[02:12] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2590](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2590): Fix timestamp calibration... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/59f3f7724756385cd87777bd1151f73df64b83ce)
[07:13] <Saviq> w00t sophie!
[08:17] <Saviq> And scrolling is good again :)
[08:44] <Saviq> Hmm it's the second time my caps is stuck... oWAIT wth IS going ON?
[08:45] <alan_g[m]> You're seeing https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2025? I hoped that was gone
[08:54] <Saviq> Don't think it's that, as I can Shift it to go back to no caps
[08:54] <Saviq> But otherwise it sounds similar, and it did reconcile itself
[08:54] <alan_g[m]> In that case it is something new
[08:57] <alan_g[m]> What do you think of cherry-picking #2590 and reviewing possible alternate solutions on main?
[09:01] <Saviq> WFM
[09:14] <RAOF> Ooof. I didn't hit send on that review soon enough :)
[09:14] <Saviq> There's always `bors cancel` :)
[09:15] <RAOF> Eh; we can cherry-pick it and then remove the code in `main`
[09:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2590](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2590): Fix timestamp calibration
[09:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2577](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2577): [2.9] Weird scrolling in, for example Firefox
[09:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [pull request #2562](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2562): Release 2.9.0
[09:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [pull request #2562](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2562): Release 2.9.0
[09:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2591](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2591): Don't try to calebrate timestamps
[09:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[09:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Everyone should be using `steady_clock` (or equivalant)
[09:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq requested a review from wmww for [pull request #2591](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2591): Don't try to calebrate timestamps
[10:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2586](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2586): Implement focus stealing prevention
[10:22] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement and removed bug from [issue #2586](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2586): Implement focus stealing prevention
[10:33] <Saviq> So `snapd userd` is running, but xdg-open doesn't do anything, there must be something else we're missing in this scenario (like the shell listening to "open this" signals somewhere)
[10:35] <alan_g[m]> I've lost context. What doesn't xdg-open handle?
[10:36] <alan_g[m]> E.g. `xdg-open https://bbc.co.uk` WFM
[10:38] <Saviq> OK my bad. Yes `xdg-open` works. But apps must not be using it somehow
[10:38] <Saviq> s/apps/snapps/
[10:39] <Saviq> I can click on a URL in mate-terminal and that works, but not from snaps
[10:39] <alan_g[m]> I don't know how (if) that is supposed to work for confined snaps
[10:40] <Saviq> It is supposed to work, and works in GNOME (xdg-open in snaps is made to talk to userd)
[10:40] <alan_g[m]> Probably a dbus service
[10:40] <Saviq> Fractal complains `Server is missing xdg_foreign support`, but that's unlikely to be the real problem
[10:42] <alan_g[m]> As far as Miriway is concerned xdg_foreign is for "shell" bits only
[10:42] <Saviq> Yeah and why would Fractal need that..
[10:42] <Saviq> Well, it's G[TD]K that complains, in fact
[10:47] <alan_g[m]> Well, the Wayland world is rather "wild west": nobody is enforcing any rules.
[10:48] <Saviq> That.
[10:51] <Saviq> D'oh.
[10:51] <Saviq> xdg-desktop-portal[500395]: Error: no DISPLAY environment variable specified
[10:52] <alan_g[m]> LOL
[10:52] <alan_g[m]> You and MATE bugs
[10:54] <Saviq> I don't think that's MATE, it should be DBus, so we may need to be telling dbus the DISPLAY value
[10:54] <Saviq> That said, the portal should probably not assume X
[10:54] <alan_g[m]> :that:
[10:57] <Saviq> And that fixes indeed
[10:58] <alan_g[m]> Something you can add to Miriway?
[11:08] <Saviq> https://github.com/Miriway/Miriway/pull/2
[11:12] <Saviq> I didn't think it right to include `add-wayland-extensions=zwlr_layer_shell_v1` in the default config, maybe as a separate comment?
[11:13] <Saviq> And just read your comment to the same effect.
[11:23] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2592](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2592): CapsLock state gets stuck
[11:23] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2592](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2592): CapsLock state gets stuck... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0fae4e66ff2c727aee683ca43c03d4bcad47733c)
[11:27] <Saviq> Hmm so sometimes maximized windows flash through from time to time when I'm typing. Known?
[11:27] <Saviq> It doesn't change focus, but I just get a frame or two of (I think) the window from behind.
[11:28] <Saviq> sometimes--
[11:29] <alan_g[m]> Not something I've noticed. Will watch for it
[11:29] <Saviq> Mostly noticable when my front window is dark
[11:29] <Saviq> (and the back one isn't)
[11:30] <Saviq> But I only saw it a couple times so far, so not much data yet
[13:26] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths published [v2.9.0: Release 2.9.0](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/releases/tag/v2.9.0)
[14:00] <alan_g[m]> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mir-release-2-9-0/
[14:01] <Saviq> "Remove assistance"… ;)
[14:02] <alan_g[m]> Fixed. Somehow I read what I intended to write
[14:02] <Saviq> And "Mir 2.8" under supported distros
[15:26] <sophie-w> Where is libinput documented to use a specific time base? Where is steady_clock document to use a specific time base?
[15:27] <sophie-w> RAOF says "libinput guarantees its event timestamps are on CLOCK_MONOTONIC" but there's no source
[15:28] <sophie-w> (I looked for any guarantee of time base before implementing my PR, and couldn't find it)
[15:30] <alan_g[m]> /**... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4e248054ed3f1ee927e8aada083821d964c4bcf0)
[15:31] <alan_g[m]> There's really only one sane way to implement `steady_clock`
[15:32] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [pull request #2591](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2591): Don't try to calibrate timestamps
[15:43] <sophie-w> Still not sold on disabling timestamp calibration, mostly because the Wayland protocol says they have an undefined base. https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2591#pullrequestreview-1087152203
[16:33] <Saviq> Good weekend all o/


[00:37] <bazhang> k1l_, weijunli is using a custom complied kernel in a vm
[00:37] <bazhang> compiled
[00:38] <k1l_> bazhang: i was talking to the excelsio1a with issues with vbox module
[00:39] <bazhang> k1l_, just a heads up, as they are currently asking #ubuntu support, and not giving the full info at all
[00:39] <k1l_> ah ok, thanks.
[10:38] <bazhang> he claims to run firefox with 256mb ram
[10:38] <k1l_> with 4gb swap?
[10:38] <bazhang> I dont think even the ages ago netscape would do that
[10:39] <bazhang> 4gb swap and 256ram?
[10:39] <bazhang> mb
[10:39] <bazhang> and he wants to run a full HD movie on that machine
[10:39] <k1l_> i dont think it will run without heavy swapping
[12:00] <Tm_T> bazhang: I used to run Kubuntu and Firefox with that much ram
[12:01] <Tm_T> it was till a struggle with 512 MiB ram
[12:01] <Tm_T> still even
[12:01] <Tm_T> constant swapping
[12:01] <Tm_T> and if you happened to run apt-get update or install anything with dpkg you were out of ram in no time
[23:14] <bazhang> Tm_T, full HD video on 256ram with an ancient gpu?
[23:15] <k1l> and flash
[23:15] <bazhang> I could get a very slow compiz cube with that, a decade ago
[23:15] <bazhang> not that ram amount though
[23:16] <bazhang> 1gb for the then kde3
[23:39] <bazhang> that get-selections works here
[23:39] <bazhang> I wonder if he has an actual install to run it against
[23:40] <k1l> i understand it as a task to verify an install.


[01:14] <enigma9o7_irc> Oh my bad, I didnt scroll back to see you were answering someone, I took that as a standalone question.
[01:44] <sem> (I also didn't know how to start it, so thanks) :)
[18:34] <elhoir> lotuspsychje, it was a mesa bug finally
[18:34] <elhoir> no action i can do
[18:35] <elhoir> thanks anyway :)
[23:40] <enyc> Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrm; presumably ubuntu 24.04LTS will not have the 64bit time_t whatnot
[23:41] <enyc> debian going through the change in sid/unstable now but presumably ubuntu long since forked etc already
[23:43] <enyc> ooooooooooooh this only really affects 32bit arches, armhf i386 etc, hrrrrrrrrm
[23:45] <enyc> woo Wookey have talk on the topic!


[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> been good s-fox , gotta go make some dinner right now though
[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> i hope you've been well :)
[00:02] <s-fox> i've been okay, yes, thank you
[15:48] <bodhi_zazen> hello ubuntuforums
[15:48] <Bachstelze> hello bodhi_zazen
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> Just a reminder : http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=404
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> Bachstelze: How are you doing ?
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> long time no see
[15:49] <Bachstelze> yeah, very buxy :x
[15:49] <Bachstelze> busy*
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> busy in a good way I hope
[15:49] <Bachstelze> yourself ?
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> Not bad, busy with the family
[15:50] <Bachstelze> with classes for me, good thing it's almost over
[15:50] <Bachstelze> (until next september, that is)
[16:58] <crond> ugh... banshee goes down more than a $2 hooker on friday night :S
[17:41] <Bachstelze> crond: please make your analogies a bit more family-friendly, thanks ;)
[17:43] <crond> oh apologies, can do!
[17:47] <nhu22> hi


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[05:10] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "RyuKurisu: have you thought abou"> But I did thoroughly searched on the Internet, but the only thing I could find on rotation was a gsetting you could toggle to enable or disable autorotation.
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[19:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3905
[21:07] <wxl> @RyuKurisu[m]: what gsetting?
[21:14] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "@RyuKurisu[m]: what gsetting?"> Something like this: https://askubuntu.com/a/1054060
[21:17] <RyuKurisu[m]> However I'm still tinkering with it and I've merged the scripts again. I've managed to grep the screen and change the coordinate matrix of all pointers  wxl
[21:23] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: yeah pretty sure that's gnome. maybe what would be best is if lxqt could deal with this. maybe make a feature request?
[21:27] <RyuKurisu[m]> When I'm done I most certainly will!
[21:27] <RyuKurisu[m]> I'm almost there
[21:29] <RyuKurisu[m]> Just need to remove an 'annoyance' from it to disable the keyboard
[21:30] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl do you have experience with systray indicators or .desktop files?
[21:30] <wxl> i mean i doubt they will just accept your script
[21:30] <wxl> lxqt isn't programmed in sh XD
[21:30] <wxl> and ultimately by using c++ you have access to lower level facilities that can more directly deal with things
[21:31] <wxl> systray: no. desktop entries: sure, just look up the spec
[21:33] <wxl> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[21:33] <wxl> oh actually the systray should be a spec too https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/systemtray-spec/
[21:33] <wxl> nice
[21:50] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "lxqt isn't programmed in sh XD"> No, but my script stitches together existing programs together, like 'iio-sensor-proxy' 'inotify-tools' 'xrandr'
[21:51] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: i guess what i'm saying is it's a good workaround, but it's not something appropriate for production
[21:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3906
[21:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3907
[21:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3908
[22:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3909
[22:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3910
[23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T177: creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3911


[03:38] <darkxst> jbicha, hmm ubiquity is completely broken atm when run from within live session?
[03:47] <jbicha> I haven't tried ubiquity in a few weeks
[03:48] <jbicha> but I thought 2.5.13 worked
[03:49] <jbicha> as a random guess, maybe the Ubuntu One integration causes problems? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk
[03:50] <jbicha> anyway as long as Ubuntu GNOME doesn't include the Ubuntu One frontend, it shouldn't be part of the install process
[04:11] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh it works with --no-sso option
[07:10] <ubuntuprestient> hi
[07:13] <ubuntuprestient> how can i install priestent ubuntu on usb?
[07:14] <ubuntuprestient> i tried method given on ubuntu website but it only creates live usb not prestent usb
[07:14] <ubuntuprestient> ?
[07:14] <ubuntuprestient> can anyone help me?
[07:27] <darkxst> jbicha, did you see the mutter patch i pasted earlier?


[05:09] <pleia2> finally got to the team report for october (and added a couple for November): http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[06:40] <elky> yay


[01:12] <sistpoty> hi
[01:12] <sistpoty> I could need some help with triaging bug #230350...
[01:12] <sistpoty> anyone who'd like to help me?
[01:13] <sistpoty> (you'll need look at the edge page of lp, the stable version times out for me)
[01:15] <sistpoty> maybe I shoul add the words "easy karma"? *g*
[01:34] <sistpoty> ok, nevermind, been through the list now myself
[03:13] <hwilde> hello my resolution unexplainably downgraded to 800x600.  I get a warning when I login about low res mode.  I have reinstalled the nvidia drivers and they are enabled.  I have restored my xorg.conf.  http://pastebin.com/m4253e049
[03:14] <hwilde> I would like to report a bug with the last xserver update
[03:15] <hwilde> it was previously working fine at 1680x1050 for the entire time of 7.04, 7.10, 8.04
[03:19] <hwilde> brb
[04:26] <hwilde> hello my resolution unexplainably downgraded to 800x600.  I get a warning when I login about low res mode.  I have reinstalled the nvidia drivers and they are enabled.  I have restored my xorg.conf.  http://pastebin.com/m4253e049
[04:26] <hwilde> I would like to report a bug with the last xserver update
[04:27] <hwilde> it was previously working fine at 1680x1050 for the entire time of 7.04, 7.10, 8.04
[04:27] <crimsun> hwilde: 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9.2 from hardy-security?
[04:27] <hwilde> crimsun, how to get that version number
[04:27] <crimsun> either check the changelog or dpkg -l
[04:28] <crimsun> dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core|awk '/^ii/ {print $3}'
[04:29] <hwilde> lol
[04:29] <hwilde> yes the version number you listed is what I have
[04:29] <hwilde> this was working until yesterday
[04:29] <hwilde> is that what changed
[04:29] <crimsun> can you confirm that reverting to 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9 resolves the symptom?
[04:30] <hwilde> !downgrade | crimsun
[04:30] <crimsun> (yes, I'm well aware.  I used to be core-dev.)  I'm asking for testing purposes.
[04:31] <hwilde> how can I revert?
[04:31] <crimsun> first we need to find which packages need to be reverted.
[04:32] <crimsun> dpkg -l|awk '/2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9.2/ {print $2}'
[04:32] <hwilde> xserver-xorg-core
[04:32] <crimsun> ok, so you need: sudo apt-get -thardy --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core
[04:33] <hwilde> ok but it might take me awhile to get back to this 800x600 to confirm... cya on the other side
[04:33] <crimsun> ok.
[04:36] <hwilde> crimsun, that didn't take long
[04:36] <hwilde> now it says I am not using the nvidia x driver and to run nvidia-xconfig
[04:37] <hwilde> doing this has no effect
[04:37] <crimsun> did you reboot?
[04:37] <crimsun> or at least restart gdm?
[04:37] <hwilde> ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[04:37] <crimsun> well, that will zap (kill) the X server, but there's no telling whether it restarts properly
[04:38] <hwilde> since when do you have to reboot linux
[04:38] <crimsun> there are quite a few instances.  This may not be one, hence my recommendation that you at least restart gdm.
[04:38] <hwilde> yes I did this
[04:38] <hwilde> twice
[04:39] <crimsun> with the resulting symptom as reported?
[04:39] <hwilde> it is still in low res mode, and it says it not using nvidia driver
[04:39] <crimsun> can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[04:39] <hwilde> is there a command line pastebin package?
[04:39] <crimsun> yes
[04:40] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[04:40] <hwilde> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[04:40] <hwilde> that is probably a place to start :/
[04:40] <crimsun> need more from the log, but yes, that's one thing.
[04:44] <hwilde> http://pastebin.com/f9ddf71a
[04:45] <crimsun> sec
[04:46] <hwilde> (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS
[04:46] <hwilde> that is the correct video card line 163
[04:47] <crimsun> right, but you're using the vesa driver.
[04:48] <crimsun> I don't have a non-Free graphics card, so I don't know offhand if you need to rerun System> Administration> Hardware Drivers
[04:48] <hwilde> !nvidia | hwilde
[04:49] <crimsun> regardless, I don't think it has anything to do with the most recent xorg-server security update
[04:49] <crimsun> err, functionally, that is.
[04:49] <crimsun> package-wise, it may; there have been older reports of xorg.confs being clobbered, etc.
[04:50] <hwilde> I dunno it says nvidia-glx-new is already there
[04:50] <hwilde> but nvidia is not enabled
[04:50] <hwilde> nvidia-xconfig says it writes the xorg.conf but it has no effect
[04:51] <crimsun> please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:52] <hwilde> Bug #91292
[04:53] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf:  http://pastebin.com/f3735bc5b
[04:54] <crimsun> right, so you've been bitten by that bug
[04:55] <hwilde> but I didn't upgrade from edgy to feisty, or nvidia anything...
[04:56] <hwilde> lspci output:  http://pastebin.com/f46b73c6c
[04:57] <hwilde> also, I have the hsync and vsync specified in the xorg.conf
[05:00] <crimsun> is there a reason the server insists on using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe?
[05:00] <hwilde> on startup there is an error about it cannot detect monitor and graphics card and it is failing back to low res mode
[05:00] <crimsun> meaning, what happens when that file does /not/ exist but /etc/X11/xorg.conf does?
[05:00] <hwilde> if I choose configure and specify everything correctly it doesn't help
[05:01] <hwilde> i've done the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg too
[05:07] <hwilde> crimsun, it seems to be generating .failsafe by itself
[05:07] <hwilde> is it possible for a graphics card to fry in such a way that it provides lower resolution only?
[05:08] <crimsun> not that I'm aware
[05:08] <hwilde> bc my monitor is popping up a warning that says for best results change resolution to 1680x1050
[05:08] <hwilde> and the monitor seems to be displaying fine
[05:09] <hwilde> 36 minutes until the livecd download finishes
[05:09] <hwilde> then I will either be buying a new video card or reinstalling
[05:09] <crimsun> I highly doubt your graphics card is fried.
[05:10] <hwilde> well I've built and troubleshot a lot of systems and i've never seen a config borked like this
[05:10] <crimsun> do you have a known-working copy of xorg.conf backed up somewhere?
[05:10] <hwilde> yes
[05:10] <hwilde> that is what I pastebinned
[05:10] <hwilde> that is what I am using
[05:10] <hwilde> but on boot it goes to low res mode
[05:11] <hwilde> it says to configure and that generates a generic xorg.conf but no better
[05:11] <crimsun> ok, so try removing /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe then forcibly symlinking it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:13] <crimsun> if you're really, really hard-pressed, you could even chattr +i the affected files
[05:14] <hwilde> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   24 2008-06-15 00:21 xorg.conf.failsafe -> xorg.conf.20080613223821
[05:21] <hwilde> crimsun, /var/log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f67e3168a
[05:22] <crimsun> ok, so it keeps regenerating failsafe?
[05:22] <hwilde> yeah it took over
[05:23] <hwilde> xorg.conf.failsafe  http://pastebin.com/f1816c340
[05:24] <crimsun> forcibly copy the correct one as failsafe, then chattr +i
[05:25] <crimsun> that's definitely a bug somewhere, but I haven't experienced it
[05:26] <hwilde> it won't boot with the 'correct' one
[05:26] <hwilde> well
[05:26] <hwilde> it will boot but x will not start
[05:26] <hwilde> gdm will not start I mean
[05:26] <hwilde> it won't even give me the login prompt
[05:27] <crimsun> ok, this may sound silly, but I presume you do have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-19-generic installed?
[05:28] <hwilde> umm aptitude status p
[05:28] <hwilde> != i
[05:28] <hwilde> sry bot :/
[05:28] <crimsun> ...
[05:28] <crimsun> well, that could be at least one reason why it fails ;)
[05:29] <hwilde> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:29] <hwilde>   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-19-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[05:29] <hwilde>   nvidia-kernel-common
[05:29] <hwilde> there are a couple more reasons
[05:29] <hwilde> but why?  do I have to just lock down my system and not to apt-get upgrade ?
[05:29] <hwilde> bc I have an old laptop on 5.10 that works perfectly and i'll never upgrade that
[05:29] <hwilde> but this is my desktop and it's got new stuff so I like the updates
[05:30] <crimsun> I wonder if you have linux-generic installed.
[05:30] <hwilde> nope
[05:30] <crimsun> ok, try to keep that installed :)
[05:30] <hwilde> well
[05:30] <hwilde> wtf
[05:31] <hwilde> ...
[05:31] <hwilde> i   linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic
[05:31] <crimsun> unrelated.
[05:31] <hwilde> i   linux-headers-2.6.24-17-generic
[05:31] <hwilde> i   linux-headers-generic
[05:31] <crimsun> both unrelated.
[05:31] <hwilde> i   linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic
[05:31] <hwilde> i   linux-image-generic
[05:32] <hwilde> how could linux-generic disappear
[05:32] <hwilde> this has all been working since 7.04
[05:32] <hwilde> through 7.10 and 8.04
[05:32] <hwilde> 8.04.1 boom
[05:33] <hwilde> I might as well go to intrepid
[05:34] <hwilde> if the updates are going to break everything atleast then I could be contributing to the beta test
[05:35] <crimsun> well, at least we managed to rule out the xorg-server security update as the culprit.
[05:36] <hwilde> yay
[05:36] <hwilde> only about 1400 packages remaining
[05:36] <hwilde> ok i've got linux-generic and restricted-modules-generic
[05:36] <hwilde> any last wishes before I go on a ctrl+alt+backspace/delete cycle
[05:37] <hwilde> 15m til I get a livecd and reinstall.
[05:41] <hwilde> lol now it just boots to the tty and I have to /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:41] <hwilde> and it's still in low res mode
[05:41] <hwilde> but i've got all those generic packages now
[05:42] <crimsun> did you undo the chattr and symlinking?
[05:42] <hwilde> no
[05:43] <hwilde>   487  cp xorg.conf.20080613223821 xorg.conf.failsafe
[05:43] <hwilde>   488  chattr +i xorg.conf.failsafe
[05:44] <hwilde> new Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f4278dd5e
[05:44] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/f6a2dbc0a
[05:45] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe  http://pastebin.com/f56e4b5fc
[05:45] <hwilde> wait it is a bit different now with the modules
[05:45] <hwilde> # lsmod | grep nv
[05:45] <hwilde> nvidia               7825536  24
[05:45] <hwilde> i2c_core               24832  1 nvidia
[05:45] <hwilde> agpgart                34760  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[05:45] <crimsun> line 531 of http://pastebin.com/f4278dd5e
[05:45] <hwilde> nvidia-settings works now
[05:46] <hwilde> it is using the nvidia driver
[05:46] <hwilde> but it detects the monitor as DFP 640x480
[05:46] <hwilde> could my monitor be fried??
[05:47] <hwilde> it is popping up the onscreen menu begging for 1680x1050
[05:48] <hwilde> crimsun, so when it says no valid modes on line 531, the graphics card is trying to output 1680x1050 but the mode for the screen does not exist?
[05:49] <crimsun> well, the server does minimal sanity checking, and there's no valid reported mode from the EDID
[05:49] <hwilde> xorg.conf  Modes "1680x1050"  line 122  http://pastebin.com/f6a2dbc0a
[05:50] <crimsun> you can either hardcode the definition as in the other xorg.conf
[05:50] <hwilde> as far as I can tell, it is hardcoded.
[05:51] <hwilde> I wish I had another video card that could output 1680x1050 to verify this monitor isn't fried
[05:52] <crimsun> no, it doesn't appear to be hardcoded as in http://pastebin.com/f3735bc5b
[05:53] <hwilde> where did yo uget that from
[05:53] <hwilde> well I should be able to nvidia-xconfig now
[05:53] <crimsun> 23:51      crimsun > please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:53] <crimsun> 23:53       hwilde > /etc/X11/xorg.conf:  http://pastebin.com/f3735bc5b
[05:53] <hwilde> hmm
[05:57] <hwilde> ok I hardcoded it   /etc/X11/xorg.conf   http://pastebin.com/f51db186d
[06:00] <hwilde> no difference
[06:00] <hwilde> boots to terminal, /etc/init.d/gdm start,   gdm is low res,  x is low res
[06:00] <crimsun> log file?
[06:01] <hwilde> nvidia module is loaded, but nvidia-settings detects screen as DFP 640x480
[06:01] <hwilde> /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/f4780cc88
[06:02] <crimsun> It has been years since I configured Nvidia settings, so I'm probably useless beyond this point.
[06:02] <hwilde> ffffffff i've never had any problems with this setup
[06:02] <hwilde> wtf happened
[06:03] <crimsun> err
[06:04] <hwilde> burning livecd
[06:04] <hwilde> debugging window running short
[06:04] <crimsun> you don't appear to be using the correct newly defined mode
[06:05] <crimsun> your modeline definition is "1680x1050@60", but you're using only "1680x1050"
[06:05] <crimsun> I won't touch the Twinview portion
[06:05] <hwilde> see line 518 (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-0
[06:06] <hwilde> I disabled the twinview, there's only one monitor hooked up
[06:06] <hwilde> and line 529 (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1680x1050+0+0"; removing.
[07:16] <hwilde> crimsun, still alive?
[07:17] <hwilde> crimsun,  /etc/X11/xorg.conf   http://pastebin.com/f5d75e5e8
[07:17] <hwilde> crimsun, /var/log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f13c5dad8
[07:18] <hwilde> crimsun, after fresh 8.04 install it's up and running 1680x1050
[07:18] <hwilde> back to 2.6.24-16-generic tho
[07:19] <hwilde> this is with default nv driver not restricted
[07:20] <hwilde> now I will install nvidia-glx-new restricted driver
[07:27] <hwilde> crimsun, wake up
[07:28] <hwilde> crimsun, after installing proprietary nvidia it reverts to low res
[07:28] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/f37ad0dc6
[07:28] <hwilde> /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/fc9325cf
[07:34] <hwilde> crimsun, this is the best one yet :)
[07:34] <hwilde> I have both monitors up, one is 1680x1050 and the other is stuck in low res 640x480
[07:34] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf   http://pastebin.com/f143bb191
[07:35] <hwilde> /var/log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f6307b9a1
[07:35] <hwilde> priceless config right there :)
[07:35] <\sh> morning
[07:35] <hwilde> yeah it is 2:35am here
[07:37] <\sh> 8:37am here
[07:37] <hwilde> crimsun, switch dvi cables between monitors, resolutions follow
[07:37] <hwilde> so both monitors can display 1680x1050...
[07:37] <hwilde> I wonder if half of my video card is fried now
[08:02] <hwilde> ok I would like to file a bug about using nvidia with two separate xscreens
[08:02] <hwilde> the main screen goes to lowres 640x480
[08:02] <hwilde> the second screen is good 1680x1050
[08:02] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/f64cfb3c4
[08:03] <hwilde> /var/log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f3d7da01a
[08:03] <hwilde> everything is defined correctly in the xorg.conf
[08:03] <hwilde> both video card dvi outputs have been made to output 1680x1050 and both monitors accept
[08:03] <hwilde> also switched the dvi cables just for fun
[08:04] <hwilde> it's either nvidia or xorg
[09:48] <qense> hello
[09:51] <thekorn> hello qense
[11:10] <askand> Firefox uses google.com instead of the swedish google as it should, as I am in Sweden. Should I file a bug about that?
[11:14] <bimberi> askand: I thought google themselves did that redirect.
[11:16] <askand> bimberi: oh, could you please see if it works for you?
[11:20] <bimberi> askand: Sure, hang on...
[11:22] <bimberi> askand: Redirects to google.com.au here.  I had to clear out cookies to test it fairly (I normally auto-login to GMail).  Perhaps you should try that too.
[11:22] <bimberi> askand: Oh and I am from .au :)
[11:23] <askand> bimberi:  thanks Ill try :)
[14:55] <hwilde> crimsun, alive yet?
[15:20] <hwilde>  I would like to file a bug about using nvidia with two separate xscreens
[15:20] <hwilde> the main screen goes to lowres 640x480
[15:20] <hwilde> the second screen is good 1680x1050
[15:20] <hwilde> /etc/X11/xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/f64cfb3c4
[15:20] <hwilde> /var/log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f3d7da01a
[15:24] <hwilde> nvidia-settings detects the one monitor as 640x480 even if its hardcoded in xorg.conf
[16:20] <crimsun> hwilde: so installing the version in the hardy repo results in losing native res?
[16:20] <crimsun> hwilde: have you tried adding the option to ignore edid?
[16:20] <crimsun> hwilde: if there are newer drivers available, have you tried those?
[16:51] <pep> Hello
[16:55] <qense> hello pep
[19:49] <alex_mayorga> Hi, is here the right place to "talk" to someone live to confirm I'm seeing an actual bug and not file a bogus bug report? Thanks in advance
[19:50] <darthanubis> alex_mayorga, check launchpad, and google
[19:51] <alex_mayorga> darthanubis, done already, just wanted to rule out "user error"
[19:52] <darthanubis> well I googel to see if someone else has reported already, if not I feel free to report
[19:57] <alex_mayorga> not sure where to assign, the problem is that a bunch of KODAK_, KODAK__ unreadable folders under /media
[19:58] <alex_mayorga> are created and retained forever whenever I insert an SD card on my laptop
[19:58] <techno_freak> alex_mayorga, is it a SD card you use in your camera?
[19:59] <alex_mayorga> yes
[20:00] <techno_freak> alex_mayorga, the camera might be storing some of its own files in the SD card, which it might not allow you to read
[20:00] <techno_freak> files, folders, etc.
[20:01] <techno_freak> so when you mount the SD card, it's also there but not readable
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> one icon is created on the desktop and I can read he files from there
[20:02] <alex_mayorga> I was just wandering on the file system and found the bogus folders
[20:02] <alex_mayorga> techno_freak what component should it be the bug filed against? udev?
[20:02] <askan1> Hi, how is bug 219684 fixed? Can I help?
[20:03] <techno_freak> alex_mayorga, i still wonder why you call it a bug?
[20:04] <alex_mayorga> techno_freak, probably related to Bug #199215
[20:05] <techno_freak> alex_mayorga, is your bug is about a few folders being mounted in non-readable state?
[20:05] <alex_mayorga> techno_freak, I have to go now, I'll subscribe to that one and pick it up from there later, thanks
[21:06] <afflux> techno_freak: just fyi, the problem alex_mayorga was experiencing sounds exactly like bug 101845
[21:07] <techno_freak> afflux, thanks will check it out


[06:10] <erichammond> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/ is down
[06:13] <erichammond> smoser, kim0: ^^^
[22:35] <droogmic> Is it possible to use the nodes of a UEC as client front ends?


[11:56] <matthiasbaur> Hey powersj, may I talk to you in private regarding a CLA of the company I'm working for?
[11:57] <Odd_Bloke> matthiasbaur: FYI, the cloud-init team (including Josh) are at a sprint this week, so he might take a while to respond here.  (You might be better off emailing him at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:59] <matthiasbaur> Sounds good! Thanks, Odd_Bloke! :)
[12:05] <Odd_Bloke> Happy I could help! :)
[13:38] <smoser> oops
[13:38] <smoser> funny. that oops was actually an oops. it was in a buffer, and then i hit ctrl-m
[17:05] <DavidGamba> Noob question, how can I clean cloud-init when creating an AWS AMI of Ubuntu 14.04. The `cloud-init clean` command is not available. I tried deleting `/var/lib/cloud` and it didn't work. modules:final didn't run.
[17:55] <ahosmanMSFT> If your trying to clean the instance try
[17:55] <ahosmanMSFT> rm -rf /var/log/cloud-init.log /var/log/cloud-init-output.log \ /var/lib/cloud/ /run/cloud-init/ /var/log/syslog
[17:57] <ahosmanMSFT> delete the \ and it should work, I was using it with python and it line breaks '=D
[18:10] <DavidGamba> I tried and `modules:final` still didn't run, had to run `cloud-init modules -m final`.
[18:11] <DavidGamba> But I want to make sure it runs on its own
[18:17] <DavidGamba> Haven't tried deleting syslog, will try that.
[18:25] <ahosmanMSFT> Let me know how it goes. By the way, I believe most of the cloud-init team's in Paris. They'll be out this and some of next week.
[20:00] <DavidGamba> Thanks for the help, it didn't work, it might be that the version of cloud-init on ubuntu 14.04 is too old. I don't have this issue with many boxes, just the one pet I can't upgrade!
[20:01] <DavidGamba> I'll add a script to /etc/rc.local to run `cloud-init modules -m final`, hopefully that does it for this guy
[21:01] <amansi26> I tried running the command cloud-init init --local and it fails with stages.py[ERROR]: Unable to render networking. Network config is likely broken: No available network renderers found. Searched through list: ['eni', 'sysconfig', 'netplan'] . Is there a fix for this?


[19:51] <X1karr0usX> pretty quiet eh?
[19:51] <nhandler> It usually is X1karr0usX
[19:52] <calc> no one is crazy enough to run jaunty yet ;-)
[19:52] <calc> actually jaunty should stay fairly stable because the main focus is on bug fixing this cycle
[19:53]  * nhandler is crazy ;)
[19:53] <milos_> i find jaunty very stable
[19:53] <X1karr0usX> yeah, because nothings been changed yet
[19:54] <X1karr0usX> im chillin in the airport and decided to take advantage of the 500 mb/s wifi... downloaded the iso to help with dev
[19:54] <X1karr0usX> i think discussions start tomorrow about whats going to be added/removed/changed
[19:55] <nhandler> That is correct X1karr0usX. UDS begins tomorrow
[19:55] <X1karr0usX> sweeeeet
[19:55] <X1karr0usX> is that in here?
[19:55] <X1karr0usX> wild guess lol
[19:55] <nhandler> In Mountainville CA (Google)
[19:55] <X1karr0usX> lol oh
[19:56] <X1karr0usX> you have to be present or is it telecom?
[19:56] <calc> not sure
[19:56] <X1karr0usX> hmm
[19:56] <nhandler> I think they usually have a way to listen in over the internet, but I am not sure
[19:56] <calc> i've been here since thu
[19:56] <calc> for FOSSCamp there wasn't broadcast but not sure about UDS
[19:57] <X1karr0usX> cool man... the more the better!
[19:57] <X1karr0usX> im really excited about jaunty (aside from the worst name in ubuntu history)
[19:57] <calc> I uploaded OOo 3.0 on Sat but its still waiting on packages to be moved from universe into main to build
[19:57] <X1karr0usX> nice
[19:57] <calc> i think the next should be Krazy Kangaroo ;-)
[19:58] <X1karr0usX> hahaha
[19:58] <X1karr0usX> it probably will be
[19:58] <calc> or Klepto Koala, hehe
[19:58] <X1karr0usX> lol
[19:59] <X1karr0usX> ive been playing with python scripts... imagine the look on my face, sitting in an airport, when i finally made a terminal Twitter app
[19:59] <X1karr0usX> i was freakin stoked!
[20:00] <BUGabundo> [OT] anyone here uses OOo?
[20:00] <X1karr0usX> yeah
[20:00] <calc> BUGabundo: i do to test bugs ;-)
[20:00] <nhandler> BUGabundo: I use it occasionally
[20:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:00] <calc> seeing as how i maintain it :)
[20:00] <BUGabundo> I mean USE it..
[20:00] <BUGabundo> #OOo is sleeping
[20:00] <calc> i don't write anything so i don't use it that much
[20:00] <calc> BUGabundo: got a question about it?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I have a csv on calc, and I'm trying to use the address list on writer
[20:01] <BUGabundo> already inserted the fields
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but can't move around each entry
[20:01] <BUGabundo> or at least don't know how
[20:01] <calc> ah i think i know what you need to do
[20:01] <calc> let me find the menu entry
[20:01] <X1karr0usX> woah... beyond my use of open office lol
[20:01] <calc> file->templates->address book source
[20:02] <calc> i think that will get you want you want
[20:02] <BUGabundo> HUMM
[20:02] <calc> er what you want
[20:02] <BUGabundo> already have then there
[20:02] <calc> i don't know why it is hidden over there
[20:02] <BUGabundo> but I can only see how to generate all the NEW files with the CSV... not pre-view the list in its place
[20:02] <calc> if you bring it in through there it usually works at least
[20:02] <BUGabundo> let me see what that does
[20:02] <calc> oh after you get it set up in there you have to go to the regular location
[20:03] <calc> Tools->Mail Merge
[20:03] <calc> which is why i think it is crap :-\
[20:03] <calc> it should be all in the same place to make it more obvious what you are doing
[20:04] <BUGabundo> I know Mail Merge
[20:04] <BUGabundo> that what Im using
[20:04] <BUGabundo> its a real piece of crap
[20:04] <BUGabundo> MSFT Office 200x is much better
[20:04] <calc> i think i must not understand what the problem is, other than yes it is crap
[20:04] <BUGabundo> I had to use Insert-Field-Other
[20:04] <calc> when you mail merge there is a way to see who is in the list though and selectively enable who you want to send to
[20:05] <BUGabundo> just to place the fiedls I need
[20:05] <calc> oh i think i see what you mean
[20:05] <BUGabundo> well let me try to explain better
[20:05] <BUGabundo> enable the Toolbar Navegation on Formularies
[20:05] <BUGabundo> I would like to use that to scroll between the address list
[20:06] <calc> under insert->fields->other->database->mail merge fields ?
[20:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:06] <BUGabundo> that's what I used
[20:06] <calc> ok
[20:06] <calc> i've seen a way to navigate the list before but i don't remember if it happens automatically or not
[20:07] <calc> i don't ever use it myself other than to check up on bugs
[20:07] <BUGabundo> I guess I'll have to print to new files and see if everything is fine
[20:07] <BUGabundo> other question: how to use smart fields?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> I need to hide A/C when the field is empty
[20:08] <calc> sorry i have no idea
[20:08] <calc> i'm pretty sure the fields are normally not printed, i you get a grey box (field) with a description in it that is generally just to let you know what i tis
[20:09] <calc> if you turn off View->Field Names it will probably go away depending on what you are asking exactly
[20:10] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrorw
[20:12] <Volkodav> will they add barry in Jaunty ?
[20:17] <X1karr0usX> idk
[20:17] <X1karr0usX> wtf is barry?
[20:17] <X1karr0usX> lol
[20:26] <Volkodav> it is for blackberries
[20:54] <tretle> http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5839/screenshot1bk5.png
[20:54] <tretle> Will be aligned soon
[20:55] <sudvabalis> help me surprise my girlfreind, watch this video on youtube, thanx! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHsitCVMbgE
[21:47] <milos_> what package I need to install to be able to turn email notification LED on my asus laptop?
[21:48] <milos_> acpi-support is installed
[22:33] <milos_> ok, I found it out


[00:24] <sonn> Hi everyone
[00:26] <sonn> Does anyone know if launchpad translation supports parent language?
[00:34] <wgrant> sonn: It doesn't.
[00:35] <sonn> Thank wgrant
[00:37] <sonn> Do you have any suggestion of auto-creating child language translations from its parent translations?
[00:38] <sonn> wgrant^^
[00:39] <sonn> Can I write a script to automatically create a child language then push it to launchpad
[00:40] <wgrant> sonn: I don't know a huge amount about translations, but the only facility Launchpad Translations provides for this is the "use <some language> as a guide" feature on the translation page.
[00:40] <wgrant> You could autogenerate a .po locally, but I don't know if that's how other projects do it.
[00:40] <wgrant> I don't think it is.
[00:42] <sonn> I will have a look at the "use <some language> as a guide" feature
[00:42] <sonn> thank wgrant again
[01:24] <jose> wgrant: hey, is there a way to finish branching lp:lp? my connection always get terminated
[01:28] <wgrant> jose: How're you attempting to branch it? And is it inside a shared repo, or standalone?
[01:29] <wgrant> At which stage does it time out?
[01:29] <jose> I was following the install instructions, to get LP up and running, and in the part where it branches (like halfway through) I get disconnected
[01:29] <jose> I use the automagic script
[01:30] <wgrant> Hmmmmmm
[01:30] <wgrant> jose: try 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel ~/launchpad/lp-branches/preseeding', then retry rocketfuel-setup
[01:31] <wgrant> You can remove the preseeding dir afterwards.
[01:31] <jose> sure, let's give it a try :)
[01:31] <jose> I'll let you know how it goes, thanks!
[01:31] <wgrant> Also, are you using LXC? https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC
[01:31] <wgrant> If not, you should.
[01:32] <wgrant> Keeps things more self-contained.
[12:13] <shadeslayer> could someone tell me what package OOPS-275cc9608effb37a8356bee5a5e5391d refers to
[12:20] <wgrant> shadeslayer: It was kde-baseapps, but the copy completed successfully. That OOPS was caused by a second jobrunner somehow racing with another to take that job, and crashing when they both tried to obtain the lock.
[14:00] <cjwatson> shadeslayer,wgrant: That's bug 1314569.
[14:01] <shadeslayer> cheers, thx


[02:26] <terinjokes> i seem to have a fatal error with my installation medium (currently IRCing from Live mode), the package list cache seems to be corrupted, can I repair from within the Live environment?
[02:27] <terinjokes> my error: E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[02:27] <terinjokes> the install crashed *after* axing my original system
[02:28] <th0r> terinjokes: did you verify the disk before you started the install?
[02:29] <terinjokes> no
[02:30] <terinjokes> it passed the checksum
[02:30] <Guest34511> hola chicos
[02:30] <Guest34511> .n manudo_cr7
[02:30] <terinjokes> after download
[02:30] <manudo_cr7> alguno habla español???
[02:31] <manudo_cr7> chicos alguno habla espáñol???
[02:31] <th0r> terinjokes: the error indicates a bad burn. the original download is probably ok...but the burn went bad
[02:31] <th0r> !es
[02:31] <terinjokes> th0r: the iso is no more ;)
[02:31] <manudo_cr7> gracias [ubottu] !!!
[02:32] <terinjokes> can I recover, ie, create a new package list?
[02:32] <th0r> terinjokes: I know of no way to do that
[02:33] <terinjokes> th0r: will the Live system allow me to eject the disc long enough to burn a new copy?
[02:33] <terinjokes> if it doesn't, I'm stuck
[02:33] <th0r> terinjokes: not sure....see if brasero is on the menu for the live cd
[02:33] <terinjokes> it is
[02:34] <th0r> terinjokes: still...if you take the cd out of the drive the live system will crash. Do you have access to a second (usb?) cd burner?
[02:34] <terinjokes> no
[02:35]  * terinjokes just realized he didn't burn the ISO of Win7RC before axing the system, oh well
[02:35] <th0r> terinjokes: trying to come up with another option...but not having much luck
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 cuenta regresiva para despedirme:
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 5 llego la hora menos esperada!!!
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 4 la hora de decir adiooos!!!
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 3 me tengo q ir =-( !!!
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 2 pero volvere =-) !!!
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 1 asi q cuidenseeeeen !!!
[02:36]  * manudo_cr7 0 BOOM (bye) !!!!!
[02:36] <terinjokes> well, can't we change were the system looks for the package list?
[02:37] <th0r> terinjokes: I don't even know where to find another copy of the package list
[02:41] <terinjokes> th0r: i thought refreshing the packages with Settings->Software Sources would do it, but it wouldn't
[02:43] <th0r> terinjokes: no, if I understand the system correctly the package list is the list of things to install...that wouldn't be 'refreshable'
[02:44] <terinjokes> then why would Software Sources also get the error?
[02:44] <terinjokes> and Synapics?
[02:56] <popcornPanic> hi i am trying to install Xubuntu 9.04 PPC on an iMac. i have installed but computer reboots after a message that says 'invalid ROM contents'
[02:56] <MaineTim> xubuntu
[03:00] <terinjokes> i think i might have gotten it
[03:00] <terinjokes> of course, i have to entirely rebuild the available packages
[03:31] <terinjokes> ok... that didn't work
[04:37] <mikechelen> is there any remote desktop server included with xubuntu?
[04:43] <shamoun> hey all
[04:44] <shamoun> how big is a installed xubuntu system?
[05:00] <dylan_> hey. im having problems with... when i minimize things, they dont come back when i click on the task bar. they seem to be stuck down there. its not a compiz or emerald problem, i disabled both of them. but no avail. any sugestions ?
[05:19] <psycho_oreos> I'm at the height of the Thunar freezing, 8.10 (ibex) I did strace and the last few lines indicated resource temporarily unavailable followed by a process 15870 detached.. I get a new thunar window but it seems to have hung.. Thunar is consuming ~50% of my cpu usage and I'm running a dual core capable machine.. the installation is 32bit mode not 64bit
[05:21] <psycho_oreos> hmm guess those people I was chatting to the other day are no longer here :/ I guess I'll have to resort to pkill
[05:25] <psycho_oreos> I've got strace working on the thread that's causing the issues, and I think I can probably see whats going on.. strace -p `pgrep Thunar`
[05:25] <psycho_oreos> its showing permission denied and operation not supported
[06:02] <droid7> how do i enable my volume buttons to work in xubunu? (works in ubuntu)
[06:40] <hdsturg> is there a known issue with slow dns lookup in xubuntu?
[07:13] <moodog> morning :)
[07:34] <raevol> would anyone know why xubuntu is showing the contents of my home folder as icons on my desktop?
[07:36] <th0r> raevol: try this...remove the icons and log off. When the logoff screen appears make sure the 'save session' box is marked. Then log back on and see if they show up again
[07:37] <raevol> really? i will want to remove the saved session later so that i don't have two of everything running, is that really a solution?
[07:38] <th0r> raevol: yes...it might be the solution. You can also set everything up the way you want and then save the session from Settings-Session and Startup. That is what I do
[07:39] <raevol> yea, that's really not what i want to do
[07:39] <th0r> raevol: ok
[07:39] <raevol> i basically want to point my desktop to show the files in ~/Desktop instead of ~/
[07:41] <th0r> raevol: ah...I misunderstood
[07:41] <raevol> ok
[07:59] <tomal> anyone help with getting desktop going tosh tecra 800 xub904
[08:01] <RedSocrates> Has anybody else had an issue with GTK2 themes resetting in xfce?  Whenever I start a new X session, my GTK theme is reset to the default
[08:01] <tomal> quiet place..
[08:04] <RedSocrates> Oh well, guess I'll have to settle for the dirty hack I just threw together
[08:05] <RedSocrates> Deleted the default theme and replaced it with a symlink to the new theme, for anyone interested
[08:07] <MrNaz_cic> if i want to format an external drive (usb hdd enclosure) so that i can be read/written in linux, windows and mac, what filesystem do i use and how do i do that in xubuntu ?
[08:10] <hdsturg> i want to play mp3's in Listen.  Is there a codec I can install for that, without installing the whole xubuntu-restricted package?
[08:53] <R1cochet> MrNaz_cic: i believe u can use any filesystem you would like as long as all 3 O.S.'s have the drivers to read that particular filesystem.
[08:54] <evocallaghan> Hi, Do you inc. a PV kernel on the ISO ?
[08:55] <R1cochet> hdsturg: have u tried to play the mp3 yet? and yes u can install just individual codecs. xubuntu-restricted simply marks all the codecs for install
[08:55] <R1cochet> not sure which codec u would need tho. i just unstall xubuntu-restricted
[10:53] <premorphos> hey is it possible to some how create keyboard shortcuts to open programs
[10:55] <R1cochet> i think so
[10:55] <R1cochet> i mean all shortcuts do is run a command
[10:56] <premorphos> exactly so it shuled be easy.. but how?
[10:56] <R1cochet> app>settings>xfce4settings>keyboard>shortcuts tab
[10:58] <premorphos> you mean setingsmaneger?
[10:59] <premorphos> yea there it was...it was under the keybord icon
[11:04] <blendmaster1024> my xubuntu hangs 9 seconds into the boot because a python script tries to remount the root and it successfully unmounts it but it can't mount it because the python runs sh which hen should run mount but it h can't exec mount. any idea why? i have more info if necessary
[11:47] <jkl> hi, abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas?
[12:10] <SiDi> jkl, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/xubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <SiDi> install all the deps of xubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <SiDi> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/abiword and these too
[12:12] <jkl> ok, ill try that, thanks
[12:46] <jkl>  hi, abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas?
[12:47] <mellys> helo
[12:47] <mellys> help me activate compiz pls
[12:47] <knome> !compiz
[12:47] <mellys> it seems not working
[12:48] <mellys> helo knome
[13:00] <knome> hi mellys.
[13:00] <mellys> helo knome
[13:00] <mellys> i want to use
[13:01] <mellys> 3d window on compiz
[13:01] <mellys> how can i activate it?
[13:01] <knome> did you read the help.ubuntu.com page?
[13:01] <mellys> i cannot understand
[13:01] <mellys> this is my first time to use linux
[13:01] <knome> what don't you understand?
[13:02] <mellys> how to make my desktop rotate like a cube
[13:02] <mellys> i only have wobble effects only
[13:02] <knome> ok, as you have compiz enabled, please ask in #compiz
[13:03] <knome> they can help you better
[13:03] <mellys> ok thanks
[13:09] <mellys> knome,  where is the button1 located?
[13:09] <mellys> the default to use cube is shift super and button1
[13:10] <knome> i don't know. you can change the keybinding, however.
[13:10] <mellys> i can change is to 1-9
[13:11] <mellys> problem is where is the button they refer to?
[13:11] <mellys> hehehe
[13:11] <mellys> sorry its on paint fire the default is shift super and button1
[13:11] <mellys> no other keys only button1 to button9
[13:12] <th0r> mellys: button1 is usually the left button on the mouse
[13:13] <mellys> ic
[13:13] <mellys> got it
[13:13] <mellys> thanks th0r
[13:14] <mellys> in the cube window
[13:15] <mellys> how can i activate it?
[13:15] <mellys> no key to be configurre
[14:17] <ricochet> hey guys i need some serious help.. i have an SD card in my Dell mini that has a bunch of my videos from a trip i am currently on in South East Asia.. well today i opened up my SD card and all of the files have a bunch of ASCII symbols and locks on the icons.. i cant do anything with it either
[14:19] <ricochet> anyone there?
[14:24] <jkl> hey, can anyone offer some advice,  abiword hangs on startup since i removed close to 300 orphaned packages with synaptic, problem persists even after complete reinstallation, any ideas? thanks
[14:34] <mellys> helo
[14:35] <mellys> why is my display back to 640x480 when i restart?
[14:35] <mellys> i already configure it to 1024
[14:39] <SiDi> mellys, did you activate your graphics card drivers ?
[14:40] <SiDi> Apps -> System -> Hardware drivers
[14:46] <yuka_> i installed xfce-4. i would like to have the app launcher, the one u hit Win key + Q and it opens textbox that let's u run an app.
[14:47] <yuka_> what is the name of this app?  is there anything else xfce is missing from xubuntu?
[14:53] <SiDi> its xfrun4
[14:53] <SiDi> and its alt+f2 by default
[14:54] <yuka_> SiDi: works!
[14:57] <SiDi> :)
[14:57] <yuka_> SiDi: and how do i add the 2 menu items (places and the other one)
[14:57] <SiDi> did you only install xfce4 ?
[14:57] <SiDi> and not xubuntu-desktop ?
[14:57] <yuka_> SiDi: true
[14:58] <yuka_> SiDi: no..
[14:58] <SiDi> install xubuntu-desktop then :)
[14:58] <yuka_> SiDi: what am I missing?
[14:58] <SiDi> it'll come with all the default settings for xfce4
[14:58] <yuka_> SiDi: ok
[14:58] <yuka_> SiDi: should i remove xfce-4?
[14:58] <SiDi> no :)
[14:59] <yuka_> ok
[14:59] <SiDi> its part of xubuntu-desktop
[15:01] <yuka_> SiDi: 942MB.. i wonder why is it so big.
[15:03] <SiDi> hm
[15:03] <SiDi> there might be gimp/abiword if you didnt have them installed
[15:03] <SiDi> you can remove them after, at worse
[15:04] <yuka_> SiDi: great. thank you
[15:05] <SiDi> you're welcome
[15:09] <_Pete_> yuka_: do you realize how memory is used in *nix world?
[15:24] <Devilsprey99> I need a proper working iso of xubuntu 9.04
[15:24] <Devilsprey99> anyone can help
[15:24] <cody-somerville> !iso
[15:25] <cody-somerville> !burning | Devilsprey99
[15:25] <Devilsprey99> its not burning I need Xubuntu 9.04
[15:25] <Devilsprey99> I downloaded some isos
[15:25] <Devilsprey99> but all come up with errors
[15:27] <Devilsprey99> any suggestions
[15:43] <igna> Hi! I have a problem. I installed lxde in my xubuntu sistem and it altered some settings of the sistem (menu items, panel dissapeared).
[15:44] <igna> How can I return back to the previous sistem
[15:48] <knome> igna, you are probably running an lxde session. from the login screen, select xfce session.
[15:49] <igna> I removed lxde with apt-get and the libs it installed with synaptic. This deleted the menus items installed by lxde, but not solved the others problems.
[15:49] <igna> I did it
[15:49] <knome> alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[15:49] <knome> that should bring back panels.
[15:49] <igna> Ok, i'll try
[15:51] <igna> Other problem is that now synaptic, and epiphany autostart when xubuntu start. What lxde could touch to do this?
[15:52] <knome> igna, no idea. something has modified your xfce session.
[15:54] <igna> Where are this settings? How can I reset them? Create a new user and delete mine? I try reinstal xubuntu-desktop but didn't work
[15:55] <knome> igna, applications -> settings -> session and startup
[15:55] <knome> igna, see the application autostart and session tabs
[16:04] <igna> I looked in session tab, why thunar is twice?
[16:07] <knome> i don't know.
[16:07] <knome> maybe two windows?
[16:08] <igna> no windows. I don't start int
[16:08] <igna> it
[16:09] <knome> don't know then.
[16:12] <abra> who saw this? http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=4943&key=adf1de
[16:12] <igna> What are the differences between session and processes in System Monitor?
[16:12] <knome> igna, i'm not sure. haven't used system monitor.
[16:13] <knome> abra, haven't seen it.
[16:13] <abra> How can I report this bug?
[16:14] <abra> I use en_US locale
[16:14] <igna> Thank you
[16:14] <knome> abra, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug please. thanks :)
[16:14] <abra> knome, tnx to you
[16:14] <knome> np
[16:18] <Mood> is there a way to control the left/right position? the right side of my display is being truncated
[16:26] <popcornPanic> hi just did a fresh install of xubuntu ppc on an imac and i get to GDM and i cannont login with my username and password. This is my second install both had same problem
[18:18] <saketh> hello
[18:19] <saketh> I have a HP officejet J6400 series printer and dont know how to use it wirelessly
[18:19] <saketh> please help
[18:34] <firsm> Can I make my mouse even slower than what's possible through the settings menu?
[19:00] <blip-> hi, I'm trying to find out which xfce version Xubuntu 9.04 comes with.  any idea ?   thanks
[19:05] <Mamaeh> blip-:  dpkg -l xfce4
[19:06] <blip-> Mamaeh, huh ? what kind of reply is that, I don't have the OS or LiveCD yet, I'm trying to decide wether to spend a few hours downloading it
[19:06] <blip-> (excuse my tone)
[19:06] <Mamaeh> blip-: sorry, that I thought you already had it.  The version is : 4.6.0
[19:07]  * Mamaeh likes it very much ;)
[19:08] <blip-> Mamaeh, ah ok that's good, I was worried it would be an older version.    so actually I'm still running 8.04 ubuntu over here, have you tried running openbox inside of xfce by any chance ?
[19:08] <Mamaeh> blip-: No, I haven't.
[19:09] <blip-> ok thanks Mamaeh, the screenshots are hard to resist :)   downloading it now
[19:09] <Mamaeh> :)
[19:10] <Mamaeh> blip-: Just a hint, you can find more at :  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/Final
[19:11] <blip-> cool. thanks
[19:24] <firsm> blip-: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:25] <blip-> firsm, thanks
[20:26] <david_25> hello
[20:27] <david_25> can someone please help me get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse working on ps3 xubuntu
[20:28] <david_25> is there any one here/
[20:28] <david_25> ?
[20:28] <david_25> any one at all
[20:28] <david_25> [?
[20:28] <knome> david_25, no, we're all dead.
[20:30] <david_25> nobody's talking here
[20:30] <xtmnx_> standard
[20:30] <knome> from the xubuntu jaunty release announcement, part "powerpc and ps3": #
[20:30] <knome> For community discussion and support please see #ubuntu-powerpc, #ubuntu-ps3, or #ubuntu-ports on FreeNode.
[20:30] <david_25> ugh i just need a little help
[20:30] <david_25> this problem is driving me crazy
[20:31] <knome> david_25, please ask #ubuntu-ps3.
[20:31] <LaCtoSE> is there a channel for sound related issues?
[20:31] <knome> LaCtoSE, what kind of sound issue?
[20:31] <xtmnx_> got question here as well: anyone have clue why xvidcap I grabbed from repo doesn't have audio options?
[20:32] <LaCtoSE> laptop headphone sockets have stopped working.
[20:33] <knome> xtmnx_, totally no idea.
[20:33] <xtmnx_> I see
[20:33] <knome> LaCtoSE, uhm.. have you looked at the mixer settings
[20:33] <knome> xtmnx_, you might get help at #ubuntu
[20:33] <xtmnx_> ok I'll try that
[20:33] <LaCtoSE> knome, yes i have.
[20:33] <knome> xtmnx_, i'm not sure if that is xubuntu-related issue, i mean :)
[20:34] <knome> LaCtoSE, even alsamixer or aumix?
[20:34] <xtmnx_> i bet it's not, yeah hehe
[20:34] <LaCtoSE> alsamixer
[20:34] <xtmnx_> xubuntu related issue then :p
[20:34] <LaCtoSE> there's no bar where headphone is
[20:34] <xtmnx_> how do I prevent firefox from jumping workspace when called from another workspace
[20:34] <xtmnx_> e.g. irc
[20:34] <knome> LaCtoSE, oh, do you use alsa at all or do you use pulseaudio?
[20:35] <xtmnx_> there was option in xfce 4.4 to prevent it (that I found from googling) but doesn't seem to work anymore
[20:35] <xtmnx_> with 4.6
[20:35] <david_25> well no ones home on #ubuntu-ps3
[20:35] <knome> david_25, you just have to wait. we are volunteers.
[20:35] <david_25> can someone help me with bluetooth keyboard issues
[20:36] <LaCtoSE> knome, i'm guessing it's using just alsa. i've not done anything adventurous with the normal install(yet).
[20:36] <knome> LaCtoSE, which xubuntu version?
[20:37] <LaCtoSE> knome, 9.04
[20:37] <knome> xtmnx_, from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/272171: "browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground should be set to true"
[20:37] <xtmnx_> knome: ah, thanks
[20:37] <knome> xtmnx_, that should fix it.
[20:41] <knome> LaCtoSE, you can try to remove the package 'pulseaudio'
[20:41] <knome> LaCtoSE, that might solve your problem.
[20:41] <LaCtoSE> ok
[20:42] <LaCtoSE> here's a pastebin of my sound hw - http://pastebin.com/f54ada5c6
[20:42] <LaCtoSE> dunno if that'll help
[20:42] <knome> LaCtoSE, i personally think it's just pulseaudio messing up.
[20:43] <LaCtoSE> i'll look into it. i hope it sorts out the auto-sensing on the jacks as well.
[20:52] <edgar_> hi
[20:52] <knome> !hi | edgar_
[20:53] <edgar_> i have little problem, need some help...
[20:53] <knome> !ask | edgar_
[21:09] <edgar_> i have x and y folder and they are in the folder b. i want to delete folder b but if i do it, x and y will be lost too. there is a chance to copy x and y folders somewhere else but its taking too much time (x and y folders are big). so the question is. is there a faster way?example. there are peas in the pod (pod-folder b peas-folders x,y) how can i get rid of pod, without losing the peas. tnx for help and sry for my bad english:)
[21:13] <knome> edgar_, if you *move* them, it will be faster, assuming you move them to the physically same HD
[21:31] <edgar_> i tried, but it makes the same if i copy them. and even if i delete some big files, its taking a very long time. seems like xubuntu moving those files. the process seems similar if i copy music to my mp3 player. its taking time.
[21:52] <slow-motion> hi
[22:33] <slow-motion> n8
[22:38] <Slonkie> How come i'm not capable of burning out an .bin file with brasero?
[22:45] <SiDi> what is that bin file ?
[22:45] <SiDi> is it an iso9660 ?
[22:45] <SiDi> cause either, just turn it into iso, or shout at the guy who gave it to you
[22:52] <Slonkie> renaming it to .iso doesn't solve the problem
[22:53] <Slonkie> It makes it possible to burn, but when i plug it in, it says unable to mount for stupid reasons
[22:55] <th0r> Slonkie: sounds like the file is bad
[22:56] <Slonkie> the file works
[22:57] <Slonkie> CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format
[22:57] <Slonkie> It says
[22:57] <hdsturg> Slonkie: Did you convert it to ISO?  You could use bchunk: http://www.linuxtent.com/?p=82
[22:58] <th0r> Slonkie: yup....if it is not in iso9660 format then.....the file is bad
[22:59] <Slonkie> hm okay
[22:59] <Slonkie> I know for a fact im able to burn it in a windows machine
[23:00] <Slonkie> Guess that will be what i'm gonna have to do.
[23:00] <hdsturg> Slonkie: i'm not sure, but i'd think that you'd have to actually convert the file to iso.. not just rename the extension
[23:01] <Slonkie> i actually do have the .cue file for the bin file
[23:02] <Slonkie> hmm i'll take a look at that link hdsturg, thanks :).
[23:02] <hdsturg> Slonkie: you'd still need bchunk.  but just do: bchunk xxx.bin xxx.cue xxx.iso
[23:13] <SiDi> Slonkie, it didnt say rename, i said turn into :P
[23:13] <th0r> SiDi: it isn't an iso file...it is a windows proprietary format for burning cd's. He will have to convert it to get it to work in brasero
[23:14] <SiDi> Slonkie, most of the burning / iso mounting proprietary apps use crappy formats, and of course these formats never end up in opensource apps. iso9660 is _the_ standard iso format and they should _not_ name iso/bin a file that is not iso9660
[23:15] <Slonkie> Okay


[00:08] <dtchen> amitk: thanks, looking
[00:26] <dtchen> amitk: it looks like a dupe of 315971. note from your alsa-info.sh output that 'Front' is muted.
[00:27] <dtchen> amitk: please test combinations of unmuting 'Front' and 'Surround'
[00:27] <dtchen> amitk: i'll leave it unduped for now
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> Has anyone noticed horrible, horrible performance in Jaunty, which is quickly and easily solved by switching to AS via elevator=as on the kernel command line?
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> somebody broke CFQ :|  it worked fine in the last release
[06:26] <pwnguin> which, kernel, speficially, is "the last release"?
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ uname -a
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> Linux icebox 2.6.28-11-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 2 04:39:54 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.39_amd64.deb
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> pwnguin:  oh, last release?
[06:29] <pwnguin> yes, as in not the current current ;)
[06:29] <bluefoxicy> whatever 8.10 was running 3 days before Jaunty went Beta
[06:29] <pwnguin> you removed it already?
[06:29] <bluefoxicy> itgot removed automatically when I upgraded.  I wound up with 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 somehow
[06:30] <pwnguin> it's probably still in dpkg
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> I'm pretty sure 8.10 wasn't running 2.6.27
[06:30] <pwnguin> it was at the very start
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> really?
[06:30] <pwnguin> i think so
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> huh.  I thought they got through 2 or 3 releases between versions...
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> either way, yeah, then I removed it.
[06:31] <pwnguin> you probably still have some kernels around but not in grub?
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> they're not in dpkg
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ ls -l /boot/*.img*
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7891804 2009-04-03 01:04 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$
[06:32] <pwnguin> well
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> anyway i need a shower real quick
[06:32] <pwnguin> how do you feel about git-bisect?
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> #*$& where'd i put the timer
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> what's git bisect
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> oh there it is
[06:33] <pwnguin> git bisect is a way to sort of binary search for things in the revision history
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> I have 40 minutes before bread has to be pulled from oven so I'll bbiab.  Mind you this behavior's been around since I started using Jaunty, there wasn't a single minor kernel update that set it in play for me
[06:34] <pwnguin> have you by chance done anything with ext4?
[06:37] <pwnguin> i was watching ted t'so give a talk about ext4 and he mentioned something about ext4 being able to use ext3 filesystems, im not sure if that comes into play or what
[06:38] <pwnguin> well, im gonna play some video games and sleep
[06:47] <bluefoxicy> k
[06:47] <bluefoxicy> yes I started on ext3 and changed fstype to ext4, which helped a bit
[06:47] <bluefoxicy> it was worse on ext3, but ext3 has more real disk IO
[07:20] <dholbach> hi guys
[07:21] <dholbach> there's a few linux / git items on http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ - not sure if you're going to consider them, but could you take a look?
[10:35] <tkamppeter> Any USB/kernel expert around? Can you have a look at bug 348316? Seems to be a low-level USB problem.
[10:35] <ubot3> Malone bug 348316 in linux "Printer (HWModel Name) May Not Be Connected" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348316
[14:18] <Kano> hi rtg , could you update karmic to <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:20] <rtg> Kano: I will continue to follow Linus throughout the -rc series.    I'm at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git.   Which is the official Ubuntu kernel git tree for Jaunty?
[18:01] <ivoks> ubuntun-jaunty.git
[18:01] <ivoks> one n too much
[18:02] <tytso1> hmm, I don't see that on the list of repo's at kernel.ubuntu.com.  i'll try going there directly and see what I get.
[18:02] <ivoks> so... ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git
[18:02] <tytso1> Oh, there it is, yeah, I found it.   Thanks!!
[18:03] <ivoks> tytso1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelGitGuide
[18:04] <tytso1> Thanks, I'm trying to work https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/330824
[18:04] <nxvl> hi
[18:04] <ubot3> Malone bug 330824 in linux "Soft lockups (freezes) when deleting files from ext4 partitions on 2.6.28" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:04] <nxvl> my sound just died 2 days ago (in Jaunty)
[18:04] <nxvl> and i've been following all the Debugging documents in the wiki
[18:04] <nxvl> but nothing seems to be wron
[18:04] <nxvl> wrong
[18:05] <tytso1> ubot3: #330824 seems pretty serious.   I'm trying to work it, but some help from some canonical kernel devs would be appreciated.
[18:05] <ubot3> tytso1: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:05] <tytso1> heh
[18:05] <nxvl> i've an Intel Corporation 82801H card
[18:19] <smb_tp> tytso1, Just scanned over the bug. Seems like we would have to get into contact with Ted about his latest comment
[18:22] <smb_tp> tytso1, Err drad. Seems like its you
[18:54] <tkamppeter> Any USB/kernel expert around? Can you have a look at bug 348316? Seems to be a low-level USB problem.
[18:55] <ubot3> Malone bug 348316 in linux "Printer (HWModel Name) May Not Be Connected" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348316
[21:08] <sladen> was anything changed between -9 and -11 to make {u,e}hci_hcd nonmodular?
[21:09] <sladen> have somebody claiming that they are built in
[21:09] <sladen> hence they can't unload the
[21:10] <sladen> grepping .config shows *=y  ...
[21:32] <dtchen> sladen: yes, it happened for 2.6.28-10.33
[21:32] <manjo> sladen, I think its built in
[21:33] <dtchen> sladen: LP: #296710 is the reference
[21:38]  * sladen reads
[21:39] <sladen> so now, when a module is misbehaving, how does one now force the drive/blacklist the other
[21:44] <sladen> tdg: <whinge-mode> when making a module built-in (cf. *_hcd), please (pretty please), could you mention it in the changelog
[21:44] <sladen> dtchen: ta for the bug #
[21:44] <dtchen> sladen: i pulled it directly from the changelog
[21:46] <sladen> dtchen: oh.  apologies due.  I'd been (thought) I'd been through the changelog twice
[21:48] <sladen> ah, I'd grepped for  -E (built.in|USB|hcd)  ... which cunningly doesn't match
[22:05] <tkamppeter> Any USB/kernel expert around? Can you have a look at bug 348316? Seems to be a low-level USB problem.
[22:05] <ubot3> Malone bug 348316 in linux "Printer (HWModel Name) May Not Be Connected" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348316
[23:13] <mkrufky> im trying to build a LUM for lpia and its complaining about a missing version.h .......
[23:13] <mkrufky> i know i have the linux-headers installed
[23:14] <mkrufky> im a bit baffled .....  i bet this is a simple one that im forgetting
[23:31] <maxb> A LUM for which distroseries?
[23:31] <maxb> LUM is rolled into the main image packages now
[23:33] <mkrufky> hardy
[23:33] <mkrufky> i see the problem now -- there is no /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink


[15:04] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so it lives here https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/avila_apps_scope/+merge/282454
[15:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/avila_apps_scope/revision/2118 is the change
[15:22] <sil2100> Saviq, dednick: hey guys! Anything known about but LP: #1536133 ? I don't see any updates in the bug itself
[15:23] <dednick> sil2100: yes. working on it
[15:24] <sil2100> dednick: any ETA? How serious is this issue in the end?
[15:26] <dednick> sil2100: need to test the fix i have for it.
[15:39] <dednick> sil2100: you can work around the issue easily enough by closing the second app from spread.
[17:23] <mterry> josharenson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264
[21:33] <josharenson> Was there a policy change so that when you lock the phone with the spread open and then unlock the phone, the last opened app shows instead of the spread?
[21:33] <josharenson> Really in reference to https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1353593 as it would make it invalid
[21:46] <dandrader> josharenson, yeah, I think we explicitly close the apps spread in unity8....