[13:28] <iceroot> is there a way to put comments on launchpad with mail? background is, there is an exisitng bug in launchpad and i need to open same thing to LKML and dont want to post it twice also the feedback from LKML would go directly into launchpad
[13:28] <iceroot> also but others ways to i have to "link" the launchpad-bug to the LKML discussion without just a comment with a link?
[13:34] <pleia2> iceroot: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[13:34] <pleia2> you need to use gpg
[13:35] <iceroot> pleia2: great, pgp already setup and linked with launchpad
[13:36] <iceroot> pleia2: but the answer from LKML will not get there until they have a gpg on launchpad
[15:09] <puff> Hi. I'm not sure if this is an inappropriate question, but... I have a thinkpad t520 running 10.4 LTS and I'd like to upgrade to a more recent release.  In the past I've been bitten by significant bugs on each release upgrade, so I'm trying to check into it before upgrading.
[15:09] <puff> I searched on launchpad, that shows me only 5 bugs:
[15:09] <puff> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=t520&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[15:26] <jibel> bdmurray, could something be done at update-manager level to prevent people reporting bugs like bug 885992 ?
[15:26] <Guest29594> Launchpad bug 885992 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update manager crashes when starting (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885992
[15:27] <hggdh> puff: (caveat -- I have not looked at your link, too big and got broken here) first of all, the upgrade path would be 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04 -> 11.10
[15:28] <hggdh> (when we release 12.04, you can do 10.04 -> 12.04 straight)
[15:32] <puff> hggdh: Yeah, I'm waffling between just upgrading to 10.10 (not sure if that would solve enough of my problems) versus reinstalling my / partition to 11.04 or 11.10.
[15:54] <puff> I'm leaning strongly towards installing a dual boot of 11.10 alongside 10.4 LTS, so I can quickly switch back to 10.4 if I have problems.
[15:55] <Angelo> Hi! :-)
[15:56] <Angelo> What should I do to help?
[15:57] <puff> thanks for the help folks!
[15:57] <micahg> title of channel still says we're having a bug day from a week ago
[18:02] <njin> hello, can someone wishlist bug 700126 for me, thanks
[18:02] <Guest29594> Launchpad bug 700126 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "non-primary users not added to acl list for scanner/printer (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700126
[18:48] <elgaton> Hi, I'm triaging bug #882255 (if an empty password is set, Sudo incorrectly prompts for it, so operations requiring administrative privileges are not possible). Which package should I target (sudo, pam...)? I'm asking this also because empty passwords are a security risk and the user, when changing password, should be warned of that (or empty passwords should be not allowed, although this choice is a bit limitative, for example for system accounts).
[18:48] <Guest29594> Launchpad bug 882255 in ubuntu "No root access after setting password to 'None' (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882255
[18:52] <hggdh> and?
[18:53] <hggdh> sorry, wrong channel
[19:14] <hggdh> elgaton: which password was set to none, and how was it done?
[19:14] <hggdh> ?
[19:15] <elgaton> hggdh: The password of the main user account was set to an empty one (I think during installation or using the User Account management utilities, haven't asked yet).
[19:16] <hggdh> ok, so not the root password (which is set to empty by default)
[19:16] <elgaton> hggdh: OK
[19:24] <hggdh> elgaton: IIRC, one has to change LightDM's to ask for a password
[19:24] <hggdh> elgaton: let me check
[19:24] <elgaton> hggdh: Thanks
[19:27] <hggdh> darn
[19:27] <elgaton> hggdh: What happened?
[19:27] <hggdh> elgaton: I know I saw it the other day, but cannot remember where.
[19:28] <hggdh> elgaton: you will problably get people that know more of desktop on the #ubuntu-desktop channel
[19:28] <elgaton> hggdh: OK, I'll ask there. Thanks for your work
[19:30] <elgaton> hggdh: It just came to my mind that it is also possible to change user password using the "passwd" command, so a fix in the GUI part is not enough.
[19:31] <elgaton> hggdh: Maybe PAM (used by Sudo as well) could be a possible choice?
[19:33] <hggdh> elgaton: it could, but it all depends on what was actually done (i.e., how the OP changed the password, how the system was setup, etc. There may indeed be a bug -- or more -- lurking in there.
[19:34] <elgaton> hggdh: OK, I'll setup a test VM and try changing in every possible way (passwd and GUI) and see if I can reproduce the bug, but I think the problem is at the Sudo/PAM level.
[19:35] <hggdh> elgaton: it could indeed. But we must understand what was actually done -- command sequence, etc -- so that it would be easier to reproduce, instead of running thru a potentially large number of permutations
[19:46] <elgaton> hggdh: OK, I'll test thoroughly
[19:47] <elgaton> Thanks again


[02:37] <vpa1977> Hi looking for review and sponsorship for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cron/+bug/2028894. Thank you !!!!
[02:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2028894 in cron (Ubuntu) "please merge cron 3.0pl1-163 from Debian unstable" [Undecided, In Progress]
[11:56] <bdrung> rbasak, suggested solution for the linter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/2028881/comments/1 Do you agree?
[11:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2028881 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport FTBFS" [High, Triaged]
[12:04] <rbasak> bdrung: yeah that's fine in principle I think. Provided that --errors-only really does mean that it's impossible for correct but not recommended code to fail.
[12:04] <rbasak> bdrung: do you want to take care of the apport upload to Ubuntu then? I was just about to do it :)
[12:04] <bdrung> rbasak, yes, I will take care of it.
[12:04] <rbasak> Thank you!
[12:05] <bdrung> i'll wait for schopin to review and merge the stuff upstream and then i'll do the upload to Ubuntu
[12:58] <schopin> bdrung: done
[13:03] <bdrung> thanks
[13:53] <ahasenack> is there nobody on patch pilot today? The calendar is empty
[16:06] <rbasak> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=amd64&package=weresync&trigger=pytest%2F7.4.0-2
[16:06] <rbasak> You submitted an invalid request: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)
[16:06] <rbasak> The URL is straight from the excuses page.
[16:06] <rbasak> Any ideas?
[16:13] <andersson1234> Hi! sorry I was out and I've been told there's  been some issue with autopkgtest-cloud. Could someone enlighten me ?
[16:15] <bdmurray> rbasak: We suspect the server might have been / is out of disk space.
[16:17] <rbasak> Ah thanks. As long as it's known :)
[16:18] <rbasak> andersson1234: o/
[16:18] <rbasak> andersson1234: for example https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=amd64&package=weresync&trigger=pytest%2F7.4.0-2 results in:
[16:19] <rbasak> You submitted an invalid request: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)
[16:20] <andersson123> Yuh, we suspect this is due to lack of disk space
[16:20] <andersson123> I'll double check now
[16:20] <andersson123> Can you check your cookies and see which SRV number you have please?
[16:20] <rbasak> I'm not sure what that means
[16:21] <bdmurray> It happened to me with S0 and S1 so maybe its not free space
[16:21] <bdmurray> Your cookie will have an SRVNAME in it
[16:21] <rbasak> My cookie named "session"?
[16:22] <rbasak> That looks like some base64 variant
[16:23] <bdmurray> My cookie has two "pieces"(?) on with a key of session and one with an SRVNAME but you don't need to continue looking based off my test
[16:23] <rbasak> Ah it's a separate cookie.
[16:24] <andersson123> Both are quite full (80% and 88%)
[16:25] <andersson123> but dw robbie
[16:25] <rbasak> I'm just curious about the cookie since I tried and failed to transfer it from Firefox to wget earlier.
[16:25] <rbasak> The firefox database doesn't seem to have the second cookie.
[16:26] <rbasak> But I hacked it out of there with sqlite so maybe I'm doing something wrong.
[16:46] <andersson123> we submitted your test robbie. There's a bug I will fix
[16:47] <rbasak> Ah thanks. Actually it was one of a big pile. I'll send them now :)
[16:48] <rbasak> Done successfully
[16:49] <rbasak> FTR, this was: retry-autopkgtest-regressions -s mantic --blocks pytest --log-regex "module 'py' has no attribute"
[16:49] <rbasak> Since that issue seems resolved in the archive now
[16:49] <rbasak> And I'm making conscious use of your deduping feature by not worrying about the ones I've already done manually - thanks :)
[16:50] <andersson123> well, it's disabled right now.
[16:50] <andersson123> whilst I try to figure out what the hell is happening
[16:51] <rbasak> Ah OK. Well, thank you for working on it!
[16:51] <rbasak> These aren't urgent - they'll just help towards migrating pytest.
[16:51]  * rbasak EODs now
[17:07] <bdrung> rbasak, fixed apport has been uploaded
[18:13] <rbasak> Thanks!
[18:31] <adrien> rbasak: oh, coq-unimath.... I don't remember how long it took on riscv during my last +1 but maybe close to two days


[14:54] <scott-work> TheMuso`:  would you please ping me at some point in the next day or so, i would like to have some preliminary discussion about the xsession (unity vs gnome) fix after talking with didirocks


[02:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:27] <oerheks> Lomiri is the now cross-platform desktop environment that was formerly called Unity 8,.....
[10:27] <oerheks> https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/06/two_new_debian_desktops/?td=rt-3a
[10:51] <ogra> heh, i just learned that gnustep still exists ! ...
[15:25] <JanC> ogra: it not just still exists, but Microsoft have their own fork of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Windows_Platform#iOS
[15:26] <JanC> (to make porting of iOS apps to Windows easier)
[15:37] <ogra> hah, neat, TIL !


[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:42] <sveinse> What should I put in /etc/fstab to prevent 20.04 from locking up the boot? I have "nfs defaults,bg 0 0" in it, and it locked the boot for over 10 hours as the remove was unavailable :( Had to forcibly reboot the machine and use recovery mode to remote the fstab entry.
[08:46] <sveinse> The ssh server prevented me from logging in, so I couldn't fix it remotely either
[09:08] <lordievader> sveinse: Is the mount necessary for boot or can it be an automount (mount on first access)?
[09:23] <frickler> sveinse: the other solution would be to setup a systemd service that fires only after the network setup is done, see e.g. https://cloudnull.io/2017/05/nfs-mount-via-systemd/
[09:23] <sveinse> lordievader: its not directly necessary for boot. The boot must not halt if it cannot be accessed
[09:28] <lordievader> sveinse: I typically have `noauto,_netdev,x-systemd.automount` in my fstab for NFS entries. `_netdev` tells systemd it is a networked file system and therefore requires the network-online.target. `noauto,x-systemd.automount` make sure it is not mounted at boot, but rather the first time it is accessed.
[09:29] <sveinse> lordievader: yeah, I thought one didn't need the '_netdev' any more, but I might be mistaking
[17:50] <faceface> hello
[17:50] <faceface> A colleague of mine disabled DNS on a server (I think). Now I don't know how to reconfigure it to defaults.
[17:52] <faceface> /etc/dnsmasq.d is in cruft output... I guess they removed dnsmasq
[17:53] <faceface> What is the ip address of the apt server?
[17:53] <faceface> or.. do I need dnsmasq?
[18:08] <bigpod> faceface: what version of ubuntu server do you hve
[19:09] <faceface> bigpod: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS"
[19:11] <bigpod> maybe systemd-resolved needs to be enabled
[22:20] <ouzel8_> Hi! I performed a do-release-upgrade on 18.04.4 to upgrade to 18.04.5 in the last few days. I note to you that the server had a static ip set using netplan, and the configuration seen under section "Static IP Address Assignment" found on https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration. After rebooting the server, there was no network connectivity.
[22:21] <ouzel8_> I tried to systemctl restart networking.service
[22:21] <ouzel8_> But the tool said the unit file did not exist
[22:23] <ouzel8_> I have since found that the netplan configuration file (with details about the static ip was deleted through the transfer) /etc/netplan/99_config.yaml. I have recreated the file, and run netplan apply.
[22:23] <ouzel8_> However, with no effect to the networking after rebooting the server.
[22:25] <ouzel8_> As a temporary measure I have assigned a static ip to the server using the ip tool as per "Temporary IP Address Assignment" on the same webpage given above.
[22:25] <ouzel8_> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to solve this problem.
[22:29] <patdk-lap> that is really od
[22:29] <patdk-lap> do-release-upgrade doesn't upgrade you from 18.04.4 to 18.04.5, it upgrades you to 20.04
[22:29] <patdk-lap> doing a *normal update* upgrades you do 18.04.x
[22:29] <ouzel8_> I see
[22:29] <ouzel8_> Well, I started do-release-upgrade via ssh
[22:30] <ouzel8_> Despite the warnings.
[22:30] <patdk-lap> ya, I don't have time to figure out the issue
[22:31] <patdk-lap> but the problem was you where running in 18.04 and upgraded to 20.04 and some config files that where modified by hand need to be adjusted
[22:31] <patdk-lap> and your going have to locate each one and update it to work with 20.04
[22:31] <ouzel8_> I encountered some issues, then do-release-upgrade said do an upgrade through apt-get upgrade
[22:31] <patdk-lap> I normally do this during the upgrade, since it tells you each time it hits one of those files
[22:31] <patdk-lap> apt-get upgrade will get you to 18.04.5 without installing new dependencies
[22:31] <ouzel8_> Then after this upgrade finished, then I rebooted the system, I then encountered the error.
[22:32] <patdk-lap> apt-get dist-upgrade will fully update you including kernel updates
[22:34] <ouzel8_> After apt-get upgrade the system was upgraded to this version "Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS (GNU/Linux 5.4.0-77-generic x86_64)"
[22:34] <ouzel8_> As you have detailed, the configuration files were deleted through the upgrade
[22:35] <ouzel8_> I have regenerated the configuration file, however, now the networking.service unit file does not exist.
[22:36] <ouzel8_> So systemd networking services do not start when the system firsts boots.
[22:36] <patdk-lap> ya, I do not know that, files don't just get deleted during the update
[22:36] <ouzel8_> I was not prompted at all.
[22:36] <patdk-lap> but then I had migrated all of my systems to netplan awhile ago
[22:48] <ouzel8_> Well as I have regenerated the netplan configuration. I now need to get the networking system renderer to actually use the configuration file.
[22:48] <ouzel8_> I will await anybody whom can help with this.
[23:03] <sdeziel> ouzel8_: on 18.04, were you using netplan?
[23:10] <ouzel8_> @sdeziel yes I am


[00:00] <qin> What Xfce using Natty, 4.6?
[00:00] <PauseBazinga> hey dudes/dudettes, I have a multimonitor question:  I looked at Beta 2 recently and loved it, but there was no way to enable desktop spanning across 2 monitors without manually doing it via the command line.  Has this been changed or is the only option in the Display GUI still Cloned
[00:00] <KM0201> qin: 4.8.0
[00:00] <PauseBazinga> ?
[00:01] <qin> KM0201: Good news.
[00:01] <KM0201> PauseBazinga: whats your graphics chipset?
[00:01] <PauseBazinga> ATI
[00:01] <KM0201> ah.. no idea on ATI
[00:01] <KM0201> i know w/ Nvidia, its easy
[00:01] <PauseBazinga> well, I guess AMD now days
[00:01] <PauseBazinga> it's easy anyway, just via xrandr CLI
[00:01] <PauseBazinga> but it doesn't stick
[00:01] <PauseBazinga> when you reboot
[00:02] <KM0201> hmm, sudo?
[00:02] <PauseBazinga> know how to make xrandr's default change?
[00:02] <bin_bash> &make is for compiling right
[00:02] <KM0201> cuz i know if i run nvidia-setting sw/o root.. the changes aren't saved
[00:02] <KM0201> bin_bash: yes
[00:02] <KM0201> !compile
[00:02] <PauseBazinga> hmm..not sure if I tried sudo
[00:02] <bin_bash> so i'd cd into that folder
[00:02] <bin_bash> and then do
[00:02] <PauseBazinga> good point bro, I'll give that a go
[00:03] <bin_bash> &make skippy-xd-0.5.0 ?
[00:03] <KM0201> bin_bash: under most circumstances, you'd cd into the directory, then ./configure    let it look for its dependencies, and make sure you meet them
[00:03] <bin_bash> ok
[00:03] <KM0201> then ./make      then let that go(it usually takes a while)
[00:03] <KM0201> oops
[00:03] <KM0201> that should be "make" not ./make
[00:04] <KM0201> then after that, you've got some options.. you can run sudo make install
[00:04] <KM0201> which will instal the app
[00:04] <KM0201> or
[00:04] <bin_bash> it says there's no ./configure file
[00:04] <PauseBazinga> I've been in a bit of a cluster since Unity took over, searching high and low for a new distro.  Xubuntu is so comfortable after using Ubuntu for so long.  I'm on Kubuntu right now and it's okay but...meh...
[00:05] <bin_bash> kde is scheise anyway
[00:05] <bin_bash> xfce for the win
[00:05] <KM0201> bin_bash: hmm, well thast strange.. then you'd probably just need make and make install, would be my guess
[00:05] <PauseBazinga> KDE's purdy, but I'm mostly just not used to the applications.
[00:06] <PauseBazinga> that and it's kind of too fancy for my blood
[00:06] <bin_bash> weird
[00:06] <bin_bash> no such file or directory
[00:07] <PauseBazinga> but I was able to confirm that Pithos works on KDE, that's a plus.  Anyone know if Pithos works in Xubuntu?  It's a Gnome-based program
[00:08] <KM0201> bin_bash: you sure your'e cd'd into the right directory?
[00:08] <bin_bash> it's not ./make
[00:08] <bin_bash> it's just make
[00:08] <bin_bash> but this happened
[00:08] <bin_bash> skippy.h:23:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[00:08] <bin_bash> compilation terminated.
[00:08] <DeM0nFiRe> lmao
[00:08] <DeM0nFiRe> "Connection Established: [Don't show this message again] [Don't show this messae again]
[00:08] <KM0201> bin_bash: yeah, i pointed out above it was just make, not ./make
[00:09] <KM0201> it wsa a typo.. scroll up.. :)
[00:09] <bin_bash> i missed it :P
[00:09] <KM0201> lol
[00:11] <KM0201> no idea what the compilation terminated means thoug
[00:12] <bin_bash> it means it didn't compile
[00:12] <KM0201> well duh
[00:14] <zenrox> bin_bash, it means i needs the X11 dev libs
[00:14] <bin_bash> yeah i know
[00:14] <zenrox> ok
[00:14] <zenrox> just maken shure
[00:16] <bin_bash> except i have that
[00:32] <KM0201> so did you get it compiled?
[00:33] <DeM0nFiRe> Hahah I picked a bad day to be doing this
[00:33] <DeM0nFiRe> The repos are throttled lol
[00:33] <bin_bash> KM0201: not yet
[00:34] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: it's always really bad right at the beginning of a new release
[00:34] <KM0201> bin_bash: what are you trying to compile?
[00:34] <DeM0nFiRe> KM0201: Yeah :P
[00:34] <abr> did anyone consider EASE for the default presentation app?
[00:36] <bin_bash> KM0201: skippy
[00:36] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: done thing you can do, is in synaptic, do a search for the "best server".. rather than being hooked to main server...
[00:37] <DeM0nFiRe> Ok
[00:37] <abr> mmm
[00:38] <KM0201> bin_bash: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30510
[00:38] <surreal7z> with what window decorator can I replace emerald with compiz?, because emerald is not working in 11.04
[00:38] <KM0201> not sure what version you're compiling (probably newer than that one).. but that might help
[00:39] <bin_bash> oh thanks
[00:39] <bin_bash> yeah
[00:39] <KM0201> surreal7z: i'm curious why you keep trying to get emerald working.. its not surprising that it doesn't work, because it is obsolete
[00:40] <KM0201> bin_bash: this looks even easier  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Skippy
[00:40] <surreal7z> YES, bit with what decorator can I replace it xD
[00:40] <surreal7z> that was my question
[00:41] <surreal7z> xfwm4 replaces all compiz... I just need a window decorator to work with compiz :)
[00:44] <FreeFull> So I upgraded to Xubuntu 11.04
[00:44] <KM0201> FreeFull: ok, how did it go?
[00:44] <FreeFull> Is there any way to get rid of those ugly resize things in the bottom right corners of windows?
[00:44] <FreeFull> The upgrading went fine
[00:45] <FreeFull> They make terminals look ugly
[00:48] <surreal7z> gtk-window-decorator works
[00:48] <FreeFull> Why would I use that instead of xfwm4
[00:49] <FreeFull> Also, I'd need to install and use compiz, no?
[00:49] <surreal7z> uf... that was not meant for you
[00:49] <FreeFull> Oh, nevemindthen
[00:51] <FreeFull> The corners show up even if xfwm4 isn't running D:
[01:21] <Dice-Man> hi people
[01:21] <Dice-Man> what's the difference between a xubuntu session and xfce one ?
[01:23] <drc> the menu, iirc
[01:23] <Dice-Man> any differences about lightness ?
[01:23] <drc> That' all I remember...but I didn't spend much time in the xfce session
[01:24] <DeM0nFiRe> I like how mount talks to me in the first person
[01:24] <DeM0nFiRe> "You didn't specify a filesystem type. I will try type ext4"
[01:24] <DeM0nFiRe> You do that mount
[01:48] <DeM0nFiRe> Hey guys, how can I get xubuntu to stop with the black popup thingy telling me silly things like downloads finished?
[01:57] <KM0201> um.
[01:58] <KM0201> probably a notification area plugin...
[01:58] <well_laid_lawn> or in preferences in firefox
[01:59] <KM0201> that could be to
[02:12] <bin_bash> i'm gonna stop using a gui altogether
[02:12] <bin_bash> lol
[02:25] <KM0201> oh dear
[02:25] <KM0201> why?
[02:25] <KM0201> lol
[02:44] <bin_bash> why not?
[02:44] <bin_bash> lol u mad canonical?
[02:46] <well_laid_lawn> canonical have a non-gui release
[02:46] <bin_bash> rly
[02:46] <bin_bash> KM0201: you still using skippy
[02:47] <KM0201> bin_bash: not really.. why?
[02:47] <bin_bash> i like it a lot
[02:47] <KM0201> great
[02:47] <KM0201> alt+tab though, was always fine w/ me.lol
[02:47] <KM0201> well_laid_lawn: yes, canonical has a non-gui release, its a server install
[03:06] <ball> Oh dear.
[03:07] <ball> I just hosed Fork's PC by letting it try to upgrade itself to 11.4
[03:07] <KM0201> lol
[03:07] <KM0201> why do you think it hosed it?
[03:07] <ball> KM0201: How is that funny?
[03:07] <KM0201> cuz i doubt its as bad as you think.. and who is fork?
[03:07] <ball> Fork is my five-year-old daughter.
[03:15] <KM0201> ball: ok, and how did the upgrade "hose it"
[03:23] <ball> KM0201: The screen mode is different and we've lost the panels at top and bottom of the screen.
[03:34] <KM0201> thats unity
[03:35] <ball> KM0201: Unity is supposed to deprive her of all menu bars?
[03:35] <KM0201> well, usually there's a menu when you nmove your mouse allth eway to the left
[03:35] <ball> Is there a command to roll back to the previous release of Xubuntu?
[03:39] <KM0201> no
[03:39] <KM0201> !downgrade
[03:39] <KM0201> oh wait
[03:40] <KM0201> i forgot, you're using xubuntu, not ubuntu.. so unity is not the issue.
[03:40] <KM0201> sounds like something went wrong in the upgrade.. what version of ubuntu were you using before?
[03:47] <teepegg> I'm having trouble with my hard drive frequently spinning down, is anybody around?
[03:47] <ball> KM0201: 10.11 ?
[03:48] <KM0201> 10.10?
[03:48] <ball> hello teepegg
[03:48] <ball> KM0201: Sounds about right.
[03:48] <KM0201> ..
[03:48] <teepegg> let me check which version
[03:48] <KM0201> i dunno ball
[03:48] <KM0201> sounds like you've got an upgrade that went haywaire
[03:48] <KM0201> *haywire
[03:48]  * ball nods
[03:48] <teepegg> I think it was 10.10
[03:49] <ball> Not sure whether to install 11.4 or 10.10, now
[03:49] <teepegg> also, the 32 bit version worked fine
[03:49] <KM0201> ball: i'd clean install 11.04
[03:49] <drc> KM0201: If you upgrade from xubuntu 10.10 (xfce 4.6.) to xubuntu 11.04 (xfce 4.8) there should have been a question about menus.  Maybe something went wrong here?
[03:50] <KM0201> drc: yeah, i initially thought he was talking about *ubuntu*.. thats what i get for beig in multiple channels.. onjce i realized i was in xubuntu.. i corrected myself
[03:51] <drc> teepegg: I'd look at your power manager settings
[03:51] <ball> Unfortunately I have to take the cover off and hack a CD-ROM drive in every time I reinstall.
[03:51] <drc> ball: no usb?
[03:52] <teepegg> drc: the xfce power manager makes no mention of hard disk settings
[03:52] <ball> drc: Not that I can boot from.
[03:52] <drc> teepegg: I was really thinking of somewhere else that talks about spinning down hhd's, but I can't find it...wait a minute
[03:53] <drohm> any of you guys run docky instead of the xfce4 panel?
[03:53] <drohm> with 11.04...
[03:55] <ball> Is there a Linux distribution made just for children?
[03:55] <pleia2> there is qimo4kids and edubuntu
[03:55] <Unit193> ball: Like Edubuntu?
[03:56] <ball> That might work.
[03:56] <ball> Is there a separate iso for that?
[03:56] <drc> teepegg: Power Manager ON AC/Battery (both)...there is a setting to check "Spin Down hard Disks"
[03:57] <pleia2> ball: yes, http://edubuntu.org/download
[03:57] <ball> pleia2: Thanks.
[03:58] <teepegg> drc: I don't see it, also it looks like I'm running xubuntu 9.10
[03:58] <drc> teepegg: 9.10 ? Woah :)
[03:59] <teepegg> drc: clicked "Help" in the Applications dropdown in xfce, and that's what it says
[03:59] <teepegg> drc: I was pretty sure I downloaded 10.10...
[04:00] <teepegg> drc: is there another way I can check this?
[04:00] <drohm> does anyone know if DropBox works on xubuntu?
[04:04] <teepegg> drc: /etc/issue says I'm running 10.10
[04:05] <KM0201> teepegg: well, that would probably explain your issues.
[04:05] <drc> teepegg: sorry, was afk (puppy)
[04:05] <KM0201> teepegg: you can also lsb_release -a    that will show your version/release
[04:06] <teepegg> KM0201: that also says 10.10
[04:06] <KM0201> teepegg: then you're using 10.10
[04:06] <KM0201> teepegg: whats the output of uname -r
[04:07] <teepegg> 2.6.35-28-generic
[04:07] <drc> teepegg: I have no idea about 10.10...I came from ubuntu to xubuntu in the beta satge
[04:07] <KM0201> teepegg: i can't remember specifically,j but i think thats 10.10 as well, i know its not 9.10
[04:07] <drc> He's on 10.10...
[04:08] <teepegg> the power manager says nothing about spinning down hard disks in any of the tabs
[04:09] <teepegg> I fixed the issue (temporarily) with hdparm -B254, but I didn't find the examples in hdparm.conf enlightening enough to make it permanent
[04:09] <KM0201> teepegg: its on the "battery" botton
[04:11] <teepegg> I have a checkbox for "Prefer power savings over performance"
[04:11] <teepegg> And a slider for "Put the computer to sleep when inactive for:"
[04:12] <teepegg> but nothing about hard disks
[04:12] <ball> Hmm...
[04:12] <teepegg> also, it does it on AC power as well
[04:12] <drc> teepegg: must be a 11.04/4.8 addition then...sorry
[04:16] <teepegg> I'll upgrade, then. Thanks.
[04:17] <drc> teepegg: xfce 4.8 is much better than 4.6, which is why I finally broke down and installed xubuntu 11.04
[04:19] <teepegg> drc: the only thing that bugs me is that the 32-bit version worked fine, but this problem is in the 64-bit version
[04:19] <drc> huh....
[04:20] <drc> I just installed the 64 bit 11.04 today (after a couple of weeks of the 32 bit)...so far, no problems (uses just a bit more RAM, but that's to be expected.
[04:24] <oboedad55> hows everyone like 11.04?
[04:24] <drc> oboedad55: Works for me
[04:24] <oboedad55> cool
[04:24] <oboedad55> installing it now
[04:24] <oboedad55> unity and i didnt get along...
[04:25] <drc> xfce 4.8 is great
[04:25] <drc> oboedad55: That's why I'm here...not #ubuntu
[04:26] <drc> Besides the fact that #ubuntu is so full of questions, one can't follow a single thread anyway :)
[04:26] <oboedad55> ok, time to reboot
[04:26] <oboedad55> lol
[04:26] <KM0201> drc: you can.. you just gotta really pay attention in there, and if folks don't !tab, forget it
[04:27] <drc> KM0201: Sometimes I exagerate for effect....but not by much.
[04:27] <KM0201> :)
[04:27] <drc> The screen scrolls so fast.....
[04:27] <KM0201> drc: it does...
[04:28] <KM0201> you gotta have a window appropriately sized to follow everything
[04:28] <KM0201> here in #xubuntu, i ca have a fairly small window, and keep track of everything
[04:28] <KM0201> not in #ubuntu
[04:30] <drc> Well, Bedtime for Bonzo...laters all
[04:43] <bin_bash> so in skype my camera is tweaking out
[04:43] <KM0201> lol
[04:43] <KM0201> whats it doing
[04:43] <bin_bash> like it looks normal for a bit
[04:43] <bin_bash> but then it gets all distorted
[04:43] <bin_bash> like a funhouse mirror
[04:44] <KM0201> strange
[04:45] <KM0201> what kinda camera is it?
[04:45] <bin_bash> facetime hd camera
[04:45] <bin_bash> it looks normal in cheese
[04:46] <KM0201> have you went through the options in skype?
[04:46] <bin_bash> lolwhat options
[04:46] <bin_bash> rthere arent any for video
[04:47] <KM0201> hmm, not really m uch in the "options" relating to the camera
[04:47] <bin_bash> yh
[04:48] <KM0201> rthere?   is that another internet meme?
[04:48] <bin_bash> no it's a typo
[04:48] <KM0201> or a typo?
[04:48] <KM0201> lol
[04:48] <KM0201> is the camera an internal camera on the macbook? i assume it is
[04:48] <bin_bash> yes
[04:49] <jgould> KM0201, what model MacBook?
[04:49] <bin_bash> 8,1
[04:49] <jgould> MBP?
[04:49] <KM0201> bin_bash: how does lspci ( or maybe lsusb)... identify the camera?
[04:50] <bin_bash> hold
[04:50] <bin_bash> no
[04:51] <KM0201> does lsusb? one of them has to
[04:51] <jgould> Under the Mac OS the camera is a USB device
[04:51] <bin_bash> no neither
[04:51] <KM0201> hmm
[04:54] <jgould> System profiler lists it as a USB Device, Let me get a live CD up on the MBP
[04:55] <bin_bash> my head looks all stretched out
[04:55] <bin_bash> like a conehead lol
[04:55] <KM0201> lol
[04:55]  * ball chuckles
[04:55] <KM0201> jgould: yeah, so really, lsusb should show something
[04:58] <bin_bash> skype was just using 143% of my cpu
[04:58] <KM0201> lol
[04:58]  * KM0201 <3's macs
[04:59] <ball> I used to run some Macs
[04:59] <ball> brb, sandwich
[04:59] <jgould> I want to play with xubuntu on the Early '11 MBP with 8GB of ram XD
[04:59] <jgould> ball, I'll take one too!
[05:01] <bin_bash> jgould: good luck. heard 8gb ram didn twork well
[05:01] <KM0201> jgould: i'm pretty sure hers is really new, but i think its one of the netbooks
[05:01] <bin_bash> Netbooks?
[05:01] <KM0201> didn't you say yours was onje of those mac netbooks?
[05:01] <KM0201> or am i hallucinating?
[05:01] <bin_bash> No
[05:01] <bin_bash> Mac doesn't make a netbook
[05:01] <bin_bash> the closest thing to a netbook is the 12" macbook air
[05:02] <KM0201> oh i though they made like a mac mini o rsomethng?
[05:02] <bin_bash> that's a desktop
[05:02] <KM0201> geez
[05:02] <KM0201> you can tell i don't hang out at the apple store
[05:02] <KM0201> lol
[05:02] <jgould> LOL
[05:02] <bin_bash> i admit it. i used to be a total macfag
[05:03] <jgould> I'm actually working on a Mac Mini running a 64 bit version of Natty
[05:03] <bin_bash> I'm running the 32 bit version of natty
[05:03]  * KM0201 is on a 6yr old acer laptop right now..lol
[05:05] <jgould> I'm building a usbstick so I can liveboot into natty.
[05:05] <bin_bash> ok
[05:07] <ball> I almost bought a Mac mini once.
[05:07] <ball> ...had a PowerPC one in the basket at Apple.com the day they announced the switch to Intel
[05:07] <DeM0nFiRe> What happened to the system monitor thatused to come with xubuntu?
[05:07] <jgould> This one was for my wife...
[05:08] <bin_bash> I have an iMac G5
[05:08] <bin_bash> I got it after the Intel machines came out
[05:08] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: its still there
[05:08] <bin_bash> My dad had about 10 intel iMacs at his office
[05:08] <ball> I still sometimes think about the G4 tower.
[05:09] <bin_bash> and they sent them all back for G5's
[05:09] <ball> ...or an Xserve
[05:09] <DeM0nFiRe> KM0201: Where?
[05:09] <bin_bash> so he insisted i get a G5
[05:09] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: right click panel, add to panel, system monitor?
[05:09] <ball> I wish I had a panel :-)
[05:10] <DeM0nFiRe> Not that
[05:10] <DeM0nFiRe> The program that had the graphs for CPU and mem usage and stuff, it wasn't a panel thing
[05:10] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: there's task manager, is that what you want?
[05:10] <jgould> I wish I had a million dollars...
[05:10] <DeM0nFiRe> No
[05:10] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: thats system monitor (the graphcis)
[05:11] <bin_bash> Why does my head look like a penis in this skype call
[05:11] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: i'm sitting here looking at it.. i added it to my panel, 3 metering bars, cpu, mem, swap
[05:11] <ball> If I had a million dollars, I'd drive the Trans-Canada highway.
[05:11] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol
[05:12] <KM0201> ball: gas prices are high, but i don't think you'd need a million bucks to do it
[05:12] <DeM0nFiRe> KM0201: That isn't what I am talking about
[05:12] <DeM0nFiRe> It's not a panel item
[05:12] <DeM0nFiRe> It's a program
[05:12] <ball> KM0201: A million dollars would mean I don't have to work for a while, freeing up the time required.
[05:12] <DeM0nFiRe> it was in System -> System Monitr
[05:12] <DeM0nFiRe> Monitor*
[05:13] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: i dunno man
[05:13] <jgould> hmm... My MacBook doesn't see the USB Stick... Let me burn a CD...
[05:14]  * KM0201 laughs
[05:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: its not just you.
[05:14] <KM0201> jgould: bin needs a USB, and a CD, to boot a live CD..lol
[05:14] <bin_bash> jgould: you have to use both simultaneously
[05:14] <DeM0nFiRe> man this is lame
[05:15] <DeM0nFiRe> KM0201: FYI it was gnome-system-monitor it's in the repo just doesn't come with xubntu anymore
[05:16] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: i was gonna ask you if thats what it was
[05:16] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: to be truthful, it doesn't even work w/ unity anymore
[05:16] <DeM0nFiRe> Yeah I went and looked it up in synaptics
[05:16] <DeM0nFiRe> It's working for me right now
[05:16] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: really?.. it's working in the gnome panel?
[05:16] <KM0201> *xfce panel?
[05:17] <DeM0nFiRe> Well, it's not attached to one of the like taskbar panels if that's what you mean
[05:17] <KM0201> thats what i mean
[05:17] <jgould> I wonder if I could cut down on machines and just run the server with a GUI and use it like a workstation... Do a clean install of Xubuntu and install my server packages...
[05:17] <DeM0nFiRe> Well, I don't want that anyway
[05:17] <DeM0nFiRe> I wanted it in a window
[05:19] <KM0201> ok
[05:19] <KM0201> i like it docked in a panel
[05:19] <DeM0nFiRe> Yeah well I got enough of a headache as it is without trying to see 8 different CPUs on a 24 x 48 pixel box
[05:19] <KM0201> lol
[05:22] <jgould> Anyone see any issues with using Xubuntu as a server?
[05:23] <DeM0nFiRe> Well it has a lot of extra stuff you don't need
[05:23] <jgould> as well as a workstation
[05:26] <DeM0nFiRe> Well, if you try to do both in one machine, it won't be the best it can be for either, but it'll work
[05:27] <jgould> Our server usually has a load of 0.0 0.0 0.0
[05:27] <jgould> It more or less hands out files in the house.  that's it
[05:27] <KM0201> lol
[05:28] <bin_bash> use archlol
[05:28] <KM0201> lol
[05:28]  * KM0201 is getting tired, everything is funny
[05:29] <KM0201> i thought turning on a little bit of ac/dc would wake me up
[05:29] <KM0201> its not helping
[05:29] <bin_bash> awww
[05:29] <KM0201> i'm gonna go nanners when i go back to work
[05:29] <KM0201> lol
[05:29] <bin_bash> lolol
[05:29] <bin_bash> my dog is cute
[05:30] <KM0201> lol, well, thats better than an ugly dogs
[05:32] <jgould> bin_bash, run sudo lsusb -v > lsusb.txt
[05:32] <KM0201> does that need sudo?
[05:32] <jgould> yes
[05:32] <KM0201> woops
[05:32] <KM0201> guess it does
[05:32] <bin_bash> no it doesnt
[05:33] <KM0201> yes it does
[05:33] <KM0201> otherwise, your last 3-4 lines will be "operating not permitted"
[05:33] <jgould> My facetime camera is on Bus 001 Device 003 ID  05ac:8509
[05:34] <jgould> Why I hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the terminal to do that, I'm not sure
[05:34] <KM0201> you could also install pastebinit, and pastebin it right from terminal
[05:35] <bin_bash> goddamn it's like 9000 lines of text
[05:35] <KM0201> bin_bash: thats why he said "lspci.txt" because that shold put it in in a text file in /home
[05:35] <jgould> I can't see another way to get descriptions...
[05:36] <bin_bash> ok
[05:36] <bin_bash> and what am i searching for
[05:36] <KM0201> bin_bash: or like i said, install pastebinit and pastebin it right from terminal
[05:36] <KM0201> http://paste.ubuntu.com/601135/
[05:36] <KM0201> like that
[05:36] <bin_bash> mehhh
[05:37] <KM0201> lol
[05:37] <KM0201> i like pastebinit, handy tool.
[05:38] <bin_bash> http://pastie.org/private/cwvpjruaxdtzjzlirxnwgq
[05:40] <jgould> Lines 1051-1586
[05:40] <KM0201> lol
[05:40] <KM0201> read all those
[05:42] <bin_bash> and what am i supposed to do with that information
[05:43] <bin_bash> i mena seriously? you want me to read 535 lines of text?
[05:43] <KM0201> lol
[05:44] <KM0201> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty/
[05:44] <MK``> ack
[05:44] <KM0201> that says it works out of the box
[05:44] <MK``> xchat annoying bug/feature
[05:44] <bin_bash> oh it works
[05:44] <bin_bash> but i look like a penis.
[05:44] <KM0201> lol
[05:44] <KM0201> lol, i have n idea why that tickled me
[05:45] <Unit193> MK``: What's the feature?
[05:45] <MK``> It interprets beep characters people send to you. Very annoying
[05:45] <MK``> ""
[05:46] <KM0201> bin_bash: dry this....   sudo dv4lstart skype
[05:47] <bin_bash> why
[05:47] <KM0201> actually, that shouldn't need sudo
[05:47] <KM0201> now that i think sudo.
[05:47] <KM0201> cuz.. its supposed to use v4l(video4linux) codecs for the camera that way
[05:47] <KM0201> if i read it correctl
[05:47] <bin_bash> hm
[05:48] <jgould> Wireless won't work on the 8,1's under Natty...
[05:48] <KM0201> you might get an error.
[05:48] <bin_bash> jgould: no there's no driver
[05:49] <KM0201> ok
[05:49] <jgould> Not yet
[05:49] <bin_bash> not for a while
[05:50] <KM0201> bin_bash: you might have to install dv4l before that will work
[05:51] <bin_bash> ok i installe it
[05:51] <KM0201> !info dv4l
[05:51] <bin_bash> jgould: wireless won't work on the 8,1's at all
[05:52] <KM0201> bin_bash: now try running dv4l skype (or whatever i said before)
[05:53] <bin_bash> all it does it start skype
[05:53] <bin_bash> i;m alrwady in skype
[05:53] <KM0201> bin_bash: thats what its supposed to do.
[05:53] <KM0201> close skype...
[05:53] <bin_bash> meh i'll do it lter
[05:54] <KM0201> and restart it.... w/ dv4lstart skype  that *should hopefully* direct your camera to use v4l
[05:54] <KM0201> i'm getting the urge to watch coneheads
[05:54] <bin_bash> are you high
[05:54] <KM0201> lol
[05:55] <KM0201> now what would make you think that?
[05:55] <bin_bash> Because that's a great stoner film
[05:55] <KM0201> i never knew that ..
[05:56] <bin_bash> watch it high
[05:56] <bin_bash> it's great
[05:56] <KM0201> i've never done drugs, never had so much as a sip of alcohol, or smoked a cig.. so.. i don't think i'll be watching it high.
[05:57] <bin_bash> omg that's so sad!
[05:57] <KM0201> lol
[05:57] <KM0201> not really.
[05:58] <jgould> I'm with you, KM0201, except I have drank, just very infrequently...
[05:58] <bin_bash> Wow... I'm like... I total drug-head in comparison
[05:58] <KM0201> lol
[05:58] <KM0201> do we need an intervention?
[05:58] <KM0201> lol
[05:59] <bin_bash> no
[05:59] <bin_bash> I do less drugs than my mom I think
[05:59] <KM0201> na, it's just something i decided very young i was never gonna mess w/, and frankly, thats wy i've never so much as touched any of it
[05:59] <bin_bash> That's cool I guess
[05:59] <bin_bash> Are you against sex too
[06:00] <KM0201> lol, no
[06:00] <KM0201> it's not really that i'm "against" drugs, alcohol, etc..
[06:00] <bin_bash> cuz if you were, then you'd need an itnervention
[06:00] <KM0201> i mean, to really truthful, under most circumstances, if you wanna do drugs, i think thats your business, so long as you're not endangering others.
[06:01] <KM0201> same w/ booze
[06:02] <bin_bash> cool
[06:02] <KM0201> but.. again, just.. when i hear stories at work from various people, who were probably pretty good guys on the street, and they end up there and their story starts, "Well, I was drunk..." or.. "Well, I was stoned..."  just kinda reaffirms my opinion that i don't want anything to do w/ it
[06:02] <MK``> what drugs are we talking about
[06:02] <bin_bash> I only got arrested once
[06:02] <bin_bash> and I wasn't on drugs
[06:03] <DeM0nFiRe> I only got arrested once yesterday
[06:03] <KM0201> lol
[06:03] <KM0201> now thats good.
[06:03] <DeM0nFiRe> I don't remember whether I was on drugs
[06:03] <KM0201> before i transferred to the state system, i worked in a very large, county jail.
[06:03] <KM0201> and this guy, he was a drnk
[06:04] <bazhang> !ot
[06:04] <KM0201> ..
[06:04] <KM0201> i didn't know xubuntu had an offtopic
[06:04] <bazhang> it does.
[06:04] <DeM0nFiRe> KM0201: So you were talking about this Xubuntu user who was drunk
[06:04] <DeM0nFiRe> Just kidding :P
[06:04] <KM0201> lol
[06:04] <bazhang> DeM0nFiRe, lets move on
[06:04] <DeM0nFiRe> lol, I was just being a jerk :P
[06:05] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: join off topic and i'll tell you
[06:10] <KM0201> MK``: what was your xchat bug? ( i saw you mention it)
[06:11] <jgould> helps when you type on the right keyboard
 It interprets beep characters people send to you
[06:11] <bin_bash> what is a beep character
[06:11] <MK``> unicode character 7, ""
[06:11] <MK``> the 'bell' control character :P
[06:11] <KM0201> hmm
[06:11] <KM0201> what is a unijcode character?
[06:12] <MK``> u0007
[06:12] <KM0201> u0007
[06:12] <KM0201> ..
[06:12] <KM0201> i guess i jsut dont get it.
[06:13] <bin_bash> MK``: and whats the problem
[06:14] <MK``> Well it can be used to spam noises, is all
[06:14] <bin_bash> hmmm
[06:15] <MK``> there is a setting to turn it off :D
[06:18] <bin_bash> I was looking for that lol
[06:20] <MK``> it's /set input_filter_beep off
[06:20] <MK``> er
[06:20] <MK``> on
[06:22] <KM0201> well there you go
[06:25] <corno> what would be the best graphical partition editor to use in Xubuntu?
[06:28] <DeM0nFiRe> corno: I just use gparted
[06:28] <KM0201> yup
[06:28] <jgould> Any one else having an issue with using backspace to go back in firefox/chrome?
[06:29] <corno> DeM0nFiRe, i just installed it, works like a charm yes, tx
[06:29] <DeM0nFiRe> No problem
[06:36] <KM0201> later folks, bed time
[06:36] <MK``> night
[07:38] <DeM0nFiRe> Now can someone tell me why Xubuntu changes the bios clock?
[08:03] <Sysi> DeM0nFiRe: afaik it can't
[08:25] <DeM0nFiRe> Sysi: It does
[08:26] <DeM0nFiRe> It sets the BIOS clock to GMT and then adjusts the OS time through software
[08:26] <Sysi> it didn't work like that for me, it just adjusted OS in the basis of bios-time
[08:28] <DeM0nFiRe> That's not the default behavior of the 11.04 install
[08:29] <Sysi> well my HW is always utc so hard to tell
[08:29] <DeM0nFiRe> Well if your had your BIOS set to UTC/GMT it wouldn;t need to change it to UTC, now would it :P
[08:31] <Sysi> can't remember.. every os uses internet time so i never even know what HW is running
[08:32] <DeM0nFiRe> Well, it checks the time from the internet when you install, but it doesn't necessarily sync again after that
[08:32] <Sysi> it should
[08:33] <DeM0nFiRe> Ehh, I disagree
[08:33] <DeM0nFiRe> I think it's a PITA when that happens
[08:33] <DeM0nFiRe> Especially when I have 3+ different OSes on one machine
[08:33] <Sysi> i don't need that many :P
[08:33] <DeM0nFiRe> Each one having a different way of handling timezones
[08:34] <Sysi> everything should work with UTC-hw-clock
[08:34] <DeM0nFiRe> I disagree
[08:34] <Sysi> what doesn't?
[08:34] <DeM0nFiRe> On a small scale system (i.e. one computer) it's easier to sync to local time
[08:35] <Sysi> may be
[08:35] <DeM0nFiRe> (Windows sets the bios clock to local time when you install and doesn't do it again unless youo ask it to)
[08:35] <DeM0nFiRe> you*
[08:35] <Sysi> it still should work with utc-clock
[08:36] <DeM0nFiRe> Except it is synced with local time, so when you set it to UTC time, it doesn't adjust for timezone
[08:36] <Sysi> bad windows
[08:36] <DeM0nFiRe> I disagree
[08:36] <DeM0nFiRe> bad *nix
[08:36] <DeM0nFiRe> syncing to UTC makes more sense on large scale systems or systems that are accessed from multiple timezones
[08:37] <Sysi> settings clock may be bad but not being able to adapt to it definitely is
[08:37] <Sysi> isn't there option to not set it to UTC on installation?
[08:37] <Sysi> i can't remember since linux just works and i didn't note when i installed natty
[08:38] <DeM0nFiRe> lol linux just works and windows doesn't?
[08:38] <Sysi> depends, if i liked windows usability i'd propably use it
[08:38] <DeM0nFiRe> Linux defaults to one thing, windows defaults to another. I think what windows defaults to makes more sense because rather than having 3 different OSes have the same offset, having no offset is easier
[08:39] <Sysi> that "default" is just one tap in installer
[08:40] <DeM0nFiRe> I don't think you can change it in the installer
[08:40] <DeM0nFiRe> Without setting your own timezone to UTC
[08:40] <DeM0nFiRe> You should be able to change that behavior after install
[08:40] <Sysi> i'm not sure about that in natty
[08:41] <Sysi> you are?
[08:41] <DeM0nFiRe> But *buntu is crazy so who knows if you can in buntu :P
[08:44] <Sysi> i think i need to check my windows after installin natty
[10:18] <musaraigne> hi there
[10:19] <musaraigne> I think I could use a little help :)
[10:19] <Sysi> pop a question and somebody with a knowledge ansvers
[10:20] <musaraigne> running latest xubuntu, I have emerald and compiz installed, but when I switch to compiz, no borders on my windows. If trying to force emerald by using the --replace command, I get a segmentation error message in my terminal.
[10:21] <musaraigne> other effects in compiz seem to work, if it's any indication.
[10:22] <Sysi> emerald is deprecated. try gtk-window-decorator or something else
[10:22] <musaraigne> ok, where do I get this one?
[10:23] <Sysi> i don't actually know, i guess it should be in repositories
[10:24] <musaraigne> terminal, oh wait
[10:24] <musaraigne> it's there
[10:24] <musaraigne> apparently listed in my compiz icon so I assume it's there**
[10:24] <musaraigne> it's selected
[10:24] <musaraigne> but if I put compiz in charge, my windows border are still gone
[10:26] <Sysi> you could try setting to use it in compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:26] <Sysi> maybe be compiz is just broken because of unity
[10:27] <Sysi> or if it's fixable, i don't know
[10:28] <musaraigne> I don't think I have unity?
[10:29] <Sysi> unity uses compiz so it has maybe been modified "broken"
[10:30] <musaraigne> for all I know I have xfwm4 only... I see no hints of the Unity
[10:31] <Sysi> it's still same compiz
[10:31] <Sysi> in unity you do have window borders, bu i don't know what's used for drawing them
[10:32] <musaraigne> hmmm
[10:32] <musaraigne> I do suppose that if I install gnome completely in this, xubuntu will badly slow down?
[10:33] <Sysi> err.. why would it
[10:33] <Sysi> but it shouldn't help, since it's just compiz config problem
[10:41] <musaraigne> bbl probably
[10:41] <musaraigne> thanks for the help :)
[10:49] <musaraigne> ohhkay back
[10:49] <musaraigne> here's another one
[10:49] <musaraigne> I installed W32 codecs from medibuntu, as well as libdvdcss2
[10:50] <musaraigne> still, when inserting an encrypted movie dvd, I get told it's encrypted and that it can't be played.
[10:51] <musaraigne> always worked onother distros...
[12:40] <Eric_Herman> gave up on latest ubuntu UI, trying Xfce
[12:45] <Eric_Herman> okay about to reboot to xubuntu ....
[13:04] <xubuntu405> greetings!
[13:12] <kurtul> someone installed xubuntu on emachines (1gb ram) netbook? is it good on it (smooth)?
[14:19] <xubuntu> hello..
[14:22] <theholder> ok ever since i upgraded to 11.04 my machine randomly freezes
[14:24] <Unit193> theholder: Do you have all updates?
[14:25] <theholder> yes
[14:26] <Unit193> I don't happen to know how to fix that issue. I would wait for another person
[15:11] <KM0201> did you figure out your webcam problem?
[15:39] <KM0201> bin_bash: you know what i just realized, skippy only searches 1 workspace
[16:24] <slow-hand> good day
[16:25] <slow-hand> how you doing?
[16:26] <Souperman> quite nice young fellow, how about you?
[16:26] <slow-hand> fine too
[16:26] <slow-hand> thanks
[16:27] <slow-hand> Souperman... i'm seriously interested in move from ubuntu to xubuntu...
[16:27] <Souperman> :D you should
[16:27] <slow-hand> i know, ha...   but...
[16:27] <slow-hand> do you know how install compiz in xubuntu 11.04?
[16:27] <slow-hand> i can't live with out the effects, ha ha ha
[16:28] <slow-hand> and i'm interested in helping to do something too...
[16:28] <slow-hand> but i know i must take it easy
[16:28] <Souperman> tho i might be biased toward xfce, you see back in the day i had a computer, a pentium II computer, and it wont boot whit gnome or kde, so one day i found xfce and i could leave behind windows :D
[16:29] <slow-hand> yeah...  it's great
[16:29] <Souperman> oh im sure you just sudo apt-get install compiz or something like that, lemme find out
[16:29] <Sysi> compiz seems to be a bit diffucult with natty
[16:29] <Sysi> i used kwin at some point
[16:29] <slow-hand> kwin?
[16:30] <Sysi> kde window manager
[16:30] <slow-hand> :o
[16:30] <Sysi> nice effects and pretty easy to set up
[16:30] <slow-hand> the, is it true compiz is movin to kde?
[16:30] <Sysi> installs half of kde of course but worked well
[16:30] <Sysi> what? compiz has nothing to do with kde
[16:31] <slow-hand> no??
[16:31] <slow-hand> maybe i dont' understood that thing i read
[16:31] <slow-hand> ok...
[16:31] <slow-hand> do you know about a howto or something?
[16:31] <Souperman> slow-hand, have you read this?: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/compiz-based-unity-ppa-for-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html
[16:32] <Sysi> but that's about unity
[16:32] <slow-hand> no, i haven't
[16:32] <hobbsc> speaking of switching, i just installed xubuntu for the first time since 8 or 9.  really enjoying it so far
[16:33] <slow-hand> yeah, is nice
[16:33] <Souperman> :D
[16:33] <slow-hand> but i really need the effects
[16:33] <hobbsc> unity kept crapping out on this underpowered machine, i may end up putting xubuntu on my laptop as well, even though it handles unity just fine
[16:33] <Sysi> !info kde-window-manager
[16:33] <hobbsc> pidgin was an interesting choice, any reason why they didn't go with empathy?
[16:33] <Souperman> im on 10.04 reinstalled it last week after a serious mbr event where i lost all my previous systems, only had a 10.04 dvd sitting there so i installed it, so nice, so nice
[16:34] <slow-hand> nice
[16:34] <slow-hand> i want natty cause of the kernel
[16:35] <Souperman> slow-hand, http://www.ubuntu.org.uy/main/node/3102
[16:35] <slow-hand> so, i can install kwin
[16:35] <Souperman> is on spañish but the coding should be understable
[16:35] <Sysi> if i wanted effects on xubuntu natty, i'd install kwin and then set it from systemsettings
[16:35] <slow-hand> he, well, i'm a spanish speaker...
[16:36] <Souperman> :D yo tambien
[16:36] <slow-hand> ja ja ja
[16:36] <slow-hand> magnífico
[16:36]  * Souperman choca los cinco con slow-hand
[16:36] <Sysi> i think nobody has managed to get window borders with compiz on natty
[16:36] <slow-hand> ups, cómo haces eso??
[16:36] <Sysi> english please.
[16:36] <slow-hand> ok
[16:36] <slow-hand> that's the problem i had
[16:36] <Sysi> installing it is very easy but that issue with borders is quite big
[16:36] <slow-hand> i know
[16:36] <Sysi> did you try only emerald?
[16:36] <slow-hand> they disappear
[16:37] <slow-hand> only emerald?
[16:37] <Sysi> well, kwin should work
[16:37] <Sysi> did you try anything to get the borders?
[16:37] <slow-hand> yeah
[16:37] <slow-hand> but only graphical things
[16:37] <slow-hand> i mean, from the graphical tools
[16:38] <slow-hand> i didn't had time to try so much
[16:38] <slow-hand> so i installed ubuntu
[16:39] <slow-hand> i got done my thihgs to do, so now i want to try again
[16:40] <slow-hand> sorry for the insistance, then...
[16:40] <slow-hand> i install xubuntu... then install kwin
[16:40] <slow-hand> configure kwin as the window manager...
[16:40] <slow-hand> then install compiz??
[16:41] <Sysi> no
[16:41] <Sysi> kwin includes effects
[16:41] <slow-hand> oooh...
[16:41] <slow-hand> what effects does it includes?
[16:42] <Sysi> lots of them, can't remember list
[16:42] <slow-hand> expo??
[16:42] <Sysi> of course
[16:42] <slow-hand> or, the desktop wall..
[16:42] <slow-hand> yeah
[16:42] <slow-hand> that's what i need
[16:43] <Sysi> it's nice but i've learned to live without
[16:43] <Souperman> :D
[16:44] <Sysi> or well, i can't find good trigger for it
[16:45] <slow-hand> yeah... maybe it is a fad... but i like it
[16:45] <slow-hand> well...  i'll try a clean installation of xubuntu
[16:46] <Sysi> why not just xubuntu-desktop
[16:46] <Souperman> i have the compiz installed in this machine, but i don't really care to activate it XD i've deleted all the secondary desktops and only have one so its kinda useless for me
[16:46] <slow-hand> well, i do need them...
[16:46] <slow-hand> about 9 of them
[16:47] <slow-hand> so i need the expo effect
[16:47] <slow-hand> that accelerates the things for me
[16:47] <slow-hand> and...  the xubuntu-desktop mixes the applications, doesn't it?
[16:48] <Sysi> !purexfce
[16:48] <Souperman> D: where is the burning application
[16:48] <Souperman> oh found it is brasero, my bad
[16:49] <slow-hand> brasero??
[16:49] <slow-hand> xfburn, no??
[16:49] <Sysi> brasero is default on lucid iirc
[16:49] <slow-hand> oohhh
[16:49] <slow-hand> ok
[16:50] <Sysi> xfburn is better :P
[16:50] <slow-hand> well guys, i'll back...
[16:50] <slow-hand> nice channel
[16:50] <Souperman> ;)
[16:51] <slow-hand> you really help people...
[16:51] <slow-hand> that's nice
[16:51] <slow-hand> does somebody has another suggestion to the desktop effects?
[16:51] <Souperman> :D what else would we be doing here, bothering people who come asking for help? if one does not want to help one shouldnt be on a help irc channel
[16:52] <slow-hand> yeah...  but i've had bad experiences
[16:53] <Souperman> me too... thats why i try to help. And no, not from me slow-hand i'm more than a n00b on linux stuff most of the time
[16:53] <zenrox> slow-hand, compiz is prety much the defacto for desktop effects
[16:53] <Souperman> zenrox, he was trying to know how to install compiz on 11.04
[16:53] <slow-hand> zenrox, i agree.. but with compiz the window borders disappears
[16:54] <Souperman> slow-hand, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWin , it looks pretty well
[16:56] <slow-hand> nice...  i'll try it....
[16:56] <slow-hand> lot of effects
[16:58]  * drc has decided to create a ne *buntu...it'll do <nothing> but will have every effect known to man...he'll call it artsy-fartsy-buntu.
[16:59] <slow-hand> ha
[16:59] <Sysi> and then canonical shoots it down with name copyrights
[17:00] <drc> Well, then I'll call it Linux Mintsy?
[17:00] <slow-hand> or drc-buntu
[17:01] <drc> nah...I'm not egotistical
[17:01] <slow-hand> good point
[17:02] <drc> I don't need to spend millions to go into space.
[17:02] <slow-hand> does emerald should work with xfce?
[17:02] <Souperman> drc, we are on space rigth now, dont you know that?
[17:02] <Sysi> !emerald
We live on a big blue ball, and I never do think we will fall </sing>
[17:03] <slow-hand> ok, kwin wil be then
[17:11] <slow-hand> ok guys, i'll be back
[17:11] <slow-hand> thanks a lot
[17:14] <likemindead> Everyone loving Xubuntu 11.04?
[17:15] <Sysi> ♥
[17:15] <zenrox> yep
[17:16] <Souperman> using 10.04 :(
[17:16] <Souperman> i dont feel like upgrading, that had never gone well
[17:16] <ochosi> is anyone else here experiencing troubles with the systray?
[17:17] <Souperman> even worst i should upgrade to 10.10 and then to 11.04, no thank you, 10.04 works flawlessly
[17:17] <likemindead> There's nothing like a nice, fresh install. I just have a separate /home anyhow.
[17:18] <Galok> downloaded iso, but haven't got a blank CD :-) so spent all day figuring out how to get around the 'Read me not found' error in order to upgrade on-line. Selected a German server which solved that problem and now 4 mins away from 'getting new packages'.
[17:18] <KM0201> i do fresh installs, and don't even keep a separate /home..lol
[17:18] <Sysi> Galok: usb-stick-install?
[17:19] <Souperman> i do have a separate /home
[17:19] <KM0201> assuming the machine will boot USB (my main PC won't for some reason)
[17:19] <Galok> dho! not sure my old lappy will boot from a usb though.
[17:19] <KM0201> Galok: how old is old?.. if its within the last 4-5yrs, it should i would think
[17:20] <KM0201> my PC.. i built it about 3yrs ago, and the motherboard has a USB boot option, but for some reason, it will not boot the.
[17:20] <Galok> Evo-N115 Compaq, 2001 :-)
[17:20] <KM0201> Galok: ah.. thats probably pushing it.. :)
[17:20] <Galok> hehe really got my moneys worth out of it.
[17:21] <KM0201> yeah, my laptop is 6yrs old, i paid 315 for it.. :)
[17:21] <KM0201> i got it at some midnight madness sale at Wal Mart
[17:24] <Galok> I've seen lappys on ebuyer.com (not ebay) without an OS (so no MS-tax) for a couple of hundred £ (UK).
[17:25] <KM0201> Galok: yeah, occasionally you can find those here
[17:25] <KM0201> i bought one second hand, just before i bought this one, it was an offlease, (800mhz, 768mb ram, 40gig hard drive)... it still runs, but i have it running crunchbang linux.. i might put lubuntu on it.
[17:26] <KM0201> i use it for a very specific purpose though, and it doesn't move, so its no big deal (really just need it to sit on a bench for some office documents, and occasional internet access)
[17:30] <Caas> !thx everyone for this fine piece of work, installing it now on my laptop
[17:31] <Caas> thx everyone for this fine piece of work, installing it now on my laptop
[17:33] <KM0201> Caas: is it a clean install, upgrade, dual boot, nuking windows, or what?
[17:33] <zenrox> i nuked my windows
[17:33] <zenrox> but u upgraded from 10.10
[17:33] <zenrox> u=i
[17:34]  * KM0201 has windows in vbox
[17:34] <Caas> im installing it next to win7, so my gf can continue using her stuff.. she just doesnt want to switch during her graduation
[17:34] <zenrox> no need for win for me i can run the apps i need with playon linux
[17:34] <KM0201> ya
[17:34] <Caas> and its a new install , though i have used xubuntu on and off for quite some versions
[17:34] <KM0201> zenrox: my biggest problem, was i have an 80gig Zune (don't shoot me, it was a gift)... no hope at all of getting that thing going w/ linux.
[17:35] <zenrox> KM0201, it can
[17:35] <KM0201> zenrox: where have you read this?
[17:35] <KM0201> i've yet to see a working example.
[17:36] <zenrox> KM0201, let me look casue i had one worken
[17:36] <Caas> I think you could get it to work inside a VM?
[17:37] <KM0201> zenrox: if you plug it in, it will detect it.. but you can't add/remove/play music to it.. (at least as of 10.04)...
[17:37] <KM0201> Caas: vbox=vm
[17:38] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=496243 <--that migt offer some insite
[17:38] <Caas> so it should be able to use a usb and patch that right thru the vbox?
[17:38] <zenrox> last post
[17:40] <KM0201> hold on
[17:40] <KM0201> Caas: thats how i currently sync it.
[17:42] <KM0201> zenrox: thats what i've been doing for 3yrs.. i was talking about natively working in Linux
[17:42] <KM0201> thats why i keep XP in vbox.
[17:43] <zenrox> hmm your stuck then
[17:43] <AnotherPeter> Hello _ I'm a newbie - am I on the right channel to ask questions?
[17:43] <zenrox> i wonder if you can install itt? under wine ye
[17:44] <KM0201> zenrox: you can run the app under wine, but it won't sync the zune
[17:44] <zenrox> AnotherPeter, not technaly but we will hellp you
[17:44] <zenrox> whats the error KM0201
[17:45] <KM0201> honestly, its been so long, i don't remember
[17:45] <zenrox> the zune software might need .net and media player parts as well
[17:45] <KM0201> if you google, you'll find it
[17:45] <AnotherPeter> well i have bought an old Dell laptop on eBay and am wondering whether I can use it to access my PC using remote Desktop - I have no previous Linux experiece
[17:46] <KM0201> i've yet to read a single successful post of someone syncing a zune w/ wine
[17:46] <Caas> install is done, bye all
[17:46] <zenrox> AnotherPeter, yes you can
[17:46] <AnotherPeter> looked at Ubuntu but it seemed rather too big for the laptop
[17:47] <zenrox> how big of a hdd AnotherPeter
[17:47] <zenrox> of =is
[17:47] <AnotherPeter> 16 gb in two partitions
[17:47] <zenrox> so backly 40gig
[17:47] <AnotherPeter> mostly full of windows and dell stuff at present but happy to clear out
[17:48] <AnotherPeter> no i think it's prob a 16gig hdd
[17:48] <zenrox> still just fine
[17:48] <zenrox> 20gig unformated
[17:49] <zenrox> it dont matter what linux you use
[17:49] <zenrox> xubuntu would be nice casue of its low resourses
[17:49] <zenrox> requirement
[17:50] <AnotherPeter> ic
[17:51] <zenrox> it still hase about the same footprint on the hdd as normal ubuntu
[17:52] <AnotherPeter> it has a bootable DELL external CD drive and can currently access the internet through a PCMCIA ethernet card
[17:52] <zenrox> wow old
[17:53] <zenrox> you might want to try a nother linux all togeather
[17:53] <zenrox> something like damnsmalllinux
[17:53] <AnotherPeter> it is but i only want it for this remote desktop purpose
[17:53] <zenrox> check out distrowatch.com??
[17:54] <Sysi> how much RAM?
[17:54] <AnotherPeter> are there any that are GUI based and user friendly?
[17:54] <zenrox> AnotherPeter, thare are a tone
[17:54] <AnotherPeter> 256 mb
[17:54] <zenrox> ubuntu wont even install with 256m
[17:54] <AnotherPeter> ok
[17:54] <Sysi> xubuntu should run on that but lubuntu might be better
[17:54] <AnotherPeter> right
[17:54] <KM0201> yup.
[17:55] <AnotherPeter> lubuntu worth trying then?
[17:55] <zenrox> dont know
[17:55] <AnotherPeter> ok
[17:55] <zenrox> but check out distrowatch.com
[17:55] <AnotherPeter> thanks for your help
[17:55] <Sysi> it's pretty liked
[17:55] <zenrox> and see if you can find one that suites your needs
[17:55] <Galok> AnotherPeter, also take a look at http://www.knoppix.net/ it runs from CD, you don't actually install anything
[17:56] <AnotherPeter> it's got a polish version of xp prof at the moment - not desperately slow
[17:56] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: why would you not want to try an ubuntu variant?(or have i missed part of this conversation)
[17:56] <AnotherPeter> no i'm very happy to try an ubuntu variant
[17:56] <zenrox> KM0201, missed that part
[17:56] <KM0201> ok, i was just scrolling up..
[17:57] <zenrox> lol
[17:57] <KM0201> yeah, thats an old machine
[17:57] <Sysi> Galok: as well as any *buntu from install live-cd
[17:57] <AnotherPeter> provided it is reasonably newbie friendly
[17:57] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: i'd try lubuntu.
[17:57] <AnotherPeter> ok
[17:57] <AnotherPeter> thanks!
[17:57] <KM0201> thats just me
[17:57] <Galok> Sysi, takes a month for buntu live-cd to get going though. :-)
[17:57] <KM0201> i think even xfce will have a little to much bloat for that little ram.
[17:57] <AnotherPeter> yes so i discovered galojk
[17:57] <zenrox> but it sounds like this lappy has some old legasy hardware
[17:58] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: if you can boot the live cd/test hardware, etc.. you might be better off actually installing, w/ an Alternate Install CD, or maybe even a minimal install cd (although you'd likely need to wire to the router to use these two)
[17:59] <zenrox> KM0201, he is wired allread hes using a pcimica wired nic
[17:59] <AnotherPeter> i don't know /have forgotten anything about disk partitions
[17:59] <KM0201> zenrox: oh ok.. man, i need to clean my glasses, i thought he said it was a pcimica wireless
[17:59] <KM0201> lol
[17:59] <zenrox> rofl
[17:59] <Ailurus> Hi
[17:59] <AnotherPeter> i could get/use a pcmcia wireless
[18:00] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: are you wanting to partition the drive? and dual boot the machine?
[18:00] <Ailurus> just to say that I find the last version  of xubuntu really impressiven, at least the installation
[18:00] <AnotherPeter> nope
[18:00] <Ailurus> -n
[18:00] <AnotherPeter> but the drive is currently split in half
[18:00] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: so you want to just nuke the drive, and use linux only on it, correct?
[18:00] <Ailurus> I hope I'llbe able to make it as light as possible so that my netbook will run just like a rocket
[18:00] <AnotherPeter> and full of windows/dell stuff
[18:01] <AnotherPeter> that's what i'm considering, yes
[18:01] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: well, most linux install cds, have an option to "take over" an entire drive, choose that option, and it will auto partition the drive automatically and install
[18:01] <AnotherPeter> ok
[18:01] <AnotherPeter> greast
[18:01] <AnotherPeter> great*
[18:01] <KM0201> i know the buntus do, debian does..
[18:01] <KM0201> i imagine most do...
[18:01] <AnotherPeter> well thanks for all that
[18:02] <KM0201> AnotherPeter: one final thing
[18:02] <zenrox> Ailurus, great!!
[18:02] <AnotherPeter> yes?
[18:03] <KM0201> if it will detect your ethernet card correctly, a good, VERY light linux distro to use, that is based on Debian 6 (which is basically what ubuntu is based on)... is Crunchbang linux...  http://crunchbanglinux.org/
[18:03] <Ailurus> so congratulations to all the dev who are attending this chan! (maybe you zenrox)
[18:03] <KM0201> speaking of.. what on earth ever happened to fluxbuntu?
[18:03] <zenrox> Ailurus, nope not a dev
[18:03] <AnotherPeter> ok bye for now, and thanks.  - may be back sometime
[18:03] <zenrox> KM0201, its still around
[18:04] <AnotherPeter> :D
[18:04] <zenrox> gl AnotherPeter
[18:04] <KM0201> zenrox: has it ever been updated?
[18:05] <zenrox> probly not
[18:05] <KM0201> zenrox: last i saw, 8.10 was in "testing"...lol
[18:05] <KM0201> considering 8.10 is pretty close to, if not, EOL now.. that makes it more or less uselss
[18:05] <KM0201> thats really one thing ubuntu lacks
[18:05] <zenrox> you can install fluxbox
[18:05] <KM0201> yeah, true.
[18:06] <KM0201> i was talking about fluxbuntu though... where the OS installed w/ flux.
[18:06] <KM0201> kinda like kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, etc
[18:06] <zenrox> ya i know
[18:06] <KM0201> i wish there was an official openbox port of ubuntu..
[18:06] <zenrox> e17 is nice
[18:07] <KM0201> never really tried it..
[18:07] <KM0201> i've never had good luck installing other GUI's on an install, i don't know why, it just never seems to work right
[18:07] <zenrox> thay have it in the repos and works great
[18:08] <KM0201> i guess if you really wanted a nice, light, no bones about it install, you could stick e17 on top of a server install
[18:08] <zenrox> its a little more flashyer than unity
[18:08] <KM0201> i thought e17 was for systems w/ low specs? and its flashier than unity?
[18:08] <zenrox> its runs faster than std ubuntu but is flashey
[18:09] <melone> hello
[18:09] <zenrox> hi melone
[18:09] <KM0201> HMMM
[18:10] <zenrox> hmm i think i burnt out KM0201's brain
[18:11] <KM0201> zenrox: lol, why do you think that?
[18:11] <melone> i wonder if anyone can help me with my problem: i get no input-sound from my microphone. The output is fine. I already tried all different combinations in the alsamixer and pavucontrol but the sensitivitybar isnt moving.
[18:11] <zenrox> you whent hmmmmm then dint say any thang
[18:11] <zenrox> melone, do you have more than one sound card installed??
[18:12] <melone> i have a sb-xfi and the onboard sound
[18:12] <melone> i already tried to disable onboard
[18:12] <zenrox> melone,  disable the onboard in the bios
[18:12] <melone> i did that already
[18:12] <zenrox> hmm
[18:13] <melone> and later i tried to get the mic working on the onboard sound but it also didnt work =/
[18:13] <KM0201> zenrox: hmm means i'm in deep thought..lol, plus i was in the middle of playing lbreakout   lol
[18:13] <zenrox> didja try reloading the kernel modual for your sound card
[18:13] <melone> how do i do that?
[18:13] <zenrox> melone, also didja search ubuntuforums.org for a fix
[18:13] <melone> i already rebootet several times
[18:14] <zenrox> if i rember right xfi card has issues but i ant shure
[18:14] <melone> i already visited hundreds of pages with google etc... im totally frustrated because i tried for so long...
[18:14] <melone> yeah i read that too so i tried to use the onboard sound for the mic
[18:15] <melone> do you maybe now what those switches in alsa are useful for?
[18:15] <KM0201> zenrox: melone the xfi's have had issues in linux for a long time
[18:15] <melone> like iec958
[18:15] <melone> but my onboard sound also doesnt give any sound from my mic
[18:16] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1063987&highlight=sound+blaster+xfi+soundcard <---didja try that melone
[18:17] <slow-hand> hi guys
[18:17] <zenrox> wb slow-hand
[18:17] <melone> yes i already uninstalled pulseaudio and tried with pure alsa
[18:17] <zenrox> hmm
[18:17] <melone> the problem is not that the card does not give any sound
[18:17] <slow-hand> from xubuntu now
[18:17] <melone> the ouput is fine
[18:18] <zenrox> melone, didja ask in #ubuntu
[18:18] <melone> not yet^^
[18:18] <zenrox> try thare thare are more helpers in thare
[18:18] <zenrox> as i dont have the experance with that sound card
[18:18] <melone> ok thanks so far =)
[18:18] <zenrox> n/p
[18:20] <zenrox> slow-hand, what do you think??
[18:21] <slow-hand> zenrox, about what?
[18:21] <zenrox> xfce/xubuntu
[18:21] <slow-hand> oohh..  i like xfce, a lot
[18:22] <zenrox> good
[18:22] <slow-hand> that's why i'm here...
[18:22] <slow-hand> is nice
[18:22] <slow-hand> and lightweigth
[18:22] <zenrox> i love it too
[18:22] <slow-hand> yea
[18:22] <slow-hand> now i want to install kwin
[18:22] <KM0201> so iinstall it?
[18:22] <KM0201> :)
[18:23] <slow-hand> guys, there is not a kwin package...
[18:23] <slow-hand> there are kwin-style-xxx
[18:23] <Sysi> kde-window-manager
[18:24] <slow-hand> packages
[18:24] <slow-hand> ok,    duh!!!
[18:24] <zenrox> lol
[18:24] <slow-hand> uuffff....   78 MB on dependencies... let's give it a try
[18:25] <zenrox> i needs lotes of kde stuff
[18:25] <slow-hand> yeah
[18:25] <slow-hand> but, does it slow the performance?
[18:25] <keithpeter> Hello all - this is a daft question but is the content of the help docs on xubuntu 11.04 available on the web anywhere to link to?
[18:26] <zenrox> bprobulay
[18:26] <zenrox> slow-hand, yes probly
[18:26] <zenrox> keithpeter, no idea
[18:26] <keithpeter> Are the xubuntu 11.04 help docs on the web anywhere?
[18:27] <keithpeter> I can't find them either.
[18:27] <zetsuboukitteh> hellow
[18:28] <zenrox> hello zetsuboukitteh
[18:28] <zetsuboukitteh> quick quick question, only a week ago I installed deadbeef on xubuntu by adding the ppa repository and then just apt-getting it
[18:29] <zetsuboukitteh> but now I can't succeed in it
[18:29] <slow-hand> keithpeter...  did you try the xubuntu wiki?
[18:29] <zenrox> zetsuboukitteh, what is deadbeef?
[18:29] <zetsuboukitteh> doing the exact same steps (add-ppa-rep->update->install on terminal), but can't find the package now
[18:29] <zetsuboukitteh> a music player, foobar clone
[18:29] <zenrox> ohhh
[18:29] <keithpeter> Tried the wiki but not obvious if they are there
[18:30] <keithpeter> Will google deadbeef
[18:30] <zetsuboukitteh> just wondering, I tried mint xfce for a week or so, and I couldn't get the repository add work on it but I just thought something would be a little different on mint or something
[18:31] <zetsuboukitteh> don't remember having any problems with it when I installed it on xubuntu just a little ago
[18:31] <Sysi> some mint is based on debian, no ppas
[18:31] <zetsuboukitteh> oh
[18:31] <KM0201> yup.
[18:32] <zetsuboukitteh> well that explains it, but why won't it work on xubuntu now, is what puzzles me
[18:32] <zetsuboukitteh> I think he released a new beta just now but...does it make a difference?
[18:32] <Sysi> how "doesn't work"?
[18:33] <Sysi> what error?
[18:33] <zetsuboukitteh> well I do the add-repo, update and try to install deadbeef, "unable to locate package deadbeef"
[18:34] <zetsuboukitteh> on terminal
[18:35] <Souperman> 1234
[18:35] <Souperman> ups
[18:35] <Sysi> zetsuboukitteh: do you have anything at /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
[18:36] <drc> Souperman: Good password
[18:36] <Souperman> ;)
[18:36] <Souperman> internet is like that, why bother
[18:36] <zetsuboukitteh> Sysi: yes, I do
[18:36] <Sysi> what items?
[18:37] <zetsuboukitteh> alexey-smirnov-deadbeef-natty.list and alexey-smirnov-deadbeef-natty.list.save
[18:38] <zetsuboukitteh> and natty-partner.list +.list.save
[18:38] <Ailurus> One bad point with the last xubuntu : I was  not able to select the packages I don't need or want :/
[18:38] <Ailurus> so that the install is extremely long...
[18:38] <Sysi> like half an hour?
[18:39] <Ailurus> like an hour on my netbook... Including the update
[18:39] <Sysi> zetsuboukitteh: weird, but basically ppa:s are unsupported
[18:39] <Ailurus> andthen I'll uninstall most of the thingies I don't need...
[18:39] <Sysi> Ailurus: netinstall and then adding what you want would have taken a lot longer
[18:40] <Sysi> i bet most of the time went for downloading language packages
[18:40] <zetsuboukitteh> Sysi: unsupported?
[18:40] <Ailurus> yep
[18:40] <Ailurus> done
[18:40] <Ailurus> I have to reboot
[18:40] <Sysi> !ppa
[18:40] <Ailurus> bye
[18:41] <Sysi> zetsuboukitteh: "it's not my problem" but you might want to ask from #ubuntu
[18:41] <zetsuboukitteh> Sysi: yeah, I'll go ask there. just weird that I could do it few weeks ago with not problems...
[18:41] <zetsuboukitteh> Sysi: thanks anyways
[18:42] <keithpeter> Hello all, the help docs from xubuntu 11.04 are online at http://bodmas.org/xubuntu-docs/
[18:42] <keithpeter> I want to quote from them for a review
[18:42] <keithpeter> Any strong objections and I'll pull them off
[18:45] <slow-hand> ok guys...  it's me again...
[18:45] <Souperman> sup slow-hand
[18:45] <slow-hand> how do i set kwin the window manager??
[18:46] <Souperman> >KWin in Xfce: In Xfce KWin must replace Xfwm4, the default window manager. This is done by running 'kwin --replace' (e.g. using the Alt+F2 dialog)
[18:46] <slow-hand> ok...
[18:47] <Sysi> then rm -rf ~/.cache/session and save session on logout
[18:47] <Sysi> or add that line to autostart
[18:47] <slow-hand> is there an autostart file, like openbox??
[18:48] <Sysi> settings → sessions and starup
[18:48] <Souperman> if you close the session you should be able to choose kwin on the session log page
[18:48] <slow-hand> ok...  just kwin...
[18:48] <slow-hand> i mean, no desktop
[18:52] <Souperman> D:
[18:52] <Souperman> woooow i can stream directly to an icecast server using audacious AWESOME
[18:54] <slow-hand> guys, how do i activate the kwin effects??
[18:55] <Souperman> oh, is icecast, and not icecast2 :(
[18:55] <slow-hand> souperman, what's the difference?
[18:57] <Souperman> that my friends internet radio is on a icecast2 server and not an icecast server XD also it ask for an user and a password, usually on ice2 i just have to tell the password because im a recognized user, also it ice you have just vorbis options while on ice2 you have multiple streaming options, like mp3, ogg, flac, and stuff like that
[18:58] <slow-hand> ok, interesting
[18:59] <Souperman> you know what i really really dislike? drag and drop not working
[19:00] <slow-hand> mmm....  where is that? audiacious?
[19:00] <Souperman> yes, on the gtk gui, the standard gui does work
[19:01] <slow-hand> bad thing
[19:01] <Souperman> oh well at least on standard gui i can use my old winamp skins
[19:04] <Souperman> oh yeah :D awesome
[19:04] <bomberdomme> i have a problem. after installation of xubuntu 11.04 system dosent boot. i just get a blinking "_". when i start in maintenance mode i just get the error msg. : "fixing recursive fault reboot is needed." everytime i use this mode. after a search with G****e i found in the german ubuntusersforum somebody else with the same problem. he fixed it with turning apci=off in grub. so i tried to add acpi=off to the list in grub by hitting "e" i
[19:04] <bomberdomme> n grub and adding the line. but i didnt heled 11.04 still doentboot on my acer travelmate 290. the livecd boots without a problem(i use it at the moment).
[19:05] <bomberdomme> sorry my "p" key dosent work 100 %
[19:06] <bomberdomme> helped not heled ...
[19:06] <Souperman> understood
[19:07] <slow-hand> :( I don't find how to enable the kwin effects
[19:09] <KM0201> slow-hand: can you enable those on xfce?
[19:10] <slow-hand> that's what i'm trying
[19:10] <slow-hand> Or must i start a kwin session??
[19:10] <KM0201> i don't know why kwin effects(iirc, thats a KDE tool) on xfce
[19:10] <KM0201> slow-hand: most likely
[19:11] <slow-hand> ok... i'll back
[19:32] <Sysi> kde systemsettings for kde-stuff, need to use alt+F2 since they don't appear in menu
[19:34] <Sysi> bomberdomme: check your installation cd, or try new one
[19:40] <chadi> hi. I decided to install xubuntu on ubuntu using apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, now I decided to go back to ubuntu, but the login screen and the logo are still xubuntu. Can anything be done about that?
[19:41] <Sysi> remove xubuntu-gdm-theme and xubuntu-plymouth-something
[19:46] <kurtul> chadi: at the login screen, you must be able to select the desktop environment. i use kubuntu, but it's the same everywhere. look for a button on the screen that gives you option to switch to ubuntu.
[19:47] <chadi> yeah, but I mean the whole environment, like the background, the plymouth logo. anyway, let me try what Sysi said
[19:48] <chadi> is removing xubuntu-* okay?
[19:49] <Sysi> if you don't need xubuntu-stuff
[19:49] <Sysi> !puregnome
[19:52] <chadi> thank you, interesting link
[20:02] <arkanabar> what's the name of xfce's mouse & keyboard configuring app?
[20:07] <monsterb> arkanabar, xfce4-keyboard-settings && xfce4-mouse-settings
[20:08] <arkanabar> cool, will that work in lxde?  lxinput segfaults if I try to adjust mouse acceleration.
[20:08] <monsterb> no idea, i just switched to Xfce from KDE
[20:09] <monsterb> trial and error ?
[20:10] <drc> arkanabar: Have you asked in #lubuntu?  <They> use lxde.
[20:10] <arkanabar> they haven't answered yet about alternatives to lxinput.
[20:11] <drc> arkanabar: Patience is a virtue....
[20:18] <arkanabar> no doubt, but #lubuntu is a very quiet channel.
[20:19] <drc> Well...the chances of getting an answer there are significantly better than in a channel that does not use lxde ;)
[20:20] <arkanabar> as may be, but as xfce & lxde are both gtk environments, I reckon what works for one ought to do ok in the other.
[20:20] <Sysi> gtk is loose connection.. how abou gsynaptics
[20:23] <Souperman> arkanabar, you did try setxkbmap?
[20:24] <arkanabar> not yet.
[20:26] <Sysi> hurr, aptitude is failing, default browser setting is failing, now rhythmbox is failing
[20:28] <jgould> I saw emma join the room and wondered if my computer joined using the hostname as the name of the machine...
[20:29] <Sysi> and i take it as any of those can't be related to using old /home
[20:29] <arkanabar> Souperman, setxkbmap doesn't appear to allow adjustment of mouse acceleration.
[20:29] <Sysi> gsynaptics is the one with most options
[20:29] <Souperman> no, thats for the keyboard
[20:30] <arkanabar> gsynaptics:  command not found.
[20:30] <Sysi> install it
[20:30] <Souperman> for the mouse use xset
[20:31] <Souperman> xset m
[20:32] <arkanabar> Sysi, there's a successor:  gpointing-device-settings
[20:32] <Sysi> but gsynaptics is shorter to type
[20:33] <Souperman> Sysi, do xset 5 1
[20:33] <Souperman> xset m 5 1
[20:33] <jgould> ls
[20:33] <jgould> er
[20:33] <Sysi> i won't, i have trackball setupped with xor.gonf and touchpad with xinput
[20:35] <arkanabar> Sysi, more to the point, the successor won't let me set acceleration.
[20:44] <Souperman> oh well then
[20:46] <Souperman> :D i love linux, and ubuntu in particular :D installing what i need is so easy :D
[20:57] <Souperman> also i love how the xfce panels are superior to any specific docking application out there
[21:06] <ronulan> is there a specific web forum for posting thoughts and suggestions about xubuntu?
[21:06] <Sysi> ubuntuforums have xubuntu-section
[21:06] <ronulan> I didn't see it
[21:07] <Sysi> or i'm not sure how it works..
[21:08] <ronulan> basically I just wanted to post a comment about the hard drive space requirements in an appropriate place
[21:08] <ronulan> the way it is now, xubuntu won't install on an eee PC with a 4 gig SSD
[21:09] <ronulan> that just seems wrong...
[21:10] <drc> ronulan: Fiest thing I'd do it check launchpad to see if a "bug" or "wish List" has been files about the storage requirements.
[21:10] <ronulan> thanks
[21:10] <boinkboink> g'day, i'm setting up my new 11.04 box.  trying to get drivers for my GTX-460 up for my work in blender however when i open proprietary drivers, it reports: This driver is activated but not currently in use. i have updated xorg.conf via NVIDIA
[21:10] <keithpeter> ronulan df -m gives me 4633 used but that's with openoffice, lyx, tex installed. What does a 'stock' install use anyone?
[21:11] <boinkboink> NVIDIA X server setting but no joy.
[21:11] <Sysi> boinkboink: afaik that's common bug that it reports it not used even if it works
[21:11] <ronulan> I did an upgrade from xubuntu 10.10 and was able to get to xubuntu 11.04 that way, which makes me think that the limit isn't really the limit
[21:12] <drc> boinkboink: It's probably working...mine says the same thing, but checking the Xorg.0.log (?) says it's loaded, and Foobilliards (which requires 3d) work.
[21:12] <keithpeter> ronulan so when you try a clean install, the installer says not enough space?
[21:12] <Souperman> boinkboink, i had the same problem the other day, what i did was disabled the nvidia drivers i had working and then re enabled them
[21:13] <Sysi> ronulan: you know 4GB is really 3.7.. i'd recommend doing command line install and then adding xfce and app you need
[21:13] <ronulan> yes, a clean install of xubuntu 11.04 said not enough space
[21:13] <boinkboink> drc: ahhh,,  thank you .  ill have a look at the log.  and try that too..  :) i'll report..  tks.
[21:13] <ronulan> it shares the same limit as ubuntu 11.04
[21:13] <ronulan> which seems wrong
[21:14] <ronulan> anyone have a direct link to where in launchpad I should be to submit a bug
[21:14] <keithpeter> ronulan well, stock install looses openoffice and evolution but adds gimp back in... maybe its a bug like drc says
[21:14] <Sysi> !bug
[21:15] <ronulan> I kinda find gimp to be a bad choice for a default intall on something like xubuntu
[21:16] <boinkboink> drc: Souperman: welp, the X log reports that i'm using the unified NVIDIA driver.  also i note that the 'compositor' option in WM tewaks is not avail..
[21:17] <Souperman> boinkboink, try disabling the nvidia drivers, reboot, re enable, reboot
[21:17] <drc> boinkboink: I'm not sure if there is a bug filed, but I know that "the powers that be" are aware of the problem
[21:18] <keithpeter> ronulan yup mtpaint would go better with abiword and gnumeric.
[21:18] <Souperman> maybe when upgrading some dependencies got broken
[21:18] <boinkboink> okey! goog,  the only option i have is to remove the driver, no disable, but will remove and reinstall..  i'll report.
[21:18] <boinkboink> *good
[21:19] <Souperman> thats what i did
[21:19] <Sysi> xfce compositing settings don't care whar driver you're using
[21:19] <boinkboink> Souperman: thought so :)
[21:20] <drc> ronulan:  : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[21:20] <boinkboink> Souperman: drc: will check out to bounce X..  bbl.
[21:23] <ronulan> bug filed,. thanks guys
[21:24]  * drc pines for the days one could install FreeBSD on a 212MB hdd and lots of room left over.
[21:25] <Sysi> i think you still can
[21:27] <boinkboink> drc: Souperman: bummer, that didn't work, gonna bounce again after re-installing xorg.conf
[21:27] <drc> Sysi: Yup, says minimum of 100 MB :)
[21:30] <boinkboink> Souperman: still no joy.  did you remove the driver in the proprietary drivers window or via synaptic?
[21:31] <drc> boinkboink: Don't worry about what it "says"...it's a bug...worry about if it's working
[21:31] <boinkboink> X log says it is not working.
[21:32] <boinkboink> x log reports "unified" driver.
[21:32] <drc> OK...I have <no> idea what a "unified" driver is
[21:33] <boinkboink> it's the open source driver for NVIDIA gpus that does not fully support compositing in later chips like the 460
[21:33] <Souperman> boinkboink, no i just used the jockey driver installer that xubuntu comes whit
[21:34] <boinkboink> you got me now w/ 'jockey' :)
[21:34] <boinkboink> ?
[21:34] <drc> jockey == Additional Drivers
[21:34] <Souperman> run sudo jockey-gtk
[21:34] <boinkboink> i'll give that a go!
[21:35] <drc> boinkboink: http://pastebin.com/ASpPesHt  My Xorg.0.log
[21:35] <boinkboink> drc: rr
[21:40] <boinkboink> drc: you have it at http://pastebin.com/sT4E9yBg
[21:40] <drc> boinkboink: Any thing to check...change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf "nologo" from true to false, restart X and see if the nvidia logo flashes on the restart (it'll be obvious)
[21:40] <boinkboink> i'll give it a go,,  tks..
[21:40] <drc> boinkboink: Yeah, I saw that...my guess is you're using the nvidia driver
[21:41] <boinkboink> i hope that puts it to rest :)
[21:42] <boinkboink> drc:  hmmm, term 'nologo' not found in my xorg.conf.  should i put it into the driver section?
[21:43] <drc> boinkboink: I put a couple of hours here (with people that really know what they're doing) checking this...I satisfied :)
[21:43] <drc> boinkboink: Do you a "full" xorg.conf (as in nividia-xconfig made)?
[21:44] <boinkboink> yes, i have a copy you can inspect at http://pastebin.com/sT4E9yBg
[21:45] <drc> boinkboink: That's your log, not the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:45] <boinkboink> drc: i'll make a copy of the avail too:)
[21:47] <boinkboink> drc:  http://pastebin.com/B2u4zCUM
[21:49] <drc> boinkboink: I'd put    Option	"NoLogo"	"False" under  Section "Device" and restart X...the nvidia logo should flash.
[21:50] <drc> But I have to leave for a while...puppy obiedence class (I have to be trained :)
[21:51] <boinkboink> drc: ahhh,  now i find the correct driver in in Xlog..  not sure which restart brought it up..  also, found GLX starting up.  looks like it is working now. but will put nolog in the config.  brb
[21:51] <drc> the final check is to install foobilliards (or some variation of the name) from repos...run it, and if it works smooth;y, the 3d driver <is> loaded
[21:53] <boinkboink> also hyper torus screen saver is a good indication.  very gpu heavy..  thank you..  brb
[21:58] <boinkboink> drc: did'nt see a logo but i'm sure that it
[21:58] <drc> ok...could be my card set specific...good, have fun.
[21:58] <boinkboink> drc: 's working now..  correct driver noted as starting in Xlog now.
[21:58] <drc> off to class
[21:58] <boinkboink> drc: k,  thanks for your help!
[21:59] <Souperman> :D
[22:00] <boinkboink> Souperman: yes would be funny but frustrating..  :)
[22:02] <R_Hrdbns> Hello, anyone good with the sound stuff here?
[22:03] <zenrox> maby whats the questio
[22:03] <zenrox> n
[22:03] <R_Hrdbns> I Upgraded, and ALSA stopped mixing
[22:03] <R_Hrdbns> I only get sound from one app at a time
[22:04] <zenrox> oh
[22:04] <boinkboink> Souperman: i can get 600fps out of the hypertorus, need full GLX for that! :)
[22:04] <zenrox> you probly have to del the conf file you made and rebuild it or uninstall all the alsa and reinstall it
[22:05] <R_Hrdbns> I never made a config file
[22:05] <Sysi> do you have pulseaudio?
[22:05] <zenrox> thats my guess R_Hrdbns
[22:06] <R_Hrdbns> I have tried to reinstall/purde all the alsa packages
[22:06] <R_Hrdbns> I do not have pulse audio installed that I know of
[22:06] <Sysi> ps -e | grep pulse
[22:07] <R_Hrdbns> Sysi: Nothing
[22:07] <Sysi> so you don't
[22:07] <R_Hrdbns> Do I need to install it?
[22:07] <Sysi> no
[22:07] <R_Hrdbns> ALSA should mix automatically, right?
[22:07] <Sysi> yes
[22:07] <R_Hrdbns> The dmix stuff was deprocated
[22:09] <R_Hrdbns> Well, I guess I'll just have to purge everything but the basics and just install the xubuntu meta package
[22:09] <R_Hrdbns> Should be close enough to a clean install
[22:11] <R_Hrdbns> Right, thanks for the assistance.
[22:12] <s|gnal> Hi! How can I autostart an application (goldendict) on startup and minimize it to the tray?
[22:13] <s|gnal> I've configured goldendict in Menu | Settings Manager | Session and Startup | Application Autostart, but don't know how to send it to the tray.
[22:17] <mikeatvillage> does the usual  -iconify  switch work?
[22:18] <s|gnal> nope
[22:20] <mikeatvillage> well, it was just a guess
[22:24] <s|gnal> thanks. I would have expected that there is some standard way of doing this.
[22:25] <Hezy> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with MPEG4 files - no sound. I guess it's a missing codec issue, but I can't figure out which one. Anyone had this problem?
[22:26] <zenrox> install xubuntu-restricted-addons and xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:26] <zenrox> make shure you have the universe repos enabled
[22:27] <Hezy> zenrox: I'll take a look to see if I have it all
[22:28] <MACscr> so i hate unity with natty, so if figured i would check out xubuntu, but i really rely on nautilus bookmarks and i like gnome do. Is there alternatives for xubuntu?
[22:28] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683 <--check this out too Hezy
[22:28] <zenrox> thunar does all the same bookmarks MACscr
[22:29] <zenrox> thay are just on the right hand side insted of a menu
[22:29] <zenrox> err lefthand
[22:32] <MACscr> of a menu? maybe i used the wrong term. I have like 50 sftp/ftp bookmarks that i use to easily access sites that i work on. I dont see them listed anymore in the menu
[22:32] <MACscr> also, after i just rebooted, my monitors arent in extended mode anymore either. They are just cloning each other
[22:32] <zenrox> MACscr, also you can still run nautalis under xubuntu
[22:32] <Hezy> zenrox: I have these two meta packages installed, so this is not the source of my probelm :(
[22:33] <zenrox> Hezy, check out the link i gave you
[22:33] <zenrox> MACscr,  you need to reconfiguer your gfz card
[22:33] <zenrox> as in how its set up
[22:34] <MACscr> zenrox: odd why it worked fine when first used it
[22:34] <MACscr> er, that it
[22:34] <zenrox> MACscr, on the ftp bookmarks just use nautilus on xubuntu
[22:34] <zenrox> MACscr, its casue xfce/xubuntu uses a difernt config file than gnome
[22:34] <MACscr> do i have to use xrander to fix the monitor issue?
[22:34] <MACscr> or is there a gui for it
[22:35] <MACscr> i didnt see the options under the display settings
[22:35] <zenrox> what didja use to the first time you set it up
[22:35] <zenrox> also what card
[22:35] <MACscr> zenrox: it worked out of the box with gnome
[22:35] <Hezy> zenrox: thanks. I'll try it and see if it solves the problem
[22:35] <MACscr> ati 4850
[22:35] <zenrox> start your ati control manager
[22:36] <zenrox> set it up thare
[22:36] <MACscr> i dont have one, i use the open source drivers
[22:36] <zenrox> oh
[22:36] <zenrox> then i cant help you
[22:36] <zenrox> lol
[22:36] <zenrox> i am a nvidia user no real experance for the opensource drivers
[22:37] <zenrox> i knwo the offical ones tho
[22:37] <MACscr> ok, so if i can continue to use nautilus, how do i access it? i had it installed before the switch
[22:37] <zenrox> should be on the menu
[22:37] <zenrox> let me look for it
[22:38] <zenrox> hmm not on my list but you can do run program and input nautilus --no-desktop
[22:40] <zenrox> and for quicker access you can make a launcer on the desktop
[22:42] <ronulan> update on my system requirements problem
[22:43] <ronulan> I also tried to do an install of lubuntu and it said I needed 5.4 gb free space
[22:43] <ronulan> isn
[22:43] <ronulan> isn't lubuntu supposed to be even more lightweight than xubuntu and ubuntu?
[22:43] <ronulan> so, I think this must be a bug
[22:44] <zenrox> 5.4gig free of hdd space
[22:45] <ronulan> yes, does that sound right?
[22:45] <zenrox> yes
[22:45] <ronulan> I guess I don't get what lightweight means
[22:45] <drc> ronulan: I;m not sure you understand what a "bug" is...it's <not> something you don't like.
[22:45] <zenrox> lubuntu just means more lighter wight on the system resources
[22:46] <drc> ronulan: It mean light weight <running>, as in RAM and processors.
[22:46] <zenrox> still has about same footpront on the hdd
[22:46] <zenrox> unless you go to something like damnsmall linux
[22:46] <ronulan> ah
[22:47] <drc> ronulan: I'd go to distrowatch and checkout all the distro's to see if there is one you can use.
[22:47] <ronulan> drc, I understand what a bug is
[22:47] <ronulan> it didn't seem to me that the install was accurately reporting the system requirement
[22:48] <ronulan> wasn't reporting that is
[22:48] <mikeatvillage> Not heard of lubuntu, I'll d/l and install for a look, still hunting for a ubuntu that fits my needs and tases :-)
[22:48] <zenrox> well it was reporting the right info
[22:49] <ronulan> I'm not so sure, talking with a guy in #lubuntu and he says it only intalls 1.6 gig of data
[22:52] <drc> ronulan: I appologize, I thought you meant that the fact that lubuntu wasn't a light weight as you thought was a bug.  Sorry.
[22:52] <ronulan> it's ok, it's a confusing problem for me to describe
[22:54] <drc> ronulan: But I'd still go to distrowatch and read up on the lightwieght distros...might find exactly what you want there.
[22:55] <linuxxnut> hey im having trouble with 11.04 the cpufreq doesnt do anything
[22:56] <linuxxnut> or dosnt actually change the freq
[23:35] <Souperman> its my opinion that deluge should be the default xubuntu torrent manager
[23:50] <Souperman> so, why does ristretto doesnt let me change the wallpaper from it?