[12:59] <ubotu> New bug: #119246 in xorg (main) "No working graphics after installation, thinkpad z61m" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119246
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #120420 in xorg (main) "Tilde not working on iMac in UK (Feisty)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120420
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126897 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "IBM ScrollPoint mouse scrolls vertically VERY fast and has no horizontal scrolling" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126897
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #51056 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "DVB firmware USB drivers" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51056
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #127005 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "my xserver crashed after unsuspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127005
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #36875 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "ATI mobility radeon x700 doesn't work. (dup-of: 37116)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36875
[10:19] <ubotu> New bug: #99114 in xorg (main) "System reboots on heavy 3D activity (i810 + Intel 82G965 + Compiz)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99114


  Like you're glad it's me and not you, because YOU couldn't figure out how to put it in.  Hee hee
[18:27] <johnc4510> rofl
[18:27] <tyche> Yep.  That's what I thought.  LOL
[18:31] <johnc4510> :)
[18:32] <johnc4510> i'm a B A D boy
[18:41] <tyche> Hmmm.  Somebody is blocking me from entering the Launchpod information.  Not that I'd ever mention any names, but his initials are johnc4510.  Hee hee
[18:41] <johnc4510> what
[18:41] <johnc4510> ?
[18:41] <tyche> You're editing #128.
[18:41] <johnc4510> i'm out of the edit
[18:41] <johnc4510> learn how to use your computer  rofl
[18:41] <tyche> Yep.  It timed out.  Are the servers REALLY that screwy?
[18:42] <johnc4510> it was a bit slow for me
[18:42] <johnc4510> i got the bug team to start reporting the next hug day to the -news-team mailing list by sat.
[18:43] <johnc4510> so we can now start putting that in the issue
[18:43] <johnc4510> i added it already
[18:43] <tyche> I saw that.  It's already entered in the Google calendar.  I was going to enter it when I saw.
[18:43] <tyche> Ah.  No WONDER it was already entered.  Hee hee
[18:44] <johnc4510> we always got the email on like tues. for the event on thur. or such
[18:44] <johnc4510> could never report it
[18:44] <johnc4510> maybe it will draw some attention to it
[18:45] <tyche> Yep.  And they're hold it on the same day as Jono is holding "Rock the Docs"
[18:45] <johnc4510> ah
[18:46] <tyche> It's really for two different types of people, though, so it should be all right.
[18:47] <johnc4510> sure
[18:50] <johnc4510> tyche: i updated the nick ellery-contributing dev summary
[18:50] <tyche> NP
[18:51] <johnc4510> i'm going to get some lunch. bb afterwards
[18:51] <tyche> kk
[19:13] <tyche> Launchpad News is up
[19:39] <johnc4510> tyche: ping
[19:39] <tyche> johnc4510: pong
[19:39] <johnc4510> we're looking good, just need kenny and lizra to fill in their portions it looks like
[19:39] <johnc4510> :)
[19:40] <kennymc0> hey i've got plenty of time left
[19:40] <tyche> That sounds good.  I'll do the Glossary tomorrow, when everything is up.
[19:40] <johnc4510> tyche: cool
[19:40] <tyche> kennymc0: Yep.  No pressure.


[11:02] <cub> zequence_, are you around?
[11:14] <zequence_> cub: Yp
[11:14] <zequence_> yrp*
[11:15] <zequence_> I'm on pain meds. That might be my problem right now
[11:15] <cub> I was curious about the kernel question in the forums: linux-lowlatency is not optimal for servers. So, I would recommend to try using linux-generic instead.
[11:15] <cub> Why would the generic make any noticeable difference?
[11:15] <zequence_> linux-lowlatency has less throughput
[11:15] <zequence_> I've heard the number 10%
[11:16] <zequence_> It's good for single user desktop systems
[11:16] <cub> so generic would handle more stuff at the same time?
[11:16] <zequence_> yes
[11:16] <cub> aha
[11:16] <cub> I thought they were similar
[11:16] <zequence_> That's the cost of preemtion
[11:16] <zequence_> preemption
[11:17] <cub> ok
[11:19] <cub> How's the tooth healing going?
[11:19] <zequence_> Not sure yet. Might be better today
[11:19] <zequence_> Second day on penicillin
[11:19] <zequence_> No, third
[11:20] <zequence_> But it's been 48h+
[13:17] <cub> I saw you talked about the upcoming UDS
[13:17] <cub> any news?
[13:20] <cub> I'm confused if it will be a phsycial event as well as online?


[15:49] <dgroos> Good Morning.
[19:50] <dgroos> ... and Good Afternoon!
[20:13] <alkisg> Hey dgroos
[20:13] <alkisg> LTSP over wireless will be kinda slow, maybe *nx would fare better
[20:14] <dgroos> *nx?
[20:14] <dgroos> (video board still working?)
[20:16] <dgroos> alkisg: Possible, though?  How about with gigabit wireless with a ratio of 1 router to 10 clients?
[20:16] <alkisg> I stopped rebooting, it works if I just use suspend :D
[20:17] <alkisg> Sure, it's possible, as long as you have an appropriate initramfs locally, e.g. in a usb stick
[20:17] <alkisg> To check if the performance suffices, you can temporarily test with XDMCP, it has the same performance as ltsp
[20:18] <alkisg> I.e. enable xdmcp in /etc/gdm/custom.conf, and run X -query on e.g. 10 standalone clients over wireless
[20:18] <alkisg> I've never seen a gigabit wireless link so I don't know how that would perform
[20:25] <vmlintu> fat clients might perform better over wireless
[20:25] <dgroos> alkisg: Right, wireless N is rated at 300 MB/sec...
[20:26] <dgroos> Thanks for the ideas to try the XDMCP, I'll give that a go in the coming month or 2 and get back to the list.
[20:27] <dgroos> vmlintu: thanks for the idea--I would just need an additional 512 MB ram for each thin client I'm on and they should work fine (Pentinum 4's).
[20:27] <dgroos> brb
[20:58] <vmlintu> I should do some testing with fat clients over wireless some day too
[21:04] <alkisg> Some form of local image cloning + syncing is needed there, otherwise with regular 50mbps wireless they're slow
[21:05] <alkisg> I read a paper once about a modified nfs client that used lots of local caching, that would be ideal but I don't think they're maintaining it after the initial implementatino
[21:06] <mhall119> alkisg: IIRC, samba does a good job of local caching
[21:06] <alkisg> mhall119: that persists across reboots?
[21:06] <mhall119> probably not, no
[21:07] <alkisg> That wouldn't help then :(
[21:17] <dgroos> alkisg: when you say 'local image cloning + syncing' do you mean that the disk image would be stored on the USB flash drive, and that that image would be synched during each session?
[21:17] <alkisg> dgroos: yes, but ideally it wouldn't need to be synced as a whole, but only the parts that the clients needs to read each time
[21:18] <alkisg> So it wouldn't add any boot or other overhead
[21:19] <alkisg> E.g. the user would say "reserve 1 Gb on that usb stick for caching", and that'd be all, even if the fat client image was 10 Gb.
[21:25] <dgroos> So, this is LTSP with a fat client but 'X' is stored locally on a USB stick, with the parts of X updated as needed.  Not quite sure what this, "X" is, yet.  Are you saying that the USB stick would have 10 GB on it or 1 GB?
[21:28] <alkisg> 1
[21:28] <alkisg> $ free
[21:28] <alkisg>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[21:28] <alkisg> Mem:       4117336    3621892     495444          0     235892    2831324
[21:29] <alkisg> That "cached" column for RAM has the same meaning as disk caching
[21:29] <alkisg> It just speeds up the access when a slow link (in this case the network) exists
[21:31] <dgroos> ... So, the incrementally updated image might be about 1 gig only.  This 'cached' info, that's on RAM?  Thus the need for more than 2 GB RAM?  Or that could be on the USB stick?
[21:32] <alkisg> No no it's not related to RAM, I just tried to give a similar example
[21:33] <alkisg> The clients wouldn't need any additional RAM for that, the cache would be on the usb stick, stored asynchronously so that it wouldn't add any overhead
[21:34] <alkisg> E.g. when you have an 1 Gb image, and a client boots, it might read just 20-50 Mb
[21:34] <alkisg> It would store those on the stick, so the next time it booted it would just have to ask the server "has this part changed? no? then I'll read it from the stick, don't send it to me over the network"
[21:35] <dgroos> Right.  And stick access is pretty quick!
[21:35] <dgroos> alkisg: How much work/time do you see setting up something like this would take someone in-the-know?
[21:35] <alkisg> And scales well. And local disks could also be used (e.g. ntfs partitions), if available
[21:36] <alkisg> A lot, implementing properly a caching file system over the network is no easy task. E.g. that caching nfs-client was implemented but abandoned, I'm sure there's a reason behind it abandonment :D
[21:39] <dgroos> I wonder how important this feature would be to other educators?
[21:39] <dgroos> Other educators?
[21:41] <alkisg> A lot, it'd be useful for 100mbps networks too, and if implemented properly (with caching ldap) it would even allow a classroom to be still used when a server goes down
[21:42] <alkisg> (not exactly ltsp anymore...)
[21:46] <dgroos> It seems there would be *lots* of overlap, however.
[21:47] <alkisg> I think in Spain they chose to sync the image from the server on each boot instead of using ltsp, I imagine if such a thing was implemented they would use it too (thousands of installations there)
[22:01] <dgroos> There site is powered by plone... http://www.guadalinex.org/que-es-guadalinex
[22:08] <vmlintu> Maybe the ltsp image could be sync'ed in initramfs to local hard drive
[22:10] <vmlintu> That might be worth a try.. it'd take quite a long time to transfer a 10 gig fat client image, though..
[22:10] <dgroos> How often would this have to happen?
[22:10] <vmlintu> every time the image changes, I guess
[22:11] <vmlintu> Using rsync would probably shorten the time quite a bit, though
[22:11] <dgroos> could it be only the part that had changed--incremental I'm trying to say, somehow?
[22:12] <vmlintu> rsync transfers only the parts that have changed - we use that now to transfer ltsp images to our servers
[22:13] <dgroos> OK.  Could one use USB sticks instead of HD to increase speed, significantly?
[22:18] <vmlintu> most usb sticks I have tried have been slower than hard drives
[22:19] <alkisg> dgroos: are you mainly talking about thin or fat clients?
[22:19] <dgroos> vmlintu: I didn't know that!
[22:19] <alkisg> Because if you have enough bandwidth for thin clients (sending videos, X traffic etc) it would more than cover the networked-disk part... not much need for caching there
[22:21] <dgroos> Well, I'm very big into recycling older Pentium 3 and 4 machines so I would say for the near future thin clients using lots of localapps, but if it were just pentium 4's with a gig of RAM I'd say fat clients for sure.
[22:22] <alkisg> You put wireless cards to P3/P4? Wouldn't it be more effective to just add RAM to them?
[22:22] <dgroos> alkisg: not sure what you mean?
[22:22] <dgroos> We're not currently doing wireless!
[22:22] <alkisg> dgroos: e.g. sending a video to a thin client requires for example 50 mbps
[22:23] <alkisg> If you have 50 mbps bandwidth for each client, why use usb sticks?
[22:23] <dgroos> I would like to do that in future setups, I've got 2 more teachers that want a classroom set of 'computer-embedded-tables' :D
[22:25] <alkisg> We have that use case here too, the ministry decided that it wants to ship tables with wheels and netbooks on them, connected wirelessly to the rest of the school
[22:33] <dgroos> alkisg: if you want to look at the table I'm talking about (not on wheels nor sold at any reputable store!) check the bottom row of images on this page--I've changed this to a public folder for a bit so you can see it :)  http://gcos.mpls.k12.mn.us:8383/gcos/Members/mrg/imagess/
[22:34] <dgroos> Actually, none of the students are using the computers in the tables, I use these images to show that... regular class business can go on with these tables, too!
[22:34] <alkisg> dgroos: nice, but as in the local ministry proposal, I'd prefer a little larger tables, with an ltsp server on the bottom of each table ;)
[22:35] <alkisg> This way the netbooks/pcs/tablets/whatever there could have wired connections to the ltsp server, and the server be wirelessly connected to the internet
[22:39] <dgroos> And I down-sized my tables to get them to fit in a room, also I like the group dynamics at this size table.
[22:40] <dgroos> Excellent idea with the local ltsp server!
[22:40] <dgroos> I could make that work, maybe...
[22:41] <dgroos> Would a pentium 4 with 1 gig ram be enough for a 3-computer ltsp server?  Would sch-scripts still work on them?
[22:41] <dgroos> would it need a gig NIC?
[22:44] <alkisg> That server could have 3x100mbps network cards, I think that'd be cheaper than gigabit+switch+whatever
[22:45] <alkisg> sch-scripts would work, sure
[22:45] <alkisg> About the pentium 4 with 1 gb ram... well it would work, but I don't know if you'd be satisfied with the performance
[22:49] <dgroos> How about the performance if the other 3 were running as fat clients?  as localapps? if the server had 2 gigs ram?  I know you don't know from experience--just asking your best guess.
[22:51] <dgroos> just loaded a new pict at the above-mentioned link showing the table in use :)
[22:51] <dgroos> *as a computer-table.
[22:51] <alkisg> For fat clients, you can have a very old ltsp server with just 512 MB RAM and a fast disk
[22:52] <alkisg> No cpu/much ram is needed there
[22:52] <alkisg> Of course if you have 2 Gb, it'll be used for caching...
[22:53] <dgroos> regular 7200 fast *enough*?
[22:53] <alkisg> Sure
[22:54] <dgroos> I'll be doing tests on this in the next couple of months and report back :)
[22:54] <dgroos> I'll post related parts of this to my question on the list serve as well.
[22:55] <alkisg> dgroos: have you ever checked multiseat?
[22:55] <dgroos> multiseat?
[22:55] <alkisg> It allows a single pc to have lots of screens + mice + keyboards
[22:55] <alkisg> *Maybe* that's better suited to what you're trying to do
[22:56] <alkisg> Check the video there: http://www2.userful.com/products/userful-multiseat-linux
[22:56] <alkisg> There are multiple implementations, I just gave the link for the nice video
[22:57] <dgroos> Really!  I didn't know those existed though I'd conceived of them quite a few times...
[22:57] <dgroos> Thanks!  I'll be checking that out as well, and adding some notes to my blog...
[22:58] <dgroos> Thanks alkisg, vmlintu and mhall119!


[07:26] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:30] <Mikaela> hi
[09:32] <dionysus69> hello guys
[09:32] <dionysus69> I am interesting getting a ubuntu cloak, how should I proceed?
[09:44] <DJones> !member | dionysus69
[09:45] <DJones> dionysus69: Ubuntu cloaks are only given to Ubuntu members, but that link should point you in the right direction for looking into Ubuntu membership
[09:46] <DJones> If you're already a member and just need the cloak activating, wait around here and somebody should be able to do that for you when they see the request
[09:50] <dionysus69> DJones: well I am not a member yet but I have nick registered etc... my expertise is not yet sufficient for contribution but I am willing to contribute at some point, could I use cloak in that case ?
[09:51] <DJones> You have to go through the membership process before cloaks are given out, but if you follow that link, it'll give you details on what would count as a sustained contribution and you can direct your efforts in those directions that suit you
[09:52] <dionysus69> DJones: ok thanks :)


[02:25] <ReduxPhase> Hey guys! Quick question. I installed Ubuntu Budgie and it was awesome! But when I rebooted my laptop, it looked completely different. It no longer looked like it was Budgie. It looked like a stripped down version of it. Any ideas what happened?
[05:48] <elge> hello there.  I'm a sysadmin and infrastructure architect, I would like to contribute to your project
[05:48] <elge> here's my presentation: http://nethence.com/
[05:49] <elge> I've also got some experience in UX and Agile dev environments, working with programmers
[17:44] <fossfreedom> elge, hi and welcome - apologies for the delay in answering.


[09:49] <woglinde> hi
[09:49] <woglinde> I need some help with pppd and upstart 1.5
[09:52] <woglinde> when I use respawn upstart does not get the pid right
[12:21] <woglinde> okay I solved the problem myself, it was using updetach command in the pppd config
[17:51] <yann2> hello! I am looking at what would be the easiest way to run a script after system start - but just a one off, this is not a daemon that needs to be controlled
[17:51] <yann2> I ve written quite a few jobs that controlled daemons, but not sure how to do it just for a script
[21:41] <SpamapS> hm
[21:41] <SpamapS> salt-master stop/killed, process 2529
[21:41] <SpamapS> bad expect daemon in the salt-master upstart job..
[21:41] <SpamapS> but worse.. I've re-created pid 2529...
[21:41] <SpamapS> and upstart is not killing it
[21:42] <ion> spamaps: https://github.com/ion1/workaround-upstart-snafu
[21:42] <SpamapS> ion: thats what I used. :)
[21:42] <ion> huh
[21:42] <SpamapS> yeah the process just sat there
[21:43] <ion> (Well, Upstart isn’t supposed to kill it, but it *is* supposed to notice when it exits without a parent. I don’t know why that doesn’t happen.)
[21:45] <SpamapS> right hm
[21:46] <SpamapS> running again..
[21:46] <SpamapS> still can't believe this hasn't been fixed
[21:48] <ion> Alas, the development of things like that kind of slowed down when Keybuk moved to Google. Upstart also never gained support for states (which i find an essential part of the design in addition to just events).
[21:55] <ion> (States make it trivial to make the job C run whenever both job A and job B are running, no weird conditions with e.g. the event sequence A started, B started, B stopped, B started.)
[22:02] <SpamapS> ion: it did work a second time. Coudl be pebkac.. don't know
[22:04] <SpamapS> ion: Just FYI.. I was Canonical's server team upstart expert for a while.. quite familiar with the situation. I've written quite a few jobs myself. :)
[22:04] <SpamapS> ion: such as /etc/init/wait-for-state.conf :)
[22:04] <SpamapS> ion: upstart has intrinsic support for state. It does not, however, have a friendly way to use it. :)


[01:58] <Varc> Jerferx: Qu tal, yo soy parte de las Bug Squad. Cuentame bien que pasa
[02:00] <Varc> Jeferx**
[02:01] <Jeferx> Hey Varc, el problema que tengo según me dicen en ubuntu-es es un bug! Espera te muestro el mensaje que me sale cuando paso mi cursor sobre el nick de uno de mis contactos, esto se suma a que el sistema se congela cuando hago click sobre algún enlace!
[02:01] <Jeferx> http://i52.tinypic.com/2zeh0eg.png
[02:02] <Varc> Jeferx, Un aporte muy interesante, hay millones de bugs y trabajamos para resolverlos. Si puedes darme los datos de tu aMSN (Version)
[02:03] <Varc> yofel: Are you here? He have a bug or maybe just a problem
[02:04] <Jeferx> Varc, con mucho gusto, es esta: 0.98.3 (06-03-2010)
[02:04] <Jeferx> Varc, me explicarías como actualizarlo?
[02:04] <Varc> Jeferx: Muy amable gracias. Dejame verificar si hay actualizaciones disponibles
[02:06] <Varc> Bueno, en el centro de descargas donde se aplican las actualizaciones aparece tu version. De igual manera eso es parte de las actualizaciones que salen al iniciar el SO
[02:06] <Varc> Te recomiendo algo si no lo tienes, ve al centro de descargas y a la seccion de aMSN lego instalale los complementos que ahi salen
[02:10] <yofel> Varc: half asleep but what's the problem? (I don't speak spanish)
[02:11] <Varc> yofel: the guys of the Ubuntu-es Channel are helping him. But the problem is in the aMSN 0.98.3. when he do click in any link the PC don't work
[02:12] <Varc> Is a clear bug because the aMSN send him this Message box
[02:12] <Varc> http://i52.tinypic.com/2zeh0eg.png
[02:12] <Varc> Is in spanish but say:
[02:12] <Varc> No, my english is not so good
[02:12] <Varc> IO can't say you
[02:12] <Varc> I**
[02:12] <yofel> maybe he can try 0.98.4?
[02:13] <yofel> depending on the release he's on
[02:13] <yofel> since we have 0.98.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1 in maverick-backports
[02:14] <Jeferx> Varc, gracias bro, nos vemos luego!!
[02:14] <Varc> Yes, the guys in the other channel are helping him with it.
[02:14] <Varc> Jerferx: Gracias a ti amigo, nos vemos
[02:15] <Varc> Are you sleeping? or just is a morning in your country?
[02:16] <yofel> it's 03:15am and I'll be going to bed any moment now ;)
[02:17] <Varc> Just go brother. He don't need nothing importand and you need sleep
[02:29] <Varc> !es
[02:29] <ubot2> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.
[12:03] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone help with LP 608515 ? It is happening on my maverick system. I just tried with a natty VM, and that problem does not happen. What I fear is that the problem would still persist even when I upgrade my system to natty.
[12:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608515 in empathy "Can't establish audio or video calls" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608515
[16:09] <AnAnt> ping
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> bug watch updater seems backlogged.. lol.. or just finally got a fd.o code
[16:30] <bcurtiswx_> om26er, hey
[16:31] <om26er> hello bcurtiswx_
[16:32] <bcurtiswx_> om26er, empathy 2.9x.x will be in the GNOME3 PPA.  Because of this, if you see any bugs that have fixes in the 2.9x.x code then we can try backporting them into natty
[16:33] <bcurtiswx_> since natty won't have 2.9x.x
[16:33] <om26er> bcurtiswx_, how about that notification bug ;)
[16:33] <om26er> would be good to have
[16:34] <bcurtiswx_> om26er, it's fixed in natty, but isn't that a indicate bug not empathy?
[16:34] <bcurtiswx_> or are you talking about the double notif in the IM window?
[16:34] <om26er> hmm no, the other
[16:34] <om26er> "login notifications are poorly formed"
[16:34] <om26er> or something like that
[16:35] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, remember the bug # ?
[16:36] <om26er> bug 582757
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582757 in empathy "Notifications for login and logout poorly formed" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582757
[16:38] <bcurtiswx_> OK, yes let me see if i can find that commit
[16:43] <GrueMaster> Why is Bug Watch Updater changing the importance of a bug that is 3 years old and has been marked Fix Released 2 years ago?
[16:43] <GrueMaster> Bug 204567
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 204567 in hundredpapercuts "Downloads should go to ~/Downloads" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204567
[16:45] <bcurtiswx_> GrueMaster, I think BWU is on a backlog of things..
[16:45]  * bcurtiswx_ shrugs
[16:45] <charlie-tca> GrueMaster: it is updating the bugwatchj for the freedesktop bug
[16:46] <GrueMaster> ah.
[16:56] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm not certain what wen awry with my merge proposal but I added a patch to bug 702455 also.
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702455 in launchpad-integration "Help Menu: sending a bug fail" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702455
[16:56] <bdmurray> oh, I must be behind ;-)
[17:01] <seb128> bdmurray, hey
[17:02] <seb128> bdmurray, I've fixed it a bit differently
[17:02] <bdmurray> seb128: yes, I saw the bug now.  thanks
[17:02] <seb128> you're welcome
[17:02] <seb128> not sure what vcs you pulled but there was less revision than in the official vcs
[17:29] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone help with LP 608515 ? It is happening on my maverick system. I just tried with a natty VM, and that problem does not happen. What I fear is that the problem would still persist even when I upgrade my system to natty.
[17:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608515 in empathy "Can't establish audio or video calls" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608515
[17:36] <charlie-tca> AnAnt: you can make the calls in the natty VBox?
[17:36] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: yup
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Probably got fixed by the upgrade. there is a new empathy in -proposed for maverick, if you want to try it
[17:39] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: I got -proposed enabled
[17:39] <AnAnt> apt-cache policy doesn't show empathy in -proposed
[17:39] <charlie-tca> do you have empathy 2.32.1-0ubuntu1.1 already, then?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Natty does have a minor upgrade from that, though
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Natty is 2.32.2-0ubuntu6, so maybe the bug got fixed in it
[17:42] <AnAnt> ah, empathy must have been uploaded today then, I see it now
[17:44] <charlie-tca> yeah, about 7 hours ago
[17:45] <charlie-tca> let us know if that fixes it, so we can add it to the bug report?
[17:46] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: actually I am talking to upstream #empathy@GIMPNet
[17:46] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: someone told me that I am missing the valve gst element, which seems to be true
[17:46] <AnAnt> but I don't understand the reason
[17:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know, myself
[17:53] <AnAnt> ok, I think I found the problem
[17:53] <AnAnt> it's in my gstreamer set
[17:53] <AnAnt> rebuilding the -good package
[17:57] <bdmurray> mvo: could you look at bug 706050? it has a simple patch
[17:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706050 in aptdaemon "progress indicator sometimes says "Downloading Packages Packages"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706050
[18:17] <giantpune> hi, i am using ubuntu 10.04 amd64.  and i have a small, cosmetic bug that im hoping somebody can help me with
[18:18] <giantpune> my box has 8GB of RAM.  but the system resource window reports it at 7.8GB
[18:20] <giantpune> is this a cas of the manufacturer using 1000 instead of 1024 to divide by?  or is it possible an error in the program that is doing the math?
[18:21] <AnAnt> fixed !
[18:26] <charlie-tca> AnAnt: great! could you add what you did to the bug report?
[18:32] <AnAnt> yup
[18:34] <charlie-tca> thank you
[18:49] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: done, should I triage the bug ?
[18:50] <AnAnt> or maybe invalidate ?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Is that something that should be backported to maverick? If so, triage it
[18:53] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: no, I don't think so
[18:54] <charlie-tca> we don't need to backport the gstreamer-good from natty to fix it?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> then we can mark it invalid
[18:55] <AnAnt> I don't think so
[19:27] <mvo> bdmurray: will do now
[20:21] <hggdh> perhaps I am sort of late for giantpune's Q. The answer is "this is usually memory reserved for other uses"
[20:21] <hggdh> shouldn't really be too late, just two hours
[20:22] <Varc> And you are talking with... xD
[20:22] <hggdh> Varc: even if the OP is no here anymore, the answer is
[20:23]  * hggdh wonders why people are so hasty, requiring answers as soon as a Q is asked
[20:23] <Varc> xD
[20:23]  * Varc Think hggdh need a new answer and name
[20:24] <hggdh> heh. There is a whole story on my name, literally
[20:24] <hggdh> er, nick
[20:25] <Varc> Hmm. varc mean my name but hggdk can't mean your name
[20:25] <hggdh> hggdH
[20:25] <hggdh> not k
[20:25] <hggdh> :-)
[20:25] <hggdh> but it is not my name, no
[20:26] <Varc> So, what is
[20:26] <hggdh> a word in an old language
[20:26] <Varc> I see, hmm What mean the word?
[20:27] <hggdh> story, or telling (the story)
[20:27] <Varc> Ohh. Interesant
[20:28] <Varc> What old lenguage
[20:28] <hggdh> heh
[20:28] <Varc> heh ?
[20:28] <hggdh> all pointers are here :-)
[20:28] <hggdh> now go search :-)
[20:28] <Varc> Jajajajaja. I will
[20:30] <Varc> hggdh: Are you sure is a lenguage? Wikipedia say god xD
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Varc: that is pretty close to hggdh then. When he talks, we listen
[20:33] <jibel> bdmurray, Hi, you filed bug 705975 few days ago, any clue why apport reported it against initramfs-tools ? there are a lot of bugs wrongly affected to initramfs-tools  by apport recently
[20:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705975 in initramfs-tools "package libctpl2 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libctpl.so.2', which is also in package libctpl1 0.3-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705975
[20:34] <Varc> Hmm.i think he was drunk and put that name xD
[20:34]  * micahg can vouch for hggdh's nick
[20:36] <bdmurray> jibel: nope I just did what apport told me
[20:38] <jibel> bdmurray, hm weird, maybe it has been confused by the update-initramfs error higher in the log.
[20:43] <bdmurray> jibel: are all the wrong initramfs-tools bugs about libtctpl or other things too?
[20:43] <jibel> bdmurray, no random packages, I've started to collect information on bug 580419
[20:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 580419 in apport "apport used wrong source package when filing package installation failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580419
[20:45] <bdmurray> jibel: cool, it should be rather easy to find these wrong ones
[20:47] <jibel> bdmurray, last week there has been an important installation failure of console-setup affecting a lot of users which could explain the high number of failures of apport this week
[20:47] <awardle> What do you do if there is spam placed in the comments of a bug?
[20:50] <hggdh> charlie-tca: easy there, man, I am just human ;-)
[20:50] <hggdh> Varc: I am very sure if is a word in an old language
[20:52] <hggdh> awardle: you check other bugs touched by the commenter; if you see more spam, you open a question to launchpad on answers.launchapd.net asking the commenter to be blocked
[20:52] <hggdh> Varc: another hint: haggadah
[20:53] <awardle> Thanks
[20:53] <jibel> bdmurray, there is a logic error is apport line 83 of data/general-hook/ubuntu.py . We should apply the regex to the last installation session only not the full term.log
[20:53] <hggdh> awardle: yw
[20:55] <charlie-tca> hggdh: you sure of that?
[20:55] <hggdh> charlie-tca: sure of what? The spam?
[20:55] <bdmurray> jibel: ah, yes I see it
[20:55] <charlie-tca> no... the "just human" part ;-)
[20:56] <hggdh> charlie-tca: It has been firmly brought to my attention -- today, indeed -- that I am just human ;-)
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I see


[16:30] <j1mc> hi all - i don't think this is valid docbook, but it "works" ...
[16:30] <j1mc> <!ENTITY acro-read '<menuchoice><guimenu>Applications</guimenu><guimenuitem>Graphics</guimenuitem><guimenuitem>Acrobat Reader</guimenuitem></menuchoice>'>
[16:30] <j1mc> it starts with guimenu, but shouldn't the next item be guisubmenu?
[16:30] <j1mc> instead of guimenuitem?
[16:30] <j1mc> i think guimenuitem is supposed to only be for the terminal menu item.
[18:55] <Bassetts> hi


[00:53] <tomf> I installed xubuntu on this old XPS 16 with an ATI Radeon HD 3670 and the fans are running at full speed, despite the temps being normal. Where should I look first to fix this?
[00:57] <well_laid_lawn> tomf:  does it happen with the propriety driver ?
[00:57] <well_laid_lawn> !amd
[00:58] <tomf> I haven't installed that yet. It said it had dependencies -- but then another forum post mentioned that the props weren't supported. I figured I'd ask before moving ahead with that, just in case
[00:59] <tomf> thanks, well_laid_lawn -- I'll give it a swing
[00:59] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[16:26] <xubuntu41w> Hi all, I'm using Xubuntu 18.04 with Staging PPA and currently I cannot login. Some applications crashed, according to /var/crash. Earlier today quite a lot packages were upgraded. Before that login was OK (although I had occasional xfwm or panel crashes, but that didn't impact the functionality). Do you have any idea how I could fix it, or where I
[16:26] <xubuntu41w>  could start troubleshooting?
[16:45] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: check ~/.xsession-errors
[16:46] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: just to clarify: you cannot login or the desktop cannot be loaded?
[16:50] <xubuntu41w> I can login on the tty1 etc. but the desktop is not loaded. ~/.xsession-errors has some warnings and also critical, but those are from my current session (I installed openbox to get an Desktop)
[16:51] <brainwash> ~/.xsession-errors.old for previous session
[16:55] <xubuntu41w> the .crash-files are from xfwm, xfce4-session and Xorg. According to the timestamps Xorg crashed first, then xfwm and xfce4-session later. In .xsession-errors.old ther's some more lines, but I think there also from a later login:
[16:55] <xubuntu41w> (nm-applet:12368): Gtk-WARNING **: 18:02:32.651: Can't set a parent on widget which has a parent(0x7ffcfe6eab50) Warning: The X11 connection broke (error 1). Did the X11 server die?Gdk-Message: 18:02:41.205: light-locker: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.Gdk-Message: 18:02:41.207: update-notifier: Fatal IO error 1
[16:55] <xubuntu41w> 1 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[16:56] <xubuntu41w> I could try to login to Xubuntu again and check xsession-errors
[16:56] <xubuntu41w> let me check ...
[17:03] <xubuntu41w> oh yeah, there's a lot: https://pastebin.com/rNSN9TPE
[17:05] <brainwash> ICE I/O Error
[17:08] <xubuntu41w> what about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107117
[17:08] <xubuntu41w> xfwm4: ../src/mesa/drivers/dri/i965/intel_mipmap_tree.c:1285: intel_miptree_match_image: Assertion `image->TexObject->Target == mt->target' failed.
[17:09] <xubuntu41w> today and Mesa upgrade to 18.1 was coming via ubuntu-updates
[17:11] <brainwash> sadly, no clue
[17:12] <brainwash> it does not appear that this prevents xfwm4 from working
[17:12] <brainwash> you could disable the compositor and check again
[17:12] <brainwash> xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/use_compositing -s false
[17:13] <xubuntu41w> ok. i will try that. what would the ICE I/O error mean?
[17:13] <brainwash> the ICE error could be related to .Xauthority not being owned by your user I think
[17:14] <brainwash> but you are able to login to a different DE/WM
[17:15] <xubuntu41w> (and the mesa-upgrade was from 18.
[17:16] <xubuntu41w> (and the mesa-upgrade was to 19.0.2). yes, I can login to openbox
[17:17] <brainwash> regular update or PPA also?
[17:19] <xubuntu41w> i have some PPAs: Xubuntu Staging, Mongodb and Unifi. But I guess they are unrelated. I will now try disabling the compositor and maybe also using Oibaf-PPA to get another Mesa version
[17:20] <brainwash> downgrading packages should be possible via "sudo apt install <package>=<version_string>"
[17:20] <brainwash> "apt policy <package>" for a list of available versions
[17:20] <xubuntu41w> ah, ok. that's maybe better than upgrading to Oibaf
[17:21] <brainwash> this may be tricky though if a package relies on various dependencies which may need to be downgraded also
[17:22] <brainwash> ppa-purge can uninstall all packages from a PPA
[17:22] <brainwash> and restore the original ones
[17:22] <brainwash> ideally at least :)
[17:24] <xubuntu41w> hmmm, ok. thanks for tips. I will try some things and come back. thanks!
[17:27] <xubuntu41w> great, disabling the compositor worked!
[17:32] <brainwash> so, a problem with mesa most likely
[17:32] <brainwash> compositor tries to use opengl by default
[17:39] <xubuntu41w> would a bug report be useful?
[17:43] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: other than the linked one?
[17:44] <brainwash> (which I did not actually read)
[17:45] <xubuntu41w> the linked one is for Mesa 18.1 and was fixed. Would be interesting if anybody else with Bionic and Xubuntu Staging PPA has the same issue
[18:07] <xubuntu41w> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1835622
[18:30] <Heiner1> Hello
[18:31] <Heiner1> Maybe someone may help me
[18:33] <Heiner1> I would like to upgrade xubuntu from 16.04 lts to the newest lts (I guess it's 18.04), therefore I found this description for ubuntu:
[18:33] <Heiner1> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver
[18:34] <Heiner1> Is it possible to follow the same steps for xubuntu? Or would I have after following these steps an ubuntu-system (and no xubuntu) on my machine?
[18:47] <Heiner1> So could someone help me with that?
[18:49] <brainwash> Heiner1: should work for xubuntu too
[18:49] <brainwash> xubuntu is ubuntu after all
[18:50] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: I suggest that you open a report on the Xfce bug tracker also https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[18:51] <brainwash> xubuntu41w: that way the xfwm4 dev can look into your issue
[18:51] <xubuntu41w> brainwash: ok, i will do that. thanks for your help!
[18:52] <brainwash> you're welcome
[18:57] <Heiner1> Ah, thank you very much, brainwash. I just wondered, because after putting "sudo do-release-upgrade" to the console, it says it has to download 3.174 MB, 712 new packages are going to be installed. Well I know it depends on what is installed on my system right now (which seems to me not soo much more than the standard XUbuntu-Version), but it seemed to me quit a lot. Well, but if I will have xubuntu after all on my system I will tr
[18:59] <brainwash> >712 new packages
[18:59] <brainwash> quite a big number
[19:23] <Heiner1> Ok, thank you, bye!
[23:02] <tomf> when running sensors, if the machine pauses for a second, is that related to a bios issue?
[23:07] <tomreyn> tomf: the "sensors" CLI from lm-sensors? anything in dmesg when you do?
[23:11] <tomf> CLI
[23:12] <tomf> one sec. checking dmesg
[23:13] <tomf> nothing new in dmesg
[23:16] <tomreyn> tomf: then ... it might be a hardware or firmware or driver issue, or nothing at all. ;)
[23:17] <tomreyn> if you have (other?) reasons to assume your hardware or firmware is affected by anything impacting its stability, you could run benchmarks to rule that out (or proove it).
[23:18] <tomf> for the sake of sanity, let's just assume the latter. I'm not sure which temps the fans are supposed to come on at, but I'm running around 52C on the high end, 43C on the low end, but the fans are constantly running around 2800RPM
[23:18] <tomreyn> you could run a memory test (the current free but not open source variant from https://www.memtest86.com/ )
[23:19] <tomreyn> i'd also suggest you review the system log, espoecially the boot.
[23:19] <tomreyn> + check for ifrmware updates
[23:21] <tomf> ok cool. I'll dig in. This is my old laptop from about ten years ago. Pretty much everything worked perfectly out of the box
[23:21] <tomf> I even have my magic trackpad 2 working like a dream
[23:27] <tomf> thanks tomreyn!
[23:29] <tomreyn> tomf: good luck, don't despair.
[23:30] <tomreyn> if it's the only issue, it's probably not worth it. on the other side, if you have spare time, it's well worth getting a better understanding of this (if it's new to you).
[23:32] <tomreyn> journalctl -b   gets you the logs on currently supported xubuntu releases.


[01:32] <Nations_> hallo
[01:34] <Nations_> so im so confused does this even work
[01:40] <Nations__> hay
[07:32] <AskUbuntu> How to run latest Ubuntu touch development release on bq phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/603005
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <brunch875> good morning!
[08:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! :-D
[09:28] <zzarr> hello! my phone (Motorola Droid 4, xt894) is running android 4.1.2 on the stock rom, how ever I have a rom running CyanogenMod, is there a simple way to "update" CM to Ubuntu? (a fake update that uses the Android parts from CM needed for Ubuntu and removes the rest)
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !devices | zzarr
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: you can try the XDA forums if someone ported your device perhaps
[09:29] <zzarr> thanks, I'll have a look, other why's I'll have to try to port it my self (which I don't know how)
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: well thats not really easy, but im sure there's a porting guide somewhere
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: check also #snappy ubuntu core, might also be interesting
[09:30] <zzarr> I'll do :)
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> Se7: morning
[09:32] <Se7> morning :)
[09:33] <zzarr> I'v read the porting guide for a new device (reading is one thing, understanding how is another ;) )
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: there's an image already for droid 4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/maserati
[09:33] <zzarr> it's from 2013 ;)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: maybe email that davidhacker guy, he might know more about it :p
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: youtube doesnt show anything usefull either, only an old touch preview on droid 4
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> chat is crowded today 304 :p
[09:55] <Se7> guys i ve got no data source available in the circle of bq phone...someone said it s a bug but i don t find it to subscrive ;/
[09:55] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, I know, sorry for a delayed answer, my internet is jumpy
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> Se7: not all data shows up in the circle, try some twitter msges or new pictures
[09:57] <Se7> no lotuspsychje because if you didn t send nothing
[09:57] <Se7> he tell you like no message send
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> Se7: not sure then might be bug
[09:58] <AskUbuntu> Cannot run QML App with C++ plugin | http://askubuntu.com/q/603050
[09:58] <davmor2> Se7: it will show that till something trigger stats
[09:58] <Se7> yes ogra_ yesterday said that but i was chatting from the phone
[09:59] <Se7> so i haven t the log
[09:59] <ogra_> davmor2, it should still show something else if you double tap the circle ...
[09:59] <popey> Se7: tap the screen a couple of times
[10:00] <Se7> nothing popey i tryed
[10:00] <davmor2> ogra_: not if nothing has triggered stats,  if there is 0 stats it says there is no data
[10:01] <davmor2> Se7: complete a game of sudoku and see if that show up
[10:01] <davmor2> Se7: or make a call/sms/take a picture/make a video
[10:01] <Se7> did it nothing happen
[10:01] <popey> play some music
[10:02] <Se7> from an app popey or the music that i got in the phone
[10:03] <popey> open the music app and play a few songs
[10:03] <Se7> ok
[10:03] <popey> then lock phone, and see if it updates
[10:03] <Se7> right i ll tell you in a bit if change something
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> Se7: is that the legit BQ or did you install a channel on the BQ android version?
[10:10] <Se7> lotuspsychje, it s the bq legit
[10:10] <Se7> and popey nothing change after played the song
[10:12] <Se7> dit a pic as well send couple of messages
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Se7: did you try a reboot?
[10:13] <Se7> yep
[10:13] <Se7> i ll try again
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Se7: install the logviewer maybe to see whats wrong
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Se7: or open a terminal an tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:14] <Se7> rebbot just a sec
[10:14] <Se7> reboot*
[10:16] <Se7> how i can show you lotuspsychje the log??
[10:19] <AlanBell> how do I put a click package on my device without uploading it to the store?
[10:20] <nhaines> AlanBell: push it to the device and then use pkcon?
[10:21] <nhaines> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foobar.click
[10:21] <AlanBell> better question, where on developer.ubuntu.com should I have read that :)
[10:21] <AlanBell> thanks for the answer nhaines
[10:21] <nhaines> Maybe we can link to the channel logs.  :)
[10:22] <AlanBell>  /o\
[10:22] <nhaines> You're welcome.  I know it mainly because I loaded up the bq-exclusive scopes on our N4s at SCALE.  :)
[10:22] <AlanBell> the webapp generator needs to end with "now test your package by doing . . ." and not "yay, all done, upload it to the store quick"
[10:22] <nhaines> So I typed it over and over.
[10:23] <nhaines> AlanBell: +1
[10:24] <popey> davidcalle: ^^^ see comment from AlanBell which I 100% agree with :)
[10:24] <popey> AlanBell: you could file a bug against developer.ubuntu.com :)
[10:24] <AlanBell> "This form generates simple Ubuntu webapps, ready to upload to the store."
[10:24] <AlanBell> it really doesn't :)
[10:25] <davidcalle> AlanBell, technically, it does ;-) I agree with your comment.
[10:25] <AlanBell> ready to install on your device prior to uploading to the store perhaps
[10:27] <davidcalle> "Ready to install, test and upload to the store."
[10:27] <AlanBell> sure. Plus some kind of link to how the heck you do that
[10:27] <davidcalle> Yep
[10:27] <AlanBell> it is some distance from being bleeding obvious :)
[10:28] <nhaines> Fairly intuitive, I'd say!
[10:28] <davidcalle> AlanBell, it will be a link to an AskUbuntu question so feel free to enhance the answer if needed ;-)
[10:29] <nhaines> First you go to one.ubunt.com and sign up, then you go into System Settings > Accounts and log into Ubuntu One.  Then you go to the store and download Terminal.  Then you enable security and Developer mode.  Then on your PC you install the phablet tools PPA and install the package...
[10:29] <tvoss> o/
[10:29] <nhaines> Well, long story short, just a couple simple steps and you're ready.  ;)
[10:30] <mpt> tvoss, I have an architecture question about Ubuntu Touch in general. Are you the right person to ask?
[10:31] <AlanBell> nhaines: yeah, I think I guessed most of those, I just had no idea about pkcon and I wasn't expecting  "dpkg -i" to work on a click
[10:32] <tvoss> mpt, yup
[10:32] <AlanBell> bug 1438123
[10:33] <davidcalle> Thanks AlanBell
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell: might want to ask a question on AU about "how do I install a click package on a device" and we can flesh out a good answer
[10:34] <popey> which can then be linked to
[10:34] <mpt> tvoss, in bug 1403934, the screenshot function didn’t work during the first-run setup. And in bug 1430942, the power dialog didn’t work during the first-run setup.
[10:35] <mpt> tvoss, the diff to fix the former was 3248 lines, so I can’t tell what it does, but the diff to fix the latter is quite obviously duplicating code that is already in Unity.
[10:35] <zzarr> can someone give me a push in the correct direction, is it possible to install Ubuntu over CM? (simply remove some files and add other files)
[10:36] <ogra_> no
[10:36] <nhaines> zzarr: no.
[10:37] <zzarr> Is it possible to use the vendor's files? (drivers, etc)
[10:37] <mpt> tvoss, this makes me think that whenever a function is added to Unity that should work everywhere — an accessibility function, or a system error notification, or whatever — engineers have to remember to duplicate it in the first-run setup too, and quite often they’ll forget. Am I worrying too much?
[10:37] <tvoss> mpt, someone already addressed that concern
[10:38] <tvoss> mpt, citing from the mp comments: Convert the welcome wizard from a separate executable into a qml plugin (with a small C++ plugin for support).
[10:38] <tvoss> mpt, with that, code duplication ends, and the wizard is a part of u8
[10:39] <tvoss> mpt, but please note: only on vivid, so going forward, we are good
[10:39] <mpt> tvoss, ah, so the “only on vivid” is why the ubuntu-rtm bug fix is still adding code
[10:39] <tvoss> mpt, yup
[10:40] <mpt> tvoss, great. Thanks for assuaging my concern. :-)
[10:40] <AlanBell> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/603068/having-generated-a-webapp-with-the-generator-how-do-i-test-my-click-on-the-devi
[10:40] <popey> ta
[10:40] <tvoss> mpt, happy to help :)
[10:48] <AskUbuntu> having generated a webapp with the generator, how do I test my click on the device? | http://askubuntu.com/q/603068
[10:49] <nhaines> "First you upload it directly to the store..."
[10:49] <popey> First you get a chicken and some chalk...
[10:49]  * AlanBell looks for the chalk
[10:50] <ogra_> "...then you add a high price ... so you can be sure users testing will notify you if it is broken"
[10:50] <AlanBell> does it have to be the white chicken that glows on the camera?
[10:52] <popey> I can't reproduce that bug as I have no white (or other coloured) chickens
[10:53] <AlanBell> might be easier to reproduce if the same thing happens with cats
[10:53] <popey> That may have to be filed as a separate bug as cats are clearly not chickens
[10:53] <Se7> sorry guys after installed phablet tools to connect the phone to pc i have to open terminal and type adb shell right?
[10:54] <popey> Se7: what's the goal?
[10:54] <Se7> popey, show you <lotuspsychje> Se7: or open a terminal an tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:54] <Se7> from the phone
[10:55] <popey> not sure what you're hoping to get from that.
[10:55] <Se7> about the no data source available in the circle
[11:23] <Se7> you think i should report "no data source available" in the circle as a bug?
[11:58] <robin-hero> I read somewhere last week there will be one more OTA update this week? Is it true?
[12:02] <ogra_> robin-hero, sil2100 sends a daily landing team status email to the ubuntu-phone mailing list with such info in it
[12:03] <ogra_> (and yes, the plan is to have a new OTA image ready this week, i'm not sure if it will also release this week or next though (bq might want to sign it off first :) )
[12:05] <robin-hero> ogra: thanks, I'll read the emails
[12:05] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, ^^^ do we know ?
[12:06] <ogra_> it would probably make sense to take bq signoff into account in the mail announcements :)
[12:08] <AlanBell> is there a plan to get speech dispatcher into the phone?
[12:09] <robin-hero> AlanBell: That would be fantastic! I searched it for long minutes last night, then I realized it is not my Android phone :D
[12:09] <ogra_> long term we surely want voice output ... weather that will speech-dispatcher will need research
[12:10] <ogra_> *will be
[12:10] <AlanBell> I don't think there needs to be an on-device synth
[12:10] <AlanBell> but speech-dispatcher is the common interface and you can point it at remote synths, like OpenMary
[12:10] <ogra_> right, it is more about "how well does a tchnology play in a mobile env"
[12:11] <AlanBell> and Ubuntu could run an openmary server for the phones which would be cool
[12:11] <AlanBell> not just for accessibility, but turn by turn instructions on sat nav etc
[12:11] <ogra_> yep
[12:12] <ogra_> we definitely want some kind of voice output, as i said ...
[12:16] <AlanBell> ooh, just installed speech-dispatcher (which pulls in some espeak stuff for no good reason) and espeak on the device is nasty
[12:17] <davmor2> AlanBell: and will likely get completely broken the minute you get an update
[12:18] <AlanBell> davmor2: sure, totally understand making it writeable means I get broken
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, I'm not sure there is a final schedule. it may be next week
[12:25] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, right, i think we should adjust the expectations ... and that ... when we say "this week" it really means "this week we hand the image to the vendor for final signoff"
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> not 'signoff' - a QA pass. so there can always be variables introduced at that point
[12:26] <ogra_> right, if they find some issue it might even be delayed longer
[12:28] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i just want to avoid that a lynch mob shows up at sil2100's doorstep: "but you said this week !!"
[12:28] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, indeed. that would be wise
[12:32] <AlanBell> davmor2: I want to try and bolt it on to something like this http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:59125/process?INPUT_TEXT=This+is+a+perfectly+capable+synth+for+Ubuntu+Phone&INPUT_TYPE=TEXT&OUTPUT_TYPE=AUDIO&LOCALE=en_US&AUDIO=WAVE_FILE
[12:32] <AlanBell> I wrote some stuff ages ago on linking speech dispatcher with remote synths http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/speak-to-me/
[12:34] <AlanBell> feel free to play with it here http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:59125/
[12:50] <AskUbuntu> GPS unvailable on aquaris E45 | http://askubuntu.com/q/603101
[13:13] <sil2100> ogra_, john-mcaleely: yeah, we plan preparing OTA-3 this week, but it might essentially be released to stable around Monday/next week
[13:13] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, I would bet on later than Monday, given all the easter holidays in various parts of EU
[13:13] <sil2100> Right
[13:14] <sil2100> Indeed :)
[13:16] <AskUbuntu> VOIP client on the Ubuntu-Phone bq Aquaris? | http://askubuntu.com/q/603117
[13:18] <tsdgeos> milli: how do i get the  ubuntu_calculator_app autopilot tests?
[13:18] <tsdgeos> err
[13:18] <tsdgeos> milli: sorry
[13:18] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ↑↑↑↑↑
[13:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos: sorry, it's missing from the bug report. run phablet-click-test-setup from host.
[13:19] <Mirv> tsdgeos: for calculator only, phablet-click-test-setup --click com.ubuntu.calculator
[13:19] <tsdgeos> on the phone or desktop?
[13:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ^ "from host" ie desktop
[13:20] <tsdgeos> ok
[13:20] <tsdgeos> sorry i didn't read the whole snetence ^D
[13:24] <pmcgowan> popey, on that whoopsie thing, can you check the syslog for denials,
[13:24] <popey> pmcgowan: seb128 and didrocks looked at it earlier, it's likely because the whoopsie config file isn't writable.
[13:24] <popey> (but yet, will look)
[13:25] <popey> pmcgowan: nothing appears in the syslog when I flip the switch
[13:25] <didrocks> popey: you don't need to look syslogs, we have a good understand of the issue I guess now (and yeah, it never worked on a ro image)
[13:26] <popey> ok.
[13:26] <didrocks> understanding*
[13:26] <pmcgowan> didrocks, popey it works on both my phones, why is that?
[13:27] <popey> yours is rw?
[13:27] <pmcgowan> no
[13:27] <pmcgowan> well
[13:27] <popey> has it ever been?
[13:27] <pmcgowan> let me double check
[13:27] <popey> heh
[13:27] <popey> bet it is :)
[13:27] <didrocks> I guess it's been, or we are completely on the wrong track, which I doubt
[13:29] <popey> well, my device is a stock bq retail device with no mucking about :)
[13:29] <popey> so I'd expect this to be what bq customers will experience
[13:29] <popey> (and someone else just confirmed this in -uk) ( he asked why some switches revert, I asked which one, and had the bug number ready to paste )
[13:29] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'm getting apparmor issues when running the calculator tests, do you get those?
[13:29] <didrocks> popey: you forget the "popey's effect" though :p
[13:29] <popey> true!
[13:30] <popey> his is running the shipped version, no updates installed yet
[13:30] <pmcgowan> popey, ro
[13:30]  * popey shrugs then
[13:30] <didrocks> hum
[13:30]  * didrocks is puzzled
[13:30] <pmcgowan> I can reflash the krillin
[13:30] <didrocks> well, at least, we know we should fix this
[13:30] <didrocks> let's do that
[13:30] <didrocks> and then refine
[13:30] <didrocks> seb told he will deal with the simple MP
[13:31] <pmcgowan> didrocks, did we see that this path is not in the rw set?
[13:31] <didrocks> pmcgowan: yeah, the file is not
[13:31] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10706760/
[13:31] <didrocks> pmcgowan: it's more complex for vivid though, as there are 2 files, and one may not exist at boot
[13:31] <didrocks> we need to test how our ro system handles this (if it does…)
[13:32] <didrocks> file doesn't exist -> no way to remount it rw, I'm quite afraid about that one
[13:39] <bfiller> seb128: was there ever a bug filed for the issues folks on g+ were having sending reply from messaging-menu?
[13:39] <bfiller> folks having issues I mean
[13:46] <seb128> bfiller, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1437486
[13:49] <bfiller> seb128: thank you
[13:49] <seb128> bfiller, yw!
[13:49] <bfiller> salem_: ^^^ we need to help figure out what is going on here. I cannot reproduce but apparently the customer cna
[13:50] <salem_> bfiller, ok, let me take a look
[13:53] <seb128> bfiller, salem_, btw, is there anything special to do on telephony-service to have mps reviewed? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/telephony-service/dont-unref-gvariant/+merge/252415 is a one liner waiting for 20 days without comment :-/
[13:53] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, when a test fails those are shown here too. when a test does not fail, those are not shown.
[13:54] <Mirv> tsdgeos: oh, no, correction
[13:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: no, I don't have AppArmor problems, just normal did not receive an reply errors
[13:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: please run phablet-config autopilot --dbus-probe enable
[13:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: and try again
[13:55] <salem_> seb128, I might have missed the notification about this MR, I will take a look.
[13:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'm using lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit's test script that takes care of that too, but it's probably that thing ^
[13:55] <seb128> salem_, thanks
[13:56] <Mirv> tsdgeos: updating bug once again with that
[13:57] <tsdgeos> Mirv: yeah that's better
[13:57] <tsdgeos> meh the calculator ap tests only pass in english
[13:57]  * tsdgeos reboots the phone
[13:59] <Mirv> oh, that's yet another thing I've also learned the hard way
[14:06] <AlanBell> is there a way to mark a webapp as being OK to continue to run and play audio when the screen is off?
[14:07] <ogra_> not yet, no
[14:07] <ogra_> once oxide uses media-hub for audio and video playback this will work though
[14:07] <davmor2> Mirv: were you taught that 1+1=11?  did they tell you it was 2, 10 is 2 everyone know that ;)
[14:08] <AlanBell> ogra_: ok, thanks
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> http://itsfoss.com/create-web-app-ubuntu-phone
[14:16] <sturmflut-work> davmor2: There are cases when 1+1=11
[14:17] <davmor2> sturmflut-work: I didn't say it was I said 2 was wrong 11 is 3
[14:17] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok, i actually had a deadlock on dbus
[14:17] <tsdgeos> so the patches may not be as good as we need
[14:19] <sturmflut-work> davmor2: In binary. In unary, 1+1=11.
[14:20] <davmor2> sturmflut-work: :D
[14:40] <lemmster> Can I replace (or dual boot) Ubuntu with Android on the Aquaris e4.5 and later go back to Ubuntu? Ubuntu is missing a couple of vital features.
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> lemmster: what vital features are you talking about?
[14:47] <lemmster> lotuspsychje: gpg intergration into Dekko
[14:47] <kenvandine> tedg, remember the fix i put into content-hub so the sdk knows not to restore the state from the statesaver?
[14:47] <tedg> kenvandine, Not sure I know it, I know that you said you did it :-)
[14:47] <kenvandine> tedg, we have the same problem when the apps are launched with url-dispatcher, connecting to the uri handler happens to late
[14:48] <kenvandine> we added an arg --no-restore-state (or something like that)
[14:48] <kenvandine> how would you feel about having url-dispatcher also pass that arg?
[14:48] <kenvandine> :)
[14:48] <kenvandine> so doing this for content-hub fixed the statesaving issues when opened from the hub
[14:48] <tedg> kenvandine, Hmm, but what about the case that the app is running and it gets the URL. What should the behavior be then?
[14:48] <kenvandine> but they still have the problem when opened with url-dispatcher
[14:48] <DanChapman> lemmster: patches for gpg in dekko are welcomed :-D
[14:49] <tedg> Effectively that's a "state saved" in that it wasn't ever swapped out.
[14:49] <kenvandine> tedg, then they get the uri handler signal and all is good
[14:49] <tedg> kenvandine, So what's the problem with restoring state and then getting the signal?
[14:49] <kenvandine> they reset the state then, and that's fine now
[14:49] <kenvandine> the issue is when it's starting
[14:49] <kenvandine> they don't want to restore the state when starting to handle a uri request
[14:49] <tedg> I'm confused how the two are different.
[14:50] <kenvandine> they shouldn't be :)
[14:50] <kenvandine> but...
[14:50] <kenvandine> there is a problem at startup time
[14:50] <kenvandine> where they get the uri signal too late
[14:50] <tedg> They should fix that problem?
[14:50] <kenvandine> it'll cause the statesaver to start restoring the state
[14:50] <kenvandine> before they get the uri handler signal
[14:50] <lemmster> DanChapman: I don't have time to contributed. I can only make a donation if it helps.
[14:50] <tedg> That seems right to me.
[14:50] <kenvandine> can't really without delaying loading the UI
[14:50] <kenvandine> or causing flickering
[14:51] <tedg> You should restore the state, and then send the URL signal.
[14:51] <kenvandine> then the UI changes after shown
[14:51] <kenvandine> or could
[14:51] <tedg> Sure, just like it would if it was running.
[14:51] <kenvandine> zsombi, bfiller: ^^
[14:52] <kenvandine> if we did that we should wait until the app is done loading to handle it
[14:52] <kenvandine> so it's consistent
[14:52] <tedg> Certainly, state saver should block all emiting signals until it is done.
[14:53] <tedg> Otherwise it'll always be unpredictable
[14:55] <kenvandine> zsombi, thoughts?
[14:56] <bfiller> tedg: when the app is running it never restores state, just switches to the data being requested by the url handler
[14:56] <kenvandine> right
[14:56] <kenvandine> statesaver isn't involved
[14:56] <bfiller> tedg: if it's killed it's state will be saved
[14:56] <tedg> Certainly, and the same effect should be if it is killed.
[14:56] <kenvandine> what tedg is saying, let the app fully start and restore state
[14:56] <kenvandine> before handling the uri
[14:56] <tedg> As far as the app is concerned, those two should be exactly the same.
[14:56] <bfiller> tedg: it's quite ugly doing it that way
[14:57] <kenvandine> so in the case of the already running app
[14:57] <bfiller> tedg: you see first the restore state of the app and then it switches
[14:57] <kenvandine> chances are the view changes before you see the app
[14:57] <tedg> It's more ugly that you see the screenshot :-)
[14:57] <kenvandine> while starting you will see the app
[14:57] <kenvandine> and see it change
[14:57] <dobey> then modify the state while it's loading
[14:57] <kenvandine> that's the problem
[14:57] <tedg> The app should expect that to happen, it could happen while it's running. So the app needs to ensure that transition is reasonable.
[14:58] <kenvandine> we don't get the uri handler signal until after it's started
[14:58] <kenvandine> started restoring that is
[14:58] <kenvandine> but it's unpredictable
[14:58] <tedg> Let's look at the browser, you might need to queue up the next/last from the state saver and then put the URL on the stack.
[14:58] <dobey> then start faster and do whatever state restoring needs to be done, after you get the uri signal
[14:58] <bfiller> tedg: yes what kenvandine says, it is more ugly than the splash screen. You see Splash->Screen A (restored state)->Screen B (request from ulr dispatcher)
[14:58] <tedg> It should come after it has completed restoring.
[14:59] <kenvandine> bfiller, tedg does have a good point... it's just ugly for the user
[14:59] <kenvandine> it's the right way
[14:59] <kenvandine> perhaps we could do something fancy here :)
[14:59] <bfiller> tedg: browser doesn't use state saver actually, it's managing tabs on it's own as it always restores the last tab, regarless of how app was killed
[15:00] <kenvandine> like if the shell knows it's got a uri, show the splash until the uri is handled?
[15:00] <tedg> If the app can tell the difference between being running all the time and being shutdown through the lifecycle, we've done something wrong.
[15:00] <bfiller> tedg: not sure I understand your argument really
[15:01] <dobey> bfiller: if the app has to special case laoding a url when it's not running, in a different way from when the app is already running, then the app is doing things wrong
[15:01] <kenvandine> what decides when to stop showing the splash?
[15:02] <tedg> kenvandine, I believe it's when it does the first buffer swap.
[15:02] <bfiller> dobey: it doesn't have to do that
[15:02] <tedg> bfiller, What dobey said, we need to keep things feeling the same for apps.
[15:02] <bfiller> tedg: what we are suggesting completely isolates any of this from tha pps
[15:02] <zsombi> tedg: kenvandine: we don't know when teh states were restored. State restoration may cause pages to be pushed to the stack, etc, so that may take a while.
[15:02] <bfiller> apps
[15:03] <tedg> Sure, an app should have it's state restored. And from that state get a signal about the URI. Just like if it was running the whole time.
[15:03] <dobey> bfiller: what exactly are you suggesting?
[15:03] <tedg> For instance, when it's running on the desktop, that's exactly what will happen.
[15:04] <tedg> So you shouldn't be able to tell the difference if we've killed it via lifecycle or it's been running the whole time.
[15:04] <zsombi> tedg: that will cause flickering
[15:04] <kenvandine> zsombi, can we do something so the UriHandler knows state restoring is done?
[15:04] <tedg> zsombi, "flickering" or the UI to transition
[15:05] <tedg> It shouldn't flicker.
[15:05] <kenvandine> if there's no way to tell when that's done, that sounds like a bug
[15:05] <bfiller> dobey: suggesting url-dispatcher passes an additional arg --no-restore-state that state saver uses so it doesn't try to load saved state when app launched with args
[15:05] <kenvandine> it shouldn't flicker if it's completely done restoring
[15:05] <bfiller> that's all, one liner DONE
[15:05] <zsombi> kenvandine: I coudl remove the states which were restored one by one, and till all is removed I can cache the URLs...
[15:05] <dobey> bfiller: it would have to pass that to every app, which doesn't necessarily make sense. you might as well just not use state save at that point, or just put it in your app's .desktop file
[15:05] <kenvandine> the special arg is a quick fix... but that might be the better solution
[15:06] <tedg> zsombi, URLs isn't the only problem here, it should be all events. There could be others.
[15:06] <zsombi> tedg: well, if the last saved state was 3 pages deep, then all thoise will be restored, abd then teh UriHandler action will pop them all and push a completely different page: that causes flickering
[15:06] <kenvandine> dobey, only from url-dispatcher
[15:06] <kenvandine> nothing else
[15:06] <tedg> zsombi, For instance location service will notice that it has started up again and start sending updates that could be happening before the state is restored.
[15:06] <kenvandine> so there's always a uri
[15:07] <tedg> There's a lot of events that could start when we see the app come back alive again.
[15:07] <zsombi> tedg: StateSaver saves only property states. If that is driven by a state that si not serialized, it will happen, yes
[15:07] <dobey> kenvandine: url-dispatcher just uses ubuntu-app-launch, which just follows the freedesktop spec, which doesn't allow for adding additional arguments which are not specified in the Exec line of the .desktop
[15:07] <zsombi> tedg: it all depends on the app developer
[15:07] <tedg> zsombi, Sure, but we're trying to make good defaults.
[15:08] <dobey> kenvandine: if state saver is a common API thing and is that slow and causes these problems, then it should be optimized somehow i think. working around performance issues in it by changing url-dispatcher to somehow disable it whenever a url is opened, is wrong
[15:08] <salem_> kenvandine, apps can use loaders asynchronously to improve startup, there is no way to know if the app is actually done loading.
[15:08] <kenvandine> understood
[15:08] <zsombi> kenvandine: tedg: bfiller: so in case the url-dispatcher sends a URI, the StsteSaver could restore the state and till that is running, will block the UriHandler to dispatch theUri to QML
[15:09] <tedg> zsombi, +1, but please not only for URIs, for all events.
[15:09] <zsombi> tedg: I cannot affect other events sorry
[15:09] <kenvandine> zsombi, i think that's the proper fix
[15:09] <zsombi> tedg: if we'd have to, then there has to be a different place for this state saver
[15:10] <zsombi> tedg: for events like you mentioned, it is teh app developer to do the proper serialization, I cannot affect that
[15:11] <tedg> zsombi, I don't know the architecture in detail, but I feel if you can't do that, you're going to have this same bug in another area in a few weeks. Statesaver needs to take down the QML statemachine as it restores and then reenable it.
[15:11] <zsombi> all I can do is to delay the UriHandler dispatch
[15:11] <zsombi> tedg: I cannot restore the QML properties without a running statemachine
[15:11] <tedg> zsombi, ? They're just memory locations, no?
[15:12] <zsombi> tedg: well, as well as bindings, and those need to run as well
[15:12] <zsombi> tedg: we are not saving memory locations or content, we are saving property values
[15:13] <tedg> zsombi, Sure, so then you set all of the properties. You run the statemachine until it settles.
[15:13] <zsombi> tedg: the one you suggest must be done in QML parser, upstream
[15:13] <tedg> zsombi, Wait, is statesaver not integrated into the parser?
[15:14] <zsombi> tedg: yes, all the properties, which may also bring me deeper in teh app, like pushing pages, switching tabs, etc
[15:14] <zsombi> tedg: never was
[15:14] <tedg> Oh, my.
[15:14] <zsombi> right...
[15:15] <zsombi> tedg: that's why I'm telling I cannot stop the state machine
[15:16] <bfiller> tedg: we should have a hangout to discuss, I'm have issues with the suggested approach and might be easier to commnication in real time
[15:17] <zsombi> guys, I got to leave, if you keep a discussion bare in mind these limitations of teh state saver
[15:17] <zsombi> kenvandine: tedg: bfiller: ^
[15:18] <kenvandine> zsombi, will do
[15:18] <zsombi> and let me know somehow of teh outcome
[15:18] <dobey> ouch
[15:18] <tedg> I think that delaying the signal is the best approach available.
[15:18] <zsombi> so far I can do what I just said previously
[15:19] <tedg> bfiller, Sure, we can chat about it.
[15:24] <bfiller> tedg: I'll schedule something
[15:25] <zsombi> kenvandine: bfiller: ah, one more thing: if in case of url-dispatcher the state will be restored and only then the URL handed over, then same should happen with ContenThub as well... for consistency...
[15:25] <kenvandine> zsombi, yes
[15:26] <bfiller> zsombi: I'd like ot have further discussion about this tomorrow, I'm not sold on the idea :)
[15:26] <zsombi> bfiller: :D
[15:26] <zsombi> kenvandine: and I cannot queue that :(
[15:26] <bfiller> will be a poor user experience unless we figure out how to make some changes
[15:27] <zsombi> yeah... I'm out now for real :)
[15:36] <mcphail> When Wifi is switched off, should network manager try to conenct to 3G automatically? I find I have to poke it a bit to persuade it to connect
[15:52] <ogra_> awe_, ^^^^
[15:52] <ogra_> mcphail, there is active work going on on that exact bug :)
[15:52] <mcphail> ogra_: goog to know :)
[15:53] <mcphail> my typing today is awful...
[15:54] <awe_> mcphail, are you talking about a phone or a desktop install?
[15:54] <ogra_> phone
[15:54] <mcphail> awe_: yes, phone
[15:54] <mcphail> bq phone
[15:55] <awe_> so does this happen *every* time your switch off WiFi, or just occasionally?
[15:55] <awe_> here's the bug I've been working on:
[15:55] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1436427
[15:55] <mcphail> awe_: I'm not sure, tbh. It is happening every time today
[15:56] <awe_> ok, are you familiar with adb?
[15:56] <awe_> if so, when it happens, can you check the output of 'ip route'?
[15:56] <awe_> and add a comment to the bug?
[15:56] <mcphail> awe_: I'll try to have a look this evening and will do so
[15:57] <awe_> ok thanks!
[15:57] <mcphail> The other thing I wond is if I press the wifi switch to turn it off, it turns itself back on the first time
[16:02] <Joran> hi all, is there an image for bay trial devices yet?
[16:02] <Joran> (Atom x64)
[16:03] <Joran> (just recieved a hp stream 7 and ubuntu touch is something I'd like to play with on it)
[16:08] <Talustus> i guess u need to port it over then Joran
[16:09] <Joran> well people have successfully booted ubuntu mate on it, so I guess there's hope.
[16:09] <sturmflut-work> Joran: You can install the normal 15.04 x86 Ubuntu release on Bay Trail devices, see https://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/02/04/installing-ubuntu-on-baytrail-tablets-version-2/, and then install Unity 8
[16:10] <sturmflut-work> Joran: But sadly Bay Trail is a horrible platform
[16:10] <Talustus> so true
[16:10] <Joran> yeah, it looks it, 32bit uefi with 64bit processor, wifi that is shonky as hell and a very wierd touchscreen controller. :(
[16:11] <sturmflut-work> Joran: I was about to buy a HP Stream 7 too last week, since the price dropped to 99 euros, but at the moment I don't even have the time to care about the existing Thinkpad Tablet 8
[16:11] <Joran> yeah, there was an offer for it that brought it down to £50
[16:13] <sturmflut-work> Joran: Kernel 4.0 will contain a lot of fixes, and it looks like the guys over at linux-wireless found out which firmware the Broadcom SDIO WiFi chip needs, so things might have improved since I last tried
[16:15] <Joran> sounds like I gotmyself yet another fun project :-D
[16:17] <sturmflut-work> Joran: It would be *very* nice to get standard Ubuntu working on all those Windows 8.1 tablets. The hardware has become incredibly cheap.
[16:17] <Joran> I managed it on my Adam tablet and published a flash image...
[16:20] <sturmflut-work> Joran: Regarding WiFi, see https://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=142249720825855&w=2 and the following messages
[16:20] <sturmflut-work> Joran: And you may want to talk to sb over on the #m-labs channel, he did a lot of work on Bay Trail tablets
[16:21] <Joran> ta, will see where I get to with it.
[16:24] <aquarius> cwayne, ping about go scopes. :)
[16:26]  * sturmflut-work just noticed how many typos are in the "Installing Ubuntu on BayTrail tablets" post
[16:29] <sturmflut-work> Joran: If you decide to work on the HP Stream 7, you can just file bugs and merge requests against https://github.com/Sturmflut/sturmflut.github.io , maybe we can extend the HowTo for more devices
[16:32] <Joran> cool, will make notes as I go and contribute if there's anything new to learn :-)
[16:41] <yacuken> hi all
[16:42] <yacuken> does ubuntu touch use systemd?
[16:43] <ogra_> not yet
[16:43] <yacuken> planned?
[16:43] <ogra_> indeed
[16:44] <yacuken> thanks
[17:07] <dkessel> hmm is there any update on the date for the meizu mx4 with ubuntu? and is there anything official on whether it will use hardware different from the "normal" mx4?
[17:11] <ogra_> no news, nope
[17:38] <Isotop7> buiding for jfltexx fails with missing header files even though they are present in kernel directory and in out/*...any ideas?
[17:47] <kenvandine> jgdx, i just kicked a rebuild of silo 28, now that the other silo landed
[17:52] <kenvandine> Elleo, i have a content-hub branch needing review, whenever you get a chance https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1429695/+merge/254599
[17:58] <AlanBell> is the HDR thing in the camera done in software?
[17:58] <AlanBell> I am kind of expecting it to take three different exposures and combine them in something like huggin, but it doesn't do anything that I can perceive
[17:59] <AlanBell> not sure if my expectations are right on this, never had something that can do HDR before
[18:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks. Looking at bug 1438323, pretty sure we can use the connectivity api here.
[18:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah, that's what i was hoping
[18:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, great
[18:48] <ahoneybun> does anyone need OnePlus One invites?
[19:25] <aquarius> cwayne, ping about go scopes. :)
[19:26] <cwayne> aquarius, yo, whats up
[19:28] <aquarius> cwayne, how do I build a go scope? I'm happy to try it with your untappd scope before attempting to write my own! But I haven't done any go stuff at all before; I tried doing "go get launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v2" and it threw a bunch of errors (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10706784/) so I think I might need someone with some go knowledge to help me out getting things set up :)
[19:28] <popey> cwayne: ping about https://launchpad.net/today-scope not being configured for bugs
[19:28]  * popey joins the queue
[19:29] <aquarius> ah, deal with popey first; his thing sounds important :)
[19:30] <dobey> "go get beer"
[19:30] <cwayne> popey, getting code setup first, should be in tomorrow
[19:30] <popey> thanks
[19:31] <cwayne> aquarius, i haven't built any scopes about v2 yet, I've also included the deps required in the untappd branch, and the ability to build within a click chroot via cmake
[19:31] <cwayne> i may need to updated
[19:31] <cwayne> can do that hopefully when I get home, on a plane atm
[19:32] <aquarius> cwayne, ah, I'm not really looking at cmake stuff yet; just trying to get a go scope to build at all :)
[19:32] <aquarius> happy to use v1, but that threw all the same errors that you see in the pastebin
[19:32] <aquarius> might it be that I'm on 14.04? That is: is building go scopes not supported in the LTS?
[19:33] <aquarius> I suppose I could technically reverse-engineer the build process out of the cmake files, but that sounds pretty hard :)
[19:34] <dobey> aquarius: you need to build in a chroot
[19:34] <cwayne> aquarius, in theory as long as you had a click chroot you could get it built
[19:34] <aquarius> really?
[19:34] <dobey> aquarius: building c++ scopes isn't even doable on 14.04 directly
[19:34]  * aquarius does the sad look
[19:34] <dobey> lxc :)
[19:34] <dobey> or use the click chroot
[19:35] <aquarius> this is misery.
[19:35] <dobey> this is why there is an sdk that builds things in click chroots for you
[19:35] <aquarius> I'm aware I'll need a chroot to build an arm version, that's fine
[19:35] <aquarius> but I need one to build for my existing arch?
[19:35] <aquarius> dobey, there is not an sdk to build things in go, though :)
[19:35] <aquarius> if there were, I'd happily use i
[19:35] <aquarius> it
[19:37] <dobey> well, if you've got the cmake files set up for it, you should be able to open it as a project in the sdk and do a build there. though when i tried to build the instagram scope, i had some problems, and cwayne was in china so i couldn't bug him to figure it out, at the time
[19:39] <aquarius> fair enough. Let me give that a try
[19:39] <cwayne> i can do a quick write up of what I do and how I build it if you'd like too
[19:39] <cwayne> I have a pretty nice system I think with sublime-text
[19:39] <pmcgowan> aquarius, btw soonsnap app not working for me, not sure if its app or server
[19:40] <aquarius> pmcgowan, see if soonsnap.com in the browser works. (I didn't make the app.)
[19:40] <aquarius> pmcgowan, if the site is broken, I'll happily take a look :)
[19:40] <pmcgowan> I get black truncated images
[19:40] <pmcgowan> let me see
[19:42] <pmcgowan> aquarius, naw doesn't work
[19:42] <aquarius> cwayne, I would very much like that writeup!
[19:42] <aquarius> how do I install go in my click chroot?
[19:42] <dobey> aquarius: you can use the "Maintain" button in the sdk for the target kit, and then just apt-get install it
[19:43] <aquarius> when I try to build the project in Ubuntu SDK with the kit for my emulator I get: /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-i386/bin/sh:-1: error: 1: /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-i386/usr/bin/golang-go: not found
[19:43] <aquarius> oh, it's not supposed to be part of the chroot? OK, I'll install it.
[19:43] <dobey> i don't recall if it's supposed to be part of the chroot or not
[19:45] <aquarius> where does one find a Maintain button? I'm poking around in the Build & Run config section of the Options
[19:46] <dobey> the ubuntu page iirc
[19:47] <dobey> the page that lists the click chroot targets. select the chroot, hit "Maintain" and it opens a terminal with root in that chroot
[19:47] <aquarius> aha! yes
[19:52] <aquarius> progress! Building cwayne's untappd scope now says (in the Issues pane in Ubuntu SDK), unhelpfully, ":-1: error: [src/untappd] Error 2"
[19:52] <aquarius> but at least it's not complaining about not having go :)
[19:58] <aquarius> ah. cwayne, the CMakeLists.txt in your untappd scope src/ folder seems to have arm-linux-gnueabihf written in it a lot; does this mean that it's basically written for an ARM compile and won't work for compiling for x86?
[19:59] <dobey> probably
[19:59] <dobey> also i think his untappd tree on lp is a little outdated (but not sure if any of the go has changed)
[20:01] <cwayne> it is a bit outdated, I can updae it when I land
[20:03] <aquarius> am attempting to build a go thing manually in a terminal :)
[20:04] <simosx> Is "sudo apt install xyz" supposed to work on the phone? I get issue with read-only lock file.
[20:04] <DonkeyHotei> simosx: no.
[20:05] <dobey> yyz is much better anyway
[20:05] <aquarius> "src/launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v1/version.h:7:1: error: static assertion failed: Version of Unity scopes API mismatch. Minimum required version is 0.6.9.", and my 14.10 chroot has 0.6.7. So, you need vivid to even install the go scopes library. Oh well.
[20:06] <simosx> DonkeyHotei, is there a CLI alternative to "apt"? only Ubuntu Store?
[20:07] <dobey> neil peart stands alone
[20:08] <dobey> simosx: there's no cli alternative to apt. the way to install apps on the phone is through the store
[20:08] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-03-22 08:45:15 AM PDT]  <<?>ogra_> push it to the device ...
[20:08] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-03-22 08:45:24 AM PDT]  * jjohansen has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[20:08] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-03-22 08:45:43 AM PDT]  <<?>ogra_> then: adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /path/to/click
[20:08] <simosx> dobey, thanks.
[20:09] <DonkeyHotei> simosx: ^
[20:10] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: that works if you've got the .click already, which is not quite the same as apt
[20:11] <dobey> simosx: at some point in the future there will be a CLI option, but for now we only have the scope
[20:11] <simosx> i want to install 'git' on the phone before I start fiddling with changes in files.
[20:11] <dobey> simosx: if you really need some such tools, you should create a chroot of ubuntu in the home directory on the phone, and install what you need inside that chroot
[20:12] <simosx> dobey, is there a page that shows this process?
[20:13] <taiebot> awe_ I am still getting my wifi to stay connected to my wifi network while i am completely out of range of the network ( even after 2 hours of leaving my home). I checked nmcli and it was still showing that i was connected to my home network. Is it a known bug ? or would you like me to report it.
[20:14] <dobey> simosx: i'm not sure if there's a wiki page for it or not
[20:14] <awe_> taiebot, device?  image type & #?
[20:14] <taiebot> mako devel-proposed
[20:15] <taiebot> awe mako devel proposed r155
[20:15] <awe_> yes, please file a bug, I've been working on similar issues in RTM on krillin, but this may be mako-specific.
[20:15] <awe_> taiebot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+filebug
[20:15] <awe_> please include syslog
[20:16] <taiebot> awe_ ok will do thanks
[20:35] <simosx> Some "pkcon" results:
[20:35] <simosx> 1. when I run "pkcon install git" (or other package), I get the error "The daemon crashed mid-transaction!".
[20:35] <dobey> simosx: don't try to do too much with pkcon
[20:35] <dobey> yes you can't "pkcon install foo"
[20:36] <simosx> 2. if I do first "pkcon download /tmp/ git", it will download the .deb file.
[20:36] <simosx> 3. then, "pkcon install-local nameofpackage.deb" will be ok.
[20:37] <simosx> I did not install git though, it needs Perl and several other big dependencies.
[20:38] <simosx> I am trying the "buildOnDevice.sh" script to build a package on a device. However, it needs a build environment on the phone. Is that good to try?
[20:41] <DrGnomage> hey people, does anyone know how to make a cron stick on ubuntu phone (BQ) my fs is read only and I cant seem to mount it as writeable
[20:42] <simosx> DrGnomage, you can remount to RW to make your change (then, remount back to RO).
[20:42] <taiebot> awe_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1438402
[20:42] <awe_> thanks taiebot!
[20:43] <DrGnomage> simosx: Thanks for your reply, I wasnt sure which block device to refer to while mounting
[20:43] <taiebot> awe_ popey syslog seems to be not set  to correct date
[20:44] <awe_> taiebot, what happens when you run the date command on your device via adb?  Is it correct?
[20:45] <taiebot> awe yep its correct
[20:45] <simosx> DrGnomage, try "sudo mount -o remount,rw /", thus avoid trying to find the block device.
[20:46] <taiebot> awe date Mon Mar 30 21:45:02 BST 2015
[20:47] <DrGnomage> simosx: Aha! Thank you very much!
[20:49] <taiebot> awe  ls -l on syslog -rw-r----- 1 usermetrics adm   8138506 Aug 19  2014 syslog
[20:49] <simosx> DrGnomage, I do not know if there are any unforseen consequences when making such changes. It's good to change back to "ro" once done.
[20:51] <DrGnomage> simosx: I'll be rebooting so fstab should take over and make it read only again
[21:16] <mcphail> awe_: I've been trying to replicate that bug with the phone not switching to 3G aftern stopping wifi, but since we chatted about it earlier it has been fine :)
[21:16] <mcphail> awe_: I'll append to your bug report when I can duplicate it
[21:17] <awe_> mcphail, thanks;  I tried over the weekend as well, and created a test script to try and catch it, but ran ~500 iterations without doing so.  ;(
[21:17] <awe_> I'll keep at it, but am more concerned about the case where WiFi disconnects, and mobile data doesn't seamlessly take over
[21:18] <mcphail> awe_: I'm wondering if it is location specific. Perhaps a weak wifi or 3g signal in a certain part of the house might trigger the behaviour
[21:19] <awe_> I suspect it may have to due the plumbing between NM and Qt
[21:19] <awe_> as I see WiFi disconect, and mobile data is still active
[21:19] <awe_> routing table's good, ...
[21:20] <awe_> anyways, been working on some ofono reviews, and some other related bugs this afternoon.  Will get back to WiFi / mobile shortly
[21:20] <mcphail> awe_: brilliant. It is one of those bugs which hits when you need to use the feature but not when you have time/equipment for debugging!
[21:22] <awe_> yup
[22:07] <mcphail> I'm trying to debug something remotely on the phone, but I'm getting an error that gdbserver isn;t installed on the phone. How can I install this without invoking apt-get? I don't want to lose the ability to safely update the phone in the future...
[23:40] <Dragonkeeper> anyone know how to boot bq phone into recovery ?
[23:43] <Dragonkeeper> nvm


[15:28] <Sargun> Why is CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACER set to y in the standard kernel config?
[15:28] <Sargun> (on AMD64 Raring's kernel config)
[15:35] <smb> Sargun, Because it otherwise would not be possible to enable function tracing on a stock kernel (it is a bool and should be y for i386, too). If that is the answer you are looking for
[15:35] <bjf> Sargun, i believe it is enabled so that ftrace can be used to debug kernel problems
[15:36] <bjf> Sargun, i believe we benchmarked it and found it added little/no overhead if you were not in fact using ftrace
[15:37] <apw> yeah i believe the same
[15:38] <smb> right, according to help 5 NOPs at the entry of each function which should have not much impact
[15:41] <Sargun> Hm
[15:42] <Sargun> This is unfortunate. I really want to enable KMEMCHECK on my kernels, which conflicts with CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACER (it requires it to be =n).
[15:45] <Sargun> I guess is CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACER doesn't get used during normal operation, this is fine
[15:46] <apw> Sarvatt, if you are changing your config you can change both anyhow right ?
[15:50] <bjf> Sargun, ^
[15:52] <apw> bah i hate auto complete ... it is meant to pick the person who spoke last, that is working, NOT
[15:56] <Sargun> apw: Yeah, I was just wondering if CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACER was used for anything other than debugging.
[15:57] <apw> no indeed, just for debug, but ... you dont want to change your system to start using debugging tools when you need them
[16:25] <cking> brendand, i've built a new version of fwts for testing on that ARM box - it's in ppa:colin-king/white
[16:26] <brendand> cking, cool - i'll give it a try
[16:26] <cking> great!
[16:53]  * cking waits with baited breath
[17:22] <cking> brendand_, any results?
[17:24] <brendand_> cking, yeah, passed
[17:24] <brendand_> cking, how did you change the test?
[17:24] <cking> brendand_, cool, I'll send the patches out for review then \o/
[17:25] <cking> brendand_, i re-wrote the support libs last week but forgot to tweak the test according to the new api, so it failed last week, today I fixed the test and it works as expected
[20:25] <hallyn> rtg: i'm sitting here on my saucy laptop, getting the same kvm modprobe error you were on trusty.  has that been figured out yet?
[21:21] <apw> hallyn, hey which kerle is that
[21:25] <apw> hallyn, is that a home brew
[21:28] <hallyn> no
[21:28] <hallyn> 3.11.0-12-generic #19-Ubuntu
[21:29] <hallyn> (cut-paste is being a b*, refusing to cut at words)
[21:30] <apw> hallyn, i don't think i see that on my machine when it is on 3.11 kernels
[21:31] <rtg> hallyn, hmm, kvm_amd is working for me. You have Intel, right ?
[21:31] <apw> hallyn, can you try the kernle in -proposed -13 ?
[21:31] <apw> hallyn, i have a kvm_intel (the one showing the issue originally) but i believe it works fine on the 3.11 kernles
[21:31] <hallyn> just dget it from the build logs?
[21:32] <hallyn> not the logs of course
[21:32] <hallyn> about time to call eod judging by reading my own comments
[21:34]  * hallyn tries https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/5146181/+files/linux-image-3.11.0-13-generic_3.11.0-13.20_amd64.deb
[21:34] <hallyn> will be awhile
[21:43] <apw> hallyn, i have just booted 3.11-12.19 and 3.12-13.20 and both work fine, 3.12-0 does not
[21:48] <hallyn> apw: (i've installed but not yet rebooted) have you figured out wha'ts up with 3.12-0?
[21:49] <apw> hallyn, nope rtg is on the case, its not h/w specific, seems to be a kvm core issue
[21:50] <hallyn> wowzer
[21:51] <rtg> hallyn, its a debugfs issues, so nothing too critical. I should be able to at least pin it down soon.
[22:02] <hallyn> rtg: oh right, i forgot that showed up in syslog
[22:03] <hallyn> but holy cheeseballs!  somehow kvm got disabled in bios.
  <lightbulb>   that effing windows 7 install i did to try and update bios.  I bet it disabled it!
[22:07] <rtg> hallyn, bummer dude
[22:07] <apw> hallyn, man ... m$ should really be taken out and ...
[22:18] <hallyn> you must not assume malice on th...  oh wait this isn't debian-devel
[22:18] <hallyn> i dunno, do they want to then charge me to reenable it for me?
[22:25] <rtg> hallyn, the 3.12 kvm issues appears to be genuine. I've instrumented the create debugfs dir path and should have some notions soon.
[23:29] <Malediction> Could anyone tell me why, since the latest release upgrade, I have 64 rcuos/<number> and rcuob/<number> processes on a single core VM? (or better yet, tell me what docs/man I can read to better understand them)
[23:51] <bjf> Malediction, http://lwn.net/Articles/518953/
[23:54] <Malediction> Ah, thank you. :)


 Thx for ur help. I was unable to make it work. I'll try it again another day.
 https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/integrate-nextcloud-onlyoffice
 @AdamOutler - you use Samsung SmartThings correct?
 Yes
 Why?
 i found a nasty exploit in it that would allow me to... just kidding. I am thinking of getting one
 It's a good system.  Works with Google home.
 You can assign rooms to groups of lights or items and say "turn on lights I need to take out the trash" or "turn off all the things"
 "turn on trash lights" is the one I use.  I made a room called trash.
 It takes a bit to set up smart things.  But once that's done, it's automatic.
 The (dumb) timer switch that I have controlling the lights in front of the house needs to be replaced - it is 15 years old so I figured I may as well replace it with something more modern
 Yeah.  Get a smartthings, and a zwave or zigbee switch.
 You can set an automation to automatically turn it off after it's been turned on.
 Or you can make it respond to presence of your phone or a motion sensor.
 The smartthings app itself is a presence sensor for your hub.
 Hey, you can also use it with a raspberry pi to create your own theme song when you get home!
 I saw what you did with your Pi
 Or a tablet.
 There's an Android app that acts as an announcer.
 What is that Google IMS thing?
 @AdamOutler, I have a feeling that it will be what introduces RCS to Android
 https://usnews.today/2017/03/13/house-gop-members-launch-an-unprecedented-plan-to-replace-daylight-savings-time/
[17:07] <maxolasersquad> That's a gop bill I could stand by.
 did you read it?
[17:09] <maxolasersquad> Im getting my oio changed. Ill read it whenI get back in the office.
[17:09] <maxolasersquad> oil changed
 TrumpTime is expected to work like this – … Twice a year we will all need to move our clocks forward or backwards by 1 hour. These changes will take place in March and November of each even numbered calendar years. On odd calendar years, we would be expected to follow the same procedure except move our clocks by 60 minutes instead of an hour. It is really that simple.
[17:11] <maxolasersquad> perfect. Should aleviate uuuall problems everywhere.
 @AdamOutler -http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/03/13/google-carrier-services-moves-play-store-absolutely-nothing-now/
 @KMyers new article idea: After massive success with Seamless Updates, Google has rolled out a new project: Senseless Updates. These updates focus solely on ensuring the changelog rotation meets stringent criteria and may include actual code changes including changing the display font of the Android Version in the settings menu, to recompiling the kernel to change the date.
 Ok... that made my head sppin
 Senseless Updates.
 :D
 all manner of senseless updates may be included in this.
 March Security Update is available.
[19:29] <maxolasersquad> "Changes in this release: Added new entry in the changelog to document this release."
 Exactly!
 Changes in this release: Built up release hype
 Changes in this release: Updated version information
 Changes in this release: Added a service which returns null
 Changes in this release: We now wish you a merry christmas at start of logcat just in case it is christmas when you view it.
[20:14] <maxolasersquad> Changes in this release: Introduced a bug that causes the application to update with no new features or enhancements.
[20:15] <sintre> that's a winner
[20:15] <sintre> :)
 Hacks
 Holy crap @AbMind
 He lives
 @KMyers found my issue with texting
 What?
 I looked at Digit and all my text were going to that and now my phone
 *not
 https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/135962?start=0&tstart=0
 yepp


[13:08] <fbxxkl> Hi everyone.  I hope someone is here. I am having trouble getting it to format my SATA Raid0 for install
[13:09] <fbxxkl> or I should say partition my disks
[20:18] <airdem> hello
[20:18] <unodelchat> hi
[20:18] <airdem> i have installed latest ubuntustudio
[20:19] <airdem> and then it asked me to install nvidia drivers
[20:19] <airdem> after reboot x was not working anymore telling me "nvidia" was not found and i had to use the generic xorg.conf
[20:19] <unodelchat> I have problems with downloading the ISO
[20:19] <airdem> i installed nvidia-current
[20:20] <airdem> what iso?
[20:20] <unodelchat> is that the file is too big
[20:21] <unodelchat> I have problems with firefox
[20:21] <airdem> are you on linux?
[20:22] <unodelchat> I have problems with flashget
[20:23] <unodelchat> I now use windows
[20:23] <airdem> what is the problem?
[20:24] <unodelchat> download when the 99% in flashget
[20:24] <unodelchat> sometimes firefox terminates the download when it is finished
[20:25] <airdem> do you have enough space?
[20:25] <unodelchat> yes
[20:27] <airdem> are you used to command prompt? (console)
[20:27] <airdem> you could use wget for windows to download the iso
[20:27] <airdem> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm
[20:29] <unodelchat> thanks
[20:51] <holstein> unodelchat: you can get the CD iso
[20:51] <holstein> the live image
[20:51] <holstein> and add whatever ubuntustudio packages to it
[20:51] <holstein> after installing