[12:34] <rick_h_> morning
[12:34] <mrgoodcat> hi
[12:55] <wolfger> morning
[12:56] <rick_h_> cmaloney: CHC tonight?
[13:09] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Planning on it
[13:09] <rick_h_> cmaloney: party time
[13:09] <cmaloney> Woo woo!
[13:10] <shakes808> morning
[16:09] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+SageLaTorra/posts/27Z4yW94RMf
[16:11] <cmaloney> I will never understand PHP
[17:21] <_stink_> hahaha
[17:22] <cmaloney> I have never seen another language go through as many hoops to get it wrong
[17:22] <cmaloney> with the exception of Javascript
[17:24] <jrwren> c++?
[17:24] <jrwren> its gotta be up there with js and php.
[17:25] <cmaloney> Does C++ parse a string to get the numbers out of it? :)
[17:25] <jrwren> yes. so does C
[17:25] <cmaloney> wut?
[17:25] <jrwren> atoi()
[17:25] <cmaloney> No no no nono
[17:26] <cmaloney> I mean taking "3" + "I have 5 bananaas" and returning 8
[17:26] <jrwren> hhahahaa, no, not by default or course.
[17:26] <cmaloney> type conversion I understand
[17:26] <jrwren> yes, I think implicit type conversion should be considered BAD
[17:26] <cmaloney> but that's just brain-damaged
[17:27] <jrwren> imagine how much simpler JS would be if it didn't have implicit type conversion.
[17:27] <cmaloney> Some conversion I don't mind a while lot
[17:27] <jrwren> then again, python has it and its simple and understandable,s o I don't nkow.
[17:27] <cmaloney> (I come from Perl so take that with a grain of salt)
[17:27] <jrwren> yes, a small well defined set, or even an extensible set can be OK.
[17:27] <jrwren> i come from perl too, and it was never an issue there.
[17:28] <jrwren> I guess JS and PHP just fucked it up
[17:28] <cmaloney> Well, went way too far at the very least
[17:29] <jrwren> yeah, maybe that is it.
[17:29] <cmaloney> if you have "2324" and add that to 3 then your choices are either to fail, treat as a string, or convert to integer
[17:29] <cmaloney> but having "3FFF" + 3 convert to 6? I can't fathom where that would be appropriate
[17:29] <jrwren> or... do the sane thing and treat 3 as a char literal and append ascii(3) to the string and get 2324^@
[17:30] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'd accept that, even though that would be surprising
[17:31] <jrwren> it would? hrm. yeah, I guess maybe it would be.
[17:31] <cmaloney> I think that's why PHP and Javascript are languages I don't like: they act in surprising ways
[17:31] <cmaloney> and not good surprises
[17:31] <jrwren> same here. but that is OUR problem, because we've been conditioned to expect things one way, and they do things another.
[17:31] <cmaloney> like VB conversions to variant
[17:32] <cmaloney> or True = -1
[17:32] <jrwren> everything is a variant!
[17:32] <cmaloney> heh


[09:04] <mrqtros> Hi all
[09:04] <hakermania> mrqtros, hi
[09:05] <mrqtros> Do someone know why jenkins build can fail even if all test passed (SUCCESS)?
[09:07] <hakermania> mrqtros, care to send a build log link?
[09:12] <mrqtros> hakermania, sure, I hope you want this http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-ci/115/
[09:15] <hakermania> mrqtros, I don't know how to read that. I thought that you tried to build through launchpad
[09:18] <mrqtros> hakermania, moment
[09:18] <mrqtros> hakermania, https://code.launchpad.net/~mrqtros/ubuntu-rssreader-app/unified-tabs/+merge/180627
[09:20] <Guest6152> “Ubuntu SDK: submissions must use some aspect of the Ubuntu SDK. They can be written in C++, QML, HTML 5 or OpenGL, as long as they use the SDK and it’s components where appropriate.”
[09:20] <Guest6152> Does this imply that you may write the application in “standard” C++?
[09:24] <mrqtros> Guest6152, what kind of app do you want to create?
[09:25] <Guest6152> C++/Qt, not QML.
[09:27] <Guest6152> Is there a certain stylesheet I should take use of?
[09:27] <mrqtros> Guest6152, I am not sure, but I think that your app will not pass to the app market
[09:28] <mrqtros> Guest6152, because Ubuntu SDK assumes that developer will create UI with QML, not C++
[09:29] <mrqtros> hakermania, any ideas? :)
[09:29] <Guest6152> "C++, QML" it seems odd to differ c++ from QML then
[09:29] <mrqtros> Guest6152, you may use C++ plugin in QML code, of course
[09:30] <hakermania> mrqtros, I need something like this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/146760761/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.wallch_3.59-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz I don't really know what I'm looking in the link you sent me.
[09:31] <mrqtros> Guest6152, differing OpenGL is not strange for you? :)
[09:33] <Guest6152> ok, so in reality they mean QML with a c++ backbone?
[09:34] <mrqtros> Guest6152, yep. Primary technology is Qt Quick
[09:39] <Guest6152> mrqtros, thanks, do you know what they mean by OpenGL then?
[09:40] <Guest6152> HTML?
[09:40] <Guest6152> webgl
[09:41] <mrqtros> Guest6152, I think not HTML, but Qt bindings to OpenGL. You may look at 3d edge project for more details http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/1k5lxx/new_app_3dge_rendering_a_3d_model_of_ubuntu_edge/
[09:45] <Guest6152> ok, it seems like you have no choice but using QML or HTML, at least to some extent.
[09:50] <mrqtros> Guest6152, you must use some skeleton in QML, but in other things you have freedom :)
[12:34] <randomcpp> nik90, hi :), I saw your issue on github
[12:34] <randomcpp> thanks :)
[12:36] <randomcpp> kalikiana, ping
[13:49] <nik90> randomcpp: np :). Let me know when you think the app can be tested as new user and I will gladly do so and report my experience
[13:49] <randomcpp> I'm going to push a working create/read/edit recipe workflow
[13:50] <randomcpp> finally :)
[13:50] <randomcpp> but still categories and photos are to be added soon :(
[13:50] <nik90> randomcpp: cool
[13:51] <randomcpp> it's still not possible to delete recipes, due to a u1db bug
[13:51] <randomcpp> not my fault this time :)
[13:53] <nik90> hehe
[13:54] <randomcpp> btw nik90 I saw a bug report you submitted to Mefrio, about titles that needs to be truncated if longer than the app width
[13:54] <nik90> I tried your apps for few minutes here and there but havent given it my full attention.
[13:54] <nik90> But that's something I plan to do tomorrow :). So be prepared for more bug reports (and ideas)
[13:54] <randomcpp> in your opinion, shouldn't this feature be supported by the ubuntusdk? :/
[13:55] <randomcpp> with an animation maybe
[13:55] <nik90> randomcpp: yes, I would. But here's the thing. I am not sure when the sdk will support it. So until then you might need a temporary solution
[13:55] <nik90> randomcpp: in the worse case scenario where it doesnt get fixed before the showdown deadline, then this would kinda be annoying to users
[13:56] <nik90> randomcpp: And you can expect recipe titles to be longer
[13:56] <nik90> mefrio was able to fix this within 20-30 lines of code. You can always remove it later when the sdk supports it
[13:56] <randomcpp> ok I get it :) I'll find a solution, if it's good maybe I'll submit a patch upstream
[13:57] <nik90> yeah :)
[14:00] <randomcpp> nik90, do you know if it's possibile to use an img as background?
[14:00] <randomcpp> possible*
[14:02] <randomcpp> http://i.imgur.com/GZthJS9.png what do you think of this red gradient? it looks more like tomato sauce
[14:03] <nik90> randomcpp: In all honesty, I do not know what would best suit a recipe app. But I will take a look at what other similar apps do and get an inspiration.
[14:04] <nik90> randomcpp: It is a bit too bright red. The colors should be relaxing and not take the attention away from the recipe.
[14:05] <nik90> randomcpp: Officially not support to add image
[14:05] <nik90> randomcpp: but if you can find a way such that it looks good
[14:05] <randomcpp> ok thanks, I try with a darker footer
[14:06] <nik90> alrite I am going out for an hour. see you later
[14:33] <xqwzts> 17:00:07 randomcpp | nik90, do you know if it's possibile to use an img as background?
[14:34] <xqwzts> I've done that by just putting an Image{} object on my Page and having the rest of my layout above it
[14:37] <randomcpp> xqwzts, my idea was to set a squared pattern as background, but I don't know if it follow the ubuntu hig
[14:56] <nik90|Away> xqwzts: screenshots :P ?
[14:57] <xqwzts> sure
[14:57] <xqwzts> 1 min let me take one
[14:57] <nik90|Away> xqwzts: btw were you able to fix the flickable issue you had before?
[14:58] <xqwzts> will be doing a post with these updates today or tomorrow, or whenever i can finish this chunk of u1db/rottentomatoes integration
[14:58] <xqwzts> I hacked around it
[14:58] <xqwzts> so it works and i think looks decent
[14:59] <xqwzts> but it still occurs, clicking anywhere on the page resets the flickable
[14:59] <xqwzts> my assumption is this is done to reset to the toolbar
[14:59] <xqwzts> but it affects all flickables on a page
[14:59] <nik90> btw on trying your branch, I do not see any images.
[15:00] <nik90> I get errors like Cannot open: file:///home/krnekhelesh/AppShowdown2013/graphics/toolbarIcon.png
[15:00] <xqwzts> that's fine
[15:00] <xqwzts> toolbarIcon is a placeholder
[15:00] <xqwzts> im using it all over the place just to remmeber to put images there
[15:00] <nik90> ah okay
[15:01] <xqwzts> rottentomatoes api is down for scheduled maintenance atm :/
[15:01] <xqwzts> which is nice because i get to find the bugs for when this happens again
[15:01] <xqwzts> but useless for actually progressing :P
[15:01] <nik90> yeah I just tried search for a movie, and it wasnt loading any results
[15:01] <nik90> hehe
[15:02] <xqwzts> yup and i havent pushed the fix that stops the search on fail... have it locally
[15:02] <nik90> np. Just letting you know
[15:02] <xqwzts> thanks
[15:02] <xqwzts> btw
[15:02] <xqwzts> any idea on if we can combine c++ files in our projects?
[15:02] <randomcpp> xqwzts, is rottentomato a service like trakt?
[15:03] <xqwzts> the build tab in ubuntu-sdk is constantly greyed out, and it doesn't recognize .cpp or .h files in the default view
[15:03] <xqwzts> randomcpp: its like imdb
[15:03] <xqwzts> movie details/ratings/reviews etc
[15:03] <nik90> xqwzts: you can add c++ plugins to do a certain task
[15:03] <xqwzts> thats what im trying to do nik90
[15:04] <xqwzts> but unless i start a new c++ project, i cant see how to integrate one in a "Ubuntu" project
[15:04] <xqwzts> or do i have to write the c++ as a separate plugin then add it to my project?
[15:04] <nik90> xqwzts: okay. I am not familiar with this. But this is something I am trying myself.
[15:04] <nik90> xqwzts: when it comes to coding, yes you create a new plugin (project)
[15:05] <xqwzts> ah ok
[15:05] <nik90> xqwzts: but when distributing the app with click packages you bundle them together
[15:05] <nik90> with your app
[15:05] <xqwzts> right
[15:05] <nik90> xqwzts: but what is that you are trying to do that cannot be done with qml+javascript
[15:05] <xqwzts> saving files to the fs
[15:05] <xqwzts> js has no ds access
[15:05] <xqwzts> fs*
[15:05] <nik90> why not use a sqlite storage (using qtlocal storage)
[15:06] <nik90> or even u1db?
[15:06] <xqwzts> i need to save images
[15:06] <nik90> ah
[15:06] <xqwzts> saving the movie covers
[15:06] <nik90> yeah now I understand
[15:07] <xqwzts> it should be simple enough to do in c++, but wasnt sure how to integrate it
[15:08] <nik90> xqwzts: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtqml/qml-extending-tutorial-index.html
[15:08] <nik90> xqwzts: for the most part you could use this.
[15:10] <xqwzts> nik90: I've read through that doc [the 4.7 version at least looking at the url], but it presupposes having both the cpp and qml in the same project [using main.cpp to launch mainview.qml]
[15:10] <xqwzts> but yeah everything else should work as long it's packaged as a plugin
[15:11] <nik90> xqwzts: the last step of the tutorial explains how to remove main.cpp and just use qmlscene
[15:11] <xqwzts> nik90: perfect! thanks
[15:18] <xqwzts> nik90: quick screenshots: http://www.xqwzts.com/tmp/search1.png http://www.xqwzts.com/tmp/search2.png http://www.xqwzts.com/tmp/search3.png
[15:19] <nik90> xqwzts: wow looking good
[15:20] <xqwzts> thanks :)
[15:20] <nik90> xqwzts: I am sure you thought about this, but take care of the aspect ratio of the background image
[15:21] <xqwzts> Image.PreserveAspectFit should take care of it i think
[15:21] <nik90> in the 3rd screenshot, the text is bit thinner than natural
[15:22] <xqwzts> in the 3rd text im flicking the text+overlay to the side to reveal the background :)
[15:22] <xqwzts> er 3rd screenshot*
[15:22] <xqwzts> it can be dragged out to show the cover or flicked out to hide completely
[15:22] <xqwzts> [i like looking at movie covers :P]
[15:22] <nik90> yeah I noticed. love the tranparency thing
[15:23] <nik90> looks much better than what I initially thought
[15:23] <nik90> about how the app might look like
[15:23] <nik90> one thing though, the header background does not go so well with the movie cover background
[15:23] <nik90> maybe try black or some other neutral color perhaps?
[15:24] <xqwzts> if i have the time, im going to try and do a predictive background
[15:24] <xqwzts> so if the image is mostly yellow the header goes yellow etc
[15:24] <xqwzts> btu that's very low priority
[15:24] <nik90> oooh :)
[15:44] <randomcpp> nik90, I fixed the bug with the long names in saucybacon with a similar workaround of mefrio
[15:51] <nik90> randomcpp: NICE
[15:52] <nik90> without caps
[15:52] <randomcpp> eheh
[15:52] <randomcpp> that's more encouraging with the caps
[15:52] <nik90> lol
[15:56] <nik90> randomcpp: do you know if u1db cam be used to store images?
[15:56] <nik90> using the qml api
[15:56] <nik90> because in your recipes, when a user adds an image, how do you plan on saving them?
[15:58] <randomcpp> nik90, I'll do as mefrio does too, I keep the filepath (for local imgs), others (from online or acquired photos) will be stored in a folder in the gallery directory
[15:58] <randomcpp> and then I'll save their filepath in the db
[15:59] <nik90> true but how would you save the otherse in the gallery folder? Qml and Js dont provide filesytem access
[15:59] <randomcpp> we'd agreed that this method will waste phone memory as little as possible
[15:59] <nik90> r u planning to write a c++ plugin?
[16:01] <randomcpp> mmh, actually some qml modules can write files on the filesystem
[16:02] <randomcpp> https://github.com/random-cpp/instatouch/blob/master/instatouch/components/CameraView.qml#L59
[16:02] <randomcpp> at the moment I only care about photos taken from the camera
[16:03] <randomcpp> online photos I should somewhere else
[16:03] <nik90> ah .. yeah the online photos will require some thinking
[16:04] <nik90> xqwzts was having a similar issue with saving movie thumbnails on the file system.
[16:04] <nik90> randomcpp: that's also why I asked
[16:04] <randomcpp> http://developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Reading_and_writing_files_in_QML seems a good reading
[16:05] <nik90> ah nice thnx
[16:07] <randomcpp> or, we can save with localstorage the raw data of the image xD
[16:08] <randomcpp> but sometimes localstorage as a max size limit
[16:08] <randomcpp> has*
[16:09] <nik90> randomcpp: so in the link you shared, do we need to compile the .cpp and .h file?
[16:09] <nik90> currently the sdk does not do this. It simply executes qmlscene
[16:09] <nik90> I am wondering if we need to first compile using qmake and then run qmlscenee
[16:09] <randomcpp> yeah in a way I still don't know, they simple add the module path to qmlproject
[16:10] <randomcpp> nik90, there's a sample in the ubuntu sdk that uses c++ to write a module, I never really get it towork
[16:10] <randomcpp> if you want I'll have a look soon
[16:12] <nik90> randomcpp: since it is something you will need for the onlinen images, sure go ahead.
[16:12] <nik90> you can then explain to me :)
[16:13] <randomcpp> :p
[16:15] <xqwzts> randomcpp, nik90: we need to compile
[16:15] <xqwzts> im guessing g++/qmake/make
[16:15] <xqwzts> it's annoying that building in ubuntu-sdk is disabled
[16:16] <nik90> yes
[16:21] <randomcpp> the annoying thing is also that you can't add a subproject to qml projects
[16:29] <randomcpp> nik90, do you know a ubuntusdk dev? maybe he can give us some clue
[16:37] <nik90> randomcpp: you can contact timp, Kaleo, zsombi (3 sdk devs).
[17:12] <rschroll> About the app showdown: Can submissions contain components in a language other than QML, C++, HTML?
[17:12] <rschroll> Specifically, I'm considering an app with a QML frontend and a Python backend.
[17:19] <randomcpp> rschroll, if you know how to make qml and python play nice together keep us informed :P
[17:21] <rschroll> Not yet.  The general plan would be a C++ plugin that could fork and launch python in the daughter process.
[17:21] <rschroll> But I want to check if it's allowed before going through the trouble of trying to make this work.
[17:22] <randomcpp> rschroll, ok I think you can do that (technically speaking), I don't know if it's allowed
[17:22] <randomcpp> rschroll, ask nik90
[17:23] <randomcpp> nik90, I found a way to use c++ plugins :)
[17:23] <randomcpp> I'm writing a cmakelists for saucybacon
[17:27] <nik90> rschroll: I will have to check with the other judges
[17:28] <nik90> randomcpp: nice :)
[17:28] <nik90> randomcpp: how does it work? Does cmakelists compile the plugin automatically?
[17:31] <randomcpp> you have to tell cmake to compile those files
[17:31] <randomcpp> then when you want to run the qml files you need to include the .so directory
[17:31] <randomcpp> with the compiled plugin
[17:32] <rschroll> nik90: Thanks.  Should I hang out in here, or will it take a while
[17:32] <randomcpp> when installed the compiled library will be moved in appropriate directory under /usr/lib
[17:33] <randomcpp> that's easier than it looks
[17:33] <randomcpp> have to go right now :) see you
[17:36] <nik90> rschroll: send an email and lets see what happens
[17:40] <rschroll> nik90: To whom?
[17:41] <nik90> rschroll: send an email to jono at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:41] <nik90> I just messaged you that id in a private chat
[17:41] <nik90> didnt u get it?
[17:41] <rschroll> Ah - yes.
[17:41] <rschroll> I'm new to IRC.  Thanks
[18:21] <_5m0k3> Applying horizontalCenter anchor to an ItemLayout centers the leading edge of the element instead of the center of the element.  Is this a known bug?  Offset by -width/2 does not resolve the issue.  Manual offset works
[20:09] <mefrio> hi guys...how can I put a ListView inside a Popover?
[20:09] <mefrio> I have the following code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5997290/
[20:09] <mefrio> here the ListView is not shown but I try to replace the Popover with a Dialog everything works fine
[20:29] <mihir> boiko: ping !!
[20:34] <mefrio> nik90, ping
[20:40] <surgemcgee> boing?
[21:32] <mihir> boiko: you there?


[00:03] <Quintasan> Riddell or ScottK: mind reviewing if you have a second? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/q4wine_0.114-r1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[00:05] <ScottK> Quintasan: What is that?
[00:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/360942
[00:07] <Quintasan> oh great, I'm missing description
[00:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Since it's for wine, please ask Yokozar to look at it.
[00:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: okay
[00:15] <Riddell> ooh, it's Quintasan http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1958
[00:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: :D
[00:20] <Quintasan> Well, I'm going to bed. Good Night
[00:21] <Mamarok> nini Quintasan :)
[00:21]  * Mamarok should do that, too
[00:38] <ScottK> Riddell: live CD build worked on i386, so I think we're actually in good shape.
[03:36] <ScottK> There is good news and there is bad news:
[03:37] <ScottK> 1.  Good news: Software installation is easy enough that my totally non-technical step daughter got Skype installed with no help.
[03:37] <ScottK> 2.  Bad news: I know because her mike didn't work out of the box and I had to show her about kmix and mixer settings to get it working.
[04:03] <crimsun> that *could* be a bug (WRT #2)
[04:03] <crimsun> OTOH, we've fixed a crackton of those sorts in current ALSA
[04:04] <crimsun> meaning, we now autoselect the appropriate mic based on jack presence, so if you have an external mic plugged in, the internal mic is muted
[04:04] <ScottK> IIRC I had to tell it to use analog input instead of digital.
[04:04] <crimsun> on karmic, that would be apt-get install linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic (and a reboot)
[04:09] <ScottK> I'm actually thinking I need to take a break from Ubuntu.
[04:09] <crimsun> it's healthy
[04:10] <crimsun> I'm looking forward to the day when I can actually use it without having to drag myself away from fixing stuff
[04:10] <ScottK> I'm disproportionately upset about the whole MoM discussion.
[04:10] <crimsun> yeah, that was a bit nasty
[04:11] <ScottK> It really brings into question Canonical's reliabilty as a partner to the community IMO.
[04:11] <ScottK> "Sorry, it's broken, but we've pitched it over the fence to fix.  Good luck."
[04:11] <crimsun> well, there certainly are commercial forces driving the company's motives
[04:11] <ScottK> Certainly.
[04:11] <ScottK> I can understand that.
[04:12] <ScottK> But ditching standard tools the people have used for years because one person is too busy and recommending unreliable, incomplete replacements is not a confidence builder.
[04:12] <crimsun> I've largely avoided this particular tidbit by having merged manually from the onset, but I understand how, if led to rely on its continued presence, its recent downtime would be annoying.
[04:13] <crimsun> unfortunately, I believe the core plumbers are utterly overworked
[04:13] <ScottK> I understand the downtime (even if I'm not happy about it).  It's the "and we're not going to fix it, but we didn't tell anyone" part I dislike
[04:13] <ScottK> No doubt, but MoM doesn't take a core plumber.
[04:14] <ScottK> So the fact that it was the sole responsibility of such a person is a management failure.
[04:15] <crimsun> I don't even profess to understand how it was developed; my inclination is that Scott hacked away in a cave and emerged "victorious" after a while
[04:15] <ScottK> I took a brief look at the code and it's not that horrible.
[04:16] <maco> ScottK: didnt other-scott say he's been trying to find someone to take it over for years?
[04:16] <ScottK> maco: Certainly.  That's why it's a management failure at Canonical.
[04:17] <crimsun> While I don't doubt there's a bit of ego involved all around, I agree that it could have been announced more widely.
[04:18] <crimsun> (Then again, all around we seem to have this announce problem. None of us is immune.)
[04:25] <seele> what is MoM an acronym for?
[04:25] <crimsun> merge-o-matic
[04:25] <seele> aah, sounds technical
[04:25] <ScottK> It was.
[04:27] <maco> hi seele
[04:27] <seele> maco: yo
[04:58] <shtylman> so whats the whole MoM battle?
[04:58] <shtylman> I only really get a gist of it from the mailing lists
[04:58] <shtylman> but don't know the backstory
[05:00] <ScottK> Intially it was a closed source tool provided by Canonical.
[05:00] <ScottK> Probably written by Keybuk in his spare time.
[05:01] <ScottK> Then it stopped getting updated during one release cycle, a few people in the community got fed up and made DaD.
[05:01] <ScottK> DaD was a FOSS version of MoM.
[05:01] <ScottK> It's merging algorithm was never quite as good, but it had comments and was updated more frequently.
[05:02] <ScottK> So for a while, MOTU used DaD and Canonical people used MoM.
[05:02] <ScottK> (non-Canonical core-dev were rather less common then)
[05:02] <ScottK> Then two years ago, Canonical agreed to open source MoM and the DaD devs agreed to merge their improvements.
[05:03] <ScottK> It took some time, but it finally got done.
[05:03] <ScottK> So DaD went away.
[05:03] <ScottK> All is ~ well for a while.
[05:03] <shtylman> k
[05:03] <ScottK> There are a few community contributions, but it's not a lot of work for Keybuk to keep up.
[05:03] <ScottK> Which is good, since he has no time.
[05:04] <ScottK> Then Debian package source format V3 shows up and everytime MoM hits one, it falls over dead.
[05:05] <ScottK> Today, Keybuk got pressed to fix it and washed his hands of it.
[05:05] <maco> i thoguht he'd been blacklisting problematic packages for a months...longer than v3's been around
[05:05] <ScottK> maco: That was in the archive.
[05:05] <ScottK> As long as that was done it hit MoM irregularly.
[05:05] <ScottK> Now that v3 can go in the archive, it hits every run.
[05:06] <ScottK> The consensus from the Canonical people in the conversation was that it was unreasonable for the community to expect Canonical to continue to provide this service and we should use bzr merges instead.
[05:06] <ScottK> Which might be OK except:
[05:07] <ScottK> 1.  All through the distributed development disucssions whenever it's been brought up, there have been repeated assurances that no one would be forced to switch.
[05:07] <ScottK> 2.  There's a very long list of packages that won't import yet and so can't be done this way.
[05:08] <ScottK> 3.  It's complex and not completely documented.  Between Laserjock and I we tried 5 merges tonight and managed only one upload.
[05:08] <maco> #2: there is?
[05:08] <maco> i thought james said all the packages were in bzr now
[05:08] <ScottK> ?
[05:09] <ScottK> He may have said that, but the instructions on merging using bzr say to consult a list of packages that won't import and that list is still there and not short.
[05:09] <shtylman> hmm
[05:09] <ScottK> The one upload I managed, I only managed becuase I asked how to get stuff done.
[05:09] <maco> hm ok then... <100?
[05:09] <shtylman> I was always under the impression that merging will all happen in bzr now..
[05:09] <ScottK> I dodn't count.
[05:09] <ScottK> dod/did
[05:09] <shtylman> and that the deb sources would also be in bzr
[05:09] <shtylman> so that it wouldn't be a problem
[05:10] <ScottK> shtylman: It will because there is nothing other than a completely manual merge as an option.
[05:10] <ScottK> shtylman: That's an interesting theory.
[05:10] <ScottK> 4.  Even once you know the workflow, it has more steps, more things to go wrong, and is pretty generally inferior to the old way of doing things.
[05:11] <ScottK> The added granularity of history that using a VCS would normally give you isn't relevant for merges.
[05:12] <shtylman> I see
[05:12] <shtylman> what type of merges are we talking about here?
[05:12] <shtylman> I honestly have no idea
[05:12] <shtylman> as I have never done package management
[05:13] <ScottK> It's for when we have local changes from Debian and they update their package.
[05:13] <shtylman> I see
[05:14] <ScottK> So the Debian changes and the Ubuntu changes get merged from a common ancestor.  Then you have to figure out how much of the Ubuntu difference is still relvant and needs to be preserved
[05:14] <shtylman> makes sense
[05:14] <shtylman> seems kinda like a rebase
[05:14] <shtylman> I guess it kinda is
[05:14] <ScottK> In a sense it is.
[05:15] <ScottK> shtylman: What VCS do you use the most?
[05:15] <shtylman> mostly git
[05:16] <shtylman> obviously bzr for ubuntu stuff
[05:16] <maco> git...i should learn more git
[05:17] <shtylman> I like bzr
[05:17] <ScottK> shtylman: Right, so say you'd only used git, had used it for years, and someone took it away and gave you an alpha release of bzr that you had to use instead (or you could just not use a VCS) and they did it with no warning.
[05:17] <shtylman> I just really like some git features more
[05:17] <ScottK> I'm not opposed to bzr.  I generally like it.  I've promoted it's use on $work projects.
[05:17] <shtylman> ... yea... not good
[05:18] <ScottK> This particular use case is just not yet fully baked.
[05:18] <shtylman> I can see where that would be a problem
[05:18] <JontheEchidna> didn't they try to do that once already?
[05:18] <shtylman> I guess the migration is just hard
[05:18] <JontheEchidna> back when bzr sucked?
[05:18] <ScottK> So that's kinda the current situation from my perspective.
[05:18] <shtylman> I see
[05:18] <maco> hey i have a merging question. how should my debian/changelog look at the end?
[05:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We tried it during Gutsy in Kubuntu like we are now (for the Debian dirs), but that was a team choice to try it, it wasn't required.
[05:19] <maco> combine all the changelog entries that are ubuntu-specific into one new changelog that comes after the last debian one?
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> I combine all changelog entries, sticking the new debian entries in chronological order
[05:19] <ScottK> maco: All the previous Ubuntu entries should stil be there in order.
[05:19] <ScottK> One can argue chronological or version order.
[05:20] <maco> chronological or version order?
[05:20] <maco> version order, right?
[05:20] <maco> oh
[05:20] <maco> heh
[05:20] <maco> didnt read scott's second line ;)
[05:20]  * ScottK uses vesion order generally.
[05:21] <ScottK> There are times when it doesn't quite make sense.
[05:21] <ScottK> Then the new entry at the top should document all the remaining changes.
[05:31] <maco> would you be willing to sponsor a mergey upload for me?
[05:33] <crimsun> just to point, none of the packages I oversee are imported.
[05:33] <maco> crimsun: arent they all git anyway?
[05:33] <maco> crimsun: hey wanna upload hunspell? http://people.ubuntu.com/~maco.m/needs_sponsorship/
[05:33] <crimsun> pkg-alsa is entirely SVN
[05:34] <crimsun> maco: maybe in 25 minutes; I need to walk home
[05:34] <maco> ok
[05:34] <maco> crimsun: hey did you read email from me?
[05:34] <crimsun> no
[05:34] <maco> crimsun: pm real quick?
[05:34] <crimsun> I'm really stretched thin ATM
[06:49] <crimsun> maco: your changelog is pretty curt. Which changes did you retain/drop?
[06:49] <maco> crimsun: kept all. it was a clean merge, just the changelog had a conflict
[06:50] <crimsun> can you respin with a more verbose changelog entry for the next merger?
[06:50] <maco> the ubuntu changes are just a list of extra words to add to the dictionary
[06:50] <maco> yeah
[06:50] <crimsun> no need to list them all; you can use "refer to version X for extra words"
[06:52] <maco> * Merge with Debian, keeping all Ubuntu changes (extrawords.txt and its support in debian/rules)
[06:52] <maco> that work?
[06:52] <crimsun> yep
[07:03] <maco> um, by the way...i cant test this build in pbuilder...that whole "aptitude is fubar" thing
[07:03] <maco> aptitude just spits a stacktrace at me while trying to install the build-deps
[07:04] <maco> but since it built in debian and given what the ubuntu changes are..it should theoretically build fine on the buildd
[07:04] <ScottK> maco: There's more than one way to do it.
[07:04] <maco> ScottK: im listening
[07:04] <ScottK> Look in the pbuilder config file in /ect.
[07:05] <ScottK> IIRC there's a dependency resolver option that doesn't use aptitude.
[07:06] <maco> ah i see
[07:07] <maco>  PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD=  should i use gdebi? manpage says thats faster than classic
[07:14] <maco> ScottK: thanks! the build is running now
[07:23] <maco> crimsun: ok, reupload with more verbose changelog and with having successfully built in pbuilder
[07:23] <maco> oh my its 230am?
[07:29] <ScottK> Now it is.
[07:30] <maco> *snort*
[07:30]  * crimsun points maco toward -v20070829-2ubuntu4
[07:30] <maco> whatd i do?
[07:30] <crimsun> you forgot to include the new Debian changelog entry
[07:31] <crimsun> I rerolled the source package for you this time; just keep it in mind for next time, please.
[07:31] <maco> whatd i forget what?
[07:31] <maco> -3ubuntu1 is the new entry
[07:32] <maco> -2ubuntu4 was the previous version in ubuntu
[07:32] <maco> -3 is in debian
[07:32] <maco> so -3ubuntu1 is the new merged one
[07:33] <maco> crimsun: what>
[07:33] <maco> *?
[07:33] <crimsun> passing -v20070829-2ubuntu4 to debuild -S means "include all changelog entries *since* this version in the _source.changes"
[07:34] <crimsun> without it, you only include the most recent, which omits -3
[07:34] <maco> ooooooo i see
[07:34] <maco> im sorry. thank you
[07:34] <crimsun> np. Z.
[07:35] <ScottK> Unless of course you're doing it the new fashioned way and using bzr builddeb where -v means be verbose.
[07:49] <maco> um actually, yes i was using bzr builddeb
[07:50] <maco> i assume thisd be: bzr builddeb --old=lp:debian/blahblah  then?
[07:51] <maco> oh, probably -rREVNO
[07:52] <maco> hmm nope. not -rREVNO
[07:53] <maco> helps if i read all of --help's output...
[07:57] <ScottK> To pass -v like in dpkg-buildpackage it's -- -v.
[07:57] <ScottK> Because -S -- -v is so intuitive
[08:06] <nixternal> ScottK: bzr merging not your friend?
[08:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: for the record, cjwatson talked to doko about a glibc backport. It's in doko's hands now
[08:17] <Mamarok> the number of duplicates of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196207 is piling up every day...
[08:19] <Mamarok> gah, the bug description is not really accurate, extends to Qt applications, too
[09:16] <jussi01> agateau: ping
[09:19] <agateau> jussi01: pong
[09:20] <jussi01> agateau: I understand you are notifications goto man?
[09:20] <agateau> jussi01: sort of :)
[09:20] <jussi01> :D
[09:24] <jussi01> agateau: Im using 4.4 beta, notifications seem well screwed. they seem to stick around forever, unless you click on the cross. ie. we get a huge accumulation of little numbers that never go down...
[09:24] <agateau> oh that, I am sort of the "alternative notifications goto man", then
[09:25] <agateau> I created Colibri just because I didn't like the Plasma notifications
[09:25] <jussi01> agateau: ahh :D
[09:25] <agateau> Not sure I can help you here, you want to discuss this with notmart on #plasma
[09:25] <jussi01> what, pray tell, is colibri?
[09:26] <agateau> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=117147
[09:26] <agateau> jussi01: you may find this post interesting as well: http://agateau.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/introducing-colibri-an-alternative-to-plasma-notifications/
[09:28]  * jussi01 reads
[09:36] <ghostcube> agateau: hmmm i will try this passive thingy
[09:36] <ghostcube> cause i dont like this monumental plasma notifies :)
[09:37] <agateau> :)
[09:37] <ghostcube> as jussi01 sayed a lot of them if you dont cancel them
[09:37] <ghostcube> o.o
[09:37] <ghostcube> hmm is there already a package or can i ask on getdeb for packaging it o.o
[09:38] <agateau> ghostcube: I haven't packaged it, but it was (I think) nixternal who commented on the post that someone was packaging it
[09:38] <ghostcube> ah ok
[09:38] <ghostcube> nixternal: winke winke
[09:42] <Riddell> office party time!
[09:42] <ghostcube> wth this looks so borked even if its wanted
[09:43] <ghostcube> https://code.launchpad.net/projects
[09:43]  * Riddell hangs tinsel up around the place
[09:43] <ghostcube> Riddell: ??
[09:43] <ghostcube> xmas party?
[09:44] <agateau> Riddell: is this an Edimburgh-only office party? the Chapelle-Rablais office is hard at work!
[09:44] <ghostcube> seems hes busy doing nothing :D
[09:44] <Riddell> oh the Edinburgh office is hard at work, just with Slade playing in the background
[09:45] <agateau> oh ok :)
[10:01] <Quintasan> good morning
[10:02] <ghostcube> morning
[10:14] <ulysses__> 11 am is not morning:)
[10:55] <ghostcube> :P
[11:01] <Quintasan> ulysses__: depends on when you got up :P
[11:01] <ulysses__> at 7:30 :/
[11:02] <Quintasan> what a shame, I went to sleep at about 5 o clock in the morning and got up at 10
[11:02] <Quintasan> :D
[11:02] <ulysses__> can't sleep at night?:P
[11:02] <Quintasan> yeah, pretty much
[11:02] <Quintasan> during the day too :P
[11:04] <Mamarok> what did I miss about virtuoso?
[11:04] <Quintasan> Mamarok: nothing, 6.0.1 is still not working or debian guy is crazy
[11:05] <Quintasan> Mamarok: the problem is probably with virtuoso or nepomuk itself
[11:05] <Quintasan> I've tried to poke in #nepomuk-kde but there was noone answering
[11:29] <Mamarok> Quintasan|Szel: write a mail directly to Sebastian Trueg, or poke him in @nepomuk-kde
[11:46] <Mamarok> here comes a packaging problem:
[11:47] <Mamarok> gah, /me hates bash when it doesn't allow Ctrl+C *grrr*
[11:48] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.3.85-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:48] <Mamarok>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/config/aurorae.knsrc', which is also in package kwin-style-aurorae 0:0.2.1-0ubuntu1
[11:48] <Mamarok> here you go ^^
[11:50] <Mamarok> and btw, there is a typo in the website announcement:
[11:50] <Mamarok> udo apt-get dist-uprade
[11:51]  * Mamarok is not good at copy-paste today
[11:51] <Mamarok> it reads dist-uprade, missing the g
[13:57] <Quintasan> Hello
[14:08] <ghostcube> ehlo
[14:12] <Riddell> pleasingly I have no merges with my name next to it
[14:14] <Riddell> oh actually it helps if I search by my launchpad id
[14:15] <Quintasan> :D
[14:16]  * Quintasan is off to help his dad, then back to backtracing crashes
[14:17]  * jussi01 hugs Riddell
[14:21] <freeflying> ScottK: arounds?
[14:21] <ScottK> freeflying: Yes.
[15:31] <ScottK> Riddell: We're really close to having things about as built as we are going to.  How would you feel about doing your qt4-x11 upload to fix powerpc today?
[15:33] <Riddell> hmm, I havn't started looking at it, I don't know the right syntax for arch specific patches
[15:33] <Riddell> or it may need to be done in the rules file specially
[15:33] <Riddell> let me look into it
[15:34] <ScottK> Whatver you did for armel last cycle (IIRC nepomuk stuff) worked out OK.
[15:55] <ScottK> Sparc is fully built now.
[16:34] <seele_> ScottK: you have a sparc station?
[16:34] <ScottK> seele: No.  Just tracking it in Launchpad.
[16:35] <seele> ah
[16:35] <ScottK> IA64 is done now too (don't have that either)
[16:53] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: when you got a second can you ack colibri on revu? thanks
[18:07] <ghostcube> hi
[18:07] <ghostcube> updated to beta 2 worked fine :)
[18:08] <ghostcube> anyone knows who is doing the ppa for nvidia vdpau drivers ?
[18:10] <ghostcube> ah got it njsnider
[18:10] <ghostcube> bjsnider
[18:10] <ghostcube> o.o
[18:48] <ghostcube> ok Qt 4.6 and kde 4.4 beta 2 in combination with new nvidia driver definetly rox
[18:48] <ghostcube> teh fast
[18:51] <Blizzz> well, Qt 4.6 sux for me, lot of bug reports refering to it
[19:29] <zegenie> anyone have any idea about why kded4 eats 100% cpu in 4.4 beta2?
[19:34] <Riddell> no, try unloading modules or using gdb
[20:21]  * Daskreech waves
[20:23] <Daskreech> Quintasan|Szel: ping
[21:05] <Mamarok> just installed that Beta 2 stuff on Karmic, I have all my desktop settings gone (activities, etc.), 2 panels (which luckily at least kept the settings, but twice, one smaller and hard to get rid of) and plasma crashes galore. I guess this is to be expected?
[21:05] <Mamarok> Oh and Akonadi doesn't run anymore
[21:07] <Mamarok> +: it's fast, desktop effects work like double speed now
[21:07] <Daskreech> back up ~/.kde before upgrades
[21:48] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :D I looked at the lucid todo for kubuntu and are there any developmental tasks I can take part in
[22:28] <ScottK> Mamarok: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.10.2-2ubuntu4
[22:29] <ScottK> Riddell: kdepim finally finished on armel, so that's fully built too.
[22:30] <txwikinger> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/8-of-the-best-kde-distributions-657523?artc_pg=3
[22:30]  * ScottK now waits for Riddell brilliant debian/rules hack for powerpc only patches
[22:33] <ScottK> txwikinger: You have been busy.  We all chatted about that ages ago.
[22:40] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, hi :D how are you
[22:40] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Busy
[22:41] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, do you have any idea when merge-o-matic is going to be back, I heard its down right now
[22:42] <ScottK> Never unless someone fixes it.
[22:42] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, alright that's good enough for an answer :D I just continue my work as it then
[22:43] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: The answer wasn't a joke.  It's completely maintainerless right now, so unless someone volunteers to work on it, it won't get fixed.
[22:43] <Mamarok> ScottK: what about the backport to Karmic?
[22:44] <ScottK> Mamarok: Rules say it has to be fixed in the development release first, so this would be step one.
[22:44] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, I am really good at web designing, much better than packaging, can I get working on it, please
[22:44] <ScottK> All I know is I say it building.
[22:44] <Mamarok> OK, nice to know :)
[22:44] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Source is in the merge-o-matic project on Launchpad.
[22:45] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, alright so what's the main problem behind it, is it not updating the packages
[22:45] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: It needs to deal with v3 format source packages.
[22:46] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, what's v3 format package
[22:46] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Remember the start of the conversation where I said I was busy?  Google can help you with that one.
[22:47] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, I am sorry I didn't mean to bother you, I'll google that
[23:21] <Zorael> Is the Akonadi kcm module being transitioned out in 4.4? I see it's still in kdepim-runtime but it doesn't have a .desktop service entry.
[23:22] <ScottK> Zorael: It's in a separate binary now.
[23:22] <ScottK> (I think)
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> Zorael: upstream decided to remove the module, since basically the only thing you could do with it is break Akonadi (unless you really knew what you were doing)
[23:34] <Zorael> JontheEchidna: Ah, okay, makes sense.
[23:39]  * Riddell puts up some mistletoe here too and stand underneith it
[23:49]  * claydoh dcc's smooches to Riddell :)
[23:49] <Riddell> yay!
[23:51]  * claydoh is enjoying his beta2 presents , many thanks to all!
[23:52] <Riddell> ScottK: what do you think of this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/50
[23:52] <Riddell> I've really no idea if that's the right syntax in rules
[23:52] <ScottK> Looking
[23:54] <nixternal> unix:!mac:*-g++*:QMAKE_LFLAGS += -Wl,--gc-sections   <- is this common for removing this line?
[23:54] <nixternal> back in the day, I would add that line when building on my old mac
[23:55] <crimsun> the linker explodes on ppc with --gc-sections
[23:55] <crimsun> meaning 10.04's current linker explodes on ppc
[23:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks right.  Looks similar to what you did in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/revision/69
[23:59] <ScottK> Of course I left the #ENDIF of of my IA64 build fix on the first try, so don't go by me.


[08:28] <dholbach> good morning!
[14:20] <hexmode> good morning...  I'm back from the hospital
[14:53] <MooDoo> hexmode: patient or visiting?
[14:54] <hexmode> MooDoo: patient: http://hexmode.com/540584.html
[14:55] <MooDoo> blimey, but you're recovering well [as much as you can] now?
[15:01] <hexmode> MooDoo: yes, doctors & nurses in the brain injury unit were impressed
[15:02] <hexmode> I attribute it to the car accident that knocked me into a coma when I was three
[15:02] <MooDoo> hexmode: well that's good news :)
[15:02] <hexmode> taught my body how to deal with trauma ;)
[15:02] <MooDoo> well i'm glad you're ok :)
[15:02] <hexmode> but I don't know how true that is
[15:03] <hexmode> Thank you.
[15:23] <dholbach> hexmode: wow - all the best!
[15:23]  * dholbach hugs hexmode
[15:23] <hexmode> dholbach: thanks, the worst (that is, the actual wreck) is over now.
[15:24] <dholbach> holy cow, really
[15:24] <hexmode> mostly just wanted to let ppl know why I haven't been active ;)
[15:24] <MooDoo> hexmode: you damn slacker you ;()
[15:24] <MooDoo> ;)
[15:25] <hexmode> :P
[16:09] <Pendulum> hexmode: glad you're doing so well with your recovery
[16:09] <hexmode> Pendulum: tyvm
[16:10] <Pendulum> (I know enough about head injury and have known enough people with TBIs that I'm quite impressed with how well you're doing)
[16:11] <hexmode> Pendulum: the brain injury unit was quit a showcase of "how bad it could be"
[16:11] <hexmode> :P
[16:11] <Pendulum> heh
[16:11] <hexmode> s/quit/quite/
[16:11] <Pendulum> well, I assumed you were aware, but I suspect most other people in this channel aren't :P
[16:12] <Pendulum> they kept you in Reading? (I wasn't aware that they had a brain injury unit as most people I've known in that area with TBI ended up getting sent to Philly)
[16:13] <Pendulum> or to whatever the one is in Paoli area that's affiliated with I think UPenn's system
[16:13] <hexmode> I was in a post-trauma Rehab center there
[16:13] <Pendulum> *nods*
[16:13] <hexmode> and actually I live in Akron, they flew me to Reading
[16:13] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[16:13] <hexmode> so the hospital seemed up to it
[16:14] <Pendulum> :)
[16:14] <hexmode> the rehab building is new (1yr old) but I don't think the program is
[16:14] <Pendulum> (I went to school outside Philly and was semi-active with the disability community in the area)
[16:14] <Pendulum> :)
[16:15] <hexmode> there was one girl in there who had to have her head extracted from a windshield :P
[16:15] <Pendulum> ouch
[16:15] <Pendulum> why to wear a seatbelt 101 (generally if your head goes through the windshield, you weren't wearing a seatbelt)
[16:15]  * hexmode nods
[16:16] <Pendulum> most people I've known with TBI actually have been similar to you: either runners or bicyclists
[16:17] <hexmode> tbi = traumatic brain injury ??
[16:18] <hexmode> I will hid your statement from my wife.  otherwise she may never let me ride again ;(
[16:18] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:19] <Pendulum> tbi = traumatic brain injury
[16:19] <hexmode> Pendulum: where are you located now?
[16:19] <Pendulum> technically it covers anything from a mild concussion to coma-due-to-brain-injury, but generally people use it to describe something more serious than a minor concussion and with longer-lasting effects
[16:20] <Pendulum> I'm currently up in CT
[16:21] <hexmode> though they did have posters up there talking 'bout concussion & football.
[16:21] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:21] <Pendulum> well they're discovering over time that the more concussions you have the easier it becomes to get concussed and the more long-term effects
[16:22] <Pendulum> (I know it's been talked about as a possible reason for the recent suicides by young professional and college football players)
[16:31] <hexmode> suicide?  I think I saw a patient up there whose attitude had been affected negatively by their TBI, but I'm surprised that concussion would do that?
[16:32] <hexmode> btw, patient was mostly angry not suicidal
[16:34] <Pendulum> there's a specific thing that can occur due to multiple/repeated concussions healing "wrong"
[16:34] <Pendulum> which can cause depression
[16:35] <Pendulum> the problem being it's not possible to diagnose without a brain biopsy
[16:35] <hexmode> ugh biopsy
[16:35] <Pendulum> well, and brain biopsies can't be done on someone who is alive
[16:36] <hexmode> so, an autopsy
[16:36]  * hexmode is mr. pedantic
[16:36] <Pendulum> hexmode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
[16:37] <Pendulum> well, the biopsy is done as part of an autopsy, yes
[16:38] <hexmode> So, it seems unlikely that even football players who commit suicide would have brain biopsies done...
[16:39] <Pendulum> I only heard about it when reading about Chris Henry
[16:39] <Pendulum> because his family did have one done
[16:39] <Pendulum> and Owen Thomas
[16:40] <Pendulum> although they're not positive about Owen Thomas because he had no recorded concussions
[16:40] <Pendulum> (but even as a softball player I had injuries that were probably concussions and I was told not to bother getting checked out so...)


[02:22] <sakrecoer_> yes, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-tOW_iwdgCLBZx9iYUJzj-zghPIPCvk3Dny5albf8tY/edit?usp=sharing_eid
[02:24] <sakrecoer_> zequence:
[02:26] <sakrecoer_> i have to say,the content is good, but i don't like tool. actualy, i like the tool, but i don't like the license. i collaborate with ubuntu, not google.
[02:28] <sakrecoer_> i wish this kind of effort and work was put in ubuntu wiki, and discussed on the dedicated ubuntu channels
[10:20] <sakrecoer_> it seems king jimmy already put googledocs in the wiki :)
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> guys, i'm trying to quit smoking. i've noticed it affects my online output. working on it....
[10:22] <sakrecoer_> sorry


[09:55] <alan_g> greyback: congratulations! miral integration has passed QA
[09:55] <greyback> alan_g: hurray!
[10:11] <davmor2> alan_g, greyback: now don't make it sound like it is a fluke or we might go back and look at it again ;)
[10:11] <greyback> :D
[10:12] <alan_g> so true!
[10:18] <greyback> alan_g: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miral/+bug/1651384
[10:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1651384 in miral (Ubuntu) "[MIR] miral" [Critical,New]
[10:18] <greyback> need miral to be in main before unity8 can use it
[10:18] <alan_g> Oh yeah, I'd forgotten we'd need that.
[10:20] <alan_g> greyback: can I help? Or is it just another wait for the wheels to turn?
[10:21] <greyback> alan_g: the later, I think that's all the paperwork needed
[11:57] <dandrader> alan_g, hi, did you read my mail about the double-lock issue?
[11:58] <alan_g> dandrader: sorry, I forgot about it
[12:02] <alan_g> dandrader: I see. Yes, force_close() shouldn't be calling a function from shell::WindowManager.
[12:03]  * alan_g wonders why he's not hit that
[12:07] <dandrader> alan_g, should I file a bug?
[12:08] <alan_g> please - I'll get to it real soon
[12:14] <dandrader> alan_g, https://bugs.launchpad.net/miral/+bug/1651422
[12:14] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1651422 in MirAL "Double lock in force_close()" [Undecided,New]
[12:15] <alan_g> dandrader: thank you. Do you need the fix released? Or just committed for the time being?
[12:20] <dandrader> first option is best, of course. but it's not blocking me. worst case I add a work around in qtmir (ie, no lock that call)
[12:20] <dandrader> alan_g, ^
[12:24] <alan_g> dandrader: if you do a workaround I suggest using "#if MIRAL_VERSION <= MIR_VERSION_NUMBER(1, 0, 0)"
[12:24] <dandrader> alan_g, right, good point
[12:36] <dandrader> alan_g, so the next miral release is gonna be 1.0?
[12:36] <alan_g> dandrader: the last one was
[12:36] <dandrader> oh
[12:37] <dandrader> alan_g, is it in zesty?
[12:38] <alan_g> yes
[12:38] <alan_g> http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2016/12/19/miral-1-0/
[12:38] <dandrader> landed today, right. because it wasn't there yesterday
[12:38]  * dandrader upgrades
[12:39] <alan_g> landed yesterday, my afternoon
[12:50] <alan_g> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/fix-1651422/+merge/313609
[17:33] <alan_g> camako: the discussion comment I promised you yesterday: https://code.launchpad.net/~cemil-azizoglu/mir/mirsurfacespec-deprecation-2/+merge/313451/comments/814567
[17:34] <camako> Thanks. I was just reading it.
[17:34] <alan_g> 8-)
[18:31] <_javier4_> Hi guys, I'm porting a device and now I'm stuck at the ubuntu animation boot logo (ubuntu text with dots moving). compositor log doesn't help, and now I'm seeing this messages in dmesg
[18:31] <_javier4_> (1)[2353:VSyncThread_0][DISP][mtk_disp_mgr_ioctl #1956]ERROR:[session]ioctl not supported, 0x40104fd5
[18:31] <_javier4_> (1)[2361:Mir/Comp][DISPCHECK]primary_display_switch_mode require sess_mode DIRECT_LINK
[18:33] <_javier4_> repeated many times. Are they meaningful for my problem?
[18:43] <greyback> _javier4_: sounds possible yes. Can you share the output of "/system/bin/logcat" and "$HOME/.cache/upstart/unity8.log" please
[18:44] <greyback> /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log too
[18:50] <_javier4_> greyback, unfortunately logcat returns nothing, these are the logs you asked for
[18:50] <_javier4_> http://pastebin.com/50CmQMTz
[18:50] <_javier4_> http://pastebin.com/atis2u9q
[19:12] <greyback> _javier4_: hmm unity-system-compositor does bring up GL ok (lots of warnings, but it appears to work since you see the splash)
[19:12] <greyback> but something is wrong with unity8
[19:12] <greyback> it is a mir server, which connects to unity-system-compositor (as a nested mir server)
[19:12] <greyback> seems to fail to connect/start
[19:12] <greyback> am unsure why
[19:15] <_javier4_> is there something I can do to supply more debug messages?


[00:35] <daftykins> http://1drv.ms/1N8C0jW
[00:35] <daftykins> tee-hee, overtaking your mate in the last seconds is always good fun
[00:53] <daftykins> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/mvLHUpOvXuQAhIhY
[00:53] <daftykins> good old ifixit having some fun
[04:11] <mappps> hm
[05:44] <mapps> well
[05:45] <mapps> first time in 6 months spoke some russian
[05:45] <mapps> :)
[05:45] <mapps> guy at casino was Ukranian (very similar)
[07:47] <diddledan> morning
[07:49] <elfy> morning
[07:56] <Myrtti> boo. my gingerbread coffee syrup run out... time of day
[08:14] <popey> lulz https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858
[08:14] <popey> steam bug all over again
[08:14] <Myrtti> well, to their benefit it was in RC
[08:16] <Myrtti> or is
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:18] <diddledan> what's the betting they're doing a `rm -rf $foo/*` where $foo isn't assigned
[08:19] <popey> yeah
[08:57] <diplo> hah diddledan
[08:57] <diplo> That was my first ever huge breakage in IT
[08:57] <diddledan> morning diplo
[08:57] <diplo> Sorry just reading up :D
[08:57] <diddledan> :-)
[08:57] <diplo> rm -rf $foo/
[08:57] <diplo> :)
[08:57] <diddledan> yeah it's a nasty one
[08:58] <diplo> I've been very careful since :D
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> I'd like to find out a bit more about Ubuntu Phone. What apps are availabe, does it support WebDAV, CalDAV and CardDAV (either native or via an app) and so on.
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> I've found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> but there's not much information.
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Or I completely failed to find it.
[09:26] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! :-D
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:34] <TwistedLucidity> Seems CalDAV support is absent...shame. Although being missing is better than Android's "not working in unexpected and very annoying ways" :-)
[09:36] <DJones> Would somebody mind hilighting me, just finished rebuilding/cleaning my irssi config & want to check the hilight window works
[09:37] <diplo> DJones: well hello!
[09:37] <DJones> Thanks, still works
[09:37] <diplo> :P
[09:38] <TwistedLucidity> Still...they can't do everything at once. Here's hoping that full DAV support lands in time for the octocore.
[09:38]  * TwistedLucidity crosses fingers
[09:42] <diplo> https://cosmicyes.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/syncing-addressbook-of-ubuntuphone-using-syncevolution/
[09:42] <diplo> TwistedLucidity:  ?
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Oddly enough, just reading that.
[09:43] <diplo> hack atm, well thats address books
[09:43] <diplo> :D
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> Still looks *A LOT* easier than the nightmare of getting it working on Android
[09:44] <diplo> I was about to try it on android :) not worth it then
[09:44] <diplo> I was going to purchase a caldav app
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Certainly not on any HTC device.
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Let me get a link.....
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2014/06/android-htc-and-carddav-contacts/4729
[09:46] <diplo> Well that sucks
[09:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:47] <diplo> I've not got any HTC devices anymore, 2 Samsungs in varying dieingness and currently a LG g2 that I'm about to root
[09:47] <diplo> So may have a go
[09:47] <bashrc_> morning peeps
[09:47] <TwistedLucidity> CalDAV works as well (using apps from the same dev) but there's no way to set a default calendar, so you contstantly have to tell the phone which one to use when entering a new event.
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> I guess the assumption is that everyone uses Google and Facebook and us freedom-loving lepers are left out in the cold.
[09:49] <diddledan> ello bashrc_ , czajkowski
[09:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: just be careful eating them when you have rabbits :D
[09:52] <diplo> I do find it odd that no syncing apart from Google is available with touch
[09:52] <diplo> Considering the audience :)
[09:52] <JamesTait> Or chinchillas, davmor2. ;)
[09:52] <diddledan> choccy raisens are awesome!
[09:52] <diddledan> spelign?
[09:53] <diddledan> raisins
[09:53] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Ta! That's exactly the thing I was looking for. Don't know why I couldn't find it with "ubuntu phone apps"
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:17] <knightwise> hey bro
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[10:19] <MooDoo> interesting though
[10:20] <knightwise> MooDoo: what is ?
[10:31] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's not an official store is possibly why
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Explains much. I was trying to working out what kind of codename "bhdouglass" was :-)
[10:32] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: there will be one it's just that the team that are creating it are also creating the store, so that is the priority you know like being able to make payments and things like that ;)
[10:33] <MooDoo> knightwise: ah sorry, wrong window lol :D
[10:33] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: You evil, money-grabbing capitalists! :-D
[10:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: but if you want an interesting read ie in the same vein as the steam issue https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858
[10:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: likely story
[10:36] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: Yeap that's us, They're also working on things like fat package support so you can install the apps on multiple arches, setting up the snappy store and ........... you get the picture :)
[10:36] <knightwise> hack once pown many
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> lubotu3: dev/testing branch, things happen
[10:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's somewhat of a bug in squid then right
[10:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: howdo chappie hows life
[10:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: tiring. Badminton was a little too much for the 4 of us last night
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: waiting for my phone to arrive and annoyed that I'm in the company office today and tomorrow. Not knowing if it'll turn up while I'm not at home
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: are you well?
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahaha
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: busy but good thanks
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: thank goodness i don't use rhel then and squid
[10:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: if we were to arrange an evening at the Pie Factory, do you think you're more likely to be able to attend?
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm going to try and get to the next meeting either way I wouldn't mind seeing the oddfellows is that the new pub then?
[10:45] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:45] <bigcalm> It's quieter
[10:45] <bigcalm> That said, same amount of people appear to be in a smaller space
[10:45] <bigcalm> We don't get to move the tables around
[10:45] <bigcalm> So it's pot luck if we get a good spot or not
[10:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: more import do they still do pancakes ;)
[10:53] <bigcalm> It's a nice gastro pub. You should go there some time anyway
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:04] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: You wouldn't be running 6.7 anyway
[11:05] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: goes to show how little you know him ;)
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Well....if they're running a Beta version in production, then they deserve everything they get!
[11:06] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you wouldn't catch me doi.....oh wait yes you would most of the time infact :P
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> I for one am not running beta-code on this here desktop. Honest.
[11:08] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: only my server is running a stable release
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, got the home server on LTS
[11:19] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: currently moved the home server over to a raspberry pi :)
[11:19] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: i don't run it at all any more, moved my servers to ubuntu/debian
[11:19] <knightwise> Raspbian seems to treat it fairly ok
[11:19] <knightwise> not that I do a lot on the machine but still.
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> in the event of a police raid he can shove the server down his pants... :-P
[11:20] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: Home server runs ownCloud and will also be host a media server. Bit much for a RasPi.
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> what about the pi 2?
[11:21] <MooDoo> i use kvm so that wouldn't run too well on a pi :D
[11:21] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: I strongly suspect transcoding would murder it
[11:21] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: I agree
[11:21] <knightwise> used to run 1404 lTs on the mac mini
[11:21] <knightwise> running plex , calibre and two other Linux Vm's with owncloud and stuff
[11:22] <knightwise> my current server is more of an ssh endpoint , although it handles ttytter, irssi, newsbeuter and the calibre webservice quite nicely
[11:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: now to get you hooked onto Juju, lxc, docker and maas and my work will be done muhahahahahahaha ;)
[11:22] <bashrc_> calibre has a web service?
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: my head is already exploding thanks very much....
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: if canonical or you of the team you're with need a tea boy, give me a shout ;)
[11:24] <bashrc_> interesting, although I use OwnCloud for this kind of thing http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/calibre-server.html
[11:24] <knightwise> setting up a calibre server doesn't even require a Gui
[11:24] <knightwise> its easy to browse , (even with my kobo ebook reader)
[11:24] <bashrc_> nice
[11:24] <knightwise> works like a charm
[11:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: that would be a lot of travel if you were tea boying my team 1 is in New Zealand :D
[11:24] <knightwise> you can even add books to your library using a command line commad
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> and calibre without it's gui sounds better somehow... :-)
[11:25] <bashrc_> on the server side
[11:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: sounds geekier I think that is the issue
[11:27] <davmor2> knightwise: but can you read in w3m?
[11:28] <diplo> http://blog.slucas.fr/en/oss/calibre-opds-php-server  - knightwise tried this ?
[11:29] <diplo> Me and a friend use it
[11:29] <shauno> last time I tried calibre's server, the templates were so retro that I wouldn't be surprised if w3m did work
[11:29] <shauno> (although I was using it via a reader that supports opds, so it just acts like a slower version of the local library)
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> it formatted for bbses? :-)
[11:30] <knightwise> havent tried cops yet
[11:40] <knightwise> davmor2: i think you can
[11:40] <knightwise> but does W3M handle epubs ?
[11:43] <davmor2> knightwise: no idea I was thinking purely of an all cli experience :D
[11:44] <davmor2> knightwise: I'm thinking that most geeks have a terminal set to be easy to read for them, so why not let it handle the epub and grabbing it too :)
[11:47] <knightwise> I know it works pretty sweet on  my kobo !
[11:48] <davmor2> knightwise: it would possibly work nicely in beru too
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> i have to admit been seriosuly impressed with my cheap kobo.  great battery life and very good with pdfs which a lot of e-ink readers aren't
[11:48] <knightwise> Yep , i've had a sony PRS 505 for AGES and was doubting what the best formfactor would be
[11:49] <knightwise> I went with the smaller kobo but am very satisfied
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> i got one as they were clearing them out of argos for €35 a few years back
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> 5" jobbie
[11:50] <knightwise> indeed
[11:51] <knightwise> http://leeet.net/foto/sony/en_505/05/en_sony_rev_502.jpg
[11:52] <knightwise> This was mine :) Bought in in Hull about 6 years ago i think$
[11:52] <davmor2> knightwise, zmoylan-pi: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru
[11:53] <knightwise> Beru ?
[11:53] <knightwise> as in "aunt beru" ?
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> an epub reader for ubuntu touch.  not bad
[11:53] <knightwise> kinda 'toasty" title for an app :)
[11:53] <knightwise>  nope not bad indeed
[11:54]  * knightwise should get one of those ubuntu phones
[11:55] <knightwise> ps : i'm using google inbox on the laptop right now
[11:55] <knightwise> pretty clean interface!
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be more interested in ubuntu tablet as i use dumbphones these days
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> and getting increasingly annoyed with android
[11:56] <bashrc_> is there a keepass app?
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: by the way do you have the issue on your hudl2 of the time being wrong or is it just me :)  NTP seems to be setting the Time about 5 hours behind
[11:58] <diplo> bashrc_: Not that I've seen yet
[11:58] <awilkins> bashrc_ I use Password Safe which has an app
[11:58] <awilkins> Password Safe + Dropbox
[11:58] <knightwise> hbv
[11:58] <bashrc_> ok. I mainly use keepass, because it runs on everything
[11:59] <foobarry> davmor2: are you on the latest update?
[11:59] <awilkins> Password Safe / Pasaffe / Password Safe for Android
[11:59] <foobarry> also, timezone?
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> i did have that problem with my samsung as it got old.  the clock would stop updating and it would fall behind. a reset would sort it for a few weeks
[11:59] <davmor2> foobarry: as far as I know yes it doesn't find any new ones
[11:59] <diplo> I think I jumped in there in the wrong place, Android or Touch bashrc_ ?
[11:59] <diplo> I use keepass on android
[12:01] <davmor2> diplo, bashrc: on touch there is lastpass app
[12:01] <diplo> Well 'app' is a bit strong :D
[12:05] <bashrc_> lastpass looks nonfree anyway
[12:17] <knightwise> Dalek Mindfulness tape : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o&t=28
[12:17] <knightwise> * in tears *
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> that is so been tweeted...
[13:35] <Myrtti> oof. The most expensive Moomin mug sold for 5000€
[13:35]  * Myrtti pets her collection
[13:35] <diddledan> yeesh
[13:36] <Myrtti> http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2015-03-23/739186/5-000-euro-har-ar-dyraste-muminmuggen
[13:39] <zmoylan-pi> someone takes their moomin seriously
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> i used to like the cartoon on utv in 80s
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> but preferred moschops :-)
[13:42] <Myrtti> I took it seriously enough to have Moomin caketoppers, Moomin plushies and Moomin candies and cookies but I don't plan to go quite so far as pay silly money for a Moomin mug...
[13:43] <daftykins> phew - said everyone :)
[13:44] <Myrtti> or a lamp, they are expensive as well
[13:44] <Myrtti> would have been cool though http://shop.moomin.com/collections/all/products/the-moomintroll-light-small
[13:45]  * davmor2 bets Myrtti does at some point, when she wins the lottery and is rich and shameless ;)
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> she'll have a moomin house in the moomin garden just for moominorabilia :-)
[13:46] <Myrtti> I think the husband would protest quite loudly
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> you'd just turn up the moomin stereo :-P
[13:46] <daftykins> ouch £650 gas bill for the last quarter :(
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> what were you doing, burning the stuff?!
[13:47] <daftykins> ;]
[13:47] <diplo> 650!!!!! for 3 months!!!!!
[13:47] <daftykins> yip
[13:47] <diplo> Lucky if mine is £100 :)
[13:48] <Myrtti> wallpaper would be nice... https://www.moomin.com/en/blog/moomin-wallpapers-design-finland/
[13:48] <Myrtti> ahem.
[13:48] <daftykins> drafty 16th century place
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> €80 every 2 months for leccy on average but last bill was €100 due to heating for winter
[13:48] <daftykins> diplo: you mean unlucky if it reaches £100?
[13:49] <diplo> I'd move daftykins :D
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> he's keeping an eye out for unrennovated castle... :-D
[13:50] <daftykins> ;) nah i think i did get a bit too comfortable switching it on this year
[13:50] <diplo> I think I spend about £70/mnth combined
[14:06] <Seeker`> Myrtti: you used to saying "the husband" yet? :P
[14:09] <diddledan> Seeker`: one orften speak of one's husband
[14:10] <shauno> I assume he lost his name in some terrible industrial accident?
[14:22] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I've called him the husband a few times even before we got married... it's more natural than whatever I've referred him as before... apart from dsample
[14:24] <davmor2> daftykins: what's this teach you about Gas propelled turbines they are not economical at all ;)
[14:25] <daftykins> my evil lair will never be complete!
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you use an extinct volcano as most of the mood setting is done for you :-)
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> or there used to be castlesforsales.com which had excellent potential for evil overlords in training
[14:32] <daftykins> it's just too tough to get good, honest henchpersons these days :(
[14:32] <daftykins> (P.C. gone mad)
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> have you tried offering them a t-shirt with their blood group printed on it? :-)
[14:33] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: sounds like daftykins is already heating a castle :D
[14:33] <shauno> only because you avoid reddit :)  the evil and gullible are plentiful :)
[15:37] <diddledan> drupal is a slog
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> there are other content management systems if you don't like it...
[15:38] <diddledan> it's not a case of whether I like it - it's been dictated
[15:38] <diddledan> dictated/mandated
[15:38] <daftykins> a mates setting up a site for his girlfriends new biz, but he doesn't really do any web admin or what not - i was a bit concerned he'll end up backing himself into a corner
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> in that case moan on ;-)
[15:39] <daftykins> compared to say, a simple wordpress + paid for theme approach
[15:39] <diddledan> still, I got my coloured logs sorted, which is nice
[15:40] <daftykins> christmas log?
[15:40] <diddledan> lurve those!
[15:40] <bashrc_> yule log
[15:40] <diddledan> they're as good as fudgecake
[15:59] <diddledan> cross your fingers!
[15:59]  * diddledan closes his eyes and prods the "go" button
[15:59] <diddledan> bah
[15:59] <diddledan> it no work
[15:59] <daftykins> ;]
[16:00] <diddledan> no error message neither
[16:00] <diddledan> that is odd
[16:01] <diddledan> aah the logfile got rotated underneath my viewer
[16:01] <DJones> diddledan: Typical linux then, no error message means it worked sucessfuly doesn't it
[16:01] <diddledan> lol
[16:10] <diddledan> there's a reason to hate drupal. it's the evil nested array thing it has going-on
[16:12] <shauno> I'm not sure I've seen a CMS that isn't evil incarnate.  seems to be the nature of the beast
[16:12] <diddledan> I can drive wordpress. drupal just has me going "huh?"
[16:13] <diddledan> like it won't let me output a field because it says that the thing it gave me isn't the thing it needs
[16:14] <diddledan> I have no idea how to get it the thing it says it needs
[16:14] <daftykins> if you're having fun with it, i definitely feel justified in telling that mate he should just buy a wordpress theme and not faff too much :P
[16:14] <shauno> ebay :)
[16:14] <diddledan> Exception: Missing bundle property on entity of type taxonomy_term.
[16:14] <diplo> daftykins: For selling stuff? ( Friends girlfriend thing )
[16:14] <daftykins> diplo: nah just company awareness
[16:15] <diplo> Ah right, defo go for asimple site and theme then yeah I'd agree
[16:15] <diplo> Sod all maintenance
[16:15] <diddledan> I've got to the point where I'm dumping all the things via debug
[16:18] <daftykins> diplo: :D i was trying to explain to him that although i'm sure it's fun for him to learn and muck about with things, he won't enjoy dealing with the proverbial hitting the fan if what he does brings in some insecurity
[16:19] <daftykins> looks like i might be winning on swaying them over to google apps instead of basic IMAP too, phew
[16:21] <diplo> Good work! :) I find it hard as well
[16:22] <daftykins> think he said they're with something called hostpapa 0o
[16:58] <diddledan> ok, I'm confused. I've got an array which I've confirmed has an element with the key I'm requesting yet it's still coming back null
[16:59] <diddledan> ooooh
[16:59] <diddledan> nested functions work differently in php to javascript
[16:59] <diddledan> I was javascript head
[19:43] <apacheuk> so messing around with the ubuntuphone and so far loving it, except everytime I close the twitter app (swipe it away) and open it again I have to enter my login details again, I have a really long password so its a pain.... anyone any ideas? maybe something I'm doing wrong
[19:45] <popey> apacheuk: did you sign in to twitter using online accounts? System Settings -> Online accounts.
[19:45] <apacheuk> yeah
[19:46] <apacheuk> er... ok scratch that, seems I missed that account :) adding it now
[19:48] <apacheuk> all ok now
[20:21] <mapps> superb
[20:21] <mapps> my phones 'delayed at customs'
[20:21] <mapps> according to tracking
[20:23] <popey> awww
[20:24] <mapps> yep really handy
[20:24] <mapps> cost £45 in postage which was bad enough
[20:24] <mapps> i didn't think it would cost even half that..had i known i'd have just ordered it to spain;/
[21:04] <diddledan> it's DONE
[21:05] <diddledan> can we fix it?!
[21:05] <diddledan> YES WE CAN!!
[21:05] <diddledan> so I resorted to manually writing SQL
[21:09] <diddledan> now to package it up so my boss can have a play in the morning
[21:24] <mapps> for what
[21:26] <diddledan> it's a drupal thingy
[21:26] <diddledan> mapps: ^^
[21:26] <diddledan> mapps: we're building-out an intranetty thing for a government department
[21:27] <diddledan> they needed a system status feature that wasn't driven by live updates but controlled by posts in the cms
[21:28] <diddledan> hopefully my SQL is compatible with SQLServer (they won't use mySQL :-()
[21:28] <diddledan> that's my "SQL" in the first case
[21:28] <diddledan> as in my sql-code
[21:29] <diddledan> confusing to have a server called mySQL when you're also talking about your own SQL code
[21:36] <intrbiz> ^^ another reason to use PostgreSQL then
[21:39] <diddledan> lol
[21:45] <mapps> aha
[21:45] <mapps> why not
[21:45] <mapps> mysql is ok
[21:45] <mapps> what about mariaDB
[21:46] <diddledan> maria or mysql would be preferable over ms sqlserver
[21:48] <intrbiz> PostgreSQL would be preferable over Maria, MySQL or MSSQL
[21:51] <mapps> hm
[21:55] <czajkowski> it arrived https://plus.google.com/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/SbRPpDcviAj
[21:56] <mapps> sweet
[21:56] <mapps> :D
[21:57] <mapps> what phone were you using before
[21:59] <czajkowski> samsung 4 zoom
[22:04] <shauno> your postman keeps some odd hours ;)
[22:11] <czajkowski> only in the door


[22:42] <isforinsects> I notice the vocab page doesn't define a 'click', are multi touch clicks not supported?


[00:03] <tomreyn> finally someone has those good ideas you couldn't think of for all those years! ;-)


[01:28] <levjamin> Hello, so I have an issue that may need to be fixed. Whenever I turn on my computer during the boot screen after I unlock my hard drive (it's encrypted) and while it's loading it says "The disk drive for /drv/mapper/xubuntu--vg-swap_1 is not ready or not present. Continue to wait, or press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery." Any advice?
[01:57] <holstein> levjamin: i just wait on that message..
[02:14] <acalbaza> upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 and now i have an issue with grub... why is this?
[02:14] <holstein> acalbaza: not sure.. is your question, how to fix grub?
[02:14] <holstein> !grub
[02:15] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[02:17] <acalbaza> holstein: not really... i'm just wondering why the error popped up.  i see the reported bug against 14.04 but i don't understand the cause.  just curious.
[02:17] <holstein> acalbaza: why what error "popped up" where? when?
[02:17] <holstein> acalbaza: what bug?
[02:18] <acalbaza> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289977
[02:19] <holstein> acalbaza: and the question is "why' ?
[02:19] <holstein> !contribut
[02:19] <holstein> !contribute
[02:19] <holstein> acalbaza: feel free and get involved in testing on any level or volunteer developement...
[02:20] <acalbaza> yes, the question is why
[02:20] <holstein> acalbaza: thinkg break, friend
[02:21] <holstein> acalbaza: i mean, is the goal to locate the individual volunteer responsible? are you interested in paying them to give it more attention? or complain?
[02:22] <acalbaza> ehh.  none of the above... i'm curious as to the cause.  nothing more.
[02:22] <holstein> acalbaza: im sure there are details at the bug report
[02:23] <holstein> i mean.. things break.. have you never enountered a bug before?
[02:23] <acalbaza> holstein: yup.  i have.
[02:23] <holstein> acalbaza: why did they happen?
[02:25] <acalbaza> i'm puzzled why you find it odd that i'm asking to find out more detail about something.
[02:26] <holstein> acalbaza: sorry to puzzle you.. i dont mean to make you find it odd.. its not more detail about "something".. its seems specifically that you are wondering why that bug exists...
[02:27] <holstein> acalbaza: im sure im just reading too much into it.. feel free and use the #ubuntu main suppot channel, since this is likely a grub related thing that is not specific to xubuntu
[02:28] <acalbaza> i think you are
[02:28] <holstein> maybe someone in trhe main channel,or grub community will be able to tell you why that bug exists
[02:29] <acalbaza> and you're right, its not really specific to xubuntu.  just a bump on the upgrade path.
[02:29] <acalbaza> ya, maybe someone can.
[02:30] <holstein> just not sure what the goal is..
[02:31] <acalbaza> its okay if you dont understand.
[02:31] <holstein> acalbaza: feel free and elaborate
[02:32] <acalbaza> no.  i've stated my question clearly enough.  no further elaboration is necessary.
[02:33] <holstein> acalbaza: im specifically questioning the clarity, friend. but, we can let it go.. you can look elsewhere for the answer
[02:37] <holstein> acalbaza: in reference to your quesiton in #ubuntu, i have seen those messages when my config file was specifiying something grub didnt support
[02:38] <slitt> Is there a problem with xubuntu.org? It downloads like dialup.
[02:39] <holstein> slitt: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/xubuntu.org states its down
[02:40] <slitt> thanks holstein. Now I don't feel so bad. Interestlingly, ubuntu.com is downt to.
[04:37] <vrkalak> ... hold-on (running Diagnostic)
[09:14] <Aiena> Hi I used the xubuntu minimal install dbvd and selected xfce from the list
[09:14] <Aiena> however when I rebooted it booted into tty
[09:14] <Aiena> it appears xfce was not instaled even though I selected xubuntu
[09:14] <Aiena> is that normal ?
[09:18] <Aiena> hmm problerm solved
[09:18] <Aiena> I needed to install the pattern xubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <Aiena> hmm weird I get 24 kbps for the gnome packages only when pulling
[10:21] <egsome> Sometimes after unlocking the screen I get my Keyboard not working, So I do lock and unlock again it comes back working .. Anybody face the same problem ?
[10:22] <Aiena> hmm not experienced it
[10:29] <egsome> Aiena, I use USB Keyboard, But it doesn't happen to my USB Mouse.
[10:31] <Aiena> oops sorry this is the xubuntu channel
[10:31] <Aiena> hmm egsome not sure about xubuntu
[10:31] <Aiena> brb
[10:31] <egsome> Aiena, OK
[10:43] <nikolam> and indicator plugin in 14.04 dies. (anzone knows another system tray for displaying network manager in xfce?)
[12:38] <alanford> hi guys
[12:38] <alanford> I need some help with xubuntu
[12:38] <alanford> anyone willing to hear me out?
[12:38] <cfhowlett> !ask|alanford
[12:39] <alanford> ok .. I installed ubuntu 14.04 and then I switched to xubuntu
[12:39] <cfhowlett> alanford so you installed xubuntu?
[12:39] <alanford> with the command sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <alanford> yeah.. and now I dont get the whisker menu
[12:39] <cfhowlett> alanford got it ...
[12:39] <alanford> and I have the launcher on the bottom
[12:40] <alanford> it seems like its an older version of xubuntu
[12:40] <cfhowlett> alanford logout.  choose xubuntu session.  login
[12:40] <alanford> or am I missing something
[12:40] <alanford> I did
[12:40] <alanford> even restarted
[12:41] <alanford> i uninstalled all the ubuntu packages
[12:41] <alanford> does this mean I have to  do a clean install to get the latest xubuntu goodies?
[12:41] <cfhowlett> alanford shouldn't be necessary but ...
[12:41] <cfhowlett> alanford install xubuntu-desktop again then run dist-upgrade
[12:42] <alanford> ok ... will try .. is it sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:42] <alanford> ?
[12:42] <brainwash> remove ~/.config/xfce4 and relog
[13:18] <zbrkxbr> finally I can stop the jumping one distro to another. Xubuntu beats all of'em.
[13:34] <random99> Hi!
[13:34] <random99> I'm trying to update Xubuntu
[13:34] <random99> but I get an error message saying that /boot is full and that I should run apt-get clean
[13:35] <random99> but this does not change anything
[13:35] <random99> what am I supposed to do?
[13:36] <knome> random99, what does 'df -h /boot' on terminal say?
[13:37] <random99> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[13:37] <random99>  /dev/sda2       237M  172M   53M  77% /boot
[13:38] <cfhowlett> random99 sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get purge && sudo apt-get autoremove                might help.  beyond that, I'd bet removing some outdated kernels would help
[13:39] <random99> that command didn't make a change
[13:39] <random99> how do I remove old kernels?
[13:39] <random99> (and why does Xubunto keep old kernels around?!)
[13:40] <knome> random99, because if the latest one makes your system unbootable, you are able to boot the older one
[13:40] <cfhowlett> random99 best practice is to keep at least one old kernel on board - just in case
[13:40] <random99> it seems that Xubuntu doesn't delete any kernels
[13:40] <random99> okay
[13:40] <random99> how do  I delete them?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> random99 NO ubuntu deletes kernels
[13:41] <random99> but other distros do?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !kernel
[13:42] <random99> how do I find out which kernel I run?
[13:44] <cfhowlett> random99 http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-redhat-linux-delete-kernel-command/
[13:46] <random99> if /boot tends to overflow with old kernels, why isn't that partion much larger by default?
[13:46] <random99> this seems to be a huge oversight of ubuntu/xubuntu
[13:47] <knome> random99, the default installation does not create a separate /boot partition
[13:47] <cfhowlett> random99 ^^^ this
[13:48] <random99> why doesn't it?
[13:48] <random99> not to sound ungrateful, but it's pretty damning that I have to waste time on things that should be automated
[13:49] <cfhowlett> random99 "with great power ..."
[13:50] <knome> random99, why doesn't it create a separate /boot partition by default? because there's no reason to, and if it created one, you'd "waste" space?
[13:50] <random99> well,a good reason would be that the user did not have to regularly spend time cleaning out /boot
[13:50] <elfy> who has a /boot partition?
[13:51] <elfy> I don't
[13:51] <random99> nice, and now I ran into a bug that doesn't allowt he software update image to be displayed
[13:51] <random99> i'm off to using a different distro
[13:51] <random99> this is a joke
[13:51] <knome> have fun
[13:51] <elfy> cya
[13:53] <knome> why be so hostile; he was getting help, and to be honest, the problems were caused by something he did
[13:54] <cfhowlett> knome some people just "want it to work" ..
[13:54] <cfhowlett> knome understandable.
[13:55] <knome> so do i, but if i create a non-standard installation, i acknowledge my actions might be the cause for it "not just working", and i won't blame the development team for my choices
[13:57] <cfhowlett> knome yes, but you (and I) are in the minority of potential users.  most turn on, expect it to fly and if it doesn't, they want instant repairs that are wholly unimpeded by the thought process
[13:57] <knome> cfhowlett, that doesn't warrant hostile attitude against people who voluntarily give support.
[13:57] <knome> nothing does.
[13:58] <cfhowlett> knome I don't take it personally - although I do miss the /ignore functionality
[13:59] <knome> i don't take it personally either, but that does still not warrant hostile attitude.
[14:00] <cfhowlett> knome "Forget it knome.  It's internetz."
[15:15] <xubuntu361> wow. FF while installing. Cool.
[15:15] <knome> xubuntu361, enjoy. do you have a support question?
[15:16] <xubuntu361> Not yet. Everithing looks fine
[15:16] <xubuntu361> Thank you
[15:28] <xubuntu641> bonjour
[16:09] <xubuntu531> open jar file
[16:16] <SamSol> Why xubuntu is dying?
[16:16] <SamSol> It is clean new system
[16:17] <SamSol> is it mlocate makes it completelly unusable?
[16:19] <SamSol> Hmmm... turnign off indicator plugin turns off xchat!!!
[16:19] <SamSol> WTF?!
[16:22] <knome> SamSol, please watch the language, and remember we are all volunteers here
[16:23] <SamSol> sorry
[16:30] <SamSol> Where is "Software Updater"?
[16:31] <SamSol> In "Ubuntu Software Center" i see it is installed. But i can't find it in "start menu"
[16:36] <MisterAcacia> SamSol: Look in Settings, under System
[16:38] <SamSol> Thank you. It is not in "Start->System->Settings" (i have no such item in System). It is "Start->[fancy button with 'All Settings' tooltip]"
[16:38] <SamSol> stunning!
[16:41] <madlybad> hy
[16:41] <MisterAcacia> SamSol: I didn't mean to imply the Settings menu, but it sounds like you found it
[16:42] <SamSol> Does anybody know why mlocate ride over my HDD every morning? Why it scratch my HDD half of hour?
[16:42] <SamSol> Yep, MisterAcacia, you pointed me in right direction.
[16:45] <ARM9> software updater glitching out HARD
[16:45] <bekks> that means?
[16:45] <ARM9> constant 25% cpu usage, completely frozen
[16:45] <ARM9> seems to be hogging net trafic as well
[16:46] <bekks> And what did you do before?
[16:46] <ARM9> booted up my system
[16:46] <ARM9> soon as software updater popped up I unchecked some pidgin crap that you can't opt out of apparently (comes up every time I start the system)
[16:46] <ARM9> and then it started freezing
[16:47] <ARM9> unplugging my second monitor seemed to fix it(?)
[16:49] <SamSol> i found that it is 'locate' also available in repository. Trying to remove mlocate and install locate.
[16:55] <fede> ho impostato come schermo principale la tv collegata tramite vga....solo che lo schermo diventa nero e non posso fare più nulla. mi hanno fatto riavviare in modalità di ripristino ma mi sono bloccato lì
[16:56] <bazhang> !it
[17:00] <fede> sorry. I've choose as principal monitor my tv linked by vga cable.but the screen became black!!! how I return to the principal monitor??
[17:09] <WebDawg> I have xubuntu installed on a desktop.  How can I disable power management.
[17:09] <WebDawg> ?
[17:09] <WebDawg> Auto locking the screen.
[17:09] <WebDawg> Etc.
[17:10] <ARM9> main menu -> all settings (it's the icon on the left at the bottom, a bit questionable placement imo)
[17:10] <ARM9> then power manager
[17:13] <WebDawg> That does not work.
[17:13] <WebDawg> At all.  System still blanks every twenty mins.  Still hibernates.
[17:14] <WebDawg> You think a DPMS script would work better?
[17:42] <SamSol> Where is sound icon in tray bar?
[17:43] <SamSol> How to OFF black tooltips?
[17:49] <BBLLCC> hi
[17:49] <BBLLCC> i just created an account with jitsi and xmpp, id like to test it, any volunteer to send me his/her username?
[17:49] <BBLLCC> with this I can also talk to people who only have skype, right?
[17:50] <SamSol><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:50] <SamSol> oops. I have no skipe. Jabber/XMPP only
[17:50] <bekks> BBLLCC: No, Skype requires the proprietary skype software.
[17:50] <BBLLCC> ok, no biggie
[17:51] <BBLLCC> ok, and how do I talk to ssoldatenko?
[18:04] <BBLLCC> cool
[18:04] <BBLLCC> geil
[18:04] <BBLLCC> it works
[18:47] <BBLLCC> what protocols are jitsi compatible?
[18:47] <bekks> BBLLCC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi#Supported_protocols
[18:48] <hylian> man xubuntu rocks. as of 14.04 it's been solid as gebraltar.
[18:48] <BBLLCC> is gebraltar really an OS?
[18:49] <BBLLCC> or you mean gibraltar?
[18:49] <bekks> How is that related to Ubuntu?
[18:53] <hylian> BBLLCC: I meant, as in "solid as the rock of gibraltar"
[18:53] <BBLLCC> cool, i didnt know that expression was still in use
[18:53] <BBLLCC> is*
[18:54] <hylian> BBLLCC: I'm an old duck.
[18:55] <BBLLCC> i assume you are british...
[18:56] <hylian> BBLLCC: Actually, I am from the states, wisconsin to be exact.
[18:56] <BBLLCC> reading some history books lately?
[18:57] <deshipu> may I recommend the #xubuntu-offtopic chat for the random chat? :)
[18:57] <hylian> BBLLCC: yes, I love history, but not lately. I read up on calpe some time in the early 90's.
[19:01] <hylian> has anyone else had issue with xchat jumping the gun on sending the password to freenode, causing freenode to ask for said password?
[19:07] <hylian> good bye all
[19:36] <daviator> hello
[19:36] <daviator> i need some help
[19:38] <daviator> i want to look at partions i already have on my disc
[19:38] <daviator> how can i do that?
[19:40] <deshipu> with gparted
[19:43] <daviator> thanks
[19:44] <daviator> but i cannot find it
[19:47] <David-A> daviator: you have to install gparted. use the software center (or synaptic or apt-get or what you like the most)
[19:47] <bazhang> !crosspost | daviator
[19:48] <David-A> daviator: by "look at partitions" do you mean get an overview of the partitions, their size and type, and/or change them, or do you mean open the file system in the partition to look at the files?
[19:49] <David-A> daviator: to open a partition (mount it) you do not need gparted or any special program.
[19:49] <daviator> oh.. i`am sorry
[19:51] <daviator> its a bad habit to write in different chats at ones :) i`am really sorry for that
[19:51] <daviator> so, i have installed gparted
[19:51] <daviator> thanks for help :) it was really useful
[19:53] <daviator> about partions. i want to look how much of memory used for swap, home and other partions
[19:53] <daviator> just for interest
[19:56] <daviator> when i was installing xubuntu, in the install menu i choosed other, then i saw a table with partions, when i tried to place "/" with 10GB, "/swap" - 6GB, "/home" - 89GB
[19:56] <daviator> but i cannot to do that
[19:58] <daviator> because after i set "/swap" with 6GB (5-th in the list), i cannot to set other free memory for other parts
[19:58] <daviator> then i quit from that menu, and choosed "Install xubuntu with windows"
[19:59] <daviator> thats all
[20:00] <David-A> daviator: you can use "sudo fdisk -l" just to see what you have. but gparted is more user friendly.
[20:02] <David-A> daviator: too see the amount of swap space, you can use "swapon -s"
[20:03] <daviator> i have wrote that command but terminal said that this command not found
[20:04] <David-A> daviator: then use gparted (fdisk is in package util-linux, don't know if that is installed by default)
[20:05] <daviator> i`am new in linux
[20:10] <David-A> daviator: are you confused by words like "package", "application", "program", and "app"? (they are all the same thing)
[20:10] <David-A> (well, more or less)
[20:12] <daviator> i understands them :) alittle ...
[20:13] <David-A> daviator: so, I suppose you have gparted up, and can see how the disk is partitioned
[20:14] <daviator> yes
[20:14] <David-A> daviator: next question, I suppose, is, do you like what you see?
[20:16] <daviator> i think yes, but i want to make my swap a bit bigger then 2,69 GB
[20:16] <daviator> maybe 6 GB
[20:16] <daviator> how can i do that?
[20:16] <David-A> daviator: is this a laptop or desktop? how much ram?
[20:16] <daviator> laptop, 3GB RAM
[20:19] <David-A> daviator: for normal use, you would need very little swap, about 1GB. for suspend mode (sleep) you would need swap about the same as ram.
[20:19] <daviator> oh... so 2.69 Gb RAM is enough?
[20:20] <daviator> sorry 2.69 Gb swap is enough?
[20:20] <bekks> daviator: 3.1 is enough.
[20:21] <David-A> daviator: it depends. it is a little smaller than ram. I think it can sleep in a swap smaller than ram if ram was not fully utilized, but to be sure, it may not be enough. for sleep that is.
[20:21] <daviator> how can i release 400 MB for swap through gparted?
[20:23] <David-A> daviator: to increase the size of the swap partition, you may need to decrease the size of the partition before or after it (unless there already is free space there)
[20:24] <David-A> daviator: or if there is free space somewhere else on the disk (not occupied by a used partition), you can add an additional swap area there.
[20:24] <daviator> i have no free space
[20:24] <daviator> i have to paralell working OS`s
[20:25] <daviator> i have to paralell working 2 OS`s
[20:25] <David-A> daviator: dual boot
[20:25] <daviator> no no :)
[20:25] <David-A> ?
[20:26] <daviator> i mean that i have two OS`s installed on one HDD but working on one of them
[20:26] <daviator> and there no free space for swap
[20:27] <David-A> daviator: you have 2 os installed on one hdd, and select which one to boot when you power up?
[20:27] <daviator> yes
[20:27] <David-A> daviator: I know that as "dual boot"
[20:27] <daviator> oh.. sorry i didnt know
[20:29] <David-A> daviator: if you need to increase swap, and therefor decrease size of another partition, we could give better advice if we know how the disk is currently partitioned.
[20:31] <daviator> Windows: pt1:35Gb,pt2:100Gb. Linux: pt3: 95GB, pt4:2.69
[20:31] <David-A> daviator: but first. have you tested if suspend works when running xubuntu on your laptop? (that it can go to sleep and then wake up again)
[20:31] <daviator> ok i`ll try
[20:32] <daviator> give me a minute
[20:39] <David-A> (expecting reestablished contact with daviator within five minutes)
[20:43] <David-A> (still waiting for a signal from daviator. we do not want this ship to be lost)
[20:45] <David-A> \o/  daviator is back!
[20:45] <David-A> what's the verdict?
[20:45] <daviator> it don`t want to go asleep
[20:46] <David-A> :(
[20:46] <daviator> :(
[20:46] <daviator> T_T
[20:47] <daviator> ok
[20:47] <daviator> thanks for a biggest help :)
[20:47] <David-A> daviator: does it say why it doesn't want to?
[20:47] <daviator> no
[20:48] <daviator> just an error with "cannot turn to sleep mode"
[20:48] <daviator> smth like that :)
[20:48] <daviator> i am lucky
[20:49] <David-A> daviator: a-ha, positive thinking :)
[20:49] <daviator> yeap
[20:49] <daviator> :)
[20:50] <daviator> all ukrainians like that
[20:50] <David-A> daviator: you should try find out why it really does not want to. and fix that. it might be something else than the size of swap. but we don't know now.
[20:51] <daviator> it cant leaved without a hand on it :)
[20:52] <daviator> i think that i`ll handle it
[20:52] <daviator> (with your help offcourse) :)
[20:52] <David-A> daviator: anyway, you should find out before trying to change partition sizes.
[20:52] <daviator> ok
[20:52] <daviator> but i so tiered
[20:54] <daviator> can we talk tomorrow at the same time?
[20:54] <David-A> daviator: yea, don't do important system maintenance while tired. watch a film and then go to sleep.
[20:55] <daviator> ok. and a big big thanks for so much help
[20:55] <daviator> :)
[20:55] <David-A> daviator: I am not here every day. but you'll find someone
[20:56] <daviator> ok thanks
[20:57] <daviator> good night
[21:58] <kostex> hi there.. I did something stupid? maybe it's nothing, maybe it is.. I'm new to linux..   I've downloaded an application which stated I need libstdc++.so.6   so I went about and apt-get installed libstdc++  My Ubuntu Studio 14.04 went haywire and left me with a message: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages... I did not do anything afterwards.. Is there a quick fix?
[21:59] <luisja1006> Hello! I am having some problems with wifi in my xubuntu. The system connects to the belking wifi router, but I have to constantly reconnect to get internet connection. Could someone give me a helping hand?
[22:15] <David-A> kostex: (I dont know what the problem is but...) try look in the history logs in /var/log/apt/ if the install did uninstall something because of conflicting dependencies.
[22:21] <luisja1006> David-A lspci shows: http://pastebin.com/N1ThfArf
[22:21] <luisja1006> kubuntu 14.04


[11:57] <shadidan> hey
[11:58] <shadidan> anyone can help me ?
[11:58] <Rafik> shadidan, on what ?
[11:58] <shadidan> linux
[11:58] <shadidan> :S
[11:58] <Rafik> :)
[11:58] <shadidan> this  is my first time i work with linux
[11:59] <Rafik> shadidan, you can find help with ubuntu at the channel #ubuntu, this one is not for support
[11:59] <shadidan> how can i copy file in the terminal ??
[11:59] <shadidan> thank u anyway :D
[12:00] <Rafik> yw
[12:00] <shadidan> bye
[22:46] <marli2> hello?
[22:51] <marli2> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
[23:15] <RainCT> hi marli2
[23:15] <RainCT> you're not alone in the dark :P
[23:27] <marli2> im off to bad


[01:00] <guiverc> i thought this was good (even if only feel good; no news) https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/07/ubuntu-review-forbes-dell-xps-13
[01:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I can use a feel good too right now :)
[01:08] <guiverc> :)
[01:14] <Bashing-om> time to work up motivation to start doing the summeries . Oh My !
[01:23] <krytarik> I would have loved to add the actual post at Forbes to the press section, but unfortunately it doesn't even seem to load unless scripts from Google Analytics are allowed.
[01:36] <guiverc> :) @ krytarik
[01:58] <guiverc> yeah the forbes article was much [much] better.  i guess [my] lynx allows analytics
[07:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Nobuto Murata: Minimal Dynamic DNS configuration for No-IP.com with ddclient @ https://medium.com/@nobuto_m/minimal-dynamic-dns-configuration-for-no-ip-com-with-ddclient-cb7c038a74be?source=rss-fc932ca61e26------2
[08:27] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Xubuntu: Xubuntu 17.10 EOL @ https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-17-10-eol/
[09:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: GNOME 3.30 Desktop Environment to Enter Beta on August 1, GNOME 3.29.4 Is Out @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-3-30-desktop-environment-to-enter-beta-testing-on-august-1-2018-522052.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[15:49] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: NetBSD 8.0 Released with Spectre V2/V4, Meltdown, and Lazy FPU Mitigations @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/netbsd-8-0-released-with-spectre-v2-v4-meltdown-and-lazy-fpu-mitigations-522054.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[19:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: KDE Applications 18.08 Software Suite Enters Beta, Adds Apple Wallet Pass Reader @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-18-08-software-suite-enters-beta-adds-apple-wallet-pass-reader-522055.shtml (by Marius Nestor)


[23:23] <valorie> husband installed the new router, I hope that that along with bcooksley's "whacking about" my bnc will solve my connection problems long-term


[03:02] <duoi> Hi all! i want to repack a live CD ISO so that i dont have to go through the bootloader that prompts me to install. Any suggestions on what files to edit?
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <highvoltage> 6
[09:09] <Laney> a good number