[11:02] <wowow> not yet
[11:02] <wowow> *grr*
[11:03] <wowow> and i don't have time for this, plane leaves in hours
[11:03] <Ronald> hehe :D
[11:03] <Ronald> not wise to mess things up just before you have to go away ;)
[11:04] <jhaig> I've just seen a review for Feisty on The Register.  Has a release candidate been announced, or are The Register being too hasty?
[11:04] <Ronald> jhaig: /topic
[11:06] <jhaig> Hmmm, had I actually read the article properly, I would have seen that they did mention the release date of 19th - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/16/ubuntu_feisty_release/
[11:06] <mc44> jhaig: the regiser? inaccurate? shocked I say
[11:06] <leagris> ;D
[11:07] <Ronald> usual reg style
[11:07] <mc44> and no the RC hasnt been released yet
[11:07] <Ronald> 'almost right'
[11:07] <wowow> how does scp work again?  scp thisfilewherei'mloggedin ssh://user:ipathatmachine?
[11:07] <meff> heh
[11:07] <Ronald> user@machine:dir
[11:07] <jhaig> wowow: scp thisfile user@remotemachine:location
[11:08] <leagris> Yep, April 1st Ubuntu plan to use RPM instead of deb packaging for next release
[11:08] <meff> lol
[11:09] <billy> how do I get wget to download all the files on a webpage?
[11:09] <Ronald> user will default to the username of the account you are logged into
[11:09] <jhaig> wowow: You can also use scp to copy from a remote machine to the local machine.
[11:09] <Ronald> dir will default to the destinations homedir
[11:09] <enyc> hrrm
[11:09] <Ronald> but the hostname and ":" is very needed :P
[11:09] <leagris> jhaig, wowow or rsync
[11:09] <enyc> leagris: lol
[11:10] <Ronald> jhaig: scp will gladly go local to local as well :P
[11:10] <Andruk> are beryl and compiz so different that i should use one over the other?
[11:10] <jhaig> Ronald: Maybe, but a little pointless  :-)
[11:10] <Ronald> Andruk: hopefully the difference will be gone soon. right now Beryl is more featured, moree bleeding dge, thus possibly less stable.
[11:10] <leagris> AndrewB, IMHO Beryl has more features or much finalized
[11:11] <xopher> beryl HAS got more features
[11:11] <leagris> As a visualy impaired 10%sightness I appreciate muche the interactive zoom feature in Beryl
[11:11] <xopher> yeah, I love that feature too
[11:12] <xopher> even though my eyesight is normal
[11:12] <leagris> too bad it cant follow a text cursor or active widgets
[11:12] <xopher> have you reported that?
[11:12] <linxeh> leagris: request it :)
[11:12] <xopher> yeah
[11:12] <xopher> that sounds like a good idea, they've probably just forgot that or something
[11:13] <leagris> linxeh, I guess it would be a nightmare because there are many different ways of drawing text and widgets which some include direct pixel rendering avoiding gtk or qt entirely
[11:13] <enyc> Hrrm
[11:13] <billy> If I remember correctly, Compiz's zoom function won't allow you to type while zoomed in.
[11:13] <Andruk> Ronald: how soon: weeks, a few months, or many months?
[11:14] <leagris> billy, it don't. Beryl's interactive zoom does and it is a big big bonus improvment
[11:14] <linxeh> leagris: quite possibly - but even if it only worked on a fraction of the apps it might still be beneficial. support for other apps could be added later maybe
[11:14] <enyc> I expect RC CD any moment now therefore ;-)
[11:14] <billy> leagris, yes.  quite useful.
[11:14] <xopher> Andruk, well that's really hard to say, I doubt even the devs know.. Can take a while, probably a few months at least - before the compiz and beryl merge is complete
[11:15] <billy> how can I change which program .mp3 files are associated with?
[11:15] <Ronald> Andruk: no idea. Beryl is a fork of compiz, and just last weak they announced to re-unite
[11:16] <xopher> billy, right click on the file, properties, open with? ;p
[11:16] <wowow> okay who had that panel issue?
[11:16] <wowow> here is the fix
[11:16] <Andruk> Ronald: oh, okay...i was reading that they were merging, i didnt know they announced it last week though.  kind of a good idea, really.  simply fork the project to develop competition in development, then take the best of both worlds and merge them together.  well done devs!
[11:16] <wowow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2208582
[11:16] <wowow> oops
[11:16] <wowow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2401087&postcount=4
[11:16] <wowow> that
[11:17] <leagris> llinxeh there are already serious work on gnome accssibility with orca, cisero, brltty... I subscribed a blind linux user list a while ago. Quite good things comming for braille but not that much for things like interactive zoming. Beryl is the first realy usefull zoom
[11:17] <billy> thanks xopher
[11:17] <wowow> basically whenever an x app tried to start up the fawking x11 font issue got in the way
[11:17] <wowow> give that a try instead
[11:17] <Andruk> is there a way i can get metacity to start up with my login?
[11:17] <Ronald> Andruk: its more about politics usually... but the result from forks are good a few times... notable: egcs/gcc, Xorg... lets hope beryl compiz will follow that successline
[11:18] <Andruk> what did Xorg compete with?
[11:18] <meff> XFree86
[11:18] <Ronald> Xfree, which made a politic discision that didn't go well with a lot of people
[11:18] <Andruk> ah
[11:18] <Tom_g> Ronald: what decision?
[11:18] <jhaig> XOrg was a fork of XFree86 when they decided to change some points of the licencing, I believe.
[11:19] <Andruk> Ronald: sry to diverge from the channel topic...hat decision?
[11:19] <Ronald> was the drop that made the bucket of water overflow basically
[11:19] <Ronald> there was a bit of general unhappyness in the xfree developers community
[11:19] <Ronald> the license change made the bubble burst
[11:19] <Andruk> what did they change in the licensing?
[11:19] <meff> heh
[11:20] <Ronald> added a clause alike in the 4 clause BSD license (which is not used much, not by the *BSDs, which use the newer 3 clause BSD license)
[11:21] <Tom_g> i try not to get caught up in politics... if it works good, i dont care weather its open source or watever
[11:21] <enyc> Tom_g: xfree86 licensing became something that the FSF and DFSG considered "non-free" I believe...
[11:21] <Ronald> enyc: advertisement clause, which is gpl incompatible
[11:21] <Tom_g> enyc: oh, mr stallman whining again lol
[11:21] <enyc> Tom_g: so... x.org forked the version before that version, I think
[11:21] <wowow> lay off stallman
[11:21] <wowow> if it weren't for stallman you would all be working for the bsd folks
[11:22] <wowow> aka: microsoft
[11:22] <wowow> :)
[11:22] <Ronald> stallman is good... he is a bit of a fanatic, but he has a goal which doesn't hurt others.
[11:22] <enyc> Tom_g: well you come to your own conclusions... ;-)
[11:22] <wowow> its hard to call someone that lives by their own rules a fanatic
[11:22] <Tom_g> i nt got anything against him, but he does get a bit whiney uve gotta admit
[11:22] <Ronald> fanatic in a positive sense
[11:22] <wowow> if anything he is the closest we will see anyone live by their own philosophies
[11:22] <Ronald> passionate perhaps
[11:22] <meff> iirc xfree86 is still in development and used in some commercial unicies right?
[11:22] <wowow> we can say the same things about our selves
[11:23] <Tom_g> true
[11:23] <Tom_g> no1 perfect
[11:23] <meff> but most of the devs moved to xorg
[11:23] <wowow> i'm a hypocrite and while there is room for that in the world, stallman really sets an example
[11:23] <wowow> a non violent example at that
[11:23] <enyc> meff: there is also nothing to stop xorg being used in "cormmercial" unix
[11:23] <wowow> even his protests dont interfere with people he is protesting against
[11:23] <Ronald> wowow: thats why stallman is good.
[11:23] <enyc> meff: in fact there is notthing to stop GPL code in "commercial" unix..
[11:23] <meff> enyc: never said there was
[11:23] <wowow> he once protested with a bunch of people silently against some schlock from some company while they gave a presentation
[11:23] <Ronald> SCO does it ;)
[11:24] <enyc> meff: you may consider ubuntu "commercial" if you like imho... its got commercial support and all
[11:24] <wowow> the presentation went off without a hitch, they were quiet
[11:24] <enyc> meff: [ok]  ;-)
[11:24] <wowow> stallman is anything but extreme
[11:24] <Tom_g> wowow: yea but i think people have gotta accept that for people to move to linux, certin binary things have to be used, we may not like it, but its life
[11:24] <wowow> Tom_g, thats actually incorrect
[11:24] <wowow> gpl stands for freedom
[11:24] <wowow> if people want to use other things they can pay ms or apple to take away their freedom
[11:24] <wowow> however
[11:24] <Tom_g> but there has to be a transition
[11:24] <wowow> right
[11:24] <wowow> this is where mark has it correct
[11:24] <wowow> non free stuff and compromises are bugs to be worked out
[11:25] <enyc> meff: I dont know any reason anybody would want to use xfree86 myself... but whatever ;-)
[11:25] <wowow> once you get critical mass you can start working in the 'education' part
[11:25] <wowow> i agree you can't have a clean transition
[11:25] <Tom_g> we have to give people their mp3 playback, their gfx drivers, then gradually ween them off it
[11:25] <meff> enyc: true, but doesnt solaris still use it? i dont remember
[11:25] <Tom_g> wowow: lol woo we agreed!
[11:25] <wowow> :) haha!
[11:25] <gnomefreak> guys can please please stay on tpic. your going a bit off support
[11:25] <wowow> you thought i was gonna pulla stallman eh?
[11:26] <Tom_g> wowow: :p
[11:26] <wowow> i try to stand up for the dude, his gpl thing is like one of the GREAT hacks ever
[11:26] <wowow> he totally hacked copyright in on it self
[11:26] <wowow> its fricking beautiful
[11:26] <meff> gnomefreak: should be okay to go off topic if nobody is asking for help right?
[11:26] <wowow> the bsd folks work for free for corps that don't pay them
[11:26] <enyc> Anyway
[11:26] <gnomefreak> meff: no
[11:26] <wowow> he figured out how to get the whole thing going with words
[11:26] <wowow> just words ... well and a compiler and things :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> join #ubuntu-offtopic to continue
[11:26] <enyc> can I expect a feisty RC disk today... will a 20600415 disk work fine anyway?
[11:27] <wowow> true true
[11:27] <wowow> sorry!
[11:27] <meff> no thanks im in enough channels to count :P
[11:27] <mono> Hey guys. Can anyone point me in the direction of the software improvements for 7.04?
[11:27] <enyc> I mish to install on an intel 8?? chipset SATA w/ PATA cdrom....  and normal wired ethernet ...
[11:27] <gnomefreak> enyc: hopfully today they were rolling them on sat.
[11:27] <mc44> gnomefreak: actually sunday :)
[11:27] <enyc> gnomefreak: excellent
[11:27] <Andruk> meff: how do i get metacity to start when i login?
[11:27] <enyc> mc44: I could see the changes at mweekend ... in email
[11:27] <gnomefreak> mc44: mith.. was rolling the sat
[11:27] <enyc> mc44: looked like finishing CD for new kernel
[11:28] <mc44> gnomefreak: there was another kernel
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i know.
[11:28] <meff> Andruk: ? .. should run by itself if you use gnome
[11:28] <Ronald> Andruk: metacity/gnome is default on the ubunty variation
[11:28] <Andruk> yeah, it should.  it doesnt, i have to start it with a terminal.
[11:28] <mc44> gnomefreak: thought it was yesterday, oh well, doesnt matter :)
[11:30] <eMaX_> ne1 has an idea whether mplayer plugin for firefox stopped working with a recent update?
[11:30] <eMaX_> ff just crashes when viewing anything on youtube
[11:30] <Andruk> oh, nuther question: how do i get firestarter to startup in the tray when i login?
[11:30] <meff> Andruk: session mgmt?
[11:31] <meff> system->prefs->sessions
[11:32] <meff> eMaX_: working fine here in a 32bit chroot off feisty 64 w/ everything up-to-date
[11:41] <mono> Anyone got the features list for 7.04?
[11:48] <xopher> !feisty
[11:48] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[11:48] <mono> thanks xopher
[11:51] <bullgard4> What is 'ETA'? see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
[11:53] <zdzichuBG> bullgard4: estimated time of arrival
[11:54] <heno> *** 20070415 are now the new Release Candidate ... candidates ***
[11:54] <heno> anyone feel likedoing some ISO testing?
[11:54] <heno> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html fr details
[11:57] <bullgard4> zdzichuBG: What kind of language is that: "There is no updated time of arrival yet"? Language for the gurus only? This could have been said in plain English. Abbreviations for the sake of abbreviating?
[12:12] <tominglis> hey guys, how do you delete the address history in konqueror 3.5.6? the 'Clear History' option doesn't work?
[12:13] <h1st0> tominglis: take a look in your ~ for .konqueror folder.  Poke around in there.  Mayb ethe permissions were changed or are borked up.
[12:19] <mike00> does anyone know how to get xenman working in Feisty?
[12:23] <tominglis> h1st0: the konq_history file gets cleared, but there are still loads of url's in the location bar if you start to type something in, like www.t, loads of addresses beginning with t
[12:24] <tominglis> there must be another store of URL's somewhere?
[12:25] <xopher> you can't delete them by getting the list visible, then pressing delete when it's highlighted?
[12:26] <davisc> heno: Do you happen to know if there was a problem with some debs on the AMD64 20070414 ISO?
[12:26] <tominglis> xopher: no?
[12:26] <xopher> works for firefox ;)
[12:27] <xopher> no idea then, haven't used konq myself
[12:27] <heno> davisc: there were still some sata_nv kernel problems (not sure which arch)
[12:27] <heno> davisc: did you have boot problems?
[12:27] <davisc> heno: 2 corrupt debs screwed the base install for me and then I tried for a few hours to convince it install but gave up because I couldn't get an initrd that would accept my LVM /
[12:27] <heno> and could you try 20070415?
[12:27] <heno> davisc: did you do a CD self-test?
[12:28] <davisc> heno: I used the 20070410 ISO and everything worked. And I don't have time to wipe the machine and start again
[12:28] <heno> davisc: which ISO was this exactly?
[12:28] <davisc> heno: No, thought I could get around it and pretty much knew the 2 debs were corript
[12:28] <davisc> heno: 2 secs
[12:29] <davisc> heno: http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/daily/20070412/feisty-alternate-amd64.iso to be precise
[12:29] <davisc> heno: If it wasn't a general problem, I'll jab the HEAnet mirror maintainers
[12:29] <minimec> Hi folks. I thought, that totem-gstreamer is now able to play all sort of multimedia streams (also the restricted formats). Now I see, that totem is still al pain... I can't play asf and wmv streams... Am I missing something??? It seems that I have to swich back to mplayer...
[12:30] <heno> davisc: did you check the md5sum? It might have been a bad download or burn
[12:30] <davisc> heno: Yeah, MD5 matched AFAIK
[12:30] <Ronald> minimec: did you install the required plugins for gstreamer?
[12:31] <lazka> minimec: mine plays wmv just fine. can you give us an example link?
[12:31] <davisc> heno: Most likely a wonky burn
[12:32] <heno> yep
[12:32] <minimec> Ronald: I have the gst-plugins installed (also the ugly ones)
[12:33] <minimec> lazka: Just a moment please...
[12:33] <heno> davisc: are you in touch with the HEAnet mirror folks? a resync would be great now, because we want to ask for further testing of this
[12:33] <davisc> heno: Yeah, I can mail them. Just want them to refresh the mirror?
[12:33] <Ronald> minimec: gst-inspect-0.10 |grep asf
[12:33] <heno> davisc: yes please
[12:34] <davisc> heno: Will do
[12:34] <minimec> lazka: http://www.tagesschau.de/sendungen/0,,OID6627166_VID6627272_RESms256_PLYinternal_NAV_,00.html
[12:36] <tominglis> xopher: i loaded up konqueror as root and deleted the history there aswell, it seems as if it was loading both histories when i was using it as me?
[12:36] <minimec> Ronald: Hmmm... asf: asfdemux: ASF Demuxer Where am I wrong?
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: sorry for the ping, whats this about an RC? where did you get this information specifically
[12:37] <xopher> tominglis, but it fixed it?
[12:37] <xopher> weird
[12:37] <tominglis> xopher: yeah, i just cleared the root history
[12:37] <tominglis> xopher: would have thought it would keep root and me separate though
[12:37] <lazka> minimec: ok.. doesn't work. you're right.
[12:37] <minimec> lazka: Same thing with cnn streams. No chance for me too ...
[12:37] <heno> Admiral_Chicago: I am part of the release team, responsible for CD testing
[12:38] <Ronald> minimec: probably not... vlc plays the mms: stream as copied to clipboard by the totem plugin, but totem standalone does not
[12:38] <xopher> tominglis, try to reproduce the bug, if you can confirm it, it might be worth it to file a bug..
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: ah thank you I was in xubuntu-devel being curious as I am starting the work on the xubuntu Feisty page.
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> heno: I was confused because I didn't see anything from Mithrandir in my inbok
[12:39] <minimec> Ronald: I didn't understand that. You mean, that the codec is not installed? And what has vlc to do with that?
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> box* thanks the information
[12:39] <Ronald> minimec: vlc is an alternative media player
[12:40] <Ronald> hmz
[12:40] <heno> Admiral_Chicago: this is basically the RC, but because time is tight for mirroring we may not do a full RC announcement (with /. etc), depends on how testing and mirroring goes today
[12:40] <Ronald> after a few minutes on the tagesschau page the audio started
[12:40] <minimec> Ronald: I do know that... So you are using vlc with the appropriate mozilla plugin? I was using mplayer until now ...
[12:40] <Ronald> no that was standalone
[12:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll test the nightlies in a Xen server I think.
[12:41] <minimec> Ronald: Yeah... I also have the audio after 3 minutes
 Admiral_Chicago: this is basically the RC, but because time is tight for mirroring we may not do a full RC announcement (with /. etc), depends on how testing and mirroring goes today
[12:41] <kal_> which version are yout alking about ? the latest live cd buil ?
[12:42] <kal_> 20070415 ?
[12:42] <heno> kal_: yes
[12:42] <kal_> ok
[12:42] <kal_> thank you heno
[12:42] <heno> daily builds magically turn into milestones after some testing
[12:42] <sponge_bob> I think I installed the wrong version of ubuntu on my laptop...can someone help me?
[12:42] <Ronald> minimec: waiting for totem stand alone launched from a terminal... hope it will spawn some info
[12:42] <Ronald> sponge_bob: tell more
[12:43] <heno> we then move those exact images to different servers and mirror them for mass downloading
[12:43] <sponge_bob> Ronald, this has a 64 bit processor and Im wondering if I have the right version of ubuntu installed
[12:43] <minimec> Ronald: I did that too. Wait a moment...
[12:43] <minimec> !pastebin
[12:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <Ronald> minimec: zero info...
[12:45] <minimec> Ronald: This is what I get with cnn streams http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15953/
[12:46] <minimec> Ronald: It looks, that I have no decoder installed ;)
[12:46] <ZombiekE> hello, I updated to 15 but I still have the same problem, I get a black screen and the mouse "waiting", what can I do?
[12:47] <AngryElf_> has anyone else experienced a slow ssh client with fiesty?
[12:49] <sponge_bob> Ronald, I have an AMD Turion 64 ML-32 processor and Im guessing I need to get the 64 bit version of ubuntu
[12:50] <Ronald> sponge_bob: need is a big word. Did you get the x86 or amd64 cd
[12:50] <sponge_bob> x86
[12:50] <Ronald> perhaps suboptimal, but not a big problem
[12:51] <eMaX_> is it possible to copy a file from an smb mounted share so that a broken transfer can be resumed? rsync --partial restarts at the beginning
[12:51] <leagris> AngryElf_, you can try ssh -vvv thehost and see what operation takes time
[12:51] <slytherin> eMaX_: Does wget support download from smb shares?
[12:51] <sponge_bob> :)
[12:52] <sponge_bob> and my wireless wasnt getting detected as well as the video
[12:53] <eMaX_> well the mounted share basically is part of the file system, so a normal copy works. yet I have to copy a pretty big file, and the network may go down in the meantime.
[12:54] <minimec> Ronald: So you do agree, that totem-gstreamer is still crap? ;)
[12:55] <Ronald> minimec: nope :D there must be something weird
[12:56] <Ronald> my gst install has wmv up to v9 through ffmpeg
[12:56] <minimec> Ronald: I mean... This is a clean feisty install...
[12:56] <Ronald> same
[12:56] <tominglis> hi guys, whenever kernel updates occur there is an error message saying that the dmsetup rules file 25 is missing, is there a way to get it back?
[12:58] <minimec> Ronald: but you can't play that 'tagesschau-stream with totem neither, do you? It works with mplayer... ;)
[12:58] <dystopianray> minimec: do you have the restricted codecs stuff for gstreamer?
[12:59] <sponge_bob> Ronald, well I dont like the idea of anything being sub-optimal
[12:59] <sponge_bob> heh
[12:59] <Ronald> dystopianray: its a 3 minute stream, which starts audio only after.... 3 minutes... installed codecs includ wmv up to v9
[12:59] <spheard> Hi, Ive just reinstalled vista on my dual boot with edgy. vista has over written my MBR. Is there an easy way to get grub back on charge?
[12:59] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: your whole experience will likely be suboptimal with 64-bit, no flash, no java firefox plugin, etc..
[12:59] <Ronald> i want the wmv, but wget doesn't exactly support mms schemes
[12:59] <dystopianray> Ronald: oh, how strange
[01:00] <tominglis> spheard: there is a page in the ubuntu wiki that tells you how to get grub back
[01:00] <sponge_bob> ouch
[01:00] <minimec> dystopianray: Wich package would that be? I have all the gst-plugins installed, including 'ugly' and 'ugly-multiverse'
[01:00] <dystopianray> minimec: I don't know sorry, i use kubuntu
[01:01] <dystopianray> spheard: basically just just chroot from the livecd and run something like: grub-install --no-floppy /dev/blah
[01:01] <Ronald> if gstreamer saw the video stream, and notices it cannot handle it, it will throw an error (or really, launch synaptic for you)
[01:01] <minimec> dystopianray: So no gstreamer ;)
[01:01] <dystopianray> minimec: yep, only xine and wmv3 works with libxine-extracodecs
[01:02] <Ronald> minimec: incidentally, happen to know how to save the wmv to disk, instead of trying to play it ;)?
[01:02] <minimec> Ronald: I do agree with you. But in our case, the plugin seems to buffer correctly, but fails to play ...
[01:03] <Ronald> have you used edgy before?
[01:03] <minimec> Ronald: I used edgy before, but this is a clean feisty install.
[01:03] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, so your saying I am better using the PC version instead?
[01:04] <Ronald> did tageschau work on edgy?
[01:04] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: with the x86 version, yes
[01:04] <sponge_bob> yeah
[01:04] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I can't seem to get my wireless running...could you help me out?
[01:04] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what chipset?
[01:05] <sponge_bob> how can I check that
[01:05] <minimec> Ronald: It worked with edgy and also works now with feisty when I use mplayer and the w32codecs.
[01:05] <Ronald> its wmv8, wma8
[01:05] <Ronald> totem properties says
[01:05] <Ronald> dimensions 0x0
[01:05] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: pastebin the output of 'lspci'
[01:05] <Ronald> framerate and bitrate 0
[01:05] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok 1 minute
[01:07] <Madeye> anyone got apache2/php5 running on feisty ?
[01:07] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442598
[01:07] <heno> anyone here have experience with Microsoft Virtual PC? It would be nice to test some ubuntu ISOs on it
[01:07] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok you have broadcom wireless, i'd recommend using ndiswrapper
[01:07] <sponge_bob> my video could use some better drivers too I am guessing
[01:08] <dystopianray> heno: why not use vmware?
[01:08] <dystopianray> heno: I don't think virtual pc supports anything but dos and windows
[01:08] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what video card?
[01:08] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh wait, i'll just look at lspci
[01:08] <heno> dystopianray: that's vwhat I'd like to find out :)
[01:09] <heno> dystopianray: we use both vmware and virtualbox extensively
[01:09] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh sis video, can't help with that
[01:09] <Ronald> minimec: hmz... gst doesn't use typefinding, instead of that it relies on info from the asf
[01:09] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, so I install ndiswrapper?
[01:09] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: yes and you have to blacklist the bcm43xx driver
[01:10] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: and you need to get some firmware for your card
[01:10] <dystopianray> heno: maybe this will help http://vpc.visualwin.com/
[01:10] <minimec> Ronald: I guess, that I will swich back to mplayer and paste a bug for totem-gstreamer.
[01:11] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i mean, umm you don't need firmware, but you need the .sys and .inf file from a windows driver
[01:11] <sponge_bob> ok
[01:11] <heno> dystopianray: thanks
[01:13] <kal_> I've just tested the latest iso (20070415), and i have a screen corruption on my desktop computer. It seems ok on my laptop anyway
[01:13] <kal_> I don't know if i need to report this bug, and what log should i include ...
[01:13] <kal_> which*
[01:13] <dystopianray> kal_: what video hardwrae do you have?
[01:13] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I got ndiswrapper installed now
[01:13] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now you need to blacklist the bcm43xx driver
[01:13] <kal_> dystopianray: a geforce 7600GT
[01:13] <dystopianray> kal_: are you using the nv or nvidia driver?
[01:13] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, hows that?
[01:14] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: what is the output of this: lsmod | grep bcm
[01:14] <kal_> dystopianray: i didn't touched anything. I just let the cd booting and i dnt know which one its using
[01:14] <dystopianray> kal_: the corruption is on the livecd?
[01:14] <kal_> dystopianray: yes
[01:14] <kal_> when X appear
[01:15] <kal_> usplash is ok :)
[01:15] <dystopianray> kal_: what does the corruption look like?
[01:15] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442609
[01:16] <kal_> dystopianray: hmm, im going to take a picture if you want ?
[01:16] <dystopianray> kal_: sure
[01:16] <Ronald> minimec: fetched a tool called mms_client, trying to save the wmv through that....
[01:16] <kal_> ok lemme reboot on the live cd
[01:16] <kal_> i'll be back
[01:17] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: open up /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and on a new line put this 'blacklist bcm43xx'
[01:17] <minimec> Ronald: This is amazing. ;) I switched to totem-xine in combination with the w32codecs, and guesss what happened ... I can see the streams of tagesschau.de but still no streams of cnn.com ;)
[01:18] <Ronald> minimec: totem plays the downloaded Tagsschau no issues
[01:19] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, saved and done
[01:19] <Ronald> framerate doesn't exactly look like 50 fps though :P
[01:20] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok now run this 'modprobe -r bcm43xx'
[01:20] <valehru> Hey guys, is there a reason why nautilus won't let me rename any folders, or create any folders even in my home directory.  Is this a bug?  Even when I try and creat a new folder through bluefish or firefox it works one minute and then doesnt the next.  Also applies to renaming files, I can delete them no problem
[01:20] <minimec> Ronald: So you fetch the stream with your mms_client and then play it from your local drive... Why not. I will have a look at that. I will continue to use mplayer...
[01:20] <Ronald> minimec: you may include this in your bugreport
[01:20] <minimec> Ronald: Yeah ;) I will ...
[01:20] <Ronald> minimec: its unacceptable, but important info for the developers
[01:21] <dystopianray> valehru: what filesystem is it? are there any errors in dmesg appearing?
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, ext3
[01:21] <Ronald> minimec: as it helps them narrow down the root of the problem
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, lemme check dmesg
[01:21] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, Error removing bcm43xx
[01:21] <valehru> dystopianray, nothing coming up in dmesg
[01:22] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: did you use sudo?
[01:22] <dystopianray> valehru: only nautilus has the problem?
[01:22] <valehru> dystopianray, well, I do it in nautilus, in the desktop, and through firefox and other appz....they all seem to be affected...its weird
[01:22] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok that gave no error back
[01:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now you need to get the .sys and .inf file from a windows driver for your card
[01:23] <Ronald> minimec: drop me a link to your bugreport please ;)
[01:23] <valehru> sponge_bob, are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:23] <sponge_bob> I installed ndiswrapper
[01:23] <sponge_bob> how do I use that
[01:23] <valehru> sponge_bob, what version?
[01:24] <sponge_bob> how can I check?
[01:24] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: you use it by getting a .sys and .inf file for your card from a windows driver
[01:24] <valehru> sponge_bob, the one in the repository or from sourceforge?
[01:24] <valehru> sponge_bob, ndiswrapper -v
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: from the repo
[01:24] <minimec> Ronald: Well I will try to get as much information as possible out of my system ;). I will give you the link, but it will take some time to write and investigate the problem.
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: he is going to use it instead of bcm43xx
[01:24] <valehru> dystopianray, get the latest one from the sourceforge
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: why?
[01:24] <valehru> dystopianray, 1.40 I believe
[01:24] <sponge_bob> driver version 1.38
[01:24] <dystopianray> valehru: for what reason?
[01:25] <valehru> I had problems with the one from the repos last night
[01:25] <dystopianray> valehru: well we'll wait until he has problems too
[01:25] <valehru> I compiled the one from sourceforge and it worked no problem
[01:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: do you dual boot? or have the driver cd for your card?
[01:26] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, yes dual boot
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: and you have the wireless driver installed in windows?
[01:26] <sponge_bob> I can look online maybe for the wifi drivers
[01:26] <sponge_bob> yes
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: best to use one that you know works
[01:26] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, you can mount your windows partition and grab the driver from there
[01:27] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I see a drive on the desktop is that it?
[01:27] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I don't know
[01:27] <sponge_bob> has windows and program files in it
[01:27] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, can anyone give me a nice repo list for feisty? cause i am new to linux, and its alot easier to do apt-get install than to try execute .sh files, specially ones in java that dont really do anything i can see
[01:27] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: well it must be it then
[01:28] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: what are you trying to do?
[01:28] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i think windows keeps drivers in C:\windows\system32\
[01:28] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, trying to install blogbridge
[01:28] <sponge_bob> ok
[01:28] <minimec> Ronald: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/mimms Your mms_client is in the repo now ;)
[01:28] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I will check there
[01:29] <ROnewbie> I get no sound out of a Gateway 3040GZ laptop running Feisty; my sound card is an Intel 82801DB ch4; it's installed, and the modules are loaded, but no sound is coming out of it. HELP ?
[01:29] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: the driver is probably something like 'bcm*.sys'
[01:29] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: is that intel-hda?
[01:30] <valehru> sponge_bob, whats the name of your wifi card?  lspci gives what?
[01:30] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: mind the "newbie" part ... :-) ... hda = hard drive ?
[01:30] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, is your sound hardware the 'intel high definition audio' ?
[01:30] <dystopianray> valehru: it's a bcm4318 card
[01:31] <valehru> same as me
[01:31] <valehru> hang on.
[01:31] <minimec> ROnewbie: Try to change volume on 'Headphone' I had that problem with a Laptop... 'Headphone' was recognized as 'Master'
[01:31] <sponge_bob> valehru, http://pastebin.ca/442598
[01:31] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: I only know the name of it  - intel 82801DB - ICH4 ... how can I find out if it's hda ?
[01:32] <valehru> sponge_bob, http://www.valehru.com/blog/?p=181
[01:32] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: oh ich4, then it's probably not hda
[01:32] <ROnewbie> minimec: all volume controls are up, including that one
[01:32] <valehru> sponge_bob, drivers are up there.
[01:32] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: which means what ? good or bad ?
[01:32] <minimec> ROnewbie: ok. So I cannot help you ;)
[01:33] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: well both really, intel-hda is totally screwed on feisty and your card doesn't work
[01:33] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, you mean in  'C:\windows\system32\drivers' ?
[01:33] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I have no idea, but use the driver valehru linked to
[01:34] <sponge_bob> I see a bcmwl5.sys in there
[01:34] <valehru> sponge_bob, http://www.valehru.com/files/SP34152A.tar.gz
[01:34] <valehru> sponge_bob, those are the latest ones I believe
[01:34] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: oh yeah that is the corect one
[01:34] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: grab that file and the matching *.inf file and copy to your home dir
[01:34] <ROnewbie> minimec, dystopianray: I played with the alsamixer in all possible combinations ... I am quite sure the modules are loaded, I have no idea what's happening. I had the same problem on Edgy, that's one of the reasons I switched to Feisty ... only difference is that some switches are now mutually excluding.
[01:34] <sponge_bob> k
[01:35] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: have you filed a bug report?
[01:35] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: if the drivers you are using in windows don't work then try the ones that valehru linked to
[01:35] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: no, not yet. I'm not sure yet it's a bug, I'm new to linux, and I wouldn't know what to paste there. Still learning most terminal commands.
[01:36] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, would the .inf be in the same dir?
[01:36] <minimec> ROnewbie: What about esd? Is esd installed and running?
[01:36] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: I think so
[01:36] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: but if not then just grab valehru's driver, I wouldn't know where else to look
[01:36] <valehru> sponge_bob, it should be.
[01:37] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: it's probably just bcmwl5.inf
[01:37] <ROnewbie> minimec: if by that you mean if it's checked in the "sound" section, yes, and ALL system sounds are assigned something. I went with someone more knowledgeable through the output of terminal commands and I was told there's no reason it wouldn't work.
[01:37] <sponge_bob> yes
[01:37] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: so you have the two files in your home dir now?
[01:38] <TheSilentW> dystopianray, trying to install blogbridge, java app
[01:38] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: if it's not in the official repos then I don't know where else it would be
[01:38] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I can see the .inf one but I cant copy it
[01:38] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: why not?
[01:39] <minimec> ROnewbie: Open gstreamer-properties and try to switch to ESD for output.
[01:39] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: try this: $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:40] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok got it
[01:40] <sponge_bob> they both in there
[01:40] <ROnewbie> minimec: where's that ?
[01:40] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now open a terminal and run $ ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[01:40] <scotthammy> Quck one, hi everyone, can someone tell me where i can download the new 7.10 as i can get my wifi going.
[01:40] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: doing it now ... what is it ?
[01:40] <minimec> ROnewbie: open a terminal and type gstreamer-properties
[01:40] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: if you can't hear anything then your sound definietly doesn't work
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[01:41] <dystopianray> scotthammy: 7.10 won't be released till october
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, then ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[01:41] <scotthammy> sorry
[01:41] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:41] <ROnewbie> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:41] <scotthammy> 7.4
[01:41] <valehru> sponge_bob, then sudo ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[01:41] <ROnewbie> minimec: doing it now
[01:41] <dystopianray> valehru: he shouldn't need to do that
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, yes he should
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, I've installed that card on multiple machines
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, and I've had to do that each and every time
[01:42] <dystopianray> valehru: hrrm ok
[01:42] <valehru> dystopianray, it doesnt do any harm anyhow
[01:42] <scotthammy> 7.04 download Iso anyone? link?
[01:42] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, something is using your sound device
[01:42] <dystopianray> scotthammy: not released yet
[01:43] <scotthammy> the beta?
[01:43] <ROnewbie> minimec: did that
[01:43] <scotthammy> the ubuntu page says its only 4 days away?
[01:43] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: could it be that I have a dual boot, with xp "taking it over", so to say ?
[01:43] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: unless windows is running right now, then no
[01:44] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: it isn't
[01:44] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: then windows isn't doing anything
[01:44] <dystopianray> scotthammy: beta: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ pre-RC releases (newer than beta): http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[01:44] <minimec> ROnewbie: So no success with esd?
[01:44] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: forgot to say that I'm now playing with the sound preferences again, and just before I typed the command you said I switched to ESD, INSTED OF ALSA
[01:44] <scotthammy> Thank you :))
[01:44] <ROnewbie> instead of alsa
[01:45] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: that wasn't me
[01:45] <ROnewbie> minimec, nope
[01:45] <ROnewbie> minimec: should I restart?
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: the command line that was supposed to bring in the background noise or something
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: $ cat /dev/urandom etc.
[01:46] <sponge_bob> valehru, http://pastebin.ca/442632
[01:46] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: was that supposed to be typed in with ALSA selected all over ?
[01:47] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: something has stolen your sound device so what I suggeste won't work
[01:47] <minimec> ROnewbie: normally not, because esd is started by default, when you boot. You could try to reconfigure alsa-base by typing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base' in a terminal.
[01:47] <ROnewbie> minimec: I'll restart, just for the fun of it ...
[01:47] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: that's funny ... any ideas of what this could be ?
[01:47] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: pastebin 'sudo ndiswrapper -l'
[01:47] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, sorry
[01:48] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: well, thanks for taking the time, anyway.
[01:48] <scotthammy> Can you tell me if the beta has anymore support for the bcom wifi cards?
[01:48] <dystopianray> scotthammy: it has more than 6.10
[01:48] <dystopianray> scotthammy: and it still has ndiswrapper
[01:48] <Ronald> minimec: different package, but p[robably does the job
[01:49] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: just before I boot, do you have any idea if I can see what/how is using my soundcard ?
[01:49] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: maybe: $ sudo lsof /dev/snd* /dev/dsp
[01:49] <Ronald> restarting X, as Dell just delivered replacement monitor, so i want my dual screen back ;)
[01:49] <crimsun> use: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[01:49] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: bash: $: command not found
[01:49] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442636
[01:50] <scotthammy> Broadcom 43xx - i run over the howto in the forum but now ubuntu will not even get past the startup screen, so i hoping the 7.04 would work out of the box with my laptops Broadcom 43xx card?
[01:50] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: you should have lsof
[01:50] <dystopianray> scotthammy: no it won't
[01:50] <minimec> Ronald: Didn't install it yet
[01:50] <crimsun> scotthammy: it won't. for bcm43xx, you need extracted firmware. for ndiswrapper, you need the windows driver.
[01:50] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool ... what is it ?
[01:51] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: tells you what processes have the specified files open
[01:51] <ROnewbie> crimsun: have you been getting my messages ?
[01:51] <crimsun> ROnewbie: no
[01:51] <scotthammy> im trying really have to use ubuntu as a desktop replacement and more away from windows, but man, its not an easy move. is there any easy was i can install something to get it working?
[01:51] <crimsun> and I'm away for lecture. I'll be back in 90 minutes.
[01:51] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: so if you do $ sudo lsof /dev/snd/* it should tell you what process is using your soundcard
[01:52] <crimsun> dystopianray: please advise the above command that I've pasted. The one you're suggesting is insufficient.
[01:52] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, I appreciate your help and patience
[01:52] <ROnewbie> crimsun: for 2 weeks now I'm trying to get sound on ubuntu, initially on 6.10, now on Feisty, and you've been recommended by some ppl as an audio guru ... do you have 2 minutes ?
[01:52] <crimsun> ROnewbie: 07:51 < crimsun> and I'm away for lecture. I'll be back in 90 minutes.
[01:52] <dystopianray> crimsun: i'm not suggesting anything in regards to what you said
[01:52] <crimsun> dystopianray: I'm telling you the /proper/ command.
[01:52] <dystopianray> crimsun: tell ROnewbie
[01:53] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: I typed lsof and got several pages
[01:53] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: of output
[01:53] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: run crimsun's command
[01:53] <crimsun> people with sound issues need to be reading and pastebinning http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:54] <crimsun> for gusty, we'll be integrating much of these debugging steps into the hwdb-client
[01:54] <crimsun> anyhow, off.
[01:54] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: this one ? lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[01:54] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: use, pastebin the output of that
[01:54] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: use = yes
[01:54] <ROnewbie> !paste
[01:54] <Stormx2> crimsun: hwdb-client ?
[01:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:54] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, http://pastebin.ca/442636
[01:55] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: ok, now run this 'modprobe ndiswrapper'
[01:55] <TheSilentW> how do i see disk space ?
[01:55] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: df -h
[01:55] <TheSilentW> theres no graphical way?
[01:56] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: here it is : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15959/
[01:56] <asad2005> I want to add /dev/ttyS4 but MAKEDEV gives an error that udev is running ? can anyone help me creat /dev/ttyS4
[01:56] <dystopianray> TheSilentW: yeah there is, but guis suck
[01:56] <TheSilentW> LOL
[01:56] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, ok did that with a sudo
[01:56] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: now you should have working wireless
[01:57] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, run this: $ sudo kill -9 5389 ; sudo kill -9 5480
[01:57] <minimec> TheSilentW: you have some basic infos in the gnome-system-manager
[01:57] <TheSilentW> OMG installed already soooooooo much stuff and i am still on 5 gb ?
[01:57] <TheSilentW> damn linux is small
[01:57] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: one second, I switched all sound events in preferences/sounds to ALSA, typed that again, and it looks like this
[01:58] <ROnewbie> COMMAND    PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[01:58] <ROnewbie> mixer_app 5480 ionut   18u   CHR 116,10      13553 /dev/snd/controlC0
[01:58] <ROnewbie> sorry for the paste, it's only 2 lines
[01:58] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, so run this: $ sudo kill -9 5480
[01:58] <bicz> or pkill -9 mixer_app right?
[01:59] <dystopianray> bicz: yes that should work
[01:59] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: without the "$", right?
[02:00] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes, that should already be there in your shell prompt
[02:00] <kal> here is a picture of the screen corruption that i get with latest ubuntu live cd  :
[02:00] <kal> http://kalhfr.free.fr/linux/divers/Photo-0504.jpg
[02:01] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: i did, asked me for my pass, and then I got a pop-up - "volume control has quit unexpectedly. if you reload a panel object it will automatically be added back to the panel."
[02:01] <ROnewbie> and my sound control dissapeared from the toolbar
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: that is normal
[02:01] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: and the sound control dissapeared from the toolbar
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: now running that lsof command again should have an empty list
[02:01] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes that's fine
[02:02] <dystopianray> kal: oh dear
[02:02] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: yep, empty.
[02:02] <dystopianray> kal: i assume this doesn't happen with edgy?
[02:02] <kal> yep
[02:02] <clouder`grr> Anyone here use democracy?
[02:02] <kal> its just with feisty
[02:02] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok, now try this (it may be loud so be prepared to kill it with ctrl+c) $ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[02:02] <kal> dystopianray: where sould i notice this bug ?
[02:03] <dystopianray> kal: you can notice right there on your screen
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray:  oh, boy, wait a sec, I clicked the "reload" button by mistake, the icon is back again
[02:03] <kal> i mean, on a forum ? on a list ?
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: typed lsof, here's new output
[02:03] <dystopianray> kal: submit a bug report on launchpad
[02:03] <kal> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:03] <kal> there ?
[02:03] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: mixer_app 16331 ionut   18u   CHR 116,10      13553 /dev/snd/controlC0
[02:04] <ROnewbie> so now sudo kill -16331 ?
[02:04] <minimec> clouder`grr: Yes. I installed it, but it is damn slow ...
[02:04] <dystopianray> kal: yes that appears to be the ubuntu bugs site on launchpad
[02:04] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no, sudo kill -9 16331
[02:04] <Lin> Feisty is still broken?
[02:04] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: kill sends signals to processes, -9 is the KILL signal
[02:04] <dystopianray> Lin: shouldn't be
[02:05] <Lin> dystopianray: ok. ;-)
[02:05] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: k, did it
[02:05] <ROnewbie> dystopianray:  I'll now typed the urandom
[02:05] <clouder`grr> minimec: I upgraded from edgy and it lost all the channels I added, and won't recognize the vids I already downloaded
[02:05] <clouder`grr> minimec: what do you use for video rss feeds?
[02:06] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: nothing.
[02:06] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: ok,, your sound definetly doesn't work
[02:06] <ROnewbie> typed lsof again, nothing
[02:06] <minimec> clouder`grr: Yeah. that's true. In fact, feisty uses a newer version of democracyplayer. You will find your downloaded vids in .democracy/Movies.
[02:07] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: all that command does is write random garbage out ot your sound device, generates loud static on working devices
[02:07] <clouder`grr> minimec: yeah I see them, but democracy doesn't have them all organized nicely for me ;/
[02:07] <FlameBird> which is faster kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:07] <Lin> ubuntu!
[02:08] <mc44> marmite!
[02:08] <clouder`grr> ubuntu with fluxbox, or so I'm told
[02:08] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: yes, someone else advised me on it before, same results. same person gave me some command lines in the output of which he could see that the sound card is installed and the sound modules are loaded ... and it can't be a hardware issue, because in WinXP it works.
[02:08] <finalbeta> FlameBird: depends on the server you are downloading them from.
[02:08] <FlameBird> finalbeta, I am asking which is faster after I install one of them
[02:08] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: how do I reload the sound control ?
[02:09] <minimec> clouder`grr: I know. You will have to create a new channel database.
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: I don't know, logging out and logging in will do it, I don't use gnome
[02:09] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: KDE ?
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: yes
[02:09] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:09] <finalbeta> FlameBird: I know, but it's a weird question so I decided to give an alternative answer to a question you never really asked. FlameBird you wont notice the difference. KDE versus GNOME is not really decided on speed. Google KDE versus GNOME
[02:10] <clouder`grr> minimec: do you use something else, or do you just bear with democracy?
[02:10] <minimec> clouder`grr: penguintv looks like a nice alternative to me.
[02:11] <FlameBird> ok finalbeta thanks!
[02:11] <clouder`grr> minimec: alright, I'll check it out.  Thanks
[02:11] <minimec> clouder`grr: np
[02:11] <dystopianray> FlameBird: you pick kubuntu over ubuntu if you prefer KDE to Gnome
[02:11] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool ... do you KDE think it will solve my problem ? :-)) .... / thanks for the link, that page and I are old buddies ... I still hope it's not a bug, given that I'm a total noob at linux I'm still hoping it's just a checkbox or something ...
[02:12] <FlameBird> dystopianray, I understand that but I cant decide on wheter its gnome or kde that provides more features
[02:12] <ROnewbie> *think KDE
[02:13] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: no your problem has nothing to do with a desktop environment, your soundcard simply doesn't work
[02:13] <dystopianray> FlameBird: features don't matter, pick the one that you prefer
[02:13] <FlameBird> dystopianray, the one with more features?
[02:13] <FlameBird> :D
[02:14] <kal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106983
[02:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 106983 in Ubuntu "Screen corruption on feisty live cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:14] <minimec> FlameBird: I guess, that it is Linux, that prvides you the features. The Windows Environment only gives you a way to use the features. I prefer the gnome way.
[02:14] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: anyway, thanks for the time. One last question: If I understood correctly, crimsun will be back in 90 ? do you think he could help with this ? / on the KDE/GNOME: i know that, hence the smiley
[02:14] <kal> here is the reported bug, my first one
[02:14] <dystopianray> ROnewbie: I think he is the alsa maintainer for ubuntu so he should be able to help
[02:14] <FlameBird> its decided
[02:14] <FlameBird> Ubuntu it is
[02:14] <minimec> FlameBird: ;)
[02:14] <ROnewbie> dystopianray: cool. thanks again for the time.
[02:15] <frandavid100> hi
[02:15] <frandavid100> where can I get the latest build of feisty?
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> cdimages.ubuntu.com irrc
[02:16] <dystopianray> frandavid100: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:17] <ores>  does anyone have any ideas why my keyboard stops working properly after i login? it only registers keypresses with X if i hold the key down for about a second
[02:18] <frandavid100> thanks dystopianray!
[02:18] <dystopianray> ores: is it wireless?
[02:19] <frandavid100> bye!
[02:19] <ores> no, its built into the laptop
[02:19] <ores> its only in that session that it has the problem
[02:19] <ores> gdm is fine, console is fine
[02:26] <anees> hi...i want to upgrade my ubuntu to fiesty..anybody help me plz
[02:27] <_4strO> anees: your on edgy ?
[02:29] <RAOF> !upgrade | anees
[02:29] <ubotu> anees: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:29] <anees> i m using ubuntu
[02:29] <anees> kde desktop
[02:30] <Pici> anees: See ubotu's message above
[02:41] <valehru> for the default nvidia drivers restricted is there GLSL support?
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: yes
[02:42] <valehru> dystopianray, hey again, how can I tell if I have it enabled?
[02:42] <RAOF> Well, actually, that depends on the card.
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: it's a feature of OpenGL 2.0 isn't it?
[02:42] <dystopianray> valehru: the nvidia drivers should do up to OpenGL 2.1
[02:42] <valehru> not sure, the guys in #winehq are going on about it..
[02:43] <valehru> I have 6600GT
[02:43] <valehru> How can I tell what nvidia drivers I am using ?
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: oh, you have to specifically enable GLSL support in wine
[02:43] <RAOF> That'll support vertex/pixel shaders.
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[02:43] <valehru> dystopianray, how do I do that?
[02:43] <dystopianray> valehru: I don't know ask in #winehq
[02:45] <valehru> hmm...Im getting
 Enverex: by still nothing, i mean.. no such directory crap
 Jaikkanen, I mean typing "Pro" and then hitting tab will auto-complete the damn URL for you
 Jaikkanen, Please join your distro channel and ask them how to use the terminal
[02:45] <valehru> ahh...soz
[02:45] <valehru> sorry
[02:45] <dystopianray> hehe, how embarrasing it would be if that guy was talking to you
[02:45] <valehru> meant to post this: [   62.721836]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  fo
[02:45] <valehru> lol...
[02:45] <valehru> not talking to me at all....
[02:46] <valehru> thank hell...I have a bit more confidence in my skillz than that
[02:46] <valehru> [   62.721836]  **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[02:46] <valehru> theres the full paste...soz
[02:46] <valehru> seems a bit weird
[02:47] <dystopianray> valehru: that shouldn't have anything to do with GLSL
[02:48] <valehru> dystopianray, I realise that....thats what was coming from dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[02:48] <dystopianray> valehru: should get something like this: [17179586.116000]  NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-8776  Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006
[02:48] <dystopianray> see I am using 8776
[02:48] <valehru> I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA i2c adapter 2 at 5:00.0]  forgot to specify physical device; fix it!
[02:48] <valehru> loading NVIDIA Linux x86_64 Kernel Module  1.0-9631  Thu Nov  9 17:35:27 PST 2006
[02:49] <dystopianray> valehru: you have driver 9631
[02:51] <dystopianray> valehru: nvidia supply tools to provide software GLSL if your hardware can't do it, although maybe only on windows
[02:51] <valehru> dystopianray, must look into it..
[02:51] <dystopianray> valehru: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/nvemulate.html
[02:54] <dystopianray> valehru: 6600 should support OpenGL 2.0 and do GLSL with no problems
[02:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:55] <Ace2016>  anyone know how i can turn my current running system with all its packages into a live CD?
[02:55] <dystopianray> Ace2016: including your current home and all your config?
[02:55] <Ace2016> yup, just the configs
[02:56] <Ace2016> but i really want this selection of packages
[02:57] <Ace2016> i have the space to build a live dvd so thats ok too
[02:57] <dystopianray> Ace2016: there was some google project i think that was a program that can modify ubuntu livecds with no packages and settings
[02:57] <AdministratorX> Check out Live Linux CDs on Amazon.com
[02:57] <Ace2016> why?
[02:57] <Ace2016> dystopianray: interesting
[02:58] <Ace2016> AdministratorX: is that a book?
[02:58] <ReyDelSillon> ubuntu 6.10 edgy.
[02:58] <AdministratorX> Yes
[02:58] <ReyDelSillon> I recently instaled ubuntu on my satadisk. the satadisk has another partition with the xp OS. as far i can see the partition is mounted but inside the disk theres only 1 folder named "lost+found" and no files. How can i access the partition and rescue some important files?
[02:58] <AdministratorX> About making Live CDs
[02:58] <dystopianray> Ace2016: http://code.google.com/p/reconstructor/
[02:58] <Ace2016> AdministratorX: thanks
[02:58] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: that is the partition
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: the drive has an empty partition with no files
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: or you mean, access the windows partition?
[02:59] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: lost+found is in the linux partition
[02:59] <ReyDelSillon> oh man im so confused with all these new terms. :)
[02:59] <Ace2016> dystopianray: do you think it could use kde as the desktop instead>#
[02:59] <Ace2016> ?
[02:59] <dystopianray> Ace2016: it's just ubuntu with kde, I don't see why not
[02:59] <ReyDelSillon> please take my hand and guide me trough.
[03:00] <ReyDelSillon> the only thing i need is to rescue some papers for the university from that partition.
[03:00] <dystopianray> Ace2016: becuase the livecd works very differently from your hdd install
[03:01] <dystopianray> Ace2016: unless you have your system configured to use ramdisks and to autoconfigure X on boot and all the other things the livecd does
[03:01] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you're mounting the wrong partition
[03:02] <ReyDelSillon> hm... how do i mount the correct one? i got an terminal open and im root. (the only thing i know how do to in a terminal btw.)
[03:02] <Ace2016> dystopianray: don't want x to be reconfigured on boot, i'm the only one who is going to use it
[03:03] <Ace2016> well forget the live cd idea,
[03:03] <Ace2016> how do i create an apt cd with all the packages that i have installed right now
[03:03] <Ace2016> the system is extremely stable and i want to preserve it as it is
[03:04] <dystopianray> Ace2016: backup the partition onto a dvd and restore it next time you want to use it
[03:04] <Ace2016> dystopianray: too large to back up like that, just want to keep this set of packages
[03:05] <dystopianray> Ace2016: how large is it? put it on 2 dvds
[03:05] <tapas_> xlock so doesn't work anymore on ubuntu ;)
[03:05] <tapas_> ah i know why..
[03:05] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or removeable drive
[03:05] <tapas_> because i told kde to allow drawing in the root window
[03:05] <tapas_> [or so i think. checking]
[03:06] <tapas_> yep that's it..
[03:06] <Ace2016> the kde screensaver never works for some reason
[03:06] <ReyDelSillon> hm... how do i mount the correct one? i got an terminal open and im root. (the only thing i know how do to in a terminal btw.) -seems like you did oversee me ;)
[03:07] <dfgas_> stupid question, but how do i get the games menu to split the games in the kind of games or do i have to do this manually
[03:08] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: run 'fdisk -l' see which partition is a windows one and mount it
[03:08] <dystopianray> dfgas_: manually
[03:08] <dfgas_> darn
[03:08] <dfgas_> heh
[03:09] <dystopianray> dfgas_: or edit the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and put it in a subfolder or group or whatever gnome wants
[03:10] <ReyDelSillon> http://pastebin.ca/442749
[03:11] <Ace2016> dude, it doesn't look like you have a windows partition
[03:11] <Ace2016> anymore...
[03:11] <ReyDelSillon> i havent formated or changed that partition. that im sure of.
[03:11] <dystopianray> /dev/sdb1   *           1        3936     1007600    e  W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[03:11] <dystopianray> i that was the one that was formatted, then windows is gone
[03:12] <Ace2016> sdb looks like a usb pen to me
[03:12] <dystopianray> oh yeah
[03:12] <ReyDelSillon> sdb is an usb pen. yes
[03:12] <dystopianray> i didn't notice it was so small
[03:12] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you have no windows partition there
[03:12] <valehru> hmm, from the console wine always looks for the path to the wine file in  /usr/local/bin/wine but its actually in /usr/bin/wine  how can I change it?
[03:13] <ReyDelSillon> i haven messed with the partition at all.
[03:13] <Ace2016> valehru: just create a symlink that should work
[03:13] <ReyDelSillon> no tool so i can check? or something?
[03:13] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: there is no partition
[03:13] <Ace2016> ReyDelSillon: when you installed k/ubuntu how did you tell it to partition the disk?
[03:13] <valehru> Ace2016, sudo ln -s  /usr/bin/wine /usr/local/bin/wine
[03:13] <valehru> something like that?
[03:13] <Ace2016> yea
[03:14] <dystopianray> Ace2016: does /usr/local/bin/wine exist?
[03:14] <valehru> Ace2016, cool thx
[03:14] <ReyDelSillon> manually. i left the big part of the disck whit no "/"symbol and un checked the format box.
[03:15] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: how many partitions are you supposed to have?
[03:15] <ReyDelSillon> 3. swap ext3 and the ntfs....
[03:15] <ReyDelSillon> +1 de usb pen.
[03:15] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: pastebin the result of: $ sudo blkid /dev/sda*
[03:16] <ReyDelSillon> http://pastebin.ca/442759
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: ok, looks like your windows partition was formatted
[03:17] <ReyDelSillon> oh man ive lost everything on that disk, right?
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: I thought you said earlier that it only had lost+found was on there
[03:17] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: not a bit deal, just restore your backup
[03:17] <ReyDelSillon> well. when i open the sda1 disk it has 1 folder
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> the lost +fund one.
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> how do i restore?
[03:18] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: how did you backup your files?
[03:18] <ReyDelSillon> i havent backup anything.
[03:18] <Ace2016> oh
[03:18] <Ace2016> ...
[03:18] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: then they weren't very important
[03:19] <ReyDelSillon> first time i installed ubuntu it failed and grub messed up the xp boot sequence
[03:19] <ReyDelSillon> then i reinstaled and im using it now.
[03:19] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well your files are gone
[03:20] <ReyDelSillon> oh man....
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you may be able to recover some of them, but that is outside of the scope of this channel
[03:20] <ReyDelSillon> ok ok. where can i find that info?
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: you should have kept a backup and shouldn't be playing with beta software with important data
[03:20] <Ace2016> important files?
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: I don't know
[03:20] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: #windows maybe?
[03:21] <LastMall> this what needs testing ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> got some final version of some papers to the university. loads of photos and such.
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: some is gone, some might be recoverable
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> ive have to return to some early files of the papers. urg. the editing is gonna take me another week to comeplte.
[03:21] <ReyDelSillon> ok. thanks for the help anywawys.
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well i hope you've learnt to backup your data
[03:21] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: it's your own fault this happened
[03:22] <ReyDelSillon> hehe
[03:22] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, I havent seen the entire convo here but from what I can see is that you have no backups of your files and the partition the files are supposed to be on has been formatted.. you lost everything Im sorry to say
[03:22] <Hobbsee> LastMall:
[03:22] <Hobbsee> LastMall: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html
[03:22] <dystopianray> IdleOne: formatting doesn't write to the entire disk, so some areas might be recoverable with the correct tools
[03:23] <IdleOne> dystopianray, not something that can be done easy
[03:23] <ReyDelSillon> i nefver have thopught that linux was so agressive formating partitions ive not asked to format...... i guess i have tosearch the web for some recovery tool thing.
[03:23] <dystopianray> IdleOne: hehe, well that's true
[03:23] <LastMall> Hobbsee  well yeah, I read that.  I can assume the daily build dated yesterday is the right one tho ?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> LastMall: yes
[03:23] <ReyDelSillon> idleone. any ieas where i can start looking for such a tool?
[03:24] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: it doesn't overwrite windows by default, you made a mistake during the partition setup and you shouldn' be using beta software with important data
[03:24] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, ubuntu is not aggresive when it comes to formatting. it did ask you if you wanted to and you accepted, probably without reading before hand... Windows users tend to just hit next...
[03:24] <ReyDelSillon> if i can recsue part of the files i would be happy.
[03:24] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: try google
[03:24] <ReyDelSillon> no no. i was carefull not messing with the partition.
[03:25] <ReyDelSillon> im trying to remember what could have been gone wrong.
[03:25] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  for a free app, look at http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[03:25] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: well, if you can reproduce this behaviour file a bug report
[03:25] <IdleOne> ReyDelSillon, search for file recovery tools
[03:25] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: but I highly suspect you made an error
[03:26] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon with alot of luck you could use that and find the old partition and restore it maybe.
[03:26] <ReyDelSillon> yeah i probably did. just dont call me a un-reading windows user :P
[03:26] <dystopianray> LastMall: the partition is not lost, it has been formatted
[03:27] <LastMall> i've formatted and then restored the previous partition before.
[03:27] <ReyDelSillon> how lastmall?
[03:29] <dystopianray> ReyDelSillon: to start with, unmount the partition and don't write anything to it
[03:29] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:29] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:29] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon testdisk should be able to do it if anything can.  I have paid app I'd normally use.
[03:30] <Ace2016> ReyDelSillon: this looks good http://www.z-a-recovery.com/unformat-tutorial.htm
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> i gotta go. my wife is waiting. I BE BACK
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> im taking notes of the names
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> and files
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> and such
[03:30] <ReyDelSillon> thanks
[03:30] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  I have this http://www.recovermyfiles.com/recover-my-files-screenshot.php
[03:31] <dystopianray> Ace2016: that app seems to only recover images unless you buy it
[03:31] <Ace2016> oh wait a sec
[03:32] <Ace2016> if he is in linux now and the recovery apps run on linux...
[03:32] <Ace2016> i mean the recovery apps run in windows...
[03:32] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  its' FastFormatRecover I've had success with.  But not everytime by any means.  Its a case by case thing. Depends on lots of factors.
[03:32] <gils> have there been no updates today yet/?
[03:32] <Ace2016> won't he have to reinstall windows?
[03:32] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or use wine
[03:32] <dystopianray> Ace2016: or put the disk in another machine
[03:32] <Ace2016> dystopianray: good idea
[03:33] <Ace2016> another machine is best option
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: do you hve to purchase it to use it's functionality?
[03:33] <LastMall> dystopianray  recovermyfiles ?  you bet.
[03:33] <Ace2016> i wish i could recover my files, i have got to stop running dban when i format my drives
[03:33] <LastMall> dystopianray  testdisk is free tho http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: heh, he's not going to like that i can imagine
[03:33] <dystopianray> LastMall: I thought testdisk only recovers the partition table?
[03:33] <ViennaLi2ux> openvpn is missing in feisty repository ???
[03:34] <LastMall> all they're doing is finding a previous partition and restoring it/its information
[03:34] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: it's there
[03:34] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: in universe
[03:34] <ViennaLi2ux> really .. wait ill check again
[03:34] <dystopianray> LastMall: it can restore the filesystem too?
[03:35] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: i have at.ubuntu.... feisty universe in my sources.list but there is no openvpn .. maybe at mirror is not synced?
[03:36] <LastMall> dystopianray  yeah, everything.  just like you never did the most recent format. But its case by case and doesn't work everytime.  But if/when it works it sure beats trying to recover individual files.
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: i mean mirror for Austriy - AT
[03:36] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: have you run apt-get update?
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: yes without problems
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: what universe url do you use
[03:36] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: tell me yours and i will update and look again
[03:37] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:37] <aaroncampbell> That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.  What can I do to get rid of it?
[03:37] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: I don't have feisty
[03:37] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: I saw it here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/openvpn
[03:37] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: ohhh :-)
[03:37] <ViennaLi2ux> okay i will try other mirror wait
[03:38] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: you can download the deb from that site
[03:38] <LastMall> ReyDelSillon  what you'd need is a live cd I imagine. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Livecd
[03:38] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: well knowing me i would just compile something, and use checkinstall to make a package, give it the same name as the package you want to remove and allow it to try and install, see if it displaces the one you want to remove, then uninstall the replacement
[03:39] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: LOL at.ubuntu is NOT complete !!! with de.ubuntu i can now install openvpn
[03:40] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: what country is at?
[03:40] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: wow...I wouldn't really know where to start on that
[03:40] <aaroncampbell> Unfortunately, it is looking more and more like I need to switch to Fedora.  It seems that a LOT more companies support .rpm than .deb :|
[03:41] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: you can install rpms on ubuntu
[03:41] <ROnewbie> crimsun: are you around ?
[03:41] <dystopianray> !alien
[03:41] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:41] <crimsun> ROnewbie: yes
[03:41] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray: that didn't work on this rpm
[03:41] <ROnewbie> I could use some help with my audio, I'm struggling with it for about 2 weeks now
[03:41] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: really?
[03:41] <ROnewbie> in feisty
[03:42] <ROnewbie> but unfortunately I have to leave right now, be back in 2-3 hours
[03:42] <ROnewbie> crimsun: can I still find you here ?
[03:42] <aaroncampbell> dystopianray: well, that's not true...it "worked" (my printer worked), but it had a similar problem...it acted "stuck" and I couldn't get any updates until I removed it
[03:42] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: don't go to fedora, their repos were in a mess
[03:42] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: i think they still are
[03:43] <LastMall> i'm liking mepis alot
[03:43] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: well, I'm going to be stuck with no chioce.  I've been functioning without a printer since Friday, and I've had no help from any of the channels here...I don't know where else to go.  The only package I have to install on my own (this printer package) is offered as an RPM
[03:43] <ROnewbie> crimsun: so will you still be here in about 2,5 hours ?
[03:44] <sharperguy> erm I have a minor confizzlement
[03:44] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: so convert it to a deb using alien
[03:45] <Ace2016> whats the name of the printer and package name
[03:45] <lazka> dystopianray: at is austria...
[03:45] <Ace2016> confizzlement????
[03:45] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: at = Austria --> Center Europe (Vienna is Capitol)
[03:45] <sharperguy> The restriced manager says the nVidia binary driver, and the nVidia binary _legacy_ driver are installed and enabled
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I tried...it "worked" (my printer worked), but it had a similar problem...it acted "stuck" and I couldn't get any updates until I removed it
[03:45] <sharperguy> how is that possible?
[03:45] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: oh of course and I know where austria is
[03:45] <crimsun> ROnewbie: I'm here /now/ . I can't speak for in 2,5 hours, since I'm traveling.
[03:45] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: its south of germany and east of switzerland :-)
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Konica Minolta 2430DL
[03:45] <sharperguy> besides my card shouldnt need the legacy driver
[03:45] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: yes I am familiar with european geography just not all the country codes
[03:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: package: magicolor2430dl
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: where are you from?
[03:46] <ROnewbie> crimsun: well, at least I'll try
[03:46] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: australia
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: uh nice ...
[03:46] <ROnewbie> crimsun: thanks anyway
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: whats the countrycode of australia by the way`?
[03:46] <dystopianray> ViennaLi2ux: au
[03:46] <ViennaLi2ux> dystopianray: ah right ...
[03:48] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: you could compile the driver from source http://www.openprinting.org/download/printing/konicaminolta/
[03:48] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I tried....that's what I'm getting this error with
[03:49] <aaroncampbell> Quote: That's unfortunately a package that I built from a .tar.gz that had a /debian dir...However, I get the same error if I try to remove or purge that package.
[03:49] <finalbeta> Omg, in 2 minutes I crashed firefox twice, and now Rhythmbox.
[03:50] <finalbeta> Jeez, this is horrible.
[03:50] <aaroncampbell> I tried to build it into a .deb like this: sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b
[03:51] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: so its installed and not removable
[03:51] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: and i'm guessing its not woking since you want to remove it
[03:51] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: that's the error I gave that started all this:
[03:51] <aaroncampbell> Every time I try to update, I get this error E: The package magicolor2430dl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[03:52] <aaroncampbell> When I try to remove, I get the same error
[03:52] <aaroncampbell> When I try to purge, I get Errors were encountered while processing: magicolor2430dl
[03:53] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: what do you mean you can't find the archive for it?
[03:53] <aaroncampbell> That's the error...moe *I* as in me, but *I* as in the program that was running (apt-get)
[03:54] <aaroncampbell> s/moe/not
[03:54] <aaroncampbell> I have no Idea how I typed moe instead of not...
[03:55] <Ace2016>   do you still have the deb file you made from the rpm?
[03:55] <Ace2016> reinstall from that
[03:55] <aaroncampbell> I don't, but I could rebuild it real quick...I still have the rpm
[03:55] <Ace2016> then do that and install it, then remove it, that should work
[03:59] <noget> hey there could anybody tell me how i would make ubuntu bootable again, after i installed winXP on another partition on the same laptop?
[03:59] <Pici> !grub
[03:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:00] <Pici> noget: See the link above
[04:00] <noget> oi, tanks alot :D
[04:05] <dystopianray> noget: basically you just chroot in from the livecd and run $ sudo grub-install --no-floppy /dev/blah
[04:06] <dystopianray> noget: replacing /dev/blah with the devic you want to install grub on
[04:13] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: did it work?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:23] <sponge_bob>  I still have to type in 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' after the computer boots to get my wireless up
[04:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: so it works?
[04:23] <sponge_bob>  I am just wondering if there is a way to have this automated
[04:23] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: put 'ndiswrapper' on a new line in /etc/modules
[04:23] <sponge_bob> yes the wireless now works
[04:24] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: sorry, got called away from my desk right after I ran the install command...checking now
[04:24] <BluesKaj> what about fstab
[04:24] <BluesKaj> what about fstab ?
[04:24] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, but I now I have to type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper in console everytime I want my wireless up
[04:25] <sponge_bob> ok
[04:25] <BluesKaj> oops , repeating myself ...in my old age
[04:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: yes I know, so put 'ndiswrapper' on a new line in /etc/modules
[04:25] <gils> have there been no updates today?
[04:25] <sponge_bob> ok
[04:25] <dystopianray> sponge_bob: i would have told you that earlier but you disappeared
[04:25] <slytherin> BluesKaj: what about it? what is your question?
[04:25] <sponge_bob> dystopianray, no worry....I really appreciate your help
[04:26] <BluesKaj> ndiswrapper in fstab ?
[04:26] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Actually, it looks like it may have installed ok this time...maybe I don't need to remove it. How can I check to make sure it has no problems?
[04:27] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: fstab has nothing to do with kernel modules
[04:27] <gils> where have all the updates gone????
[04:27] <dystopianray> gils: when did you last recieve an update?
[04:27] <gils> not since yesterday afternoon?
[04:27] <slytherin> gils: what was the package that you updated last?
[04:28] <dystopianray> gils: that isn't a very long time, there probably haven't been any updates, feisty is approaching release
[04:28] <noget> could anybody tell me how to remove/uninstall a program installed with the ./install command?
[04:28] <BluesKaj> kernel module = devices as well then
[04:28] <slytherin> noget: what is ./install? never heard of it.
[04:28] <dystopianray> noget: /usr/bin/install ?
[04:28] <noget> slytherin: in installed matlab from dvd with that command
[04:28] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: which fstab has nothing to do with
[04:29] <aaroncampbell> noget: that would be something that depends on the package...since ./install means you ran a  script supplied by that package
[04:29] <BluesKaj> it comes with some self extracting deb files
[04:29] <gils> yes i figured its reaching that plateau.....i am not sure the last update was. I had the .15 kernel modules and then i think i had an update for the update manager
[04:29] <slytherin> gils: Then it is fine. I don't know if there has been an update after that.
[04:29] <noget> aaroncampbell: ok
[04:29] <gils> cool
[04:30] <dystopianray> gils: you can see all the updates here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html
[04:30] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: what do you mean check to make sure it has no problems?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> dystopianray, it's odd cuz someone was giving that advice here recently about wireless configs
[04:30] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: print a test page
[04:30] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: well that shouldn't have involved fstab
[04:30] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: I just wanted to see that it was properly installed, and not "stuck" again
[04:30] <gils> i sure am glad they fixed that nasty 14 kernel....holly moses...i had for a second considered rebooting into my rarely visited XP partition
[04:31] <BluesKaj> okok , i'm not arguing with you , lighten up will you
[04:31] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: There was something someone had me run before that listed 1 package as not properly installed...I'm looking through history to see if I recognize it
[04:31] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: hey i'm not arguing either, just saying that fstab is something else entirely :S
[04:31] <kothz> Hrm - anyone see a whack of unauthenticated packages in the feisty update list this morning?
[04:31] <Ace2016> aaroncampbell: do apt-get update, you said that running it before gave an error, if its installed properly then the update might be fine
[04:31] <gils> has anyone here ever gotten a sony Minidisc working in ubuntu? with the sony software
[04:31] <sharperguy> whats the deal with feisty-commercial at the moment?
[04:32] <dystopianray> gils: software might work with wine
[04:32] <BluesKaj> well, why don't you tell me then , dystopianray?
[04:32] <BluesKaj> what is fstab supposed to do?
[04:32] <slytherin> gils: mini disc or mini disc player?
[04:32] <dystopianray> !fstab
[04:32] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:33] <slytherin> BluesKaj: fstab provides mount points for different devices/partitions (internal mostly)
[04:33] <gils> MD player/recorder. You know the Sony MD.....what am i the only person over 30 here :-)
[04:33] <dystopianray> gils: what is the software called?
[04:33] <gils> Sony sonicstage
[04:33] <slytherin> gils: Doesn't Rhythmbox support it?
[04:33] <gils> nope.
[04:33] <gils> nevermind.
[04:34] <dystopianray> gils: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1701
[04:34] <BluesKaj> thx , slytherin
[04:34] <slytherin> all Sony softwares s**k bigtime
[04:34] <dystopianray> slytherin: would need atrac3 support i imagine
[04:35] <slytherin> dystopianray: That, when rhythmbox at least identifies the player. And By the way, I don't think ATTRAC3 existed when Sony started MD players.
[04:35] <dystopianray> slytherin: I thought atrac3 was what made MD possible?
[04:36] <dystopianray> slytherin: oh, atrac1
[04:36] <slytherin> dystopianray: Don't think so. Not sure anyway.
[04:36] <dystopianray> slytherin: according to wikipedia
[04:36] <gils> ATRAC3 was an improvement of the ATRAC codec both developed by Sony
[04:37] <`sam`> what are MD are they like mini dvd's?
[04:37] <gils> i have been using MD and ATRAC for over 15 years now
[04:37] <dystopianray> `sam`: they're like mini dvd-ram, they have a plastic enclosure, they're from 1991
[04:37] <gils> sam: they are like mini dvds in a hard shell....was very popular in europe during mid 90's
[04:37] <gils> and asia
[04:38] <`sam`> ok yeah i've seen those before
[04:38] <BluesKaj> see this is what turns ppl off computers ...files and executions of those files don't use terms that ppl can understand ...why wouldn't the file be called 'mntd partitons&drives"...fstab tells new users nothing
[04:38] <dystopianray> there is an atrac3 patch for ffmpeg floating around on ffmpeg's mailing list
[04:38] <dystopianray> to allow playback of atrac3 content on linux
[04:38] <`sam`> does anybody know much about mini-dvd's? can you use those in anything besides the camcorder your recrod them with?
[04:39] <gils> oh yes. ATRAC3 compatibility has been available in linux for quite some time.....
[04:39] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: most of the naming conventations date back to the 70s and 80s from original unix implementations
[04:39] <gils> that is not my problem...i need to interface my player with linux..///
[04:39] <dystopianray> gils: it has been?
[04:39] <dystopianray> gils: I thought it was one of those crazy proprietary formats that nothing but sony's software could play?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> to me it sounds deliberately arcane ...that's my rant for the day :)
[04:40] <gils> no man i remember downloading old Atrac ACM codecs for back in windows 98
[04:40] <dystopianray> `sam`: open your dvd-rom drive it should have a smaller circle within the larger one that is the same size as a mini-dvd
[04:40] <`sam`> oh cool, i've seen that but never knew i mini-dvd's would work in it
[04:40] <gils> ATRAC is a great codec. sony still use it
[04:41] <gils> Sam: its not exactly a mini-dvd. its not the same thing.
[04:41] <dystopianray> gils: they only use it becuase they own it
[04:41] <slytherin> dystopianray: he he, how many crazy proprietary formats exist today that can't be played with Free software. ;-)
[04:42] <dystopianray> slytherin: wma3, realmedia, qualcomm voice
[04:42] <gils> well ofcourse they use it becuase the own it. that doesnt say much.
[04:42] <gils> the good thing about ATRAC and ATRAC3 is that at low bit rates they sound far superior then most things i have heard
[04:43] <cypherdelic> Please Help:
[04:43] <cypherdelic> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[04:43] <cypherdelic>   wengophone: Hngt ab: libqt4-core (>= 4.2.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[04:43] <cypherdelic>               Hngt ab: libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[04:43] <cypherdelic> E: Kaputte Pakete
[04:43] <cypherdelic> how to install wengophone in feisty
[04:44] <slytherin> dystopianray: I think ffmpeg now supports wma/wmv
[04:44] <gils> i have gone through several mp3 players.....playing oggs, aac, etc....i have yet to come across a compressed format that sounds as good as ATRAC
[04:44] <dystopianray> slytherin: it has supported wma1 and 2 for years, but wma3 it does not
[04:44] <dystopianray> slytherin: but it does support wmv3/vc-1 now :)
[04:44] <dystopianray> although wmv is only good for porn
[04:44] <gils> but ofcourse to use atrac on a sony portable player you are stuck with their crappy software
[04:44] <Trewas> there's a listening test for few codecs at 128kbps in http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html and atrac3 is the last of the tested codecs/encoders
[04:45] <concept10> cypherdelic, do you have those dependencies installed?
[04:45] <slytherin> cypherdelic: any specific need for wengophone?
[04:45] <slytherin> dystopianray: I haven't yet come across a good quality video in WMV. May be the encoders s**k
[04:45] <concept10> to, uh, maybe use it?
[04:45] <aaroncampbell> Ace2016: Thanks for the help, updates work, and so does my printer
[04:45] <aaroncampbell> I really appreciate it
[04:45] <dystopianray> slytherin: they're probably just very low bitrates designed for easy online distribution or streaming
[04:46] <gils> the atrac comparison to 128 mp3 is at 132kbps which in my opinion is far superior then eve ogg files at much higher rates
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Welcome to #ubuntu+1 - the support channel for feisty | For dapper/edgy support, see #ubuntu | Release candidate needs testing - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023579.html | Release date is the week of April 19 | Kernel is fixed - Update to -15 if you havent already
[04:46] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: what did you change?
[04:47] <concept10> This release isnt close to done
[04:47] <`sam`> i don't see anything different in the topic now
[04:47] <dystopianray> concept10: what is wrong with it?
[04:47] <slytherin> `sam`: +1
[04:49] <concept10> I bet anyone, _anyone_ that when people start upgrading edgy->feisty, there will be at a minimum 2000 complaints in the news, blogosphere, etc
[04:49] <dm> i love how all the nvidia "HOW  TO " guides for feisty are just like " just enable it in the repos" too bad that DOESNT WORK FOR ALL OF US
[04:50] <shirish> ok guys what is MTA & how do I configure it?
[04:50] <slytherin> concept10: complaints about what?
[04:50] <shirish> MTA = (Mail Transport Agent) is all I know about it
[04:50] <concept10> slytherin, botched upgrades
[04:50] <slytherin> shirish: MTA is mail transfer agent. May be you need to install postfix or sendmail
[04:50] <slytherin> concept10: I haven't seen any.
[04:50] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to view info about a .deb without installing it?  (stuff like who compiled it, or notes on it, etc)
[04:50] <shirish> slytherin: hi there, cool evening
[04:51] <dystopianray> aaroncampbell: try dpkg -I blah.deb
[04:51] <concept10> aaroncampbell, apt-cache show <package>
[04:51] <shirish> slytherin: ok which of the two is  better, reliable, un-intrusive?
[04:51] <dystopianray> shirish: i like sendmail, but it is a monster
[04:52] <finalbeta> For crying out load, Openoffice still crashes when pasting from firefox. This was reported months ago.
[04:52] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only on feisty?
[04:52] <finalbeta> 5thnx crash, 3th app crashing today.
[04:52] <concept10> slytherin, You havent seen any?  You have'nt been looking
[04:52] <slytherin> shirish: sendmail is hard to configure I think. But I haven't used any of them much
[04:52] <finalbeta> dystopianray: on feisty yes.
[04:52] <dystopianray> finalbeta: what were you pasting? text? graphics?
[04:53] <finalbeta> both
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only occurs with firefox?
[04:53] <finalbeta> half a page, 2 images, text around it
[04:53] <finalbeta> dystopianray: as far as I can see, yes.
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: does this happen with specific versions of the software?
[04:53] <dystopianray> finalbeta: when did it first start happening?
[04:54] <finalbeta> It didn't happen the second time I tried it.
[04:54] <`Matir> finalbeta, can you provide a URL on which it occurs?  I just tested with no problems
[04:54] <finalbeta> dystopianray: I just did it, so it's the first time OO crashed, Flash made firefox crash 2 times already, and rhythmbox crashed once oin the last half hour.
[04:54] <finalbeta> http://www.fitness-island.com/oefeningen/bovenbuik1.shtml
[04:54] <dystopianray> finalbeta: have you tried running memtest?
[04:55] <dystopianray> finalbeta: repeated unexplained crashes sounds like a hardware problem
[04:55] <shirish> slytherin: ok have it installed, but the configuration seems to be hard to understand.
[04:55] <slytherin> finalbeta: don't know about FF and OOo, but rhythmbox hasn't crashed for me for ages. :-)
[04:55] <slytherin> shirish: installed what? postfix or sendmail?
[04:56] <shirish> slytherin: postfix, I am stuck at which type of configuation, it gives me 4 options
[04:56] <dystopianray> shirish: if you want to see hard to understand configuration try sendmail :)
[04:56] <slytherin> shirish: Will catch you later. Going home from office, don't want to get caught in rain. :-)
[04:56] <finalbeta> dystopianray: it's not my memory. flash 9 crashes firefox on a regular basis because flash wants to talk to card 0,0 and if that one doesn't exist, it goes nutty, I have no sound and after a whiole it crashes firefox. Rhythmbox crashes on specific songs for me. I reported a few, but gave up since it got ignored. It's due to gstreamer that one. Can't actually use GStreamer because of a known bug that lags video on my chipset. so bleh. b
[04:56] <finalbeta> ugbugsbugs
[04:56] <shirish> slytherin: sure, although don't think rain will be there.
[04:57] <dystopianray> finalbeta: ok, can you provide samples of these songs which cause the crashes? can you legally redistribute them?
[04:57] <shirish> dystopianray: can u help me in configuring postfix? I just want to have an MTA so I can send outgoing mails from this stand-along computer
[04:57] <dystopianray> finalbeta: is it only rythmbox that crashes?
[04:57] <dystopianray> shirish: sorry I don't know how, I've only used sendmail
[04:57] <finalbeta> dystopianray: not legally.
[04:57] <finalbeta> dystopianray: firefox is all I use to play them.
[04:57] <finalbeta> Ehm, Rhythmbox
[04:58] <shirish> anybody here knows postfix?
[04:58] <dystopianray> shirish: what 4 options is it giving you?
[04:58] <shirish> dystopianray: in a moment please
[04:58] <dystopianray> finalbeta: what video chipset do you have?
[04:59] <finalbeta> dystopianray: here how to crash Rhyhmbox fast, got multimedia keys on the keyboard, press next 10 times and then go back a few songs really fast. crash guarantied.
[04:59] <shirish> dystopianray: its actually 5 here we go
[04:59] <dystopianray> shirish: if you're thinking of pasting them in here, don't. pastebin them instead
[05:00] <dystopianray> finalbeta: only happens with multimedia keys? or if you do the skips manually?
[05:00] <shirish> dystopianray: no configuration, (cancel that) , internet site (cancel that) , internet with smarthost (don't know) , satellite system (cancel that) , local only (don't know) I guess
[05:00] <dystopianray> shirish: what do you mean 'cancel that' ?
[05:00] <LordKeiden> finalbeta, if you could be confident that you would get it back, a legal way to get the file to someone is to send it to them and delete it from you system. That is not redistrubution, it is giving it away.  Kind of a pita, but it keeps things legit. This is only true if the file only exists digitally. HTH
[05:01] <shirish> dystopianray: I mean i think they should not be considered, although those are the 5 options.
[05:01] <dystopianray> LordKeiden: are you serious?
[05:01] <finalbeta> dystopianray: pressing next fast using Rhythmbox buttons doesn't crash crash it right away, after pressing it twice Rhythmbox now uses 100% cpu and the interface is frozen.
[05:01] <dystopianray> shirish: what do you want to do with your MTA?
[05:02] <dystopianray> finalbeta: are there any errors relating to it in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[05:02] <shirish> dystopianray: just use it so I can send bugs to debian using their tool reportbug, when I asked on the debian channel , they said it just needs an MTA not a email client
[05:02] <derek_> Hi
[05:02] <finalbeta> dystopianray: fixme:dsound:DSOUND_MixOne problem with underrun detection (mixlen=10368 < primary_done=14824)
[05:02] <dystopianray> finalbeta: that is from wine
[05:03] <finalbeta> dystopianray: ah, then no.
[05:03] <dystopianray> finalbeta: have you filed a bug report on launchpad about this rythmbox problem?
[05:03] <derek_> What is that GUI tool of ATI configuration? Where I can set the gamma values etc. of the three colours using sliders?
[05:03] <dystopianray> finalbeta: is this crash separate from the files that crash it when you play them?
[05:03] <derek_> I had it installed and then removed, now I forgot its name
[05:04] <shirish> dystopianray: any idea m8 what I should configure?
[05:04] <finalbeta> dystopianray: Yes, the crashes when switching songs fast are in-dependant from the crashes on specific songs. i've reported crashes on specific songs before.
[05:05] <dm> how do you stop the X server in feisty?
[05:05] <finalbeta> dystopianray: but if you use Rhytmbox, you can make it crash in several ways and make it do really weird stuff if you use the plugins. I'm sure most of the problems are known and ignored.
[05:05] <dm> nm\
[05:05] <finalbeta> They happen to common.
[05:05] <dystopianray> shirish: i think you need 'satellite system'
[05:05] <derek_> What is that GUI tool of ATI configuration? Where I can set the gamma values etc. of the three colours using sliders?
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: why 'satellite system' ?
[05:06] <dystopianray> shirish: becuase you're not running a real mail server you're only forwarding some email to another smtp server
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: right ok,
[05:06] <dystopianray> shirish: you won't be recieving mail, only sending
[05:06] <shirish> dystopianray: yup cool
[05:07] <dystopianray> derek_: it might appear in /var/log/dpkg.log if you uninstalled it recently
[05:07] <derek_> I got it. It is called "fglrx-control"
[05:08] <aaroncampbell> thanks dystopianray ...dpkg -I is exactly what I needed
[05:10] <shirish> dystopianray: now I am stuck at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15970/
[05:10] <shirish> I would be using gmail.com so should it be smtp.gmail.com?
[05:10] <dystopianray> "When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination."
[05:11] <dystopianray> shirish: so I imagine you do not need to provide a relayhost
[05:11] <derek_> how to scan for wi-fi networks?
[05:11] <derek_> the command
[05:11] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok
[05:11] <dystopianray> derek_: iwlist eth1 scan, replacing eth1 with whatever the interface is
[05:12] <derek_> thanks
[05:12] <dystopianray> shirish: I think that's only for when you want to relay mail to another real mail server that you run, like relaying from a workstation to the company's real mail server in a business environment
[05:13] <shirish> dystopianray: right, nothing like that here (thankfully) but good to know it can be (or is) used in enterprise environments also.
[05:14] <derek_> it said No scan results without any delay
[05:14] <derek_> as if it did not scan
[05:14] <dystopianray> shirish: yes it is, apparently over 10% of all mail servers online use postfix
[05:15] <shirish> dystopianray: cool :p
[05:15] <dystopianray> shirish: sendmail is by far the most popular though, it's incredibly powerful, but can be a nightmware to configure
[05:15] <dystopianray> shirish: postfix is based on sendmail
[05:16] <shirish> dystopianray: they just need to have a nice GUI and some good site from where one get a once-over of the GUI (atleast for guys with standalone machines).
[05:16] <derek_> dystopianray,
[05:16] <dystopianray> derek_: are you sure you picked the right interface?
[05:17] <dystopianray> shirish: sendmail's configuration is so complicated that you make an initial config file that is run through m4 to generate another 2000+ line config which is the actual config that sendmail uses
[05:18] <derek_> yes
[05:18] <shirish> dystopianray: lol, it seems we did a mistake there, it needed a relay, posting u the error message in pastebin
[05:18] <dystopianray> derek_: sounds like a driver bug or something
[05:18] <derek_> dystopianray, I saw it using iwconfig
[05:18] <dystopianray> derek_: iwconfig can scan?
[05:18] <derek_> scan? I don't know . I just do "iwconfig" and it lists.
[05:18] <shirish> dystopianray: please look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15971/
[05:19] <dystopianray> derek_: oh you mean you saw the interface in iwconfig
[05:19] <derek_> yes
[05:19] <shirish> dystopianray: apparently, the reportbug application sends the bug-report also to ubuntu-bugs
[05:19] <shirish> dystopianray: and then relays from there
[05:19] <dystopianray> derek_: is this a laptop? does it have one of those keyboard buttons that you need to use to enable it?
[05:19] <dystopianray> shirish: oh i see
[05:20] <derek_> dystopianray, yes , laptop. And that button is ON, and the light is glowing
[05:20] <dystopianray> shirish: I've not used reportbut, i'd not have known
[05:20] <dystopianray> derek_: what wireless chipset is it?
[05:20] <derek_> Broadcom
[05:20] <dystopianray> derek_: are you using bcm43xx or ndiswrapper?
[05:20] <shirish> dystopianray: that's cool, even I am just finding things what work or don't . I do not expect that u know every small application :)
[05:20] <derek_> bcm43xx
[05:20] <shirish> dystopianray: btw, its reportbug not reportbug (lol)
[05:21] <dystopianray> shirish: sorry typo
[05:21] <dystopianray> derek_: try using ndiswrapper, that works much better than bcm43xx
[05:21] <Patizivs> derek: Which Broadcam card you hava?
[05:21] <derek_> dystopianray, for that I need to uninstall bcm43xx first?
[05:21] <valehru> what repo is deluge-torrent in?  Has it been pulled?
[05:21] <dystopianray> derek_: no just blacklist it and unload the module
[05:22] <valehru> derek_, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:22] <dystopianray> valehru: packages.ubuntu.com says it's only in edgy-backports
[05:22] <valehru> derek_, add the line blacklist bcm43xx
[05:23] <valehru> dystopianray, hmm...now I know I had it running perfectly on feisty before I reinstalled....
[05:23] <derek_> Patizivs, BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller
[05:23] <dystopianray> valehru: it might be packages.ubuntu.com that is wrong though, it doesn't seem to have a lot of recent feisty packages in it's listings
[05:23] <minimec> derek_, dystopianray: try iwlist *yourinterface* scanning ;) iwconfig doesn't scan, but iwlist does ...
[05:24] <Patizivs> derek_:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285809
[05:24] <shirish> dystopianray: ok I am at it again, I did the dpkg-reconfigure postfix which bought up the GUI again (thankfully) now I am at the relayhost. How do I find out about ubuntu. bugs thing?
[05:24] <dystopianray> minimec: i suggested iwlist blah scan but it returned an error
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, did you blacklist the bcm43xx?  and did you add ndiswrapper to the modules?
[05:24] <derek_> valehru, no
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, and did you reboot?
[05:24] <valehru> derek_, they have to be done for it to work
[05:24] <dystopianray> shirish: well i assume that whatever told you to set ubuntu as the relay also told you what host to use
[05:24] <shirish> dystopianray: we do have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15971/ to go with
[05:24] <derek_> why doesn't the bcm43xx work?
[05:25] <dystopianray> derek_: it's a reverse engineered driver that still has many problems
[05:25] <shirish> dystopianray: I am noob at this as u might have guessed
[05:25] <minimec> dystopianray: Hmmm ... Maybe your wlan driver doesn't support scanning ...
[05:25] <dystopianray> minimec: it's not me it's derek_
[05:25] <valehru> derek_, it does work, but it is half the speed of what ndiswrapper is
[05:25] <dystopianray> minimec: he has bcm43xx and now valehru is taking him through using ndiswrapper instead
[05:25] <valehru> derek_, thats why we recommend ndiswrapper
[05:25] <minimec> dystopianray: I think the atmel driver does not support scanning.
[05:26] <Patizivs> derek_:bcm43xx also needs firmware
[05:26] <derek_> ok
[05:26] <valehru> derek_, I have that same card!
[05:26] <minimec> dystopianray: ok
[05:26] <derek_> I have blacklisted bcm43xx
[05:26] <derek_> now ?
[05:26] <valehru> derek_, ok, next is to add ndiswrapper to the modules
[05:26] <shirish> dystopianray: any ideas?
[05:26] <dystopianray> valehru: that other guy earlier i was helping, his card worked fine with ndiswrapper from the repos
[05:26] <derek_> valehru, tell how. And don't I first need to install ndiswrapper? ;)
[05:26] <dystopianray> shirish: not really, does reportbug have a man page?
[05:26] <shirish> dystopianray: lemme check
[05:26] <Patizivs> derek_: tak a look at that site - there is great RTFM
[05:27] <valehru> derek_, sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[05:27] <valehru> ndiswrapper-common
[05:27] <dystopianray> awesome, feisty now has the latest intel graphics driver
[05:27] <dystopianray> with modesetting
[05:27] <shirish> dystopianray: yup it has a man page, reading it now
[05:28] <valehru> dystopianray, good stuff...I still prefer compiling it though for some reason, makes me more secure that I have the latest version of that in particular..
[05:28] <Patizivs> dystopianray: What changes does this new intel driver has?
[05:28] <dystopianray> Patizivs: native modesetting, randr1.2
[05:28] <Lin> hi all!!
[05:29] <dystopianray> Patizivs: native modesetting means no more 915resolution
[05:29] <derek_> valehru, installed ndiswrapper-common
[05:29] <LordKeiden> dystopianray, yes i am. I have done it before. for development purposes, I'll do lots of stuff I would normally not do. If the developer needs something I can live without, and I fell as if I can trust them, sure I would.
[05:30] <dystopianray> LordKeiden: are you sure it's actually legal though?
[05:30] <Patizivs> dystopianray: How much do you get FPS with glxgears (and what is your computer spec?)
[05:30] <Lin> I have installed feisty using fai, it worked flawlessly, but when starting gnome-session the session takes 5  minutes to start, then it's start as usual. How can I debug the session (xsession erros dont give any output related). There is any way to raise the verbosity?
[05:30] <dystopianray> Patizivs: not on my laptop right now, but ~800 fps and ~1200 with INTEL_BATCH=1
[05:31] <valehru> derek_, ok, next add the module ...  sudo gedit /etc/modules   add the line ndiswrapper
[05:31] <dystopianray> Patizivs: glxgears is not a benchmark though
[05:31] <Lin> I have a lot of dbus-daemon processes running.
[05:31] <Patizivs> dystopianray: yes I know, what s intel_batch=1
[05:31] <dystopianray> Patizivs: that's on a inspiron 6000, i915 video, 1GB DDR, 1.73Ghz pentium-m
[05:32] <dystopianray> Patizivs: running a 3d application with INTEL_BATCH=1 improves performance
[05:32] <LordKeiden> dystopianray, yes. the issue is really with multiple copies. in my method, it is actually a transfer, so unless the EULA forbods transfer, the the EULA is still preserved. For music, it works fine.
[05:32] <derek_> valehru, done
[05:32] <dystopianray> Patizivs: to implement screen rotation support they had to use some hacks that mess with the driver's performance and that variable reverts the app to the previous non-rotatable method
[05:33] <Patizivs> dystopianray: You mean glxgears INTEL_BATCH=1 ?
[05:33] <valehru> derek_, restart the computer fully.  then go to Network settings and check if your interface can been seen.  You should configure it from there.
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: INTEL_BATCH=1 glxgears
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: it's an environment variable
[05:33] <valehru> derek_, come back to me when thats done
[05:33] <Patizivs> dystopianray: Thanks I will try later
[05:33] <dystopianray> Patizivs: it should give youa  significant glxgears boost and also help greatly in any other 3d apps
[05:34] <derek_> valehru, I can see my interface even now
[05:34] <derek_> it says, "roaming enabled"
[05:37] <valehru> derek_, restart anyway...ur still using bcm43xx
[05:37] <derek_> ok, but first I need to download the windows driver for my card, don't I?
[05:38] <valehru> derek_, do you have them on a cd??
[05:38] <dystopianray> valehru: all he has to do is unload the bcm43xx module
[05:38] <derek_> valehru, no, the link that Patizivs gave had
[05:38] <valehru> derek_, download them
[05:38] <derek_> I didn't get any CD
[05:39] <valehru> derek_, then go into the directory and sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[05:39] <derek_> btw, now that I'm going to restart, tell me how I can make the xset commands effects permanent?
[05:39] <derek_> yeah
[05:39] <dystopianray> derek_: you don't need to restart, unload bcm43xx and then load ndiswrapper once you have the windows driver installed
[05:39] <valehru> derek_, then go sudo ndiswrapper -a 14E4:4318 bcmwl5
[05:40] <valehru> then sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[05:40] <derek_> oh
[05:40] <valehru> then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:40] <derek_> *ok
[05:40] <valehru> derek_, you should be done then
[05:41] <valehru> derek_, if you want to repeat any of those steps or note them down in future they are all listed here: http://www.valehru.com/blog/?p=181
[05:41] <valehru> drivers are there as well
[05:41] <derek_> ok
[05:41] <derek_> (can you tell about the xset thing)
[05:42] <shirish> dystopianray: going for dinner, most probably I would make a long post of it (of the whole affair) at ubuntuforums & then perhaps people can figure out a solution for this. there is /etc/reportbug.conf as well as a .reportbugrc so things do look up but would need some tending to do.
[05:43] <shirish> dystopianray: meet u guys back here after dinner, after having written the big post. :)
[05:44] <dystopianray> shirish: ok then, bye
[05:45] <valehru> derek_, xset?
[05:45] <derek_> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[05:45] <derek_> valehru,
[05:45] <derek_> btw, now that I'm going to restart, tell me how I can make the xset commands effects permanent?
[05:46] <valehru> derek_, did you do the ndiswrapper -a ...... commend
[05:46] <dystopianray> derek_: have you put ndiswrapper into /etc/modules ?
[05:46] <valehru> command?
[05:46] <derek_> dystopianray, yes
[05:46] <valehru> then that will load when you reboot
[05:46] <valehru> or boot should I say
[05:46] <derek_> valehru, yes, like xset +fp /home/derek/.fonts/bitmap , xset fp rehash
[05:47] <valehru> to read the fonts?
[05:47] <valehru> never done it before..
[05:48] <derek_> yes
[05:48] <derek_> otherwise it is just for that session
[05:48] <derek_> anyway, now reboot is necessary?
[05:48] <valehru> well...
[05:48] <valehru> go sudo ifdown eth12
[05:48] <valehru> go sudo ifdown eth1
[05:48] <valehru> then go sudo ifup eth1
[05:48] <derek_> what is go?
[05:49] <valehru> go = as in = next step = to move ...
[05:49] <derek_> :) ok
[05:49] <derek_> ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
[05:49] <dystopianray> ndiswrapper is wlan
[05:49] <valehru> dystopianray, no.
[05:50] <dystopianray> valehru: since when?
[05:50] <valehru> dystopianray, on mine its eth1
[05:50] <derek_> iwconfig gives no wireless extensions
[05:50] <valehru> dystopianray, always has been
[05:50] <valehru> derek_, reboot just to be on the safeside
[05:50] <dystopianray> valehru: i've only ever seen it as wlan0, although i've not personally used it in years
[05:50] <valehru> then come back
[05:50] <derek_> can't I load the ndiswrapper module without restarting?
[05:50] <valehru> I always find I need to reboot
[05:51] <valehru> ok, go sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:51] <dystopianray> derek_: yes you can do that, a reboot is not necessary
[05:52] <valehru> derek_, paste what ndiswrapper -l gives you.
[05:52] <derek_> phew
[05:52] <derek_> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:52] <valehru> yes
[05:52] <derek_> we should minimise the need to reboot on linux :)
[05:52] <derek_> now iwconfig lists eth1
[05:52] <valehru> ok..
[05:52] <valehru> go sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[05:53] <derek_> that webpage says I need to first disable the wired connection in order for the wireless one to work. Why?
[05:53] <dystopianray> derek_: it's healthy to occasionally reboot to ensure that you still can boot
[05:53] <valehru> can you see any networks?
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> Please fix Bug #85751 before release!!!?
[05:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 85751 in mplayer "Distorted MP3 sound" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85751
[05:53] <valehru> derek_, ignore it.
[05:53] <derek_> dystopianray, ah! I see. That's vital
[05:53] <valehru> derek_, sometimes its necesscery, especially after updates
[05:53] <derek_> valehru, so you mean I can be connected to the ethernet LAN and still access wi-fi?
[05:53] <dystopianray> derek_: that is correct
[05:54] <valehru> derek_, u can use whatever connection you want
[05:54] <valehru> but you must specify the one you wish to use.
[05:54] <derek_> cool
[05:54] <derek_> "specify the one" <-- ??
[05:54] <valehru> You can specify profiles to use in certain situations
[05:54] <valehru> eg, at home I use a wired profile
[05:55] <valehru> in starbucks I use a wifi profile
[05:55] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: probably too late for feisty, will likely be fixed in an updated package after release
[05:55] <derek_> ok
[05:55] <valehru> then you can have various wifi profiles for multiple networks
[05:55] <derek_> what is "Roaming mode enabled"?
[05:55] <dystopianray> derek_: you might want to try network-manager for easy configuration
[05:55] <derek_> is it like Bluetooth ON and visible status?
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  cypherdelic@HaeckFleisch:/usr/bin$ wengophone
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  [ Process PID=9143 runs in 32 bit mode. ]
[05:55] <cypherdelic>  ./qtwengophone: error while loading shared libraries: libFLAC.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> dystopianray: thats a shame, because the bug is many times confirmed; months ago
[05:56] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you don't have libFLAC.so.7
[05:56] <valehru> derek_, it searches all the networks and connects to ones which have no encryption and the strongest signal, thats my take on it...but im prolly wrong, I never use it
[05:56] <derek_> bash: network-manager: command not found  , and also network-manager is already the newest version. ??
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: are you using gnome or kde?
[05:57] <derek_> gnome dystopianray
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: try running 'nm-applet'
[05:57] <derek_> dystopianray, I think it is already running
[05:57] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: cypherdelic@HaeckFleisch:/usr/bin$ ls -la /usr/lib | grep libFLAC.so.7
[05:57] <cypherdelic> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       16 2007-04-15 11:58 libFLAC.so -> libFLAC.so.7.0.0
[05:57] <dystopianray> derek_: ok, you should be able to use it from the system tray to easily connect to wired and wireless networks
[05:58] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: it said something about 32-bit mode, are you running an amd64 system?
[05:58] <valehru> derek_, System => Administration => Network
[05:58] <valehru> personally I just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file, applets be dammed
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:59] <dystopianray> valehru: interfaces can't handle wireless encryption
[05:59] <valehru> umm...yes it can....
[05:59] <valehru> WEP
[05:59] <valehru> ,,
[05:59] <valehru> ..
[05:59] <valehru> ......
[05:59] <dystopianray> valehru: only fools use wep
[05:59] <derek_> dystopianray, it just says "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless"  - both of which are checked.
[05:59] <valehru> derek_, what encryption are you using?
[06:00] <derek_> I don't know.
[06:00] <valehru> WEP perchance?
[06:00] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/cmov/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:00] <valehru> ...
[06:00] <derek_> Right now I'm not in any wi-fi coverage
[06:00] <cypherdelic> strace gave that: dystopianray
[06:00] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: are you trying to runa  32-bit application on 64-bit system?
[06:01] <cypherdelic> nonono dystopianray listen
[06:01] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:01] <cypherdelic> app thinks there is the library
[06:01] <greg_g> Does the new "Restricted Drivers" feature for ATI video cards take into account widescreen LCDs??  The reason I ask is that the default installation method does not work for my Acer AL2016W monitor, it says "input no supported"  I have to use the Mesa drivers for my ATI 9250
[06:01] <cypherdelic> but it is in /usr/lib/
[06:01] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: so you're not running a 64-bit system?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> of course im running a 64bit system but this is not the question
[06:02] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: is this application from the official repos?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> it is compatibleity mode within openwengo
[06:02] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: and wengophone is a 32-bit app?
[06:02] <cypherdelic> no it isnt because official repo doesnt connect to openwengoservers
[06:02] <cypherdelic> Not Connected - Error Occured
[06:03] <cypherdelic> using 2.0.0. rc5 bs
[06:03] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: is this a 32-bit wengophone?
[06:03] <jeroenvrp> I understand Feisty will be postponed, because we have some show stoppers!?
[06:03] <cypherdelic> it is both BAH
[06:03] <cypherdelic> it will work for 32bit and 64bit
[06:03] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: but is it a 32-bit executable?
[06:04] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: probably, RC is not yet released
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> dystopianray: I though it was
[06:04] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you need matching 32-bit libraries for 32-bit apps on 64-bit linux
[06:04] <dystopianray> jeroenvrp: no
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> ok
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> I only had a test RC
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> ok
[06:04] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: which usually involves a chroot
[06:05] <cypherdelic> and what is that strace output for wengophone output?
[06:05] <cypherdelic> open("/usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu/tls/i686/sse2/libFLAC.so.7", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:05] <cypherdelic> it is /usr/lib/libFLAC7....
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: it's trying to open a file that doesn't exist
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: /usr/lib/ contains 64-bit libraries
[06:05] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: they cannot be used by a 32-bit program
[06:06] <cypherdelic> do you know what i have to do? the official repo wengophone does execute too
[06:06] <cypherdelic> dystopianray:
[06:07] <cypherdelic> i assume they need nearly the same libraries
[06:07] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you probably need a 32-bit chroot for wengophone
[06:07] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: or finda  64-bit version of it
[06:08] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: although i'm not sure exactly how to go about setting up a 32-bit chroot
[06:08] <cypherdelic> i got linux32 that should be enough
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: no it's not
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: you still need the actual libraries to run the program with
[06:09] <cypherdelic> hmm
[06:09] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: all linux32 does is trick the application into thinking you have a 32-bit system
[06:09] <cypherdelic> and give them a 32bit librarie backend?
[06:10] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: no, it only changes uname -m output AFAIK
[06:10] <cypherdelic> dystopianray: but i got a folder /usr/lib/lib32/
[06:10] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: what is in it?
[06:11] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: does it have libFLAC ?
[06:11] <cypherdelic> no its /usr/lib32
[06:11] <cypherdelic> no libFLAC :(
[06:12] <cypherdelic> hey can i download that 32bit, but it there, and it will work?
[06:12] <cypherdelic> put
[06:12] <cypherdelic> srysrysry
[06:12] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: i have no idea
[06:13] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: i run x86 on my amd64 machien to avoid all these problems
[06:13] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: just look for the ia32 versions of libraries (and most have them in the repos) and they will work
[06:13] <frying_fish> thats what I do on my system
[06:13] <derek_> thanks ALL
[06:14] <derek_> :)
[06:14] <frying_fish> I couldn't tell you about libflac right now, since that machine is currently in transit.  Although, why on a 64bit system do you need 32bit libflac?
[06:14] <dystopianray> frying_fish: he's trying to runa  32-bit application
[06:14] <zaggynl> !sound
[06:14] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:14] <frying_fish> right, which 32bit app?
[06:14] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: every ia32* from my repos are installed :(
[06:15] <cypherdelic> wengophone
[06:15] <frying_fish> there not a 64bit variant of it then?
[06:15] <cypherdelic> libFLAC.so.7
[06:15] <cypherdelic> no
[06:15] <zaggynl> I don't understand this
[06:15] <zaggynl> No errors, all sliders up, everything un-muted, but I have no sound
[06:15] <zaggynl> checked cable and all that
[06:15] <zaggynl> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :x
[06:15] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: interesting, I'd look at libflac and see if it has a 32bit option there
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: intel-hda?
[06:16] <zaggynl> dystopianray, my disks are from samsung and seagate if that's what you mean
[06:16] <zaggynl> I have an audigy LS soundcard and onboard sound
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: no i mean, do you have intel high definition audio?
[06:16] <dystopianray> zaggynl: both soundcards don't work?
[06:16] <cypherdelic> imw ith intel-hda too i didnt ever experienced that bug
[06:17] <zaggynl> well, I don't get any sound
[06:17] <LoneShadow> zaggynl: does /dev/dsp have right permissions ?
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: which sound card are you using?
[06:17] <cypherdelic> but i got choppy sounds at all if i switch back from suspend-mode
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: is the onboard sound intel-hda ?
[06:17] <zaggynl> I'm using the audigy
[06:17] <zaggynl> Onboard is viaxxxx something
[06:17] <dystopianray> zaggynl: the audigy is not working?
[06:17] <zaggynl> lemme test onboard
[06:18] <frying_fish> alsa might have changed the priority for soundcard, try turning the onboard sound off in the bios
[06:18] <zaggynl> ahah
[06:18] <zaggynl> onboard gives sound
[06:18] <frying_fish> yeah its changed the priorities, if you don't use the onboard sound just turn it off in the bios
[06:18] <zaggynl> hmm
[06:18] <zaggynl> can I do that without rebooting in linux?
[06:18] <frying_fish> no
[06:18] <dystopianray> zaggynl: on the audigy is there a control 'audigy digital/analog output jack' ?
[06:18] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: damn, i wish to only use 64bit apps, but developers dont care, skype isnt available for 64bit and wengophone isnt too :(
[06:19] <zaggynl> dystopianray, in alsamixer?
[06:19] <frying_fish> dystopianray: problem is solved, alsa has the primary card as the onboard.
[06:19] <dystopianray> zaggynl: yes
[06:19] <dystopianray> frying_fish: he said his audigy doesn't work
[06:19] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: sucks.
[06:19] <zaggynl> hum, lots of sliders
[06:19] <dystopianray> zaggynl: it's only a simple toggle
[06:19] <frying_fish> dystopianray: yeah, read his next few lines, the audigy isn't working because alsa is piping the sound to the onboard device, not the audigy
[06:19] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: but i need it, do you have an idea how to pet passed this error with ubuntu feisty:
[06:19] <dystopianray> frying_fish: but his onboard device works
[06:19] <frying_fish> exactly dystopianray
[06:19] <zaggynl> got it
[06:19] <cypherdelic> ./qtwengophone: error while loading shared libraries: libFLAC.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:20] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: without finding a pre-compiled libflac for 32bit (which is probably in the 32bit ubuntu feisty repos) then no
[06:20] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: if you want to run 32-bit applications it's best to use 32-bit ubuntu
[06:21] <dystopianray> cypherdelic: 64-bit has little point unless you have a very specific reason to use it
[06:21] <cypherdelic> can you help me find that pre-compiled libflac?
[06:21] <frying_fish> he only wants to run that 1 32bit app because he can't get a 64bit variant, surely using 64bit for everything else would be better.
[06:21] <zaggynl> dystopianray, no matter what I change it too, no sound, or do I have to save it in some way?
[06:21] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: thats the point
[06:21] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: go to packages.ubuntu.com, find it there, then download the .deb (but don't straight dpkg -i it) do dpkg -x to get the file and move them.
[06:21] <dystopianray> zaggynl: how did you test the onboard sound? just plug the cable into it and it worked?
[06:22] <zaggynl> yep
[06:22] <cypherdelic> cool i will try that and report and came back with the next library :D
[06:22] <frying_fish> zaggynl: its not providing sound as it isn't the primary device, tell the program you are using to play sound to specifically output to the audigy, not alsa default.
[06:22] <zaggynl> hmm
[06:22] <zaggynl> not sure howto do this in rhytmbox
[06:22] <zaggynl> :)
[06:23] <frying_fish> or the simplest option is simply to reboot the machine, and go into the bios and turn off the onboard sound
[06:23] <frying_fish> then you won't get the problem of the cards swapping around willy nilly on boot
[06:23] <zaggynl> true
[06:23] <zaggynl> my audigy doesn't support multiple channels by hardware, I'm wondering if I can use my audigy for sound playback and my via onboard for recording
[06:23] <frying_fish> which audigy card is it?
[06:23] <zaggynl> Audigy LS
[06:24] <zaggynl> CA0106
[06:24] <frying_fish> rather old?  does it use emu10k1 as it would prob be able to do it
[06:24] <frying_fish> you could possibly set that up, but then you will want to look into configuring alsa so it always names one card the primary and the other card the secondary, and I can't remember that off the top of my head
[06:24] <dystopianray> zaggynl: i beleive you can make some additions to a file in /etc/modprobe/ and force the cards to be detected in a specific order
[06:24] <Jordan_U> Whenever I play WM or Quicktime videos in gstreamer they are discolored
[06:25] <frying_fish> rhythmbox seems to be pretty poorly made, can't even choose how to do your sound output
[06:25] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: what is the video format of the quicktime video?
[06:25] <zaggynl> yeah, it's dumbed down a bit, oh well
[06:25] <zaggynl> ima go turn off my onboard, thanks for the help so far :)
[06:25] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, I would need to check, but I believe H.264
[06:26] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: do other videos work fine?
[06:26] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: does it only happen with gstreamer?
[06:26] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, Some do some don't, But it is only a gstreamer problem.
[06:27] <Jordan_U> Wow, the "Experience ubuntu.ogg" vid from the examples that come with Ubuntu is discolored also.
[06:28] <zaggynl> this is disturbing, my onboard sound is turned off in the BIOS
[06:28] <zaggynl> how can it work in ubuntu?!
[06:28] <dystopianray> zaggynl: maybe your bios doesn't really turn it off
[06:28] <dystopianray> zaggynl: or turns it off in some half-arsed fashion that only windows recognises
[06:28] <marcot>  Hello, I'm with a problem with the pppoe configuration, I set it to be loaded at boot, but it's not being load correctly.
[06:28] <zaggynl> hmm, might have to do with the plug & play OS setting then
[06:29] <frying_fish> zaggynl: look here, it will help on setting 1 card to always be card 0 and the other to be card 1 http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
[06:29] <dystopianray> Jordan_U: what video card do you have?
[06:29] <marcot> A conection is stabilished, because I can do poff, but I can't ping nothing.
[06:29] <zaggynl> fritsch, thanks
[06:29] <dystopianray> zaggynl: 'plug & play OS' should always be set to 'no'
[06:29] <Jordan_U> dystopianray, ATi
[06:29] <marcot> I get: network is unreachable.
[06:29] <zaggynl> okay
[06:29] <fritsch> marcot: perhaps the default gateway is not setup correctly
[06:29] <fritsch> marcot: run route -n after booting and have a look
[06:30] <dystopianray> zaggynl: although really, that option has no affect on modern ACPI supporting OSs
[06:30] <marcot> hum...
[06:30] <marcot> fritsch: it seems to be the problem, since when I run poff and pon again it works and the result of route -n is different.
[06:31] <fritsch> marcot: :-)
[06:31] <marcot> fritsch: I has one more line: <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>         U     0      0        0 ppp0
[06:31] <marcot> fritsch: how can I configure it to add this line in boot time?
[06:31] <fritsch> mmmh the <IP_ADDRESS> does not seem coreectly
[06:31] <frying_fish> zaggynl: gone through that site? you just need to find the stuff about loading the specific modules for your card and setting one to have index=0 and then the other to be index=1
[06:31] <fritsch> marcot: just try again sudo pppoeconfig
[06:32] <zaggynl> frying_fish, ah okay
[06:32] <Jordan_U> OK, now it seems that any video I play is discolored, regardless of codec
[06:32] <dfgas> on my laptop, how do i get the brightness control to work?
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: you using fglrx and totem?
[06:33] <Jordan_U> mc44, Yes
[06:33] <dfgas> i have a gateway laptop mt3418
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: known bug
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: due to ati being rubbish
[06:33] <Jordan_U> mc44, Is there a known fix?
[06:33] <mc44> Jordan_U: use vlc or mplayer :/
[06:33] <fritsch> Jordan_U: should work with fglrx?
[06:34] <frying_fish> Jordan_U: use vlc, it is the best and easiest option
[06:34] <marcot> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15980/
[06:34] <marcot> fritsch: I've tried that already.
[06:34] <mc44> Jordan_U: or using compiz seems to fix it for me as well
[06:34] <Jordan_U> frying_fish, But then I can't show off libgimmycodec to people :)
[06:34] <fritsch> marcot: mmmh http://www.launchpad.net
[06:34] <fritsch> marcot: could be an issue with network-manager and pppoe
[06:35] <fritsch> marcot: because network manager replaces the default route ...
[06:35] <Jordan_U> mc44, XGL :( eww
[06:35] <fritsch> marcot: you can manually do after boot: route add default gw "your ppoe gateway"
[06:35] <marcot> hum...
[06:35] <frying_fish> libgimmycodec?
[06:35] <mc44> JOyeah I know
[06:35] <mc44> Jordan_U: ^
[06:35] <frying_fish> what does that actually provide?
[06:36] <cypherdelic> frying_fish: i got it
[06:36] <frying_fish> cypherdelic: got it unpacked?
[06:36] <frying_fish> if it has libflac.so.7 then put that in /usr/lib32