[00:29] <ejay> whats the shortcut to enable menu in okular?
[00:51] <bprompt> ejay: ctrl-m usually, on most apps
[01:59] <patte> hello, this is patte from italy [kubuntu 15.10], can i have little tip from you?
[01:59] <patte> if is possible, of course
[02:03] <patte> hei, is anyone here?
[02:03] <patte> i need only a little help, not for "broke"....
[02:04] <patte> hi Fine
[02:04] <Finetundar> hi patte
[02:04] <patte> sorry i need a little help
[02:04] <patte> can you?
[02:04] <patte> it's for modding my desktop kde5
[02:04] <Finetundar> patte: I can try
[02:05] <patte> i need to change size of icons, and spacing
[02:05] <patte> i use kubuntu 15.10
[02:05] <patte> on the desktop
[02:06] <Finetundar> hmm, one sec
[02:06] <patte> maybe is possible change from txt file?
[02:07] <Finetundar> ok, can you go to your system settings?
[02:14] <denza242> patte: spacing of the icons?
[02:14] <patte> yes
[02:15] <patte> maybe size etc etc...
[02:17] <patte> maybe a config file... or a program like gnome dconf
[02:17] <patte> just for modding my desktop like a n00b :-) (i'm n00b heheheh)
[02:18] <Finetundar> patte: there are options for it in the system settings menu
[02:19] <patte> for spacing of desktop icons? sure?
[02:19] <patte> i can't find looool
[02:20] <Finetundar> patte: well, I may be wrong, problem is all I have to go on right now is KDE 4. BUT if nothing more than the visual style changed then it should be the same
[02:21] <patte> aaaa ok, thanks :-) i have the 5... and when i go on settings i can change all but not on the desktop...
[02:21] <Finetundar> patte: for 4 it's System Settings--->Application Apperence---->icons
[02:21] <Finetundar> --->advanced
[02:22] <patte> yep i'm in, but, for desktop icons i have no possibilityes of change
[02:22] <Finetundar> patte: you can't even change the size?
[02:23] <patte> for all, i can set, dimension and animations, but for the desktop i can't... :__(
[02:23] <Finetundar> There's no desktop section?
[02:24] <patte> desktop section is there, but i can't clik with the mouse on dimension etc...
[02:24] <patte> like without permission
[02:24] <Finetundar> ?
[02:24] <patte> i try with admin permission, but... not way...
[02:24] <patte> soo i'm here for find another street :-)
[02:25] <patte> maybe config file... or other...
[02:25] <patte> way not street
[02:25] <patte> street is like italian ehhehe
[02:25] <Finetundar> no option to use admin, or no was as in you WON't use admin?
[02:26] <patte> yes, i have option modificable for all pc, but not for the desktop inteface heheh
[02:26] <Finetundar> give me a few, I'm gonna make a VM real quick
[02:27] <Finetundar> Just need to DL the ISO
[02:28] <patte> ok thanks for help
[02:28] <Finetundar> No problem
[02:37] <Finetundar> or ya know, vbox will decide not to work
[02:45] <patte> hahahha no problem, good night
[02:45] <patte> i go to bed
[02:45] <patte> see you and thanks for trying :-)
[02:45] <Finetundar> patte: night
[06:55] <kernelcruncher> is there an alternative to wodim in k3b, in another distro I use cdrecord which gives better behaviour
[09:39] <allon> Hi
[09:39] <allon> I have a problem with krunner and can not find the solution in internet
[09:39] <allon> I installed qtcreator
[09:40] <allon> I can start it clicking on K + typing qtcreator in the research bar
[09:40] <allon> but it does not appear when I type qtcreator in krunner (alt - f)
[09:40] <allon> f2
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <allon> good morning
[09:58] <lordievader> Hey allon, how are you doing?
[09:58] <allon> lordievader: find and you?
[09:59] <lordievader> Doing good. Coffee is on its way :)
[10:00] <allon> here it is nearly luch time :)
[10:00] <allon> lunch
[10:06] <excalibr> bonjour allon
[10:21] <allon> Hi
[10:21] <allon> BOnjour
[10:22] <Smurphy> Tcho. Ils vont tres rapidement raler ici, si on parle francais ... Tu parles aussi anglais, utilise ca alors :)
[10:24] <allon> I wonder how excalibr foud out I am french
[10:25] <allon> when I speak it no doubt accent is there but I did not know you can see it when I write it :)
[10:26] <excalibr> Not sure if this is good idea. I have kubuntu-ci ppa enabled and had some updates installed from it. Now I disabled the ppa and added kubuntu-backports ppa. And now Im about to install some updates from it. Should I expect a major disastar from doing this?
[10:26] <lordievader> allon: 'abo.wanadoo.fr' says enough?
[10:27] <allon> hehe :)
[10:27] <allon> it does indeed
[10:28] <allon> any idea about how to update krunner?
[10:28] <allon> I can start my programms from the K command but not from Krunner
[10:30] <excalibr> try kill it then give it a restart
[10:32] <excalibr> I always thought it uses the same cache of apps list that apps launcher uses
[10:32] <allon> I thougth too
[10:35] <Smurphy> It is the: BOnjour - that gave you away.
[10:36] <foormea> allon: does it just not show in the suggestions, or does it do nothing when you press enter?
[10:36] <allon> the bonjour came after :)
[10:36] <allon> it does not show in suggestion
[10:36] <allon> I try to enter
[10:36] <Smurphy> allon: You could eventually also delete the cache content. Cause that fixed quite some issues on my Upgrade (from 15.04 to 15.10)
[10:37] <allon> I killed krunner and rerunned it no success
[10:38] <allon> when I press enter after qtcreator it does open installation.txt
[10:38] <allon> can you tell me where is this cache?
[10:39] <Smurphy> allon: Don't remember. I remember that I had removed it.
[10:39] <Smurphy> Hold on - checking.
[10:39] <Smurphy> cd ~/.cache
[10:39] <Smurphy> there is even a krunner entry :)
[10:40] <Smurphy> I had deleted the plasmashell stuff.
[10:42] <allon> you mean that in ./chache directory there is a krunner directory?
[10:44] <Smurphy> in mine - there is, yes.
[10:45] <Smurphy> If you did upgrade your system, I would eventually also wipe the .cache directory content entirely.
[10:45] <allon> I did a fresh install from the lts
[10:45] <Smurphy> fresh install from lts ?
[10:45] <allon> from the 14.04
[10:45] <Smurphy> fresh install means formatted etc.
[10:45] <allon> yes
[10:45] <Smurphy> So - this is an upgrade.
[10:46] <allon> upgrade is not when you are in a 10.04 for exemple and click on upgrade my system?
[10:46] <Smurphy> How does that work. You would have required to start a live OS/CD, then format it.
[10:46] <Smurphy> you clicked on: Upgrade from 14.04 ?
[10:46] <allon> no :)
[10:46] <allon> I am not clear
[10:46] <Smurphy> You are still in 14.04 ? or 15.10 ?
[10:47] <allon> 14.04
[10:47] <allon> because it last 3 years
[10:47] <Smurphy> Ok. So - that is different then.
[10:47] <Smurphy> I don't have a 14.04 LTS system anymore.
[10:48] <Smurphy> Make a "lsb_release -d" please
[10:48] <allon> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[10:51] <Smurphy> ok. the it is Ok. I suspect krunner is still on KDE4, hence I can't check here. You will have to wait until someone has it installed to compare.
[10:52] <allon> works !!!!
[10:52] <Smurphy> What - removing the cache ?
[10:52] <allon> I went into /var/tmp/kdecache-<myusername>
[10:52] <Smurphy> and you removed the krunner stuff ?
[10:52] <allon> deleted my cache
[10:53] <allon> and yes it does work
[10:53] <allon> yes
[10:53] <Smurphy> Cool. Ok - going back top my basement, got a drone top finish :)
[10:53] <allon> thanks a lot for your help
[10:53] <allon> going back to my toomorow timetable :(
[10:53] <Smurphy> np :}
[14:43] <ashledombos> Hi, I guess «it's the last kubuntu ever» is FUD, isn't it? :)
[14:46] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: FUD?
[14:51] <ashledombos> hazamonzo: well the articles that were written afetr announce from Jonathan Riddell
[14:53] <hazamonzo> Ahh thats a shame
[14:55] <yofel> uhm, could people please stop paying attention to those? Jonathan is gone, yes. Kubuntu might not be quite the same as it was in the future, yes. But there's no intention of discontinuing it completely.
[14:57] <ashledombos> good, i'm asking as I switched very recently to kubuntu after hesitating with other kde centrist distros
[14:57] <ashledombos> so I'm not very aware of all the past of kubuntu
[15:00] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I've been using Kubuntu for many years. I love it :)
[15:00] <hazamonzo> And 15.10 is looking great at the moment
[15:03] <soee> so 16.04 will be even better
[15:03] <soee> with Plasma 5.5 etc. :)
[15:03] <hazamonzo> Its all looking very pretty these days
[15:04] <ashledombos> indeed
[15:05] <ashledombos> my choice went to kubuntu as it seems to be the closest to kde vanilla and teh most beautiful too :)
[15:05] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I just wanted a classic taskbar. I wasn't a huge fan of the Ubuntu UI
[15:05] <ashledombos> i guess i need to say Plasma now, old habits
[15:05] <hazamonzo> And the useful desktop widgets like pastebin
[15:07] <ashledombos> yes, though you can install some widget in unity doing the same stuff
[15:07] <ashledombos> but it's not straightforward
[15:08] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I installed a ubuntu VM a while back and the vm wasn't too powerful. By default ubuntu (unity) had all these desktop fading effects that really slowed it all down... I found that i couldn't switch off the effects without a unity tool that i had to install, that in the end didn't actually work. It was slightly annoying
[15:09] <hazamonzo> Also KSnapshot is much better than the ubunut screen capture tool
[15:09] <hazamonzo> These are just small things but they are the reason i stick with Kubuntu
[15:11] <ashledombos> yes you need something like shutter to have more or less the same features :) I agree Plasma is by default much better, especially the «open with»
[15:12] <ashledombos> wich is a pain in all gtk environment
[15:12] <hazamonzo> :)
[15:14] <ashledombos> the transition to flat design is very good too in Plasma 5, I'm discovering it since two days
[15:14] <ashledombos> the «alternatives» in widget is a good surprise
[15:16] <ashledombos> have some crashing widget but I guess some are still fresh
[15:16] <hazamonzo> Alternatives?
[15:18] <ashledombos> yes, when you right click on task bar or «K» menu
[15:18] <ashledombos> for instance
[15:19] <ashledombos> you can switch to ful screen menu… icon tasks etc
[15:20] <ashledombos> without having to nemove a widget and add a new one
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:34] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[15:35] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo, hazamonzo
[15:37] <clivejo> o?
[15:37] <clivejo> o/
[18:11] <CircuitZero> I've been trying to get base mosaic working on my nvidia cards for a while now - what am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/sTtBZUf0
[19:49] <jubo2> I need to move some partitions to a bigger disk
[19:50] <jubo2> Someone mentioned here it can be done with dd
[19:50] <jubo2> but wouldn't Gparted also be useful in that?
[19:54] <jubo2> what happens if I remove the partition marked "boot"?
[19:54] <jubo2> I need to get rid of /dev/sda1
[19:54] <jubo2> it's an old broken Kubuntu
[22:01] <wuschLOR> hi there just a fix question I'm starting tu use akonadi - for mails (working) but I'm not sure where do integrate the smtp ?
[22:01] <wuschLOR> any help here ?
[22:04] <keithzg_> Sad that 15.10 still doesn't fix my lack of VTs on my main PC :(
[22:04] <valorie> wuschLOR: integrate the smtp>
[22:04] <valorie> ?
[22:04] <valorie> are you talking about setting up kmail?
[22:05] <valorie> if so, #kontact might be better
[22:05] <valorie> keithzg_: how many do you need?
[22:05] <keithzg_> valorie: "Any" would be nice :P
[22:05]  * valorie happily uses yakuake
[22:05] <wuschLOR> valorie: the question is do i have to add it to akonadi or to kmail
[22:05] <Unit193> keithzg_: Didn't I help you fix this?
[22:05] <valorie> wuschLOR: to kmail
[22:05] <keithzg_> valorie: You helped me try to, never actually worked :(
[22:05] <valorie> ?
[22:06] <wuschLOR> I just saw im using kontact
[22:06] <valorie> wuschLOR: kmail is one part of Kontact, yeah
[22:06] <valorie> yakuake doesn't work for you?
[22:06] <valorie> horrors
[22:06] <keithzg_> valorie: Oh, no, yakuake works fine.
[22:06] <valorie> ok
[22:06] <valorie> whew
[22:07] <valorie> my son insists on konsole, which is fine
[22:07] <valorie> or.... are you talking the alt+f2, 3, 4 etc? VTs
[22:08] <keithzg_> valorie: Yakuake's undeniably my #1 used application, heh, has been for years. Yeah my problem is on my one machine since the 15.04 upgrade I haven't been able to ex. ctrl-alt-f1 and get a terminal, which is fairly useful when a fullscreen game locks up, plasma crashes and doesn't restart, etc.
[22:08] <valorie> because that seems a bit buggy at times here too
[22:08] <valorie> alt+f1 doesn't work
[22:09] <Unit193> keithzg_: sudo ln -sf<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>&& sudo systemctl start<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then try switching to tty1?
[22:09] <valorie> err, now it does, but immediately fills with error messages
[22:09] <Unit193> I did that and it worked like a charm.
[22:10] <valorie> all of them immediately fill with error messages for me
[22:10] <valorie> errr, alt+ctl+f1 I meant
[22:11] <valorie> must ingest moar coffee
[22:11] <keithzg_> valorie: Yup, I gotcha :) Hmm. I'll have to reboot this machine to try that (was trying to see if it'd work under upstart). I wonder how I'll do that . . .
[22:11] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F1, right.  Well sometimes TTY1 does have some output from boot, I tend to favor TTY3 personally (I have the journel output on 12.)
[22:12] <Unit193> Hah, well yeah, that won't affect upstart. :D
[22:13] <keithzg_> Unit193: Worse, if you boot under upstart with 15.10, it appears that the GUI buttons in SDDM don't actually work for restarting! It does the countdown . . . and the countdown keeps going once it hits zero, then -1, then -2 . . .
[22:13] <Unit193> keithzg_: Ahaha!  That's pretty awesome. :D
[22:13] <Unit193> Wait, do you have systemd-shim installed?
[22:14] <keithzg_> Unit193: Appears that I do on that machine.
[22:15] <wuschLOR> valorie: hmm ... dosn't realy work - think I try it tomorrow when I'm not sleepy
[22:15] <Unit193> OK, in *theory* it should work with -shim installed.
[22:15] <keithzg_> Unit193: I do swear it worked a while back, this is the first time I tried it on 15.10 though.
[22:16] <keithzg_> valorie: Yeah sadly I still just get a blank screen on tty1.
[22:16] <valorie> wuschLOR: for kmail etc. questions, #kontact is the best place to ask
[22:16] <valorie> keithzg_: ewww
[22:16] <wuschLOR> ah ok
[22:16] <Unit193> keithzg_: Huh, worked for me where it didn't before.
[22:16] <wuschLOR> ty
[22:16] <valorie> although I'm not sure my screen full of error messages is better
[22:16] <wuschLOR> excelent lets hope i wont need it
[22:16] <keithzg_> heh
[22:17] <wuschLOR> never thougt it would be so hard to send letters now that getting them is so easy
[22:17] <Unit193> keithzg_: What about manually starting it on tty1?
[22:18] <Unit193> keithzg_: Or perhaps before doing that, show me sudo systemctl status<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <keithzg_> Unit193: Claims all is well: https://paste.kde.org/pj9s1xreo
[22:21] <keithzg_> Although . . . there's no /usr/lib/systemd/system/ ?
[22:21] <Unit193> /lib/systemd/system/
[22:23] <keithzg_> Ah, right, was looking at the wrong of the two paths.
[22:24] <keithzg_> Still, I can't see how the service *would* be working since it's a symlink pointed towards<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which doesn't exist?
[22:25]  * keithzg_ grabs valorie some coffee ;)
[22:26]  * Unit193 has been wondering if keithzg_ is having brain segfaults.
[22:27] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/px4pys7x0 is mine, Unit193
[22:27] <valorie> thanks for the coffee keithzg_!
[22:28] <valorie> gotta rake some more leaves before the sun sets here, though
[22:28] <keithzg_> valorie: You still had leaves to rake up?
[22:29]  * keithzg_ and his northern climate are jealous
[22:31] <valorie> I'm taking the last of the neighbor's big-leaf maple leaves
[22:31] <valorie> my own sparse leaves are where they should be, on the beds
[22:31] <keithzg_> valorie: Ah, I see I see
[22:31] <valorie> but the bare ones get the maple leaves this year
[22:32] <valorie> courtesy of my cold hands and feet out raking in freezing weather
[22:32] <valorie> should have done it before it rained, when I could have just mowed them with the power mower
[22:32] <valorie> but no, lacked the time back then
[22:33] <keithzg_> Ah yes, the perpetual and invariably ironic problem of lacking the time to do things the easier way until it's too late!
[22:34] <keithzg_> Unit193: Correcting the symlink and restarting that service seems to have accomplished nothing, alas. I'm a bit unclear here why "systemctl status" reported all was well despite the symlink being bogus.
[22:35] <keithzg_> Interestingly enough, although the systemctl output is nearly identical, using the classic service $servicename status adds this line to the output: "Nov 22 15:30:43 district agetty[3161]: /dev/tty1.service: No such file or directory".
[22:35] <keithzg_> But I guess that's just the difference between formulations. Maybe my brain *is* segfaulting ;)
[22:42]  * keithzg_ is very much not a fan of things where no matter what's broken or what changes are made to fix it, the logs still all report the same blasé assurances :P
[23:16] <Unit193> keithzg_: Weird, evening having the symlink wrong still seems to run the service. 0_o
[23:16] <Unit193> I had forgotten to correct that when I added that for my own, and ps shows all 3 running already.
[23:18] <bprompt> hmm
[23:25] <Unit193> keithzg_: I think we can agree that systemd is doing some form of voodoo here, but yeah corrected those links.
[23:33] <Unit193> keithzg_: You still with me kermit?


[00:17] <BartDev> anyone here?
[00:17] <BartDev> how can I fix bad sectors on a disk from the CLI?
[00:30] <gidimanunaki> Um... fsck?
[00:34] <BartDev> ok and that will actually help me fix the bad sectors
[00:43] <mhall119> it won't actually fix them, it'll just mark them not to be used
[01:26] <BartDev> ok thanks
[01:59] <marine1> -what up fellas
[14:03] <ljloverrj> hi
[14:04] <ljloverrj> can you tell me a program for listing services in ubuntu
[21:52] <shadowchaser> hello zoopster I just wanted to tell you thanks for the help the other day really helped me out


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <geser> good morning
[08:33] <murthy> geser: any debina/ubuntu packager active here that you know?\
[08:33] <murthy> geser:  herwig++ geser FTBFS
[09:02] <geser> murthy: Hi, there are some active (more or less, depending on their available time and interests) packagers
[09:02] <murthy> geser: I can takecare of time, can you refer some ?
[09:04] <geser> for what do you need one?
[09:07] <geser> what kind of package?
[09:37] <wzssyqa> Any one can help to process this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/wordnet/+bug/305407
[09:38] <wzssyqa> the patch can found in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700914
[12:19] <kumar_jith> i would like to know about writing device driver using dkms and how to package it in a deb package ?
[12:20] <kumar_jith> hi
[14:31] <ESphynx> 'morning :)
[14:54] <geser> afternoon ESphynx :)
[15:05] <ESphynx> 'afternoon :)
[15:33] <murthy> geser: about the requirement of any packagers/developers of debian/ubuntu , the package in question is herwig++, its a scientific one
[15:36] <geser> murthy: I don't know right of top of my head someone who is specially interested in scientific packages
[15:36] <murthy> geser: :)
[15:37] <geser> if it's about the armhf FTBFS, I don't know which channel the armhf porters hand around
[15:41] <mitya57> dholbach: so I've played a bit, but I can't reproduce that segfault at all, and I also don't think it's caused by changes in that upload
[15:42] <dholbach> mitya57, I don't know either :-/
[15:43] <mitya57> dholbach: do you have an sbuild setup or something similar to what launchpad uses? (I haven't managed to get wgrant's chroot working)
[15:43] <dholbach> no
[15:43] <mitya57> maybe you can try to retry that build once more? :)
[15:44] <mitya57> I remember pitti was retrying his glib builds 5 times or like that
[15:45] <mitya57> I've already said that I don't like jstest code (which uses deprecated static gobject/gtk/webkit bindings), maybe it is the issue
[15:46] <mitya57> if the retry doesn't help, I can try to disable jstests
[15:47] <mitya57> dholbach: thanks for fixing the packaging-guide issue btw (I still don't understand why that happened)
[15:48] <dholbach> mitya57, no worrries - that was easy enough to do
[15:48] <dholbach> retrying
[15:48] <dholbach> done
[15:48] <mitya57> dholbach: thanks
[15:48] <dholbach> anytime
[15:49] <mitya57> yay, 10 minutes remaining before the fun happens
[15:54] <dholbach> mitya57, looks good :)
[15:54] <mitya57> dholbach: it built! \o/
[15:54] <dholbach> yeeehaw
[20:49] <bobweaver> hello there say I want to push a proposed merged from the command line.  with bzr to the branch called  lp:ubuntu/foo  what is command to do that ?  bzr propose-merdge lp:~<my LP Name >/ubuntu/foo    ?
[22:57] <ESphynx> 64 bit support coming along nicely =)
[22:58] <ESphynx> Hoping it will make it into Raring ;P


[00:13] <lifeless> spiv: what about
[00:13] <lifeless> def unlock(exc_info=None)
[00:14] <spiv> lifeless: that still requires the caller to do most of the work
[00:15] <spiv> lifeless: to correctly set exc_info you still need a "try: foo(); except: exc_info=sys.exc_info() ... yadda yadda"
[00:20] <spiv> lifeless: there's just no way around the fact that Python gives you no way to determine from a finally block if an except was being raised.
[00:20] <spiv> lifeless: here's the problem in a nutshell: http://rafb.net/p/wy3M5l13.html
[00:22] <spiv> Well, there is one way that might mostly work: introspecting the traceback object to see if the top of the stack is where you expect, i.e. a line inside the relevant try block in the current function.
[00:23] <spiv> Except that could also fail in edge cases, and would be ugly as hell.
[00:23] <spiv> Shorter summary: Python sucks.
[00:23] <lifeless> when was try:finally:except: added?
[00:24] <spiv> try-except and try-finally have been in there since I started using Python.  Or are you asking about a single try with both except and finally?
[00:25] <lifeless> the latter
[00:25]  * jml needs to fix bzr-removable to work with split trees
[00:26] <spiv> 2.5.
[00:58] <meoblast001> hi
[00:58] <meoblast001> how do i download the latest version of a branch?
[01:00] <jml> meoblast001: do you already have a copy of the branch?
[01:00] <meoblast001> yeah
[01:00] <meoblast001> i just want to update it
[01:00] <meoblast001> with the new stuff from launchpad
[01:00] <jml> meoblast001: cd into it and 'bzr pull'
[01:00] <meoblast001> how do i cd into it
[01:00] <meoblast001> like.. the local folder?
[01:00] <jml> meoblast001: that's right.
[01:01] <meoblast001> ok
[01:01] <meoblast001> im downloading it
[01:01] <meoblast001> thanx
[01:01] <meoblast001> just downloading a project of someone i know to see how much it has advanced
[01:02] <jml> cool.
[01:02] <meoblast001> i dont think he's been commiting changes =P
[01:03] <meoblast001> yay... now to worry about the advancement (or lack thereof) of my own project
[01:03] <jml> meoblast001: :)
[01:03] <jml> meoblast001: you can get a fairly good idea of a branch's activity by looking at its web page on Launchpad, btw.
[01:03] <meoblast001> yeah
[01:04] <meoblast001> im thinking about posting my project in Crystal Space forums in the Projects section so maybe someone will come along and help me
[01:04] <meoblast001> i only have 2 ppl on my team
[01:04] <meoblast001> and im the only programmer
[01:04] <ferringb> meoblast001: project being?
[01:05] <ferringb> just curious, haven't heard activity crystal space wise in a long while
[01:05] <meoblast001> its a racing game im making with CS
[01:05] <meoblast001> the game is very crappy so far cuz im the only programmer and i dont have enough time nor experience to write a whole game all on my own
[01:06] <meoblast001> im doing as much as i can and relying on lots of support from #crystalspace
[01:07] <meoblast001> ferringb: heres the Launchpad site https://launchpad.net/nickybearracing
[01:07] <meoblast001> launchpad page rather
[01:07] <meoblast001> i have it precompiled for x86 systems
[01:08] <jml> meoblast001: btw, if you set that branch to be the development focus of the project, people will be able to fetch it with 'bzr branch lp:nickybearracing'
[01:08] <meoblast001> oh
[01:08] <meoblast001> i'll do that
[01:12] <meoblast001> jml: done
[01:14] <jml> meoblast001: cool
[01:14] <meoblast001> =)
[01:15]  * spiv ducks out for some errands and early lunch
[01:17]  * meoblast001 hardly considers himself a programmer
[01:27] <lifeless> jml: perhaps the first branch pushed should become the trunk series by default
[01:31] <jml> lifeless: perhaps.
[01:33] <jml> lifeless: I think it should, but I also think that setting a dev focus should set the "This project officially uses Launchpad for code hosting" flag.
[01:34] <lifeless> jml: btw, I find it weird that I have to opt-in to using bugs etc
[01:34] <jml> lifeless: yes, me too.
[01:35] <jml> lifeless: but I've had that discussion wrt to code twice already, and have too many other things on my plate to try again just now.
[01:50] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[01:54] <Peng_> Awesome, a 15 MB autopack.
[01:55] <Peng_> ...over bzr+ssh
[02:27] <meoblast001> ok.. i messed up on a file and i need to pull the old data back
[02:27] <meoblast001> i need to replace everything i have with everything launchpad has... how do i do that?
[02:27] <bob2> messed up = edited but haven't commited?
[02:27] <meoblast001> yes
[02:27] <meoblast001> i didnt commit
[02:28] <bob2> "bzr revert" will remove all local uncommited changes
[02:28] <meoblast001> k thanx
[02:28] <meoblast001> i just suck at programming so bad that i couldnt solve a very simple problem
[02:40] <spiv> lifeless: pong
[03:05] <lifeless> spiv: so
[03:05] <lifeless> spiv: item keys introduced by
[03:08] <spiv> Ah, that old thing.  What about it?
[03:13] <lifeless> fragmented inventories have components that are not strictly introduced by a revision
[03:26] <lifeless> spiv: further, we don't want to copy already present fragments
[03:30] <lifeless> spiv: but we can't predict what fragments are already present unless we know the edge of the local graph I think
[03:31] <lifeless> spiv: my conclusion is that this api needs to get deprecated and a newer one added
[03:31] <lifeless> that has a cut facility
[03:33] <spiv> lifeless: that'
[03:34] <spiv> s a bit abstract to me.  It sounds plausible, but maybe the simplest thing is to describe the API you're thinking of replacing it with?
[03:35] <lifeless> add a new parameter that lists the surface of revisions we have [that are relevant]
[06:10] <poolie> spiv, hey good catch with the default arguments
[06:10] <poolie> omgpython
[06:15] <spiv> poolie: hooray for code review :)
[06:21] <spiv> abentley: would you mind adding<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to bundlebuggy as an authorised email address?  (I think it currently expects just andrew@)
[06:28] <poolie> your'e right that making it a parameter is a yagni
[06:43] <spiv> poolie: oh good.  That makes the solution uncontroversial :)
[06:47] <vila> hi all
[07:12] <vila> poolie: ping ?
[07:21] <spiv> vila: oh of course, it's daylight savings here now, so you're turning up an hour later :)
[07:21] <spiv> vila: hi :)
[07:21]  * spiv is about to disappear and go to a yoga class
[07:21] <vila> spiv: oh, since when ?
[07:21] <spiv> Since last weekend.
[07:22] <vila> Haaa, and it's 17:21 your time ?
[07:22] <spiv> Right.
[07:22] <vila> ok
[07:22] <vila> So *you* are leaving one hour earlier :)
[07:22] <spiv> So when you say hello it's time for me to finishing things up for the day :)
[07:23] <vila> Yeah, we should all work at least 13h/day so we can say hi/bye every day :)
[07:24] <spiv> Hah.
[07:25] <spiv> Although it often seems like that's what lifeless does :)
[07:25] <spiv> Thinking of which...
[07:25]  * spiv -> gone!
[09:00] <poolie> markh, are you still around at all? is it hard or easy to make the windows python-based installers?
[09:04] <RAOF> Is my google-fu weak, or is there little documentation about setting up a PQM instance available?
[10:07] <Kinnison> IME, very little
[10:07] <Kinnison> Although I thought there was a GSoC student working on PQM, so perhaps he produced some?
[10:21] <RAOF> Kinnison: That's kinda annoying.  Maybe I'll just wait for Launchpad to grow a PQM instance for me :/
[10:22] <RAOF> Heh.  Or I'll bug Rob & Jono mercilessly!
[11:12] <eMBee> a group, and then make files readable by that group
[11:12] <eMBee> ooops
[11:15] <hno> Hmm... something is fishy in bzr 1.7.1. Running 1.7.1 both on cliend and server, and after a relatively small remote change "bzr update" suddenly downloaded 11 MB of data. Total remote repository size is 70 MB and increased by some KB only since the last bzr update..
[11:26] <spiv> hno: if it's via bzr:// or bzr+ssh://, try using -Dhpss next time and see if the ~/.bzr.log file gives more info about what's going on.
[11:26] <hno> spiv: It's bzr+ssh
[11:26] <spiv> hno: my guess is that it's fetching most of the remote index files (how big is .bzr/repository/indices?) for some reason
[11:27] <spiv> hno: if so, then there are various improvements planned that should help that.
[11:27] <hno> indicies is a total of 7 MB.
[11:33] <Peng_> It's dumb enough to use 11 MB of bandwidth for 7 MB of indexes plus everything else.
[11:37] <hno> I don't get why it at all need to fetch the index files in a bzr update.. There is no local modifications and the local head is an ancestor of the remote head. Better to just ask for a bundle from the local head revision to current head of the remote branch.
[11:39] <Peng_> It may be using the indexes to find out which revisions such a bundle would include.
[11:54] <hno> Peng_: Well, it could do this optimistically by first asking based on the local revision.. or keep track of which revision that was last updated/merged.. But that's my outside view. I don't really know how deep checks bzr needs to do to find a common ancestor.. maybe revision number (the long version) isn't sufficient.
[11:56] <hno> or revision-id which is the more proper term..
[11:56] <Peng_> Right. I'm sure it can (and does) do it more efficiently than that. I was just saying.
[11:57] <Peng_> If it's reproducable, use -Dhpps like he suggested to help diagnose it.
[11:58] <hno> Peng_: Will try to reproduce it. At the moment both my local repositories have already updated.
[12:07] <spiv> hno: there are several known inefficiencies.  Ideally it should be a matter of finding out what the remote revision is with a single round-trip, finding out how much is missing from the local repo with a couple of quick round trips, and then requesting those revisions in a single stream.
[12:07] <spiv> hno: there's various reasons why that's not quite the case at the moment, but we're working on it.
[12:08] <BjornW> hi, what would be the bzr equivalent of: svn export --force [SOURCE] [DESTINATION]
[12:08] <hno> spiv: Thanks.
[12:10] <spiv> BjornW: "bzr export SOURCE DESTINATION" probably.
[12:10] <spiv> I'm not sure what effect --force has on svn export.
[12:11] <BjornW> spiv: it will overwite exisiting exports
[12:11] <BjornW> spiv: Mhhhm I cannot overwrite an export with bzr?
[12:12] <spiv> Hmm, it may be "bzr export DESTINATION SOURCE", actually.  Check the docs :
[12:12] <spiv> :)
[12:13] <spiv> Hmm, doesn't look like it.  You could export to a tar file and then let tar do the overwriting.
[12:13] <hno> Hmm.. almost could reproduce it. Created a new repository with a branch some revisions back, and then did a bzr pull from the remote. But it fetched "only" 4MB this time.
[12:13] <spiv> BjornW: it would be a reasonable feature to add, I think.  File a bug.
[12:14] <BjornW> spiv: will do, thanks for your help
[12:29] <abentley> spiv: done
[12:33] <hno> Indeed. There is lots of index accesses.
[12:34] <Elvanor> Hello, I am searching for a VCS with the following features: 1) deal correctly with binary files, 2) limit the total repository file size (by keeping only a limited number of versioned items)
[12:34] <Elvanor> I was told by the git guys to come here...
[12:34] <Elvanor> So can bazaar do what I need?
[12:35] <Elvanor> all my source code is currently in SVN, I am happy with that, but I want to setup a separate tool for backing up binary files: PDF files, GIMP images
[12:38] <bob2> 1 can be done by everything bar cvs
[12:38] <spiv> abentley: thanks!
[12:48] <Elvanor> bob2: yes but 2) is harder
[12:49] <Peng_> You mean throwing out old history?
[12:59] <Elvanor> Peng_: yes
[12:59] <Elvanor> automatically, if possible
[13:02] <Peng_> Yeah...not so possible with bzr.
[13:02] <Peng_> (I mean, it is /possible/, with tons of rebase or something, but it's not intended or efficient.)
[13:07] <Elvanor> Peng_: do you any other system allowing this easily?
[13:07] <Elvanor> git people told me it would be easy with bazaar
[13:15] <Peng_> I wonder why the git people thought that?
[13:16] <james_w> you can just delete the old revisions and leave ghosts in the mainline I guess
[13:17] <Elvanor> Peng_: someone said: well, do check out bzr, it can certainly prune more easily as its commit IDs are just UUIDs
[13:27] <Peng_> james_w: That's safe?
[13:27] <Elvanor> Maybe what I need is more a backup system... but I want the ability to share files between users with locks, commits etc
[13:28] <Peng_> james_w: But won't it need them to reconstruct stuff?
[13:29] <Peng_> Elvanor: Oh. That git user is correct. Part of bzr's design does theoretically make it easier to mutate history, at least in some ways.
[13:29] <Peng_> (But it does hash at least some things too, and what would it do if it came across two differing revisions with the same ID?)
[13:29] <james_w> Peng_: yeah, just deleting it isn't safe, but it's possible
[13:30] <Peng_> (Which doesn't apply to mainline ghosts, which would work,  Iguess.)
[13:31]  * Peng_ dies of parenthesis abuse.
[14:29] <Lieven1> does anyone know from where I can get the latest source code of tortoisebzr?
[14:30] <Lieven1> I tried lp:tortoisebzr, but it seems to be really outdated
[14:34] <jelmer> hi Lieven1
[14:34] <jelmer> markh, ^
[14:35] <jelmer> Lieven1, I think tortoise is part of bzr.dev now, but I'm not entirely sure
[14:39] <Lieven1> I don't think it is, or at least, I can't find it
[15:26] <CardinalFang> Hi all.  My group uses a very large bzr tree, and we often try to speed up our actions by branching two trees at the same time or pushing two or more trees at the same time.  I don't have specifics right now.  For branching or updating, we sometimes get index-file-missing errors, and when pushing one of the pushes hangs.  I suspect that there's some shared-repo data that isn't locked correctly, locally or remotely.  I don't have
[15:26] <CardinalFang> enough to file a bug, yet, but I just want to remark about it in case someone has a flash of insight.
[15:27] <CardinalFang> Expect a full bug or two filed in a week or so.
[16:32] <jam> CardinalFang: bug #153786 most likely
[16:33] <CardinalFang> hmm.
[16:40] <ccxCZ> Hi, does file id change when it's moved renamed?
[17:20] <Peng_> ccxCZ: no
[17:20] <Peng_> ccxCZ: That's the point of file IDs. :P
[18:00] <pekuja> is it possible/viable to host a bazaar repo on a server with no bazaar installed?
[18:01] <cody-somerville> pekuja, sure
[18:01] <pekuja> the idea is to have a repo in the public_html of my shell account so that I can push through ssh and others can pull through dumb http
[18:02] <pekuja> so should I basically do a clone of my repo on my local machine and copy it over to the server? should something like that work?
[18:03] <pekuja> sorry if this is really obvious. I'm reading the user guide but I'm kinda tired tonight :-/
[18:03] <cody-somerville> pekuja, just do a bzr push via the sftp transport layer
[18:03] <pekuja> that will create the clone?
[18:03] <cody-somerville> yup
[18:03] <pekuja> cool, that sounds super easy
[18:04] <cody-somerville> pekuja, it is :)
[18:04] <cody-somerville> pekuja, you can also use launchpad for hosting your branches if you'd like
[18:06] <pekuja> oh, right... I guess that's an option. it's not really a project of any public interest though. just using the vcs for coding a university course project type thing
[18:11] <fynn> Hi. Suppose I took a .bzr directory renamed it to "foo", and moved it to ~/bar. is there a way to recreate all the monitored from "foo" without changing its name to .bzr?
[18:12] <fynn> (I could rename it to .bzr and do "bzr revert", but I'm wondering if there's a solution without the rename stage.)
[18:13] <cody-somerville> fynn, What are you *really* trying to accomplish?
[18:14] <fynn> cody-somerville: I'm backing up file trees by making them into Bazaar branches, then archiving the root .bzr directory.
[18:14] <fynn> cody-somerville: right now, the final stage of a restore involves a "rename the 'backup' directory to '.bzr'" step.
[18:15] <james_w> fynn: it may be possible with some python
[18:15] <fynn> I was hoping to eliminate that step, so as to make the process more elegant.
[18:15] <fynn> james_w: OK, thanks. I might hack that then.
[18:15] <james_w> fynn: but no, it's not just an environment variable or command line switch or anything
[18:15] <fynn> *nod*
[18:16] <fynn> also, as a bzr newbie, just to make sure:
[18:16] <fynn> james_w, cody-somerville: do any of you guys see a problem with using bzr for (version-controlled) backups in that way?
[18:17] <fynn> e.g. could I possibly encounter any issue with restoring a perfect copy from such a backup?
[18:17] <james_w> I don't think so
[18:18] <fynn> alright... btw, if I have a source tree ~/foo, and I make it into a Bazaar branch (with "bzr init; bzr add; bzr ci"), the *only* change to ~/foo is the creation of ~/foo/.bzr, and the directories/files under it?
[18:19] <james_w> yup
[18:19] <james_w> .bzrignore if you do "bzr ignore something"
[18:21] <fynn> james_w: so outside of the creation of ~/foo/.bzr and ~/foo/.bzrignore themselves, any further VCS work, no matter how many subdirectories and files are monitored beneath ~/foo, and no matter how many of them I choose to ignore, will only happen inside ~/foo/.bzr and ~/foo/.bzrignore themselves?
[18:21] <james_w> yup
[18:22] <fynn> james_w: thanks a lot. that's such a relief after .svn creating itself in _every monitored subdirectory_.
[18:22] <fynn> looks like my new backup scheme with bzr is viable.
[18:43] <fynn> OK, something I don't get: inside the branch ~/foo I have a file ~/foo/bar.py that I now want to ignore.
[18:43] <fynn> but commanding "bzr ignore bar.py" issues a warning about it already being monitored, and doesn't ignore it.
[18:43] <fynn> so how should it be done?
[18:44] <fullermd> Ignore doesn't unversion a file that's already versioned; it just prevents 'add' from automatically adding it (and 'status' showing it unknown, etc)
[18:44] <fullermd> You'll have to use bzr rm to unversion it.
[18:44] <fullermd> (possibly with --keep of course)
[18:46] <fynn> fullermd: I see, thanks.
[18:46] <fynn> --keep is nice.
[18:46] <fullermd> I have it aliased to be the standard 'bzr rm' behavior.
[19:08] <fynn> fullermd: apropos aliases: is there a way to make "bzr st -SV" the default behavior of "bzr st"?
[19:09] <fynn> i.e. set a persistent configuration setting that would implicitly add the -SV flags to every "bzr st" command?
[19:10] <fullermd> You could just alias st to 'stat -SV'
[19:18] <fynn> yeah, I guess that's the best solution.
[19:23] <fullermd> Well, I've got rm aliased to rm --keep, and missing aliased to missing --line and such   :p
[19:36] <fynn> fullermd: "aliased" as in bash alias, right?
[19:36] <fullermd> No, bzr alias.
[19:36] <fullermd> bzr help alias
[19:37] <fynn> bzr: ERROR: No help could be found for 'alias'. Please use 'bzr help topics' to obtain a list of topics.
[19:37] <fullermd> Mmm.  What version do you have?
[19:37] <fynn> 1.5
[19:37] <fullermd> Looks like the 'alias' command came in with 1.6.  They've been supported for ages before that though; you just have to set them manually in the config file.
[19:38] <fynn> cool, thanks.
[19:38] <fullermd> Make an [ALIASES] section in your ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf, and add a line that says "st = stat -SV"
[19:38] <fullermd> There's a wiki page about it I think.
[19:38] <luks> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#using-aliases
[19:38] <fynn> that's what I like so much about bzr: so many features, so convenient.
[19:38] <fynn> and organized quite elegantly too.
[19:40] <abeaumont> hmmm, i have an error with ftp transport and mode, i've seen a bug report and patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/259855 , but i'm still getting the same problem :?
[19:41] <fynn> fullermd, luks: that worked, thanks a bunch.
[19:56] <abeaumont> i also have added a feature to bzr upload plugin, is there any developer of this plugin around?
[19:59] <beuno> abeaumont, yes
[19:59] <beuno> hello
[19:59] <beuno> you can upload the branch
[19:59] <beuno> fle a merge request
[19:59] <beuno> and we'll review it to get it into the tree  :)
[20:00] <fynn> can I have a different bazaar.conf apply to different repos?
[20:01] <abeaumont> beuno: ok, I'll do that
[20:01] <beuno> thanks abeaumont
[20:21] <abeaumont> beuno: done :) i hope i did everything right, otherwise just tell me (i'm new to launchpad)
[20:21] <beuno> abeaumont, did you file the merge request against trunk?
[20:25] <awilkins> Can anyone things of commands that should take siblings in the same way that "switch" does (apart from merge, which is the top of my list)
[20:27] <fullermd> pull?  missing?  push?  diff?  stat?  bind?  reconfigure?  send?
[20:27] <fullermd> Really, pretty much ANYTHING that can refer to a branch.
[20:27] <abeaumont> beuno: oh, no, forgot that
[20:28] <abeaumont> beuno: ok, done
[20:28] <beuno> abeaumont, got it!  will get to it in a few hours.  Many thanks!
[20:29] <abeaumont> beuno: perfect, thanks!
[20:30] <awilkins> !wake aeris
[20:30] <awilkins> Sorry bot
[20:53] <fynn> can I have a different bazaar.conf apply to different repos?
[20:54] <Odd_Bloke> fynn: You might want to look at locations.conf.
[21:00] <fynn> Odd_Bloke: thanks, looks to be just what I was looking for.
[21:31] <spsneo> hey how can I use bzr client behind http proxy?
[21:31] <spsneo> please help
[21:33] <Spaz> magic.
[21:33] <spsneo> Spaz: hey can u help me ?
[21:33] <Spaz> set http_proxy in your environment
[21:33] <spsneo> ya I have already done that
[21:34] <Spaz> http://bazaar-vcs.org/ConfiguringBzr#head-39a4bf80d496af410e013585de6268ca55928d38
[21:34] <Spaz> if it doesn't work, i don't know what to tell you :p
[21:34] <Spaz> sorry
[21:35] <spsneo> Spaz: do u know anybody who would help me
[21:35] <Spaz> spsneo, what is your problem with it
[21:35] <Spaz> if you set http_proxy (export http_proxy="http://proxy.crap.here") then it should work
[21:36] <spsneo> i am trying this : bzr branch lp:inx trunk
[21:36] <Spaz> if not then it sounds like your proxy is either misconfigured or something is broken
[21:36] <Spaz> that is a local operation i believe
[21:36] <spsneo> but it gives a long list of errors
[21:37] <Spaz> hm
[21:37] <Spaz> pastebin them please
[21:37] <spsneo> Spaz: i guess this is the command to get the branch from launchpad
[21:38] <Spaz> hm
[21:38] <spsneo> Spaz: http://pastebin.com/d65492841
[21:38] <Spaz> bzr: ERROR: socket.gaierror: (-5, 'No address associated with hostname') <-- that is all i needed to hear
[21:39] <Spaz> the hostname doesn't resolve.
[21:39] <Spaz> meaning you're using a hostname that is invalid
[21:39] <spsneo> normally what is the method to get a copy of trunk from lp ?
[21:40] <Spaz> spsneo, depends
[21:41] <Spaz> what project do you wish to check out?
[21:41] <spsneo> inx on lp
[21:41] <Spaz> odd...
[21:42] <Spaz> spsneo, it sounds like an issue with your proxy
[21:42] <spsneo> Spaz: I also thought so
[21:44] <spsneo> Spaz: so is there no solution?
[21:46] <Spaz> spsneo, don't use an http proxy
[21:46] <Spaz> spsneo, or fix your http_proxy environmental variable
[21:46] <spsneo> Spaz: I am in an university
[21:46] <Spaz> hm
[21:46] <Spaz> i would bet $10 that your http_proxy variable is set wrong
[21:46] <spsneo> actually I am behind a firewall also
[21:47] <spsneo> hehe no ways
[21:47] <Spaz> export http_proxy="http://proxy.url.org:port" ?
[21:47] <spsneo> svn is working fine
[21:47] <Spaz> is it in that format
[21:47] <Spaz> hm
[21:47] <spsneo> yaya
[21:47] <Spaz> sounds like a possible bug
[21:48] <Spaz> that or your DNS server might be down
[21:48] <Spaz> not much i can do in either case spsneo
[21:48] <spsneo> ya its in the format : http_proxy="http://user:pass@proxy.url.org:port"
[21:48] <Spaz> ah ok
[21:48] <Spaz> is the actual address resolving?
[21:48] <Spaz> run host proxy.url.org or such
[21:48] <spsneo> Spaz: well I am behind a firewall as well which allows only http and https
[21:55] <james_w> bug 186920
[21:55] <james_w> too late
[22:19]  * mwhudson hmms
[22:47]  * mwhudson gruntles
[22:50] <Peng_> ?
[22:57] <mwhudson> Peng: i want to add a keyword parameter to Branch.open/BzrDir.open_branch without breaking all branch implementations
[22:58] <mwhudson> (well, branch format implementations i guess i really mean)
[22:59] <Peng_> Oh
[23:02] <jam> mwhudson: good luck with that
[23:02]  * fullermd would like a pony when you get done with that.
[23:02] <jam> I think you have to create a new api that calls back, if you *really* don't want to break compatibility


[00:09] <gustavo__> ?
[00:11] <Ezros> Hey everyone, can someone help me get my games to work on Kubuntu?
[00:11] <Ezros> O
[00:11] <Ezros> I'm trying to play Heroes of Newerth and it won't load.
[00:11] <Ezros> Well, it loaded once and then it crashed
[00:11] <Ezros> And now it just won't load
[00:11] <Ezros> Super laggy
[00:12] <murky> interprice
[00:13] <murky> 9.10 server on muysql
[00:27] <Ezros> Can someone help me do this: Linux Supp: Also add glxinfo, uname -a, /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( glxinfo | grep -i "opengl\|direct\|server\|client"; lspci | grep -i vga; uname -a for summary)
[00:38] <Cay> Hey guys!
[00:39] <Cay> I just bought a Sony Vaio VPCF127FX and tried slapping ubuntu on it, all was well and file except I couldn't do multi-monitor and my touchpad didn't work. That was till I decided to install the nvidia drivers, now I cannot get video to display on my laptop :(
[00:39] <Cay> hap hap
[01:14] <TN-048> Anyone know of a keyboard status applet that accually works?
[01:22] <H2OyJaBoN> hello!
[01:38] <QpSmiley> I am running Kubuntu 64 bit, how do I install 32bit chrome?
[01:39] <Typos_King> QpSmiley:    I'd think you'd just simply install it the same way any other app :)
[01:40] <QpSmiley> When I get the chrome 32bit .deb package it says wrong architecture i386
[01:40] <QpSmiley> (I'm a linux noobie :D_
[01:42] <Typos_King> do they have a 64bit .deb?
[01:42] <QpSmiley> yes but there is no 64 bit flash player
[01:42] <QpSmiley> =[
[01:44] <Typos_King> QpSmiley:     any 32bit app should be able to run just fine on a 64bit hardware, there's backward compatibility, soooo, you should be able to install chrome 32bit anyway, using dpkg -i PACKAGENAME;, however, you should also be able to just use the 32bit libflashplayer.so as well
[01:45] <QpSmiley> will 32bit flash player work in a 64bit browser?
[01:46] <QpSmiley> so i sudo cd to my directory
[01:46] <Typos_King> should, sure
[01:46] <QpSmiley> and then dpkg -i chrome-install.deb
[01:46] <Typos_King> yes, don't forget to 'sudo' :)
[01:49] <QpSmiley> is cd the thing that moves you between directories
[01:50] <Typos_King> yes
[01:50] <Typos_King> you can just launch Dolphin and use that
[01:51] <QpSmiley> i dont understand
[01:51] <QpSmiley> nvm
[01:52] <QpSmiley> I understand
[01:52] <Typos_King> Dolphin, is the file manager
[01:53] <QpSmiley> it says  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[01:53] <tsimpson> you need to use "sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i ..." to install a 32bit package in a 64bit system
[01:54] <Typos_King> QpSmiley:     yeah, tsimpson  is correct, so ^
[01:55] <QpSmiley> okay lets see if that worked brb
[01:57] <QpSmiley> can you say the force architecture command again
[01:57] <QpSmiley> sorry xD
[01:59] <Typos_King> sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i PACKAGENAME
[02:34] <Pavel_10> can anyone teach me how to find a crash log?
[02:56] <DarthFrog> Pavel_10: Check /var/log
[06:42] <CQ> hello, I just upgraded from karmic to lucid, and now my home server is stuck at the moving dots screen at bootup... no prompt, no errors on the alt-f1 console, same for older kernels ... any ideas?
[06:57] <DarthFrog> Try booting into recovery mode and see if any errors are reported.
[07:06] <CQ> no errors, I'm in an old debian partition though so I can probably do maintenance
[07:09] <CharlesOberg> I have a question, and yes I am ignorant as I am not PC savvy.
[07:09] <CharlesOberg> Is there a Kubuntu Manual I can download somewhere so I can learn more about before Iload Kubuntu to my old PC?
[07:14] <CQ> CharlesOberg: the best way to do it if you don't need anything on the old pc is to just install it.... else use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to install a live distro to a USB stick and test it first
[07:15] <CharlesOberg> That is an awesome idea.
[07:15] <CharlesOberg> I will try the stick first, just to mesh it out.
[07:15] <CharlesOberg> I am ready to throw Winblows out the window.
[07:17] <CQ> CharlesOberg: what you can do is install virtualbox and run windows in a virtual machine... really easy, and you do need ot for some tools I've found
[07:18] <CQ> CharlesOberg: best of both worlds that way
[07:19] <CharlesOberg> Ah, okay.I am looking up virtualbox right now.
[07:31] <ar> hello all
[08:50] <h4nnibal> Hai! all, I have installed many useful apps and configured it well.I would like to make a Live CD/DVD for my current installation.Is there any script that automates the process?
[08:50] <h4nnibal> Please help.
[08:53] <tsimpson> !customlivecd | h4nnibal
[09:02] <ofirk> Are there any major differences between the CD image and DVD image?
[09:04] <tsimpson> ofirk: the DVD image has both the live installer and the alternate installer
[09:04] <tsimpson> that's about it
[09:05] <ofirk> tsimpson: I read a post on ubuntuforums says that the DVD as all main on it so you don;t need an internet connection while installing...
[09:05] <ofirk> so there are 2 benefits to the DVD
[09:05] <tsimpson> you don't need a internet connection when installing from the CD either
[09:05] <tsimpson> and no, it does not have all of main on it
[09:05] <tsimpson> you read a post from someone who is misinformed
[09:06] <ofirk> so there is 1 benefit...
[09:06] <ofirk> I am working on the new download page for kubuntu.org
[09:06] <ofirk> and I am trying to explain way we offer a DVD
[09:06] <tsimpson> the only benefit while installing is that you have the option to use the live installer, or the alternate installer
[09:06] <tsimpson> it also has the core packages needed (usable by apt-get) on the DVD
[09:07] <tsimpson> so you can use it for some packages when you don't have an internet connection
[09:07] <ofirk> It seems that avg. users won't understand the differences...
[09:08] <ofirk> I think I will just point to the images with no explanations to avoid confusion
[09:08] <ofirk> tsimpson: what do you think?
[09:08] <h4nnibal> ubottu: Thanks for your help.
[09:09] <tsimpson> ofirk: just mention that it combines the Live install and alternate install I guess
[09:09] <ofirk> tsimpson: yeah, thanks for your time!
[09:09] <tsimpson> :)
[09:51] <[ade]> moinmoin. i'm trying to set up dual-head in kubuntu 10.04. using systemsettings, I can get the layout right, but this isn't preserved across reboots -- after a reboot i'm back to cloned monitors. is there a way of making the dual-head setup persistent (short of just writing an /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- I know i can bang it into shape that way)
[09:57] <apparle> hello guys
[09:59] <apparle> I am able to connect with my BSNL EV-DO USB modem with wvdial, but how to connect using knetworkmanager
[11:37] <CQ> hello, i just upgraded to lucid and the system hangs permanently at the startup screen with the logo and white dots... no consoles or error messages on teh other terminals, ctrl-alt-del reboots so the kernel isn't hung....
[11:38] <CQ> i have a live dist booted so I can edit config files etc.
[11:50] <[ade]> CQ: i had something like that just today where i had messed up xorg.conf, so no display or anything. when the machine is up, can you ping it or ssh in to it? that'd give you access to the logfiles and dmsg of the running system.
[11:50] <CQ> [ade]: I get no login prompt on any text consoles....
[11:51] <[ade]> obviously ping or ssh would only work if you have another machine on the same network, yeah.
[11:51] <CQ> ssh is not the problem, the problem is that logins aren't enabled yet, even with the recovery boot at that time
[12:04] <CQ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/523484 this was the problem....
[12:07] <apparle> CQ: you could boot with quiet and splash removed so that you can see the boot messages
[12:09] <CQ> apparle: ureadahead in /var on a separate filesystem is the problem...
[12:10] <apparle> CQ: I don't understand that
[12:32] <lumm> someone ever got the remote for vlc working with iphone ?
[12:33] <lumm> http://hobbyistsoftware.com/VLCSetup-linux.php according to this setup. my phone claims that there is vlc running but it cant axs it.
[12:37] <lumm> got it to work now ;)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:38] <evilsherpa> hey all, should gnome-system-monitor be running, and should it be using 90%+ of my cpu?
[13:58] <Torch> evilsherpa: no and no ;-)
[14:18] <pinoyoragon> wicd 1.7.0 doesn't work in wired on kubuntu 10.04 any help please?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> pinoyoragon, does network manager work (knetworkmanager)
[14:26] <pinoyoragon> BluesKaj: i removed it because its inconsistent and most of the time doesnt work in wifi, im an avid fan of wicd but when i upgraded my system to 10.04 and installed wicd 1.7.0 suddenly i cant connect to wired
[14:36] <BluesKaj> pinoyoragon, ok , what we should try is to use a purist approach , no guis just settings in /etc/network/interfaces, you'll need to diable wicd for this to work. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[14:37] <BluesKaj> err disable wicd
[14:38] <BluesKaj> pinoyoragon_, i use this setup on 2 ethernet connected linuxboxes without any probs
[14:51] <odla> can the kubuntu iso be dd on to a usb?
[14:53] <ArGGu^^> odla you want to boot the kubuntu install from usb?
[14:53] <ArGGu^^> *installer
[14:54] <odla> ArGGu^^: yup ... i could use unetbootin but i prefer dd ... if it isn't an option i'll use unetbootin
[14:54] <howlymowly> hi.. i just wanted to ask..  in the kubuntu 10.04 pre-release version there was a program, i think its name was: "playmouth-set-theme" , to change the plymouth theme... seems like it is gone since the LTS version was released..  is it possible to change the plamouth bootloader theme somehow?
[14:55] <howlymowly> *plymouth
[14:55] <ArGGu^^> odla never tried but it might work
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !plymouth
[14:56] <BluesKaj> !info plymouth
[14:58] <ArGGu^^> odla I mean that dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/usbstick. Might work.
[14:58] <howlymowly> odla: that's easy... just use the program "usb-creator"
[14:59] <ArGGu^^> but unetbootin will definitely work
[14:59] <BluesKaj> howlymowly, dunno there may be different themes , but I don't see it unril I shut down , you can change the lofin manager look and splashscreens in system settings
[14:59] <howlymowly> there exist versions for kde and gtk:  usb-creator-kde, usb-creator-gtk
[15:00] <howlymowly> odla: usb-creator-kde  is available via packet manager
[15:00] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: that's right.. but plymouthg is not about the login manager.. its about the bootsplach directly after grub
[15:01] <BluesKaj> howlymowly, I don't see the bootsplash on mine ..
[15:02] <BluesKaj> just the login
[15:02] <howlymowly> odla: usb-creator takes an iso loads it onto an usb deivce and makes that device bootable.. ..  fits for almost all linux live cds
[15:02] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: why is that :)?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> howlymowly, good question, but I think the login theme might take over from it if it's not default , but different
[15:03] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: well.. it doesn't on my computer :) .. but that isn#t such a bad idea anyway.. i'll look on google how to disable plymouth boot manager...
[15:03] <BluesKaj> howlymowly, at least that's what I'm seing anyway
[15:04] <BluesKaj> plymouth isn'treally a manager
[15:04] <skamster> hello all.. i've got some problems with xorg..
[15:05] <skamster> i've installed a second screen, what works, but xorg is now very very fast on 100%
[15:05] <skamster> i've the 256.35-driver for my nvidia-card
[15:06] <skamster> and as graphiccard a quadro fx 1600m
[15:06] <skamster> i also used the repo-drivers first..
[15:09] <skamster> hope, someone could help me..
[15:10] <skamster> this is my xorg.conf
[15:10] <skamster> http://pastebin.com/neYZ8BtJ
[15:17] <slow-motion> hi
[15:22] <skamster> no one here who knows xorg?
[15:30] <ToxinPowe> skamster: nop, I have dual screen and nvidia 195, sry
[15:31] <skamster> and it works good?
[15:31] <ToxinPowe> yes
[15:31] <ToxinPowe> 8600GT
[15:31] <skamster> mmh..
[15:32] <skamster> strange.. i don't think that my card should be so slow..
[15:32] <ToxinPowe> of course not =)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> skamster, check your framerate with glxgears , with your card it should up around 15k in 5 secs
[15:34] <BluesKaj> full screeen should still be around 3-4k
[15:35] <ToxinPowe> apt-get install mesa-utils for glxgears =)
[15:36] <skamster> Result in initialscreen: 46457 frames in 5.0 seconds
[15:36] <skamster> and in fullscreen: 3949 frames in 5.0 seconds
[15:36] <skamster> (a average)
[15:37] <skamster> isn't glxgears in the nvidia-sw? ;)
[15:37] <ToxinPowe> nop
[15:37] <skamster> ok.. then i learned something new today :D
[15:39] <skamster> BluesKaj: so i think, this result is normal.. but not the cpu-usage on normal (2d) working
[15:39] <skamster> :s
[15:42] <skamster> ah, i've seen, that one of my cpu-cores is down on 800Mhz..
[15:42] <skamster> but it shouldn't.. maybe..?
[15:51] <duster1959> 256 users
[16:21] <duster1959> is any people here
[16:26] <Quintasan> duster1959: if you have a question just ask it, ppl sit here all the time so someone will answer it
[16:27] <duster1959> oke, how to insert nick by button
[16:27] <duster1959> in quassel
[16:29] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks. ATI support for kubuntu still pretty poor? Or is it just me? I have a pretty new card and have problems with both the flgrx and radeon HD drivers :(
[16:30] <Hazamonzo> I found this thread and its the same card as i have. As you can see the last post says the card is working correctly as of.,.. April 15th
[16:31] <Hazamonzo> I have thr flgrx drivers installed already. And i update my system everytime im prompted. Should i have the latest and greatest flgrx drivers?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Hazamonzo, just give thanks that your fglrx drivers are still working properly :)
[16:52] <Hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Heheh. define "properly"?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> uhm, not crashing to a black creen and blinking cursor :)
[16:54] <Hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Ouch
[16:57] <BluesKaj> my box with ati onboard x200m is running W7 , ..very poor graphics on lucis
[16:57] <BluesKaj> err lucid
[16:58] <BluesKaj> the other computers have nvidia graphics, one with an old 7600gt which still serves as a media server in the TV room
[17:23] <Kuwanger> avihay: Good news (and bad news).  I suffered the same problem again.  And I think I know the cause.
[17:24] <Kuwanger> avihay: I think the problem is linked to ureadahead.  I say this because I had the same problem again after uninstalling avahi-daemon and samba.  Those, I believe, change /etc/init[.d]/ and cause a rescan to occur.
[17:24] <Kuwanger> avihay: Having said that, I'm looking over the ps listing.  As far as I can tell, the missing memory isn't in processes.  Perhaps it was in shared memory?
[17:26] <Kuwanger> I think I'll reinstall avahi-daemon and restart and use ipcs to get shared memory information.
[17:27] <Kuwanger> Any other ideas on where to look for possible memory usage?
[17:29] <Kuwanger> bbs
[17:32] <naigi> ...
[17:35] <Kuwanger> Yep, reinstalling avahi-daemon caused it to happen again.  Unfortunately, the leak isn't in shared memory. :/
[17:46] <Kuwanger> I also found a bug report matching my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/501715
[17:50]  * Kuwanger sees if the shrinking the tracing buffer trick works.
[17:55] <Kuwanger> Well, that was it.  And I was able to reset the tracing buffer size.
[17:56] <Kuwanger> Though, /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs is still seemingly mounted.
[17:59] <odla> how can i create a bootable live usb? i've tried dd but that doesn't seem to work
[18:01] <bazhang> odla, unetbootin
[18:01] <odla> bazhang: unetbootin doesn't seem to work ... it says unetbootin when i reboot then the screen is blank
[18:02] <bazhang> odla, then it was a bad 'burn' ; sometimes takes me a couple of tries to get it right
[18:05] <36DAASUXO> does anyone have any idea when 4.5RC1 will packets will be released?
[18:05] <avihay> Kuwanger: Well, good work, the launchpad bug page is already full with discussions, looks like you were also right on the money
[18:05]  * Kuwanger is going to see how much ureadhead helps.
[18:06] <Kuwanger> avihay: Shame it's some obtuse kernel setting, though.  That just makes it harder to diagnose. :/
[18:06] <Kuwanger> Well, thanks for letting me rant.  At least now I know of a workaround.
[18:37] <Kuwanger> Well, playing around with bootchart and ureadahead as suggested by one of the people who worked on it...I've discovered that ureadahead doesn't help my startup time at all.
[18:49] <ragnarok_> Anyone here?
[18:49] <DarthFrog> nobody but us chickens.
[18:51] <ragnarok_> Any ideas as to why kubuntu wont recognise my monitors max resolution?
[18:51] <DarthFrog> Perhaps your video driver doesn't support that rez?
[18:53] <ragnarok_> >.>
[18:54] <DarthFrog> The new way that X is configured is great when it gets it right.  But it can be ... difficult when it gets it wrong.
[18:55] <DarthFrog> To get the max rez, if it isn't autodetected, might well involve you having to set the modeline manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[18:55] <ragnarok_> not only is the resolution smal, but everything looks ugly
[18:55] <ragnarok_> fonts look kinda blurry
[18:55] <DarthFrog> What video card do you have?
[18:56] <ragnarok_> uhm
[18:56] <ragnarok_> h/o
[18:57] <ragnarok_>  Graphics:  Card nVidia NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] X.Org 1.7.6 Res<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:57] <ragnarok_> works almost fine with gnome
[18:57] <ragnarok_> at least when i dont have the propritary driver enabled
[18:57] <DarthFrog> And what driver are you using now?
[18:58]  * ragnarok_ Shrugs
[18:58] <ragnarok_> just installed kubuntu-desktop from gnome
[18:59] <DarthFrog> Then it's not a KDE vs. GNOME issue.
[19:00] <ragnarok_> Any ideas on what to do?
[19:00] <DarthFrog> Try setting the rez using krandr.
[19:01] <DarthFrog> or SystemSettings.
[19:01] <ragnarok_> it show the max resolution as 1024x768 no matter what i do
[19:01] <DarthFrog> then it's a limitation of the video driver.
[19:02] <ragnarok_> heh
[19:02] <ragnarok_> any way to check what driver im using?
[19:03] <DarthFrog> Yeah.  Scan /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:05] <ragnarok_>  heh
[19:05] <ragnarok_> what exactly am i looking for
[19:05] <ragnarok_> text is really hard to read
[19:07] <DarthFrog> One of the load module lines will be the video driver.  look for "Module class: X.Org Video Driver"
[19:09] <ragnarok_> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
[19:09] <ragnarok_> (II) LoadModule: "nv"
[19:09] <ragnarok_> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv.so
[19:09] <ragnarok_> (II) Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[19:09] <FloodBotK1> ragnarok_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:10] <DarthFrog> The floodbot will ban you if you do that again.
[19:10] <DarthFrog> You have the open-source 2D driver.
[19:10] <ragnarok_> yeah i noticed
[19:10] <ragnarok_> >.>
[19:11] <ragnarok_> heh
[19:11] <ragnarok_> i need to reboot but cant for like an hour
[19:11] <DarthFrog> You could try the open-source 3D driver, nouveau. (which doesn't work) or the prop. nvidia drivers.
[19:11] <DarthFrog> !nvidia | ragnarok_
[19:11] <ragnarok_> heh
[19:11] <ragnarok_> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[19:13] <ragnarok_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/455110/
[19:13] <lamozx> всем привет. тут помогают нубам?)
[19:13] <DarthFrog> !ru | lamozx
[19:14] <lamozx> oh, sorry)
[19:14] <[Screamo]> heh
[19:15] <DarthFrog> I wonder what that actually says?  :-)
[19:16] <[Screamo]> lol
[19:16] <[Screamo]> DarthFrog, did you look at that link i posted?
[19:16] <DarthFrog> Who are you??
[19:16] <[Screamo]> erm
[19:17] <[Screamo]> the guy with vid driver issue
[19:17] <[Screamo]> dont remeberwhatmy nick was
[19:17] <DarthFrog> Ah.  You were ragnarok_?
[19:17] <[Screamo]> and my space bar isnt workingcorrectly
[19:18] <[Screamo]> oh yeah
[19:18] <DarthFrog> In which case, you are using the nouveau driver and that is likely the source of your problem.
[19:18] <[Screamo]> heh
[19:18] <[Screamo]> how do i switch
[19:18] <DarthFrog> So, if it were me, I'd "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" and reboot.
[19:19] <DarthFrog> And cross my fingers. ;-)
[19:19] <[Screamo]> heh
[19:19] <[Screamo]> bbl
[19:19] <DarthFrog> Actually, that's not all I'd do.  I'd configure the xorg.conf file to use the nv driver.
[19:24] <[Screamo]> heh
[19:24] <DarthFrog> So did it work?
[19:24] <[Screamo]> got my resolution back :D
[19:24] <[Screamo]> didnt have to remove thr drivers
[19:24] <[Screamo]> well
[19:25] <[Screamo]> i removed the prop drivers from gnome, then installed kubuntu-desktop, then switched without rebooting
[19:31] <cuco> when i run the Users and Groups Administration the GUI has no option to modify the users. I assume running it using "sudo" will work, but how can I get privilegies from the GUI?
[19:33] <DarthFrog> As a work around, press ALT-F2 and type "kdesu systemsettings".
[19:33] <cuco> DarthFrog: I assume there is a bug open about this issue?
[19:33] <DarthFrog> I have no idea.  And it's perhaps not a bug so much as a missing feature. :-)
[19:34] <cuco> arg... if I click on the icon in system-settings, it does ask for a password
[19:34] <cuco> if I run it manually it does not. nice.
[20:06] <Whisky`> KBluetooth was greyed out so I quit it, how do I start it again?
[20:24] <Whisky`> ?
[20:25] <Quintasan> Whisky`: go to Menu -> Internet -> KBluetooh
[20:25] <Quintasan> Whisky`: or just press ALT+F2 and type kbluetooth there
[20:26] <Whisky`> thanks Quintasan  :)
[20:26] <Quintasan> Whisky`: no problem :D
[21:12] <anthony_> hi
[21:13] <anthony_> fr ? i have a probleme ?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> !fr | anthony
[21:22] <c3l> why doesnent wine in kubuntu have EsounD Drive?
[21:22] <c3l> it does in ubuntu
[21:35] <ZidaneT> Hi guys, quick question.  how does quassel measure up against xchat?  i'm a long term user of xchat, and noticed the shiny quassel client came installed by default.
[21:39] <ZidaneT> uh-oh, too late, time to restart for updates. :)
[22:07] <c3l> why doesnent wine in kubuntu have EsounD Drive?
[22:07] <c3l> as sound driver
[22:41] <ricardo_> oi
[22:49] <[Screamo]> Why is there no clock on the panel =/
[22:56] <c3l> why doesnent wine in kubuntu have EsounD Drive as sound drive??
[23:06] <Nerran> Hi guys, is there a way to disable the auto reopening of all programs which were open at shutdown?
[23:06] <[Screamo]> Nerran, Yes, hold on a sec
[23:08] <avihay> Nerran: system settings -> advanced tab -> session manager
[23:09] <[Screamo]> Nerran, Menu> Computer> System Settings> Advanced tab> session manager
[23:09] <[Screamo]> damn it
[23:09] <[Screamo]> >.>
[23:09] <Nerran> ah thanks :)
[23:09] <[Screamo]> Lag =/
[23:09] <avihay> [Screamo]: it got removed somehow and you can just ad a new one
[23:09] <avihay> :->
[23:09] <avihay> ad->add
[23:09] <[Screamo]> yeah but it would not let me add another one
[23:09] <avihay> then tell it to remove the old one?
[23:10] <avihay> ok, I don't see how
[23:10] <[Screamo]> the old one wasnt there =/
[23:11] <avihay> ok, is your panle locked?
[23:11] <[Screamo]> No
[23:11] <[Screamo]> i should mention i figured it out
[23:12] <avihay> double click, right?
[23:12] <[Screamo]> the panel ended up crashing and restarting
[23:12] <[Screamo]> then it let me add it
[23:13] <avihay> well, chalk it up to great software engineering!
[23:14] <[Screamo]> =/
[23:15] <[Screamo]> that would make the 3rd time in one hour the panel crashed
[23:18] <avihay> mine crashes on average once a month
[23:21] <[Screamo]> gnome panel never crashes on me =/
[23:21] <Torch> on me neither.
[23:21] <Torch> never use it.
[23:21] <avihay> :->
[23:22] <Torch> kde4 doesn't even have a panel process that could crash
[23:38] <makerprofaze> hi all
[23:39] <makerprofaze> can someone tell/point me the way to make direct panel widgets/shortcuts that open folder windows?
[23:39] <makerprofaze> (to panels)
[23:39] <makerprofaze> (plasma panels)
[23:40] <luix182> hola
[23:40] <luix182> hi?
[23:41] <makerprofaze> I hit add widgets, drag icons from app launch menu, then change icon settings/application/command then go back and change icon/delete supported file types
[23:41] <makerprofaze> howdy luix182
[23:41] <luix182> amm any speak spanish??
[23:41] <makerprofaze> if anyone knows a faster way, do tell
[23:42] <makerprofaze> It seems I'll have to do this for anything that doesn't actually show up in the application launch menu
[23:42] <luix182> uuhhmm
[23:43] <luix182> bye xD
[23:44] <slow-motion> n8
[23:51] <makerprofaze> is this actually kde/plasma/dolphin or kubuntu related?
[23:53] <makerprofaze> hhmm...


[00:18] <michael_tn> good day all :-)
[02:31] <_mup_> juju/purge-queued-hooks r459 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:31] <_mup_> Handle merging events in case of purge
[02:34] <jimbaker> still need to clean that up, but the logic seems sound. dinner!
[03:14] <_mup_> juju/purge-queued-hooks r460 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:14] <_mup_> Cleanup
[03:15] <_mup_> juju/purge-queued-hooks r461 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:15] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[13:15] <niemeyer> gary_poster: ping
[13:17] <gary_poster> niemeyer, on call, will pong in 10 or so
[13:24] <niemeyer> gary_poster: No worries.. it was mostly to warn you about this:
[13:24] <niemeyer> ----- lp:~yellow/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave/trunk
[13:24] <niemeyer> error: charm publishing previously failed: symlink "hooks/helpers.py" links out of charm: "../../buildbot-master/hooks/helpers.py"
[13:24] <niemeyer> gary_poster: This works out of a bug only
[13:24] <gary_poster> niemeyer, yeah, we are aware, thanks.  We will fix before we declare it "done"
[13:25] <niemeyer> gary_poster: Super
[14:21] <jcastro> SpamapS: FYI the webminar is 45 minutes, and I'll heavily mention that people should watch the first one before they do this one, so we can just jump right into the meat.
[14:31] <frankban> hi everybody, actually I am not able to bootstrap juju using ec2 environment. I've found http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/841728/ on the zookeeper instance. It seems that the problem can be us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com returning a 403 error. Can you confirm my idea?
[16:28] <m_3> frankban: ec2 / us-east-1 is bootstrapping fine on this morning's oneiric packages (bzr454)... perhaps the problem was transient?
[16:29] <frankban> m_3: problem solved, thank you
[16:30] <m_3> np
[17:19] <hallyn> just curious, has anyone worked on a charm for diaspora pods?
[17:20] <hallyn> also, curious whether anyone is looking at bug 930430
[17:20] <_mup_> Bug #930430: lxc-ls requires root access after deploying an LXC instance <juju (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <lxc (Ubuntu):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/930430 >
[17:33] <m_3> hallyn: diaspora's on the list Bug 803538
[17:33] <_mup_> Bug #803538: Charm Needed: Diaspora <hot> <Juju Charms Collection:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803538 >
[17:35] <m_3> it's a rocking one to get working though... great story for how individuals can put juju to good use... juju's not just for big stacks... etc etc
[19:27] <_mup_> Bug #932269 was filed: Juju should allow "service-destroyed" hooks <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/932269 >
[20:03] <hallyn> m_3: aweseome
[20:03] <hallyn> i don't trust other people's pods :)
[20:05] <m_3> hallyn: :)
[20:49] <bac> hi m_3, i am still having the LXC+SSH problems i mentioned yesterday but today am using a PPA built on r454.  any ideas on how to diagnose this problem?
[20:50] <m_3> bac: hey... hmmm
[20:51] <m_3> so let's back up a sec... what series are you running on your host machine?
[20:51] <bac> precise
[20:51] <m_3> ok, have you disabled lxcbr in /etc/default/lxc?
[20:52] <bac> nope.  first i've heard of that
[20:53] <m_3> ok, just want to make sure we don't have any conflicts... want only one dnsmasq running, bound to <IP_ADDRESS>, on interface virbr0
[20:53] <bac> m_3, the problem i'm seeing is that the .ssh directory for the ubuntu user is not being created
[20:53] <m_3> bac: right... I'm backing up further... never seen that problem and suspect it's something more basic
[20:53] <bac> m_3, i *can* ssh to the unit, but my authorized_keys are not there, so it prompts me for a password
[20:54] <m_3> what address is it getting?
[20:54] <bac> m_3, see the end of my master-customize.log file at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/842188/
[20:55] <bac> virbr0 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:56] <m_3> the lxc instance is picking up a 122 address?
[20:57] <bac> yeah, 122.113
[20:59] <m_3> so the next thing to check out would be your environments.yaml file
[20:59] <m_3> make sure you've got a `juju-origin: ppa` line as part of your local environment (whatever you named it)
[20:59] <bac> m_3, so i should set USE_LXC_BRIDGE="false" ?
[20:59] <m_3> bac: I would, yes
[21:00] <bac> yes, environments.yaml is good.  this set up was working last week.
[21:00] <m_3> then later when you restart lxc (might have to reboot) that interface and corresponding dnsmasq will go away
[21:00] <m_3> is the juju-origin in there?
[21:00] <m_3> (don't remember when that particular problem arose)
[21:01] <bac> yes, juju-origin: ppa
[21:01] <m_3> cool
[21:01] <m_3> ok, when was the last time you flushed your /var/cache/lxc?
[21:01] <m_3> BTW, does it have a 'precise' entry in there or is it still oneiric?
[21:01] <bac> yesterday, in response to this problem cropping up
[21:02] <bac> oneiric
[21:06] <m_3> bac: ok, so this is smelling a bit like a problem we'd be haunted with in lxc before
[21:06] <bac> m_3, just curious, did you look at the paste?
[21:07] <m_3> lxc instances sometimes couldn't mount filesystems (/proc is what I'm looking at here)
[21:07] <m_3> yeah, basing this guess on the paste
[21:07] <bac> ok
[21:07] <m_3> two possible things to try
[21:07] <m_3> 1.) wipe the cache again and see what happens
[21:07] <m_3> 2.) write your key into root's authrorized_keys in the container
[21:08] <m_3> you should be able to write directly to /var/lib/lxc/.../rootfs/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[21:08] <bac> oh, great.  didn't know that
[21:08] <m_3> I _think_ the running instance should pick that up
[21:08] <m_3> once you're in we can debug further
[21:08] <bac> fwiw i've rebooted and the other dnsmasq is gone
[21:09] <m_3> cool
[21:09] <m_3> oh, if you've destroyed your environment, you might wanna flush the cache
[21:09] <bac> m_w you do find it odd that ~ubuntu exists?
[21:09] <bac> will do
[21:09] <bac> i mean *before* setup_users is called
[21:10] <m_3> don't know... it's copying a cached image right?
[21:10] <m_3> it might be set up in the image (I totally haven't dug into when/how this gets created)
[21:10] <bac> dunno
[21:11] <m_3> so a similar problem surfaced every few weeks with the instances not being able to mount devpts and so we couldn't get into the machine
[21:11] <bac> m_3: should i change default-series to precise?  does that work now?
[21:11] <m_3> it's on my list to test today... haven't yet
[21:12] <m_3> I'd leave it at oneiric atm
[21:12] <bac> ok, i've changed to precise for the container, blew away /var/cache/lxc, and am trying.  this should take a while
[21:12] <bac> oops
[21:12] <m_3> ah, precise is fine
[21:12] <m_3> just multiple moving parts
[21:13] <bac> m_3, btw, i used the juju recipe to build a precise PPA into my ppa.  it had failed two days ago due to a networking glitch but worked today.  perhaps you should request a build into the ~juju ppa now.
[21:14] <m_3> bac: ha
[21:14] <m_3> that's what I was just going to ask you... how'd you add the ppa on precise
[21:16] <m_3> that's going to be a problem if we use default-series set to precise with juju-origin set to ppa
[21:16] <m_3> perhaps it'd be best to use oneiric/ppa to test
[21:18] <bac> m_3, ok i will.  unless you think it is hopeless i'd like to let this one continue coming up
[21:19] <m_3> sure... might give us some more info
[21:20] <m_3> but what'll happen is your local juju-454 will spin up precise lxc instances that get juju-447 (which is hard-coded to only use oneiric)
[21:20] <m_3> so we should expect it to at least be confused :)
[21:51] <_mup_> juju/purge-queued-hooks r462 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:51] <_mup_> Docstrings/comments/PEP8/PyFlakes
[21:54] <bac> m_3, just a heads up that i'm still here and waiting on the lxc instance still
[21:55] <bac> m_3 and now it is up.  the problem is the same.
[21:56] <m_3> bac: ok, so manually inject your key and poke around
[21:57] <bac> m_3, well i am logged in via username/password.  is that sufficient?
[21:58] <bac> m_3, you mentioned the account possibly existing due to a cached copy.  where would that have come from given i blew away /var/cache/lxc?
[21:58] <m_3> bac: who are you logged in as?
[21:58] <bac> ubuntu
[21:58] <m_3> how'd you set a password?
[21:59] <bac> it is preset as ubuntu
[21:59] <m_3> ah, sorry
[21:59] <m_3> does the output of `mount` look normal?
[22:00] <bac> i'll paste it into a pm
[22:00] <m_3> looking for proc, devpts, etc
[22:03] <m_3> bac: catching up with you on a test box
[22:03] <m_3> bac: so can you deploy a service?
[22:04] <bac> yes
[22:04] <bac> but i cannot debug it
[22:04] <jamesmitchell> while I am working on a charm, can I do something to push the update out to a running juju environment? At the moment I am doing a 'destroy-environment', then 'bootstrap' and 'deploy' again.
[22:04] <bac> jamesmitchell: did you try upgrade-charm?
[22:05] <m_3> so on oneiric, I can't 'juju ssh 0'... I get Permission denied (publickey)
[22:05] <m_3> but once a service is up, I can 'juju ssh bitlbee/0' no problem
[22:06] <m_3> bac: so you're trying to get into a deployed service once it's up and running right?
[22:06] <bac> m_3: yes
[22:06] <bac> m_3: but this is what kills me:
[22:06] <bac> + setup_users
[22:06] <bac> + id ubuntu
[22:06] <bac> uid=1000(ubuntu) gid=1000(ubuntu) groups=1000(ubuntu),999(admin),105(libvirtd)
[22:06] <bac> + '[' 0 == 0 ']'
[22:06] <bac> + return 0
[22:07] <bac> we don't know where that user got created
[22:08] <jamesmitchell> thanks. upgrade-charm is going to bump the revision as well?
[22:08] <bac> jamesmitchell: yes
[22:08] <m_3> bac: yeah, I'm getting the opposite...
[22:09] <m_3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:09] <m_3> + setup_users
[22:09] <m_3> + id ubuntu
[22:09] <m_3> id: ubuntu: No such user
[22:09] <m_3> + '[' 1 == 0 ']'
[22:09] <m_3> + adduser ubuntu --disabled-password --shell /bin/bash --gecos ''
[22:11] <m_3> bac: ok, so the base image or lxc templating
[22:11]  * m_3 digging thru /var/{lib,cache}/lxc
[22:15] <m_3> bac: what's `grep ubuntu /var/cache/lxc/precise/rootfs-amd64/etc/passwd`
[22:15] <m_3> bac: and /var/lib/lxc/bac-local-0-template/config show?
[22:16] <bac> m_3, odd -- i specified precise in environments.yaml but it created an oneiric cache.
[22:16] <m_3> grrrr
[22:16] <m_3> 454?
[22:17] <bac> ii  juju                   0.5+bzr454-1juju2~prec next generation service orchestration system
[22:17] <bac> m_3, not ubuntu in cached /etc/passwd
[22:17] <m_3> there were several places in the code where args were defaulted to oneiric... perhaps one was missed
[22:18] <m_3> bac: dunno man... I'm thinking the short story is... still broken
[22:19] <bac> boo
[22:19] <m_3> I triggered a ppa build
[22:19] <bac> oh, good
[22:20] <m_3> and I bugged clint to update the archive... although that might wait until we've sorted this out
[22:20] <m_3> oh, BTW, while its' up... `dpkg -l | grep juju` on the instance
[22:20] <m_3> 447?
[22:20] <m_3> or 453
[22:21] <bac> ii  juju                       0.5+bzr454-1juju2~oneiric1 next generation service orchestration system
[22:22] <m_3> wow!
[22:22] <m_3> oh, nevermind
[22:22] <m_3> it's oneiric
[22:22] <m_3> the precise ppa build just failed again
[22:23] <m_3> I'll test off of head and see where I get... I think I can specify something like 'juju-origin: lp:juju'
[22:24] <m_3> this is in the way of testing charms on precise so we'll need it worked out sooner rather than later
[22:25] <m_3> bac: thanks... sorry we didn't get anywhere.  I'd recommend oneiric running oneiric lxc if you just need to get stuff done atm
[22:30] <bac> m_3: thanks for your help
[22:30] <bac> sadly i don't have an oneiric machine around
[22:31] <m_3> lxc works inside of an openstack or ec2 instance just fine
[22:31] <bac> oh, right
[22:31] <m_3> works inside of a libvirt VM too... just watch network conflicts
[22:32] <m_3> I use ec2/large so I can put /var/lib/lxc on a decent-sized tmpfs
[22:38] <m_3> ok, precise ppa build is good now
[22:39]  * m_3 going to wait in line at the florist


[02:53] <mappps> hi all
[02:53] <mappps> so brexit eh
[02:53] <mappps> who cares
[02:58] <ali1234> not me
[02:59] <mappps> nor me;D people here are worried, oh no spain migh close the border..nah..12,000 people work here
[03:00] <mappps> they might make queues..sure
[06:35] <Myrtti> I wonder if I need to continue staying in my pillow fort
[06:37] <zmoylan-pi> did you bring supplies into the fort to last a few days?
[06:38] <Myrtti> I wish I had, should've locked myself in without internet
[06:39] <zmoylan-pi> do you have a loyal minion who can be summoned to get supplies sent in?
[06:42] <Myrtti> look, I appreciate the wish and need of Britons to roll sleeves up and start working on what from now, but I hope and wish people remember that there are going to be people that will have to do all that AND possibly in a place that doesn't feel quite so safe, welcoming and home anymore.
[06:43] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: yeah, to some degree
[06:43] <zmoylan-pi> far right seem to have been on the streets across all of europe over the weekend.... even 20 or so muppets in dublin allegedly
[06:47] <Myrtti> I live in East Anglia close to those notes left through the Polish people's mail boxes. I've known the area isn't the most welcoming to any immigrants since first visiting here in election season, but it still came as a shock.
[06:58] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed things settle down soon... :-(
[07:05] <MooDoo> morning al
[07:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[07:58] <SuperMatt> good morning, leaderless britain
[07:59] <TwistedLucidity> Leaderless, rudderless; to the lifeboats!  I wes too polite to ask
[08:14] <Myrtti> and sorry I perpetuated it
[08:30] <MooDoo> Myrtti: :)
[08:34] <davmor2> Politics, politics, politics, cat's doing stupid things, politics well that's enough facebook today then
[08:34] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[08:39]  * bashrc has mostly avoided Facebook for that reason
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Industrial Workers Of The World Day! 😃
[09:22] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait brobostigon
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:24] <MooDoo> :)
[09:26] <brobostigon> :)
[09:31] <JamesTait> 👋  MooDoo brobostigon
[09:32] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cShYbLkhBc
[10:23] <BigRedS> bashrc: try Fluff Busting Purity; I've filtered out *most* of the politics from mine
[10:23] <BigRedS> that said, there's not really terribly much left...
[10:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think that covers us right?
[10:39] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's cheeky, but yes. ☺
[10:41] <iFunction> Hi
[12:53] <diddledan> morning
[16:00] <velus> hey all, does ubuntu support finger print login?
[16:01] <Myrtti> depends on the device, I've heard rumours that there might be a device that works, but they were very distant and faint rumours
[16:01] <Myrtti> well, "works" in some value of working
[16:22] <ali1234> there is at least one laptop which is supposedly ubuntu certified which contains a fingerprint reader, however i was never able to get a straight answer on whether or not it works
[16:22] <ali1234> also that was several years ago
[17:06] <diddledan> daftykins: just had a looksee to determine if I can flash that amd gfx card I've borked. I don't have enough power connectors to power it in addition to my normal gfx
[17:07] <diddledan> I've only got two gfx power headers, where one is used for my nvidia and the amd requires two
[17:11] <diddledan> I'll have to take some time to pull-out my nvidia and put a cheapy passive card in that I've got to try the actual flash
[17:14] <diddledan> interesting. redhat just announced they're supporting openjdk on windows now
[17:14] <diddledan> they're doing "devnation" keynote right now: https://youtu.be/nxnIpgHQ-Gw
[18:04] <ali1234> is there a way to make the ubuntu installer automatically partition a blank drive without creating swap?
[18:49] <popey> ali1234: you could pass it a pre-seed which specifies a different disk format
[18:49] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopCDOptions
[18:49] <ali1234> hmm
[18:50] <ali1234> ythat would mean writing my own preseed?
[18:50] <ali1234> i could also just delete the swap file and then resize the root partition
[18:51] <popey> you could fiddle the existing one
[18:51] <popey> the disk layout bit isn't hard
[18:51] <ali1234> where can i find it?
[18:51] <ali1234> and how do i get my modified one onto the installer?
[18:52] <ali1234> put it on a webserver and then pass the url at the boot prompt?
[18:52] <popey> i think so
[18:52] <popey> not tried for a while
[18:54] <ali1234> i ordered a new computer with 32GB... i don't really want to use 20% of my SSD for swap...
[18:58] <popey> use manual partitioning?
[18:58] <ali1234> i don't know how any more
[18:58] <ali1234> new computer is EFI
[19:00] <davmor2> ali1234: you could use kickstart
[19:05] <ali1234> using a preseed doesn't appear to help
[19:05] <ali1234> it offers the same choices as the menus, and i'd have to define the partitions i want manually
[19:08] <velusuni> hey all
[19:09] <popey> hello
[19:20] <davmor2> ali1234: well yes you would have to do that, but it could then be automated at least
[19:20] <davmor2> velusuni: hello
[19:20] <ali1234> as i said, i don't know how to manually partition. just want exactly what the installer would give me, except without a swap partition
[19:20] <ali1234> i only need to do this once
[19:21] <davmor2> ali1234: no then, why do you want to drop swap
[19:22] <ali1234> because i will have 32GB of RAM
[19:22] <davmor2> ali1234: yes and?
[19:22] <popey> yeah, manually partitioning step
[19:23] <ali1234> and the installer will therefore create a 32GB swap partition on my SSD, wasting a large percentage of it
[19:23] <popey> personally, I'd go through the installer, let it make swap then delete it afterwards and expand root
[19:23] <ali1234> yeah, i think that is what i am going to have to do
[19:23] <popey> that way you get all the efi stuff setup correctly
[19:23] <popey> dirty, but works
[19:23] <davmor2> ali1234: what popey said
[19:23] <ali1234> not even that dirty... expanding is trivial
[19:24] <popey> true
[19:24] <ali1234> shrinking is the tricky one
[20:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi intrbiz
[20:22] <intrbiz> SebthreeBQM10HD: Hi
[21:31] <ali1234> damn. is hould have put some money on england losing 2-1 to iceland. i totally called that
[22:14] <daftykins> diddledan: or pick up a molex adapter
[22:18] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: seen https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nexdock-the-world-s-most-affordable-laptop--2#/updates ?
[22:19] <popey> maybe you won't be getting your nexdock any time soon, what with their factory burning down
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> saves time on the recall of a lot of dangerous batteries? :-P
[22:26] <daftykins> saves time faking a load of delays too ;)
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's a nice idea, i'd like a cheap keyboard and screen to chuck a rasp pi into.  the pi-top is nice but i could get a full laptop for that money
[23:12] <Ajath> how can i join your team ?
[23:12] <daftykins> wat
[23:13] <Ajath> i like ubuntu
[23:13] <Ajath> i need ubuntu free cd's
[23:13] <daftykins> make them
[23:14] <Ajath> how can i get shipping to my country
[23:14] <daftykins> this is -uk, you probably want a support channel or perhaps #ubuntu-discuss
[23:15] <Ajath> yes
[23:15] <Ajath> how can i support ?
[23:15] <Ajath> to ubuntu
[23:15] <daftykins> no tht's not what i meant
[23:15] <Ajath> k
[23:16] <Ajath> i like ubuntu community
[23:16] <daftykins> go to #ubuntu for the main support channel
[23:16] <Ajath> so i want ubuntu accessories
[23:16] <Ajath> T-shirts and caps anythink
[23:16] <daftykins> you don't need things to get started
[23:16] <Ajath> aha
[23:16] <Ajath> k
[23:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, no, but   just saw your messages, so just gone on that
[23:17] <Ajath> lol
[23:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, that's ashame, was hoping to get it in the next few weeks or so in time for next months LUG
[23:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> looks like tht probably won't be the case now
[23:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey ast leaset
[23:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> my chip and the stuff with the chip is on it's way :d
[23:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pocket chip, and yeah, whatever that was some Debian thing
[23:18] <Ajath> mmm
[23:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, thanks for informing me of the bad news though
[23:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> velus hi
[23:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> velusuni hi


[18:54] <Gareth> philipballew: ping
[18:57] <philipballew> Gareth, ping
[18:58] <Gareth> Feel as though you were looking for me recently...last few days?  Thought I saw my name hilight.
[19:01] <philipballew> yeah, I was informed I am soupposed to have a scale email address, and secondly, we need to get a due date for the kids papers. I was unsure if you needed to make a date,or what me. I was gonna say mid January. But you would need to put a date on the site and stuff like that.
[19:02] <Gareth> philipballew: ahh. right.  okay. I'll put in the request for an email address.  Are you comfortable with mid january for the deadline?  what dates specifically?
[19:02] <Gareth> date rather.
[19:03] <philipballew> hum, well I figure that date would work, i don't really see myself turning down anyone wanting to talk.Even if I get a few talks after the date and there is room I would throw them in I guess.
[19:04]  * philipballew looks at calender
[19:04] <philipballew> January 18th is a Friday, that would work so I can approve the talks on the weekend.
[19:05] <Gareth> so January 18th.
[19:06] <philipballew> Sure, what do you think?
[19:07] <Gareth> works for me.
[19:09] <philipballew> perfect. I can look over the talks on the next Saturday afternoon.
[19:09] <Gareth> For the event page, this was the page we used last year.  Anything you want to add or change?  I tweaked it a bit so far just to change the wording since its the second year of the event.
[19:09] <philipballew> link?
[19:09] <Gareth> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/events/scale-next-generation
[19:09] <darthrobot> Title: [SCALE: The Next Generation | SCALE 10x - 2012 Southern California Linux Expo]
[19:10] <philipballew> yeah, that sounds perfect. I like it a lot.
[19:10] <philipballew> That scavenger hunt. Was that good last year, or should we talk about something else there?
[19:11] <Gareth> Okay cool.
[19:11] <Gareth> the scavenger hunt didn't happen....we did the organized tour of the exhibit floor, which worked really well.
[19:12] <philipballew> I'll probably just get as many talks as I can, then go fro there
[19:12] <philipballew> ah
[19:12] <Gareth> the scavenger hunt was just a random idea I tossed out to the list.  It didn't stick.  If you have an idea how it could work, by all means.
[19:13] <philipballew> If I do not get enough time slots to fill the track, then we can do something like that I guess.
[19:16] <Gareth> Okay.
[19:18] <philipballew> My goal will be to get all slots filled with talks if I can. but thats jut a goal.
[19:18] <Gareth> So once your email is setup, we can ask the PR group to include a mention of the call for presentations, have them emailed to you.  Sound good?
[19:19] <philipballew> perfect.
[23:06] <MarkDude> Hello akk
[23:06] <pleia2> whoa, he lives!
[23:06] <pleia2> ltns MarkDude :)
[23:06] <akk> hiya MarkDude
[23:06] <MarkDude> Hello pleia2
[23:08]  * MarkDude has been hella busy
[23:08] <MarkDude> Not even making it to FUDcon this year. Prolly just going to SCALE
[23:10]  * philipballew will tackle MarkDude at SCALE when he is least aware.
[23:11] <pleia2> hopefully good busy :)
[23:13] <MarkDude> For the most part its been good fun
[23:13] <MarkDude> Grandma had a friend helping out, apparently her meds got changed- she screwed up all sorts of banking matters
[23:14] <akk> Ugh, hope you have that straightened out now.
[23:15] <MarkDude> Nope. It will take a while. Gma is ok with it for a bit
[23:18] <MarkDude> Oh, the other exciting news?
[23:19]  * MarkDude has found out he really likes Hello Kitty
[23:19] <MarkDude> <wearing HK sox RIGHT NOW>
[23:20] <pleia2> HK is very good at pink
[23:21] <MarkDude> Well, thats part of the issue
[23:21]  * MarkDude wanted some HK pajamas
[23:21] <MarkDude> a bit of pink in them is ok, but all 5 sets I have seen are ALL pink
[23:21] <MarkDude> For the record, my HK sox are blue
[23:22]  * akk got a great new stuffed penguin at a white elephant party today (apropos of nothing, just that HK reminded me)
[23:22] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6409530739/ :)
[23:22] <darthrobot> Title: [It followed me home from Everything Pink | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[23:22] <pleia2> picked that up in monterey last year
[23:23]  * bkerensa_ yawns
[23:23] <bkerensa_> so tired
[23:23] <MarkDude> Oh no, another place to add to must see list with GF
[23:23] <bkerensa_> philipballew: I will not be at SCALE but I'm sending one Canadian and Californian in my place
[23:23] <bkerensa_> :)
[23:24]  * MarkDude has gone to a few Sanrio places. As well as knock-off HK stores
[23:24] <philipballew> bkerensa_, I'll be sure to give them my blessings.
[23:24] <MarkDude> Canadian?
[23:24] <MarkDude> Are we gonna have to speak slowly again?
[23:24]  * MarkDude kids :D
[23:24] <bkerensa_> MarkDude: yeah the closet person we have is out of Toronto so she will be flying down
[23:25] <bkerensa_> well we have someone in LA but she doesnt want to own the event
[23:25] <bkerensa_> and I dont want to go
[23:25] <bkerensa_> :)
[23:25] <bkerensa_> Too much work to be done now with new role handling Community Management for Thunderbird x.x
[23:25] <MarkDude> its ok. SMOG
[23:26] <MarkDude> The wine?
[23:26]  * MarkDude kids again
[23:26]  * MarkDude is thinking of doing the Mozilla Rep thing
[23:26] <bkerensa_> MarkDude: so next year were throwing a OSCON party for real this time right?
[23:26] <bkerensa_> I have funding
[23:26] <bkerensa_> :)
[23:27] <bkerensa_> you have funding
[23:27] <bkerensa_> Funding + Funding = Awesome
[23:27] <MarkDude> Yes
[23:27] <MarkDude> You just need to help us find a house
[23:27] <bkerensa_> Moz really want me to step up FOSS events and get togethers in the region
[23:27] <bkerensa_> including travel to Cali now
[23:27]  * MarkDude is styill dealing with hotels.com asshattery
[23:27] <bkerensa_> MarkDude: Will do
[23:27] <MarkDude> Cool
[23:28] <MarkDude> We got a few Pis to play with - I want to try a small Puppy Linux for Pi- with FF
[23:29] <akk> Puppy should work fine, but maybe not FF since it's low RAM.
[23:30] <MarkDude> Seamonkey, FTW!
[23:31] <MarkDude> Fedora is supposed to do ok on Pi, but with some setup hassles.
[23:31] <akk> It's so funny that seamonkey has always been so much faster than firefox
[23:31]  * MarkDude plans letting the smart folks get it going, and bringing them food while they do
[23:31] <akk> considering that the whole original point of firefox was supposed to be seamonkey without the bloat.
[23:33]  * MarkDude just installed Mint 14 the other day- with MATE
[23:33] <MarkDude> Good stuff
[23:34]  * MarkDude could not get Handbrake to work with other Distros. Decided I needed something that*just worked*\
[23:37] <philipballew> bkerensa_, what booth are you working this time?
[23:37] <philipballew> if you were going?
[23:37] <bkerensa_> philipballew: Mozilla's booth
[23:38] <philipballew> ah, so I can place a cardboard cutout of you there?
[23:38]  * MarkDude suggests a certain cartoon hotdog cutout to fill in
[23:39] <MarkDude> Helpful like that
[23:39] <bkerensa_> philipballew: heh
[23:40] <philipballew> MarkDude, always when you least expect him, never when you want.
[23:40]  * philipballew runs are hides
[23:40] <bkerensa_> MarkDude: so Noirin Plunkett lives up here now
[23:57] <raevol> dude philipballew i'm excited about scale