[21:49] <Semajnad> del_: Thank you.
[21:49] <quitte> Nothing_Much: that's not plenty
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> quitte: The minimum requirements for the 750 Ti is 400 watts
[21:50] <Semajnad> del_: Do you know a good RDP client that works with ubuntu-desktop?
[21:50] <Semajnad> server*
[21:50] <quitte> Nothing_Much: that's about just enough
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> I am 30 watts over
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> Right
[21:50] <quitte> see. it's probably the psu
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> And that would cause Compiz to crash?
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> What?
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> Are you joking?
[21:50] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> quitte, I can just tell by the coordinates that it puts out
[21:50] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> quitte, the script it tells me to make looks absolutely proper
[21:50] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> quitte, it just doesnt seem to be taking its own advice
[21:50] <a4> hi guys, I've started aptitude and I saw 40 security updates. I would like to perform only security update, but after I press u, the amount of security updates keeps the same. What I'm doing wrong
[21:50] <a4> ?
[21:51] <blaaa> a4: you need to install them
[21:51] <quitte> Nothing_Much: the psu powers more than just the gpu. and the wattage is combined of all rails. so unless you have plenty...
[21:51] <OerHeks> it does what you want, security update only, so install those 40
[21:52] <a4> I know, and I also trying. but somehow I do something wrong. I press u, but that doesn't help
[21:52] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> If I do xorg it tells me to add to xorg.conf.d but there is none in etc/X11
[21:52] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> quitte, If I do xorg it tells me to add to xorg.conf.d but there is none in etc/X11
[21:52] <del_> Semajnad: krdc
[21:53] <del_> !krdc | Semajnad
[21:53] <Semajnad> del_: Thank you
[21:53] <quitte> RaMcHiP-Mobile: there is one in usr/share. at least in debian. it tells you about that,too
[21:53] <del_> !info krdc | Semajnad
[21:53] <jcgs> a4: press + on the updates you want to install, then press g to confirm
[21:54] <quitte> Nothing_Much: try setting the power saving governor to energy saving in the nvidia control center
[21:54] <del_> a4: You should use apt-get
[21:54] <jcgs> a4: pressing u just updates the list of packages
[21:55] <jcgs> del_: aptitude's not so bad...it's a bit easier to see what's available, especially when x breaks >.<
[21:55] <Nothing_Much> quitte: I have a 45W APU
[21:55] <del_> !aptitude
[21:56] <Nothing_Much> And apparently the recommended 400 W on the box was based on a Core i7
[21:56] <Nothing_Much> So I can assume either 65W or 120W
[21:56] <jcgs> del_: yeah but that was 12.04 :P
[21:56] <quitte> Nothing_Much: if someone tells you that you need "at least this" it means any less and you're screwed
[21:56] <Nothing_Much> That the Core i7 would take up
[21:56] <del_> jcgs: I see....
[21:57] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> quitte, thanks trying that now
[21:57] <Nothing_Much> quitte: The ranked wattage for the 750 Ti it 65 W itself
[22:00] <Semajnad> del_: Does KRDC have server software then?
[22:01] <Semajnad> del_: KRDC just seems to connect to the server, doesn't actually let you login with multiple sessions or does it?
[22:02] <del_> Semajnad: You may just want vnc (session based?)  If so you can use tightvnc and/or x11vnc
[22:03] <Semajnad> del_: I thought VNC wasn't session based? It just connects to whatever the server is on at the time of connecting?
[22:03] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> Grrrr
[22:03] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> all I need to do is swap axis on this and its perfect
[22:03] <Semajnad> del_: I want it so when you login, it asks for your ubuntu login details and then creates a session for you?
[22:03] <Semajnad> del_: So more then one person can be logged in at once.
[22:03] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> when I touch middle of screen its dead on but goes exact oppisite of whatever direction I go so its 180' out of phase
[22:04] <jcgs> anyway...I just upgraded to 14.10 and now my sound doesn't work. I can't run alsamixer because I get the error message "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[22:04] <jcgs> "
[22:04] <del_> !info xtightvncviewer | Semajnad
[22:04] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> Sorry, 90' out of phase
[22:05] <del_> Semajnad: tightvncserver - virtual network computing server software  And there is also x11vnc  (server side)
[22:05] <omosoj> hey all, when i try to ssh into something i get an error message asking for a keyring password
[22:06] <del_> omosoj: We hope you remember it.
[22:06] <Semajnad> del_: So will x11vnc let users connecting have their own sessions, and ask for linux login details?
[22:06] <del_> Semajnad: Or not...
[22:06] <omosoj> del_, never set one
[22:06] <del_> Semajnad: default for x11vnc is no password, but you set it up as you see fit.
[22:07] <Semajnad> del_: But doesn't VNC just haave a general VNC password, or can you set it up so it asks for a ubuntu username and password?
[22:07] <del_> Semajnad: Choice is yours
[22:07] <jcgs> omosoj: what is the error message?
[22:08] <del_> omosoj: Password recovery is not something we can help you with.
[22:09] <Oxymore> hello there, i have an issue when updating some php packages, here is my dpkg output https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0c93ada6ecc3d4086b88 , does anyone have a clue
[22:10] <Nothing_Much> I really need help with my gpu
[22:10] <omosoj> unlock private key. enter password to unlock private key. an application wants access to the private key '<email address>' but it is locked.
[22:10] <omosoj> jcgs ^
[22:10] <jcgs> omosoj: what were you expecting? just to be asked the plain text password for the user account?
[22:11] <del_> Semajnad: x11vmc will let anyone connect. (So it is best to only turn it on when you need it, and yes, it is best to set a password, but if there are no untrusted users on your network, just leave it open.  Again, the choice is yours.
[22:12] <omosoj> jcgs, not sure what i was expecting. i'm not an expert... i was trying to clone a repo from bitbucket... created a key etc, then got this error. (never have a problem with github)
[22:12] <Semajnad> del_: I think I'm not explaining myself well. I want a way to connect to the Ubuntu GUI, so multiple users can be connected to the server at once. I want it so when you connect, it asks for your Ubuntu Login, not a general password. It will then load the user into their account.
[22:12] <popey> Nothing_Much: you need to be more specific
[22:12] <del_> Semajnad: You can ssh in and run it for one session, connect and after that it goes away.  x11vnc by itself is for only one session, x11vnc -forever is for continued use.
[22:12] <omosoj> jcgs, but instead of downloading into the terminal, a window pops up with that message
[22:12] <Semajnad> del_: But will it ask you for your ubuntu login, or just a general password. And can more then one person be connected to x11vnc at once?>
[22:13] <Semajnad> del_: Doing different things?
[22:13] <omosoj> there are lot of people on google who have the problem, but haven't found a solution
[22:13] <del_> Semajnad: Linux Terminal Server may be more like what you are looking for.
[22:14] <Oxymore> omosoj it's because your key is password protected, when you created it you must have set a password and forgot it
[22:14] <Semajnad> del_: I'll look that up thanks.
[22:14] <Semajnad> del_: So that would be like virtualisation?
[22:14] <del_> Semajnad: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[22:15] <Oxymore> omosoj if you don't use your key for anything else that github, just remove it and create a new one, if you set a passphrase don't forget it :)
[22:15] <del_> !ltsp
[22:15] <omosoj> Oxymore, are you sure?
[22:15] <Oxymore> 99.5%
[22:16] <omosoj> heh. i was going to say i was 99% sure i didn't put a password
[22:16] <del_> omosoj: That is because there is no solution.
[22:17] <Oxymore> osomoj save your old key somewhere, and generate a new one, pay attention if ssh-keygen ask you to set a passphrase
[22:17] <jcgs> omosoj: this gnome-keyring thing sounds like a pain in the butt (pardon my french)...here is a suggestion grabbed from internet forum: sudo gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh false
[22:17] <del_> omosoj: If you use keyring and set a password and do not remember it there is not much we can do about it.  (Nor you for that matter.)
[22:17] <omosoj> jcgs, what's that do?
[22:17] <Oxymore> anyway, does anybody can help me with that crazy apt-get who won't upgrade my packages? :(
[22:17] <jcgs> omosoj: look here...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008797 but i haven't tested it
[22:18] <del_> Oxymore: sudo apt-get -f install
[22:18] <Oxymore> del_ already tried, same problem
[22:18] <omosoj> del_, thank you for your help but i'm skeptical of you and your dour attitude.
[22:19] <del_> Oxymore: Pastebinit
[22:19] <cristian_c> Hello
[22:19] <Oxymore> del_ https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0c93ada6ecc3d4086b88
[22:19] <cristian_c> I've got a multimedia keyboard
[22:19] <cristian_c> either /lib/udev/findkeyboards and sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX commands, pressing multimedia keys does nothing
[22:19] <Oxymore> that's a dpkg output, but it's the same as the apt-get one
[22:19] <cristian_c> same situation with sudo evtest
[22:19] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[22:20] <jcgs> Oxymore: can you try just configuring php-cli on it's own as that is the one which is failing...are you even interested in that package?
[22:20] <jcgs> Oxymore: correction there are three that are failing
[22:21] <omosoj> jcgs, didn't work :/
[22:21] <jcgs> Oxymore: unfortunately, all the log says is that a subprocess exited with status 1. That could mean absolutely anything... to find out what's actually wrong you'll need some more detail
[22:21] <Oxymore> jcgs indeed, but I can't put my finger on why they are failing, I even purged them, no difference
[22:22] <Oxymore> jcgs yeah, that's kind of the issue, I can't find any logs anywhere
[22:22] <Oxymore> i know it's in the postinst scripts, but no idea what's actually crashing
[22:23] <del_> Oxymore: sudo dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php
[22:24] <del_> Oxymore: (in other words, try doing them individually...)
[22:25] <Oxymore> del_ i'll try that
[22:26] <del_> Oxymore: I left off the 5 (libapache2-mod-php5)
[22:27] <jcgs> Oxymore: apparently the script lives in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst
[22:27] <jcgs> Oxymore: you can run it manually from there and see what it says
[22:28] <jcgs> Oxymore: in theory all postinst scripts are required to be written in a way which means that runnning them multiple times is not harmful, but it might be worth trying to undertand what it is attempting to do first by reading it
[22:29] <Oxymore> jcgs I already tried that, but I've some dpkg related error poping up when I do
[22:29] <Oxymore> I fully purged php5 packages again and I'm trying to install from a ppa, maybe that'll do it
[22:30] <jcgs> Oxymore: anything helpful? did the script exit with status 1 (the status can be checked by running echo $? after the script in bash)
[22:31] <jcgs> Oxymore: you will have to run <script> configure btw
[22:36] <Oxymore> jcgs sorry i went dark, full purge + reinstall from ppa:ondrej/php5 fixed the problem
[22:36] <omosoj> Oxymore, if i want to remove and create a new key, i should just delete the files in .ssh and redo the process?
[22:36] <omosoj> ssh-keygen etc...
[22:36] <obounaim> Is there a good tool to manage updates for multiple Ubuntu/debian serveurs?
[22:36] <obounaim> thanks
[22:37] <Oxymore> omosoj yes, but don't hard delete the old one, save it somewhere, just in case
[22:37] <omosoj> k, thanks
[22:38] <jcgs> Oxymore: no worries
[22:38] <jcgs> my sound has magically fixed itself somehow so I'm all set :)
[22:38] <jcgs> bye chaps
[22:39] <Guest55709> Hello everyone
[22:40] <quitte> window 2
[22:41] <quitte> mods: crossine is a spammer
[22:42] <OerHeks> .
[22:42] <OerHeks> !ops | crossine gives away "free" urls in PM
[22:52] <omosoj> halleleuya
[22:53] <omosoj> thanks everyone for the help
[22:56] <new_nerd> NOTICE new_nerd :_VERSION Telnet version 1.0b_
[22:57] <new_nerd> privmsg #ubuntu : qualcuno mi potrebbe rispondere? non capisco nulla
[22:58] <k1l> !it | new_nerd
[22:59] <new_nerd> privmsg #ubuntu : sorry for my italian in my previous message. I am a new user just discovered this... can someone help me in discovernif commands and structures?
[22:59] <newASonline> em.. help?
[23:00] <bisu> hello?
[23:00] <new_nerd> hello?
[23:00] <new_nerd> bisu?
[23:00] <bisu> hello
[23:00] <k1l> !ask
[23:01] <bisu> i have a problem when i want enter dates in mysql with php
[23:01] <new_nerd> I have a problem because I don't know any command yet aahahahh
[23:01] <bisu> you can ask in google
[23:01] <bisu> he have all comands
[23:01] <k1l> new_nerd: please dont spoil the channel. its for technical ubuntu support
[23:01] <bisu> in linux
[23:02] <newASonline> em.. graphic card fail after update?
[23:02] <k1l> newASonline: which ubuntu exactly and which video card?
[23:02] <k1l> bisu: dont tell others to google. especially when you need support yourself, that doesnt look good.
[23:02] <newASonline> em...12.04 lts (i think)..
[23:02] <newASonline> 12.04.4
[23:03] <k1l> newASonline: "lsb_release -d"
[23:03] <new_nerd> sorry didnt ment to spoil the channel.. my apologies. where should I go to learn some commands and not to disturb?
[23:03] <newASonline> em.. translate for dumb asses?
[23:03] <bisu> oh i asked google but no have information
[23:04] <k1l> newASonline: "lsb_release -d" in a terminal will tell you the exact version
[23:04] <bisu> but what is the problem why i'm can't enter datas in mysql with php
[23:04] <k1l> new_nerd: which commands? ubuntu terminal commands?
[23:04] <newASonline> ow.. ok, ok
[23:04] <new_nerd> k1l how can I send you pvt not to spoil the general chat?
[23:04] <bisu> google say nothing
[23:05] <k1l> new_nerd: if its ubuntu support ask in here
[23:05] <Bashing-om> newASonline: For help about freenode -> " /join #freenode , for help with irssi -> /join #irssi .
[23:05] <newASonline> lsb_release -d	 --- >Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS
[23:05] <k1l> newASonline: ok, which video card and which driver do you run?
[23:06] <newASonline> em..  no idea.. generic for now.. it ask's me to install amd graphic ..  ?
[23:07] <Bashing-om> new_nerd: my apologies newASonline, new_nerd ^^ above.
[23:07] <Airbander> guys any expret in linux i have some questions
[23:07] <Marasgeon> I have a problem with a specific SD card, ubuntu see the card it says unknown format
[23:07] <newASonline> graphic card is known to me under  name "AN3450/DI/512MD2/(LP)
[23:07] <new_nerd> quit
[23:07] <k1l> newASonline: ok please pastbin the output of "lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3"
[23:07] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | Airbander
[23:07] <newASonline> em.. why are u apologizeing again? :-D
[23:08] <bisu> anyone have idea the why i can't enter dates in mysql whith php
[23:08] <ikonia> try asking in ##php
[23:08] <ikonia> that will support php programming
[23:08] <Airbander> i love to know what is the best distro for a beginner like me
[23:09] <ikonia> ubuntu is a good starting point
[23:09] <ikonia> try it,
[23:09] <ikonia> if you don't like it, try a different one
[23:09] <newASonline> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[23:09] <k1l> Airbander: since you ask in a ubuntu channel. ubuntu :)
[23:09] <newASonline> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[23:09] <Airbander> i have right now xubuntu 64
[23:09] <newASonline>  RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450 AGP] [1002:95c6]
[23:09] <k1l> !paste | newASonline
[23:09] <ikonia> good starting point, see how you get one
[23:09] <ikonia> on
[23:09] <newASonline> ow.. soeey
[23:09] <bisu> say nothing no have idea i write all sintaxis that i show in a bocks and tutorial
[23:09] <newASonline> sorry
[23:09] <ikonia> bisu: try the ##php chanel
[23:09] <bisu> oh oh oh
[23:09] <ikonia> bisu: that channel will support your php programming
[23:09] <bisu> sorry
[23:09] <bisu> okay okay
[23:10] <k1l> newASonline: that command should do more than that, please put all in the pastebin
[23:10] <Airbander> the problem i dont know to deal with problems
[23:10] <Airbander> i need to ask every time i have a problem
[23:10] <Airbander> this make me feel like donky
[23:10] <Filthy> Airbander: google is your friend
[23:10] <ikonia> Airbander: what do you want us to do about that ?
[23:10] <k1l> Airbander: start using it. if you got a problem you can ask here or search online if someone already got a solution
[23:10] <newASonline> damn.. my dvd player is pissed :-D i am running live version at the moment :-D
[23:10] <Airbander> i want understand the whol system
[23:11] <Airbander> any books ?
[23:11] <Airbander> or videos
[23:11] <ikonia> Airbander: not really
[23:11] <ikonia> Airbander: https://help.ubuntu.com
[23:11] <ikonia> Airbander: thats a good guide for an introduction and getting things done
[23:11] <k1l> !rute | Airbander
[23:11] <Marasgeon> why gparted pops up libparted bug when I try to write partition table to a SD card?
[23:11] <[N]eo> Airbander: Go to the library. Pick on books on Linux. ??? Profit
[23:11] <Airbander> thanks guys for helping me
[23:11] <newASonline> got it.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8752840/
[23:12] <quitte> Airbander: /usr/share/doc is a good place to look for specific packages
[23:12] <newASonline> is  it ok?
[23:12] <solsTiCe> hi. Anyone knows why I have 2 entries called ubuntu in grub2 ? one is with a capital Ubuntu and boots windows (yeah !) and the other one ubuntu without capital boots ubuntu.
[23:12] <k1l> newASonline: its a AGP card?
[23:12] <newASonline> yap
[23:12] <ki7mt> Airbander, Also: https://ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:13] <k1l> newASonline: well, i think that old cards are not supported by amd anymore. so i suggest to use the free driver as you do now
[23:14] <newASonline> yes.. that would be ok.. but.. than i may not restart :-S and use only live version from now on?
[23:14] <newASonline> seriusly??
[23:15] <k1l> newASonline: what?
[23:15] <k1l> why that?
[23:15] <newASonline> exactly..
[23:15] <newASonline> i use live version..
[23:15] <k1l> newASonline: can you please describe the whole issue?
[23:15] <newASonline> right now.. fresh install
[23:16] <Bashing-om> newASonline: AMD has dropped support for that card, you are running the open source driver that does support that grahics card. Is there a specific problem now ?
[23:16] <newASonline> after update.. black screen.. i understand no more support for graphic's.. but.. is there a way to get update's, but to not update graphic's?
[23:16] <AcIdBaTh> hey guys im trying to create a mac os usb with ubuntu 14.10.
[23:16] <solsTiCe> ... and the windows entry does not boot windows. it gives an error !
[23:17] <newASonline> running 12.04.4 lts.. live version - fresh installed
[23:17] <newASonline> i fi reboot got black screen.. "updates"
[23:17] <k1l> AcIdBaTh: see mac support if they actually allow to be macOS run on usb.
[23:17] <newASonline> if i*
[23:18] <AcIdBaTh> yeah cause converting the .dmg to .img and using unetbooting dont work
[23:18] <k1l> newASonline: so to sum that up: after installation you get a black screen while it works on live-system?
[23:18] <newASonline> yap
[23:18] <k1l> AcIdBaTh: that is more a problem of the OS (mac OS) instead of ubuntu
[23:19] <k1l> !nomodeset | newASonline try that one.
[23:19] <newASonline> because.. no more support for graphic's as i understand..
[23:19] <AcIdBaTh> ive been searching and cant find anything. The hdd messed up n the only other computer i have is on ubuntu
[23:19] <k1l> newASonline: no more support for the propritary driver from ati/amd. but there should be support from the open-source community driver
[23:19] <k1l> newASonline: so: fglrx=nono, radeon=yes
[23:20] <k1l> AcIdBaTh: sorry, but we cant help you with thet macOS issue.
[23:20] <newASonline> em.. engleash?
[23:20] <newASonline> k1l
[23:20] <AcIdBaTh> thats cool. Thanx anyway.
[23:21] <k1l> newASonline: you have 2 different drivers. fglrx is the amd one, radeon is the free community one. radeon sould work.
[23:22] <newASonline> em.. ok? can u guide me to the process?
[23:22] <newASonline> please?
[23:22] <newASonline> sorry, 4 being complete newb..
[23:22] <newASonline> one question..
[23:23] <k1l> i dont know amd cards. but i would suggest to try nomodeset as kernel parameter. which the bot told you
[23:23] <newASonline> nevermind
[23:24] <newASonline> so what exactly do i need to do?
[23:24] <Mendax1> what is the deal?
[23:25] <Mendax1> havent been on this channel in a long time
[23:25] <Blaster> Anyone here done VT-d with QEMU and KVM?
[23:25] <ikonia> Mendax1: it's exactly the same as it always is, ubuntu support discussion
[23:25] <k1l> !nomodeset | newASonline
[23:25] <Mendax1> what do you think about ubunut over all?
[23:26] <Mendax1> i think that it maybe likened to spyware
[23:26] <ikonia> then you are wrong
[23:26] <ikonia> and if you think that don't use it
[23:26] <manuelperrotta> hello everybody
[23:27] <Mendax1> why shouldnt i think that if i look at the OS objectively?
[23:27] <ikonia> you can think that
[23:27] <ikonia> and the best answer is to use a different OS
[23:27] <k1l> Mendax1: do you have an actual support issue? for chatting we hav #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:27] <ikonia> not really anything to do with this channel,
[23:27] <Mendax1> why the millitancy>
[23:27] <newASonline> k1l.. ? sorry, but what?  grub is boot, right?
[23:27] <ikonia> there is no millitancy
[23:28] <ikonia> you're miss-informed
[23:28] <Mendax1> ill-informed rather
[23:28] <ikonia> you're welcome to change that opinion, however if you don't want to, the best answer is to use a different OS
[23:28] <ikonia> ok, you're ill-informed
[23:28] <ikonia> but the situation is the same
[23:28] <k1l> Mendax1: because you start with a lie? you have been here 3 days ago.
[23:28] <FreeStyle> How can I change the icon size of notification area in gnome 3.4? I'm in a fallback session.
[23:28] <Mendax1> excuse me
[23:28] <k1l> Mendax1: so dont spoil this channel. stick to the rules. keep it clear for ubuntu support. thanks
[23:29] <Mendax1> this is a valid point with reasons..
[23:29] <ikonia> Mendax1: there is no valid point
[23:29] <ikonia> Mendax1: you think it's spyware, thats your opinion, fine, don't use it,
[23:29] <ikonia> nothing more to say on it
[23:29] <k1l> newASonline: yes. see the bots message and the link in it. it describes that
[23:29] <Mendax1> this channel dose not give justice to IRC
[23:29] <Mendax1> for what it means
[23:29] <ikonia> Mendax1: what do you want from this channel ?
[23:30] <manuelperrotta> yesss
[23:31] <newASonline> so.. do i need to reboot to fix that issue?
[23:31] <diegoaguilar> I stopped it as soon as I could and the writing zeros count was on 0% when I stopped it how could I try recover the partition and some files?
[23:39] <stikikko> hello
[23:40] <daftykins> hi
[23:40] <somsip> !info mysql-server
[23:41] <stikikko> nooooo
[23:42] <daftykins> stikikko: do you have a question?
[23:43] <xfy> I want to run a simple web server to debug http GET requests. I need the entire GET header request but using "python SimpleHTTPServer" and the like type of solution is only outputting certain request headers. How do I deal/display them all?
[23:43] <CCCFire> if i load ubuntu on usb stick, will i still be able to use the other files on the stick?
[23:43] <xfy> I need the RAW packet
[23:44] <daftykins> xfy: tcpdump
[23:44] <k1l> CCCFire: it will format that usb stick
[23:44] <xfy> daftykins, There is no verbose mode with any inbuilt httpd that I could display the raw packet? :P
[23:45] <daftykins> might be, but i'm just saying what i know for sure
[23:45] <xfy> I know. That is an ption hah
[23:45] <CCCFire> so will it still be usable as a flash drive?
[23:46] <xfy> I was just expecting to see the output
[23:46] <k1l> CCCFire: afterwards you can put files on it, too. yes
[23:46] <CCCFire> ok.
[23:47] <CCCFire> is it possible to switch my OS back and forth?
[23:48] <k1l> CCCFire: what do you mean?
[23:51] <Pyno> Hi can someone help me I have made a python script saved it now when i click open it doesnt open with python.. i tried open with and python isnt on the list
[23:52] <Ioyrie> Pyno: #python
[23:53] <k1l> Pyno: is it permissions +x?
[23:53] <Pyno> yeh  i guess
[23:54] <Pyno>   gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/pdfedit.desktop i tried this ( but instead using python from app list)
[23:54] <Pyno> [Desktop Entry] Name=PDF Editor Comment=PDF Editor Exec=pdfedit Icon=/usr/share/pdfedit/icon/pdfedit_logo.png Type=Application StartupNotify=false Terminal=false Categories=TextTools;Viewer;Graphics;Qt;
[23:54] <Pyno> then that with python for exec etc..etc
[23:54] <Pyno> then saved it but what should i save it as
[23:55] <ikonia> Pyno: what's the "exec" it's running
[23:55] <Pyno> btw the python-unregistered isnt work
[23:55] <Mightcould3> yay chipotle
[23:55] <Pyno> ing*
[23:55] <Pyno> Python 3.4
[23:55] <ikonia> Pyno: can you show me the exec line please.
[23:55] <Pyno> then i saved that to desktop but what should i save it as
[23:55] <Pyno> http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/ubuntu-fix-add-program-to-list-of-applications-in-open-with-when-right-clicking-files-in-nautilus/ i used these instructions
[23:55] <ikonia> Pyno: can you show me the exec line please.
[23:55] <Pyno> okay
[23:56] <Pyno> how do i do that ?
[23:56] <ikonia> what is the actual command it's executing
[23:57] <Pyno> Desktop Entry] Name=Python Comment=Python editor Exec=Python 3.4 %f Icon=/usr/share/pdfedit/icon/pdfedit_logo.png Type=Application StartupNotify=false Terminal=false Categories=TextTools;Viewer;Graphics;Qt;
[23:57] <ikonia> python 3.4 isn't something you execute
[23:57] <Pyno> then how do i run IDLE scripts ive saved?
[23:57] <ikonia> idle ?
[23:58] <Pyno> IDLE is what you use to make the scripts
[23:58] <Pyno> where can i find the python IDLE maybe i need to use that as exec line
[23:58] <ikonia> I don't know what idle is, sorry
[23:58] <k1l> do you mean IDE ?
[23:58] <Pyno> no
[23:58] <Pyno> IDLE is just the text editor for python
[23:59] <Pyno> nvm ill look up where its located
[23:59] <Ioyrie> build-compile
[23:59] <k1l> Pyno: so to start from the beginning: does the script itself is set to +x to let it be executed at all?


[13:44] <mhall119> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/were-going-to-be-building-awesome-things-ubuntu-tv-interview-with-canonicals-will-cooke/


[11:29] <User> Hello!
[11:30] <User> Yesterday I've reported via e-mail an error in kernel numbering for 5.17.12 and 5.18.1.
[11:30] <User> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.17.12/
[11:31] <User> Filenames inside the directories a wrong. They contain filenames of <IP_ADDRESS>. Can you check that and fix? ThankYou.
[11:51] <xnox[m]> yeah, we know, but people who work on that thing are currently on holidays. we will try to fix it next week.
[11:53] <User> xnox, thank You for your reply.
[11:53] <User> May I ask you something? Just fileRenaming would it help? How do you think?
[11:54] <User> Just curious.
[14:37] <xnox[m]> it will need rebuild, cause the versions inside the .deb/control metadata and changelog will be all wrong. i.e. the filename is irrelevant, as dpkg database will get the version number from inside the deb, which is the wrong one.
[20:21] <tsimonq2> Hey, so I have a fun one...
[20:21] <tsimonq2> I've been building a kernel using this Git repo: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack/
[20:21] <tsimonq2> Now, I'm fairly versed in Git and development so this doesn't scare me... what has me curious though is why it thinks the upstream v5.18.1 branch is v5.15.0
[20:22] <tsimonq2> On `cod/mainline/v5.18.1` compiling gives me this among many lines...
[20:22] <tsimonq2> `        sed -e 's/PKGVER/5.15.0/g'                                  \`
[20:23] <tsimonq2> Now, I can't seem to find where that version lives... I'm going to try doing a full re-clone to see if it's some local caching fun, but also wanted to point it out for some human eyes :)
[20:37] <xnox[m]> Simon Quigley: automation is currently broken, and note that said repo is the product of automation, not input.
[20:38] <tsimonq2> Exactly the answer I was hoping for, unfortunately
[20:38] <tsimonq2> It's okay
[22:03] <tsimonq2> Ah, had everything to do with the changelog. Copied the entry from debian.master/changelog and it worked.


[00:26] <StevenK> cody-somerville: Are you able to QA r14876, which is on qas now?
[00:38] <StevenK> wgrant: The notfound template already says: "This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it."
[00:38] <wgrant> StevenK: IN about 10 tonnes of other text.
[00:39] <StevenK> It's the first text after the heading
[00:51] <cody-somerville> StevenK, How do I QA it?
[00:52] <StevenK> cody-somerville: You added an attribute to the webservice. Can you get it and set it in the way you expect?
[00:53] <cody-somerville> StevenK, Cool. Okay. I can do that. Do I tag the bug or something if successful?
[00:54] <StevenK> cody-somerville: Yes. There is currently a 'qa-needstesting' tag on the bug. If it works fine, remove that tag and add 'qa-ok'
[01:15]  * StevenK smacks wallyworld
[01:15] <wallyworld> ?
[01:15] <StevenK> wallyworld: 116+from lp.app.interfaces.services import IService right at the top of lib/lp/registry/browser/tests/test_product.py ?
[01:16] <wallyworld> auto import fail
[01:16] <wallyworld> will fix in current branch
[01:17] <StevenK> wallyworld: I spent hours fixing imports yesterday and the next feature branch gets it wrong. :-(
[01:17] <wallyworld> it's only one of many i added, easily fixed :-)
[01:28] <StevenK> wgrant: Tempted to do distribution via SQL. There are less than 50.
[01:30] <wgrant> StevenK: Possibly.
[01:30] <wgrant> lifeless: staging should have my first patch in about 30 minutes.
[01:30] <wgrant> http://people.canonical.com/~wgrant/launchpad/flatbugtask.sql is the second one which I described yesterday.
[01:31] <wgrant> It's missing triggers on the access policy bits, and there's no handling of toggling of Product.active, but it should otherwise be reasonably consistent.
[01:32] <lifeless> wgrant: drop that in a file on devpad
[01:33] <wgrant> lifeless: carob:~wgrant/flatbugtask.sql
[01:35] <lifeless> is it dependent on the first patch ?
[01:35] <wgrant> It'll apply and partly work without it, but none of the access stuff will be there.
[01:37] <wgrant> Once the first patch is applied we need to build its data (SELECT bug_mirror_legacy_access(id) FROM bug), then build the second lot of data (SELECT bugtask_flatten(id) FROM bugtask).
[01:38] <lifeless> ok, ping me
[01:38] <wgrant> Yup, just prewarning you.
[01:41] <wgrant> lifeless: I also need a way to do mass async updates when Product.active changes. Jobrunner job? Dirty flag with garbo job? The latter is a bit evil but somewhat lighter than the current jobrunner situation.
[01:42] <lifeless> jobrunner
[01:42] <wgrant> :(]
[01:42] <lifeless> should be light enough
[01:42] <wgrant> 2KLOC later...
[01:42] <lifeless> I'm sure you'll make it lighter as you go
[01:42] <wgrant> Heh
[01:47] <wgrant> I guess we need a pattern for this sort of thing anyway.
[01:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Bah, I said I had created a card already :)
[01:52] <wgrant> 2012-02-29 01:42:39 INFO    2209-11-3 applied just now in 0.4 seconds
[01:54] <wgrant> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/61200/ are the incantations.
[02:18] <lifeless> wgrant: do you want them run now ?
[02:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Please. \timing would be handy too.
[02:19] <wgrant> lifeless: Will be interested to see how long the two mass function calls take in a single batch.
[02:20] <lifeless> one transaction?
[02:20] <wgrant> Might as well run it in three, just in case one fails.
[02:21] <lifeless> heh, started it a begin
[02:21] <lifeless> will do over if it fails
[02:21] <wgrant> lifeless: You applied flatbugtask.sql, right? :)
[02:21] <wgrant> It defines the last function.
[02:21] <lifeless> no, not yet
[02:27] <lifeless> wgrant:
[02:27] <lifeless> INSERT INTO accesspolicy (product, type) SELECT id, 3 FROM product;
[02:27] <lifeless> INSERT 0 34729
[02:27] <lifeless> Time: 3833.312 ms
[02:27] <lifeless> INSERT INTO accesspolicy (product, type) SELECT id, 4 FROM product;
[02:27] <lifeless> INSERT 0 34729
[02:27] <lifeless> Time: 4182.285 ms
[02:27] <lifeless> INSERT INTO accesspolicy (distribution, type) SELECT id, 3 FROM distribution;
[02:28] <lifeless> INSERT 0 36
[02:28] <lifeless> Time: 9.049 ms
[02:28] <lifeless> INSERT INTO accesspolicy (distribution, type) SELECT id, 4 FROM distribution;
[02:28] <lifeless> INSERT 0 36
[02:28] <lifeless> Time: 9.061 ms
[02:31] <wgrant> lifeless: Looks reasonable.
[02:32] <lifeless> SELECT bug_mirror_legacy_access(id) FROM bug;
[02:32] <lifeless> Time: 228686.012 ms
[02:33] <lifeless> SELECT bugtask_flatten(id) FROM bugtask;
[02:33] <wgrant> Not too bad, considering a lot of it was probably cold.
[02:49] <lifeless> (1097473 rows)
[02:49] <lifeless> Time: 994126.901 ms
[02:49] <lifeless> bugtask_flatten(id) returns a pile of null :P
[02:52] <wgrant> Hmmm, slower than it should have been.
[02:52] <wgrant> But thanks.
[02:52] <wgrant> So.
[02:52] <wgrant> You should now have a marvellous bugtaskflat with 20 or so indices
[02:54] <lifeless> select count(*) from bugtaskflat;
[02:54] <lifeless>   count
[02:54] <lifeless> ---------
[02:54] <lifeless>  1097473
[02:54] <wgrant> Excellent.
[02:55] <wgrant> Try https://pastebin.canonical.com/61202/
[02:57] <lifeless> 102984, 1238ms
[02:57] <wgrant> :(
[02:58] <lifeless> explain analyze 625ms
[02:58] <wgrant> So 500ms planning?
[02:58] <wgrant> Or 1238 cold?
[02:58] <lifeless> 9ms
[02:58] <wgrant> coldish, that is
[02:58] <lifeless> 1238 coldish
[02:58] <wgrant> Ah
[02:58] <wgrant> So it's now 600ms?
[02:58] <wgrant> ish?
[02:58] <lifeless> 420, 500, etc
[02:59] <wgrant> That's more like it.
[02:59] <wgrant> Care to throw in a bit of FTI?
[02:59] <wgrant> Like BugTaskFlat.fti @@ ftq('kernel hang') or so?
[03:02] <wgrant> (yes, the privacy constraint is hideously structured, but it works it out -- I need to rework the Python to spell it better)
[03:03] <wgrant> The SQL I provided uses gist for fti, but it might be interesting to compare it to gin on sourcherry.
[03:03] <lifeless> pastebin what you want :)
[03:09] <wgrant> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/61204/
[03:10] <lifeless>  Aggregate  (cost=82175.45..82175.46 rows=1 width=0) (actual time=637.165..637.166 rows=1 loops=1)
[03:10] <wgrant> Well that sucks.
[03:11] <wgrant> Can I have the whole thing?
[03:11] <lifeless>  Limit  (cost=82182.00..82182.19 rows=75 width=8) (actual time=527.338..527.366 rows=75 loops=1)
[03:12] <lifeless> https://pastebin.canonical.com/61205/
[03:12] <wgrant> Thanks.
[03:13] <wgrant> A
[03:13] <wgrant> Ah
[03:13]  * wgrant blames gist.
[03:13] <wgrant> A bit of planner stupidity too, but mostly gist.
[03:15] <wgrant> lifeless: DROP INDEX bugtaskflat__fti__idx; CREATE INDEX bugtaskflat__fti__idx ON bugtaskflat USING gin (fti); and retry?
[03:15] <wgrant> Will probably take a while
[03:15] <wgrant> GIN generation is slooooow.
[04:13] <StevenK> wgrant, lifeless: O hai, can we have a mumble about ArchiveAudit?
[04:14] <lifeless> sure
[04:14] <lifeless> skype?
[04:14] <lifeless> or fanout ?
[04:14] <StevenK> You can't do mumble?
[04:14] <lifeless> it hates me
[04:15] <wgrant> Hangouts still don't work for me, and are even less tasteful than Skype.
[04:15] <lifeless> it needs http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=454
[04:15] <StevenK> It worked last time :-P
[04:15] <wgrant> So I suggest we Skype :)
[04:15] <lifeless> StevenK: it was traumatic
[04:15] <lifeless> StevenK: and I've got Cynthia beside me at this time of day
[04:15] <StevenK> I can make it more trauatic and turn on the webcam
[04:16] <StevenK> *traumatic
[04:16] <lifeless> I know what you look like already
[04:18] <lifeless> I can hear you
[04:19] <lifeless> lies
[04:19] <lifeless> precise
[04:19] <lifeless> diaf
[04:19] <lifeless> sound panel sees my input
[04:20] <lifeless> what command ?
[04:20] <wgrant> pavucontrol
[04:23] <StevenK> lifeless: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/db-add-archiveaudit/+merge/94726 is the WIP MP
[05:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Any chance you could recreate the FTI index as GIN as I described above?
[05:18]  * StevenK peers at his garbo test
[05:20] <lifeless> CREATE INDEX
[05:20] <lifeless> Time: 159917.895 ms
[05:21] <lifeless>  Limit  (cost=82270.96..82271.14 rows=75 width=8) (actual time=1031.584..1031.633 rows=75 loops=1)
[05:21] <lifeless>  Limit  (cost=82270.96..82271.14 rows=75 width=8) (actual time=183.615..183.666 rows=75 loops=1)
[05:21] <wgrant> lifeless: blink
[05:21] <wgrant> So it's 3x faster?
[05:21] <lifeless> looks like it
[05:22] <wgrant> Might try with GIN straight away, then
[05:22] <lifeless> what about table scans
[05:22] <wgrant> Given that we're going to be restrictedly testing this for a while anyway.
[05:22] <lifeless> ok
[05:22] <wgrant> They're unlikely to happen given the other indices.
[05:22] <wgrant> But yes, it is a concern.
[05:23] <stub> We can drop in GIN already if we don't care about occasional searches breaking, but in the past we have :-)
[05:24] <wgrant> stub: The new table has strategic indices.
[05:24] <StevenK> Haha
[05:24] <wgrant> Rather than random ones that are mostly useless, like bug and bugtask.
[05:25] <stub> The 'all stopwords' query is the usual one that breaks things.
[05:40] <lifeless> we could take a calculated risk
[05:41] <lifeless> easy enough to change index style
[05:41] <lifeless> and hell, 1 second is still >> 8 seconds
[05:44] <lifeless> StevenK: I had a quick look for a audit service, couldn't see one
[05:44] <lifeless> wgrant: let webops know if/when you want that stuff dropped from staging
[05:45] <wgrant> lifeless: Easy enough to change index style, and easy enough to turn the feature flag off :)
[06:24] <stub> lifeless, wgrant: If we are rebuilding the search, I think we should a) use GIN indexes wherever possible and b) catch the exception we see when it attempts a full scan and return a 'too many results' type page.
[06:24] <lifeless> wfm
[06:25] <wgrant> Probably, yeah.
[06:25] <stub> Might as well stick a LIMIT in the query too, generating the 'too many results' thing even if the index hit did work. Nobody wants page 1 of 600.
[06:26] <wgrant> Well
[06:26] <wgrant> Hopefully we'll be using StormRangeFactory soon
[06:26] <wgrant> Which will remove the COUNT(*) entirely.
[07:28] <stub> bug_fti is off the 'most bloating indexes' list, yay!
[07:50] <wgrant> stub: yup :)
[08:44] <wgrant> buildbot failure is mine, I'm on it.
[08:52] <adeuring> good morning
[09:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:39] <[reed]> wgrant: throw in IE's X-XSS-Protection as well
[09:39] <[reed]> Chrome supports it, too
[09:40] <[reed]> wgrant: depending on how that gets presented, you may wish to add "; includeSubDomains" to the HSTS header, too
[09:41] <wgrant> [reed]: Can't use includeSubDomains, due to some questionable historical decisions.
[09:41] <wgrant> Will look into X-XSS-Protection, though -- didn't realise Chrome did it too. Thanks.
[09:43] <nigelb> oh wow. totally did not expect [reed] in here ;)
[09:43] <[reed]> I'm everywhere.
[09:44] <nigelb> Yes, TIL.
[09:44] <[reed]> also, I've been complaining about some of these things for a while, at least in LDS
[09:44] <nigelb> Wait, you come to UDSes and LDSes?
[09:44] <[reed]> LDS == Landscape Dedicated Server
[09:44] <nigelb> Ahhhhhh.
[09:44] <[reed]> I have come to two UDSes, though
[09:45] <wgrant> X-XSS-Protection looks like a bit of a misfeature.
[09:45] <[reed]> I'll probably stop by the Oakland one
[09:45] <wgrant> Potential for security issues, even.
[09:45] <[reed]> wgrant: I think most of those issues have been worked out... it's been around for a while now
[09:46] <[reed]> "Registration for the next UDS opens on 24th February 2012."
[09:46] <[reed]> it's a bit past that
[09:46] <[reed]> lol
[09:55] <[reed]> wgrant: if you want to be super-awesome, send an appropriate CSP header ;)
[09:58] <wgrant> [reed]: Isn't that thoroughly unstandard and still in flux?
[09:58] <wgrant> Ahhh
[09:59] <wgrant> I see X-XSS-Protection has evolved a bit since I dismissed it as completely insane a couple of years ago
[09:59] <wgrant> Notably with the addition of mode=block
[10:00] <[reed]> indeed
[10:00] <wgrant> Anyway, yeah, was looking at doing CSP, but it's going to be a bit less trivial to ensure everything still works, and it seems like there's work on making it more sensible and standard.
[10:00] <[reed]> sure
[10:00] <wgrant> But since you're suggesting it, I might have to look again :)
[10:00] <[reed]> hah
[10:01] <[reed]> I know a bunch of Mozilla sites implement it
[10:01] <wgrant> Because you added it? :)
[10:01] <[reed]> but I also know it took them quite a while to do the right thing
[10:01] <nigelb> haha
[10:01] <[reed]> hah, not for CSP, but I did add other headers ;)
[10:01] <wgrant> Heh
[10:01] <[reed]> pretty much every security "feature" Bugzilla has gained in the past several years was because I wrote a patch for it :p
[10:02] <wgrant> I've wanted to do this to LP for 18 months, but there were various bits of stupidity that needed to be fixed first.
[10:02] <wgrant> Like certain URLs which were forced to HTTP for no good reason.
[10:02] <[reed]> wanna fix Landscape as well? :P
[10:02] <wgrant> And crufty bits of Zope that needed upgrading.
[10:02] <wgrant> sigh
[10:02] <wgrant> Heh
[10:02] <[reed]> don't get me started on how terrible Landscape is from a security perspective ;)
[10:06] <wgrant> Yeeeeeah
[10:07] <wgrant> It's the one major Canonical webapp that I haven't tried to poke holes in.
[10:07] <wgrant> I'm not entirely sure I want to try :)
[10:08] <[reed]> I'd appreciate it if you would! ;)
[10:08] <[reed]> I've poked a bunch of holes in it already
[10:08] <[reed]> but I know there are plenty more
[10:08] <[reed]> it's never had a formal security review, as far as I can tell
[10:09] <wgrant> juju is the next target of my wrath.
[10:49] <czajkowski> wgrant: you still up ?
[10:50] <wgrant> czajkowski: Vaguely.
[10:50] <czajkowski> can you help me in launchpad with a question:/ re  merge proposals
[10:50] <czajkowski> please
[10:55] <wgrant> czajkowski: mgz is one of us :)
[10:55] <wgrant> Well, bzr.
[10:55] <wgrant> But close enough.
[10:58] <czajkowski> wgrant: aye thats what I thought too
[11:57] <rick_h_> morning
[11:58] <czajkowski> rick_h_: morning
[12:18] <mabac> rick_h_, good morning. :) since there's no ocr can I pester you with another review? or perhaps could you point me to someone I could bug? ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/workitems-widget/+merge/94790
[12:57] <rick_h_> mabac: sure thing, will peek at it
[13:02] <mabac> rick_h_, cool, thank you very much!
[13:29] <salgado>   File "/home/salgado/launchpad/lp-branches/workitems-migration-script/lib/lp/services/database/bulk.py", line 244, in create
[13:29] <salgado>     IStore(cls).execute(Insert(db_cols, expr=db_values))
[13:29] <salgado> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'expr'
[13:30] <salgado> has anybody seen this before?
[13:33] <salgado> hmm, looks like I'm using an old version of storm (storm-<IP_ADDRESS>_lpwithnodatetime_r404-py2.6-linux-i686.egg)
[13:33] <salgado> that's the version I should be using, in fact, but my branch is using storm-<IP_ADDRESS>_lpwithnodatetime_r402-py2.6-linux-i686.egg
[13:35] <salgado> I thought rocketfuel-get would update the generated scripts (bin/test, etc) to use the latest source but I guess that wouldn't make sense -- I should probably do that manually when I merge devel
[13:35] <salgado> is make clean; make the correct way to deal with that?
[13:37] <rick_h_> salgado: yea, think you'd need rocketfuel get, but then to merge with devel to lget the latest versions.cfg or what not. Not sure if storm is a packaged thing or a source dep
[13:39] <salgado> rick_h_, yeah it's in lp-sourcedeps, not deb-packaged.  I guess there's nothing faster than to "make clean" and rebuild from scratch?
[13:40] <rick_h_> salgado: might get away with a bin/buildout
[13:40] <rick_h_> but not tried it so not sure
[13:40] <salgado> oh, right, I'll try that next time
[13:41] <rick_h_> reading and working on makefiles a lot lately, but still some voodoo on what fits where to me :)
[14:12] <rick_h_> mabac: ok, notes posted, I ping'd jcsackett for a follow up
[14:14] <mabac> rick_h_, great thanks! will have a look asap!
[14:16] <rick_h_> mabac: most of my feedback just surrounds how I like to test things that parse like this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/61235/
[14:16] <rick_h_> mabac: so that as bugs/issues are found it's very trivial to add a new test case and see at once what works/doesn't kind of thing
[14:16] <rick_h_> if that makes sense
[14:16] <rick_h_> but it's a preference thing on my end
[14:17] <mabac> rick_h_, thanks. I don't have access to the canonical pastebin though
[14:17] <rick_h_> ah, sorry sec
[14:17] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/552/ mabac
[14:18] <rick_h_> but anyway, for that to work our parsing/raising exceptions need to be a bit split/etc
[14:19] <mabac> I didn't really know if I should always raise LaunchpadValidationErrors or perhaps let parse errors pass through as well
[14:19] <rick_h_> yea, not sure on the standard since I've not done much with it
[14:23] <mabac> I'll see if I can use a regexp for the assignee as well. and move the work items header re to a module level constant
[14:25] <rick_h_> mabac: awesome
[14:29] <rick_h_> rvba: ping, just wanted to toss out a heads up that on the js builder stuff. Not sure if you guys can use that over in maas land.
[14:29] <rvba> rick_h_: pong
[14:29] <rick_h_> rvba: I've got to update the wiki with some notes, but give it a shot with what you guys are doing and let me nkow how I can make it more 'general' for other projecs
[14:30] <rick_h_> I want to find out what's too LP specific so I can hit up the other JS people out there and figure I can bug your team first :)
[14:33] <deryck> adeuring, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/orange-standup
[14:36] <salgado> how do I tell the test runner to drop into pdb on the first failure?
[14:37] <benji> salgado: -D
[14:37] <rvba> rick_h_: I'm in the middle of something right now, can you please paste the link to the page you want me to have a look at and I'll get back to you shortly.
[14:38] <salgado> benji, and that's an argument to bin/test I guess?
[14:38] <benji> salgado: yep
[14:38] <rick_h_> rvba: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg09077.html no hurry, just more fyi
[14:38] <salgado> benji, great, thanks!
[14:39] <salgado> benji, it doesn't seem to work if I use it with testr (raises BdbQuit immediately), but I guess that's known/expected?
[14:40] <adeuring1> deryck, abentley, rick_h_sorry, again a crash...
[14:40] <deryck> adeuring, np, we'll wait on you.
[14:40] <rvba> rick_h_: I see.  The problem with maas is that it's a distributed package.  To add a dependency: either it's packaged in precise or we have to include the source code in our tree.
[14:40] <rick_h_> rvba: ok, gotcha
[14:41] <benji> salgado: it's not known by me, and expectations lie at the root of suffering.
[14:41] <rvba> rick_h_: But I keep track on what you guys do on lp :).
[14:41] <rvba> rick_h_: We have the same dilemma about using/not using convoy.
[14:42] <adeuring> deryck: can you send me the link to the hangout again?
[14:42] <rick_h_> adeuring: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/orange-standup
[14:45] <adeuring1> deryck abentley rick_h_ seems that i should this machine for the hangout; haven't installed the plugin yet...
[14:47] <rick_h_> rvba: sorry, standup. Ok cool, I wasn't sure how you guys were doing the JS stuff but know you asked about the combo loader bits at the epic
[14:48] <rick_h_> rvba: so yea, the convoy stuff in the jsautobuild probably doesn't help you guys at all then if you're not going combo loader/convoy
[14:49] <rvba> rick_h_: I really would like to use the combo loader/convoy but I'm not sure it's going to happen for 12.04 for the reasons mentioned above.
[14:49] <rick_h_> rvba: right
[14:50] <adeuring1> abentley: let's use mumble...
[14:50] <abentley> adeuring1: sure
[14:50] <rvba> rick_h_: I'll benchmark what it costs us (in terms of page load time) to not use it.
[14:51] <rvba> rick_h_: if this is really significant, I'll try to get someone to package it or we will include the code in our tree.
[14:51] <rick_h_> yea, you guys are on disk/local right so I doubt it's horrible.
[14:51] <rvba> We will see.
[14:51] <rick_h_> but the pyinotify stuff is cool if you guys do hav a make jsbuild type step that you don't want to have to run on ever save
[14:52] <rick_h_> but ok cool. thanks for thinking/taking a peek if it fits into your stuff at all.
[14:52] <rvba> Looks very useful indeed.
[14:52] <mpt> Hi, I'd like to test a bug that occurs when reporting bugs, but staging.launchpad.net times out when doing something as simple as showing a package page
[14:53] <mpt> Is it likely that staging will work again soon?
[14:53] <rvba> rick_h_: I'll keep you in the loop when I'll do the benchmark.
[14:58] <czajkowski> mpt: I'll ask and find out
[14:59] <mpt> czajkowski, actually, I found a package that has hardly any bug reports (which I guess was causing the timeouts), so it's not urgent for me now. But staging seems rather underpowered for meaningful testing.
[14:59] <czajkowski> mpt: no harm in asking and finding out for sure
[15:07] <mpt> (The bug I was testing I have now reported as bug 943321)
[15:07] <_mup_> Bug #943321: Private bug report wrongly says "Subscribed by <reporter>" for automatic subscribers <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/943321 >
[15:08] <cr3> hi folks, launchpad uses a special syntax in brackets to identify the person approving in commit messages for example. where might this be documented?
[15:12] <rick_h_> cr3: somewhat here: https://dev.launchpad.net/PQMCommitMessages
[15:12] <rick_h_> cr3: basically it's [r={lpuser}]
[15:14] <cr3> rick_h_: thanks!
[15:57] <abentley> cr3: There are tools that will generate this for you: "bzr lp-land" from the bzr-pqm plugin, and ec2 land in the LP tree.
[15:59] <cr3> abentley: why use things like [bug=90791] when you can use bzr commit --fixes lp:90791 instead?
[16:00] <abentley> cr3: I don't believe that PQM respects that revision property.  It goes strictly on the basis of the message.
[16:01] <cr3> abentley: ok, so in practice, nobody really types any of those bracketed messages, right?
[16:01] <abentley> cr3: right.
[16:01] <cr3> abentley: that makes sense then, thanks!
[16:02] <abentley> cr3: And if you use commit --fixes, then ec2 land or lp-land will include [bug=] for you.
[16:04] <cr3> abentley: sweet, so the developers are encouraged to use bzr properly and get lots of benefits for free
[16:46] <danilos> mrevell, flacoste: so, we're having some problems with answers.launchpad.net: 1. there are packages linked to some of our projects, so we get weird pages like https://answers.launchpad.net/linaro — I don't seem to have permissions to remove those Packaging records anymore; 2. there are requests to either make "external" setting for answers app do something useful, or get rid of the tab — I know that Launchpad is not designed as a p
[16:46] <danilos> roject hosting service directly, but we want to be able to clearly point people at support resources
[16:46] <danilos> hi, btw :)
[16:49] <danilos> mrevell, flacoste: fwiw, for 1, I'm asking czajkowski in #launchpad if she can help remove them, but I am mentioning that as a more general problem for things we don't have control of
[16:52] <mrevell> thanks danilos, I'm otp, so slow to respond
[16:52] <danilos> mrevell, sure thing, just raising this as it's becoming an issue for us and I'd like your general opinion on it when you find the time
[17:38]  * deryck goes offline for lunch, back soon
[17:43] <stokachu> Hi im messing around with Oauth and launchpad and was curious if we could add ability to return some user data when grabbing the access_token?
[17:43] <stokachu> Right now there is no way to dynamically pull an id/display_name from an initial access token request
[17:44] <stokachu> so people will need to know their display name ahead of time
[17:47] <stokachu> hmm i guess i could do a /people/+me
[17:52] <lifeless_> stokachu: so once you have an OAuth token you can request details from /~ exactly.
[17:55] <stokachu> lifeless_: ok so when calling api.staging.launchpad.net/people/+me it'll response with json from /~username automatically?
[17:55] <stokachu> i think thats how im reading it in docs
[17:56] <lifeless> stokachu: yes, likewise /people/+me
[17:56] <stokachu> ok sweet
[17:56] <stokachu> let me hack it some more -- ive almost got a drupal plugin going
[17:57] <stokachu> ahhh i think im adding a json format by accident 'data' => 'Object: <lp.registry.model.person.PersonSet object at 0xa2310d0>, name: u\'+me.json\'',
[17:57] <stokachu> it already does json without me telling it
[17:59] <sinzui> stokachu, correct
[18:00] <sinzui> stokachu, out oauth/launchpad lib code is  think of most things as simple string and numbers. dates have to be written as strings I think
[18:01] <stokachu> ah gotcha
[18:02] <stokachu> if i authorize against launchpad.net and attempt to call api.staging.launchpad.net that will fail b/c of auth correct?
[18:02] <sinzui> correct
[18:03] <sinzui> Lplib scripts will prompt you to authorise for the new host
[18:03] <stokachu> ok
[18:04] <stokachu> crap still getting unauthorized
[18:05] <stokachu> so here is my header information http://pastebin.com/uB4axged
[18:05] <sinzui> stokachu, pastebin the script or the part that does the login/auth
[18:05] <stokachu> ok
[18:07] <stokachu> http://pastebin.com/8RdQruEi - so this is my library
[18:08] <stokachu> line 137-149 is where im having the issue
[18:08] <stokachu> im wondering if im not providing enough header information
[18:10] <sinzui> Ah I see you are implementing a PHP lib that duplicates part of LaunchapdLib. You will need to manage the JSON serialisation yourself
[18:11] <sinzui> stokachu, I think you should look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lazr-developers/launchpadlib/trunk/files/head:/src/launchpadlib/ which shows how credentials and serialisation is done
[18:11] <stokachu> ok ill check that
[18:15] <stokachu> i dont think im getting to the point of parsing the response yet
[18:16] <stokachu> when i do 'request' => 'GET /1.0/people/+me HTTP/1.0 it gives me unauthorized
[18:16] <stokachu> even though +request-token and +access-token succeeds
[18:17] <sinzui> stokachu, I think the request is missing the Lp cookie that contains who you are. +me looks for the user in the interaction of the request, and that will come from a cookie
[18:19] <stokachu> ok, i may be using the wrong scheme here.. i see launchpad uses http authorization scheme
[18:19] <stokachu> and i may be pushing it through just post
[18:21] <lifeless> our oauth module is homebrewed; its possible we only implemented the Authenticate header approach for OAuth
[18:32] <stokachu> ok i see, lifeless, i think youre right i dont see anything related to the authorization in the headers
[18:32] <stokachu> hmmmmm
[18:33] <sinzui> lifeless, stokachu. I think partial implementation is the case here. I recall something came up a a few years ago where where made a change to stay compatible, but did not elect to do a full implementation
[18:35] <sinzui> abentley, rick_h_, jcsackett, wallyworld (Ian) has three important in the review queue. I am mentally challenged at the moment. I can review the disclosure rules that are in the branches, but most of the implementation is better reviewed by a rocket scientists
[18:35] <stokachu> :P
[18:35] <abentley> sinzui: I'll have a look.
[18:36]  * sinzui has taken a second dose of cough medicine and now has that disconcerting feeling of contentment.
[18:36] <stokachu> haha
[18:36]  * sinzui fears that when he yawns, a hole will open up behind him and will fall out of the universe
[18:36] <abentley> sinzui: rofl.
[18:36] <stokachu> what are the request bugs? i'd like to see all 3 consumer requests methods
[18:37] <stokachu> or at least the one where you send as HTTP POST
[18:38] <sinzui> abentley, I am not kidding. me + cough syrup = mescaline induced hallucinations. I never want that to happen again
[18:38] <abentley> sinzui: I'm sorry.  "disconcerting feeling of contentment" was too much for me.
[18:39]  * sinzui does want to re-enact the Odyssey again
[18:39] <sinzui> abentley, it is okay to laugh. my wife does
[18:39] <sinzui> I am serious that I am mentally challenged
[18:41] <stokachu> ok im going write a helper routine to implode my parameters into an Authorization request
[18:41] <stokachu> see if i can get authed then
[22:36] <StevenK> james_w: O hai
[22:37] <james_w> hi StevenK
[22:38] <StevenK> james_w: lifeless said you guys have a standard way of bringing Django apps, is that right?
[22:41] <james_w> StevenK, ish
[22:41] <james_w> we have what we currently think to be the best way
[22:41] <james_w> but none of our apps probably comply fully with that :-)
[22:42] <StevenK> james_w: Are you able to point me at some details?
[22:43] <james_w> StevenK, lp:pkgme-service is the newest one which you may want to use as an example
[22:43] <james_w> https://wiki.canonical.com/JamesWestby/DjangoDeploymentBestPractices has some notes
[22:44] <StevenK> james_w: Thanks, I'll look over both