[09:04] <rizal_oprex> hi all
[12:31] <rhkfin_> Hi! Is it worth doing a bugrep about HP XE3 (old, yes) hotkeys that don't give no keycodes with showkey or acpid or xev?
[12:32] <rhkfin_> Hibernate, power, brightness, numbad work but volume, mute & contrast dont.
[12:33] <rhkfin_> Well, then there are some play/stop/skip -buttons but I'd think they'll never work, they are for 'power off cd playing'
[01:16] <rhkfin_> Does anyone know if it is possible to get hotkeys working that give nothing with 'showkey', 'acpid', or 'xev'?
[04:15] <rhkfin_> Does anyone know if it is possible to get hotkeys working that give nothing with 'showkey', 'acpid', or 'xev'? (Sorry for asking it 'all the time' :)
[06:09] <kensho> hello
[09:05] <ewanm89> Is the template going to be updated now Feisty is out?
[09:27] <Nailor> Well, you can just add the extra column there
[10:10] <ewanm89> And change the headings?


[03:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/kde-software-center-discover-improvements
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> ok its happening kpti
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> updated to .25.26
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-releases-ubuntu-kernel-and-nvidia-updates-to-fix-meltdown-and-spectre-519305.shtml
[03:59] <TJ-> morning lotuspsychje ... it's been a long night sorting out regressions for the PTI kernels
[04:00] <Sveta> this whole 'kernel' thing is disproportionately large and monstrous and i'm not terribly happy with it, but it works so i'm trying to stop thinking of it
[04:00] <TJ-> Sveta: how do you mean?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah i bet!
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> tnx for helping out TJ-
[04:04] <Sveta> TJ-: too many components
[04:04] <TJ-> Sveta: you mean the number of different kernel packages?
[04:06] <TJ-> I managed to reproduce the lost NIC link detection on identical hardware... was writing up the bug report... the issue stopped happening! so now I'm not sure what was going on. Going to try it on a 3rd identical device later today
[06:42] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:43] <alkisg> Good morning ducasse, hi everyone
[06:45] <ducasse> hi alkisg \o - all good?
[06:46] <alkisg> All well! Except.. troubleshooting netbooted clients' shutdown issues due to systemd. Not _very_ fun... :D
[06:46] <alkisg> How are you?
[06:47] <ducasse> i'm fine, thanks - just about to feed the cat so she'll stop pestering me :)
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:16] <ducasse> morning, lordievader - all well today?
[07:16] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:21] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks - got the heat turned way up and relaxing inside
[07:24] <lotuspsychje_> hey guys
[07:25] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje_
[08:02] <lotuspsychje_> bbl guys work
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:24] <BluesKaj> HI EriC^^
[12:38] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[12:43] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[12:43] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[12:44] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, EriC^^ :)
[12:45] <pauljw> you guys do okay with the kernel update this morning?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> so far so good pauljw
[12:46] <pauljw> good, same here...
[12:47] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj pauljw
[12:47] <lordievader> How are you guys doing?
[12:48] <pauljw> hi lordievader, doing well, you?
[12:48] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> just switched vpn servers, probly be gone for a while , this one seems to be throttling
[13:12] <TJ-> Hmmm, whyever does mount/kernel rely on symlinks rather than block device nodes. symlinks can break and then the system gets very confused
[15:09] <ducasse> alkisg: well, that was fun :)
[15:09] <alkisg> Hehe
[15:09] <alkisg> Fortunately I got used to it after years in IRC
[15:10] <alkisg> The first times it happened I was very frustrated, I even left IRC for a few months
[15:10] <ducasse> all too common, unfortunately...
[15:11] <alkisg> Yeah, I've seen much worse :)
[15:12] <daftykins> ?
[15:13] <ducasse> so have i, but it was still amusing :)
[15:14] <ducasse> daftykins: "i want software that does x and y by using magic"
[15:14] <TJ-> Be fun being a fly on the wall the first time they lose concurrent edits due to 'VFS'
[22:25] <tdprb> Looking for a Crypto Pump and Dump Group? Coin is chosen by the people, we are equitable and fair. Join the fastest growing PnD on Discord! https://discord.gg/4utTPvC
[22:25] <nacc> spam?
[22:28] <tsimonq2> \/or
[22:28] <tsimonq2> grr
[23:16] <hggdh> yep


[01:24] <nalioth> m4v: don't go spamming up freenode now, okay?   :P
[01:25] <m4v> nalioth: I won't! thanks :)
[01:25] <nalioth> da nada
[19:07] <tsimpson> jpds: can you make sure you're running a recent version of Encyclopedia for newish variable substitution ($curRelease et all)
[19:08] <tsimpson> ubot4: shipit
[19:08] <ubot4> Shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org - Shipit will send !$curStable ($curStableNum) CDs
[19:08] <tsimpson> those ones
[21:06] <max> helo
[21:06] <max> hello
[21:08] <Guest15185> i have a problem with my audio card in ubuntu 9.10, it's nothing hard, but it's annoing: I have a "clack" sound every time I play a sound when the audio card is playing nothing for 20-30 sec. It seems like the audio card wake up from standby and makes that noise. Any way to solve this? in the 9.04 everything was ok
[21:09] <DJones> Guest15185: This isn't a normal support channel, you stand a better chance of a response if you join #ubuntu and ask the question there
[21:09] <Guest15185> ok sorry
[21:10] <DJones> Guest15185: No problem, its normally pretty quiet in here, just thought it was better to point you towards the main support channel rather than you getting frustrated here
[21:10] <Guest15185> dio card in ubuntu 9.10, it's nothing hard, but it's annoing: I have a "clack" sound every time I play a sound when the audio card is playing nothing for 20-30 sec. It seems like the audio card wake up from standby and makes that noise. Any way to solve this? in the 9.04 everything was ok
[21:11] <Guest15185> (sorry copied and pasted from previuous conversation) I have that problem with my audio card can you help me?
[21:13] <DJones> Guest15185: I'm sorry, I don't have a lot of experience with sound problems, I'm using old hardware which has always worked first time
[21:13] <Guest15185> :( ok thanx, anyone else can help me?
[21:55] <nikola> hello
[21:55] <nikola> can someone, help me please?
[21:57] <LjL> nikola: what with?
[21:58] <nikola> im trying to install ubuntu
[21:58] <nikola> on my 1tb harddisk
[21:58] <nikola> i have already installed it
[21:59] <nikola> but after install boot it doesnt start after
[21:59] <nikola> choose normal ubuntu start option
[21:59] <nikola> simply black screen
[22:00] <nikola> is shown
[22:00] <nikola> must ubuntu be installed on same partition as windows?
[22:01] <LjL> nikola: the support channel for Ubuntu is #ubuntu
[22:01] <nikola> ok
[22:01] <LjL> also, no, you should NOT install ubuntu on the same partition as windows unless you want to wipe windows.
[22:02] <nikola> ok ty
[22:20] <jpds> tsimpson: That should be ubot2 done.
[22:22] <jpds> And it's not for some reason.
[22:27] <tsimpson> jpds: erm, my fault. I didn't commit the code...
[22:27] <jpds> tsimpson: ....
[22:28] <tsimpson> I thought I did during the last merge with ubottu, apparently not
[22:33]  * jpds waits for the code to land. :)
[22:34] <tsimpson> pushed to r149 waiting for LP
[22:34] <tsimpson> *r140
[22:37] <tsimpson> should be up now
[22:40] <tsimpson> working?
[22:41] <jpds> Testing.
[22:42] <jpds> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/325652/
[22:43] <tsimpson> gerr, missing ')'
[22:44] <tsimpson> r141 waiting for LP
[22:45] <tsimpson> (basically add a ')' on the end of line 660)
[22:45] <jpds> Come on crowberry.
[22:47] <jpds> tsimpson: That did it.
[22:47] <tsimpson> :)
[22:48] <tsimpson> just remember there's a few new config vars you'll need to change at release/eol times
[22:51] <jpds> Beats climbing Mount Royal.
[22:54] <jpds> No bzr on ubot4's box, time for some rsync'ing.
[22:58] <jpds> tsimpson: Fixed on ubot4 too.
[22:58] <tsimpson> good :)
[22:59] <jpds> tsimpson: Now, go and implement storm support!
[22:59] <tsimpson> yeah, I'll put it on the end of my to-do list
[22:59] <tsimpson> so expect it sometime after 2020 :p
[23:18] <ubot2> trudell called the ops in #kubuntu-bugs ()


[00:36] <Takyoji> heh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=don't%20cha%20know
[00:37]  * tonyyarusso lols @ "see also: 'could be worse'"
[00:45] <tonyyarusso> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minnesotan&defid=2413452
[00:46] <Takyoji> hah
[00:47] <tonyyarusso> pretty sure the only ones that don't apply to me involve things that happened before I was born
[00:47] <tonyyarusso> eg voting for Mondale
[00:48] <sparklehistory> Wait, you mean that stuff isn't normal?
[00:49] <tonyyarusso> Apparently.
[00:51] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[00:51] <Alpha_Cluster> nice find tony
[00:57] <kermit> i didnt read it all, but did it have "you call anyone who's moved here in the last decade the 'new guy'"
[00:58] <tonyyarusso> lol, it did not, but it should
[00:58] <tonyyarusso> The "new guy" rule is that you will be "new guy" eternally until someone else is newer, so hope for high turnover.
[00:58] <kermit> yeah
[00:59] <kermit> in most places "where are you from?" means stat state are you from.. here it means what suburb are you from
[00:59] <kermit> when i say "here" then people find out i grew up in Eagan, they say "i thought you said you were from minneapolis"
[00:59] <kermit> i just stare blankly.
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> That question is clearly context-dependent.
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> If someone at the coffee shop asks me, I tell them the nearest major intersection.  Across town, which suburb.  Online, Minnesota.
[01:00] <kermit> er stat/what
[01:00] <kermit> i meant, when people from here ask me that
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> I only say Mpls if I really really have to though, since I'm east of the river.
[01:01] <kermit> i say 'here' if i'm within 300 miles of here
[01:01] <kermit> as it's still the closest metro
[01:01] <kermit> not that i'm ever farther away than 10 miles
[03:02]  * tonyyarusso wonders how h00k's presentation prep is going
[04:45]  * tonyyarusso guesses he bailed on the prep and went to bed early
[20:15] <Takyoji> 2 days until the Day Against DRM (May 4)
[20:28] <kermit> should i hand out pirated dvd screeners to random people on the screen?
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> LOL
[21:53]  * tonyyarusso is watching h00k get grilled about translations/localizations on the recording
[21:54] <tonyyarusso> To answer, we would of course like to address as much as possible, but it becomes a matter of priorities.
[21:54] <tonyyarusso> Things like making sure "y" works with apt are of course pretty darn important, although kind of side notes rather than the central goal.
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> For localizations like keyboard layouts, that is something I see in the long-term plan, but not something we're looking at right now.  That's one reason for addressing the Fiero-Nichols orthography first, since it uses the same alphabet/keyboard as English and is therefore much easier.
[21:56] <tonyyarusso> At some point in the distant future, it would be nice to support both Fiero-Nichols and Canadian Syllabics, as well as adding in some custom themes and artwork and who knows what else, but any of that stuff comes about as interest and resources become available.
[21:59] <tonyyarusso> oooooh, OpenGL transitions are purrrdy
[22:00] <tonyyarusso> h00k: LoCos can become "Approved".
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> Wisconsin Linux Users Group is somewhat of an anomaly - almost all LUGs are city-based.  Originally some LoCos followed a similar approach (Chicago), but that is discouraged now, with things being done at the parent level with sub-groups for cities where appropriate.
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> Of course, having active cities as well is fantastic.
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> Fedora does indeed attempt to have some sort of community thing - they call it their "Ambassodors program".  I looked into it though, and it very much inactive - I found one guy in MN.  :(
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> I think Gentoo may have something similar?  Nothing anywhere near the scale to which Ubuntu does.
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> also, AFAIK the US is the only country that is not organized primarily on the country level, although like the cities here, many subgroups exist.
[22:07] <tonyyarusso> If you didn't already know, for contacts in nearby states for possible coordination, we have:  greg-g in Michigan, nixternal in Chicago, IL, MTecknology in South Dakota, and AtomicSpark in Iowa.  Nobody for ND.
[22:08] <tonyyarusso> wait, somebody's talking about moving to WordPress?  But Drupal is teh awesomez!
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> Nearest Canadian seems to be in Winnipeg, but their actual activity is primarily in Victoria/Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal.
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> Gnome 2.30!  Not 2.3...
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> It's like Ubuntu releases - the zeros matter.
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> For anyone who's really confused now, http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6623287


[17:30] <irgendwer4711> hi, I think, I found a problem with intel_microcode and initramfs. This hook destroys the initramfs cpio.


[03:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> trolly
[04:51] <oerheks> yes
[20:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue789 now available to our reading public. Our new presentation: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-789/36031. What do yall think ? Like it ?


[00:53] <ali1234> mlankhorst: is there a ppa anywhere that will get me DRI3 and Present?
[01:17] <Sarvatt> ali1234: theres no driver support upstream yet except obscure branches that may or may not work, i doubt it
[01:17] <ali1234> i don't need driver support at this point - present should "work" without driver support
[01:18] <ali1234> at least in the sense it will display things on the screen. just won't be vsynced yet
[01:19] <Sarvatt> hmm, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging then?
[01:19] <Sarvatt> no it needs mesa git also
[01:21] <ali1234> i guess i'll put this on hold until more stuff filters through
[03:18] <eigma> [precise 12.04.3] trying to troubleshoot Unity greeter's 'Shutdown' being broken. tracked it down to /usr/lib/indicator-session/gtk-logout-helper hitting a dbus AccessDenied when calling ConsoleKit Stop method. can reproduce using dbus-send. how do I troubleshoot from here?
[03:19] <eigma> *error is actually org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.NotPrivileged
[07:07] <pitti> Good morning
[07:07] <larsu> good morning !
[08:44] <mlankhorst>  ali1234 no
[08:44] <mlankhorst> ali1234: but preliminary stuff is ready
[08:45] <mlankhorst> ali1234: grab the xorg-server from that ppa and you only need to compile your own ddx and own mesa.git
[08:45] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:45] <mlankhorst> ohai
[08:45] <pitti> hey seb128, morning mlankhorst
[08:46] <mlankhorst> haithere
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: not too bad; a bit tired still from the weekend
[08:47] <pitti> it was a long car drive there (Fri) and back (yesterday) and a quite long/intense Saturday
[08:47] <pitti> there == Hamburg, we visited a friend there who recently moved there
[08:47] <seb128> oh, what did you do?
[08:47] <seb128> I see
[08:48] <pitti> so we did a sightseeing tour, a port cruise, and the Reeperbahn in the evening
[08:48] <didrocks> hey seb128, pitti!
[08:48] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! as-tu eu un bon week-end ?
[08:49] <didrocks> pitti: bon week-end! we bought some new furnitures for the kitchen, so no visiting for us :)
[08:50] <didrocks> also, got unity broken over the week-end, trying to trick popey to see if he can reproduce
[08:50] <seb128> didrocks, lut
[08:50] <seb128> oh, "fun"
[08:51]  * seb128 notes to not upgrade
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: I guess you're fine, it was published the 7 of January
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: I had unity marked on hold
[08:51] <seb128> oh, ok
[08:51] <didrocks> I unmarked it on Friday, dist-upgraded
[08:51] <seb128> yeah, no issue here then
[08:51] <didrocks> but didn't reboot
[08:51] <didrocks> until Saturday :p
[08:51] <seb128> what's the issue?
[08:52] <didrocks> the stacktrace is weird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6784761/
[08:52] <didrocks> I don't see anything stricking/hurting my eyes here
[08:52] <didrocks> also, I tried to report it with apport-bug
[08:52] <didrocks> but I saw the apport-gtk process running
[08:52] <didrocks> but no windows
[08:52] <didrocks> not sure how since we have this whoopsie thing how it works
[08:53] <didrocks> and 30 minutes after trying to report it, nothing on errors.ubuntu.com
[08:54] <didrocks> so, I reverted to previous nux and unity (the one not rebuilt against glew 1.10) and it's working
[08:58] <seb128> glew issues, fun
[08:59] <didrocks> yeah, I see nothing showing that on the stack
[08:59]  * didrocks is sad the once again, foundation did the upload totally untested with us and uncoordinated
[08:59] <didrocks> that*
[09:00] <didrocks> seb128: I'm still wondering why apport-gtk didn't show up though, even if whoopsie is enabled, when I tell "report it", it should use apport (as enabled on my system), right?
[09:00]  * didrocks is totally lost with whoopsie
[09:00] <didrocks> but I see a .upload and .uploaded and I have no idea where this is :/
[09:01] <pitti> didrocks: where do you tell it "report it"? that should already be apport
[09:01] <pitti> didrocks: system settings -> privacy -> diagnosis -> show previous reports
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, not sure it's "totally untested", that update seems to be working for most of us
[09:01] <pitti> didrocks: that should lead you to "your" errors.u.c. page
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: well, I doubt it ran under the 3 otto machines
[09:02] <didrocks> seb128: hence the "with us"
[09:02] <didrocks> pitti: ah nice, let me see :)
[09:02] <seb128> yeah, not likely, but to be fair I don't test every archive upload I do on the otto machines either
[09:02] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but you don't upload nux and unity :)
[09:02] <pitti> didrocks: that web page is rather unfriendly ATM, it only shows hashes; it should show projects, dates, etc.
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: if I want to transition something on glib, I would ask you first ;)
[09:03] <didrocks> pitti: hum, let me click around
[09:03] <seb128> yeah
[09:03] <seb128> didrocks, in any case, e.u.c doesn't rank any unity bug
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: compiz-core crash?
[09:04] <didrocks> seems it's https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/a8ea9f18-8068-11e3-a0f6-2c768aafd08c
[09:04] <didrocks> pitti: but it's not retraced from what I see
[09:04] <pitti> yeah, or retrace failed
[09:04] <didrocks> pitti: and there is no more apport asking us if we want to file a bug in launchpad, if apport is enabled?
[09:05] <pitti> I noticed that on a lot of whoopsie reports, it seems to have trouble with trusty
[09:05] <Laney> morning!
[09:05] <pitti> didrocks: not ATM; we might actually re-enable it for alpha-2; seb128, WDYT?
[09:05] <pitti> didrocks: it's still disabled from the saucy release
[09:05] <pitti> we traditionally re-enable LP crashes around alpha-2
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: it's a flag on the desktop which isn't /etc/default/apport?
[09:06] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:06] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:06] <pitti> didrocks: no, it's problem_types in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[09:06] <pitti> didrocks: if you comment out/drop that line, it'll report crashes to LP
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: so, don't set any default?
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, re-enabling, wfm, I've no strong opinion, I look more at whoopsie than launchpad nowadays
[09:07] <seb128> not enough free slot to keep with launchpad
[09:07] <pitti> ^ yes, that's why I don't want to re-enable LP crashes too early
[09:07] <didrocks> pitti: thanks, I was really wondering wth with apport enabled, I couldn't get a "normal" apport report in launchpad! ;)
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: we don't change /e/d/apport any more since we use whoopsie
[09:08] <didrocks> ok, so apport always "report"
[09:08] <pitti> as evan has a rather strong opinion about leaving this enabled in stables
[09:08] <didrocks> and this file change the direction
[09:08] <pitti> right
[09:08] <didrocks> destination*
[09:08] <pitti> either to errors.u.c. only, or additionally to LP
[09:08] <didrocks> ok, making sense, at least, that would have teach me a little bit how this works now :)
[09:08] <didrocks> thanks pitti!
[09:09] <didrocks> now on why it's not retraced
[09:09]  * didrocks is pinging ev
[09:10] <didrocks> seb128: I hope it's really only my configuration, will get a confirmation with popey (he's upgrading his x220)
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128 pitti didrocks!
[09:10] <didrocks> I tried to drop all my favorites under /com/canonical in case it was a launcher icon for instance
[09:10] <Laney> sounds like a fun monday start ;-)
[09:10] <didrocks> (as it seems to fails here)
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, well, at least it's not most of us, if it's there for some 10 days (nobody complained)
[09:10] <didrocks> Laney: well, it's fun on the phone ML as well ;))
[09:11] <seb128> didrocks, did you try a guest session?
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I thought. I hope though it's not this graphic-card related
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: hum… I lost my old habits I guess
[09:11]  * didrocks should try
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: ok, now I'm puzzled
[09:19] <didrocks> hum, ok, it restarted here as well now
[09:19] <didrocks> both guest and my session wth
[09:19]  * didrocks unlogs and comes back
[09:22] <didrocks> ok, can't reproduce it anymore
[09:22] <didrocks> restarted lightdm
[09:22] <didrocks> tried 2 monitors, then one, like yesterday
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, weird, maybe it was something in your launcher config?
[09:23] <didrocks> so not related to my graphic card as I thought :/
[09:23] <didrocks> seb128: no, I tried to empty it
[09:23] <didrocks> dconf dump /com/canonical (even indicators then)
[09:23] <didrocks> then dconf reset -f…
[09:23] <didrocks> was still crashing
[09:23] <didrocks> then, I reloaded my config
[09:23] <didrocks> and was again crashing of course
[09:24] <seb128> weird
[09:25] <didrocks> I'm out of ideas and don't like to call that a "non issue anymore"
[09:25] <popey> this was just a ploy to get me to update to trusty wasn't it? :D
[09:25] <didrocks> popey: yeah, all that in that end! :)
[09:25] <didrocks> popey: sorry, I was really thinking it was x200-configuration related ;)
[09:25] <didrocks> x220*
[09:25] <popey> np
[09:26] <seb128> that's a strange one in any case
[09:26] <seb128> ok, I'm dropping offline for like 10min
[09:26] <seb128> brb
[09:38] <Laney> ooo
[09:40] <Laney> mlankhorst: do you know about this kind of thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/6784936/ ?
[09:51] <mlankhorst> yeah something messed up, no idea what yet :P
[09:51] <mlankhorst> Laney: probably some kernel upgrade?
[09:52] <Laney> there was one
[09:53] <Laney> apport is offering me a bug report
[09:56] <mlankhorst> not sure a bug report would be helpful
[10:05] <seb128> Sweetshark, happy birthday!
[10:12] <Laney> birthday bumps
[10:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: thx. btw I put 4.2.0~rc2 in the PPA for trusty (and the always awesome ricotz already bumped it back for saucy too). Its looking good in general and is also building on trusty/armhf. There was one hickup with a dependency of a transitional, but that is fixed now.
[10:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, \o/
[10:23] <Sweetshark> seb128:  so I guess, what I am trying to say is: If nobody is screaming protests, IMHO we should go to trusty/main with that one as it is now.
[10:25] <mlankhorst> do pitchforks count?
[10:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will walk through the remaining --with-system-$foo switches and see if it would be good and worth the risk to debian-sync/MIR/whatever them and build against those, but we shouldnt do all that with one upload.
[10:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, +1 from me to upload to trusty
[10:26] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: Dont attack LibreOffice with forks. We'll beat you with our experience on that one.
[10:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, btw we should maybe take the new poppler (soname transition) before uploading libreoffice ... you said libreoffice didn't seem to be using the API that change, to you want to test build that or something?
[10:27] <Sweetshark> seb128: testbuilding sounds good. When is the poppler transition estimated to take place?
[10:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, "whenever it's convenient for libreoffice"
[10:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, the other rdepends are easy to rebuild, it's only 1 function that changed
[10:29] <Sweetshark> seb128: is that new poppler upload in some ppa or something already? or already in -proposed?
[10:30] <seb128> Sweetshark, no, the diffs are on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/1256627, I can upload to the desktop team ppa if that helps though
[10:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256627 in poppler (Ubuntu) "New upstream release, merge with Debian" [Wishlist,New]
[10:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: the other thing I tried to solve is to get back my ~90minutes binary builds locally on the notebook. sadly that didnt work out. I optimized my pbuilder setup, disabled xz compression of .debs (which take another hour), but somehow could get ccache to do anything else than cache misses. So still at 7,5 hours builds, which is a pain. :(
[10:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: diffs should do, thx.
[10:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, great, let me know how that goes ;-)
[10:34] <Sweetshark> seb128: willdo. ... In ~14 hours ...
[12:25] <davmor2> davidcalle: Hey dude, scopes... if I type in weather on the phone or desktop (13.10 and 14.04) in theory is should show me the location for my area correct?  If  so I think it might be failing :(
[12:27] <Sweetshark> seb128: that poppler patch does a "dh_install --list-missing\n dh_install: libpoppler44 missing files (usr/lib/*/libpoppler.so.44*), aborting" here ...
[12:27] <seb128> Sweetshark, what version did you build?
[12:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, http://poppler.freedesktop.org/poppler-0.24.5.tar.xz ?
[12:28] <Sweetshark> seb128: apt-get source poppler && patch -p1 patch-from-1256627
[12:28] <Sweetshark> seb128: argh, k
[12:28] <seb128> Sweetshark, right, that patch is a new version update
[12:29] <seb128> that's a bit confusing
[12:29] <seb128> basically take that tarball and copy the debian dir over
[12:30] <Sweetshark> seb128: yeah, I just saw the huge patch and thought its a full diff (not just ./debian)
[12:31] <davidcalle> davmor2, hey. There has been some unexpected API changes from the provider, it's being fixed.
[12:32] <davmor2> davidcalle: ah nice okay if it is known I shall go back to my corner :)
[12:35] <Sweetshark> seb128: are you sure about the poppler-0.24.5.tar.xz? because the patch talks about 24.3->24.4 not 5.
[12:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, .5 seems a small bug fix over .4, the API change is in .4
[12:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, so either would do
[12:38] <davidcalle> davmor2, hehe, thanks for the feeback, though ;) (fun fact about this bug : it's more likely to happen if it's past mid-day in you local timezone, can you confirm it is ?)
[12:39] <davmor2> davidcalle: 12:38 I will check tomorrow first thing and see if works then though to confirm
[12:39] <davidcalle> davmor2, thanks :)
[12:52] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: twas because the patch didnt apply cleanly on the changelog, so I was left with the old version there m(
[12:57]  * Laney yays at the glib-networking flaky tests getting fixed
[13:42]  * Sweetshark finds missing dependencies in the upstream build.
[13:43] <Sweetshark> With 32 threads you find all those that others miss.
[13:43]  * Sweetshark wants your sympathy.
[13:57] <Sweetshark> hmmm, without l10n, the build is 13GB -- I could squeeze that in a tmpfs ...
[14:18] <Laney> sil2100: hi, do you know if your grilo patch was forwarded?
[14:19]  * mlankhorst compiles Sweetshark into plain english
[14:19] <Laney> http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/ ?
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see the backlog from the sdk guys on friday evening? they replied to your autopilot error question
[14:30] <Laney> seb128: yes, I replied
[14:30] <seb128> ok, I don't IRC proxy so I didn't see that
[14:30] <Laney> I'm waiting for elowotsit to come online
[14:30] <seb128> ok
[14:30] <Laney> basically I don't think it's helpful as this is not a listview
[14:30] <seb128> the licenses panel?
[14:31] <Laney> about
[14:31] <seb128> ah, I though you said you had issues with the licences list
[14:31] <Laney> It's Column { ListItem ListItem ListItem ... }
[14:31] <Laney> it can't select the button to get into the page
[14:31] <Laney> the license page
[14:31] <seb128> I see
[14:32] <seb128> I wonder if autopilot is the right tech for those tests
[14:32] <seb128> it's a tech for integration tests
[14:32] <seb128> we should maybe look at doing the UI tests with the qt runner stuff
[14:33] <seb128> qmltestrunner (was looking for the name)
[14:34] <Laney> dunno, some integration testing is definitely valuable
[14:35] <seb128> right
[14:35] <seb128> we should have both imho
[14:36] <seb128> the tests checking that e.g panels load by clicking and checking there is a title are purely UI ones
[14:36] <seb128> they probably don't need autopilot
[14:38] <Laney> yeah I agree we should have both
[14:38] <Laney> the uitk is a good example of QtQuickTest unit tests
[14:39] <seb128> there was an email about that on the phablet list back then
[14:39] <seb128> the thinking was mainly "if you just need to test UI/app logic, use the qt tools, it's less work and less slowness/delays", "use autopilot for integration tests though"
[14:42] <Laney> oops, forgot to have lunch, brb!
[14:42] <seb128> haha
[14:42] <seb128> Laney, enjoy ;-)
[15:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: dpkg-buildpackage: full upload (original source is included)\n real58m37.657s
[15:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: seems that libreoffice does not barf all over poppler 0.24.4
[15:14] <seb128> great!
[15:49] <desrt> Laney: our poor tests :(
[15:49] <Laney> hah
[15:50] <Laney> danw fixed the glib-networking one
[15:50] <desrt> we need a revert-testcase policy
[15:50] <desrt> actually, probably we don't need that
[15:51] <desrt> since it's quite possible that new tests or changes in existing tests are finding real bugs
[15:52]  * desrt is just getting sick of the 90%+ experience of "it's just the test doing dumb stuff"
[15:52] <Laney> I'd like to know what's so pathological about Ubuntu's buildds and the CI environment
[15:52] <desrt> Laney: heavy load, i think
[15:52] <desrt> when i 'make distcheck' it's the only thing i'm doing
[15:52] <Laney> the buildds only build one thing at a time
[15:52] <desrt> i thought they were vms
[15:52] <Laney> non-virtually
[15:52] <desrt> huh
[15:52] <Laney> PPAs are virtualised
[15:53] <Laney> but not the main distro builders
[15:53] <Laney> maybe they're just old crappy machines
[15:54] <desrt> maybe for weird arches
[15:54] <desrt> but i guess our x86/amd64 builders are pretty decent
[15:56] <Laney> hey
[15:57] <Laney> didn't we have a thing a while ago where we ran some gnome upstream testsuites?
[15:57]  * ogra_ is pretty sure you wont find much faster armhf HW than our buildds :P
[16:00] <Laney> pitti: ^ what happened to these jhbuild runs?
[16:00] <Laney> did they go away with the advent of continuous?
[16:02] <pitti> Laney: mostly yes; and we didn't really keep up the manpower for maintaining those with the changed focus on uphone
[16:03] <Laney> nod
[16:20] <desrt> i love you posix
[16:20] <desrt>        EINVAL The value specified by cond, mutex, or abstime is invalid.
[16:21] <desrt> what's wrong?  who knows.. could be anything!
[16:30] <xclaesse> Hmm, I've got evolution-data-server-uoa installed, but my google account still does not appear in evolution :(
[16:31] <xclaesse> with ubutnu 14.04
[16:31] <seb128> xclaesse, did you just add it?
[16:31] <xclaesse> seb128, I realized that I had e-d-s-goa installed and removing it made -uoa replace it
[16:32] <xclaesse> seb128, I tried deleting and recreate my google account, but still it does not appear in evo
[16:32] <seb128> hum
[16:32] <seb128> can you reinstall -goa?
[16:32] <seb128> (e.g have both)
[16:32] <seb128> then try again?
[16:32] <seb128> I wonder if that issue is back (needs to look that split again)
[16:33] <seb128> it might be that the goa binary has stuff that should be common to both (we had the issue in the past and went forth and back, so it might be buggy again in trusty)
[16:33] <seb128> shrug
[16:34] <seb128> Laney 0 - 1 webkitgtk
[16:34] <seb128> :-(
[16:34] <Laney> haha
[16:34] <Laney> it's way more than 1
[16:34] <xclaesse> seb128, success !
[16:35] <xclaesse> seb128, yep, installing -goa made it work
[16:35] <seb128> xclaesse, ok, thanks for reporting the issue
[16:35] <xclaesse> or maybe it is because the account is configured into goa? dunno...
[16:36] <xclaesse> seb128, is there a trick to get the GOA panel on ubuntu ?
[16:36] <seb128> xclaesse, I need to check, but iirc it was because the goa binary has code needed by uoa
[16:37] <seb128> xclaesse, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME gnome-control-center
[16:37] <xclaesse> I see that goa-daemon is actually running
[16:37] <seb128> yeah, if it's installed it's running
[16:37] <seb128> some stuff dbus activate it iirc (it's not installed by default though)
[16:38] <xclaesse> ok, removed all my accounts there, and evo still has the google account, so it's from UOA :)
[16:38] <seb128> good ;-)
[17:07] <Laney> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126985
[17:07] <ubot2> bugs.webkit.org bug 126985 in Web Template Framework "Source/WTF/wtf/Atomics.h:300: Error: bad register name `%bpl'" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[17:07] <Laney> I might wait to see if it builds everywhere else though
[17:15] <xclaesse> hm, 14.04 is not ready with CSD :(
[17:15] <xclaesse> deja-dup-preference does not have decorator
[17:16] <xclaesse> and close button is at right, without ubuntu style
[17:18] <xclaesse> seb128, hm, when deja-dup is doing its automatic backup, there is no icon in the ubuntu launchers anymore
[17:18] <xclaesse> no indication that something happens
[17:18] <xclaesse> that's a regression since 13.10
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, ^
[17:19] <mterry> curious...
[17:19] <mterry> I will look
[17:19] <xclaesse> there were a nice progress bar on the launcher icon previously
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, btw, what are you doing working on a national U.S holiday?
[17:19] <xclaesse> maybe it removed something, because I don't find the icon it all apps
[17:20] <xclaesse> and it's not in the gnome-control-settings neither
[17:20] <mterry> seb128, :)  eh, I'm not working hard
[17:20] <seb128> xclaesse, mterry: seems to be an issue with the unity-control-center transition
[17:20] <seb128> I've the panel in unity-control-center, not in g-c-c.real
[17:21] <seb128> xclaesse, we started a transition but it's not done yet, seems to be a side effect
[17:21] <xclaesse> seb128, ah, unity-control-center is not installed
[17:21] <seb128> xclaesse, renaming our patch g-c-c to u-c-c so the GNOME remix can provide a less patched/more uptodate version
[17:21] <xclaesse> I've got gnome-control-center-unity
[17:21] <seb128> xclaesse, yeah, it's not supposed to be yet, some panels didn't transition ... well you can install both
[17:22] <xclaesse> seb128, ok, backup is in unity-control-center :)
[17:22] <seb128> yeah
[17:23] <seb128> that doesn't explain the lack of launcher integration while it's backuping though
[17:26] <mterry> Huh, "Backup" should show up in both right now
[17:28] <xclaesse> tbf, maybe my system isn't correctly upgraded, update-manager just crashed when I tried to upgrade from 13.10
[17:28] <xclaesse> so I did a plain apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:30] <xclaesse> Hmm, 2014, and still the firefox window asking for password when accessing an https page is totally hidden
[17:30] <xclaesse> have to move around all my windows to see where it's hiding behind
[17:30] <xclaesse> is it that complicated to have everything in alt-tab ?
[17:31] <xclaesse> something with transiant/modal windows
[17:43] <seb128> have a good even everyone
[19:07] <WaVeR> Hi folks, with the last update from gnome3-team (screensaver) is no more working
[19:07] <WaVeR> some one have the same issue?
[19:08] <WaVeR> also change/switch user is no more working
[19:19] <WaVeR> looks like gnome-screensaver doesn't run with the session
[19:41] <xclaesse> Hm, evolution often silently closes because it crash and no crash report seems to be created, dunno why...
[19:41] <xclaesse> here is the backtrace though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6787703/
[19:41] <xclaesse> ubuntu 14.04
[19:42] <xclaesse> maybe I told apport to stop reporting evolution issues a while ago, don't remember
[21:32] <Laney> xclaesse: I see similar results in rh's bugzilla - I'd report it directly upstream if I were you
[21:33] <Laney> we don't really have code patches to evo


[00:10] <TheMuso> c
[00:11] <TheMuso> ugh wrong tab
[06:15] <a_cuozzo> How is everyone?
[06:15] <a_cuozzo> I have a question regarding package submission.
[06:16] <pwnguin> no chokeholds
[06:17] <a_cuozzo> lol
[06:18] <a_cuozzo> I am interested in making a debian package of Tom Christiansen's Perl Power Tools.
[06:19] <ScottK> a_cuozzo: #ubuntu-motu is a better channel for how to package questions.
[06:19] <a_cuozzo> Ah, I know how to make the package.
[06:19] <a_cuozzo> I was wondering if there would be any interest in submitting it to the repos.
[06:20] <a_cuozzo> Where can I find out if there would be an interest in submitting it?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> a_cuozzo: you need #ubuntu-motu
[06:21] <a_cuozzo> Okay, I will go there. Thank you :)
[09:05] <kagou> Good morning
[10:11] <tjaalton> ion_: could you check bug 182237
[10:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182237 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "restricted manager does not recognize nvidia 8600M GT on hardy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182237
[10:12] <tjaalton> nvidia_supported doesn't work anymore for 169.07
[10:21] <ion_> tjaalton: I’ll take a look at it.
[10:26] <tjaalton> ion_: great, thanks
[10:28] <Usiu> Hi, Do you import additonal packages to 7.10 or its freezed ?
[10:28] <persia> Usiu: We can import, but evaluate new packages to make sure they don't break anything else.
[10:29] <StevenK> 7.10 is frozen
[10:29] <persia> Ah.  Right.  My mistake.  7.10 is frozen.  8.04 is open.
[10:29] <StevenK> It's released, and finished with, except for critical bug fixes and security updates.
[10:30] <Usiu> Ok thanks
[10:36] <scizzo-> I am not sure if it is of any interest to put in ubuntu now but there is a svn package version of inkscape on the website if someone wants to give it a go
[10:37] <Usiu> StevenK, but ubuntu page states that merg with debian has already been freezed
[10:37] <Usiu> StevenK, so is it still possible to add packages in this case ?
[10:44] <StevenK> Usiu: For Hardy, yes, if it's justifiable
[10:56] <YokoZar> Could I get a quick outside opinion?  I'm worried about starting a conflict in a bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/138713
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138713 in gnome-games "Gnometris uses Gnome foot logo instead of Ubuntu theme" [Wishlist,Invalid]
[11:03] <persia> YokoZar: It's an #ubuntu-desktop decision.  I can see your point, but it needs to be done in a way that can easily be overridden with a -themes package or similar to support in-distro flavour variation.
[11:04] <YokoZar> persia: thanks, that makes some sense
[11:04] <YokoZar> persia: all it is at this point is just changing one file (albeit one part of the gnome-games package)
[11:06] <persia> YokoZar: still #ubuntu-desktop (gnome-games is main, and gnome)
[11:30] <ion_> tjaalton: I attached a new version of nvidia_supported to the bug report.
[11:31] <ion_> tjaalton: Since the PCI ID list isn’t the first symbol of the file anymore, i found another consistent thing between all the releases: there are always two subsequent symbols with the identical PCI ID list. So now the script finds that.
[11:32] <tjaalton> ion_: cool, thanks
[11:33] <ion_> Has someone planned on working on autoselecting the proper nvidia driver release on startup based on connected hardware?
[11:34] <tjaalton> without using restricted-manager to fiddle with the xorg.conf?
[11:34] <ion_> Yep
[11:34] <ion_> Symlinks instead
[11:34] <tjaalton> what symlinks?
[11:35] <ion_> nvidia.o → nvidia-123.45.67.o, libGL.so.something → nvidia’s libGL for the same driver release
[11:35] <ion_> Could be updated using the alternatives system.
[11:36] <ion_> Anyway, if someone feels like implementing that, this program should be helpful. I’m trying to get it uploaded to Ubuntu. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=hardware-connected
[11:36] <tjaalton> so you could have all those installed?
[11:36] <ion_> It can be used almost directly against /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias.override/nvidia
[11:36] <ion_> I was thinking that there would be just a single nvidia-glx that would contain all the releases, and the system would pick the correct one on startup.
[11:41] <tjaalton> I don't know.. there are plans though to automatically use the binary driver instead of nv, if it's installed
[12:00] <geser> Hobbsee: Hi, could you please give-back dom4j. Thanks.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> geser: done
[12:03] <Kmos> geser: it won't work.. no build records in hardy. - bug 181981
[12:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181981 in dom4j "Rebuild dom4j to create an hardy build record" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181981
[12:03] <geser> argh
[12:04] <Hobbsee> erm, /me looks
[12:04] <Kmos> geser: if you want to sponsor the upload to make it building.. :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> wow, that's classy
[12:04] <Fujitsu> That's actually bug #181328.
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181328 in soyuz "no build records for previously-failed builds" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181328
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: which is listed on there, yes
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Ah, right.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Soyuz isn't actually that bad here, as DEPWAIT and FAILED builds do get new records in the next distroseries...
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Just CHROOTWAIT doesn't, as far as I can see.
[12:06] <geser> looks like we really need an upload for a build retry
[12:07] <Hobbsee> geser: it appears so
[12:07] <Fujitsu> That would fix it, but is a hack.
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, but this is soyuz.
[12:08] <geser> Fujitsu: true, is there any other alternative to waiting till this bug is fixed and the affected packages got retried in hardy?
[12:08] <Kmos> geser: cprov told me he don't know if he could do it for next version of launchpad, so it can take ages..
[12:08] <Fujitsu> geser: I doubt it.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> geser: unless they manually generate build records for all affected packages (who knows how many)..
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you really should start working on it, and remove some of the crack.
[12:09] <geser> I will check then the chrootwait list for gutsy and see how many packages still need a upload for a rebuild
[12:10] <geser> Kmos: I'll upload it, for the next time: please close your bug in your changelog entry
[12:11] <Hobbsee> geser: hopefully most of it will be picked up with the autosyncs, where the later versions get tried
[12:11] <Hobbsee> or users complain
[12:11] <Kmos> geser: thanks! sorry.. i'll remember that next time..
[12:12] <persia> Hobbsee: We've hundreds of packages for which neither of those conditions get hit, unfortunately
[12:12] <Hobbsee> persia: cruft, or actual useful stuff?
[12:12] <Fujitsu> Builds failing due to chroot failures should very rarely make a release...
[12:12] <persia> Hobbsee: define cruft
[12:13] <Hobbsee> persia: okay, so crap that people care about, vs crap that they don't.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> where people == users, devs, etc
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Urgh, why wasn't that given back months earlier?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no build records?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh, originally?
[12:13] <persia> Hobbsee: Umm.  If it didn't get updated, and nobody complained, I'd think that was obvious :)
[12:13] <Fujitsu> I mean the gutsy one.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> persia: right.  true
[12:13] <Hobbsee> persia: how many packages are we talking about there?
[12:14] <persia> I'm not sure right now.  Fujitsu, do you still have those scripts around?
[12:14] <Kmos> also others packages are failing because we don't have right now a locales-all replace, langpack-locales isn't prepared to handle it..
[12:15] <Fujitsu> persia: Probably. I can easily mangle them to work out any non-superseded chrootwait builds in Gutsy.
[12:15]  * Hobbsee wonders if the great hardy lot got given back
[12:15] <StevenK> The simplest way to do is by asking the database. Typical.
[12:15] <Fujitsu> StevenK: That works too.
[12:15] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: We don't seem to have any chrootwait in Hardy at the moment.
[12:15] <persia> Fujitsu: I think it'd be interesting to see not just only non-superseded chrootwait builds, but also non-superceded FTBFS for any reason.
[12:16] <StevenK> Which would work if you begged an LP admin
[12:16] <Fujitsu> persia: Best to run the normal FTBFS script over Gutsy, then.
[12:16] <persia> Fujitsu: Makes sense.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh, so it did.  good
[12:18] <persia> Fujitsu: Wait, won't that also show superceded builds?
[12:20] <Fujitsu> persia: geser's only lists those failures that are in the last version of each source package, I believe.
[12:21] <persia> Fujitsu: That would be good.  I'll post it somewhere when it finishes
[12:23] <geser> Fujitsu: yes, as it doesn't make sense to list FTBFS for package version which might be fixed in the current version
[12:23] <Fujitsu> geser: Of course, that makes sense.
[12:24] <geser> I could run the script against gutsy if there is interest
[12:24] <persia> geser: I'm running with s/hardy/gutsy/ now, but it might be interesting to run against feisty and dapper to see if we missed any FTBFS SRUs.
[12:25] <persia> Or rather, to catch any FTBFS that haven't been updated in a while.
[12:36] <geser> FTBFS stats for dapper: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/~geser/build_status-dapper/
[12:36] <geser> FTBFS stats for feisty: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/~geser/build_status-feisty/
[12:44] <persia> geser: Are all those still outstanding?
[12:45]  * persia is especially surprised to see 39 packages in main
[12:46] <Fujitsu> persia: Most of those are fine.
[12:46] <Fujitsu> They're arch-specific things that appeared before Soyuz had P-a-s.
[12:47] <persia> Fujitsu: I'd say OOo is really the only one that matters, but I haven't heard a lot of complaints from Dapper OOo users, so it may not be as important as it looks.
[12:57] <geser> FTBFS stats for gutsy: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/~geser/build_status-gutsy/
[12:58] <geser> luckily only 3 packages in chrootwait
[13:01] <madmac> hi, i would like to know if is possible to create a patch with diff that creates directories
[13:01] <madmac> i am trying but dont know how
[13:04]  * persia stops my run, presuming it to be terribly slow for some reason.
[13:05] <mjj29> madmac: patch should just create the dir if you try and patch a new file in it
[13:06] <persia> So it is only CHROOTWAIT packages that don't automatically get requeued for the next release, or are there hidden FTBFS issues remaining?  Are the 499 packages identified as FTBFS for dapper in addition to those for gutsy or hardy, or does it only check within a release?
[13:07] <Fujitsu> persia: depwait and failed builds get new records created, which doesn't leave much.
[13:07] <Fujitsu> Perhaps upload failures, however.
[13:10] <persia> I don't think any of the upload failures are much concern.  They seem to be all lpia or hppa (which are both sort of special), except for m17-contrib and ion3, both of which I think are gone now.
[13:10] <madmac> mjj29: patch tell me "patch: **** Can't rename file /tmp/poXkD8Ax to modules/net/  : Not a directory"
[13:10] <mjj29> madmac: what does the patch say?
[13:10] <madmac> because net doesnt exisit
[13:11] <madmac> patch says that
[13:11] <mjj29> no, what's the actual patch
[13:11] <mjj29> can you pastebin it or something?
[13:11] <madmac> the actual patch is a file inside net directory
[13:12] <mjj29> madmac: ok, can you spell out exactly what you are doing
[13:12] <madmac> creating a patch for adding a new file inside a new directory that doesnt exist
[13:12] <mjj29> I just did: mkdir -p a/b; mkdir newa; echo 'hi' > a/b/c; diff -urN newa a > diff; cd newa; patch -p1 < ../diff
[13:13] <mjj29> and it said:
[13:13] <mjj29> patching file b/c
[13:13] <mjj29> and created the directory b and the file c
[13:13] <mjj29> madmac: how are you trying to do it?
[13:13] <mjj29> what commands are you running
[13:13] <mjj29> what is the text in the diff which you are trying to apply
[13:13] <mjj29> be more specific or we can't help
[13:14] <geser> persia: I've upload libswidgets-java to get a build record in hardy
[13:14] <persia> geser: Excellent.  Thanks.
[13:15] <madmac> diff -Naur old/modules/net/ new/modules/net/socket.c > patch
[13:15] <geser> persia: but for libjempbox-java I need someone first who can resurrect checkstyle which got eaten by the move to universe (arch:all bug)
[13:15] <madmac> then patch -p1
[13:16] <geser> persia: so (almost) all chrootwait from gutsy are handled now
[13:16] <Fujitsu> geser: They're back.
[13:17] <persia> geser: Thanks for digging those out.  Do you think it is worth checking edgy as well?  For pre-Dapper, I think other issues would be more important.
[13:18] <mjj29> madmac: I assume you can't just do diff -aurN old new ?
[13:19] <madmac> no, there are binaries and makefiles
[13:19] <mjj29> madmac:
[13:19] <geser> Fujitsu: then is the mirror I use a little back behind
[13:20] <Fujitsu> geser: Oh dear, maybe it got missed.
[13:20] <mjj29> cd ..; cp -lR new new.orig; rm new.orig/modules/net/socket.c; diff -aurN new.orig new > patch
[13:20]  * Fujitsu looks.
[13:20] <Fujitsu> cprov said he'd restored them all.
[13:21] <madmac> mjj29: thanks i got it
[13:22] <madmac> mjj29: the problem was that i didnt specified the file in old
[13:22] <Fujitsu> geser: That was only demoted a couple of days ago. That's really odd.
[13:22] <mjj29> madmac: oh, right
[13:22] <mjj29> madmac: yeah, of course that works
[13:23] <Fujitsu> geser: It was promoted ~2 hours before the code was fixed, so it may not have made cprov's list.
[13:24]  * Fujitsu is confused as to why there are two universe records there, 5 minutes apart.
[13:27]  * geser hopes that we have soon all arch:all packages back
[13:29] <geser> persia: FTBFS stats for edgy: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/~geser/build_status-edgy/
[13:30] <Fujitsu> geser: Most of them seem to have been restored, but apparently not all :(
[13:30] <persia> geser: Wonderful.  No candidates that need a poke.  I suspect that the hardy stats are now up to date.
[13:30] <persia> (excepting libjempbox-java)
[13:31] <stgraber> cd
[13:50] <Kmos> geser: dom4j built with success :)
[14:08] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[14:09] <MetaMorfoziS> i wanted to try the hardy heron 8.04 cd, and i has a problem, is the good place to say/ask about that?
[14:09] <MetaMorfoziS> live*
[14:09] <ion_> Please read the topic.
[14:10] <MetaMorfoziS> ooh sorry
[14:10] <tormod> ogra: ping
[14:19] <Hobbsee> tormod: it's the weekend
[14:20] <tormod> Hobbsee: so what? :)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> tormod: canonical employees don't tend to work weekends unless there's a very good reason fro it
[14:22] <tormod> Hobbsee: they're too healthy I guess. But he's logged in, so it's reasonable to check if he's here.
[14:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:24] <Hobbsee> true
[16:35]  * lamont wonders if libcaca should not build-dep on mono-gmcs on hppa, or if that'd just make it ftbfs
[16:59] <lamont> libapache2-mod-perl2 is d-w locales-all everywhere...
[18:42] <bigon> is someone working on bug 182155 ?
[18:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182155 in cli-common "Please sync cli-common 0.5.6 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182155
[18:44] <pochu> bigon: you need to wait for an archive admin to sync it.
[18:45] <bigon> yeah I know, the sync is needed to fix bug 182130
[18:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130
[18:47] <pochu> bigon: but archive admins aren't around, as it's saturday... your best bet is to poke Hobbsee when she's back, if that's urgent.
[18:47] <bigon> ok, I will ask her
[19:56]  * lamont notes that upx-ucl fails to build these days
[20:08] <\sh> StevenK: ping inventor...can you describe in a short sentence when you mean with
[20:08] <\sh>   * Hack libInventorWidget.a to not build MyColorEditor, as it also uses GLw
[20:08] <\sh>     now.
[21:17] <choudesh__> Hi all.
[21:18] <choudesh__> does anyone know how to add dist and pool folders to the liveCD? I am remaster a liveCD but when I add the Dist/Pool folders for apt-cdrom, squashfs fails to load
[23:54] <lamont> dpatch.  #$&^*(%)_*_$&#%^*(&)^(_... pain.


[03:23] <karlpinc> Does ubuntu have a web interface to look inside source packages or do I need to download the source and unpack it?
[03:27] <sarnold> karlpinc: download the source and unpack it
[03:28] <karlpinc> sarnold: Thank you.
[03:28] <sarnold> karlpinc: I've got an archive unpacked.. if it's easy / quick I might be able to help
[03:28] <sarnold> it's also about time to make dinner :)
[03:30] <karlpinc> sarnold: Mostly I need to look at the *.template file in a number of packages.  Every now and again I want to look at different versions of things like READMEs, or just at how a particular package is built.  Downloading is just-another-step that'd be nice to skip.
[03:30] <karlpinc> (different versions of the same file in different os releases)
[03:31] <sarnold> karlpinc: aye, yeah, that makes sense. that's part of why I've got the whole thing unpacked :) heh
[03:31] <sarnold> I love the sources.debian.net and debian code search tools; some day..
[03:31] <sarnold> argh
[03:31] <sarnold> not .net
[03:31] <karlpinc> It's a cheat.  ;)
[03:31] <sarnold> https://sources.debian.org/
[03:32] <sarnold> https://codesearch.debian.net/
[03:32] <sarnold> very handy in a pinch :)
[03:32] <karlpinc> Better to look at the ubuntu stuff when using ubuntu.  But yes. Handy.
[03:32] <sarnold> yup
[06:19] <cpaelzer> doko:  1890435 indeed it 9.x -> 10.x - any builds I should try next?
[06:20] <cpaelzer> I have updated the bug accordingly but not need you to get builds for what might end up as bisecting
[12:06] <arunpyasi> Hi everyone, has anyone worked to change the cursor-theme in gui apps running with display-setup-script or greeter-setup-script ? Need help ! I am unable to change the cursor-theme.
[15:16] <nomad_fr> hi


[04:16] <Crell> Hi all.  Can anyone recommend a good PHP 5.2 backport for Edgy?  Unofficial is OK.  I am running into various segfault issues with PHP 5.1.6 that are apparently "known issues fixed in later versions". :-/
[04:19] <foo> Yup :)
[04:20] <foo> One minute, let me grab it
[04:20] <foo> deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all
[04:20] <foo> deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all
[04:21] <Crell> Isn't dotdeb a Debian repository?
[04:21] <Crell> I thought packages weren't portable.
[04:21] <foo> uh, hmm. One of the techs has used it on 4 of our production servers... 0 problems
[04:23] <Crell> I guess that's a good enough endorsement for me, for a development desktop. :-)
[04:26] <KurtKraut> Crell, installing debian packages in ubuntu should not be your first choice... but in your case, the only choice besides that is compiling PHP by yourself
[04:26] <Crell> Yeah, I'd rather mix repos than not use one at all.
[04:26] <Crell> I figure I'll be upgrading to Feisty within 6 weeks, but I have some version-sensitive work to do before then. :-)
[04:28] <Crell> Unfortunately, it looks like various extension packages are not included.  Grrr.
[04:28] <KurtKraut> Crell, ... it seems that today is a happy day for compiling... ahahahah
[04:29] <KurtKraut> Crell, do you use apache or lighttpd ?
[04:29] <Crell> apache
[04:30] <KurtKraut> Crell, do you have any spare server where you can install Feisty ?
[04:30] <Crell> Not really.
[04:30] <Crell> Well, I've a closet full of stuff, some of which works, but I don't think that really counts. :-)
[04:31] <KurtKraut> Crell, you can install and run lighttpd in your production server, with no dist-upgrade
[04:32] <Crell> My experience with lighttpd is 0.  One unknown at a time, please. :-)
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, but in your servers local network, you can install a Feisty box, that comes with PHP 5.2.1
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, in lighttpd you can point the PHP interpreter that resides in other machine, inside your LAN
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, lighttpd is easy as hell
[04:33] <KurtKraut> Crell, so you can have a newer PHP version running outside your production server
[04:33] <Crell> That's way too complicated for what I need...
[04:34] <KurtKraut> it is quite simple. Despite installing a Feisty box, it would be done with less than 5 commands
[04:34] <KurtKraut> pretty easy if you have compilingphobia :P
[04:35] <Crell> Yeah... I just aptituded what I need.  I'll just restart apache now and see if it worked. :-)
[05:36] <duri> hello I am thinking about moving some old redhat linux 9 boxes to the debian platform. could you guys explain to me what is the value add of ubuntu-server vs debian in the server environment ? thanks
[05:37] <Burgundavia> right
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ubuntu-server offers a fixed timeframe of support
[05:37] <Burgundavia> debians is long but uncertain
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ubuntu 6.06 will supported until June 2011 on the server
[05:39] <duri> good. that's a good point, one I was aware of ... what about packaging policies (i.e. how new versions are included in the updates and such). I would be moving to apt-get for the first-time and would like to understand what are the best strategies to avoid surprises on the server side
[06:15] <genii> Anyone alive in here?
[06:21] <genii> Heh :) Thats not the immediate issue. I'm using apt-mirror but on the last round of updates it chinked out on me now , filled up a 40G hd whereas before it would go to 31G or so
[06:22] <foo> apt-get update and upgrade filled up 40G of space?
[06:22] <genii> No. apt-MIRROR
[06:23] <genii> I'm mirroring the dapper install
[06:23] <foo> ahhh, my bad. I'm not familiar with apt-mirror.
[06:24] <genii> So Im currently wondering; If I have a medium sized hd around how much more than 40Gb is the repo now?
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> just dapper? shouldnt be more then 40 gig
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hang on, i'll look it up
[06:26] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: It already filled up a 40G :)
[06:26] <genii> I guess backports or so is the main hog
[06:26] <foo> Anyone in here have ubuntu on any dell 2950s
[06:26] <foo> ?
[06:27] <genii> foo I have it on some poweredge 2450
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> for dapper,dapper-updates,dapper-security,dapper-backports its 29.4 GB (on my setup)
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> that was made with debmirror btw
[06:27] <foo> genii: Nice. Any big issues I should be concerned about? We might be getting some 2950s
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> *updates his mirror*
[06:27] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser Hmm
[06:28] <genii> foo The SCSI floppy doesn't work but I can live without it
[06:28] <foo> hehe /me nods
[06:29] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe I need to elimate some of the directories. I'm mirroring also the security updates
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> genii, look what i listed
[06:29] <genii> (from security.ubuntu.com)
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> -updates,-security-,and -backports
[06:30] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Hangon a bit, I'll pastebin my mirror.list . I have to ssh into my box, it will be a minute
[06:31] <genii> It could be I have redundant entries
[06:33] <genii> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13489/
[06:34] <genii> Actually I see it now... bleh
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont carry -proposed
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i'm not sure how big it is
[06:35] <genii> maybe I'll eliminate the last 2 entries
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:36] <genii> The first 2 commented-out entries are to get the netboot installer
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> debmirror needs a way to handle d-i gracefully, its a shocker at it :/
[06:38] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: I have the mirror because I'm mass-installing here. I thought I'd update just before the next round of installs but then it chunked out
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> genii, net installing?
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had to do a pretty big dose recently, but used mondo. rather netinst. myself
[06:39] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. My preseed file does auto partition and packages then I leave the username part for manual right now
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you using for it? i looked heavily at a few options, but they were just to clunky
[06:41] <genii> I just installed one time to a system, put the packages on it I wanted. Then used debconf-get-selections to make a prototype preseed. Then I setup an old dual cpu Dell server to be the tftpboot box
[06:42] <genii> I have 24 headless machines which do an early-command of load and run sshd so then I ssh into them, set a user/passwd and it chugs along. It ejects the cdrom tray at the end so I know when it's done
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh for crying out loud. LP is offline?
[06:48] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: yep!
[06:48] <ajmitch> for 15min or so
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, ah, well i suppose i can handle that :) (but what timing ;||)
[07:12] <genii> Bah still chunks out. Guess I'll remove all the deb-src entries too
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> really? my mirror is 30 gig with source.
[07:15] <genii> Maybe I need to comment out all the lines except "clean" do that then uncomment just the absolute neccesary ones
[07:15] <genii> It's driving me nust cuz now I have a bunch of mixed packages
[07:15] <genii> nust=nuts
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used apt-mirror, does it store x number of revisisons deep?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think debmirror only does 1, so that might be a problem
[07:19] <genii> I'm not exactly certain
[11:15] <genii> Interesting.From Bambi-something to something-Kaiser
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:19] <ivoks> what do you think about changing debconf priority for ubuntu-server?
[02:19] <ivoks> and... changing default configs for some services (for example, vsftpd by default enables anonymous login, which i don't considera a good idea)
[02:54] <lionel> ivoks: looks like a good idea
[05:22] <[miles] > guys
[05:22] <[miles] > anyone alive?
[05:22] <[miles] > ping ...
[05:24] <mralphabet> hola
[05:24] <[miles] > mralphabet:
[05:24] <[miles] > muy buenas
[05:25] <[miles] > mralphabet: any idea wtf my crondaily insists on emailing me to inform me that the ntp has adjusted the time by 3 seconds?
[05:25] <ivoks> [miles] : because it has output
[05:25] <[miles] > mmm but
[05:26] <[miles] > I'm dumping it to /dev/burninhell
[05:26] <[miles] > see /usr/sbin/ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org 2>/dev/null || exit 0
[05:26] <ivoks> yeah, but that's for stderr, not stdout
[05:26] <ivoks> this is 'unwise' ting to do
[05:27] <[miles] > what?
[05:27] <ivoks> you will not know when there is a problem, and you will know when it works :)
[05:27] <ivoks>  2> is redirection for stderr
[05:27] <ivoks> not stdout
[05:27] <[miles] > it's both no?
[05:27] <ivoks> 1> is for stdout
[05:27] <ivoks> no
[05:27] <[miles] > &>
[05:27] <[miles] > shite
[05:27] <[miles] > it's that iirc now
[05:27] <ivoks> &> is all
[05:27] <[miles] > nod
[05:27] <[miles] > balls
[05:28] <ivoks> and it's ntp.ubuntu.com
[05:28] <mralphabet>  >> /dev/null 2>&1
[05:29] <ivoks> >> is something else
[05:29] <[miles] > nod
[05:29] <ivoks> but 2>&1 is redirect 2 in 1
[05:29] <[miles] > &> is both tho no?
[05:30] <[miles] > in one syntax
[05:30] <mralphabet> I believe so
[05:30] <[miles] > thanks guys
[05:30] <[miles] > ivoks: I've changed to ntp.ubuntu.com also
[05:45] <[miles] > ciao todos


[22:01] <bloompa> Hello. Maybe more a question for the specific software included, but I installed a copy of Ubuntu Studio and I'm about to try and hook up a Pod HD series pedal into LMMS. Wondering if Ubuntu Studio will recognize stuff from line6 without needing to do anything other than plug the cable in
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> bloompa: No support questions in the developer collaboration chat (this channel) please.
[22:01] <bloompa> wld just plug it in, but i don't have the cable...yet
[22:02] <bloompa> thx
[22:02] <bloompa> sry
[22:03] <bloompa> leaving now. thank you all for the work you've put into 20.04. very good package. smooth
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> bloompa: Check in #lau (Linux Audio Users) or #opensourcemusicians.
[22:03] <bloompa> cool. thx


[01:59] <ScottL> holstein, now i think it's time for a meeting about the website :)
[02:52] <holstein> ScottL: cool
[02:53] <holstein> yeah
[02:53] <holstein> looks like we got a lot of themes to choose from
[02:53] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp
[02:53] <holstein> and others right
[02:53] <holstein> ?
[03:11] <ScottL> well, just two "themes" on the web revamp wiki page really
[03:11] <ScottL> but they have really gotten much better
[03:34] <paultag> hey all
[03:34] <paultag> I hope all are doing well :)
[13:47] <rlameiro> hey everyone
[13:47] <rlameiro> scott-work: not at uds?
[14:03] <scott-work> rlameiro: no :(
[14:04] <scott-work> i had a slim chance of managing to go to UDS but alas, too many things needed to line up for it to happen
[14:04] <scott-work> next year i will make one of the UDS's
[14:04] <scott-work> my wife wants me to get sponsored for the next one, which i presume will be in europe if the historical schedule holds
[14:05] <scott-work> that way we can buy her plane ticket and she can go as well
[14:06] <scott-work> she's only flown once before (with me to go to texas tech university) and she's never been out of the state, much less the united states
[14:06] <rlameiro> ok
[14:06] <rlameiro> maybe we can meet in Europe next uds :D
[14:07] <scott-work> that would be awesome!
[14:07] <rlameiro> it depends where it is, and when
[14:07] <scott-work> there are many people i would like to finally shake hands with...you, luke, emmet
[14:08] <scott-work> maybe even falktx and janne, alessio (both of them!)
[14:08] <rlameiro> well, maybe we could do some JAM session :D
[14:08] <scott-work> yeah, jcastro and jono always seem to do something (usually some metallica) when they get together at the UDS
[14:09] <rlameiro> :D
[14:09] <rlameiro> next uds will be in may I asume
[14:09] <rlameiro> it will be a little hard if it overlays on top of my students exams, but maybe it can be don
[14:10]  * rlameiro back to writing.....
[14:20] <scott-work> oh, rlameiro, i was thinking this morning of various things and people and you were one of them!
[14:20] <scott-work> have you happened to make any progress on ubuntustudio-controls by chance?
[14:20] <rlameiro> that is a point that needs deeps discussion :D
[14:21] <rlameiro> since most of ubuntustudio controls functionallity is fading away, we should think if it should remain or not
[14:21] <rlameiro> and if it remains in wich sense
[14:22] <rlameiro> for instance, will it become on some sort of "HUB" or just a little tool
[14:22] <rlameiro> I was thinking on something like KXStudio
[14:23] <rlameiro> A place to config plugin folders, add ppas etc
[14:23] <rlameiro> since consolekit that much of the config isnt needed anymore
[14:25] <rlameiro> For me the "hub" aproach seems to be the way we should do it.
[14:25] <rlameiro> have a central app that will link to the comunity, to FAQs, to how to, etc
[14:26] <rlameiro> also it could embed a webpage on it detailing workflows etc
[14:27] <scott-work> i'm not sure that i agree that most the functionality is fading away
[14:27] <scott-work> and you are right that more discussion is needed (or at least desired)
[14:28] <scott-work> my opinion is that just because ardour wants unlimited memlock, a user might not be able to afford that (memory wise) and would need to adjust it still
[14:28] <scott-work> additionally, i would like to see that ubuntu studio PPA where any kernels are available be listed in studio-controls along with any backports-testing ppa
[14:29] <scott-work> you have ideas, i have ideas, others most likely have ideas as well, hopefully we can find a compatible union between them all and implement it
[14:29] <scott-work> or them
[14:29] <rlameiro> yeap, exactly
[14:30] <rlameiro> but as the only controls functionality lasting is the memlock.
[14:31] <scott-work> and i think raw1394 as well, no?
[14:31] <rlameiro> scott-work: there are some technical decissions that need to be made for this
[14:31] <scott-work> for memlock?
[14:31] <rlameiro> scott-work: no, with the new firewire stack
[14:32] <rlameiro> about tech decissions are, how will it be implemented
[14:32] <rlameiro> in GTK or QT?
[14:32] <scott-work> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/1316
[14:32] <scott-work> do you mean this?
[14:33] <rlameiro> will it be wrong to implement it in Qt? since we already ship qjackctl i dont see why not use QT.
[14:33] <rlameiro> or should it be GTK to be on line with other ubuntu implementations?
[14:33] <rlameiro> if it is in Qt, we can "use" some help from Falktx for example
[14:34] <rlameiro> or even RNCBC (i can try to pull him in)
[14:34] <scott-work> i'm not sure what you mean by "how will it be implemented" since i don't use firewire
[14:35] <scott-work> since you are mentioning gtk or qt then i am assuming something with a dialouge box
[14:35] <rlameiro> scott-work: I am talking about the controls, not FW :D
[14:35] <rlameiro> i tested firewire in the 10.10 and it worked out of the box
[14:36] <rlameiro> it maybe only my card maybe... dont know
[14:38] <rlameiro> scott-work: to clarify, i was talking about the technical choices on the ubuntustudio controls development. because that will choose who can help, for instance
[14:40] <rlameiro> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[14:54] <TheMuso> Did anybody find out what Sebo wanted from me?
[14:54] <TheMuso> Sebboh even
[16:30] <grantsmith> hi.. does Studio 10.10 have gscanbus, for configuring the MAudio firewire solo ? And if so, is it compiled against libgtk2 ?
[16:31] <AutoStatic> Don't know
[16:31] <AutoStatic> I don't use gscanbus
[16:32] <AutoStatic> I think it's deprecated regarding FireWire soundcards
[16:32] <AutoStatic> ffado-test and ffado-diag do all the magic
[16:34] <grantsmith> oh, interesting. Thanks I'll research that.
[16:34] <AutoStatic> You're welcome. Those tools are in the ffado-tools package
[16:35] <grantsmith> so is ffado a replacement to freebob ?
[16:37] <grantsmith> never mind. thanks google :]
[18:24] <scott-work> holstein: are you around?
[19:09] <scott-work> abogani: have you heard anything from UKT or JFo about getting the -lowlatency kernel into natty?
[19:49] <paultag> morning scott-work :)
[19:49] <scott-work> hia paultag !
[19:49] <paultag> scott-work, how's life? :)
[19:49] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[19:49] <scott-work> paultag: been real, real busy lately  :/
[19:50] <paultag> scott-work, well, thanks -- I was up late last night doing *nothing*, it was the worst, but I've got my coffee, and doing just fine :)
[19:50] <paultag> scott-work, awww. Anything I can help with, or is it all meatspace stuff?
[19:50] <scott-work> non-ubuntu studio stuff unofrtunately
[19:50] <paultag> Shucks
[19:50] <scott-work> lol
[19:50] <paultag> :)
[19:50] <scott-work> i started updating the seeds for natty this weekend but haven't finished yet, but with UDS going on i don't think it's a big rush anyways
[19:51] <paultag> scott-work, nah
[19:51] <scott-work> i doubt than per.sia or the.muso will have time to review it before the weekend
[19:51] <paultag> mmm
[19:52] <paultag> scott-work, is it just the ubuntustudio-meta package?
[19:54] <paultag> scott-work, I've been working on metapackages with germinate lately ( Might try and upload a fluxbox metapackage )
[19:55] <scott-work> paultag: no, it's far more than that
[19:55] <paultag> OK, cool. Then I'm useless :)
[19:56] <scott-work> i'll be updating video and graphic seeds, removing the audio seed and then adding audio-common, recording, and generation seeds
[19:56] <paultag> Oh jeez
[19:56] <scott-work> the idea to two fold: give the user more control over the audio applications installed and also clear out the cruft of packages installed
[19:57] <paultag> mmhum :)
[19:57] <scott-work> i've spent weeks working through things and then documenting the steps i want/need to take, and even then i've overlooked some stuff :P
[19:57] <scott-work> i can only imagine how this would have gone had i gone in blindly
[19:57] <paultag> +1
[19:58] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Seeds%20Update
[19:58] <scott-work> that's my working notes
[19:58] <paultag> scott-work, sweet.
[19:59] <scott-work> and i will need to also update the -meta package to make a transition package for the deprecated audio seed
[19:59] <scott-work>
[19:59] <scott-work> although, i did think of something
[19:59] <scott-work> i was going to talk with astraljava about a backports testing PPA
[20:00] <scott-work> the idea would be to create a PPA that ubuntu studio devs use to make backport packages and test them
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, should be easy enough :)
[20:00] <scott-work> then we can alert the official backports persons know about them to get them into the official backports repositories
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, +1, solid idea
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, I can help with backporting, if you need more hands
[20:01] <scott-work> it's really only in the gestation phase at this moment
[20:01] <scott-work> i was hoping that astraljava would pounce on it as well :)
[20:01] <paultag> scott-work, just putting the offer on the table :)
[20:01] <astraljava> scott-work: Hi.
[20:01] <scott-work> absolutely paultag, the help would be appreciated
[20:02] <scott-work> hi astraljava
[20:02] <scott-work> i don't know if we want to backport applications for every release or just for the lts version
[20:02] <scott-work> i was thinking just the LTS for the time being, which is fortuitous since the last release *was* the LTS release ;)
[20:03] <astraljava> Right, works for me.
[20:03] <scott-work> astraljava: do you think you could identify some of the applications from maverick that would be good in lucid ?
[20:03] <astraljava> scott-work: Absolutely.
[20:03] <scott-work> later this week i can make the ppa (or someone else within ubuntustudio-dev in launchpad can)
[20:04] <astraljava> scott-work: I can do that too.
[20:04] <scott-work> and anyone who wants to help (including you paultag!) can help
[20:04] <paultag> :P
[20:04] <scott-work> astraljava:  per.sia mentioned that we should focus this ppa on testing backports...so we might call it "backports-testing" or something simiilar
[20:04] <paultag> are we thinking bug reports after the list is all set?
[20:05] <astraljava> scott-work: Gotcha.
[20:05] <scott-work> paultag: yes, we would want to file bugs to get the backports done properly
[20:06] <scott-work> we can do them now, or later when the backport is tested
[20:07] <astraljava> I think the normal procedure is to file the bug once you have two testers report already.
[20:14] <paultag> against ubuntu studio?
[20:14] <paultag> I was just thinking logistics for people to prepare stuff for studio testing
[20:19] <holstein> scott-work: hey
[20:19] <holstein> i was busy for a bit there
[21:39] <scott-work> paultag:  i think it backport bugs have general been filed against ubuntu for any particular package
[21:39] <scott-work> you might add ubuntu studio as "Also affect project" however ,but that may not be necessary
[21:40] <scott-work> especially if we are the ones spearheading the backports
[21:40] <scott-work>
[21:40] <scott-work> holstein: would you like to help organizing the website meeting and some other odds and ends
[21:40] <scott-work>
[21:40] <scott-work> oh, astraljava and paultag, i would defintely be available to help with testing for backports
[21:42] <astraljava> scott-work: Noted, but I will most likely send a message to the lists anyway when a package is uploaded. Will let you know separately here, too.
[21:42] <paultag> scott-work, cheers
[22:58] <scott-work> i've read that shuttleworth is changing ubuntu desktop away from gnome to unity
[22:58] <scott-work> http://blogs.computerworld.com/17224/ubuntu_changes_its_desktop_from_gnome_to_unity
[22:58] <scott-work> i wonder how much truth is in this and how it will affect ubuntu studio


[00:03] <m0nkey_> Why don't they use AWS or one of the various VPS providers to build their forum infra?
[00:03] <daftykins> paid for with what money?
[00:25] <m0nkey_> Don't they make any money?
[00:29] <diddledan> I figured kodi had corporate sponsorship these days
[00:29] <diddledan> I mean silicondust are promoting how they're fully supporting the hdhomerun on kodi
[00:30] <diddledan> as an example
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:43] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:44] <diplo> Morning all
[08:54] <MooDoo> howdy all
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning
[11:38] <nsap> Hello, any idea why Ctrl+Alt+Arrows doesn't switch workspaces anymore? It used to work until yesterday
[11:38] <nsap> I have tried with a guest session and it works fine, so I guess there is a problem in my config files but I can't find it. Workspaces are enabled, keyboard works, keyboard layout is the right one. How can I restore normal behavior without blindly erasing all of .config?
[13:15] <diddledan> Amber Rudd says she doesn't need to understand encryption to break it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41463401
[13:41] <Laney> understanding things only makes them harder
[13:50] <diddledan> someone has asbestos hands: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/915212314894376960
[14:10] <MooDoo> having fun laney :D
[14:10] <Guest24649> trying to set up https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[14:11] <Guest24649> didn't work ...
[14:15] <MooDoo> booo
[14:29] <diddledan> we're not living in the matrix: https://boingboing.net/2017/10/03/elon-is-wrong.html
[14:30] <MooDoo> darn i wanted to learn kung fu
[14:41] <diddledan> Blade Runner 2049 makes me very NSFW: https://youtu.be/zvFp9v_InWM
[14:45] <diddledan> wow, that's some epic CSS work: https://codepen.io/rrenula/pen/LzLXYJ
[17:54] <m0nkey_> lol, had one of my webapps pen tested. got pawnd. and patched.
[17:54] <diddledan> \o/
[17:54] <diddledan> I don't suppose you can go into much detail
[17:55] <diddledan> (as in not allowed)
[17:55] <m0nkey_> it was a remote code execution exploit.
[17:55] <diddledan> ee
[17:55] <m0nkey_> it was a super simple fix too
[17:55] <diddledan> gotta love RCE
[17:55] <m0nkey_> s/\|//     <<<--- that was the fix
[17:56] <diddledan> wow
[17:56] <diddledan> https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regular_expressions.png
[17:57] <m0nkey_> my code was calling an executable, not the best way to do things, i just forgot to fully sanitize the parameters passed to it
[17:57] <diddledan> easily done
[17:57] <m0nkey_> but this testing was done on purpose.
[17:57] <m0nkey_> we found it before anyone else did
[17:58] <diddledan> annoying that on posix systems that the shell is used to start other programs (normally)
[17:58] <m0nkey_> there is a safer way to do this, but the safe way doesn't allow for easy collecting of output
[17:58] <diddledan> as in "I'm in php. let me start that binary."  I can't grok perl
[18:04] <m0nkey_> There is the net::Ping module, but I have to run the ping on a remote system.
[18:04] <m0nkey_> *sigh*


[08:31] <ev> CarlFK: apologies, I had to end on time yesterday as I had evening plans
[08:31] <ev> cjwatson: awesome!
[08:31] <ev> bdmurray: that sounds reasonable, but I agree with cjwatson: a series of steps we can reproduce in a VM would be stellar.
[09:41] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I've never tried to set up Windows in a VM; though one thing I'd say is that quite often Windows partitioning bugs should be reproducible using mkntfs in Linux
[09:46] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4594 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[09:46] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Add a partitioning heading to help clarify what operating systems
[09:46] <CIA-31> ubiquity: may be acted upon by the installer.
[09:48] <ev> trying to reproduce this "everything gets deleted when I select replace Ubuntu" bug now, as there haven't been any follow ups on the bug
[10:58] <ev> bum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/740881
[10:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740881 in partman-auto "Replace option does not call swapoff for any swap partitions on the disk" [Critical,Confirmed]
[10:59] <ev> (trying to make more of a habit out of filing bugs as I see them, rather than writing them down in notepads as things to do, in the hopes that less falls through the cracks)
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4594 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Add a partitioning heading to help clarify what operating systems
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: may be acted upon by the installer.
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4595 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/misc.py):
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: * Remove ' (loader)' from the os-prober operating system descriptions on
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity:  the initial partitioning page.
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4596 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity: * Properly substitute in the non-Ubuntu system when generating descriptions
[11:35] <CIA-31> ubiquity:  for dual boot partitioning.
[11:36] <CIA-31> partman-auto: evand * r603 ubuntu/ (automatically_partition/replace/do_option debian/changelog):
[11:36] <CIA-31> partman-auto: Disable swap partitions on the same disk before deleting the
[11:36] <CIA-31> partman-auto: partition in the replace option (LP: #740881).
[11:39] <CIA-31> partman-auto: evand * r604 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 93ubuntu12
[11:40] <ev> of course that invoked the oom killer on swapoff for me in testing, but there's not much we can do there right now :-/
[11:40] <ev> (in natty, that is)
[11:42]  * cjwatson tries to figure out the exact algorithm for parsing /proc/self/mountinfo, per bug 738345
[11:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 738345 in grub2 "Grub2 entries to boot Wubi incorrect... "Error: file not found, Press any key to continue" at boot" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/738345
[11:43] <cjwatson> I need to do something with the mnt_id and mnt_parent->mnt_id fields
[11:43] <cjwatson> preferably without actually having to build the full graph structure in GRUB
[11:43] <ev> heh
[11:43]  * cjwatson takes the rare step of getting out some paper
[11:44]  * ogra_ wonders if having no locales on the image at all might cause the breakage of his serial oem-config UI
[11:45] <cjwatson> ogra_: that's possible, you should really have at least en_US.UTF-8
[11:45] <ogra_> i'll generate it and see if something changes
[11:45] <cjwatson>   * Run the debconf frontend in a UTF-8 locale (en_US.UTF-8, since d-i
[11:45] <cjwatson>     guarantees that that always exists) so that newt uses proper window
[11:45] <cjwatson>     borders and can display non-ASCII characters.
[11:45] <cjwatson> (debian/changelog.oem-config)
[11:45] <ogra_> aww
[11:45] <ogra_> k
[11:46]  * ogra_ verifies then
[11:51] <cjwatson> OK, I think I can do this in a single linear pass
[11:55] <ogra_> heh
[11:55] <ogra_> that changed something but still looks broken
[11:59]  * ogra_ tries with TERM=vt100 again
[12:02] <ogra_> hmm, still only a cursor when using vt100
[12:03] <ogra_> and the locale generation (and setting LANG everywhere) didnt really improve much, i have different broken chars for the frames now
[12:03] <cjwatson> your terminal may need to be running in a UTF-8 locale too
[12:04] <ogra_> well, i run it on ubuntu, minicom should pick up my default locale, no ?
[12:04] <ogra_> from gnome-terminal i mean
[12:05] <ogra_> ogra@isis:~$ env|grep ^LANG
[12:05] <ogra_> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[12:11] <ogra_> aha ... having en_US.UTF-8 generated locally too gets me a cursor (still broken frames though) even with TERM=xterm
[12:12] <ogra_> ah, crap, no, i had exported vt100 before
[12:17] <ev> wow, I'm awful
[12:17] <ev> patch incoming for the replace issue
[12:17] <ev> also, is there a downside to using umount -f, or should we be using it everywhere?
[12:18] <cjwatson> are you using NFS a lot?
[12:19] <mterry> ev, cjwatson: how do I open a bug against geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com?
[12:19] <ev> cjwatson: no, but every now and again partman seems to get caught up around the umount calls in replace/reuse
[12:19] <ev> mterry: uhm, that's a good question
[12:19] <ev> there isn't a project for it
[12:20] <ev> creating now
[12:20] <mterry> ev, I got a bug against indicator-datetime about searching for "san francisco"
[12:20] <mterry> ev, and it seems to be a server issue
[12:20] <cjwatson> mterry: I think I'd use RT
[12:20] <ev> or that
[12:20] <cjwatson> ev: umount -f is only documented as helping with NFS.  Maybe umount -l instead?
[12:20] <ev> actually
[12:20] <ev> I control the code, I think
[12:21] <mterry> ev, so I come bug you on IRC then?  :)
[12:21] <mterry> ev, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/740874
[12:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740874 in indicator-datetime ""Location" auto-complete menu doesn't know about San Francisco, USA" [Undecided,New]
[12:22] <ev> cjwatson: sure, lazy would work, presumably
[12:24] <ev> mterry: digging
[12:28] <ev> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=39986
[12:28] <ev> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=42610
[12:28] <ev> https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/+junk/geoname
[12:28] <ev> I'll make a proper project for that now
[12:31] <mterry> ev, ok, I'll assign a couple bugs to it
[12:34] <ev> mterry: cool
[12:34] <ev> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames
[12:34] <ev> we'll still have to bug IS to do pulls
[12:35] <ev> as I don't believe I have access to that server
[12:36] <mterry> ev, OK, targetted a couple to the project.  thanks
[12:40] <ev> okay, I created a team and added you, so you should be able to commit directly
[12:40] <ev> if you need to and you can't, let me know and I'll chase it down
[12:41] <mterry> k, thanks
[12:46] <ev> I've also updated those two RTs to point at it
[12:51] <CIA-31> partman-auto: evand * r605 partman-auto.ubuntu/ (automatically_partition/replace/do_option debian/changelog):
[12:51] <CIA-31> partman-auto: * Make sure we have a partition selected for autopartitioning, not the
[12:51] <CIA-31> partman-auto:  disk, when using the replace option (LP: #738366).
[12:51] <ev> ugh
[13:26] <ogra_> oh, screen works a lot better than minicom, intresting
[13:26] <ogra_> UTF-8 is still broken though, but i have colors and a cursor
[13:59] <ev> nice, agy already pointed at the new branch location for geonames
[14:00] <ev> someday we'll get a real layout engine in our UI toolkit... :-/
[14:05] <mterry> ev, is geonames localized in any fashion?  always seems to give back english answers?
[14:06] <ev> if memory serves, not exactly
[14:06] <ev> we're at the mercy of the data dump from geonames.org
[14:06] <cjwatson> that's what we want in the installer case, I think - localisation happens on the client side
[14:08] <ev> localizing on the client side for the results of a search in the timezone box would be quite the endeavor as it returns more than olsendb locations
[14:09] <mterry> It would be nice if we could just add the language in the query, right?  Like &lang=fr
[14:10] <mterry> then get the same set of results, but with french names from the database
[14:15] <ev> yeah, that would be nice, though we'd have to add tables or construct the database differently for that
[14:16] <ev> I think
[14:16]  * ev looks a bit harder rather than just guessing :-P
[14:20] <mterry> It's definitely in the source data, but yeah, we might not be replicating it in the database
[14:20] <ev> actually, one way of doing it would be to just to try to match against alternatenames and return that instead of name
[14:21] <ev> it wouldn't ensure all the text was localized
[14:21] <mterry> well, if we don't have a french translation for something, better to show english than nothing i'd say
[14:21] <ev> but if you searched for espana, you wouldn't get spain back
[14:21] <ev> indeed
[14:22] <mterry> I think that would be fine, as long as you were in spanish locale
[14:23] <ev> I don't think they're mapped to locales in the database
[14:23] <ev> its a comma separated varchar(500)
[14:23] <ev> alternatenames, that is
[14:24] <ev> I know, lets just create a script that pipes it all through google translate once and tries to guess the language table to place it in ;)
[14:26] <mterry> ev, the 3rd column in alternatenames seems to be a locale
[14:27] <mterry> or maybe that's just the country of the location?
[14:27] <ev> ohhh
[14:27] <ev> I was looking at the column in geonames, not the table
[14:27] <ev> neat
[14:28] <mterry> this data is whack.
[14:28] <mterry> 120903  165131          Tell Sabaïne
[14:28] <mterry> 120905  165131          Tall Şabayn
[14:28] <mterry> 120904  165131          Tell Sanaïne
[14:28] <mterry> those are presumably all the same place?  but different names?
[14:28] <ev> oh yeah, it's all sorts of weird in places
[14:28] <mterry> they have different locations though and no 3rd column
[14:43] <cjwatson> ev: oh, that kind of answer, OK
[14:43] <cjwatson> I was thinking of timezone IDs
[16:05] <cjwatson> argh, I fix one bit of Wubi and another mysteriously falls over
[16:06]  * cjwatson plays whack-a-mole
[16:08] <cjwatson> double argh, now kvm is being mysteriously silent
[16:09] <ev> wuh oh
[16:13] <cjwatson> ah, it was bug 736351
[16:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736351 in vgabios "natty vgabios installs links into /usr/share/kvm" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736351
[16:14] <cjwatson> I think.  Upgrading cleared it up, anyway
[16:35] <CIA-31> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1200 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.60ubuntu2
[16:37] <CIA-31> localechooser: cjwatson * r160 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.34ubuntu3
[16:38] <CIA-31> partman-auto: evand * r607 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 93ubuntu13
[16:42] <CIA-31> partman-auto-loop: cjwatson * r56 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-auto-loop.templates po/templates.pot): Improve wording of partman-auto-loop/unclean_ntfs.
[16:49] <CIA-31> partman-auto-loop: cjwatson * r57 ubuntu/debian/po/templates.pot: fix Report-Msgid-Bugs-To
[16:50] <CIA-31> partman-auto-loop: cjwatson * r58 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0ubuntu19
[17:16] <bdmurray> ev: is there a reason bug 740903 doesn't have a natty task?  I'm pretty sure that kate keeps an eye on the natty tasks so that wouldn't show up.
[17:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740903 in ubiquity "return_to_partitioning fails when the replace option fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740903
[17:17] <ev> bdmurray: done, thanks.
[17:18] <bdmurray> ev: thanks, I'd have been happy to do it - just wanted to make sure
[17:18] <ev> right-o
[17:20] <ev> any objections to a new ubiquity?
[17:22] <bdmurray> that'd be good for the bug day fwiw
[17:36] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4598 trunk/ (139 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[17:38] <ev> ah, looks like I'm still blocked on builds/publisher anyway
[19:24] <Jemt> Hello. The ubuntu user on the Ubuntu Live CD (remastered) does not honor settings in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy (I disabled Suspend and Hibernation). However, it works for new users created on the Live CD. How can I solve the problem for the default ubuntu user ?
[19:25] <Jemt> (I ask in here since this seems to be the place were the actual Ubuntu developers/geeks are hanging out)
[20:15] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4599 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[20:15] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[20:15] <CIA-31> ubiquity: 1.57ubuntu17, grub-installer 1.60ubuntu2, localechooser 2.34ubuntu3,
[20:15] <CIA-31> ubiquity: partman-auto 93ubuntu13, partman-auto-loop 0ubuntu19.
[20:54] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4600 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.28
[21:14] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4601 trunk/ (debian/changelog po/LINGUAS): Remove cy from LINGUAS. Fixes build failure.
[21:17]  * ev grumbles
[21:22] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4602 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.29
[22:09] <ev> hm, it would be nice if the debconf protocol had a means to get the list of variables used for substitution
[23:14] <ev> well, worked around it for now by manually parsing templates.dat
[23:15] <ev> (want to be able to assert question_only_has_variables(question, variables=[]) in tests, in case the template changes once the tests are written)
[23:16] <ev> err rather, I now do


[00:01] <tsimonq2> When using Launchpad SSO, what dictates whether 2FA is enabled? What I mean by that is, 2FA is enabled when I log into Launchpad itself, but can I enable that on, for example, a Jenkins instance that uses Launchpad OpenID?
[00:15] <rbasak> tsimonq2: AIUI, 2FA is a property of an Ubuntu SSO account, not the consuming service. That's just from observation - I have no specific engineering knowledge of the setup.
[00:15] <rbasak> OTOH, again from observation, it seems to me that different consuming services have different reauth intervals.
[00:16] <rbasak> I have 2FA enabled (as is required for Canonical employees AIUI) and I've never seen a service not cause SSO to require it in addition to my password.
[00:17] <rbasak> (OTOH if I authenticated to SSO recently, then services tend not to require me to reauth at all)
[00:17] <rbasak> HTH.
[00:38] <wgrant> tsimonq2: Launchpad hasn't been an SSO provider for nearly a decade now; login.launchpad.net is now an alias for Ubuntu SSO. On login.ubuntu.com or login.launchpad.net you'll see a toggle in the "Authentication devices" section to always require 2FA for your account, or only require it when a site requests it.
[01:10] <tsimonq2> Aha, thanks, to both of you. :)
[06:25] <cjwatson> wxl: When it's deployed I'll change the bug status to "Fix Released"
[06:25] <wxl> cjwatson: ok i'll stop being a pest XD
[06:26] <cjwatson> wxl: It's normal that "Fix Committed" means "fix is in revision control somewhere but you probably can't actually use it yet"
[12:27] <rbasak> cjwatson: some launchpadlib advice please?
[12:28] <rbasak> I enabled the debugging you suggested, and noticed that I'm making an absolutely excessive number of calls to "GET /devel/ubuntu/disco" and the like.
[12:28] <rbasak> Once for every publication record that we examine.
[12:28] <rbasak> I think it's time to optimise that out, since it's hampering my efforts to debug the current hang.
[12:29] <rbasak> The reason this is happening is that I iterate through source_package_publishing_history objects, and on each one, I look up the distribution name and the series name.
[12:29] <rbasak> I tried @functools.lru_cache, but since I'm wrapped in a different object every time, it's not deduplicating the lookups for different source_package_publishing_history objects that use the same distribution
[12:30] <rbasak> source_package_publishing_history_obj.distribution.name, etc.
[12:30] <rbasak> Every source_package_publishing_history_obj.distribution lookup gives me a new object (eg. different id()) AFAICT.
[12:31] <rbasak> I understand that str(source_package_publishing_history_obj.distribution) would be the same every time, so I can cache myself (launchpadlib API client side) on that.
[12:31] <rbasak> But it'll be painful to do every relevant call.
[12:31] <rbasak> Is there any better way?
[12:32] <rbasak> IOW, the ease of blindly just doing source_package_publishing_history_obj.distribution.name is hurting me now, and I'm not sure how to make the obvious optimisation in a clean and Pythonic way.
[12:33] <rbasak> (each API call does return with 304 Not Modified, but it's still a ludicrous number of round trips)
[12:52] <cjwatson> rbasak: You probably want something that caches based on the value of distribution_link rather than on str(distribution).  The only precedent I know of is the slightly odd wrapping that ubuntu-dev-tools does.
[12:54] <cjwatson> rbasak: Depending on how many different kinds of objects need to be changed, I might suggest something like an object that wraps source_package_publishing_history and has a distribution_name property that keeps a cache on the class keyed off distribution_link.  Something like that.
[12:54] <cjwatson> Tedious if you need to do that kind of thing to lots of kinds of objects, but OK if it's just a few.
[19:24] <sbeattie> rbasak: hey, do you have a pointer to the debugging you added? I have an lplib script I need to do some optimizing/caching for.


[01:01] <xubuntu46i> Hi Guys, any chance you could point me in the right direction and how to hopefully work with you and this distribution that I like so much ! Any advice would help ... you could also email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or check my Linkedin for some references ... thanks and have a great day ! www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-fuensalida-serrano
[11:44] <Kryuna> Hi guys. does anyone have any experience with steam play and witcher 3? I'm trying to launch it on xubuntu with a gtx 1050ti but it just goes back to 'play" on the steam status after i try to launch it - in other words, it's not launching at all!
[11:46] <Alabalistic> Kryuna, did you go to Proton Settings
[11:47] <Kryuna> where is that?
[11:47] <Alabalistic> in steam you must opt for using proton
[11:47] <Kryuna> yes i have that all checked
[11:48] <Kryuna> proton 5.0-9
[11:49] <Alabalistic> I checked in steam the game is rated Windows only
[11:49] <diogenes_> Kryuna, run: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:50] <Kryuna> well yes for officially supported steam play. but proton 5.0-9 database says people can run it
[11:50] <diogenes_> share the url.
[11:50] <Kryuna> https://www.protondb.com/app/292030
[11:50] <Alabalistic> https://www.maketecheasier.com/play-witcher3-on-linux/
[11:52] <Alabalistic> feedback from AMD Players is good, Nvidia is bad, maybe driver issue
[11:54] <Kryuna> i'll be right back going to restart because steam isn't launching for some reason
[11:55] <Alabalistic> Proton:3.7-3
[11:55] <Alabalistic> Distro:Debian buster (testing) 64bit kernel 4.16.16-2
[11:55] <Alabalistic> GPU Driver:NVIDIA 390.77-1
[11:55] <Alabalistic> Other Specs:i5-4460 / 1050ti
[11:55] <Kryuna> I'm bacc
[11:56] <Alabalistic> Proton:3.7-3
[11:56] <Alabalistic> Other Specs:i5-4460 / 1050ti
[11:56] <Alabalistic> GPU Driver:NVIDIA 390.77-1
[11:56] <Alabalistic> Distro:Debian buster (testing) 64bit kernel 4.16.16-2
[11:56] <Kryuna> that works?
[11:57] <Alabalistic> a bis spam, so I check the link you send and find only one repport for your gpu
[12:04] <Kryuna> ok
[12:04] <Kryuna> I'll figure it out
[12:11] <Alabalistic> well steam summer sale :) I have 2 more games :)
[12:19] <Kryuna> which games