[05:43] <Setite> but it will take considerably longer than one that you pay for
[05:44] <Setite> i would just download and burn it
[05:44] <anir> i am gonna buy an extra 120 GB HDD
[05:44] <Setite> or do a network install or something
[05:45] <anir> but my downloding capacity is limited.. i can download max 750 MB a month
[05:45] <anir> so..sad
[05:45] <housetier> find more friends
[05:46] <adam_> is there an apt-get command to install the driver for an nvidia 6800gt?
[05:46] <anir> hey bye guys..
[05:47] <anir> see u tomorrow
[05:47] <anir> and u all prepare well for new year
[05:47] <anir> have a blast
[05:48] <anir> how come the name of ubuntu is not there in www.linuxiso.org ???
[05:48] <housetier> adam_ when I hear "nvidia" I think binary driver, which leads here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:48] <housetier> however, I have no idea if that'll help you at all
[05:48] <thoreauputic> anir: maybe they aren't up to date
[05:48] <sladen> anir: dunno, have you considered writing to Linuxiso and asking them to add it?
[05:49] <anir> i will do it now
[05:49] <mob_> hi all
[05:50] <housetier> adam_ as for the grub problem, did you install ubuntu before or after windows?
[05:50] <anir> i have sent
[05:50] <mob_> does anyone knows hot to add launchers to gnome-menu? i've tried with 'nautilus applications:///' but it says "<<applications:///>> no es una direccion valida" (spanish)
[05:51] <anir> what is the platform of ubuntu..?? x86??
[05:51] <adam_> i installed after windows, i just edited the menu file(what happened to grub.conf?) and added a windows entry hopefullt that works
[05:52] <adam_> what was that nvidia thing?  sorry but im stuck in text-mode and am unfamiliar with controls for this irssi app
[05:52] <anir> what is minix??
[05:52] <thoreauputic> anir: there are x86 and ppc versions, and a 64 bit version as well IIRC
[05:52] <adam_> andy tanenbaums os
[05:52] <mob_> previous version of linux
[05:52] <ogra> adam_: run xf86cfg
[05:52] <adam_> just do "sudo xf86cfg"?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> mob_: no, it wasn't a version of linux
[05:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:53] <jdz_> anir: minix is an educational opperating system, created to teach students.  linus used linux as a base to learn from and then create linux
[05:53] <ogra> adam_: yep
[05:53] <mob_> i've read it on an operating system book
[05:53] <thoreauputic> mob_: Linus used it to make Linux
[05:53] <adam_> shouldnt the install process do that??
[05:53] <anir> so the project was stopped in '96??
[05:53] <mob_> i know
[05:53] <ogra> adam_: normally yes....
[05:53] <mob_> btw linus did says that he wanted to build a little unix name 'minix' so...
[05:54] <mob_> silvershartz it's the book version 4
[05:54] <anir> what about dentoo?? how is it?
[05:54] <anir> its gentoo
[05:55] <tarquin> has anyone thought to make a distro that can work on all those 386s still out there than run Windows 3.1?
[05:55] <mob_> thoreauputic, do you know how to add launchers to the gnome menu?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> mob_: re: Linus announcement of new OS see  http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&th=d161e94858c4c0b9&seekm=1991Aug26.110602.19446%40klaava.Helsinki.FI#link1
[05:55] <anir> whats the diff between Debian and Redhat??
[05:56] <mob_> im going to lunch, bye all
[05:56] <thoreauputic> mob_: re launchers:  open applications:/// in nautilus, right click, add
[05:56] <thoreauputic> anir: night and day ;)
[05:57] <thoreauputic> or the other way around...
[05:57] <mob_> thoreauputic, yes, but it says that isn't a valid location (im using spanish locale)
[05:57] <Fator_Dee> *argh* one should NOT tamper with a working linux system, now I got my mplayer all fscked up >_<
[05:57] <adam_> ok, xf86cfg opened a screen but my mouse didnt work, i used the keypad and quit it, not sure what the deal is now did it auto config?  what did i have to do at that screen?  i double-clicked with the keyboard on the icons but nothing happened
[05:58] <thoreauputic> mob_: hmm... dunno then
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: quitting ;)
[05:58] <anir> thoreauputic: which one is night
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: it offered to save the config on quit, didnt it ?
[05:58] <adam_> yeah
[05:58] <adam_> startx now?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> anir: I was joking - I obviously prefer Debian ;0
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: fine, try: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:59] <anir> guys there are lots of open source os developement project going on...
[05:59] <anir> wow
[05:59] <thoreauputic> anir: yes, we know :)
[06:00] <anir> so thats great
[06:00] <anir> well i didnt know that..lol
[06:00] <adam_> fail
[06:00] <sr> hi
[06:00] <ogra> adam_: what error ?
[06:00] <adam_> "starting gnome display manager       fail"
[06:01] <sr> anyone has installed acroread without any problems ?
[06:01] <ogra> adam_: try: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:01] <thoreauputic> anir:   http://sourceforge.net/    - HUGE!
[06:01] <ogra> adam_: there was probably still a flag from the install .....
[06:02] <adam_> it tried a couple times and failed again
[06:02] <ogra> adam_: hmm
[06:02] <ogra> adam_: no other errors ?
[06:02] <Setite> did you defrag prior to partitioning and installation
[06:03] <adam_> no
[06:03] <Setite> my buddy forgot to and that caused problems
[06:03] <adam_> install seemed to go ok
[06:03] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:03] <anir> what the heck are they doing.....::)
[06:03] <ogra> adam_: then try startx and see what erros show up there
[06:03] <dr_willis> hmm
[06:03] <dr_willis> slashdot.org used to have a rss feed/button show up at in firefox. it aont doing it now.. odd.
[06:03] <adam_> no screens found
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: did you already edit the config maually ?
[06:04] <adam_> no
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: then no config tool would work
[06:04] <adam_> Ok, I have to edit this file manually?
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: but xf86cfg dropped you in the graph mode ?
[06:04] <kipod> hello i have a strange problem .... i can't c hebrew files on Nautilus after i have localized my system ... does someone knows y ?
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: nope, dont touch it
[06:05] <thoreauputic> adam_:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure  -plow xserver-xfree86  and say no to the framebuffer question
[06:05] <thoreauputic> adam_: that's the factoid from #debian for noscreensfound IIRC
[06:05] <ogra> adam_: thoreauputic may have a point here....
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ogra: a rare occurrance... *grin*
[06:06] <ogra> and i got to got shopping.....before they close....
[06:06] <ogra> thoreauputic: oh, come on....
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ogra: hehe
[06:09] <vinic_> hi people! Since I updated to <IP_ADDRESS>, I can't open nautilus anymore... What happened?
[06:09] <lek> it blew up
[06:09] <vinic_> oh
[06:09] <vinic_> :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> vinic_,  try starting it from a xterm and see what error messages it gives. for a start
[06:09] <vinic_> absolutely nothing
[06:09] <adam_> failed to load module v4l, no devices detected, no screens found
[06:10] <adam_> i said no to fb question
[06:10] <dr_willis> so you type 'nautilus' and it just exits?
[06:10] <vinic_> just CR and LF
[06:10] <vinic_> carriage return & Line feed
[06:10] <vinic_> and nothing
[06:10] <thoreauputic> adam_: I can /msg you the full factoid, if you wish
[06:11] <thoreauputic> adam_: shall I /msg you?
[06:11] <adam_> ok
[06:12] <thoreauputic> adam_:  got it?
[06:13] <adam_> yes thanks
[06:13] <vinic_> ooh and i dont get sounds anymore...
[06:13] <vinic_> oh no
[06:13] <vinic_> forget the last point
[06:13] <vinic_> :)
[06:14] <thoreauputic> adam_: if you want to ask the bot in #debian questions, you can just join #debian and do /msg dpkg  (although you'll often get responses like "I have no idea" etc :)
[06:15] <kipod> when i boot/login  the gnome panel doesn't load   how can i run manuly ? does any  onw knows?
[06:15] <anir> thoreauputic: hey i am checking the distros.. but i have to buy them..they are not free
[06:16] <thoreauputic> anir: some are "gratis", some are not. They are mostly free as in "freedom" however
[06:16] <dr_willis> gnome-panel used to be th ecommand to run the panel./
[06:17] <anir> thoreauputic: which all are free?? Mepis is not, nitix is not,
[06:17] <kipod> what's the ecommand ... and y shouldnot i run it with the termenal ?
[06:17] <Kakarotto> hello!
[06:18] <adam_> wow this is frustrating
[06:18] <Kakarotto> what is so frustrating?
[06:18] <adam_> ubuntu wont give me a gui
[06:18] <Kakarotto> a what?
[06:18] <adam_> x wont start
[06:18] <thoreauputic> anir: there's no law that says you can't charge for Linux.  Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, etc etc can all be downloaded without paying..
[06:19] <Kakarotto> maye you're using the wrong video drivers
[06:19] <anir> adam_ what is X
[06:19] <adam_> xfree86
[06:19] <Kakarotto> have you checked your XF86Config?
[06:19] <adam_> What am i looking for?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> anir: X is the engine that gives you your graphic interface, basically
[06:19] <anir> thoreauputic: i am not saying that they cant charge.. but why they call is free s/w then?
[06:19] <kipod> i get this error locale not supported by C library how can i install the locals files ?
[06:19] <anir> thoreauputic: so how will i start X??
[06:20] <thoreauputic> anir:  "free as in freedom" - free to use the source code etc
[06:20] <Kakarotto> adam_: have you looked at your config file?
[06:20] <anir> thoreauputic: so how will i start X ??
[06:21] <Kakarotto> adam_: do you know which is your video card?
[06:21] <Kakarotto> anir: yo know you are using X if you can use your mouse to click things
[06:21] <adam_> I just looked at it
[06:21] <adam_> Nvidia 6800GT
[06:21] <adam_> im using the nv driver
[06:21] <thoreauputic> anir: usually it just starts by default with Ubuntu - you gat a pretty login screen and go from there
[06:21] <Kakarotto> adam_: you must install nvidia drivers
[06:21] <anir> okay
[06:21] <Kakarotto> have you actually downloaded the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
[06:21] <adam_> what is the apt command to do that?
[06:22] <Kakarotto> no, you have to get into the website
[06:22] <Kakarotto> apt-get install lynx
[06:22] <Kakarotto> then use lynx (a text interface internet browser)
[06:22] <Kakarotto> to get into the nvidia's site
[06:22] <Kakarotto> or.. if you want i can DCC SEND it to you
[06:23] <kent_> Kakarotto, It is possible to install the nvidia-driver with apt, isn't it?  just enable restricted with apt and your ready to go, or atleast i thought so.
[06:23] <adam_> I tried sudo apt-get install elinks/links/lynx, no good
[06:23] <adam_> w3m works
[06:23] <adam_> i mean its already installed
[06:23] <Kakarotto> kent_: may be.. but nvidia has a text installer which is much more trustable
[06:23] <thoreauputic> anir: you can read about the origins of software freedom in this free online book ;  http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/index.html
[06:24] <anir> thoreauputic: you please post a mail to the ubuntu developers to make it more compitable for gaming in the next version..so that i can play games
[06:24] <Kakarotto> i would use apt to get installed kernel modules like the ATI's one.. but nvidia has an installer, so you just press enter, enter, enter, enter.. and you got it
[06:24] <thoreauputic> anir: hehe - this is open source: you can send a mail to the Ubuntu mailing list if you wish :)
[06:25] <adam_> Thank gor for irssi or i would be totally stuck
[06:25] <anir> thoreauputic: i found the installation a bit problem in linux
[06:25] <thoreauputic> anir: why are you telling me? :)
[06:25] <Kakarotto> adam_ you should use bitchx :)
[06:25] <anir> thoreauputic: sure i will send.. now if u send it too it will be 1+1=11
[06:26] <thoreauputic> anir: you can participate by making your problems known in the forum
[06:26] <adam_> i tried bitchx first, wasnt installed
[06:26] <Kakarotto> but you got apt working
[06:26] <anir> thoreauputic: i thought you could understand.. sorry
[06:26] <adam_> So is it normal to dload from nvidia and install to get x working on ubuntu?
[06:27] <Kakarotto> but wait.. dont add more problems.. lets finish your X issue
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anir: of course I understand :) I'm encouraging you to participate in the community :)
[06:27] <Kakarotto> are you downloading the nvidia's installer?
[06:27] <adam_> shouldnt the nv driver work?
[06:27] <adam_> yes
[06:27] <anir> thoreauputic: how can i join??
[06:27] <Kakarotto> no
[06:27] <Kakarotto> the nv driver is nothing, you have to download the nvidia's offical driver (whichs name is "nvidia", no just "nv")
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anir: if you are running linux you are a member already ;)
[06:27] <vinic_> hi people! Since I updated to <IP_ADDRESS>-4, I can't open nautilus anymore... What happened?
[06:28] <Kakarotto> vinic_: have you tried "whereis nautilus" ?
[06:28] <anir> thoreauputic: okay now i want to post my view.. where can i do that??
[06:28] <vinic_> no
[06:28] <adam_> ok, it looked like it downloaded but there is no file in my dir
[06:28] <adam_> i never use w3m
[06:28] <Kakarotto> try it out.. it will tell you the full path to nautilus, then try to type the full line and that should start nautlius
[06:28] <adam_> links and lynx wont install
[06:29] <thoreauputic> anir:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:29] <vinic_> Kakarotto : it founds it
[06:29] <biezt> hi : is my amd 1.3 ghz 256 mb ram good enough for ubuntu and can i install it without any linux knowledge but average pc knowledge ?
[06:29] <anir> thoreauputic: thank you very much
[06:29] <vinic_> Kakarotto : but nautilus wont start
[06:29] <Kakarotto> biezt: Yes.
[06:29] <adam_> Anyone here familiar with w3m?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anir: welcome to the GNU/Linux community :)
[06:30] <anir> thoreauputic: can virus attack linux?
[06:30] <Kakarotto> biezt: both your questions are Yes.. but you will have to learn some linux on the road :).. AND beware of which video card you do have, because ATI and Nvidia ones are not the easy you would like to get 'em working
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anir: no, not really
[06:30] <anir> thoreauputic: do i need a firewall??
[06:31] <thoreauputic> anir: it would be very hard to write a linux virus
[06:31] <Kakarotto> adam_: i don't like it.. i preffer lynx
[06:31] <thoreauputic> anir: yes, you need a firewall
[06:31] <HcE> anir: you could use a firewall to block out connections you don't want to your computer
[06:31] <adam_> lynx will not install
[06:31] <anir> okay i will download  it
[06:31] <Kakarotto> adam_: but anyway.. if you are having troubles with lynx then let me send you the nvidia installer via IRC
[06:31] <adam_> package not available
[06:31] <siulca> hi eveybody I just finished installing Ubuntu :D
[06:32] <vinic_> congratulations
[06:32] <HcE> adam_: use wget?
[06:32] <anir> is there a firewall with ubuntu?? i got one with fedoracore10.0
[06:32] <adam_> ok whats the path?
[06:32] <Kakarotto> adam_: sure.. the default ubutun source list sucks.. (that MUST BE FIXED in the next release!! if someone is reading this, please!!)
[06:32] <siulca> thanks :)
[06:32] <Kakarotto> please add more sources to apt-setup damn it!
[06:32] <siulca> can I mount NTFS partitions in Ubuntu?
[06:32] <anir> siulca: welcome
[06:32] <HcE> siulca: yes
[06:32] <anir> yes u can
[06:32] <adam_> I need the amd64 nvidia driver
[06:33] <YorHel> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /dir :)
[06:33] <siulca> would you mind telling me how?
[06:33] <Kakarotto> adam_: i will send it to you
[06:33] <JDahl> siulca, only for reading
[06:33] <adam_> ok thanks
[06:33] <Kakarotto> just a minute
[06:33] <siulca> yeah I only need to read my music and films :D
[06:33] <siulca> can set it up so that my NTFS partitions are mounted on boot?
[06:34] <JDahl> siulca, yes.. use "auto" in fstab
[06:34] <adam_> Yeah thats kind of messed up to not have a good list on an install
[06:34] <Kakarotto> adam_: type "wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/1.0-6629/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6629-pkg2.run"
[06:34] <adam_> Also, how come Ubuntu uses xfree not xorg?
[06:34] <adam_> how do i copy that from irssi?
[06:34] <Kakarotto> you should have "wget" package installed because it comes with ubuntu by default
[06:34] <gwildor> hoary uses xorg
[06:34] <siulca> JDahl: right, where can I find fstab?
[06:34] <adam_> is hoary out tyet?
[06:34] <Kakarotto> no man.. do it from the console.. don't use any software like irssi
[06:34] <thoreauputic> siulca: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=windows%20mount%20on%20boot
[06:35] <gwildor> adam_, you can upgrade to it.....
[06:35] <Kakarotto> adam_: those are the Nvidia "AMD64" video drivers
[06:35] <adam_> what is command to do that?  maybe that will fix my problem
[06:35] <Kakarotto> damn i have just told you
[06:35] <Kakarotto> "wget "
[06:35] <biezt> is a 1.3 ghz amd 32 or 64 ?
[06:35] <adam_> no i meant that towards gwildor kak
[06:35] <thoreauputic> siulca: the search function on ubuntulinux.org is quite good :)
[06:35] <Kakarotto> type "wget URL" where URL is the url i just gave you
[06:36] <Kakarotto> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/1.0-6629/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6629-pkg2.run
[06:36] <gwildor> biezt, 32.....unless it says 64 in the name....
[06:36] <YorHel> biezt: I guess it's 32...
[06:36] <siulca> THANKS thoreauputic, that's all i should need :p
[06:36] <adam_> the wget command you sent is off the screen now, not sure how i scroll in irssi
[06:36] <Kakarotto> amd64 begins with 2.0ghz
[06:36] <gwildor> adam_, you change your sources.......from warty to hoary
[06:36] <Kakarotto> and i tell you.. if it says "1300+" it isn't really 1.3ghz, and it isn't even a barton architecture
[06:36] <adam_> change my sources and apt-get upgrade and it will fully upgrade my system?
[06:36] <maswan> Kakarotto: Actually, 1.4GHz
[06:37] <Kakarotto> maswan: sure?
[06:37] <maswan> Kakarotto: Yes, I have one.
[06:37] <maswan> Kakarotto: Only opterons that low clocked though, I think. And they are EOLed by now.
[06:37] <Kakarotto> oh ok i was confused
[06:37] <ozzie> hello. i need some help with ubuntu linux could somebody help me
[06:37] <biezt> which version should i down of ubuntu ?
[06:37] <gwildor> adam_, apt-get update......apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <thoreauputic> ozzie: just ask :-)
[06:38] <Kakarotto> download the latest stable
[06:38] <gwildor> isnt there only 1 version atm?
[06:38] <adam_> those commands did nothing
[06:38] <Kakarotto> adam_
[06:38] <adam_> "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:38] <gwildor> adam_, you do that AFTER you change your sourcees
[06:38] <ozzie> i need to know how to run wine. i ran package manager and installed wine but how to i get it to run in command line ?
[06:38] <adam_> where and how do i change my sources?
[06:38] <Kakarotto> stop chit-chatting.. do what i told you a lot of time ago
[06:38] <Kakarotto> adam_ !
[06:38] <llun_ved> has anyone here had issues with USB 25MB key drives in Ubuntu?
[06:38] <llun_ved> 256
[06:38] <adam_> I told you, that is off the screen and i dont know howto scroll in irssi, im stuck in text mode remember
[06:39] <Kakarotto> you can do all the rest from X.. but now yo MUST put all your energies in making X work
[06:39] <Fator_Dee> adam_: PageUp and PageDown
[06:39] <thoreauputic> adam_: page up I believe :)
[06:39] <adam_> o_O  doh!
[06:39] <ozzie> do you know how to run or install wine ?
[06:40] <gwildor> biezt, what kinda computer you got.....prob a 386...then get this < warty-release-install-i386.iso>
[06:40] <Kakarotto> adam_: get out from irssi and get the file with "wget"
[06:40] <Kakarotto> gwildor: what's the difference?
[06:40] <gwildor> Kakarotto, difference of?
[06:40] <llun_ved> hello?
[06:40] <Kakarotto> llun_ved: yes?
[06:41] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[06:41] <Kakarotto> gwildor: of 386 and 686 architectures
[06:41] <llun_ved> just checking
[06:41] <Kakarotto> hi JayeAeotiv, ask
[06:41] <anir> BYE GUYS
[06:41] <anir> TAKE CARE..
[06:41] <Kakarotto> you too
[06:41] <ozzie> i need help to install wine. could somebody help me please ?
[06:41] <anir> THANK YOU ALL FOR UR HELP
[06:41] <Kakarotto> have a happy new year
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: 686  for pentium II and above, I think
[06:41] <gwildor> Kakarotto, there is no 686 iso for ubuntu.......so one must assume he needs the 386 iso
[06:41] <anir> HAPPY NEW YEAR
[06:41] <siulca> I updated my FSTAB. can I reload it without rebooting the pc?
[06:42] <Kakarotto> siulca: do mount -a
[06:42] <llun_ved> bbiab
[06:42] <thoreauputic> anir: and to you  :)
[06:42] <anir> ozzie: go to synaptic
[06:42] <gwildor> Kakarotto, there is also 64bit and ppc, i nneded to kno what kinda computer he has....
[06:42] <siulca> Kakarotto: thanks
[06:42] <anir> thoreauputic: special thank to u. :)
[06:42] <ozzie> yes? now what
[06:42] <thoreauputic> anir:  you're welcome :)
[06:43] <anir> search for wine
[06:43] <Kakarotto> gwildor: ppc = mac?
[06:43] <anir> and install it
[06:43] <ozzie> ok did that
[06:43] <gwildor> Kakarotto, yes
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: more or less, yes
[06:43] <adam_> installation failed, no cc found, check path
[06:43] <ozzie> i installed the package manager now how do i get it to run
[06:43] <adam_> yep gcc isnt installed
[06:43] <Kakarotto> what is the difference within apt and wajig?
[06:43] <JayeAeotiv> I really need to get back to work.
[06:43] <gwildor> Kakarotto, Power pc  ........dats what they call there CPU's.....
[06:43] <anir> ozzie: in the run application menu type wine
[06:43] <ozzie> i installed the package manager for wine now how do i get it to run anir
[06:44] <thoreauputic> adam_:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:44] <JayeAeotiv> And I put windows on my other partition but it overwrote grub's thing.
[06:44] <ozzie> thanks alot
[06:44] <JayeAeotiv> So now... I can't get back into ubuntu
[06:44] <anir> ozzie: click on run application.. and write wine and run it
[06:44] <Kakarotto> gwildor: mac calls pc their cpu?
[06:44] <naim> hi, how do i rename a user ??
[06:44] <anir> ozzie : u r welcome
[06:44] <Kakarotto> adam_
[06:44] <Kakarotto> listen to me because you are taking me off my nervs
[06:44] <adam_> install failed again, no kernel source tree
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: Power PC I think
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: hence PPC
[06:45] <gwildor> Kakarotto, macs have PPC CPU's, where PC's have "pentium compatable", i guess
[06:45] <adam_> you know what, i selected no to dload from internet on install
[06:45] <siulca> I get a mount point does not exist error :(
[06:45] <Kakarotto> thoreauputic: in what way can you install a linux distro on a mac computer?
[06:45] <adam_> maybe i should reinstall
[06:45] <Kakarotto> siulca: have you checked out your fstab?
[06:45] <naim> i renamed using users-admin .. and renamed  the home directory to the new user's
[06:45] <gwildor> Kakarotto, umm.....you can install just like you would on a PC....just the process is a bit different
[06:46] <Kakarotto> siulca: may be there's a misstype or a wrong path
[06:46] <naim> but gdm does not log me in
[06:46] <vincent__> hi. I did a synaptic update of my packages, and since, nautilus doesnt launch anymore....... please help!
[06:46] <siulca> yes, I'm sure it's right.
[06:46] <thoreauputic> siulca: you probably need to create the mount point directory - the howto should say how
[06:46] <naim> i also did chown -R
[06:46] <adam_> I am going to have a heart attack if I ever get a Ubuntu system up and running with x  :D
[06:46] <Kakarotto> naim: delete it with userdel
[06:46] <Kakarotto> naim: then recreate it
[06:47] <JayeAeotiv> I'm going to have a heart attack if I don't reach my deadline
[06:47] <Kakarotto> and make sure you make a backup of the home dir (including the .bash_history and everything)
[06:47] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv: what are you doing?
[06:47] <naim> Kakarotto can i copy the old user's ~ directory ??
[06:47] <ozzie> ok i think i got that to run anir now do i just install stuff like normal to get them to work that is windows format ?
[06:47] <adam_> brb
[06:47] <naim> Kakarotto ok
[06:48] <gwildor> ozzie, i think you do like                wine whatever.exe
[06:48] <JayeAeotiv> I'm working on a reservation system in PHP for work.  But my real problem is I can't find any software on ubuntu to do my work.  And windows overwrote the MBR.  So I can't get back into ubuntu anyway.
[06:48] <siulca> oops, I created a mount directory, now I get the error: special device /dev/hdc3 does not exist
[06:48] <gwildor> JayeAeotiv, you can re-install grub with knoppix or something.....arch even
[06:48] <ozzie> ok gwildor. i will try that now
[06:48] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: what do you need?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> siulca: and does it ?
[06:49] <Kakarotto> naim: of course you can.. so assuming it is "/home/user" just move it out with "mv /home/user /tmp" and then "userdel user ; adduser doggy" assuming the new username will be "doggy", then move in the content of the old directory with "mv /tmp/user/* /home/doggy"
[06:49] <JayeAeotiv> gwildor, I tried that but it's not workn
[06:49] <gwildor> JayeAeotiv, idk then
[06:49] <JayeAeotiv> idk?
[06:49] <gwildor> i dont know
[06:50] <JayeAeotiv> vegai, I need to get grub back.  Or get into ubuntu somehow.
[06:50] <vegai> better get into ubuntu ;)
[06:50] <vegai> I meant what do you need for working
[06:50] <gwildor> lol
[06:50] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv : unfortunately, linux distros such like ubuntu use grub in their installer cd
[06:51] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: boot with the ubuntu cd, change to 2nd vt
[06:51] <mob_> someone here uses Hoary?, i have a problem with nautilus :(
[06:51] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: chroot into your ubuntu install and rerun grub
[06:51] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv : what I do when i have problems with the booter, is use an old distro CD (such like Slackware 7 or someone else that uses LILO as the installation booter)
[06:51] <siulca> thoreauputic: I think so but I'm not sure... still getting used to the hda1 format!
[06:51] <vincent__> mob_ : it doesn't launch?
[06:51] <JayeAeotiv> I don't need anything... but I believe I can get cvs in linux easier than I can track one down in windows.
[06:52] <siulca> thoreauputic: hda is primary master right?
[06:52] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv: so I boot my own system with the instructions that the same cd comes with
[06:52] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: you will probably need to answer the installer's first couple of questions, so it will configure IDE et al
[06:52] <JayeAeotiv> I picked the wrong week to do this.
[06:52] <thoreauputic> siulca: normally /dev/hda1 would be windows and hdc something would be a CD-Rom or similar, unless you have multiple hard drives
[06:52] <siulca> thoreauputic: so if I want the third partition of my secondary master would be hdc3?
[06:53] <Kakarotto> thoreauputic: you're wrong.. "hdc" cant be a cdrom because "hd" means for HARD DRIVE
[06:53] <siulca> thoreauputic: I have two hd, one as primary master and a second as secondary master
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I just found a windows cvs... I'll fix this later.
[06:53] <vegai> thoreauputic: hehe ;)
[06:53] <vegai> I mean...
[06:53] <vegai> Kakarotto: hehe ;)
[06:54] <siulca> vegai: hehe ;)
[06:54] <vegai> siulca: hehe
[06:54] <thoreauputic> siulca: frankly I'm not sure about that as I have only a little knowledge of master/slave terminology, but I think a second hard drive is usually /dev/hdb
[06:54] <siulca> everybody: hehehe
[06:54] <vegai> hd[abcd]  is primary master/slave, secondary master/slave respectively. It might be a HD or a dvd-drive
[06:54] <vegai> or whatever you attach on IDE ;)
[06:54] <stvn> siulca: master on first controller is hda,slave is hdb, master on 2nd controller is hdc, slave is hdd
[06:55] <ozzie> gwildor i got a failure status of 1. how do i fix this
[06:55] <Kakarotto> myself: hehehehehe
[06:55] <gwildor> ozzie, idk...never used wine before
[06:55] <Kakarotto> oh yeah
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: umm...  sorry but my cdrw is /dev/hdc
[06:55] <siulca> thanks stvn that cleared it... in that case I want hdc partition 3
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: and my CDROM is /dev/hdd
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: so...
[06:56] <sr> hi
[06:56] <Kakarotto> and mine is /dev/hdb
[06:56] <Kakarotto> :$
[06:56] <mob_> vincent__, it does, i just can't add launchers and i  can't open applications:/// :(
[06:56] <sr> anyone know how to use the good old http://localhost:631/ to configure printers ? the gui assistant is so bad that I can't use it.
[06:57] <sr> it's written Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[06:58] <sr> I just want to add a smb windows remote printer
[06:58] <siulca> how can I see all the partitions in my hard drives?
[06:58] <julll> re ben j'ai toujours le meme probleme
[06:58] <julll> comment je peut faire pour installer xbase client
[06:59] <julll> je me rapelle sur mandrake ya un truc qui s'apelle drackonf
[06:59] <thoreauputic> siulca: sudo fdisk -l
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> julll: english please...
[07:00] <siulca> thanks
[07:00] <thoreauputic> siulca: for instance, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda  and so on
[07:00] <lerio> hi! i have 2 problems with gdesklets. installing gmail sensor and configuring lt weather. could someone help me please?
[07:01] <siulca> can see them now... it's weird cause I have hdc 1,2,5,6,7 - 3 and 4 are missing!!
[07:01] <thoreauputic> siulca: normal - the hda5 is the first part of the extended partition
[07:02] <kvm> hi guys
[07:02] <kvm> reading me?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> siulca: you can only have 4 primary partitions
[07:02] <siulca> alright that explains why I couldn;t mount hdc3 doh!
[07:02] <lerio> don't run away please!! any guide?
[07:03] <siulca> it's done and mounted  now, many thanks for all the help.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> siulca:  :)
[07:03] <phyberoptix> hello
[07:04] <siulca> thank god there's a Ubuntu channel full of friendly helpfull people, otherwise I think I would have given up on Linux a long time ago :D
[07:04] <siulca> got to go now, many thanks everybody and HAPPY NEW YEAR :)
[07:04] <biezt> is ubuntu installed with kde desktop ?
[07:04] <phyberoptix> gnome
[07:04] <phyberoptix> it says there is already an xserver runnin gon Display :0. Should I try another display number? If you answer no, I will attempt to start the server on :0 again. (You can change consoles by pressing Cntrl+ALT plus a function key, such as Cntrl+Alt+f7 to goto console 7. X Servers usually run on consoles higher than 7.
[07:04] <Riddell> biezt: not by default but you can install KDE
[07:04] <thoreauputic> siulca: there's a nice feeling in this channel - I guess that's what Ubuntu is supposed to mean :)
[07:05] <phyberoptix> i type alt+backspace to reset X but didnt werk
[07:05] <siulca> indead thoreauputic... (btw have you considered changing nickname to something simpler? thoreauputic is a pain to type :p)
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> ctrl+alt+bckspc
[07:05] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: are you trying to run gnome as root?
[07:06] <Rocha> Hello
[07:06] <phyberoptix> i updated to hoary
[07:06] <siulca> ola :)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> siulca: heh - use thore <tab>
[07:06] <Rocha> Do you know the name of the package that has the midi plugin for firefox?
[07:06] <phyberoptix> i woke up this morning like this
[07:06] <siulca> bye for  nwo
[07:06] <thoreauputic> siulca: it should complete automatically
[07:07] <phyberoptix> well is it trying 2 run xwindows twice
[07:07] <siulca> thoreauputic, genius once again!
[07:07] <thoreauputic> siulca: thank the IRC programmers ;)
[07:07] <lerio> can someone tell me where to find info on installing/configuring gdesklets on ubuntu?
[07:07] <siulca> thoreauputic, yeah
[07:08] <siulca> thoreauputic, now I really gtg... BYE!
[07:08] <thoreauputic> siulca: see you round :)
[07:08] <phyberoptix> thoreauputic is there a standalone install for hoary
[07:09] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: not as far as I know - but I'm no authority
[07:09] <phyberoptix> =\
[07:09] <Prasatko> i tryed to install xwindows but i made some mistakes, when i login (in graphics) no windows are shown. Only background and mouse. How do I switch back to text mode? or how do I login in text mode?
[07:09] <vincent__> hi. I did a synaptic update of my packages, and since, nautilus doesnt launch anymore....... please help!
[07:09] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: maybe for developers - google might know?
[07:10] <phyberoptix> im just donna get fedora =\
[07:10] <phyberoptix> *gonna
[07:10] <thoreauputic> vincent__: this is Hoary, right?
[07:10] <vincent__> thoreauptic : no
[07:10] <vincent__> thoreauptic : warty
[07:10] <gwildor> hmmm
[07:11] <thoreauputic> vincent__: hmm :(
[07:11] <gwildor> any foriegn repos?
[07:11] <gwildor> errr...non-ubuntu repos?
[07:11] <vincent__> yeh I did check all... :/
[07:12] <gwildor> thats ok...those are all ubuntu repos
[07:12] <gwildor> hmmm
[07:12] <gwildor> you shoulda onlt got security updates.....
[07:12] <gwildor> s/onlt/only
[07:12] <vincent__> yeh, but I needed other repos'softs
[07:13] <vincent__> and forgot to uncheck before upadting
[07:13] <gwildor> oh......
[07:13] <gwildor> what repos
[07:13] <vincent__> universe...
[07:13] <vincent__> i guess
[07:13] <vincent__> as I checked all
[07:13] <gwildor> thoreauputic, is updating with universe a problem???.....
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> does "nautulis --check" give any info
[07:14] <gwildor> i dont think that having warty universe and multiverse matters
[07:14] <thoreauputic> gwildor: shouldn't be
[07:14] <gwildor> thoreauputic, thats what i thought
[07:14] <vincent__> that's a good point! :)
[07:14] <gwildor> thoreauputic, ive never used warty, so idk
[07:15] <gwildor> nor do i use nautilus
[07:15] <biezt> does ubunto auto detect stuff like a lan/internet connection ?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> neither do I - I use rox filer in fact
[07:15] <gwildor> me too....with flux
[07:16] <gwildor> biezt, it did for me...ar you direct to your modem?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> gwildor: same here :)
[07:16] <biezt> no with hub
[07:16] <gwildor> thoreauputic, lol.....
[07:16] <gwildor> biezt, it should......should
[07:16] <thoreauputic> gwildor: great minds... hehe ;)
[07:16] <gwildor> lol
[07:16] <vincent__> another minor thing is that my wallpaper disapeared
[07:16] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i "heard" that the new version will use nautilus.....
[07:16] <biezt> i'm gonna use linux for a server, but i know @#%$ about it so i wanna start with a user friendly version :P
[07:17] <gwildor> vincent__, wallpaper is controlled my nautilus
[07:17] <vincent__> that's why...
[07:17] <gwildor> lol
[07:17] <vincent__> ok
[07:17] <vincent__> :)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> biezt: If you know @#%$ about it I doubt that you should run a server :)
[07:17] <gwildor> try to re-intall nautilus
[07:17] <gwildor> vincent__,
[07:18] <phyberoptix> well shit
[07:18] <gwildor> ?
[07:18] <phyberoptix> i guess i will uninstall ubuntu
[07:18] <gwildor> lol...go for it :)
[07:18] <vincent__> hehe, worth a try!
[07:18] <ubik> hi guys
[07:18] <vincent__> ;)
[07:18] <phyberoptix> well
[07:18] <biezt> it's 2 learn how to run a server :O
[07:18] <ubik> need apt-get help here
[07:18] <biezt> just an eggdrop :P
[07:18] <gwildor> ubik, shoot
[07:18] <Ne0n> When will UBUNTU make an boot disk and a Net-Install options for us who have PCMCIA NICs :)
[07:18] <biezt> and maybe a ftp P
[07:19] <phyberoptix> i got to console by hitting Alt Cntl F6
[07:19] <thoreauputic> biezt: if you really want to learn, dive in and install Slackware without X :)
[07:19] <gwildor> Ne0n, i suggest asking that on the list......
[07:19] <gwildor> thoreauputic, dont scare the kid
[07:20] <thoreauputic> gwildor: hehe
[07:20] <gwildor> biezt, id say ubuntu is a good start, easy to get going and play with
[07:20] <ubik> gwildor, 10x. see, i am using a pppoe connection on LAN, yet for updating through apt-get i have set up a proxy on my work machine/running ubuntu:)/ how do i tell apt-get to use that proxy for connecting kto the repositories?
[07:20] <Dekkard> just a note.. there is a script called fbsetbg that you can use for changing backgrounds under flux..blackbox..openbox..wmaker et al
[07:20] <vincent__> gwildor : reinstalling did nothing better
[07:20] <gwildor> ubik, lol, i have no idea..........
[07:21] <thoreauputic> gwildor: my point about installing servers was really, there are some security issues worth learning first
[07:21] <gwildor> vincent__, did you purge?...do complete removal from synaptic
[07:21] <vincent__> no
[07:21] <vincent__> I'll try
[07:22] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i see your point......but he jsut wants to learn a bit aobut servers, slack would prob scare the linux out of him, i know it would me.....
[07:22] <gwildor> thoreauputic, lol, i guess security will come when he gets hacked....lol
[07:23] <ubik> gwildor, now i found a howto for modifying the apt.conf to do so, yet there is no apt.conf in ubuntu:(
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: yes, unfortunately in Gnome fbsetbg doesn't set a background because nautilus insists on handling the desktop unless you launch it with ` nautilus --no-desktop` or something like that
[07:23] <gwildor> ubik, above me..... thoreauputic, you have any idea
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: nice script for the other wm though
[07:24] <Dekkard> sorry.. i thought you were discussing losing bakcground under fluxbox..
[07:24] <gwildor> tis ok.....its a gnome/nautilus issue
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: hard to do in fluxbox since you pretty much tell it where to find it yourself :)
[07:24] <gwildor> lol
[07:25] <Dekkard> could it be that you need to readd you wallpapers to the  choose background dialogue?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> so you tend to know where your towel is in fluxbox (hitch-hikers guide and all that ..)
[07:26] <gwildor> Dekkard, he is having major nautilus issues, but was concerned with his missing BG....i was just letting him know that nautilus controls the BG
[07:26] <Dekkard> everything is pretty much manual
[07:26] <tiago> hi there, I'm trying to execute make in a source but it can't find some libraries like signal.h, string.h, etc. I did install the kernel headers, which other package have I to install?
[07:26] <vincent__> gwildor : removing nautilus will require ubuntu-desktop to be removed too. Is it possible then?
[07:26] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah....
[07:26] <tsw> Is there some way to see which user is behind some connection with netstat?
[07:26] <vincent__> well, let's go
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: "in Soviet Russia, your background controls YOU!" (  /.)
[07:26] <gwildor> vincent__, ubuntu-desktop is ok to get rid of.....but you can jsut re-install it if you want...
[07:27] <Dekkard> Da?
[07:27] <tiago> gwildor, could you help-me?
[07:27] <gwildor> tiago, no idea....sorry
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Nyet!
[07:27] <JDahl> thoreauputic, I thought they moved on to "In Japan only old people use backgrounds"
[07:27] <tiago> gwildor, np thx
[07:27] <vincent__> gwildor , ok then, givin a try
[07:27] <gwildor> vincent__, kk...good luck
[07:27] <Dekkard> is thoreauputic  russki?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> JDahl: nah,, that's in KOrea!
[07:28] <JDahl> right..
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: MAte, I'm an OZ!
[07:28] <gwildor> OZ?
[07:28] <Dekkard> oh..ok.. no worries
[07:28] <thoreauputic> gwildor: .au
[07:28] <gwildor> kkj
[07:28] <gwildor> kk
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:28] <gwildor> <------stupid american
[07:29] <Dekkard> no I'M th estupid american
[07:29] <thoreauputic> gwildor: hey, my mother was American! Don't insult my mother!
[07:29] <gwildor> if you must
[07:29] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i am sorry......
[07:29] <thoreauputic> hahah
[07:29] <gwildor> lol
[07:30] <thoreauputic> or should I say...mwuhahaha
[07:30] <gwildor> god?
[07:30] <gwildor> rofl
[07:30] <linuxjones> tiago, did you install build-essential ?
[07:30] <K-otiK> how do you see how big a directory is from terminal?
[07:30] <JDahl> K-otiK, du -h .
[07:30] <tiago> humm, linuxjones nope, but I cant find it using apt-cache
[07:30] <thoreauputic> err... trusty sword, maybe...
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, ops
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, do apt-get update first
[07:31] <thoreauputic> no, rusty was right
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, I found it
[07:31] <gwildor> lol
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, :)
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, I'll go install, thx
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, GL
[07:31] <gwildor> vincent__, any luck?
[07:33] <vincent__> gwildor , hmmm, it seems like files are not REALLY purged
[07:33] <vincent__> so it's not REALLY re-installed
[07:33] <gwildor> vincent__, idk..... linuxjones?
[07:34] <gwildor> vincent__, did you do anything.....or just upgrade?
[07:34] <gwildor> any devs?
[07:34] <vincent__> just upgrade, I guess
[07:34] <vincent__> I do many things
[07:34] <gwildor> lol
[07:34] <vincent__> I just doesnt watch ubuntu! :)
[07:34] <gwildor> but warty should only get security upgrades, i dont see how that would break nautilus.....
[07:34] <Rocha> How can I listen to midis inside firefox?
[07:35] <tiago> linuxjones, have we build-essential on ubuntu install cd 4.10? Do you know?
[07:35] <drspin> I got a question... without using X-over Office is quicktime available?? more specifically a plugin for Firefox
[07:35] <vincent__> Rocha, try to install nautilus-media
[07:35] <Rocha> vincent__, ok, i'll try
[07:35] <gwildor> drspin, i think that the mplayer plugin plays quicktime......not 100% positive though
[07:36] <linuxjones> tiago, do you not have Internet access ?
[07:36] <linuxjones> tiago, it's probalby not on the cd
[07:36] <vincent__> gwildor, in synaptic, when I reinstall the nautilus and ubuntu-desktop packages, it says that they are already installed, althought I did just removed them...
[07:36] <vincent__> How can I really purge
[07:36] <vincent__> ?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> I think build-essential would be in universe
[07:37] <gwildor> vincent__, give me a sec, let me try
[07:37] <tiago> linuxjones, heh yes I do, but it's so bad :)
[07:37] <vincent__> ok
[07:37] <vincent__> thx
[07:37] <gwildor> nautilus
[07:37] <linuxjones> vincent apt-get remove --purge "packagename"
[07:37] <linuxjones> tiago, don't think it's on the cd so I think your out of luck :D
[07:37] <drspin> gwildor: do you know if the mozilla-plugin will automatically work with firefox or will I have to copy the plugin into the firefox plugins directory?
[07:38] <gwildor> drspin, umm, it just worked for me.....
[07:38] <vincent__> linuxjones, thx I'll try that
[07:38] <drspin> gwildor: perhaps it will do the same for me :)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> got to go - have fun all !
[07:38] <gwildor> drspin, hopefully :)
[07:38] <gwildor> thoreauputic, laters
[07:38] <Rocha> vincent__, still doesn't work.
[07:39] <Rocha> I have already installed timidity+ and mozplugger but it still doesn't work.
[07:39] <vincent__> gwildor, you mean it really redownload and install it?
[07:39] <gwildor> vincent__, synaptic removed it for me.....
[07:39] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah....
[07:39] <vincent__> and if you reinstall?
[07:40] <vincent__> the
[07:40] <vincent__> yeh*
[07:40] <gwildor> vincent__, let me re-install
[07:40] <phyberoptix> =(
[07:40] <gwildor> it happens
[07:40] <phyberoptix> after 2hrs of updates @ 60kbps
[07:40] <phyberoptix> =(
[07:40] <gwildor> ewwwwww
[07:40] <gwildor> sorry
[07:41] <phyberoptix> if i was on dialup i would really be pissed
[07:41] <gwildor> lol
[07:41] <gwildor> neaaarly are
[07:41] <phyberoptix> but dsl helps the pissery some
[07:41] <vincent__> it doesnt re download the packages, right?
[07:41] <drspin> This movie is going to KICK ASS!!! (quicktime trailer) http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/sin_city.html
[07:41] <gwildor> vincent__, nope.....you have to do apt-get clean first....then it will re-download
[07:41] <vincent__> ok
[07:41] <phyberoptix> gwildor u sayin im close to dialup?"
[07:41] <drspin> gwildor: it worked!
[07:42] <phyberoptix> dialup on downloads at 4kbps
[07:42] <gwildor> phyberoptix, eww....sorry, never had it..
[07:42] <phyberoptix> lol
[07:42] <phyberoptix> yeah its bad
[07:43] <gwildor> drspin, lol, i dont have the plugin atm......
[07:43] <phyberoptix> i had it 3 yrs ago
[07:43] <gwildor> phyberoptix, im sorry to hear that
[07:43] <phyberoptix> now im on 512dsl line
[07:43] <drspin> I did a full gentoo install on a 28.8 dialup conXion...
[07:43] <phyberoptix> i feel sry for you
[07:43] <drspin> that took about 4 days just to get X working...
[07:43] <gwildor> phyberoptix, i think ive used dialup maybe 2 mins total....
[07:43] <Rocha> drspin, how many years for downloading all software?
[07:43] <ColeT> Quick question: I switched this morning to using sawfish from metacity (thanks again ogra!) but have a new very minor problem.  Sawfish likes to start up it's own pager besides the gnome one.   I managed to really purge doin "apt-get clean" but reinstalling nautilus finally doesnt work
[07:51] <ogra> ColeT: cant you switch it off with that ?
[07:51] <phyberoptix> also if you want ebooks
[07:51] <vincent__> :/
[07:51] <phyberoptix> www.phyberotix.com/ebooks
[07:51] <gwildor> vincent__, run it past ogra......
[07:51] <vincent__> ?
[07:51] <phyberoptix> www.phyberoptix.com/ebooks
[07:51] <ColeT> ogra: I didn't see an option in there ... I'll look again though.
[07:51] <phyberoptix> there
[07:51] <ogra> gwildor: whats the prob ?
[07:51] <drspin> The image http://phynet.sytes.net/blunt.gif cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
[07:51] <ogra> hehe
[07:51] <phyberoptix> hrm
[07:51] <gwildor> ogra, his warty nautilus is broke after a upgrade
[07:51] <pmfp> "A comprehensive experiment to evaluate the effectiveness of more aggressive processor optimisations for all Ubuntu packages is planned after the Warty release." -- Ubuntu homepage
[07:51] <drspin> I think your server load was maxed there for a second
[07:51] <Frafraxy> ogra: where are the page for ati drivers?
[07:51] <drspin> ;)
[07:51] <pmfp> Have you done that yet?
[07:52] <MoNDaRiZ> K-otiK, try HTTrack (HTTrack is an offline browser utility, allowing you to download a World
[07:52] <MoNDaRiZ> Wide website from the Internet to a local directory)
[07:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:52] <Frafraxy> thanks a lot
[07:52] <ogra> gwildor: to hoary ?
[07:52] <vincent__> ogra, my nautilus is broken after an synaptic update
[07:52] <vincent__> warty
[07:52] <gwildor> ogra, nope, just warty upgrade
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: ah, ok....
[07:53] <phyberoptix> ok
[07:53] <MoNDaRiZ> but, this drivers are 3d aceleration via open GL, no ?
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: broken in which way ?
[07:53] <phyberoptix> this time
[07:53] <phyberoptix> how should i update
[07:53] <vincent__> doesnt launch
[07:53] <vincent__> ogra, I just reinstalled it with ubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: have you looked if there is already one thats stuck ?
[07:54] <ogra> vincent__: try: ps ax|grep nautils
[07:54] <vincent__> ogra, when I kill them all, one is re-appearing on his own one sec after
[07:54] <ogra> vincent__: do you have any nfs or samba mounts ?
[07:54] <gwildor> ogra, thank you......i couldnt help anymore
[07:55] <vincent__> ogra, no
[07:55] <ColeT> ogra: The sawfish-ui thing doesn't seem to have an option to turn the pager off.  Any other thoughts?  8)
[07:55] <Fator_Dee> vincent__: I had a similar problem a few days ago, did all kinds of magic tricks to get it working and in frustration rebooted, that worked :-|
[07:55] <vincent__> gwildor, thanks for help!
[07:55] <ogra> vincent__: hmm, i know this behavior only from stuck network mounts.....
[07:55] <gwildor> vincent__, i tried :)
[07:55] <ogra> vincent__: probably a stuck cdrom ?
[07:56] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah, try a restart.....
[07:56] <vincent__> Fator_Dee, I remember, I was there, but it does it from several boot
[07:56] <ogra> ColeT: dunno, i could only point you to google, last time i used sawfish was gnome 1.x
[07:56] <ColeT> ogra: *grin*  Thanks for the help anyway.  Do you use gnome?  If so, are you using metacity?
[07:57] <ogra> ColeT: sure, i use ubuntu default (with calendar ;) )
[07:57] <gwildor> ColeT, what is sawfish?
[07:57] <vincent__>  8316 ?        Ss     0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-2vbnXJ/ --sm-client-id 117f000001000110407914800000236580001 --screen 0
[07:57] <phyberoptix> anyone know pikewyn ?
[07:57] <phyberoptix> pikkewyn
[07:58] <ogra> vincent__: i'm pretty sure something in your filesystem is stuck.....normally a unmaount of the device/network mount with option -l helps here, but if you dont have any .....
[07:58] <ColeT> gwildor: It's just another window manager.  It's a lot more configurable than the default of metacity.  Metacity is nicer for new users and I think it has a smaller memory footprint, but I'm willing to trade.
[07:59] <gwildor> ColeT, oh...ok.....fluxing it up here
[08:00] <ColeT> Yeah - I played with flux for a while.  It seemed pretty nice too.  I like sawfish's method of doing keybindings a little better.  It's a little easier.
[08:00] <ogra> vincent__: we could start to randomly shoot processes or you do a reboot ....
[08:00] <abelli> well why not ion then?
[08:00] <ogra> abelli: lol
[08:01] <vincent__> ogra, I'm gonna try a reboot as I reinstalled
[08:01] <ogra> k
[08:01] <vincent__> If it doesnt solve, I'll be back! ;)
[08:01] <stianh> I am seeing some danish and swedish words in Ubuntu, this is a fresh install and I selected Norwegian during installation :O
[08:01] <vincent__> brb
[08:02] <ogra> stianh: sorry, known bug.... there might be some help in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <abelli> ogra: could you please suggest today's program-to-be-tried
[08:03] <ogra> abelli: ??
[08:03] <ogra>  today's program-to-be-tried ?
[08:03] <abelli> ogra: i want to install something..
[08:03] <ogra> ah, k
[08:03] <phyberoptix> how  can i just upgrade xchat
[08:04] <ogra> lemme think
[08:04] <phyberoptix> apt-get update
[08:04] <phyberoptix> apt-get install xchat
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ?
[08:04] <stianh> ogra: okey
[08:04] <abelli> phyberoptix: apt-get upgrade xchat?
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ahhh
[08:04] <phyberoptix> thanx
[08:04] <gwildor> phyberoptix, just do it from synaptic....
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ?
[08:04] <gwildor> mark for upgrade
[08:04] <ogra> phyberoptix: depends if there is a newer version (i doubt that)
[08:04] <phyberoptix> wtf is synaptic
[08:04] <ogra> phyberoptix: computer->system tools
[08:04] <gwildor> lol.......graphical front end for apt
[08:04] <stianh> phyberoptix, a gui frontend for apt-get
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: a packet manager
[08:05] <phyberoptix> warty uses 2.0.8 (Highly Exploitable)
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: front-end
[08:05] <ogra> phyberoptix: the fixes are in
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: well u can use irssi
[08:05] <phyberoptix> see i havent used nix since 2001
[08:05] <phyberoptix> everything changd so much
[08:05] <ogra> phyberoptix: security fixes get backported
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: u need to do a dist-upgrade
[08:06] <ogra> phyberoptix: safest is to use a drum to communicate....absolutely no security issues ;)
[08:06] <phyberoptix> ummm
[08:06] <phyberoptix> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:06] <phyberoptix> last nite
[08:06] <phyberoptix> and now im reinstalling
[08:06] <abelli> phyberoptix: why?
[08:07] <ogra> abelli: etherape
[08:07] <phyberoptix> cuz something fucked up while i was asleep
[08:07] <gwildor> lol
[08:07] <JDahl> I hate it when that happens
[08:07] <gwildor> yeah
[08:07] <phyberoptix> x was all fucked
[08:07] <gwildor> i cry whe x breaks
[08:08] <phyberoptix> lol
[08:08] <phyberoptix> well you woulda creid after updating for 2 hours and then it breaks
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: don't worry..
[08:08] <gwildor> yeah...
[08:08] <ogra> phyberoptix: somnambulist ?
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: enjoy the chakra's opening..
[08:08] <phyberoptix> hmmm
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: enjoy trying to fix it
[08:09] <ogra> hehe
[08:09] <drspin> does anyone know of an FXP like app for Linux?
[08:09] <phyberoptix> well my firnd pikkawyn told me to come here
[08:09] <phyberoptix> she uses this server
[08:09] <JDahl> phyberoptix, but whatever you do... for the love of God - dont go back to sleep; that's when bad things happen to your system
[08:09] <gwildor> rofl
[08:09] <ogra> hehe
[08:09] <vinic_> ogra, well, I'm back....
[08:09] <ogra> vinic_: and ?
[08:09] <phyberoptix> JDahl ... it was 3am
[08:10] <vinic_> :)
[08:10] <ogra> great :)
[08:10] <phyberoptix> i wuz really tired
[08:10] <vinic_> doesnt work
[08:10] <phyberoptix> i just want upgrade at 3am anywmore
[08:10] <ogra> weird
[08:10] <abelli> phyberoptix: well did you reinstall?
[08:10] <phyberoptix> yup
[08:10] <vinic_> ogra, you said it
[08:10] <JDahl> there might be potential for a bluck-buster Revenge of The Nerds meets Nightmare on Elmstreet here
[08:10] <phyberoptix> im updating during install
[08:10] <abelli> well.. when something with x breaks.. just come here..
[08:11] <abelli> daniels is kindly open to insults
[08:11] <JDahl> s/bluck/block/
[08:11] <phyberoptix> howabout i just sit here
[08:11] <ogra> vinic_: could you create another user and check if it happens there too ?
[08:11] <phyberoptix> im already on 3irc servers why not 4?
[08:11] <dax5_> hello
[08:11] <vinic_> ogra, yep
[08:11] <vinic_> gonna try
[08:11] <dax5_> i'm having a problem loading a module
[08:11] <ogra> yep
[08:11] <method55> is there a vnc program included with ubuntu?
[08:11] <method55> vnc viewer
[08:12] <dax5_> yes
[08:12] <method55> where is it located/ what is it called
[08:12] <dax5_> vncviewer
[08:12] <method55> okay
[08:12] <ogra> method55: Computer->Desktop Settings (server) Applications-> Internet ->Terminal Server Cilent
[08:13] <Frafraxy> hi
[08:13] <ogra> method55: ahh, sorry, Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop that is....
[08:13] <Frafraxy> i've installed tuxracer
[08:13] <dax5_> what could be the reason the option io=0x300 to ne module is not used?
[08:13] <vinic_> and it always take a while to shutdown....
[08:13] <Frafraxy> but i don't know how to run it
[08:14] <dax5_> I mean it is in modules.conf created with modutils
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: how do you specify it ?
[08:14] <gwildor> tuxracer from command
[08:14] <dax5_> but it always acts like it wasn't
[08:14] <spikeb> tuxracer doesnt work for me
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: doesnt work...unless you downgraded to 2.4
[08:14] <drspin> "tuxracer &"
[08:14] <soumyadip> hi, I'm primarily using my dialup to access the internet, but my motherboard has an inbuilt LAN card
[08:14] <drspin> is what I use
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: add the module to /etc/modules....
[08:14] <spikeb> i just assumed it was broken
[08:14] <soumyadip> how do I make ppp the default interface
[08:15] <dax5_> ogra it is there and a file at /etc/modutils
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: like that: ne io=0x300
[08:15] <dax5_> options ne io=0x300
[08:15] <K-otiK> what prog can i use to download everything froma website directory?
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: nope, ignore that file
[08:15] <spikeb> wget
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: it does nothing
[08:15] <method55> thank you
[08:15] <dax5_> ok,
[08:15] <soumyadip> e.g. till now I was getting around 3 KB/s but on doing ifdown eth0 i've started getting 7 KB/s
[08:15] <dax5_> has that modutils being removed from ubuntu???
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: like i said above, /etc/modules
[08:16] <ogra> dax5_: it is for 2.4 kernels
[08:16] <Frafraxy> see in #flood
[08:16] <dax5_> ah
[08:16] <ogra> dax5_: ubuntu uses 2.6
[08:16] <dax5_> thx ogra
[08:16] <ubuntu> so I'm having trouble configuring my wireless card
[08:16] <Frafraxy> i run tuxracer
[08:17] <Frafraxy> but the images are not clean
[08:17] <dax5_> bye, rebooting...
[08:17] <seymour> hi. how can i stop undesired services in ubuntu? is there an utility to do that?
[08:17] <drspin> Fra: did you install the correct drivers for your video card?
[08:18] <ogra> seymour: remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[08:18] <Frafraxy> i've done that was written in the wiki page of ubuntu
[08:19] <drspin> for you Nvidia or ATI card?
[08:19] <ogra> Frafraxy: what framrate does glxgears show ?
[08:20] <Frafraxy> 9415 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1883.000 FPS
[08:20] <ogra> Frafraxy: thats quite ok
[08:20] <JDahl> seymour, if you dont want to stop it permanently you can do /etc/init.d/<service> stop... many of of them can also be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure to avoid starting at boot. That's better than removing links (whenever possible)
[08:20] <abelli> ogra: do you remember what "fogo na bomba" means?
[08:21] <anir> hey guys
[08:21] <ogra> JDahl: ah, yay, thats a good one...(i was already waiting for the update-rc.d debate)
[08:21] <seymour> what's the default opened 708 port for? :D
[08:21] <ogra> abelli: nope
[08:21] <anir> using which application i will open my "executable" files??
[08:21] <ogra> seymour: fam ?
[08:21] <seymour> ogra, hi. do i need it?
[08:21] <seymour> ogra, what's it for?
[08:21] <anir> ogra: using which application i will open my "executable" files??
[08:22] <ogra> seymour: but it should be only open to localhost....
[08:22] <ogra> anir: /bin/bash ?
[08:22] <Frafraxy> bzflag work very good
[08:22] <anir> orga: ??
[08:23] <scizzo> anir: what kind of files?
[08:23] <ogra> seymour: fam cares for changed fiels in dirs, it shows if a file is created or removed to the filemanager....without it you would have to reload the windw to see changes
[08:23] <seymour> the ubuntu gnome is compiled so well. the whole system only eats 80 ram, when nothing's used
[08:23] <anir> ogra: for example i have this "clock-applet" which is a "executable file".. now how will i open it?
[08:23] <spikeb> nice seymour
[08:23] <vinic_> ogra, we're getting closer! Nautilus works with new user
[08:23] <vinic_> arf
[08:24] <seymour> spikeb, you're telling me. on the unstable debian, the system took 150 megs of ram in that state
[08:24] <ogra> anir: you just run it (either from a terminal or with the "run application" tool from the Apps menu)
[08:25] <spikeb> seymour, ew
[08:25] <ogra> vinic_: so your config is broken for the defaultuser obviously....did you eve run nautilus as root ?
[08:25] <vinic_> ogra, with sudo but not as root
[08:25] <vinic_> :)
[08:26] <ogra> vinic_: thats the sam....it breaks everything....
[08:26] <ogra> same
[08:26] <vinic_> dam it
[08:26] <vinic_> :/
[08:26] <anir> ogra: i tried to run 3dc it says "Details: There is no default action associated with this location."
[08:26] <ogra> anir: with the terminal ?
[08:27] <anir> how will i run there?? ogra
[08:27] <anir> ogra: the command??
[08:27] <ogra> anir: /path/to/the/file/you/want/to/run
[08:27] <ogra> anir: thats all
[08:27] <vinic_> ogra, so i need to delete Xauthority? right?
[08:28] <abelli> ciao a tutti im off
[08:28] <anir> ogra: as a root?
[08:28] <ogra> vinic_: nope...there are a big amount of hidden config and metafiles nautilus uses....
[08:28] <vinic_> dam it...
[08:28] <ogra> anir: nope
[08:28] <anir> ogra: yes its running..but how will i create a shortcut for it??
[08:29] <ogra> anir: right click in the menu or go to applications:// in anutilus....create a launcher
[08:29] <ogra> nautilus
[08:30] <anir> okay
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: you could start through with: sudo chown $USER ~/.nautilus
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: then: sudo chown $USER ~/.gconf*
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: then: sudo chown $USER ~/.gnome*
[08:31] <ogra> vinic_: if it still doesnt work i'm out of ideas.....i think only the nautilus devs know how many metafiles are used by nautilus
[08:31] <vinic_> not enough arguments
[08:32] <stianh> is monodevelop in universe under a different name/short?
[08:32] <spikeb> its not in universe
[08:32] <stianh> or there at all
[08:32] <stianh> ok
[08:32] <spikeb> there is a repo that has monoi
[08:32] <spikeb> let me find it
[08:32] <ogra> vinic_: works fine here...did you just copy n paste ?
[08:33] <vinic_> changing USER...
[08:33] <spikeb> stianh, add this to your sources.list deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[08:33] <ogra> vinic_: why?
[08:33] <ogra> vinic_: copy n paste should just work....
[08:34] <vinic_> ok
[08:34] <vinic_> :)
[08:34] <ogra> vinic_: ahh, stop...for recursive add a -R behind chown
[08:34] <vinic_> I thought USER was to changr
[08:34] <vinic_> oh
[08:34] <vinic_> ok
[08:34] <ogra> vinic_: nope, but its $USER
[08:34] <ogra> important
[08:34] <ogra> the $
[08:36] <drspin> how do I disconnect a user (and in turn kill all their spawned processes)
[08:36] <ogra> drspin: install slay
[08:36] <stianh> spikeb, thanks :)
[08:36] <whatnow> if I can see wireless networks using "iwlist wlan0 scan", is there a reason I'm having trouble using my wireless card?
[08:36] <drspin> ogra - thanks
[08:37] <whatnow> basically I used ndiswrapper to install the drivers for my linksys (wmp54gv4) card
[08:37] <whatnow> but the last two times I tried to add it, my system froze
[08:37] <whatnow> and I had to cold reboot
[08:37] <vinic_> ogra, it doesnt work, Thanks for help anyway ;)
[08:38] <ogra> vinic_: the hard way: sudo chown -R $USER /home/$USER
[08:38] <vladster> can anyone fill me in on what is the most stable video capture card supported from translating videos to disk?
[08:38] <stianh> spikeb, synaptic says getting headers from that repo failed :/
[08:39] <vinic_> ogra , :'(
[08:39] <drspin> vladster: stay away from ATI's lower end -- have them, used them, they suck
[08:39] <ogra> stianh: look for breakmyubuntu in the wiki, there is a description for the tsen repo
[08:39] <ogra> tseng
[08:40] <ogra> vinic_: ?
[08:40] <drspin> vladster: never used anything else though
[08:40] <Frafraxy> any screensavers don't work
[08:40] <vinic_> doesnt work neither
[08:40] <Frafraxy> ogra: what i must to do?
[08:40] <vladster> What about adaptec
[08:40] <ogra> vinic_: how ?
[08:41] <vinic_> still nothing
[08:41] <ogra> vinic_: logged out and in ? killed nautilus ?
[08:42] <vinic_> killed nautilus but didnt logged out
[08:42] <Frafraxy> now it goes so and so
[08:42] <vinic_> trying that
[08:42] <Frafraxy> it does a stange rumors
[08:42] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:43] <phyberoptix> o_o
[08:43] <Frafraxy> it does "cip-cip"
[08:43] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:43] <Frafraxy> help!!!
[08:44] <Frafraxy> oh...
[08:44] <Kakarotto> Hey
[08:44] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to import .reg files into the wine registry?
[08:45] <Frafraxy> 2063 frames in 5.0 seconds = 412.600 FPS
[08:45] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:45] <Frafraxy> i'm rebooting!
[08:46] <Setite> ?
[08:46] <Setite> fra
[08:46] <Setite> what are you talking about
[08:48] <drspin> kakarotto: http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/registry.html  <-might have the answer
[08:49] <drspin> kakarotto: perhaps some creative searching on google would be in order :)
[08:51] <mcgood>   /quit
[08:51] <vinic_> ogra, well, nothing works, I give up. I'll copy all my files to another user account
[08:52] <ogra> vinic_: you will have to add the user to all the groups the defaultuser is in
[08:53] <ogra> vinic_: and add him to the sudoers with the visudo command
[08:53] <vinic_> oh, sounds complicated
[08:53] <vinic_> :/
[08:53] <vinic_> :)
[08:54] <ogra> vinic_: the command groups shows your current groups
[08:54] <spikeb> ooh
[08:55] <spikeb> cedega plays WoW now
[08:55] <vinic_> ok
[08:55] <ogra> vinic_: sudo adduser <name of your new user> <new group>
[08:56] <zeR> Does anybody have an idea why i can't connect to the internet? I get "Protocol error layer 3" from pppd when i dial. (It's ISDN)
[08:56] <ogra> vinic_: replace the stuff in brackets with real values
[08:56] <vinic_> ok! ;)
[08:56] <stianh> how can I change to english languages, and keep norwegian keyboardlayout?
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Alrighty
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Here's the prob.
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Windows killed my MBR and grub.
[08:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sue bill gates !!
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> The ubuntu install cd wants me to setup partitions in order to get grub back on.
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> ubuntu's partitioner doesn't show a single partition.  Just the entire drive.
[08:58] <ogra> vinic_: for sudoers: export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo
[08:58] <JayeAeotiv> And Knoppix allows me to browse all 4 of my partitions.  Windows allows me to use 2.  The other two are for ubuntu.
[08:58] <JayeAeotiv> So I know they are there.
[08:58] <ogra> vinic_: change the username in there to the new user
[08:59] <JayeAeotiv> How can I get back into ubuntu?
[09:00] <october> moo
[09:00] <october> <-- occy
[09:00] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[09:00] <JayeAeotiv> Anyone have any clue?
[09:00] <october> anyone know how to setup DVD under ubuntu?
[09:00] <HcE> theres something in the wiki/faq about it I think
[09:01] <vinic_> ogra , What are those last instructions for?
[09:01] <october> ahh
[09:01] <ogra> vinic_: for sudo
[09:01] <october> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/  <-- go search here huh?
[09:01] <vinic_> ok
[09:01] <Fator_Dee> my dvd-drive worked out of the box
[09:01] <ogra> vinic_: if you delete your old default and add a new default you need the sudo capabilitys
[09:01] <vinic_> of course
[09:01] <october> Fator_Dee, yeah?  what did you use to play DVD's?
[09:02] <vinic_> ok
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: you can do it all in your current session
[09:02] <vinic_> yes, ok
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: then logout and login with the new user
[09:02] <october> ogra, howdy :)
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: then remove the old one
[09:02] <Fator_Dee> october: ogle, xine and mplayer
[09:03] <ogra> october: hi occy
[09:03] <vinic_> ok
[09:03] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, you know anything about my prob?
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: just wanted to start ;)
[09:03] <october> Fator_Dee, grabbing mplayer now
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you have a knoppix
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: boot with it
[09:03] <K-otiK> what prog can i use to download everything froma website directory?
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: mount your / (ubuntu)
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: go into a terminal
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: cd to the mounted ubuntu /
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: tell me if youre there
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> I'll reboot into knoppix
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> brb
[09:05] <ogra> k
[09:06] <will> i'm running ubuntu (warty) on a thinkpad r51 w/ ipw2200 centrino wireless; the integrated card is listed as working on the wiki, but I only see the wired ethernet card in the `sudo ifconfig -a` output.
[09:06] <will> i've modprobed ipw2200 manually (it's not loaded at boot), still nothing in ifconfig. any ideas?
[09:07] <stuNNed> which daemon controls power management like fan speeds?
[09:07] <HcE> will: look in /var/log/syslog after a new device
[09:07] <will> HcE, what am I looking for there? does ubuntu name the device wlan0? eth1?
[09:07] <HcE> will: it's up to the module I think, havn't used ipw2200
[09:07] <HcE> buth I would think wlan0 or eth1
[09:08] <will> HcE, gotcha -- I'll take a look. thanks!
[09:08] <HcE> will: just try ifconfig eth1 up
[09:08] <HcE> or ifconfig wlan0 up
[09:08] <vladster> so let me rephrase that what would be a solidly supported video capture card for linux
[09:09] <will> HcE, neither ifconfig wlan0|eth1 up work; just have a SIOCCS error
[09:09] <spikeb> the wintv cards are solidly supported
[09:10] <october> xine-ui I reckon is what I need
[09:11] <ogra> october: why not totem-xine ?
[09:11] <emanuelez> hello *
[09:12] <emanuelez> any easy way (apt?) to have a >2.6.9 kernel on my ubuntu box?
[09:13] <FallenHitokiri> where can I download the grub package from hoary?
[09:13] <Riddell> emanuelez: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-686
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> I think knoppix automatically mounts them.
[09:13] <emanuelez> riddell: any amd optimised version?
[09:13] <Riddell> FallenHitokiri: sudo apt-get install grub
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> not sure
[09:13] <aokaze> im so happy im so happy!!  I got my Ubuntu CDs!!
[09:13] <Riddell> emanuelez: sudo apt-cache search linux-image 2.6.9
[09:14] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: me neither, open a terminal, type: mount
[09:14] <Riddell> you don't need the sudo there
[09:14] <emanuelez> Riddell: u're right... shame on me
[09:14] <FallenHitokiri> Riddell: nope. I need the dep-package, because I have to set up an system without networkconnection
[09:14] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: archive.ubuntu.com , look in pool
[09:14] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, there's a line that says /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext2
[09:14] <vinic_> ogra, I cant exit from visudo....
[09:15] <ogra> vinic_: typos ?
[09:15] <Orcrist> hey, doing an install of the java JRE and it doesn't tell me where to put it... what's a good to untar and install to?
[09:15] <vinic_> ???
[09:15] <ogra> vinic_: you used it like i wrote ? with the export EDITOR=gedit in front ?
[09:15] <Orcrist> erm, a good directory
[09:15] <emanuelez> Riddell: mmm... only 2.6.8 in my apt-cache... do i miss any repository?
[09:15] <vinic_> oh no, ok
[09:16] <Riddell> emanuelez: you will need hoary
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: so you are in vi hehe
[09:16] <vinic_> but gedit crashes
[09:16] <vinic_> :/
[09:16] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: should I take grub or grub2 ? (there are 2 dirs)
[09:16] <vinic_> no fun! :)
[09:16] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: not sure
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: what did you do to your system ?
[09:16] <emanuelez> Riddell: i think i need to visit the wiki to get info about hoary
[09:16] <FallenHitokiri> i mean i just need it to use get a splashimage working
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: seems you broke a lot
[09:16] <vinic_> yep
[09:16] <vinic_> maybe
[09:17] <vinic_> I'm experiencing!
[09:17] <spikeb> speaking of hoary - how working is it right now?
[09:17] <ogra> vinic_: so you are still in the visudo ?
[09:17] <JayeAeotiv> Ogra.... ok I'm in the terminal and in the ubuntu's partiion.
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: at the highest level but in the partition ?
[09:18] <JayeAeotiv> man ogra... you should be an air traffic controller with all the action you get.
[09:18] <JayeAeotiv> yes... I can see bin, dev, home, boot, etc
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: type: chroot .
[09:18] <vinic_> yep
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: dont miss the .
[09:18] <ogra> vinic_: type: i
[09:18] <ogra> vinic_: then edit the username
[09:19] <JayeAeotiv> Operation not permitted
[09:19] <vinic_> I managed to do that
[09:19] <vinic_> but I cant exit
[09:19] <vinic_> :)
[09:19] <ogra> vinic_: hit <esc>, type :wq
[09:19] <ogra> vinic_: regard the colon before wq
[09:20] <vinic_> oh, syntax erroro
[09:20] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: hmm, does knoppix use sudo ? try: sudo chroot .
[09:20] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:20] <JayeAeotiv> I'm root@Knoppix:/ #
[09:20] <ogra> vinic_: then escape :q!
[09:20] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: so it worked ?
[09:21] <vinic_> :x rather
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: no errors
[09:21] <vinic_> without saving
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> yes, I'm the root.  no errors.
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> and dir shows me all of the files as if I were just on that partition and not on the livecd.
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: now just run: /sbin/grub-install
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: should recreate your grub setup
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> root@Knoppix:/ # /sbin/grub-install
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> install_device not specified.
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> /sbin/grub-install: line 59: cannot create temp file for here document: Read-only file system
[09:22] <ogra> argh....
[09:22] <emanuelez> lol... downloading 500+ Mb of dist-upgrade LOL
[09:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok, we have to start through, knoppix mounts them ro
[09:23] <vinic_> ogra, I left first user with sudo abilities, is it important I remove it?
[09:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: so leave the chroot with ctrl-d
[09:23] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:23] <ogra> vinic_: you just added the new one ?
[09:23] <JayeAeotiv> done
[09:23] <ogra> vinic_: and left the old ?
[09:23] <vinic_> yep
[09:24] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok, go a level higher....
[09:24] <vinic_> ogra : oh, and "sudo nautilus" works!
[09:24] <ogra> vinic_: not beautiful, but will work
[09:24] <JayeAeotiv> ok I'm in mnt
[09:24] <vinic_> ;)
[09:24] <ogra> vinic_: sure
[09:24] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1
[09:24] <vinic_> :)
[09:25] <ogra> vinic_: the configs are owned by root, remember ?
[09:25] <JayeAeotiv> only root can do that.
[09:25] <ogra> vinic_: so sudo nautilus must work... only the install for the user is borked
[09:25] <JayeAeotiv> If I right click the partition's icon on desktop
[09:25] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo ?
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> oh yeah
[09:26] <vinic_> ogra, I understand a thing. It did that shit first when I saved display before halting my computer
[09:26] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: nope, do it in terminal
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> k
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hda1 busy
[09:27] <vinic_> and I had a nautilus opened as root
[09:27] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: with the remount,rw ?
[09:27] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:27] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: probably:  mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> It says nothing after I type that
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> no error no success.
[09:28] <ogra> good
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[09:28] <ogra> nope
[09:28] <cenerentola> ogra: i've been asked how to use cups administrative tasks, and webmin
[09:28] <ogra> the opposite
[09:29] <ogra> abelli: i dont use webmin...and cups is just fine with the gnome-config tool
[09:29] <abelli> ogra: becuase they ask for root password
[09:29] <JayeAeotiv> ok ogra, what's next?
[09:29] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: no news are good news in linux ;)
[09:30] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: repeat the first steps....
[09:30] <abelli> ogra: what to do if i use cups in remote connection?
[09:30] <Orcrist> how does one install rpms cleanly in ubuntu?
[09:30] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: until you are in the chroot again
[09:30] <ogra> Orcrist: one doesnt
[09:30] <Orcrist> oh
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:31] <Orcrist> well I'm trying to figure out where to put the Java JRE
[09:31] <abelli> ogra: use "sudo alien -d"
[09:31] <ogra> Orcrist: wait
[09:31] <ogra> Orcrist: there is a ubuntu package
[09:31] <Orcrist> oh?
[09:31] <Orcrist> I didn't realize that
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> I'm in chroot
[09:31] <Orcrist> I thought java was closed/proprietary stuff
[09:31] <Orcrist> lemme search through synaptic... brb
[09:32] <Ribs> Blackdown is open source
[09:32] <Ribs> dunno if Ubuntu has it tho
[09:32] <ogra> Orcrist: not in synaptic.... see here: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[09:32] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: /sbin/grub-install
[09:32] <Orcrist> ty ogra
[09:32] <phyberoptix> im still reinstalling ubuntu
[09:33] <abelli> phyberoptix: why?
[09:33] <phyberoptix> why what?
[09:33] <ogra> abelli: never use alien if there is another way around, alien is weird, but good as last resort
[09:34] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: and ?
[09:35] <Riddell> Ribs: it's not open source or Free Software
[09:35] <Ribs> Blackdown isn't?
[09:35] <Ribs> hrm
[09:35] <Ribs> thought it was
[09:35] <vinic_> ogra, IT WORKS AGAIN!
[09:35] <ogra> vinic_: :)
[09:35] <Riddell> Ribs: they're kept under a very restrictive licence by sun
[09:35] <Ribs> oh
[09:35] <Ribs> sucky
[09:36] <ogra> Ribs: looks like we have to hope on a free clone
[09:36] <ogra> Ribs: like sabre
[09:36] <JayeAeotiv> Where do I install it to?
[09:36] <JayeAeotiv> It's asking for option?
[09:36] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: huh ?
[09:36] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: wait
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> root@Knoppix:/ # /sbin/grub-install
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> install_device not specified.
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> Install GRUB on your drive.
[09:37] <whaaaaa> hey, I'm having trouble setting up my wireless card
[09:37] <whaaaaa> I have installed the drivers with ndiswrapper
[09:37] <vinic_> As I told you, I had saved configuration closing my session, but with a root Nautilus window opened. So I resaved a totally free configuration, rebooted, and nautilus is here again! ;)
[09:37] <whaaaaa> so I can use "iwlist wlan0 scan" to scan the networks, and it sees them fine
[09:37] <whaaaaa> I'm just wondering where to go from there
[09:37] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda
[09:38] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: should be better
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> it's trying to guess BIOS drives.
[09:38] <vinic_> ogra, many thanks... night all!
[09:38] <whaaaaa> should I use sudo ifup wlan0?
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> instillation finished
[09:39] <ogra> whaaaaa: use the network amanger app in the Computer menu
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> so now will I get into ubuntu?
[09:39] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: great.... reboot
[09:39] <drspin> it was instilled ;) LOL
[09:39] <whaaaaa> ok, what if it doesen't see wlan0 there?
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:40] <whaaaaa> ogre: (add, wireless, no wlan0 in wireless device)
[09:40] <ogra> whaaaaa: then set it up manually
[09:40] <whaaaaa> ogra: actually it just showerd up
[09:40] <whaaaaa> weird
[09:41] <ogra> whaaaaa: this app is a bit flaky, it will be replaced in hoary....
[09:41] <whaaaaa> ok, let me try that
[09:41] <whaaaaa> ogra: although last time that happened, my system froze.  should i be wary?
[09:41] <whaaaaa> and do other stuff before?
[09:43] <ogra> whaaaaa: if it sees your device it should work.... else, in the wiki in the ndiswrapper howto is a good example for a /etc/network/interfaces file
[09:43] <whaaaaa> right
[09:43] <whaaaaa> well here goes nothing
[09:43] <ogra> whaaaaa: then try the example
[09:45] <ogra> abelli: for webmin i think you have to enable root during the install, afterwards disable it again
[09:46] <abelli> no... it doesnt let you in.. if u use your user
[09:49] <ogra> abelli: so you probably can only run it with a enabled root......
[09:49] <llun_ved> hello guys
[09:49] <abelli> ogra: i'll some way round..
[09:49] <abelli> well at least ill try to..
[09:49] <llun_ved> anyone here running a home e-mail server in ubuntu? i can send but i am not receiving.
[09:50] <ogra> llun_ved: probably nobody likes you.....
[09:50] <ogra> llun_ved: so no one sends mail ?
[09:51] <ogra> ;)
[09:51] <llun_ved> no ... i sent myself an e-mail from an external account in and I used to run a slackware machine with sendmail
[09:51] <ogra> llun_ved: was kidding....
[09:51] <llun_ved> k
[09:52] <llun_ved> i am working on getting ubuntu to do the same thing as my slack box
[09:52] <JayeAeotiv> It's broken
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: in which way ?
[09:53] <llun_ved> what's broken
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu won't boot... and windows isn't an option.
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: Ubuntu won't boot ?
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu says something about bad blocks on the disc
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: whats the error ?
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> See...
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> if I make partitions using windows... and do that first.
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu wants me to make new ones it won't see any on the install.
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> And I think if I do windows on the ubuntu's partitions... (fat32 left over)
[09:54] <llun_ved> screw it
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> then it messes up the other.
[09:54] <ogra> hmm
[09:54] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: but it should work, no matter what win does, after our grub installation
[09:55] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: in any case it should boot ubuntu, execpt...
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> It gives me a root
[09:55] <phyberoptix> how i do i update to xchat 2.4 ?
[09:55] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you shuffled the partitions around
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> but it says that there's something wrong with the hda1
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> damnit
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> Ok
[09:56] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: was ubuntu hda1 before ?
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:56] <ogra> ahh... ok
[09:56] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: which one is it now ?
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> It should still be hda1
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> I can browse hda1 with knoppix
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> and it's got linux stuff on it
[09:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: nope, if you have had a booting win that cant be+
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> it's got files that I placed on there with ubuntu.
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> so it's hda1
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> windows is on hda3
[09:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: that booted ?
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> yeah
[09:58] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: afaik win is very strict tied to hda1
[09:58] <JayeAeotiv> Windows see hda3 as C:
[09:58] <JayeAeotiv> afaik?
[09:58] <ogra> as far as i know
[09:59] <JayeAeotiv> Well, now I can't get into windows.
[09:59] <JayeAeotiv> woot
[09:59] <stianh> hmm
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> I would say fuck windows permanently/
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> but I've got a lot of development tools that I can't get on linux I don't think.
[10:00] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: can you go into the grub editor on boot ?
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> Visual studio etc.
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> I don't know what grub editor is
[10:00] <Orcrist> Jaye, you can run those using wine under linux
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> where I see a list of things to boot?
[10:00] <Orcrist> I've seen it done
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> It has ubuntu four times.
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> ubuntu kernel twice and ubuntu rescue twice
[10:01] <stianh> JayeAeotiv, I think there are things you could use that are similar to visual studio
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> Yeah, but I needed them like fast
[10:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: four ?
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> so I had to install windows
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> yes four
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> two rescues
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> and two normal kernels
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> exactly the same too
[10:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: did you try them both ?
[10:02] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: i suspect the second is ours
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> I tried the second first
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> both give the same issue
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> I don't get it
[10:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you could repeat the steps.....and try to tell grub to install to hda1 instead of hda.....
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> I can browse hda1 from here just fine.
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> i forgot what to do.
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> to get it writable
[10:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: i.e.  grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda1
[10:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: instead of:  grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda
[10:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:06] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[10:07] <JayeAeotiv> rebooting to see if it works.
[10:08] <DaNewB> hello! just wanted to say I luv Ubuntu :)
[10:08] <ogra> we too
[10:08] <DaNewB> bye!
[10:17] <phyberoptix> i gotta question
[10:18] <codemarauder> yeah ask please
[10:18] <phyberoptix> how do i update xchat?
[10:18] <ogra> phyberoptix: there is no newer version then 2.0.8 for warty
[10:18] <phyberoptix> y cant i put the hoary edition on it?
[10:19] <ogra> phyberoptix: it has all the security patches backported
[10:19] <ogra> phyberoptix: dont mix distributions, either full upgrade or wait till april
[10:19] <phyberoptix> i did a full upgrade last nite =\
[10:20] <phyberoptix> i dont know if i wanna go thru that again
[10:20] <ogra> phyberoptix: so just stick with it
[10:21] <adam_> What is the apt command to install dev tools(gcc etc) for ubuntu?
[10:21] <ogra> adam_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:23] <Setite> hello all
[10:23] <Setite> what is build-essential
[10:23] <Setite> hey i was wondering... and synaptic upgrade the kernel?
[10:24] <Setite> and=can
[10:24] <crimsun> it's a metapackage for essential packages used to compile source code, Setite.
[10:24] <Setite> ahhh
[10:24] <ctd> i.e. to compile the linux kernel.
[10:24] <Setite> PEPSI!!!!
[10:25] <crimsun> Setite: and yes, Synaptic will tell you if there are newer versions of the kernel available (same package name) in the Ubuntu repositories.
[10:25] <Setite> i had 3 of you today
[10:25] <pepsi> ?
[10:25] <Setite> hehe
[10:25] <pepsi> awesome
[10:25] <pepsi> but coke is better
[10:25] <Setite> die blashpemer!!!!
[10:25] <adam_> I tried installing the nvidia driver and it says no kernel source tree found, how do i install the kernel source tree for ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> adam_: the Nvidia driver is already installed in the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` package
[10:26] <ogra> adam_: you dont, you take the ubuntu package
[10:26] <adam_> how do i install that?
[10:26] <Prasatko> hello. I have debian (kernel 2.2) and I'd like to upgrade do kernel 2.6 (ubuntu), bootloader is lilo. i type this: dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6......deb  and it says that i must add "/initrd=initrd.img" to lilo conf.. so the new line in lilo will look like this: "image=vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img"  ???
[10:26] <ogra> adam_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:27] <abelli> ciao a tutti im off
[10:27] <Setite> I WANT UBUNTU!!!
[10:27] <phyberoptix> so r u sayin the xchat is already fixed on ubuntu?
[10:27] <Setite> this is killing me
[10:27] <codemarauder> prasatko: add a new line
[10:27] <pepsi> install it
[10:27] <ogra> crimsun: btw, why are you not http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[10:27] <ogra> ?
[10:27] <crimsun> ogra: because I'm a goof :P
[10:27] <ogra> heh
[10:27] <crimsun> I'll poke it at work in a bit
[10:27] <crimsun> thanks for the reminder
[10:27] <crimsun> :)
[10:28] <ogra> crimsun: got on, join the class ;)
[10:28] <Setite> if only the livecd worked
[10:28] <Setite> who thinks the fedora developers are mean
[10:28] <Prasatko> codemarauder: new line with:  initrd=/initrd.img  ?? that's all?
[10:28] <crimsun> Prasatko: initrd=foo goes on a separate line
[10:28] <Setite> i still cant believe they dont add ntfs support by default
[10:28] <gotcha> Have you run cedega on Ubuntu?
[10:28] <Setite> gotcha have you?
[10:28] <codemarauder> prasatko: initrd=/path/to/initrd.img
[10:29] <Setite> i will be able to say yes to that question next week
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> I have
[10:29] <valberg> hey i need some help! when trying to install kdelibs-data dpkg fails unpacking...
[10:29] <valberg> :S
[10:29] <Setite> imma get my rig up... and immediately buy cedega
[10:29] <codemarauder> prasatko: this could be /boot/initrd.img or depending on your installation
[10:29] <Setite> that should be on a monday... and hopefully by tuesday i will have got it working
[10:29] <codemarauder> prasatko: just check /boot if it is there...
[10:30] <gotcha> Excuseme Setite, I speak a little of english
[10:30] <sid77> hi
[10:30] <Prasatko> codemarauder: i have installed minimal version of debian. and there is not any file initrd in /boot
[10:30] <Setite> no worries, im not saying anything of importance
[10:30] <pepsi> whats cedega
[10:31] <Setite> winex
[10:31] <Setite> its for gaming
[10:31] <pepsi> pff, games
[10:31] <Prasatko> codemarauder:only vmlinuz and some shot (<10kB) files
[10:31] <Setite> http://transgaming.org
[10:31] <codemarauder> prasatko: after you install the 2.6 kernel then this file will come
[10:31] <Setite> pff you coke boy
[10:31] <pepsi> ;D
[10:31] <Setite> or should i say coke loving cake boy?
[10:32] <pepsi> whichever tickles your fancy
[10:32] <Setite> indeed it does float my boat
[10:32] <Setite> or should i say set my sail
[10:32] <Setite> hmmmm
[10:32] <adam_> Do I have the restricted modules installed by default?
[10:32] <Setite> anyhou
[10:32] <Setite> hello Seq
[10:32] <Prasatko> codemarauder: ok.   :D :D
[10:35] <Riddell> ogra: I'm aboard already?
[10:35] <Setite> cheese nips are a food snack.. so if you are japanese... do not be offended
[10:35] <adam_> Thanks ogra
[10:35] <Setite> ogra is the man
[10:35] <ogra> Riddell: you are now ubuntite .....
[10:35] <Setite> two cheers for ogra
[10:35] <Setite> hear hear
[10:36] <adam_> hip hip
[10:36] <codemarauder> prasatko: for 2.4.x this will be initrd.gz
[10:36] <codemarauder> prasatko: for 2.6.x I'm not sure
[10:36] <Setite> someone give a dummy an explanation of what xfree86 is
[10:36] <Setite> shit nvm
[10:36] <valberg> Riddell, when dpkg tries unpacking it i get an error saying: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.stardivision.calc.desktop', which is also in the package openoffice.org-mimelnk (loosely translated from danish))
[10:36] <Setite> i keep forgetting... i have ebooks... might as well start reading
[10:36] <Riddell> valberg: is this hoary or warty?
[10:37] <valberg> hoary
[10:37] <ogra> Riddell: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers (ubuntites are self nominated)
[10:37] <Riddell> valberg: submit a bug report
[10:37] <valberg> link please ?
[10:37] <valberg> found it
[10:37] <ogra> valberg: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:37] <Riddell> valberg: and try  dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs4-data*
[10:38] <gotcha> Who have used cedega(el programa) on Linux?
[10:38] <adam_> New problem, my monitor is 1600x1200 85hz CRT and ubuntu wont let me go above 60hz, which is not good on a CRT
[10:38] <gotcha> Who have used cedega on Ubuntu?
[10:38] <valberg> Riddell, it's /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:39] <Setite> Fator_dee
[10:39] <Setite> gotcha
[10:39] <Setite> what do you need
[10:39] <drspin> gotcha - I use cvscedega on ubuntu
[10:39] <Setite> drspin
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> Setite: hunh?
[10:39] <Setite> what is cvscedega
[10:39] <Setite> i understand cvs
[10:39] <Setite> but is there another cedega?
[10:40] <Setite> fator you've used cedega right
[10:40] <jdz_> It's the development version
[10:40] <Setite> ok
[10:40] <Setite> still not free right
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> nope
[10:40] <gotcha> Setite, I want to play pc games on linux
[10:40] <adam_> Is there a way to setup X so I can have 1600x1200@85hz?
[10:40] <Setite> oh
[10:40] <drspin> cedega for those of us that like free stuff
[10:40] <valberg> Riddell, i get alot of errors telling me that several files also are in openoffice.org-mimelnk , and that some configurationfiles don't exist on the system...
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> but wine is free
[10:40] <Setite> oh so there is a free cedega
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> no, no free cedega, wine is free
[10:40] <Riddell> valberg: errors are there to be ignored :)
[10:40] <Setite> im talking to drspin
[10:41] <Setite> "<drspin> cedega for those of us that like free stuff"
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> yes, but cedega != wine
[10:41] <drspin> Setite: yes - development, CVS cersion :: fairly painless to install
[10:41] <Setite> cedega is winex
[10:41] <Setite> drpsin... and free?
[10:41] <Setite> how stable is it in general
[10:41] <valberg> Riddell, well, when it stops me from installing several programs, then they aren't...
[10:41] <Setite> disregard that
[10:41] <Setite> i have a more crucial question abotu cedega
[10:42] <Setite> i read a review on it using City Of Heroes
[10:42] <valberg> Riddell, just ran that command you gave me again, and it installed!
[10:42] <Setite> and he said that when he just tapped a button
[10:42] <Setite> it didnt respond
[10:42] <Setite> in regards to movement
[10:42] <drspin> ?
[10:42] <Setite> now if its not completely responsive... then it will not cut it for fps...
[10:42] <Setite> have you experienced inability to make subtle movements?
[10:42] <drspin> if you pay for cedega you get access to the message boards - where you can talk about issues like that......
[10:43] <Setite> yea imma pay so i can get to the forum
[10:43] <Setite> well not for that
[10:43] <Setite> just to support them
[10:43] <drspin> the inability to make subtle movements could mean many things from a configuration standpoint...
[10:43] <Setite> well he said if he tapped the key to strafe to the left it woudl work
[10:44] <Setite> then he would hop back automatically
[10:44] <Setite> like as if the server denied the movement as valid
[10:44] <drspin> ...
[10:44] <Setite> sounded like an anti-cheat feature.... but i dunno
[10:44] <drspin> I dunno
[10:44] <Setite> so you've had no problems?
[10:44] <Setite> hmmm... cool... but that is what im gonna try cvscedega first
[10:45] <drspin> some games aren't supported and don't work - some games aren't supported and do work...
[10:45] <drspin> don't expect every game to work perfectly -- but most are quite playable
[10:45] <drspin> most = some
[10:46] <Setite> yea i understand that
[10:46] <Setite> but ive only read about instabilities and such... not unresponsive movements
[10:46] <valberg> hmm.. synaptic crashes when i choose a program, that has dependencies, to be installed...
[10:46] <Setite> and im only concerned with half life 2 and cs source
[10:46] <Setite> which are confirmed to work
[10:46] <Setite> and vtm bloodlines... i wonder if anyone has tested that yet
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: got some hoary packages installed?
[10:47] <drspin> the former work according to what I've seen -- not sure about VTM tough
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: like firefox 1.0
[10:47] <valberg> YorHel, jep
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: same problem here, it's because of a warty-hoary-package conflict
[10:47] <valberg> darn
[10:48] <Setite> ouch... playability of 1 star for vtm bloodlines... thats not good... ah well i dotn mind dual booting
[10:48] <gotcha> Setite, I downloaded cedega, I installed cedega, I installed Quake III, but after I reseted my PC because the installation ask me. Then I search the way to play Quake III but i don't find it
[10:48] <valberg> well.. then i have to run apt-get style... well that just reminds me of my days with debian :D
[10:48] <Setite> ill just strip the windows install
[10:48] <YorHel> valberg: does your login-screen still works?
[10:48] <valberg> well for now...
[10:48] <Setite> drspin help me as i dont know cedega first hand
[10:48] <Setite> there is a c: folder right
[10:48] <Setite> in the main directory or somewhere deeper
[10:48] <valberg> haven't rebooted... yet...
[10:49] <gotcha> Setite, where is C: folder
[10:49] <gotcha> ?
[10:49] <drspin> gotcha: play quake 3 with the native executables...
[10:49] <YorHel> valberg: dont reboot :)
[10:49] <valberg> YorHel, but it failed with a other installation of ubuntu i had earlier...
[10:49] <valberg> YorHel, you mean that hoary f*cks X up ?
[10:50] <index> Hi, How to connect to admin shares lkie (C$ etc..) on windows comp. I always get "you do not have permissions necessary to view the contents of folders"
[10:50] <valberg> YorHel, 'cause it said to me that :0 was taken...
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: no, hoary packages f*ck up warty gdm
[10:50] <valberg> :S
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: yep, that error
[10:50] <broodster> hey
[10:50] <valberg> ahh.. maybe i just should install hoary gdm ;)
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: that might work :)
[10:50] <Setite> drspin... native executables woudl be for the port right?
[10:50] <valberg> YorHel, someone on ubuntuforums did that, and that worked
[10:51] <YorHel> valberg: Hmm, maybe I should try that too
[10:51] <adam_> Is there an update for apt sources or is epiphany not available?  I did apt-get update and then install epiphany and it says no packlage found
[10:51] <valberg> how many in here still have their root user disabled ?
[10:51] <drspin> Setite:: yes - Quake 3 runs natively on linux, you don't need cedega
[10:51] <broodster> how do i play war3 on linux?
[10:52] <Setite> well even the windows version
[10:52] <Setite> war3?
[10:52] <broodster> warcraft 3
[10:52] <spikeb> um
[10:52] <Creap> hi.. how does apt-setup work, or whatever i should use to make apt get stuff from sunet.se?
[10:52] <Setite> id guess cedega
[10:52] <stuNNed> cedega
[10:52] <gotcha> thanks Setite i'm going to drop the rubbish into the main bin
[10:52] <spikeb> you have to have cedega, which you have to pay for, and you get support with that payment.
[10:52] <spikeb> so go ask them.
[10:52] <drspin> broodster: cedega http://www.transgaming.com runs it quite well
[10:52] <Creap> i can't figure it out, anywhere to read?
[10:52] <broodster> thanks
[10:52] <stuNNed> adam_, i think it's epiphany-browser or something
[10:52] <Setite> for all non-linux games ill say cedega automatically
[10:53] <adam_> That did the trick thanks
[10:53] <Setite> spike where have you been.... if im not mistaken there is a free one
[10:53] <drspin> Quake 3, Castle Wolfenstein, UT2004 & 2004 all run native in linux!!
[10:53] <Setite> but shit im so confused
[10:53] <spikeb> cedega has a free time limited demo.
[10:53] <Setite> drspin... but do you have to download a linux verson?
[10:53] <spikeb> drspin, and neverwinter nights
[10:53] <Setite> nah they dont... that is not available anymore from what i see.... but i mean a cvs version
[10:54] <spikeb> UT2004 has a linux installer in the cd
[10:54] <Setite> oh really?
[10:54] <Setite> awesome
[10:54] <spikeb> the cvs version of cedega SUCKS
[10:54] <drspin> Cedega is available free through CVS - which is the bleeding edge DEVELOPMENT version --
[10:54] <Setite> i need ut2004 then
[10:54] <spikeb> _SUCKS_
[10:54] <spikeb> hedh
[10:54] <Setite> spike why
[10:54] <Setite> unstable?
[10:54] <spikeb> yes
[10:54] <broodster> is there a version of MSN for linux?
[10:54] <spikeb> and it doesn't have half the stuff the actual product does
[10:54] <Setite> well its a nice teaser i suppose
[10:54] <spikeb> i think it's crippleware
[10:54] <YorHel> broodster: gaim
[10:54] <spikeb> broodster, messenger?
[10:55] <Setite> Gaim has msn integrated right
[10:55] <spikeb> bronson, gaim will do it.
[10:55] <Setite> Gaim is your mother
[10:55] <Setite> i love it
[10:55] <drspin> you use the data files from your game CD and download the executables... which are free
[10:55] <broodster> oh lol
[10:55] <YorHel> I also had gaim for windows ^^
[10:55] <drspin> I'm using Gaim to chat in this room :)
[10:55] <Marianitu> and if you like something more similar to the windows version of messenger, amsn
[10:55] <Setite> only thing i dotn like in linux is the title bars for shit
[10:56] <Setite> too big
[10:56] <Setite> but i fixed that real quick
[10:56] <spikeb> is mozilla 1.8 ever going to be released?
[10:56] <Setite> just upped the resolution and shrunk the fonts
[10:56] <Setite> nope
[10:56] <spikeb> it's been alpha for a long time now
[10:57] <Setite> i wonder if opera will ever open its source
[10:57] <spikeb> probably not.
[10:57] <spikeb> unless the company goes under.
[10:57] <CraHan_> does anyone know why for example Applications:/// in nautilus isn't a valid location anymore?
[10:57] <YorHel> :|
[10:57] <Amaranth> CraHan_: The menu system changed.
[10:57] <spikeb> CraHan_, are you running gnome 2.9?
[10:57] <ogra> CraHan_: because it should have a smaall a
[10:57] <OddAbe19> spikeb, i don't think they're doing 1.8, i think they're abandoning it in favor of Firefox
[10:57] <CraHan_> spikeb: yup, hoary
[10:57] <ogra> CraHan_: ah, ok
[10:57] <OddAbe19> spikeb, iirc
[10:57] <Setite> ok... doesnt matter to me... im not a programmer
[10:58] <CraHan_> I've indeed seen some gnome-menu changes
[10:58] <spikeb> CraHan_, either its changed in the new menu system, or its broken
[10:58] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: Wrong, they are continuing work on Mozilla.
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: its not possible in hoary
[10:58] <spikeb> OddAbe19, they shouldn't have released an alpha then HEH
[10:58] <calc> it would be nicer if they split out composer then instead of just killing it
[10:58] <CraHan_> like not being able to edit the menus
[10:58] <Setite> oddabe19 - do you forsee firefox becoming a suite
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: yep
[10:58] <setup> is dvdrtools the only dvd writing package in ubuntu?
[10:58] <Setite> or having an option to add the suite
[10:58] <Amaranth> calc: They did, it's called nvu.
[10:58] <spikeb> firefox will never be a suite.
[10:58] <Setite> damnit
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: install gnome-app-manager
[10:58] <CraHan_> ogra: ah ok, phew, at least I know it's 'normal'
[10:58] <Setite> then i guess ill never use it
[10:58] <calc> Amaranth: hmm i didn't notice it on their site for some reason, will have to look again
[10:58] <CraHan_> ogra: oh cool
[10:58] <spikeb> but firefox/nvu/thunderbird will be one :)
[10:58] <OddAbe19> Amaranth, ok, i thought i remembered hearing a branch of mozilla or something like that leaving in favor of firefox
[10:58] <Setite> hold on i forgot
[10:58] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: That was the original plan.
[10:58] <Setite> does firefox have email in it
[10:59] <Setite> pop3
[10:59] <spikeb> no
[10:59] <spikeb> thunderbird does.
[10:59] <CraHan_> ogra: does nautilus-cd-burner work again?
[10:59] <calc> is nvu not an official mozilla project?
[10:59] <drspin> calc: I wish they would take composer and drive into it like they did firefox...
[10:59] <Setite> and what is the difference
[10:59] <ogra> CraHan_: havent tried in hoary.....
[10:59] <OddAbe19> Amaranth, check check, got it
[10:59] <CraHan_> cause I keep getting dependency problems when I try to install it
[10:59] <whaaaaa> does anyone know why the network configuration would freeze my system when I try to add my wireless card?
[10:59] <spikeb> drspin, somebody beat them to it, it's called nvu
[10:59] <Amaranth> spikeb: firefox/thunderbird/nvu/sunfire/chatzilla
[10:59] <Setite> sunfire?!chatzilla?!
[10:59] <spikeb> ahh yes, sunfire
[11:00] <Setite> god
[11:00] <whaaaaa> I have the drivers installed with ndiswrapper, and it can actually scan for networks
[11:00] <Setite> i just want email and web browsing in one thing
[11:00] <CraHan_> ogra: is gnome-app-manager available in hoary?
[11:00] <Setite> with one name
[11:00] <spikeb> Setite, bah
[11:00] <CraHan_> cause I can't seem to find it
[11:00] <Setite> no bah
[11:00] <spikeb> Setite, that's crap :)
[11:00] <ogra> CraHan_: yupp
[11:00] <whaaaaa> just no luck when adding the card in the network config
[11:00] <Setite> no its not
[11:00] <spikeb> yes it is.
[11:00] <Amaranth> Setite: Then use seamonkey and enjoy the slowness and crappy UI.
[11:00] <ogra> CraHan_: should be in universe
[11:00] <Setite> no... i would never use anything called seamonkey
[11:00] <CraHan_> I  have universe in my apt sources though
[11:00] <CraHan_> strange
[11:00] <Creap> when i start apt-setup and then select ftp i only get a new line and no shell line or anything
[11:00] <Creap> and no list of servers
[11:00] <Setite> ill just cross my fingers and hope opera works better on ubuntu then it did on FC3
[11:01] <Amaranth> Setite: Yes you would, that's the mozilla suite project name.
[11:01] <spikeb> Setite, you have GOT to try evolution for mail - it's awesome
[11:01] <Setite> i bet it is
[11:01] <calc> so nvu is actually a fork of composer, but looks good
[11:01] <Setite> but i like having both in one window
[11:01] <Amaranth> evolution is like outlook
[11:01] <broodster> i hate windows
[11:01] <broodster> everytime i install it
[11:01] <Setite> i know it is... i didnt like outlook though
[11:01] <spikeb> Amaranth, but it is good
[11:01] <broodster> iget spy ware
[11:01] <ogra> CraHan_: sorry, gnome-app-install
[11:01] <CraHan_> gnome-app-install is available :)
[11:01] <CraHan_> aaah
[11:01] <CraHan_> ok
[11:01] <YorHel> broodster: get firefox for windows, it helps
[11:02] <broodster> yah
[11:02] <broodster> but before i can
[11:02] <spikeb> yeah i have my family run FF on windows
[11:02] <Setite> spyware is not a big thing though
[11:02] <broodster> it's already hijacked o_O
[11:02] <Setite> easily removed
[11:02] <broodster> no
[11:02] <broodster> i got this crap
[11:02] <broodster> hhnt.exe
[11:02] <Amaranth> a Windows XP computer on cable or DSL will get slammed in about 2 minutes or less
[11:02] <OddAbe19> except, it depends synaptic, which is broken right now
[11:02] <Setite> my browser hasnt been hijackes since before spyware became widely known
[11:02] <OddAbe19> for me at least
[11:02] <CraHan_> hrmmm
[11:02] <broodster> it like duplicates itself every 3 minutes or something
[11:02] <tolstoy> is sound-juicer broken on hoary?
[11:02] <Setite> then again i never use MSIE
[11:02] <spikeb> heh
[11:02] <whaaaaa> quick question, when the documentation says reboot with the new kernel, I just reboot right?  or do I have to change some settings (after downloading the image)
[11:02] <broodster> i can't figuir out how to get rid of it
[11:02] <CraHan_> complains about python
[11:02] <YorHel> lolol
[11:02] <spikeb> i cant wait until march
[11:02] <CraHan_> been seeing that a few times as of late
[11:02] <Setite> amaranth you read that article too
[11:02] <Setite> ?
[11:02] <Amaranth> Setite: I've seen it first hand.
[11:03] <ogra> CraHan_: if you start it ?
[11:03] <CraHan_> I seem to have python > 2.4 installed and it wants a python version << 2.4
[11:03] <Setite> but i was asking if you read the article
[11:03] <spikeb> heh
[11:03] <Amaranth> Setite: Yeah.
[11:03] <CraHan_> no when I try to select it through dselect
[11:03] <spikeb> CraHan_, python is still broken eh? has been for a while now
[11:03] <ogra> CraHan_: dist-upgrade ?
[11:03] <Setite> i have a windows box... ive seen how they are without updates
[11:03] <YorHel> whaaaaa: depends on what doc :P
[11:03] <CraHan_> ogra: just did a dist-upgrade a few minutes agi
[11:03] <CraHan_> *ago
[11:03] <Setite> within 1 minute i got one of those ads for a proggy to stop the ads
[11:03] <whaaaaa> yorhel: this one http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:03] <spikeb> CraHan_, here's a tip - dont upgrade for a while once you get things working
[11:03] <spikeb> heh
[11:04] <ogra> CraHan_: works for me with a yesterday upgraded box
[11:04] <CraHan_> spikeb: hehe
[11:04] <broodster> hey is there a shortcut to gothrough work spaces?
[11:04] <Setite> which is why i use windows nemesis
[11:04] <CraHan_> ogra: yeah I think I'll just ignore it
[11:04] <whaaaaa> broodster: ctrl+alt+left/right
[11:04] <spikeb> ew
[11:04] <spikeb> crappy shortcut
[11:04] <YorHel> whaaaaa: sounds like a normal reboot to me...
[11:04] <whaaaaa> ok, that's what I thought
[11:05] <Setite> question for all.. if there was an uberlinux that rocked like no other... but cost like 200 bucks... would you.. A pay for it B get a warez copy C go without
[11:05] <ogra> whaaaaa: its right
[11:05] <whaaaaa> any clue why when I try to add wlan0 in the network config it would hang?
[11:05] <CraHan_> I could of course remove python (the metapackage) and install python2.3
[11:05] <phyberoptix> B
[11:05] <Setite> agreed
[11:05] <Setite> hehe and maybe i would mail them 50 bucks anonymously
[11:05] <phyberoptix> lol
[11:05] <ogra> whaaaaa:as i told you, its a flaky app, use the file
[11:05] <spikeb> Setite, i'd go without
[11:05] <phyberoptix> include a note "u been wared on $150"
[11:06] <Setite> haha yea
[11:06] <Setite> i should say... drop the price damnit
[11:06] <Setite> thanks for answering everyone
[11:06] <whaaaaa> ogra: yeah, ok
[11:06] <spikeb> i can make LFS into an uberlinux when i have the patience
[11:06] <spikeb> :P
[11:06] <Setite> alot of time
[11:07] <Setite> i mean one with no hardware issues and is safe as hell and configurable as hell with full gaming support for windows/linux and perhaps even mac games
[11:07] <whaaaaa> ogra: what's the easiest way to not mess the config file up?
[11:07] <ogra> whaaaaa: make a backup
[11:07] <whaaaaa> hehe
[11:07] <ogra> whaaaaa: in your home
[11:07] <spikeb> i could do the the first three myself
[11:07] <spikeb> not mac games though
[11:07] <broodster> whaaaaa: thanks
[11:08] <spikeb> first four i should say
[11:08] <Setite> another theoretical question.. picture if linux took over and MS was just a memory... and it turned into the next MS... a distro arose and wiped out the others and they were a monopoly worst than MS at its peak... would a new linux type OS arise?
[11:08] <spikeb> yeah
[11:08] <Setite> but based upon what
[11:08] <Setite> i mean there is what
[11:08] <Amaranth> um, linux
[11:08] <ogra> whaaaaa: here is a example: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:08] <Setite> DOS, UNIX
[11:09] <spikeb> there already are other open source (and not open source) alternative OSes in existance.
[11:09] <Setite> and what esle
[11:09] <phyberoptix> thats a waste of space
[11:09] <spikeb> they'd merely rise in popularity
[11:09] <Setite> any with potential?
[11:09] <Amaranth> See, a single Linux distro can never have a monopoly.
[11:09] <spikeb> Setite, syllable has potential if anyon eever wants to help with it
[11:09] <Setite> it was theoretical
[11:09] <Amaranth> Because of the GPL we always have choice.
[11:09] <whaaaaa> ogra: yeah that's what I'm looking at
[11:09] <spikeb> yes it can Amaranth.
[11:09] <Amaranth> spikeb: How do you kill Debian or Ubuntu or gentoo?
[11:09] <Setite> we have choice... but im saying if it was so hard to compete
[11:10] <spikeb> Amaranth, you dont have to kill it. merely have to achieve dominance.
[11:10] <Setite> a distro so superior only a fool would not use it
[11:10] <spikeb> Amaranth, there are more ways than just code to enforce a monopoly
[11:10] <Amaranth> Setite: The features from that distro would end up the other ones.
[11:10] <Setite> yea.. i mean they could win out the corporate world with a superior product.. that was cheaper and had no learning curve
[11:10] <Amaranth> Either by coding something new or just taking the GPL'd source code.
[11:10] <spikeb> it wouldnt effect you and me, but joe user
[11:10] <Setite> which MS clings to so sadly
[11:10] <spikeb> (a distro monopoly)
[11:11] <Amaranth> Getting rid of MS is just a nice side effect.
[11:11] <spikeb> i mean, i can already go use whatever iw ant, or make my own, and am doing so in the face of the MS monopoly
[11:11] <Setite> your no fun Amaranth
[11:11] <Amaranth> The real goal is choice.
[11:11] <spikeb> i have to agree with Amaranth on this one
[11:11] <Setite> its a nice goal... but i think a distro will need to step up to win this game
[11:11] <Amaranth> Most open source devs don't care about beating Microsoft.
[11:11] <spikeb> Setite, for joe user - probably
[11:12] <Setite> well you dont have to care abotu beating MS...
[11:12] <spikeb> but it'll be my distro that does it :)
[11:12] <Setite> just abotu make the best OS
[11:12] <Setite> and that will in turn beat MS
[11:12] <Amaranth> Setite: Like I said, beating MS will just be a nice side effect.
[11:12] <Setite> or bust them down to a fraction of the market
[11:12] <spikeb> i cant say i care about beating MS. i DO care about making things easy/smart enough for more people to use, though
[11:13] <spikeb> that way they DO have a real choice.
[11:13] <Setite> yea... well side effect... goal or whatever... if linux gets to a point it will win
[11:13] <spikeb> (besides moving to another hardware platform)
[11:13] <Setite> i wonder if it will ever though...
[11:13] <calc> if linux gets too much market share ms will lobby to make floss illegal
[11:13] <calc> heh ;)
[11:13] <Setite> floss?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Not possible.
[11:14] <pepsi> what's floss?
[11:14] <Amaranth> Unless they remove copyright.
[11:14] <pepsi> ;)
[11:14] <Setite> amaranth... whats not possible
[11:14] <calc> free libre open source software
[11:14] <Amaranth> Which fucks them too.
[11:14] <spikeb> when Free/OSS software is illegal, only criminals wil have free software!
[11:14] <Setite> never
[11:14] <CraHan_> hmmm
[11:14] <CraHan_> I seem to have lost the burn option in the places menu
[11:14] <spikeb> heh
[11:14] <Amaranth> The GPL is based on copyright law so the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of copyright.
[11:14] <Setite> it would be beyond even their reach to make free software illegal
[11:15] <calc> Setite: they could patent 0 and 1 ;)
[11:15] <spikeb> CraHan_, try typing nautilus-cd-burner in a terminal or a run window, and see if it's still around
[11:15] <Amaranth> Even MS wouldn't be able to convince the MPAA and RIAA funded Congress to do that.
[11:15] <Setite> unless they owned all the cpu hardware patents and forced only MS on it
[11:15] <Amaranth> Setite: Never going to happen, IBM.
[11:15] <CraHan_> spikeb: no nautilus-cd-burner seems to be conflicting with nautilus itself in hoary
[11:15] <Setite> they cant even control it on their own xbox
[11:15] <Amaranth> CraHan_: I have the cd burner in hoary.
[11:16] <CraHan_> apparently there now is a nautilus-extensions deb that nautilus uses and that conflicts with nautilus-cd-burner
[11:16] <Setite> its like a golden rule of sorts that you can do what you will with what you own as long as you don't inherently break a law
[11:16] <Amaranth> Setite: Except software.
[11:16] <spikeb> wtf
[11:16] <Setite> explain
[11:16] <spikeb> CraHan_, i am so glad i dont run hoary
[11:16] <Setite> well yea i see what you mean
[11:16] <JDahl> Why does linux necessarily have to beat MS? I why do we need to "conquer the desktop"? Linux is perfect for our needs, we dont need Joe Average-user's acceptence... + the contributions to linux come from people who already use Linux and who couldnt care less about Windows... Being a niche OS isn't necessarily bad
[11:17] <Amaranth> It seems to be copyrightable and patentable at the same time as well as just a license and at the same time just the medium the software comes on whenever it suits the creator.
[11:17] <CraHan_> ok here's what happens: when I select nautilus-cd-burner for installation, libnautilus2, nautilus and file-roller get deselected
[11:17] <JDahl> s/I/and/
[11:17] <spikeb> i care about ease of use plenty
[11:17] <Setite> jdahl wrond
[11:17] <spikeb> i'm lazy.
[11:17] <Frafraxy> hi
[11:17] <Setite> if joe average accepts it then more attention will be placed on it... which cant be bad
[11:17] <Amaranth> CraHan_: Get the hell out of synaptic.
[11:17] <CraHan_> I'm assuming that uninstalling nautilus and installing nautilus-cd-burner will leave me in a bigger pickle than not having a cd burner :)
[11:17] <Frafraxy> the driver ati work 50%
[11:17] <CraHan_> Amaranth: using dselect
[11:17] <Setite> there will possibly be games for it... and better software available for those who want it
[11:17] <Amaranth> CraHan_: sudo apt-get install nautilus-cd-burner
[11:18] <Frafraxy> i must reboot the pc every 30 min.
[11:18] <Setite> there is nothing 100% bad about a commercialized aspect
[11:18] <JDahl> Setite, even if you convert your mom and dad and everyone else to Linux, how is that helping Linux?
[11:18] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:18] <CraHan_> Amaranth: ok that worked, I wonder why dselect doesn't behave though
[11:18] <Frafraxy> how i can restart x?
[11:18] <Setite> how i just said
[11:18] <Setite> it can spark interest for software companies
[11:18] <spikeb> Frafraxy, press control alt backspace
[11:18] <Amaranth> CraHan_: It was deselecting the old version, I think.
[11:18] <drspin> [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [BACKSPACE]
[11:18] <Setite> how does it not help
[11:19] <JDahl> Linux already does what I need...
[11:19] <Setite> good for you
[11:19] <spikeb> i'd actually rather see more open source games - more artists and such
[11:19] <CraHan_> it's installing nautilus-cd-burner version 2.8.6
[11:19] <CraHan_> dunno if that's the latest version, but it did install ;)
[11:19] <Setite> but it is not for everyone
[11:19] <JDahl> never was it ever meant to be
[11:19] <JDahl> neither
[11:19] <Setite> it was never meant to be what
[11:20] <whaaaaa> if wlan0 doesen't show up in /etc/network/interfaces, does that mean it's not being used?
[11:20] <JDahl> "everyone" already has several OS'es, including MS and MAC
[11:20] <Setite> you mean linus torvalds mission statement was to create an OS that would not evolve to be used by all who would like to
[11:20] <JDahl> I dont think he had the "world domination" in mind... he liked Unix, and decided to write his own version
[11:20] <calc> linus didn't have a mission statement he was just hacking on something
[11:20] <Amaranth> Setite: He wanted to learn 386 assembly.
[11:21] <broodster> is the logitech MX series supported by ubuntu?
[11:21] <calc> broodster: works here, i have the cordless mx desktop
[11:21] <Frafraxy> i've restarted x, but my graphic card work 50%
[11:21] <Setite> im not saying he had the domination in mind
[11:21] <Setite> but linux should evolve to be what its capable of
[11:21] <broodster> my back and forward buttosn dont work =[
[11:21] <Frafraxy> when i restart pc it work very webb
[11:21] <Setite> you act like such a thing would be the death of linux
[11:21] <Frafraxy> when i restart pc it work very well
[11:22] <Creap> how do I add for instance one of the following servers: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full#SE to my sources.list? I don't get what more than the uri i should enter...
[11:22] <Amaranth> Setite: You have to understand that the Linux kernel isn't perfection. Other OSes do things much better.
[11:22] <Frafraxy> but when i restart a program that use 3d...
[11:22] <Setite> nothings perfection... but its better IMO then the leader of this industry
[11:22] <Amaranth> Creap: Don't mix Debian and Ubuntu.
[11:22] <Frafraxy> it gives me some prloblems
[11:22] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:22] <JDahl> no, I just dont understand all this fuzz about converting normal MS users to Linux... even if more software companies start to write commercial software for linux.
[11:22] <Amaranth> Creap: If you can figure out how to do it yourself you might stand a chance of surviving the nightmare that comes later.
[11:23] <JDahl> that's not going to make Linux as such a better OS
[11:23] <Amaranth> Frafraxy: You haven't told us what's wrong.
[11:23] <Setite> it will make it better for linux users
[11:23] <Setite> choice is the goal isn't it
[11:23] <spikeb> i care about making a better OS for them, not them making a better OS for me.
[11:24] <Setite> it would benefit linuxers if they could go to the store and buy any game they damn well please... not worrying about how well cedega will handle it
[11:24] <Setite> maybe not you
[11:24] <phyberoptix> games suck
[11:24] <Creap> Amaranth: Why shouldn't I mix? aren't they the same packages..
[11:24] <phyberoptix> i bought a ps2 for that
[11:24] <JDahl> Setite, so except for games, what do you really miss in Linux?
[11:24] <Setite> and that is an opinion you are entitled to
[11:24] <spikeb> no they aren't Creap
[11:24] <Amaranth> Creap: Not at all.
[11:24] <Creap> ok
[11:24] <Setite> well so far Opera
[11:24] <Setite> it wouldnt work when i had FC3
[11:25] <spikeb> Creap, different versions
[11:25] <phyberoptix> FC3 is a big file
[11:25] <Setite> fuck yea it is
[11:25] <phyberoptix> 2.3gigs
[11:25] <Setite> and thats the smaller one
[11:25] <Setite> nvm
[11:25] <Creap> well since when i run apt-get update and then try to update old versions of apps, they say i already have the latest
[11:25] <phyberoptix> yeah if you dont go dvd
[11:25] <Setite> im thinking fc2 which is like 4.? gigs
[11:25] <Setite> just because you think that games suck doesnt mean that no one else should have the pleasure of them
[11:25] <broodster> are there any like good linux freebie sites?
[11:26] <Setite> which is why i support the companies working for compatibility
[11:26] <broodster> where u can download some software for linux?
[11:26] <Frafraxy> Amaranth: when the PC is as soon as ignited and start a program 3d goes all good, but if I close the program and I reopen it goes in jerks.
[11:26] <phyberoptix> rpmfind.com
[11:26] <Setite> hehe what a funny question
[11:26] <phyberoptix> or sumtin like that
[11:26] <phyberoptix> u can play Quake
[11:26] <phyberoptix> i hate games tho
[11:26] <Setite> but i dont like quake
[11:27] <Setite> i know you do
[11:27] <Setite> you said so
[11:27] <phyberoptix> unless its for Ps2 or xbox
[11:27] <JDahl> Setite, I am not saying games suck... I am just pointing at this fanatic Linux missionary BS is not neccesarily going to make Linux a better OS
[11:27] <Setite> but at that i say why
[11:27] <Frafraxy> I have as soon as installed the driver, and even if riavvio X the problem remain.  I must riavviare the PC.
[11:27] <phyberoptix> i got 4weeks uptime on my Ps2
[11:27] <Frafraxy> I have as soon as installed the driver, and even if riavvio X the problem remain.  I must restart the PC.
[11:27] <Setite> pc has more games are available... and they are of better quality, larger server size, etc
[11:27] <Creap> where can i find a list of ubuntu apt-get sources then?
[11:27] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:28] <Setite> jdahl... im no fanatic... and i see your point... i just think that a goal of achieving maximum selection is good
[11:28] <Setite> for games, business apps, chat apps, etc
[11:28] <Frafraxy> ?
[11:29] <Frafraxy> my english is bad, excuse me
[11:29] <teuf> I'm trying to install hoary using one of the test images, and the installer hangs during grub installatoin (it's stuck at "Determinign grub boot device"). Does that tell something to anyone ?
[11:30] <Setite> haha someone help the poor kid
[11:30] <Setite> i have no idea how to
[11:30] <Frafraxy> Setite: haha?
[11:30] <JDahl> teuf, did it already detect the harddrives at this point?
[11:31] <teuf> JDahl, yep, I partitioned the hard drive, it copied stuff to them and everything
[11:31] <teuf> but then it hangs there
[11:31] <teuf> this is a sata drive, and I had to change something in the bios to get the installer to see my cdrom drive
[11:31] <teuf> so I'm not that surprised to see the installer having issues with that ;)
[11:32] <JDahl> teuf, yeah... I've had nothing but head-aches over my work machine with Sata (running Sarge).
[11:33] <Frafraxy> Who can help me???
[11:33] <JDahl> teuf, is it a Dell by any chance?
[11:33] <teuf> packard bell
[11:33] <Creap> i have no probs with my sata drive..
[11:33] <JDahl> Creap, are you booting from it?
[11:34] <Creap> yes
[11:34] <Creap> for win i had to install some stuff first
[11:34] <Creap> the ubuntu installer found it instantly though
[11:34] <teuf> I guess I'll give up with the install then, it's my parents' computer, and hopefully I'll soon buy a laptop
[11:35] <zAo^> how can I view RAW pictures in Gthumb? Thanks in advance
[11:37] <JDahl> teuf, I dont know if it's possible in Ubuntu's expert mode install, but in Debian's installer you can manually specify partition for grub
[11:37] <teuf> JDahl, there's an expert mode in the installer ?
[11:37] <teuf> this is the kind of hint I was looking for ;)
[11:37] <JDahl> I cant remember... isnt there?
[11:38] <teuf> dunno, I didn't look
[11:42] <neighborlee> hey peeps i'm still getting that grrrr dain .ICEblah error on startup..must i remove k3b altogether to fix this ?LOL
[11:42] <teuf> JDahl, ok, found it
[11:42] <JDahl> teuf, at least it's worth a try...
[11:43] <teuf> yep
[11:43] <teuf> would be nice if it worked out of the box though ;)
[11:44] <teuf> first it refused to see my cdrom drive, then it ate my windows installation, and now it freezes :-/
[11:46] <drspin> why would you use k3b (kde and QT libs)  on a GNOME based Distro ??
[11:47] <JDahl> drspin, it's a good program... much better than Xcdroast (IMO)
[11:47] <Riddell> drspin: because it's the best CD burning programme there is and most people arn't so concerned what toolkit it's made with
[11:47] <drspin> JDahl: aye - didn't say it was worse...
[11:48] <broodster> hmm
[11:48] <broodster> i can't seem to execute a .bin
[11:48] <crimsun> chmod it executable, then execute it
[11:48] <broodster> i did
[11:48] <crimsun> chmod 500 foo && ./foo
[11:48] <broodster> i did
[11:49] <neighborlee> how does one permanantely fix the .ICEauthority error on startup ? ;-)
[11:49] <broodster> it says
[11:49] <broodster> cannot execute binary file...
[11:49] <will> neighborlee: do you have k3b installed?
[11:50] <crimsun> broodster: file foo
[11:50] <crimsun> broodster: (replace foo with the filename)
[11:51] <Kamion_> teuf: please file a bug on that grub-installer freeze, including /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages if you can get to them (failing that, the visible stuff on alt-f3 and alt-f4)
[11:51] <neighborlee> will, I do
[11:51] <broodster> yah
[11:51] <broodster> i did
[11:51] <broodster> and it says
[11:51] <broodster> cannot execute binary file
[11:51] <Kamion> teuf: I'd like the output of 'ps x' run from the shell on alt-f2 while grub-installer is frozen, too
[11:52] <teuf> Kamion, ok, I'll try to grab that
[11:52] <neighborlee> will, so that has to go to fix this permanantly ?LOL
[11:52] <Kamion> broodster: I bet the filesystem is mounted noexec
[11:52] <neighborlee> will, or until there  is a fix <G>
[11:52] <will> neighborlee: you must uninstall k3b, and k3b setup and reinstall as ROOT do NOT use sudo!
[11:52] <broodster> yah i think so
[11:52] <broodster> how do i fix it?
[11:53] <Kamion> broodster: mount -o remount,exec <filesystem>
[11:53] <broodster> The filename "jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:54] <broodster> umm what do i put in filesystem?
[11:54] <crimsun> wherever your mountpoint is
[11:54] <crimsun> pwd
[11:54] <neighborlee> will, ic thx
[11:54] <teuf> Kamion, where should I file the bug ? ubuntu's bugzilla ?
[11:54] <crimsun> teuf: yes
[11:54] <Kamion> teuf: yes please, component grub-installer
[11:55] <teuf> Kamion, any other stuff you'd need ? I can grab any interesting file from the system
[11:55] <broodster> 0,0?
[11:55] <Kamion> teuf: just looking at the code now
[11:55] <Kamion> broodster: type 'df', look down the left-hand column for the best match to the directory you're in
[11:56] <will> neighborlee: there is a howto somewhere,,,,but i cant find it. try the forums :)
[11:56] <neighborlee> np
[11:57] <broodster> k this is what im typing
[11:57] <Kamion> teuf: had you already answered any other grub-related questions
[11:57] <Kamion> ?
[11:57] <broodster> sudo mount -o remount, exec /dev/hdb1
[11:57] <will> neighborlee: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988?portal_status_message=Welcome.+You+are+now+logged+in.
[11:57] <Kamion> when I omitted the space between remount, and exec I meant to do so
[11:58] <Kamion> "remount,exec", not "remount, exec"
[11:58] <broodster> oh
[11:58] <broodster> =]
[11:58] <broodster> thanks
[11:58] <broodster> but i still can't open the .bin >_<
[11:58] <teuf> Kamion, nope, the installer copied stuff to the hard disk, then went on to install grub, and hung there (at 33%)
[11:59] <Kamion> teuf: can you reproduce this when starting the installer from scratch? if so, you could try something for me