[06:22] <prego> benjibenji, don't forget to try graveman
[06:23] <benjibenji> Peace, love, and mountains.  Stop Mountain Top Removal Coal Mining in Appalachia, USA
[06:23] <benjibenji> Zenrox, what is graveman
[06:23] <prego> benjibenji, is a gnome based CD recording tool
[06:23] <zenrox> benjibenji,  another burrning app
[06:24] <prego> benjibenji, not so complete as K3b but perhaps easier to install (lower uninstalled dependencies in ubuntu)
[06:26] <Welly> Hey all
[06:26] <LordC> Can anyone give me a comparison of Ubuntu vs Slackware? =)
[06:27] <Welly> is there and alternative i suppose task/application switcher than the task bar you get as default at the bottom of the screen?
[06:27] <J20> Hiya how to I upgrade to hoary from warty?
[06:27] <LinuxJones> LordC, Ubuntu is a Gnome based derivative of Debian
[06:28] <LordC> Yeah i know this. But i want to know benefits of moving to Ubuntu from Slackware
[06:28] <SiRrUs> LordC no more compiles
[06:28] <LinuxJones> LordC, it has awesome package mangement system, timely updates and excellent community
[06:28] <LordC> And does VMware work? =)
[06:28] <bentele> hallo bin wieder da danke mit dem tip!
[06:28] <J20> Anyone know how to upgrade to hoary?
[06:28] <zenrox> j20 go look in the fourms
[06:29] <LinuxJones> LordC, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[06:30] <benjibenji> Thanks for your help all.  I'll be back with more questions I'm sure.   Peace.
[06:30] <LinuxJones> cya
[06:32] <prego> zenrox, I'm in conflict with gnome-backgrounds package... I don't know when I installed that package and where from... ??? but after removal I've been able to install ubuntu-artwork. However apt should have detected that, isn't it?
[06:33] <goldfish_> wb javiolo
[06:34] <prego> Is latest kernel on hoary safe?
[06:34] <sic|work> javiolo: seeing things in 1024X768 yet?
[06:34] <crimsun> prego: 2.6.10-4-arch? yes
[06:34] <javiolo> yep
[06:34] <javiolo> everything works ok
[06:35] <sic|work> what fixed it?
[06:35] <javiolo> but when i try to use synaptic
[06:35] <javiolo> oh no
[06:35] <javiolo> now works
[06:35] <javiolo> :0
[06:35] <jared> anyone just update their amd64 ubuntu hoary, and have it die on you?
[06:35] <drspin> how can I use a different resolution than 640x480?
[06:35] <sic|work> what fixed your resolution?  just so I can remmember your fix for future reference
[06:36] <javiolo> drspin that take me a headache
[06:36] <drspin> heh - yeah - I've tried the simple dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail
[06:36] <Welly> other than terminal ftp, is there a graphical ftp program anyone recommends?
[06:36] <javiolo> drspin check system conf
[06:37] <LinuxJones> Welly, gftp
[06:37] <Welly> ok cool
[06:37] <jared> gftp
[06:37] <Welly> cheers!
[06:37] <drspin> Welly: firefox has an ftp plugin called fireftp
[06:37] <Welly> drspin: yeah, i saw that and wasn't 100% impressed with it. but it could have been an early version
[06:38] <farruinn> Welly: using nautilus for ftp isn't working?
[06:38] <Welly> farruinn, i didn't know it could! sorry, this is my 2nd day with linux/ubuntu
[06:39] <Echylo> anyone has a program to split mp3's with(cue file) ??
[06:39] <drspin> ok - so fixing my resolution
[06:39] <maccorin> what package do i need to install for rhythmbox to have an mp3 plugin?
[06:40] <goldfish_> drspin: what computer you got?
[06:40] <farruinn> Welly: yup =) just go to File>Connect to Server in a nautilus window and you'll be presented with a bunch of options
[06:40] <drspin> maccorin: gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:40] <Welly> cool, see it now!
[06:40] <LinuxJones> Echylo, can you load the mp3's in a piece of editing software like audacity then split them ?
[06:40] <drspin> goldfish_: dual celeron processors with a 3dfx card on a 17" monitor
[06:40] <goldfish_> oh right
[06:41] <tizen> Hey, I'm trying to get quake2 to work... And it's missing ref_softx and apt-cache search doesn't give me any clues to where that might be found... I think it's supposed to be part of the quake2 package but it's not
[06:41] <drspin> goldfish_: I just updated to Hoary -- and bam no resolution anymore -- my xorg.conf is right
[06:41] <goldfish_> tizen: tried searching using synaptic?
[06:42] <maccorin> drspin: ty
[06:42] <tizen> goldfish_: yup
[06:42] <jeff_> tizen, do a google on it. you may want to d/l a 3rd party softx
[06:42] <drspin> maccorin: np
[06:42] <sic|work> drspin: I think javiolo just had that problem....have you tried reinstalling the driver?
[06:42] <tizen> ok
[06:42] <brus> how do i change to swedish keymap in xchat?
[06:42] <drspin> which driver?
[06:42] <tizen> And am I wrong to think I should be using gl and not softx?
[06:42] <sic|work> drspin: vid
[06:43] <javiolo> i did everything thats possible hehe
[06:43] <sic|work> what finally fixed you up jav?
[06:43] <javiolo> i edited XF86Config-4
[06:43] <javiolo> in screen
[06:43] <sic|work> ahh...like goldfish suggested
[06:43] <javiolo> i typed default screen
[06:44] <dazed_> goldfish!
[06:44] <javiolo> deleted the model of my screen
[06:44] <jeff_> tizen if your 3d accel works then use gl
[06:44] <goldfish_> hey dazed_
[06:44] <javiolo> and added in modes "1024x768"
[06:44] <dazed_> did u hear what i did?
[06:44] <Funraiser> somebody knows how to use wine?
[06:44] <Echylo> LinuxJones, I'll check it ou
[06:44] <sic|work> I think you can put whatever your highest desireable resolution is
[06:44] <goldfish_> dazed_: nope
[06:45] <prego> Funraiser, easy, open the bottle and serve a good cup ;-) (sorry I don't know really)
[06:45] <sic|work> like I run 1280 X 1024
[06:45] <zenrox> i like to run at 1600x1200
[06:45] <Funraiser> yeah there a file called winemaker too
[06:45] <Funraiser> so nobody for wine?
[06:45] <dazed_> goldfish_: i some how managed to set my desktop manager as xdm...so i came here and i edit my deskmanager file....i changed to gdm...comp boots up gdm boots up..i cant log into any session not even the failsafe..it kicks me out before i get in...i had to format and reinstal
[06:45] <sic|work> my monitor is older on that box so 1280X1024 is the most it will handle without bending the edges
[06:46] <prego> Funraiser, I've tried some times but with not so good results...
[06:46] <goldfish_> dazed_: ouch :/
[06:46] <dazed_> yeah
[06:46] <prego> Funraiser, I lost my interest in the meantime, though
[06:46] <javiolo> guys let me change to my ubuntu, now im on mac os x :P
[06:46] <Funraiser> i think it works well i u burn the soft on a cd and then open it with wine
[06:47] <acidmaxd> Funraiser: apt-get install winesetuptk
[06:47] <Funraiser> what is it?
[06:47] <Funraiser> tk?
[06:47] <acidmaxd> a graphical program for wine configuration
[06:47] <drspin> sic|work: is the 3dfx driver in the repos?
[06:48] <Funraiser> ok
[06:48] <sic|work> drspin: dunno, I use NVIDIA  :)
[06:48] <goldfish_> dazed_: when i first started, I had o reinstall loads of times :)
[06:48] <prego> I'm going to try the new kernel... see you all.
[06:48] <dazed_> lol
[06:49] <dazed_> thats not very  reassuring
[06:49] <dazed_> lol
[06:49] <jesus\> say euh
[06:49] <drspin> sic|work: as do I on this box -- but the dual processor I wanted to play with some 3dfx stuff
[06:49] <jesus\> today in school i worked with a flatscreen
[06:49] <airox> Let us all pray for prego :)
[06:49] <jesus\> and i rotated it 90
[06:49] <jesus\> and i also rotated the image
[06:49] <jesus\> which gave me a screen much higher than wide
[06:49] <plx> how do use the special keys on a logitech itouch keyboard? (volume control and stuff..)
[06:49] <jesus\> that rocks for programmling and webbrowsing
[06:49] <jesus\> is it possible in linux?
[06:50] <drspin> plx: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[06:50] <bur[n] er> it's possible
[06:50] <drspin> also if you use XMMS there's a plugin that enables them
[06:50] <thux> Hi, first I got editor called vi or vim, then I took some updates and now it starts with command vim.org?
[06:51] <plx> drspin: thanks! that's perfect..
[06:51] <Welly> am i just the lucky one or did anyone else get a message from ms_immortasinger saying "hi"?
[06:51] <Funraiser> do i have to reboot after the install of winesetupkt?
[06:51] <drspin> plx: no problem
[06:51] <acidmaxd> Funraiser: no
[06:51] <Welly> and then when i replied, i got no answer :-/
[06:51] <Funraiser> cool
[06:51] <Echylo> isn't 3Ddesktop the solution jesus
[06:51] <Echylo> damn why are there so much jesus' in here?
[06:52] <dazed_> i have a speach in about an hour...i should work on it
[06:52] <jesus\> :)
[06:52] <dazed_> lol
[06:52] <dazed_> but im nt
[06:52] <jesus\> you mean java looking glass thingie?
[06:52] <drspin> *yawn* updates take forever
[06:53] <neighborlee> Echylo, the rapture is upon us
[06:53] <Funraiser> ahem...when I "sh wine" it says no such file now...
[06:53] <dazed_> goldfish_: i got fluxbox 0.9.12 though...i got EVERYTHING working...sept the backgrounds...its like they hate me or something
[06:53] <Welly> where do you set the colours for the terminal window?
[06:54] <Welly> ah ha.. i see
[06:54] <goldfish_> dazed_: lol
[06:54] <Welly> don't tell me :)
[06:54] <Welly> ooh.. no i tell a lie.. i can see where i set the colours but not for what
[06:55] <maccorin> new kernel boot, brb
[06:55] <Welly> ok.. i give up. my .html files are in green when i do an ls in the terminal window
[06:55] <Welly> how do i change that to something else?
[06:56] <Ribs> delete them :>
[06:56] <Welly> i'm not doing that! :D
[06:56] <bwlang_> welly: it's because they're marked executable... chmod a-x *.html to mark them un-executable
[06:56] <Ribs> check you don't have them executable
[06:56] <goldfish_> Welly: remove the colur ls option in ~/.bashrc
[06:56] <airox> delete colorls
[06:57] <tizen> If I want to find out who the package head is for a package how do I do that?
[06:57] <Welly> i don't mind them being executable, i just mind them being bright green :)
[06:57] <Welly> thanks goldfish!
[06:57] <bwlang_> anybody know where /dev/log comes from?  dpkg -S does not find it
[06:57] <dazed_> goldfish_ do uknow anything about alien?? for installing rpms?
[06:58] <tizen> bwlang_: syslogd?
[06:58] <goldfish_> dazed_: nope
[06:58] <goldfish_> dazed_: sorry
[06:59] <bwlang_> dazed_: alien is useful to give you a start on repackaging something... but it can mess things up so be very careful
[06:59] <tritium> Welly, you really should make them not executable.  Changing the color option isn't quite the right approach.
[06:59] <lunitik> bwlang_: uhh... alien doesn't make you repackage anything  :/
[06:59] <lunitik> Or at least doesn't show you any of that process
[07:00] <Wolven> can some one kick/ban ms_immortasinger ? He/she is annoying me on priv
[07:00] <Ribs> Wolven: /ignore him/her
[07:00] <lunitik> Wolven: just /ignore them
[07:00] <goldfish_> Wolven: /ignore
[07:00] <Welly> Wolven, i had that too
[07:00] <Wolven> k done
[07:00] <bwlang_> lunitik: sure it does... you just have to tell it to leave everything hanging around ... then you can use what it does to get you started making a deb
[07:00] <Welly> she just said hello and then didn't respond when i replied
[07:01] <bwlang_> tizen: could be from syslogd... dunno.  I got a report from tigercron warning me that it's world writable
[07:01] <Funraiser> i downloaded a soft that i want to burn on a cd. The files are zipped, and when i unzip it, i see all the dll and .exe. Do I have to make an iso of those files to make it bootable or i can just burn thoses files on a cd directly?
[07:01] <lunitik> bwlang_: uhh... how would you tell it to do that? all I see in the man page is how to turn one package format into another...
[07:02] <bwlang_> lunitik : -g
[07:03] <dand> anyone here translated ubuntu-specific menu items? (gnome-panel patches)
[07:04] <Funraiser> nobody knows?
[07:04] <lunitik> bwlang_: ahh... the Options section wasn't there last time I looked at this
[07:04] <lunitik> bwlang_: else I was just blind...
[07:04] <mikep> test
[07:06] <Alessio> anyone that use xmame?
[07:06] <Alessio> or gxmame?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> nope
[07:06] <bur[n] er> i use zsnes though ;)
[07:06] <Alessio> :D
[07:06] <Alessio> good emu
[07:06] <goldfish_> zsnes is great
[07:06] <Alessio> i dont' have any roms for znes
[07:06] <bur[n] er> wish there was an nes emulator that was up to snuff
[07:07] <lunitik> bur[n] er: know where to get Yoshii's island for that?  I used to love that game  :(
[07:07] <goldfish_> lol
[07:07] <lunitik> bur[n] er: care to hook a brother up?  :P
[07:07] <Alessio> uhm i have roms for mame
[07:07] <bretzel> yeah, I would love to know where can we get ROMs games for snes ...
[07:07] <Alessio> but gxmame doesn't find them
[07:07] <drspin> should I activate GLcore in my xorg.conf?
[07:07] <Alessio> the patha is good
[07:08] <Alessio> *path
[07:09] <LinuxJones> drspin, are you using a nvidia card ?
[07:09] <drspin> yes
[07:09] <LinuxJones> drspin, and the nvidia binary drivers ?? if so comment it out
[07:09] <drspin> LinuxJones: I don't have the nvidia installed...
[07:10] <lunitik> bur[n] er: there used to be a few around... last time I used zsnes I found a few... but I can't find any right now  :(
[07:10] <drspin> LinuxJones: just updated from warty to hoary and I can't use anything but 640x480
[07:10] <Funraiser> who told me to install the winesetuptk...it's done
[07:10] <drspin> I have nearly 300 snes roms :)
[07:10] <drspin> and I reccomend snes9x
[07:10] <lunitik> drspin: Yoshii's Island wouldn't happen to be one?
[07:11] <drspin> not sure...
[07:11] <Funraiser> what i do with this winesetuptk?
[07:11] <Xenguy> ms_immortasinger: Do not /msg me again, or you'll be permanently /ignored
[07:11] <LinuxJones> drspin, there are some pains with xorg. I moved my xf86config-4 and renamed it to xorg.conf (after backing up of course)
[07:11] <lunitik> Funraiser: dpkg -L | grep bin
[07:11] <Funraiser> what does that do?
[07:11] <tritium> Funraiser, winetools are better
[07:11] <lunitik> Funraiser: lists binary files installed by the package
[07:12] <tritium> Funraiser, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[07:12] <lunitik> Funraiser: dpkg -L winesetuptk | grep bin  <-- what I actually meant  *nods*
[07:12] <drspin> LinuxJones: YAY! it worked :)
[07:12] <Funraiser> k
[07:12] <drspin> LinuxJones: thanks!
[07:12] <LinuxJones> drspin, :)
[07:13] <LinuxJones> drspin, it's not the best solution but it works
[07:13] <BWGames> can anyone recommend a program to capture video on ubuntu? can get it to play in xawtv etc fine, just need to capture it
[07:13] <BWGames> (pref consolebased)
[07:13] <LinuxJones> BWGames, from a dv cam ?
[07:13] <Funraiser> in usr/bin
[07:13] <BWGames> LinuxJones: no, capture card
[07:14] <Funraiser> lunitk it lists usr/bin/winesetup
[07:15] <spleenPOT> does anyone knows why when i try to install packages from synaptic it say Errors were encountered while processing:locales, lsb, ubuntu-destop?
[07:15] <BWGames> anyone?
[07:15] <spleenPOT> :(
[07:15] <Funraiser> ohhh....it makes a partition
[07:16] <trotsky> gaah, my sound doesn't work!
[07:16] <spleenPOT> it seem tha that is a problem whit locas settins?
[07:16] <thisfred> BWGames: something like MythTV would be overkill I guess...?
[07:16] <BWGames> thisfred: have played with mythtv, and its good, but a bit overkill yes, especially as i just want to record stuff, not at specific times etc
[07:18] <tritium> Funraiser, no, it doesn't
[07:18] <Funraiser> well kind off, no?
[07:18] <lunitik> spleenPOT: apt-get install each individual, will give a little better insight
[07:19] <lunitik> Funraiser: run that?
[07:19] <lunitik> Funraiser: just type 'winesetup'
[07:19] <Funraiser> yes i think it's done
[07:19] <tritium> Funraiser, winetools is going to be in universe.  I recommend that over winesetuptk anyday.
[07:19] <spleenPOT> i'll try
[07:20] <Funraiser> too late
[07:20] <Funraiser> will see
[07:20] <lunitik> Funraiser: should create a .wine/c   or .fakec or somesuch... ls -a
[07:20] <Funraiser> did a fake
[07:20] <lunitik> Funraiser: cool... now just try installing a windows application via 'wine the.exe
[07:20] <lunitik> '
[07:21] <netmonk> someone using usb-ir under ububntu?
[07:21] <tritium> lunitik, winetools will get him working with many more applications
[07:22] <lunitik> tritium: eh... no one wants sol.exe and friends  :/
[07:22] <Funraiser> u mean i right click the .exe and i choose open with wine?
[07:22] <tritium> lunitik, it's not about that
[07:22] <prego> OK, I'm back. he he. With the latest Hoary update, the gnome menu icon now works better since it includes the "places" and "system" entries :-)) (no more menu at my laptop)
[07:23] <Funraiser> that .exe is in a folder not on a cd, is it ok?
[07:23] <bretzel> Wow... 111 updates
[07:23] <lunitik> tritium: winetools won't help him any... just takes up disk space  :/
[07:23] <Welly> am I right in thinking that metacity is installed by default with ubuntu?
[07:23] <tck> has anyone set up an openSSH server behind nat ?
[07:23] <lunitik> Welly: uhh, yeah
[07:23] <maccorin> tck: yes
[07:23] <tck> maccorin, cool, going to pick your brains, can i pm you ?
[07:23] <tritium> lunitik, it can install applications that will fail to install with winesetuptk
[07:23] <maccorin> just forward to port 22 and it should work
[07:23] <Welly> lunitik, sorry.. am pretty new with this and am trying to get my head round all the terms and that
[07:24] <maccorin> errr... forward port 22
[07:24] <maccorin> at the router
[07:24] <maccorin> to the ssh box
[07:24] <maccorin> tck: why don't you just ask in here?
[07:24] <trotsky> i810_audio doesn't work
[07:24] <trotsky> !
[07:26] <prego> nautilus does not explore windows network, since I don't remember when. Any clues?
[07:26] <tritium> Funraiser, what application are you trying to install?
[07:26] <Funraiser> photoshop
[07:26] <tritium> Funraiser, that will fail with the setup from winesetuptk
[07:26] <Funraiser> actually i'm trying to see if wine works nicely or not
[07:27] <tritium> Funraiser, this guy is setting up winetools in ubuntu:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ScottRitchie
[07:27] <Funraiser> and i choose photoshop out of the blue
[07:27] <prego> tck, you may also "throw" a reverse tunnel...
[07:27] <gand> hello
[07:27] <[m0rph] > hi, is there a option so that the window list uses the whole available space?
[07:27] <tritium> Funraiser, and winetools can specifically install Photoshop 7.0 (there's an interface option to do so)
[07:28] <tritium> Funraiser, lunitik is a little mistaken about winetools
[07:28] <prego> [m0rph] , use expanded panel and chose a large number of maximum space
[07:28] <Funraiser> ok
[07:29] <drspin> hi
[07:29] <nix000> anyone use whereami here ?
[07:29] <Funraiser> you mean about winesetuptk?
[07:30] <[m0rph] > prego: thx
[07:30] <gand> Can I install VLC mediaplayer on ppc?
[07:31] <tritium> Funraiser, I mean about winetools
[07:32] <tritium> Funraiser, here's a screenshot from winetools.  You'll notice that you can install Photoshop 7.0 with it:  http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/winetools.png
[07:33] <Funraiser> all right thanks
[07:33] <tritium> you're welcome
[07:35] <tvaughan> Hi all - I'm putting together a system based on one of VIA's mini-itx boards.  Is there anywhere I can get info on Ubuntu's compatibility with it?  Searching ubuntulinux.org for epia or itx doesn't give any results
[07:35] <maccorin> is there any interest in a special laptop kernel package?
[07:36] <Loiosh> Hewwo again, Suzy =)
[07:36] <Loiosh> tvaughan: I'd suggest trying the U-Live CD if you cannot find any information.
[07:37] <tritium> tvaughan, what are you building?  mythtv box or something special?
[07:37] <tvaughan> Loiosh: thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[07:37] <tvaughan> tritium: nothing special really, just a standard desktop box.  Although I have considered mythtv
[07:37] <suzyq> Loiosh: hi. i got the user up and going. his windows parition had been marked as Hidden.  so, I had him unhide it in grub, and now his dual boot works fine.
[07:37] <Alessio> but gxmame doesn't find roms and the path is good
[07:37] <tritium> tvaughan, I'm using it now.  I love it.
[07:38] <suzyq> Loiosh, karsten_: thx for your pointers yesterday.
[07:38] <tvaughan> tritium: yeah, it could be interesting.  Not sure if I'll have room in the case for many PCI cards though
[07:39] <tritium> tvaughan, I hope you'll come back and report on your experience with the mini-itx board :)
[07:40] <vIdAr_> Anyone know where to get Infosmart Wlan driver? i cant get it to work.
[07:40] <tvaughan> tritium: If everything works ok then definitely.  I'll probably try Fedora core 3 as well
[07:40] <tritium> tvaughan, cool
[07:40] <StoffBox-Steve> hi guys, i friend hav a prob, this is on warty and what to use his At-ar215 USB DSL modem to dealup, Ubuntu Know the Modem and shows it up in the system but he cant make a dealup concetion ,, any ideas ?
[07:40] <tvaughan> tritium: I already have warty on an old throwaway PC and I've been really impressed so far.
[07:41] <tritium> tvaughan, glad to hear it :)
[07:41] <Stuttergart> who do I contact about problems with the Array 6 ISO?
[07:41] <bretzel> oh! uh... What are the params in fstab to be able to READ ntfs partition ? "defaults" is not sufficiant, normal users cannot read ...
[07:42] <spades> bretzel: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:42] <Loiosh> You're welcome, Suz =)
[07:42] <bretzel> spades: thnx ... gong there..
[07:43] <Loiosh> YAY! Glad to hear everythings going better
[07:43] <LordC> Why are all guides sudo based, is there no option for su in Ubuntu?
[07:43] <zenrox> LordC, sudo is better then su
[07:43] <tvaughan> LordC: I think the root account is disabled by default in Ubuntu.  It's like Mac OS X in that respect
[07:44] <spades> LordC: i think the mentality is newbies are afraid of root, i usually su and do the normal stuff
[07:44] <LordC> So i can activate root somehow, and use su as usual?
[07:44] <beowuff> Is root really disabled by default? I was thinking of trying Ubuntu, but I may have to rethink if this is the case...
[07:44] <Loiosh> Just su
[07:44] <masterShake> once again.... new kernel
[07:44] <zenrox> yes
[07:44] <masterShake> bbiab
[07:44] <Loiosh> It'll work =)
[07:44] <spades> LordC: sudo passwd root and set a pass
[07:45] <LordC> I noticed that in most reviews of Ubuntu I have just read on LQorg, the CONS section always says "sudo"
[07:45] <zenrox> then su will work just fine
[07:45] <LordC> Thanks spades
[07:45] <zenrox> LordC,  thats cause some one dont under stand the powr sudo gives
[07:46] <sic|afk> sup loiosh?
[07:46] <Loiosh> Hey sic =)
[07:46] <LordC> but typing it repeatedly is more annoying than one simple su?
[07:46] <Loiosh> Just on lunch break, reading about google
[07:47] <vIdAr_> Can anybody help me with wlan settings in ubuntu???
[07:47] <bretzel> spades: How can I forget that simple setup ..!!!!! read: I am silly and getting hold! :-P
[07:48] <beowuff> would that be bold or old?
[07:48] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: ping
[07:49] <wildcatj> I've loaded the OS several times now and everytime after the updates are complete and it goes into Gnome, my screen goes black and stays black.  My system doesn't lock up...just no display.  Any ideas?
[07:49] <Loiosh> If you press ctrl+alt+f3 do you see anything, wild?
[07:49] <Loiosh> Like a login prompt?
[07:50] <tritium> wildcatj, don't keep reinstalling.  You probably just need to configure your xserver.
[07:50] <wildcatj> I'll try that.  It just seems funny that I see that it says going to Gnome and then just blacks out.
[07:52] <beowuff> Is there a bouncing cow screen saver available?
[07:52] <m00se> hello
[07:52] <tritium> beowuff, yes
[07:53] <trotsky> i810_audio doesn't give me any sound
[07:53] <m00se> i can't find java ant binary package for hoary (only libant1.[56] -java)
[07:53] <beowuff> K. My gfriend needs her laptop reloaded (running SuSE) and I was looking for alts. Here one stipulation is it must have the bouncing cow :-)
[07:53] <m00se> but it doesn't provide /usr/bin/ant :(
[07:53] <spades> beowuff: copy the screensaver over?
[07:54] <beowuff> spades, nah, I'll see if it's there first. Tritium said it was. Otherwise, I'll see if I can just download it somewhere.
[07:54] <tritium> beowuff, it's here.  I'm looking at it now.
[07:55] <spades> beowuff: i have it listed but no preview
[07:55] <trotsky> How do I remove a module that is running?
[07:56] <trotsky> modprobe says:FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use.
[07:57] <vIdAr_> Hi! I have a problem with my Wlan settings, my Infosmart Wlan Card shows up as ath0, and i the signal strength is showing as 86%. But i have no connection to the network? can anybody please help me?
[08:00] <padlefot_> hi, anybody know howto get my wlan working? it says there is "activity" but i cant reach my access point, nor can I activate "ath0".. anybody?
[08:00] <CarlK> ath?
[08:00] <wildcatj> loiosh-  still no luck.  I saw the login prompt briefly but ctrl-alt-f3 didn't work
[08:00] <AndyR> lo all
[08:01] <padlefot_> CarlK, it says so
[08:01] <padlefot_> ath0, whould be wlan0?
[08:01] <padlefot_> *should
[08:02] <CarlK> i have only seen eth and wlan - but I am no expert
[08:02] <jk> mine is ath0 too...should work fine
[08:02] <padlefot_> jk, what did you do to configure it?
[08:02] <jk> padlefot_: well, i didn't use the System -> Administration -> Networking dialog
[08:02] <padlefot_> hehe..
[08:03] <padlefot_> well if you didn't, then?
[08:03] <padlefot_> would you mind helping me out?
[08:03] <jk> padlefot_: do you use WEP encryption?
[08:03] <padlefot_> ;)
[08:03] <jk> padlefot_: sure
[08:03] <padlefot_> nope
[08:03] <jk> ok, that should be easy
[08:03] <jk> let's see
[08:03] <padlefot_> no passwords, no nothing
[08:03] <jk> you do use dhcp?
[08:04] <padlefot_> but i cant get an IP from the DHCP
[08:04] <padlefot_> yerp
[08:04] <jk> ok
[08:04] <padlefot_> and it doesnt wanna "activate" when i use dhcp
[08:04] <padlefot_> it does if i configure it manually though, but still no wlan
[08:04] <padlefot_> :S
[08:04] <jk> somehow the dialog doesn't work for me as well
[08:04] <jk> so i wrote a small shell script
[08:04] <jk> anyway
[08:04] <padlefot_> and it constantly says i have like 70 to 80 % activity
[08:05] <padlefot_> in the "wireless network monitor gnome app thing" :P
[08:05] <jk> basically you need to run a few commands in the terminal:
[08:05] <padlefot_> ok??
[08:05] <jk> sudo iwconfig ath0 mode managed
[08:05] <jk> sudo dhclient ath0
[08:06] <jk> i even think the first command is unnessesary
[08:06] <jk> as you do have a wlan status
[08:06] <padlefot_> thanx alot mate=) ill check it out
[08:07] <jk> padlefot_: you run warty?
[08:13] <Chris_> whats the difference between Warty Warthog and Hoary Hedgehog
[08:13] <Chris_> im running Warty
[08:13] <Welly> one's a warthog and the other a hedgehog.. it's obvious
[08:14] <jk> Hoary Hedgehog is currently in development, it will be the next release
[08:14] <Chris_> so, its a public beta im guessing?
[08:15] <Myrtti> sort of
[08:15] <airox> When I try to install aterm it wants to delete a numerous lists of packages, how could this be possible ?
[08:18] <Ma1> I just found a *bug* in the shares manager in hoary
[08:19] <tritium> airox, probably conflicts with something you have installed, or one of its dependencies does
[08:19] <drspin> if I have an NFS share and an SMB share for the same folder... whichever one was created first is the only one that I can edit options for
[08:20] <airox> tritium: Would I be able to force the install
[08:20] <airox> ?
[08:20] <airox> Cause otherwise it would delete things like gnome and firefox ... :S
[08:20] <tritium> airox, you would, but that's generally not wise
[08:20] <tritium> airox, I would advise against it
[08:20] <pagefault> anyone having problems with gnome with the latest update on hoary eg: not able to change themes
[08:21] <devdude> ubuntu!
[08:22] <airox> hehe
[08:23] <tritium> airox, oh my Hoary box, installing aterm would not remove anything at all
[08:23] <airox> apt-get -f install also wants a lot to be removed
[08:24] <tritium> airox, then you've got broken dependencies
[08:24] <airox> Hmm, synaptic is indeed complaining about 1 broken dependencies
[08:25] <goldfish_> Does ubuntu have GTK+-2.0 installed?
[08:25] <tritium> goldfish_, yes
[08:25] <goldfish_> k
[08:26] <airox> found it
[08:26] <airox> it's libgnomevfs
[08:27] <awstott> Loiosh from what I hear xp 64bit doesn't have very good driver support lately
[08:27] <airox> It seems it's a hoary package but I'm running wary
[08:27] <airox> warty ...
[08:27] <Chrizack> Hi, Im trying to install Azureus, and to make the client launch when I download a torrent I have to go to File Browser: Internet
[08:27] <Chrizack> can someone point me to where that is
[08:28] <airox> How would I replace the package with the warty one ?
[08:29] <spleenPOT> Help! synaptic and apt-get error: does someone knows how to fix it??? please warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "it_IT", LC_ALL =(unset),        LANG = "it"
[08:29] <airox> nm, i have found how :)
[08:29] <airox> dpkg -i :S
[08:29] <spleenPOT> then  Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:32] <goldfish_> em
[08:33] <Chrizack> Does anyone run Azureus or any time of program that needs File Explorer?
[08:33] <Chrizack> I cant find where it is
[08:33] <Chrizack> File Browser: Internet
[08:33] <Chrizack> thats what I need
[08:34] <airox> You mean in the menu ?
[08:34] <goldfish_> Chrizack: I run azureus
[08:34] <airox> I to.
[08:35] <goldfish_> u mean nautilus
[08:35] <goldfish_> ?
[08:35] <Chrizack> I need to edit someting so when I get a torrent it comes up as default
[08:36] <goldfish_> oh right
[08:36] <Chrizack> wheres File Browser :-P
[08:36] <goldfish_>  /opt/azureus/azureus
[08:36] <goldfish_> is where azureus is
[08:36] <Chrizack> yea i know how to do it
[08:36] <Chrizack> i know where it is
[08:36] <goldfish_> k
[08:36] <Chrizack> I just need to know where File Browser: Internet is
[08:37] <goldfish_> to add an azureus link in menu?
[08:37] <Chrizack> File Browser: Internet
[08:37] <Chrizack>  File Menu -> Create Launcher
[08:37] <Chrizack>  Basic Tab ->
[08:37] <Chrizack>  Name: Azureus
[08:38] <goldfish_> nautilus applications:///Internet
[08:38] <goldfish_> type that in a terminal
[08:38] <goldfish_> then do that stuff
[08:38] <Chrizack> k
[08:38] <Chrizack> ah
[08:38] <Chrizack> ok
[08:38] <darko01> I want to startup Enemy Territory (OSS) while continuing to listen to the music from XMMS and still have sound in et with polypaudio, can anyone help out?
[08:38] <Chrizack> thanks goldfish_
[08:38] <goldfish_> np
[08:39] <airox> In which file would I place aterm configuration options ?
[08:39] <airox> ~/.Xdefaults ?
[08:43] <Seveas> airox, see private chat (pasted text from manpage)
[08:44] <Echylo> omg
[08:44] <Echylo> where to enable php for apache2
[08:44] <Echylo> getting crazy again
[08:45] <drspin> why is it that when I run GL screensavers on my Nvidia my processor usage goes up but on my 3dfx it doesn't
[08:45] <goldfish_> Echylo: ?
[08:45] <goldfish_> Echylo: php not installing on apache for you?
[08:46] <Seveas> Echylo, did you install php already?
[08:46] <Echylo> give me 4 minuts please
[08:46] <Echylo> :p
[08:46] <goldfish_> lol
[08:46] <airox> Seveas: It doesn't want to take the files in those dirs :S
[08:46] <zohra> im in a hoary live cd-- is there anyway to rw to an ntfs?
[08:46] <Seveas> drspin, are you using the standard nvidia drivers or the proprietary (and better) ones?
[08:46] <airox> I guess not.
[08:46] <goldfish_> hrmm...
[08:47] <drspin> Seveas: ?? not sure
[08:47] <airox> zohra: There aren't proper drivers for rw support for ntfs.
[08:47] <Seveas> zohra, there is no way at all to write from linux to ntfs
[08:47] <darko01> yes there is
[08:47] <Seveas> drspin, look on the ubuntu wiki or guide for a manual about proprietary drivers...
[08:47] <zohra> Seveas, yes there is-- i've done it in other distros-- i wondered if the live cd had the right support
[08:48] <Coily> using variables http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/1_hi.html?wm managed to obscure the source of the video, can someone tell me what it is?
[08:48] <Seveas> Seveas, you MUST be mistaken. The only ntfs support so far is overwriting a file with data of the exact same length
[08:48] <darko01> NTFS for linux. a commercial product + Capture NTFS an open source solution but only supports sp1
[08:48] <Seveas> ehm i meant zohra there...
[08:48] <darko01> your the one that's mistaken
[08:48] <darko01> seacrh google for what i said
[08:49] <Seveas> commercial products (ie not open source) are by definition not included in standard Ubuntu distributions
[08:49] <Seveas> darko01, NTFS for linux is quite a non-handy search on google, can you be more specific...
[08:50] <darko01> you need to learn how to search google
[08:50] <darko01> Captive NTFS
[08:50] <airox> www.ntfs-linux.com
[08:50] <darko01> that's the one. then try paragon NTFS
[08:51] <Seveas> $69.95 to be able to use windows crappy fs, no thanks...
[08:51] <airox> darko01: Did you managed to get captive ntfs in ubuntu ?
[08:51] <airox> I'm interested about the driver ...
[08:51] <awstott> you're trying to write to ntfs?
[08:52] <Nekrataal> hi
[08:52] <septeracore> hi
[08:52] <darko01> it just supports sp1 i've HEARD, but i hear so much crap
[08:52] <darko01> i'm using arch
[08:52] <Nekrataal> i just installed ubuntu, but during the installation it never asked of the root password...
[08:52] <Nekrataal> how can i gain root access??
[08:53] <airox> Nekrataal: Check the /etc/shadow file
[08:53] <spades> Nekrataal: sudo passwd root and set one
[08:53] <airox> There isn't a password at default for root.
[08:53] <Seveas> Nekrataal, or don't use a root account but use sudo
[08:53] <Seveas> that's the ubuntu way of doing things
[08:53] <lizdeika> smth's wrong with xorg in hoary
[08:53] <Nekrataal> but sudo still needs the root password
[08:53] <Seveas> no Nekrataal
[08:54] <goldfish_> it is your account password
[08:54] <Seveas> it needs YOUR password
[08:54] <KurganPT> i booted from the ubuntu CD and it got stuck at the loading kernel... anyone had the same problem?
[08:54] <Nekrataal> ok, thanks
[08:54] <airox> Nekrataal: sudo xterm
[08:54] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:54] <lizdeika> xorg eats 16% cpu, everything is so slow
[08:54] <Nekrataal> but sudo passwd root works..
[08:54] <Nekrataal> thanks guys <(
[08:55] <Nekrataal> i have to configurate my keyboard now, and the ATI video card aceleration...etc etc etc...at least the sound works right...
[08:55] <Echylo> give me a wall
[08:55] <airox> WALL
[08:55] <Nekrataal> thanks, see ya
[08:55] <Echylo> *bumps his head to the wall*
[08:55] <airox> That was useless Echylo :)
[08:55] <Echylo> yes
[08:55] <Seveas> I bet the wall liked it
[08:56] <Echylo> there have to be things useless, otherwise there wouldn't be the world useless
[08:56] <Echylo> word*
[08:56] <Echylo> damn
[08:56] <Echylo> always when I try to make a citat I make typo's
[08:56] <lizdeika> is this normal that i have two gdm's running ?
[08:56] <Seveas> if there were no useless things, the word useless itself would be useless
[08:56] <Echylo> heavy
[08:57] <drspin> Seveas: I installed the nvidia-glx package as the wiki says and configured everything long ago (i.e. I get the Nvidia logo when X starts)
[09:00] <drspin> Seveas: is there another way to install the drivers that i'm not finding on the Wiki or Google?
[09:00] <javiolo> drspin: thats the same that happened to me
[09:00] <javiolo> i installed everything
[09:00] <javiolo> a edited the files
[09:01] <javiolo> but it won work (at least on me)
[09:01] <KurganPT> i booted from the ubuntu CD and it got stuck at the loading kernel... anyone had the same problem?
[09:01] <javiolo> i edited XF86Config-4 manually and played with the screen
[09:01] <javiolo> but DO A BACKUP FIRST
[09:01] <goldfish_> lol
[09:01] <drspin> javiolo: mine is working it just uses more CPU than necessaryIMO
[09:01] <Coily> is the mplayer firefox app the only solution to stream wmv?
[09:02] <javiolo> ah, ok just though u were with the same
[09:03] <drspin> javiolo: I got my voodoo4 working in my other machine already -- copied my XF86Config-4 to xorg.conf
[09:04] <javiolo> ok
[09:04] <javiolo> finally i had to use type default screen on the file
[09:05] <drspin> I wonder if I should just install the drivers off of the Nvidia site...
[09:05] <tritium> drspin, no
[09:06] <drspin> tritium: ok - scratch that idea -- why does it use so much processor to render in 3D?
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> how would I disable vesafb from loading??
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> someone please help me ='(
[09:07] <ernst> join
[09:08] <tritium> BrianAnthony, did you try blacklisting it?
[09:08] <BrianAnthony> tritium: yeah
[09:08] <Seveas> BrianAnthony, why disabling it?
[09:08] <mystify> ok, once i install a game or two from synaptic, how do i access it and play it?
[09:08] <BrianAnthony> Seveas: For my graphics card. It cause X to lock up
[09:08] <Seveas> ah
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> I have to use shitty drivers, or no Xorg at al
[09:09] <mystify> can anyone helpe me?
[09:09] <Seveas> try to figure out when it gets loaded
[09:09] <Seveas> mystify, which game?
[09:09] <mystify> pacman
[09:09] <goldfish_> mystify: /usr/games/
[09:09] <goldfish_> should be in there
[09:09] <tritium> BrianAnthony, even when you configure X to _not_ use fb?
[09:09] <Seveas> in a console type `pacman`
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> tritium: yeah
[09:09] <Seveas> or use the filebrowser to browse to /usr/share/games
[09:09] <mystify> how do i do that though?
[09:10] <tritium> BrianAnthony, maybe daniels could tell you
[09:10] <goldfish_> mystify: using gnome?
[09:10] <mystify> what do you mean?
[09:10] <goldfish_> Do u have the Applications tab top left of screen?
[09:10] <goldfish_> and Computer
[09:10] <mystify> yeah
[09:10] <goldfish_> click Computer > Disks
[09:10] <goldfish_> open the filesystem one
[09:11] <goldfish_> browse to /usr/share/games like Seveas said
[09:11] <ernst> Does anyone knows something about SysCP on Ubuntu?
[09:11] <goldfish_> shoud be in there
[09:11] <mystify> tahnks
[09:12] <blaaa> is there an install guide anywhere?
[09:13] <StoffBox-Steve> just come in ... blaaa for what ?
[09:13] <goldfish_> SysCp
[09:13] <goldfish_> i think
[09:13] <blaaa> oh for ubuntu
[09:14] <goldfish_> oh
[09:14] <goldfish_> sorry
[09:14] <goldfish_> :)
[09:14] <blaaa> like a definitive one...im having trouble finding one on the site
[09:14] <blaaa> heh
[09:14] <ernst> Is a systems control panel for ISP servers
[09:14] <goldfish_> blaaa: ubuntu installation guide?
[09:14] <blaaa> yea
[09:14] <goldfish_> blaaa: the installation is fairly self explanatory
[09:15] <iotc247> Hello.. Anyone know anything about sis-agp, nvidia driver, and sis chipset 760?
[09:15] <blaaa> ah k
[09:15] <blaaa> i have windows on a raid and i wanna put ubuntu on a spare 200gb ide drive i have
[09:15] <blaaa> anything special ima have to do?
[09:16] <goldfish_> wow
[09:16] <Loiosh> You shouldn't need to, blaaa.
[09:16] <StoffBox-Steve> the ubuntu install is easy :D , but when you have look and you hardware ... having driver in backhand is allways a good thing
[09:16] <goldfish_> 200gb :)
[09:17] <StoffBox-Steve> whynot goldfish_ ... when he have the space :D
[09:17] <goldfish_> lol
[09:17] <goldfish_> Anyone used nessus?
[09:17] <blaaa> yea eventually im gonna put linux on the raid but my dad will not let me format yet...and i really wanna try it out
[09:17] <StoffBox-Steve> try the live CD blaaa
[09:18] <blaaa> ive been using live cds
[09:18] <blaaa> i wanna install
[09:18] <blaaa> :D
[09:18] <goldfish_> hehe
[09:19] <blaaa> and what, once i install ubuntu i get a choice at boot which os to use?
[09:19] <StoffBox-Steve> :D that give you dad a nice drink or 2 or 3 and than ask again :D
[09:19] <blaaa> well he gave me the ok to format the ide drive
[09:19] <Seveas> blaaa, yes you get that choice at boot
[09:20] <StoffBox-Steve> when grub found all OS blaaa, when not you easy can add the windows boot to grubmenu
[09:20] <blaaa> will files like mp3's, zips, rars, video files work between the partitions?
[09:20] <blaaa> err the drives
[09:21] <Seveas> blaaa, from windows you can neither read from or write to linux partitions
[09:21] <StoffBox-Steve> is the Win a Fat32 or a NTFS ?
[09:21] <Seveas> from linux you can read and write fat32
[09:21] <Seveas> and read ntfs
[09:21] <blaaa> erm whats winxp agian?
[09:21] <Seveas> writing to ntfs is only possible using commercial tools
[09:21] <blaaa> fat32?
[09:21] <iotc247> Hey can anyone help me with the problem stated here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217 ?
[09:21] <Seveas> blaaa, most likely ntfs
[09:21] <Loiosh> NTFS usually, blaaa
[09:22] <Seveas> but you can check that fairly easy
[09:22] <iotc247> Yeah theres stuff like captive i think that let you write though.. I thought it was free and did this not sure.
[09:22] <StoffBox-Steve> normaly winXP is a nfts .. that make a FAt32 pati to use it at a "temp drive" to transfer files between linux and Win
[09:23] <blaaa> if you remember can ya tell me how to check?
[09:23] <blaaa> in winxp
[09:23] <goldfish_> blaaa: Right click on C;
[09:23] <blaaa> heh k
[09:23] <goldfish_> properties
[09:23] <goldfish_> shud tell u what format
[09:24] <StoffBox-Steve> someone know nices sites for gimp ?
[09:24] <blaaa> so ill be able to read but not write to nfts?
[09:24] <iotc247> Correct
[09:24] <goldfish_> yes
[09:24] <blaaa> k that works
[09:25] <iotc247> Just make sure that ntfs filesystem is compiled into the kernel...
[09:25] <goldfish_> javiolo: work?
[09:25] <MM2> Last year I was in hotel which has LAN which worked after computer was plugged to wall... I wonder how that was implemented? (I did not need to reconf dns, gateway etc)
[09:25] <blaaa> iotc247, will i see something like that at installation?
[09:25] <StoffBox-Steve> can write too, but thats only not 100% done now.. so better dont use it ;)
[09:25] <iotc247> No
[09:25] <iotc247> You have to do it after the installation
[09:26] <blaaa> k
[09:26] <Coily> does anyone have long load times for compusa.com in Fx? im guessing it has something to do with the asp protocol... or something else?
[09:26] <Amaranth> anyone here like the iTunes Music Store? :)
[09:26] <iotc247> I do
[09:26] <blaaa> tnx guys i guess that was all teh questions i needed for installation...i will have more soon ;)
[09:26] <iotc247> Its easy to remove the drm thats why lol.
[09:26] <Amaranth> iotc247: are you on hoary?
[09:26] <goldfish_> blaaa: Good luck ;)
[09:27] <iotc247> I will be when i download the 32 bit version.. had 64 bit installed but got tired of non working libs like w32codecs
[09:27] <Amaranth> ah
[09:27] <iotc247> Right now running xp
[09:27] <iotc247> just to download
[09:27] <Amaranth> i wanted you to try out my new app
[09:27] <iotc247> for some reason i burn dvd at 1 kb per second in linux and in windows i burn at the normal 4x speed..
[09:27] <iotc247> What app is that
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> someone what a Coffee? ,) , i go to make one ....
[09:28] <iotc247> Hey anyone can help me with my problem at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217
[09:28] <Coily> would someone mind trying compusa.com in Fx...
[09:28] <Amaranth> iotc247: it accesses the iTunes Music Store :D
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> Fx ) firefox Coily ?
[09:28] <Coily> StoffBox-Steve, firefox
[09:28] <iotc247> Ill do it when i get hoary installed
[09:28] <iotc247> Email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>amaranth with the info ill do it then.
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> 2 sec to load the site ... but have 2Mb/s
[09:29] <Coily> youre running ubuntu?
[09:29] <StoffBox-Steve> jap
[09:29] <StoffBox-Steve> hoary
[09:29] <Coily> hm
[09:29] <iotc247> Whats gonna be new in grumpy?
[09:29] <Seveas> iotc247, lots of things :o)
[09:29] <Coily> im having problems with it loading, but it has nothing to do with my speed
[09:29] <iotc247> lol i know like what
[09:29] <Coily> very strange
[09:29] <Seveas> iotc247, no one knows yet
[09:30] <iotc247> Oh
[09:30] <alistaird> What's the appropriate forum for Ubuntu usability discussions?
[09:30] <iotc247> thought stuff was planned wasnt sure
[09:30] <Seveas> that will be decided at the kickoff meeting
[09:30] <iotc247> I just hope someone fixes my stupid agp problem.. Dam you hp for using sis chipsets.
[09:30] <Seveas> :)
[09:31] <iotc247> And i would have gotten a new mobo but that would void my service plan...
[09:31] <VladDrac> 'llo
[09:32] <iotc247> Would someone mind taking a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217 and telling me any fixes or anything about it... I want to be able to play games but i cant... I can only have my agp card in pci mode since agp freezes up and nvagp doesnt support stupid 760 chipset.
[09:34] <StoffBox-Steve> still here!
[09:35] <flicks> hello, I have a little question about totem in ubuntu
[09:35] <StoffBox-Steve> how can we help you flicks ?
[09:35] <flicks> why can't it read a dvd  ?
[09:36] <flicks> should it be able to read a dvd ?
[09:36] <StoffBox-Steve> i think so, you need a package for that .. but dont ask me the name
[09:36] <iotc247> libdvdcss or something like that i think
[09:36] <Welly> alright guys, does anyone know of a task/application switcher to use instead of the standard windows type task bar you get as standard?
[09:38] <iotc247> Nope no idea sorry.
[09:38] <csorrell> Can someone point me to some tips to make my Xorg reponde quicker and leave less tracers when doing things?
[09:39] <Welly> ok.. i saw a kind of macos x type switcher on some distro
[09:40] <iotc247> Stoff you know alot about agp and nvidia issues?
[09:41] <flicks> libdvdcss... thanks, I will check that out.
[09:41] <iotc247> I think thats the name not positive flicks
[09:42] <dazed_> i installed limewire via...alien changed rpm to deb then installed the deb...how do i run it now..?
[09:43] <Blissex> dazed_: command line?
[09:43] <iotc247> that or terminal
[09:43] <dazed_> i typed limewire in term
[09:43] <dazed_> and nothing happened
[09:43] <iotc247> hmm
[09:43] <StoffBox-Steve> what command was for changing the locale ? aber upgrade form warty to hoary my ubuntu is a Mix of Eng+Deu dont look realy nice
[09:43] <dazed_> no such file or dir
[09:44] <blaaa> can i burn the warty image to a dvdr?..im outta cdrs
[09:44] <Blissex> dazed_: 'dpkg -L limewire'
[09:44] <Blissex> blaaa: yes.
[09:44] <blaaa> k tnx
[09:44] <dazed_> its already been dpkg
[09:44] <blaaa> hola blissex :D
[09:44] <Blissex> blaaa: but just continue using Knoppix or whatever...
[09:44] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:~ $ limewire
[09:44] <dazed_> runLime.sh: runLime.sh: No such file or directory
[09:44] <dazed_> thats what it gives me
[09:45] <blizah> im final installing linux, blissex :)
[09:45] <goldfish_> cool
[09:45] <StoffBox-Steve> you what to install LW dazed_ ?
[09:46] <StoffBox-Steve> where you have installed it dazed_ ?
[09:46] <dazed_> i used mc to installl
[09:46] <StoffBox-Steve> try > /path/to/lime/LimeWire
[09:46] <dazed_> how do i know where installed it
[09:47] <goldfish_> dazed_: locate update-db
[09:47] <goldfish_> from terminal
[09:47] <goldfish_> then, locate limewire
[09:47] <dazed_> did update...locate limewire returned nothing
[09:48] <goldfish_> hmm
[09:48] <iotc247> Ok then try locate wire
[09:48] <iotc247> see if it comes up as a partial name
[09:48] <StoffBox-Steve> btw why you have used a rpm .. download the .bin and that > sh LimeWire.bin  its a good thing :D installes it that way a few hours ago
[09:48] <Blissex> goldfish_: StoffBox-Steve: note that he has typed 'limewire' but the error comes from 'runLime.sh'
[09:48] <Blissex> so obviously the 'limewire' command is being found...
[09:49] <goldfish_> oh right
[09:49] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steve: the only thing on the limewire site is the .rpm
[09:49] <goldfish_> sorry I am a n00b :)
[09:49] <dazed_> i created a .deb pkg with alien
[09:49] <dazed_> then i used mc to install the .deb pkg
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> ok oben synaptic look at > section > installed ( old or locale ) lime should show up there .. than properties and then look and the files Tab ...
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> you can see what files being installed and where
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> oben / open
[09:52] <iotc247> No one knows anything about agp nvidia issues?
[09:53] <StoffBox-Steve> nope, my Fx5200 works fine
[09:53] <iotc247> Dam
[09:53] <iotc247> Cause my fx5200 is no good since i can only run in pci mode.. agp part freezes up since i need agp gart and sis-agp cause its a sis760 chipset.. So startx hardlocks...
[09:54] <StoffBox-Steve> :S
[09:54] <iotc247> Wish there was a way to get stupid agp part to work...
[09:54] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steme: i found these installed files /usr/bin/LimeWire /usr/lib/LimeWire  /usr/lib/LimeWire.jar
[09:55] <iotc247> ok run /usr/bin/LimeWire
[09:55] <StoffBox-Steve> than > /usr/bin/LimeWire to start it
[09:55] <iotc247> or jsut LimeWire
[09:55] <Blissex> iotc247: ask in #NVIDIA, but probably you are doing something erroneous like loading 'rivafb' too. or you could use just the 'nvidia.o' driver without using the kernel AGP support.
[09:55] <iotc247> LimeWire should work... Thats what sometimes annoys me about linux... Its cap sensitive..
[09:55] <iotc247> Oh thanks didnt know about #NVIDIA
[09:56] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:~ $ /usr/bin/LimeWire
[09:56] <dazed_> bash: /usr/bin/LimeWire: No such file or directory
[09:56] <iotc247> Ok thats odd
[09:56] <iotc247> cd /usr/bin && ls | grep ire and tell us what shows up if anything..
[09:56] <Blissex> iotc247: it could be the it is not 'x'
[09:57] <iotc247> huh?
[09:57] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* your allway i sec faster than me iotc247 :D
[09:57] <dazed_> iotc247: cd /usr/bin && ls | grep ire
[09:57] <dazed_> whoops
[09:57] <Blissex> iotc247: 'chmod a+rx /usr/bin/LimeWire'
[09:57] <dazed_> iotc247: directomatic
[09:57] <dazed_> firefox
[09:57] <dazed_> limewire
[09:57] <dazed_> mozilla-firefox
[09:57] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:/usr/bin $
[09:57] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:/usr/bin $
[09:57] <dazed_> whoops sorry****!!!
[09:57] <dazed_> meant to do it on one line
[09:58] <goldfish_> heh
[09:58] <iotc247> Wait why are you telling me to chmod it im helping the guy not having the issues lol..
[09:58] <iotc247> ok then in the /usr/bin dir do ./limewire
[09:59] <dazed_> no such file or dir
[09:59] <iotc247> hmm...
[09:59] <dazed_> really messe dup huh
[09:59] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed_, i can look for the .bin version when you want
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> it probably calls something on the first line
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> which is either not there
[09:59] <nwood> Question: I'm establishing my system in Ubuntu, but need to get my hands on Lilypond.  I'm not finding it through either apt-get or Synaptec, and I'm not sure (being a newb) how to go about installing it from the lilypond site (http://www.lilypond.org/web/download/)
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> or ends with DOS characters
[09:59] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steve thatd be nice but i got class right now be done in an hour ill be back
[10:00] <iotc247> Ok well tty then
[10:00] <StoffBox-Steve> ok dazed_ im here :D
[10:00] <dazed_> thanks see ya in a bit
[10:00] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[10:01] <iotc247> nwood follow the directions here
[10:01] <iotc247> http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/lilypond.html
[10:02] <nwood> iotc247 - on my way there.  Many thanks.
[10:03] <iotc247> Your welcome
[10:03] <Marble2> how can I output the results of a find command to a file?
[10:04] <iotc247> Ah i think like find / file >> /path/to/file but not 100% sure
[10:05] <Blissex> nwood: get the equivalent Debian package... Almost all are compatible with Debian.
[10:06] <Blissex> nwood: get the equivalent Debian package... Almost all are compatible with Ubuntu :-).
[10:07] <javiolo> i have a problem with locate
[10:07] <javiolo> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:07] <Welly> hey all.. i just had to reset my computer right.. booted back in and my panels at the top and bottom are missing
[10:07] <Slaven> I need quick help
[10:07] <factotum> try slocate -u
[10:07] <Welly> it said "i've detected a panel running so i'll exit" or something like that
[10:08] <javiolo> tried updatedb, and sudo updatedb
[10:08] <Slaven> I want to boot Windows XP from a logical partition located on the same drive as GRUB
[10:08] <iotc247> let me find you a guide slaven
[10:08] <Slaven> so it is possible?
[10:09] <iotc247> slaven yes its easy
[10:09] <Slaven> great
[10:09] <iotc247> just forgot the exact layout
[10:09] <vrok> could someone test packages from http://estel.wpia.uw.edu.pl/~vrok/aptsh/ ?
[10:10] <Welly> anyone know how I can get them back??
[10:10] <vrok> they are made with debian sid, and I'd like to know whether the work with ubuntu
[10:10] <Coily> can someone help me with choosing a router - im looking for linux hackability
[10:10] <StoffBox-Steve> have you try restart the X server Welly?
[10:11] <factotum> Coily: you can replace the firmware on a linksys with a linux version
[10:11] <Welly> StoffBox, i'll try again
[10:11] <iotc247> slaven just hold on still trying to find a guide
[10:11] <factotum> or get an old 486 and build one yourself
[10:11] <Coily> factotum, ya i know. the thing is ive got 3 (different brand) routers lined up here for under 20bucks
[10:11] <Coily> im tyring to figure out which one to pick
[10:12] <Slaven> iotc247: Thanks. :)
[10:12] <factotum> mind sharing what they are? it might help
[10:12] <iotc247> slave ok add into /boot/grub/menu.lst at the bottom title Windows
[10:12] <iotc247> root (hd0,0)
[10:12] <iotc247> chainloader +1
[10:12] <iotc247> title Windows starts the first line of what you need to add in
[10:12] <Welly> StoffBox-Steve, just restarted, got the same message  and the panels are still missing
[10:12] <Coily> sure let me get the versions of em...
[10:12] <iotc247> and (hd0,0) is equal to /dev/hda...
[10:12] <kent> vrok, so you dont want to test them, and ask for some one else to test them? Why would people do that?
[10:12] <Slaven> iotc: That's how it's right now.
[10:13] <vrok> kent: oh, not exactly
[10:13] <Slaven> But it doesn't boot right.
[10:13] <factotum> lol
[10:13] <StoffBox-Steve> hmmm Welly, wait a mom
[10:13] <Coily> Motorola WR850G, D-Link DI-524, and the AT&T 6800G
[10:13] <iotc247> What partition is windows installed on
[10:13] <vrok> kent: I'm author of them, and I don't have anu ubuntu system
[10:13] <javiolo> just installed xmms
[10:13] <Coily> thats not much help but maybe someone has input on any of em
[10:13] <javiolo> but it doensnt work
[10:13] <javiolo> anyone ?
[10:13] <Slaven> /dev/hda5 (hd0,5) -- a logical partition
[10:13] <kent> vrok, ok.
[10:13] <Welly> ok.. no problem
[10:14] <factotum> vrok: it helps to let people know that up front, they wont get so bent out of shape then :)
[10:15] <iotc247> hmm ok ah you have that part in your menu.lst with it set to (hd0,5) right?
[10:15] <iotc247> actually wait if its /dev/hda5 its (hd0,4) i think
[10:15] <javiolo> just installed xmms
[10:15] <javiolo> but it doensnt work
[10:15] <javiolo> anyone ?
[10:15] <Anubis>   gdm: Depends: ubuntu-artwork but it is not installed
[10:15] <Anubis> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
[10:15] <Slaven> yes
[10:15] <Slaven> it's set to 0,4
[10:16] <vrok> factotum: noted :)
[10:16] <Slaven> is there even anyway to boot Windows XP from a logical partition?
[10:16] <Slaven> with grub?
[10:16] <andril> hello all
[10:17] <iotc247> slaven yeah it should be possible... i dont see why it isnt... what happens when you try to boot
[10:18] <airox> Where is the rar package for warty ?
[10:19] <Agrajag> it's in multiverse
[10:19] <Agrajag> since it's nonfree
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i look around but not find really usefull things
[10:19] <andril> does anyone know how to add the "Home" icon to the desktop?
[10:20] <infernall-work> hey guys, im missing fonts with flash 7.  some flash that works fine on other distros and windows, has text missing on the ubuntu system.  Can anyone point me in the  right direction?
[10:20] <StoffBox-Steve> /home/you/.gnomedesktop  andril  --- i think
[10:21] <StoffBox-Steve> /home/you/.gnome-desktop  andril  --- i think
[10:21] <StoffBox-Steve> than simple take a link to you homedir
[10:21] <andril> StoffBox-Steve: I'LL TY THAT - THANKS
[10:22] <StoffBox-Steve> np andril :)
[10:23] <BrianAnthony> is there anything at all like modconf for ubuntu?
[10:23] <iotc247> slaven still there?
[10:24] <LordC> Well i just tried to install ubuntu, and it kept warning me the following modules werent available: amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy
[10:24] <LordC> :(
[10:24] <queuetue> How stable is hoary these days?
[10:24] <iotc247> Lord looks like a bad download...
[10:24] <LinuxJones> BrianAnthony, not really
[10:24] <wavefunction> 'nite
[10:24] <scot_> can someone point me to a guide for setting up wireless networking in ubuntu?  I come from the world of FC and it was easy to set up there.  Any suggestions??
[10:24] <iotc247> que very stable id say
[10:24] <goldfish_> queuetue: stable is out in april, so its close enough to it
[10:25] <goldfish_> scot_: search the forums maybe?
[10:25] <queuetue> iotc247, goldfish_, is sidt-upgrading a clean warty system safe?
[10:25] <goldfish_> ubuntuforums that is
[10:25] <LordC> iotc247: I downloaded warty i386 directly from the Primary Uk mirror, and md5 checked out
[10:25] <Rocco> jemand da der deutsch spricht
[10:25] <LinuxJones> scot_, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[10:25] <iotc247> What do you mean que..
[10:25] <dseomn> scot_: avoid the cards that need ndiswrapper, the native ones often work better
[10:25] <scot_> Thanks!
[10:26] <iotc247> dist-upgrade i think iwll only upgrade all packages in the distro.. If you want to go from warty to hoary in sources.list change all warty to hoary
[10:26] <queuetue> iotc247, Askin if it is safe to edit apt.sources and apt-get dist-upgrade too hoary, rather than install hoary directly...
[10:26] <blizah> install went ok :D
[10:26] <dseomn> queuetue: this isn't an rpm distro, it's the safest way
[10:26] <airox> ubuntu rulez :)
[10:26] <blizah> <--blaaa
[10:26] <goldfish_> blizah: cool
[10:27] <airox> Just a statement :))
[10:27] <andril> is there an official Ubuntu update for Firefox?
[10:27] <wavefunction> Where can I find the current '.config' used to configure the kernel by ubuntu install ?
[10:27] <queuetue> dseomn, sorry, I didn't follow completely dist-upgrading is the safest way?
[10:27] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, in the  /boot/ directory
[10:28] <dseomn> queuetue: yes, with cd's you could lose your configuration and home folder if you mess up
[10:28] <andril> is the 4.10 release the latest?
[10:28] <queuetue> dseomn, Oh, well, I took my home partition offline for this. :)
[10:28] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Hmmm, shame on me ... an easy place. :) Thanks.
[10:28] <queuetue> The list of upgraded packages is just *massive.*
[10:28] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, ;)
[10:28] <Rocco> where can i find a list of available wlan's?
[10:28] <LinuxJones> andril, the latest stable release yeah
[10:28] <infernall-work> i had a safe an uneventful hoary upgrade from dist
[10:28] <dseomn> queuetue: no larger than downloading the entire cd though
[10:29] <queuetue> Amd very modern - it's hard to believe I'm looking at a debian variant here...
[10:29] <LinuxJones> andril, Hoary is the development version and becomes the stable version of Ubuntu in April
[10:29] <andril> so - by doing SYNAPTIC IS THE BEST WAY TO UPGRADE?
[10:29] <LinuxJones> andril, you can use synaptic or apt-get from the command line
[10:30] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* queuetue i upgraded yesterday .. have to load over 500Mb of stuff ... take me 30min :(
[10:30] <queuetue> StoffBox-Steve, I assume you don't live in a small New England town with mom-and-pop DSL. :)
[10:30] <Rocco> where can i find a list of available wlan's? or how can a generally connect to those?
[10:30] <Marble2> what's a good app for playing .avi/ other media files
[10:30] <queuetue> It'll take me a while longer.
[10:31] <Marble2> besides vlc
[10:31] <andril> LinuxJones: just loking for Firefox 1.0 - not familiar with apt-get command
[10:31] <goldfish_> andril: have u used synaptoc?
[10:31] <[mitch] > Marble2: mplayer
[10:31] <goldfish_> *synaptic
[10:31] <andril> yes - i have
[10:31] <Marble2> andril: run apt-get install firefox
[10:31] <goldfish_> at-get is the non gui equivalent
[10:31] <Blissex> andril: Synaptic gives you a list of available packages by topic/subtopic.
[10:31] <Marble2> that should upgrade you to 1.0 or download it if you don't have it
[10:31] <StoffBox-Steve> no queuetue i life in a small German town with DSL 2000 ( 2mb/s ) :D
[10:31] <Marble2> [mitch] : do you have a link?
[10:31] <kent> Marble2, i use totem with xine backend (called totem-xine in ubuntu).  Use the win32codecs and you can see most movies on the planet
[10:31] <LinuxJones> andril, FFv1 is in hoary but it's in heavy development, you can download FF from their website and install it to your home directory.
[10:31] <Marble2> nvm, google got it
[10:32] <scot_> hey!  having a hard time su-ing to root.  Come to think of it, I don't remember the install asking for a root pw?  Am I missing something??
[10:32] <ir1> sudo su -
[10:32] <Marble2> kent: totem-xine crashes all the time on me
[10:32] <andril> yeah but the don't recommend that on the FF side
[10:32] <Marble2> and it's kinda crappy
[10:32] <marcin_ant> hello!
[10:32] <marcin_ant> I need heeeelp
[10:32] <queuetue> StoffBox-Steve, Nice.  I sometimes consider unplugging the DSL modem and using a dialup one. :)
[10:32] <goldfish_> Marble2: u can apt-get mplayer iirc
[10:32] <goldfish_> Marble2: what is wrong?
[10:32] <acs> How do I see ubuntu's version?
[10:32] <acs> I forgot the command
[10:32] <marcin_ant> how to share printer from ubuntu with samba
[10:32] <LinuxJones> acs, cat /etc/issue
[10:32] <andril> I guess I'll have to wait till April - thNKS\
[10:33] <marcin_ant> and make this printer available to xp users without any password authentication?
[10:33] <queuetue> acs, look at /etc/issue or doa  uname -a (for kernel version)
[10:33] <andril> Yeah how can you tell the version? I run Synaptics daily
[10:33] <acs> thanks LinuxJones and queuetue
[10:34] <queuetue> Offtopic, is SATA hot-swappable?
[10:34] <StoffBox-Steve>  *GG* it a few years since i use a modem ... have startet with a 14.4 Kb/s 5 years ago than isdn 2 years later dsl 2000 :D .. wow that was fast ...
[10:34] <queuetue> acs, Glad to help.
[10:34] <andril> thanks guys
[10:34] <[mitch] > 14.4 Kb.s?  luxury!  9600 baud, now *that* was something...
[10:34] <andril> still having issues adding Home to my desktop
[10:35] <queuetue> Raise hands, everyone who used to use an acoustinc coupler for actual comunications. (as opposed to a conversation piece. :) )
[10:35] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* 9600 [mitch]  browse a website take a whole day ^^
[10:36] <[mitch] > andril:  create a new launcher on the desktop, and put "nautilus --browser /home/USERNAME" in the command box
[10:37] <[mitch] > StoffBox-Steve: but in those days websites didn`t have any graphics - and gopher and kermit were apps of the day *g*
[10:37] <ir1> anyone knows howto fix the : timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl when shutting
[10:39] <andril> OWWWWW That worked! I have ben loking for Nautilus
[10:39] <andril> Thanks
[10:39] <javiolo> any help ?
[10:39] <[mitch] > andril: np
[10:39] <javiolo> just installed xmms and cant work
[10:40] <[mitch] > javiolo: does the app start, or does it just fail to play music?
[10:40] <javiolo> it doesnt start
[10:40] <javiolo> clicking on the media menu
[10:41] <blizah> so.. :D    is the first thing i need to do is update firefox, gaim, etc..?
[10:41] <[mitch] > javiolo: run xmms from a terminal - see if there are any error messages
[10:41] <kent> javiolo, if you run it from a terminal (rightclick on the desktop and choose run terminal), and from there run "xmms" does it give any messages
[10:41] <kent> [mitch] , you got before me :)
[10:41] <[mitch] > kent:  ;)
[10:41] <javiolo> libmikmod.so.2: no se puede abrir el fichero del objeto compartido: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[10:41] <javiolo> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:42] <javiolo> the spanish phrase is It can open the file of shared object: the file doesnt exist
[10:42] <warty> What is so great about ubuntu?
[10:43] <kent> javiolo, have you installed packages from debian or something like that?
[10:43] <jon1012> hello
[10:43] <[mitch] > warty: it has three u's in it?
[10:43] <javiolo> i installed xmms from synaptic
[10:43] <javiolo> xmms and gxmms
[10:43] <warty> Sorry I am a newbie
[10:44] <goldfish_> warty: Used linux before?
[10:44] <warty> never
[10:44] <goldfish_> warty: Well, it's good for first timers.
[10:44] <goldfish_> I think.
[10:44] <goldfish_> I am a n00b.
[10:44] <Loiosh> I agree with that
[10:44] <[mitch] > javiolo: I get a similar error - but xmms starts fine.
[10:44] <VladDrac> anyone here with a latitude d600 by any chance?
[10:44] <goldfish_> inspiron 8600
[10:45] <blizah> should i go update gaim and firefox?  (ive just installed ubuntu)
[10:45] <VladDrac> hmm probably too different
[10:45] <goldfish_> :/
[10:45] <javiolo> so any idea ?
[10:45] <[mitch] > javiolo: if you have made other updates, it may be worth rebooting. </standard sysadmin response>
[10:45] <VladDrac> does your laptop suspend well?
[10:45] <goldfish_> blizah: if u want the updated versions :)
[10:45] <blizah> (notice that those are the two apps i know from windows)
[10:45] <goldfish_> VladDrac: doesnt suspend at all
[10:45] <javiolo> yep i rebooted 2 times ;)
[10:45] <goldfish_> VladDrac: I havent sorted that actually
[10:45] <VladDrac> ah :)
[10:45] <[mitch] > :)
[10:45] <warty> goldfish_ have you tried any other
[10:46] <kent> [mitch] , javiolo, i dont get that message, but i have two mikmods lib installed (gstreamer-plugin-mikmod something, and libmikmod2).
[10:46] <goldfish_> warty: nope
[10:46] <warty> ok  thanx
[10:46] <goldfish_> warty: mandrake is good
[10:46] <goldfish_> i was told
[10:46] <goldfish_> and Sarge
[10:46] <warty> ty
[10:46] <[mitch] > javiolo:  try installing beep-media player from synaptic - it's a gtk port of xmms
[10:46] <queuetue> Well, my business partner just gave a yes vote for Ubuntu, based on it's clean design, easy installation and the fact that you can see down the shirt of the girl on the web page.
[10:46] <goldfish_> lol
[10:46] <kent> [mitch] , javiolo,  perhaps run it with "strace xmms" from a terminal. ?
[10:47] <javiolo> strace xmms ?
[10:47] <goldfish_> it is a debugger i think
[10:47] <goldfish_> well
[10:47] <blizah> whats the linux equivalent of program files?..if there is one
[10:47] <ir1> javiolo: be prepared for lots of output
[10:47] <goldfish_> pipe it to a file
[10:47] <goldfish_> blizah: /usr/bin
[10:47] <HavoK> hi there, how do i change sudo password?   There are 5 of them now?
[10:48] <ir1> havok: just give all the users the same password then ..
[10:48] <javiolo> wow
[10:48] <javiolo> you didnt lie
[10:48] <javiolo> i get a lot..
[10:48] <HavoK> ir1: well, the real question was
[10:48] <kent> javiolo, but if you do that, please dont paste all text here. Go to a random #channel, and past it there (tell us before so we can watch)
[10:48] <HavoK> (telephone's ringing)
[10:48] <blizah> is /etc where most of my programs will go?
[10:49] <HavoK> ir1: well, the real question was
[10:49] <blizah> such as gaim, firefox, xchat
[10:49] <blizah> things of that nature
[10:49] <javiolo> ok, i though about a dcc send
[10:49] <HavoK> how  do i set password of sudo like root's  password?
[10:49] <ir1> blizah /etc is where all the config goess
[10:49] <HavoK> how  do i set password of sudo as the root's  password?
[10:49] <jon1012> no... the programs goes in /usr (and then the binary in /usr/bin, the shared files in /usr/share, etcc)
[10:49] <kent> javiolo, that can do aswell. just dcc it to me.. or mitch, or any one else who wants to read :)
[10:49] <javiolo> ok
[10:49] <thenuke> HavoK: would it be better if you edit /etc/sudoers so that you dont have to type the password at all
[10:49] <GarySaved> and does anyone know when the next one will be posted?
[10:49] <dazed_> anyone know where to get LimeWireLinux.bin?
[10:49] <blizah> ah ok
[10:49] <goldfish_> dazed_: google for it :)
[10:50] <javiolo> wait a sec cos i think strace xmms > problem.txt didnt work it
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: the sudo to root password?
[10:50] <blizah> irl: so where are firefox and gaim located?
[10:50] <HavoK> goldfish_: yes
[10:50] <goldfish_> javiolo: did it make the file problem.txt in the directory u are in?
[10:50] <HavoK> (I've already set a root password)
[10:50] <javiolo> yep
[10:50] <javiolo> but its empty
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: same thing
[10:50] <goldfish_> oh
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: well
[10:51] <Marble2> how can I run something as a certain user?
[10:51] <HavoK> Marble2: su username -c command (IIRC)
[10:51] <goldfish_> HavoK: sorry ignore that
[10:51] <thenuke> dazed_: I used apt-get to install limewire
[10:51] <javiolo> the ppl whos hlping me plz join #javiolo
[10:51] <HavoK> goldfish_: ok =)
[10:51] <kent> javiolo, most of the time its onle the last few lines that are interesting. So you can probably just run strace xmms and past the last X lines into a file, and send that file
[10:51] <Rocco> @blizah gaim has an icon in your internet-programm-list. firefox is in /etc i think. search for it using "whereis firefox"
[10:51] <goldfish_> :)
[10:52] <ir1> havok: man sudoers, look for rootpw
[10:52] <thenuke> or did i.. hmm
[10:52] <blizah> k
[10:52] <javiolo> the ppl whos hlping me plz join #javiolo
[10:52] <Marble2> how do I get the username
[10:52] <Marble2> it says invalid user id
[10:52] <Marble2> er id rather
[10:53] <HavoK> ir1: thanks
[10:53] <ir1> marble: you must be root to do this
[10:53] <Marble2> I am
[10:53] <GarySaved> Was last october when they started the calendar desktops?  There are 5 of them now?
[10:53] <ir1> havok: np
[10:53] <ir1> marble2: userid -> username is in /etc/passwd
[10:53] <Marble2> er how do I run a command under a certain group?
[10:54] <ir1> marble2 chgrp I guess (not sure)
[10:54] <rwabel> hi
[10:55] <rwabel> i've a little problem mounting a reiserfs partition with write permission. I tried with a normal entry in fstab with defaults 0 1, am I missing something?
[10:55] <thenuke> Marble2: if you want to run a command as user foo you would type sudo -u username command
[10:55] <thenuke> Marble2: instead of that -c
[10:56] <thenuke> man sudo ..
[10:57] <thenuke> oh it was su and not sudo what someone suggested
[10:57] <thenuke> but if that su does not work, use that what I said
[10:58] <dazed_> thenuke: i tried apt-get couldnt find it
[10:58] <thenuke> dazed_: yup, I guess I did not remember right
[10:59] <Blissex> rwabel: write permission is the default.
[11:00] <Blissex> rwabel: if the partition however is damaged and needs checking, ReiserFS will only mount it read-only until it is repaired, and if this is the case it will log a message to say so.
[11:00] <andril> good night all
[11:00] <StoffBox-Steve> re dazed_ :D
[11:00] <MadMortagan> Gahh.. Ubuntu is driving me crazy! I cannot uninstall it. About three hours ago I came in here and someone told me to just boot up on a floppy and fdisk it, I did that but it kept trying to load GRUB and cannot get past that.. I need help! I cannot use my windows computer!
[11:00] <rwabel> blisse: I just formated a new partition as reiserfs and added to the fstab and typed sudo mount -a
[11:01] <rwabel> blisse: and it only mounts read-only
[11:01] <Blissex> rwabel: then perhaps you got the 'fstab' line wrong. Try to 'mount' it explicitly with both device and mountpoint...
[11:01] <MadMortagan> Can someone help me please?
[11:02] <Marble2> grr, I get this every time I open a file in vlc
[11:02] <Marble2> oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[11:02] <Marble2> and my sound doesn't work in it :(
[11:02] <Marble2> anyone know how I can fix it?
[11:02] <StoffBox-Steve> have you added the Windows OS on the grub menu MadMortagan ?
[11:02] <amiloM1425> @madmortagan "fdsik /mbr"
[11:02] <Marble2> i tried changing permissings to /dev/dsp
[11:02] <Blissex> MadMortagan: it is considered rather bad manners to ask again for help more requently than every 5-10 minutes.
[11:02] <MadMortagan> Blissex:
[11:02] <MadMortagan> What do you mean?
[11:02] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed_, i not find the .bin of lime ... but i have upload it for you :D
[11:03] <rwabel> blisse: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1          reiserfs defaults       0       1
[11:03] <VladDrac> how 'stable' is hoary?
[11:03] <MadMortagan> I have added XP to the grub, but after fdisking Ubuntu it stops at grub
[11:03] <VladDrac> is it like debian testing, or more like unstable/experimental?
[11:03] <Marble2> MadMortagan: tried LILO?
[11:04] <MadMortagan> Mable2:  No effect
[11:04] <Blissex> rwabel: try 'umount /mnt/hdb1; mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1; mkdir /mnt/hdb1/TEST'
[11:04] <MadMortagan> Marble2*
[11:05] <StoffBox-Steve> more like testing VladDrac .. many run hoary withot any probs :) *me too*
[11:05] <Marble2> can anyone help me out with my vlc problem above?
[11:06] <rwabel> blisse: still permission denied
[11:06] <HavoK> Marble2: maybe you have  esd running
[11:06] <HavoK> (i do)
[11:06] <Marble2> how would I check?
[11:06] <Blissex> rwabel: as which user are you esecuting these commands?
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: all of them as 'root'?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: i'd use ps ax | grep esd
[11:07] <Marble2> i do
[11:07] <rwabel> blisse: as root expect the creation of the directory
[11:07] <Marble2> is that the problem?
[11:07] <stazich> hey guys, has anyone managed to get MPLAYER working on ubuntu linux? if so how is it done, im kind of nube in installing software, if anyone could explain to me what i need to install MPLAYER id really appreciate it... are there any required modules i have to run before putting mplayer on?
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: why?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: pheraps it is, I'm not sure
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: why not the creation of the directory?
[11:07] <occy> is there some gui tool I can load a mysql db dump in?
[11:07] <HavoK> but you can kill it without troubles
[11:07] <Marble2> what does esd do?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: it's a sound daemon
[11:07] <rwabel> blisse: because I want to have write access as normal user to the partition
[11:08] <psi> stazich: i did it just now
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: try as 'root'.
[11:08] <queuetue> occy, Like emacs?
[11:08] <jbailey> Anyone here have an array6 install willing to help me with some testing?
[11:08] <psi> stazich: i downloaded the source from the mplayer site, and used dpkg-buildpackage to make a debian package
[11:08] <Marble2> that didn't fix it
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: as root it works
[11:08] <bzbb> jbailey, how do you know which array you have?
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: trying to fool people who are trying to help you is a very very bad idea.
[11:08] <stazich> ok
[11:08] <occy> queuetue: heh, something easy.
[11:08] <HavoK> hmm, let's say, it makes possible to share the /dev/dsp thing
[11:08] <HavoK> marhmm
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: sorry, don't fool anyone
[11:08] <Marble2> any other ideas?
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: then read a simple tutorial on permissions in the UNIX/Linux filesystem...
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: I need to have write access as normal user and not root
[11:08] <HavoK> Marble2: no idea...
[11:09] <queuetue> occy, Well, what do you want to do with the dump?
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: Erm...  Excellent question.  Array6 came out this morning, though, so you'd have to have done it today.
[11:09] <bzbb> ok
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: A recent daily snapshot will do if you have that, though.
[11:09] <stazich> psi: im using a G3 imac, do i have to get any special source packages?
[11:09] <occy> queuetue: easily look at the fields
[11:09] <bzbb> I guess that means its time to dist-upgrade
[11:09] <Blissex> rwabel: access as normal user and not root is a very very different thing from mounting a reiserfs partition with write permission
[11:09] <BWGames> where can i get libvorbis0 for warty?
[11:09] <bzbb> I'm running hoary, but I haven't updated for about 3 days
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: I'm hunting a bug and I'd rather not play away my box to prove that it's a bad bug.
[11:09] <IronRoses> anyone using ubuntu 5.04?
[11:10] <queuetue> occy, then just use less: "less file.sql"
[11:10] <occy> queuetue: heh, thanks.  :P
[11:10] <[mitch] > bzbb:  don' t update unless you want to lose all your menu icons... ;)
[11:10] <Blissex> rwabel: or it only mounts read-only
[11:10] <psi> stazich: i don't know. i guess the regular source package is ok.
[11:10] <bzbb> jbailey, well, as this is my primary computer, I'm going to have to say
[11:10] <bzbb> no
[11:10] <rwabel> blissex: aha, ok. I've achieved to mount  vfat partition with normal user access, and trying now to make the same for a reiserfs partition
[11:10] <jbailey> bzbb: *lol*  I was looking for someone who had *already* done a recent reinstall ;)
[11:10] <psi> stazich: specifically, the command i used (in the mplayer source root) was: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[11:11] <IronRoses> anyone need help in getting their usb 2 hdd's working?
[11:11] <bzbb> oddly enough, I have a spare machine in my basement, running warty
[11:11] <stazich> MPlayer v1.0pre6a source <------- are these the files i need off their site then PSI?
[11:11] <psi> stazich: yes
[11:11] <Blissex> rwabel: those are completely different things again. Mounting rw/ro and directory permission are completely different things and explained in any tutorial on UNIX/Linux.
[11:11] <lok> IronRoses, have you a tips ?
[11:11] <IronRoses> yeh, configure the damn fstab
[11:11] <IronRoses> it's easy as hell
[11:12] <stazich> ok
[11:12] <psi> stazich: i've never built it on a g3, so i'm just assuming really. good luck :)
[11:12] <Blissex> rwabel: as well as mounting VFAT and ReiserFS, they operate in totally different ways.
[11:12] <lok> mmh yesterday my hdd doesn't make the sda block device , I doubt that the fstab had solve this probleme
[11:12] <psi> stazich: you probably need to install the fakeroot package from apt
[11:12] <IronRoses> open the root terminal, type mkdir usb, go to fstab, and configure away, put the dev on to /dev/sda1 and mnt on to /media/usb
[11:12] <stazich> so i unpack this package to a folder then get into it through shell and type in that command?
[11:12] <IronRoses> simple as that
[11:12] <rwabel> blissex: that's why I tried to ask here to find out how to mount a reiserfs partition so normal user has fully access to it
[11:12] <stazich> whats that>?
[11:13] <psi> stazich: it lets you make the package as a regular user
[11:13] <BWGames> where can i get libvorbis0 for warty? need it for mencoder...
[11:13] <Blissex> rwabel: you should read some tutorials/HOWTOs before asking questions like that...
[11:13] <rwabel> blissex: I was googling around for a longtime but didn't find out how to mount a reiserfs partition this way
[11:14] <lok> with the user option in the fstab
[11:14] <stazich> thanks man, il try to do it as i would and see what it tells me... then i might install if i need to that stuff from apt
[11:14] <IronRoses> the only problem i'm habving is with tcl, amsn can't find tcl defintions for tasbar icon
[11:14] <IronRoses> buti'mnot to botherd
[11:14] <shawn__> BWGames :  maybe apt-get install libvorbis-perl?
[11:14] <Blissex> rwabel: sometimes you have to read a book, not Google. Google only returns hacks. You need to know how the system works in general.
[11:14] <BWGames> shawn__: thanks will try that
[11:14] <Blissex> rwabel: what you want to do has nothing to do with mounting.
[11:15] <lok> IronRoses, do you have try to install fully tcl library
[11:15] <IronRoses> go to the debian site, read from their documentaion, since this is pratically debian but with a few fancy tricks you'll learn lots
[11:15] <dazed> anyone know where to get ETerm or Esetroot
[11:15] <lok> dazed, enlightenment site
[11:15] <dazed> whats that?
[11:15] <dazed> the link*
[11:15] <IronRoses> lok, what?
[11:16] <rwabel> blissex: didn't know that, I thought mounting the way I mount my vfat partition would be the same. Didn't know how different reiserfs partition are
[11:16] <sri> anybody make any debs of galago?
[11:16] <queuetue> e.org, I thought...
[11:16] <IronRoses> don't you just love noobs....
[11:16] <goldfish_> dazed: google?
[11:16] <BWGames> shawn__: no go :(
[11:17] <LordC> Major installation annoyance
[11:17] <queuetue> dazed, You may want to look a *little* bit before you ask. (enlightenment.org)
[11:17] <LordC> Upon installing, i get warned that some modules cannot be loaded yet - but if i continue they may be installed later...
[11:17] <LordC> amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect ide-floppy
[11:17] <blizah> for updating gaim they have a list of specific distros (none of which are gaim) then an autopackage...do i download the autopackage?
[11:17] <IronRoses> ah well, back to watching little britain
[11:17] <IronRoses> speak later
[11:17] <shawn__> BWGAmes:  actually... on my system there is only a libvorbis-perl.
[11:17] <dazed> well i had no idea what the e stood for...so before i type "e website" in google i thought id ask
[11:17] <dazed> :)
[11:17] <goldfish_> dazed: hehe
[11:17] <LordC> I tried re-burning the CD, at a low speed. The MD5 is sound
[11:17] <Lithi> Im having some problems with a G3 and Ubuntu if someone could read my post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17874
[11:18] <burner> blizah: apt-get install gaim?
[11:18] <shawn__> BWGAmes:  maybe that package provides the shared object?
[11:18] <blizah> ah ok
[11:18] <IronRoses> lmao
[11:18] <BWGames> shawn__: apt-get says "package is referenced by blahblah, but is uninstallable.." need to find a repository with it i think
[11:19] <Blissex> rwabel: that's why you need to read a book on how the UNIX and Linux filesystems work. A very simple introductory book. There is one on TLDP.org
[11:19] <LordC> So if anyone has any advice, i would love it xD
[11:19] <IronRoses> apt-get update
[11:19] <IronRoses> that'll update the respo's
[11:19] <rwabel> blissex: well, I read on a tutorial this one "rw read & write..." so I thought it will be the solution. I'll check the book out. thanks
[11:19] <JStrike> dazed : You dont want to go messing around with enlightenment unless you know what you are doing
[11:20] <dazed> i just needed Eterm and esetroot...but its cool i got feh
[11:20] <Blissex> rwabel: you need to understand how the UNIX filesystem works in general. it is not just a one case thing.
[11:21] <Marble2> ugh
[11:21] <Marble2> I just went to reboot, and when I tried booting to ubuntu, it just hung there :(
[11:21] <IronRoses> ohhh
[11:22] <lok> dazed, http://www.eterm.org/
[11:22] <Lithi> is there a ppc ubuntu channel?
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Does Ubuntu work with Airport Extreme cards?
[11:22] <IronRoses> don't know
[11:22] <IronRoses> what are they?
[11:22] <stazich> i am trying to build a package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc command but the result it tells me is that GCC system type cannot be determined... does this mean i have not or have a bad installation of gcc?? i check whether it is installed through Synaptic Package Manager buit it tells me it is there, version gcc 3.3... what should i do?
[11:23] <Quest-Master> They are on Macs
[11:23] <Lithi> Quest-Master: I would think so
[11:23] <IronRoses> stazich, i don't really know, try reinstallingc
[11:23] <IronRoses> *gcc
[11:25] <Lithi> Quest-Master: From my google search it apears that the Airport Extreme does not work in linux because they are closed source drivers
[11:25] <Hammerattack> hrm...
[11:25] <Lithi> Quest-Master: But Im still willing to bet there is a darwin port
[11:26] <Hammerattack> Slashdot just had something the otherday about streaming to airport from linux.
[11:26] <Lithi> yea but not using a Airport Extreme
[11:26] <Hammerattack> aah, you're right. Airport Express. And not from Linux.
[11:27] <Hammerattack> Soyeah, you're still sol.
[11:27] <Lithi> Anyone here have a G3 running ubuntu? I need some help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17874
[11:27] <scot_> hey, DNS with firefox is killing me.  Is this an IPV6 issue, does it need to be disabled?
[11:28] <blizah> sry for all these questions...im looking at an apt get howto but i still dont really get it
[11:28] <Lithi> scot_ possibly
[11:28] <stazich> ok, i went back to synaptic package manager and checked all the installed GCC components like 3.3 and 3.4 base for reinstallation and checked the GCC 3.3 and 3.4 for installation coz they werent on the system before, just the base... so now it did the reconfiguring of the system... should i reboot before trying to install the packages again?:)
[11:29] <[mitch] > scot:  yeah - open up about:config page, and filter for ipv6 - set it to false
[11:29] <blizah> im tring to update gaim with apt-get...where do i begin :D
[11:29] <stazich> Lithi : i have it up for 2 days on my G3 imac..
[11:29] <scot_> cool, thanks!
[11:29] <Hammerattack> You should be able to just type ldconfig then go ahead and start compiling stuff.
[11:29] <rwabel> blissex: ahh thanks guding me. If I'm right I just need to make a folder with the right permission so normal user has access to the folder.
[11:29] <Lithi> stazich: Yea I ment the hold Blue and White tower
[11:29] <Lithi> old*
[11:30] <Lithi> if there was just a way to tell yaboot to load a diffrent initrd from the boot: prompt
[11:34] <usual> where would I find the latest information on adding multimedia support such as mp3 playback and video playback to haory?
[11:35] <tizen> Array 6 being released, is that why the servers are very slow?
[11:35] <Hammerattack> Okay, I added universe to symantic, but the graveman package isn't showing up.
[11:35] <Hammerattack> synaptic
[11:35] <usual> Hammerattack, you looking for a nice gnome burning program?
[11:35] <Hammerattack> Yeah, but I got graveman instead
[11:36] <dazed> Hey ...how can i get my term window transparent like this image http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/ma3j_goldengreen.jpg
[11:36] <Hammerattack> What have you got?
[11:36] <usual> Hammerattack, I just used one that I was very happy with
[11:36] <Hammerattack> Okay.
[11:36] <Hammerattack> So...where do I get it?
[11:36] <usual> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=1
[11:36] <Hammerattack> 'Cause even though it's supposed to be in universe, it's not showing up.
[11:36] <queuetue> warty->hoary is a BIIIG list of downloads to wait for...
[11:36] <goldfish_> dazed: you can make your gnome terminal transparent very easily
[11:36] <LordC> Can anyone help with my installation hell?
[11:37] <usual> this is the closest thing to k3b for gnome that I have seen
[11:37] <usual> it worked flawless for me
[11:37] <Hammerattack> I liked K3B. It's probably the only K app I'll be missing.
[11:37] <usual> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[11:37] <usual> Hammerattack, this one works pretty similar
[11:37] <dazed> goldfish_: how?
[11:38] <Hammerattack> sweet. I'll d/l it.
[11:38] <queuetue> Actually, are there any burning programs that will easily copy a BIG filesystem onto multiple dvds?  (Onto real, browseable DVDs, hopefully ext2 formatted?)
[11:38] <goldfish_> dazed: Click Edit, Current Profile,
[11:38] <dazed> ok
[11:38] <usual> Hammerattack, I loved it, make sure you have what it requires, I found I needed a few packages to burn audio cd's
[11:38] <goldfish_> dazed: Effects, turn on transarency
[11:38] <tizen> for some reason i can only get 15 kB/s from the main ubuntu archive... Anyone else having this problem?
[11:39] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed, what with LimeWare you want the Bin ?
[11:39] <Lithi> usual: ubuntuguide.org
[11:39] <usual> ty
[11:39] <dazed> yeah ...stoffbox
[11:40] <jeff_> does ubuntu have cd burning software built in?
[11:40] <StoffBox-Steve> www.bysteve.de/linux/  <<theres the bin :D
[11:40] <Lemonzest> whats a good emule client for linux?
[11:40] <Kokey> somebody has upgrade recently? after the upgrade mi video it's too sloooow!
[11:41] <Kokey> I'm using Hoary and xfree86
[11:41] <StoffBox-Steve> i use amule, like it more than xmule : Lemonzest
[11:41] <queuetue> hoary and xfree86?  Why not xorg?
[11:41] <StoffBox-Steve> i hope you have java installed dazed ;)
[11:41] <Kokey> and the Xfree in some times use more than 35% CPU
[11:41] <Lithi> Lemonzest: ubuntuguide.org (amule)
[11:41] <dazed> id have to go get it ..forgot that limewire needs that
[11:41] <dazed> www.sun.com?
[11:42] <dazed> best place ?
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> jup :D
[11:42] <goldfish_> dazed: no
[11:42] <dazed> or apt-get?
[11:42] <goldfish_> apt-get
[11:42] <goldfish_> www.ubuntuguide.or
[11:42] <Kokey> this machine has the 865 intel, so it doesn't work with xorg and the patch
[11:42] <goldfish_> dazed: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> sun is the right place :D
[11:42] <goldfish_> or that
[11:42] <goldfish_> well
[11:42] <goldfish_> read the instuctions at ubuntuguide.org
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> goldfish_, the guide linking to sun :D
[11:42] <dazed> ok
[11:42] <goldfish_> yeah
[11:42] <goldfish_> but instructions are there StoffBox-Steve
[11:42] <goldfish_> sorry
[11:43] <StoffBox-Steve> right :) there are awesame usefull :D
[11:44] <guptan>  my windows system often crashes(freezing up - reason unkown) so I changed to ubuntu - ubuntu keeps freezing more often, what cud be the problem, how can I trace it out
[11:45] <dazed> i cant find java on that site goldfish_
[11:45] <goldfish_> lol
[11:45] <goldfish_> lol
[11:45] <goldfish_> haha
[11:46] <goldfish_> dazed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:46] <goldfish_> instuctions are there
[11:46] <goldfish_> the link to the .bin is there to
[11:46] <goldfish_> which is on sun.com :)
[11:47] <Welly> hi all, do you know if there's a utility for building metacity themes?
[11:47] <Lemonzest> does aMule take on the GTK2 theme? because it looks like a kde app
[11:48] <StoffBox-Steve> guptan, sounds like thats not an OS prob ... maybe a hardware .... have you made a memtest ?
[11:48] <guptan> StoffBox-Steve, no, not yet
[11:50] <StoffBox-Steve> ok memtest need _TIME_ but is usefull  reboot and on the grub bootup menu chose memtest86 guptan  .. when the bootmenu dosnt come up and start press ESC
[11:50] <wasabi> im having some trouble getting tomboy running
[11:50] <wasabi> it doesn't. launches, sits there for awhile, then exits.
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> try running it with --tray-icon
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> by default it tries to be a panel applet, which doesn't seem to work.  for me, anyway.
[11:52] <usual> where are the latest gstreamer packages for hoary
[11:52] <usual> seb128?
[11:52] <guptan> StoffBox-Steve, thanks for the info
[11:53] <zul> evening
[11:53] <seb128> usual: in hoary
[11:53] <usual> seb128, k
[11:54] <seb128> why ?
[11:54] <seb128> apt-cache show package | grep Version to see the version of a package
[11:55] <usual> seb128, I had a problem and ended up with a fresh install of hoary. It's been so long since my warty/hoary/multimedia install that I didn't know if anything had changed since
[11:55] <chillywilly> bah
[11:57] <StoffBox-Steve> :D np guptan
[11:58] <usual> seb128, What makes the package versions vary? Like I notice most of the packages in hoary are 0.8.7 but some are 0.8.9
[11:58] <seb128> usual: gstreamer is 0.8.9 and gst-plugins 0.8.7, they are upstream versions
[11:59] <blizah> so how do i use apt-get?...i couldnt find a good howto
[11:59] <usual> seb128, thank you