[01:56] <ekoeko> this might seem picky but is there an easy way to turn the number lock key on by default when i boot up
[01:56] <ekoeko> im using ubunu 10.10
[01:57] <ekoeko> ubuntu rather
[02:28] <szczur> ekoeko, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[02:31] <ekoeko> thanks szczur
[03:43] <zimie> i need some help to setup a transparent proxy server
[06:51] <Guest66286> Im getting a "Cound not initialize the package information" error in update manager ubuntu 10.10. Any ideas anyone? thanks
[06:54] <Cheri703> it may be due to an error in a source, did you recently add a ppa or repository?
[06:55] <Guest66286> not sure.. i can past the specific information along with it
[06:55] <Cheri703> that could help
[06:55] <Guest66286> 'W:Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages), W:Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_dockbar-main_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages), E:Encountered a
[06:57] <Cheri703> ok, go to your software sources list (you may need to go via synaptic or software center)
[06:57] <Cheri703> do you know how to get to it?
[06:58] <Guest66286> im getting a similar error when opening synaptic
[06:58] <Cheri703> can you open it though?
[06:59] <aveilleux> Guest66286: You can use the ppa-purge package to remove the duplicate source
[06:59] <Cheri703> ok, that works too :)
[06:59] <Guest66286> alright how to a use that?
[07:00] <Cheri703> you'll have to take that one aveilleux, I'm not familiar with it
[07:00] <aveilleux> Guest66286: open Terminal, run "sudo apt-get install ppa-purge" (without the quotes). Then run the command "sudo ppa-purge ppa:dockbar-main/ppa
[07:00] <aveilleux> "
[07:02] <Guest66286> tcrippen@tcrippen-Studio-1555:~$ sudo apt-get install ppa-purge [sudo] password for tcrippen:  Reading package lists... Error! W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Pa
[07:02] <Cheri703> I think the other way is going to be most straightforward
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: type "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" without the quotes
[07:03] <Guest66286> with the dockbar part included you mean?
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: And use that
[07:03] <aveilleux> Guest66286: It should bring up a text file with a bunch of lines. Try to see if there are any duplicate lines (probably near the bottom)
[07:07] <Guest66286> got it but im not seeing any duplicate lines..
[07:07] <Cheri703> Guest66286: you could search for "dockbar" and see if there are duplicates
[07:07] <Cheri703> sometimes easier than trying to scan over it visually
[07:09] <Guest66286> ya theres only one dockbar deb package
[07:10] <aveilleux> Guest66286: You may have a duplicate in /etc/apr/sources.list.d/
[07:12] <Guest66286> same gksudo gedit command right?
[07:15] <aveilleux> Guest66286: do "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/"
[07:15] <aveilleux> Guest66286: Since it's a directory, not a file
[07:16] <Guest66286> whats the command? is?
[07:17] <Cheri703> L
[07:17] <Cheri703> but lowercase
[07:17] <Guest66286> lol
[07:17] <Cheri703> ls
[07:17] <Guest66286> my bad
[07:17] <Cheri703> np
[07:18] <Guest66286> no such file or directory
[07:19] <aveilleux> interesting
[07:24] <Guest66286> I checked out the error report again and part of it was "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists" i ran ls /var/lib/apt/lists and got a whole list of packages and stuff
[07:28] <Guest66286> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/dockbar-main/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_dockbar-main_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[07:28] <Guest66286> those are the two duplicates according to snaptic. do i need to remove them or what?
[07:29] <bioterror> remove another one
[07:29] <aveilleux> Guest66286: I'm hesitant to touch anything in /var, but I'm not very well-versed in apt problems
[07:30] <bioterror> you have it twice there
[07:30] <Guest66286> bioterror: so would removing one of the dupicates fix the problem?
[07:44] <bioterror> da
[08:27] <laxmi> hey
[08:28] <coolbhavi> hey laxmi
[08:28] <laxmi> oh
[08:28] <laxmi> u r there
[08:28] <coolbhavi> yes
[08:29] <coolbhavi> please tell us your problem if any
[08:30] <laxmi> my wireless network works but wired network does not work
[08:31] <coolbhavi> laxmi: which is your provider?
[08:32] <laxmi> nepal telecom
[09:45] <simar_> Hello everyone I have already introduced myself as a new prospective member of ubuntu-beginners team and would like to work in development focus group. I would need a master (My timezone is +5:30) and for that  I have already added my name in seeking masters list. )
[09:50] <coolbhavi> simar_: hello and welcome
[09:50] <coolbhavi> :)
[09:51] <simar_> coolbhavi, thanks ..
[09:51] <simar_> coolbhavi, you are a member?
[09:51] <bioterror> :D
[09:51] <zkriesse> Ja he is
[09:51] <bioterror> technically coolbhavi is a correct person to talk with
[09:52] <bioterror> :D
[09:52] <zkriesse> simar_: I'm a member too...but also a BT Master, BT Mentor, and FG Lead for the Wiki FG
[09:52] <bioterror> lots of dev guys coming, but not enough mentors/masters
[09:54] <simar_> i think then this should not be a problem cos coolbhavi already knows me well..
[09:55] <zkriesse> Great
[09:56] <bioterror> simar_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gaurav-pawaskar this is my padawan who is also interested in development, if you see him on IRC, have a chat with him
[09:57] <simar_> bioterror, thanks..
[09:57] <bioterror> he's from mumbai
[09:58] <simar_> bioterror, hmm I'm going to that place on 12th that would be for the first time ..
[09:59] <simar_> bioterror, otherwise its a far off place from where i live(in india).
[10:02] <simar_> coolbhavi, what specifically do you do coding for.. in what language?
[10:26] <coolbhavi> simar_: sorry mate had gone out for lunch
[10:27] <coolbhavi> simar_: m more of a packager than a coder
[10:28] <simar_> coolbhavi, now I know you a great everything ):
[10:28] <simar_> coolbhavi, have you checked you gmail chat..
[10:28] <coolbhavi> simar_: because m a sysadmin at work at the day :) yes mate
[10:29] <simar_> coolbhavi, hmmm
[11:16] <Cowboy79> Morning everyone are there any problems with the update servers?
[11:18] <Puck`> Cowboy79: you can switch between servers, so you can pick another one. Sometimes mirrors are down
[11:19] <Cowboy79> Thank puck already did that with pick best server
[11:20] <Cowboy79> Problem is not getting the packages its unpacking them it just sits doing nothing in terminal and update manager any idea why?
[11:29] <bioterror> hi szczur
[11:29] <szczur> hi bioterror
[13:19] <johnny77> Can you uninstall apps without internet?
[13:19] <bioterror> sure
[13:19] <JoeMaverickSett> of course
[13:20]  * JoeMaverickSett walks the path of slowness again... :D
[13:20] <bioterror> yeah, you have them in your genes
[13:20] <bioterror> there's nothing much that you can do about it
[13:21] <JoeMaverickSett> XD
[13:21] <bioterror> my friend is totally slow
[13:21] <johnny77> I thought so, but I tried sudo aptitude remove network-manager-gnome and it gave me an error - dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem.
[13:21] <bioterror> your dpkg is messed up
[13:21] <bioterror> do as it says
[13:22] <johnny77> bioterror: You're so helpful :)
[13:22] <bioterror> I am
[13:22] <bioterror> I think I'll go now watch myself from mirror
[13:23] <bioterror> hi cprofitt
[14:56] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi guys, I am getting this error while pushing code..
[14:56] <gaurav_pawaskar> Permission denied (publickey).
[14:57] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[14:57] <gaurav_pawaskar> need help
[15:09] <marlow59> hey
[15:13] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[15:13] <gaurav_pawaskar> need help.. can not push code
[15:14] <johnny77> I have an wireless connection that I know works. But if I reboot it will not reconnect. Then after a day or so it will connect again. What could be wrong?
[15:14] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: you using launchpad?
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint:yes
[15:14] <stlsaint> johnny77: sounds like hardware issue
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> how come its hardware issue..
[15:14] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: have you let bzr know "who you are"
[15:14] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes its showing correct
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> its related to ssh key..
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> i am not able to figure it out
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> 1st time I am pushing code
[15:15] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: try here: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[15:15] <stlsaint> ssh key?
[15:15] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes i have uploaded to launchpad
[15:16] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: is this your branch you are pushing to?
[15:16] <johnny77> stlsaint: What would be wrong in the hardware that would cause that?
[15:16] <stlsaint> johnny77: faulty nic
[15:17] <johnny77> stlsaint: It is an old notebook.. so the nic card could just be going bad?
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> well thing is, i have written code for a tool
[15:17] <stlsaint> johnny77: possibly
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> new tool
[15:17] <gaurav_pawaskar> bzr push lp:~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt/MD5_Matrix_code/
[15:17] <johnny77> stlsaint: is there a way to test?
[15:17] <stlsaint> johnny77: look up the nic card and see if there are any bugs out in launchpad with it on the OS you are using
[15:18] <gaurav_pawaskar> this is the command i am issuing
[15:18] <tta> hello
[15:19] <gaurav_pawaskar> i created ida_rsa and ida_dsa files in .ssh dir
[15:19] <gaurav_pawaskar> but its not able to authenticate me
[15:19] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: remove that last / from command
[15:20] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also why do you have id_rsa AND ida_dsa keys?
[15:20] <stlsaint> tta: yo
[15:20] <gaurav_pawaskar> still same error...
[15:20] <tta> if a problem occur during the installation when i select the language, how can i solve the problem?
[15:20] <gaurav_pawaskar> i guessed its failing my ssh authentication
[15:21] <stlsaint> you should only be authenticating with one key
[15:21] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ^^
[15:21] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes
[15:21] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: did you properly upload your key to lp?
[15:21] <stlsaint> no issues with that?
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes i did that freshly once again yesterday
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> bit still its giving me same
[15:22] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: ^^
[15:23] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: have you tried the dsa key then?
[15:23] <gaurav_pawaskar> how to change encryption. I mean i have both keys
[15:24] <gaurav_pawaskar> how to force bzr to use dsa or rsa?
[15:24] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: ^^
[15:24] <stlsaint> remove the rsa key and leave only the dsa then upload it to bzr
[15:26] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also to test you may want to create new branch, push code to that branch then merge the two
[15:27] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: also see here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+question/80792
[15:28] <gaurav_pawaskar> okey
[15:28] <gaurav_pawaskar> I already saw this :(
[15:29] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: did you try making new branch?
[15:30] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint : i am getting a fresh branch and try it again. let me check this time
[15:32] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint: I am not able to get code too
[15:32] <gaurav_pawaskar> branch command throwing same error
[15:34] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: so you have made new keys and tried with new branch and still same error?
[15:34] <gaurav_pawaskar> stlsaint:ye
[15:34] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes*
[15:36] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: authmethod_lookup publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: remaining preferred: keyboard-interactive,password
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: authmethod_is_enabled publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Offering public key: gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: send_pubkey_test
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Offering public key: gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: send_pubkey_test
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug1: Trying private key: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE8DAC71
[15:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> debug3: no such identity: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE8DAC71
[15:37] <stlsaint> you have something set wrong with the creation of your keys
[15:38] <stlsaint> "no such identity: /home/gaurav/.ssh/FE..." is there not a key there in your .ssh folder? and if so can you verify it is the same that is on lp?
[15:42] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: ?
[15:43] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: what is link to your lp account?
[15:43] <gaurav_pawaskar> https://launchpad.net/~gaurav-pawaskar/
[15:44] <stlsaint> gaurav_pawaskar: are you keeping all your info the same between your computer and lp?
[15:45] <gaurav_pawaskar> hey guys.. it worked.. :)
[15:45] <duanedesign> how
[15:45] <gaurav_pawaskar> some trial and errors
[15:45] <duanedesign> lol
[15:45] <stlsaint> nice
[15:46] <duanedesign> do you know what it ended up being, I am curious
[15:46] <stlsaint> anyway you can do a mini write up on how you did it?
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> but thanks a lot stlsaint..
[15:46] <stlsaint> lol
[15:46] <stlsaint> duanedesign: lol, i want to know as well
[15:46] <johnny77> stlsaint: If I got a USB wireless adapter would that bypass the problem with faulty built in nic or cause more problems?
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> i removed everything from .ssh
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> again created rsa key
[15:46] <gaurav_pawaskar> again uploaded.
[15:47] <duanedesign> gaurav_pawaskar: well third time is a charm
[15:47] <duanedesign> ;)
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster:~/randy-qt$ bzr push lp:~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt/MD5_Matrix_code
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> Using default stacking branch /~randy-dev/randy-qt/Randyqt at lp-65725392:///~gaurav-pawaskar/randy-qt
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> Created new stacked branch referring to /~randy-dev/randy-qt/Randyqt.
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> gaurav@gaurav-Mini-Monster:~/randy-qt$
[15:47] <gaurav_pawaskar> is this expected to come?
[15:48] <duanedesign> that is ok
[15:48] <stlsaint> yea
[15:48] <gaurav_pawaskar> ohh great. Finally I did it. :D
[15:48]  * gaurav_pawaskar clapping for himself
[15:48] <duanedesign> https://code.launchpad.net/~gaurav-pawaskar
[15:48]  * stlsaint gives own pat on back :P
[15:48] <duanedesign> there is is \o/
[15:49] <stlsaint> lol
[15:49] <gaurav_pawaskar> Yahooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
[15:50] <duanedesign> gaurav_pawaskar: and it is showing up here as well :) https://code.launchpad.net/randy-qt
[15:51] <gaurav_pawaskar> I am loving it.
[15:57] <stlsaint> johnny77: anything having to do with network will pass by nic
[16:36] <jamiedmattingly> has anyone had issues with audio drivers on hp computer??
[16:39] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: hp mininote
[16:39] <holstein> via hardware
[16:40] <holstein> better recently though
[16:40] <holstein> i use that machine with JACK and a firewire device usually though
[16:40] <holstein> so i dont really get a lot of testing time
[16:40] <jamiedmattingly> i have a hp touchsmart 300 dont care about the touch screen stuff but i would like to hear it
[16:41] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: do you see the hardware in lspci?
[16:41] <jamiedmattingly> ok help me out here what is lspci?
[16:42] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: open a terminal
[16:42] <holstein> and run
[16:42] <holstein> lspci
[16:42] <holstein> you should see something that looks like your audio hardware
[16:43] <holstein> that doesnt really mean anything though
[16:43] <holstein> THEN, you can run in a terminal
[16:43] <holstein> aplay -l
[16:43] <holstein> and
[16:43] <holstein> a record -l
[16:43] <holstein> ^^ those last 2 are very telling
[16:43] <holstein> IF you see the hardware there, you have a *much* easier time
[16:43] <holstein> jamiedmattingly: i dont have much time to hang
[16:43] <holstein> but try those
[16:44] <holstein> and you can also run alsamixer
[16:44] <holstein> and check the levels on everything
[16:44] <holstein> the labels can be wrong
[16:45]  * holstein gotta run...
[17:41] <NRWlion> hello again
[18:46] <xyclo> Question: After removing PulseAudio, which is not working too good, how do I manage my sound cards? I have a Zoom H2 that I use for Skype and other things, that I'd rather not use with Jack.
[18:47] <aveilleux> xyclo: You can use ALSA (uses alsamixer and alsamixer-gtk)
[18:48] <xyclo> great, I'll try. Thanks, aveilleux!
[19:22] <yoyo> hello,
[19:23] <yoyo> i cant see wireless connection on ubuntu netbook :/
[19:23] <yoyo> can anyone help me ? :s
[19:23] <holstein> yoyo: is this a fresh install?
[19:23] <holstein> or did wifi break?
[19:23] <yoyo> its fresh install
[19:23] <holstein> yoyo: the easy way
[19:23] <holstein> plug the computer in wired to internet
[19:24] <yoyo> i have plug it
[19:24] <holstein> you might need to restart to trigger the prompt
[19:24] <yoyo> after plug in to wired make restart ?
[19:24] <holstein> depends
[19:24] <holstein> im assuming several things when suggesting that
[19:24] <holstein> yoyo: what hardware?
[19:25] <yoyo> after i install ubuntu
[19:25] <yoyo> i connect to wireless
[19:25] <yoyo> today i make all updates
[19:25] <yoyo> and after restart
[19:25] <yoyo> cant see the wireless network
[19:25] <yoyo> just wired network
[19:25] <yoyo> but on Network Tools in Wireless section i can see Auto Mywireless name
[19:26] <yoyo> ubuntu 10.10
[19:26] <yoyo> when i open connection list up show just Auto eth0
[19:26] <yoyo> and when i make ipconfig
[19:26] <yoyo> show just lo and eth0
[19:26] <yoyo> before show to wlan0
[19:27] <yoyo>  iwconfig
[19:27] <yoyo> lo        no wireless extensions.
[19:27] <yoyo> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[19:28] <holstein> yoyo: OK
[19:28] <holstein> so not a fresh install then
[19:28] <holstein> its soemthing that worked
[19:28] <holstein> and then broke
[19:28] <holstein> gotcha
[19:28] <holstein> yoyo: when booting
[19:28] <holstein> if you dont see the GRUB menu
[19:28] <holstein> hit the shift key
[19:28] <holstein> and choose an older kernel to boot into
[19:28] <holstein> and see if the wireles works
[19:29] <holstein> then, you'll know a little more about what you need to do
[19:29] <yoyo> ok but first i have to wait for update finish
[19:29] <yoyo> and one problem more
[19:30] <holstein> well, resart after the update
[19:30] <holstein> that might fix it
[19:30] <yoyo> and my keybord didnt work
[19:30] <yoyo> :s
[19:30] <holstein> didnt?
[19:30] <holstein> or doesnt?
[19:30] <yoyo> not work
[19:30] <holstein> or did and does now?
[19:30] <yoyo> sry for my english
[19:30] <holstein> no worries
[19:31] <yoyo> work before
[19:31] <holstein> im just making sure i understand
[19:31] <yoyo> but after update and restart not working
[19:31] <yoyo> same with wireless
[19:31] <holstein> yeah, but you are doing another update?
[19:31] <yoyo> yes
[19:31] <holstein> OK
[19:31] <holstein> try rebooting after that update
[19:31] <holstein> then, next
[19:31] <holstein> try and older kernel
[19:32] <yoyo> ok iam waiting :)
[19:32] <holstein> then, come back and we'll search around for hardware specifics
[19:32] <yoyo> ok thank you very much holstein
[19:32] <yoyo> iam new on ubuntu server and my english is very bad :P
[19:32] <holstein> yoyo: sure, i might not be in here
[19:33] <holstein> but someone will help get you sorted :)
[19:33] <yoyo> ubuntu desktop*
[19:33] <yoyo> ok its not problem
[19:33] <yoyo> i think after update its get fixed all :D
[19:34] <holstein> yeah, i hope so too :)
[19:34]  * holstein crosses fingers
[20:27] <NRWlion> good Evening
[20:29] <mongox> good nite all
[20:30] <NRWlion> n8 mongox
[20:30] <mongox> I been meesing around with my autologin in /etc/lxdm/default.conf (im using lubuntu atm) and now everytime i start
[20:30] <mongox> i got a sign telling my something along the lines of " xsession unable to lauunch "openbox-gnome" ...
[20:31] <mongox> if i press ok i would have the desktop but probably i delete some entry or something
[20:34] <NRWlion> mongox, sorry i am not able to help :(
[20:34] <mongox> pastebin.com/3UeTnTWv
[20:34] <bioterror> sudo cp /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[20:35] <bioterror> hmm
[20:35] <bioterror> almost works :D
[20:35] <bioterror> wrong background
[20:35] <mongox> almost (soorry someone is at the phone brb
[20:43] <mongox> [sorry] someone call me
[20:43] <mongox> is kind of weird because apears that text in a very strange videomode and after i clik okey i got the desktop as usual
[20:44] <mongox> and the only thing i don't find is the button to sign out/ suspend switch off / etc
[22:03] <LucyZephyr> Ah, hello? Can anyone help a novice figure out how to set up a router? The Help Docs seem to only discuss how to turn a ubuntu system *into* a router...
[23:03] <seidos> what is the most secure version of ubuntu?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> the version as installed, before going online and adding any applications
[23:07] <charlie-tca> seidos: I think they are all about equal, since they use the same basic packages
[23:07] <seidos> who is allowed to add packages to an install?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> However, Ubuntu has always attempted to be as secure as possible for the new user
[23:07] <charlie-tca> anyone with the sudo password and admin rights
[23:08] <seidos> i met to the distro.  only canonical employees?
[23:08] <seidos> *meant
[23:08] <charlie-tca> no, canonical doesn't actually build the images, Ubuntu does
[23:08] <seidos> so it could have been compromised
[23:08] <charlie-tca> There is a very explicit list of names, though
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It is not wide open to anyone to add packages or remove packages
[23:09] <charlie-tca> If you are speaking in absolute terms, yes, anything could be compromised
[23:09] <charlie-tca> If you are being realistic, the chances are extremely slim
[23:10] <seidos> how slim?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> um, slim enough that it has not happened since the first release
[23:11] <seidos> how would you know what has happened since the first release?  have you been monitoring all 12 million users?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> that is the reason we have the md5sum checks, and other verification checks built in
[23:11] <seidos> possible it got under the radar
[23:11] <seidos> it's about who's on the motu, and trust
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I can't say that someone could not do it, I said realistically
[23:12] <seidos> i'll reinstall.  should i format my home partition?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> hypothetically speaking, not even the pentagon in the USA is secure.
[23:12] <seidos> shouldn't have to, right?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> correct, should not have to reformat /home
[23:12] <charlie-tca> however, that does not mean your system wasn't not compromised, either.
[23:13] <seidos> no way for me to record if it has
[23:14] <charlie-tca> There is also the possibility that someone could compromise an image on a mirror, before you download it
[23:14] <charlie-tca> they can also grab and modify it if you use wireless
[23:14] <seidos> ok
[23:15] <charlie-tca> but then, that applies to any distribution, doesn't it?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Even Microsoft has handed out compromised discs before
[23:16] <charlie-tca> and, I seem to recall one of the antivirus companies doing that, too, at comdex one year
[23:18] <seidos> i am hypothesizing that 64bit is just as secure as 32bit
[23:19] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. But do check the md5sum
[23:19] <johnny77> If I'm doing a sudo apt-get upgrade why would a package be held back?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> because it depends on a package that is not ready yet
[23:20] <NRWlion> good Night from germany!
[23:21] <charlie-tca> could be a kernel header, too, which, afair, won't upgrade using apt-get upgrade (equal to aptitude safe-upgrade)
[23:25] <johnny77> This is quite a learning experience. I installed a CLI then fluxbox. No file manager, no synaptic no a lot of things :)
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is a good way to learn


[09:05] <gtriderxc> http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html
[09:15] <trijntje> thats bad..
[11:04] <trijntje> I just noticed that shotwell is no longer fully translated to dutch, while it was before. Does anyone know something about last-minute string additions to shotwell?
[11:04] <askhl> It's bad, but on a multi-user system users wouldn't be able to sniff each others' keystrokes.  The reason why it apparently happens here is obviously that X gets the keystrokes before they go to the X-terminal
[11:04] <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/nl/?batch=300
[11:04] <askhl> So if you su from an X window, obviously everything typed into it will go through X first
[11:04] <askhl> Another user logged in would not generally be in that situation.
[11:05] <askhl> Still it's quite a problem that the programmes running on the same account can see all the input
[11:07] <askhl> trijntje: strange, there's approximately the same amount of untranslated strings in the Danish one
[11:28] <trijntje> askhl, so probably some change that landed too late
[16:31] <Traumness> http://www.vegamediapress.es/noticias/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16117&Itemid=1


[12:12] <tomreyn> On https://ubuntustudio.org/ "Release Notes" points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio , which are for Focal Fossa, so 20.04
[12:15] <tomreyn> It should probably point to https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-22-04-lts-release-notes/ (also because there is not https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JammyJellyfish/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio )
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Yeah, I updated that after it was poitned out on Twitter.
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: Did you test the studio-controls in -proposed?
[16:07] <BrianHechinger[m> Not yet, i just got it rebooted and set back to ALSA then i had to run out for a bit. Will check soon.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: Cool. Just remember to enable proposed, install studio-controls from the command line, and disable proposed. You don't want that to remain enabled, stuff has a bad habit of breaking when that happens. :)
[16:10] <BrianHechinger[m> I don't need that, no, so thanks for the tip. :)
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, wholesale upgrades with -propsed enabled = bad.
[21:10] <tomreyn> And you might want to set some additional HTTP headers (if that's something you can do - sorry if i asked before): https://securityheaders.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntustudio.org%2F&hide=on&followRedirects=on
[21:10] <tomreyn> Content-Security-Policy can require some testing, the others should be painless.
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: We have no such access, that's 100% on Canonical IS.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: It's also Wordpress, so I'm pretty sure they don't even have that kind of level.


[01:32] <Checkmate> hey i've problem with sed
[01:32] <Checkmate> can run any command
[01:32] <Checkmate> can't
[01:41] <compdoc> what happens?
[01:44] <genewitch> installed a usb wlan nic but nothing comes up in ifconfig, dmesg: http://projectftm.com/#v80Qq-PQ3z7cbxooxpGcvA
[01:44] <genewitch> what am i missing?
[01:45] <genewitch> ip link: http://projectftm.com/#EQ2snLcjOOQopP2HrQzZ5A   and lsmod shows the 8814au loaded but not in use
[01:48] <genewitch> iwlist scan: http://projectftm.com/#ApT0lE_F-dFiIUhyk0i5LA  i'm not sure if there's something else i configured incorrectly prior to trying to set up wlan
[02:07] <genewitch> anyone?
[02:58] <genewitch> hm
[06:14] <genewitch> i fixed it with a github repo, that made a dkms instead of a modprobe module, comes up on boot
[12:48] <bipul> Hi.
[12:49] <bipul> I'm facing an issue while installing Ubuntu server 18.04 with preseed method. I would be thankful if somebody points out where i'm doing mistake here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w338ZcGTVt/
[17:06] <hackeron> hey, I have a question, ubuntu has both journald and rsyslogd - is there any way to get journald to pick up all logs currently going to syslog?
[17:14] <joop_> /close
[17:46] <JanC> hackeron: do you have logs that go to rsyslogd but not to journald?
[17:50] <hackeron> JanC: yes, I can't find the log lines I see in /var/log/ken.log and /var/log/syslog when I run sudo journalctl
[17:55] <hackeron> oh, I added ForwardToSyslog=no
[17:55] <hackeron> to journald.conf and now I'm seeing them :D
[17:59] <JanC> ForwardToSyslog should not influence what gets logged by journald itself?
[18:37] <bipul> Hello how to install Ubuntu server 18.04 via preseed method?
[19:21] <tomreyn> bipul: same as previous releases, but using the netboot / mini / alternative installer. i assume the server-live installer cant be used for preseed installations, yet (i may be wrong),
[19:56] <compdoc> are errors that are written to the console logged somewhere?
[19:56] <bipul> tomreyn, here is the step which i have performed sudo apt install qemu qemu-utils qemu-system ovmf
[19:56] <bipul> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y9dfzmZjgV/
[19:56] <bipul> ignore qemu installation command
[20:01] <compdoc> Im more of a virt-manager kinda guy
[20:09] <raidghost> WHY is the ubuntu installer (ORANGE) shutting down when its time to type username and password and all that other stuff.  Ive tried to install ubuntu server 18.04 for like 10 times. the same crap is happening every time.
[20:10] <tomreyn> compdoc: what do you mean by console exactly? what's printed to a tty? or a virtual terminal?
[20:11] <tomreyn> raidghost: which hardware is it? is this 18.04.1 or .0?
[20:11] <raidghost> tomreyn: latest LTS
[20:11] <tomreyn> raidghost: .1 then. any special configurstions?
[20:11] <raidghost> no.
[20:12] <tomreyn> so which harware?
[20:12] <raidghost> added raid and lvm settings in partition. Thats all.
[20:12] <raidghost> Its a intel i7 8086K 32GB ram and asrock z370 pro4
[20:13] <raidghost> got 2 twintuner cards from hauppauge, but would be WEIRD if that was the reason
[20:13] <tomreyn> repeating my other qurestion: does it power down instantly, or does it do an rderly shutdown?
[20:14] <raidghost> tomreyn: it shuts down services and then turn the computer off
[20:14] <raidghost> not power down instantly, it shuts down like if i pressed CTRL ALT del,
[20:15] <raidghost> but i dont touch that keys
[20:15] <tomreyn> so it behaves as if it had been given a power down request via acpii (power button pressed9
[20:15] <tomreyn> ctrl-alt-del would trigger a reboot, does it reboot afterwards?
[20:16] <raidghost> it doesnt reboot
[20:17] <tomreyn> okay, have you tried to verify the installation iso was properly downloaded and also properly written to the installation media?
[20:17] <tomreyn> if not, i*d recommend doing this next
[20:18] <tomreyn> also a bios update may be a good next step (but i'd hold this back until you've verified the download + installation media)
[20:18] <raidghost> tomreyn: the iso was perfectly downloaded. perfectly written to the installation media. I been using ubuntu-server for some years. Never had any issues
[20:18] <raidghost> bios is up to date.
[20:18] <raidghost> The NONE orange installer, would be to prefered used
[20:18] <tomreyn> "perfectly" as in you verified the checksums?
[20:18] <raidghost> yes
[20:19] <tomreyn> well if you prefer to use the alternative installer, then just do it ;)
[20:19] <raidghost> Whats it named?
[20:19] <tomreyn> "alternative installer"
[20:20] <raidghost> so ubuntu-server something- alternative installer
[20:20] <raidghost> ?
[20:20] <raidghost> .iso
[20:20] <tomreyn> no
[20:20] <tomreyn> the file name scheme is the same it used to be in erarlier releases
[20:21] <tomreyn> i.e. compared to the new subiquity based orange themed installer the alternative / classic / debian-installer based  / blue themed installer lacks the word 'live' in its ISO file name.
[20:22] <raidghost> ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso  ?
[20:22] <raidghost> and the desktop version
[20:23] <compdoc> tomreyn, messages printed on the server's console while not logged in.
[20:24] <raidghost> tomreyn: I give it a shoot without the twintuners, just to be sure it aint the problem
[20:24] <compdoc> I just built a system for a friend with the  i7 8086K and 32G ram. very fast
[20:24] <raidghost> compdoc: no issue?
[20:24] <compdoc> well, it runs win10pro
[20:25] <compdoc> do you oc?
[20:25] <raidghost> Neeh. no OC i like to keep the lifetime as long as possible
[20:25] <compdoc> she got a rtx2080 card too
[20:25] <raidghost> gamer?
[20:25] <raidghost> LOL:P
[20:25] <compdoc> nope, coder
[20:25] <compdoc> waste of card
[20:25] <raidghost> hehehe
[20:25] <raidghost> you go tell here
[20:26] <compdoc> ubuntu on its own wont crash at install. so possible bios setting, or other hardware
[20:27] <compdoc> she has the asrock H370M Pro4
[20:27] <compdoc> have you ever seen a bios setting for pci latency timer?
[20:28] <raidghost> compdoc: the bios shows up as JAPANESE characters without a external graphical card
[20:28] <compdoc> yikes
[20:28] <raidghost> So i soon give a damn in trying to get the iptvserver up running.
[20:29] <raidghost> Wasting time on something that aint wurth it, = Wasted time
[20:29] <compdoc> does it boot to the live desktop ?
[20:29] <compdoc> ah
[20:29] <raidghost> compdoc: not sure, since its the ubuntu-server image on the thumbdrive
[20:30] <compdoc> I was using mythtv running in a vm on mine server for a long time
[20:30] <raidghost> its as hard as to learn my girlfriend how to change sources on my amplifier
[20:30] <raidghost> did you get PCI passtrough ?
[20:30] <raidghost> tried to run tvheadend in a vm, but the picture was frame by frame. Like OLD DAYS video
[20:30] <compdoc> I dont like PCI passtrough so I dont use it
[20:31] <raidghost> How do you get the card to work 100% perfect then ?
[20:32] <compdoc> I used mythv to record some tv channels, and raspberry pis to stream he recordings to my tvs around the house
[20:33] <compdoc> a video card, you mean?
[20:33] <compdoc> I do everything remote, so no video cards involved
[20:33] <raidghost> compdoc: Tvtuner dvb-c
[20:35] <compdoc> oh. I use SiliconDust HDHomeRun. records 3 channels at once
[20:35] <compdoc> needs a cable card tho
[20:35] <compdoc> if you have cable
[20:35] <tomreyn> compdoc: messgaes printed to console are also stored in the kernel ring buffer, which is usually logged to the journal (i.e. use journalctl -s)
[20:35] <compdoc> ty
[20:36] <tomreyn> or dmesg -s during runtmie
[20:36] <tomreyn> and it's journalctl --system, not -s
[20:39] <tomreyn> raidghost: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads#alternate-ubuntu-server-installer
[20:40] <tomreyn> how did you verify the hardwar is stable? did you run 2 full passes of memcheck86+ ? did you cpuburn?
[20:41] <tomreyn> bios in all japanese sounds dodgy
[20:42] <tomreyn> or was it chinese?
[21:24] <raidghost> chinese
[23:06] <raidghost> tomreyn: Any known bug about apt-get install ? it doesnt install package
[23:13] <tomreyn> raidghost: this is way too unspecific.
[23:14] <tomreyn> got any details such as the exact command you ran, the outputit generated, and the ubuntu version + architecture?
[23:38] <tomreyn> gtg


 A bit noisy though
[07:17] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: regarding your 10GB /var question: by default DBs install under /var/lib/${DB_app}  so I usually split /var and /var/log to avoid logs being affected by DB growing crazily and vice versa
[07:17] <theblazehen> +1 andrewlsd
[07:17] <andrewlsd> that was re nsnzero's question yesterday
[07:17] <Kilos> hi nsnzero paddatrapper theblazehen andrewlsd
[07:18] <Kilos> and inetpro
[07:18] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[07:18] <andrewlsd> (i'm scrolling thru last night's meeting and backlog)
[07:18] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[07:22] <paddatrapper> hi Kilos
[07:22] <andrewlsd> paddatrapper: I wish I could go. Got stuff on tomorrow evening.
[07:23] <paddatrapper> sounds like it's going to be quite fun
[07:24] <andrewlsd> only topic I can see is highvoltage "Reason to use Debian". What else is on the program
[07:25]  * andrewlsd goes away to do some OpenShift stuff
[07:38] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: thanks - seems stable at 13% usage - cache is using 600megs - rest is just small logs
[07:40] <andrewlsd> +1 nsnzero
[07:42] <nsnzero> apprenty ubuntu will warn if space is running low
[07:49] <andrewlsd_quasse> yip
[07:54] <Kilos> haha yeah big popup
[07:54] <Kilos> you have no more space on your drive
[08:08] <chesedo> morning nsnzero paddatrapper theblazehen andrewlsd_quasse Kilos and all others
[08:09] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd_quasse: the Joberg talks will be streamed live to the CT venue
[08:09] <paddatrapper> morngin chesedo
[08:09] <paddatrapper> morning too
[08:11] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: Though I have no idea what those talks are on
[08:11] <theblazehen> hey chesedo
[08:11] <andrewlsd> \o chesedo
[08:33] <Squirm_> Morning
[08:44] <andrewlsd> \o Squirm_
[08:49] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[08:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm_
[08:52] <chesedo> hi Squirm_
[08:53] <Squirm_> Lots of welcomes :)
[08:53] <Squirm_> How're you all!?
[09:05] <andrewlsd> Squirm_: good thanks. What is news from the berg?
[09:41]  * andrewlsd lurks
[10:00]  * andrewlsd disconnects from QuasselCore
[10:42] <nsnzero> bought a usb to sata convertor -asked the sales man it will work with a 2.5 inch disk - yes he said
[10:43] <nsnzero> i should have looked for myself
[10:58] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: sounds like a 2.5" USB enclosure for SATA drive.
[11:04] <nsnzero> no andrewlsd - its just a plug with ide + sata connectors and a power supply
[11:05] <andrewlsd> aah, I bought one of those a while ago
[11:05]  * andrewlsd wonders where he put it
[11:05] <andrewlsd> I imagined I might need it one day to retrieve data from some of the IDE drives that still have some backed-up info of mine.
[11:06] <nsnzero> i have re purposed the power supply to work with a usb 2.5inch casing that would only work with usb 1.1
[11:06] <andrewlsd> s/have/had/   by now I think.
[11:06] <andrewlsd> Maaz: coffee on
[11:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:07] <nsnzero> i had to dig up some leds from old towers to get the power connections right - i am glad i am a horder
[11:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for andrewlsd!
[11:11] <nsnzero> played around with my zsh -> https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/E94TFiE82.png
[11:12] <nsnzero> got a tooti fruity theme going
[11:13] <andrewlsd> Maaz: coffee please
[11:13] <Maaz> andrewlsd: There isn't a pot on
[11:14] <andrewlsd> +1 nsnzero
[11:15]  * andrewlsd disconnects again
[11:42] <nsnzero> fyi - if you have a ssh connection to remote storage you can use the fish protocol to access it from your file manager
[11:43] <nsnzero> just type fish://address of machine
[11:43] <nsnzero> in the file manager location bar
[12:26] <nsnzero> chat later guys - have a good afternoon
[13:07] <chesedo> we have a massive storm brewing... see later
[13:51] <andrewlsd> wish we could have a storm or two down in the South
[14:05] <Squirm_> andrewlsd: agreed
[15:54] <paddatrapper> Can someone update the topic?
[15:54] <paddatrapper> Maybe add the mini-meeting time too
[16:11] <chesedo> ooh paddatrapper, i see you already created the next agenda... thanks
[16:12] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Yeah I was on a roll last night, lol
[16:12] <chesedo> lol
[16:38] <superfly> paddatrapper, chesedo: What's the link?
[16:39] <paddatrapper> chesedo: bit.ly?
[16:39] <paddatrapper> superfly: long link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170328
[16:48] <superfly> hrm, let me the order of things in the topic, I think the meetings should come earlier
[17:05] <paddatrapper> superfly: thanks
[17:15] <superfly> paddatrapper: you're welcome!
[17:33] <chesedo> thanks superfly
[17:33]  * chesedo thinks inetpro knows about the bit.ly part
[17:52] <nsnzero> hi all
[17:56] <nsnzero> does anyone know how to theme root apps ?
[17:56] <paddatrapper> hi nsnzero
[17:57] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper
[17:58] <Kilos> thanks superfly
[17:58] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[17:58] <Kilos> hi nsnzero paddatrapper
[17:58] <Kilos> and chesedo
[18:11] <nsnzero> ok to theme root apps in plasma run kdesudo systemsettings5 set your theme and presto
[18:27] <paddatrapper> hi Kilos
[19:51]  * nsnzero playing around with luks and btrfs
[19:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:57] <Cryterion> night kilos
[19:58] <nsnzero> night: Kiel
[19:58] <nsnzero> night kilos
[19:58] <nsnzero> hi Cryterion
[20:00]  * nsnzero goes to bed as well
[20:00] <nsnzero> goodnight all


[15:33] <jrwren> FYI, the apache in 20.04 does TLS virtual hosts differently than all previous ubuntu. You have to turn SSLEngine On in each virtual host on port 443.
[15:34] <cmaloney> of
[15:34] <cmaloney> oof
[15:35] <cmaloney> refresh my memory: is that for each entry in the config then?
[15:35] <cmaloney> That's not horrible, but quite the surprise
[15:38] <jrwren> yes each vhost entry, often separate .conf files
[15:38] <jrwren> and yes, it isn't horrible, it is really as it should be.
[15:38] <jrwren> but it is a surprise change.
[15:39] <jrwren> esp for a minor patch upgrade.
[15:39] <jrwren> apache httpd 2.4.something to something bigger.
[15:40] <jrwren> hrmf... packages.ubuntu actually shows 2.4.41 for both... so I don't nkow what changed.
[15:40] <jrwren> very strange either way.
[15:42] <cmaloney> I hate it when something like that gets snuck into a point release
[15:43] <cmaloney> x.x.+1 == guess what your afternoon now includes.
[15:48] <jrwren> well, now that I see they are both 41... I'm thinking maybe I fucked my config months ago and I didnt' realizei t.
[15:48] <jrwren> so... mabye it isn't different between ubuntu revs.
[15:51] <cmaloney> might be the mod_ssl or whatever module that updated?
[15:51]  * cmaloney is not a huge fan of how apache mod stuff works
[15:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, durp, good call.
[15:52] <jrwren> but... that is built into apache since like 1.3 or something.
[15:52] <jrwren> so that is 2.4.41 as well.
[15:52] <jrwren> haha... we are too old, we remember when it was separate.
[15:52] <cmaloney> I never remember what's built-in or separate
[15:52] <cmaloney> all I know is I never remember to include whatever I'm missing
[15:53] <cmaloney> Anytime something wonky happens with Apache it's about 20 minutes before I remember that there's modules
[15:53] <cmaloney> and that a2enmod exists
[15:53] <cmaloney> nginx has spoiled that knowledge
[15:54] <cmaloney> (And yes, I'll own that it's my problem, not Apache's issue)
[15:54] <jrwren> the only reason I haven't converted to nginx is... its like 10 vhosts and I'm too lazy to convert each. lul.
[15:54] <jrwren> no, i think it IS apache's issue.
[15:54] <jrwren> why is apache so complex compared to nginx?
[15:55] <cmaloney> No idea
[15:56] <cmaloney> I had to deploy using Apache for a project and it was like remembering that carbureators and mixing gas with oil was still a thing
[16:38] <rick_h> not moved to nginx yet still?
[16:38] <rick_h> finally have that in the archive thank goodness
[16:49] <jrwren> yeah, like I said... just too lazy to take the hour to migrate to nginx
[16:58] <rick_h> oh heh should read all the way down before replying :)