jaunty will look more or less the same way previous brownish looks we are so used to seeing by default? I know the log-in screen but will the default look will change too?
[15:54] <unixdawg> depends on the version
[15:54] <unixdawg> are you useing xumuntu or kubuntu
[15:55] <unixdawg> m/b
[15:55] <pavs> ubuntu.
[15:55] <unixdawg> then mostlikly it will remain ubuntu colors
[15:59] <Eruaran> There are no plans to change the default colour scheme for 9.04... They will be fore 9.10 though.
[16:00] <Eruaran> *for
[16:02] <pavs> awesome. 9.10 is koala right? I read Mark Shuttlewort's entry about hiring designers to work on Ubuntu, wasn't sure which release.
[16:04] <daftykins> pavs may i ask why you're asking all this?
[16:06] <iamarockstar> pavs: 9.10
[16:10] <pavs> daftykins just curious. I thought this was the channel for jaunty? Not supposed to discuss this in #ubuntu
[16:18] <iamarockstar> pavs: yeah trure
[16:28] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[16:28] <BUGabundo> what's up with the key chain on jaunty?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> anyone has a bug for it?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> akgraner: hi gorgeouse
[16:31] <Eruaran> KPackageKit is no longer broken
[16:31] <Eruaran> I just noticed its working now
[16:32] <Eruaran> :D
[16:32] <kosmonaut> just a short question here: what desktop search engine will jaunty have?
[16:33] <kosmonaut> beagle? tracker?
[16:33] <gumpert345> hi, is there an easy way to update from kubuntu 8.10 to jaunty jackalope ?
[16:34] <JanC> kosmonaut: tracker I suppose
[16:35] <JanC> gumpert345: update-manager -d
[16:35] <kosmonaut> JanC: I am asking cause I cant find tracker on Alpha5
[16:35] <kosmonaut> (sure I could install it...but it's not there by default AFAIK)
[16:35] <JanC> kosmonaut: well, I only did an upgrade ツ
[16:35] <BUGabundo> kosmonaut: I heard some one say it was removed from the seeds
[16:35] <charlie-tca> kosmonaut: does it tell you here - http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[16:36] <JanC> gumpert345: running jaunty isn't always "easy" though
[16:36] <gumpert345> JanC is update-manager a gnome program? it says, its not installed yet
[16:37] <BUGabundo> gumpert345: it should be installed!
[16:37] <JanC> gumpert345: I guess it has a Kubuntu version too
[16:37] <BUGabundo> please check if you have also the metapackage
[16:37] <BUGabundo> k/ubuntu-desktop
[16:38] <BUGabundo> JanC: its cross WE AFAIK
[16:38] <JanC> gumpert345: update-manager-kde
[16:38] <gumpert345> I run adept but I couldnt  use it for dist upgrade
[16:38] <kosmonaut> charlie-tca: not sure what you mean...i cant find anything realted to desktopsearch...(maybe i am blind)
[16:38] <charlie-tca> kosmonaut: I am sorry. I meant that for gunpert3345
[16:39] <BUGabundo> gumpert345: I should have read colin latest email on that!
[16:39] <kosmonaut> charlie-tca: ok...no problem ;-) I was just wondering
[16:39] <charlie-tca> gumpert345: did you check the release notes
[16:39] <JanC> gumpert345: but remember that jaunty is still alpha; things will break and you might have to fix things yourself (sometimes even without X)
[16:39] <gumpert345> oh,
[16:39] <charlie-tca> ttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[16:39] <charlie-tca> kosmonaut: I suppose I would too on that one
[16:40] <kosmonaut> :)
[16:40]  * charlie-tca going hide again
[16:45] <kosmonaut> something i do not really undestand...what is the use of that little mail-symbol on the panel. it say (something like) pidgin internet-message-service. Now when ever i get some IM via pidgin I got 2 alerts in the panel: 1. from pidgin 2. from this new message icon. Don't understand the use of it
[16:46] <BUGabundo> kosmonaut: the idea is that the pidgin ico will go away some time soon
[16:46] <BUGabundo> hi maco. welcomed
[16:46] <maco> BUGabundo: which is a good thing
[16:46] <maco> because its not a notification and thus does not belong in the notification area
[16:47] <BUGabundo> maco: like the IPv6 thingy
[16:47] <maco> now if only they'd get rid of that stupid hiding and use normal minimize
[16:47] <kosmonaut> BUGabundo: so it's still work in progress right?
[16:47] <maco> and exit on close
[16:47] <maco> like the rest of the world
[16:47] <BUGabundo> maco: I was at Tokamak... I saw the discussion of kde guys about all of that! it's a lovelly plan
[16:48] <BUGabundo> maco: I one of those that like the app to be minimized some where... no need to have a FULL app space on the tray
[16:48] <maco> BUGabundo: had to start using quassel bug #341106
[16:49] <maco> BUGabundo: minimized to where windows minimize makes sense to me
[16:49] <maco> why have 2 places for minimized windows to go (the window list and the notification area)?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> then we need a dock to minimized progs, like the plasma spec wants!
[16:50] <maco> or just get rid of the window list!
[16:50] <BUGabundo> oops... I'm not supposed to mention that on public
[16:50] <maco> my windows minimize to simply being invisible
[16:50] <maco> if i want a window back, i alt+tab
[16:50]  * BUGabundo places dark glasses and Flashes everyone (aka MIB stile)
[16:50] <maco> BUGabundo: um, so you know, flashes means something else in english
[16:51] <BUGabundo> buubs
[16:51] <maco> not when a guy does it
[16:51] <BUGabundo> no?
[16:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:51] <BUGabundo> what then?
[16:51] <maco> indecent exposure of another sort
[16:52] <BUGabundo> I bet that would everyone forget what I said.... lol even better then MIB ehehe
[16:58] <Eruaran> oh...
[16:58] <fosco__> inal de root
[16:58] <Eruaran> KPackageKit is integrated with KDE's System Settings
[16:58] <Eruaran> very nice !
[16:58] <fosco__> ups, sorry
[17:09] <Eruaran> guys, this is awesome
[17:09] <Eruaran> Great work Kubuntu team
[17:10] <kosmonaut> does some1 use Thunderbird here? Just want to know if message-filters work for you in TB?
[17:10] <Eruaran> TB ?
[17:10] <kosmonaut> thunderbird
[17:10] <Eruaran> oooh
[17:11] <Eruaran> :P
[17:11] <kosmonaut> sorry i kind of lazy today
[17:11] <BUGabundo> kosmonaut: ask on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[17:11] <kosmonaut> good "."
[17:15] <DanaG> BUGabundo: you said "flashes", and I thought of a guy giving a smile and having his teeth make a "shiny" sound.
[17:16] <BUGabundo> hehe
[17:24] <gumpert345> I tried to update but I get this message: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libio-socket-ssl-perl/libio-socket-ssl-perl_1.18-1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:32] <BUGabundo> gumpert345: change to another mirror and try again
[17:33] <BUGabundo> NEVER do an upgrade while incomplete or Parcial
[17:39] <michael__> I got disconnected from transmission and now my download is going very slowly, what should I do?
[17:40] <BUGabundo> michael__: have better ratio
[17:50] <mathias> hi, my  problem umts wvdial network-manager 7.0.x and umtsmon can't connect on wvdial i get the message "... no carrier..." after ATDT can somebody help me? btw. modem is Hauwei e620
[17:52] <maco> BUGabundo: ratio only matters on private trackers, i thought
[18:29] <igascream> hi I'm using alpha 5 and want to know if it is safe to switch to ext4 ? Is it possible to lose data?
[18:30] <danbhfive> igascream: AFAIK, ext4 is included in jaunty for testing, and will be considered stable for koala.  I did see a bug report about people loosing data...
[18:31] <igascream> thanks alot
[18:32] <igascream> also have some issue with ati driver. there are blinking white strips on screen.... is it a known bug?
[18:40] <igascream> Is bootchart now saves it's logs in archive ? I cant make it generate pictures what may be the problem?
[18:41] <CosmiChaos> Does somebody know how to enable nautilus to create thumbnails for mpeg and x264??? I have it working for xvid, all unstripped packages and thumbnailers installed. Please help.
[18:45] <crdlb> CosmiChaos: can totem play them?
[18:46] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: yes
[18:46] <Alexia_Death> Anybody else having knetworkmanager problems?
[18:47] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: oh wait you are right it cant, what to do?
[18:48] <crdlb> nautilus is using totem-video-thumbnailer to get the thumbnails
[18:48] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: i have all totem packages installed all lib*-unstripped
[18:48] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: thanks for that information, but do you know how to make totem able to process x264 and mpeg?
[18:49] <crdlb> presumably, one of the plugin packs would cover that
[18:49] <crdlb> for gstreamer
[18:49] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: all gstreamer-plugins are installed :(
[18:52] <tuxxy__> hey all wondering if anyone had twinview setup and working on jaunty yet
[18:53] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: i have installed base good bad bad-multiverse ugly ugly-multiverse farsight and ffmpeg plugins for gstreamer installed. it still does not work.
[19:02] <CosmiChaos> Can anyone help he? I have thumbnails for XVID but not for MPEG and X264 in jaunty? Does anyone see thumbnails of such on anyones system?
[19:03] <crdlb> err, your problem is that gstreamer can't play them, not that they're not being thumbnailed :)
[19:05] <CosmiChaos> ok so why does gstreamer not play them? the plugins are all installed!
[19:05] <crdlb> nice, TED videos + totem = segfault
[19:05] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: please in english
[19:06] <crdlb> I just tried to play a ted.com video (hires version) and totem segfaulted
[19:07] <crdlb> all of them do it too
[19:07] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: i thought it would be gstreamer that had a problem? .... *confused*
[19:08] <crdlb> yep, segfault in gst-launch-0.10 too
[19:08] <CosmiChaos> i dont know what a *.ted video is either you are riddling man im on another side of the universe then you
[19:09] <SwedeMike> CosmiChaos: www.ted.com perhaps?
[19:09] <SwedeMike> they have a lot of videos
[19:09] <CosmiChaos> perfhaps i ddnt know that
[19:10] <CosmiChaos> i dont know and care what anyone has got, i have got a mpeg, a x264 and a xvid, all playing fine with vls and mplayer, but the thumbnails in nautilus are missing for x264 and meg thats all my problem is made of
[19:12] <CosmiChaos> so ifid like to know how to provide furthe rinformations to this gstreamer/totem/nautilus-bug whatsoever
[19:16] <CosmiChaos> What i got out of totem is this playing an MPEG: ** Message: Error: Internal data stream error.gstmpegdemux.c(762): gst_flups_demux_sink_event (): /GstPlayBin:play/GstDecodeBin:decodebin0/GstMpegPSDemux:mpegpsdemux0:Can't push EOS downstream
[19:23] <CosmiChaos> crdlb: i tried installing gstreamer plugins mpeg mux and demux that require to remove bad, now the internal data stream error issappears, no video output but no crash
[19:24] <CosmiChaos> but still no thumbnails :(
[19:24] <CosmiChaos> i gonna use mms, that uses ffmpeg thumbnailer
[20:07] <phytopius> someone knows something about a driver for ati radeion graphic cards with jaunty.. still dosn't work on my laptop
[20:32] <blueyed> "Lock screen" does not work in Kubuntu anymore?! confirmations?
[20:32] <blueyed> Also, when the screen gets blanked, it takes ~30-60 seconds after waking it up before any mouse/keyboard input is registered.
[20:53] <Ienorand> DOes anyone know if bug 284377 has been solved in latest build?
[20:54] <Ienorand> Hmm, lp problems?..
[21:04] <kindofabuzz> when i make a desktop launcher, it comes out as a <whatever>.desktop, then i have to give it trust in order to run. is this something new in jaunty? or just not fixed yet?
[21:05] <kindofabuzz> even when i select something in the menu and choose to place it on the desktop, it does the same thing
[21:07] <kindofabuzz> nvm, it's a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/340425
[21:18] <antoranz> HI, guys!
[21:18] <antoranz> I'm having a core dump on apt
[21:19] <antoranz> what can I do?
[21:19] <antoranz> I last updated like 6 or 7 years ago
[21:19] <antoranz> I mean, hours! :-D
[21:20] <Ienorand> Does anyone know if bug 284377 has been solved in latest build?
[21:25] <hggdh> antoranz, I had a similar issue a few days ago
[21:26] <hggdh> antoranz, and I am trying to remember what I did...
[21:29] <antoranz> should I install http://co.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_i386.deb directly?
[21:31] <antoranz> I still get the cire dump
[21:31] <hggdh> this is not your current apt version?
[21:31] <antoranz> Fuck!
[21:31] <Seeker`> !language | antoranz
[21:31] <antoranz> k, sorry
[21:33] <antoranz> In the backtrce the last call is 0xb7cac5eb in strlen () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[21:34] <antoranz> if I put it on a pastebin, could anybody look at the backtrace and tell me where I have to head? :-)
[21:34] <hggdh> pastebin the bt
[21:34] <antoranz> k
[21:34] <antoranz> give me a second
[21:36] <kindofabuzz> alpha 6 today?
[21:36] <hggdh> should be (if you are already on March 12)
[21:36] <antoranz> there you go: http://www.pastebin.ca/1358542
[21:36] <kindofabuzz> oh, only march 11 here
[21:38] <hggdh> antoranz, I do not think this is the same issue I had. It is probably a good idea to open a bug on it
[21:39] <antoranz> not what I wanted to hear... I would have loved to get a couple of sudos instead. :-)
[21:39] <hggdh> :-)
[21:42] <lordnoid> Hi I don't have sound in flash on ubuntu jaunty alpha.. using 64-bit.. swfdec or proprietary flash doesn't matter
[21:45] <skyjumper> anyone have adobe reader working in jaunty amd64?
[21:46] <skyjumper> it freezes after loading here
[21:49] <kindofabuzz> get rid of adobe =)
 I need to get jaunty 64 and load it on my64 laptop
 url
[21:53] <TheInfinity> !cdimages
[21:53] <TheInfinity> !cd
[21:53] <TheInfinity> !images
[21:53] <TheInfinity> :/
[21:53] <TheInfinity> unixdawg: read topic :p
[21:53] <antoranz> where can I get the .deb for libstdc++6?
[21:54] <skyjumper> antoranz: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:54] <unixdawg> apt-get
[21:54] <antoranz> well... that was an oversight on my part
[21:54] <antoranz> hold on
[21:57] <antoranz> well... I updated all packages involved in the backtrace (download/dpkg) but the problem remains
[21:57] <antoranz> I already created the bug report
[21:57] <dtchen> lordnoid: sorry, connection issues. if you responded, please repaste
[21:57] <antoranz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/341402
[21:57] <antoranz> that's it
[21:57] <lordnoid> dtchen, I didn't.. did you ask me something?
[21:58] <antoranz> kde doesn't want to start either... perhaps both problems are related?
[21:58] <dtchen> lordnoid: yes, i asked if you had audible audio in non-{swf,flv} media
[21:58] <dtchen> lordnoid: (it likely didn't go through due to client pinging out)
[21:58] <lordnoid> in amarok2 it's working fine, but I don't have sound in VLC either
[21:58] <lordnoid> I was just about to try disabling pulseaudio
[21:59] <dtchen> lordnoid: are you logged into through kdm or gdm using kde or gnome?
[21:59] <lordnoid> but im now in kde
[21:59] <lordnoid> kdm, kde
[21:59] <unixdawg> kde rulzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[21:59] <unixdawg> sorry
[21:59] <dtchen> lordnoid: ok, kde doesn't use pulseaudio by default, but it should autospawn
[21:59] <dtchen> lordnoid: please try: killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -vvv
[22:00] <dtchen> lordnoid: then pastebin the debug spew for me, please
[22:01] <lordnoid>  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/129953/
[22:01] <lordnoid> dtchen, I'm playing youtube at the end
[22:01] <lordnoid> and im hearing some weak noise
[22:03] <dtchen> lordnoid: can you use pavucontrol to migrate the stream to the desired output device and/or adjust the volume?
[22:03] <lordnoid> hm yes it is in there
[22:04] <lordnoid> dtchen, I can adjust volume and only have one output
[22:04] <unixdawg> ok this wil give me something to do tongiht
[22:04] <unixdawg> lol
[22:05] <dtchen> lordnoid: and both the default sink and the application are set to 100% ?
[22:05] <lordnoid> dtchen, yes
[22:06] <lordnoid> hm firefox crashes now
[22:06] <lordnoid> bleh amarok doesn't work anymore too :(
[22:06] <lordnoid> shall I switch to gnome and disable pulseaudio to see what that does?
[22:07] <dtchen> lordnoid: you'll first need to disable autospawn
[22:07] <lordnoid> dtchen, how?
[22:07] <dtchen> lordnoid: comment out the autospawn line in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[22:07] <lordnoid> ok done
[22:08] <lordnoid> brb then
[22:09] <unixdawg> ok this sucks my laptop runs better then my desktop and its older
[22:10] <Dillizar> hey
[22:10] <Dillizar> will 9.04 kill the webcam like 8.10??
[22:10] <dtchen> we need more information regarding the specific webcam
[22:10] <dtchen> and we need a bug report referencing "like 8.10"
[22:12] <Dillizar> dtchen, dunno but on 8.04 my web cam was working and lot more
[22:12] <dtchen> Dillizar: please provide hardware info on your web cam
[22:12] <Dillizar> its a labtec
[22:13] <dtchen> specifically?
[22:13] <Dillizar> as i recall they said that some drivers were removed from 8.10
[22:13] <Dillizar> there are only 6-7 models i think
[22:13] <Dillizar> :)
[22:13] <dtchen> you should check lspci/lsusb or lshal
[22:13] <lordnoid> well still only noise
[22:14] <dtchen> lordnoid: what sort of noise?
[22:14] <lordnoid> now all programs stopped their sound
[22:14] <lordnoid> oss works fine :p
[22:14] <lordnoid> uh it's not loud
[22:14] <dtchen> ok, so we start at the bottom.
[22:14] <lordnoid> some crackling noise
[22:14] <dtchen> run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and tell me the url
[22:15] <dtchen> (download it, run it as a bash script)
[22:15] <unixdawg> you need to install the alsa-oss also
[22:15] <dtchen> and if you're only using ALSA directly, make sure your user is in the audio group.
[22:15] <Dillizar> dtchen, Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:0929 Logitech, Inc. Labtec WebCam Pro
[22:16] <lordnoid> Your ALSA information is located at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=24bd5f138c0dc6d6124d260baf177cf4ad54e064
[22:16] <dtchen> Dillizar: now cross-reference that ID (046d:0929) with bug reports in jaunty affecting the `linux' source package
[22:16] <lordnoid> I don't have alsa-oss..
[22:16] <dtchen> you don't need alsa-oss
[22:16] <Dillizar> dtchen, i am trying something called easycam :D
[22:17] <Dillizar> but its lil bit french
[22:17] <Dillizar> :D
[22:17] <dtchen> ah
[22:17] <dtchen> lordnoid: your PCM is set to 0.
[22:17] <Dillizar> and i dont trust french specially with electronics :P
[22:18] <lordnoid> ah youre right
[22:18] <lordnoid> still no sound though lol
[22:18] <dtchen> lordnoid: see your Surround, Center, LFE, and Side controls, too
[22:19] <lordnoid> yeah but I only have 2 speakers
[22:19] <dtchen> note they're all zeroed and muted
[22:19] <Ienorand> anyone know when kernel 2.6.29 is goind to pop up in jaunty?
[22:19] <dtchen> Ienorand: it won't.
[22:20] <lordnoid> dtchen, thanks :D my sound is back
[22:20] <dtchen> lordnoid: which control did you have to adjust?
[22:20] <lordnoid> surrond,center,lfe,side
[22:20] <Ienorand> dtchen: okay, I was wondering since bug 284377 seems to be fixed with it...
[22:20] <lordnoid> I dont know why
[22:20] <dtchen> lordnoid: did you happen to get which one?
[22:21] <lordnoid> because im really sure my speakers are on the right output :p
[22:21] <lordnoid> ill try one by one
[22:21] <dtchen> thanks.
[22:21] <askand> Is evolution crashing for everyone else too when using calendar?
[22:21] <dtchen> i'll probably need to build logic into alsa-util.c to twiddle them
[22:21] <Ienorand> It is a bit annaoying since this is stopping me from doing any testing on my machine atm.
[22:22] <dtchen> Ienorand: are you using a mainline build from ~kernel-ppa?
[22:22] <lordnoid> dtchen, uh I disabled them again but the sound is still working :p
[22:22] <dtchen> lordnoid: what do you mean by disabled?
[22:22] <askand> Is anyone else having big problems with pulseaudio that werent there in intrepid?
[22:22] <lordnoid> dtchen, back to zero and muted
[22:22] <dtchen> askand: well, yes
[22:23] <dtchen> askand: what specifically, however?
[22:23] <askand> dtchen: scrathy sound, totem suddenly stops playing music and I have to close it, kill pulseaudio and restart it
[22:23] <dtchen> lordnoid: did you need to add your user to @audio?
[22:23] <dtchen> askand: which specific package revision of pulseaudio?
[22:24] <lordnoid> dtchen, I didn't do that..
[22:24] <Ienorand> dtchen: no I'm just using daily lives, and I get no network connection at all
[22:24] <askand> dtchen: Version: 0.9.14-0ubuntu11
[22:24] <askand> dtchen: It feels like different apps is competing to reach soundoutput
[22:24] <dtchen> askand: did you enable glitch-free in /etc/pulse/default.pa ?
[22:24] <lordnoid> dtchen, but the only user in the audio group is "pulse"
[22:25] <dtchen> lordnoid: ok, that's proper
[22:25] <askand> dtchen: no, do I just add glitch-free to the bottom?
[22:26] <dtchen> askand: no, find the load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0 line, and remove tsched=0
[22:26] <dtchen> then kill pulseaudio
[22:27] <askand> dtchen: Ah remember seeing that, that lennart-developer-guy was angry on the ubuntukernel but this was a workaround
[22:27] <dtchen> askand: the root cause of your symptom is fairly complicated and involves two parts: the kernel (`linux' source package) and pulseaudio (`pulseaudio')
[22:27] <dtchen> i've already fixed the pulseaudio portion
[22:27] <unixdawg> when is gstreamer going to be fixed
[22:27] <dtchen> i'm evaluating whether the linux portion is mergeable into jaunty's `linux'
[22:28] <askand> dtchen: I applaud your work :)
[22:28] <unixdawg> so that when users play mp3/avi they dont play at x2 speed
[22:28] <dtchen> also, not all hardware plays nicely with the default setting of tsched=0 (glitch-free disabled)
[22:28] <askand> unixdawg: I dont have that, sounds funny but annoying :)
[22:28] <dtchen> some users get better performance with glitch-free enabled due to broken hardware
[22:28] <dtchen> some users get better performance with it disabled due to broken hardware
[22:28] <Dillizar> dtchen, Module gspca not found. i need this :D and i dont know what it is but i had it in 8.04
[22:28] <dtchen> either way, we have to fudge around broken hardware somewhere
[22:29] <askand> dtchen: That sounds like a complicated problem indeed
[22:29] <unixdawg> I do on all 4 of my systems
[22:29] <unixdawg> the music jumps and plays at what sounds lik x2 speed
[22:30] <dtchen> Ienorand: are you planning to test in a vm?
[22:30] <dtchen> Ienorand: if so, you could try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.29-rc7/
[22:30] <askand> unixdawg: I remember suffering from that bug when I had smoked bad things.. ;) just kidding, do you have a link to the report?
[22:31] <unixdawg> it happens in audacious
[22:31] <unixdawg> and no I have no link to the report on the issue
[22:31] <dtchen> which issue?
[22:31] <dtchen> audio aberrations?
[22:32] <dtchen> that's bug 330814
[22:34] <unixdawg> ok it seems to be fixed as of today
[22:34] <unixdawg> yesterday it was not working
[22:35] <unixdawg> I just updated my laptop and now its working correctly
[22:51] <shane_> I have an sd card mounted as /home on my eeepc in jaunty. Up until very recently gdm tells me /home doesn't exist when I try to log in. If I mount with mount -a, it works and I can log in. Why isn't this being mounted on boot like the "auto" option commands?
[22:53] <maco> anyone else finding that evolution won't start?
[22:53] <dtchen> 18:21 < askand> Is evolution crashing for everyone else too when using calendar?
[22:54] <maco> er....but that suggests it launches to begin with, then crashes when you go to the calendar
[22:54] <bruce89> works for me
[22:54] <dtchen> fresh login?
[22:55] <maco> will try
[22:56] <bruce89> anything interesting in a terminal?
[22:56] <maco> just the usual atk warnings
[22:58] <dtchen> Cycom: i'll need you to test a kernel from my ppa in ~6 hours
[23:00] <shane_> I wonder if a recent update broke the possibility of mounting the sd at /home on boot. At least that's what I'm seeing with no changes to fstab
[23:13] <hggdh> mako, what evo version?
[23:14] <hggdh> maco ^^
[23:14] <hggdh> and sorry to make you in a shark ...
[23:14] <dtchen> as long as you pronounced the short 'a', you're fine
[23:15] <hggdh> :-)
[23:17] <shane_> I broke down and added /bin/mount /home to my rc.local to mount my sd card automatically. Something with a recent jaunty update broke my fstab
[23:19] <hggdh> jeez, Evo startup is getting to be a pain...
[23:28] <syockit> when I get a lockup that still allows me to SysRq-b, who can I blame: X11, or the kernel?
[23:31] <mase_work> syockit: can you ssh in ?
[23:31] <syockit> on my other laptop when that happened, yes
[23:31] <syockit> mase_work: sorry not pinging
[23:37] <skyjumper> i'm trying to get adobe reader to run on amd64, but it keeps loading 64bit libs from /usr/lib
[23:37] <skyjumper> setting an LD_LIBRARY_PATH didn't do it
[23:37] <skyjumper> any ideas?
[23:37] <dtchen> skyjumper: did you install ia32-libs
[23:38] <bruce89> I wonder why adobe reader is needed at all
[23:38] <skyjumper> dtchen: of course
[23:38] <skyjumper> bruce89: irrelevant
[23:39] <dtchen> skyjumper: please ldd the actual acroread executable and pastebin the output
[23:39] <skyjumper> ooh just found ia32-apt-get. now that's elite
[23:40] <dtchen> :)
[23:55] <syockit> when I get a lockup that still allows me to either SysRq-b, or ssh in, who can I blame: X11, or the kernel?
[23:55] <syockit> I need a program name to curse when that happens
[23:56] <dtchen> see: graphics driver, possibly linux
[23:56] <syockit> I take it as the kernel then?
[23:57] <syockit> S('J&%$  2.6.28 !!!
[23:57] <dtchen> i would look first at the graphics driver and then pop the stack
[23:58] <skyjumper> dtchen: not sure how to ldd this binary... $ ldd /opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
[23:58] <skyjumper> /usr/bin/ldd: line 117: /opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[23:59] <skyjumper> it also runs like this from a script: "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread"
[23:59] <bruce89> file /opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread ?
[23:59] <skyjumper> yes?


[23:06] <ModFather> hi There,
[23:06] <ModFather> can i install Ubuntu Mate, on my raspberry pi 1 ( model 2011 ) ?
[23:10] <k1l_> sadly no.
[23:10] <k1l_> the rpi1 got a too old chip architecture.
[23:10] <ModFather> :( thanks