[00:00] <watsoncomputers>  gonna reboot again
[00:02] <watsoncomputers> ok I am at the UbuntuGnome menu screen under other options I have Expert mode, acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, edd=on, nodmraid, nomodeset, Free software only
[00:03] <manokara> nomodeset didn't work before, right?
[00:04] <watsoncomputers> I guess this is grub because I have no mouse just keyboard controls
[00:04] <watsoncomputers> I got a terminal window and then startx
[00:05] <watsoncomputers> at least I had some functionality of the desktop
[00:05] <watsoncomputers> you said start shell?
[00:05] <manokara> gnome-shell
[00:05] <manokara> instead of startx
[00:06] <watsoncomputers> ok let's see what that brings
[00:09] <watsoncomputers> Error: gdk_mir_display_open
[00:09] <manokara> oh noes
[00:10] <manokara> did it hang?
[00:10] <manokara> errors usually happen when booting
[00:10] <watsoncomputers> Faile to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[00:10] <watsoncomputers> Window manager error: Unagle to ope X display
[00:11] <watsoncomputers> back to prompt
[00:11] <manokara> :/
[00:11] <watsoncomputers> yea rall bummer
[00:11] <watsoncomputers> I don't see what's all the hype about gnome
[00:12] <manokara> it's the extensions, i guess
[00:12] <watsoncomputers> Well I'll never know about them at this rate
[00:13] <watsoncomputers> hehe
[00:14] <manokara> http://i.imgur.com/GHqAgwQ.jpg - a little of those extensions
[00:15] <manokara> network meter, translator, botto mdock
[00:15] <manokara> it's pretty customizable
[00:15] <watsoncomputers> I don't know If you watch Youtube but Logan of Tek Syndicate has a gnome desktop with games and video production software running three montors with Nvida cards
[00:16] <manokara> i do watch youtube, but don't know about that channel, hehe
[00:16] <watsoncomputers> And He just switched to Linux
[00:16] <manokara> i have a dual monitor setup with nvidia cards
[00:16] <manokara> steam, some games
[00:17] <manokara> once you get used to linux you don't want to leave it :)
[00:17] <watsoncomputers> Go to TekSyndicate.com and you'll see the video there too got a good forum going on there. But It's some high level stuff and GAMES
[00:18] <manokara> oh yea, GAMES \o/
[00:18] <manokara> not much of a gamer tho, just play casually
[00:19] <watsoncomputers> I am running Ubuntu-desktop on this machine and loving it. Gave the USB stick to a friend and he installed it dual boot on his windows machine right from the usb.
[00:20] <watsoncomputers> Now he's diving into ubuntu
[00:20] <manokara> awesome :D
[00:21] <watsoncomputers> Yea, but I think Unity is a challenge for his hardware he says it's a bit slow
[00:21] <watsoncomputers> so I was looking for lighter weight desktops
[00:21] <manokara> in my case I didn't like unity look very much, and it was very buggy in the past
[00:21] <manokara> maybe it is stable now
[00:22] <manokara> if you really want lightweight desktops and don't care too much about effects and such, lxde or xfce are good ones
[00:22] <watsoncomputers> Knock on wood 14.10 is working well on and AMD Fusion e351 cpu
[00:24] <watsoncomputers> my baby rig, I am building a multi-media production pc and Need a reliable desktop
[00:24] <manokara> i see
[00:24] <watsoncomputers> Maybe Unity is it or something else but I've only really seen 3 so far
[00:25] <manokara> maybe KDE
[00:26] <watsoncomputers> Krita, and kdenlive run on this box so I just wanted a lighter desktop if possible
[00:27] <watsoncomputers> Thing is If logan uses it then It must be the real shit, cause he already has Adobe and windows
[00:29] <watsoncomputers> And it's his full time job on youtube
[00:29] <manokara> it's all about hardware
[00:30] <manokara> when I went to the store buy the pieces for this box, I had to be very selective to see parts linux compatible
[00:30] <manokara> if I got home and it didn't work, well, it'd be bad :P
[00:31] <manokara> I had a Radeon 7790 first, bought a GTX 650 to use CUDA with Blender
[00:31] <manokara> but then, the cuda kernel doesn't compile
[00:31] <manokara> haha
[00:32] <manokara> but this card is more stable than the other one, so it's ok
[00:33] <manokara> i'm watching the vid now, that's a nice rig
[00:33] <watsoncomputers> I am very concerned with that too but I am committed to amd 970 chipset mb,  FX-9590 cpu, SSD's and at least 8T of HD storage. Two hot swappable drive bays
[00:34] <manokara> :o
[00:35] <watsoncomputers> Looking at Sapphire 8gig 970x Vapor X
[00:35] <manokara> i think i'll make some money selling games on steam and upgrade my box :P
[00:35] <watsoncomputers> That's a safe bet, like porn, games sell
[00:35] <manokara> yep
[00:35] <watsoncomputers> be an indi developer and make a name for your self
[00:36] <manokara> that's what i am planning
[00:36] <watsoncomputers> Logan promotes indi games alot
[00:36] <manokara> i went to 3 part time job interviews, and didn't pass in any of them :/
[00:36] <watsoncomputers> Join the forum
[00:37] <watsoncomputers> You may find some eger alpha testers on the linux forum
[00:37] <manokara> I wanted to make games for the 3 platforms, but I haven't had much success setting up a Mac VM
[00:37] <watsoncomputers> No worries mate, Go to www.workmarket.com and get a gig
[00:37] <manokara> that's because I have AMD cpu
[00:38] <watsoncomputers> you work for your self
[00:38] <manokara> hmm, it seems interesting
[00:38] <watsoncomputers> like linux, small learning curve to make yourself known
[00:40] <manokara> but I need to keep up to date with what's going on if I wanted to still be known
[00:40] <watsoncomputers>  but I have been paying the bills the last 4 yrs and it helps being indi to have something coming in you can count on even if it' like part time but pay's like full time.
[00:40] <manokara> what do you work with? games?
[00:41] <watsoncomputers> I do hardware integration, networking, windows obviously
[00:41] <watsoncomputers> don't know a lick of code
[00:41] <manokara> hmm, nice
[00:42] <manokara> I know some code but I need the will to actually finish something, hehe
[00:42] <manokara> the good and old procrastination
[00:42] <watsoncomputers> hey xauth: file /home/ubuntu-gnome/.Xauthority does not exist
[00:43] <watsoncomputers> I typed in --help after startx and got that before the usage screen
[00:44] <manokara> this doesn't seem critical
[00:44] <manokara> still nothing?
[00:46] <watsoncomputers> well I was looking to see what options if any I might have with startx
[00:47] <manokara> commonly one does it like this: startx -- :0 (or :1)
[00:47] <watsoncomputers> some I get -fs size -fi fontname
[00:48] <manokara> those two are for the raw X environment I believe
[00:48] <watsoncomputers> ok
[00:49] <watsoncomputers> let's try
[00:49] <manokara> i'll have to be afk for a bit, good luck there o/
[00:50] <watsoncomputers> ok thanks
[01:18] <darkxst> watsoncomputers, the live cd's dont use grub
[01:18] <darkxst> if you hit a key at the very first screen
[01:19] <darkxst> you should be able to select some boot options with one of the F keys
[01:20] <darkxst> possibly F6
[01:38] <watsoncomputers> Yes, I did f6 nomodeset and got a blank desktop but it had a number 3 in the upper left corner so using settings display I combined them and now have a functioning desktop
[01:39] <watsoncomputers> just getting use to moving around in it, I did find tweek tools
[01:40] <watsoncomputers> a lot to learn about moving  around
[01:40] <watsoncomputers> and the tweeks them selves
[18:10] <smallfoot-> Anyone working on getting GNOME Shell to work on Ubuntu?
[18:10] <smallfoot-> You can install the gnome-session-wayland package
[19:06] <ahoneybun> darkxst: hey who is the person who works on your guys slideshow in ubiquity?
[20:24] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else here running 15.04?  I'm having a randomly occurring issue where a window grabs focus and won't let go - the only way to get to a window behind it is to control + alt + arrow to another workspace and then alt-tab back into the original workspace.
[21:16] <Noskcaj> smallfoot-, Doesn't gnome-shell work now?
[21:45] <smallfoot-> Noskcaj, it did work some week ago when using Upstart. Then Ubuntu transitioned to systemd. Since then, I haven't gotten it to work.
[21:45] <smallfoot-> $ sudo apt-get install gnome-session-wayland
[21:46] <smallfoot-> $ gnome-session --session=gnome-wayland
[21:46] <smallfoot-> $ service gdm start
[21:55] <smallfoot-> Anyone can run GNOME on Wayland on Ubuntu 15.04 Vivid Vervet?
[22:11] <darkxst> smallfoot I'm not aware of any issues caused by the systemd transition
[22:13] <darkxst> smallfoot-, just select the "gnome on wayland" session from gdm
[22:50] <smallfoot-> darkxst, when I start Ubuntu (not Ubuntu-GNOME) what starts is LightDM
[22:50] <smallfoot-> However, I can type "service gdm start" to start gdm, but then GDM kinda freezes and i cant use it
[22:51] <darkxst> smallfoot-, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:52] <smallfoot-> thanks


[18:16] <SpamapS> ejat: hey are you still here in Orlando?
[19:06] <ejat> SpamapS: yeah ... im still here ...
[19:07] <ejat> hopefully will see ya in the juju session this evening
[19:13] <lynxman> hazmat: ping
[19:15] <ejat> lynxman & hazmat : u guys at UDS ?
[19:15] <lynxman> ejat: yes :)
[19:15] <ejat> hopefully can meet ya ! :P
[19:15] <lynxman> ejat: so... how do you look like? ;)
[19:16] <ejat> hmm .... specky with jeans short pan for today ..
[19:16] <ejat> im in bonaire2 now ... maybe see ya in juju session this evening
[19:16] <lynxman> ejat: oh definitely :)
[19:16] <ejat> a lot of thing need to be learn from u guys ..
[19:18] <lynxman> ejat: we're around in case you need anything, I'm in a blue polo with a black jacket :)
[19:18] <lynxman> ejat: right now in bonaire 7, next in bonaire 4 for a session I'm leading
[19:19] <ejat> ill be at ya session after this ..
[19:23] <lynxman> ejat: cool :)
[19:51] <hazmat> lynxman, pong
[19:55]  * ejat pokes SpamapS
[20:13] <SpamapS> juju session on config management right now at uds http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19431/servercloud-p-cfjuju/ join #ubuntu-uds-bonaire4
[20:21] <ejat-> 0/
[20:34] <marcoceppi> Weird issue with Juju deploy
[20:36] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/726691/
[20:37] <marcoceppi> This command was working yesterday, but stopped working this morning after adding a config.yaml
[20:38] <marcoceppi> Similar to what zematman was having
[20:59] <zematynnad> marcoceppi:  what was the error you were getting?
[21:00] <marcoceppi> Charm 'local:oneiric/tf2' not found in repository /home/marco/Projects/juju/charms
[21:00] <marcoceppi> zematynnad: Similar to the one you were getting, only this is during a deploy
[21:00] <zematynnad> marcoceppi: the problem I had may not be the same as yours but here's what fixed mine...
[21:01] <marcoceppi> I'm all ears
[21:01] <marcoceppi> or eyes
[21:01] <zematynnad> marcoceppi: I got rid of revision in the yaml file and put the revision in a revision file
[21:01] <marcoceppi> Hum, I don't have a revision in the yaml file
[21:01] <zematynnad> marcoceppi: the revision number has to be a regular integer 1, 2, 3 instead of 1.1 or something like that
[21:02] <marcoceppi> Right, the revision number in revision is 3 currently
[21:02] <marcoceppi> Maybe I did something wrong in the config.yaml file?
[21:03] <zematynnad> I'm not sure but probably what' happening is that the error message is a bit generic and there's some syntax error or typo somewhere that needs to be fixed
[21:06] <marcoceppi> Probably a syntax error in config.yaml
[21:06] <marcoceppi> I was just asking m_3 that
[21:12] <marcoceppi> Thanks zematynnad I'll take a look at the config
[21:13] <zematynnad> marcoceppi: good luck!
[21:55] <m_3> marcoceppi: is it a good time to work on steam?


[00:19] <soee> how can i add h264 encoder support for gstreamer ?
[01:47] <linuxuz3r_> hi
[01:47] <linuxuz3r_> when is the release of 14.04
[01:49] <k1l_> in april 2014
[01:50] <k1l_> for detailed date see release schedule in /topic
[01:55] <linuxuz3r_> ok
[11:10] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[13:25] <Rory> Is Trusty likely to include a version of Gstreamer 1.4, which is due to be released in March?
[13:32] <Daekdroom> March is most likely too late.
[15:49] <fashun> I need help just instlled ubuntu 14.04 9 feb daily image but cant find the grub. dual booting with win 7
[15:50] <fashun> that the grub was unable to over write mbr so systm boots straight to win7
[15:56] <Rory> fashun: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[15:58] <fashun> @Rory: I have a 500 gig hard drive partitioned into 250 gigs each
[15:58] <Rory> fashun: Look at this page, which describes using a tool called Boot Repair to repair your bootloader https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:59] <Rory> fashun: Because you're using 14.04, you may need to edit the sources.list file after adding the repository, and change "trusty" to "saucy"
[15:59] <Rory> Or use a 13.10 liveCD
[15:59] <BluesKaj> fashun, best to load the ubuntu live media again and install grub from there, open a terminal and do, sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , sdX is usually sda
[16:00] <BluesKaj> unless of course you're running efi/bios, then you might need to run in legacy mode
[16:02] <fashun> @Blueskaj will try it when I get home. will come back later
[16:02] <fashun> if all goes well
[16:03] <BluesKaj> fashun, as Rory mentioned Boot-Repair is also a very handy cd or media for fixing grub
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok stuff to do ...bbl
[16:35] <Meerkat> Where do I report ubuntu installer issues?
[16:36] <Rory> Meerkat: If you're having a problem you can describe it here
[16:41] <Meerkat> Rory, When installing ubuntu 14.04 with full disk encryption the installer asks for the password first and then the keyboard layout. If the selected keyboard layout is not US and you are using special characters (!"#¤) etc. then you cannot decrypt your drive because the keys are switched around. This also happens on 13.04.
[16:42] <Rory> Ohh that bit me once!
[16:42] <Rory> That's been an issue for ages! You have no idea how long it took me to diagnose the fact that the "£" I thought I had in my password was actually a "#" and that's why I couldn't decrypt
[16:43] <Rory> Meerkat: I recommend just filing a bug against Ubiquity
[16:45] <Meerkat> Rory, is ubiquity used by xubuntu too? because that's where I originally had this issue.
[16:46] <Meerkat> According to wikipedia it is.
[16:46] <Meerkat> thank you for pointing me to the proper package.
[16:46] <Rory> yeah it is, that's the Ubuntu installer
[16:47] <Rory> A simple enough fix would be to ask for language and keyboard layout before partitioning, or to have a temporary, localised-to-one-textbox input method switcher in the installer
[16:48] <elfy> Rory: I got some updates today - that switched the kbd layout ... logged in ok - then it wouldn't work :)
[16:48] <elfy> # is in a funny place on US keyboards
[16:48]  * Rory wishes he was American
[16:49]  * elfy is ok with his kbd having a £
[16:49] <Rory> Yeah actually, life would be a bit rubbish if I had to do a unicode every time I wanted to write £
[16:49] <elfy> :)
[16:51] <Meerkat> 3#£³ <- all on 3 for me
[17:16] <Rory> 3 is 3, and shift-3 is £, I have no other modifiers for that key printed
[17:16] <Rory> AltGr-3 gives ³ apparently :P
[17:18] <Meerkat> altgr-shift+3 also works
[17:19] <Meerkat> maybe
[17:41] <fred``> i upgraded from precise to trusty and now my gbit nic only runs at max 100mb/fd - i cant even set it with mii-tool to 1gbit
[17:41] <fred``> lspci shows me:  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[17:49] <nikolam> Do you people use Btrfs snapshots for System subvolumes to test and be able to rollback after multiple updates?
[17:50] <nikolam> Btw, is Btrfs now able to be used during blank install and be supported?
[17:51] <nikolam> Would one still need to make new GRUB2 menu items manually, to have system boot off some other btrfs subvolume?
[17:51] <nikolam> or btrfs subvolume set-default is enough for that?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> fred``, have you updated/upgraded and dist-upgraded since your install?
[19:12] <fred``> BluesKaj : i havent done any dist-upgrade for some days - doing it now. the kernel irs upgraded to 3.3
[19:12] <fred``> 3.0-8
[19:12] <fred``> i'll reboot and check
[19:29] <fred``> BluesKaj : now it synced to 1000baseT-FD - but the strange thing is, that i had to replug the lancable - same happend with the older kernel/modules
[19:34] <BluesKaj> fred``, yeah that's the upnp at work
[19:44] <Meerkat> I removed an entry in unity and compiz crashed =)
[19:44] <Meerkat> that's hilarious
[21:05] <rohan> (k)ubuntu 14.04 currently has git 1.9rc1 which breaks android studio / intellij idea: any ideas on how to work around it?
[21:34] <brainwash> rohan: filing a bug report would be the first step
[21:34] <rohan> brainwash: thanks, i guess i'll file a bug against intellij
[21:34] <jtaylor> how does it break it?
[22:07] <rohan> jtaylor: it says "unsupported format of git --version: 1.9rc1"
[22:08] <jtaylor> oh
[22:08] <jtaylor> that will solve itself
[22:08] <jtaylor> probably
[22:08] <jtaylor> as soon as its out of rc
[22:08] <jtaylor> it will be rc3 soon
[22:33] <aim__> Is there an means of debugging keyboard shortcuts. A recent upgrade has meant that something is stealing "<Control>Space". I tried openbox as a DE and its fine there.
[22:35] <brainwash> aim__: ctrl + space is usually used by ibus
[22:35] <brainwash> if ibus is running
[22:36] <aim__> brainwash: I was happily using this combo yesterday (in Emacs), but today's upgrade broke that for me.
[22:37] <aim__> brainwash: I did 'dconf dump /' and grepped for Space but I didn't see anything matching Control+Space.  Alt+Space, et al, was listed.
[22:37] <brainwash> check for ibus and kill it if it's running in the background
[22:38] <aim__> brainwash: OK. I have 5 PIDs. Multi-threaded?
[22:38] <brainwash> no clue
[22:38] <brainwash> just a guess so far
[22:39] <aim__> brainwash: heh! You guess 100% right!
[22:40] <brainwash> you can configure ibus to stop using ctrl + space
[22:40] <brainwash> or stop it completely if not needed :)
[22:43] <aim__> brainwash: OK, that clears that up!
[22:43] <aim__> brainwash: : ag Control /etc/dconf/db/ibus.d/
[22:43] <aim__> /etc/dconf/db/ibus.d/00-upstream-settings
[22:43] <aim__> 42:trigger=['Control+space', 'Zenkaku_Hankaku', 'Alt+Kanji', 'Alt+grave', 'Hangul', 'Alt+Release+Alt_R']
[22:43] <aim__> 46:triggers=['<Control>space']
[22:43] <aim__> brainwash: thanks! Really makes Emacs kind of useless (for me).
[22:43] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[22:44] <iamnotpression> thanks
[22:44] <iamnotpression> is it to me right? XD
[22:44] <Beldar> iamnotpression, The download updates to the release.
[22:45] <iamnotpression> I have got a fast question, I want download the ubuntu 14.04 to help develoment, but idk if this will be update or I will must download the LTS version in later?  sry for my english
[22:45] <iamnotpression> ah!
[22:46] <iamnotpression> ok thanks, that's was the question, so I will wait to the stable LTS to help


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <fgimenez> good morning
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Watermelon Day! 😃
[09:26] <ogra_> yummy !
[09:26] <ogra_> matches the weather :)
[10:26] <ogra_> ppisati, is https://github.com/piso77/ubuntu-embedded/tree/master/boards/raspy2/bootloaders just a cloned snapshot of https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware.git ? or did you compile anything in that dir ?
[10:27]  * ogra_ would like to use upstream for the oem snap, but if that needs modification i'll fall back to yours)
[10:27] <ppisati> ogra_: no compilation
[10:27] <ppisati> ogra_: it's a copy of the binary stuff that was shipped with the original raspi2 img long ago
[10:28] <ppisati> ogra_: let me check one thing
[10:28] <ogra_> k, thx ... they seem to set a kernel version inside their dtb's there
[10:28] <ogra_> (which points to 4.0.9)
[10:28] <ppisati> ogra_: i didn't update mine
[10:29] <ppisati> ogra_: so they probably update it
[10:29] <ogra_> yes, they do
[10:29] <ogra_> since we need to use their dtb's for the initialization i wonder if that could cause issues
[10:30] <lool> rsalveti: I guess we might want to escalate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1470727 to Critical as it prevents creating images of rolling? or is there another way to get to latest rolling edge?
[10:31] <ogra_> lool, that should be fixed in the proposed PPA asince a while
[10:31] <lool> (I tried updating form oldest working image but that got me into a broken state -- empty GRUB menu)
[10:31] <lool> ogra_: which one is that?
[10:31] <lool> I have the snappy-dev tools PPA only
[10:31] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+archive/ubuntu/tools-proposed
[10:32] <lool> ogra_: and that's pending promotion with next image promotion?
[10:32] <ogra_> hmm, and even that is behind, i thinnk there is a 0.28 in wily already
[10:32]  * ogra_ checks -changes
[10:32] <ogra_> ah, no
[10:33] <ppisati> ogra_: right, cause we use that dtb now
[10:33] <ogra_> lool, i'm not exactly sure how the promotion of udf works
[10:33] <ogra_> i knwo it forst goes into that PPA before being released though
[10:33] <lool> ogra_: I have a side question for you: how would you find livefs builds older than a week? the launchpad /+livefs page only lists less than ten or so
[10:34] <ogra_> lool, there is an LP REST api for that (but i'm not sure it goes back further) and cjwatson could probably point you to an easy way to get more listed on the LP page
[10:35] <ogra_> (read: i dont actually know)
[10:35] <lool> ogra_: hmm I guess there might be links in the cdimage logs triggering the lp builds
[10:35] <ogra_> there are, definitely
[10:36] <ogra_> i would hope theer is an easier way though
[10:39] <lool> it's likely LP API exposes it, I'm just lazy
[10:40] <lool> (besides, I dont need it anymore if it's fixed in latest tools, it was just in case I'd have to dive into the issue  :-)
[10:40] <lool> rsalveti: confirmed fixed with tools-proposed, nevermind; marking fix-committed
[10:56] <lool> hmm I have to reboot to get network up
[10:56] <lool> due to interface renaming it seems
[10:57] <ogra_> hmm, i thought Chipaca had fixed that
[10:57] <ogra_> (well, at least i know he was working on it )
[10:59] <lool> hmm I'm trying to enable SSH after booting an image without it; I see it's ssh_enabled: true in some yaml file, but can't figure out which
[10:59] <lool> ah cloud-init userdata
[11:04] <lool> ok, answer: sudo rm /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run and reboot (note for self)
[11:07] <ogra_> GRRR
[11:07] <ogra_> MMC:   bcm2835_sdhci: 0
[11:07] <ogra_> reading uboot.env
[11:07] <ogra_> *** Warning - bad CRC, using default environment
[11:10] <ogra_> WHEE !
[11:10] <ogra_> MMC:   bcm2835_sdhci: 0
[11:10] <ogra_> reading uboot.env
[11:10] <ogra_> In:    serial
[11:10] <ogra_> that looks so much better :))
[11:13] <ogra_> grmbl ...
[11:16] <ogra_> so switching to uboot.env on the rpi actually wipes the env of the preloader ... crap
[11:21] <ogra_> EEEK !
[11:21] <ogra_> probably because nothing in the oem snap lands where it should
[11:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, hulp !
[11:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, is there a way for me to have a whole subdir copied into the snap 1:1
[11:24] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11992407/ ... everything with "overlay" in the name should be in an overlay/ subdir
[11:25] <ogra_> bah ... and it puts the totaly wrong snappy-system.txt in place, thats really bad
[11:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmm, there was no dir copy support, just files
[11:27] <sergiusens> we can add it, but it's not there
[11:27] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11992517/
[11:27] <ogra_> hmm
[11:28] <ogra_> well, the preloader has that subdir hardcoded, so if we ant to be able to use overlay dtb's it needs to exist
[11:28] <ogra_> wasnt there a hack via the device tarball ?
[11:28] <sergiusens> ogra_: so all those files will be copied to the base, if you want a target, give it a target
[11:28]  * ogra_ thinks he remembers something like that +
[11:28] <ogra_> in the -path: line ?
[11:28]  * ogra_ tries
[11:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/goget-ubuntu-touch/trunk/view/head:/diskimage/common.go#L90
[11:31] <ogra_> Installing pi2_0.15_all.snap
[11:31] <ogra_> stat /tmp/oem231909283/oem/pi2/0.15/boot-assets/overlays/ads7846-overlay.dtb overlays: no such file or directory
[11:31] <sergiusens> it should work, but 'should' is a strong word
[11:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmm, I can fix that
[11:32] <ogra_> well, can i fix it from the snap side ?
[11:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can't think of anything
[11:32] <ogra_> i kind of dont want to modify the stable released image :)
[11:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: oh, it's just one bug fix to u-d-f
[11:33] <sergiusens> not the actual image
[11:33] <ogra_> ah
[11:33] <ogra_> cool, yeah that will work
[11:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: to be able to deploy directories
[12:22] <rsalveti> lool: both tools and tools-proposed are currently in sync
[12:24] <rsalveti> I sync the ppas when doing the stable release
[12:27]  * ogra_ sighs ...
[12:27] <ogra_> i'll try with the old rpi preloader after lunch ... thats depressing :/
[13:12] <lool> rsalveti: hmm I tried this like Friday with I believe up-to-date tools but perhaps I hadn't apt-get updated hmm
[13:12] <lool> rsalveti: anyway, I've marked this fix committed
[13:12] <lool> you can mark fix released if it's in wily too
[13:12] <lool> (not sure what rule we follow there)
[13:15]  * ogra_ wonders why lool's uboot.env works but not mine ... life is so mean :P
[13:22] <lool> ogra_: might be the time at which it's loaded?
[13:23] <lool> ogra_: also, are you sure yours is loaded?
[13:24] <ogra_> lool, yes, my prob is that i can get certain vars only from the preloader ... it hands them to u-boot once it loads it ... loading my env file wipes these vars, loadin yours keeps them
[13:24] <ogra_> (well, loading yours using your uboot binary ... and loading mine using my uboot binary)
[13:25] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11993082/ specifically "args" and "usbethaddr" are the ones i need
[13:25] <ogra_> the only difference is that i bumped the uboot-env size to the same 128k that we use on the BB
[13:26] <ogra_> lool, did you patch anything or did you just build using the defconfig  ?
[13:27] <lool> ogra_: just defconfig and the patch to allow raw initrd
[13:28] <ogra_> oh, i forgot that one !
[13:28] <lool> but it's not needed in recent upstream versions
[13:28] <ogra_> though i doubt that would unset atags or dtb values (or however the pre-loader hands them to uboot)
[13:29]  * ogra_ starts over and tries a completely unpatched build
[13:33] <elopio> sergiusens: do you see any problem with backporting the gocheck update? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/snappy/backport-gocheck/+merge/266663
[13:34] <ogra_> hmpf
[13:34] <ogra_> U-Boot> printenv
[13:34] <ogra_> fdtfile=bcm2836-rpi-2-b.dtb
[13:34] <ogra_> usbethaddr=b8:27:eb:04:db:1c
[13:34] <ogra_> still no args
[13:36] <mterry> jdstrand, what is the "mac-based isolation" security provided by snappy?
[13:36] <sergiusens> elopio: added to my todo
[13:37] <elopio> tx
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: it's odd that you're not getting more in your environment
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: it looks like you're not even getting the default environment
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, i load an empty uboot.env
[13:41] <ogra_> thats on purpose
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: maybe the u-boot logic behaves differently in this case though in that you're not getting the default env like bootcmd etc.
[13:41] <ogra_> (i first need to make sure the values from the preloader actually end up in my env)
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: so perhaps you need to do a dump of the default environment and copy that in your env file
[13:42] <ogra_> lool, yes thats what i'll do in the end
[13:42] <ogra_> and thats how we worked on the BBB
[13:42] <ogra_> but i need the intersection between the default env and the atags the rom hands ove
[13:42] <ogra_> r
[13:43] <ogra_> for the BBB i just loaded the emopty env file and got all the ROM values set
[13:43] <ogra_> so i knew what to leave out of my env file (to have it "saveenv'ed" on first boot, since they are HW specific (MAC, seial etc)
[13:44] <ogra_> i wanted to do the same on the rpi ... but seemingly these values are comletely gone now
[14:39] <elopio> fgimenez: lets skip today.
[14:39] <elopio> sorry.
[14:47] <fgimenez> elopio: ok np
[15:33] <elopio> rsalveti: I can land things in the 15.04 branch, right?
[15:33] <rsalveti> elopio: yes
[16:10] <jcastro> any options as to mounting an NFS share on a snappy machine?
[16:12] <mterry> sarnold, jdstrand: what is the "mac-based isolation" security provided by snappy?
[16:13] <ogra_> it puts all the ipads and iphones in a corner and tells them to be ashamed ?
[16:14] <roadmr> :D
[16:35] <sarnold> mterry: I assume this use of "mac" means mandatory access control
[17:11] <mterry> sarnold, not sure -- it's a phrase from https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[17:11] <mterry> sarnold, I'm guessing so though
[17:12] <sarnold> mterry: I guess the authors figured "mandatory access control" right next to "human friendly" didn't make sense. :)
[17:13] <mterry> sarnold, so it's basically apparmor looks like from a quick search?
[17:14] <sarnold> mterry: sorry, I don't understa
[17:14] <sarnold> understand
[17:14] <mterry> sarnold, I'm not familiar with "mandatory access control" either -- searching online for that phrase makes it sound like what apparmor does
[17:15] <sarnold> mterry: ah! yes, apparmor is one implementation of a mandatory access control system, yes
[17:15] <jjohansen> yes, its a variant of mac
[17:15] <mterry> sarnold, jjohansen: cool, thanks!
[17:15] <jjohansen> specifically its a variant of dte instead of just te
[17:15] <sarnold> a discretionary access control system allows data owners to set policies -- e.g., the unix permissions bits, acls, etc; mandatory access controls have a system adminstrator or security officer set permissions
[17:19]  * ogra_ definitely liked the naughty step explanation above more
[19:04] <lool> mterry: it's true that tomcat wont start out of the box with example snap, but the mvn plugin itself works and I'd like to keep demoing it; would you mind merging the branch?
[19:04] <lool> mterry: or I can remove the sample snap if that's comfort
[19:04] <lool> (from the branch)
[19:05] <mterry> lool, OK, let me look again
[19:10] <lool> mterry: the other way to fix it would be to launch tomcat ourselves (or fork catalina.sh) but I wanted to avoid this hardcoding and didn't have time to research why systemd wouldn't launch tomcat in the default script, sorry
[19:10] <lool> mterry: I'm about to close laptop and leave for travel, worst case I'll demo from the branch and we can land it later
[19:11] <mterry> lool, I'm finding a few nits, yeah.  Will comment.  But if time is pressing, demo from the branch is fine
[19:11] <lool> mterry: yeah, I have a fallback dont worry
[19:11] <mterry> lool, sorry didn't know this was a time-sensitive branch for ya
[19:11] <mterry> Or didn't realize when it would be at least
[19:13] <lool> mterry: yeah, it's ok, I can do it from branch
[19:14] <lool> mterry: reason I wnted to land it soon is because we're releasing a video to demo snapcraft with maven plugin, so would be nice if it was in tip
[19:14] <mterry> lool, commented
[19:17] <lool> mterry: thanks
[20:56] <utlemming> rsalveti: is there a pythononic way to know if you're on snappy?
[20:57] <utlemming> rsalveti: python -c 'import platform; print(platform.dist())' doesn't distinguish between regular Ubuntu and Snappy Ubuntu


[18:48] <aleb> Can somebody mark this as wontfix? 0.13 is very old and not even 0.15 is supported anymore. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/594658  I'd do it myself but the option is disabled for me.
[18:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 594658 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "clips cannot be imported if gstreamer cannot find all necessary plugins" [Undecided,New]
[20:12] <Rosco2> Can someone from Bug Control remove the duplicate Ubuntu task on bug 619600?
[20:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619600 in Canonical SSO provider "Provide a method to retrieve account data for a given openid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619600
[22:24] <xnox> Rosco2: remove ubuntu task?
[22:25] <xnox> Rosco2: i think so, done.
[23:00] <Rosco2> xnox: Yes - thanks


[01:05] <Oderus> anyone good at qml?? I'm trying to modify the breeze splash from having a black color rectangle background to a full screen image instead. here's the file. Wondering what changes I need to make at the top to achieve this? I'm clueless heh. https://paste.ubuntu.com/24468312/
[02:11] <Fritigern> Somene please convince me that this Plasma Browser Extension thing is not just Konqueror redux...\
[02:32] <valorie> Fritigern: what was wrong with konq back in the day?
[02:32] <valorie> used to be my favorite browser 10 years ago or so
[02:35] <Fritigern> And 10 years ago, it was adequate, but it had been obsolete since KDE4, yet had been pushed as file manager and browser until P5 came out, and even now it is still available in the repos. In fact, there is stil software that depends on Konqueror, which is so not of this time.
[02:36] <Fritigern> Moreover, it reminded me of Inrternet Explorer in that it was browser and file manager in one.
[02:36] <Fritigern> *web browser
[02:38] <valorie> the browser extension is an attempt to bring plasma menus and control to the big browsers
[02:38] <valorie> since there is no KDE browser being developed now
[02:42] <Fritigern> So it's nothing like Konqueror? (BTW, Rekonq is no longer ativly being developed?)
[02:43] <Fritigern> *actively
[02:53] <valorie> it's just a browser add-on
[02:53] <valorie> afaik just like any other browser addon
[03:01] <Fritigern> Oh good. Because I was worried that someone was trying to revive Konqueror, only poured in a different kind of mold. But a browser addon is a lot different than that, I would probably actually use it too!
[03:01] <Fritigern> Thanks for making me understand ,valorie!
[03:03] <valorie> Konq is based on an old browser engine
[03:03] <valorie> no work I've heard of to revive that at all
[03:03] <valorie> yeah, I'd like to try out that new addon
[03:04] <valorie> only distro that has it built that I've heard of is KaOS
[03:07] <valorie> afaik we don't have it building yet on KCI
[03:07] <valorie> successfully
[04:37] <Fritigern> valorie:<PHONE_NUMBER>111111111111111CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCVCVCCVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBV
[04:41] <ussher_> love konqueror. best file manager I've found to date.
[04:46] <Fritigern> I'm sorry, my 3-year old got a hold of my keyboard whilst I was out of the room.
[04:48] <Fritigern> BTW valorie, I really did mean Rekonq, the web browser. Did you mean that one as well when you said that you haven't head of any work to revive that? Just making sure we are talking about the same thing.
[04:49] <valorie> I've heard of no efforts to revive either
[04:49] <valorie> I think someone keeps konq from crashing or whatever
[05:03] <Guest64110> hi
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:49] <amichair> help! I just rebooted after the upgrade to 17.04, and all I get is a frozen kubuntu splash screen. What can I do?
[06:55] <hateball> amichair: can you disable quiet splash in grub?
[06:55] <hateball> so you can see where in the boot process it halts
[06:55] <amichair> hateball: dunno, can I?
[06:55] <hateball> amichair: hold left shift at boot to get into grub, edit bootline and remove splash
[06:55] <hateball> quiet splash*
[06:56] <hateball> that will give you a text-only output on boot
[06:57] <amichair> how strange, this is the 4th time I'm rebooting, held the left shift down the whole time, and now I see the kde logon screen (but didn't see the splash screen before it!)
[06:57] <amichair> previous 3 times I just saw frozen splash
[06:58] <hateball> amichair: so now everything is working as expected?
[06:58] <amichair> restarting again now to see what happens
[06:59] <amichair> hateball: how curious, now it skips the splash screen after a reboot goes straight to kde login, after that seems ok
[06:59] <hateball> amichair: nvidia graphics?
[07:00] <amichair> hateball: nope, integrated i7 gpu, no graphics card
[07:00] <hateball> weird
[07:01] <amichair> hateball: yep
[07:01] <amichair> hateball: anything I should do/check, or just learn to live with a quirky boot sequence?
[07:04] <hateball> amichair: well I would disable the boot splash if you dont need it
[07:04] <amichair> btw during the shutdown part of the restart I do see the kubuntu splash
[07:04] <hateball> just so you can keep an eye on things if it does fail
[07:04] <amichair> hateball: how do I disable it? will that mean I'll see the boot log in text mode instead? like when I'd press esc on splash?
[07:05] <hateball> amichair: yea exactly
[07:05] <hateball> amichair: you edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet splash
[07:06] <hateball> amichair: then sudo update-grub
[07:07] <hateball> amichair: that way the options stick during kernel upgrades
[07:07] <hateball> otherwise you can make oneoff changes by editing grub.conf, or holding shift at boot
[07:07] <amichair> so I comment out the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"? or just leave the value a blank ""?
[07:08] <hateball> amichair: remove to leave a blank value
[07:08] <hateball> dont comment it out
[07:08] <hateball> you may want to comment+copy tho, in case you want to restore it and dont remember what it was :p
[07:08] <amichair> yeah, that's what I did :-)
[07:09] <acheronuk> sudo update-grub
[07:09] <acheronuk> to apply changes
[07:09] <amichair> done, now I'll restart
[07:10] <acheronuk> did he update grub??
[07:10] <acheronuk> oh yes, missed that
[07:10] <amichair> what's that bizzarre new k-menu abstract art icon about...
[07:10]  * acheronuk makes coffee
[07:10] <acheronuk> amichair: it's the plasma logo
[07:11] <amichair> acheronuk: no offense to anyone involved in the design :-)
[07:11] <acheronuk> np. it's pretty rubbish
[07:11] <amichair> hateball: ok, now I see all that crap written instead of splash, I'm good with that
[07:12] <amichair> kde should change their motto (if they have one) to "Change. For change's sake."
[07:13] <ikonia> amichair: or you could changes yours to "I won't make pointless comments"
[07:13] <amichair> oh, I see the logo now appears also while starting kde, full screen. yay.
[07:13] <acheronuk> amichair: that has been the plasma log for ages. they just decided to use it in plasma rather than the more general KDE one
[07:13] <acheronuk> *logo
[07:14] <acheronuk> they had a contest to change it: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=133836
[07:14] <acheronuk> then completely failed to so anything!
[07:14] <amichair> ikonia: or they could change it to something about ignoring user feedback :-P
[07:15] <ikonia> amichair: they don't ignore user feedback
[07:15] <ikonia> hence why your attitude and comments are bit dumb to make
[07:16] <amichair> ikonia: I was just joking about your reply about essentially keeping my comments to myself... nm.
[07:19] <hateball> There there, it's friday and everyone should be happy and friendly :)
[07:20] <amichair> hateball: thanks for your help once again... back to a working system
[07:20] <hateball> amichair: Heh, I didnt really do anything :p
[07:20] <hateball> but it's good that it works !
[07:20] <amichair> hateball: you gave me hope :-)
[07:20] <hateball> it has happened in the past that plymouth hangs tho, but then it's usually not intermittent
[07:20] <hateball> (for me)
[07:21] <amichair> hateball: never had issues with it before, and don't know how it got sorted out after 3 reboots now...
[07:22] <amichair> hateball: well, that's not accurate. had a year or two of issues with it back when plymouth was introduced... but we tend to forget the issues of the past
[07:22] <amichair> until there is a regression
[07:22] <hateball> maybe
[07:23] <amichair> come to think of it, I think I just passed my decade anniversary with Kubuntu!
[07:23] <amichair> started with Dapper, iirc
[07:23] <acheronuk> wow
[07:23] <amichair> 6.06 was it?
[07:23] <hateball> Yes
[07:24] <amichair> so yeah, over a decade
[07:24] <hateball> I didnt really switch to Kubuntu until kde 4.x. used it for various kiosk deploys with 3.x tho, but not for personal use :o
[07:24] <amichair> and counter to security best practices, this system is on a rolling upgrade since Intrepid or so, I think
[07:26] <amichair> I was there for all the kde fiascos... and I do think they often make change for changes sake. or rather since they enjoy it, and care less about users and stability than technological shiny.
[07:26] <amichair> but hey, although I was close to it many times, I haven't abandoned it yet :-)
[07:35] <amichair> is there no backports repo in zesty?
[07:44] <acheronuk> amichair: there will be when we have backported things from Artful. but only just got going on that
[07:45] <acheronuk> amichair: you wanting anything in particular?
[07:45] <amichair> acheronuk: ok. I'll disable the repo for now
[07:46] <amichair> acheronuk: no, just that it won't cause apt to abort. It just has to exist.
[07:46] <acheronuk> yep. there is no release file etc there until we actually upload something. apt is too dumb to fail nicely on that
[07:47] <amichair> acheronuk: I would recommend to create all the repos, with some dummy content if neccessary, as part of every release
[07:47] <acheronuk> amichair: I did that for Yakkety updates
[07:47] <amichair> acheronuk: otherwise users either leave it enabled and all updates fail, or leave it disabled and miss new updated, which is the point of having a repository...
[07:48] <amichair> acheronuk: if the kubuntu team have a release checklist, might be a good idea to add this
[07:49] <acheronuk> acheronuk: oddly, we didn't until recently. but we are making one :)
[07:50] <amichair> acheronuk: that's progress! :-)
[07:51]  * acheronuk looks for the dummy package he made for YY
[07:54] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+build/11152101
[07:54] <acheronuk> maybe should do that again for zesty
[07:56] <amichair> acheronuk: +1 for smoother upgrades
[09:27] <elichai2> hi, why .profile doesn't source when I open the terminal?
[09:27] <elichai2> (I use byobu as my terminal command)
[09:30] <elichai2> hi, why .profile doesn't source when I open the terminal?
[09:30] <elichai2> (I use byobu as my terminal command)
[09:30] <elichai2> (i'm sorry if I sent more than once, my client has a weird bug)
[09:31] <hateball> Just a bit of an idle hour
[09:31] <hateball> And I don't use byobu myself so I can't say
[09:31] <hateball> elichai2: Does it work properly with a clean bash in konsole?
[09:32] <elichai2> no
[09:32] <elichai2> just tried with /bin/bash and it doesn't work
[09:32] <elichai2> (another problem I have is the switching profile doesn't work)
[09:37] <elichai2> hateball:
[09:38] <hateball> elichai2: # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells.
[09:38] <hateball> and running just "bash" wont be a login shell afaik, so that would only read ~/.bashrc
[09:38] <hateball> but I am not very skilled in these arts, so
[09:39] <elichai2> i read that .bash_profile is for login shells
[09:40] <elichai2> and Before I moved to ubuntu It did got sourced
[09:40] <elichai2> *before I moved from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[09:41] <hateball> afaik you can set your terminal emulator to use a login shell or not also
[09:41] <hateball> so... say you used gnome-term or whatever, maybe that ran bash -l ?
[09:41] <hateball> again, I am not an expert on this :p
[09:42] <hateball> putting your changes in ~/.bashrc should work at any rate
[09:57] <elichai2> maye lol, thanks anyway
[09:57] <elichai2> another question :) how can I change the amount of screen dimming the energy saving settings does?
[09:57] <elichai2> because its so dim It looks like the screen is locked and off
[11:16] <guoh> halo
[11:35] <jubo2> Reinstallzeit
[11:36] <enzeperix> hi
[11:36] <enzeperix> so everybody here is a kubuntu user ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:22] <EvilRoey> clivejo: hihi
[13:22] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hi!
[13:23] <EvilRoey> clivejo: how do I add your zssh PPA?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> hey  Roey
[13:24] <EvilRoey> udo add-apt-repository  ppa:zssh
[13:24] <EvilRoey> ?
[13:24] <EvilRoey> sudo add-apt-repository  ppa:zssh
[13:25] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hey man.  So clivejo gave me a link to a PPA for zssh that hopefully fixes my issue with it
[13:25] <BluesKaj> look on launchpad
[13:26] <BluesKaj> paste the link, I'm curious
[13:29] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:29] <EvilRoey> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/zssh/+packages
[13:33] <EvilRoey> clivejo: I still get the same issue when I launch zssh, "out of pty's"
[13:34] <EvilRoey> clivejo: this after having installedhttps://pastebin.com/M6JwgHYB
[13:34] <EvilRoey> https://pastebin.com/M6JwgHYB <-- apt-cache policy shows that I was installing --reinstalling the same version of zssh, whoops, my bad.
[13:35] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: so I tried installing clivejo's zssh package but apparently the kubuntu one has priority?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hmm, I'm already on Artful 17.10 and zssh is in the repos here
[13:35] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:40] <BluesKaj> dunno why it needs a ppa, zssh has been around since 2003
[14:10] <m_tadeu> hi...how to persist powertop settings?
[14:14] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: does zzsh work for you, or do you get a message like "out of pty's"
[14:14] <EvilRoey> ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried it , rsync is usually my method of choice
[14:39] <jubo2> y0 and thanks thanks thanks for the awesome OS
[17:04] <etheretic> hello.
[17:06] <etheretic> are there optional colour icons to the default b/w system icons in the panel?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> etheretic, system settings>icons>icons >themes
[17:13] <Dragnslcr> I think you can also check Workspace Theme -> Desktop Theme
[17:13] <BluesKaj> etheretic, or do you mean the system tray, then it's system settings>workspace theme>desktop theme
[17:13] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I have mine set to the Air theme
[17:16] <etheretic> i'll see..
[17:17] <etheretic> in b/w, the volume icon looks like the network icon, rotated 90 degrees.
[17:18] <etheretic> system tray, yes.
[17:20] <etheretic> changing workspace theme does not affect the systray icons.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> etheretic, don't think the system tray icons are coloured in any desktop theme
[17:22] <etheretic> kde u mean?
[17:22] <Dragnslcr> etheretic- changing the Desktop Theme definitely changes the system tray icons
[17:22] <BluesKaj> yes, this is kubuntu support
[17:23] <etheretic> Dragnslcr, changed from breeze to oxygen - no difference as to sys icons.
[17:24] <Dragnslcr> Weird. It changes them for me. Oxygen and Air have the same icon set.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, the system tray icons have no colour in any desktop theme
[17:25] <Dragnslcr> A couple of them do
[17:25] <etheretic> which?
[17:25] <Dragnslcr> But yeah, most of the icons are still white and gray
[17:26] <Dragnslcr> They just aren't the black outline icons of the Breeze theme
[17:26] <etheretic> looks like an 80's mac se or such.
[17:26] <Dragnslcr> I have KDEConnect, Kopete, USB Devices, and Clipboard icons showing at the moment
[17:27] <Dragnslcr> And they all change going from Breeze to Oxygen/Air
[17:28] <BluesKaj> but no blue, green red or combos thereof
[17:31] <Dragnslcr> There are a couple that are colored. The restart and crash icons are.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> those are intermittent tho
[17:32] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[17:33] <Dragnslcr> I don't mind the gray icons, but I don't like the Breeze icons at all
[17:34] <Dragnslcr> I also miss the old animated icon for Kopete. The new animation isn't constant, so you can't tell at a glance if you have any messages.
[17:34] <Dragnslcr> I still haven't figured out how to change that
[17:34] <BluesKaj> beeeze isn't my style at al in practically everything
[17:35] <BluesKaj> everyone was raving about how cool it looked, the icons are awful and fugly
[17:37] <BluesKaj> my taste of course :-)
[17:37] <etheretic> agree
[17:38] <etheretic> cinnamon looks better, but is too demanding for this 10 yr old sony vaio.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> kde /plasma work fine on thsi 9yr old HP desktop ..added Ram, replaced the hdd with ssd and use an entry level pci-e nvidia gpu
[17:51] <BluesKaj> works fine on this 9yr old HP desktop...even :-)
[17:53] <etheretic> also, is there a way to have not show a thumbnail when the cursor is above program panel icons?
[17:53] <etheretic> well hidden in the cp..
[20:54] <Simplar> Greetings. Somehow, when I am starting up an external wifi usb flash drive, my mouse (and system) freezes. What might be the problem? Using Kubuntu 16.04.2 LTS.
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