[06:14] <superfly> goeie nag oom Kilos
[06:14] <Kilos> lekker slaap superfly
[06:14] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[06:14] <Kilos> oh and inetpro
[08:41] <Langjan> Hi all, how you doing Kilos?
[08:41] <Kilos> ok ty Langjan and you?
[08:42] <Langjan> Fine thks just cold
[08:42] <Kilos> had a couple more tough days but not too bad today
[08:42] <Langjan> visiting the kids in Centurion
[08:42] <Kilos> yip winter has struck
[08:42] <Langjan> Missing the Bushveld
[08:42] <Kilos> haha spoilt with warmer weather
[08:42] <Langjan> You not been feeling well?
[08:43] <Kilos> na had some bad chest days and still feel bruised, but not too bad
[08:43] <Kilos> just head a nuisance
[08:43] <Langjan> Yes very spoilt, I enjoy being spoilt
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:45] <Langjan> Rustenburg cannot be too bad
[08:45] <Kilos> we havent had frost yet but 3°c is way too low for me
[08:46] <Langjan> Yes thats quite cold
[08:46] <Langjan> Dont know what it is here but probably the same or less
[08:46] <Kilos> eish
[08:47] <Kilos> i spend quite a lot of time sitting in the sun
[08:47] <Langjan> They are on a ridge overlooking Centurion, its Highveld
[08:49] <Kilos> the  whole tvl gets too cold
[08:49] <Kilos> durban much better
[08:49] <Kilos> or north coast even better
[08:49] <Langjan> Mozambique better
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[08:50] <Langjan> Get above Tropic of Capricorn
[08:50] <Kilos> yip
[08:50] <Kilos> i enjoyed the north coast above empangeni
[08:51] <Kilos> never got cold there
[08:51] <Kilos> like where mage was
[08:51] <Langjan> Lovely coast that
[08:51] <Kilos> hluhluwe and up
[08:51] <Langjan> mage?
[08:51] <Kilos> st lucia had too many mosquitos
[08:51] <Kilos> magespawn
[08:52] <Langjan> Kosi Bay used to be my favourite hangout before we built the camp at Pomene
[08:54] <Kilos> lovely up there
[08:55] <Kilos> other bays too, i forget the names
[08:55] <Kilos> and a game park up there somewhere
[08:55] <Langjan> Sodwana and Black Rock
[08:55] <Kilos> and that massive dam where they grow pineapples
[08:55] <Kilos> ya sodwana
[08:55] <Langjan> Ndumo
[08:56] <Langjan> Jozini
[08:56] <Kilos> thats it
[08:56] <Langjan> Makatini flats
[08:56] <Kilos> yeah
[08:56] <Kilos> wow all that forgotten
[08:56] <Langjan> Pongola pans
[08:56] <Langjan> Makanes drift
[08:57] <Kilos> your memory is good
[08:57] <Langjan> Thembe elephant reserve
[08:57] <Kilos> lemme do a prostate run quick
[08:57] <Langjan> Mabibi
[09:00] <Langjan> Banga neck
[09:00] <Kilos> there was a tiny town/village on the border. i built a standby power room for the post office there
[09:01] <Langjan> Used to be Maputa, then became Kwanganase
[09:02] <Kilos> nono inland
[09:02] <Kilos> i think it had a short name
[09:02] <Kilos> nm thinking hurts head
[09:02] <Langjan> Ingwavuma?
[09:03] <Kilos> north on the jozini road
[09:03] <Kilos> that sounds familiar
[09:03] <Kilos> thought it was a short name
[09:03] <Langjan> No town between Kwanganase and Ingwavuma
[09:04] <Langjan> on top of the mountain
[09:04] <Langjan> or a bit further south is Ubombo
[09:04] <Kilos> no man north with the north road past the turn offs to hluwehluwe and jozini
[09:04] <Langjan> Jozini in between
[09:05] <Kilos> i think it was ingwavuma
[09:05] <Langjan> Mbazwane
[09:05] <Kilos> ill look at a map one day
[09:05] <Langjan> Mkuze?
[09:05] <Kilos> not important to remember man
[09:05] <Kilos> no past mkuze
[09:05] <Kilos> i worked there as well
[09:05] <Langjan> Pongola
[09:06] <Kilos> north near the border
[09:06] <Kilos> no
[09:06] <Kilos> stop now
[09:06] <Kilos> eish
[09:06] <Langjan> oh at the Swazi border?
[09:06] <Kilos> yes
[09:06] <Kilos> maybe
[09:06] <Kilos> lol
[09:07] <Langjan> I'll remember it just now
[09:07] <Kilos> nm
[09:08] <Langjan> En route to Ponta D'Oura
[09:08] <Kilos> dunno
[09:10] <Kilos> stop now
[09:10] <Kilos> rest
[09:12] <Langjan> Golela
[09:13] <Kilos> ya thats it
[09:13] <Kilos> well done oh deaf one
[09:14] <Langjan> thks
[09:14] <Kilos> on the border if i remember right
[09:14] <Langjan> Know that area well
[09:14] <Langjan> Yes part of the town is in SA and the rest in Swaziland
[09:15] <Kilos> im sure i told kids at school thinking is bad for the brain, now i have proof
[09:15] <Langjan> Also on the railway line
[09:15] <Langjan> My friend used to own the hotel
[09:15] <Kilos> ah
[09:15] <Kilos> pity i didnt know then
[09:16] <Langjan> they lived in SA and business was in Swaziland, in the same town
[09:16] <Kilos> i think i still drank in those days
[09:16] <Kilos> well at parties and occasions
[09:16] <Kilos> never on my own
[09:16] <Langjan> Yes main business was the bar and bottle store
[09:16] <Langjan> Mc Intyre
[09:17] <Kilos> was  tough working all over and not having friends nearby
[09:17] <Langjan> I'm sure
[09:17] <Langjan> What years was that?
[09:17] <Kilos> maybe 70's
[09:18] <Langjan> Proobably before Mac's time, I think he took over the hotel circa 1980
[09:19] <Kilos> ah
[09:19] <Langjan> Maybe a bit before...
[09:19] <Langjan> Long time, cannot remember
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:22] <Kilos> lifetime ago
[09:22] <Langjan> Leaving you now, spend some time with grandkids
[09:22] <Langjan> Yes indeed
[09:22] <Kilos> many of my school friends are already in the happy hunting grounds
[09:22] <Kilos> enjoy
[09:23] <Kilos> ty for the visit
[09:23] <Kilos> take care
[09:23] <Langjan> My pleasure, same to you thks
[09:23] <Kilos> ty my friend
[12:22] <captine> day all
[12:22] <Kilos> hi captine
[12:39] <captine> how you doing Kilos
[12:40] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[13:41] <captine> am ok
[13:41] <captine> thanks.  just chilling for the weekend
[14:30] <Kilos> weekend again
[14:30] <Kilos> holy moly
[15:59] <Kilos> power cut, be back when i can. you all be good
[18:02] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos jy slaap te veel
[18:02] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:02] <inetpro> good evenings
[19:04] <smile> Maaz: tell inetpro hello from smile
[19:04] <Maaz> smile: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[19:04] <smile> :P


[07:44] <coagen> wow
[07:44] <coagen> theres people here
[07:44] <coagen> groovy
[14:09] <markqvist> Hi there everyone? Anyone awake? :)
[14:10] <markqvist> I'd be very happy if anyone could give me some pointers on how to edit the desktop in ubuntu mobile. So that i can add my own apps to the desktop and remove the ones i don't need.
[14:10] <markqvist> I tried searching, but can't really find any pointers
[14:11] <markqvist> And the stuff i've been able to find in my file system doesn't really make any sense to me...
[14:26] <lool> markqvist: These follow some form of the XDG spec: .desktop files below /usr/share/applications with Category=Mobile;:
[22:07] <kimus> hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu-mobile on my pc
[22:08] <kimus> did a minimal install and ubuntu-dektop
[22:08] <kimus> startx starts openbox fine
[22:09] <kimus> how can I start hildon now? start-hildon uses matchbox and has DISPLAY=:1 hardcoded
[22:11] <kimus> hello?
[22:14] <kimus> anyone?
[22:16] <kimus> ok... i'll try to put start-hildon script on ~/.xinitrc


[01:49] <Unit193> skellat: Howdy doody!
[01:50] <skellat> Good evening
[01:50] <skellat> What is new?
[01:50] <Unit193> Looks like the driver for my display is going to stop
[01:50] <Unit193> *Ubuntu is going to stop using it
[01:51] <skellat> Which one is that?
[01:52] <skellat> nouveau?  s3?  mirage?
[01:52] <Cheri703> o/
[01:52] <Unit193> 8xx chipset (Via email)\
[01:52] <skellat> 8xx chipset hasn't had good support for a good two years now
[01:52] <Unit193> I've noticed...
[01:53] <Unit193> Do you happen to know ANY distro that may have something that works?
[01:54] <skellat> With 8xx?  I had to go out and buy a video card so I could disable the motherboard's stuff for Ubuntu and openSUSE.  You might try Puppy Linux to see if it will boot cleanly, though.
[01:54] <skellat> Lucid Puppy is the version of Puppy Linux that is binary compatible with Ubuntu Lucid Lynx
[01:55] <Unit193> It just randomly has screen freezes...
[01:56] <skellat> My Frankenstein box is running Puppy nicely and is giving less trouble with video than Xubuntu was giving me
[01:56] <Unit193> I'll test that... If that doesn't work, I may have to switch back :/
[01:57] <skellat> Be forewarned, Puppy uses JWM and OpenBox
[01:57] <skellat> And ROX-Filer
[01:57] <skellat> And is Australian in origin
[01:57] <Unit193> I have booted it a few times, but never liked it that much :/
[01:57] <skellat> It is really stable with my full install to hard disk
[01:58] <canthus13> Puppy is decent.
[01:58] <canthus13> It's got a nice live/persistent hybrid thing going on, too.
[01:59] <skellat> For now, I'm letting it be the sole OS on the Frankenstein box
[01:59] <skellat> If I get bored, I may move Franky to Tiny Core Linuc
[02:00] <skellat> s/Linuc/Linux
[02:02] <skellat> We need a push for a minimal GUI Ubuntu
[02:02] <canthus13> skellat: I'm working on Openbox.
[02:03] <canthus13> skellat: It'd be cool if we could get it made into an official version...
[02:03] <skellat> canthus13: Is a metapackage out there yet to turn a desktop into one based on OpenBox?
[02:03] <canthus13> although, truthfully, it won't be *that* minimal.
[02:03] <canthus13> skellat: Unfortunately, no.
[02:03] <skellat> canthus13: That's a step that needs to be handled so that things could move along
[02:03] <canthus13> skellat: I need a spare machine to build up from a minimal CD, so I can get that going.
[02:03] <skellat> canthus13: I think that's what the Lubuntu folks did even before they were deemed official
[02:04] <skellat> canthus13: Ripping the hard drive out of Franky would free up hardware but only temporarily
[02:05] <skellat> Is it time to start trolling garage sales looking for spare boxes?
[02:05] <canthus13> skellat: I suppose I could consolidate a couple of my servers...
[02:06] <skellat> canthus13: Put a call out on the mailing list to see if anybody has unused hardware so you can build your own Frankenstein testbed
[02:07] <canthus13> skellat: I'll pull something together.  I have parts...  :)  (Also, I can give my wife directions when she's lost that way. :)
[02:17] <skellat> That works if you've got consistent coverage.  We have spots in Ashtabula County that only get Inmarsat service as none of the big 4 will provide coverage
[02:32]  * skellat walks out of the room for the moment
[02:42] <canthus13> blargh.  Power dip killed my servers... and one of 'em isn't coming back up. :(
[02:42] <canthus13> Fortunately, it was just a sauerbraten server.
[02:42]  * canthus13 can move that to another machine.
[02:43]  * skrappjaw is here.
[02:43] <canthus13> Oh well.. that machine's name didn't fit in with the rest of the network anyway. :/
[02:43] <skrappjaw> lol. i feel like a super hero.
[02:43] <canthus13> skrappjaw: You should wear a cape.  And tights.  in public.
[02:43] <canthus13> ...And if you do, post pics. :)
[02:44]  * skrappjaw has been known to sport spandex and goggles.
[02:44] <skrappjaw> I was a swimmer in highschool. Got my letter. :)
[05:34] <Unit193> http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/171285/parting-linux-and-mono Why you should move to linux if you don't like webapps
[06:27] <Cheri703> So here's a question: anyone have a router that a. they don't want anymore, b. they don't want money for, and c. can run alternate firmware (ideally something I can mess with QoS settings on)?
[13:40] <canthus13> Cheri703: I have a router that fits A&B... but not C. :/
[14:31] <canthus13> http://baconipsum.com/
[14:39] <thafreak> http://shop.mattel.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4032107
[14:40] <thafreak> computer engineer barbie
[14:40] <thafreak> well, she has a laptop, pda and glasses...so I guess that's what makes some one a computer engieer
[14:52] <canthus13> old link is old... :)
[14:53] <Cheri703> thafreak: is there a reason she can't be a computer engineer?
[14:53] <Cheri703> and for the record, there is a picture of tux on the "shelf" on it somewhere
[14:56] <thafreak> there's no reason...I just wish it wasn't so....barbie I guess
[14:57] <thafreak> my kids just started getting the barbies....we didn't want them to have them till much later...but we had a birthday party...so my oldest got some barbies
[14:57] <thafreak> now they are everywhere
[14:59] <Cheri703> better to have the "career" barbies than the "OMG FASHION" barbies though
[14:59] <thafreak> yeah, but I guess my point is that these so called career barbies aren't any different than the OMG fashion barbies
[15:00] <thafreak> just because a barbie has a laptop and a pda, doesn't mean she's a computer engineer
[15:00] <thafreak> I guess it's the computer scientist in my being offended more than anything else
[15:00] <thafreak> I mean who doesn't carry around a laptop and a pda these days?
[15:01] <thafreak> I think I'm just grumpy
[15:02] <thafreak> it's my job anyway to make sure my kids grow up to be computer engineers...
[15:02] <thafreak> er, um, I mean know about that as an option :)
[15:07] <thafreak> Anyone interested in the joining of search engines and live tv?
[15:07] <thafreak> I have this college buddy, who I re-connected with, who is also a CS student
[15:07] <thafreak> now all he does is send me these crazy ideas for projects he has, 99.9% of which I have no interest in
[15:08] <canthus13> thafreak: I dunno... cable box search functions could definitely use improvement...
[15:09] <canthus13> (Doesn't google TV handle live TV?
[15:09] <thafreak> he wanted like a show where people discuss the latest hot topics on the internet
[15:09] <thafreak> I was like, you mean like diggnation...i don't think he realized they already had a show like that
[15:09] <canthus13> thafreak: ....Tech TV? Been done, died.
[15:10] <thafreak> half the time, I think he just strings together big words to make his emails sound really "academic"
[15:10] <canthus13> turned into g4, which, while having some really attractive women hosting shows, has very little to do with real tech stuff anymore.
[15:10] <thafreak> it just ends up being that I have no clue what he's talking about....
[15:10] <canthus13> yay technovomit. :)
[15:10] <thafreak> now he wants to do something with the kinnect and real time geographically distributed panel discussions...
[15:11] <thafreak> i keep telling him, I'm interested in virtualization, storage, and maybe a sprinkle of voip
[15:11] <thafreak> he came back with storage, well, what about blah blah blah archive of blah blah blah...
[15:11] <thafreak> his definition of storage and mine are obviously different :)
[15:12] <canthus13> Heh. Maybe he's not really your friend.  maybe he's a spambot pretending to be your friend.
[15:12] <thafreak> I think disks...protocols...he's thinking several layers above all that
[15:12] <thafreak> you know, his emails do sound kind of spammy
[15:15] <thafreak> So, in other news...what's this about citigroup being hacked, and customer credit card info being stolen?
[15:19] <canthus13> What's new?
[15:20] <thafreak> is there any legal recourse?
[15:20] <thafreak> like if that happened to my bank, can my bank be held accountable for being stupid?
[15:24] <canthus13> I think they're held financially responsible...
[15:25]  * canthus13 wonders if it was the bank itself, of it it was a site the bank owns that got hacked...
[17:50] <canthus13> thafreak: Oh wow. Sony is still using windows 2000 servers.
[17:54]  * canthus13 is digging around in Sony's network diagrams that were released by lulzsec.
[19:33] <Unit193> Nice comment http://idle.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2225160&cid=36387084
[23:27] <BiosElement> canthus13:: That's just...
[23:27]  * BiosElement 's mind blows
[23:37] <canthus13> BiosElement: Have you grabbed the file with the network diagrams and the site source code?
[23:37] <canthus13> BiosElement: Most of their servers are win 2003. :/
[23:38] <canthus13> ...But several app servers are running 2k.


[21:06] <Eagleman> genii-around i was under the impression that it showed me way more than that, something like distribution and a nice layout
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> jrtappers  start here for ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[21:07] <Eagleman> genii-around something like this:  http://linuxmoz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/centos-apache-install-default-page.png
[21:07] <genii-around> Eagleman: No, the default one just says "It Works!"
[21:07] <genii-around> Eagleman: Note that is a Centos and not Ubuntu package
[21:08] <Eagleman> yeh i should have mixed those 2 together
[21:08] <jrtappers> any cards that are known to be good /avoided, I have a bit of a habit of getting that 1 part that doesn't work easily
[21:09] <milamber> !hardware | jrtappers
[21:09] <mokujin> someone can speak russian ?
[21:09] <Eagleman> genii-around when i get the page:  Forbidden  how can i remove this at the bottem?  Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at FQDN Port 443
[21:10] <Eagleman> nevermind, i am getting to easy now, already found it
[21:10] <mrec> is there any way to change the language in ubuntu within 10 minutes?
[21:10] <sintella> !list
[21:10] <milamber> !ru | mokujin
[21:11] <mrec> this is the biggest fuckup in ubuntu since system -> administration -> language support is gone it's completely messed up
[21:11] <milamber> !language | mrec
[21:11] <joako> Is there any way I can enable audio output from a service?
[21:12] <genii-around> Eagleman: That setting is in /etc/apache2/conf.d/security file. Set ServerSignature Off   and ServerTokens Server:Apache
[21:12] <Eagleman> i was wrong indeed, i hard coded it in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[21:13] <rasanen7> I would like to configure an MTA so that I could use a client for sending mail through my ISPs mailservers, but also so that any system messages or local emails aren't forwarded to the ISPs servers.
[21:13] <Sazpaimon> does byobu work with putty?
[21:14] <DJones> Sazpaimon: Yes
[21:14] <genii-around> Eagleman: Those variables can be set in a few places, that's one of the files that's a possible for it.
[21:14] <Sazpaimon> I set putty to use Xterm for the function key behavior, and F1-F12 work, but ctrl+f2 doesn't split my window like it should
[21:14] <Sazpaimon> it just spawns a new window
[21:15] <DJones> Sazpaimon: Thats not something I ever used, I justed the basic features
[21:15] <Eagleman> genii-around the security file dominated the httpd file
[21:15] <HeKToN> plase tell me which room is for free talking
[21:15] <erreur> slt
[21:15] <Sazpaimon> and shift+f2 just sends tilde (~) character
[21:15] <erreur> ya qlq1
[21:15] <erreur> ?
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> HeKToN, there's an offtopic channel, #ubuntu-offtopic, but you must still abide by the IRC rules and the Code of Conduct there.
[21:16] <DJones> HeKToN: General chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic, although the normal guidelines for all ubuntu channels still apply
[21:16] <Sazpaimon> well then I guess it doesn't work
[21:16] <HeKToN> thank you :)
[21:18] <joako> I am trying to use VLC in ubuntu but there is no audio output. How can I enable audio for VLC?
[21:18] <Eagleman> Which  ServerName do i have to set if i have 2 FQDN's and 5 virtualhosts ?
[21:18] <erreur> hy how can i installe ubinto on my pc using flash disk
[21:19] <adamk> joako: Use pavucontrol to see if VLC is outputting to pulseaudio.
[21:19] <DJones> erreur: INformation on installing Ubuntu from a flash disk is here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:20] <erreur> thank's DJones
[21:20] <joako> adamk: I think that´s a GUI app? I don´t have GUI access.
[21:21] <adamk> So what kind of files are you trying to play in vlc?  Presumably you're using console front end for vlc?
[21:22] <joako> adamk: I Have a .pls with mp3 streams. I can run it from the GUI and the music plays fine. BUt when I create an upstart script that runs VLC as the same user as before, there is no audio.
[21:23] <erreur> wow this is so chaos
[21:23] <erreur> eavry bodey talk's in da same time
[21:23] <joako> It appears to playback, but no audio actually comes from the soundcard. I am using the HTTP interface
[21:23] <erreur> how can i talke to somme one alone
[21:23] <Eagleman> !pm erreur
[21:24] <rgms> !pm
[21:24] <Eagleman> you will get used to it erreur
[21:25] <erreur> hope soo
[21:25] <Eagleman> took me 3.5 years
[21:25] <erreur> but hhhh alright nothing
[21:25] <erreur> lol
[21:25] <Eagleman> just joking :P
[21:26] <erreur> :p
[21:26] <DJones> erreur: You'll find that if somebody is speaking directly to you, in most cases, they'll say your nick at the start of the line which should highlight you in your irc client
[21:27] <erreur> hey i can probably speac french fluéntly not english
[21:27] <erreur> soo go eazy
[21:27] <Eagleman> !fs
[21:27] <erreur> plz
[21:27] <Eagleman> !fe
[21:27] <ilcadmin> hmm came here just to say hi lol:P
[21:27] <Eagleman> !fr
[21:27] <Eagleman> finally
[21:28] <carl-eric> Argh. It seems Ubuntu really is learning from Gnome and removing features, even from the damn installer. Ubiquity doesn't seem to allow the custom luks options the old alternate installer did.
[21:28] <rasanen7> Let's try this another way: What combination of an MTA and mail client would you recommend for the task of sending simply emails like system messages (through CLI/scripts) via my ISPs mail server?
[21:28] <erreur> it's ok i like it en englais c mieux
[21:28] <erreur> comme sa
[21:29] <Eagleman> I am running on port 443 ( HTTPS ) do i also need a ServerName Directive for that?
[21:29] <blno> erreur: you still write in french, and with lots of typos with that… (mais t'écris pourtant en français, et en sms en plus…)
[21:30] <ilcadmin> can anyone give me a link to "how to compile in xubuntu" (c++ i`m interested) thanks
[21:30] <erreur> wé est ... ?
[21:30] <Joba_Tett> Help me?
[21:30] <Joba_Tett> It says: /home/jobatett/Downloads/Builds.zip.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.
[21:30] <Joba_Tett> I'm using FF and need to download a file.
[21:31] <joako> Is there any way to remove Pulse Audio in ubuntu and replace it with something more reliable?
[21:31] <ESphynx> Hey guys, how can I work around 'error: undefined reference to `glwMDrawingAreaWidgetClass'' while safekeeping my sanity?
[21:31] <joako> When I run a program from the GUI i get audio but when I run something from SSH I don´t get audio
[21:31] <blno> erreur: and so people won't help you here if you use French. And nobody will want to help you if you continue to type like you're texting too.
[21:31] <joako> And I don´t get any error!
[21:31] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Where do you expect to get the audio via ssh?
[21:32] <erreur> aaaah ok thank's so this chat thing is to help & stuf like that
[21:32] <joako> jhutchins_wk: From the same soundcard in the machine that works in the GUI
[21:32] <usr13> blno: First, you need to install package build-essential
[21:32] <blno> erreur: yep. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
[21:32] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Sorry, no congruent description.
[21:33] <erreur> i dont have any problems so they help me
[21:33] <erreur> nn its ok i get it now
[21:33] <erreur> mérçiiiiiii
[21:33] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Do you expect it on the system you are originitating the ssh session from, or the remote system?
[21:33] <erreur> ops thank you
[21:33] <dlynes_laptop> erreur, Well, if you have no problems, you can always stick around and help others
[21:33] <usr13> !compile | blno
[21:34] <joako> jhutchins_wk: I run the program in the GUI and audio comes from the system´s sound card. I want to be able to run the same program as a service and have the audio come from the same sound card.
[21:34] <dlynes_laptop> erreur, merci beaucoups m'sieur
[21:34] <jhutchins_wk> joako: If I ssh to my workstation upstairs and do mpg123 daisy.mpg, the computer upstairs will sing "Daisy, Daisy" while the one I'm on will essentially do nothing.
[21:34] <usr13> !packages | blno
[21:34] <blno> usr13: it wasn't me who asked about compilation
[21:34] <Apachez> Linus Thorvalds tells kernel developer a merry xmas ;)   https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75
[21:34] <usr13> blno: Oh, sorry
[21:34] <randomuser33> Hello Ubuntu gawds, quick question...Would the latest version of ubuntu read exFat out of the box or would I need to install a package?
[21:34] <erreur> ok i'will but i cant understand somme words in english
[21:35] <erreur> it's ok i'll  try my best
[21:35] <randomuser33> erreur: Google translate ftw
[21:35] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Some of the players/collection managers provide an interface that will allow you to control them remotely, but they usually have to be launched locally.
[21:36] <ESphynx> man I love Linus lol
[21:36] <joako> jhutchins_wk: The issue is no the interface. THe issue is if I don´t launch from the GUI there is no audio output
[21:36] <dlynes_laptop> erreur, bien quit, your english is just fine
[21:36] <erreur> ok thank's
[21:37] <erreur> Dlynes_lapltop
[21:37] <usr13> joako: What exactly are you trying to do?
[21:38] <blno> is there a channel to discuss the new Ubuntu phone announcement?
[21:38] <joako> usr13: I am trying to run VLC a service. When I run VLC as a service or through SSH there is no sound output. WHen I run VLC from the GUI there is sound output
[21:38] <dlynes_laptop> blno, #ubuntu-discuss
[21:38] <jhutchins_wk> joako: That would be reasonable.  Your audio system is essentialy owned by the local GUI.  If you launch a GUI app remotely the display is forwarded, but the GUI already has control of the local sound.
[21:38] <blno> dlynes_laptop: thanks
[21:38] <joako> And I just ran MPG123 from SSH and again there is no sound output
[21:38] <zirpu> anyone had ethernet and wifi disappear after the latest update to network-manager-gnome ?
[21:38] <jhutchins_wk> joako: You would have to trigger the GUI app to launch in the existing local session.  There are ways to do that, but I don't know them.
[21:38] <DJones> blno: The discussion has been moved to #ubuntu-phone
[21:39] <joako> Previously I had openSUSE and I could run VLC as a service
[21:39] <blno> DJones: great, thanks
[21:39] <jhutchins_wk> joako: On the other hand, text based apps are not using X forwarding, and they can often access the mixer on the local system (as above with mpg123).
[21:39] <dlynes_laptop> DJones, thanks for the update....been sending everyone to #ubuntu-discuss :)
[21:39] <joako> I never said I was using x forwarding. And I said MPG123 also does not output audio
[21:40] <joako> What if I just didn´t want a GUI? I Could not use audio?
[21:40] <usr13> joako: That is normal.  The audio will originate [only] from the local PC.
[21:40] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Supposedly one of the reasons for pulseaudio is that you can run a -local- app on your machine and forward the sound to the output of a remote machine.  Again, I don't have details.
[21:40] <joako> usr13: So what is needed to enable the sound?
[21:40] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Investigate why mpg123 isn't working.  Does the user have permission to access /dev/dsp?
[21:41] <jhutchins_wk> joako: Are you running pulse or straight ALSA?
[21:41] <joako> jhutchins_wk: I am using the same user for the GUI and SSH. And I am using whatever is the default in Ubuntu 12.04
[21:42] <usr13> joako: The should should be heard on the pc that the app runs on.  Now, from a ssh session to another PC,  you may not even be able to run a gui app like vlc without first setting the display to the local machine with command:  export DISPLAY=:0.0  After that you should be able to run a gui app on the remote PC.
[21:43] <joako> usr13: VLC doesn´t need a GUI and that doesn´t explan why CLI-only mpg123 doesn´t work.
[21:44] <joako> I used to have openSUSE and I could run VLC as a service with the HTTP interface just fine and audio would come out of the machine´s sound card. Now in ubutnu I can not get sound as a service, or from SSH basically it has to be done MANUALLY from the local GUI.
[21:44] <usr13> joako: mpg123 should work as well, yes, and the audio should be heard on the PC that the app resides on.  Maybe you just need to turn up the volume.  Try alsamixer.
[21:45] <Jordan_U> joako: Pulseaudio automatically routs sound to the same place that $DISPLAY is going. You can also manually direct it to a remote machine.
[21:45] <vinceakavince> hey yall i dont know if this is where i should ask about having trouble installing ubuntu or not. but im having some difficulties
[21:45] <joako> Jordan_U: I don´t know what that means. There isn´t a display so maybe that´s the problem
[21:45] <randomuser33> Hello Ubuntu gawds, quick question...Would the latest version of ubuntu read exFat out of the box or would I need to install a package?
[21:46] <k1l_> !ask | vinceakavince
[21:46] <Jordan_U> joako: $DISPLAY is the variable related to X which tells applications which X Display (which doesn't neccessarily correspond to a physical display) to send commands to.
[21:46] <joako> usr13: Just turned up the volume to max on everythign and still nothing
[21:47] <Jordan_U> joako: It's basically (though not quite) the only difference between "ssh foo@bar" and "ssh -X foo@bar".
[21:47] <usr13> joako: Jordan_U is addressing your issue .
[21:47] <bekks> randomuser33: Looks like you have to install fuse-exfat for using exfat.
[21:47] <zirpu> here's a fun bug:  install arping and it uninstalls network-manager.  that was fun.
[21:47] <joako> Jordan_U: So what should I put in /etc/init/vlc.conf upstart script so audio will play?
[21:47] <randomuser33> Oh okay. I assumed I would have to do someting. Thanks! bekks
[21:48] <Jordan_U> joako: So the first thing I would try is "ssh -X foo@bar" then running mpg123 within that ssh session, though I'm not sure that will work as I haven't tried it before.
[21:48] <iceroot> zirpu: you created a bug for that already?
[21:48] <joako> Jordan_U: I am SSH in from a Windows PC
[21:48] <sander__> Can anyone point me in the right direction for how to contribute with graphics design work to any ubuntu related project?
[21:48] <usr13> To the question about exFAT:  http://superuser.com/questions/436368/how-to-open-exfat-ssd-in-ubuntu-12-04
[21:49] <DJones> !contribute | sander__ This should be a good place to start,
[21:51] <iceroot> zirpu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arping/+bug/119597
[21:51] <Jordan_U> joako: Then you're probably not going to be able to get this working automatically via ssh, because you need some network routable sound system to get the sound from the PC running mpeg123 to the machine you're sitting in front of, and pulseaudio is pretty much it for that. Though pulseaudio can be installed and used in Windows, I doubt that it integrates nicely with ssh clients to automatically route sound.
[21:52] <dcrouch> Hello everyone.
[21:52] <easy_err> hi, i have a compaq presario cq56, with a realtek rtl8191se 802.11b/g/n wifi adapter. I'm using Easypeasy OS based on ubuntu. I manage to connect to the wireless network but i'm unable to access any page whatsoever nor am I able to login to skype, empathy etc. any idea please?
[21:52] <joako> Jordan_U: I think you misunderstood me. I don´t want to direct the audio anywhere. SSH is just a test. I want VLC to run as a service and I want the audio to come from the local machine´s sound card
[21:52] <joako> But the same issue when I ssh is that audio is not output
[21:53] <dcrouch> Is there a way to get into single-user mode to reset root password on a local machine if fast boot options are enabled?   (No splash screen or anything at prompt, we just land in login menu).
[21:53] <usr13> joako: Have you tested the sound system?  If not, try play: /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*
[21:54] <usr13> joako: Have you tested the sound system?  If not, try:   play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*
[21:54] <Jordan_U> joako: Ahh, then I think you're running into a security problem. By default only the user at the active tty can output sound (so for example if you switch users, the old user's apps won't be able to play sound until you switch back to it).
[21:54] <joako> usr13: When I login via the GUI I can run VLC and everything plays fine, But when I run mpg123 or VLC from an SSH session.... or from an upstart script then there is no audio
[21:54] <Jordan_U> joako: And it's not based on UID (though I don't know exactly what it is based on).
[21:55] <lahwran> does anyone have a fresh install of ubuntu handy? would you tell me if it has the python-twisted package installed?
[21:55] <joako> Jordan_U: So what file do I need to chmod 777 to allow the audio from anywhere?
[21:55] <Jordan_U> joako: I can think of an ugly hack which will probably work though (and also may help you examine the situation to find out how to do this properly).
[21:56] <brendan_> is there a way to specify the directory in which a package via apt-get is installed to?
[21:56] <joako> Jordan_U: Please do go on
[21:56] <brendan_> ie: going to be using apt-get to install libyaml-dev, but would like it to go to /usr/local
[21:56] <Jordan_U> joako: Try opening a terminal on the physical machine, and start screen. Then ssh in and "screen -x" to connect to that screen session and run mpeg123 from there.
[21:57] <usr13> joako: That is an anomaly.  What is the OS?
[21:57] <joako> Jordan_U: 1) I don´t have access to the screen right now. 2) How would i do that from a startup script?
[21:57] <joako> usr13: Ubuntu 12.04
[21:57] <Jordan_U> joako: If that works, you can examine the differences between the environment inside and outside the screen session to maybe figure out how to do this properly.
[21:58] <usr13> joako: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[21:59] <joako> Can I remove pulse audio and use something else?
[21:59] <vinceakavince> im here on a friends pc. my computer that i want ubuntu on doesnt have a working browser. i downloaded the ubuntu 12.10 iso file, ran the universal usb installer.exe and formatted the usb and all that. restarted my computer, went to the boot options, selected the usb, and its saying "no configuration file found"
[21:59] <easy_err> hi, i have a compaq presario cq56, with a realtek rtl8191se 802.11b/g/n wifi adapter. I'm using Easypeasy OS based on ubuntu. I manage to connect to the wireless network but i'm unable to access any page whatsoever nor am I able to login to skype, empathy etc. any idea please?
[22:00] <usr13> joako: Yes.  YOu can remove pulseaudio and you'll be left with alsa
[22:00] <ESphynx> hey guys, why doesn't nm /usr/lib/libGLw.so.1.0.0 have any symbols at all?
[22:00] <joako> usr13: and alsa doesn´t need a GUI or have all of these ¨security¨ ¨features´ ?
[22:02] <usr13> joako: I don't know what the problem is.  Jordan_U and myself have given you several tips on how to troubleshoot the problem but I think we've pretty much exausted the possibilities.
[22:02] <usr13> joako: Try alsamixer
[22:03] <jonasthomas_> I have a dump question.  I'm running 10.04 and supposedly libgl1-mesa-glx 7.10.1-0ubuntu2 will cure all sort of problems
[22:03] <jonasthomas_> currently I have 7.7.1-1ubuntu3.1 in 10.04   Is there a way to back port this into 10.04 or is this going to force me into 12.04?
[22:03] <jrtappers> easy_err: can you ping any addresses?
[22:03] <joako> usr13: Yes when I run alsamixer I set the volumes to max
[22:03] <usr13> joako: Did you try  play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*  ?
[22:03] <joako> I try to remove pulseaudio but it trys to remove others like gnome-session and vlc
[22:04] <joako> usr13: No but I tried mpg123 http://some/stream
[22:04] <usr13> joako: Try  play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*  ?
[22:04] <easy_err> i cannot ping anything
[22:05] <jrtappers> Not addresses or IP's?
[22:05] <usr13> easy_err: What are you trying to ping?  IP addresses, or domain names?
[22:06] <Jordan_U> joako: Try "pasuspender mpeg123 foo.mp3" as that will suspend pulseaudio and have mpeg123 talk directly to alsa.
[22:06] <brendan_> is there a way to specify the directory in which a package via apt-get is installed to? ie: using like --prefix= when doing a source install so i can specify the path for the  apt-get install libyaml-dev?
[22:06] <usr13> easy_err: I can't "ping anything"  either, but I CAN ping a valid domain name and I can ping IP addresses that exist on my LAN.
[22:07] <usr13> brendan_: Not that I know of....
[22:07] <Jordan_U> joako: If that also fails then pulseaudio probably isn't what's arbitrating access to the sound card for this security feature (or at least isn't the only thing arbitrating access).
[22:07] <jrtappers> easy_err: Have you got an IP adress from DCHP?
[22:07] <joako> Jordan_U: ¨Feautre¨ not feature
[22:07] <usr13> easy_err: Do you have a network problem?
[22:07] <Jordan_U> brendan_: No. Why do you want to?
[22:08] <brendan_> because im currently compiling libyaml via source for a specific version
[22:08] <brendan_> and we are specifying the prefix as /usr/local
[22:08] <usr13> brendan_: You could use a symlink
[22:08] <brendan_> for use with ruby, etc.
[22:09] <ggherdov> Hi all. I have little knowledge of the lifecycle of an Ubuntu version. What is, now, the lowest version of Ubuntu that is, somehow, supported? I mean, if I am writing a software, and would like it to be packaged for Ubuntu, what is the lowest Ubuntu release that I need to make sure my thing is compatible with?
[22:09] <brendan_> it may work as is, but was curious
[22:09] <jrtappers> Is my name showing as registered, I don't know if I did it right or not
[22:09] <usr13> jrtappers: see for yourself.
[22:10] <Muphrid> ggherdov: 10.04 LTS which will end its life in march or april. If you would like to package something it is better to contribute to debian instead, then it will flow to ubuntu
[22:10] <usr13> jrtappers: Yes.  You are James.  Right?
[22:10] <joako> Jordan_U: No pasuspender doesn´t work either
[22:10] <brendan_> Jordan_U: im trying to make management easier, but not create new problem(s)
[22:10] <jrtappers> Yes, thanks
[22:10] <brendan_> working with Puppet
[22:10] <jrtappers> I am just getting used to this
[22:11] <ggherdov> Muphrid: really? I had the impression that packages comes first at Ubuntu, and later at Debian. I mean, Ubuntu has newer version of packages.
[22:11] <shiloh> is ubuntu going get rid of infinity anytime soon or is this it now?
[22:11] <MonkeyDust> shiloh  you mean Unity?
[22:11] <usr13> jrtappers: YOu can do:  /whois jrtappers
[22:11] <Muphrid> ggherdov: Ubuntu imports from debian Sid (regular releases) and testing (lts). Debian comes first
[22:11] <shiloh> MonkeyDust: yes sir, meant unity
[22:11] <ggherdov> Muphrid: ok
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> shiloh  you can easily install something else, if you don't like Unity
[22:12] <jrtappers> usr13: that doesn't seem to work for me
[22:12] <Jordan_U> ggherdov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline
[22:12] <easy_err> i am trying to ping addresses not ip's and yes, I think i have a network problem since I get connected to the network successfully but i am unable tu surf the web
[22:12] <jrtappers> I get nothing back
[22:12] <ggherdov> Jordan_U: thx
[22:13] <usr13> jrtappers: CHeck status window (Not sure what client you are using, but...)
[22:13] <shiloh> MonkeyDust: understood, i used to like it with gnome but have left, was just curious if they were going to move back or not.
[22:13] <jrtappers> usr13: XChat
[22:13] <jrtappers> easy_err: What IP do you get for google.com?
[22:13] <Jordan_U> ggherdov: You're welcome.
[22:14] <usr13> easy_err: route -n  #What is the gateway address?
[22:14] <usr13> easy_err: (Should be your gateway router's IP)
[22:14] <rstrt> Ok, I just saw the news about the Ubuntu phone. Does that imply that I can install Ubuntu over top of existing Android devices?
[22:14] <jrtappers> shiloh: you can install other window managers
[22:15] <easy_err> well, i gotta boot into linux to check...be right back...
[22:15] <usr13> easy_err: Wait
[22:15] <jrtappers> rstrt: Not yet, it seems to mean OEMS can add it, but some ROMS may happen
[22:15] <easy_err> k
[22:16] <jrtappers> rstrt, but if you want it on an android device at the moment there is a way with vnc I think...
[22:16] <rstrt> jrtappers; ah. Thanks. I don't want to run VNC into Ubuntu, It would be cool if I could load it onto my Gnex to test, we'll see where it goes.
[22:17] <jrtappers> Think that is one of the devices that will get a Beta Version in the next few weeks, il check
[22:17] <usr13> easy_err: Check the gateway IP first, see that it is, in fact, your gateway router's IP.  Then see what nameserver you are using, cat /etc/resolv.conf  It may be the router's IP and if so, you need to have your router's caching nameserver turned on and the router should have a valid nameserver from outside that it uses.  If not, or if you want to just sidestep all that, just <IP_ADDRESS>  as your nameserver.
[22:17] <shiloh> jrtappers: understood, i might research that a little bit and try.
[22:17] <genteor> quit
[22:18] <jrtappers> shiloh, what Window Manager wold you like
[22:18] <joako> How do I disable the /etc/init.d/pulseaudio service?
[22:18] <usr13> easy_err: Also, check your IP.  ifconfig  See that you have been given an IP within the subnet of your router's dhcp pool. (Probably 192.168.1.x or something to that order.)
[22:19] <usr13> easy_err: Ok, you can go.
[22:19] <easy_err> thx
[22:19] <usr13> joako: sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[22:20] <joako> usr13: It tries to remove other stuff too. So I just want to disable the service
[22:20] <joako> Not sure if /sbin/chckconfig is compatible in Ubuntu...
[22:20] <usr13> joako: What other stuff?  (Does it matter?
[22:21] <joako> usr13: I am not 1000% sure but it´s called bluecherry-desktop and I do not want to remove it. I just want to disable the pulseaudio from hell without deleting it right now
[22:21] <usr13> joako: chkconfig ?
[22:22] <usr13> joako: I'm not 1000% sure either, but just remove it.
[22:22] <joako> No. Can you just answer the question? How do I disable a service in Ubuntu?
[22:22] <usr13> joako: What does chkconfig have to do with any of this?
[22:22] <joako> usr13: I want to disalbe the /etc/init.d/pulseaudio service
[22:23] <joako> and in my system there´s no /sbin/chkconfig
[22:23] <usr13> joako: Just uninstall it.  What's the problem?
[22:23] <joako> usr13: IT WANTS TO REMOVE PACKAGES THAT **I** DONT WANT TO REMOVE
[22:23] <shiloh> jrtappers: i like gnome for use and mate for when playing some games
[22:23] <usr13> joako: Why not?
[22:24] <joako> usr13: because I dont want to
[22:24] <usr13> joako: YOu can always re-install later on if you want them back.
[22:24] <usr13> joako: Ok, never mind.
[22:24] <jrtappers> shiloh, you on 12.10?
[22:25] <joako> I used update-rc.d -f  pulseaudio remove. Is that correct to disable the service?
[22:25] <usr13> I suppose you could remove the executable bit from /etc/init.d/pulseaudio
[22:26] <shiloh> jrtappers: no thinking of installing again, had been using another distro since unity was infriendly for me to use
[22:26] <ztgu> ubuntu phone (Y)
[22:27] <shiloh> jrtappers: and its 12.10 that i am dl-ing
[22:27] <Kuhrect> hello
[22:27] <jrtappers> shiloh, follow these instructions http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html
[22:27] <dark> hello
[22:27] <Kuhrect> can any one help me getting skype installed?
[22:27] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, sure
[22:28] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, what Ubuntu version?
[22:28] <usr13> Kuhrect: go to skype.com, download, install.
[22:28] <ztgu> anyone with experience in powertop and lsmod?
[22:28] <shiloh> jrtappers: thank you for the assistance, much appreciated
[22:28] <Kuhrect> I downloaded precise_<IP_ADDRESS>-1-i386 and opened with Ubuntu Software Center.Click install and get error wrong architecture 'i386'
[22:28] <jrtappers> shiloh, glad to help
[22:28] <joako> Once I reboot I still have pulseaudo process running, so should I do this? chmod 000 /usr/bin/pulseaudio
[22:29] <ztgu> Audio codec hwC0C0 is draining power from my laptop
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> usr13  i installed it from software center, after i deleted the conflicting install from the website
[22:29] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[22:29] <zwirc> Hi!
[22:29] <Kuhrect> 12.10
[22:30] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, Run these commands
[22:30] <jrtappers> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner"
[22:30] <zwirc> Im ordering a dedicated server, whats best   http://www.webtropia.com/de/root-server/professional-root-server-details.html?pid=ProfessionalM vsthan http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s
[22:30] <jrtappers> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[22:30] <usr13> Kuhrect: Is your system 32bit  or  64bit?
[22:30] <Kuhrect> 64
[22:30] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, I got that from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[22:31] <vinceakavince> im here on a friends pc. my computer that i want ubuntu on doesnt have a working browser. i downloaded the ubuntu 12.10 iso file, ran the universal usb installer.exe and formatted the usb and all that. restarted my computer, went to the boot options, selected the usb, and its saying "no configuration file found"
[22:31] <usr13> Kuhrect: Did you select the 64bit version?
[22:31] <Kuhrect> yeah
[22:31] <toordog> I
[22:31] <toordog> I'm having some issue with kerberos and I need to reinstall /usr/share/kerberos-config/*
[22:31] <toordog> any idea how to do that?
[22:33] <usr13> Kuhrect: I don't think there IS a 64bit version.  I think it just comes with 32bit libraries that enalbe it on your 64bit system.  Maybe you should try the package manager.  apt-cache search skype
[22:34] <Kuhrect> when i ran the command i got :  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:34] <Kuhrect>  skype : Depends: skype-bin but it is not installable
[22:34] <Kuhrect> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[22:34] <joako> What do I need to do to enable ALSA in ubuntu? I am getting the error: -A alsa,none
[22:34] <mkander> What is the best bare-metal backup strategy for an ubuntu server?
[22:34] <usr13> Kuhrect: sudo apt-get install -f
[22:34] <MonkeyDust> mkander  #ubuntu-server
[22:35] <mkander> thanks
[22:35] <WeThePeople> what does the alt button do?
[22:35] <RyuGuns> Hey, I need a bit of help.
[22:35] <joako>  alsa audio output error: cannot open ALSA device "default": No such file or directory
[22:35] <ztgu> how can I blacklist modules? An audio codec is draining my battery.
[22:35] <toordog> anyone know how to repopulate /usr/share/kerberos-config
[22:36] <Kuhrect> tappers you there?
[22:37] <VlanX> could anyone help me to enable 3D graphics with an old ATI card?
[22:37] <jrtappers> I am here
[22:37] <joako> And when I run ¨aplay -l¨ I get the error: aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[22:37] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, try apt-get install -f
[22:37] <jrtappers> It fixes some problems
[22:38] <WeThePeople> vlanx, do a lshw in terminal and paste.ubuntu.com
[22:38] <Kuhrect> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[22:38] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, sorry, sudo apt-get install -f
[22:38] <RyuGuns> I dualboot ubuntu 12.10 and Mac OS X 10.6 on a 2006 MacBook, whenever I log in on ubuntu, it freezes... so after time, when I log in, I switch to TTY4, login and run "sudo restart lightdm". It works, so I log in again and it just restarts...
[22:38] <usr13> Kuhrect: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f
[22:39] <jrtappers> usr13, is one of those meant to be upgrade, or update twice?
[22:40] <usr13> Kuhrect: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install -f
[22:40] <usr13> jrtappers: Tnx
[22:40] <Robbilie> just a quick question, when will the source for ubu for phones will be available?
[22:40] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, whats happening?
[22:40] <jrtappers> usr13, thats ok
[22:40] <Robbilie> i have the "superphone" or it from this website: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
[22:40] <zabomber> Robbilie: i read in a couple weeks... eagliy waiting too
[22:40] <Andril> hello all
[22:40] <Robbilie> zabomber, read the specs of the razr i and from the website :D
[22:41] <jrtappers> *, In XChat you can do a whosis by rightlicking names and selecting the first option
[22:41] <zabomber> Robbilie: do you have a link?
[22:41] <Robbilie> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
[22:41] <jrtappers> *Rightclicking
[22:41] <Robbilie> or do you mean the razr i?
[22:42] <Andril> i got to 2 GSM Galaxy Nexus & 1 HTC One X ready to go!
[22:42] <SailorMoon> whats the command to see what wireless device i have?
[22:42] <jrtappers> Robbilie, I thing that the Nexus might be first
[22:42] <zabomber> razr i...
[22:42] <zabomber> ;)
[22:42] <usr13> SailorMoon: lspci
[22:42] <Robbilie> http://www.motorola.de/consumers/MOTOROLA-RAZR-i/184583,de_DE,pd.html?selectedTab=tab-2&cgid=mobile-phones#tab
[22:42] <usr13> SailorMoon: or   lspci |grep ireless
[22:42] <InfiniteByte> Apropos ubuntu-phone: have i to buy a phone, that comes with ubuntu or can i install it on other smartphones?
[22:43] <Robbilie> jrtappers, i think so but the intel atom cpu is better for desktop support :D
[22:43] <SailorMoon> Anyone know anything about BCM4311?
[22:44] <Jordan_U> SailorMoon: Try asking your actual question.
[22:44] <Kuhrect> now what do i do
[22:44] <MonkeyDust> !bcm | SailorMoon start here
[22:44] <SailorMoon> Anyone know how to get the BCM4311 working from a fresh install?
[22:44] <Robbilie> will it be capable of running dalvik?
[22:44] <zabomber> holy wow!!! thats a beatiful piece of tech....
[22:44] <zabomber> thanks Robilies
[22:44] <jrtappers> Robbilie, If its powerful the vnc trick may be worth a go
[22:44] <Robbilie> jrtappers, which vnc?
[22:45] <jrtappers> Robbilie, you run ubuntu from a terminal app then vnc in
[22:45] <usr13> SailorMoon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[22:45] <usr13> SailorMoon: What does  iwconfig say?
[22:45] <Robbilie> i once ran it with chroot but upstart doesnt like chroot that much so i am using arch linux with chroot
[22:45] <az_> hello?
[22:46] <Kuhrect> usr13, i ran the commands now what?
[22:46] <root> hola
[22:46] <az_> tingly
[22:46] <root> hola mundo
[22:46] <jrtappers> Robbilie, Thats the way I was saying
[22:46] <usr13> Kuhrect: apt-cache search skype
[22:46] <Robbilie> jrtappers, yeah fullscreen vnc running minecraft was fun :D
[22:46] <usr13> Robbilie: What does upstart have to do with chroot?
[22:46] <Robbilie> you know upstart?
[22:46] <k1l_> !rootirc | Guest59587
[22:46] <Robbilie> it simply doesnt "upstart" xD
[22:47] <usr13> Robbilie: Ok, well, I guess I'll take your word for it, but I didn't think it would matter.
[22:48] <Robbilie> there are a lot of services need to be running to make anything work xD
[22:48] <Robbilie> arch linux is much easier with this ;)
[22:48] <Robbilie> i got sound to work!
[22:48] <Robbilie> no way with ubu xD
[22:48] <usr13> Robbilie:  What your saying doesn't make any sense.  Either you are using a wrong term or two or I'm just lost here.
[22:48] <Cong> position_constrain_workarea won't disable. help!
[22:49] <Robbilie> upstart <- service starting in ubuntu
[22:49] <Cong> tried almost everything
[22:49] <Robbilie> it manages the services right?
[22:49] <Robbilie> t
[22:49] <usr13> Robbilie: Right.
[22:49] <x0auser> Hi guys , whi i can't change icon's theme ! when i apply changement from ubuntu tweak all icons become grey !
[22:49] <usr13> Robbilie: And your point?
[22:49] <Kuhrect> urs13, i ran that command now what ?
[22:49] <x0auser> why*
[22:49] <az_> anyone here get the the new steam working?
[22:49] <Robbilie> and when i ran ubu wit chroot, upstart doesnt upstart
[22:49] <usr13> Kuhrect: What did it reply with?
[22:50] <Robbilie> got it? :D
[22:50] <Kuhrect> a list of things
[22:50] <usr13> Kuhrect: What was the output?
[22:50] <Cong> Hey, somebody try this. drag a window down and click away from the window. drag it up again and click away from the window again.
[22:50] <abcharold> Please could I be told a roundup of new features in ubuntu 12.10, I have the 12.04.1 LTS at the mo
[22:50] <usr13> Kuhrect: apt-cache search skype | pastebinit    #Show us resulting URL
[22:50] <jagginess> az_, yeah.. it works..
[22:51] <usr13> abcharold: You are in a good place, IMHO.
[22:51] <usr13> !lts | abcharold
[22:51] <Kuhrect> http://pastebin.com/7su2wG7N
[22:51] <jrtappers> Robbilie,  must have been laggy :D But COOL
[22:52] <Robbilie> mineraft made my phone run out of ram xD
[22:52] <x0auser> want to use default icon's theme of raring ringtail but icons become grey !  Why ?
[22:53] <riddlebox> I had my laptop on a charger all day, I take it off the charger and boot it up to ubuntu 12.10..and the power meter shows about half, and 3 hours and 55 min of battery life?
[22:53] <jrtappers> Should we change the update center icon?
[22:54] <vinceakavince> nevermind guys i figured it out :)
[22:55] <SailorMoon> "fatal: module ssb is in use"?
[22:56] <Sling> told ya, ubuntuphone :)
[22:56] <SailorMoon> I cant get it to work :(
[22:56] <jrtappers> We need an ubuntuphone channel
[22:56] <SailorMoon> There's an Ubuntu ARM channel, jrtappers
[22:57] <Jordan_U> jrtappers: #ubuntu-discuss for now, and also #ubuntu-phone.
[22:57] <usr13> Kuhrect: sudo apt-get install skype
[22:57] <SailorMoon> please help me, im running some modprobe -r command and it keeps telling me "FATAL: Module ssb is in use"
[22:58] <jrtappers> SailorMoon, Jordan_U, thanks
[22:58] <JohnWHSmith> Hello'.
[22:58] <Jordan_U> jrtappers: You're welcome.
[22:58] <usr13> SailorMoon: lsmod   #Probably already there.
[22:59] <Kuhrect> usr13, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:59] <Kuhrect>  skype : Depends: skype-bin but it is not installable
[22:59] <Kuhrect>  teamviewer7 : Depends: ia32-libs but it is not going to be installed
[22:59] <Jordan_U> SailorMoon: The module can't be removed while hardware is using it.'
[22:59] <SailorMoon> So what do i do about it, Jordan_U
[22:59] <gotwig> I wanna start 32 bit firefox nightly, aurora I guess: I get all the time libxul.so is missing, which package do I need?
[22:59] <gotwig> I run ubuntu 12.10 64bit
[22:59] <SailorMoon> nvm, i figured out my issue i think, Jordan_U
[23:00] <jrtappers> Kuhrect, is that my commands for install?
[23:00] <DominikST95> hey...Has anyone experience with ATI HD 4xxx drivers on Ubuntu 12.04? Want to update mine, but nothing is working...
[23:00] <Kuhrect> that is what i got when i "sudo apt-get install skype"
[23:01] <jrtappers> I have had driver disasters recently, blackscreens, terminal only all sorts
[23:01] <jrtappers> did you d the 1st command fisrt?
[23:01] <provenzano> wsup hackers :D
[23:02] <toordog> who's a hacker here?
[23:02] <Robbilie> haha :D
[23:02] <jrtappers> toordog, whats your definition?
[23:03] <jrtappers> toordog, If its breaking passwords on a locked computer because the user forgot the password then yes
[23:03] <gotwig> no idea how I can get libxul.so 32 bit for 64bit system??
[23:04] <Robbilie> jrtappers, omfg hes a hacker call the fbi!
[23:04] <andural> Hello
[23:04] <andural> I was wondering if anyone here can help me with a video issue
[23:04] <Robbilie> xD
[23:05] <jrtappers> Robbilie, hackers are who built the intenet, only blackhats are bad
[23:05] <Unguided> hello all. how do you add hard drives to ubuntu?
[23:05] <Robbilie> jrtappers, ok i further will use the #ironic tag ok? :D
[23:05] <gotwig> andural, ask
[23:06] <jrtappers> Robbilie, good thing I didn't say about arpspoof :D
[23:06] <Robbilie> jrtappers, dsploit is nice ;)
[23:06] <Miebster1> What do all of the columns of ls -l indicate, and why isn't it listed in the man page under ls -l
[23:06] <jrtappers> Robbilie, theres a fun tool to show people that Internetz is not securez
[23:06] <kvothetech> Unguided: partition format then mount it?
[23:06] <Robbilie> jrtappers, dsploit doesnt run on intel android :(
[23:06] <Robbilie> same for arpspoof
[23:07] <andural> I'm running 12.04 on a desktop with 2 nvidia cards.  After rebooting (ran some updates), it won't boot into graphical.  I'm form back in the xorg.conf and startx days, so I don't know where to start in fixing the issue
[23:07] <Abhish> Are there themes available for the Ubuntu website? I wanted to use it as the basis for another site.
[23:07] <Unguided> kvothetech: Newb. what tool do I use to do that with?
[23:07] <louiz920> is there anywhere to get the new mobile ubuntu source?
[23:07] <andural> I'm currently trying to remove nvidia-current and just using nvidia-common
[23:07] <jrtappers> Unguided, are these new drives
[23:08] <louiz920> not, 12.04 optimized for ARM, but the newer touch focused ubuntu
[23:08] <Abhish> louiz920, It is not yet available. SHould be just after the eighth.
[23:08] <jrtappers> Robbilie, have you seen hak5?
[23:08] <toordog> jrtappers it<s been done so well lately that USA try to pass law to control it all ;)
[23:08] <Unguided> kvothetech. Older blank drives.
[23:08] <louiz920> gotcha, guess i'll have to wait for CES :)
[23:08] <louiz920> thanks Abhish
[23:08] <Robbilie> jrtappers, isnt it the webshow?
[23:08] <jrtappers> toordog, remind me what we are talking about plz
[23:09] <jrtappers> Robbilie, yes
[23:09] <gotwig> just installed firefox:i386, fixed libxul.so error
[23:09] <kvothetech> Unguided: same process...
[23:09] <Robbilie> jrtappers, nope just watched it for a few secs and i was bored :D
[23:09] <jrtappers> Robbilie, a youtube podcast on computer security :D
[23:09] <kvothetech> unless it's a tape drive or something.
[23:09] <kvothetech> then you should just have to mount it
[23:09] <Robbilie> jrtappers, i have a friend with a bad history (da police took it all :( ) and hes my security expert ;)
[23:10] <jrtappers> Robbilie, If you use ssh use public key
[23:10] <Unguided> kvothetech: Ok. Thanks
[23:10] <SailorMoon> Kay guys noob time, lets say i used "sudo modprobe -r brcmsmac bcma" to unload something-or-other, and i want to blacklist it, what would i do?
[23:10] <andural> gotwig I'm running 12.04 on a desktop with 2 nvidia cards.  After rebooting (ran some updates), it won't boot into graphical.  I'm form back in the xorg.conf and startx days, so I don't know where to start in fixing the issue
[23:10] <Robbilie> jrtappers, i do ;)
[23:11] <jrtappers> I use public key and google authenticator for when I don't have my cert
[23:11] <Robbilie> jrtappers, you have to tell me more bout g auth
[23:11] <SailorMoon> Kay guys noob time, lets say i used "sudo modprobe -r brcmsmac bcma" to unload something-or-other, and i want to blacklist it, what would i do?
[23:11] <Abhish> SailorMoon, look for a file with blacklist in the name under /etc/modprobe
[23:11] <ESphynx> hey guys... all my panels disappeared... and ctrl-alt-f2 stupidly does not update the screen :S
[23:11] <gotwig> andural, have you just tried to run nvidia-xconfig?
[23:12] <SailorMoon> But whats the driver name, "brcmsmac" or "bcma" or "brcmsmac bcma"?
[23:12] <SailorMoon> Im not sure what to add
[23:12] <andural> gotwig not yet, let me run this and see what it does
[23:12] <Abhish> SailorMoon, WHy are you trying to blacklist that module?
[23:12] <gotwig> andural, where are you from?
[23:12] <Scunizi> What's in the repos that I can use to edit .bdm video files taken with a HD camcorder?
[23:12] <cnuulhu> I'm updating directly from a very old version of Ubuntu to to 12.04 (LTS). How should I go about backing up and restoring files for all users?
[23:12] <cnuulhu> And can I back up anything more than files?
[23:12] <SailorMoon> Because its conflicting and its making my wifi not work, Abhish
[23:12] <jrtappers> Robbilie, two factor authentication so even if the password for my accounts is sniffed im still secure
[23:12] <Abhish> What is your wifi car?
[23:12] <SailorMoon> "brcmsmac" or "wl" is making my wireless not work
[23:13] <Abhish> SailorMoon,
[23:13] <SailorMoon> BCM4311
[23:13] <andural> gotwig currently in California
[23:13] <Abhish> Hmm.
[23:13] <SailorMoon> i have it working now but only because i used modprobe -r
[23:13] <SailorMoon> i want it to work on boot
[23:13] <gotwig> andural, alright ;) I am from German
[23:13] <gotwig> y
[23:13] <Robbilie> jrtappers, hear alot bout that will enable that now because my password is too insecure
[23:13] <Abhish> SailorMoon, run sudo lsmod | grep b43
[23:13] <andural> gotwig : originally dutch :)
[23:14] <Abhish> SailorMoon, The reason I'm asking these questions is that I'm rather intimate with issues pertaining to broadcom chipsets.
[23:15] <SailorMoon> i have it rebooting, just to see.
[23:15] <jrtappers> Robbilie, Public wifi is insecure, so twofactor is needed, passwords c an be sniffed
[23:15] <andural> gotwig I manage to get to a different graphical login, which lets me type username/password and then does nothing
[23:15] <SailorMoon> Yeah, it isnt working, Abhish
[23:15] <Freeder> whats the best way to figure out what is causing a high system load? top doesn't show the culprit, its all at 0%
[23:16] <vinceakavince> im installing ubuntu 12.10 desktop on my computer alongside my windows xp (this is a friends computer im chatting on). its asking me to partition drive space. is that just asking how much of my hard drive do i want to use for windows and how much for ubuntu? or what? also is that something i can change in the future?
[23:16] <jrtappers> Freeder, sudo top
[23:16] <jrtappers> vinceakavince, why not wubi?
[23:16] <Freeder> I'm already running it as root
[23:17] <DominikST95> vinceakavince, partitions can be changed later, but it may be that some data gets lost
[23:17] <jrtappers> vinceakavince, OH yh, XP = no wubi, sorry
[23:17] <DominikST95> (if you do it wrong)
[23:17] <gotwig> andural, can you get to the ubuntu lightdm?
[23:17] <Robbilie> jrtappers, enabled :)
[23:17] <toordog>  jrtappers what about 7 then :)
[23:17] <Robbilie> jrtappers, now going to add a new pw additionally
[23:18] <andural> gotwig no.  doing a 'service start lightdm' gets me to this odd graphical login
[23:18] <SailorMoon> Abhish: simply typing "sudo modprobe b43" makes my wireless card work. what should i do to make it load at boot?
[23:19] <vinceakavince> hmm, how might i do it wrong? lol now youve got me worried. is there anything i should watch out for, or what would cause loss of data?
[23:19] <gotwig> andural, so the normal lightdm...?
[23:19] <gotwig> andural, the phrase before you are loged in
[23:20] <toordog> vinceakavince: just that resizing a partition is never 100% safe
[23:20] <VlanX> WeThePeople:  http://pastebin.com/KSYJ8Ncw
[23:20] <jrtappers> toordog, Please can you remind me, my chat history is a bit broken
[23:20] <andural> gotwig, I don't know, I haven't seen this one before.  The usual lightdm login looks different than what I get now.
[23:20] <toordog> jrtappers: I keep losing you :P
[23:20] <jrtappers> Oh, security tip, Use XARP
[23:20] <Abhish> b43... how is the performance? I usually have to blacklist that driver.
[23:20] <andural> gotwig I get this one http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pzVKVDOIYcQ/TNuIGKArGbI/AAAAAAAAFF4/eXHZ5RCL8Lc/s1600/LightDM+Industrial.png
[23:20] <vinceakavince> toordog: oh ok well thanks for the heads up
[23:20] <Abhish> All you should need to do is blacklist brcmsmac and wl.
[23:20] <DominikST95> if you for example try to make a full partition smaller, some data will be erased
[23:20] <Abhish> SailorMoon, ^
[23:21] <andural> gotwig but logging in does nothing, it just puts me back at that screen
[23:21] <Kuhrect> can any one help me install skype on ubuntu??
[23:21] <gotwig> andural, are you serious^^?
[23:21] <WeThePeople> vlanx, what dist?
[23:21] <jrtappers> toordog, I am back in the conversation flow
[23:22] <gotwig> andural, I think I know about your problem
[23:22] <VlanX> WeThePeople: 12.10
[23:22] <Abhish> SailorMoon, udev handles driver loading. Blacklist the offending drivers and it should act fine.
[23:22] <Abhish> Kuhrect, is it available in the app store?
[23:22] <toordog> jrtappers: i was just saying earlier that hacker shown so well that internet is not secure that now USA want to pass law to control the internet ;)
[23:22] <andural> gotwig that would be nice :)
[23:22] <gotwig> andural, you would have to remove some hiden .Xauthority files I guesss
[23:22] <gotwig> they are somehow corrupted
[23:22] <gotwig> or invalid
[23:22] <Abhish> If not, download it and install it. The package manager will make sure it works.
[23:22] <andural> gotwig interesting.  where are those normally located?  and, any idea how that happened?
[23:22] <gotwig> in your home directory
[23:23] <jrtappers> Its insecure, but only humans make mistakes
[23:23] <andural> gotwig hmm okay.
[23:23] <gotwig> andural, before that create a new user on terminal
[23:23] <az_> hello, i am trying to install a downloaded driver for radeon 2400. I can't seem to figure out to do so. Any help?
[23:23] <gotwig> andural, to test, if it has to do with that... I dont have much time, 00:23 AM here =)
[23:23] <jrtappers> toordog, SSL can be beaten, passwords can be sniffed so there are still security mountains to climb, but a MITM is always a problem
[23:24] <gotwig> andural, do you know how?
[23:24] <andural> gotwig yes
[23:24] <andural> gotwig I used to be able to fix this until they switched away from the old xorg system
[23:24] <plut0> ubuntu is booting up in the recovery menu every reboot, filesystem state = read-only, any idea how to fix this?
[23:24] <SailorMoon> Abhish: how do i blacklist them? D:
[23:24] <gotwig> plut0, yeah
[23:25] <gotwig> plut0, so, do you want to become write rights first?
[23:25] <impiza> hi any programmer
[23:25] <jrtappers> toordog, But the internet is hard to police, and thats part of its brilliance and part of the problem
[23:25] <impiza> i want a little help
[23:25] <impiza> plz pm me
[23:25] <plut0> gotwig: / is read-write, its a bogus message
[23:25] <gotwig> impiza, whats up...
[23:25] <ESphynx> guys... all my panels are gone :| help please? I tried to reinstall gnome-panel it doesn't help :S
[23:26] <impiza> off topic gotwig
[23:26] <gotwig> plut0, so do you want to know how to mount it writeable?
[23:26] <impiza> plz pm me
[23:26] <andural> gotwig that worked, thank you :)
[23:26] <plut0> gotwig: it is writable...
[23:26] <gotwig> impiza, spammer -..-
[23:26] <VlanX> WeThePeople: do you think it would be possible to enable graphic acceleration?
[23:26] <ESphynx> also now ctrl-alt-f1/f2 is completely messed up while X is running... the console only comes back after I ctrl-C my 'startx'
[23:26] <Muphrid> SailorMoon: add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:26] <impiza> o_O
[23:26] <gotwig> andural, with your normal user?
[23:26] <jrtappers> What languages can Ubuntu software center apps be made in?
[23:26] <gotwig> andural, I am happy as well :-)
[23:27] <schultza> how do i add a folder to the the nautilus sidebar?
[23:27] <gotwig> plut0, so you want to start  without recovery?
[23:27] <plut0> gotwig: yes
[23:27] <Appiano> hi guys i run ubuntu 12 i installed foxit reader but it comes out in chinese, could somebody help me? i need to use it for my thesis tomorrow morning, please! how do i change the language of the software, i looked it up online and found nothing, thanks
[23:28] <gotwig> plut0, does it start in normal mode when you select it?
[23:28] <plut0> gotwig: yeah it boots fine, just comes up with the recovery console every reboot
[23:28] <schultza> ah, nevermind
[23:28] <az_> ok, so there are no drivers technically, weird...
[23:28] <jrtappers> schultza,  do you mean bookmarks
[23:28] <gotwig> plut0, try to get grub to generate all your entries new
[23:28] <plut0> gotwig: update-grub, did that already
[23:29] <deltab> Appiano: specifically foxit, or would another pdf reader do?
[23:29] <Jordan_U> Appiano: There are many other PDF readers available. Do you need to use Foxit?
[23:29] <gotwig> plut0, have you written the changes on the disk?
[23:29] <plut0> gotwig: yes
[23:29] <deltab> Appiano: you probably have evince installed already
[23:30] <gotwig> plut0, first grub-mkconfig than grub-update, than grub-setup diskname or grub-install diskname
[23:30] <Jordan_U> plut0: What is the output of "cat /proc/cmdline" when it boots this way?
[23:30] <kysstfafm> is he a GOG gamer?
[23:30] <gotwig> I always forget if its grub-setup or install... try both
[23:30] <Appiano> I found out that the search function works a lot quicker with Foxit. do you suggest any alternative?
[23:30] <DominikST95> how can i update my ATI HD 4870 driver? No tutorial on the internet worked -.-
[23:30] <gotwig> plut0, grub-install diskname that is
[23:31] <gotwig> plut0, have you run grub-mkconfig before?
[23:31] <provenzano> hey guys did some1 used DSL on usb?
[23:31] <k1l_> DominikST95: why you want to update?
[23:32] <plut0> gotwig: tried those commands, no luck
[23:32] <Jordan_U> gotwig: grub-update isn't a command, update-grub is a wrapper around grub-mkconfig, grub-setup is a utility that shouldn't be run manually, grub-install is OK to run manually but doesn't need to be to update the grub.cfg. Most importantly though you should never suggest that people run commands without knowing what they actually do, especially for something as important as the bootloader.
[23:32] <k1l_> provenzano: dsl like in damnsmalllinux?
[23:32] <provenzano> yes
[23:32] <gotwig> Jordan_U, oh well
[23:32] <DominikST95> try to take part in the Steam beta
[23:32] <k1l_> provenzano: better try the dsl support for that
[23:32] <plut0> Jordan_U: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.2.0-35-generic root=UUID=89b81a52-71fd-414c-ad3b-59192bf9cd06 ro recovery nomodeset
[23:32] <gotwig> Jordan_U, I know what happens in all cases, sir
[23:32] <SailorMoon> how do i go about using gedit with admin/root privs?
[23:33] <Jordan_U> gotwig: Clearly not, or you wouldn't have given the recommendation that you did.
[23:33] <DominikST95> and the driver i have doesn't support a specific OpenGL function...
[23:33] <deltab> Appiano: firefox and chrome both have built-in pdf support now; I don't know how fast the searching is
[23:33] <gotwig> plut0, where are you from?
[23:33] <SailorMoon> nvm figured it out
[23:33] <k1l_> SailorMoon: you can use gksudo
[23:33] <gotwig> Jordan_U, bye
[23:34] <gotwig> duno why I am even here :/
[23:34] <Jordan_U> plut0: For some reason "recovery" is in the linux cmdline. Can you pastebin your /etc/default/grub?
[23:34] <plut0> Jordan_U: i fixed it
[23:34] <SailorMoon> "this file is autogenerated by bcmwl. all changes to this file will be lost"? Its blacklisting my driver
[23:34] <ESphynx> it's thinking I have 2 screens or something :S
[23:35] <az_> what would you guys say is the best source for a new linux/ubuntu user information?
[23:35] <Jordan_U> !manual | az_
[23:35] <Sling> az_: what kind of information do you mean?
[23:36] <SailorMoon> Abhish "this file is autogenerated by bcmwl. all changes to this file will be lost"? Its blacklisting my driver
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Appiano: evince is the default PDF reader in Ubuntu, and works quite well.
[23:37] <jrtappers> Whats the best ubuntu manual I can suggest to help someone
[23:38] <dr_willis> the  Ubuntu manual site should be stop #1.
[23:38] <dr_willis> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:39] <machicola> shouldn't ALT+F9 minimize window in Ubuntu 12.10 , gnome fallback
[23:40] <machicola> been having all these issues with keyboard combinations
[23:40] <jrtappers> thanks dr_willis
[23:41] <deltab> machicola: they've add some new ones which have replaced the old ones
[23:42] <deltab> machicola: check the keyboard shortcuts settings
[23:43] <machicola> ok
[23:44] <jrtappers> ok
[23:45] <machicola> weird , it was set to CTRL+ALT+0
[23:45] <deltab> machicola: I don't see why they can't keep both, but whatever
[23:46] <deltab> ah, yes, ctrl+alt+numpad-digit moves the window to the corresponding part fo the screen, or toggles maximize
[23:47] <yacc> Just wondered, (and despite the sound of it, I'm not trolling), but Ubuntu seems to be the master of mobile vapor-ware, I mean, Ubuntu/Android => no downloads for existing hardware, no custom hardware for it, and now basically the same with "Ubuntu for Smartphones"? *sign*
[23:47] <yacc> *sigh*
[23:47] <machicola> yea, tbh, it seems kinda cool a lot of it.... just gotta check it out i guess
[23:52] <xui34> does anyone know of a storage device which will show up on a network as a printer and then store print jobs sent to it (rather than printing them)
[23:52] <dr_willis> xui34:  cant say ive ever seen that done.  You could use the various 'print to file'  or the pdf-printer printerdriver thing.
[23:53] <hanasaki> how do you get a virtual kvm machine to network so it can get an dhcp address from the network instead of being NAT through kvm?
[23:53] <dr_willis> if my printer is offline the server just queus them up. :)
[23:53] <hanasaki> it used to work.. then I upgraded to the most current ubuntu
[23:53] <xui34> dr_willis: yea- I was thinking of doing that... wouldn't be as convenient
[23:53] <Guest30104> any answer for this question ?: I'm am trying to find my way around the compatibility problems Linux O/S have with Adobe Creative suite Programs. Can Ubuntu read Apple drivers? I have an apple based version of Adobe Creative Suite and was wondering if it would be possible to install these programs on Ubuntu.
[23:54] <Jordan_U> Guest30104: No, Ubuntu cannot run applications written for OSX.
[23:55] <dr_willis> xui34:  its not real clear on whyyou are doing this. perhaps pthers may hae ideas if you give more details
[23:56] <dr_willis> Guest30104:  you dont run apple software on linux. SOME windows apps can work with wine.
[23:56] <MMavipc> Getting into the phone business, eh?
[23:56] <dr_willis> Guest30104:  i dont thinkthe term 'drivers' is correct in what you said. ;)
[23:56] <Guest30104> dr_willis just copied an old question
[23:56] <dr_willis> Guest30104:  You dont run Apple Apps on Linux.
[23:57] <dr_willis> 'reading drivers'  vague. and most likely a NO also. ;)
[23:57] <dr_willis> Not all Adobe apps work in Wine either.
[23:57]  * dr_willis covers all the bases
[23:57] <Guest30104> I was wondering as I like Ubuntu one platform for all devices if I could have found a way to work on linux based OS
[23:58] <xui34> dr_willis: i run a tech shop and order lots of parts... right now i just send the receipts right to a laser printer. there are other ways to do this (samba, etc) and a network area storage device. however i'd prefer to just go to file print -> and select the printer rather than have to browse for the location of the network area storage device.
[23:58] <dr_willis> work time for me... bbl
[23:58] <jrib> xui34: you could print to file and then probably set the default location for those files to some network device
[23:58] <zoie> hello, how can i record the sound that's coming out of my computer?
[23:59] <jrib> xui34: I imagine you can do what you proposed originally too though I have no experience with that
[23:59] <xui34> jrib: i could; was hoping to find a device though that acted as a fake printer which was easy to add like a typical hp printer is. i'm frequently running from CD/and or various computers.