[09:51] <rsajdok> i am GMT+1 :)
[11:55] <rsajdok> daker: I am back :)
[11:55] <daker> rsajdok: ok :)
[11:59] <daker> rsajdok: can you try again ?
[12:04] <rsajdok> daker: yes, please
[12:05] <daker> rsajdok: ok
[12:05] <daker> let's start again
[12:05] <daker> bzr branch lp:loco-team-portal ris.ltp
[12:11] <daker> cd ris.ltp/
[12:14] <rsajdok> done
[12:14] <daker> make
[12:16] <daker> and wait
[12:16] <daker> while it's downloading :)
[12:20] <rsajdok> waiting :)
[12:27] <rsajdok> http://pastie.org/5960651
[12:31] <daker> rsajdok: open Makefile
[12:31] <daker> and change the env part
[12:31] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1589478/
[12:32] <daker> then run make
[12:33] <rsajdok> ok
[12:57] <daker> rsajdok|a: once done
[12:57] <daker> rm loco_directory/ltp.db
[12:57] <daker> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~daker/ltp/ltp.db -O loco_directory/ltp.db
[12:58] <daker> ./env/bin/python loco_directory/manage.py migrate
[12:58] <daker> ./env/bin/python loco_directory/manage.py runserver <IP_ADDRESS>:8088
[12:59] <rsajdok> daker: should I create superuser?
[12:59] <daker> ya just create it
[13:18] <daker> rsajdok: ?
[13:45] <rsajdok> daker: few minutes
[13:45] <daker> ok
[13:47] <rsajdok> http://pastie.org/5961930
[13:50] <daker> rsajdok: try : ./env/bin/python loco_directory/manage.py syncdb --noinput
[13:50] <daker> then migrate
[13:54] <rsajdok> I change port to 8089
[13:54] <rsajdok> done
[13:55] <daker> ok rsajdok http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8089?
[13:56] <rsajdok> yes
[13:56] <rsajdok> daker: http://pastie.org/5962056
[13:57] <daker> yep rsajdok what's your ip ?
[14:00] <rsajdok> ip address of my vps ?
[14:00] <rsajdok> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8089/
[14:01] <daker> rsajdok: what do you see http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8089/teams/ ?
[14:06] <rsajdok> daker: http://imgur.com/UPKLbJj
[14:07] <daker> :(
[14:07] <daker> ok
[14:10] <daker> rsajdok: run make lp
[14:12] <daker> rsajdok: ah i found the problem
[14:12] <daker> this venv thing sucks
[14:12] <daker> do you see ltp.db inside ris.ltp folder ?
[14:14] <rsajdok> ris@sunejask:~/ris.ltp$ find . -name *.db
[14:14] <rsajdok> ./ltp.db
[14:14] <rsajdok> ./loco_directory/ltp.db
[14:14] <daker> :)
[14:14] <daker> this is the problem :)
[14:15] <daker> delete them both
[14:15] <rsajdok> done
[14:15] <rsajdok> $ find . -name *.db
[14:17] <daker> rsajdok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1589730/
[14:17] <daker> it will work this time :)
[14:19] <rsajdok> daker: at last :)
[14:19] <rsajdok> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8089/teams/
[14:19] <daker> WOOOOW
[14:20] <daker> the sysadmin blocked all the port on the network
[14:20] <daker> so you see the list of teams ?
[14:20] <rsajdok> yes, I see
[14:20] <daker> now add you lp nickname to Debug_users on local_settings.py
[14:21] <daker> then login using launchpad
[14:22] <daker> you will see your team membership checkbox
[14:23] <rsajdok> daker: yes, http://imgur.com/7TBPEIq
[14:23] <daker> perfect
[14:23] <rsajdok> daker: new problem :) http://imgur.com/anvC7FH
[14:24] <daker> rsajdok: easy go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8089/admin/auth/user/
[14:24] <daker> login : admin
[14:24] <daker> passe : 123456
[14:24] <daker> seach for you usename
[14:25] <daker> and delete it
[14:25] <daker> disconnect from the admin then go login via launchpad
[14:27] <rsajdok> should I delete "ris" or "admin" ?
[14:27] <daker> ris
[14:29] <rsajdok> daker: uch, works :)
[14:31] <daker> \o/
[14:31] <rsajdok> daker: I must write the instructions for the future :)
[14:31] <daker> i should improve the makefile
[14:31] <rsajdok> daker: many, many thanks :)
[14:32] <daker> happy hacking, i'll be waiting for your merge proposal :)
[14:32] <rsajdok> daker: Yes, You Should :)
[14:32] <daker> i'll do it tonight
[14:33] <rsajdok> daker: Now I am working on that https://code.launchpad.net/~ris/loco-team-portal/fix-552762
[14:34] <daker> ah yes it has merge conflict
[14:34] <rsajdok> daker: I am going back to work, many thanks for help
[14:34] <daker> yw
[22:08] <rsajdok> daker: Did you improve the makefile?
[22:11] <daker> rsajdok: not yet, i was watching Braca vs Real :)
[22:13] <rsajdok> daker: haha :)
[23:10] <knome> hey, anybody around?
[23:10] <knome> or, tbe...
[23:10] <knome> does anybody know if pad.ubuntu.com is free to use off-uds?
[23:10] <knome> and if yes, is there something we should know (eg. it gets reset now and then)


Installed 18.04 and everything is fine, but when connecting to my Samsung TV, Ubuntu/Nvidia is trying to do a really high resolution and the tv doesn't like it. What's the best way to stop it from going above a certain resolution without limiting its automatic resolution functionality?


 KilosMicro?
[06:43] <KilosU> U for unity , other one is KilosK for kde
[06:44] <KilosU> so guys can see what i need help on
[06:44] <KilosU> hehe
[06:44] <not_found> lol
[06:44] <not_found> k
[06:44] <Cantide> :D
[06:44] <Cantide> which do you prefer?
[06:45] <KilosU> both not as good as gnome2 but kde is a bit easier to use and i can have lotsa desktops
[06:46] <KilosU> gnome2 was more noob friendly methinks
[06:46] <Cantide> I liked Gnome2, too
[06:46] <Cantide> removing the panel at the bottom has hindered my productivity
[06:46] <KilosU> yeah
[06:46] <Cantide> but i think Unity + keyboard shortcuts is okay
[06:46] <Cantide> still not as good
[06:46] <Cantide> but okay
[06:46] <KilosU> gnome2 is much quicker
[06:49] <Cantide> is anyone using webapps in 12.04?
[06:49] <Cantide> I just tried to install it but it failed
[06:49] <Cantide> missing 3 dependencies
[06:50] <KilosU> how did you install it
[06:50] <KilosU> cli?
[06:50] <Cantide> terminal
[06:50] <Cantide> cli = terminal?
[06:50] <KilosU> if you install synaptic
[06:50] <Cantide> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/how-to-install-ubuntus-new-web-apps-feature
[06:50] <KilosU> ya command line interface
[06:51] <Cantide> i used the instructions at that link
[06:51] <KilosU> in synaptic one can see what dependancies are and suggested extras
[06:51] <Cantide> oh, it told me what the dependencies are
[06:51] <Cantide> but i've no idea how to install them
[06:52] <Cantide> let me pastebin it..
[06:52] <KilosU> oh then install them first
[06:52] <KilosU> oh
[06:52] <KilosU> do you use aptitude?
[06:52] <Cantide> http://pastebin.com/jSGC8E9X
[06:53] <Cantide> yes
[06:53] <KilosU> use slexy.org
[06:53] <KilosU> eish
[06:53] <KilosU> pastebin sucks and takes forever to open here
[06:54] <Cantide> lol
[06:54] <Cantide> sorry :D
[06:54] <KilosU> Network problem
[06:54] <KilosU> Check that the address is spelled correctly, or try searching for the site.
[06:54] <KilosU> Search with Google
[06:54] <KilosU> always have probs with pastebin
[06:56] <KilosU> Cantide, you know what the dependancies are so use aptitude to install them as well as your package
[06:56] <KilosU> or are they pirate goodies
[06:57] <Cantide> i think they have been removed
[06:57] <KilosU> from the repos?
[06:57] <Cantide> maybe
[06:58] <KilosU> install synaptic and see if they are in there
[07:00] <Cantide> trying to get some help on #ubuntu
[07:00] <KilosU> whew thats a crazy channel
[07:00] <KilosU> i cant keep up there
[07:01] <not_found> try #ubuntu-beginners
[07:01] <not_found> less people
[07:01] <not_found> less chance for help too unfortunatly
[07:02] <KilosU> ai
[07:03] <Cantide> lol
[07:03] <Cantide> they're helping
[07:03] <Cantide> slowly but surely
[07:03] <not_found> cool :)
[07:03] <KilosU> nice
[07:16] <KilosU> do the -dbg packages do any debugging? or just supply the debugging symbols
[07:17] <KilosU> as in network-manager-dbg
[08:10] <KilosU> hi magespawn
[11:22] <KilosU> Maaz, coffee on
[11:22]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for KilosU!
[11:26] <KilosU> Maaz, ty
[11:26] <Maaz> You are welcome KilosU
[12:49] <zeref> hmmm
[12:51] <zeref> anybody here going to be using 12.03?
[12:51] <zeref> *12.10
[12:58] <charlvn> good afternoon
[12:58] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[12:58]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:59] <not_found> not sure about 12.10 vs 12.04... will seee
[13:00] <zeref> do you think it will be  a great improvemenst as 10.10 was over 10.04?
[13:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[13:12] <not_found> nah
[13:12] <not_found> 12.04 was the improvement over the ones before
[13:16] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:18] <Vince-0> gday
[13:19] <Vince-0> waiting for http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
[13:19] <not_found> ah that is today?!
[13:20] <not_found> if the site struggles go to youtube.com/live
[13:28] <charlvn> hi magespawn
[13:28] <charlvn> hi not_found, Vince-0
[13:29] <Vince-0> haai
[13:30] <charlvn> i don't hear any sound on that video
[13:30] <charlvn> is that the idea?
[13:31] <charlvn> not much happening either
[13:32] <charlvn> oh i see it only starts at 16:30 right?
[13:34] <charlvn> ooh nice - you can watch kenyan tv live on youtube http://youtu.be/5Y-hElPWJgQ
[13:44] <magespawn> hi charlvn
[13:45] <magespawn> does kenyan tv have programs worth watching?
[14:28] <charlvn> magespawn: i assume not :)
[14:28] <charlvn> magespawn: maybe on the odd occasion - but it's just cool to see
[14:28] <charlvn> kenya actually has a surprising amount of ict development compared to other african countries (including south africa)
[14:28] <magespawn> ahh right charlvn
[14:29] <charlvn> if you compare that to the general economic situation in the country which is actually pretty terrible
[14:29] <charlvn> i think the gdp per capita is a small fraction of that of south africa even
[14:29] <charlvn> last i checked
[14:29] <charlvn> but the country is surprisingly well connected and has a huge mobile penetration rate
[14:30] <charlvn> i spent a month there last year around august/september
[14:30] <magespawn> did they not develop a mobile payment system there?
[14:31] <charlvn> yup
[14:31] <charlvn> mpesa
[14:31] <magespawn> do you know what data costs there at what speeds?
[14:32] <charlvn> the speeds are not great but you can get hsdpa for very cheap
[14:32] <charlvn> there is an unlimited option which only costs a few euro per month
[14:32] <charlvn> you won't find any equivalent to that in europe at all
[14:32] <charlvn> here the hsdpa is outrageously expensive and usually come with limits on the amount of traffic you can do per monthj
[14:32] <charlvn> *month
[14:33] <charlvn> 300MB even, or a few GB on the more expensive packages
[14:33] <magespawn> indeed fair usage policy
[14:33] <charlvn> fair usage policy?
[14:34] <magespawn> thats what the cell companies call it on the uncapped data bundles like BIS
[14:34] <magespawn> you get to use up to a certain amount then they throttle your speed
[14:36] <charlvn> hmmm
[14:36] <charlvn> what is strange though is that i can't find the pricing back on the site now
[14:36] <charlvn> http://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/internet/data-bundles/prepay-databundles
[14:36] <charlvn> i can't find the pricing on the unlimited bundles now
[14:38] <charlvn> hmmm, seems like they took those down - haha!
[14:38] <magespawn> maybe they did not make enough on those
[14:39] <charlvn> it used to cost 3000 kenyan shillings per month for unlimited data
[14:39] <charlvn> that's around 27 euro
[14:39] <charlvn> at the current exchange rate
[14:41] <magespawn> so about 300 rand
[14:41] <charlvn> yeah but i pay twice that per month for my cable :P
[14:42] <charlvn> ah here is the cable in kenya: http://www.zuku.co.ke/
[14:43] <charlvn> for about 90 euro you get 20mbps
[14:43] <charlvn> http://www.zuku.co.ke/triple-play/triple-play-packages.html
[14:51] <zeref> hmmmm
[14:51] <zeref> ok, so i'm using sqlite, and all of a sudden, I can't update the sqlite database
[14:52] <zeref> i keep getting "Databese locked" error
[14:52] <zeref> never happened before
[14:53] <magespawn> do not know that much about sqlite
[14:55] <magespawn> superfly might be able to help
[14:56] <superfly> zeref: close everything down, open your db with the command line sqlite3 tool, and run "VACUUM" on each of your tables
[14:56] <superfly> I think that's how I solved it the last time
[14:58] <zeref> superfly: is it a pernament solution?
[14:58] <superfly> zeref: well, it cleans up the db
[15:05] <zeref> oh dear
[15:05] <zeref> what just happened there
[15:06] <zeref> superfly: does vacumm remove all records from the database?
[15:06] <zeref> or just unlock it?
[15:16] <magespawn> later all
[15:19] <charlvn> magespawn: later
[15:22] <superfly> zeref: no, it cleans up tables
[15:25] <charlvn> countdown!!!
[15:27] <KilosU> hmm
[15:28] <charlvn> youtube is having trouble keeping up it seems
[15:28] <charlvn> i get buffering every now and then
[15:43] <KilosU> what you watching charlvn ?
[15:51] <charlvn> KilosU: the red bull stratos launch
[15:51] <charlvn> they are in the air now, high up
[15:51] <charlvn> now to wait for the fall :)
[15:51] <charlvn> you can follow it live on youtube if you have the internet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[15:52] <KilosU> nope
[15:52] <KilosU> more important stuff to use data for
[16:18] <KilosU> superfly, can you give me a shout when you have some time please.
[16:18] <KilosU> i got arno in but cant ping google from pc2
[16:18] <KilosU> pc1 can ping pc2 and vice versa
[16:19] <superfly> KilosU: can PC2 ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[16:19] <KilosU> network is unreachable
[16:19] <KilosU> where you get <IP_ADDRESS> from?
[16:22] <KilosU> route -n is http://slexy.org/view/s2aVzkwdAj
[16:22] <smile4ever> Bright eyes! :) How can you close & fail? :)
[16:22] <smile4ever> Bright eyes! :) How can you close & fail? :)
[16:23] <KilosU> hi smile4ever
[16:23] <smile4ever> hi KilosU :)
[16:23] <smile4ever> your nick changed :p
[16:23] <KilosU> ya its my unity drive here
[16:24] <KilosU> so i dont get kde help here
[16:25] <KilosU> other one is KilosK so i dont get gnome help there
[16:27] <superfly> KilosU: what is route -n on PC2?
[16:30] <smile4ever> I see :)
[16:30] <smilE> I'm using Enlightenment ;)
[16:31] <KilosU> superfly,   http://slexy.org/view/s2sdPqk98h
[16:31] <smilE> why is it called genmask and not submask? :p
[16:31] <KilosU> it says use interface eth2
[16:31] <KilosU> is that the prob?
[16:32] <smilE> Normally it is eth0 I think ;)
[16:32] <superfly> KilosU: no. what is PC1's IP address?
[16:32] <smilE> here, i'm using eth1 because of a failure with the built-in eth0 :P
[16:32] <KilosU> <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:32] <KilosU> pc2 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:33] <superfly> KilosU: "sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:33] <KilosU> on pc2 superfly ?
[16:33] <superfly> yes
[16:35] <KilosU> i think thats it superfly
[16:36] <superfly> KilosU: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[16:36] <KilosU> it pinged www.google.com
[16:36] <KilosU> must it give many lines of info
[16:36] <KilosU> gives one
[16:37] <KilosU> with <IP_ADDRESS> and www.google.com
[16:37] <smilE> <IP_ADDRESS> is Google DNS o;O
[16:37] <smilE> :o
[16:38] <KilosU> ah
[16:38] <KilosU> still only shows one line, before it said network unreachable
[16:40] <KilosU> oh no report on packet loss so didnt go there
[16:45] <KilosU> nope superfly dont work but doesnt say net unavailable anymore
[16:45] <KilosU> so we moved one step forward
[16:46] <superfly> KilosU: can you show me the output of the ping command please?
[16:46] <KilosU> superfly,  PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[17:08] <inetpro> good evening
[17:09] <KilosU> hi inetpro
[17:09]  * inetpro watching the #livejump
[17:09] <inetpro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[17:09] <inetpro> almost 4million peeps watching right now
[17:10]  * inetpro watching at 240p to reduce bw utilisation
[17:12] <inetpro> now at almost 95,000 ft of the 120,000 ft
[17:12] <KilosU> inetpro, who is jumping so far?
[17:13] <KilosU> or what?
[17:13] <inetpro> KilosU: Felix Baumgartner going to jump at 120,000 ft
[17:13] <inetpro> freefall from the edge of space
[17:13] <KilosU> sjoe
[17:14] <inetpro> trying to break the sound barrier in a 120,000 ft jump over New Mexico
[17:14] <inetpro> will be a new record
[17:15] <inetpro> very very interesting
[17:16] <inetpro> now over 30km above earth
[17:17] <inetpro> 100,000 ft
[17:22]  * KilosU thinks falling off the bed is too far to fall
[17:24] <inetpro> roflol
[17:25] <inetpro> +4.5m peeps watching now
[17:25] <inetpro> on youtube
[17:25] <KilosU> wow all that lovely data
[17:26] <inetpro> 33km up
[17:27] <KilosU> sjoe
[17:28] <inetpro> 110,000 ft now
[17:29] <smilE> no :o
[17:29] <smilE> 111 000 :)
[17:32] <inetpro> record of highest manned balloon flight now broken, 113,740 ft
[17:41] <inetpro> now +120,000 ft
[17:42] <inetpro> almost getting ready to jump
[17:48] <smile4ever> They are to high now :p
[17:52] <inetpro> +6.2m viewers on youtube
[17:52] <inetpro> tension rising as he goes through the checklist
[17:53] <zeref> heh, what i'm iI missing out on?
[17:55] <inetpro> zeref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[17:55] <zeref> ta
[18:02] <magespawn> none of it is supported on mobile devices
[18:03] <inetpro> magespawn: that is sad
[18:03]  * inetpro was looking for such a link previoulsy as well
[18:03] <magespawn> ahh well such is life
[18:04] <inetpro> door opened
[18:04] <magespawn> just have to watch the recorded one
[18:06] <magespawn> did they say how long the free fall would be?
[18:07] <smile4ever> keep your eyes open :D
[18:07] <inetpro> there he goes, 7.5m peeps watching
[18:08] <zeref> fail internet is fail
[18:09] <KilosU> ai
[18:09] <zeref> will have to watch the recorded version
[18:11] <smile4ever> zeref :(
[18:11] <smile4ever> almost 8 million people
[18:11] <smile4ever> :)
[18:17] <magespawn> have you guys noticed the visitor in #linux-studies?
[18:19] <KilosU> thats a very poisonous kinda snake if i member right
[18:19] <inetpro> all done
[18:19] <KilosU> is he down inetpro ?
[18:19] <inetpro> yep
[18:19] <KilosU> did he make the sound barrier bit
[18:21] <KilosU> ty for the running commentory
[18:23]  * inetpro stopped watching now
[18:23] <inetpro> that was more than 200MB
[18:23] <inetpro> KilosU: I'm not sure about the sound barrier, will have get that confirmation
[18:24] <inetpro> went way to quick for me
[18:24] <Kerbero> yeah
[18:24] <KilosU> sjoe
[18:25] <Kerbero> my phone rang just before he jumped, got back and his shoot was open
[18:25] <KilosU> it will be on the news on idiot box sometime
[18:25] <Kerbero> way too quick
[18:25] <inetpro> amazing!
[18:26]  * inetpro still feeling some pressure
[18:26] <inetpro> so many things that could have gone wrong
[18:27] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:27]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:27] <KilosU> Maaz, coffee please
[18:27] <Maaz> KilosU: Sure
[18:27] <KilosU> and a valium for inetpro
[18:28] <inetpro> I been following the story for some time but almost missed it today
[18:28] <KilosU> next bi thing is breaking the landspeed record
[18:29] <KilosU> will be in 2013 on one of our flats inna desert
[18:29] <KilosU> they reckon they gonna top 1000 mph
[18:29] <inetpro> KilosU: interesting, who and where?
[18:30] <KilosU> i watched it on tv about 2 hours ago on carteblanche i think
[18:30] <not_found> who watched the jump?!!
[18:30] <inetpro> not_found: eh!
[18:30] <not_found> the highest jump ever made by a person?
[18:31] <not_found> from 38 freaking km up?!!
[18:31] <inetpro> not_found: yep
[18:31] <not_found> was brilliant :)
[18:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and KilosU!
[18:31] <inetpro> o/
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: ta
[18:31] <Maaz> Dis 'n groot plesier
[18:31] <not_found> hi inetpro ... and all
[18:31] <not_found> was thinking oh oh when he was spinning
[18:32] <inetpro> not_found: that was just awesome!
[18:32] <not_found> best movie I have seen all year... several years :p
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: last tweet from workaholicblake
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: No such twit
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: last tweet by workaholicblake
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: No such twit
[18:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:34] <inetpro> he says; "The irony is, #LiveJump has categorically proven that Red Bull does not give you wings. "
[18:34] <inetpro> :-)
[18:34] <not_found> haha
[18:34] <not_found> well he did go pretty high initially
[18:35] <not_found> seems this broke the net... no youtube loading.. even online game crashing out
[18:36] <inetpro> even kilos is gone
[18:37] <not_found> wow... the end of the internet...
[18:37] <Kerbero> haha
[18:37] <not_found> k me reboot... windows can't handle the awesome
[18:37] <Kerbero> redbull crashed internet :P
[18:37] <not_found> if anything can I guess it would be them
[18:41] <not_found> ah game is back youtube still down
[18:44] <magespawn> does anyone know if they are going to put up the recording?
[18:45] <not_found> should be several vids coming up... edited etc...
[18:46] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm sure you will read and see lots of it in delayed fashion even on TV
[18:46] <magespawn> they did not show the full video of his test jump
[18:46] <Tonberry> ok who killed youtube?
[18:46]  * inetpro loves the realtime world
[18:46] <inetpro> Tonberry: was me
[18:46] <magespawn> do not have/watch tv
[18:47] <inetpro> oops Tonberry, I meant not me :-)
[18:47] <inetpro> I stopped watching a while after he landed
[18:47] <Tonberry> i'm not even trying to watch the jump
[18:48] <magespawn> that must have set some sort of record for live views of one event
[18:48] <inetpro> the largest number of live viewers I noticed was just over 7.5m as he was jumping
[18:49] <inetpro> wb KilosU
[18:49] <KilosU> grrr
[18:49] <KilosU> fiddle with eth cable and 8ta disappears
[18:49] <KilosU> ty inetpro
[18:50] <KilosU> need info
[18:50] <KilosU> tablet and lg android fone
[18:50] <KilosU> need a cable to connect them
[18:51] <KilosU> will be usb to usb but the same as the usb in pc
[18:51] <KilosU> male I think
[18:52] <inetpro> KilosU: wth are you trying now?
[18:53] <KilosU> what would one call the cable that can connect 2 flash drives together
[18:53] <magespawn> not sure that is even possible
[18:53]  * inetpro has never even given that a thought
[18:55] <magespawn> you might need to custom make something like that, and then it might not communicate without custom software
[18:56] <Kerbero> the hardware needs to support it first
[18:56] <Tonberry> i'm reasonably sure it is not possible
[18:56] <Kerbero> the tablet needs to be able to do usb host mode
[18:56] <Tonberry> ok tablet to tablet case maybe
[18:56] <Tonberry> not flashdrive to flashdrive...
[18:57] <Kilos-> its the easiest way to explain what it must be
[18:57] <Kilos-> its to connect a tablet to a lg android
[18:57] <Kerbero> Kilos-: google to see if the tablet can be a usb host
[19:01] <magespawn> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/34741/can-an-android-tablet-serve-as-usb-host-and-be-charged-simultaneously-through-a
[19:04]  * inetpro agrees with Tonberry that flashdrive to flashdrive does not make sense at all
[19:04] <inetpro> but even tablet to mobile sounds like a mission
[19:04] <magespawn> i think KilosU was just using it to describe the connectors
[19:05] <inetpro> ok
[19:05] <Kilos-> inetpro, its just to explain what ends the cable must have
[19:05] <Kilos-> i dunno if its male or female
[19:05] <Kerbero> Kilos-: you want to use the phone's internet on the tablet?
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos-: I guess you mean mini-USB to mini-USB?
[19:06] <Kilos-> she says same plugs that will accept sticks on both sides
[19:06] <Kilos-> so standard size usb
[19:06] <inetpro> interesting
[19:06] <Kerbero> that is with the normal usb cables already attached
[19:07] <Kerbero> so three cables in total connected end to end
[19:07] <Kerbero> makes sense
[19:07] <Kilos-> she will most likely use the fone to pc cable into one end of the new cable
[19:07] <Kerbero> but, Kilos-, is it for internet?
[19:07] <Kilos-> sec ill see if she answeres on mxit
[19:07] <Kerbero> ok
[19:10] <Kilos-> its to connect a memory stick to the tablet Kerbero
[19:10] <Kerbero> hmm
[19:12] <Kilos-> she reckons they are available overseas but not in sa?
[19:12] <Kerbero> well i see something similar for another tablet
[19:12] <Kerbero> http://www.androidcentral.com/how-use-your-usb-flash-drives-nexus-7-root
[19:12] <Kerbero> but as i said, you need to make sure the tablet can be a usb host
[19:12] <Kerbero> the usb chipset inside the tablet needs to support it first
[19:13] <Kilos-> will tell her
[19:35]  * inetpro tuning in to listen to the conference at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[19:36] <inetpro> hmm... not a lot happening there yet
[19:39] <magespawn> inetpro what conference is that? not opening for me
[19:39] <magespawn> okay just got it now
[19:40] <inetpro> magespawn: interviews
[19:40] <inetpro> sorry "press conference"
[19:42] <inetpro> looks like there's another delay
[19:42] <Kilos-> Kerbero, gimme a shout when you have time to try sort this network please
[19:42] <Kerbero> tomorrow maybe
[19:42] <Kilos-> when its suits you
[19:43] <Kilos-> got them pinging each other but cant get out with pc2
[19:46] <magespawn> that stick mount looke like you can use it to mount external storage, so you could link a phone and a tablet
[19:47] <Kilos-> thats what she wants to do magespawn
[19:47] <Kilos-> use a stick on the tablet
[19:48] <magespawn> you would need a usb cable with micro on one side with the female on the other
[19:49] <magespawn> stickmount from the play store
[19:49] <magespawn> cool
[19:50] <Kilos-> what will use the micro side?
[19:50] <magespawn> if you need to make one you can find the pin out on the net
[19:50] <magespawn> the tablet
[19:51] <Kilos-> oh isnt tablet standard usb?
[19:51] <magespawn> not usually
[19:51] <magespawn> what tablet is it?
[19:51] <Kilos-> itab sis says
[19:51] <Kilos-> is there such a thig
[19:51] <Kilos-> thing
[19:52] <magespawn> not sure
[19:52] <magespawn> ipad maybe?
[19:52] <Kilos-> most of the info i get is second hand via sister
[19:53] <magespawn> if you can the make/model that will help
[19:53] <Kilos-> i have asked 3 times
[19:53] <magespawn> lol
[19:53] <Kilos-> no reply as yet
[19:53] <magespawn> cool no worries
[19:54] <Kilos-> women
[19:56] <Kilos-> lol magespawn why didnt you chat to the guy on the study channel?
[19:57] <magespawn> am there now
[19:57] <Kilos-> funny okey
[19:57] <charlvn> good evening
[19:57] <charlvn> konbanwa minasan
[19:57] <Kilos-> hi charlvn
[19:58] <charlvn> hi Kilos-
[19:58] <magespawn> hi charlvn
[19:58] <charlvn> hi magespawn
[19:58] <charlvn> i stopped watching the red bull event thing, got bored after a while and then started watching anime
[19:58] <charlvn> there are so many new good series coming out at the moment
[19:58] <Kilos-> magespawn, its a vodafone tablet
[19:58] <charlvn> the previous season was somewhat disappointing
[19:59] <magespawn> huawei?
[20:00] <magespawn> maybe get them to stick a picture up or something?
[20:01] <Kilos-> she says vodafone tablet
[20:01] <magespawn> just need to try and pin down what model, so we can find out if it hardware support it?
[20:03] <Kilos-> sis just foned her awake will try get a pic from her tomorrow
[20:03] <Kilos-> sigh
[20:04] <magespawn> cool probable a huawei
[20:04] <Kilos-> ty magespawn
[20:04] <Kilos-> vodafone smarttab 10
[20:07] <Kilos-> magespawn, where would you find the make
[20:07] <Kilos-> not behind battery like a cell
[20:07] <magespawn> no let me google that
[20:12] <Kilos-> is sudo aptitude same on redhat as on bebian?
[20:13] <charlvn> no redhat has yum
[20:13] <Kilos-> are your cli commands the same i mean
[20:13] <Kilos-> ohy my
[20:13] <charlvn> actually i don't know what the new official redhat has, i normally only use fedora or centos
[20:13] <Kilos-> so you cant use gedit
[20:13] <charlvn> i use oracle linux for something and that's basically almost a copy of redhat
[20:13] <charlvn> but redhat-based distro's use only rpm (equivalent of dpkg) and yum (equivalent of apt)
[20:14] <Kilos-> this is on PCLinuxOS
[20:14] <charlvn> gedit? i'm sure there must be a package for it
[20:14] <charlvn> gedit is so standard
[20:14] <not_found> 8.1 mill views and the tubes are back
[20:14] <charlvn> not_found: what do you mean?
[20:15] <magespawn> found this http://www.gsmarena.com/vodafone_smart_tab_10-4527.php
[20:15] <not_found> oh the views of the jump
[20:15] <not_found> live ppl watching I saw go over 8 mil
[20:15] <magespawn> and this http://www.vodafone.com/content/index/about/what/devices/vodafone_smart_tab.html
[20:18] <Kilos-> so what is it then?
[20:20] <magespawn> brb Kilos-
[20:21] <Kilos-> k
[20:22] <magespawn> looks like it is one made for vodafone, i will need to dig a bit deeper. i will have a look from the shop tomorrow
[20:23] <Kilos-> np magespawn ty
[20:23] <Kilos-> kinda crash time hey?
[20:24] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[20:24] <inetpro> not_found: interesting, thanks
[20:24] <magespawn> later all good night
[20:26] <charlvn> not_found: wow! not bad
[20:27] <charlvn> not_found: the video stream dropped frequently with me though
[20:27] <charlvn> not_found: then i just got buffering and i had to reload the page to start it back up again
[20:28] <charlvn> nn
[20:31] <inetpro> cool, looks like we have something coming up now
[20:31] <inetpro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[20:38] <inetpro> wow!
[20:38] <inetpro> impressive speed
[20:38] <inetpro> Felix Baumgartner fell 119,846 ft before his parachute opened
[20:39] <inetpro> Max velocity 373 meters/second
[20:39] <inetpro> 1348 km/h
[20:41] <inetpro> Mach 1.24
[20:42] <not_found> happened to me once
[20:42] <not_found> awesome... was wondering abou tthe speed
[20:42] <not_found> so 3 out of 4 records
[20:43] <not_found> night all


[00:10] <mhb> hey folks, anyone awake?
[00:11] <mhb> nixternal maybe?
[00:12] <crimsun> idle     : 0 days 1 hours 16 mins 25 secs
[00:12] <mhb> hrm
[00:12] <mhb> anyone else?
[00:13] <Riddell> a bit
[00:13] <mhb> hmm, no, don't want to bother you :o)
[00:13] <Riddell> mhb: you could try the kde4* metapackages in hardy
[00:15] <mhb> Riddell: should I test something or was that related to my previous questions?
[00:15] <mhb> Riddell: aanyway, for a good night picture, take a look at: http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/889/restrictedmanagerkde4tz5.png
[00:15] <Riddell> previous question
[00:15] <Riddell> ching ching
[00:15] <Riddell> nice restricted manager
[00:16] <mhb> pitti is working hard on a new upgraded version, so I figured before I create a KDE frontend for it, I might as well do a KDE4 frontend for the current one.
[00:19] <DaSkreech> Yay!
[00:19] <DaSkreech> LInux ! :)
[00:29] <vorian> yay!
[00:30] <vorian> only one more working day till christmas!1!1
[00:30] <DaSkreech> My company has been unoffically off for a while
[00:30] <vorian> must be nice :)
[00:31] <vorian> I'm a retailer
[00:37] <mhb> now we have Konquered the Planet!
[00:38] <mhb> finally
[00:38] <mhb> too bad it's just planet.ubuntu.com
[00:38] <DaSkreech> We did?
[00:38] <DaSkreech> what happened/
[00:39] <mhb> just take a look
[00:39] <DaSkreech> I've been out of the loop for like two weeks
[00:42] <DaSkreech> That is a lot of Blue posts
[00:43] <mhb> DaSkreech: so you were out for two weeks?
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Yes
[00:43] <mhb> that means the news have not hit you yet
[00:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal was saying last night(?) that we are shipping both on the next release?
[00:44] <mhb> DaSkreech: the current plan is, we're going to have to CD images
[00:45] <mhb> one of them will be the "stable" one, with KDE3 as originally planned
[00:45] <mhb> this one will be fully supported
[00:45] <DaSkreech> Right
[00:45] <mhb> on the other hand, the second CD will be with KDE4 desktop (and some KDE3 apps), that would be only community-supported, but we'd ship the KDE4 one via ShipIt
[00:45] <DaSkreech> And one with KDE4 which is "community supported'
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Seriously/
[00:46] <DaSkreech> That's interesting
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Who OKed that?
[00:46] <mhb> Seriously. Unless someone changes our plans again.
[00:46] <mhb> well, we had a meeting today.
[00:46] <mhb> so the whole team, basically.
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Shipit eh?
[00:47] <mhb> yeah
[00:47] <crimsun> mhb: hmm, so there will be a Kubuntu 8.04 LTS that ships 3.5.x?
[00:47] <DaSkreech> What about corporate requests?
[00:47] <DaSkreech> Do they get KDE4 or 3 by default ?
[00:47] <mhb> well I guess we cannot really ship two kinds of CDs
[00:47] <DaSkreech> crimsun: far as I recall that was always the idea
[00:47] <mhb> but they can download the KDE3 image.
[00:47] <mhb> crimsun: well, it won't be called "LTS"
[00:47] <DaSkreech> KDE4 doesn't slay KDE3 upon stepping on the red carpet
[00:48] <crimsun> mhb: ok, so just the more common 18-mn support?
[00:48] <DaSkreech> As it probably shouldn't be
[00:48] <mhb> crimsun: yes, but we'll still pretend it is an LTS.
[00:48]  * DaSkreech laughs
[00:48] <mhb> crimsun: you know, it wasn't the Kubuntu team who decided that we won't have an LTS.
[00:48] <DaSkreech> in terms of polish?
[00:49] <mhb> I hope so.
[00:49] <DaSkreech> Thats going to be nasty
[00:49] <DaSkreech> we have our butts being toasted by a KDE4 release AND framework
[00:49] <DaSkreech> how are we going to get place for polish?
[00:49] <mhb> I'm more interested in the KDE4 side of things, but others would like to have a really polished KDE3.
[00:50] <DaSkreech> mhb: That's the point Eyes are on the KDE4 release but people really want to use the KDE3
[00:50] <DaSkreech> and Gutsy wasn't that grand >_<
[00:50] <mhb> DaSkreech: many of the KDE3 apps will have to be present on the KDE4 cd.
[00:50] <DaSkreech> Many?
[00:50] <mhb> DaSkreech: like adept, amarok, kaffeine, digikam...
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Is that quantative or just a personal note
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Digikam in 4 isn't usable ?
[00:51] <crimsun> mhb: I prefer the technical bits to the political bits. :)
[00:51] <mhb> crimsun: hehe :o) me too.
[00:51] <mhb> good choice.
[00:51] <mhb> DaSkreech: it's not ready.
[00:52] <mhb> from what I've heard
[00:52] <DaSkreech> crimsun: aren't we discussing the technical now?
[00:52] <DaSkreech> mhb: Well maybe see how much needs to be done before next year april ?
[00:52] <DaSkreech> Amarok as well
[00:52] <DaSkreech> adept and kaffeine I'll go with
[00:53] <DaSkreech> though it would be grand if we could get a tiny community around adept simply because of a Qt4 port
[00:53] <crimsun> DaSkreech: (that was in response to "it wasn't the Kubuntu team who decided..."
[00:53] <mhb> the problem with KDE3 is, the more we polish it, the more we are going to regret it later
[00:53] <DaSkreech> It's needed love for a long time this would be a good time to get 4 or so people really involved
[00:54] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Ah right. well regardless which we shipped it should not be an LTS
[00:54] <DaSkreech> we can do an LTS for 8.10
[00:54] <mhb> it's like when I had to choose whether buy a MacBook now or wait for the newer model ... if I bought it right away, I would have been happy ATM, but later I'd regret it.
[00:54]  * DaSkreech shrugs
[00:54] <DaSkreech> Not that big a deal
[00:55] <mhb> right, but some people prefer to wait
[00:55] <mhb> that's why I prefer porting apps to KDE4 over polishing KDE3.
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah and I'm saying that they will be in anycase so we should look to capitalize on it :)
[00:56] <DaSkreech> If adept is going to be rewritten it might as well be slightly rethought
[00:56] <DaSkreech> and if it's going to be rethought then it might as well have a meeting of minds
[00:56] <mhb> DaSkreech: well we're not really set on rewriting it
[00:57] <mhb> we are still hoping PackageKit would have a Qt4 frontend
[00:57] <mhb> which can be used
[00:57]  * DaSkreech still isn't sold on packageKit :(
[00:57]  * mhb neither, but that's the plan
[00:57] <mhb> actually I think package management should be done over the Internet
[00:58] <mhb> searching for the packages online in a web app, then clicking on a link like apt://install/konqueror and the backend would do the rest.
[00:58] <DaSkreech> You mean Klik:/ don't you ?
[00:59] <mhb> not really.
[00:59] <mhb> I dislike the model where you actually have to download the app from an untrusted source.
[00:59] <mhb> repositories are a good thing.
[01:00] <DaSkreech> Klik2:/ then
[01:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:00] <mhb> this way, it is the equivalent of running "sudo apt-get install konqueror", but you'd click it
[01:00] <mhb> klik2 is not known to me
[01:00] <DaSkreech> :-) Well it's roughly that you want
[01:01] <DaSkreech> or KGHNS :)
[01:01] <mhb> DaSkreech: you know, try apt://thunderbird/ in Firefox or Konqueror hardy sometime
[01:01] <mhb> you might be surprised
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Did in Konqui have not tried in firefox
[01:02] <mhb> firefox should do it too
[01:02] <mhb> AFAIK
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Well it's a KIOslave so maybe not
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Firefox and Adobe are kinda stick in the muds
[01:04] <mhb> what I wanted to say is that I don't see any future in the traditional package management
[01:04] <mhb> web offers flexibility (translations, pictures, videos, comments, use cases, whatever)
[01:04] <mhb> so the old searching via Adept is a thing of the past.
[01:04] <DaSkreech> I like the searching in adept
[01:05] <mhb> you are a strange man
[01:05] <mhb> :o)
[01:05]  * mhb goes to sleep
[01:06]  * DaSkreech smiles. As has been noted. mhb thanks I'll catch up with you next year
[01:07] <mhb> hehe
[01:07] <mhb> I was just joking, you are alright
[01:08] <DaSkreech> YAY!
[01:08] <DaSkreech> I get to reinstall
[01:08] <DaSkreech> This is wonderful
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know of anything delayed beyond KDE 4.1 ?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> mhb: ping
[01:13] <DaSkreech> ok hopefully someone will be awake by the time I get home
[01:18] <DaSkreech> I just wanted to know what will be the procedure for the Hardy testing/dev cycle should we be doing a kubuntu3-desktop or a kubuntu4-desktop ?
[01:18] <DaSkreech> in much fewer otherwords what should be tested as the default ?
[01:20]  * DaSkreech prods nixternal to get his posts on drakeplanet
[01:41] <nixternal> oy vey, to much to drink
[01:59]  * claydoh wonders how long KDE will support 3.5x
[01:59]  * claydoh can't remember how long they supported 2x in the migration to kde3
[02:09] <nixternal> they didn't support 2 to long after 3
[02:12] <claydoh> I wonder if that is an issue
[02:13] <claydoh> I also remember wanting kde over kde2 (was a Lycoris user back then) :)
[02:13] <claydoh> s/kde/kde3
[03:23] <santiago-ve> yay! finally an updated system
[03:23] <santiago-ve> :D
[03:30] <Knightlust> arrgghh, dec22 alternate build fails on select and install software, i think i need to use alpha2 to install my hardy
[03:31] <santiago-ve> Knightlust: can you please open a dolphin window and tellme what the title bar says?
[03:31] <santiago-ve> it says d3lphin here <.<
[03:32] <Knightlust> santiago-ve: i have an unusable system, gotta wait before i have my alpha2.. will update you when i do
[03:33] <santiago-ve> nvm... its a bug i guess...  gonna report
[03:33] <santiago-ve> Knightlust: that makes 2 of us... i cant use my desktop pc...
[03:34] <Knightlust> heh, i wonder who else has an unusable system...
[08:35] <\sh> moins
[08:40] <\sh> nixternal, thanks for uploading
[11:37] <\sh> hmm...if kde4 is released on 11th of January..this would be cool...turning 37 and kde4 hopefully released
[12:25] <mhb> hello
[12:26] <\sh> moins
[12:34] <mhb> I guess at kdedevelopers.org only KDE developers can reply, right?
[12:46] <\sh> mhb, no...you need to register though
[12:46] <\sh> mhb, want to comment on beineris post?
[12:48] <mhb> \sh: well I registered there once, then my account was deleted like within seconds
[12:48] <mhb> so I guess they didn't want me there.
[12:49] <mhb> his theories may be right, but he says that we are going to have an alternative "KDE4", and that is incorrect.
[12:49] <mhb> we are actually having a main "KDE4" and an alternative "KDE3".
[12:50] <\sh> mhb, I think you didn't understand beineri...what he meant is that "why can't we do an LTS with KDE3 as default for 5 years, while having kde4 on board as alternative for developers...waiting for kde4.1 as real replacement for kde3"
[12:51] <mhb> I know what he was trying to say
[12:51] <mhb> but he actually misinterpreted what we announced.
[12:54] <\sh> mhb, as I said yesterday...what was announced sounds like crap...and will be misinterpreted by many more people and companies and institutions...marketing is one area where Canonical needs to improve their skills imho
[12:55] <\sh> mhb, s/crap/excuse/
[12:55] <mhb> I understand.
[12:55] <mhb> it's their fault, they actually forced Riddell to announce it, and have not had any official announcement done by the press team.
[12:56] <\sh> mhb, that's why beineri was writing "Am I the only one who sees a growing discrepancy between Mark Shuttleworth, Patron of KDE as individual and who promised last year at LinuxTag to not treat KDE second class to GNOME, and what his company Canonical is actually doing?"
[12:57] <\sh> mhb, we had this discussion during LT2006 in Wiesbaden with the whole board of KDE e.V. and mark sitting at the round table to stop treating kde as second class citizen
[12:58] <mhb> well he's right at this
[12:58] <mhb> I'm not criticising him for that, I said at the beginning: "his theories may be correct"
[12:59] <\sh> mhb, I'll add a comment
[13:00] <mhb> I want the users to know that we're shipping KDE4 on the "official" CD and KDE3 as an alternative
[13:00] <mhb> that's it
[13:00] <mhb> otherwise, I'm fine with discussing Canonical's approach
[13:00] <mhb> I actually agree with some of the points
[13:01] <mhb> \sh: I wrote him an email, let's see what happens.
[13:01] <mhb> hi jpatrick
[13:01] <mhb> and hi Jucato
[13:02] <jpatrick> hey mhb
[13:02] <jpatrick> what's up?
[13:03] <mhb> the news about Kubuntu not being LTS spread
[13:03] <jpatrick> obviously
[13:03] <mhb> and many people misinterpreted what we said
[13:04] <mhb> for example that we're shipping KDE4 as default on the official CDs.
[13:04] <jpatrick> aren't we?
[13:04] <\sh> mhb, I just add a comment
[13:04] <Jucato> hi mhb
[13:05] <Jucato> this whole LTS/KDE4/KDE3 thing seems to be sending different (confusing) signals to people...
[13:05]  * Jucato thinks we need to make an official announcement soonish...
[13:05] <\sh> Jucato, "we" can't make an official announcement
[13:06] <Jucato> so what can we do?
[13:07] <Jucato> well, an announcement of our KDE4 and KDE3 plans for Hardy. (not necessarily on the "no LTS" part)
[13:07] <\sh> Jucato, force Canonical to announce it officially...and pushing all the blame to the Canonical Management ;)
[13:07] <Jucato> ah heheh :)
[13:07] <Jucato> that woul
[13:07] <Jucato> would be great :)
[13:08] <\sh> na seriously ... from the marketing PoV it would be better we would do the LTS release...even with KDE4 in main, Canonical can stop the LTS support for special packages in main with the release announcement and in their contracts
[13:08] <\sh> this would be no problem..it's just a sales issue
[13:10] <mhb> still, an announcement on kubuntu.org regarding our approach to KDE4 would be rad
[13:10] <mhb> so people stop saying we only ship KDE4 as an alternative
[13:10] <Jucato> what I really find ironic is that all these theoretically doesn't really change the KDE4 plans we had (IMHO). It has always been the plan to have a "special" KDE4 release/CD iirc, alongside the regular KDE 3 release. The only thing that changed is that now we have the chance (a.k.a. excuse) to focus more on KDE4 :)
[13:10] <Jucato> but now it's like everyone's saying "yay! Kubuntu's going to have KDE 4. a nice christmas gift!"
[13:10] <\sh> the real problem is, IMHO, that there are not enough (paid) resources for supporting KDE in Ubuntu at all, that's the only point which I could agree on for this decision
[13:11] <Jucato> \sh: I don't think there was any to begin with... :(
[13:12] <\sh> Jucato, when you think about how long it took to get kde3 mature enough for production use..kde4 will have a long way ahead
[13:12] <mhb> I wonder what our wise leader thinks
[13:12] <Jucato> \sh: even the devs emphasize that. but of course they are also very eager to just get KDE 4 of the ground first :)
[13:12] <\sh> Jucato, during the beginning of Kubuntu, it was meant to be only as community driven release of Ubuntu with KDE...since hoary it was settled to have an official release of Ubuntu with KDE as default desktop
[13:12] <mhb> hehe, Riddell sounds a bit like leader backwards
[13:13] <Jucato> nice one mhb :)
[13:13] <Jucato> \sh: so I've read/heard. I was 2 releases late into the history of Kubuntu (only started w/ Breezy)
[13:15] <\sh> Jucato, well, hoary was the first official release of kubuntu, when I remember correctly..during this time chris halls and amu left canonical as paid devs
[13:17] <\sh> anyways, there is no way of being p*ssed off with anyone...not even Canonical. because the decision to not make an LTS now is correct, regarding the fact that the support will be in a critical state
[13:17] <Jucato> I'm not really annoyed at the decision per se. but at how it was arrived at or communicated to us
[13:18] <Jucato> I respect the TB's/Canonical's authority on this, but it would have been really nice if they had given us a heads up :)
[13:20] <mhb> do you know whether Tonio will port the kdesudo to KDE4?
[13:21] <Jucato> hm... I was meaning to ask him, specially since I saw a bit of discussion about changes in kdesu a while back
[13:22] <\sh> hmm..what needs to be ported to kde4 still? especially our self made kubuntu apps ?
[13:22] <Jucato> although it would probably be nice if upstream's kdesu is the one that should support both su and sudo properly...
[13:22] <Jucato> kde-guidance I think
[13:23] <Jucato> adept (ew?)
[13:23] <Jucato> at least system settings has been lifted from our shoulders :)
[13:23] <mhb> not adept
[13:23] <Jucato> goodie... (or not)
[13:23] <mhb> let's keep Adept in KDE3 and hope that for Hardy+1 PackageKitQt will be ready
[13:24] <Jucato> or something else that's better....
[13:24] <mhb> yes.
[13:24] <\sh> mhb, +1 :) I don't like adept ;)
[13:24] <Jucato> oh wait, kpackage is getting updated/maintained again iirc
[13:24] <Jucato> imho kpackage is actually good/better than adept if it were only maintained...
[13:24] <mhb> kde-guidance, kdesudo, gdebi (kind of my task), restricted-manager (mine again)
[13:25]  * Jucato likes the fact that you can do simple browsing w/o having to sudo in kpackage
[13:25] <mhb> it'd be lovely if somebody actually did the other two :o)
[13:25] <Jucato> hm... adept wouldn't be half as bad if it had cleaner code and a better UI...
[13:25] <Jucato> hm.. that basically means rewriting it :)
[13:26] <mhb> yes.
[13:26]  * Jucato still can't get over the fact that Adept's main/most important class is called TestApp :D
[13:26] <Jucato> or Application. depends on which file you look...
[13:26] <\sh> ah hell
[13:27] <Jucato> it's really a piece of work. I greatly admire the patience and talent of those who maintain it :)
[13:27] <\sh> adept is also known as a paradoxon ;) a package manager written by a RH employee ,-)
[13:27] <Jucato> a DEB package manager :)
[13:28] <\sh> for .deb based distros ;)
[13:28] <Jucato> (although iirc mornfall's last attempts were to add RPM-support)
[13:28] <Jucato> heh which is one of the things I liked about kpackage. it supports deb's and rpm's (not that rpm's matter much to me)
[13:29] <\sh> well, it's likely easier to add a kde ui for smart then to add rpm-md/zypper repos to adept ,-)
[13:29] <Jucato> heh :)
[13:29] <Jucato> whatever happened to smartpm? O.o
[13:29] <\sh> Jucato, well, it works ;)
[13:29] <Jucato> hahah :)
[13:30] <\sh> I used it during maintaing some opensuse 10.2 installations
[13:30] <\sh> for SLES9 I used yum still...which was a pain in my bum, but nice thing is, that fai knows now about yum and smart ,-)
[13:30] <Jucato> ah yes. during the zmd times? :)
[13:30] <\sh> Jucato, during my times at combots
[13:31] <Jucato> oh mhb, just read your blog post now. nice :)
[13:32] <mhb> Jucato: thanks
[13:32] <mhb> doing a similar one (I mean showing another ported app) would make me happy, too
[13:32] <\sh> is pykde4 ready for using it in real projects? :)
[13:33] <Jucato> afaik yes... but Sime (where is he anyway?) would probably know bitter
[13:33] <Jucato> er.. better...
[13:34] <Jucato> diskconfig in guidance really needs some work and love. right now users are reporting that there seems to be some inconsistencies between diskconfig and fstab entries... (it also probably needs some "marketing"... nice/useful utility but quite unknown...)
[13:35] <mhb> well all of them need it
[13:35] <mhb> nobody really works on it and that's bad
[13:35] <\sh> Jucato, I just had a look at gutsies kde-guidance/userconfig ... it needs some qtdesigner love
[13:35] <mhb> \sh: I've got a screenshot for you
[13:35] <\sh> do we have a bzr repo for it?
[13:36] <\sh> I think my free time in january will be busy ;)
[13:37] <mhb> http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5010/userconfig4pb9.png
[13:37] <Jucato> hm. free-busy time? kinda oxymoronic isn't it? :)
[13:37] <Jucato> mhb: wow! )
[13:38] <Jucato> that was quick :)
[13:38] <mhb> guidance apps are actually pretty well written
[13:38] <mhb> so except for displayconfig they should be easy to port
[13:39]  * Jucato has actually never had any luck in making displayconfig work... even with just changing resolutions...
[13:40] <\sh> looks good :)
[13:41] <mhb> too bad I'm not in high school anymore
[13:41] <\sh> Jucato, yeah sounds like the crack pipe is coming to visit me during these days
[13:41] <Jucato> heh :)
[13:43] <\sh> well, another crack pipe and a good laugh is this http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/12/im-feeling-little-bit-better-now.html
[13:45] <mhb> if I were in high school I'd actually have a free week now
[13:45] <mhb> and I could port most of kde-guidance to KDE4
[13:45] <mhb> alas, I'm not, and I don't :o)
[13:46] <Jucato> but you will :)
[13:46] <Jucato> that's the best part :D
[13:46] <\sh> mhb, well, I'm not in highschool...but our company had a shut down forever...so we were forced to leave companies building and sitting on our asses for the rest of the year and january...and I finally start a new career on 1st of Feb
[13:47] <mhb> Jucato: no, I won't.
[13:47] <mhb> that's the worst part
[13:47] <Jucato> aw :)
[13:51] <jpatrick> mhb: sweet
[13:52] <mhb> jpatrick: and so am I .o) what did you mean?
[13:53] <jpatrick> mhb: the image, looks good
[13:54] <Jucato> lol
[13:56] <mhb> jpatrick: I wish I had the time to finish it and all the dozen other projects I wanted to
[14:09] <\sh> hmm...I'll try to upgrade from gutsy to hardy on my second station
[14:21] <blizzzek> hi
[15:58] <\sh> hmm...what to do to install kde4 on hardy?
[16:04] <Knightlust> \sh: use the ppa, wasn't able to install kde4 until i added the ppa
[16:04] <Knightlust> and it's as buggy as hell for me, everything is so grainy
[16:04]  * \sh just needs some dev environment
[16:06] <Knightlust> well, i hope you can get your dev env up, it's hard to work if yours is like mine; http://knightlust.com/grainy.png
[16:07] <Knightlust> hope it gets updated soon
[16:08] <buz> that looks like a graphics driver issue to me
[16:09] <buz> like you have only 16colors or so
[16:10] <Knightlust> buz: thanks, will check on my drivers
[16:12] <buz> can you copy xdpyinfo output to pastebin?
[16:12] <nixternal> that's not 16 colors for sure
[16:12] <nixternal> Knightlust: what video card do you have?
[16:12] <Knightlust> nixternal: the onboard intel
[16:12] <buz> but its dithering in plasma
[16:12] <nixternal> hrmm, so do I and I have no problems whatsoever
[16:12] <buz> not in the rest though
[16:13] <buz> this is weird to say the least
[16:19] <Knightlust> buz: here you go: http://pastebin.ca/829916
[16:48] <buz> looks ok
[17:45] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: #ubuntu-derivative
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> thanks nixternal
[17:54] <nixternal> yup
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> there a meeting goin on now... or should I just hang out there.
[17:56] <nixternal> they were looking for me I guess earlier
[17:56] <nixternal> someone in another channel told me I should hang out there
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:57] <nixternal> current daily (alt) doesn't install :(  grabbing alpha 2 to install instead
[17:57] <nixternal> need to get my screenshot machine up and running
[18:42] <Riddell> nixternal: did you upload kde4libs?
[18:42] <nixternal> yes
[18:43] <nixternal> did I break the world by doing so?
[18:43] <Riddell> nixternal: not that I know of
[18:43] <Riddell> nixternal: are you going to upload the rest of kde4?
[18:43] <nixternal> I can work on that today
[18:43] <nixternal> are we merging from Debian on everyone?
[18:44] <Riddell> nixternal: ideally yes
[18:44] <nixternal> ok
[18:44] <Riddell> nixternal: better now than for the 4.0 release
[18:44] <nixternal> true
[18:45] <nixternal> do I need to wait for kdelibs5 to build out, and such for each upload (kdepimlibs5 and kdebase-kde4)  before moving on to the others
[18:45] <Riddell> nixternal: no shouldn't have to
[18:46] <nixternal> ok
[18:46] <Riddell> nixternal: so you can just do it in batch
[18:46] <nixternal> great
[18:46] <Riddell> for package in kdepimlibs kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 ...; do apt-get source ${asdf}; done
[18:46] <Riddell> for package in kdepimlibs kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 ...; do apt-get source ${package}; done   rather
[18:46] <nixternal> hehe
[18:46] <Riddell> for package in kdepimlibs kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 ...; do patch -p1 < stdin's patch; done
[18:46] <nixternal> ya, asdf and package aren't the same
[18:47] <Riddell> for package in kdepimlibs kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 ...; do cp kde.mk ${package}-*/debian/cdbs/; done
[18:47] <Riddell> etc
[18:50] <iRon> Riddell: hi! what to do with new patch for ntfs mount? do we need to reopen user disk mounting bug in LP?
[18:52] <Riddell> iRon: a debdiff would be ideal if you know how to do that
[18:52] <iRon> Riddell: man debdiff :)
[18:53] <Riddell> iRon: get the latest kdebase (4:3.5.8-2ubuntu8) add the patch to debian/patches  run dch -i  and add a changelog
[18:53] <Riddell> debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[18:54] <iRon> ok
[18:54] <Riddell> iRon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu8.diff.gz
[18:54] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu8.dsc
[19:05] <nixternal> Riddell: what was the chroot trick with dbus?
[19:06] <Riddell> nixternal: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst  in my experience
[19:06] <nixternal> inside the chroot though correct/
[19:07] <Riddell> yes
[19:07] <nixternal> roger...I couldn't remember how to get around that
[19:37] <jpatrick> Riddell, iRon : kdelibs needs bug 178233
[19:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178233 in kdebase "Kdebase 4:3.5.8-2ubuntu7 FTBFS" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178233
[19:38] <jpatrick> arg, already done, sorry :)
[20:05] <iRon> Riddell: What to write in changelog: " -- Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>..." ?
[20:06] <iRon> Riddell: or it doesn't metter?
[20:06] <jpatrick> iRon: your name and email
[20:06] <iRon> ok
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> ouch... http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3167?page=1
[20:16] <ardchoille> I'm getting an rkhunter warning on /usr/bin/find. Has that file changed recently?
[20:48] <uga> guys, do you know if kubuntu adjusts gamma settings somewhere?
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> uga: systemsettings->monitor and disply
[20:48] <uga> nosrednaekim: on the system level, that goes where, xorg.conf?
[20:49] <uga> I'm having problems with gamma in a kde4 setup (installed from svn)
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> uga: I think... really don't know.
[20:49] <uga> it's much darker than the kde3 desktop, and I cant' see why
[20:49] <uga> it's completely unusable for photography
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> can you adjust your monitor brightness (with hardware)
[20:50] <uga> yes, but I'm not changing it myself
[20:50] <jpatrick> jussi01: and they carry on..
[20:50] <uga> just switching from vt7 to vt8
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> ah... I see
[20:51] <uga> and one shows the photo much more washed out, as if brightness was bumped
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> why don't you adjust the gamma controls in the kde3 system settings until it looks like the kde4 one, then adjust the hardware...
[20:52] <uga> I could do that, thanks
[20:53] <uga> I'd prefer knowing what kubuntu does though, because I don't see it in xorg
[20:53] <uga> it does something nice, because it's properly callibrated (more or less)
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[21:02] <uga> nosrednaekim: okay, I opened the gamma settings option, didn't change anything, just applied again
[21:03] <uga> now both desktops show the same gamma
[21:03] <uga> nosrednaekim: thanks. I only need to figure out where the setting goes
[21:03] <uga> and what changed it to make it right ;)
[21:03] <uga> (kgamma or similar, possibly)
[21:03] <uga> nosrednaekim: thanks for the help
[21:12] <iRon> jpatrick: is there any public ftp or some other service where i could upload my kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu9.diff.gz/dsc ?
[21:13] <CheGuevara> launchpad :P
[21:13] <iRon> CheGuevara: in code ?
[21:13] <CheGuevara> open a bug
[21:13] <jpatrick> iRon: debdiff kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu8.dsc kdebase_3.5.8-2ubuntu9.dsc > kdebase-superfix.debdiff
[21:14] <iRon> got it..
[21:14] <CheGuevara> then reference that bug in your changelog like (LP: #xxxxx)
[21:14] <CheGuevara> and attach in the bug
[21:14] <CheGuevara> so the bug will auto closed when it gets uploaded
[21:35] <mhb> woohoo
[21:35] <mhb> just one and a half hour till my next blogpost!
[21:39] <jpatrick> anyone porting apt:/ ?
[21:40] <CheGuevara> the kio? don't think so
[21:44] <iRon> oh, i'm a god in kioslaves programming now :-)
[21:44] <iRon> do we need some new kioslaves? ;-)
[21:45] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:45] <mhb> jpatrick: to KDE4? not yet, I guess.
[21:45] <CheGuevara> iRon, apt:/ kioslave needs porting to KDE 4 :)
[21:46] <CheGuevara> what are we using as a package manager on kde 4?
[21:46] <iRon> CheGuevara: no problem.. right after i finish bullet-proof-x :)
[21:47]  * CheGuevara hugs iRon
[21:47] <uga> okay, I found what's going on... it seems kubuntu's systemsettings directly alters xorg.conf (and breaks other settings I had done manually, btw)
[21:48] <uga> but then some external app is altering gamma settings differently for kde4 and kde4
[21:48] <uga> but then some external app is altering gamma settings differently for kde4 and kde3
[21:48] <jpatrick> iRon: I think Eduardiyo would like to help out with that :)
[21:49] <iRon> jpatrick: with bullet-proof-x? or apt:/ kio?
[21:49] <jpatrick> iRon: bullet-proof-x
[21:50] <iRon> Eduardiyo: have you started with ^^^ ?
[21:50] <uga> I wonder if that's lprof or kgamma
[21:51] <jpatrick> iRon: he's a new hopeful
[21:51] <CheGuevara> bullet-proof-x affects kdm right
[21:52] <jpatrick> yep
[21:52] <iRon> CheGuevara: yes it does
[21:52] <CheGuevara> was just thinking about kdm 3 vs kdm 4
[21:54] <iRon> CheGuevara: there is no much difference between kdm 3 and kdm 4..
[21:54] <iRon> CheGuevara: checked already
[21:54] <CheGuevara> ah cool
[21:57] <\sh> damn...I'm still listed to be responsible for some gentoo ebuilds...
[22:14] <iRon> Riddell, jpatrick: Bug #178351 (debdiff included)
[22:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178351 in kdebase "failed to mount ntfs user disk with kiomedia" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178351
[22:15] <jpatrick> iRon: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsers - I'm not core-dev :)
[22:15] <iRon> jpatrick: oh.. :)
[22:16] <jpatrick> iRon: may one day... ;)
[22:17] <Riddell> iRon: looking
[22:21] <Riddell> iRon: uploaded, thanks
[22:21] <iRon> Riddell: yw!
[22:36] <Eduardiyo> iRon: i not started whit this because im new like develop in linux, see you tomorrow :P
[22:37] <iRon> Eduardiyo: ok
[22:41] <mhb> hey RadiantFire
[22:42] <cheguevara> hmmm did somethign in kdelibs fail
[22:42] <cheguevara> they've been kept back for a while now
[22:43] <Riddell> cheguevara: which kdelibs?
[22:43] <jpatrick> cheguevara: it might be that soyuz bug
[22:44] <cheguevara> 4:3.97.0-3ubuntu1
[22:44] <cheguevara> jpatrick, the one that eats binaries?
[22:44] <Riddell> cheguevara: probably the libgif transition
[22:44] <cheguevara> duh (says the one who did that change)
[22:44] <Riddell> cheguevara: poke nixternal to see when he plans to upload the rest
[22:45] <cheguevara> Riddell, i am going through rdepends posting debdiffs, done quiet a lot so far
[22:45] <cheguevara> but i wanted to ask
[22:45] <cheguevara> some dont build-depend on ungiflib, just run time depend, so there are no changes to control
[22:45] <cheguevara> how do i go about those
[22:47] <Riddell> cheguevara: they must bring it in somehow, something it build-deps on much itself depend on libungif
[22:47] <cheguevara> ah right
[22:48] <nixternal> I am redoing my build box
[22:48]  * nixternal did a booboo
[22:48] <cheguevara> lol
[22:48] <cheguevara> what did you do
[22:49] <nixternal> rm -rf'd the wrong directories :p
[22:49] <nixternal> I thought I was in the chroot, but I wasn't
[22:49] <cheguevara> ouch
[22:49] <jpatrick> s/wrong directories/root
[22:49] <cheguevara> lol
[22:49] <nixternal> pretty much so
[22:49] <cheguevara> worst thing i've done was deleted my /home/cheguevara
[22:49] <cheguevara> no back ups whatsoever
[22:50] <nixternal> I usually change the bash prompts to a different color to know that I am not in a chroot, but I hadn't done that on my build box
[22:50] <nixternal> luckily for me though, I have daily backups
[22:50] <yuriy> how do i build adept from bzr? (there's no makefile or configure.in ... )
[22:50] <nixternal> although there was nothing really on my build box worth saving, except all of the directories under / :p
[22:50] <jpatrick> yuriy: I think the lastest code is apt-get source adept
[22:51] <cheguevara> there's a Makefile.in
[22:51] <cheguevara> and m4 macros
[22:53] <cheguevara> hmm *trying to figure out what depends on ungif*
[22:54] <yuriy> cheguevara: where do i go from there? (i don't know how to work automake, in my little experience kdevelop has done it for me)
[22:54] <jpatrick> yuriy: make -f Makefile.cvs work?
[22:54] <Riddell> yuriy: make -f debian/rules buildprep
[22:54] <Riddell> which will do what jpatrick says but apply patches first
[22:54] <yuriy> ah thanks Riddell
[22:55] <cheguevara> aclocal && autoconf && automake
[22:55] <cheguevara> :P
[22:56] <cheguevara> except aclocal is already there
[22:56] <cheguevara> and there's no configure.ac :P
[22:59] <yuriy> make -f debian/rules buildprep
[22:59] <yuriy> test -x debian/rules
[22:59] <yuriy> test "`id -u`" = 0
[22:59] <yuriy> make: *** [testroot] Error 1
[22:59] <yuriy> oh, i have to sudo to build it?
[23:14] <mhb> so, how is KDE4 working for you?
[23:19] <Riddell> yuriy: use fakeroot
[23:19] <Riddell> ooh ooh, I'm a year older where you are mhb!
[23:20] <cheguevara> are we all signing the bday song soon :)
[23:21] <yuriy> Riddell's a year older? uhoh we can't ask him so many questions anymore, the senility might start kicking in
[23:21] <yuriy> :P
[23:23] <mhb> Riddell: do you have to spoil everything?
[23:24] <mhb> Riddell: cant you see I am waiting for your time zone?
[23:25] <mhb> Riddell: no presents before 00:00 in your TZ :o)
[23:29] <Riddell> but there's all those presents on top of the wardrobe!
[23:29] <Riddell> just wanting to be opened
[23:30] <nosredna_ekim> itsn't it nice having your B-day this close to Christmas? you get double...the.... oh.. never mind :D
[23:31] <mhb> you will be a year closer to your 30th birthday, the day when you stop being young
[23:31] <toma> thnxs
[23:33] <mhb> hmm
[23:34] <Riddell> I do enjoy getting older
[23:34] <mhb> according to the Goverment of Tasmania, you are young just until 25.
[23:34] <Riddell> oh in most places in Africa you're young up to about 50
[23:34] <Riddell> gave us great problems during the World Gathering of Young Friends
[23:34] <Jucato> nosredna_ekim: actually it's worse having your birthday close to Christmas. people will give you gifts that serve both as your birthday present and christmas present :)
[23:34] <iRon> mhb: my laptop with kde4 is very heated all the time.. so i switched back to kde3
[23:34] <nosredna_ekim> Tasmania isn't in Africa...
[23:35] <nosredna_ekim> Jucato: I know... I was being sarcastic ;)
[23:35] <Riddell> nosredna_ekim: I know, just a similar example
[23:35] <mhb> it has its advantages
[23:35] <mhb> for example, I remembered Riddells birthday
[23:35] <nosredna_ekim> Riddell: ah.. ok :D
[23:36] <mhb> of course, he has it easy, being the number one
[23:36]  * mhb should go create his own distribution
[23:37] <mhb> :o)
[23:37] <mhb> well I would go, if yours was not that awesome :o)
[23:39] <nixternal> Riddell: Happy Birthday (somewhere in the world)! :)
[23:40] <mhb> come on people, cant you wait?
[23:40]  * mhb waits 2 hours now for it
[23:40] <nixternal> just in case I am not around, better than a belated
[23:40]  * toma prepares champagne and cake
[23:40] <Jucato> Maligayang Kaarawan Riddell from the Philippines (which is usually ahead of everyone else...)
[23:40]  * nixternal ate the cake
[23:40] <mhb> the cake is a lie.
[23:40] <Jucato> (in timezones of course... technology wise, we're always behind)
[23:40] <nixternal> Kake
[23:40] <Riddell> there's 20 minutes yet!
[23:40]  * toma pulls out another cake
[23:41]  * nosredna_ekim gulps it down
[23:41]  * toma grabs an axe
[23:41]  * mhb eats it
[23:41] <nixternal> 18:00 CST == Riddell->increaseAge(1);
[23:41] <Jucato> eating the axe? now that's something you don't see everyday
[23:41] <nixternal> lol
[23:41] <toma> ;-)
[23:42] <Jucato> strawberry coated axe. hm... why does the strawberry taste very salty and not sweet? O.o
[23:42] <mhb> iRon: that is bad to hear ... any specific reason? strigi going to 100% perhaps?
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> Jucato: it has high iron content... don't worry, its good for you
[23:44] <iRon> mhb: no.. system is even 99% idle
[23:44] <mhb> strange.
[23:44] <iRon> yep
[23:44] <Jucato> :D
[23:44] <mhb>  fifteen minutes left
[23:44] <Jucato> yay! nice pre-Christmas gift! no water for the day :)
[23:48] <Riddell> Jucato: why's that?
[23:49] <Jucato> dunno. water suddenly got cut off. we're still waiting for some explanation :(
[23:49] <toma> 10 minutes
[23:49]  * nosredna_ekim higs his well
[23:49] <nosredna_ekim> *hugs! man! why can't I type correctly.
[23:49]  * Jucato looks up the definition of "hig"
[23:49] <Jucato> um.. because you're you? :D
[23:52] <nosredna_ekim> I'm me.... oh... what a complement
[23:52] <mhb> human interface guidelines
[23:52] <mhb> that's hig
[23:52] <Jucato> ah yes! how could I have forgotten :)
[23:53]  * Jucato never realized nosredna_ekim was so HIG compliant :)
[23:53] <nosredna_ekim> ha? me? you don't wanna see my guis :D
[23:54] <jpatrick> nosredna_ekim: however bad they are, trust me, they are nothing compared to the UIs I see done at my school
[23:54] <Jucato> ha! you can't see mine. (because they only exist in the hard disk known as "My Brain")
[23:54] <mhb> I am ready
[23:54] <jpatrick> Jucato: I thought that meltdowned ages ago...
[23:55] <nosredna_ekim> all except for the Jucato Data Core
[23:55] <Jucato> I managed to save parts of mine. but that does explain why I'm missing a few things :)
[23:55] <mhb> and then there were five
[23:57] <claydoh_233mhz> msg nickserv ghost claydoh 07Savannah
[23:57] <toma> oops
[23:57] <mhb> three
[23:58] <jpatrick> claydoh_233mhz: change pass quick!
[23:58] <mhb> you've got a few minutes before it is stored in the logs.
[23:58] <clay_233mhz> lol
[23:58] <nosredna_ekim> ah...my clock is right on time :D
[23:59] <mhb> mine too, I just synchronized with the local NTP server.
[23:59] <toma> ....drums...
[23:59] <toma> Vorian: just in time!
[23:59]  * Riddell feels young
[23:59] <nixternal> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR Riddell! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YYYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU!


[12:57] <highvoltage> how do I find an app again if it isn't listed on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/ ?
[13:33] <wendar> highvoltage: I have that problem too
[13:34] <wendar> at the moment there is no way
[13:34] <wendar> apparently BooruPy is a downloader for anime pr0n
[13:34] <highvoltage> seems like all I can do is paste https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps in my URL bar and then press down to check my browser history
[13:34] <wendar> I'm giving it a "not appropriate for general audiences".
[13:36] <highvoltage> sounds like the right response
[13:49] <wendar> highvoltage: oh, dpm's wiki page has links to the proposals
[13:49] <wendar> as much as I hate the idea of manually maintaining a queue outside the queue, it does have advantages
[13:50] <wendar> I guess see how we do with simple email thread tracking
[13:50] <wendar> an email folder is easy enough to search for previous entries
[13:52] <dpm> note that the wiki page was intended as a one-off, first-pass review to the queue as a helper (also https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/915902)
[15:47] <wendar> dpm: yeah, it's just tempting to maintain it, because it is helpful
[15:47] <wendar> dpm: but, resisting the temptation for now :)
[15:48] <dpm> wendar, no worries, happy if it's to be helpful in whichever way :)
[16:35] <wendar> so, the SSHSearch Lens that's in the queue as "Pending QA", is that an update to the one that's published? or is it just the same one, and needs to be bumped to a manual "ARB Published" state?
[16:37] <wendar> same question for the Utilities Lens and Ask Ubuntu Lens
[17:08] <stgraber> wendar: don't touch them!
[17:08] <stgraber> wendar: Pending QA == Published
[17:08] <wendar> yah, but can we clear them from the queue?
[17:08] <stgraber> wendar: we don't mark them as Published because of the Software Center bug
[17:09] <stgraber> wendar: if we mark them as anything but Pending QA, they'll either vanish or be moved to the "For purchase" section
[17:09] <wendar> last I cchatted with achuni, he said we could set up a special "ARB Published" state
[17:09] <wendar> that wouldn't bump it into visible status in the Commercial Queue
[17:09] <wendar> but, would clear it out of our queue
[17:10] <wendar> we want it out of our queue, right?
[17:10] <wendar> don't want to keep around all the past published apps?
[17:10] <stgraber> I kind of like to see them in the queue until the SRU has been published to 11.10
[17:11] <stgraber> otherwise we'll forget which need fixing once the bug is solved (we'll need to drop the manually added metadata)
[17:11] <wendar> could we have them listed separately, then?
[17:11] <wendar> or, put them in an actual launchpad bug in the ARB queue?
[17:12] <stgraber> maybe, though the software-center SRU was supposed to be done 3 weeks ago, it's maybe just easier to push the SRU out and be done with the bug?
[17:12] <wendar> yes, if it's that close
[17:13] <stgraber> wendar: I just poked mvo
[18:52] <ajmitch> morning
[19:05] <stgraber> wendar: mvo says we should have the software-center SRU right after feature freeze
[19:05] <wendar> sweet!
[19:05] <wendar> ajmitch: good morning :)
[19:19] <stgraber> hmm, what just happened to pdf studio 7? (received an e-mail saying it's been published from arb)
[19:21] <ajmitch> was it in the commercial queue?
[19:22] <ajmitch> since I haven't seen an app of that name in the ARB queue yet
[19:26] <stgraber> well, it went to our mailing-list, so it should have been one of ours, though it might have been a bug in MyApps ;)
[19:26]  * stgraber checks the commercial queue
[19:26] <ajmitch> it wouldn't be the first bug :)
[19:26] <stgraber> indeed :)
[19:27] <stgraber> yeah, I see it as pending review in commercial ... so probably was some kind of glitch
[19:27] <ajmitch> are magazines like the full circle magazine being bumped over to the commercial queue?
[19:27] <ajmitch> I know they don't fall within our content guidelines, as they're solely content
[19:28] <stgraber> yeah, these I usually send back to commercial when nobody from that team beats me to it
[19:29] <ajmitch> ah nice
[19:31] <ajmitch> I don't think regular ARB members have an option to change the queue, unless it's not obvious
[19:39] <stgraber> apparently the "send back to myapps" option is supposed to do it (if you see it)
[19:39] <stgraber> I usually just poke achuni on IRC :)
[19:44]  * ajmitch can see a 'submit to myapps' button
[19:45] <stgraber> yeah, I think that's the one. I never confirmed that it indeed does what they say it does ;)
[19:46] <stgraber> and its name is just confusing...
[19:46]  * ajmitch wonders if jono has heard any response on getting the source for myapps
[19:47] <ajmitch> I'm not holding my breath, but it doesn't really seem like a critical thing to keep proprietary
[21:19] <jono> ajmitch, talking with them now about it
[21:19] <ajmitch> thanks jono :)
[21:20] <jono> ajmitch, :-)
[21:26] <jono> ajmitch, which is the best email address to use for you?
[21:27] <jono> I want to copy you into a mail
[21:32] <jono> ajmitch, found your email, np
[21:37] <ajmitch> sorry for irc lag, am at work :)
[22:04] <ajmitch> jono: thanks for starting that conversation, I'll follow it up with david
[22:05] <jono> thanks ajmitch
[22:23] <wendar> framingham calculator is ready for vote
[22:23] <wendar> is anyone working on harmonyseq?
[22:23] <wendar> that's an old one, IIRC, just recently freshly submitted
[22:24] <ajmitch> wendar: yeah I've started on it again
[22:24] <wendar> ajmitch: cool, will pick another one
[22:25] <stgraber> wendar: is it in the staging PPA already?
[22:25] <stgraber> wendar: (the calculator)
[22:25] <wendar> stgraber: yes
[22:25] <stgraber> k
[22:25] <wendar> ready for vote
[22:25] <ajmitch> I think it'd be useful to import these packages into a branch so we can share the ARB changes a bit easier
[22:25] <ajmitch> mostly because it's simpler to see the revisions :)
[22:25] <wendar> ajmitch: I'm about to push my changes to a branch
[22:25] <ajmitch> great
[22:26] <wendar> but, I'm not sure whether to use an app-review-board branch, or an allison branch
[22:26] <wendar> any opinions?
[22:26]  * ajmitch was just going to use a +junk branch under ~ajmitch
[22:26] <wendar> app-review-board would mean any members could edit it
[22:26] <wendar> but, just for viewing, ~allison is fine
[22:27] <wendar> (and, anyone can always branch mine and push their own)
[22:27] <ajmitch> yeah, I was thinking of it just for reviewing, it's easy enough to push to ~app-review-board later
[22:27] <ajmitch> ok, back later, another meeting at work... :)
[22:27] <wendar> later :)
[22:29] <wendar> how about nsnake, anyone working on that one?
[22:34] <stgraber> wendar: commented on the mailing list
[22:34] <stgraber> so far I made a +junk branch under ~stgraber for each package I touched but it'd probably be interesting to move them under ~app-review-board
[22:42] <wendar> stgraber: for some reason your first email about the icon didn't come through
[22:42] <wendar> stgraber: but your second email referring to the first email did
[22:42] <wendar> stgraber: maybe just server lag, give it a bit
[22:48] <stgraber> wendar: I received my first e-mail back from the mailing-list, so something seems to be wrong on your end
[22:48] <wendar> stgraber: got it now, just some weird lag
[22:49] <wendar> stgraber: on dh_gencontrol, does have to be a png, or is an svg fine? The package currently only includes an svg, though the developer submitted pngs to MyApps.
[22:50] <stgraber> wendar: you need a png
[22:50] <wendar> stgraber: does resolution matter? go for the highest?
[22:50] <stgraber> wendar: what I did for the others was include the .png from myapps (the 128x128) manually in the source package
[22:51] <wendar> stgraber: in the debian directory? (I've been trying to limit changes to debian/ or debian/patches
[22:51] <stgraber> it's the one displayed in the software-center, I don't know exactly what size it uses but it's pretty big, so go for the highest
[22:52] <wendar> not really critical, I suppose, just inventing standards on the fly :)
[22:52] <stgraber> the lenses were native packages, so I directly put it in there next to their .svg, I guess in your case as it's source format 3, you can put it in debian/arb-icon-blah.png or something like that
[22:53] <stgraber> it doesn't really matter as long as it's copied outside the build environment at build time
[22:54] <stgraber> (that's a part that wasn't necessarily clear in what I copy/pasted, the ../ in there it doesn't really matter puts it outside the build environment, right next to the generated binary packages)


  But it sounds like Canonical are very choosy about who they ask to do work for them
[23:55] <mikebeecham> kmrs75, yes
[23:55] <mikebeecham> have been for about 4 years now
[23:55] <mikebeecham> knome, Thorwill gave me his details, but I dont want to start firing off emails if it's going to be a waste of time
[23:56] <mikebeecham> I mean...I've been invited to display my work on Behance.net, if you know anything about it
[23:56] <knome> mikebeecham, he's on irc as well, just not right now.
[23:56] <knome> mikebeecham, sending email to him will not be bad either. he's a nice guy.
[23:56] <kmrs75> i haven't ever submitted anything to canonical -- so i cant be of help there - but i know people that have done submits and some have been used
[23:58] <mikebeecham> The other issue is...I wonder how bothered they will want to be to have someone come on board and 'do' stuff.  I'm not being funny but I've seen the latest proposed default wallpaper for Maverick, and it's.....not good.
[23:58] <mikebeecham> and I'm not the best designer in the world and I can see it
[23:58] <mikebeecham> I'm concerned that it will be a case of "hey, we like doing things our way...you dont like it, then p*** off"
[23:58] <mikebeecham> I've been around that mindset a lot in the past
[23:59] <knome> mikebeecham, honestly, ranting in irc won't help. send iain an email telling what you've done, etc. and he can either point you to somebody else or discuss further.
[23:59] <mikebeecham> knome, thanks...will do
[23:59] <knome> mikebeecham, as i said, he's a nice guy, and he won't get aggressive even if you did send him an email