[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning
[07:24] <SuperMatt> good morning
[07:24] <SuperMatt> it's nice to see we have the good weather back
[07:24] <diplo> You do?!?!?!?!!?
[07:28] <SuperMatt> well, it's a lot better than the rest of the week
[07:29] <diplo> Its not raining here, that's about the most positive part I could say :)
[07:33] <knightwise> mornin peeps
[07:33] <knightwise> how are you doing this fine morning
[07:41] <Myrtti> tired
[07:48] <diplo> tired and sore! But at work, so alls good in the world :D
[07:56] <zmoylan-pi> it's thursday, arthur dent could never get the hang of thursdays...
[07:57] <zmoylan-pi> douglas adams dead 15 years yesterday...
[08:01] <SuperMatt> I always went past his grave in Highgate Cemetary, because there would be lots of pens stuck in the ground
[08:01] <SuperMatt> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3406/4640037261_d0f1d5e6c6_z.jpg
[08:01] <SuperMatt> much like that
[08:02] <SuperMatt> though now the trend is to put them in a pot
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> they could ask that people put coloured pencils into the pot which could then be donated to kids hospitals or something
[08:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[08:16] <SuperMatt> zmoylan-pi: that's a good idea, but they're left out quite regularly, so they'd be affected by the elements
[08:16] <SuperMatt> further more, childrens hospitals don't accept anything which cannot be washed with boiling water and sterilised - pencils and crayons would be right out
[08:16] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland a lot of the more popular graves are cleared every night
[08:17] <SuperMatt> I have ~3000 comics which I would *love* to donate to a children's hospital, but it's not allowed
[08:24] <davmor2> Morning all you Wednesday Survivors and Welcome to Thursday :D
[08:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Awareness Day!
[08:26] <JamesTait> Florence Nightingale's birthday, apparently.
[08:26] <JamesTait> http://www.may12th.org/
[08:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: got you covered bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz64hWng2vM
[08:26] <JamesTait> Blimey, davmor2, am I that predictable?
[08:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're a bit early today actually :)
[08:27] <JamesTait> :-O
[08:28] <JamesTait> davmor2, you're right!  I should go back to bed!
[08:28] <Oli> I think the correct response is: A JamesTait is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.
[08:29] <davmor2> and just because it's her birthday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiQhh1eT6b4
[08:30] <JamesTait> Or, since it's also Limerick Day: There once was a chap called JamesTait, Who was never early, nor late, He just came online at whatever time, And some days he just couldn't wait.
[08:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: you normally announce yourself around the start of my 10am meeting is the only reason I know so sometime I have to wait till the end of the meeting to grab the link for you :)
[08:32] <JamesTait> davmor2, I had planned to push on with my garage conversion first thing, but since it involves moving my desk to put down a damp-proof membrane and a sheet of plywood I thought I might have been over-optimistic.
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> you need a floating desk suspended from hydrogen weather balloons... you will need a no smoking sign mind... :-)
[10:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's a weird playlist right :)
[10:40] <foobarry> !ping
[10:49] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:50] <brobostigon> moin
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: howdy stranger by the way your nick is wrong :P
[11:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: not changing that :)
[11:11] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:24] <knightwise> hey peeps
[11:27] <davmor2> knightwise: morning
[11:28] <knightwise> hey davmor2 , hows it hanging
[11:29] <davmor2> knightwise: I made it to Thursday only one more day to go ;)
[11:32] <knightwise> davmor2: yeah ! thank god for that. I'm in zombie mode today too
[11:32] <knightwise> have been giving talks in the evening after work for two days straight
[11:47] <popey> czajkowski: welcome back
[13:17] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[14:33] <Switches> Well that sounds interesting http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Linux-4.7-Is-Big around 60,000 lines of code...
[14:53] <sebsebseb> hi
[14:53] <Switches> heya
[14:53] <sebsebseb> Switches: hi
[14:55] <davmor2> hello
[14:56] <sebsebseb> davmor2: hi
[15:11] <popey> hello
[15:15] <sebsebseb> popey: hi
[15:26] <sebsebseb> popey: what you been up to?
[15:26] <popey> just setup my bq m10 :)
[15:26] <sebsebseb> popey: oh right nice
[15:26] <sebsebseb> popey: and set up as in what?
[15:26] <sebsebseb> what did you put on it etc
[15:27] <sebsebseb> popey: now we need you to make say 50 more decent quality apps, to make Ubuntu touch as a platform better :d
[15:27] <sebsebseb> so yeah no web apps :)
[15:28] <diddledan> what's wrong with web apps?
[15:28] <popey> some webapps are okay
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> don't work when web is not around?
[15:28] <sebsebseb> diddledan: they can be ok, but that's what the Ubuntu store mostly still has
[15:28] <popey> good way to keep data siloed from one another
[15:28] <davmor2> sebsebseb: that's not fair, web-apps have there place, for example, facebook twitter and google+ are all pointless apps if you are not on-line
[15:28] <diddledan> I consider cordova as webapp
[15:28] <popey> e.g. they can't track you with their fb cookie if you have a different cookie in each app
[15:29] <sebsebseb> need more native apps though
[15:30] <sebsebseb> things like uhmm well anything reallyk but worth installing :)
[15:30] <sebsebseb> from fun things, to more serious productivity type apps etc
[15:30] <popey> sure, i agree
[15:31] <popey> more apps is always nice
[15:31] <sebsebseb> altough once the convergence is sorted out more properly, I guess about 20 years or so worth of Desktop Linux programs will work nicely with Ubuntu Touch as well :d
[15:31] <diddledan> you can't just say "we need more apps" and expect it to magically be so though
[15:31] <sebsebseb> diddledan: yep
[15:31] <sebsebseb> diddledan: hence why I jokeinly said that popey should make say 50 more good quality native apps, since I have installed an app or two or three that it says was made by him
[15:32] <popey> I like that i can use an emoji for my users name http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/2016/device-2016-05-12-143253.png
[15:32] <sebsebseb> diddledan: plus actsaully since he works for Canonical he might have more interest in  improving the app situation, than certain other people.
[15:32] <popey> yeah
[15:32] <popey> fair point
[15:32]  * sebsebseb thinks popey should try and get Mark to pay him to make loads of Ubuntu touch apps of good quality maybe, he h h e h ( I half jokingly say that )
[15:32] <sebsebseb> fair point to my coment to diddledan ?
[15:35] <sebsebseb> popey: the OS itself is quite nice we know that,  and convergence  is interesting to, but one thing lets it down still lack of apps yep
[15:36]  * sebsebseb might regret not going to somethng tonight a bit
[15:37] <sebsebseb> hi switches
[15:37] <Switches> hey sebsebseb
[15:38] <sebsebseb> Switches: can I pm you?  its just I noticed something that's slightly interesting
[15:38] <Switches> Sure
[15:49] <daftykins> o0
[15:50] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes me and Switches have this uhmm awesome chat going on that your not part of he h  h eh , isn't that right Switches he h h eh ?
[15:51] <daftykins> yesterday i almost thought Switches was you
[15:51] <daftykins> :P
[15:51] <sebsebseb> daftykins: oh why's that since the S ?
[15:51] <Switches> Na I'm me :p
[15:52] <Switches> Plus I just normally lurk around for a while
[15:53] <diddledan> blocked ear ftl
[15:54] <diddledan> tons of gooey earwax leaking ftw (yey for otex eardrops!)
[15:54] <Switches> lol
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> save that up for candles... :-P
[15:54] <diddledan> lol
[15:54] <diddledan> I can hear at least today
[15:55] <daftykins> diddledan: ah that must be so satisfying, did you get the joyous moment it opened up again, or still waiting?
[15:56] <diddledan> oh I did. I rejoyced
[15:56] <diddledan> rejoiced?
[15:56] <diddledan> htf do you speel?
[15:56] <daftykins> yes!
[15:56] <daftykins> ;D
[15:56] <daftykins> you're British sir, you're not supposed to!
[15:57] <zmoylan-pi> he'll soon have some color in his cheeks...
[15:57] <diddledan> I wonder how difficult it will be to adjust in the channel islands if Britain decides to leave the EU
[15:57] <daftykins> what's this drama? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/05/11/pausing-philws-involvement-in-ubuntu/
[15:57] <diddledan> same for gibraltar
[15:58] <daftykins> diddledan: we already get screwed, so just an extra level of i'd imagine :P
[15:58] <diddledan> wtf? that sounds serious (the philw thing)
[15:58] <daftykins> yeah doesn't sound too good
[16:00] <Switches> Something to do with his conduct I guess, breaching the CoC isn't really something they look kindly upon. Also stopped him having a position in ubuntuGNOME I think.
[16:01] <daftykins> well yes that's as much as can be assumed from the link, but more specifics is naturally what was sought
[16:01] <sebsebseb> Switches: daftykins uhmm seen it before with Jonhan Riddel
[16:01] <sebsebseb> that kiind of thing
[16:01] <sebsebseb> the Kubuntu guy yeah
[16:02] <daftykins> right but there were tonnes of write ups about that one
[16:02] <Switches> Well just my opinion but after the J Riddel crap I think it should be kept between those concerned and that post is more a "heads up" for the community
[16:02] <sebsebseb> there was that thing in the Linux media about that not so long ago
[16:02] <sebsebseb> also I hae actsaully mett Riddel in person the other year at FOSDEM, and then saw a talk he did this year
[16:03] <daftykins> ah so not just a gadget fanboy then ;)
[16:03] <diddledan> I think the council should explain their decisions rather than just saying "this is what we decided. live with it."
[16:03] <sebsebseb> daftykins: who me?
[16:03] <daftykins> yeah
[16:03] <sebsebseb> daftykins: no I started going to FOSDEM in 2012 since another distro. and one that isn't based on Ubuntu
[16:04] <daftykins> always healthy to see how the ubuntu crowd functions (and by that i mean, not healthy)
[16:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: that also took me to the more Ubuntu focussed event OGG Camp as well though,  or well not quite, but yeah I went to that as well after FOSDEM, met popey h eh
[16:04] <daftykins> any troublemakers get ejected!
[16:04] <Switches> Well they have to cut it somewhere.  I think the council in this have done the right thing
[16:04] <zmoylan-pi> he doesn't know, he got kicked out... :-P
[16:04] <sebsebseb> daftykins: gadjet fa n boy not quite, I do see Ubuntu Touch at becoming more popular possibly though,  if well  the app situation is much more sorted out for a start :d and convegence as well
[16:04] <daftykins> Switches: you're talking about it as you know the details, but i was saying i have no idea - so it's a bit puzzling :P
[16:05] <diddledan> it's not transparent, which I feel is important for a community council to be
[16:06] <popey> not convicned
[16:06] <popey> would you fancy a blog post with your name on saying all the ways in which you suck?
[16:06] <Switches> Lets say I been following it a bit. I think a few have, but tbh it's just people being people, we have way better things to focus on than a few "hotheads" in the community
[16:06] <sebsebseb> I think all commnites etc, get drama at time!
[16:07] <Myrtti> popey: is the nickname really philw or is there a typo and it's phillw instead? just wondering, I don't think dholbach is online to check from
[16:08] <popey> good point
[16:08] <Switches> The way I see it is the council knows the whole story, its not one person making a decision its what 8 people or something? let them deal with it. we put them there.
[16:10] <diddledan> no. gossip isn't what I'm after, I think an explanation of the kind "diddledan and popey regularly argued about personal things which often descended into insults. it is therefore the council's decision that diddledan should leave the community for a period of 12 months so that all parties may cool-off"
[16:11] <diddledan> even if the council explained why they feel details should be retained behind closed-doors would be appropriate to satisfy my curiosity
[16:12] <diddledan> it's the nature I want to understand, not the details
[16:12] <daftykins> diddledan: agreed
[16:13] <daftykins> otherwise it just looks like strongarming by those in 'power'
[16:16] <Switches> You know when people say stuff like this I always wonder where the "voices" go when the matters are important to the community. No matter what the council says or does someone somewhere will find a way to pick it apart and take what they want from it, either to improve their own perceived standing or to get some more clicks.
[16:16] <Switches> I guess I'm just old... and not so inquisitive now lol
[16:16] <daftykins> i've no idea what you mean there
[16:18] <Switches> Which part, the part where I'm to old? or the bit with people trying to get the one up on someone else?
[16:18] <daftykins> the latter
[16:19] <daftykins> actually, maybe it's better to move on
[16:20] <Switches> Well look at news sites or the Linux media, they are always doing it. They try to move stuff in a direction that is so say neutral while back handedly slapping someone in the face.
[16:20] <daftykins> i don't follow any
[16:20] <sebsebseb> the Linux media likes some whining as well at itmes it seems
[16:21] <sebsebseb> polotics
[16:21] <sebsebseb> in fighthing etc
[16:21] <Switches> lol then lets leave it, I was pretty much talking about the whole council thing at the moment
[16:21] <daftykins> by that i meant Linux media, i don't visit or read any
[16:21] <sebsebseb> and councils don't always do the best thing for anything in general that has a council
[16:22] <Switches> I do as much as I can stomach. lol
[16:22] <Switches> That's very true seb but at the end of the day we are all human and without making mistakes at times we don't learn crap.
[16:22] <daftykins> from the outside though arguing and in-fighting seems to be the definition of open source :P
[16:23] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yep that sounds about right :D
[16:23] <Switches> At points from outside the community it does look like that daftykins
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> it's what makes open source code good in some ways
[16:23] <sebsebseb> also means we get like three thousand distros too :d
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> i don't like were you're taking this text editor so i'm going to write my own... :-)
[16:24] <Switches> It's actually imo one of it's strengths but also its Achilles heal
[16:24] <sebsebseb> I don't like the name of that program  since it's named after zmoylan-pi  so I am going to make a big fuss and get it re named or someone to fork it :d
[16:24] <Switches> yep spot on zmoylan-pi but sometimes it does lead to a lot of innovation and a fresh perspective
[16:25] <daftykins> surely at times it turns into a multiplication of workload, which the forking folks could have better used on working with the original project
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's like all code.  at some points it comes time to scrap what you have and start fresh.  open source will always have someone ready at that time wanting to do that... :-)
[16:26] <Switches> For me atleast that's what ubuntu and its derivatives do the best, they push stuff to get better even if sometimes they get referred to as suffering from "NIH" syndrome (which imo is way off base)
[16:26] <daftykins> it's quite amusing reading about Mint dropping the inclusion of codecs from images, since it was often what a lot of Mint fans pointing to as being better than Ubuntu :D
[16:26] <daftykins> oops s/pointing/pointed/
[16:26] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> i didn't read on why mint decided to do that
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> seems daft
[16:26] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I saw a comment to do with htat on omgubuntu where someone was like,  right well I'll just go back to Ubuntu then
[16:27] <Switches> Ain't got a clue tbh I try to stay away from Mint and Arch in general >.>
[16:27] <sebsebseb> daftykins: and someone else was like, really losing you since that?
[16:27] <sebsebseb> Switches: why's that?
[16:28] <Switches> Never liked Mints choices tbh (especially some of the keeping back security fixes) also Arch for me is just for users who can't use a Gentoo, Funtoo or LFS install
[16:29] <daftykins> well we saw users doing that about minor things in #ubuntu too, i think it's the more youthful folks who hop distro on a weekly basis because they have the time and impatience to hop.
[16:29] <sebsebseb> Switches: hmm maybe to the Arch thing, but  Arch is apparnatly so amazing
[16:29] <diddledan> I tried mint once. their custom builds of some packages conflicted with packages they relied on ubuntu repos for such as mod_php from ubuntu refusing to interact with mint's custom apache build
[16:29] <diddledan> I forget the specifics but that put me off for life
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> i have mint on one system (the one i'm using at the moment) it's nice but i prefer xubuntu and will probably switch this machine to xubuntu at some point
[16:31] <Switches> So people say, all of Archs strengths are always referred to as AUR which is from the community and not actually Arch itself, It doesn't sell the Arch "way" to me, but then thats just me. I use Gentoo, Funtoo, Ubuntu and Fedora pretty much daily
[16:33] <Switches> Gentoo and Funtoo are a lot of work, building stuff from source for everything, but the performance you can get from it is impressive. Ubuntu and Fedora have basically the best Binary installs around with .deb (and now snappy for ubuntu) and .rpm plus copr for Fedora
[16:33] <daftykins> i dunno, i asked a longtime Gentoo user and they admitted it wasn't worth the effort at the end of the day
[16:34] <daftykins> life is too short for a distro like that :)
[16:34] <Switches> Tbh it depends a lot on what you run aswell, using a desktop processor to run the gentoo builds on is a waste of time imo, but you get a couple of xeons doing it with a stack of memory and it def shows what it can be capable of
[16:35] <daftykins> diddledan loves working with gentoo on servers ;D
[16:35] <Switches> :D
[16:35] <diddledan> I'm doing that right now
[16:36] <Switches> Well tbh people say its not "production" ready, but in all honesty it depends on how you build it and what flags you choose to use.
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> it's the brag factor with gentoo... you're running the latest version?? just how much ram and cpu does that thing have?! :-)
[16:36] <daftykins> the sweet white flag of surrender
[16:36] <Switches> lol
[16:37] <Switches> Tbh the distro you use shouldn't really be a factor and tbh it kinda pisses me off that people make it such a big deal, at the end of the day Linux is Linux no matter what you choose to run, you're making a better decision than running Windows or OS-X
[16:38] <davmor2> daftykins: that was a great debut album for dido was the "of surrender" but the remix version?
[16:38] <daftykins> i don't like the use of the word 'better', it all has problems at the end of the day
[16:38] <daftykins> they all, rather (all OSs)
[16:38] <daftykins> davmor2: heh i have no idea about that
[16:39] <daftykins> good ol' depressing tunes Dido
[16:40] <Switches> Yeah they do, nothing is perfect. But for me you can customise Linux to be what you need, when you need it. Ubuntu, Fedora and Opensuse make it "easier" in the sense of fancy UI and stuff but underneath the power of them is all on par.
[16:41] <davmor2> daftykins: no depressing is evanescence, placibo etc :)
[16:41] <daftykins> hehe
[16:41] <Switches> rofl
[16:41] <Switches> evanescence isn't depressing!
[16:41] <diddledan> I love evanessence
[16:41] <Switches> placibo I gotta admit i agree there :p
[16:42] <daftykins> Switches: not everyone needs that though, i support folks but they stick to Windows land because they're mostly married to the experiences of e.g. MS Outlook for their email and can't be torn away, it's a shame to be that self restricted but in truth Linux just wouldn't work in their business travelling laptops and so on as i'd always seen battery life get trashed
[16:42] <davmor2> Switches: listen to the lyrics and the music separately I think you'll find that is exactly the tone they are going for ;)
[16:42] <daftykins> i really wouldn't push Linux onto people either, since i most likely couldn't resolve the kinds of problems they'd see
[16:43] <daftykins> or putting up with said users for coping with the change wouldn't be something i'm brave enough for :D
[16:43] <Switches> I don't push linux as imo it's not for "everybody", Windows is right for some people, Linux is right for others, Mac well we can just put that in the "do not touch" category
[16:44] <diddledan> davmor2: the lyrics of evanessence are dark/depressing I agree. I love it though
[16:44] <daftykins> Switches: :D agreed
[16:44] <diddledan> I'm a closet emo
[16:44] <davmor2> diddledan: hey I didn't say it was all good music :)
[16:44] <davmor2> wasn't even
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> isn't a closet emo every emo ever? :-)
[16:45] <Switches> davmor2 if the music isn't loud enough to deafen you, you're not doing it right! that's why it sounds depressing xD
[16:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I don't draw the giant black tears or wear black with chains
[16:45] <davmor2> Switches: it's the same music loud or quiet :P
[16:46] <Switches> Na when its loud enough its nothing but a hum and big smashes xD
[16:46] <Switches> <-- is also a bit of a metalhead
[16:46] <davmor2> Switches: daftykins: I think designers and musicians would argue with you over the need for apple products
[16:47] <diddledan> I want a new mac
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> but it's sunny weather and summer now
[16:47] <Switches> Yeah they would, because that is what they are accustomed to the same reason Linux users argue with other Linux users, doesn't always mean its the right thing for the job though :p
[16:47] <daftykins> actually, i think designers lock themselves into Apple as much as Windows users lock themselves into MS Office
[16:47] <daftykins> they haven't been restricted to mac for over 12 years, but they know it so they keep buying them - the industry doesn't lock them into their use
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> well ibm stopped making thinkpads so apples it is
[16:48] <daftykins> music, probably - not familiar with that kind of work myself
[16:49] <Switches> Tbh people using Windows and Mac have their reasons, I just don't always agree with the outlook. Linux for the past 25 or so years has always done what I have asked of it (although Linux does suck at making coffee!!).
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> you just need the right emacs extension for coffee
[16:49] <davmor2> daftykins: the industry does, because training for design happens on macs guess what you think you need to make it as a designer :D
[16:49] <daftykins> nah that's not true either
[16:50] <Switches> Well they have linux on cow milking machines, wonder when they will get it right on a coffee maker?
[16:50] <daftykins> sure they may push that way of thinking, but more often than not it's living in Adobe products which they can get on Windows too
[16:50] <diddledan> photoshop is the staple diet for for webdesigners
[16:50] <davmor2> daftykins: My friend is at Uni currently doing design and illustration they have the only computer lab that has macs in it, all the others have pc's so you were saying
[16:50]  * zmoylan-pi imagines the horror of a milking machine running windows...
[16:51] <Switches> rofl
[16:51] <zmoylan-pi> cows whizzing through the air like deflating balloons everywhere...
[16:51] <daftykins> davmor2: i'm not doubting that educational establishments would be fostering macs for those courses, but the idea they'd need to own one themselves is definitely dubious
[16:52] <Switches> Yeah you can just see that image in your head.. "OMG BSOD ON COW MILKER ONE! RUN FOR COVER!"
[16:52] <davmor2> daftykins: no they don't, but if they use them all day it becomes the thing they are used to so don't go for pc's because they can't use them as easily as macs
[16:52] <davmor2> and so on
[16:52] <daftykins> yeah, agreed - but that'll only be some of them
[16:53] <davmor2> daftykins: I bet it is more than you think
[16:53] <daftykins> it probably is fair to see creative types are going to be less understanding or interested in understanding the tools of their trade
[16:53] <daftykins> but what i mainly want to get at is dispelling this myth that it has to be macs to do the work :>
[16:54] <diddledan> creative types like the brand of apple because they're creative types
[16:55] <daftykins> "i enjoy buying a machine that can't be repaired or upgraded!"
[16:55] <daftykins> :D
[16:55] <Switches> People learn one thing and think that they have to stay in those confines, never realising half the great stuff they could do by just thinking outside the box
[16:57] <Switches> Doesn't help the companies pushing adverts everywhere you look "This is the ONLY product you will ever need (as long as you never want to do anything outside of the walled garden)"
[16:57] <davmor2> daftykins: and I agree but they won't they will find a million and one reasons why blender the gimp and scribus suck to hell and back
[16:58] <Switches> davamor2 the funny thing with that is mostly its because of the "plugins" they use and not the actual program itself
[16:59] <davmor2> Switches: probably
[16:59] <Switches> Its the "can you use this instead?", "yeah, sure I can but I cant use this extortionately priced plugin I've came to rely on"
[16:59] <daftykins> davmor2: oh i wasn't in any way saying they would go to Linux, but they can get the Adobe suite on Windows :>
[17:00] <Switches> If I'm totally honest.. I would rather have them use a PC than a Mac, but then I've had my time working with apple hardware... Apple X-servers yuck!
[17:01] <daftykins> haha, they've not even had those for years
[17:01] <Switches> Yep but my hate for Apple has lasted since then :p
[17:01] <daftykins> a mate of mine was working in Apple offices in London, no joke they had RAID arrays being attached to mac minis because they don't produce server kit anymore
[17:01] <daftykins> i say was, still is i think
[17:02] <Switches> well they did release that stupid mini server at one point..
[17:03] <daftykins> well it's a bit more concerning when they are phoning up the nearby retail store to go and buy their own hardware - and little toys to run a business :D
[17:03] <Switches> Back when it was PPC arch I could see some of the reasons for using macs, now its just a pc in a fancy case using hardware that worse than I use in my "used part" builds
[17:04] <daftykins> and you get to pay a premium for it :D
[17:04] <Switches> Yeah...
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> the ppc systems were really nice
[17:04] <daftykins> oh and quirky EFIs that essentially stop you trying to do what you want
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> i still have a ppc mac mini here somewhere in a box...
[17:04] <Switches> Hell yeah I loved PPC
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> ran cool
[17:05] <daftykins> G4s didn't :>
[17:05] <Switches> lol G4s were known for being a little "warm"
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> now i have to admit i was asked to install a hard drive into a g4.  i had never so muched as touched a mac before but the musician asked me as he trusted me.  the design INSIDE the case was beautiful
[17:06] <Switches> Guess that happens when you cram something like that inside a plastic case with little to no airflow or cooling :p
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> it opened up in a way as to make servicing so easy and accessible
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> drive slid in. screws needed to hold it were screwed into place ready for it
[17:07] <Switches> Oh yeah the case was well designed and a dream to work with, but my god you ever look where the fans were and how few of them there were :p
[17:07] <daftykins> mmm, was quite easy popping the can on a mid 2010 macbook pro also
[17:07] <daftykins> Switches: where?
[17:07] <daftykins> in the world?
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> made more annoying as i had spent 3 hours that day installing an extra drive in a low profile ast and had cut my hands badly on all the sharp edges
[17:08] <daftykins> :S
[17:08] <Switches> Well the older G4s had two fans one in the power supply and one as an intake behind a 1/4" steel plate with no holes in it xD
[17:08] <daftykins> all this talk has had me boot my vmware VM of OS X 10.11
[17:09] <daftykins> not a fan of OS X in any edition :P
[17:10] <Switches> OS X isn't that bad tbh, but it doesn't run on anything but Apple which kinda sucks (unless you wanna build a hackintosh and voodoo magic to boot it)
[17:10] <daftykins> my VM gives me exposure when i need some first hand insight for a client
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> and their push for an app store now on osx is not a nice direction
[17:10] <Switches> Best thing to do, I used to use Darwin a lot years ago in the early days of OS X
[17:15] <Switches> I really should try and find another G5 at some point to play around with Darwin and Darwine on (although Darwine hasn't been touched since like 2008 or something)
[17:16] <Switches> Or maybe just get one to run ubuntu on again, had fun with a G4 getting DRI running on it.
[17:16] <diddledan> darwine as in the wine emulator for Darwin?
[17:16] <Switches> yeah
[17:16] <daftykins> a lot of people are putting glass sheets over two and making attractive coffee tables from G5s now ;)
[17:16] <diddledan> meh, just use wine
[17:16] <Switches> Where's the fun in that :p
[17:17] <Switches> hmm G5 coffee table.. that sounds interesting...
[17:17] <diddledan> use the CD drives as real coffeecup holders
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> i did see a nice g5 coffee table online recently.  a bit sad for such a powerful computer
[17:17] <Switches> Maybe someone should make a touch version of the G5 coffee table xD
[17:18] <daftykins> surely you mean 'once powerful' :)
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> no you rig up the cd drive to push the cat away when it tries to jump onto the table
[17:19] <Switches> Tbh the chips in the G5 although compared to stuff like Haswell and Skylake are weak, against most chips they actually perform really well. But having said that they are PPC so no surprise really
[17:19] <daftykins> you do often get some diehards come into #ubuntu asking for help installing new releases on the things, can't say i took that seriously though
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> the ppc platform never seemed to get fully going so it never seemed to reach its full potential
[17:20] <Switches> Well Ubuntu ran for years on my G4 and my old G5 but wasn't without a few hiccups
[17:20] <daftykins> i thought they reached a thermal ceiling too early, was a problem?
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> i live in ireland... we'd never reach it's thermal ceiling... :-P
[17:22] <diddledan> that's the reason so many datacentres are in Ireland. you don't need air conditioning; just open a window and you're sety
[17:22] <Switches> rofl
[17:22] <daftykins> :>
[17:23]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the customer whos pc was in office built beside ice plant for fish shipping company... instructions even in summer. 1) turn on bottled gas heater 2) wait 30minutes 3) start cpm computer...
[17:23] <daftykins> :D
[17:23] <daftykins> i'll bet those were violated on occasion
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> the air used to condense even then on the wall and fall like mist to the floor and flow out the door
[17:25] <Switches> Early stages of Water Cooling :p
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> if the rules were disobeyed the motherboards cracked as going from -20 to 30c in 5 minutes was bad
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> and then they'd have to wait 2-3 days till we found another sacrifical cpm computer to replace their dead one
[17:26] <Switches> Well they aren't exactly designed to have that wide a variance in temperature. I'm surprised they just cracked lol
[17:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: how often did that happen? :)
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> 2-3 times in about 20 years of use? it would survive a fair few times till it had enough
[17:28] <daftykins> come to think of it in my youth, my dad has us wait plenty of time when the dan pentium 1 first showed up, to let it acclimatise to the temperature of the house vs. the shipping it'd just endured
[17:28] <Switches> meh no deliveries today, guess I'm waiting again for my little MATX build to come together
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> those computers were very resillient
[17:28] <daftykins> i don't really wait to fire up anything when it's new now o0 probably should :D
[17:29] <Switches> Who does? You normally go into "New Toy!" mode well before you think about that :p
[17:29] <daftykins> haha indeed
[17:30] <daftykins> shiny shiny! aka crow mode, as i call it
[17:30] <Switches> Yep
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> and why do they try and slow you down with these 'read me first' instructions!! :-)
[17:30] <Switches> Love getting new "shiny" stuff
[17:30] <daftykins> pff whoever learnt anything relevant from such paperwork :D
[17:30] <Switches> Or they make the packaging so damn hard to open!
[17:31] <zmoylan-pi> swiss army knife gets through all packaging
[17:31] <diddledan> the read me first is useful to figure out what you did wrong if you find it doesn't work ootb
[17:31] <zmoylan-pi> sometimes even the cables inside the package :-D
[17:31] <diddledan> obviously you don't read it first
[17:32] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I've damaged things like that before, too
[17:32] <Switches> lol
[17:32] <zmoylan-pi> then it's hunt around to find similar cable and nick it no a
[17:32] <zmoylan-pi> no matter what it's connected to at the time
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> i swear if iron lung machines used usb there'd be a few incidents recorded... :-P
[17:33] <daftykins> i picked up a little portable cassette player as a kid, the guy in the shop spoke of how they often would snip the headphone cables by accident opening up the silly blister packs... when i took it home and did exactly that, i took it back and said it wasn't me 8D
[17:33] <Switches> Always keep spare cables around so I don't really get that problem.. although when you have a scsi lead that you have kept as a "spare" for over 10 yrs and don't even have an 40pin scsi drive anymore.... bit worrying i guess
[17:34] <daftykins> (they had to write something on the warranty cards)
[17:34] <daftykins> haha, i have those types of spares for PATA now - i keep 1 or 2 lying around but i'd be glad to never see any of that kit again
[17:35] <Switches> lol same here
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> you keep the scsi cables around for whipping the bad hardware...
[17:35] <Switches> Well yeah it often works
[17:36] <diddledan> I've still got a scsi drive array full of scsi disks
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> it relieves pressure and prevents you from breaking your foot kicking a full height server with redundant power supplies
[17:36] <diddledan> not powered-on
[17:36]  * SuperEngineer heard that even the UK government keep a spare Cable ;-)
[17:36] <Switches> I even have an old Dell 1600SC server here that I use... talk about being into "archaeology" lol
[17:36] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: Vince Cable?
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> yup
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> my brother has had dealings with irish army.  they know how to store a few odds and sods for spares :-)
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> huge warehouses just full of parts, pristine, untouched, perfect
[17:37] <daftykins> DOA in the packet - doh! ;)
[17:38] <diddledan> I've got a few of these in their rackmount form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_ztYj80HSY
[17:39] <Switches> holy crap.. aint seen one of those for years...
[17:40] <diddledan> I've got three
[17:41] <daftykins> nothing like a 3 day POST
[17:41] <Switches> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj76sLJO3PY there's the one I got lol
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> ah the whine of a tape drive... promising so much backup and so seldom doing it...
[17:42] <diddledan> they're bleeding loud when all three are running
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> not using ear protection?
[17:43] <Switches> I bet... must be like sitting next to a Boeing
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> a boeing could sneak past when 3 of them are running i suspect...
[17:44] <Switches> Even my old Q6600 that I use daily is quieter than that!
[17:46] <daftykins> :) Q6600 is my desktop i just retired
[17:46] <daftykins> thinking of snagging a PSU for it though then giving it away
[17:46] <Switches> Ain't retired mine yet, probably wont for atleast another year lol
[17:47] <daftykins> my chipset was failing sadly, so it was time to go
[17:47] <Switches> Building a new used machine for myself then daughter will prob have the 6600
[17:49] <Switches> Well that should have been "new/used" machine.. as In some new parts with older motherboard/CPU combo
[17:49] <daftykins> ah not a victim to the apple camp then? ;) desiring the sleek identical look
[17:50] <Switches> Na, got a Bitfenix Phenom MATX case and a nice PGA1155 intel board with a e3 1230v2
[17:50] <daftykins> the daughter i meant there of course
[17:50] <Switches> Ohh right, na she likes the "vintage" stuff as she calls it
[17:51] <daftykins> haha
[17:51] <daftykins> it's an odd one on my Q6600's motherboard, some days it will just decide the primary SATA controller (first 2 ports) will say goodbye - so no devices are detected for a few power cycles, on those
[17:51] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uviwm78kqd30en/IMG_20160413_134814.jpg?dl=0
[17:51] <daftykins> that's it there
[17:52] <diddledan> daftykins: maybe capacitor failure?
[17:52] <Switches> nice, shame its dying..
[17:52] <daftykins> would it really go for weeks on end though without, if so?
[17:53] <daftykins> i'm assuming the SSD isn't to blame since popping it in port 3 it fired up fine
[17:53] <daftykins> ah well, glad i no longer have to put up with such quirks
[17:53] <Switches> The quirks are sometimes the best part
[17:54] <Switches> With one of mine at the mo it decides the USB ports aren't working and spits out a wonderful kernel panic when it does..
[17:54] <daftykins> erk!
[17:56] <Switches> Just the joys of using old hardware really. I kinda refuse to buy a new comp as they are way to expensive imo. Even the parts have gotten to be to much for very little increase in power
[17:56] <diddledan> daftykins: with dying caps they'll be fine when they're running but cold-start they may be flakey
[17:56] <daftykins> ah, yeah it was more the other way around then - took at least a couple of hours use, maybe a few
[17:57] <diddledan> that sounds more likely a component suffering when warm then
[17:57] <daftykins> Switches: well, i dropped £600 on the skylake setup - case, i7 6700, new M.2 PCIe SSD and 32GB RAM... super nice and efficient compared with the ol' core 2 quad build
[17:58] <diddledan> possibly your sata chip is on it's way out and it manifests due to heat
[17:58] <daftykins> yeah, though just the primary portion in the southbridge
[17:59] <Switches> Well that's not a bad price. I just enjoy Xeons so for me to get a "new-ish" one was around £1200 quid
[17:59] <diddledan> another possibility is the psu isn't providing enough on the 3v3 rail so the chip is sometimes not getting enough jews
[17:59] <Switches> And no way I'm paying that when I can get an older gen for around £200 lol
[18:00] <Switches> If I could have found a nice LGA1366 board I would have been set, I have two E5620 lying around doing jack.
[18:01] <daftykins> ah har
[18:01] <diddledan> is the 1366 the original i-cpu-series socket?
[18:02] <diddledan> e.g. the i7 920?
[18:02] <diddledan> I've got an i7 920 here unused
[18:02] <daftykins> yep
[18:02] <Switches> Yeah the board is the first gen
[18:03] <Switches> Couldn't find any boards with a respectable price on ebay or any of my local second hand shops, so I got a cheap 1155 for the other Xeon i had lying around.
[18:03] <Switches> brb need coffee
[18:04] <daftykins> too many sockets :(
[18:04] <diddledan> setec astronomy
[18:05] <diddledan> no, wait, that was "secrets"
[18:48] <Anarchy_> o/
[19:05] <Switches> Now that's some good news http://gpuopen.com/compressonator-is-going-open-source/
[19:27] <rubbercable> how do i get unity 3d games to work on 16.04?
[19:28] <daftykins> what've you tried / what happens?
[19:29] <daftykins> actually i don't even know about that ones availability under Linux
[19:29] <rubbercable> white screen on firefox - chnged my nividia to 3d accel already
[19:29] <rubbercable> fresh install, first time on ubuntu since 12.04
[19:36] <rubbercable> daftykins: I thought unity3d was native in ubuntu
[19:52] <daftykins> pass.
[19:52] <rubbercable> I think i might have confused myself between unity and unity3d(windows/mac only).
[19:52] <daftykins> experimental build since august of last year, mmk
[19:54] <rubbercable> nevermind  -  i really came back to ubuntu for juju/conjure-up/openstack&zfs anyway.
[19:56] <rubbercable> and maas :)
[19:56] <daftykins> https://fat.gfycat.com/HandmadeGivingAddax.webm new Uncharted game o0
[19:59] <popey> rubbercable: their web plugin doesn't work on linux
[20:01] <rubbercable> popey: unity3d?
[20:01] <popey> yes
[20:02] <popey> they have a new experimental webgl exporter
[20:02] <popey> and I see they're working on a pure SDL one
[20:02] <popey> but the web plugin is windows only i think
[20:03] <rubbercable> popey: nevermind:) probably would have lost weeks of productive time with that - it's probably for the best
[20:03] <popey> heh
[20:05] <diddledan> perhaps we need to, as nerds, teach the world a lesson that APIs need to be freely usable by turning off the internet: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/in-google-v-oracle-the-nerds-are-getting-owned
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> they did that with sopa and turning off wikipedia and a few other sites for the day.  perhaps a yearly day of protest for that years biggest power grab in computing
[20:08] <diddledan> yeah we need to be bigger asses than that
[20:08] <diddledan> we need to turn off everything that uses a currently free api
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> and make it april 1st so nerds can get rid of the bad jokes and do something useful
[20:09] <diddledan> no, we need it to be painful, not helpful
[20:09] <diddledan> we need to get the world to sit up and take notice
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be painful to technots but useful to nerds
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> the only way you could make it work is if you can get the googles, the ms's and apples on board as they're the only companies a lot of the non technical people have heard of
[21:10] <diddledan> chances this is a hoax? https://twitter.com/pjf/status/730215052750381056
[21:11] <diddledan> I know the name Paul Fenwick but can't remember why


[02:06] <jk^> may i install and update apps and/or OS while i have apps opened, even if those opened apps are the same ones i'm updating in the same moment?
[02:09] <genii> Yes. Altough some may require a restart after, like Firefox
[15:09] <sm0rux> I try to help a friend to get Xubuntu 16.04 on a six years old Fujitsu-Siemens laptop with a brand new SSD disk. Everything looks normal except it say "Operating System not found" when rebooting after installation. Any solution to this?
[18:43] <Kumool> keyboard app shortcut > xdotool key XF86AudioNext > win+PageUp fails (is it simply impossible to bind anything in xubuntu?)
[18:43] <Kumool> i've been trying for days
[19:31] <knome> Kumool, fails in what way?
[19:32] <Kumool> it doesnt work
[23:47] <jhon> hello guys


[00:26] <chris4585> wrst, poke
[00:33] <cyberanger> chris4585: prod
[00:33] <chris4585> cyberanger, hi
[00:33] <cyberanger> chris4585: how's things
[00:34] <cyberanger> seems your connection came and left quite a bit today
[00:34] <chris4585> can't complain
[00:34] <chris4585> probably because I was asleep
[00:34] <chris4585> otherwise I try close xchat if I seem to be disconnecting too much
[00:34] <chris4585> probably because of some downloading I was doing while sleeping
[00:39] <wrst> hey chris4585
[00:40] <wrst> how are you doing?
[00:40] <chris4585> wrst, I saw this and for some reason I thought you would like this very much http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/arios-light-interface-and-heavy.html
[00:41] <wrst> chris4585: i might have to try a live cd or try it in a vm that looks pretty interesting
[00:41] <wrst> thanks for the link
[00:41] <chris4585> yeah it looks really clean
[00:42] <wrst> yes, i must say i have really fallen in love with arch of late chris4585
[00:42] <chris4585> it pretty much has everything that anyone could want
[00:42] <wrst> cool looks neat
[00:42] <chris4585> wrst, hehe arch is <3 I miss it. I only wish I had another (good) spare computer with a real purpose to run arch
[00:43] <wrst> i have been useing it all the time
[00:43] <wrst> lately ubuntu and vm's has been giving me fits, while i will i'm sure go back fulltime to ubuntu right now its serving the puprose
[12:57] <wrst> good morning everyone
[14:01] <wrst> wb chris4585
[14:05] <chris4585> thanks wrst
[14:06] <chris4585> had to 'unplug' the internet temporarily or squeeze the tubes for as much as i could get without getting cut off :)
[14:12] <wrst> ha ha chris4585
[14:12] <wrst> you still running satellite internet?
[14:12] <Xpistos> morning all
[14:12] <Xpistos> wrst
[14:13] <wrst> Xpistos: what's shaking?
[14:19] <Xpistos> hopefully not much today
[14:21] <chris4585> yes
[14:21] <wrst> my first day at work since wed of last week
[14:21] <wrst> i would love to have some other internet option chris4585 but just haven't found a good one yet
[14:22] <chris4585> I'd like to just have cable regardless of who provides it
[14:23] <wrst> i have very slow and expensive dsl
[14:27] <chris4585> I remember when I thought dsl was the shizz lol, I didn't realize back then how much I'd rather of had cable, oh well
[14:27] <chris4585> I've found a way to manage
[14:27] <wrst> our dsl is stable but that's about all i can say the price is crazy
[14:28] <chris4585> I'd like stable, I mean satellite is stable but.. I have to continually work around downloads and when to download them, anything more than a 2mb jpg I have to think twice about
[14:29] <chris4585> our satellite is about $90/mo also
[14:29] <chris4585> I'd love to start a download and come back without worrying "will I have decent internet tomorrow if I download this now?"
[15:11] <wrst> hello Worldspice_Will
[15:11] <Worldspice_Will> hey, what's up?
[15:12] <wrst> putting in my one day at work this week, how are you?
[15:13] <Worldspice_Will> i'm putting in 40 solid hours, i just started this job, can't be perceived as slacking. :)
[15:14] <wrst> ha ha Worldspice_Will it wouldn't be just perceived in my case :)
[15:16] <Worldspice_Will> i came in early today to arrange and decorate my office. now in dire need of some sort of breakfast pastry.
[15:16] <wrst> ha ha i love me some breakfast pasteries
[16:21] <Xpistos> nah, I can only eat cheese danis
[16:22] <Xpistos> or danish rather
[16:22] <Xpistos> or donuts
[16:22] <Xpistos> I like breakfast burritos
[16:24] <wrst> those are good too Xpistos :)
[16:24]  * Xpistos wishes he had a breakfast burrito right now!
[16:26] <wrst> me too or even a lunch burrito
[16:40] <chris4585> wrst, I'm not sure if you got that last bit before I disconnected
[16:43] <wrst> oh i think it was idle chatter about breakfast pasteries chris4585 :)
[16:45] <chris4585> ah well I said.. I'd like stable, I mean satellite is stable but.. I have to continually work around downloads and when to download them, anything more than a 2mb jpg I have to think twice about, our satellite is about $90/mo also
[16:45] <pace_t_zulu> wrst ping
[16:45] <chris4585> I'd love to start a download and come back without worrying "will I have decent internet tomorrow if I download this now?"
[16:47] <Worldspice_Will> Whole foods is right next door to my employer. the bakery calls me daily. :)  I need fuel because I need to learn SNMP and Nagios asap.
[16:48] <Worldspice_Will> I think I'm going to upgrade to Comcast Business at home. I really need the static ip
[16:48] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[16:48] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: unity works in virtualbox now ... virtualbox 4.0
[16:48] <wrst> i have a static ip Worldspice_Will one of the things i do like about my current setup
[16:49] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i need to try it again, last kernel upgrade made it unuseable i may brab the daily build
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i got tired of reinstalling
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its quicker to chroot from a live cd ... if you can do that
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> it's a pretty cool technique
[16:49] <wrst> i have also so that's why i've given it a couple weeks
[16:50]  * wrst adds that to list of things he needs to figure out
[16:51] <Worldspice_Will> Comcast Business is $75/mo for 12/2 Mbps and a static IP.
[16:51] <wrst> Worldspice_Will: i'm out 79 bukcs for dsl and phone
[16:52] <wrst> comcast is not available to me or any thing else really
[16:52] <chris4585> chroot is awesome, not being aware of the power of chroot is like not knowing what food is like
[16:53] <wrst> well chris4585 i like to eat so i guess i need to figure it out :)
[16:53]  * chris4585 nods
[17:01] <Worldspice_Will> I actually work for an ISP now, perhaps I should see if we have an employee discount :)
[17:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst i've done it a few times... it isn't too hard to figure out
[17:09] <wrst> i might check that out tonight i want to get it back to running
[17:09] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: basically you want to boot to the live cd
[17:09] <pace_t_zulu> then you mount the '/' partition for your install
[17:10] <pace_t_zulu> if the '/' partition is at /dev/sda1 you'd do it like this
[17:10] <pace_t_zulu> mkdir /mnt/sda1
[17:10] <pace_t_zulu> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[17:10] <pace_t_zulu> chroot /mnt/sda1
[17:11] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: does that look about right to you?
[17:11] <wrst> ok i think i can do all that without issue
[17:11] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, yep
[17:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: unity is definitely not as responsive gnome
[17:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but they have plenty time to optimize
[17:12] <wrst> yeah i have been having issues with 10.10, so i have been using arch lately
[17:12] <wrst> wish i had stayed with 10.04
[17:12] <chris4585> wrst, pretty much once you run the chroot /mnt/sda1 command, it will allow you to run a terminal as if you were running off the mounted partition... if that makes sense
[17:13] <wrst> yes that does
[17:13]  * wrst is amazed but that does make sense
[17:13] <chris4585> then just exit to get back to normal
[17:13] <wrst> that's easy enough!
[17:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: what kind of problems have you been having with 10.10?
[17:28] <pace_t_zulu> Worldspice_Will: congratulations on the new job
[17:28] <Worldspice_Will> pace_t_zulu, thanks, i'm thrilled and blessed
[17:44] <wrst> slowness pace_t_zulu
[17:44] <wrst> especially using virtual box
[20:34] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i like unity
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: like you said... unfinished - but i like where it's going
[20:35] <vychune> hello
[20:49] <wrst> cyberanger, pace_t_zulu  i may need your help with a screwup
[20:58] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: what's the problem?
[21:05] <wrst> well i was trying to do a good deed and approve a new member on my phone and i declined them
[21:05] <wrst> i sent the user an email anything else i can do?
[21:05] <wrst> or that you or cyberanger can do?
[21:06] <chris4585> I can't wait for unity to be finished
[21:06] <chris4585> I'd like to see the ability to put gadgets and what not on unity somewhere
[21:14] <wrst> chris4585: yes and the ability to move the dock chris4585
[21:14] <chris4585> yeah, I'm not really fond of the whole thing on the left but whatever
[21:15] <wrst> yeah me either
[21:15] <wrst> seems a little silly
[21:15] <chris4585> personally... I think the dock should be optional or module, I'd much rather use awn
[21:15] <chris4585> awn + dockbarx is leetness....
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: why did you deny that owens346 guy?
[22:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i should have read up
[22:54] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: ping
[22:55] <pace_t_zulu> pleia2: we accidentally declined a request for membership ... is there a way to retroactively approve on launchpad?
[22:56] <pleia2> pace_t_zulu: on the team's main LP page there is an "Add member" link
[22:56] <pleia2> you can just add them that way
[22:56] <pace_t_zulu> done
[22:56] <pace_t_zulu> thanks pleia2 :)
[22:56] <pleia2> sure
[22:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: sorted out that owens346 request ... is a member now
[23:03] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: thank you very very much
[23:03] <wrst> pleia2: thanks! for helping pace_t_zulu  fixe my screw up
[23:04] <pleia2> no problem, that's why I'm here :)
[23:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no problem... you are very much on top of approving new members - we can excuse a mistake from time to time ;)
[23:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that's why we're a team
[23:04] <wrst> ha ha and a darn good team pace_t_zulu  :)
[23:04] <pace_t_zulu> i am emailing the guy to explain
[23:05] <wrst> ok i sent him a message also pace_t_zulu  that would be great


[02:11] <sappheiros> how do i load the SSL certificate when it's in a .config folder that doesn't show up in the open dialog window after clicking 'Load'?
[02:11] <sappheiros> in quassel
[02:23] <sappheiros> Please see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086972/how-to-use-ssl-with-quassel-lubuntu-18-10-i386
[02:27] <sappheiros> How do you hide the messages of people joining and parting in Quassel?
[02:49] <sappheiros> got it
[02:59] <Gabranamus> hi there
 Welcome Kimiyasu!
 And in other news, 40 members \o/
 39 ^^
 Does anyone know how to customize the native file dialog? I've noticed there's a file ~/.config/lxqt/filedialog.conf, but it only has a couple of lines and I can't find documentation on possible options and values. One of the things I want to accomplish is to show hidden files by default.
[12:17] <sappheiros> there's no documentation for setting up wifi at https://manual.lubuntu.me/search.html?q=internet
[12:17] <sappheiros> searching 'network' in start menu returns nothing
[12:17] <sappheiros> likewise for alt+f2
[12:17]  * sappheiros checks https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404506
 @marneu [Does anyone know how to customize the native file dialog? I've noticed there's a …], In my case showing hidden files is by default. I switch with ctrl+h
 That only works in Featherpad forme , and only if I don't tick "use native file dialog" in Featherpad's options. Didn't you have Plasma installed? I've noticed that this works differently if Plasma or Xfce are installed alongside LXQt.
 I purged plasma, but maybe there are some "artifacs" that still chage behaivour
 Maybe I should try installing and purging Plasma :D
 sorry, I purged kwin not sure if its the same or include plasma.
 but where you don't see hidden files?
 I usually use the native file dialog with Kate. Ctrl+o to bring it up. Works similarly with Featherpad if you set it to use the native file dialog (it has an option for that).
 You can show hidden files by right-clicking, but that's not convenient.
 Really grates my gears tbh, since I use the file dialog a lot.
[12:33] <sappheiros> is this outdated? https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln151759/how-to-troubleshoot-wireless-network-issues-in-ubuntu-linux-on-your-dell-pc?lang=en#2 they say to 'sudo nm-tool' but 'command not found'
 @marneu [I usually use the native file dialog with Kate. Ctrl+o to bring it up. Works sim …], in mycase ctrl+h works when native filedialog is unclicked.
 when native filedialog is clicked, it doesn't
[12:35] <sappheiros> i'm thinking i don't want to do what dell suggests there regarding configuration files ... that i just need that bw-installer package askubuntu mentioned ... whose page i can't find now
 @HMollerCl yep, same here. But Kate doesn't have that option.
 @marneu [@HMollerCl yep, same here. But Kate doesn't have that option.], so it only use the native?
 Yes, Kate only uses the native one. Same with other applications (e.g. Firefox).
[12:39] <sappheiros> finally, here it is https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
 @marneu [Yes, Kate only uses the native one. Same with other applications (e.g. Firefox).], mmm, couldn't figure out how to make it work.
 (if it could) wei will have to read the cpp manual
 I've read that a couple of times, what's the "cpp manual"? Do you mean the source code?
 @marneu [I've read that a couple of times, what's the "cpp manual"? Do you mean the sourc …], yes...
 cheeky ^^
 credits to @wxl
 Does 18.10 has a graphic interface for installing .deb? Ark doesn't seems to do it.
 probably not, dpkg -i should work tho
 doesn't resolve the dependencies tho
[13:53] <sappheiros> my gnumeric sheets dont' open now in 18.10 :(
[13:54] <sappheiros> nvm it opened from within librecalc, but not if i right-click open on the file ...
[13:55] <sappheiros> time is a real number instead of a date though ...
[15:02] <sappheiros> how do you show only the active desktop's apps in the taskbar?
 right click the taskbar, 'configure "task manager"', check "Show only windows from desktop 'Current'"
[15:10] <sappheiros> Thank you. Please consider changing this design: It's more natural to think it should be under "configure taskbar" rather than "configure task manager" ...
[15:10] <sappheiros> ... maybe ...
[15:10] <sappheiros> or, right clicking on the numbers to 'configure workspaces'
 It's in both places, though - if you "configure panel", there's a section for "widgets", and each item has a gear/menu symbol (depending on icon theme) that leads to the item's options.
[15:18] <sappheiros> i didn't see that.
[15:18] <sappheiros> i did look there, but that was not clear to me
[15:18] <sappheiros> how do i leave feedback? as another example, i would like the OS to tell me keyboard shortcut if present, like windows 10 did (i think), when hovering my cursor over 'lock screen'
[15:18] <sappheiros> i was hoping it would tell me the shortcut is super+l
[15:18] <sappheiros> instead it just says 'lock the current session' and i don't know if there's a shortcut or not
[15:49] <nosmelc> Dumb Question: 18.10 has LXQT, right?
[15:49] <wxl> not dumb and yes
[16:29] <sappheiros> how do i leave feedback? as another example, i would like the OS to tell me keyboard shortcut if present, like windows 10 did (i think), when hovering my cursor over 'lock screen'
[16:43] <CrazyTux> hello, I installed Lubuntu 18.10 yesterday. Installed this app "telegram". But, it couldn't get installed properly. But, there is a icon of it in the menu in Internet group. How can uninstall it completely and remove that icon from the list?
[16:43] <wxl> ultimately this is a question for the telegram folks
[16:43] <CrazyTux> wxl, I am running lubuntu 18.10.
 @CrazyTux [<CrazyTux> hello, I installed Lubuntu 18.10 yesterday. Installed this app "teleg …], how did you install it?
[16:44] <wxl> that's besides the point. the ubuntu repositories do not provide telegram, so we can't support it
[16:44] <CrazyTux> I don't need that app now. I think, it is not installed.
[16:44] <CrazyTux> only the icon is present there.
[16:44] <CrazyTux> I installed it because it was available on Discover.
[16:45] <wxl> you probably installed the snap
 @wxl [<wxl> that's besides the point. the ubuntu repositories do not provide telegram, …], are you sure? I don't have any other repository and sudp apt install teklegram-desktop worked for me
[16:45] <wxl> which, again, telegram is responsible for
[16:45] <CrazyTux> yes. I too was thinking that.
[16:45] <ilyaigpetrov> wxl: but they had an official package in bionic, is it over?
[16:45] <wxl> oh huh this is new i hadn't realized that
 sudo apt install telegram-desktop
[16:46] <wxl> still i bet you it's the snap that did it
[16:46] <wxl> i've heard of problems with snaps not cleaning up after themselves
 in cosmic
[16:46] <wxl> i'd just go delete the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or wherever it might be
[16:46] <CrazyTux> I just checked the installed snap. It says telegram is not installed.
[16:47] <wxl> if it's the deb it's /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop
 sudo apt purge telegram.desktop ??
[16:47] <CrazyTux> I installed another app p7zip from Discover. It is shown in the list of snaps installed.
[16:47] <wxl> purging would be the best way to remove everything
[16:48] <CrazyTux> I tried doing that too
[16:49] <wxl> same name in the snap but good luck finding it https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L99
[16:49] <CrazyTux> wxl, not installed, so not removed.
[16:50] <CrazyTux> I don't need that app now.
[16:50] <CrazyTux> I just want that icon in the menu list removed.
[16:50] <CrazyTux> btw, Lubuntu lxqt is pretty snappy.
[16:51] <CrazyTux> I hope it is stable too.
[16:52] <wxl> find / -type f -name telegramdesktop.desktop 2>/dev/null
[16:52] <wxl> then delete all the instances you find
[16:54] <CrazyTux> wxl, what do I need to do?
[16:54] <wxl> find / -type f -name telegramdesktop.desktop 2>/dev/null
[16:54] <wxl> then delete all the instances you find
[16:54] <CrazyTux> is this a command?
[16:54] <wxl> it's certainly not english XD
[16:55] <CrazyTux> is this a directory I need to navigate to?
[16:55] <wxl> nope
[16:55] <wxl> it explicitly starts from root so you can be anywhere in the filesystem
[16:55] <wxl> it will give you a list of locations
[17:00] <CrazyTux> I am not able to locate it.
[17:01] <wxl> huh
[17:01] <wxl> try logging out and in again
[17:11] <CrazyTux> wxl, I logged in again.
[17:21] <CrazyTux> btw, which software sources should be enabled for lubuntu 18.10?
[17:21] <wxl> the ones you want XD
[17:22] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:22] <wxl> for example there are unsupported options that you still might want
[17:22] <CrazyTux> I still have that icon in the list.
[17:22] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:22] <wxl> you could include ppas that we don't support, but you might want them
[17:22] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:25] <wxl> regarding your icon i don't knwo what's going on
[17:25] <wxl> try:
[17:25] <wxl> find /usr/share -name *telegram*.desktop -type f 2>/dev/null
[17:28] <CrazyTux> wxl, couldn't locate that
[17:29] <wxl> wth
[17:29] <wxl> find ~/.local/share -name *telegram*.desktop -type f 2>/dev/null
[17:32] <CrazyTux> wxl, do I need to find this using file manager?
[17:33] <wxl> find works just as well, if not better
[17:33] <wxl> but you're welcome to try
[17:33] <CrazyTux> wxl, find in the terminal?
[17:33] <wxl> um
[17:34] <wxl> look at the first word in the command i gave you
[17:34] <CrazyTux> ok. I will copy that entirely and paste in the terminal.
[17:35] <CrazyTux> didn't get any result.
[17:36] <wxl> what EXACT steps did you take to install this software?
[17:36] <CrazyTux> I just clicked on install in the Discover.
[17:37] <CrazyTux> it took a lot of time to install that.
[17:37] <CrazyTux> along with that I installed p7zip.
[17:37] <wxl> there's multiple results for telegram
[17:37] <wxl> which one?
[17:38] <aasgk> ...hi
[17:38] <CrazyTux> strangely the icon is of p7zip. But, the name says telegram. desktop.
[17:39] <CrazyTux> when I click on the icon in the menu it won't execute, because there is not telegram app installed. I have removed that.
[17:39] <CrazyTux> but, that icon still persists.
[17:40] <wxl> you still haven't answered me
[17:40] <CrazyTux> wxl, actually I don't remember.
[17:40] <wxl> well then it's hard to know what you did
[17:41] <wxl> so it's hard to fix
[17:41] <CrazyTux> there are two. I chose one of those.
[17:41]  * wxl facepalms
[17:41] <CrazyTux> wxl, ok. let it be.
[17:41] <wxl> ok last attempt:
[17:41] <CrazyTux> ok.
[17:41] <wxl> grep -Ri telegram /usr/share
[17:42] <aasgk> how can i force a lubuntu18.10 installation on a laptop with 1gb ram -125mb for graphic?
[17:42] <wxl> aasgk: force it to do what?
[17:42] <aasgk> to do the installation ;)
[17:42] <teward> aasgk: you shouldn't have to 'force' it to install anything
[17:43] <teward> it should "just work".
[17:43] <wxl> ^ that
[17:43] <teward> are you getting a specific error?
[17:44] <aasgk> not enough memory?
[17:45] <teward> aasgk: show us the exact error you're seeing?
[17:45] <wxl> aasgk: i've done it with 512mb before
[17:45] <teward> because 'not enough memory' sounds like something screwy is going on on your system
[17:45] <teward> wxl: recently?
[17:45] <wxl> yep
[17:45] <teward> with 18.04/18.10?
[17:45] <wxl> with 18.10
[17:45] <wxl> in lxde versions i've done 256 before
[17:46] <aasgk> X Das System hat nicht genug Arbeitsspeicher. Es wird mindestens 1GB benötigt..
[17:46] <CrazyTux> wxl, what does that command do?
[17:46] <aasgk> 1GB are installed, -125 for the internal grafic..
[17:46] <wxl> CrazyTux: searches recursively through /usr/share for any instance of "telegram," in a case insensitive manner
[17:46] <teward> aasgk: so your system has 875 then.  That might mess with things.
[17:47] <CrazyTux> ok
[17:47] <teward> the OS will only see '875' if the system is taking 125 and dedicating to the graphics
[17:47] <teward> hmm...
[17:47] <wxl> still should work
[17:47] <wxl> my usual setup is the 512mb setup i did had 16mb video memory
[17:48] <wxl> can you send a screenshot of that error aasgk ?
[17:49] <CrazyTux> wxl, what do I need to do next?
[17:49] <wxl> CrazyTux: what were the results?
[17:50] <aasgk> ..i will try
[17:51] <CrazyTux> wxl, https://hastebin.com/kenayorehe.makefile
[17:54] <CrazyTux> wxl, did you find anything?
[20:35] <sappheiros> Can alt+f2 not be used for executing commands? for example, 'firefox ewtn.com' instead of just 'firefox'
[20:35] <sappheiros> when i tried it the result indicated it was searching for a file rather than parsing it as a command option
[20:57] <sappheiros> does 18.10 use Qt or LXQt? are they different? do i need to be following https://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Configure_(Ubuntu) to setup japanese keyboard layout?
[20:57] <sappheiros> it appears it uses LXQt, a type of Qt https://lxqt.org/about/
 LXQt is not a type of Qt. It's a desktop environment that uses Qt, like KDE Plasma.
[21:01] <sappheiros> man, i thought KDE, GNOME, and Qt were three different libraries of code to build an OS given a linux kernel
[21:02] <sappheiros> you're saying KDE is ... a graphics manager that uses Qt?
[21:02] <sappheiros> i just need to search KDE and read top results ...
[21:02] <sappheiros> (again)
[21:04] <sappheiros> i installed keyboard - japanese but it's just roman letters like qwerty, not creating japanese script
[21:05] <sappheiros> in fcitx configuration
 KDE, Gnome and LXQt are desktop environments; Qt and GTK are libraries you build applications with. LXQt and KDE use Qt, Gnome uses GTK. ... Don't anything about fcitx, sorry ^^
 Qt and GTK are libraries for building GUI applications.
[21:17] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087249/how-do-i-install-the-japanese-keyboard-layout-in-lubuntu-18-10
[21:17] <sappheiros> thank you
[21:30] <sappheiros> just added more detail re: apt list
[21:34] <wxl> aasgk: remove the "-ram" line in the "required" section at the end of /etc/calamares/modules/welcome.conf. you're right. i didn't test installing, but only booting.
[21:36] <sappheiros> added more detail to https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087249/how-do-i-install-the-japanese-keyboard-layout-in-lubuntu-18-10
[22:11] <lynorian> firefox runs rough with 1 GB of ram if you have that or less I would recommend falkon but that has problems with nvidia apparantly
[22:12] <otyugh> hey
[22:12] <otyugh> after upgrading to lubuntu 18.04 from 16, I have to login twice after suspend
[22:12] <otyugh> any idea ?
 otyugh: Is it the same window/dialog, or do they look different? If it's the latter, you probably have two screenlockers running (e.g. lightdm's light-locker and xscreensaver). You'll have to disable the one that isn't xscreensaver (LXQt is a bit bitchy if you don't use xscreensaver).
[22:37] <otyugh> thanks
[22:38] <otyugh> they looked similar to me but I'm not sure 100%
 You could try opening htop or qps (assuming you're on 18.10) and checking what's running). htop has a handy search function.


[00:05] <ochosi> good
[00:18] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-session 4.14.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-session-4-14-1-released-tp57042.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[00:25] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-settings 4.14.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-settings-4-14-2-released-tp57044.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[00:36] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-panel 4.14.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-panel-4-14-2-released-tp57046.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[19:55] <amerigena> I just downloaded and installed the latest Focal AMD64 build. Works well, except that it doesn't display the letter combination fi correctly.
[19:56] <amerigena> This seems like a bug, but I don't know how it would be reported.
[19:59] <amerigena> And this doesn't occur in all cases. It's strange.
[20:03] <amerigena> It seems to mainly occur with lowercase fi combinations. Uppercase leading characters are unaffected - on this install at least.
[20:03] <amerigena> I.e Firefox, File System desktop icon.
[20:05] <amerigena> But Libreoffice - only the O, c and e are displayed either in the Whiskermenu entry, or in the titlebar when the application is opened.
[20:07] <amerigena> Same behavior in the .desktop files in /usr/share for Network Configuration - f and i are missing. Catfish File Search - f and i are missing from Catifsh, File is unaffected because it's a capital Fi leading character combination.
[20:07] <amerigena> Advanced Network Configuration, same
[20:08] <amerigena> Color Profiles, all Libreoffice .desktop files, Notifications, etc.
[20:08] <amerigena> System is otherwise perfectly normal and functional.
[20:54] <TJ-> maybe t
[20:54] <TJ-> it's a font kerning issue?
[21:40] <amerigena> Don't know
[21:41] <amerigena> Don't even know how to classify it
[21:41] <amerigena> Just seems like an obvious bug of an unobvious type
[21:53] <TJ-> I seem to recall seeing some options to control font rendering but don't know where precisely - one of the settings applets I think
[21:54] <TJ-> Hmmm Appearance > Fonts > Rendering > Hinting maybe?
[22:04] <amerigena> Very good. Changing font should have been the first thing I thought of.
[22:05] <amerigena> So it's not an OS level issue, it's a Noto Sans Regular rendering issue.
[22:05] <amerigena> Liberation Sans displays everything normally.
[22:07] <amerigena> Toggling back to Noto Sans at any font size recreates problem.
[22:09] <TJ-> nice find!
[22:09] <TJ-> what hinting level is set?
[22:09] <TJ-> if set to "None" does that stop it happening?
[22:34] <amerigena> TJ : changing hinting has no effect. Same with any level of antialiasing / hinting.
[22:38] <amerigena> I've tried Liberation, Roboto and Gillius. All work fine. Any Noto Sans variation does not - Regular, Bold or Italic.
[22:49] <amerigena> Right now I'm using Sans Regular with default antialiasing / hinting


[09:31] <Varka> tag
[09:34] <Hobbsee> ?
[10:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: forgot your german already? :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: oh.  didn't think of that


[10:27] <xnox> interesting, who uploaded that =)
[11:25] <zequence> Would anyone like to help sponsor this package, please? Bug: 946591
[11:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946591 in ubuntustudio-live "Add ubuntustudio-live to trusty repositories" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946591
[14:14] <zequence> infinity: Not having much luck finding a sponsor yet. The source should be easy to review. Most of the changes I've done are naming, and removal of files I don't need (just now, anyway). bug: 946591
[14:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946591 in ubuntustudio-live "Add ubuntustudio-live to trusty repositories" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946591
[14:28] <zequence> infinity: What I just wrote makes sense if you know it's a fork of edubuntu-live, but that of course becomes apparent once you have a look at the source
[16:58] <rbasak> I'm still working on fixing zeroc-ice (universe), which is the last package holding the php5 transition in trusty-proposed. It's got stuff hardcoded, hence the delay, and a test build takes forever. So it might not be until tomorrow. Is this an issue for feature freeze?
[17:00] <cjwatson> rbasak: I wouldn't worry too much about FF for that
[17:00] <cjwatson> Don't rush for it :)
[17:00] <cjwatson> Esp if it's nearly done
[17:00] <rbasak> OK. Thanks. Although I've just noticed. doko: you've done it?
[17:00] <cjwatson> I expect we'll be spending a lot of time going through the -proposed backlog after FF
[20:04] <jamespage> if there are any SRU team folk around - please could the NEW packag for bug 1262225 be reviewed for acceptance into precise-proposed
[20:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1262225 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Precise) "openvswitch 1.4.6 is not compatible with the 3.11 saucy HWE kernel" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262225
[20:35] <Sarvatt> for the mesa thats in NEW would it be possible to put the new package (libvdpau1-drivers-mesa) in universe?
[20:35] <jamespage> infinity, slangasek, bdmurray: any chance one of you guys could review my request above?
[20:48] <bdmurray> jamespage: I'll have a look at it
[20:49] <jamespage> bdmurray, thanks
[21:00] <slangasek> jamespage, bdmurray: accepted
[21:00] <slangasek> (sorry, had queued it up for looking while on a call)
[21:52] <bdmurray> slangasek: do you know why openvswitch seems to be in -updates and -proposed?
[21:52] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/1.4.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:54] <arges> bdmurray: not sure why it tried to sync and blamed me
[21:59] <infinity> bdmurray: Things don't get automatically removed from -proposed when they're copied to updates, we clean them up manually, based on the output on pending-sru.html
[22:00] <infinity> bdmurray: I'll tidy right now.
[22:01] <bdmurray> infinity: okay, any idea why there is a synaptiks sync request in the precise-proposed queue? I just released that version for precise
[22:01] <bdmurray> arges: did you run sru-release?
[22:02] <infinity> bdmurray: Blame arges, it's his queue item. :P
[22:02] <infinity> bdmurray: Anyhow, just reject it.  Looks like someone messed up. :P
[22:03] <infinity> Same for the openvswitch sync in there.
[22:03] <infinity> Also done by arges...
[22:03] <bdmurray> infinity: well if he was using sru-release perhaps it should behave differently
[22:03] <infinity> arges: If you're doing copies to -updates, please stop. :)
[22:03] <bdmurray> infinity: he's working with me to be an SRU team member
[22:03] <infinity> bdmurray: It behaves just fine.  It performs a copy.  And if you don't have the permissions to auto-approve, it'll land in the queue.
[22:04] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh, if you're training him up for SRU, cool.  But until I add him to the team, he has no queue admin permissions.
[22:04] <bdmurray> but why should it land in the queue?
[22:05] <arges> infinity: i'm not
[22:05] <infinity> bdmurray: Nothing wrong with the tool there, or LP, they're working as designed.  So, while training, you can get him to run sru-release and then you can manually accept his syncs.
[22:05] <stgraber_> bdmurray: that's what happens if anyone attemps a direct copy to -updates
[22:05] <bdmurray> infinity: okay
[22:05] <infinity> bdmurray: Anything uploaded by someone who can't auto-approve will land in the queue.
[22:05] <arges> infinity: oh so if I run the tool locally it actually modified things?
[22:05] <arges> i thought it errored out because of permissions
[22:06] <infinity> arges: No, you have the permissions to do the copy, just not to ACCEPT the copy.
[22:06] <arges> ah
[22:06] <infinity> A subtle, but important difference.
[22:07] <stgraber> infinity: if you have a minute, mind going through those lxc binNEWs? I'd hate for another distro to beat us to having LXC 1.0 in the archive ;)
[22:07] <arges> infinity: got it. I'll work with bdmurray to do this properly. I'll run that tool with -n to start.
[22:07] <arges> sorry about that
[22:08] <infinity> stgraber: Haven't you heard?  We're removing LXC from the archive because Lennart thinks it's the wrong approach.
[22:09] <infinity> (And someone else must have just done the binNEW review...)
[22:10] <stgraber> infinity: well, then I guess we can just wait for him to merge a kernel and libc in systemd, then we can just do: rm -Rf /srv/ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/pool/*/*/[!systemd]/*
[22:11] <stgraber> all those packages and dependencies and upstreams, it's so complicated when we can just merge everything into a single git tree and release one massive blob every once in a while ;)
[22:12] <infinity> stgraber: I look forward to changing glibc's SONAME from libc.so.6 to systemd-libc.so.1
[22:13] <stgraber> infinity: he'd probably go with something like bionic just because that's different and looks cooler ;)
[22:14] <stgraber> (who needs a fully working libc anyway...)
[22:14] <infinity> stgraber: I'd be surprised if systemd didn't have a hard dep on glibc features.
[22:17] <seb128> can we get arm64 builders?!
[22:18] <infinity> seb128: Some day. :(
[22:18] <seb128> everything is delayed by hours on arm64 today
[22:18] <infinity> Yeah, the feature freeze flood hurt.
[22:18] <infinity> Oh, also, twombly is sick.  Let me fix that.
[22:18] <seb128> thanks
[22:20] <infinity> ... after I remember which PDU it's connected to.
[22:27] <infinity> seb128: Alright, twombly's back, queue should clear soonish.
[22:27] <seb128> infinity, thanks


[08:33] <ikonia> has no-one tested a pi zero2w with 22.04 ? the default arm64 build cannot get past the rainbox boot screen, I do however remember with debian there was point release arm images, is there anything like that on the ubuntu arm builds. All the docs suggest that the default image has an incompatible boot loader image


[21:12] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #185 is now available:
[21:12] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue185