[01:15] <somerville32> Hi, there is a bug I reported that is not showing my list of reported bugs
[01:15] <somerville32> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/conquest/+bug/81406
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81406 in conquest "conquest: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Fix released]   - Assigned to MOTU Merge Team (motumergers)
[01:16] <somerville32> is no where to be found on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~cody-somerville/+reportedbugs
[01:19] <ajmitch> somerville32: because it's closed, I'd presume
[01:19] <somerville32> Oh
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81575 in malone "no way to search for absence of a tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81575
[04:25] <poolie_> maybe shipit.launchpad.net should redirect to the real site?
[07:23] <LaserJock> don't kick so hard it breaks though
[07:24] <mpt> It's already broken, afaict
[07:24] <LaserJock> ah, well in that case, use a bigger hammer!
[07:25] <mpt> lifeless, are you able to check that PQM is working as it should? Three hours ago it was working fine, but in the past half hour I've sent four or five requests from two different branches, and none of them have shown up
[07:26] <mpt> lifeless, never mind, the last one has just shown up
[07:26] <mpt> Murphy's Reverse Law works on software, apparently
[07:28] <Bhaskar> i think there is error while downloading po and mo from launchpad now?
[07:29] <Bhaskar> i am not getting any po and mo via launchpad why ?? eror in launchpad server
[07:30] <mpt> Bhaskar, yes, translation exports are not working at the moment, sorry
[07:30] <mpt> Top Men are working on fixing it
[07:30] <Bhaskar> mpt: ok, coz i have urgent
[07:31] <mpt> Bhaskar, it's bug 81278 if you want to track it
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81278 in rosetta "Rosetta PO export is broken" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81278 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[07:31] <Bhaskar> mpt: how long time should i wait ?
[07:32] <mpt> Bhaskar, probably within one or two days
[07:33] <Bhaskar> mpt:why this take long time?
[07:38] <Bhaskar> mpt: if bug are fixed at the moment , pls ping me
[07:39] <LaserJock> Bhaskar: if you subscribe to that bug you'll get notified
[07:40] <Bhaskar> ok
[09:26] <carlos> morning
[09:33] <seb128> hi carlos
[09:33] <carlos> seb128: hi, how's going the sprint?
[09:34] <seb128> carlos: any change about feisty on rosetta yet?
[09:34] <seb128> carlos: good thank you ;)
[09:34] <carlos> seb128: I finished yesterday an optimisation for the opening process
[09:34] <carlos> once Stuart returns next week from vacations, we will do a second opening test
[09:34] <seb128> ok
[11:02] <Bhaskar> still problem in downloading po file in launchpad???
[11:26] <carlos> Bhaskar: we hope it will solved in next hours, once the fix gets into production
[11:27] <Bhaskar> carlos:nice
[02:14] <danilos> matthewrevell: what's the procedure regarding asking for reviews on f-i-f bugs?
[02:15] <matthewrevell> danilos: I'm not actually sure. I'll ask Steve and Kiko
[02:15] <danilos> matthewrevell: I am just asking if we get some priority on them today :)
[02:16] <matthewrevell> danilos: I would have thought so, but tbh I don't know. I'll find out.
[02:16] <danilos> matthewrevell: ok, thanks
[02:29] <kiko> hey matthewrevell
[02:29] <kiko> danilos, you can ask for them on-the-spot
[02:29] <kiko> ask me for instance
[02:29] <matthewrevell> kiko: cool, thanks.
[02:29] <danilos> kiko: ok, I will, as soon as it hits the pending-reviews page with a diff ;)
[02:36] <mpt> SteveA, this week's work has just landed (3rd time lucky)
[02:38] <SteveA> mpt: ok, thought it was landed a while go, but I'll make sure it's rolled out to devpad
[02:38] <SteveA> mpt: thanks
[02:38] <SteveA> um rolled out to beta
[02:41] <cprov> good morning ! I'm very sorry for being absent this morning. I woke up felling really bad (heavy cold, fever, headache), I got better after medication.
[02:56] <effie_jayx> I have a question... what happens when the owner of a team in lauchpad decides not to continue working... and insults lauchpad in his profile ?
[03:01] <salgado> effie_jayx, is that causing trouble to the team members?
[03:02] <carlos> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-79118/full-diff
[03:02] <carlos> kiko: My FiF (one of them)
[03:02] <effie_jayx> salgado, well ... not really sure there... I found it quite nasty and Discurraging... I am a team member ant the owner just says blah this place is not worth it...
[03:02] <effie_jayx> so much of team morale...
[03:03] <salgado> effie_jayx, righ, I see what you mean
[03:03] <carlos> kiko: well, actually, I merged it as trivial.. :-P
[03:03] <carlos> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-81439/full-diff
[03:03] <salgado> effie_jayx, I think the best thing to do would be to create another team and ask people to move to the new one
[03:04] <carlos> kiko: that's the optimisation to copy less rows when opening a new distrorelease for translations
[03:05] <salgado> effie_jayx, then you could contact the people responsible for whatever that team is involved with and ask them to change to the new team
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #35322 in malone "please accept entering a comment without changing something" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35322
[03:06] <effie_jayx> salgado, waht you said was also true...
[03:06] <effie_jayx> salgado, maybe people haven't even checked the guys profile...
[03:07] <kiko> carlos, I'm on the phone, but will check when I'm back
[03:07] <carlos> kiko: ok, thanks
[03:07] <salgado> effie_jayx, could be. maybe you could point it out to them... I'm sure they wouldn't like to be associated in any way with this guy
[03:09] <effie_jayx> salgado, the thing is ... this was supposed to be the alternate team... so that just makes 3 teams for the same goal ... sounds a bit too much
[03:09] <effie_jayx> salgado,  I wouldn't be able to tell you how the first two got formed...
[03:10] <salgado> indeed, that wouldn't be good.
[03:10] <salgado> effie_jayx, the team owner can give away the team to somebody else; maybe you can contact him and ask him to do that?
[03:12] <effie_jayx> ok... That I can do...
[03:12] <effie_jayx> thnx salgado
[03:13] <salgado> if that doesn't work, please talk to us and we'll see what we can do
[03:34] <claude> danilos: if you need testing for #81281, just tell me
[03:46] <danilos> claude: no problem, we are only implementing "[nbsp] " tag at the moment, to work-around problems with firefox
[03:48] <claude> do you mean that if we type [nbsp]  in the string field, it will transform to a non-breaking space in the backend after submitting the string?
[03:56] <danilos> claude: that's right, similar to how [tab]  is working at the moment
[03:56] <danilos> claude: automatic insertion before/after punctuation would depend on language, so it's a bit more work
[04:00] <danilos> claude: would this solve at least part of the problem you are having with French translations?
[04:02] <claude> danilos: yes, indeed
[04:02] <claude> do you also plan to show non-breaking spaces in strings with a special sign, like the bullets for some spaces and arrows for line breaks?
[04:03] <danilos> claude: we'll use "[nbsp] " literally at the moment, we can think of using something else as well; haven't thought about showing an image at all
[04:03] <danilos> carlos: what do you think?
[04:05] <carlos> well
[04:05] <carlos> I think [nbsp]  is the best way, so we are consistent with what the users see and type in
[04:05] <carlos> just like [tab]
[04:06] <claude> ok
[04:07] <claude> anyway it'll be a clear improvement for us
[04:07] <claude> i'm just preparing the next fix-it-friday bug :-)
[04:08] <carlos> :-P
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81681 in rosetta "Show string origin at string level" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81681
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81684 in launchpad-bazaar "vcs-imports fail in the presence of svn:externals" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81684
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81690 in launchpad-support-tracker "Label of 'recently updated  first' sort order is misleading" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81690
[05:02] <glatzor> carlos: hi, have you already read http://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and.html?
[05:03] <carlos> glatzor: hi
[05:03] <carlos> not yet
[05:05] <carlos> wow, it's quite long. I think I will read it when I take a break of current bug fix...
[05:05] <carlos> glatzor: thanks for pointing it to me
[05:06] <glatzor> carlos: I hope that not too many people read it - the lenght is quite disattracting  :)
[05:06] <glatzor> carlos: It was posted to debian-devel
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81692 in malone "Display team emblem on bugs from project contributors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81692
[05:25] <jdong> I was just wondering, how possible would it be for Malone to gain a "complexity" field
[05:26] <jdong> in addition to just priority.....
[05:35] <BjornT> jdong: couldn't you use tags for indicating that? it's quite common to have a 'trivial' tag for bugs that are easy to fix, and it would be possible to have a 'complex' tag as well. do you need anything more fine-grained than that?
[05:36] <jdong> yeah, that'd work, but it's a hack/workaround :)
[05:37] <jdong> by that argument we should just have confirmed, in progress, and fix released tags too :D
[05:38] <LarstiQ> those last three you always touch
[05:38] <LarstiQ> complexity, not so much ime
[05:39] <BjornT>  well, the status is useful cross-project as well, so it's good to have something structured there.
[06:10] <carlos> see you!
[06:28] <kiko> hello there
[06:28] <kiko> does anyone want to talk to me
[06:29] <LarstiQ> kiko: sure
[07:18] <kiko> where is flacoste_lunch
[07:18] <kiko> ah
[07:18] <kiko> eating
[07:28] <flacoste_lunch> kiko: i'm back
[07:29] <kiko> flacoste!!!
[07:29] <flacoste> kiko! you wanted to tell me that you finished reviewing tt-search-all?
[07:29] <kiko> flacoste, me? didn't salgado review that?
[07:30] <flacoste> if you don't have time, i can ask salgado sure
[08:13] <pochu> hey, can anybody take a look of Bug #78885?
[08:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78885 in liferea "no translation template for liferea 1.2 series" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78885
[08:18] <kiko> pochu, was a template uploaded?
[08:19] <pochu> kiko: a user said he tried to upload it, but he couldn't
[08:19] <kiko> and what happened?
[08:20] <pochu> kiko: but Sebastian Drogbe has upload liferea_1.2.4-0ubuntu2
[08:20] <pochu> kiko: I think that user hadn't permissions to upload the .po files
[08:20] <kiko> pochu, whoa, but that's a package. package and upstream translations are separate.
[08:20] <kiko> pochu, maybe. I thought there weren't restrictions on upload
[08:21] <pochu> kiko: liferea (1.2.4-0ubuntu2)
[08:21] <pochu>     *  debian/rules:
[08:21] <pochu>           o  Call intltool-update -p to generate translation template for Rosetta
[08:21] <pochu>              (Ubuntu: #78885)
[08:21] <pochu> not sure what that means
[08:21] <somerville32> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/doodle/0.6.6-2ubuntu1 <-- Can someone look at this?
[08:21] <pochu> and if it solves the problem
[08:21] <somerville32> The changelog isn't the same as the one I uploaded
[08:22] <kiko> somerville32, what is different?
[08:22] <kiko> we actually reconstruct them though
[08:23] <somerville32> kiko: My name is under the debian changes too
[08:23] <kiko> somerville32, yeah, it's a known bug and it sucks
[08:23] <kiko> but it's kinda hard to fix
[08:23] <somerville32> ok
[08:35] <pochu> kiko: so what do you think about liferea and the template for 1.2?
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81714 in launchpad "Delete malicious comment(s)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81714
[08:35] <kiko> pochu, I think whoever tried to upload it should come talk to me or file a bug
[08:36] <kiko> danilos, do you know anything about lifearea translations?
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81716 in launchpad "Display implicit team memberships on the person overview page" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81716
[08:54] <danilos> kiko: liferea seems to have entered main only with feisty (there's already a bug on it)
[08:54] <danilos> kiko: some translator tried to upload template I think
[08:56] <pochu> danilos: you are right, but they couldn't
[08:56] <pochu> danilos: bug 78885
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78885 in liferea "no translation template for liferea 1.2 series" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78885
[08:57] <danilos> pochu: we don't allow translators to upload templates, and they will be imported automatically once feisty is open for translation
[08:57] <danilos> pochu: we require only product maintainers or ubuntu packages to provide templates, so we avoid lost and unused work
[08:57] <pochu> danilos, oh, thanks, didn't know
[08:58] <danilos> pochu: hum, I thought I responded on that bug
[08:59] <danilos> pochu: there was probably a mail thread on it as well
[09:34] <pochu> danilos: liferea is in main, so if I talk to the developer and he wants liferea to be translated in rosetta, will you upload the template?
[09:37] <kiko> danilos, why isn't liferea already available to translate as an ubuntu package?
[09:42] <LaserJock> yeah, that's kinda odd
[10:05] <aa_> hi, where should bugs reports against beta.launchpad.net go?
[10:06] <flacoste> aa_: file them against the launchpad product
[10:06] <flacoste> say in the description that it is about the 1.0 ui
[10:06] <aa_> flacoste: and I should search there to see if the bug has already reported?
[10:07] <flacoste> yes
[10:08] <aa_> ok
[10:22] <aa_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/81739 if anyone is interested
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81739 in launchpad "Popup menu on the top navigation bar is garbled in 1.0 UI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:22] <aa_> have a nice day, and nice work
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81739 in launchpad "Popup menu on the top navigation bar is garbled in 1.0 UI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81739


[00:07] <airurando> home from the release party and knackered.
[00:07] <airurando> small turn out but good fun.
[10:56] <ronanherr> Where can I see previous meeting minutes?
[10:57] <moylan> a good question.  they are logged by mootbot i believe.  will check the wiki.  that might have the answer.
[10:58] <moylan> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[11:18] <ronanherr> Thanks for that. I upgraded to 11.04 lastnight, finding the wifi a touch flakey and a bit difficult to access prefs and administration functions through unity
[11:18] <moylan> logs are mixed in with the normal logs.  last meeting was 2001-04-20
[11:18] <moylan> no worries.  it was nice to learn myself in case i need it in the future.  hoping to get 11.04 up and going over the weekend.  fingers crossed.
[11:22] <daxroc> Morning
[11:23]  * daxroc crys upgraded to 11.04, dual head broken seems it's not working for a lot of people ffs
[11:23] <moylan> i meant 2011 of course not 2001.  doh!
[11:44] <airurando> ronanher: hi
[11:44] <airurando> April meeting logs at:
[11:46] <airurando> loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/51/detail
[11:47] <airurando> Also on the wiki
[11:48] <airurando> Which can be accessed through ubuntu-ie.org
[12:10] <airurando> *ronanherr: apologies for mispelling your nick earlier
[12:57] <ronanherr> No problem airurando, I'm pretty new to this, haven't used irc before. I'll have a look through the minutes .... There are a couple of areas I'm partcularly interested in: education, cloning and use of FOSS in public sector
[14:56] <daxroc> Man this upgrade is far below standard!
[16:09] <ronanherr> Its take a while doesn't it?
[22:52] <infoturtle> anyone install natty and have booting problems to other OS's?
[22:53] <moylan> just an aside infoturtle.  thethomaseffect was looking for you earlier in the week.
[22:54] <infoturtle> he was on over the weekend and I pm him, I'll talk to him once I see him again
[22:55] <moylan> i told him to tweet you but he said it wasn't that urgent.
[22:55] <infoturtle> ok so, take it he didn't say what t was about?
[22:56] <moylan> no.  just passing on that he said he was looking for you.  it be nice if we had something like jibbybot to pass messages in irc.
[22:56] <infoturtle> thats cool, thanks for passing it on!!


[12:00] <mokmeister> Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone!
[14:14] <infoturtle> I love these drink all day day's! Booze, BBQ & rugby. What more is needed?


[00:40] <pleia2> DJones: it doesn't seem to be hosted by canonical, they're just doing DNS
[00:41] <pleia2> DJones: maybe submit a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu/+bugs
[00:44] <pleia2> I also gave ruben a nudge or twitter
[00:44] <pleia2> s/or/on
[07:54] <DJones> pleia2: Thanks for that
[08:01] <DJones> Submitted as a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu/+bug/1243572
[15:28] <Thalheim> hi, is there anyone I can contact regarding the ubuntu paste website's functionality?
[15:45] <jose> Thalheim: what's happening with it? to see where can we redirect it
[15:46] <Thalheim> jose, I was speaking with Spads about it already.
[15:46] <jose> oh right, just saw that :)
[23:42] <pleia2> DJones: all fixed! thanks for mentioning it :)


[06:30] <jyo> Hey rww
[06:30] <rww> hey! let me see if I can find that mailing list post I mentioned.
[06:30] <jyo> thanks!
[06:34] <rww> heh, the one I'm thinking of is from back when I thought uploading to keyservers directly was a reasonable idea; try http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/scale-8x-pgp-keysigning-party.html#after_party instead, ignoring the event-specific stuff.
[06:35] <rww> except instead of importing a keyring you'd do gpg --recv-keys keyidhere
[06:35] <pleia2> http://www.phillylinux.org/keys/terminal.html is the one we used at plug
[06:35] <pleia2> w/ http://www.phillylinux.org/keys/terminal.html#after
[06:35] <rww> pleia2's looks nicer
[06:36] <rww> the one I linked has a utility that'll do it for you semi-automatically, but it's probably not useful for the small number of people today
[06:40] <jyo> Thanks y'all!
[07:03] <jyo> pleia2: So the export step.. am I exporting it to stdout or an actual file?
[20:37] <pleia2> jtatum: do you know who is running the san jose hour tonight?
[20:45] <jtatum> pleia2: I do not, sorry :(
[20:45] <jtatum> if needed I can head over there
[20:45] <pleia2> never saw any announcements about it so I wanted to make sure it was still on before we tweet it :)
[20:46] <jtatum> i would assume nub but … dunno. he doesn't have reliable Internet at the moment.
[20:47] <pleia2> yeah, usually he at least rsvps himself, didn't this time so I'm wondering
[20:48] <jtatum> registered
[20:48] <pleia2> haha, ok, well if you'll be there I'll go ahead and tweet it :)


[18:52] <sadmac2> Keybuk: howgoezit?
[18:55] <Keybuk> sadmac2: slowly
[18:56] <sadmac2> Keybuk: what are you up against?
[18:57] <Keybuk> lack of time
[18:57] <sadmac2> what still needs doing?
[18:59] <Keybuk> all of the ipc work
[19:01] <sadmac2> anything you could hand off? I have plenty of time right now.
[19:02] <Keybuk> not unless you've already figured out how to write bindings with libnih-dbus? :)
[19:03] <sadmac2> is it difficult to pick up?
[19:03] <Keybuk> not especially
[19:03] <sadmac2> well then I may as well give it a shot
[19:05] <sadmac2> where should I pull from?
[19:06] <Keybuk> trunk
[19:06] <Keybuk> of both upstart and libnih
[19:06] <Keybuk> there's various notes in the irc logs of what we want to end up with
[19:07] <Keybuk> also will need a signed copy of http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/CopyrightAssignment
[19:07] <Keybuk> assuming you're at RH now, probably by line manager or someone authorative?
[19:07] <sadmac2> interesting point. hmm...
[19:22] <Keybuk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~keybuk/upstart/trunk/revision/scott%40netsplit.com-20080508182154-90pnmwt4j18ryzhk?start_revid=scott%40netsplit.com-20080508182154-90pnmwt4j18ryzhk
[19:22] <Keybuk> \o/
[19:23] <Keybuk> ^ big milestone push
[19:23] <sadmac2> Keybuk: aand launchpad is being slow
[19:23] <sadmac2> ok
[19:24]  * sadmac2 goes to rebase or whatever you bzr people call it
[19:26] <Keybuk> "update" :)
[19:26] <Keybuk> (or pull if you branched instead of checked out)
[19:26] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I did "merge" and that seemed to get it
[19:26] <Keybuk> that works too
[19:27] <sadmac2> what's the difference between branch and checkout?
[19:27] <Keybuk> a branch is your own personal branch
[19:27] <Keybuk> any changes you make remain on your machine until you push them somewhere
[19:27] <Keybuk> a checkout is exactly like that, but any changes you make are pushed back to where you branched from
[19:27] <Keybuk> ie. it's the subversion/cvs model of working
[19:28] <Keybuk> whereas branch is the distributed model
[19:28] <sadmac2> ah
[19:28]  * sadmac2 likes branch
[19:28] <Keybuk> the nice thing being that if the push fails, the commit need not
[19:28] <Keybuk> so you can work centrally, and get on a plane, and carry on committing
[19:28] <Keybuk> when you have a connection again, you just merge in everyone else's changes, and push and rebind
[19:28] <Keybuk> I don't tend to checkout much myself
[19:29] <Keybuk> I tend to use branch/pull/push
[19:29] <Keybuk> even if I'm the only person with write access to the pull/push location
[19:29] <Keybuk> since then I can stage pushes
[19:29] <sadmac2> yes. I'm young enough and avant garde enough that git marks the vast majority of my version control experience.
[19:29] <Keybuk> heh
[19:29] <Keybuk> I dislike git strongly
[19:29] <Keybuk> well
[19:29] <Keybuk> it appears to dislike me strongly
[19:29] <Keybuk> it vastly overcomplicates things which should be simple
[19:30] <sadmac2> I havent' found such
[19:30] <sadmac2> you should try this 'eg' thing though. people seem to like it
[19:32]  * Jc2k has had a bad git experience today
[19:32] <Keybuk> eg?
[19:33] <sadmac2> Keybuk: "easy git." Its a little wrapper layer that's got a lot of people very pleased
[19:33] <sadmac2> Jc2k: what was it?
[19:33]  * Jc2k won't be ready to try playing with git again for a while
[19:33] <Keybuk> sadmac2: but bzr already does everything I need without any wrappers ;)
[19:33] <Jc2k> the amount of effort to add a new repository
[19:33] <Keybuk> and I know where the author lives, and haven't popped round to stab him in the face
[19:33] <Keybuk> this, to me, is a great achievement in revision control systems ;)
[19:34] <Jc2k> with bzr i just pushed to sftp (also a location http can see)
[19:34] <Keybuk> "Hi Scott, my name's Brian, I'm one of the authors of subver*ARRRRGH MY EYEE!!!!*"
[19:34] <sadmac2> Keybuk: as originally intended, it wouldn't be fair to compare git and bzr, any more than it would be fair to compare sysvinit and libnih
[19:34] <Jc2k> with git, i have to run git-update-this and add hooks so that git-update-that gets called every commit and...
[19:34] <sadmac2> git was a filesystem. it was never meant to be left on its own
[19:34] <sadmac2> this has become far less true
[19:34] <sadmac2> Jc2k: don't use webdav
[19:34] <Keybuk> sadmac2: git was always intended to be a revision control system ;)
[19:35] <sadmac2> Jc2k: stick to the custom daemon
[19:35] <sadmac2> Keybuk: it was not intended to be interacted with by the user directly
[19:35] <Keybuk> sadmac2: sure it was
[19:35] <Keybuk> where the user == Linus
[19:35] <Jc2k> sadmac2: i was meant to be quickly throwing some repos up so that the upstream debian maintainer of my ubuntu synce packages got some fixes
[19:35] <Keybuk> but then other people realised that Linus is quite, quite mad
[19:35] <Keybuk> and wrapped it with friendlier things
[19:35] <Jc2k> sadmac2: it took 4 attempts before he could finally access them.
[19:36] <Keybuk> and claimed that it was never intended to be unwrapped in the first place
[19:36] <sadmac2> Jc2k: using which method? webdav or git-daemon?
[19:37] <Keybuk> git reminds me a lot of arch
[19:37] <Keybuk> I think it's the first distributed revision control system that people try
[19:37] <Jc2k> sadmac2: does bog standard http really qualify as webdav? but yes, webdav. because i excpected it to be as simple as bzr.
[19:38] <Keybuk> and they fall in love with the idea of DVCS so much, and think it's so awesome, that they'll apologise for any user interface problems
[19:38] <sadmac2> Jc2k: webdav is not the way to do it.
[19:38] <sadmac2> Jc2k: use the git-daemon
[19:38] <Keybuk> what hg and bzr have shown is that you can do DVCS, and still have a simple client that largely does the right thing
[19:38] <Jc2k> sadmac2: i started working to set that up
[19:38] <Keybuk> without exposing its inner workings
[19:39] <Keybuk> it's still distributed, it's still awesome, but it feels less like having a spike pushed through your testicles
[19:40] <Jc2k> sadmac2: if i use git-daemon, do i still have to log on to the server, create a new repo, poke things into its hooks, ln it to /var/cache/git and such?
[19:41] <sadmac2> log on/create I believe still apply. The rest shouldn't
[19:41] <Jc2k> so i'll still be using bzr when i quickly want to share a branch.
[19:42] <Keybuk> bzr push sftp://hostname/home/scott/public_html/some-branch
[19:42] <Keybuk> ;)
[19:42] <sadmac2> Jc2k: remember: 1 git repo => many branches
[19:42] <Jc2k> Keybuk: doesn't it support ~ these days?
[19:42] <Keybuk> yeah probably
[19:42] <sadmac2> Jc2k: its a once-per-project operation, not once-per-branch
[19:42] <Keybuk> sadmac2: ssh hostname bzr init-repo public_html/bzr
[19:42] <Keybuk> bzr push sftp://hostname/home/scott/public_html/bzr/some-branch
[19:43] <Keybuk> (in fact, you can probably just init-repo the sftp url ;p)
[19:43] <sadmac2> Jc2k: and if you quickly want to share a branch, why on the server? Just share it off your own damn box like it was designed for
[19:43] <Jc2k> sadmac2: generally behind NAT
[19:43] <sadmac2> Jc2k: good point
[19:44] <sadmac2> that is one area where bzr is just better. Git's almost TOO distributed. The idea of ANY centralization was an afterthought. hence the trouble.
[19:44] <Keybuk> I've never seen anywhere that git is more distributed than bzr?
[19:44] <Keybuk> bzr's repository model was just designed from scratch to be flexible
[19:45] <Keybuk> any bzr repository is a branch someone can take
[19:45] <Keybuk> bzr branch ~someoneelse/work/foo  -- will take a branch from their last committed change
[19:45] <sadmac2> Keybuk: well its more a mindset question than anything. The idea of a central git repo just didn't occur to anyone until late in the game
[19:46] <Keybuk> hell, the only difference between bzr branch and cp -a is that bzr branch doesn't take the .o files with it ;)
[19:46] <Jc2k> and the level of integration from bzr-svn astounds me
[19:46] <sadmac2> Remember, Linus doesn't even necessarily think there should be a single convergence point.
[19:46] <Jc2k> i'm a little surprised there isn't a bzr-git, but i don't think there is someone who wants to use both
[19:47] <Keybuk> there is?
[19:47] <suihkulokki> sadmac2: is there actually any project where developers push/pull biderectionally from each others? there allways seems to be a central repository in projects ive been at.
[19:47] <Jc2k> Keybuk: but its not like bzr-svn, is it? last time i looked it wasn't as feature complete..
[19:47] <suihkulokki> s/any project/any git project/
[19:47] <Keybuk> it's not as complete, no?
[19:48] <sadmac2> suihkulokki: Red Hat does it that way internally. When you pull in here, usually its coming directly from a folder in someone's NFS home
[19:49] <suihkulokki> sadmac2: we tried to do that to a relatively small project and the repo was messed in not time..
[19:51] <sadmac2> suihkulokki: we've been doing it without issues for all of IT for awhile now
[19:52] <Keybuk> heh, we just don't use revision control ;)
[19:53] <Keybuk> the debian archive system is kinda like a primitive rcs in of itself
[19:54] <sadmac2> One claim bzr made that's bugged me: They said on their webpage "bzr never commits a merge automatically, which is safer if it breaks things"
[19:54] <sadmac2> WHO CARES?
[19:54] <sadmac2> Without autocommit: git reset HEAD With autocommit: git reset HEAD^
[19:55] <sadmac2> the workflow is nearly identical
[19:55] <Keybuk> sadmac2: it's just the CVS model
[19:55] <Keybuk> bzr merge ... bzr commit
[19:55] <Keybuk> svn follows the same pattern
[19:56] <Keybuk> anyhoo, skating time
[19:56] <Keybuk> bbl
[19:56] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I'm not saying its worse, its totally fine. but they go screaming for 20 minutes "git is unsafe because it does this!"
[21:17] <sadmac2> Keybuk: so basically these NihDBusInterface[] arrays need to be populated with whatever self-evident handlers
[21:17] <sadmac2> (which in turn need to exist)
[21:20] <sadmac2> Which is the real Keybuk ?
[21:29] <Keybuk> well, that pretty much confirms that it's just FreeNode that this hotel hates
[21:30] <sadmac2> heh
[21:31] <sadmac2> Keybuk: so what I'm gathering from the source here is that we have manager_interfaces[] and job_class_interfaces[] which need to be populated with appropriate handlers
[21:31] <Keybuk> pretty much
[21:31] <Keybuk> the handlers are all autogenerated though
[21:31] <sadmac2> ah yes. the magical mystery python script
[21:32] <Keybuk> crap, wrong button
[21:32] <sadmac2> heh
[21:32] <Keybuk> sadmac2: did you get the trunk libnih and upstart to build ok?
[21:33] <sadmac2> Keybuk: haven't built 'em. I'll want to build them under F9 at home I think
[21:33] <sadmac2> (Work box is RHEL 5)
[21:33] <Keybuk> ah right
[21:34] <Keybuk> wanted to see whether it worked ok
[21:34] <Keybuk> I added some compiler flags ;)
[21:34] <sadmac2> meh. I have a compiler. I can build it for the sake of building it
[21:34] <sadmac2> lets do this
[21:34] <Keybuk> :)
[21:34] <Keybuk> add CPPFLAGS=-DDEBUG
[21:35] <sadmac2> ../libnih/nihify
[21:35] <Keybuk> yeah, well
[21:35] <Keybuk> configure libnih
[21:35] <Keybuk> then nihify upstart
[21:35] <Keybuk> then configure and build upstart
[21:37] <sadmac2> aaand stopped
[21:37] <sadmac2> Autoconf version 2.61
[21:37] <sadmac2> :(
[21:37] <sadmac2> don't have that in 5
[21:38] <Keybuk> heh
[21:38] <Keybuk> why's the work box so out of date?
[21:38] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its RHEL.
[21:38] <sadmac2> The customers seem to prefer things this way
[21:39] <sadmac2> ...I could grab the f9 package out of koji....
[21:39] <Keybuk> that's the latest release of RHEL?! :)
[21:39] <Keybuk> what is it?! Debian?! :p
[21:40] <AlexExtreme> RHEL releases are eons apart
[21:40] <Keybuk> how do you build stuff on there?
[21:41] <sadmac2> Keybuk: anything we're shipping builds with the versions available. Anything customers want to build themselves isn't within our direct support ring and they need to talk to the people that wrote it.
[21:44] <Keybuk> yeah, but how do you develop for fedora on RHEL?
[21:45] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I don't. I've been in sysadmin positions until... well two weeks from now
[21:45] <sadmac2> the fedora stuff has been free time
[21:46] <sadmac2> (which I have a lot of since the department I'm in now doesn't have much work for me)
[21:46] <Keybuk> ahh right
[21:46] <Keybuk> work != RH
[21:46] <Keybuk> ?
[21:46] <sadmac2> Keybuk: also ssh
[21:46] <sadmac2> Keybuk: yeah, I work at RH. I was an IT release engineer, now I'm engineering operations.
[21:46] <Keybuk> oh, got you
[21:47] <sadmac2> the former was mostly scripting, the latter consisted of lifting heavy objects and bolting them to high places.
[21:48] <Keybuk> :-)
[21:51] <sadmac2> I have to go dig up the 0.3.9 source so I can remember what all this stuff did
[21:53] <Keybuk> which stuff? :)
[21:53] <sadmac2> jusw what messages need to be responded to.
[21:53] <sadmac2> s/jusw/just
[21:54] <Keybuk> most of it probably won't be a 1:1 mapping
[21:55] <sadmac2> yeah.
[21:55] <sadmac2> Where is the script that does the autogenerating?
[21:56] <Keybuk> in libnih
[21:56] <sadmac2> ahh. was looking for green in ls
[22:12] <sadmac2> ahh, and my favoritest part about RHEL 5
[22:12] <sadmac2> Python 2.4.3
[22:17] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Your script keeps saying "Name may ot be null"
[22:17] <sadmac2> where do I put the name? I tried an attribute, I tried a tag...
[22:19] <sadmac2> nvm. I get it now
[22:59] <Keybuk> it's just d-bus introspect format as input
[23:00] <sadmac2> ah
[23:00]  * sadmac2 should RTFM on dbus
[23:01] <Keybuk> heh
[23:01] <Keybuk> I wish there was a d-bus style guide
[23:01] <Keybuk> like what should the primary interface be?
[23:02] <Keybuk> if it's /com/ubuntu/Upstart
[23:02] <Keybuk> should the interface be com.ubuntu.Upstart
[23:02] <Keybuk> or com.ubuntu.Upstart.Manager
[23:02] <Keybuk> or com.ubuntu.Upstart.Server
[23:02] <Keybuk> etc.
[23:03] <sadmac2> if either of the later two, what would the first then mean?
[23:04] <Keybuk> you'd just have one?
[23:04] <Keybuk> davidz services seem to use Manager
[23:04] <Keybuk> hughsie services seem to just use the dotted version of the path
[23:05] <sadmac2> It just seems to me that if com.ubuntu.Upstart is a valid option it should either be it, or it should be something with some sort of ownership relation to com.ubuntu.Upstart.{Manager,Server,whatever}
[23:06] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[23:06] <Keybuk> as in you get from one to the other?
[23:07] <sadmac2> when I see com.ubuntu.Upstart.Manager, the relationship, to me, reads com.ubuntu.Upstart HAS A Manager
[23:08] <sadmac2> if something can HAVE A other thing, that implies that there is something doing the having, which suggests one could interact with com.ubuntu.Upstart directly
[23:09] <sadmac2> so what interface does com.ubuntu.Upstart present? and if none, why?
[23:10] <Keybuk> yeah that's my thinking too
[23:10] <Keybuk> the /com/ubuntu/Upstart object should have the com.ubuntu.Upstart interface
[23:10] <Keybuk> which allows you to do things like get jobs (com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job interface), etc.
[23:12] <sadmac2> plus Server kind of nods at an implementation detail, and Manager is a -er classname, which I have pages of angry rants about
[23:13] <Keybuk> ok, no -ers :p
[23:13] <sadmac2> Its fun to program in java when you have that disposition :)
[23:13] <sadmac2> BufferedStreamReader *shudder*
[23:19] <Keybuk> ;)
[23:22] <Keybuk> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/scott/co/upstart/init'
[23:22] <Keybuk> ../nih/nih-dbus-tool \ --mode=object --prefix=control --output=com.ubuntu.Upstart_object.c ../dbus/com.ubuntu.Upstart.xml
[23:23] <Keybuk> schweet
[23:23] <Keybuk> actually I should s/_object// for those
[23:24] <Keybuk> that was only for the test suite
[23:24] <sadmac2> yea
[23:25] <sadmac2> anything in that Upstart file yet?
[23:30] <Keybuk> not yet
[23:32] <sadmac2> hm. I'll see if I can populate it tonight
[23:32] <sadmac2> local lug meeting is in 1/2 hour downstairs. I'll probably be going to that.
[23:40] <sadmac2> Keybuk: did you ever integrate that RPM patch I sent?
[23:51] <Keybuk> err, which patch was that
[23:51] <Keybuk> I thought I did
[23:51] <sadmac2> Keybuk: it just added code to where you were ignoring .dpkg files to ignore some of rpm's weird things
[23:51] <Keybuk> hmm, not on this PC
[23:51] <Keybuk> let me commit that now
[23:52] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I don't know where it would be in the new design
[23:52] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I can't find even the dpkg stuff
[23:52] <Keybuk> same place
[23:53] <Keybuk> what was the ;[abcdefABCDEF0123456789] thing fabout?
[23:54] <sadmac2> Keybuk: when rpm first puts a file down on the system, it puts it into place with a ;<some hex> appended to it. Then when everything is laid out, it moves them to the right name
[23:54] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its an atomicity thing
[23:54] <ion_> keybuk: I find com.ubuntu.Upstart nice.
[23:54] <Keybuk> ah right
[23:55] <ion_> So just ignore files with semicolons in addition to files with dots?
[23:55] <Keybuk> ion_: we don't ignore files with dots anymore
[23:56] <sadmac2> ion_: its ignoring files with ;<hex num>. I was able to match the pattern fairly simply
[23:56] <Keybuk> the matching is somewhat smarter
[23:56] <ion_> Oh, ok.
[23:56] <Keybuk> wing-commander upstart% dbus-send --system --dest=com.ubuntu.Upstart --type=method_call --print-reply /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart.GetJobByName string:"foo"
[23:56] <Keybuk> method return sender=:1.1567 -> dest=:1.1571 reply_serial=2 object path "/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/foo"
[23:56] <Keybuk> \o/
[23:56] <ion_> Btw, now that Fedora is going the Upstart way, will Red Hat follow? Sorry for my ignorance, but i have no idea how Fedora and Red Hat relate to each other nowadays.
[23:56] <sadmac2> This calls for an image macro
[23:57] <sadmac2> ion_: The rule was "Every 3rd fedora release becomes a RHEL" which would have meant f9 -> RHEL 6, but customers aren't really demanding a new version, so we'll probably wait.
[23:57] <sadmac2> ion_: but yes, the next RHEL fork will almost certainly pick up Upstart
[23:57] <ion_> Alright, nice.
[23:57] <Keybuk> when is f9 out?
[23:58] <sadmac2> Keybuk: days. there may be a gold version floating about now
[23:58] <Keybuk> cool
[23:59] <sadmac2> Not topical, but:
[23:59] <sadmac2> http://people.fedoraproject.org/~sadmac/hula.jpg
[23:59] <sadmac2> And now to LUG. l8r


[01:48] <lfaraone> manusheel: please ask ishan to respond to comments from upstream on bug 617805 (SugarLabs: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2285) and to attach his new patch to the SL bug.
[01:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617805 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Bar at the bottom of the window displays 'xephyr on' instead of sugar (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617805
[14:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir.
[14:46] <dfarning> kandarpk, good morning how are you.
[14:46] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[14:46] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am doing good. How are you doing ?
[14:47] <dfarning> kandarpk, good, what are you working on today?
[14:47] <kandarpk> dfarning: will be working on TA bug.
[14:48] <dfarning> kandarpk, how are you coming with SL#2087
[14:49] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am not able to install sugar-jhbuild on debian
[14:49] <dfarning> kandarpk, what as the problem?
[14:49] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll paste the error in a minute
[14:52] <dfarning> kandarpk, I thin that you might have had a type the package you were looking for exists in debian
[14:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: that was resolved.
[14:53] <dfarning> kandarpk, nice another problem:)
[14:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: getting this error while "./sugar-jhbuild build"
[14:55] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489817/
[14:57] <dfarning> kandarpk, press 2 you will need to do this a couple of times as hulahop and pippy are screwed up on debian and ubuntu.
[14:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: yeah, was getting the same for pippy
[14:57] <dfarning> kandarpk, no need to worry pippy and browse just won't work:(
[15:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: on running "./sugar-jhbuild run sugar-emulator"
[15:01] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489826/
[15:02] <kandarpk> dfarning: the emulator just flashes and closes
[15:06] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you ask sible on #sugar-newbies he maintains sugar-jhbuild -- I think you might be the first person to try to use in on debain:)
[15:06] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok
[15:09] <dfarning> kandarpk, I am torn between running sugar-jhbuild on as many platforms as possible and sticking with what we know works....
[15:09] <dfarning> kandarpk, on the other hand sugar on debian is important.
[15:10] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm, in the long run, we will like sugar-jhbuild to be running on debian
[15:12] <dfarning> kandarpk, +1. so see what you can do please. but if it starts too much time lets look at other options
[15:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: on trying to run the emulator I was getting
[15:12] <kandarpk> too much ti
[15:12] <kandarpk> ImportError: No module named apport.fileutils
[15:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: ^^
[15:13] <kandarpk> $ sudo apt-get install python-apport
[15:13] <kandarpk> Reading package lists... Done
[15:13] <kandarpk> Building dependency tree
[15:13] <kandarpk> Reading state information... Done
[15:13] <kandarpk> Package python-apport is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[15:13] <kandarpk> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[15:14] <kandarpk> is only available from another source
[15:14] <kandarpk> E: Package python-apport has no installation candidate
[15:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, I don't think apport is avail on debian.... it is specific to ubuntu.
[15:15] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes, thats true
[15:15] <kandarpk> dfarning: I tried to install apport from the source tarball, but that too failed
[15:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, when sible get back he will understand the problem.  It looks like a series of failures.
[15:18] <dfarning> kandarpk, are you working from a clean sugar-jhbuild checkout? of have you modified the code somehow?
[15:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm
[15:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: I tried git pull git.sl....
[15:19] <kandarpk> dfarning: that gave master upto date
[15:19] <kandarpk> dfarning: and then "./sugar-jhbuild build -n -a --clean", so everything should be clean
[15:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, try deleting the entire sugar-jhbuild/sources dir and rerun ./sugar-jhbuild build -n -a --clean
[15:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok
[15:21] <dfarning> kandarpk, it might take forever:( to download everything again... but it gives a clean starting porint for debugging.
[15:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489836/
[15:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: deleted source directory before running this
[15:23] <dfarning> kandarpk, try 6
[15:24] <dfarning> kandarpk, hmmm or you might have to run ./sugar-jhbuild update berfore building
[15:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: hmmm
[15:26] <dfarning> dipankar, good morning.
[15:26] <dipankar> dfarning, good morning
[15:27] <dfarning> dipankar, what are you working on today?
[15:28] <dfarning> dipankar, do you see the review by sascha at http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-September/026618.html
[15:28] <dipankar> dfarning, I am still working on the patch :(. Seems like it will take some time
[15:31] <dfarning> dipankar, it takes time and experience.... Please forget about async.  that is _not_ a tar pit you want to fall into:(  that fix need to happen at a lower level.
[15:40] <kandarpk> dfarning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489849/
[15:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, try deleting the entire sugar-jhbuild dir and recloning it:(
[15:41] <kandarpk> dfarning: :(
[15:42] <kandarpk> dfarning: just downloaded 40 MB after deleting the source directory
[15:43] <dfarning> kandarpk, yah sugar-jhbuild is really unstable.... marco has mentioned rewriting it but has not gotten to it yet.
[15:48] <kandarpk> dfarning: cloning fresh jhbuild now.
[16:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: sugar-jhbuild is running successfully on debian
[16:23] <kandarpk> after fresh clone
[16:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am getting "Enter password to unlock your login keyring" in the sugar-emulator
[16:23] <dfarning> kandarpk, great...
[16:23] <kandarpk> why is it asking for it ?
[16:24] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes that is a new feature... it will eventually allow us to use  sugar on multiuser envirnments.
[16:24] <dfarning> kandarpk, it is asking for your user password.
[16:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok
[16:42]  * dipankar is away: Be Right Back
[16:50] <dfarning> mukul, how are you coming?
[16:53]  * ishan_ is away for dinner
[16:56] <mukul> dfarning, I am working on sl #1520
[16:58] <dfarning> mukul, did you see the footnote at the bottom of http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-September/026560.html
[16:59] <mukul> dfarning, Yes I did
[16:59] <mukul> But I am having problems reproducing the issue.
[17:00] <mukul> dfarning, Alt+ Tab for gnome I think is given higher priority ,so it didn't work in sugar-emulator
[17:02] <mukul> dfarning, Then I boot directly into sugar-session. There also Alt+Tab did nothing.
[17:02] <dfarning> mukul, can create a new bug in launch pad about alt-tab not working, so we don't get confused.
[17:03] <mukul> dfarning, that seems good.
[17:03] <dfarning> mukul, and then work on that bug instead. as you said it has a much higher priority.
[17:04] <mukul> alsroot, Were you able to reproduce sl #1520? You asked us to try metacity-message disable-keybindings. I use that in sugar terminal but Alt+Tab doesn't work
[17:09] <mukul> dfarning, No you got me wrong. I meant since I am using sugar-emulator on ubuntu. Alt+Tab shows me the different windows open in Ubuntu and not sugar. I meant gnome has higher priority for Alt+Tab than Xephyr
[17:11]  * ishan_ is back
[17:12] <alsroot> mukul: I guess "metacity-message disable-keybindings" doesn't relate to this problem at the end, looks like Alt+Tab doesn't work at all in sugar
[17:12] <alsroot> ..on sugar level
[17:12] <alsroot> ..sugar's binding
[17:14] <dfarning> mukul, yes there are a couple of different issues and we need to sort out which is which and clarify why they are happening.  It looks like you stumbled onto a cascade of bugs:)
[17:16] <mukul> dfarning, sl # 1518 is a very similar bug too.
[17:16] <satellit_> dfarning: just reinstalled USR 902 to HD ' did apt-get update ' apt-get upgrade.  What is command to install activities? apt-get install sugar* ? I want to update both wiki's
[17:21] <dfarning> mukul, can you sort this out and send me and email describing the various problems. please add links to existing or new bug reports.
[17:22] <mukul> dfarning, I'll try
[17:22] <dfarning> satellit_, looking
[17:22] <dfarning> mukul, thanks.
[17:22] <satellit_> thanks
[17:25] <mukul> dfarning, I will be back in some time.
[17:25] <satellit_> dfarning:  update and upgrade brought in activities.....
[17:27] <dfarning> mukul good luck. this turned into a much harder bug than expected.  depending on how things go this afternoon I think we will postpone this bug and start on an easier one.
[17:28] <dfarning> satellit_, nice.  it looks like I need to respin the iso.  The new USR-meta, which installs the activites, is now in universe.
[17:29] <satellit_> great  surf-115.xo works here drag-drop and did ASLO DL IRC
[17:31] <USR-902> works
[17:33] <dfarning> satellit_, rebuilding isos. They should be ready in 90-120 minutes on download.sl.o.... unless something goes wrong.
[17:33] <satellit_> great will test : )
[18:20] <satellit_> dfarning: only 4 languages listed in CP of USR    Dari; English; Kreyol; Pashto..... is that correct?
[18:22] <dfarning> satellit_, I have not looked at the lang stuff I have no idea how it works
[18:22] <satellit_> ok
[18:22] <dfarning> satellit_, I'll try learning about it tonight -- but if you have any suggestions.
[18:23] <satellit_> no I do not..just noticed it. Most sugar distros have a plethora of languages listed
[18:32] <manusheel> dipankar: Around?
[19:13] <satellit_> dfarning: http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/USR-i386-20100907.iso  DL now
[19:14] <dfarning> satellit_, the build was running in the background i didn't know it was done.
[19:15] <satellit_> just finished that and amd
[20:39] <satellit_> dfarning: 907 comes up with activities on f3 circle....(FYI:I used update checkbox on install) looks good : )
[20:40] <dfarning> satellit_,  very good.... now to work on those languages:)
[20:41] <satellit_>  1 for Haiti and 2 for Afganistan plus english !
[20:43] <satellit_> need browser and irc aimed at #ubuntu-sugarteam and (#sugar-newbies?)


[10:14] <Twisterss> Hello everyone, I work on Jolicloud and try to adapt a bit ubiquity, and I just discovered that ubiquity includes a cache of the Release files of the ubuntu repositories during install (in d-i/source/apt-setup/apt-setup-signed_release) and I don't understand how it works.
[10:15] <Twisterss> As this is an old release files, aren't all checksums wrong ?
[10:52] <Twisterss> I don't understand because with an unmodified version of ubiquity, the only cached Release file is archive.ubuntu.com. The installed servers are fr.archive.ubuntu.com, so the cached Release file isn't used. I have just modified the way for ubiquity to get the codename of the release, and now it caches the Release file of fr.archive.ubuntu.com, that is used. So I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" error when I run apt-get
[11:00] <cjwatson> Twisterss: it doesn't matter that the old checksums are wrong, it just has to have been a valid signature at some point
[11:01] <cjwatson> Twisterss: the point of shipping a signed Release file from the start is that that means that apt will always require a signed Release file from that point onward (you can't downgrade from signed to unsigned)
[11:01] <cjwatson> Twisterss: this prevents man-in-the-middle attacks on the archive
[11:02] <cjwatson> I forget how it works for mirrors, but I thought I'd considered that
[11:02] <cjwatson> that may be a bug :)
[11:04] <cjwatson> generators/50mirror.ubuntu does 'apt-setup-signed-release archive.ubuntu.com "$file"'
[11:04] <cjwatson> so that should be fine surely ...
[11:04] <Twisterss> cjwatson: but then it should download again the Release file when you run sudo apt-get update, and I have a problem with that: it never downloads the files unless I manually clear the cache, and I get a checksum mismatch when running apt-get update
[11:05] <cjwatson> that's the sort of thing that often arises from buggy "transparent" web proxies
[11:06] <cjwatson> I've seen that problem for other reasons; are you sure you're correct in ascribing it to apt-setup?
[11:08] <Twisterss> I have no web proxy, and I didn't have this problem until I modified just two lines in ubiquity to change the way ubiquity gets the release codename (it reads a file instead of using lsb-release, because my release name is Jolicloud robby and I still use Ubuntu jaunty repositories)
[11:09] <Twisterss> cjwatson: my changes:
[11:09] <Twisterss>
[11:09] <Twisterss> -if CODENAME="$(lsb_release -cs)"; then
[11:09] <Twisterss> -	# TODO cjwatson 2006-04-07: wrong for Debian, I think
[11:09] <Twisterss> +if CODENAME="$(cat '/etc/upstream-release/codename')"; then
[11:09] <Twisterss>  	db_set mirror/suite "$CODENAME"
[11:09] <Twisterss>  	db_set mirror/codename "$CODENAME"
[11:09] <Twisterss> +else
[11:09] <Twisterss> +	if CODENAME="$(lsb_release -cs)"; then
[11:09] <Twisterss> +		# TODO cjwatson 2006-04-07: wrong for Debian, I think
[11:09] <Twisterss> +		db_set mirror/suite "$CODENAME"
[11:09] <Twisterss> +		db_set mirror/codename "$CODENAME"
[11:09] <Twisterss> +	fi
[11:09] <Twisterss>  fi
[11:09] <Twisterss> dans scripts/apt-setup
[11:10] <Twisterss> this is the only file I have changed in ubiquity
[11:12] <cjwatson> I'm not sure what your problem is then, sorry
[11:12] <Twisterss> no problem, thank you for the help :)
[11:13] <cjwatson> I'd be happy to look at full logs if you want to file a bug report and attach them
[12:25] <Twisterss> I think I understood my problem: to refresh its cache, apt uses a if-modified-since HTTP header, and sets it to the date when the cached Release file was last modified. But when ubiquity installs the file, the date is the date when I created my ISO, so it thinks that the Release file is good, while it isn't. But I don't understand why I just discovered this problem.
[12:35] <Twisterss> Ok, I understand: when I downloaded the sources of ubiquity, the modification date has been set to the current date, so my package is wrong. cjwatson: Do you have a script to automatically refresh all Release files in ubiquity?
[12:51] <Twisterss> ok, you probably never refresh them as this is just to ensure that it is signed. So I just changed the modification date to an earlier date with touch. I think it will fix my problem :)
[12:54] <Twisterss> (this is a big trap for people trying to build the ubiquity package, though)
[13:12] <cjwatson> Twisterss: I'm surprised the modification date is changed; generally our tools are careful to avoid that
[13:12] <cjwatson> Twisterss: how did you fetch the sources?
[13:13] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- cjwatson/cjwatson    189 2009-05-04 15:13 ubiquity/d-i/source/apt-setup/release-files/archive.ubuntu.com/jaunty-proposed/Release.gpg
[13:13] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- cjwatson/cjwatson  41698 2009-05-04 15:13 ubiquity/d-i/source/apt-setup/release-files/archive.ubuntu.com/jaunty-proposed/Release
[13:13] <cjwatson> (that's from ubiquity_1.13.4.tar.gz)
[13:14] <Twisterss> yes, but I did a cp :/
[13:14] <Twisterss> (without -a)
[13:15] <cjwatson> don't do that then :-)
[13:15] <Twisterss> I won't do it again ^^
[13:16] <cjwatson> I don't think it's all that big a trap; mostly people will just use 'apt-get source ubiquity' which won't have this problem
[13:16] <cjwatson> but you know now :)
[13:16] <cjwatson> I'll think about whether it's possible to have some safer annotations in the source package to avoid this
[13:51] <Twisterss> I saw a small bug in the ubiquity source code: the window icon of Ubiquity is hard-coded as the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps, you can't override it with a theme.
[13:56] <cjwatson> please do file a bug about that
[13:57] <cjwatson> IRC is not really all that great as a bug tracker :)
[14:00] <Twisterss> ok
[16:17] <CIA-5> base-installer: cjwatson * r373 new-pae-naming/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Adjust for new PAE kernel package naming on i386.
[19:46] <kirkland> fyi, i just tried today's daily karmic amd64 server install
[19:46] <kirkland> default options
[19:46] <kirkland> appears i'm hung at grub
[19:52] <kirkland> hmm, i could be wrong
[19:52] <kirkland> now it's booting
[19:52] <kirkland> there was like a 5 minute delay
[20:02] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Why doesn't oem-config-udeb get installed by anna automatically like oem-config-check does? (ie. oem-config-udeb seems to only get installed if oem-config-check tells anna to do so in a debian-installer-startup.d hook).
[20:03] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Is it because oem-config's source package priority is extra and oem-config-udeb doesn't set its own priority to standard like oem-config-check does?
[20:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: default server karmic install, user is not in the admin group
[20:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: known issue?
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: rgreening * r114 usb-creator/usbcreator/ (backend.py kbackend.py kde_frontend.py): (log message trimmed)
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: Fix persist calculation in backend.py/kbackend.py
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: Remove try/except block from update free (was a temp test/fix) in kbackend.py
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: dd_status needs to know the pid rather than rely on using pipe.pid directly
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: new kde_frontend function (read_line) for reading source process input
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: remove subprocess.Popen call (implement via new kde_frontend background_process function)
[20:42] <CIA-5> usb-creator: implement kde_frontend add_io_watch to replace gobject.io_add_watch in kbackend
[21:26] <jsteel> Im trying to install 9.04 on my new core i7 servers. Unfortunately the server edition cant detect my hard drives and gives me an empty list at the partition menu. Desktop edition can see the drives fine though. Does anybody know what the difference is in the two installers and how I can either user the desktop on for the server install, or fix the server install?
[21:33] <cody-somerville> Does partman support creating partitions of type "Dell Utility"?
[21:35] <cody-somerville> superm1, do you know?
[21:38] <superm1> cody-somerville, depends on what you need to create out of it.  they are inherently fat16 partitions
[21:38] <superm1> but there are parts of data in there that are not representable in fat16 that can't be written by open source tools (tied tightly to dell factory)
[21:42] <cody-somerville> superm1, Well, I'm looking to dd in utility partition from Dell so I assume I need it to be an actual dell utility partition type for it to work all fine and dandy.
[21:43]  * cody-somerville goes for dinner, ttyl
[21:45] <superm1> ah, well if partman doesn't already support creating such a partition type, you should be able to write a fairly small patch to do so. just use fat16 on the backend for the patch, but set type 'de'.  since you'll be DD'ing it at the end anyway in a post install script, that should be fine.
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: rgreening * r115 usb-creator/usbcreator/ (kbackend.py kde_frontend.py):
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: Move self.pipe from kbackend.py to frontend and provide accessor methods to the process pipe
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: via get_process_pipe() and the pid via get_process_pid(). The background process needs to be
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: completely encapsulated in the frontend (since we use KProcess which is toolkit dependant).
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: Fix all calls referencing self.pipe, self.pipe.pid to use the new accessors.
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: add_child_watch should pass a pid and not pipe
[22:06] <CIA-5> usb-creator: backend.abort no longer need to have pid passed to it, as it now can use the accessors
[23:41] <xivulon> I am moving wubi to grub2, have only done the windows side, so things will probably be broken until update-grub is also updated
[23:56] <xivulon> TheMuso, when you have time can you check the accessibility page of wubi and please let me know (as in post a bug) if it needs to be changed?


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[22:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN: As I can not access Forbes site the articles in "In The Press" section I can not summarize. Can you do them ?


[15:45] <huwaw69_> is anyone here?
[15:46] <huwaw69_> i just want to ask if ubuntu/canonical would provide me with free Cd's in my country to promote there products, for free? also... and if yes how?


[00:02] <phoenix_firebrd> andrewh192: hi
[00:03] <andrewh192> phoenix_firebrd: hey, nevermind
[00:03] <andrewh192> phoenix_firebrd: i figured it out
[00:03] <phoenix_firebrd> andrewh192: didn't your device get detected?
[00:03] <andrewh192> phoenix_firebrd: hows it going, btw
[00:03] <andrewh192> phoenix_firebrd: well its a networked printer
[00:03] <andrewh192> phoenix_firebrd: runs off of my mom's mac
[00:04] <andrewh192> i found it though, just went to the printer config in the settings menu and clicked on new printer and it found itt
[00:05] <eevan> hi
[00:06] <ko2> hello, i have Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) installed and no Compiz is installed. How can i disable desktop effects?
[00:06] <eevan> i'm coming by gnome to kde and i like to kow how to install themes on kubuntu, i find a nice theme here http://scnd101.deviantart.com/art/uniq-suite-v1-184479446 i'm using kubuntu 10.10
[01:40] <psykatog> 10.04 - i think the external wireless switch (on another computer) is broken in the off position.  is there a way to change this through terminal?
[02:09] <wqapol> How to figure out the command name for a gui kde app?
[02:10] <wqapol> In specific for 'System Monitor'
[02:10] <maco> look at the Exec line in its .desktop file in /usr/share/kde4/applications/
[02:17] <wqapol> found out /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksysgaurd. But can open it through terminal kdesudo ksysgaurd. --> Command not found
[02:17] <wqapol> *cant
[02:22] <wqapol> Never mind. sudo kill -9 1168 did the job.
[02:38] <lnxkde> :)
[02:42] <shane4ubuntu> ok, the other day I tinkered very little with iptables, and abandoned that idea, and fired up ufw instead, I allowed ssh on the local LAN but I can't ssh from laptop to cpu??  do I need to flush iptables?
[04:59] <sobczyk> hello, is there some ubuntu texlive bacports repository?
[06:53] <pucko-> Hello. I have some problem with bluedevil. Bluetooth actually works fine, hciconfig sees it perfectly, but for some reason bluedevil can't find my bluetooth adapter. Can anyone help me find what's wrong?
[07:11] <murali> Please help. i am new to kubuntu. how to get updates in kubuntu??
[07:14] <pucko-> murali, in kpackagekit
[07:18] <murali> thank you packo, how can i update from terminal
[07:19] <Tm_T> !apt-get
[07:19] <Tm_T> murali: see that help page ^
[07:30] <murali> Please help. i am tryin to use commads "aptitude -f install" n "aptitude upgrade", but gettin an error tht ""
[07:30] <murali> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[07:30] <murali> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:31] <murali> what to do now? please help
[07:32] <moetunes> murali:  use sudo
[07:32] <moetunes> !sudo
[07:34] <murali> Thank you moetunes.
[07:34] <moetunes> np :)
[08:32] <freinhard> hi!
[08:32] <freinhard> where can i disable the alt-mouse = move window behaviour?
[08:32] <freinhard> couldn't find it in global shortcuts->kwin
[08:36] <freinhard> found it.. window behaviour->window behaviour->window actions.. wtf
[08:54] <jschall> is there any chance someone could walk me through setting up ndiswrapper for a broadcom bcm4313 on kubuntu amd64?
[09:18] <moetunes> !bcm
[09:19] <moetunes> that might have a link for it
[09:24] <amichair> isn't it a bit strange that apt-listchanges installs exim4 as a dependency? That's a glorified changelog viewer installing a mail server...
[09:41] <bdizzle> anyone know why I cannot connect to irc.mibbit.net via Konversation?
[09:59] <amichair> does dolphin support file browsing over ssh?
[09:59] <rork> amichair: yes, use sftp://user@hostname
[10:00] <amichair> rork: Great, thanks!
[10:00] <rork> you're welcome
[10:50] <zmitya> hi gents
[10:50] <zmitya> I have a fresh kubuntu 10.10 installation
[10:50] <zmitya> and there is no "panel spacer" within the widgets somehow :(
[10:50] <zmitya> where can I find it ?
[10:51] <Riddell> zmitya: cashew (on panel) -> Add Spacer
[10:53] <zmitya> Riddell: oh, thx !!
[11:14] <alx_> hey everybody! i was just wondering how to get the command "flashplayer" to work.. i have "flashplugin-installer" installed, but there seems to be no command "flashplayer"... i need a standalone flash player to run a .swf  .. any ideas?
[11:58] <wiki> zerothis:
[12:15] <obscurant1st> iam using Kmail. But when i close it it exits, isn't it supposed to goto the tray and stay there till i quits it. o if this is supposed to be like this, can anyone helpme to make it like the way i wanted?
[12:22] <obscurant1st> somebody?
[12:23] <Mamarok> obscurant1st: how do you close it?
[12:23] <Mamarok> clicking on the window closer should be enough
[12:23] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: close button on the right top corner
[12:23] <Mamarok> well, that doesn't quit the application, did you check in the SysTray widget if it is visible?
[12:24] <obscurant1st> no i dont want it to exit when i click on this close button, i want it to goto the system tray or the notification area!
[12:24] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: its not there
[12:24] <obscurant1st> :(
[12:24] <Mamarok> read again what I said
[12:24] <Mamarok> some apps don't show there, youneed to check the settings
[12:24] <Mamarok> of the SysTray widget
[12:25] <remo> buenos
[12:25] <remo> remo, desde Chile.
[12:25] <remo>  Que tal ¡
[12:25] <Mamarok> !es | remo
[12:26] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: right click and systray settings?
[12:26] <Mamarok> obscurant1st: yes
[12:26] <remo> Ok gracias. soy nuevos, gracias por comprender.
[12:27] <remo> Y ayudar
[12:27] <Mamarok> remo: de nada :)
[12:28] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: i think some problem is there. By the way how can i set the default aplication for torrents?
[12:28] <Mamarok> obscurant1st: in the System Settings
[12:29] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: default applications?
[12:29] <Mamarok> obscurant1st: I just tried here, it doesn indeed not end in the System Tray, maybe I missed a setting in Kmail itself
[12:31] <BajK_> Kubuntu 4.6 has a new login screen?
[12:31] <BajK_> e KDE 4.6
[12:32] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: see this http://tinypic.com/r/2mnhc13/7, i dont hv an option to select default app for torrent in this. :(
[12:34] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: yeah in KMail there is a setting for that. got it! :)
[12:37] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: you there?
[12:38] <Mamarok> obscurant1st: sorry, was afk
[12:38] <obscurant1st> ok.
[12:39] <obscurant1st> Mamarok: see this http://tinypic.com/r/2mnhc13/7, i dont hv an option to select default app for torrent in this. :(
[12:39] <Mamarok> not there, in the file associations
[12:40] <Mamarok> as the URL is a *.torrent, set this to be opened with Ktorrent
[14:17] <rahul_> how to uninstall kubuntu ?
[14:17] <rahul_> ny ?
[14:19] <susundberg> did you install it by booting or with wubi while running in windows?
[14:19] <susundberg> if you installed it by booting and to a specfic partition i am afraid there is no way to 'uninstall' it other than format that used partition
[14:19] <susundberg> or manually try to remove some of the files
[14:21] <matematikaadit> or did you mean that you using ubuntu then you installing kubuntu-desktop packages?
[14:21] <rahul_> not with wubi...
[14:22] <rahul_> i did it directly by typing into terminal..
[14:22] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:22] <rahul_> now i'm upgrading my ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10...
[14:22] <rahul_> so how do i remove this kubuntu..?
[14:23] <rahul_> @matematikaadit yup..
[14:23] <BluesKaj> rahul_: how do you plan to upgrade ?
[14:23] <rahul_> i got the image downloaded..
[14:23] <rahul_> burn'd it 2 disk..
[14:24] <susundberg> you should be able to remove packages installed with package manager in the same place where you installed them in the first place
[14:24] <BluesKaj> you can upgrade with this command : sudo do-release-upgrade ...no need to reinstall an iso/img
[14:25] <susundberg> did that really work .. i have alwayd decided to be better safe than sorry and do fres '/' ;)
[14:25] <susundberg> fresh
[14:26] <rahul_> by installing this...10.10 package, will i be able 2 use kubuntu again ?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> susundberg: have you tried it ? ...worked fine for me the last 3 upgrades
[14:27] <susundberg> no i have not, some other user scared me off by saying its not working that good
[14:27] <susundberg> anyway, i like fresh start from time to time
[14:27] <rahul_> @BluesKaj "rahul@rahul-desktop:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:27] <rahul_> [sudo] password for rahul:
[14:27] <rahul_> \Checking for a new ubuntu release
[14:27] <rahul_> No new release found
[14:27] <rahul_> rahul@rahul-desktop:~$ \
[14:27] <FloodBotK2> rahul_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:27] <rahul_> " this wht i see..
[14:27] <susundberg> it automatically removes the packages that are not needed
[14:28] <BluesKaj> susundberg: it does resquire a decent uninterruptable internet connection , but otherewise there's no oter reason not to.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> oher
[14:28] <susundberg> nice to hear that option is available!
[14:28] <BluesKaj> this kb is giving me touble again
[14:31] <rahul_> hello...can ny help me..
[14:31] <rahul_> @BluesKaj it did nt work..
[14:32] <rahul_> hello..
[14:32] <susundberg> what does your /etc/issue say?
[14:32] <susundberg> and have you done upgrade ..
[14:34] <BluesKaj> rahul_ what doe this say? lsb_release -a
[14:36] <cata> sal all
[14:37] <cata> romani pe aici?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> !ro
[14:37] <cata> hellooooo
[14:37] <cata> nici un romanas pe aici?
[14:55] <yande111180_> hablar espanol_
[14:59] <yande111180_> kubuntu user?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ok , kde apps on normal runlevel permissions are ok , but anything requiring root permissions are immune to appearance changes , like toolbar fonts ...kate fonts in the text page are adjustable but the fonts on the toolbar are too small to read on this tv (42" plasma)
[15:18] <Fleck> BluesKaj u can change fonts ir system settings for toolbars and menus etc,,,
[15:19] <Fleck> BluesKaj i mean - run system settings as root
[15:19] <Fleck> and change settings for root user
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yes Fleck , I'm talking about root permissions like using the run command to call up sources.list etc
[15:20] <Fleck> BluesKaj run systemsettings as root and chage fonts for root user too! :)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Fleck: gotcha ..I'll try that :)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Fleck: no luck
[15:51] <gabin> rm -rf /
[15:52] <tsimpson> !danger | ^
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Fleck: had to reboot twice after adjustments on the actual file pages . but I finally got them readable ..thanks:)
[15:59] <skfin> Hmm
[15:59] <skfin> +q request took a while
[16:44] <amichair> BluesKaj: I just fiddled with the fonts yesterday... if it helps, I think the defaults are taken from /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals and optionally overridden by the user's own ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah , I fianlly managed to get them adjusted by running ssytemsettings in the run command box and then rebooting , but it took a couple of rebbots to get them all done
[16:50] <amichair> ok, whatever works for you :-)
[17:02] <sresu> I need help related to Ktorrent. How can I queue torrents so that second torrent download can start only after competion of first or before it starts to seed?
[17:05] <amichair> sresu: closest thing is to change the number of concurrent downloads in the settings to 1, then organize the queue in your desired order.
[17:06] <sresu> amichair: Yes, I've changed the queue order giving it the way I want. But For that to work one must all the queued order working. Then what's the point?
[17:06] <sresu> must have*
[17:07] <amichair> sresu: I'm not sure what you mean... if you have 1 concurrent download, it will do the first, when it's done go one to the second, etc. Is this what you want?
[17:08] <sresu> Yes, I've changed the queue order giving it the way I want. But for that to work one must have all the queued torrent running else it doesn't work. The problem I face here is that downloads doesn't gets finished properly then
[17:08] <sresu> Yes
[17:08] <amichair> (btw I agree it's not ideal - I was looking for a better solution myself a while ago...)
[17:09] <amichair> why don't they finish properly? I think all but the current one get the status 'stalled' and await their turn
[17:09] <sresu> Yes... If I've two torrents downloaded, I want first to get finished and only then second to be started
[17:09] <sresu> No that doesn't happen
[17:09] <sresu> What have you done?
[17:10] <sresu> I've all running here
[17:10] <sresu> amichair:  If I don't start the queued torrents then it says "Not Queued"
[17:11] <amichair> sresu: you start all of them
[17:11] <sresu> amichair: I've to otherwise it says "Not Queued"
[17:11] <amichair> but since it's limited to 1 at a time, the rest are 'queued for download' (not stalled - I just checked. sorry for the confusion)
[17:11] <sresu> amichair: What do you do?
[17:12] <sresu> I never saw that thing - queued for download
[17:12] <amichair> I just changed the settings to max downloads = 1,  selected two torrents and started them
[17:12] <amichair> under settings -> queue manager -> maximum downloads
[17:12] <kleopatra> what does this error try to tell me ?   libclamav JIT: *** JITed code intercepted runtime error!
[17:13] <amichair> sresu: you can set it to any other number as well, e.g. if it's 2, you'd have the first two torrents downloading, and when one of them finishes the third queued torrent will start, etc.
[17:15] <sresu> amichair: Well I've done that thing and as you said max 1 only even then max two runs. Now added two more torrent to check where previously I was only with two torrents. Even now it runs two torrents though the other two are queued. Again I've kept max only 1 torrent
[17:17] <Arran> Hi and good evening
[17:17] <sresu> amichair: Now Queued five torrents. It runs two but queues rest three. But I want only one at a time
[17:18] <amichair> sresu: I'm on ktorrent 4.0.3 btw
[17:19] <sresu> amichair: Likewise
[17:19] <amichair> sresu: when I start a new torrent, it just shows as 'queued' in the queue manager tab, and as 'queued for download' in the top pane
[17:20] <amichair> so I'm not sure what's hapenning different in your setup...
[17:20] <sresu> amichair: I do see that. But max 2 when setting is made for max 1
[17:21] <sresu> After your suggestion, when I changed it to one and after adding two more I saw thses - queued' 'queued for download'. But now the problem is about running only 1 max not 2 max
[17:22] <amichair> strange, mine behaves properly - when max is 1 only 1 is running, and when max is 2 there are 2 running, etc.
[17:22] <sresu> amichair: Anyways, thanks for considering. I'll keep mini dowloads around 1 mb thing in between and sail around. Thanks
[17:23] <amichair> I wish they would overhaul the whole queueing mechanism though. It's often useful to queue individual files within a torrent too, etc. and the current controls aren't too intuitive.
[17:23] <sresu> Yes, I agree
[17:23] <amichair> and it shouldn't be separate from the top pane.
[17:23] <amichair> oh well...
[17:25] <amichair> sresu: oh wow, I see they have a 'File download order' option now (or maybe it was there before?)
[17:25] <sresu> amichair:  I just now typed what you said as feedback
[17:25] <sresu> amichair: huh? where?
[17:25] <amichair> but I don't see why there should be separate queues if they all use the same resources
[17:25] <sresu> Missed by seconds
[17:25] <amichair> right click on a torrent
[17:25] <sudhan> Hi People
[17:26] <sresu> Where is that - File download order'?
[17:26] <amichair> sresu: in the top pane, right-click on a torrent, the last option in the context menu
[17:26] <sresu> amichair: Not allowed to select though
[17:26] <sresu> Greyed
[17:27] <Cronus> Hello
[17:27] <amichair> sresu: maybe that torrent doesn't have more than 1 file in it?
[17:27] <amichair> this option orders files within a single torrent, if I understand correctly
[17:28] <sresu> Right. I wish it was opposite for the other
[17:28] <sresu> This should have been for what I need and other as optional for individual files within torrent
[17:29] <sresu> What do you say?
[17:29] <Cronus> im using konqueror in filemode. how can i change to listview?
[17:30] <sresu> Cronus: Click on list view next to place where you see the current location
[17:30] <sresu> Cronus:  Its called Detailed view
[17:32] <amichair> sresu: I have a bunch of ideas for how it can be organized, would have to think about it a bit (or just see what other torrent clients do - this problem has been solved before)
[17:32] <sudhan> Does Kubuntu support Teamviewer natively
[17:32] <amichair> but the current ktorrent behavior is definitely not on that list :-)
[17:34] <Cronus> @sresu cannot find it. the is a + and a - icon. here i can change iconsize. next to + and - the is another icon. if i click it nothing happens.
[17:34] <sresu> Cronus: Konqueror Version 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)?
[17:35] <sresu> Why don't you try Dolphin file manager?
[17:35] <Cronus> sresu: no 3.5.10
[17:36] <sudhan> Hi people Does Kubuntu support Teamviewer natively
[17:37] <Cronus> sresu: sorry im linux beginner, last time i used a distrib with gnome and nautilus.
[17:37] <sresu> !info dolphin | Cronus
[17:38] <sresu> Cronus: This is what I see as options - http://imagebin.org/128046
[17:40] <sresu> Cronus: In Kubuntu/KDE, Dolphin is the default file manager. (May change in upcoming versions)
[17:40] <Cronus> sresu: but i cannot use dolphin because im on kde 3.5.
[17:43] <sresu> !info Krusader
[17:43] <amichair> !info krusader
[18:21] <shane4ubuntu> Ok, I have a wireless mouse (trackball actually) in gnome it would alert me when the battery was low, is there any thing to do that in KDE?
[18:23] <Riddell> shane4ubuntu: that's part of the bluetooth UI, KDE's bluetooth UI is currently under redevelopment through the bluedevil project and I'm not sure if that feature is in it yet or not
[18:23] <Riddell> shane4ubuntu: I'll ask the author
[18:23] <shane4ubuntu> Riddell: no, I'm not that advanced, :)  I don't have a bluetooth mouse
[18:24] <Riddell> hmm, then what protocol is it?
[18:24] <shane4ubuntu> Riddell: this is usb plug in reciever, then wireless
[18:24] <shane4ubuntu> as for protocol, I'm not sure.
[18:24] <Riddell> in which case I'm not sure what would handle that
[18:26] <shane4ubuntu> also, another minor question, in gnome I hit ctrl and it would hightlight where my mouse was, I tend to loose it on my desktop. :)  I'm sure kde can do that I just don't see where.
[18:27] <ombr> plop
[18:27] <Riddell> shane4ubuntu: afiestas is an elite KDE developer doing bluetooth and other bits
[18:27] <shane4ubuntu> in gnome the mouse battery thing was in gnome power management I think.
[18:27] <afiestas> shane4ubuntu: hi, can you provide the output of "qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower" ?
[18:28] <shane4ubuntu> afiestas: http://pastebin.com/xNKRHdwh
[18:28] <Riddell> shane4ubuntu: you need to turn on the Track Mouse effect in System Settings -> Desktop Effects
[18:28] <afiestas> (that effect is very battery consuming)
[18:29] <afiestas> /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/mouse_8_2 hehe :p
[18:29] <afiestas> what I don't know is if the current battery monitor supports more than one device, but it should
[18:29] <afiestas> (or at least it will in 4.7)
[18:29] <Riddell> ah, so it's a powerdevil responsibility
[18:29] <Riddell> I had the wrong devil :)
[18:30] <maco> so instead of the devil being in the details, the detail is in the devils?
[18:30]  * maco ducks
[18:31] <shane4ubuntu> afiestas: Riddell I don't want it to always display, just when I can't find my cursor (I have two monitors)  and I can't change the effect?  I wouldn't think it would use a lot of mouse battery just once to find it.
[18:32] <scifi> hi, yesterday i moved the default panel from the top of the screen to the bottom, today when i logged on the panel is still at the bottom, but the applications, places etc menus have gone!! how do i get them back???
[18:32] <maco> i cant find something to do what your asking...which is surprising me a lot. since when does gnome have settings that kde doesnt?
[18:32] <maco> scifi: applications, places, and system? does this mean you're on gnome then?
[18:33] <kaddi__> anyone familiar with audacity in here? I would need some guidance on how to remove white noise
[18:33] <maco> scifi: if so, right click, add to panel, and i think it's main menu
[18:33] <afiestas> shane4ubuntu: it uses a log of battery (or at least it used to) because it has to track the position
[18:33] <scifi> no using xfce4
[18:33] <afiestas> and the tracking is done all the time, not just when you activate the shortcut
[18:33] <maco> *shrug*
[18:33] <maco> scifi: you need #xubuntu
[18:33] <scifi> sorry i typed wrong channel name lool
[18:34] <shane4ubuntu> afiestas: ahh, ok, in gnome it didn't seem to, but I don't really know.
[18:34] <shane4ubuntu> Riddell: is there another way of tracking it? is that my only option?   < afiestas   the circling stars aren't really for me.
[18:35] <afiestas> shane4ubuntu: you can ask in #kwin I'm not an expert in that area
[18:35] <shane4ubuntu> afiestas: ok, thanks!  much appreciated.
[18:59] <mjobin> 4.6 beta 2 rock stable
[19:05] <alex___> здравствуйте.
[19:05] <Pici> !ru | alex___
[19:28] <nirazio> what is the Kubuntu equivalent for 'Network tools' as in Ubuntu ?
[19:31] <gigasoft> hi all
[19:31] <nirazio> what is the Kubuntu equivalent for 'Network tools' as in Ubuntu ?
[19:35] <mjobin> nirazio: what do you want to do ?
[19:35] <mjobin> i dont know this 'network tools' app but I might know how to help you doing something more specific
[19:42] <BluesKaj> nirazio, I think it's net-tools in kubuntu
[19:43] <Scunizi> I don't think kubuntu has the network tools gui that gnome/ubuntu has.. but it's all available on cli
[19:44] <Scunizi> also, net-tools is not the same as the gui net tools on ubuntu.. ubuntu's has ping, whois, traceroute etc
[19:47] <Scunizi> nirazio: if you want to install the gnome version it's called gnome-nettool in the repos.. see link for what it has.. http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-network/screenshots.shtml
[19:56] <nirazio> Thankyou Scunizi
[19:56] <Scunizi> nirazio: was that what you were looking for?
[19:57] <nirazio> yeah
[19:57] <Scunizi> cool
[20:03] <silentstorm> hi everybody!
[20:03] <silentstorm> i have a question about usplash
[20:04] <silentstorm> how to change bootsplash on maverick
[20:04] <silentstorm> is there anyone to answer plz?ü
[20:05] <silentstorm> hey
[20:07] <Spurgeon> maverick? .... creepy :P
[20:29]  * mjobin feel some love for 4.6
[20:31] <silentstorm> hi
[20:31] <silentstorm> is there anone can help me plz?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> silentstorm, ask your question
[21:31] <basso> i am currently burning out kubuntu 10.10!
[21:32] <BajK> What is the cause for the desktop effects being not working in my kubuntu installation? In systemsettings it said something like "Desktop effects are not available due to:" and that's it. the checkbox is greyed out
[21:33] <BajK> never had this on any other installation. It is neither working in virtualbox (where I have them working in other kubuntu installs) or on a real machine
[21:33] <BajK> they are not  working with opengl. with xrender they work (but this is laggy as hell)
[21:35] <BajK> and the thing still shows "Effects are not available blabla" but the checkbox is checked and they seem to work with Xrender but not opengl which I want to
[21:36] <noaXess> my maverick with kde 4.5.4 has a problem, that on boot sound is muted and set to 20% sound level.. need mute/unmute it to get it work..
[21:38] <BajK> and I don't want to reinstall the system just because of such a stupid error
[22:08] <vbgunz> does anybody have an nvidia card? I have a gtx 260. when the system first starts up and my power profile is on performance and nvidias powermizer is on performance, the effects scream with vsync enabled... then at some point, not sure whats causing it, nothing else is stressing the system, the effects begin to chug and hiccup. why is that?
[22:25] <david96> Bonsoir, je suis français. J'ai un bug avec le démon d'alarme de Korganizer. À chaque démarrage de Korganizer il s'affiche avec ce message d'erreur :
[22:25] <david96>  Exécutable : korgac PID : 30275 Signal : 11 (Segmentation fault)
[22:25] <david96> ooops
[22:25] <david96> Good evening, I'm French. I have a bug with the alarm daemon Korganizer. Every time you start Korganizer it appears with this error message:
[22:25] <david96>  Executable: korgac PID: 30275 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[22:27] <silentstorm> is there anyone who knows about usplash?
[22:28] <david96> silenstorm : I heard about it but never installed, sorry
[22:49] <Roey> frogonwheels:  hello
[22:49] <Roey> long time no see
[23:11] <vbgunz> does anybody have an nvidia card? I have a gtx 260. when the system first starts up and my power profile is on performance and nvidias powermizer is on performance, the effects scream with vsync enabled... then at some point, not sure whats causing it, nothing else is stressing the system, the effects begin to chug and hiccup. why is that?
[23:20] <biostar> sry for the dumb question but never booted from usb before and need help creating a bootable usb from 10.10 any help appreciated
[23:22] <gr8m8> biostar: it's not something I have done but there are plenty of howtos around - try this one
[23:22] <gr8m8> !usb
[23:22] <gr8m8> try the persistent link
[23:24] <biostar> gr8m8: did allot of google and did what it said to do but when i try to boot from usb no go
[23:24] <biostar> 10.10 still buggy huh
[23:25] <biostar> clicked on link ubottu gave me and now my pc going nuts lol
[23:25] <vbgunz> biostar: what bios do you have? can you turn off the pretty images and see if it offers you a way to get into the device boot menu? that can help. a lot.
[23:26] <biostar> vbgunz: yeah changed boot order in bios think its 10.10
[23:27] <biostar> vbgunz: be back gotta reboot pc went nuts and keeps opening pages when i clicked the link ubttu gave me
[23:27] <biostar>  brb
[23:28] <vbgunz> biostar: yeah, that's one way, the other way is to get to your bios boot menu. what I mean is different than what you did. theirs usually a shortcut you can press during post. something like ctrl+F8 or something. you press it the same time you would press the shortcut to get into your bios. anyhow, the shortcut pops up a boot menu on the spot. see if your usb is there
[23:32] <biostar> vbgunz: yeah f10 on my pc tried that too
[23:32] <vbgunz> biostar: it doesn't offer you a choice or can you see the usb stick and not boot from it?
[23:33] <biostar> vbgunz: shows usb and lets me attempt to boot but during boot process comes up with errr
[23:33] <vbgunz> ahh
[23:34] <gr8m8> what's the error?
[23:34] <vbgunz> biostar: now you onto something, whats the error just curious?
[23:35] <biostar> vbgunz: cannot remember but created an image with startup disk creator on 10.10
[23:36] <vbgunz> biostar: without that error getting or googling help can be futile. figure out the error first.
[23:36] <biostar> vbgunz: was using 9.04 and decided to do full install of 10.10 nothing but disapointment
[23:36] <basso> hmm
[23:36] <basso> gnome-do crashes in kde
[23:36] <basso> lol
[23:38] <biostar> vbgunz: long time user of kubuntu but never booted from usb so could be operator error will keep trying though thats what makes linux great reaping benifits of your efforts
[23:40] <biostar> $%^&@ windows 7 refuse to pay 200 for an os that does less than expected
[23:40] <biostar> vbgunz: brb gonna give the err
[23:47] <biostar> vbgunz: ok im back when booting from usb it says vesamenu.c32:not a COM32R image
[23:54] <gr8m8> biostar: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-mint-84/trying-to-boot-linux-mint-9-from-usb-flash-drive-vesamenu-c32-not-a-com32r-image-829397/
[23:55] <noobie25> can someone help me get my dualscreen working with ATI ??  half of my extended screen (2nd monitor) is scrambled.
[23:56] <noobie25> is there a way to install the proprietary driver for ATI?  i 've been having trouble just initiating installation.
[23:56] <biostar> gr8m8: omg every time click a link on 10.10 taskbar goes nuts opening million windows
[23:58] <gr8m8> biostar: that's gotta suck - dunno what would cause that


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[16:45] <leleobhz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:45] <leleobhz> im getting a error like this when i try to compile intrepid lattest kernel on hardy
[16:47] <smb_tp> leleobhz, The quickest way would be to increase the abi number in debian/changelog
[16:47] <rtg> leleobhz: the contents of the git repo aren't always buildable.
[16:48] <leleobhz> i dont get it from git rtg
[16:48] <leleobhz> ive got this from packages.ubuntu
[16:48] <leleobhz> 2.6.26-5.18 <--- is ok? previous is 5.17
[16:49] <smb_tp> leleobhz, no abi number is the one before. so 2.6.26-6.17
[16:50] <leleobhz> really
[16:50] <leleobhz> smb_tp: thanks
[16:51] <BenC> leleobhz: this is all documented on the kernel team wiki
[16:58] <leleobhz> my X session has crashed
[16:59] <leleobhz> someone can rewrite what comes after smb_tp said to me?
[16:59] <smb_tp> Just BenC: leleobhz: this is all documented on the kernel team wiki
[17:00] <leleobhz> oh, ok.
[18:16] <BenC> smb_tp: Can you look into bug #257293 please
[18:16] <BenC> smb_tp: possible SRU for hardy
[18:16] <BenC> smb_tp: filed by AMD
[18:21] <rtg> BenC: 2.6.27-1-server sure works better no my dual quad-core then 2.6.24-19
[18:23] <BenC> rtg: No comparison to 2.6.26-5?
[18:24] <rtg> BenC: no ethernet in 2.6.26-5
[18:25] <smb_tp> BenC, Ok, I'll have a look
[18:26] <rtg> smb_tp: you've already started on it. it was the patch from AMD on the mailing list (Monday?)
[18:27] <smb_tp> rtg, I was about to look it up. But if I am on it, let me see
[18:28] <smb_tp> rtg, BenC: hm ok, might the the one from the mailing list but there would probably be not difference between different ram sizes...
[18:29] <smb_tp> oh reading further down it is
[18:30] <smb_tp> ok, already got a test kernel for hardy for this one
[18:34] <smb_tp> BenC, for Intrepid and this I got a question. Would you prefer cleanup patches from upstream to be included or rather the patch kept minimal?
[20:47] <BenC> smb_tp: Your call
[20:48] <smb_tp> BenC, Ok, Then I'd go for getting the cleanup patches as well. Keeps Intrepid closer to upstream
[20:51] <BenC> smb_tp: Is the patch for intrepid already in 2.6.27?
[20:53] <smb_tp> BenC, all patches are upstream. Wait a sec I check when it got in
[20:54] <BenC> smb_tp: If so, I'd skip it for now
[20:54] <smb_tp> BenC, got in between 26-rc5 and 27-rc1
[20:55] <BenC> smb_tp: Ok, skip it for intrepid then
[20:56] <smb_tp> BenC, Ok, will mark it as won't-fix with a comment for intrepid in bug bug
[20:56] <smb_tp> Or better fix released
[20:58] <BenC> smb_tp: No, we will fix it...mark it for Alpha5 as in-progress
[20:58] <smb_tp> ok
[21:59] <infinity> BenC: You around?
[22:00] <BenC> infinity: yeah
[22:02] <infinity> BenC: I assume you have your finger on the pulse of kernel bugs slightly more than I do.  Was curious if we were (A) aware of the "r8169 occasionally drops media for no good reason" bug, (B) knew that it appears to be fixed upstream in (handwavy) 2.6.26ish, and (C) had any plans to fix it in hardy? :)
[22:03] <infinity> BenC: (It keeps knocking my co-lo machine off the interwebs, so I'm keen to get it fixed, but wasn't about to go hunting for patches to backport if the work had been or was being done)
[22:04] <leleobhz> someone can help-me with pexpect.sendline?
[22:27] <BenC> infinity: Wasn't aware, but I'd shoot an email to smb to see if he can look at an SRU for hardy
[22:29] <smb_tp> infinity, Is that the stock kernel driver or from the backports-modules? Quite a few drivers there are covered by compat-wireless
[22:29] <infinity> smb_tp: It's not wireless, it's realtek's GigE driver.
[22:30] <infinity> smb_tp: And, fair point on the backports-modules.  If there's a backport fix there, I'll be happy.  Didn't think to look.
[22:30] <smb_tp> infinity, Oh, sorry then r# drivers always make me think of wireless
[22:31] <smb_tp> infinity, Not sure if there is something, but if you drop me an email, so I don't forget...
[22:32] <infinity> smb_tp: Now that I know who to bug, I'll bring it up with you when I have more time.
[22:32] <infinity> smb_tp: (Or, at least mail you when I have the time to lay down more coherent thought)
[22:33] <smb_tp> infinity, ok, cool
[23:52] <soren> I have a server that seems to not want to boot 2.6.24-19-server. It's currently running 2.6.24-17-server. Are there any known regressions in 2.6.24-19? It's a remote server, so I can't see any error messages that I can use to search on launchpad.


[00:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[00:47] <guiverc> yep
[00:52] <Bashing-om> doing away with that evidence :D
[00:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue 695 :D
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