[00:03] <BarkingFish> hi guys - just a word to the wise, something in the latest set of updates for raring is busted.  Apper won't download python-pycurl, claims packages are left unconfigured. if you deselct it, something else breaks, etc, ad infinitum, until you're left only upgrading firefox.
[00:06] <Riddell> we've never used apper
[00:06] <Riddell> try muon
[00:08] <BarkingFish> i've never used muon. i don't even have it installed.  i used kpackage until it vanished and apper took over, then carried on with apper :)
[00:09] <BarkingFish> i'll try doing it in a tty - that's solved most things before :)
[00:11] <BarkingFish> and as predicted, that fixed it.
[00:11] <BarkingFish> :P
[00:26] <BarkingFish> ok, that's got most of it fixed.  still a little strange though - there's a new kernel in the update, 3.8.0-2, which has been kept back, and I can't figure out why.
[00:27] <yofel> how did you upgrade when it was kept back?
[00:27] <BarkingFish> tty, yofel - apper was being a pain in the privates
[00:27] <yofel> if you ran apt-get upgrade that won't install new kernels, dist-upgrade will
[00:28] <BarkingFish> that'll be why then.
[00:28] <BarkingFish> thanks
[00:28] <yofel> reason: the kernel image is a new package, only the meta package is really *upgraded*
[00:28] <yofel> and "upgrade" won't install anything new
[00:30] <BarkingFish> I hope ndiswrapper will build against 3.8.0-2 :)  I never figured out why it wouldn't build against 3.8.0-1 last night
[00:32] <yofel> there a buildlog for the dkms module somewhere which should tell why
[00:32] <BarkingFish> the answer to that is... no. It hasn't.  "Bad return status for module build on kernel 3.8.0-2-generic (i686)"
[00:32] <BarkingFish> yeah, just about to take a peek
[00:34] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1574501/
[00:37] <BarkingFish> looks like a problem with the code.  I might drop away from 1.58rc1 and go back to 1.58
[00:43] <BarkingFish> oh this is getting silly.   this is trying to build 1.58
[00:43] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1574515/
[00:43] <BarkingFish> .
[00:44]  * BarkingFish bangs his head repeatedly against his desk
[00:44] <yofel> possibly something it looks for got removed in 3.8
[00:44] <BarkingFish> i hope not, or I am permanently screwed
[00:45] <BarkingFish> there is no driver for the ar5523 - without ndiswrapper, i am shot.
[00:45] <yofel> well, someone already filed bug 1106051
[00:47] <BarkingFish> ok, well i'm subscribing to that now - i'll keep watch there
[01:16]  * BarkingFish happy happy happy happy happy happy happy :D
[01:16] <BarkingFish> I don't need ndiswrapper anymore.
[01:17] <BarkingFish> As of kernel 3.8.0-2-generic, there is now an ar5523 module
[01:18]  * BarkingFish bounces up and down like a roo on a pogo stick
[01:31] <apachelogger> hooray for free drivers
[01:35] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, you bet.  I've been using ndiswrapper for almost 8 years, and finally a working ar552 driver pops up.  I can't deny i'll miss ndiswrapper's little foibles and general pain in the arse-ness, but this is about the best day since I dropped windows 11 years ago.
[01:35] <BarkingFish> *ar5523
[01:36] <BarkingFish> especially since ndiswrapper's dkms module wouldn't build on 3.8.0-2 - this sorta turned up at the right time
[01:49] <BarkingFish> night guys, i'm out to get some sleep :) 2.50am here :P
[03:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it seems that rbelem didn't add the description and I didn't double check
[09:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: need to use ec2
[11:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you there?
[11:42] <yofel> more or less yes
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do you have access to the ec2?
[11:43] <yofel> no
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[11:44] <yofel> if anything I can get you an account on my server, has reasonable amount of bandwidth, but your sudo permissions would be limited to pbuilder
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i think Riddell has added a wrong key of mine and i am denied access
[11:45] <yofel> is it even running?
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: not sure
[11:45] <yofel> probably not then
[11:45] <yofel> pm
[11:45] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: when did you request the instance?
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: if it is not running then how come it can give a key fingerprint
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: hi
[11:46] <shadeslayer> hey :)
[11:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: huzzah, PA3 is up
[11:46] <shadeslayer> almost all of it
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: Riddell gave me naturally as you mentioned
[11:46] <yofel> hm, dunno, I don't know much about ec2
[11:46] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: no, I mean *when*
[11:46] <shadeslayer> not to mention
[11:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: \o/
[11:46] <shadeslayer> since the IP addresses are shared
[11:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: 2 days back
[11:47] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: probably shut down then
[11:47] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: it's basically use and throw instances
[11:47] <shadeslayer> once you're done, you shut them down and someone can spin a new instance and it might get the same address
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I have asked Riddell to add my key and i have 2 keys in launchpad, i think he might have added the wrong one
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[11:48] <shadeslayer> which is why you get a fingerprint on your konsole, but the fingerprint is different since it's a new instance
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[11:48] <shadeslayer> with a different ssh instance
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok now understand
[11:48] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: So we should request Riddell everytime need one
[11:49] <shadeslayer> more or less
[11:49] <shadeslayer> and shut it down once you're done
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: it was a blizz working with a 40 mbps connection
[11:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:49] <shadeslayer> one other way to speed up builds is by doing in memory builds
[11:50] <shadeslayer> but then you need alot of RAM for that
[11:50] <yofel> talking abou thtat
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: only thing that is bad for me is i have a 400ms delay in char echo
[11:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:50] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: mosh ftw
[11:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: any idea why eatmydata wouldn't work?
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> i am getting my log filled by it
[11:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: no idea
[11:51] <yofel> I tried to make phoenix_firebrd enable it, but it only kept throwing errors that the so isn't there, even though it seemed installed (from what he said)
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: need the log?
[11:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its just this "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libeatmydata/libeatmydata.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored."
[11:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you try making sure LD_PRELOAD had the lib in it's path
[11:52] <yofel> not really
[11:52] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:52] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i checked it and it was in the patch
[11:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: if works fine for me, that's why I'm confused
[11:52] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: and ldd loads it without a problem
[11:52] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: in the path *inside* pbuilder, right?
[11:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya, we checked together, you forgot
[11:53] <yofel> no, just wanted to double check
[11:53] <yofel> as this doesn't make sense
[11:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check it one more time
[11:55] <phoenix_firebrd>  the lib is in its path and it ldd shows no problem
[11:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: how do i replace the default editor used by quilt, i put "EDITOR=kate" in quilltrc. thats not working
[11:57] <yofel> what would quilt need an editor for?
[11:57] <shadeslayer> quilt edit ?
[11:57] <yofel> never used that
[11:58] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[11:58] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: try putting : export EDITOR=kate : in bashrc
[11:58] <yofel> ^
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> i will try
[12:01] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: works
[12:01] <shadeslayer> awesome
[12:03] <phoenix_firebrd> i can see probably in some debian/patches files the original file is in source.orig dir and the new file is in the source dir why is this?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> I usually setup quilt by following : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html
[12:04] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: patch strips out the first part of the path when used with -p1
[12:04] <yofel> same here, except a few things removed that pinotree said were nonsense
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh? like?
[12:05] <yofel> --no-index
[12:05] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: have a read through the -pnum option in the patch man page
[12:05] <yofel> that was like ages ago though so don't ask me for the reasoning
[12:05] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:07] <phoenix_firebrd> I am not able to understand what you said, i will post the original patch and the new patch created by me take a look at it
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the old one -->http://paste.kde.org/657410/
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> this is the new one created my me -> http://paste.kde.org/657422/
[12:09] <shadeslayer> looks the same
[12:09] <shadeslayer> except it adds an index
[12:09] <yofel> because he has my quiltrc
[12:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:09] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: look at the new and original file locations
[12:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: in the original patch
[12:10] <yofel> same?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ^
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: sorry
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> i added the wtrong one as original file
[12:11] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: or did you mean something like this: http://paste.kde.org/657428 ?
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: exactly
[12:12] <yofel> what's what you get if you don't use "-p ab" in quilt diff
[12:12] <yofel> and your quiltrc sets that
[12:12] <yofel> *that's
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: he's talking about the path stripping stuff right?
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: when i uupdate, the default patch files are like this
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> why fuzz is not allowed patching?
[12:14] <yofel> well, it's the default setting to have it with .orig
[12:14] <yofel> not sure why uupdate would use that though
[12:15] <yofel> not sure, from man 1 dpkg-source:
[12:15] <yofel>        Contrary  to  quilt's default behaviour, patches are expected to apply without any fuzz. When that is not the case, you should refresh such patches with
[12:15] <yofel>        quilt, or dpkg-source will error out while trying to apply them
[12:16] <shadeslayer> oh fun, that explains why builds fail when there is fuzz
[12:16] <yofel> wait, you didn't know that? :D
[12:16] <shadeslayer> let's just say I didn't realize that it was documented behavior
[12:16] <yofel> heh
[12:16] <shadeslayer> I thought it was some sort of feature that was missing
[12:17] <yofel> I think it did change at some point
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: here is a build log of texi2html http://paste.kde.org/657434/     do you see anything odd or everything is ok
[12:17] <yofel> as it did with dpkg-source not auto-committing manual changes anymore
[12:18] <yofel> *blink*
[12:18] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: ok, I think I know what's causing *those* LD errors
[12:18] <yofel> is eatmydata installed in your regular system?
[12:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: install?
[12:19] <yofel> yeah, that'll probably help
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[12:19] <yofel> as the pbuilder scripts need to run a few commands on the host system (like ln for the debs)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> "Need to get 969 MB/1,088 MB of archives."
[12:20] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: should i update pbuilder?
[12:20] <yofel> nope
[12:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: upgrading? ^^
[12:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I am needing the ec2 for the same purpose
[12:21] <shadeslayer> upgrading after a long time
[12:21] <shadeslayer> about 10-15 days
[12:21] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: actually I'm upgrading my system :P
[12:21] <shadeslayer> not pbuilder
[12:21] <yofel> oh, now that's a lot then...
[12:21] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:22] <shadeslayer> didn't even upgrade KDE
[12:22] <shadeslayer> so most of it is that
[12:22] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: some of the apps need some java stuff pre installed before building in the system
[12:22] <shadeslayer> wot
[12:22] <yofel> if you build jar's you will need java...
[12:22] <shadeslayer> anyway, have to go, ciao
[12:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: but he said pre-installed
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> no somethink called maven-repo-buildhelper
[12:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: and by pre-installed I infer before dpkg installs build-dep
[12:23] <shadeslayer> *build-deps
[12:23] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: ^ ?
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[12:23] <yofel> odd
[12:23] <yofel> if maven needs it then it's supposed to pre-depend on java
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its simple-http
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Pre-Depends ... heh
[12:24] <yofel> doesn't matter, maven is a build system for java, ofcourse it would need java to work
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: this is the package maven_repo_helper
[12:25] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: what's the problem exactly
[12:25] <yofel> maven-repo-helper does depend on default-jre-headless, does it fail to install?
[12:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: my slow internet connection
[12:26] <yofel> ok
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: then i tried to login to ec2 and failed and i halted building it now
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the error stop
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: it worked
[12:29] <yofel> good, I forgot about that possibility :/
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what does fsync do and by not using that what does get affected?
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what does fsync do and by not using that what does get affected?
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what does fsync do and by not using that what does get affected?
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> oops
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> I am i disconnected?
[12:31] <tsimpson> fsync flushes any cache buffers to the disk
[12:31] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: thats what i thought
[12:32] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: so is fsync called every 10 sec?
[12:34] <tsimpson> I think it depends on how much I/O there is, but something like that
[12:38] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: what will happen if i disable fsync?
[12:39] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: data in the buffer will be written only when unmounting and manually flushing?
[12:40] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: that's my understanding, yes
[12:40] <tsimpson> and only flushed if the files aren't removed, like they would be when pbuilder is done
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: I am working in a desktop with no backup power
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: this wont be good for me
[12:42] <tsimpson> though the kernel will probably flush at some interval
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: are you sure?
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: is it just for the ext or it applies to all types
[12:43] <tsimpson> well it only has a finite amount of memory to keep the buffer in
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: thats right
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is it compulsary that the files in the debian/patches to have an extensaion .patch or .diff is ok?
[12:45] <tsimpson> I can't see it being a problem, it would only effect things run with that LD_PRELOAD in the environment
[12:45] <tsimpson> so it won't effect the rest of the systems calls to fsync
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: ok
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is it compulsary that the files in the debian/patches to have an extensaion .patch or .diff is ok?
[12:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: sorry, was away
[12:59] <yofel> the files there are named .diff or .patch by convention, as that's what they are
[13:00] <yofel> but you'll see both used. I usually use .diff
[13:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok then its time to upload
[13:02] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: as for fsync. fsync will flush modifications to a file to disk. *Immediately*. It's to tell the filesystem not to wait until it would usually write it to disk
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: wow that cools my head
[13:02] <yofel> dpkg runs fsync a lot to make sure its status database files are in a consistent state after a power failure
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: you should note that
[13:03] <yofel> so it runs fsync afer pretty much every modification - several times per package
[13:03] <yofel> in a pbuilder chroot you don't care about consistency, so you don't need fsync either. And disabling it speeds things up a lot
[13:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: nice
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: when you modify the files that i uploaded in my ppa for example the log file do you download, edit and then upload or you just edit it online?
[13:09] <yofel> download, edit, upload
[13:09] <yofel> Launchpad has no online editing feature
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: even when you merge from a branch?
[13:11] <yofel> then I checkout the main branch, and run 'bzr merge <other_branch_url>" which will merge them locally and then I commit and push
[13:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what if when you want to edit the changelog before you merge it with the main branch
[13:13] <yofel> bzr merge will do the merge uncommitted so you can edit it before you push it
[13:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: edit offline?
[13:15] <yofel> yes, you do everything on your local system anyway
[13:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so to confirm, you downloaded from my bazaar branch edited the changelog and then merged with the main, right?
[13:16] <yofel> no, I merged yours, edited the changes and committed the merge
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok, thats clear
[13:17] <yofel> merging a branch doesn't mean you're done. It's just imported as one diff until you commit it
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> right
[13:18] <yofel> (you only notice that it's a merge from the log)
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i was confused about the editing thing, i thought you edited stuff online
[13:19] <yofel> ah no. Launchpad has no editor there, so whatever you do has to be done locally
[13:19] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: now packages in my ppa are only built for i386, why is this happening?
[13:25] <yofel> does the control file have "Achitecture: all" for the binary package?
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check
[13:26] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya it says "All"
[13:26] <yofel> arch all packages are only built on i386 and can later be used on all
[13:26] <yofel> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[13:27] <yofel> it just means that there's nothing architecure-specific in there
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: got it
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so i should any if i want my package to be built for i386 and amd64
[13:29] <yofel> right. The usual situation that you have compiled binaries in "any", and things like images, documentation or scripts in "all"
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[13:30] <yofel> *is that...
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> ?
[13:31] <yofel> just correcting my sentence
[13:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is there a deadline to package these http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html ?
[13:33] <yofel> usually feature freeze, after that you'll need to get an exception for non-bugfix updates
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no not the schedule , for me?
[13:35] <yofel> that counts for anybody
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: also is anyone else is doing, to avoid work duplication
[13:35] <yofel> updates need to in the archive before feature freeze
[13:35] <yofel> oh right, forgot about that
[13:35] <yofel> the common case is to use update request bugs for that
[13:36] <yofel> look at launchpad for the 'upgrade-software-version' tag
[13:37] <yofel> you'll have to file a bug to request sponsorship for a package anyway unless you know someone that can upload it
[13:37] <yofel> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you talking about the source release schedule or the package schedule ?
[13:37] <yofel> what's the difference?
[13:37] <yofel> schedule is
[13:37] <yofel> !schedule
[13:38] <yofel> the freezes are there and apply to every ubuntu contributor
[13:38] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: but the title says "Most popular Ubuntu-specific packages that are not in sync with upstream."
[13:39] <yofel> where?
[13:39] <yofel> on the qa page?
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[13:39] <yofel> ok, sorry, I think I lost the original question in the discussion...
[13:40] <yofel> what were you asking again?
[13:40] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: if you say that the schedule is followed then why are these packages are not not the latest in the repos
[13:40] <yofel> nobody updated them?
[13:40] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[13:40] <yofel> updating packages with ubuntu modifications is a manual process
[13:41] <yofel> and there's a limited amount of packagers, and updating packages isn't the only thing to do
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i thought every package is updated all the time
[13:41] <yofel> well, it depends on who cares about it
[13:42] <yofel> there are dedicated teams for various sets of packages, like us for KDE or mozillateam for firefox and co.
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so the app maintainer doesn't care about this?
[13:42] <yofel> any packages that don't fall into those catecories in universe are maintained by the MOTU's
[13:43] <yofel> packages in main by the core-devs (main packages all have dedicated maintainers though usually)
[13:43] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: what app maintainer?
[13:43] <yofel> it's not the upstream developer's job to make sure all hundreds distributions ship his software
[13:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: example the developer of nano doesn't care if it is update in all the distros ?
[13:44] <yofel> and we have no explicit package maintainers in ubuntu like debian does
[13:44] <yofel> that's his decision
[13:44] <yofel> we have plenty of upstream folks poking us in here to please update the packages
[13:45] <yofel> but that's still a rare case compared to the full list of packages
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: good
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[13:46] <yofel> other than that whether a package is updated or not depend on whether an ubuntu-dev notices it and wants to update it
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is this auto generated or updated by someone? http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[13:48] <yofel> automated I think, but I'm not sure
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: some packages is not the latest in the repos, is that because of the stability taken into account or its not updated simply
[13:50] <yofel> unless there is an update bug mentioning a reason, it's usually latter
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so if a stable version of the gimp is released today i can package and put it in the beta ppa ?
[13:52] <yofel> ppa sure, but if you want to update it for the archive talk to the desktop team first
[13:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am kubuntu beta ppa
[13:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am mean kubuntu beta ppa
[13:55] <yofel> a stable version wouldn't belong in the beta ppa, but the update one.
[13:55] <yofel> you would need to be a ninja first anyway to have upload permission. And our PPA's are for KDE related stuff really
[13:56] <yofel> they don't have unlimited space
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i should put my question like this. why is the gimp not the latest in the normal channel while i have to add a third party ppa to get the latest
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: when i was talking about the ppa , i was talking symbolically
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[13:57] <yofel> looks up to date to me...
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no,  its just an example
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:58] <yofel> well, as long as you own the PPA, you can put in there what you want as long as you don't violate Launchpad's TOS
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: for example when ever a stable digikam version is release, if i want it i have to add some philip ppa to get that
[13:59] <yofel> ah, you shouldn't need that, we try to keep a package for it in our PPA's
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: sorry couldn't understand
[14:00] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: well, I'm not sure what you're asking. Yes, if you want to put an updated version of digikam in your PPA do it
[14:00] <yofel> we do the same
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so you mean that if a stable version of digikam is released, it is packaged and put in the update
[14:02] <yofel> well, it's like this:
[14:02] <yofel> if a new digiakm version comes out, someone of us will put an updated package into the development release
[14:03] <yofel> that is then later backported to the current stable release and possible more in our PPA's
[14:03] <yofel> if it's a safe backport, someone will file a backport request so it ends up in <release>-backports
[14:04] <yofel> there isn't really any more than that to it
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[14:05] <yofel> in what of our PPA's it ends up depends on what kind of update it is. A 2.8.0 -> 2.8.1 update would be bugfix and end up in the updates one. 2.7.0 -> 2.8.0 is something for backports
[14:05] <yofel> the 3.0.0~rc is in the beta ppa
[14:07] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: note that this is the kubuntu team workflow
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: usually i see in the blog, they say a new stable version is released and they give a ppa to get it, i guess thats a zero hour ppas
[14:07] <yofel> firefox for example as a core package gets full official updates for all supported releases in the archive
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[14:08] <yofel> yeah, PPA's are the fastest way to get something out
[14:08] <yofel> providing updates in the archive for anything other than the development release takes a while
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: does kubuntu contribute security patches upstream?
[14:10] <yofel> we try to contribute any patches upstream
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: who is the kubuntu security expert?
[14:11] <yofel> I'm not sure whether we have one...
[14:12] <phoenix_firebrd> oh
[14:12] <yofel> Scott is on the release team and usually knows best what CVE's there are
[14:15] <yofel> ScottK: do we have someone that looks at the security issues beside you?
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in this link the version of xz is shown as alpha in 12.10, is that normal?
[14:20] <yofel> yeah
[14:20] <yofel> !info xz-utils
[14:20] <yofel> it is a snapshot after all
[14:21] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so alpha allowed in main?
[14:22] <yofel> it's the same version as in debian. Maybe dpkg needed some new feature
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[14:23] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: it's up to the maintainer, usually you shouldn't do that, but if it has enough value and no critial bugs it's allowed
[14:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats out of necessity,ok
[14:24] <yofel> and i would assume that this got plenty of discussion in debian considering it's importance
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: texi2html is in my ppa, just 1 package in 2 days, because of the republic day holiday and today is sunday.
[14:28] <yofel> 0.5 packages-per-day is far higher than my quota
[14:29] <yofel> but then again I wasted the weekend on python and project neon
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the project-neon is the best thing
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: my mind is confined to c++
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: also BASIC
[14:30] <yofel> yeah, better stick to that, the pyhon bindings are a packaging insanity
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: apper is python
[14:32] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: muon replaced apper because it was not c++
[14:32] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: why is that so?
[14:32] <Quintasan> omfg I passed calculus
[14:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Quintasan: congrats
[14:32] <yofel> that wasn't really the primary reason, the packagekit apt backend stucking was a more important one
[14:32] <yofel> *sucking
[14:33] <Quintasan> I HAVE ABSLOLUTELY NO IDEA what did I write there
[14:33] <yofel> Quintasan++
[14:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya, qapt is awesome
[14:33] <Quintasan> I succesfully calculated one integral and did some deriviatives
[14:33] <Quintasan> nothing more and I got 12/20 points
[14:33] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: have fun reading python-qt4-4.9.6/debian/rules : http://paste.kde.org/657524 (very educative ;P )
[14:33] <Quintasan> this is either magic or I actually get what's going in there
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> bookmarked
[14:34] <yofel> it'll expire soon, so just look at the package
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> i will include it with my homework :)
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[14:34] <yofel> well, you don't really need to understand it...
[14:35] <yofel> or rather you won't understand it until you know how gnu make handles pattern matching, substitutional references and function calls
[14:35] <yofel> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html recommended
[14:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the top priority in things to learn by me is cmake
[14:38] <yofel> good idea, we're spending plenty of time debugging upstream buildsystems ;)
[14:39] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[14:39] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: does publishing a built package in a ppa need an admin approval?
[14:40] <yofel> no, it's a cronjob that runs every half an hour or so
[14:40] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[14:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I think i forgot to debuild after i updated the changelog
[14:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I am going to delete the package in the ppa and rename the version from 5.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 to ?
[14:46] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[14:48] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: why delete it, just change it to ppa2
[14:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[14:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the old file name was 01_remove_doc_dir.patch and the new file name is 01_remove_doc_dir.diff. the changelog should reflect as "Refresh 01_remove_doc_dir.diff for the new release"?
[14:54] <yofel> in a case where you just refresh a patch don't rename it
[14:54] <yofel> otherwise yes
[14:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in the process got renamed, what should i put in the log
[14:56] <yofel> why was it renamed?
[14:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: when creating a patch with quilt , i forgot to use the the extension .patch and it was named with an extension .diff by default
[14:57] <yofel> just rename it back
[14:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: will that work?
[14:57] <yofel> as long as you also change it in the series file, yes
[14:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i will try that
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: works
[15:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: going to bed, good night
[15:04] <yofel> gn
[15:13] <sheytan> apachelogger: is your work on U1 for kubuntu done?
[15:13] <sheytan> i mean, did you drop it?
[15:14] <apachelogger> ages ago
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:15] <shadeslayer> use owncloud
[15:17] <apachelogger> owncloud, love of my life
[15:21] <sheytan> apachelogger: im going to
[15:21] <sheytan> but i need my own server, right?
[15:21] <sheytan> or a space i bought on someone else's server
[15:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:23] <shadeslayer> or
[15:23] <shadeslayer> runners-id.com
[15:23] <shadeslayer> 5 GB of free space
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ( shameless plug for a Blue Systems sponsored service :P )
[15:24] <apachelogger> "give us your data pretty please"
[15:25] <shadeslayer> it's not as if *I* have access to it
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I don't even know who runs it :P
[15:25] <apachelogger> that's what you claim
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :>
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I will hax0r your runners-id account
[15:25] <shadeslayer> and steal all your dataz\
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:27] <Tm_T> I just configure U1 account once with that gui client and after that it just works
[15:27] <Tm_T> so I'm not sure anymore what work or integration it would need necessarily
[15:27] <apachelogger> no one does
[15:30] <sheytan> :D:D
[15:30] <apachelogger> FWIW I think you can get an owncloud as cheap as 2 euros a month or something
[15:30] <sheytan> that is 8 PLN for me :D
[15:30] <sheytan> it's 2 good beers
[15:30] <sheytan> i cant afford that
[15:30] <sheytan> sorry
[15:31] <apachelogger> 2 beers vs. free data
[15:31] <apachelogger> we'll take the beer, thank you very much
[15:32] <sheytan> btw, i have to work for an hour to earn that much money :D
[15:32] <sheytan> welcome to Poland :D
[15:32] <apachelogger> downloading mono for wine takes forevr
[15:32] <sheytan> what you use wine for?
[15:32] <apachelogger> getting drunk
[15:32] <sheytan> oh
[15:32] <sheytan> stupid question
[15:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: you probably don't need a cloud storage then btw
[15:33] <tsimpson> you get drunk, then you get mono
[15:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: i do! :D
[15:33] <sheytan> well, in my case i get some more money for one hour of work
[15:33] <sheytan> but in Poland usually you get even less then 2 eur
[15:33] <apachelogger> ...storing porn in the cloud is not wise
[15:34] <sheytan> i stream. always.
[15:35] <apachelogger> you don't need a cloud then
[15:38]  * shadeslayer needs the cloud for contact storage
[15:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, i use other files too ;d
[15:39] <sheytan> not only p0rn
[15:39] <apachelogger> so why do they need to be in the coud?
[15:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't you use googleseee for that?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> I do
[15:40] <shadeslayer> I fear I'm too tied into Google
[15:40] <shadeslayer> I'm more or less at the mercy of Google :P
[15:40] <apachelogger> personally I have almost no value from synced addressbooks
[15:41] <apachelogger> people I send mails to I usually do not call and vice versa
[15:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:41] <apachelogger> though I suspect it is one of the arears where cloud sync actually adds value
[15:41] <apachelogger> from a business perspective at least
[15:42] <apachelogger> for the regular person I still think the mail && !call statement holds, particular since I suppose most people don't use mail anymore ^^
[15:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: i have files like documents and pictures i need to have access to
[15:48] <sheytan> and my problem is that i forget to put them on a pendrive or something
[15:48] <sheytan> so i better save it as default in the dropbox folder
[15:48] <sheytan> so they automatically sync
[15:50] <sheytan> does owncloud sync notes too?
[15:52] <apachelogger> owncloud supports arbitrary plugins
[15:59] <sheytan> apachelogger: you askd me last time when i showd the lightdm theme if i talk to Nuno. Why?
[16:00] <apachelogger> sheytan: because we continue to follow upstream's artwork
[16:00] <sheytan> ah
[16:00] <sheytan> ok
[16:01] <sheytan> apachelogger: but KDE didn't switch to lightdm or did they?
[16:01] <apachelogger> lightdm is a kde project
[16:02] <sheytan> so KDM is out ?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> afaik both kdm and lightdm will be in kde-workspace
[16:02] <apachelogger> plus nuno wanted to do some artwork alignment for 4.11
[16:02] <shadeslayer> or atleast that's what d_ed is aiming for
[16:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nuno also advocates lightdm from what I understand
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I see, probably because of QML stuff though :P
[16:03] <apachelogger> that is a fair assumption :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> what I'm saying is, KDM will be around though probably not actively developed
[16:03] <shadeslayer> lightdm offers the exact same feature set with the added niceness of QML
[16:03] <shadeslayer> and being actively developed
[16:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer: already saw my new lightdm theme? :)
[16:04] <shadeslayer> though the latter is probably the result of the project being quite new
[16:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yes, imho it clashes with Air
[16:04] <shadeslayer> dark backgrounds + Air don't go well together
[16:04] <sheytan> i have a light version too :D
[16:04] <sheytan> first i was doing dark, cause i done it for my desktop ;)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> but then again, you can change the background
[16:05] <shadeslayer> so meh
[16:05] <shadeslayer> and the login manager should be as un-obtrusive as possible
[16:06] <shadeslayer> like, Users should have big avatars
[16:06] <shadeslayer> and password boxes
[16:06] <shadeslayer> since that's the focus ... hibernating/shutdown/sleeping are just added extras
[16:07] <shadeslayer> oh and we need to figure out if we can support RDP stuff
[16:07] <sheytan> i'm not a fan of big things
[16:07] <shadeslayer> like they showed off at UDS
[16:07] <shadeslayer> that stuff was awesome
[16:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rdpwhat?
[16:07] <sheytan> they don't look good
[16:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer: what did they show?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they established a RDP session right from the login manager
[16:07] <sheytan> can i see it?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> so they logged into a Windows session running on EC2
[16:08] <shadeslayer> from lightdm
[16:08] <shadeslayer> lemme see if I can pull up the video
[16:08] <sheytan> sure
[16:08] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:08] <apachelogger> things people do with a login manager
[16:11] <shadeslayer> can't find it
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: actually, it makes sense in a business env
[16:12] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://zbloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/remote-login-lightdm-ubuntu1210.png
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does it?
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have some proprietary service tied into Windows
[16:13] <shadeslayer> but you have ubuntu deployed across your office
[16:14] <shadeslayer> so you just setup EC2 and provide access to that one windows machine
[16:14] <shadeslayer> where that service is running
[16:14] <apachelogger> so you logout and then login again to get to a windows session?
[16:14] <apachelogger> that's a funny concept
[16:14] <shadeslayer> well ... you could spawn a new session
[16:14] <shadeslayer> like you can do in KDE
[16:14] <apachelogger> so you can easily switch back to your ubuntu session?
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh wait
[16:14] <apachelogger> you can't
[16:14] <shadeslayer> wot
[16:15] <shadeslayer> no I mean
[16:15] <apachelogger> I know what you mean
[16:15] <shadeslayer> spawn a new X
[16:15] <shadeslayer> X1 is running unity
[16:15] <apachelogger> and it is fom a usage perspective exactly the same as logout and login
[16:15] <shadeslayer> X2 is running RDP session
[16:15] <shadeslayer> hm, idk, it made alot of sense to me to have the remote login thingy
[16:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:16] <apachelogger> in a thin client setup
[16:16] <shadeslayer> something KDE fails at ? :P
[16:16] <apachelogger> at the point where I roll out a system that has multiarch on a thin client setup I'll shoot mysefl in the head though
[16:16] <apachelogger> doubtlessly there are people who'd do that though
[16:16] <shadeslayer> apparently KDE does too much network IO in a thin client setup
[16:18] <apachelogger> plasma does too much IO
[16:18] <apachelogger> so how do you make the touchpad deactivate when typing?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:19] <shadeslayer> synaptiks
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I think
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just get one of these http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570?crid=8
[16:20] <Mamarok> asking here as this was probably screwed by the last update: I try to isntall simon and get this error message:
[16:20] <Mamarok> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:97 (MESSAGE):
[16:20] <Mamarok>   Could NOT find ALSA (missing: ALSA_LIBRARY ALSA_INCLUDE_DIR)
[16:20] <Mamarok> how can it not find alsa?
[16:20] <Mamarok> on Quantal that is^
[16:21] <apachelogger> -DLIB_SUFFIX=/x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so every kubuntu users is supposed to buy one of those?
[16:22] <Mamarok> apachelogger: right, so I have to change the build script...
[16:23] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I'd argue that findalsa.cmake is broken
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: every laptop user
[16:23] <shadeslayer> touchpads are crap
[16:23] <apachelogger> libasound is in a multiarch path, so likely that is whythe finder does not find it
[16:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's why all laptops should have a trackpoint
[16:25] <shadeslayer> idk ... that nub seems slightly unreliable
[16:25] <shadeslayer> not to mention difficult to find in the dark
[16:25] <shadeslayer> trackballs++
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you know if {latest-tag} in recipes has ever worked?
[16:27] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that didn't really help
[16:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/129687230/buildlog.txt.gz
[16:28] <Mamarok> still the same error
[16:28] <yofel> what the hell is that?
[16:28] <Mamarok> and yes, I erased the build folder :)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: tomahawk daily build recipe
[16:29] <apachelogger> Mamarok: dunno then
[16:29] <yofel> I meant latest-tag
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:30] <yofel> oh
[16:30] <shadeslayer> last tagged version in git?
[16:30] <yofel> where's the recipe?
[16:30] <ScottK> yofel: Riddell has done it as well.
[16:30] <yofel> ok
[16:30] <ScottK> It's something we all need to be mindful of.
[16:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's ~tomahawk-importer?
[16:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: huh? we have hash tags now?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> probably a cronjob that apachelogger setup
[16:33] <yofel> ah
[16:33] <apachelogger> yus
[16:33] <apachelogger> magic machine
[16:33] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~tomahawk-importer/tomahawk/master
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: stop stealing karma
[16:33] <apachelogger> omomnom
[16:33] <apachelogger> it's my script that does all the work!!!
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that might also explain why it crashes
[16:33] <yofel> no
[16:33] <apachelogger> who crashes?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> bzr
[16:34] <apachelogger> when does bzr crash?  It still ships 0.6.0
[16:38] <yofel> the question is rather why it defaults to 0.3
[16:38] <apachelogger> it does not default to it, the recipe says 0.3
[16:38] <yofel> a new default recipe uses 0.3. It doesn't use any 0.4 features though
[16:39] <yofel> nobody cared to update it I guess
[16:40]  * apachelogger sighs
[16:41] <apachelogger> Mamarok: there is, once I get a newer release out
[16:41] <apachelogger> which is now blocked for almost 2 months by lack of QA
[16:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: release beta -> get feedback -> release RC -> get feedback -> release
[16:43] <apachelogger> that does not work for a plugin of a middleware library
[16:44] <apachelogger> unless the get feedback phases are meant to be >6 months
[16:44] <shadeslayer> mm
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I'm sleeping
[16:44] <shadeslayer> night
[16:45] <apachelogger> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/129693501/buildlog.txt.gz
[16:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nini
[16:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lunchpad is trolling you
[16:46] <apachelogger> I know
[16:46] <apachelogger> we should write more software in python I think
[16:46] <shadeslayer> you mean in ECMA script
[16:47] <apachelogger> no
[16:47] <apachelogger> python
[16:47] <apachelogger> in fact, we should write an OS in python
[20:23] <BarkingFish> evening :)  anyone else have the problem with an unmet dependency in the last round of updates on raring?


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[20:42] <user|81> if i dual boot onto another nvme, is that going to make me lose my mbr for my nvme with windows on it? i tried dual booting ubuntu last year and it caused me to lose access to my nvme with windows.
[20:46] <bprompt> user|81: how fast is your cpu?
[20:46] <user|81> 3700x
[20:46] <bprompt> 3700x? is that an intel?  I mean, trying to get a dating on it
[20:46] <user|81> amd 3700x
[20:48] <bprompt> user|81: oooook, seems like a machine from 2019 or so, so is fairly new, thus it uses most likely UEFI and your storage is GPT, so there's no MBR booting per se, is all UEFI
[20:50] <bprompt> user|81: and on UEFI the booting mechanism from what I know, sticks to storing bootables in the EFI partition, namely the 1st partition of the HDD, chances are is an SDD
[20:50] <user|81> no, 2 nvme's
[20:50] <user|81> this isnt a store bought machine
[20:51] <user|81> thanks for your help


[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126207 in democracyplayer (universe) "democracyplayer.real crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126207
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126208 in Ubuntu "CH Products USB Yoke and Pedals not working under kernel 2.6.20-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126208
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126210 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  ChatSniff" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126210
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126211 in gnome-panel (main) "only 2 workspaces available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126211
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #126214 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "suspend to ram 2.6.22-8" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126214
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126220 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[regression]  wireless card does not work in gutsy, ma311" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126220
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126222 in dwm (universe) "Please sync dwm (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126222
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126225 in evolution (main) "e. does update mail in preview view" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126225
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126226 in mon (universe) "mon: New upstream release 1.2.0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126226
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126227 in Ubuntu "Kernel Panic on boot after automatic disk check" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126227
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126228 in oggconvert (universe) "Please update oggconvert to <IP_ADDRESS>" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126228
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126231 in Ubuntu "gnome-control-center crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126231
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126233 in Ubuntu "Open office writer Document Recovery" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126233
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126234 in udev (main) "Udev Package missing debug info package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126234
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126236 in brasero (universe) "brasero 0.6.0 is not able to change the directory columns (thunar)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126236
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126243 in Ubuntu "Ethernet not found on 6.06LTS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126243
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126249 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "dell m1210 sound completely broken - gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126249
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126251 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia-settings menu item missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126251
[07:17] <Hobbsee> !logs
[07:17] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126255 in xserver-xgl (universe) "FTBFS" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126255
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126258 in gcc-defaults (main) "VDKBuilder problem with g++4:4.1.2-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126258
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126261 in kaffeine (main) "all video players hang" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126261
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126263 in libfcgi-ruby (universe) "rails + apache2 + fcgi: Default Rails application fails with "ActionController::RoutingError (no route found to match "/" with {:method=>:get})"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126263
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #126266 in kde4libs (universe) "depends on wrong giflib" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126266
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126268 in poker-network (universe) "poker2d crashes during startup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126268
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126271 in banshee (universe) "FTBFS on !(sparc|powerpc) due to indirect hal build-dep" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126271
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126272 in revelation (universe) "[gutsy]  revelation-0.4.11-2ubuntu2 is missing dependency to python-gnomecanvas " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126272
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126278 in sbackup (universe) "sbackup does not purge old backups logarithmically" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126278
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126274 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "System gets unresponsive under moderate load" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126274
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126280 in sbackup (universe) "sbackup time option "simple" time is obscure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126280
[10:32] <dholbach> hey thekorn!
[10:32] <dholbach> how's it going?
[10:32] <thekorn> hi dholbach,
[10:33] <thekorn> fine, just had the last exam for this semester this morning
[10:33] <thekorn> how was london?
[10:33] <dholbach> very good - we got a lot of things done thanks a lot
[10:34] <dholbach> and I managed to find a bunch of nice records :)
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126284 in mono-addins "Please sync mono-addins (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126284
[10:37] <thekorn> cool! - I will finish my "Mid-term Student Survey" now, then buy some ice-cream and do some more coding...
[10:37] <dholbach> excellent :)
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126286 in Ubuntu "Gusty upgrade tool bug in modifying sources.list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126286
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126287 in ghostscript (main) "Impossible to print some PDF file with evince or lp / lpr : /invalidfont in --stringwidth--" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126287
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126288 in Ubuntu "/usr/lib/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring-ask should always be on-top" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126288
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126294 in Ubuntu "CD-DVD TS-L632D dont detected and dont mounted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126294
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126295 in tomcat5 (universe) "Please remove tomcat5 from the archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126295
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126082 in scribes (universe) "scribes crashed with DBusException in __new__()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126082
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126297 in logcheck (main) "syslogd rule doesn't match" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126297
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #125531 in scribes (universe) "scribes crashed with AttributeError in __refresh()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125531
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126301 in Ubuntu "Network Manager not setting up the network correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126301
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126305 in Ubuntu "Please package StartUp Manager" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126305
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126306 in pulseaudio (main) "No sound with Ubuntu or UbuntuStudio" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126306
[01:13] <paulm123> hi, can someone check a bug for me?
[01:16] <persia> paulm123: Which bug?
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126308 in compizconfig-settings-manager (universe) "ccsm crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_prepare()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126308
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126310 in Ubuntu "New feature for "cp" and "mv" in the terminal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126310
[01:27] <paulm123> persia: in feisty, in interactive python2.5 prompt, i find that when python-matplotlib is installed, the help() -> modules listing fails.
[01:33] <persia> paulm123: Yep.  I can reproduce that.  Have you filed a bug in launchpad?
[01:34] <paulm123> persia: am halfway through... just wanted to confirm it. :-)
[01:34] <persia> paulm123: Great.  Thanks for discovering this, and reporting the bug.
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126314 in anjuta (universe) "Anjuta crashes on opening or creating a glade file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126314
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126315 in stetic (universe) "Please sync stetic (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126315
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126320 in openoffice.org (main) "scanning resolution cannot be defined exactly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126320
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126322 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice locks up after retrieving a saved document,preadsheet on ubuntu since latest updates loaded" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126322
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126323 in linux-meta (main) "Ide controller on Dell D430 does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126323
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126324 in evolution (main) "evolution does not save user configuration" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126324
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126326 in cman (universe) "Failure in /usr/share/cluster/script.h return instead of exit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126326
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126328 in partman-auto-lvm (main) "swap volume fails to mount" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126328
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126329 in procps (main) ""free" shows too much memory in use" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126329
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126330 in kdepim (main) "KDE 3.5.7 on Feisty: e-mail autocompletion from LDAP source doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126330
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #125640 in apt "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125640
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126332 in mysql-query-browser (universe) "mysql-query-browser crashes exporting resultset as excel worksheet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126332
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126333 in Ubuntu "gutsy audio volume box problem when using keyboard shortcut" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126333
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126335 in Ubuntu "Installation Error: Can't Access tty." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126335
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126337 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "linux-image-2.6.22-8-powerpc doesn't boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126337
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126340 in ecryptfs-utils (universe) "[needs sponsor]  please update ecryptfs-utils" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126340
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126342 in Ubuntu "Please sync vim-syntax-gtk (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126342
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126343 in bluefish (universe) "can't add file to project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126343
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126344 in openoffice.org (main) "edit menu does not appear correctly in writer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126344
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126347 in gnome-panel (main) "without audio - bad shutdown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126347
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126348 in Ubuntu "Please sync evolution-python 0.0.2-1 from Debian Experimental (Main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126348
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126349 in evolution (main) "Numpad arrows don't work in edit message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126349
[05:00] <Hobbsee> asac: ping
[05:01] <asac> Hobbsee: pong
[05:01] <Hobbsee> asac: how are your tribe 3 bugs going?
[05:04] <asac> probably pretty bad ... was busted by mozilla doing a quick release
[05:04] <asac> any specific bug?
[05:04] <asac> Hobbsee: ^^
[05:04] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=asac&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.milestone%3Alist=470&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes
[05:04] <Hobbsee> .used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_cve.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bah.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> asac: http://tinyurl.com/2rdfhg
[05:05] <movi> are you guys also doing kernel bugs ?
[05:05] <asac> Hobbsee: bug 123800 ... might be fixed in time as its a nasty thing it would be worth an exception
[05:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123800 in firefox "[gutsy]  resource:/browserconfig.properties not installed" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123800
[05:05] <Hobbsee> asac: and any of the network mangler ones that you care to take a look at
[05:06] <asac> the other can be pushed back
[05:06] <Hobbsee> what do you want them to be pushed back to?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> asac: t4?
[05:07] <asac> safe mode can easily go back to beta
[05:07] <asac> i just put it there to be reminded to think about it
[05:08] <asac> its already evaluated :)
[05:08] <bdmurray> movi: what do you mean "doing"?
[05:08] <movi> do you also fix kernel bug
[05:08] <movi> *kernel bugs
[05:08] <Hobbsee> asac: ah right
[05:08] <movi> o should i go to #ubuntu-kernel ?
[05:09] <bdmurray> We have a kernel team that works on kernel bugs but I can help you submit a bug report if you need to or gather the right information for a kernel bug report.
[05:09] <asac> Hobbsee: the network-manager bug ... no idea why its targetted at all
[05:10] <movi> no i can do that myself. i just hoped i could find someone to help me resolve it. its a really nasty and peculiar one
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: ahhh.  you!  dont go away.
[05:10] <asac> Hobbsee: pushed back to tribe-6
[05:10] <Hobbsee> asac: great, OK
[05:10] <bdmurray> movi: okay then well good luck
[05:11] <mvo> Hobbsee: what paritcular one?
[05:11] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: I'm not going anywhere quickly - feeling sluggish.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> mvo: the metapackages not getting recommends installed by default, if not in main
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: --> /query
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126354 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "thunderbird doesn't place -- before signature sometimes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126354
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126355 in Ubuntu "quiet option does not work for feisty kernel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126355
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126357 in Ubuntu "Display bug in keyboard sound control" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126357
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126358 in kde-systemsettings (main) "Kubuntu 7.04 USB memorystick not recognized" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126358
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126359 in gdm (main) "GDM not showing Mongolian" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126359
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126360 in gnome-mount (main) "Using DVD+R disks on Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126360
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126361 in pinentry (universe) "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126361
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126362 in xorg (main) "Xorg crashes when working with large images" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126362
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126366 in Ubuntu "I can not save FORM when I create by Openoffice.org Database" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126366
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126369 in Ubuntu "kernel disables irq after 10 minutes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126369
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126372 in Ubuntu "network stalls with module r8169" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126372
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126374 in gnuplot (universe) "HOME END DEL keys not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126374
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126378 in ktorrent (main) "ERROR: Communication problem with ktorrent, it probably crashed." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126378
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126379 in devmapper (main) "/dev/mapper/* -> /dev/dm-* symlink scheme breaks partman-crypto" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126379
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126381 in amsn (universe) "Feisty amsn 0.96 error on startup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126381
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126384 in Ubuntu "ubuntu 6.10 cant find my modem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126384
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126388 in Ubuntu "The install fails after the installation option is chosen. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126388
[07:12] <bmm> I've just tried the gtkmm hello world tutorial and it says: wrong XOpenDisplay called. Aborting. I'm on gutsy (yes I know it's not stable) and was wondering if anybody could point me in the right direction?
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126389 in linux-meta (main) "Orinoco card fails to load on Tribe 2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126389
[07:25] <wattazoum> hello every one
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126390 in openoffice.org (main) "ooffice calc: problem importing csv file with fields containing the separator" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126390
[07:25] <wattazoum> hell ubutu :-p
[07:26] <wattazoum> ubotu *
[07:26] <wattazoum> I am speaking to bots now , what a shame :-)
[07:26] <wattazoum> hello ivoks
[07:27] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:28] <wattazoum> ah, question : what does mentoring mean ?
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126391 in nautilus (main) "drive properties consume 100% cpu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126391
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126392 in gnuplot (universe) "Please sync gnuplot (4.2.0-3) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126392
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126393 in Ubuntu "Please sync libgemplugin-ruby (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126393
[08:01] <hggdh> wattazoum: that -- on whatever mentoring was offered -- you will be helped by someone more experienced (questions on how to proceed, if an approach is correct/valid, etc)
[08:06] <wattazoum> hggdh : thank you  :-)
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126398 in evolution (main) "Evolution crashes when sending unmodified forwarded email" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126398
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126396 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock() (dup-of: 123480)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126396
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126397 in Ubuntu "need some packages-wishlist" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126397
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126394 in Ubuntu "Password for root does not work - suspect hacking" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126394
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126035 in Ubuntu "I cannot update nor install a firewall" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126035
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126045 in Ubuntu "Crash." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126045
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #125597 in oprofile (universe) "/var/lib/oprofile is world readable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125597
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126051 in notification-daemon (main) "System does not answer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126051
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126059 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Java has Huge Security Vulnerability, should be updated to 6update2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126059
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126402 in Ubuntu "Please sync c3p0 <IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg.1-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126402
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #125629 in gnome-panel (main) "nose" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125629
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #125857 in Ubuntu "firefox logged me out of my ubuntu session" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125857
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126405 in python2.4 (main) "Python crahsed when using wammu to import sms text messges from Sony Ericsson k750i mobile phone." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126405
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126406 in uswsusp (universe) "[feisty]  causes disk error on resume" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126406
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126020 in firefox (main) "trojan" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126020
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126023 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 124300)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126023
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #125372 in nautilus (main) "EPS file kills my harddisk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125372
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #125460 in tomboy (main) "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_clear()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125460
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126407 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "[Gutsy]  rt2500 driver missing from rt2x00 drivers in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-8-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126407
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126410 in ant (main) "Ant is assuming Sun's JRE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126410
[09:26] <ryanakca> Is it permissible to set a priority to a bug, even though it hasn't yet been confirmed?
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126411 in debian-installer (main) "Alternate installer doesn't create home directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126411
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #124850 in guarddog (universe) "Guarddog blocks IRC connection via port 8001" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124850
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #124890 in lmms (universe) "lmms crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124890
[09:39] <JenFraggle_> ryanakca: which bug are you thinking of?
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126412 in lyx (universe) "lyx won't save urls in a format that latex2html can recognise" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126412
[09:49] <ryanakca> JenFraggle_: none in particular
[09:50] <ryanakca> JenFraggle_: other that 126411, I might put it as medium to high, since it probably affects everybody using LVM for their home dir
[09:50] <ScottK> ryanakca: Did you get your Reiser question answered OK?
[09:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: yep
[09:50] <ScottK> OK.
[09:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: except I'm stuck in VT at the moment because my kubuntu install didn't come with an icon set
[09:50] <ScottK> OK.  Can't help you there.
[09:50] <ScottK> CLI rules.
[09:57] <JenFraggle_> bug 126411
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126411 in debian-installer "Alternate installer doesn't create home directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126411
[09:59] <JenFraggle_> ryanakca: Should be ok to set priority I would have thought.  May bring it to the attention of relevant people
[09:59] <ryanakca> JenFraggle_: ok, thanks
[10:00] <JenFraggle_> nw
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #124427 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Menu View->Headers->All produces a window without scrollbar" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124427
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #124389 in fail2ban (universe) "Feisty's Fail2Ban does not ban." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124389
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #124399 in gnome-terminal (main) "dpkg interruption not solved; my admin.password not accepted for superusertasks" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124399
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #124409 in firefox (main) "I dont know" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124409
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #124269 in Ubuntu "On server login user can hack" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124269
[10:23] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:23] <Nafallo> kinky if that works :-P
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126413 in myodbc (universe) "Odbc Mysql Openoffice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126413
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126414 in squirrelmail (universe) "squirrelmail should depend on php-db" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126414
[10:28] <bdmurray> Nafallo: I was unable to reproduce that bug
[10:30] <Nafallo> bdmurray: good :-)
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126415 in policycoreutils (universe) "load_policy shoud be moved to /sbin " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126415
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126416 in gedit (main) "GEdit shows Chinese characters when I open an rtf file with it." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126416
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126417 in backupninja (universe) "duplicity jobs not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126417
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126418 in gnome-pilot (main) "synchronization with CalDAV calendars in Evolution does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126418
[10:38] <Kmos> bdmurray: ping
[10:38] <bdmurray> Kmos: hello, I thought I responded to your msg
[10:39] <Kmos> nop
[10:42] <ScottK> bdmurray: You are an identified user, so no.
[10:42] <bdmurray> ScottK: I just fixed it
[10:42] <ScottK> Ah.
[10:42] <bdmurray> I hope. :)
[10:56] <psyke83> quick question (I know this isn't support): I've resolved a bug on my system in which the Intel driver using EXA crashes when Compiz is enabled - it's a buggy patch in Gutsy's xserver-xorg-core. I have a bug posted with all the details on bugs.freedesktop.org, do I need to open a bug on launchpad or can I just show an Xorg maintainer the bug directly to have it fixed in the next upload?
[10:56] <psyke83> here's the bug (and resolution): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11626
[10:56] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 11626 in Acceleration/EXA "Intel driver (using EXA) crashes system when starting compiz" [Normal,Resolved: notourbug]
[10:57] <Kmos> !triage
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about triage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <ScottK> psyke83: How many channels are you asking the identical question on?
[10:58] <psyke83> ScottK, sorry, I asked on #ubuntu-dev by accident, I intended to post it just in #ubuntu-bugs
[10:58] <ScottK> Then you might say something like , "oops, wrong channel" on #ubuntu-dev.
[10:59] <psyke83> ScottK, thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience
[10:59] <ScottK> The answer is it depends on is the Xorg guy going to get it fixed in time for Gutsy.  Would it make sense to have an Ubuntu person look at it too.
[11:00] <psyke83> ok, I'll enter a new bug on launchpad and refer the upstream bug - I just didn't want to cause a duplication of effort, in case the upstream change came back to gutsy first
[11:00] <ScottK> That's why linking the bugs is good.
[11:02] <bdmurray> Yep, Malone will watch and update the status of the upstream bug.
[11:03] <stgraber> bdmurray: I just posted an answer to bug 124269 with what I think has happened
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124269 in Ubuntu "On server login user can hack" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124269
[11:04] <bdmurray> stgraber: Thanks! That is really comprehensive.
[11:05] <bdmurray> feel free to assign the bug to yourself if you want
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126420 in libhdhomerun (universe) "New upstream version" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126420
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126427 in Ubuntu "[sync request]  please sync warsow-data from Debian unstable (non-free)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126427
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126429 in tea (universe) "Please sync tea (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126429
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126430 in gnome-panel (main) "Toolbars do not properly display handles for notification area and window list." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126430
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126431 in dspam (universe) "dspam-webfrontend fails to install: dpkg-statoverride: non-existing user dspam" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126431
[11:21] <Cas> Can somebody mentor me how to fix my own bug :P
[11:23] <Cas> I think I explained enough already in the bugreport #126431 , but maybe I can do more?
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126433 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 7.04 i386 has problem with Kernel 2.6.20-16" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126433
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126437 in ltsp (main) "[gutsy-tribe2]  ltsp chroot gets udev rules corresponding to the server's network card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126437
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126438 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "[gutsy]  keyring can't cancel password input" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126438
[11:35] <bdmurray> Cas: the best thing to do might be to contact the last packager for mentoring
[11:39] <Cas> bdmurray: how can I find out who is the last packager?
[11:40] <ScottK> Look in debian/changelog
[11:40] <ScottK> There's a link for it in the package listing on packages.ubuntu.com
[11:41] <bdmurray> or aptitude changelog $pkgname
[11:44] <ScottK> Cas: Gutsy already has 3.6.8-5, so a developer will mark that bug Fix Released.  If it makes the package uninstallable, it would qualify for an SRU for Feisty.
[11:44] <ScottK> !SRU | Cas
[11:44] <ubotu> Cas: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[11:44] <ScottK> gotta run.
[11:45] <Cas> It sure should be a SRU, my apt-get is now broken :(
[11:45] <ScottK> Try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:45] <Cas> found the packager think, it's the only person who is listed in a ubuntu1 release, guess the others are debian packagers
[11:45] <ScottK> That should get you unbroken.
[11:45] <Cas> Scott no luck
[11:46] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:46] <ScottK> Did you try to manuall add the user in question?
[11:46] <ScottK> I really gotta run.
[11:46] <ScottK> Bye and good luck.
[11:46] <Cas> Scott I need to skip the configuring or force uninstall the package
[11:46] <Cas> Scott will try that, thanks
[11:46] <Cas> bye


[04:13] <sagaci> should be seeing a decrease of # of strings, 37 packages were taken out... hopefully some of them were the obsolete gcc packages
[05:37] <somethinginteres> Is anyone else having trouble w/ the Ubuntu One Contacts sync app? It won't connect for me.
[05:44] <head_victim> somethinginteres: I must admit I haven't used that in a long time
[06:17] <somethinginteres> head_victim: no worries, thanks anyway
[11:47] <sagaci> hi
[11:49] <head_victim> Evening sagaci, I'm just working through koffice as we speak ;)
[11:51] <sagaci> yeah, I was a bit cut at around 6:30, when launchpad updated there were about 2 minutes of 100,860 strings to go, but it must have just had a hiccup since it has come down to 91,000 since... which is where I was hoping :)
[11:54] <head_victim> What do you think about https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/dia/+pots/dia/en_AU/+translate?batch=50&show=untranslated
[11:56] <sagaci> yeah thought so, it had a couple of similar ones, like financial confidential and medical confidential
[11:57] <ikt> hurray!
[12:06] <sagaci> head_victim, I wonder if it's worth poking someone in #launchpad about https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/170787
[12:07] <sagaci> I know it's been only two weeks but I don't really want to see another "ubuntu-au reapproval" happening, assuming it's a flick of a switch?
[12:10] <head_victim> I don't know any of the team members that's been assigned to either
[12:11] <head_victim> If you like I'll ping dpm next time I see him
[12:11] <head_victim> Gday jfer
[12:12] <sagaci> thedac is the only one not away
[12:12] <jfer> hi
[12:13] <jfer> it has been a while
[12:13] <ikt> heya :)
[12:13] <ikt> head_victim, assigned to what?
[12:15] <sagaci> ikt, launchpad operators, for reassigning the owner of en_AU translations
[12:15] <ikt> oh ok
[12:15] <ikt> anyone had a chance to play around with ubuntu 11.10?
[12:15] <jfer> i have been rather busy lately but it is great to hear that the loco is official again!
[12:16] <head_victim> ikt: assigned to sagaci's request to become team owner of enAU translations
[12:16] <sagaci> ikt, I'm on it :)
[12:17] <ikt> jfer: definitely, just trying to think of some things to do from here
[12:17] <ikt> sagaci: nice! i've installed it on my other ssd drive, are you able to do a bootchart?
[12:18] <head_victim> jfer: yep, it's been good reward for the whole team
[12:18] <sagaci> umm, I haven't got it installed atm..
[12:19] <ikt> bootchart?
[12:19] <ikt> sudo apt-get install bootchart then reboot and image should be in /var/log/bootchart
[12:19] <ikt> i'm just wondering if 11.10 is quite a bit slower than 11.04 or even 10.10
[12:19] <ikt> quite a bit == noticably
[12:20] <sagaci> yeah it's still kinda slow but from my experience, the regression was from maverick > natty
[12:21] <sagaci> in ref to boot time
[12:21] <head_victim> I've never even looked at boot times, my computer only reboots for power outages or new hardware.
[12:21] <head_victim> Sometimes I get excitable and reboot it just for a new kernel or something.
[12:22] <ikt> I used to be like that but now there's no real point keeping my pc on during the day
[12:22] <ikt> may as well save 230w usage for 10 hours
[12:22] <head_victim> I'm slowly working towards loading up the server so I can turn off the desktops but the rate I'm going that'll be a while
[12:23] <head_victim> We've reduced the desktop count from 4 to 2 though so we're getting there
[12:23] <ikt> what sort of stuff is running on your desktop that you'll move to server?
[12:23] <head_victim> irc, files (media, etc) and probaly more stuff I can't think of right now
[12:24] <ikt> i'll be doing a similar thing
[12:25] <ikt> will probably make a nice huge blog post about setting up my new mitx htcp/file server
[12:25] <head_victim> I'm currently using a quad core 2.33 desktop style PC with 5tb of hdd as my server
[12:26] <ikt> will runs xbmc/delugetorrent/file server of some kind/psi server/mumble/and a bunch of other stuff
[12:26] <head_victim> I was thinking of moving to an i3 2100T (35w tdp dual core ht 2.5ghz)
[12:26] <ikt> nahh
[12:26] <ikt> amd e350 ftw
[12:26] <ikt> gpu+cpu all in one
[12:26] <ikt> i think
[12:26] <head_victim> i3 is that as well
[12:27] <ikt> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=16940
[12:28] <ikt> hrmm
[12:28] <ikt> what gpu is in the i3?
[12:28] <head_victim> intel hd2000
[12:28] <jargonfactory> hi folks \o.
[12:28] <sagaci> can it do 1080p
[12:28] <head_victim> Gday jargonfactory
[12:28] <ikt> amazing
[12:28] <head_victim> sagaci: apprently quite well
[12:29] <head_victim> ikt: the T variant is the low powered one
[12:29] <head_victim> I've seen them idling at 20w for a full system using that cpu
[12:29] <jargonfactory> can't find any info on this font @ http://letsfreckle.com :(
[12:29] <head_victim> jargonfactory: email them :D
[12:30] <ikt> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2100t.html
[12:30] <ikt> just reading now
[12:30] <jargonfactory> head_victim: heh
[12:30] <head_victim> ikt: sif even look at amd products.... ;)
[12:30] <sagaci> jargonfactory, Helvetica Neue?
[12:30] <ikt> head_victim: I was gonna say the same about intel :P
[12:31] <ikt> i've had less problems with amd/ati then intel/intel
[12:31] <jargonfactory> sagaci: oh hang on i got firebug :) thx
[12:31] <head_victim> ikt: hahaha I've been on intel since p4 and never once had a problem. I do use nvidia cards in desktops though
[12:32] <head_victim> brb, dinner
[12:32] <ikt> I don't know what it is about intel stuff
[12:32] <ikt> but it just comes across so cold and heartless :(
[12:33] <ikt> i've never seen intel do something like this:
[12:33] <ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKN4VMOenNM
[13:43] <ikt> anyone seen the new humble indy bundle?
[13:44] <sagaci> I've seen it but I'm not into that kind of thing
[13:56] <ikt> yeah same
[13:57] <ikt> there was 10 games on the last bundle
[13:57] <ikt> one of them looks interesting to me
[14:03] <sagaci> ikt, do you notice en_US spelling?
[14:23] <head_victim> No idea what happened there
[14:37] <sagaci> * head_victim has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[15:04] <ikt> yeah osmosis is a pretty neat game
[15:04] <ikt> sagaci, what do you mean?
[15:05] <sagaci> like, do you see words such as dialog and color and think "they should be changed"
[15:05] <sagaci> chromium is causing pain on my older desktop machine
[15:06] <sagaci> sync seems to be taking forever
[15:06] <sagaci> it's my browser of choice but i've had to revert back to firefox on this machine of late since chromium locks up
[15:07] <airtonix> ikt: i prefer stability over speed, which is why i go intel
[15:08] <sagaci> yay, chromium finally synced, bye firefox
[16:28] <ikt> airtonix: ehhh?
[16:33] <airtonix> ikt: that video you posted
[16:42] <ikt> ohh
[16:43] <ikt> i was more talking about community engagement, amd sponsors a lot of community related stuff
[16:43] <ikt> like overclocking which is the big one
[16:43] <ikt> but yeah I prefer stabilty over speed as well, I just haven't seen any stability issues between amd/intel
[16:44] <ikt> except for my netbook which had this happen:
[16:44] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/828684
[16:46] <ikt> actually I did have an issue with the ati drivers in 11.04
[16:47] <ikt> but that was simply because canonical decided to release the updated kernel with the fix in it after 11.04 was released
[17:27] <ikt> bacula is insane
[17:27] <ikt> taking me longer to learn bacula than python
[17:27] <ikt> but this might be due to my motivation for learning a backup program


[21:15] <alkisg> !info flashplugin-nonfree hardy
[21:58] <alkisg> !info ltsp hardy
[21:58] <alkisg> !info ltsp-server hardy
[22:24] <tbiddle> hey, i'm new to ubuntu and struggling with getting flash to work in firefox (think it may be related to my 64bit system)
[22:25] <tbiddle> anyone feeling in a helpful mood?
[22:29] <alkisg> For general ubuntu problems, try in #ubuntu
[22:31] <tbiddle> ok, what's this channel for? i assumed it was edu(cation)-buntu
[22:31] <alkisg> Yup
[22:31] <alkisg> But for generic ubuntu question, you'll find more people in #ubuntu, so you'll solve your problems easier there
[22:34] <tbiddle> ok cool, thx


[13:06] <jodh> xnox: how are the updates to user-log-dir coming along?
[13:08] <xnox> yes, should do those. fixes as agreed + docs.
[13:09] <jodh> xnox: ta :)
[15:45] <xnox> jodh: what if HOME="../lolcats/"
[16:25] <jodh> xnox: is that even legitimate?
[16:26] <xnox> jodh: i'm just pondering that XDG_CONFIG_HOME might end up ralative, after the fallback is used which expands $HOME. Hence I am pondering to move the check that path is absolute to a match later point.
[16:26] <xnox> such that returned conf-sources array is always legitimate.
[16:27] <xnox> jodh: I can totally see puppet/chef/whatnot misconfigure passwd
[16:28] <jodh> xnox: yeah - that sounds like the safest option.
[16:32] <xnox> jodh: does upstart handle alright if logdir is non-existant or NULL.
[16:32]  * xnox adds a note to check that.
[16:32]  * xnox ponders how far one can get a desktop session going with relative $HOME
[16:37] <xnox> right, needs more tests. I need to check on a few more urgent installer things now.
[20:55] <JanC> what would a relative path in $HOME be relative to?  ☺
[21:02] <stgraber> your current working dir, whatever it's :)
[21:05] <JanC> how do you go "up" from '/' ?
[21:06] <JanC> well, I suppose it just stays there
[21:06] <stgraber> hehe, I didn't say relative $HOME would make sense, just said how it'd work ;) but yeah HOME="../../home/test" will be equal to HOME="/home/test" in upstart's case ;)
[21:07] <stgraber> right, .. on / points to . so you can't go any further but it won't fail either
[21:08] <JanC> I wonder if there is a rule about what applications should do with a relative $HOME...
[21:15] <stgraber> applications usually just append stuff to $HOME and let the libc do any kind of expansion


[09:16] <zxm-pi> allo allo
[09:19] <Myrtti> hihi
[09:54] <zxm-pi> a nice cloudy day outside, no sun. proper irish weather with a promise for rain later :-)
[09:59] <GaryK> we are at 25c and it'll rise to28c later
[09:59] <GaryK> rain tomorrow
[12:37] <daftykins> \o
[16:54] <m0nkey_> Haha, wtf openSUSE? Keynote from Shells.com ROFL .. I'm gonna tune in for that one
[16:54] <daftykins> D:
[16:55] <m0nkey_> Who thought that would be a good idea, considering what happened in the last 48 hours.
[16:57] <daftykins> bit like the guys who were resisting the move and defending every action right up until the last minute over in #kodi , hah - not heard a word from them since (because none of us are there anymore of course)