[01:55] <Ultimoore> how are you jive turkeys tonight?
[01:56] <khoover> PPCA meeting, irc.piratepart.ca/#canada
[01:57] <khoover> #riffraff is the off-topic
[01:57] <Ultimoore> so where is the meeting ?
[01:58] <khoover> irc.pirateparty.ca
[01:58] <khoover> #canada's the meeting channel, riffraff the off-topic
[01:59] <khoover> also, +m on #canada
[02:00] <Ultimoore> so what did you guys talk about in the last meeting
[02:01] <khoover> executive board elections. tonight's political. we're in the middle of a restructure, so, not much major activity.
[02:02] <Ultimoore> restructuring what per say. Members or executives?
[02:04] <khoover> executives, party structure, and setting responsibilities
[02:06] <Ultimoore> so in lame-mans terms (me) : Voting a new boss, re-organizing groups and giving new jobs to do? Is that somewhat close?
[02:07] <khoover> close
[02:07] <Ultimoore> good enough for me. I'm a on the streets kind of guy.
[02:35] <dscassel> Welcome grant_lovell!
[02:35] <grant_lovell> hey action
[02:35] <BobJonkman> Cool.  Action in the channel
[02:36] <grant_lovell> Action at the table
[02:36] <dscassel> Greetings from the Waterloo ubuntu hour! :D
[03:13] <Ultimoore> back again. Has this group been keeping up with whats going on with Ubuntu's TV/Tablet and Phone message boards?
[03:13] <khoover> ello ello ello
[03:19] <Ultimoore> On the TV board I mentioned that LoCo's should talk to local production companies to get them to sell their products via Ubuntu One Store. Now with that being said advertising on has to be done. What Ubuntu needs is a tv spot. anyones thoughts on this?
[03:27] <BobJonkman> Haven't watched TV in ages.
[03:27] <dscassel> Electrohome is long gone, sadly.
[03:27] <BobJonkman> Do you mean "Production Companies" that produce TVs, or TV shows?
[03:27] <grant_lovell> anyone have any contacts at sony?
[03:27] <Ultimoore> shows
[03:29] <Ultimoore> Or even direct tv stations that do Online tv like :Space  to Canonical and get them to make an App for the TV
[04:17] <mimcpher> khoover: khoover !
[04:17] <khoover> hey


[07:25] <mup> PR operator#621 closed: Update test/lint tooling <Created by jnsgruk> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/621>
[07:55] <mup> PR operator#622 closed: Extended and modified Harness storage API <Created by Vultaire> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/622>
[08:02] <mup> PR operator#628 opened: Extended and modified Harness storage API <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/628>
[09:02] <mup> Issue operator#627 closed: [pebble] Restart at on_config_change fails because of missing service <Created by phvalguima> <Closed by phvalguima> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/627>
[09:52] <mup> PR operator#598 closed: Fix _should_use_controller_storage for metadata v2 charms <Created by petevg> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/598>
[11:42] <mup> Issue operator#187 closed: Improve how to access the events <enhancement> <Created by facundobatista> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/187>
[11:52] <mup> Issue operator#578 closed: RelationData submits a relation-set even if data is the same <Created by phvalguima> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/578>
[12:49] <mup> PR operator#629 opened: Implement a basic update method on BoundStoredState <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/629>
[13:33] <mup> Issue operator#409 closed: Setting model.app.status causes the deployment to hang <Created by camille-rodriguez> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/409>
[14:03] <mup> PR operator#630 opened: Flatten nested dictionaries passed to action_set() <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/630>


[06:54] <slax0r> CrazyLemon: video was removed
[06:54] <slax0r> new link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rQbo1hJbak
[06:54] <slax0r> ;)
[06:54] <jabuk> VIDEO: Hungary skier Elizabeth Swaney attempts zero tricks in halfpipe Olympic final qualifier - YouTube
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[06:55] <slax0r> samo, wtf?  Fire support can be called when two special player classes, the Commander and Obser...
[20:32] <matjaz> CrazyLemon, sm že vidu :)
[20:32] <matjaz> čist hudo
[20:37] <zdobbie> kolk dolg ze ti to verzijo izdajajo?
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> sej je ne izdajajo
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> napovedan je release enkrat 2018
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> in zaenkrat se držijo tega roka
[20:37] <CrazyLemon> D:
[20:54] <CrazyLemon> https://www.instagram.com/p/BfgHKDNAplx/
[20:54] <jabuk> Elon Musk on Instagram: “Going to try to catch the giant fairing (nosecone) of Falcon 9 as it falls back from space at about eight times the speed of sound. It has…”
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[10:36] <Laney> seb128: i'm reviewing this gjs... it seems a bit concerning at this point - how confident are you in it?
[10:36] <Laney> it's hard to tell where the patches are from since they aren't properly attributed in d/patches/*.patch
[10:36] <Laney> and there are different GC fixes in master atm
[10:36] <Laney> which aren't in this upload
[10:37] <Laney> so... it's confusing
[10:45] <sergiusens> sil2100: hello there. Are you the current guardian of ubuntu-image? It seems to be blocking snapcraft on bionic due to an unrelated error on booting the created image
[10:51] <seb128> Laney, duflu and Trevinho are confident it's not going to create issues and the problem it addresses as being judged as important for the release by will
[10:52] <Laney> I understand that fixing what is apparently a big leak is important
[10:52] <seb128> Laney, duflu mentioned on the bug that there are more fixes that could be backported indeed, but the ones in master didn't address the most important issue from what I understood
[10:53] <Laney> This upload is quite difficult to review though
[10:53] <sil2100> sergiusens: hey!
[10:53] <seb128> right, I appreciate that, I had that conversation before upload with duflu on -desktop as you might have read
[10:53] <sil2100> sergiusens: yeah, let me take a look
[10:53] <sil2100> sergiusens: one ADT test there is flaky recently, it might be that
[10:53] <seb128> Laney, it basically going to down on whether we trust duflu/Trevinho opinion on the fix
[10:54] <Laney> not really
[10:54] <sil2100> sergiusens: ok, re-running those, it looks like the usual flakyness ;/ Wasn't so flaky before bionic
[10:55] <Laney> We could not have to go on trusting opinions if we use the SRU process to verify the fix
[10:55] <Laney> in any event I would really appreciate proper attribution
[10:58] <seb128> Laney, you mean "use the SRU process"? willcooke said he would do a call for testing once it's in proposed
[11:00] <seb128> Laney, I can ask duflu to fix the attribution thing tomorrow, I'm unsure who wrote the patches and where he got them from
[11:00] <seb128> he's eod by now though
[11:00] <Laney> two of them are from https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/114, which I found by searching
[11:00] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 114 in gjs "Queue a GC when a toggle reference goes from >1 to 1" (comments: 15) [Opened]
[11:00] <Laney> there is another patch that I can't find the source of though
[11:00] <seb128> the cairo regression fix?
[11:01] <seb128> that's from master afaik, dunno why they didn't commit it in .52 as well
[11:01] <Laney> yes
[11:01] <Laney> it says "Unreviewed" on it
[11:02] <Laney> ok
[11:02] <seb128> Laney, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/commit/8510bede
[11:02] <seb128> the upstream commit includes that "Unreviewed" for some reason
[11:03] <Laney> alright, so again proper attribution in the patches please
[11:03] <seb128> like renaming it git_ and writting "backport from master" in the changelot?
[11:03] <seb128> changelog
[11:04] <Laney> Origin: upstream, <url>
[11:04] <seb128> k, I though we usually didn't bother for backports of upstream commit
[11:04] <seb128> people usually seem to throw a git format-patch patch in there
[11:04] <seb128> but ok, if you want I can do that
[11:05] <seb128> is the upload fine then once the attribution question sorted out?
[11:05] <Laney> those are just things that make it harder to review
[11:05] <seb128> I'm unsure we addressed the fact that you find the commits not easy to review or what would make it feel better about those
[11:05] <seb128> right
[11:05] <seb128> I can fix that part
[11:05] <Laney> otherwise, I don't know, I'm worried about having a different behaviour here and that we'll be on our own when it comes to debugging
[11:05] <seb128> I share that concern
[11:06] <Laney> we'll have patches which aren't upstream, and we won't have patches which are
[11:06] <seb128> but upstream isn't acting on a tempo that works for us
[11:06] <Laney> and it's final freeze tomorrow
[11:06] <Laney> which means any time to react and fix things is very limited
[11:06] <seb128> right
[11:06] <seb128> I argued about that yesterday on -desktop
[11:06] <darkxst> Laney, I was hoping to do a proper review of the patches last night but its been a crazy week
[11:06] <Laney> ok, I didn't follow that
[11:06] <Laney> hey darkxst
[11:06] <seb128> but our options are basically to take that upload
[11:07] <seb128> or to have a big leak in the release
[11:07] <seb128> will and others fear it might lead to bad reviews/user opinion
[11:07] <Laney> and have more managed testing by using an SRU
[11:08] <darkxst> Laney that is my feeling too from a quick review of patches
[11:08] <seb128> will & duflu believed it would be a big error to release with that leak
[11:08] <seb128> willcooke, ^ the gjs fix is being nacked it sounds like
[11:08] <Laney> do they remember that upgrades aren't turned on until .1?
[11:08] <seb128> yes
[11:08] <Laney> right...
[11:09] <seb128> seems like the interweb is already hating on us for thinking about releasing with a such leak
[11:09] <seb128> and they fear it builds up as a negative PR against the release
[11:09] <seb128> anyway I'm just the messenger there
[11:09] <Laney> would it be more hateful to release with a buggy GC?
[11:09] <Laney> or cause slowdowns or something
[11:09] <seb128> that's the point where I said I trusted duflu & Trevinho
[11:09] <seb128> they both believe it's not possible/likely
[11:10] <seb128> and duflu said it tested it to no end
[11:10] <didrocks> (I don't think "when people upgrade" is something to take into account as people reviewing/PReleasing/making noise about it are just installing it fresh in a VM/machine IMHO)
[11:11] <Laney> OK, please remove the pressure from the press from me.
[11:11] <seb128> I'm just the messenger there, I'm relying the argument that were made to me when I pushed back sponsoring yesterday
[11:12] <darkxst> seb128, I am not against landing the patches, but wouldnt personally do it this late in the cycle
[11:12] <seb128> neither would I
[11:12] <seb128> but we are there now
[11:12] <seb128> it's late with an issue some people arguing we can't release with
[11:12] <seb128> so our options are limited
[11:12] <Laney> Being able to say that we are carefully considering these fixes rather than rushing them in to satisfy some bad headlines is a fine story.
[11:13] <seb128> " and duflu said it tested it to no end"
[11:13] <seb128> I wrote that just before
[11:13] <seb128> unsure if you saw?
[11:13] <seb128> Trevinho and duflu believe it's a right move
[11:13] <Laney> I did see that
[11:13] <Laney> I know!
[11:13] <seb128> I wouldn't say we are rushing
[11:13] <Laney> But that's not the same as giving the change to everyone is it?
[11:13] <seb128> no
[11:14] <seb128> as said the people who know the best that stack in our team judge it's the right call at this point
[11:14] <seb128> I don't know that codebase enough to judge
[11:14] <Laney> ok, I think I abstain
[11:14] <sergiusens> thanks sil2100
[11:15] <Laney> someone that's not in the same team should review things like this
[11:15] <seb128> Laney, k, I can understand that
[11:15] <seb128> yeah, in fact I was not expecting you to pick on that
[11:15] <seb128> but thanks for the review/sharing your opinion!
[11:15] <darkxst> seb128, did you know the nvidia prop driver leaks caches into the reported gnome-shell memory usage that is actually in GPU RAM?
[11:16] <darkxst> its a complex world and the reported gnome-shell memory usage is not always accurate
[11:16] <Laney> I don't see a particular leak in the gnome-shell process here either
[11:16] <willcooke> Wimpress, is that the same issue you mentioned re: nvidia driver ^
[11:16] <seb128> duflu has been testing on intel
[11:16] <Laney> and it's been running since April 05
[11:16] <seb128> so it's not an nvidia issue we are talking about
[11:17] <seb128> Laney, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/04/16/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t09:59 has more context if you are interested
[11:18] <seb128> again I'm only the messenger/uploader here
[11:19] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, I'm glad you guys don't see the leak, the bug linked to the upload shows a real problem with lot of users unhappy about it so let's not dismiss there is a problem
[11:19] <Laney> I believe it, and I'm not dismissing it
[11:19] <Laney> it is different to a problem that is urgent for everybody
[11:19] <Laney> ok, that's me, I need someone else to make a decision on this thing
[11:19] <seb128> "duflu, I'm not arguing against the issue or shooting the messenger, I just think you overstate the proper by making it sounds like it makes GNOME unusable for everyone"
[11:19] <seb128> that's what I wrote on that log in pointed out
[11:20] <seb128> said differently I'm on the same line as you are
[11:20] <seb128> anyway
[11:21] <seb128> if r-t is unhappy about the fix for release maybe we can at least get it approved in proposed and block it there and see how it goes/turn it into a SRU if needed
[11:21] <seb128> at least if it's in proposed it would get more testing
[11:23] <darkxst> seb128, that was only an example, I have spent alot of time over the years looking into -shell memomry leaks
[11:23] <seb128> shame that nobody has been doing that in recent cycles
[11:24] <seb128> or we wouldn't be there
[11:24] <darkxst> it is impossible to tell from the surface what are caches etc
[11:24] <seb128> I think you should give more credit to duflu
[11:24] <seb128> he spent most of his cycle digging in gnome-shell performances issues and got several fixes commited upstream
[11:24] <seb128> he probably understand things better than you think he does
[11:27] <darkxst> seb128, I'm not arguing that he doesnt understand things, more that its super late to be hastily landing GC patches
[11:28] <seb128> darkxst, I think "hastily" is wrong
[11:28] <seb128> duflu has been testing those carefully for weeks from what he said
[11:28] <darkxst> who else has tested them?
[11:28] <seb128> in anything the issue is that it hasn't been hasted, if we had uploaded before he tested them they would be in
[11:29] <darkxst> apart from a few developers?
[11:29] <seb128> what's your point?
[11:30] <seb128> what fixes/commits are tested by more than a few developers before being commited?
[11:30] <seb128> none
[11:30] <didrocks> chicken & egg argument here :)
[11:30] <willcooke> If they get in to proposed then we can do a wide call for testing this week
[11:31] <seb128> right, I asked about that earlier but that didn't get a response
[11:31] <seb128> anyway I need to get some food, I didn't eat anything since 7am and I feeling weak, back in half an hour
[11:31] <willcooke> the people in the desktop team best qualified to comment on the suitablility of that patch say that its good, so I would really like to get more eyes on it from the general community
[11:32] <jbicha> willcooke: PPA then?
[11:32] <seb128> PPA doesn't give us enough visibility
[11:32] <seb128> or at least less
[11:32] <seb128> and if it's in proposed it can be a 0 day SRU
[11:32] <willcooke> well, I really want it in for release so that would add more delay wouldn';t it?
[11:35] <willcooke> what seb128 said
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, I need to talk to Trevinho later or duflu tomorrow, but upstream commited that to master 6 hours ago, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/commit/a6b6fc1342
[11:38] <seb128> which I wonder is supposed/could address the same problem in a different way
[11:38] <seb128> though upstream didn't comment on the other merge request/didn't close it as superseeded
[11:39] <seb128> but unsure changing our strategy at this point would be wise
[11:39] <seb128> even if it's commited in master it didn't get more testing than our patch
[11:39] <seb128> and duflu made the work to verify that the patches he included fixes the issue we want to see resolved
[11:39] <Laney> I think you've made your case
[11:39] <seb128> we would have to redo the validation work on that other commit
[11:40] <seb128> k, I guess that's a polite "please shut up now" :p
[11:40] <seb128> which I guess is the signal I should really go and grab something to eat :)
[11:40] <seb128> bbiab
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-0ubuntu5 => 3.28.1-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:44] <Laney> sil2100: or apw: in case you missed me saying above; please review gjs
[11:44] <Laney> as you can see people from the desktop team are lobbying for it
[11:45] <Laney> but I'm also in that team so I would like to not be the one deciding since it seems potentially risky
[11:52] <Laney> (garnacho is still hoping for it to go in upstream though, I just asked him in #gnome-shell)
[12:04] <willcooke> the same patch Laney?
[12:04] <Laney> yeah
[12:05] <willcooke> thx
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected update-notifier [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.191]
[12:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfsprogs (trusty-proposed/main) [3.1.9ubuntu2 => 3.1.9ubuntu2.1] (core)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected mutter [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1]
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-2 => 3.28.1-1] (desktop-extra, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nginx [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.14.0-0ubuntu1]
[12:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fluidr3mono-gm-soundfont [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.315-4]
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:18.04.17]
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: peony-extensions (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.1-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[12:33] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, can you please remove hedgewars on ppc64el binaries? they have been building by luck, but never been supported at all, a simple no-change rebuild should make the FTBFS again, I already asked to remove such architectures in Debian too
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried a rebuild, but seriously, the support for BE machines is just broken
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: peony (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.1-0ubuntu2] (ubuntukylin)
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haproxy [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.8.7-1]
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ibus [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.5.17-3ubuntu4]
[12:55] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: ... abstaining on the general issue here, but you know that ppc64el isn't BE, right?
[12:56] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, let me do things more clear, thanks!
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> upstream provides a clang-based pascal->C conversion stuff that makes things build even without fpc compiler
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> but this sucks :)
[13:00] <LocutusOfBorg> and yes, somebody should just bootstrap fpc everywhere, now it should work also on ppc64el
[13:03] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: fpc support for ppc64el still not in released version
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why I prefer to just kick out hedgewars there
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg> we don't need to have angry bug reports about a game that crashes during online play :)
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg> people might loose and give the fault to the package and not their skills :p
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: 389-ds-base (bionic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 389-ds-base [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-meta (bionic-proposed/main) [1.416 => 1.417] (core)
[13:31] <sforshee> Laney: we haven't been able to promote our raspi2 kernel for bionic because britney is waiting for arm64 test results. My understanding is that we won't get any test results because we don't have cloud images for it, what can we do about that?
[13:53] <Laney> sforshee: Sure we do, but I'm not sure why results didn't come in, one second
[13:56] <Laney> sforshee: hmm, ok, they all failed but I'm not sure right now why that didn't get associated with the request on update_excuses
[13:56] <Laney> e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.522]
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gjs [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.52.1-1ubuntu1]
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sddm [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.17.0-1ubuntu6]
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-settings [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.16]
[13:59] <Laney> who's doing these reviews? I'd left a comment on the bug report for livecd-rootfs
[13:59] <apw> no me
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted networkd-dispatcher [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.7-0ubuntu2]
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xfsprogs [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.9.0+nmu1ubuntu2]
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kdeclarative [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.44.0-0ubuntu3]
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-settings [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.5]
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-control-center [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.3-0ubuntu1]
[14:04] <Laney> looks like seb128 got his gjs ;-)
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted peony-extensions [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu2]
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.417]
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted peony [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu2]
[14:08] <sforshee> Laney: I don't suppose we have a console log for any of these test cases? Given that the kernel config for raspi2 is pretty specific to that hardware it wouldn't surprise me to find that it doesn't work in that environment
[14:08] <Laney> sforshee: it's there at the end of that log
[14:10] <sforshee> Laney: oh so that's all we got. In which case I think we can probably conclude that it's because of not having efi support
[14:10] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I got lucky :)
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-menu (bionic-proposed/universe) [18.04.3-1 => 18.04.3-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
[14:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-themes (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.22.16-1 => 3.22.16-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
[14:17] <sforshee> Laney: if we can get the results associated with the request in update_excuese we would at least be able to hint those
[14:17] <Laney> sforshee: you can force-skiptest anyway
[14:17] <Laney> if it's not supposed to work we probably shouldn't evne trigger those
[14:17] <sforshee> agreed about that
[14:18] <apw> Laney, i think you can only force-skiptest when a result is finished right ?
[14:19] <apw> Laney, and britney thinks these are in flight
[14:19] <Laney> apw: I think you can do it any time
[14:19] <Laney> try it
[14:19] <apw> vorlon:force-badtest linux-raspi2/all linux/all/armhf
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted netplan.io [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.35]
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: youker-assistant (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.2.7-0ubuntu5 => 3.0.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[14:20] <Laney> skiptest
[14:20] <apw> oh, derp, ok will try that
[14:20] <apw> Laney, oh, but that will ignore all of its tests forever going forward right ?
[14:21] <Laney> no it's just for the triggering package/version
[14:35] <Laney> stgraber: wow at that upload :P
[14:35] <Laney> didn't fancy doing a point release?
[14:37] <stgraber> Laney: haha, no, not quite, we have a few more things we'll want in before we tag an actual point release
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (bionic-proposed/main) [0.7.5-1ubuntu14 => 0.7.5-1ubuntu15] (core)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rax-nova-agent (bionic-proposed/main) [2.1.13-0ubuntu2 => 2.1.13-0ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rax-nova-agent [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.1.13-0ubuntu3]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted corosync [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.3-0ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnumeric [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.12.35-1.1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.0-0ubuntu4]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-themes [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.22.16-2ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pacemaker [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.18-0ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-report [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.9]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xubuntu-docs [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-menu [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.3-2ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ostree [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2018.4-2]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox [sync] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.10-dfsg-1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice-dictionaries [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1:6.0.3-3]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mugshot [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.0-0ubuntu1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted youker-assistant [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.32.5] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (trusty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>~14.04 => 2.32.5~14.04] (no packageset)
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (artful-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>+17.10 => 2.32.5+17.10] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:57]  * apw looks at snapd
[14:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-online-accounts (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.28.0-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapcraft (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.41+18.04.1 => 2.41+18.04.2] (no packageset)
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapcraft [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.41+18.04.2]
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-china-weather (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.2.7-0ubuntu1 => 2.2.8-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-menus (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.2-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[15:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: curtin (bionic-proposed/main) [18.1-1-g45564eef-0ubuntu1 => 18.1-5-g572ae5d6-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[15:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dogtag-pki (bionic-proposed/universe) [10.6.0-1 => 10.6.0-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dogtag-pki [source] (bionic-proposed) [10.6.0-1ubuntu1]
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: freeipa (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.7.0~pre1+git20180411-2 => 4.7.0~pre1+git20180411-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipa [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.7.0~pre1+git20180411-2ubuntu1]
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected software-properties [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-online-accounts [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbuild (bionic-proposed/universe) [1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-1 => 1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbuild [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-2]
[17:30] <rbalint> hi, i'm seeking approval of two FFe-s, LP: #1764797 and LP: #1488620
[17:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1764797 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "[FFe] please merge unattended-upgrades 1.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1764797
[17:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1488620 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Add LZ4 support to initramfs-tools" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488620
[17:32] <rbalint> the first one is really critical, the second one is something that got a lot of positive feedback and it would be very nice to have in Bionic
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.0.0-0ubuntu3 => 2:12.0.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[17:46] <slangasek> tsimonq2: your ffmpeg sync is not migrating because it drops libav-tools, which has reverse-dependencies.  Please follow up.
[17:50] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I quickly checked, they are all "recommended"
[17:50] <LocutusOfBorg> can we just ignore the issue?
[17:51] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: are you responding wrt ffmpeg or something else?
[17:53] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: if ffmpeg: p-m does not block on recommends.  Please look at the update_output results, those packages have depends, not recommends.
[18:01] <LocutusOfBorg> yep, found that now, thanks! I was getting off the train
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg> alternate dependencies are fine? e.g. python*-woo
[18:03] <rbalint> slangasek: i'm about to upload FFe-approved fix for LP: #1764220, can i go ahead now?
[18:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1764220 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "[FFe] dpkg zstd support" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1764220
[18:03] <slangasek> rbalint: yes you can
[18:03] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: proposed-migration checks for installability of the package, and does a very reliable job of it
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbuild (bionic-proposed/universe) [1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-2 => 1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbuild [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1:0.1.9998svn3149+dfsg-3]
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.10-dfsg-1 => 5.2.10-dfsg-2] (ubuntu-cloud) (sync)
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-ext-pack (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.10-1 => 5.2.10-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:06] <rbalint> slangasek: thanks, it lands in a few minutes
[18:06] <LocutusOfBorg> bouncing email for maintainer field are RC in debian ^^ I fixed vbox now
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox-ext-pack [sync] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.10-2]
[18:06] <slangasek> rbalint: wrt initramfs-tools, I'm nacking this; it's too late in the cycle, not a critical bug, and doesn't have the same rationale as the dpkg changes for needing to be landed in previous release by GA
[18:07] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ack
[18:07] <rbalint> slangasek: :-(, but ok
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dpkg (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2] (core)
[18:58] <jbicha> slangasek: interested in removing gksu? bug 1740618
[18:58] <ubot5`> bug 1740618 in umit (Ubuntu) "Remove gksu from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740618
[19:05] <slangasek> jbicha: reverse-depends points a finger at peony-extensions which is not in your task list?
[19:07] <slangasek> jbicha: ah, has just been resolved to an NBS; removing
[19:08] <rbalint> slangasek: do you have an opinion on the unattended-upgrades FFe, too?
[19:09] <slangasek> rbalint: sorry, I have it queued up but haven't been able to review it yet (which means my opinion is that I think it should be approved, but I need to read the fine print)
[19:09] <rbalint> slangasek: ok, np, thanks!
[19:15] <fossfreedom> hi - anyone around that can help me diagnose why both the 32bit and 64bit daily Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 is booting straight to the live session - seems to miss the installer
[19:16] <jbicha> fossfreedom: did that happen with the Final Beta also?
[19:16] <slangasek> jbicha: if you believe Debian bug #496448 is sufficient rationale for removal of macchanger-gtk+libui-dialog-perl independent of gksu, can you please open that as a separate bug?  I do not consider a Recommends: on a removed package to be grounds for removal, and solving a Recommends: on a removed package by removing the recommending package doesn't do anything to improve the user's experience
[19:16] <ubot5`> Debian bug 496448 in libui-dialog-perl "libui-dialog-perl: Dialog backend allows execution of arbitrary shell commands (CVE-2008-7315)" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/496448
[19:16] <slangasek> on upgrade
[19:17] <slangasek> fossfreedom: LP: #1763739 and I'm looking into it (currently on xubuntu)
[19:17] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1763739 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[xubuntu, budgie & mate] ISO boots directly to desktop" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1763739
[19:17] <fossfreedom> thanks slangasek
[19:18] <flocculant> fossfreedom: I had seen it - and commented in that on budgie ^^ think I also reported on the tracker against budgie (and mate for the record)
[19:18] <fossfreedom> cheers - much appreciated
[19:20] <slangasek> jbicha: btw, gksu is also seeded in ubuntukylin daily-live despite not having any revdeps there; please follow through on the seed cleanup w/ ubuntukylin team
[19:21] <slangasek> jbicha: hmm or perhaps that's transitive and goes away now that peony-gksu is dropped; n/m
[19:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: leptonlib (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.75.3-2 => 1.75.3-3] (kubuntu) (sync)
[19:33] <jbicha> filed bug 1765178
[19:33] <ubot5`> bug 1765178 in macchanger-gtk (Ubuntu) "Please remove libui-dialog-perl; open security vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765178
[19:35] <teward> is there a listing of the 'queue' of autopkgtests that are queued to run but haven't been run yet?
[19:36] <jbicha> teward: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running
[19:36] <teward> ah, the one page that takes eternity to load for me... which explains why I didn't see this earlier :P
[19:37] <jbicha> it loads much faster when the queue is empty :|
[19:37] <teward> i believe it.  (I'm keeping an eye on all the autopkgtests that nginx 1.14.0-0ubuntu1 triggered for any signs of the weird issue I found that xnox opened a bug about... or failures in general, but I don't think any of the triggers that nginx 1.14.0 set off have been reached yet...)
[19:40] <slangasek> teward: nginx tests are queued behind glibc, because both glibc and nginx hit the threshold where their tests go in the 'large' queue and nginx was uploaded after glibc.  So you can expect to wait a while
[19:41] <teward> indeed.
[19:41] <teward> i'd expect that, but it's just still on my radar nonetheless :)
[19:48] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Is there a way I can find out what other packages I have in proposed?
[19:50] <tsimonq2> (Hm, I wonder if I could hack something up with UDD and launchpadlib?)
[19:50] <slangasek> ¯\(シ)/¯
[19:51] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:51] <tsimonq2> OK :)
[19:52] <nacc> tsimonq2: packages you've uploaded to proposed, you mean?
[19:52]  * tsimonq2 adds to post-release TODO list...
[19:52] <tsimonq2> nacc: Yeah.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Sometimes I lose track.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> (Look at how many packages I upload...)
[19:52] <teward> *hands tsimonq2 a link* does https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+related-packages help?
[19:52] <teward> or rather, https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+uploaded-packages
[19:53] <nacc> the problem is the 'uploaded to' there isn't where it currently is
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tesseract (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.00~git2219-40f43111-1.2 => 4.00~git2288-10f4998a-2] (kubuntu) (sync)
[19:53] <nacc> it's a release name
[19:53] <nacc> but i do think that's roughly what you want
[19:53] <teward> i think that's going to be an issue regardless, though, isn't it?
[19:53] <nacc> tsimonq2: it would be nice to have a slightly more developer-focused view of that, and for +synchronized_packages
[19:53] <nacc> *synchronised
[19:54] <tsimonq2> I can probably query those via launchpadlib and cross-reference each upload with publishing history...
[19:54] <nacc> tsimonq2: i think for each of those, you just need to go into the publishing state
[19:54] <nacc> yeah :)
[19:54] <ginggs> please accept tesseract, needed to fix autopkgtests on ocrmypdf, and leptonlib is a related package with only a CVE fix
[19:54] <nacc> teward: right, i think that's just what laucnhpad web is surfacing, there is more data in the object in lplib (if i had to guess)
[19:56] <tsimonq2> nacc: So, for me that'd be fine. I've only uploaded 289 times. But if I look at e.g. vorlon's page, that gets unmanageable...
[19:56] <nacc> tsimonq2: right, i think you're right on a tool (ubuntu-dev-tools), i was just suggesting starting with bascially the query that produces that page
[19:56] <tsimonq2> I could probably add launchpadlib integration to that fancy p-m script (that's hiding right now!) so I can just query that...
[19:57] <tsimonq2> nacc: Thanks. :)
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnocchi (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.2.0-0ubuntu4 => 4.2.0-0ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnocchi [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.2.0-0ubuntu5]
[20:25] <cjwatson> IMO the best place to surface that information would be in update_excuses
[20:26] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: That has no uploader info.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> But yeah, that's my plan.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> (Parse that then find out who uploaded each.)
[20:26] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: You misunderstand; I'm suggesting that that would be the best place to *add* this information
[20:27] <tsimonq2> Ahh.
[20:29] <slangasek> p-m already does have some concept of this, in order to generate the nag mails
[20:30] <tsimonq2> If someone wants to report a bug and assign it to me, that'd be cool.
[20:31] <tsimonq2> Otherwise I can do so myself, but post-release.
[20:32] <jdstrand> can someone help me look at why all the apparmor autopkgtests are failing? eg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-guide (bionic-proposed/universe) [18.04.3-0ubuntu1 => 18.04.4-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
[20:32] <jdstrand> it has to do with package dependencies not being installable. It isn't clear to me how the failures relate at all to my upload
[20:33] <jdstrand> Depends: apparmor perl (not considered)
[20:33] <jdstrand> hmm
[20:33] <jdstrand> perl was in the mix with that log url
[20:35]  * jdstrand notes all the other autopkgtests that consume apparmor pass, it is just the 'apparmor' autopkgtests fail on every arch
[20:36] <tsimonq2> Perl has not migrated yet.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> It could be that.
[20:37] <jdstrand> maybe... I guess when perl migrates I could retry the tests
[22:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unity-settings-daemon (bionic-proposed/universe) [15.04.1+18.04.20180216-0ubuntu1 => 15.04.1+18.04.20180413-0ubuntu1] (mythbuntu) (sync)
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-initial-setup (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-2ubuntu3 => 3.28.0-2ubuntu4] (ubuntugnome)
[22:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mugshot (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4.0-0ubuntu1 => 0.4.0-1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu) (sync)
[22:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: stress-ng (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.09.24-1 => 0.09.25-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted stress-ng [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.09.25-1]
[22:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: prewikka (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.1.5-1 => 4.1.5-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted prewikka [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.1.5-2]
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-initial-setup (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-2ubuntu3 => 3.28.0-2ubuntu5] (ubuntugnome)
[23:31] <slangasek> eta 40h for the amd64 autopkgtest queue to clear, hmph


[08:38] <davmor2> Morning All
[10:07] <yos> After todays distribution upgrade, I can't use kppp to connect to the internet
[10:14] <davmor2> yos: you might want to let #kubuntu-devel know that
[10:16] <yos> I'm on ubuntu...I just finished filing a bug report
[10:18] <davmor2> yos: out of interest if your on ubuntu why use kppp to connect to the net does network-manager not do it for you?
[10:19] <yos> It is for a broadband dongle that I use for the internet...network manager doesn't work for it
[10:20] <davmor2> yos: hope you file a bug against that?
[10:20] <yos> I did
[10:20] <yos> I used ubuntu-bug to report it
[10:21] <davmor2> yos: I meant the dongle.  Most are supported out of the box
[10:21] <yos> I have two dongles
[10:21] <yos> neither of them work out of the box
[10:22] <davmor2> yos: I have 3 here and they all work
[10:22] <yos> I'm using wvdial right now
[10:22] <davmor2> 1 three, 1 orange and 1 t-mobile
[10:22] <yos> Novatel U727
[10:23] <yos> and the other, Sierra Wireless compass 888
[10:24] <yos> Don't know exactly where to file the bug reports for them.  With network-manager?
[10:29] <davmor2> yos: yes just do lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt with the dongle in and report it as "name-of-dongle 3g dongle doesn't work with network-manager".  or something similar.
[10:31] <yos> lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt didn't do anything
[10:34] <davmor2> yos: you should have a file in the folder your in that is called lspci.txt just attach it to the bug report
[10:35] <yos> I am using ubuntu-bug network-manager to report it now...I will attach that file to it
[10:40] <yos> Where is lspci.txt located?
[10:40] <yos> davmor2, ^^
[10:41] <davmor2> yos: try in your home directory
[10:42] <yos> Ok, found it
[10:45] <yos> Wow, that sent a lot of files with the bug report
[10:45] <davmor2> yos: the lspci -vvnn is useful in that it list the hardware very verbosely and contains all the names including manufacturer etc.  It's a very useful tool when reporting hardware issues
[10:46] <yos> I won't be able to file the report with my other dongle until I can get kppp sorted
[10:48] <davmor2> yos: well when you get chance just do the same thing again only do lspci -vvnn > lspci1.txt
[10:53] <yos> davmor2, thank you; I have made a note of that for future reference
[14:04] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3 how's things
[14:04] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude
[14:04] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy man
[14:04] <cr3> davmor2: same ol', same ol'
[14:04] <davmor2> cr3: don't run live cds they're ummm broken no networking no installer
[14:06] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, but a Real Man doesn't need an installer.  Just a magnet and tweezers.
[14:06] <cr3> davmor2: I tried them yesterday and language pack didn't seem to be installing
[14:06] <davmor2> cr3: No this is crashing ubiquity
[14:07] <cr3> I just whistle modem noises into my oscilloscope and magnetise the disk directly
[14:07] <davmor2> fader_: Yeah but I'm testing it out for losers like you dude ;)
[14:07] <fader_> davmor2: touché
[14:08] <davmor2> fader_: :D
[14:08] <davmor2> I'm assuming that was meant to read touche
[14:09] <davmor2> cr3: alternate seems okay though on a plus note :)
[14:09] <davmor2> moustafa: morning
[14:10] <fader_> davmor2: Nah, it was supposed to read "touché"... not my fault if your font doesn't even support French characters ;)
[14:11] <cr3> davmor2: yeah, just installed it
[14:11] <cr3> thank goodness for that, I need to get some tests working today
[14:11] <moustafa> davmor2: Morning
[14:11] <moustafa> cr3: L-Shape!
[14:12] <moustafa> fader_ : Voici mon passeport!
[14:12] <fader_> moustafa: Je voudrais un croissant.
[14:12] <moustafa> cr3: That's right, he would like a croissant.
[14:12] <cr3> moustafa: line piece
[14:13] <moustafa> cr3: Thou art a vengeful god!
[14:14] <moustafa> For people to get what I anc cr3 are talking about, refer to this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924722
[15:08] <fader_> davmor2: Out of curiosity, are the systems that don't have networking for you broadcom based using the bnx2 driver?
[15:08] <fader_> I just reported bug 494052 against d-i and wonder if it's hitting ubiquity as well
[15:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494052 in debian-installer "bnx2 driver cannot find firmware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494052
[15:08] <davmor2> fader_: no it's onlt the live cd
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: davmor2: network-manager problem> ah, got it; it's a dhcp3-client/apparmor problem; sudo aa-complain dhclient3 fixes it
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: (I got some violations in dmesg)
[15:09] <davmor2> pitti: it stumbles over /rofs again
[15:09] <davmor2> only even
[15:09] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, so networking works for you on the alternate?
[15:09] <davmor2> yeap
[15:10] <fader_> I see... thanks
[15:48] <fagan> hmmmm when should I start upgrade testing
[15:48] <fagan> I was thinking alpha 2
[15:49] <fagan> Any reason I should start earlier?
[15:50] <fagan> Oh and cr3 I can do some regression testing tomorrow (im getting my spare machine back from my dad) could you put the steps to do the tests into a wiki for me?
[15:52] <fagan> mvo: do you have a ppa with new versions of the software center I can test?
[15:56]  * fagan will bring up the upgrade testing at the qa team meeting
[16:02] <fader_> fagan: Good idea about bringing this up at the team meeting; people might have reasons that we need to start earlier
[16:04] <fagan> actually fader_ is there a wiki so I can add it to the agenda?
[16:08] <fagan> ah ill just ask marjo to add it tomorrow at the meeting
[16:08] <mvo> fagan: a ppa with a karmic backport? or for lucid?
[16:09] <fader_> fagan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/
[16:09] <fagan> lucid
[16:09] <fagan> thanks fader_
[16:09] <fader_> fagan: No problem :)
[16:10] <fagan> mvo: lucid
[16:10] <mvo> fagan: ok, lucid is usually very current, i uploaded a new version today
[16:11] <fagan> Yep I got it
[16:11] <fagan> I was just thinking that you might have a more regularly updated ppa
[16:11] <mvo> there is a bzr snapshot ppa too (https://edge.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/+archive/daily-build)
[16:12] <mvo> joerge runs that
[16:12] <fagan> I think ill add that
[16:12]  * fagan likes the bleeding edge
[16:14] <moustafa> Wasn't there a bleeding edge team/ppa for Ubuntu before?
[16:15]  * fagan would be interested in that team
[16:16] <fagan> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge
[16:17] <moustafa> Damn, was about to post the link
[16:17] <moustafa> It's too bad that the lastest package they have is from 2008
[16:17] <fagan> hah
[16:17] <fagan> Well maybe we can revive it
[16:19] <moustafa> That would be interesting.  Although I don't have much experience in terms of packaging, but that can be remedied
[16:19] <fagan> Id like if the developers would upload all of the bleeding edge packages for us
[16:20] <fagan> and we just test them
[16:20] <fagan> So it should be for stuff that really needs testing
[16:20]  * fagan adds it to the qa team meeting so we all can have a say on it
[16:25] <moustafa> Bleeding edge stuff is fun.  I hope the qa team approves
[16:26] <fagan> I was thinking of making it a beginners testing team
[16:27] <fagan> So people can dive in and test the stuff before it gets into the repos
[16:28] <moustafa> Getting the most out of those who want the latest and greatest to be included in the next distro
[16:29] <fagan> thats the idea
[16:54] <soren> Whoo! Graphical installs working in kvm-autotest.
[16:54]  * soren goes to dinner, and will finish the first few steps files off this evening
[18:12] <davmor2> cr3: back dude
[18:14] <cr3> davmor2: man, I've been answering each of your private messages but it seems the netsplit got the best of us
[18:15] <cr3> davmor2: I'm on my way out to lunch, I'll ping you when I return
[18:15] <davmor2> cr3: That's what I assumed that's why I came onto the channel :)(
[18:15] <davmor2> no probs
[21:22] <davmor2> RIght I'm off guys tty tomorrow have a nice night and thanks again cr3 :)
[21:23] <cr3> I wish there were python-o's cereal
[21:27] <fader_> cr3: http://img376.imageshack.us/i/1337cereal070kh7.jpg/ is the closest thing they sell in the stores in Boston
[21:32] <cr3> fader_: they really have that?
[21:32] <cr3> sbeattie: yo, the 500Mb download of the qa-regression-testing suite is causing pain in my datacenters: extremely slow.
[21:33] <cr3> sbeattie: so, I will be extending checkbox-satellite to create a local copy of it as well as the other third party suites so that the systems connected on the network can refer to the local copy instead
[21:34] <sbeattie> that seems reasonable, I think.
[21:34] <cr3> since I use a caching proxy, I thought that would help significantly, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I haven't looked into the reason, maybe bzr sets the no-cache header, not sure
[21:35] <cr3> this makes the setup much more complicated though, but nothing I can't handle in time for alpha-1 (crossing fingers)
[21:35] <cr3> fader_: oatmeal is the sux!
[21:36] <fader_> cr3: that is where I get all my 1337 sk1llz d00d
[21:36] <fader_> All mad crazy downloading my OS and stuff without paying for it
[21:39] <cr3> fader_: instead of a toy, do you get a cd of 0-day warez?
[21:40] <fader_> cr3: The prize in the last box was a bump key
[21:54] <soren> cr3: Dear, oh dear. autotest is a beast.
[21:54] <cr3> soren: yeah, leave that one to me.
[21:54] <soren> cr3: I'm using it right now. The kvm-autotest magic is all intertwined in it.
[21:55] <soren> cr3: autotest itself had 3 or 4 processes running, each consuming 300-400 MB of memory. Doing a server install in a VM at the same time took forever.
[21:56] <cr3> soren: hm, how come it's so intertwined?
[21:58] <soren> cr3: Setting the VM up with all its configuration and stuff is a bit tricky, and then you have to hook up a python script to talk to it. Because it's tricky, there's a script that does it, but it's only runnable by autotest (because autotest does weird, black(!) python magic to work).
[22:00] <cr3> soren: magic is usually not a good thing, do you have this in a bzr tree?
[22:00] <soren> cr3: I'm waiting for the launchpad import to finish.
[22:00] <soren> cr3: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/autotest/trunk
[22:00] <soren> cr3: once that's pulled, I'll push my changes.
[22:00] <soren> Probably tomorrow morning. I need to spend a bit of time with the family.
[22:01] <cr3> soren: yeah man, it's really late, /quit!
[22:01] <soren> I have the first server install test fully automated. It's wicked.
[22:01]  * soren waves goodbye and vanishes
[22:03] <moustafa> well, good evening everyone
[22:03] <moustafa> and squiggily
[22:15] <cr3> pip pip, cheerio


[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[17:00] <kesten>  I've been having kernel panics since upgrading to 13.04.
[17:07] <trism> kesten: 13.04 is supported in #ubuntu now
[17:08] <kesten> thanks.  I did upgrade to 13.10 yesterday.
[17:08] <kesten> only one crash since then.  It was about 6 times a day before that.


[05:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> baizon: welcome :p
[05:49] <baizon> hi
[05:50] <baizon> so chit chat here? :D
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> baizon: we do alot of support, but never have a change to talk really, so here we are
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> baizon: yeah we share some ubuntu news n talk here
[05:50] <baizon> ok
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/17/microsoft_windows_10_upgrade_gwx_vs_humanity/
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ms digging their own grave..
[05:56] <baizon> almost every single person in my company hates windows 10
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> baizon: your company forced to made the upgrade?
[05:56] <baizon> every company is forced :D
[05:56] <baizon> lucky im using ubuntu :D
[05:57] <baizon> lotuspsychje: also related... https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#technology-desktop-operating-system
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[05:57] <dax> we're on Windows 7. was having the discussion the other day about what we're going to do before 2020 (when it goes EOL)
[05:57] <dax> not really sure yet. Win10 is not appealing.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> dax: yeah 7 is best bet right now
[05:58] <baizon> yep, everyone is loving it also in my company
[05:58] <dax> we've done pilots of 8, 8.1, and 10, the only one time 10's done better than 7 is on touchscreens
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu will gain power this year :p
[05:59] <baizon> we will see
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> wait until xenial release, its gonna be a bomb
[06:00] <dax> will it usher in the year of the linux^Wubuntu desktop ;) :P?
[06:00] <baizon> the most promising is the new amd drivers, amdgpu got almost the power as fglrx
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> no more redirecting users to external links
[06:01] <dax> i am happy that AMD is phasing out fglrx, indeed
[06:01] <baizon> im happy that i got an amd card :D
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> + convergenge + new phone models + xenial,etc
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> im on radeon aswell on xenial
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> working like a charm
[06:01] <baizon> yeah me too
[06:01] <baizon> i just have 1 bug i guess
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> wich1?
[06:02] <baizon> grub timeout not working
[06:02] <baizon> i got the 10 sec timeout, even if i disable it
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> it isnt suppose to count by default
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> baizon: did you fresh xenial?
[06:03] <baizon> it is, but i got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/15413190/
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[06:03] <baizon> yep, fresh install
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> im not on my xenial box right now to compare
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> baizon: but i do remember this bug, seen it pass by on other releases aswell
[06:04] <baizon> really? ok
[06:05] <baizon> so ill check it out, because i thought its xenial only
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> dont think its xenial releated
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> we ve seen users struggling with that before
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> something liek this
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1273764
[06:08] <baizon> thanks, well i have to start searching on launchpad :D
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:09] <baizon> indeed, thats the reason, i also have 30_os-prober
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> aha
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> that last guy adds 0.1 to his timeout lol
[06:10] <baizon> well i did the same :D
[06:10] <baizon> best solution :D
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> did it work?
[06:18] <baizon> lotuspsychje: i wont test it :D
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:19] <baizon> i have to restart and im to lazy to do that :D
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:19] <baizon> will watch it on the next boot
[06:19] <baizon> ... after work :P
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme know it fixes later
[06:19] <baizon> ok, will reboot extra for you :P
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> lucky me :p
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> wow that was fast
[06:21] <baizon> lotuspsychje: yep did work :P
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[06:21] <baizon> lotuspsychje: ssd :P
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> wich brand?
[06:21] <baizon> Samsung
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> type?
[06:22] <baizon> Samsung 830
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[06:22] <baizon> but im switching this year
[06:22] <baizon> need 500GB
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> go for the 850 pro :p
[06:22] <baizon> i will ;)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> 10 years warranty
[06:22] <baizon> yep, and MLC
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> i know a server guy that hammered those for weeks 24/7
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> and never been able to break
[06:23] <baizon> yeah, i think Samsung SSDs are the best currently
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> yes they are
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> baizon: you installed preload?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[06:24] <baizon> no, should i?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> yes sir
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> makes it even rocketfaster
[06:25] <baizon> really?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> preloads programs before you start
[06:25] <baizon> just install, or do i need to edit some confs?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> nop just install and reboot (again lol)
[06:26] <baizon> it works for every hard drive right?
[06:26] <baizon> not only ssd
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> i also tweak my fstab for ssd use
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> with the 'relatime' option
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> and swappiness to 10
[06:27] <baizon> ok, thanks will take a look into that
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> im planning to start an ubuntu business laptops/desktops/phones with only 850 pro
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> this year
[06:28] <baizon> =)
[06:33] <baizon> lotuspsychje: why swappiness 10?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> baizon: ssd takes a lot of work over for your system, so default 60 is best change to 10
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> baizon: same for firefox cache, set to 0 so your ssd takes over
[06:38] <baizon> "Ubuntu 8.04 and later uses relatime as default for linux native file systems", so do i need to set it or not?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> baizon: i recommend it yes
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> in your fstab
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> relatime works best for ssd on desktop
[06:39] <baizon> ok let me get into that too
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> baizon: anf tmpfs adds on fstab also
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> lemme find a link for that
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,size=15%,mode=1777 0 0
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults,size=10%,mode=1777 0 0
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/78971/best-etc-fstab-setings-for-boosting-ssd-hdd
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> but for the fstab line itself, no discard just 'relatime'
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> and ubuntu does the auto trim itself, so thats good already
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> youl be like a rocket next reboot :p
[06:43] <baizon> ok swappiness changed
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> great
[06:44] <baizon> but is it also useful to change it on a HDD?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> baizon: the fstab tweaks no
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> better ssd only
[06:45] <baizon> i mean the swappiness
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> swappiness also rather when have an ssd
[06:46] <baizon> ok
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> preload can be used safely for both
[06:47] <baizon> ok
[06:47] <baizon> thanks
[06:48] <baizon> ok work time :D
[06:48] <baizon> see you later guys
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> baizon: cheers
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> add to favs ok
[06:49] <baizon> got it there already ;)
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> wb baizon
[17:05] <baizon> lotuspsychje: changed swappiness to 10, relatime is on by default on ubuntu, so i didnt had to change it
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> really?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> didnt notice on xenial yet
[17:07] <baizon> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15416047/
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> cool tnx
[17:09] <baizon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHevtrA6ZIs
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> lool
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> baizon: is that you?
[17:17] <baizon> lotuspsychje: noooo
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> chuuu chuuu
[17:25] <dax> relatime's been default in Ubuntu since at least 10.04
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> oh really?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> i think ive been tweaking on trusty noatime?
[17:26] <dax> and has been default in the kernel since 2.6.30 so yeah
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> lemme check here
[17:27] <dax> noatime vs. relatime is pretty insignificant performance-wise. i set noatime anyway, but it's not that useful
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ mount | grep sda
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> ./dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> no relatime here
[17:29] <dax> because relatime is part of defaults, so it's not listed explicitly
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> dax: but on xenial now its listed by default then?
[17:30] <dax> i have no idea what xenial does. i imagine it'd show up if you put it in fstab, but not sure
[17:30] <dax> (and that'd be redundant anyway, since it's already set by default)
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> right
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> dax: you wont be knowing where ubuntu stores that exactly?
[17:31] <dax> kernel defaults are stored in-kernel. i don't know how ubuntu generates fstabs.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:31] <dax> but yeah, this has all been irrelevant since linux version 2.6.30 sooooo
[17:32] <dax> yeah, looks like it shows up in mount if relatime's in fstab, i just found a system here that's set up that way
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: but what a bout on ubuntu fstab where it still shows noatime?
[17:32] <dax> noatime's completely different, it's not set by default upstream
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> ok well good when dont need to tune that for ssd then
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> auto trim and auto relatime :p
[17:34] <dax> basically, 1) filesystems have been mounted using relatime by default by linux unless told to do otherwise since 2.6.30, 2) Ubuntu started putting relatime in fstab by default at some point, and this became redundant when ubuntu started using 2.6.30, 3) noatime is infinitessimally better than relatime on normal workloads but seems to work fine for me so i set it anyway
[17:34] <dax> anyways, meeting time in real life, be back later
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> laterz mate
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/owncloud-pi-device-to-run-on-snappy-ubuntu-core-16-04-lts-and-raspberry-pi-3-501904.shtml
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl have a nice weekend
[20:43] <Bashing-om> !uefi
[23:13] <pauljw> hi everyone