[04:30] <destroyer> so both are clients not server
[04:30] <destroyer> why i need to download a samba server?
[04:30] <bungle> mm I want to make my own theme to purple n aqua
[04:31] <reiki> destroyer, samba is smb for *nix. Windows shares are smb shares
[04:31] <psusi> destroyer: if you want to share files, the computer that holds the files being shared is a server
[04:31] <bungle> and instead of the startup gui pic saying ubuntu .. I want it to say bungles box .. running ubuntu
[04:31] <destroyer> ok i understand that
[04:31] <destroyer> so how i begin?
[04:31] <mc|amb> destroyer: i don't think you have to download samba, at least in my ubuntu install samba was installed by default
[04:31] <reiki> I wanna fix my fetchmail problem
[04:32] <destroyer> i think i crashed my smb.conf
[04:32] <Nihil85> hello
[04:32] <cwells> tonyyarusso: there's a program called "gourmet" on sourceforge that will make shopping lists out of recipes you enter.  my gf loves it
[04:32] <destroyer> trying a lot of stuffs and losing the backup :(
[04:33] <destroyer> I really messed
[04:33] <mc|amb> destroyer: do you know the ip of the computer your trying to connect?
[04:33] <destroyer> yea
[04:33] <destroyer> but both are in dhcp
[04:33] <mc|amb> destroyer: can you ping it?
[04:33] <crisco> how do i install decoders to play music and video-ive tried several times to install real player but it wont work
[04:33] <destroyer> yep
[04:33] <destroyer> but it gives me high pings
[04:33] <aeon17x> !codecs
[04:33] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:33] <Agrajag> crisco: maybe if you tell us how it failed you'd get better help
[04:33] <cwells> what's the equivalent of /etc/rc.local on ubuntu?
[04:33] <Nihil85> I have 2 Ubuntu pc in my house. How can i connect them via wireless? How can i share the internet connection of one of them? Can anyone give me the url of an how-to or explain me the situation?
[04:33] <mc|amb> destroyer: ok so first you have to set your shares in the windows box
[04:33] <reiki> anyone...when fetchmail polls an IMAP server...does it use SSL by default?
[04:33] <crisco> ok
[04:33] <crisco> lol
[04:33] <destroyer> so i think that the high pings are because is pinging trough the internet maybe
[04:34] <destroyer> my network is fine if i put both in windows
[04:34] <destroyer> but when i come to linux it doesnt work
[04:34] <anto9us> crisco, sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:34] <anto9us>  (downloaded from realplayer website)
[04:34] <mc|amb> destroyer: so have you chosen what folders you're going to share?
[04:34] <Nihil85> destroyer, i have the same problem
[04:34] <destroyer> yea
[04:35] <crisco> well i went throiugh the terminal way-and it says it needs to know where i downloaded it-its on my desktop-when i put that it says its not accurate
[04:35] <psusi> destroyer: both in linux, or one in windows, the other in linux?
[04:35] <destroyer> i shared my disk D on my windows xp machine
[04:35] <redguy> does anyone happen to know if OOo 2.0 will be coming to breezy?
[04:35] <crisco> but the icon is now available under applications
[04:35] <destroyer> in mine i have dual boot
[04:35] <mc|amb> destroyer, Nihil: i had the same problem, I had to disable the built-in xp firewall to gain access to my windows box
[04:35] <destroyer> and the other one only has windows
[04:35] <crisco> and when i click it it ing real playersays start
[04:35] <anto9us> crisco, that would be sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:35] <crisco> but then never starts\
[04:35] <Nihil85> mc|amb, i have 2 ubuntu pc, not two windows pc
[04:35] <destroyer> the only 2 things that i need for leave windows is my network and play games :D
[04:36] <mc|amb> destroyer:Nihil85: oops forget it then
[04:36] <burepe>  I got a serious problem. I got a drive full of fsckooo.ren files, so apparently the drive is messed, but the files on it are very important to me, Can I transfer them to another computer?
[04:36] <mc|amb> destroyer: try this
[04:36] <holycow> redguy, no, but there is a 2.0 set of binaries out there
[04:36] <holycow> google for them
[04:36] <holycow> i found them very crashy but it could of been a faulty java install, not sure
[04:36] <Agrajag> crisco: did you try running it from  aterminal so you can see the error message?
[04:36] <redguy> holycow: so it won't be grough into the repos?
[04:36] <Agrajag> just open a terminal and run realplay
[04:36] <destroyer> if you have a  good howto set a network with ubuntu i will read it and try all the steps...then if i have a problem i can ask you guys
[04:37] <maruchan> umm i have mplayer firefox plugin, bu it still stalls at 99 and dosent play
[04:37] <Nihil85> so how can i connect 2 ubuntu pc via wireless?
[04:37] <redguy> s/grough/brought/
[04:37] <holycow> redguy, someone is operating a repo with the 2.0 packages on them, so you would add his yes
[04:38] <mc|amb> destroyer: mount smbfs //remote_ip/name_of_share /path_where you want to mount it
[04:38] <redguy> thanks holycow
[04:38] <destroyer> ok
[04:38] <holycow> np
[04:38] <destroyer> i dont have to configure my smb.conf?
[04:38] <destroyer> reconfigure it because i think isnt working
[04:39] <mc|amb> destroyer: i'm not sure. the first time i did it, I didn't have to configure anything
[04:39] <destroyer> look when i go to places-network servers
[04:39] <Nihil85> i need a help: how can i connect 2 ubuntu pc via wireless, share folders and internet connection?
[04:39] <destroyer> it ask me for a login, domain and password and i put it then it conect and show me the windows network with my workgroup
[04:40] <destroyer> but when i go to my workgroup i just see my computer not the remote one
[04:40] <sklav> destroyer, have u setup your smb.conf?
[04:40] <destroyer> how do i start my samba server?
[04:40] <mc|amb> destroyer: just go to where you said places->connect to server
[04:40] <destroyer> yea
[04:41] <destroyer> i am there
[04:41] <mc|amb> destroyer: in the service type select windows share
[04:41] <cwells> hi is there anyway to have a program run at startup, *after* all the other init scripts have finished?  there's no rc.local
[04:42] <Rev-Marc> can anyone tell me how to detirmine if MYSql server is installed and if so how to turn it on and access it?
[04:42] <mc|amb> destroyer: in the server type your remote pc ip
[04:42] <destroyer> wheres the service type?
[04:42] <mc|amb> destroyer: at the top
[04:42] <crimsun> cwells: use update-rc.d
[04:42] <mc|amb> destroyer: you're in places->connect to server right?
[04:42] <crimsun> cwells: or search for BUM in the forum
[04:42] <destroyer> nop
[04:43] <cwells>  crimsun thanks
[04:43] <destroyer> in places- Network Servers
[04:43] <burepe>  I got a serious problem. I got a drive full of fsckooo.ren files, so apparently the drive is messed, but the files on it are very important to me, Can I transfer them to another computer?
[04:43] <mc|amb> destroyer: go to palces->connect to server
[04:43] <Delvien> anyone know how to fix this ? Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-dm" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:43] <destroyer> ok i am there
[04:43] <mc|amb> destroyer: at the top select windows share
[04:43] <P00f> Hi all!
[04:43] <Nihil85> i need a help: how can i connect 2 ubuntu pc via wireless, share folders and internet connection?
[04:43] <imexius> Can someone help me with something, i keep getting an error saying, "Unable to get exclusive lock
[04:43] <destroyer> done
[04:44] <destroyer> i put that and click on conect
[04:44] <destroyer> but nothing happens
[04:44] <imexius> when trying to add another repositry
[04:44] <Rev-Marc> can anyone tell me how to detirmine if MYSql server is installed and if so how to turn it on and access it?
[04:44] <mc|amb> destroyer: then in the server field type the remote pc's ip
[04:44] <P00f> does Ubuntu have PHP? I need to develope PHP applications...
[04:44] <crimsun> Rev-Marc: it's not installed by default for the Ubuntu 5.10 desktop
[04:44] <sklav> P00f, yes it does
[04:44] <P00f> by default?
[04:44] <P00f> Tahnks :)
[04:44] <P00f> thanks
[04:44] <sklav> do a search in synaptic
[04:44] <Rev-Marc> crimsun thank you
[04:44] <P00f> Ok cool :)
[04:44] <Strike4ce> I can easily connect to my wireless router at home but anywhere else it will not work?
[04:45] <anto9us> burepe, short answer is that's very likely, tons of options though, depends what you have
[04:45] <crisco> anto9us-im at configuring real player right now. and its asking where i have it downloaded to. what do i put. it doesnt give me an error message
[04:45] <destroyer> i did that and nothing happened
[04:45] <mc|amb> destroyer: then maybe theres something wrong with the conf file
[04:46] <anto9us> crisco, go with the default?
[04:46] <mc|amb> destroyer: like you said before
[04:46] <destroyer> it keeps searching when i double click the mounted ip
[04:46] <crisco> ive tried it many times
[04:46] <destroyer> ok can you help me with the conf?
[04:46] <Strike4ce> Can anyone help?
[04:46] <imexius> i was using apt-get but i shut it off and rebooted still no luck
[04:46] <crisco> (/root)
[04:46] <mc|amb> destroyer: does your winxp box have a firewall?
[04:46] <destroyer> nop
[04:46] <anto9us> crisco, do you have the same version as me? realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:46] <destroyer> i disabled it
[04:46] <crisco> its on my desktop
[04:47] <sklav> destroyer, send me your conf
[04:47] <mc|amb> destroyer: the built-in one?
[04:47] <P00f> anyone running 64bit AMD processors and ATI graphics card? do we need to instal la 32 bit version of Ubuntu to make the drivers work?
[04:47] <destroyer> smb.conf?
[04:47] <Delvien> nalioth you there?
[04:47] <sklav> would help to see where the issue is
[04:47] <mc|amb> destroyer: yep
[04:47] <nalioth> Delvien: yes
[04:47] <sklav> i mean are your XP stations part of the domain?
[04:47] <crisco> on my desktop it days realplayerGOLD10.rpm and the other downloadable file is a .bin file
[04:47] <Delvien> nalioth do you know how to fix Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-dm" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.?
[04:48] <nalioth> Delvien: what gave you that error?
[04:48] <sklav> or a group?
[04:48] <Delvien> nalioth anytime i sudo a app ( yes i know , ) but administration mode gives me this
[04:48] <Delvien> Nalioth it prevents me from changing some stuff
[04:48] <Strike4ce>  I can easily connect to my wireless router at home but anywhere else it will not work?
[04:49] <anto9us> crisco, you can find it here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:49] <Sionide> !rar
[04:49] <ubotu> well, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression#head-32ba956d13d49934f65bf67dd40646653a7a6140
[04:49] <Strike4ce> Can anyone help?
[04:49] <destroyer> both are part of a gropu
[04:49] <destroyer> sorry a domain
[04:49] <destroyer> well..a workgroup
[04:49] <destroyer> thats how in windows call it
[04:49] <nemik> how would i get a shell/bash script to echo out my REAL IP address (not the one given to the computer by the router) ?
[04:49] <sklav> are you running proffessional or home edition?
[04:50] <destroyer> pro
[04:50] <nalioth> Delvien: i'd suggest renaming it
[04:50] <sklav> home edition has issues with workgroup / domains
[04:50] <sklav> ok
[04:50] <sklav> well its working for me
[04:50] <crimsun> nemik: depends whether your router gives you access to it
[04:50] <Strike4ce> Should I change it to master?
[04:50] <Delvien> nalioth rename it to what?
[04:50] <cafuego> nemik: lynx -dump http://www.cc.com.au/ip.php
[04:50] <nemik> thank you cafuego!
[04:50] <destroyer> ok who do i send you my conf file?
[04:50] <nalioth> Delvien: er, kdecache-dm-bak maybe?
[04:50] <sklav> paste the first 40 lines to me in a perosnal msg
[04:50] <aeruder> to 64-bit or not to 64-bit, that is the question. :)
[04:50] <crisco> now what do i put in the box
[04:50] <sklav> even better
[04:50] <Delvien> nalioth ive tried removing it complety but it creates the file again, and has the same error
[04:51] <sklav> what is your wrkgroup?
[04:51] <cafuego> aeruder: You a fan of java and flash applets on websites? Do any video viewing?
[04:51] <anto9us> crisco, that would be sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:51] <Doonz> so how is the 64 bit apps support coming along?
[04:51] <sklav> i will put my file for download
[04:51] <sklav> what is your wrkgroup
[04:51] <destroyer> LAN
[04:51] <sklav> ok 2 minutes
[04:51] <sklav> i will put it on my download section
[04:51] <nalioth> Delvien: are you using kdesu to start your root kde apps?
[04:51] <crisco> i put that in the "real player has been downloaded to where" bix?
[04:51] <crisco> box*
[04:51] <anto9us> crisco, no, cancel that
[04:52] <crisco> ok so cancelled
[04:52] <sklav> go to www.sklav.com
[04:53] <Strike4ce> Why cant I connect to other access points?  Curently I can only use my home wireless connection.   Is there an easy way around this?
[04:53] <sklav> download section
[04:53] <anto9us> crisco, now sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:53] <Delvien> nalioth what happened was ( at the time i didnt know ) i ran sudo k3b and it crashed, and screwed up my KDEcache-root and stuff
[04:53] <sklav> you will see smb.conf
[04:53] <sklav> try it
[04:53] <destroyer> i am irc noob lol
[04:53] <crisco> in the terminal
[04:53] <destroyer> how i will download it?
[04:53] <destroyer> first time using these
[04:53] <anto9us> crisco, yes
[04:53] <sklav> you will obviously need to modify it after to fine tune it
[04:53] <Strike4ce> Can anyone help?
[04:53] <sklav> example the sahres
[04:53] <sklav> use firefox
[04:53] <nalioth> Delvien: if you rename it, your system should remake a new one with the proper permissions
[04:53] <destroyer> its down
[04:53] <destroyer> i cant download it
[04:54] <sklav> put it in /etc/samba
[04:54] <Delvien> nalioth anyway to do that in terminal , GUI isnt letting me
[04:54] <destroyer> i cant download anything from your webpage
[04:54] <Delvien> nalioth says the name "bleh" isnt valid
[04:54] <destroyer> btw its nice :
[04:54] <destroyer> :D
[04:54] <sklav> try it now
[04:54] <nalioth> Delvien: of course, in the konsole, go to that dir
[04:55] <sklav> right click and save as
[04:55] <destroyer> u don't have permission to access /Downloads/smb.conf on this server.
[04:55] <destroyer> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[04:55] <sklav> weird
[04:55] <Strike4ce> I need help with my wireless and tthe guide isnt working.
[04:55] <destroyer> nop}
[04:55] <sklav> i downloaded a bunch of pdf today
[04:55] <Delvien> nalioth ok whats the command hehe
[04:55] <destroyer> its down
[04:56] <Strike4ce> I dont understand why I cannot connect to other wireless access points?
[04:56] <destroyer> give me the path of the file
[04:56] <destroyer> on the host
[04:56] <sklav> weird
[04:56] <destroyer> so i can download it
[04:56] <sklav> it works from ie
[04:56] <sklav> but not firefox
[04:56] <nalioth> Delvien: "sudo mv /var/tmp/kdecache-dm /var/tmp/kdecache-dm-bak"
[04:57] <destroyer> any other idea?
[04:57] <crisco> well thanx for your help :) it didt work however
[04:57] <Delvien> nalioth now restart X
[04:57] <sklav> what is ur email address
[04:57] <sklav> msg it to me
[04:57] <anto9us> crisco, what was the error?
[04:58] <destroyer> i gave it to you
[04:58] <destroyer> in the private msg
[04:58] <Delvien> nalioth ?
[04:58] <sklav> i didnt get it
[04:58] <destroyer> and you didnt get the lines ?
[04:58] <nalioth> Delvien: what?
[04:58] <sklav> nope
[04:58] <crisco> cannot access archive: no such file or directory
[04:58] <Delvien> nalioth do i ahve to restart X or try a sudo again
[04:58] <destroyer> you cant see what i am writting...
[04:58] <destroyer> jesus
[04:58] <destroyer> i am writting to you
[04:58] <destroyer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:58] <nalioth> Delvien: what are you sudo'ing?
[04:59] <anto9us> crisco, did you download from here? ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[04:59] <Delvien> nalioth system settings in KDE , so i can get my Administration mode and Wireless card working
[04:59] <destroyer> hey you can send me the file
[04:59] <destroyer> from here
[04:59] <destroyer> just use send
[04:59] <crisco> if it makes any difference- i just started this-so it has nothing but what comes with the cd
[04:59] <destroyer> and thats it
[04:59] <crisco> yeah i downloaded it
[04:59] <nalioth> Delvien: dont ever sudo a kde app, use kdesu instead
[04:59] <destroyer> sklav?
[04:59] <crisco> i still have the downloads box open
[05:00] <crisco> it didnt put an icon or anything on my desktop
[05:00] <nalioth> Delvien: that is maybe what caused your problem
[05:00] <anto9us> crisco, it saved to your Desktop?
[05:00] <Delvien> nalioth aye
[05:00] <crisco> it says on the bottom all files are downloaded to : desktop
[05:00] <crisco> it says on the bottom all files are downloaded to : desktop
[05:00] <anto9us> crisco, now sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/realplayer_10.0.6-0.1_i386.deb
[05:00] <Strike4ce> I dont understand why I cannot connect to other wireless access points?
[05:00] <anto9us> crisco, do that in a terminal
[05:01] <Delvien> nalioth i cant seem to get my wireless card to enable, even with kdesu
[05:01] <odat> anyone know how to trouble shoot glx / opengl problems with nvidia cards?
[05:01] <sklav> I just sent it by email
[05:02] <nalioth> Delvien: i'm pretty lost on wireless. just remember if it's a kde gui app you need root privs for, use kdesu
[05:02] <destroyer> just right click on my nickname
[05:02] <destroyer> and use send file
[05:02] <destroyer> thats it
[05:02] <Delvien> nalioth ok
[05:02] <sklav> its on a diff machine
[05:02] <sklav> i have 3 stations
[05:02] <Delvien> nalioth thanks bro
[05:02] <sklav> check your hotmail account'
[05:02] <sklav> it should be there shortly
[05:03] <sklav> just comment out the shares
[05:03] <Strike4ce> nalioth what if you use sudo?
[05:03] <destroyer> what shares?
[05:03] <destroyer> the share command?
[05:03] <sklav> i have some shares specified in the file
[05:03] <anto9us> crisco, I forgot something, first you need to sudo apt-get install realplayer
[05:03] <destroyer> oh  ok
[05:03] <nalioth> Strike4ce: it messes up your user space (permissions and such)
[05:03] <destroyer> you mean your share files
[05:03] <sklav> yes
[05:03] <crisco> oh ok
[05:03] <sklav> but they are in the conf i sent you
[05:03] <nalioth> Strike4ce: you should use gksudo (gnome) and kdesu (kde) to open gui apps as root
[05:03] <Strike4ce> nalioth would it mess up wireless?
[05:04] <destroyer> ok i have a questiong
[05:04] <destroyer> question*
[05:04] <sklav> sure
[05:04] <nalioth> Strike4ce: have no idea
[05:04] <destroyer> how you put the security?
[05:04] <destroyer> useR?
[05:04] <eolo999> hi guys ,i've a problem with sound in breezy...
[05:04] <sklav> user
[05:04] <destroyer> or username password?
[05:04] <sklav> is the easiest
[05:04] <destroyer> and used a file for users?
[05:04] <destroyer> ok
[05:04] <destroyer> how do i navigate with samba?
[05:05] <destroyer> or the network server in the places menu make the job?
[05:05] <crisco> it says o upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded
[05:05] <sklav> it does the job
[05:05] <eolo999> when i click on the mixer icon in desktop it says it has no volume control device!! someone can help me?
[05:05] <sklav> im new to ubuntu
[05:05] <sklav> so im getting used to the tools
[05:05] <destroyer> theres not another program like smb4k
[05:05] <destroyer> for ubuntu?
[05:05] <sklav> been using centos redhat for the longest time
[05:05] <destroyer> i see
[05:05] <destroyer> i just installed this linux since a week
[05:06] <sklav> it works ;)
[05:06] <destroyer> and with the forums i configured my nvidia drivers, sound and everything
[05:06] <sklav> that is a good sign
[05:06] <eolo999> kernel modules for sound are recognized, alsa is installed, but...
[05:06] <destroyer> just need the network and the games working and thats all sending windows to trash lol
[05:07] <sklav> network will work
[05:07] <sklav> games depends what
[05:07] <sklav> hehe
[05:07] <destroyer> i have the cedega
[05:07] <sklav> there is always civ
[05:07] <eolo999> hey someone read my post
[05:07] <eolo999> ???
[05:07] <murtaugh> im trying to compile a driver. is the kernel_tree required?
[05:07] <destroyer> but the problem is the architecture
[05:07] <destroyer> 686
[05:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone help me get gmailfs working?
[05:07] <destroyer> cedega doesnt support it
[05:07] <sklav> im not even sure what cedega is
[05:07] <destroyer> an emulator
[05:08] <destroyer> like wine
[05:08] <sklav> ah
[05:08] <anto9us> crisco, sudo apt-get update and try again
[05:08] <destroyer> www.transgaming.com
[05:08] <destroyer> how old are you?
[05:08] <crisco> ok
[05:08] <eolo999> sound problem, help please
[05:08] <sklav> im 29
[05:08] <destroyer> oh
[05:08] <destroyer> i am 10
[05:08] <sklav> and cheating alredy
[05:08] <sklav> hehe
[05:09] <murtaugh> wow 10 and running linux?
[05:09] <crisco> anto9us, it did all this crazy stuff and now says done
[05:09] <murtaugh> nice work
[05:09] <destroyer> you cheating?
[05:09] <anto9us> crisco, now try apt-get install realplayer
[05:09] <destroyer> sorry about my english it sux
[05:09] <sklav> cheating meaning i sent you a preped smb.conf
[05:09] <sklav> took me month to figure out samba when i started
[05:09] <destroyer> oh :( yea
[05:09] <destroyer> sorry
[05:10] <sklav> lol
[05:10] <sklav> doesnt bother me
[05:10] <bur[n] er> 10 and on irc... what kinda parents do you have anyway geez ;)
[05:10] <destroyer> but i dont receive it jet
[05:10] <sklav> some people learn by seeing examples
[05:10] <crisco> it said permission denied
[05:10] <destroyer> not in linux
[05:10] <destroyer> hey but i read all the topics about samba
[05:10] <anto9us> crisco, sorry, sudo apt-get install realplayer
[05:11] <destroyer> and i didnt figure out how to make it work
[05:11] <destroyer> thats why i came here i am really near to quit it and just use the remote
[05:11] <crisco> it repeated what it said before
[05:11] <sklav> destroyer trial and error is your friend
[05:11] <crisco> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[05:11] <crisco> crisco@Debbie:~$ sudo apt-get install realplayer
[05:11] <crisco> Reading package lists... Done
[05:11] <crisco> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:11] <crisco> realplayer is already the newest version.
[05:11] <crisco> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[05:11] <destroyer> :D i know
[05:11] <crisco> crisco@Debbie:~$
[05:11] <destroyer> send it bye irc
[05:11] <destroyer> by
[05:12] <destroyer> or to my other account
[05:12] <destroyer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:12] <anto9us> crisco, look at Applications | Sound and Video, is Real Player 10 in there?
[05:12] <crisco> yes the icon is there
[05:12] <bur[n] er> realplayer... bleh... why not just use totem to play real player files?
[05:12] <anto9us> crisco, click it
[05:12] <crisco> i did-it does nothing
[05:13] <crisco> it says starting realplayer
[05:13] <crisco> then dissapears
[05:13] <anto9us> crisco, that's the .bin version, I don't know how to remove it
[05:13] <crisco> ahh-lol
[05:13] <crisco> its coool
[05:14] <destroyer> thx
[05:14] <crisco> thanx for your help thus far
[05:14] <sklav> hope it helps
[05:14] <sklav> destroyer stop using hotmail it sucks
[05:14] <sklav> 10 minutes and still no email
[05:14] <mloskot> AFAIK ndiswrapper.ko comes with Ubuntu 5.10 kernel but why all HOWTOS about ndiswrapper installs ndiswrapper-source package but not mention any compilation step?
[05:14] <destroyer> ok
[05:14] <destroyer> i have gmail too
[05:14] <destroyer> lol
[05:14] <destroyer> i should gave it to you
[05:15] <K_Dallas> gmail is usally very fast
[05:15] <K_Dallas> i have had no problem with 30gigs.com either
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> use abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.com for your free email!
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use "Linuxmail.org"
[05:15] <K_Dallas> sure, thanks for the suggestion
[05:15] <sklav> i just use postfix / squirrelmail ;)
[05:15] <anto9us> crisco; try sudo apt-get install -f realplayer
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> the  abc.... one is funny however.
[05:16] <sklav> awesome no limits full bandwidth
[05:17] <Entranced> any apache masters in here ?
[05:17] <sklav> no master but might be able to help
[05:17] <Entranced> well...not necessarily masters
[05:17] <Entranced> :)
[05:17] <destroyer> ok i paste it
[05:17] <mloskot> Hehe, abc..."Education is the key to unlock the golden door of freedom" my friend says "get all those keys and you will be able to become a janitor" :-)))
[05:17] <destroyer> now it should work ?
[05:17] <Entranced> lemme explain my dillema
[05:18] <sklav> sure
[05:18] <destroyer> i have to restart the samba?
[05:18] <sklav> yes destroyer
[05:18] <sklav> or the changes will not take effect
[05:18] <destroyer> ok done
[05:18] <destroyer> lets see
[05:18] <sklav> any change to smb.conf needs a restart
[05:18] <sklav> also you should see you linux box in windows network neighboorhood
[05:19] <Entranced>  my default location for web-related filesis  "home/www/mysite.com" That location has permissions for user/group set to www-data. I am able to access the content through browser no problem. The problem I'm having is accessing that same directory through ssh (I have permission denied to my own dir). The root set up my word-press for me, but I can't manage anything through ssh.
[05:19] <Entranced>  Another thing is that when I change user permissions on home/www/mysite.com to my user ID, I am able to ssh into the box... but the website doesn't work through browser (Permission denied error occurs)
[05:19] <destroyer> nop
[05:19] <destroyer> i dont
[05:19] <sklav> takes a few seconds for windows to
[05:20] <sklav> Entranced, you need to make sure apache group has access to that share
[05:20] <destroyer> how i do that?
[05:20] <destroyer> not workign klav
[05:20] <sklav> destroyer do what?
[05:20] <Entranced> sklav, it does (www-data permissions are set on that directory)
[05:20] <destroyer> :(
[05:20] <destroyer> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[05:20] <sklav> ok but your user is not part of www-data
[05:21] <sklav> group
[05:21] <destroyer> i did that
[05:21] <sklav> yes destroyer
[05:21] <destroyer> well nothing happens
[05:21] <sklav> wait a few seconds
[05:21] <sklav> on windows xp you should see your machine
[05:21] <sklav> in groups
[05:21] <destroyer> where i have to put my ip?
[05:21] <sklav> /etc/groups
[05:21] <sklav> you dont smb protocol uses broadcast
[05:21] <Entranced> sklav, that is correct I'm not part of the www-data group (wouldn't that be a risky thing to give regular user permissions of a www-data group ?)
[05:22] <sklav> yes
[05:22] <sklav> i thought you needed for admin reasons
[05:22] <sklav> the setup i use is somewhat different
[05:22] <sklav> i leave everything under /var/www/somedomain.com
[05:22] <Entranced> well, I'm not sure what happened...before I was able to ssh and the website was OK as well.... now it is either or ...
[05:23] <destroyer> whats the command for watch my ip on linux?
[05:23] <sklav> ipconfig
[05:23] <destroyer> like ipconfig
[05:23] <sklav> ifconfig
[05:23] <Delvien> can anyone help me with this ? can anyone help me with tihs ? http://pastebin.com/417895
[05:23] <sklav> Entranced, when you say either or?
[05:23] <Entranced> well...
[05:24] <destroyer> it doesnt work .-..
[05:24] <destroyer> i gave windows like 10 mins lol
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> i dont see how the permissions on the www dir would affect you sshing in.
[05:24] <sklav> are u on windows now?
[05:24] <destroyer> no
[05:24] <destroyer> on linux
[05:24] <destroyer> and the other one on windows
[05:24] <sklav> ok
[05:25] <Entranced> if I change permissions from www-data to my user ID, the website doesn't display (permission denied), and when the permissions are set to www-data then I have no accesss through ssh to the websites root directory
[05:25] <sklav> on windows in network neighborhood
[05:25] <sklav> nothing shows up if you refresh it?
[05:25] <destroyer> nop
[05:25] <destroyer> it should but ...nop
[05:25] <sklav> u sure windows is on LAN domain?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> you mean you cant access the Dir.. you can SSH in...
[05:26] <destroyer> yea
[05:26] <destroyer> cuz that my workgroup when i have both on windows
[05:26] <destroyer> and it works
[05:26] <sklav> destroyer, is there a firewall on linux?
[05:26] <destroyer> on windows everything goes good
[05:26] <destroyer> nop
[05:26] <destroyer> i am naked
[05:26] <destroyer> :(
[05:27] <destroyer> dont try anything geeks lol
[05:27] <sklav> is samba even running?
[05:27] <psusi> your network is behind a nat/firewall/router right?
[05:27] <sklav> try /etc/init.d/samba status
[05:27] <destroyer> how should i know it?
[05:27] <destroyer> * Usage: /etc/init.d/samba {start|stop|reload|restart|force-reload}
[05:27] <destroyer> thats what it said
[05:28] <sklav> 1 sec
[05:28] <destroyer> why linux have to be so hard
[05:28] <destroyer> lol
[05:28] <aeruder> destroyer: you should see me try to use windows
[05:28] <destroyer> meet linux meet pain
[05:28] <aeruder> destroyer: i get laughed at
[05:28] <aeruder> :)
[05:29] <sklav> try this   less /var/run/samba/nmbd.pid
[05:29] <sklav> and less /var/run/samba/smbd.pid
[05:29] <destroyer> 10461
[05:29] <destroyer> thats what it says
[05:29] <rrbiz> Video card setup any help with that here anyone?
[05:30] <sklav> what is your ip?
[05:30] <sklav> internal
[05:30] <sklav> is it 192.168.1.x
[05:30] <sklav> or something else?
[05:30] <destroyer> ifconfig?
[05:30] <sklav> yes
[05:30] <sklav> what is your internal ip?
[05:31] <destroyer> i cant see any ip with 192.168.1.x
[05:31] <destroyer> is a dhcp
[05:31] <destroyer> the inet address?
[05:31] <sklav> well your problem might be your network
[05:31] <qzio> where can i find sources for msttcorefont?
[05:31] <sklav> is dhcp running on linux?
[05:31] <destroyer> how i configure it?
[05:31] <destroyer> yep
[05:31] <sklav> i know your on the internet
[05:31] <destroyer> lol
[05:32] <sklav> ok
[05:32] <destroyer> the ethernet is set dhcp
[05:32] <sklav> how many network cards in your linux machine
[05:32] <destroyer> one
[05:32] <sklav> i know
[05:32] <sklav> there is your problem
[05:32] <destroyer> why?
[05:32] <sklav> you cant be on the network and on the internet
[05:32] <sklav> they dont have the same netblock
[05:32] <destroyer> why not?
[05:32] <destroyer> in windows it does
[05:32] <Agrajag> what?
[05:32] <sklav> internal ip and external ip
[05:33] <destroyer> i am using a switch
[05:33] <destroyer> for the internet
[05:33] <Agrajag> sklav: whatever you're smoking, please, cut back
[05:33] <sklav> ok
[05:33] <destroyer> its cable modem
[05:33] <sklav> Agrajag, in smb
[05:33] <sklav> can a non routable ip see a routable ip
[05:33] <destroyer> agrajag help us
[05:33] <Agrajag> let me see the smb.conf file
[05:33] <Agrajag> and I will show you mine
[05:34] <Agrajag> ohman it's like 1st grade all over again
[05:34] <sklav> you remember that far back :)
[05:34] <Agrajag> http://student.ucr.edu/~abneyw01/smb.conf
[05:34] <Agrajag> very simple, read-only access on the linux host in that file
[05:35] <sklav> yes
[05:35] <destroyer> thats the smb.conf
[05:35] <destroyer> :(
[05:35] <Agrajag> set up the same way?
[05:35] <Agrajag> Can the two machines ping each other?
[05:35] <sklav> i sent him my file
[05:35] <sklav> similar more comments
[05:35] <qzio> I want to install win true type fonts, (verdana, arial etc) it says something about msttcorefonts in the forum, but i've enabled "universe" but apt-cache search mstt does not find the package
[05:35] <destroyer> yea
[05:35] <sklav> then what is the ip?
[05:36] <destroyer> you dont ahve the netbios sklav
[05:36] <qzio> it's really wierd becouse i installed the package like... 3 days ago, but this is a new install..
[05:36] <Agrajag> destroyer: they can ping each other by number? Have you tried smbclient -L <ipaddress>?
[05:36] <destroyer> i didnt tried that but i try with ping
[05:36] <destroyer> on windows
[05:36] <sklav> if netbios is not defined system uses the histname
[05:36] <destroyer> and the app on system tools in ubuntu
[05:36] <destroyer> and it worked
[05:36] <Agrajag> try smbclient, it'll ask for a passwor,d just hit enter
[05:36] <sklav> destroyer what did you ping from windows?
[05:37] <Agrajag> you should see a list of shares on that machine
[05:37] <destroyer> ping ip_adrress
[05:37] <sklav> what is the ipaddress?
[05:37] <sklav> is the question
[05:37] <thrush> qzio: im seeing it prob in multiverse
[05:38] <destroyer> ok i made the smbclient -L <ipaddress>?
[05:39] <destroyer> and it didnt work
[05:39] <destroyer> but on windows i can ping
[05:39] <destroyer> my linux
[05:39] <destroyer> comp
[05:39] <Agrajag> destroyer: you ran smbclient -L <ipaddress>?
[05:39] <sklav> what are you pining?
[05:39] <sklav> hostname?
[05:39] <sklav> ip address?
[05:39] <destroyer> and it works
[05:39] <destroyer> ip address
[05:39] <Agrajag> you need to replace that with the ip address...
[05:39] <Agrajag> ok
[05:39] <qzio> thrush: tried it already... i can do it again
[05:39] <destroyer> i did  i am not that noob lol
[05:39] <Agrajag> and what happened?
[05:40] <destroyer> error conecting
[05:40] <sklav> his network is messed
[05:40] <sklav> 1 nic card
[05:40] <Blake_Seven> Hi all I just installed brezzy for the first time. What command do I give to set static ip at <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway at <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[05:40] <sklav> what is you ip destroyer
[05:40] <destroyer> for what?
[05:40] <holycow> Blake_Seven, just use gui
[05:40] <holycow> system / admin / netowkring
[05:40] <sklav> to see if its a internet ip
[05:41] <destroyer> it begins with 218...
[05:41] <sklav> ok
[05:41] <destroyer> 201.218...
[05:41] <sklav> what is the windows ip
[05:41] <destroyer> 201.218....
[05:41] <Blake_Seven> Don't want gui.  :P
[05:44] <GTroy> I'm using breezy, how do I boot a live cd?
[05:44] <destroyer> whats a NAT box
[05:44] <destroyer> ?
[05:44] <mlalkaka> i'm currently a debian user planning to switch to ubuntu. i wondering about this statement on ubuntu's website: "Each release is supported with free security updates and fixes for at least 18 months." does this mean after 18 months i have to get another ubuntu cd and upgrade my OS in order to get security updates; or can this upgrade of operating system be done over the internet as well?
[05:44] <GTroy> if breezy is installed?
[05:45] <Agrajag> destroyer: those things they call "routers" but really aren't
[05:45] <destroyer> whats a NAT box?
[05:45] <Madpilot> mlalkaka: you can do dist-upgrades
[05:45] <Agrajag> like the linksys WRT54G
[05:45] <mustard5> mlalkaka, no..you can upgrade via apt-get
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> mlalkaka,  apt-get SOMTHING to update to the latest version :P
[05:45] <destroyer> ok
[05:45] <destroyer> a router then
[05:45] <Mason059> you can upgrade over the net using apt mlalkaka
[05:45] <Agrajag> not really, but that's what they call them
[05:45] <mlalkaka> Madpilot, mustard5, Dr_Willis, Mason059: thanks
[05:45] <destroyer> so... you cant help me with my network?
[05:46] <Mason059> np mlalkaka
[05:46] <sklav> i thought smb wont route over internet ips
[05:46] <destroyer> why windows does?
[05:46] <Agrajag> it had better not
[05:46] <sklav> cause the ISP blocks them
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> sklav,  i dont think its supposed to.
[05:46] <mlalkaka> also is it possible to install ubuntu without formatting/creating a home directory, since i would like to preserve the one i have right now.
[05:46] <sklav> and destroyer is using 2 valid ip to try and use smb
[05:46] <destroyer> well windows use the gateway
[05:46] <mustard5> mlalkaka, the expert install option allows you greater control over partitioning
[05:47] <bris> salut
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> it pays to have backups jkust in case.
[05:47] <mustard5> mlalkaka, you can choose which partitions to format (or not) and the mount points
[05:47] <destroyer> what should i do?
[05:47] <mlalkaka> mustard5, oh. perfect :)
[05:47] <GTroy> hmmm, how do I get ubuntu to boot a live cd?
[05:47] <Blake_Seven> how do i set ip address from command line ?
[05:47] <mustard5> mlalkaka, default install just uses the whole drive
[05:48] <nathanj> whats does thge little ubuntu logo mean next to packages in synaptic?
[05:48] <sklav> destroyer get a router or make 1 with your linux system
[05:48] <mustard5> mlalkaka, or I should say jsut installs to ONE partition
[05:48] <sklav> its the easist option fro you now
[05:48] <destroyer> make one?
[05:48] <destroyer> lolll
[05:48] <sklav> yes
[05:48] <destroyer> how i do that
[05:48] <sklav> linux is so powerfull
[05:48] <sklav> hehe
[05:49] <sklav> u setup iptables
[05:49] <destroyer> i cant even make a lan how you think i will make a router lol
[05:49] <sklav> to allow routing from internal computers to the net
[05:49] <mustard5> mlalkaka, you can hit F1 for help on install options when the install disk boots up
[05:49] <sklav> im teasing you
[05:49] <sklav> so you dont give up
[05:49] <mlalkaka> mustard5, what's the recommended partition setup? do you think it's better to keep everything on one partition or on two separate partitions: one for system files and one for home directories?
[05:49] <sklav> think of all the power
[05:49] <destroyer> ok ...answer me why windows does?
[05:50] <sklav> i dont know your network setup
[05:50] <destroyer> how windows see the network and give me internet at the same time
[05:50] <esc_ape> mlakaka - having a separate /home partition just makes reinstallations easier...
[05:50] <StarKruzr> who's around tonight?
[05:50] <regeya>  /who
[05:50] <mustard5> mlalkaka, I prefer seperate /home for clean installs without losing configs..
[05:50] <sklav> windows is borked
[05:50] <destroyer> lol
[05:50] <sklav> i dont know
[05:51] <esc_ape> ub3rborkd
[05:51] <StarKruzr> meh
[05:51] <regeya> windows has been attacked by the swedish chef?
[05:51] <StarKruzr> why bother, mustard
[05:51] <ksmurf> hey all.  I installed network-monitor on my laptop but it seems to be loading twice ( I have to enter my keyring pass twice)...... where or how do I find this and how can I change it?
[05:51] <bigfoot1> i'm trying to get the latest version of a package ("opensync) via "subversion. http://www.opensync.org/wiki/download#subversion. How do i do this?
[05:51] <nekostar> heh
[05:51] <nekostar> that like
[05:51] <nekostar> the FIRST time i heard or said that :D
[05:51] <regeya> the bot needs a partitioning war rule
[05:51] <regeya> !start a partitioning war
[05:51] <ubotu> regeya: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:51] <bigfoot1> it said i must do this command: "svn co http://svn.opensync.org/trunk opensync". but how exactly do i do this command?
[05:51] <bigfoot1> i'm a newbie
[05:51] <regeya> seriously, the bot needs to have a '!start a partitioning war' rule
[05:51] <StarKruzr> is it true that you don't really need a swap partition anymore?
[05:52] <ksmurf> !war
[05:52] <ubotu> ksmurf: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:52] <regeya> bogfppt1" apt-get install subversion first
[05:52] <bigfoot1> regeya: thank you!
[05:52] <regeya> bigfoot1: apt-get install subversion first.
[05:52] <regeya> np
[05:52] <sklav> cd
[05:52] <StarKruzr> i.e. Linux will dynamically allocate swap as needed?
[05:52] <StarKruzr> ls
[05:52] <imc1> Hey, just upgraded to breezy on this notebook and everything works except double-tap and drag on the mousepad.
[05:52] <mustard5> mlalkaka, I am pretty sure there is a tool in the expert install that sort of automatically partitions your drive according to space available and assigns seperate mount points.  It seems to divide the space up nicely, but this might entail losing your /home the first time around
[05:52] <Entranced> imc1, install synaptics
[05:53] <imc1> double-tap to select or double-click still works. Entranced, synaptics? What be that?
[05:53] <mlalkaka> mustard5, yeah i think i'll have to back up my home dir
[05:53] <sklav> later all im going to play socom 3
[05:53] <Agrajag> StarKruzr: what, no
[05:53] <sklav> ;)
[05:53] <mustard5> mlalkaka, k well good luck :)
[05:53] <mlalkaka> mustard5, thanks
[05:53] <Agrajag> StarKruzr: where did you hear that?
[05:54] <bigfoot1> is there a webpage that will teach me how to do all the things that synaptic does, but only in a CLI?
[05:54] <imc1> Entranced, what's synaptics?
[05:54] <Entranced> imc1, just check
[05:54] <Entranced> if it is installed
[05:54] <Entranced> This package provides an input driver for the X.Org X server to enable
[05:54] <Entranced> advanced features of the Synaptics Touchpad including:
[05:54] <bigfoot1> for example : sudo apt-get install .... , sudo apt-get remove ....
[05:54] <lymz> hey ubuntu, i'm having trouble getting sound working on my brother's computer, it's a Dell Dimension 3000
[05:54] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: search the Ubuntu wiki, I think the page is called AptGetHowto
[05:55] <EnsignRedshirt> I have a win2000 computer and an ubuntu computer on my home network. I can ssh from either of them to my office computer, but I can't ssh (ie with putty or winscp) from the win2000 computer to Ubuntu.  sshd is running on the Ubuntu computer.
[05:55] <bigfoot1> Madpilot: thank you.
[05:55] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: found it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto
[05:55] <EnsignRedshirt> I get a "Connection timed out" error when I try to connect from the win2000 computer to the ubuntu computer.
[05:56] <ngutwirth> yo how do i check my ubuntu version in the terminal thing?
[05:56] <bigfoot1> hi pupil
[05:56] <EnsignRedshirt> The ubuntu ip on my local network is <IP_ADDRESS>, and that is the address I am using to try to connect to from the win2000 computer.
[05:56] <bigfoot1> pupil, believe it
[05:56] <adamjone> any advice on how to install w32codecs?
[05:57] <pupil> bigfoot1, Ahhhh, a ray of light
[05:57] <ngutwirth> anyone know? How can i check my ubuntu version in the terminal
[05:57] <holycow> EnsignRedshirt, do you have firestarter running perhaps?
[05:57] <mustard5> ubotu: tell adamjone about w32codecs
[05:57] <imc1> Entranced, can't find it in apt-get or the application installer. Just installed tpconfig but can't seem to launch it.
[05:57] <ngutwirth> hey mustard
[05:58] <mustard5> hey ngutwirth :)
[05:58] <ngutwirth> do u know how
[05:58] <ngutwirth> :-/
[05:58] <mustard5> adamjone, check PM from ubotu
[05:58] <ngutwirth> someone told me before
[05:58] <ngutwirth> but i dont remember
[05:58] <Entranced> imc1, if you use Synaptic (package manager), try searching for synaptics (with an S at the end) and see if it is installed
[05:58] <mustard5> ngutwirth, your kernel version or whether you have breezy or hoary?
[05:58] <lymz> can anyone point me to how i can fix my sound?
[05:58] <ngutwirth> i wanna check that
[05:58] <mustard5> ngutwirth, uname -r gives you a kernel version
[05:58] <bigfoot1> anybody here use opensync on their breezy ubuntu computer?
[05:59] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: Good call. In fact, I have firestarter installed.
[05:59] <ngutwirth> 2.6.12-9-386
[05:59] <ngutwirth> ?
[05:59] <mustard5> ngutwirth, you have breezy if you have your terminal menu in Applications>>Accessories :)
[05:59] <holycow> it will by default stop everything except outbound
[05:59] <ngutwirth> do i have 5.10
[05:59] <ngutwirth> or 5.4
[05:59] <ngutwirth> 5.10 is newer right?
[05:59] <mustard5> I have 5.10
[06:00] <mustard5> oh
[06:00] <mustard5> hehe
[06:00] <ngutwirth> how can i check if i have 5.10
[06:00] <mustard5> soz
[06:00] <Agrajag> ngutwirth: cat /etc/lsb-release
[06:00] <mustard5> Agrajag, thanks
[06:00] <ngutwirth> 5.10 breezy :-)
[06:00] <ngutwirth> ok nice
[06:00] <mustard5> Agrajag, I been wondering the same thing
[06:00] <charlie5> hi ... i have trouble using festival speech synth with ubu (hoary) ... i install with synaptic, enter festival, but it just hangs when i try to get it to talk ... can anyone suggest a possible cause or cure ... thanks
[06:00] <ngutwirth> thats the newest right
[06:01] <mustard5> ngutwirth, correct
[06:01] <ngutwirth> if there is an update for the OS, will it be in update manager
[06:01] <ngutwirth> or would i have to get it manually
[06:01] <Agrajag> charlie5: system>preferences>sound, and sdisable the sound server, see if that fixes it
[06:01] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: That's probably the problem.  I'm about to dig for docs about firestarter, but if there is a quick fix...  (maybe something like "allow from 192.168.1.*"...?)
[06:01] <mustard5> ngutwirth, you manually do dist-upgrades
[06:02] <mahangu> charlie5, try killall esd
[06:02] <ngutwirth> ok
[06:02] <holycow> EnsignRedshirt, well, just learn how to use it
[06:02] <mahangu> in the shell before you do it
[06:02] <ngutwirth> oh 1 mor thing
[06:02] <mustard5> ngutwirth, updates will only show you updates to packages
[06:02] <holycow> firestarter is a pretty darn good frontend for iptables
[06:02] <holycow> just add the rules for whatever you want to let through
[06:02] <holycow> its simple
[06:02] <charlie5> Agrajag, mahangu ...  thanks ... i'll give both a try
[06:02] <ngutwirth> should i make a normal user account and use that one for myself or is just loggin in as admin fine?
[06:02] <Agrajag> charlie5: they both do pretty much the same thing
[06:02] <Agrajag> so they should both work
[06:03] <mustard5> ngutwirth, that might be overkill, just be careful with sudo in admin account
[06:03] <ngutwirth> meaning?
[06:03] <mustard5> ngutwirth, unless your dangerous with sudo :)
[06:03] <ngutwirth> what do u mean by sudo in admin account
[06:03] <warty> how can i change the X resolution using the warty live cd (without rebooting)?
[06:04] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: Right...but I just spent a few hours getting tortoisesvm/putty/pageant figured out on a win2000, and my brain is full.  i don't think I can learn any more today :)
[06:04] <holycow> EnsignRedshirt, how about this
[06:04] <holycow> do you have a router between  you and the net?
[06:04] <charlie5> ah :)
[06:04] <holycow> if so just turn off firestarter and take your time and learn to set everything up properly
[06:04] <Agrajag> I take it it worked?
[06:04] <mustard5> ngutwirth, your admin accoutn will have sudo privileges, you could set up a user account with no sudo privileges so you can't do admin functions if you thought you were better off restricting yourself
[06:04] <mustard5> ngutwirth, but it seems overkill
[06:04] <EnsignRedshirt> holycow: Yes.  (And that was I joke, of course.  It's probably about time that I learned a bit more about firestarter.)
[06:04] <EnsignRedshirt> s/I/a/
[06:04] <ngutwirth> but what do you mean by being caraful with sudo?
[06:04] <mustard5> ngutwirth, better to just think twice before doing admin tasks
[06:05] <holycow> :) lol oh haha
[06:05] <Arafangion> In Nero, as I burn ubuntu, it says "The entered block size does not correspond to the image length. The block size may be wrong. Do you want to correct the value or ignore the problem?"
[06:05] <ngutwirth> how can you be careful?
[06:05] <holycow> i didn't actually read your whole sentence
[06:05] <mustard5> ngutwirth, sudo allows you to do admin tasks
[06:05] <foampeace> how do i remove one of those x drivers without removing xcore?
[06:05] <ngutwirth> yea... like install somethig
[06:05] <holycow> newb questions require reading only the first few syllables to be honest :)
[06:05] <warty> anyone? I tried editing /etc/X11/XF86* but that didn't seem to make any difference
[06:05] <ngutwirth> when you say be careful do you mean dont install too much stuff
[06:05] <charlie5> thanks again ... one last question ... can i tell ubu to keep packages, so that if i uninstall a package and then later wish to re-install, the package doesn't have to be d/l'ed again ?
[06:06] <mustard5> ngutwirth, be careful would be not just mindlessly typingn in sudo this and sudo that without thinking of what its actually doing
[06:06] <siimo> hi anyone here run ubuntu breezy with "nv" display driver???
[06:06] <ngutwirth> oh ok
[06:06] <mustard5> ngutwirth, sudo is a powerful command and once executed there may be no turning back on whatever changes you made
[06:06] <ngutwirth> so actually u can add sudo before every command if u wanted to although its not required
[06:07] <ngutwirth> or not always needed
[06:07] <mustard5> ngutwirth, all admin tasks require you to use sudo
[06:07] <ngutwirth> oh ok
[06:07] <ngutwirth> nice
[06:07] <ngutwirth> :-D
[06:07] <ngutwirth> im up and running
[06:07] <ngutwirth> oh ya whats the thing on the bottom right corner
[06:07] <ngutwirth> those squares
[06:07] <ngutwirth> what do they do
[06:07] <mustard5> ngutwirth, workspaces
[06:07] <mustard5> ngutwirth, they are for making your desktop look organised :)
[06:08] <ngutwirth> uhh
[06:08] <ngutwirth> it doesnt seem to do anything
[06:08] <mustard5> ngutwirth, stops things getting cluttered
[06:08] <Arafangion> ngutwirth: Or hiding your games from the boss when he comes around, without messing up the arrangement :)
[06:08] <ngutwirth> when firefox is open it sjust a circle in the middle
[06:08] <foampeace> no one has an answer to my question?
[06:08] <mustard5> click on the squares and it changes to another 'desktop'
[06:08] <Arafangion> ngutwirth: Open a few programs and then click on a different desktop.
[06:08] <Madpilot> ngutwirth: they're virtual desktops
[06:08] <holycow> ngutwirth, you can open up apps in each desktop separately.  if you have a complex workflow that requires 20 apps you can put 5 on each desktop and switch back and forth cleanly
[06:08] <ngutwirth> ohh
[06:08] <ngutwirth> got it
[06:08] <ngutwirth> didnt see that
[06:09] <ngutwirth> ok thanks
[06:09] <ngutwirth> lates
[06:09] <EnsignRedshirt> Ooh, that's weird.  I just used synaptic to completely remove firestarter, and I got an error window: "E: firestarter: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1"
[06:09] <mustard5> ngutwirth, np
[06:09] <sergio> HI
[06:09] <sergio> i need an expert in ubuntu
[06:09] <sergio> I have special needs in that
[06:09] <sergio> I'll tell you
[06:09] <holycow> just ask, if someone knows they will answer
[06:09] <Madpilot> sergio: ask your question, and someone here can probably fake being an expert... :)
[06:09] <holycow> forget trolling
[06:10] <Arafangion> Hmm, it's a corrupt download.
[06:10] <sergio> I use a lot the voyage 200, but I use windows xp, I want to know if someone know how to use it in ubuntu?
[06:10] <destroyer> how do i install the firestarter for 686 smp ubuntu distro?
[06:11] <frogzoo> holycow, or just open 20 virtual desktops :)
[06:11] <sergio> I use a lot the voyage 200, but I use windows xp, I want to know if someone know how to use it in ubuntu?
[06:11] <destroyer> how do i install the firestarter for 686 smp ubuntu distro?
[06:11] <warty> sergio: what's a voyage 200?
[06:11] <Madpilot> sergio: what is that, a piece of hardware, a program???
[06:12] <foampeace> sergio: did you check www.winehq.com ?
[06:12] <holycow> frogzoo, lol
[06:12] <mustard5> destroyer, same way as 386 people do it?  sudo apt-get install firestarter
[06:12] <EnsignRedshirt> destroyer: The package is firestarter.  Use apt-get, or synaptic.
[06:12] <sergio> voyage 200 it's a ingeneering calculator
[06:12] <destroyer> ok i found it
[06:12] <Arafangion> sergio: For windows?
[06:12] <destroyer> thx anyways :D your my heroes
[06:12] <warty> sergio: you wanna use this? http://education.ti.com/us/product/accessory/connectivity/features/cables.html#usbwinmac
[06:12] <destroyer> i dont wanna be naked anymore you gusy scared me
[06:12] <sergio> it's a hardware for windows,
[06:12] <warty> sergio: you could try wine. otherwise i guess you're out of luck
[06:13] <Arafangion> sergio: Got a website about it?
[06:13] <durt> sergio: use tilp for file transfers, tiemu for emulation
[06:13] <sergio> thank you
[06:13] <foampeace> with wine youre usually out of luck heh
[06:14] <warty> foampeace: actually i got ie running quite well the other day... pretty amazing
[06:14] <crisco> i have a question can anyone help?
[06:14] <mustard5> crisco, we will know when you ask :)
[06:14] <frogzoo> foampeace, how so? wine runs most everything, if not, there's Crossover Office
[06:14] <Arafangion> foampeace: For win98 compatible apps, wine is very good now.
[06:14] <Madpilot> !+ask
[06:14] <ubotu> ask is probably Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answer. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html.
[06:14] <thrush> just installed winrar using wine since unrar-nonfree wasnt working wine rocks
[06:15] <Arafangion> foampeace: It's apps that require winXP or hardware drivers that are problematic.
[06:15] <EnsignRedshirt> Synaptic in breezy doesn't show a terminal with the commands and their results.  But the error window says to "Scroll in the terminal buffer to see what went wrong."  Is this information stored somewhere?
[06:15] <SEJeff> EnsignRedshirt: Yes it does
[06:15] <crisco> im having a real hard time with linux and i think it would be better to remove it from my computer-i still have (uck) windows on my computer. can i safely remove linux?
[06:15] <warty> EnsignRedshirt: isn't there a little triangle to click?
[06:15] <SEJeff> EnsignRedshirt: As it is installing, click the down arrow to see the terminal output
[06:15] <mustard5> EnsignRedshirt, you might have the terminal output set to close when the install finishes
[06:15] <frogzoo> foampeace, go to Codeweavers site - and see the hundreds of apps the Codeweavers offer with commercial support
[06:16] <davix> im trying to compile a script to block a port at my machine
[06:16] <davix> but gcc file.c dosent work
[06:16] <davix> it echos $? as 0
[06:16] <mustard5> EnsignRedshirt, if you don't tell it to close when finished it will remain there waiting for you to hit 'ok'
[06:16] <davix> but no output file
[06:16] <davix> why is that?
[06:16] <SEJeff> devix: gcc -o file file.c
[06:16] <Arafangion> crisco: Yes, but for the bootloader, you will have to reinstall it, unless you are happy with the new bootloader.
[06:16] <davix> erm
[06:16] <EnsignRedshirt> warty: Yes, you are correct.  It is there.
[06:16] <warty> davix: there's no a.out?
[06:16] <davix> syntax syntax
[06:16] <davix> tnx
[06:16] <SEJeff> devix: But you don't need to compile a c program just to change iptables?
[06:16] <foampeace> frogzoo: ya i guess its better that theyre offering a way out of chaos
[06:16] <crisco> bootloader
[06:17] <crisco> ?
[06:17] <SEJeff> devix: just use a shell script or the commandline
[06:17] <davix> how does it go?
[06:17] <Arafangion> crisco: The program that loads the OS is often termed a "bootloader".
[06:17] <SEJeff> davix: install an iptables frontend
[06:17] <SEJeff> davix: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[06:17] <thrush> crisco: curious, what exactly were you having a problem with in ubuntu?
[06:17] <davix> i'll google it
[06:17] <Arafangion> crisco: And what version of ubuntu?
[06:17] <SEJeff> davix: man iptables
[06:18] <psusi> firestarter doesn't support ipsec does it?
[06:18] <frogzoo> aaaarghh... man iptables - iptables takes some getting used to
[06:18] <SEJeff> psusi: Support ipsec? It is an iptables frontend. Not a vpn frontend
[06:18] <Arafangion> frogzoo: I gave up and used shorewall instead :)
[06:19] <psusi> SEJeff: k... thought so, figured I'd ask though
[06:19] <Arafangion> psusi: I have not used firestarter, but I believe that ipsec is outside the realm of firewalls.
[06:19] <psusi> ipsec uses iptables it looks like, so I thought maybe...
[06:19] <SEJeff> Arafangion: Take a look at firestarter
[06:19] <SEJeff> Arafangion: You are correct
[06:19] <foampeace> i have a problem with ubuntu....people are still using windows
[06:19] <Arafangion> psusi: firewalls will operate on *top* of whatever protocols you are using.
[06:19] <Arafangion> foampeace: What are you saying?
[06:19] <crisco> im not a genius or anything but i used to have basic knowledge of computers. but ive forgotten alot of the terms and stuff and even the simplest of things are a chore-i want to learn but at this time i simply dont have the time. ive tried and people have tried to help me but its just become a huge fustration. at this point id pay someone to fix it all up for me (thats how much i hate windows
[06:19] <crisco> )
[06:20] <psusi> it looks like ipsec is implemented with some iptables rules/modules
[06:20] <SEJeff> psusi: You could use iptables to allow or block ipsec ports. That is the amount of ipsec using iptables basicly
[06:20] <warty> crisco: did ya try os x?
[06:20] <psusi> ipsec itself does not have ports
[06:20] <mustard5> crisco, what problem are you having with ubuntu?
[06:20] <SEJeff> psusi: What are you reading about ipsec?
[06:20] <crisco> mac?
[06:20] <psusi> SEJeff: http://www.ipsec-howto.org/t1.html
[06:20] <foampeace> Arafangion: only thing is that if the windows people were here instead of there we could be doing more here
[06:20] <SEJeff> psusi: A vpn does. And that is what ipsec is mostly used for
[06:20] <warty> crisco: for now, guess so - it's a possibility if you're looking to spend some cash
[06:21] <mustard5> crisco, dont' worry I'm just finding your question..
[06:21] <psusi> SEJeff: no, it doesn't... it forwards packets at the IP layer
[06:21] <Arafangion> mustard5: I don't think he ever told us the problem he was having.
[06:21] <mustard5> Arafangion, k
[06:21] <crisco> when i use mac or windows i feel confined-i want to be able to do what i want-its just figuring out how thats the issue
[06:21] <mustard5> Arafangion, I think his problem is how do I uninstall
[06:22] <thrush> crisco: i find mac more frustrating than windows really..
[06:22] <Arafangion> crisco: Are you asking how to delete a program?
[06:22] <SEJeff> psusi: And what is the main reason to encrypt and forward packets at the layer 4? vpn
[06:22] <psusi> IP<-IPSEC<-IP... then maybe, but not neccesarily <-TCP/UDP ( which have ports )
[06:22] <mustard5> Arafangion, how to uninstall ubuntu
[06:22] <meta> trying to use apt-get, but it keeps crying about a broken skype package, how do I stop it crying?
[06:22] <SEJeff> psusi: Or just general lan network encryption
[06:22] <warty> meta: can you remove the broken package?
[06:22] <mustard5> crisco, basically you are asking how to uninstall ubuntu right?
[06:23] <crisco> basically yeah
[06:23] <psusi> looks like it might be a bit of a pain to set up... but really nifty stuff
[06:23] <meta> warty - it's an updated skype package, a .deb, I'd prefer not to remove it
[06:23] <warty> crisco: you could boot into windows, fdisk /mbr and reformat the linux partitions if memory serves...
[06:23] <psusi> much nicer than other vpn stuff I've seen
[06:23] <crisco> how do you learn this stuff
[06:23] <warty> meta: how is it broken?
[06:24] <warty> crisco: i forgot :-)
[06:24] <warty> crisco: and it may be wrong - check it with google first
[06:24] <crisco> thats what i want to do-is it in a book? or what
[06:24] <psusi> what was that about fdisk /mbr?
[06:24] <SEJeff> psusi: ipsec vpn can be a pain unless you use something like openswan. I prefer http://www.sshtools.com/showSslExplorer.do for vpn.  Once you've passed that curve you just pickup everything as 'common knowledge'.
[06:24] <warty> crisco: google knows most stuff, learning to use google efficiently is the first step to mastering linux IMO :-)
[06:24] <meta> warty - says it has unmet dependancies but it's installed and runs fine.
[06:24] <frogzoo> crisco, there's good documentation for new users http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[06:25] <warty> meta: which dependencies? you could use aptitude to find out
[06:25] <Arafangion> crisco: It's like learning how to speak a forien language, it's hard to learn words when you've just started, but once you know it very well, picking up words is very easy.
[06:25] <psusi> SEJeff: is that a ppp over ssh tunnel?
[06:25] <crisco> yahoo is way better than google but thanx-lol :)~
[06:25] <Arafangion> crisco: At one time yahoo *used* google.
[06:25] <SEJeff> psusi: No, an ssl tunnel
[06:25] <crisco> well now i want to try
[06:25] <mustard5> crisco, :)
[06:26] <Arafangion> crisco: And for linux and techie stuff, google is one of the best.  Different search engines have different strengths.
[06:26] <psusi> SEJeff: ppp over ssl?  ssl is nifty
[06:26] <crisco> i really dont have the heart to get id of this
[06:26] <mustard5> crisco, thats fair enough
[06:26] <meta> warty - "skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[06:26] <psusi> x.509 digital certificates rock
[06:26] <mustard5> crisco, if you don't want to then you shouldnt have to :)
[06:26] <Arafangion> meta: Ahh, it's a debian package?
[06:26] <SEJeff> psusi: yes, sslexplorer is a very cool solution
[06:26] <crisco> ok yall-well thanx for the help-i guess i'll go try to read all this stuff now-lol
[06:26] <mustard5> crisco, I'm just lost for a guide on how to uninstall :)
[06:26] <warty> meta: if i were you, i'd install from the .tar.gz on the skype site and remove that package. it's for debian, not ubuntu
[06:27] <crisco> i think thas the point
[06:27] <blank> hey guys, does anyone know the repository for eclipse
[06:27] <psusi> SEJeff: but I don't really like having to 'dial up' vpns
[06:27] <psusi> that's why I like ipsec... it's transparent
[06:27] <warty> meta: and i don't see any advantage of using .deb over .tar.gz, since skype doesn't offer a repository (i think)
[06:27] <mustard5> crisco, stay in channel and ask questions as you read stuff
[06:27] <blank> or can anyone help me get eclipse, I'd like the C++ one
[06:27] <warty> meta: so the apt-get update goodness is lost
[06:27] <SEJeff> psusi: wow, you totally miss the point
[06:27] <mustard5> crisco, we won't kick you out for not wanting to use ubuntu ;)
[06:27] <psusi> no dialing up... no entering passwords... just when you communicate with another ipsec host, it's encrypted...
[06:27] <meta> warty - so remove and get the static compilled one, ok I will try that, cheers mate
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> How do I find out my build date for bugzilla reporting?
[06:28] <SEJeff> psusi: The cisco vpn that I used an hour ago to remote into my server at work to restart apache was ipsec
[06:28] <Arafangion> psusi: It still needs passwords and shit.
[06:28] <warty> meta: well you don't need the static one - there's a dynamically linked .tar.gz one too
[06:28] <blank> can anyon tell me any other useful repositorys for synaptic
[06:28] <meta> ah k
[06:28] <mustard5> ubotu: tell blank about repositories
[06:28] <psusi> Arafangion: nope... it can use digital certificates to authenticate and negotiate a random session key
[06:28] <Arafangion> meta: I'd recommend you use something like checkinstall to monitor the installation.
[06:28] <SEJeff> psusi: That all depends on implementation. What you are talking about is more along the lines of kerberos
[06:28] <Arafangion> meta: So that you can use dpkg to remove it.
[06:28] <mustard5> blank, check pm from ubotu
[06:29] <frogzoo> blank, if you start using repos outside of the official ones, things can get rocky
[06:29] <SEJeff> psusi: IPSEC doesn't do SSO near as well as kerberos
[06:29] <meta> Arafangion, yeah I've heard about checkinstall, ./config, make, checkinstall right?
[06:29] <SEJeff> If you use dapper, things can get rocky :)
[06:29] <psusi> SEJeff: well, there are two parts... the transparency is simply the fact that IPsec automatically encrypts packets as they go on the wire, rather than using a ppp connection to do it...
[06:29] <Arafangion> meta: It's: checkinstall 'command used to install program'
[06:29] <psusi> I don't like kerberos... x.509 is way better
[06:29] <ams_> hello how do i setup ubuntu with linux-linux sharing
[06:29] <Arafangion> meta: In the case of source code, the command to *install* the program is usually 'make install'.
[06:30] <mustard5> ubotu: tell blank about sources
[06:30] <Arafangion> meta: if that makes sense.
[06:30] <SEJeff> psusi: Yes, it is layer 4 encryption aka at the network layer (ip address level)
[06:30] <psusi> kerberos still uses shared secrets, which can be compromised, and are difficult to set up ( both parties have to agree on the sectre a priori )
[06:30] <meta> Arafangion, yeah it does, cheers
[06:30] <frogzoo> ams_ you want nfs mounts & nfsd
[06:30] <ams_> where can i find that
[06:31] <psusi> also to communicate with another kerberos host, you must first speak with a KDC to get a TGT
[06:31] <psusi> what if the KDC is down?  not good
[06:31] <warty> Arafangion: meta i believe that the "installation" consists of tar zxvf skype*.tar.gz
[06:31] <warty> Arafangion: meta so it's not too insidious
[06:32] <SEJeff> psusi: You are correct
[06:32] <frogzoo> ams_ check the nfs related packages - nfs-user-server probably is what you want
[06:32] <Kalidarn> anyone know where to get the 2.6.0 DEB for XChat?
[06:32] <ams_> i am a linux noob
[06:32] <crisco> can i get a what what?
[06:32] <SEJeff> psusi: I can use stunnel to tunnel telnet access and secure it if I want to easily
[06:32] <destroyer> hey guys i need a full repositories list file ...
[06:33] <destroyer> anyone have one who works fien
[06:33] <destroyer> fine
[06:33] <destroyer> ...
[06:33] <psusi> SEJeff: aye... but that is nowhere near transparant
[06:33] <aeon17x> destroyer: you mean you didn't make a backup?
[06:33] <mustard5> ams_, I'm not sure what you mean by linux linux sharing..can you elaborate on what you want to do?
[06:33] <ams_> over the network
[06:33] <destroyer> i did but i lost it
[06:33] <destroyer> lol
[06:33] <psusi> you have to explicitly connect the tunnel, then change the application to use the tunnel instead of directly connecting to the remote host
[06:33] <destroyer> its a repository for 686
[06:33] <SEJeff> psusi: But I can set it up in < 30 seconds
[06:33] <warty> ams_: you mean a remote shell?
[06:33] <frogzoo> ams_, also nfs_common for the client - but for docs, read the nfs paragraph in "man mount"
[06:33] <ams_> dunno, i want another linux machine to be able to access my shared files
[06:34] <warty> oh
[06:34] <SEJeff> ams_: Use samba
[06:34] <mustard5> ams_, thats a better question
[06:34] <warty> ams_: yes, i'd avoid nfs for simple file sharing. go for samba
[06:34] <SEJeff> You can't seriosly expect a linux n00b to setup nfs and play with /etc/exports
[06:34] <frogzoo> SEJeff, samba for linux linux file sharing? no way dude
[06:34] <mustard5> ubotu: tell ams_ about samba
[06:34] <ams_> what can u use
[06:34] <SEJeff> When there is a perfectly good right click --> sharing nautilus <---> samba integration
[06:35] <warty> frogzoo: avoids silly things like having to worry about switching off machines in the correct order...
[06:35] <destroyer> how you install samba?
[06:35] <SEJeff> Samba is high performance
[06:35] <mustard5> ams_, check the pm from ubotu and check out the how to set up samba page
[06:35] <warty> frogzoo: nfs is a PITA
[06:35] <psusi> SEJeff: yea, but you have to 1) reconnect the tunnel for each session, 2) make sure your client software uses the tunnel, every time, 3) have to use a different procedure to set up each application to use the tunnel and 4) some apps can't be configured to use it
[06:35] <ams_> k
[06:35] <SEJeff> ams_: You want samba
[06:35] <mustard5> ams_, come back if you have questions
[06:36] <destroyer> i need a repository
[06:36] <psusi> NFS sucks... it's an absurdly stupid protocol when it comes to things like security
[06:36] <destroyer> XD
[06:36] <frogzoo> warty, nfs is a PITA because of the safeguards built into the protocol, unlink SMB
[06:36] <meta> warty - ah very nice work ty, all solved
[06:36] <psusi> i.e. the client just tells the server the uid it wants to access the files as... and the server simply trusts it
[06:36] <SEJeff> ACLS, more intelligent locking... samba is better
[06:36] <destroyer> who knows  a good howto for samba install?
[06:37] <DR_K13> google
[06:37] <DR_K13> lolz
[06:37] <Arafangion> destroyer: "apt-get install samba"
[06:37] <mustard5> ubotu: tell destoyer about samba
[06:37] <SEJeff> destroyer: Use synaptic or apt-get and install it
[06:37] <mustard5> you guys are not very helpful :)
[06:37] <destroyer> i already installed it
[06:37] <destroyer> now how i configure it for my network
[06:37] <SEJeff> destroyer: Then just right click a folder and click Sharing
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> Anybody know the package name for a grocery list utility?  (I saw it once, but can't remember.)
[06:37] <Arafangion> destroyer: That's a different question :)
[06:37] <destroyer> lol mustard
[06:37] <mustard5> destroyer, check pm from ubotu
[06:37] <warty> destroyer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76647
[06:38] <warty> destroyer: first google hit for "samba ubuntu howto"
[06:38] <treitter> does anyone know if there are any Ubuntu packages for X.org <IP_ADDRESS>1?
[06:38] <destroyer> i did that
[06:38] <destroyer> warty
[06:39] <destroyer> and didnt worked for me
[06:39] <mustard5> destroyer, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[06:39] <frogzoo> ams_ sounds like in your case, samba will get you up to speed quickest
[06:39] <warty> destroyer: how did it fail?
[06:39] <SEJeff> treitter: I am on dapper, no there are not
[06:39] <destroyer> ok ...i cant make the last step
[06:39] <destroyer> the mount step
[06:39] <treitter> SEJeff: yeah, I saw that they aren't in the official repository :)
[06:39] <blank> can ubuntu give me the link to the tutorial on installing ati drivers for ubuntu, it's on the ubuntu site but I forgot the link
[06:39] <SEJeff> !ati
[06:39] <ubotu> I heard ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:39] <mustard5> destroyer, describe the error or use the pastebin to paste large error messages
[06:39] <frogzoo> blank, google Ubuntu fglrx
[06:40] <blank> kaaaay! ;D
[06:40] <destroyer> ok wait
[06:40] <mustard5> ubotu: tell destroyer about pastebin
[06:40] <DR_K13> how do you like dapper SEJeff?
[06:40] <destroyer> and i have another problem
[06:40] <destroyer> the smb.conf
[06:40] <SEJeff> DR_K13: Only a few things better I noticed so far
[06:40] <destroyer> mine is crashed i need a new one
[06:40] <destroyer> i didnt back up :(
[06:40] <DR_K13> such as>?>
[06:40] <SEJeff> DR_K13: rhythmbox uses libnotify to show what song is playing in a bubble like the update-manager
[06:40] <psusi> hrm... does nautilus have a webdav protocol handler?
[06:41] <blank> anyone know if I can use eclipse with gcc?
[06:41] <SEJeff> DR_K13: Deskbar applet (very very cool) works for me now
[06:41] <DR_K13> cool
[06:41] <wickedpuppy> blank, you mean gcc with eclipse ?
[06:41] <SEJeff> DR_K13: And my ipod stopped working :-(
[06:41] <agag> err..okay ..i have a ubuntu live cd..i also have a wireless connection..how can i get ubuntu to recoginze it...and ..can i be on windows and crap..and also be able to view the live cd without shutting down?
[06:41] <psusi> nevermind... looks like it does... very sweet
[06:41] <psusi> wonder how well it works... hrm....
[06:42] <destroyer> someone help me with my smb.conf i need a new one :(
[06:42] <blank> yeah, that wickedpuppy
[06:42] <warty> blank: google seems to think so... http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8349506804.html
[06:42] <SEJeff> psusi: webdav has been in gnome-vfs for awhile now
[06:42] <wickedpuppy> blank, get cdt
[06:42] <DR_K13> are the songs toast?
[06:42] <blank> yes wickedpuppy, I was looking at CDT but I'm stumped and dont know which to get, there's runtime stuff and the like
[06:42] <SEJeff> DR_K13: No, it doesn't recognize it yet. Nothing major. Just needs to be updated
[06:42] <destroyer> someone help me with my smb.conf i need a new one :(
[06:42] <stbain> ubotu: tell agag about wireless
[06:42] <wickedpuppy> blank, which to get ? huh ?
[06:42] <blank> may I use synaptic or apt-get to install it wickedpuppy?
[06:43] <SEJeff> destroyer: Use google to find one
[06:43] <psusi> SEJeff: looks like natively mounting it though is only in very early development.... oh well... having it in gnome-vfs might be good enough...
[06:43] <destroyer> thx for the help SEJeff!
[06:43] <blank> yes wickedpuppy, which one of these http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php
[06:43] <agag> you didnt answer my other question
[06:43] <DR_K13> SEJeff  what do you like to use
[06:43] <wickedpuppy> blank, http://eclipse.org/downloads/index.php
[06:43] <SEJeff> psusi: I haven't played with webdav that much. I am actually a fan of ifolder
[06:43] <blank> er...sorry, wrong link
[06:43] <agag> is it possible to run ubuntu live cd without shutting down windows?
[06:43] <destroyer> he like to use GOOGLE!!
[06:43] <stbain> agag: regarding the question about being in Windows and viewing the liveCD... the short answer is "yes, but not easily"
[06:43] <agag> gasp
[06:43] <blank> yeah wickedpuppy, it refreshes the page so it's not the page you want to take me too
[06:43] <wickedpuppy> blank, get the current release ?
[06:44] <agag> you think you could tell me how
[06:44] <blank> wickedpuppy, there's CDT runtime, CDT SDK, etc.
[06:44] <psusi> SEJeff: what's ifolder?  I've been using subversion at work for software control... it's based on webdav/deltav, so I started laying with webdav... it's neat
[06:44] <stbain> you'll want some sort of virtualization software
[06:44] <destroyer> i wasnt here if i didnt made googles searches...
[06:44] <agag> stbain, i dont know what wireless card i have
[06:44] <wickedpuppy> blank, huh ?
[06:44] <blank> nevermind I got it, sorry
[06:45] <wickedpuppy> blank, CDT 3.0.0 (for use only with Eclipse Platform 3.1.X) <---- follow this instruction
[06:45] <SEJeff> psusi: Another one of novell's mono children that is very nice for file sharing: http://www.ifolder.com/index.php/Main_Page
[06:45] <stbain> agag: run "lspci -v" in a console and see if you see it anywhere in there
[06:45] <psusi> SEJeff: set up some certificates for access, and can upload/download/browse files on my work computer from any web browser in the world... with my client cert... and windows webfolders opens it nicely for other manipulation ( copy, move, etc )
[06:45] <blank> I just wanted to know if i must compile it myself, I'd rather use synaptic or apt-get
[06:45] <agag> stbain, i dont know what i ahve
[06:45] <agag> have*
[06:45] <wickedpuppy> blank, you just use eclipse update manager ...
[06:45] <wickedpuppy> no need to compile
[06:45] <P00f> Hi all! does Ubuntu have PHP installed by default?  I need to develope PHP applicaions. and uploading to my website to test is verry time consuming... TIA
[06:45] <blank> haha, I'm dumb, thanks bud
[06:45] <stbain> yes, but when you run lspci -v and see "[Vendor here]  Wireless PCMCIA Card" you may find out
[06:46] <psusi> for some reason the world 'novell' has sounded dirty to me since I stopped using netware 3.x and dos 5
[06:46] <Arafangion> P00f: I doubt it has it by default.
[06:46] <SEJeff> psusi: I am a redhat / unix guy. But work is a Unix / Novell shop
[06:46] <Arafangion> P00f: You need to install apache and mod_php, and you need to set it up.
[06:46] <wickedpuppy> P00f, you can install it anyway later :P no problem there
[06:46] <Arafangion> P00f: If your career involves making websites, it would be valuable experience.
[06:46] <SEJeff> psusi: I work on HP-UX or Novell Open Enterprise Server. It's not too bad either
[06:46] <|sam|> hi there, anyone know what dir i would find an icon for a program i have just installed? i just installed znes but it didnt make a menu entry
[06:46] <P00f> yea :)
[06:46] <P00f> thanks
[06:47] <GigaClon> !smeg
[06:47] <ubotu> smeg is, like, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Installed by default in Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy). For Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary) get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:47] <stbain> and on that note, I need to get back to my invoicing lest I never get paid... good luck, agag
[06:47] <wickedpuppy> blank, where you see the sdk and so on btw ? i can't find them
[06:47] <rain`> yay I just discovered the whereis commmand, I am a happy man
[06:48] <|sam|> breezy has a menu editor built in, what i want is the icon for zsnes to put in a launcher
[06:48] <wickedpuppy> rain`, try locate too
[06:48] <blank> im choosing a mirror, hold on...wtf, playboy enterprises mirror?
[06:48] <thirso> !java
[06:48] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[06:48] <psusi> SEJeff: once I switched from netware 3.x and dos 5 to NT 3.50, I never looked back at novell
[06:48] <SEJeff> |sam|: /usr/share/icons/themename I think is the ubuntu default
[06:48] <psusi> not really kept up with what they have been doing
[06:48] <|sam|> SEJeff, thankyou
[06:48] <SEJeff> psusi: 3.51 was so much better
[06:49] <frogzoo> rain`, which is shorter ;)
[06:49] <psusi> but I do have fond memories from highschool of hacking the netware bindery and hiding supervisor equivalent non user objects in there that I could log in with a modified login program... and the security tools wouldn't see ;)
[06:49] <frogzoo> rain`, also, consider locate
[06:49] <psusi> SEJeff: NT 3.51?  the only difference I really remember was on the fly file compression
[06:50] <psusi> it was like a $15 upgrade... hehe
[06:50] <P00f> must I install 32 bit ubuntu to make 64 bit ATI drivers work? this is the case in fedora core 4...
[06:50] <SEJeff> psusi: That was sarcasm :-)
[06:50] <psusi> ahh ;)
[06:50] <blank> wickedpuppy I went to update install and I cant find them :(
[06:50] <frogzoo> psusi, NT with compressed file systems??? no....
[06:50] <Pablo> is there a command in ubuntu that is = to ipconfig /flushdns in windows
[06:50] <Pablo> my dns is really slow on my ubuntu machine
[06:50] <wickedpuppy> blank, what you did ?
[06:50] <psusi> that was back in the days when MS was pushing for a service pack every quarter, and an inexpensive new version to upgrade to every year or two...  hehe...
[06:50] <Arafangion> psusi: Novel did DOS _very_ well.
[06:51] <psusi> Arafangion: well, it was better than banyan vines or lan manager ;)
[06:51] <Arafangion> Pablo: How is it slow?
[06:51] <|sam|> SEJeff, found it in /usr/share/pixmaps, thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[06:51] <Arafangion> Pablo: Are you testing it with 'dig'?
[06:51] <blank> wicked puppy, I cnat get CDT installed, I dont know how
[06:51] <wickedpuppy> blank, just follow the instructions there ...
[06:51] <Pablo> I dont know about dig
[06:52] <Pablo> it might take 20 seconds to resolve google
[06:52] <Arafangion> Pablo: It's a tool used to test dns.
[06:52] <blank> wickedpuppy, where
[06:52] <destroyer> how do i uninstall my samba?
[06:52] <destroyer> how do i uninstall my samba?
[06:52] <Pablo> but it is the only machine on me network that is slow with dns
[06:52] <destroyer> sorry
[06:52] <Arafangion> Pablo: It might be part of dnstools, bindtools or whatever.
[06:52] <psusi> destroyer: remove the package?
[06:52] <Pablo> ok
[06:52] <charlie5> thanks folks ... killall esd fixed my festival prob :)
[06:52] <wickedpuppy> blank, http://eclipse.org/downloads/index.php .. click on CDT Download
[06:53] <frogzoo> Pablo, check /etc/resolv.conf make sure you can ping all the ips in there
[06:53] <wickedpuppy> blank, then look for this topic CDT 3.0.0 (for use only with Eclipse Platform 3.1.X) <---- and follow the instruction there :P
[06:53] <Pablo> ok thanks
[06:53] <psusi> Arafangion: funny thing... even though I was using netware 3.x 10 years ago... linux still does not handle permissions half as well as it did... heh
[06:53] <DR_K13> meh
[06:54] <psusi> that I just don't get...
[06:54] <T0mato> yo
[06:54] <T0mato> stbain
[06:54] <Pablo> frogzoo it is just my local dns server
[06:54] <Pablo> I can ping it
[06:55] <DR_K13> soup
[06:55] <Pablo> frogzoo,  can I add any others ther
[06:55] <T0mato> i typed in vspci -v and a bunch of crap came up....you said something about some virtualization software..what do you reccomend?
[06:55] <Arafangion> psusi: How so?
[06:55] <frogzoo> Pablo, then the problem is upstream - either use a different server, or complain to your ISP
[06:55] <Pablo> hmm
[06:55] <Arafangion> Pablo: Install dig, and test it.
[06:55] <frogzoo> Pablo, you connecting with ppp/pppoe?
[06:56] <Pablo> I ran dig
[06:56] <Arafangion> Pablo: See what "dig www.google.com" does
[06:56] <Pablo> nope... I have static dsl
[06:56] <Arafangion> Pablo: Now, how long does dig say it takes?
[06:56] <Pablo> ; Query time: 280 msec
[06:56] <psusi> Arafangion: we're still stuck with read/write for owner/group/other... even 10 years ago with novell I could grant a mix of like 7 different access permissions including administer, and set the inherited rights mask to control how the rights flowed downhill... quite a bit more flexible
[06:57] <mmc_> hi
[06:57] <Arafangion> Pablo: Now, show us your entire /etc/resolv.conf file please.
[06:57] <Arafangion> psusi: Linux has that too.
[06:57] <Arafangion> psusi: It's an option.
[06:57] <mmc_> how can i log like admin?
[06:57] <Pablo> search designsdallas.local
[06:57] <Pablo> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:57] <Seveas> mmc_, not
[06:57] <wickedpuppy> !tell root to mmc_
[06:57] <psusi> Arafangion: not from what I understand... acls still only have r/w/x for a given uid/gid, or is that not correct?
[06:57] <Pablo> thats it Arafangion
[06:57] <T0mato> stbain
[06:57] <wickedpuppy> eh
[06:58] <psusi> and that is still per file, no inheriting permissions
[06:58] <LoneWolf071> how do i change permissions when doing FTP?
[06:58] <Arafangion> psusi: You want "advanced acl"'s.
[06:58] <stbain> yes, T0mato?
[06:58] <psusi> where can I read about these?
[06:58] <T0mato> you said something about some virtualization software..what do you sugges?
[06:58] <T0mato> suggest*
[06:58] <Seveas> LoneWolf071, chmod
[06:58] <Pablo> Arafangion, search designsdallas.local
[06:58] <Pablo> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:58] <frogzoo> Pablo, comment out the search line
[06:58] <Pablo> ok
[06:58] <stbain> I suggest wiping the partition and forgetting about the virtualization software
[06:58] <mmc_> how_
[06:58] <Audigy38> Hello
[06:58] <stbain> but if you must run both, why not just dual boot?
[06:59] <LoneWolf071> Seveas:i know that, but in a ftp prompt?
[06:59] <T0mato> its a live cd!
[06:59] <mmc_> how? im new in Ubuntu
[06:59] <warty> psusi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list
[06:59] <Seveas> chmod :)
[06:59] <mmc_> i wanna install some programs
[06:59] <Seveas> site chmod 0777 filename
[06:59] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, sudo
[06:59] <Seveas> (iird)
[06:59] <wickedpuppy> !sudo
[06:59] <ubotu> sudo is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:59] <LoneWolf071> ty
[06:59] <mustard5> mmc_, what program?
[06:59] <mmc_> Amsn
[06:59] <Seveas> mmc_, indtalling in ubuntu does not mean compiling
[06:59] <Pablo> frogzoo, now it is  Query time: 505 msec
[06:59] <Pablo>  for google
[06:59] <Seveas> if you downloaded amsn manually, throw it out again
[06:59] <Pablo> that is slow right?
[07:00] <T0mato> stbain, how do i dual boot
[07:00] <Seveas> and use applications -> add applications
[07:00] <Arafangion> psusi: This should kick start your research: http://acl.bestbits.at/
[07:00] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, sudo apt-get install amsn ...
[07:00] <mustard5> mmc_, sudo apt-get install amsn in terminal?
[07:00] <T0mato> !dual boot
[07:00] <ubotu> T0mato: What?
[07:00] <T0mato> !dualboot
[07:00] <Arafangion> psusi: May need to recompile your kernel, but I have definetly seen the options available in 2.6
[07:00] <ubotu> somebody said dualboot was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[07:00] <mmc_> ok
[07:00] <stbain> T0mato: dual boot means that when your computer boots up, you choose whether you would like to boot into Linux or Windows
[07:00] <Pablo> ;; Query time: 2736 msec
[07:00] <T0mato> i want to be on both at the same time
[07:00] <T0mato> ..
[07:00] <stbain> T0mato: check out http://www.vmware.com/
[07:00] <psusi> so are you saying it is possible to say... have me give you permission to change permissions on my home dir, then you grant someone else read access?
[07:00] <mmc_> how can i log like root_
[07:01] <Seveas> mmc_, not
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> Is there a list of the applications that would be included in Applications -> Add Applications online somewhere?  (My gnome-app-install is busted, so I thought I'd try apt-getting something if I could figure out the name.)
[07:01] <mustard5> mmc_, read the message from ubotu on rootsudo
[07:01] <mmc_> cant i_
[07:01] <Madpilot> anyone having trouble logging into GMail right now? I can enter my un/pw, then it just sits there with "Loading..." the only thing on the screen...
[07:01] <mmc_> ok
[07:01] <mmc_> thank !
[07:01] <Seveas> please read wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo and wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositories
[07:01] <mmc_> bye
[07:01] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, you can .. but its discouraged .. for security reason
[07:01] <Seveas> ^-- mmc_
[07:01] <stbain> tonyyarusso: sudo apt-cache search [your application's name here]
[07:01] <T0mato> !dualboot
[07:01] <ubotu> I heard dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[07:02] <mmc_> how can  i put arroba
[07:02] <wickedpuppy> arroba ?
[07:02] <Arafangion> psusi: Your dns is very slow.
[07:02] <durt> madpilot: i have been having that problem recently in opera
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> stbain: That's the problem; I don't know the name.
[07:02] <Arafangion> psusi: Possibly windows keeps a cache.
[07:02] <mustard5> mmc_, what is arroba?
[07:02] <Arafangion> psusi: You could install bind as a cache'ing dns server.
[07:02] <stbain> tonyyarusso: what kind of software are you looking for?
[07:03] <nisq> DualBoot can cause problems,  you should stick with the Grub
[07:03] <Madpilot> durt: that's what I'm using too, but it was fine last night... will check w/ FF...
[07:03] <mmc_> @
[07:03] <frogzoo> Pablo, what are you using to do name resolution locally, bind?
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> stbain: It was a nifty little tool for making grocery lists.  (Not crucial, but it was kind of fun.)
[07:03] <Pablo> 2k3 server :\
[07:03] <slew> i've got a window that wont close. ive tried sudo killall sopwith but it dosent work. how do i kill a window?
[07:03] <durt> madpilot: it worked just now... i don't know what was going on
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> stbain: I remember seeing it at one point, but don't remember the name now.
[07:04] <wickedpuppy> slew, try kill 9 pid
[07:04] <Madpilot> durt: just deleted all my Google cookies, I'll try again
[07:04] <wickedpuppy> kill -9 i mean
[07:04] <psusi> Arafangion: wrong person/question ;)
[07:04] <durt> slew, or get xkill
[07:04] <mmc_> ex: if i want install a program , i put in terminal  sudo apt
[07:04] <mmc_> ?
[07:04] <frogzoo> Pablo, well there's your problem - uncomment the search line & install bind, & point resolv.conf to it
[07:05] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, sudo apt-get install <app_name>
[07:05] <Arafangion> psusi: Sorry, I've been cooking dinner, what was that about? (wrong person/ wrong question)
[07:05] <mmc_> if i downloaded in the desktop
[07:05] <psusi> Arafangion: and it still looks to me like you can only grant r/w/x and set an IRM... can't give admin rights, or explicitly deny rights
[07:05] <mmc_> its same?
[07:05] <mustard5> mmc_, it might be easier for you to use synaptic package manager in your System>>Administration>>Synaptic Mananger
[07:05] <T0mato> stbain, what was the purpose of vspci -v ?
[07:05] <Pablo> install bind on my laptop?
[07:05] <psusi> Arafangion: you were answering someone elses question about dns but you typed it to me
[07:06] <Pablo> frogzoo, install bind on my lappy?
[07:06] <stbain> T0mato: lspci -v
[07:06] <Arafangion> psusi: Ahh.
[07:06] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, that will download and install ... and as mustard5 suggested ... pls see synaptic :P
[07:06] <T0mato> oh..
[07:06] <T0mato> and then what?
[07:06] <slew> durt, thanks, that was all i needed. =]
[07:07] <frogzoo> Pablo, no - that won't be necessary - do you have local machine names coming from the 2k3 server?
[07:07] <Arafangion> psusi: My impression was that you can do much more than that with extended acl's.
[07:07] <mustard5> ubuto: tell mmc_ about synaptic
[07:07] <wickedpuppy> slew, kill -9 didnt kill ?
[07:07] <frogzoo> Pablo, you could just point resolv.conf to your ISPs DNS servers
[07:07] <stbain> T0mato: well, for example, I used it to figure out what kind of network card I have: Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX
[07:07] <Arafangion> psusi: It's at least as good as windows server.
[07:07] <T0mato> and then?
[07:07] <mustard5> mmc_, read message from ubotu on how to use synaptic package manager
[07:07] <stbain> and then make sure the correct driver is loaded
[07:07] <psusi> hrm....
[07:07] <slew> wickedpuppy, no, i did kill -9 pid
[07:07] <T0mato> err
[07:07] <T0mato> hwo do i do that
[07:07] <mmc_> ok
[07:07] <mustard5> when it gets there....
[07:07] <Pablo> I have not added my lappy to active directory no... but dns should still work on the local network if it assigned dhcp right?
[07:07] <slew> wickedpuppy, and it said it needed more arguments
[07:07] <mustard5> hes being slow
[07:07] <stbain> look up what driver you need for that card
[07:07] <mmc_> where is it_
[07:07] <T0mato> okay
[07:07] <T0mato> what is the command again
[07:07] <T0mato> lspci -v ?
[07:07] <stbain> lspci -v
[07:07] <stbain> yes
[07:07] <wickedpuppy> slew, pid = process id ... not pid as in pid
[07:07] <mustard5> mmc_, ubotu is being slow...wait a minute
[07:07] <T0mato> k..brb
[07:07] <mmc_> ok
[07:07] <slew> ahh
[07:07] <mustard5> mmc_, ubotu is the help bot
[07:08] <slew> well then sure that would have worked then heh
[07:08] <mmc_> ok
[07:08] <wickedpuppy> slew, try pidof command .. it will return you the pid of a process ...or look at ps or top
[07:08] <mustard5> mmc_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:08] <slew> i know about top, but havnet tried ps yet
[07:08] <frogzoo> Pablo, if you're using DHCP, then that overwrites resolv.conf
[07:08] <Arafangion> *sigh*, damn I hate windows.
[07:09] <psusi> Arafangion: I seem to only be able to find information on posix acls
[07:09] <psusi> not advanced acls
[07:09] <mmc_> thank mustard5
[07:09] <Pablo> frogzoo, any other suggestions? I guess I will just add my isp's dns servers in resolv.conf till my netadmin sorts stuff out
[07:09] <mustard5> mmc_, come back if you have questions
[07:09] <slew> wickedpuppy, thanks! i appreciate it
[07:09] <Arafangion> psusi: In your searches, instead of 'acl', do "extended acl" (including the quotes)
[07:10] <mustard5> mmc_, read first :)
[07:10] <frogzoo> Pablo, that would be best
[07:10] <Pablo> ok... thanks for your help
[07:10] <Pablo> :)
[07:10] <tonyyarusso> stbain: Did you have any ideas?
[07:10] <wickedpuppy> slew, no prob :P
[07:11] <mmc_> ex: i downloaded programs and lets go see Synaptic
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there some default location that cvs should download to?
[07:12] <wickedpuppy> mmc_, who is ex ?
[07:12] <Arafangion> Damn, windows media player is a *crap* DVD player.
[07:12] <mmc_> example
[07:12] <wickedpuppy> oh ... can put the nick ? it makes us easier to see who is talking to who
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> you're preaching to the choir in here.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> who knows how to use cvs?
[07:13] <wickedpuppy> BROKEN_LADDER, man cvs
[07:13] <fatehaze> This is terribly off topic, but can anyone help me with procmail?
[07:13] <Arafangion> BROKEN_LADDER: I recommend subversion instead.
[07:13] <warty> fatehaze: shoot
[07:13] <durt> probably the home dir, ladder
[07:13] <fatehaze> Well, I'm setting up procmail with sendmail, but I get the following error message on returned mail:
[07:13] <fatehaze> smrsh: "procmail" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> wickedpuppy yeah i'm looking at the man page.
[07:14] <mmc_> help
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> unfortunately man pages suck.
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Arafangion i'm trying to access something.
[07:14] <mmc_> example: i downloaded programs and lets go see Synaptic
[07:14] <Arafangion> BROKEN_LADDER: No they don't. Perhaps the documentation on cvs sucks, but man pages don't suck.
[07:14] <fatehaze> Do I need to add a MAILER(procmail) somewhere?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> man pages suck
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> the format is terrible
[07:14] <Arafangion> BROKEN_LADDER: That "something" is extremely likely to have instructions as to how to access it.
[07:14] <robotgeek> !tell mmc_ about repos
[07:14] <warty> BROKEN_LADDER: the cvs book doesn't suck
[07:14] <warty> BROKEN_LADDER: info cvs IIRC
[07:14] <Arafangion> BROKEN_LADDER: Please substantiate the claim.
[07:15] <Ace> stbain, you did say lspci -v righ?
[07:15] <Ace> right*
[07:15] <mmc_> ok , i have a printer lexmark
[07:15] <Arafangion> BROKEN_LADDER: And they are intended for brief information about unix tools, for the unix administrator.
[07:15] <mmc_>  i want install
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Arafangion man *
[07:15] <mmc_> Lexmark z613
[07:15] <robotgeek> mmc_: search in synaptic, and install the program. i am not sure which one you are looking for
[07:15] <luke_> i <3 ubuntu
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to simply find out where cvs downloads things to?
[07:15] <warty> BROKEN_LADDER: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html
[07:15] <Ace> stbain!
[07:15] <Ace> !wireless
[07:15] <ubotu> wireless is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:15] <mustard5> mmc_, you might have trouble with that..I'm not sure...I hear lexmarks are a bit difficult
[07:15] <warty> BROKEN_LADDER: pwd, generally
[07:15] <Arafangion> psusi: How are you going?
[07:16] <Ace> stbain stbain stbain
[07:16] <robotgeek> mmc_: i would recommend looking on the wiki, wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:16] <mustard5> mmc_, try easier problems first :)
[07:16] <mustard5> robotgeek, good idea ;)
[07:16] <robotgeek> Ace: what are u trying to do?
[07:16] <Ace> err..
[07:16] <Ace> get internet access..with linux cuz i have wireless
[07:16] <mmc_> thank!
[07:16] <Ace> well..i have the disc that installs the driver..but i dont know how to mount a cd
[07:16] <Ace> or whatever
[07:17] <mmc_> my Synaptic dont open!
[07:17] <durt> do you speak english mmc_?
[07:17] <mustard5> mmc_, what does it do?
[07:17] <robotgeek> Ace: are u using ndiswrapper?
[07:17] <Ace> negative
[07:17] <psusi> Arafangion: still not finding anything beyond posix acls... you can grand r/w/x to users or groups for a file... mask out r/w/x access to effectively deny access to certain people... and set defaults for new files in a directory
[07:17] <Ace> i told ya
[07:17] <mustard5> mmc_, does it ask you for a password?
[07:17] <psusi> but nothing about configuring inherited permissions like windows
[07:17] <Ace> i need to know howt o mount a CD
[07:18] <Ace> so i can install teh driv3r
[07:18] <robotgeek> Ace: then what are you doing with drivers cd? :)
[07:18] <Ace> *sigh*
[07:18] <Ace> how do i mount a fsking cd
[07:18] <robotgeek> Ace: windows drivers don't work on linux
[07:18] <psusi> and nothing about simply allowing someone else to modify the acl other than the other ( admin rights )
[07:18] <fatehaze> Any ideas?  I've burned through all the procmail tutorials I could google, but none of them cover this
[07:18] <Ace> robotgeek, so then what do i do?
[07:18] <Ace> will you PM me?
[07:18] <durt> sudo mount /dev/hdc (or /media/cdrom)
[07:18] <warty> fatehaze: sounds to me like you need a sendmail tutorial :-)
[07:19] <robotgeek> Ace: what wireless card do you use
[07:19] <fatehaze> Burned through a ton of those too :(
[07:19] <Ace> robotgeek, dont know
[07:19] <Ace> !wireless
[07:19] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:19] <warty> fatehaze: do you need sendmail? I've never used it, partly because everyone says how stupidly complex it is
[07:19] <wickedpuppy> now the choice is postfix for mail
[07:19] <fatehaze> I'm doing this on a friend's mail server, I think he wants to keep it the way it is
[07:20] <fatehaze> Plus I'm a little wary of installing a new MTA, considering the troubles I'm having so far
[07:20] <Ace> robotgeek
[07:20] <Ace> St-Pauli
[07:20] <fatehaze> Can I install postfix and keep everything intact? ie, the end user won't notice the difference?
[07:20] <mmc_> yes Mustard
[07:20] <Arafangion> psusi: ie, you can do everything except grant "acl change" privilages?
[07:20] <Ace> stbain!!
[07:20] <robotgeek> Ace: lspci -v | grep wireless
[07:20] <mustard5> mmc_, did you put your user password in?
[07:20] <mmc_> yes
[07:20] <Ace> robotgeek, what will that do..and then what do i do from there?
[07:20] <Arafangion> psusi: And that's exactly what you want? To grant acl change privilages to particular groups?
[07:20] <mustard5> mmc_, what happened next?
[07:21] <mmc_> nothin
[07:21] <wickedpuppy> fatehaze, hmms... try on a spare box ? its really a bad idea to change anything on production before testing
[07:21] <robotgeek> Ace: paste the lspci -v output to pastebin
[07:21] <psusi> Arafangion: that and configure how permissions flow downhill
[07:21] <drcode> HI all
[07:21] <Ace> i dont have internet access!!
[07:21] <mustard5> mmc_, hmmmm thats not normal...
[07:21] <durt> ace, yes you do
[07:21] <drcode> if there pdf viewer that I can also past word to clipboard
[07:21] <mmc_> ok
[07:21] <Ace> no i dont fool..not when i use ubuntu
[07:21] <warty> drcode: xpdf
[07:22] <mustard5> mmc_, when did you install ubuntu?
[07:22] <warty> drcode: and i think evince does too
[07:22] <Arafangion> psusi: Looks like you need a sudo'ed program that modifies acls.
[07:22] <psusi> i.e. under windows, I can grant you read access to my home directory, and I can choose for that to apply only to that directory, the files in it, the directories in it, or any combination of the 3
[07:22] <drcode> thanx
[07:22] <luke_> my ubuntu looks cooler than you
[07:22] <robotgeek> Ace: you need to find out what wireless card you have, otherwise it's impossible for us to help you
[07:22] <mmc_> CD
[07:22] <Ace> robotgeek fine then
[07:22] <mustard5> mmc_, did you use default install or expert install?
[07:22] <durt> ace, look for anything in the lspci output that might be your wireless card
[07:22] <SEJeff> luke_: screenshot?
[07:22] <Arafangion> Damn, windows can't even play DVD"s by default.
[07:22] <mmc_> expert
[07:22] <Ace> durt, there are 23904u923 thigns that come up
[07:22] <mustard5> mmc_, ah ok
[07:23] <mustard5> mmc_, I know what the problem is
[07:23] <Ace> brb
[07:23] <Doomhammer> can someone help answer a question i've got about APT ?
[07:23] <robotgeek> Ace: lspci -v | grep wireless
[07:23] <Seveas> Ace, lspci | grep -i ethernet
[07:23] <luke_> SEJeff, its not that good lol, just way better than windows
[07:23] <mmc_> wats it
[07:23] <DR_K13> ace = cool guy lolz
[07:23] <mustard5> mmc_, you dont have administration privileges yet
[07:23] <fatehaze> Hmm, I think I just have to edit the list of commands smrsh can execute
[07:23] <fatehaze> Thanks for the help guys!
[07:23] <Mabus06> how come my audio and video are out of synch for mplayer?
[07:23] <Seveas> robotgeek, the -v is quite useless :)
[07:23] <psusi> looks like under linux, I'd have to change the acls of every file in my home dir to add you if I wanted you to have access to all of the existing files, and then set the default acl to give you access so new files give you access... that's a lot more cumbersome than changing a single acl on the directory
[07:23] <durt> ace: just look at the actual card
[07:23] <luke_> i have a netgear pcmcia card, are they difficult to configure?
[07:23] <SEJeff> luke_: My breezy desktop. http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/Screenshot.jpg I dont have a pic of my dapper desktop up yet
[07:23] <fatehaze> And congratulations on being the least hostile help channel out there :)
[07:23] <robotgeek> Seveas: maybe a sudo ?
[07:23] <SEJeff> luke_: I totally agree with you
[07:23] <warty> psusi: write a shell script :P
[07:23] <mustard5> mmc_, can you join #kubuntu-offtopic plz?  I am going to have to walk you through this
[07:24] <Seveas> psusi, ACLs on linux are quite underdeveloped unfortunately
[07:24] <Mabus06> Hey there mustard5
[07:24] <SEJeff> psusi: man for && man if :-P
[07:24] <mustard5> hey Mabus06 :)
[07:24] <luke_> SEJeff, you might be interested, this is my website www.envisagecreations.com/ec2/
[07:24] <Mabus06> good day to ya
[07:24] <mmc_> i dont have privileges
[07:24] <Seveas> (well, the ACLs themself not, but the frontend)
[07:24] <Doomhammer> why is APT refusing to update some of my packages ?
[07:24] <Ace> durt, look at the actual card?
[07:24] <Ace> how?
[07:24] <psusi> Seveas: yea... it's sad that 10 year old netware had better support for acls than linux does today...
[07:24] <Mabus06> can anyone tell me why my video/audio are out of synch when trying to watch a movie on totem?
[07:24] <warty> Doomhammer: pmt?
[07:24] <Ace> isnt there someway for me to tell while im on windows?
[07:24] <mustard5> mmc_, correct..I can tell you how to get them if you join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:24] <Seveas> Doomhammer, because it has problems updating them probably
[07:24] <luke_> SEJeff, very nice desktop btw, it looks really nice apart from the boxes on the side, but thats personal preference i guess
[07:24] <Arafangion> psusi: Ok, looks like you want a program to do this for you.
[07:24] <Seveas> put any error you get on the pastebin
[07:25] <Doomhammer> Seveas: but it doesn't even try, just says "0 installed, 0 updated, 108 not updated"
[07:25] <psusi> Seveas: front end or no, the acls themselves are still under developed
[07:25] <durt> ace, dont you have a card plugged in somewhere?
[07:25] <Arafangion> psusi: With 'typical' ACL's, I generally set the -R (recursive) flag.
[07:25] <SEJeff> luke_: That is functionality. I like to have system info
[07:25] <mustard5> mmc_, type /join #kubuntu-offtopic in IRC
[07:25] <warty> Doomhammer: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:25] <Seveas> Doomhammer, that just means you need to do a dist-upgrade instead of upgrade
[07:25] <mmc_> im in
[07:25] <Doomhammer> aaah okay :P
[07:25] <psusi> Arafangion: no, it isn't so much of getting it done from a user's perspective, it's how it works
[07:25] <Arafangion> psusi: Perhaps a different filesystem might help things, then?
[07:25] <psusi> i.e. even if you write a script to do all the changes for you, you still end up with hundreds or thousonds of acls scattered on the disk to give you access to my files
[07:26] <psusi> that's slow to update and takes a lot of space
[07:26] <Doomhammer> wait, it wants to install X
[07:26] <luke_> if my box could play EVE, id uninstall windows.. but it cant :'(
[07:26] <warty> psusi: good point. windoze 1, linux 0
[07:26] <Mabus06> can anyone tell me why my video/audio are out of synch when trying to watch a movie on totem?
[07:26] <Seveas> psusi, acls are stored in the xattrs of the file....
[07:26] <psusi> then of course, I still can't let you change the permissions so you can choose to allow others access ;)
[07:26] <robotgeek> Mabus06: does pausing and playing work normally?
[07:27] <psusi> Seveas: yea... so?
[07:27] <SEJeff> Mabus06: That is a known problem with gstreamer that was fixed in the development version
[07:27] <Mabus06> yes, robotgeek
[07:27] <SEJeff> Mabus06: try totem-xine until dapper is released
[07:27] <Mabus06> okay SEJeff, so how do I upgrade?
[07:27] <warty> Seveas: point is, if you do a recursive change of permissions and then move stuff around, it's not easy to undo that in one step
[07:27] <Mabus06> totem-xine? okay... so just sudo apt-get totem-xine
[07:27] <slew> is there an easy way to install codecs for watching mpegs, avi's, ect?
[07:27] <SEJeff> Mabus06: No no no, things will break. Use totem-xine until dapper is released
[07:27] <SEJeff> Mabus06: Pretty much. Make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[07:27] <durt> slew apt-get install w32codecs
[07:27] <HappyFool> !w32codecs
[07:27] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy).
[07:28] <Mabus06> I have all the recognised repos, SEJeff
[07:28] <drcode> it dosnt let me use clipboard
[07:28] <Arafangion> *sigh*.
[07:28] <Mabus06> As well as Seveas' one, SEJeff
[07:28] <psusi> then if you REALLY want to get fancy, you can get into DOD B level security... which requires mandatory access controls...
[07:28] <warty> drcode: it?
[07:28] <SEJeff> Mabus06: well then apt-get install totem-xine
[07:28] <psusi> i.e. I can give you permission to give other users access to my files... but only if they have top secret clearance
[07:28] <Seveas> Mabus06, ?
[07:28] <SEJeff> psusi: Like B1 aka EAL4 or 4+. That is what RHEL5 is going to do
[07:28] <Neurosis> i was wondering if ubuntu supported drivers for Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum DVD-Audio Playback And Internal I/O Drive
[07:28] <slew> durt, says its not available
[07:28] <Mabus06> Seveas, you have your own repo right?
[07:29] <Seveas> ah you're talking repositories :)
[07:29] <psusi> RHEL5?
[07:29] <Mabus06> Seveas, I remember seeing your name somewhere when I installed limewire for linux
[07:29] <blank> how may I uninstall a program, I want to uninstall eclipse
[07:29] <Mabus06> Seveas, thanks for that btw. :-)
[07:29] <warty> blank: apt-get remove <packagename>
[07:29] <drcode> evince I mean
[07:29] <drcode> I want to copy a word into clipboard
[07:29] <durt> slew: are all your repos enabled?
[07:29] <SEJeff> psusi: https://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/government/commoncriteria/
[07:29] <warty> drcode: ok, seems i was mistaken. you can certainly copy from xpdf
[07:30] <drcode> I try with no lucj
[07:30] <drcode> luck
[07:30] <slew> durt yes
[07:30] <warty> drcode: you have to drag a black rectangle over the text. it's a bit odd
[07:30] <warty> drcode: and then middle-click to paste
[07:30] <durt> slew: it might be in backports - i forget
[07:30] <blank> E: Couldn't find package eclipse
[07:30] <Mabus06> SEJeff, did totem-xine replace totem? Because I see no new options in my applications menu. If I pick totem will it be actually totem-xine?
[07:30] <durt> !+backports
[07:30] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports. Also, Breezy does not have backports at the moment because there is no *later* distribution to backport from.
[07:30] <SEJeff> Mabus06: That is correct
[07:31] <Mabus06> okay thanks, SEJeff
[07:31] <SEJeff> Mabus06: All totem-xine is a replacement of the backend
[07:31] <cdubya> I installed mysql, apache2 and php4 on Breezy, but I'm getting an error when I try to load up phpMyAdmin about it missing a mysql extension. Which extension do I need to install?
[07:31] <luke_> i have a netgear pcmcia card, are they difficult to configure?
[07:31] <slew> k, im looking thru synaptic
[07:31] <SEJeff> gstreamer is technically superior, but xine works better. When gstreamer0.10 is released and in dapper, it will be noticeably better
[07:31] <robotgeek> cdubya: do u have the php module enabled in apache?
[07:31] <wreckseal> hello room
[07:32] <DR_K13> yo
[07:32] <warty_> Hello, I'm wondering if there is anyway to install SHockwave flash when I am running ubuntu straight form the cd-rom drive and the hard drive is ntfs
[07:32] <cdubya> robotgeek, as far as I know......
[07:32] <robotgeek> cdubya: sudo a2enmod
[07:32] <wreckseal> can ne1 help me?
[07:32] <warty> wreckseal: depends... ask your question
[07:32] <SEJeff> cdubya, php4-mysql or php5-mysql
[07:32] <fatehaze> Ok, here's another dumb procmail question: I'm trying to determine the list of commands smrsh will allow sendmail to execute
[07:33] <wreckseal> how to login as su in terminal?
[07:33] <warty> wreckseal: sudo bash
[07:33] <SEJeff> wreckseal: sudo -s
[07:33] <robotgeek> !tell wreckseal about sudo
[07:33] <cdubya> robotgeek, yep, it's already enabled.....
[07:33] <fatehaze> But I don't have a /etc/smrsh directory, which is where I'm supposed to put the links
[07:33] <HappyFool> !tell wreckseal about sudo
[07:33] <warty> !tell me about sudo
[07:33] <fatehaze> And locate reveals no such directory either... should I just create it?
[07:33] <wreckseal> thanks. ill try
[07:34] <warty> fatehaze: probably won't make anything blow up... worth a tyr
[07:34] <warty> ^t
[07:34] <fatehaze> Hehe, k
[07:34] <wreckseal> thanks warty and SEjeff
[07:34] <wreckseal> it works
[07:34] <warty> cool, i love it when stuff works
[07:34] <offbyone> Hola.  I'm in need of assistance connecting my Ubuntu machine to a Sparc Ultra 10 workstation via USB->serial cable.  Anyone up to the task?
[07:34] <Neurosis> i was wondering if ubuntu supported drivers for Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum DVD-Audio Playback And Internal I/O Drive
[07:34] <wreckseal> yeah
[07:34] <drcode> thanx
[07:34] <drcode> it worked
[07:35] <warty> wow, 2 in a row
[07:35] <slew> durt, thanks, just going with mplayer. seems to be doing ok. =]
[07:35] <crimsun> Neurosis: the audigy2 zs is supported, but the full functionality of the livedrive isn't
[07:35] <Arafangion> Does ubuntu support watching DVD's "out of the box"?
[07:35] <rob^> Arafangion, no
[07:36] <crimsun> Neurosis: you'll find the audigy mixer pages on alsa.opensrc.org helpful
[07:36] <rob^> well not encrypted ones anyway
[07:36] <Neurosis> so i wont be able to record me playing guitar and stuff?
[07:36] <Arafangion> rob^: And most are encrypted, but thanks.
[07:36] <rob^> yep
[07:36] <rob^> well you asked :)
[07:36] <crimsun> Neurosis: you'll be able to record, yes
[07:36] <robotgeek> !tell Arafangion about mp3
[07:36] <Neurosis> thats all i want to do
[07:36] <Arafangion> robotgeek: Why do I care about mp3?
[07:36] <robotgeek> Arafangion: read the link, how to play dvds
[07:36] <Arafangion> Ahh.
[07:36] <rob^> Arafangion, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:36] <offbyone> ...  More detail:  I THINK I have the cords plugged into the right place, and it looks like I have a /dev/ttyUSB0 device that might correspond to the serial adaptor.
[07:37] <offbyone> However, I'm not really sure how to go about connecting, or validating my connection.
[07:37] <Neurosis> crimsun,  does taht soundcard record very nicely?
[07:37] <crimsun> Neurosis: from most reports, yes
[07:37] <Neurosis> im thinking of picking it up so i can start recording
[07:37] <crimsun> Neurosis: make sure you read the audigy2 comments on the Web first
[07:38] <Neurosis> ok
[07:38] <zaguar> Neurosis: Do you want a link to the .deb of libdvdcss?
[07:38] <zaguar> Neurosis:  Here it is - http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0_i386.deb
[07:39] <Arafangion> Couldn't Ubuntu sell a .deb that is able to play restricted formats? Say, for $50 per computer?
[07:39] <Neurosis> what is that
[07:39] <jrsims> dah
[07:39] <SEJeff> Arafangion: No, they would have to get the RIAA to agree. That would never happen
[07:39] <robotgeek> Arafangion: no, cause it's not ubuntu's to sell
[07:39] <zaguar> That is the link.  Download it and go sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0_i386.deb
[07:39] <jrsims> Is this the official Ubuntu channel?
[07:39] <warty> Arafangion: i'm surprised that no-one has made an unofficial shell script that installs all those goodies simply
[07:39] <cdubya> SEJeff, cool. php4-mysql worked like a charm. Thanks.
[07:40] <Arafangion> robotgeek: In the case of mp3, it mentions that it costs some 75 cents or something.
[07:40] <SEJeff> cdubya: I've had the exact same problem as you before. Thats how I knew it :)
[07:40] <Doomhammer> why is PHP5 not considered "stable" yet ????
[07:40] <robotgeek> jrsims: yup
[07:40] <jrsims> PHP5 is not stable? WTF
[07:40] <jrsims> Where?
[07:40] <robotgeek> Arafangion: that could be licensed from the Fraunhoffer institute
[07:41] <jrsims> does it say that/
[07:41] <T0mato> okay
[07:41] <T0mato> bad news
[07:41] <T0mato> i cant get the file with all that shit on to my computer
[07:41] <T0mato> can't put it on a disc
[07:41] <Doomhammer> no, but only "stable" packages are added to the repositories... and php5 is not availible there...
[07:41] <T0mato> aint writing it down..too much
[07:41] <Arafangion> robotgeek: Exactly, couldn't ubuntu gain licenses, and charge for those optional packages?
[07:41] <T0mato> ima have to find a way to tell which card i have whilst on windows
[07:41] <Arafangion> Doomhammer: It's not stable because it's different to the php that's already in stable.
[07:41] <cafuego> jrsims: it wasn't stable in time to be included in the relevant Debian version.
[07:41] <cafuego> jrsims: Mainly, php4 works just as well.
[07:42] <SEJeff> Arafangion, it's simple. Mark Shuttleworth doesn't want ubuntu to be like that. He has the money and the final say for something like that
[07:42] <robotgeek> Arafangion: it's not 'free' (as in speech), it will be in the multiverse, pretty much close to where it is right now
[07:42] <jrsims> isn't 5 more OO?
[07:42] <T0mato> robotgeek
[07:42] <cafuego> jrsims: So?
[07:42] <Doomhammer> except for the whole some functions aren't present in PHP4...
[07:42] <jrsims> that's a pretty big diff. Lots of great benefits with 5.
[07:42] <T0mato> robotgeek
[07:42] <SEJeff> jrsims: Higher version != Higher Stability
[07:42] <robotgeek> T0mato: i dunno what you are talking about. could you be specific?
[07:42] <cafuego> jrsims: That's like saying C++ is better then C coz it has OO.
[07:42] <T0mato> i typed in lspci -v | grep wireless
[07:42] <Arafangion> SEJeff: I guess that's what it always boils down to.
[07:42] <T0mato> and nothing happend..no error nothing..
[07:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here get gmailfs working?
[07:42] <wreckseal> how to install rpm files in terminal?
[07:42] <jrsims> I'm talking about flexibility
[07:42] <jrsims> and maintainability]
[07:42] <warty> wreckseal: alien, if you have to
[07:42] <cafuego> jrsims: I'm talking about production-stable.
[07:43] <Arafangion> Anyway, goign to watch a DVD on my TV, instead of my brand new windows laptop, because windows is unable to play it.
[07:43] <robotgeek> T0mato: you are Ace?
[07:43] <SEJeff> jrsims: well php4 is fully supported. See php.net
[07:43] <Doomhammer> wreckseal: it would be far better if you could get a .deb package
[07:43] <cafuego> jrsims: It's not as if php5 isn't in breezy.
[07:43] <T0mato> yes i anm
[07:43] <cafuego> !info libapache2-mod-php5
[07:43] <wreckseal> ok
[07:43] <ubotu> libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1823 kB, Installed size: 3980 kB
[07:43] <robotgeek> T0mato: try lspci | grep ethernet
[07:43] <T0mato> sigh
[07:43] <T0mato> why?
[07:43] <cafuego> You know, feel free to use it, it's there.
[07:44] <wreckseal> im going to install java for the browser to work on it
[07:44] <robotgeek> T0mato: we are trying to find out what your wireless card is, that's why
[07:44] <jrsims> F*ck php anyway. I'm doing everything in Rails from now on.
[07:44] <T0mato> robotgeek, can we not find out while im on windows?
[07:44] <robotgeek> T0mato: yeah, you could do that i guess
[07:44] <T0mato> okay how
[07:45] <cafuego> Oh, so you're just trolling.
[07:45] <T0mato> ?
[07:45] <SEJeff> yep
[07:45] <robotgeek> T0mato: Control Panel -> Devices (or whatever) -> Look for what wireles card you have
[07:45] <wreckseal> im going to install java for the browser.
[07:45] <T0mato> !google SIW
[07:45] <ubotu> T0mato: Wish i knew
[07:46] <T0mato> i love sex
[07:46] <T0mato> whoops
[07:46] <jrsims> Speaking of sex, this is my first day on Ubuntu.
[07:46] <T0mato> haha
[07:46] <SEJeff> Dapper is sex
[07:46] <jrsims> All I can say is, I'm going to have Shuttleworth's child.
[07:46] <SEJeff> Breezy is great too
[07:46] <T0mato> robotgeek, i had the wrong thing copied to my clipboard
[07:46] <nickrud> dangerous sex, maybe
[07:46] <T0mato> yo
[07:46] <T0mato> rob^
[07:46] <T0mato> robotgeek
[07:46] <T0mato> network card?
[07:47] <robotgeek> T0mato: please don't use 'enter' as punctuation
[07:47] <T0mato> network cards*
[07:47] <T0mato> yea eya
[07:48] <T0mato> okay robotgeek, i see two..i think it is Netopia
[07:48] <T0mato> Card 1 (Connected):	Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter
[07:48] <robotgeek> T0mato: i am not sure how it is on windows, it's been a long time!
[07:48] <jrsims> DISTRO WARS!!
[07:48] <T0mato> robotgeek, thats it. so what do i do now?
[07:48] <robotgeek> T0mato: i am googling, hold on
[07:48] <T0mato> k
[07:48] <durt> !start a race riot
[07:48] <ubotu> durt: I don't know
[07:48] <durt> !start a jihad
[07:48] <ubotu> Wish i knew, durt
[07:48] <T0mato> !ubuntu
[07:49] <ubotu> methinks ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[07:49] <T0mato> !sudo
[07:49] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:49] <jrsims> Ok, so I love Ubuntu, but there's a hole in my heart for Debian.
[07:49] <T0mato> !ndiswrapper
[07:49] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:49] <jrsims> Oh crap - speaking of debian, have you guys heard about Nexenta?
[07:49] <T0mato> have you heard that mandrake > *
[07:50] <wickedpuppy> T0mato, mandriva ...
[07:50] <SEJeff> jrsims: if you read /. or osnews, you have
[07:50] <T0mato> robotgeek, what excaclty are you googling for?
[07:50] <jrsims> Well, I want to get more info on Nexenta, but there's nothing out there yet.
[07:50] <fatehaze> Anyone have any experience with smrsh?  This is really giving me some trouble
[07:51] <T0mato> !smrsh
[07:51] <ubotu> T0mato: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:51] <T0mato> HAHA
[07:51] <T0mato> !mount
[07:51] <ubotu> [mount]  the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[07:51] <T0mato> !mount my arse
[07:51] <ubotu> T0mato: What?
[07:52] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[07:52] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[07:52] <T0mato> =(
[07:52] <jrsims> I'm going to mount my GF later.
[07:52] <robotgeek> T0mato: stop abusing the bot. I am trying to find out if there are infact drivers for your card
[07:52] <T0mato> kk
[07:52] <cafuego> jrsims: Do you know what a troll is?
[07:52] <fatehaze> Hell is smrsh
[07:53] <jrsims> where?
[07:53] <robotgeek> T0mato: i was unable to find if it works. i don't know if it works with ndiswrapper, the ndiswrapper wiki is down
[07:53] <wreckseal> what is the terminal command for rpm
[07:54] <wreckseal> what is the terminal command for rpm?
[07:54] <T0mato> robotgeek....!! ...do i need to find a driver?
[07:54] <SEJeff> wreckseal: rpm
[07:54] <robotgeek> T0mato: you might want to try the ndiswrapper installation procedure, and see if it works
[07:54] <T0mato> for Netopia or whatever
[07:54] <robotgeek> T0mato: yeah, looks like it
[07:54] <wreckseal> ok
[07:54] <T0mato> how can i install it..i ..have...no...internet...fucking...access..when..i..get..on..linux..thats...why...im...fucking...here
[07:54] <SEJeff> T0mato: Make sure you have the universe repository enabled. Then install ndisgtk. It is much easier
[07:54] <T0mato> *sigh*
[07:55] <T0mato> can't download anything
[07:55] <kiddecks> ur on the internet right now
[07:55] <wreckseal> it says "bash: rpm: command not found"
[07:55] <T0mato> YOU FUCKER
[07:55] <T0mato> im talking about
[07:55] <kiddecks> lol
[07:55] <T0mato> WHEN I GET ON LINUX
[07:55] <T0mato> jeez fucking louise
[07:55] <SEJeff> wreckseal: Because you are on ubuntu
[07:55] <wreckseal> then how?
[07:55] <SEJeff> T0mato: You might take a second to think that you aren't paying people trying to help you
[07:55] <linuxboy> T0mato: calm down please
[07:55] <T0mato> heh
[07:55] <durt> wreckseal: alien
[07:55] <T0mato> mmhmm
[07:55] <robotgeek> T0mato: i am sure people would want to help you when you abuse them, way to go!
[07:55] <T0mato> heh
[07:55] <SEJeff> T0mato: Just a thought... if you want people to help you for free, you have to be nice to them
[07:56] <stephans> does anyone know how to regenerate a xorg.conf file in ubuntu?
[07:56] <kiddecks> hey- i never used ubuntu before / have used gentoo/redhat/yellowdog so shouldnt' have that much to get used to, but this is my first 64 bit install
[07:56] <T0mato> abuse them..i already told you that i dont have internet access...there is no way for me to install anything..
[07:56] <wreckseal> huh?
[07:56] <kiddecks> whats teh diff between \	ubuntu-server-5.10-install-amd64.iso/ and the regular one?
[07:56] <kiddecks> just more server utils?
[07:56] <fatehaze> +b can't help those who can't help themselves
[07:56] <durt> wreckseal: man alien
[07:56] <robotgeek> stephans: you can use dexconf, or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:56] <stephans> thankyou
[07:57] <fatehaze> Anyone know of some smrsh/procmail/general mail server help channel out there?
[07:57] <fatehaze> I'm flirting with the end of my rope here
[07:57] <wreckseal> what is alien?
[07:57] <wreckseal> im on ubuntu!
[07:57] <T0mato> nvm
[07:58] <robotgeek> wreckseal: man alien, will tell you :)
[07:58] <wreckseal> dont work
[07:58] <wreckseal> No manual entry for alien
[07:58] <robotgeek> wreckseal: maybe you don't have alien, u need to apt-get install alien
[07:58] <wreckseal> ok
[07:58] <wickedpuppy> wreckseal, then you got to install alien firrst
[07:58] <wreckseal> sorry
[07:59] <wreckseal> thanks
[08:00] <drcode> hi all again
[08:00] <drcode> is there top in gui like in windows env.
[08:00] <[p> system monitor
[08:01] <drcode> ha ok
[08:01] <drcode> I didnt know
[08:01] <[p> you got it?
[08:02] <DR_K13> lolol
[08:02] <vlad> sal2all
[08:03] <_chani> if I install libswfdec will that get flash to magically work in konq?
[08:03] <mustard5> _chani, sounds like a #kubuntu question :)
[08:03] <CapSoft> lo folks
[08:04] <_chani> mustard5: they're all asleep :(
[08:04] <mustard5> ah ok :)
[08:04] <CapSoft> when i upgrade mozilla-firefox with synaptic i get a message that some .deb file is in use
[08:04] <CapSoft> how can i check what is using it?
[08:04] <mustard5> CapSoft, that sound like a wierd error message
[08:05] <CapSoft> i can't upgrade with apt-get either
[08:05] <_chani> also, my usb key isn't magically working. I stick it in, konq tries to open media:sda1 but fails- it doesn't exist. dmesg had some sda stuff, but iirc there was more stuff in gentoo when it worked...
[08:05] <CapSoft> *update
[08:05] <xask_linus> not that wierd ..
[08:05] <CapSoft> i wanted to upgrade everything to 5.04
[08:05] <CapSoft> since i run the release for that one
[08:05] <mustard5> CapSoft,  can you join #flood and paste the actual error message in there?
[08:05] <drcode> ./jaim
[08:05] <CapSoft> breezy to hoary
[08:05] <mustard5> thats backwards CapSoft
[08:06] <CapSoft> /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:06] <CapSoft> other way around then ;)
[08:06] <SEJeff> CapSoft: Close the opther opy of synaptic you have open
[08:06] <_chani> hey, can someone send me a random mp3 to test? I'm not sure if I have mp3 support working
[08:06] <CapSoft> ow sorry that i posted it herer
[08:06] <drcode> d
[08:06] <drcode> any one know if I Can tell gaim to be from left to right?
[08:06] <CapSoft> i thought, since it was not that long message...
[08:06] <mustard5> CapSoft, paste the entire output in #flood
[08:06] <drcode> any one know if I Can tell gaim to be from right to left
[08:06] <drcode> sorry
[08:06] <kandoora_> when i wanna build a package what does "make" do
[08:07] <kandoora_> and howcome it says cannot find a makefile when i know it's there
[08:07] <CapSoft> synaptic says that the files are inuse
[08:07] <robotgeek> _chani: google for test.mp3 :)
[08:07] <pfhor> kandoora: did you run ./configure first?
[08:08] <_chani> robotgeek: thanks
[08:08] <xask_linus> better goto alltheweb.com and search for audio .. mp3 ;-)
[08:08] <kandoora_> pfhor, yes and what does ./configure
[08:08] <CapSoft> how can i check what process uses a certain file or dir or something
[08:08] <CapSoft> it was a 4 char. command
[08:08] <SEJeff> CapSoft: Close synaptic
[08:08] <CapSoft> ended with 'of'
[08:08] <ruiwen> lsof?
[08:08] <robotgeek> CapSoft: lsof
[08:08] <xask_linus> gud question CapSoft ... i wanna know that too
[08:08] <New2ubuntu> help please...
[08:09] <wickedpuppy> kandoora_, ./configure will configure check for gcc and so on ... make will compile and make install will put the files in respective places
[08:09] <pfhor> kandoora: configure makes sure you have everything you need to build it and then creates the makefile
[08:09] <SEJeff> CapSoft: Close gnome-app-install, and all copies open of synaptic
[08:09] <CapSoft> thanks robotgeek
[08:09] <New2ubuntu> i am having a hard timegetting grub to work
[08:09] <kandoora_> pfhor, well i have a makefile but when i make it says i don't hava makefile
[08:09] <kandoora_> pfhor, eventhough it's there
[08:10] <pfhor> kandoora: what are you trying to build?
[08:10] <kandoora_> pfhor: spalah flash
[08:11] <pfhor> kandoora: when you run ./confiugure does it come up with any errors? or does it say "Creating makefile " at the end
[08:11] <kandoora_> pfhor, it doesn't
[08:11] <wreckseal> bye
[08:12] <kandoora_> pfhor, but i can see a makefile.am and other makefiles in the folder
[08:12] <_chani> ok, I'm still confused. which of the many flash-related packages to I want to install to get flash in browsers?
[08:12] <CapSoft> capsoft@ubuntu:/var/cache/apt/archives$ rm -f mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[08:12] <CapSoft> rm: cannot remove `mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb': Toegang geweigerdcapsoft@ubuntu:/var/cache/apt/archives$
[08:12] <mustard5> ubotu: tell CapSoft about pastebin
[08:12] <wreckseal> im from Palompon, Leyte, PHILIPPINES
[08:12] <zamny> hi
[08:12] <CapSoft> toegang geweigerd means : acces denied
[08:12] <pfhor> kandoora: yeah but there needs to be a file named: "Makefile"
[08:12] <wickedpuppy> CapSoft, did you do sudo ?
[08:12] <CapSoft> oops
[08:13] <mustard5> CapSoft, hehe
[08:13] <kandoora_> pfhor, it didn't create it
[08:13] <CapSoft> THANK!!!
[08:13] <pfhor> kandoora: well that would be why make can't find it then
[08:13] <CapSoft> gonna retry now
[08:13] <CapSoft> kinda obvious
[08:13] <CapSoft> stupid of me to forget
[08:14] <mustard5> CapSoft, we all do it
[08:14] <CapSoft> it's just that i am used to work with root account on gentoo
[08:14] <kandoora_> pfhor, i used auto-apt run so i'm sure all the required depends are there but it doesn't make a Makefile
[08:14] <CapSoft> omg
[08:14] <CapSoft> still the same error
[08:14] <CapSoft> :S
[08:14] <CapSoft> my firefox also can't launch :S
[08:14] <CapSoft> kinda wierd