[12:00] <toyowheelin> GotD0t, are you using it for webdev practice?
[12:00] <rsgill> i have anohter question about evolution
[12:00] <__daniel> GotD0t, tell it to         AllowOverride None        Order deny,allow        Deny from all        Allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> ::1/128
[12:01] <rsgill> is there a button i could hit to apply filters?
[12:01] <ljlane> RuffianSoldier: there's a section named FILE in nearly all man pages. You can do "/FILE<enter>" to get (search, really) to it. The THEMES section may be of more interest to you though. Press "N" to repeat a search.
[12:01] <GotD0t> toyowheelin: no actually... its kinda complicated, i know what i need to do i just dont know how to set up apache
[12:01] <ljlane> err, FILES
[12:01] <RuffianSoldier> May someone just friggen t3ell me where to untar it too? i find this a bit uneccesary
[12:02] <rt> hmm.  I should rig up this belkin monitor switch before I do this.
[12:02] <__daniel> RuffianSoldier, have a look in /usr/share/gkrellm *shrug* (don't have it installed)
[12:03] <rt> so, as this disk burns, can someone explain to me why they think that ubuntu has gotten a lot of buzz lately?
[12:03] <rt> what does it offer that other distributions do not?
[12:03] <GotD0t> cuz its great
[12:03] <GotD0t> haha
[12:04] <rt> all distributions are great, at least if you ask the people that make them.
[12:04] <GotD0t> well i certainly didnt make ubuntu
[12:04] <toyowheelin> rt it works in 64bit easly
[12:04] <GotD0t> ;-)
[12:04] <toyowheelin> ???
[12:04] <SmokingFire> I read the RIAA is cracking down on win32codecs downloads. $10,000 minimal penalties. Of course ubuntu/Canonical has to monitor this channel and forward all of its logs.
[12:04] <toyowheelin> :shrug:
[12:04] <Eno_> rt: its basically debian with a six month release cycle and easier install with nice defaults
[12:04] <rt> don't have any 64 bit machines, so that's not a big selling point w/ me.
[12:05] <rt> how could the RIAA crack down on win32codec downloads?
[12:05] <GotD0t> smokingfire i dont believe the riaa has any right to the logs
[12:05] <toyowheelin> SmokingFire, thats nice
[12:05] <GotD0t> legal or moral
[12:06] <toyowheelin> remind me to go get those codecs later
[12:06] <toyowheelin> lol
[12:06] <SmokingFire> Not, saying its true but its nice to start stupid rumors, lets see how far this one goes.
[12:06] <SmokingFire> Like the other one of IBM buying ubuntu
[12:06] <jdub> rt: every time i tell people about a commercially supported derivative of debian, with a regular release schedule, with a great group of people from Debian/GNOME/Python/etc working on it, they grab my collar and demand to know where it is. (Of course, since Preview, that hasn't been a huge issue.)
[12:06] <rt> with the elections here coming up, there is plenty of stupidity.  Why not start rumors which are actually intelligent and true instead?
[12:06] <adam_> uh... here's a dumb question, i have a deb package on my hd, how do i install it?
[12:06] <adam_> lol
[12:07] <GotD0t> see, its people like you that make crazy finnish professors say the internet is going to end in 2006 because of viruses and bad info floating around
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[12:07] <__daniel> adam_, dpkg -i bla.deb
[12:07] <SmokingFire> rt: If its intelligent and true then its news and not a rumor.
[12:07] <__daniel> adam_: oh yes, jdub's right
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: why do you have a separate debian package (instead of something via apt)?
[12:07] <rt> heh.  You don't watch much news, do you?
[12:07] <adam_> its not on the repositories?
[12:07] <jdub> guys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[12:07] <jdub> adam_: what is it?
[12:07] <adam_> its bitpim, allows me to put ringers on my phone
[12:08] <rt> okay, time to go swap my cables around, and then give ubuntu a try.
[12:08] <adam_> it actually comes as an RPM, i converted it to a deb using alien
[12:08] <jdub> aha
[12:08] <GotD0t> is that such a good idea?
[12:08] <adam_> sweet it works yay :-) thanks.
[12:08] <GotD0t> guess so
[12:08] <GotD0t> heh
[12:09] <matthew> how can i get divx and xvid to work with gstreamer?
[12:09] <GotD0t> oooh, RIAA go get matthew... he wants codecs
[12:09] <matthew> GotD0t: yes.
[12:10] <GotD0t> matthew: it was a joke... cant help you sorry
[12:10] <matthew> hrmm
[12:10] <matthew> i cant find the packages in restrcted
[12:10] <Sensebend> cough w32codecs cough
[12:10] <GotD0t> thats pretty cool. where can i get the button?
[12:10] <adam_> why wouldn't it work?
[12:10] <matthew> Sensebend: would it be called gstreamer0.8-w32codecs?
[12:10] <__daniel> GotD0t, it came with my desk :-)
[12:10] <adam_> if it doens't, it doesn't work and i'll uninstall heeh
[12:12] <Sensebend> dunno never used gstreamer, but that package includes a lot of proprietary codecs
[12:13] <mjr> there's no gstreamer plugin for w32codecs
[12:13] <jdub> matthew: w32codecs is not available from the ubuntu repositories, you can get it from marillat's
[12:13] <JewDan> when I try to compile my printer driver i get this :: ./xlexinstall: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:13] <JewDan>
[12:13] <JewDan> whats wrong
[12:13] <mjr> it's doable, of course, but nobody's done it
[12:14] <matthew> ok
[12:14] <Sensebend> is gstreamer a media player?
[12:14] <__daniel> JewDan, you seem to have to install tk8.3 before
[12:14] <Eno_> JewDan: install apt-file, apt-file search libtk8.3.so
[12:15] <Eno_> it's tk8.3-dev
[12:15] <matthew> also i have a hp5850 printer, it has 802.11b wireless support and it able to be shared with all my windows computers, does anyone know how to make it work in linux?
[12:19] <alka_trash> damn ubuntu is good!
[12:19] <brettcar> alka_trash: Welcome to the cult!
[12:20] <moyote> Light the fires. :-)
[12:20] <Sensebend> welcome!
[12:20] <alka_trash> I just plugged in my multi-disk reader and BAM! there is was
[12:20] <Sensebend> now give $5 to all cult err users
[12:20] <moyote> I must say ubuntu is quite painless and smooth
[12:20] <jdub> Sensebend: gstreamer is a library/framework for multimedia applications to use
[12:21] <Sensebend> I switched from Sarge, so the transition wasn't bad at all
[12:21] <alka_trash> The only thing that I don't get is that my other hard drives don't show up in gnome under computer
[12:21] <Sensebend> are they in /etc/fstab?
[12:21] <alka_trash> Sensebend: yep
[12:21] <Sensebend> or mounted?
[12:21] <alka_trash> and they are mounted at /mnt/...
[12:22] <alka_trash> I can browse to them
[12:22] <alka_trash> maybe I should try to unplug them while it's hot and hotplugg will detect them.
[12:24] <jef1> Is there a way to load the Grub bootloader on a floppy, and start up with that?
[12:24] <GotD0t> where is the apache2 default htdocs directory?
[12:25] <jdub> GotD0t: /var/www (see /etc/apache2/ for the configuration)
[12:25] <ogra> GotD0t: /var/www
[12:25] <JoePenguin> I see that there is a tool for changing screen resolution. What about color depth?
[12:26] <jdub> JoePenguin: has to be done in the configuration file
[12:26] <jdub> the screen resolution gui thingy only applies to RandR
[12:26] <JoePenguin> oh ok
[12:27] <GotD0t> thanks
[12:28] <root___> hi guys
[12:28] <ogra> hi root :) how's administration ?
[12:28] <Lukhas> hehe
[12:28] <moyote> lo
[12:28] <root___> how can i install a .deb file, which is on my hdd?
[12:28] <brettcar> root___: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:28] <ogra> dpkg -i
[12:28] <srbaker> robster, dpkg -i
[12:28] <brettcar> root___: P.s. don't IRC as root
[12:28] <srbaker> grrr nick comp
[12:28] <srbaker> root___, dpkg -i
[12:28] <root___> ops
[12:29] <root___> sorry:)
[12:29] <srbaker> root___, are you using ubuntu
[12:29] <srbaker> ?
[12:29] <mjr> *sigh* there used to be a noble goal to be able to change color depth at will with XRandR also, but that's pretty much on hold
[12:29] <kmdr_winebago> ok i know you all need time to think cause this is serious, but maybe someone can help me?: hello i'm installing ubuntu as my second system on an ibm thinkpad r40e and the wiki says it works fine but i can't get it to boot. first it hung up on the frame buffer (?) so I added the extra parameter suggested in one of the helps. next time it hung up a step earlier, while setting up some kind of...
[12:29] <kmdr_winebago> ...logs. support, please.
[12:30] <alka_trash> I got it, it was a permissions issue in fstab ( doh )
[12:31] <riley> anybody else having problems viewing MPEG, DVD, and basically every kind of video in Totem?
[12:31] <siretart> kmdr_winebago: try adding "nolapic" to your boot options. my r40 works very unreliable with lapic
[12:31] <kmdr_winebago> siretart, unreliable, as in bad idea to install
[12:32] <spiv> riley: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <siretart> kmdr_winebago: havn't tried. mostly suspend and poweroff didn't work, freezes from time to time.. just give it a try..
[12:32] <kmdr_winebago> ok
[12:32] <riley> spiv: thanks
[12:33] <mr_tob> riley: set up a chroot 32bit environment and if you are successfull then tell me how it is working
[12:35] <hazmat> what does sabdfl stand for?
[12:35] <hazmat> south african benevolent dictator for life?
[12:35] <sabdfl> hazmat: close
[12:35] <limaunion> riley: I get a blue screen in Totem but playing the file in works as it should
[12:35] <__daniel> limaunion, i get it too
[12:35] <riley> limaunion: weird
[12:35] <hazmat> hiya mark ... care to end the suspense?
[12:35] <__daniel> limaunion, you have to restart totem to get rid of it
[12:37] <ogra> hazmat: self applied ;)
[12:37] <hazmat> ah
[12:37] <hazmat> hehe
[12:37] <limaunion> I've restarted but it's the same, in fullscreen works ok...
[12:37] <rt> well, that was distracting.
[12:37] <rt> hard to cook and hack computers simultaneously.
[12:40] <limaunion> __daniel: I'm planning to install mplayer...
[12:40] <atariboy> you need a USB powered Ramen noodle cooker then
[12:40] <atariboy> ;)
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, i like totem better
[12:40] <rt> ramen is only cookng if you make the noodles yourself. :-)
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, the interface fits into the whole thing, mplayer is strange to me
[12:40] <toyowheelin> can you use grep to find all text matching one string but not matching another
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, but i won't stop you
[12:40] <RuffianSoldier> is there a way to make GKrellm HOrizontal?
[12:40] <atariboy> rt: who says? :P
[12:40] <limaunion> __daniel: I understand you, but this Totem bug...
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, it is although i didnt experience it with totem-gstreamer
[12:40] <ctalkep> hi guys
[12:40] <__daniel> limaunion, maybe i should file a bug against it
[12:40] <ctalkep> any idea why gdesklet ain't working? installed it through synaptic
[12:41] <__daniel> ctalkep, if you worked it out, tell me :-)
[12:41] <ctalkep> oh:(
[12:41] <limaunion> __daniel: yes, that would be a great idea, probably there're more people with the same problem
[12:41] <ctalkep> poor us....
[12:42] <__daniel> limaunion, hehe: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=totem+%22blue+screen%22&btnG=Suche&meta=
[12:42] <limaunion> __daniel: good catch!
[12:43] <moyote> Where are the menu fonts changed?
[12:44] <ogra> limaunion: try opening the totem menu while playing in bluescreen
[12:45] <StarScream> is there an application in ubuntu which will let me configure/use my speedtouch usb modem with pppoa? dmesg picks the device up
[12:48] <ogra> limaunion: does the bluescreen go away if you opened  a menu ?
[12:48] <limaunion> ogra: will try now and tell you
[12:49] <ogra> limaunion: i'm experiencing this as well, seems to be related to some overlay stuff....there seems to be no bug in bugzilla.gnome.org
[12:50] <dommi> how would ubuntu work as a media center
[12:51] <limaunion> ogra: I can't reproduce now the same behavior, but I'm having another strange problem, if the movie is paused and inmediately un-paused I get 'an error ocurred: the audio device is busy. is another application using it?'
[12:52] <alf> hi - i've just installed ubuntu, and i'm looking for a little help detecting my wireless card and soundblaster live platinum. tried a few things i found through google, but that hasn't helped so far. can anybody offer some advice?
[12:53] <moyote> alf: what wireless card? pci
[12:53] <ogra> limaunion: time to file a bug i think...
[12:53] <alf> yes, it's a pci card. just trying to remember if it's netgear or linksys - one of the two.
[12:53] <__daniel> limaunion, strange: working from the console makes it work for me
[12:54] <alf> netgear
[12:54] <moyote> alf: if it's a netgear, depending on the model, it may use the atheros driver which works in ubuntu. My card is a Netgear WG311 and no problems setting it up.
[12:54] <alf> yes, it's a wg311. what should i do to enable the drivers?
[12:55] <moyote> alf: Computer > System> Networking
[12:55] <moyote> alf: are you using WEP?
[12:55] <limaunion> yes, will try to reproduce the sound error behavior with Xine, instead of Totem
[12:56] <ctalkep> how do i mount a fat32 partition?
[12:56] <AtnNn> mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /mnt/xxxx
[12:56] <alf> i've tried computer>system>networking, but there are no wireless devices showing up.
[12:56] <ctalkep> vfat..........that si weird:)
[12:57] <alf> yes, it's a WEP network
[12:57] <moyote> alf: you have to add the wireless info
[12:57] <limaunion> it's a Totem bug, Xine doesn't have this sound error...
[12:58] <ogra> limaunion: the bluescreen one neither
[12:58] <alf> moyote: what does that involve?
[12:58] <limaunion> ogra: yes, two Totem bugs...
[12:59] <ogra> limaunion: totem-xine
[12:59] <moyote> alf:the creating a new network connection will step you through the info. You need to know the name of your network and if you use wep, the key that you use.
[12:59] <limaunion> ogra: yes, you're right!
[01:00] <ctalkep> how come i mounted my winXp partition and now i cannot umount it? device is busy??
[01:00] <limaunion> ogra: can you reproduce the sound error bug ? just start any video and pause/un-pause inmediately
[01:01] <Eno_> ctalkep: if you're inside it move out of it, or try /etc/init.d/fam stop and try again
[01:01] <ctalkep> i am not inside it, so i'll try tha latter, 10x
[01:02] <__daniel> ctalkep, if your partition is called /bla and on /dev/hdc6 you can do   lsof | grep -E "(/bla|/dev/hdc6)"   to see what's using it
[01:03] <ctalkep> i'll try, thanks a lot
[01:03] <__daniel> de rien
[01:03] <ogra> limaunion: sound works here....
[01:03] <ogra> limaunion: no error
[01:04] <limaunion> ogra: ok
[01:04] <neodreams> Ubuntu rule :)
[01:06] <mazogs> hello
[01:06] <neodreams> hi :)
[01:06] <__daniel> hai
[01:06] <blacknyx> hey
[01:06] <limaunion> hola
[01:07] <mazogs> hello all, i have a cuestio abount ubuntu
[01:07] <neodreams> Bonjour
[01:07] <limaunion> cia
[01:07] <limaunion> ciao
[01:07] <mazogs> hola limaunion
[01:07] <neodreams> Allo
[01:07] <__daniel> mazogs, go ahead
[01:07] <limaunion> mazogs: hola!
[01:07] <mazogs> i cant install Xvnc in ubuntu why?
[01:08] <ogra> maze: it's already built in into gnome :)
[01:08] <__daniel> mazogs, what message do you get?
[01:08] <eruin> anyone know if gnome can use .ico files instead of .png for icon themes?
[01:09] <neodreams> no, i think
[01:09] <ogra> mazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop
[01:09] <eruin> crap
[01:09] <eruin> I notice I can use .ico files when manually selecting an icon in nautilus, but can't get them to work as themes
[01:09] <mazogs> Xvnc is not in vnc-common, a find that lots of packages are incomplete
[01:09] <mazogs> but i just want Xvnc....
[01:09] <ogra> eruin: yep, it's not windows
[01:10] <__daniel> eruin, just run   convert bla.ico bla.png
[01:10] <neodreams> you must use .svg or .png
[01:10] <eruin> convert doesnt handly transparency :/
[01:10] <ogra> mazogs: just enable it
[01:10] <eruin> "handle it well"
[01:10] <neodreams> or .xpm
[01:10] <mazogs> ogra: how?
[01:10] <ogra> mazogs: i wrote it above
[01:10] <__daniel> eruin, i just converted a transparent one
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, and i looks NICE to me :-)
[01:11] <eruin> yeah, and shadows look like shit, right?
[01:11] <neodreams> lol
[01:11] <eruin> __daniel: any special parameters you used?
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, none at all
[01:11] <eruin> was the icon dithered?
[01:11] <agwibowo> anyone know any application that looks like sticky note for gnome? kde has kdenotes... what about gnome ? I can't install kdenotes in Ubuntu for some reason...
[01:11] <ogra> mazogs: enable it in computer->desktop settings->remote desktop
[01:11] <eruin> ie "gradient" transparency
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, erm
[01:11] <__daniel> eruin, i guess you are asking the wrong person
[01:11] <eruin> ;>
[01:12] <__daniel> eruin, don't know what dithered or gradient means :-/
[01:12] <eruin> I'm working with a bit more advanced .ico's than what comes with windows here ;)
[01:12] <jef1> Grub 21 problem solved...Solved my own problem...I switched from using the raid ports to just using the IDE ports on the mobo and it is currently loading up. I was not running raid anyway so I just took out the extra hard drive and switched to an IDE port...hopefully smooth sailing now!
[01:12] <__daniel> eruin, i could mail both of them to you :-)
[01:12] <limaunion> agwibowo: try with gdesklets
[01:12] <eruin> spam away at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[01:12] <mazogs> ogra: i just want inetd call Xvnc
[01:12] <__daniel> jef1, *gratulate*
[01:12] <agwibowo> limaunion : thanks.. i'll try that
[01:13] <sander__> agwibowo, there's an awesome app called tomboy. You need to add a mono repository to get it.
[01:13] <ctalkep> has any of you guys ever succeeded to run WhereIsIt on linux?
[01:13] <agwibowo> sander: how to add the mono repository?
[01:13] <ogra> mazogs: ok , is your packagelist up to date (did you: sudo apt-get update recently)
[01:13] <ogra> ?
[01:13] <xenonite> hello, does so know how to apply the cool gtk2 theme "human" to the gtk1 applications?
[01:13] <mazogs> yes
[01:13] <__daniel> eruin, sent it out
[01:13] <mazogs> tonight
[01:13] <eruin> __daniel: cheers ;)
[01:14] <ogra> mazogs: universe enabled ?
[01:14] <mazogs> ogra: checking...
[01:14] <limaunion> agwibowo: np
[01:14] <eruin> __daniel: yeah, that's "undithered" transparency ;)
[01:14] <sander__> agwibowo, try http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002033.html
[01:14] <mazogs> ogra: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:14] <eruin> ie just two transparency states, no alpha layer
[01:15] <sander__> install the second repository and then install tomboy. It's pretty nice.
[01:15] <agwibowo> sander: thx
[01:15] <mazogs> ogra: services-admin is removed from gnome-system-tools also...why?
[01:15] <__daniel> eruin, i could do no better :-)
[01:15] <ogra> mazogs: its broken
[01:16] <__daniel> mazogs, there are some things in g-s-t that are no longer actively being developed
[01:16] <ogra> mazogs: so how exactly did you install
[01:16] <mazogs> i see..
[01:16] <ogra> mazogs: or tried to install
[01:16] <limaunion> agwibowo: look here: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=186
[01:16] <srbaker_> is there a graphical tool for editing runlevels?
[01:17] <mazogs> ogra: apt-get install vnc-common
[01:17] <will> rrrrrun
[01:17] <mazogs> ogra: says is already installed, but i cant find Xvnc
[01:18] <ogra> mazogs: try x11vnc
[01:18] <mazogs> ogra: ok
[01:18] <agwibowo> limaunion: kewl.. thx
[01:18] <Skif> how can I add an icon to open an arbitrary folder to the launch bar?
[01:18] <Skif> I can see how to add specific directories from the "Add to Panel..." dialog, but not any random one I care to put up there
[01:19] <mazogs> ogra: it seems x11vnc exports current session, it is not what i need :(
[01:19] <ogra> mazogs: what about vncserver ?
[01:21] <mazogs> ogra: checking...
[01:22] <ogra> mazogs: works without display
[01:22] <Skif> Is this one of those "you can't get here from there" things, or am I just being dense?
[01:23] <mazogs> ogra: i'm downloading vncserver
[01:24] <mazogs> agra: can i use sid's apt-sources to move to sid or will it mess everything?
[01:25] <blacknyx> dumb question but im new to umbuntu, are all of the stable packages in debian ages old?
[01:25] <srbaker_> blacknyx, in debian stable?  yes.
[01:25] <brettcar> blacknyx: Yes, but what does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[01:26] <blacknyx> I've been told that is where I should go to get applications I need for Ubuntu
[01:26] <ogra> mazogs: you'll end up with a debian sid box ;) and it will be hard to get support for such a tweaked system
[01:26] <Skif> blacknyx: you were told wrong, it's a bad idea
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: where do you go for your apps?
[01:26] <blacknyx> So where would you reccomend my looking?  I'm used to searching for SuSe rpms
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Ubuntu has all the apps you'll ever want
[01:27] <Skif> brett: nope-- it doesn't have audacity
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Run Synaptic and change the repository settings
[01:27] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: sudo apt-get update && man apt-get
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Enable the universe repository
[01:27] <brettcar> blacknyx: Update. Enjoy.
[01:27] <ogra> mazogs: i guess it would break a lot too
[01:27] <mazogs> ogra: at least i have Xvnc :) thanks!
[01:28] <khronic> Skif, "Add to panel" -> Custom Launcher ...command "nautilus /whatever/path/you/want"...this should open up that path in a window
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: audacity - A fast, cross-platform audio editor
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: It looks like its there to me.
[01:29] <brettcar> Skif: You need to add the universe repository to your sources list and upgrade and you'll be all set.
[01:30] <HaRDaWaY> hooola
[01:30] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:30] <Skif> brettcar: $ apt-cache show audacity
[01:30] <Skif> W: Unable to locate package audacity
[01:30] <Skif> E: No packages found
[01:30] <FLeiXiuS> blacknyx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[01:30] <xenonite> cya, i am leaving...
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: Did you add universe?
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: and apt-get update?
[01:30] <Skif> brett: and multiverse
[01:30] <blacknyx> FLeiXiuS: thank you
[01:30] <brettcar> Skif: Then you broke something because apt-cache search audacity works fine
[01:31] <Skif> I am, however, using lamont's repository... maybe he doens't have everything
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> Skif sudo apt-cache search audacity
[01:31] <HaRDaWaY> one question, i only have two repositories on my sources.list, where i can find more to add to my sources.list ?
[01:31] <Skif> which doesn't make sense to me, but maybe
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> HaRDaWaY which repo's would u like to add?
[01:31] <Skif> Flexius: $ apt-cache search audacity
[01:31] <Skif> $
[01:31] <Moof> FLeiXiuS: apt-cache deosn't need search
[01:31] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, have you correctly added the universe
[01:32] <HaRDaWaY> FLeiXiuS, mmm i need some repository with evidence for example..
[01:32] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, I'm quite sure
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> HaRDaWaY http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[01:32] <FLeiXiuS> Skif and apt is updated correctly?
[01:32] <HaRDaWaY> ok thanks
[01:32] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, as I said, I added it correctly
[01:33] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, not the sources.lst, sudo apt-get update
[01:33] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: I've been a DD for, well, I'm not sure, but several years now; I know what I'm doing.
[01:33] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, I haven't doubted your abilities
[01:33] <Skif> FLeiXiuS: yes, I've done the #*&!ing update, okay?
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> Hmm...
[01:34] <Skif> when I say it ain't there, it ain't there
[01:34] <FLeiXiuS> How do I know your situation, some people over look the most obvious!  How dare you insault me while begging for support...not a great way to reach what your looking for..
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> Skif, May I suggest google
[01:35] <vernon> Hey, sorry for the stupid question, but I just set up Ubuntu for my granddad and I'm trying to install gPhoto. I go to run a ./configure and it says there is no C compiler in the path. Surely Ubuntu coems with a C compiler?
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> I'm no longer of assistance for yo
[01:35] <ogra> Skif: regarding whats going on in debian i wouldn't base "i know what i'm" doing on being a DD ;)
[01:35] <FLeiXiuS> vernon yes, sudo apt-get install g++
[01:35] <vernon> Alright, thanks a bunch.
[01:35] <LinuxJones> vernon, install build-essential
[01:35] <Skif> ogra: perhaps not, but come on, knowing to do an apt-get update is pretty basic
[01:35] <ajmitch_> audacity looks to be in universe according to the mirror
[01:36] <will> ubuntu has sold me on linux!
[01:36] <will> been using it for a while now :)
[01:36] <Skif> which is funny, given that he's the buildmeister, but go figure
[01:36] <will> but a few small problems still.....grr
[01:36] <ogra> Skif: ok, but debian hs gotten strange the last years
[01:36] <LinuxJones> will, what is wrong ?
[01:37] <Skif> ogra: strange... I dunno, just very large
[01:37] <will> still my lp0 problem
[01:37] <maswan> Skif: It is there in my universe mirror
[01:37] <will> no printer...such a simple thing!
[01:37] <LinuxJones> will, oh god
[01:37] <ogra> Skif: too large ;)
[01:37] <FLeiXiuS> will, printers in linux aren't so simple :-P
[01:37] <ogra> Skif: to move at least
[01:37] <FLeiXiuS> We try with ease to make them simple
[01:37] <will> its an old OKIDATA 4w Laser
[01:38] <FLeiXiuS> That would make a huge difference...I may suggest reading the forums/posting...there have been several printer fix's
[01:38] <will> there is even a built in driver...but no parallel port!
[01:38] <will> fleixius: will check
[01:39] <vernon> Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Y'all keep up the good work.
[01:39] <maswan> Skif: ah, in an unfortunate place bandwidth-wise?
[01:39] <FLeiXiuS> Which mirror?
[01:39] <Skif> maswan: yeah, I get charged for bandwidth above a certain base; lamont's on the same network I am, so we dont' have to pay to swap bits :)
[01:40] <Skif> fleixius: it's a private mirror
[01:40] <Skif> it's firewalled off from everybody else anyway
[01:40] <maswan> Skif: Ah, good for you. I'm kind of similar (don't use more than about a gig a day), but locally peered networks are free. This includes the swedish university network though, so almost everything is mirrored within reach. :)
[01:41] <Tenniru> Uh... according to ye ole Synaptic Package Manager, gsnes9x needs something called snes9x-x. This is not on Universe or whatever. What do I do?
[01:41] <Skif> maswan: heh... yeah, that's a nice large "local" network. :)
[01:41] <maswan> Skif: also a good motivator for mirroring stuff at the university computer club. ;)
[01:41] <Skif> heh
[01:41] <FLeiXiuS> Tenniru http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/snes9x-x
[01:42] <Tenniru> Oh. There.
[01:42] <FLeiXiuS> C-Ya Later Everyoe
[01:42] <Skif> yeah, okay, that seems to have been the problem
[01:42] <axehat> I got a new Kodak DX7440 camera here. Wondering how I can browse the photos located therein. I checked the Device Manager and the USB port picks it up and labels it fine.
[01:42] <Tenniru> Got that, but it's a .deb. What do I do with a .deb?
[01:42] <Tenniru> I'm a clueless newbie, yes.
[01:42] <FLeiXiuS> Tenniru sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:42] <samiam> has anyone seen an XML parsing error when you try to run firefox using ubuntu?
[01:42] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[01:43] <FLeiXiuS> no problem
[01:43] <FLeiXiuS> talk to you later guys,
[01:43] <Skif> samiam: hrm, what arch?  I've seen that on debian, with a buggy libgnome
[01:44] <samiam> XML Parsing ERRor: undefined entity is the error.... Using Ubuntu....
[01:44] <Tenniru> Errorse were occured while processing.
[01:44] <axehat> I checked around and gPhoto doesn't seem to have support for this new camera. Is there any way I can explore the files located on it or am I going to be forced to get a Win install going?
[01:44] <Tenniru> I got the PPC version, since I am on an iBook.
[01:44] <ogra> Tenniru: try adding multiverse to synaptic
[01:44] <Tenniru> *errors
[01:44] <Tenniru> How do I do this?
[01:44] <samiam> I deinstalled mozilla-firefox and reinstalled and the error seems to have come back
[01:45] <ogra> Tenniru: know how to get to the repository lists in synaptic ?
[01:45] <dawnfading> hi
[01:45] <Tenniru> Yes.
[01:46] <samiam> Skif: has anyone else reported this... seems strange to reinstall it and see the same problem...
[01:46] <Skif> samiam: what architecture are you running?
[01:46] <ogra> Tenniru: go to the fourth entry and add multiverse to the line: main restricted universe
[01:46] <samiam> i386
[01:46] <Skif> samiam: hrm, haven't seen it.  Try moving your ~/.firefox to ~/.firefox-bak and run it again, see if it still does that
[01:47] <ogra> Tenniru: reload your packagelists and you'll find snes9-x
[01:47] <samiam> will do thanks for the suggestion
[01:47] <dawnfading> i have a question about displaying Japanese in browsers such as firefox etc
[01:47] <dawnfading> (with ubuntu)
[01:47] <dawnfading> characters (kanji, kana) all seem pretty blurred
[01:48] <dawnfading> does anyone has some ideas why this happens?
[01:50] <__daniel> i have a question about persian or arabic fonts: how can i change the default font for displaying them? the characters all seem pretty bold
[01:50] <__daniel> (and for _me_ hardly readable)
[01:50] <Tenniru> Yay, it works.
[01:50] <samiam> Skif: that was it but i had to move ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/firefox_old
[01:51] <dawnfading> perhaps i should add, that if i past the same characters in openoffice, they look just fine
[01:51] <Skif> samiam: okay, I'm still used to debian packages, which use ~/.firefox.  Glad you fixed it.
[01:51] <dawnfading> so it must be somethign browser related
[01:51] <dawnfading> ...?
[01:51] <Skif> samiam: you can probably safely copy your bookmarks from ~/.mozilla/firefox_old to the current one
[01:52] <blacknyx> If I install a prog, should i be installing it's development files also?
[01:52] <samiam> Skif: actually this is a recent change the firefox people have made... you will probably see it in regular debian soon... Anyway thanks for the suggestion!
[01:52] <Tenniru> Okay... gsnes9x installed, but where is it?
[01:52] <__daniel> dawnfading, how are they displayed in the character map?
[01:52] <Skif> samiam: maybe; the debian firefox packager explicitly moved it to ~/.firefox; he may or may not pick that change up.
[01:52] <ogra> Tenniru: /usr/games probably
[01:53] <__daniel> blacknyx, not unless you use them for compiling
[01:53] <blacknyx> Okay
[01:53] <axehat> Is there a way to manually browse the files on a digital camera? Device Manager shows that it is picking up the camera, but the latest gPhoto does not have support for this camera model. I'm makeing gPhoto now just to try, but I was wondering if I could get to the files normally.
[01:54] <dawnfading> let me check daniel
[01:54] <jdub> axehat: you should be able to browse it with nautilus
[01:54] <mario> someone has a repository with libfastrack-gift plugin? or a url with this package :D
[01:54] <dawnfading> they're displayed just great there
[01:54] <jdub> axehat: Computer > Disks
[01:54] <__daniel> dawnfading, hmm
[01:54] <ogra> axehat: www.grawert.net/software/pimp/ ;) (needs universe enabled)
[01:55] <dawnfading> although that when the size is small
[01:55] <dawnfading> i get these funny red and green borders next to it
[01:55] <Terk> Hi , i'm having trouble mounting a smbfs resource
[01:55] <Terk> the correct module is loaded
[01:55] <dawnfading> which indicates the same problem i'm having in the browser
[01:55] <__daniel> dawnfading, it's the same thing for arabic characters: i have fonts which look nice and others which don't, i don't know how to set a nice default
[01:56] <Terk> but i keep getting  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[01:56] <dawnfading> you also get the color effects daniel?
[01:56] <axehat> Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it.
[01:56] <__daniel> apart from that i can't find a nice arabic locale, i can choose for the gnome desktop
[01:56] <__daniel> dawnfading, no
[01:57] <Terk> Anyone?
[01:58] <dawnfading> i checked the arabic characters, and they do seem slightly better
[01:59] <dawnfading> it really shows with for instance the thai characters
[01:59] <Terk> Can anybody help with my smbfs problem??
[02:00] <__daniel> Terk, how do you try to mount it?
[02:01] <jdub> __daniel: to change the 'preferred' font for arabic, you need to modify /etc/fonts/*.conf
[02:01] <__daniel> jdub, oh alright - that'll make learning arabic much easier ;-)
[02:01] <axehat> Alright, Nautilus isn't showing the camera as a disk. At the pimp page is says to get libgtk2-perl and libintl-perl before installing pimp. How do I get those files? I'm rather new to Debian and a 'apt-get install libgtk2-perl' didn't come up.
[02:01] <ozan> hi, while trying to open a file i get a warning like this "Cannot open Voting_Machine.wmv .... the file might present a security risk to your system. ..." i really don't want to see this warning everytime i try to open a video file. is there a way rm it?
[02:01] <alka_trash> It's too bad that gnome didn't use this structure
[02:02] <__daniel> jdub, you know how which arabic locale i could choose which is "supported by" gnome?
[02:02] <jdub> __daniel: not sure
[02:02] <jdub> perhaps ask in #i18n on gimpnet
[02:03] <__daniel> jdub, thanks - that's a good idea
[02:04] <dawnfading> daniel, can't you change that during login when changing language
[02:04] <dawnfading> (doesn't it change locale as well?)
[02:05] <agwibowo> anyone know where i can get latex for ubuntu?
[02:05] <__daniel> dawnfading, i chose all the arabic locales (using dpkg-reconfigure locales) in turn and switched them on during login, but a message box always told me "not supported - go away" :)
[02:05] <agwibowo> i tried apt-get install latex it does not find it
[02:06] <__daniel> agwibowo, try the tetex-* packages
[02:06] <LinuxJones> agwibowo, you have to add the universe repository
[02:07] <dawnfading> wish i could help daniel, but i'm afraid there's still too much newbie blood running through my vains
[02:07] <agwibowo> ok... thanks.. i'll try that
[02:07] <dawnfading> veins
[02:07] <__daniel> dawnfading, thanks for helping me anyway :-)
[02:08] <axehat> I'm trying to install 'pimp', and I added 'deb blah blah blah' to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, but I'm not able to install libgtk2-perl or the other needed library before installing.
[02:08] <WW> agwibowo: No, I don't think you need universe for tex.
[02:08] <__daniel> axehat, you did   sudo apt-get update  ?
[02:08] <WW> agwibowo: Look for tetex-* in Synaptic. I have tetex-bin, tetex-base and tetex-extra, and latex works fine.
[02:09] <axehat> Ah, I was trying 'install' instead of the 'update'
[02:09] <__daniel> axehat, sudo apt-get update   then    sudo apt-get install <your package of desire>
[02:10] <axehat> Alright. Thanks a bunch. I was told earlier that Nautilus should be able to browse the files on my digital camera, but it doesn't seem to be able to. Would that be caused by the camera being so new?
[02:11] <jdub> axehat: it depends on whether your camera provides a usb-storage interface or not
[02:11] <jdub> that's the usual reason for gthumb not working
[02:12] <jdub> in which case, you can just use nautilus
[02:12] <jdub> but if your camera is not supported by gphoto at all, and doesn't have a usb-storage interface, you're just out of luck :)
[02:12] <axehat> It isn't listed under "Disks". How would I know if it has a usb-storage interface?
[02:13] <jdub> it should appear under disks if it does ;)
[02:13] <jdub> check device manager
[02:13] <jdub> see if there's a volume and so on under the usb camera device tree
[02:13] <axehat> It comes up fine in device manager.
[02:13] <axehat> Hrm, doesn't look like a volume is listed there.
[02:13] <__daniel> axehat, try   tail -f /var/log/syslog  and re-plug-it-in
[02:13] <jdub> it might, but what's under it is important :)
[02:14] <axehat> USB PTP interface?
[02:14] <bern> ogra: i finally got all my stuff working
[02:14] <agwibowo> interestingly... universe does not have tetex-base
[02:14] <__daniel> bern, ogra just flew out
[02:14] <agwibowo> so i can't install latex
[02:15] <dawnfading> goodnite guys
[02:15] <bern> __daniel: lol i was looking almost at the top of the page
[02:15] <bern> __daniel: didn't realize i wasn't scrolled to the bottom, i was like wtf
[02:15] <axehat> Okay I did the 'tail' and it shows "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 8"
[02:15] <Mr_Smiley> haha i do that sometimes ;P
[02:15] <__daniel> agwibowo, it is definitely in ubuntu
[02:16] <WW> agwibowo: It is main, not universe.  My tetex-base even has a little Ubuntu logo next to it.
[02:16] <__daniel> axehat, any other lines? anything funny?
[02:16] <agwibowo> oh ok
[02:17] <bern> i got kde3.2 working on ubuntu now, can anyone recommend some useful aplets ?
[02:17] <axehat> It looks like libgphoto tries to do something but looks like it fails.
[02:17] <agwibowo> kewl
[02:17] <agwibowo> thanks guys
[02:18] <agwibowo> i've found latex
[02:18] <agwibowo> hehe
[02:18] <WW> bern: That's funny... why did you install KDE if you don't know what to do with it? :-)
[02:18] <__daniel> axehat, any special message?
[02:18] <agwibowo> anymore interesting apps that any of u suggested?
[02:18] <__daniel> agwibowo, pdflatex :-)
[02:18] <agwibowo> oh definitely
[02:18] <agwibowo> hehehe
[02:18] <axehat> postfix/local[12538] : fatal: open database /etc/aliase s.db: No such file or directory
[02:18] <WW> agwibowo: If you don't mind running a KDE package, I've been using kile lately to edit my latex files.
[02:18] <bern> WW: i like kde better than gnome
[02:19] <bern> WW: just personal preference
[02:19] <axehat> A few lines like that.
[02:19] <agwibowo> WW: is kile an editor for latex ?
[02:19] <WW> bern: Yah, I know... just goofing.
[02:19] <WW> agwibowo: Yes.
[02:19] <agwibowo> oooo
[02:19] <agwibowo> ic.
[02:19] <__daniel> axehat, that's another issue (has nothing to do with the camera): just do    sudo postalias /etc/aliases
[02:19] <agwibowo> hhehehe
[02:19] <agwibowo> any latex editor for gnome ?? :P
[02:19] <__daniel> agwibowo, gedit :-)
[02:20] <agwibowo> ok...
[02:20] <WW> agwibowo: I asked the same question once, and some answered "emacs".
[02:20] <Skif> There's always latex-mode :)
[02:20] <agwibowo> ehehehe i'm a vim user
[02:20] <__daniel> agwibowo, only thing is: it doesnt handle \$ and \% well - it displays them as start of comments
[02:20] <agwibowo> ic
[02:21] <__daniel> axehat, any other photo related stuff?
[02:21] <__daniel> axehat, or well usb related
[02:21] <Chris> Would a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?
[02:21] <axehat> After I did the postalias no other messages come up in the 'tail'
[02:21] <WW> Skif: I tried lyx briefly.  It seemed semi-wysiwyg. It has its own file format, so it would be tough to share files with co-authors who don't use lyx.
[02:23] <axehat> Alright gThumb is now loading the pictures.
[02:23] <axehat> You guys rock. Thanks a lot
[02:24] <__daniel> axehat, what about the replugin thing of your camera, does it display something special then?
[02:25] <WW> Just 52 people in the room. I haven't seen it this quiet in a long time.
[02:25] <WW> Whoa, welcome back.
[02:25] <LinuxJones> there we go
[02:25] <Tenniru> How do I move a file to where it would appear in the "games" menu in Applications?
[02:25] <WW> Tenniru: You don't move the file, instead you just add a menu entry.
[02:26] <WW> Tenniru: See the wiki FAQ.  Look near the bottom.
[02:26] <Sensebend> completely offtopic
[02:26] <Sensebend> but man is giganews slow for me today
[02:26] <Chris> Perhaps I should repeat my question, given the server oddities...
[02:26] <Chris> Would a pathetic newcomer to networking be able to get any tips on connecting to a share on a Win2K server on the LAN?
[02:26] <Tenniru> Uh... hello?
[02:26] <Sensebend> getting 16KB/s :S
[02:27] <WW> Tenniru: Or even easier... go to Applications->Games, and right-click in the menu.
[02:27] <Tenniru> I hope this isn't a usual occurence.
[02:27] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[02:28] <WW> Tenniru: Then select Entire menu -> Add new item to this menu
[02:28] <Tenniru> I got it.
[02:31] <LinuxJones> Chris, this might be of some help >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html
[02:32] <Chris> LinuxJones: thanks  :-)
[02:33] <LinuxJones> Chris, it's not exactly what your looking for but the information is in there to get you started :)
[02:33] <ozan> is there a dep where i can install mldonkey or any other p2p programs?
[02:33] <MyKq3> hello:) . Does any one here knows how can i use to sound chanels on the same time ( like to hear music and on the same time to hear the GAIM telling ya that u have new massage )
[02:33] <TMM> ozan: mldonkey has debian packages on their server
[02:34] <Chris> Hmmm... I'm presuming that's it's possible to use Nautilus to browse Windows shares, but I'm not finding any information on how to.  The information provided is nice, but being able to generalize it for any shares on that server would be nice too.
[02:34] <TMM> MyKq3: if you use ALSA it is
[02:34] <ogra> ozan: emule is in universe
[02:34] <TMM> ogra: emule sucks... bad :)
[02:34] <ogra> ozan: sorry it's called xmule actually
[02:34] <TMM> xmule sucks too :P
[02:34] <Pizbit> Chris: Computer -> Network
[02:35] <ogra> TMM: but it's still easy to use
[02:35] <mojo_> hey
[02:35] <Pizbit> Chris: You'll need to have samba installed
[02:35] <mojo_> y u guys switch to LimeWire?
[02:35] <TMM> if you want something to work, get some sort of gift client
[02:35] <MyKq3> TMM,  i m useing alsa... but i still can't hear two sound chanels  :\
[02:35] <TMM> gift is totally awsome,
[02:35] <Chris> Pizbit: Took care of that 15 minutes ago with apt-get  :-)
[02:35] <mojo_> LimeWire is 10x faster for MP3 download
[02:35] <TMM> MyKq3: in what programs can you and can't you?
[02:35] <ogra> mojo_: needs java
[02:36] <TMM> mojo_: that's "gnutella is 10x faster than eDonkey"
[02:36] <mojo_> true, but it's worth it
[02:36] <TMM> mojo_: gift with gnutella plugins is just as fast as limewire is
[02:36] <ozan> what is the debian server address? where can i learn it?
[02:36] <mojo_> go searhc around google and find the PRO version
[02:36] <MyKq3> if i hear sounds only from one program at a time
[02:36] <TMM> MyKq3: with *all* programs?
[02:36] <MyKq3> i i hear sounds only from one program at a time **
[02:37] <MyKq3> TMM,  yeah
[02:37] <TMM> MyKq3: ok, try running gstreamer-properties and setting all that stuff to "alsa"
[02:37] <TMM> MyKq3: wait, that might not work at all
[02:38] <TMM> MyKq3: I guess you are bitten by a bug in debian sarge, where it detetcs your soundcard and insmod's the modules for both oss and alsa
[02:38] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay .... what do i  need to do to make it work
[02:38] <TMM> MyKq3: then you'll only be able to use good 'ol oss
[02:39] <TMM> MyKq3: you can test it by rmmoding everything that looks like a sound driver
[02:39] <TMM> MyKq3: then reload your alsa stuff and see if it's working
[02:40] <MyKq3> TMM,   u mean with  gstreamer-propertie ?
[02:40] <TMM> MyKq3: if it is then you'll either have to do it the proper way or the quick way, the quick way being rmming the oss drivers from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ the proper way being somehow disabling hotplug to load them, which I have been unable to do
[02:40] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, what soundcard do you have ?
[02:41] <MyKq3> hum i think its an old soundblaster
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: err, no...
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: I mean with "rmmod" in a terminal
[02:42] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  i can give ya the cardz model number
[02:42] <TMM> MyKq3: are you familiar with that?
[02:43] <MyKq3> TMM,  not really ... i think i will go back to google to look for some gaides on that
[02:43] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you can do an lsmod and see which sound modules are loaded
[02:44] <TMM> MyKq3: well... than this is going to be a bad experience for you
[02:44] <TMM> MyKq3: let me see if I can get some workaround for you
[02:44] <MyKq3> TMM,  thanks
[02:45] <ygnome> If someone has accidentally d/l the 'live' ubuntu CD, is there anyway to run the install from it?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you can then prevent the driver(s) from being loaded by blacklisting them. (although this should have been done already)
[02:45] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  all the SND_xxx r the sounds models .... right ?
[02:45] <TMM> MyKq3: those are the "good" modules
[02:45] <TMM> MyKq3: the alsa ones
[02:45] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, the snd_** ones are alsa drivers
[02:45] <TMM> ok, this is what you *could* try
[02:45] <TMM> everybody here is going to hate me for suggesting this, but what the hell :)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you  need to disable the oss drivers from being loaded as alsa will not work with them loaded
[02:46] <TMM> become root, cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sound
[02:46] <TMM> and mv the "oss" dir someplace safe, root's homedir 'be fine
[02:46] <TMM> then run a depmod -A and reboot
[02:47] <TMM> this is, if you don't want to learn about blacklisting drivers and the like
[02:47] <TMM> lol, shouldn't that be "a script that was accidently ran" ?
[02:47] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay i guess i will try that
[02:48] <TMM> MyKq3: this is *not* 'the linux way' or anything, this is what us proffesionals call "quick and dirty"
[02:48] <TMM> :)
[02:48] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you could also add oss to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file and re-boot
[02:48] <booshi> i just installed ubuntu, and i have a few questions (linux newbie)
[02:48] <TMM> LinuxJones: wouldn't that just disable the alsa OSS compatibility modules?
[02:49] <__daniel> booshi, fire away
[02:49] <TMM> LinuxJones: which you *do* want :)
[02:49] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  :)
[02:49] <TMM> LinuxJones: you are right
[02:49] <TMM> MyKq3: LinuxJones is right, I was talking out of my ass
[02:49] <MyKq3> hum... and that  is that u call the blacklist ?
[02:49] <LinuxJones> try first :D
[02:50] <TMM> LinuxJones: my humble apologies: )
[02:50] <MyKq3> okay i m ont he job thanks :D
[02:50] <LinuxJones> TMM, it might work :)
[02:50] <TMM> MyKq3: you'll need to know *what* driver to blacklist though
[02:50] <TMM> I have the blacklist for debian sid here, which seems to work for most systems
[02:50] <booshi> i put ubuntu on the second hdd of this desktop, and 80gb drive, the first has windows.  after the install when i select XP from the list this is all i get: root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 and then nothing happens
[02:51] <TMM> well, I never experienced the problem on debian sid...
[02:51] <TMM> MyKq3: I'll put it online somewhere, replace your /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base with that one and reboot
[02:51] <TMM> MyKq3: might just do it
[02:52] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay thanks
[02:52] <__daniel> booshi, there's something in the bugzilla about it, but i'm not familiar with those things at all.. lemme lookup the number
[02:52] <TMM> MyKq3: http://braam.sytes.net/~hp/alsa-base
[02:53] <__daniel> booshi, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1566
[02:53] <booshi> i dont understand how it affected the drive that i wasnt even installing on
[02:54] <MyKq3> TMM,  okay i sould reboot now ... so the BlackList will load ... right  ?
[02:55] <MyKq3> TMM,  can i ask one more thing.... how can i know which model i should add to the black list  ?....
[02:55] <TMM> MyKq3: see what drivers are loaded with "lsmod"
[02:56] <TMM> MyKq3: and see if there's an oss module in there somewhere
[02:56] <MyKq3> yeah i c them
[02:57] <gdarel> Afternoon all
[02:57] <LinuxJones> hi gdarel
[02:57] <TMM> MyKq3: if everything is in order, this blacklist file should have all the modules of oss in it
[02:57] <booshi> also, how can i access the first drive (ntfs) through ubuntu?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> gdarel, night here :)
[02:57] <gdarel> I have a real dumb question.....
[02:57] <gdarel> Almost night here too (seattle)
[02:58] <MyKq3> TMM,  u r right i should hop for the best
[02:58] <TMM> gdarel: so, it's 3am here... what's your point?
[02:58] <gdarel> How do I log in as root?
[02:58] <TMM> MyKq3: if it doesn't work, I'll look at the output of your lsmod, and see what's going on
[02:58] <LinuxJones> gdarel, there si no default root acoount
[02:58] <MyKq3> c ya soon  and thanks TMM and  LinuxJones  and all the other good ppl here
[02:58] <TMM> gdarel: i believe that the ubuntu way is "you don't" and you just run all the apps using sudo
[02:59] <gdarel> OK then I am confused....
[02:59] <TMM> gdarel: that being said, I hate that, so you can just type "sudo passwd" with the user you made witth te ubunto setup, and set  a password for root so you can login
[02:59] <LinuxJones> gdarel, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[02:59] <gdarel> In KDE for instance when I go to set up KB3 it asks for a password
[03:00] <booshi> so no one can help me get back into XP/onto the drive it's on?  because i cant do either
[03:00] <mojo_> gdarel: u can get rid of sudo way, by doing this way sudo passwd root, then type in password for root
[03:01] <LinuxJones> booshi, sorry I don't run any MS products
[03:01] <__daniel> booshi, try #ubuntu-devel - and read the bugreport i told you about
[03:01] <bur[n] er> booshi: u can't boot xp?
[03:01] <mojo_> gdarel: next time, you just type in "su" to switch to root (remember to type in correct password)
[03:01] <mojo_> honestly to say, I HATE sudo way!!!
[03:02] <bur[n] er> mojo_: so don't use it
[03:02] <mojo_> I did, ehehe
[03:02] <bur[n] er> su in a shell and go from there
[03:02] <TMM> booshi: what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <mojo_> I wish someone that created the icon theme for FireFox make a GNOME theme based on that style
[03:08] <bur[n] er> mojo_: make it :)
[03:08] <bur[n] er> you've got a back/forward button already
[03:09] <Lathiat> mojo_: There is an industrial theme for firefox
[03:10] <Keybuk> mojo_: I'd be surprised if someone hasn't by now
[03:15] <MyKq3> TMM,  it does not seems to work  :\
[03:16] <MyKq3> TMM,  I justed tryed to lunch TOTEM with Rhythmbox and i got an error from Totem  :\
[03:17] <bulio> I just ordered 4 ubuntu cds
[03:17] <bulio> any idea how long they take to recieve?
[03:17] <Lathiat> bulio: I suspect it will be a bit, release has only just come out, but no idea on an actual EA
[03:17] <Lathiat> *ETA
[03:18] <bulio> ok
[03:18] <bulio> thanks
[03:19] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, have you run gstreamer-properties and selected alsa ?
[03:20] <MyKq3> Linux yeah
[03:20] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  yeah *
[03:21] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  i recive an error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"
[03:21] <angie75> hi there
[03:21] <sgtshatta> I have a simple question?
[03:22] <Tenniru> I don't. How do I get Ubuntu to identify my iBook (Dual USB)'s internal mic?
[03:22] <sgtshatta> i added a directory to my /etc/profile but my $PATH did not change
[03:22] <sgtshatta> even after I rebooted
[03:22] <angie75> I would like to share a dsl connection with ubuntu (two eth cards) ... any suggestions?
[03:22] <ozan> i installed mldonkey from debian testing deb. but it installed all its files to /etc/apt/ but i don't really want them there. any solution?
[03:23] <ozan> s/deb/dep
[03:23] <Tenniru> DEAR MR. UBUNTU DESIGNER.  I usually install mldonkey compiling it...
[03:24] <angie75> it's quite automated
[03:24] <ozan> hmm ok, i will do it like u do. ty
[03:25] <WW> ozan: There are packages in universe called mldonkey-gui and mldonkey-server.  Perhaps use those instead of the debian package?
[03:26] <angie75> ozan: after you install it, you have to run it always from the same direcototy... it writes the .ini files there
[03:26] <MyKq3> LinuxJones,  do u think i should try to install and use aRtsd ?
[03:27] <ozan> i tell synaptic to remove the mldonkey-server completely but after that it doesn't remove program files from /etc/apt is there a problem?
[03:28] <angie75> ozan: try with apt-get remove moldonkey-server --purge
[03:29] <ozan> ok
[03:37] <geppy> okay
[03:37] <geppy> This is getting on my nerves.
[03:37] <geppy> Ubuntu, fresh install.
[03:38] <geppy> GAIM, told to tab everything in one window, insists on making two windows for every AIM conversation.
[03:38] <geppy> The IRC chats are fine being together, but the AIM conversations ALL make two windows with the same data in each.
[03:38] <Pizbit> heh
[03:39] <Pizbit> Most odd
[03:39] <geppy> never happened before.
[03:40] <geppy> Thought that it might have been because I copied my old ~/.gaim over, but I've changed all of the tab settings.
[03:40] <angie75> bye
[03:40] <Pizbit> I copied my old .gaim over and it worked fine
[03:40] <geppy> old ~/.gaim from rh9, fc1, fc2, fc3, debian, none of them ever messed up.
[03:40] <Keybuk> try nuking your .gaim, but saving the logs and blist.xml ?
[03:40] <geppy> Yeah, I'm confused.
[03:42] <geppy> k
[03:43] <mojo_> hey I heard that Stephen is working on a project to make 100% GNOME theme based on his icons theme for FireFox 1.0 PR, hehe at least I can see the light for a pro GUI
[03:48] <Mitario> lo everyone
[03:48] <__daniel> hi :-)
[03:49] <LinuxJones> hi Mitario
[03:50] <__daniel> have a good night everyone
[03:50] <geppy> 'night
[03:51] <ogra> nicght ;)
[03:51] <__daniel> :-)
[03:51] <geppy> I nuked my prefs.xml, and the problem's gone.
[03:51] <geppy> unfortunately, when I copy my evolution over, it doesn't work, but I'll figure it out.
[03:52] <Keybuk> yeah, evo doesn't like you doing that
[03:52] <Keybuk> the .evolution is more of a cache, the config is in .conf/apps/evolution
[03:52] <geppy> oh
[03:52] <Keybuk>                                                     ^^^^^
[03:53] <geppy> well, if I copy that over, too, should it work?
[03:53] <Keybuk>                                                     .gconf
[03:53] <Keybuk> lots and lots of things will go wrong
[03:53] <geppy> oh
[03:53] <Keybuk> just import the files
[03:53] <Keybuk> put it somewhere sensible, and import the .ics files and whatnot
[03:53] <geppy> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. =)
[03:53] <geppy> "The Application "evolution-exchange-storage" has quit unexpectedly."
[03:53] <geppy> hmph
[03:54] <geppy> Even without, it complains all over the place, though.
[03:54] <geppy> "(evolution:30534): evolution-smime-WARNING **: initializing security library without cert databases."
[03:54] <Keybuk> makes sense
[03:55] <geppy> oops
[03:55] <geppy> the first one is the one that I don't like so much
[03:57] <geppy> Are there any debian-based distros that aren't relatively out of date?
[03:57] <geppy> I mean, even Red Hat has 2.8 out.
[03:58] <toothpick> Greets
[03:58] <LinuxJones> geppy, how much more up to date can you get than this ?
[03:58] <geppy> 2.6.8?
[03:58] <geppy> oh, nevermind
[03:58] <geppy> forgive me, please
[03:58] <geppy> I'm just being silly.
[03:58] <ogra> lol
[03:58] <geppy> :)
[03:58] <ogra> sorry
[03:58] <LinuxJones> geppy, the Ubuntu pre-release had Gnome 2.8 the day IT was released
[03:59] <geppy> Yeah, I wasn't thinking straight.  I remember that, now.
[03:59] <ogra> next ubuntu release == next gnome release
[03:59] <geppy> Are GAIM-1.02, and Evolution-2.2 in testing?
[03:59] <geppy> heh  :)
[04:00] <ogra> there is no testing yet.....wait two weeks or so
[04:00] <geppy> Alright.
[04:00] <Keybuk> tesging?
[04:00] <Keybuk> ugh
[04:00] <Keybuk> testing?  there isn't an Ubuntu testing, nor will there be
[04:00] <geppy> Am I advised against building them, myself?
[04:00] <geppy> Oh, alright.
[04:00] <ogra> sorry, unstable
[04:00] <geppy> Alright.
[04:00] <Keybuk> hoary will open relatively soon
[04:01] <geppy> And things like Mplayer;  is there any real reason _not_ to build debs on that?
[04:01] <toothpick> I've got to get some time and test Thinkwave Educator via Wine with ubuntu...one app I really rely on windows.
[04:01] <LinuxJones> geppy, yes legal reasons
[04:02] <geppy> Mplayer is free, no?
[04:02] <LinuxJones> geppy, they are available if you want them
[04:02] <geppy> I understand that the w32codecs would have legal problems.
[04:02] <LinuxJones> geppy, their codecs are patent encumbered tho
[04:02] <geppy> Understood.  :)
[04:03] <geppy> Debs are interactive, though, so couldn't you install mplayer, and then have click-through EULA's for the codecs?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> geppy, no because they are not GPL compatible
[04:04] <maswan> ehm, aren't the bundled codecs gpl?
[04:04] <LinuxJones> maswan, no they are not
[04:05] <ogra> same for java, flash....
[04:05] <Mitario> anyone happens to know which font OS X uses? :)
[04:05] <geppy> Mplayer is LGPL, isn't it?
[04:05] <maswan> LinuxJones: can you give me an example?
[04:05] <maswan> ah, there, found one
[04:05] <LinuxJones> maswan, waht do you mean ?
[04:05] <brettcar> Mitario: OS X generally uses LucidaGrande or Helvetica
[04:06] <WW> maswan: What did you mean by "bundled codecs"?  These guys are talking about w32codecs (I think!)
[04:06] <geppy> I'm not planning on submitting this to the devs, if that's why you're worried about it being GPL-compatible.
[04:06] <Mitario> brettcar, ah, ok, thanks!
[04:06] <Mitario> brb, relogin
[04:06] <maswan> WW: I'm talking about libavcodec etc that's bundled with mplayer as such. Not the separate package of w32codecs
[04:06] <LinuxJones> geppy, what ?
[04:07] <ogra> geppy: you would have the same you have with totem now, you got a mplayer that plays only free formats and everyone will replace it soon with the nonfree stuff
[04:07] <maswan> geppy: mplayer is GPL, as is most of the codecs that is in the mplayer package. some are lgpl and some "permissive", which seems to be gpl-compatible
[04:07] <geppy> LinuxJones:  I didn't mean to say some of that, sorry.
[04:08] <devscott> is there a quick and easy way I can change the UID for an user account?
[04:08] <ogra> geppy: if you stay in ths channel for a day you'll recognize the totem-xine question is one of the most frequent
[04:08] <geppy> So, Mplayer is incompatible (in terms of licensing) with the packages that it's designed to use?
[04:09] <geppy> heh
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, check out usermod
[04:09] <maswan> geppy: ehm, what?
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, in the man pages
[04:09] <maswan> geppy: are you talking about w32codecs?
[04:09] <devscott> Thank you LinuxJones
[04:09] <geppy> maswan: yes.
[04:09] <LinuxJones> devscott, ;)
[04:10] <maswan> geppy: well, it is uncertain if you can redistribute those at all, it is certain that you can't redistribute a derivative work of mplayer+w32codecs
[04:10] <bulio> is ubuntu an easy distro?
[04:10] <maswan> geppy: not that it matters though
[04:11] <geppy> maswan: I'm not wanting to redistribute them;  I'm wondering if  I could have a click-through EULA that wgets the codecs.
[04:11] <LinuxJones> bulio, it can be if you have run of the mill hardware
[04:12] <maswan> geppy: not that you need the w32codecs most of the time, unless you find odd formats like wmv or so..
[04:12] <geppy> Right.
[04:12] <maswan> geppy: ehm, what good would a click-through eula do?
[04:12] <Quinton> evening guys!
[04:12] <geppy> maswan:  To make it legal?
[04:12] <bulio> Linux Jones: define run of the mill
[04:12] <LinuxJones> Quinton, hi :)
[04:12] <Mitario> hi again
[04:13] <Mitario> would anyone know a place where I can download the OS X fonts? or are they (c)ed
[04:13] <LinuxJones> bulio, what kind of hardware do you have on your computer ?
[04:13] <ogra> geppy: but it would make the gpl illegal
[04:13] <bulio> Linux: it's a hp from 2001
[04:13] <maswan> geppy: I don't follow you, you must be living in a place where copyright works differently from here.
[04:13] <bulio> nothing special
[04:13] <bulio> standard hardware, all except sound detected in mandrake
[04:13] <geppy> maswan:  I was under the impression that if they accept the EULA presented on the site, then they could download the files.
[04:13] <geppy> ogra: what would?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> bulio, if you computer is from 2001 you should have no problem at all :)
[04:14] <bulio> :P
[04:14] <bulio> I ordered some cds
[04:14] <bulio> is it as easy as mandrake?
[04:14] <ogra> geppy: bundling with a MS eula
[04:14] <geppy> Or if you use Nvidia/AMD/Lynksys/Logitech like most Linux users.  :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> bulio, you can test it by downloading the Ubuntu Live CD
[04:14] <maswan> geppy: there is no eula on the mplayer website
[04:14] <bulio> LinuxJones: It's debian-based, no?
[04:15] <geppy> maswan:  GPL is the EULA.  But I'm talking about a click-through for the w32codecs
[04:15] <LinuxJones> bulio, it doesn't have all of the GUI stuff that Mandrake has but it has fine hardware detection so you sould be ok
[04:15] <bulio> ok
[04:15] <LinuxJones> bulio, yes
[04:15] <maswan> geppy: yes, and I just said that there is no eula there.
[04:15] <geppy> ogra:  Having mplayer with the GPL, and mplayer-w32codecs with whatever MS uses would be invalid?
[04:15] <WW> Speaking of EULA's... is there a legal reason Ubuntu could not provide a click-through EULA for Java?
[04:15] <geppy> maswan: the GPL is a EULA.
[04:15] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL is not an EULA.
[04:15] <maswan> geppy: and GPL isn't an eula, it is a distributor license.
[04:15] <bulio> LinuxJones: I am guessing no support for usb modems?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> bulio, I have never owned one so I can't say for sure :(
[04:16] <ogra> geppy: its incompatible to provide both in one package.....
[04:16] <bulio> my pc at other house uses nic
[04:16] <geppy> Right.
[04:16] <maswan> geppy: because (under sane copyright law), the end user is free to do whatever [s] he wants.
[04:16] <TheMuso> Does anybody know whether we are still able to edit information on the old Wiki? And if so, when is the deadline
[04:16] <bulio> this uses usb
[04:16] <bulio> :/
[04:16] <florianr> Hello!
[04:16] <florianr> I still have problems with my AC97 Soundcard ...
[04:16] <geppy> ogra:  Understood.   But mplayer and mplayer-w32codecs (separate) would be legally feasible, no?
[04:16] <WW> TheMuso: What is the "old" wiki?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> bulio, burn a copy of the live CD and see if it finds all your hardware. I am sure you will probably be ok :P
[04:16] <SamBozo> I am gett in some one telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already ..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't helt them
[04:17] <ogra> geppy: thats what they do now...
[04:17] <TheMuso> WW: According to a message that I received yesterday from the Ubuntu dev mailing list, they intend to move the wiki over to a new backend.
[04:17] <bulio> LinuxJones:Really? detection for pppoe usb modem??!!!
[04:17] <geppy> maswan:  They're agreeing to have the rights that they are given;  they're still agreeing to it.
[04:17] <geppy> ogra:  Right.
[04:18] <maswan> geppy: as an end user, I don't have to agree to anything in the gpl.
[04:18] <LinuxJones> bulio, as I have said I can't say for sure but if you have a decent internet connection it will take 2 hours to find out :)
[04:18] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me how to check/change the color depth X is running at?
[04:18] <WW> TheMuso: Ah, I didn't know that.
[04:18] <PenguinBoy1> evening guys!
[04:18] <SamBozo> I am getting someone telling me that Ubuntu will not install if there is an existing bootloader already existing from their sarge install..? true/false ? I don't dual boot so I can't help them??
[04:19] <WW> TheMuso: FWIW, I edited something about an hour ago, and it worked.
[04:19] <geppy> maswan:  An end-user agrees that he has the rights to hack it, and download the sources, and do basically whatever the hell else he wants to do, as long as he shares these rights.  Just because you're agreeing to these rights doesn't mean that you aren't _agreeing_.
[04:19] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and look for default color depth setting
[04:19] <maswan> geppy: have you actually read the gpl?
[04:19] <geppy> Yes, multiple times.
[04:20] <geppy> Regardless, you _still_ _have_ _to_ _agree_ to it before you use a GPL'd program.
[04:20] <SamBozo> never mind they are going to remove ubuntu .. oh well another one lost
[04:20] <maswan> geppy: no, you don't.
[04:20] <ogra> geppy: and a MS eula ?
[04:20] <geppy> ogra: hmm?
[04:20] <maswan> geppy: I have to _redistribute_ programs by the terms of the GPL, but I don't  have to do anything to use a program.
[04:20] <ogra> nobody reads them *g*
[04:20] <LinuxJones> geppy, you sound like a SCO lawyer looking for help :D
[04:20] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: is 24 the best?
[04:21] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Yes
[04:21] <ogra> LinuxJones: did you say jehova ???
[04:21] <geppy> LinuxJones: hahahahaha
[04:21] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: thanx
[04:21] <Phr0stByte> brettcar: I guess my res is just too high then.
[04:21] <geppy> maswan:  you're still agreeing to your rights to the source, and your right to not have the right taken from you, regardless of whether you want it, or not.
[04:22] <brettcar> Phr0stByte: Some cards can support 32-bit color (4 trillion+ colors) but the human eye can't tell the difference.
[04:22] <brettcar> geppy: You should really take a course in contract law. ;)
[04:22] <maswan> geppy: Also, in the privacy of my own laptop, I can mix linux kernel code and UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF AT&T
[04:22] <maswan> geppy: I can't _redistribute_ that, but I can sure as hell use it.
[04:22] <geppy> brettcar: Am I that clueless?  =)
[04:23] <brettcar> geppy: It seems like it, I don't mean to be insensitive. I haven't followed your conversation too closely.
[04:23] <geppy> brettcar:  heh  :)
[04:23] <geppy> I still don't understand how it's not a EULA.  You're still agreeing to the license when you receive a GPL'd program.
[04:23] <geppy> How does that not make it a EULA?
[04:23] <brettcar> geppy: No you aren't
[04:23] <maswan> geppy: no, you aren't. because you don't need to.
[04:24] <geppy> How are you not agreeing to it?
[04:24] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL is a license to redistribute. ***NOT A LICENSE FOR USE***
[04:24] <brettcar> That is the fundamental difference in the GnuWorld.
[04:24] <maswan> geppy: agreement is an action. I do not take that action.
[04:24] <maswan> geppy: You can't make agreement into a default non-action.
[04:24] <brettcar> geppy: When you agree to an EULA you are accepting a *LICENSE TO USE SOMETHING*
[04:24] <WW> brettcar, maswan: So the person/entity that is bound by the GPL is the person/entity that gave the program to geppy, right?
[04:25] <brettcar> geppy: The fact that you obtained a program legally gives you the right to use it. No such law can prohibit that.
[04:25] <ogra> geppy: a EULA is a license to *** NOT REDISTRIBUTE ***
[04:25] <maswan> WW: Yeah, because without the license that would have been illegal.
[04:25] <bulio> are the ubuntu cds shipped by mail/
[04:25] <brettcar> geppy: Copyright law however denies you the right to redistribute by default. The GPL gives that right back to you.
[04:25] <brettcar> bulio: Not yet
[04:25] <LinuxJones> geppy, read the GPL >> http://www.gnu.org/home.html
[04:25] <geppy> The person who provided it to me is bound to make me aware of my rights, no?
[04:25] <bulio> will they be?
[04:25] <ogra> geppy: _End User_ licenseagreement
[04:25] <geppy> I'm there, and I've read it.
[04:25] <brettcar> bulio: Eventually
[04:26] <brettcar> WW: Aye
[04:26] <geppy> I understand where you're all coming from; just not how, if you have to be made aware of it, you're not agreeing to it.
[04:26] <maswan> geppy: Not really, it is enough to provide the source next to the binary on a webpage.
[04:26] <brettcar> WW: I/you/whoever, is only bound by the GPL when you redistribute the program. By definition that is the act of "copy"ing, hence "copyright>"
[04:26] <bulio> brettcar: is it sent at all atm?
[04:26] <brettcar> >=.
[04:26] <brettcar> bulio: Nope
[04:26] <bulio> ok
[04:26] <geppy> maswan:  Do you not have to provide the GPL, as well?
[04:26] <maswan> geppy: And ship a COPYING note. Or ship both on the CD. You don't _have_ to make the recipient aware of that. It is up to them.
[04:27] <maswan> yeah
[04:27] <brettcar> Basically it comes down to the concept of copyright law
[04:27] <maswan> but that's up to the reciever to figure out if [s] he wants to redistribute or do something else forbidden by copyright law.
[04:27] <brettcar> Right, what maswan said.
[04:27] <maswan> just for using it, having recieved it is good enough.
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: Receiving it legally however.
[04:28] <geppy> "And you must show them these terms so they know their rights"
[04:28] <GotD0t> whats the subject?
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: I don't think you have legal standing to use it if received against the terms of the GPL.
[04:28] <geppy> How does that not require them to make you aware of the GPL?
[04:28] <brettcar> maswan: But that is for a judge to decide. I believe you may have the right to use it but then distributer will be at fault.
[04:29] <brettcar> geppy: If I gave you a music CD, do I have to make you aware that you aren't allowed to copy it?
[04:29] <brettcar> geppy: No, because it is common law. The unlicensed redistribution of copyrighted material is unlawful.
[04:29] <geppy> brettcar:  Following.
[04:29] <LinuxJones> brettcar, it depends on which country/state your living in
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: I am referring to the country I am most familiar with, USA.
[04:30] <geppy> But I'm saying that if you're required to "show them these terms" when you distribute it, how is the person receiving it not seeing and agreeing to them?
[04:30] <LinuxJones> brettcar, I am from Canda and things are much different
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: Oh yes, I know about the CD thing there.
[04:30] <LinuxJones> brettcar, err Canada
[04:30] <brettcar> LinuxJones: But lets not get into that ;)
[04:31] <LinuxJones> brettcar, ya let's not :)
[04:31] <geppy> heh
[04:31] <brettcar> geppy: The person receiving it is NOT A PART of the GPL.
[04:31] <ogra> LinuxJones: you had a nice p2p case there ;)
[04:31] <maswan> geppy: what section?
[04:31] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL simply requires the *distributor* to make the license available.
[04:31] <maswan> brettcar: well, that depends really..
[04:31] <geppy> brettcar:  Not only make available; make it know.
[04:32] <brettcar> geppy: The GPL simply *can not* effect the recipient because the contract is between the distributor and the copyright holder.
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, it should be everywhere :)
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, Like the GPL
[04:32] <geppy> maswan:  What is in what section?
[04:32] <maswan> brettcar: we do have some fudge factors about it being resonable assumption of it being redistributed in that way etc.
[04:32] <ogra> LinuxJones: oh yes, this judge is great
[04:32] <maswan> geppy: that you have to "show them these terms"
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ;D
[04:33] <geppy> Preamble is where I quoted that part from
[04:33] <geppy> just search for "And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."
[04:33] <maswan> ah, the preamble
[04:33] <brettcar> geppy: The preamble is generally not legally binding.
[04:33] <maswan> isn't reflected in the terms section though
[04:33] <brettcar> geppy: You are bound only by the terms and conditions of the contract
[04:33] <geppy>     b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in     whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any     part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third     parties under the terms of this License.
[04:33] <geppy> Understood.
[04:34] <LinuxJones> ogra, I only have ever made copies of music that I have legally purchased and thankfully I have my .ogg backups when the media gets scratched :)
[04:34] <geppy> But that says that you must make anyone that receives it become bound by the GPL.
[04:34] <maswan> only that you have to make prominent copyright statements and ship a copy of the license..
[04:34] <brettcar> geppy: No it does not
[04:34] <maswan> geppy: definately not
[04:34] <brettcar> geppy: It says nothing of the sort, and besides if it did, that kind of contract would be non-binding and illegal.
[04:34] <maswan> 5.  You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License.
[04:35] <brettcar> Pure genius that clause :)
[04:35] <geppy> heh
[04:35] <ogra> LinuxJones: and of course you store them in .mldonkey/ahred ;)
[04:35] <ogra> shared
[04:35] <geppy> I'm still bound to make people aware of the license, though, is what I'm saying.
[04:35] <brettcar> geppy: No you aren't, such text is found nowhere in the GPL
[04:35] <geppy> alright
[04:36] <GotD0t> can someone tell me the format for editing crontab?
[04:36] <maswan> brettcar: well, you do have to display copyright statements. that
[04:36] <geppy> Well, then, back to what I was getting at:  It's legally feasible to ship a deb with a click-through EULA and wget for the w32codecs?
[04:36] <maswan> 's as close as I get
[04:36] <brettcar> In fact the word 'aware' appears no where in the GPL, and the word 'show' only in the preamble.
[04:36] <brettcar> maswan: Yeah but that isn't the same as a "clickwrap" awaregreement. :)
[04:36] <maswan> geppy: well... that would depend on the w32codecs
[04:36] <brettcar> To coin a phrase :P
[04:36] <GotD0t> i looked in man crontab and it doesn't say anything about the format of the file
[04:36] <brettcar> geppy: Probably not
[04:37] <LinuxJones> ogra, no way it's their art and I would never do it without their permission, but I should be able to make backups to offset the limitations of the medium that they are distributed on :)
[04:37] <maswan> geppy: nothing to do with the gpl, because they aren't under the gpl
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Because what gave you the right to distribute those codecs?
[04:37] <geppy> I'm not distributing, them, though.
[04:37] <geppy> That's what I was saying.
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Unless you have a license to distribute the codecs (or are the copyright holder) then you can't distributed them at all. EULA or not.
[04:37] <geppy> I'd be offering a wget for them.
[04:37] <brettcar> geppy: Ubuntu can't distribute them in that manner then.
[04:37] <geppy> e.g. from the main site.
[04:37] <geppy> where you're supposed to get them.
[04:38] <joem> GotD0t, http://metawire.org/~joem/configs/crontab
[04:38] <maswan> well, then it isn't an eula you should have, but a warning
[04:38] <GotD0t> thank you joem...
[04:38] <ogra> LinuxJones: who is their ?
[04:38] <brettcar> geppy: Depending on how you execute that may or may not be legal.
[04:38] <geppy> I agree that it has nothing to do with the GPL, I wasn't referring to it when I asked.
[04:38] <brettcar> geppy: But that's how the ms-core-fonts-whatever package used to (still?) worked.
[04:38] <geppy> Alright, thanks.
[04:39] <ogra> LinuxJones: EMI, Sony, BMG ?
[04:40] <WW> There would be no legal problem with a "click-through EULA" for a script that installed Java, would there?
[04:40] <brettcar> WW: Well, I haven't read Java's license but didn't the Blackdown debs do that?
[04:40] <brettcar> WW: I built my own Java deb with java-package and it has to agree to a click-thru too.
[04:40] <WW> brettcar: Maybe. I haven't installed Java from Blackdown.
[04:41] <LinuxJones> ogra, the band(s) music that I have legally purchased and backed up (and transcoded in a free format).
[04:41] <geppy> Right, so you all probably think I'm really stupid, but what would be wrong with a deb consisting of a click-through EULA and a wget to the w32codecs?
[04:41] <brettcar> WW: I believe that is what Blackdown does, but their debs are out of date
[04:41] <GotD0t> joem can you clarify this, i want to make it so that it runs a command every 10 minutes
[04:41] <brettcar> geppy: I can't say because I don't know about the license available for w32codecs
[04:42] <geppy> brettcar:  Alright.
[04:42] <brettcar> geppy: It might have a clause "you may not use wget to retrieve these files."
[04:42] <geppy> heh
[04:42] <geppy> brettcar: And if it doesn't?
[04:42] <maswan> brettcar: ehm. basically non-existant.
[04:42] <brettcar> geppy: Then I suppose it could be legal.
[04:42] <GotD0t> joem: so what would each of the ones be?
[04:42] <maswan> brettcar: that is, redistribution is probably not allowed if looking at it strictly.
[04:42] <toothpick> I'm trying to play with wine...tough cookie for me.
[04:43] <brettcar> maswan: Yes but if you wget'd from the actual official distribution place it could be potentially legal.
[04:43] <maswan> brettcar: heh. you want to know what w32codecs is? :)
[04:43] <brettcar> maswan: Of course if the actual code is "illegal" (like our favourite DVD encryption method...) its another story
[04:44] <brettcar> maswan: Yeah I have a vague idea. See previous message.
[04:44] <brettcar> maswan: I know what the package does but I don't know its legal implications.
[04:44] <maswan> brettcar: it is dlls etc ripped out of mixed "freely" available installers for various windows codecs.
[04:44] <brettcar> Hah
[04:44] <maswan> brettcar: ah, no, dvd decryption is in mplayer proper. no need for w32codecs for that
[04:45] <maswan> well, if you are in a place where brute-forcing css session keys is illegal, mplayer is probably not for you. :)
[04:46] <brettcar> Arg, it was a hypothetical! :P
[04:46] <GotD0t> joem: are you there?
[04:46] <ogra> LinuxJones: if it were for the artists i would totally argee, but i'm a bit different about this...
[04:46] <GotD0t> well can anybody else help me with the crontab format
[04:46] <Lathiat> GotD0t: google.com/linux
[04:47] <maswan> brettcar: and that is in the redistributable main mplayer, w32codecs is the problematic part. ;)
[04:47] <Lathiat> iirc its d m h m s /path/to/script
[04:47] <brettcar> GotD0t: */5 * * * * commandToRunEvery5Minutes
[04:47] <Lathiat> (d=day, m=month, h=hour, m=minute, s=seconds)
[04:47] <Lathiat> no
[04:47] <Lathiat> otherway around
[04:47] <brettcar> maswan: Right, this I know
[04:47] <Lathiat> i dunno
[04:47] <LinuxJones> ogra, what do you mean ?
[04:47] <Lathiat> i cant remember :)
[04:47] <GotD0t> thank you
[04:47] <brettcar> Lathiat: I'm right, thats right out of my crontab :P
[04:47] <Lathiat> i know
[04:47] <Lathiat> i was trying to remember off the top of my head
[04:47] <Lathiat> i failed miserably :)
[04:47] <brettcar> hehe
[04:48] <brettcar> Oh by the way, here is a present to all you great Ubuntu users ;)
[04:48] <brettcar> The power of Linux: www.last.fm
[04:48] <maswan> man 5 crontab
[04:48] <maswan> for more extensive documentation and examples etc
[04:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: what you buy there is in the end a product of greed, there have to be found new ways for distribution, ways in which the rating of the art is higher than the profit
[04:50] <Mitario> hmm, is there a reason why 'services-admin' isn't included in ubuntu?
[04:51] <ogra> LinuxJones: i think all the p2p and copying could be the begin of a revolutionary change in this system where the quality counts instead of the PR
[04:51] <ogra> LinuxJones: and the artists get what tey deserve
[04:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: a ubuntu way for music based on the pressure and needs of the customer
[04:52] <brettcar> ogra: Then again those damn kids are still downloading the same crap off P2P ;)
[04:52] <geppy> heh
[04:52] <brettcar> ogra: I've found more new music through legal means (and innovative business models!) like www.last.fm ;)
[04:53] <GotD0t> brettcar: those damnted kids... you're what... 17?
[04:53] <brettcar> GotD0t: As opposed to those blessed kids ;)
[04:53] <GotD0t> heh
[04:54] <GotD0t> ahhh, how do i get out of crontab?
[04:55] <brettcar> GotD0t: It's just your $EDITOR...
[04:55] <GotD0t> but it wont let me exit...
[04:55] <geppy> :q!
[04:55] <geppy> ?
[04:55] <WW> He rebooted...
[04:55] <geppy> heh
[04:55] <geppy> probably
[04:55] <GotD0t> oops
[04:55] <GotD0t> haha
[04:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: imagine a system where your p2p program charges automatically for every download....the others as well, so if you redistribute you earn money and pay for your music as well....
[04:55] <LinuxJones> ogra, argh brb
[04:56] <brettcar> ogra: Sounds like a MLM scheme ;)
[04:56] <GotD0t> ogra: that would require some reworking of copyright laws it hink
[04:56] <geppy> heh
[04:56] <geppy> Yeah.
[04:56] <brettcar> GotD0t: Nah, just a license from the copyright holder to work it that way.
[04:56] <ogra> GotD0t: that was the beginning of this conversation....
[04:56] <WW> ogra: But who would use it?  Won't people _always_ find ways to distribute stuff freely?
[04:56] <geppy> hahaha
[04:57] <GotD0t> ahh, help
[04:57] <ogra> WW: i'm just dreaming.....
[04:57] <WW> ogra: Good... and thinking about it some more, maybe it could work.
[04:58] <brettcar> GotD0t: Open a new terminal kill the process.
[04:58] <brettcar> GotD0t: Then EDITOR=nano crontab -e
[04:58] <brettcar> And relax ;P
[04:58] <ogra> WW: i wont ban the greed out of the world, i can only live this attitude myself ...
[04:59] <geppy> hahaha
[04:59] <LinuxJones> ogra, i only transcode the music that I have legally purchased ( and transcoded)
[05:00] <ogra> LinuxJones: i understood.....was just philosophizing a bit....
[05:02] <WW> ogra: It is a fascinating issue. The internet will only get faster and faster, making it ever easier to copy music, video, etc.
[05:02] <LinuxJones> ogra, I understand but I also support the bands that I listen to by paying $70.00 for a ticket to see them in person :D
[05:02] <geppy> Does ubuntu use something like ESD, by default?
[05:03] <Mr_Smiley> geppy, i think so
[05:04] <geppy> Do people not like ALSA's dmix?
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> dunno
[05:04] <geppy> hmph =)
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> i have an audigy2 though so i disabled esd
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[05:04] <geppy> haha
[05:04] <geppy> How is the Linux support on it?
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> well it works..
[05:04] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[05:04] <geppy> hahaha
[05:05] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[05:05] <geppy> I was looking into getting an Audigy 2 Platinum for recording purposes... until I browsed ALSA support pages, and found that none of the cool stuff was supported.
[05:05] <Mr_Smiley> geppy, yeah i don't use it for that.
[05:05] <geppy> Ah, alright.
[05:05] <blacknyx> I have audigy gamer
[05:06] <geppy> eh, how's that supported?
[05:06] <blacknyx> alright, it works but it doesn't have anything special, its a bitch to config on a newly installed distro
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> i think all audigy's use the same driver?
[05:06] <blacknyx> my ubuntu still doesn't like it, no sound.  so im back on my duel boot suse
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[05:06] <geppy> Oh.  All but one, but each card has different features.
[05:06] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[05:07] <Mr_Smiley> i have an audigy 2 ZS
[05:07] <geppy> Different features aren't supported on different cards.
[05:07] <geppy> Nice card, that.  :)
[05:07] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[05:07] <WW> brettcar: I've tried to get different free mp3's from last.fm, and each time it says "Whoops, this download isn't available yet..."
 GtoD0t: happy samba setup ;)
[05:19] <GotD0t> ygnome: you still alive?
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: hang on, I'll check
[05:20] <GotD0t> ygnome: that should be self-evident
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: ouch! yes. I'm alive :)
[05:20] <ygnome> GotD0t: what have u done to share the printer?
[05:20] <GotD0t> ygnome: nothing, i dont know where to begin...
[05:21] <ygnome> GotD0t: ok. well, that won't work.
[05:21] <ygnome> GotD0t: ubuntu runs cups, ok?
[05:21] <blacknyx> be back, gotta try to format my other hd
[05:22] <GotD0t> that shouldn't be too hard ;0
[05:22] <blacknyx> it shouldn't, but its ntfs format with tons of media files I dont want to lose
[05:22] <GotD0t> oh
[05:22] <ygnome> GotD0t: I've done this b4, but it was a long time ago, just looking for a setup...
[05:23] <GotD0t> ygnome: thanks
[05:27] <ygnome> GotD0t: can you browse the cups help on your system?
[05:27] <ygnome> GotD0t: try this in a browser: http://localhost:631/sam.html#8_8
[05:27] <GotD0t> yea
[05:28] <WW> GotD0t: Also take a look at question 18: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:30] <WW> GotD0t: (But I am mostly ignorant, so I don't know if that will help with getting a windows box to use your printer.)
[05:32] <ygnome> WW: looks like u are on the money there Didn't know that MS was doing IPP, that's cool.
[05:33] <ygnome> GotD0t: so you have 2 options, now. Samba or IPP.
[05:34] <GotD0t> ygnome: hmm
[05:35] <WW> ygnome: I don't see how I can be on the money when I don't really know what the heck I'm doing! :)
[05:37] <ygnome> WW: well, it is :)
[05:39] <ygnome> GotD0t: if it were me, I'd use the FAQ method, you will probably get more help on it here if the wheels fall off.
[05:47] <ygnome> bbiab. lunch...
[05:52] <WW> GotD0t: Still there?
[05:53] <GotD0t> WW: yea, working on it
[05:53] <WW> I happen to have a Win2k laptop sitting here, and a printer attached to my Ubuntu desktop, so I am trying the same thing.
[05:54] <devscott> is there a howto for linux drivers on warty?
[05:55] <WW> devscott: If it's for something common like graphics drivers for nvidia or ati, yes.
[05:55] <bob2> devscott: which drivers?
[05:55] <devscott> ww, could you point me to a nvidia one?
[05:55] <devscott> I have dual monitors that I would really love to use
[05:55] <bob2> devscott: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:55] <bob2> assuming your question is "How do I install the nvidia binary drivers?"
[05:56] <WW> devscott: What bob2 said :)
[05:56] <devscott> thanks bob2 & ww
[05:57] <WW> GotD0t: I made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki, and in the Win2k box, I tried adding a Network Printer.
[05:57] <WW> GotD0t: I'm currently in the Add Printer Wizard...
[05:58] <Lathiat> just browse to the computer in network neighbourhood
[05:58] <Lathiat> right click the printer and hit connect
[06:00] <WW> Lathiat: In Win2K?  Where is the network neighborhood?
[06:01] <Lathiat> WW: it might be caled network places or something
[06:01] <Lathiat> it should be a link off your desktop
[06:04] <GotD0t> question: does anybody know why my win2k box seems to be getting an insanely slow connection to HP's website, and i get a normal speed
[06:04] <bob2> mtu?
[06:04] <devscott> GotD0t: are you downloading drivers?
[06:05] <GotD0t> devscott: well im attempting to download a driver on the win2k box...
[06:05] <devscott> there is a known problem with their driver download page
[06:05] <GotD0t> oh?
[06:05] <devscott> GotD0t: cancel the download and restart it
[06:05] <devscott> GotD0t: should fix it
[06:05] <neuro_> devscott: do elaborate, i've been dl'ing drivers from hp for years and never had a prob
[06:05] <bob2> wow, that's a very strange bug
[06:05] <devscott> <-- wife works at HP
[06:06] <neuro_> that's not elaborating :>
[06:06] <devscott> they have some issue with some connectivity since they updated some of their asp applications
[06:06] <neuro_> k
[06:07] <devscott> umm the form you go through to get to the drivers
[06:07] <neuro_> of course, if they named their driver files more sensibly, you could just browse ftp.hp.com :)
[06:07] <devscott> are mostly asp driven, and point to a old server
[06:07] <GotD0t> devscott: uhh. still doesnt seem to be working... its giving me 10 kb/s... and its midnight so i dont think theres a lot traffic on their site
[06:07] <devscott> shouldn't be at this time
[06:08] <GotD0t> devscott: its the retarded computer
[06:08] <devscott> which driver, I'll try here
[06:08] <GotD0t> devscott: im downloading it on my ubuntu box and its getting 400kb/s
[06:09] <devscott> hmmm. odd indeed
[06:09] <GotD0t> devscott: its the computer, its dying
[06:09] <devscott> yeah windows will do that to a machine ;)
[06:09] <GotD0t> devscott: not just windows.. the mere fact that its an old HP
[06:10] <bob2> GotD0t: language please
[06:11] <neuro_> bob2: ?
[06:11] <GotD0t> ?
[06:11] <GotD0t> i prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish
[06:12] <GotD0t> print "i prefer english... but i do know a little bit of spanish"
[06:12] <devscott> does firefox pull the plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[06:12] <neuro_> forgot the ; :)
[06:12] <GotD0t> sorry
[06:12] <GotD0t> its late
[06:13] <neuro_> even later here :)
[06:13] <GotD0t> if i need to run a command with sudo and i need it cron'ed then how do i set it up?
[06:14] <devscott> cron it under root?
[06:14] <neuro_> run it from root's crontab
[06:14] <GotD0t> k
[06:14] <neuro_> or from one of the cron.* dirs, i.e. cron.daily
[06:15] <whiprush> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins devscott
[06:16] <GotD0t> wheres my cd burner?
[06:16] <devscott> whilprush: java is being stubborn
[06:16] <whiprush> ah, so you have it working I see. :p
[06:17] <whiprush> libjavaplugin_oji.so should be in there
[06:17] <whiprush> symlinked to wherever you installed the java plugin
[06:17] <whiprush> mine is in
[06:17] <whiprush> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:18] <devscott> tried that but about:plugins comes up empty
[06:18] <WW> In Win2K, I couldn't figure out the "Network Places" that lathiat mentioned.
[06:18] <devscott> gcc32 or just ns7?
[06:18] <whiprush> depends, you have to find it.
[06:18] <whiprush> depends on how you installed it
[06:18] <whiprush> as long as the symlink points to the right one it'll work
[06:18] <WW> When I try to install a printer using the Add Printer Wizard, and I give it the URL http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/ML-1750,
[06:18] <devscott> <- has a feeling he should've used the 1.4  instead of the 1.5
[06:19] <WW> windows apparently talks to <IP_ADDRESS>, but it says it doesn't have the correct driver.
[06:19] <rt> this new kvm switch seems to work quite well.
[06:20] <WW> Why should I need a driver in windows?  The computer to which the printer is attached has the driver.
[06:20] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time :)
[06:20] <Matrix_User> i have a public announcement to make
[06:21] <Matrix_User> ubuntu r0x :)
[06:22] <neuro_> i think praising Ubuntu in
[06:22] <neuro_> i think praising Ubuntu in #ubuntu is kinda redundant
[06:22] <neuro_> but i'm sure the devs appreciate it nonetheless :>
[06:23] <Matrix_User> its constructive criticism :)
[06:23] <WW> Ah yes, ancient debian...
[06:23] <devscott> :)
[06:23] <Matrix_User> whens the last time someone told you , ya rock
[06:23] <rt> people line up outside my door to tell me that.
[06:23] <ygnome> WW: windows needs to know how to format the data, pagesizes and margins etc, etc.
[06:24] <rt> packages 19% completed.
[06:25] <devscott> <- likes monodevelop
[06:25] <GotD0t> ww: you need to download the proper drivers from whatever the website is
[06:29] <rt> 45%
[06:29] <GotD0t> WW how are you setting up your printer?
[06:29] <WW> GotD0t: In progress... I found the CD that came with the printer.
[06:29] <GotD0t> WW: but which way?
[06:30] <WW> GotD0t: I'm trying the "Add Printer Wizard": Network Printer, URL is the server printer.
[06:31] <GotD0t> WW; because i tried samba and i got the drivers and such installed, and its telling me a command or something was missing
[06:32] <WW> GotD0t: No love from Win2K.  It still gives me the same error.  If I had read the error more carefully I could have guessed that.
[06:32] <srbaker_> yo
[06:33] <srbaker_> is there anything special i need to watch an avi in ubuntu?
[06:33] <GotD0t> codecs
[06:33] <srbaker_> i'm getting an "unknown error" from totem
[06:33] <GotD0t> haha
[06:33] <GotD0t> what format is the avi in?
[06:33] <srbaker_> it works fine on the other ubuntu box
[06:33] <WW> It says "The server on which the 'Samsung ML-1750 Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended)' printer resides does not have the correct printer driver installed.  If you want to install the driver on your local computer, click OK."
[06:33] <srbaker_> GotD0t, dunno.  but i watched it find on the other ubunto box.   and i don't think i installed anything special
[06:34] <srbaker_> where do i configure xine for sound?
[06:34] <GotD0t> ww: well thats because when two windows boxes share a printer the remote box pulls the driver files from the host
[06:35] <GotD0t> ww: and when it cant find them on the host, you have to install them yourself
[06:36] <srbaker_> how do i figure out what format the avi is in?
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ ask the person you got it from
[06:36] <srbaker_> GotD0t, no.
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ of course im assuming you got it from a P2P network
[06:36] <srbaker_> yes
[06:36] <srbaker_> i think it's an audio error, actually
[06:36] <srbaker_> how do i make sure xine can talk to my audio device?
[06:36] <GotD0t> srbaker_ what makes you think that
[06:37] <neuro_> use the file command
[06:37] <neuro_> neuro@majestic:~/media/Enterprise $ file star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.\[BT\] .avi
[06:37] <neuro_> star.trek.enterprise.403.hdtv-lol.[BT] .avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 624 x 352, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[06:37] <srbaker_> The Sopranos - Season 5 - Ep 2.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 368, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[06:38] <GotD0t> right, XviD and mp3
[06:38] <srbaker_> ** (totem:9835): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)48000, channels=(int)2, codec_data=(buffer)020080bb0000ec3e0000800400000c00010002000000820101000000
[06:38] <srbaker_> that's why i think it's an audio pro blem
[06:38] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:39] <GotD0t> srbaker_ well you need to install the mp3 codec... im surprised you dont have that and you have the XviD
[06:39] <agwibowo> what's an easy way to do file transfer to an Ubuntu machine? I usually run the ssh server and then do scp to it.... but it seems that ubuntu doesn't have it, even in the universe/main repository
[06:39] <WW> GotD0t: OK, I made progress.  I installed the drivers from the, and I was able to add the printer in Win2K.  But I just tried to print something to it, and it looks like windows tried to print to LPT1 !!!
[06:39] <Gmail> hey gnome-audio is broken
[06:39] <srbaker_> GotD0t, but i'm telling you, it works on my other ubuntu box
[06:39] <srbaker_> that has the same software
[06:40] <WW> GotD0t: s/from the,/from the CD,/
[06:40] <Gmail> well not broken
[06:40] <phill> what is the live cd like?
[06:40] <GotD0t> i believe you srbaker_
[06:40] <phill> will it detect my ati card and use the binary drivers?
[06:40] <Gmail> it built agenst almost everything in ubuntu
[06:40] <phill> where is the ATi faq for ubuntu?
[06:40] <bob2> phill: nope
[06:40] <Gmail> i.e. gnome, base-config .....
[06:41] <bob2> phill:  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <Gmail> and wtf does i.e. stand for?
[06:41] <phill> thanks
[06:41] <vashtar> i've got a firefox question that is probably simple
[06:41] <srbaker_> i'll try totem-gstreamer, maybe that's how i did it
[06:41] <agwibowo> helloo... anyone?? can help me??
[06:41] <agwibowo> file transfer in ubuntu??
[06:41] <rt> internet explorer?
[06:41] <rt> :-)
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: you didn't install the ssh server
[06:42] <Mr_Smiley> Gmail, Applications - Accessories - Dictionary :P
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: do so
[06:42] <srbaker_> oh.  totem-gstreamer was installed.  i'm trying totem-xine now
[06:42] <Gmail> internet exploder? (btw i never touch ie in my life because i'v never touched winblows before)
[06:42] <agwibowo> bob2: i did  sudo apt-get install sshd      doens't have it
[06:42] <bob2> agwibowo: openssh-server
[06:42] <Gmail> Mr_Smiley: i cant open gnome
[06:42] <vashtar> everytime i try to open a php file, it pops up the "open with" type dialog instead of actually opening the file
[06:42] <Mr_Smiley> Gmail, oh
[06:42] <vashtar> anyone know how to fix?
[06:42] <agwibowo> ahhhh
[06:42] <agwibowo> thanks
[06:42] <bob2> Gmail: you've never used windows?  how did you use dialup AOL then?
[06:42] <Gmail> Mr_Smiley: that might be because half of it isnt configured and installed
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[06:43] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: Gmail didn't do a normal ubuntu install
[06:43] <Gmail> bob2: google > dail up to aol + linux
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> yeah so i've hear
[06:43] <GotD0t> gmail: i think someone who hasnt used windows before is a very rare occurance
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> heard*
[06:43] <Mr_Smiley> anyway
[06:43] <bob2> Gmail: yes, linspire have supported it for a few months now
[06:43] <bob2> Gmail: but you implied you used it years ago
[06:43] <Gmail> GotD0t: i dont have enuff money to buy winblows
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: never went to college?
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i used it 1 month ago for 30min
[06:44] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am 14
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i said i used it 1 month ago for 30min
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: im sure your middle school has computers...
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: haven't you used those?
[06:44] <Gmail> GotD0t: no just the princepble
[06:44] <GotD0t> gmail: or are they using apple II-e's?
[06:45] <GotD0t> you're kidding?
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am in a privet school with 25 kids from years k to 9
[06:45] <neuro_> hey, the //e was cool :)
[06:45] <GotD0t> i know... that was my first computer
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: wait the adminstartor brings here lappy from home every now and then
[06:45] <GotD0t> i wish i still had one
[06:45] <Gmail> and anyway my priceble use linux
[06:46] <GotD0t> WW; you there?
[06:47] <WW> SUCCESS!!!
[06:47] <Gmail> i only got $1.1k for my birthday from family (there scums they are *ALL* mutli-millionars and we a the poorer ones but i still rich)
[06:47] <GotD0t> HOW? im still reading an error from my win2k box
[06:47] <Gmail> s/i/we
[06:47] <GotD0t> you ONLY got 1.1k
[06:47] <bob2> Gmail: this seems fairly off-topic
[06:47] <GotD0t> clearly
[06:47] <Gmail> GotD0t: yes but.....
[06:47] <rt> hmmm.
[06:48] <GotD0t> WW: what did you do
[06:48] <rt> this errored out.  looks like a bad cd?
[06:48] <rt> grrr.
[06:48] <bob2> rt: check the md5sum
[06:48] <WW> GotD0t: On the ubuntu side, I used made the changes to cupsd.conf suggested in the wiki faq, and restarted cupsd.
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: guess ill be trying that way
[06:49] <WW> GotD0t: In win2k, I used the "Add Printer Wizard"
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: samba didnt work
[06:49] <WW> GotD0t: I never touched samba.
[06:49] <GotD0t> WW: looks like you were the brighter one
[06:50] <Gmail> hmm i EVERYTHING from the kernel to gnome from the internet last night (in my unlimmited offpeak quota) and gnome isnt load fast i have to wait again
[06:50] <WW> GotD0t: I added a "Network Printer", and gave the following URL: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/ML-1750.
[06:51] <Gmail> ok me reburns
[06:51] <Gmail> bob2: i am having problem with my burner
[06:51] <bob2> really?
[06:51] <bob2> that's a huge surprise.
[06:51] <Gmail> any right mode i use it says it doesnt support it
[06:51] <Gmail> s/right/write
[06:52] <Gmail> i used: -tao -dao and -sao and maybe one more that #ubuntu told me to
[06:52] <GotD0t> bob2, be nice
[06:52] <Lathiat> GotD0t: try reading yesterdays backlog
[06:53] <GotD0t> Lathiat: oh, hehe
[06:53] <Gmail> Lathiat: lol
[06:53] <bob2> Gmail: does your burner actually work at all?
[06:53] <Gmail> GotD0t: dont you will see lots of repeating
[06:53] <Gmail> bob2: in manbrake it did
[06:54] <bob2> Gmail: burn ubuntu from inside mandrake then
[06:54] <Gmail> but in manbrake also cdp... -scanbus worked too
[06:54] <bob2> yes, burn it in mandrake
[06:54] <Gmail> and manbrake uses a 2.6 kernel
[06:54] <bob2> yes, I know
[06:54] <bob2> burn the cd under mandrake
[06:55] <GotD0t> then use mandrake...
[06:55] <GotD0t> wow
[06:55] <GotD0t> that was odd
[06:55] <Gmail> so why doesnt cdp... -scanbus work in ubuntu?
[06:55] <bob2> Gmail: no one can possibly help you debug such a broken system.
[06:56] <neuro_> oops
[06:56] <bob2> once you install ubuntu properly, we can help you get cd burning working
[06:56] <Gmail> GotD0t: i used manbrake for now 20hrs i hate it there is no cdrecord be default it hell to install anything and bittorent doesnt work
[06:56] <WW> Gmail: Indeed, once you install Ubuntu properly, CD burning will Just Work (TM)
[06:57] <Gmail> bob2: i am going to have reinstall manbrake
[06:57] <Gmail> :(
[06:57] <Gmail> about 20min
[06:57] <bob2> Gmail: ok, see you later.
[06:57] <Gmail> and then to burn the cd a 8x 20min
[06:57] <GotD0t> 8x?
[06:57] <GotD0t> wow
[06:57] <Gmail> then to install 30min
[06:57] <WW> Gmail: 4x is safer
[06:58] <GotD0t> i burn DVD's at 8x
[06:58] <bob2> Gmail: cool, see you then
[06:58] <Gmail> GotD0t: my cd drive support 52x my cd support 42x
[06:58] <bob2> Gmail: go reinstall it now.
[06:58] <GotD0t> have fun
[06:58] <Gmail> :(
[07:00] <Gmail> ok my partioning of my 160hdd is 500mb /boot 50GB / 50GB /home 40GB /music and rest swap like 19.5GB
[07:00] <Gmail> what should i change that to?
[07:00] <chutwig> that's a whole lot of swap
[07:00] <WW> Gmail: You don't need 19.5GB for swap
[07:00] <Sensebend> that is a lot of boot too
[07:00] <chutwig> he might need to keep like 200 kernels around, though
[07:00] <Sensebend> not much home
[07:00] <Gmail> chutwig: it will be 1% of my mounted space
[07:01] <WW> Gmail: How much RAM do you have?
[07:01] <bob2> Gmail: that's not the point
[07:01] <bob2> Gmail: 19.5GB of swap is a complete waste
[07:01] <chutwig> twice physical memory is really the largest swap you should need
[07:01] <chutwig> typically 1.5x is more than enough
[07:01] <Gmail> 512MB +200MB (not in system right now)
[07:02] <Sensebend> so 768MB total?
[07:02] <Lathiat> so the most you could possibly want is like 2gig
[07:02] <bob2> the 2x rule is very out of date
[07:02] <chutwig> i honestly would not be concerned with splitting the partitions way up
[07:02] <Gmail> but i never have used my swap before in debian
[07:02] <Sensebend> at the MOST you would want about 2Gigabyte
[07:02] <WW> Gmail: 512MB is probably fine for swap, and even then, your system might never touch it.
[07:02] <bob2> 256MB of swap with 512 is plenty
[07:02] <Lathiat> and even then, i highly doubt youll ever use much of it, if any
[07:02] <Sensebend> 2gigabytes is huge though
[07:02] <WW> Is there an echo in here?
[07:02] <Gmail> Sensebend: - 64mb for gfx
[07:02] <WW> :)
[07:02] <chutwig> i think making a single boot partition, then devoting all the rest to / save whatever you're saving for swap
[07:02] <bob2> Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome
[07:02] <chutwig> is a sensible layout
[07:03] <Sensebend> ah shared video memory
[07:03] <bob2> you don't need a boot partition anymore
[07:03] <Sensebend> I'll agree with bob2
[07:03] <Gmail> wtf is /gnome?
[07:03] <Sensebend> he means home
[07:03] <Gmail> WTF no way
[07:04] <Gmail> i have so much in my /usr/src
[07:04] <bob2> Gmail: then don't put it there
[07:04] <calc> more than 10gb?
[07:04] <Gmail> that it, it self will be 10GB
[07:04] <bob2> Gmail: so put it in /home like a normal person
[07:04] <calc> i make all of the system in a 16GB / partition (including /home)
[07:04] <Lathiat> Gmail: then symlink that dir, dont put it in there (your not supposed to, really) or just make a 160GB / partition
[07:04] <WW> GotD0t: Any luck printing?
[07:05] <Gmail> bob2: do you put gobal source like the kernel source somewhere else than /usr/src?
[07:05] <ygnome> kleaned even
[07:05] <Gmail> calc: i got a cd which has every singal kernel out there till 26.3
[07:05] <bob2> Gmail: of course
[07:05] <Gmail> s/26.3/2.6.3
[07:05] <calc> i put kernel source in /usr/src but it would take a lot to fill 10GB
[07:05] <bob2> Gmail: ~/tmp
[07:05] <rt> damn, these cheap cds suck.
[07:06] <Gmail> ok 30GB /usr?
[07:06] <calc> heh comedy central isn't censoring southpark
[07:06] <Lathiat> Gmail: just make a 160GB /, its just easier.
[07:06] <bob2> Gmail: why are you wasting your time splitting up into multiple partitions?
[07:06] <Lathiat> Gmail: theres no point partitioning up
[07:06] <Gmail> Lathiat: i need one for my /home i swap distro lots of times
[07:06] <bob2> Gmail: obviously your data isn't *that* important, or you would't be formatting it
[07:06] <bob2> 15:02 < bob2> Gmail: just make a 10GB / and a 150GB /gome
[07:06] <WW> A separate /home is sort of convenient.
[07:07] <bob2> wow, that's a good idea, bob2!
[07:07] <Gmail> bob2: i never format my /home
[07:07] <bob2> Gmail: why don't you just go do this now instead of wasting time discussing it?
[07:07] <Sensebend> go make your 20GB swap partition
[07:07] <bob2> since you never listen to anyone, anyway, you might as just use whatever idea pops into your head at this particular second
[07:07] <Gmail> ok can i copy my /home stuff to my /partion?
[07:08] <ygnome> Gmail: bob2 has a point, you'd be almost installed by now...
[07:08] <bob2> Gmail: sure!
[07:08] <Gmail> how?
[07:08] <Gmail> ahh wait
[07:08] <Gmail> i copy data from /home to /
[07:08] <Gmail> but then how do i delete home at the same time
[07:09] <Gmail> and make the / bigger
[07:09] <bob2> Gmail: yes!
[07:09] <Sensebend> rm -rf /home
[07:09] <neuro_> rt: hehe
[07:09] <Gmail> lol Sensebend
[07:09] <Sensebend> to remove it
[07:09] <Sensebend> lol
[07:09] <Sensebend> it won't be moved
[07:09] <rt> wouldn't crocheting be more relaxing and ultimately more rewarding?
[07:09] <Gmail> /exec -o rm -r Sensebend
[07:10] <Gmail> /exec -o rm -r *Sensebend*
[07:10] <bob2> Gmail: stop being annoying to everyone
[07:10] <bob2> Gmail: if you want to format /home, do so
[07:10] <Gmail> ok
[07:10] <bob2> ok, goodbye, see you when you have ubuntu installed
[07:10] <Gmail> so do i have to install manbrake now?
[07:10] <WW> rt: Probably not... I imagine long, technical arguments over what kind of yarn is best, and what kind of needles one should use...
[07:10] <neuro_> manbrake?
[07:11] <Gmail> i dont want to go throu manbrake's installer again and have all those errors
[07:11] <ygnome> yea, see you soon Gmail. good luck with it
[07:11] <bob2> Gmail: just burn the cd.  if you can't figure it out in ubuntu, use mandrake.
[07:11] <bob2> Gmail: bye!
[07:11] <neuro_> ww: alt.crocheting.needles.spiky.ouch.ouch.ouch
[07:11] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to set it automatically that i start my linux i dun have to export my proxy everytime
[07:11] <Gmail> neuro_: my cd burner only works manbrake for some reason
[07:11] <|progenic|> can somebody help me ?
[07:11] <neuro_> wtf is "manbrake"?
[07:12] <bob2> neuro_: he can't type.
[07:12] <neuro_> bob2: ah, ok
[07:12] <bob2> |progenic|: in what program?
[07:12] <Gmail> wtf is "neuro_" ?
[07:12] <neuro_> Gmail: it's my nick
[07:12] <bob2> Gmail: stop it.
[07:12] <Gmail> ok
[07:12] <|progenic|> in console
[07:12] <bob2> |progenic|: set it in ~/.bashrc
[07:12] <|progenic|> especially when i want to use apt
[07:12] <neuro_> Gmail: and calling mandrake "manbrake" is somewhat childish, no?
[07:12] <|progenic|> how ?
[07:13] <ygnome> thank god.
[07:13] <bob2> |progenic|: export http_proxy="whatever
[07:13] <bob2> "
[07:13] <Lathiat> |progenic|: For some gnome programs (epiphany, for example) you can set it in Desktop Preferences -> Network Proxy, for stuff off the shell you could set it in ~/.bashrc (add export HTTP_PROXY="http://blah:111")
[07:13] <neuro_> i wonder why freenode takes people's money at times
[07:13] <neuro_> then i remember lilo has no shame :>
[07:13] <Sensebend> we need ops in this channel
[07:13] <Sensebend> to get rid of such annoying people
[07:13] <Lathiat> oh god he left?
[07:13] <Lathiat> thought id never see the day!
[07:13] <neuro_> hehe
[07:14] <Sensebend> log idiot.log saved
[07:14] <Sensebend> lol
[07:14] <Sensebend> this was comical
[07:14] <Lathiat> heh
[07:14] <Lathiat> not reall
[07:14] <neuro_> Warning: filesystem does not support multi-terabyte files such as you have just saved
[07:14] <Lathiat> y
[07:14] <Lathiat> it pisses us off and is depressing :P
[07:15] <Sensebend> it would have been funny if he ran the command I told him to
[07:15] <Sensebend> lol
[07:15] <Sensebend> rm -rf /home
[07:15] <bob2> Sensebend: no it wouldn't
[07:15] <neuro_> i was about to suggest umount /home && mke2fs /home
[07:15] <bob2> Sensebend: do not recommend that again
[07:16] <tvon|x31> Telling people to do damaging stuff is not a good idea
[07:16] <neuro_> it wouldn't have worked, but it would have been amusing
[07:16] <tvon|x31> even if they are annoying 'newbs'
[07:16] <bob2> gmail has been trying to use linux for well over six months
[07:16] <Sensebend> at least his heart is in the right place
[07:17] <bob2> no, he's abusive and ignores advice
[07:17] <neuro_> even tho his head is in the wrong place?
[07:17] <ygnome> good lord, bob2, is that correct?
[07:17] <neuro_> however i have to suggest tolerance of those not "in the know"
[07:18] <neuro_> and agree with bob2
[07:18] <Sensebend> I agree too
[07:18] <neuro_> all it takes is for one "noob" to come here asking for advice in the wrong way, for them to get brushed off with a dodgy command or three, and it shows up on /. a cpl days later
[07:18] <rt> that's odd.   Burned two different cds on two different machines, both failed installs w/ media errors.
[07:18] <bob2> rt: did you check their md5sums?
[07:18] <rt> yes.
[07:18] <rt> both checked out okay.
[07:19] <ygnome> rt: maybe it's the install machine's cd drive?
[07:19] <Sensebend> hmm
[07:19] <Mr_Smiley> is there anyway i can find out what module my wireless card is using
[07:19] <rt> never had any trouble with it before...
[07:19] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: "dmesg"
[07:19] <ajmitch_> evening
[07:19] <Sensebend> that guy was obnoxious, I have no problem going well out of my way even donating my spare time to help someone out with OSS
[07:19] <Sensebend> but my patience wears thin with obnoxious people
[07:19] <Sensebend> who refuse to listen to good advice
[07:20] <neuro_> yeah but pissing them off won't help matters
[07:20] <ygnome> rt: didn't i see instructions for installing from the HD a while ago, maybe u should try that...
[07:20] <neuro_> believe me, i've seen the end results
[07:20] <ajmitch_> I wonder if they teach spelling at that private school?
[07:20] <Mr_Smiley> bob2, thanks
[07:20] <neuro_> i've been a part of the smoothwall project for nearly 4 yrs now, and if you know anything of the project history, you'll know what insulting/patronising users can do, no matter how much or little they know
[07:21] <bob2> well, the devs don't come off much better in that story
[07:21] <ygnome> neuro_: yes, but Dick started it!
[07:21] <WW> ajmitch_: they prolly due, but iz kewl 2 mi2pe11
[07:21] <neuro_> ygnome: true dat :)
[07:21] <ajmitch_> WW: that's almost painful to read
[07:21] <tvon|x31> werd
[07:21] <neuro_> pwned
[07:21] <WW> )
[07:21] <Sensebend> I have no problem reading 1337 speak, it just so childish
[07:21] <ajmitch_> hmm, looks like my network setting didn't save
[07:22] <Sensebend> wb GotD0t
[07:22] <neuro_> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
[07:22] <ygnome> I was chatting to Dick on here a few weeks ago, he's much better now!
[07:22] <neuro_> ygnome: he's really not
[07:22] <bob2> ygnome: full of praise and love!
[07:22] <GotD0t> thanks, considering i didnt know i was gone untill i couldnt change my nick
[07:23] <neuro_> his mails to the list are the same kind of mails he's been sending out for years
[07:23] <tvon|x31> When I was 6 my sisters would speak piglatin, they were a few years older... that 1337 shit is about at the same level
[07:23] <ygnome> bob2: well, I could chat for 5 minutes without getting abused. that's an improvement.
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley> so ubuntu comes with madwifi drivers :)
[07:23] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: yes
[07:23] <GotD0t> WW: you still around?
[07:23] <neuro_> a mixture of friendly praise, offers of donations (read: effectively bribes) and utter abuse
[07:23] <bob2> Mr_Smiley: should be setup automatically, too
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley> i was just surprised at how easy it was to get working
[07:23] <Sensebend> I was actually disappointed everything worked as it should
[07:23] <Sensebend> lol
[07:24] <Sensebend> but that's just me
[07:24] <neuro_> i note he's done all three on the users list in the space of a few days
[07:24] <Mr_Smiley> same
[07:24] <ygnome> neuro_: ah. don't get the list, too much incoming as it is...
[07:24] <GotD0t> ok, I'm off to sleep... night all
[07:24] <Sensebend> night
[07:24] <WW> GotD0t: I'm embarassed to admit that yes, I am still around...
[07:24] <Sensebend> I should go to bed soon to
[07:25] <Sensebend> 1:23AM
[07:25] <neuro_> his threatening jdub was a classic
[07:25] <GotD0t> WW: well i just got it working
[07:25] <neuro_> 0625 here :)
[07:25] <WW> kewl
[07:25] <GotD0t> sensebend 1:@% get a watch that works
[07:25] <GotD0t> err
[07:25] <GotD0t> 1:25*
[07:25] <neuro_> ygnome: on behalf of every other member of the team, apols for that
[07:25] <neuro_> you're more than welcome to return if you feel you can be bothered :)
[07:25] <Sensebend> yeah my watch isn't synced to a ntp server
[07:25] <Sensebend> lol
[07:25] <GotD0t> neither is mine
[07:25] <WW> GotD0t: Same way I did?
[07:25] <neuro_> how cool would that be tho? :)
[07:25] <ygnome> neuro_: thanks. np. running ipcop now.
[07:25] <GotD0t> WW: Yea
[07:26] <neuro_> ygnome: ugh :)
[07:26] <ygnome> neuro_: :)
[07:26] <WW> GotD0t: OK, maybe tomorrow I'll put a note in the wiki.
[07:27] <GotD0t-sleep> WW: took me a bit to realize that I still had this box set to DHCP and the ip i was using didnt exist
[07:27] <WW> Bounty?  Isn't that a paper towel?
[07:27] <neuro_> uh sure, but it's been a choc bar longer :)
[07:27] <GotD0t-sleep> ok, im off... bye all
[07:27] <ygnome> neuro_: I still have an email exchange with DM that would make your hair curl. :)
[07:27] <WW> GotD0t-sleep: 'nite
[07:27] <neuro_> ygnome: betcha i've had worse
[07:28] <Sensebend> cya GotD0t-sleep have a nice rest
[07:28] <neuro_> i have all his current email address combinations blocked in my exim config
[07:28] <ygnome> lol
[07:28] <Sensebend> who neuro? dick?
[07:28] <neuro_> aye
[07:28] <neuro_> you're talking about a guy who called me his best mate, then proceeded to call me all sorts of names under the sun and also borderline libel me too
[07:28] <ygnome> I even got a 'cancer' apology at one point inbetween twat messages...
[07:28] <jdub> dudes
[07:29] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[07:29] <crimsun> guys, let's leaves this out
[07:29] <ygnome> k.
[07:29] <neuro_> jdub: yup yup
[07:29] <Sensebend> I'll agree, this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[07:29] <Sensebend> that's ok
[07:29] <Sensebend> remember it is only irc, it is only a mailing list
[07:30] <Sensebend> I'd actually like to finally get VDR working
[07:30] <neuro_> Sensebend: imagine me biting my tongue right now, hehe
[07:30] <angad> hi guys, i am brad new to ubuntu and linux.  whats the best web browser in linux?  epiphany or firefox?
[07:30] <neuro_> i have some magic thirty quid PVR card en route to try out
[07:30] <Sensebend> firefox
[07:30] <neuro_> firefox definitely
[07:30] <angad> great sensebend, thank you.  now that brings me to another question
[07:31] <Sensebend> but it all really boils down to personal preference
[07:31] <crimsun> angad: "best" is subjective, but there's a reason mozilla-firefox is featured prominently ;)
[07:31] <angad> the version that i installed through the synamptic thing was an old version, and so i downloaded the preveiew release
[07:31] <neuro_> i got mythtv running sweet, pity my machine i stotally underpowered to run it in software
[07:31] <angad> and i unintalled the old version using the synamptic thing
[07:31] <neuro_> ubuntu itself runs stupidly fast
[07:31] <angad> but
[07:31] <angad> where are programs supposed to install themselves?  and how do i install the new version into the appropriate directory?
[07:31] <angad> is there a program files directory like windows?
[07:31] <Sensebend> usually /usr/bin
[07:31] <angad> is that the home folder?
[07:31] <angad> thast where the new version seems to have installed itself
[07:31] <neuro_> or /usr/X11/bin for X stuffzors
[07:32] <Lathiat> angad: what are you trying to install
[07:32] <angad> firefox
[07:32] <angad> firefox 1.0, preview release
[07:32] <crimsun> angad: 0.10.1 was reverted to 0.9.3 because 0.10.1 was too unstable
[07:32] <crimsun> angad: hence why it shipped with 0.9.3.
[07:32] <angad> oh, i see
[07:32] <angad> yikes
[07:32] <angad> i better get rid of the preview release then
[07:32] <neuro_> i don't think there's enough of a difference between 0.9.3 and 0.10.1 to get too worried about it
[07:32] <neuro_> all the security stuff was backported anyway
[07:32] <angad> oh ok
[07:33] <tvon|x31> the pre had a a few changes that I miss
[07:33] <neuro_> there are some cute eye candy bits and bobs for sure
[07:33] <angad> ok, i'll try installing it into usr/bin and i'll let you know how it turns out
[07:33] <angad> thanks guys
[07:33] <tvon|x31> fixed a focus issue and keyboard shortcuts (like ctrl-a) in form fields
[07:33] <neuro_> but Actual Browsing is pretty much the same
[07:33] <tvon|x31> yes
[07:33] <Sensebend> tvon|x31, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming, 1.0 is coming
[07:34] <Sensebend> just keep repeating tha
[07:34] <Sensebend> t
[07:34] <neuro_> i'm sure 1.0 will pop up in universe or multiverse once it's out
[07:34] <angad> how do i remove a program?  do i juust remove its directory?
[07:34] <neuro_> use synaptic
[07:35] <angad> can i use it even for pgorams that i didn't use it to install?
[07:35] <ygnome> angad: like?
[07:35] <neuro_> depends how you installed them
[07:35] <angad> firefox preview release
[07:35] <angad> i downloaded an installer file for firefox preview release and installed it into home
[07:35] <angad> home/angad
[07:35] <neuro_> i'd assume it has an uninstall script
[07:35] <angad> ok, ill check now
[07:36] <bob2> angad: don't install from tarballs into /usr...
[07:36] <neuro_> i've always installed firefox on linux using the distro's own version, not the static build from moz.org
[07:36] <angad> what is tarballs
[07:36] <neuro_> a tar archive
[07:36] <bob2> nevermind
[07:36] <Sensebend> compressed tars with source in them
[07:36] <angad> oh i see
[07:36] <neuro_> or a compressed tar archive, i.e. file.tar.gz, file.tar.bz2, etc
[07:36] <Sensebend> compressed with gzip or bzip2
[07:36] <angad> so with a compressed tar file, how am i supposed to install?
[07:36] <angad> where do i install it?
[07:36] <neuro_> angad: you've clearly already installed it :>
[07:37] <Sensebend> just run it
[07:37] <Sensebend> do you know what the path is you installed it to?
[07:38] <angad> yes sensebend, home/angad/firefox-installer
[07:38] <angad> there is a folder called firefox installer that has all the firefox files in it
[07:38] <|progenic|> anybody, how can i play my mp3 from the music player ? it says that i dun have the plugin
[07:38] <neuro_> sounds like a FAQ to me
[07:38] <bob2> |progenic|: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <angad> also, what is the icon for an eecutable file?  is it a brown diamond with "sh" written on it?
[07:38] <bob2> |progenic|: (it's in the faq)
[07:38] <|progenic|> thx
[07:38] <WW> |progenic|: Maybe install gstreamer0.8-mad (or something like that)
[07:38] <Sensebend> |progenic|, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <neuro_> angad: that's a shell script
[07:39] <Sensebend> uncomment the lines regarding universal
[07:39] <Sensebend> and sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:39] <angad> neuro, i don't see any executiable files in the folder where i installed firefox.  i see the sh file called "firefox" which runs firefox if i click on it
[07:39] <angad> where are the executable files placed?
[07:39] <|progenic|> is the apt-get will make the shortcut of the program from my applications menu ?
[07:40] <neuro_> angad: i don't know, like i said i've never used the firefox binaries from moz.org
[07:40] <angad> oh i see, ok.
[07:40] <neuro_> i only ever download windows binaries from them
[07:40] <u_d>
[07:40] <neuro_> or older versions from browsers.evolt.org, and i rarely install stuff from there
[07:41] <WW> |progenic|: Depends on whether the package follows the standard for the desktop menu system. Some programs do, some don't.
[07:42] <WW> angad: Is there a README file somewhere in the stuff you downloaded?
[07:43] <neuro_> gawd bless 1 meg dsl
[07:43] <neuro_> (if you have much faster dsl, shurrup)
[07:44] <Sensebend> 3mbit cable
[07:44] <neuro_> gnar
[07:44] <angad> let me scheck WW
[07:44] <neuro_> at least i get 100 meg at the office :>
[07:45] <Sensebend> that must be nice
[07:45] <Sensebend> work lots of late hours
[07:45] <Sensebend> when no one else is in the office
[07:45] <Sensebend> ;)
[07:45] <neuro_> actually gigabit, but only 100 meg transit
[07:45] <neuro_> always someone in the office, 24/7 staffed datacentre :(
[07:45] <neuro_> hence i only dl pr0n at home ... erm, i mean research papers, yes, research stuff
[07:46] <neuro_> angad: looks like you'd be best off firing up a terminal window and typing
[07:46] <neuro_> ~/firefox-installer/firefox-installer
[07:46] <neuro_> and following the installation doobrie
[07:47] <neuro_> there's no readme, silly mozilla types
[07:48] <WW> Time to go. 'night all.
[07:48] <neuro_> nn ww
[07:49] <rsgill> hey, it seems that the ubuntu kernels have bootsplash support, but even if I start up with a framebuffer console, it doesn't seem to come up?  Anyone know more?
[07:49] <neuro_> man, i love 6Music at this time in the morning
[07:51] <|progenic|> since we don't have a root account, then how to set a root password ?
[07:51] <|progenic|> anybody ?
[07:51] <neuro_> sudo passwd
[07:52] <neuro_> or sudo su -    then do passwd
[07:52] <|progenic|> thx
[07:52] <joolz> |progenic|: generally if you want to do things like that you could enter a sudo rootshell with `sudo -s`
[07:53] <|progenic|> ic
[07:53] <neuro_> each to their own tho
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ you wouldn't need to do sudo su -
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ it would just be su -
[07:54] <Zindar> or "sudo su -" because $HOME and other stuff is better
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> su is a public command for all users
[07:54] <neuro_> not if you don't know the root password
[07:54] <Zindar> but you can't su if there is no root password
[07:54] <Zindar> but you can use sudo su -
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ in that case you 'sudo passwd root'
[07:54] <|progenic|> to tell the truth, ubuntu is great
[07:54] <|progenic|> i'm satisfied with it so far
[07:54] <FLeiXiuS> Indeed.
[07:54] <|progenic|> :)
[07:54] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: i've been using linux for years, it's ok I don't need a tutorial :>
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ Have I offended?
[07:55] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: not in the slightest, note the smiley at end of my last
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ just making sure :-)
[07:55] <neuro_> :)
[07:55] <neuro_> i usually do root stuff as root on my own boxen, but sudo on shared boxen to preserve the "whodunnit" trail
[07:56] <neuro_> woo, talking heads
[07:56] <FLeiXiuS> The bad part about ubuntu is the default user over SSH has a unencrypted password
[07:56] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: huh?
[07:56] <FLeiXiuS> so its always good to passwd your_username
[07:56] <neuro_> ssh *never* has unencrypted passwords
[07:57] <crimsun> ssh is not unenciphered.
[07:57] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ its plain text
[07:57] <FLeiXiuS> easily able to de-encrypt
[07:57] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: demonstrable proof?
[07:57] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: what are you referring to?
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> crimsun the first user created on ubuntu has an uncrpyted password
[07:58] <neuro_> how so?
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> That I do not know, i haven't checked the install process
[07:58] <neuro_> huh?
[07:58] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: incorrect. It is hashed with a salt and stored where appropriate in the passwd file.
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> But, I have tested it over SSH
[07:58] <neuro_> ssh DOES NOT perform password exchange in the clear
[07:59] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: how have you checked it precisely?
[07:59] <neuro_> ubuntu itself doesn't store user passwords in cleartext either
[07:59] <FLeiXiuS> of couse it wouldn't, that would be obsurd
[07:59] <neuro_> but you just said ...
[07:59] <FLeiXiuS> I just said that the password wasn't encrpted
[07:59] <neuro_> um
[07:59] <neuro_> ok, you've lost me
[07:59] <crimsun> FLeiXiuS: where is it unenciphered?
[07:59] <neuro_> and probably everyone else here :)
[07:59] <joolz> neuro_: yep :)
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> And that when you've hit SSH it encrypts it only over SSH, therefore its much more easier to obtain by a sniffer
[08:00] <neuro_> ok, go back to the start
[08:00] <|progenic|> on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx
[08:00] <neuro_> at what point are you seeing this and how did you observe it?
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> Instead of the password being double encrypted its encrypted once at the SSH layer
[08:00] <neuro_> "double encrypted"?
[08:00] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ encrypted by ssh and by passwd
[08:01] <neuro_> still lost me, dude
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> woosh
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> Its alright, sorry lol
[08:01] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: ah, you mean its only encrypted by ssh and you saw the password with a keylogger?
[08:01] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, precisely
[08:01] <neuro_> lol
[08:01] <|progenic|> on my fat32 there are 3 directories that showned with the lock key icon, and i cannot play movie that contains inside that directory, so how to solve this ? anybody ? thx
[08:02] <joolz> well, that's normal, it's not a ssh flaw
[08:02] <neuro_> name an OS that *doesn't* behave as you've observed ubuntu behaving
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> |progenic|, haven't u said that more then enough?
[08:02] <|progenic|> i think nobody have read it, sorry
[08:02] <joolz> if anyone has access to your cables and can snigg, you're not safe anymore
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, but im saying if you sudo passwd USER, then it would add another layer of encryptain
[08:02] <neuro_> |progenic|: i'd delete the movie, i'd wager it's a copyright violation and you shouldn't be watching it anyway :)
[08:02] <FLeiXiuS> |progenic|: chmod +x file
[08:03] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: how would it?
[08:03] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: not on fat32
[08:03] <joolz> neuro_: yeah, i'm curious too
[08:03] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, explain
[08:03] <neuro_> all running passwd with sudo would do is run it with root privilege
[08:03] <|progenic|> it's a fansubs
[08:03] <|progenic|> :P
[08:03] <|progenic|> anime
[08:03] <joolz> ok, i'll try to explain: "i really don't understand" :)
[08:03] <neuro_> it would still be susceptible to a local keylogger
[08:04] <|progenic|> all of them haven't been licenced
[08:04] <neuro_> |progenic|: i was only kidding, no need to explain yourself
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ ah i see where you are getting at,
[08:04] <|progenic|> it's a directory not a file that show the lock key
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> I was mis-comprehending what I was saying my self until I actually thought about it
[08:04] <joolz> neuro_: yes, like i said. that's why it's better to work with key files and not allow password logins
[08:04] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: aha? :)
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> lol
[08:04] <FLeiXiuS> yes
[08:04] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: i assure you that the password being sent in the ssh exchange would be encrypted strongly enough to survive repeated sniffs
[08:04] <joolz> s/\?/\!/
[08:05] <neuro_> joolz: mmm, ssh keys
[08:05] <neuro_> i (heart) em
[08:05] <joolz> but using keyfiles would also protect you from lan sniffers
[08:05] <FLeiXiuS> neuro_ I was taking it as, encypt the password locally then over ssh would provide more security
[08:05] <joolz> neuro_: yes
[08:05] <neuro_> oooh, apollo 440
[08:05] <neuro_> FLeiXiuS: no it wouldn't, how could it provide *more* security?
[08:05] <joolz> FLeiXiuS: no, if you want local security too, use ssh key files
[08:05] <FLeiXiuS> joolz, key files are very usefull, i have a mouth full of them for backup locations lol