[03:55] <mmikowski> RikMills: added ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-extra, then ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. So worked great.
[08:15] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] (20231008) has been added
 Testing the Kubuntu MM image, the rsync option found here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/449/builds/288177/downloads fails to download but reports:
 This is an Ubuntu mirror - treat it kindly
 receiving file list ... 1 file to consider
 -rw-rw-r--          3.67G 2023/10/08 02:13:46 mantic-desktop-amd64.iso
 The zsync option works fine.
[15:34] <clivejo> @DarinMiller you need to give rsync a destination
[15:35] <clivejo> even just a . to download to current dir
[15:47] <clivejo> From the man page - Usages with just one SRC arg and no DEST arg will list the source files instead of copying.
 Thanks clivejo.. totally forgot about the destination.
[16:37] <clivejo> probably should get someone to fix that command on the page


[05:11] <magespawn> good morning
[05:51] <inetpro> guten morgen
[06:15] <aak> morning :)
[08:00] <Kilos> morning all. at hospital for scans, so will be in and out
[08:00] <Kilos> you all be good
[08:07] <magespawn> good luck Kilos
[08:12] <nsnzero> morning guy
[08:12] <nsnzero> morning all
[11:21] <nsnzero> have  a good afternoon all
[14:51] <Kilos> sigh, scans done but isotope used too weak, so now must come again once they can get s stronger one
[14:51] <Kilos> why stuff that works on others dont work on me
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: because you're a tough cookie
[15:03] <Kilos> hahahaha superfly i dont feel so tough atm and ian still working in jhb so could be hours before we go home
[15:03] <Kilos> hows the family?
[15:04] <Kilos> hi chesedo magespawn inetpro paddatrapper MaNI smile theblazehen and other lurkers
[15:05] <Kilos> hi aak
[15:07] <aak> hi Kilos
[15:08] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[15:08]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:08] <Kilos> Maaz coffee for all
[15:08] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[15:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:14] <Kilos> Maaz thanks man
[15:14] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[15:41] <Kilos> Maaz they are all asleep
[15:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I already know stuff about they
[15:41] <Kilos> Maaz they
[15:41] <Maaz> Kilos: they are already washed
[15:41] <Kilos> haha
[15:41] <Kilos> Maaz they are
[15:41] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[15:41] <Kilos> ai!
[15:44] <paddatrapper> Hi Kilos
[15:56] <Kilos> wbb
[15:57] <superfly> Kilos: theyr'e doing fine
[16:45] <nsnzero> evening all
[16:56] <squish102> is maaz one of these new wave of AI bots, or just oldschool IRC bots?
[17:18] <pavlushka> evening nsnzero
[17:20] <nsnzero> h pavlushka - how are you tonight ?
[17:20] <nsnzero> let h = hi
[17:22] <pavlushka> nsnzero: my network is behaving weird, took time for me to know who is the culprit behind my misbehaving apps
[17:23] <pavlushka> nsnzero: http was working well but other protocols were suffering
[17:23] <nsnzero> network gremlins are troublesome pavlushka
[17:24] <nsnzero> not isp related if http is working fine ?
[17:26] <pavlushka> nsnzero: specially my irc protocol was not responding, so may be ISP specific, may be they have blocked some ports.
[17:26] <inetpro> Maaz: forget about they
[17:26] <Maaz> inetpro: I didn't know about about they anyway
[17:27] <inetpro> good evening
[17:27] <pavlushka> Good Evening inetpro :)
[17:30] <nsnzero> pavlushka: use a external website to check open ports - like canyouseeme
[17:30] <nsnzero> hi inetpro
[17:32] <magespawn> chat late all
[17:32] <magespawn> later too
[17:40] <pavlushka> nsnzero: 3 ports open, 80, 2000, 8291 :)
[17:41] <nsnzero> 80 is http
[17:42] <pavlushka> yeah
[17:46] <nsnzero> lsof -i  will tell you the others
[17:52] <nsnzero> hi aak
[17:52] <nsnzero> and Sxuza
[17:52] <aak_> hi :)
[18:27] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[18:29] <Kilos> hi , home at last and tired so wont be here long
[18:29] <Kilos> gone since 4.30 this morning
[18:29] <nsnzero> hospital ?
[18:29] <Kilos> yip for scans
[18:30] <nsnzero> hope they gave you some good news
[18:30] <Kilos> 2 hours travelling each way without traffic
[18:30] <Kilos> no weird man
[18:30] <Kilos> i posted earlier and the fly answered
[18:31] <nsnzero> that far - sorry
[18:31] <Kilos> about 5 pm
[18:31] <nsnzero> i will check the logs
[18:31] <Kilos> ill get it
[18:32] <Kilos> sigh, scans done but isotope used too weak, so now must come again once they can get s stronger one
[18:32] <Kilos> [Friday, 24 March 2017] [4:51:29 PM SAST] <Kilos> why stuff that works on others dont work on me
[18:32] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <Kilos> i must be kinda nuked now  because when they inject the radioactive isotopes you not allowed near anyone
[18:33] <Kilos> and next one even stronger
[18:33] <nsnzero> its a radioactive isotope used for tracing - do you glow when the lights are off ?
[18:34] <Kilos> lol havent looked
[18:36] <nsnzero> lets just hope they have they right stuff when you go there again
[18:37]  * nsnzero sometimes wonders if he will type better using his toes
[18:39] <Kilos> actually quite funny, they do this all day everyday but the doc thats makes out the report says im a mystery to him so now they gotts try find and order a stronger one
[18:39] <Kilos> toes bit short imo
[18:40] <nsnzero> say Kilos did you have lead water pipes in your house when you where younger ?
[18:47] <nsnzero> wb Kilos-
[18:50] <Kilos-> ai! networking and routers sucks
[19:02] <nsnzero> i am on a flaky network connection myself
[19:29] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight


[03:53] <philipballew> ubuntu San Diego meetup going awesome now
[03:54] <philipballew> taking a few pics soon
[03:54] <philipballew> This is our second to last meetup before we move to our new location
[18:41] <philipballew> pleia2, pm?
[18:44] <pleia2> philipballew: go for it


[12:09] <zequence> Sorry for being so damn slow with the SRU process for jackd2. It's undeway, and I've got the patched jackd2 packages available for all releases at ppa:zequence/sru
[12:10] <zequence> There's also a qjackctl package there, for quantal, so if one would like to help me test, there's no need to upgrade the qjackctl package
[12:11] <zequence> Preferred way is probably to add the ppa, update, and then do: sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade jackd2
[12:15] <astraljava> zequence: One second, I'll see if I can connect to my desktop.
[12:16] <astraljava> Yes, I can. I'll test in a bit.
[12:19] <zequence> astraljava: Thanks. I was able to test the i386 version for quantal
[12:19] <zequence> amd64 is still pending in the build que
[12:19] <zequence> cue*
[12:23] <zequence> bug
[12:23] <zequence> bug 956438
[12:24] <zequence> That's the bug for the sru. Seems to be under way now
[12:26] <astraljava> Cool, my rig is an amd64, so I'll test in a bit when the build is finished.
[12:42] <zequence> I reported the bug almost one year ago. Made the patch fix more than two months ago. It's pathetic, is what it is
[12:42] <zequence> ..not my code, of course
[12:43] <astraljava> Ahh... well, you're acting on it, that's much better than can be said about anyone else. :)
[12:52] <astraljava> zequence: Output of the operation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1608569/
[12:55] <astraljava> zequence: I also started gmb after that, and checked that it still scrobbles to last.fm, so at least pulse didn't feel too bad about it (shouldn't have, anyway, but thought to double-check anyway). :)
[12:56] <zequence> astraljava: The change to the code is very slim, so it should be ok. Hopefully stopping jackdbus should not be a problem anymore
[12:57] <zequence> Previously I tested the patch against the actual packages of quantal and precise. This time I used my own branch, which is a patched version of the same source as quantal has
[12:57] <zequence> precise is more or less the same as well
[12:57] <zequence> raring previously had the same version of quantal
[12:58] <contrapunctus> zequence?
[12:59] <contrapunctus> Odd, I sent you a private message, but it says 'you must log in with services to message this user'.
[12:59] <contrapunctus> Anyway, man, got a sec?
[13:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: You need a registered freenode account to PM me. I ran into some moron recently, so I felt this was an easy way to mute him
[13:01] <contrapunctus> o.o
[13:01] <zequence> contrapunctus: Whatäs up?
[13:01] <zequence> That's Swedish for what's up, apparently
[13:01] <contrapunctus> lol!
[13:02] <contrapunctus> Well...there's this PD synth patch I've been trying to get to work. Can you check it out for me? o.o
[13:02] <zequence> contrapunctus: Are you on #dataflow, let's move the discussion there
[13:03] <contrapunctus> Yup.
[13:12] <astraljava> zequence: Gotcha. Ok, thanks for doing the dirty work, I'm sure many users (as well as the rest of us) appreciate your efforts!
[13:50] <zequence> scott-work: What's up?
[13:51] <zequence> scott-work: I added a blueprint for the website. Seemed logical to have one
[13:51] <zequence> There are some workitems that go there, presently under other blueprints
[13:51] <zequence> ..I think
[13:52] <zequence> Wasn't particularly looking at that, but realized that one of the big things to have is really info about device support
[13:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: Hi
[13:54] <zequence> smartboyhw: Hope you don't mind I overtook your workitem.
[13:54] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Testing
[13:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, hello
[13:54] <smartboyhw> don't worry:)
[13:54] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ping
[13:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'd still like it if you worked on whatever you want within the testing part. As, ISO testing, or desktop testing. Those are both two things that I have not been focusing on at all myself
[13:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah:D
[13:55] <zequence> I'm not touching the docs for ISO testing, for instance.
[13:56] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Hi, apologies for not having written any testimonials. I feel that as I've distanced myself from the project, and not having witnessed your actual work, I cannot write anything from that area. Hope you got enough from people who are actually present in the project. :)
[13:56] <smartboyhw> astraljava, well I've got 8 testimonials in my wiki. Should be enough!
[13:56] <astraljava> Oh wow, yeah that sounds plenty! :)
[13:58] <zequence> The existing page on ISO testing is done by scott-work, but it's more of a sketch as I see it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TestingQA-ISOImages. Could be simplified into the actual tasks that need to be done
[13:58]  * smartboyhw goes to work on ktorrent
[13:58] <smartboyhw> DId I tell  you guys I am now a Kubuntu packager?
[13:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: Sounds like you are doing many things
[13:59] <scott-work>  zequence cool. that's a good idea. i'll take a look at it.
[14:00] <scott-work> hello smartboyhw : pong
[14:00] <smartboyhw> zequence, I'm starting to get used to it now (don't worry, I'm still keeping track of testing here:P)
[14:00] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you received that email about the 12.04.2 release notes?
[14:01] <scott-work> smartboyhw: hmmm, not sure. don't seem to recall it but i haven't really checked email with focus during the weekend.
[14:01] <scott-work> ah yes, i see it now.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I just received it
[14:02] <scott-work> smartboyhw: is there anything in particular you are worried about not being included?
[14:02] <scott-work> i'll have to clear my head space and think about it later before changing anything or replying
[14:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, the problem is: We didn't do much for Precise did we?:P
[14:03] <scott-work> i don't _think_ we did, but perhaps zequence, len-nb , or astraljava might remember something
[14:03] <zequence> The only thing I'm working on for Precise is the sru for jackd2
[14:03] <zequence> Which is still pending
[14:04] <zequence> We don't need to do much for precise though. The news are more about security updates, etc
[14:04] <zequence> And that's really mostly Ubuntu specific, or even Xubuntu specific
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, that SRU is still pending? Hmm...
[14:06] <astraljava> scott-work: Without context, hard to say. :) I'll have to refresh my memory about it for sure, too.
[14:07] <scott-work> hehe, me too astraljava , me too ;)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:07] <scott-work> zequence: we've updated the lowlatency kernel, no?  that would be a nice one to add
[14:08]  * smartboyhw strangely has no new lowlatency kernel for raring...
[14:08] <smartboyhw> My space key is difficult to press on today
[14:10] <zequence> zequence: That is true. We're nowadays updating the source for the kernel ourselves. And, linux-lowlatency is no longer behind in versions as was the problem eearlier for Precise
[14:11] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, who are you talking to?:P
[14:11] <zequence> The raring lowlatency is only updated as needed before release
[14:11] <zequence> scott-work: ^
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, !?
[14:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: Myself apparently
[14:12] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:12] <smartboyhw> really?
[14:13] <scott-work> lol, that was kinda funny
[14:18] <scott-work> talking to infinity about the publishing/photography meta upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10
 scott-work: If so, you probably want to quirk the release-upgrader to add them on upgrades.
 scott-work: It might be as simple as adding those packages to PostUpgradeInstall in the [ubuntustudio-desktop] section of data/DistUpgrade.cfg
[14:31] <smartboyhw> scott-work, what did I miss?
[14:31] <zequence> scott-work: Looks promising
[14:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: There's a plan to SRU the new workflows so they become available also in Precise
[14:34] <scott-work> smartboyhw: <infinity> scott-work: It might be as simple as adding those packages to PostUpgradeInstall in the [ubuntustudio-desktop] section of data/DistUpgrade.cfg
[14:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, scott-work great news
[14:34] <scott-work> inifinity is saying that this will cause an "upgrade" (or installation) of these packages during each release upgrade though, which is probably an okay situation
[14:34] <scott-work> but he did say we would definitely need to test this
[14:36] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I will as soon as it is ready
[14:37] <smartboyhw> scott-work, remember to send out weekly reports:)
[14:39] <zequence> scott-work: I think this is ok. Might be nice to add a (y/n) script in there
[14:40] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yes, thank you for the reminder. i had remembers friday late and then completely forgot about it
[14:40] <zequence> I'm not familiar at all with the ISO and installation stuff as of now. But, I could take a look at this. Which reminds me of the ubiquity pluing
[14:43] <zequence> I'd "Remember the Milk", if I hadn't forgotten to install it again
[14:44] <zequence> or a client for it, in the form of "tasque"
[14:50] <zequence> bb in a couple of hours
[17:19] <zequence> scott-work: How does it work, with the code to the ISO? Where is all it exactly?
[17:20] <zequence> Actually, I think I'd like to do an inventory of all code Ubuntu Studio is connected to
[17:25] <zequence> I had a look at the ubiquity plugins. Should be no problem to add whatever we want there
[17:25] <scott-work> zequence: to be honest, i haven't a clue at this point.
[17:26] <scott-work> zequence: but that is good news about the plugin, though
[17:26] <scott-work> i believe the ability to exclude certain groups of packages will be appealing to someone who wants to set up an purely audio studio
[17:26] <scott-work> or even other wise
[17:30] <zequence> scott-work: I
[17:30] <zequence> I'm thinking it would be nice to make all workflows instalable separately
[17:30] <zequence> A list with toggles
[17:31] <zequence> Also thinking about the logic with low latency settings. Many people might not need it. But, you may want it, even if not the whole set of audio packages
[17:31] <scott-work> zequence: right, right. i was just giving one example. sorry for the confusion
[17:34] <zequence> So, for some people -generic might be enough. One could add a "pro audio settings" toggle as well, toggled by default, which would install the core items, like linux-lowlatency
[17:34] <zequence> I haven't thought through anything. Just thinking out loud
[17:35] <zequence> So, that's package choices, pretty much
[17:35] <zequence> What else do we need?
[17:40] <zequence> scott-work: I think what I really meant was which code was infinity talking about before?
[17:44] <scott-work> zequence: i think in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager
[17:44] <scott-work> digging in now
[17:48] <scott-work> zequence: this should be it:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/update-manager/precise/files/head:/DistUpgrade/
[17:48] <scott-work> i was looking into raring and it wasn't there, so something is has apparently changed since then
[17:50] <scott-work> but since we are worrying about updating precise, then i guess this sounds like the right thing
[17:50] <zequence> scott-work: Right. Thanks
[17:50] <zequence> I'm gonna go for a run. bb in an hour or so
[17:50] <scott-work> right-o :)
[18:56] <zequence> scott-work: Ok, I got the code. Need to put some time in it (upgrade thing)
[18:57] <scott-work> zequence: cool :)
[19:41] <zequence> scott-work: Let me just ask you a bit about this thing. I need to get this clear to me. Do we want the precise ISO to install the two new workflows?
[19:42] <zequence> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't depend on the metas after all
[19:42] <zequence> which it shouldn't, of course
[19:43] <zequence> If we add the new workflows to the ISO, I don't think that would mean anyone would find themselves getting the new workflows as a part of a normal upgrade, right?
[19:43] <zequence> And the second part. When someone upgrades to quantal, do we want them to get the new workflows?
[19:44] <zequence> I can only find one solution for that, if the answer is yes. During upgrade, the user is asked if wanting to install them, and thus made aware of the new workflows.
[19:45] <zequence> You can still install Ubuntu Studio from a netinstall CD
[19:45] <zequence> And that means you might not have installed all of the workflows
[19:47] <zequence> What I'm saying is, the only time I think the user should not have the choice to have them installed is when installing directly from our ISO
[19:47] <scott-work> zequence: it sounds like there might be two separate issues: getting a new precise install to include the two new metas, and also anyone upgrading from an existing precise install
[19:47] <zequence> Well, yes
[19:48] <zequence> And, I meant to say, the only time the user should not have a choice about it, is when installing from the ISO. Since we don't offer any choices there anyway
[19:48] <scott-work> true
[19:48] <zequence> scott-work: So, how important is it really to get the workflows from an upgrade?
[19:49] <scott-work> i wonder if we have updated anything on precise for the new metas. i can't currently recall at this time
[19:50] <zequence> scott-work: No, it seems to have been untouched since April
[19:50] <scott-work> zequence: "how important" - i think len suggested (but maybe i'm misremembering) that upgrading from 12.04 -> 12.10 wouldn't bring in the new metas, even though if you installed 12.10 from ISO you would get them
[19:50] <scott-work> but that doesn't sound right
[19:50] <scott-work> hi falktx , ttoine  :)
[19:50] <ttoine> hi scott-work
[19:51] <ttoine> scott-work, I have a great news
[19:51] <scott-work> yes?
[19:51]  * scott-work likes great news
[19:51] <zequence> scott-work: Ok, it seems like no one ever suggested we add the new metas to Precise at all. It was just about the release upgrade process, then
[19:51] <ttoine> a open source editor, Bonita Soft, just hired me to be community manager
[19:51] <zequence> nice
[19:52] <ttoine> I start in Grenoble, the company home, february 18
[19:52] <ttoine> and I will be paied to be at most of Open Source fairs in the world
[19:52] <zequence> ttoine: That's super cool
[19:53] <ttoine> zequence, you can't imagine how much it is super cool for me ;-)
[19:53] <ttoine> and i am gonna live in the mountain
[19:53] <ttoine> I just hope internet connection are good when not in downtown
[19:54] <scott-work> ttoine: wow, that sounds like a dream job!  congratulations, my friend
[19:54] <scott-work> :)
[19:54] <ttoine> so maybe, at least at beginning you will see me less on irc
[19:54] <ttoine> scott-work, yes, a dream job ! ;-)
[19:54] <ttoine> thanks
[19:55] <ttoine> however, I will have to learn sql, etc. to make stats and reports about the community
[19:55] <zequence> ttoine: Not far from Switzerland. Maybe I'll come to visit you some time, if I'm close by :)
[19:55] <ttoine> zequence, you come in Switzerland often ?
[19:56] <zequence> ttoine: Not as often as I would like. I'm going there in August, for Debconf
[19:56] <zequence> My sister lives in Lausanne, so it's cheap for me to stay there
[19:57] <scott-work> zequence: i would think that adjusting precise would be the "best" thing to do, but i wonder if we would really be able to do that
[19:57] <ttoine> I like Switzerland: I lived in Zurich two years when I was a kid
[19:57] <zequence> scott-work: Why not, as a part of making a new LTS release
[19:58] <zequence> scott-work: I guess we need to check. That would also mean adding the new menu
[19:58] <zequence> ..or the items in it
[19:58] <zequence> Would make the LTS more up to date
[19:58] <zequence> So, 12.04.2 is just out, right?
[19:59] <zequence> Ah, no. It's still under development
[19:59] <zequence> So, we could basically try getting in the changes before then
[20:00] <scott-work> and that should fix the upgrade path problem as well, no?
[20:00] <zequence> scott-work: Only for those who installed the later ISO
[20:01] <zequence> We could of course add the upgrade options to update-manager as well
[20:01] <zequence> But, personally, I find that less important
[20:02] <zequence> The problem with the menu is probably that you need to delete user settings in order to get those changes in effect for users that already have Precise installed
[20:02] <zequence> The way I'd argue is that 12.04 is one version of Ubuntu Studio, and 12.04.2 is another.
[20:03] <zequence> You can't upgrade user settings anyway. Not even with Ubuntu
[20:04] <zequence> scott-work: What we can do is post news about changes, and alert users so that they know they can install something new
[20:05] <zequence> For those, who already installed Precise, that is
[20:09] <zequence> scott-work: Sorry. From what I see, upgrading will never include the new workfows unless you add it to update-manager. While a newer menu would be added, but it might not show (because of the menu being stored in the home folder, after creating the user)
[20:20] <zequence> scott-work: I'm getting a bit too tired for verbal communication. Going to doze off for today.
[20:20] <zequence> len-1304: ^ Let us know what you think about the release upgrade problem
[21:06] <ttoine> zequence, sounds good
[22:59] <len-nb> scott-work, zequence , The main problem as I remember, is that graphics and photography were in one meta. They were divided into two and then the seeding did not take or work quite right.
[23:00] <len-nb> what this meant is that photography is only half there. The menu item is there but it is missing some of the photography items we had in 11.10
[23:03] <len-nb> Therefore, the first thing to do is to make sure the metas you wish to add are correct. Not just in the seeds for 12.04, but also in metas synaptic can see. Once that is corrected... installing them will actually do some good.
[23:04] <len-nb> Menus: The menu can be upgraded and the upgrade will show up in the menu of an original user after an upgrade.
[23:05] <len-nb> However, I would suggest not. The photography menu will already be ok. The publishing meta was totally new and so you would be SRUing something new to an old release. Do we want to do that?
[23:06] <len-nb> If we do include the publishing meta, the applications will be available to the user from the office menu anyway.
[23:08] <len-nb> zequence, as we talked about this past weekend, I am thinking of going over the menu again anyway, so that our menu will work with any DE such as KDE, or gnome. (fvwm anyone?)
[23:09] <len-nb> So that Studio would be more DE agnostic.
[23:35] <len-nb> The menu does not get pulled into the users directory, it is always read from the main config file. Even alacart is used after the system menu config file and only places the user has changed things will affect anything.
[23:36]  * len-nb is not happy with alacart.


[03:17] <Bert_2> To get a version of a (small and hardly used) lib bumped for 16.04, is the best path to get it bumped in Debian or in Ubuntu Universe?
[03:23] <tsimonq2> !language
[03:23] <tsimonq2> whoops reading backlog by accident, sorry :)
[03:27] <Bert_2> tsimonq2: wait, was that aimed at me? :S
[03:49] <daftykins> Bert_2: tsimonq2 was scrolled up so responding to stale messages i think
[03:49] <daftykins> easy mistake
[04:15] <Bert_2> daftykins: I hope so :P
[04:15] <Bert_2> cause I don't want to be impolite
[05:48] <tsimonq2> Bert_2: yeah sorry was looking at scrollback, no worries :)
[05:52] <mattaustin> Hi. Anyone else using 'devel' xenial ubuntu-gnome+ppas? I am on two machines (laptop+desktop), and for the last month I can't logon to either (am just returned to the login gdm screen). I have to downgrade to libmutter0g (which also downgrades gnome-shell and some other packages with it) to get a 'working' desktop again - although the gtk theme seems messed up.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> mattaustin: maybe file a bug for this?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> !bug | mattaustin
[06:10] <mattaustin> lotuspsychje: Yep, will do then - at first I just thought it was conflicting packages, and would go away once my mirror had caught up. No idea what package is actually causing the problem though. Other than "can't log in", I can find no meaningful errors is logs
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> mattaustin: better bug this, so we have a nice clean xenial in april :p
[06:16] <damascene> Possible bug: I've chose my keyboard language as Turkish during install, when I log to add language support it shows some Turkish packages for software like libreoffice and firefox. but I can not see Turkish language selected in Install/Remove languages
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> damascene: also file a bug for that
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> the more issues the devs can solve, the better
[06:26] <damascene> Second issue: Language Support also suggest installing Non Us or UK spelling checker like Australian English spell checker and South African spell checker. why?
[06:27] <damascene> any reason that I always should have those?
[06:28] <damascene> I'll file a bug for that one.
[06:43] <damascene> lotuspsychje, what is the name of the package, please?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> damascene: not sure, try search with apt-cache search
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> damascene: turkish must be something with -tr
[06:44] <damascene> lotuspsychje, I think it's language-selector-something
[10:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:26] <penguin42> well that was the funkiest X crash I'd seen for a long time
[14:28] <damascene> $ dpkg --verify gnome-language-selector dpkg: package 'gnome-language-selector' is not installed tester@tester-VirtualBox:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-language-selector  N: Unable to locate package gnome-language-selector tester@tester-VirtualBox:~$ gnome-language-selector --help
[14:29] <damascene> but when I run the command it works!
[14:43] <penguin42> damascene: It's probably part of a different package
[14:43] <penguin42> damascene: if you do something like dpkg -S $(which gnome-language-selector)    it should tell you which package it's in
[14:56] <damascene> penguin42, thank you I found it by using the command you provided: language-selector-gnome: /usr/bin/gnome-language-selector
[14:57] <penguin42> right
[21:28] <[acosonic]> So, on Ubuntu 14.04, Redmine gets installed as root. It's not a good practice, any ideas in 16, will that still be the case?
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> !info redmine
[21:30] <[acosonic]> lotuspsychje, hm, I see, but that answers only part of my question, I'm writing a book on Redmine for Packt Publishing, it's about to get out next month
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> oh i see
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> [acosonic]: maybe test xenial aplha 1 and test demine on it?
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> redmine
[21:32] <[acosonic]> lotuspsychje, Hm, good idea, but who to contact if it's not OK? I suggest it should be user redmine created inside the system...
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> !bug | [acosonic]
[21:34] <lordievader> [acosonic]: You like to run redmine under its own user? I suppose the setup script sets it up as root (must say I have no experience with installing redmine, only using it).
[21:36] <[acosonic]> lordievader, yeah, that's how it is in ubuntu 14... Ok, thanks, I'll spin-off some virtual machine with newest server candidate, and submit bug if it's still installed as root.
[21:37] <lordievader> [acosonic]: Please do read the pre/post-install scripts first ;) There might be some comments about it.
[21:37] <[acosonic]> lordievader, btw, if you are interested it's on New Year sale still, only 5$ https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/redmine-cookbook
[21:38] <lordievader> We have a nice install running ;)
[21:38] <lordievader> Quite modified too.
[21:40] <[acosonic]> lordievader, Oh? How-so? One of book is dedicated to modifications and different use-cases.  I have a janitor company using it, and they LOVE it, especially re-occuring tasks plugin, it tells them to go isnpect someones elevator... Sends them emails & stuff... Like Jarvis from iron man :D
[21:41] <lordievader> No idea, someone else set it up. I know it does some syncing with ldap, and it has intergration with IRC through irker.
[21:45] <[acosonic]> lordievader, coolio, yeah, there are several irc related plugins


[00:02] <chrisccoulson> DanEngholm, cool!
[00:04] <DanEngholm> I've been trying to figure this out for hours and hours.  Only when told Robert about Subversion did I think, "Gee, I should have just removed all of the .svn directories.  Maybe that would have fixed it."  But it's nice to know exactly what was going on.
[00:04] <DanEngholm> I'm adding a new comment to the bug.  Thanks again, Chris and Robert.
[00:19] <huats> didrocks, Bug #522656
[00:19] <huats> Once you have time...
[00:20] <huats> robert_ancell, hey
[00:20] <huats> How are you ?
[00:27] <huats> What is the current workflow for a sponsoring ? do I need to subscribe a team on the bug even if a branch is attached ? If yes, I have to admit that I don't know which team to subscribe...
[00:28] <huats> chrisccoulson, any idea ?
[00:29] <chrisccoulson> huats - yeah, you should still subscribe sponsors for now
[00:29] <chrisccoulson> i think we're still using ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors at the moment
[00:29] <huats> chrisccoulson, ok I wasn't sure
[00:29] <huats> thanks then !
[00:30] <robert_ancell> huats, hey
[00:30] <huats> robert_ancell, chrisccoulson was faster :)
[00:30] <chrisccoulson> huats - you might want to take a look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-February/030194.html
[00:30] <huats> Oh this is a mail that I need to read :)
[00:31] <huats> (it is marked as such in my mailbox)
[00:31] <huats> thanks chrisccoulson
[00:31] <huats> I need to go to bed before my baby needs to be changed so that I can get some sleep :)
[00:31] <huats> sorry to rush you guys :)
[08:01] <didrocks> good morning
[08:03] <thekorn> good morning didrocks
[08:03] <didrocks> hey thekorn
[08:04] <nigelb> hey, I've requested a merge for rhythmbox in bzr (added apport hook), can one of you guys remind seb when he comes on or look into it yourself
[08:04] <didrocks> nigelb: ping him tomorrow, today it's frozen due to alpha3
[08:05] <nigelb> didrocks: ah, will do. thanks :)
[08:09] <thekorn> nigelb, have you tested this hook?
[08:09] <nigelb> yes
[08:10] <nigelb> thekorn: feel free to test it though.  I've run as much thorough tests as I can.  Plus hggdh has also tested it.
[08:10] <didrocks> guten tag pitti
[08:10] <pitti> Bonjour mes amis
[08:10] <thekorn> nigelb, for me it looks like it will fail with a NameError if the user choose the first option
[08:11] <pitti> bryceh: nouveau-kernel-source> sounds redundant indeed, and it'll be obsolete soon
[08:11] <thekorn> nigelb, because attach_gconf is not defined
[08:12] <nigelb> thekorn: attach_gconf is a function in apport.hookutils
[08:12] <didrocks> pitti: you seem to have squeezed this:
[08:12] <didrocks> 18:33:08      didrocks | pitti: do I had the bg wallpaper extra work as a WI somewhere? (the one with "ubiquity doesn't use gnome-destkop in install mode, so no cache and we are screwed" and the second "netbook-launcher doesn't use gnome-desktop to draw the bg")
[08:12] <didrocks> 18:33:27      didrocks | not sure about 1/ apart again from the hakish way
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: "squeezed"? I added it to the BP yesterday, to not forget
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: I didn't follow the entire discussion; so there's no way to create the cache in ubiquity-only mode?
[08:13] <thekorn> nigelb, exactly. this is why you need to either change this line to apport.hookutils.attach_gconf(....) or do a   from apport.hookutils import *
[08:13] <thekorn> somewhere
[08:13] <pitti> bryceh: no reverse dependencies, so I can remove it easily; just say the word
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: oh ok, as you didn't anwser yesterday and then, you said "good bye", I thought, the hl was  lost :)
[08:14] <nigelb> thekorn: there is an "import apport.hookutils" line
[08:14]  * pitti -> back in 15, breakfast
[08:14] <nigelb> thekorn: (thats how other hooks were formatted too!)
[08:15] <thekorn> nigelb, no, I don't believe you ;) show me an example :)
[08:15] <nigelb> thekorn: gimme a momment
[08:15] <didrocks> pitti: there are two things: We can change ubiquity to call libgnome-desktop (if we have some python binding for that) and there is n-l as well to change
[08:15] <nigelb> thekorn: running lucid?
[08:15] <thekorn> nigelb, sure
[08:16] <nigelb> thekorn: go to /usr/share/apport/package-hooks
[08:16] <nigelb> thekorn: and see the file source_totem.py
[08:19] <thekorn> nigelb, that's a bad example, no attach_gconf in it, please have a look at source_gnome-panel.py or source_gnome-power-manager.py for two possible ways doing import in python
[08:20] <nigelb> thekorn: but wait a minute, how did it work?
[08:21] <thekorn> nigelb, don't know, how did you test it?
[08:22] <nigelb> I copied the file to the /usr/share/apport/package-hooks directory and called ubuntu-bug rhythmbox
[08:25] <nigelb> thekorn: so now I have to do the whole thing against with an import * ?
[08:25] <thekorn> nigelb, the easiest way is to use apport.hookutils.attach_gconf(....)
[08:26] <nigelb> thekorn: will there be changes today? (can I do it 2morrow)?
[08:26] <thekorn> don't kow
[08:30] <pitti> didrocks: why n-l?
[08:30] <pitti> didrocks: so we can't just create it in the ubiquity-casper hook then?
[08:30] <didrocks> pitti: the hooks are run as root
[08:31] <pitti> right
[08:31] <didrocks> so, we have to use the same trick that I proposed in postinst I'm afraid (to get X, etc.)
[08:31] <pitti> didrocks: but we are in a much more controlled environment than during dist-upgrade on a random user configuration
[08:31] <didrocks> ok, can have a try within a hook so
[08:32] <pitti> didrocks: but if it's too fiddly, please ignore it
[08:32] <pitti> didrocks: I added the WI as a reminder to see how much effort it is
[08:32] <pitti> didrocks: initially it seemed to be trivial, like adding a new search path (/root/.cache)
[08:32] <didrocks> pitti: I have all the pieces now, it's just a question of putting them together
[08:32] <pitti> but if it's lots of work, nevermind
[08:32] <didrocks> pitti: so, there is the second point
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: which is netbook-launcher
[08:33] <didrocks> netbook-launcher doesn't use gnome-desktop to show the bg
[08:33] <didrocks> and so, there is a race at start between g-s-d and n-l to show the bg
[08:33] <didrocks> sometimes g-s-d wins and we have a cache
[08:33] <didrocks> sometimes not, and n-l shows it
[08:33] <didrocks> (and so, no cache)
[08:34] <didrocks> in any case, n-l ignore g-s-d and draw the cache
[08:34] <didrocks> s/cache/bg/
[08:36] <baptistemm> hello
[08:36] <didrocks> salut baptistemm
[08:36] <pitti> didrocks: ah, that explains it
[08:36] <pitti> didrocks: can't we just stop n-l from drawing the background? no need to have it done by two components?
[08:37] <didrocks> pitti: yes, "the random cache file isn't there" from keybuck
[08:37] <didrocks> pitti: I can give it a try, but as it's in a clutter pixbuf, not sure we won't just have a white bg
[08:37] <didrocks> at least, I can try :)
[08:37] <didrocks> I guess n-l-efl needs some investigation too
[08:38]  * didrocks prays for the day he will be able to have one full day without "cache" nor "background" word :)
[08:38] <pitti> didrocks: oh, you mean in the case where it works, both g-s-d and n-l write the background; and otherwise it's just n-l?
[08:39] <pitti> didrocks: don't pray, just have it :) and ignore this topic entirely
[08:39]  * pitti STFU
[08:39] <didrocks> pitti: right, I think g-s-d should have some detection for "something is already drawn"
[08:39] <didrocks> pitti: heh
[08:39] <pitti> didrocks: I'm not sure whether it can find that out, especially if n-l isn't even using g-desktop
[08:40] <didrocks> pitti: there is some function in gnome-desktop to get if something is drawn on a monitor. I thing g-s-d calls that (I'll have a look at nautilus g-s-d interaction for that)
[08:41] <didrocks> well, let's remove bg drawing first
[08:41] <didrocks> that's the easiest part
[08:43] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:43] <didrocks> salut seb128, couché pas trop tard hier, pas de hockey? ;)
[08:43] <seb128> 1:30am
[08:43] <seb128> just watched to 0:30 game
[08:45] <seb128> didrocks, nautilus interaction, g-s-d just read the nautilus gconf ke
[08:45] <seb128> key
[08:45] <didrocks> seb128: oh thanks. I was thinking something more clever than that :)
[08:45] <seb128> I don't think there is a smart way to know if what is on screen is the background you want
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: no, the issue is apprentely, if n-l draws the bg before g-s-d, g-s-d doesn't try even to draw it (there is no cache file which appears). I'm wondering how it can prevent g-s-d from drawing it
[08:47] <seb128> are you sure it does?
[08:47] <^arky^> seb128: hi, you haven't replied to this bug comment  bug 510775
[08:48] <didrocks> seb128: well, on netbook, sometimes, we don't have any cache wallpaper at all (and I don't see any call to libgnome-desktop in the show bg part), and njpatel assured that n-l draws the bg
[08:48] <seb128> ^arky^, yeah, I don't look for number for other people or I would spend my week looking for dup numbers and not fix any bug in ubuntu
[08:48] <didrocks> so, something should prevent g-s-d to do it, but randomly (as at other boots, the bg is there)
[08:48] <seb128> didrocks, right, I've followed discussion I just say there is no reason why g-s-d doesn't display the bg too
[08:49] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:50] <didrocks> seb128: that's my only assumption for now why the "show bg" code isn't called sometime. Well, in any case, I should first fix n-l for the background part
[08:50] <pitti> didrocks: so, if n-l does not _need_ to draw the bg (it might need to because it does fading, blending, or what not), then let's disable it
[08:51] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:51] <didrocks> that can be a first approach, right (I'm looking at the code now)
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, did you real scrollback about gmenucache yesterday?
[08:51] <pitti> didrocks: if it does need to draw the bg, then let's patch g-s-d to not draw it at all for n-l (since then we don't need the cache either)
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: yes, I saw it
[08:51] <seb128> didrocks, I would start by putting g-s-d printfs
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: I agree, it should build a cache for all locales
[08:51] <seb128> didrocks, in the draw background code to make sure ti's not called
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: I still don't understand the .UTF-8 vs. .utf8 madness :/
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, locale -a lists .utf8
[08:52] <seb128> loging out of gdm does UTF-8
[08:52] <pitti> right, it has always done so
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: I've put them in libgnome, part, but right, I can add them to g-s-d as well
[08:52] <pitti> but until before lucid that that was an invalid format
[08:52] <seb128> and .dmrc has .utf8
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, could be a locale bug...
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: I think it's a transition
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: but anyway, I know what I'll do
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, want to assign the bug to you?
[08:53] <pitti> seb128: in the caching code and cache generator I'll just s/UTF-8/utf8/, and always use the normalized form
[08:53] <pitti> seb128: oh, please do
[08:53] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, bug #517616
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, doing
[08:54] <^arky^> seb128: yeah, I understand.  This missing 'shutdown menu' is a a11y problem. How can we fix it ?
[08:55] <seb128> ^arky^, you will be able to open it using the keyboard ted is working on those changes
[08:56] <seb128> ^arky^, ie it will have a super+<some_key> shortcut
[08:56] <seb128> ^arky^, is that good enough?
[08:56] <seb128> super being the microsoft flag key
[08:57] <^arky^> seb128: Not really, a lot of blind linux users would look for the shutdown menu option under the system menu it shouldn't be changed
[08:57] <seb128> ^arky^, the menu items have not been there for over a year
[08:57] <seb128> ^arky^, why can't those users be told that we have a session menu now?
[08:58] <pitti> seb128: do you happen to have the link handy for that page which used access("here I am") and that script to produce a chart?
[08:58] <pitti> for gnome startup speed profiling?
[08:58] <^arky^> seb128: yes, in a11y install mode, the fuse is removed by casper. Also it takes lot of keyboard tabs to reach the session menu
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2006-03.html#login-time-1
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: merci
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, de rien
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, you probably what the post after this one on the webpage
[09:01] <seb128> ^arky^, I just told you the session menu will have a shortcut
[09:01] <seb128> ^arky^, so it should be no tab, just one shortcut
[09:04] <seb128> pitti, would it make sense to upload the gpm fix now?
[09:04] <seb128> pitti, it's weird to have that menu empty
[09:04] <seb128> pitti, and the fix is obvious
[09:04] <pitti> ok, might just as well do
[09:05] <seb128> thanks
[09:05] <pitti> doing
[09:05] <seb128> pitti, bug #407300 I'm not sure how much it's an issue
[09:05] <seb128> nobody replied to my previous comment
[09:07] <^arky^> seb128: Providing a shortcut key is good, but I still would beg you to bring back the shutdown menus back http://vinci.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/removed-shutdown-in-ubuntu-jauntys-system-menu/
[09:07] <seb128> ^arky^, why?
[09:08] <pitti> seb128: it seems easy to fix
[09:08] <pitti> I just grabbed it out of my daily mail, I'll investigate it later on
[09:08] <^arky^> seb128: Because the blind users have been using that for years now, there is dirty casper hack that reverts this back in accessible mode
[09:09] <seb128> ^arky^, blind users are not stupid why couldn't they adapt to change?
[09:09] <seb128> we can't never change any ui because blind users know where things used to be
[09:11] <^arky^> seb128: darn! that's a shame
[09:11] <seb128> ...
[09:13] <tseliot> seb128: speaking of UIs, did they decide on the position of tabs in gnome?
[09:13] <^arky^> seb128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/casper/lucid/annotate/head%3A/scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility#L37
[09:14] <seb128> brb
[09:16] <seb128> re
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[09:17] <seb128> tseliot, no, I don't think there is any discussion
[09:17] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[09:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti said he will fix the gnome-menus issue by normalizing the utf8 naming
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks. i was just about to ask if you mentioned it to him yet
[09:17] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:18] <seb128> ^arky^, I understand than current situation is an issue, you fail to convince me of the issue once we will have keyboard accessibility there
[09:18] <pitti> yes, I read the scrollback
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! looking forward to the weekend
[09:18] <pitti> I have a swap day tomorrow
[09:18] <tseliot> seb128: ok, thanks
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, me too ;)
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> (looking forward to the weekend)
[09:18] <seb128> ^arky^, the session menu is just one menu as easy to open than the system one
[09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: slackers :p
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:18]  * seb128 looks forward alpha3 unfreeze
[09:18] <pitti> and we will go to Paderborn, for some sightseeing, wellness hotel, and an exhibition of Claude Shannon's devices that he built over the years and decades
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: I'll need someone to be in the release team meeting tomorrow ..
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, oh nice, enjoy ;-)
[09:19] <^arky^> seb128: ok I understand, let me know where to track the development of session menu with ted ?
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, oh right you are taking a vac day?
[09:19] <pitti> I'll prepare the report, but would be nice to have someone to ansswer questions
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: right
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, I can cover for you
[09:19]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:19]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: or do you want to update this week's report yourself, as a means of exercise?
[09:19] <seb128> ^arky^, there or #ayatana?
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, I've a busy plate for today so I'm happy to pass if you have time to do it
[09:20] <^arky^> seb128: thanks for hearing me out !
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, but I should do some before end of cycle ;-)
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: fine
[09:21] <^arky^> seb128: my interest is a11y and screen reader users
[09:21] <seb128> ^arky^, np
[09:21] <^arky^> :)
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:21] <seb128> ^arky^, right, your input is welcome and I agree current session menu can't be open easily from keyboard which sucks
[09:21] <seb128> ^arky^, that will be fixed in lucid though
[09:21] <seb128> so I think things should work just fine there
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, wait, when do the update needs to be done?
[09:22] <^arky^> seb128: looking forward for that :)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: meeting is tomorrow 17:00 CET
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, I want to get other things done this morning but I can do in the end of afternoon
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, not sure how much I still need you around when I do it though
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: oh, you don't have to -- if you are busy, then please finish your tasks
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: I think for the first time we really want to do it together
[09:23] <pitti> so that I can explain the things I'm checking, what I prod people about, etc.
[09:24] <pitti> and what to point out in the release meeting
[09:24] <seb128> pitti, ok, so maybe wait start of afternoon and see how I get things done this morning
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: if not, that's fine; we'll have plenty of opportunities to practice still :)
[09:24]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:24] <seb128> right
[09:24]  * seb128 hugs pitti ;-)
[09:24] <seb128> screw you rsync
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: but yes, I'll do it in the afternoon anyway, I don't want to spend my fresh and quiet morning hours on report writing :)
[09:24] <seb128> luckily I did backup the iso this time
[09:25] <pitti> morning -> hack time
[09:25] <seb128> same here ;-)
[09:25] <pitti> afternoon, with IRC being busy -> email, reporting, bug triage
[09:25] <seb128> hum, bug #527607
[09:25] <seb128> I'm pondering closing it as NOTABUG
[09:25] <seb128> what an idea to remap the sleep key :p
[09:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ would it be a g-s-d or g-p-m bug?
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's probably g-c-c if the keybinding description is still shipped there. the actual functionality has been removed from g-s-d
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> so we should remove it from the capplet too
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> i'll just check
[09:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, now that you mention it I think it has been fixed in lucid
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the keybinding description needs removing from capplets/keybindings/01-desktop-key.xml.in if it is still there in lucid
[09:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's the other way around
[09:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that key assign "sleep_key" to $random_action
[09:29] <seb128> like pick "run calculator" and press the key
[09:29] <seb128> that *guy* assign
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, then he presses the key and it suspend the box
[09:29] <seb128> instead of running the calculator
[09:29] <seb128> or maybe it does both :-p
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> so, he's actually assigning the sleep key to run something else?
[09:30] <seb128> yes
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> that's strange
[09:30] <seb128> well that's how I understand the bug
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think you're right
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> we need a "don't be so silly" reply button ;)
[09:31] <seb128> I guess he doesn't suspend from keyboard and decided it would be nicer to use the key for something he does
[09:31] <seb128> yeah, what I was think too ;-)
[09:32] <seb128> I just added a comment saying basically "too much of a special case to justify spending work on it"
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sounds good
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> and i'm not sure it would be possible to detect that another application has already got a grab on a particular key anyway, to prevent a user from re-assigning it
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> or maybe there is
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> but it's too much work anyway ;)
[09:34] <seb128> right
[09:35] <seb128> better to spend time on a real issue
[09:47] <dpm> hey seb128, good morning. We talked some time ago about the desktop entries with X-GNOME-FullName not appearing translated. You told me there might be a bug filed already, but so far I haven't been able to find it. I'd like to track it, and I'm thinking on filing one on glib2.0, what do you think?
[09:47] <seb128> dpm, hi, I fixed that in glib during the distro sprint
[09:47] <seb128> dpm, if it's buggy again I need to check why
[09:48] <dpm> seb128, ah, awesome, thanks
[09:48] <seb128> np
[09:48] <seb128> I will check that today
[09:50] <dpm> seb128, thanks a lot, if you need more info, just let me know. In my system the Rhythmbox entry is translated for example, whereas Evolution is not.
[09:50] <seb128> rhythmbox does use X-GNOME-FullName though
[09:50] <dpm> seb128, yeah, that was the weird thing
[09:52] <seb128> dpm, can you delete /usr/share/applications/desktop*cache?
[09:52] <seb128> dpm, and run gnome-panel --replace
[09:52] <seb128> dpm, and tell me if that fixes the broken entries
[09:52] <seb128> I think it's another pitti's bog
[09:52] <dpm> ok, let me try that
[09:52] <seb128> the cache doesn't have the translated value there for X-GNOME-FullName
[09:52] <seb128> ie has for Name and Comment though
[09:55] <dpm> seb128, great, that fixed it
[09:55] <seb128> dpm, ok good, so my glib fixes work
[09:55] <seb128> dpm, I will get that cache bug fixed too
[09:55] <seb128> dpm, thanks for pointing it
[09:55] <dpm> seb128, awesome, thanks to you :)
[09:59]  * pitti apologizes for screwing up so much
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, only those who do nothing don't screw anything there ;-)
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, I'm looking into that issue right now
[10:00] <seb128> I'm wondering if that's something to change in pyxdg
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, ok, gotcha
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, there is no getX-GNOME-FullName
[10:02] <seb128> in pyxdg
[10:02] <seb128> so it goes
[10:02] <seb128>         except AttributeError:
[10:02] <seb128>             val = de.get(f)
[10:02] <pitti> you need to call the normal get() function with localize=True or so
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, well you do
[10:02] <seb128>     for f in fields:
[10:02] <seb128>         try:
[10:02] <seb128>             val = getattr(de, 'get' + f)()
[10:03] <seb128> so build "getKEY"
[10:03] <seb128> and the getX-GNOME-FullName breaks
[10:03] <pitti> right, that needs s apecial case
[10:03] <pitti> swap the 'a' and 's' :)
[10:03] <seb128> :-)
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, well we can add a
[10:04] <seb128> def getX-GNOME-FullName(self):
[10:04] <seb128>   return self.get('X-GNOME-FullName', locale=True)
[10:05] <pitti> but rather than changing pyxdg we could just handle that in the cache builder; seems easier
[10:05] <seb128> to pyxdg
[10:05] <pitti> also, identifiers must not have a '-' in the name
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, well I'm just wondering if other pyxdg users will have that issue too
[10:06] <seb128> pitti, ok so just special case the X-GNOME-FullName field in the menu cache to do a get with locale=True?
[10:06] <seb128> wfm
[10:06] <pitti> right
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, want me to do the change?
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: if you want to, go ahead; otherwise I can do it later on
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, or will you do it while you look at the utf8 change?
[10:07] <pitti> right, I can do both alongside
[10:07] <seb128> ok good thanks
[10:07] <seb128> do you want a bug about that?
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: is there a bug for this issue which I need to close?
[10:07] <pitti> heh, snap
[10:08] <seb128> dpm, ^
[10:08] <seb128> dpm, do you have a bug for that X-GNOME-FullName not translated?
[10:08] <TeTeT> asac: I've compiled network manager now with dhcpcd and w/o dhclient, but the options seem to get ignored. here's my debian/rules file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383586/
[10:08] <seb128> dpm, if not can you open a gnome-menus one?
[10:08] <pitti> seb128, dpm: if not, I just make a note in bug 517616
[10:08] <TeTeT> asac: alternatively I downloaded dhcp client 4 from isc.org and built it, works fine with it
[10:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you want to do the g-s-d and g-c-c updates when you have time this week or next one?
[10:10] <seb128> I'm happy to let you those
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can do those
[10:11] <seb128> thanks
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> i'll probably get them done before i start on monday
[10:12] <seb128> no hurry
[10:15] <dpm> pitti, seb128, I've got no problem in opening a new bug on gnome-menus for the cache issue, but if it's the same as bug 517616, I'll just add a note there, what do you prefer?
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, ok, rsync is taking longer that I was expecting for the few changes we had and I'm done with the other thing I was looking at now
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, no it's not the same issue but it's in the same code
[10:15] <pitti> dpm: works for me
[10:15] <seb128> if pitti says it works for him just do that
[10:16] <seb128> pitti, I can look with you at the meeting wikipage now if you want
[10:16] <dpm> just add a comment, then?
[10:16] <seb128> pitti, or start on something else if we keep morning for hacking ;-)
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: if we could delay it until the afternoon, I'd prefer that, but I can drop my current work if it's convenient for you now
[10:17] <seb128> pitti, no, afternoon is fine, I've enough tasks to pick on
[10:17]  * seb128 starts next task ;-)
[10:18] <pitti> seb "task machine" astien
[10:18] <seb128> lol
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> i wish logitech would stop making keyboards without indicator LED's on them
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> i own 2 such keyboards now
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> and there's no way of telling when caps lock is on
[10:21] <seb128> do you have a cord for those?
[10:21] <seb128> usually the not led it to spare power on cordless devices
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - they're cordless ;)
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> that's a good point about saving power
[10:22] <seb128> I usually have standard keyboard
[10:22] <seb128> I don't move the keyboard enough to need a cordless one
[10:22] <seb128> it's nice for the mouse though
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i probably should have got a standard keyboard
[10:29] <huats> Hello everyone
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> hey huats
[10:31] <huats> hey chrisccoulson
[10:31] <huats> chrisccoulson, just a question do you ever sleep ????
[10:31] <huats> :)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> huats - yeah, i sleep between 4am and 7am usually ;)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> although, i've been getting to bed earlier for the last couple of weeks
[10:32] <huats> :)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> my daughter sleeps all night now ;)
[10:33] <huats> great !
[10:43] <tseliot> seb128, mpt: so, if upstream doesn't revert the "tabs at the bottom" change, are we going to stick with it?
[10:43] <seb128> tseliot, why not?
[10:43] <seb128> I don't really care either way I don't use tabs
[10:44] <seb128> if there is no design team recommendations we will stick with upstream behaviour
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> i find the tabs at the bottom mildly annoying
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> i use them quite a bit
[10:45] <tseliot> seb128: it's just a question. Having it at the bottom makes me less productive. Tabs are usually at the top. This change breaks my assumptions on where tabs are
[10:45] <tseliot> I use tabs a lot
[10:45] <seb128> well as said I don't use tabs in nautilus so I've no opinion
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> it wouldn't be trivial to revert the change. it's not just a case of moving the tabs again, as other UI elements have been changed to get the alignment correct
[10:46] <tseliot> ok, let's see what mpt says
[10:46] <tseliot> oh, so isn't it just this change? http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=c6ee7553fd029239eff50d32dbcb57223ffa185e
[10:46] <seb128> tseliot, right check with mpt or djsiegel
[10:47] <tseliot> ok
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> tseliot - i don't think so. there were further changes after that, as moving the tabs messed up the alignment of all the other elements
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> they would need to be reverted too, and then i don't know how that fits with the new split view that was added (which is the main reason for the change)
[10:49] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: reverting the change would need some testing (definitely in a PPA)
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to find the other changes atm
[10:50] <seb128> I don't think reverting would be hard if we want that
[10:50] <seb128> reading planet gnome I think design team view is that adding split view sucks
[10:50] <seb128> it complicates the ui and was not really required
[10:51] <tseliot> I've never used that
[10:51] <seb128> but we have no going to undo that change...
[10:52]  * tseliot asks in #design
[10:53] <tjaalton> I hate the tabs on bottom
[10:54] <seb128> I'm surprised by how many of you use tabs in a filemanager ;-)
[10:54] <tjaalton> obviously firefox needs to adapt as well..
[10:54] <tjaalton> it's better than opening several windows
[10:54] <tjaalton> with sidebars etc
[10:54] <seb128> I don't find it to be the case
[10:54] <seb128> easier to dnd between things open together
[10:55] <tjaalton> though until nautilus supports rubberbanding on listview I'll keep disliking it :)
[10:55] <tjaalton> but there's no real option either
[10:55] <tjaalton> dnd works between tabs just fine
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> tseliot: that's the other change btw - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=89c29e1beb04b7f0cc751976bff052af26faf8cd
[10:56] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: wouldn't it be easier to just disable the extra pane?
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> am i the only one who uses split view?
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> and tabs? ;)
[10:57] <tseliot> ah
[10:57] <tseliot> maybe ;)
[10:57] <tjaalton> I use tabs
[10:59] <tseliot> maybe we could revert these 2 changes and put the packages in a PPA for testing
[10:59] <tseliot> just to see how it goes
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> i assume split view will be necessary in the gnome-shell world
[11:00] <tseliot> it looks like the extra pane will go away
[11:00] <seb128> it's not
[11:00] <tseliot> (this is what they decided at the hackfest)
[11:01] <seb128> the split view was added because alex said nautilus is moving from being a way to browse your files to manage those
[11:01] <seb128> default was special because nautilus was there to find things you need an open those
[11:01] <seb128> that usecase is handled better in gnome-shell with recent documents etc
[11:01] <seb128> and activites
[11:01] <seb128> so now the main purpose and to organize your files
[11:01] <seb128> which justify extra options to make that easier
[11:02] <seb128> like splited view, tabs, etc
[11:02] <asac> * language-pack-${Languages} [i386 amd64 powerpc]
[11:03] <asac> why do you think armel doesnt want language-packs ;)?
[11:03] <thekorn> didrocks, what is the correct target for a bugreport to exclude an application from beeing maximized in UNE? the application itself?
[11:03] <asac> ;)
[11:05] <didrocks> thekorn: ubuntu-netbook-default-settings
[11:05] <thekorn> didrocks, okidoki, thanks
[11:05] <didrocks> thekorn: just ensure first that the discussion is valid. It's really when the application is unusable/crappy in fullscreen
[11:06] <didrocks> thekorn: don't want to start a holy war on that :)
[11:06] <thekorn> didrocks, starting onboard fullscreen just makes no sense
[11:06] <didrocks> thekorn: it's a duplicate
[11:06] <thekorn> ok
[11:07] <didrocks> thekorn: there was already one bug and it's fix commited yesterday. I'm just waiting for end of alpha 3 freeze
[11:07] <thekorn> great, you rock
[11:07] <didrocks> thekorn: thanks for triaging this :)
[11:08] <seb128> asac, who is using armel anyway? ;-)
[11:08] <seb128> asac, but good question I don't know why those should be arch specific
[11:08] <asac> :)
[11:08] <seb128> pitti might know
[11:09] <asac> there have been a bunch of changes lately with [i386 amd64 powerpc]
[11:09] <asac> some are right though (e.g. ooo)
[11:09] <seb128> you feel second class citizen? ;-)
[11:11] <didrocks> asac: not sure about the CD size, I let the default, just add new locals :p feel free to change the seed
[11:13] <asac> didrocks: right. please whenever you use [i386 amd64 powerpc] ... include armel - except for OOO ;)
[11:13] <didrocks> asac: ok, let's take this rule :)
[11:13] <asac> cool
[11:16] <didrocks> njpatel_: bg cache now in netbook-launcher :)
[11:16] <njpatel_> didrocks, awesome!
[11:19] <seb128> didrocks, did you make it use gnome-bd?
[11:19] <seb128> gnome-bg
[11:20] <didrocks> seb128: no, unfortunately, there are some special cases in the code because of clutter and I'm afraid for issues with multi monitors
[11:33] <njpatel_> didrocks, wncksync daemon's packaging branch needs some love -- it's currently deleting autogen.sh etc
[11:33] <njpatel_> didrocks, do you want me to roll a release with a fixed extra-dist?
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> cake day today!
[12:19] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: every day is a cake day
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> heh, everyone is happy here now they have cakes
[12:58] <seb128> hum, cake!
[12:58] <didrocks> pitti: about bug #527528. I can't reproduce it with a stock install. My guess is that he has a home folder already with a .dmrc and as we don't change the default session… Well, i'll update it, but it's not an alpha3 blocker in any way and not a bug IMHO :)
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: no, not a blocker of any kind, but perhaps you can request some information (like ~/.dmrc and the gdm cache) to confirm?
[13:06] <pitti> didrocks: if it was a clean install, there shouldn't be any .dmrc?
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: right, I asked for the home dir first
[13:07] <pitti> didrocks: merci (don't waste much time on it, low prio issue)
[13:09] <didrocks> I'm finishing my last test with netbook-launcher cahe, it seems to works fine. What I can do is to use the "zoom" transformation by default instead of the "stretched" one to share the share cache by default between GNOME and UNE
[13:14] <pitti> didrocks: poor you; but thanks for pushing this!
[13:14] <didrocks> pitti: no pb, "just finish the work©". well, I'm more sceptic for the ubiquity WI, we'll see :)
[13:42] <seb128> slomo, there?
[13:47] <slomo> seb128: sure
[13:47] <seb128> slomo, hey
[13:47] <seb128> slomo, what is this cairo break on xulrunner about?
[13:47] <seb128> slomo, did .10 break things?
[13:48] <slomo> seb128: xulrunner/gecko/firefox/bla has a bug that is exposed by new cairo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522635
[13:49] <seb128> asac, asac_: ^ do you know if that's an issue for lucid?
[13:49] <seb128> or do we use the firefox cairo copy now?
[13:49] <seb128> or do we use the firefox cairo copy now?
[13:49] <seb128> ups
[13:49] <seb128> slomo, also your changelog mention section changes but debdiff says control didn't change
[13:49] <seb128> out of the breaks
[13:50] <slomo> seb128: btw, please sync all the gstreamer packages once again :) these are gstreamer0.10, gst-plugins-{base,good,bad,ugly}0.10, gnonlin, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg... releases are to be expected early next week
[13:50] <slomo> seb128: hm, thanks
[13:50] <seb128> slomo, I will do that after alpha3 freeze thanks
[13:51] <seb128> slomo, with the current versions I get some codec install issues btw...
[13:51] <seb128> slomo, I will try with all updates before pinging you though
[13:51] <seb128> slomo, I get the error dialog and then codec install kicking it
[13:51] <seb128> and not always
[13:51] <seb128> like I tried on an .asx and .avi and an .mp3
[13:51] <seb128> and it didn't work for the mp3
[13:52] <seb128> I just got the error dialog
[13:52] <slomo> hmm, if you give me some more details how to reproduce it i'll take a look
[13:52] <seb128> slomo, well here it's easy, install alpha3 and double click on a mp3
[13:52] <slomo> i tried it on a lot of files between .26.2 and .26.3 and it always worked
[13:52] <seb128> that's totem 2.29 and current gstreamer + base
[13:53] <slomo> only core and base? no gst-plugins-good?
[13:53] <seb128> slomo, I will try again with the files this guy listed on his bug
[13:53] <seb128> slomo, no, I did manage to got those in because the alpha3 freeze
[13:53] <seb128> slomo, that's why I said I would try again with everything uptodate
[13:54] <slomo> heh, well, without gst-plugins-good i get an error too :)
[13:54] <slomo> it doesn't find gconfaudiosink... but that's a bug in totem
[13:54] <seb128> euh
[13:54] <seb128> good is installed
[13:54] <slomo> ok
[13:55] <seb128> I just didn't do the pre version update
[13:55] <seb128> sorry I was not clear
[13:55] <seb128> anyway I will ping you back later or tomorrow once I got everything updated
[13:56] <slomo> not necessary, i can reproduce it *sigh* thanks for reporting
[13:56] <seb128> slomo, thank you ;-)
[13:57] <slomo> so, it seems that totem doesn't ignore the errors anymore :)
[13:57] <slomo> i'll try to get it fixed this week
[13:57] <seb128> excellent, you rock!
[14:00] <slomo> seb128: since when is it broken?
[14:00] <slomo> seb128: .26? .26.2?
[14:00] <seb128> slomo, hard to say, but .26 or before I would say
[14:01] <seb128> slomo, I don't do too much new install testing early in the cycle
[14:01] <seb128> but that guy who opened the bug upstream with all the example you tried was asking about it before 26.2
[14:09] <seb128> hey tedg
[14:09] <tedg> Howdy seb128
[14:10] <seb128> how are you?
[14:14] <pitti> tedg: howdy
[14:15] <tedg> Doing okay.  Running into IRC everywhere this morning :)
[14:16] <tedg> We need to unfreeze the archive to make people busy again ;)
[14:37] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, good morning
[14:38] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, what's the status of getting this merged?
[14:38] <kenvandine> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/get_port_through_dbus/+merge/20066
[14:38]  * kenvandine would love to get a dc upload after we are unfroze :)
[14:42] <aquarius> an upload would fix the -hashed-password bug too, I think
[14:47] <kenvandine> aquarius, yay :)
[15:02] <CardinalFang> kenvandine, aquarius, hi.  I haven't gotten it reviewed yet.  I add more yesterday, locally, to notice couchdb dying and to get a new port and re-advertise, but I think that's overkill now in the sober morning light.
[15:03] <CardinalFang> So, I'll get more eyes on what I have posted.
[15:10] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, thx
[15:11] <pitti> seb128: do you know who could look at bug 522897 ?
[15:11] <seb128> pitti, slomo?
[15:12] <seb128> pitti, I'm waiting for the freeze end to sync new gstreamer stack from debian
[15:12] <seb128> pitti, assign it to me if you want I will deal with testing after sync and asking slomo if required
[15:12] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[15:12] <seb128> np
[15:12]  * pitti crosses fingers that this ddeb run will finally wor
[15:12] <pitti> k
[15:14] <seb128> pitti, do you know when we are likely to unfreeze btw?
[15:15] <pitti> I don't, no; we got a kubuntu desktop rebuild an hour ago, so I guess we want to test this first
[15:26]  * kenvandine chuckles...
[15:26] <kenvandine> just crashed aquarius' router again :)
[15:27] <seb128> tseliot, alex doesn't seem opposed to change back tabs position but is busy, he said he would welcome somebody working on a patch though
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i could probably look at that if tseliot is busy
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> it could be a weekend thing ;)
[15:29] <tseliot> seb128: fantastic news :-) I can't promise anything but I might use my spare time (this is an oxymoron for me...) to do that. If chrisccoulson has more time, he's welcome to work on it
[15:30] <seb128> I think everybody there is busy so let's see who comes to do it first
[15:30]  * tseliot nods
[15:41] <nigelb> seb128: okay, I've finally pushed the rhythmbox branch with all the corrections :)
[15:41] <seb128> nigelb, thanks
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> wow, there are still cakes left here. i might have to take some home with me :)
[16:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nobody said "all you can eat _today and here_", after all :)
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> i think i got too much food ;)
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> tedg - when libappindicator uses a fallback GtkStatusIcon, is it hiding the icon before unreffing it? or does it just unref it without hiding it first?
[16:42] <tedg> chrisccoulson: I'm not sure, I'm betting it just unrefs.  Is that causing an issue?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> tedg - yes
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> it leaves space behind in the notification area, which causes unsightly gaps to appear, and grow for the life of the session
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> it's really a notification area bug, but other apps work around this by hiding it before unreffing it
[16:43] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Okay, I can fix that.
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> tedg - awesome, thanks :)
[16:43] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Though, it might discourage people from using the notification area ;)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> tedg - bug 526041 FYI (sorry about the misleading title, people are confusing multiple issues in the same report)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> but that contains a screenshot of the issue
[16:50] <slomo> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611101
[16:51] <slomo> seb128: fixes your codec installer bug
[16:51] <seb128> slomo, thanks!
[16:51] <seb128> slomo, btw do you know about bug #522897
[16:51] <seb128> ?
[16:52] <slomo> seb128: i'll apply that patch to the debian totem package when i'm updating it to 2.29.91 (today or tomorrow), you might want to add it to the ubuntu package too
[16:52] <seb128> slomo, it might be fixed in the updates I didn't sync yet
[16:52] <slomo> no, last time i tried this worked :)
[16:52] <seb128> slomo, yeah I will
[16:52] <slomo> but that was 1-2 months ago... better forward that upstream :)
[16:53] <seb128> I will install the updates first and do that if that's still buggy
[16:53] <seb128> thanks
[16:53] <slomo> nothing related to that changed between .2 and .3 (you already have .2?)
[16:54] <seb128> just for gst + base
[16:54] <slomo> oh ok
[16:57] <slomo> seb128: do you know of any other bad gstreamer related bugs?
[16:57] <seb128> not that I know about no
[16:57] <seb128> good work ;-)
[16:57] <slomo> great :)
[16:57] <slomo> thanks
[17:24] <Ng> does the indicator applet stuff support tooltips?
[17:25] <Ng> or do I need to shrug off the oppressive yoke of my habit of using gnome-power-manager's tooltip to know what my remaining uptime is? :)
[17:25] <seb128> no
[17:25] <seb128> it's a menu
[17:26] <Ng> it's a widget, so it *could* have tooltips if it wanted, but whatever. I just think it's worth mentioning that it's now quite inconvenient to find out how many minutes of battery you have left
[17:27] <seb128> how complicated is it to click?
[17:29] <Ng> seb128: I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it's two clicks and then scrolling down the list of battery attributes to see the time remaining
[17:29] <seb128> it should be an unsensitve label in the menu
[17:30] <seb128> not a submenu
[17:30] <Ng> I agree, that would be very fine :)
[17:30] <seb128> file a bug
[17:45] <pitti> Ng: or press the battery Fn key
[17:56] <seb128> kenvandine, there?
[17:57] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[17:57] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[17:57] <kenvandine> just filing crasher bugs against the music store :)
[17:57] <seb128> kenvandine, want me to look at the dx updates?
[17:58] <kenvandine> seb128, i can do it...
[17:58] <seb128> ok, as you want
[17:58] <kenvandine> i thought there wasn't any this week :)
[17:58] <kenvandine> seb128, if you have the time... having help is great!
[17:58] <kenvandine> :)
[17:58] <seb128> I already got 2 merge proposal from ted
[17:58] <kenvandine> but i don't want to keep you from more important stuff
[17:58] <kenvandine> are we free to upload now?
[17:59] <seb128> kenvandine, I will do the pending ones, not yet but I queue things for after freeze
[17:59] <seb128> I've some 20 minutes before sport and dinner
[17:59] <seb128> I will do the one ted sent
[17:59] <kenvandine> seb128, cool... grab the ones you have then :)
[17:59] <kenvandine> thx
[17:59] <seb128> and upload later
[17:59] <seb128> np
[18:00] <pitti> rickspencer3, seb128: anything you need me to do still before I stroll away for a long nice weekend without any computers? :-)
[18:00] <rickspencer3> pitti, no, thanks
[18:01] <seb128> pitti, no, enjoy the break!
[18:02] <pitti> cool, then I'll disappear for a bit to cook dinner
[18:02] <pitti> seb128: thanks, I'm sure I will
[18:21] <seb128> sport and dinner
[18:21] <seb128> be back later
[18:38] <chrisccoulson> good evening everyone
[18:39] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy the break pitti
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[18:41] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson ;)
[18:41] <didrocks> dinner time
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> enjoy ;)
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i'm going to eat dinner tonight
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> i ate so much at work
[18:41] <didrocks> cake… ;)
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, way too much of it ;)
[20:29] <hyperair> asac_: network-manager 0.8-0ubuntu4~nmt4~karmic seems incapable of using karmic's dhclient.
[20:29] <mvo_> rickspencer3: hi, do you happen to know if simple-scan is on par with features with xsane? does it support the fax and similar stuff? I ask because I'm currently in a discussion if u-m should automatically remove apps like xsane that were in the default install but are no longer (and got demoted to universe)
[20:30] <hyperair> asac_: my syslog shows dhclient printing a usage message
[20:30] <mvo_> (or someone else familiar with scanning?)
[20:33] <hyperair> asac_: this thread says it all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8878195
[20:43] <mvo_> seb128: wb
[20:43] <mvo_> seb128: and sure enough I have a question :)
[20:43] <mvo_> seb128: hi, do you happen to know if simple-scan is on par with features with xsane? does it support the fax and similar stuff? I ask because I'm currently in a discussion if u-m should automatically remove apps like xsane that were in the default install but are no longer (and got demoted to universe)
[20:44] <seb128> mvo_, no it doesn't
[20:44] <seb128> mvo_, and it's not meant to be I think
[20:44] <seb128> mvo_, hey ;-)
[20:44] <mvo_> well, this make this discussion a bit harder for me then :/
[20:46] <seb128> mvo_, where, with you do you argue?
[20:46] <seb128> mvo_, we sort of had the discussion with pidgin and empathy previous cycle
[20:46] <asac_> huats: known. use dhcp 4.1.1 or downgrade until we inject that in the ppa
[20:46] <asac_> huats: unping ... that was for hyperair
[20:47] <mvo_> seb128: right, in a ideal world where we have upgrade pathes and equal featues its a no-brainer
[20:47] <mvo_> but in reality its a bit more complicated
[20:47] <huats> asac_, no pb
[20:47] <huats> hello btw alex :)
[20:49] <asac> hi ;)
[20:49] <mvo_> seb128: bug #518856
[20:52] <mvo_> seb128: what was the outcome of the discussion btw?
[20:53] <seb128> mvo_, that getting upgrades right is hard and that we do the bare minimal acceptable job but nothing great :p
[20:54] <seb128> mvo_, joke aside that we lack mechanism to handle that correctly
[20:54] <seb128> that being true for applications and user settings
[20:55] <seb128> my view is that we should not remove those but have the computer-janitor or something making suggestions of things to clean
[20:55] <seb128> like list both simple-scan and xscan with buttons to try both and saying "we recommend uninstalling this one if the other one fits your needs"
[20:56] <seb128> but I'm not sure other people would agree and that's not lucid material
[20:56]  * mvo_ nods
[20:56] <mvo_> yeah, making computer-janitor better is maybe the best way
[20:57] <mvo_> or improving u-m, but then who cares about xsane/simple-scan during a big ugprade
[20:57] <mvo_> yeah, thanks for your thoughts
[20:57] <seb128> I would just not remove those during upgrade and get some "do you want to learn about the new experience" after upgrade
[20:57] <mvo_> I think we need to discuss it at a uds and put some real effort behind it
[20:57] <seb128> which would open something which explain what changed and let you ie reset your look and feel to be default ubuntu one
[20:57]  * mvo_ nods
[20:58] <mvo_> yeah, so a framework for this
[20:58] <seb128> or see difference between softwares and let you decide if you want to clean the deprecated one
[21:03] <mvo_> seb128: *nod* - btw #501692 is something I see during hardy->lucid upgrades
[21:03] <mvo_> bug #501692
[21:04]  * mvo_ needs to go to bed
[21:05] <seb128> mvo_, 'night
[21:05] <seb128> mvo_, no idea without debugging for this one
[21:05] <mvo_> ok
[21:31] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, hey, I seem to have removed my audio volume, any idea how to get it back?
[21:33] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Not sure how the indicator stuff starts up
[21:33] <TheMuso> I assume its an xdg desktop file but haven't looked.
[21:33] <seb128> it's not
[21:33] <seb128> the applet load the indicators installed
[21:33] <seb128> robert_ancell, is indicator-sound installed?
[21:33] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[21:34] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, I think I right clicked "remove" on it by accident the other day and can't find how to add it (it doesn't seem to be an applet, or a startup program)
[21:34] <seb128> you still have other indicators?
[21:34] <seb128> ie the message indicator one?
[21:35] <seb128> you might just want to put the indicator applet back in your config
[21:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, which config?
[21:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, the gnome-panel one
[21:38] <seb128> ie right click, add to gnome-pane, select notification applet there
[21:38] <seb128> gnome-panel
[21:38] <seb128> it's a "i" in a blue circle
[21:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, aha! That's going to confuse people :)
[21:39] <robert_ancell> thanks
[21:39] <seb128> np
[21:42] <seb128> robert_ancell, that also tells me you don't use the message indicator :p
[21:42] <seb128> you didn't notice that one was not there either
[21:42] <seb128> note that the same applet is used for applications too now
[21:42] <seb128> ie gnome-power-manager
[21:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, if you remove it the old power indicator appears.  I don't use the messaging menu though
[21:44] <seb128> ah right, appindicators fallback to notification area icons
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> huats - did you have something which needed sponsoring?
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> (i can't remember if you asked last night or not)
[21:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, same question for you ;-)
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[21:45] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> i've not got anything which needs sponsoring just yet. there's a g-c-c crash fix in bzr, but that can wait until i've done the new upstream version too
[21:45] <seb128> ok
[22:02] <kenvandine> seb128, still around?
[22:02] <kenvandine> can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu
[22:03] <kenvandine> acl problem... still
[22:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[22:03] <kenvandine> thx
[22:03] <seb128> kenvandine, "still around" is rather "just back"
[22:03] <kenvandine> hehe
[22:03] <seb128> and I will be around for a while still
[22:03]  * kenvandine has to go feed the kids
[22:03] <seb128> watching olympics games on tv
[22:03] <seb128> with the laptop near
[22:03] <kenvandine> will be back in a couple hours when they are in bed
[22:03] <kenvandine> :)
[22:04] <seb128> kenvandine, have fun!
[23:22] <Ng> pitti: that's a good point if you have such a key, and I do, but for some reason i always went for the tooltip
[23:42] <huats> chrisccoulson, thanks for your help for sponsoring
[23:42] <huats> I amwaiting for a sponsoring on pessulus and one on deskbar-applet


[00:13] <mup> PR snapd#10559 closed: many: move to go modules  <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10559>


[00:05] <Hey__> can anyone point me to an article on how to use maas to deploy windows images?
[13:08] <mup> Bug #1755807 opened: [2.4, b1, pod] Adding a pod via the API shouldn't require zone to be specifi <pod> <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755807>
[13:50] <mup> Bug #1755815 opened: [2.4, b1] When creating a KVM pod with a tag (e.g. kvm), it doesn't automatically create the virtual tag <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755815>
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1755829 opened: [2.4, UI, b1] Adding pods via UI is broken because of zone <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755829>
[15:32] <mup> Bug #1633399 changed: [Device Discovery] Rename the action in the action button in Subnet details to Map <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633399>
[15:32] <mup> Bug #1633469 changed: [Subnets page, DD] Add a warning message when Active subnet mapping is disabled <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633469>
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1755903 opened: Non-terrestrial MAAS installations cannot integrate with NTP services <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755903>
[23:26] <studentz> MAAS: after deploying a Ubuntu node I found the next error in the Nodes -> Status  tab "Node post-installation failure - 'cloudinit' running modules for config". I can shh to the node without problem. I can install  software but I cannot "ping" from inside the node.  Any help is more than welcome and How I can debug this error. Thanks.


[03:55] <zerothis> I'm fully upgraded and working. just wanted to say thanks.
[03:58] <Unit193> \o/
[09:31] <atarifreak> hi there, anyone who knows whats up with lubuntu.org? and why is there lubuntu.me homepage?
[09:31] <atarifreak> on lubuntu.org there is no 16.04 update, but lubuntu.me is up to date :-?
[09:32] <Kiwikaki_> atarifreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[09:33] <atarifreak> Kiwikaki: I know how to get Lubuntu, I am just wondering, why there is no anoncement on lubuntu.org. Webmaster on vacation? :-)
[09:37] <Kiwikaki_> Ahh ok. Sorry.
[11:22] <from_paris> Hello, can I get some help?
[12:02] <wudu> hi
[12:04] <wudu> I'm currently running 14.04 lubuntu and want to upgrade to 16.04. But do-release-upgrade just tells me that there is no new release. How comes?
[12:38] <Kiwikaki_> wudu: An upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS is not possible. You have to wait for the first point release (16.04.1)
[12:39] <wudu> Oh, ok. Thanks
[13:34] <Gjax> I am having some issues with the raspberry pi flavor.
[13:34] <Gjax> There isnt enough space at /boot to upgrade to 16.04
[15:07] <Gjax> anyone?
[15:49] <teward> Gjax: i don't think the RPi flavor was designed with upgrading in mind - depending on how big the SDCard is you could theoretically move and resize your partitions on the SDCard to give /boot more space
[15:57] <ArminiusMATE> Hello
[16:40] <Gjax> well there is 32M free at /boot
[16:40] <Gjax> the ubuntu flavor image did create the size of the /boot i just downloaded the image and copied to a sd card
[17:57] <ioria> hi, anyone has problem with light-locker on 16.04  ? tx
[18:03] <n-iCe> W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[18:03] <n-iCe> any idea?
[18:03] <n-iCe> after aot-get update
[18:06] <ioria> n-iCe, seems a bug
[18:06] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1558331
[18:08] <n-iCe> oh
[18:09] <n-iCe> Don't see a solution there, do you ioria ?
[18:10] <surfn> hi
[18:10] <surfn> I have a Network unclaimed
[18:10] <surfn> can someone help me through this...
[18:12] <n-iCe> network unclaimed?
[18:12] <surfn> yeah, I installed a PCI card and I can't use it
[18:12] <surfn> sudo lshw -numeric -C network
[18:12] <n-iCe> 'Unclaimed' typically means no driver has attached to it
[18:13] <n-iCe> 16.04?
[18:13] <surfn> yeah, so what do I do to get a driver attached?
[18:13] <ioria> n-iCe, nope ...weird it says 'Fix released'
[18:13] <surfn> yeah fresh instal 16.04
[18:14] <surfn> I clicked additional drivers
[18:14] <n-iCe> and
[18:15] <surfn> and I installed the Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA...
[18:15] <n-iCe> did you reboot?
[18:15] <surfn> I did indeed
[18:15] <surfn> I'll reboot again for shits and giggles
[18:17] <surfn> yep, rebooted.
[18:17] <surfn> same thing
[18:17] <surfn> still unclaimed
[18:18] <n-iCe> ok
[18:18] <n-iCe> are you sure it is installed? you see the green dot/bal
[18:18] <n-iCe> ball
[18:20] <surfn> there's like a ball with a line over it and a box...
[18:20] <n-iCe> is it green?
[18:20] <n-iCe> means it is installed
[18:20] <surfn> color blind
[18:20] <surfn> one sec
[18:20] <n-iCe> then is not installed
[18:20] <n-iCe> must be like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/lNmbc.png
[18:20] <n-iCe> green
[18:21] <n-iCe> uninstall, and reinstall.
[18:21] <surfn> one sec... doesn't look like that uploading a pic
[18:22] <n-iCe> well, like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/CV4K8.png
[18:26] <surfn> like this: http://imgur.com/kABiGuj
[18:27] <surfn> n-iCe: see, that's different
[18:27] <surfn> I'm colorblind... so I had to post it
[18:27] <surfn> I can take another pic if you want...
[18:28] <n-iCe> oh ok
[18:28] <n-iCe> does your laptop has a phisical wifi buttom?
[18:28] <surfn> it;s a desktop...
[18:28] <surfn> it's PCI
[18:28] <n-iCe> ok
[18:29] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:29] <n-iCe> what does it say
[18:30] <n-iCe> connect the pc using ethernet of course, you will need internet.
[18:30] <surfn> bcmwl-kernel-source is already the newest version
[18:30] <surfn> yeah...
[18:30] <n-iCe> ok
[18:31] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:31] <n-iCe> first, sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter
[18:31] <n-iCe> to make sure they are installed
[18:31] <n-iCe> if so, remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:31] <surfn> ok, they are installed
[18:31] <surfn> do the remove line?
[18:31] <surfn> sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:31] <n-iCe> yes pls
[18:32] <surfn> removed
[18:32] <n-iCe> awesome, now: sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:32] <n-iCe> and after that is done type sudo modprobe wl to load the file
[18:33] <surfn> I just had to disable secureboot
[18:35] <surfn> it won't let me enter my password
[18:35] <n-iCe> why
[18:35] <surfn> looks like it froze me out... hold
[18:38] <surfn> modprobe error: could not insert 'wl'
[18:38] <surfn> required key not available
[18:38] <surfn> ok... how do I turn off secureboot
[18:39] <surfn> is that right? do I need to turn off secureboot?
[18:39] <n-iCe> have never used uefi secure boots and those things
[18:39] <n-iCe> no idea, why would you
[18:40] <surfn> I just did the modprobe line
[18:40] <surfn> and it says
[18:40] <surfn> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'wl': Required key not available
[18:41] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic-lts-xenial
[18:42] <surfn> I should do that?
[18:42] <n-iCe> yes
[18:42] <surfn> done
[18:42] <n-iCe> was installed already?
[18:42] <surfn> 1 newly installed
[18:43] <n-iCe> again, sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:43] <n-iCe> is it installed already?
[18:43] <surfn> remove it first?
[18:43] <surfn> oh
[18:43] <n-iCe> yes, remove, then reinstall
[18:44] <surfn> it was installed... I'm removing now
[18:44] <surfn> installing now
[18:45] <surfn> modprobe same thing
[18:45] <n-iCe> ok
[18:45] <surfn> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'wl': Required key not available
[18:45] <n-iCe> By Googleing "Required key not available", most reads do seem to point to the "Secure Boot" thing as the problem when trying to load an "unsigned" kernel module. The only fixes I read were what evilbastard already posted, to turn off secure boot in the firmware (bios).
[18:46] <n-iCe> found that.
[18:46] <n-iCe> so yes, turn secure boot off in your bios
[18:46] <surfn> ok, I'll do that... completely off
[18:46] <surfn> one min
[18:46] <n-iCe> ok
[18:51] <surfn> dude
[18:51] <surfn> you are the man.
[18:51] <surfn> assuming you are a man.
[18:51] <surfn> but YOU da-man
[18:51] <n-iCe> so it works!
[18:51] <surfn> it works.
[18:52] <n-iCe> great!
[18:52] <surfn> can I buy you a coffee?
[18:52] <n-iCe> hehe
[18:52] <surfn> I'll PM you...
[18:52] <surfn> accept
[18:52] <n-iCe> hehe, we just help to learn.
[18:52] <n-iCe> not for mey
[18:52] <n-iCe> money
[18:52] <n-iCe> I have get a lot of help here too.
[18:53] <n-iCe> :)
[19:25] <rower_> hello
[19:25] <rower_> a question
[19:25] <rower_> with Lubuntu is is possible to test it?
[19:26] <rower_> and to boot with it ?
[19:27] <rower_> bye
[22:57] <Zara_> Bonsoir,
[22:58] <n-iCe> hi
[22:58] <Zara_> Je viens d'installer la nouvelle version de Lubuntu sur deux PC différents et sur les deux pc le logiciel Phatch ne demarre pas.
[22:58] <Unit193> !fr | Zara_
[22:59] <Zara_> ok
[22:59] <Zara_> sorry
[23:00] <Zara_> I just installed the new version of LUbuntu on two different PCs and on both pc Phatch the software does not start.
[23:01] <Zara_> by Google traduction
[23:01] <n-iCe> comment avez-vous l'installer ?
[23:03] <n-iCe> comment avez-vous l'installer ?
[23:04] <Zara__> https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/phatch
[23:04] <Zara__> paquet
[23:05] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install phatch
[23:07] <Zara__> meme chose
[23:08] <n-iCe> works here
[23:08] <n-iCe> travaille ici
[23:09] <Zara__> how?
[23:10] <krytarik> Zara__: LP bug 1538906.
[23:13] <Zara__>  What should I do?
[23:20] <n-iCe> Zara__: wait for a fix
[23:21] <Zara__> ok
[23:21] <Zara__> thank you
[23:23] <krytarik> Zara__: Keep in mind that it's unmaintained for a few years now though.