[11:57] <acicula> prov: install the deb package via de package manager that provides the dependency
[11:58] <IdleOne> CloudLevi: are you also running compiz at the same time?
[11:58] <elie-m> but seriously, some1 has to find a freakin solution to the annoying PARTIAL UPDATE
[11:58] <CloudLevi> idleone: Huh? Compiz?
[11:58] <IdleOne> CloudLevi: ok guess not :)
[11:58] <acicula> prov: which probably requires you to remove the stuff you installed via make install first
[11:58] <BlueEagle> cloudlevi: You know, "desktop effects"
[11:58] <CloudLevi> ...Probably
[11:58] <elie-m> compiz is not running fine with me
[11:58] <elie-m> on ubuntu
[11:59] <BlueEagle> cloudlevi: Does your windows look pretty when you move and open them and stuff?
[11:59] <prov> acicula: What do you mean, "via de package manager that provides the dependency?"
[11:59] <elie-m> I'm trying hard with it, but it just wont work
[11:59] <elie-m> I get multiple warnings
[11:59] <CloudLevi> BlueEagle: Like zooming and transparency? Yeah
[12:00] <Kream> Hi all. apologies if this is OT but is rails installed when I install ubuntu's ruby1.8 package ?
[12:00] <BlueEagle> cloudlevi: Well, that uses quite a bit of resources and is known to not play nice with Wine all the time.
[12:00] <CloudLevi> BlueEagle: It's not a problem...I didn't like the game anyway. Dumb of me to have downloaded it after getting Linux =/
[12:00] <acicula> prov: ubuntu uses the deb format and a package manager to provide programs, so if you miss a dependency you need to install it via a deb, ie via apt-get/aptittude(same thing) or via add/remove programs(GUI). JUst make install on source will provide the program but not solve the missing dependencies in the package manager
[12:00] <acicula> !deb
[12:00] <Vhozard> BlueEagle Yeah, windows look pretty
[12:00] <IdleOne> CloudLevi: try disabling the desktop effects in System > Appearances menu then run tremulous to see if it improves
[12:00] <CloudLevi> BlueEagle: Eh? Oh...no...the Tremulous problem is totally separate. That was Trem for Linux...crashed me...and the StarCraft thing...the installer just plain doesn't -RESPOND- ><
[12:00] <BlueEagle> cloudlevi: Not as dumb as pissing off the people in here whom you may need to depend upon for help later, but that's another story.
[12:01] <prov> acicula: Is it safe to add a repository in an updated ubuntu to an outdated python (I have 2.6)? Are there deb repositories for python 2X?
[12:01] <hiexpo> you don't bite the hand that feeds you
[12:01] <brianherman_home> Does virtual box work better than vmware?
[12:01] <prov> acicula: Will it remove 2.6?
[12:01] <acicula> prov: apt-cache search is your friend, ubuntu ships with 2.5,2.6 and 3.1,3.2 binaries i think
[12:01] <lalalol> !ca
[12:02]  * tatsel has no idea about Vbox <=> Vmware
[12:02] <brianherman_home> !virtualbox
[12:02] <Vhozard> CloudLevi you can run ¨metacity --replace¨ if you run compiz, to make it faster
[12:02] <Vhozard> Vbox and Vmware are the same
[12:02] <acicula> prov: no if packages are numbered, ie python2.5, python2.6, python3.0 etc they can be installed side by side
[12:02] <Q_Continuum> Why is Rythmbox ripping audio CDs so slowly now?  Where can I check what speed its ripping at?  (9.10)
[12:03] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Speed isn't the issue... It just won't start...
[12:03] <acicula> prov: obviously only one points to /usr/bin/python, but you can probably set a default via update-alternatives
[12:03] <elie-m> rythmbox in my opinion sux
[12:03] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: It zombies the instant I load it up
[12:03] <Vhozard> CloudLevi What error(s) does it give?
[12:03] <acicula> elie-m: file suggestions on how to improve it ;)
[12:03] <elie-m> ubuntu must find a replacement
[12:03] <zombie_soldier> elie-m what audio player do you use
[12:03] <BlueEagle> q_continuum: What is different in your system now from when it was ripping faster?
[12:03] <prov> acicula: If ubuntu 10.04 ships with python 2.5 then why do I need to do this?
[12:04] <acicula> elie-m: launchpad, blueprints, forums are probably good places to bring such issues up
[12:04] <prov> acicula: Why does gdebi complain?
[12:04] <acicula> prov: why do you need what
[12:04] <prov> acicula: Python 2.5 for makehuman.
[12:04] <acicula> prov: gdebi complains because you did not install a dependency
[12:04] <WXZ> ubuntu can't connect to my internet after I ran update manager, how do I fix this?
[12:04] <prov> acicula: I have Python 2.6 and it wants 2.5.
[12:04] <acicula> WXZ: did you update to lucid beta?
[12:05] <acicula> prov: apt-get install python2.5 ?
[12:05] <elie-m> zombie_soldier i use VLC and Songbird
[12:05] <WXZ> I just ran update manager and installed all the packages
[12:05] <tatsel> O.O
[12:05] <WXZ> so I'm not sure if yes or no
[12:05] <WXZ> I installed 9.10
[12:05] <IdleOne> WXZ: what does lsb_release -a tell you?
[12:05] <CloudLevi> !wine
[12:05] <WXZ> I need a secondary computer to do this :s
[12:05] <WXZ> I'm logged in using windows
[12:06] <prov> acicula: "E: Package python2.5 has no installation candidate"
[12:06] <CloudLevi> that was pointless
[12:06] <IdleOne> WXZ: ahh ok
[12:06] <prov> acicula: from apt-get install
[12:06] <WXZ> one second
[12:06] <prov> acicula: That is what it said to me.
[12:06] <zombie_soldier> elie-m do either of those have a descent visualization, movie player and rythem box have them but both are buggy as hell on my system
[12:06] <elie-m> VLC is the best at playing anything
[12:06] <acicula> prov: what ubuntu version are you using? lsb_release -a
[12:06] <elie-m> and songbird is basically Itune like
[12:07] <brianherman_hom1> ellie-m: Is Songbird dropping their linux support? Whats the deal?
[12:07] <elie-m> I read something abt that but I didnt have time to read all
[12:07] <elie-m> so I cant say I know
[12:07] <prov> acicula:Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 2.
[12:07] <fuzzy> hi =)
[12:07] <hiexpo> !hi | fuzzy
[12:07] <IdleOne> prov: Please /join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[12:08] <fuzzy> uhm ive got a tiny annoying problem
[12:08] <elie-m> zombie_soldier I think u would be pleased with VLC with both audio and video
[12:08] <elie-m> tryi t
[12:08] <hiexpo> !ask | fuzzy
[12:08] <Consul_Falx> !songbird
[12:08] <fuzzy> lol
[12:08] <Consul_Falx> !ask | question
[12:08] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: i prefer Totem with the appropiate codecs instead of VLC, VLC is Qt, Totem is GTK, so Totem is better for GNOME
[12:08] <elie-m> but honestly I dont think anything from mozilla will drop support for linux
[12:09] <acicula> prov: seems it is obsoleted, anyway lucid support is in #ubuntu+1, furtherore it does appear to be dropped from lucid, but you can probably get away with fetchin the karmic debs and installing those instead. but best continue in #ubuntu+1
[12:09] <tatsel> at..?
[12:09] <fuzzy> well when i maximise a window it doesnt maximize all the way, its like theres a panel there but there doesnt seem to be
[12:09] <tatsel> poh, nevermind, scrolldown failure
[12:09] <hiexpo> mozilla was built for linux its not going anywhere
[12:09] <Beyecixramd> elie-they did with Songbird...
[12:09] <Consul_Falx> Friction[laptop]: your vhost didn't applied on login
[12:09] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: btw, what a bloated piece of software (songbird)
[12:09] <Consul_Falx> apply
[12:09] <acicula> prov: also try updating to the latest rc instead, as the alpha is pretty dated by know(and broken probably)
[12:10] <elie-m> well maybe.. I use vlc more
[12:10] <elie-m> but songbird is alongside vlc so meh
[12:10] <prov> acicula: Thank you for your help. I will take that advice. Bye.
[12:11] <elie-m> there's alwayz plenty of software to use :P
[12:11] <Vhozard> songbird = no more linux support
[12:11] <WXZ> the internet seems to be working right now
[12:11] <Q_Continuum> BlueEagle, nothing.  Some updates to 9.10 - ripping a pile of CDs today they're taking forever
[12:11] <WXZ> but that doesn't mean a lot, this has happened before
[12:11] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: if you want an iTunes-like interface, try out aTunes, uses Java, but it's pretty cool, and skinnable...
[12:11] <hiexpo> amzing whata reboot can do
[12:11] <Q_Continuum> BlueEagle, as in like 35+ minutes on a CoreDuo laptop while plugged in
[12:11] <elie-m> what I care about is making world of warcraft run 90% on linux and I would be happy
[12:12] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: WoW is platinum on Wine...
[12:12] <elie-m> define platinum
[12:12] <acicula> awesomeness without compiling and codeedtting
[12:13] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: basically, what acicula says. Runs at more than 90% of its Windows performance on Linux. You only need to run it in OpenGL mode
[12:13] <elie-m> i did that
[12:13] <mopperwhite> My teacher asked me to write something about life.
[12:13] <elie-m> today I updated the graphics drivers from intel, so I could run world of warcraft and it ran with opengl
[12:14] <elie-m> but it crashes me on 1 char
[12:14] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: witha decent video card and the appropiate drivers in Linux, it should run perfectly, i saw that
[12:14] <elie-m> and works fine on the other
[12:14] <mopperwhite> I am getting nervous.
[12:14] <acicula> elie-m: other?
[12:14] <visof> where is .bashrc for root user ?
[12:14] <bazhang> mopperwhite, that's offtopic for here
[12:14] <acicula> visof: /root
[12:14] <tatsel> !ot | mopperwhite
[12:14] <elie-m> beyecixramd: yes I have no doubt about that. I trying on my own laptop
[12:15] <elie-m> acicula: other character
[12:15] <acicula> ah
[12:15] <fuzzy> can you help me? When i maximise a window it doesnt maximize all the way, its like theres a panel there but there doesnt seem to be.
[12:15] <CloudLevi> idleone: Looks like I have to downgrade Wine =_=;;;;
[12:15] <CloudLevi> idleone: Or-
[12:15]  * tatsel needs to talk to ubottu's coder about that  | function
[12:15] <airtonix> elie, i doubt you'll have much fun without a dedicated graphics card
[12:15] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: what's the problem then? Blizzard spends a lot of developers in making WoW work in Linux (at least with Wine)
[12:15] <acicula> idunno, intel stuff is kind of useless still, nvidia/ati drivers are much better in that respect
[12:15] <visof> i can't use su in ubuntu
[12:15] <acicula> re supportin opengl and all that good stuff
[12:15] <airtonix> Beyecixramd, no they actually dont.
[12:15] <tatsel> visof: use sudo
[12:15] <elie-m> blizzard isnt doing anything for linux
[12:16] <Beyecixramd> airtonix: yep, Blizzard, Codeweavers, Canonical, Red Hat, Novell,
[12:16] <tatsel> elie-m: at least WoW works
[12:16] <zombie_soldier> elie-m can you get visualizations for vlc
[12:16] <Beyecixramd> airtonix: and let's not forget ID Software
[12:16] <elie-m> acicula: I agree but with the new intel drivers (as of 30-3-2010) wow can work decently on linux
[12:16] <tatsel> so Starcraft and Diablo does
[12:16] <airtonix> Beyecixramd, no really they do nothing for linux. show me proof.
[12:16] <elie-m> but I cant know why it crashes on the other
[12:17] <acicula> elie-m: different effects used maybe?
[12:17] <tatsel> elie-m try installing them from PlayOnLinux
[12:17] <acicula> elie-m: you can run wine in debug mode to find out
[12:17] <Beyecixramd> airtonix: they all contribute to Wine and 3D accelerated games
[12:17] <visof> can i know the changes that occured in some files?
[12:17] <airtonix> Beyecixramd, proof ?
[12:17] <elie-m> acicula: how to
[12:17] <CloudLevi> tatsel: ???
[12:17] <visof> hist ?
[12:17] <tatsel> elie-m: and remember to turn compiz off when using Wine.
[12:17] <Beyecixramd> airtonix: can't give you proof, search on the Internerdz
[12:17] <elie-m> beyecixramd: blizzard doesnt
[12:17] <acicula> elie-m: --debug +stuff, man wine ;)
[12:17] <tatsel> clarkb: ?
[12:17] <tatsel> ergh
[12:17] <airtonix> Beyecixramd, then they dont.
[12:17] <tatsel> Sorry clark
[12:18] <tatsel> CloudLevi: hm?
[12:18] <CloudLevi> tatsel: Play On Linux???
[12:18] <elie-m> tatsel: compiz doesnt even work. it gives me many warnings
[12:18] <tatsel> CloudLevi: yes. <
[12:18] <tatsel> elie-m: O.O
[12:18] <CloudLevi> tatsel: I don't suppose I'd be able to do something about SC2 with that
[12:19] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: there you have it, either your card or your drivers suck. Compiz should work perfectly since it's a native linux program
[12:19] <tatsel> CloudLevi: Beta is Beta
[12:19] <elie-m> yea.. I dont like that, because I like compiz.. I can't resolve the warnings. I googled much about the issues
[12:19] <CloudLevi> tatsel: ...What about it? >>;
[12:19] <airtonix> elie-m, without a dedicated graphics card that has decent gpu with its own 'fast' ram, you won't be able to do much in wow if you can't even get compiz running.
[12:19] <CloudLevi> tatsel: I have the beta installer.
[12:19] <tatsel> CloudLevi: besides, Linux is a Comunity, it takes time for such kind of support to be added
[12:19] <CloudLevi> tatsel: Wha...?
[12:19] <elie-m> airtonix: I have intel graphics card up to 1759 MB
[12:20] <cretsiah> im trying to use xrdp on ubuntu so i can use windows rdesktop but all i get is a blackscreen
[12:20] <tatsel> CloudLevi: and since this is the beta, first, I must admit I am jaleous :D
[12:20] <airtonix> elie-m, ie: with an nvidia 8800gt, i can raid wow sarth 3d while using compiz.
[12:20] <CloudLevi> tatsel: I don't even know what Play On Linux is... ><;;; also I'm not -IN- the beta. x_X; I just have the program...
[12:20] <airtonix> elie-m, no a graphics card with ITS OWN ram. not shared from system.
[12:20] <tatsel> CloudLevi: second: You will have better luck with the final game.
[12:20] <elie-m> airtonix: I understood u, but it has enough ram to work :S
[12:21] <airtonix> elie, not on linux it doesnt
[12:21] <CloudLevi> tatsel: I'll have more luck on Windows =-=;;; *stores the installer away, flips off Wine, and goes about his business*
[12:21] <elie-m> airtonic: really?! doesnt it take from the RAM space
[12:21] <elie-m> airtonix: really?! doesnt it take from the RAM space
[12:21] <Vhozard> CloudLevi what are trying to play? sc2?
[12:21] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: the RAM doesn't matter, what matters most is the engine of the graphics card. There's no profit on having up to 8 Gb of RAM in the gfx card if it doesn't do 3D accel (for example)
[12:21] <tatsel> CloudLevi: but as I saud earlier, PlayOnLinux is a more user-friendly interface to Wine, and it configures wine to works a lot easier
[12:21] <airtonix> elie-m, on my setup with 4gb of system ram and the nvidia 8800gt with 512mb of its own ram i still only got around 32fps during raids.
[12:22] <CloudLevi> tatsel: Ubuntu is cool and all but really...this machine isn't even WORTH the frustrati- What is it a patch or something?
[12:22] <elie-m> hmmm
[12:22] <Salva1> Does Ubuntu 9.10 uses an I686 Kernel by default?
[12:22] <CloudLevi> vhozard: Yeah...
[12:22] <airtonix> elie-m, and thats with a core2duo e6550
[12:22] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: It zombies every time I boot the installer EXE
[12:22] <Salva1> I am refering to the 32-bit version.-
[12:22] <tatsel> !wiki Playonlinyx ! CloudLevi
[12:22] <airtonix> elie-m, so if you really dont want to buy new hardware, just use windows for wow.
[12:22] <tatsel> !wiki Playonlinyx
[12:22] <elie-m> the thing is that it is awesome on windows.. I thought it would be the same on ubuntu
[12:22] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: SURE it boots up but it zombies the second it -does- DX
[12:22] <tatsel> ._.
[12:22] <Beyecixramd> no Salva1, Ubuntu will be using a i386 kernel for a long time...
[12:22] <Vhozard> CloudLevi installed wine from winHQ repos?
[12:22] <tatsel> !wiki Playonlinux
[12:23] <IdleOne> !games | CloudLevi tatsel
[12:23] <tatsel> hm
[12:23] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Installed it with the software manager
[12:23] <IdleOne> tatsel: there is no !wiki module
[12:23] <tatsel> Oh
[12:23] <airtonix> elie-m, thing is you're not using the same graphics backend and you're not using the same gpu driver.
[12:23] <tatsel> ok, sorry
[12:23] <IdleOne> tatsel: np
[12:23] <tatsel> !google PlayonLinux
[12:23] <Vhozard> CloudLevi http://images.hardwareinfo.net/usersys/benchmarks/005380-2.jpg
[12:23] <skizorager> hi all, is there a solution to preview .cr2 file (cannon photo file) thumbnails in dolphin ?
[12:23] <IdleOne> tatsel: or !google
[12:23] <tatsel> ._.
[12:23] <tatsel> I see
[12:23] <elie-m> airtonix I left windows for wow, but I'm trying real hard to end the dependency on it
[12:23] <Vhozard> CloudLevi sorry, wrong link: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[12:24] <visof> can i show modification for the files ?
[12:24] <Salva1> Will the amd64 one will be more fast than the I686?
[12:24] <airtonix> elie-m, then play aion.
[12:24] <skiwithpete> hi
[12:24] <elie-m> I dont want anything to do with windows :P
[12:24] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: What was -that-?
[12:24] <tatsel> CloudLevi: http://playonlinux.com
[12:24] <airtonix> elie-m, in any case you'r not going to have much fun with your current setup.
[12:24] <elie-m> yeah
[12:24] <skiwithpete> I've installed 10.04RC.  Can someone help me setup my mic
[12:24] <Vhozard> CloudLevi Check the 2nd link :D first link is from another msn conversation :o
[12:24] <acicula> Salva1: faster no,better yes
[12:24] <acicula> skiwithpete: see topic, #ubuntu+1
[12:25] <Salva1> What do You mean by better?
[12:25] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: and what was it? o_O
[12:25] <aar> Hi, is it possible to ask grep to get the output AFTER an expression (without including the expression itself). I want to get the PDF title (using extract) but I don't want the expression "title:" in front of it.
[12:25] <tatsel> IdleOne: Do you know who is ubottu's coder?
[12:25] <Vhozard> CloudLevi An old 3dmark06 test of mine
[12:25] <CloudLevi> elie-m: Neither do I but Ubuntu is just so FRUSTRATING DX
[12:25] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Interesting o-o
[12:25] <acicula> Salva1: better security, bigger numbers, its all a bit technical, but it wont make (most) stuff go faster
[12:25] <skiwithpete> thanks acicula
[12:25] <elie-m> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[12:25] <elie-m> xset q doesn't reveal the location of the log file. Using fallback /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:26] <elie-m> that's what I get among others when I start compiz
[12:26] <elie-m> WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported!  This is an application bug!
[12:27] <Vhozard> CloudLevi Cant you dualboot win 7?
[12:27] <Salva1> Also; Why does Ubuntu does not use an I686 kernel?
[12:27] <Salva1> Even Debian uses it?
[12:27] <Salva1> .
[12:27] <geekphreak> hello all
[12:27] <elie-m> dualbooting win7 and ubuntu is pretty easy
[12:27] <elie-m> and decent
[12:27] <acicula> Salva1: eh?
[12:27] <acicula> Salva1: oh you mean the 32bit kernel says i386 or something?
[12:28] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Can't get Win7...at least not in any reasonable timeframe. I had it, uninstalled it thinking it was ruined and unrecoverable, aaand now I am without an ISO or optical...
[12:28] <hiexpo> ------> geekphreak  - morning
[12:28] <IdleOne> tatsel: I am not sure sorry
[12:28] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: And the ISO torrent I used the first time is dead
[12:28] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: what joke of OS is Win7?
[12:28] <geekphreak> hiexpo: howdy
[12:28] <IdleOne> !bot > tatsel
[12:28] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: That and my comp is pathetic... I just need a new one is all
[12:28] <geekphreak> IdleOne: howdy :)
[12:29] <acicula> Salva1: oh like so, if you use a 64bit os that implies a 64bit kernel, i686 is a 32bit standard
[12:29] <elie-m> beyecixramd: every windows is a joke, but windows 7 is pretty much safe to say, is ery good
[12:29] <elie-m> very*
[12:29] <tatsel> IdleOne: :P thanks, but I am not looking for usage, but looking for the coder him/herself to have a little chat :D
[12:29] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: from what i've seen, Windows 7 is exactly like Vista, but with a fatter taskbar (btw, Windows 7 it's Nt 6.1, and Windows Vista is NT 6.0, soo...)
[12:30] <Salva1> Why does use the I386 instead of the I686?
[12:30] <elie-m> beyecixramd yes I noticed the versions
[12:30] <hiexpo> ya a virus
[12:30] <elie-m> beyecixramd: but no it's not like vist
[12:30] <acicula> Salva1: it does and it doesnt, modern kernels select the optium code path for an architecture
[12:30] <Beyecixramd> elie-m: sure it's like Vista...
[12:30] <elie-m> it's actually a LOT better.. no
[12:30] <acicula> Salva1: so an i386 will still use i686 code on an i686 capable proc, but also run on an i386
[12:31] <elie-m> I used vista for 2 years and I can assure u it's not vista
[12:31] <acicula> Salva1: reversely a i686 kernerl will not work on an i386
[12:31] <Vhozard> Beyecixramd Ehh, no, win 7 is NOT exactly vista
[12:31] <elie-m> it has better polished graphics with stolen effects from gnome gnu and it's very faster
[12:31] <tatsel> !ot elie-m Beyecixramd
[12:31] <Salva1> Thanks for clarifying that.
[12:31] <Beyecixramd> Vhozard: of course it's not *exactly* for god's sake, if it was exactly like Vista, Windows 7 won't be called 7, but Vista...
[12:31] <Vhozard> Beyecixramd Win 7 > vista
[12:31] <tatsel> !ot | elie-m Beyecixramd
[12:32] <tatsel> but yes, Seven > vista
[12:32] <Beyecixramd> lol Vhozard.... Linux > *windows*
[12:32] <Vhozard> Beyecixramd You said: 7 is vista, but with different taskbar
[12:32] <Vhozard> ehh, no
[12:32] <elie-m> vhazard: no
[12:32] <tatsel> Linux > Seven > V
[12:32] <elie-m> vhozard*
[12:32] <Vhozard> Windows > Mac > Linux > BSD/unix
[12:32] <Beyecixramd> Vhozard: and animated bootscreen, and some new sound themes and not much else
[12:32] <CloudLevi> Beyecixramd: He's right... Win7 is incompatible with certain Vista drivers...like my CD-rom and certain other pieces of my computer *sigh*... And yeah...Linux is... ... ...I have no idea... they're all horrible
[12:32] <elie-m> bye for now cya all later
[12:32] <acicula> can we stick to support questions and take the os discussion supremity to offtopic?
[12:32] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: I'm inclined to agree with you...
[12:33] <Beyecixramd> acicula: yes, better
[12:33] <linduxed> i was in the middle of a "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" but got hit by a battery shutdown
[12:33] <tatsel> !win
[12:33] <CloudLevi> lol...
[12:33] <tatsel> meh
[12:33] <tatsel> Missing
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> clear
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:33] <linduxed> so now ive got a kernel that i get kernel panic from in grub
[12:33] <Vhozard> If Linux gets decent new hardware support, games, elite application support: Linux >> Windows
[12:33] <tatsel> linduxed: :ouch:
[12:33] <linduxed> tatsel: yupp
[12:34] <acicula> linduxed: boot a livecd and chroot into your ubuntu and resume/restart the apt-get upgrade
[12:34] <linduxed> i've reverted to a kernel in grub
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> Vhozard: some developers deleop for linux now, hardware support i down to the hardware manufacturers, nvidia have supported linux for ages
[12:34] <linduxed> so i can get in without a problem
[12:34] <hiexpo> remove thatbad kernak and redo
[12:34] <acicula> oh then just restart the uprade from there then? this time on ac ;)
[12:34] <Vhozard> ActionParsnip Whats your point?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> Vhozard: it's already started happening, people just had their head in the windows sand too long
[12:35] <CloudLevi> ActionParsnip: Aaaand Sony not so much...*stomps his laptop, then stabs it with his sword*
[12:35] <tatsel> linduxed: they should add it: "Please plug in the sector adaptor if you are using a laptop computer or wait untill you can. Your battery may sudently be depleted due to intense CPU effort"
[12:35] <aar> Hi, I'm trying to extract a PDF title using the command "extract", but I don't want the word "title:" in front of it. How do I complete this: extract file.pdf | grep ...
[12:35] <Vhozard>  ActionParsnip Ofcourse its STARTED happening, but it isnt far enough
[12:35] <acicula> tatsel: it does say that when using te gui
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> Vhozard: look at ID software dude, doom source has been around ages
[12:35] <unop> aar,  grep -v "title:"
[12:36] <tatsel> acicula: \o/
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Vhozard: that sort of junk
[12:36] <Vhozard>  ActionParsnip So?
[12:36] <Vhozard>  ActionParsnip Not most major gaming businesses
[12:36] <linduxed> tatsel: well this was more of a true battery failure, it's apparently quite unreliable
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Vhozard: doom3 has a native installer, I'd say ID was a major gaming business
[12:36] <Vhozard>  ActionParsnip I said MOST
[12:37] <mede> hi, anyone knows how to work a scanner hp3670
[12:37] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: ... ...Well your link worked >>
[12:37] <hiexpo> !hp
[12:37] <Vhozard> mede Install a program called: xsane
[12:37] <mede> si
[12:37] <mede> yes
[12:37] <mede> scanjet 3670
[12:37] <tatsel> linduxed: You knew that before?
[12:37] <aar> unop, thanks, how do I tell grep to select the line that starts with "title -" but not include the expression "title -" in the output?
[12:37] <Vhozard> CloudLevi lol, it worked?
[12:37] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Without a living hell worth of insanity swarming around configuring and patching Wine, I have now managed to get SC2 up...
[12:38] <linduxed> tatsel: unfortunately not, not my laptop really
[12:38] <mede> I found on xsane and nothing
[12:38] <Vhozard> cool
[12:38] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: ...*waits for Windows Live installer to appear*
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> mede: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2564
[12:38] <unop> aar, grep wouldn't be able to do that - sed or awk could.   sed 's/title -//'
[12:38] <tatsel> linduxed: D'oh to the guy who hasn't specified
[12:38] <CloudLevi> nope...
[12:38] <hiexpo> hplip
[12:38] <Vhozard> mede Open Gnome-Terminal and type ¨sudo apt-get install xsane¨
[12:39] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: What's xsane do?
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> mede: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/linux-driver-for-hp-scanjet-3670-a-699555/
[12:40] <aar> unop, this seems to work fine: extract file.pdf |  grep title | sed 's/title -//' Might be a bit long-winded, but does the trick. Thanks!
[12:40] <mede> ok thanks I'll try
[12:40] <joebike> On ubuntu/apache, getting a 403 error trying access localhost, error.log shows "Directory index forbidden by Options directive:" that points to the root of one of the sites i have as a virtual host, I removed it to see if it fixed, but then the error log just moves on to another site in the virtual hosts.  It had been working, then rebooted apache and started getting 403s
[12:41] <unop> aar,  sed -n '/title - /s/title - //p'
[12:41] <unop> aar, and then you can skip the grep part
[12:42] <aar> unop, much more elegant. Thanks! :)
[12:42] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Any idea how to get Empathy to message cell phones? >> like with Windows Live?
[12:42] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Or make Emesene replace Empathy in that wonderfully convenient button?
[12:43] <albert_> hi, is there a console command to clear the playlist of the running vlc instance?
[12:43] <Vhozard> CloudLevi Sorry, dont know that. I use pidgin myself
[12:44] <Vhozard> albert_ Dont think so
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> albert_:  check 'vlc --help' and the vlc docs perhaps.
[12:44] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Can I contact a cellphone with that?
[12:44] <albert_> did check it, didn't find anything
[12:44] <tatsel> Empathy.. IDK why they replaced
[12:44] <red2kic> CloudLevi: You can.
[12:44] <vzlom> hello all =)
[12:44] <albert_> thanks anyway :D
[12:44] <CloudLevi> red2kic: ;-; Thank you...
[12:44] <samphippen|lapto> how do I set evolution to download the contents of all my email automatically, instead of just subject/sender
[12:45] <mozir> I'm used to Windows and the pretty "Windows is shutting down..." light-blue gradient screen... And now in Ubuntu I still get scared every time I shut it down
[12:45] <tatsel> irc doesn't even works as much as pidgin does
[12:45] <manohar> getting this error in Ubuntu 8.04 using Evolution "Error refreshing folder" help please
[12:45] <mozir> You know the random colors, then the black shell where it reads "Important kernel process X has been killed" etc
[12:45] <Vhozard> mozir Thats one of the rules of ubuntu: Scare people
[12:45] <elnur> How can I force a HDD to be mounted at system start, not just when I try to use it?
[12:45] <tatsel> ._.
[12:45] <red2kic> mozir: Turn off the monitor before you shut it down. :)
[12:45] <Vhozard> elnur Edit the file /etc/fstab
[12:45] <tatsel> elnur: fstab
[12:45] <tatsel> aw, grilled
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> !fstab | elnur
[12:46] <geekphreak> samphippen|lapto: did you setup evolution?
[12:46] <samphippen|lapto> geekphreak, I did, does it download email by default?
[12:46] <CloudLevi> red2kic: Can you contact a cell through MSN on Pidgin?
[12:47] <manohar> i have problem fetching INBOX
[12:47] <elnur> Thank you, guys.
[12:47] <manohar> in evolution
[12:47] <CloudLevi> red2kic: Or is it something else?
[12:47] <red2kic> CloudLevi: MSN? I don't know. I use AIM. Add a contact (ie +911)
[12:47] <geekphreak> samphippen|lapto:  it downloads full email yes
[12:47] <lubse> hello, how do I install a Dutch spelling checker for open office?
[12:47] <CloudLevi> red2kic: interesting...
[12:48] <samphippen|lapto> ok
[12:48] <Vhozard> lubse Open synaptic en zoek naar: openoffice
[12:48] <manohar> greekphreak: evolution gives error "cannot refresh folder" while fetching email
[12:48] <Vhozard> lubse In die lijst staat wel ergens dutch
[12:49] <geekphreak> manohar: using imap ?
[12:49] <Vhozard> lubse Je kan ook zoeken naar ¨aspell¨ en dan de nederlandse versie installeren
[12:49] <manohar> greekphreak: yes using imap to fetch gmail
[12:49] <jfb_h2o> can I use a dpkg set-selections output file on a 32bit machine to install packages on a 64bit machine?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> jfb_h2o: absolutely
[12:49] <geekphreak> manohar: make sure in gmail imap is enabled and port settings are ok ssl enabled :)
[12:49] <jfb_h2o> ActionParsnip, thanks!
[12:49] <unop> !clone | jfb_h2o
[12:50] <manohar> geekphreak: where should be ssl enabled?
[12:50] <manohar> in gmail?
[12:50] <tatsel> O.O
[12:50] <unop> jfb_h2o, you have to careful using dpkg --set-selections -- package names can be truncated if they are too long
[12:50] <tatsel> That kind of things can be done O.O
[12:50] <jfb_h2o> unop, are you a bot?
[12:50] <unop> jfb_h2o, negative.
[12:51] <geekphreak> manohar:  no, when you login to gmail using firefox , goto setting enable imap there first , then in evolution , enable ssl for imap gmail server
[12:51] <jfb_h2o> unop, what is !close
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> manohar: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/howto-set-up-gmail-in-evolution-gnomes-mail-client-and-organizer/
[12:51] <jfb_h2o> oops, clone
[12:51] <tatsel> a command to show you how to clone your current system
[12:51] <unop> jfb_h2o, clone* -- as in, take a list of packages that are installed on one machine and install the same set on another
[12:51] <manohar> geekphreak: i hav ssl enabled in evolution
[12:52] <geekphreak> manohar: is imap enabled in gmail?
[12:52] <lubse> Vhozard: synaptic?
[12:52] <jfb_h2o> unop, I'll have to investigate... so the suggestion of the bot is better than using dpkg?
[12:53] <jfb_h2o> !automate
[12:53] <CloudLevi1> woohoo!!!
[12:53] <CloudLevi1> ...wha?
[12:53] <manohar> geekphreak: yup i think so. checking again in case not done
[12:53] <CloudLevi1> oh...^^;
[12:53] <geekphreak> ok
[12:53] <CloudLevi> AND Pidgin uses IRC commands =D
[12:54] <tatsel> Most of them*
[12:54] <unop> jfb_h2o, in our optinion - yes -- you can use dpkg for the same purpose but beware that it has some limitations
[12:54] <lubse> something like sudo aptitude install aspell-dutch ?
[12:54] <jfb_h2o> !cloning
[12:54] <Vhozard> lubse Yup, dat is goed :)
[12:54] <geekphreak> lubse: i think myspell-nl
[12:54] <jfb_h2o> unop, ActionParsnip thanks!
[12:54] <geekphreak> or that !
[12:54]  * jfb_h2o is going to do some reading...
[12:54] <Vhozard> myspell is possible too
[12:55] <lubse> Vhozard: aspell-dutch does not exist :P
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> !find dutch
[12:55] <Vhozard> lubse Ik zit niet op ubuntu nu, maar het is vast wel te vinden via synaptic
[12:55] <Vhozard> lubse synaptic is de GUI van apt-get of aptitude
[12:56] <lubse> Get:1 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main myspell-nl 1:1.10-2 [1,036kB]
[12:56] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Ubuntu...has just gotten a LOT better... ;w;
[12:56] <CloudLevi> but this font has to go...
[12:56] <Vhozard> CloudLevi wth?
[12:56] <h3X^> after installing ubuntu 9.10 i get "no screens found" when starting xorg; but it works perfectly when running from the liveCD! is the config different there? any reason why setup shouldn't be able to autoconfigure it?
[12:57]  * lubse bows deeply to geekphreak
[12:57] <lubse> thanks!
[12:57] <geekphreak> np
[12:57] <manohar> geekphreak: imap is enabled in gmail
[12:58] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: I'm installing StarCraft 2 and am now on Pidgin, which allows SMS, which will take a LOT of stress off my relationship with my fiancé. So I'm VERY happy now. =w=
[12:58] <geekphreak> manohar: do you have lot of email in your account, cause if so it might take time
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> h3X^: boot to recovery root console and run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   then reboot
[12:58] <CloudLevi> And all the pretty colors *w*
[12:58] <Vhozard> CloudLevi haha, cool, man!
[12:58] <h3X^> ActionParsnip, i'll try that
[12:58] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Aye! <3
[12:58] <h3X^> just wish i could alt-tab between OS's
[12:59] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: Only problem I have is that it shows SMS users as online x_X which means I won't be able to tell when she's on/off Xbox ><;;;
[12:59] <manohar> geekphreak: it shows fetching messages and after 80% it gives error "cannot refresh folder"
[12:59] <pt_user> anybody know about the state of glX?
[12:59] <pt_user> i have ap problem with my graphics card
[13:00] <h3X^> where can i find the config file for grub btw?
[13:00] <hellyeah> hey
[13:00] <red2kic> CloudLevi: Wait... You can? Pidgin can add MSN and MSN is already incorporated into Xbox Live. You just need to add her email account that was registered to her Xbox Live.
[13:00] <hellyeah> i have 80 jpg file how can i unite these iage file into djvu format
[13:00] <red2kic> CloudLevi: I use that all times to send chat messages to my Xbox-inducted friends.
[13:01] <geekphreak> manohar:  manohar so it is downloading emails just stops at 80, any ideas which files/folder it hangs on?
[13:01] <pt_user> @ hellyeah: there's a package "minidjvu" that converts pages in .tif to djvu
[13:01] <unop> hellyeah, depends on what you mean by unite
[13:01] <manohar> geekphreak: i searched this error in google and this was a bug
[13:01] <CloudLevi> red2kic: nonononono... it shows her as online because I have her phone number programmed in for SMS...
[13:01] <CloudLevi> red2kic: So if she's permanently online, I DOUBT I'll be getting alerts for her going on or off x_X;
[13:01] <geekphreak> manohar:  i know of a bug in gmail, but it actually gave different error message, wana try something/
[13:01] <manohar> geekphreak: oh problem solved i think
[13:02] <red2kic> CloudLevi: Right. It'll display online all times. There are no way of knowing if she's turning her phone off. :P
[13:02] <geekphreak> manohar: what was the issue
[13:02] <manohar> i limited the no. of messages in gmail to 1000
[13:02] <manohar> so it fetched
[13:02] <CloudLevi> red2kic: MSN showed her as offline ><
[13:02] <geekphreak> manohar: i would try with pop :)
[13:02] <manohar> i think due to too much of messages it was unable to fetch
[13:03] <red2kic> CloudLevi: For cellphones or her Xbox?
[13:03] <manohar> geekphreak: wats difference b/w imap and pop?
[13:03] <manohar> which one is better?
[13:03] <geekphreak> manohar:  but tell me something man, if you use imap for evolutiion why would you wana limit :), you would want all emails shown right?
[13:03] <red2kic> manohar: IMAP.
[13:03] <uLinux> Is there any application similar to Ventrilo, Skype etc for ubuntu?
[13:03] <pt_user> the driver in 10.04 is really slow, it's like 3D hardware acceleration is off
[13:03] <uLinux> IMAP is better
[13:04] <CloudLevi> red2kic: cell...only if she was logged into her email account would it show her as online...now it just shows her as on because of the number. I -REALLY- liked it the other way =/
[13:04] <geekphreak> uLinux: matter of personal choice :p
[13:04] <uLinux> geekphreak ?
[13:04] <uLinux> just tell me one
[13:04] <IdleOne> uLinux: Ekiga
[13:04] <uLinux> i dont want to use wine
[13:04] <hellyeah> unop, i want to look one document instead of looking 80 images
[13:04] <uLinux> IdleOne  tks
[13:04] <geekphreak> i do like pop :)
[13:04] <manohar> geekphreak: but limiting solved the problem
[13:04] <CloudLevi> Vhozard: any idea why this random, nameless, textless, meaningless error keeps popping up at the beginning of every SC2 update? o_O;
[13:04] <hellyeah> i want to convert jpg to djvu
[13:04] <unop> hellyeah, so you want each image one after another ?
[13:04] <red2kic> CloudLevi: I see. I don't know about MSN though. You can add her MSN account?
[13:04] <geekphreak> manohar:  well as long as it works, it good nes , good luck
[13:05] <manohar> geekphreak: thanx
[13:05] <Vhozard> CloudLevi Dont play sc2, so I dont know :o
[13:05] <geekphreak> np
[13:05] <uLinux> oh IdleOne  there is also mumble
[13:05] <uLinux> :)
[13:05] <manohar> red2kic: y is imap better?
[13:05] <IdleOne> uLinux: yes, that too
[13:05] <uLinux> it is
[13:05] <pt_user> hellyeah: http://minidjvu.sourceforge.net/
[13:05] <CloudLevi> red2kic: I have her MSN account and SMS number tied together, that's the problem.
[13:05] <uLinux> manohar  user imap
[13:05] <uLinux> use
[13:06] <red2kic> manohar: Because I say so. Its benefits greatly outweighs POP.
[13:06] <hellyeah> pt_user,  you said it is for tiff ?
[13:06] <CloudLevi> red2kic: I suppose I can separate them, but that'd just be redundant...
[13:06] <hellyeah> i jhave jpg
[13:06] <IdleOne> uLinux: i forgot mumble because it hasn;t been working for me :/
[13:06] <pt_user> hellyeah: you just need to convert jpg to tiff first
[13:06] <manohar> uLinux: y to use imap?
[13:06] <pt_user> but yes, it works
[13:06] <CloudLevi> red2kic: Maybe if she's online it'll remove the SMS symbol...
[13:06] <jfb_h2o> unop, do you have an opinion on the aptitude vs. debconf-set-selections method that the 'automating' web site references?
[13:06] <red2kic> manohar: I doubt it. However, I imagine you could group accounts (and aliases).
[13:07] <pt_user> i think imagemagick will do it fast enough
[13:07] <CloudLevi> red2kic: Yeah...it'll post her status and probably remove the icon...might add something for her display image, which is currently blank
[13:07] <uLinux> manohar http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=imap+vs+pop
[13:07] <manohar> red2kic: wat r the benefits? i had to limit my mails to 1000
[13:07] <manohar> uLinux: ok i will google abt it
[13:07] <red2kic> manohar: See uLinux's search result. :)
[13:09] <manohar> red2kic: i did it before so used imap but i had to limit my mails. and geekphreak says y should we limit mails if we r using imap
[13:09] <geekphreak> manohar: choose what works best for you :d
[13:09] <red2kic> manohar: Why do you have to limit your mails? Just wondering.
[13:10] <red2kic> manohar: Preserve bandwidth. It's not like we're going to go through all old mails anytime soon.
[13:10] <uLinux> gmail @ thunderbird + imap works fine
[13:10] <Curly_Q> Greets to the Geekphreak.   :)  <-------------------< How are you today?
[13:10] <hellyeah> hey
[13:10] <hellyeah> is there someone who use minidjvu
[13:11] <pt_user> i'm back, mate
[13:11] <pt_user> i used it in windows
[13:11] <geekphreak> red2kic:  he was having some issues fetching folder, he said limiting emails solved his issue
[13:11] <geekphreak> manohar:  just wndering are you on dialup?
[13:11] <hellyeah> pt_user,  oh okey
[13:11] <geekphreak> hey Curly_Q , good here, and you?
[13:11] <manohar> red2kic: coz it gave error while fetching mails. after fetching 80% it gave error "Cannot refresh folder" and it couldnot fetch any mail.
[13:11] <Curly_Q> Not bad thanks Geekphreak. Good to see you again.
[13:11] <miansc> hey guys
[13:11] <pt_user> i'll take a look at the source tarball
[13:11] <miansc> how can i completly delete grub and install a fresh copy
[13:11] <geekphreak> manohar:  do you use anti virus?
[13:12] <geekphreak> oh forgot he is on linux lol my bad lol
[13:12] <Curly_Q> Geekphreak, have you used a USB interface called Dazzle with Ubuntu? I am working with it with Windows. It is not a bad device.
[13:12] <micmic> hi
[13:12] <CloudLevi> geekphreak: If he gotz Linux there be no need 'cause we VIRUS PROOF =D
[13:12] <IdleOne> miansc: grub or grub2?
[13:12] <micmic> hi
[13:12] <geekphreak> CloudLevi: yeah i relaized my mistake
[13:12] <miansc> IdleOne:  im using ubuntu 9.04, so it's just grun right?
[13:12] <pt_user> hellyeah: you can get directly from ubuntu servers, they have the binary
[13:12] <miansc> grub*
[13:12] <IdleOne> !brub > miansc
[13:12] <IdleOne> heh
[13:12] <geekphreak> Curly_Q: nope never heard of it?
[13:13] <IdleOne> !grub > miansc
[13:13] <geekphreak> IdleOne:  :)
[13:13] <IdleOne> geekphreak: :)
[13:13] <h3X^> back with same problem, no screens found. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't yield even a response.
[13:13] <Curly_Q> Geekphreak it is a USB interface with an Svideo port as well as R+L and Video channels.
[13:13] <pt_user> does anybody know what the problem with intel graphics cards is?
[13:13] <miansc> IdleOne: ill check it out
[13:13] <geekphreak> Curly_Q:  sounds nice?
[13:14] <IdleOne> miansc: there should be a section there on reinstalling
[13:14] <geekphreak> h3X^: nvidia card?
[13:14] <hellyeah> yes
[13:14] <hellyeah> i took minidjvu from repository pt_user
[13:14] <miansc> IdleOne:  im pretty sure i tryed it, but ill have a look
[13:14] <IdleOne> pt_user: what problem?
[13:14] <uLinux> IdleOne Mumble Egika teamspeak ;)
[13:14] <Curly_Q> It is very nice Geekphreak. It cost about $100.00 but you can port with a Windows software called:  Pinnacle to copy movies from your vid camera.
[13:14] <hellyeah> but i paste the error i have to convert jpg file into djvu format
[13:15] <Curly_Q> The software creates DVDs as well.
[13:15] <pt_user> IdleOne: i have a low-spec laptop with a GMA X3100 card, and ubuntu 10.04 performance is very sluggish with 3D accelerated graphics
[13:15] <jfb_h2o> !paste
[13:16] <pt_user> IdleOne: anything trying to use 3d hardware slows the computer down to a crawl
[13:16] <IdleOne> pt_user: how much RAM?
[13:16] <pt_user> IdleOne: 2GB
[13:16] <agronholm_> hi, is there any way to connect to a shared gnome session from a Windows box?
[13:16] <agronholm_> I mean, I can connect via vnc but I'm not getting any display updates
[13:16] <Curly_Q> Geekphreak, have you tried any Linux stuff that sounds like what I am explaining?
[13:16] <acicula> agronholm_: how do you mean display updates
[13:17] <geekphreak> Curly_Q: no
[13:17] <agronholm_> acicula, I have a still picture of the screen of how it was the moment I connected
[13:17] <pt_user> IdleOne: the gnome-shell desktop worked perfectly fine when i used 9.10, but in 10.04 it's extremely slow
[13:17] <agronholm_> I can move the mouse around and it's reflected on the actual screen but not through the remote desktop
[13:17] <acicula> agronholm_: across what kind of network are you connecting
[13:17] <Curly_Q> Basically, I was interested in Video Business Cards.
[13:17] <agronholm_> acicula, LAN
[13:17] <antonio_> ciao++
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[13:17] <FloodBot1> antonio_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <antonio_> ciao
[13:18] <tonibr> hallo
[13:18] <antonio_> amtutt
[13:18] <antonio_> sasa
[13:18] <antonio_> as
[13:18] <antonio_> as
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[13:18] <acicula> agronholm_: this repeats when you disconnect and reconnect?
[13:18] <FloodBot1> antonio_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <FloodBot1> antonio_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:19] <agronholm_> acicula, yup, I can control the remote machine but the screen isn't updating over vnc at all
[13:19] <IdleOne> pt_user: seems to me that 2 gig of ram would be sufficient.
[13:19] <antonio_> ma vattlo    a prendre nel vulo++++
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[13:19] <FloodBot1> antonio_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:19] <pt_user> IdleOne: it only happened now with 10.04, 9.10 did everything fine
[13:19] <tonibr> gerade wer online der schon erfahrungen beim wiederherstellen von daten einer formatierten ext3 partition gemacht hat? der installer von der live-cd 10.4 hat mir so eben meine homepartition formatiert....
[13:19] <SwedeMike>  !de | tonibr
[13:20] <IdleOne> pt_user: ask in #ubuntu+1 they might have more advice
[13:20] <Curly_Q> Geekphreak, have you heard about RCN and the Class Action Law Suit against them because RCN blocked P2P traffic?
[13:20] <pt_user> IdleOne: will ask there, thanks
[13:20] <SwedeMike> tonibr: but basically if it's formatted, it's hard to get data back in any sensible and easy way
[13:20] <Curly_Q> A Judge ordered RCN to pay back money to their customers.
[13:20] <agronholm_> acicula, I've never really gotten session sharing to work
[13:21] <IdleOne> !ot | Curly_Q
[13:21] <agronholm_> I'm using nvidia's proprietary display driver, could that be the cause?
[13:22] <acicula> agronholm_: its worth a try, cant really think of why it wont update in the first place, aside from a sluggish connection
[13:22] <Curly_Q> It is not Off Topic. Most of the problems that occur with port problems are due to IP blocking ports. Such as emails etc.
[13:22] <agronholm_> acicula, a sluggish connection would mean slow updates
[13:22] <agronholm_> but it's not updating at all
[13:22] <acicula> Curly_Q: take it to #networking, its offtopic here
[13:22] <acicula> agronholm_: yeh
[13:22] <agronholm_> and the mouse moves very smoothly on the real screen when I move it on the vnc window
[13:22] <IdleOne> Curly_Q: it is offtopic because it is not ubuntu support related. please join #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss other topics
[13:23] <acicula> agronholm_: try a different viewer maybe?
[13:23] <agronholm_> I could, although that hasn't helped in the past
[13:23] <acicula> g2g, dead battery
[13:23] <agronholm_> anything you'd recommend?
[13:23] <agronholm_> ah
[13:25] <acio> hy
[13:25] <agronholm_> switched to a different viewer, still not getting any updates
[13:26] <JayX> anyone know where i can find a good proxy server?? Proxy Server IP Address! An American one I doing a lil project/experiment
[13:29] <\shade\> What's the package that includes the cmd tool 'ipv6'?
[13:29] <johndooe> хочу обновить ядро до версии v<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:29] <johndooe> объясните подробно как это сделать в ubuntu? или дайте ссылку на какое-нибудь руководство....
[13:29] <bazhang> !ru | johndooe
[13:29] <johndooe> I want to upgrade your kernel to version v<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:29] <johndooe> explain in detail how to do this in ubuntu? or give a link to some guidance ....
[13:30] <hutchit> hello everybody
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> !kernel | johndooe
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> johndooe:  i saw some tool to help install the latest kernel from source the other day.. but never tried it.. and theres PPA repos of newer kernels.
[13:32] <hutchit> i was wondering if anybody has any advice on how to deal with slow network and internet performance in Karmic
[13:32] <agronholm_> ok, remote desktop works fine with the nouveau driver
[13:33] <hutchit> i've looked at forums and followed all advice found, but nothing has worked thus far
[13:33] <Curly_Q> \shade\ What are you working with with Ipv6?
[13:33] <hutchit> ipv4 only
[13:33] <SwedeMike> hutchit: fault find it, find out what the problem really is. is it dns? is it tcp?
[13:33] <hutchit> ipv6 is set to "ignore" in the Network Manager
[13:33] <auska> hi!
[13:33] <hutchit> i use OpenDNS with all my computers
[13:34] <hutchit> i have a windows PC (XP), a Mac laptop, and this ubuntu laptop
[13:34] <red2kic> Consider upgrading to T1 connection.
[13:34] <uLinux> IdleOne so i've installed Mumble but it's not the latest stable version (this also happens with other applications). How do I update it?
[13:34] <hutchit> and only the Ubuntu laptop has slow performance... with the only exception being that every internet speed test comes out 100% normal
[13:34] <\shade\> Curly_Q: I'm using hurricane electric and it's telling me to add it via 'ipv6', however the command isn't found
[13:35] <hutchit> but when i use Update Manager, i get about one fifth of my download speed when nothing else is using bandwidth
[13:35] <auska> how can i resize a picture that i need to has as less as possible kb to upload it, by the console?
[13:35] <red2kic> hutchit: Dial-Up?
[13:35] <hutchit> no, i'm on ADSL 1.5Mbps down... and 500kbps up
[13:36] <uLinux> Guys, i installed Mumble but it's not the latest stable version (this also happens with other applications). How do I update it?
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> auska:  the imagemagick package/tools can convert images  from the console
[13:36] <Curly_Q> \shade\ I don't know the answer to what you are looking for, but I am sure you will like this URL:   http://www.subnetonline.com/pages/subnet-calculators/ipv4-to-ipv6-converter.php
[13:36] <hutchit> i had Jaunty in this workstation before, and zero problems
[13:36] <_picAssO_> auska: any reason why you use the console?
[13:36] <uLinux> Do i need to add some line to sources.list»?
[13:36] <hutchit> upgraded to Karmic (clean-install) and boom
[13:36] <hutchit> and i have same problem at a relative's laptop after installing Karmic
[13:36] <red2kic> auska: pngcrush or optipng
[13:36] <auska> because i need to resize 50 picutres and i doesn't want to do it one by one
[13:37] <alberto> ispano.org
[13:38] <Curly_Q> Auska, what you are describing is called: "Batch Files
[13:39] <red2kic> Because I have 50 cars and I don't want to sell it one by one. Unfortunately that does not work that way. :|
[13:39] <JayX> how can i securly shred the files in my ubuntu trash bin?
[13:39] <hutchit> @Curly_Q: thanks for that info URL... i'll look at it
[13:39] <red2kic> !trash | JayX
[13:39] <red2kic> JayX: You could try and shred the path.
[13:39] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, your welcome.
[13:39] <JayX> red2kic,  how do I do that? I want to do a 35 pass secure shred!
[13:39] <JayX> gunman **
[13:39] <Curly_Q> Greets to Dr Willis.  :)
[13:40] <auska> Curly_Q, i was thinking in using a command like pngcrush *.jpg
[13:40] <red2kic> Jax: "man shred" will list endless options.
[13:40] <JayX> red2kic,  oh..... i hate terminal :(  im a  GUI person :P
[13:40] <acicula> agronholm_: vncviewer perhaps?
[13:40] <red2kic> auska: If it's for websites, png works best. If it's high-quality photos, jpg is nice.
[13:41] <auska> aha its for websites ...
[13:41] <Curly_Q> Auska, I use a similar program in Windows called:   IrfanView It does more than you could ever want. If you dual boot, try giving it a whirl. It is a free software.
[13:41] <red2kic> auska: You can convert or mogrify images. Might even shave down couple of kbs.
[13:42] <red2kic> Then optimize/crunch the images.
[13:42] <acicula> JayX: why do you need such a type of erase, unless you are hiding state secrets or hiding from overwriting the free disk space a few times makes conventil file recovery already pretty hard. that said there are some secure erase tools for *unix(google secure erase ubuuntu)
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> irfanview  = a must have on windows. :)
[13:42] <linxeh> irfanview != free
[13:42] <red2kic> JayX: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_shred.htm (MANUAL IN GNU BROWSER)
[13:43] <linxeh> and it is only "free as in beer" for restricted uses
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> so what...
[13:43] <linxeh> Curly_Q said it was free
[13:44] <red2kic> Adobe Flash Plugin is free too. :)
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> and your definition of 'free' differs..
[13:44] <JayX> acicula,  :D well i want to sell my HDD in a few months, .. but when im ready to sell i will also do a simple 3pass DBAN (Derick Boot nd Nuke)
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> so what.. its 'freeware'
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> and OT i imagine.
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> and it does work in Wine. :)
[13:44] <linxeh> and typically people creating websites to sell cars are doing it commercially, which means it isnt "free as in beer" for him
[13:44] <JayX> acicula,  dont want my information to fall into the wrong hands :P..
[13:44] <red2kic> JayX: Darik :)
[13:44] <acicula> JayX: if you are that worried then just dont sell your disk
[13:45] <JayX> acicula,  well is these people in my neighbour hood see how many computers i have, it might just get stolen instead of sold
[13:45] <JayX> red2kic, yea that dude's name
[13:45] <acicula> JayX: then you dont need secure erease, then you need an encrytped disk and abig bad dobermann
[13:45] <hutchit> @Curly_Q: would you suggest i enable ipv6 (or... change it from the current "ignore" setting). I am thinking that my ISP doesn't use ipv6 yet.
[13:46] <red2kic> JayX: I would imagine they'll try to look at whatever they can find... but not scanning the hard drives and recover whatever and copies them. They're just going to plug the hard drive in and see what shows up in Windows.
[13:46] <JayX> acicula, .. does it make much of a difference?  encrypting the disk means i need to enter a password every time i want to access a certain folder?
[13:46] <harjot> whats an easy language to learn that has a good interface?
[13:47] <red2kic> JayX: No. The whole partition would be encrypted and you only have to type password every time you turn on the machine.
[13:47] <harjot> Is there anything like vb for ubuntu?
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  go learn Python.,
[13:47] <harjot> python...
[13:47] <acicula> JayX: encrypting a disk means you need to unlock the data before you can view it, just erasing an unencrypted disk hopes you erase well enough
[13:47] <JayX> Haraken,  English XD ....... i would try Python
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  forget about VisualBasic and its clones like 'gambas'
[13:47] <harjot> I know]
[13:47] <harjot> gambas
[13:47] <agronholm_> acicula, tried tightvnc and realvnc
[13:47] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, I cannot answer that directly but I suggest you log into your IP homesite and see what they provide. Not only that, If you do in Windows an ipconfig /all you will see if your IP is using IPv6. Also in Linux do a ifconfig -all and see what your IP is using.
[13:47] <miansc> whats a GRUB alternative?? i hate grub :)
[13:47] <acicula> agronholm_: then i dont know :/
[13:47] <harjot> Dr_Willis: im trying to make a quick launcher sort of app, whats the best way?
[13:47] <agronholm_> acicula, works with nouveau driver like I said
[13:47] <red2kic> miansc: lilo
[13:48] <agronholm_> but not with nvidia proprietary
[13:48] <acicula> agronholm_: yay for binary drivers :(
[13:48] <JayX> red2kic, acicula  Ohh..... encrypting disk sounds good...
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> harjot:   just a window with some buttons? about anything can do that. even bash and zenity
[13:48] <harjot> Dr_Willis: yup
[13:48] <JayX> red2kic, acicula  can u encrypt the disk and have a dual boot?
[13:48] <miansc> red2kic: k, thanks, how can i install that?
[13:48] <harjot> Dr_Willis: Nothing compilcated
[13:48] <harjot> Dr_Willis: how can bash do that?
[13:48] <JayX> red2kic, acicula  Win 7 and Ubuntu 10.04
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  with a 'dialog' front end.
[13:48] <acicula> JayX: yeah
[13:48] <Yesso> Hey guys i bought this portable game system called a Dingoo, when i plug it in; ubuntu doesn't recognize it or show it in usb, or mount it. I tried finding it in gparted and it's not their either, i even reformatted it as fat32 like the guide said and still nothing. help?
[13:48] <harjot> Dr_Willis: hmmm.. i have a lot to learn
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  there used to be several of them. ive not used any in ages
[13:48] <The-Druid_> does anyone here is having problems with the update manager?
[13:49] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, otherwise, Ipv6 is not that popular right now and it is in its experimental stage. Due to the over-demand for IP addresses.
[13:49] <The-Druid_> it looks like mine hasn't got something to download for weeks, even the 10.04 beta
[13:49] <dmarkey> is it possible to run the livecd, but to store the changes somewhere on the local hard disk
[13:50] <Yesso> Hey guys i bought this portable game system called a Dingoo, when i plug it in; ubuntu doesn't recognize it or show it in usb, or mount it. I tried finding it in gparted and it's not their either, i even reformatted it as fat32 like the guide said and still nothing. help? It had an internel 4gb memory btw
[13:50] <red2kic> !lilo | miansc
[13:50] <_picAssO_> anyone around who knows how to reatach all sessions in "screen"?
[13:50] <red2kic> miansc: You were looking for alternative. How irony. :-P
[13:50] <acicula> _picAssO_: screen -r or -x
[13:50] <miansc> cheers
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  perhaps --> http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/265/a-complete-zenity-dialog-examples-2/
[13:50] <acicula> lilo is way worse then grub
[13:50] <miansc> red2kic: how so?
[13:50] <_picAssO_> acicula: tanks
[13:50] <Yesso> Hey guys i bought this portable game system called a Dingoo, when i plug it in; ubuntu doesn't recognize it or show it in usb, or mount it. I tried finding it in gparted and it's not their either, i even reformatted it as fat32 like the guide said and still nothing. help? It had an internel 4gb memory btw
[13:50] <acicula> Hey yesso dont spam
[13:51] <Yesso> :/
[13:51] <miansc> red2kic:  Ohhhh! haha
[13:51] <harjot> Dr_Willis: ok i will see
[13:51] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, unless you fully understand Ipv6, I would just disable it for now and you can always change it to something else later.
[13:51] <hutchit> @Curly_Q: my 3 machines are behind a router here at home... but i have no access to the router because the ADSL company here doesn't give me login access to change settings.
[13:51] <red2kic> JayX: I imagine you could use truecrypt too. I have 20GB HDD (for encrypted /) and 300GB HDD (for encrypted /home). I'm not sure how to dual-boot.
[13:51] <acicula> Yesso: you can check if it is detected by typing lsusb or looking at dmesg output
[13:52] <red2kic> JayX: Also, I know TrueCrypt do offer full system encryption. It's just easier / cheaper to get another hard drives.
[13:52] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, does your router support Ipv6?  Is it your personal router?
[13:52] <mylisto> argh...
[13:52] <ravenkhan> hi
[13:52] <acicula> i just use the ubuntu default /home loopback encryption
[13:52] <harjot> Dr_Willis: zenity looks promising'
[13:52] <hutchit> i am fairly certain that ipv6 isn't used by the ISP
[13:52] <mylisto> Trying to get sound working on my system...driving me nuts!
[13:52] <_picAssO_> acicula: sorry, but if i have more than one detached sessions, it does not seem to work
[13:52] <acicula> _picAssO_: add the pid
[13:52] <jfb> what is a 'clean' way to install all software installed without using apt or aptitude, i.e. manually installed?
[13:53] <ravenkhan> hello
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> harjot:  yea. i dont see one that can do a set of buttons.. but that document is a bit old,  Cgheck the zenity docs it may have more features now
[13:53] <hutchit> and the ADSL box is also the router... all provided by the DSL company, but i have no login access, and to get them to change it means getting an appointment, which takes days
[13:53] <JayX> red2kic,  well I got  2x1TB SATA HDD, and oen 250GB IDE/PATA HDD
[13:53] <miansc> red2kic: i cant get grub to load windows... now ubuntu i need serious help
[13:53] <jfb> correction, clean way to UNINSTALL
[13:53] <hutchit> so for now, the Karmic Network Manager has ipv6 as "ignore"
[13:53] <_picAssO_> acicula: i would to reatach all of them at the same time; do i really have to add all pids?
[13:53] <acicula> jfb: your question does not make sense
[13:53] <acicula> _picAssO_: you can only attach to one screen per pty/tty
[13:53] <jfb> acicula, I've installed a bunch of stuff manually over the year...
[13:54] <acicula> jfb: a make uninstall if the src directory is still there
[13:54] <mynewusername> hey all
[13:54] <Curly_Q> Hutchit work with that adjustment for now and do some more homework on the subject.
[13:54] <jfb> I don't necessary know where it all is, as a lot was just testing...
[13:54] <JayX> red2kic, acicula  BTW that reminds me of a question i had asked ealier on the forums... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1347488  << Answer is still unclear to me
[13:54] <zicho> what is "phy0"?
[13:54] <VCoolio> jfb: depends on how you installed; with 'sudo make install' you'll need to enter the source folder and do 'sudo make uninstall' if it has the rules for it
[13:54] <red2kic> JayX: Consider buying a smallest HDD you can find (for system core) and the rest? Media. :)
[13:54] <acicula> jfb: otherwise make a list of all the files on the disk and crossreference against the files in the apt db, enjoy ;)
[13:54] <daniskami> jfb: did you compile from source or .deb packages?
[13:54] <hutchit> and none of the remaining 2 machines get any ipv6 addresses from the ADSL router when i query the network TCP/IP settings
[13:54] <jfb> danielck, mostly compiled from source
[13:54] <_picAssO_> acicula: then i have understood something wrong: can "ctrl-a-space" flip through detached sessions?
[13:54] <red2kic> !fixgrub | miansc
[13:55] <hutchit> alright. I'll keep searching for more. Thanks, Curly_Q.
[13:55] <red2kic> miansc: you can seek support in #grub too. Meanwhile, look at the links.
[13:55] <daniskami> jfb: if from source, consider 'checkinstall' in the future, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[13:55] <miansc> red2kic: tryed that man... still no luck
[13:55] <miansc> ohhh k cheers
[13:55] <harjot> Dr_Willis: yeah im looking for multiple buttons
[13:55] <hutchit> i am just baffled that in Jaunty this didn't exist... and there have been no hardware changes in the machine
[13:55] <jfb> danielck, acicula  thanks...
[13:55] <VCoolio> jfb: I'd say do a clean install next week with lucid and use checkinstall from now on to install manually
[13:55] <jfb> VCoolio, that's exactly what I'm thinking!
[13:55] <acicula> _picAssO_: if you have a screen that has multiple windows yeah
[13:56] <daniskami> jfb: because checkinstall wraps the files from 'make install' into packages
[13:56] <_picAssO_> acicula: ah, thanks
[13:56] <hutchit> fortunately Lucid is coming shortly, so i will also try upgrading to it to see if i get different performance
[13:56] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, I have an internship at a CISCO Network Academy. When we program the routers, it specifies that it is either Ipv4 or Ipv6. So the router and switches will determine that. Stick with Ipv4 for now.
[13:56] <alzamabar> Hi, my shutdown window just appeared although I haven't requested a shutdown. Any ideas?
[13:56]  * jfb is reading about checkinstall
[13:56] <hutchit> i will follow your advice and not tinker with ipv6, Curly_Q. Thanks
[13:56] <anderson> Anyone from Brazil using Lucid?
[13:56] <acicula> jfb: you can also make deb packages from source stuff
[13:57] <acicula> !br
[13:57] <acicula> makes tracking what you install easier
[13:57] <red-red|wine> y0
[13:57] <anderson> Thanks, dude!
[13:57] <mynewusername> why is configuring sound so damn hard on ubuntu?
[13:57] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, your welcome. If you see me here and find something else you would like to share with me, please do.
[13:58] <acicula> mynewusername: its not, can you formulate it as a support question? what have you tried, what did you expect it to do, what happened instead?
[13:58] <alzamabar> ** HELP **  Hi, my shutdown window just appeared although I haven't requested a shutdown. Any ideas?
[13:58] <jfb> acicula, so build a package from the source, then use aptitude to install it?
[13:58] <acicula> alzamabar: just click on cancel?
[13:58] <harjot> Dr_Willis: im not sure zenity can do multiple buttons, anything else?
[13:58] <mynewusername> acicula: to get my headphones to work I need to use my usb headset (on board jacks are busted)...
[13:59] <acicula> jfb: build a package from source into a deb package, then use dpkg to install the debpacakge
[13:59] <alzamabar> acicula, yes I've done that, but I'd like to know why the window appeared if I haven't asked for it
[13:59] <zee> u might have configured a shortcut or sth
[13:59] <mynewusername> what is the best sound system to use?
[13:59] <acicula> alzamabar: maybe because an update that was performed requires a reboot, pressing a power button, etc
[13:59] <mynewusername> oss/alsa or pulse audio?
[14:00] <hutchit> oh, Curly_Q... i just remembered another thing. I did this clean install of Karmic here with the Minimal CD... so the installer naturally had to download everything from the internet, and it did that at my full internet bandwidth.
[14:00] <jfb> acicula, from reading the check install page, sounds kind of like what it does...
[14:00] <harjot> Dr_Willis: will dialog do it?
[14:00] <alzamabar> acicula I haven't performed any updates. I just hope I haven't got a security issue here
[14:00] <jfb> acicula, especially if joined with auto-apt.
[14:00] <zicho> what is "phy0"?
[14:00] <hutchit> so i don't know why network bandwidth now would be different... but i'll keep investigating.
[14:00] <rodox> In xfce, howto disconnetc ppp0? I tried: sudo ifdown ppp0 / Ignoring unknown interface ppp0=ppp0. - In connection properties ppp0, the applet show activities for this interface
[14:01] <JayX> red2kic,  I want to give up Window
[14:01] <Curly_Q> Hutchit if you are trying to figure out your bandwidth, check out Http://www.dslreports.com
[14:01] <JayX> windows*
[14:01] <acicula> jfb: checkinstall doesnt make debs on its own i think but yeah
[14:01] <jfb> acicula, no that's true... in fact, it specifically does state that at the top of the page...
[14:01] <alzamabar> JayX, good decision :-)
[14:01] <daniskami> the point of checkinstall is that you can easily remove the package using 'dpkg' later
[14:01] <hutchit> my bandwidth speed tests come consistent with this machine as with the other systems in my home... which is ironic
[14:01] <jfb> acicula, but it sure seems like an easy solution...
[14:02] <jfb> I've never built a package, so I'll have to investigate how many steps that takes
[14:02] <hutchit> because the speed tests come out alright... (tests done with no other load on the bandwidth)
[14:02] <acicula> alzamabar: i dont know
[14:02] <JayX> red2kic,  should i install Win7  as a VM(to force myself to learn Ubuntu) or should i install Ubuntu as a VM on Win7?  alzamabar
[14:02] <mynewusername> acicula: give me a few to try to explain this bs
[14:02] <hutchit> but when i try to download / upload, then i have slow performance.
[14:02]  * jfb goes to read about Ubuntu packageing
[14:02] <VCoolio> jfb: checkinstall is quite easy; just be prepared to answer question like what version of the app you're installing and give a description etc, nothing difficult
[14:03] <hutchit> at first i thought it would be firefox, but the problem exists also when performing ubuntu software updates using either the command line or Update Manager
[14:03] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, http://www.dslreports.com will show which Internet Provider has the fastest and best bandwidth and you can test your speed on that site.
[14:03] <sebsebseb> JayX: If you want to 3D Windows game for example then you probably still need a dual boot really.  If not sure Windows 7 in a vm should work fine for most apps.
[14:03] <daniskami> jfb: if it's all on your computer and you don't need to distribute packages, checkinstall is good enough
[14:03] <uLinux> ei how do i delete residual config'
[14:03] <uLinux> ?
[14:03] <jfb> VCoolio, can it be used for a binary distribution?
[14:03] <alzamabar> JayX, it depends what use you do of your OS. Windows is more media oriented and it has a vast userbase, therefore lots of drivers for all the little technological gadgets. Ubuntu it's just faster, better especially if you are using it for development, hosting, etc
[14:04] <VCoolio> jfb: a what? no clue there
[14:04] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, keep in mind as well that not all networks work at the same bandwidth and latency. Heavy network traffic is a factor too.
[14:04] <jfb> well, a file that's already built from source specifically for my hardware... (ie, like a .bin file)
[14:05] <uLinux> status :)
[14:05] <alzamabar> JayX for instance, media in Windows through a VM is slow (e.g. iTunes movies). Currently that is the only time I switch dual boot to Windows
[14:05] <JayX> alzamabar, ohh ok.
[14:05] <sebsebseb> JayX: Windows virtual machines tend to work well
[14:05] <sebsebseb> JayX: for most stuff
[14:05] <VCoolio> jfb: just put those in $PATH, hardly worth the effort the keep track of them; no files cluttered all over the disk, right?
[14:05] <sebsebseb> JayX: and yes you can  play music and video in a virtual machine, and it shoudn't be much of an issue if at all. and Itunes is pretty sucky
[14:06] <jfb> VCoolio, okay... just trying to get used to 'best practices'
[14:06] <JayX> alzamabar,  ok well i guess i will make Ubuntu a VM on my windows 7 ,machine, that way i cal play and learn it without messing up my system :D
[14:06] <sebsebseb> JayX: you can also play most multimedia files, MP3, AVI and what not in Ubuntu, once the codecs have been installed
[14:06] <jfb> VCoolio, I usually dump anything I don't find a package for in /opt
[14:06] <rodox> I use 3g modem and don't know how to disconnect
[14:06] <hutchit> i agree, Curly_Q. I have tried different ubuntu mirrors, and even selecting the "best" ubuntu mirror based on the test of all of them that Software Sources allows for. Same results.
[14:06] <jfb> and the build into /usr/local/bin
[14:06] <sebsebseb> JayX:  it's better to dual boot,  Ubuntu and Windows 7,  than run Ubuntu inside Windows 7 in a vm
[14:06] <uLinux> Guys, i installed Mumble but it's not the latest stable version (this also happens with other applications). How do I update it?
[14:07] <VCoolio> jfb: that's cool; the default for 'make install' is /usr/local instead of /usr, so that helps too
[14:07] <sebsebseb> JayX: maybe for some quick trying Ubuntu in Windows 7 in a vm, other than that though, I woudn't recommend it at all.  makes more sense to have Windows 7 inside the much more secure Ubuntu OS.
[14:07] <JayX> sebsebseb,  ok well i had that as n idea.. ben seeking info in this forumn post i made, about RAID and dual botting >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1347488
[14:08] <sebsebseb> !dualboot | JayX
[14:08] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, when understanding networking, sending a ping is 32 hops. The networks look for the best path from source to destination. If any destination point is slow, then your bandwidth will be slow.
[14:08] <uLinux> I installed Mumble but it's not the latest stable version (this also happens with other applications). How do I update it?
[14:08] <JayX> sebseb, but the answer is still unclear on the raid.. i know how to dual boot,  i got a Dual boot machine now... Win7 and Ubuntu 9.10
[14:09] <JayX> sebsebseb,  ~~^^
[14:09] <acicula> uLinux: wait for a new revision of ubuntu or look on the mumble site for newer debs
[14:09] <felon> i was duelbooting also
[14:09] <sebsebseb> JayX: I don't use RAID, but  I think doing a dual boot RAID, is probably similar like on a non RAID PC
[14:09] <felon> but then i wiped windows off and stuck wit ubuntu
[14:09] <uLinux> acicula Can't I update it with synaptic?
[14:09] <acicula> uLinux: if mumble provides a repository for karmic then you can
[14:10] <VCoolio> uLinux: maybe there is a repository containing newer builds; check on launchpad.net
[14:10] <mede> I can't install hp scanjet 3670 on linux, help!!!!
[14:10] <mynewusername> acicula: god this is driving me friggin nuts!
[14:10] <sebsebseb> JayX: also I woudn't normally recommend Wubi, but that's useualy ok really for some quick trying or short term Ubuntu useage.
[14:10] <sebsebseb> !wubi > JayX
[14:10] <acicula> uLinux: ubuntu standard repositories focus on providin security updates and switch to new revisions every 6 months
[14:10] <mynewusername> I just want to be able to use my gigaware usb headset to listen to music on my ubuntu machine
[14:11] <acicula> mynewusername: mind your language
[14:11] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, an example, if you PING <IP_ADDRESS>  you will see a TTL  ( Time To Live ) perhaps 128 mili-seconds. If you PING any destination you can see what the TTL time is.
[14:11] <JayX> sebsebseb,  yea i used wubi on my netbook,  WinXP and Karmic Netbookremix
[14:11] <acicula> mynewusername: you have an on board sound card thats not working properly and want to use an usb based soundcard with headset instead?
[14:11] <hutchit> i agree with you, Curly_Q
[14:11] <mynewusername> sorry...just agro
[14:11] <mynewusername> yeah, the onboard jacks are busted
[14:12] <mynewusername> somehow the usb headset was working yesterday...and it was also able to pass sound to my xp installation on virtual box
[14:12] <hutchit> in all that i've searched, i find a lot of postings on people experiencing similar symptoms to mine
[14:12] <ownpown> hi
[14:12] <alien260> mede: According to this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87942 ur scanner isnt supported .. but that 2007 ..
[14:13] <acicula> mynewusername: have a look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402293
[14:13] <acicula> mynewusername: probably its just defaulting to your onboard and you need to switch that
[14:13] <hutchit> i just did a test with DSLreports and got average (normal) readings for my bandwidth
[14:13] <mede> ok I'll look
[14:13] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, it is just a matter of finding the right sources of information. It takes a lot of time and effort.
[14:13] <hutchit> approx 1.2Mbps down - 480kbps up
[14:13] <mynewusername> acicula: how do I do that?
[14:14] <acicula> look at the thread
[14:14] <acicula> 2~I can use the usb sound card by going to system-->preferences-->sound and then selecting "USB Audio"
[14:14] <hutchit> no doubt about that. i've been at this for nearly 3 months
[14:15] <hutchit> i've resisted going back to Jaunty because i like the features of Karmic, but the slow bandwidth to everything on the internet (except for speed tests, which is the only thing that shows normal performance) is awful
[14:15] <Curly_Q> Hutchit, keep in mind that Ipv6 does not change your bandwidth. It is just a different dot decimal system for IP addresses.
[14:15] <acicula> hutchit: are you speedtesting while hooked directly into the dsl modem or via hub/switch/wireless?
[14:16] <VirusTB> is there an Linux alternative to the windows "LogMeIn"  .. just incase i feel like retrieving a file from my desktop when im not at home
[14:16] <sebsebseb> hutchit: well as I already saw you mention, Lucid is coming out soon.  Do a clean install I guess, and good luck iwth that.
[14:16] <hutchit> well, thus far i've stayed with ipv4 in all the machines, because i'm not at all well informed on using ipv6
[14:16] <hutchit> i'm speed-testing directly hooked to the ADSL modem
[14:16] <CloudLevi> Sooo...anyone know how I can remove whatever firewall Linux has (TEMP) so I can get the SC2 updates installed in a realistic amount of time???
[14:16] <sebsebseb> hutchit: or try another distro if you want, loads to choose from http://www.distrowatch.com
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> CloudLevi:  sudo iptables --flush
[14:16] <hutchit> i am banking on that fact... that Lucid will be my redemption. :-)
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> CloudLevi:  thats IF theres any actual firewall setup. Theres none by default
[14:17] <hutchit> actually, other distros work without a problem (below Karmic)
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> CloudLevi:  use sudo iptables --list to see if theres any rules
[14:17] <hutchit> even the LiveCDs of other distros have no problems with bandwidth
[14:18] <sebsebseb> hutchit: below Karmic is other versions of Ubuntu,  not other Linux distros
[14:18] <hutchit> i've tried DamnSmallLinux, Clonezilla, SystemRescueCD, Xubuntu, Linux Mint
[14:18] <CloudLevi> Dr_Willis: This bring up a console? Need to bring it back up after
[14:18] <uLinux> I uninstalled TeamSpeak but .teamspeak2 folder still exists. Can I remove it? Why doesn't Ubuntu automatically delete it?
[14:18] <jfb> VCoolio, acicula is there a way to revert to a 'fresh' install, I've added a few packages from repositories, but I want to do it again... being a little more organized ;)
[14:18] <hutchit> and within the Ubuntu family, anything below Karmic works normally
[14:18] <mustafa> is there any virus that affects ubuntu?
[14:18] <hutchit> i've also tried Slax... no problems there
[14:19] <mustafa> do you know?
[14:19] <sebsebseb> !virus | mustafa
[14:19] <coz_> mustafa,  not that I am aware of at the moment
[14:19] <jfb> I just discovered the science-* meta packages, so I figure I should start with those...
[14:19] <coz_> mustafa,  there many linux viruses  but as far as I know they are not found on linux desktops
[14:19] <CloudLevi> ugh x_X I'll deal with this later
[14:19] <CloudLevi> se ya
[14:20] <coz_> mustafa,  so at least for a few more years ... you are safe with ubuntu :)
[14:20] <hutchit> well, i've got to go. Thanks again for the info / advice, Curly_Q
[14:20] <uLinux> I uninstalled TeamSpeak but .teamspeak2 folder still exists. Can I remove it? Why doesn't Ubuntu automatically delete it?
[14:20] <sebsebseb> hutchit: well there you go then,  issue in Lucid as well,  I guess find yourself another distro to use,  or get your issue fixed some how maybe.   Unless you want to downgrade to 9.04  which runs out of support this October. Or if you want to downgrade all the way back to 8.04 which runs out of support next year.
[14:20] <nand`> Is there an extra .iso or download for doing an ubuntu minimal install, or how do I install it off the regular DVD, in which case how exactly do I do it?
[14:21] <Curly_Q> Your welcome Hutchit. Come back and chat with me again.
[14:21] <coz_> uLinux,  if the executable is gone you can safely remove that directory
[14:21] <erUSUL> !minimal | nand`
[14:21] <uLinux> How do I make to delete app folders when I uinstall a n app?
[14:21] <hutchit> i'll keep looking and trying different things... and maybe, just maybe will have to settle for Hardy, for the extended support, as you put it
[14:21] <erUSUL> uLinux: the packge manager takes cre of that
[14:21] <hutchit> have a good one everybody!
[14:21] <erUSUL> uLinux: the package manager takes care of that
[14:21] <nand`> erUSUL: thank you
[14:21] <uLinux> erUSUL it didnt delete the .teamspeak2 folder
[14:21] <Curly_Q> ;)
[14:21] <iceroot> uLinux: apt-get remove --purge  to remove everything the program is creating (not in ~)
[14:22] <uLinux> and i ran residual config cleanup
[14:22] <sebsebseb> hutchit: except that only seems to have untill April next year, so not much point
[14:22] <coz_> uLinux,   you should be able to right click and delete or move to trash  or   open a terminal   cd  to that location and do   rm -rf  name of folder
[14:22] <sebsebseb> harjot: on the desktop since three years of  support for the desktop
[14:22] <coz_> uLinux,  that would be    sudo   rm -rf  nameof directory
[14:22] <uLinux> coz_ yes but why doesnt ubuntu delete it automatically when I removed it?
[14:23] <coz_> uLinux,  well I noticed that in the home directory  some configuration files may be left over from an uninstall
[14:23] <uLinux> yes
[14:23] <iceroot> uLinux: because you are using it "wrong" witouht --purge apt-get is not removing conffiles
[14:23] <tzanger> morning. Is there a quick dbus command or something I can run to tell NetworkManager that yes, I am connected to the internet, just not through one of its managed interfaces?
[14:23] <uLinux> iceroot I used ubuntu software center to uninstall it
[14:23] <tzanger> I'm connected through my cell phone (bnep0) but networkmanager doesn't know about it, and apps that check if the network is connected don't even try to work
[14:23] <tzanger> but things like chrome and ssh work fine
[14:23] <iceroot> uLinux: there should be also the option for purge
[14:24] <uLinux> iceroot  just a Remove button
[14:24] <harjot> sebsebseb: ?
[14:24] <iceroot> uLinux: hm, dont know, i never use a gui for sotware-management
[14:24] <uLinux> :P
[14:24] <yofel> software center can't purge packages, use synaptic for that
[14:25] <uLinux> oh
[14:25] <iceroot> uLinux: or use apt-get directly
[14:25] <uLinux> "sudo apt-get remove --purge"
[14:25] <iceroot> uLinux: + packagename
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> rember that purging will not get rid of user configs. :)
[14:26] <uLinux> "sudo apt-get remove --purge teamspeak"
[14:26] <uLinux> Dr_Willis  yes but synaptic take care of it too
[14:26] <uLinux> :P
[14:26] <iceroot> uLinux: i guess its called teamspeak-client and teamspeak-server
[14:26] <uLinux> ye
[14:26] <Dr_Willis> uLinux:  err not  configs in the users home dirs.. it wont..
[14:27] <iceroot> uLinux: its only removing conffiles which are created with postinst, rules and so on, nothing you created by starting the program like configs in the home-dir
[14:27] <uLinux> i just a command so it deletes the application folder
[14:28] <uLinux> automatically
[14:28] <uLinux> i can move it to trash
[14:28] <C_h0use> Has anyone noticed if 10.04 has lost some support for usb wifi adapter's?
[14:28] <iceroot> C_h0use: #ubuntu+1
[14:29] <uLinux> Dr_Willis  iceroot so software center uses purge... it's the same thing
[14:29] <uLinux> because it's already deleted and didnt delete config files
[14:29] <iceroot> uLinux: i told you already what purge is doing
[14:29] <uLinux> ok iceroot
[14:29] <uLinux> u just dont use gui :P
[14:30] <uLinux> So the only way to remove EVERYTHING related with the application it's by deleting the folder/config manually
[14:31] <uLinux> btw can you tell me what's folder containing default wallpapers?
[14:32] <delac> any thoughts why: "sudo pkill -9 -u USERNAME PROCESSNAME" has no effect while sudo kill PID works?
[14:33] <uLinux> found it.
[14:33] <uLinux> /usr/share/backgrounds/
[14:33] <alien260> delac: just use kill -9 PROCESSNAME
[14:34] <delac> alien260: i'd like to kill the processes only for certain user
[14:34] <dn5> hi to all
[14:34] <delac> alien260: and does processname work with kill?
[14:35] <dn5> anyone know how to see process running over terminal?
[14:35] <Curly_Q> Dn5      top
[14:35] <dn5> Curly_Q thanks :)
[14:35] <erUSUL> dn5: ps aux
[14:35] <alien260> delac: I think it would be kill -9 -u Userid PROCESSNAME
[14:36] <alien260> delac: else why not use top or htop (if u have it installed)
[14:37] <delac> alien260: well kill doesnt seem to understand PROCESSNAMES. only pkill can do that
[14:37] <G_A_C> delac: killall uses process names, then kills all PIDs matching that name. kill can only use PIDs as otherwise it has no way of distinguishing between multiple processes with the same name
[14:37] <erUSUL> delac: "pkill processname"
[14:37] <alien260> delac: my bad i mean process ID .. u can find the id by using top
[14:38] <delac> I need to kill several processes of same name
[14:38] <delac> for certain user
[14:38] <delac> any thoughts why: "sudo pkill -9 -u USERNAME PROCESSNAME" has no effect while sudo kill PID works?
[14:40] <uLinux> To make a wallpaper show in Wallpapers list how can I do it..
[14:40] <uLinux> ?
[14:40] <uLinux> i cant copy the image to backgrounds folder
[14:40] <uLinux> maybe it's im not root
[14:40] <erUSUL> uLinux: use sudo ? (if it is a system folder)
[14:40] <Curly_Q> Delac, if I may use the illustration: Using a hand gun will find its direct target which is the sudo pkill -9 USERNAME PROCESSNAME but using a shotgun will get them all such as sudo kill PID.
[14:41] <chrometiger> has anyone got the World Of Warcraft Steelseries mouse to work on ubuntu ?     or know how to set the 17 buttons on it for WoW
[14:42] <delac> Curly_Q: don't you mean the other way around?
[14:42] <psycho_oreos> -9 is probably one of the highest execution an user can do when terminating a task, usually kill/pkill would issue something else apart from -9
[14:42] <H-carpediem-2010> this channel is official ubuntu, but... i need a serial number of adobe cs5 master extended edition...
[14:42] <H-carpediem-2010> ... i no espeack a good inglish!
[14:42] <jumbers> !piracy | H-carpediem-2010
[14:42] <H-carpediem-2010> im from Brasil! what is chaneel hel-pme?
[14:42] <delac> psycho_oreos: yes, and i dont really need it, but nothing seems to kill the processes with pkill
[14:43] <bazhang> H-carpediem-2010, that is offtopic on this channel and this network. Please don't ask again
[14:43] <jumbers> H-carpediem-2010: Nobody is going to help you pirate software
[14:43] <H-carpediem-2010> bazhang: ok
[14:43] <H-carpediem-2010> !guedelines
[14:43] <H-carpediem-2010> !040
[14:43] <H-carpediem-2010> tx
[14:43] <psycho_oreos> delac, well I'd resort to -9 last where possible
[14:44] <tenmiles> chrometiger: i use xmodmap, xdotool, and xbindkeys to get my g5 mouse buttons working. I'm fairly certain you don't need all of those, but in there somewhere should be your solution
[14:44] <crazyman> how to exit the chat-room?
[14:44] <delac> psycho_oreos: yes, but using the command "sudo pkill -u USERNAME PROCESSNAME" will also do nothing
[14:44] <H-carpediem-2010> ¶:(~~
[14:44] <tenmiles> chrometiger: and xev will show you what the buttons are called when you press them
[14:44] <jumbers> crazyman: Usually /quit
[14:45] <Buhmillion> hey guys, how do i change the resolution of the startup screen?
[14:45] <psycho_oreos> delac, well I hardly use pkill much, I use kill myself and if I were to try and resolve pid names I'd enclose it in pidof
[14:45] <chrometiger> k thanks thats at least one step closer
[14:45] <crazyman> use /quit will close the connect
[14:46] <Buhmillion> hey guys, how do i change the resolution of the startup screen?
[14:46] <jumbers> crazyman: You just want to close the one channel? Then use /part
[14:46] <Curly_Q> Delac, check this URL:   http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/kill-a-process-by-process-name-from-ubuntu-command-line/
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> Buhmillion:  you mean the GDM LOGIN screen? or the grub menu screen>
[14:46] <crazyman> yes ,thank you
[14:47] <Buhmillion> neither, the purple screen (in lucid) that says ubuntu with the dots
[14:48] <kasun> hello,
[14:49] <stijn> Buhmillion, if you have an nvidia card you can forget it, i tried and i ended up with plymouth totally screwed up
[14:49] <Buhmillion> darn it, i have the 240
[14:49] <stijn> yeah i have nvidia to
[14:49] <delac> psycho_oreos: pidof seemd like good idea, but it lacks the user selection...
[14:49] <Buhmillion> but, it was working at the correct resolution until i installed nvidia drivers
[14:50] <psycho_oreos> delac, well yes, I'm a bit old fashioned, in that case I would have hacked up a simple one liner with awk
[14:50] <stijn> seems that nvidia and plymouth are not to best buddy's, ubuntu startup screen was good after install but once i activated nvidia drivers it went to a low resolution
[14:51] <Buhmillion> me too. And since i have the partition encrypted, i stay on that screen for a while, and want it to look pretty
[14:51] <delac> psycho_oreos: :) i'd like to have something i can remeber
[14:51] <stijn> you could try to fiddle with it but be warned, i had to reinstall ubunut because i made a real mess of it. In the end the screen was gone and booting took 5mins :-))
[14:52] <Buhmillion> ohh, well i just made a pretty skiddie edit using startup-manager, lets see how it goes
[14:53] <alessandro_> Hello, guys. Ther's any italian?
[14:53] <alessandro_> (I'm italian and i've got a problem)
[14:53] <venu> i have one doubt "is there any alternative software for mp3compressor in ubuntu"
[14:53] <alien260> alessandro_: #ubuntu-it
[14:54] <alessandro_> ok, thx
[14:55] <delac> HA! ok, the problem seemed to be the fact that the processname i was trying to kill contained '-' and pkill didn't like that...
[14:55] <psycho_oreos> delac, maybe sudo pkill -KILLSPEC -u USERNAME PROCESS_NAME ?
[14:55] <delac> psycho_oreos: got it allready... :)
[14:56] <delac> psycho_oreos: HA! ok, the problem seemed to be the fact that the processname i was trying to kill contained '-' and pkill didn't like that...
[14:56] <psycho_oreos> delac, meh in that case you'll need to kill it by the numbers
[14:56] <psycho_oreos> delac, yes I just saw that
[14:56] <delac> psycho_oreos: well. striping the processname down to the part that didnt contain the '-' did the trick. pkill can handle partial processnames
[14:57] <Buhmillion> hi, the edit with startup-manager seemed to do the trick on my nvidia card
[15:02] <yogesh712harish> hello frnds can anybody tell me about..how to create iso images in ubuntu 9.04
[15:03] <rodox> I don't understand this error: $sudo pon - $/usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> yogesh712harish:  iso images for what purpose?
[15:04] <yogesh712harish> Dr_willis: i want iso image of XP2 so that i can use it in Virtual box
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> yogesh712harish:  you want to make an ISO image of an existing cd/dvd you allready have?
[15:05] <yogesh712harish> Dr_Willis: yes sir
[15:05] <Zider> what is XP2?
[15:05] <yogesh712harish> Windows Service pack 2
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> yogesh712harish:  command like -->   dd if=/dev/cdrom of=thedisk.iso       can do that.
[15:06] <SpaceCowboy40404> anyone know how I can easily transfer all my music from a windows vista pc over to this ubuntu pc?
[15:06] <yogesh712harish> Dr_willis: thank you sir...let me try this
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> SpaceCowboy40404:  access the remote box by samba, or using winscp/ssh and copy the files over.
[15:06] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: via samba ? or ftp. filzilla ftp server for windows can be intalled in a few minutes. then copy all music
[15:07] <SpaceCowboy40404> which of those methods are the easiest
[15:07] <SpaceCowboy40404> if it can go wrong for me it will :)
[15:09] <SpaceCowboy40404> do i need to put filzilla client on windows or filezilla server?
[15:10] <bastid_raZor> SpaceCowboy40404: use winscp on windows
[15:10] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: ssh + winscp seems the best option. Dr_Willis bastid_raZor tyvm
[15:11] <SpaceCowboy40404> thanks for the advice... will give them a try and come back when i mess it up :)
[15:12] <yogesh712harish> Dr_willis: are you there
[15:13] <yogesh712harish> Dr_Willis: i have fired the command but the cursor is only hanging there
[15:14] <yogesh712harish> can anybody help me for creating iso image.
[15:14] <felon> anyone running 10.04
[15:15] <erUSUL> yogesh712harish: sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=thedisk.iso  && sudo chowo $USER:$USER thedisk.iso
[15:15] <erUSUL> yogesh712harish: sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=thedisk.iso  && sudo chown $USER:$USER thedisk.iso
[15:15] <erUSUL> sorry typo
[15:15] <yogesh712harish> hello guys can anyone help me for crating iso image in ubuntu 9.04
[15:16] <ugliefrog> Im running 10.04
[15:16] <h00k> ugliefrog: Lucid discussion is on #ubuntu+1
[15:16] <yogesh712harish> erUSUL: i will try it
[15:16] <erUSUL> yogesh712harish: also you can use brasero or any other burning program to create an iso
[15:16] <h00k> also, felon ^
[15:17] <felon> how is it going ?
[15:17] <felon> smoothly ..
[15:17] <felon> oO
[15:18] <coachj> cd ripper doesn't show mp3 as choice how do I add?
[15:18] <yogesh712harish> erUsul: thank you sir...
[15:18] <erUSUL> yogesh712harish: no problem
[15:18] <h00k> coachj: I think you need to install lame
[15:19] <coachj> i thnik it is installed but ill look
[15:19] <erUSUL> coachj: install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[15:20] <erUSUL> coachj: or directly ubuntu-resticted-extras
[15:22] <SpaceCowboy40404> alright i have sshd and winscp both installed on my windows machine, how does this work?
[15:22] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: ypu need sshd in the ubuntu mchine
[15:22] <_picAssO_> is there a script that aligns the chat window in irssi? i don't like this ragged margin...
[15:22] <erUSUL> !sshd
[15:23] <SpaceCowboy40404> erusul: do i install it through synaptic?
[15:23] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: yes you can install it via synaptic
[15:23] <_picAssO_> SpaceCowboy40404: you can
[15:24] <bastid_raZor> _picAssO_: i'm sure there is.. you could ask i #irssi
[15:24] <root____> y0
[15:24] <erUSUL> _picAssO_: it depends on the theme ? doesn't it ?
[15:24] <h00k> _picAssO_: I think it's nm.pl
[15:24] <_picAssO_> bastid_raZor: ok
[15:24] <mylisto> arggh
[15:24] <_picAssO_> h00k: i will try that; thanks both of you
[15:24] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: done... now what
[15:25] <mylisto> is it just me, or is audio a HUGE issue with ubuntu? I'm running 8.04
[15:25] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: use winscp in windows to connect to the ubuntu box
[15:25] <SpaceCowboy40404> how?
[15:26] <SpaceCowboy40404> when i open winscp it is asking for a hostname, port number, username and password and private key file
[15:26] <mylisto> alls I'm trying to do is to use my usb headset for audio as my on board jacks are busted...
[15:26] <erUSUL> hostname is ubuntu ip port number leave it blank it will use default. username and password use tyour user's one
[15:26] <bastid_raZor> SpaceCowboy40404: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/getting_started
[15:27] <mylisto> I am a complete noob with ubuntu...I am sooo agravated at this point
[15:27] <aar> I have a bash script containing a loop that is applied to *.pdf. How should I use the command "find" and the option "-exec" to run this loop recursively in all subdirectories?
[15:27] <erUSUL> mylisto: i would use a newer ubuntu version usb audio is better with latest pulseaudio afaik
[15:28] <mylisto> erusul: do I have to upgrade my ubuntu or can I just upgrade pulseaudio?
[15:28] <SpaceCowboy40404> connection is timing out...
[15:28] <SpaceCowboy40404> correct ip, correct username and password as well
[15:28] <erUSUL> mylisto: as i said; i would install 9.10 or even the 10.04 RC ( which is LTS like 8.04 )
[15:29] <mylisto> lts?
[15:29] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: is sshd running in ubuntu ?
[15:29] <erUSUL> !lts
[15:29] <soreau> !lts
[15:29] <erUSUL> mylisto: luicd comes out in 29th this month
[15:29] <SpaceCowboy40404> i installed it.... does it run automatically or do i have to launch it?
[15:30] <mylisto> erusul: whats the chance that if I upgrade to 9.04 that I will some issues?
[15:30] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: do "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart" just in case
[15:30] <erUSUL> mylisto: dunno; i have no problems with distupgrades; but others have ...
[15:30] <mylisto> also sometimes my laptop shuts down once in a while (no battery) and the connection with the ac adapter is shoddy...
[15:31] <mylisto> could this be an issue with an upgrade?
[15:31] <mylisto> and also can I "downgrade" back to 8.04 if I need to?
[15:31] <delac> mylisto: allways before upgrade try the live-cd to see that everything works ok
[15:31] <erUSUL> mylisto: well an uncluen shutdown during upgrade can be dangerous ...
[15:31] <mylisto> hmm...
[15:31] <SpaceCowboy40404> do i uyse my internal network ip for the ubuntu machine in winscp or do i use my external ip?
[15:31] <delac> mylisto: and no, you cant 'rollback'
[15:31] <zerty> hi
[15:32] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: internal (LAN) ip
[15:32] <coachj> how do I know if I have the ubuntu restricted extras enabled?
[15:32] <mylisto> seems like sound issues are hard as hell to fix in ubuntu
[15:32] <norbi905> Hello.  I hope I can get an answer to my question here, as in #pekwm I wasn't able to.  I did an Ubuntu minimal install, after which I installed PekWM window manager.  I'm having trouble setting up dual display with this window manager.  Maybe someone who uses it can give me a little hint.  Thank you.
[15:32] <hmw> coachj: did you install them?
[15:32] <amikrop> Hello. Since I changed something in plugin options of Audacious, I can't play songs with it by double clicking on them. I only can open Audacious and then drag them into the playlist.
[15:33] <amikrop> Any help, please?
[15:33] <mylisto> I need to know if I need the x86 version of 9.04 or the 64bit
[15:33] <mylisto> how can I find this out in term?
[15:33] <coachj> hmw: can't remember hoe do i check?
[15:33] <delac> mylisto: do you have 64-bit cpu?
[15:33] <mylisto> not sure delac
[15:33] <SpaceCowboy40404> still getting connection timed out
[15:33] <mylisto> when I did uname -a
[15:33] <mylisto> I got this
[15:34] <delac> mylisto: what cpu do you have?
[15:34] <mylisto> Linux mylisto-laptop 2.6.27-17-generic #1 SMP Wed Jan 27 23:14:44 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:34] <mylisto> not sure delac:
[15:34] <hmw> coachj: hmm try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:34] <delac> mylisto: open up the system monitor and look at the first tab
[15:35] <zerty> hi
[15:35] <zerty> i got 2 disk
[15:35] <mylisto> shows proc 0: intel core duo
[15:35] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: still getting connection timed out
[15:35] <mylisto> and proc 1 intel core duo
[15:35] <zerty> i want to install all software on the second disk
[15:35] <delac> mylisto: well core duos are 64-bit enabled
[15:35] <zerty> is that possible ?
[15:35] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: do you have a firewall in ubuntu ?
[15:35] <delac> mylisto: so you can use 64-bit ubuntu if you want
[15:35] <gimmickless_> morning y'all
[15:36] <ivanatwork> what podcast manager / viewer should I use? (gnome)
[15:36] <delac> mylisto: but you can use 32bit too
[15:36] <SpaceCowboy40404> just the default one... ufw... should i disable it?
[15:36] <scunizi> gimmickless_: you must be a west coaster
[15:36] <mylisto> would either make a diff?
[15:36] <mylisto> ie which one would be faster?
[15:36] <|crck|> morning..
[15:36] <delac> mylisto: how much ram you got?
[15:36] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: yes or configure it to allow ssh connections in
[15:36] <gimmickless_> scunizi: south Florida, actually
[15:36] <mylisto> 2 gigs
[15:36] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: disable then cause i dont know how to do that
[15:37] <delac> mylisto: then not much difference
[15:37] <scunizi> mylisto: depends.. on what you're doing .. video ? then 64 bit.. email & internet? won't matter
[15:37] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: but for a quck and dirt file copy operation seems better to just disable it for a while
[15:37] <coachj> lmw guess they werent installed
[15:37] <delac> mylisto: if you have over 4GB ram, then there is going to be difference
[15:37] <scunizi> gimmickless_: ah.. I'm -3 hrs
[15:37] <mylisto> so should I stick with the 32 bit?
[15:37] <delac> mylisto: well actually over 3GB
[15:37] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: ok i did sudo ufw disable
[15:38] <Eric^-> Drupal or Joomla, what's the easiest for a complete newbie?
[15:38] <scunizi> Eric^-: Joomla
[15:39] <delac> mylisto: no problems with that
[15:39] <mylisto> so it shouldn't make a diff?
[15:39] <mylisto> ok good...
[15:39] <|crck|> Drupal still nice i think...
[15:39] <devunt> yey
[15:39] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL:  connection timed out again
[15:39] <devunt> ubuntu 10.04 beta 2!
[15:39] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: :/
[15:39] <delac> mylisto: not really unless you plan on buying more ram in the future
[15:39] <devunt> Lucid Lynx!
[15:39] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL:  disabled my router firewall as well
[15:40] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: no need to do that
[15:40] <zerty> hi
[15:40] <zerty> i got 2 disk
[15:40] <zerty> i want to install all software on the second disk
[15:40] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL:  let me restart machine to make sure ufw is disabled
[15:40] <zerty> is that possible ?
[15:40] <SpaceCowboy40404> brb
[15:40] <FloodBot1> zerty: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:40] <gimmickless_> Man, the funniest thing happened to me this morning.  I ain't used my printer (HP J6400 series) in a month or so.  Now the damn thing won't print.  hpsetup doesn't even find a printer anymore.
[15:40] <mark2> can i get ubuntu support here ?
[15:41] <mylisto> delac: sorry its late here...so I should just stick with the 64 bit?
[15:41] <ivanatwork> mark2, just ask ;)
[15:41] <erUSUL> zerty: if you mount /usr/ on the second disk that would have the same effect
[15:41] <delac> mylisto: its up to you :)
[15:41] <mylisto> um ok...
[15:41] <zerty> sorry erUSUL
[15:41] <mylisto> these sound issues are driving me nuts!
[15:41] <zerty> ??????
[15:41] <ivanatwork> what shoul I use to view podcasts?
[15:41] <scunizi> gimmickless_: reinstall the drivers.... there's been a couple of cups updates that might have thrown a monkey wrench in the mix.. take a look at http://localhost:631 and try a test print from there.
[15:41] <delac> mylisto: what kind of issues?
[15:42] <mylisto> um, sound not working ;)
[15:42] <mylisto> what is the best sound system to use on ubuntu?
[15:42] <delac> mylisto: not at all? what sound card you got?
[15:42] <mylisto> oss, alsa or pulse?
[15:42] <waqas> gfgd
[15:42] <mark2> can anyone help me, i have installed linux and when i reboot it doesnt load linux it just goes straight into windows, and then when i go into the bios and try change the root prioriety to the hard drive i installed linux on it says, please insert a CD to boot
[15:42] <mark2> thanks ivanatwork
[15:42] <mylisto> delac: my onboard jacks are busted...
[15:42] <mylisto> so I'm using a gigaware usb headset
[15:42] <waqas> Hellow
[15:43] <waqas> is there any one!
[15:43] <Engrish_Man> anyone on irssi
[15:43] <Zider> <- irssi
[15:43] <waqas> i am from Pakistan
[15:43] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: ok restarted... what was that sudo command to make sure ssh is running
[15:43] <mylisto> if I go to sound preferences I can select c-media usb (alsa) or (oss) and click test and it works.can hear the tone
[15:43] <xangua> mark2: you inserted the CD to boot, and then what happened¿
[15:43] <scunizi> Engrish_Man: :))
[15:43] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404:  "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[15:43] <mylisto> but no youtube sound....for somereason it was workign yesterday...and then its gone
[15:43] <Engrish_Man> Zider: how can i change between channels ?? can you do that..?
[15:43] <SpaceCowboy40404> nm it says ssh agent is running in my system monitor
[15:44] <delac> mylisto: well cant help much with that... try burning the latest lucid on cd and see if it works better there
[15:44] <Engrish_Man> scunizi: I can be a big engrish guy sometimes
[15:44] <scunizi> Engrish_Man: alt + right or left arrow
[15:44] <Zider> Engrish_Man: alt+the number of the channel
[15:44] <gimmickless_> scunizi: localhost:631/admin doesn't find a printer either
[15:44] <scunizi> gimmickless_: try reinstalling it.. that'll probably fix it.
[15:45] <danny0205> hello everyone, I'm new
[15:45] <mylisto> which is the latest one delac:?
[15:45] <bastid_raZor> Engrish_Man: /window numberofwindow  .. also i think /w may work for shorthand
[15:45] <cwraig> mark2: have a look and try to find out which drive is your primary master (for old ide drives) or for the first sata disk cause thats where the linux bootloader will be installed
[15:45] <Engrish_Man> Ok it works ... thx guys
[15:45] <ivanatwork> mark2, you have to install Ubuntu in one partition and to tell GRUB (or the bootloader) what to do ... is GRUB the problem?
[15:45] <cwraig> mark2: you could just keep changing your boot disk until you find ubuntu
[15:45] <delac> mylisto: Lucid 10.04, but its still RC and the final will be releaced at 29.4.
[15:46] <mylisto> rc?
[15:46] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: it is connecting now, but is saying access is denied due to password error... I am using the same password I use to login on this machine?
[15:46] <delac> mylisto: releace candidate
[15:46] <erUSUL> yes
[15:46] <scunizi> Engrish_Man: irssi can be split horizontally so you can watch several channels at the same time.
[15:46] <erUSUL> and the same username SpaceCowboy40404
[15:46] <delac> mylisto: its allmost as good as the final version
[15:46] <Engrish_Man> scunizi: orly...? where can i do that
[15:46] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: spelling error i think just a sec
[15:46] <gimmickless_> re-install cups, you mean?
[15:46] <delac> mylisto: you can test with it, but dont install it yet
[15:47] <Engrish_Man> scunizi: i guess i can also change the default colors
[15:47] <mark2> i think the dvd drive is the main IDE drive, but as far as i know thats not being used cause im using SATA, as far as i can see i have tried to boot from all the drives without success
[15:47] <delac> mylisto: wait for the final before installing
[15:47] <scunizi> Engrish_Man: "help window"  or rather /help window in irssi
[15:47] <zerty> chroot for what ?
[15:47] <Engrish_Man> ok thx!
[15:47] <mylisto> think I will just use 9.04
[15:47] <mylisto> I'm still at 8.04
[15:47] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: haha spelling error.. apperantly it is case speccific
[15:47] <zerty> pivotroot for  what ?
[15:47] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL:  im in now
[15:48] <mark2> also... i dont know what grub is , im still very new to this
[15:48] <erUSUL> SpaceCowboy40404: well copy the files now ;)
[15:48] <SpaceCowboy40404> erUSUL: yep copying now thanks for help
[15:48] <Engrish_Man> scunizi: i was trying that help command .... but everytime i was on a channel not in the status screen now that i can change between channels i can reach for the status screen :-D
[15:49] <delac> mylisto: 9.04 is very outdated allready! (i know, i'm using it myself :) ) for example firefox in the 9.04 doesn't receive security updates anymore
[15:49] <iceroot> delac: sure it does
[15:49] <delac> iceroot: the default firefox 3.0?
[15:49] <iceroot> delac: for 3.0 patches are backported, for 3.5 there are still patches
[15:49] <iceroot> delac: yes, for both are still security-updates
[15:49] <mylisto> delac: is there a newer version?
[15:49] <mylisto> other than the lucid one?
[15:50] <delac> iceroot: oh, my bad
[15:50] <delac> mylisto: for what, firefox?
[15:50] <iceroot> delac: also lenny is using ff3.0 (iceweasel) too, there are security-updates too
[15:50] <mylisto> er, for ubuntu?
[15:51] <delac> mylisto: newest  stable ubuntu is Karmic 9.10
[15:51] <delac> iceroot: who is doing these security updates? as far as i know, Mozilla does not
[15:52] <gimmickless_> scunizi: Re-installed CUPS. localhost:631/admin still not finding a printer.
[15:52] <mark2> im just gonna go try change my boot prioriety and then see if that works ... :)
[15:52] <iceroot> delac: debian-security-maintainer
[15:53] <scunizi> gimmickless_: didn't mean reinstall cups.. reinstall the printer.. don't wait for automatic recognition
[15:53] <iceroot> delac: they are backporting patches from 3.5 for 3.0
[15:53] <echosystm> i need a new laptop and i need it to run ubuntu flawlessly
[15:53] <echosystm> help
[15:53] <andiolsi> hi, what do i need to do to make my radeon hd5870 display port run my 30" at 2560x1600 under 9.10 64bit?  as a long time debian user i would now procede to let packages be packages and compile my own kernel and create my own xorg.conf.  is there a shorter way in ubuntu?
[15:53] <iceroot> echosystm: choose a laptop and then look if it is running ubuntu
[15:53] <andiolsi> i installed the fglrx driver via gui as per recommendation, but i get a "AMD unsupported hardware" logo.
[15:54] <andiolsi> and my mouse pointer is gone
[15:54] <echosystm> isnt there anywhere saying laptops that run awesome?
[15:54] <acicula> andiolsi: System->administration->hardware drivers
[15:54] <delac> iceroot: i would think that might be problematic at times... but if they can do it, so why not :)
[15:54] <andiolsi> echosystm: my x301 works just fine
[15:54] <rodox> somebody have experience with 3g modem?
[15:54] <acicula> andiolsi: there is no need to (re)build a kernel
[15:54] <iceroot> !hardware | echosystm
[15:54] <acicula> rodox: yes, but better to just ask about/describe your problem
[15:55] <iceroot> !anyone | rodox
[15:55] <cwraig2> echosystm, ive got a asus g60jx no issues
[15:55] <andiolsi> acicula: my first guess would be a too old fglrx driver in 9.10 mainline
[15:55] <iceroot> delac: its working fine
[15:55] <ubuntubama> Enter text here...
[15:55] <penocio> is there ANY way to convert ext3 to fat32 without loosing data?
[15:55] <acicula> andiolsi: have you tried the current driver?
[15:55] <rodox> ubottu: a bot without answers
[15:56] <andiolsi> acicula: yes, that displays a "AMD Unsupported Hardware" Logo in the lower left corner of X
[15:56] <andiolsi> lower right
[15:56] <acicula> andiolsi: and the open source driver does not provide the resolution that you want?
[15:57] <acicula> andiolsi: there may be a flgrx in the backports, there should be a newer in the 10.04 ubuntu version comming in a week
[15:57] <ravenkhan> please tell me how can i standy my sytem
[15:57] <ravenkhan> in  ubuntu 9.1
[15:57] <andiolsi> acicula: if i install the 10.04 beta now, will it bee a seemles apt-get dist-upgrade to next weeks version?
[15:57] <iceroot> andiolsi: yes
[15:58] <ravenkhan>  please tell me how can i standy my sytem
[15:58] <acicula> andiolsi: well its still beta, but yeah you can update to the final 10.04 revision
[15:58] <andiolsi> so no need playing around with 9.10 :p
[15:58] <ravenkhan>  please tell me how can i standby my sytem
[15:58] <acicula> andiolsi: well it is still a release candidate, they are still ironing out, at least one, serious bugs
[15:58] <maco> ravenkhan: should be a suspend option in the dropdown in far top right corner
[15:59] <ravenkhan> maco :yeah but that doesnot put laptop into low power state
[15:59] <peturi> Hi, i'm looking for a user friendly backup application for my girlfriend.. any suggestions?
[15:59] <acicula> andiolsi: its worth a try for sure at least, given that 9.10 is about as hold as the 5xxx series it wouldnt be surprising it lacks recent fglrx binary drivers from amd that support the hd5xxx
[15:59] <ravenkhan> maaco :i mean by standby that low power state
[15:59] <maco> ravenkhan: oh do you want hibernate?
[15:59] <andiolsi> acicula: ah, i dont care about "stability", ran debian unstable for years.  dpkg --force-all is my best friend
[16:00] <ravenkhan> maco : no
[16:00] <maco> ravenkhan: the one that takes a while and is practically off?
[16:00] <acicula> well debian unstable is kind of, stable /
[16:00] <maco> ravenkhan: well suspend (low power, fast resume) and hibernate (no power, slow resume) are the two options
[16:00] <andiolsi> hence the double quotes
[16:00] <ravenkhan> maco : no not hibernate ....standby mode in which all orocesses run
[16:00] <acicula> andiolsi: liking the edge huh, try gentoo with nightly builds ;)
[16:01] <andiolsi> acicula: gentoo is pain, the installation rules though
[16:01] <maco> ravenkhan: i dont know of anything like that at all... wouldnt that just be "on" if there are processes still running?
[16:01] <ravenkhan> maco: all processes are active but screen is off and on pressing any key turn lap on
[16:01] <maco> ravenkhan: so just blanking the screen?
[16:01] <acicula> andiolsi: it rules if you can enjoy yourself an entire afternoon watching code compile and drinking beer
[16:01] <papa> moi j'ai un eeepc qui dechire
[16:01] <maco> ravenkhan: thatd be in screensaver settings...
[16:01] <acicula> which is off course awesome
[16:01] <maco> !fr | papa
[16:01] <papa> franchement pas besoin de plus
[16:01] <andiolsi> is that the proper image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[16:01] <ronnie> I have installed ubuntu 9.10 inside Vista After reboot I typed my admin number correctly
[16:01] <ronnie> but
[16:02] <ravenkhan> maco : no have you seen standby mide in windows XP?
[16:02] <guntbert> !ot | andiolsi
[16:02] <acicula> andiolsi: err bett grab the rc from the frontpage instead of the daily live
[16:02] <maco> ravenkhan: not in a few years
[16:02] <acicula> the rc works for sure, the daily build ymmv ?
[16:02] <islington> hello I have the package called "inkscape" installed from the official repositories; I found the nightly builds of this package, but I dont want to get rid of the repository version; anyway to install the deb and not have it replace the current version? install it somewhere else maybe?
[16:02] <papa> sorry
[16:02] <maco> islington: nope
[16:02] <ravenkhan> maco : not aware of standby mode then
[16:02] <ronnie> I have installed ubuntu 9.10 inside Vista After reboot I typed my admin number but got an error message. Can anyone help?
[16:03] <ronnie> ubuntu would not start
[16:03] <acicula> islington: well you can drop it in your home and call it with full paths, but it requires some effort to prevent conflicts and library mixups
[16:03] <islington> maco: anyway to rename the package so that naming is not the same: something like inkscape-nightly?
[16:03] <ravenkhan> maco : actually in standby all processes run but the system is in low power state but in suspend here in ubuntu system gets logout
[16:03] <Engrish_Man> "all your ubuntu are belong to win vista"
[16:03] <maco> ravenkhan: whatever it is, i guess it doesnt exist here. the way you're describing it though sounds like "turn on good power management settings & blank the screen" which since we already have dynamic cpu allocation enabled, the "good power management settings" part should already be there
[16:03] <maco> islington: the issue is they use the same files on teh system
[16:03] <acicula> islington: the problem is not just the package name but they probably also try to change the same files
[16:03]  * acicula high fives maco
[16:03] <bluebaron> is 10.04 released yet?
[16:04] <acicula> bluebaron: nope, on a release candidate atm
[16:04] <xangua> no
[16:04] <maco> ravenkhan: you shouldnt be logged out on suspend, just screensaver enabled (possibly with screen lock though?)
[16:04] <bluebaron> it's out tomorrow right?
[16:04] <xangua> no
[16:04] <acicula> bluebaron: its out on the 29th
[16:04] <andiolsi> acicula: is there some kind of netinstall image for 10.04?
[16:04] <islington> hmm, I guess I will install the nighly version on a virtual machine thanks acicula maco
[16:04] <bluebaron> eff my life
[16:04] <acicula> andiolsi: eh yeah without a doubt
[16:04] <maco> andiolsi: yeah lemme find it
[16:04] <ravenkhan> maco : yeah i suspend it just get locked but no reduction in power consumption
[16:05] <acicula> andiolsi: the netboot iso maybe missing but there should be netboot kernel+initrd images
[16:05] <ravenkhan> maco : and in hibernate system gets shutdown with processes settings saved
[16:05] <norbi> I don't think I have my dual display set-up correctly.  I'm using Ubuntu minimal install with PekWM window manager and bmpanel2 as my panel.  They both treat my dual display as one big screen, even though nvidia I have it set up as Twinview.  The panel goes along both screens.  Now, when I start nvidis-settings, all open windows move to one display, and my panel also moves to only one of the displays.  This only happens
[16:05] <acicula> andiolsi: you can typically find them hiding away in the release trees under x/y/z/1/null/null/nowehere/netboot
[16:05] <acicula> takes a bit of digging
[16:05] <ravenkhan> maco : i need one in which power consumption less with processes running not like suspend in which only system gets locked
[16:06] <andiolsi> acicula: meh.   whats the name of that windows usb stick install thingy?
[16:06] <acicula> unetbootin
[16:06] <acicula> oh windows
[16:06] <andiolsi> exactly
[16:06] <acicula> err
[16:06] <acicula> unetbootin?
[16:06] <andiolsi> ye
[16:06] <maco> ravenkhan: no reduction in power consumption on suspend?
[16:07] <acicula> http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/433/unetbootin-windows-433.exe/download
[16:07] <ravenkhan> no  i dont think so
[16:07] <guntbert> ravenkhan: suspend = suspend to ram = nothing is running, the system needs only enough power to keep the RAM contents
[16:07] <maco> ravenkhan: that is a bad bug then. you're saying you can only stay suspended for about 2 hours from a full battery?
[16:07] <acicula> that cant be
[16:07] <maco> ravenkhan: ideally you should be able to stay suspended a few days from a full battery (though on my laptop it used to be 12hr and is now thankfully more like 24-30)
[16:07] <bastid_raZor> ravenkhan: suspend is like hibernate but writes to RAM instead of disk. both, technically, hibernate the box
[16:08] <maco> bastid_raZor: no
[16:08] <ravenkhan> ok
[16:08] <ravenkhan> then fine
[16:08] <maco> bastid_raZor: the system has to still use some power to keep the RAM awake. with hibernate it doesnt use any
[16:08] <ravenkhan> thanks
[16:08] <acicula> suspend means a total shutdown of the system bar power to the ram and some mainboard components?
[16:08] <maco> acicula: right
[16:08] <acicula> if your out of juice in suspend in 2hours then its not suspending
[16:08] <acicula> then its just idling along
[16:08] <ravenkhan> .fasinfo susmit
[16:09] <andiolsi> acicula: i was planning on using fluxbox as wm again, do you see any problem coming up with that?
[16:09] <maco> acicula: some hardware will refuse to shut down properly or the kernel wont know how to do it properly, and then you get cases like mine where suspend only lasts 12h, and thats something to file a bug about
[16:09] <acicula> andiolsi: a wm is just a wm, its horribly tiny and limited, but it'll move your windows?
[16:09] <maco> ravenkhan: please file a bug using the command "ubuntu-bug linux" if your system is not suspending properly
[16:10] <acicula> maco: ah like so, but then we are talking periphials that keep spinning, ussually not the cpu/chipset/hdd i'd assume?
[16:10] <andiolsi> acicula: i dont expect any problems, but maybe some of the gui-tools of ubuntu require gnome as wm?
[16:10] <acicula> andiolsi: gnome is not a wm, you can run gnome on top of fluxbox
[16:11] <maco> ravenkhan: also, there is a suspend & hibernate test script at /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/suspend_test you can run to get more diagnostic info to give to the developers
[16:11] <andiolsi> acicula: so whats the default wm for ubuntu?
[16:11] <acicula> though if you have a 30" screen, a hd5870 you will have the matching set no doubt, so why'd youd want to bother with fluxbox ..
[16:11] <bastid_raZor> maco: correct, i knew it in my head correctly but bad head to mouth(finger) tranfer
[16:11] <acicula> andiolsi: metacity, or compiz for the whizbang flashy stuff
[16:11] <maco> andiolsi: compiz if you have a decent graphics card, metacity if you dont
[16:11] <Reckon> evening
[16:12] <devunt> How can I set the ubuntu default text editor?
[16:12] <andiolsi> i dont really need fancy graphics, i just want maximum visibility, so why waste it on window decorations and scrollbars? :)  i would use ion if it wouldnt suck
[16:12] <maco> acicula: could be anything depending on driver quality... cpu might be waking up constantly for no good reason
[16:12] <acicula> devunt: preferences defaults or application defaults or something to that extend
[16:12] <maco> devunt: right click on a text file -> preferences -> open with and set a new default
[16:12] <mark2> my situation is very weird, i have 3 hard drives, my windows harddrive, my linux harddrive and another hard drive, for some reason i could only boot linux when i booted from the other hard drive, it doesnt make sense, but i did manage to boot up lol
[16:13] <acicula> preferred applications, but it doesnt do the text file bindings
[16:13] <scunizi> mark2: grub was installed on the wrong drive.. or that drive was set to boot when you installed ubuntu..
[16:13] <scunizi> !grub2 | mark2
[16:14] <acicula> maco: ah i always assumed the suspend state effectively would cut power until poweron by the mobo based on some event, which admittedly requires something doing some processing somewhere i suppose
[16:14] <andiolsi> does 10.04 allready use upstart instead of init?
[16:14] <cwraig2> mark2, i just missed you before but during the ubunut install it picks the drive it thinks is the primary one and adds the tiny bootloader code to that disk so when it boots it can point to ubuntu
[16:14] <acicula> andiolsi: 9.10 already did
[16:14] <andiolsi> acicula: ic
[16:14] <maco> andiolsi: yes, so does 9.10
[16:15] <mark2> so you think it pointed to that drive cause that drive is formatted as fat 32 instead of ntfs ?
[16:15] <gimmickless_> scunizi: I am a moron.  Accidentally plugged the USB into the phone jack without looking. Issue fixed.
[16:15] <maco> mark2: possibly its the primary drive according to the bios?
[16:15] <mark2> thats possible
[16:15] <devunt> thanks, maco
[16:15] <acicula> andiolsi: old school rc.d stuff still lingers around though
[16:15] <poutine> gimmickless_, Don't forget to adjust the chin strap on your helmet
[16:15] <scunizi> mark2: LOL gimmickless_   I was going to suggest looking at the connections .. but figured that would be to basic.
[16:16] <andiolsi> btw, who comes up with those distro release names? are they related?
[16:16] <cwraig2> mark2, no its got nothing to do with the partitions, its in the part of the disk before the partitions
[16:16] <poutine> andiolsi, A sad sad furry
[16:16] <maco> andiolsi: did you want the net install iso as 32 or 64 bit?
[16:16] <mark2> i was kinda trying to partition linux onto one harddrive only, do you think these files on the hard drive are going to interfere with windows at all ?
[16:16] <maco> devunt: np
[16:16] <andiolsi> maco: already creating usb stick,  64bit
[16:16] <maco> andiolsi: oh you wanted usb? i thought you wanted net...
[16:17] <andiolsi> maco: yes, but the image was 70% finished at that point :p
[16:17] <maco> andiolsi: ah
[16:17] <BluesKaj> hey all
[16:18] <cwraig2> mark2, no they will not interfere, what happens is when your computer boots it reads the "boot sector"(a part of the hard disk) from your boot disk (set in bios) and that tells the computer how or what operating system to boot.
[16:18] <cwraig2> mark2, the boot sector is a reserved part of the drive that is only used for boot information so it is not affected by partitions.
[16:18] <azertuio> hi
[16:19] <azertuio> i got 3 partition
[16:19] <KiiK> hi, how to check what terminal I'm using
[16:19] <mark2> oh ok sweeet thanks, well for the record, linux seems to be running sweet! im digging it, and wow that into music kicks the ass of windows intro music, by sooooo much! thanks a lot for all your help guys, i hope that soon enough i will be able to contribute too,.. :)
[16:19] <azertuio> one is system installation partition second is unlocated third one is swap
[16:20] <andiolsi> if this works out okay i just might switch to full-time linux on my work laptop again. is there some community page for ubuntu on lenovo laptops? i remember having to do a _lot_ of configuring by hand to get buttons and stuff working properly
[16:20] <azertuio> i want to resize the system partition with the unallocated one
[16:20] <azertuio> how to do ?
[16:20] <cwraig2> mark2, nice
[16:20] <akshay> Hello people,recently purchased HP Touchsmart tm2...want to install Ubuntu on it...i need the following things on it.. pen and finger shud work for scrolling...and screen shud rotate when i press the key to it. also if possi switchable graphics card
[16:20] <mylisto> god I am really starting to hate ubuntu
[16:20] <akshay> it has wacom...i know that
[16:20] <Egonis> I'm running Ubuntu 10.4, and am trying to connect to a 40/128 WEP WiFi network, however am repeatedly prompted for the WEP key, although the same hardware running Win7 has no issues connecting. Is there a HOWTO? I am willing to create the connection manually
[16:20] <xangua> !lucid > Egonis
[16:21] <azertuio> hello
[16:21] <azertuio> i got 3 partition
[16:21] <azertuio> i want to resize the system partition with the unallocated one
[16:21] <Egonis> xangua: Yes, but Ubuntu 9.10 also had the same issue, I started using the new version hoping that this had changed
[16:21] <cwraig2> azertuio, i would use run sudo gparted from the live cd
[16:21] <mark2> cwraig2, just for the record, programs like mediaplayer classic, google chrome will i be able to use them on linux ?
[16:21] <netech> here's a silly question. I have a removable sata drive. I put the drive in and turn the key to lock it and spin up the drive. Now how do I know where to access it? Nothing new is showing up in my dmesg.
[16:21] <me__> hi
[16:21] <cwraig2> azertuio, backup first
[16:21] <azertuio> can't boot from live cde
[16:21] <randomusr_> is there a free voice server that I could install on my ubuntu box? or perhaps a paid server that I could interface with?
[16:21] <me__> is there something special abuot the way that ubuntu mounts fat partitions compared to otehr distros?
[16:21] <jimmyjh> im having a problem, trying to set up internet sharing but with no luck
[16:22] <azertuio> i want to do without booting from livecd
[16:22] <azertuio> how to do plz ?
[16:22] <akshay> Hello people,recently purchased HP Touchsmart tm2...want to install Ubuntu on it...i need the following things on it.. pen and finger shud work for scrolling...and screen shud rotate when i press the key to it. also if possi switchable graphics card
[16:22] <rdavila> Hi folks, I've a problem with an nvidia quadro nvs 140m video card on a ibm laptop model t61 15.4'
[16:22] <cwraig2> mark2, the short answer is no but there will be equivalents med player classic = vlc and as for chrome i think there are linux builds around but i dont know
[16:22] <rdavila> I can't set 12800x800 resolution
[16:23] <rdavila> I'm on Karmic and using the propietary driver
[16:23] <cwraig2> mark2, have a look through the software centre
[16:23] <rdavila> here is a screenshot of the video configurator: http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5852/nvidiap.png
[16:23] <cwraig2> azertuio, i dont think you can resize a partition that is in use, thats why you need the livecd
[16:23] <Spasysheep> mark2: Google chrome is available on ubuntu, and for most windows only programs there are equivalents available
[16:23] <randomusr_> wow
[16:24] <rdavila> In windoze I can set 1280x800 without problems
[16:24] <akshay> plz..anybody with a touchscreen laptop experience...i mean HP tm2
[16:24] <cc4> hi all. I had ubuntu installed it tvtime or mythtv cvhanged my tvtune's autodetct string and it now doesn't autodetects on windows. what can I do?
[16:24] <Fifas> hello there. can anyone help me out? I have already posted a bug on launchpad (which I can kindly provide an url when asked for) for an openssh server on ubuntu 9.10 that freezes after sending username/password
[16:24] <jimmyjh2> can anyone help me with internet sharing?
[16:24] <mark2> cwraig, ah thats a pity, media player classic, truely is a classic, but i think i can probably live without it
[16:24] <mark2> Spasysheep, thanks thats good to know
[16:24] <akshay> cant find anything on net..nobody replies on forums...
[16:24] <cc4> how can I reset the card? I need to do it for a sata card as well
[16:25] <jimmyjh2> demonic how is your internet
[16:25] <jimmyjh2> haha
[16:25] <aguitel> jimmyjh2, try using firestarter
[16:25] <akshay> Hello people,recently purchased HP Touchsmart tm2...want to install Ubuntu on it...i need the following things on it.. pen and finger shud work for scrolling...and screen shud rotate when i press the key to it. also if possi switchable graphics card
[16:25] <me__> is there something special about the way that ubuntu mounts fat partitions compared to other distros?
[16:25] <mark2> wow i just realised i really know nothing about this stuff, another question, nvidia gforce drivers, can install them on linux or would i have to get a linux version ?
[16:25] <andiolsi> acicula: the 10.04 installers X does not properly start. display stays black.  ill try dual link dvi cable. but i dont think thats a desired behavior.
[16:26] <versek> hola