[00:00] <hamitron> suppose I should charge my PSP for entertainment
[00:01] <dutchie> mgdm: job, not membership :)
[00:10] <hamitron> how can you use 8Gb RAM in windows?
[00:11] <hamitron> I think I was maybe greedy and didn't need this much
[00:11] <hamitron> :/
[00:11] <HazRPG> hamitron: load up a game 4 times :P
[00:12] <hamitron> I only have a 17" CRT monitor :/
[00:12] <ali1234> after effects will easily use up that much memory with ram previews
[00:13] <ali1234> that's about 30 seconds of SD video or something
[00:14] <hamitron> I got 3.2gb used earlier
[00:14] <hamitron> using vmware
[00:14] <hamitron> but have since decided it wasn't good for what I wanted
[00:31] <ali1234> so it seems like most of the bad things in unity are infecting the "classic" desktop too
[00:37] <hamitron> :/
[00:37] <ali1234> when i upgraded yesterday the classic desktop didn't have global-menu by default
[00:38] <ali1234> although there was a panel applet i could add and remove at will
[00:38] <hamitron> this is the beta?
[00:38] <ali1234> although when i created a new user, global-menu was enforced, and "remove from panel" was greyed out on the global menu
[00:38] <ali1234> after a clean install, same thing
[00:38] <ali1234> beta isn't out yet
[00:38] <ali1234> this is alpha 3
[00:39] <ali1234> updating it now
[00:40] <ali1234> oh, updating failed, "can't install 'unity-desktop'"
[00:41] <ali1234> is it possible to run apport-collect or w/e remotely, and then have the bug report URL sent to myself on, say, bonjour (chat protocol for LAN) so i can fill the details on a machine that actually works?
[00:42] <ali1234> i bet it would be quite easy actually
[00:47] <Seeker`> ali1234: don't complain about bugs in alpha software :P
[00:47] <ali1234> why?
[00:47] <shauno> no, do.  the whole point of alpha is to fix those before it's released
[00:48] <Seeker`> shauno: report them by all means, but don't *complain* about them
[00:48] <ali1234> why do you think i asked about apport-collect?
[00:54] <ali1234> second partial upgrade begins...
[00:56] <ali1234> update manager crashed
[00:56] <ali1234> and the crash report is corrupted
[02:46] <Azelphur> my computers going insane, when I press RCTRL in a terminal I get ~
[02:46] <Azelphur> right supor is . xD
[02:47] <Azelphur> and when I press up on the arrows, it takes a screenshot
[02:48] <Azelphur> maybe I just need to reboot for the latest update :s
[02:55] <Azelphur> there, reboot fixed it :P
[02:59] <shauno> whacky
[02:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[03:21] <shauno> mental note; next time I try to transcode video, start it before I go to bed, not before I settle down infront of the computer for the day :/
[03:21] <shauno> poor lil lappy's blowing so hard, I swear it'd run faster than me if I put wheels on it
[03:22] <Azelphur> :D
[03:24] <Azelphur> Anyone know how to use apport to catch a compiz crash?
[03:41] <HazRPG> even though I've been tidying up... it still looks messy :/ :: https://picasaweb.google.com/hazrpg/DIY?feat=directlink
[03:42] <HazRPG> yes... I have 3 swizzle chairs and 1 regular
[03:42] <HazRPG> back when I use to host lan parties...
[03:43] <HazRPG> also comes in handy when I have clients... I tend to move the mess away before I have people round though lol
[03:44] <shauno> that kitchen chair.  I swear I have the very same one
[03:44] <HazRPG> wouldn't surprise me
[03:44] <HazRPG> I think it was bought from tescos?
[03:44] <shauno> no idea, was here when we moved in
[03:45] <HazRPG> I dragged it from the conservatory where the table that goes with is...
[03:45] <HazRPG> shauno: have you got a round table that goes with it?
[03:45] <shauno> aye, with a leaf in the middle
[03:45] <shauno> and stupidly huge legs that make it awkward to actually sit at
[03:45] <HazRPG> ah... mine doesn't have a leaf on it lol
[03:46] <HazRPG> yeah... mines got that though
[03:46] <shauno> tis not ours tho.  we rent. because the property market here isn't something I want to get involved with
[03:46] <HazRPG> the box under the table where the TV is... that's where the other C64 is located
[03:46] <HazRPG> ah that makes sense
[03:49] <HazRPG> is it wrong that I just noticed my suit-jacket on the chair after looking through the photos and not by actually looking at the chair :S??
[03:50] <shauno> I think it's wrong that you take pictures of that kinda thing in the first place :)
[03:50] <HazRPG> that I took photos of my room?
[03:50] <shauno> aye
[03:51] <HazRPG> I was just proving to my friend on mumble that I have actually done something constructive today
[03:51] <HazRPG> he seems to think I don't do anything all day long
[03:52] <HazRPG> on one hand, I wish I had less stuff... and on the other, I wish I had better places to store my stuff
[03:53] <shauno> I just gave up and admitted my "office" isn't safe for human consumption :)
[03:54] <HazRPG> heh
[03:54] <HazRPG> that's usually a similar explanation I give others
[03:54] <HazRPG> my mother would kill me if she ever saw it like this
[03:55] <HazRPG> she's too much of a clean-freak
[03:55] <shauno> haha
[03:55] <shauno> we have a stalemate.  she leaves my mess alone, if I promise to confine it to a single room
[03:56] <HazRPG> heh, my dad and I have that arrangement too
[03:57] <HazRPG> mother on the other hand... if its not clean, there will be war!
[03:57] <HazRPG> thankfully neither visit... so it's a win-win
[03:58] <HazRPG> although, arguably... she's would be just as bad as me, if she lived in a house the same size I do...
[04:03] <shauno> I could probably use a lot more storage :/  I find that "holy explosion of nerdosity, batman" works for me just fine tho
[04:06] <HazRPG> haha
[04:09]  * HazRPG is rather intrigued
[04:09] <HazRPG> no way your mess can be worse then mine
[04:09] <shauno> haha
[04:10] <HazRPG> considering you've only seen my computer room (I should really learn to start calling it an office... but that's I think that's the proper term for it)... I have a shed full of old computers... and a living room full of my DVD's
[04:11] <HazRPG> thankfully though the living room is tidy
[04:12] <shauno> the one I just sent ya is quite old (a good 5-7 years ago)
[04:13] <shauno> but an idea of how untidy I get
[04:15] <shauno> 2006 per exif :/  time flies
[04:15] <HazRPG> time does fly
[04:15] <HazRPG> heh, so glad I'm not the only one then
[04:15] <HazRPG> although, at least the desk is still visible though
[04:16] <shauno> :D
[04:16] <shauno> and I've an excuse for the coke cans; they're returnable in michigan
[04:16] <HazRPG> loving the original diablo box btw :P
[04:16] <HazRPG> heh, I do that too... cos in saudi they're returnable :P
[04:16] <HazRPG> its a habit that just hasn't died
[04:16] <shauno> I think that's the battlechest, so not so original; diablo, d2 & d2:lod
[04:17] <HazRPG> battlechest would only contain d2 and d2:lod
[04:18] <HazRPG> wait hang on... so that picture is of your room in michigan... and you were bitching at me about how I was taking photos of my room :P
[04:18] <shauno> that's 5 years ago :)
[04:19] <HazRPG> still a photo... that you took... of your room computering area!
[04:19] <shauno> at 4am, according to exif.  some things don't change :p
[04:19] <HazRPG> in fact... wouldn't that be worse, considering you've kept the photo this long xD
[04:20] <shauno> nah, I've just had the same webhost for too long
[04:20] <HazRPG> heh, yeah... I have a feeling the late nights/early mornings just comes with the profession/hobby choice
[04:22] <HazRPG> right, quick re-log... since ubuntu has decided that it doesn't want to mount my CD drive :/
[04:25] <HazRPG> back
[04:27] <shauno> o/
[04:29] <shauno> well, just for late-night amusement, here's "5 years on"
[04:30] <HazRPG> tidier, I must say
[04:30] <shauno> bigger desk :)
[04:30] <HazRPG> indeed
[04:30] <HazRPG> much like my big-desk investment
[04:30] <shauno> that, and foodstuffs violate the "my room" treaty, so it's just nerdjunk now
[04:32] <HazRPG> I love how the cornered off table is placed in-front of another table... instead of having the table in the corner...
[04:32] <shauno> not many options :/  it's a pretty small room
[04:33] <HazRPG> ah
[04:33] <shauno> this is the only wall it'll go up against without blocking in either the radiator, or the door
[04:33] <HazRPG> see I have the advantage of my computer room suppose to be a living room factor
[04:34] <shauno> the other 'table' is a permanent fixture; it's actually the top of the stairwell, boxed over
[04:34] <HazRPG> oh...
[04:34] <HazRPG> heh, well that makes sense I guess... odd house design choice however
[04:35] <shauno> that was like that when we got here, but apparently an attempt to turn what'd otherwise be a 45º chunk of floor into useful space
[04:35] <shauno> yes.  idiotic house designs seem normal here
[04:35] <HazRPG> heh, old houses here are just as bad though
[04:36] <shauno> seems to be part of the whole property boom thing.  seems people who had no business building homes, gave it their best shot anyway
[04:37] <HazRPG> our living/TV/lounge room has a chimney against one wall... so you've got like half a metre clearance on either side of it, that's 1/4 to half a metre in diameter...
[04:39] <HazRPG> then there's like a concrete patch infront of where the fireplace would have been... so we've had to sort of squeeze a sofa between the door and that concrete patch...
[04:39] <HazRPG> the concrete is tiled up, so it doesn't look that bad... it just leaves the room looking big, but small because you can't fit anything in because of the odd proportions
[04:40] <HazRPG> shauno: oh, I guess that's one way of looking at it
[04:40] <shauno> I prefer older homes
[04:41] <HazRPG> how so?
[04:41] <shauno> if the bathroom hasn't dropped thru in the last 100 years, it's not about to start now :)
[04:41] <shauno> still trying to get the landlord to fix a small issue where if we shower, water comes thru the cooker hood downstairs
[04:42] <HazRPG> lmao
[04:43] <HazRPG> I have this vision of someone having a shower... where water is going down from the shower... meanwhile downstairs, water is showering upwards from the cooker - in a charlie chaplin sort of manner
[04:43] <shauno> you can see the paint peeling at the top of that last photo, because the bathroom above us was apparently fitted by a stag party
[04:44] <HazRPG> heh seriously!
[04:44] <shauno> so if we use the en-suite, water ends up in my office.  if we use the regular bathroom, it ends up in the kitchen
[04:44] <shauno> makes me think they should stick bathrooms on the ground floor only, so it's nowhere further to go
[04:45] <HazRPG> bathrooms use to be ground floor only at one point
[04:45] <shauno> my nanna's house is like that
[04:46] <shauno> the bathroom is downstairs, because when they moved in, it was outside.  so when they converted, it was put up against the kitchen because that's where the plumbing is
[04:46] <HazRPG> when my dad bought his first house (which he still owns) he knocked the wall between where the house and outside bathroom met
[04:46] <HazRPG> heh yeah, pretty much what you just said :P
[04:47] <HazRPG> the bathroom is technically next to the kitchen
[04:47] <shauno> they kept their outside one tho.  kinda cute when it's just a novelty
[04:48] <HazRPG> heh awesome
[04:48] <HazRPG> "going for a smoke, and then a piss" comes to mind
[04:48] <HazRPG> hopefully not at the same time xD
[04:49] <HazRPG> although I have seen my mother do that though >_<
[04:49] <shauno> tiny little mining village in durham .. visiting them always felt like a trip back in time
[04:49] <HazRPG> she has a habit of NOT closing bathroom doors
[04:49] <HazRPG> something which took me 18 years to get use to
[04:50] <shauno> :/
[04:51] <shauno> I'm the eldest of 5 .. a bolt was always the only expectation of privacy
[04:56] <HazRPG> heh, I grew up with locks not working
[04:57] <shauno> woot, transcode finished :)
[04:57] <HazRPG> \o/
[04:59] <shauno> hopefully new laptop this weekend, then this one will be opened to even more abuse
[05:07] <HazRPG> winner!
[05:08] <HazRPG> shauno: http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/10/Winrar_is_you.png
[05:11] <shauno> hah
[05:12] <shauno> nah, it's just "my turn".  last year we blew my bonus on keeping Herself happy, this year it's my turn
[05:13] <HazRPG> refers to previous picture :D! \o/
[05:14] <HazRPG> someone has just sent me this linked, and it amused me...
[05:14] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbplbvL-vy8
[05:15] <shauno> okay, not random at all :p
[05:15] <HazRPG> she has penguin underpants...
[05:15] <HazRPG> lol
[05:16]  * HazRPG <== liked penguins before he even heard about linux
[05:17] <HazRPG> if fact I think I came across linux because I was looking for some penguin wallpapers and was wondering who tux was back when I was 14
[05:17] <shauno> could never figure out why they had welsh names tho
[05:17] <HazRPG> why what had welsh names?
[05:17] <shauno> penguins
[05:18] <shauno> pen (penn?) gwyn is "white head".  that can't be a coincidence.  penguins are welsh :)
[05:18] <HazRPG> lol
[05:19] <shauno> (no, I wasn't going to claim tux's real name is dafyyd)
[05:20] <HazRPG> lol
[05:22] <HazRPG> slightly disturbed with the music I just found marked "arabic music"
[05:22] <HazRPG> its a CD I found while cleaning, guessing it's a disc one of my cousins made me
[05:23] <shauno> fun
[05:23] <HazRPG> first song so far has a kid saying "baba ubah" <arabic kid gibberish words> "baba ubah"... which translates as "dad, piggyback" or "dad, lift me up"
[05:24] <HazRPG> it is just gibberish words that kids say...
[05:24] <HazRPG> just heard "wawa" and that's a kids way of saying "booboo" or "I have a cut/swore" of some description
[05:25] <HazRPG> thankfully the rest aren't as bad
[05:26] <shauno> it'll be nice to have a laptop that doesn't have a fried battery.  waiting to go watch a movie, but can't move the laptop until this copy has finished
[05:26] <shauno> because the battery won't last the time it takes to get downstairs :/
[05:26] <HazRPG> track 4: "My heart, my heart... is on fire!"
[05:27] <HazRPG> movie on laptop I'm guessing?
[05:27] <shauno> it is at the moment, it'll be on the TV in "about 12 minutes"
[05:27] <HazRPG> via HDMI or similar?
[05:28] <shauno> nah, got a gizmo that sits in front of the TV to do it, ftp'ing the file to the telly now
[05:28] <HazRPG> heh nice :)
[05:28] <shauno> it's just difficult to sit infront of the telly with no internet for 2 hours, so waiting until I can take the lappy with me :)
[05:28] <HazRPG> I just use my PS3 for streaming content via "Media Server"
[05:29] <shauno> I have an (old-style) appletv, all loaded up with xbmc
[05:29] <HazRPG> and women say we can't multitask :P we can internets and watch a film!
[05:29] <HazRPG> awesome
[05:29] <HazRPG> I had the same with my ps3 originally when it had linux on it
[05:29] <HazRPG> then the took it away from me :(
[05:30] <HazRPG> they*
[05:30] <shauno> it's a pretty pathetic little box, but it's wife-friendly
[05:30] <HazRPG> just cos my sister decided it would be a good idea to accept the update
[05:30] <shauno> (again, the "keep my mess in my room" treaty)
[05:30] <HazRPG> heh \o/
[05:31] <HazRPG> man, I hope I can find a woman that would ever agree to my geeky ways
[05:31] <shauno> I did manage to get an exception made for the NES tho :)
[05:31] <HazRPG> winner :P
[05:32] <shauno> not found a tidy way to keep that, without wrapping cables around the controller and straining them
[05:33] <HazRPG> dude, I had a little gizmo for my PSX that stored the controllers away, and the PSX box, etc
[05:33] <HazRPG> maybe you should just invest in one of those - it is the right size for most consoles
[05:33] <HazRPG> I bought it years ago from like a game/console style hobby shop (not a big brand store) so not sure how "available" they are
[05:34] <shauno> nah, they're too awesome to hide :)
[05:34] <shauno> got the gun for it too, but that ended up in my "drawer of cables" because it won't work on our telly :(
[05:34] <HazRPG> it was neat, it was basically like a draw thing that you could rest under the TV, or similar, and you store a controller in each compartment... the console in the main one and all the wires loop round nicely
[05:35] <HazRPG> think that's still in saudi...
[05:35] <HazRPG> was great for keeping dust away too
[05:36] <shauno> can't remember exactly what the deal is, but the gun wants a proper crt, not lcd/plasma
[05:37] <HazRPG> was just about to say
[05:37] <HazRPG> its something to do with the scanlines, and the refresh rates
[05:37] <HazRPG> probably size of pixels too
[05:38] <HazRPG> because I've noticed some of my light guns won't work on some CRT's that were produced over the last 4 years or so
[05:39] <shauno> probably because the timing on them is pretty much artificial now
[05:39] <HazRPG> its driving me insane... can't find an image for that PSX storage thing I had
[05:39] <shauno> heh, it's not a worry.  I like having it out.  it's like a trophy :)
[05:41] <HazRPG> oh, no its because I'm looking to invest in another one - because I'm not sure if my dad will have thrown out that old one I had
[05:41] <HazRPG> my psx is getting dusty with lack of use over the years
[05:41] <HazRPG> that and the fact that having all my controllers stored away in a draw with other cables, is just not cool lol
[05:43] <HazRPG> heh, had this in my C&P, clearly didn't finish typing it: personally, a wife that lets you have a man-cave ("office") and allows you to stay up till funny hours is always a winner
[05:44] <shauno> we each have our own odd habits
[05:44] <HazRPG> true... not often ya can find a pair that'll just live with them though
[05:45] <HazRPG> *sigh*
[05:45] <HazRPG> seems to be the trend that women would rather you live with their habits, but want you to get rid of ALL yours...
[05:45] <shauno> hah
[05:45] <HazRPG> I managed to get away with a few with one of my ex's, but she used it against me to dump me :/
[05:46] <shauno> I've a feeling that was plan A, until I turned out to be largely untrainable
[05:46] <HazRPG> yeah, but that's the cool thing... she decided to go with a plan B... most just run away
[05:46]  * HazRPG grumbles
[05:47] <HazRPG> ya haven't even heard the worse part
[05:47] <HazRPG> apparently I was only meant to be "a bit of fun... a summer fling" but apparently she fell for me, which is why we were together for a year... according to her
[05:49] <HazRPG> was going to propose to her, but about a month before I decided I would... she said "we want different things" (lies? both wanted similar house choices, life plans, etc... which we'd discussed several times randomly)
[05:49] <HazRPG> etc
[05:49] <shauno> bummer :/
[05:49] <HazRPG> tell me about it :(
[05:50] <HazRPG> I worked it out, the only thing that was different about what we both wanted... was that I didn't mind where I'd get married but had ideas about where would be good... and she wanted to get married in a church, but I can't do that without changing religion - or finding a church that would be cool with a mixed religion marriage
[05:51] <HazRPG> guessing she just couldn't see the hassle finding a church that would
[05:52] <HazRPG> which I'd already started looking for anyways... obviously without telling her (which probably was my downfall)
[05:53] <HazRPG> I find it ironic that the guy she went for after me, was the complete opposite - and totally the kind of guy she said she'd normally avoid
[05:53] <HazRPG> each to their own I guess
[05:54] <shauno> well, at least you found out before you did anything too permanent I guess
[05:55] <HazRPG> true... but that's just it, I don't think it would have been bad, I just think she assumed because of the way I was that I wouldn't advance
[05:57] <HazRPG> which is ironic, she said I'd never go anywhere... but well I currently have 2 jobs put on hold until I finish my degree - and I now have a HND... and things looking bright, yet she's finished her degree... and is slowly moving up the retail business and things slowly to a halt almost
[05:57] <HazRPG> funny how  things turn out isn't it
[05:57] <shauno> I did HND .. nasty, nasty thing :/
[05:58] <HazRPG> lol why?
[05:58] <knightwise> morning !
[05:58] <shauno> morning knightwise
[05:58] <HazRPG> knightwise: morning
[05:58] <HazRPG> my dad originally went to saudi on the basis that he had a HND and got himself a well-paid job with it
[05:58] <shauno> HazRPG: found it difficult to translate into an equivalent in the US
[05:59] <HazRPG> shauno: best way to describe it, is that its almost a degree - except you have to do work experience to achieve it
[06:00] <knightwise> hey HazRPG shauno
[06:00] <knightwise> how are you guyz today
[06:00] <shauno> I tried to join the navy over there (loooong story), they took one look at my hnd, decided it was worthless and set about trying to get my gcse records from home
[06:00] <HazRPG> shauno: seriously?
[06:00] <shauno> yup
[06:01] <HazRPG> companies in saudi seem to prefer those with a HND than those with a degree... just because they've got the experience to go with it
[06:01] <HazRPG> knightwise: not bad, how's you?
[06:01]  * MartijnVdS yawns
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> morning
[06:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o/ dude
[06:01] <knightwise> not too god :( gui on my main machine wont start :(
[06:01] <knightwise> Grrr
[06:01] <knightwise> hey MartijnVdS !
[06:01] <shauno> it went way downhill after that, when they couldn't figure out how to get my records from the NEAB
[06:01] <HazRPG> knightwise: ouch
[06:02] <MartijnVdS> banshee maintainers, y u no upload new version!
[06:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: because Rhythm is so much better?
[06:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that's not the point
[06:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, banshee has gotten better
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> except the "gio" module is broken atm
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> so it can't copy stuff to my Nexus One
[06:03] <knightwise> does anybody know where i need to start looking to fix this ?
[06:03] <HazRPG> knightwise: erm... what's it throwing up at you exactly?
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: what kind of graphics chip do you have? what's the error?
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: which version of *ubuntu
[06:03] <knightwise> Lets see :)
[06:04] <knightwise> 10.10
[06:04] <HazRPG> shauno: is there more? That sentence seems to have stopped dead to me...
[06:04] <knightwise> I've got an asus eeebox ( but everything worked fine up to sunday i think)
[06:04] <knightwise> What i get now is just the login window
[06:04] <shauno> HazRPG: nah, it just gets even less interesting after that
[06:04] <knightwise> (console)
[06:04] <HazRPG> knightwise: hmm, login... and type gnome-desktop
[06:04] <HazRPG> I think it is...
[06:05] <knightwise> command not found ?
[06:05] <knightwise> isnt it startx
[06:05] <HazRPG> shauno: I'm sure your glad ya didn't end up in the army/navy though :)?
[06:05] <shauno> HazRPG: last I heard from my recruiter, he was still trying to figure out how to issue a check in pounds sterling, because the NEAB wouldn't take payment in dollars.  about 6 months into "get shaun's gcse records from the UK" I got bored and left the country
[06:05] <HazRPG> knightwise: ah, yes... sorry that was the one I meant :)
[06:05] <knightwise> user not authorised to run x server
[06:05] <knightwise> (and i'm root )
[06:05]  * MartijnVdS just dropped out of uni, went to program Perl for a local ISP
[06:06] <shauno> knightwise: are you local ?
[06:06] <HazRPG> shauno: heh :/
[06:06] <knightwise> fatal server report , no screens found
[06:06] <knightwise> erm yes
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: (starting X won't work over ssh)
[06:06] <knightwise> i'm local
[06:06] <HazRPG> knightwise: try "sudo startx"
[06:06] <shauno> yeah, that's what I meant .. X doesn't like being started remotely
[06:07] <knightwise> i'll do a complete reboot
[06:07] <shauno> not "this is a local X server, for local people"
[06:07] <HazRPG> shauno: xD
[06:07] <knightwise> yep
[06:07] <knightwise> "This X server don't boot if you're not from the neighbourhood ?"
[06:08] <shauno> it just looks at you funny and overcharges you
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: and speaks with a funny accent
[06:08] <HazRPG> :P
[06:08] <knightwise> failed to load the nvidea kernell module
[06:08] <HazRPG> knightwise: that after using sudo startx?
[06:08] <knightwise> after sudo startx
[06:09] <HazRPG> that might be where your issue is then
[06:09] <knightwise> aha
[06:09] <HazRPG> did you update before you turned off last?
[06:09] <knightwise> yep
[06:09] <knightwise> i think i did
[06:09] <shauno> HazRPG: I dunno, the navy had been my goal for as long as I can remember.  royal navy turned me down for stupid reasons (apparently I'm not as funny as I thought), and the US navy got completely lost when examinations board said no to them.  they're used to just asking for transcripts & getting them.  the EU has these odd privacy laws which confused them
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> Another reason why I never buy nviida
[06:09] <knightwise> Could i try using an older kernell from the grub list ?
[06:09] <HazRPG> knightwise: right removing the nvidia drivers for now, and see if it'll boot into the gui
[06:10] <HazRPG> knightwise: you could try that too :)
[06:10] <MartijnVdS> or reinstall the module, that should trigger a recompile?
[06:10] <knightwise> erm .. and how do i do that . sudo apt-get remove ... ?
[06:10] <knightwise> i could try that too
[06:10] <knightwise> but i don't really know how to do that (never did that before)
[06:11] <HazRPG> shauno: what was it you wanted to do in the navy?
[06:11] <knightwise> sudo apt-get remove nvidia- ... and then there are quite a lot of files to choose from
[06:11] <knightwise> nvidia-common ?
[06:11] <knightwise> nvidia-current ?
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: try using jockey-text
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: instead of apt-get remove
[06:13] <shauno> HazRPG: comms, vaguely.  mostly, it was just expectation because that's where the rest of the family was
[06:13] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: so i just type in jockey-text ?
[06:13] <HazRPG> shauno: ah, fair enough I guess
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: jockey-text --list
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it should show you a list
[06:14] <shauno> HazRPG: when my parents met, they were both in the navy.  3 of 4 uncles, one aunt, 1 grandparent, etc
[06:14] <HazRPG> some traditions do have to break at some point
[06:15] <shauno> yes.  apparently my sense of humour is the breaking point :)
[06:15] <HazRPG> shauno: what was it you said to them exactly :P?
[06:16] <knightwise> it comes back with something about nvidia current
[06:16] <knightwise> so now i do sudo jockey-text Nvidia-current ?
[06:16] <knightwise> or remove and reinstall ?
[06:16] <HazRPG> knightwise: if I recall, you need to get rid of all nvidia stuff so I'd use :: sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*
[06:16] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: then disable the nvidia driver using jockey-text --disable=drivername (from the list)
[06:16] <shauno> I interviewed for artificer in the RN, and the interviewer took offence when I explained my understanding of the position was jobs that were too clever for grease monkeys, but officers couldn't do because they might break a nail
[06:17] <shauno> I really wasn't expecting them to be that easy to offend.  but then I didn't grow up around sailors that were desk-bound.  oh well.
[06:17] <HazRPG> shauno: haha, see I'd give you the job on that basis!
[06:18] <shauno> they told me I was immature, and that I should either go for OM, or come back in a year or two when I'd seen a bit of the world.  so I emmigrated.
[06:18] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: i think i did that , do i need to do HazRPG suggestion next ?
[06:18] <HazRPG> shauno: yeah, desk-bound people in both navy/army seem to be a little bit protective over their status
[06:19] <shauno> HazRPG: to be honest, I'm surprised I'm still in ireland.  "and then I left the country" seems to be standard punctuation in my life.
[06:19] <shauno> anyhow, gonna go catch that movie 'n stop cluttering up attempts to fix knightwise's gui :)
[06:19] <HazRPG> know the feeling
[06:20] <knightwise> lol shauno :) its ok
[06:20] <knightwise> typed in HazRPG and am ready to hit enter
[06:20] <HazRPG> shauno: enjoy! No doubt you'll still be around during the movie anyways :P
[06:20] <HazRPG> knightwise: go for it :)
[06:20] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: no, after jockey disables the driver, reboot
[06:20] <knightwise> ok
[06:20] <knightwise> wait
[06:20] <knightwise> i'll go for MartijnVdS first then
[06:20] <HazRPG> ah, see I haven't used jockey...
[06:21] <HazRPG> knightwise: yeah sure, go for it
[06:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: jockey is the "install non-free crap drivers" tool :)
[06:21] <HazRPG> ah
[06:22] <knightwise> jockey says : unknown driver nvidia_current
[06:23] <knightwise> so i do jockey-list
[06:23] <slackthumbz> apt-cache search nvidia current
[06:24] <slackthumbz> or if you really need a gui then use synaptic
[06:24] <slackthumbz> l
[06:24] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: but isnt jockey a gui tool ?
[06:25] <knightwise> when i type jockey-text --list i get an error code : GTKwardning could not open display
[06:26] <knightwise> xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver .... enabled in use )
[06:27] <slackthumbz> lsmod | grep nv
[06:27] <knightwise> wait , i did jockey-list --disable xorg:nividia_current
[06:27] <knightwise> that seems to do something
[06:28] <knightwise> but i cant get a command prompt anymore .. (grr :()
[06:28] <slackthumbz> although you'll probably need a reboot if you're chopping and changing graphics driver modules
[06:28] <shauno> going to sound a little daft, but what's jockey?
[06:28]  * slackthumbz shrugs
[06:28] <slackthumbz> I've heard the name but never used it
[06:28] <slackthumbz> I just use the standard oldschool tools for managing modules
[06:29] <knightwise> jockey is the "install non-free crap drivers" tool :)
[06:29] <knightwise> (says MartijnVdS )
[06:29] <knightwise> ah wait
[06:29] <knightwise> i did the jockey thing and am rebooting the system
[06:30] <knightwise> i'm getting a bootsplash screen (thats something)
[06:30] <knightwise> aaaaand ...
[06:30] <knightwise> it looks like its working again
[06:30] <shauno> and boy is it odd being back on a dvorak keyboard :/
[06:30] <knightwise> allmost that is
[06:30] <knightwise> Yep è
[06:30] <knightwise> we have a gui !
[06:30]  * slackthumbz cheers
[06:31] <knightwise> so i suppose i don't enable the restricted drivers when it comes asking about it ?
[06:32] <slackthumbz> you won't get any decent 3d
[06:32] <slackthumbz> or compositing
[06:32] <knightwise> i'm only using boxee on it
[06:32] <knightwise> nope , not using any of that
[06:32] <knightwise> its just a fileserver with an ssh frontend
[06:33] <knightwise> sorry , boxee frontend
[06:33] <slackthumbz> ah, fairy nuff.
[06:33] <slackthumbz> doesn't need anything fancy then
[06:33] <shauno> I used to need nvidia drivers for that, but I think that's because I was using tv-out
[06:35] <knightwise> ah , ok
[06:35] <knightwise> i think i'll be fine then
[06:35] <knightwise> that will teach me to sudo apt-get update
[06:36] <slackthumbz> ...apt-get update just updates your repository data
[06:36] <slackthumbz> it doesn't modify any applications on the machine
[06:37] <knightwise> thanx everyone
[06:37] <knightwise> "upgrade" then
[06:37] <slackthumbz> upgrade only does the same thing as the update manager
[06:37] <HazRPG> sorry, seems like a missed a bit there
[06:38] <HazRPG> but yeah, grats on getting it working :)
[06:38] <HazRPG> shauno: you use dvorak :)?
[06:38] <shauno> on the laptop, but not on my normal keyboard.  haven't used the laptop's keyboard for a while, so it's a bit of a mindgame
[06:45] <shauno> really dig the dvorak-cmd-qwerty layout, but can't seem to do it on any other OS :(
[06:45] <HazRPG> hmm?
[06:48] <shauno> odd to explain; it's querty when the cmd key is held
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a "Second level"
[06:49] <shauno> so cmd-Q for quit, etc, haven't moved
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> check the keyboard preferences
[06:50] <shauno> oh I have that set intentionally.  so copy/paste/etc are still on the same keys
[06:50] <shauno> but instead of being cmd-C, cmd-V, they're now J & K
[06:50] <shauno> but the same physical button
[06:51] <shauno> (it makes sense in my head, honestly)
[06:51] <HazRPG> shauno: nah it makes sense generally - being in the same physical location n all is what we're use to, its how we type
[06:52] <HazRPG> I always get confused when I switch to arabic keyset, because I have no idea where the keys are!
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they're the other way around..
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> right-to-left 8-)
[06:52] <HazRPG> I only have it when I'm looking for films or songs in arabic, and usually 9 times out of 10... I've typed the wrong things because I suck at writing in arabic
[06:52] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: also more letters ;)
[06:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: and its technically AZERTY not QWERTY
[06:53] <shauno> heh, you can thank the french for that
[06:54] <HazRPG> yeah
[06:54]  * knightwise has a frech keyboard too on his mac
[06:54] <knightwise> azerty
[06:55] <shauno> that's evil.  I'd rather dvorak.  atleast it doesn't fool you into thinking it's similar
[06:57] <HazRPG> see that's the odd thing about arabic keyset, its technically AZERTY... however I don't think its possible to actually type any english letters
[06:57] <HazRPG> only arabic characters
[06:59] <HazRPG> I think its more to do with those letters being in a similar arrangement
[06:59] <HazRPG> also, most letters I think are actually arranged in pretty much alphabetical order :P
[07:19] <phonex01> ?
[07:38] <shauno> been watching the Ark Royal docu on discovery.  A little ironic that they had Cameron visiting in the latest episode, talking to them about what an important job they do.
[07:38] <shauno> Between it being recorded, and airing, he put the thing on ebay.  blah.
[07:40] <Myrtti> boo lemsip is too hot to drink
[07:42] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:47] <HazRPG> Myrtti: do my trick... pour half a cup of hot water... mix... add cold water and ice after its mixed :)
[07:50] <Myrtti> I ended up reading Cooking for Geeks while waiting it to cool off.
[07:50] <Myrtti> which was fun too.
[07:50] <HazRPG> :)
[07:50] <HazRPG> sounds like a book I should get
[07:52] <Myrtti> aw, ebook wouldve been -50% and proceeds gone to Japan red cross yesterday
[07:56] <czajkowski> Myrtti: cooking for geeks you say?
[07:56] <czajkowski> where can one buy it ?
[07:58] <Myrtti> oreilly stuff
[07:59] <czajkowski> ohhh
[08:10] <HazRPG> shauno: how is it that you link dropbox images?
[08:10] <HazRPG> I can't seem to be able to do it for some reason :S
[08:11] <HazRPG> nevermind, figured it out :)
[08:14] <shauno> put them in the public folder, right-click to get the link :)
[08:17] <HazRPG> argh, you've got me being obsessed with words again now xD
[08:17] <shauno> wasn't me
[08:17] <HazRPG> did you know admiral, elixir and many others originated from arabic?
[08:17] <HazRPG> inc. algebra
[08:18] <HazRPG> admiral comes from "amir al-baHr" translation: "Ruler of the Sea"
[08:18] <HazRPG> even the word alcohol apparently!
[08:18] <HazRPG> from the word al-kuHul
[08:18] <shauno> now there's irony
[08:19] <HazRPG> I always thought the arabic for alcohol was taken from english xD
[08:19] <Myrtti> Im reading about iodine. interesting stuff.
[08:20] <HazRPG> Myrtti: science, it works :D
[08:20] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:20] <Myrtti> very sleepy, ttfn
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: algorithm, algebra, alcohol, albatross, adobe
[08:23] <HazRPG> see I knew adobe... because I've heard that in arabic news before
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: azimuth, coffee, elixir :)
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arabic_loanwords_in_English
[08:23] <HazRPG> also "thob, tobe, etc" all very similar sound words
[08:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: was reading that last night ;)
[08:24] <knightwise> man i love twidge :)
[08:24] <knightwise> great twitter client if you want to cron and schedule stuff
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> am I weird for just using the web site and android app for twitter?
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> and facebook?
[08:26] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I use those...
[08:26] <shauno> haha, apparently forgot to setup herself's laptop.  held down pause on the remote to reset the tv, and her laptop went to sleep.   ooops ..
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: so do I.. I can't stand gwibber's crashing
[08:26] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: :) donno , i never use the website , mostly tweet via tweetdeck on phone and pc,
[08:26] <knightwise> and use twidge on linux
[08:26] <knightwise> and gwibber
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: remote-controlled laptop?
[08:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: mine has a remote too
[08:27] <shauno> indeed
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> Mine has a fingerprint reader
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> My PC has a remote (by way of the DVB card), but it's not connected
[08:28] <HazRPG> was apparently designed for media presentation... however can be configured for all sorts :)
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> oh I have a wireless presenter remote
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> but that only works if you put in the USB dongle
[08:28] <HazRPG> ah, see this is using IR
[08:30] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> \o screen-x
[08:30] <screen-x> morning MartijnVdS :)
[08:31] <knightwise> IR  ?
[08:31] <knightwise> thats oldschool !
[08:31] <screen-x> anyone know of a command that will follow a path of symlinks, printing each one, until a real file is encountered?
[08:31] <screen-x> or is it time to fire up the bashmobile?
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: bashmobile
[08:32] <screen-x> ok :)
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> X=$1
[08:32] <HazRPG> knightwise: and yet, is still found in all TVs :P
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: wait..
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: readlink might do what you want
[08:34] <screen-x> \o/ readlink -f
[08:34] <screen-x> thanks MartijnVdS
[08:38] <daubers> Morning
[08:38] <screen-x> morning daubers :)
[08:39] <screen-x> any applicants to your post?
[08:39] <daubers> screen-x: A couple, none that jump out at me though
[08:40] <screen-x> I applied for one from linuxjobs yesterday, entered my employment history, but it refused to save it, so entered it again.  Fail
[08:40] <screen-x> ^a reveals all
[08:41] <daubers> I need to ring up a client and rearrange a meeting that was supposed to be today for tomorrow as I have to fire fight an issue in Aus while they're asleep
[08:41] <daubers> Looks like an SSD with an OS has cooked itself over there :(
[08:42] <screen-x> oh dear, the spinning rust free future was looking so bright
[08:43] <daubers> Never mind, we've sourced a replacement from an Aus supplier, just need to make them an image they can burn on to it now
[08:44] <daubers> Then drive that image up to the DC, so they can download it tomorrow
[08:44] <daubers> or tonight
[08:44] <daubers> stupid time zones
[08:47] <screen-x> daubers: nead moar upload bandwidth?
[08:48] <daubers> screen-x: Yeah, quicker for me to run an 8GB file up there than push it through the offices upstream
[08:48] <daubers> 1.5hours compared to roughly 6/7 hours :)
[08:49] <screen-x> "never underestimate the bandwidth of a truckload of tapes"
[08:49] <screen-x> cant remember where that quote is from..
[08:49] <screen-x> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). Computer Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. pp. 83.
[08:49] <screen-x> thats better :)
[08:50] <DJones> Morning all
[08:50] <screen-x> morning DJones
[08:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:51] <screen-x> morning MooDoo, back from nights?
[08:51] <MooDoo> screen-x: no just had issues at home....everything ok now
[08:51] <MooDoo> screen-x: thanks for asking :D
[08:51] <screen-x> :)
[08:51] <MooDoo> screen-x: nosey bugger ;)
[08:58] <slackthumbz> ah, got gnome-shell compiled and running
[08:59] <HazRPG> wow, how is it possible that I own the dvds for "The Net" & "The Net 2.0" boxset, but don't remember any part of this film
[08:59] <shauno> the first was entirely forgettable.
[09:00] <MooDoo> HazRPG: the net 2?
[09:00] <HazRPG> shauno: guessing you didn't like them?
[09:00] <MooDoo> HazRPG: as in sanndra bullock?
[09:00] <HazRPG> MooDoo: yeah, but I don't think The Net 2.0 has her in it
[09:00] <MooDoo> HazRPG: didn't even know there was a net 2....
[09:00] <HazRPG> uh huh
[09:01] <shauno> never heard of the second, but the first .. well, watch it :)  I'll warn that it's difficult to get 90 minutes of your life refunded
[09:01] <HazRPG> Nikki Deloach is in the 2nd one
[09:01] <MooDoo> HazRPG: yeah just looking now
[09:01] <slackthumbz> now how the #*$% do I theme it up...
[09:02] <smittix> Moaning
[09:02] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, I must have watched them... because I own the dvd's...
[09:04] <smittix> MooDoo: You from Calvo?
[09:06] <MooDoo> smittix: yeah
[09:06] <smittix> Cool, Cinderhill here
[09:06] <MooDoo> smittix: sweet....not that far then
[09:07] <smittix> No, Do you go to any LUG's in notts?
[09:08] <MooDoo> smittix: sometimes, although i've not been for awhile, nice group though
[09:09] <smittix> MooDoo: Never been to any myself.
[09:09] <MooDoo> smittix: we'll have to do an ubuntu hour in town?
[09:10] <smittix> MooDoo: Sure, Trying to get in touch with local users. Heh your the first I have met.
[09:11] <MooDoo> smittix:cool.....http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/
[09:13] <smittix> They never have forums do they
[09:13] <MooDoo> smittix: people don't like forums, which is a shame
[09:14] <MooDoo> smittix: mailing list archives are here - http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/
[09:14] <smittix> MooDoo: I like forums heh.
[09:27] <mungojerry> we need a new topic -
[09:27] <mungojerry> odd shaped balls is old now :P
[09:28]  * MooDoo says nothing
[09:28] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)\
[09:29] <bigcalm> (still getting used to this US keyboard)
[09:29] <kazade> hi everybody!
[09:29] <mungojerry> wifey has lost her keys..i'm worried they got left in the door and some chav has nicked them :( car is still there atm
[09:31] <MooDoo> mungojerry: ouch
[09:34] <mungojerry> bah swype has been really lame since i installed the new version
[09:35] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski: morning
[09:35] <smittix> So.. Is everyone looking forward to Unity?
[09:36] <czajkowski> MooDoo: back talking to us
[09:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski: now things are sorted at home yes...
[09:38] <MooDoo> czajkowski: and let the abuse commence...
[09:39] <HazRPG> smittix: not really lol
[09:39] <smittix> heh
[09:41] <mungojerry> smittix: reporting bugs and playing with it, but won't switch until it offers at least a good a computing experience as what i currently get
[09:41] <mungojerry> that may not be until 12.04 LTS
[09:42] <czajkowski> MooDoo: that was so last week
[09:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: phew
[09:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: did you enjoy doing the podcase?
[09:49] <MooDoo> podcast
[09:49] <czajkowski> yeah it was nice, bit scarey/nervous but it was good fun
[09:50] <czajkowski> I've had lots of pms going so that's what you sound like
[09:50] <czajkowski> which is odd :)
[09:50] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah i'm sure we could hear your giggles through it
[09:50] <czajkowski> yeah sorry!
[09:51] <JamesTait> Another bright and sunny morning, good day everyone!
[09:52] <mungojerry> the giggles were the best bit!
[09:53] <mungojerry> (plus all the others bits, in case anyone takes offence)
[09:54] <MooDoo> i quite like the idea of a guest host, but it would be a logistical nightmare
[09:55] <popey> how so?
[09:55] <popey> seemed to work when we got andy piper in, and mark, and laura
[09:55] <MooDoo> popey: i'm just thinking about people that aren't in your area.  wasn't thinking skype etc...sorry lol
[09:55] <mungojerry> btw who decides on the name of the pocast "mysterious girl" etc and what's the logic behind it?
[09:55] <shauno> I imagine the big challenge being getting the right drinks in for the right people :)
[09:56] <popey> we have a phone setup so people can call in
[09:56] <popey> we dont use skype :)
[09:56] <HazRPG> mungojerry: I must agree with you on that (about unity)
[09:56] <MooDoo> :)
[09:56] <popey> one guest (mpt) even got on the train from london to my house to be on the show
[09:56] <popey> mungojerry: tony does
[09:57] <popey> season one was elvis titles
[09:57] <popey> season two was doctor who episodes iirc
[09:57] <MooDoo> i guess people will travel then
[09:57]  * MooDoo proposes Ubuntu UK Live :p
[09:57] <popey> i drive ~70 miles to the podcast
[09:57] <mungojerry> popey: ah i was wondering about that
[09:57] <popey> season three was silent films
[09:57] <mungojerry> thinks popey has an understanding wife
[09:58] <popey> well yeah, i wouldn't have married her otherwise
[09:58] <popey> its only a few hours one evening every two weeks
[09:58] <mungojerry> the LAS guys seem to do podcast everynight, and they have like 3 kids each
[09:58] <mungojerry> the mind boggles
[09:59] <kazade> mungojerry, I think they get paid for that though... not sure
[09:59] <mungojerry> kazade: not really, only to cover costs i think
[09:59] <popey> they have sponsors
[09:59] <popey> we dont
[10:00] <MooDoo> popey: do you accept donations?
[10:00] <popey> we have no mechanism to get donation
[10:00] <popey> we dont ask for them
[10:01] <kazade> popey, you should set up a flattr button ;)
[10:01] <popey> heh
[10:01] <kazade> for beers ;)
[10:01] <MooDoo> i know you don't ask, i'm sure you'd like some kit to make the show better??
[10:01] <popey> s/beer/cake
[10:01] <kazade> (I nearly typed "bears" which would have been odd)
[10:01] <popey> MooDoo: good question, dunno really
[10:01] <popey> not sure what extra kit we nee
[10:01] <popey> *need
[10:02] <popey> well, what I'd like to do is build a proper studio
[10:02] <MooDoo> well when you have a list, post it :)  i'm sure people would love to help out :D
[10:02] <popey> heh
[10:02] <popey> tony owns most of the kit
[10:02] <popey> we each bring our own mics, stands and leads
[10:03] <popey> the server is provided by bitfolk
[10:03] <screen-x> donated?
[10:03] <popey> yes
[10:03] <popey> so i guess thats sponsorship :)
[10:03] <screen-x> \o/ for bitfolk
[10:04] <shauno> or advertising ;)  I picked bitfolk when I needed a UK-based host because they got a good word on the show, and I didn't recognise any other names
[10:05] <shauno> (before linode started doing UK hosts)
[10:05] <MooDoo> shauno: and memset
[10:06] <mungojerry> one more qu... where does the music come from?
[10:06] <mungojerry> did someone record it specially? or is it a free distribution piece grabbed from the net
[10:07] <czajkowski> there should be a FAQ on the site and the music should be the first question :)
[10:07]  * mungojerry looks
[10:07] <popey> it is
[10:07] <popey> well, was :)
[10:07] <popey> It's called Crazy Words, Crazy Tune
[10:07] <popey> it dates from ~1927
[10:08] <mungojerry> the pic of mark johnson looks a lot like popey's twin http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/presenter-biographies/
[10:08] <screen-x> haha
[10:09] <MooDoo> and just remember for the next podcast it's 2011 not 2010 :p
[10:10] <shauno> you haven't seen popey's delorean then ?
[10:10] <MooDoo> shauno: he never mentioned 1.21 jigawatts once
[10:15] <popey> :)
[10:17] <HazRPG> I still can't believe I forgot I watched this film before
[10:17] <HazRPG> somewhat ironic
[10:18] <HazRPG> considering it's a film about a girl who gets her identity stolen, and its as if she doesn't remember anything
[10:18] <bigcalm> What film?
[10:18] <HazRPG> The Net
[10:19] <bigcalm> I don't recall having seen that one
[10:19] <HazRPG> Sandra Bullock
[10:19] <bigcalm> The news reader?
[10:20] <bigcalm> No, I'm confusing a lot of things there
[10:20] <bigcalm> Ignore me :)
[10:20] <HazRPG> lol
[10:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: no the american actress, it's about a computer programmer whos framed
[10:20] <bigcalm> An old employer of mine was Moria Bullock which made me think of Moria Stewart
[10:20] <HazRPG> personally I'd say she was a hacker (but in the true form of the word) in that film... but hey
[10:22] <shauno> so the missus comes downstairs complaining her phone makes a "strange" noise when she locks it.  like the lock sound just echos out.  so I turn it off and back on again.  now I'm the genius, apparently
[10:22] <mungojerry> HazRPG: do the passwords appear in plaintext in that film?
[10:23] <bigcalm> HITOMI
[10:23] <HazRPG> shauno: IT professionals have been making money off that very similar technique for years ;)
[10:23] <HazRPG> mungojerry: some do...
[10:25] <mungojerry> in hollywood films, passwords are displayed plain text, you can dodge bullets and dive out of the way of bombs, women throw themselves at men, and nobody locks their car doors
[10:25] <popey> MovieOS!
[10:25] <popey> Jack Bauer uses KDE
[10:25] <mungojerry> never seen 24
[10:26] <mungojerry> i wonder what OS they use in bones and CSI though
[10:26] <popey> I've never seen Lost
[10:26] <popey> :)
[10:26] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2010/01/02/ubuntu-spotted-on-doctor-who-set/
[10:26] <popey> :)
[10:26] <mungojerry> after watching heroes for 2 series i got wise to the idea of those programmes
[10:27] <mungojerry> wonder what they use on spooks too
[10:27] <MooDoo> mungojerry: macos
[10:28] <mungojerry> MooDoo: they use mac hardware for sure. the product placement in that programme is ridiculous
[10:29] <popey> macs look nice on telly )
[10:29] <popey> :)
[10:30] <popey> PCs look like.. PCs
[10:30] <kaushal> hi
[10:30] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/584214/ ?
[10:31] <popey> looks like your proxy server it screwing things up
[10:31] <kaushal> oh ok
[10:31] <popey> or the box is broken :)
[10:32] <popey> (the mirror that is)
[10:32] <popey> visiting http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ in my browser here from London doesnt look good
[10:32] <popey> very slow
[10:33] <popey> seems to have recovered now, try again kaushal ?
[10:33] <kaushal> popey: sure
[10:33] <kaushal> thanks
[10:34] <popey> np
[10:37] <satreya> how to add/modify timezone in launchpad? I am not able to figure out how.
[10:40] <dogmatic69> i thought ff4 was up for 10.10?
[10:40] <dogmatic69> just ran updates and nothing :/
[10:41] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: ppa?
[10:41] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: ignore that
[10:41] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: usually the case unless you have a ppa for it
[10:41] <HazRPG> ff4 will be in 11.04 thought
[10:41] <HazRPG> -t*
[10:42] <HazRPG> and 10.10 will probably get it in a few months or so... maybe...
[10:42] <HazRPG> 10.10 will defo still get updates for 3.x though
[10:42] <popey> dogmatic69: http://popey.me/gURQNN
[10:42] <popey> details how to install ff4 on ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10
[10:42] <BigRedS> HazRPG: it shouldn't
[10:42] <BigRedS> not automatically.
[10:43] <popey> no, 10.10 will _not_ get ff4
[10:43] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[10:44] <HazRPG> which is why I said maybe lol, wasn't sure what the exact rule... was just the trend I've noticed over years
[10:44] <BigRedS> unless you add it yourself. But standard-repo-supplied versions of software never go through major version changes in the same erlease
[10:44] <BigRedS> *release
[10:44] <BigRedS> 'cause that would irritate many people when it breaks their things
[10:44] <dogmatic69> saw this last night, just found it again https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/50244316119052288
[10:45]  * popey notes thats the same link as I just posted above :)
[10:45]  * dogmatic69 saw :)
[10:46] <HazRPG> hmm, now that's a new one on me
[10:46] <DJones> !ff4
[10:46] <HazRPG> "Unable to find expected entry   contrib/source/Sources ..."
[10:47] <DJones> I thought that was a working factoid
[10:47] <HazRPG> for VirtualBox ppa
[10:47] <HazRPG> !ff
[10:47] <HazRPG> apparently not
[10:47] <HazRPG> !firefox4
[10:47] <HazRPG> :/
[10:48] <HazRPG> hmm, I can't seem to remember how to get rid of old kernels
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: system-janitor?
[10:49] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: not showing up on there
[10:49] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: was the first place I looked when I couldn't think of the command for it
[10:49] <MooDoo> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/need-to-remove-old-versions-of-ubuntu-kernel-466660/
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> reboot using the new kernel first
[10:49] <popey> cruft removal tool
[10:50] <popey> !info system-cleaner
[10:50] <popey> bah
[10:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I am... grub always loads the latest by default
[10:50] <shauno> I think the bot's just being awkward this morning
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: but do you reboot often? :)
[10:50] <X3N> !info cruft
[10:51] <X3N> popey: ^ ?
[10:51] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: whenever new updates come in play yeah :P
[10:51] <shauno> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=ff4   claims they're all in there, oddly
[10:52] <JagerMonkey> I just saw a doco called "Never Let me Go"
[10:52] <JagerMonkey> you brits disgust me
[10:53] <JagerMonkey> I can't believe you grow people for organ donation
[10:53] <HazRPG> is it bad that I smell some sort of solvent smell in my office right now?
[10:53] <HazRPG> smells like a sharpie...
[10:53] <HazRPG> yet I can't see any open, and is quite strong...
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: someone painting nearby?
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> don't light a fire..
[10:54] <HazRPG> actually... smells more like brown tape...
[10:54] <HazRPG> nope... found the source... >_<
[10:55] <HazRPG> apparently sis left a pot noodle next to her computer >_<
[10:56] <HazRPG> and she complains about my smoking :/
[10:57] <popey> o_O
[10:57]  * popey complains about HazRPG's smoking
[10:57] <MooDoo> +!
[10:58] <MooDoo> :)
[10:58] <DJones> shauno: !ff4 is in the main database for ubottu, I guess its not synced to the lubotu*'s yet
[10:58] <MooDoo> lol
[10:58] <X3N> haha
[10:59] <czajkowski> no more odd shaped ball meet ups
[10:59] <mungojerry> \o/
[10:59] <kazade> anyone know the shortcut in FF4 to the new panorama thing?
[10:59]  * MooDoo hides when czajkowski said that
[10:59] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[11:00] <mungojerry> o/             - - -O          \o
[11:00] <czajkowski> normality has been restored, MooDoo and davmor2
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude,  czajkowski missed you yesterday I think she needs some love
[11:00] <mungojerry> i can't believe i need to resort to building a driver disk to install redhat 6 :(
[11:00] <kazade> ah, ok CTRL+SHIFT+E
[11:01] <screen-x> mungojerry: floppy?
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: prod
[11:01] <mungojerry> screen-x: usb disk i hope
[11:01] <mungojerry> but still...
[11:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: and a kiss on the cheek
[11:01] <screen-x> mungojerry: that really would have been oldschool
[11:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: eh no
[11:01] <mungojerry> there is no floppy drive on the machine
[11:01] <screen-x> mungojerry: or do it with ipmi virtual media
[11:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ok prod prod prod prod
[11:01] <mungojerry> it's a network card driver i need to install :P
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: in death wish X
[11:02] <screen-x> mungojerry: ipmi virtual media presents a block device to the OS, so you can use it to install a network driver.
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm miles away, i told you she doesn't scare me
[11:03] <screen-x> mungojerry: I use it to install ifenslave/vconfig as they aren't included in the base install.
[11:03] <mungojerry> screen-x: sounds like a lot of work to prove a RHEL bug :P
[11:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: Her scares me keeps coming through Wolverhampton at the dead of night
[11:03] <screen-x> mungojerry: or less work, as it doesn't involve leaving my desk :p
[11:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: well put up a road block, no czajkowski's allowed
[11:04] <shauno> sounds like summat you'd see in The Sun :/
[11:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: she comes on the train it would just rail through an block
[11:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah that pesky cz>tab>
[11:06] <czajkowski> >:(
[11:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha don't think czajkowski won't of seen that cause you changed a character
[11:06] <czajkowski> :p
[11:06] <davmor2> told you so
[11:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: bugger....
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: think i'm going to have to become a prodding ninja....silent but deadly
[11:07] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you owe me a pint
[11:08] <czajkowski> shrup
[11:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes i do owe you one...and thanks for reminding m
[11:08] <MooDoo> me
[11:09]  * MooDoo makes a mental note to keep his mouth shut when bating czajkowski with regards to rugby :(
[11:10] <czajkowski> 7/8 times we've won :D
[11:10] <czajkowski> just sayin'
[11:10]  * MooDoo bows head in shame....
[11:10] <czajkowski> not sure theopensourcer has forgiven me yet
[11:11] <MooDoo> you only won because mike tindal wasn't playing....cough cough cough
[11:11] <MooDoo> let the excuses begin
[11:11] <MooDoo> lol
[11:11] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I really wouldn't go there if I were you :)
[11:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah good point
[11:12] <MooDoo> Congratulations to Ireland on thrashing England.... czajkowski was right and i was wrong.....
[11:12] <MooDoo> pah!
[11:12] <czajkowski> :D
[11:12] <czajkowski> if we only had a quote page
[11:12] <czajkowski> that would be there !
[11:12] <MooDoo> :p
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: Good a time as any to start one me thinks :D
[11:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush
[11:14] <shauno> does the countdown javascript thingie move between each release?
[11:15] <screen-x> Quotes http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/6TdnlUBGw5
[11:16] <shauno> keep finding sites that have out-dated countdowns.  I'd have thought if the url they're sourced from doesn't change, they'd be counting down to natty instead
[11:16] <screen-x> though the editability may be a slight floor.
[11:17] <popey> shauno: usually it is actually the same
[11:18] <shauno> hm.  just found a site that's sourcing http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/display.js   which is still excited about 10.04
[11:18] <popey> file a bug?
[11:19] <popey> against ubuntu-website, saying they should all link to the most recent?
[11:20] <Laney> WHAT! A! NICE DAY!
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski here you go! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Random_Quotes
[11:21] <dogmatic69> having an issue booting a box on ec2, anyone have some ideas? here is the sys log http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1109489176
[11:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: you know you said I should check computer-janitor... is it bad that when I type in "computer-janitor find" that the first thing it says is ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.58:/: ... etc
[11:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: :D
[11:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski: we can use that now
[11:24] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:24] <MooDoo> our own bash.org :)
[11:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's just comedy gold
[11:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: hopefully i'll not be the only one on it lol
[11:25] <davmor2> Ha!
[11:26] <czajkowski> I'm sure davmor2 will end up on there at some point
[11:28] <davmor2> No never, czajkowski on the other hand will be on there daily with threats of abuse or worse still niceties :D
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski nice?  lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha :)
[11:29] <czajkowski> oi I am nice!
[11:29] <czajkowski> well more or less most of the time , but mostly I am nice and I bring cake!
[11:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: we know you are :)
[11:31] <czajkowski> I should be a saint for putting up with yer malarky!
[11:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: all praise czajkowski
[11:32]  * gord ears perk up at the mention of cake
[11:34] <daubers> cake?
[11:35] <czajkowski> gord: daubers do ye have cake on highlight
[11:35] <czajkowski> cant be a wise move in this channel of all places!
[11:35] <gord> ... why would you mention cake if there is no cake... how cruel
[11:35] <daubers> czajkowski: I can hear cake fro over 10 miles away!
[11:36] <daubers> Will need to make cake for Oggcamp
[11:37] <screen-x> oggcamp :)
[11:37] <daubers> roughed out a design for video uploading magicness last night \o/
[11:38] <czajkowski> hmm now I want cake
[11:38] <screen-x> daubers: cool :)
[11:38] <czajkowski> this was not smart to talk about cake
[11:38] <daubers> May need to acquire some cameras though
[11:38] <screen-x> have any oggcamp details escaped?
[11:38] <davmor2> gord: I said czajkowski is evil but no-one would listen ;)
[11:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: not evil....just eviiiiiiiiiil :)
[11:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: with a little finger in the corner of her mouth
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: just what i was thinking
[11:40] <shauno> ah.  seems there isn't a release countdown for natty yet.  still, not sure the js should point to 10.04 :)  (yes, I did the bug thing)
[11:41] <daubers> screen-x: Might have done if popeys windows where transparent http://twitpic.com/4bydzq
[11:42] <popey> hehehe
[11:42] <popey> deliberate, that
[11:42] <mungojerry> shauno: are we counting down to beta 1 or the release though :P
[11:42] <daubers> Heh, I wondered when i saw it
[11:42] <shauno> mungojerry: no idea, I do LTS :)
[11:43] <mungojerry> laughs at popey and humphreybc's twitter convo
[11:43] <screen-x> daubers: hadn't seen that ;-)
[11:43]  * bigcalm is easily pleased
[11:43] <popey> :)
[11:44] <HazRPG> microding dinged :D
[11:44] <bigcalm> Nice when somebody with lots of followers but follows few people themself then starts following you
[11:44] <mungojerry> can't parse that sentence,...too many follows
[11:44] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:44]  * shauno follows bigcalm's followers
[11:45] <bigcalm> shauno: lot of spam bots in that list, have fun :)
[11:45] <mungojerry> notes that his twitter account is not twitter.com/mungojerry
[11:45] <shauno> I'm fairly neurotic about pruning those
[11:46] <bigcalm> I let them follow, it's not showing up in my feed
[11:46] <shauno> I like to keep a tidy house.  and besides, the 'report spam' button blocks them too, so you can do everyone else a favour with no extra steps :)
[11:47] <bigcalm> Unless they have spammed me, who am I to say that they are a spammer?
[11:48] <HazRPG> huzzah! I fixed a dishwasher that's been broked for about a year now :D
[11:48]  * bigcalm cracks up with http://www.explosm.net/comics/2362/
[11:48] <davmor2> mungojerry: I keep seeing your nick and hear Summertime
[11:48] <bigcalm> SFW for a change :)
[11:49] <mungojerry> davmor2: even in winter?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: rofl :)
[11:49] <mungojerry> should change my nick at some point
[11:49] <HazRPG> davmor2: heh, that's what I said to him the first time I saw it too :P
[11:49] <mungojerry> the artist formerly known as mungojerry
[11:49] <davmor2> mungojerry: it won't fit as a nick :(
[11:50] <mungojerry> mungo jerry was the name i used to use for filling in forms that i didn't want to give my name on
[11:51] <shauno> tafkamj .. catchy
[11:51] <mungojerry> would need to change nick before turning up to an irl event
[11:51] <mungojerry> would feel like a goon saying, you might know me as mungo jerry
[11:51] <MooDoo> mungojerry: irl event?   shudder :)
[11:51] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:51] <shauno> or just don't tell anyone who you 'really' are and confuse the life out of them :)
[11:52] <HazRPG> mungojerry: heh, I use to use a name generator to do the same effect for such forms
[11:52] <mungojerry> bgates, bobmarley, themajesticstevejobs, monkeyballmer...
[11:53] <HazRPG> someone actually went to the trouble of subscribing "Mr F The Bear" to readers digest to my dad's house once
[11:53] <HazRPG> amused us no end :P
[11:53] <davmor2> mine came from Suse Linux 6.3 it said for a recommended nick use 3 letters from your first name 3 letters from your surname and a number
[11:53] <mungojerry> i had a housemate who used the name Paul Ants to subscribe to spurious material
[11:54] <HazRPG> was even more amusing when they tried to bill us for it too
[11:54] <MooDoo> we used to use 6 of the surname and 1 of the christian, b oldknow
[11:54] <MooDoo> :D
[11:54] <shauno> picked mine because soneil confused soneill, and vice versa :/
[11:55] <HazRPG> davmor2: most schools do that scheme too, so my mate is called "coophi"
[11:55] <mungojerry> does freenode allow multiple nicks to one account?
[11:55] <shauno> almost got away with it, until we ended up in the same conversation
[11:56] <HazRPG> mungojerry: it does :)
[11:56] <shauno> services supports it.  I don't know if it's frowned upon at all
[11:58] <dogmatic69> did anyone have some ideas? lost internet and logs are old
[11:59] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: ideas?
[11:59] <dogmatic69> > having an issue booting a box on ec2, anyone have some ideas? here is the sys log http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1109489176
[12:00] <MooDoo> ah sorr
[12:00] <MooDoo> sorry
[12:00] <dogmatic69> i need to press 's' :/
[12:02] <shauno> I'd be tempted to try #ubuntu-server.  you might need to wait until a time that's a bit more EDT-friendly, but there's a good handful in there that seem to spend an unhealthy amount of time with amazon hosts
[12:02] <screen-x> dogmatic69: could you shut it down, edit the fstab, then boot it up again without that filesystem?
[12:02] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i would if i knew how
[12:03] <dogmatic69> dont know how i can edit the files without ssh'ing into it
[12:03] <screen-x> dogmatic69: I don't know either, can you mount the root fs on another box?
[12:03] <screen-x> or boot into some sort of recovery environment
[12:03] <dogmatic69> nope, its not ebs
[12:06] <oimon> irc is confusing sometimes...pidgin settings more so
[12:07] <moreati> oimon: no argument there
[12:16] <oimon> ooo its the budget today
[12:16] <MooDoo> oh great
[12:18] <dogmatic69> \o/
[12:19] <MooDoo> good job i don't smoke or drink much isn't it :)
[12:19] <MooDoo> they are bound to go up
[12:20] <dogmatic69> :/
[12:20] <oimon> yeah, and single-income families will get rodgered as usual
[12:25] <MooDoo> we'll see in 5 mins eh!
[12:27] <oimon> i like that canonical are looking at and responding to top brainstorm entries - seems like a wealth of market research in there that is waiting to be tapped in order to make the product better
[12:27] <davmor2> oimon: you think that's confusing you should try empathy for irc muhahahahahahaha
[12:28] <popey> haha I read "single-income" as "single-malt" :)
[12:28] <oimon> popey: not sure whether to lol or cry at that
[12:28] <popey> :)
[12:29] <popey> oh you're mungo
[12:30] <MooDoo> lets see what's new in ubuntu uk minecraft map land
[12:30]  * oimon is the artist formerly know as mungojerry
[12:31] <oimon> decided i should change to my real nick
[12:34] <screen-x> \o oimon
[12:34] <MooDoo> oi oimon :)
[12:36] <oimon> you'll probably see a lot less of me when they finish refurbing my offices. i tend to type in irc while there's drilling on and it's impossible to work :P
[12:39] <HazRPG> so from mungojerry you went with oimon :P
[12:39] <oimon> HazRPG: yep
[12:40] <HazRPG> cos that's not confusing
[12:40] <oimon> it's consistent with my username on ubuntuforums :P
[12:40] <HazRPG> heh makes sense I guess
[12:41] <oimon> wow redhat beta 6.1 out already
[12:42] <davmor2> one nick to rule them all and in the darkness bind them
[12:45] <HazRPG> is there a way to merge several pdf's together?
[12:46] <HazRPG> easily I mean
[12:46] <oimon> HazRPG: pdf-shuffler or pdftk on the command line
[12:47] <dogmatic69> what is the difference between doing "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdf" and "yes | mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdf"
[12:48] <HazRPG> oimon: ooo perfect, much thanks :D
[12:49] <directhex> pdfmod?
[12:50] <screen-x> dogmatic69: run "yes" to see what it does
[12:50] <dogmatic69> :(
[12:51] <screen-x> dogmatic69: so the idea of that pipe, is preumably to answer y to all questions.
[12:52] <dogmatic69> oh
[12:52] <oimon> mkfs doesn't ask questions though does it?
[12:52] <dogmatic69> no
[12:53] <screen-x> so theres no point in piping yes into it..
[12:53] <oimon> glad we sorted that out :)
[12:53] <dogmatic69> hehe
[12:54] <HazRPG> oimon: ooo, even better it crops them too! That'll come in handy for the one I'm about to work on :D
[13:05] <daubers> DATACENTERS ARE NOISY
[13:05] <directhex> YES THEY ARE. UNLESS YOU TURN OFF ALL THE COMPUTERS AND AIRCON
[13:05] <daubers> PARDON?
[13:05] <directhex> TURN OFF ALL THE AIRCON
[13:06] <daubers> THE WHAT?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> THE AIR CON DITIONING
[13:06] <daubers> :p
[13:07]  * daubers waits for files to copy so he can leave again...
[13:07] <popey> EGG NISHNER
[13:07] <popey> (best said in Aussie accent)
[13:09]  * daubers leaves
[13:09] <dogmatic69> \o/ got the box working
[13:15] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone
[13:16] <alexander2222222> evening
[13:16] <brobostigon> hi alexander2222222
[13:44] <bigcalm> Anybody else having trouble with skype today?
[13:45] <popey> nope
[13:45]  * bigcalm hisses at VM
[13:46] <bastubis> have trouble with skype every day ;)
[13:47] <bigcalm> It's not good when you (company) pays for their services and relies upon them for business communications
[13:47] <bastubis> seems to work ok on Windows but has always sucked on Linux
[13:48] <dogmatic69> is it wrong to have pub keys for one server to ssh to another?
[13:49] <dogmatic69> like if person hacks one server, they then have access to everything
[13:49] <bigcalm> It all depends upon how much you trust that server
[13:49] <screen-x> dogmatic69: you can have a pub key that requires a password
[13:49] <dogmatic69> hmmm
[13:49] <bigcalm> screen-x: which defeats the point of using keys with ssh imo
[13:49] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:49] <screen-x> bigcalm: not if you use an agent
[13:50] <dogmatic69> then you cant automate things
[13:50] <dogmatic69> agent?
[13:50] <popey> i have a key on a box which needs no password
[13:50] <bigcalm> putty
[13:50] <popey> and lets you ssh as root to numerous boxes :(
[13:50] <dogmatic69> popey: im thinking like ssh to replication box from actual box etc
[13:51] <popey> yeah, i use it for rsync backups
[13:51] <dogmatic69> yip
[13:51] <AlanBell> do it in the direction that doesn't need root
[13:51] <popey> its not ideal
[13:51] <screen-x> dogmatic69: http://unixwiz.net/techtips/ssh-agent-forwarding.html
[13:51] <AlanBell> so on the machine being backed up the root account can log on to the backup server as a normal user
[13:51] <popey> the box is not accessible
[13:52] <popey> its an option
[13:52] <popey> but i prefer it this way round
[13:52] <dogmatic69> all ssh to 'web boxes' are with pw's from the office, and there is no pw logins. running fail2ban on every server
[13:53] <popey> tempted to kensington the server to something substantial
[13:53] <dogmatic69> backup box(es) have no external ip's
[13:53] <AlanBell> also, if the boxes that backup dial in then compromising the server doesn't compromise all the other boxes at once
[13:54] <Myrtti> I've never had any other problems with Skype other than it's a CPU hog
[13:56] <dogmatic69> also on all the ec2 instances 'sudo xyz' does not ever require a pw
[14:01] <Myrtti> czajkowski, HazRPG: O'Reilly Ebook deal of the day has been extended, so if you don't mind an ebook for Cooking for Geeks, it's -50% still for a while
[14:06] <Myrtti> the what what what
[14:06] <Myrtti> Audible has Cliffsnotes version of books?!?!?!?!?!
[14:06] <czajkowski> Myrtti: thank you
[14:06] <Myrtti> I thought abridged versions were bad enough
[14:07] <Myrtti> czajkowski, HazRPG "Enter code DDJPN in the O'Reilly cart." http://oreilly.com/store/dd-jpn.html
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> if you have it you can also get 40% off the print edition
[14:11] <dwatkins> brobostigon: hooray for 10.10 - my wifi works fine now :D
[14:11] <brobostigon> dwatkins: :)
[14:12] <Myrtti> hm, I could buy more Craft: magazines...
[14:12] <dwatkins> I like Make: Magazine
[14:13]  * MooDoo has just bought a peppa pig magazine
[14:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] usb-creator in suse; accessibility in Qt, it speaks! - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4401
[14:13] <dogmatic69> can anyone see what is missing? tried to add a background to the host part and now seeing some uft8 char at the end
[14:13] <dogmatic69> ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\[\033[41m\033[01;31m\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
[14:13] <brobostigon> ok, idea, as my gpu lockup bug seems to be caused by xserver-xorg-video-intel, cant i just soecify inside xorg.conf to use vesa, and be done with it. this is in natty?
[14:14] <dogmatic69> does -> ubuntu@<hostname>:~$
[14:14] <dogmatic69> hmm... does not actually have [\0x01] but a block with dots in it
[14:15] <AlanBell> brobostigon: yes, you can create an xorg.conf and it will use it if it is there
[14:15] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i have made a basic xorg.conf, could you give it a check please.
[14:16] <brobostigon> AlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584295/
[14:17] <AlanBell> ok, does it work?
[14:17] <brobostigon> AlanBell: no idea, not tried it yet, i justhad the idea.
[14:17] <AlanBell> actually 1024x600 isn't a vesa resolution
[14:18] <brobostigon> so i need to change that to a lower value?
[14:18] <AlanBell> it might work
[14:19] <AlanBell> dunno, give it a try, if the bios reports the modes properly it could work
[14:19] <brobostigon> AlanBell: what if i dont specify anything at all, will it just default its resolution?
[14:20] <dwatkins> I think it's time to get an HDMI cable for my TV, I want Ubuntu in 1920x1200 :D
[14:21] <dwatkins> oops, 1920x1080
[14:21] <AlanBell> it will try and do the right thing, and it will record it's attempts in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:23] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, i will comment that line out, and see what happens, i think.
[14:25] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, thank you for yourguidance.
[14:26] <smittix> Afternoon
[14:28] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:30] <dogmatic69> o/
[14:30] <s-fox> o/
[14:30] <bigcalm> Morning
[14:30] <MooDoo> s-fox: hola
[14:30] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo
[14:31] <MooDoo> s-fox: how are you this fine day?
[14:38] <screen-x> it is a fine day, warm enough to be drinking squash, except I just smashed my glass.
[14:39] <brobostigon> zilch.gdm wouldnt even start.
[14:39] <MooDoo> pah i'm at work so can't drink
[14:39] <screen-x> MooDoo: you aren't allowed to drink at work?
[14:40] <MooDoo> screen-x: alcohol no, tea, coffee coke yes :)
[14:41] <screen-x> yeah, squash isn't generally alcoholic :)
[14:43] <brobostigon> AlanBell: it didnt even get to gdm.
[14:44] <AlanBell> brobostigon: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:46] <brobostigon> AlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/584303/
[14:46] <gord> whoever invented the slidey platform for your keyboard to go on with some desks is evil. i hate them so much
[14:48] <popey> brobostigon: what if you press CTRL+ALT+F7, do you see the gui there, hiding?
[14:49] <brobostigon> popey: i just cp *.bck ed xorg.conf and rebooted, so cant try that, didnt think of tht though,
[14:50] <popey> oh
[14:50] <brobostigon> renamed*
[14:50] <popey> cp?
[14:50] <popey> sorry, you moved your xorg.conf out of the way or copied it?
[14:50] <brobostigon> cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bck && rm xorg.conf
[14:51] <popey> ooooookay
[14:51] <bigcalm> mv not working?
[14:51] <popey> then you pastebinned the xorg.conf?
[14:51] <popey> er
[14:51] <popey> pastebinned the xorg.0.log ?
[14:51] <brobostigon> popey: pastebined above to AlanBell, the log.
[14:51] <s-fox> http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8175/c4ebdd12c74d4b3b929ecc6.png :D
[14:52] <diplo> Guys, need kernel devel package on a 10.10 server, any ideas on package name ?
[14:52] <brobostigon> popey: xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/584315/
[14:52] <popey> how odd, wonder why you get no GUI
[14:52] <popey> log looks okay
[14:53] <brobostigon> agreed
[14:53] <popey> brobostigon: what is this OS? is it some kind of funky thing?
[14:53] <popey> or a standard install?
[14:53] <AlanBell> [    27.388] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[14:53] <brobostigon> popey: it is a stander natty install,
[14:53] <AlanBell> don't think it is using the xorg.conf file you created
[14:54] <brobostigon> ;(
[14:54] <AlanBell> the log looks like it is loading the intel driver, not the vesa one you asked for
[14:54] <brobostigon> hmm
[14:54] <AlanBell> maybe put the xorg.conf inside the xorg.conf.d directory
[14:54] <brobostigon> ok, let me try.
[14:55] <AlanBell> and look at anything else that might be in there
[14:55] <brobostigon> ok, one moment.
[14:55] <screen-x> diplo: not sure what you mean, possibly linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[14:57] <diplo> Package seems to have been linux-kernel-devel on older versions
[14:57] <popey> 14:50:59 < brobostigon> cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bck && rm xorg.conf
[14:57] <popey> its not using xorg.conf at all
[14:57] <popey> there is not one
[14:58] <popey> it was moved out of the way
[14:58] <diplo> hmm seems it may be what you suggested now screen-x
[14:58] <diplo> :)
[14:58] <brobostigon> popey: i did that before i rebooted, to get things back to normal.
[14:59] <diplo> Hmm nope
[14:59] <screen-x> diplo: you can see the list of stuff it installed via dependency here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/linux-kernel-devel
[14:59] <diplo> VMware-Server wants location of the directory of C headers files that match my current kernel
[14:59] <popey> diplo: it should find that automatically
[14:59] <popey> diplo: where is it looking and what kernel you running?
[14:59] <popey> diplo: what does "uname -a" return?
[14:59] <diplo> 2.6.35-22-generic-pae
[15:00] <diplo> and it;s looking in /usr/src/linux/include
[15:00] <popey> thats dumb
[15:01] <popey> you could make a symlin to point /usr/srv/linux at the /usr/src/whateverthepathistotheheaders
[15:01] <popey> ?
[15:01] <brobostigon> AlanBell:10-evdev.conf  50-synaptics.conf  50-vmmouse.conf  50-wacom.conf  51-synaptics-quirks.conf
[15:01] <brobostigon> AlanBell: that is what is inthat dir.
[15:02] <diplo> Just tried full path to it ( can enter a different one ) but it still didn't like it
[15:02] <diplo> Will just see how it does work atm
[15:03] <AlanBell> brobostigon: ok, just chuck in the xorg.conf and give it a try
[15:03]  * brobostigon just realised, he hasnt had any lunch.
[15:03] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, interesting, i will try.
[15:04]  * brobostigon gets a whileworking lunch.
[15:04] <MooDoo> brobostigon: get lunch might free your mind a little
[15:05] <popey> FREE YOUR MIIIIIIIND!
[15:05] <popey> there's a song there
[15:06] <MooDoo> lol i was thinking matrix at the time :D
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIYpvlQP_s ?
[15:06] <screen-x> there's also a java mindmapping tool..
[15:07]  * popey points at MartijnVdS with his right hand whilst simultaneously raising his left index finger, tapping the side of his nose.
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm like SoundHound, but on irc
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: and worse
[15:07] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good idea, i think better, with food.
[15:08] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i've had food and want a kip :)
[15:08] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[15:09] <brobostigon> AlanBell: anything you want me to change from the xorg.conf i pastebinnned+
[15:09] <brobostigon> ?
[15:09] <smittix> popey: Didn't that guy from total recall say something like that?
[15:10] <popey> yes!
[15:11] <MooDoo> ooo forgot about that one
[15:11] <popey> TWO WEEKS!
[15:11] <popey> etc
[15:11] <smittix> heh
[15:11] <smittix> Open your miiiiiind
[15:12] <smittix> One of my fave movies
[15:14]  * smittix is bored.
[15:14] <exobuzz> yeh great film.
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> smittix: quaaaiiid
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> ?
[15:15] <smittix> I got fiiive kids to feed
[15:15]  * popey cuddles exobuzz
[15:15]  * popey wondrs if exobuzz is working on a natty release for joggler
[15:15] <popey> that would _rock_
[15:15] <exobuzz> "we hoped you enjoyed the ride" (or something)
[15:16] <exobuzz> popey, should be easy to do really although ill have to downgrade x.org most likely
[15:16] <exobuzz> i reckon ill have it out within 7 days after release
[15:16] <smittix> Johnny Cab
[15:17] <popey> dont fancy a beta release? :)
[15:17] <exobuzz> i guess i could
[15:17] <exobuzz> beta is end of this month ?
[15:18] <popey> next week, yeah
[15:18] <popey> if it's not too much effort
[15:18] <exobuzz> if i have the time ill do it
[15:19] <popey> did you _just_ add total recall to your wishlist?
[15:19] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/wishlist/253IVVZP6VTUC
[15:19] <exobuzz> need to get some time to get the stable xbmc4xbox out
[15:19] <exobuzz> i did yeh
[15:19] <popey> :)
[15:19] <exobuzz> hehe
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> the DVD? Not the bluray? :)
[15:19] <exobuzz> ive seen it a million times, but its worth having on dvd
[15:20] <exobuzz> naah dvd is ok for me
[15:20] <exobuzz> ill get blueray when its latest gen -1
[15:20] <exobuzz> -e
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> exobuzz: 8-)
[15:20] <exobuzz> plus, if i have the dvd, i feel less guilty pirating the h264 1080p rip
[15:20] <exobuzz> ;-)
[15:21] <smittix> heh
[15:21] <exobuzz> "thats for making me come to mars"
[15:21] <exobuzz> there was this great slideshow with music on the amiga with a total recall tune with lots of samples from the film
[15:21] <exobuzz> loved that
[15:21] <smittix> I think I remember that
[15:22] <smittix> Wasnt it a demo?
[15:22] <smittix> I used to love Amiga demo's
[15:22] <MooDoo> first amiga demo i saw had a bjork sound track
[15:22] <exobuzz> well demo coded. but not much more than a slideshow/scroller afair
[15:22] <smittix> Those and messing around in deluxe paint
[15:22] <AlanBell> brobostigon: go for it
[15:23]  * MooDoo still has devpac
[15:23] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, i have ready, will try, thank you.
[15:23] <AlanBell> what you are looking for is a different Xorg.0.log, that shows more lines starting with VESA than lines starting with Intel
[15:23] <exobuzz> actually there were more than one total recall demo..
[15:23] <exobuzz> MooDoo, i used to use that, but for demo stuff i prefered asmone
[15:25] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, letmekeep an eye.
[15:29] <smittix> I used to collect Loader mid's
[15:29] <smittix> how sad
[15:30] <exobuzz> naah..
[15:30] <exobuzz> its nice
[15:30] <smittix> ComicBakery - Instant Remedy was up there.
[15:30] <exobuzz> http://www.exotica.org.uk/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3ADemoDB&md=qsearch&qs=total+recall
[15:30] <exobuzz> (total recall amiga demos stuff)
[15:32] <brobostigon> wish me luck.
[15:36] <exobuzz> smittix, if you like computer music http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Special:Modland has a good collection
[15:36] <exobuzz> (i run the frontend, but the collection is managed by a swedish demoscener)
[15:37] <smittix> Thanks!
[15:37] <exobuzz> about 400,000 music mods in 300 formats (across lots of platforms)
[15:39] <oimon> what the? i just commented on an open redhat bug and suddenly it seems to have either disappeared or i am no longer allowed to view it. no security issues with the bug
[15:40] <AlanBell> oimon: maybe ask in #redhat
[15:40] <oimon> AlanBell: i could try...i wonder if they are friendly in there.
[15:45] <gord> unity passed 1000 revisions today \o/
[15:54] <bigcalm> Anybody here know Keir Whitaker?
[15:55] <popey> i dont
[15:55] <bigcalm> A PHP dev, I was wondering how well known he was
[15:56] <popey> aint not never heard of him
[15:56] <bigcalm> -1 + -1 + -1 = -1?
[15:57] <popey> -3
[15:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> me neither
[15:57] <screen-x> bigcalm: addition fail
[15:57] <bigcalm> Quite, so tripple negatives don't make a positive ;)
[15:57] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=-1+%2B+-1+%2B+-1
[15:57] <popey> hahah
[15:57] <bigcalm> HEh :P
[15:58] <smittix> oooh bluebird GTK theme is very nice
[15:58] <popey> exobuzz: you dont update your wishlist very often do you?
[15:58] <bigcalm> I should put a link to my wishlist on my blog
[15:59] <popey> i added beer to mine :D http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/29FWHGD2GAECA
[15:59] <popey> CPUs & Beer \o/
[15:59] <screen-x> wut no referral code?
[15:59] <bigcalm> popey: I added beer to mine, but nobody got me any :(
[15:59] <popey> :(
[15:59] <popey> wifey asked me last night what I wanted for birthday
[16:00] <popey> because relatives find me hard to buy for
[16:00] <popey> I keep saying "amazon wishlist!"
[16:00]  * MooDoo is having some studio lighting for my photography :)
[16:00] <bigcalm> Ah, that explains it.   Whatever happened to lidl and aldi? :p
[16:03] <bigcalm> gregoryfenton: Waitrose is so very much closer
[16:03] <gregoryfenton> We have a local morrisons, I spend a fortune in there :/
[16:03] <bigcalm> As much as I like Lidl, I dislike the checkout process
[16:03]  * popey hugs amazon
[16:04] <smittix> bah Aldi's Checkout is the worst
[16:04] <popey> i dont think i have ever been in lidl or aldi
[16:04] <smittix> The amount of times I have picked something up then put it back and walked out due to the checkout
[16:04] <gregoryfenton> Aldi: the person in front of you always buys 58 toilet rolls and 100 packs of sugar
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: amazon is great and on 2.2.1 of android there is an app for amazon uk at last Huzzah
[16:04] <popey> cool!
[16:05] <exobuzz> popey, should i update it more? there is only so much a man can want
[16:05] <bigcalm> I've just installed that app on 2.3.3
[16:05] <popey> heh
[16:05] <popey> exobuzz: too late :)
[16:05] <popey> smittix: whats wrong with the checkout?
[16:05] <exobuzz> popey, have you done something? :) oh wait. someone bought me something. was that you ?
[16:05] <bigcalm> popey: I hope you are never given the egg timer. The smell they give off is beyong horrid
[16:06] <gregoryfenton> for people thinking we are offtopic I reckon the tills are ran on ubuntu server :D
[16:06] <popey> :)
[16:06] <exobuzz> the boy in the striped pjs ?
[16:06] <popey> ya
[16:06] <smittix> popey: One person serving 100 people
[16:06] <popey> ahhhh
[16:06] <popey> bummer
[16:06] <exobuzz> that's very kind thanks :)
[16:06] <popey> np
[16:06] <smittix> And the other members of staff "acting" like they're stacking shelves
[16:06]  * popey hugs amazon prime
[16:06] <bigcalm> The egg poachers are ace though :D
[16:07] <popey> hmm, might remove that egg boiler thing tbh
[16:07] <popey> given I am quite capable of setting the timer on the oven to 00:04
[16:07] <bigcalm> What size camera is the gorillapod for?
[16:07] <bigcalm> I have the largest size for my DSLR
[16:08] <popey> my zi8
[16:08] <DJones> smittix: The thing I dislike about aldi is the way you take everything out of the trolley, put it on the conveyor & then it goes through the till before being dumped back into the trolley for you take away & pack into bags somewhere else
[16:08] <popey> hopefully
[16:08] <popey> oh, no bags?
[16:08] <popey> blimey, thats a bit odd
[16:08] <exobuzz> 4 min from cold or rolling boil ?
[16:08] <popey> i put them in boiling water
[16:08] <popey> although i have a joby gorilla pod for iphone4
[16:09] <popey> it's not as well made as I'd been led to believe
[16:09] <exobuzz> popey, have you seen that film btw ? i saw it at the cinema.
[16:09] <exobuzz> good flick.. i mean.. not a nice subject. but a great film
[16:09] <popey> no, not seen it yet
[16:09] <popey> wifey doesn't want me to get the condiment gun
[16:09] <DJones> popey: You get bags, but they don't give you time to pack into bags at the checkout, they don't have the big checkouts like normal supermarkets, after the checkout operator has scanned it, there's a space about 12" square for scanned goods
[16:09] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inspired-Gifts-Condiment-Gun/dp/B001FRNNNS/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2SLJT6F1GR1CX&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA
[16:10] <popey> haha
[16:10] <exobuzz> lol
[16:10] <exobuzz> nice thing
[16:10] <popey> waste of money of course :)
[16:13] <smittix> DJones: Yeah haha
[16:14] <oimon> somebody in front of me at lidl spilled a carton of milk. checkout girl has to clear it up while we wait
[16:15] <smittix> Sounds about right
[16:15] <oimon> i would have gone home but lidl do flavours of haribo you can only dream of
[16:15] <oimon> and their jaffa cakes are nicer
[16:15] <oimon> i've usually eaten most of my purchases by the time i'm home
[16:15] <smittix> I pop there for salad bags as they seem quite nice compared to anywhere else
[16:16] <smittix> And once they had cases of Old Peculiar
[16:16] <smittix> Which just had to come home with me
[16:17] <DJones> smittix: All of them?
[16:17] <smittix> DJones: If only
[16:23] <exobuzz> popey, btw its quite likely that unity 3d still wont work on the joggler.. the 2d one should, i hope the performance is better though as the 2d one felt slow when i tested an early version.
[16:23] <exobuzz> i guess the old/standard desktop will still be available
[16:24] <popey> unity 2d would be cool enough though
[16:24] <popey> nice big buttoned interface
[16:25] <exobuzz> i still use jolios here. im a sort of convert. still some glitches, but its pretty ok for the finger
[16:26] <oimon> what's the resolution on the joggler
[16:26] <exobuzz> 800x480
[16:26] <Myrtti> the amount of the royal wedding tat is amazing. How and Why on earth?
[16:26] <Myrtti> I mean - NAPKINS?
[16:26] <exobuzz> im waiting for the loo paper
[16:26] <oimon> exobuzz: same as my eee pc ..unity 2d sucks a bit on it
[16:27] <Myrtti> exobuzz: I'm waiting for the ryanair loo paper
[16:27] <oimon> Myrtti: lol
[16:27] <exobuzz> Myrtti, you can get a proper dispenser too http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3583943933_2d243694fb.jpg
[16:27] <Myrtti> the one with the CEO's face printed on it
[16:27] <exobuzz> yeh,. cant stand the guy also
[16:28] <popey> yeah, i still have jolios on mine
[16:28] <Myrtti> it was in their inflight magazine editorial - "in response to our competition on how to raise money instead of charging for loo visits, our favourite suggestion is the bog roll with our CEO's face on it. The plans for the WC charge have been scrapped for now..."
[16:28] <exobuzz> popey, aah. so you got the latest then (since they renamed to jolios)
[16:29] <popey> oh, no
[16:29] <popey> didnt realise there was a name change
[16:29] <popey> I'm just using whatever came on it and got automagically updated
[16:29] <exobuzz> aah yeh.. if it updates you lose the auto login and need to reset the config. you might want a new image to get the kernel updates also
[16:29] <exobuzz> (performance etc)
[16:30] <popey> when was this?
[16:30] <exobuzz> http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/
[16:30] <exobuzz> 12/13 march was last update
[16:30] <exobuzz> 11/13
[16:30] <popey> oh oh
[16:30] <popey> I am an idiot
[16:31] <popey> you are talking about jolicloud/jolios
[16:31] <exobuzz> yeh
[16:31] <popey> for some reason my brain made "joliOS" == "the original image that comes on the joggler"
[16:33] <exobuzz> heh
[16:33] <popey> so, i booted original joggleros :)
[16:34] <oimon> jogglers are still > 50 quid on eeeebay
[16:34] <Myrtti> awww... it's snowing again :-<
[16:34]  * DJones looks out of the window at the bright blue sky
[16:35]  * screen-x also has blue sky
[16:35] <exobuzz> popey, try xbmc on latest jolicloud/jolios :)
[16:37]  * oimon has blue sky with a bit of smog
[16:37] <exobuzz> i use xbmc a fair bit with iplayer in the bedroom
[16:37]  * oimon wanted a joggler but wants a cheap android tab instead
[16:37] <exobuzz> also i listed to ubuntu uk podcasts on it
[16:37] <oimon> for playing with while mrs oimon watches poirot
[16:38] <exobuzz> oimon, ive seen some go for £50.. can still get em for £50 on private forum sales
[16:38] <oimon> you can buy 10 broken ones for 99£
[16:39] <oimon> £199 actually
[16:40] <exobuzz> heh
[16:40] <exobuzz> probably all fried from people plugging in the wrong power supply
[16:40] <exobuzz> seems a common mistake
[16:40] <oimon> jolios looks like it was made for joggler really
[16:41] <oimon> jogglios
[16:41] <exobuzz> heh
[16:41] <exobuzz> shame they dont include a keyboard etc
[16:42] <oimon> bluetooth?
[16:42] <exobuzz> maybe they could hire me to help.. id love to play with linux for a living
[16:42] <oimon> exobuzz: http://litl.com/
[16:42] <exobuzz> yeh can use wireless/bluetooth, but they should ship with florence or something as i do.
[16:43] <exobuzz> oimon, an expensive joggler?
[16:43] <exobuzz> looks nice. whats the specs ?
[16:43] <exobuzz> oh. its a netbook folding thing
[16:43] <exobuzz> i missed that..
[16:43] <oimon> netbook doubles as a joggler, nice looking linux based OS too
[16:44] <exobuzz> decent specs.
[16:44] <exobuzz> doesnt say what gfx probaly just intels onboard
[16:44] <screen-x> mmm, chrome beta for linux now has the cloud print proxy, but you have to enable it in about:flags, then in settings.
[16:44] <exobuzz> oimon, yeh it looks nice.
[16:45] <oimon> also has IR receivers, HDMI
[16:46] <exobuzz> yeh. at first glance i thought it was pricey but its quite ok for the specs..
[16:46] <exobuzz> but it might be like apple dollars
[16:46] <exobuzz> $399 = £399 or so ;-)
[16:48] <Myrtti> http://www.tampere.fi/live/webkamera3.jpg :-<
[16:48] <oimon> Myrtti: that's not right
[16:48] <Myrtti> yeah, it's not, it's snowing a lot more here
[16:49] <gord> its 17 degrees here - glad for winter to be over
[16:50] <Myrtti> I'd be alarmed if it were any warmer than +5 here :-D
[16:51] <oimon> Myrtti: has it stopped being dark all day yet?
[16:52] <brobostigon> i found a solution,/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf
[16:52] <brobostigon> no xorg.conf at all.
[16:52] <brobostigon> i just need to tweak the resolution.
[16:53] <Myrtti> oimon: sure it's called "vernal equinox"
[16:55] <popey> "Since we last spoke 18 user(s) stopped following you on Twitter;"
[16:55] <Myrtti> popey: lol :-D
[16:55] <popey> qwitter :)
[16:57] <popey> most are spammers tbh
[16:57] <oimon> i went to a meeting earlier and 4 people were wearing what i can only describe as red/white striped friendship bracelets...what this means?
[16:58] <oimon> ah...In Bulgaria there is a tradition called Martenitsa, which sometimes involves tying a red and white string around the wrist to please Baba Marta in order for spring to come sooner.
[16:58] <oimon> seems contagious
[17:01] <Myrtti> time for a new dose of cough medicine, I'm afraid I'll pop a vein when coughing
[17:05] <screen-x> oimon: were you in Bulgaria?
[17:05] <oimon> screen-x: no!
[17:05] <oimon> but all it takes is one bulgarian colleague :P
[17:06] <screen-x> Heh, just got a call arranging a second stage phone interview. That means 1) The first one wasn't as bad as I thought. 2) I have to go through it all again
[17:09] <oimon> screen-x: great news :)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Call doctor, ask for valium ;)
[17:12] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: that may be necessary..
[17:12] <bigcalm> Damn you Butterkist for being so moreish
[17:13] <bigcalm> Shouldn't have gone to Waitrose
[17:13] <exobuzz> hehe
[17:15] <bigcalm> Came back with 2 tubes of pringles (on offer), 2 packs of fingerellas (on offer), pack of 4 Wispas, big bag of Butterkist toffee popcorn, box of tea bags and 4 bananas
[17:15] <screen-x> \o/ fruit
[17:28] <MooDoo> hello/away brb
[17:28] <brobostigon> thank you for your help chaps and gals,i think i have it. lets see if the bug has gone or not.
[17:28] <MooDoo> oops
[17:53] <screen-x> I have a managed switch which is dropping TX packets, but not RX packets. The worst offenders are in LAGs, and have dropped ~150K packets :( Any ideas why that could be?
[18:12] <andatche> anyone in here use Zen for internet access?
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> Zen?
[18:17] <andatche> an ISP in the UK
[18:18] <andatche> having a routing issue from a new IP range from them, was after a couple of traceroutes from another customer on a different range
[18:29] <s-fox> TTFN
[18:35] <daubers> Evening
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:40] <mgdm> 'sup
[18:48] <BigRedS> Is there anything normal-desktop left that works on 386 but not amd64?
[18:51] <directhex> adobe flash, latest versions thereof
[18:51] <directhex> games
[18:52]  * MartijnVdS likes his fingerprint reader working
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> (that's the last thing in this laptop to work :))
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> only 2 "evil" drivers (fingerprint reader and Gobi 2000 3G)
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Thanks for the great idea (Cooking for Geeks) :)
[18:55] <BigRedS> Ahh, so old flash still works?
[18:55] <BigRedS> discussion at work - my amd64 debian laptop does everything I ask of it. but it's probably using flash from about 2002
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> latest flash works fine for me
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> on amd64
[18:55] <BigRedS> Ah, cool. It's for a work PC, so I shouldn't be doing much with flash anyway
[18:56] <directhex> MartijnVdS, gobi2000 is reliable?
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> directhex: sometimes it doesn't come up on boot, but if it does (90% of the time) it works fine
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> directhex: and when it doesn't come up, restarting the udev job fixes that
[18:56] <directhex> MartijnVdS, not just me then
[18:57] <HazRPG> \o
[18:57] <BigRedS> i've never seen the point in a working fingerprint reader on a laptop
[18:57] <HazRPG> I've got toffee ice cream :)
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> directhex: you have the same issue?
[18:57] <BigRedS> it's a fingerprint reader right next to ~100 impressions of your fingerprint
[18:57]  * HazRPG *nom nom nom*
[18:57] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes
[18:57]  * nperry wonders if ubuntu is missing out...
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I remember tweaking the udev bit to work better
[18:58] <nperry> Fedora have a "test printing day" :/
[18:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm, I could have sworn Myrtti said it first today about that book
[18:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: (cooking for geeks)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: oh.. but I remember czajkowski saying something about the 50% off
[18:58] <HazRPG> ah
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Thanks for for the great book-idea too :)
[18:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I saw a post recently about some ubuntu related books for $0.99!
[19:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Granted, they're for the eBook version... and its from amazon... but I recall their site does a PDF version for the same price iirc
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Check if your gobi device is also in the backlist
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: When I buy O'Reilly ebooks, I prefer buying them from O'Reilly (because then I get epub, PDF and some other formats)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> directhex: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules
[19:02] <directhex> cat: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules: No such file or directory
[19:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o/
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> directhex: modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-qdl-device-blacklist.rules
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> modemmanager                          0.4+git.20110124t203624.00b6cce-0ubuntu1
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ^ (running natty)
[19:03] <directhex> MartijnVdS, this is maverick
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> the bug was fixed then :)
[19:12]  * BigRedS grumbles about ubuntu's insistence on a swap partition
[19:14] <HazRPG> BigRedS: what's wrong with that?
[19:15] <BigRedS> HazRPG: I don't want one. It just seems a waste of a logical partition when we're limited to four, and serves no great purpose that a swap file can't do neater
[19:16] <HazRPG> BigRedS: Hmm, I think you have your terms mixed up there... you can have as many logical partitions as you want, you can have only 4 primary partitions however
[19:17] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: you're welcome
[19:17] <HazRPG> I tend to have 1 primary for windows, 1 primary for swap, 1 primary for /boot and then the rest are all logical (slash extended) partitions
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: except now I have the urge to buy lots of copies for friends' birthdays :)
[19:18] <BigRedS> HazRPG: yeah. That just seems more than it should be. I just don't get the advantage of having swap as a separate partition
[19:18] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: you rickrolling again?
[19:18] <BigRedS> but this is an old rant of mine that's going to start boring people here shortly, I fear :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: no, "Cooking for Geeks"
[19:19] <mgdm> ah :)
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: but I like the way you think ;)
[19:21] <mgdm> hehehe
[19:28] <HazRPG> BigRedS: I'm pretty sure you can install ubuntu without having to make a swap partition
[19:28] <ali1234> you can
[19:28] <HazRPG> BigRedS: or at least you can with alt CD...
[19:29] <DJones> I would have thought if you don't specify a swap partition at install, (livecd or alternate) you won't get one
[19:31] <DJones> Hi duvelhedz How did you find the rugby supporters once you got to them at the weekend, was there much rugby involved, or was it all drinking
[19:35] <BigRedS> HazRPG: ah yeah. I always forget which one's which
[19:39] <smittix> Sticky Rib Pot Noodle
[19:39] <smittix>  /random
[19:42] <HazRPG> hmm, this is interesting...
[19:43] <HazRPG> apparently I can't open the browser and type a url on the kindle unless I register it with amazon... however if I click a link on an ebook, the browser opens up and starts downloading the site down... odd...
[19:43] <HazRPG> (note to self: Make a quick ebook with some useful links I *may* ever need to access on my kindle)
[19:43] <gord> surely all you need is google.com
[19:44] <smittix> What is google?
[19:44] <mgdm> Out of interest, why haven't you registered it?
[19:45] <HazRPG> mgdm: just intrigued how far I can take it without having to register it - that and I don't like to prospect of amazon being able to delete books I buy from their store at will
[19:46] <mgdm> That doesn't worry me hugely, since i can count on the fingers of one finger the number of times they've done that
[19:46] <mgdm> (at least that I'm aware of)
[19:46] <HazRPG> if I don't register it, then I don't have the urge to just simply buy ebooks left-right and centre on their site - I look for alternatives on other drm-free sites
[19:47] <HazRPG> mgdm: ah, the animal farm incident
[19:47] <HazRPG> I find that rather ironic, that the very thing the book tries to portray - and amazon pretty much proves it right
[19:47] <dutchie> would be better if it was 1984
[19:47] <Myrtti> yay for non-Kindle ebook readers ♥
[19:47] <mgdm> dutchie: it was both at the same time
[19:48] <dutchie> ah
[19:48] <dutchie> i knew it was orwell
[19:49] <HazRPG> Myrtti: what have you got, if you don't mind me asking?
[19:49] <HazRPG> also, indeed was both of them
[19:50] <Myrtti> HazRPG: Sony PRS-600
[19:50] <alexcockell> however, did they leave UK customers alone?
[19:51] <HazRPG> alexcockell: not sure? Although would be awesome if the british power of "I'll write a letter" stopped amazon from ridding us of the books
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I like my PRS-600, but other readers have better contrast
[19:52] <HazRPG> Myrtti: really? I thought Sony was worse with their DRM than anyone?
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: PRS-600 works great with drm-free ebooks :)
[19:52] <alexcockell> I think the copyright issue was more US-based....
[19:52] <gord> sigh, why doesn't constantly refreshing the amazon site make my order get dispatched quicker
[19:52] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: so does the kindle so far :P
[19:52] <HazRPG> granted, epub doesn't work much to my dislike
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: If you're in the Netherlands, it's hard to buy English-language e-books
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: "You're in the wrong country, we don't want your money"
[19:53] <Myrtti> HazRPG: depends on how you look at it, it's the bog standard Adobe one which doesn't really bother me after the device has been registered, after that it works with Calibre or just plain file managers just fine
[19:54] <Myrtti> the DRM isn't tied to an application transferring the book to the device, so it doesn't really matter after the device has been registered
[19:54] <HazRPG> same with the kindle if I recall...
[19:54] <HazRPG> if fact most of them don't mind
[19:55] <gord> you don't actually have to use the amazon web store :) honestly most of the books i have read on mine have been out of copyright, thus free to download from elsewhere
[19:56] <Myrtti> however I was limited in my choices by a) the nonexistence of Finnish kindle books b) nonexistence of any Amazon service to Finland at the time I made my purchase
[19:56] <HazRPG> gord: heh, same - got the complete asimov books on mine :)
[19:57] <gord> yeah, if you don't reside in the UK or the US, i wouldn't recommend a kindle
[19:57] <HazRPG> Myrtti: ah, that makes sense
[19:57] <Myrtti> besides, ePub is an open standard.
[19:58] <Myrtti> AFAIK
[19:58] <brobostigon> good evening everyone,
[19:58] <HazRPG> yeah ePub is open, Adobe has created a DRM for it too
[19:58]  * gord looks at all his assigned bugs, notes they all say Fix Committed
[19:58] <gord> think its time to call it a day!
[19:59] <HazRPG> so there are open ePub's and closed ePub's... but really I don't mind having DRM, as long as they just don't redact my purchases from me
[19:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good evening :)
[19:59] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good evening, :)
[20:00] <HazRPG> gord: and no refreshing the page won't make your delivery arrive faster :P - I've tried :P
[20:01] <HazRPG> tell you what, I'm hating the fact that its hard to find arabic eBooks :(
[20:01] <HazRPG> I want to download some arabic books, to practice my reading - because I feel like a 4yo when it comes to reading
[20:02]  * brobostigon has given up on 715096 getting fixed, and is using vesa.
[20:03] <HazRPG> Myrtti: ooo, I didn't realise the prs-600 was a touch screen :o!
[20:03] <gord> HazRPG, but its *very* important that my nintendo arrives on time!
[20:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: thank god that said vesa and not vista (as I originally read that!)
[20:03] <gord> amazon don't seem to understand quite how important
[20:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: phew, :)
[20:03] <HazRPG> gord: :P
[20:04] <HazRPG> gord: ordered the new 3DS by any chance? :P
[20:04] <gord> yes! and i own a mario hat so that means i should get it before everyone else.
[20:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i tried windows after windows 2000/nt4, and didnt like it much, really.
[20:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: envious, I didn't know any better until after XP :(
[20:05] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i began when i tried BeOS in the late 90's, and saw something so much more, than what i had,
[20:05] <HazRPG> made it my mission that if I ever have kids, that they shall know about linux :)
[20:06] <BigRedS> I think everyone I meet ends up knowing about linux
[20:06] <BigRedS> certainly anyone who sees me at a computer...
[20:06] <HazRPG> BigRedS: haha, same
[20:07] <brobostigon> HazRPG: iwould say, the freedom of FLOSS as a whole, rather than any speific system.
[20:07] <HazRPG> apparently one of the ways to annoy me is to dis penguins and linux according to friends and ex's
[20:07] <brobostigon> HazRPG: is what i would teach,
[20:08] <HazRPG> brobostigon: agreed
[20:08] <HazRPG> can't wait until ubuntu gets hacked for the kindle 3 :)
[20:08] <BigRedS> yeah, that's what I get told off for - ranting about software freedom
[20:09] <HazRPG> someone has already done it for kindle 2 iirc
[20:09] <HazRPG> BigRedS: heh, my ranting and raving about software freedom got my higher marks than everyone else at college :P
[20:09] <HazRPG> they were teaching us aspx, and I refused point blank to use it and did it all in php...
[20:10] <HazRPG> despite being told I'd be marked down for it
[20:10] <kvarley> How can I add a domain name to my lamp install on my Ubuntu machine, I mean so people on my network can type http://randomname rather than my machines local ip address
[20:10] <kvarley> HazRPG: WIN :)
[20:10] <HazRPG> it got marked at college with one mark... and I got a higher mark when it went through the marking board
[20:10] <BigRedS> kvarley: add it to your hosts file
[20:11] <kvarley> BigRedS: Where's that? /usr/share ?
[20:11] <BigRedS> HazRPG: Ah. Uni disapproved of me using gnu's fortran compiler raher than whatever we were supposed to be using...
[20:11] <BigRedS> kvarley: /etc/hosts
[20:11] <kvarley> BigRedS: Thank you
[20:12] <HazRPG> BigRedS: heh, I got told off for using NetBeans for Java... and the following year, it was all that was installed on their machines ;)
[20:12] <HazRPG> serves them right for allowing me to do a HND and get placement at the college :P
[20:12] <BigRedS> the format os <ip address> <space-spearated-list-of-domain-names>
[20:12] <BigRedS> so you might add a line like
[20:12] <BigRedS> <IP_ADDRESS> randomname
[20:12] <BigRedS> for the abovce to work
[20:12]  * BigRedS can't type this evening
[20:12] <brobostigon> i used linux, persistant floppies all over, while at collage, everyone complained, other than my hardware engineering teacher,
[20:12] <HazRPG> in fact, I apparently saved the college loads of money by installing NetBeans on their system xD
[20:13] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[20:13] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o/
[20:14] <brobostigon> HazRPG: oh, and i forgot, qnx live floppies, aswell. :)
[20:14] <BigRedS> hah. actually, uni was also my introduction to winxp
[20:14] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I almost got marked down for C++ because I used an open-sourced compiler... the same code wouldn't compile in VC++
[20:15] <brobostigon> HazRPG: my hw engineering teacher, had never seen a live medium like that before.
[20:15] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thats crap, what, :(
[20:15] <mgdm> HazRPG: to be fair it's not *that* hard to make code compile in both... :)
[20:15] <mgdm> unless you're doing something odd
[20:16]  * brobostigon aplogizes for his language,
[20:16] <HazRPG> mgdm: the code error was for using system("pause>nul"); that was the only flaw in the code
[20:16] <mgdm> err...
[20:16] <HazRPG> brobostigon: heh, its fine... they were just retards
[20:17] <mgdm> there are better ways to do that in C++ :)
[20:17] <brobostigon> HazRPG: lol, ok. :)
[20:17] <HazRPG> mgdm: oh I know, it was only a rough program though
[20:18] <HazRPG> e.g. getch(); I think is another way of doing it
[20:20] <HazRPG> I was half tempted to use "read ...." etc, but I knew that defo wouldn't compile in windows
[20:25] <HazRPG> Myrtti: I'm slighly envious now... prs-600 supports memory cards!
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: both sd and memstick
[20:27] <Myrtti> HazRPG: inorite :-D
[20:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah, I was just generalising :P
[20:28] <HazRPG> I call all types of cards as just simply memory cards
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> Sure, but it has two separate slots
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> that's what I meant :)
[20:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah cool :)
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> so you could use 64G of SD and 64G of MS :)
[20:30] <HazRPG> hmm, I wonder what the battery life is like with audio...
[20:31] <Myrtti> the audioplayer is horrible
[20:31] <Myrtti> sadly
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> I haven't even tried it
[20:31] <HazRPG> Myrtti: :)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> the drawing thingy creates svgs
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> (with some sony-proprietary tags mixed in, but it's still svg)
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> but it's mostly novelty
[20:32] <HazRPG> I think the kindle does svg too
[20:32] <HazRPG> was messing with settings in calibre
[20:32] <HazRPG> and the kindle was reading the books fine
[20:34] <Myrtti> hm
[20:34] <Myrtti> might have just crashed chromium :-(
[20:34] <HazRPG> Myrtti: how you feeling today anyways? (recalls you saying you weren't feeling too good the other day)
[20:35] <Myrtti> booked nurses appointment for tomorrow, I'm short of breath a lot now and my coughing is fairly terrible
[20:37] <HazRPG> Myrtti: :(
[20:37] <HazRPG> Myrtti: hope ya feel better soon
[20:38] <Pendulum> Myrtti: I hope the nurse can help or get you to someone who can help ASAP. Be careful!
[20:39] <HazRPG> Myrtti: guessing you guys don't have a quedoc equivalent over there
[20:43] <Myrtti> the what?
[20:44] <HazRPG> Myrtti: like a 24 hour version of a doctor essentially, run by the NHS iirc
[20:47] <Myrtti> we do have a&e that takes non-emergencies (sudden illnesses etc) in, but I can wait until tomorrow, I'm not that desperate yet.
[20:47] <HazRPG> see what's what I think is odd, cos we have a&e too :/
[20:48] <Myrtti> some municipalities have their own systems for non-emergency-but-still-need-someone-to-look-at-this-right-now cases
[20:49] <Myrtti> our's has been consolidated with the uni hospital
[20:49] <popey> evening
[20:50] <brobostigon> evening popey
[20:51] <AlanBell> evening
[20:51] <mgdm> HazRPG: AKA "NHS 24" in England & Wales, and "NHS Direct" in Scotland?
[20:51] <daubers> o/
[20:52] <mgdm> Hi popey
[20:52] <daubers> mgdm: NHS direct is just the phone thing isn't it?
[20:52]  * AlanBell just got oauth working with twitter
[20:52] <czajkowski> I hate buses
[20:52] <czajkowski> I hate trains
[20:52] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[20:53] <mgdm> daubers: ah true - I've not come across a place that does it - though I've called NHS Direct and had a referral to a doctor
[20:53] <HazRPG> popey: evening squire
[20:53] <AlanBell> NHS Direct is great
[20:53] <HazRPG> daubers: it is
[20:54] <daubers> I've rang them and been put through to the Amvulance service :)
[20:54] <HazRPG> :P
[21:01] <jacobw> Is it possible to watch channel 4 online?
[21:01] <jacobw> (not 4oD)
[21:01] <HazRPG> wow, 8 more days until I make a fool of myself xD
[21:01] <jacobw> How so?
[21:02] <HazRPG> jacobw: chairing the next meeting
[21:02] <jacobw> I'm sure you'll do it well :)
[21:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: we are here to help and guide you, havea few practise runs before hand.
[21:03] <HazRPG> and they say internet-related stuff isn't as nerving as real-life stuff... lol
[21:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: go over into the meeting channel, and have some practice with the bot,
[21:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I've had a bit of practice with it, got notes on my kindle already for it ^^
[21:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: just more worried I'll say the wrong things more than anything
[21:05] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thats good, the more preperation, the more it will put you at ease. you cant say the wrong thing, we are very open-minded.
[21:06] <HazRPG> :)
[21:07] <HazRPG> my friends found it odd when they asked what I was up to one night and I said I'm writing some notes down for a meeting... they thought I was mental xD
[21:09] <HazRPG> cbx33: how's the book coming along?
[21:09] <HazRPG> cbx33: (realises he checked out the book a week ago, but forgot to commit the changes)
[21:10] <AlanBell> HazRPG: main thing with chairing a meeting (any meeting) is that you are responsible for the pace of the meeting, and not much else
[21:10] <AlanBell> you certainly don't have to lead the discussions or anything like that
[21:10] <HazRPG> ... guess there's one way of finding the answer to that, download the new changes :)
[21:10] <AlanBell> just make sure it is not rushed, and make sure that it doesn't drag on forever
[21:11] <popey> jacobw: yes
[21:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah, I sorta chaired meetings at college for my HND - mainly because I had the most experience with making websites
[21:11] <popey> http://tvcatchup.com/watch.html?c=4
[21:11] <popey> ^^^ channel 4 live
[21:12] <HazRPG> AlanBell: but half the time it was mainly me doing all the talking, and giving out jobs, and teaching them bits and pieces they didn't already know... so I felt more like a tutor than anything else
[21:13]  * Seeker` still remembers the epic 2 hour meeting that spawned mootbot
[21:14] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I'll try to see if I can keep it within the hour (or less), worst case scenario... I don't get asked to chair again :P
[21:15] <cbx33> hey HazRPG very well
[21:15] <cbx33> chcked it out recently?
[21:15] <HazRPG> no, only just remembered about it today
[21:15] <cbx33> trying to come up with a front cover :)
[21:15] <HazRPG> cbx33: doing the designs yourself?
[21:15] <cbx33> want a nice image
[21:15] <cbx33> yes
[21:16] <HazRPG> cool :)
[21:16] <cbx33> trying to think of an image that represents Git well
[21:17] <HazRPG> what sort of thing you thinking so far?
[21:17] <shauno> tony blair with a huge grin on his face.
[21:17] <cbx33> i dunno
[21:18] <dutchie> may be a bit UK-centric
[21:18] <cbx33> I like the front of Jono Bacons book on communities
[21:18] <cbx33> so some thing like that
[21:19] <HazRPG> ah, is that the one with the elastic bands?
[21:19] <HazRPG> I recall reading that at one point :)
[21:20] <HazRPG> I really like the Keir Thomas book cover's he does
[21:20] <dutchie> is that the one with the cat?
[21:21] <HazRPG> I was thinking the bonzi tree one... but yeah he has the cat one too
[21:21] <cbx33> yes the elastic bans one
[21:22] <cbx33> got a link to the other one
[21:22] <HazRPG> his new one has a spanner, and one that has like a package on a trolley thing too
[21:22] <cbx33> the book is called git in the trenches
[21:22] <cbx33> so i need to think of something that fits with that too
[21:24] <HazRPG> well, here's one cover I found that has the word trenches in the title: http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x6/x31553.jpg
[21:24] <cbx33> hehehe
[21:24] <HazRPG> I was originally expecting to see books with men in trenches... but I guess you can play on the idea that its usually war related for the cover idea
[21:25] <cbx33> yeh
[21:25] <cbx33> which is unfortunate
[21:25] <HazRPG> so you could have like a rabbit with a helmet on or something
[21:25] <cbx33> i guess the question is - should I go for quirky
[21:25] <cbx33> or serious :)
[21:26] <HazRPG> considering the nature of the book so far (as far as I've read I mean), a quirky picture would fit more
[21:26] <HazRPG> maybe play around with how you'd envisioned your two characters to look like
[21:27] <HazRPG> and bring them to life on the cover
[21:27] <cbx33> yeh i considered a cartoon type line drawing on a white cover
[21:28] <HazRPG> something like this maybe: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12079/12079-h/images/353.png
[21:28] <HazRPG> but in a trench...
[21:28] <cbx33> yes was a thought of mine too
[21:28] <cbx33> or a funny little robot
[21:28] <HazRPG> perhaps with a computer screen embedded into the wall of the trench for extra quirky points :P
[21:29] <cbx33> haha
[21:29]  * HazRPG can't really draw well, but I do have an over-active imagination
[21:30] <HazRPG> ooo what was the computer show on TV called that use to show game previews back in the 80's and 90's!
[21:31] <HazRPG> I'm not thinking games master... it was the other one
[21:32] <HazRPG> with the random robot with TV's attached to it
[21:32] <brobostigon> heres an idea, my mum justtold me, when she went to see out family doctor today, out family doctor suggested i could be autistic.
[21:33] <brobostigon> our*
[21:33] <HazRPG> surely they would have worked that out years ago though?
[21:33] <brobostigon> bacuse of certain action, thinking and behaviour,
[21:33] <HazRPG> if you were autistic I mean...
[21:33] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i would tend toagree.
[21:34] <HazRPG> I would hate to see what a quack would call me :/
[21:34] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am already a depressive, and have personality disorder.
[21:34]  * dutchie pokes his interent
[21:34] <dutchie> internet
[21:34] <dutchie> go faster
[21:35]  * Azelphur also pokes dutchie's internet
[21:35] <Azelphur> be a good internet and I'll bring you a treat later.
[21:35] <brobostigon> lol
[21:36] <dogmatic69_> how do i pass a var to a bash function ?
[21:36] <HazRPG> argh... its going to bug me now...
[21:37] <dutchie> dogmatic69_: function arg1 arg2
[21:37] <HazRPG> I'm sure it was called "video games & movies" or something and use to show on ITV iirc
[21:37] <dogmatic69_> sorry, in the code
[21:37] <cbx33> HazRPG, i should recall that one
[21:37] <dutchie> er, like that?
[21:37] <dogmatic69_> ?
[21:37] <HazRPG> cbx33: so you'll know what I mean with the robot?
[21:38] <dutchie> dogmatic69_: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/functions.html
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> function(something_here){... no?
[21:38] <HazRPG> cbx33: you could use something like that for the book I guess
[21:38] <dutchie> dogmatic69_: no, bash is weird
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> ah
[21:39] <dutchie> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/complexfunct.html is what you want actually
[21:39]  * dogmatic69_ knows too much php
[21:39] <dogmatic69_> ok, so just use $1
[21:41] <brobostigon> HazRPG: to make it worse, i looked up what it autism is, and it made as littlesense as talking to me about psychology.
[21:41] <Hornet> anyone encountered a dry ice vendor?
[21:41] <Hornet> for small amounts that is, eg no minimum orders of 10kg etc
[21:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I knew a kid that was autistic... short answer is they basically react in social situations differently then other people normally would
[21:43] <HazRPG> something they find funny, might not be... etc
[21:43] <HazRPG> they'll laugh at inappropriate times, etc
[21:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that discribes me, definatly.
[21:45] <HazRPG> brobostigon: really? I wouldn't have said you were
[21:45] <HazRPG> they're also usually very polite, but can be very rude at times but don't mean to be
[21:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: in real life, are things different than here, ?. some people say to me, iwas talking to you, but you obviouslwasnt listening, otherwise you would have gave me a cuddle.
[21:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: but, my driving instructor said, she talks to me about things, and then i cut her off, to talk about my  IT issues.
[21:48] <HazRPG> I doubt that's autism, I mean i get distracted all the time, but I wouldn't say I was autistic
[21:49] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ifound out later, from someelse, i made her upset, because i hurt her feleings.
[21:51] <HazRPG> hmm
[21:51] <popey> 'autism' covers a lot of things really.
[21:51] <popey> there is a wide spectrum of affections
[21:51] <brobostigon> HazRPG: but i still dont understand wht it means, mind you, i havent done muchresearch.
[21:51] <cbx33> HazRPG, if you get anytime - would appreciate a look at the latest chapters :)
[21:51] <popey> my wife works with autistic kids all day in her job
[21:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: this video sort of recaps it down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbeyIG7Fz8s
[21:51] <brobostigon> popey: so mydoctor could be picking up on alot of different and wide rnding things.
[21:52] <Hornet> read 'the curious incident of the dog in the night time'
[21:52] <Hornet> I could post you a copy if you want, I'm rolling in them
[21:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: at the end of the day, don't take labels so literally... we're all still human at the end of the day and we all deal with things differently - its what makes us who we are :)
[21:56] <brobostigon> HazRPG: very true, i like, :)
[21:56] <smittix> tumblr seems to always be down :/
[21:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: labels are only there to help explain why each different type of human being acts or reacts, but again... no two people are truly the same
[21:58] <HazRPG> someone once told me "you know, I can't quite put a a label on you... your just like so many things rolled into one, from your dress-code down to your personally... you just don't fit into any of them"
[21:58] <HazRPG> she was studying psychology ironically
[21:59] <brobostigon> interesting,
[21:59] <HazRPG> no ones able to be able to put a label on me, so much so that people have started just saying "its a haz" lol
[21:59] <brobostigon> hehe, :)
[22:00] <HazRPG> if your doc/parents say your autistic... does it really matter? At the end of the day, your still the same person
[22:01] <Azelphur> ^ indeed
[22:02] <willy_1977> hello
[22:02] <Azelphur> that said a diagnosis can make life a lot easier :p
[22:02] <popey> hello willy_1977
[22:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: in the end, it doesnt matter, it only helps for me to help me, to understand myself better.
[22:02] <zleap> and if you tell people you are you are doing your self a dis-service, concentrate on telling people what you are good at,  people have their own ideas of what autism is,  and that idea sticks,
[22:02] <HazRPG> you don't need to change who you are, because that's what makes you YOU... and it's the person we all know here :)
[22:03] <gregoryfenton> sorry, just catching up the thread hazrpg, my son has Asperger's Syndrome
[22:03] <Azelphur> I've got Aspergers syndrome :)
[22:03] <willy_1977> popey: hiya
[22:03] <popey> gregoryfenton: I'd expect a significant proportion of people here have some degree of aspergers :)
[22:03] <zleap> popey, yeah i nrad something similar in the jagon file about that
[22:03] <zleap> read
[22:03] <gregoryfenton> popey true :)
[22:04] <zleap> more towards autism, i think,  it what makes hackers good at what they are good at
[22:04] <zleap> :)
[22:04] <HazRPG> gregoryfenton: hmm, have a said something wrong?
[22:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am who i am, an unemployed engineer, who had some physics interests.
[22:04] <gregoryfenton> not at all, I just alt-tabed back in and it caught my eye
[22:04] <HazRPG> ah
[22:04] <HazRPG> fair enough :)
[22:05] <gregoryfenton> s/tabed/tabbed/
[22:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: you'll get work dude, don't worry :)
[22:05] <brobostigon> who has*
[22:05] <Azelphur> HazRPG: a label can help though, both to understand yourself and to understand others better :p
[22:05] <HazRPG> Azelphur: yeah I agree, but you shouldn't let it become you though
[22:05] <Azelphur> indeed
[22:05] <zleap> i agree
[22:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: work doesnt truly matter (other thn money), i just want an interesting challange.in truth.
[22:06] <willy_1977> I think "the label" may help the individual certain labels applied to me have certainly clarified a few things :)
[22:06] <zleap> you may find that other hackers or true geeks actually understand you better,
[22:06] <HazRPG> because if you keep telling yourself you are something... you eventually believe it to be so and start either a) using it as an excuse, b) become more of what it is you think you are... and personally I just feel that's wrong
[22:07] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I see people using it as an excuse, it annoys me
[22:07] <popey> i would recommend professional assesment via your GP
[22:07] <popey> rather than assessment via irc
[22:07] <HazRPG> popey: me?
[22:07] <willy_1977> popey: oh crikey definitely...
[22:07] <Azelphur> popey: I'm properly diagnosed/statemented :p
[22:07] <popey> no HazRPG, we're talking about brobostigon
[22:07] <Azelphur> and govornment gives me free monies \o/
[22:07] <HazRPG> popey: iirc bro's doc is assessing it (family doc at least)
[22:08] <Azelphur> brobostigon: yea get a statement if you can then govornment gives you free monies \o/
[22:08] <popey> heh
[22:08] <brobostigon> popey: that is what i have madeappointment to do, and asked her to for me to see my old pychologist, i used to have,
[22:08] <popey> nice one brobostigon
[22:08] <Azelphur> :)
[22:08] <Azelphur> brobostigon: if you get a diagnosis, apply for Disability living allowance and maybe Employment and support allowance if you want
[22:09] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :), again like I said your still the same person regardless of what they say :)
[22:09] <brobostigon> popey: they both should be able to get enough together, to make a good assessment.
[22:09] <willy_1977> Azelphur: see when I see people using stuff as an excuse I feel the need to question why? it's not annoyance it's their coping mechanism after all...
[22:09] <popey> brobostigon: Azelphur speaks wise words :)
[22:09] <exobuzz> popey, for some reason (im not ruling out that pressies motivate me ;-) i started working on the natty release
[22:09] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[22:09] <popey> haha exobuzz
[22:09] <Azelphur>  brobostigonalso if your on housing benefits inform them that you are disabled it can get your rates increased
[22:09] <zleap> also if you have proper diagnoses then employers can't discriminate against you i guess
[22:09] <brobostigon> popey: he doesnt, as i dont want moremoney from our government, i have had enough already.
[22:10] <HazRPG> brobostigon: just think, you'll get the best parking spots too :)
[22:10] <popey> brobostigon: lots of positive stuff comes with the diagnosis like being given more time in tests/exams
[22:10] <Azelphur> willy_1977: yea, my dad continually uses it as an excuse, I no longer talk to him :p
[22:10] <brobostigon> popey: i didnt know, i see.
[22:10] <popey> brobostigon: you may not want it, but you should claim what you're entitled to
[22:10] <popey> thats why we pay our taxes
[22:10] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am having driving lesosns,