[18:50] <agroinno> Hello
[18:50] <agroinno> anybody here?
[18:51] <agroinno> I have some questions for this community
[18:51] <mneptok> yessssss?
[18:51] <agroinno> Hi
[18:51] <mneptok> 'allo
[18:51] <agroinno> aneptok
[18:51] <agroinno> Well, I work with a small organization in Albuquerque
[18:51] <agroinno> looking to upgrade its technological infrastructure
[18:52] <mneptok> OK ...
[18:52] <agroinno> I'm wondering if there are consultants/companies in the Albuquerque area that do that sort of thing, with a full understanding of FOSS principles
[18:52] <agroinno> So that the idea of free software is built into the company's philosophy and infrastructure
[18:52] <mneptok> why do you feel you need a consultancy?
[18:52] <agroinno> I is an upper management decision
[18:53] <agroinno> They have decided they'd like to go with a one-stop-shop kind of deal
[18:53] <mneptok> you need someone to convince upper management?
[18:53] <mneptok> oh.
[18:53] <agroinno> No...
[18:53] <agroinno> I need a company that can help us deploy IT infrastructure
[18:53] <mneptok> how big is this organization?
[18:53] <agroinno> but one that has an FOSS focus
[18:53] <agroinno> 14 people
[18:53] <agroinno> approximately
[18:54] <agroinno> between 14 and 18
[18:54] <mneptok> you don;t need a consultant. you need a good vendor.
[18:54] <agroinno> Could you explain more what you mean?
[18:54] <mneptok> if you were deploying 500+ desktops you would need a dedicated team to perform that roll-out.
[18:54] <agroinno> ok
[18:55] <mneptok> with 14 people, you just need a hardware vendor that is reposnive to you.
[18:55] <mneptok> *responsive
[18:56] <mneptok> IOW, there is nothing Albuquerque FLOSS Partners is going to do for a company of 14 people that Dell cannot do.
[18:56] <agroinno> well, we also have some custom software development needs
[18:56] <mneptok> for that, unless working on-site is requisite, i'd shop globally for a developer(s)
[18:56] <agroinno> ok
[18:56] <mneptok> look at System76
[18:57] <mneptok> small Ubuntu-only vendor 7h north in Denver
[18:57] <agroinno> system76
[18:57] <agroinno> we already have all the computers
[18:57] <agroinno> most of them
[18:57] <agroinno> but we need a crm solution
[18:57] <agroinno> perhaps a vpn
[18:57] <agroinno> a postfix based mail server
[18:59] <mneptok> management needs to understand that the things you are talking about are not installed like a new refrigerator. they will need ongoing maintenance.
[18:59] <agroinno> management understand that
[18:59] <mneptok> paying a consultant every time you need the mail server tweaked is not cost effective.
[18:59] <agroinno> won't be necessary
[19:00] <agroinno> i can tweak away
[19:00] <agroinno> and I'm an payroll
[19:00] <mneptok> so pardon, but why can;t you set this up?
[19:00] <agroinno> Is there an open source software vendor in albuquerque?
[19:00] <agroinno> this is my question
[19:02] <mneptok> i have no idea if there's one in the sense of an integrator. i work for a very prominent FLOSS project, and am based in ABQ. but we only care about your databases. ;)
[19:02] <mneptok> i have enough experience with SugarCRM to know that i'd rather hand over responsibilty for such assets to Salesforce. ;)
[19:03] <mneptok> and after fighting the spam wars, using Google Mail in small organizations gets more appealing.
[19:06] <agroinno> ok
[19:06] <agroinno> thanks
[19:08] <mneptok> if you need a VPN, a business-grade Internet router should have such functionality built-in
[19:09] <mneptok> good ones will offer both IPSec and PPPTP
[19:21] <agroinno> ok, thanks
[19:21] <agroinno> talk later
[19:21] <agroinno> bye
[19:54] <nick125> Good afternoon.
[20:15] <mneptok> heya


[00:32] <cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
[00:32] <cimbakahn> Is it true that you have to have a compositing window manager to run a dock?
[00:33] <cimbakahn> I heard that you could just install your dock, then make sure metacity is installed, and then turn metacity on, and that should do it.  Is this correct?
[00:40] <n-iCe> hi cimbakahn
[00:40] <n-iCe> no idea
[00:40] <n-iCe> :D
[00:40] <n-iCe> philipballew: might know
[00:40] <n-iCe> 19:32 < cimbakahn> Hello Everyone!
[00:40] <n-iCe> 19:32 < cimbakahn> Is it true that you have to have a compositing window
[00:40] <n-iCe>                    manager to run a dock?
[00:40] <n-iCe> 19:33 < cimbakahn> I heard that you could just install your dock, then make
[00:40] <n-iCe>                    sure metacity is installed, and then turn metacity on, and
[00:41] <cimbakahn> ?
[00:45] <cimbakahn> philipballew, Are you here?
[00:45]  * n-iCe lguahs
[00:45]  * n-iCe laughs
[01:13] <cimbakahn> How do i completely get rid of systemd, and replace it with what there was before?
[01:15] <wxl> cimbakahn: you might want to try to pick one channel and stick with it.
[01:17] <wxl> !systemd | cimbakahn
[01:20] <cimbakahn> I don't want to transition from upstart to systemd.  I don't want systemd.  I want what there was before.
[01:20] <wxl> and upstart was what was there before.
[01:20] <wxl> there's a section in there that covers switching back.
[01:20] <wxl> if you want further help on that matter, i'd suggest going to #ubuntu.
[01:21] <cimbakahn> wxl, Thank you!
[01:22] <wxl> oh and cimbakahn this covers some discussion about docks. looks like they all need a compositor.https://askubuntu.com/questions/54008/whats-the-best-lightweight-dock-for-lubuntu
[01:22] <n-iCe> hi wxl
[01:22] <n-iCe> how are you?
[01:22] <wxl> n-iCe: #lubuntu-offtopic.
[01:22] <n-iCe> you can just say, fine, thanks
[01:22] <n-iCe> :p
[01:23] <cimbakahn> wxl, Thank you so very much!
[01:23] <wxl> no problem cimbakahn
[01:23] <wxl> n-iCe: the more idle chatter we have in #lubuntu the harder it is for people to search through the logs for help for their issues, so we try to keep it out of here. that being said, join #lubuntu-offtopic if you'd like to discuss something not related to support
[12:07] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> hello
[12:10] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> I am waiting for a release of LIVE CD of lubuntu 16.04 that actually works as the 14.04 LIVE CD DOES. How long  do you think it will take them to correct this ? Why was  16.04.1 released when there is such an obvious bug?
[12:11] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> I want to promote lubuntu but for now I can say go tryit.
[12:13] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> hello is anyone there?
[12:14] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> good bye
[12:18] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> Hello anyone there?
[12:21] <Lubuntu16_04_suc> nothing hear (or seen)
[12:36] <tsimonq2> :/
[15:14] <Chunkyz_> Has lxqt been pushed as default yet?
[15:18] <tsimonq2> Chunkyz_: nope
[15:18] <tsimonq2> Chunkyz_: we're working on an image though
[15:18] <Chunkyz_> When then?
[15:19] <tsimonq2> ideally, we'll have an image within the next two weeks, then after that, we're waiting on a couple things to make it default
[15:19] <Chunkyz_> Thanks for the information
[15:19] <Chunkyz_> :)
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Chunkyz_: no problem :)
[15:30] <suncokret> hello, so does somebody try Lubuntu 16.04, is it work good as 14.04?
[15:30] <tsimonq2> suncokret: it works well
[15:31] <tsimonq2> could you be more specific?
[15:33] <suncokret> does 16.04 use same size of ram as 14.04?
[15:34] <tsimonq2> suncokret: probably *megabytes* more
[15:36] <teward> suncokret: Lubuntu 14.04 and Lubuntu 16.04 will probably run about the same on the same amount of RAM
[15:37] <tsimonq2> ^
[15:37] <teward> as long as Lubuntu 14.04 isn't eating up *all* your memory already just by booting, it'll only take a few megabytes more
[15:37] <tsimonq2> if more, very little
[15:37] <teward> give or take a few running processes here or there
[15:38] <suncokret> when i start lubuntu 14.04 32 bit it use about 105mb ram
[15:39] <teward> suncokret: out of how much total on your system?
[15:39] <teward> it'll probably only use 110MB give or take a few
[15:39] <teward> but that's not really much different
[15:40] <suncokret> i have 2gb memory
[15:40] <teward> then it'll work fine, and you should not worry about a few megabytes here or there
[15:40] <teward> you're good
[15:40] <suncokret> i know, but i just ask
[15:40] <teward> at least from the RAM angle
[15:41] <suncokret> before this i had computer with 1gb of ram and that is also enough for lubuntu
[15:47] <suncokret> and is lubuntu 16.04 stable as 14.04?
[15:49] <tsimonq2> suncokret: should be :)
[15:50] <suncokret> so do i have some advantage if i install 16.04?
[21:18] <n-iCe> hi
[21:22] <tsimonq2> !offtopic | n-iCe
[21:24] <n-iCe> so?
[21:24] <n-iCe> I just said hi
[21:24] <n-iCe> You are making me talk
[21:25] <wxl> n-iCe: please behave.
[21:25] <n-iCe> behave?
[21:26] <wxl> n-iCe: in other words, please keep the idle chatter (including greetings) out of here and confine them to #lubuntu-offtopic. and don't argue. thanks.
[21:26] <n-iCe> lol