[09:21] <__> neighborlee: also, remove the Load "GLcore" line
[09:21] <revildab> Lemonzest: ubuntuguide.org has an installation guide for skype
[09:21] <__> neighborlee: also, remove the Load "GLcore" line
[09:21] <__> wwops
[09:21] <__> double post
[09:21] <Hell-Razor> um guys when it trys to install stuff from the cd i get a buffer i/o error from /cdrom/ section (XXXXX)
[09:21] <Crazy_Diamond> i'm new to linux dont know wat are you tlaking about
[09:22] <Crazy_Diamond> :(
[09:22] <__> neighborlee: most commercial games don't use uber-recent "extensions", or allow for them not to be used if not available
[09:22] <Dotrig> hi
[09:22] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, try this command in a terminal, you'll get a text editor with you resolution, etc. options editable
[09:22] <__> extensions like.... ARB_vertex_program for instance ;)
[09:22] <chuen> Dotrig: hello
[09:23] <neighborlee> __, np..ill try that..you know what though..I NEVER thought about it since instalilng nvidia-glx and issuing: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable < would have taken care of it all ;-))
[09:23] <Dotrig> where can ifound ubuntu Cd & labels scan?
[09:23] <Hell-Razor> um guys when it trys to install stuff from the cd i get a buffer i/o error from /cdrom/ section (XXXXX)
[09:23] <Echylo> gtg
[09:23] <__> neighborlee: heh
[09:23] <Echylo> hf & cya later :)
[09:24] <Dotrig> Where can I?
[09:24] <Dotrig> Any knows
[09:24] <blizah> how would i make a quick button for steam but ran through cedega?..ive been looking forever
[09:25] <t31> i got this site in ff http://www.whatuseek.com/ everytime i start it
[09:25] <t31> and cant change it :(
[09:25] <hawke_> blizah: how do you run steam now?
[09:26] <t31> in firefox seems to be the original one but later loads this
[09:26] <blizah> well i have to go to terminal and use cedega
[09:26] <Dotrig> Where can i get cd labels to ubuntu ??..
[09:26] <t31> any spyware?
[09:26] <mirak> debconf always try to configure two times xserver-xorg during a dist-upgrade, on hoary PPC
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> Read error - read (5 Input/output error) <[09:27] <chuen> Dotrig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=art
[09:27] <hawke_> blizah: it should be something like 'winex steam.exe'
[09:28] <siretart> hy
[09:28] <hawke_> blizah: but, just make a link to whatever command you use to run steam now...
[09:28] <hawke_> blizah: or by "cedega" do you mean "point2play"?
[09:28] <siretart> im looking for an up-to-date hoary minimal netinst cd image, I want to reinstall hoary via net. can you give me a pointer?
[09:29] <blizah> right now i get to the steam dir. and type cedega steam.exe
[09:29] <siretart> I don't want to download 700mb full cdimage, just a small iso image
[09:29] <hawke_> blizah: then that's what you need the link to point to
[09:29] <Hell-Razor> blizah: cd /path/to/steam/dir && cedega Steam.exe
[09:30] <Slack_Rox> lol at this mess
[09:30] <blizah> put that in the command of a launcher icon?
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> or cedega /path/to/Steam.exe
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> just run that from a terminal
[09:30] <blizah> yea i know to run steam...just want to make a button taht will run it
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> well
[09:30] <blizah> (so i dont have to type stuff every time i want to laucnh it
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> do the same witht he button as you would type it in a terminal
[09:30] <hawke_> blizah: panel, add to panel, custom application launcher
[09:31] <goldfish> blizah: u buy cedega?
[09:31] <Fator_Dee> make a button that has a command cedega Steam.exe
[09:31] <blizah> how do you specify a enter?
[09:31] <blizah> yea
[09:31] <hawke_> blizah: You don't have to specify an enter
[09:31] <jesuel> siretart, ive not seen one of those yet for hoary. Or warty for that matter.
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> blizah: what do you mean specify an enter? you dont have to
[09:31] <blizah> ive triend cedega Steam.exe
[09:32] <blizah> nothing happesn
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> blizah: ug what path is steam in
[09:32] <hawke_> blizah: you need cedega /path/to/steam.exe
[09:32] <Dotrig> worked npt http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=art :( no labels with jpg
[09:32] <blizah> ah k
[09:32] <siretart> jesuel: that would be sad, I think I've seen somewhere one..
[09:32] <edgarin> Hello what is the sources.list samba 3.0-11
[09:32] <Fator_Dee> blizah: and remember that steam.exe is not the same as Steam.exe
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me...whenever i do apt-get -f install i get errors processing /cdrom/* ect and it returns error exit status two....does this mean i should get a new cd?
[09:33] <jesuel> siretart, I think it would be a wonderful thing to have. Ive just not seen one.
[09:33] <tizzen> anyone here using an Audigy 2 for sound? Please message me if you can help me get it working
[09:33] <blizah> heh k tnx
[09:33] <blizah> thought i had tried taht
[09:33] <blizah> maybe i did put steam instead of Steam
[09:34] <Dotrig> booting Cyaa..
[09:34] <blizah> can you turn off case sensitivity for files/folders?
[09:34] <Fator_Dee> nope?
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> at least I don't know of a way
[09:35] <goldfish> dont think so
[09:35] <hawke_> Fator_Dee: I like that it stores the case...but not that it requires it.
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> but you will get used to it
[09:35] <blizah> hehe
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> and it makes sense, that TextFile is not the same as textfile
[09:36] <TheBarron> Cases are SoooOOooo sensitive..
[09:36] <blizah> hehe
[09:37] <goldfish> Well, I will live with case sensitivity, instead of using windows :)
[09:37] <hawke_> Fator_Dee: It makes sense, but I don't see any benefit of having textfile not the same as TextFile ... if you have two files, which one's the one you want?  There's no clear identifier.
[09:38] <neighborlee> __, okay I changed XF86Config-4 and took out dri and opengl lines..but still i have ARB problems ;(...wth am I missing...
[09:39] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm just a question, i have a Dual-head system, can i tell gnome/ the wohle system to place popup windwos / dialogs on one screen not in center of both ?
[09:40] <arsre> hi all is there any body who can help me with graphics in private
[09:40] <arsre> ?
[09:40] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me...whenever i do apt-get -f install i get errors processing /cdrom/* ect and it returns error exit status two....does this mean i should get a new cd?
[09:41] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: You're repeating yourself...
[09:41] <StoffBox-Steve> what graphics you mean arsre ?
[09:41] <sabdfl> hello ubuntites!
[09:41] <sabdfl> where do i change the default app for PDF's? i'd like to try evince instead of xpdf
[09:41] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: is the CD in the drive?
[09:42] <ssam> put a # before the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:42] <Fator_Dee> sabdfl: right click on .pdf -> properties -> open with -> +add
[09:43] <sabdfl> Fator_Dee: thank muchly!
[09:43] <sabdfl> s
[09:43] <Fator_Dee> no prob
[09:43] <Echylo> question! I made a terminal look transparant(eterm) on my desktop, but how do you make a program launch auto if you login?
[09:43] <goldfish> Echylo: gnome terminal supports transparency
[09:44] <Echylo> that is not the question :P
[09:44] <goldfish> Echylo: Computer Tab > Session
[09:44] <goldfish> i think
[09:44] <Echylo> ah!
[09:44] <Rocco> what i have to do if ubuntu is "unable to find i2c bus information"?
[09:44] <goldfish> it has a start up panel
[09:44] <goldfish> i think
[09:44] <hawke_> Echylo: system -> preferences -> sessions
[09:44] <goldfish> hehe
[09:44] <Echylo> yep
[09:44] <Echylo> thanks mate
[09:44] <goldfish> I was close :)
[09:44] <hawke_> goldfish: Think that changed warty vs. hoary
[09:45] <goldfish> ah right
[09:45] <StoffBox-Steve> ok than so, can i tell gnome, new windows sould be open on the right side of the screen instead of center ?
[09:45] <goldfish> sorry :) im still on warty
[09:45] <Hell-Razor> hawke_: yes its in el driv-o
[09:45] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: do apt-cdrom ident and compare to your sources.list
[09:46] <universal> does someone know about Adour
[09:46] <universal> ?
[09:46] <Hell-Razor> hawke_: i figured it out i had to do something with the repo
[09:47] <ssam> hell-razor /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:47] <judith_> is ubuntu "pure" debian?
[09:47] <ssam> see if there is a line in there that refers to the cd
[09:48] <ssam> and stick a # in front of it
[09:48] <hawke_> judith_: No
[09:48] <mdz> judith_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/ explains pretty well
[09:48] <judith_> thanx!
[09:50] <qbeek> hi, how to burn a music CD without K3B under Ubuntu Warty?
[09:51] <kent> qbeek, you could try to download graveman from internet (i dont think its in Warty). I think gravemans homepage has a .deb file you can download and install (if you know how to do that?)
[09:52] <ntoll> PHP5, I heard it was in Hoary, where is it (can't seem to see it in universe)
[09:52] <ntoll> ?
[09:53] <qbeek> kent, yes I will look at graveman.
[09:54] <Seveas> ntoll, libapache2-mod-php5?
[09:54] <Seveas> or: apt-cache search php5
[09:55] <qbeek> kent, graveman is in hoary universe :)
[09:55] <DnaDog> what is it to setup the mouse?  i dont have a /dev/mouse at the moment
[09:55] <Hell-Razor> ug can somebody help me out
[09:55] <Hell-Razor> ive been trying to get my soudn working with no luck so far
[09:55] <DnaDog> it was working until i buggered something up how do i re-create /dev/mouse
[09:56] <ntoll> Seveas, I did a search with Synaptic for PHP5 but returned nothing
[09:57] <koos_the_rea> Can you help me i downloaded the wartey-install-i386 rar arcive file unziped it and burned it to cd but the cd woulnt boot it isnt my bios i have booted from cd's before
[09:58] <zenrox> koos_the_rea,  you need the warty-install-i386.iso
[09:58] <zenrox> and burn the iso to disk
[09:58] <Tux-Rox> Has anyone been able to get the mplayer controls to work on mplayerplug-in? I'm using Hoary....
[09:59] <DnaDog> ok found it
[09:59] <dud-> hello sirs
[09:59] <Tux-Rox> hey dud
[09:59] <koos_the_rea> ok
[09:59] <apokryphos> koos_the_rea: since you're downloading, you might want to go for hoary instead; see /topic
[10:00] <Seveas> ntoll, did you apt-get update already?
[10:00] <koos_the_rea> thanx
[10:02] <dud-> my friend installed ubuntu on his nforce1 machine, and it didn't see the NIC so he turned it off in the bios, and put a realtek card in it. how would get that to work
[10:03] <jnk> it's not autodetected?
[10:03] <dud-> he said it wasnt
[10:03] <dud-> how can he check?
[10:03] <jnk> type ifconfig
[10:03] <jnk> see if eth0 or something is there
[10:03] <dud-> ok
[10:04] <dotrig> :) kay ga* :P.
[10:04] <kay> what dotrig ?
[10:04] <dotrig> swedish funn Joke :)
[10:04] <entheon> hias
[10:04] <entheon> i just installed my ubuntu
[10:05] <entheon> where do i go from here? where is the repository?
[10:05] <dud-> me too
[10:05] <dud-> heh
[10:05] <dud-> and my friend
[10:05] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:05] <dud-> I ran debian for like 8 years
[10:05] <entheon> or did apt set itself up already when i said "yes" to "install software from the internet"
[10:05] <dotrig> where can i get cd images in jpg also cover on cd..
[10:05] <entheon> dud-, wow, i feel sorry for you ;)
[10:05] <dud-> haha
[10:05] <dud-> I love debian
[10:05] <jnk> entheon, certainly, just try
[10:05] <dud-> but I wanted a decent desktop distro
[10:05] <entheon> dud-, fedora is good for desktop too
[10:06] <dud-> eh
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, i just came from FC3
[10:06] <entheon> it's nice
[10:06] <dud-> I hate RPM based distros
[10:06] <entheon> i'm trying out all the types of linuxes i can find though
[10:06] <dud-> I've dabbled in them in the past
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> entheon: fire up synaptic and start installing stuff
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, that's a dumb hatred, don't hate anything
[10:06] <entheon> oooh, ok it's got synaptic
[10:06] <dud-> rpm is a cruel cruel joke
[10:06] <dotrig> how i apt ?
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, back taht up with some real proof and then maybe i'll care... rpm worked fine for me all the times i used it
[10:07] <yokomo> dotrig: sudo apt-get update?
[10:07] <yokomo> or sudo apt-get upgrade?
[10:07] <yokomo> or sudo apt-get install xxxxx
[10:07] <dud-> just use an apt based distro entheon, you'll see
[10:07] <entheon> WTF
[10:07] <entheon> what is my root password
[10:07] <entheon> that's not even funny
[10:07] <dud-> no root
[10:07] <jnk> entheon, use your own
[10:07] <dud-> there is no root acount
[10:07] <Slack_Rox> lol
[10:07] <dud-> it's sorta like macos
[10:07] <entheon> it didn't ask me for a root password
[10:07] <dotrig> beed time
[10:07] <entheon> what!!!
[10:07] <entheon> so what do i use instead of root?
[10:07] <dud-> you use sudo for everything
[10:07] <entheon> hrm
[10:07] <entheon> ok
[10:08] <entheon> so i take it i'm already in the sudoers file
[10:08] <Slack_Rox> cool huh
[10:08] <dud-> that way kitties can't Hax0r your root account
[10:08] <entheon> ehh, i guess, i'll have to get used to it
[10:08] <dud-> yes
[10:08] <jnk> entheon, of course you can activate a root acount with "sudo passwd" then choose a password for root...
[10:08] <entheon> yeah, they just hack my user accounts
[10:08] <bryan_> anyone here ever used 'captive'?
[10:08] <Slack_Rox> I'm going back to slack this shit sucks and slack freaking works...
[10:08] <entheon> jnk, ahh good idea
[10:08] <spades> entheon: sudo passwd root and set one, then su up and enjot
[10:08] <spades> enjoy
[10:09] <Hell-Razor> guys using apt-get how would i search for a file
[10:09] <dud-> I had my root account generate a random password every 20 minutes on my last box
[10:09] <lool> is there a file similar to /etc/debian_version which gives the Ubuntu version (except sources.list)?
[10:09] <dud-> apt-cache search stuff
[10:09] <jnk> entheon, in synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list you can select what repositories you want to be able to download from
[10:09] <Hell-Razor> dud-: E: Invalid operation search
[10:09] <dud-> did you type it correctly?
[10:09] <jnk> Hell-Razor, apt-cache not apt-get
[10:09] <dud-> apt-cache search
[10:10] <Hell-Razor> k
[10:10] <siretart> Jergosh_S:     ~[6~[6~[6~   /sb end
[10:10] <siretart>
[10:10] <siretart> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/sbe end
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[10:10] <entheon> so what
[10:10] <entheon> is ubuntu based on debian?
[10:10] <yokomo> siretart: sperm hitting a condom?
[10:10] <dud-> jnk: ok my friend got his system up and there is a eth0, but it has no IP
[10:10] <jnk> entheon, totally
[10:10] <entheon> jnk, interesting
[10:10] <entheon> oh well, so much for an original distro
[10:10] <entheon> freakin a
[10:10] <siretart> yokomo: nope, connection problems
[10:10] <jnk> dud, ok so... do you have a router or somethhing providing DHCP?
[10:11] <dud-> I think he does
[10:11] <siretart> sorry about the noise..
[10:11] <entheon> lets see, there's debian, redhat, slackware, and bsd... nothing original has happened in all these years? damn!
[10:11] <jnk> dud, try "dhclient eth0"
[10:11] <entheon> oh yeah "gentoo" phfhpt
[10:11] <eyequeue> bsd != linux
[10:11] <entheon> eyequeue, duh
[10:11] <Karlosis> I had my CPU scale frequency with Debian's cpufreqd, how is this done in Ubuntu?
[10:11] <entheon> eyequeue, i didn't say it = linux :)
[10:11] <Hell-Razor> eyequeue: heh
[10:11] <dud-> yeah, and there is some good stuff going on with ubuntu
[10:11] <yokomo> entheon: so go program something enw
[10:11] <jnk> dud, (well of course it is "sudo dhclient eth0")
[10:11] <dud-> project utopia
[10:11] <yokomo> new*
[10:11] <Hell-Razor> bsd || linux
[10:11] <eyequeue> entheon:  what exactly are you  looking for in #ubuntu btw?
[10:12] <siretart> btw, I found the netinst images I was looking for: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[10:12] <dud-> 5.04 of ubuntu will be awesome
[10:12] <entheon> yokomo, nah, i was just lamenting, i thought maybe there were some actually new distros i hadn't tried
[10:12] <dud-> x.org
[10:12] <dud-> will it have beagle?
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm just looking for startup pointers, i just installed #ubuntu
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm on it right now... just testing out various distros to see how they compare
[10:12] <zenrox> entheon, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, so far nothing has beat FC3 imho, not that FC3 is the greatest...
[10:12] <bryan_> i find ubuntu a little bit laggy
[10:13] <entheon> zenrox, ok thanx
[10:13] <eyequeue> entheon:  if you're looking for something that isn't based upon a history of development, there are many "new" distros, you may enjoy the list at distrowatch
[10:13] <jnk> dud, I think 5.10 wil be the really good one... when they get gstreamer working really well, maybe beagle...
[10:13] <entheon> damn you guys have all these freakin dual nicks
[10:13] <dud-> jnk, it says something about unknown hardware
[10:13] <entheon> zenrox, zenwhen
[10:13] <entheon> dud and dud-
[10:13] <entheon> wtf?
[10:13] <dud-> wow
[10:13] <dud-> another dud?
[10:13] <zenrox> lol
[10:13] <dud-> 1 sec
[10:13] <randin> ok
[10:13] <randin> there
[10:13] <eyequeue> entheon:  that is, if you're not just looking for an excuse to bitch
[10:13] <zenrox> zenwhen,  is a differnt person
[10:13] <Karlosis> I had my CPU scale frequency with Debian's cpufreqd, how is this done in Ubuntu?
[10:13] <randin> less confusing
[10:13] <goldfish> u can get gkrellm Karlosis
[10:13] <randin> I've always been dud-
[10:14] <goldfish> i think that does it
[10:14] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm always looking for an excuse to bitch :)
[10:14] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, bolje da instaliras za pravo, nisam ja nikad koristio pc emulator; valjda ne radi perfektno
[10:14] <entheon> actually i've gotten so good in my years of practice
[10:14] <eyequeue> entheon:  kindly take it elsewhere, ubuntu is not about that
[10:14] <entheon> i no longer need an excuse :)
[10:14] <entheon> eyequeue, whatever
[10:14] <randin> ok, jnk his machine says something about unknown hardware, and it couldn't get any dhoffers, but the rest of the machines in his house workfine
[10:14] <jnk> dud, dhclient says unknown hardware? I've never seen that... you may search for the error message on google... or if you know what ip address the computer is supposed to have, you can assign it to it with "sudo ifconfig eth0 up <IP_ADDRESS>" (for example)
[10:14] <Crazy_Diamond> dali iko prica ex-yu da mi pomogne
[10:15] <bryan_> is there any way to make a ntfs drive read/write for everyone??
[10:15] <randin> ok
[10:15] <Karlosis> goldfish, this looks like a monitor of CPU, i want something that changes the clockspeed
[10:15] <zenrox> jnk,  or go tharu the gnome config
[10:15] <goldfish> Karlosis: ooooooooooooh
[10:15] <goldfish> apologies
[10:15] <goldfish> :/
[10:15] <jnk> zenrox, ah I've no idea what one can do there :)
[10:16] <randin> ok, now if ubuntu had framebuffer on by default, because I'm too lazy to edit the grub file
[10:16] <zenrox> cange ip put dns etc....
[10:16] <bryan_> on ubuntuguide.org it says you can make ntfs read only
[10:16] <Karlosis> I think I found it, powernowd
[10:16] <bryan_> but not read/write
[10:16] <zenrox> bryan_,  that right
[10:16] <zenrox> ntfs you cant write to it
[10:16] <eyequeue> bryan_:  rw has traditionally been unsafe
[10:17] <jnk> except with a driver that use wine and MS's driver
[10:17] <bryan_> so, is there any other workaround other then formatting it?
[10:17] <bryan_> jnk: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ ?
[10:17] <jnk> yeah
[10:17] <eyequeue> bryan_:  ask the developers of the format to open their specs, and that can be changed, heh
[10:17] <bryan_> it's a 160gb drive, and i've got like 120gb of music on it
[10:17] <bryan_> so formatting it is almost out of the question
[10:18] <jnk> bye
[10:18] <eyequeue> bryan_:  there are other fs's that are compatible with ms os's and linux, if you prefer
[10:18] <Crazy_Diamond> dali iko prica ex-yu da mi pomogne
[10:19] <bryan_> well, i switched from windows
[10:19] <bryan_> i just want to be able to write to it in linux
[10:19] <goldfish> has to be fat32 i think
[10:19] <goldfish> to write
[10:19] <t325> if NTFS partition then hard
[10:19] <eyequeue> bryan_:  you're effectively saying "i just want to destroy everything on it" with linux
[10:20] <bryan_> ok
[10:20] <bryan_> poop
[10:20] <eyequeue> bryan_:  writing is possible, but not advisible
[10:20] <bryan_> alright
[10:20] <randin> ok, my friend's system always hangs on "configuring network interfaces"
[10:20] <drspin> anyone been able to get Nvu working?
[10:20] <Xira-> Hi, will ubuntu support my Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb in at least 2d by default?
[10:20] <eyequeue> bryan_:  is the music the primary issue for you?
[10:21] <bryan_> well, that and there's another unused 40gb on it that i'll need eventually
[10:21] <eyequeue> bryan_:  if so, there may be an option, though not painless
[10:21] <t325> I think resizing is the best option
[10:22] <eyequeue> bryan_:  borrow a cd burner from a friend, or take your hd to that friend's ms-based machine, and burn the music to cds.  then you're free to put a more compatible fs on there and use the full drive
[10:22] <jesuel> I must be missing something here. Amd64 system, new hoary install, trying to install the fglrx drivers. The system shows that fglrx loads in dmesg, But when I specify for x.org to use the fglrx driver. The system hardlocks up and i have to power it off and reboot it.
[10:23] <goldfish> lol
[10:23] <bryan_> well, i have a dual layer dvd burner
[10:23] <eyequeue> bryan_:  you can of course write the music back to the drive afterward, if you want the convenience factor of it being all there at once
[10:23] <goldfish> still alot of stuff to burn
[10:23] <bryan_> yeah
[10:23] <goldfish> bryan_: no-one got a big hd u cud use for a while
[10:23] <bryan_> and dual layer discs are like $10/each
[10:23] <Karlosis> jesuel, do they already do amd64 at ATI?
[10:23] <eyequeue> bryan_:  as i said, not painless, but it does solve the issue
[10:23] <Xira-> Hi, will ubuntu support my Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb by default.....?
[10:23] <bryan_> guess I'll just buy a new drive then
[10:24] <EX-YU> daliiiii iko ima da mi pomogneeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:24] <bryan_> 200gb 16/mb caches are getting cheap
[10:24] <eyequeue> bryan_:  personally, i'd go with cheap media, since it's a short term burning really
[10:24] <jesuel> Karlosis, doesnt say they do, but there is suppsosed to be support in amd64 hoary for ati's fglrx driver
[10:24] <Amaranth> Xira-: Yeah, and with a quick call to apt-get it should support it for 3D too using ATI's binary driver.
[10:24] <drspin> bryan_: you can donate your old one to me ;)
[10:24] <Xira-> Amaranth: thx :D
[10:25] <t325> bryan_, to resize partition run chkdsk c: or d: or whathever: in windoze, then install qtparted or the partition editor of ur choice in linux, then resize the partition
[10:25] <Xira-> Also, which build of Ubuntu do you guys reccomend?
[10:25] <Karlosis> ah... didn't know that, jesuel , i too have ATI and amd64
[10:25] <eyequeue> bryan_:  of course, if money isn'at a factor, get another hd, trasfer the data to it, and make an ext2 partition where the ntfs one now is, and transfer the data back
[10:25] <Xira-> I'm just going to be using it as a desktop linux
[10:25] <eyequeue> t325:  he speaks as though his ms is gone
[10:25] <bryan_> yeah, i kicked windows to the curb
[10:26] <goldfish> i still have it for games
[10:26] <jesuel> Amaranth, You mention that that ati binary driver should work
[10:26] <jesuel> Amaranth, im getting a hardlock on my system when i try to use it. :(
[10:26] <Xira-> What's the diffrence of warty/jigit/4.10??
[10:26] <eyequeue> bryan_:  but as i implied, if you're the social type, borrowing a drive from a friend for a bit can be your solution (hd, if not cd)
[10:26] <Amaranth> nothing
[10:26] <Amaranth> jigit is a way of getting it
[10:26] <Xira-> Nothing? O_o
[10:27] <Xira-> Oh
[10:27] <Xira-> lol :P
[10:27] <Amaranth> warty is the name and 4.10 is the version
[10:27] <Xira-> Wow, it's only 1cd? :)
[10:28] <drspin> YAY vmware :)
[10:28] <Karlosis> jesuel, which package is it?
[10:28] <drspin> public beta = FREE :)
[10:28] <eyequeue> Xira-:  there is a livecd, and there is an install cd.  be careful to get the one you want
[10:28] <bryan_> thanks for the help guys
[10:28] <Xira-> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso is the install cd right?
[10:28] <Hell-Razor> hrm does anybody here have cedega running steam?
[10:28] <NetGeek> would people suggest getting an ATI (9600 XT) card over an nvidia card?
[10:29] <Xira-> NetGeek: for *nix?
[10:29] <bryan_> Xira-, yes
[10:29] <Xira-> no
[10:29] <goldfish> Hell-Razor: blizah mentioned it earlier
[10:29] <Xira-> not if you're going to use *nix
[10:29] <Xira-> If you're going to use *nix get nVidia
[10:29] <JordanAU> okay after many hours of work i have managed to get ndiswrapper deb file on my new ubuntu install. How do i run it? should i use synaptic and make my folder where the file is a repository???
[10:29] <Xira-> better driver support
[10:29] <NetGeek> Xira-: the driver for ATI still suck?
[10:29] <Xira-> well
[10:29] <Xira-> pretty much
[10:29] <Hell-Razor> Xira-: ati runs good on linux, just a pain in the fucking ass to install
[10:29] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  "run"?  you mean install?
[10:29] <bryan_> yeah
[10:29] <JordanAU> yes
[10:29] <jesuel> Hell-Razor,  aye
[10:29] <Xira-> they're not the greatest thing in the world
[10:29] <Guinea> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no
[10:29] <Guinea> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[10:29] <Guinea> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[10:29] <Guinea> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[10:29] <Guinea> *** full path to glib-config.
[10:29] <Guinea> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[10:30] <bryan_> i need to install something for my ati video
[10:30] <bryan_> i need to get out of 1024x768
[10:30] <eyequeue> Guinea:  don't flood please
[10:30] <NetGeek> I can get the ATI $70 cheaper than a comparable nvidia card
[10:30] <Guinea> Sorry.
[10:30] <Xira-> THe reason I got this Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb is because I got it for $80 USD from an nVidia fanboy back when this card was like 300$+
[10:30] <bryan_> i need my 1280x1024 back
[10:30] <Guinea> I didn't intend to.
[10:30] <koos_the_rea> hoary-install-i386.iso hope this is the right one
[10:30] <JordanAU> eyequeue: yes
[10:30] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  you run dpkg to do that :)  "sudo dpkg --install foo.deb"
[10:30] <JordanAU> dpkg
[10:30] <JordanAU> great
[10:31] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  foo.deb being ndis*
[10:31] <Guinea> So, I get the message above... What do I have to do?
[10:31] <JordanAU> perfect
[10:31] <Xira-> So 4.10 is only 1cd to confirm, right?
[10:31] <drspin> Xira-: yes
[10:31] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  welcome to ubuntu btw :)
[10:31] <Xira-> And you can setup a dual boot with XP from the install easily?
[10:31] <ompaul> koos_the_rea, it is the right one for downloading if you have choosen it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/ if it is array 6 you want
[10:31] <JordanAU> i will rebooy into linux and hopefully will be back with good news
[10:31] <hawke_> Guinea: install libglib-dev
[10:31] <JordanAU> thanks for the welcome
[10:31] <eyequeue> Xira-:  correct, 1 live cd OR 1 install cd (which do differ)
[10:32] <Xira-> I'm on XP with 20gb or so of unpartitoned space, will it be easy for me to setup a dual boot in Ubuntu in the setup?
[10:32] <bear> is anyone having "connection refused" errors trying to apt-get update (from us.archive.ubuntu.com) ?
[10:32] <eyequeue> Xira-:  easy is opinion, but i think you'll find it easy if you're not a complete novice, and it sounds like you're not
[10:32] <Xira-> I've installed Fedora and Mandrake before
[10:33] <Xira-> heh
[10:33] <Guinea> Hawke: It is installed...
[10:33] <randin> where is mplayer?
[10:33] <randin> universe?
[10:33] <randin> or someplace else?
[10:33] <eyequeue> Xira-:  you'll find it different,but well-within your ability, imo
[10:33] <Xira-> k
[10:33] <Xira-> thx :)
[10:33] <koos_the_rea> ok thanx
[10:33] <Xira-> I finally grew some balls and resized my partition to make 20gb free for *nix
[10:34] <Xira-> :P
[10:34] <eyequeue> heh
[10:34] <Xira-> and luckily it worked
[10:34] <drspin> Xira -- I need a place to put 50G of data so I can bag my NTFS
[10:34] <NetGeek> is there a mplayer deb with the graphical interface enabled in warty?
[10:34] <Xira-> drspin: external hd!
[10:34] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  not precisely
[10:35] <Xira-> 15mins left till Ubuntu is done
[10:35] <Xira-> <3 comcast
[10:35] <bryan_> how come ati only released their new linux drivers in rpm format?
[10:35] <bryan_> how do i use a rpm on deb/ubuntu
[10:35] <goldfish> bryan_: use alien
[10:35] <drspin> Xira-: no $$ to fund such a project ;)
[10:35] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  being "non-free" it's not in the official repositories, but it is easy to add the repository you need following the instructions on the wiki
[10:35] <drspin> 46.6G of data to be exact
[10:35] <Amaranth> bryan_: alien file.rpm
[10:36] <Amaranth> bryan_: It'll generate a .deb file
[10:36] <Xira-> Amaranth: So I can install the ATI Binary drivers through apt-get?
[10:36] <bryan_> then i do dpkg --install file.deb?
[10:36] <Amaranth> Xira-: Yeah. I think you have to enable multiverse first though.
[10:36] <eyequeue> bryan_:  bingo :)  btw, dpkg -i is less typing for the same thing, if you see it mentioned
[10:36] <Xira-> I'll be asking those questions after I get it installed :P
[10:37] <NetGeek> eyequeue: get the hoary one for warty?
[10:37] <Xira-> I'm typing in windows right now
[10:37] <Xira-> and the red sheild icon in my tray is scaring me and telling me I don't have an antivirus
[10:37] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  no, warty has it as well, i believe
[10:37] <Xira-> It also told me I suck
[10:37] <Xira-> :(
[10:37] <goldfish> lol
[10:37] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  there is even an mplayer plugin for mozilla/firefox, iirc
[10:38] <bryan_> bleh, it crashed
[10:38] <avirox> hi all
[10:38] <bryan_> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:38] <goldfish> hai
[10:38] <andrewski> hey
[10:38] <avirox> I'm having problems in ubuntu with my web connection
[10:38] <NetGeek> eyequeue: the wiki page I found was for hoary mplayer in warty
[10:38] <avirox> for soem reason it seems to hang a lot
[10:38] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  generally, it's best not to mix warty and hoary
[10:38] <andrewski> avirox: what kind of connection?
[10:38] <horay_tester> Hi, I am both new to ubuntu (and debian) and testing hoary on a laptop. So far WOW! great.. but there are some issues.
[10:38] <avirox> like, gAIM and synaptic wont load right away usually
[10:38] <avirox> andrewski, PPP
[10:38] <Xira-> Once I get Ubuntu installed, will it be easy to read from my NTFS partition?
[10:38] <avirox> DSL
[10:39] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  hmmm, you can try i supose, but i'd first see if you can find a waty one
[10:39] <AndyR> lo all
[10:39] <andrewski> avirox: are they dialing in?  or is it already connected
[10:39] <andrewski> hey AndyR
[10:39] <andrewski> AndyR: nice name :)
[10:39] <horay_tester> I made somechjnges to the acpi directories, and somehow the upgrade from synaptic does not override my chnges! is there a way to reset the changes???
[10:39] <avirox> right now im downloading an update at 600 bytes a second, a minute ago it wa 40kb/s ~
[10:39] <avirox> andrewski, already conencted
[10:39] <AndyR> andrewski, :)
[10:39] <eyequeue> Xira-:  read yes, write no.  you first mount it with -t ntfs
[10:39] <avirox> i made it do so at bootup
[10:39] <andrewski> avirox: can you ping your gateway?
[10:40] <Xira-> I don't need to write
[10:40] <avirox> er.. how?
[10:40] <Xira-> I just need access to my music
[10:40] <Xira-> and .docs
[10:40] <goldfish> Xira-: yep
[10:40] <blizah> can i update firefox w/ out going to hoary?
[10:40] <andrewski> avirox: do you know the IP of your gateway?
[10:40] <avirox> nope
[10:40] <blizah> k, tnx
[10:40] <andrewski> avirox: ok, open up networking
[10:40] <eyequeue> blizah:  you may be interested in the backports project, see the wiki
[10:40] <andrewski> blizah: that wasn't at you.  you can. :)
[10:40] <andrewski> blizah: ^^^ see what eyequeue said.
[10:41] <avirox> ok
[10:41] <avirox> now?
[10:41] <bear> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down? I'm getting connection refused from apt-get update
[10:41] <goldfish> Xira-: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:41] <andrewski> avirox: whenever you want help :)
[10:41] <drspin> is there a good tutorial for managing my files on linux...
[10:41] <andrewski> drspin: what do you mean "managing"?
[10:41] <andrewski> drspin: where to put stuff?
[10:41] <eyequeue> drspin:  "managing"?
[10:41] <avirox> hmm it sez i have 2 dns servers
[10:41] <andrewski> avirox: yes, but what's your gateway?
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: can you find that?
[10:42] <avirox> says "default gateway device: eth0"
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: ok, then open the properties for eth0 :)
[10:42] <eyequeue> andrewski:  we're overlapping a bit :)  i'm off to find food, leaving the world in your good hands :)
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: at the bottom is "gateway"
[10:43] <andrewski> eyequeue: heh :) i want you to know i was faster. :)
[10:43] <avirox> "Gateway" is greyed
[10:43] <avirox> since it's on DHCP
[10:43] <eyequeue> heh
[10:43] <andrewski> avirox: oh, right.
[10:43] <andrewski> eyequeue: ;)
[10:43] <avirox> ?
[10:43] <andrewski> avirox: open up a terminal then
[10:44] <avirox> k
[10:44] <blizah> ah cool
[10:44] <blizah> is it stable?
[10:44] <andrewski> avirox: ifconfig eth0
[10:44] <blizah> (the backports project)
[10:44] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/home/avirox # ipconfig eth0
[10:44] <avirox> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[10:44] <andrewski> blizah: there are many people using it, if that's what you mean.  it's the same package as hoary.
[10:44] <andrewski> avirox: yes, iFconfig
[10:44] <Vjaz> avirox: it's ifconfig
[10:44] <avirox> oooh
[10:44] <Vjaz> avirox: interface-config, I think
[10:44] <avirox> sorry
[10:44] <avirox> ghehe
[10:45] <andrewski> avirox: you're not in windows anymore, toto... i mean avirox. :P
[10:45] <avirox> ;)
[10:45] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/home/avirox # ifconfig eth0
[10:45] <avirox> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0F:EA:48:9F:1F
[10:45] <avirox>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:45] <avirox>           inet6 addr: fe80::20f:eaff:fe48:9f1f/64 Scope:Link
[10:45] <avirox>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[10:45] <avirox>           RX packets:8069 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[10:45] <avirox>           TX packets:5363 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[10:45] <avirox>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[10:45] <avirox>           RX bytes:10424391 (9.9 MiB)  TX bytes:445131 (434.6 KiB)
[10:45] <avirox>           Interrupt:22 Base address:0xa000
[10:45] <andrewski> ooh... you didn't need to post it all. :D
[10:45] <avirox> sry@spam
[10:45] <avirox> guess I should have MSGd that hehe
[10:45] <randin> or a pastebin
[10:45] <Xira-> <3 pastebin
[10:46] <Blissex> avirox: excessive paste, and most  of the lines are useless.
[10:46] <andrewski> Blissex: yes, he realised that.
[10:46] <avirox> andrewski, so does it look ok?
[10:46] <Xira-> Blissex: a little behind are we? :)
[10:47] <Blissex> Xira-: stating the obvious in a summary can reinforce the message... :-)
[10:47] <andrewski> avirox: ok, so try to ping the DNS servers.  'ping -c 10 ###.##.###.##'
[10:47] <Xira-> Blissex: True. :P
[10:47] <andrewski> Blissex: but it had already been restated. :P
[10:47] <andrewski> avirox: you still have networking open?  the dns servers are in there.  ping both.
[10:48] <drspin> eyequeue: andrewski: I mean I want to free up some space on my comp... aside from $home where else can I look for stuff to delete?
[10:48] <avirox> k
[10:48] <andrewski> avirox: when you're done, paste the last two lines.
[10:48] <andrewski> avirox: for each. :)
[10:48] <avirox> rgr
[10:48] <andrewski> drspin: sudo apt-get clean
[10:49] <andrewski> drspin: that will delete the package files for anything installed.
[10:49] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9008ms
[10:49] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.566/9.363/10.262/0.549 ms
[10:49] <andrewski> drspin: other than that, /tmp has some stuff...
[10:49] <avirox> and for the second one..
[10:49] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9009ms
[10:49] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.204/19.169/19.742/0.518 ms
[10:49] <andrewski> avirox: try the second one again.
[10:50] <avirox> k
[10:50] <andrewski> @all: how does one find the gateway IP on DHCP?
[10:50] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9000ms
[10:50] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.443/19.042/19.680/0.441 ms
[10:50] <bryan_> gateway is usually <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:50] <andrewski> avirox: nothing there looks bad, those are all pretty low values.
[10:50] <andrewski> avirox: are you on a router?
[10:50] <avirox> should i even have 2 dns servers?
[10:50] <EX-YU> dali iko prica moj jezil
[10:51] <andrewski> avirox: dunno; i have 2. :P
[10:51] <EX-YU> DALI IKO PRICA MOJ JEZIK
[10:51] <R0bNyc> anyonehere got gnomebaker?
[10:51] <Xira-> Another question, how is setting up dual boot in Ubuntu work?
[10:51] <Levander> andrewski: /sbin/ip route
[10:51] <andrewski> Xira-: there's a howto on the website.
[10:51] <andrewski> Levander: thanks.
[10:52] <Levander> andrewski: "default via" lists gateway
[10:52] <andrewski> avirox: try that ^^^
[10:52] <Levander> Xira-: to complicated for here, check what andrewski said
[10:52] <andrewski> Xira-: post back if you have trouble finding it.
[10:53] <jesuel> sweet, got ati's fglrx drivers working now :)
[10:53] <Levander> my /etc/hosts file gets overwritten every time i reboot, anybody know what tool I can use to configure this overwriting?
[10:53] <andrewski> avirox: brb.
[10:53] <jesuel> my laptop is happy :)
[10:53] <ender_> hi
[10:53] <bryan_> jesuel, how!
[10:53] <ender_> nas
[10:53] <clparker> how do i get GNOME terminal?
[10:53] <jesuel> bryan_,  what do you mean how?
[10:53] <tck> anyone play a divx file on ubunut
[10:53] <tck> *ubuntu
[10:53] <bryan_> horay or warty?
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> clparker: you already have it
[10:54] <Levander> nevermind, i found it, Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking
[10:54] <tck> have an .avi encoded with divx, having problems playing it
[10:54] <clparker> how do i run GNOME terminal?
[10:54] <goldfish> clparker: Applications > Sys tools > terminal
[10:54] <jesuel> bryan_, hoary
[10:54] <ender_> i ve just installed ubuntu but it didn't ask me for a root password, there is any one default?
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> clparker: right click on desktop, open terminal
[10:54] <bryan_> ohh
[10:54] <bryan_> ok
[10:54] <clparker> oh ok.
[10:54] <andrewski> avirox: you still there? :)
[10:55] <goldfish> ender_: no root account as default
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> ender_: you use sudo
[10:55] <clparker> i saw screen shots of a program that said GNOME terminal at the top
[10:55] <gilles> Next month, when Hoary will be released, how should I do to upgrade my Warty ?
[10:55] <goldfish> the root pass is your accunt pass
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> well not quite
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> there is no root password
[10:55] <ender_> oh, ok
[10:55] <goldfish> well
[10:55] <goldfish> sorry
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> but sudo will get you root access with your password
[10:55] <Xira-> andrewski: Looks confusing :x
[10:56] <ender_> the user is directly the root?
[10:56] <goldfish> Xira-: It's easy enough.
[10:56] <goldfish> ender_: nope
[10:56] <goldfish> ender_: sudo to root
[10:56] <goldfish> well
[10:56] <pere> anyone here involved with popcon in ubuntu?
[10:56] <ender_> whats sudo?
[10:56] <goldfish> oh right
[10:56] <ender_> im not english ;)
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> man sudo
[10:56] <randin> sudo is superuser do!
[10:56] <ender_> ok
[10:56] <randin> you do stuff as root
[10:57] <goldfish> I:m not eNgliSH!
[10:57] <randin> the way things should be done
[10:57] <ender_> ok
[10:57] <Xira-> goldfish: I have 1 huge NTFS partition and 20gb of Unpartitioned space, I plan to install Ubuntu on that space, so what else do I need to change in terms of partitions?
[10:57] <ender_> thanks
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> Xira-: nothing, just tell ubuntu to use that spae
[10:57] <goldfish> Xira-: leave it as empty space
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> space
[10:57] <goldfish> ubuntu install disk will do everythng for you
[10:57] <Xira-> What else will I have to do on those instructions then?
[10:57] <Xira-> for dual boot to work
[10:58] <goldfish> what instructions?
[10:58] <Xira-> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot
[10:58] <goldfish> Xira-: u have 20 gigs of unpartitioned space, yes?
[10:59] <Xira-> yes
[10:59] <andrewski> avirox: alright, you'll have to have someone else help you.
[10:59] <goldfish> Xira-: just stick in the ubuntu disk
[11:00] <goldfish> Xira-: let it partition the empty space for you
[11:00] <Xira-> Well will the Ubuntu installer ask me if I want to dual boot using grub or w/e?
[11:01] <art-777> Hi. I can't configure gnome menu -  Ubuntu 5.04. "nautilus applications:///" do not work. Can anybody hel me ?
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: it will install grub auto
[11:01] <cao30> hello ppl
[11:01] <Xira-> and grub will do the dual boot thing auto?
[11:01] <mdke> who has good knowledge about the difference between the mplayer-ubuntu build and the mplayer-woody build in mplayer?
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: yep
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: u dual booting with xp ?
[11:01] <Xira-> goldfish: I plan to
[11:01] <Xira-> I'm on XP right now
[11:01] <goldfish> well grub shud detect windows auto for you
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:01] <goldfish> k cool
[11:01] <Xira-> Anything ele I need to know?
[11:01] <goldfish> i do the same
[11:01] <Xira-> Before I boot from the cd
[11:01] <thierry> how do I set up my printer?
[11:01] <goldfish> not really
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:02] <Xira-> bbs then, gonna install
[11:02] <LinuxJones> art-777, nobody has an answer
[11:02] <cao30> i'm connecting to the net through an external router, how can I know which dynamic IP address my ISP assigned to me?
[11:02] <goldfish> Xira-: the installation cd is fairly straight forward
[11:02] <Xira-> k
[11:02] <Xira-> wish me luck :)
[11:02] <goldfish> Xira-: good luck :)
[11:02] <cao30> good luck :)
[11:02] <goldfish> cao30: www.whatismyip.org
[11:02] <cao30> hum.. I need to guess it via command line
[11:02] <goldfish> :)
[11:03] <goldfish> em
[11:03] <cao30> just to launch ez-ipupdate
[11:03] <goldfish> ifconfig doesnt doesnt show it, it seems
[11:03] <cao30> no, it just gives my local net address (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:03] <goldfish> one sec, ill ask my linux friends :)
[11:03] <goldfish> im a n00b
[11:07] <andreas> Good evening
[11:07] <cao30> good evening
[11:08] <horay_tester>  Good evening
[11:08] <schasi> Good evening
[11:08] <andreas> I was wondering if any of yu guys knew of a decent RSS program that integrates with the desktop?
[11:08] <JordanAU> good evening
[11:08] <horay_tester> with KDE there is akregator,
[11:08] <andreas> So polite...;-)
[11:08] <horay_tester> with gnome??!??!!? dont know
[11:08] <apokryphos> andreas: depends on whether you're using Gnome/kde. Not sure about gnome, but kde has akregator.
[11:08] <[FiDO] > ok I'm havig a problem with my tv audio
[11:08] <andreas> Hmm... I am actually using Gnome
[11:09] <horay_tester> where to report ubunto hoary problems????
[11:09] <[FiDO] > for some reason its trying to use the wrong device does anyone have any idea how I would force it to cange
[11:09] <horay_tester> TV is beyond me sorry..
[11:09] <apokryphos> horay_tester: depends on what they are. Perhaps filing a bug-report. What's the problem?
[11:10] <horay_tester> window focus steeling for example, and some other little things, like when I add some applets to the panel the gnome panels would freeze
[11:11] <thierry> how can I set up my printer?
[11:12] <mdke> what does Sounder CD9 mean? <-- sorry my net connection went down for a moment. Did anyone answer this?
[11:12] <horay_tester> And another problem, which might be my ignorance is related to synaptic, I playes with the /etc/acpi dir, and further updates of the acpi even reinstall would not restore the original files, its as if it remembers it? how to reset it?
[11:13] <horay_tester> Where to get info on the changes in the updated software in Ubuntu?
[11:14] <kent> thierry, in the menu, you should find a program called printer or something like that.
[11:14] <ssam> you should get change logs in hoary now, in synaptic
[11:14] <apokryphos> horay_tester: also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog has a lot of the basic stuff.
[11:15] <mdke> what does Sounder CD9 mean? <-- sorry my net connection went down for a moment. Did anyone answer this?
[11:15] <andreas> Also comes when you hit the "terminal" button while updating. (soing as we speak)
[11:16] <JordanAU> is the kernel source available on the warty cd?
[11:16] <error_29> folks, gnome is trying to wear me out or induce epilepsy with animations, and I can't turn them off-- help
[11:16] <goldfish> use fluxbox
[11:16] <goldfish> :)
[11:16] <goldfish> well
[11:17] <error_29> in Gconfig, I unchecked this thing: "enable animations"-- but, panels still animate when I hide/unhide them
[11:17] <andreas> Does anyone know how to install a new login theme from art.gnome?
[11:17] <error_29> and,- this makes me crazy- I can't find a way to get windows to just minimize, without a very distracting animation effect-- what gives?
[11:17] <LinuxJones> andreas, in gdmsetup
[11:18] <dampjam> What ubuntu packages contains the javac binary to create jar files?
[11:18] <andreas> linuxjones: You`ll have to guide me to that.
[11:18] <andreas> Can`t see it
[11:18] <LinuxJones> andreas, sudo gdmsetup in console
[11:19] <drspin> Anyone been able to get Nvu to work on Warty?
[11:19] <scorpix_> what the differents between universe and multiverse?
[11:19] <andreas> There we go... Thanks!
[11:19] <LinuxJones> ;)
[11:20] <mdke> drspin, i tried and failed on hoary
[11:20] <vincent_> scorpix_: in multiverse there is non-free software, i think
[11:21] <jesus\> what do i install to get a java virtual machine?
[11:21] <drspin> mdke: doesn't work on Warty either :(
[11:21] <zenrox> jesus\,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java
[11:21] <jesus\> thanks
[11:21] <goldfish> jesus\: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:22] <kent> *ggrr* Some cd-rw drives should not be allowed to say they can burn in high speeds. Last night I f*cked my third CD, and it seems that if I just burn in a lower speed everything will work just fine.
[11:23] <JordanAU> what is the kernel version of warty
[11:23] <andreas> .
[11:23] <andreas> 2.6
[11:23] <kez> Hi chaps, having a little issue with my user permissions on some vfat mounts. The mount string in fstab is fine, but the two folders in /mnt are not - i've chgrpd them to users and chownd them my user repeatedly, but they keep getting reverted to root
[11:23] <phosphorgreen> JordanAU: uname -a
[11:23] <thierry> kent, Idont find anything like that, for printer
[11:23] <JordanAU> crap gotta reboot to linux
[11:24] <JordanAU> but uname -1 will give the kernel version
[11:24] <andreas> I once saw a really cool login featurin a cup of coffee on a white background but i cannot find it now. Anyone?
[11:24] <JordanAU> i mean uname -a
[11:24] <jblack> Hi. I'm having trouble with hotplug the drivers for my ipw2200 every time I upgrade the kernel. Instead, I end up having to update symlinks. I understand that hotplug is supposed to handle that automatically.
[11:24] <tjs> gday, just trying to install warty on a machine with an adaptec SATA hardware raid controller. Ive configured raid 1 in the bios utility, mirroring both disks, and when I run custom-expert installer I notice that its loading ata_piix raid controller modules, however when I get to partitioning the disk it represents it as sda and sdb
[11:24] <kent> thierry, Im not on ubuntu warty so I cant help you with where it is, but im sure its there some where..  In Computer somewhere? I have it in System->Administration, but Im using the unstable branch of Ubuntu, so Its a bit diffrent from yours..
[11:25] <JordanAU> and then to install the source all i have to do is download the correct version off of kernel.org and tar correct?
[11:25] <thierry> kent, got it thanks
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> JordanAU: I think you need to read a few things
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> download the kernel source package with synaptic
[11:25] <JordanAU> i have been readin all day
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> that will save you some time
[11:26] <JordanAU> i cant i dont have ndiswrapper yet
[11:26] <phosphorgreen> well it'll be much easier to use the ubuntu kernel-source rather than the one from kernel.org, trust me
[11:26] <waseem> Hi I'm trying to connect my calculator using tilp, and I'm getting the error message: Msg: Timeout occured while writing to the device.
[11:26] <waseem> Cause: Check that your link cable is plugged and/or the calculator is ready. I checked the faq for the program and the answer to this problem was to Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx). Can anyone here walk me through the process? Thanks.
[11:26] <JordanAU> i have finally gotten the deb package installed ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb
[11:27] <JordanAU> now i have to comile it and i need the kernel source
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> is it a wifi card you are installing?
[11:27] <JordanAU> comile/compile
[11:27] <JordanAU> yes
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> why don't you get a decent wifi card
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> save yourself the bother
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> kernel compilation follow these main steps:
[11:27] <JordanAU> i already have toe wifi card
[11:27] <JordanAU> toe/the
[11:27] <waseem> can anyone here help emw tih the problem?
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> 1) tar zxf kernel-blah.tar.gz
[11:27] <JordanAU> i have had it for a year
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> get a better one
[11:27] <JordanAU> this is a new install
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 2) make menuconfig
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 3) make
[11:28] <JordanAU> is linksys not good?
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 4) make modules
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 5) make bzImage
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 6) make install
[11:28] <chlunde> Is there a problem with launchpad/registration?  I'm not getting an email.
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> make sure you do the right stuff in menuconfig or you will be right back at the beginning.
[11:28] <zenrox> JordanAU,  read the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki and look for kernel how to
[11:29] <wasabi_> Does warty x86 support installing over a serial cable?
[11:29] <phosphorgreen> There is nothing seriously wrong with your card, your chipset is not natively supported, thats why you have to use ndiswrapper
[11:29] <phosphorgreen> it would be a lot nicer if you got something like a Cisco Aironet 350 or even a Prism 2 based card.
[11:30] <phosphorgreen> if you get one of those, you can pop it in and hey presto, it just works.
[11:30] <phosphorgreen> no compiling
[11:30] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out installing the ati-drivers. I wen to there website and used alien to install the rpm but i am getting an error nwo
[11:31] <plex0r_> i have..
[11:31] <plex0r_> a system that is on windows XP
[11:31] <plex0r_> and i ahve lots of files on
[11:31] <plex0r_> is there a way to dual boot ubuntu
[11:31] <plex0r_> without deleting
[11:31] <wasabi_> Does warty x86 support installing over a serial cable? I want to try it. ;)
[11:31] <wasabi_> plex0r_, resize the winxp partition or get a second hd
[11:31] <horay_tester> thanks
[11:32] <horay_tester> apokryphos: thanks
[11:32] <plex0r_> ok ty
[11:32] <plex0r_> how much will i need for ubuntu
[11:32] <farruinn> Hell-Razor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ought to help
[11:32] <wasabi_> few gigs.
[11:32] <plex0r_> GB
[11:32] <JordanAU> phosphorgreen: thank you i will be trying that shorty
[11:32] <wasabi_> you'll want more though
[11:32] <plex0r_> say 10?
[11:32] <wasabi_> 10 is enough.
[11:32] <plex0r_> ok...and ill format that in linux
[11:32] <mdke> who knows something about mp3 encoding? is it necessary to install gstreamer-lame, or is the package "lame" sufficient for this purpose?
[11:33] <plex0r_> then i gotta make a linux swap?
[11:33] <Hell-Razor> farruinn: ty
[11:33] <error_29> In gnome, is there a quick way to shutdown metacity, and start up another window manager, without logging out?  and how do I get another window manager to run as default under gnome in warty?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: killall metacity; other_wm &
[11:34] <mjr> "lame" is sufficient, but you may need gstreamer-lame for programs that use gstreamer for encoding
[11:34] <djp> mdke: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:34] <tjs> How can I get the installer to prompt for drivers from another cd?
[11:34] <Xira-> Okay guys
[11:34] <horay_tester> bye
[11:34] <Xira-> I installed it, everything went fine, including grub
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: for what?
[11:34] <mdke> mjr, thank you. Do you know which programs use gstreamer for encoding?
[11:34] <mjr> error_29, you need to set metacity as a non-respawning process from session properties before doing what HrdwrBoB suggested, to have it working reliably
[11:35] <Xira-> But when it says it's starting Gnome or X or whatever
[11:35] <error_29> thanks, HrdwrBoB,... is that "&" part of a command?
[11:35] <Xira-> My screen just turns off
[11:35] <mjr> mdke, no
[11:35] <Xira-> Can someone help me?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: yep, that will send the other_wm into the background
[11:35] <mdke> mjr, ok thanks for your help anyway
[11:35] <mjr> mdke, just install the gstreamer package anyway :)
[11:35] <djp> Xira: what is the problem?
[11:35] <farruinn> error_29: to make it permanent use gconf
[11:35] <error_29> Thanks, folks
[11:35] <farruinn> error_29: gnome>apps>window manager>default iirc
[11:35] <Beirdo> has anyone seen snmpd zombie all the time?  I'm trying warty on an AMD64
[11:35] <Xira-> Hi, I installed Ubuntu dualbooting with XP, everything went ok, but when it trys to start Gnome my screen turns off. What can I do?
[11:36] <goldfish> Xira-: got an nvidia card?
[11:36] <mdke> mjr, i am trying to restructure the restricted formats wiki, it is a bit inconsistent so i'm trying to figure out inconsistencies. the gstreamer-lame package requires an extra repo, so maybe better to use lame if poss
[11:36] <tjs> HrdwrBoB, I have an adaptec hw SATA raid controller, on a stock intel 1u server, I configure raid 1, and the installer loads ata_piix sata raid controller drivers, but when it comes to the partitioning bit of the installer, I see sda and sdb
[11:36] <Xira-> goldfish: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb
[11:36] <goldfish> ah right
[11:36] <goldfish> u might need to get ati drivers
[11:36] <Xira-> I was told that it would at least support 2d
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: it's not really raid
[11:36] <djp> Xira-: sorry, i know nothing about dual boots, i use a ubuntu only system. maybe somebody else here will give you hand...
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: you'd be better off using software raid TBH
[11:37] <Xira-> Well the dual boot part doesn't really matter
[11:37] <tjs> oh
[11:37] <plex0r_> for ubuntu do i just need linux partition and a linux-swap partition?
[11:37] <tjs> why is it not really raid?
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> it's merely a bios front end to a software raid driver
[11:37] <saif> hello every1, just installed kubuntu, everything seems to be running fine, excpect that i can't get the network stuff, i have a dhcpo configured, and i just want to run or change the settings any1 knows where from?
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> the raid is not done in hardware
[11:37] <djp> Xira_: then why are you dual booting?
[11:37] <goldfish> plex0r_: the install cd does all the partitioning for you
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> you have to pay several hundred dollars for a real raid card
[11:38] <plex0r_> oh so its not like slack
[11:38] <plex0r_> ok..
[11:38] <Xira-> goldfish: What can I do?
[11:38] <goldfish> Xira-: one sec
[11:38] <Xira-> k
[11:38] <goldfish> i had the same problem
[11:38] <goldfish> looking for the command
[11:39] <plex0r_> now when i install this ubuntu will it over write windows?
[11:39] <saif> guys?! any1 knows how to configure the network?!?! just need to tell kubuntu to get the address automatically from the dhcp server!
[11:39] <goldfish> not if u dont want it to
[11:39] <plex0r_> my friend, goldfish, you knwo him, dazed, didnt want to and it did anyways.
[11:39] <goldfish> plex0r_: ah right
[11:39] <plex0r_> did he do something wrong?
[11:40] <goldfish> he never partitioned properly
[11:40] <goldfish> probably
[11:40] <plex0r_> ok
[11:40] <cavediver> Hmm. My Gnome was updated to 2.10 today. Is it released? I can't find any info on gnome.org
[11:40] <plex0r_> i thought linux would see nfts as a locked drive
[11:40] <goldfish> well the ubuntu disk needs empty space
[11:40] <goldfish> it creates the partition itself
[11:40] <saif> emm, yes but you might run into problems installed both of them,
[11:40] <plex0r_> so if i just read carefully and know what im doing it wont delete
[11:41] <saif> after i installed ubuntu the first time, windows wouldn't start
[11:41] <goldfish> plex0r_: is your hd partitioned?
[11:41] <goldfish> plex0r_: u want to dual boot?
[11:41] <plex0r_> no i need to set 10 gigs for ubuntu
[11:41] <plex0r_> yes i do
[11:41] <goldfish> k
[11:41] <Xira-> heh
[11:41] <goldfish> well u gotta partition it
[11:41] <plex0r_> once i set that partititon space
[11:41] <goldfish> partition the bit for windows
[11:41] <plex0r_> will i need to format it as well?
[11:41] <goldfish> leave 10g as empty space
[11:41] <plex0r_> i already got windows
[11:41] <goldfish> no
[11:42] <goldfish> well, k
[11:42] <goldfish> leave it as empty space
[11:42] <plex0r_> so i just need to set 10 gig for ubuntu
[11:42] <plex0r_> boot from disk
[11:42] <plex0r_> and done
[11:42] <goldfish> should do
[11:42] <plex0r_> ill try on laptop before i try on pc -_-
[11:42] <goldfish> select the empty space
[11:42] <plex0r_> yeah.
[11:42] <plex0r_> thank you.
[11:42] <goldfish> kk
[11:42] <Xira-> goldfish: ?
[11:43] <plex0r_> slackware so much harder :p
[11:43] <goldfish> Xira-: sorry :)
[11:43] <R0bNyc> what do you all gnome users use for iso burning ? i dont seem to find gnomebaker
[11:43] <plex0r_> gentoo even harder
[11:43] <mcphail> R0bNyc: nautilus
[11:43] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, graveman is quite good as well as gnomebaker
[11:43] <Xira-> goldfish: sorry as in i can't help you or sorry I'm being so slow? :P
[11:43] <djp> R0bNyc: cdrecord
[11:43] <saif> R0bNyc, just right click the iso, and u should have write to disc
[11:43] <goldfish> Xira-: slow
[11:44] <R0bNyc> errr
[11:44] <Xira-> k
[11:44] <wasabi_> I am getting Connection failed to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <wasabi_> is that just me?
[11:44] <R0bNyc> ISO Image Burning like gnomebaker and k3b, I havent used the others so I Dontknow if you can burn iso images
[11:44] <wasabi_> hmm. browser works fine. just apt has a problem
[11:44] <phosphorgreen> ive been having connection issues to arcive.ubuntu.com all day today
[11:44] <phosphorgreen> on and off
[11:45] <phosphorgreen> it seems fine atm as i'm apt-getting from the universe atm
[11:45] <R0bNyc> phosphorgreen, me2
[11:45] <R0bNyc> connectionissues
[11:45] <mcphail> R0bNyc: as above, just right click the .iso in the nautilus file browser
[11:45] <saif> R0bNyc, i just tried it today, right click on the iso from nautilus and u should have a "write to disc" ( on hoary donno about warty)
[11:46] <R0bNyc> saif, i dont use warty either
[11:46] <R0bNyc> my sources are having connection issues right now so I Dont know
[11:47] <saif> R0bNyc, did u try right clicking the iso image?!
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: you can press ctrl + alt + f1
[11:47] <R0bNyc> saif err not yet
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: to get a shell
[11:47] <goldfish> and login
[11:47] <wasabi_> okay us.archive.ubuntu.com does not work for me
[11:47] <saif> TRY IT!
[11:47] <Xira-> Then what do I do..?
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[11:47] <goldfish> run that
[11:47] <goldfish> think u gotta be root
[11:47] <Xira-> k
[11:47] <goldfish> and go through it
[11:47] <goldfish> it *Should* work
[11:47] <R0bNyc> saif, yea now I see write to disc but iso image burning is different
[11:48] <yokomo> what is this?
[11:48] <yokomo> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release.gpg  Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:48] <Xira-> goldfish: And I do ctrl alt f1 while its booting
[11:48] <Xira-> ?
[11:48] <goldfish> nah
[11:48] <goldfish> after it boots
[11:48] <goldfish> the screen isnt dying
[11:48] <Xira-> well it trys to start gnome while its booting
[11:48] <goldfish> the gui is just failing
[11:48] <goldfish> does the screen go black?
[11:48] <Xira-> yes, the power button on my monitor turns yellow
[11:48] <Xira-> and it turns off
[11:48] <goldfish> oh dear
[11:49] <goldfish> well, thats a different problem altogether
[11:49] <Xira-> sigh
[11:49] <Xira-> :|
[11:49] <goldfish> sorry :/
[11:49] <Xira-> Well where can I get help?
[11:49] <goldfish> Xira-: try searching ubuntuforums.com
[11:49] <goldfish> maybe
[11:50] <saif> has any1 here tried kubuntu?
[11:50] <Xira-> not a valid url
[11:50] <Xira-> :|
[11:50] <goldfish> lol
[11:50] <goldfish> .org
[11:50] <goldfish> sorry hahaha
[11:50] <goldfish> saif: #kubuntu
[11:50] <mcphail> R0bNyc: "Write to disk" should be fine. It burns the .iso on my machine without any problems
[11:50] <saif> :) goldfish thanx!
[11:50] <R0bNyc> mcphail, ah thanks
[11:50] <R0bNyc> I wish I could find gnomebaker though
[11:51] <saif> exit
[11:51] <R0bNyc> k3b I prefer to use on kde desktops not gnome desktop
[11:51] <saif> :p sorry! bye!
[11:51] <goldfish> :)
[11:51] <jenz> hi
[11:52] <djp> R0bNyc: cdrecord dev=0,?,? -v /path/to/image.iso
[11:52] <andreas> How can i cange the splash screen in Gnome?
[11:53] <R0bNyc> djp, sorry that burning via term is too geeky for me
[11:53] <jenz> i just installed ubuntu and i wonder if its a good distribution to start with. im a total newbie at linux but im pretty good at windows. is ther any good reading that you recommend?
[11:53] <R0bNyc> andreas, you from yoper?
[11:53] <andreas> ubuntu
[11:53] <goldfish> jblack: ubuntuguide.org
[11:53] <theine> R0bNyc: have you looked at graveman?
[11:53] <goldfish> jblack: sorry
[11:54] <djp> R0bNyc: X-CDRoast is a good alternative
[11:55] <R0bNyc> theine, the ubuntu servers are not working correctly so theres no way I can do anything right now
[11:55] <R0bNyc> djp, I'll try graveman and X-CDRoast then
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, they are working fine for me
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> hey in ubuntu how do you get the copute rto automaticly log into fluxbox?
[11:55] <fgx> hi guys
[11:55] <R0bNyc> LinuxJones, you prob not using hoary?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, xcdroast interface is terrible
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, yeah I am using Hoary
[11:55] <goldfish> Hell-Razor: when u enter your usernam and pass go into Session
[11:56] <goldfish> before u log onto ubuntu
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> goldfish: thats temperary though
[11:56] <andreas> Please guys....
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> goldfish: i dont want to do taht every time
[11:56] <R0bNyc> LinuxJones, weird I am too and it wasnt working for me all of a sudden let me retry again
[11:56] <goldfish> u can make it permanent Hell-Razor
[11:56] <goldfish> it will ask you
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> really?
[11:56] <goldfish> do u want to make this default
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> didnt know that
[11:56] <andreas> Can anyone help me out? I would like a new splash screen
[11:56] <goldfish> ye
[11:57] <carthik> I have a keyboard problem - each time after I reboot/re-login, some keys dont work!
[11:57] <carthik> hod do I solve this?
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[11:57] <carthik> I I were a girl, i would flash for an answer
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[11:57] <LinuxJones> ummm
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> you see LinuxJones
[11:58] <error_29> jenz, this probably isn't what you meant by good reading -- I suppose you mean technical info on linux -- but this book helped me begin to tune into the spirit of *nix, open source and all that:  "Rebel Code" by Glyn Moody.  Great read.
[11:58] <goldfish> *SIGH*
[11:58] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, don't flood here dude :)
[11:58] <goldfish> error_29: he left :)
[11:58] <R0bNyc> sorry
[11:58] <error_29> ah well, it's still a great read!
[11:58] <StoffBox-Steve> R0bNyc, try without us.  still work test it a few sec ago ... de.  runs too
[11:58] <error_29> for noobs like me anyway
[11:59] <fgx> i'd like to upgrade php on warty. did someone do it?


[00:00] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> okay, I'm there, now wot?
[00:01] <Flannel> auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback\n\nauto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp
[00:01] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> type that? lol
[00:02] <Flannel> Chiselhuk_Plus1: Is this dialup?
[00:02] <Flannel> Or DSL
[00:02] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> DSL
[00:02] <Flannel> Chiselhuk_Plus1: so, you have to dial in?
[00:03] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> nope, always on....and would u believe AOL too! lol
[00:03] <Flannel> Alright, so we don't have to deal with ppp.  Yeah, make that the contents.
[00:03] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> This pc is connected 2 the same router....am running Gutsy here
[00:03] <Flannel> "\n"s become carriage returns (new lines)
[00:04] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> Do I delete all that's there?
[00:04] <Flannel> Just put #s in front of it, to comment it out
[00:05] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> I'm really lost, sorry.
[00:05] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> So I should put a #s in front of every line or just at the 1st line
[00:07] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> Flannel: I spent over 12 hours fighting with this thru the night, am ditching it for now, will phone a geeky Linux friend tmr!
[00:08] <Chiselhuk_Plus1> Thanks for your help, I'm ditching 'n running for now. :)


[00:39] <brousch__> You probably just copied dirs instead of symlinking all these years
[12:34] <rick_h_> morning
[12:40] <shakes808> morning
[12:48] <_stink_> yo
[14:48] <greg-g> mmhmm
[14:48] <greg-g> I watched the debate last night at a bar in DC. It wasn't as eventful as I expected it to be.
[14:48] <greg-g> the being in DC part, that is
[14:54] <cmaloney> No random Joe Biden jumping on tables?
[14:54] <cmaloney> Because that's what DC needs
[14:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh
[14:54] <rick_h_> I don't know how people can watch that stuff
[14:54] <greg-g> it made me drink too much, that's for sure
[14:55] <rick_h_> I made it 5min into debate #2 and was going to start throwing things at my TV
[14:55] <rick_h_> 90min of that full bore? I'm missing a gene for that stuff
[14:55] <greg-g> cmaloney: and yeah, a large portion of people were completely ignoring it, no big reactions in the bar or anything
[14:55] <rick_h_> heh, they'll work for whoever I guess
[14:55] <cmaloney> Sharp contrast to when we were at MichiPUG one evening and the debates were on
[14:55] <cmaloney> (2008 I think?)
[14:56] <cmaloney> Diane Marsh was all over that
[14:57] <cmaloney> Decided sitting in a coffee shop and swearing at Javascript was a better use of my time
[14:57] <rick_h_> lol
[14:57] <rick_h_> not a bad plan for sure
[14:57] <Zimdale> Swearing at javascript is always the best use of time.
[14:57] <Zimdale> fucking javascript!
[14:57] <cmaloney> Better for the blood pressure
[14:58] <cmaloney> best thing I've seen all day: use a = void 0; when you want to make sure something is undefined.
[14:58] <cmaloney> as opposed to a = undefined;
[14:58] <cmaloney> because somoene might have redefined undefined.
[14:58] <cmaloney> The last time I heard of someone redefining keywords was in Forth
[14:59] <cmaloney> and was related to me by a programmer at Ford about a system that someone wrote that he was debugging (and swearing at)
[14:59] <Zimdale> I don't think you can redefine undefined
[15:00] <Zimdale> Yeah unless you've got some funky interpreter
[15:01] <cmaloney> function foo(undefined) { undefined = 5; a = undefined; console.log(undefined); }
[15:01] <cmaloney> > foo();
[15:01] <cmaloney> 5
[15:01] <cmaloney> undefined
[15:02] <cmaloney> But yeah, you have to work a bit to be stupid.
[15:03] <Zimdale> hmm interesting
[15:03] <Zimdale> That edge case does not happen enough for me to use a [15:03] <cmaloney> bah, replace the console.log(a)
[15:03] <cmaloney> but same diff
[15:04] <cmaloney> again, you have to work at it
[15:05] <cmaloney> Almost makes me want to put: if (undefined !== void 0) { console.log("Who did this?!?"); }; at the beginning of my code.
[15:07] <Zimdale> you can't set the global undefined
[15:07] <cmaloney> right, but if your code is called from inside another function...
[15:07] <_stink_> not anymore.
[15:07] <cmaloney> ^^
[15:07] <Zimdale> I think it may work within a function because of the argument thing.
[15:07] <Zimdale> Guess it depends on your app
[15:08] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:09] <cmaloney> and it's not bad, per se, just another place where I scratch my head at some design decisions
[15:09] <cmaloney> like NaN
[17:40] <Zimdale> So did you get work cmaloney?
[17:51] <cmaloney> not yet
[17:51] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CraigMaloney/posts/77FgMi5GGAD
[17:51] <cmaloney> What I think I am: Bad-ass developer who makes cool shit.
[17:51] <cmaloney> What my resume says: I adversely contributed to the world's Excel file problem.
[17:55] <Scary_Guy> could be worse, it could say "was part of the team that made windows ME"
[17:57] <cmaloney> Not sure it's much better.
[17:58] <Scary_Guy> you'll have to tell me the story sometime.  but hey, as someone who uses libreoffice, please make excel as fucked up as possible so we can get more to switch
[17:58] <cmaloney> heh
[17:58] <cmaloney> Was more a metaphor of the gap between where I thought I would be and where I landed
[17:59] <cmaloney> There's probably a German word that encapsulates that
[18:00] <cmaloney> WELTSCHMERZ
[18:00] <cmaloney> TORSCHLUSSPANIK
[18:00] <cmaloney> God bless the Germans
[18:01] <Scary_Guy> gott mit uns :p
[18:02] <Scary_Guy> apologees to any germans, had to go for the off color joke