[00:01] <deckard_> hello. can someone please tell me where i can read about updates i downloaded for ubuntu?
[00:02] <TJ-> deckard_: You mean see what was installed? look at the logs in /var/log/apt/
[00:02] <deckard_> is that easy to understand for novice?
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> like a changes-log ?
[00:02] <vlt> deckard_: `aptitude changelog`
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[00:03] <deckard_> yes like a change log i guess, i just want to see what is new
[00:03] <deckard_> ty all
[00:11] <foxerr> hello, i'm using GNOME shell and i set the GTK+ theme to Adwaita (which is the default), but i believe the bottom bar colors don't look right in my computer. image here: http://i.imgur.com/2Dc9dN0.png
[00:17] <MangaKaDenza> SUPD DAWGS
[00:17] <MangaKaDenza> I have a tiny problem
[00:17] <MangaKaDenza> I want to play this game
[00:17] <deego> y0 MangaKaDenza
[00:17] <MangaKaDenza> mabinogi
[00:18] <MangaKaDenza> and I have wine installed
[00:18] <MangaKaDenza> but it don't work
[00:20] <MangaKaDenza> ...
[00:20] <MangaKaDenza> hello?
[00:20] <MangaKaDenza> anyone?
[00:21] <daftykins> !wine | MangaKaDenza
[00:23] <MangaKaDenza> ...not what I was looking for
[00:24] <daftykins> MangaKaDenza: it highlights you're in the wrong channel. BYE!
[00:31] <Territoriojoven> What can I do to improve this? http://i.imgur.com/sS2jUi7.png
[00:39] <Territoriojoven> Territoriojoven | What can I do to improve      │ aaas
[00:39] <Territoriojoven>                          | this? http://i.imgur.com/sS2j │ aaearon
[00:39] <Territoriojoven> wot
[00:46] <Marlenee> any CLI search google or bing tools search
[00:53] <daftykins> Marlenee: use lynx
[00:54] <gmachine_24> Greetings. Can I add a line to /etc/fstab so an external USB hard drive will mount to the same place every time I boot the computer? I created the mount point, etc., and have the UUID for the drive but adding a standard line to /etc/fstab doesn't seem to work.
[00:55] <jrib> gmachine_24: just set a label for it and it will get mounted to /media/LABEL
[00:55] <jrib> !label | gmachine_24
[00:56] <gmachine_24> jrib: merci
[00:56] <Marlenee> daftykins : i need advanced tool for google CLI search
[00:56] <GreenyZA> hey guys
[00:56] <daftykins> Marlenee: you come back in here so often with the weirdest requests :(
[00:57] <GreenyZA> hahaha
[00:57] <Marlenee> daftykins : :D its not wierd it just Tool for search
[00:57] <Territoriojoven> what can I do to improve this?                          | Ui7.png
[00:57] <daftykins> Territoriojoven: stop repeating
[00:58] <kxtwo> anyone know what would cause a broken pipe issue when trying to tar my home directory?
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> daftykins: no
[00:58] <daftykins> Territoriojoven: do or get banned :)
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> wow
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> such community
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> wow
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> do it.
[00:58] <FloodBot1> Territoriojoven: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:58] <Territoriojoven> i think i was already banned anyways
[00:59] <daftykins> figures, you seem unpleasant
[00:59] <TJ-> kxtwo: out of space?
[00:59] <kxtwo> doubtful
[01:00] <TJ-> kxtwo: Are you trying to write the output of tar into the directory (or below it)
[01:00] <kxtwo> it is on my old schools system I cd .. back to the home directory then try and tar kxtwo
[01:01] <kxtwo> it made it about a third of the way
[01:01] <kxtwo> its 700 megs worth of stuff I just want to bring to my personal system for future reference
[01:03] <kxtwo> I did just find out what my largest file was though and its .mozilla?  665M.  ANy idea why?
[01:03] <daftykins> cache probably
[01:03] <daftykins> du inside it
[01:04] <kxtwo> well the cache is 606 megs lol
[01:05] <kxtwo> 606M	Cache/
[01:05] <kxtwo> lab46:~/.mozilla/firefox/86z2rgq9.default$
[01:05] <kxtwo> not sure how that happened lol
[01:07] <jboii> hi
[01:08] <jboii> is there a tv app that is free , so i can see sports & other channels ?
[01:10] <redwarriors25> how to fix initramfs of ubuntu 10.04
[01:16] <tkeith_> How can I see why a package was installed (what depended on it)?
[01:18] <Znoosey> tkeith_: I believe you are looking for: apt-rdepends -reverse <packagename>
[01:27] <kxtwo> ok is there anyway to get tar to ignore a file or directory?  for permission purposes I am trying to create the archive inside the directory im archving: tar -zcvf kkrauss1/lab46-kkrauss1.tar.gz kkrauss1/
[01:28] <kxtwo> im assuming it is the cause of this error: kkrauss1/.xsession-errors
[01:28] <kxtwo> tar: kkrauss1: file changed as we read it
[01:28] <TJ-> kxtwo: "man tar"
[01:29] <TJ-> kxtwo: See "--exclude=" although you'd be better off creating it in /tmp/
[01:30] <kxtwo> rah
[01:30] <kxtwo> much better idea thanks
[01:31] <kxtwo> I finally see a good rason for tmp lol
[01:35] <u3> get more help on 512mpx on youtube
[01:36] <Pernicious-Taint> Is there a doctor in the house?
[01:36] <kamil> Народ, есть кто?
[01:42] <kamil> hello, people!
[01:42] <linuxuz3r> hi kamil
[01:43] <kamil> How join  conference in jabber? Somewhere know?
[01:43] <kamil> I trying join, but i see only error =(
[01:53] <hanner> hi, i am trying to eliminate stereo upmix, is anyone available for help? :)
[01:53] <juniour> hi
[01:53] <dr_willis> hmm
[02:12] <foxer> hello, what command-line browser is there for ubuntu?
[02:13] <ghozt> lynx?
[02:13] <foxer> pangolin
[02:13] <Hodapp> elinks, w3m
[02:13] <Guest74303> elinks
[02:13] <foxer> ok, thans
[02:27] <dablya> Hello. I just got a new laptop ASUS x501a and the only way I could get it to dual boot ubuntu was to disable secure boot. I had to run boot-repair from ubuntu in order to get it to boot into windows. I would like to re-enable secure boot now that dual boot works, but when i do, I get security errors.  Is there anything I can do, or is this just not something that is currently supported?
[02:31] <baegle> my resolv.conf is stuck using DNS servers from another network. I've refreshed DHCP but resolv.conf hasn't adopted the DNS settings from the new network. How do I force it?
[02:35] <baegle> I've even removed the file, and network manager recreates it with DNS servers from a network I'm no longer connected to. How the heck do I fix that?
[02:36] <baegle> I've restarted network-manager to no avail
[02:37] <mrrcp> baegle: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-clearflush-dns-cache-in-ubuntu.html
[02:37] <baegle> I can't install nscd because I can't resolve repository hostnames
[02:37] <mrrcp> ah
[02:37]  * baegle wah wah
[02:38] <baegle> besides, that's the DNS cache, not the resolv.conf
[02:38] <mrrcp> sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart
[02:39] <mrrcp> then sudo /etc/init.d/nscd restart
[02:39] <mrrcp> and also sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart
[02:40] <mrrcp> that work for ya?
[02:40] <baegle> the 1st one, no
[02:41] <baegle> I don't have nscd nor dnsmasq
[02:41] <baegle> so neither of those can be run
[02:42] <baegle> and I restarted networking
[02:42] <baegle> and network-manager crashed
[02:42] <mrrcp> so the first option did not work
[02:42] <baegle> and now it can't be started
[02:42] <mrrcp> sounds like you have your settings messed up
[02:42] <baegle> I tell ya, network-manager has been a PITA ever since it was conceived
[02:42] <baegle> My settings are stock
[02:43] <mrrcp> i find it funny that settings are stock and install is stock yet dns is broke
[02:43] <mrrcp> u didnt change anything?
[02:43] <baegle> I haven't done anything
[02:43] <dablya> oh and the reason i disabled secure boot in the first place is because i was getting a blank screen after selecting "install ubuntu"
[02:44] <mrrcp> dablya: you dont need secure boot man
[02:44] <baegle> Yesterday, I went to the office came home, DNS changed no problem between the networks
[02:44] <mrrcp> hmm
[02:44] <baegle> today, I'm suddenly locked on the dns settings of the office
[02:44] <mrrcp> ah
[02:44] <mrrcp> on your lappy?
[02:44] <baegle> only thing that would have changed was some of the updates that came in yesterday
[02:44] <baegle> yes on my lappy
[02:44] <mrrcp> wifi?
[02:45] <mrrcp> or eth0
[02:45] <dablya> mrrcp: so, it's really just a gimmik for microsoft to try and lock out competition?
[02:45] <baegle> wifi at home, cat5 at the office
[02:45] <baegle> but again, now that I've restarted networking, the system is FUBAR
[02:45] <mrrcp> its a pain in the ass is what it is
[02:45] <mrrcp> lol
[02:45] <mrrcp> i hate secure boot
[02:45] <baegle> which has pretty much been the case ever since I installed Ubuntu
[02:45] <mrrcp> and i couldnt help you to fix it
[02:45] <baegle> so I'm thinking I'll just reboot
[02:46] <baegle> and kill ubuntu before the holidays
[02:46] <mrrcp> baegle: have you ifdown?
[02:46] <baegle> and switch back to a stable OS
[02:46] <baegle> it doesn't matter, ifdown won't work
[02:46] <baegle> because networking is fubar
[02:46] <mrrcp> baegle: are you using 12.04?
[02:46] <mrrcp> or 13+
[02:47] <baegle> 13.04
[02:48] <mrrcp> ahhhhh
[02:48] <mrrcp> ok try sudo dhclient -r
[02:48] <baegle> all of my interfaces are down
[02:48] <baegle> because the networking service and network-manager have crashed
[02:49] <baegle> It's quite literally fubar
[02:49] <mrrcp> just a FYI 13.04 is not the most stable
[02:49] <mrrcp> its going to have issues like this
[02:49] <baegle> If I wanted to stay on LTS
[02:49] <baegle> I would just stick to an actually stable OS
[02:49] <baegle> and no, it shouldn't have an unrecoverable network service crash
[02:49] <baegle> for 6 months
[02:50] <mrrcp> well ... im not a ubuntu expert just another user trying to help a user
[02:50] <baegle> but I'm not hear to argue about expectations of stability
[02:50] <baegle> I find it amazing how silent a room with 1600 people is
[02:50] <mrrcp> i was just trying to help.. im out of options
[02:50] <mrrcp> its friday
[02:50] <baegle> I know
[02:50] <Ari-Yang> !patient | baegle
[02:50] <Ari-Yang> :x
[02:50] <mrrcp> Reboot
[02:50] <vine> Fringe is a lot like the xfiles
[02:50] <baegle> Yeah, and reinstall, I know
[03:13] <MangaKaDenza> Help!
[03:13] <MangaKaDenza> again
[03:13] <MangaKaDenza> I'm trying to play TF2
[03:13] <MangaKaDenza> but an error keeps popping up
[03:14] <MangaKaDenza> saying I need some OpenGL stuff
[03:19] <Guest773> hi
[03:27] <JesseH> Hello friends, a buddy of mine says that Ubuntu is for beginners, and all of its users do not know about Linux.
[03:28] <JesseH> What is something I could tell my friend, to save him from future scorn?
[03:28] <luke_> hello all
[03:28] <xangua> !ot | JesseH
[03:28] <luke_> I have a big problem trying to boot ubuntu in a windows 8 environment
[03:28] <JesseH> Oh lord, forgot. Sorry about that
[03:29] <luke_> HP notebook 17, i5-3230 quad, 12GB RAM
[03:29] <luke_> pre-installed windows 8, trying to dual boot Ubuntu 12.04 or 13.04 from GRUB with no luck yet
[03:30] <luke_> It goes to  a black screen, however one time, I heard the trademark ubuntu sound, and connected another computer and I saw the GUI on it, but not on my laptop
[03:32] <XDS2010_> is anyone around that could help proof read 2 paragraphs really quick on a comment for ubuntu edge ?
[03:33] <tylertwo> luke_: what do you mean you "connected another computer"?
[03:33] <XDS2010_> :-/
[03:33] <tylertwo> XDS2010_: proof read grammar or content?
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> XDS2010_:  ther is the offtopic channel and the edge channel
[03:33] <XDS2010_> grammar
[03:34] <XDS2010_> its like 4 sentences long
[03:34] <tylertwo> XDS2010_: i can take a look
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> you should upper case EvErY OtHeR letter. so you look leet. ;)
[03:34] <XDS2010_> tylertwo:  sent. just need to know if i made any spelling mistakes as its been a long day
[03:35] <ghozt>  I kinda of messed up. How can I delete this symbolic link: lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     9 Sep 27 21:13 tools -> LFS/tools
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> rm tools    i belive ghozt
[03:35] <ghozt> still showing up :X
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> is that a file or a directory>
[03:36] <ghozt> um I'm not quite sure lol
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> ln -s bar foo
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> ln -s bar foo
[03:37] <Dr_Willis>  foo -> bar
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> rm foo
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> worked here
[03:38] <XDS2010_> is there a channel dedicated to ubuntu edge or future mobile devices/applications ?
[03:38] <luke_> tylertwo : another monitor
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> !edge
[03:39] <luke_> but in general It is really proving to be hard to get any distro on my machine in UEFI. This is really killing me
[03:39] <luke_> I need linux, and Ubuntu
[03:39] <luke_> help
[03:42] <CarlFK> ghozt: rm should give you an error if it doesn't work
[03:42] <tylertwo> luke_: So everything worked fine when you had that other monitor connected?
[03:43] <Alice-99> I am trying to change my MAC address of ppp0....but it doesn't  appears in the list of macchanger-gtk(Network is turned off) How can I fix it ?
[03:43] <ghozt> rm: cannot remove `tools': No such file or directory
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> ghozt: so its gone? Check with ls   ;)
[03:44] <ghozt> still exists
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> still exists where/how?
[03:44] <ghozt> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     9 Sep 27 21:13 tools -> LFS/tools
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> ls -l tools   shows what
[03:44] <ghozt> no idea :/
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> its owned by root you notice?
[03:45] <ghozt> yea
[03:45] <Alice-99> hello
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> so you have to use sudo to remove/change it
[03:45] <ghozt> yeah. I am
[03:45] <ghozt> ls: cannot access tools: No such file or directory
[03:46] <ghozt> it shows up in ls -l /
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> you just said ls showed. it.. then dident. ?     what commands are you using eactly
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> a pastebin of the whole bash session may help also.
[03:47] <ghozt> ls -l /
[03:47] <B3eF> Whassup
[03:47] <ghozt> is where it is showing up
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> ghozt:  and your rm command was what?
[03:48] <ghozt> sudo rm tools
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> ghozt:  use the right path....
[03:48] <CarlFK> ghozt: do the ls and rm, cut/paste that to to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> its notin the current directory aparently
[03:48] <CarlFK> oh.. ls... /  got it.
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> cd /
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> rm tools
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> ls tools
[03:50] <ghozt> sigh I am retarded
[03:50] <ghozt> thanks Dr_Willis
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[03:52] <Guest21089> fgd
[03:55] <ghost-hacker> :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
[03:58] <crocket> How do I integrate thunderbird/lightning into ubuntu unity?
[04:01] <Vivekananda> hello everyone I am trying to install oursql on ubuntu
[04:01] <Vivekananda> I get this error
[04:01] <Vivekananda> copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/oursql.so -> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
[04:01] <Vivekananda> error: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oursql.so: Permission denied
[04:01] <Vivekananda> what should I do ? I dont wish to change permissions of the system files
 : no
[04:03] <luke_> not at all
[04:03] <luke_> I could not see what I needed to see to install the hard drive
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Vivekananda:  exactly how are you installing it?
[04:04] <Vivekananda> Dr_Willis: here is the output ---
[04:06] <Vivekananda> https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/6738239
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> [ varun: $~ ]$ pip install oursql
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> dont you need sudo if itsd going to write to system directories?
[04:08] <Vivekananda> lol I am dumb
[04:08] <Vivekananda> sorrry I forgot to use that
[04:09] <Vivekananda> :)
[04:09] <Vivekananda> yes it works
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> thats why i asked for the command - not a paste of e erything ;)
[04:23] <Gazza>  /bye
[04:27] <icedtea> I'm making a configure script whats the best way to tell if upstart is running verses old system v scripts?
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> upstart has a way where it emulates the old sysv stuff i belive. so sysv scripts should work also.
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> you mean to has how to tell if the system  is uising Upstart or SysV?
[04:28] <icedtea> Dr_Willis: correct
[04:28] <Dr_Willis> if its ubuntu - its using upstart ;)
[04:29] <icedtea> its a configure script that will run on many systems, fedora, centos, debian, ubuntu, etc. etc.
[04:29] <icedtea> I know I can check for the existence of /etc/init and /sbin/initctl
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> use lsb_release perhaps to check what disrto it is?
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> thats how most config tools work from what ive seen
[04:33] <icedtea> I could take that route
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> there may be some 'posix'  perfered way ;)
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> did i spell that right ;)
[04:37] <Fooguate> Come join us we are doing a HackerSpace Hangout https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2547fa565b7ebd2d098e4335e11c98bca430cb0e
[04:39] <B3eF> Whats up guys
[04:40] <dharmaturtle> I'm getting a "No such file or directory" for a random file when I type "ls" into the console http://i.imgur.com/BFeMNFc.png
[04:40] <kassy> I am bigginer ubuntu
[04:40] <dharmaturtle> ^C is to stop the ~80k files from filling the screen. Any ideas what's going on?
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> ls *    see if its there perhaps?
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> 80k files.
[04:40] <dharmaturtle> -bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> yep with * that makes sence
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> tab cmpletion. ;) but thatg may break with 80k files
[04:41] <kassy> bonjour je suis de tokyo
[04:42] <dharmaturtle> Well,  I can't open the file with "less", nor can I "rm" it.
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> ls  Iran*      perhaps
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> are , allowed in file names? could be thats an issue
[04:43] <Impossible> how do i install gtk dependencies
[04:43] <dharmaturtle> all the files have a , in them :(
[04:43] <Impossible> i cant ./configure the new gtk
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> does ls Iran* show it?
[04:44] <kassy> je cherces une guys qui de france
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> !fr
[04:45] <kassy> Excusez-moi
[04:46] <icedtea> Puis-je avoir des frites françaises
[04:47] <dharmaturtle> Yes, I see it with Iran* as seen here: http://imgur.com/BPlVWi8
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> its easier to read text pastes not image pastes of a few lines of text. ;)
[04:47] <omgeek> Hey all
[04:47] <dharmaturtle> x_x yeah I could do that
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> single quotes around the file name should work in most cases dharmaturtle
[04:47] <omgeek> Anything new
[04:48] <omgeek>  Some good news
[04:48] <omgeek> I come back after a long time
[04:48] <dharmaturtle> when I do "Iran, 12*" it gives ls: cannot access Iran, 12*: No such file or directory
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> qoteing * means its looking for theat exact file . ;) with a * in thename
[04:49] <omgeek> What is iran its a country name
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> dharmaturtle: tab completion can escape the fancy characters  i recall.
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> ls Iran<tab>
[04:50] <Guest89200> I just installed 13.10 beta 2...i have nvidia gt540m and intel graphics in my laptop(optimus)...cant seem to get it working
[04:50] <omgeek> Yeah basic of linux is going on
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> Guest89200:  see #ubuntu+1 for 13.10
[04:51] <Guest89200> ok...thanks
[04:51] <omgeek> My Ubuntu 12.04 Lts is not working
[04:51] <omgeek> Its graphical
[04:52] <omgeek> Interface
[04:52] <omgeek> Is not working
[04:52] <omgeek> I try to access right now using recovery mode only
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> tell the channel exactly what it is doing when you boot up and try to log in.
[04:53] <omgeek> So any help how my GUI can be resumed back
[04:53] <crocket> Does anyone know how to integrate thunderbird/lightning into ubuntu calendar?
[04:53] <omgeek> Okay I have dell machine ..when I start grub loader comes
[04:54] <omgeek> When go to the menu it go for Ubuntu
[04:54] <omgeek> Its gui not coming
[04:54] <kassy> Au revoir
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> what  menu? You mean the lightgm login screen?
[04:54] <omgeek> No that doesn't come
[04:55] <omgeek> Only 5 dots
[04:55] <omgeek> That usually comes and blink
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> and has ths sytem ever worked?
[04:55] <omgeek> Before login screen
[04:55] <omgeek> Yes
[04:55] <omgeek> I working it since last 1 year
[04:55] <omgeek> Using recovery mode options in grub
[04:56] <omgeek> I accessed it CLI
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> try the text  mode.
[04:56] <omgeek> Backup my data
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> !text
[04:56] <omgeek> Sure
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> then try to start the lightdm service and look for error mesages
[04:57] <omgeek> Okay I am reaching in a hour to office after I do same and tell you error msg
[04:57] <omgeek> Right now
[04:57] <omgeek>  I am using irc using my phone
[04:58] <juboba> I can't hibernate, how can I check for errors?
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> suspend to ram? or to disk? I thought hibernate was disabled by default. and requires swap partition greater then your ram size
[05:07] <tim> Help...fresh install of ubuntu 12.04....can't get flash to work!!!!
[05:08] <AiriA> tim: what browser are you using?
[05:09] <tim> firefox and google chrome...can't get either to work
[05:10] <AiriA> I cant remember right now (sorry its really late) if Ubuntu by default comes with flash, so you will need to install.
[05:11] <AiriA> You can run a command line command to install and then should work: Open command line (ctrl+alt+t)
[05:11] <AiriA> Then type in: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> !flash
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> flash is not included by default
[05:11] <genii> Enable multiverse, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:12] <Dr_Willis>  the ubuntu-restricted-extras package can pull  in flash ;)
[05:12] <AiriA> Yeah, I didnt think it was...its been a while since I had to install it lol
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> clarify whats 'not working' with flash also.
[05:12] <AiriA> Youtube wont play? lol
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> 'not able to install' ?  ' installed but somthing weird happends..' and so on
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> Youtube - you can use html5 for many videos
[05:13] <genii> AiriA: That's the usual complaint...
[05:13] <tim> can't see videos on youtube.com
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> google-chrome also includes its own flash
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> tim:  so you did install flash? if so How?
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> i use flash download-manager tools for firefox so i rarely play flash in thebrowser any more
[05:15] <tim> installed from adobe site
[05:18] <Biomechd> hey guys, i want to switch the "user" i use to access files on the network host computer in my home. can i do that without logging out of/restarting the host computer?
[05:20] <eth0_up> how do i mount a partition with exec?
[05:20] <eth0_up> i tried adding exec in fstab
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> eth0_up:  what sort of filesystem?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> im not sure 'exec' is a legimate option. ;)  just noexec
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Biomechd:  one way  use the 'su' or 'login' command to change to the new user
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> and access the stuff via the shell
[05:29] <eth0_up> i'm trying to launch steam it says "Couldn't set up Steam data - please contact technical support"
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> you are using  the native linux steam client? or wine and the steam.exe ?
[05:35] <eth0_up> native linuc steam client
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> id check the steam linux support forums and channels then. may be a known bug
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> !steam
[05:36] <eth0_up> alright thanks
[05:56] <helmut_> hi
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> moo
[06:10] <arvnd> I'm new to Ubuntu, We have setup a production susyem on 12.10 instaed of on 12.04 lts. the system faced issue with dependencies and now stuck on boot screen. I need to do a grub reapir
[06:10] <arvnd> need help on it
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> try the boot-repair tool from a live cd
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[06:16] <arvnd> Thank you
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> !12.10
[06:17] <dreamon> hello. friend of mine broke a "update" maybe he means a "update from 11.10 to 12.04". so now he cant boot anymore. I started with livecd an chroot the system. tried to make some apt-get update/upgrades ... but every time i get "E: Internal Error, No file name for libuuid1" nothing is installed. What can I do? Or is there no hope?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> may be fastest to backup his imporntant data. then do a clean install
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> if you stopped a system upgrade in mid-process.. that can be very very bad.
[06:20] <dreamon> Dr_Willis, I dont know what he installed.. i think he could loss some programms.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> you can alweays reinstall stuff from the repos
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> cant say that ive ever 'lost'  a program
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> at least not on ubuntu. ;)
[06:21] <dreamon> If he used a ppa?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> look at the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/   then
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> if he cant rember what he insgtalled.. makes me wonder if he really needed what he installed ;)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> !clone
[06:23] <dreamon> Dr_Willis, I will do so. Thanks
[06:25] <dreamon> Last question. How can I compress the Home to a NTFS that I can unpack it to the new installed system easyly
[06:25] <SupaSol> Hello here
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> !info arc
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> !info ark
[06:26] <xeeder> hi everyone :) i am using this samsung HDD on my laptop; and i often hear this click plus lock sound. i think its the HDD sound; its strange that while this happens system works normally. Can anybody tell me how can i check my HDD? is there any tool which can tell me more about this issue or check my HDD in depth for any errors or any thing bad that can happen in future?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> theres gui arvhive tools in the repos. or use the command line tar/bzip tools.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> xeeder:  could be the disk has not been accessed for a while and is locking/sleeping. then spins back up when you access it again
[06:28] <xeeder> Dr_Willis: its a short beep plus lock; not click plus lock. sorry for error..
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> the system is beeping?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever sene that
[06:30] <xeeder> beep lasts for 1/10th of a second or so; no system doesnt. it looks to me that it comes from the dvd-rw. i have searched online for that and lots of user with this laptop are facing this error. so i was wondering if there is any tool in ubuntu that might help in figuring this out
[06:30] <dreamon> xeeder, There are different noises. I thought all are bad. Since I had a hdd that made 1 or 2 noises the day. how often do you hear it?
[06:31] <xeeder> dreamon: randomly; mostly while i am watching movies but that may be because i only use my laptop for watching movies
[06:32] <dreamon> xeeder, how often.. the day?
[06:32] <xeeder> dreamon: as i said randomly; it may not happen in a day or may happen twice or thrice.
[06:33] <darkangel> Hey just woundering what are Linux-backports-kernels?
[06:33] <dreamon> xeeder, I have this too..
[06:33] <xeeder> the strangest thing is that: system works completely normal! :O
[06:33] <xeeder> dreamon: are you using dell n5110?
[06:34] <dreamon> xeeder, I check the harddisk for errors.. nothing. I copied the hole thing.. No errors. So I ignored for about a 1year :)
[06:34] <xeeder> or a samsung drive HM641J1
[06:34] <dreamon> xeeder, No its an Acer Notebook. Think it is a Hardware thing..
[06:35] <xeeder> dreamon: one thing i can tell you for sure is that: Its not nothing!
[06:35] <xeeder> dreamon, i did check with my dell bios diagnostics utility and found no errors..
[06:36] <dreamon> here is it a double noise.. a hard click and something like a scratching thing.. an noise is ending
[06:36] <genii> !info linux-image-generic precise-backports
[06:36] <genii> Hm.
[06:37] <dreamon> xeeder, I dont believe all the tools out there I made ddrescue.. so I can see if there is any error.
[06:37] <xeeder> dreamon, no mine is like this: quick sharp beep which is followed by a lock sound (more of a click)
[06:38] <Pingu> hey
[06:38] <xeeder> dreamon, i was in the university where most of my class fellows were using Dell laptop (with samsung drives) and most of them end up with smart failure
[06:40] <xeeder> i dont want that; so thats why i wanted to make sure if its anything related to my HDD failure. I will really appreciate if someone can tell me about a good tool or utility that can scan my HDD for any kinda failures or can predict with some accuracy.
[06:40] <dreamon> I like if the hdd goes slowly with bad sectors to grave. The fast thing I hate ;)
[06:40] <darkangel> linux-headers-lbm-3.2.0-54-generic???
[06:40] <darkangel> whats that?
[06:40] <tux3> hello guys
[06:40] <xeeder> dreamon, yeah; seagate sucks!!!
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> always assume a hard drive is going to fail soon. ;) make backups
[06:40] <rev2d0tohn0> hey room quick question is ubuntu phone still going to happen?
[06:41] <xeeder> samsung drives are often rebranded (these are seagate drives if you search more)
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> rev2d0tohn0:  we cant predict the future ;)
[06:41] <rev2d0tohn0> ...:)thnks
[06:41]  * genii consults the Magic 8 Ball
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> i dont belive anything - untill i see it happen
[06:41] <xeeder> Dr_Willis: can you tell me any utility you know that can check my drives for errors?
[06:41] <JohnVonNeumann> i get this message at restart"continue to wait,press S to skip mounting or press M for manual recovery"
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> xeeder:  i rarely check mine. ;)
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  it then boots? or does it wait fore er?
[06:43] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis:  only if i press s
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  check your /etc/fstab file for an incorrect entry then
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[06:44] <xeeder> another thing which i have noticed is that if some HDD is going to have smart failure then windows OS wont install on that; it will show some yellow warning as it happens during Windows 7 installation. but if that same drive is used for Ubuntu installation then it works fine. :O
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> smart 'prediction' is often not the reliable
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> google did a big study about it a few years back
[06:45] <xeeder> Dr_Willis: but it does freak you out :P
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> i assume hds will die at any time. and always have backups
[06:45] <xeeder> what do you use for backups? cloud storage?
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> redundant stacks of external USB hds. ;)
[06:46] <llutz> xeeder: HDDs :)
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> cloud for some stuff
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> nothing i have is business-critical
[06:46] <xmetal> i wondered for those that have their main drive images on the "cloud" ... how the heck do they think they will get online to restore those images
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> if i loose a HD - i got a spare in another room with the same copys of the wifes tv shows and so forth
[06:47] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis: http://dpaste.com/1398749/
[06:48] <xeeder> i just got 1TB WD passport and right now i am backing up my all stuff; is there any tool which can help me clean everything of my HDD; i know when data is deleted its still there; so i want to clean everything (every single byte)
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  yep. thats a fstab file. comment out the drive thats failing perhaps?  the error message should say what entry is invalid
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> those entries seem weird. at the end.
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ver seen one  like
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> /dev/disk/by-uuid/E6E0E017E0DFEC35 /media/My2Files auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> note how the ones above it use the UUID= type nameing
[06:50] <llutz> Dr_Willis: same thing, different naming. it should work both
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> just looks weird. ;)
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> never seen  x-gvfs-show  either
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> im too old skool i guess
[06:53] <xeeder> i know there is something called sanitizer but dont know if there is any available for ubuntu
[06:53] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis: it's /sdb3 ,but i wanna get it mounted
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  i would guess that the entry for it is wrong some how
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> tell it to not  mount at boot time. and try mounting it after the system s booted.
[06:54] <R0b0t1> Hey, I'm using lubuntu, but I figure it should be similar. I want to set up another user as a sandbox, how do I give them an encrypted home?
[06:54] <xeeder> there are some tools in hiren's boot CDs. but i have never tried those. are these safe to use for HDD cleaning?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> xeeder:  nothing is ever 100% safe ;)
[06:55] <R0b0t1> xeeder, if it can access the disk it's probably safe to "clean" with it.
[06:55] <llutz> xeeder: wipe, shred, sucure-delete, dd, .... shouldn't those do?
[06:55] <R0b0t1> But, beware of solar storms and the like. Those are unsafe :)
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> pay attention to what the tools are doing.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> xeeder:  if you are worrined about secure deletion.. from what ive seen.. its not really worth worrying about
[06:56] <xeeder> llutz, yeah those should but what should be the recommended utility which can be used to use these commands?
[06:56] <xeeder> Dr_Willis: thanks :)
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> we have this discusion/argumentnt in here every so often.
[06:56] <R0b0t1> Dr_Willis, actually, I remember this good article/paper I read, they tested various delete schemes
[06:57] <llutz> to be continued in #computer-esotherics
[06:57] <R0b0t1> after basically one zero write you couldn't tell either way
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> yep. zero it.. and keep the tinfoil in the kitchen. not on your head.
[06:58] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis:  yep,2 tell u the truth ,i tried to edit it to mout /sdb3 an  /media/My4Files
[06:58] <R0b0t1> Hey, I'm using lubuntu, but I figure it should be similar. I want to set up another user as a sandbox, how do I give them an encrypted home?
[07:00] <xeeder> i might be looking into some good alternative for bitlocker too; one thats easily accessible in multiple platforms.
[07:01] <llutz> R0b0t1: if you already created the user, "ecryptfs-migrate-home" is the tool iirc
[07:02] <R0b0t1> llutz, will try
[07:02] <R0b0t1> not been created yet but a separate command seems like what it'd be
[07:03] <xeeder> basically i want to encrypt my HDD drives as a whole ; so that when i need to access files, i have to provide password and it should remain unlock for as long as the system is active; but it should be locked when i restart my system. if you are familiar with bitlocker than thats exactly what it does.
[07:03] <llutz> R0b0t1: adduser --encrypt-home username
[07:03] <R0b0t1> snazzy
[07:05] <arvnd> Im not able to mount a encrypted HDD from the live cd
[07:05] <arvnd> Ant tips on how that can be done >
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com may have a guide arvnd  - ive sene that question asked beofr. but never really seen a quick anser/guide mentioned
[07:11] <R0b0t1> How can I launch a program from a su'd user into my wm?
[07:13] <xeeder> I want to encrypt my HDD drives as a whole so that when i need to access files, i have to provide password and it should remain unlock for as long as the system is active; but it should be locked after i have restarted the system. if you are familiar with bitlocker than thats exactly what it does. is there any software which can be helpful for this^ ?
[07:14] <EricKit> Hello.  I have a question I have not been able to solve on the forums or by looking online.  Whenever I restart my Ubuntu, my touchpad works.  If I start it from a clean boot it doesn't work.  So I have to start up, then restart to get it to work.  I have a Lenovo Twist, and the touch screen always works.
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  try this touchpad-toggle script i got from somewhere...
[07:17] <Dr_Willis>   touchpad-toggle
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6165822/
[07:17] <EricKit> Thanks Dr_Willis
[07:19] <R0b0t1> How can I launch a program from a su'd user into my desktop?
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> befor you sudo, you can use 'gksudo'  - you may need to sudo via 'sux' as an easy way to launch x apps later.
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> otherwise you may get into permissions and security issues.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> you may ned to run 'xhost + localhost'  as the user running the desktop. and export the DISPLAY variable as the su'ed user
[07:21] <R0b0t1> Dr_Willis, cool thanks
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> befor running the app
[07:21] <R0b0t1> does this maintain sandbox though?
[07:22] <R0b0t1> X as a protocol leaks horrendously
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> no idea what you mean by 'sandbox'
[07:22] <sahil__> greeting everyone
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> that xhost + command basically turns off the X security stuff ;)
[07:22] <max64> is it different to download ubuntu 13.10 beta 2 and downloading the official release on 17 october?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> max64:  you can upgrade to final
[07:22] <sahil__> my system hae qute a many broken packges
[07:23] <R0b0t1> Cool yeah that worked
[07:23] <max64> Dr_Willis:if i download beta 2 is it dangerous in security?  it has many bugs?  if i upgrade on 17 october will i download another 800 mega bytes or just updates?
[07:23] <sahil__> my system has quite a many broken packages.... removing them from synaptic removes some important acakeges as well what should i do?
[07:24] <max64> i'm so happy that beta 2 is available
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> remove the broken. reinstal what you need
[07:24] <llutz> max64: #ubuntu+1 for saucy questions
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> max64:  the term beta - really dosent mean much these days. you could have been using 13.10  for the last few weeks if you wanted to
[07:25] <EricKit> I'm running 13.10
[07:25] <EricKit> It's stable to me
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> been running it here for the last month or so. ;P no issues that ive seen. so hopefully thats a good sign for everyone else. in a few weeks
[07:25] <xmetal> next upgrade I do will be one of the LTS releases though I haven't decided which OS yet
[07:25] <xmetal> (have two ideas really)
[07:26] <max64> Dr_Willis:i need to installubuntu 13.10 .. you advice me to download beta 2 now or to wait till 17 october?  thanks
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> max64:  id really shouldent matter - as i said you will upgrade to the final when it comes out
[07:26] <EricKit> Dr. Willis: I have a new issue.  My keyboard stops working as well after a shutdown, so there isn't much I can do.  These issues do not occur after a reboot.  Strange
[07:26] <sahil__> important pacages includes libgl1-mesa-dev,libx11-dev,libext-dev,libxt-dev,lightDM,messa-common-dev,greeter etc...
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  no idea on that. you may want to set up ssh so you can ssh in from a differfnt place and try to diagnoise stuff.
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> sahil__:  -dev packages should be easy to reinstall.
[07:27] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: I can ssh into it, what would you check?
[07:27] <max64> Dr_Willis:i'm sorry .. my last question is: if i upgrade will it download 860 mega bytes or just updating some packages less than 200 mega bytes?  thanks
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> bigger question is why things got broken
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> max64:  no idea.
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> i tend to upgrade the day befor release.. then wait a week or two ;)
[07:28] <max64> ty
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> on release days - the servers are normally so overloaded.. its a pain to install and get things setup ;)
[07:29] <jmgk> hm
[07:42] <hzyg> gg
[07:42] <hzyg> question
[07:42] <ObrienDave> !ask | hzyg
[07:43] <hzyg> dsad
[07:44] <hzyg> help
[07:44] <hzyg> !help
[07:44] <ObrienDave> hzyg... what is your question, please
[07:45] <pratz> Hello guys
[07:46] <pratz> I am using ubuntu 12.04 and have installed conky. Conky shows ups on desktop, which is cool. Can I bind conky to a key so that it can toggle ?
[07:46] <Calinou> pratz: probably possible, but I don't know how
[07:46] <pratz> hmmm
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> make a script that starts conky, then kills it if its running
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> but why bother. ;)
[07:50] <hoverboard> aloha
[07:50] <wylde> could possibly use wmctrl?
[07:51] <pratz> wylde: but I am using xfce, will it work with dfce ?
[07:51] <pratz> *xfce
[07:51] <wylde> ummm yes
[07:52] <arunpyasi> guys which server is fast for Qatar?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> there used to be a mirrorselect tool  - not sure if it still exists
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> !find mirrorselect
[07:53] <max64> you need downloading ubuntu?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> !find mirror-select
[07:55] <ObrienDave> arunpyasi... using a torrent client would probably be the fastest way to D/L Ubuntu
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> torrents to get the isos = best way ;)
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> faster for you. less server load  for everyone else
[07:57] <arunpyasi> hello
[07:57] <arunpyasi> !find mirror-select
[07:57] <arunpyasi> guys
[07:57] <arunpyasi> help me
[07:58] <arunpyasi> ObrienDave: I mean to download mirror software packages
[07:58] <jmgk> yes ar what is issue
[07:58] <ObrienDave> arunpyasi... we are trying to help you
[07:59] <arunpyasi> ObrienDave: I want to select the fastest mirror for apt-get
[07:59] <ObrienDave> arunpyasi... usually the closest mirror to you is the fastest
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com may have some tips on picking the best mirrors also
[08:01] <arunpyasi> ObrienDave: yes bro but which is the closest mirror man
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/39922/how-do-you-select-the-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line
[08:03] <xeeder> I want to encrypt my HDD drives as a whole so that when i need to access files, i have to provide password and it should remain unlock for as long as the system is active; but it should be locked after i have restarted the system. if you are familiar with bitlocker than thats exactly what it does. is there any software which can be helpful for this^ ?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> !info netselect
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> !find netselect
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> hmm. interesting use of 'mirror' in apt to auto select closest  server
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> http://namhuy.net/1040/how-to-update-and-upgrade-with-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line.html
[08:08] <Jordana-Watson> Hi guyz, Is there any s/w I can use to tunnel all TCP connections through Socks protocol through port 9150 ???
[08:08] <Jordana-Watson> Hi guyz, Is there any s/w I can use to tunnel all TCP connections through Socks protocol ??
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> xeeder:  search engins say see 'truecrypt'
[08:09] <Jordana-Watson> !truecrypt
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> !info redsocks
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/redsocks/
[08:11] <Jordana-Watson> But how can I set the socks proxy to localhost and port 9150 ???
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> !info tcpsocks
[08:12] <llutz> !info tsocks
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> Redirect traffic to SOCKS5 server with iptables, epoll based, single threaded.  https://github.com/vi/tcpsocks
[08:12] <Jordana-Watson> same problem in tsocks
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> what problem?
[08:13] <Jordana-Watson> I want to tunnel all connections through n/w .. ie, localhost:9150 (socks)
[08:13] <Jordana-Watson> I want to tunnel all connections through tor n/w .. ie, localhost:9150 (socks)
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> you looked at the docs for tsocks or redsocks yet?
[08:14] <Jordana-Watson> I am not that much experienced in these kinds of stuffs..so plz help me
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> iptables rules are mentioned at the redsocks web site i notice
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> I dont use the tools. so googling for you was all i have been doing.
[08:15] <EricKit> Okay Dr_Willis: I am still having this keyboard and mouse issue after a shutdown.  I have SSH'd into it, what do you think I should look at?
[08:15] <Jordana-Watson> let me check..thnx in advance
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  dmesg command outpuit. and see  perhaps  see if lsusb shows the devices
[08:16] <ObrienDave> Jordana-Watson... configuring Tor as an exit relay WILL get you banned from freenode
[08:16] <mvk> i'm using ubuntu, but i really need google-drive
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> ive seen unofficial google-drive clients for ubuntu
[08:17] <mvk> can anyone recommend me a hassle-free solution, that i dont have to look after?
[08:17] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: Would you like me to pastebin the output?
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> no idea how well any work.
[08:17] <mvk> i found grive, https://github.com/Grive/grive
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  i doubt if i can tell much from them . :) and im on my phone. so reading a 100 page dmesg log is a pain
[08:17] <mvk> but it cannot auto sync :D
[08:18] <Jordana-Watson> ObrienDave : oh/.....I don't know that..
[08:18] <ObrienDave> Jordana-Watson... trust me. it happened to me
[08:18] <wylde> !info grive
[08:18] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: Yes that makes sense.  I do'nt see the touchpad or keyboard in it
[08:18] <jay> Can't believe Google hasn't made an official client for Linux yet.
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  if you can get it working. see what modules are loaded. then compare the list with whats loaded when its not working
[08:19] <Jordana-Watson> ObrienDave: ok...I will connect to IRC via direct connection
[08:20] <Jordana-Watson> I have installed redsocks, so how can I configure redsocks with tor ???
[08:20] <wylde> mvk: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/09/mount-google-drive-in-linux-with-google.html
[08:21] <ObrienDave> Jordana-Watson... check with the Tor website or forums
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> !tor
[08:21] <ObrienDave> !tor-sasl
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> i thought tor worked with privoxy or whatever it was called.
[08:21] <Jordana-Watson> not mentioned in tor webpage...(about redsocks)
[08:21] <jay> I wouldn't trust Tor any longer.
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> i never really trusted tor. ;)
[08:22] <Jordana-Watson> yeah but privoxy only works for http
[08:22] <mvk> thanks wylde !
[08:22] <jay> The FBI admitted they actively work to sabatoge and subvert Tor.
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> jay:  thats what keeps everyone on their toes! ;)
[08:23] <Jordana-Watson> what u mean tor is insecure ???
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> Jordana-Watson:  tor is about anonimity. not security ;)
[08:23] <chattr> jay: the FBI compromised and seized sites accessible only through tor. if they compromised tor itself, link please?
[08:23] <Jordana-Watson> can Cyber police / or somebody trace us
[08:23] <manik_> hey
[08:23] <ObrienDave> Jordana-Watson... NOTHING is totally secure
[08:23] <llutz> Dr_Willis: _was_ about anonymity
[08:24] <Jordana-Watson> yeah sure
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> there was a bit  thing about tor security issues a few weeks (months?) ago
[08:24] <chattr> there was a problem when people on Windows were using out-of-date tor packages
[08:24] <jay> If you're paranoid enough to use Tor, you should be paranoid enough NOT to use Tor.
[08:24] <manik_> Can anybody suggest me a Adobe Flash Player add-on alternative? Pretty much broken here.
[08:24] <ObrienDave> jay... so true ;)
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> manik_:  i just use the flash downloader etensions - to download most videos
[08:25] <manik_> Dr_Willis Downloading each isn't the best option for me...
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> manik_:  there used to be an extension tha tplayed the videos in mplayer, or vlc. but i think its no longer udated.
[08:26] <manik_> Dr_Willis there must be some other add-ons for playing flash
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> google-chrome has its own flash also
[08:26] <manik_> yes, but doesn't work too well for me Dr_Willis
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> the 3 ways i mentioned so far about cover it all.
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com may have other ideas.
[08:27] <manik_> oh, okay
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> i use flash downloaders in firefox. or google-chrome  mainly
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> that vlc-flash thing -  i bhttps://github.com/vi/tcpsockselive stopped being developed over a year+ ago
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> oops.. silly paste
[08:30] <manik_> got it
[08:30] <jay> Anyone ever donated to an open source project?
[08:31] <llutz> !ot | jay sure
[08:31] <jay> Not counting bitcoins...real money :p
[08:31] <jay> yeah, ot. My bad
[08:34] <EricKit> Dr_Willis:  I have compared the two scripts.  There are several scripts that are missing when boot up from a cold boot vs. when I restart the computer.
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  differnt modules. Hmm.. try loading them all :) and se eif the stuff starts working. could be some odd hardware quirk where the stuff is not detected so the modules dont load
[08:35] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: They are Touchpad model, SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad, psmouse serio2 and serio1, and IBM TrackPoint
[08:38] <jay> What can extract a .ace archive?
[08:38] <llutz> !info unace
[08:41] <ObrienDave> jay... try unace-nonfree
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> then thers front ends that would use the unace command if you want a gui
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> !info unp
[08:50] <llutz> unp has a gui now?
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> well its a front end
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> and its a must  hav e tool ;)
[08:51] <llutz> but still not a gui, isn't it? :)
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> if its in a xterm yes. ;)
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> i dont even use any of the other tools
[08:52] <llutz> most simple gui ever, xterm
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> Im still trying to figure out how wine's winrar.exe got assoicated with .iso files on my one machine
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> we had someone in here mad that ubuntu wanted $$ to access the iso.. and it was winrar on windows opening the iso ;)
[08:53] <EricKit> So now why would my laptop's moue and keyboard not be detected after a cold start, but it is detected after a reboot?  I checked /proc/bus/input/devices and it only shows the touchpad after a restart
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> that was demanding money
[08:53] <Rory> Dr_Willis: I love it
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  some hardware is not getting initilized properly would be my guess. ive seen the reverse of that with a sound card once.
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> Cold boot -> it worked - reboot from windows -> failed.
[08:54] <jboii> http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/176/c/0/arch_linux_xfce4_by_4bidden404-d54u472.png
[08:54] <jboii> how can i get my desktop look like that?
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  try loading the moduels by hand if they fail.. and see if the devices show up
[08:55] <aeon-ltd> jboii: find the theme for xfce?
[08:55] <aeon-ltd> jboii: kinda a big question you're asking
[08:55] <ObrienDave> jboii... umm, use that .png as a background image?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> take that screenshot - make it your wallpaper ;) and hide all your panels..
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> looks like rather straight forward xfce with 2 panels configured how they wanted
[08:57] <aeon-ltd> jboii: if you found the image usually the user writes the themes and packages they used in the description, or they are active on forums and such so you can ask them
[08:57] <ObrienDave> or you can install arch ;)
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> i dont really see whats so special about the setup in that image
[08:59] <ObrienDave> eye candy LOL
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> i dont even see much of that
[08:59] <llutz> why would one want an archlinux-logo on is *buntu-desktop?
[08:59] <ObrienDave> they must like it for some reason
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> looks like that fraanzea icon theme
[09:00] <aeon-ltd> llutz: well you'd be surprised
[09:00] <ObrienDave> after being on this channel for 2 years, NOTHING surprises me anymore
[09:01] <aeon-ltd> llutz: there are a lot of windows users who used to want xp/vista to look like osx usually including the 'space' themed default BGs of osx
[09:03] <aeon-ltd> it's kinda odd though, with the absolute freedom to customize on linux users could make a desktop tailored for everything they want/need
[09:03] <llutz> aeon-ltd: odd people do odd things
[09:04] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: How do I tell which module it is that I'm supposed to load? I'm comparing lsmod for both examples right now
[09:04]  * Dr_Willis goes back to using Hanna-Montanna-Linux
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  load all of them that are not loaded?
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> if that dosent work. that points to the hardware actually not being detected by the kernel, if it does work - it would point to some bug where the hardware is detected but the modules are not getting autoloaded
[09:06] <seba4> Morning 2 all
[09:06] <seba4> One question hope someone knows what it could be
[09:06] <seba4> i setup mail with postfix dovecot
[09:06] <jboii> werent any info on how to install it
[09:07] <seba4> and i tried to send with:    mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:07] <seba4> i just skip at cc
[09:07] <seba4> and then is subject and text..
[09:07] <jboii> myunity is not available on the ubuntu version that works only 9 months ?
[09:07] <seba4> i cant end it only with ctrl d
[09:07] <seba4> which stops mail
[09:07] <aeon-ltd> seba4: one line of it's hard to read
[09:07] <aeon-ltd> *or
[09:08] <seba4> :) sory
[09:08] <llutz> seba4: single "period" . on a line doesn't end the mail?
[09:08] <seba4> no
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> !info myunity
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> jboii:  it may have a ppa or hompage/download
[09:09] <bazhang> jboii, its unity-tweak-tool
[09:09] <seba4> i could only interrupt mailutils
[09:10] <seba4> does it have any log what is happening.. if there is any error
[09:11] <luser> hello
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> jello
[09:13] <luser> nevermind i solved the problem on my own
[09:13] <luser> Dr_Willis: thanks anyway
[09:14] <EricKit> Dr-Willis: I noticed that psmouse was not loaded.  So I loaded it but still no access to mouse
[09:16] <brittany> Hi guys. I've recently updated to 13.04. I've found that the mouse settings for my touchpad are really strange. There seems to be a purposeful lag before something happens. Such as click-dragging to copy some text or moving a window by its' title bar. I'd like these things to be instant, but they seem to require a wait, or start doing it after I've begun the motion. Does anyone have any idea about this?
[09:16] <llutz> seba4: seems mailutils "mail" does not use the "." while most other mail commands do
[09:16] <seba4> llutz: oh ... how to exit then heh:)
[09:16] <seba4> i can try it even with other utils
[09:17] <llutz> seba4: ctrl-d seems to be the (strange) way
[09:17] <TheMercurio> Hi guys
[09:17] <seba4> yea but ctrl d is interupt
[09:17] <g38> hello
[09:17] <seba4> which just stops the code and returns to console
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  afer loading the modules - check dmesg, to see if the deivves are shown. and se eif they exist in  the /dev/* stuff you mentioned earlier
[09:18] <TheMercurio> I want to share my internet connection to my other devices... But when I create a hosted network it disconnect from the network which I get Internet
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> seba4:  ctrl \   perhaps?
[09:18] <seba4> let me try
[09:18] <TheMercurio> Is there a way to share my wi-fi connection with wi-fi? like Windows?
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> the man pages may mention how else to end it. ;)
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> !ics
[09:19] <seba4> Dr_Willis:  Quit( core dumped)
[09:19] <llutz> seba4: mailutils "mail" quits and sends mail after pressing ctrl-d here
[09:19] <seba4> oh really  thx
[09:19] <g38> There is an ubuntu machine on which I am not root but which I can shutdown from the login screen (I just click on "shutdown" etc). How can I shut it down remotely (via ssh)? I cannot run "sudo shutdown", but surely there must be a way to tell the login programme that I want to shutdown just as if I was in front of the computer?
[09:19] <TheMercurio> Dr_Willis, I read it already but there is no way to share without disconnect...
[09:19] <seba4> lluty: then there is a prob with setup need to try it thx for help
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> ctrl-d is the same as ctrl-\ isent it? been so long since ive used  mail
[09:19] <seba4> llutz: then there is a prob with setup need to try it thx for help
[09:19] <iXeno> hi, I installed both xmonad and fvwm, but when choosing window manager at the login screen, I only get to choose between fvwm and unity...  how do I get xmonad listed there? or can't I?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> TheMercurio:  you got 2 internet cards or just the 1?
[09:20] <TheMercurio> I guess only 1
[09:20] <TheMercurio> but allows hostednetwork, I'm sure.
[09:20] <seba4> one question i tried setting up mail with postfix dovecot mysql.
[09:20] <ObrienDave> brittany... did you update to HD or USB stick?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> iXeno:  make a xmonad.desktop entry  in the xsessions directory for it to run what you want
[09:20] <seba4> what admin app u recommend for mails
[09:20] <llutz> seba4: usually i use mailx (bsd or heirloom), those use the . as expected
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> iXeno:  there may be some guides on askubuntu.com for getting xmonad going right also. (i dont use it)
[09:21] <seba4> llutz: will check it:) Thanks for help.
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> !find xmonad.desktop
[09:21] <g38> for information the machine uses lightdm
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> looks like xmonad should have a .desktop entry allready made.
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> g38:  perhaps the poweroff command? you can set up specific users with rights to run specific commands  in /etc/sudoers
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> with sudoers they dont need full sudo rights (so its a safer way)
[09:24] <johey> If my kernel hangs at boot when using lowlatency, how can I start tracking the problem down? Using Ubuntu 13.04 with official lowlatency kernel package.
[09:24] <llutz> seba4: have a look here, maybe it has what you want http://sourceforge.net/projects/postfixadmin
[09:25] <zomgdocker> hello awesome peolpe. is there a way i can download a minimal ubuntu filesystem so i can run it within LXC?
[09:25] <wilee-nilee> zomgdocker: there is the net install.
[09:26] <zomgdocker> The net install?
[09:26] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: The only module not loaded is psmouse.  I used insmod to load it and the mouse still doesn't work
[09:26] <llutz> !mini | zomgdocker
[09:26] <seba4> llutz: looks fine will check it thx. :)
[09:27] <zomgdocker> Wow. that IS small haha
[09:28] <JohnVonNeumann> i can't get /dev/sdb3 mounted
[09:28] <zomgdocker> But no clue how to install it using lxc. hmm. I sorta just need the filesystem, and not an installer
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  use 'sudo modprobe modulename' that way it pulls in other modules (i think)
[09:28] <llutz> zomgdocker: you want something like usermode-linux or what?
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  psmouse is the ps2 mouse thats also used for most touchpads i think
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  try mounting it by hand. give us the command you are using, and any error messages
[09:29] <brittany> ObrienDave: Hdd.
[09:29] <zomgdocker> llutz, i want to run ubuntu in LXC-START container. But i don't want to mount the parent FS. I want to mount a LVM/block volume. With minimal linux, so i can move it around after wards.
[09:30] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: the I did the modprobe.  It gave no output and the mouse is still not owrking
[09:30] <TheMercurio> Is there a way to share my wireless Internet connection with create wireless ad-hoc?
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  touchpad works?
[09:30] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: Nope
[09:31] <zomgdocker> But maybe i just need to setup a virtual machine, install the minmal cd, and then convert the volume to a block FS.
[09:31] <zomgdocker> The idea is is that i have an isolated environment voor LXC
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  lsusb and lspci dont show the devicves either?
[09:32] <Fly> Hi Guys, I have a problem with Gameing on Linux, Wine, and my Graphics card. Since I need so space to descibe the problemm, i posted it on ubuntu pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6166171/
[09:32] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis: i tried mounting it by pressinr the mount option,here is the error message  ,  http://dpaste.com/1398830/
[09:33] <EricKit> Dr_Willis: They do not.
[09:34] <g38> Dr_Willis, I cannot run sudo poweroff
[09:34] <g38> Dr_Willis, I am wondering about a way to tell lightdm that I have clicked on shutdown
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  try mounting it by hand. and look for error messaqges
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> EricKit:  sounds like the laptop for somereason is not initilizeing the hardware in a way that the kernel can see it.
[09:35] <EricKit> Dr_willis: Thanks, I'll keep researchign
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> g38:  so this is your pc? or you are just a lowly user?
[09:36] <g38> Dr_Willis, I am a lowly user. But I have access to the console everyday, and from there I can shutdown. It's just that right now I'm not physically in front of it.
[09:36] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis: how ?
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> !mount | JohnVonNeumann
[09:37] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis: i tried mounting it by pressinr the mount option,here is the error message  ,  http://dpaste.com/1398830/
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> you could have just pasted the single line of the error message ;)
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> try mounting it by hand giveing it the full set of options. what kind of filesystem is it?
[09:38] <wylde> JohnVonNeumann: mount it in the terminal so you get more useful error messages...
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> g38:  Hmm. wait.. from the text console you can use 'shutdown' but over ssh it wont?
[09:39] <JohnVonNeumann> wylde:  what literallt should i type?
[09:39] <JohnVonNeumann> literally*
[09:40] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: "sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt"
[09:40] <wylde> !mount | JohnVonNeumann -- did you read any of it?
[09:40] <g38> Dr_Willis, no, not from the text console, I mean I can click on "shutdown" from the login screen
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> g38:  thats because the gdm service has rights. So you have no sudo rights at all. :()  there might be some defaut command that lets a user shutdown. but ive never noticed it
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> g38: i doubt if your user will have the rights to do anything directly to gdm either. askubuntu.com may offer some insight. I know of ways to let a user do those commands. but you would need sudo rights to set the ways up.
[09:42] <JohnVonNeumann> deepblue@deepblue-945GCM-S2L ~ $ sudo mount /dev/sdb3/media/My4Files
[09:42] <JohnVonNeumann> [sudo] password for deepblue:
[09:42] <JohnVonNeumann> mount: can't find /dev/sdb3/media/My4Files in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> JohnVonNeumann:  you missed a space in your command...
[09:43] <wylde> JohnVonNeumann: sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /path/to/mount/point
[09:44] <otak> if JohnVonNeumann has the same problem as yesterday, grep sdb3 /etc/fstab will show the wrong fs type
[09:45] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: pastebin your /etc/fstab and the output of "sudo blkid" and "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb"
[09:46] <JohnVonNeumann> Dr_Willis:  ,wylde,otak,llutz   :it's mounted now
[09:47] <JohnVonNeumann> r there any other nessecary changes ?
[09:48] <wylde> JohnVonNeumann: do what llutz asked you then we can tell you
[09:48] <JohnVonNeumann> wylde :ok
[09:52] <ANMAPAFRA> ciao
[09:52] <ANMAPAFRA> !list
[09:53] <eliesin> Is "sudo restart networking" on its own supposed to return the system to its previous state? When I try, I just end up with the loopback interface and none others recognized.
[09:53] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: here   ,  http://dpaste.com/1398855/
[09:56] <eliesin> Alternatively: if I (intentionally) put the system in a non-networked state via "sudo stop networking", how do I restore full networking capabilities as it's done during bootup? At least on this machine, running 13.10 with Intel's wifi chipset, "sudo start networking" does not in fact restore the eth0 and wlan0 interfaces.
[09:57] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: change that last line into "UUID=002d3ce8-abd5-436b-89aa-d03d9241604c /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0"  and try again
[09:58] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: after finishing the fstab-change, do "sudo umount /media/My4Files && sudo mount /media/My4Files"
[09:58] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz :change it to what?
[09:58] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: change that last line into "UUID=002d3ce8-abd5-436b-89aa-d03d9241604c /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0"
[09:58] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: last line of your /etc/fstab
[09:59] <llutz> whatever x-gvfs-show might be
[09:59] <AlbertJB> Hello, I would like to get back my account AlbertJB, I've logged in with SSO and now I am AlbertJB2
[09:59] <JohnVonNeumann> lltutz: ok
[10:00] <AlbertJB> I mean in http://ubuntuforums.org
[10:00] <AlbertJB> I am no able to get back my AlbertJB account?
[10:01] <polter> AlbertJB: join #ubuntuforums
[10:01] <ikonia> AlbertJB: talk to the forum admins
[10:01] <AlbertJB> ok thanks
[10:01] <ikonia> AlbertJB: there is a mail address on the forums website
[10:03] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: here , http://dpaste.com/1398857/
[10:04] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: "sudo blkid -g && sudo blkid /dev/sdb3"    is the shown UUID still the same?
[10:05] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: deepblue@deepblue-945GCM-S2L ~ $ sudo blkid -g && sudo blkid /dev/sdb3
[10:05] <JohnVonNeumann> /dev/sdb3: UUID="002d3ce8-abd5-436b-89aa-d03d9241604c" TYPE="ext4"
[10:06] <matthias_> hi i need your help with a python prorgamm
[10:06] <llutz> and the TYPE JohnVonNeumann
[10:06] <ikonia> matthias_: try #python
[10:06] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: "grep My4 /etc/fstab"
[10:07] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: ext4
[10:07] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: yes sry, seen it too late
[10:07] <matthias_> ikonia: the channel is unregistered
[10:08] <ikonia> matthias_: then register an account and join the real registered channel
[10:09] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: deepblue@deepblue-945GCM-S2L ~ $ grep My4 /etc/fstab
[10:09] <JohnVonNeumann> UUID=002d3ce8-abd5-436b-89aa-d03d9241604c /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[10:09] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: reads fine, no idea then why it fails
[10:10] <ikonia> what is it failing with ?
[10:10] <reisio> probably want that to be 0 1 or 0 2 at the end, though it's not likely to do with whatever your issue is
[10:10] <ikonia> (apologies for being late to the conversation)
[10:10] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: ok,thanx bud.
[10:11] <llutz> ikonia: http://dpaste.com/1398857/ when he mounts manually (umount because we mounted by hand before), his fstab/blkid/fdisk http://dpaste.com/1398855/
[10:12] <ikonia> could it not be as simple as it's damaged ?
[10:12] <ikonia> why is there gfs settings ?
[10:13] <reisio> would it need to be sudo mount UUID=foo, and not mount /mnt/point ?
[10:13] <reisio> wouldn't it*
[10:13] <llutz> reisio: either device/uuid or mountpoint it an fstab-entry exists
[10:13] <llutz> if
[10:13] <reisio> k
[10:14] <reisio> so what happens if you have FSes sharing a mount point in /etc/fstab, I wonder :p
[10:14] <ikonia> it looks as if the superblock is just damaged ?
[10:14] <ikonia> so it can't identify the file system
[10:14] <ikonia> the other partitions mount fine, I assume
[10:14] <llutz> ikonia: damaged? but why could he mount it using "mount /dev/sdb3 /mountpoint"
[10:14] <ikonia> ahh he can actually mount it then
[10:14] <ikonia> I missed the
[10:14] <ikonia> that
[10:14] <ikonia> change fstab to reference /dev/sdb3 and try mount /mountpoint
[10:15] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: to do so,  change that last line of fstab into "/dev/sdb3 /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 1"
[10:15] <hanning> hi, still trying to disable stereo upmixing in ubuntu. it looks like pulseaudio is not the cause. is anyone available for help? :)
[10:15] <reisio> hanning: upmixing?
[10:17] <hanning> stereo upmix is some kind of virtual surround
[10:17] <reisio> hanning: it's trying to output 5.1?
[10:17] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz:  ok,done
[10:17] <hanning> well not exactly 5.1, but i hear stereo music on every speaker
[10:17] <hanning> i'd like to disable that behaviour :/
[10:18] <reisio> ah
[10:18] <ikonia> hanning: some headsets do this internally, are you sure your speaker setup is not doing it
[10:18] <reisio> hanning: and you're sure the media you're accessing isn't mono?
[10:18] <eliesin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/quantal/en/man5/pulse-daemon.conf.5.html says set enable-remixing to "no"
[10:19] <eliesin> (Then send PA the SIGHUP or restart or whatever it needs to pick up changed settings)
[10:19] <hanning> i don't use a headset. i my 5.1-system is plugged in as an analog source.
[10:19] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: to test do "sudo umount /media/My4Files && sudo mount /media/My4Files"
[10:20] <ikonia> whoaaa
[10:20] <hanning> i got multiple OS running on my machine, ubuntu is the only one with that weird stereo upmix ;)
[10:20] <ikonia> actually - that's fine
[10:20] <ikonia> sorry
[10:20] <eliesin> hanning: enable-remixing in pulse-daemon.conf
[10:20] <hanning> already disabled
[10:20] <eliesin> Ah okay
[10:20] <hanning> i think alsa is doing something wrong
[10:20] <hanning> speaker-test on 6 channels is working fine
[10:21] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: umount: /media/My4Files: not mounted
[10:21] <ikonia> ok, so mount it
[10:21] <hanning> i still have upmixing when i output to ALSA directly
[10:21] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: "sudo mount /media/My4Files"
[10:21] <hanning> so..
[10:22] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: deepblue@deepblue-945GCM-S2L ~ $ sudo mount /media/My4Files
[10:22] <JohnVonNeumann> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb3,
[10:22] <JohnVonNeumann>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[10:22] <JohnVonNeumann>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:22] <JohnVonNeumann>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:22] <FloodBot1> JohnVonNeumann: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:23] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: "sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /media/My4Files"
[10:23] <eliesin> Yeah, and ALSA does't appear to have any setting nearly so straightforward.
[10:23] <justaguy> does ubuntu have any support for fingerprint scanners on laptops
[10:24] <eliesin> There are variations of manual channel mappings and an "upmix" plugin AFAICT
[10:24] <ikonia> justaguy: depends on the hardware device
[10:24] <Fly> Hi! I got a problem related to Gaming, Wine, My Graphics Card, and PlayOnLinux. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6166171/
[10:24] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz:  no output
[10:24] <reisio> justaguy: they are of course pathetic as security devices, however :)
[10:24] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: mount|grep sdb3            should give an output
[10:24] <ikonia> Fly: try the play on linux support channel or at a push wine
[10:25] <ikonia> llutz: ok, this looks interesting, nice find
[10:25] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: /dev/sdb3 on /media/My4Files type ext4 (rw)
[10:25] <Fly> ikonia: thank you
[10:25] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: get rid of the x-gvfs-...., change that last line of fstab into "/dev/sdb3 /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail 0 1"
[10:25] <ikonia> Fly: (as in the wine channel at a push)
[10:26] <ikonia> JohnVonNeumann: can we have a look at the line in your fstab as it is now please
[10:26] <ikonia> before you make any more changes
[10:26] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: i have no idea why the fstab entry won't work. only thing is about that gvfs (whatever that is)
[10:26] <justaguy> reisio: some laptops have fingerprint scanners on it, would be sad to not use them instead of writing your password
[10:26] <reisio> justaguy: password is far more secure
[10:26] <hanning> writing your password is actually safer ;)
[10:26] <reisio> incredibly more secure
[10:27] <reisio> although if they have physical access to your machine, actually neither will be enough
[10:27] <llutz> fingerprints are safe [signed: nsa]
[10:27] <hanning> :)
[10:27] <reisio> but a password will be slightly harder to circumvent
[10:27] <eliesin> reisio: fingerprints are left everywhere
[10:27] <faugusztin> most of all, using fingerprint scanner is annoying... "please try again" :D
[10:27] <reisio> eliesin: yup
[10:27] <eliesin> Something more akin to the evil maid attack is necessary for passwords
[10:27] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: ok
[10:28] <reisio> and newer smartphones will be lifting them without your permission :)
[10:28] <justaguy> the only thing why i have protection is so no one opens my facebook while i'm away and writes childish things like "I'm gay!" as status update
[10:28] <reisio> eliesin: which is easily accomplished with physical access, which is what you have if you're dealing with a fingerprint scanner
[10:28] <eliesin> Yeah, the CCC's demonstration regarding that was fun
[10:28] <reisio> CCC? :)
[10:28] <eliesin> German Chaos computer club
[10:28] <reisio> ah
[10:28] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz: /dev/sdb3 /media/My4Files ext4      nosuid,nodev,nofail 0 1
[10:29] <reisio> justaguy: I would totally evil maid your box to do that :p
[10:29] <eliesin> They were the ones who made the news recently showing the iPhone's fingerprint auth could be spoofed with a 2400dpi scanner
[10:29] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: again "sudo umount /media/My4Files && sudo mount /media/My4Files"
[10:29] <reisio> although your password probably isn't even to an encrypted FS, so I wouldn't actually have to evil maid you :p
[10:29] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz:  no output
[10:30] <reisio> eliesin: yeah, naturally, it's a silly way to authenticate
[10:30] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: finally it worked
[10:30] <ikonia> that gfs line isn't happy with ext4
[10:30] <reisio> eliesin: but what is more bothersome than things we already knew is a million potential new ways people will give up their fingerprints without their permission/knowledge
[10:30] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: there is something wrong with the x-gvfs-show option you use.
[10:30] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz:  u think it's done noe?
[10:30] <eliesin> reisio: better in these analysis to assume there's not some random open window elsewhere if one is just talking about securing the front door, for a productive discussion :p
[10:30] <llutz> JohnVonNeumann: i'm pretty sure, yes
[10:30] <JohnVonNeumann> now*
[10:30] <eliesin> *analyses
[10:31] <ikonia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/1011257
[10:31] <ikonia> it's a bug
[10:31] <JohnVonNeumann> llutz:  ok thanx bud.  and sorry 4 the disconvenience
[10:31] <reisio> well, laptops are mobile, and open windows aren't nearly as convenient as even (tumbler) locked doors :p
[10:31] <reisio> but we digress :D
[10:31] <llutz> doesn't work != prevents mounting at all
[10:31] <eliesin> But, yeah, the fingerprint setup seems because of what you suggest, particularly problematic. People only have 10 fingerprints to run through too. Unless they want to take advantage of the iPhone's (and presumably laptop) fingerprint scanners) working on their cats' paws too
[10:31] <llutz> so bug confirmed++
[10:31] <eliesin> Then they have four more
[10:31] <ikonia> llutz: it's a badly written bug for sure, but when you read the content, it's a valid bug that we've just seen here
[10:32] <llutz> ikonia: i should have googled it before... anyways finally it works
[10:32] <chattr> llutz: maybe lines 37, 38 and 39 in http://dpaste.com/1398855/ need editing also (the gfs stuff and 'auto' as a filesystem type)
[10:32] <ikonia> llutz: I just had a quick look on launchpad just to see if it was a bug,
[10:32] <llutz> chattr: those fs seem to mount fine(whyever), so no need to
[10:33] <chattr> llutz: 'auto in the third field is ok? if yes, then TIL
[10:33] <llutz> chattr: its valid, yes
[10:33] <chattr> ty
[10:34] <llutz> gtg, nice weekend all
[10:34] <havv> I'm using lubuntu on a virtual machine (VirtualBox), if I switch it to terminal mode, will it go easier on my computer (memory wise and such)?
[10:34] <ikonia> havv: if you don't run a desktop, it is less work for your machine, yes
[10:35] <eliesin> Memorywise, probably not, though. I believe (maybe I'm wrong) that VirtualBox allocates the entirety of the guest's memory allocation regardless
[10:35] <eliesin> Certainly, if the guest uses less, it can remain paged out
[10:35] <ikonia> of course it will save memory
[10:35] <ikonia> running X11 uses ram
[10:35] <havv> ikonia: can I start it up in terminal mode? I switched it using ctrl+alt+F1
[10:35] <ikonia> havv: you'll need to disable X windows from starting
[10:36] <eliesin> ikonia: well, it should reduce resident size, not address space size (which for VirtualBox I believe is constant however much of it is used)
[10:36] <Iamtougs> but if you run less you can allocate less RAM irrespective of reservation or allocation
[10:37] <ikonia> eliesin: I guess he needs to clarify if it's the guest/host he wants to reduce as I agree it's only the guest
[10:37] <havv> yeah, I was talking about the guest
[10:37] <eliesin> So yeah, to be sure, do what Iamtougs says
[10:37] <Fly> ikonia: but since you can set the guests memory you can save that on the host as well ;)
[10:38] <Iamtougs> just increase and decrease as required over time, if resources are so closely contested
[10:38] <Iamtougs> and you'll find the sweet spot
[10:39] <havv> ikonia: will this http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode do the trick for me?
[10:45] <cricri7> (probably stupid) question: is it possible to install lubuntu alongside ubuntu (on the same machine)?
[10:46] <reisio> cricri7: yup, just install lubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <reisio> each DE's menus might be cluttered, by default, with extraneous items from the other DE
[10:47] <reisio> but you can fix that in various ways
[10:47] <reisio> cricri7: you can also of course do a completely separate installation
[10:47] <reisio> as in two OSes
[10:47] <reisio> but I wouldn't really recommended that, unless you are quite bored
[10:48] <cricri7> and i will be able to choose at startup which one to launch?
[10:48] <arunpyasi> guys how to use Remmina , please help me
[10:48] <eliesin> Searched some. Is looks like "sudo services networking restart" / "sudo restart networking" isn't supposed to kill networking entirely?
[10:49] <arunpyasi> guys how to use Remmina , please help me
[10:49] <reisio> cricri7: yup
[10:49] <cricri7> thank you
[10:49] <reisio> arunpyasi: run it?
[10:50] <arunpyasi> reisio: how to ?? can't configure
[10:50] <reisio> eliesin: restart would likely kill it for a trivial, potentially insignificant amount of time
[10:50] <reisio> eliesin: technically, historically, restarting an init/service actually stops it, and starts it again
[10:50] <reisio> arunpyasi: why can't you configure?
[10:50] <eliesin> reisio: yeah, that part's fine. It's simply not coming back.
[10:50] <arunpyasi> I want to control my friends computer but how??
[10:50] <eliesin> Or, well. The interfaces eth0 and wlan0 aren't
[10:51] <arunpyasi> reisio: its hard than teamviewer
[10:51] <reisio> eliesin: you do an upgrade?
[10:51] <reisio> arunpyasi: it requires more configuration, yes
[10:51] <reisio> arunpyasi: what OS is your friend's computer running?
[10:51] <eliesin> Yes. On Saucy. Initially was on Raring on this installation
[10:51] <arunpyasi> reisio: Ubuntu Quantal
[10:51] <reisio> arunpyasi: that is, it requires more configuration up front, and less over time
[10:51] <reisio> arunpyasi: okay, then you'd be using VNC
[10:52] <reisio> arunpyasi: does your friend have his VNC server enabled?
[10:52] <arunpyasi> yes VNC
[10:52] <arunpyasi> oh
[10:52] <arunpyasi> so the server must be runned in his computer?
[10:52] <reisio> by default it tends to be disabled, as a security/efficiency measure
[10:52] <reisio> yes usually
[10:52] <eliesin> Restarting network-manager works fine. It's just /etc/init/networking that's seems to stay dead
[10:52] <arunpyasi> I installed vnc4server in my computer
[10:52] <reisio> arunpyasi: the server is for connecting _to_
[10:53] <reisio> the viewer for connecting _from_
[10:53] <arunpyasi> oh ok
[10:53] <reisio> he needs the server, you need the client
[10:53] <reisio> though they frequently to come together
[10:53] <arunpyasi> oh ok I will ask him to install
[10:53] <arunpyasi> reisio: please help me step wise ok
[10:53] <reisio> arunpyasi: and it might be installed already, but merely not running
[10:54] <reisio> if there's something referring to 'vnc' in /etc/init*, it's probably already installed
[10:54] <arunpyasi> ok reisio so what should I do??
[10:54] <reisio> eliesin: so this is wired?
[10:54] <reisio> arunpyasi: check in that path for something related to 'vn'c
[10:54] <reisio> erm, 'vnc', that is
[10:54] <reisio> or pgrep -l vnc
[10:54] <eliesin> Wifi in this case. Can test wired if it matters. eth0 doesn't come back any more than wlan0. I'm left with only lo
[10:54] <reisio> should tell you if it exists / is already running
[10:55] <eliesin> The interfaces totally disappear from ifconfig, etc.
[10:55] <reisio> eliesin: did you reboot at all?
[10:55] <arunpyasi> reisio: what if I ask him to install vnc4server ?
[10:55] <reisio> arunpyasi: that could be useful
[10:55] <arunpyasi> ok
[10:56] <reisio> arunpyasi: it might even automatically start the server after installation
[10:56] <eliesin> Rebooting fixes it. I should say, this is a proxy for another issue. The point is to use this (which simulates the symptoms well and I think might be effectively what's happening there) to fix/work around the other issue
[10:56] <reisio> arunpyasi: although
[10:56] <arunpyasi> yes
[10:56] <reisio> arunpyasi: if it's an actual server install, without a DE (such as Unity/GNOME), then you wouldn't actually want VNC
[10:56] <reisio> you'd want just ssh
[10:56] <eliesin> So, yeah, the question is, if I "sudo stop networking", how can one recover from that without restarting?
[10:56] <reisio> eliesin: is that the "other" issue?
[10:57] <reisio> networkmanager uses magic to determine what configurations to use
[10:57] <reisio> the networking service by itself uses only the static configuration/s you have
[10:57] <eliesin> No. The other issue is sleep/resume related. Lid-closing then resuming kills networking this way. But sudo pm-suspend doesn't.
[10:57] <reisio> you likely want to use only one or the other
[10:57] <arunpyasi> man reisio its asking password
[10:57] <reisio> arunpyasi: right, you need a password for a user's account
[10:58] <arunpyasi> ok
[10:58] <eliesin> Right, okay, so if I added wlan0 to /etc/networking/interfaces that would work. But, that's clearly not necessarily on an ordinary boot
[10:58] <eliesin> How does one replicate, or at least re-run, network-manager's magic? Because I did try the sequence "stop network-manager; stop networking; start networking; start network-manager"
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:58] <eliesin> And that doesn't work either
[10:58] <arunpyasi> ok reisio so what to do next?
[10:58] <reisio> eliesin: just restarting network-manager should do it
[10:59] <eliesin> Yeah, if I /only/ restart networking-manager it's fine.
[10:59] <reisio> arunpyasi: type in the password?
[10:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: done
[10:59] <reisio> eliesin: why wouldn't you only do that? :)
[10:59] <reisio> arunpyasi: that's it
[10:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: now , what should I do here
[10:59] <eliesin> Because I don't know what most effectively represents this other situation, which I can't access right now
[11:00] <reisio> arunpyasi: here?
[11:00] <eliesin> Both are consistent with the symptoms that I've last checked
[11:00] <eliesin> (stop network-manager & networking)
[11:00] <arunpyasi> reisio: I mean in my computer
[11:00] <reisio> eliesin: basically if you're going to primarily or even regularly use wireless, you'd want to deal with networkmanager alone
[11:00] <reisio> eliesin: if you only want wireless, using the static config and service should suffice, but you could also still use networkmanager if you wanted
[11:00] <reisio> still use only, that is
[11:01] <eliesin> Ah, so it's probably "networking" isn't even running? That'd confuse things yeah.
[11:01] <reisio> arunpyasi: hrmm?'
[11:01] <reisio> eliesin: well, networkmanager takes over networking in general, usually
[11:01] <arunpyasi> reisio: what should I do next man ?
[11:01] <reisio> eliesin: it can work in parallel to a certain extent, but generally the purpose of networkMANAGER is to manage it all entirely
[11:01] <reisio> arunpyasi: to accomplish what?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> frankly network manager handles wifi much easier than trying to set it up in the the interfaces file
[11:02] <eliesin> I've usually used netowrkmanager or wicd (before networkmanager was particularly good) on desktops and Debian's networking service on servers
[11:02] <eliesin> *network-manager
[11:02] <arunpyasi> reisio: then how can I connect  to his computer?
[11:02] <reisio> yeah I like wicd, it's lighter and more DE agnostic, but it also is less magical unfortunately, IME :)
[11:02] <eliesin> But I hadn't realized they weren't meant to run simultaneously on Ubuntu, so that explains things.
[11:02] <reisio> for troublesome hardware
[11:02] <reisio> arunpyasi: remmina isn't working?
[11:03] <eliesin> It used to have fewer "magical" issues when it did work at all though
[11:03] <arunpyasi> then how to configure remmina ??
[11:03] <arunpyasi> I don't know man
[11:03] <arunpyasi> it is asking a server
[11:03] <eliesin> Regarding remembering hwo to auto-associate with ssids, etc
[11:03] <reisio> arunpyasi: if the server has a DE, you can use VNC, it takes a user account name and a corresponding password
[11:03] <reisio> arunpyasi: if the server hasn't a DE, you can use SSH, which also takes a user account name and a corresponding password
[11:03] <eliesin> network-manager has been pretty good the last couple of years though.
[11:03] <reisio> arunpyasi: the former requires the VNC server to be running, the latter sshd
[11:03] <arunpyasi> DE mean s?
[11:04] <reisio> arunpyasi: Unity/GNOME/etc.
[11:04] <arunpyasi> yes it has
[11:04] <reisio> okay, then you'd probably want VNC
[11:04] <arunpyasi> reisio: GNOME 3
[11:04] <arunpyasi> then what to do?
[11:04] <reisio> arunpyasi: ...after what?
[11:04] <arunpyasi> after opening VNC
[11:04] <arunpyasi> its asking server , username and password
[11:05] <reisio> server would be the ip address if it isn't fancily configured
[11:05] <reisio> username and password are what you'd expect
[11:06] <arunpyasi> reisio:  u mean , what I can't understand man
[11:06] <reisio> what don't you understand?
[11:06] <arunpyasi> reisio: which Ip adress I should insert in ??
[11:06] <reisio> arunpyasi: that depends :)
[11:07] <arunpyasi> hahhahaha
[11:07] <reisio> arunpyasi: if your friend is around, he can tell you which IP it is
[11:07] <arunpyasi> U mean the public ip address
[11:07] <reisio> either with the 'ip' or 'ifconfig' command, or something like http://www.whatsmyip.org/
[11:07] <reisio> or the server might even have a name you can use instead of an IP
[11:07] <eliesin> reisio: I just tried "stop networking" [on my desktop; this IRC-running machine clearly not the same] and it killed network access regardless of network-manager running.
[11:07] <arunpyasi> reisio: yes ok , will try
[11:07] <eliesin> That suggests they do run simultaneously
[11:08] <reisio> eliesin: run yes
[11:08] <reisio> eliesin: but networkmanager overrides the base configurations
[11:08] <reisio> with its own automagick'd ones
[11:09] <reisio> need to go help people move fish from one aquarium to another :) peace
[11:10] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  the neywork manager settings can be affected by /etc/network/interfaces afaik , dependig on what the settings are of course , and vice versa
[11:11] <arunpyasi> and what is RDP?
[11:11] <eliesin> BluesKaj: alright, so, how does one simulate/recreate whatever happens on boot so that if one has stopped both networking and network-manager one can recover networking sans a restart?
[11:11] <eliesin> remote desktop protocol. Windows-centric, but ubuntu has servers
[11:12] <arunpyasi> man, didn't work
[11:13] <arunpyasi> guys isn't there anything like teamviewer?
[11:13] <eliesin> For some value of "like"
[11:14] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  usually sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:15] <eliesin> "ERROR: Calling a sysvinit script on a system using upstart isn't supported. Please use the 'service' command instead."
[11:15] <eliesin> That's why I've been using "sudo restart networking" and/or "sudo service networking restart" if I want to try that
[11:15] <arunpyasi> guys isn't there anything like teamviewer?
[11:16] <eliesin> But, that's what kill all interfaces but lo
[11:16] <BluesKaj> ok , eliesin,  sudo service networking restart
[11:16] <matthias_arch> hi i have got a python programm problem and i dont get it answered in #python: i have a problem with my bitmessage client programmed in python. i'm using the bitmessageapi to get the inbox messages. The inboxMessages are stored in some lists but i don't know how to display all messages. i can only read defined messages. i need a for loop for this i think but i cant figure out. http://pastebin.com/etbGMpvy i hope the paste can h
[11:16] <eliesin> arunpyasi: yes, for some value of "like". It's a broad question that depends on what precisely you want from a Teamviewer-like system.
[11:16] <matthias_arch> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/fqgEqjbLJZ6drBZQgw27/
[11:18] <eliesin> BluesKaj: as above, that just kills all network interfaces but lo. Which, yeah, fine, that's what' in my /etc/network/interfaces. So, I'd need network-manager back up too. But even "service network-manager stop; service networking stop; service networking start; service network-manager start" doesn't suffice to take down then bring back up eth0 and wlan0 (neither of which are in /etc/network/interfaces(
[11:18] <eliesin> So, that's my question. What happens on boot to actually make this work and how to I replace that without a restart?
[11:19] <eliesin> (I end up with just lo regardless, if I stop "networking" at all)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  sudo dhclient wlan0 for wifi , sudo dhclient eth0 , for ethernet , and that should work with NM as well
[11:21] <eliesin> Can't run dhclient on a nonexistent interface, whether wlan0 or eth0
[11:22] <arunpyasi> eliesin: I want remote access from my home to another country where my friend is
[11:22] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  killing the interefaves obviously needs a reboot then
[11:22] <BluesKaj> interfaces
[11:22] <Equinox3> arunpyasi: try team viewer
[11:24] <arunpyasi> Equinox3: thats not working, it is showing my and my friends id same
[11:25] <eliesin> BluesKaj: http://pastie.org/8362176
[11:25] <Equinox3> then try openvnc
[11:25] <eliesin> BluesKaj: alright, somehow, on bootup, the system (Upstart, I guess, though it uses Sys V init scripts too) manages to bring up networking
[11:26] <jeetpei> Hi All
[11:26] <eliesin> From a state during which neither "networking" nor "network-manager" is running.
[11:26] <eliesin> It's not magic.
[11:27] <jeetpei> can someone help me to understand rn_nml command ?
[11:27] <matthias_arch> hi i have got a python programm problem and i dont get it answered in #python: i have a problem with my bitmessage client programmed in python. i'm using the bitmessageapi to get the inbox messages. The inboxMessages are stored in some lists but i don't know how to display all messages. i can only read defined messages. i need a for loop for this i think but i cant figure out. http://pastebin.com/etbGMpvy i hope the paste can h
[11:27] <matthias_arch> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/fqgEqjbLJZ6drBZQgw27/
[11:28] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  as far as NM is concerned they are one and the same . /etc/networkinterfaces settings are set by network manager when it's active
[11:29] <eliesin> okay, so I should be able to just start network-manager maybe? Trying...
[11:29] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  yes
[11:29] <jeetpei> rn_nml ?
[11:31] <eliesin> BluesKaj: http://pastie.org/8362190
[11:32] <eliesin> A couple of interesting things: (1) I switched the networking & network-manager kill order and apparently killing network kills network-manager. (2) Still only the lo interface
[11:32] <lenzeor> Hey there! I am using an AMD Radeon HD 3450 graphics card and I would like to use the proprietary driver. How do I switch?
[11:32] <eliesin> (I've been restarting in between all these)
[11:33] <eliesin> lenzeor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:33] <bwayne> matthias_arch: try #bitmessage
[11:33] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  so what is your goal here , trying to run with NM for eifi and the interfaces file for ethernet?
[11:33] <faugusztin> lenzeor: HD3450, that is supported only by legacy drivers, no ?
[11:33] <matthias_arch> i want to print out all message and not the predefinded message
[11:34] <lenzeor> faugusztin, I dont know
[11:34] <BluesKaj> eifi=wifi , eliesin
[11:34] <lenzeor> eliesin, there are a few problems I am having with that tutorial
[11:34] <mms> What is the best IDE under Ubuntu to program with Python?
[11:35] <eliesin> BluesKaj: my goal is to understand how to recover from a state (which, in the actual instance is coming from a suspend/resume issue) which under certain circumstances only lists the "lo" interface.
[11:35] <faugusztin> lenzeor: indeed it is only supported by legacy drivers, anything HD2000-HD4000 that is
[11:35] <eliesin> Without restarting. Because if I can figure out that, then it should be possible to work around it. Yeah, there's some other bug. For the moment I don't care
[11:35] <BluesKaj> lenzeor:  do you see any other drivers in "additional drivers"?
[11:35] <faugusztin> lenzeor: https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[11:35] <eliesin> So, again, somehow, the boot process manages this fine. How might I figure out what it's doing and/or replicate that?
[11:36] <lenzeor> faugusztin, this means I cannot use accelaration with an up-to-date-kernel?
[11:36] <lenzeor> BluesKaj, no I dont
[11:36] <faugusztin> lenzeor: you will get acceleration, but legacy drivers are not released periodically, only once in a time
[11:36] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  sleep causes more problems than it's worth , sometimers
[11:36] <bwayne> mms: i like pycharm
[11:36] <varunendra> eliesin, are both wifi and ethernet interfaces disappearing after susp/resume ?
[11:36] <eliesin> varunendra: yes
[11:36] <eliesin> Only lo is left.
[11:37] <eliesin> BluesKaj: lid-closing sleep is bad. pm-suspend sleep is good.
[11:37] <eliesin> Consistantly. If you can point out how they differ, that'd be great too.
[11:37] <eliesin> *Consistently
[11:37] <jophish> Yo yo yo
[11:37] <varunendra> eliesin, do you know which cards/drivers you are using?
[11:37] <jophish> What's the recommended way to install haskell-platform on Ubuntu 13.04?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> never bothered with it , eliesin , but I'm a home user
[11:37] <eliesin> Intel's wifi chipset. Can get model number in a moment. But  the iwlwifi driver.
[11:38] <eliesin> eth0 is some other thing and it's also disappearing though.
[11:38] <varunendra> eliesin, have you tried "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" (or "down" then "up") ?
[11:39] <lenzeor> faugusztin, good! How do I install the drivers?
[11:39] <miki> Can anyone say what packages to delete to use normally mate, without the corruption with unity?
[11:39] <eliesin> varunendra: yes. eth0 doesn't exist to be down/up
[11:39] <faugusztin> lenzeor: did you read that launchpad page ? :)
[11:39] <eliesin> (in this state I describe/can trigger)
[11:39] <lenzeor> faugusztin, do I simply apt-get fglrx?
[11:39] <faugusztin> lenzeor: no, read https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[11:39] <lenzeor> okok
[11:40] <faugusztin> you got 4 commands there, from add-apt-repository to apt-get install fglrx-legacy
[11:40] <varunendra> eliesin, if an interface is already down, it won't show up in ifconfig
[11:40] <sinus> hi, i have 2 monitors 1 HDMI and 1 VGA. When I try to use both I get this error message:
[11:40] <matthias_arch> bwayne: nobody is answering
[11:41] <eliesin> BluesKaj: well, so I'm trying, rather than to directly approach the sleep/resume thing, to just stipulate it's screwed up somehow for the moment, and how best to kludge around it. By restarting everything afterwards. But, from a state in which networking has stopped, I haven't yet accomplished that
[11:41] <sinus> "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied"
[11:43] <bwayne> matthias_arch: your problem is unsolvable, apparently. :)  kidding. if i were you, i'd just message around with 'print InboxMessages' for a while.
[11:43] <lenzeor> thanks so much faugusztin I didn't find that page when I first looked
[11:44] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  sorry i couldn't help , but afaik network manager is the culprit here , since it writes to the interfaces and reslv.conf files thereby determining the networking status
[11:44] <eliesin> varunendra: http://pastie.org/8362204
[11:44] <eliesin> yes, it will show up, for a certain definition of "down"
[11:44] <eliesin> if the networking and/or network-manager services are stopped, eth0 and wlan0 simply don't show up at all. so dhclient, ifup/ifdown, etc don't apply
[11:45] <matthias_arch> bwayne: do you understand it? http://paste.pound-python.org/show/fqgEqjbLJZ6drBZQgw27/ here is the console output. i want to display all messages in inbox. in the paste there 2 but how can i get the maximum?
[11:45] <madsy> When installing Ubuntu 13 on a Windows 8 laptop, can UEFI boot mode still be enabled in the BIOS?
[11:45] <eliesin> BluesKaj: ah, well. Will investigate that angle.
[11:46] <bwayne> matthias_arch: how much python do you know?
[11:46] <dakotawulfy> when using xinerama is there a way to make the full screen only go on one monitor ??
[11:46] <matthias_arch> i'm learning for one year, but the list inboxMessages is tricky
[11:46] <varunendra> eliesin, ifup/down and ifconfig up/down are not the same thing. Have you tried ifconfig yet?
[11:47] <lenzeor> faugusztin, do you know if that PPA will work on my 64bit system?
[11:47] <eliesin> ah no. Trying now.
[11:48] <matthias_arch> bwayne: i'm learning for one year, but the list inboxMessages is tricky
[11:48] <varunendra> BluesKaj, eliesin as far as I know, NM doesn't touch the /etc/network/interfaces file. It just reads it to decide which interfaces to manage and which ones not.
[11:49] <bwayne> !uefi | madsy perhaps this will help you
[11:51] <bwayne> matthias_arch: what if 'print inboxMessages.decode('base64')' ?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> varunendra:  I've used both configurations ,and thre NM writes to the interfaces and resolv.conf files at startup if they're empty , and NM won't launch if the settings are incorrect , at least that's my experience.
[11:53] <matthias_arch> bwayne: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "bitmessage.py", line 57, in <module>     print inboxMessages.decode('base64') AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'decode'
[11:54] <dakotawulfy> can some one help me with xinerama?
[11:54] <varunendra> BluesKaj, with resolvconf package, NM does write the resolv.conf (actually just a symlink now) file, but never the interfaces file. If an interface is mentioned in the interfaces file, NM would simply ignore it by default (if "managed=false" in nm settings, which is default)
[11:54] <eliesin> varunendra: progress. That did work, sort of. I got eth0 & wlan0 back.
[11:54] <varunendra> eliesin, are the networking services stopped?
[11:55] <eliesin> I mean, not right now, since I just rebooted to clear all that state.
[11:55] <varunendra> eliesin, "sudo service networking restart && sudo service network-manager restart"
[11:56] <eliesin> Yeah I did try that, both before and after the ifconfig {eth0,wlan0} up (as two separate commands)
[11:56] <varunendra> eliesin, this script may give us some useful info about your hardware and drivers, (plus many more things but they may not be so useful) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12350385
[11:56] <eliesin> Presumably at that point the whole dhclient thing could work again
[11:57] <eliesin> But it would be nice to trigger the GUI widgets to function too
[11:57] <eliesin> Which, somehow the boot process does, so it can't be impossible
[11:58] <bwayne> matthias_arch: well, we know what that means. :-)  what's your goal, again? to show *all* of the messages?
[11:58] <varunendra> eliesin, please give us the pastebin link to the output of the script, it may be useful.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> varunendra:  yeah resolv.conf is now actually /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head or base , but then what's the point of NM if it's set to managed=false, anyway the only reason I use Nm is for vpns etc , otherwise the interfaces file and /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d files suffice without NM in the mix.
[11:58] <Caesar__> Hello, is this channel good to get some personal help? I think i've been hacked
[11:59] <bwayne> Caesar__: we can *try* to help if it's Ubuntu related, and if someone knows and is willing. :)
[11:59] <varunendra> BluesKaj, the point is to avoid conflict. You don't want two different managers managing the same interface. So false means ignore whatever is already in the interfaces file
[12:00] <matthias_arch> bwayne: yes the messages are sorted via this index and if i get the number off the messages i can show all
[12:00] <BluesKaj> varunendra:  I just rtemove NM if I don't need it :)
[12:00] <eliesin> varunendra: coming.
[12:01] <eliesin> BluesKaj: likewise, if I don't need wifi. I've found it more trouble to avoid one of wicd/nm if using wifi.
[12:01] <varunendra> BluesKaj, and the resolv.conf file + interfaces file are more than sufficient if you know how to use them. NM is just to make things easy for those who don't want the old-skool ways ;)
[12:02] <Caesar__> join #ubuntu-ops
[12:03] <lenzeor> faugusztin, Thanks so much, it worked lika a charm!
[12:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , varunendra , eliesin , I use NM for wifi , and if I could figi=ure a method to use openvpn with NM then I probly would
[12:03] <BluesKaj> err without NM Imean,:)
[12:04] <bwayne> matthias_arch: what does 'len(inboxMessages['inboxMessages'])' give you?
[12:04] <eliesin> varunendra: huh, some of that sure has a lot of output I'd usually elide (complete iwlist scan output?)
[12:04] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  , varunendra some internet media streaming services are blocked or not available here in Canada , hence my reliance on vpn
[12:04] <varunendra> eliesin, I forgot to say, the 'alternate' script from the link at the bottom of that post is more verbose :)
[12:05] <varunendra> BluesKaj, I never used VPN so far :D
[12:06] <eliesin> BluesKaj: oh, I've seen other Canadians comment on that oo. Various (completely legal, etc, comedy central, I guess some Netflix stuff, maybe Hulu, probably others etc)  have different Canadian service
[12:06] <matthias_arch> bwayne: it gives 2 as output
[12:06] <matthias_arch> bwayne: and that is the number of the messages currently in the inbox
[12:07] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  yeah netflix is available here now but I'm not particularly impressed with the selection , it's not the same as the US
[12:07] <matthias_arch> bwayne: i will test with 3 messages
[12:07] <mjayk> BluesKaj: proxy
[12:08] <BluesKaj> mjayk:  proxies are too slow for media streams from what i understand
[12:08] <eliesin> That's not an intrinsic property of "proxies" vs "VPNs" though
[12:09] <mjayk> BluesKaj: no some are some are not
[12:09] <eliesin> If you paid $X/month for a "proxy" you could probably find a fast one too
[12:09] <Caesar__> Hi, if i've been hacked, can i someway Report my system log viewer online so that someone can confirm and help me?
[12:09] <Caesar__> and im quite sure of it
[12:09] <mjayk> Caesar__: hacked in what way ?
[12:10] <neomasterofcode> hy
[12:11] <Caesar__> someone has remote acces to my computer
[12:12] <BluesKaj> mjayk:  my vpn service costs $7/mos , and the speed is determined by my ISP not the vpn server, so it works for me
[12:12] <Caesar__> root acces even (?)
[12:12] <rHermes> Testing..
[12:12] <rHermes> Okay, it works.
[12:12] <eliesin> varunendra: http://pastie.org/8362261
[12:12] <mjayk> BluesKaj: it will be determined by whatever the bottleneck is
[12:12] <mjayk> if thats the ISP then its the ISP if its the VPN then its the VPN
[12:12] <eliesin> Took a few minutes to edit out details of my wifi environment :p
[12:12] <BluesKaj> mjayk:  no kidding
[12:13] <mjayk> BluesKaj: indeed i was not
[12:13] <varunendra> eliesin, do you have an account on ubuntuforums.org ? I may not stay much longer here..
[12:13] <eliesin> Not currently, no
[12:14] <Caesar__> like this code.. " Sep 28 13:17:01 wwdaad /USR/SBIN/CRON[15874]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" This cant be normal right?
[12:14] <Caesar__> from syslog
[12:14] <gordonjcp> Caesar__: what about it?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> mjayk:  tell me something i don't know :)
[12:15] <Myrtti> Caesar__: why wouldn't it be normal?
[12:15] <Caesar__> my codes change and gets deleted and restored
[12:15] <gordonjcp> Caesar__: what codes?
[12:15] <Myrtti> Caesar__: cronjobs are run, that is quite normal
[12:15] <mjayk> BluesKaj: longitudinal phontons can be explined in QED by comuting 11 dimentions over all 4 space time variable then summing over all possible states
[12:16] <mjayk> BluesKaj: thats a copy and paste from the last thesis line I wrote did you know that ?
[12:16] <Caesar__> i see.. so i learn then...
[12:16] <bwayne> mjayk: no normalization needed?
[12:16] <Caesar__> been awake for to long, it looked really "odd"
[12:16] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:16] <Caesar__> damn stimulants
[12:16] <mjayk> bwayne: why would normalisation be needed?
[12:17] <varunendra> eliesin, was that output after triggering the problem? (susp/resume)
[12:17] <mjayk> all your doing is a tensor curl to an elipsoid right you dont need the state value
[12:17] <eliesin> No, that's a control
[12:17] <bwayne> mjayk: ah.
[12:17] <matthias_arch> bwayne: Thank you that was it, everything is working fine now
[12:17] <varunendra> eliesin, ??
[12:18] <eliesin> as in, control group, in a study, etc.
[12:18] <bwayne> matthias_arch: good to know. :) isn't python the best?
[12:18] <eliesin> It's what it looks like fully functioning
[12:18] <eliesin> will get the other in a moment
[12:18] <matthias_arch> bwayne: sure and i like, that you don't need to recompile every time
[12:19] <varunendra> eliesin, is power-management on or off in iwconfig?
[12:19] <bwayne> matthias_arch: ah, recompiling isn't so bad, so long as you have a sane makefile and a shortcut from your editor. :)
[12:19] <neomasterofcode>  hey
[12:20] <neomasterofcode> l
[12:21] <BluesKaj> bwayne:  i've had a lot of trouble compiling due to faulty makefiles , it's no longer an option for me , it;'s just to much trouble
[12:22] <BluesKaj> too
[12:22] <eliesin> varunendra: not sure. But exactly the same thing happens to eth0
[12:22] <eliesin> as to wlan0
[12:22] <bwayne> BluesKaj: a faulty anything will give you too much trouble. :)
[12:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:23] <varunendra> eliesin, you are using a development release, so *some* bugs are to be expected. I suggest you try 12.04.3 (recommended) or 13.04 and seek help (preferably on the forums) if they cause same trouble
[12:25] <eliesin> varunendra: the main thing I'm trying to do at this point, and this isn't even really 'troubleshooting' etc, is figure out how the system 'naturally' boots up the networking setup. with, yes, nm, because that's how it works now
[12:25] <VictorCL> hi
[12:25] <VictorCL> ubuntu 12.10 or 13.04 for a webserver , which would be easier to manage ?
[12:26] <eliesin> The conceit of intentionally killing off the networking & network-manager services is mostly a tool to simulate that as reasonably as possible
[12:26] <eliesin> Which itself is a proxy for a suspend/resume issue on another computer, which is my actual target. But troubleshooting that's clearly not happening. So.
[12:26] <varunendra> eliesin, the most common reason for the kind of problem you are facing is improper power management - in driver's code, firmware or the OS itself.
[12:27] <varunendra> eliesin, stopping/starting network services can do nothing about stuck driver/firmware issues.
[12:27] <mjayk> varunendra: 12.04
[12:27] <eliesin> Including eth0 though?
[12:28] <eliesin> Which, well, isn't wifi, etc (per your iwconfig question)
[12:28] <eliesin> Oh, I'm sure there's some issue. And I'm trying to work around it.
[12:28] <eliesin> Because troubleshooting it doesn't look particularly tenable directly.
[12:29] <varunendra> eliesin, the driver/firmware/power-management thing applies to each and every device and driver, not just wifi. But yes, it is somewhat uncommon with ethernet devices.
[12:30] <eliesin> My things here don't involve actual sleep/resume at all, by the way. And I'm on AC. So power management shouldn't be interfering. I think. But, it's always possible.
[12:30] <varunendra> eliesin, you can try manually removing --> reloading the pertaining drivers, while the network services are running
[12:30] <eliesin> it's intentionally a sort of all-else-preserved situation. If the entire rest of the system, but network is running, how can one bring up networking
[12:30] <eliesin> Because if I can't do that it doesn't matter if there are driver, firmware, issues
[12:30] <varunendra> eliesin, you said it kicks in when you suspend/resume? Is it not the case?
[12:31] <eliesin> Well, the actual target, yeah, it's a suspend/resume issue. And sudo pm-suspend works fine but lid closing/opening kills networking.
[12:31] <eliesin> So if you know how those differ...
[12:31] <eliesin> But, I can replicate the symptons without suspend/resume at all
[12:31] <eliesin> *symptoms
[12:32] <varunendra> eliesin, unless someone has exactly same experience and knows the exact reason, there are so many factors involved that you can't expect to study them all in one (whole) day.
[12:33] <eliesin> Yeah, well, that's why I'm avoiding the suspend/resume stuff. Because troubleshooting it is hairy and device-dependent and etc.
[12:33] <eliesin> So, take a perfectly working system, kill networking, don't suspend, don't resume, don't let power management kick in inasmuch as is possible, and at least be able to bring up networking
[12:33] <eliesin> again, the boot process does it. So, I'm just trying to replicate that at this point. That's all.
[12:35] <varunendra> eliesin, I'm a bit lost. You are avoiding suspend/resume. Then when do the interfaces go down?
[12:35] <eliesin> Well, on suspend/resume. But see my comments about troubleshooting that.
[12:36] <varunendra> too scattered, hard to read on IRC (my xchat is too verbose)
[12:36] <eliesin> I should say, also, that suspend/resume works fine /on this machine/
[12:37] <eliesin> Okay, the actual, ultimate, problem I'm trying to solve is on another computer (but very similar actually. Also iwlwifi and same ethernet driver I believe) where it occurs during certain very consistent and deterministic suspend/resumes. sudo pm-suspend works but lid-closing/opening kills networking upon resume.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  i know it's no consolation for your issue , but power management in the latest ubuntus seems to suffer from benign neglect..even my desktop settings don't seem to work :(
[12:38] <eliesin> However, because figuring out what's happening there looks semi-infeasible, I gave up. I'm totally happy to rig in something to /etc/sleep.d/ which just forces networking to wake up. Which is all that is broken.
[12:39] <eliesin> The state it leaves that in is that only the loopback interface is running. So I'm trying to figure out how to recover the variations of that the I can identify.
[12:39] <eliesin> Regardless of how it got into that state. Firmware & driver issues are possible but probably not too severe because sudo pm-suspend does work.
[12:40] <eliesin> BluesKaj: that is unfortunate, yeah.
[12:40] <eliesin> So, varunendra, I'm resorting to 'simulating' the issue. Thus, the semi-artificial setup.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  looks like you're getting close to a solution tho
[12:41] <eliesin> Yeah, varunendra's pointing out ifconfig <interface> was actually really helpful
[12:41] <varunendra> eliesin, with the amount of comments/doubts you have, I suggest you open an account on ubuntuforums.org and post your quention with all the details there. A conversation there would be much more comprehensive and fruitful to all
[12:41] <varunendra> question*
[12:42] <eliesin> varunendra: probably a good idea, yeah.
[12:42] <eliesin> I actually might be all the way there if maybe I restart wpa_supplement & figure out how to restart the GUI widgets and whatever backend they use
[12:43] <eliesin> *wpa_supplicant
[12:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , I hope this is resolved soon , because my daughter is finally sending my laptop back to me and I'd like to put kubuntu on it :)
[12:44] <eliesin> Yeah, it's nice. My preference as well... Actually, this works fine on the computer I'm typing it on, so you might not hit it
[12:44] <eliesin> Including all this suspend/resume networking
[12:45] <varunendra> eliesin, wpa_supplicant is controlled by NM if you are using it. It does not need to be controlled manually, and probably shouldn't be unless you remove NM altogether
[12:45] <eliesin> okay, so it's just the GUI widgets
[12:45] <eliesin> I am using it, yes
[12:46] <varunendra> eliesin, the kernel you are on is good (3.11) but the overall system (saucy) may be too buggy yet. It is not worth putting too much efforts in it.
[12:46] <eliesin> It's supposed to be released in a month
[12:47] <varunendra> eliesin, it may see a huge no. of changes even 1 night before its release
[12:47] <eliesin> Also, 13.04 (which I used before) had severe intel graphics card issues where it'd hang (well-documented, etc, though I don't have LP bug #s handy; hang-check timer in dmesg is search term)
[12:48] <eliesin> Nouveau isn't a real option because as of 3.11 even it doesn't do fan management
[12:48] <eliesin> they talked about that at XDC2013, but not yet
[12:48] <varunendra> eliesin, that's why I said kernel is good. There are many improvements in its drivers. But you can use these (backported) drivers even on 12.04 if needed.
[12:49] <eliesin> Ah, right. That's a reasonable option, yeah.
[12:51] <eliesin> I'll admit that 13.04, even, ran totally fine except for that. kscreen's nicer now though...
[12:52] <varunendra> eliesin, people using a development release are supposed to 'Provide' help by finding and reporting bugs/feedbacks. So there may be too many 'experimental' things in it, until it is officially released for public use.
[12:53] <eliesin> Well, alright. That's partly why I've tried to frame this not as troubleshooting as such but 'start from no networking, how does one add networking to an otherwise running system as the boot process does'
[12:53] <eliesin> Which I can guarantee does work, even on 13.10
[12:55] <icetea> hi
[12:55] <eliesin> ah, "./network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools:127:       ifconfig "$IFACE" up" and "./wpa_supplicant/functions.sh:1004:             ifconfig "$WPA_IFACE" up"
[12:56] <eliesin> Okay, so what you described is definitely part of the process
[12:56] <BluesKaj> eliesin:  actually 13.10 beta 2 is very solid here , KDE user here so my experience may be different
[12:57] <eliesin> KDE here also. I agree, it's solid. I jumped onto 13.10 probably a bit too early, but for the last month or so it's been good
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> kde here, too, very nice, swift and fast
[12:58] <varunendra> BluesKaj, eliesin 'experimental' doesn't necessarily mean 'broken' ;P
[12:58] <varunendra> it has to be solid enough before it is 'proven' and included in the upstream
[12:59] <sssssssss> hi!
[12:59] <sssssssss> I have shitty sound on xubuntu !! acer aspire one, noone can solve the problem ! please help me <3
[12:59] <isabelle> hello everyone, I have some little trouble with my keyboard
[13:00] <FiremanEd> !language | sssssssss
[13:00] <isabelle> sometimes, the keys stop working
[13:00] <eliesin> Are you sure it's a software problem?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> isabelle, bluetooth?
[13:00] <isabelle> no, it's my laptop keyboard (very annoying)
[13:00] <cfhowlett> isabelle, and try a different keyboard.  they do get dirty and they do break
[13:00] <sssssssss> should i rename with female nick to be considered ? ^^
[13:01] <cfhowlett> isabelle, cleaned it lately?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> ssssssss   don't know about the nick, but the profanity will earn you a big ignore
[13:01] <isabelle> it's clean but the problem is present since the installation of ubuntu, but now I want to fix it
[13:02] <eliesin> 's'*9: your pitch wasn't very attractive. Vague problem, seemed kind of unsatisfying. High chance of hardware issues.
[13:03] <eliesin> Also I reacted poorly to "!!" and "<3".
[13:03] <cfhowlett> isabelle see your system settings for keyboard sensitivity.  what's the make/model on your lappy?
[13:03] <eliesin> If you want honesty...
[13:04] <isabelle> to be more complete in my description I need to say: most of the time, keyboard works perfectly, and at one moment, all the keyboard is inactive, I reboot and this is fixed, sometimes I need two reboot
[13:05] <isabelle> my laptop is a Packard Bell EasyNote
[13:05] <Leila> u'll react to that to
[13:05] <Leila> misters nerds
[13:05] <Leila> #care
[13:05] <Leila> ^^
[13:05] <eliesin> Yeah, I do.
[13:06] <isabelle> I don't know how find the exact reference I'm sorry
[13:06] <varunendra> isabelle, does the pointer work? Menu options etc. ?
[13:06] <isabelle> absolutly no keys work, touchpad doesn't work too
[13:07] <isabelle> (sorry for my english, I'm french)
[13:07] <cfhowlett> !fr
[13:07] <varunendra> isabelle, so that's something we call "System Freeze", which is not a problem specific to just keyboard
[13:07] <isabelle> ok but I can speak in english and understand answer
[13:08] <Aussie_matt> Hi all. Can anyone help troubleshoot why I can't upload my commits to github?
[13:08] <varunendra> isabelle, which version of Ubuntu are you using? And since when is the current installation working?
[13:08] <isabelle> but I still can use my USB mouse, if I'm plugin an USB keybord, it works and all the system work (except laptop keyboard) so are you sure this is a system freeze?
[13:09] <Wiz_KeeD> can someone tell me why this happened? http://pastie.org/8362355
[13:09] <bwayne> Aussie_matt: what sort of error are you getting?
[13:09] <varunendra> isabelle, nope, it is not then
[13:09] <Znoosey> Aussie_matt: there is also #github which might be a more appropriate channel
[13:09] <isabelle> maybe it's keyboard driver?
[13:10] <varunendra> isabelle, so both the laptop keyboard + touchpad stop working, then you plug-in the external ones, and they work (the external ones)?
[13:10] <isabelle> varunendra, yes exacty
[13:10] <Aussie_matt> bwayne: Hi. Ok, so I forked a project, cloned it to my local drive the other day. Today, I modify the readme. then I run git push origin master, it asks for ssh key (i dont have) enter username, then asks for ssh key (i dont have) enter password...then it responds :up to date, but nothing has changed on git hub
[13:10] <jboii> hi
[13:11] <varunendra> isabelle, can you trigger this problem at your wish? So we can test something?
[13:11] <jboii> how can i have a menu panel on bottom?
[13:11] <Aussie_matt> Znoosey: been there, no response
[13:11] <jboii> i have seen people on deviant art have these nice themes
[13:11] <nickname27> Hi, I have a router related question. But Since I run ubuntu, thing is I'm able to ping the internet from my box, but when I ssh into the router, i cannot ping the internet. It's weird. Any idea why this is happening?
[13:11] <bwayne> Aussie_matt: what does 'ssh -T<EMAIL_ADDRESS>say?
[13:12] <jboii> http://mmesantos1.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-10-10-Gnome-White-Cutout-270035639
[13:12] <isabelle> varunendra, badly no, it's not reproductible as I want
[13:12] <nickname27> ..and yes, I'm accessing the internet through the router.
[13:12] <Flak> you cannot ping... the internet
[13:12] <jboii> can someone help me in private chat?
[13:12] <Flak> define "the internet"
[13:12] <nickname27> I mean, say ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:12] <nickname27> =P
[13:12] <varunendra> isabelle, are you familiar with "xinput" command?
[13:12] <nickname27> or any valid ip on the itnernet.
[13:12] <eliesin> nickname27: that's all up to the bridging, etc setup. It's definitely possible to set up firewall, forwarding, iptables, etc that way.
[13:12] <nickname27> internet*
[13:12] <Flak> are you using a known valid ip, and are you pinging by ip or hostname?
[13:12] <bekks> jboii: How about desicribing your problem publicly?
[13:13] <isabelle> varunendra, I have ear about but never use it
[13:13] <nickname27> eliesin, I was thinking that would be the case, but I flushed all the iptables rules too.
[13:13] <jboii> i am trying to make my desktop look like that picture i posted link to
[13:13] <nickname27> Flak, I'm pinging just the ip.
[13:13] <jboii> panel on top and bottom
[13:14] <eliesin> Well, but also if your forwarding chain only comes from e.g. an external interface and not lo
[13:14] <cfhowlett> jboii, look close.  every piece of additional software is listed for your use
[13:14] <cfhowlett> with links, no less
[13:14] <varunendra> isabelle, what I was expecting to test is - do the internal keypad/touchpad appear in the output if you just type "xinput" (using external kb of course)?
[13:15] <varunendra> isabelle, so which version are you using currently?
[13:16] <jboii> is there an app that adds a panel on bottom ?
[13:16] <cfhowlett> jboii, conky
[13:17] <isabelle> varunendra, http://dpaste.com/1398989/ this is the output of the command, is there the information that you want?
[13:17] <nickname27> eliesin, iptables is wiped clean, from the inside box (ubuntu) i'm also able to ping an internet ip like, an box on the local network outside mine. But not from the router. =/
[13:17] <nickname27> like for example, <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:18] <nickname27> internal*
[13:18] <Flak> ooh an internet internet protocal
[13:18] <Flak> :3
[13:18] <nickname27> I have the gateway set up the same for the router as well as my box.
[13:19] <eliesin> iptables isn't just a firewall. it's not necessarily desireable to have it wiped clean. I'm not sure how you have it set up, but some of these kinds of setups actually use iptables forwarding chains. in which case, clearing iptables doesn't help.
[13:19] <varunendra> isabelle, which version of Ubuntu are you on? (outputs of "lsb_release -d" and "uname -mr")
[13:20] <isabelle> 3.8.0-31-generic x86_64
[13:20] <eliesin> But, again, it's all dependent on details, etc.
[13:20] <naresh_> Any Media Player for Ubuntu 13.04 to play MPEG & blue ray
[13:20] <naresh_> ???
[13:20] <naresh_> Suggestion
[13:20] <varunendra> isabelle, and "lsb_release -d" ?
[13:21] <isabelle> Ubuntu 13.04
[13:21] <wylde> !restricted | naresh
[13:22] <piglit> i need a simple picture editor like i need to place a cross and a text on a picture what do i need to install ?
[13:22] <varunendra> isabelle, note down these commands (copy-paste) and next time it happens, try them -
[13:22] <varunendra> xinput --float "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
[13:23] <nickname27> eliesin, oh, darn! Guess I will have to look deeper into the default iptable rules, thanks for your time.
[13:23] <isabelle> varunendra, ok done, and what is supposed to happen?
[13:24] <varunendra> isabelle, that will disable your laptop's keyboard (already disabled, yeah, I know). Then to re-enable it -
[13:24] <varunendra> xinput --reattach "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" "Virtual core keyboard"
[13:25] <bekks> varunendra: How do you enable it after disabling it - without typing a command? ;)
[13:25] <william> guys which is the best server for cloud storage for UK high speed
[13:25] <varunendra> bekks, they have an external keyboard that works in that state
[13:25] <cfhowlett> !best
[13:26] <isabelle> varunendra, ok but this is some kind of workaround no? is there a way to fix the problem?
[13:27] <varunendra> isabelle, consider it a test. If the problem some hardware issue or something more serious at kernel level, it won't work.
[13:28] <isabelle> varunendra, ok I will remember it, I wil come back with the resut
[13:28] <isabelle> varunendra, thanks a lot for your help
[13:28] <varunendra> isabelle, on the other hand, if it works, there may be some minor issue that should be automatically fixed with updates..
[13:28] <varunendra> np :)
[13:29] <karab44> hello
[13:30] <isabelle> varunendra, I have ubuntu since version 12.04 and no updates had never changed this problem, do you think this information exclude the minor issue thesis?
[13:30] <cfhowlett> karab44, greetings
[13:30] <eliesin> Huh, "% sudo grep -rIn if_post_down_up /etc" only returns "/etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh:999:if_post_down_up () {". Any idea what calls it?
[13:30] <varunendra> isabelle, maybe.
[13:31] <karab44> How to disable some system shortkeys when particular program is focused and these shortkeys are in conflict?
[13:31] <isabelle> varunendra, ok ok I will try your test
[13:31] <varunendra> isabelle, but that indicates something wrong at hardware level
[13:33] <mydog2> morn
[13:33] <varunendra> isabelle, have you tried a fresh install or upgraded all the way to 13.04?
[13:34] <isabelle> varunendra, no I didn't want to loose all my settings and software
[13:35] <varunendra> isabelle, how frequently the problem occurs? Everyday? Every few hours?
[13:37] <isabelle> varunendra, after 2-3 days powered on
[13:38] <varunendra> isabelle, well... I was thinking of advising you to try live session,... but.... well.... :P
[13:40] <isabelle> varunendra, maybe I can if it is really necessary
[13:41] <eliesin> varunendra: looks like "networking" runns pretty much always: "start on ... runlevel [2345]"
[13:41] <eliesin> *runs
[13:41] <eliesin> nm or no
[13:41] <varunendra> isabelle, not necessary, just to test (if something bad in you x-server carried across upgrades..). But 2-3 days on live session is probably too much.
[13:41] <isabelle> varunendra, ok
[13:42] <varunendra> eliesin, [2345]? Like 2 OR 3 OR 4... ??
[13:42] <eliesin> Yeah, that's the syntax they use, it seems.
[13:43] <varunendra> eliesin, I think I've seen only 0-6, maybe 7, so it is almost all the runlevels ;P
[13:43] <eliesin> Exactly. :p
[13:43] <eliesin> 0 or 1 is single-user mode I think, so it doesn't turn on then
[13:44] <eliesin> (i.e. one of 0 or 1. I don't remember which)
[13:44] <yeehi> I try to use the software center to install proprietary nvidia graphics drivers. The installation seems to go OK, but on reboot, I have a black screen with a cursor in the corner. It is not a command line. What did I do wrong?
[13:48] <eliesin> Also sort of puzzlingly, the only "ifconfig <foo that's not <IP_ADDRESS>> up" instances I can find in /etc are firmly associated with Wifi, not ethernet. I guess NetworkManager does it on its own, maybe...
[13:49] <lenti> no one speak?
[13:49] <eliesin> (but then why not with Wifi.)
[13:49] <mrdeb> what is ubuntu convergance in 14.05
[13:49] <mrdeb> 04
[13:50] <bekks> mrdeb: There is no development on 14.04 yet.
[13:51] <lenti> no one speak?
[13:51] <mrdeb> so it will get rid of fragment of gnome and have one single unity
[13:51] <mrdeb> is that it
[13:53] <varunendra> eliesin, what instances? Where did you find them in /etc ?
[13:53] <eliesin> http://pastie.org/8362431
[13:54] <eliesin> /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools and /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh-1000 handle wifi only and /etc/init/network-interface.conf uses it as a lo fallback
[13:55] <lenti> what?
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !topic|lenti,
[13:57] <petersaints> hi guys. How do I install Secure Boot support on an install that was installed with UEFI with Secure Boot turned off?
[13:57] <bibic682> anyone.....will xubuntu run smooth on a single core amd64 752 pin based pc..2g of ram
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> bibic682  use a live cd or usb toi find out, don't have to install
[13:58] <cfhowlett> bibic682, sounds about right ... lubuntu and xubuntu are optimized for low spec machines
[13:58] <bibic682> I'm downloading iso as we type
[13:58] <petersaints> bibic682: I think Xubuntu will work ok
[13:59] <petersaints> depending on the graphics card, even Ubuntu may run relatively well
[14:00] <bibic682> will report back later
[14:01] <bibic682> 10.10 ran great... but no longer supported  :(
[14:01] <winb> why not 12.04
[14:04] <usr13_> bibic682: Are you downloading 12.04?
[14:05] <bibic682> 13.04
[14:05] <lenti> want to go to sleep,bye
[14:05] <Ari-Yang> bibic682, just in case... 13.04 is not LTS
[14:06] <petersaints> bibic682: Next LTS will be 14.04.
[14:06] <bibic682> thats ok if it runs well I will change over to lts
[14:08] <abdel> hello please is there any software i can install to design professional logos
[14:08] <cfhowlett> abdel, blender or inkscape
[14:08] <mrrcp> abdel: GIMP?
[14:10] <excognac> hi all. anybody knows how to stop testdisk copying files from an unallocated internal hdd partition (ext4) to an external hdd? after successfully rescueing a few files it doesn't seem to continue so I wanna try to save files/directories one by one