[14:40] <MagicSponge> 80 minutes to go  till http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:02] <MagicSponge> 60 minutes to go till http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:10] <MagicSponge> 50 minutes till http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:21] <MagicSponge> 40 minutes to go till http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:22] <MagicSponge> HI belkinsa
[15:22] <belkinsa> o/ MagicSponge
[15:22] <MagicSponge> You still into the mozilla dev stuff ?
[15:23] <belkinsa> No, I never done any Mozilla dev stuff.  I'm making a call for those who are still in the team to see if their team info needs to be updated.
[15:24] <MagicSponge> belkinsa: Oh what projects are you into at the moment ?
[15:26] <belkinsa> Right now, it's mainly updating that Teams page.  My other ones are on the back burner since they all seem to deal with working with more than one other person.
[15:26] <MagicSponge> ok, coool
[15:26] <belkinsa> Unless you want to call approving applicants for their Membership a project, it's one of them.
[15:26] <MagicSponge> right-oh
[15:27] <belkinsa> This is who I am: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa
[15:32] <MagicSponge> right oh belkinsa . Thought you were this guy.
[15:32] <MagicSponge> http://benjaminkerensa.com/
[15:33] <belkinsa> Ah, i see.
[15:35] <MagicSponge> 25 minutes to go.
[15:37] <MagicSponge> belkinsa: Ohio hey ? Hows the weather ?
[15:38] <belkinsa> It's nice and sunny here right now
[15:40] <MagicSponge> Yeah, not bad here. We're getting a new ICT college here soon, in a couple of months.
[15:40] <MagicSponge> Apparently all microsoft though.
[15:40] <MagicSponge> The fools.
[15:41] <dragonbite> but you'll be able to put SQL Server and .NET on Linux
[15:41] <MagicSponge> maybe on my own. but not theirs.
[15:41] <dragonbite> live USB.... they'll never know ;)
[15:42] <MagicSponge> Ha!
[15:44]  * MagicSponge gets a cookie or three.
[15:45] <dragonbite> Girl Scout cookies?
[15:45] <dragonbite> I'm a "dealer" (of GS cookies)
[15:47] <MagicSponge> http://imgur.com/gallery/mM5odRS No kidding.
[15:50] <MagicSponge> 10 minute bell rings Bring BRING !
[15:51] <dragonbite> What about at the Oscars (or was it Grammy's?) ... $65,000 sales = 16,250 boxes! (meaning they only made $12,187 out of that)
[15:52] <MagicSponge> did they ?
[15:52] <MagicSponge> Wow.. that's a lot of cookies.
[15:53]  * MagicSponge takes his hat off to girl scouts.
[15:54] <dragonbite> Delivering the 300+/- sold last year took long enough! This year was a LOT lighter (~ 125)
[15:55] <MagicSponge> 5minutes to go ... get those questions in with QUESTION: at the front !
[15:57] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: When can I buy the MWC Ubuntu tablet ?
[15:58] <vitimiti> I don't even know what to ask, I'm overwhelmed by 16.04's upgrades already
[15:58] <MagicSponge> me too.
[15:59] <dragonbite> any special focus of this one (usually based on who is talking)?
[15:59] <MagicSponge> mariogrip is on apparently.
[15:59] <MagicSponge> this guy ... https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[16:00] <MagicSponge> I'm listening to the top-of-the-hour news right now. Anyone else ?
[16:01] <mhall119> hi everyone! we'll be starting the broadcast shortly, waiting for everybody to be ready
[16:01] <dragonbite> http://ubuntuonair.com/ isn't updated yet (still showing Juju)
[16:01] <MagicSponge> good news mhall119 good news.
[16:01] <MagicSponge> dragonbite: refresh !
[16:03] <mhall119> dragonbite: refresh the page, is it better now?
[16:03] <dragonbite> Yes it is up with the live event starting in a few moments
[16:03] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What are your thoughts on the twitter feed: https://twitter.com/TrumpOnLinux   (?)
[16:04] <dpm> we'll be live in a bit, bear with us :)
[16:04] <MagicSponge> k
[16:04] <MagicSponge> :)
[16:05] <MagicSponge> refresh everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpZsjnaCSHU
[16:06] <dragonbite> I didn't do the scope contest... I'm a "scope creep" ;)
[16:06] <MagicSponge> mhall119: Thankyou for not running 'the fan'.
[16:06] <mhall119> :-)
[16:07] <dragonbite> soooooo long ago ;)
[16:08] <MagicSponge> t'was
[16:08] <mhall119> it does feel like longer than a month
[16:09] <dragonbite> QUESTION: in the ubucon in Germany, is English spoken? (sorry, dumb question ...)
[16:10] <Guest63139> QUESTION: Hope you have already read about microsoft patent related to convergence style technology. I wish know how will it affect Ubuntu and Ubuntu users in the future? What is canonical doing to resolve the problems because of this patent, if there will be any?
[16:12] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Thoughts on MS SQL Server running on Linux (as well as .NET) and can Linux play nice with Active Directory(AD)?
[16:13] <Guest63139> QUESTION: MJ technology is launching ubuntu tablet. However, I have seen any online response from Ubuntu team. Do you think this tablet doesn't worth promoting? :)
[16:13] <dpm> https://twitter.com/devops_jesus
[16:15] <dpm> I'm going to answer the next question that I see coming:
[16:15] <dpm> no, Microsoft is not buying Canonical :-)
[16:16] <gr33nbits> heias
[16:16] <dpm> o/
[16:17] <gr33nbits> yeh agreed
[16:18] <popey> woooah
[16:18] <popey> that mj tablet wants $2.5M https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/716fr1
[16:19] <mhall119> https://ubports.com/
[16:19] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Is bitcoin accepted on ubports ?
[16:19] <dpm> Marius should take a picture of all his phones :)
[16:20] <MagicSponge> popey: MJackson never died.
[16:20] <dragonbite> sounds great that he's getting donations to develop on!
[16:21] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Can we work on the ubports wiki ?
[16:22] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What phones will ubports not port ? #Winblows , #iphone etc etc ....
[16:22] <belkinsa> I like that quote, "Be a team and work together". :D
[16:23] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Is the money, as in suggested donations, just to buy the phones/tablets for porting or to do the work as well ?
[16:23] <MagicSponge> Where does the money go, I guess.
[16:24] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubports.com/ and https://forums.ubports.com/
[16:25] <belkinsa_> https://launchpad.net/~ubports is the LP team
[16:26] <MagicSponge> cheers for that :)
[16:27] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What are the main sticking points with the FairPhone port ?
[16:30] <mhall119> keep the questions coming guys
[16:30] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Have you asked for Shuttleworth foundation for funding ? If not why not (?) as the asking prices are quite low.
[16:32] <gr33nbits> what phone is that?
[16:33] <mhall119> Fairphone 2
[16:33] <gr33nbits> ty
[16:33] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What is the app that mario *Wished* Ubuntu Touch had ?
[16:34] <belkinsa_> mhall119: why do you not use a case?
[16:35] <mhall119> never really liked cases really, I don't know why
[16:36] <belkinsa_> I see.
[16:40] <gr33nbits> QUESTION: What are the phone hardware requisites in terms of cpu and memory?
[16:40] <MagicSponge> "BoarderWars" I shall add it to the list: https://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/
[16:41] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What are the main changes in features with 16.04 ? please.
[16:42] <gr33nbits> Ok thank you.
[16:42] <gr33nbits> i see
[16:43] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: What's happening, I mean when is the deadline for the Ubuntu Free Showcase ? Or has it happened, already ?
[16:43] <MagicSponge> Also theres ubiquity.
[16:44] <dragonbite> QUESTION: is the Ubuntu phone going ot use the Gnome app that 16.04 is moving to?
[16:45] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: When is the next UOS (sorry if I missed this).
[16:46] <MagicSponge> yes, you mentioned that sorry.
[16:46] <balloons> MagicSponge, http://summit.ubuntu.com/ May 3rd to May 5th
[16:46] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1605/
[16:47] <MagicSponge> dpm, What kind of wine was dpm's lampshade before it became a lampshade ?
[16:47] <MagicSponge> ^QUESTION.
[16:47] <balloons> QUESTION: What is Marius's favorite hardware to have ported to?
[16:48] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: How do I convince my local government to go with Ubuntu ? What websites ?
[16:49] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: Where is the bug list for the Linux Kernel, because I can't find a bug list ?
[16:50] <MagicSponge> QUESTION: If you knew of a local Hackspace, would you go, at all ?
[16:51] <balloons> I think there are some slight tweaks needed indeed. ogra would have the status :-)
[16:51] <gr33nbits> hahaah nice question Marcus
[16:52] <gr33nbits> Marius*
[16:52] <dpm> MagicSponge, it's actually a soda bottle :)
[16:52] <MagicSponge> oh ok.
[16:52] <BobFromAccounts> QUESTION: Will the External Drives app be merged with the File Manager app at some point in the future?
[16:53] <balloons> QUESTION: Just wanted to make sure we toss out some love and thanks again for https://devices.ubports.com/!
[16:54] <BobFromAccounts> QUESTION: I recently watched a video of the side stage function working on the ubuntu tablet and was a little concerned as the larger left hand side app was partially hidden underneath the right hand side app just like with the settings app currently on a tablet . This seemed a bit daft and makes the left hand side app unusable as a third of it is obscured.  Is this the plan or will both apps adjust in size to be trul
[16:55] <dpm> https://insights.ubuntu.com/case-studies/
[16:55] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[16:55] <MagicSponge> cheers.
[17:02] <balloons> thanks for the q and a!
[17:03] <MagicSponge> great show guys !
[20:50] <waxmigs2902> help
[21:27] <MagicSponge> waxmigs2902: Wats up ?


[10:01] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:21] <rmg51> Morning
[13:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[15:18]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[21:10] <waltman> So there was some hot soldering action going on in my lab today. Everything was in flux.
[21:13] <teddy-dbear> on that note
[21:13] <waltman> heh
[21:14] <waltman> $labmate was lusting after the wxd2 at http://www.apexhandtools.com/weller/index.cfm
[21:20] <waltman> it's the one in the first image up top
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> rimshot
[21:23] <waltman> at least someone got it!
[21:25] <waltman> I'll be here all night.
[21:26] <waltman> They were fixing a prof's tv set.
[21:27] <ChinnoDog> I would have gotten it in high school. Etching circuit boards in school is fun.
[21:27] <waltman> Turned out to a design flaw in one of the circuit boards. They'd used under-rated capacitors. They pulled them and replaced them with bigger ones. Now it's working again!
[21:27] <waltman> SCIENCE!
[21:27] <waltman> I confess I've never soldered anything
[21:28] <ChinnoDog> It is pretty easy with the right tools
[21:30] <waltman> debugging it was the fun part, of course
[23:19]  * ChinnoDog wonders if Ubuntu Mobile will be better than http://linuxonandroid.org/
[23:20] <jedijf> time to say goodbye to my Treo BT headset - served me well
[23:21] <ChinnoDog> Jabra 250?
[23:22] <jedijf> http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/treo-650-wireless-headset.htm
[23:23] <jedijf> that was old one - new one is just cheapest they had at target - bt15 or something - seems to work well


[20:04] <StephenS> Hello, I need to speak with ubuntu group representative, regarding one channel which contain *ubuntu* namespace.
[20:05] <Fuchs> that would be people from the IRCC, just wait in here for one to unlurk
[20:05] <StephenS> ok
[20:05] <Fuchs> note that the namespace does not include *ubuntu*, but rather ubuntu-*  and a small amount of others.
[20:06] <StephenS> yeah ubuntu-*
[20:43] <hggdh> StephenS: what can we do for you?
[23:00] <StephenS> hggdh I need a channel registered under ubuntu-*
[23:00] <StephenS> may i pm u?
[23:19] <IdleOne> StephenS: I can help you if you like
[23:23] <StephenS> IdleOne I can PM you?
[23:23] <IdleOne> sure
[23:31] <IdleOne> Pricey: if you got a minute could you transfer #ubuntu-balkan to UbuntuIRCCouncil please
[23:32] <Pricey> IdleOne: I'm afraid I can't verify you as an Ubuntu GC currently.
[23:32] <IdleOne> you should be able to now
[23:33] <IdleOne> unless you require more than ident to the account?
[23:33] <Pricey> IdleOne: I'm afraid not. Did you guys email groups@ about the updates?
[23:33] <IdleOne> I'll have to ask AlanBell or Pici to do that
[23:33] <Pici> Pricey: Can you #ubuntu-balkan to UbuntuIRCCouncil please
[23:34] <Pricey> They may have already and I don't realise... but if they haven't then yes, I'd get them to.
[23:34] <Pici> I think we forgot to do that
[23:34] <Pricey> Pici: IdleOne: Done.
[23:34] <IdleOne> thanks Pici :)
[23:34] <IdleOne> thank you Pricey
[23:35] <Pricey> No problem. I'm going to disappear in 30 seconds so give me a poke if there's anything else you could do with.
[23:37] <IdleOne> what flags would StephenS need to be able to add ops to acl?
[23:37] <IdleOne> +votiA enough?
[23:37] <StephenS> Wait, I'm not getting a founder status?
[23:37] <Unit193> IdleOne: Add ops? +f at least
[23:38] <StephenS> All others ubuntu-rs *-hr have founders, and it's not Ubuntu GC
[23:39] <IdleOne> thanks Unit193
[23:51] <Pricey> IdleOne: "/msg chanserv help flags" is very very useful.
[23:51] <IdleOne> Pricey: :/
[23:52] <IdleOne> why you gotta be so helpful
[23:52] <Pricey> IdleOne: In short, +F grants all. Otherwise, +f allows you to grant/remove flags you have except you can't modify the flags of users who have flags which you lack.
[23:53] <IdleOne> Pricey: I knew that. sometimes my brain forgets the things it knows and defaults to "ask IRC!"


[00:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you have to install pkgbinarymangler for that akonadi  issue to arrise
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> aah, right
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> so I'd assume it's a binarymangler bug? It worked in the past and the whole symlink situation has been there for a while
[00:51] <Riddell> it may be dh_strip
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> true
[00:51] <Riddell> or even "strip"
[00:54] <Riddell> strip --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note --strip-unneeded debian/akonadi-server/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi   fails
[01:00] <Riddell> dunno why but it doesn't like the file being owned by root
[01:00] <Riddell> I'm not sure why we do that hard linking anyway instead of just a copy
[01:03] <Riddell> it would need to do a hard link in the postinst for it to actually remain  a hard link
[01:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if you're still around, would you mind sponsoring bug 416077?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> once the archive reorg comes around, I can stop bugging people for uploads :D
[11:27] <ghostcube> hi
[11:30] <ghostcube> does anybody know who is managing launchpad i have a problem
[11:31] <ghostcube> with my accounts i haver created silly as i am 2 accounts with the same username
[11:31] <Riddell> #launchpad
[11:34] <ghostcube> thx
[11:53] <davmor3> Riddell: once installed I get the config button appearing over ublog even though I've configured it
[11:56] <Riddell> davmor3: ok, report a bug and I'll look at it at some point
[11:56] <ghostcube> thx Riddell worked fine
[11:58] <davmor3> Riddell: Ah hang on there is a bunch of update the live fs must be behind again
[11:58] <Riddell> seele: do you have an opinion on how the kpackagekit "install" and "uninstall" buttons should work?
[11:59] <Riddell> foomatic-db: Recommends: cjet but it is not installable
[11:59] <Riddell> naaching printing breaks again
[11:59] <davmor3> Riddell: yeap livefs manifest reads 20090817 so there might of been a fix already in.  I'll wait to file till the iso is up-to-date
[12:07] <davmor2> Riddell: is the behaviour for the notification applet to only notify once from an application.  Using bonjour I pinged myself and that appeared in a popup. however when I continued to type that didn't appear even though the chat window still didn't have focus.  The icon for kopete is spining.  Is this correct behaviour?
[12:09] <Riddell> davmor2: yes I think that's the current kopete behavious
[12:09] <Riddell> behaviour
[12:09] <Riddell> hopefully message indicator patches will appear to make it use the message indicator
[12:10] <davmor2> Riddell: okay that's alright then.  Should quassel also use the m-i?
[12:10] <Riddell> not yet
[12:10] <Riddell> only konversation for now
[12:11] <Riddell> I've patches for kmail too but they're waiting on a libindicate update
[12:12] <davmor3> Riddell: okay I might have a look at that after.  Shutting down kopete with bonjour on has once again closed pidgin on jaunty.  That could get annoying :)
[12:13] <Riddell> pidgin crashed?
[12:16] <davmor3> Riddell: just checking if it crashed now but it looks like it just got shut
[12:17] <Riddell> iz gnome bug :)
[12:21] <davmor2> I'll try it with empathy on another system and see if it has the same issue
[12:52] <Lure> Riddell: remind me: do we preffer to use upstream tarball as-is (no recompress/change pathanmes) or do we care about warnings like this:
[12:53] <Riddell> and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why pastebins are a good thing :)
[12:55] <a|wen-dtu> haha, true :)
[12:58] <Riddell> Lure: pastebin this time?
[13:00] <Lure> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/256308/
[13:01]  * Lure needs some IRC proxy somewhere :-(
[13:07] <Riddell> Lure: use upstream tar as is
[13:07] <Riddell> there's no need to change the top level directory name in a tar the tools can handle that fine
[13:07]  * ryanakca hopes that Kobby's upstream is only on vacation and hasn't vanished... no commits to Kobby for over two weeks... :/
[13:08] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[13:45] <smarter_> hmm, I just launched Arora as usual and a notification asked me to install some extra packages(libtunepimp5-mp3, libk3b6-extracodecs and flash), is that really intended?
[13:46] <jjesse> aren't those the restricted-extras
[13:46] <Riddell> smarter_: yes, most people want flash
[13:46] <smarter_> I'm okay with flash, but the two others are Amarok stuff
[13:46] <smarter_> and K3B
[13:47] <Riddell> oh it just suggests all the kubuntu-restricted-extras packages you don't have installed
[13:47] <smarter> here, it can make the user think that these packages are actually used by Arora
[13:47] <Riddell> chances are if you can put up with flash you can put up with mp3
[13:47] <smarter> and it crashed before installing anything too
[13:47] <Riddell> uh oh
[13:48]  * smarter gets the traceback from the crash file
[13:48] <jjesse> it worked fine for me last night
[13:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kpackagekit uploaded
[13:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you're fed up waiting for archive re-org you could always apply for main hint hint
[13:50] <smarter> http://pastebin.com/m159c7ab8
[13:50] <Riddell> wibble, no idea what's going on there
[13:51] <Riddell> smarter: please report on launchpad to install-package
[13:51] <smarter> python-apt code is confusing
[13:51] <smarter> okay
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Sweetness, KDE4 integration for OOo hit
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh oh oh?
[14:34] <Riddell> where?
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> karmic proper, install openoffice.org-kde
[14:35] <rgreening> yay.
[14:35] <rgreening> we need to ensure openoffice.org-kde gets installed if ooo is installed then by default.
[14:36] <rgreening> kpk still busted
[14:36] <Riddell> rgreening: how so?
[14:37] <rgreening> Riddell: try updating and then run kpk and update.. some error about _dict missing in aptBackend.py
[14:38] <Riddell> oh glatzor's fault then, not kpackagekit itself :)
[14:39] <rgreening> possibly
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> there's already a bug with about 3 dupes against packagekit
[14:39] <rgreening> ooo is ssssooooo purrty now!!!!!!!!
[14:39] <ghostcube>  openoffice.org-kde oO
[14:39] <rgreening> :)
[14:39] <ghostcube> even for jaunty ??
[14:40] <ghostcube> wait ... i have this installed already
[14:40] <Riddell> ooh this OO thing really works
[14:40] <ghostcube> :D
[14:40] <Riddell> yay for shtylman!
[14:40] <rgreening> ooo loads quicker on my netbook than my more powerful Laptop
[14:40] <rgreening> hahah
[14:40]  * JontheEchidna has a bunch of stuff what needs upgrading, so he hasn't seen the sexy yet
[14:41] <rgreening> oh, and yuriy too Riddell for the icon porting
[14:41] <rgreening> kicka$$ work :)
[14:42] <Riddell> mmm, pretty icons
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> the window sorta doesn't repaint when a file dialog is open
[14:43] <Riddell> the tab widget doesn't seem to be oxygen
[14:44] <rgreening> hmm.... File/Open doesn't default to a sensible default dir... and does some weird stuff
[14:44] <rgreening> hehe but look pretty
[14:45] <ryanakca> Anybody know if one can get a list of TODO translations for KDE apps without having to sort through https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+lang/fr ?
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: kgraphviewer is just about to the last item on the boost1.35 transition.  Any luck getting it to build?
[14:49] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't recall, did I try?
[14:50] <Riddell> oh yues it had some gcc issue didn't it
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> none of the right-click stuff in the file dialogs work :(
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> trash, delete, properties, etc
[15:06] <smarter> Riddell: I think the install-package thing for amarok/k3b/arora misses some sort of "don't ask me again" option
[15:07] <smarter> As I don't use Flash from the repo but instead use the beta 64bits version which I manually installed, I get asked about installing flash at every restart of Arora.
[15:09] <Riddell> smarter: yes I've been meaning to do that
[15:10] <Riddell> ideally arora would be more intelligent and ask only when it needed flash
[15:10] <smarter> yes, that'd be better
[15:11] <smarter> it already has a plugin(ClickToFlash) to detect flash and load it only when the user clicks on a button which replaces the flash object
[15:11] <smarter> not sure if that can be extended to popup a window
[15:12] <smarter> I'm not sure what's the best way to present the "don't ask me again" option, maybe add an "Ask me later" button ?
[15:17] <Riddell> ScottK: kgraphviewer uploaded
[15:20] <seele> Riddell: the icon clicky things like in the plasma widgets manager?
[15:21] <Riddell> seele: currently it's a down arror which gets coloured when you click on it
[15:21] <seele> hmm
[15:23] <Riddell> seele: it's changed since jaunty and I see the item on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo is marked Done so maybe problem solved
[15:23] <Riddell> although I think it needs a tool tip
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.  Thanks.
[15:25] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like openoffice.org-kde landed in Universe.  Any chance you could promote it?
[15:26] <Riddell> already done, waiting on publisher
[15:27] <ScottK> Kewl
[15:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Next on my list is a new snapshot of knetworkmanager.  Thoughts on that?
[15:31] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that would be good, wstephenson was asking for daily builds recently to stop him getting out of date bug reports
[15:43] <yuriy> thanks rgreening
[15:43]  * yuriy should really update a few more and commit the stuff sitting on my desktop
[15:44]  * rgreening agrees
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> anybody working on uncomplicating the amarok packaging yet?
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: mind if I do a sync request for libtag-extras? Debian's seems to be superior to ours
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> I don't really see anything different that we would want to give debian, it's mostly just doing things such as package descriptions differently
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, except the watch file
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> it's broken anyway, no loss
[16:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: go for it
[17:08] <davmor2> Riddell: arora is having ssl issues with planet.ubuntu.com
[17:10] <Riddell> davmor2: no problems here
[17:11] <davmor2> might be a first run thing it didn't happen the second time
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> oops, I notice a mistake in my akonadi merge
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> it's pulling in a whole mysql server again
[17:29]  * JontheEchidna adds the difference to KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES where it belonged
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/256432/
[17:34] <Tonio_> hi there ;)
[17:34] <Tonio_> any idea why do some python apps works and some other fail loading QtCore ?
[17:35] <Tonio_> with exactly the same code, and the code being in the same path ?
[17:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope, example?
[17:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: thanks, that was next on my todo list  :)
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: update-notifier-kde
[17:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: works for me
[17:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1536575
[17:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I run a fresh new install from this WE
[17:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/PyQt4/QtCore.so is on the disk
[17:41] <Tonio_> mffffffff
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: you probably have a different configuration than the default (or lett's say a new install...)
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 407418
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not the only one complaining afaics
[17:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: oh I'm running amd64....
[17:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's in  /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/ ?
[17:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: __init__.py  __init__.pyc  uic
[17:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's all I have
[17:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: link missing possibly ?
[17:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: try removing that directory
[17:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: works
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: python-kde4, python-qt4-common do provide this folder
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we fix the packages then ?
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the weird thing is that it only affects amd64 arch...
[17:55] <Riddell> yes  it  should be fixed
[17:55] <Riddell> I  doubt it only affects  amd64
[17:55] <Riddell> why  does  my  keyboard keep putting in  double spaces?
[17:55] <ScottK> Pressing it twice?
[17:55] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:56] <ScottK> I fixed the build-deps on kgraphviewer so it's building now.
[17:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum what wold be the good fix for this python thing ? simply drop the folder from the package ?
[18:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum python-kde4 the guilty afaics
[18:18] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think Debian was recently working that.  You might look if they have a fix.
[18:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: yep
[18:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: I was never able to understand how python install files...
[18:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: looks kdebindings the builty
[18:19] <Tonio_> guilty
[18:19] <ScottK> It's a bit complex due to the way we try to support multiple python versions.
[18:22] <Tonio_> yup
[18:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu_06_pykdeuic_install_path.diff
[18:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like the problem is w<ith your patch ;)
[18:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the problem is due to the fact you mention a patch in your last kdebindings upload, but it ain't there :)
[18:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: missing bzr add probably
[19:16] <maco> ooo! there's gonna be a Qt workshop in VA next month
[20:03] <seele> maco: sponsored by trolltech or someone else?
[20:04] <spstarr> hmm, #kubuntu-ca is empty :(
[20:05] <maco> ummm...
[20:05] <maco> ICS
[20:05] <maco> its called Qt Quickstart
[20:15] <spstarr> ryanakca: where are you in .ca?
[20:17] <ryanakca> spstarr: Kingston, Ontario.
[20:17] <spstarr> east of me :)
[20:17] <spstarr> yes
[20:17] <spstarr> you told me yesterday heh
[20:51] <Gon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/416614
[20:51] <Gon> Now I'm ussing pidgin :(
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> So the Debian doods are using the libmysqld-pic package for a mysqld.la compiled with -fpic. (I'm merging with Debian)
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> The only thing is that libmysqld-pic is in universe
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> which is a bit weird since the rest of the source package is in main
[22:37] <Riddell> I can move it then
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> ok, cool
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> the merge just needs a bit of polishing and it'll be done too
[22:39] <Riddell> moved to main, will be there in an hour or so
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> looks like packagekit needs a rebuild for the new python-apt
[23:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: peter from dooble is poking me again, did you get anywhere with packaging?
[23:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: I told him you'd do it this weekend, I get the impression he'll be very disappointed if you don't :)
[23:36] <Riddell> policykit-kde is history, now merged into kdebase-workspace
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[23:43] <Riddell> glatzor: incase you care,  policykit-kde is history, now merged into kdebase-workspace
[23:45] <glatzor> Riddell, hello. sorry, but what is the kdebase-workspace?
[23:45] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti mentioned that polciykit-1 support will land soon
[23:45] <glatzor> Riddell, do you have got any plans about this?
[23:46] <Riddell> glatzor: one of the main KDE packages, KDE 4.3 includes policykit-kde as part of its release
[23:46] <glatzor> great
[23:46] <Riddell> glatzor: yes I see him and people from fedora are looking into it
[23:46] <glatzor> it is also used by other native kde applications?
[23:46] <Riddell> kpackagekit and k3b I think are the only ones that use it
[23:49] <Riddell> glatzor: there's some code in branch for kde polkit 1.0, do you have 1.0 packages somewhere I can test it against?
[23:49] <glatzor> not yet. I was focusing on fixing bugs in the 0.4.x branch
[23:50] <Riddell> dantti was saying he couldn't get polkit 1.0 working on debian and this was blocking him from working on it
[23:50] <glatzor> Riddell, perhaps I will nag you tomorrow about an upload sponsorship
[23:50] <Riddell> aren't you a core-dev yet? :)
[23:51] <glatzor> I am not even a motu :)
[23:51]  * DAskreech laughs
[23:51] <DAskreech> I love FOSS
[23:52] <DAskreech> When being a master of the universe is considered lower rung
[23:52] <yuriy> Riddell: that SoC stuff for policykit kde is just trunk/4.4 right?
[23:52] <Riddell> yuriy: what soc stuff?
[23:55] <yuriy> kde authorization library
[23:55] <yuriy> prebuilt buttons and kcm functions for policy kit
[23:59] <shtylman> Riddell: yea...never got around to the tab :(


[02:42] <stalcup> when is 4.5.5 released?
[02:42] <stalcup> and hello!
[02:46] <Daskreech> stalcup: Now! And Hi!
[02:46] <Daskreech> well not now now but soon :)
[02:47] <stalcup> I was just too lazy to look it up!
[02:47] <stalcup> thanks Daskreech
[02:49] <Daskreech> http://www.kubuntu.org
[02:49] <Daskreech> that's pretty easy
[02:52] <stalcup> Daskreech: that's for 4.6 RC
[02:52] <stalcup> :'(
[02:52] <Daskreech> 4.5.5 would be announced there as well
[02:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: Where do I find your sip package?
[02:53] <Daskreech> pretty easy to check
[02:53] <stalcup> you are much smartr than I Daskreech
[02:54] <yofel> well, 4.5.5 is somewhat released since it's in the updates ppa, Riddell_ just wasn't on his usual pc so couldn't write the announcement
[02:55] <stalcup> darn, 4.5.5 was done very well IMO
[02:58]  * yofel is off to bed, 4am...
[02:58] <stalcup> nini
[02:58] <stalcup> 8pm here
[03:02] <stalcup> eat vmware
[03:07] <Daskreech> Not very tasty
[04:57] <stalcup> it is tastly dastly
[10:41] <kshadeslayer> oic
[10:41] <ulysses> n
[10:41] <kshadeslayer> yofel: it was my fault ....
[10:41] <kshadeslayer> that kdepim wasnt building
[10:43] <kshadeslayer> interesting ... no akonadi 1.4.91
[11:12] <kshadeslayer> do i need to include /usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix-debian.cmake
[11:12] <kshadeslayer> we already have usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiConfig.cmake
[11:13] <kshadeslayer> yofel: around?
[11:14] <yofel_> yes, not for long though
[11:15] <kshadeslayer> any ideas about  /usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix-debian.cmake
[11:15] <kshadeslayer> and  /usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix.cmake
[11:16] <kshadeslayer> fedora has them ...
[11:16] <yofel> kshadeslayer: neon too, so our akonadi is too old I guess
[11:17] <yofel>  /opt/project-neon/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix.cmake
[11:17] <kshadeslayer> well ... neon installs everything :P
[11:17] <yofel> then look at the package, I didn't touch repos akonadi yet :P
[11:17] <kshadeslayer> yofel: im packaging 1.4.95 .. so thats why im asking
[11:18] <kshadeslayer> im adding them
[11:51] <markey> Riddell: kgnomelogger: the VLC issue with the file selector is still there
[11:51] <markey> takes ages to open
[12:04] <Xand3r> moin
[12:05] <Xand3r> kgnomelogger: ping
[12:26]  * kgnomelogger just got up
[12:26] <kgnomelogger> Xand3r: lo
[12:27] <kgnomelogger> markey: did you talk to dfaure?
[12:27] <kgnomelogger> surely he would know why
[12:27] <kgnomelogger> strange is that qtcreator opens in no time
[12:28] <markey> no
[12:28] <markey> I doubt he uses VLC
[12:28] <markey> he is pretty old skool
[12:28] <markey> uses a TV or so
[12:28] <markey> kgnomelogger: maybe ask Jim Beam?
[12:38] <apachelogger> markey: well, it is not about VLC, I would expect some Qt->KDE compability issue
[12:39] <apachelogger> as VLC would use the qt file selector but KDE somehow hooks into that and makes it use KDE's
[12:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger: do you have some time?
[12:39] <apachelogger> that is part of the magic I do not understand on this planet
[12:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I always have time, the question is just for what? making luv in front of the fire place?
[12:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm not with me
[12:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: for some qt lesson
[12:41]  * apachelogger looks at Nightrose
[12:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: are we making the button blue?
[12:48] <markey> apachelogger: but, as you seed, Creator works fine...
[12:48] <markey> uses the same thing
[12:48] <markey> said*
[12:48] <apachelogger> yeah, well
[12:48] <apachelogger> you could gdb vlc
[12:48] <markey> hem
[12:48] <apachelogger> and then step through the affected code
[12:49] <markey> yeah, sounds real fun
[12:49] <markey> Jim Beam could do that
[12:49] <apachelogger> he is using debian
[12:49] <markey> hm
[12:49] <apachelogger> until he gets KDE 4.6 it will be the year 2024 or so
[12:49] <markey> isn't that almost hte same?
[12:49] <markey> ah
[12:49] <markey> yeah
[12:49] <markey> true enough
[12:50] <apachelogger> markey: btw, @reality looks scary
[12:50] <markey> apachelogger: no shit.
[12:50] <markey> he also talks a lot of nonense
[12:50] <markey> I don't get why everyone replies to him
[12:51] <apachelogger> because he has a fancy name
[12:51] <markey> good point
[12:51] <markey> it sounds far cooler than "markey"
[12:51] <markey> I could be "unreality" or so
[12:51] <markey> "@truth"
[12:52] <markey> the @truith said: Fedora sucks.
[12:52] <markey> truth even
[12:52] <markey> it could be cool
[12:56] <kshadeslayer> oh
[12:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah there, k3b autoresolved
[12:56] <apachelogger> magically
[12:56] <kshadeslayer> someone else than me is having vlc issues
[12:56] <apachelogger> I wonder if anyone annoyed upstream and called them names
[12:56] <apachelogger> kshadeslayer: dude
[12:56] <kshadeslayer> lol ^^
[12:56] <apachelogger> backlog!
[12:56] <kshadeslayer> what
[12:57] <kshadeslayer> ok
[12:57] <kshadeslayer> gdb ftw
[12:57] <apachelogger> good fun stepping
[12:57] <kshadeslayer> i think its a hal issue
[12:57] <kshadeslayer> wait ... lemme check if i have hal
[12:57] <apachelogger> it is like step dance
[12:57] <apachelogger> just less dancy and more steppy
[12:57] <kshadeslayer> kdepim takes insane amounts of time to build :(
[12:57] <apachelogger> kshadeslayer: why would it be a hal issue?!?!!?!?!?
[12:58] <kshadeslayer> apachelogger: errr .. people reported that after removing hal file dialogs became faster
[12:58] <apachelogger> curious
[12:59] <kshadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/552154
[12:59] <apachelogger> dud
[12:59] <apachelogger> you start gdb
[12:59] <apachelogger> set a break point
[12:59] <kshadeslayer> how? :P http://paste.ubuntu.com/552155
[12:59] <apachelogger> and then step onwards from that :P
[13:00] <apachelogger> find out what function calll0rs it
[13:00]  * kshadeslayer reads gdb man page
[13:00] <kshadeslayer> ah
[13:00] <kshadeslayer> break....
[13:01] <apachelogger> oy vey
[13:01] <kshadeslayer> but how do i know which function calls the filedialog?
[13:01] <kshadeslayer> also ... should i install vlc-dbg?
[13:02] <apachelogger> yus
[13:02] <kshadeslayer> ok
[13:02] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/597216
[13:03]  * kshadeslayer just watched Despicable me
[13:03] <apachelogger> sing me a song
[13:03] <apachelogger> lalalla
[13:03] <apachelogger> it just breaks translation in KDE
[13:03] <apachelogger> ahahahahah
[13:03] <apachelogger> no one gives a shit
[13:03] <apachelogger> hahahahaha
[13:03]  * apachelogger goes to fedora
[13:03] <kshadeslayer> heh ^^
[13:03]  * kshadeslayer shoots plasma at fedoralogger
[13:04] <fedoralogger> that is no fun business
[13:04] <fedoralogger> every fcking pyth0rn app we have appears with untranslated name in my menu
[13:04] <fedoralogger> this is about as shitty UX as it gets
[13:08] <kshadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/552156 << interesting
[13:17] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: where do i set the break point?
[13:17] <fedoralogger> dunno
[13:17] <fedoralogger> look at the vlc code
[13:19] <kshadeslayer> :S
[13:34] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: i suppose OpenDialogs in vlc-1.1.4/modules/gui/qt4/qt4.cpp
[13:38] <kshadeslayer> hmm no ...
[13:46] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=85408&p=282713&hilit=file+dialog#p282713
[13:51] <fedoralogger> kshadeslayer: qtcreator works
[13:51] <fedoralogger> it is more likely that vlc does funny things to Qt
[13:52] <kshadeslayer> oh crap
[13:52] <kshadeslayer> i think i have that shitty course again
[13:53] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: ive been forced to use the Borland compiler for over 2 semesters now
[13:53] <kshadeslayer> im not taking that course agin :|
[13:53] <kshadeslayer> *again
[13:54] <kshadeslayer> what the ...
[13:54] <kshadeslayer> Module callbacks << 0.o
[13:57] <fedoralogger> kshadeslayer: ?
[13:58] <fedoralogger> what is wrong with moduel callbacks?
[13:58] <kshadeslayer> err... what happened to signals and slots?
[13:58] <kshadeslayer> i thought they are designed to replace callbacks
[13:58] <fedoralogger> a)
[13:58] <fedoralogger> not all languages have signals and slots :P
[13:58] <fedoralogger> b) signals and slots require an eventloop
[13:59] <fedoralogger> c) thus create a bit of an overhead
[13:59] <kshadeslayer> oic
[13:59] <fedoralogger> see how signal and slots are two words and callback is only one :P
[14:00] <kshadeslayer> hahaha
[14:06] <kshadeslayer> im taking a break... KDE PIM compiling
[14:16] <ari-tczew> is around anybody with natty?
[14:17] <ari-tczew> I have an issue - I can choice only 2 types of keyboard - US and Afghanistan
[14:28] <kshadeslayer> ari-tczew: yeah ... its a dpkg bug .. :P
[14:28] <kshadeslayer> it makes you choose which language ... and a key to trigger it etc
[14:30] <ari-tczew> kshadeslayer: masacre
[14:30] <kshadeslayer> yeah
[14:33] <kshadeslayer> ari-tczew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552178
[14:33] <kshadeslayer> what the
[14:33] <kshadeslayer> ari-tczew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552179
[14:35] <ari-tczew> kshadeslayer: cjwatson seems to be pretty nervous about that case
[14:35] <kshadeslayer> yeah :D
[14:40] <fedoralogger> you people are all to nervous
[14:40] <fedoralogger> look at me
[14:40] <fedoralogger> I broke my entire phonon stack
[14:40] <fedoralogger> and yet I am not nervous
[14:40] <fedoralogger> even though I want to release in 10 days
[14:52] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: lol
[14:52] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: what the heck is happening ... you have back to back releases in like .. 3 weeks
[14:52] <kshadeslayer> phonon is the new KDE
[14:53] <fedoralogger> as you might know, before kubuntu I was release manager :P
[14:53] <fedoralogger> therefore I am very keen on releasing new awesomeness all the time
[14:53] <kshadeslayer> no i dont ^^ :P
[14:53] <fedoralogger> also it increases the chances of making sweet luv in front of the fire place
[14:53] <kshadeslayer> ah .. so thats why KDE 4.1-4.4 had so many releases :P
[14:53] <kshadeslayer> i mean .. so many back to back releases :D
[14:54]  * fedoralogger doesnt do kde releaeses
[14:54] <fedoralogger> :P
[14:54] <fedoralogger> dirk doesnt let me do it
[14:55] <kshadeslayer> ^^ else we would be on 5.5 till now
[14:55] <kshadeslayer> and debian would be on KDE 4.5
[14:55] <fedoralogger> no
[14:55] <fedoralogger> debian would be on 4.1 :P
[14:55] <kshadeslayer> hahaha
[14:55] <kshadeslayer> if it were debians way ... they would stick to 3.x series :P
[14:58] <kshadeslayer> flippin kalarm deps on kdelibs 4.6.40
[14:58] <kshadeslayer> :|
[14:58] <kshadeslayer> whai oh whai ..
[15:01] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: do you how rekonq used to show tab previews previously? like detect which tab is being hovered over
[15:02] <fedoralogger> no
[15:02] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/rekonq/repository/revisions/914b0c1c0d2440bee0675ef9b77bad9d40630903/diff/src/tabbar.cpp
[15:02] <fedoralogger> /dev/urandom?
[15:02] <kshadeslayer> heh
[15:02] <kshadeslayer> a while loop :P
[15:02]  * fedoralogger blinks
[15:02]  * fedoralogger blinks more
[15:02]  * fedoralogger is blind
[15:02] <fedoralogger> aaahhhh
[15:02] <fedoralogger> I am blind
[15:02] <fedoralogger> I shall never code again
[15:02] <fedoralogger> oh noes
[15:02] <fedoralogger> Xand3r: you will have to carry on my legacy
[15:02] <kshadeslayer> no more phonon releases? :(
[15:02] <fedoralogger> kshadeslayer:  made my blind
[15:03] <fedoralogger> ahhh
[15:03] <fedoralogger> what shall  I do
[15:03] <fedoralogger> oh noes
[15:03] <Xand3r> fedoralogger: what?
[15:03] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: its all fixed now ;)
[15:06]  * fedoralogger starts crying
[15:07]  * fedoralogger pours himself some baileys and makes a schedule for today
[15:14] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: now you can cry even more : http://pastebin.com/U8Bw1Ewc
[15:18]  * fedoralogger overwrote some of his streaming code yesterday
[15:18] <fedoralogger> and I did not ocmmit
[15:18] <fedoralogger> that is plenty to cry about right there
[15:20] <kshadeslayer> heh
[15:20] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: QNetworkReply::ContentNotFoundError should cover 404 errors right?
[15:29] <fedoralogger> dunno
[15:30] <fedoralogger> see documentation
[15:30] <fedoralogger> QNetworkReply::ContentNotFoundError	203	the remote content was not found at the server (similar to HTTP error 404)
[15:37] <Xand3r> sheytan: ping
[15:38] <sheytan> Xand3r hey :)
[15:38] <sheytan> going to start mocking up (is that right in english?) :D
[15:38] <Xand3r> dont know
[15:38] <Xand3r> english is not my strength
[15:39] <sheytan> first lets design the chat window
[15:39] <Xand3r> sheytan: yea
[15:42] <sheytan> Xand3r first at all, imho "all in one" widow suck :D
[15:42] <sheytan> i  mean a chat + contact list window
[15:42] <Xand3r> sheytan: no its realy cool
[15:43] <sheytan> Xand3r if you wish you can develop one, but i personally think it's really no need for that :)
[15:43] <Xand3r> quassel has one window, so you think quassel sucks?
[15:44] <Xand3r> but go on tell me your idea sheytan
[15:45] <sheytan> Xand3r you don't have a chat window that big as you have in quassel, you don't use contact list that often, quassel contact list doesn't take that much space as kopete's :P
[15:46] <Xand3r> ok go on
[15:48] <sheytan> Xand3r startin a qtdesigner project :)
[15:48] <Xand3r> you or me?
[15:55] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: looks like it
[15:58]  * Xand3r goes sleeping an hour
[15:59] <sheytan> Xand3r me :)
[16:03] <kshadeslayer> fedoralogger: KDE PIM is broken...
[16:03] <kshadeslayer> cannot be packaged
[16:03] <fedoralogger> so is phonono
[16:03] <kshadeslayer> it's missing doc files
[16:03] <kshadeslayer> so
[16:03] <kshadeslayer> will wait for fix ...
[16:10] <stalcup> kshadeslayer: just uplaod te fix
[16:10] <stalcup> no one will notice
[16:10] <kshadeslayer> stalcup: there is none right now ... its missing docbooks and depends on kdelibs 4.6.40 ....
[16:10] <kshadeslayer> hehe
[16:10] <kshadeslayer> the guy managing the KDE PIM release says to wait :)
[16:11] <stalcup> ah, smart chap
[16:11] <kshadeslayer> Keep in mind that I am working on a fixed version of beta4. Hopefully will have it out sometime today.
[16:11] <kshadeslayer> Allen Winter ^^
[16:11] <stalcup> woo hooo
[16:14] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[16:14] <sheytan> i mean, fedoralogger :D
[16:14] <kshadeslayer> hehe :D
[16:24] <fedoralogger> huh
[16:24] <fedoralogger> sheytan: yus?
[16:28] <sheytan> fedoralogger http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/814/kopete.png
[16:28] <sheytan> Xand3r http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/814/kopete.png
[16:29] <sheytan> just a start :)
[16:29] <sjkwizard> hi all. Anyone know how to use KAuth in a pykde application? There is no documentation at all about that
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> http://twitter.com/timmartin2/status/23365017839599616#
[16:37] <yofel> :D
[16:46] <fedoralogger> sheytan: a bit unfancy, no?
[16:59] <sheytan> fedoralogger how to make a IM app fancy? :D
[17:00] <fedoralogger> dunno
[17:00] <fedoralogger> fancy graphic or some shit
[17:00] <ulysses> Why suggets K3b a package that doesn't exist?
[17:00] <fedoralogger> sheytan: also never liked the idea of not having pictures in the contact list
[17:01] <fedoralogger> sheytan: doesnt feel personal enough
[17:01] <fedoralogger> that would be just like irc :P
[17:01] <yofel> ulysses: probably existed once, or exists/existed in debian
[17:01] <fedoralogger> if I am doing cybersex I would like to see whom with :P
[17:03] <ulysses> yofel: you're right, k3b-i18n exists in Debian, but not in Kubuntu
[17:21] <kshadeslayer> omg ... a phonon release is on the way \o/
[17:21] <phononlogger> ok, it is pretty settled
[17:21] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: I would be releaselogger then
[17:21] <kshadeslayer> i wonder if kubuntu will have it .... or open Suse ... or fedora
[17:21]  * phononlogger is moving to the inner city in march or so
[17:21] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: ah
[17:22] <phononlogger> away from this rotten place without party people
[17:22]  * phononlogger hugs Nightrose
[17:22] <phononlogger> also I shall throw a party some time
[17:22] <phononlogger> first round at fosdem is on me or some stuff like that
[17:23] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: you do remember this channel is logged
[17:23] <kshadeslayer> now you cannot run away :D
[17:23] <kshadeslayer> sheytan: pokety poke
[17:23]  * Nightrose hugs phononlogger
[17:23] <phononlogger> who cares
[17:23] <sheytan> kshadeslayer what's up?
[17:24]  * phononlogger should apply for work at canonical
[17:24] <phononlogger> then canonical can pay :P
[17:24] <kshadeslayer> sheytan: we haz meeting in 10 mins in #rekonq
[17:24] <phononlogger> also mark would surely force me into working on glib
[17:24] <phononlogger> this would actually be pretty neat
[17:24] <kshadeslayer> care to show us the mock ups
[17:24] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: yeah .. then you can insert malicious stuff into glib causing it to crash and make qt supreme
[17:24] <sheytan> we haz means you already had? :D
[17:25] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: insert?
[17:25] <phononlogger> is that needed? :P
[17:25] <phononlogger> also that would screw with Qt
[17:25] <kshadeslayer> lol
[17:25] <phononlogger> your Qt is using glib
[17:25] <phononlogger> in case you did not know :P
[17:25] <kshadeslayer> sheytan: no it starts in 8 mins
[17:25] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: yeah i know .... glib event loops inside qt
[17:25] <kshadeslayer> how i hate that
[17:25] <sheytan> kshadeslayer will upload them :)
[17:26] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: you are invited to come and rant about rekonq in #rekonq
[17:26] <phononlogger> no time
[17:26] <phononlogger> I am having cybersex with kubotu
[17:27] <kshadeslayer> ah
[18:46] <rbelem> sheytan, ping
[18:46] <sheytan> rbelem yo
[18:47] <rbelem> sheytan, how was party? :)
[18:47] <sheytan> rbelem great, thanks :D
[18:49] <rbelem> sheytan, do you have the mockup already for filesharing
[18:49] <sheytan> rbelem still the old one, did you see it?
[18:51] <sheytan> rbelem http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4264/filesharingh.png
[18:53] <sheytan> to all: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/01/rekonq-strona-startowa-rekonq-start.html :D
[18:55] <rbelem> sheytan, i saw that :)
[18:56] <rbelem> sheytan, but we have to remove some features for now
[18:56] <sheytan> rbelem yeah, i know, i just didn't do anything more yet :)
[18:56] <sheytan> with that mock
[18:58] <rbelem> sheytan, but we have to remove some features for now :)
[18:58] <rbelem> ops
[18:59] <rbelem> damn android irc client
[18:59] <phononlogger> skype anyone?
[19:00] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: i haz skype ... but why? :P
[19:00] <rbelem> phononlogger, rbelem
[19:00] <Xand3r> sheytan: looks interesting
[19:00] <phononlogger> we are having a nice session
[19:00] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: id
[19:00] <kshadeslayer> with whom?
[19:00] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: dude .. im in your contacts
[19:01] <phononlogger> Mamarok:  markey me for now
[19:01] <rbelem> sheytan, could you update tthe mock adding webdav and bluetooth?
[19:01] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: rly?
[19:01] <sheytan> rbelem i'll work on it, but not today :)
[19:01] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: shadeslayer90
[19:01] <rbelem> sheytan, oki
[19:01] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: you do not appare the online
[19:01] <phononlogger> rbelem: you do not appear to be the answering
[19:01] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: just logged in
[19:02] <rbelem> sheytan, afiestas know better what is needed for bluetooth filesharing
[19:02] <sheytan> rbelem, well, all i can do, is the mockup :D
[19:03] <sheytan> my c++ ends with "hello world" :D
[19:03] <afiestas> imho all sharing should have the same interface, more or less
[19:04] <rbelem> sheytan, and could you make make the mockup pluggable, such as if module is not installed it will not appear in the kcm
[19:05] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: i need to complete the rekonq meeting report
[19:05] <kshadeslayer> ill be back in 15 mins
[19:05] <phononlogger> screw it
[19:05] <sheytan> rbelem as i said, no code :D
[19:05] <rbelem> afiestas, what do you think of pluggable kcm filesharing?
[19:05] <rbelem> sheytan, np ;)
[19:06] <rbelem> sheytan, let the code with me
[19:06] <sheytan> sure ;D
[19:06] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: WAIT!
[19:06] <kshadeslayer> :P
[19:07] <phononlogger> you are fun today
[19:07] <phononlogger> rbelem: are you not up for a session?
[19:08] <rbelem> phononlogger, ops... i'll login now
[19:09] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: call now :P
[19:10] <afiestas> rbelem: I think that is the way to go, but I'm still not sure how (we've a meeting to do :p)
[19:26] <rbelem> afiestas, i missed the meeting :(, lets book another together with sheytan, he will draw the UIs :)
[19:27] <rbelem> phononlogger, internet connection in the middle of jungle is really slow
[19:27] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: im out of the call :P
[19:27] <rbelem> phononlogger, the call was flickering sometimes
[19:28] <kshadeslayer> too much bandwidth consumption :P
[19:29] <rbelem> kshadeslayer, the maximus bandwidth in my city is 1MB
[19:29] <kshadeslayer> :P
[19:29] <kshadeslayer> im at 512Kbps
[19:29] <kshadeslayer> and ... skype is dead on my phone i think
[19:29] <kshadeslayer> i have a black screen
[19:31] <kshadeslayer> afiestas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552262
[19:31] <kshadeslayer> damn
[19:31] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552262
[19:31] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: call me :P
[19:31] <rbelem> kshadeslayer, whats your download speed?
[19:31] <kshadeslayer> rbelem: 65-70 KBps
[19:32] <rbelem> hum...
[19:32] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: where did yo conduct this talkery?
[19:33] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: #rekonq
[19:33] <phononlogger> I see your house from here
[19:33] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: line 5
[19:33] <kshadeslayer> :P
[19:34] <kshadeslayer> whee :)
[19:35] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: who's on this call?
[19:36] <phononlogger> you haz  a list
[19:36] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: not on my phone i dont :>
[19:36] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: markey, Mamarok, 2 phonon dues
[19:36] <phononlogger> dudes
[19:36] <phononlogger> me
[19:36] <kshadeslayer> ah ok .....
[19:37] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: mgraesslin as well ?
[19:37] <phononlogger> no
[19:37] <phononlogger> mgraesslin: wanna join a skype session?
[19:38]  * mgraesslin has neither skype nor a headset
[19:41]  * sheytan is loving KDE bluetooth system! <3!
[19:45] <rbelem> sheytan, what is your email?
[19:45] <sheytan> rbelem madsheytan at gmail dot com
[19:45] <rbelem> :D
[19:51] <phononlogger> kshadeslayer: did you break?
[19:51] <kshadeslayer> apparently so
[19:51] <kshadeslayer> and when i call you it says ... call failed:P
[19:52] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: you guys still on the call? :P
[20:13] <kshadeslayer> any ideas on launchpad bug 699875
[20:18] <kshadeslayer> stalcup: poke
[20:18] <kshadeslayer> stalcup: did you apply for kubuntu membership?
[20:23] <yofel> if it's natty, I would blame new sudo behaviour
[20:23] <yofel> probably makes some setting that X needs unavailable
[20:25] <yofel> kshadeslayer: do you have an idea about that rekonq behavior though? That's not the first time I see that for apport
[20:25] <yofel> or does rekonq not support being launched by python-launchpadlib?
[20:27] <yofel> kshadeslayer: and kdesudo works fine here
[20:56] <phononlogger> rbelem: your quality is really bad
[20:56] <phononlogger> like *really*(
[20:58] <rbelem> phononlogger, internet here is really slow :(
[21:02] <phononlogger> ic
[21:03] <phononlogger> rbelem: well, we stopped it anyway
[21:03] <phononlogger> this was getting ludicrous
[21:07] <rbelem> :)
[21:21] <kshadeslayer> phononlogger: gah .... i think our skype call broke my ISP's servers :P
[21:22] <yofel> you sure have a crappy ISP ^^
[21:22] <kshadeslayer> yofel: yep
[21:23] <kshadeslayer> yofel: and i know! kdesudo should work for the guy ... idk why its not working
[21:23] <kshadeslayer> and what about rekonq behaviour?
[21:23] <yofel> unnamed app(2677) kdemain: rekonq is already running!
[21:23] <yofel> Error connecting to Launchpad: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call
[21:24] <yofel> rekonq is called from Launchpad.login_with() in python-launchpadlib but refuses to open the authentification window
[21:24] <kshadeslayer> yofel: how do i reproduce this?
[21:24] <yofel> kshadeslayer: don't have a credentials file and try to use apport-collect
[21:25] <kshadeslayer> unnamed app(2677) kdemain: rekonq is already running! << means rekonq is already running .... now ... technically when launchpad lib tries to open a url it should open in a rekonq tab ... clearly it doesnt
[21:26] <kshadeslayer> yofel: can you try and reproduce with rekonq trunk?
[21:26] <yofel> kshadeslayer: do you have daily builds or do I have to build myself?
[21:30] <shadeslayer_> o_o
[21:30] <yofel> you have a crap ISP indeed ^^
[21:31] <shadeslayer_> yofel: no ... jefferai's core went down i think
[21:31] <yofel> oh, that would make sense, since 4 of you left in sync
[21:31] <phononlogger> shadeslayer_: your nick is broken
[21:31] <shadeslayer_> Sput: is a quassel core supposed to crash if i delete a network with channels in it?
[21:31] <shadeslayer_> oh
[21:32] <kshadeslayer_> phononlogger: better?
[21:32] <kshadeslayer_> connection refused :S
[21:33]  * kshadeslayer_ is on user support this evening
[21:33] <yofel> hm, let me try this (Quintasan_: I'll apologize beforehand)
[21:34] <kshadeslayer_> yofel: lol ... seems like his core did go down then :P
[21:35] <yofel> hm, a simple network where I joined a network and said a few words doesn't crash the core here on deletion
[21:36] <yofel> my core is 0.8-pre+76 though
[21:36] <kshadeslayer_> yofel: well ... i was on irc.videolan for about 6 hours
[21:36] <kshadeslayer_> and then deleted the network without deleting the channel
[21:36] <yofel> kshadeslayer_: maybe it's still running SQL queries then :P
[21:37] <kshadeslayer_> heh :P
[21:37] <yofel> where was rekonq hosted again?
[21:38] <yofel> see, SQL finished
[21:38] <kshadeslayer_> and back
[21:38] <kshadeslayer_> heh
[21:39] <kshadeslayer_> yofel: its on kde git
[21:41] <yofel> kshadeslayer_: you guys don't have any magick that breaks sudo make uninstall right?
[21:42] <kshadeslayer_> nope
[21:42] <yofel> good
[21:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: why would rekonq have magik for sudo make uninstall ? :P
[21:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: can't reproduce this here with rekonq git - that it opens it in a background tab without any indication that something happened isn't really optimal though (Or it's me having the focus stealing prevention set pretty high)
[21:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: dunno, I have nightmares about gnu autotools in that regard, leaving a mess behind
[21:46] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[21:46] <shadeslayer> you should be safe ^_^
[21:47] <shadeslayer> could be focus stealing attention ...
[21:48] <yofel> ok, I'll change that and retry
[21:49] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: tomas would be toma right?
[21:49] <yofel> nope, even with focus stealing prevention it still opens it in a background tab and rekonq stays in the background (or do I need to logout for the change to have effect?)
[21:49] <yofel> errr, with prevention turned off
[21:49] <shadeslayer> dont think you have to logout
[21:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:50] <shadeslayer> lemme try something
[21:50] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:50] <shadeslayer> happens with normal links too
[21:51] <shadeslayer> what the
[21:51] <shadeslayer> if i click on a link from a irc channel ... rekonq is focused
[21:51] <shadeslayer> if i click on a link from a channel topic it's opened in the background 0.o
[21:56] <yofel> this is cool http://dev.svetlyak.ru/diff-git-cached-en/?utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+dev-svetlyak/all-en+%28Svetlyak
[21:56] <yofel> (VIM)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> either my download speed was throttled again or api.kde is hosted on shitty servers
[22:57] <shadeslayer> KEditbookmarks is foobared
[22:58] <shadeslayer> cant enter more than 2 chars at a time in the location
[23:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: found the older bug about rekonq -> bug 629079
[23:22] <shadeslayer> lol
[23:22] <shadeslayer> just as i am about to quit
[23:22] <shadeslayer> i get bugs :P
[23:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: will see tomorrow ...
[23:23] <yofel> np, good night
[23:23] <shadeslayer> night


[10:01] <mlankhorst> huh
[10:02] <mlankhorst> why would unity8 give me a surface that has slightly more width than the screen?
[10:02] <mlankhorst> New size: 1366x742
[10:02] <mlankhorst> while the screen is 1360x768
[10:03] <mlankhorst> oh no, it's 1366 after all, wonder why it says 1360 then..
[10:03] <greyback> mlankhorst: a unity8 bug most likely. I'm aware of a bug where the surface height you end up with is 4 pixels too tall (for non-fullscreen surface)
[10:04] <mlankhorst> oh no, it might be some thing I need to workaround in xmir, bug in the resolution stuff
[10:33] <duflu_> mlankhorst: Interestingly Xorg also reports physical dimensions (xrandr) completely wrong. Mir does not
[10:33]  * duflu_ wanders off
[10:34] <mlankhorst> shrug :P
[10:36] <mlankhorst> I'm fighting with Xmir atm, getting some nice interactions where u8 resizes my newly created Xmir window and I currently don't handle that. I need to detect the case where Xmir runs in a window and handle xrandr differently there..
[10:58] <mlankhorst> can I detect the window is created with a different somehow? the resize event seems to be delayed..
[11:00] <greyback> mlankhorst: unity8's window sizing is a bit flawed right now. When clients requests surface, it is given fullscreen surface. Then when first frame is swapped, does unity8 resize surface to what is wants
[11:00] <greyback> so you always get a resize event shortly after surface creation
[11:00] <mlankhorst> ok, that would explain things..
[11:00] <greyback> known issue, I have code to fix it, I need to resurrect it and land it
[11:01] <mlankhorst> that would really help me. :P
[11:01] <greyback> mlankhorst: ok, let me do that today.
[11:03] <alan_g> greyback: are you now happy with my qtmir changes? (I tracked down my problems to PEBCAK)
[11:04] <greyback> alan_g: I am, just need to check one thing and then I can TA the new-migrate. Will then move onto the refactor, but from my initial look there was nothing controversial
[11:05] <alan_g> greyback: great
[11:09] <mlankhorst> greyback: but that could open another bug, until I call mir_surface_set_event_handler I can't process messages from the surface
[11:09] <mlankhorst> so if you fix it will it be race-free?
[11:10] <greyback> alan_g: can you answer that? ^^
[11:13] <greyback> mlankhorst: my understanding is when client calls mir_connection_create_surface with certain geometry defined in MirSurfaceParamters, the MirSurface returned should be checked again by the client to see the geometry it is given - as they may not be the same.
[11:13] <mlankhorst> yeah, unfortunately I don't see a call to do so..
[11:15] <greyback> mlankhorst: mir_surface_get_parameters should do it
[11:16] <alan_g> mlankhorst: what race are you concerned with?
[11:18] <alan_g> the size of the surface you have is available locally (as greyback says) and needs to be checked
[11:18] <mlankhorst> what call gives me the size then?
[11:20] <mlankhorst> oh right, the MirGraphicsRegion
[11:23] <mlankhorst> but that only works for cpu rendering, not gl
[11:26] <mlankhorst> oh nm, found it
[12:54] <greyback> alan_g: all approved, many thanks
[12:57] <alan_g> greyback: thank you.
[20:56] <rsalveti> kgunn: kdub: hey, have one question about mir and the input system and events, who knows more about that?
[20:56] <rsalveti> basically I want to understand what is the flow for the evdev events we get on our devices
[20:56] <kgunn> rsalveti: racarr and anpok
[20:56] <rsalveti> I know the shell is the one handling all the input, probably via mir
[20:56] <kdub> probably racarr in this timezone
[20:57] <rsalveti> cool, thanks
[20:57] <rsalveti> hm, no racarr around
[20:57] <kgunn> rsalveti: he's just gone for lunch...
[20:57] <rsalveti> cool, will ping him later then, thanks!


[02:42] <dendle> hi all....having a funky time with my Ubuntu laptop.....all good now......whew
[08:01] <mdke> fagan: you need <
[08:38] <fagan> mdke: I did &60; and it worked too
[08:55] <mdke> fagan: fine if it works. The usual way is to use < and > for such signs
[08:55]  * mdke -> work
[20:08] <fagan> mdke: ping?
[20:08] <mdke> fagan: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[20:09] <fagan> Im trying to make a sect but docbook wont recognise anything more than sect6
[20:13] <fagan> I figured it out
[20:13] <fagan> :_
[20:13] <fagan> :)
[20:34] <fagan> anyone know about the yelp indexing?


[22:13] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: So after three months, could you please do something about the image oversize warnings that are spamming the mailing list daily about various releases?  Cause by now I'm really close to muting my subscription on the ML, and also wonder how many others have given in there already.. XD


[10:43] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r132 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu8
[13:10] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r932 hardy-proposed/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Move to 2.6.24-24 kernels.


[02:08] <daftykins> haha, my unix login to University still works, 8 years on
[02:09] <daftykins> all my data is still there...
[02:56] <moggers57> how much space did they give you 8 years ago?
[02:57] <daftykins> i actually can't find any evidence of a quota
[02:57] <daftykins> although i've no idea of commands for that, seems it's become a RHEL host now
[03:21] <moggers57> start copying iso's up and see when it borks... :-P
[03:22] <daftykins> hah, i think technically it's wrong me even connecting in so nah i'm gonna leave it be
[03:23] <daftykins> found one of the techs still works there though, i could drop him an email and be all "wat"
[03:38] <moggers57> does the system not have an internal messaging option? :-)
[03:43] <daftykins> pff if CLI email exists i'm not touching it
[03:43] <daftykins> i don't think that department had email o0
[03:44] <moggers57> not email, a text message from one console to another on a server... surely linux has one...
[03:45] <daftykins> oh like wall
[03:45] <daftykins> think that required root last i saw - i have no idea
[03:49] <moggers57> i should probably try and get my 4 hours of sleep now... o/
[03:50] <daftykins> gl!
[03:51] <daftykins> dream of rainbow postboxes by John Penfold (:
[03:51] <moggers57> oooo crumbs chief
[03:52] <daftykins> 8D
[04:17] <mapps> hi
[04:21] <daftykins> mornin'
[07:03] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <daftykins> g'morn
[07:54] <TwistedLucidity> o/
[07:57] <daftykins> \o
[07:57] <SuperMatt> \o/
[07:58] <TwistedLucidity> Steady now..
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning all you happy shiny people
[08:05] <daftykins> :D gm davmor2!
[08:11] <SuperMatt> TwistedLucidity: are you saying I'm only allowed to enthusiasticly extend one arm?
[08:12] <TwistedLucidity> Health and Safety, mate. Have you had the "Both arms in the air" training along with the certificate of "Bathing and deoderant use"?
[08:12] <SuperMatt> this is just health and safety gone mad! I should be allowed to do whatever I want
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> To be free who you want to be etc.
[08:13] <SuperMatt> And if the spinning buzzsaws which make up the walls of this room cut off my arm, well that's your fault as an employer for making a dangerous work place
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> The buzzsaws were completely safe until you walked into them. You were offered the training but refused, we therefore have no liability.
[08:14] <SuperMatt> Fine, we'll just have to take this to a tribunal!
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> Or....maybe we fitted the stop device that detects skin contact. Dare you to find out....
[08:15] <SuperMatt> I think maybe I'll just take the training
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> And, if anyone is curious, such a device does exist. It runs a small charge through the cutting blade, skin contact causes that to drop, the brake slams in & blade is retracted.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Ruins the machine, like
[08:15] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I think you mean "To be free, to do what I want, any old time"
[08:16] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Don't you go telling me what I mean! I'm free to mean what I mean, man! STOP OPPRESSSING ME!
[08:18]  * davmor2 hits the emergency stop button on the op press so TwistedLucidity stops shouting
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> Caps lock is dodgy, but at least I fixedtheblastedspacebar.
[08:19] <daftykins> WANT TO SWAP?
[08:19] <davmor2> oh wait there is no emergency stop button on the op press so it will have to keep oppressing you that's the way of life
[08:30] <TwistedLucidity> Oppressed for life? Sounds like Darth May's endgame.
[08:31] <TwistedLucidity> Or maybe Baltimore Police's
[08:31] <TwistedLucidity> What's that up in the sky? Is it a plane? Is it a bird? Is it Superman? NO! It's a police drop doing 24/7 surveillance.
[08:31] <TwistedLucidity> s/drop/drone
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Pluto Demoted Day! 😃 ♇
[08:49] <daftykins> ooh i bet that's been a few moons already by now
[08:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: pluto you say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhlhUi0O-I gotcha covered
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:11] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[09:57] <BigRedS> Ah, morning!
[09:57] <BigRedS> How's tricks?
[09:59] <davmor2> BigRedS: It's Magic but not a lot
[10:00] <BigRedS> haha
[10:01]  * daftykins debates doing more with the day
[12:11] <diddledan> daftykins: days should be avoided as much as possible. doing things with them is a bad idea
[12:12] <davmor2> daftykins: what the hell did day do to deserve you doing more with it
[12:21] <daftykins> XD
[12:21] <daftykins> just taken the short stroll along to Boots, oh my lord the outfits on these kids today O_O
[12:22] <daftykins> can just imagine the poor parents
[12:23] <moggers58> in you day they wore respectable shell suits... :-P
[12:25] <daftykins> exactly"
[12:25] <daftykins> *!
[12:25] <daftykins> GOLA!
[12:25] <daftykins> finest imports from Newcastle
[12:28] <davmor2> daftykins: they wore newky brown
[12:29] <daftykins> finest of beverages
[12:30] <rixon> Hi there, IIRC there were some issues using dist-upgrade on some of the older versions... is this still a problem? we have an old 14.04 box we're considering upgrading to 16.04 - would it be better to just reformat and doa clean install?
[12:30] <rixon> *do a
[12:31] <daftykins> what does it do? 14.04 is LTS - why do you want to upgrade?
[12:31] <daftykins> dist-upgrade incidentally doesn't mean upgrade between versions :)
[12:31] <daftykins> it's the red herring of apt-get commands
[12:31] <rixon> so why does the motd suggest it is?
[12:31] <rixon> lol
[12:32] <daftykins> "Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it."
[12:32] <daftykins> no it doesn't :)
[12:32] <rixon> ah
[12:32] <rixon> haha ok
[12:33] <daftykins> so what does this system do?
[12:34] <rixon> it's a live web server with a mysql database and some high-traffic(well, ok maybe not 'high' but a fair amount) web applications for our clients...
[12:34] <rixon> do the older LTS still patch the recent gcc exploits and stuff?
[12:34] <rixon> I assume they still get security updates right?
[12:34] <daftykins> yes they do
[12:35] <daftykins> LTS would be a really bad name otherwise - Long Term Support
[12:35] <rixon> hm ok so maybe it's not so important to update
[12:35] <daftykins> nope not even vaguely - a justified LTS upgrade would be for a desktop PC with bleeding edge hardware that needed the newer kernel and X.org
[12:36] <rixon> well IMO support != security updates, support = well, you know... help.
[12:36] <daftykins> both come hand in hand
[12:36] <BigRedS> rixon: apt-get dist-upgrade is a part of the Debian way of upgrading between releases. do-release-upgrade is a Ubuntu tool that does that and all the prep you need to do on either side, which is probably where you got that from
[12:36] <rixon> right, ok thanks BigRedS
[12:36]  * daftykins runs apt dist-upgrade on his ubuntu systems daily
[12:37] <daftykins> but yeah... after all, if you had a critical kernel bug, you'd want support for it, which'd come via a security update ;D
[12:37] <rixon> ok...
[12:37] <BigRedS> yeah, it really should be apt-get full-upgrade or something
[12:38] <daftykins> "apt full-upgrade" is the new one
[12:39] <rixon> well we have an in-office dev server on 12.04 (oldest LTS?) and we're rebuilding & reformatting it anyway so we figured we'd just put 16.04 on it but my boss is thinking 'things will be in different places compared to our live 14.04 servers'
[12:39] <daftykins> huge difference yes, because it'll go from thingy to systemd
[12:39] <rixon> as he's seen the root dir structure change between 11.x/12.x/14.x
[12:40] <diddledan> upstart
[12:40] <daftykins> diddledan: thingy
[12:40] <daftykins> :D
[12:40] <diddledan> from upstart to systemd
[12:40] <diddledan> :-p
[12:40] <rixon> ah yes this systemd is something I've already had a little issue with, eth0=enp0s3, etc...
[12:40]  * diddledan plays with daftykins' thingy
[12:40] <daftykins> no that's the kernel change i think, totally separate
[12:41] <BigRedS> the root dir structure? But, yeah, the init system changing's going to be the biggest difference. It'll boot faster and you'll have no idea what's going on between the kernel loading and your getting a login
[12:42] <daftykins> my plan is probably going to be to keep running 14.04 servers until 18.04 is out :)
[12:42] <rixon> how long is 'long term' then? 5yr?
[12:42] <daftykins> !lts
[12:42] <rixon> hm
[12:43] <daftykins> keep to 14.04 and put the saved effort into virtualising instead perhaps ;)
[12:44] <popey> I moved all my machines bar one from 14.04 to 16.04
[12:44] <popey> no real drama with any of them
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> I need to upgrade my servers this weekend, but I also need to pick berries and make jam/liqeurs. Decisions....
[12:52] <diddledan> I vote jam
[12:52] <daftykins> i can help with the QA of the latter \o
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: This is experimental stuff...no idea what it will taste like in ~12 months.
[12:53] <diddledan> good quote: "The default assumption is that pull quotes on the web are fine, because everyone else is doing pull quotes on the web. But has anybody ever stopped to ask why? It was this same spiral of unexamined assumptions that led to the web drowning in a sea of splash pages in the early 2000s."
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> The sure phases are: all sweet alcohol; sweet fruit; paint stripper; nice.
[12:54] <diddledan> ref<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:54] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: ah, then i promote diddledan to chief tester!
[12:54]  * daftykins steps backwards a pace
[12:55] <rixon> so aside from eth0=enp0s3, and upstart/systemd... is there anything else major I need to be aware of?
[12:55] <TwistedLucidity> Another skeuomorph, why do websites only use the middle quarter or my rather nice screen?
[12:55] <rixon> I think we're going to install 14.04 and virtualise 16.04 to tinker with
[12:56] <popey> TwistedLucidity: that irritates me too
[12:56] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: the assumption is that scanning the width of a 24inch screen is hard work
[12:56] <daftykins> rixon: yes, not version number chasing - plus look at what versions of your companies' chosen web server, PHP version and any other items each release comes with to be sure you standardise on what you need for what you produce
[12:57] <daftykins> must say i rarely full screen a browser
[12:58] <rixon> yes this is the problem we're trying to get out of haha our live servers are 14.04 and our dev server is still 12.04, so we're going to 14.04
[12:58] <moggers57> only when i'm doing screenshots do i full screen a browser
[12:59] <rixon> thanks for the advice =) I'm already conscious of the Apache/PHP/MySQL versions
[12:59] <daftykins> rixon: also, if you downloaded media (an ISO) for say 14.04.5 it'll have a different kernel to one that was installed from 14.04.3 for example
[12:59] <daftykins> rixon: so i tend to always go 14.04.1 as that remains on the original 3.13 kernel but updates fine to still be the current release number, 14.04.5
[13:00] <daftykins> that can be a little confusing too
[13:00] <rixon> hm is there a way I can find out what 14.04.x it was installed from? (it was set up before I was in this company)
[13:01] <daftykins> check the kernel "uname -r"
[13:01] <rixon> is ther a list of ubuntu release versions => kernel versions somewhere?
[13:01] <daftykins> at this point i feel you and the wiki could become friends
[13:02] <rixon> 'yes on the wiki' would have done ;P ok cheers
[13:02] <rixon> sorry I'll stop bugging you now
[13:02] <rixon> =)
[13:02] <rixon> thanks
[13:02] <daftykins> yeah i get called all sorts when i'm that blunt though :(
[13:03] <rixon> that's not being blunt - I was asking if there was that information somewhere, and 'yes on the wiki' is a straight answer to what I was asking - sarcasm about being friends with a wiki is more blunt than a astraight answer
[13:03] <rixon> :P
[13:04] <daftykins> i disagree
[13:06] <rixon> well fair enough you can disagree if you want to but I think most normal human beings think snarky sarcasm warrants you 'getting called all sorts' more than giving a straight answer
[13:06]  * diddledan bops daftykins
[13:07] <daftykins> see i don't know why anyone reads that as snarky sarcasm
[13:08] <daftykins> what a world we live in :/
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> Oh FFS. Just RTFM!!!!!111!!1!one
[13:08]  * diddledan sounds the siren
[13:08] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity: hear hear!
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> LOL
[13:08] <diddledan> well that descended quickly
[13:10] <popey> rixon: /var/log/installer should reveal what it was installed from
[13:27] <rixon> thanks popey
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[13:29] <daftykins> lo
[13:31] <diddledan> average height
[13:32] <daftykins> ooh my, warmth but then thunder and now rain
[13:32] <diddledan> yey
[13:33] <diddledan> this is nature's way of telling you that you should be in bed
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan yay I worked on a email twice, a long  good email
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and lost it both times!
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both versions
[13:43] <foobarry> does encryption slow down android? boot time, general usage?
[13:43] <foobarry> i know that encryption got enabled on my huld2 and it slows the boot time yby 90s
[13:46] <daftykins> which phone?
[13:46] <daftykins> it probably differs by age
[13:56] <popey> not noticable on my opx
[14:09] <rixon> nor my N6P
[14:17] <diddledan> fun video (hour-long) where they carry-on regardless of technical issues: https://youtu.be/Sb7UmXhs32M
[14:17] <diddledan> tis brian lunduke
[14:17] <daftykins> oh hey it's the Matt that used to be on LAS
[14:17] <diddledan> yup
[14:18] <daftykins> i remember digging deep to find out when and why he disappeared
[14:18] <diddledan> yeah I still haven't worked out what happened there
[14:20] <daftykins> the comments on that one seem a bit undecided too
[14:32] <popey> i have been asked to be on one of them
[14:33] <moggers57> that sentence parses multiple ways...
[14:36] <diddledan> popey: is there any kind of canonical requirements for appearing on other people's shows or are you allowed autonomy to show-up as part of "the community team"?
[14:36] <moggers57> leave his os/2 t-shirt at home... :-P
[14:37] <popey> there are no such requirements
[14:37] <diddledan> \o/
[14:38] <diddledan> I figured as much, based on my perceptions of canonical being an open company, but thought I'd ask as strict companies insist on certain things by contract when you start working for them
[14:39] <rixon> wow I just read that IBM still supported os/2 right up til December 2006... I thought it was dead long before that
[14:39] <diddledan> one such contractural thing I struggle reconciling with is that the company will own all inventions I make even if I make them outside of the work environment
[14:40] <diddledan> I guess a good candidate for job X would be able to negotiate on such points though...
[14:40] <moggers57> there was a recent release of os/2 updates
[14:40] <moggers57> like a good os it just won't die... :-)
[14:40] <diddledan> where's zmoylan-pi?
[14:41] <moggers57> o/
[14:41] <daftykins> he's him!
[14:41] <diddledan> oh
[14:41] <moggers57> using a different handle as part of a joke in another channel
[14:41] <diddledan> well that's messing with my head :-p
[14:44] <rixon> ok this is winding me up now, I've got the ISO on USB and booted from it, installed, had a secureboot issue, tried again this time doing the 'integrity check' - I've checked the md5sum of the ISO, it's correct but once I've put it on a USB with rufus (and even unetbootin) and boot from it, 'check integrity' on it fails the check...
[14:45] <daftykins> you don't have to install EFI if the machine is legacy capable
[14:45] <daftykins> try another drive if you can
[14:46] <rixon> a different USB? do you think it could be bad?
[14:46] <rixon> hm ok
[14:47] <daftykins> it's just the easiest approach
[14:47] <rixon> didn't have any write errors but I will try another
[14:47] <daftykins> another would be writing with a Loonix using dd or cp etc.
[14:47] <daftykins> i don't think flash drives tend to give clues like that
[14:48] <rixon> rufus has a 'dd mode' and an 'iso mode' - the ubuntu wiki recommended iso mode
[14:49] <daftykins> yeah i mean dd natively, as in terminal, but i've used dd mode from Windows just fine
[14:49] <rixon> oic
[14:49] <diddledan> I recommend dd mode on the newer iso images
[14:49] <daftykins> in fact as it writes contiguously i've found it faster, too
[14:49] <rixon> diddledan: it's 14.04
[14:49] <rixon> (.4)
[14:49] <daftykins> i'd recommend 14.04.1
[14:49] <diddledan> don't you already have 14.04?
[14:50] <rixon> atm we have a formatted hdd
[14:50] <rixon> lol
[14:50] <diddledan> o_O
[14:50]  * diddledan scratchy noodle
[14:50] <daftykins> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.1/
[14:52] <rixon> daftykins: what was teh reason for the old kernel preference in .1?
[14:52] <rixon> *the
[14:52] <rixon> or better worded: for your preference of .1 for the old kernel
[14:53] <daftykins> install from that image for all of them, maintain consistency
[14:53] <daftykins> HWEs are in use with the later ones which could be a slight hassle in the future, depends
[14:53] <daftykins> the wiki page showing which comes with which covers it
[14:55] <rixon> isn't HWE for graphics stack?
[14:55] <rixon> we're not interested in running X
[14:55] <daftykins> please look it up
[14:55] <daftykins> !hwe
[14:57] <rixon>  < daftykins> the wiki page showing which comes with which covers it
[14:57] <rixon> ^looking for this
[14:58] <rixon> oh i see
[14:58] <rixon> ok
[15:08] <rixon> I must say I still don't really understand why you're suggesting to not have the newer kernel - what is this 'slight hassle in the future'?
[15:10] <rixon> OH is it because support ends and suggests going to 14.04.5 after this month?
[15:11] <rixon> in which case why not install <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:11] <rixon> this isn't making much sense to me I'm afraid.
[15:11] <diddledan> hwe kernels have a shorter support lifecycle
[15:11] <daftykins> for the simplest life, 14.04.1
[15:12] <rixon> I see that but support for 14.04.5 ends at the same time as 14.04.1
[15:13] <rixon> on a newer kernel too
[15:13] <daftykins> which only matters for desktops really
[15:14] <daftykins> honestly i've not been saying all this for a laugh :)
[15:14] <rixon> haha I know I'm not saying you're pulling my leg I'm just having a hard time understanding why you're suggesting to pick an older kernel for the same amount of support as the newer one... why is it only a desktop matter?
[15:16] <daftykins> because the gains in a newer kernel would typically be hardware support gains which are less relevant to servers
[15:16] <rixon> oh
[15:18] <rixon> ok thanks for putting up with me =)
[15:20] <daftykins> bed for me o/
[15:20] <diddledan> :-o
[15:20] <diddledan> it's.. early
[15:21] <moggers57> or very very very late
[15:21] <rixon> haha yea
[15:21] <rixon> not even home time yet
[15:51] <rixon> ok so I'm still getting the same problem: I've tried both 14.04.4 and 14.04.1, both ISOs pass the md5 checksum but the in-installed integrity verification check fails. I've tried imaging the ISO with both rufus and unetbootin, both with the same results. The install appears to work anyway but then when I boot after installing I get an error with secureboot.
[15:51] <rixon> *in-installer
[15:52] <rixon> I've tried: 2 diffferent ISOs, 2 different imaging software, 2 different USB sticks...
[15:52] <rixon> same result
[15:53] <davmor2> rixon: just run the disc check from the menu on the usb pen drive
[15:53] <rixon> yes it fails
[15:53] <rixon> that's what I'm saying
[15:54] <rixon> the md5 checksum of the ISO is correct, but once imaged to the USB and booted off - that check in the menu fails
[15:54] <davmor2> rixon: use disks to copy it you pendrive if you have an ubuntu system
[15:54] <rixon> use disks?
[15:57] <davmor2> rixon: if you are on an Ubuntu system, tap the top icon and type in disks, in disks select the pen drive on the left, tap the top right icon and select format disk, and then restore disk image and select the iso
[15:57] <davmor2> rixon: I have no idea what rufus is doing to the iso
[15:58] <rixon> the ubuntu wiki suggests to use rufus (i'm on windows)... also it's not just rufus - I've tried unetbootin as well
[15:58] <diddledan> rufus does weird mangling
[15:58] <diddledan> as does unetbootin
[15:58] <rixon> so why is it officially recommended?
[15:58] <rixon> haha
[15:58] <rixon> I've never had trouble before with unetbootin
[15:58] <davmor2> rixon: because there aren't any decent burners on windows
[16:02] <rixon> well that's just an inti-windows statement that isn't even true. I've not had problems doing this before with unetbootin or even the windows 7 installer disk imaging tool
[16:02] <rixon> *anti
[16:03] <diddledan> just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you
[16:04] <diddledan> it may be perceived as "anti windows" but it is still accurate
[16:05] <davmor2> rixon: no it's true you can get decent burns if you go out and install them, the better ones are paid for which is something we can't then recommend so we have to recommend free applications that do the job.  Those are obviously 2 that do it.
[16:06] <davmor2> rixon: What I mean is the one that is built in doesn't copy isos to pendrives well or we would recommend that one
[16:06] <rixon> ... again that doesn't mean that "there aren't any decent burners on windows"
[16:07] <rixon> just because they're not built in
[16:07] <ali1234> wat
[16:07] <ali1234> windows has a built in iso burner that works fine
[16:07] <diddledan> ali1234: burning iso to usbstick
[16:07] <ali1234> oh
[16:08] <ali1234> well then i agree, windows does not have any decent tool for this
[16:08] <davmor2> ali1234: yeah burns isos to cd's fine not so good at transferring them to usb pendrive hence my statement that windows burner sucks
[16:08] <ali1234> yeah
[16:08] <ali1234> but it isn't designed to do that
[16:09] <rixon> ... again I wasn't suggesting that the windows built in ISO burner was the tool for the job. just because other software isn't built in to windows doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[16:09] <ali1234> rixon: the real reason why unetbootin is "officially" recommended is because the docs are painfully out of date
[16:09] <rixon> you're saying there aren't any
[16:10] <ali1234> the isos didn't used to be bootable without mangling
[16:10] <rixon> ali1234: I've installed 15.04 and 15.10 at home with unetbootin with no problems
[16:10] <ali1234> so we had to use unetbootin even on linux
[16:10] <rixon> it just seems to screw up this 14.04 image
[16:11] <ali1234> then around 2012 the isos were switched to hybridiso which do not require any mangling
[16:11] <ali1234> so now unetbootin maybe works, maybe it doesn't
[16:12] <rixon> hm
[20:36] <ali1234> where does /root/.bashrc come from on a debian system? it doesn't match /etc/skel/.bashrc


[00:13] <yofel> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[00:13] <yofel> 0x76359418 in mdb_txn_begin () from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/liblmdb.so.0
[00:13]  * yofel wonders how many baloo crashes coming from that lib he's seen so far....
[00:14] <sgclark> hm
[00:14] <sgclark> segfault seems bad
[00:14] <yofel> the odd part is that it's 32-bit-only
[00:14] <yofel> reproducibly
[00:14] <sgclark> they do not have 32bit hardware.
[00:15] <sgclark> I wonder can I qemu a docker image to test? lol
[00:15] <yofel> well, you can get the same thing on i386, just at a slightly different point
[00:16] <sgclark> I have one builder. amd64.
[00:16] <yofel> or I can give you access to my raspi if you ever need native armhf hardware
[00:16] <yofel> yeah, but a chroot is enough to run i386 on amd64 ;)
[00:16] <yofel> no need for qemu
[00:17] <sgclark> oh.
[00:18] <sgclark> guess I will have to look into that. It would be helpful for us? What happens when you see it fails upstream? You can disable the test or?
[00:18] <yofel> ok, thanks to infinity breeze and breeze-icons are in release, kwin and kopete have the failing tests disabled so *should* migrate soon
[00:18] <yofel> I'll take another look at baloo and ktp-kded-integration tomorrow
[00:19] <yofel> yeah, then I usually just disable them - not a good idea, but it's not like I can fix the bug itself in a few seconds..
[00:20] <sgclark> right. ok
[00:22] <yofel> I'm not sure if 32bit ci builds on kde are that much of a necessity. At least not when you're so busy just keeping it running
[00:23] <yofel> I usually just look there to see if tests also fail on the native CI or if we have testbed issues
[00:23] <yofel> (kwin was a testbed issue)
[00:23] <sgclark> well generally it does not take so much to keep it running, we are doing some big changes though. Now is the time to implement such a feature
[00:24] <yofel> anyway, off to bed. nini
[00:24] <sgclark> good night
[00:24] <sgclark> sleep well
[04:18] <ScottK> Ah well, I guess it's time to que up Canonical's trademark lawyers: http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml
[07:34] <soee> hiho
[08:44] <yofel> heh, ubuntuBSD
[08:45] <yofel> I wonder if mark will *now* figure out a list of stuff you need to change to not violate the trademark
[08:46] <soee_> :)
[08:47] <soee_> yofel: are we not pushing Plasma 5.5.5 to archive yet ? same with apps
[08:48] <yofel> not before the weekend, we're in beta freeze until thursday
[08:49] <soee_> maybe we could in the meantime stage Frameworks 5.20 :>
[08:50] <soee_> they wont get into 16.04 archive but will be ready for backports
[08:50] <yofel> again, nobody will release that, so that won't happen until after 16.04 release
[08:50] <yofel> OTOH, it's iso testing time http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/358/builds
[08:50] <yofel> !testers
[08:50] <yofel> ISO testing ^
[08:53] <soee_> oh it is 1.5 GB
[08:58] <yofel> freeze note
[09:08] <vip> yofel: is it livecd or install cd? because the desktop loaded, no installer showed
[09:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:12] <soee_> hiho
[09:13] <lordievader> Hey soee_, how are you?
[09:14] <soee_> lordievader: hiho, testing iso :-)
[09:15] <yofel> vip: like... you got no install / live session choice?
[09:16] <vip> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/4GI7ewG.jpg
[09:16] <vip> xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:17] <yofel> it booted straight into that?
[09:18] <vip> yup
[09:18] <yofel> urgh, ubiquity-dm is busted then
[09:19] <soee_> meff same here i think
[09:19] <soee_> i blinks when it shoudl sow installer, than ums to live session
[09:19] <soee_> or livesession shoudl be always loaded ?
[09:19] <yofel> and can you please file a bug against kubuntu-settings-desktop about that folderview widget, it's not supposed to look like that
[09:19] <vip> if only desktop folder was bigger
[09:19] <vip> yofel: yup
[09:20] <vip> yofel: can you point me directly?
[09:20] <yofel> run 'apport-cli kubuntu-settings-desktop'
[09:20] <yofel> or rather ubuntu-bug instead of apport-cli
[09:21] <vip> I always uninstall apport because it is irritating
[09:21] <lordievader> soee_: Ah, good luck ;)
[09:21] <yofel> you could just disable it ^
[09:21] <yofel> ^^
[09:22] <yofel> vip: just run it from the live session, it should be there
[09:22] <soee_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1560356
[09:22] <soee_> this was reported for Xubuntu
[09:22] <soee_> so it is the same for us
[09:26] <soee_> yofel: shall we test it further ?
[09:26] <soee_> it is bug that will show up on each test :<
[09:28] <yofel> right, meh :/
[09:28] <yofel> guess we'll have to wait until someone looks at it
[09:29] <yofel> for now I'm happy that the desktop works more or less correctly
[09:29] <soee_> :)
[09:30] <soee_> vip: will you report the folderview size problem ?
[09:30] <vip> soee_: I have no time now
[09:30] <vip> soee_: I cannot find web page to submit it
[09:30] <vip> and the vbox machine runs so slow, i cannot do anything
[09:31] <soee_> :D
[09:32] <soee_> i gave it 4 GB ram + 4 cores
[09:34] <soee_> yofel: against this package https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings the bug should be reported ?
[09:36] <yofel> yes
[09:36] <vip> soee_: you can attach above photo
[09:37] <soee_> i will
[09:45] <mparillo> I think I recall something like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1560356 happening a few releases ago during alpha testing. But then, if I clicked on the install icon, the installer worked.
[09:45] <soee_> there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1560404
[09:45] <soee_> vip confirm please
[09:47] <soee_> yofel: also the toolbox covers some part of the widget, can this be fixed to
[09:47] <soee_> ?
[09:48] <soee_> by moving the tolbox to different corner or moving a bit folder view ?
[09:49] <yofel> probably, I don't know the code that inserts the widget offhand
[09:50] <yofel> bbl
[10:03] <soee> is there some way to change konversation logs directory ?
[10:03] <soee> so i can make my home folder cleaner ?
[10:04] <Sho_> yes
[10:04] <Sho_> in the Logs page of the ocnfig dialog
[13:10] <sheytan> plasma 5.6 packages when? :D
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 Hi blueskaj
[14:57] <BluesKaj_> hi telegram
[15:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj_: It is clifford (probably clivejo) ;)
[15:05] <BluesKaj_> ok lordievader thanks
[15:07] <BluesKaj_> hi telegram
[15:08] <BluesKaj_> oops I also meant <clifford>
[15:08] <lordievader> BluesKaj_: The username between < > is the actual user saying the thing ;)
[15:09] <BluesKaj_> this is what appears in konversation lordievader, "<telegram> <Clifford>: Hi blueskaj"
[15:11] <lordievader> Yes, the second <> in that case.
[16:19] <BluesKaj_> interesting, this site (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/kde-plasma-5-6-released) says "Plasma 5.6 will be available to install on Kubuntu 16.04 through the Kubuntu Backports PPA." , but there is no 16.04 ppa available there. :/
[16:20] <soee> what is the point for backports ppa for unreleased system ? :)
[16:20] <soee> yes 16.04 will have backports after it is released
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> soee, exactly what i was wondering
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> it's supposed to add the backports ppa tho
[16:36] <clivejo> yeah, Im Clifford on telegram
[16:36] <clivejo> and my message seems to have been delapyed
[16:39] <clivejo> sheytan_ soee: Xenial 16.04 is in freeze now so nothing new can be added.  5.6 will probably be backported, but we cant do backports until the release actually happens!
[16:39] <sgclark> While I am sure we will package it eventually. We made no committment to that as of yet, where did they obtain this info...
[16:40] <clivejo> true!
[16:40] <clivejo> thats provided we still have our RM's after release!
[16:41] <sgclark> and yeah what clivejo said. no backports until we release
[16:42] <sgclark> well we need to somehow reduce the workload at release. This is waaaaaay too much for a couple of volunteers
[16:43] <sgclark> those tests failing, are insane mmounds of work for poor yofel. I feel terrible I am not much help there. yet.
[16:43] <clivejo> ditto
[16:46] <BluesKaj_> wish i could hep , but my attempt at learning code failed miserably when <i copied the hello worldstring example on the C++ tutorial...so i thought if their example is mucked up, how am I supposed to learn from them :-)
[16:46] <BluesKaj_> help even
[16:49] <BluesKaj_> anyway, errands to do for a couple of hrs...later folks
[16:49] <sgclark> lol
[16:49] <sgclark> no worries
[16:50] <mamarley> sgclark: I don't want to bother you with it now, but after the release, I would like to learn how I can help you guys out.
[16:50] <sgclark> user support is also super important and appreciated
[16:50] <sgclark> mamarley: yes we hope to achieve that with many with the packaging parties
 Hey mamarley: that is wonderful, make sure you come along to the next Kubuntu Party. see kubuntu.org
 we'll help you get involved
[16:52] <genii> Speaking of parties, if anyone is in Toronto on day of release, come on by for cupcakes and coffee :)
[16:52] <sgclark> mm cupcakes and coffee yum
 Yum, sounds good
[16:53]  * sgclark now wants cupcakes and coffee
[16:53] <mamarley> Sick_Rimmit: The problem with that in my case is that I have a regular job and the party is right on top of that time. :(
[16:53] <genii> Shameless plug: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3330-toronto-xenial-xerus-release-party/
[16:54] <sgclark> mamarley: maybe I think (hope) we will record these?
 Hey cool, I will add that to the Podcast news. So we'll shout out for you on that event. 😉
[16:57] <mamarley> sgclark: OK.  I already have some of the skills you need though, such as at least a basic understanding of Debian packaging and experience with doing git merges.
[16:59] <clivejo> ooooo nice
[16:59] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0TzoXhAbxg
[17:00] <yofel> consider me unhappy. I *intentionally* don't have matching plasma and application color schemes
[17:00] <yofel> I hope you can turn that off somewhere
[17:01] <clivejo> you rebel!
[17:03] <yofel> hm, well, nice to see improvements, but I really use nothing of that. Guess I won't care much about 5.6
[17:04] <mamarley> That's good, since you probably won't see it for another month!
[17:05] <sgclark> I just want a strong LTS release :) will not worry about new stuff till that is done
[17:16] <tsdgeos> sgclark: baloo-kf5 seems to be stuck or something
[17:16] <tsdgeos> still at 5.15
[17:16] <sgclark> tsdgeos: yofel is fighting with that
[17:16] <yofel> yes, thanks to a test crash on 32bit that I'm a bit worried about
[17:16] <clivejo> !info baloo-kf5 xenial
[17:17] <sgclark> fails on 32bit arches
[17:17] <tsdgeos> i thought that's on purpose
[17:17] <tsdgeos> ask vishesh
[17:17] <tsdgeos> i have a slight memory of him saying 32 bit was unsupported
[17:17] <yofel> lolwhat
[17:18] <yofel> well that does not quite work out in reality
[17:18] <tsdgeos> i may be wrong, as said it's a slight memory
[17:20] <yofel> hm, remembering his mail to packagers a couple days ago someone needs to send him cookies
[17:22] <yofel> bbl
[18:49] <genii> BTW, when Alternatives...Application Menu is used ( on both my Wily and Xenial testing machine ) Recent Applications seems to ignore applications which open automatically as result of saving session
[18:50] <genii> Not sure if this is by design however
[19:26] <acheron88> yofel: 5.6 has a Breeze-light plasma theme with the classic colours that doesn't adapt
[19:26] <yofel> well, I use breeze-dark for plasma and breeze-light for apps
[19:27] <yofel> if that still works I'm happy
[19:27] <acheron88> yes there is that as well
[19:32] <acheron88> you can have it non adaptive light or dark if you want
[19:50] <clivejo> yofel: in the git-clone-all script where does it pull in the git repo data from?
[19:51] <yofel> uh, some config file
[19:51] <clivejo> Ive edited conf/git-clone-all.json but is doesnt seem to do anything
[19:51] <yofel> that's what it's reading though
[19:52] <yofel> what are you trying to run?
[19:52] <clivejo> I was just hacking the script to git clone from Neon
[19:52] <clivejo> but it keeps defaulting to debian
[19:52] <clivejo> no idea where is getting that from
[19:53] <yofel> the clone-this-one line?
[19:53] <clivejo> yeah
[19:53] <clivejo> I changed that
[19:53] <yofel> should work
[19:54] <clivejo> thats what I thought
[20:05] <BluesKaj> the xenial landing ppa is giving this error "  The repository is insufficiently signed by key E4DFEC907DEDA4B8A670E8042836CB0A8AC93F7A (weak digest)" The key is definitely the same as the one the launchpad ppa ppa shows.
[20:06] <mamarley> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1556666
[20:06] <BluesKaj> ok mamarley thanks
[20:06] <mamarley> Also, it is only a warning.  The PPA will still work.
[20:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, but it's annoying :-)
[20:13] <BluesKaj> pk , time for othe things ...later
[22:49] <clivejo> bang