[12:00] <farruinn> WW: do 'dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority xserver-xfree86', afaik that will
[12:00] <apokryphos> bzbb: Use K3B.
[12:00] <Loevborg> bzbb, then you'll have to use k3b
[12:00] <zerokarmaleft> randabis, i was using several ubp packages and i dist-upgraded to hoary fine around array 3's release
[12:00] <Pugio-Other> randabis and I got that OS X theme it's great
[12:00] <bzbb> thanks
[12:00] <Pugio-Other> so, I shouldn't upgrade FF then?
[12:00] <randabis> you could just use the backport, but you'll have to remember to remove it when you upgrade to hoary
[12:00] <aroben> zerokarmaleft: gnome-panel: Depends: libecal1.2-1 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installable
[12:00] <aroben>                Depends: libedataserver1.2-0 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installable
[12:00] <Pugio-Other> ahh, ok
[12:00] <mike998> steve_:you here?
[12:00] <mpq> how do I get my computer to boot from a CD?
[12:00] <Pugio-Other> randabis and I can just remove through Synaptic like normal?
[12:01] <randabis> sure
[12:01] <mpq> I am such a noob
[12:01] <mpq> I used to think I knew everything about computers
[12:01] <mpq> but now I don't know anything
[12:01] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: What version of firefox have you got?
[12:01] <uxf> mpq: make sure bios is set to boot from your cd driv
[12:01] <uxf> e
[12:01] <farruinn> Pugio-Other: is there something specific you need in ff 1.0? the warty version is fine really
[12:01] <mpq> I'll try that
[12:01] <shock> wow! could it be? should evolution be fixed as of today? *happy*
[12:02] <Pugio-Other> farruinn well, a theme I want doesn't work in this version
[12:02] <terry> I was just gonna ask the same thing.  There was an update, but the same floiting point exception error
[12:02] <Pugio-Other> apkryphos it's 0.9.3
[12:02] <terry> shock ...^^^
[12:02] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: Are you using warty?
[12:02] <Pugio-Other> yes
[12:02] <Pugio-Other> apokryphos yes
[12:02] <aroben> zerokarmaleft: Any ideas?
[12:02] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: Why not upgrade to hoary?
[12:03] <guptan> I'm getting "could not open resource for writing" error message in Totem, when trying to play media files. What can be the error?
[12:03] <Pugio-Other> apokryphos cause this is for a total newb and I want everything to be stable
[12:03] <terry> guptan "could not open resource for writing"
[12:03] <randabis> guptan probably using totem-gstreamer instead of totem-xine
[12:03] <Pugio-Other> apokryphos people have told me that hoary still has a few issues in the context of a total newb
[12:04] <guptan> randabis, yes, I'm using gstreamer
 shock ...^^^ terry .... ^^^
[12:04] <shock> :P
[12:04] <terry> shock, I mean the statement about evolution
[12:04] <shock> terry, I know
[12:04] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: Hoary really is quite stable (despite it being in developement). I haven't had any problems with it, and I use it a lot.
[12:04] <zOap_win> Hi, i need some help with ubuntu wharty and a wireless card..
[12:04] <shock> its great
[12:04] <randabis> guptan well you'll need the plugins for it...I never could get it working right so I just use totem-xine instead
[12:04] <terry> shock I was excited to see an update, but it still doesnt work
[12:04] <shock> ?
[12:04] <shock> what error do you get
[12:04] <shock> cause mine seems to be working now
[12:04] <Pugio-Other> apokryphos ughh, well, I don't really have time to upgrade
[12:04] <terry> shock floating point exception
[12:05] <zOap_win> anyone care to help me with this?
[12:05] <randabis> Pugio-Other, just use what works :)
[12:05] <terry> shock, it works in my 32bit root, not in my 64bit root
[12:05] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: Alright. You could always update firefox manually. There's a guide on it. I'll get it, one sec.
[12:05] <guptan> randabis, it works fine for me in fedora
[12:05] <randabis> this isn't fedora
[12:05] <apokryphos> :P
 ok i only have this powerbook
[12:05] <shock> :)
[12:05] <guptan> randabis, I am not able to play mp3 files even in rhythmbox
[12:05] <zOap_win> ok, noone?
[12:05] <djk> zerokarmaleft: thanks dude
[12:05] <djk> turns out it DID change grub
[12:06] <farruinn> guptan: quite honestly, xine is better than gstreamer [in ubuntu]
[12:06] <djk> changed hda2 to hda1
[12:06] <shock> and I am REALLY happy to be able to save my appointments again
[12:06] <djk> sneaky :>
[12:06] <randabis> guptan because you don't have the right plugins
[12:06] <zerokarmaleft> djk, awesome :)
[12:06] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-mad will give you mp3 playback in rhythmbox
[12:06] <WW> farruinn: Thanks for the tip.  I'll do some more searching to make sure about it, then give it a shot.
[12:06] <zOap_win> so much for a online support? i'd get more help at whalmart..
[12:06] <zerokarmaleft> aroben, don't know what to tell you about those evo packages
[12:06] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg "should" give you video playback
[12:06] <apokryphos> Pugio-Other: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingFirefox
[12:07] <farruinn> WW: you could just backup your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and run it
[12:07] <aroben> zerokarmaleft: OK.  I think I'll try installing from the Array 4 iso.
[12:07] <randabis> Pugio-Other, just use the backport...won't hurt, just remember to remove it if you upgrade to hoary
 -- alittle more info might trigger some reaction ;)
[12:08] <shock> cause "wirelesscards" are like from I know some to I know nothing
[12:08] <zerokarmaleft> aroben, i've got 1.4.2 of libecal installed
[12:08] <shock> *shruggs*
[12:08] <WW> zOap_win: You're right. It's ridiculous that you can't get your question answered in less then three minutes.  Demand your money back!
[12:08] <zerokarmaleft> aroben, and i've been on hoary since about array 3
[12:08] <guptan> randabis, I have installed whatever gstreamer items I saw in universe
[12:08] <shock> hey! I got no complaints and I got 5 times the money back that I spent
[12:09] <aroben> zerokarmaleft: Weird.
[12:09] <zOap_win> shock, ok. i have the wharty release and just bought the smc2835W card. it's supposed to be supported under the prism54 driver but it doesnt.. it s recognised as Intersil GT... can you help me?
[12:10] <shock> *cough*
[12:10] <djk> hm
[12:10] <mpq> I can't figure out how to boot from a cd
[12:10] <djk> for some reason I can't modprobe ndiswrapper anymore..
[12:10] <shock> so what does dmesg say about that card
[12:10] <djk> gives me the FATAL: Error inserting stuff
[12:10] <terry> where is the ubuntu bugtracker
[12:10] <shock> i can only try and point to some directions as all I have ever done actually is get a wireless PCMCIA card into the university net
[12:10] <shock> :P
[12:10] <zOap_win> shock, Intersil 3890/Intersil GT
[12:11] <aulin> I was planning to install Ubuntu today, and i was wondering if it has support for the nforce3-chipsets ethernetcontroller?
[12:11] <jirwin> hello
[12:11] <mpq> I need help
[12:11] <jirwin> is there anyway to create a multivolume iso?
[12:11] <shock> and it wouldnt run on that driver?
[12:11] <uxf> mpq:did you try changin the bios
[12:11] <zOap_win> shock, but on the ubuntu webpage it said it was supported under the prism54 driver...
[12:11] <mpq> I don't know how
[12:11] <shock> maybe that changed?
[12:12] <zOap_win> shock, it runs(lights up) but nothing else
[12:12] <shock> have u checkked the forums?
[12:12] <zOap_win> shock, yes. no go
[12:12] <shock> ok - its an PCI or?
[12:12] <zOap_win> shock, pcmicia
[12:12] <mpq> I don't know how to change the bios
[12:12] <Hwolf> *grumble* I hate it if MSN is down.
[12:12] <shock> oh hmkay
[12:12] <iapx8088> Hwolf, i'm in at the moment.
[12:12] <uxf> mpq: press del or an fkey at boot
[12:12] <shock> in cardinfo its displayed as?
[12:13] <shock> and what status?
[12:13] <mpq> I'll try that
[12:13] <zOap_win> shock, you mean lspci -v? Intersil 3890/Intersil GT...
[12:13] <shock> no - "cardinfo"
[12:14] <zOap_win> shock, where to find?
[12:14] <Hwolf> iapx8088; Msn is down for most people around here. (Holland)
[12:14] <jirwin> is there any easy way with mkisofs to split a group of directories into 700MB chunks?
[12:14] <Infernal_Demon> does ubuntu bring a c compiler?
[12:14] <shock> i think its in the. ... erm... package thingy
[12:14] <apokryphos> has been having problems almost the whole of today. Msn, that is.
[12:14] <shock> maybe pcmcia-cs
[12:15] <zOap_win> shock, ok, i thought in linux.. gosh:) it's a smc2835w, pcmcia card..
[12:15] <ssam> jirwin i think tar might be able to do that, check the man page
[12:15] <jirwin> thanks
[12:16] <thechitowncubs> In this guide: http://prism54.org/phpwiki?pagename=Prism54%20Debian%20HowTo  , it says I need to compile the kernel to get the prism54 working, could anyone tell me the easiest way to do this?
[12:16] <Pugio-Other> thanks for the help guys:)
[12:16] <zOap_win> shock, the package sayssmc 2835w ez conext actually...
[12:16] <silva> what is the smb4k for debian
[12:17] <shock> hm
[12:17] <zOap_win> shock, another q, whre is the linux kernel in ubuntu? not in /usr/etc/ or /usr/libs
[12:17] <hikaru79> Are there any HOWTO's available for installing Ubuntu on a little USB drive? (I've got the 1GB variety)
[12:17] <shock> er... THE kernel is in /bott/....
[12:17] <shock> er... THE kernel is in /bo0t/....
[12:17] <shock> argh
[12:17] <shock> damn beer
[12:17] <thechitowncubs> Can anyone verify this guide (tell me if this is what I need to do to install this prism54 driver?
[12:17] <shock> boot
[12:18] <shock> and the kernel-source goes in /usr/src/
[12:18] <iapx8088> Hwolf, it has been down all the day
[12:18] <rattboi> I tried recompiling my kernel, and it kernel panics right out of the gate
[12:18] <rattboi> I followed this guide at www.desktop-linux.net
[12:18] <shock> the current config goes in /boot/config-version
[12:18] <mpq> I give up
[12:19] <iapx8088> mpq, doing what
[12:19] <thechitowncubs> Anyone?
[12:19] <zOap_win1> sorry, got disconnected..
[12:19] <mpq> the computer read the cd at startup
[12:19] <mpq> but it went and booted windows
[12:19] <mpq> it simply won't boot from the cd

[12:19] <shock> kernelcompile:
[12:19] <shock> get the sources
[12:19] <iapx8088> Hwolf, it's soo down this page was down too http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[12:19] <shock> untar the sources
[12:19] <iapx8088> mpq, did you md5 the cd iso?
[12:19] <uxf> mpq:sounds like a broken cd
[12:19] <zOap_win1> anyone can give me an easy guide to install ndiswrapper or any other sotware inwhich i can use my windows driver?
[12:19] <thechitowncubs> shock: what?
[12:19] <mpq> I don't know what that means
[12:19] <iapx8088> mpq the bios is setted correctly>?\
[12:20] <mpq> I think it is
[12:20] <iapx8088> mpq, where did you get that cd
[12:20] <Pugio-Other> ok I feel sheepish
[12:20] <shock> hold on - i think i had a kernel-compile howto somewhere
[12:20] <mpq> I burned it
[12:20] <Pugio-Other> where do I get the firefox backport again?
[12:20] <Lucien> Some, plz help me !
[12:20] <mpq> I downloaded the live cd iso off the website
[12:20] <Lucien> one*
[12:20] <Lucien> Damn.
[12:20] <mpq> but it's not working
[12:20] <Pugio-Other> Lucien what' your problem?
[12:20] <smurfd> question, anyone happen to run Horay on a Inspiron 1100? cus i tried the live release of Array 4 (i Think, or 3) where x.org only gave me a 800x600 res. where my intel card supports 1024x768. would that be a known issue, is it problem in x.org, or ubuntu, or ?!
[12:21] <shock> Kernel Compile howto ->>>> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[12:21] <shock> step by step
[12:21] <Pugio-Other> what's the link to the ubuntu backports?
[12:21] <zOap_win1> shock, was this for me?
[12:21] <Lucien> I have a problem with playing Divx movies in Totem-xine and every other general movie player. I cannot hear any sound @ Pugio-Other .
[12:21] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to do it through SSH?
[12:21] <mpq> could it have something to do with the fact that I'm on a laptop?
 shock, but on the ubuntu webpage it said it was supported under the prism54 driver...
[12:21] <uxf> mpq: no
 Can anyone verify this guide (tell me if this is what I need to do to install this prism54 driver?
[12:21] <thechitowncubs> yes...
[12:21] <shock> I guess your questions are related?
[12:21] <mpq> I'm going to see if it does it differently on my other computer
[12:22] <Pugio-Other> Lucien are you sure your sound card is even working?
[12:22] <shock> ;)
[12:22] <hikaru79> Are there any HOWTO's available for installing Ubuntu on a little USB drive? (I've got the 1GB variety)
[12:22] <Pugio-Other> Lucien ie. have you ever heard anything?
[12:22] <thechitowncubs> Shock: is it possible to compile through SSH?
[12:22] <Lucien> Jup, I am listening to music right now.
[12:22] <zOap_win1> shock, so i just follow this guide?
[12:22] <shock> yes
[12:22] <Lucien> And I can hear those awful Ubuntu sounds.
[12:22] <zOap_win1> shock, thanx:)
[12:22] <shock> hm
[12:22] <thechitowncubs> is that a yes to me?
[12:22] <jirwin> real quick, how do I make a tar of a directory?
[12:22] <shock> make shure to check the config for enableling the support for your card
[12:22] <shock> ;)
[12:22] <Pugio-Other> Lucien hmmm, then you don't hav the divx codec installed
[12:23] <Lucien> But I can actually watch the movies, just not hear the adio.
[12:23] <shock> tar -czf tar.tgz dirname
[12:23] <Lucien> audio*
[12:23] <kent> I found an easy way to crash my computer using updated Hoary. I plugin my Olympus C-310 camera with usb. It mounts, as it should since its an usb-mass-storage.  Then, if i pull the usbplug (some users might just do that), the computer freezes, and i cant do anything.
[12:23] <jirwin> shock, thanks
 <--- compiling via ssh is possible
[12:24] <djk> Lucien have you setup the movieplayer to use OSS
[12:24] <djk> or whatever
[12:24] <djk> I had to do that in mplayer before I got sound
[12:24] <djk> but xmms was fin
[12:24] <djk> e
[12:24] <shock> I have a linux router - it didnt have a monitor attached ever since the first install (4 years ago)
[12:24] <shock> *g*
[12:24] <djk> me too shock :)
[12:24] <zOap_win1> shock, well, since i dont have an internet connection on the machine im gonna update i cant do the apt-get.. any suggestions?
[12:25] <shock> urks... anyone know if the linux-kernel-sources are available on the install-cd?
[12:25] <Pugio-Other> Lucien well then the codec might not be installed orrectly
[12:25] <jirwin> i found -M for tar to create multivolumes...but how do I tell it how big of volumes I want?
[12:25] <mpq> I've come to the conclusion that it's not a boot cd at all
[12:25] <ssam> is libdvdcss2 availble of hoary on ppc?
[12:25] <Pugio-Other> uh oh
[12:25] <Pugio-Other> heeeellllp
[12:25] <mpq> I must have burned it wrong
[12:25] <Pugio-Other> I just changed my user name and now nothing works
 have you checked if the module for prism54 exists allready?
[12:25] <Lucien> Okay, I use the Hoary kernel, the rest is Warty.
[12:25] <Lucien> So, what could have gotten wrong ?
[12:25] <zOap_win1> shock, how do i do that?
[12:26] <Pugio-Other> Lucien honestly, I'm not too familiar with that area of things yet
[12:26] <shock> check the modules directory or try a couple of modprobes that sound likely
[12:26] <shock> ;)
[12:26] <Lucien> Okay, but thanks for the effort to help. :-)
[12:26] <zOap_win1> shock, like modprobe prism54?
[12:27] <shock> i.e.
[12:27] <randabis> yay, I helped fix a bug in hoary
[12:27] <shock> nice one randa
[12:27] <zOap_win1> shock, ok thanx. ill try
[12:27] <shock> u go
[12:27] <randabis> it was in the network tool in gnome-system-tools
[12:27] <shock> if all else fails: get the kernel-sources on another machine and burn it to a cd
[12:28] <randabis> if your hosts file had the wrong syntax, it would cause it to crash
[12:28] <mpq> I feel like an idiot
[12:28] <hikaru79> Are there any HOWTO's available for installing Ubuntu on a little USB drive? (I've got the 1GB variety)
[12:28] <mpq> I don't even know how to boot a cd
[12:28] <zOap_win1> shock, ok. it return nothing. so' id get the the newest kernel and then what? whats the installation procedure?
[12:29] <Pugio-Other> I have a serious problem here, which should have already been taken care of
[12:29] <Pugio-Other> I changed my user name in "Users and Groups" and now my syste is completely messed up
[12:29] <Pugio-Other> which shouldn't happen
[12:29] <shock> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm <-- its all there
[12:29] <zOap_win1> shock, thanx
[12:29] <shock> thats pretty much exactly what I do when building a kernel
[12:29] <shock> =)
[12:29] <mpq> I clearly don't have a clue how to use linux
[12:30] <mpq> do I have to burn it a special way to get it to boot from the cd?
[12:30] <Xappe> hmm, i now realise that I don't know how to install a program through cvs
[12:31] <shock> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=14 <--- found an ubuntu one
[12:31] <shock> =)

[12:31] <mpq> how do I burn a .iso file as the image?
[12:31] <zOap_win1> shock, ok. but then the question comes up again, i have no file /usr/src/linux....
[12:31] <Pugio-Other> Please someobyd why oh why does changing my user name zap my system?
[12:31] <randabis> mpq depends on program
[12:31] <mpq> all I have is the default windows software
[12:31] <shock> /usr/src/linux will be a symbolic link in /usr/src/ pointing to the current linux-kernel-source
[12:31] <rvirani> I think everyone on the Ubuntu team owes themselves a congrats, read the review on osnews.com
[12:32] <zOap_win1> shock, what language is that????
[12:32] <Pugio-Other> ok
[12:32] <shock> letz say you downloaded kernel-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[12:32] <randabis> did you get the linux-source package zOap_win1?
[12:32] <shock> then u do
[12:32] <shock> cd /usr/src
[12:32] <Pugio-Other> HOW can I open the "Users and Groups" panel from the command line?
[12:32] <shock> wait
[12:32] <zOap_win1> shock, yes. ive done that
[12:32] <zOap_win1> 2610 i mean
[12:32] <zOap_win1> randabis, yes 2.6.10
[12:33] <randabis> there should be a tarball you need to extract in /usr/src
[12:33] <kent> Pugio-Other, users-admin?
[12:33] <zOap_win1> shock. ok
[12:33] <Helios_> hey
[12:33] <randabis> tar xvjf kernelpackagename.tar.bz2
[12:33] <zOap_win1> randabis, what tarball?
[12:33] <mpq> I think I figured out how to burn an image directly from an iso
[12:34] <randabis> cd /usr/src
[12:34] <randabis> ls
[12:34] <zOap_win1> ok hang on
[12:34] <randabis> you should have a tar.bz2 file in there
[12:34] <randabis> something like linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[12:35] <Helios_> I've got a question about my laptops battery meter. there's this applet in the gnome pannel that should display its level, but it always displays 0%, even though the battery is fully charged.
[12:35] <Pugio-Other> kent THANKS
[12:35] <iapx8088> Helios_, cat /proc/acpi/battery/state or whatis
[12:36] <iapx8088> probably you are missing something acpi related
[12:36] <iapx8088> maybe you should load the module
[12:36] <Helios_> the dir /proc/acpi/battery/state doesn't excist
[12:36] <Helios_> what module should i load?
[12:37] <Pugio-Other> ok, so to ask a dumb question agin, where can I get the Firefox backport?
[12:37] <shock> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[12:37] <t31> please any advaice about a minimum boot partition?
[12:37] <randabis> I'd say 30-50 minimum
[12:37] <randabis> I make mine 100
[12:37] <randabis> mb
[12:38] <zOap_win1> shock, randabis. ok. in usr/src/ now is a folder called rpm
[12:38] <t31> hey thx
[12:38] <Helios_> can ubuntu handle RPMs?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> Helios_: yes, and at the same time a huge resounding no
[12:39] <mpq> let's see if the disc WORKS this time
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> Helios_: what do you want to install
[12:39] <randabis> in theory, but it wouldn't be a good idea
[12:40] <randabis> zOap_win1, no linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2?
[12:40] <Helios_> nothing , just curious since i thought it was a redhat feature
[12:40] <zOap_win1> randabis, no.
[12:40] <randabis> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[12:40] <Helios_> i'd rather use apt-get/synaptic or compile from source anyway
[12:40] <Pugio-Other> does ubuntu have cedega or WINE?
[12:40] <zOap_win1> randabis, i dont have a net connection.. that is my problem..
[12:40] <randabis> why are you going this anyway?
[12:41] <zOap_win1> randabis, i want my smc2835w card to work.. its wireles..
[12:41] <kent> Pugio-Other, it has wine
[12:41] <Helios_> well, cedega is commercial, so i don't suppose it ships with that
[12:41] <Pugio-Other> kent weird, synaptic doesn't see it at all
[12:41] <thechitowncubs> When I try to patch the kernel with this: sudo patch -p1 < /home/steve/patch-2.6.7-prism54-1.2
[12:41] <randabis> you need the linux-headers for your running kernel to compile a module then zOap_wini, not linux-source
[12:41] <kent> Pugio-Other, i bet you have not enabled the universe repositorie?
[12:42] <thechitowncubs> it comes up with : File to patch: (what should I put here?)
[12:42] <Pugio-Other> kent - doh!
[12:42] <randabis> Pugio-Other, it has an old version of WINE yes
[12:42] <Pugio-Other> randabis - and, to get the newer version?
[12:42] <shock> brb... i need to .... u dont want to know
[12:42] <zOap_win1> randabis, ok. so i just download that and compile it? i dont know how. never done it before..
[12:43] <mike998> is there any tool i can install on ubuntu to allow me to sniff if there are any wireless networks around?
[12:43] <Helios_> In case someone missed this: Ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to measure my laptops battery level. What should I do about it? What module whould I load?
[12:43] <randabis> you'll compile the module, not the whole kernel
[12:43] <Xappe> Pugio-Other, , there is an unofficial wine repository
[12:43] <Pugio-Other> Xappe - do tell
[12:43] <Helios_> mike998: you can use 'iwlist wlan0 scan'
[12:43] <randabis> mike998, I think it's already installed iwlist
[12:43] <zOap_win1> randabis. so i download the linux-headers from debian, and then what? what to type?
[12:44] <mike998> no scan results... strange i know there are at least 3 networks in range
[12:44] <randabis> you're using debian?
[12:44] <Pugio-Other> Xappe where is this repository?
[12:44] <thechitowncubs> Anyone know?
[12:44] <Helios_> Mike998: are there correct drivers installed for the card? Took me quite some effort to get mine working
[12:44] <zOap_win1> randabis, ubuntu whart
[12:44] <Xappe> hmm, wait, i'll check my sources.list
[12:44] <rvirani> ubuntu ownz
[12:44] <rvirani> :D
[12:44] <randabis> zOap_win1, then why would you get it from debian?
[12:44] <surrounder> juhjuh!
[12:45] <zOap_win1> randabis, ubuntu is debian based?
[12:45] <randabis> yes, but it doesn't use the same repositories
[12:45] <Helios_> Mike998 you can check with 'ifconfig -a' to see if it shows up there
[12:45] <silva> how i install this GNU autoconf + automake
[12:45] <zOap_win1> randabis. ok then igo to ubuntulinux an download the linux-headers right? and then what? how to compile it?
[12:46] <Xappe> Pugio-Other, deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ binary/
[12:46] <farruinn> silva: apt-get install or synaptic is your friend
[12:46] <randabis> you'll need to get the linux headers, put them into /usr/src, then follow the directions for compiling the module you need
[12:46] <Xappe> Pugio-Other, deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ source/
[12:46] <randabis> you'll need the source for the module you want to compile
[12:47] <zOap_win1> randabis. but where is the description? where to find it?
[12:47] <mike998> Helios_:pardon me, I stepped away...
[12:47] <Pugio-Other> Xappe - so in synaptic I would put in those links? do I put anything into the "secitons" field?
[12:47] <Helios_> np
[12:47] <mike998> Helios_: ndiswrapper -l shows the correct driver installed... but it's a 802.11g driver and I *think* this card can do b/g
[12:48] <Pugio-Other> Xappe sorry, I'm new to debian
[12:48] <Helios_> does it say driver installed / hardware present?
[12:48] <mike998> yep
[12:48] <Xappe> Pugio-Other, add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list ( sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list )
[12:48] <mike998> had to install hoary to get the thing to work
[12:49] <Helios_> then it should work
[12:49] <Helios_> hoarry?
[12:49] <Helios_> ( -r )
[12:49] <zOap_win1> shock. i wonder if it isnt more easy to install ndiswrapper and install the windows driver... but i cant install that either.. if you  could just get me a workthrough i'd apresiate it..
[12:49] <mike998> yeah... i had to install hoary for it to work
[12:49] <zOap_win1> soory, randabis. i mean..
[12:50] <Helios_> Mike998: Can you tell me what Hoary is? I'm getting some trouble with my WLAN card lately
[12:50] <mike998> can you hang on a bit - baby is crying
[12:50] <looksaus> Helios_, hoary is the devel version of ubuntu
[12:50] <randabis> zOap_win1, find the correct linux-headers for your running kernel here
[12:50] <randabis> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[12:50] <mpq> okay, I have a different problem now
[12:50] <Helios_> sure
[12:50] <zOap_win1> randabis. ok
[12:50] <randabis> you should also get linux-restricted-modules for your kernel also
 hm... a complete walkthough through what exactly
[12:51] <mpq> the CD works, but I can't get on the internet while I'm in ubuntu
[12:51] <shock> the kernel thing is explained in detail in that howto
[12:51] <Pugio-Other> Xappe - ok I know this is dumb
[12:51] <randabis> the module might already be in restricted modules
[12:51] <Pugio-Other> Xappe but I must have entered these wrong
[12:51] <mpq> I don't know how to get on the internet while I'm on linux
[12:51] <Pugio-Other> Xappe I have "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ binary/"
[12:51] <Pugio-Other> as one line
[12:52] <Xappe> and so it should be
[12:52] <farruinn> does linux kernel work w/ OS X's "unix filesystem"?
[12:52] <mpq> I don't know how to get on the internet in ubuntu
[12:52] <mpq> can anyone help?
[12:52] <Pugio-Other> farruinn I think you can compile support for it
[12:52] <randabis> farruinn, doubt it
[12:52] <looksaus> mpq, it would be useful if you're more specific
[12:52] <Pugio-Other> randabis I remember it being there
[12:52] <zOap_win1> randabis, you have lost me ages ago, i dont know what headers to get... cant you just give me a walkthrough on how installing ndiswrapper?
[12:52] <randabis> since OSX's kernel is closer to bsd
[12:52] <mpq> I don't know how to connect to the internet
[12:52] <looksaus> farruinn, I think there is at least some hfs+ support, yes
[12:52] <mpq> I have a wireless cable router
[12:52] <mpq> I don't know how to set it up in ubuntu
[12:52] <farruinn> looksaus: true
 the module might already be in restricted modules <-- thats what i just figuered
[12:52] <shock> :P
[12:53] <mpq> when I'm on windows it connects at startup
[12:53] <mpq> but I don't know how to set up the connection
[12:53] <randabis> oh, I misunderstood faruinn's question
[12:53] <looksaus> mpq, have you got the possibility to use a wired connection to get started?
[12:53] <Xappe> Pugio-Other, what does it say when you do the apt-get update?
[12:53] <mpq> yeah
[12:53] <randabis> I though he meant is there support for the linux kernel in osx lol
[12:53] <looksaus> that would be a lot easier
[12:53] <daaku> i'm trying to figure out how to get gnome's keyboard shortcuts to see Super_L as a modifier instead of a regular key?
[12:54] <farruinn> randabis: hahah
[12:54] <speel> hey sup .. i have a question is it possible to make a mp3 cd with nautalis like to listen to it in your cd player???
[12:54] <looksaus> maybe you should try to get a wired connection running
[12:54] <farruinn> randabis: that'd just be silly! ;)
[12:54] <randabis> hehe
[12:54] <looksaus> so you can troubleshoot your wireless from within ubuntu
[12:54] <randabis> but yeah, there is some HFS+ support
[12:54] <Xappe> speel, i would try graveman for that
[12:55] <speel> graveman?
[12:55] <Xappe> speel, cd burning app
[12:55] <randabis> zOap_win1, what wireless chipset do you have?
[12:55] <Chazzle> Hello?
[12:55] <randabis> hi
[12:55] <speel> ah ok damn but nautalis does not do it for you?
[12:55] <Xappe> speel, if you want to create an audio cd from mp3
[12:55] <Chazzle> I am looking to install ubuntu this eve.
[12:56] <randabis> good luck
[12:56] <Chazzle> I am relatively new....
[12:56] <Xappe> speel, then I don't think so
[12:56] <randabis> it's pretty easy
[12:56] <speel> hmm ok thanks il probably just install k3b
[12:56] <Chazzle> I have the iso disc.
[12:56] <randabis> okay
[12:56] <Chazzle> when I insert the disc, what do I need to do.
[12:56] <Chazzle> ?
[12:56] <looksaus> Chazzle, boot the computer
[12:56] <randabis> you'll need to set your BIOS to boot from CD
[12:57] <Chazzle> I know that I need to set the BIOS to CD-ROM
[12:57] <thechitowncubs> Ok, I have a problem when trying to run make xconfig, this is what it gives me...   HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
[12:57] <thechitowncubs> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[12:57] <thechitowncubs> make[1] : *** [scripts/basic/fixdep]  Error 127
[12:57] <thechitowncubs> make: *** [scripts_basic]  Error 2
[12:57] <looksaus> with the... randabis was faster
[12:57] <Xappe> speel, give graveman a try first. think it's in the hoary repos at least (but i'm not sure if warty has it)
[12:57] <randabis> okay
[12:57] <Chazzle> Right...how do I do that .
[12:57] <farruinn> randabis: yeah, some hfs+ - some directories show up as files :D, but I'll deal with that later
[12:57] <thechitowncubs> This is my first time compiling it
[12:57] <Helios_> Anyone know what a good Wiki server would be?
[12:57] <speel> ok thanks
[12:57] <randabis> Chazzle, depends on your BIOS...do you know how to get into it?
[12:57] <WW> farruin: Coming to you from my newly installed monitor... thanks again.
[12:57] <Chazzle> randabis...nope.
[12:58] <terry> I am trying to get wine working in a 32bit chroot and it doesnt want to work
[12:58] <randabis> usually you hit the delete key when the computer starts up, could be F1 or F2 also
[12:58] <looksaus> in 99% of cases, pressing F1 or Del at startup
[12:58] <Chazzle> It is an old machine that was donated to me, and it has Xp
[12:58] <terry> when I try to run wine, I get this error /usr/bin/wine: line 471: 11338 Segmentation fault      $WINEBIN/$WINE_BIN_NAME "$@"
[12:58] <terry> anyone get this problem, and find a resolution for this??
[12:58] <VAXenB1tch> Hello and good day everybody
[12:58] <randabis> do you want to keep XP on it with ubuntu?
[12:58] <terry> my chroot is hoary, and my normal system is hoary
[12:58] <Chazzle> I thank you for this.
[12:58] <VAXenB1tch> is there a channel in this network for VAX/OpenVMS users?
[12:58] <Chazzle> randabis.
[12:59] <VAXenB1tch> :)
[12:59] <randabis> that's my name.
[12:59] <Chazzle> So, if I hit f1 or Del @ startup, I am ready to go?  I was thanking you randabis. :)
[01:00] <looksaus> Chazzle, then you'll probably get into the bios
[01:00] <Chazzle> Allright, looksaus, thank you.
[01:00] <looksaus> where there will be an option called "boot order" or something
[01:00] <Chazzle> k.
[01:00] <looksaus> look at your startup screen, the exact key will probably be mentioned
[01:01] <Chazzle> this is really exciting for me, as I love the idea behind this project.
[01:01] <looksaus> :)
[01:01] <Chazzle> K.
[01:01] <Chazzle> I can't wait to get home!
[01:02] <Helios_> i gtg
[01:02] <Helios_> bye
[01:02] <randabis> Chazzle, yes, you'll need to find something that mentions your boot order in the BIOS. You'll need to change the first boot device to CDROM
[01:03] <Chazzle> Great,
[01:03] <Chazzle> so, make the boot device CDROM, then that will kick it
[01:03] <randabis> then you'll need to save the changes, and exit
[01:04] <Chazzle> thanks randabis and looksaus..
[01:04] <randabis> more than likely your first boot device is currently the cdrom
[01:04] <randabis> err
[01:04] <randabis> floppy
[01:04] <Chazzle> right.
[01:04] <Chazzle> probably so.
[01:04] <Chazzle> it is a bit of an old thing.
[01:04] <randabis> so you can just change it, do your install, and if you want change it back
[01:05] <randabis> are you going to wipe xp from it? :)
[01:05] <Chazzle> YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS  ;)
[01:05] <randabis> thank god :p
[01:05] <looksaus> :)
[01:05] <randabis> it should be called fisher price OS
[01:05] <Chazzle> I am looking to fix up machines and donate to teen centers around my city.
[01:05] <Chazzle> no doubt randabis.
[01:06] <looksaus> nice idea, Chazzle
[01:06] <randabis> the default theme is ridiculous haha
[01:06] <Chazzle> thanks man.
[01:06] <Chazzle> I know.
[01:06] <looksaus> if you get to explore Linux further, you should really look at things like LTSP then
[01:06] <Chazzle> I am also a mac user, and was appalled at how terribly they copied OS X with XP
[01:06] <Chazzle> LTSP...do tell
[01:07] <thechitowncubs> Please help me
[01:07] <looksaus> recycling old computers as terminals on a central server
[01:07] <looksaus> http://www.ltsp.org
[01:07] <Chazzle> wow...that is a great idea!
[01:07] <looksaus> (will take you some time though, if you're new to Linux)
[01:08] <Chazzle> I will definitely check it out.
[01:08] <Chazzle> thanks...
[01:08] <Telep> all the computers for students at our department use ltsp
[01:08] <Anubis> so mplayer isdead for hoarty?
[01:08] <Telep> well, almost all
[01:09] <looksaus> Telep, I just installed a 30 machine LTSP lab at my former primary school
[01:09] <Telep> :)
[01:09] <Chazzle> That sounds really cool.
[01:09] <Telep> well, we're a CS department :D
[01:10] <looksaus> Telep, me no IT man, me musician
[01:10] <mike998> Helios_:
[01:10] <mike998> Helios_: I am back... sorry about that
[01:10] <Telep> they've provided access to Windows apps using remote desktop and vmware :)
[01:10] <Chazzle> Looksaus,
[01:10] <Chazzle> something else that interests me is music.
[01:11] <looksaus> yes?
[01:11] <Chazzle> are there some good linux music editors out there?
[01:11] <Chazzle> like samplers,
[01:11] <Chazzle> beat machines,
[01:11] <Chazzle> recorders?
[01:11] <looksaus> hm, there's a nice HD recording thing called ardour
[01:11] <Krypt0n> Ooh, good question.. beat machines would be a cool thing to have.
[01:11] <looksaus> (http://www.ardour.org)
[01:11] <uxf> Chazzle: I belive I saw something once on sourgefourge... counldnt tell you what though
[01:11] <Chazzle> cool.
[01:11] <randabis> Chazzle, audacity is good too
[01:11] <looksaus> if you're into music notation, and you're not afraid of a very steep learning curve
[01:12] <Krypt0n> How about something like Fruity Loops? (FLStudio)
[01:12] <looksaus> you might want to check out Lilypond (http://lilypond.org)
[01:12] <Chazzle> Man!
[01:12] <Chazzle> I came to the right place!
[01:12] <randabis> Krypt0n, probably ardour sould be similar
[01:12] <Chazzle> Thanks.
[01:12] <looksaus> VERY good quality output, but difficult to learn
[01:12] <Krypt0n> randabis: Awesome, thanks :)
[01:12] <silva> checking for working aclocal... missing
[01:12] <looksaus> some output examples are at http://www.mutopiaproject.org
[01:12] <silva> im trying instal a prog
[01:12] <Chazzle> I am sooo new to all of this that I don't even know how to save/print this dialogue we have had.
[01:12] <Chazzle> Help?
[01:13] <silva> what i do for install
[01:13] <randabis> silva, you need automake, and autoconf I think
[01:13] <silva> checking for working aclocal... missing
[01:13] <looksaus> silva, what are you trying to install?
[01:13] <silva> so waht i do for install that ones
[01:13] <randabis> sudo apt-get install autoconf automake1.0
[01:13] <randabis> sudo apt-get install autoconf automake1.9
[01:13] <randabis> sorry
[01:13] <silva> i try use the synaptic
[01:14] <randabis> they are in synaptic also
[01:14] <looksaus> damn, I had gotten used to compiling compact monolithic kernels
[01:14] <mpq> okay, I'm on ubuntu now
[01:14] <mpq> but I have no idea what I'm doing
[01:14] <looksaus> building the entire tree, even for one arch is a huge work!
[01:15] <aurax> hello again
[01:15] <zOap_win> i nerandabis, when i try to install ndiswrapper i get error: cant find kernel sources in /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3/build
[01:15] <looksaus> mpq, this is a small success already, right?
[01:15] <mpq> yes
[01:15] <zOap_win> randabis, look up
[01:15] <looksaus> mpq, wired connection?
[01:15] <mpq> yeah
[01:15] <mpq> ubuntu doesn't seem to support the wireless
[01:16] <looksaus> what kind of wireless is it? pci? usb? pcmcia?
[01:16] <mpq> uhh... I'm not sure
[01:16] <looksaus> (desktop card, usb stick, laptop expansion card)
[01:16] <mpq> I'm on a laptop
[01:16] <Krypt0n> is it built in?
[01:16] <mpq> I think so
[01:16] <Krypt0n> might be minipci
[01:17] <looksaus> Krypt0n, won't he be able to see more info with lspci or some frontend to that?
[01:17] <zOap_win> looksaus, maybe you can help me. when itry to install ndiswrapper i get this error: cant find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.1-3/build... what do i need to do?
[01:17] <mpq> there's a light on the front that's on when the wireless is on
[01:17] <mpq> and a button
[01:17] <Krypt0n> looksaus: Possibly, I'm a bit of a n00b myself actually, but I assume so :)
[01:18] <mpq> the card won't turn on in ubuntu
[01:18] <mpq> so I'm stuck on a wired connection
[01:18] <mpq> until I figure this out
[01:18] <looksaus> zOap_win, not much experience with ndiswrapper, but that kernel version looks strange to me
[01:18] <Krypt0n> What model laptop is it?
[01:18] <mpq> hp pavilion
[01:18] <zOap_win> looksaus, ubuntu wharty...
[01:18] <Krypt0n> got a specific model number?
[01:18] <mpq> ze4900
[01:19] <zOap_win> looksaus, its <IP_ADDRESS>-3...
[01:19] <looksaus> mpq, open a terminal and use lspci -vv
[01:19] <looksaus> ah, k
[01:19] <zOap_win> looksaus, do i need to add something somewhre..?
[01:19] <looksaus> mpq, you might want to do that as root
[01:19] <djk> zOap_win
[01:19] <djk> install linux-headers
[01:19] <Krypt0n> mpq: http://www.geocities.com/clsdaniel/ze4900.html
[01:19] <Krypt0n> Try that :)
[01:19] <djk> for your kernel
[01:20] <djk> that'll fix it
[01:20] <looksaus> I have no experience using ndiswrappers, but I ... djk was faster than me
[01:20] <zOap_win> djk, ok. but i dont have a internet connection on that machine...
[01:20] <djk> well uh
[01:20] <djk> do you have a cd writer?
[01:20] <djk> in your PC?
[01:20] <zOap_win> yes, but i dont know what headers to isntall
[01:20] <looksaus> mpq, what does lspci say?
[01:20] <djk> <IP_ADDRESS>-3 is your kernel?
[01:20] <mpq> hang on
[01:20] <djk> if so, download the headers for that
[01:20] <zOap_win> djk, yes
[01:21] <zOap_win> djk, where do i find it?
[01:21] <mpq> I'm still new to opening windows
[01:21] <djk> wait
[01:21] <zOap_win> and how do i install it?
[01:21] <Chazzle> youse are all busy...thank you again for the tremendous amount of help.
[01:21] <Chazzle> I am out.
[01:21] <looksaus> Chazzle, see you!
[01:22] <Chazzle> I WILL BE BACK!
[01:22] <looksaus> :)-
[01:22] <mpq> different question: is there a way to run .exe files in linux?
[01:22] <mpq> it's kind of annoying that I can't use any of my programs right now
[01:22] <zOap_win> mpq, wine
[01:22] <mpq> where do I get that?
[01:23] <zOap_win> apt-get install wine
[01:23] <looksaus> mpq, there are really good functional equivalents for about everything
[01:23] <housetier> if they are .net binaries, mono might be able to execute .exe files
[01:23] <looksaus> you really want to try these out first
[01:23] <mpq> ...
[01:23] <mpq> I am so in over my head
[01:23] <looksaus> native programs are always a LOT better integrated
[01:24] <looksaus> mpq, is there anything in particular you miss?
[01:24] <silva> Format: 1.0
[01:24] <silva> Source: automake1.9
[01:24] <silva> Version: 1.9.4-1
[01:24] <mpq> I'll think of something
[01:24] <silva>  sudo apt-get install automake1.9
[01:24] <mpq> I have a japanese dictionary
[01:24] <silva> and
[01:24] <mpq> and a lot of games
[01:25] <silva> : Couldn't find package automake1.9
[01:25] <looksaus> ok, the easier & older games and the dictionary might work
[01:25] <looksaus> with wine
[01:25] <mpq> where do I get it?
[01:25] <looksaus> but don't hold your breath, it's always a bit risky
[01:25] <looksaus> mpq, I'd have to look... don't use it myself
[01:25] <mpq> emulators always are
[01:26] <looksaus> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[01:26] <looksaus> mpq, google is your friend...
[01:27] <silva> can some one help me
[01:27] <WW> wine is available in the Ubuntu universe repository.
[01:27] <looksaus> oh, nice
[01:27] <WW> You can install wine with Synaptic.
[01:27] <looksaus> silva, could you please repeat what you are trying to do?
[01:27] <randabis> zOap_win, http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-headers&searchon=names&subword=1&version=warty&release=all
[01:28] <mpq> I am so confused
[01:28] <looksaus> mpq, So was Columbus when he discovered America
[01:28] <mpq> lol
[01:29] <mpq> Columbus didn't use computers
[01:29] <bitfoo> i found a sweet personal finance program today to replace ms money :D
[01:29] <Anubis> rhythmbox is dead for me in Hoarty after last update, and now xmms works again
[01:29] <looksaus> ... but he did think he was in India...
[01:29] <moquist> bitfoo: what program?
[01:29] <bitfoo> moneydance
[01:29] <mpq> I don't even know how to partition
[01:30] <bitfoo> its way better than gnucash  imho
[01:30] <looksaus> mpq, you did install ubuntu, right? so you did partition...
[01:30] <mpq> I'm running a live cd
[01:30] <looksaus> oh...
[01:30] <mpq> I wanted to try it out before installing
[01:31] <looksaus> good idea
[01:31] <arj> hi
[01:31] <shock> bitfoo?
[01:31] <mpq> I didn't want to make big changes to my computer before even trying it out
[01:31] <bitfoo> shock?
[01:31] <shock> wger did u find tat?
[01:31] <shock> where?
[01:31] <bitfoo> i forget
[01:31] <shock> lol
[01:31] <shock> narf.
[01:31] <bitfoo> but the address is www.moneydance.com
[01:32] <shock> ah ok
[01:32] <shock> thx
[01:33] <looksaus> mpq, could you execute the following command
[01:33] <looksaus> open a root terminal
[01:33] <mpq> I did that
[01:33] <mpq> what do I do?
[01:33] <looksaus> lspci -vv|grep oadcom
[01:33] <looksaus> this gives a raw hardware list
[01:33] <looksaus> and looks through it for the string "oadcom"
[01:34] <mpq> 0000:02:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[01:34] <looksaus> ok, that's your wireless, now we're sure
[01:34] <mpq> how do I turn it on?
 -- is the linux-version any good? qt? gtk+?
[01:34] <shock> it the trial interesting?
[01:34] <mpq> when I'm in windows I can just press a button on the front
[01:34] <looksaus> mpq, the problem with this wireless thing is you'll have to fiddle a little
[01:35] <mpq> the button doesn't do anything now
[01:35] <looksaus> broadcom is famous for not releasing even the most basic info on their wireless chips
[01:35] <mpq> thanks, I already knew my laptop sucked
[01:35] <looksaus> not all is lost, though
[01:35] <looksaus> there is ndiswrapper
[01:36] <looksaus> but I have little experience with that
[01:36] <arj> does ubuntu work with USB modem?
[01:36] <looksaus> mpq, it will probably be difficult to get that one to work from a live CD
[01:36] <looksaus> I could be wrong though
[01:36] <shock> is there a gtk+ gui vor vlc ?
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:36] <looksaus> arj, depends...
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> it's terrible
[01:36] <mpq> yeah, probably
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> but yes
[01:37] <arj> i tried mandrake 9.2 last year
[01:37] <mpq> I'm going to install it later
[01:37] <arj> but it didnt' work with mine
[01:37] <mpq> I just wanted to see it and try it out
[01:37] <bitfoo> yeah try the trial shock
[01:37] <randabis> jdub, are you around?
[01:37] <looksaus> mpq, it certainly is possible and not too difficult from a HD install though
[01:37] <mpq> which was why I was using the live cd
[01:37] <bitfoo> shock:http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Financial/
[01:37] <bitfoo> i find more :O
[01:37] <looksaus> arj, DSL modem? POTS modem?
[01:38] <arj> dsl
[01:38] <mpq> different problem: the mouse is too sensitive
[01:38] <arj> ipm datacom
[01:38] <jdub> randabis: yes
[01:38] <shock> thx bitfoo
[01:38] <randabis> ah
[01:38] <randabis> okay
[01:38] <mpq> when I move the mouse a tiny bit the cursor goes too fast
[01:38] <looksaus> arj, do yourself a favour and buy an ethernet model
[01:38] <randabis> in hoary, boot-admin seems to be missing
[01:38] <arj> I'd like
[01:38] <mpq> how do I change the sensitivity in ubuntu?
[01:38] <randabis> I think it was a part of gnome-system-tools
[01:38] <looksaus> will be a lot easier, no matter what platform
[01:38] <arj> to make wireless LAn
[01:38] <randabis> it was the app that let you edit menu.lst in a graphical menu
[01:39] <arj> but I'd start to work onlinux by now
[01:39] <arj> and without internet connection there's very few things i can do
[01:40] <randabis> what I was wondering is, if this app would return
[01:40] <randabis> or if it was renamed
[01:41] <randabis> there's no icon for it to be found if it still exists, and I can't find it in /usr/bin either
[01:42] <arj> anyway
[01:42] <shock> urks.. i hope there is a jre comming with it
[01:42] <arj> thanks for the efforts
[01:42] <arj> bye
[01:43] <bitfoo> i'd like to ask a non-ubuntu question...
[01:43] <bitfoo> where can i buy a small table?
[01:43] <bitfoo> :|
[01:43] <shock> IKEA?
[01:43] <mpq> I just realized I'd have to reinstall all my firefox extensions
[01:43] <bitfoo> ikea is super far :(
[01:44] <looksaus> mpq, you mean if starting ubuntu from the live CD?
[01:44] <randabis> you get all that jdub? I can file a bug if need be
 desktop->preferences->mouse ?
[01:44] <mpq> I had firefox in windows
[01:44] <mpq> the windows version of firefox doesn't work in linux
[01:44] <shock> i use epiphany and im happy with that browser :P
[01:45] <bitfoo> you know the firefox extensions work in linux too right?
[01:46] <mpq> it was more all my bookmarks
[01:46] <mpq> will it import my settings from the windows version?
[01:46] <bitfoo> just export them
[01:46] <bitfoo> and save them on a disk or on the web and then import them :|
[01:49] <shock> damn... how do i tell vlc to use the gtk interface?
[01:49] <netdur> (00:47:05) j*****i: I mean life is fucked up, I'm not able to download my ubuntu wallpaper for my nokia phone!
[01:49] <bitfoo> the poop brown wallpaper?
[01:49] <netdur> what I should tell him?
[01:50] <netdur> kinda I'm doing ubuntu support over IM
[01:50] <looksaus> :)
[01:50] <randabis> he LIKES the poopy paper?
[01:50] <randabis> haha
[01:51] <looksaus> if not, he could always use GIMP to make another wallpaper
[01:51] <looksaus> oh, no, wait, GIMP's for toilet paper...
[01:51] <netdur> LOL
[01:52] <liquid_> hi
[01:52] <liquid_> how can I change the screen refreshrate in X?
[01:53] <looksaus> liquid_, zo in het gat van de nacht kom jij achter verversingsfrequentie vragen :p
[01:53] <liquid_> I can't using some xtool .. I know my CRT monitor allows more the 85Hz @ 1280 x 1024
[01:53] <aurax> i have a question, is there a way to image my system to a with a cdrw/dvdrw and duplicate my system to other boxes from it like with some kind of executed boot
[01:53] <liquid_> hello looksaus
[01:53] <liquid_> =)
[01:53] <aurax> like install the copy from the cd to the harddrive
[01:53] <liquid_> yeah in the middle of the night :/
[01:53] <aurax> installer*
[01:53] <looksaus> liquid_, Desktop -> Administration -> Screen resolution
[01:54] <looksaus> oh, hm, I'm on hoary, so maybe somewhere else in the menus
[01:54] <liquid_> looksaus, well I figured that part out except that I can't go higher then 60Hz @ 1280 x 1028
[01:54] <liquid_> My eyes start to hurt and tears all over the place
[01:55] <looksaus> liquid_, you could go into your config file manually
[01:55] <randabis> Computer-->System Configuration-->Screen resolution I think for warty
[01:55] <mpq> how do I access a USB flash drive?
[01:55] <looksaus> mpq, plug it in?
[01:55] <mpq> I did
[01:55] <mpq> it didn't recognize it or something
[01:56] <liquid_> randabis yes I did that and that's what I told looksaus.. but what about the confige file? you mean the configfile /etc/X11/XF86... ? sorry I'm new to X never used X before always console
[01:56] <repete> mpq: `sudo tail -f /var/log/messages`
[01:56] <looksaus> liquid_, warty uses Xfree, right? or Xorg?
[01:56] <repete> mpq: see what the kernel says
[01:56] <looksaus> mpq, or tail dmesg
[01:56] <liquid_> looksaus, as far as I know it's XFree86
[01:57] <liquid_> hey shouldn't he be mounting the flash device?
[01:57] <looksaus> /etc/X11/XF86Config , then?
[01:57] <liquid_> n/m I'm console junkie :P
[01:57] <randabis> liquid_, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:57] <mpq> liquid, how do I do that?
[01:57] <looksaus> sorry liquid
[01:57] <repete> in hoary it is taken care of by hal/dbus
[01:57] <randabis> but you need to know what to edit
[01:57] <looksaus> mpq, open a terminal and type that
[01:57] <sycat> Hello, any network gurus in here ?
[01:57] <mpq> it says there's no directory
[01:58] <aurax> damn why every app on gnome asking for root password even when i logged in as root
[01:58] <randabis> uh, you logged in as root?
[01:58] <aurax> yeh
[01:58] <randabis> WHY?
[01:58] <repete> mpq: you can try `sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbkey` provided /mnt/usbkey exists
[01:58] <aurax> cuz im root
[01:58] <looksaus> oh, sorry... distracted
[01:58] <aurax> no?
[01:58] <aurax> lol
[01:58] <aurax> doesnt matter
[01:58] <aurax> i have this issue with gnome on ubuntu
[01:58] <mpq> it doesn't exist
[01:59] <randabis> you know you're really risking the bank going on the net as root...
[01:59] <repete> mpq: which doesn't exist?
[01:59] <mpq> the mount
[01:59] <aurax> even when im logged in as my user it asks for passwords and dont load
[01:59] <aurax> dont load i mean for certein application
[01:59] <liquid_> okay I'm editting the config file but how do I know the horizontal and vertical refreshrate? I just want 85Hz @ 1280 x 1024
[01:59] <randabis> probably because it wants your user password not root's password
[01:59] <aurax> its the same
[02:00] <repete> mpq: if /mnt/usbkey doesn't exist use `sudo mkdir -p /mnt/usbkey`
[02:00] <randabis> root shouldn't even be enabled in the first place...not reason for him to be
[02:00] <mebaran151> identify ginger
[02:00] <mebaran151> sorry
[02:00] <mebaran151> whoopsees
[02:00] <mebaran151> heheh
[02:00] <repete> mpq: if /dev/sda1 doesn't exist that means the kernel is using some other device
[02:00] <mebaran151> now I need to change my passwd
[02:00] <mebaran151> damn
[02:00] <liquid_> hi this is in the config file:
[02:00] <mebaran151> I hate Nickserv
[02:00] <mebaran151> ok
[02:00] <liquid_>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[02:00] <liquid_>         HorizSync       30-65
[02:00] <liquid_>         VertRefresh     50-75
[02:00] <repete> mpq: in which case you need to check dmesg
[02:01] <randabis> that's what you need to change
[02:01] <randabis> you need it to match the HS and VR rates of your monitor
[02:01] <liquid_> randabis me?
[02:01] <mebaran151> at least it was just a silly nickserv password
[02:01] <randabis> yes
[02:01] <liquid_> randabis how do I find that out?
[02:01] <randabis> your monitor's documention
[02:02] <liquid_> ohw chips! I don't have those :/
[02:02] <liquid_> I'll google it
[02:02] <liquid_> thanks
[02:02] <randabis> jdub?
[02:03] <mpq> I think I'm going to try actually installing it this time
[02:03] <jdub> randabis: yes
[02:03] <randabis> you get the messages I sent about boot-admin?
[02:03] <randabis> I sent in channel, not pm
[02:03] <bascule> hello
[02:04] <liquid_> okay randabis I found it out but here they are and still very confusing
[02:04] <wk1989> Hi ppl!
[02:04] <wk1989> I need ur help with a problem
[02:04] <liquid_> Horizontal Frequency  	30 to 96kHz
[02:04] <liquid_> Vertical Frequency 	50 to 160Hz
[02:04] <wk1989> pls listen
[02:04] <liquid_> wk1989,  we can't! we can only read what you type :P
[02:04] <jdub> randabis: nick highlight helps, this is a busy channel :)
[02:04] <wk1989> I want to give 5 more gigs to my Ubuntu partition from my Windows drive
[02:05] <randabis> jdub sorry!
[02:05] <wk1989> *windows partition
[02:05] <randabis> jdub in hoary, boot-admin seems to be missing
[02:05] <bascule> wk1989: ap-get install qt-parted
[02:05] <wk1989> I'm thinking of using Partition Magic to resize the Ubuntu partition
[02:05] <bascule> wk1989: ap-get install qtparted
[02:05] <bascule> one of them
[02:05] <liquid_> wk1989, use some windows partitioning software such as partition magic and mount it in ubuntu
[02:05] <randabis> jdub I think it was a part of gnome-system-tools
[02:05] <repete> jdub: This is Pete Goodall
[02:05] <wk1989> bascule : does it resize partition though? I don't want to loose ANY data!
[02:05] <randabis> jdub it was the app that let you edit menu.lst in a graphical menu
[02:05] <repete> jdub: we met at GUADEC last year
[02:06] <bascule> wk1989: yes it does all that stuff
[02:06] <wk1989> bascule : And it keeps the DATA?
[02:06] <wk1989> thx
[02:06] <wk1989> that's wonderful!
[02:06] <liquid_> wk1989,  that's why you need to use some windows partitioning program because you might know what you're doing. Repartitioning a live partition is always dangerous
[02:06] <repete> jdub: just wondering if you would be at LWE next week
[02:06] <bascule> yes, it should, but you knowhow these things are ...
[02:06] <randabis> jdub what I was wondering is, if this app would return
[02:07] <wk1989> ok
[02:07] <liquid_> randabis did you read what I pasted? or missed it?
[02:07] <wk1989> But after I resize the Ubuntu partition, is it gonna automatically realize that change in size?
[02:07] <jdub> repete: cool
[02:07] <jdub> repete: no, won't be :)
[02:07] <liquid_> wk1989,  yeah it should :)
[02:07] <repete> bummer :-/
[02:07] <wk1989> Or do I have to do something, like to refresh it?
[02:07] <wk1989> ok
[02:07] <randabis> jdub there's no icon for it to be found and it can't be found in /usr/bin
[02:07] <jdub> repete: you may see mako there, however
[02:07] <wk1989> thx liquid!
[02:07] <liquid_> yw
[02:07] <jdub> randabis: we don't support boot-admin, didn't ship it in warty
[02:08] <repete> jdub: don't think I have met him/her before
[02:08] <randabis> jdub, well there was a program that would edit grub's config in the gnome config menu
[02:08] <randabis> it used to be there, and it's not anymore
[02:09] <randabis> it was in Desktop --> Administration I believe
[02:09] <jdub> randabis: it was available for a time in hoary before we disabled it again
[02:09] <randabis> ah
[02:09] <liquid_> uhm okay guys a simpel question: I have the specs of the Horizontal and vertical refresh rate of my monitor. but it has a range between. What must I set in the config file? the max Horizontal and max verticalrate? or should I make a choice at some resolution?
[02:09] <randabis> is there any chance of getting it back? I'm asking this for a friend
[02:09] <jdub> no, we don't support it
[02:10] <randabis> okay
[02:10] <MobyTurbo> liquid_, use a dash between the minimum and maximum, assuming that it's multisync.
[02:10] <randabis> is there something wrong with it or something? just curious
[02:10] <liquid_> thanks
[02:10] <liquid_> brb
[02:11] <jdub> randabis: yes, it tends to break, but also, it is not the right design for normal use cases
[02:12] <randabis> jdub, ah okay. thanks for letting me know so I didn't go and file a useless bug report about it :p
[02:14] <Tr0gd0r> i did apt-get install vncserver how do i run the server now?
[02:14] <randabis> why don't you just use vino? gnome's built-in vnc server?
[02:15] <Tr0gd0r> not using gnome
[02:15] <Tr0gd0r> heh
[02:15] <randabis> ah
[02:15] <randabis> well, might wanna use x11vnc instead of vncserver
[02:15] <Tr0gd0r> main problem is i have a huge box on the screen, i need to click next
[02:15] <Tr0gd0r> and the resolution is at 640
[02:15] <Tr0gd0r> so i cant see next
[02:16] <Tr0gd0r> and its connected to a tv
[02:16] <Tr0gd0r> lol
[02:16] <randabis> tab to it maybe
[02:16] <Tr0gd0r> no keyboard
[02:16] <Tr0gd0r> its really an xbox
[02:16] <Tr0gd0r> heh
[02:17] <randabis> dunno
[02:17] <mpq> I'm downloading the install cd iso now
[02:18] <Grendel|>   ~+
[02:18] <ubhuti> Grendel|: No idea
[02:18] <hybrid> if i grab the hoary iso and upgrade will it keep evrything i already got installed?
[02:19] <Grendel|> I dropped the keyboard =P
[02:19] <randabis> hybrid, you don't use an iso to upgrade an existing system
[02:19] <randabis> you use apt
[02:19] <hybrid> randabis : ok what is the argument for apt?
[02:20] <Grendel|> can sombody tell me how to fix the following?
[02:20] <randabis> hybrid http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:20] <Grendel|> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[02:20] <Grendel|> 23785: protocol negotiation failed
[02:20] <Grendel|> SMB connection failed
[02:20] <hybrid> thnx
[02:21] <Cindux> hm
[02:21] <Cindux> im new to linux & commands & just wondering
[02:21] <mpq> I know the USB drive works on linux
[02:22] <Cindux> what the command "cd" stands for ?
[02:22] <Cindux> if it has an actual meaning
[02:22] <Cindux> other than of course, compact disc
[02:22] <hybrid> change dir
[02:22] <Cindux> oh
[02:22] <Cindux> :P
[02:22] <Cindux> ty
[02:22] <hybrid> lol
[02:22] <hybrid> np
[02:22] <Cindux> yes that should have been self expl = /
[02:22] <Cindux> especially when the dir moved..
[02:22] <Cindux> cough
[02:22] <hybrid> glade i could help sum1 instead of b helped
[02:22] <Grendel|> considering what it does
[02:22] <Cindux> grendel = /
[02:23] <MobyTurbo> Cindux, "cd" is even a command in MS-DOS and the equivalent Windows window.
[02:23] <Cindux> familiar
[02:23] <Cindux> oh ic
[02:23] <Cindux> i dont like windows :
[02:23] <hybrid> can mean check dir
[02:23] <mpq> I don't like windows either
[02:23] <hybrid> lol who does?
[02:23] <MobyTurbo> me neither, and DOS has a very crippled command line.
[02:23] <Grendel|> me
[02:23] <Cindux> lol
[02:23] <Grendel|> more or less
[02:23] <Cindux> yes
[02:23] <Cindux> did you by chance
[02:23] <Cindux> go to a forum called "g2x" ?
[02:23] <Grendel|> for it's simplicity and keeping users happy
[02:24] <mpq> I don't like windows, which is why I wanted to try out linux in the first place
[02:24] <hybrid> mpq : me too
[02:24] <Cindux> = /
[02:24] <surrounder> can imagine mpq :)
[02:24] <Cindux> Linux sounds coola to :d
[02:24] <MobyTurbo> I tried out Linux kernel 0.95 when I wanted a free Unix, after having experienced a Unix shell, so I'm a bit of an old hand at this.
[02:24] <Cindux> who wants to say im running Windows
[02:24] <Cindux> when you could say im running linux
[02:24] <Cindux> :P
[02:24] <Grendel|> well..
[02:25] <hybrid> mpq : i went from me to xp to osx then ubuntu
[02:25] <Grendel|> I'm running both
[02:25] <Cindux> hm
[02:25] <Grendel|> 2k3 server, XP and Ubuntu
[02:25] <Cindux> osx = built off unix
[02:25] <Cindux> so woo!
[02:25] <Grendel|> anyway..
[02:25] <surrounder> puuh wish I had the money for an mac
[02:25] <MobyTurbo> hybrid, are you running Linux PPC?
[02:25] <hybrid> MobyTurbo : yup
[02:25] <Grendel|> I need to connect to a share on the LAN using login/password, and ubuntu won't let me
[02:25] <Cindux> lol woah
[02:26] <MobyTurbo> that's cool. :-)
[02:26] <Cindux> theirs a command called finger
[02:26] <Cindux> lol
[02:26] <Grendel|> somebody know what to do+
[02:26] <Grendel|> ?
[02:26] <hybrid> Cindux : it is a sucky unix crippled like dos
[02:26] <surrounder> Grendel|: did you read ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:26] <Cindux> ah bla
[02:26] <surrounder> Grendel|: lots of handy info there about samba
[02:26] <Cindux> I wish I had Ubuntu right now
[02:26] <Grendel|> I've tried it before
[02:26] <Cindux> but long story short I've been running a p3 600mhz / 128mb ram pc with 4mb memory
[02:26] <hybrid> Cindux : y u dont
[02:27] <Grendel|> think I have the command right, but I get an error message
[02:27] <Cindux> that lagged on the screensavers...
[02:27] <hybrid> lol
[02:27] <Cindux> it did
[02:27] <Grendel|> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[02:27] <Grendel|> 23785: protocol negotiation failed
[02:27] <Grendel|> SMB connection failed
[02:27] <Cindux> im not joking
[02:27] <Cindux> my fps could go down to 5
[02:27] <surrounder> Cindux: would work just ok wouldn't it ?
[02:27] <Cindux> anyway I took the hdd / cd rom drive out & am waiting for my barebone :P
[02:27] <Cindux> wel no..
[02:27] <Grendel|> if anyone could tell me how to fix it...
[02:28] <surrounder> Cindux: I've installed archlinux on my gf's pc, p3 600 Mhz with 64 MB RAM, runs quite nicely :)
[02:28] <MobyTurbo> Cindux, you can remove the 3D screen savers by removing the xscreensaver-gl package.
[02:28] <surrounder> Cindux: enlightenment and/or fluxbox and you're done :)
[02:28] <Cindux> im not saying ubuntu didnt run well
[02:28] <Cindux> it ran quite fast for that pc actually
[02:28] <Cindux> its just that the pc itself had problems
[02:28] <surrounder> aaah okay, that's nasty indeed
[02:28] <Cindux> not "sure" though
[02:29] <Cindux> I tried running starcraft on it & it more than meets the minimum req
[02:29] <Cindux> even then single player lagged
[02:29] <timothy> can someone help me get .mov files working as a browser plugin in ubuntu?
[02:29] <Cindux> no internet connection
[02:29] <hybrid> d00d if internet == 0 then how you on here
[02:30] <MobyTurbo> timothy, check out RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[02:30] <Cindux> no
[02:30] <Cindux> I ran it OFF the internet
[02:30] <Cindux> purposely to make sure i was lagging because of a connection problem
[02:30] <Cindux> the problem still existed
[02:30] <hybrid> oo ok
[02:30] <Tr0gd0r> when i install jre, where am i supposed to put it
[02:30] <Cindux> :(
[02:30] <hybrid> i thot u were saying u had not internet
[02:30] <hybrid> lol
[02:30] <Tr0gd0r> which folder does it go under
[02:30] <Cindux> lol bla
[02:30] <Tr0gd0r> i have it in my /home and i know it goes somewhere else
[02:31] <Cindux> im so excited to run Ubuntu on a decent PC :D
[02:31] <hybrid> life today would be impossible w/out the internet or another info highway this big
[02:31] <MobyTurbo> Tr0gd0r, /usr/local is a decent place. Or use java-package to make a deb out of it.
[02:31] <Cindux> probably lol
[02:31] <Tr0gd0r> well i did exactly what it said to ln the file in my home for firefox
[02:32] <Tr0gd0r> but java still doesnt work
[02:32] <Grendel|> surrounder: I tried what it said in the guide. didn't work
[02:32] <Cindux> we'd have some other form of fast file transfer across the world
[02:32] <Cindux> like mailing floppies in high performance jets
[02:32] <surrounder> Grendel|: hmmm can't help you any further then...sorry :(
[02:32] <MobyTurbo> Tr0gd0r, the deb automatically installs it. By the way, you need to run "ln -s" not just ln.
[02:32] <Tr0gd0r> ya i did
[02:32] <Tr0gd0r> hmm how do i deb?
[02:32] <Tr0gd0r> make a deb
[02:33] <Grendel|> surrounder: I believe it is that it doesn't allow passwords and such to be used.
[02:33] <surrounder> Grendel|: it should...
[02:33] <Grendel|> it says that samba signing have been disabled
[02:33] <Grendel|> so it seems that I need to enable it
[02:33] <MobyTurbo> Tr0gd0r, the instructions are too much for IRC, check out the wiki.
[02:33] <Tr0gd0r> omg i wish it just worked
[02:33] <Tr0gd0r> i ln -s and nothing
[02:34] <Cindux> stupid question, but what does dev mean exactly
[02:34] <Grendel|> surrounder: the error I get is: cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[02:34] <Tr0gd0r> device?
[02:34] <Grendel|> 23785: protocol negotiation failed
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> Cindux, device
[02:34] <Grendel|> SMB connection failed
[02:34] <Cindux> bla
[02:34] <Cindux> lol
[02:34] <Cindux> ty
[02:34] <Cindux> so this "mount/device/hda1"
[02:34] <surrounder> Grendel|: isn't that an error or the other side of the connection?
[02:34] <Cindux> means to mount this specific device :d
[02:34] <surrounder> Grendel|: just guessing here cause I'm no expert on samba...
[02:35] <surrounder> Grendel|: trying to get it to work here too ;)
[02:35] <Orcrist> anyone here isntalled gdesklets on warty from the .debs?
[02:35] <Grendel|> well.. I doubt it
[02:35] <terry> okay has anyone attempted to run a game in fullscreen mode under wine and Ubuntu Hoary, I am trying to isolate where the problem is.  When I run the game, the gnome-panel stays on the screen and resizes to fit the new resolution
[02:35] <Grendel|> since it mentions something disabled in smb
[02:39] <Tr0gd0r> omg i was typing obj instead of oji
[02:39] <randabis> Orcrist, I did when I used warty
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> Tr0gd0r, glad you solved your problem. :-)
[02:40] <randabis> Orcrist, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012
[02:40] <Orcrist> randabis, did you have any issues with python? when I run gdesklets I get a deprecation warning a couple of functions then it exits
[02:40] <Orcrist> ahh thanks
[02:46] <hybrid> how can i edit etc/apt/source.list
[02:46] <hybrid> gedit says i cant cus it is read only
[02:47] <randabis> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:47] <hybrid> ok thnx
[02:51] <Cindux> can you use the "rm" command to remove a DIR with multiple DIRS / fles in it ?
[02:51] <shock> rm -r dirname
[02:51] <Cindux> er what that mean ?
[02:51] <Cindux> remove r?
[02:52] <shock> -r stands for recursively
[02:52] <Cindux> er
[02:52] <shock> u delete dirname with everything in it including dirname
[02:52] <Cindux> so it wouldnt start out rmdir dirname
[02:53] <shock> if you want to delete .themes with all themes in it (example) type "rm -r .themes"
[02:53] <shock> thats how i undersood your question
[02:54] <mako> repete: yes.. i'm planning on showing up to lwce
[02:55] <shock> hm... i need to figure out how to set disk/traffic quotas
[02:55] <shock> :/
[02:55] <repete> mako: on your own or with work?
[02:55] <randabis> rm -rf foo
[02:56] <Cindux> is it illegal to run livecds at school ?
[02:56] <Cindux> if it was connected to your school work
[02:56] <Cindux> ..
[02:56] <Cindux> lol
[02:56] <shock> ?
[02:56] <randabis> depends on school policy
[02:56] <shock> usually not
[02:56] <Cindux> hm
[02:56] <josh_> anyone here play alot of online games?
[02:56] <shock> but livecds might enable students to perform things they are not allowed to
 ... used to
[02:57] <Cindux> in the shell do you have to include the entire path for DIR's ?
[02:57] <GFXstyLER> lol,  my ubuntu somehow mutated to debian, everything is changed
[02:57] <shock> the entire relative or total path @ <Cindux>
[02:58] <liquid_> hello I'm trying to setup the flash plug-in with firefox. It seems to be installed but why won't it work?
[02:58] <josh_> shock: well did you use a program called all seeing eye or pathfinder?
[02:58] <liquid_> Linux acronis <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:58] <shock> no
[02:58] <josh_> shock: oh
[02:58] <shock> josh_: jo
[02:58] <shock> ;)
[02:59] <josh_> lol
[02:59] <Cindux> woah
[02:59] <Cindux> the shell is cool
[02:59] <shock> ;)
[03:00] <Cindux> but to much to learn >.<
[03:00] <Cindux> and then shell scripting ><
[03:00] <shock> hrhr
[03:00] <shock> the shell is probably the most powerfull userinterface ever
[03:00] <Cindux> any particular reason for it being the "shell"
[03:01] <Cindux> ex. Linus  = Linux because its his name
[03:01] <Cindux> ??? = Shell because
[03:01] <hybrid> shell is the outerside
[03:01] <hybrid> ie nut in a shell
[03:02] <hybrid> cli covered by a shell
[03:02] <Cindux> these stupid answers lol
[03:02] <Cindux> i keep thinking its some very complex anser
[03:02] <Cindux> & it's always the obvious
[03:02] <hybrid> lol
[03:03] <Xappe> Gatex
[03:03] <hybrid> computers arent hard
[03:03] <hybrid> 0 off 1 on
[03:03] <hybrid> all u need to kno
[03:03] <aurax> hello
[03:03] <EvanCarroll> ok poll who likes melazyboy.no-ip.com I'm not a web designer but I was able to come up with that, any problems with colors or format?
[03:04] <Linforcer> does anyone here have experience with webcams in Linux?
[03:04] <avsn> looking for a quick peace of advice here, how do I get the Live CD Ubuntu to print?
[03:04] <Cindux> tried to the print command
[03:04] <Cindux> :d
[03:05] <aurax> is there a netscape package for ubuntu
[03:05] <aurax> or can i install the rpm for linux
[03:05] <Cindux> print filename
[03:05] <aurax> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:05] <aurax> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:05] <aurax> hrr
[03:05] <avsn> i'll try those idees thx
[03:06] <Linforcer> I guess that's a no
[03:07] <Cindux> their are probably tons
[03:07] <Cindux> considering their are several APPS made for web cam conferening
[03:07] <Cindux> its just that 90
[03:07] <aurax> is there a way to speed up a little win32 apps under wine ?
[03:07] <hybrid> aurax : mozilla and firefox ~= netscape
[03:07] <Cindux> 90% of the people in this channel dont speak
[03:07] <aurax> hybrid yeah
[03:07] <aurax> i know
[03:07] <hybrid> Cindux : do u use much irc help channel
[03:08] <Cindux> uhh nope
[03:08] <hybrid> arux: then why do you want netscape?
[03:08] <Cindux> I only use irc for Ubuntu
[03:08] <hybrid> Cindux : u juss sit here waiting for ur specialty and shut up wen the oldies speek lol
[03:08] <Cindux> I've had to many questions about commands etc so ive just found a website witha list of basic commands etc
[03:08] <Cindux> if i have a question ill try to answer it myself
[03:08] <hybrid> lol
[03:08] <Cindux> before bothering you again :d
[03:09] <hybrid> i dont mind
[03:09] <Cindux> lol meh i do
[03:09] <Cindux> if i were you id tell me to shut up
[03:09] <Cindux> or give them a link & ignore them
[03:09] <aurax> i need netscape to test something
[03:09] <aurax> i have few issues with unicodes
[03:09] <aurax> in ubuntu
[03:09] <hybrid> i always ask questions so answering is like giving back
[03:09] <Cindux> lol :
[03:09] <hybrid> lol
[03:10] <Cindux> the only thing i know at all is web design
[03:10] <Cindux> im teh uber genious
[03:10] <hybrid> aurax : try apt-cache to search for it
[03:10] <aurax> i found it
[03:10] <hybrid> lol
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> why is open source software on some kind of sugar high
[03:10] <aurax> im getting the installer
 5 new items!
[03:10] <hybrid> aurax : ok
[03:10] <aurax> is there a way to speed up wine a little
[03:11] <aurax> i tried to run mirc and everything moving sooo slooow
[03:11] <Cindux> heh
[03:11] <hybrid> juss use xchat or apt-get install bitchx
[03:11] <Cindux> mirc's made by some guy with a funny name :p
[03:11] <djk> why are you running mic in wine
[03:11] <djk> mirc
[03:11] <aurax> just for checking
[03:11] <aurax> i love mirc
[03:11] <aurax> lol
[03:11] <Cindux> Khaled *snickers*
[03:12] <hybrid> lol oo ok
[03:12] <djk> install windows then
[03:12] <surrounder> hmmm can someone perhaps point me to a document oh how to use initrd? when I built a custom kernel it won't run because my initrd is not ok and when I try to boot it without it get even less far...
[03:12] <aurax> i got windows here
[03:12] <aurax> but i wont install windows on this box
[03:12] <hybrid> auraax: d00d u do alot of testing
[03:12] <aurax> for mIRC
[03:12] <Cindux> :P
[03:12] <aurax> sure hybrid
[03:12] <Cindux> I only like windows 2k
[03:12] <aurax> its for w3rk
[03:12] <flowerss> how does xchat compare to bitchx anyways?
[03:13] <hybrid> oo
[03:13] <hybrid> flowerss: idk never used bitchx
[03:13] <housetier> flowerss, one is a gtk app, the other is not
[03:13] <DonL> I found out last night that my mileage really does vary. Screwed up an update to hoary so bad I had to reinstall Warty
[03:13] <hybrid> bitchx is command line tho
[03:13] <flowerss> I'm running xchat right now but for a long time I used BitchX.  Used to run it under Windowmaker in the pre-gnome days.
[03:14] <hybrid> lol
[03:14] <flowerss> DonL I hear you.  Every install of Hoary has been like that for me.
[03:14] <hybrid> alot of ppl like it and the whole ircII or iscii w/e
[03:14] <DonL> I'm thinking mostly because of the Nvidia acceleration I had installed.
[03:14] <housetier> flowerss, just use the client you like best :)
[03:14] <DonL> ...and the change to Xorg
[03:15] <randabis> surrounder,  mkinitrd initrdname.img /path/to/kernel/modules
[03:15] <flowerss> DonL I don't know why mine does it.  It just goes west every time I try to install it.  I've tried 2 different boxes and tried upgrading warty and installing fresh Hoary.  No luck.
[03:16] <DonL> flowerss, I love Warty so much, I'm happy here for as long as I can
[03:16] <flowerss> DonL I've only been running Ubuntu for a week.  I used SuSE before that.  So far I like Ubuntu much better.
[03:16] <flowerss> I just want to be able to run Beagle.
[03:16] <DonL> I used Mandrake for years. I really like Ubuntu
[03:17] <farruinn> what do you do when you get the error "I've already detected a gnome-panel running"?
[03:17] <flowerss> on SuSE every time there was some kind of security update all my USB stuff would quit working until the next update came out a week later.
[03:17] <farruinn> I tried killall gnome-panel but get the same error
[03:18] <DonL> I find apt-get far superior to rpm
[03:18] <flowerss> farruinn:  if you type ps awxx | grep gnome-panel, does it find any instances of the panel running?
[03:18] <hybrid_> flowerss: i am on bitchx now
[03:18] <DonL> Just my personal opinion, mind you
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid_: try irssi
[03:18] <flowerss> DonL - That's what I like better too.
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> you'll never look back :)
[03:19] <goldfish_> X
[03:19] <goldfish_> C L
[03:19] <goldfish_> CIGGY!
[03:19] <farruinn> irssi rocks my boat, but not gnome-panels at the moment =/
[03:19] <hybrid_> HrdwrBoB : what are the benifits od irssi
[03:19] <flowerss> I should figure out how to do irc in emacs.  It does everything else.
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid_: it's about 100x less annoying
[03:20] <farruinn> flowerss: you mean emacsOS? ;)
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> ie: new windows for messages, handles multiple networks and disconnections gracefully
[03:20] <hybrid_> ok i am gonna log off then try it
[03:20] <hybrid_> brb
[03:20] <farruinn> I wish the alt+arrow would work for switching windows I just get 3C or 3D
[03:20] <flowerss> farruinn Exactly!
[03:20] <tritium> farruinn, in xchat?    Maybe nobody had the answer.
[03:22] <Cindux> lies
[03:22] <farruinn> Cindux: what's the thread? I'll reply if it makes you feel better =)
[03:22] <Cindux> it's an obvious question :D
[03:22] <flowerss> It's worse when you post in a forum and the only replies are get-rich-quick scheme spams.
[03:22] <mpq> I have a problem
[03:22] <Cindux> I simpy asked what performance difference i would see
[03:22] <DonL> Cindux, maybe it was the question
[03:22] <mpq> I tried to install but I don't know anything about partitioning
[03:22] <Cindux> estimated on a scale of 1-10
[03:22] <Cindux> or in %
[03:22] <Cindux> nuh uh
[03:22] <Cindux> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14613
[03:22] <Cindux> Very straight forward & clear
[03:22] <Cindux> provided details as well
[03:23] <farruinn> ok now you're just whining ;)
[03:23] <farruinn> mpq: what do you need to know?
[03:23] <n0sferatu> hey there, can someone tell me how can i share internet with ubuntu ?
[03:23] <mpq> how to do it without deleting everything on the computer
[03:23] <Cindux> * wines *
[03:23] <tritium> Cindux, maybe 0% of the people who read your thread had your hardware.
[03:23] <hybrid> i like irssi it is strate forward
[03:23] <Cindux> lol
[03:23] <Cindux> lies
[03:24] <DonL> The difference, Cindux, would be this much
[03:25] <Cindux> oh ><
[03:25] <Cindux> everyone has to pick on the little guy
[03:25] <Cindux> just cuz i memorized the shell in 2.3 days
[03:25] <Cindux> cough cough
[03:25] <mpq> how do I partition without deleting everything on the hard drive?
[03:26] <Cindux> ?
[03:26] <flowerss> the shell is easy to memorize:   user@pc:~ $
[03:26] <Cindux> All partitioning does is devide your harddrive into seperate sections
[03:26] <flowerss> mpq you need something like Partition Magic
[03:26] <Cindux> it doesnt delete anything to partition
[03:26] <mpq> that costs a lot of money
[03:26] <flowerss> if you have existing partitions and no room for new ones.
[03:26] <mpq> I thought linux was supposed to be free
[03:26] <hybrid> is there any benifits of sudo over the root terminal
[03:26] <Cindux> oh
[03:27] <hybrid> ?
[03:27] <zenwhen> mpq, download knoppix and use qtparted to resize your window partition
[03:27] <zenwhen> it is free
[03:27] <flowerss> mpq I don't know if any linux tools can resize partitions to make room for you.
[03:27] <tritium> qtparted doesn't always work that well
[03:27] <mpq> the ubuntu installer has a partitioner
[03:27] <mpq> but I don't understand it
[03:27] <zenwhen> mpq, qtparted will do the job and do it well
[03:27] <mpq> can I get it without having to download yet another iso?
[03:27] <flowerss> mpq do you have any blank space on your drive without partions on it?
[03:27] <mpq> yes
[03:28] <mpq> I don't have any partitions yet
[03:28] <zenwhen> is the dirve blank?
[03:28] <zenwhen> drive*
[03:28] <mpq> why would it be?
[03:28] <zenwhen> then you have a partition
[03:28] <DonL> maybe one big one
[03:28] <zenwhen> yes
[03:28] <mpq> I have a 60 GB drive
[03:28] <hybrid> u gotta have a partion to have aan os
[03:28] <mpq> and I wanted to split it into two 30 GB partitions
[03:29] <Cindux> mpq
[03:29] <mpq> but I don't know how to do that in the ubuntu installer
[03:29] <Cindux> theirs no such thing as a 60gb drive
[03:29] <Cindux> because you wont have 60gb
[03:29] <mpq> then what's on my computer?
[03:29] <zenwhen> download knoppix and use qtparted to resize. it is your only free option that you will be able to easily do.
[03:29] <flowerss> mpq does it already have windows or something on it?
[03:29] <Cindux> it's something like
[03:29] <Cindux> 54.76gb
[03:29] <mpq> yes
[03:29] <tritium> theirs?
[03:29] <zenwhen> Cindux, why tell him that
[03:29] <flowerss> mpq is there more than 30 GB of free space?
[03:29] <mpq> that just seems like splitting hairs
[03:29] <zenwhen> its rather asinine
[03:29] <mpq> yes
[03:29] <Cindux> he wanted 2 30gb partitions
[03:29] <Cindux> :P
[03:29] <mpq> you're splitting hairs
[03:30] <n0sferatu> hey how can i share my internet connection, i have the internet access in eth0 and my lan is in eth1
[03:30] <flowerss> then your best bet is to use that knoppix tool like somebody else suggested
[03:30] <n0sferatu> what can i do?
[03:30] <liquid_> hello I'm trying to setup the flash plug-in with firefox. It seems to be installed but why won't it work?
[03:30] <liquid_> Linux acronis <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:30] <mpq> can I get it without having to download yet ANOTHER 600mb iso?
[03:30] <tritium> http://www.sysresccd.org/ is even better than knoppix
[03:30] <Linforcer> By now anyone here who has experience with using webcams in Linux?
[03:31] <farruinn> n0sferatu: I don't know the details, but google nat
[03:31] <hybrid> mpq: try buying a pressed cd for about 5$
[03:31] <DonL> I like the Warty live disk better than knoppix
[03:32] <Cindux> are the Ubuntu CD's really free ?
[03:32] <Cindux> i dont want it showing up at my door witha $ charge lol
[03:33] <surrounder> thanks randabis!
[03:33] <hybrid> DonL: it is nice
[03:33] <tritium> DonL, yes, but it doesn't have partitioning tool.  That's why we're not recommending it.
[03:33] <hybrid> mpq : try mandrake it isextremely simple
[03:33] <DonL> I know it's knoppix based, but I prefer gnome
[03:33] <mpq> this seems overcomplicated
[03:33] <DonL> Oh. sorry. Didn't know about the partitioning tool
[03:33] <mpq> all I want to do is split the disk in half so I can install ubuntu
[03:33] <mpq> and now I've been told to use two different distros
[03:33] <farruinn> mpq: the problem is you can't just split it while keeping your data
[03:33] <farruinn> you have to resize the partition
[03:33] <pepsi__> whered the little wireless applet go?
[03:33] <pepsi__> in hoary?
[03:33] <hybrid> mpq : what arectecture are u on
[03:33] <mpq> huh?
[03:33] <DonL> farruinn, do you have windows on it now?
[03:33] <hybrid> CINDUX : YEA
[03:33] <mpq> yes
[03:33] <mpq> that wasn't for me
[03:33] <farruinn> DonL: what?
[03:34] <geppy> If you're sshing into a server, what's a good way to tell what distro it's running?
[03:34] <DonL> Is windows installed on your hard drive now?
[03:34] <tritium> geppy, try uname -r
[03:34] <tritium> or -a
[03:34] <mpq> I think it's NTFS if that's what you're asking
[03:34] <hybrid> geppy try nmap -O server ip
[03:34] <tritium> ntfs resizing is sort of risky
[03:35] <farruinn> DonL: no, I have a mac
[03:35] <geppy> uname just gives you kernel, etc
[03:35] <geppy> I'll try nmap
[03:35] <DonL> Ahh. So you have to use a ppc version of ubuntu
[03:35] <mpq> so then there's no way to do it without possibly deleting everything on my computer?
[03:35] <hybrid> ubuntu ppc rules
[03:35] <DonL> hybrid, I'm out of my league here
[03:36] <tritium> geppy, he doesn't need to install nmap just for that, when uname will do the job
[03:36] <eatmyshor> I am here to let you know of a new site that just launched.  www.FreeStuffNation.com . get all kinds of free stuff (free ipods/free minimacs/free lcd monitors).
[03:36] <eatmyshor> www.freestuffnation.com
[03:36] <hybrid> DonL ok lol
[03:36] <farruinn> mpq: unfortunately that's right
[03:36] <mpq> this is why I don't want to use windows
[03:36] <geppy> tritium:  uname doesn't give you the distribution
[03:36] <mpq> as if I didn't hate my computer enough already...
[03:36] <tritium> mpq, any chance you can just delete windows.  possibly reinstall?
[03:37] <mpq> probably not
[03:37] <tritium> geppy, he wants to know OS
[03:37] <tritium> not distro
[03:37] <tritium> geppy, my mistake
[03:37] <geppy> tritium:  sorry, I was talking about what I was looking for;  I was looking for a way to find the distribution
[03:37] <hybrid> mpq yea tritium is rite back up important stuff then use a cd
[03:37] <geppy> tritium:  =)
[03:37] <randabis> cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:38] <mpq> "back up important stuff"?
[03:38] <tritium> geppy, :) sorry
[03:38] <Faustus> say guys is helix ported in hoarty?
[03:38] <geppy> tritium:  haha.. no worries. =)
[03:38] <mpq> this clearly isn't worth it
[03:38] <mpq> I thought this would be simple
[03:38] <tritium> mpq, Windows makes it difficult :(
[03:38] <farruinn> mpq: unfortunately there is _no_ simply solution to what you're looking for
[03:39] <mpq> so I can't do anything?
[03:39] <mpq> why did I bother trying to use linux in the first place?
[03:39] <tritium> mpq, you can do what we suggested
[03:39] <randabis> helix is in hoary
[03:39] <hybrid> u can if u r ^^4|) 31337
[03:39] <mpq> which was back up everything and delete windows?
[03:39] <hybrid> lol
[03:39] <tritium> mpq, or use a partioning tool
[03:39] <randabis> what did you do to windows? lol
[03:39] <`shane> anyone know how to type non-Roman letters such as Latvian diacritics in Linux?
[03:40] <geppy> shane;  GNOME?  Just change the keyboard map.
[03:40] <`shane> in OO.org for example
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> randabis, ain't using windows enough?
[03:40] <`shane> ok thanks
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:40] <randabis> I don't use windows at all :p
[03:40] <geppy> tritium:  How long does nmap take?  It's still running.
[03:40] <flowerss> when is hoary supposed to be done anyways?
[03:40] <Cindux> :P
[03:40] <Cindux> tomorrows my day of uber laziness
[03:40] <randabis> April 2005
[03:40] <geppy> flowerss: April
[03:40] <hybrid> geppy : depense
[03:40] <tritium> geppy, I don't have it installed.  Don't know...
[03:40] <Cindux> watching the sw trilogy
[03:40] <Cindux> straight through
[03:40] <geppy> tritium:  Alright, thanks.
[03:40] <jdub> flowerss: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:40] <DonL> This has been a windows free zone for about three years
[03:41] <randabis> mpq use BootItNG
[03:41] <jdub> flowerss: preview in march, final in april
[03:41] <randabis> on a floppy disk
[03:41] <randabis> you can resize ntfs with that
[03:41] <Cindux> isnt it bootit ng ?
[03:41] <geppy> tritium:  Are there any other ways to determine the distro?  nmap couldn't figure it out.
[03:41] <randabis> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootitng.zip
[03:42] <randabis> geppy
[03:42] <tritium> geppy, snoop around in /etc since you can ssh into the machine
[03:42] <randabis> cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:42] <randabis> try that
[03:42] <tritium> or possibly /etc/issue
[03:42] <randabis> yeah
[03:43] <geppy> tritium:  Alright.  I'm not the one who is doing the SSHing, but I'll tell him to. =)
[03:43] <tritium> okay
[03:43] <jay_> hey, question: I'm running ubuntu on an old p2 266 mhz -- and it's kinda slow. Someone previously mentioned this gui that runs REALLY fast - anyone know what it is?
[03:44] <hybrid> matchbox
[03:44] <DonL> Well, I should be off to continue re-installing Warty after the big crash
[03:44] <randabis> jay_, you could try fluxbox
[03:44] <hybrid> lol
[03:44] <farruinn> flux rules
[03:44] <tritium> jay_, or xfce, perhaps
[03:44] <flowerss> geppy what does it say when you go uname -a
[03:44] <jay_> xfce -- thats what I heard!
[03:44] <mpq> I thought this would be simple...
[03:44] <tritium> DonL, ouch.  What happened?
[03:44] <jay_> i'll check em both - thanks!
[03:44] <randabis> flowerss, that shows kernel, not distro
[03:44] <tritium> mpq, it's not too bad.  We're here to help.
[03:44] <DonL> tritium, failed upgrade to hoary
[03:44] <randabis> mpq
[03:44] <randabis> try this
[03:45] <flowerss> randabis well if you do it on BSD it shows which bsd you are using.
[03:45] <tritium> DonL, how so?
[03:45] <randabis> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootitng.zip
[03:45] <randabis> flowerss, but this isn't BSD :p
[03:45] <hybrid> DonL : what are you installing it off
[03:45] <geppy> flowers: try it yourself;  it just tells you username, time, arch, and kernel
[03:45] <DonL> I think the accelerated version of Nvidia I had installed screwed some stuff up
[03:45] <randabis> mpq put the contents of that zip file onto a floppy disk
[03:45] <scorpix> is it possible to play a wav file when xdm starts?
[03:45] <randabis> and boot the floppy
[03:45] <DonL> hybrid, I did the upgrade from the internet
[03:45] <mpq> my computer doesn't have a floppy drive
[03:45] <tritium> DonL, doesn't sound too hard to figure out.
[03:45] <tritium> DonL, what happened?
[03:45] <mpq> and that's not my problem anyway
[03:46] <hybrid> DonL oo ok
[03:46] <mpq> I figured out the booting problem
[03:46] <hybrid> i c
[03:46] <hybrid> and it crashed woarty?
[03:46] <DonL> I did everything I read, but it booted with mega errors, and no X
[03:46] <randabis> mpq you wanted to resize ntfs? maybe I didn't get all that correctly
[03:46] <mpq> yeah
[03:46] <tritium> mpq, what's wrong with trying a bootable CD with qtparted?
[03:46] <mpq> so I could make a partition for linux
[03:46] <hybrid> DonL : ouch
[03:46] <flowerss> geppy well, I know if it's a SuSE or NLD distro there will be a file in /etc that is calles SuSE.config or something like that.
[03:46] <tritium> mpq, that's not very difficult to try
[03:46] <randabis> mpq well that program will allow you to resize an ntfs partition
[03:46] <tritium> DonL, did you "dist-upgrade"
[03:46] <tritium> ?
[03:47] <DonL> I was used to this from Mandrake, but didn't like it, so after trying to fix it and getting into a nose dive, I dumped and started again
[03:47] <mpq> I was told that resizing a NTFS partition could delete everything on the hard drive
[03:47] <randabis> bootitng will resize it safely
[03:47] <DonL> tritium , yes. dist-upgrade
[03:47] <farruinn> mpq: with qtparted
[03:47] <hybrid> tritium : will editing the sources.list then apt-get update upgraade it all?
[03:47] <randabis> you could create a bootable cd with bootitng I believe
[03:47] <mpq> can I get that without having to download a 700MB iso?
[03:47] <hybrid> or will i need to run dist-upgrade
[03:48] <randabis> mpq bootitng is very small
[03:48] <tritium> hybrid, not all of it, but it's safer
[03:48] <mpq> I don't have a floppy drive
[03:48] <hybrid> tritum : ok
[03:48] <mpq> you said I had to but bootitng on a floppy disk
[03:48] <farruinn> mpq: you could probably burn it to a cd I'd imagine
[03:48] <tritium> hybrid, dist-upgrade can remove packages when dependencies aren't met
[03:48] <mpq> I already need the cd for the ubuntu installer
[03:48] <hybrid> tritium : o i c
[03:48] <DonL> Oh! Someone here helped me after my first install with an unresponsive floppy drive.
[03:49] <Cindux> hm
[03:49] <DonL> I know you have to make it vfat, but don't know how
[03:49] <Cindux> i think the boot order on my compaq is screwed up in the BIOS
[03:49] <randabis> mpq you can burn the contents of the zip file to a cd and make it a bootable cd
[03:49] <tritium> mpq, http://www.sysresccd.org/ is only around 100 MB
[03:50] <mpq> this isn't working
[03:50] <Cindux> hm time to go read a long linux newb pdf :P
[03:50] <Cindux> b4 i do
[03:50] <Cindux> just one question
[03:50] <mpq> I haven't installed linux on my computer yet
[03:50] <mpq> because I can't partition
[03:50] <Cindux> after removing a file in the "command line" on ubuntu
[03:50] <Cindux> does it go to the trash
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> mpq, if you don't mind downloading something smaller, suse has a boot image of about 25mb ... for CD
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> boot up and do ftp install
[03:50] <farruinn> Cindux: no, it's gone forever
[03:50] <Cindux> excelente :P
[03:50] <Cindux> k thanks
[03:50] <Cindux> gonna read :d
[03:50] <randabis> I gave you an option mpq, it's up to you to take it
[03:50] <flowerss> in Warty, when I browse to a windows share using the Network icon, and double click a windows box, it doesn't prompt me for a login ID or password, it just says You do not have the permissions to view the contents...
[03:50] <mpq> I don't understand
[03:51] <flowerss> How do I get a windows box to prompt for login credentials?
[03:51] <hybrid> Cindux : Unix is very powerful thats why you dont login as root
[03:51] <tritium> DonL, use dist-upgrade with caution if you try upgrading to Hoary again.
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> flowerss, download Xteq
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> if you mean the Ctrlaltdel box
[03:51] <flowerss> nomasteryoda, what's Xteq?
[03:51] <randabis> mpq download bootitng, unzip it, burn the contents of the zip file to a cd, and make the cd bootable
[03:51] <DonL> tritium, yes, but that's what I read to do in more than one place
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> free registry tweaker for winders
[03:51] <mpq> I don't know how to make a cd bootable
[03:52] <randabis> what burning app do you use?
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> mpq, when you burn it it will be
[03:52] <mpq> I don't know
[03:52] <randabis> ...
[03:52] <hybrid> whats the argument to start a c++ project in gcc?
[03:52] <mpq> it wasn't the first four times I tried to download a boot cd
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> as long as the iso is made that way
[03:52] <Faustus> does anyone know if deb-src http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/debian woody main is kept up to date?  Can I use with ubuntu?
[03:52] <mpq> it's not
[03:52] <DonL> tritium,  I do appreciate your help. One must be careful
[03:52] <mpq> is there a partitioner than can be used in windows?
[03:53] <randabis> partition magic
[03:53] <mpq> so I can install linux?
[03:53] <randabis> it's not free though
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> not in windows
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> mpq, Ultimate Boot CD has one on it
[03:53] <mpq> so my only solution is to buy a $70 program just to use something that was supposed to be free?
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> and is free
[03:53] <DonL> Anyone know how to get a floppy going then?  Wont' even see it
[03:54] <randabis> mpq try the ultimate boot cd nomasteryoda suggested
[03:54] <tritium> mpq, no, that's not your only solution.  We've laid out others for you.
[03:54] <randabis> I didn't realize it had a partitioning software included
[03:54] <mpq> and I didn't understand any of them
[03:54] <hybrid> DonL : eww fun
[03:54] <hybrid> lol
[03:54] <tritium> DonL, what did you try?
[03:54] <flowerss> how the heck do you access windows shares in Nautilus?
[03:54] <mpq> or half of them involved backing up everything and reinstalling windows
[03:55] <randabis> uh, only ONE of them did actually
[03:55] <hybrid> mpq : go to shipit.ubuntu.com and then get the live cd
[03:55] <DonL> Well, I have some saved files, on floppies, formatted in MS format
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> mpq, it is a safer way to go ...
[03:55] <mpq> I have the live cd
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> backing things up
[03:55] <mpq> I have way too much stuff to back up everything
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:55] <hybrid> mpq : then use it
[03:55] <randabis> try the ultimate boot cd
[03:55] <DonL> Someone here told me a quick way of getting Ubuntu to recognize and mount them, then my system crashed and I forget how to redo that
[03:55] <hybrid> whut is ur problem
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> do you have an extra drive?
[03:55] <tritium> mpq, you want to backup, even if you're just resizing, to be safe
[03:56] <hybrid> lol
[03:56] <mpq> if I had an extra drive this wouldn't be a problem
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> tritium, i echo your comments
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:56] <tritium> nomasteryoda, :)
[03:56] <randabis> maybe you should just use the livecd for a while a get a feel for linux. :/
[03:56] <tritium> DonL, command line?  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:56] <hybrid> mpq : use the live cd or get an extra hdd and install ubuntu on it
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you risk losing all your data anytime you resize the partition... or at least making it a pain to get back
[03:56] <mpq> I can't get an extra hdd
[03:57] <mpq> I'm on a laptop
[03:57] <hybrid> best 2 options
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> mpq, sure you can
[03:57] <mpq> not easily
[03:57] <DonL> tritium, is that for one go, or will it change the system
[03:57] <mpq> it seems the only solutions involve spending a lot of money I don't have
[03:57] <hybrid> mpq : external hdd
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> you can get a 6gb for small change
[03:57] <mpq> maybe to you
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> or yes, like hybrid said external
[03:57] <tritium> DonL, it doesn't change anything permanently
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> mpq, find a friend with an external
[03:58] <mpq> I don't have a friend
[03:58] <randabis> again, I suggest the ultimate boot cd since I was informed it now includes partitioning software
[03:58] <DonL> tritium, thanks for that. I'll write that down.
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> or for that matter, network the data to another system
[03:58] <tritium> mpq, we're here, and we're trying to help
[03:58] <mpq> I don't know anyone in real life that knows anything about computers
[03:58] <hybrid> do you go to work?
[03:58] <hybrid> do they have computers?
[03:58] <mpq> no
[03:58] <randabis> have you used the livecd at all?
[03:59] <mpq> yeah
[03:59] <randabis> ok
[03:59] <mpq> and I was confused as hell
[03:59] <tritium> mpq, do you have a CD burner?  You could burn your data to CD.
[03:59] <hybrid> wtf?
[03:59] <mpq> I don't have that many cds
[03:59] <tritium> mpq, can you buy a few?
[03:59] <randabis> so you were confused with even the livecd
[03:59] <hybrid> rofl
[03:59] <randabis> what makes you think you are going to be any less confused with installing the full distro?
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> mpq, wherebouts do you live?
[03:59] <DonL> Thanks again for the help folks. Must go for now.
[03:59] <mpq> I couldn't figure out how to do something
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> on an island?
[04:00] <mpq> I asked here and someone said it would be easier to install it
[04:00] <hybrid> lol
[04:00] <mpq> clearly it's not
[04:00] <tritium> mpq, what did you want to do?
[04:00] <hybrid> man i thot i was a newbie
[04:00] <mpq> set up a wireless network card in linux
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, LOL
[04:00] <randabis> odds are you're going to be opening up a can of worms you aren't ready for
[04:00] <tritium> mpq, the LiveCD supports that.  What kind?
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> mpq, that is way up there on the list... very many versions of card chips
[04:01] <mpq> I'm going to try rebooting with the live cd
[04:01] <hybrid> WOW
[04:01] <randabis> before you do, what wireless card do you use?
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> good
[04:01] <mpq> this might be easier if I was actually on linux
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> mpq, what card>
[04:02] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : would that work? rebooting with a live cd?
[04:02] <mpq> I don't know how to find out
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> er, might work
[04:02] <tritium> mpq, can you look at the label?
[04:02] <tritium> and see the manufacturer?
[04:02] <mpq> it's in the computer
[04:02] <farruinn> perhaps it's on the manufacturer's website
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you need to find out
[04:02] <hybrid> mpq : i did months of research b4 i installed linux
[04:02] <calamari> hi
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> simple way once you get bootable up
[04:02] <tritium> mpq, the Device Manager doesn't say anything?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> tritium, it will but what about the chipset?
[04:03] <tritium> nomasteryoda, it's a start
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> true
[04:03] <tritium> but you're right
[04:03] <mpq> it's broadcom
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> ack
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> you will need the Ndiswrapper
[04:03] <hybrid> not my feild
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> and the windows driver
[04:04] <randabis> broadcom requires ndiswrapper
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> for that specific model
[04:04] <randabis> yep
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> i am using one here
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> bcm chipset
[04:04] <randabis> for that I think you WILL need a native linux on your system and not a live cd
[04:04] <tritium> I'm going to drink some beer.
[04:04] <hybrid> lol
[04:04] <tritium> good luck mpq
[04:04] <hybrid> u deserve it
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> tritium, lol
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> i'll have a soda
[04:04] <tritium> :) see you all later
[04:04] <hybrid> bye man
[04:04] <mpq> I think I'm going to stick with the wired connection until I figure out how to install it
[04:04] <hybrid> thnx for the help
[04:05] <tritium> hybrid, see you around
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> mpq, Knoppix has ndiswrapper on it
[04:05] <hybrid> iight man
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> 3.7 version that is
[04:05] <Xappe> hmm, nice. the dc++ port for linux is getting better and better...
[04:05] <odyssey> ubuntu only detects my radeon 7000 agp to be using 1x when it should be using 4x. Is there a way to change this?
[04:05] <mpq> so what, ubuntu won't work for me?
[04:05] <hybrid> lol
[04:05] <nomasteryoda>  you just download and extract the contents to a folder you can access while in knoppix or do the HD install
[04:06] <hybrid> nope none of us use it this is all our lil rpg
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> mpq, the latest distro might
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> i don't know about hat
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> that
[04:07] <hybrid> hey i edited my sources.list and did apt-get upgrade is there anything else i need to do to get hoary?
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, did it all take?
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> no errors?
[04:08] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : yup
[04:09] <hybrid> none
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> so you have not rebooted yet?
[04:09] <hybrid> no
[04:09] <hybrid> do i need to
[04:09] <hybrid> ?
[04:09] <darmou> hybrid yes
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> hoary has different kernel, xorg
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> etc
[04:09] <hybrid> aight brb
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> good luck
[04:09] <hybrid> thnx
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:10] <Xappe> hybrid,  you should do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:10] <Xappe> damn
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> er, too late
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> he'll be back soon
[04:10] <darmou> mabey;)
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> =_)
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> mpq, in ubuntu?
[04:12] <mpq> yeah
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:12] <mpq> I'm using the live cd
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> open a terminal
[04:12] <mpq> ok
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> and type uname -a
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> so we know what version
[04:13] <mpq> Linux ubuntu 2.6.7 #2 Mon Oct 18 00:31:18 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:13] <akurashy> i need help installing a eggdrop can someone help me =/
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> ok, so that would be warty
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> mpq, find out exactly what chipset you have
[04:14] <hybrid> all good here
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> for the wireless
[04:14] <mpq> how do I do that?
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, you missed a step
[04:14] <Rotund> anyone here heard about what fluendo is going to charge for the fluendo plugins?
[04:14] <hybrid> wut?
[04:15] <Rotund> or know if Ubuntu will work with Fluendo in Hoary
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> Xappe said "hybrid,  you should do an apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:15] <hybrid> oo ok
[04:15] <Chazzle> Hello?
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> mpq, open terminal
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> type
[04:15] <Chazzle> I was on earlier and I was working on setting up Ubuntu.
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> look for bcm
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> look at version
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> write it down
[04:16] <geppy> I've found a .mov that kills gxine;  should I bugzilla it?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> google for the windows driver
[04:16] <Chazzle> I have my BIOS set to CDROM...
[04:16] <mpq> forget it
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:16] <mpq> my sister is being an ass
[04:16] <mpq> and I have to disconnect
[04:16] <hybrid> Xappe : it told me to run apt-get update
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:17] <geppy> I've found a .mov that kills gxine;  what should I do with it/
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, check the version
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> uname -a
[04:17] <Chazzle> What do I need to do now.
[04:17] <Xappe> hybrid, what told you?
[04:17] <hybrid> Linux Hybrid <IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc #1 Thu Nov 18 13:59:38 UTC 2004 ppc GNU/Linux
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, i gave him the command you told him before he rebooted
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> er, warty right?
[04:18] <Xappe> hybrid, the procedure is... apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:18] <hybrid> Xappe : i apt-get dist-upgrade then it said to fix these errors run apt-get update
[04:18] <hybrid> ok
[04:18] <Chazzle> nomasteryoda, are you asking me if I have Warty?
[04:19] <hybrid> thanx you two
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> np
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> Chazzle, sure why not
[04:19] <Chazzle> I am a NOOB
[04:19] <Chazzle> sorry.
[04:19] <Chazzle> Trying to work this out.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> not like some people =)
[04:19] <Chazzle> ;)
[04:19] <hybrid> lol
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> did you get the bootable or the install cd
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> mpq, got rid of that arse?
[04:19] <mpq> no
[04:20] <hybrid> lol
[04:20] <Chazzle> I downloaded the iso from the sight and burned it to disk.
[04:20] <mpq> wish I could
[04:20] <hybrid> lo
[04:20] <hybrid> lol
[04:20] <mpq> I can't use linux now
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you can download qemu
[04:20] <steve_> why mpq
[04:20] <hybrid> or cygwin
[04:20] <mpq> the POS router apparently won't let two people use wired connections at the same time
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> and some of the images and try distros that way
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> while in windows
[04:20] <hybrid> not the best but hey
[04:20] <mpq> and I can't use the wireless card in linux
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> qemu is nice
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> and free
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> and they even have an image of ubuntu warty to download an use
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> from in winders
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> a good way to "check it out"
[04:22] <Xenguy> nomasteryoda: do you mean run qemu in linux or winders?
[04:22] <Levander> anyone else here programming python on warty?  can't get PYTHONPATH to work correctly, wondering if there's a trick?
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> Xenguy, funny
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> i do it both ways
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> but yes, for mpq in windows
[04:23] <hybrid> lol
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:23] <mpq> what does qemu do?
[04:23] <Chazzle> Quickly, how can I start the CD when I reboot?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> it is a virtual machine
[04:23] <Xenguy> nomasteryoda: qemu runs on winders? Hrm
[04:23] <mpq> what is that?
[04:23] <hybrid> fake linux
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> a way of running another OS while in another OS
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> pretty fast with today's computers
[04:24] <hybrid> mpq : ever heard of google or clusty?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:24] <hybrid> or any search engine?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> LOLROTF
[04:24] <rcliii> chazzle: if you have the bios set to boot from the cd you just have to put the cd in and reboot...
[04:24] <hybrid> qemu is the free (cheap no mullah ) version of VM
[04:24] <mpq> I can't run linux now
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> mpq has sister breathing down back... give him a break..
[04:24] <Chazzle> maybe I don't have this set up right.
[04:25] <mpq> I can't get on the internet while I'm in linux
[04:25] <mpq> that's the problem
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> mpq, with an install distro you can
[04:25] <hybrid> u got ethrnet?
[04:25] <Chazzle> to set bios, I hold down f2 and then change the settings right?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> i'm on suse here and using bcm chipset wifi card
[04:25] <mpq> I can't install right now
[04:25] <rcliii> chassle: that sounds right
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:25] <hybrid> Chzzle yea
[04:25] <hybrid> **chazzle
[04:25] <Chazzle> I will do this again...
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> mpq, that is why i suggested qemu
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> google for it man
[04:26] <Dreamer3> ok
[04:26] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[04:26] <Chazzle> I think I might have a bad version of the burn.
[04:26] <hybrid> the url is http://google.org
[04:26] <Dreamer3> how am i supposed to move the home partition if i can only log in as users...?
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> Chazzle, happens
[04:26] <Dreamer3> (And not root)?
[04:26] <Chazzle> yup.
[04:26] <Chazzle> thx
[04:26] <Ixan> Hi! I'm getting strange behaviour from evolution on hoary amd64, it terminates with sigfpe
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> dreamer, you have to go to single user mode
[04:26] <mpq> I am so confused
[04:26] <mpq> why did I think I could do this?
[04:26] <Dreamer3> nomasteryoda: or sudo passwd root? :)
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> Dreamer, best to go to single user
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> init 1
[04:27] <niptac> hi guys can somebody help? my volume control just decided to stop working and I get error Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[04:27] <Dreamer3> nomasteryoda: thanks
[04:27] <Xenguy> mpq: getting good support/answers depends on you being very specific in your speech
[04:27] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm
[04:27] <mpq> I don't even know my problems
[04:27] <mpq> how can I be specific?
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> or Dreamer... init 3
[04:27] <Dreamer3> nomasteryoda: which? :)
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> at the least
[04:27] <niptac> some multimedia applications also won't load up
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> init 3 will allow netowrk to function
[04:28] <mpq> I can't run linux because I wouldn't be able to connect
[04:28] <Dreamer3> nomasteryoda: but it will let me log in at root (init 3)?
[04:28] <mpq> I can't set up the wireless card in linux without installing it
[04:28] <Xenguy> mpq: you just need to describe what you are doing, and what the errors/symptoms are, with some level of completeness and detail -- slap-dash comments will not go very far in this medium
[04:28] <mpq> I can't install it without potentially deleting everything on my computer
[04:28] <hybrid> nope it is impossible to connect to the internet with the os that built it.
[04:28] <niptac> but I still get sound
[04:28] <hybrid> mpq if we man newbie we will find u
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> Dreamer3, i think so, but not an expert on ubuntu
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, LOL
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> I have ubuntu, but am using suse mostly
[04:29] <farruinn> mpq: do you have a wired connection?
[04:29] <Xenguy> mpq: are you using the 'Live CD', or ...?
[04:29] <mpq> I can't use more than one wired connection at the same time
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> farruinn, he does
[04:29] <hybrid> mpq : do you have a connection
[04:29] <mpq> I'm on wireless right now
[04:30] <mpq> but I can't use the wireless card while in linux
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> mpq, ah ic
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> sister would die without the connection
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:30] <farruinn> so you don't have a wired connection available?
[04:30] <mpq> not right now
[04:30] <mpq> you can blame linksys for that
[04:30] <farruinn> got it
[04:30] <mpq> four ethernet ports and you can't use more than one at the same time
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> mpq, WTF
[04:31] <farruinn> probably not linksys's problem, probably  your isp making sure you don't get more than your money's worth =)
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> i use all mine
[04:31] <mpq> linksys is a piece of shit
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> i have a WRT54g
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> works great
[04:31] <hybrid> linksys is superior
[04:31] <mpq> then why does my wireless connection periodically crap out for no reason?
[04:31] <steve_> does anyone know of a good program to copy dvds
[04:31] <hybrid> <--- on a wan with an xp wireless cpu ubuntu ppc wireless notebook
[04:32] <hybrid> what kinda fone do u have
[04:32] <hybrid> dsl filter?
[04:32] <hybrid> wall thickness?
[04:32] <hybrid> paint additives?
[04:32] <hybrid> ...
[04:32] <billytwowilly>  http://supermanisadick.com/dick/20.html best comic book cover ever.
[04:32] <mpq> I'm on cable
[04:32] <mpq> six feet from the router right now
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you need to upgrade the wrt54g firmware
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> but that is for later
[04:33] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> up the power to max
[04:33] <hybrid> cable dsl satelite t1 t3 == broadband
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> i know
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> i am sitting on my couch in another room
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> and wireless
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> thru brick wall
[04:33] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : i hope wireless if u r on the couch
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> 16ft away
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> laptop, on batteries even =)
[04:34] <kakalto> hybrid: I sometimes drag my computer to near my couch :)
[04:34] <ben> hi
[04:34] <hybrid> roflmao
[04:34] <steve_> does anyone know of a good program to copy dvds
[04:34] <mpq> the problem isn't with the wireless right now
[04:34] <kakalto> hybrid, it's very comfortable
[04:34] <hybrid> kakalto : hope it is a fraag box
[04:34] <hybrid> lol
[04:34] <kakalto> fraag?
[04:34] <hybrid> i meant frag
[04:34] <mpq> I can't use the wired connection because it doesn't work with multiple computers at the same time for some reason
[04:34] <mpq> and the wireless connection doesn't work while I'm in linux
[04:35] <kakalto> I have my living room wired with a network port
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, me too
[04:35] <hybrid> `raises eyebrow...again`
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> but my wirelss is faster
[04:35] <kakalto> so I can surf & everything on my couch'
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, lol
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> mpq,
[04:35] <kakalto> so long as I drag my box down there
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> find out what chipset is
[04:35] <mpq> I don't know how to
[04:36] <kakalto> I don't have a laptop :(
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> er, windows control panel
[04:36] <mchang> re all
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> or reboot into linux
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> for a min
[04:36] <hybrid> kakalto : stealitback.com
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> then open terminal
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> and type "lspci"
[04:36] <mchang> anyone else have some perl5.8 issues?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> not comments
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> note comments
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> look for bcm
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> write it down
[04:36] <hybrid> that means rite them down on PAPER
[04:36] <hybrid> dont copy n paste
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> get driver and ndiswrapper
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:37] <ben> hi everyone...Can out-of-the-box ubuntu system mount an NTFS partition....I'm having dificulties..
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> paper, remember that stuff
[04:37] <hybrid> lol
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> ben, it should in R mode
[04:37] <hybrid> ben: prolly but idk
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> not write
[04:37] <mpq> I was told that the wireless wouldn't work without installing linux on the hard drive
[04:37] <ben> thanks nomasteryoda, but what is R mode?
[04:37] <farruinn> mpq: he means the livecd I think
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> read only ... sry
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> farruinn, thks
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:38] <mpq> I knew that
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> live cd to evaluate the system
[04:38] <ben> sure I don't mind that it would be read mode..but I'm having trouble doing even that...
[04:38] <hybrid> ben : i think you can view the files but like nomasteryoda said it wont be w or x
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> then go back to windows and look for what you need
[04:38] <hybrid> mount -a ben
[04:38] <kakalto> must.... stealitback.com ....
[04:38] <mpq> ...forget it
[04:38] <mpq> there is no way I can do this now
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> some noobs
[04:39] <hybrid> is he gone?
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> finally
[04:39] <hybrid> man he made me feel good
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:39] <Xappe> ben: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> like a god
[04:39] <hybrid> i wz like i aint hopeless after all
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> or yoda
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:39] <Rotund> I want to get Ubuntu to auto-detect multiple video cards.  what is the program the installer uses to call xresprobe?
[04:39] <hybrid> lol
[04:40] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : i am the first to tell you i am a newbie but maan i feel like a att guru
[04:40] <ben> hybrid: this is what I'm doing >> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows/c
[04:40] <Rotund> ubuntu
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, lol
[04:40] <hybrid> ben ok what is the t argument?
[04:41] <farruinn> type
[04:41] <ben> t is for type
[04:41] <hybrid> o i c
[04:41] <farruinn> can anyone suggest a good gnome-terminal replacement?
[04:41] <ben> hybrid: i tried without t but i was getting an error..
[04:41] <bretzel> someone running Hoary array-cd-4 ???
[04:41] <Rotund> eterm =)
[04:41] <ben> xterm
[04:41] <farruinn> screen is miserable in gnome-terminal =(
[04:41] <hybrid> yea that should work
[04:41] <hybrid> i think -f is force
[04:41] <farruinn> ooh, I meant with tabs
[04:42] <ProgramGeek> Hi
[04:42] <randabis> wtf?
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> farruinn, you should be able to use konsole, but will have to install some kde libs
[04:42] <hybrid> hello
[04:42] <ben> hybrid: it seems like it works, but when I do that command..a window pops up as if to display folder /windows/c but then i get a message that I dont' have the premission to view this folder...odd
[04:42] <hybrid> plz dont say u  wanna install linux on a notebook
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> randabis, huh?
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> ben, sudo
[04:42] <randabis> nomasteryoda, it be my sis vncing me
[04:43] <bretzel> nomasteryoda: what ? konsole is wors than gnome-term ...!
[04:43] <randabis> muhahahah
[04:43] <niptac> problem fixed I ran gst-register-0.8
[04:43] <hybrid> try doing it in the root terminal
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> bretzel, er, IMHO tis better
[04:43] <ben> nomasteryoda:  I am using sudo with my mount command..thats why its puzzling..
[04:43] <randabis> I R OWNZ JOO
[04:43] <hybrid> and try ls -a to see what you get
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> ben, open the "root terminal"
[04:43] <ben> root terminal?? god I'll try that..
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> try it direct from there
[04:43] <bretzel> maybe Eterm, but largest fonts are too small in 1600x1200 ...
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> make sure you did
[04:43] <ben> good*...thanks guys..
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> mkdir /windows
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> and /windows/c
[04:44] <hybrid> rabdabis lmao j00 =\|2\_| `/4}{00
[04:44] <ben> yup..i did that
[04:44] <bretzel> So no one using hoary array-cd-4 ???
[04:45] <farruinn> nomasteryoda: I know about konsole and I agree with bretzel
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:45] <Xappe> bretzel, no i upgraded in early december
[04:45] <hybrid> ill brb yall
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> i use gnome term.. its ok too
[04:45] <bretzel> sorry :-/
[04:45] <farruinn> nomasteryoda: do you use screen with it?
[04:46] <ben> woah, the stuff is actually mounted...but I can't view it because I'm not root...thanks ppl..i think i know how to fix this now
[04:46] <Xappe> umask=0222 or something like that
[04:46] <farruinn> ben: the mount man page *might* be helpful, but good luck =)
[04:47] <bretzel> Xappe: Because if it contains the frozen pkgs , I want to know if nvidia-glx works with my FX 5200!!!! Sh&&%^ I tried everythings to get it loads the GLcore lib, it IS there but cannot find it !!! duh!
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> ben, umount then chown ben /windows/c
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> then remount
[04:48] <Xappe> bretzel, ah ok. fglrx for me, so I can't help you there
[04:48] <bretzel> Xappe: fglrx: ATI ???
[04:48] <hybrid> bac
[04:48] <Xappe> bretzel, yes
[04:49] <bretzel> Is the Radeon 9700 supported ??? :-P
[04:49] <Xappe> well, i've got a 9600 pro
[04:49] <Xappe> working
[04:49] <bretzel> Xappe: #D accel ?
[04:49] <bretzel> oops read 3D
[04:50] <hybrid>  i got the standard ibook ati radeon working right after the install
[04:50] <tritium> hey there hybrid
[04:50] <hybrid> hey man
[04:50] <Xappe> bretzel, yep, the new drivers from ATI now works with xorg
[04:50] <Levander> is it possible to export environment variables inside a crontab file?   I know NVIDIA is loosing field against ATI so I am thinking of switching to ATI...
[04:51] <farruinn> I'm sure he appreciated the jokes...
[04:51] <hybrid> i dont think he knew what a search engine was
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> he did no notice
[04:51] <Xappe> bretzel, well the linux support for nvidia seems better though
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> i think he might have been 12
[04:52] <hybrid> tritium i told him his pic was under the man page for newbie
[04:52] <tritium> well, I guess we tried to help.  In fact, you guys helped more than I did, since I left.
[04:52] <hybrid> but besides that idk y he left
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, LOLROTF
[04:52] <hybrid> ;)
[04:52] <tritium> hybrid, ouch
[04:52] <bretzel> appe: I know NVIDIA supports linux, but I dunno why ATI is far better than nvidia when it gets to work indeed :-)
[04:52] <hybrid> sad part is he didnt get it
[04:53] <tritium> bretzel, nvidia works just fine
[04:53] <tritium> hybrid, probably a good thing
[04:53] <hybrid> lol
[04:53] <hybrid> prolly
[04:53] <bretzel> tritium: -er, no: nvidia doesn't work here for me :-/
[04:53] <ben> where is PATH located?? /etc/profile??
[04:54] <hybrid> apt-get dist-upgrade est time 2 day 20 min 35 sec
[04:54] <hybrid> :'(
[04:54] <tritium> bretzel, how so?
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:54] <hybrid> damn
[04:54] <Xappe> heh, what crapline are you on hybrid?
[04:54] <hybrid> 3 day 9hr 23 min
[04:54] <hybrid> direcway Xappe
[04:55] <farruinn> ben: yeah or .profile or .bash_profile or .bashrc ...
[04:55] <Xappe> hybrid, adsl?
[04:55] <hybrid> it gets blocked by weird thins
[04:55] <ben> thanks farruin...
[04:55] <hybrid> Xappe; yea but it is also 802 11b
[04:55] <tritium> bretzel, can I help?
[04:55] <Xappe> hybrid, ok
[04:55] <hybrid> my signal is only 75%
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, man, i would have to find a cable
[04:56] <hybrid> oh yea 77
[04:56] <bretzel> tritium: hoary upgrade, nvidia-glx  - driver is totally screwed.   Let's comment then out.
[04:59] <hybrid> wo i went from 11 days est  day to 1 est days
[04:59] <hybrid> lol
[04:59] <hybrid> lol
[05:00] <tritium> hybrid, by then, there will be new updated to get ;)
[05:00] <tritium> updates
[05:00] <bretzel> tritium: okay, I can't remember how many times I tried ( commeting : glcore+dri without success ) let me try again ) see you soon
[05:00] <Xappe> hmm, no morning paper yet...lazy paper boy
[05:00] <hybrid> lol
[05:00] <hybrid> lol
[05:01] <hybrid> only 10 pm here
[05:01] <Xappe> ah, now it arrived
[05:01] <hybrid> lol
[05:01] <AgenT> has anyone had problem installing hoary on qemu? it gets almost half way into the install and then qemu seq faults... any ideas? using qemu 0.6.2 compiled on gentoo :)
[05:02] <hybrid> omg
[05:02] <tritium> AgenT, did you see the wiki page on that?
[05:02] <inc_> sup room
[05:02] <mebaran151> hey
[05:02] <tritium> hey
[05:02] <mebaran151> anybody have any idea why my sound suddenly stopped working
[05:02] <mebaran151> I checked the mixers
[05:02] <mebaran151> even alsamixer
[05:03] <inc_> sound is evil
[05:03] <mebaran151> and I am pretty sure it is not muted
[05:03] <AgenT> tritium: do you mean the howto install on qemu wiki page or is there another? that wiki page says nothing about seg faults from what i remember
[05:03] <mebaran151> esd is on
[05:03] <mebaran151> inc_, yes it is
[05:03] <mebaran151> but I happen to be Satan
[05:03] <mebaran151> so you know how it is
[05:03] <mebaran151> but I digress
[05:03] <Xappe> ah nice, the linuxdcpp seems to be based on dc++ 0.668...
[05:03] <tritium> AgenT, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-qemu/
[05:03] <mebaran151> any stale socket that could do this thing
[05:03] <hybrid> tritium it went up to 23 days for a split sec
[05:03] <inc_> didn't you sell evil to microsoft?
[05:03] <bitfoo> esd is evil :|
[05:03] <mebaran151> inc_, yeah
[05:03] <mebaran151> I sort of did
[05:03] <randabis> use polypaudio :)
[05:03] <hybrid> i hate these estimated time remaining
[05:03] <mebaran151> gave them the rights witha eula
[05:03] <mebaran151> my alsa doesnt seem to be working though
[05:03] <tritium> hybrid, :O
[05:04] <inc_> lol
[05:04] <mebaran151> because directed mplayer out it
[05:04] <inc_> try rebooting.. usually works for me
[05:04] <hybrid> lol
[05:04] <mebaran151> and it still makes no noice
[05:04] <mebaran151> I have rebooted about 50 times
[05:04] <bitfoo> hmm :|
[05:04] <hybrid> went do to 17 hr then tho lol
[05:04] <hybrid> whacked
[05:04] <bitfoo> did you disable sound server on startup
[05:04] <bitfoo> maybe try gstreamer-properties switched to also
[05:04] <hybrid> no wonder the debian sign also means CRAZY
[05:05] <bitfoo> mplayer -ao alsa ?
[05:05] <mebaran151> bitfoo
[05:05] <bitfoo> :(
[05:05] <mebaran151> nope
[05:05] <mebaran151> bitfoo
[05:05] <mebaran151> yep
[05:05] <AgenT> tritium: followed that, except i used a little more memory (have some to spare) and bypassed the network stuff
[05:05] <mebaran151> I did that
[05:05] <inc_> i too have issues with sound.. my cd player work.. listining to it now, but mp3 don't play
[05:05] <tritium> AgenT, oh...
[05:05] <mebaran151> mplayer -ao (an mp3)
[05:05] <bitfoo> inc_, what are you using to play mp3 :|
[05:05] <tritium> AgenT, I've only tried qemu with the LiveCD.
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: mplayer -ao esd
[05:05] <tritium> AgenT, I can't get X to start, though.
[05:05] <inc_> that rythembox or xmms or mplayer
[05:05] <AgenT> tritium: any ideas? i also tried more than one hoary live cd.... one "official" and one daily
[05:06] <bitfoo> it dont play on xmms? :|
[05:06] <inc_> xmms and mplayer seem to freeze.. rythembox gives and error that it can't wriet to file
[05:06] <tritium> AgenT, no, I haven't seen qemu segfault
[05:06] <AgenT> tritium: errr... i didnt mean live cd i meant install cd above :)
[05:06] <hybrid> 49710 days omfg omfg that waz wierd
[05:06] <bitfoo> ok for xmms rightclick go to preferences and switch the output to esd :|
[05:06] <bitfoo> i think
[05:06] <bitfoo> :|
[05:06] <bitfoo> hybrid i had that happen before
[05:07] <tritium> hybrid, your CDs from shipit will arrive before that
[05:07] <mebaran151> I might just try a reinstall
[05:07] <hybrid> lol
[05:07] <inc_> well i went into gstreamer-properties and i get an error connecting to pipe when trying to use esd
[05:07] <bitfoo> when i startup sometimes it says "it has been 49710 days since your file system was checked"
[05:07] <bitfoo> :|
[05:07] <mike_> I heard that getupdates had been ported to Ubuntu and a release might be soon. Does anyone have any more information on that?
[05:07] <tritium> mebaran151, did you inspect any of the logs in /var/log
[05:07] <tritium> ?
[05:07] <AgenT> tritium: i also tried 2 live cd's and to tell you the truth it did not work for me... i think it froze at one point and the other gave me 640x480 desktop... but it did work on a different pc
[05:07] <mebaran151> tritium
[05:07] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:07] <mebaran151> dont see anything really alsa relatedc
[05:07] <mebaran151> it all says
[05:07] <mebaran151> alsa loaded
[05:07] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:07] <mebaran151> its good
[05:08] <Dreamer3> is ubuntu kernel source on the install CD?
[05:08] <tritium> mebaran151, esd is running for sure?
[05:08] <AgenT> tritium: what do you mean you used qemu with the live cd? how does that work? you mean qemu inside the live cd or do you mean you booted the live cd inside qemu... and if so, why?
[05:08] <farruinn> Dreamer3: I don't think any source packages are on the install cd
[05:08] <tritium> AgenT, I booted the LiveCD with qemu just to test out the new array-4
[05:09] <Dreamer3> farruinn: hmmmmmmmm
[05:09] <AgenT> tritium: ahhh.... okay :)
[05:09] <AgenT> tritium: out of curiousity, what version of qemu did you use?
[05:09] <tritium> AgenT, you're trying to install ubuntu on top of Gentoo?
[05:09] <inc_> bitfoo: know how to check to make sure esd is running
[05:09] <hybrid> what is array-4
[05:09] <farruinn> anyone use vlc to watch a divx movie? When I run vlc I get "Illegal instruction"
[05:09] <Dreamer3> yes, it is :)
[05:09] <tritium> AgenT, 0.6.1
[05:10] <tritium> ps aux | grep esd
[05:10] <farruinn> Dreamer3: the source is on the disc?
[05:10] <AgenT> tritium: im trying to install ubuntu inside qemu... qemu is installed in gentoo, yes :)
[05:10] <inc_> i get this Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon' in gstreamer properties
[05:10] <inc_> lol ps.. hmm that's one way hehe
[05:10] <mebaran151> inc_, run the command esd
[05:10] <mebaran151> if esd is on
[05:10] <Dreamer3> farruinn: for the kernel yes
[05:10] <AgenT> tritium: i also installed a dif os without trouble in qemu
[05:10] <mebaran151> it will complain you are trying to run it
[05:11] <randabis> hybrid it's the latest milestone release of hoary
[05:11] <inc_> it's not
[05:11] <z44k4> Any GRUB experts feel like helping me get my system dual-booting Ubuntu and Linux? :)
[05:11] <mebaran151> also
[05:11] <Dreamer3> farruinn: oh wait
[05:11] <Dreamer3> farruinn: maybe not
[05:11] <z44k4> I mean, Ubuntu and Windows? :)
[05:11] <mebaran151> heheh
[05:11] <mebaran151> where does windows rest
[05:11] <randabis> z44k4 www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:11] <z44k4> Damn, Freudian slip there.  I can't even SAY Windows. Hahaha
[05:11] <tritium> AgenT, how about installing in chroot?
[05:11] <mebaran151> and do you have to hdd
[05:11] <mebaran151> two
[05:11] <mebaran151> the guide is good though
[05:11] <z44k4> Ubuntu is on sda and Windows is on sdb.
[05:11] <mebaran151> I forgot about it
[05:11] <mebaran151> oh
[05:11] <mebaran151> same setup with me
[05:11] <inc_> $ esd
[05:11] <inc_> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[05:12] <hybrid> hey yall i g2g
[05:12] <hybrid> ttyl
[05:12] <Dreamer3> just when i thought i might get DRI working tonight
[05:12] <inc_> cya hybrid
[05:12] <hybrid> later tritium
[05:12] <z44k4> Windows boots fine when it's the only drive connected, but when I connect the Ubuntu drive (as sda), I can't get GRUB to boot Windows off sdb.
[05:12] <AgenT> tritium: how would that work? how do you boot an install cd and have it install in chroot then have ubuntu boot like normal inside chroot?
[05:13] <mebaran151> ok
[05:13] <mebaran151> anyone know if I can pull some dbg from esd
[05:13] <mebaran151> I killed it
[05:13] <Dark_Kyo> how to share a ressources between two PC under ubuntu, it's possible via samba?
[05:13] <mebaran151> to see if it helps
[05:13] <tritium> AgenT, I'd have to sit down with some documentation on that one.