[15:38] <jphilips> bluesabre: people having issues caused by screensaver waiting 30 seconds before going to sleep - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233858/xubuntu-20-04-suspend-waits-30-seconds
[16:31] <jphilips> after fiddling with the default settings of the lock screen tab of screensaver, its now happening to me. lol
[17:36] <jphilips> bug filed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screensaver/+bug/1885444
[17:39] <jphilips> i noticed that when the login screen appears after suspend the panel doesn't appear at the top for atleast a minute, and wondered what do i file this against
[17:39] <jphilips> lightdm?
[21:45] <jphilips> bluesabre: congrats on the new bot :D
[21:45] <bluesabre> :D
[21:46] <bluesabre> Been working on getting that planet put together for the last couple days :)
[21:46] <jphilips> was wondering why xfce didn't have one up for it
[21:46] <jphilips> i'm follower number 2 :D
[21:47] <jphilips> you beat me to follower number 1
[21:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: I have a new planet site that will post uploads to xubuntu-related debian packages, https://planet.bluesabre.org/ :)
[21:47] <bluesabre> ala https://imgur.com/o9p4r9i.png
[21:48] <bluesabre> and associated twitter-rss bot https://twitter.com/PlanetBluesabre


[07:16] <flocculant> knome: could you twit the irc session for testers please
[07:18] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^ on google + :)
[07:18] <flocculant> no idea how to get anyone to do facebook
[08:09] <flocculant> knome: something up with the wp bit for our site?
[08:10] <flocculant> got a warning  - then it appears to want to be http://www.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/profile.php
[09:44] <knome> flocculant, WP was set up to a new environment yesterday by canonical IS (i was contacted with them)
[09:44] <knome> flocculant, if you can, please send me an email with exact steps you took and the errors you got
[09:46] <knome> gosh, mailman definitely doesn't handle html mail graciously
[09:51] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/666554165884264448
[09:51] <knome> flocculant, ^
[09:56] <knome> bbl
[11:49] <flocculant> knome: you haz mail
[11:50] <flocculant> and thanks
[12:00] <bluesabre> AOL 2015, "Sup, wb. You haz mail. LOL. YOLO."
[12:01] <bluesabre> though, I wonder if AOL commercials are lost on folks on this channel
[12:01] <bluesabre> :D
[12:04] <Akxwi-dave> nah.. not lost.. used to use aol and compuserve in the good old days, on a 4800 modem
[16:36] <knome> flocculant, ygm too :P
[16:36] <knome> and with that, bbl
[16:37] <flocculant> knome: ACK
[16:37] <flocculant> oops
[18:03] <flocculant> pleia2: sorry - but holstein's nto been about for ages and I have no way to contact the other facebook contact - can you copy the twitter testing session to fb please :)
[18:03] <pleia2> flocculant: sure
[18:03] <flocculant> thanks :)
[18:04] <pleia2> flocculant: he's on freenode (in #ubuntu-news and a few other places), so just a PM away :)
[18:04] <flocculant> holstein ?
[18:04] <pleia2> yes
[18:05] <pleia2> dunno why he doesn't hang out here anymore
[18:05] <flocculant> oh right - not seen him around for an age here
[18:05] <pleia2> which reminds me, if any other team members want to help me with fb, you're welcome to it
[18:05] <flocculant> not sure whether he's in studio channel
[18:05] <flocculant> pleia2: heh :)
[18:07] <pleia2> ok, shared to fb and g+
[18:07] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[18:07] <pleia2> sure
[18:07] <flocculant> we got it on something that's very close to being almost local to me as well :D
[18:08] <pleia2> hm?
[18:08] <flocculant> http://torbaytechjam.org.uk/other-events/
[18:09] <flocculant> not far (ish) away from me
[18:09] <pleia2> ah :)
[19:56] <Unit193> Uhh, anyone up for pinging?  slang is active.
[20:11] <knome> pleia2, what's your schedule today then?
[20:12] <knome> flocculant, should be fixed "later this week"
[20:12] <flocculant> right
[20:55] <Unit193> Pinged in -devel, should be on his queue.
[21:20] <flocculant> nice to see people interested enough in testing for us to go to some website and fill things in
[21:21] <flocculant> 2 turned up there since twit/fb/g+ posts
[21:39] <pleia2> knome: kind of overwhelmed today and tomorrow, thursday around this time should be better
[21:58] <knome> pleia2, ok


[09:59] <Chaitanya> hi
[09:59] <Chaitanya> Anyone tried to integrate MAAS REST API with AngularJS ?
[13:39] <mup> Bug #1676167 opened: [2.2b1] Device BMC passwords seem to have been lost in upgrade <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676167>
[17:38] <sarah__> hello ! I'm a newbie in using maas and all and I want to know how can I import a raw image that I have on my pc to maas ?
[17:42] <sarah__> I know its boot-resources cli command related, but how exactly ?


[00:38] <romo>  /part
[03:27] <DarkTrick> If I display-zoom (with Alt+mousewheel) and the underlying application does a page scrolling, who's fault is this? Application or display-zoom implementation?
[04:38] <xu-irc96w> Xubuntu / Linux newbie, using Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter getting weak Wi-Fi signal, any help?
[11:33] <tete_> i have a document that should be german german. but sometimes the language changes to swiss german. when i type then, its a PITA because " becomes » etc. - can someone tell me wth goes on? i already asked in #libreoffice but not sure if its really a LO problem


[02:09] <davecheney> ttps://github.com/juju/juju/pull/144
[03:09] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/134/files#diff-4fd108ff3861516a9ea367ed5e560d50R1534    does this look reasonable?
[03:10] <waigani> thumper: sorry I'm late - in hangout now
[03:11] <wallyworld> axw: for the first test, i think we need to load a new machine object on which to set addr1, addr0
[03:11] <wallyworld> in the before hook
[03:11] <axw> oops, yeah, did it in the second but not the first
[03:11] <wallyworld> so that we don't mess up the in memory representation for machine
[03:11] <axw> will do
[03:12] <wallyworld> ah, haven't got to the 2nd test yet
[03:13] <wallyworld> axw: yep, lgtm
[03:14] <axw> wallyworld: thanks. will fix the first one and land
[03:14] <wallyworld> ta
[03:16] <perrito666> wallyworld: :) please tal at your email I would really appreciate an answer to that last email
[03:17] <perrito666> wallyworld: took me 3 days but my background brain thread finally returned the solution
[03:18] <wallyworld> perrito666: will do, looking now
[03:21] <wallyworld> perrito666: good pickup. my view is that all restore type operations should be run as admin. normal users have readwrite permissions but lack these ones mgo.RoleDBAdminAny, mgo.RoleUserAdminAny. i don't think it's appropriate for users other than admin to have such permissions. i'll reply to the email
[03:24] <perrito666> wallyworld: ok, Ill propose a small patch and if we then decide that its the other way around we can reject it
[03:25] <wallyworld> perrito666: which lines fail from mongpoEval?
[03:26] <wallyworld> perrito666: i'm also confused why it worked when run bu hand?
[03:26] <wallyworld> by
[03:26] <perrito666> wallyworld: at first sight none :| that is none yields errors, but something might be lost when we go from bash trough ssh to go..
[03:26] <perrito666> wallyworld: there lies the solution actually
[03:26] <perrito666> I realized that by hand I was using admin instead of tag user
[03:26] <wallyworld> oh
[03:27] <wallyworld> that was a bit of a ref herring then :-)
[03:27] <wallyworld> red
[03:27] <perrito666> wallyworld: all thanks to the talk we had the other day
[03:28] <perrito666> wallyworld: I take that a red herring is not a fish in that sentence? :p
[03:28] <wallyworld> no :-) a colloquial expression for an unintended diversion or misdirection
[03:29] <perrito666> well yes and no, I focused on the fact that it worked by hand and tried to replace --eval for a js file and while I was writting that patch I realised I was not using admin on restore
[03:32] <perrito666> sadly the realisation of this solution came on a sunday night, so here I am :|
[03:32] <wallyworld> :-(
[03:33] <wallyworld> so the solution is to remove mongoEval  and run everything as mongoAdminEval?
[03:34] <wallyworld> or did you want to keep doing some things as non admin?
[03:34] <perrito666> nope, everything as Admin
[03:35] <perrito666> or I can try one by one the commands and do as admin only what is required
[03:35] <perrito666> which is, as I see it, a great loss of time
[03:36] <wallyworld> yep, agreed
[03:41] <perrito666> ok, Ill go sleep and send the patch tomorrow AM
[03:42] <wallyworld> sounds good, thanks for spending the extra time to find it
[04:09] <davecheney> Session closed is getting me down
[04:37] <davecheney> axw: wallyworld + echo 'Instance setup done:' Mon Jun 23 04:35:03 UTC 2014
[04:37] <davecheney> ^ this is great
[04:37] <davecheney> but there is no other timestamp in the log to see when it started
[04:38] <davecheney> well thre is this one
[04:38] <davecheney> [workspace] $ /bin/bash /tmp/hudson2115592101584260118.sh
[04:38] <davecheney> Started: Mon Jun 23 04:26:02 UTC 2014
[04:38] <davecheney> aeriously - 10 minutes to setup a machine in ec2 ...
[04:39] <wallyworld> davecheney: yep :-(
[04:39] <wallyworld> can be as short a 4 minutes
[04:39] <wallyworld> that's why we're looking at using a nailed up instance
[04:39] <wallyworld> there are 3 timestamps in the log
[04:40] <wallyworld> tests started, instance finished/tests stating, all done
[04:40] <wallyworld> s/test started/ job started
[04:40] <davecheney> Instance has ip ec2-54-84-105-221.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[04:40] <davecheney> Waiting for 22..............................
[04:40] <davecheney> + set +e
[04:40] <davecheney> ^ there should be a timestamp here
[04:40] <wallyworld> can add one
[04:40] <davecheney>   System information as of Mon Jun 23 04:29:53 UTC 2014
[04:40] <wallyworld> the apt dance take ages :-(
[04:40] <davecheney> there is this one from the motd
[04:41] <davecheney> i guess its up to date
[05:43] <menn0> wallyworld: can I log in to Jenkins or is there a limited list of people who can? The current build is mine and has failed and can be cancelled.
[05:44] <menn0> on a related note, there's been a lot of mgo panics today during test runs along the lines of "Session already closed"
[05:45] <menn0> is this new or could it be related to davecheney's recent close-mongo-iterators PR?
[05:45] <wallyworld> yes
[05:46] <wallyworld> the tracebacks seemed to implicate root.go somehow
[05:46] <wallyworld> and then i saw you email to dev and stopped looking
[05:46] <wallyworld> could be related though
[05:47] <menn0> no I think these are different from root.go
[05:48] <menn0> there's been 2 regular build problems today: root.go and the mgo "session already closed"
[05:48] <menn0> I think they're separate issues (probably)
[05:52] <wallyworld> could be
[05:52] <wallyworld> we've looked on and off and fixed several issues
[05:55] <jam1> menn0: so the existing test that was failing does show a data race under "go test -race", I'll try to write up a simpler case, though.
[05:56] <menn0> jam1: great that you were able to track it down quickly
[05:56] <jam1> menn0: well, when the line that has the error is "objectCache[key] = obj"
[05:56] <jam1> it gives a pretty good hint
[05:57] <jam1> but yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the code since I've been working on it closely.
[05:57] <menn0> jam1: note that it was a different test that failed on my machine, but in a similar way
[05:58] <jam1> menn0: yeah, it is an API data race (concurrent mutation of a golang map, which are *not* concurrent safe, you have to wrap them in a mutex)
[05:58] <menn0> jam1: yep. it could happen at any point right?
[05:58] <menn0> any call
[05:58] <jam1> menn0: yeah
[06:02] <vladk> jam1: morning
[06:02] <jam1> vladk: morning. Sorry I'm a bit late, looking into this data race, I'll be there in a couple mins
[06:04] <vladk> jam1: go maps and slices are non-concurrent objects, only channels are concurrent and strings are immutable
[06:04] <jam1> vladk: yeah, I'm aware, just wasn't thinking about the concurrent access when I was writing the code.
[06:24] <jam1> menn0: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/146
[06:25] <jam1> it also fixes an only tangentially related race condition in state/api/watcher/watcher.go that I only noticed because the test that was failing in cmd/jujud had 2 sources of race conditions.
[06:25] <jam1> "go test -race" is pretty nice, its a shame it slows things down so much.
[06:26] <jam1> menn0: you're also OCR for today, so poke for the review :)
[06:26] <wallyworld> jam1: not looking in detail, you may have perhaps fixed an ongoing intermittent test failure around watchers perhaps
[06:26] <wallyworld> well at least i'm hoping :-)
[06:27] <jam1> wallyworld: so the race for watchers is that it is possible for the loop() to terminate before it actually starts anything
[06:27] <jam1> because it calls w.wg.Add() but only *inside a goroutine*
[06:27] <jam1> which isn't, itself, protected by a wg.Add()
[06:27] <wallyworld> ah ok. may not be the same issue then
[06:27] <jam1> so you could start a watcher, have a couple pending goroutines, and then exit
[06:28] <jam1> although thinking about it, I may need to move something around a bit
[06:29] <wallyworld> good that we found and fixed this before 1.19.4 ships
[06:32] <jam1> k, I don't need to move it after all. so my patch is ready for review.
[06:36] <jam1> vladk: I'm in the hangount
[06:36] <jam1> hangout
[06:36] <jam1> wallyworld: I wonder if we want a CI test that runs the whole test suite in "go test -race" mode
[06:36] <jam1> I don't think we're *quite* clean there, though.
[06:37] <wallyworld> jam1: worth adding i reckon
[06:37] <jam1> wallyworld: well it doesn't help if it never passes :)
[06:38] <wallyworld> sure, so let's get it passing first :-)
[06:43] <davecheney> ah mongo, how to you you leak temporary file, let me count the ways ...
[07:42] <rogpeppe1> davecheney: morning!
[07:43] <davecheney> rogpeppe1: ahoy!
[07:44] <TheMue> morning
[07:44] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: hiya
[08:58] <jam1> TheMue: morning ! I'm just finishing up lunch, I'll be there in about 5-10 min.
[08:59] <TheMue> jam1: ok
[09:35] <fwereade> wallyworld, ping
[09:35] <wallyworld> fwereade: hey
[09:36] <fwereade> wallyworld, hey, I was wondering about proof-of-access for the managed resource stuff
[09:36] <wallyworld> proof of access?
[09:37] <fwereade> wallyworld, ie "here store this file with md5/sha256" "ok I want the md5/sha256 of <random byte range>" "here you go" "ok cool your file is stored"
[09:37] <wallyworld> ah that
[09:37] <wallyworld> not implemented yet
[09:37] <wallyworld> just getting basics landed
[09:37] <fwereade> wallyworld, I'm wondering what impact that will have on this layer, because it's starting to feel like the right place for it
[09:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, maybe I'm wrong
[09:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, but the lower the layer that implements it the less opportunity we will have to fuck it up
[09:38] <wwitzel3> perrito666: nice job :)
[09:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, the higher the layer the less we need to thread the challenge/response stuff through, I understand it's a tradeoff
[09:39] <wallyworld> fwereade: it will impact i think, may need an extension to the current api. workflow will be controlled by a layer above but primitives to make it work will be in the current layer
[09:39] <fwereade> wallyworld, ok, cool, so long as it's on your mind and coming soon I won't worry about it for this CL
[09:40] <wallyworld> fwereade: well, next on the todo list is the ToolsStorage fascade so we get get rid of the http storage stuff for manual provider
[09:40] <wallyworld> so it's on my mind but not on the very immediate next to do list
[09:40] <wallyworld> does that work for you?
[09:41] <fwereade> wallyworld, I worry that we'll want that functionality for all facades, and that changing the tools facade to accommodate it *as well as* the managedresource stuff will exert subtle pressures to do it less cleanly than we might
[09:42] <wallyworld> fwereade: ok, i can add some new apis to the current design spec and do the proof of access stuff first then
[09:43] <wallyworld> after i land the current pull request
[09:43] <wallyworld> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/124
[09:43] <fwereade> wallyworld, great, thanks
[09:43] <fwereade> wallyworld, yeah, was starting to look at that, that was what made me think of it :)
[09:43] <wallyworld> lol ok, i figured as much
[09:51] <menn0> jam1: sorry I had finished up for the day... I'm actually OCR tomorrow not today anyway
[09:52] <jam1> menn0: I must not have refreshed the page
[09:52] <jam1> pn
[09:52] <jam1> np
[09:52] <menn0> jam1: it did the same for me too, at first it said I was and them recalced
[09:52] <menn0> then even
[09:53] <menn0> jam1: it's good that you pointed it out anyway. I hadn't realised I was on tomorrow :)
[09:54] <wallyworld> fwereade: what did we want for the challenge-response policy? retain the current Put() where the caller has to provide all the data (and it is de-deduped on the server) but also add a *new* API where they provide just the checksums and then are issued a challenge for a segment checksum and if that passes they don't need to upload anything?
[09:56] <wallyworld> not thinking too much, the new api will necessarily be stateful so we'll have to consider a timeout etc after the initial request
[09:56] <wallyworld> ie if they don't respond soon enough the acceptable response expires and they would be issued with a new challenge
[09:57] <fwereade> wallyworld, in my mind the main goal is to avoid having to send the bytes at all in the common case, so what I'd like us to *expose* is the stateful case, and only fall back to sending bytes in response to a never-heard-of-it result from the first call
[09:57] <fwereade> wallyworld, yeah, we'd want a timeout, indeed
[09:57] <wallyworld> fwereade: "avoid sending bytes in the common case" assumes there is a high chance the data is already uploaded
[09:59] <wallyworld> i guess the caller can optimistically try and use just the checksums
[09:59] <wallyworld> and if the server doesn't have the data, the caller is requested to upload everything
[10:00] <perrito666> morning everyone
[10:00] <fwereade> wallyworld, I think that globally there is a high enough chance that the (low) cost of even quite a lot of back-and-forths will be reasonable compared to the (high) cost of even a few ~gig-sized uploads
[10:00] <fwereade> wallyworld, remember this is closely aligned with the fat charms case
[10:01] <fwereade> wallyworld, those can often end up gig-sized
[10:01] <wallyworld> fwereade: agreed. i'm just stating the obvious to e really explicit we have a shared understanding
[10:01] <jam1> dimitern: can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/146
[10:01] <fwereade> wallyworld, cool, I think we do
[10:02] <dimitern> jam1, looking
[10:02] <wallyworld> fwereade: both Put(supplyTheData) and Put(supplyTheChecksums) will be exported so i guess the caller can decide which one they want to use
[10:05] <jam1> morning perrito666
[10:05] <natefinch> jam: morning
[10:06] <jam1> morning natefinch
[10:08] <perrito666> mm, we no longer have a way to say "this fixes bug lp:#######" ?
[10:09] <wwitzel3> perrito666: I think if there is  a lp issue, it is nice to mention it in the pull request comments
[10:10] <perrito666> wwitzel3: yup, I just wanted to know if there is a way to trigger the "fix committed" status
[10:10] <wwitzel3> perrito666: not that I am aware of
[10:10] <wwitzel3> perrito666: I've been doing that manually
[10:10] <perrito666> ok, Ill use what I see for other bugs
[10:12] <dimitern> jam1, reviewed
[10:12] <jam1> thx
[10:17] <perrito666> natefinch: wwitzel3 wallyworld https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/147
[10:17] <perrito666> there are things that upset me and then the fact that this bug is fixed with so little.... :p
[10:18] <wallyworld> perrito666: \o/ thank you for fixing
[10:19] <perrito666> :) now back to write a decent restore
[10:19] <wallyworld> i bet you are sick of backup/restore now
[10:20] <perrito666> wallyworld: no, I am actually very fond of it, I really look forward to have the new one implmented
[10:20] <wallyworld> you have a lot of patience :-)
[10:20] <perrito666> I am a bit sleepy tho, I slept only 4 hs last night
[10:21] <wallyworld> :-(
[10:24] <rogpeppe1> jam1: on further reflection, i don't think i understand your commonLoop changes
[10:24] <rogpeppe1> jam1: i'm not convinced they're right
[10:25] <rogpeppe1> jam1: specifically, i don't see how the changes ensure anything happens before the outer loop terminates
[10:25] <jam1> rogpeppe1: so the race as detected by 'go test -race' is that 'NewNotifyWatcher' does a defer w.wg.Wait()" before calling loop. And nothing has been Added to the wg at that time.
[10:25] <jam1> we then call "go w.commonLoop()" internally
[10:25] <jam1> which will, eventually, call w.wg.Add() for the two goroutines that *it* spawns
[10:26] <jam1> however, the 'go w.commonLoop()' hasn't actually incremented anything and can return out of "loop" before we've started it.
[10:26] <jam1> I believe there is a secondary channel of information in the "w.in"  so that the for{} loops never actual exit until commonLoop has entered.
[10:27] <rogpeppe1> jam1: i see.
[10:27] <rogpeppe1> jam1: a better solution (i think) is to avoid calling Wait in NewNotifyWatcher
[10:27] <rogpeppe1> jam1: but to make sure loop waits for in to be closed before returning
[10:27] <jam1> rogpeppe1: I personally felt like wg.Wait() should probably be called inside the loop() functions
[10:28] <jam1> rogpeppe1: so in the case of "w.tomb.Dying" we can return without checking w.in
[10:28] <jam1> is that ok ?
[10:28] <rogpeppe1> jam1: the original scheme was the wg is for commonLoop's internal use only
[10:29] <rogpeppe1> jam1: it's kinda weird that commonLoop is doing the Wait itself
[10:29] <jam1> rogpeppe1: if it is internal to commonLoop, couldn't it just use a local var ?
[10:29] <jam1> rogpeppe1: I certainly originally thought to change "go commonLoop()" to just be a synchronous "w.commonLoop()" and then wait outside
[10:30]  * rogpeppe1 checks
[10:30] <jam1> but that closes w.in in a defer
[10:30] <jam1> so we could change it some other way
[10:30] <rogpeppe1> jam1: yeah, that was my initial thought too
[10:30] <rogpeppe1> jam1: i'm not keen on the current change as it adds more stuff that each caller of commonLoop must remember to do
[10:32] <rogpeppe1> jam1: yes, i think wg could/should be a local var
[10:35] <jam1> rogpeppe1: so 'must wait until in is closed' isn't quite true today, because of stuff like "the tomb can die first"
[10:36] <rogpeppe1> jam1: yup
[10:36] <rogpeppe1> jam1: if the tomb dies, we should wait for the in channel to be closed
[10:36] <jam1> rogpeppe1: I'm not sure that it means the outer loop must not terminate before then
[10:36] <rogpeppe1> jam1: because that's the way commonLoop signifies that it's finished
[10:44] <rogpeppe1> jam1: it's instructional to see how the code has changed since the original version (state/api/apiclient.go in rev 1235)
[10:46] <jam1> TheMue: standup ?
[10:49] <perrito666> yay fix committed
[11:41] <jam1> vladk: you dropped out? Is everything ok?
[12:47] <jam1> it would be nice if they had a very soft ding when someone connects
[12:54] <bodie_> morning all
[12:55] <perrito666> morning bis
[12:55] <perrito666> ericsnow: wallyworld I will go back to the new restore, what are you guys doing? I don't want to step on your toes
[12:55] <bodie_> anyone have a free minute to scope a PR or two?
[12:56] <bodie_> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/140 and https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/141
[12:56] <ericsnow> perrito666: I'm still working on the backup client code
[12:57] <wallyworld> perrito666: i'm not working on it
[12:57] <perrito666> wallyworld: I meant wwitzel3 sorry
[12:58] <wallyworld> :-)
[12:58] <perrito666> wallyworld: I am used to you not being here at this time :p
[12:58] <wallyworld> can't sleep
[12:59] <perrito666> wallyworld: try watching a movie, works wonders for mi wife, in almos five years together I think she hardly saw more than 3 movies to full extent
[13:00] <bodie_> hahahah
[13:01] <wallyworld> lol
[14:00] <wwitzel3> natefinch: standup
[14:48] <perrito666> natefinch: taxes in MA are really low
[14:55] <rogpeppe1> mgz: ping
[14:56] <natefinch> perrito666: what's funny is that most people around here call it Taxachusetts.  However, I presume you're talking about sales tax
[14:58] <natefinch> perrito666: sales tax in the US is done per state, Massachusetts is pretty middle of the road for states at 6.25% ... California being the highest AFAIK, at 10%, and several states have 0% (notably New Hampshire, which borders MA).
[14:59] <TheMue> *sniff*
[15:00] <TheMue> in Germany we’ve got 7% for food and books, magazines etc, but 19% for the rest
[15:03] <alexisb> fwereade, having an issue with my hangouts, will be there shortly
[15:03] <perrito666> natefinch: I am talking about the tax amazon collects from me when trying to ship you stuff :p
[15:03] <fwereade> alexisb, oops, forgot we were meeting, omw too :)
[15:04] <alexisb> :)
[15:05] <perrito666> man, lenovo really makes it hard to find a replacement battery
[15:06] <bac> cmars: ping
[15:07] <cmars> bac, pong
[15:12] <mgz> rogpeppe1: hey
[15:12] <rogpeppe1> mgz: in a call currently, but are you around for a chat in 30 mins or so?
[15:13] <mgz> sure thing
[15:13] <rogpeppe1> mgz: also... did you manage to get around that godeps problem?
[15:13] <mgz> rogpeppe1: yeah, should all be fine now
[15:13] <rogpeppe1> mgz: what was the issue?
[15:13] <mgz> unrelated repository issue on the bot
[15:13] <rogpeppe1> mgz: which was?
[15:14] <mgz> a repo is shared between a bunch of different things, including godeps apparently, and we hit a bzr bug which made every branch using the repo unhappy
[15:16] <rogpeppe1> ah, i wondered if it was something like
[15:16] <rogpeppe1> that
[15:42] <perrito666> brb lunch
[15:53] <rogpeppe1> mgz: hey
[15:53] <mgz> rogpeppe1: hey
[15:53] <rogpeppe1> mgz: hangout?
[15:54] <rogpeppe1> mgz: if it's a hassle, np
[15:54] <mgz> sure, lets use juju-core-team
[15:54] <rogpeppe1> mgz: link?
[15:55] <mgz> rogpeppe1: in the calendar for thursday or just ...plus.google.com/hangouts/_canonical.com/juju-core-team
[15:56] <rogpeppe1> mgz: hmm, i get 404
[15:56] <rogpeppe1> mgz: will try the link in the calendar
[15:56] <mgz> after the _
[15:56] <mgz> add /
[15:56] <mgz> I mistyped
[16:03] <sinzui> abentley, Juju-ci will fail juju for the wrong reasons.
[16:04] <sinzui> abentley, ppc and arm64 access was restored, but ci missed the opportunity t make the debs. all those arch tests will fail
[16:04] <abentley> Doh!
[16:05] <sinzui> abentley, aws has 6 old instances still running, causing the manual test to fail.
[16:05] <sinzui> I will restart the revision if no revision lands in the next hour
[16:10] <sinzui> perrito666, I am resting the current revision. CI ran of our AWS resources and ppc64 and arm64 machines. Many tests couldn't be run. Looks like the restore is working when there are resources
[16:17] <perrito666> sinzui: \o/
[16:19] <natefinch> fwereade: you around?
[16:21] <natefinch> I love getting happy birthday emails from websites I don't even remember visiting
[16:22] <perrito666> natefinch: is it your bday?
[16:22] <natefinch> It is my birthday and my twin sister's birthday and my wife's birthday today.
[16:23] <perrito666> uhh, that is a cool memory space saver
[16:23] <perrito666> natefinch: well happy bday (and why is you bd not in the calendar for bdays?)
[16:23] <natefinch> it's in my calendar, I dunno
[16:23] <natefinch> and my aunt's birthday is tomorrow and Wednesday is Zoë, my younger daughter's birthday
[16:24] <natefinch> and a couple days ago was my sister's step son's birthday.    My mother went to the store and bought 6 birthday cards last week :)
[16:25] <perrito666> "I will not get friends with people that have birthdays outside this week" great technique
[16:54] <rogpeppe> on reflection, i'm not sure that using gopkg.in/juju/charm.v2 gives significant advantage over using github.com/juju/charm.v2
[16:54] <rogpeppe> mgz: %
[16:54] <rogpeppe> mgz: ^
[16:54] <natefinch> rogpeppe: I actually thought of that when Gustavo proposed gopkg.in
[16:55] <rogpeppe> mgz: the main disadvantage of the latter that i can think of is that github.com/juju will show several more repos, one for each api version
[16:55] <natefinch> yep
[16:55] <rogpeppe> natefinch: what do you reckon?
[16:56] <mgz> rogpeppe: it's mostly a benefit with lots of api bumps, and keeping a sane git branch workflow
[16:56] <rogpeppe> mgz: i think that the git workflow can be pretty similar in both cases
[16:56] <natefinch> rogpeppe: that you could make your own foo.v2 and not need his magic.  However, it does clean up the juju repo list
[16:57] <rogpeppe> mgz: there's not much difference between a remote branch whichever repo it's in
[16:57] <natefinch> rogpeppe: his magic does let you do v2.1 v2.2 and let import foo.v2  work with all of those
[16:57] <natefinch> not sure how necessary that minor revision bumping is though
[16:57] <rogpeppe> natefinch: that is true
[16:58] <natefinch> it keeps the code separate, I guess, but there's little difference to the end user from it all being in the same branch
[16:58] <rogpeppe> the thing is, the code will need to live in two separate directories anyway, because that's the way go works
[16:59] <natefinch> I mean, it keeps the v2.1 separate from v2.2 in git
[16:59] <natefinch> yes, on disk, foo.v2 will need to live separately from foo.v1
[16:59] <natefinch> I think it's worth using gopkg.in to keep the juju repos cleaner
[17:00] <natefinch> it's already getting a little noisy
[17:00] <rogpeppe> my main inclination the other way is that it's nice to have all the juju packages live under github.com/juju in my $GOPATH
[17:02] <rogpeppe> because i'll often do a recursive grep inside that dir
[17:04] <jam1> alexisb: you dropped out at "lets say"
[17:04] <alexisb> jam1, yeah
[17:04] <alexisb> I am trying to get back in
[17:05] <perrito666> oh the sweet looks of passing tests http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/functional-ha-backup-restore/213/
[17:10] <natefinch> perrito666:  beautiful
[17:30] <sinzui> alexisb, natefinch, jam, 1.19.4 release is blocked by bug 1333357 which was introduced earlier today
[17:31] <natefinch> dammit
[17:32]  * perrito666 facepalms
[17:33] <alexisb> ooo the saga continues
[17:33] <natefinch> ahh, it's only gccgo, who cares?
[17:33]  * natefinch is joking, mostly
[17:33] <alexisb> IBM does
[17:33] <alexisb> ;)
[17:36] <perrito666> sinzui: do you really think that revision is the one that introduced the bug?
[17:37] <sinzui> perrito666, it is the only rev that changed apiserver/networker in the last 2 days
[17:38] <perrito666> the output of gccgo is less than useful
[17:41] <natefinch> so, that's a compiler error, which means it's a gccgo bug not a juju bug... not that we don't still have to fix it in gccgo (and perhaps try to avoid it in juju)
[17:42] <perrito666> natefinch: If I were a compiler dev, I really would like to have better error reports than that
[17:42] <perrito666> do you know what the $ mean?
[17:42]  * perrito666 takes a quick look at the code
[17:43] <bac> hi sinzui, for deploying to prodstack one of the webops mentioned a while back that we should transition to storing charm dependencies in an bucket somewhere. can you point me to one of your deployments that does that so i copy the hell out of your work?
[17:44] <natefinch> perrito666: it has the exact line number and everything, though the message itself is not very useful
[17:44] <sinzui> bac, I don't have an example.
[17:44] <bac> doh
[17:47] <sinzui> bac swift post charmworld-deps
[17:49] <sinzui> bac, the charm can call swift download charmworld-deps <object>
[17:50] <bac> sinzui: thanks
[17:52] <sinzui> bac, you will probably want to make the container public so that the charm doesn't need creds. swift post -r '.r:*'
[17:53] <jcastro> natefinch, do you have the URL handy for the inprogress API documentation? I believe you gave it to me before but I didn't bookmark it.
[17:53] <sinzui> bac, I don't trust canonistack's swift this month. I got canonistack tests to pass by avoiding it. You probably wan't have a problem intermittently uploading files to it.
[17:56] <perrito666> natefinch: I was curious of what line of go triggered the .cc to crash
[18:07] <natefinch> perrito666: no idea.  the error doesn't really say, and I can't imagine "String()" would do it.
[18:10] <perrito666> natefinch: the only nested something is on the test
[18:34]  * perrito666 buys new guts for his computer
[18:53] <alexisb> natefinch, I need a quick break and will be a few minutes late for our 1x1, I will ping you when I get back
[18:53] <natefinch> alexisb: okie dokie
[20:02] <natefinch> alexisb: are you in the call? I'm there but it says no one else is
[20:03] <alexisb> I am there
[20:03] <alexisb> video call
[20:04] <natefinch> I'll rejoin
[20:04] <alexisb> trying call in as well
[20:04] <perrito666> ok, EOD, bye ppl
[20:04] <natefinch> the bridge ID said not valid
[20:05] <alexisb> yep
[20:05] <alexisb> natefinch, are you on the video call?
[21:15] <mattyw> thumper, morning
[21:15] <mattyw> thumper, fwereade asked if you could take a look at this https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/108
[21:15] <thumper> mattyw: ok, and otp
[21:16] <mattyw> thumper, no problem, just wanted to let you know
[21:16] <mattyw> I'll be heading to bed soon so anytime today is fine
[21:17] <menn0> perrito666: ping
[21:17] <perrito666> menn0: pong
[21:17] <menn0> perrito666: I'm wanting to understand how the native backup solution is looking.
[21:17] <menn0> just the high level design
[21:18] <menn0> how much is committed already and how much is to come?
[21:18] <perrito666> menn0: you have my divided attention between you and my merienda :)
[21:18] <perrito666> if what you want is backup, its inner parts are already committed and not likely to change much
[21:18]  * menn0 had to look up what merienda means :)
[21:19] <perrito666> I looked up and wp does not have a translation for it
[21:19] <perrito666> menn0: as for restore is being done, I pretty much know how it will be but not yet completed
[21:19] <perrito666> we had a few days setback bc of a bug in the old restore
[21:20] <menn0> so will backups be stored server side with the option of downloading or did your team go with the direct download to the client option?
[21:20] <menn0> yeah I saw the discussions about the problem that was breaking CI
[21:21] <perrito666> menn0: if you give me 5 minutes to remove my toasts from the fire we might solve this faster with a hangout
[21:21] <menn0> sounds good
[21:25] <perrito666> menn0: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=3
[21:27] <perrito666> menn0: ?
[21:27] <menn0> perrito666: missed you
[21:27] <menn0> try again?
[21:27] <perrito666> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=3
[21:28] <menn0> perrito666: party is over. try this: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g3qbgajp7bnquq576ulbflvdvia
[21:28] <perrito666> menn0: I did not call :p that is the url for the moonstone hangout
[21:35] <bodie_> anyone familiar with the permissions stuff in apiserver?
[21:35] <bodie_> I'm trying to write a failing test for a unit without perms
[21:36] <bodie_> but, I can't quite figure out how to find a suitable unit to try to query that I won't have perms for
[21:36] <bodie_> I'm in state/apiserver/uniter
[21:36] <bodie_> UniterAPI suite
[21:36] <bodie_> sorry, uniterSuite
[21:45] <bodie_> and batch Actions query is in
[21:45] <bodie_> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/140#discussion-diff-14067952
[21:45] <bodie_> sorry, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/140
[21:46] <bodie_> ActionsWatcher API endpoint would be great to have a review on as well :)
[21:46] <bodie_> PR 141
[22:23] <menn0> bodie_: I'll take a look at that PR today
[22:25] <bodie_> sweet, thanks menn0
[22:31] <sinzui> wallyworld, We got another regression while ppc64 testing was down. I don't think perrito666 or natefinch made progress with it https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1333357
[22:31] <wallyworld> :-(
[22:32] <wallyworld> sinzui: ok, we'll fix today
[22:33] <sinzui> wallyworld, I will grab the tarball and installer the moment I see CI pass to start the release proc
[22:33] <wallyworld> rightio. this release really is cursed so far
[22:34] <dpb1> is there an equivalent to juju run, but for transferring files?   like, send this file to "--unit <unit list>"
[22:35] <wallyworld> sinzui: we also have bug 1333098 that has not been fix commited yet afaict
[22:35] <_mup_> Bug #1333098: API panic running test suite <api> <panic> <regression> <juju-core:In Progress by jameinel> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333098>
[22:35] <wallyworld> dpb1: i think juju scp
[22:36] <wallyworld> yup, type juju help scp
[22:37] <dpb1> wallyworld: yes, but I have to iterate, right?  I have a big file, and I was looking for something that could copy once into the cloud, then distribute that to the units I specify.
[22:38] <wallyworld> dpb1: ah i see what you want. no, sadly you have to iterate
[22:38] <dpb1> wallyworld: k
[22:38] <dpb1> thx
[22:38] <wallyworld> sorry
[22:38] <dpb1> np, I was just wishing. :)
[22:38] <wallyworld> raise a bug if you want
[22:38]  * dpb1 nods
[22:38] <wallyworld> we may be able to do something
[23:20] <perrito666> I did not, I just took a look at it


[02:40] <osmosis> Can anyone tell me what this from my dmesg is being caused by? http://dpaste.com/59176/   2.6.24-19-server
[13:39] <Kano> hi BenC , i wanted to compile, but then o gut makedumpfile - command not found. what is that tool and whats the package name?
[13:44] <Kano> i do not even find a makedumpfile package for intrepidß
[13:50] <Kano> ok, found it in launchpad, but not with packages.ubuntu.com
[14:00] <saftsack> hi
[14:00] <saftsack> i tested 2.6.26-rc8 and i get tty_wakeup errors on connecting through the connect.sh script
[14:21] <Kano> BenC: in lrm you made one space too less in the changelog
[14:24] <Kano> also dont forget -3
[14:29] <BenC> Kano: -3 isn't going out until alpha 1 is out
[14:29] <BenC> Kano: and I'd appreciate if you didn't bark out orders to me
[14:30] <BenC> Kano: makedumpfile is in universe, and it's used to create a vmcoreinfo file so that we can easily capture crashdumps without have a full linux-debug-image installed
[14:31] <Kano> could you fix lrm
[14:34] <Kano> BenC: dont you think it has to be in main when you use it for the kernel?
[14:39] <BenC> Kano: it has to get moved by an archive admin, which is in-progress
[14:39] <Kano> well i put it in my repository
[14:39] <Kano> now i only want to be able to comple lrm to try it
[14:40] <BenC> what are you talking about in lrm?
[14:40] <Kano> the changelog
[14:40] <Kano> a) you missed one space
[14:41] <Kano> in the ABI Bump line in front of the *
[14:41] <Kano> also i still did not get why you need a tab in front of all?
[14:42] <Kano> last change would be a 2nd abi bump
[14:49] <Kano32> well it seems i have to disable that uvesafb, i dont know how to use it...
[14:49] <Kano32> CPU[Dual Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at 1600.000 Mhz]  Kernel[Linux 2.6.26-3-generic i686]  Up[-11min-]  Mem[-115.7/2023.4MB-]  HDD[-760GB(13%used)-]  Procs[-150-]  Client[Konversation 1.0.1]
[14:51] <Kano32> make sure that the v86d helper is installed and executable
[14:51] <Kano32> hmm
[14:53] <Kano32> is there a package with it?
[14:53] <Kano32> or how to you use uvesafb?
[15:45] <Kano> gspca still missing
[15:59] <Kano> also how to build only the firmware package from lrm?
[16:07] <Kano> ok, found it myself, binary-indep...
[16:18] <Kano> hmm using the /lib/firmware dir creates bad dependency problems
[16:19] <Kano> conflicts with ivtv-utils, or did you strip the firmware out of it?
[16:22] <Kano> hmm looks like
[16:33] <Kano> why does the package with the firmware depend on binutils-static?
[16:41] <Tophat> what IDE do most of you use?
[16:41] <Tophat> ..if any.?
[17:16] <bdmurray> BenC: ping
[17:16] <BenC> bdmurray: yo
[17:16] <bdmurray> BenC: Its not clear to me why my PS3 won't boot 2.6.24.  I can't find any bug reports or anything but vague forum posts.
[17:18] <BenC> bdmurray: I know it wont, but I forget why...ps3 guys are working on intrepid (linux-ports) though
[17:18] <BenC> bdmurray: mine is still running gutsy
[17:19] <bdmurray> I successfully upgraded to Hardy just can't run that kernel.  I'm not sure what to do with Ubuntu on it anyway though.
[17:46] <BenC> bdmurray: download the cell enabled distributed.net client and crank out some hashes :)
[17:47] <BenC> ps3 is really only useful as a cell development platform, IMO
[17:47] <bdmurray> BenC: heh, I'd have to fight with the kids for access to it
[17:48] <BenC> my ps3 mostly just sits on the folding@home client
[17:48] <BenC> and some guitar hero III every now and then
[17:48] <BenC> I use it as a blueray player more than anything else :)
[17:48] <bdmurray> I haven't gotten the remote yet, do you need it?
[17:49] <BenC> Nope, just use the controller
[17:50] <bdmurray> Oh, sweet!  You think I would have just tested it.
[17:51] <BenC> buying blueray movies means I have the benefit of telling people no when they ask to borrow movies now
[17:51] <BenC> that will only last but so long though
[17:51] <bdmurray> heh
[18:26] <lapo> hi
[18:27] <lapo> is there a kernel patchset somewhere to better support intel atom processors? (frequency scaling for example)
[18:31] <rtg> lapo: send a note to Oliver Grawert<EMAIL_ADDRESS>He has recently been working on an Atom based unit.
[18:33] <lapo> rtg: thanks I'll do it
[19:07] <BenC> doesn't mid better support atom?
[19:10] <Tophat> so lemme get this right, is MID gonna be for mobile phones/smartphones someday?  almost an alternative to windows mobile?
[19:18] <rtg> Tophat: MID is targeted towards netbook class devices, e.g., those with a somewhat smaller display.
[19:18] <Tophat> eeepc type deal?
[19:19] <rtg> right, displays that require reformatting of applications.
[19:19] <Tophat> right on. thanks mate
[19:19] <Tophat> is there any plans to do an ubuntu for phones?
[19:20] <rtg> Tophat: there is an Ulta-mobile project, but don't think its targeted at phones because of the telco stack required.
[19:21] <Tophat> rtf - excellent ty mate
[19:24] <Tophat> rtg - you use any IDE for kernel stuff?
[19:24] <rtg> Tophat: other then vi?
[19:24] <Tophat> sure
[19:25] <rtg> Tophat: the only other editor I occasionally use is Visual SlickEdit
[19:25] <rtg> but no IDEs per se
[19:26] <Tophat> right, i was just hoping to find a GUI editor for working on the wireless b43
[19:27] <rtg> Tophat: well, vs is pretty good, but it does cost money.
[19:27] <mkrufky> what are you looking for in an IDE?  if all you want is codingstyle enforcement, kwrite, gedit, emacs, anything will do the job given the proper configuration
[19:28] <Tophat> mkrufky - something with a side panel that i can have multiple files open and easy to navigate them all.  something easier than having a million terminal windows open
[19:28] <mkrufky> gedit supports tabs
[19:32] <Tophat> right on thanks mate. dunno why i haven't tried it before... ><
[19:33] <mkrufky> :-)
[19:34] <mkrufky> I been using gedit for this stuff a lot more now that I've basically moved most of my machines to Ubuntu
[19:34] <mkrufky> On a KDE machine I might use kwrite instead
[19:34] <mkrufky> and i always use emacs when Im in a text shell over ssh
[19:35] <mkrufky> kwrite is nice, it lets you expand and collapse functions, prototypes, structures, #defines, etc
[19:42] <BenC> mkrufky: so does vim :)
[19:48] <mkrufky> yes, i never really used vim much ...
[19:48] <mkrufky> but i hear its the best
[20:13] <JanC> SciTE can do the expand/collapse stuff too  ;)
[21:33] <lifeless> hi
[21:34] <lifeless> what kernel should I run on my old pentium firewall:) I was running -386 but the hardy one doesn't.
[21:34] <rtg> dapper
[21:35] <rtg> lifeless: what does that mean, the hardy one doesn't?
[21:35] <lifeless> uhm, I'm not entirely sure - something about 'cannot read system configuration' or 'no configuration found'
[21:36] <lifeless> then it appears to go away into lala land
[21:36] <lifeless> I've just plugged a monitor and keyboard in, so I can dig further - but I'll go offline during reboots :)
[21:36] <rtg> lifeless: what is the latest release that works?
[21:37] <lifeless> I booted 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i586 GNU/Linux
[21:37] <lifeless> and it worked
[21:37] <lifeless> its the most recent kernel before the one the hardy upgrade installed
[21:37] <lifeless> (that is on the machine)
[21:37] <rtg> lifeless: then why wouldn't you stay with dapper?
[21:37] <lifeless> rtg: dappers old, hardies shiny
[21:38] <rtg> lifeless: dude, this is a firewall.
[21:38] <rtg> if it works, then don't fix it.
[21:38] <lifeless> rtg: yes, which is why it was still on dapper; but isn't dapper about to go out of support?
[21:39] <Nafallo> lifeless: wasn't released five years ago yet :-)
[21:39] <rtg> lifeless: 2 more years yet. I'm actively maintaining it as we speak.
[21:39] <lifeless> anyhow, I figured I may as well be one of the pre '8.4.1 is a candidate upgrade' folk
[21:39] <Nafallo> hmm. warty wasn't released five years ago :-O
[21:40] <lifeless> rtg: I'm not stressed by this, there is no urgency - I've changed the default kernel. But if its not my machine, or if -386 is expected to load on a model name      : Pentium 75 - 200
[21:40] <lifeless> then I can potentially save other folk some grief when they do upgrade
[21:41] <rtg> lifeless: I think I have some machines of that vintage.
[21:41] <rtg> lifeless: you leave your firewall alone and I promise to do some -386 testing. After all, we'd miss your shiny presense if it gets trashed :)
[21:41] <lifeless> rtg: :)
[21:42] <lifeless> rtg: thank you ; if you want any sort of tests run by me just let me know
[21:42] <rtg> lifeless: in the meantime dapper is scheduled for some CVE updates.
[21:42] <lifeless> rtg: should I file a bug at this point? (I'm guessing not as I have no real data to give ...)
[21:42] <lifeless> rtg: kernel ones?
[21:43] <rtg> lifeless: yeah - unless you can capture a screen or something, the bug report won't be worth much
[21:43] <lifeless> rtg: [apt is pointing at hardy now; but I can grab dapper kernels...]
[21:43] <rtg> lifeless: yes - kernel updates. still several days away.
[21:43] <lifeless> rtg: I'll keep an eye out. Unless its remote-exploit its low stress for me on this box
[21:43] <rtg> lifeless: are you running hardy userspace with a dapper kernel?
[21:44] <lifeless> rtg: I think so
[21:44] <rtg> lifeless: huh, I'm surprised udev works.
[21:44] <lifeless> rtg: imagine me chortling
[21:44] <lifeless> rtg: it was my 'oh damn it doesn't boot; ok lets try a previous kernel' reaction
[21:45] <rtg> lifeless: seems like a reasonable approach.
[21:46] <lifeless> I'll install the dapper upgrade when it comes out, and take a photo of the hardy fail at the same time
[21:46] <lifeless> thanks heaps
[21:46] <rtg> lifeless: k
[23:37] <kirkland> rtg: hey
[23:50] <rtg> kirkland: dude
[23:51] <kirkland> rtg: you wanna quit sending kernels to your ppa long enough for me to get one installed?  :-)
[23:51] <rtg> kirkland: its like a daily event :)
[23:51] <kirkland> rtg: :-)
[23:51] <kirkland> rtg: it takes FOREVER to build
[23:51] <rtg> I deleted all the kernel packages while this one  is building.
[23:51] <kirkland> rtg: so I've tested the Intrepid kernel, and it does NOT suffer from the ecryptfs bug
[23:52] <kirkland> rtg: yeah, I know ;-)
[23:52] <kirkland> rtg: i'm still trying to verify that cherry picked fix
[23:52] <rtg> kirkland: ok, I'll upload the other packages as soon as the kernel build is done.
[23:52] <kirkland> rtg: i tried it yesterday, and it didn't look like it solve the problem, but I'm not sure I if I pulled the right package or not
[23:52] <rtg> kirkland: I suspect you did.
[23:53] <rtg> kirkland: I know for sure one has that patch
[23:53] <kirkland> rtg: i mean, would that fix have been in the linux-image-generic package, or one of the LUM (and friends)?
[23:53] <rtg> s/one/this one/
[23:53] <kirkland> rtg: ie, ecryptfs is built as a module
[23:54] <rtg> linux-image-generic, its a core kernel patch, wasn't it? yes - i'm sure it  was.
[23:54] <kirkland> rtg: it was for the ecryptfs filesystem, which is built as a module
[23:54] <rtg> kirkland: built as a module, but part of the kernel package
[23:54] <kirkland> rtg: ah
[23:54] <kirkland> okay


[01:07] <ajmitch> right, laptop upgraded to maverick, so I'm only ~11 months behind now
[02:03] <hads> I bailed on Unity, currently using KDE
[19:56] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:05] <snail> morning
[20:24] <Atamira> morning
[20:26] <ajmitch> morning
[20:31] <snail> is the network shite for anyone else this morning?
[20:33] <ajmitch> by 'the network', you mean freenode?
[20:33] <ajmitch> they were upgrading & restarting various servers on freenode over the last half hour
[20:38] <snail> ajmitch: i think everyone and their dogs have networking work scheduled for this morning and I'm seeing the perfect storm here.
[23:06] <ojwb> morning


[01:27] <zacwalls> im trying to use playonlinux but it hates me. i would really like to know how to install skyrim.
[01:34] <ZeroSoul> so ive been using xubuntu for a few days. now when i boot up it will randomly freeze. or now i cant access anything on the desktop or use the little menu at the top right. i also cant expand or resize my firefox window but i can use firefox and thats how im typing this now
[01:34] <ZeroSoul> top left* sorry
[01:35] <ZeroSoul> any help would be majorly appreciated
 did you remove any software using the software entre?
[01:37] <|zer0|> centre even!
[01:37] <ZeroSoul> using the what?
[01:37] <|zer0|> ubuntu software centre?
[01:37] <ZeroSoul> i havent really installed anything except kino through the terminal
[01:38] <ZeroSoul> other than that i havent done much
[01:38] <ZeroSoul> it just randomly will freeze certain things
[01:38] <ZeroSoul> like i cant close out of the firefox window im in right now
[01:41] <|zer0|> Im new myself so not sure if something you have installed may have corrupted omething, I had a similar issues in that I would login in and have no access to anything (no ile menu), found that previously I removed web browser and mail reader which seems to remove system files important to the function of xubunutu, thats why I asked if you removed anything using the software entre.
[01:42] <|zer0|> sorry bout my typing (new keyboard)!!
[01:44] <ZeroSoul> dont worry zer0 its weird to adjust to new boards. what did you get if you dont mind me asking? possibly the fact i recently updated to the new version of xubuntu fucked me over
[01:44] <ElderDryas> !language
[01:45] <ElderDryas> well, that wasn't what I wanted :)
[01:45] <ElderDryas> !profanity
[01:45] <ElderDryas> not that either
[01:45] <|zer0|> Rapoo 9060 wireless et
[01:45] <ElderDryas> ZeroSoul: No profanity, please
[01:46] <ZeroSoul> sorry
[01:46] <ZeroSoul> didnt know it wasnt allowed. my bad everyone
[01:47] <ZeroSoul> zer0: what keyboard did you get?
[01:47] <|zer0|> Rapoo 9060 wireless keyboard/mouse
[01:48] <|zer0|> feels a lot like a laptop keyboard.
[01:49] <ZeroSoul> gross
[01:50] <ZeroSoul> i got a corsair raptor k50 (dontm ake fun of the rubber domes) about 6 months ago. thing is massive but i really like it
[01:50] <ZeroSoul> i want to get an ibm model m at somepoint
 that thing is huge, looks like a control panel from a cold war era russian rocket ;P
[01:54] <|zer0|> #HELP# anybody gotten itunes 10 working through playonlinux on xubuntu 14.04?
[01:57] <ZeroSoul> zer0: while it is huge the 18 macros are a little unnessecary but fun
 Looks like you like the old school peripherals :) suppose they are tough and you are recycling  :)
[01:59] <ZeroSoul> zer0: i only use old keyboards. old mice kinda suck because while technology in mice have gone a long ways the tech for keyboards is pretty much the same. and i like the feel and ruggedness of the buckling springs on a model m
[02:07] <xubuntu758> I haven't been able to get packages all day
[02:07] <xubuntu758> is there some sort of server problem?
 I havent seen a coiled cord on a keyboard in years! something they should bring back for wired setups  :)
[02:09] <|zer0|> #HELP# error: "Error in POL_Shortcut
[02:09] <|zer0|> Binary not found: iTunes.exe
[02:09] <|zer0|> Have you installed the program to the default location?" getting this when trying to install itunes 10 via playonlinux.
[02:09] <|zer0|> Anybody got a cue?
[02:48] <GeekDude> New install of 14.04, rand all 300mb of software updates. I've installed x11vnc and openssh. I'm connected over ssh, trying to start x11vnc. The server seems to start alright, but every time a client tries to connect it just fails
[02:49] <GeekDude> it closes the socket immediately
[02:58] <holstein> GeekDude: trying to start the server like that can be challenging.. i start it, but it takes a few flags to start over ssh.. how are you starting?
[02:59] <GeekDude> well, I was trying to start it over ssh "x11vnc -display :0"
[02:59] <GeekDude> however, now I'm starting it on the machine itself, and it's still killing connections instantly
[02:59] <holstein> GeekDude: sure. im saying, i do start over ssh, but it takes more than that
[02:59] <GeekDude> it sees the connections in the log at least
[02:59] <holstein> GeekDude: what is your command? is that all?
[02:59] <GeekDude> ... yes?
[02:59] <GeekDude> is that bad
[02:59] <GeekDude> ?
[03:00] <holstein> GeekDude: its not what i use.. i have more.. i'll look at my command and share..
[03:00] <holstein> GeekDude: otherwise, test locally, if you have access to the machine
[03:00] <GeekDude> I am sitting next to it
[03:00] <GeekDude> so, yes
[03:01] <holstein> GeekDude: ok.. so log in, locally, start the vnc servrer, and run the client locally, on the same machine, andsee if you connect.. if you dont, then you wont be able to connect over a network
[03:02] <GeekDude> I'll need a vnc client
[03:02] <GeekDude> Any suggestions? I don't generally do vnc from linux
[03:04] <holstein> !info remmina
[03:08] <GeekDude> holstein: same result
[03:09] <GeekDude> connection closes immediately
[03:11] <holstein> GeekDude: i suggest trying a simpler vnc server.. vino, or whatever.. even team viewer.
[03:12] <GeekDude> I was going to use vino, but the whole security permissions update really annoys me
[03:13] <holstein> GeekDude: ?
[03:13] <holstein> GeekDude: vnc is a security risk
[03:13] <holstein> GeekDude: you can learn about vnc over ssh or whatever. i suggest you just get *something* working, locally, and test.. and play around, and learn
[03:13] <GeekDude> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=987981
[03:13] <GeekDude> I'm talking about this ^
[03:14] <GeekDude> vino switched to a relatively unused authentication protocol, and it's annoying to work around
[03:15] <holstein> GeekDude: im talking about, *dont* trust vnc in general
[03:15] <GeekDude> I know, I do vnc over ssh with my working boxes constantly
[03:15] <holstein> GeekDude: set vino up on the local machine, and see if you can connect.. then, see if you can connect on your lan.. then, go from there
[03:31] <GeekDude> holstein: vino works
[03:34] <holstein> GeekDude: personally, i think you are just not using enough arguments for vnc, if you prefer that..
[03:35] <GeekDude> I think vino is great, but I've had good experiences with x11vnc too. Although, those were all with xvfb as the x server, and no desktop environment
[04:34] <|zer0|> Has anybody here used Plex over xubuntu?
[05:20] <phunyguy> |zer0|: isn't plex an app?
[05:21] <|zer0|> yeah media server
[05:21] <phunyguy> oh so you mean using Plex on Xubuntu?
[05:21] <phunyguy> it sounded like you meant using it instead of Xubuntu.
[05:21] <|zer0|> yes :)
[05:21] <phunyguy> I got confused :(
[05:22] <phunyguy> sorry, I have never used Plex myself.  Hopefully someone else knows.
[05:22] <|zer0|> im trying to add folders from my Netgear stora NAS into Plex but Plex is only showing me "/" and "boot" dunno how to add folders from the NAS :(
[05:22] <|zer0|> thats okay, tryin to figure this out on there forums too
[08:38] <onr> the hell is tumblerd?
[08:38] <onr> xubuntu is trying to make me a hipster now
[08:38] <cfhowlett> !info tumblerd
[08:38] <bazhang> !find tumblerd
[08:39] <bazhang> onr explain yourself
[08:39] <onr> well, i'm using xubuntu 14.04 and it's running
[08:40] <onr> also eats good portion of my cpu and memory
[08:40] <bazhang> onr, what are your system specs currently
[08:40] <onr> 2 core cpu and 4 gigs of mem
[08:41] <onr> hmm, he just calmed down. still running silently
[08:41] <brainwash> did you open a directory with a large amount of pictures or big video files? tumbler is know to get stuck sometimes when creating those preview pictures
[08:41] <onr> he was utilizing 20-30% of cpu
[08:43] <onr> no
[08:43] <onr> oh, maybe calibre?
[08:44] <bazhang> yeah
[08:44] <bazhang> that would do it
[08:45] <bazhang> you dont need to use calibre, there are tools to read the formats natively
[08:47] <onr> i use it to manage ebooks i have. it runs evince when i want to read one
[08:47] <onr> but it uses its own reader for epub format. is there a standalone tool to read epub?
[08:47] <cfhowlett> !epub
[08:47] <cfhowlett> !info epub
[08:48] <cfhowlett> grrrrrr
[08:48] <cfhowlett> onr, look in software center for "epub"
[08:49] <onr> hmm fbreader exists
[08:59] <bazhang> as does okular
[09:01] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/14378/what-software-can-i-use-to-view-epub-documents
[09:38] <xubuntu233> Hi, can anyone help me get my USB microphone to work properly in xubuntu please. It has loads of background noise and static. Example recorded sound file:  https://www.sendspace.com/file/2mcx1t
[09:38] <xubuntu233> googled loads and nothing seems to affect it :(
[09:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu233, ow!  OW!
[09:39] <xubuntu233> lol
[09:39] <ochosi> xubuntu233: i presume you tried to open "alsamixer" from the terminal and reduce the input volume?
[09:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu233, 1.  try a different usb port
[09:39] <xubuntu233> tried alsamixer just makes it more quiet. ill try another usb now
[09:41] <ochosi> xubuntu233: did you also change the "mic boost" in alsamixer?
[09:42] <ochosi> at least i have the input volume separated from what i assume is a software amp
[09:42] <xubuntu233> doesnt have a mic boost options. might be cause its usb headset or something. I've fixed it... put it in a case usb instead of mobo one and it worked! thanks all. :D!!!
[09:44] <ochosi> hah, that was a simple solution then :)
[09:44] <xubuntu233> always the way, feel such a n00b lol
[09:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu233, that feeling will pass :)
[11:13] <asuslaptop> hi
[11:13] <asuslaptop> can we remove the non-free firmware from kernel in xubuntu ?
[11:50] <brainwash> asuslaptop: if you don't need any of the non-free firmware, then feel free to uninstall the package
[11:51] <asuslaptop> brainwash: but the wiki says it does not come with non-free firmware pre-installed is it true ?
[11:51] <brainwash> should be true
[11:51] <asuslaptop> brainwash: but the kernel still has non-free blobs even if I remove the non-free stuff ?
[11:52] <brainwash> like?
[11:52] <asuslaptop> like brainwash we have trisquel it does not have any non-free blob in the kernel .. so when i use it with my laptop ( netbook
[11:53] <asuslaptop> it don't boot well as graphics is not support even on debian non-free firmware is required to be installed
[11:53] <asuslaptop> but it works fine on Xubuntu
[11:53] <asuslaptop> i think it is not true that Xubuntu does not come pre-installed with non-free firmware
[11:53] <asuslaptop> also vrms program does not show it at all but it shows in debian
[11:54] <brainwash> which graphics card?
[11:56] <brainwash> (x)ubuntu is able to install the closed source driver if supported and selected by the user
[11:56] <asuslaptop> brainwash: amd c-60 apu
[11:56] <asuslaptop> brainwash: where can I read about xubuntu repos ? and how can make sure I only have the free ones ?
[11:57] <brainwash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[11:58] <clark> hi all, are there any "fast search" utilities available for xubuntu/linux?
[11:58] <brainwash> clark: xubuntu ships with "catfish"
[11:59] <brainwash> "Catfish is a handy file searching tool for Linux and UNIX. The interface is intentionally lightweight and simple, using only Gtk+3. You can configure it to your needs by using several command line options."
[11:59] <clark> I mean a search functionality that tag and save all files in a database for fast access,  like spotlight on OSX if you are familiar with that ?
[12:00] <Floriel> hi
[12:00] <clark> brainwash,  is it not very slow? and can you tag stuff ?
[12:01] <brainwash> clark: tagging is not possible I think
[12:01] <brainwash> clark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSXApplicationsEquivalents has some suggestions
[12:02] <Floriel> i'm trying to upgrade from xubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 but 14.04 (or rather 14.04.1) doesn't show up as a LTS release
[12:02] <Floriel> is there a good reason for that?
[12:03] <clark> brainwash, I will take a look, thnaks
[12:04] <bluesabre> clark: I haven't used it myself, but Tracker might fit the bill https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker
[12:05] <|zer0|> #help# anybody setup plex?
[12:05] <Floriel> "do-release-upgrade -c" reports no new releasees, "do-release-upgrade -c -d" reports 14.04 available
[12:05] <|zer0|> Need help!
[12:06] <Floriel> so 14.04 is currently marked as a developer release?
 I have plex configured on my xubuntu box
[12:06] <brainwash> Floriel: this is the most asked question lately
[12:06] <brainwash> Floriel: no
[12:06] <Floriel> any clues/fixes?
[12:07] <brainwash> you can pass the -d parameter to force the upgrade
[12:07] <clark> bluesabre, yes, maybe. I will try it out
[12:08] <Floriel> will i have to set det upgrade settings back to LST only after the upgrade, or is it forced only once?
[12:08] <brainwash> Floriel: more users are confused by the missing upgrade offer -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/502503/why-does-do-release-upgrade-on-12-04-system-not-find-14-04-1-upgrade
[12:09] <Floriel> thx
[12:09] <brainwash> you can make sure afterwards that it's still set to LTS
[12:12] <asuslaptop> brainwash: is it possible to edit the source.list at the time of installation to ensure that only packages from main repos are installed ?
[12:12] <cfhowlett> asuslaptop, by default that is the setting
[12:12] <Floriel> just to make sure: there's no known reason for 14.04 not showing up?
[12:13] <asuslaptop> cfhowlett: but restriced is supported by default
[12:13] <asuslaptop> why ?
[12:13] <asuslaptop> for drivers ?
[12:13] <cfhowlett> Floriel, it's a but.  do-release-upgrade -p    is the workaround
[12:13] <Floriel> thx
[12:14] <cfhowlett> asuslaptop, ?  available yes.  enabled, no.  not without explicit user action
[12:15] <asuslaptop> cfhowlett: ok so only main is activated by default and nothing else ?
[12:17] <cfhowlett> asuslaptop, by default ... such is my understanding
[12:17] <bluesabre> !fstab: |zer0|
[12:17] <bluesabre> aw, ubottu fails
[12:18] <bluesabre> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[12:30] <xubuntu948> Is there something wrong with the server for 12.10 updates?
[12:30] <xubuntu948> I haven't been able to update or install ne packages
[12:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu948, nope.  12.10 is no longer supported.  end of life
[12:30] <xubuntu948> what? has it been 3 years?
[12:31] <cfhowlett> 12.10 NEVER had 3 years of support
[12:31] <cfhowlett> !lts
[12:31] <xubuntu948> riight ok
[12:31] <cfhowlett> previous LTS was 12.04 - supported until 2017
[12:31] <xubuntu948> got it
[12:31] <xubuntu948> thank you!
[12:31] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade
[12:45] <XubuntuUser> hi
[12:45] <XubuntuUser> how can i disable guest account in xubuntu 14.04
[12:45] <XubuntuUser> ?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> XubuntuUser, light dm _ disable guest account
[12:46] <cfhowlett> XubuntuUser, http://linuxg.net/lightdm-tweaks-remove-the-white-dots-and-disable-guest-login-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[12:48] <XubuntuUser> thanks
[14:09] <xubuntu705> Hello, is it normal, that I get unsupported  xfce packages with ubuntu-support on 12.04?
[14:10] <xubuntu705> I thought it should be supported 3 years.
[14:41] <xubuntu705> Any idea?
[14:54] <holstein> xubuntu705: the repos for 12.04 are still up
[14:54] <holstein> !12.04
[14:55] <holstein> xubuntu705: the ubuntu repos will be up for 5 years, so the "core" ubuntu repo packages will be available and maintained for 5 years.. xubuntu specific issues addressed for 3
[15:00] <xubuntu705> Why does ubuntu-support-status return them as unsupported?
[15:00] <holstein> xubuntu705: them? what are you using to report what?
[15:01] <holstein> xubuntu705: basically, the xubuntu team/community has promised to support the xubuntu specific packages for 3 years
[15:01] <holstein> xubuntu705: the ubuntu repos are "hot" for 5 years, and ubuntu has promised 5 years
[15:02] <xubuntu705> This packagege are listed as unsupported. http://codepad.org/RbgAliQk
[15:02] <xubuntu705> Nicht unterstÃ¼tzt: -> not supported:
[15:02] <holstein> xubuntu705: what is "reporting" those as unsupported?
[15:03] <holstein> xubuntu705: the xubuntu team has promised support.. are you using any ppas?
[15:03] <xubuntu705> ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[15:03] <holstein> i mean, you are either getting updates, or not.. if you get an update, then thats support
[15:03] <holstein> xubuntu705: if you are using some reporting tool, you can file  a bug against that, if you feel it is reporting incorrectly
[15:03] <holstein> !bug
[15:04] <xubuntu705> Sure but it would be nice to know, if soemone has a look at it for security holes on this packages.
[15:05] <holstein> xubuntu705: well, you know, since the team has promised.. but, what you think would be nice, is if whatever tool you are using would report as you want.. and filing a bug would be the way to start.. are you using any ppas?
[15:06] <xubuntu705> No
[15:06] <xubuntu705> No ppas.
[15:07] <xubuntu705> Install is based on the install from the 12.04 media and apt-get updates.
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu705: i would ask in main #ubuntu about that tool, and see if there are any bugs filed against it.. and see if that is how you are intended to check the status
[15:07] <xubuntu705> okay
[15:07] <xubuntu705> thanks so far
[15:10] <holstein> basically, ubuntu (and flavors) are not rolling releases. the versions of most everything, except for a few packages now-a-days such as web browsers, are not updated to newer versions, but basically "frozen" in time
[15:10] <holstein> when security patches are released, volunteers would apply them.. volunteers or paid maintainers
[15:11] <xubuntu705> I'm only looking for security patches and not new versions.
[15:11] <holstein> AFAIK, there is no special way to run a command that confirms this activity... the volunteers and maintainers just volunteer and maintain. im not sure that there is a system where you can run a command to see when that maintenance ends, since its just well documented
[15:12] <holstein> xubuntu705: even if you are looking for security patches, they would be applied by volunteers and maintainers.. you can file a bug against the package, and if the patches physically cannot be applied, which could be plausible, you could file a backport bug to try and get a newer version backported
[15:13] <xubuntu705> Okay
[15:28] <xubuntu253> help XD
[15:28] <xubuntu253> ho scaricato xubuntu
[15:29] <xubuntu253> e il microfono su skipe non funziona D:
[15:29] <holstein> !audio | xubuntu253
[15:29] <cfhowlett> !it
[15:29] <xubuntu253> ah ok
[15:29] <xubuntu253> sorry I have no problems speaking english :D
[15:29] <holstein> xubuntu253: otherwise, let skype know you need support with the product they support
[15:30] <holstein> i would make sure audio is working as expected, otherwise, then i would use pavucontrol to help route, and try the different versions of skype available
[15:31] <xubuntu253> the pichrophone works like if i talk I see the audio lines moving
[15:31] <xubuntu253> *michrophone
[15:31] <xubuntu253> but
[15:32] <xubuntu253> on skype it doesn t work
[15:32] <xubuntu253> D;
[15:32] <xubuntu253> if i listen to a song i can hear sounds
[15:33] <xubuntu253> and i can use the webcam
[15:33] <xubuntu253> but i cant use the michrophone :(
[15:35] <holstein> xubuntu253: so, as i suggest, please test the microphone in a situation other than with skype.. see that the microphone actually works  with the system.. use pavucontrol to route to something like audacity or another supported, in repo application
[15:36] <xubuntu253> oki ill try
[15:36] <xubuntu253> :D
[15:43] <xubuntu705> Is the skype version from the repo?
[15:45] <xubuntu253> the skype version is from the website of skype i took the ubuntu 10. something version
[15:45] <xubuntu705> Take the one from the repo
[15:46] <xubuntu705> The version from MS needs a fix
[15:46] <xubuntu253> the repo?
[15:46] <xubuntu253> where exactly?
[15:47] <xubuntu705> try this to start skype;  env PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 skype
[15:48] <xubuntu253> ok...
[15:48] <xubuntu253> ù
[15:48] <xubuntu253> then???
[15:48] <xubuntu705> Works the micro?
[15:50] <xubuntu253> no still
[15:50] <xubuntu253> :/
[15:51] <xubuntu705> Okay that did the job for me.
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu253: can your record the audio with audacity? or use the mic with any other application?
[15:51] <xubuntu253> ill try audiacity now
[15:55] <xubuntu253> no doesnt record O_O
[15:55] <xubuntu253> there are MANY MANY michropones none works
[15:56] <xubuntu253> should I install a app?
[15:56] <xubuntu253> or a driver?
[15:57] <xubuntu253> my xubuntu is totally fresh I only installed some multimedial supports from the official website
[15:57] <xubuntu253> and skype and audiacity
[15:57] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, *some* multimedia?
[15:58] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras       for the most comprehensive codec support.
[15:59] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, and get your skype from the ubuntu software center
[16:01] <xubuntu253> xubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu253: so, i suggest you work with the microphone support independent of the skype software.. since, fixing the mic support will likely just make skype work as expected
[16:04] <xubuntu253> here isn’t a software package called “skype” in your current software sources.
[16:05] <xubuntu253> thats what it sayd D:
[16:05] <holstein> xubuntu253: if you cannot use the mic in audacity, skype is not the problem
[16:05] <xubuntu253> i agree holstein
[16:05] <xubuntu253> but how do i fix the michrophone
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu253: so, stop troubleshooting skype, and go back to the mic support.. i would open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and apply updates.. reboot and test the mic
[16:06] <xubuntu253> can anyone control my pc from remote
[16:06] <xubuntu253> ?
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu253: no. this is not that kind of support.. the person responsible for that level of support is the hardware vendor. and they likely dont officially support linux
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu253: please look for, and apply updates.. then, reboot and test.. then, use..
[16:06] <holstein> !audio | xubuntu253
[16:08] <xubuntu253> its downloading alot of stuff :D
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu253: no.. "it" is doing the update that you commanded
[16:08] <xubuntu253> thats cool
[16:08] <xubuntu253> thank u!
[16:09]  * cfhowlett suspects that this is a long-deferred update/upgrade
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu253: the update can "fix" the mic.. but, actually, nothing is broken, so it can be challenging.. it can be as simple as unmuting something in alsamixer in the terminal.. or, as complex as, the hardware doesnt support alsa/linux
[16:10] <xubuntu253> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze        Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto Calcolo dell'aggiornamento... Eseguito 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
[16:11] <holstein> i usually start troubleshooting all of this prior to installationfrom a live CD... but, you can refer to the link i gave about troubleshooting.. i would open a terminal and run alsamixer after updating.. and make sure you try all options there, trusting no labels
[16:12] <holstein> i would have audacity open, recording, and tweak settings in alsamixer and pavucontrol til the mic works
[16:18] <xubuntu253> its starting to work
[16:18] <xubuntu253> its so loud ahaha
[16:19] <xubuntu253> and now i cant install skype wtf
[16:20] <xubuntu253> there is any script i can write to install skype?
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntu253: "i cant install skype" is not a question
[16:20] <holstein> !skype
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntu253: should be as simple as locating it in the package manager of your choice
[16:22] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, skype wont' install from ubuntu software center?
[16:23] <xubuntu253> nope
[16:23] <xubuntu253> D:
[16:24] <xubuntu253> ill paste here the log
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu253: you likely still have apt-get running
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu253: please close other package managers, and try installing skype as instructed above.. as you did before. the issue you were having had nothing to do with skype anyway
[16:25] <xubuntu253> now its working :D
[16:27] <xubuntu253> thanks a lot guysss finally
[16:27] <xubuntu253> im working on this pc since 4 days LOL
[16:49] <xubuntu697> everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?
[16:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu697, bad idea to disable your password ...
[16:50] <xubuntu697> i mean
[16:50] <xubuntu697> remove it when I turn on the pc in order that I have not to insert it at every turn on of the pc
[16:52] <xubuntu697> oh and on skype... on the michrophone I have "Pulse audio server (local)" but I can't choose anything else why? :(
[16:53] <xubuntu697> pulse audio server (local) doesnt work D:
[16:54] <xubuntu697> !help
[16:55] <xubuntu697> everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?
[16:55] <xubuntu697> on skype... on the michrophone I have "Pulse audio server (local)" but I can't choose anything else why? :(  pulse audio server (local) doesnt work D:
[17:01] <quantibility> hey
[17:01] <quantibility> any xubuntu devlopers?
[17:01] <quantibility> developers?
[17:02] <cfhowlett> quantibility, they don't generally hang here --- other things to do.  same as in main channel
[17:02] <quantibility> other things?
[17:02] <quantibility> othere things hang in here?
[17:03] <quantibility> like, witches and wearwolves ?
[17:03] <cfhowlett> quantibility, this is the support channel.  ask support questions.
[17:03] <quantibility> yes
[17:05] <xubuntu697> wow
[17:05] <xubuntu697> i ask support
[17:05] <xubuntu697> i got ignored :)
[17:05] <cfhowlett> !patience | xubuntu697
[17:05] <xubuntu697>  on skype... on the michrophone I have "Pulse audio server (local)" but I can't choose anything else why? :(  pulse audio server (local) doesnt work D:
[17:05] <xubuntu697>  on skype... on the michrophone I have "Pulse audio server (local)" but I can't choose anything else why? :(  pulse audio server (local) doesnt work D:
[17:05] <xubuntu697>  on skype... on the michrophone I have "Pulse audio server (local)" but I can't choose anything else why? :(  pulse audio server (local) doesnt work D:
[17:06] <xubuntu697> everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?
[17:06] <xubuntu697> everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?everytime i turn on the pc it asks me a password...how can i remove it?
[17:06] <cfhowlett> xubuntu697, ask in #ubuntu
[17:11] <w1z> hey
[17:12] <cfhowlett> w1z, ask your xubuntu question
[17:13] <w1z> cfhowlett, i have no question
[17:14] <cfhowlett> w1z, <cfhowlett> w1z, ask your xubuntu question
[17:14] <quantibility> Xubuntu is da sheeznit but i would like to help with your bugs, is there a xubuntu bug center place the DEVELOPERS hang out at?
[17:15] <cfhowlett> !bug | quantibility
[17:15] <quantibility> wounderful i know this aready bot?
[17:15] <quantibility> chfhowlett
[17:15] <cfhowlett> !contribute
[17:15] <quantibility> sure i can post the bug all day, but that isn't any fun
[17:16] <quantibility> i swear this isn't a support channel, its a live redirecting
[17:16] <quantibility> I need to talk to developers about bugs cause well
[17:17] <quantibility> its more fun to talk and process the bug cause i remember how to cause them
[17:17] <quantibility> i know specifics not joe shmoo knowledge
[17:17] <bluesabre> one of the developers here, about to head out
[17:17] <quantibility> dang it
[17:17] <quantibility> alright
[17:17] <quantibility> thank you
[17:18] <bluesabre> for bug fixes, we prefer to have bug reports
[17:18] <xangua> #ubuntu-dev
[17:18] <quantibility> woot thanks xangua
[17:18] <bluesabre> because you can tell us your issues, and then we'd end up creating a bug report for it anyway
[17:18] <quantibility> #ubuntu-dev
[17:18] <bluesabre> we have a small team
[17:18] <quantibility> blue
[17:18] <quantibility> im a good bug detector
[17:18] <bluesabre> and its the weekend, so there's not quite the same amount of support available
[17:19] <quantibility> tis not support  i wanna help.. im good at finding bugs all the time
[17:19] <quantibility> i find tons in windows but non with support like this
[17:19] <quantibility> besides i got a letter of copywrite infringment cause i can't afford windows
[17:19] <quantibility> and besides fuck man debian is better and Xubuntu is the shiat
[17:20] <xangua> !language | quantibility
[17:20] <quantibility> sorry
[17:20] <cfhowlett> quantibility, trolling and profanity?  again?  you were warned about this *and kicked* just a couple days ago.  stop it
[17:20] <quantibility> ive been on irc since 11 and im now 35 no joke
[17:20] <bluesabre> As you find bugs, please file a bug report.  As listed above, ubuntu-bug makes it easy to report, and if you just report what you are experiencing, developers can fix the bug, or request more information as needed
[17:20] <bluesabre> anyway, gotta run now, bbl
[17:21] <quantibility> i do blue
[17:21] <quantibility> i do
[17:21] <quantibility> every itme
[17:22] <quantibility> #ubuntu-dev is dead?
[17:22] <quantibility> small room lol
[17:26] <quantibility> cfhowlett, please don't patronize me, i don't need to be reminded with fancy bot output and  reminders of reminders, as i said ive known about IRC for years and know how to screw everything up. remember irc was MUCH bigger in the past before facebook and AOL i know RULES and regulations and all the little ways to hack puters over this network.. of course  that knowledge is very old and haven't used them in centuries . but i don
[17:26] <quantibility> 't need grammatic and reminders on how to be civilized on this channel or others becuase we both know that its dependent on the individual... if i make a mistake and swear (spelling correctly) or flood a channel let the bots do their job don't remind me for anything.. thank you.
[17:28] <w1z> lol, i asked a question here yesterday, cfhowlett asked me if I rebooted or "shutdown" first. I have never in my life had a need to shutdown a linux box to fix a problem.
[17:28] <w1z> That's a windows troubleshooting  step.
[17:29] <quantibility> wlz, i have to shut down most of the time comming out of "sleep" or "suspended" mode, any idea what the problem is, it causes errors most times
[17:30] <quantibility> my home folder is hashed
[17:30] <w1z> Your hard-drive is probably not waking up.
[17:30] <quantibility> ah
[17:30] <quantibility> so what im seeing is memory image?
[17:30] <quantibility> just in mem?
[17:30] <quantibility> i mean
[17:30] <quantibility> i come out of it
[17:31] <quantibility> log in and stuff
[17:31] <w1z> I have a crappy hard-drive right now, it never had a problem before, not too sure what happened. But everytime I perform sudo apt-get install (any package) it gives me an input output error.
[17:31] <quantibility> ouch
[17:31] <quantibility> im good on that
[17:31] <quantibility> old hardrive?
[17:31] <quantibility> hmm
[17:31] <quantibility> so ide?
[17:31] <w1z> I managed to get it working with sudo apt-get install -f (any package) but i rebooted and getting the same problem again.
[17:32] <w1z> It's a SATA drive and not sure whats going on with it, but no matter the O/S that is on it (i've had windows / osx / linux) it gives me this problem so it's probably about to die.
[17:32] <quantibility> ok
[17:32] <quantibility> i don't see -f in the man install?
[17:33] <quantibility> you mean -t?
[17:33] <w1z> it's there, -f  Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place
[17:34] <quantibility> ah its a force
[17:34] <quantibility> further down the list lol
[17:34] <quantibility> then you need the other dependencies..
[17:34] <quantibility> have you
[17:34] <w1z> sudo apt-get -f upgrade fixed it for me, now I still just get this error...
[17:34] <quantibility> apt-get update yet?
[17:35] <w1z> Yes, I have. It's probably the weirdest thing I have run into.
[17:36] <quantibility> yea interesting? currupt process file?
[17:36] <quantibility> im guessing what ever process apt-get uses for install is currupted?
[17:36] <w1z> this is the error i get..
[17:36] <quantibility> do you mess with the script alot?
[17:37] <quantibility> cause the -f just skips over the error in the script
[17:37] <quantibility> moves on
[17:37] <quantibility> remove that
[17:37] <w1z> http://pastebin.com/vMyqMDVY
[17:37] <quantibility> yeah
[17:37] <w1z> quantibility, I get the same error without the -f
[17:37] <quantibility> yes but it moves on becuase of the -f
[17:38] <w1z> yeah
[17:38] <quantibility> it a sub process from what i see
[17:38] <quantibility> so
[17:38] <w1z> I actually got it working the other day with the -f, now it's doing the same thing.
[17:39] <w1z> but I can't even install anything from the software center, or anything like that.
[17:39] <quantibility> if there is one thing i noticed with xubuntu is that the code is adaptable to the user...
[17:39] <quantibility> so
[17:39] <quantibility> once you fix something it regenerates a error fix log, from what i am guessing
[17:40] <quantibility> but that may not be true
[17:40] <quantibility> anyhow
[17:41] <w1z> it's weird because -f actually worked at one point, and i had a great time with apt-get. lol
[17:41] <quantibility> wlz show the output without the force
[17:42] <w1z> k
[17:43] <w1z> http://pastebin.com/gq0BL02U
[17:43] <quantibility> thanks
[17:45] <quantibility> you have encryption?
[17:45] <quantibility> have you tried sudo?
[17:46] <quantibility> Wlz
[17:46] <quantibility> are you encrypted?
[17:48] <quantibility> sorry
[17:48] <quantibility> just realized you did
[17:49] <quantibility> try this
[17:50] <quantibility> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings try reinstalling those files, it should correct input output error because it would fix the needed package by reinstalling a clean one...
[17:51] <quantibility> wlz
[17:51] <quantibility> of course it could being you whole GUI back to stock but hey
[17:51] <quantibility> why not
[17:53] <w1z> back
[17:54] <w1z> quantibility, i'll try that right now
[17:58] <quantibility> afk
[18:02] <guihavas> hello there
[18:03] <guihavas> someone knows how to overpass the nvidia pilot settings on the sytem display settings ?
[18:03] <quantibility> guihavas,
[18:03] <quantibility> what are you saying?
[18:03] <quantibility> like
[18:04] <quantibility> no never mind, i don't know
[18:04] <quantibility> sorry
[18:06] <w1z> quantibility, even removing packages gives same error. i'll come back to it later.
[18:06] <quantibility> ouch
[18:06] <quantibility> that sucks bro
[18:06] <quantibility> boreet
[18:06] <quantibility> broette
[18:06] <quantibility> heh
[18:06] <quantibility> alright
[18:06] <guihavas> it's pretty simple : I installed the Nvidia pilot beacause I had trouble with default displaying
[18:07] <quantibility> ok
[18:07] <w1z> quantibility, i managed to get it to work one time, now i dunno.
[18:07] <guihavas> The point is system thinks one my display is the other..
[18:07] <guihavas> Nvidia knows which is which so it's easier to configure
[18:08] <quantibility> btw wlz i thought about it and  was thinking that it may be hard becuase the package you need to reinstall the same package is corrupted lol
[18:08] <quantibility> Guihavas,
[18:09] <w1z> quantibility, well i see the HD light is busy when i try it and gets stuck at 80% reading package database...
[18:10] <w1z> quantibility, and a few months before that installing osx86 on the HD i could hear it making a loud clanking noise and failing the installation,
[18:10] <w1z> but if i keep trying it will successfully do things.
[18:10] <quantibility> in order to mess with any propioritery drivers you always need to make sure your default settings are in order, for instance i learned that in order for me to use muiti screen AMD propriatery drivers i have to make sure my defaults are aware of all the inital settings
[18:11] <quantibility> wlz
[18:11] <quantibility> you may just need to take the whole file system and merge with root
[18:11] <quantibility> that is another way to install
[18:12] <quantibility> its dirty but you can clean up with working files and manually iniating all the setup files
[18:12] <w1z> I think i'll just get a new HD :P
[18:12] <guihavas> point is the system positively denies to recognize which display is which
[18:12] <quantibility> when i first started and had no clue with xubuntu ubuntu and solusOS
[18:12] <w1z> i'm pretty sure at this point it's the harddrive
[18:13] <quantibility> so i pretty much just dragged and merge to get some programs working again i was a baby and grew into this system
[18:13] <quantibility> almost 3 weeks running lol
[18:13] <quantibility> wlz i agree
[18:13] <quantibility> bad hard drive
[18:14] <quantibility> you can format with Fdisk type linux programs
[18:14] <quantibility> possibily save your HD
[18:14] <quantibility> i have 3 on this system
[18:15] <quantibility> lap top and two one IDE and other SATA on IDE/Sata USB link
[18:15] <w1z> yeah there are times also if i open up google chrome, it freeze's up.
[18:15] <w1z> on initial startup
[18:16] <quantibility> frankly i made sure i got debian based systems cause of all the hardware i wanna through at it
[18:16] <quantibility> throw
[18:17] <quantibility> GUI denies?
[18:17] <quantibility> how are you connecting you displays?
[18:18] <dfsdf33> what is the latest Xubuntu live session password?
[18:18] <w1z> quantibility, ...
[18:18] <w1z> to answer your earlier question quantibility , http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[18:18] <w1z> join the mailing list, join dev chat etc.
[18:24] <quantibility> thanks
[18:25] <quantibility> anyone know sata? and is it possible to partition one sata to the size of a external sata  and raid them?
[18:47] <quantibility> where can i go to learn the ubuntun - xununtu scripting language
[18:47] <quantibility> vim
[18:47] <quantibility> i know that
[18:48] <quantibility> but i need like some tutorials
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> There are tons of scripting languages, the default is bash (Bourne Again Shell)
[18:49] <quantibility> yeah but i don't know the process of going of iniatiating
[18:49] <quantibility> documention is what im looking for then
[18:49] <quantibility> is what im really saying
[18:50] <quantibility> documention on bash besides the man command
[18:51] <genii> !cli
[18:51] <genii> Hm
[18:51] <genii> !shell
[18:51] <genii> There we go.
[18:52] <brainwash> quantibility: I recommend joining #bash
[18:52] <quantibility> ugh, lol alright
[18:52] <genii> The tldb tutorials are also very good.
[18:52] <genii> tldp rather
[18:57] <Guido1> hello, i have a computer with 1210 MHz and 1,7 GB RAM. I want to watch some movies with it from either an USB stick or local network. In the moment I have ubuntu 10.04 with VLC and it works fine until films have a size of 1 GB or more. What can I do so that I can watch bigger movies? I thought about a different linux.
[18:59] <quantibility> one more thing how, i turn of the most anoyin feature of being a window to focus when by accidently hit the scroll feature area of my touch pad...
[18:59] <quantibility> off
[18:59] <quantibility> without turning off the scroll feature
[19:01] <quantibility> being  = bringing
[19:09] <brainwash> quantibility: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/preferences#focus
[19:09] <brainwash> last check box
[19:09] <brainwash> (maybe)
[20:41] <havarka> hi
[20:45] <quantibility> eh ello?