[11:57] <babo> unop: right. the folder doesn't have write access for anyone but apache ...
[11:57] <artenius> unop: when I type sudo -u user gnome-display-properties should "user" be the new user I added or the word user?
[11:57] <unop> alanbshepard70,   nice -n 20 command
[11:58] <PaulMooney> CK_MY: you want to make transfers.  psftp? (part of the putty suite) can do transfers... just that I find I have to run that program from DOS.  I use winSCP(sp?) for ssh transfers to a windows client...
[11:58] <alanbshepard70> Thanks pajamian and unop
[11:58] <saminthemiddle> CK_MY: PaulMooney: wait, your WORK PC is the one with Linux! Cool! Also, make sure that running an SSH daemon is okay with your boss, and SSH daemon is considered a major serurity breach in corporate nets. Also, the corporate net might block the service too...
[11:58] <unop> artenius, 'user' there is your usual user, your actual username
[11:58] <PaulMooney> CK_MY: is port 22 open to this work computer?  (it's usually the case that it isn't)
[11:58] <artenius> unop: ok so not the second one I created
[11:59] <saminthemiddle> PaulMooney CK_MY, more importantly, is ANY port open. you can always change the default port
[11:59] <PaulMooney> CK_MY: true
[11:59] <unop> babo, you can use sudo to log on as the apache user, it's www-data by default so.  sudo -u www-data # and then go about copying the file, etc
[11:59] <pajamian> CK_MY: you will probably have to forward a port from the router.
[11:59] <saminthemiddle> PaulMooney CK_MY, technically CK could use a reverse tunnel and run SSH though that if no ports are open. but that's normally a big "you're fired" action
[11:59] <unop> artenius, no, not the one you created, because you aren't modifying display properties for that user, but for the user that is having difficulties
[12:00] <babo> unop: i'm not root and i don't have shell access
[12:00] <artenius> unop: I got ya, ok
[12:00] <PaulMooney> lol.... there's always a way...
[12:00] <EuRoPeAn> nu este nimeni ce stie savorbeasca romineste noai niguna tia ke abla espaniola
[12:01] <unop> babo, i don't see any other way around this then, you need some kind of write access to that folder
[12:01] <gobfrey> can anyone help me find out why my terminal won't launch?
[12:01] <DJones> !es | EuRoPeAn
[12:01] <ubotu> EuRoPeAn: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[12:01] <saminthemiddle> PaulMooney: as they say "when there's a will..." and then you get canned ;-)
[12:01] <CK_MY> i will try
[12:01] <CK_MY> now blur blur ^.^
[12:02] <gobfrey> I click to open it as normal, but since I added a second screen to my PC, it doesn't open.
[12:02] <PaulMooney> you guys have everything covered here.  I'm going back to reading
[12:02] <unop> babo, if you don't have shell access, what kind of user are you on the system? how do you access the system?
[12:02] <pajamian> CK_MY: you will probably have to talk to the IT dept at work and ask them to forward a port to port 22 on your workstation.
[12:02] <sivel27> hello all
[12:02] <CK_MY> pajamian,  forward on router?
[12:02] <sivel27> any one figure out how to make usb headphones work with a laptop?
[12:03] <saminthemiddle> CK_MY, personally, I'm amazed that you have root access to your work machine!
[12:03] <pajamian> CK_MY: well, it depends, of course, if your wrok computer is behind a NAT network, then yes.  Otherwise they just need to poke a hole in the firewall for you.
[12:04] <CK_MY> saminthemiddle, sure i have root access on my machine
[12:04] <saminthemiddle> pajamian: by "poke a hole" are you perchance referring to a reverse-tunnel? :_P
[12:04] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: nope
[12:04] <saminthemiddle> CK_MY
[12:04] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: I just mean if he has a public IP address assigned directly to his workstation they will probably have it behind a firewall and will need to open up the port.
[12:05] <saminthemiddle> CK_MY: that's just odd, usually root is reserved for admins
[12:05] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: otherwise it's likely behind a NAT router and they will have to forward the port from the router.
[12:05] <saminthemiddle> pajamian: or he could "poke a hole" as you put it ;-)
[12:05] <piniek> connect <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:05] <CK_MY> saminthemiddle, my friend can use putty login to this pc , then how to transfer  file ?
[12:05] <babo> unop: ftp
[12:05] <CK_MY> saminthemiddle, here not only 1 pc using linux
[12:05] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: they may give him root on his workstation, but I doubt they give him access to the company router/firewall
[12:05] <saminthemiddle> CK_MY: sorry, out of my league. I'm purely a Linux/Mac person
[12:06] <sivel27> !sound
[12:06] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:06] <simplechat> hey
[12:06] <simplechat> i'm trying to install ubuntu on my epc
[12:06] <CK_MY> saminthemiddle,  ok ... any way thanks
[12:06] <simplechat> i ran through the usb installer guide on the wiki
[12:06] <saminthemiddle> pajamian, technically, giving workers root access to workstations is still a bad idea. You end up with holes in your net. And remember that workstations, too, carry sensitive data.
[12:06] <CK_MY> i need to go back cya
[12:07] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: are you saying you can login to your work PC with putty?  in that case you have a decent ssh connection and you just need a program that supports SFTP (one I know of is FileZilla)
[12:07] <simplechat> but when i booted ubuntu, all it says is "/casper/vmlinuz"
[12:07] <simplechat> whenever i select an option
[12:07] <unop> babo, your only option is to get the FTP servers administrator to give you the right permissions otherwise what you are attempting to do is compromise the ftp server.
[12:07] <simplechat> what on earth would do that?
[12:07] <saminthemiddle> pajamian: you meant to send that to CK_MY
[12:07] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: I don't disagree, but if they do they do.
[12:07] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: yes, I did...
[12:07] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: bah, nm, he left
[12:08] <simplechat> casper/vmlinuz is an empty file now
[12:08] <saminthemiddle> pajamian: yup. I knew a guy who used to admin a computer that listened to the phone lines of a DOD building to listen for modems. You can bet that those workers didn't have root access ;-)
[12:09] <pajamian> saminthemiddle: yeah, but most businesses aren't as security consious as the DOD
[12:09] <unop> logging on a machine as root even with ssh is not generally a good security practice.
[12:10] <pajamian> unop: I don't think we were actually recommending that.
[12:10] <unop> pajamian, i didn't say you were :)
[12:10] <pajamian> unop: and I agree, I only log onto remote boxes as a user account, I can always get root with sudo (or sometimes su)
[12:14] <meowludo> Hey guys - I have just installed ubuntu and I can't play an mp3. Suggestions?
[12:15] <Pricey> meowludo, double clicking it should bring up an easy codec instillation.
[12:15] <meowludo> i'll give it a go. I am so glad to have finally ended my uphill battle with microsoft.
[12:16] <artenius> unop: when I login as the other user it drops me into a yellow screen
[12:16] <topher> i'm sure most of us are ;)
[12:16] <pajamian> hehehe
[12:17] <icesword> meowludo, naaan,nice,one ,sir
[12:17] <meowludo> Hey pricey - it opened totem and then advised me that i do not have the decoder.
[12:17] <Pricey> meowludo, and it should let you click through it, to install codecs?
[12:17] <pajamian> meowludo: try it in rhythembox
[12:18] <Pricey> pajamian, will that launch the easy codec installer?
[12:18] <meowludo> rythm box w1ns....
[12:18] <Scarey> how do you find the program when you choose "other" from firefox ?
[12:18] <Scarey> like Rhytmbox
[12:18] <pajamian> Pricey: I'm pretty sure rhythembox plays it by default, and it's way better for playing mp3s than totem (though I know there are even better programs)
[12:18] <x0x> how to hide other users file from users ???
[12:19] <nalpha> guys... if I want to know mysql error code (system error: 111) where I find it?
[12:19] <pajamian> meowludo: I find an easy way to get nearly all the goodies I want is to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[12:19] <meowludo> yeah - i am complete n00b. but am loving the whole thing :)
[12:19] <Pricey> pajamian, mp3 codecs aren't installed by default
[12:19] <x0x> nalpha google
[12:20] <x0x> !google
[12:20] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[12:20] <pajamian> Pricey: ok, I wasn't sure, I knew that the encoder wasn't installed, but I wasn't sure about the decoder.
[12:20] <Scarey> nalioth, have you googled it? something like "mysql error 111" ?
[12:20] <pajamian> Pricey: mainly because I install a bunch of extra stuff when I set up a new box anyways.
[12:20] <nalpha> x0x: i now!!! but didnt find it... ex: maybe there is a resources in mysql website but still didint find error code 111 means.. it's just show error code from 1000 to 2000 ??? :(((
[12:21] <pajamian> nalpha: try asking in #mysql
[12:21] <Scarey> nalpha, did you try googling the error string ?
[12:21] <nalpha> pajamian: hm.. good idea i will try... :)
[12:22] <Moligaloo> Who used shttpd?
[12:22] <meowludo> Thanks for that guys!
[12:22] <Scarey> where is applications placed if I want to start a file by a specific app?
[12:23] <x0x> unop: how to hide other users file from users ???
[12:23] <mindguru08> Hey everyone
[12:24] <unop> x0x, put it in a folder that isn't readable by other users, make it unreadable by others and rename it so it has a . infront
[12:24] <pajamian> Scarey: usually /usr/bin but can be anywhere in your path.
[12:24] <zeno_> Im trying to install java, ive tried sudo apt-get install -f, and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin, but niether work. heres apt output: http://pastebin.com/m497af469
[12:24] <unop> x0x, hiding files is a windows/msdos thing, there really isn't an equivalent on unix
[12:24] <x0x> unop its will hide everything?
[12:25] <x0x> oh ok
[12:25] <Scarey> pajamian, tnx
[12:25] <Juzzy`> Hi guys, I'm trying to setup my ftp server, I want users locked out of the entire filesystem but still to be able to access a folder /share .. I have tried chroot jail + symlinks + mount --bind but nothing has worked, any ideas?
[12:25] <figuringout> hi, i wanted to make a bunch of simple webpages without the hassle of coding it by hand. need suggestions for a nice simple web page maker.
[12:25] <unop> x0x, well, quite simply, if you make it unreadable by others, that's good enough, so what if they know the file name, they can't read it anyway
[12:26] <Juzzy`> so naughty.movie.avi will be visible but not watchable
[12:26] <artenius> unop: when I login as the other user it drops me into a yellow screen
[12:26] <Jizzo|work> figuringout: Are you hosting the website on Ubuntu? Or do you have a hosting company?
[12:27] <figuringout> hosting company
[12:27] <figuringout> its persoanl webpages mostly.
[12:27] <unop> artenius, yellow screen? do explain a little more
[12:27] <artenius> unop: the yellow ubunto screen with a mouse cursor, nothing else
[12:27] <Jizzo|work> figuringout: Most hosting company's use something that is called a 1-click install, that allows you to (with 1 click) setup a blog/forum/website sort of stuff based on templates
[12:27] <Juzzy`> Hi guys, I'm trying to setup my ftp server, I want users locked out of the entire filesystem but still to be able to access a folder /share .. I have tried chroot jail + symlinks + mount --bind but nothing has worked, any ideas?
[12:28] <unop> Juzzy`, when you say "nothing has worked" what do you mean really?
[12:28] <figuringout> Jizzo|work: i'm designing on ubuntu though. i know about all that. i just need a nice frontpage clone for ubuntu. i want to make the pages offline
[12:28] <figuringout> dont need a CMS or anything
[12:28] <pajamian> !repeat | Juzzy`
[12:28] <ubotu> Juzzy`: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[12:28] <unop> artenius, does ALT+F2 do anything there?
[12:28] <oddar> Hello
[12:28] <xx0xx> sorry got dc
[12:28] <Juzzy`> pajamian thanks
[12:28] <Juzzy`> mucho help
[12:28] <Jizzo|work> figuringout: Ah ok. I understand. I havent found one myself that sooths my needs, I code everything myself ;)
[12:28] <gW_jULLie_> kk
[12:29] <xx0xx> unop: i want to make folder unreadabe from users
[12:29] <figuringout> Jizzo|work : i can. but I don't want to. thanks anyway? i was just reading about nvu. any good?
[12:29] <Juzzy`> unop what I mean is if I chroot the ftp dir I can't access the share, even if its mount --bind or symlink'd in
[12:29] <Juzzy`> unop but I don't want to un-chroot the ftp root because it'll expose other files
[12:29] <xx0xx> like they cant enter the user folder
[12:30] <unop> Juzzy`, symlinks wont work there, but bound volumes should, perhaps you have a permissions problem there, have you ruled that out
[12:30] <DJones> figuringout: Did you say you were looking for a frontpage clone? I've missed the start of your question so I could be completely on the wrong track
[12:30] <Juzzy`> unop no, don't exactly know how to.. but will have a look around and report back
[12:30] <Jizzo|work> figuringout: Cant help you there, not really into all the software. Sorry
[12:30] <Pici> !nvu | figuringout
[12:30] <figuringout> Jizzo|work. wokay. thanks anyway
[12:30] <ubotu> figuringout: kompozer is WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, !Backports on !Feisty, and from  « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu edgy universe » for Edgy.  (Dapper still pending)
[12:30] <unop> xx0xx, all you need to do is set permission 700 on the folder, only the owner has access then, no one else
[12:30] <Kne1> xiediaolai
[12:31] <icesword> nishuosha
[12:31] <figuringout> ubotu : i'm on dapper unfortunately. nvu is bad?
[12:31] <xx0xx> unop: even root?
[12:31] <Jizzo|work> DRJones: Yes, he is looking for a Frontpage like program.
[12:32] <DJones> figuringout: as Pici mentioned, kompozer is fairly decent, its a wysiwyg html editor
[12:32] <oddar> Hello, I'm having audio troubles. lspci shows that terminal finds my Intel HD audio, suggestions?
[12:32] <Pici> DJones: And the replacement for nvu ;)
[12:32] <unop> Juzzy`,
[12:32] <unop> oops, nvm me
[12:32] <figuringout> DJones i'm on dapper though. i'm going to try out nvu though.
[12:33] <figuringout> <ignore second though ;) >
[12:33] <Dr_willis> !intelhd
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelhd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <unop_> xx0xx, no - root is special and for good reason, if you accidentally locked everyone out of a folder - only root can perform a recovery
[12:34] <Juzzy`> unop I have chown ftpuser /share and chroot jailed the ftp user but even after mount --bind /share /home/ftpuser it still won't allow me into the directories
[12:34] <DJones> Pici: yep, I knew that, that was going to be my next comment
[12:34] <Juzzy`> hmm actually I has an idea
[12:34] <JaccoH> is it possible to use apt to update to an other arch.?
[12:35] <JaccoH> eg from 32bit to 64bit
[12:35] <hischild> JaccoH, from my experience, no
[12:35] <xx0xx> unop_: :D thanks buddy
[12:35] <unop_> Juzzy`, enter the chroot and logon as the ftpuser with 'sudo -u ftpuser' and try and navigate to that directory
[12:35] <xx0xx> you are great
[12:35] <xx0xx> !yey
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:35] <DJones> is packages.ubuntu.com down, I'm getting timed out trying to connect via the web
[12:35] <JaccoH> o ok :) that means ill have to actually drive up to that colocation :)
[12:35] <xx0xx> !yay
[12:35] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[12:36] <unop_> Juzzy`, also out of curiosity, what are the permissions of that folder?
[12:36] <artenius> unop: any idea why sudo -u user gnome-display-properties wouldn't pop anything up?
[12:37] <JaccoH> ok one more thing... is it easy to ease the hardy kernel in gutsy? ive some kernel BUG errors with Xen
[12:37] <unop_> artenius, hmm, not sure, any errors spit out?
[12:37] <artenius> unop: no
[12:37] <artenius> nothing
[12:37] <diff> hi all!
[12:38] <userbn> woi
[12:38] <diff> how to download ubuntu without X11?
[12:38] <hischild> diff, download the server or install command line only.
[12:39] <xx0xx> how to create vhost?
[12:39] <pajamian> !server | diff
[12:39] <ubotu> diff: Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[12:39] <xx0xx> for ip
[12:39] <artenius> unop: I'm able to get into Failsafe gnome, just trying to fix it over all
[12:39] <diff> no, i love ubuntu desktop! :) but I sometimes need to boot without X
[12:39] <unop_> artenius, hmm, not sure then .. what i would do is backup the gnome folders in the home dir and try logging in again -  this is for the actual user, not the temporary one you just created.  ~/.gnome* ~/.gtk*
[12:39] <diff> ubotu
[12:40] <unop_> artenius, maybe also ~/.gconf*
[12:40] <pajamian> diff: oh, I thought you wanted a version of ubuntu without X, sorry.
[12:40] <Dr_willis> diff,  just disable the gdm/kdm service
[12:40] <diff> !
[12:40] <Dr_willis> diff,  then use startx when you want X
[12:40] <diff> how to disable gdm?
[12:41] <icesword> system>
[12:41] <hischild> is the message about "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = <insert random number>ns) a known message? if so, can it be ignored?
[12:41] <JaccoH> any xen users here?
[12:42]  * Dr_willis guesses diff figured out how to stop the gdm service.. :)
[12:42] <galataranator> Could anyone tell me if there is a known workaround for installation on a Panasonic Toughbook CF-30 ( Core2Duo ) ?
[12:42] <Dr_willis> galataranator,  there was a ubuntu forum just for laptops i belive.
[12:42] <galataranator> Even using noapic and nolapic it hangs when it gets to the IO scheduler
[12:43] <pajamian> galataranator: did you try the alternate install cd?
[12:43] <galataranator> Dr_willis: i will google for that thanks
[12:43] <galataranator> pajamian: i did not ... where can i find this?
[12:43] <pajamian> !alternate | galataranator
[12:43] <ubotu> galataranator: The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[12:44] <kallepersson> Hi there. My gnome-keyring acts weird. I can enter a password for instance a ftp server via Nautilus, but when I try to access the same server via gedit or any other application with file browsing view, I have to type in the password. It has worked before.
[12:44] <galataranator> pajamian: thanks alot ... i will try that
[12:44] <kallepersson> When it worked I usually got "Do you want to activate the keyring for this program? [yes] [no]"
[12:45] <b0x> am i able to open programs with out having the terminal open all the time?
[12:45] <hischild> is the message in the kernel ring buffer about "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = <insert random number>ns) a known message? if so, can it be ignored?
[12:45] <kallepersson> b0x: yes
[12:45] <kallepersson> type
[12:46] <kallepersson> firefox &
[12:46] <beeriba> find xForce
[12:46] <kallepersson> then you can close the terminal
[12:46] <kallepersson> for instance
[12:46] <FloodBot2> kallepersson: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:46] <DJones> b0x: press Alt and F2, that'll let you enter the program name to run without starting a terminal
[12:46] <kallepersson> that works as well. using the menu is a good way too.
[12:46] <hischild> kallepersson, for me that also closes firefox if i close the terminal.
[12:46] <b0x> thank u djennewe
[12:46] <b0x> DJones
[12:46] <Limano> hello.. i have some problems running a java applet because i dont have the newest JRE version.. i downloaded it, installed it on usr/lib, cleared java and web browser cache but nothing happens.. what should i do?
[12:47] <hischild> !java
[12:47] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[12:47] <kallepersson> hischild: with an & after the application?
[12:47] <hischild> Limano, ^
[12:47] <hischild> kallepersson, yes.
[12:47] <Limano> ok
[12:47] <Limano> thanks
[12:47] <hischild> kallepersson, i use screen to get that result you described.
[12:48] <kallepersson> ok
[12:49] <xjkx> when is the next ubuntu out ?
[12:49] <Smegzor> I have heard that in linux (ext3) it is possible to resize a partition with no data loss.  Is this true?  I want to double my swap from 4 gigs to 8 gigs by taking 4 gigs away from my home partition.  I have more than 4 gigs free in home.
[12:49] <xjkx> a friend asked me to give him a cd, i will wait the latest, if its coming
[12:49] <Limano> but i still doesnt know what to do :|
[12:49] <Pici> xjkx: April 24th
[12:50] <GNU\colossus> Smegzor: growing the fs is possible with ext3, I'm not sure about shrinking though
[12:50] <hischild> !hardy
[12:50] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:50] <xjkx> thank you
[12:50] <hischild> GNU\colossus, Smegzor, in theory it's possible to shrink ext3. From what i have heard some are successful in it, some failed. I would backup your /home and unmount it before you attempt it.
[12:51] <Smegzor> hmm..  I won't bother.  I only want to double my swap so that it is double my ram, but I don't have to do that.
[12:51] <hischild> Smegzor, how much ram do you use?
[12:51] <Smegzor> 4gigs
[12:52] <hischild> you really use 4gb?
[12:52] <Smegzor> yep
[12:52] <GNU\colossus> Smegzor: your machine is actually swapping?
[12:52] <hischild> wow
[12:52] <pyross> hello, im having problems with ubuntu 6.10 on dell xps m1210 i cannot adjust screen resolution more than 1024x768 i have installed the nvidia 7400 Go drivers and added     Driver         "nvidia" in xorg.conf i reboot the nvidia logo does show up, but i cant seem to get the resolutions i want modes are set :         Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" yet it doesnt work. any ideas ?
[12:52] <Smegzor> not much if at all
[12:52] <GNU\colossus> Smegzor: then don't bother resizing
[12:52] <kallepersson>  Hi there. My gnome-keyring acts weird. I can enter a password for instance a ftp server via Nautilus, but when I try to access the same server via gedit or any other application with file browsing view, I have to type in the password. It has worked before. When it worked I usually got "Do you want to activate the keyring for this program? [yes] [no]"
[12:52] <GNU\colossus> not worth the trouble or risk
[12:52] <Limano> hischild: can you tell me specificly what i should look for on that java page?
[12:52] <Smegzor> I run VirtualBox so XP gets 2 gigs and linux gets the rest
[12:53] <GNU\colossus> that's perfectly fine for just about anything you want to do
[12:53] <hischild> Limano, if you need java to run it then look at that page. Should contain all the info you need. I don't use java myself so i can't really help there.
[12:53] <GNU\colossus> if your system starts swapping, performance is shot anyways
[12:53] <s_> how to install dual boot i have instaled xp
[12:53] <Pici> !dualboot > s_ (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[12:55] <pyross> anyone here own a dell xps that can solve my problem i mentioned above ?
[12:56] <zeno_> Im trying to install java, ive tried sudo apt-get install -f, and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin, but niether work. heres apt output: http://pastebin.com/m497af469
[12:57] <zeno_> when i try to install the bin it says no canidate version
[12:57] <Nith> zeno_: you've got broken packages
[12:58] <Nith> zeno_: open synaptic, then go edit --> Fix broken packages
[12:58] <zeno_> sure thanks brb
[12:58] <Pici> zeno_: Make sure that you have the multiverse repo enabled.
[12:58] <s_> sorry ive have a message which says guided resize ide1 master partition #5 (hda5) and used free space
[12:58] <s_> will this ovewrite xp
[12:59] <s_> xp is another partition
[12:59] <pisca> hi
[12:59] <pisca> hi all
[12:59] <Pici> !hi
[12:59] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[13:00] <s_> any help
[13:00] <Pici> s_: the resize option should resize your xp parition and put ubuntu next to it.  It will prompt you before making any changes.
[13:00] <b0xxy> "Checking for C compiler default output file name...configure: error C compiler cannot create executables" when i try ./configure an eggdrop? wat does this mean?
[13:00] <zeno_> fix broken packages doesnt appear to do anything
[13:00] <hischild> b0xxy, install build-essential
[13:00] <zeno_> i have multiverse on
[13:01] <b0xxy> wat is the cmd?
[13:01] <pisca> terminal
[13:01] <hischild> b0xxy, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[13:01] <s_> the thing is that the partition of xp is only 15gb and here says new partition size 71 gb
[13:01] <zeno_> whats th terminal command for fixing the dependencies
[13:01] <s_> and that is d partition
[13:01] <b0xxy> installing
[13:01] <b0xxy> ta
[13:02] <b0xxy> will it work from now on then?
[13:02] <zeno_>  sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1) but it is not installable or
[13:02] <zeno_> why woudnt it be installable
[13:03] <unop_> zeno_,  aptitude why-not sun-java5-bin
[13:03] <zeno_> unop_, tried, it says no canidate version
[13:03] <b0xxy> apt-get install only seems to work for me
[13:03] <b0xxy> wats this aptitude
[13:03] <s_> any help with this
[13:03] <Nith> aptitude is similar to apt. They say it has better package resolution
[13:03] <unop_> zeno_, doesn't look like you have the latest package lists and/or don't have the multiverse repository enabled
[13:04] <Jahromeo> Heres my issue i reinstall windows and borked my grub - I need to fix it but i cant find my ubuntu installdisc is their a rescue disc i can dl - something small that would enable me to edit the grub?
[13:04] <zeno_> unop_, synaptic says its enabled
[13:04] <onats> hello, if i install the beta version of 8.04, will i need to do a full reinstall once the final one comes out?
[13:04] <onats> or i can just upgrade some stuff?
[13:04] <DJones> !beta | onats
[13:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:04] <unop_> zeno_, try this. sudo sh -c "aptitude update; aptitude install sun-java5-jre"
[13:04] <Jahromeo> onats upgrade some stuff
[13:04] <Jahromeo> would be my guess
[13:04] <onats> sure?
[13:04] <Pici> !final | onats
[13:04] <ubotu> onats: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[13:04] <Pici> onats: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Hardy/8.04 support/discussion.
[13:04] <onats> ok great
[13:05] <DJones> Thats the one i was looking for, I thought it was beta
[13:05] <zeno_> same error
[13:05] <zeno_> :(
[13:05] <onats> time to download
[13:05] <onats> :D
[13:05] <s_> please tell me will this part overwrite xp or not
[13:05] <beeriba> PIPR
[13:05] <unop_> zeno_, let's have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list -- use the !pastebin for that
[13:05] <zeno_> sure thx
[13:05] <onats> anyone got their suspend/hibernate working properly now?
[13:05] <Pici> !beta is <alias> final
[13:05] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[13:06] <Kanniball> hi!
[13:06] <Kanniball> is it possible to umount /boot without reboot from a live-cd?
[13:06] <susan> hai hoe are you
[13:06] <Jahromeo> Heres my issue i reinstall windows and borked my grub - I need to fix it but i cant find my ubuntu installdisc is their a rescue disc i can dl - something small that would enable me to edit the grub?
[13:06] <unop_> Kanniball, sure, just make sure it's not in use
[13:07] <hischild_> susan, type /join #ubuntu-nl for dutch support.
[13:07] <Pici> s_: What are you looking to do? Resize the xp partition? or install on an empty parition?
[13:07] <s_> to install ubuntu on the same partition where xp is
[13:08] <unop_> eh?
[13:08] <Kanniball> unop_: the /boot is the system boot, but I have always a message saying device is busy
[13:08] <s_> odd Pici what to do
[13:08] <pisca> i can find xlibs
[13:08] <Pici> s_: How big is the parition that xp is on? and is xp using all of that space currently?
[13:08] <Pici> !xlibs | pisca
[13:08] <ubotu> pisca: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following package: xorg-dev
[13:08] <pisca> i can't find xlibs
[13:08] <unop_> s_, you can't install ubuntu on the same partition as XP without ruining XP
[13:08] <s_> ITS 15GB
[13:09] <unop_> Kanniball, lsof | grep -i /boot
[13:09] <Pici> unop_: You'd have to resize the parition obviously, and install ubuntu in the resulting free space.
[13:09] <pisca> !xlibs
[13:09] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following package: xorg-dev
[13:09] <unop_> Kanniball, ^ should list processes that have /boot open
[13:09] <s_> so what should i do
[13:09] <Kanniball> unop_: it returns nothing, I now lsof... I've tried it before
[13:09] <unop_> Pici, i know that thanks :)
[13:10] <zeno_> unop_, http://pastebin.com/m32cae68a
[13:10] <FreakGuard> my dnsmasq doesn't want to answer dhcp-request... but the dhcp-request pakets are inc (tcpdump)
[13:10] <Pici> unop_: I know ;), just reiterating for s_
[13:11] <unop_> Kanniball, are you chrooted into the system at the moment?
[13:11] <s_> any expert here 4 ubuntu
[13:12] <Pici> s_: I'd do a manual paritioning and resize the xp parition and then use the resulting free space to add an ext3 parition for Ubuntu.  You're cutting it a bit small for both OSes though.
[13:12] <Kanniball> unop_: nop, just a regular ssh session (I need to  resize the partition)
[13:12] <Dr_willis> s_,  one normally resizes the windows partition, creating a new partition, and install linix to the new partition
[13:12] <Pici> s_: Also, you probably want to defrag your windows partition before resizing it.
[13:12] <Dr_willis> s_,  you have only a 15gb hard drive?
[13:12] <s_> i have more
[13:13] <zeno_> unop_, does it look okay?
[13:13] <s_> but i dont want to touch d partition cuz i have there some information
[13:13] <unop_> zeno_, what does this return?  apt-cache policy sun-java5-bin
[13:13] <unop_> zeno_, i can't find anything that might be the cause of the problem
[13:13] <Totem> !x11
[13:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[13:14] <s_> can someone guide me via private message
[13:14] <zeno_> (none) (none) and version table is blank
[13:14] <zeno_> time to go with the generalized linux binary?
[13:15] <zeno_> oh nm thats jsut for x86 i think
[13:15] <unop_> zeno_, hmm, run this command and inlcude it's output in a !paste.  sudo aptitude update
[13:15] <zeno_> im on power pc
[13:15] <unop_> ahh
[13:15] <unop_> that explains quite a bit
[13:16] <unop_> zeno_, you should be able to get the powerpc port from sun's website
[13:16] <dromer> hmmm, I have this weird problem: my soundcard can't play from more than 1 sound-source (apperantly), mplayer and vlc couldn't play sound when mpd was running for instance, any way to resolve this?
[13:16] <kane77> in what program can I "chop" video to smaller parts?
[13:16] <Lamego> kane77, lives
[13:17] <kinetic_> kane77 avidemux is a good one as well
[13:17] <Oprtz> hi when trying to install softwre to play video file it shows this kind of msg ( E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[13:17] <Oprtz> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[13:17] <Oprtz>  ) ?
[13:17] <onats> anyone got their suspend/hibernate working properly now?
[13:17] <zeno_> unop_, http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php
[13:17] <Lamego> Oprtz, open a terminal and run: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:17] <Oprtz> ok wait sir
[13:18] <Lamego> onats, that is a very hard question, suspend/hibernate is highly dependent on your hw
[13:18] <Oprtz> Lamego: it says OK
[13:18] <onats> lamego, i think i was having problems with my wireless card
[13:18] <Oprtz> thats all?
[13:18] <s_> i can c now the partition but it says cant find root
[13:18] <Quentin`> Hey there :)
[13:18] <unop_> zeno_, that appears blank but anyway, no need for that now, you need to manually install java
[13:19] <zeno_> hmmm the ppc version seem to be for the mac
[13:19] <Quentin`> please i've red many topics on how to configure ubuntu as to get the php mail function working... But it's still not working, i don't get anny error but the mail is not sent... Any idea on how to fix it, or at least how to get the error.. ?
[13:19] <zeno_> oh it tipped the spam filter
[13:19] <kane77> Lamego, kinetic_ thanx will try those
[13:19] <Oprtz> Lamego:  i am also not able to login on default screen asking username and password, i use failgnome session and then it let me IN, how to configure this please?
[13:19] <Lamego> Quentin`, Have you installed a local MTA like postfix ?
[13:20] <Quentin`> Lamego: yes i did, i installed postfix, then uncomment the line php.ini, then restart apache2, but nothing is sent...
[13:20] <Quentin`> :'(
[13:20] <Lamego> Oprtz, how did you get into that state ? Have you removed packages ?
[13:20] <Jianjun-Kong> :)hello,everyone
[13:20] <icesword> nite
[13:20] <Lamego> Quentin`, if you installed postfix you can check the mail logs, /var/log/mail.log
[13:21] <Lamego> if you use a local smtp you are not required to touch the php.ini at all
[13:21] <mltom> HardDrive Space Usage using Xubuntu 7.10???????
[13:21] <Quentin`> ok thank you Lamego i'm gonna check the log, thank you :)
[13:22] <Quentin`> Lamego, but the path wasn't in php.ini, i just added /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i to it
[13:22] <Oprtz> there was a guy who help me , because after giving username and passwords i just see a yellow screen , yes  we did something, i am new to linux, so dont know what he did to my pc, but actualy he helped me, and i am in now
[13:22] <Lamego> mltom, an ubuntu install, about 2G, xubuntu should be <
[13:22] <mltom> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[13:22] <mltom> /dev/hde1              32G  2.1G   28G   7% /
[13:22] <mltom> varrun                 62M  204K   62M   1% /var/run
[13:22] <mltom> varlock                62M     0   62M   0% /var/lock
[13:22] <mltom> udev                   62M   64K   62M   1% /dev
[13:22] <FloodBot2> mltom: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:22] <mltom> devshm                 62M     0   62M   0% /dev/shm
[13:22] <Lamego> Oprtz, if you don't know what you did to break your gnome session, it will be hard to fix it
[13:23] <mltom> no matter what I do , I can't get Xubuntu to use my whole drive
[13:23] <Oprtz> Lamego:  i get these errors in terminal now (update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[13:23] <Oprtz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:23] <Oprtz>  linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic
[13:23] <Oprtz> )
[13:23] <FloodBot2> Oprtz: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:23] <mltom> okay
[13:23] <Lamego> Oprtz, that is not an error, its a message from a package install
[13:24] <Lamego> ok, the last part is an er5ror :P
[13:24] <Oprtz> Lamego:  we just make a new user name and then we change the resoultion of screen and thats all
[13:24] <hischild> are the backports safe?
[13:24] <Oprtz> Lamego:  ahh ok
[13:24] <Oprtz> Lamego:  so now what to do? i love ubuntu and want to use it
[13:24] <mltom> I've installed Xubuntu 7.10 four times & used Gparted twice but still can't use the whole harddrive
[13:24] <Lamego> Oprtz, you did something else, installation related, creating an user and changing the resolution would not play with apt
[13:25] <jack_spratt> hey i got a really simple question I think, shouldnt take a min to answer....
[13:25] <jack_spratt>  im jus trying to set up pcmcia wireless card; its supported well in ndiswraper, so, i have installed ndiswraper, installed the driiver via gui (which seems to have gone fine accordintg to ndiswrapper -l), but i cant seem to activate the wireless interface...
[13:25] <jack_spratt> i installed wlanassistant but it didt work;l crashed out when it started; i also installed 'networlkl selector', but that makes no attempt to start up it seeems
[13:25] <jack_spratt>  do i need to install something else? seems that the fact i want to use wireless just hasnt registered whererever it needs to be.
[13:25] <Dani> hello ! i have a linux os , not a known distribution ! i want to install a program from source but i don't have a c compiler ! how can i install one ?
[13:25] <Lamego> hischild, in general, yes, they should be
[13:25] <Arelis> Hello everybody. I activated the framebuffer option by adding vga=something to the Kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, but when i boot that i get a black screen.
[13:25] <Arelis> Why?
[13:25] <hischild> Lamego, in general is good enough for me. Tnx
[13:25] <Lamego> Daniel^, try ##linux
[13:25] <Dani__> hello ! i have a linux os , not a known distribution ! i want to install a program from source but i don't have a c compiler ! how can i install one ?
[13:26] <Oprtz> Lamego: no we only do this and then he told me to log in with failgnome session, because normal login dont work for me, bcz of my vga i think
[13:26] <Pici> Dani__: This channel is only for Ubuntu support, please ask in ##linux
[13:26] <Evil_Ed> yo
[13:26] <Oprtz> Lamego: when i log in to my username it says u want to delete some files, then i accept it
[13:26] <Oprtz> maybe ur talking abt those files
[13:26] <Dani__> ubuntu is a linux disto ... ???
[13:26] <Pici> Dani__: Yes.
[13:27] <Lamego> Dani__, yes it is, one of many
[13:27] <Dani__> so .. why it is.. then why can't u answer my question ?
[13:27] <Pici> Dani__: But we only support Ubuntu, not 'random unknown distros'
[13:27] <Lamego> Dani__, because your question is not about Ubuntu in particular, you don't even seem to know what distro you are using
[13:27] <Dr_willis> Dani__,  check your disrtos docs/package manager.. install the needed packages.
[13:27] <Dr_willis> ask a vague question. get a vague answer. :)
[13:27] <Dani__> but the same solution may apply
[13:28] <jack_spratt> no one can help with the very siimple question of mine above?
[13:28] <Pici> Dani__: Exactly.
[13:28] <Lamego> Dani__, or it may not
[13:28] <Dr_willis> Dani__,   'package management' is one of the MAJOR differances in some of the different disrtos.
[13:28] <dromer> can someone help me get the right driver for my soundcard? (if that's the problem)
[13:28] <Dani__> k..i'll they don;t answer i;ll be back :))
[13:28] <jack_spratt> it should only take 2 ticks...
[13:28] <Lamego> jack_spratt, it would be simple if someone had the answer, which is not the case :)
[13:28] <Beererde> hi. how can disable scrollkeeper-update?
[13:29] <Pici> Dani__: And we'll tell you the same thing when you get back.
[13:29] <Evil_Ed> you tell me ;)
[13:29] <Oprtz> Lamego:  it ask to restart my machine ? should i go for that?
[13:29] <jack_spratt> bah
[13:29] <Lamego> Beererde, you could rename it's binary, but that is something you should not do
[13:30] <Beererde> Lamego: no other way?
[13:30] <kane77> is medibuntu repository trusted? (stupid question but I'm sometimes paranoid about things :D)
[13:30] <stwange_> it's quite possibly this is coincidence, but twice I've left my machine on for more than 7 days, and both times the internet has slowed to 20kb/s download (instead of usually at least 200kb/s, sometimes close to 1000). Is there anything I should check that could be causing this?
[13:30] <Lamego> Beererde, none that I am aware, update-scrollkeeper should always be available to manage gnome documentation during soft install/uninstall
[13:31] <Lamego> stwange_, /var/log/messages
[13:31] <unop_> stwange_, did you compare your downloads across many sources?
[13:32] <Oprtz> Lamego:  i restart my computer and now i can log in without failgnome session :) thanks for ur help
[13:32] <stwange_> unop_, yeah, repositories, either of my shells, google, youtube (same server i know), adobe, every site takes ages to load and downloads are capped at 20kb. Streaming radio from the bbc doesn't work either, keeps jumping
[13:33] <aoupi> hi, somehowe I have ended up with green scrollbars and lightblue text in input boxes, I removed a theme I had in .themes and now gnome doesn't work, I went into fluxbox but still the green scrollbars and lightblue text, then I got xubuntu but still the same. where do I change the colors of the scrollbars and input text?
[13:33] <stwange_> Lamego, it's mainly a mix of: Apr 11 12:39:51 blackweb -- MARK -- and Apr 11 12:50:44 blackweb kernel: [690910.682420] hdc: lost interrupt
[13:34] <aoupi> oh, also window border is green, this color is making my head hurt :)
[13:34] <onats> whats the application that looks like mac's dock?
[13:35] <kinetic_> avant window manager
[13:35] <onats> !avant
[13:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:35] <DJones> !awn
[13:35] <ubotu> Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager is included in Universe for Hardy, installation instructions for Gutsy can be found here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[13:35] <urGy> aoupi: system -> prefrenses -> apperence
[13:36] <onats> thanks!:)
[13:36] <aoupi> urGy: I'm in xubuntu now since gnome decided not to start, but I tired that before, changing themes and colors didn't help
[13:37] <IdleOne> !awn | kinetic_
[13:37] <ubotu> kinetic_: Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager is included in Universe for Hardy, installation instructions for Gutsy can be found here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[13:37] <IdleOne> ohh errr
[13:37] <urGy> aoupi: Ok... I see.. Sorry, don't know xubuntu that well... But give me a sec...
[13:39] <aoupi> urGy: this is how it looks: http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=30470_Iwantcolors.png
[13:40] <urGy> aoupi: ouch! thats really awfull!
[13:40] <aoupi> no kidding :)
[13:40] <zeno_> OH MY GOD i rebooted and my home directory is gone, x wont start and most programs arnt installed WTF
[13:40] <aoupi> I think it might have to do with gdm since it's the same in both xubuntu and fluxbox
[13:41] <aoupi> but I couldn't find anything relevent when I looked around in the conf files, maybe I'm missing something
[13:41] <blue__> ubuntu logout sound is truncated..so how can i prevent this?
[13:41] <Dr_willis> sounds almost like the red went out on the monitor aoupi
[13:41] <aoupi> Dr_willis: no, that's not the problem, it's just some theme-weirdness
[13:41] <blue__> any settings for logout sound hearing?
[13:42] <Dr_willis> aoupi,  it may be your gtk theme settings.  but that wouldent affect fluxbox.. UNLESS you run gtk apps in fluxbox..
[13:42] <eu-jin> blue__ - sys>pref>sound?
[13:42] <aoupi> Dr_willis: I did run gtk apps actualy
[13:42] <Dr_willis> aoupi,  try making a new user - see if it affects them?
[13:43] <urGy> aoupi: sorry m8.. couldn't find it....
[13:43] <blue__> i know it eu-jin but logout i think too fast and shuts the sound
[13:43] <aoupi> Dr_willis: ok, be back in a minute or two
[13:43] <Dr_willis> actually running a gtk app under fluxbox. would still be using the fluxbox themes for the window deforation. just not the wiegets.
[13:43] <aoupi> urGy: ok, thanks for trying
[13:43] <blue__> i have a sound for logout
[13:43] <komputes> Ikeep getting NumLk after logging in because it remembers that NumLk was on at shutdown, does anyone know how to turn off NumLk from memory after logging in?
 sorry. if that's the case, i dun really have any idea y.. =)
[13:44] <blue__> but logout is so fast that i cant hear my sound
[13:44] <blue__> ubuntu logout sound lol
[13:44] <cicco> !list
[13:44] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[13:45] <mans_> #pinoysex
[13:46] <joep> Hello. Does anybody know what is used in ubuntu for the command chkconfig?
[13:46] <Dr_willis> joep,  Huh?
[13:47] <x0x> hello
[13:47] <x0x> how to install GD2 libraries ?
[13:47] <hischild> !find GD2
[13:47] <ubotu> Found: libgd-gd2-perl, libgdchart-gd2-noxpm, libgdchart-gd2-noxpm-dev, libgd-gd2-noxpm-perl, libgdchart-gd2-xpm (and 5 others)
[13:47] <raboof> someone set the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/84900 to 'invalid', which imho is incorrect
[13:47] <hischild> x0x, which one? ^
[13:47] <natalisushka> Hi ppl. I am having a problem with compiz on my laptop (LG, 1.7GH Centrino, ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] 768MB of RAMS, ubuntu 7.10) .. The problem is that everytime I turn it on, it works fine until I use a lot of processor consuming softwares or a lot of apps, my system totally freezes (even mouse) and there is no way to solve it except my switching off power manually :( I just need some advice, shall i increase
[13:47] <natalisushka>  memory ? or is it ATI? is there something I can install to solve this problem?
[13:47] <raboof> is it ok for me to change the status back? or what is the procedure here?
[13:48] <joep> Dr_willis: The standard linux command to control the network environment.
[13:48] <aoupi> Dr_willis: hey, it looked normal! :D
[13:48] <aoupi> Dr_willis: in both gnome and xfce
[13:48] <aoupi> Dr_willis: what preferences should I delete to fix my account?
[13:48] <Ehlyah> also in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper
[13:48] <Dr_willis> joep,  i cant recall ever seeing that as a standard command.
[13:48] <hischild> raboof, it was set to invalid because it was not a bug but a feature removed on purpose.
[13:49] <Dr_willis> aoupi,  Not sure. :) you could start moving stuff to some .backup_configs dir and see which does it. I would start with the .gtk* dirs
[13:49] <joep> Dr_willis: Look in Fedora (Redhat) and Suse to name 2.
[13:49] <aoupi> Dr_willis: ok, I'll play around a bit :)
[13:50] <Dr_willis> joep,  just because they have it does not make it 'standard linux' command. They have a lot of other  customized utilities that are not in the varioys debian related disrtos.
[13:50] <raboof> hischild: not really. imho removing the feature was a temporary fix to a practical problem
[13:50] <crdlb> raboof: you could ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[13:50] <raboof> hischild: there could well be another way to solve the problem, which doesn't require removing the feature
[13:50] <hischild> raboof, i quote from tapas at comment 11 "this is not a bug but broken by design."
[13:50] <hischild> raboof, also, offtopic
[13:51] <joep> Dr_willis: : Yes, I discover that in my process to go from FC7 to Ubuntu. Sound is completely different, the security is different and that are the things I just have found.
[13:51] <Dr_willis> joep,  you missed the package management system. :)
[13:51] <natalisushka>  Hi ppl. I am having a problem with compiz on my laptop (LG, 1.7GH Centrino, ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] 768MB of RAMS, ubuntu 7.10) .. The problem is that everytime I turn it on, it works fine until I use a lot of processor consuming softwares or a lot of apps, my system totally freezes (even mouse) and there is no way to solve it except my switching off power manually :( I just need some advice, shall i increase
[13:51] <psycoman> how can i enable XShm extension ?
[13:51] <natalisushka>  memory ? or is it ATI? is there something I can install to solve this problem?
[13:51] <Ehlyah> in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper and wlan0 exists, but isn't detected by network monitor
[13:51] <joep> Dr_willis: You mean synaptic?
[13:52] <Dr_willis> joep,  synaptic is just a front end to the apt-get/dpkg/deb system.
[13:52] <unop_> joep, you could use update-rc.d instead of chkconfig
[13:53] <daro> Hi, can anyone answer a question about ubuntu and linux in general?
[13:53] <joep> Dr_willis: Ok., good to know but I am of course accustomed to RPM and dpkg is still a mystery for me.
[13:53] <Dr_willis> update-rc.d  - has to be one of the worse/oddest named commands ive seen in a long time.
[13:53] <erUSUL> !ask | daro
[13:53] <ubotu> daro: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:53] <unop_> joep, or service - provided by sysvconfig
[13:53] <erUSUL> Dr_willis: why update the rc directory links → update-rc.d ;P
[13:53] <Wyvern|> Hey, does anyone know how I can get a cron job to run more frequently than once per hour?
[13:54] <joep> unop_: You mean sysvconfig is a replacement for chkconfig?
[13:54] <unop_> joep, there's a reasons things are different, the difference is one of the reasons the distros are set apart.
[13:54] <daro> Why does linux/ubuntu have software packs that don't have all the needed files for the installation, why not just give all software packs the needed files? I am talking about Skype specifically
[13:54] <Dr_willis> erUSUL,  yea.. lets put dashes AND dots in command names! heh
[13:54] <hischild> joep, use apt-get and it should feel quite alike to yum.
[13:55] <unop_> joep, i believe the RH based distros have a 'service' command .. if you install the sysvconfig package you get it .. otherwise update-rc.d is the preferred way to control services
[13:55] <Dr_willis> daro,  skype is not exactly under the controll of ubuntu. so  that may be the issue with skype.
[13:55] <Ehlyah> in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper and wlan0 exists, but isn't detected by network monitor
[13:55] <erUSUL> Dr_willis: common practice if you ask me to put .d for directories of conf files in debian and it is getting more common the last to join the club sources.list and its /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ XD
[13:55] <Dr_willis> daro,  the package manager system is supposed to get needed deps  when you install things with apt-get. a BIG file that contained them all.. would be redundant.
[13:55] <maek> daro I agree Linux really needs a setup.exe type file to install software
[13:56] <Dr_willis> maek,  and we need spyware also! :)
[13:56] <joep> unop_: Yes, that's one of the reasons I want to switch to ubuntu as I have the impression it is faster with updates for the various programs and a little more transparant but it also has the "MSW" problem to hide averything that is relevant.
[13:56] <Dr_willis> and a dozen different isntaller tools.. and a dozen more Update tools!
[13:56] <hischild> maek, we have that. It's called .deb's
[13:56] <maek> yeah but no one uses deb files
[13:56] <Dr_willis> self installing .debs ! :)
[13:56] <psycoman> how can i enable XShm extension in xorg? or it will builtin ?
[13:57] <Dr_willis> psycoman,  you edit the xorg.conf and put in the proper options..  (and no i dont rember them)
[13:57] <maek> Dr_willis, not everything you want is in the repos
[13:57] <Dr_willis> maek,  so?
[13:57] <daro> Is there a way of installing skype on Ubuntu, because I downloaded a .tar.gz file from Skype but when I try to install it it tells me that it doesn't have all the dependencies
[13:57] <kinetic_> skype has a deb
[13:57] <unop> joep, sorry, what is MSW?
[13:57] <kinetic_> just not in repo
[13:58] <maek> compiling from source is painful
[13:58] <daro> kinetic_ where can I find this .deb package because in www.skype.com I dont find it anywhere
[13:58] <Ehlyah> in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper and wlan0 exists, but isn't detected by network monitor
[13:58] <DJones> !skype | daro
[13:58] <ubotu> daro: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[13:58] <hischild> maek, everything i want is in the repo's
[13:58] <daro> !skype
[13:59] <Dr_willis> daro,  you dont get the auto-dependencies isntalled with single deb file installation. thats why apt-get and the repoitory system exists.
[13:59] <Dr_willis> if you download a single deb. you are taking responsibility to find all the needed dependencies.
[13:59] <maek> dependencies are crap ...
[13:59] <kinetic_>  cool, they have a repo for skype now
[13:59] <checkers> hi, what's the default file manager in ubuntu called?
[13:59] <maek> it should be all in the OS
[14:00] <kinetic_> nautilus
[14:00] <hischild> Dr_willis, .deb's do install dependencies for me
[14:00] <joep> unop: Short for MicroSoftWindows (the worst OS ever!).
[14:00] <hischild> checkers, nautilus
[14:00] <maek> checkers, nautilus
[14:00] <kinetic_> checkers: nautilus
[14:00] <checkers> thanks, will it be the same in 8.04?
[14:00] <unop> maek, dependencies make the world go round  they're good
[14:00] <Dr_willis> hischild,  oh? how ya managing that?
[14:00] <Dr_willis> i rarely ever get a single .deb :)
[14:00] <maek> yeah and a lot better version checkers
[14:00]  * Ehlyah spams her question some more
[14:00] <Ehlyah> in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper and wlan0 exists, but isn't detected by network monitor
[14:00] <joep> checkers: The default is nautilus. If you want to run it under root don't forget to use xhost +.
[14:00] <kinetic_> .deb's do not handle dependencies..apt does
[14:01] <hischild> Dr_willis, well i got a deb once that i needed, and it said to me that it needed to get 47 dependencies. So i hit install, type password, hit install again, it dl'd the dependencies and voila
[14:01] <unop> joep, i don't know what you mean by that but the great thing is you can customize everything pretty much to your needs.
[14:01] <maek> in windows theres no dependencies
[14:01] <Dr_willis> hischild,  'hit install' You mean you used the GUI tools.. not 'dpkg'
[14:01] <maek> its all in the OS
[14:01] <Kinetic> maek : not true
[14:01] <hischild> Dr_willis, true
[14:01] <unop> maek, there are, you just don't see them
[14:01] <Dr_willis> maek,  thats 100% wrong.
[14:01] <maek> except for .NET
[14:01] <Pici> daro, Dr_willis: gdebi will pull in needed dependencies from apt, dpkg will not.
[14:01] <hischild> Dr_willis, we're talking about .deb's, not about dpkg ;-)
[14:02] <unop> maek, dependencies are handled by the installers, it's all taken care of for you
[14:02] <Dr_willis> hischild,  you are talking about gdebi not .deb's :)
[14:02] <joep> unop: In WIndows??? Everything is hidden, error messages are meaningless, etc. I have given up on Windows >10 years ago and have never regretted it (especially as we have VMWARE{!).
[14:02] <hischild> Dr_willis, .exe like files are .deb's, which are both installed using GUI tools. dpkg is a command line tool for which windows has none.
[14:03] <Dr_willis> so the question is.. is there a command line tool that will look at a .deb file and determine the needed dependences?
[14:03] <Dr_willis> hischild,  thers some flaws with that logic.. :) but i will let it pass..
[14:03] <itguru> I have to transfer a 600MB file, and I wish to use SCP to do it, but I do not want to sap all the bandwith of the link it's going to *remote office abroad with a 256k line* how can I make this transfer go slowly?
[14:03] <maek> but anyway as a whole the Linux community needs to come up with a good file type that will install software painlessly across all distros
[14:03] <Ehlyah> in need of help. Desktop with ubuntu won't connect to internet. Drivers were installed with ndiswrapper and wlan0 exists, but isn't detected by network monitor
[14:03] <joep> Dr_willis: IN fedora ther is: it's called yum.
[14:03] <Dr_willis> maek,  go for it...
[14:04] <unop> joep, if you are implying that ubuntu behaves like windows in that respect, everyone in here will disagree :)
[14:04] <Dr_willis> Package management/software management is such a 'interesting' topic.. so many neat little things to look out for.
[14:04] <Kinetic> maek: across all distros..ill agree... but most major distros have  really good package managing in place already
[14:04] <maek> lol Dr_willis all I know is MS basic
[14:04] <Kinetic> no mroe difficult than windows..just a different world
[14:04] <joep> maek: I have no experince with dpkg but RPM does a reasonably good job. You also can look up at smart, which tries to do what you want.
[14:04] <Dr_willis> maek,  time to learn some Comal! and Forth!
[14:05] <unop> maek, package managers manage things quite well, really no need to reinvent the wheel again.
[14:05] <Kinetic> i work in desktop engineering... trust me windows pinstallers are FAR FAR FAR from perfect
[14:05] <Kinetic> repackaging a windows app is hell
[14:05] <Dr_willis> Kinetic,  you design Desks? :)
[14:05] <Kinetic> correct :)
[14:06] <Kinetic> best desks this side of the mississippi!
[14:06] <maek> Kinetic, how are we going to get proprietary software makers to make software for Linux ... they are not going to muck around with different file types
[14:06] <Ehlyah> my network exists when I type ifconfig and I can modify it in network settings, but I still can't connect. Help?
[14:06] <_Andrew> maek, They already do, Skype being a good example
[14:06] <Kinetic> maek just takes time... you'd be surprised how many vendors DO support linux that you dont know about
[14:06] <aoupi> Dr_willis: I moved all .gtk* files away and now it looks nice again, thanks :)
[14:07] <unop> maek, they can release their products as tarballs (which most do) and the various distros then make packages from the tarballs.
[14:07] <Kinetic> half the time you wont see the linux versions if you are coming froma windows box
[14:07] <benpicco> Hi, where can one enter the PMK key of a WPA encrypted wlan?
[14:07] <Kinetic> unless you dig
[14:07] <joep> unop: well, I'm a newbie in Ubuntu (with >15 years of Unix experience and all the graphic stuff that hides the real thing is in some respect a disaster as it doesn't give you the tools and the means to resolve problems in the interface between hardware and software.
[14:07] <psycoman> i dont find in google how to setup xshm module, some know how to enable it ?
[14:07] <maek> all the big software companies really need to make Linux versions of their software like Photoshop for example
[14:08] <alphakamp> Game studios need to make games for Linux
[14:08] <Dr_willis> maek,  and all the big companies need to just hand out large amounts of Money also!
[14:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:08] <skarface> maek: yeah, they need a new market for warez
[14:08] <jack_spratt> has anybody here ever used ndiswrapper?
[14:08] <Dr_willis> while we are wishing for the 'not going to happen' stuff....
[14:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:08] <_Andrew> maek, CS2 works under wine if you're looking to get it running
[14:08] <Kinetic> joep : well said
[14:08] <Ehlyah> does CS3 work under wine?
[14:08] <hischild> Ehlyah, no
[14:09] <Ehlyah> fudge
[14:09] <maek> unop but its always open up to the terminal cd to the tarballs directory and input confusing commands to make the software install
[14:09] <unop> joep, if you have that much experience, you don't really need the graphical tools (thats really an excuse) - the CLI provides you pretty much the same means of troubleshooting across distros (unless you depend on disto-specific tools like chkconfig :) )
[14:09]  * benpicco wonders weather and when UT3 will be released for linux
[14:09] <alphakamp> I found a how to that says TF2 works under the latest wine, you need at least a 7 series card for it to work well though
[14:10] <maek> _Andrew, im just looking at things from the 3rd person rather from my point of view ... I can install anything in Linux no problems
[14:10] <_Andrew> I know portal and Half life 2 epsiode 2 work on wine
[14:10] <Kinetic> they still havne't released UT3 port?
[14:10] <hischild> not to ruin the fun for all you package discussion guys, but please take it to offtopic or somewhere else.
[14:10] <Ehlyah> my network exists when I type ifconfig and I can modify it in network settings, but I still can't connect. Help?
[14:10] <alphakamp> Ive tried it but everytime i would exit the game, X would crash
[14:11] <Kinetic> cedega is great..not "free" but i run anything i want to play on it...anything that doesnt work with cedega i dont want to play anyways
[14:11] <unop> maek, well, it's better than put everything into a graphical installer and you have no access to manipulate the package - it's the way you have the maximum outreach across distros -- and most of the popular products are packaged by distro maintainers
[14:11] <Jowi> Ehlyah: can you ping the gateway?
[14:11] <maek> but when a windows user comes across to Linux and they go to a website and download a tarball and double click on it and it doesn't do anything
[14:11] <_Andrew> Ehlyah, Is it a wired connection?
[14:11] <joep> unop: I agree to a certain level. The problem is that the distro's use the graphic tools to install all programs but don't explain exactly what they do. It is often like trying to fix your radio without an scheme.
[14:11] <Kinetic> maek: windows users still have to RTFM
[14:12] <Ehlyah> _Andrew, no wifi
[14:12] <Kinetic> hence the many viruses and worms they get from blindly double clicking anything with .exe
[14:12] <Ehlyah> jowi, how? total newbie here
[14:12] <maek> I suppose Kinetic
[14:12] <unop> joep, there's excellent documentation thats always available when you are stuck - unless you are not bothered to go through it
[14:12] <Pici> !offtopic | Kinetic maek joep unop
[14:12] <ubotu> Kinetic maek joep unop: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[14:12] <Jowi> !wifi | Ehlyah (good place to start if you haven't already read it)
[14:12] <ubotu> Ehlyah (good place to start if you haven't already read it): Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:12] <Kinetic> Pici ?
[14:12] <Jowi> Ehlyah: sorry, can't help with wireless (since I don't have one)
[14:12] <maek> sorry mods ... got a bit carried away there lolz
[14:12] <Pici> Please take philosophical discussion of package management elsewhere, perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic.
[14:13] <Kinetic> ok
[14:13] <joep> Kinetic: Don't let me laugh! manuals written by marketeers for dumbo's. Look at the problemsolving tool that is used .
[14:13] <Ehlyah> I've read about a million how tos and tutorials already, but I suppose one more can't hurt
[14:13] <Pici> This channel is meant only for Ubuntu Support Questions and Answers.
[14:13] <maek> rightyo anyone got an Ubuntu problem ??
[14:13] <joep> Yes, sorry. I was carried away.
[14:14] <reduser5> hey all ... bit of a linux novice here - what are the best methods to view which processes / services etc are active on my workstation and what status they may be in?
[14:14] <reduser5> (please)
[14:14] <hischild> reduser5, try the system monitor under system -> adminstration
[14:14] <reduser5> tks
[14:14] <Pici> reduser5: you could us ps aux, or top (or install htop, its more usable that top is)
[14:14] <joep> maek; How to solve the request from vmware to shutdown IPv6?
[14:15] <maek> the process manager is bloody good in ubuntu
[14:15] <joep> (make: therefore I needed chkconfig).
[14:15] <_Andrew> reduser5, System -> Admin -> System Monitor
[14:15] <_Andrew> reduser5, Resources tab
[14:15] <maek> I don't have a lot of experience with VMware sorry joep ... I used it to install ubuntu once though
[14:16] <benpicco> reduser5: if you need something non-graphical, you'll like htop
[14:16] <Pici> joep: You seek to disable ipv6?
[14:16] <joep> Pici: yes.
[14:16] <unop_> joep, i already told you - update-rc.d as a replacement for chkconfig
[14:16] <unop_> man update-rc.d
[14:16] <Pici> !ipv6 | joep this should help you
[14:16] <ubotu> joep this should help you: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[14:16] <Dr_willis> alias chkconfig='update-rc.d'
[14:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:17] <unop_> Dr_willis, err, that wont quite cut it tho :)
[14:17] <Dr_willis> and here i thought chkconfig was for checking the samba smb.conf file..
[14:17] <Belkinhelp3> hello all
[14:17] <_Andrew> hi
[14:17] <jack_spratt> ok, this is frustrating, 1233 users, many or most of whom have used ndiswrapper i imagine, none of whom are prepared to even aknowledge as much or give me a few simple replies
[14:17] <joep> unop: Sorry. I didn't realise that, I thought it was a directory. I look it up.
[14:17] <Jianjun-Kong> hello,Belkinhelp3
[14:17] <Belkinhelp3> im new to ubuntu...about 3 months old now
[14:17] <JaccoH> ok so who took packages.ubuntu.com down? come on.. admit :D
[14:17] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, You said something?
[14:17] <Jianjun-Kong> I have use ubuntu 2 years.
[14:18] <bazhang> jack_spratt: what simple reply did you wish? perhaps I can comply
[14:18] <Belkinhelp3> 3 days ago i had a power outage that killed my system.  I have another system to replace it
[14:18] <Dr_willis> simple reply = I dont use wireless.. sorry..
[14:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:18] <jack_spratt> andrew; bazhang: thanks
[14:18] <unop_> JaccoH, it's been that way for a couple of days now -- you can always use apt-cache and dpkg to do searching
[14:18] <Belkinhelp3> my question is this, i have on the new system a raid controller for SATA
[14:18] <jrib> jack_spratt: if no one knows how to help you, no one will answer.  Try again later or try the other !support options
[14:18] <alphakamp> jack_spratt: I would help you but I havent had to use ndiswrapper with my laptop, Fiesty got wireless working with restrited drivers module
[14:18] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, I'm looking for a question.. You didn't ask one
[14:18] <Belkinhelp3> does anyone here notice a difference using a RAID SATA for Ubuntu
[14:19] <Belkinhelp3> im mean, installing the Ubuntu OS onto the RAID
[14:19] <jack_spratt> andrew: i did, different times in different ways over the last hour
[14:19] <jack_spratt> andrew: hang on
[14:19] <JaccoH> mm ok
[14:20] <Belkinhelp3> Conversely, does Ubuntu have something similar to windows page file?  Could that be set for RAID as well?
[14:20] <jack_spratt> andrew: basically all i want to ask is, when you have installed a ndiswrapper driver using the gui, how do you connect?
[14:20] <JaccoH> so is there a simple way to use/test the hardy kernel on gutsy? or do i have to risk upgrading? :)
[14:20] <alphakamp> Belkinhelp3: I havent done so but I dont see why SATA wouldnt provide an performacne increase over say, IDE
[14:20] <benpicco> Belkinhelp3: the swap partition
[14:20] <hischild> Belkinhelp3, it's called a swap file. I think you can do it as well on RAID.
[14:20] <jack_spratt> alphakamp: thanks for answering
[14:20] <Belkinhelp3> And lastly, my original HD is still functional.  Can i simply install it into another system and will Ubuntu recognize the new hardware accordingly or would I have to do a fresh install?
[14:21] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  ive had mixed luck with doing that.. depends on the exact hardware changes.
[14:21] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  try it and see. :)  whats it going to hurt.
[14:21] <jrib> jack_spratt: have you read the wiki page on wifi however?
[14:21] <jack_spratt> jrib: i think so, can you link?
[14:21] <Belkinhelp3> Dr_willis....how about this then...install Ubuntu on the RAID then install the original drive...can I access it with a fresh version of Ubuntu?
[14:22] <jrib> !wifi > jack_spratt (read the private message from ubotu)
[14:22] <jack_spratt> jrib: i read the help pages associated with the apps
[14:22] <jack_spratt> jrib: ok
[14:22] <joep> unop: I've read the manpages on it but it is actually a wrapper application for easy maintaining the runlevels of the different applications.
[14:22] <unop_> Belkinhelp3, i usually plug the new HDD in, boot up with a live CD chroot in and run this.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-blah
[14:22] <Belkinhelp3> Im really new at ubuntu and unsure.  With windows i would know how to get the data
[14:22] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, You want to use your wifi?
[14:23] <unop_> joep, so, what is missing that chkconfig provides?
[14:23] <benpicco> Belkinhelp3: if you want to do a fresh install and keep all your settings/personal data, just backpu your home folder
[14:23] <Belkinhelp3> ok sounds good....linux-image-blah would be what then?
[14:23] <joep> I use for several years now Webmin, an application that gives a browser interface to many applications and I can do practically all maintenance with that tool.
[14:23] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  with 'raid' i have found that way too many machines have cheap semi-software raid controllers. that are a pain to get going. Ive stopped using raid.
[14:23] <unop_> Belkinhelp3, well, linux-image-<version_number> .. is a package
[14:23] <Belkinhelp3> benpicco...ok...fresh install and then copy home folder onto the fresh install did i get the right?
[14:24] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  i would keep linux on the non-raid drive to play with. :)
[14:24] <jader> #macapa
[14:24] <jack_spratt> andrew: yes
[14:24] <unop_> !webmin | joep
[14:24] <ubotu> joep: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[14:24] <_Andrew> System->Admin->Network
[14:24] <_Andrew> jack_spratt,  System->Admin->Network
[14:24] <jack_spratt> andrew: the card is supported in ndiswrapper, the driver is installed, the driver works on other distros
[14:24] <unop_> joep, webmin works somewhat, but it's really not something you should rely on
[14:24] <benpicco> Belkinhelp3: You prophaly won't need to reinstall everything, but just in case you have to, that's the way you get the system in the same state you left it ;)
[14:24] <Belkinhelp3> Dr_willis and all, where can i find information on performance for OS on RAID or just simply the page file on RAID?  Id like to compare if someone has already done it
[14:25] <jack_spratt> andrew: ok, in there are only two options, modem and ethernet, i cant seem to add a wireles interface
[14:25] <benpicco> Belkinhelp3: as all personal configuration ist stored in your home
[14:25] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, Did you just install it? Maybe you need to restart before it shows up?
[14:25] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  thers a large varity of raid setups, and a larger varity of controllers and thenya got all sorts of other things to look out for. :)
[14:25] <unop_> benpicco, Belkinhelp3 - it's not necessary that you do a complete reinstall - that would be a waste of your time
[14:25] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, Is your Wifi turned on?
[14:25] <Belkinhelp3> benpicco...yes all personal data is in home folder
[14:25] <jack_spratt> andrew: it has been restarted, from cli 'ndiswrapper -l' shows device is present
[14:26] <jack_spratt> andrew: maybe i need ndiswrapper -m or something first??
[14:26] <joep> ubotu: I didn't know that. That's bad news. Is there any reason for? and unop: I want to turn off ipv6 only and that is turned on somewhere in I thought IP-tables but of that I'm not sure.
[14:26] <Belkinhelp3> Dr_willis...im just looking at RAID 0, lets call it striping because as far as I can tell there is no redundancy
[14:26] <jack_spratt> andrew: its pcmcia; no way to turn it on or off physically as far as i know if thats what you mean
[14:27] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  ive given up totally on raid. so cant help much. I dident find the gain worth the pain.
[14:27] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, Try restarting and going to System->Admin->Network
[14:27] <Belkinhelp3> Dr_willis...software or hardware RAID?
[14:27] <jack_spratt> well ok, but itt has been restarted once since the driver was installed; you think i should restart again now?
[14:28] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  finding a total hardware raid. seems to bea bit hard these days. :) without spending  more $$$ then i want.
[14:28] <Oprtz> hi there
[14:28] <Dr_willis> Belkinhelp3,  then theres the total software route - that i hear under linux - works decently.. THEn ya got the cheap raid controllers on most MB;s that are semi-hardware...
[14:28] <Oprtz> i am using vesa" driver and you need help switching to the "intel" driver.
[14:29] <damaltor> hey there, can someone tell me when ubuntu 8.04 will be there? i hope it will not be a 8.05... thanks!
[14:29] <Belkinhelp3> ok, wish me luck
[14:29] <hischild> !hardy | damaltor
[14:29] <ubotu> damaltor: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:29] <Belkinhelp3> thanks all
[14:29] <jack_spratt> _Andrew: ?
[14:29] <damaltor> thanks
[14:29] <unop_> joep, ubotu is the resident bot, it's not an actual person - to turn off ipv6, you need to change 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6 ' to 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and reboot
[14:29] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, Have you read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[14:29] <Oprtz> i am using vesa" driver and you need help switching to the "intel" driver.
[14:30] <Dallas> can someone tell me how to find a certin subject? I just DL HyIRC, I have no idea what im doing
[14:30] <fd12> what is a good program that can make an image out of my current install and restore it when i want if i screw up later?
[14:30] <unop_> joep, webmin is really the lazy man's tool -- it's not comprehensive enough to manage a system effectively (whether it be redhat or slackware or debian, etc) - it's bad for you :)
[14:31] <jack_spratt> _Andrew: just rereading it now
[14:31] <joep> unop: Sorry: I was talking to a robot!but thanks a lot. In Ubuntu a lot is very much different so this channel is a real help for getting answers. I have saved your answer.
[14:31] <Dallas> no one?
[14:32] <SyberJJ> anyone can help me out? i wanna isntall wine but it is listed "grey" in the add/remove software list
[14:32] <Dr_willis> joep,   theres a free book on ubuntu - google for ubuntu training wiki.
[14:32] <bazhang> fd12: better to install a seperate home partition; that way you can screw up and then reinstall and all your private stuff will be saved; currently though (guessing you have not done this) you might try aptoncd, rsync, among other options
[14:32] <Dr_willis> joep,  300+ pages in pdf frmat
[14:32] <hischild> joep, Dr_willis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[14:33] <bazhang> also accessed via the !training trigger
[14:33] <Dr_willis> Oh they FINIALLY added that factoid! :)
[14:33] <joep> unop: I know! I know!  It is so easy that you forget the quirks. Moreover it is written in Perl so I can dablle a little in the innards.
[14:33] <jack_spratt> andrew: modprobe ndiswrapper jjust hangs
[14:33] <shanky> good afternoon
[14:34] <shanky> I have a gutsy installed since a few a months ago
[14:34] <unop_> joep, well, what can i say? you can install webmin if you really want but it's really not very hard once you learn a few of the basic administration tools you'll be flying
[14:34] <shanky> and since yesterday, and without installing anything especial, I can't use usb devices
[14:35] <shanky> I get a lot of: "Apr 11 15:32:54 porfinlinux kernel: [78124.280000] usb 7-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 72" messages
[14:35] <joep> Dr_willis: Thanks for the tip but does it register the differences with e.g. Fedora?? I don't want to read 300+ pages of which I know most part. Most important of course is the directory structure and the use of e.g.the messagebus by the different applications. i want the technical information.
[14:35] <bazhang> fd12: you can also clone your current system; see /msg ubotu clone for more info
[14:36] <jack_spratt> _Andrew: so what now?
[14:36] <Dr_willis> joep,  nope. its a text book for a total beginners guide to ubuntu. book. it even has a teachers edition, and student edition.
[14:36] <SyberJJ> so am i the ony one uable to install ubuntu?
[14:36] <jones> hello everyone
[14:36] <joep> unop: to be honest: most of it I know: but Webmin is so easy!!
[14:36] <Dr_willis> joep,  but its free. :) so why not download it   and skimm it
[14:36] <b0xxy> can anyone help me with this error, iv tryed all i can i dont understand anymore, its for an eggdrop - http://paste.org/index.php?id=2588
[14:36] <umj> net
[14:36] <jack_spratt> _Andrew: shouldn't the ndiswrapper gui automatically start ndiswrapper service once it has installed a driver?
[14:36] <jones> i am wondering if anybody has problem setting up vhost for Symfony PHP on Ubuntu?
[14:36] <trickskite> ubuntu-fr
[14:36] <bazhang> SyberJJ: you need to detail your errors with some precision then we can perhaps offer help
[14:36] <unop_> joep, webmin is easy alright, too easy to do much practically (one of the reasons ubuntu and debian frown upon it)
[14:37] <_Andrew> jack_spratt, no idea
[14:37] <joep> Dr_willis: I will certainly do it but, although I'm  retired I'm more busy then ever!.
[14:37] <alanbshepard70> I need help, I'm trying to install a game from the repos and somethings wrong. I had the game installed but the game needs two packages, game and game-data. The game-data package was updated when I was notified of updates through the update manager. The update manager uninstalled the game package though. When I try to reinstall the game package with synaptic it marks the game-data package for removal and vice versa. What's wrong?
[14:38] <bazhang> jack_spratt: what does lspci say for that card? just the single line (assuming it is a pci card) and is it internal or external
[14:38] <alphakamp> unop_: I see webmin as a easy interface to use once you have set everything up as you wish on only use to make minor changes thereafter
[14:38] <Jafet> whereis does not seem to handle search terms containing periods properly.
[14:38] <Jafet> Eg. $ whereis python2.4
[14:38] <jack_spratt> bazhang: its pcmcia
[14:38] <joep> unop: I won't go into that. I can do 70 to 80 % of my maintenance with it and the rest is of course commandline.
[14:38] <jack_spratt> bazhang: so lspcmcia then?
[14:38] <bazhang> lspci jack_spratt
[14:39] <joep> alphakamp: That's exactly what I mean.
[14:39] <pc-illiterate> im having problems with an installer. i need some help
[14:39] <Jafet> Is that behavior due to bash or a bug in whereis?
[14:39] <lilsyko> guys
[14:39] <unop_> alphakamp, not true, webmin doesnt really interface with apt very well and thats surely something any debian/ubuntu user works with very regularly, it's also limited with what it provides ..
[14:39] <lilsyko> wanna ask
[14:39] <ertun78> how can i learn one web site ip and host by terminal on ubuntu
[14:39] <lilsyko> i have an ubuntu 6.06LTS mail relay server
[14:39] <lilsyko> if i wanna upgrade it to 7.10
[14:40] <lilsyko> how do i go about doing it ?
[14:40] <hischild> unop_, alphakamp, can you take the discussion elsewhere? it's not support related.
[14:40] <bazhang> pc-illiterate: you need to provide many more details; if someone knows they will answer
[14:40] <unop_> alphakamp, joep anyway, enough of webmin talk. it's there for you to use but it's not supported here.
[14:40] <hischild> !hardy | lilsyko
[14:40] <ubotu> lilsyko: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:40] <jack_spratt> bazhang: i think this is the relevant entry: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Belkin Unknown device 701f (rev 20)
[14:40] <Jafet> lilsyko, the built-in update manager should magic it for you as long as you're connected to internet.
[14:41] <bazhang> jack_spratt: that would be the ethernet device; nothing about the wifi card? what does lsusb yield
[14:41] <arcticpenguin380> is firewire better than usb?
[14:41] <Jafet> lilsyko, being a mail server, I'd assume it is connected to the web.
[14:41] <joep> unop: and the others. We agree on our personalities.
[14:41] <Jafet> arcticpenguin380, in what context?
[14:41] <bazhang> lilsyko: you can go straight from lts to lts if you wait two weeks
[14:41] <arcticpenguin380> for video camcorders
[14:41] <jack_spratt> bazhang: belkin? thats not the ethernet, onl belkin device on there is the pcmcia i think
[14:42]  * JaccoH just took the plunge and typed apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:42] <jack_spratt> bazhang: ill look again for wifi references...
[14:42] <lilsyko> yeah Jafet
[14:42] <LSG> ertun78: Ping
[14:42] <lilsyko> its connected 24/7
[14:42] <joep> Boys, I have to go . I still have other problems with Ubuntu so I will come back on this channel soon. Thanks fotr the help.
[14:42] <Jafet> bazhang, don't you have to upgrade sequentially?
[14:42] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for hardy discussion thanks
[14:42] <stringssing> hello everyone...got a question...
[14:42] <hischild> Jafet, lts to lts can be done in a single step
[14:42] <bazhang> Jafet: not from dapper; there is a one step for that
[14:42] <Jafet> I see.
[14:43] <bazhang> arcticpenguin380: many would consider it so; you might ask in the hardware channel for a more precise answer though
[14:43] <Jafet> Bump:   $ whereis python2.4   strips everything off the period onwards to search for "python2". Is this a feature?
[14:43] <jack_spratt> bazhang: lsusb yields nothing that looks likely
[14:44] <ertun78> is it like  ping http://........ LSG
[14:44] <arcticpenguin380> thx
[14:44] <stringssing> Has anyone been able to successfully manage a Zune in Ubuntu.  I know, I know...Shouldn't have a Zune to begin with...I agree...It's my son's.
[14:44] <LSG> ertun78: Just like "ping www.google.com"
[14:44] <Eelis> is packages.ubuntu.com down?
[14:44] <bazhang> jack_spratt: how about on the card itself? are the details of the chipset on there? that is the key as unknown device wont yield much help here
[14:44] <jack_spratt> bazhang: looks like the belkin device is being misread as an ethernet adapter for some reason; why would this be?
[14:44] <pc-illiterate> im having problems running an installer and any help would be appreciated
[14:45] <jack_spratt> bazhang: its revision 7, i can find out the chipset based on that info
[14:45] <bazhang> pc-illiterate: as I mentioned before, you need to give many more details
[14:45] <Jafet> pc-illiterate, try asking a question.
[14:46] <Drill> êòî òî ìíå ïîìîæåò
[14:46] <jack_spratt> bazhang: but why are we having to do this, why doesnt it just work; any idea? the win driver works well in linux, ive installed that driver, ndiswrapper recognises the device as present, why all these problems?
[14:46] <bazhang> stringssing: what have you tried to do? what mp3 manager are you using in ubuntu? have you successfully mounted etc
[14:47] <bazhang> Drill: english please
[14:47] <Eelis> when is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ expected to be back up?
[14:47] <user1>  iam using tv card Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast De                              coder (rev 01) . i cant make it work. any help?
[14:47] <Drill> bazhang kto to mne pomojet
[14:47] <pc-illiterate> well alrighty then...mounted cd.......terminal root....exported setup_cdrom.......ran shblah-blah.run and it tells me "sh: Can't open blahblah.run
[14:48] <bazhang> Drill: russian?
[14:48] <Drill> bazhang yes
[14:48] <ertun78> tnx LSG ît works
[14:48] <bazhang> pc-illiterate: I would then say blah blah do this; really if you want clear answers then provide clear info thanks
[14:49] <bazhang> !ru | Drill
[14:49] <ubotu> Drill: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[14:49] <user1> yohoo.
[14:49] <x0x> wow
[14:49] <jack_spratt> bazhang: why would it be an unknown device? ndiswrapper recognises the card as being present, so whats the problem?
[14:49] <pc-illiterate> wow. you cant understand that ? i dont type. didnt know you needed specifics
[14:49] <x0x> rusians
[14:49] <ertun78> but what means "icmp_seq=20 which  streaming on the screen LSG
[14:50]  * user1 waits
[14:50] <Jafet> pc-illiterate: Real easy... just sudo in a blash terminal...... enter blah blah....... do blahblah... gedit halb/blah.... done. Any newb can do it.
[14:50] <bazhang> pc-illiterate: my telepathic powers are currently out of flux; let me try again..no sorry need actual info
[14:51] <pc-illiterate> im logged into terminal as root. i ran the installer and it says it cant find that installer
[14:51] <Jafet> Eelis, try a mirror...?
[14:51] <fedy> j/  #linuxac
[14:51]  * jack_spratt pokes bazhang
[14:51] <jack_spratt> (gently)
[14:51]  * pc-illiterate rolls eyes and shakes head
[14:52] <pc-illiterate> youre wrong
[14:52] <Jafet> pc-illiterate, as Paul Dirac would say, that was a statement.
[14:52] <pc-illiterate> im a noob and i cant do that
[14:52] <stringssing> actually, I'm still in the research mode.  I've read some stuff regarding Amarok...just wondering if anyone else has had success with this in any way.  Microsoft, of course, in their continued attempt to assimilate us all, doesn't even make a Mac version of their software, so you can image how we are left completely to our own devices to make this work on anything but Vista.
[14:52] <Wyvern|> could someone advice me on how to set up sendmail properly, so that mdadm can send me mail when a drive fails?
[14:52] <Ehlyah> okay, still not connecting to  my wireless. iwconfig now says I have an access point (improvement!) but I have invalid nwid, crypt and frag. any tips/fixes/links?
[14:52] <Exploit_> hi there
[14:52] <Exploit_> can someone help me with an unix command?
[14:52] <wowbaggertip> (@ pc-illiterate)  Exactly what is it that you're trying to do again?  From the start, small words.  I'm slow.  Or are you pulling our chains?
[14:53] <sipior> Exploit_: which one?
[14:53] <Dr_willis> Exploit_,  only if you ask an answerable question. :)
[14:53] <Exploit_> I want to change the password as root of a a user
[14:53] <pc-illiterate> no im not pulling chains... hang on. type really slow
[14:53] <Lamego> Wyvern|, sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[14:53] <Dr_willis> Exploit_,  sudo passwd username
[14:53] <bazhang> jack_spratt: it has been some time since I used ndiswrapper; I generally find it to be unreliable and a last resort, frankly; what I can remember is you need to modprobe to get it to say device present driver loaded or some such, then ifup the device and connect--this is what I have done in the past and it has generally worked
[14:53] <Exploit_> okay thank you
[14:53] <Exploit_> goodbye
[14:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:53] <jimcooncat> that was easy
[14:53] <LSG> ertun78: Means the ICMP is reserved, i guess
[14:53] <jack_spratt> bazhang: ok, thats useful thanks
[14:54] <ertun78> ok
[14:55] <jack_spratt> bazhang: i just got this wireless card, and it was supposed to work nativelhy ( it too hate using ndiswrapper). however there are currently 8 revisions of this card and the manufacturer lied about that version it was. unfortunatly its almost impossible it seems to tell what chips are in a wireless card and therefore whether it has anhy hope of working in linux
[14:55] <Jafet> Okay, for the third and last time, I do   $ whereis "python2.4"   in the shell and whereis looks for "python2", not "python2.4". Is this a feature?
[14:55] <jack_spratt> bazhang: i think one problem may be that it isnt modprobing correctly, when i do the modprobe ndiswrapper command it just hangs indefinitely
[14:55] <jack_spratt> bazhang: not a good sign eh
[14:55] <hischild> Jafet, probably because . is a special character. Have you tried escaping it?
[14:56] <Dr_willis> pc-illiterate,  when you EXPORT a variable like whatever=foo, then do 'sudo' i am not sure if the exported variable gets set for the sudo'ed commands or not.
[14:56] <pc-illiterate> i mounted my cdrom....i entered root terminal to export setup-cdrom=/media/cdrom then i typed sh tacticalops-3.1.5-install-x86.run   ........ i get this for an answer    " sh: cant open tacticalops-3.1.5-install-x86.run
[14:56] <jack_spratt> bazhang: ill lsmod to see if it is inserted correctly
[14:56] <bazhang> jack_spratt: that is a common thread with some of the wireless card makers; listing it as one chipset when in fact it is another; that is why knowing the exact chipset is so key
[14:56] <Ehlyah> bazhang: what if you try to ifup and you get "can't read interfaces file "etc/network/interfaces"?
[14:56] <sivel27> any one figure out how to make usb headphones work with a laptop?
[14:56] <hischild> Dr_willis, iirc the var stays set, unless you env-update it
[14:56] <ertun78> and last question why cant connect my website via telnet .i open it and write my site adress and just say me "tryîng to connect "and later disconnected  telnet
[14:56] <LSG> ertun78: Sorry, i didn't read your question properly. It's just the way ping pokes the target.
[14:56] <Dr_willis> hischild,  i always seem to see my PATH and other stuff gettting messed up when i sudo,  just thinking that may be his issue.
[14:57] <hischild> Dr_willis, it might, though i remember reading somewhere it wouldn't. Might be mistaken.
[14:57] <Dr_willis> hischild,  may be hes not exporting the variable also.. just settin git.
[14:57] <ertun78> :)
[14:57] <bazhang> Ehlyah: what is the wireless card chipset?
[14:57] <Jafet> hischild, right, my mistake, apparently whereis thinks it's an extension and strips it and there is no way to disable that.
[14:58] <user1> Dr_willis:  can you give me the link to download the sone 'miss india...' in http://mag4you.com/music/d/dhamaal.asp   . i cant click it
[14:58] <hischild> Jafet, whereis python
[14:58] <hischild> Jafet, whereis python\.4 works fine over here
[14:58] <bazhang> user1: this is not that kind of channel thanks
[14:58] <user1> bazhang:       can you help me witht the tv card then?
[14:58] <Heaven4U> Hello I need some help. I am a new Linux user and I have just installed Ubuntu. What is my root password?
[14:58] <wowbaggertip> (@ pc-illiterate) Well, you wrote what I asked, but even after 1.5y of Ubuntu, that's got me flummoxed.  Installing something from a CD?  Why not from a .deb or ???
[14:58] <stringssing> I can tell you now from experience, if you have a Broadcom chipset, you will have to use NDISwrapper with the Windows driver, as Broadcom does not have a native Linux driver
[14:59] <hischild> !sudo | Heaven4U
[14:59] <ubotu> Heaven4U: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[14:59] <bazhang> Heaven4U: there is none; just use sudo
[14:59] <jack_spratt> bazhang: but i know what chipset it is effectively, and i definitely have the correct .inf file installed, and ndiswrapper even recogninsed the presence of the device. BTW lsmod lists ndiswrapper as being loaded
[14:59] <pc-illiterate> cause its ported game ?
[14:59] <stringssing> However, Atheros does
[14:59] <Jafet> hischild, not here...
[14:59] <wowbaggertip> pc-illiterate:  OK.  I'm out.  Not a gamer.  Sorry.
[14:59] <Ehlyah> bazhang: 00:1e.0 is that possible?
[14:59] <fedy> hotkeys to change language from keyboard
[15:00] <bazhang> Ehlyah: that sounds right; is there a name with that as well?
[15:00] <prodigel> Hi. I want to monitor my internet connection download speed by downloading some data for a period of time, not a fixed size package. Anyone knows such tools? Not very related to ubuntu I realise now. Anyway I'm using ubuntu :D
[15:00] <Ehlyah> bazhang: PCI bridge: intel corporation 82801 PCI bridge
[15:00] <Oprtz> guys / girls : i am using vesa driver for my Intel vga card, how to use Intel instead of vesa?
[15:00] <fedy> like alt shift in windows
[15:01] <hischild> prodigel, system monitor .... system -> adminstration -> system monitor. Look under the tab resources.
[15:01] <user1> my system grub shows no moniter display for a part of boot period. just 'sync out of rang' how to do with that?
[15:01] <hischild> it even shows you the current total speed =)
[15:01] <bazhang> Ehlyah: could you pastebin the output of lspci please?
[15:01] <Ehlyah> bazhang: at the risk of sounding stupid. pastebin?
[15:02] <prodigel> hischild: sure that's good enough for watching, but I want to test it overnight
[15:02] <bazhang> !pastebin | Ehlyah
[15:02] <ubotu> Ehlyah: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:02] <hischild> prodigel, it keeps the totals over night.
[15:02] <jack_spratt> gah! this mad! there's nothing wrong with my card or my driver or with ndiswrapper as far as i can see so what on earth is wrong with ubuntu such that it cant do any wireless networking?!
[15:02] <Ehlyah> thanks
[15:03] <user1> my system grub shows no moniter display for a part of boot period. just 'sync out of rang' how to do with that?
[15:03] <fd12> i'm getting an internal ip and have connectivity to the internet but i don't have an external ip. why?
[15:03] <sudobash> thank you operators...
[15:03] <prodigel> jack_spratt: what's your problem more exactly?
[15:04] <bazhang> prodigel: he cant get ndiswrapper to work
[15:04] <unop_> fd12, your router translates private address to public ones
[15:04] <fd12> unop_, ok how can i have an external ip?
[15:04] <unop_> fd12, navigate to www.whatismyip.com and you'll see your public address
[15:04] <Pici> !traffic
[15:04] <ubotu> NOTICE - There is a lot of traffic in this channel at the moment. Please try to keep your sentences into a single message, avoid repeating the same question multiple times, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting, remember to mention the nickname of the person you're addressing, and join #ubuntu-offtopic for anything that is not Ubuntu support. Thank you for understanding!
[15:04] <fd12> unop_, that's the router's address
[15:05] <unop_> fd12, right
[15:05] <jack_spratt> prodigel: pcmcia wireless card: worksl; corresponding windows driver: installed and works; ndiswrapper + gui: installed and (apparantly) works; ubuntu: doiesn not detect any wireless card, wont connect be, wont do anything
[15:05] <unop_> fd12, what do you mean by 'external address' then if it isnt the router's address?
[15:05] <hischild> LjL, is on the unban track
[15:05] <thesaint4444> hi guys, can anyone tell me how to setup filetype associations on my desktop.. for some reason I can no longer open pdf documents - if I click one kate trys to open them.... thanks.
[15:05] <prodigel> jack_spratt: have you tried iwlist?
[15:05] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: no
[15:05] <prodigel> iwlist interface scan
[15:06] <thesaint4444> sorry - using kde...
[15:06] <pc-illiterate> so i assume i need to go elsewhere for help ?
[15:06] <prodigel> jack_spratt: from console.
[15:06] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: "interface doesnt sjupport scanning"
[15:06] <sudobash> does anyone know how to get IEC958 support for flash in firefox? maybe Ubuntu 8.XX fixes this?
[15:06] <_Andrew> thesaint4444, Right click the pdf -> open with -> add -> "Document Viewer"
[15:06] <prodigel> jack_spratt: then it seems you have a driver problem
[15:06] <Ehlyah> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62824/
[15:06] <unop__> thesaint4444, not sure about kde .. but there there should be a way to reset associations .. right click a pdf, check the properties
[15:06] <lewench> Having an issue with my newly installed ubuntu on my Inspiron E1705. I get an IP address from my network card. I can ping and accually connected to my PC at home through VNC. But when browsing the net it takes about a minute to load any page. I also cannot get updates on my add/remove packages. Anyone know what might be wrong??
[15:06] <fiXXXerMet> I want to mount a windows share to my local machine.  The share has a space in it, and the password has a & symbol...  What's the right syntax for the command?  mount -t smbfs -o "username=user,password=password&" //server/Shared Data /media/tvifs01 ?
[15:06] <bazhang> Ehlyah: thanks looking now
[15:07] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: FYI lspci says the card (which is bellkin) is not recognised and calls it an ethernet controller
[15:07] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: but ndiswrapper -l says driver is installled and device is present !!
[15:07] <drhawk> hi
[15:07] <thesaint4444> unop__: yeah did that but doesn't seem to make any difference....
[15:07] <Juanqui> Quick question guys
[15:07] <prodigel> jack_spratt: what chipset do you have?
[15:07] <drhawk> how can i get my system to use utc instead of the local-time?
[15:08] <Juanqui> Is it possible to reinstall an installation of ubuntu (7.10) and leave the home folder files untouched?
[15:08] <unop__> thesaint4444, there aren't many KDE users in here, you probably will have better luck if you asked the guys in #kubuntu
[15:08] <drhawk> i already set utc=yes in /etc/default/rcS
[15:08] <bazhang> Ehlyah: could you pastebin all of lspci and not that one bit please? you can install pastebinit then cat lspci | pastebinit and it will give you a url to post here thanks
[15:08] <prodigel> drhawk: right click clock applet, preferences, use utc
[15:08] <sudobash> Juanqui... I think so yes....
[15:08] <Juanqui> Would it work if during the installation I choose to do custom partitioning and then deselect "FORMAT" ?
[15:08] <unop__> drhawk, what does this command give you?  TZ=UTC date
[15:08] <Juanqui> Because the thing is that I dont want it to leave shared librarie sbehind
[15:08] <Juanqui> or binaries behind
[15:08] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: its a belkin f5d7010 v7
[15:09] <Juanqui> I want a fully clean system
[15:09] <lewench> Having an issue with my newly installed ubuntu on my Inspiron E1705. I get an IP address from my network card. I can ping and accually connected to my PC at home through VNC. But when browsing the net it takes about a minute to load any page. I also cannot get updates on my add/remove packages. Anyone know what might be wrong??
[15:09] <thesaint4444> unop__: ok, thanks...
[15:09] <sudobash> Jueanqui correct do not format... i think at the beginning it looks for files to carry over
[15:09] <bazhang> lewench: this is gutsy?
[15:09] <drhawk> my hwclock is already set to locale time. i want the whole system to use this time
[15:09] <Juanqui> yes
[15:09] <lewench> bazhang, Yes.
[15:09] <drhawk> not just the clock-applet
[15:09] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: i think Realtek 8185 chipset
[15:09] <fiXXXerMet> Anyone?  What's the syntax for mounting a windows share that has a space in it?
[15:09] <user1> my system grub shows no moniter display for a part of boot period. just 'sync out of rang' how to do with that?
[15:09] <hischild> Juanqui, yes that's possible. Do not format your /home then, and select it as your new /home. That will let you keep your current files and settings. Then create the new user with the old user data and you're done.
[15:09] <unop__> drhawk, the hwclock should use UTC and you should configure your timezone .. not the otherway around
[15:09] <bazhang> lewench: you all the repos enabled?
[15:10] <prodigel> jack_spratt: did you do some googling about your chipset? I'm limited in expertize, especially with modules and stuff
[15:10] <drhawk> then i have to change the windows-behavior, right?
[15:10] <lewench> bazhang, huh? I can't get updates it won't go through. take a minute to load a page. But everything else network wise is ok
[15:10] <salko> Desktop effects could not be enabled any help
[15:11] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: it works perfectly with the same drivers on other distros, just install the .inf etc. viaa gui normall and away you go
[15:11] <bazhang> lewench: you are connected on that box now? could you pastebin your sources.list please?
[15:11] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: i bought it for its linux compatibility
[15:11] <wers> I cant play any music because of a gstramer error. apparently, state change failed. how do I fix that?
[15:11] <unop__> drhawk, windows does crazy things with time and setting the hwclock . there's a way you can get both to cooperate on this
[15:11] <lewench>  bazhang, How do I go about doing that?
[15:12] <bazhang> salko: you need the 3d drivers for your card via the restricted drivers manager and install ccsm; more info /msg ubotu ccsm
[15:12] <salko> indugun u helped me several times
[15:12] <salko> Desktop effects could not be enabled any help
[15:12] <IndyGunFreak> salko: whats your video device?
[15:12] <hischild> unop__, not using utc will make the time correct for both OS's iirc
[15:12] <ikonia> salko: need more info than that
[15:12] <bazhang> lewench: install pastebinit sudo apt-get install pastebinit then cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[15:12] <salko> dont know
[15:12] <benpicco_> salko: do you have direct rendering enabled? which gpu are you using?
[15:13] <IndyGunFreak> salko: well, thats a start.. run lspci in a terminal and see what your video device is
[15:13] <sudobash> anyone know of a IEC958 fix so Firefox flash media can play through SPDIF?
[15:13] <unop__> drhawk, http://weblogs.asp.net/dfindley/archive/2006/06/20/Set-hardware-clock-to-UTC-on-Windows-_2800_or-how-to-make-the-clock-work-on-a-Mac-Book-Pro_2900_.aspx
[15:13] <benpicco_> salko: lspci | grep VGA
[15:13] <salko> ok
[15:13] <benpicco_> salko: so you don't have installed any driver yet, did you?
[15:14] <IndyGunFreak> benpicco: he probably has either ATI, or Intel graphics, as Nvidia works out fo the box.
[15:14] <bazhang> probably ati
[15:14] <hischild> IndyGunFreak, you also need the restricted ones for the newer nvidia ones
[15:14] <user1> iam using tv card Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast De                              coder (rev 01) . i cant make it work. any help?
[15:14] <drhawk> ok thx. i will try this
[15:14] <IndyGunFreak> hischild: well, tru..
[15:14] <salko> nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64
[15:14] <kkaefer> hi
[15:15] <benpicco_> salko: wow, what's acient!
[15:15] <IndyGunFreak> salko: go to system/admin/restricted driver.
[15:15] <unop__> drhawk, or you could make ubuntu do the work (which might be better as some windows apps are problematic if you change windows to UTC) - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[15:15] <IndyGunFreak> benpicco: lol, i know.
[15:15] <kkaefer> is it possible to allow certain commands that usually require root permissions to be executed by regular users without entering a password?
[15:15] <salko> yes it is
[15:15] <salko> hahah
[15:15] <kkaefer> sorry
[15:15] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport check here user1
[15:15] <kkaefer> let me rephrase
[15:15] <wers> I hear no sound because of a gstreamer error
[15:15] <wers> how do  I restart gstreamer?
[15:15] <user1> bazhang:  that dont have phillips in it
[15:15] <user1> i gues
[15:15] <kkaefer> how can I allow certain commands that usually require root permissions to be executed by regular users without entering a password?
[15:15] <benpicco_> salko: you serioulsy want to use compiz on it? I requieres at least a geforce 2
[15:15] <Ehlyah> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62825/ the whole thing
[15:16] <bazhang> thanks Ehlyah
[15:16] <lewench>  bazhang, coudn't find package pasteinit
[15:16] <Ehlyah> no, thank you
[15:16] <drhawk> hm. this does only work when i have access to a time server
[15:16] <salko> u thinl i cant do it
[15:16] <Ehlyah> no, thank you
[15:16] <lewench>  bazhang, pastebinit**
[15:16] <hischild> lewench, package is called pastebinit, not pasteinit
[15:16] <unop__> kkaefer, you can edit the /etc/sudoers file -- see the sudoers manpage for more
[15:16] <lewench>  bazhang, correct I typed it wrong, but typed it correctly in the terminal
[15:16] <salko> the driver is in use
[15:16] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper hangs also, why is this? whats so hard about removing it from the kernel?
[15:17] <sudobash> does anyone know how to configure firefox audio device?
[15:17] <IndyGunFreak> salko: thats an awful old card to try and use desktop effects, you should probably be grateful they aren't working
[15:17] <unop__> drhawk, see the "Multiple Boot Systems Time Conflicts" section at the bottom on changing the /etc/defaults/rcS file
[15:17] <sudobash> like which device flash uses
[15:17] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: does this mean that  ndiswrapper is corrupted or something; the fact that it cannot be added or removed from the kerenl
[15:17] <bazhang> Ehlyah: this is an internal card or a usb one? if usb then try lsusb and report the one line for that please
[15:17] <lewench>  bazhang, Its odd, it doesn't want to download anything, but everything works fine. Im talking to you from my PC at home vnc'd though this laptop.
[15:18] <Ehlyah> bazhang: not a usb card
[15:18] <salko> i cant fix it
[15:18] <salko> or
[15:18] <bazhang> Ehlyah: what does ifconfig show? two entries or three eth0 lo only or a third as well
[15:19] <bazhang> lewench: how about cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see if there are a bunch of hashmarks in front of the various repos
[15:19] <Ehlyah> bazhang: eth0, lo and wlan0
[15:19] <Mozze> Any tips for making something fun out of youre desktop?
[15:19] <drhawk> can't find that section. sorry. i'm using kubuntu
[15:19] <reduser11> anyone here familiar with dibbler-server?
[15:19] <benpicco_> Mozze: xsnow is nice, but it's the wron season
[15:19] <salko> any help
[15:19] <reduser11> ipv6 dhcp server
[15:19] <bazhang> Ehlyah: okay that is good; do you have a wifi hotspot nearby? preferably open
[15:20] <prodigel> jack_spratt: was it recognized by the ssystem somehow?
[15:20] <lewench> Having an issue with my newly installed ubuntu on my Inspiron E1705. I get an IP address from my network card. I can ping and accually connected to my PC at home through VNC. But when browsing the net it takes about a minute to load any page. I also cannot get updates on my add/remove packages. Anyone know what might be wrong??
[15:20] <benpicco_> salko: compiz requires a GeForce 2 to work
[15:20] <Ehlyah> all I've got is our wireless, WEP encrypted
[15:20] <Mozze> benpico, crap ;)
[15:20] <lewench> err sorry meant to copy and paste.
[15:20] <bazhang> haha
[15:20] <prodigel> jack_spratt: before installing the driver with ndiswrapper
[15:20] <salko> ooooooo
[15:20] <salko> and now
[15:20] <benpicco_> Mozze: it craetessoo nice xmas feeling ;)
[15:20] <sipior> lewench: you using a local dns server?
[15:21] <lewench> bazhang, Yes there are # line commented out by installer because it failed to verify
[15:21] <Ehlyah> bazhang: just our WEP encrypted wireless
[15:21] <lewench> sipior, Yes
[15:21] <salko> can i give a try
[15:21] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: you mean was the card recognised at all before the diswrapper install? if thats what you mean, i dont know
[15:21] <bazhang> Ehlyah: you know the cli pretty well? I can give the definitive link on how to connect via cli with that guide; first try sudo dhclient wlan0 and report any errors please
[15:21] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: i didnt check, i didnt see a need to (it was plugged in during the whole install
[15:21] <Ehlyah> bazhang: cli?
[15:22] <benpicco_> salko: It's about hardware functions - you can emulate it by the cpu using xgl, but emulating gpu funktions is not that a good idea in respects of performance...
[15:22] <sipior> lewench: probably a name resolution problem. try using "dig" with various FQDNs and see if it takes a while to get an answer back
[15:22] <bazhang> lewench: most of them? just the backports? how many roughly
[15:22] <benpicco_> salko: which cpu are you using?
[15:22] <bazhang> Ehlyah: command line (terminal)
[15:22] <lewench> bazhang, All of them accually
[15:22] <Ehlyah> bazhang: beginner, I'm afraid
[15:22] <benpicco_> salko: (cat /proc/cpuinfo)
[15:23] <prodigel> jack_spratt: you have to blacklist some modules in kernel before applying ndiswrapper drivers
[15:23] <prodigel> jack_spratt: this way the module won't load a badly detected driver for it thus conficting with yours
[15:23] <bazhang> lewench: then you need to uncomment (remove the hashmarks) from the key ones; /msg ubotu gutsysources for which ones to uncomment
[15:23] <prodigel> jack_spratt: may be the cause of you badly named interface
[15:23] <salko> and now
[15:23] <tenpaiyomi> Ok, so, I created a new user and am attempting to ssh in.  I've set the password, however attempts to log in give me a 'error: PAM: Authentication failure for illegal user voiddesign' in the auth.log
[15:24] <tenpaiyomi> Anybody have an idea?
[15:24] <bazhang> Ehlyah: what did the sudo dhclient wlan0 report (from the terminal)
[15:24] <amenado> tenpaiyomi-> what is the new user name you have added?
[15:24] <tenpaiyomi> amenado: voiddesign
[15:24] <Ehlyah> bazhang: pastebinning it
[15:25] <reduser11> hey all - is anyone familiar with the following error and how to deal with it -  Unable to set up socket option IPV6_PKTINFO - I am trying to run the dibbler-server (dhcp for IPv6)
[15:25] <sipior> tenpaiyomi: how did you add the user?
[15:25] <salko> AMD Athlon(tm) XP  2600+
[15:25] <jack_spratt> prodgiel: why do you think that? i dont know of a conflicting driver, and on other distros i didnt have to blackliist; also on gides for this card andubunttu there is no menttion of blackllisting...
[15:25] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: useradd -s /bin/shell -d /home/voiddesign -m voiddesign
[15:25] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: then I did a passwd voiddesign and set it's password
[15:26] <sipior> tenpaiyomi: /bin/shell? that doesn't sound right...
[15:26] <Hoxzer> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-594623.html I think that festival should have a depency of minimal english voice. Just confuses users
[15:26] <amenado> tenpaiyomi-> did you have this new user logon to say console 3? ctrl+alt+F3
[15:26] <prodigel> jack_spratt: In my experience with wireless ndiswrapper and ubuntu I had to blacklist some modules
[15:26] <lewench> bazhang, http://forgott3n.serveftp.net/http%20uploads/sources_list.txt
[15:26] <Ehlyah> bazhang: report of the sudo dhclient wlan0 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62827/
[15:26] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: /bin/bash then?
[15:26] <bazhang> Ehlyah: any way to open that wep to no encryption while we test this out? that would be a good test right now
[15:26] <sipior> tenpaiyomi: yep
[15:26] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: This is all remote.  This is a VPS
[15:26] <prodigel> jack_spratt: mine has a rt61 chipset
[15:26] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: Lemme try that
[15:26] <salko> what to do now
[15:26] <benpicco_> salko: and you have a Riva TNT inside? well, you might try it, there should be an article about the xgl-server
[15:27] <benpicco_> !xgl
[15:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[15:27] <jack_spratt> prodgiel:, what would i blacklist?
[15:27] <Ehlyah> bazhang: I probably could, but not sure how (it's a setup that also carries our digital tv) and I'd get in trouble for it
[15:27] <salko> ive inserted today a card cuz the one onboard desnt detect linux
[15:28] <tenpaiyomi> sipior: That was it.  It's been awhile since I've done anything heavily linux, cause I've gotten lazy with OS X :(
[15:28] <amenado> tenpaiyomi-> even it it is remote, login with the userid you used to su to root, then su - voiddesign
[15:28] <bazhang> Ehlyah: have you used nm-applet (the gui in the toolbar/panel) to connect before? you can set the wep pass there and try to connect via the gui also; your system sees your card, we just need to get you connected and you will be good to go
[15:28] <tenpaiyomi> amenado: It was the me having stupidly set it to /bin/shell instead of /bin/bash
[15:29] <drhawk> unop__, i don't unterstand why (k)ubuntu assumes the hw-clock is set to utc when is set the utc-option in rcS to no. in man rcS it says when utc is set to no the hw-clock is the localtime
[15:29] <amenado> tenpaiyomi-> okay, go ahead and correct it
[15:29] <bazhang> lewench: you have no sources; that would be the reason that add/remove is greyed out; open up the sources list with an editor and remove the hashes and then sudo apt-get update and try again
[15:29] <salko> qnd is nforce ok
[15:29] <sipior> amenado: try to keep up...
[15:29] <IndyGunFreak> salko: why do you have a video card taht ancient, in a PC that new?
[15:30] <lewench> bazhang, ok thanks.
[15:30] <salko> cuz i couldnt install ubuntu
[15:30] <stephantom> hey there, does anyone have a clue why Canonical itself does not use Open Source software for their business files?
[15:30] <bazhang> lewench: nano is a good one; unless you have another you like sudo nano etc etc
[15:30] <unop__> drhawk, what is your actual timezone?
[15:30] <amenado> sipior-> i try to read only stuff highlighted, if he responded to you without my nick, i can easily miss it
[15:30] <stephantom> I don't mind personally, I just think it's kind of strange
[15:30] <salko> the card couldnt be seen while installing
[15:30] <Ehlyah> bazhang: network monitor?  I've poked at it, but it wouldn't detect my network. I just removed and readded it, though and it seems to detect it now
[15:30] <drhawk> in ubuntu berlin
[15:30] <drhawk> and in windows to
[15:30] <bazhang> stephantom: offtopic here thanks
[15:30] <drhawk> too
[15:30] <IndyGunFreak> i don't follow
[15:30] <rance> can someone point me to a "hyperterm - like" gui tool in linux that you can select the serial port and the data rate for multiple connections?
[15:30] <stephantom> sorry bazhang
[15:31] <drhawk> berlin is currently utc +2h
[15:31] <prashanth> hi
[15:31] <Ehlyah> bazhang: nm claims there's an error and when I click Configure, I get "interface does not exist"
[15:31] <benpicco_> salko: have you installed the driver at all? what tells you glxinfo | grep direct?
[15:32] <drhawk> and in ubtuntu it takes the hwclock (whick is set to the correct local time) and adds the time-offset of 2hours
[15:32] <sipior> rance: i think minicom will do what you want
[15:32] <bazhang> Ehlyah: ah then to the cli it is we must go ;]
[15:32] <drhawk> no matter if i set utc to yes or no
[15:32] <Ehlyah> bazhang: allrighty
[15:32] <lewench> bazhang, is there a reason why this happend on install? Maybe I didn't have internet connection?
[15:32] <jack_spratt> sheesh, this is nuts. im going to have to abnandonn ubuntu for a while until i have a day or two free ton sort out this networking, which should take about three minutes. thanks for help bazhang and prodigel
[15:32] <wigren> what setting do i use to make the active title bar opaque with compiz-fusion
[15:32] <salko> that command says direct rendering: Yes
[15:34] <benpicco_> salko: so everything seems to work
[15:34] <benpicco_> salko: but if you want compiz on that hardware, you'll ahve to use xgl
[15:34] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 Ehlyah look at the very beginning of this link (under WEP) and where it says (interface) you put wlan0; report any errors as you go through the commands thanks
[15:34] <salko> but if i put the monitor cable an message appears input not detcted
[15:34] <bazhang> lewench: aye that would be the reason
[15:34] <lewench> bazhang, Getting them thanks a bunch!!
[15:35] <sipior> rance: actually, i missed your mentioning that you want a gui tool. in that case, cutecom is a better bet. (minicom is pretty nice though)
[15:35] <salko> how can i use xgl what to do
[15:35] <benpicco_> !xgl | salko
[15:35] <ubotu> salko: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[15:35] <bazhang> jack_spratt dont give up so easy; it took me two weeks to get ndiswrapper going in Suse 10.0; and this was without irc
[15:36] <wigren> what setting do i use to make the active title bar opaque with compiz-fusion
[15:36] <crdlb> wigren: are you using emerald?
[15:36] <wigren> no
[15:36] <crdlb> wigren: then gconf-editor /apps/gwd
[15:37] <salko> what should i type to enable xgl
[15:38] <geirha> salko: sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl
[15:38] <Ehlyah> bazhang: sudo dhclient -r wlan0 gives me: there is already a pid file, killed old client processm removed PID file
[15:38] <salko> thx
[15:39] <mark__> i have just installed ubuntu 8.04 worked fine at first but now that i have done all the updates it wont boot. Whre do I start to fix this?
[15:39] <geirha> !hardy | mark__
[15:39] <ubotu> mark__: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:39] <jchase> mark_: what kind of video card ?
[15:39] <mark__> nvidia
[15:39] <salko> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:39] <salko> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:39] <wigren> crdlb: thank you!
[15:39] <salko> ive recived this
[15:39] <Lamego> !aptlock
[15:39] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:39] <jchase> mark_: after isntall, did you enable restricted driver oro anything?
[15:40] <Darkside> hi, i have a .img file that i dd'd from an old hdd, how would i go about analysing it, seeing what partitions are there?
[15:40] <mark__> i did that before updating
[15:40] <geirha> salko: do you have any package programs open? like update-manager or synaptic?
[15:40] <salko> yes
[15:40] <MrBill> When I plug in my 8gb USB memory stick (NTFS) it autorecognizes and mounts itself, but I'm seeming to not get the same behaviour off of an NTFS formatted USB hard drive, is this normal?
[15:40] <Lamego> Darkside, you should be able to loopback mount it
[15:40] <geirha> salko: close it first, only one such program can function at a time, they lock each other out
[15:40] <sriramoman> how do i install kernel-sources in ubuntu?
[15:40] <salko> thx
[15:40] <Lamego> i mean, if it was from a partition, not a disk
[15:40] <MrBill> i'm using 7.10 Gutsy if that matters
[15:40] <Darkside> Lamego, but will i be able to check partitions, etc?
[15:41] <Darkside> ah
[15:41] <jchase> mark_: so when you boot, does it allow you to pass a parameter, or does it come to a cli prompt?
[15:41] <Darkside> yeah, its an image of a while disk
[15:41] <Darkside> whole*
[15:41] <mark__> i just got the message Loding Hardware Drivers       FAIL
[15:41] <Lamego> Darkside, well, that is more tricky
[15:42] <unop_> drhawk, what do these two commands return?  TZ="Europe/Berlin" date; TZ="UTC" date
[15:42] <Lamego> you would need to get the partition table, and dump the partitions into image files so that you could loopback mount them
[15:42] <salko> what now
[15:42] <Darkside> Lamego: how would i go about doing that?
[15:42] <benpicco_> salko: you'll need to logout and select the session xgl
[15:42] <mark__> how do i pass aparamiter?
[15:43] <ragsagar> so many members :o
[15:43] <salko> how should i select xgl
[15:43] <geirha> salko: log out to the login-screen. At the login-screen hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (this will restart it)
[15:43] <IndyGunFreak> salko:  you hit sessions and select xgl
[15:43] <salko> ill try
[15:43] <salko> thx
[15:43] <geirha> salko: if the xserver-xgl package is installed, it will be used instead of xorg
[15:44] <sriramoman> how do i install kernel-sources in ubuntu?
[15:44] <bazhang> Ehlyah: that is okay; just keep going with the commands
[15:44] <IndyGunFreak> geirha: is that right?.. i thougth you had to choose xgl
[15:44] <Lamego> Darkside, I am not aware of specific tools for that, you can manually look into the part table description and then just read from the part offset, it is a non trivial procedure, you will need to read a lot :P
[15:44] <bazhang> sriramoman: either via the terminal or synaptic package manager
[15:45] <geirha> IndyGunFreak: iirc that's how it works in gutsy, though older releases were different ... I did forget to ask which release he was running though
[15:45] <IndyGunFreak> ya
[15:45] <mark__> jchase how do i pass a paramiter?
[15:45] <Ehlyah> bazhang: I just finished. pastebin the results?
[15:46] <bazhang> Ehlyah: any other errors?
[15:46] <sipior> sriramoman: sudo apt-get install linux-source
[15:46] <salko> qn error ;essqge qppeqred
[15:46] <sriramoman> thanx
[15:46] <jchase> mark_: when it boots up, can you get to recovery in grub?
[15:46] <salko> an error messqge appered
[15:46] <jchase> mark_: this is hardy you said?
[15:46] <Ehlyah> bazhang: another "there is already a pid file" but that's it
[15:46] <mark__> yes its hardy
[15:47] <geirha> salko: at what point, and what did it say?
[15:47] <salko> and my keybord chqnged
[15:47] <bazhang> !hardy
[15:47] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:47] <bazhang> mark__: see above
[15:47] <delfick> hello. when I make a pdf file in ubuntu, It can't be opened in windows XP (works fine in ubuntu), does anyone know what could cause this?
[15:47] <mark__> ah ok tnx
[15:47] <salko> ill chek again
[15:48] <bazhang> Ehlyah: you put your wifi hotspot name as essid in quotes like this: "hotspot1" ?
[15:48] <sipior> delfick: does it fail with an error?
[15:48] <Ehlyah> bazhang: yes
[15:49] <sipior> delfick: also, how are you constructing the pdf file in ubuntu?
[15:49] <bazhang> and the ascii wep pass was like this s: asciipasshere Ehlyah?
[15:49] <Ehlyah> bazhang: yes
[15:49] <delfick> sipior: "Adobe Reader could not open "test.pdf" because it is either not supported file type or because the file has been damaged (for example, it was sent as an email attachment and wasn't correctly decoded)."
[15:49] <bazhang> Ehlyah: so any dhcpoffers?
[15:49] <Ehlyah> bazhang: well, no space between the two. does that matter?
[15:50] <Ehlyah> bazhang: no offers
[15:50] <sipior> delfick: how did you move the pdf file to the windows machine?
[15:51] <delfick> sipior: over the local network
[15:51] <salko> the greeter aplication appears to be crashing. attempt to use a different one
[15:51] <delfick> from my computer to my laptop
[15:51] <salko> the greeter aplication appears to be crashing. attempt to use a different one THAT IS WRITTEN
[15:51] <sipior> delfick: how *precisely* did you transfer the file? via scp?
[15:52] <delfick> sftp
[15:52]  * delfick tries with usb drive
[15:52] <salko> q black box is appearing on desktop
[15:53]  * delfick gets same annoying error
[15:53] <bazhang> Ehlyah: did you use the sudo iwconfig wlan0 open command?
[15:54] <delfick> unless it's saving the file as postscript
[15:54] <bazhang> err key open Ehlyah
[15:54] <geirha> salko: can you open a terminal and run «ps -ef | grep -i xgl» ?
[15:54] <Ehlyah> bazhang: I didn't
[15:54] <MrBill> Should  "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/disk" mount an external NTFS USB drive with read/write access?
[15:54] <delfick> how do I convert postscript to pdf? incase that be the problem?
[15:54] <WhozBob> I have a question.. when trying to copy stuff over to my psp (1.4gig of free mem left) with Ubuntu it keeps saying that i only have 89.9 mgs left wheni really have 1,4gig.. so i can't copy anything over cause it thinks i have less space when i reall y have more then enough.. Help!!
[15:54] <bazhang> Ehlyah: how about going through that again and trying it with that then
[15:55]  * delfick found ps2pdf
[15:55] <sipior> delfick: how do you construct the pdf file to begin with?
[15:55] <delfick> and it worked :)
[15:56] <delfick> thnx for help anyways
[15:56] <delfick> damit, stupid pidgin doesn't scroll with the text
[15:56] <JCDG> hello
[15:56] <salko> salko     6347  6296  0 16:50 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/share/xserver-xgl/Xgl-lockfile-wrapper :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[15:56] <salko> salko     6351  6347  4 16:50 ?        00:00:14 Xgl :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[15:56] <salko> salko     6702  6669  0 16:55 pts/0    00:00:00 grep -i xgl
[15:56] <JCDG> friends, i have some troubles using java
[15:56] <JCDG> use apstebin
[15:56] <delfick> sipior: with :hardcopy > /home/iambob/Desktop/test.pdf in gvim
[15:56] <JCDG> pastebin
[15:57] <fiesba> Oh, wow, gparted is giving a guess of 14 hours to move a 300GB partition over. ;\
[15:57] <ragsagar> bang
[15:57] <ragsagar> :D
[15:57] <IndyGunFreak> fiesba: 14hrs?
[15:57] <IndyGunFreak> that can't be right
[15:57] <sipior> delfick: yeah, that won't be a pdf :-)
[15:57] <benpicco_> fiesba: I had to experience that, too
[15:57] <ragsagar> sipior?
[15:57] <sipior> ragsagar: yes?
[15:57] <fiesba> benpicco: So it isn't a wrong figure, will actually take half a day?
[15:58] <IndyGunFreak> fiesba: thats crazy, it might be easier to back up, format and set the drive up how you want it, then reinstall.
[15:58] <salko> and noz
[15:58] <benpicco_> fiesba: unfortualy the time might be right
[15:58] <ragsagar> why there is no preoder for shipping ubuntu cds this time
[15:58] <Ehlyah> bazhang: did it with key open. still no dhcpoffers
[15:58] <IndyGunFreak> i've never waited more than 15-20min to resize a 250gig drive.
[15:58] <salko> and now
[15:58] <benpicco_> I moved 250GB, lasted 12h
[15:58] <fiesba> Oh lord, kind of needed everything to be finished so I could take a test from home. Should have just moved everything off of the disk and blanked the bloody thing.