[02:14] <JontheEchidna> pykde takes a while to build
[04:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to take it for a spin?
[09:01] <Riddell> I miss revu
[09:25] <Quintasan> Hi
[09:28] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[09:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think kimpanel's upstream is Chinese, that will make communication a little bit harder if he doesn't know English, gotta confirm it first
[09:42] <Riddell> what makes you think he doesn't speak english?
[09:47] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/calligra-25-rc
[09:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: Just guessing, so far my adventures in the Asian developer community ended up in a failure because I didn't know Chinese and the other party knew little English.
[09:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: We could also try switching to fcitx if we get enough tests.
[09:54] <Quintasan> ETOOMANYINPUTMETHODS
[09:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: does it work?
[09:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well it looks like it is working, let me try that on a clean install.
[09:57]  * Quintasan does kvm magic
[09:57] <Riddell> Blizzz: does the owncloud-client use gnome-keyring?  it's giving me lots of error messages saying so
[10:01] <Blizzz> Riddell: dragotin says it does not
[10:03] <Riddell> something does, I get lots of this when I run it "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/jr/.cache/keyring-9Yp480/pkcs11: No such file or directory"
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:33] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: no, but it is compiled now. I'll give it a try after work today
[12:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  Thanks.
[13:00] <Riddell> Blizzz: owncloud-client in experimental ppa for the testing https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[13:00] <Riddell> apachelogger____: what is the meaning of the underscores?
[13:00] <apachelogger____> degree of annoyedness
[13:00] <Riddell> uh oh
[13:10] <afiestas> apachelogger____: remove one of them coz the video I sent u.U
[13:11] <apachelogger____> touch debian/stamp-patched
[13:11] <apachelogger____> that is reason to remove one
[13:29] <Riddell> happy birthday Nightrose
[13:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: thank you! :)
[13:52] <Blizzz> Riddell: yay!
[14:16] <jjesse> yeah happy birthday Nightrose
[14:17] <Nightrose> jjesse: thx :)
[14:52] <Riddell> jtechidna: was there any conclusion to the gtk kcm question?
[14:53] <Riddell> seems like the main point is it overriding default gtk settings which would affect ubuntu unity users
[14:55] <jtechidna> hmm, I don't think we reached any consensus on what to do.
[14:55] <jtechidna> though I think if the kcm is part of kubuntu-desktop then it's not that big of an issue
[14:56] <Riddell> jtechidna: what's not an issue?
[14:56] <jtechidna> Riddell: globally setting the gtk settings
[14:56] <Riddell> jtechidna: but that would mess up people who also wanted to use unity no?
[14:57] <jtechidna> they generally wouldn't install kubuntu-desktop, right?
[14:57] <Riddell> some people like to use both
[14:58] <Riddell> jtechidna: how do we set it by default for new users who havn't run the gtk config kcm?
[14:58] <jtechidna> I don't know
[14:59] <jtechidna> how do we do it currently?
[14:59] <Riddell> not sure that's what I'm wondering :)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> i don't see the point of unity with kde available ..I tried unity for 2 weeks , that was enough, now I understand why ubuntu users are looking at alternatives
[15:00] <jtechidna> I know we used to have a shell script as part of startkde, dunno if that's still used
[15:00] <Riddell> ah yes it has "# configuration of the gtk2-engines-oxygen if not already set"
[15:00] <jtechidna> I thought xsettings-kde may have changed things, though
[15:01] <jtechidna> I'm not sure how everything fits together now
[15:01] <Riddell> startkde makes ~/.kde/env/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh
[15:06] <Riddell> the good news is this new version of oxygen-gtk3 fixes it!
[15:06]  * Riddell updates oxygen-gtk2/3
[15:10] <Riddell> well I get how GTK2 theme is set, no idea how GTK 3 theme is set
[15:15] <jtechidna> archive admins are a bit slow :( bug 1012151
[15:19] <Riddell> voila
[15:20] <jtechidna> thanks :)
[15:20] <jtechidna> I had forgotten about it, it had been so long, lol
[15:21] <jtechidna> !info knights
[15:21] <jtechidna> ^knights is also affected, but it's upstream is still around. there's some hope that a new version can be released
[15:22] <ScottK> jtechidna: We could remove just the binaries for now and then wait and see.
[15:37] <tsdgeos> wassup with knights?
[15:39] <ScottK> Apparently not ported to the new kdegames lib API.
[15:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[15:43] <jtechidna> It still uses KGameRenderer and friends for rendering: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Games/Porting_to_libkdegames_v5#Theming_and_KGameRenderer
[15:44] <jtechidna> *still uses  old KGameRenderer
[15:44] <jtechidna> and the old buildsystem bits
[15:44] <ScottK> tsdgeos: ^^^
[15:45] <tsdgeos> ScottK: the buildsystem bits might be a problem
[15:45] <tsdgeos> KGameRenderer is fine
[15:46] <tsdgeos> actaully i don't know why smajesky changed the LibKDEGames.cmake to KDEGames.cmake
[15:46] <tsdgeos> just breaks stuff
[15:46] <tsdgeos> without really any need
[15:46] <tsdgeos> but now it's too late i guess
[15:46] <ScottK> If it's just a name change, maybe a compatibility symlink for 4.9?
[15:48] <Riddell> jtechidna: oh it's actually xsettings-kde that sets the gtk2 and 3 theme
[15:48] <Riddell> as well as GTK2_RC_FILES
[15:49] <tsdgeos> ScottK: haven't digged much
[15:49] <tsdgeos> but i don't think there's much more changes
[15:49]  * ScottK neither
[15:51]  * tsdgeos will have a look later if he remembers
[16:07] <jtechidna> :D http://bash.org/?16293
[16:10] <apachelogger___> {standard input}: Fatal error: can't write SplitElementTxn.o: No space left on device
[16:10] <apachelogger___> yehaaa
[19:03] <micahg> umm, if I have a kde langpack installed in precise, it wants to install calligra on upgrade to quantal
[19:05] <micahg> language-pack-kde-xx Depends calligra-l10n-xx Recommends calligra, the langpacks should enhance calligra, not recommend it
[19:05] <micahg> is there an existing bug or should I file one?
[19:07] <micahg> is anyone planning a calligra upload soonish?
[19:15] <micahg> bug #1027215
[19:16] <micahg> I'm happy to do the fix/upload as long as it's approved
[19:43] <micahg> Riddell: yofel_^^
[20:20] <ScottK> There's some magic script that possbly needs fixing too.  I think apachelogger___ or yofel_ know about that.
[20:38] <yofel> no, calligra-l10n is independent of kde-l10n and has it's own setup. Fixing that ^ would be a 2 line change in rules.
[20:38] <yofel> hm
[20:38] <yofel> spoke too soon
[20:39] <yofel> if it has to be "Enhances" then you'll need to add that in the control file as well
[20:40] <ScottK> micahg: Go for it.
[20:44] <micahg> ScottK: ok, will do over the weekend when I have more time to test
[20:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: which package is the plugin factory supposed to be in?
[21:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: python3-pyqt4.
[21:11] <ScottK> I didn't do anything to make it land there though.
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> you mean -kde4?
[21:11] <ScottK> yes
[21:11] <ScottK> pykde4
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> so it should be in the build dir somewhere
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> found it
[21:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:12] <ScottK> I know it gets built.
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> kcmshell4 crashes, installing debugging symbols now
[21:18] <bas_brain> hi guys, will ubuntu still be developed by the community or will be developed by the new company?
[21:19] <ScottK> bas_brain: Di you mean Kubuntu?
[21:19] <ScottK> Di/Did
[21:20] <bas_brain> yeah sorry
[21:20] <ScottK> Some people who work on Kubuntu are paid for it and some aren't.  That hasn't changed.  Who happens to be paying people doesn't much matter.
[21:20] <bas_brain> so nothing changed, only the company who also support it. I understood
[21:21] <bas_brain> I would like to help the community, any advice?
[21:22] <ScottK> Start doing it.
[21:22] <ScottK> If there's something you think can be improved, improve it.
[21:23] <ScottK> I have to go, but if you mention where you'd like to help, I'm sure someone can suggest something.
[21:35] <bas_brain> i would like to help kubuntu team
[21:38] <bas_brain> how can i join any group?
[21:38] <bas_brain> do i have to register to a admnistrator and then he will decide?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> barry: Hi, I tested out the python3 plugin factory just now.
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> this crash occurs during plugin creation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102500/
[21:48] <barry> JontheEchidna: hmm
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> Fatal Python error: take_gil: NULL tstate
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> here's a bt full for the top part of the stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102518/
[21:51] <barry> JontheEchidna: yikes.  okay, that one should be easy.  PyEval_InitThreads must be called *after* Py_Initialize in >= 3.2.  /me updates the branch
[21:53] <barry> JontheEchidna: update pushed
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> barry: ok, that fixed that. It now crashes the kcmshell or systemsettings when the plugin encounters a syntax error (and tries to call apport?) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102529/
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> I was using the print statement instead of the print function
[22:01] <barry> that's interesting
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> there's a similar crash with proper syntax, too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102536/
[22:03] <barry> probably the PyGILState_Ensure() needs to move above the PyErr_Print().  /me looks
[22:07] <barry> JontheEchidna: this might fix the syntax error case, probably not the other case, but please pull the update and try again
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> barry: I don't think it helps the syntax case
[22:20] <barry> JontheEchidna: it still crashes when you have a syntax error?
[22:20] <apachelogger___> yofel: calligra-l10n does the same thing no?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> barry: yep
[22:21] <barry> JontheEchidna: can you pastebin the backtrace?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102561/
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> the patch didn't apply properly
[22:22] <yofel> apachelogger___: not really, they have a small setup script, but that's only to prepare the initial mutiple-tar source. The package relationships are only defined in control and rules
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I hope I don't have to do a clean rebuild. that'll take an hour or two D:
[22:23] <barry> JontheEchidna: ah, no, i see where i screwed up.  hang on a sec
[22:23] <barry> i wonder why it doesn't apply properly.
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> actually it did apply properly
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I'm using the Manual Patch System so that I don't have to re-build the whole thing :P
[22:24] <barry> i think the quilt stack is clean tho
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> e.g. me manually updating the patched file after looking at the bzr diff
[22:24] <barry> ah :)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> then I just rm -rf builddir-3.2/kpython3pluginfactory, then debuild -us -uc -nc
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> saving me 2 hours compile time
[22:25] <barry> ouch.
[22:25] <barry> JontheEchidna: update pushed.  please try again
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> k
[22:27] <barry> JontheEchidna: i'm going to get dinner started.  brb.
[22:31] <apachelogger___> yofel: spooky
[22:33] <barry> JontheEchidna: let me know how it goes and i'll keep checking back in
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> barry: no luck yet, the relevant part of the function looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102582/
[22:37] <barry> JontheEchidna: yeah, that looks right.  the problem was that the gil state wasn't acquired when PyErr_Print() was called.  but you're saying that with the latest pastebin, the syntax error case still crashes?  if so, backtrace please.
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102591/
[22:40] <barry> JontheEchidna: okay, now i have no idea :/
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> :(
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> I can throw my project up in bzr if you'd like to fiddle around with it yourself
[22:41] <barry> JontheEchidna: sure.  please tell me how to build and test it tho
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> barry: lp:~echidnaman/+junk/kde-config-drivers
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> mkdir build; cd build; cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr; make; sudo make install; kbuildsycoca4; kcmshell4 kde-config-drivers
[22:44] <barry> JontheEchidna: on quantal right?
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> barry: yeah, only quantal has the python3-kde stuff
[22:45] <barry> cool
[23:00] <barry> JontheEchidna: i guess i'll see you in 2 hours ;)
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> well, my computer's a bit crap, but it's still a double-build of the package basically
[23:52] <barry> JontheEchidna: something's wrong with the build system.  following your commands in a quantal chroot, after doing 'cmake ...', the make command just exits immediately.  afaict, CMakeFiles/Makefile2 has an empty all: target
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> skip the make step, just do make install
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> it's interperted so there's nothing to make :P
[23:54] <barry> ah, cool.  well, looks like the kcmshell4 needs the x server so the chroot is unhappy ;/
[23:55] <barry> i'm going to have to install a build vm for this since i don't have a quantal machine that can handle it atm.  i'll do that now but i probably won't get to the build until monday.  please do ping me then.
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> ok
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> have a good weekend
[23:55] <barry> thanks, you too


[19:50] <mparillo> Saw "We go down to two feature releases per year, and we adjust the schedule to release them in early March and early September." in: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/issues/52
[19:50] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Issue 52 in plasma/plasma-desktop "Proposal to change the Plasma 6 version numbering scheme and release schedule" [Opened]
[19:53] <mparillo> When are the relevant  freezes for the .04 and .10 Kubuntu releases? In https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-schedule/27284 I see Feature Freeze, which makes early March too late, and UI Freeze, which makes early March close.
[19:57] <arraybolt3[m]1> mparillo: This is just my opinion, but I think Feature Freeze would be the relevant freeze here, since the releases being discussed are feature releases, and one assumes they will have different feature sets both for the end user and under the hoot.
[19:57] <arraybolt3[m]1> s/hoot/hood/
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]1> (It's the under-the-hood changes that scare me - those are where regressions can be lurking.)
[19:59] <arraybolt3> s/can/are likely to/
[21:25] <mparillo> Thank you for your comments on https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/issues/52
[21:25] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Issue 52 in plasma/plasma-desktop "Proposal to change the Plasma 6 version numbering scheme and release schedule" [Opened]
[21:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> With my MOTU hat on, I'd say Feature Freeze is definitely the relevant freeze here. UI freeze is merely cosmetic stuff.
[22:14] <arraybolt3[m]1> mparillo: Glad to help!


[00:46] <ProfessorKaos64> how do you message someone on irc into a new tab , rather than in the same window? using xchat here
[00:54] <TheLordOfTime> ProfessorKaos64, /query NICKNAME
[00:54] <TheLordOfTime> opens up a new tab for their name
[00:54] <TheLordOfTime> then you type your message
[01:11] <ProfessorKaos64> thank you
[04:58] <pvl1> does anyone mine any kind of coin
[10:34] <rmg51> Morning
[11:01] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[15:07] <ChinnoDog> morning
[15:27] <jedijf> morning
[15:27]  * jedijf just ordered another ham radio \o/ 1.25 meter jawn
[15:27] <jedijf> nad i have a mobile on backorder
[15:27] <jedijf> and
[15:28] <KyleYankan> I was confused "Someone in ##hamradio jused used 'jawn'? oh wait. It's jedijf. Oh wait, wrong channel"
[15:31] <waltman> Jawn's one of those words that we supposedly use in Philadelphia, but that I've never heard anyone say.
[15:31] <JonathanD> waltman: I have.
[15:39]  * jedijf says it
[15:39] <JonathanD> waltman: a guy at my last job said it all the time.
[15:39] <jedijf> and i will have to remember to do so in waltman's presence
[15:39] <JonathanD> That and "It's been a minute"
[15:39] <JonathanD> Which I'd never heard used in that way before.
[15:42]  * KyleYankan says it
[15:43] <jedijf> it's been a minute since i've heard it used
[15:43] <KyleYankan> Although arguably, I have heard them more in use with the younger/urban crowds.
[15:45] <jedijf> KyleYankan: when you get from under the house, you really have to listen to the tuesday night digital net (phil-mont radio club) - it's a riot
[15:45] <KyleYankan> digital net?
[15:46] <jedijf> the club has a small digital offshoot and tuesday nights they do a 'net' -
[15:46] <KyleYankan> oh. Neat.
[15:46] <jedijf> on the club's repeater
[15:46] <KyleYankan> Is it digital talk, or analog voice about digital?
[15:46] <jedijf> both if you don't have the digital setup - digital sounds cool in analog listening
[15:47] <jedijf> last night at the end they did digital images - like sstv but digital -
[15:47] <KyleYankan> I need to get a TNC. I kept trying APRS, but couldnt never get it to work
[15:47] <jedijf> KyleYankan: no
[15:47] <jedijf> wait for me to confirm my POC and then i'll show you at hive or phree or whenever
[15:48] <KyleYankan> allright
[15:48] <jedijf> TNC is too easy
[15:51] <KyleYankan> I have the worst luck, I'll take easy :-P
[19:50] <JonathanD> my extern monitor isn't working.
[19:51] <JonathanD> It's detected and I can enable it, but it times out/goes black with "no vga"
[19:54] <ChinnoDog> Sounds like a broken wire
[19:54] <JonathanD> it works on my other laptop.
[19:54] <ChinnoDog> (or pin)
[19:54] <JonathanD> and it works on this laptop if I boot into 13.10
[19:55] <JonathanD> or windows.
[19:55] <ChinnoDog> oh
[19:55] <ChinnoDog> Unsupported video mode?
[19:55] <JonathanD> Dunno. the display control panel picks the proper res.
[19:55] <ChinnoDog> Maybe your video card is outputting an unsupported resolution or refresh rate.
[19:57] <JonathanD> Just tried 800x600 for kicks
[19:57] <JonathanD> nada.
[19:57] <ChinnoDog> refresh rate?
[19:58] <JonathanD> can't edit that in the UI.
[20:04] <pvl1> hey guys. whats the latest kernel
[20:04] <pvl1> avail in repos
[21:53] <jthan> Anyone have a Surface 2 or Surface RT?


[00:00] <tkamppeter> slangasek, where are you flying to? Are available on IRC next week?
[00:51] <xnox> slangasek: cjwatson: jdstrand: mdeslaur: with updated ovmf, SecureBoot keys survive OVMF cold-boot. Also efi manager "ubuntu" entry is set/saved, but fails to boot -> investigating.
[00:52] <xnox> slangasek: cjwatson: mdeslaur: we should be able to automate smoketesting in uefi / SecureBoot / modes, once boot entry is sorted.
[01:18] <xnox> slangasek: cjwatson: filed bug #1275162 with boot entries that generated update-grub and don't work + working entries as added from efi shell using "fs1:\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi" and the mapping that resulted from doing that.
[01:18] <xnox> stgraber: ^ might find interesting as well =)
[13:00] <jhenke> Hi!
[13:00] <jhenke> is by chance anybody here feeling responsible for the boot process/uefi boot entries/grub?
[18:51] <slangasek> tkamppeter: flying to> I'm flying home from a sprint; so yes, I'll be on IRC next week, in my usual timezone (US/Pacific)
[18:51] <slangasek> xnox: ovmf> huzzah! what options do we need to pass to give the qemu session somewhere to write the nvram to?
[18:52] <slangasek> (and can we make it COW so that we can distribute a pre-configured nvram blob?)
[18:52] <xnox> slangasek: cp /usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.fd .; qemu -pflash OVMF.fd -cdrom ubuntu-desktop.iso
[18:53] <slangasek> so you have to copy the whole firmware image?  Not ideal
[18:53] <xnox> slangasek: you can "boot" ovmf.fd and enroll keys the usual way.
[18:53]  * slangasek nods
[18:53] <xnox> slangasek: yeah, parts of the firmware image is reserved memory for nvram.
[18:54] <xnox> slangasek: not sure if one can make it a qcow2 image with 3 snapshots (empry, microsoft keys, custom keys)
[18:54] <xnox> but due to efibootmgr / update-grub bug it doesn't generate the correct boot entry on install.
[18:55] <xnox> maybe we should ship keys in the installer and allow pre-seeding key enrollment at install time.
[18:55] <TJ-> xnox: So with some jigging about with loop and md linear we could create a writable firmware that puts the NVRAM in a separate file... cool!
[18:55] <xnox> TJ-: interesting idea. let me talk to #edk2 people on OFTC about it.
[18:57] <TJ-> xnox: I use that approach for repairing broken block devices; create a 1MB file and chain the file-system onto it, to enable booting block devices that do not contain partition tables.
[19:02] <slangasek> xnox: was that bug reproducible when using a *not* nvme disk?
[19:02] <xnox> slangasek: correct.
[19:02] <slangasek> ok
[19:03] <xnox> slangasek: ubuntu-custom -> is the working nvme disk; ubuntu-custom-normal -> is the working -hda qemu default disk; ubuntu is the entry that update-grub generated.
[19:03] <slangasek> ok
[19:03] <xnox> slangasek: since update-grub does work correctly on real uefi laptops, i wonder if OVMF is being funny here.
[19:05] <xnox> i guess there a multiple ways of addressing UEFI hardware, cause my laptop is using Boot0000* ubuntu	HD(1,800,8e800,ad01ebb3-3866-4648-b8a0-e126abbc6817)File(\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi)
[19:05] <xnox> which is partuuid addressed HD.
[19:08] <slangasek> multiple ways> indeed
[19:09] <xnox> slangasek: so for some reason update-grub is using "short fs-uuid" (mbr style), instead of "full gpt partition uuid" (gpt style)
[19:09] <xnox> under ovmf.
[19:09]  * slangasek nods
[19:10] <slangasek> actually, that should be all efibootmgr, shouldn't it?  I didn't think update-grub did the calculation
[19:21] <tkamppeter> slangasek, I am flying to a sprint tomorrow. I have tested socket triggered CUPS start with Upstart, CUPS gets actually started, but is not able to overtake the socket FD.
[19:22] <slangasek> tkamppeter: you know that the upstart and systemd socket activation protocols are different?
[19:23] <slangasek> (this is something we intend to fix on the upstart side, but not immediately)
[19:24] <tkamppeter> slangasek, did not know that and started systemd-like, now I have seen in the man page that one has to accept() the FD and so I have done an upstart_checkin function like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6856965/
[19:26] <tkamppeter> slangasek, but this still not works and I get "upstart_checkin: Unable to get local address - bad file descriptor", so the accept() failed.
[19:28] <slangasek> tkamppeter: ok.  I don't know the answer offhand; I've never written code to use upstart's socket activation (and didn't write the upstart code either), I would have to dig into it
[19:29] <tkamppeter> slangasek, the original author is Scott James Remnant?
[19:30] <slangasek> tkamppeter: yes, and he's no longer involved in upstart development.  I believe jodh did the landing of the code in upstart upstream, so he might be able to help
[19:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: i did write code that successfully used upstart-socket activation.
[19:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: it was a python daemon however, but semantics are the same across any language.
[19:45] <tkamppeter> xnox, can you send me the code or a link to it?
[19:46] <tkamppeter> slangasek, thank you very much, will talk with jodh (James Hunt?) and xnox. I will come back to you next week if needed.
[19:46] <xnox> tkamppeter: http://cheesehead-techblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/upstart-socket-bridge.html
[19:47] <xnox> tkamppeter: article was updated with my patches, so all should be good.
[19:47] <xnox> tkamppeter: i'll be in Bluefin on monday, if you are there as well.
[19:47] <xnox> tkamppeter: yeah, jodh is James Hunt.
[19:48] <xnox> here is uwsgi support for using socket activation with upstart
[19:49] <xnox> http://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Upstart.html
[19:50] <tkamppeter> xnox, thank you very much!
[19:50] <tkamppeter> xnox, I will be in Bluefin next week, too. So we can meet and get it working.
[19:51] <xnox> tkamppeter: i'm there on monday only, not all week.
[20:13] <tkamppeter> xnox, no problem, we can meet on Monday.
[20:43] <tkamppeter> xnox, I have looked in your C code and it seems to be the same as I did in CUPS (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6856965/) but in CUPS it does not work.
[20:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: i'm not in the mood to dive into it, can you push a branch with it and i will look into it on monday?
[20:45] <xnox> tkamppeter: i'm deep in python3 porting at the moment.
[21:13] <tkamppeter> xnox, we should also talk about HPLIP then ...
[21:15] <xnox> tkamppeter: ha, yeah =) doko was at bluefin last week.
[21:15] <Noskcaj> xnox, on the topic of python3, the new pidgin is out. I've made a basic debdiff, but there's probably extra changes needed
[21:19] <jhenke> hi, is by chance somebody here who could take a look at a bug related to efibootmgr/grub? bug #1272664
[21:19] <xnox> Noskcaj: well, have you fixed Bug #1272455 yet?
[21:20] <xnox> jhenke: is the VM booted in UEFI?
[21:20] <jhenke> affirm
[21:20] <jhenke> the problem is the creation of the uefi boot entry
[21:20] <xnox> jhenke: it creates a wrong one or overrides existing ones?
[21:20] <xnox> jhenke: i found with OVMF that wrong entries are generated.
[21:21] <xnox> jhenke: so efibootmgr "manages" "ubuntu" boot entry, i've successfully created a different one, e.g. "ubuntu-custom" that works and those tend to persist.
[21:21] <jhenke> not sure, as soon as an entry is generated the VM configuration becomes corrupted so you cannot access the VMs properties anymore nor does Hyper-V recognize it
[21:21] <Noskcaj> xnox, no, sorry. I barely know C, let alone gtk
[21:22] <Noskcaj> I'd not been able to reproduce the bug locally as i understood it, but i'm not sure there's anything i can do to that package
[21:23] <jhenke> *not does Hyper-V recognize the VM any longer, sorry
[21:23] <xnox> jhenke: i see. I'll ask cjwatson about it.  it's best not to corrupt VMs just because a package gets installed (abeit called efibootmgr)
[21:23] <jhenke> indeed it is
[21:24] <jhenke> basically right now you cannot properly install ubuntu in a gen 2 VM, which I think is very bad
[21:25] <jhenke> thanks for pinging the right person :)
[21:25] <xnox> cjwatson: assigned Bug #1272664 to you based on ^ maybe you can take a look at it.
[21:28] <wgrant> It's a bit of a worry that a VM can affect the hypervisor like that.
[21:28] <wgrant> Sounds like a Hyper-V bug...
[21:30] <xnox> slangasek: edk upstream says that they are working with qemu to provide external variable storage, but it's not implemented in qemu yet. So current storage arrangement is the current state of the art.
[21:35] <jhenke> I guess it is proably due to the facct that efibootmgr interacts slightly differently with the uefi than windows does
[21:36] <jhenke> since installing windows 2012r2 works well and the uefi boot entry is created correctly
[21:36] <jhenke> so efibootmgr must doing it a bit differently which causes this problem
[21:55] <tkamppeter> xnox, doko, reported HPLIP upstream bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/1275353.
[21:56] <xnox> tkamppeter: that bug is not new.
[21:56] <xnox> tkamppeter: some dependencies are ported but not all, and needs further investigation.
[21:56] <tkamppeter> xnox, but is it already reported to HPLIP upstream?
[21:56] <xnox> tkamppeter: barry was involved it in.
[21:56] <xnox> tkamppeter: i believe doko did talk with hplip upstream about it, yes.
[21:57] <xnox> tkamppeter: you need hplip urgently on the phone?
[21:57] <tkamppeter> xnox, important is that we do not carry a huge Debian/Ubuntu patch but upstream switches over.
[21:58] <tkamppeter> xnox, HPLIP is not needed on the phone at all, I thought they talked to me because of getting rid of Python 2 in general, also on the normal desktop.
[21:59] <tkamppeter> xnox, on the phone printing will only be done to network printers with known standard languages, not with tons of printer-model-specific drivers.
[22:02] <xnox> tkamppeter: cool. yeah getting off python2 is a general goal on touch/server/desktop.
[22:02] <xnox> tkamppeter: so any help on that front is greatly appreciated.
[22:16] <slangasek> xnox: ack


[04:10] <skierpage> Hi. I'm installing Ubuntu 14.04. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop says "You should see a welcome screen prompting you to choose your language and giving you the option to install Ubuntu or try it from the DVD.
[04:10] <skierpage> instead I got a text (Grub?) menu offering a choice between installing or trying the live USB.  That web page could usefully say that you can install from both.
[04:10] <skierpage> maybe the text menu is because I was EFI booting from reFind on a MacBook, it didn't look like the attractive graphic choice.
[04:11] <skierpage> That web page could usefully have a link to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install "If you want to try Ubuntu before installing"


[00:24] <LiveWire> So i glance at the screen its about drugs and lobster.. Im not a big druggy but i might try one, and some lobster. where the meeting place? :)
[00:25] <LiveWire> oops, wrong window
[00:25] <daftykins> only slightly wrong
[00:27] <LiveWire> then ill take one vicodin and a large lobster
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:45] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[07:35] <ducasse> good morning
[07:37] <marcoagpinto> good morning, everyone!
[07:37] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:37] <marcoagpinto> the demon!


[01:43] <len-dt> Lumpy, more mumbling to you in email...
[06:14] <micahg> zequence: -look uploaded
[11:22] <zequence> micahg: Thanks
[11:22] <zequence> That should hopefully mean we're done for this release
[12:56] <zequence> len-dt: The extra data in the patch was cause when I applyed the changes (which was by applying another patch), it worked, but not perfectly - so for safety it kept .orig files of all changed files
[12:56] <zequence> I just needed to remove the .orig files
[12:57] <zequence> Well, from the debian patch, that is
[18:27] <len-dt> upgrading doesn't work from a serial console. It wants a direct kb and monitor.
[18:27] <zequence> serial console?
[18:28] <len-dt> Ya, my server has an old ampex terminal. headless otherwise
[18:29] <len-dt> I upgraded from 12.04 -1 LTS to 12.04...
[18:29] <len-dt> Now I get to trouble shoot :P
[18:30] <len-dt> Upgrades don't like an SSH login either
[18:30] <len-dt> So I had to connect a monitor to do it. All back to serial again now though.
[18:32] <len-dt> imap has a problem with permissions though. It can play with messages in the user's home directory, but not the inbox.
[18:37] <zequence> hi ttoine
[18:50] <ttoine> hi zequence
[19:20] <len-dt> Odd, I had to reinstall the printer driver after upgrading.
[19:23] <len-dt> zequence, re Bug #1077372 in precise. Do we really want to try fixing this?
[19:23] <zequence> len-dt: What icon is it? I have forgotten about that
[19:24] <len-dt> It would mean creating a -icon-theme just for precise. Like adding a meta that is not there now.
[19:24] <len-dt> The current icon is the xubuntu one.
[19:24] <len-dt> (or maybe vanilla xfce)
[19:25] <len-dt> This is not fixed till 13.04
[19:26] <len-dt> zequence, this is an icon that the user will see exactly once, when they install.
[19:26] <zequence> I'm not too concerned about that, but I guess one could just SRU the current icon theme to precise, when fixing that
[19:27] <len-dt> And set it active in -settings
[19:27] <zequence> Maybe for 12.04.3, if it feels relevant?
[19:30] <len-dt> The only person who has said anything is smartboyhc and the only people who have commented have been on the dev team
[19:30] <len-dt> Personally I think it is a bit trivial.
[19:30] <zequence> I agree
[19:31] <len-dt> I would like to set it to "won't fix"
[19:31] <zequence> But, if we were to do any kind of significant change to the looks, we'll do that at the same time
[19:32] <len-dt> Well, if we want to change the icons and add the icon-theme. That would mean doing all the menu changes too.
[19:32] <zequence> I could imagine doing that for 12.04.3
[19:32] <len-dt> Do we want to do that? I guess the next LTS is a year away.
[19:33] <zequence> Yeah, it's getting a bit late
[19:33] <len-dt> Do we need to have a set of bug reports?
[19:33] <zequence> I don't think they will hurt anyway
[19:34] <len-dt> Would this be SRU? or some other term?
[19:34] <zequence> SRU, I believe. But I'm not sure how flexible they are with this
[19:35] <len-dt> I think What I need to do then is to redo the settings branch for precise from release. Then just add bug fixes one commit at a time.
[19:36] <len-dt> People who already have the LTS are used to what they have, changing the menu now could be confusing and seem broken if an app they use moves to a different sub menu.
[19:37] <len-dt> It might be like the app was gone to them not moved.
[19:37] <len-dt> Those who have already installed will not be seeing a change in partition icon.
[19:38] <zequence> Is the menu configs not put in user files, or is that just after you make an edit?
[19:38] <len-dt> It never ends up in user files.
[19:38] <zequence> Sure about that?
[19:39] <len-dt> Even if edited, there is just a diff added in the user dir
[19:39] <len-dt> I have played with it and looked at the files.
[19:39] <zequence> Well, I'm not going to push for it. I'm just happy if we can get the jackd bug fix in to begin with
[19:39] <zequence> It's getting close now
[19:39] <zequence> After it's done, I'll do pulseaudio too
[19:40] <zequence> And a couple more
[19:41] <len-dt> Those are more important.
[23:58] <zequence> timothymillar: Hi
[23:59] <timothymillar> quick question how do a direct a question at you with the zequence:
[23:59] <zequence> I didn't catch that properly
[23:59] <zequence> Have you been involved in helping out with anything distro-wise before?


[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[23:25] <user|91> I've got a pretty new motherboard and tried to install Kubuntu 22.04 on it and it would not install.
[23:26] <user|91> I was informed that the Linux install had to be a later or future OS.
[23:33] <mparillo> You could try the pre-release version of 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu)
[23:33] <mparillo> 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu)
[23:33] <mparillo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:35] <arraybolt3[m]> user|91: Do be advised that development releases can be... interesting to use (stuff may break out of absolutely nowhere because some developer tried an experiment that didn't go so well). If you need a newer kernel and a stable OS, you may want to look into Fedora or openSUSE Tumbleweed.
[23:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Usually you could just install a newer kernel after installation, but if the old one is causing installation problems...)
[23:43] <oerheks> ,,, had to be a later or future OS.  LOLZ
[23:43] <oerheks> step 1, check bios updates, after that kubuntu should install fine


[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [amd64] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [armhf] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [arm64] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [s390x] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnucobol [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [5]
[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (bionic-proposed/main) [2.525.53 => 2.525.54] (desktop-core)
[05:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: deepin-boot-maker [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.6.5+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[05:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: deepin-boot-maker [arm64] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.6.5+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[05:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: deepin-boot-maker [armhf] (impish-proposed/universe) [5.6.5+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[11:12]  * enyc meows
[11:12] <enyc> aah... not yet created my blackscreen kernel bug... *prods enyc* soon!


[08:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:55] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I am flooded with the "Good morning" message in 4 channels:P
[08:56] <lordievader> Should proove to be a good morning then :P
[08:57] <lordievader> Even though it probably aint morning at your side.
[08:59] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yep.
[09:00]  * smartboyhw goes lurking in the #debian-qt-kde chan in OFTC.
[09:10] <soee> good morning
[09:10] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Hello soee
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, what happened?!
[09:29] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: what are you refering to?
[09:29] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, the nick changes:P
[09:29] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: I am testing Konversation bugs, just ignore
[09:29] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, does that bug exist?:P
[09:30] <Mamarok> the one in question,y es, but if you wantme to detail on all the testing: I have been triaging over 150 bugs last week, just read the history up on bugs,kde,org, too long to discuss
[09:33] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, :O
[09:33] <smartboyhw> That's a wow to you.
[09:43] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1168759] Clicking install debug symbols does nothing @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1168759 (by ill)
[09:44] <valorie> ah, so that's not just me....
[09:47] <smartboyhw> valorie, ?
[09:48] <valorie> when the Dr. K box tells me to install debug symbols, and I say fine, it never happens
[09:48] <valorie> after a crash
[09:48] <smartboyhw> valorie, oh.
[09:48] <valorie> but I figured that was KDE and Apport fighting it out or something
[09:49] <smartboyhw> valorie, :O
[09:49] <valorie> although I think it used to work
[09:50] <valorie> dang, crappy bug report though
[09:50] <valorie> against ubuntu in general
[09:50] <valorie> well, changed to kde-workspace
[09:51] <valorie> maybe that's better....
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:26] <shadeslayer> hi BluesKaj
[11:27] <BluesKaj> hi shadeslayer
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hello shadeslayer and BluesKaj
[12:38] <shadeslayer> hey
[12:39] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[12:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I wonder though: If one wants to be a member of KDE e.v., would that need *direct* contributions to KDE? (i.e. not just packaging work but actual coding or documentation, etc.) (Just asking)
[12:47] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: yes
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, whoa:P
[12:48] <Mamarok> and substantial contributions (not only code) over some time
[12:48] <Mamarok> at least a year or more I would say
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I do know that. Just asking.
[12:48] <Mamarok> somebody well integrated in the community that is :)
[12:48]  * smartboyhw is not interested in going for it in 3 years, IIRC:P
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, :)
[14:55] <afiestas> can anyone paste the output of: ps aux | grep lightdm
[14:56] <lordievader> This is on Raring:
[14:56] <yofel> afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/724286
[14:56] <lordievader> root      1367  0.0  0.0 275512  3628 ?        SLsl 10:31   0:00 lightdm
[14:56] <lordievader> root      1395  4.0  1.0<PHONE_NUMBER>8 tty7     Ss+  10:31  15:28 /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -background none
[14:56] <lordievader> root      9902  0.0  0.0  10392   912 pts/4    S+   16:56   0:00 grep --color=auto lightdm
[14:56] <lordievader> root     11951  0.0  0.0 159500  3452 ?        Sl   10:35   0:00 lightdm --session-child 12 19
[15:00] <afiestas> yofel:  lordievader thankks
[15:02] <smartboyhw> afiestas, hey hey here http://paste.kde.org/724310/
[17:07] <Quintasan> \o
[17:10] <smartboyhw> o/
[17:12] <Riddell> \o/
[21:56] <ScottK> Mamarok: Actually I don't think code is a required contribution.  After all, Celeste was doing usability work, not coding.


[11:44] <jamespage> jibel: have you done any automated reporting of test results to iso.qa.ubuntu.com yet?
[11:46] <jibel> jamespage, no, that's low priority on my side.
[11:47] <jamespage> jibel: yeah - me to - just wondered if you had anything I could nick :-)
[11:47] <jamespage> lol
[15:09] <greyback> mmrazik: hey, this is Gerry, reporting early
[15:09] <mmrazik> greyback, hi
[15:09] <mmrazik> :)
[15:25] <mmrazik> greyback, btw. there might be some confusion regarding the place. I hope we are all meeting on #ubuntu-meeting
[15:26] <gema> mmrazik: that clarifies things, I was also thinking it would be here :)
[15:27] <mmrazik> sorry for that
[15:27] <greyback> mmrazik: oh, moving now
[15:27] <mmrazik> thx
[15:36] <bdmurray> jibel: is there some way to test upgrades from lucid to precise?
[15:38] <jibel> bdmurray, what do you mean precisely ?
[15:38] <jibel> bdmurray, automatically, reproduce a failure, manually, ... ?
[15:39] <bdmurray> jibel: I want to make sure its safe to upgrade my server
[15:41] <jibel> bdmurray, ah ok. from the tests we run server are pretty safe to upgrade (https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-upgrade-lts/) but expect the unexpected
[15:41] <jibel> bdmurray, if you want to test an upgrade, you can create a clone, restore it in a VM and upgrade from there
[15:42] <bdmurray> jibel: so aufs overlay hasn't been tested recently or worked on?
[15:42] <jibel> bdmurray, AFAIK, there is no package for apt-clone in backport yet, so you can try the code here https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/apt-clone/lucid-backport
[15:43] <jibel> bdmurray, I haven't tested aufs overlay recently
[15:44] <bdmurray> jibel: okay, thanks
[15:46] <jibel> mvo, did you try --sandbox upgrades recently ?
[15:46] <mvo> jibel: not recently but some weeks ago, did you experience problems?
[15:47] <jibel> mvo, not me, bdmurray was asking if it is an option to test an upgrade because actually upgrading a server.
[15:47] <jibel> s/because/before
[15:48] <mvo> bdmurray: if its a valuable system I would rather test it in a vm first, it should work but I haven't tested it in a good while
[15:52] <bdmurray> When you say test in a vm that means install Lucid, restore cloned system, run dist-upgrade?
[15:52] <jibel> mvo, is apt-clone available for lucid from a PPA or as a package somewhere ?
[15:59] <greyback> mmrazik: that was the first IRC talk I've given, I hope it was ok
[16:00] <mmrazik> greyback, yes, it was a nice one.
[16:06] <mvo> jibel: I don't think so
[16:32] <txomon|home> gema, ping
[16:32] <gema> txomon|home: pong
[16:33] <txomon|home> oki, I assisted (without having any idea) to that introduction to automated testing, was it the stuff you were talking about in last meeting?
[16:34] <txomon|home> meant balloons and you
[16:34] <balloons> hello txomon|home
[16:34] <txomon|home> hi balloons
[16:35] <txomon|home> ^
[16:37] <txomon|home> and I have been testing how much time does netboot/apt-proxy-caching/automated-installation save, and the most important one, is the apt-proxy-caching. Netboot is good to get rid of CDs, and automated-installation, if you are not going to be in front of the computer
[16:50] <txomon|home> If you have any suggestions...


[12:47] <sector10> hi
[12:48] <sector10> can someone help me?
[12:48] <sector10> i am installing ubuntu, but would like to setup my daughter who is 10 for edubuntu on same computer
[12:49] <sector10> is it possible to have her log in to edubuntu
[12:49] <sector10> #ubuntu
[03:04] <fersfeir> mono
[06:27] <Burgundavia> ogra, http://gnutu.org/en/index.php/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna
[01:14] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, you here?
[02:30] <juliux> ogra, wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/UDMS my script is ready
[02:30] <juliux> ogra, and it works
[02:41] <steffen> I'll need to teach some grammar-school children. Theme is konquering the computer and search in the internet.
[02:42] <steffen> Unfortunately I never done such things with small children
[02:43] <steffen> question is: does someone know an website with some ideas and experiences?
[04:41] <juliux> it there any log file from the ldm ?
[05:37] <aeon17x> Something weird here... I can't mount the floppy by double-clicking on the icon within the Computer. It works fine in normal Ubuntu, but not here.
[08:15] <lemoncake> hi
[08:16] <lemoncake> i am installing edubuntu on my pc
[08:16] <lemoncake> but
[08:16] <lemoncake> when the setup search for a ethernet card it doesn't find
[08:16] <lemoncake> why??
[08:30] <ogra> lemoncake, how do you mean it doesnt find your network card ? whats the error ?
[11:53] <mhz> moin y'all


 You can now say 'Hey Siri, Ok Google' to use Google Assistant on the iPhone ... - 9to5Mac … https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/21/ok-google-iphone/
 If you ask Google, how many days until Thanksgiving 2019, you'll get something that will make you scratch your head for a bit.
 So... Um... Thanksgiving isn't on the same day every year
 So 6 days off sounds about right
 @Ivoriesablaze, Lucky
 Huh? Not from work
 Sorry. Misread that. Saw it on the watch which only had the last line on it
 I'm talking about the difference in days between Thanksgiving this year and next year
 Yes. I see that now. Was putting on my watch instead of looking at my phone. I just woke up
 The time one change is killing me
 You should go to Texas less
 You're in atlanta?
 @Ivoriesablaze, Atlanta, Texas.
 Gotcha
 The one on Georgia has a population of<PHONE_NUMBER>, the one in Texas has a population of 7
 Ok, a bit more. Technically I am in a city called Bloomberg which has a population of 398 last I checked
 Billion?
 I am in the middle of nowhere
 You just said the one in Georgia has one billion.... Not sure that's quite correct
 @Ivoriesablaze, That was my best guess based solely on the traffic at rush hour
 Fair enough
 It may even be a trillion
 At least there's a way around now
 @Ivoriesablaze, Even the bypass is busy, it is better now but still should be avoided. It only cut 15 minutes off the commute
[18:33] <floridagram-bot3> * AdamOutler just came up with a really cool way to show how rediculous ipv6 is.
 If you took all of the atoms in the earth and converted every single atom into a phone, then assigned each phone an IPv6 address, you'd have plenty.
 In fact, you could convert 100 Earth's into phones and still have a few stray ip addresses available.
 Nice.


[00:01] <Wellark> teward, hggdh: thanks
[10:23] <cristian_c> hello
[10:23] <cristian_c> about this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1222763
[10:23] <cristian_c> What have I to do? What's the next step?
[10:23] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[11:44] <filipsohajek> Hello, can you please bug importance to High? Thanks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1387499
[19:37] <zzecool> Anyone having privileges errors after upgrade to 14.10   ?  When i try to run software updater it says that im not allowed to perform this action Same problem with synaptic if i try to run it form shell im getting "Starting "Synaptic Package Manager" without administrative privileges"
[22:51] <teward> anyone around to give a second opinion on a bug and whether its valid?


[00:36] <genii> Got it already
[00:45] <genii> Obviously he doesn't follow warnings well.... :/
[00:54] <ringer> hmm - I'm typing /j #ubuntu but keep ending up here
[00:55] <persia> ringer: You may be forwarded here, if you're banned in ubuntu (either directly, or as a side effect of a too-wide ban or due to some client issue)
[00:56] <ringer> I had a problem the other day with a script I was running - it ended up flooding #ubuntu so I may be abnned. How do I get that overturned?
[01:03] <tsimpson> ringer: have you disabled or fixed the script now?
[01:03] <ringer> tsimpson, yes, it is fixed now
[01:04] <tsimpson> if you do enable any scripts, please make sure they are either silent or disabled for #ubuntu
[01:04] <tsimpson> you should be able to join #ubuntu now
[01:04] <ringer> tsimpson, thankyou.
[01:05] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[01:13]  * genii prepares a delicious pot of coffee for the crew
[01:49] <MisterPingPing> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ME IN THE ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!! its from 40 year old virgin
[01:50] <MisterPingPing> oops wrong room
[02:12]  * elky blinks.
[02:13] <persia> Failed to notice the banforward, one supposes
[03:58] <Flannel> Howdy darolu, how can we help you today?
[03:58] <darolu> hello, can someone come to #ubuntu and kick a kid who thinks is funny by spamming immature stuff
[03:58] <darolu> please?
[03:58] <Flannel> darolu: If you're referring to take_a_dump, he's been taken care of
[03:58] <darolu> Yes, that's the one; thank you.
[04:09] <Flannel> idiots
[04:15]  * genii makes more coffee, hands out the mugs
[05:47] <Gryllida> What languages are the floodbot and ubottu in?
[05:49] <Gryllida> ubottu is the first question
[05:58] <Gryllida> // ok I whoised it, it is supybot, heading to #supybot , end }
[05:59] <Flannel> Theyre in english!
[06:38] <jussi01> has anyone seen Seeker` recently?
[06:39] <Tm_T> cannot remember seeing him specifically
[06:39] <tsimpson> he's online now, apparently
[06:40] <jussi01> tsimpson: he runs off jussi01.com or ubottu.com
[06:41] <tsimpson> the last messages I see from him in here was on the 8th
[06:58] <jussi01> oh. well thats not so long ago.
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <knome> morning daniel
[07:39] <dholbach> hi knome
[08:22] <ardchoille> There is a user in #ubuntu named RaMcHiP that has been using a public away message for days despite the bot triggers (!away) by myself and others.
[08:24] <elky> does the client ever part? or would a banforward just leave us with an idler here?
[08:25] <Tm_T> you could try
[08:26] <ardchoille> Thanks for listening, you folks are cool :)
[08:33] <elky> removed, figure it's the best we can do at this point. if he rejoins, pounce
[11:03] <elky> oh my. the bots actively seek us out now?
[11:03] <elky> er, the bot, as in ubottu
[11:14] <jpds> elky: Yes.
[11:35] <elky> Um, so if we don't want to do anything, do we um, just ignore it?
[11:51] <topyli> elky, yes. it's just a reminder nag to encourage commenting
[11:52] <elky> topyli, not the one right after the ban... there are new nags
[11:57] <jussi01> elky: you mean the one after a week asking for a review?
[11:58] <elky> yes
[11:58] <jussi01> hrm, tsimpson mustve applied that. I should write an email.
[11:59] <elky> Please.
[11:59] <elky> I'm happy to ignore them, but I suspect there's more to it than that.
[11:59] <jussi01> elky: no, its a planned feature, I just diidnt think it had been applied yet.
[12:00] <jussi01> elky: could you paste me the message just to make sure?
[12:02] <elky> jussi01, yeah, i'd figured that's what it was. What i'm saying is that i'm happy to ignore them /forever/ but that it probably is not the best idea.
[12:02] <jussi01> elky: hehe
[12:03] <elky> Also, I think I ate too much.
[12:03] <jussi01> thats not generally a good idea...
[12:04] <elky> Nor is forgetting lunch.
[12:04] <elky> Or more to the point, forgetting lunch until all the takeaways are closed
[12:05] <elky> Bought a bbq chicken on the way home. Way too easy to eat too much bbq chicken.
[12:05] <jussi01> hehe
[12:05] <jussi01> I know that feeling
[12:12] <Seeker`> jussi01: myes?
[12:13] <jussi01> Seeker`: I hadnt seen you for ages and wanted to make sure you were still alive :D
[12:13] <Seeker`> yeah, just about
[12:13] <Seeker`> :)
[13:23] <niko> keep an eye in #ubuntu-women please, there is probably few new users
[13:23] <Pici> Oh dear
[13:23] <Pici> Thanks for the heads up
[14:44] <ikonia> marienz: you asked about bacta evading bans earlier - he's claiming (I don't believe he did it) he's been doing it again, I have logs if you want them
[14:45] <marienz> ikonia: sure, why not
[14:46] <marienz> ikonia: (someone more familiar with bacta than I am is planning to have a word with him, I'm not sure if that happened yet)
[15:08] <arand> Nick visiON_ is being a general menace (insulting, random shouting, etc.) in #ubuntu-se, would anyone here be able to take care of it?
[15:09] <Seeker`> jpds: is on the access list there
[15:10] <Seeker`> you may have more luck in #ubuntu-irc, I believe there are more loco ops there
[15:10] <jpds> #ubuntu-se or #ubuntu-es?
[15:10] <arand> jpds: -se swedish
[15:10] <Pici> arand: Are there no operators around that are listed on /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-se list   ?
[15:11] <jpds> arand: Yeah, not on the access list for that. !o.ps should work.
[15:11] <Seeker`> damn, sorry, transposed the characters
[15:11] <arand> Ok, will do.
[15:17] <arand> Problem solved, thankyou.
[15:29] <jpds> Guys, who on earth is MasterZxSpectrum?
[15:31] <jpds>  /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:31] <jpds> → [!] Unknown mode character *
[15:32] <jpds> wut.
[15:34] <Pici> wut?
[15:34] <jpds> Got it in the end.
[16:30] <bucky> hey it says adress banned for ubuntu+1
[16:31] <bucky> i'm trying to work on a bug in lucid needed help
[16:33]  * bucky slaps jussi01 around a bit with a large trout
[16:35] <topyli> @login
[16:35] <topyli> @btlogin
[16:36] <bucky> help
[16:36] <bucky> please
[16:36] <Pici> bucky: one moment.
[16:36] <bucky> thank you
[16:39] <Pici> bucky: You can join now, looks like there was a stale ban in place for someone who shares your same name.
[16:39] <bucky> ok thank you
[16:41] <topyli> trouts eh
[16:43] <gord> i hearby suggest that all types of fish be referred to as "fishes", regardless of their species type. also dolphins be referred to as fish-land-fishes
[16:43] <Pici> Thus spake the gord
[16:44] <gord> all Pici's should be referred to as anti/posi-pici's. obviously depending on their type
[20:01] <jpds> [ ubottu!~supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu  ] Hi, please review the ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that you set on Tue Apr  6 15:44:32 2010 in #ubuntu, link:
[20:01] <jpds> Oi.
[21:46] <Myrtti> !list > fabrizio


[00:24] <solarcloud_3scrn> He's not the End of the world he's a very naughty, naughty new-Epoch.
[01:22] <Goshawk> Is it possible to run an xbox on a pc with linux and if so, how would i go about it?
[01:26] <Goshawk> Would it be as simple as getting an adaptor plug for the screen? Or could I run it through the desktop?
[08:54] <popey> morning
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning popey
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've just been reading about Backflushing :-)
[09:03] <kvarley> Can anybody recommend any good guides/tutorials on how to setup a PC as a firewall? The system will be running Ubuntu server.
[09:04] <kvarley> join /networking
[09:19] <JamesTait> Happy end-of-the-world day, everyone! :-D
[09:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:33] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:18] <kvarley> brobostigon: \o
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning kvarley
[10:19] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:19] <kvarley> How goes it?
[10:20] <brobostigon> not bad overall, and you?
[10:20] <kvarley> Pretty good :)
[10:20] <brobostigon> :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> Looking for an SD card for my RPi - will one from Tesco do or should I look deeper into possibilities?
[10:32] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i think, it has to be sdhc, and i would go for as higher class card as possible, to get as higher speeds as possible.
[10:33] <bigcalm> brobostigon: has this been proved? I hear tales of some higher classes not providing the same through put as some lower class ones
[10:34] <brobostigon> bigcalm: no idea, i am theorising,
[10:34] <bigcalm> :)
[10:34] <brobostigon> :)
[10:43] <mungojerry> `recobutton
[10:43] <mungojerry> sorry i pressed my green button while irc was focused
[10:47] <dwatkins> how could you?
[10:48] <popey> bigcalm, pretty sure it's documented on their wiki
[10:51] <sprmtt> wow, rosa is a kde based distro that doesn't suck
[10:53] <bigcalm> Humm, boot from an sdcard, run the os from a usb memory stick
[12:59] <mungojerry> can i disable areas of RAM for a laptop with soldered on memory?
[12:59] <mungojerry> memtest is puking at 129MB
[13:03] <shauno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memtest86+/+bug/1071209
[13:03] <shauno> I'd take a look at that first.  129 may not be a coincidence
[13:04] <mungojerry> thanks man :D
[13:04] <mungojerry> may have saved some effort
[13:04] <mungojerry> it was with lubuntu 12.10 usb stick
[13:04] <mungojerry> better put this beast back together
[13:05] <mungojerry> my lubuntu install was not working but may be unrelated
[13:08] <mungojerry> its a bad bug tho
[13:09] <shauno> I would say it's just misleading.  but we tend to trust memtest enough that most people would be inclined to replace hardware before they start to suspect it
[13:57] <directhex> mungojerry, fwiw, yes, you can
[14:01] <directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BadRAM
[15:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> TheOpenSourcerer, Nice post .. just got the email... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/She%20sells%20sea%20Shells.pdf
[16:09] <oimon> anyone know what repos are in a default debian install?
[16:09] <oimon> ran a minimal install without a net connection
[16:09] <oimon> thought i could run the mirror chooser later but can't find it
[16:10] <brobostigon> http.debian.net :)
[16:11] <oimon> huh?
[16:12] <brobostigon> that is the mirror chooser.
[16:12] <oimon> what's the entries in sources.list please?
[16:12] <oimon> i have deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
[16:13] <brobostigon> deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main
[16:13] <brobostigon> for example.
[16:16] <oimon> hm, getting 404s
[16:17] <brobostigon> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable main
[16:17] <brobostigon> i think you need that extra backslash
[16:18] <oimon> ah ok thanks
[16:22] <oimon> working now cheers :D
[16:22] <brobostigon> :D
[16:23] <oimon> have an ancient laptop thats just gonna be a weechat client
[16:23] <brobostigon> ah
[16:23] <oimon> obviously it flies in console mode, may even risk lxde but it has 256mb and i can't find my stash
[16:24] <brobostigon> :(
[16:25] <oimon> what's a lighter wm i could use? the tiling ones shouldn't use much RAM?
[16:25] <oimon> maybe i don't need WM tbh
[16:25] <brobostigon> screen :)
[16:26] <brobostigon> byobu. :)
[16:26] <oimon> or big borther byobu
[16:26] <oimon> yep:P
[16:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, Be sure to post on the G+comm. https://plus.google.com/106290022487312285099/posts/5yhh1z2jakZ if you do.
[16:35] <oimon> sorry, got confused, if i do what?
[16:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> later dude.
[16:35] <oimon> :-\
[16:37] <solarcloud_3scrn> "have an ancient laptop" , oimon .
[16:38] <oimon> what is that g+ profile about?
[16:39] <solarcloud_3scrn> just a gmail thingy, shouldn't worry about it. (not like youtube where they give you a profile name or anything).
[16:39] <oimon> i have a eee pc 701 in one site connecting to a inspiron 1000 laptop at the other site
[16:39] <oimon> running irc
[16:40] <solarcloud_3scrn> Probablybest if I send you a screenshooterist, hangon...
[16:42] <oimon> unlike my "new" laptop which i just realised is nearly 5 years old
[16:44] <oimon> although the battery in it is bad, the rest of it is v good
[16:46] <mungbean> hello
[16:47] <oimon> hello
[16:52] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Scrreenshot.png
[16:52] <mgdm> dammit, my 3-month-old laptop battery has died
[16:52] <oimon> thats bad
[16:52] <oimon> but "good" in that they are covered by 1yr warranty right?
[16:52] <brobostigon> time bandits, film4, in 3 mins. :)
[16:53] <mgdm> well, given it was an eBay special, I'm not sure
[16:53] <oimon> ship date on the inspiron 1000 was 06/04/2005
[16:53] <oimon> not bad, shame about the low mem
[16:53] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, did you get that lat post ?
[16:54] <oimon> ah i see.
[16:55] <oimon> on the profile page i just aw a post about a eee pc
[16:55] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, thought it was pertintent.
[16:56] <oimon> i haven't used the g+ communities yet
[16:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, You don't need to .. just tell us here with dropbox and I'll post the pic for you :)
[16:57] <oimon> shauno: ran memtest on the box now that debian installed, runs fine. thanks for that, i nearly destroyed a pc, cos the lubuntu installer wasn't working, and the bad memtest errors were on soldered mem
[17:00] <oimon> i have lxde on my super fast box at work, but it's a bit glitchy with xcompmgr and owncloud client crashes regularly with it
[17:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, lxde is the lubuntu- Desktop Environment, I have it on my Amilo.
[17:02] <oimon> yep
[17:03] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, What IRC client are you running.. gnomeIRC/pidgin/Xchat-WDK ?
[17:06] <solarcloud_3scrn>        ... I'm thnkin' BenQ issues
[17:08] <shauno> oimon: glad to hear it :)  the 129 bit just rang a bell
[17:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, yeah, I lost a Lindy Displayport Adapter just now
[17:11] <oimon> solarcloud_3scrn: on this laptop pidgin, on the ancient ones weechat
[17:11] <oimon> at work, xchat
[17:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> scanning ..weechat
[17:12] <oimon> my son just asked me to put uncle buble on the telly
[17:13] <oimon> weechat is like irssi
[17:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> weechat  source http://www.weechat.org/files/src/weechat-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz , tasks https://savannah.nongnu.org/task/?group=weechat , devkit http://dev.weechat.org/ , Savannah http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/weechat/ , G+ https://plus.google.com/102544516035551247301
[17:15] <solarcloud_3scrn> looks god so far ... never used irissi/weechat except on W$indows-XP/Home.
[17:16] <solarcloud_3scrn> **good
[17:17] <oimon> has anyone tried the free servers from chunkhost?
[17:18] <solarcloud_3scrn> Nah, I'm 4k under today as it is. Although you could get me onto their email list if you want (PM'd me)
[17:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> I mostly use spideroak on the Amilo anyhow :)
[17:27] <bigcalm> Is there a web cam viewing app for debian that doesn't require a bazillion other packages? Required for my RPi
[17:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, I've  PM'd you.
[17:32] <oimon> hey did you just that that weechat up solarcloud_3scrn?
[17:33] <oimon> that looks a cool setup
[17:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> it was on the G+comm. page
[17:33] <oimon> i saw the pics, look ince
[17:34] <oimon> nice
[17:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> Yeah , use ** 4 corrections..
[17:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> **for
[17:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> oimon, FY.I the G+comm. is now here .. https://plus.google.com/communities/104181302778416960107
[17:57] <oimon> wow i never thought i'd have to do ndiswrapper again until now
[17:58] <brobostigon> p/win 7
[18:00] <oimon> or use a pcmcia card
[18:04] <popey> retro
[18:04] <popey> i found an old pcmcia network card the other day, couldn't bring myself to bin it
[18:04] <oimon> the laptop i'm setting up doesn't need wifi , but for setup purposes, is handy
[18:05] <oimon> toddler + 10m cable = fun
[18:06] <brobostigon> yank. woops.
[18:08] <oimon> it is toddler proof in that one end is broken clip
[18:08] <oimon> hence not broken laptop port
[18:09] <brobostigon> ah.
[18:09] <oimon> argh i don't think wpa-2 is supported
[18:13] <jacobw> evening
[18:17] <DJones> I think I've got 2 pcmcia cards in a box in the loft
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> wow pcmcia cards
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> haven't seen those for years :)
[18:19] <daftykins> i've still got a Pentium III 400MHz Dell ultra-portable laptop that has one for its' wireless :o
[18:19] <daftykins> i don't want to throw out that machine either :(
[20:11] <KrimZon_2> what's the fix for when the hard disk keeps switching off and on in linux?
[20:12] <KrimZon_2> the power saving issues
[20:16] <solarcloud_3scrn> Crumbs that's a hard one  ::: Anyone remember this guy (??) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BonziBUDDY (???)
[20:20] <ali1234> solarcloud_3scrn: YES
[20:20] <ali1234> how could i forget?
[20:21] <ali1234> KrimZon_2: some hdparm magic. be careful not to low level format your disk though
[20:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, He hasn't tweeted in a-while :: https://twitter.com/REAL_BonziBUDDY
[20:23] <ali1234> i like to compare new-fangled desktop environments to him when i'm feeling uncharitable
[20:25] <ali1234> someone should make a bonzibuddy lens
[20:25] <ali1234> is that even possible? can we draw whatever into the dash through a plugin?
[20:26] <ali1234> or just send a list of results? (boring)
[20:26] <ali1234> i think i once asked about putting a shell into the dash
[20:26] <ali1234> and the answer was no :(
[20:27] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, I think it was just trying to get the right kinda hue .. http://www.meethue.com/en-US/getstarted
[20:28] <ali1234> One reader was quoted as criticizing the program because it "kept popping up and obscuring things you needed to see."  I got it from eopinions http://www.epinions.com/cmsw-EmailChat-All-Bonzi_Buddy?sb=1
[20:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, just at 16:25 of your ytu.be video .. 'Index of UX guidlines' .. UX .. I think if anyone from Ubuntu mentioned that , everyone would have a field-day !!?!
[20:33] <ali1234> unity isn't anywhere near as bad as metro
[20:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, What does UX meaning to you ??
[20:34] <ali1234> user experience
[20:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> right, .. so you've a book with UX in the title on your shelf , right ??
[20:35] <ali1234> hmm... i have "3D User Interfaces In Java"
[20:35] <ali1234> that talks a lot about user experience (ie expectations and communication)
[20:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, It's a Yes or No Question.
[20:36] <ali1234> though the phrase wasn't really in common use back then
[20:36] <ali1234> back then it was just called "GUI design"
[20:36] <ali1234> then No
[20:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> Are you Morrocan, or something ?
[20:37] <ali1234> no?
[20:37]  * solarcloud_3scrn bangs his head on his french desk.
[20:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> ali1234, If you have no book titled *UX* then how can you know anything about Desktop Environments ?
[20:40] <SuperEngineer> solarcloud_3scrn: I have no book about gravity - but, trust me, I do know everything about it ;)
[20:42] <solarcloud_3scrn> EngineerÕS, ali1234 ~fails to address the gravitas of the situation he presents, he wants food and it's like we're feeding him.
[20:59] <AlanBell> ali1234: basically just results: image, title, subtitle
[21:00] <AlanBell> gnome-shell on the other hand you can put in pretty much anything using the st toolkit
[23:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> How do I file bugs about an Ubuntu game again ? Can't maximise window in this one .. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/ubuntu%20Meerkat%20Beneathe%20a%20Steele%20Sky.png
[23:21] <daftykins> it's low-res, i doubt you'd want to maximise it :D
[23:22] <daftykins> good ol' scumm
[23:30] <dwatkins> yeah, you'd have to log the bug against scummvm
[23:30] <dwatkins> It might be alt+enter, but I assume you've tried that, solarcloud_3scrn