[03:13] <paul_> what do I do when the package manager fails with an update?
[03:20] <rana_> hi
[03:21] <rana_> i'm having some problem installing wine from the software center
[05:04] <rhin0> installed xubuntu 10.04 -- can't get dual screens to work card -- nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310] (rev a1) have downloaded proprietary drive -- anyone?  previously I have had no problems with dual screen.  in settings/display it only shows one screen :(
[05:05] <rhin0> "twinview"?
[05:12] <metap0d> Hi everyone, I want to try Xubuntu and was wondering what the difference between the alternate install cd and normal install cd is? I only have 650mb blank CD-R's and noticed the alternate install is the only one that would fit
[05:13] <charlie-tca> The normal cd is a GUI installer, the alternate install cd is a text based installer. Both result in the same installation
[05:36] <rhin0> any way I get the old type menus of xfce circa xubuntu 10.04 working with the xfce of ubuntu 11.04?  -- I don;'t like them
[07:08] <Rodensky> Using Xubuntu 10.04, suddenly I got a dialog window with the following text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/632198/
[08:03] <gr8m8> Rodensky: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:03] <Rodensky> no
[08:03] <Rodensky> not that i know of anyways
[08:03] <Rodensky> i never installed it
[08:04] <gr8m8> you probably don't then - did anything happen after the popup?
[08:16] <jarnos> I consider installing mythbuntu on xubuntu. If I install mythbuntu-desktop, xfce4-notifyd and thus xubuntu-desktop will be removed. I suppose upgrading is not as easy, if I remove xubuntu-desktop.
[09:24] <Rodensky> i never installed it
[09:24] <Rodensky> o sorry
[09:25] <Rodensky> wron button
[09:25] <Sysi> jarnos: easier than when you have two metapackages.. it will upgrade every single package and doesn't care about desktop-metapackages
[09:25] <Rodensky> I lost sound again
[09:41] <poptisse> Can anyone explain the following -
[09:41] <poptisse> Open CompizConfig-settings manager (if you don't find it, just install it from Ubuntu Software Center).      Enable Workarounds -> Force full screen redrews (buffer swap) on repaint     Disable Workarounds -> Don't wait for video sync
[09:42] <poptisse> The specific part being disable workarounds -> Don't wait for video sync and Enable Workarounds -> Force full screen redrews (buffer swap) on repaint
[09:51] <Rodensky> please help me with this problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/632266/
[09:55] <poptisse> I have an issue with compizconfig settings I am not too sure how to apply some settings for a fix i am rather confused about it.
[10:05] <gr8m8> Rodensky: you need to find what you installed that has kde controlling the sound and remove it/configure it it seems
[10:05] <Rodensky> gr8m8, how do I do that?
[10:06] <gr8m8> Rodensky: in the package manager I would search the installed packages for kde
[10:06] <gr8m8> phonon is kde's sound server
[10:07] <Rodensky> gr8m8, I need the KDE packages for several softwares I'm using, is there no way to fix the problem without removing the packages?
[10:08] <gr8m8> Rodensky: I don't know what or where starts kde's phonon sound server or what to do about it - maybe someone in #kde might know
[10:08] <Rodensky> ok thanks!
[10:08] <gr8m8> luck
[11:22] <urnenfeld> Hello, I have installed xubuntu in a desktop where I had previously kubuntu. First one is not getting properly the screen resolutions as the second. Is it somewhat known or an easy fix?
[13:28] <jarnos> Have anyone else experienced that resuming from suspend to RAM is occasionally very slow in 11.04?
[14:13] <BlackBerries> I have just done a fresh install of 10.10 and installed openvpn via the terminal. I import the config file - and the apply button is grayed out so I can't save the vpn and connect.
[14:23] <Mandrew> hello
[14:24] <Mandrew> is there a plug in for thunar that displays the amount of files under the folder so i dont need to enter it to find out?
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Mandrew: you agreed to folow the guidelines when you enter the channel. Please do so.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> !guidelines
[14:40] <BlackBerries> openvpn wont work in xubuntu
[14:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to make vpn work
[14:42] <Mandrew> BlackBerries, you already have a vpn settings panel in xubuntu that you can use, its just to add the vpn server settings into that
[14:42] <BlackBerries> It wont work
[14:43] <BlackBerries> It just constantly says
[14:43] <BlackBerries> connection failed
[14:43] <BlackBerries> Though the details are correct
[14:43] <Mandrew> ok
[14:43] <BlackBerries> It's not VPN side its something wrong with xubuntu
[14:43] <BlackBerries> I have got it working in ubuntu 11.04 on my laptop with openvpn
[14:44] <BlackBerries> but for some reason
[14:44] <BlackBerries> it does not want to work on xubuntu on my desktop
[14:45] <Mandrew> ok
[14:46] <Mandrew> well i have no idea right now how to fix the vpn problem you have just changed to xubuntu myself
[14:46] <Cenbe> Have you tried vpnc? Works well here.
[14:47] <BlackBerries> I don't have a cisco vpn
[14:51] <BlackBerries> it says
[14:51] <BlackBerries> connection refused :l
[14:51] <BlackBerries> ffs
[15:03] <BlackBerries_> Mandrew: hey
[15:03] <BlackBerries_> sorry i d/c
[15:03] <Cenbe> Is there a way to disable autocomplete in Thunar's location dialog (ctrl-L)?
[15:05] <Mandrew> np BlackBerries_
[15:06] <Mandrew> did you get the askubuntu.com post?
[16:03] <xubuntu545> ciao a tutti
[16:04] <xubuntu545> sono nuovo e vorrei far si che le estensioni si vedano sempre
[16:04] <xubuntu545> come fare??
[17:59] <madnick> Hello, I'm getting: "reboot not tainted", and my computer refuses to reboot/shutoff
[17:59] <madnick> I have tried some grub settings, like acpi=force, pci=reboot
[17:59] <madnick> but no luck
[18:32] <mayko> so I just reinstalled Xubuntu11.04 and my home folder is on another partition
[18:32] <mayko> but try as I might I can't seem to get my fstab settings right
[18:32] <nady> למי היגעתי
[18:33] <mayko> UUID=f6fb50fc-6709-47be-beeb-f1448e8a42ff /home 	reiserfs defaults       0       2
[18:34] <nady> ?
[18:35] <mayko> when I get to the username/pswd screen and log in, it blanks, displays text too fast to read, and then returns me to the nsr/pswd screen
[18:35] <mayko> works fine if i comment out that line
[18:35] <mayko> halp! <3
[18:41] <GridCube> i don't know why but my installer started a "complete upgrade of the system"
[18:41] <GridCube> D:
[18:41] <GridCube> i dont want that
[19:46] <mayko> aaaaaaand fixed. had to update the crypttab file so that the encrypted partition could be mounted on login :D
[20:58] <andyc> god are all nicks registered :S
[20:59] <moetunes> no
[20:59] <andyc> thankgod oh well guess ill need to ind a unregistered nick later and get helkp later :)
[21:00] <Mandrew> is there a Déjà Dup back up tool like software for xfce/ xubuntu?
[21:12] <stoerenungeheuer> hello there, does anybody know, how to tell xfce4 to rotate *all* displayed in the panel by 90 degrees?
[21:14] <GridCube> mmm
[21:14] <GridCube> you can rotate the text?
[21:14] <stoerenungeheuer> thats what im asking
[21:14] <GridCube> mmm i see
[21:14] <GridCube> no idea soryy
[21:14] <GridCube> r^
[21:39] <Poptisse> "First, copy the easy-rsa directory to /etc/openvpn." - Where can I locate easy-rsa?
[21:39] <Wizard> good evening
[21:40] <Poptisse> Hey wizard
[21:40] <Poptisse> Fixed the screen tearing, but now stuck with openvpn ha ha
[21:40] <Poptisse> I like how an official ubuntu tutorial does not even tell ya where easy-rsa is lol
[21:41] <Wizard> both locate and apt-cache gave no results
[21:41] <Wizard> neither my wisdom ;P
[21:42] <Poptisse> whats the command? I'll do it myself if not i will have to create it i guess
[21:42] <Poptisse> though it makes out it alreayd exists
[22:17] <stoerenungeheuer> so the content of the xfce4 panel cannot be rotated by 90 degrees? (everything, incl. text)?
[22:20] <Mandrew> i want my xubuntu to be in pirate
[22:21] <stoerenungeheuer> oh, nevermind i found the xfce channel :)
[22:21] <Mandrew> hehe
[22:42] <Wizard> in pirate?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Mandrew: use deja-vue ? It will work the same as in Ubuntu
[22:43] <charlie-tca> well, no
[22:43] <charlie-tca> deja-dup is the right one for backup
[22:45] <Mandrew> charlie-tca, so there is no "native" back up tool then for xfce?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Not one written by the Xfce developers, no
[22:46] <charlie-tca> anything that works in GTK would be a good choice, though, since that is what Xfce is based on
[22:46] <Mandrew> ok
[22:46] <Mandrew> aah well ill give it a go then, just wanted to stick with everything in xfce ;) im a new user of xfce and xubuntu
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is based on Ubuntu, so that whatever is in the Ubuntu Repositories should work with it
[22:47] <charlie-tca> It saves a lot of work if you don't have to re-write everything
[22:48] <Mandrew> that is true
[22:49] <Mandrew> lol software center just gave up on me :)
[22:50] <Mandrew> oooh no not that tosser again ;)
[22:52] <charlie-tca> I just use Synaptic Package Manager
[22:55] <Mandrew> i started up task manager and killed the process, that made it a bit happier
[22:59] <Mandrew> actually im wondering is there a security software that one can install in *buntu that works like you have usb-stick/ memory card as a "verification key" with out it you cant login on the computer
[23:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know. You could store the entire /home directory on USB and remove it when you are not at the computer. Then all your data would be safe
[23:01] <charlie-tca> You can Encrypt the /home, and carry the stick with you at all times.
[23:01] <Mandrew> that is a bloody smart thing
[23:03] <Mandrew> but then again a usb-stick cant store that much info, so it kind off falls on that
[23:04] <charlie-tca> How much? 128gb, 256gb?
[23:05] <Mandrew> well not that much though
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Then a 256GB thumb drive would be big enough
[23:06] <charlie-tca> You could keep the entire operating system on it, even, if the system will boot from usb
[23:07] <Mandrew> but i dont know if one can make mot than one /home but that would in its self kill the purpose with it, if one have a usb-stick on lets say 16 gb, its just to store the info one wants on it
[23:07] <Mandrew> the carry the sensitive info on that
[23:08] <charlie-tca> You only need one home, you divide it into partitions to use both the hard drive and usb stick, like
[23:09] <charlie-tca> making /home/mandrew/most_of_my_music and /home/mandrew/encrypted_data_on_usb
[23:10] <charlie-tca> The OS doesn't care how many partitions /home/mandrew is split into, as long as they are valid partitions
[23:10] <Mandrew> so i can pin a /home on two different partitions?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I do it on some of my systems
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I have /home/charlie/
[23:11] <Mandrew> that is some deep stuff
[23:11] <charlie-tca> and /home/charlie/VirtualBox and /home/charlie/Music and /home/charlie/Downloads
[23:11] <charlie-tca> all on three hard drives
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Nothing says they must all be in one drive, but it does cause problems if they are not all there at boot
[23:12] <Mandrew> how do i wright that into the installer? i have made a swap, /, and a /home on my OS
[23:12] <charlie-tca> You use manual/other partitioning, and create what you want
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Where that little box is to choose the mount point, type it in instead of picking one
[23:13] <Mandrew> ok
[23:14] <charlie-tca> It took me a few times to get the partitions I wanted. It was not a one time shot for me
[23:14]  * charlie-tca might be a little slow sometimes, too
[23:15] <Mandrew> that is wicked stuff though
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Some of the power of linux
[23:15] <charlie-tca> !partitions
[23:16] <charlie-tca> There' s some more information on it, but I haven't read all that.
[23:17] <Mandrew> ok cool ill add that to my wicked list
[23:17] <Mandrew> QtParted is that for gnome or kde?
[23:18] <Mandrew> !PartitionManager
[23:18] <Mandrew> !QtParted
[23:18] <charlie-tca> q apps are usually kde, g apps are gnome/gtk
[23:18] <Mandrew> aah ok
[23:19] <charlie-tca> gparted is the one you want
[23:19] <Mandrew> yea that is the one im used to
[23:21] <Mandrew> i havent used kubuntu that much, its not really my flavor, looks like broken x-mas tree decoration to me :S to much stuff going on there
[23:26] <Mandrew> aah well charlie-tca  thanks for the tip with the partitions
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yw
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I am the same way with Kubuntu, I do test it, but it is very hard for me to use it.
[23:31] <Mandrew> yes the same with gnome 3 and unity
[23:32] <Mandrew> to much things going on there
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Unity is great for the beginning linux from windows user.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> They expect it to be differenct, and it is. But it is quite easy for them to learn.
[23:36] <Mandrew> i think that xubuntu is a great newbie distro
[23:37] <charlie-tca> It is more aimed at intermediate users with some experience. Ubuntu installs almost everything the new user needs. Xubuntu doesn't do that.
[23:37] <Mandrew> the one who thought of making it possible to open folders in the terminal is a genius
[23:37] <charlie-tca> It is harder to get some stuff working in Xubuntu that "just works" in Ubuntu
[23:38] <Mandrew> you think? i havent had any trouble so far
[23:39] <Mandrew> so long one stick with the stuff in software center you be ok i reckon
[23:40] <Mandrew> but i dont know what newbies normally try to do or where they mess up
[23:42] <charlie-tca> Well, like the issues with vpn, which normally works in Ubuntu. Some of the video issues, are not in Ubuntu
[23:42] <charlie-tca> also, Ubuntu-One fails badly for us
[23:44] <Mandrew> like play back of videos?
[23:47] <Mandrew> yea i saw that a user had some trouble to install openvpn earlier today
[23:48] <Mandrew> ubuntu-one doesnt have support for anything els than ubuntu yet or have i got that all wrong?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> I think kubuntu has ubuntuone, and windows might too, now


[01:04] <LaserJock> anybody know what happened to mozilla-mplyer in Oneric? I can't seem to find it
[01:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: tried gecko-mediaplayer ?
[01:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no
[01:29] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to find a media player for Firefox
[01:29] <LaserJock> totem doesn't seem to want to play files
[01:29] <LaserJock> VLC crashes Firefox
[01:31] <ajmitch> gecko-mediaplayer is supposedly the replacement for mozilla-mplayer, according to its description
[01:32] <LaserJock> ok, I'll give that a try
[09:02] <Rhonda> huhm.
[09:03] <Rhonda> 197M hardy  284M lucid  281M maverick  340M natty  407M oneiric  411M precise
[09:03] <Rhonda> Either my cowbuilder chroots are strange, or there was a fair amount of expansion in the base packages?
[09:03] <lifeless> wow, yes
[09:05]  * Rhonda goes with --login --safe-after-login and tries to check what could get removed. :)
[09:06]  * Rhonda . o O ( --save-after-login works better )
[11:49] <dupondje> lets check what we can sync today :D
[12:30] <dupondje> Could somebody check if we still need http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486899 ?
[12:49] <mok0> Hm, oneiric chat not working for me
[12:52] <azeem_> oh hi mok0
[12:53] <azeem_> long time no see
[12:53] <mok0> azeem_: yeah, not so active these days
[12:53] <azeem_> I finally uploaded qutemol to Debian, FYI
[12:53] <azeem_> I still have you as Uploader, but I can remove that if you prefer
[12:53] <mok0> azeem_: ah you did! Good for you!
[12:54] <mok0> azeem_: I am not a dm
[12:54] <azeem_> that's not necessary to be an Uploader
[12:54] <azeem_> in theory, you can prepare packages, and a DD sponsors
[12:54] <azeem_> (it's easier as DM, cause then you can upload directly)
[12:54] <azeem_> just saying
[12:55] <azeem_> also, I don't expect lots of activity on that packages :)
[12:55] <azeem_> package*
[12:55] <mok0> azeem_: I haven't looked at qutemol in quite a while... did you get a newer version?
[12:55] <azeem_> no, they stopped developing it
[12:56] <azeem_> maybe I updated to a couple later subversion revisions, don't remember
[12:56] <mok0> azeem_: ... but that's not prohibitive for uploading it`
[12:56] <mok0> ?
[12:56] <azeem_> yeah
[12:56] <azeem_> it's sorta complete :)
[12:56] <azeem_> if it works, it's pretty awesome - if your X driver isn't supported - tough luck
[12:57] <mok0> azeem_: those guys were computer scientists, not scientists :-)
[12:57] <mok0> azeem_: well, the application could use some work
[12:57] <azeem_> oh, I see there is an RC bug about the new -Werror=format-security
[12:58] <azeem_> and yeah, the UI isn't super
[12:58] <tumbleweed> dupondje: have you tried yourself? Youc na install pkgbinarymangler in your build environment (and you probably should, if you want to match the launchpad build environment)
[12:58] <mok0> azeem_: I have been talking to picca about Coot
[12:59] <azeem_> hui, that looks nice as well
[12:59] <mok0> azeem_: it might be good to get that into Debian as well
[13:00] <mok0> azeem_: but a number of dependencies need to go in first
[13:00] <azeem_> ok
[13:00] <azeem_> I'll add it to the Debichem todo when I get home
[13:01] <mok0> azeem, great
[13:07] <azeem_> mok0: I guess clipper, gpp4 and mmdb are crystollography packages as well, and should get maintained along coot
[13:08] <mok0> azeem_: indeed
[13:08] <mok0> I maintain all of them in Ubuntu
[13:09] <mok0> azeem_: but Coot is still in my PPA only
[13:09] <azeem_> ah, ok
[13:10] <azeem_> mok0: why didn't upload coot to Ubuntu then?
[13:11] <mok0> azeem_: There are a number of quirks in the package that need to be resolved...
[13:11] <azeem_> ok
[13:11] <cjwatson> dupondje: if it still builds a nested package, you still need that change
[13:11] <mok0> azeem_: and second, I wasn't sure if anybody else were interested
[13:12] <azeem_> is e.g. mmdb used by other packages as well?
[13:12] <mok0> azeem_: coot users seem to want to compile it themselves
[13:12] <mok0> azeem_: it's a dependency of gpp4
[13:12] <mok0> azeem_: ... and clipper
[13:12] <azeem_> ok, is any of those used by other packages?
[13:13] <mok0> azeem_: no
[13:13] <mok0> azeem_: I don't think so :-)
[13:13] <mok0> azeem_: although some users might use them to link their own programs
[13:13] <azeem_> yeah
[13:14] <mok0> azeem_: ... if you don't want to download and install the 1Gb CCP4 distribution :-)
[13:14] <azeem_> heh
[13:15] <mok0> azeem_: which incidentally has it's own very peculiar idea of where to place programs and libraries
[13:36] <dupondje> err stupid question, but how can I check it builds a nested package?
[13:38] <Rhonda> What do you mean with nexted package? And what's "it"?
[13:38] <Rhonda> nested*
[13:38] <Laney> ghc up
[13:38]  * Laney hands the rebuilds to iulian :-)
[13:39] <Rhonda> ah, context is in lastlog.
[13:42] <dupondje> Rhonda: cfr cdebootstrap :)
[13:43] <Laney> or it would be if I knew how to type "-sa"
[13:52] <Laney> *now* it is up
[13:56] <Laney> cjwatson: ^ incase you want to score ppc up
[14:22] <cjwatson> dupondje: grep for dpkg-deb I guess
[14:22] <cjwatson> or peruse the build log
[14:22] <cjwatson> Laney: done
[14:58] <Amaranth> ep
[14:58] <Amaranth> err
[15:34] <Laney> ta
[18:01] <jtaylor> hyperair: please duplicate into the bug with the most info ._.
[18:03] <jtaylor> I wonder if something will be done about the broken gtk2 filechoser
[18:03] <jtaylor> its really annoying and not so easy to run of .7 from debian due to multiarch
[18:04] <jtaylor> ups wrong channel for that
[18:07] <zooko> Hello folks! If there is anyone here who loves Tahoe-LAFS and Ubuntu, you might want to update this wiki page to reflect the new arrival of Oneiric: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/OSPackages
[18:07] <Laney> why us?
[18:08] <zooko> Laney: if you do not love Tahoe-LAFS and Ubuntu, then I didn't mean you. ;-)
[18:09] <Laney> :P
[18:21] <jtaylor> gna does the login for uds work for anyone?
[18:22] <jtaylor> I only get an unencrypted login, and I'm not going to use that, the regular one does not stick
[18:25] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: login to what?
[18:36] <jtaylor> meeting details
[18:37] <tumbleweed> you mean etherpad?
[18:38] <jtaylor> yes
[18:39] <tumbleweed> it's an https iframe inside an http page
[18:40] <tumbleweed> hit the "open pad in a separate window" link to break out the iframe
[18:42] <jtaylor> can't find that link
[18:42] <jtaylor> but I copied it from the source
[18:42] <jtaylor> still won't let me login ._.
[18:42] <jtaylor> though I'm logged in in the outer frame ..
[18:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's different, that's summit, this is pad
[18:43] <broder> you have to login separately because it's asking for permission to access some of your group memberships
[18:43] <tumbleweed> have a link: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-p-plenary-dpl
[18:43] <tumbleweed> (not that you should edit that)
[18:44] <jtaylor> "Your page was stale."
[18:45] <tumbleweed> worksforme :/
[18:45] <jtaylor> ok now it worked in firefox, it didn't before
[18:45] <jtaylor> opera still gives me trouble :/
[18:45] <tumbleweed> non-free browsers, tsk tsk :)
[18:46] <jtaylor> I#d use a free one if they wouldn't suck so much ._.


[02:27] <TrentH> Is this for L-Ubuntu?
[02:27] <TrentH> How do I disable my trackpad while typing? Also my FN-Keys are unable to control the brightness.
[02:32] <lynorian> TrentH, if it is a synaptic trackpad you can run synclient touchpadoff=1 to turn it all the way off and synclient touchpadoff=0 to turn it back on again
[02:34] <TrentH> I'm not sure if it's a synaptic trackpad or not.
[02:34] <TrentH> I'm using an Acer Aspire One 14
[02:40] <TrentH> Wait that's not what I meant.
[02:40] <TrentH> In windows there is an option to disable while typing.
[15:25] <theos> hi
[18:47] <Jakey3> how do i install lxqt on ubuntu server 14.04
[18:47] <Jakey3> ?
[19:18] <Reiji> hi
[19:19] <Reiji> can somebody help me? I have installed lubuntu and I can log in to session called lxde and lubuntu. The lxde one is just plain lxde. can I remove the lubuntu session?
[22:28] <flyback> really confusing documentation here
[22:28] <flyback> does vino work as a vnc server for lubuntu or not
[22:30] <flyback> nm i finally found it
[22:34] <swift110> hey all
[23:40] <sunz> Don't mind me, just testing an irc client


[00:12] <pac1> join #ubuntu-meta
[18:58] <AltrortlA> Hello dears... I got a problem with LAN... (I can't share my LAN connection with Xp to another PC with Kubuntu). KnetworkManager sSays device ETH0 unmanaged. Some tips?
[18:59] <AltrortlA> Sorry... not the right place
[19:03]  * jussi01 hugs AltrortlA
[19:04] <AltrortlA> Hi jussi01... old friend, same problem ... (i got)
[19:04] <jussi01> AltrortlA: as you noted, not really right place  :)
[19:05] <AltrortlA> jussi01: Yes, i apologize
[19:05] <jussi01> AltrortlA: no probs :)
[19:07] <AltrortlA> jussi01: May you help me?
[19:08] <jussi01> AltrortlA: here? if iits within the scope of the channel. Im rather distracted atm though
[19:13] <AltrortlA> jussi01: thanks the same dear
[19:21] <cjohnston> jussi01: ping


[00:51] <thompa> i used the ubuntu to ubuntu studio upgrade method but missing studio login screen as well as volume control in panel. also windows theme is wrong
[00:54] <bjoe> I done this in ubuntustudio https://soundcloud.com/simp10plus/simp10plus13eighths-4bassnbeat
[00:56] <len-dt> thompa, There are some things in /etc that will not be upgraded by installing packages. The themes may be there, but the setting to select the theme would not be.
[00:56] <bjoe> i just installed 12.10 on sda1 and think i shoulda left  where to install the boot loader to sda instead of changeing it to sda1 because it boots up into  grub rescue
[00:57] <len-dt> thompa, have you installed ubuntustudio-default-settings?
[00:57] <thompa> len-dt, yea I figured. I am following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[00:57] <bjoe> i dont know what would be faster, figuring out how to fix or installing again
[00:57] <thompa> hmmm
[00:58] <thompa> I cant move my files to windows partition cause its too full so reinstall not option
[00:58] <thompa> len-dt, my terminal has no prompt either now
[00:58] <thompa> I think i need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop first
[00:59] <thompa> len-dt, there is no package called ubuntustudio-default settings
[01:00] <bjoe> reinstalling is what I have chose to do
[01:00] <thompa> len-dt, nevermind i found it
[01:00] <thompa> bjoe, for what
[01:00] <thompa> you should not have to reinstall
[01:00] <len-dt> thompa, I have personally never tried switching from vanilla to studio. So I am just trying to figure out what packages are all there.
[01:01] <bjoe> to get grub to boot the correct partition
[01:01] <bjoe> too late i allready started reinstalling
[01:01] <len-dt> bjoe, switching the place grub is installed is not that hard.
[01:01] <len-dt> OK
[01:02] <thompa> I think studio uses some xcfe stuff and i may have purged that too.
[01:02] <thompa> bjoe, is it the orger you want to change?
[01:02] <thompa> *order
[01:02] <bjoe> len-dt, getting me to figure out how to do it seems impossible i dont understand grub
[01:03] <len-dt> Ya, I can figure out the command, but the next time a new kernel comes in I am not sure it would stick.
[01:04] <thompa> bjoe, http://www.unixmen.com/grub-customizer-2-5-5-is-available-customize-grubburg-from-a-gui-interface/
[01:05] <thompa> thats the gui link. you can also do a grub reinstall
[01:05] <bjoe> thanks, I would have to reenter all the networking stuff to get online .
[01:06] <bjoe> i'm in the install now. I want sda1 to be where I install  ubuntustudio and i could care less about booting  sda2 or sda3
[01:07] <thompa> oh at the install ok
[01:07] <thompa> just do a custom install. the last option
[01:08] <bjoe> so do i select /dev/sda  as the place for the bootloader and then change /dev/sda1 to mount at /
[01:08] <bjoe> ?
[01:08] <thompa> there you can see the sds. delete or format sda1 and recreate
[01:08] <bjoe> i'm at the custom install
[01:08] <bjoe> yeah
[01:08] <thompa> yes
[01:08] <thompa> you got it
[01:09] <bjoe> what about the bootloader? last time i selected sda1 as where the bootloader goes and added the bootflag
[01:09] <thompa> leave the bootloader default i think its sda
[01:09] <bjoe> cool
[01:09] <thompa> no
[01:09] <thompa> it should be sda i think
[01:10] <bjoe> ok i did have grub bouncing around all over the place before with windows and a couplea linux partitions
[01:11] <bjoe> the boot flag was on the ntfs partition sda2 before should I change that back?
[01:12] <bjoe> i guess it doesn't matter
[01:12] <thompa> it does
[01:13] <bjoe> which partition does the boot flag need to be on?
[01:13] <thompa> ntfs will be detected so it should be sda
[01:13] <bjoe> ok i think if i leave sda as where the bootloader goes it should figure it out
[01:13] <thompa> if you go back a step what is the default?
[01:13] <thompa> yes
[01:14] <thompa> you got it
[01:14] <thompa> dont mess with it
[01:14] <thompa> only format sda1 of course /
[01:14] <bjoe> yes copying files now
[01:14] <thompa> all the other stuff will be detected.
[01:14] <thompa> well good luck
[01:17] <thompa> the ubuntustudio desktop meta package seems to be missing files. i am going to have to install all of it piece by piece
[01:17] <bjoe> cool it doesn't matter about the other partitions booting. the registry is screwed from some old trojan on windows and i got  my kernel and video adapter out of version sync  on the ubuntu. it's quicker to start over  but i have data opn both the other partitionsd that needs to be kept
[01:17] <thompa> ya you can pull that data over from studio
[01:18] <thompa> it will mount the others
[01:18] <bjoe> thank goodness.
[01:19] <bjoe> I'm hoping I can use the other ubuntu partition as a home mount point and just erase all the stuff i dont need
[01:20] <bjoe> thompa what are you doing ?
[01:20] <thompa> well that you could have assigned at the install
[01:21] <thompa> i have an old ubuntu system converting to ubuntustudio. It wont change the themes and missing stuff
[01:21] <bjoe> I can do that from gparted too cant I
[01:21] <bjoe> I had that happen once with gnome lost all the themes except the whited out one
[01:21] <thompa> it will have created /home already on sda1
[01:22] <thompa> I think ubuntu unity crap did something
[01:22] <thompa> you could use the extra partition as storage.
[01:23] <thompa> just leave your home call the other one data or backup or video
[01:23] <thompa> something like that.
[01:24] <thompa> you have some work cut out if you change /home i think. i cant remember
[01:24] <bjoe> don't you have to change to like xfce window manager or something to get the ubuntustudio theme?
[01:24] <bjoe> openbox is good to use with old systems
[01:24] <thompa> yea it uses a bit of both
[01:25] <thompa> i purged xcfe and them wont come back . it should with ubuntustudio install
[01:25] <bjoe> i don't know how to add entries into the logon thing but that would be the way to go like clone your xfce, gnome, cairo or whatever and then do openbox -replace
[01:26] <thompa> thats a cool idea.
[01:26] <thompa> my machine is pretty fast. 8 processors with nvidia
[01:26] <bjoe> dang
[01:26] <thompa> tor is it 6 sorry
[01:26] <bjoe> i guess you dont need openbox haha
[01:27] <thompa> something in the default install is not pulling in or replacing ubuntu
[01:27] <bjoe> mine is configuring boot loader
[01:28] <bjoe> runningf update-grub that is probably what i shoulda done but i think mine loaded grub1 or something
[01:28] <thompa> i found the quantal list of packages for studio so will have to just check all those
[01:29] <bjoe> did you upgrade to quantal?
[01:29] <thompa> i think you did the right thing
[01:29] <thompa> yes
[01:29] <bjoe> i tried that from a terminal with my messed up 12.04 and it wouldn't upgrade. I was stuck in every direction I tried
[01:30] <bjoe> rebooting
[01:31] <thompa> ubuntu made a mistake with the rythmbox autoplay feature. I cant ever find it and if volume control is missing you got to reopen it
[01:31] <thompa> its a left over from unity and studio should dump this
[01:31] <bjoe> i've not ever run it
[01:32] <thompa> what do you use for making music?
[01:32] <bjoe> i mostly use pure data. i have been wanting to find a good midi sequencer but my pure data patch is so big it takes all the processing power that my desktop has
[01:33] <bjoe> i think that non sequencer might work. qtractor and muse are great but they crash a lot
[01:34] <thompa> ardour crashes often here
[01:34] <bjoe> yes it booted
[01:34] <thompa> but its fun because there are lots of programs to choose from
[01:34] <bjoe> ardour worked great for me just recording tracks
[01:35] <thompa> I meant openshot crashes
[01:35] <bjoe> they were supposed to add midi but I didnht see it last time i looked
[01:35] <thompa> i was making a music video
[01:35] <bjoe> openshot did have some bad crashes for me too
[01:37] <thompa> im stumped. I dont have the greybird style available. also no seperate menu entries for audio prod and so on
[01:38] <thompa> im going to try a reboot after this. good luck bjoe
[01:39] <bjoe> cool   thanks
[01:39] <bjoe> good luck to you too
[01:42] <thompa> bjoe, i found the culprit. The studio meta package is not installing studio menu. I should file a bug
[01:43] <Len-nb> The studio meta package should not have the menu in it.
[01:43] <thompa> oh
[01:43] <thompa> what about studio settings?
[01:43] <Len-nb> That is in the ubuntustudio-default-settings package
[01:44] <thompa> did not install from there
[01:44] <Len-nb> It will only show if you have the ubuntustudio session though.
[01:44] <Len-nb> It will not show on a plain xfce install.
[01:44] <thompa> oh so maybe thats why no login splash
[01:44] <Len-nb> or xfce session
[01:45] <thompa> thats where im at. I went back and followed the help page instructions but it wont work
[01:45] <Len-nb> The login screen is lightdm.
[01:45] <thompa> cool. Thanks
[01:46] <Len-nb> So lightdm would have to be setup to use the US theme.
[01:46] <thompa> I think I went from ubuntu to xfce some time ago then studio
[01:46] <thompa> but there is no command for ubuntustudio install
[01:47] <thompa> i just installed studio menu and it unistalled the settings
[01:48] <Len-nb> the ubuntustudio-menu package is not up to date.
[01:48] <thompa> The following packages will be REMOVED: ubuntustudio-default-settings if I do studio menu
[01:49] <Len-nb> It was for adding the menu to a gnome desktop... which is no longer used by anyone.
[01:49] <thompa> any idea how to get to a ubuntustudio setup default
[01:50] <Len-nb> I have always installed from ISO. I have not done the install from vanilla/whatever switch to studio.
[01:51] <Len-nb> The idea is that the desktop of choice is installed and then the studio metas are used to install studio apps while keeping the desktop the same as install
[01:51] <thompa> that would explain my problem. I should be able to go back to a basic ubuntu and install from here at least
[01:52] <Len-nb> Things have kind of gone sideways since about 11.10
[01:52] <thompa> Len-nb, thats very interesting thanks.
[01:52] <thompa> i am going to try and fix it without reinstalling
[01:52] <Len-nb> It should be possible.
[01:53] <thompa> I have had ubuntu on this for a couple years
[01:53] <thompa> I think I need to reinstall some settings like gdm
[01:53] <Len-nb> We don't use GDM anymore.
[01:53] <thompa> oh great
[01:53] <Len-nb> The ubuntu standard is lightdm now.
[01:54] <Len-nb> I think all the ubuntus use that.
[01:54] <thompa> thats right i remember that now
[01:54] <bjoe> i think it's working great
[01:55] <thompa> I was running debian stable before that
[01:55] <bjoe>  i can run my patch at least. just gotta either copy over the iem filters or grab the source and install them
[01:55] <Len-nb> gnome2 is no longer being supported
[01:55] <bjoe> looks like the only thing that is missing from a default install is the filters
[01:56] <thompa> is the greybird style part of xcfe? I guess I should install that first
[01:56] <Len-nb> Unity as a desktop is ok for consumer desktop use, but not for a workstation like studio.
[01:56] <Len-nb> I think greybird is xfce, but I could be wrong.
[01:57] <bjoe> video needs to be changes to 1360x768 in nvidia control panel, jack needs to use sb audigy instead of builtin, and keyoard set to no repeat
[01:57] <Len-nb> I know we use it though.
[01:57] <thompa> I dont like the music app being part of volume control. If you get a panel problem like i got
[01:57] <Len-nb> I can understand.
[01:58] <Len-nb> I think it is possible to not show that applet though.
[01:58] <thompa> could not find the off switch and music was blasting in school
[01:58] <Len-nb> Yuck
[01:59] <thompa> the problem is that its worse when it runs in xfce like that
[01:59] <Len-nb> What player are you set up for?
[01:59] <bjoe> greybird is the default theme here on a fresh install of studio
[01:59] <Len-nb> Studio defaults to audacious
[01:59] <thompa> yes I got my laptop with studio beside me and am on big pc
[02:00] <thompa> they are different :*)
[02:00] <thompa> the menus and colrs are too
[02:00] <thompa> *colors
[02:00] <Len-nb> colours... where I come from.
[02:01] <thompa> i am going to just install xfce first
[02:01] <thompa> Len-nb, me too sometimes
[02:03] <thompa> Len-nb, you in UK? chance of snow here in Memphis tonight.
[02:04] <Len-nb> Canada, it is 2:03 AM in the UK... I am Vanacouver Island
[02:04] <Len-nb> We had 3-5 inches of snow earlier.
[02:06] <thompa> ive been there once nice place.
[02:06] <thompa> Len-nb, so I am a little confused. is there no meta package that will work?
[02:06] <Len-nb> We've been here about 6 years now
[02:07] <Len-nb> It would take a collection of meta packages I think.
[02:08] <thompa> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video
[02:08] <thompa> sorry thats what the instructions say
[02:09] <thompa> it may be I have to start from ubuntu and not xfce like i did a while back
[02:10] <thompa> Im still not sure why the default menu does not show. There is some setting I need to change from
[02:11] <thompa> i cant remember anymore
[02:12] <thompa> gtk2 was reinstalled
[02:12] <Len-nb> Just taking a look at our seeds... audio-common, audio-plugins, desktop, ffmpeg-common, font-meta, generation, graphics, photography, publishing, recording, video
[02:12] <Len-nb> Those are what is in the seeds...
[02:12] <thompa> also some kernel changes after xfce so I should reinstall studio and thats it
[02:13] <Len-nb> then in desktop there is:  ubuntustudio-desktop # metapackage for everything here
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (ubuntustudio-default-settings)
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (xubuntu-icon-theme)             # to get elementary and elementary-dark icon themes
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme)
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (ubuntustudio-look)
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (ubuntustudio-sounds)
[02:13] <thompa> it should be in desktop. thanks for the help
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * (ubuntustudio-wallpapers)
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * lightdm-gtk-greeter
[02:13] <Len-nb>  * plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio
[02:14] <thompa> gtk-greeter is missing
[02:14] <thompa> that helps
[02:14] <Len-nb> ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme would be what sets the login screen.
[02:15] <thompa> oh ok
[02:21] <thompa> Len-nb, --reinstall of xfce4 then studio settings and --reinstall studio desktop worked
[02:21] <thompa> I have my menu
[02:21] <thompa> also terminal finally has a prompt
[02:21] <Len-nb> Good, I going to eat now so I am gone for a while.
[02:22] <Len-nb> *i'm
[02:22] <thompa> Have a good holiday
[02:24] <bjoe> thius thing is working great
[02:24] <thompa> good for u. same here
[02:26] <bjoe> great
[02:29] <thompa> I had to do a --reinstall of packages
[02:29] <thompa> I didn't think that mattered anymore
[06:23] <onlyHuman> i just got a stupid little error from udisk2 and had to unsafely unplug and replug a thumbdrive.   should i file a bug report?
[06:54] <Len-nb> onlyHuman, that sounds familiar, there may already be a bug.
[06:54] <onlyHuman> well ill add myself to the affected list thanx
[10:37] <gartral> hey everyone, I got an android tablet yesterday for x-mas and I was wondering.. is there *Any* way to use it as a control surface with midi over wifi? and if so, what do i need?
[10:57] <zequence> gartral: Don't know if anyone here has done anything with that. You could try #opensourcemusicians or #dataflow (where I know some people have been messing around with arm devices)
[13:00] <xgoo> hii all
[13:04] <cfhowlett> xgoo: hey there
[13:04] <cfhowlett> I saw your query about .mp3 to .ogg conversion
[13:04] <cfhowlett> xgoo: ffmpeg -i file.mp3 file.ogg will do it in a hurry
[13:06] <xgoo> em.. what the mean -i ?
[13:06] <xgoo> -i = invert ? isn't it?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> xgoo: no the -i would be "input" if my understanding of ffmpeg is correct
[13:09] <xgoo> thanks..
[13:09] <xgoo> i see
[13:10] <cfhowlett> file:///home/acerimmer/Desktop/ffmpegwiki.html
[13:10] <cfhowlett> err, I tried to send the wiki file but no ...
[13:10] <cfhowlett> anyway, the wiki has great documentation
[13:11] <cfhowlett> Want the wiki?
[13:12] <xgoo> send again.. i loss it :(
[13:13] <cfhowlett> I think you have to accept/authorize for the transfer
[13:13] <cfhowlett> it's a 19 k html file
[13:16] <xgoo> i'm read the manual of ffmpeg .. :)
[13:25] <xgoo> ffmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter that can also grab from a live audio/video source.
[13:25] <xgoo> :)
[13:25] <cfhowlett> yep.  it's a nice little swiss army knife.
[19:25] <drmacro> How do I change or add apps to the Applications Menu?
[19:36] <Guest56851> app menu -> settings -> main menu
[20:39] <drmacro> Guest56851: app menu -> settings -> main menu no "main menu" on mine:-(
[20:40] <Guest56851> right click the menu -> properties -> edit menu
[20:40] <len-dt> install alacart
[20:41] <len-dt> Sorry alacarte
[20:42] <len-dt> drmacro,  ^^^
[20:42] <drmacro> Guest56851: That allows me to change the icon for the Apps menu or it's title
[20:43] <drmacro> len-dt: saw that, figured there was a "native" way to do it.
[20:43] <len-dt> It does less than many people want...
[20:43] <len-dt> Well we added alacarte in 12.10
[20:43] <len-dt> You can hand edit the file(s) of course :)
[20:44] <len-dt> What is it you want to achieve?
[20:45] <drmacro> len-dt: I'm on 12.04, just wanted to add an app, EaglePCB for instance.
[20:45] <Guest56851> no option for edit? then yeah your gonna need to sudo apt-get install alacarte
[20:46] <len-dt> When you install it should show up on it's own... if not the best way is to create a *.desktop file and add it to /usr/share/appliactiona/
[20:47] <drmacro> len-dt Eagle install too dumb...;-)
[20:47] <len-dt> If you use alacarte to do it, you are stuck with it being in an "other apps" menu.
[20:47] <drmacro> len-dt: so what files need editing?
[20:47] <len-dt> which sub menu should it be a part of?
[20:49] <drmacro> len-dt: since I have other electronics apps there is already an Electronics sub-menu
[20:49] <len-dt> Wow really? I don't remember that one... I better ask which version of ubuntu you are using
[20:50] <Guest56851> damn shes good. one of my information security instructors died and i cant find any information on her on the internet
[20:51] <Guest56851> totally the wrong room   >_<
[20:51] <drmacro> len-dt: UBS12.04 with Kicad installed, I think it creates the sub-menu when it installs.
[20:51] <len-dt> There is no eletronics section of the menu since about 11.10 in studio
[20:51] <len-dt> Ah!
[20:52] <len-dt> what is one of the other electronics SW you installed that already shows on the menu called?
[20:53] <drmacro> len-dt: Visolate
[20:53] <len-dt> try: ls /usr/share/applications/*visolate*
[20:54] <len-dt> you should see something like visolate.desktop or something.
[21:01] <drmacro> len-dt: aren't the .desktop files the actual launchers?  for instance there is an EaglePCB.desktop in my Desktop folder
[21:01] <Len-nb> drmacro, good you could copy that one in there.
[21:02] <drmacro> but how does that get into the App Menu?
[21:08] <Len-nb> by copying it to /usr/share/appliccations/
[21:08] <Len-nb> sudo cp -a  EaglePCB.desktop /usr/share/applications/ should do it.
[21:09]  * Len-nb is assuming you are already cd Desktop
[21:10] <Guest56851> i still say you should "sudo apt-get install alacarte" to make this easier in the future
[21:12] <drmacro> interestingly, I found the Edit Menu you mentioned earlier...but, after exiting it the Properties tab is grayed out and (after previously installing alacarte...it never showed up in the Apps Menu)
[21:15] <len-dt> drmacro, once your *.desktop file in in /usr/share/applications/ the app should show up on the menu "somewhere".
[21:15] <drmacro> so I copied the .desktop file, now EaglePCB shows up under Other. Also, if I go to App Menu>Settings>Main Menu  the Electronics sub-menu doesn't show...
[21:15] <len-dt> The trick is to edit the file till it goes where you want.
[21:16] <len-dt>  :) Ya I told you alacarte has limitations...
[21:17] <drmacro> The .desktop file? It has nothing that would lead me to believe it controls it's own location in the menu
[21:17] <len-dt> If you edit your *.desktop file you should see a line that says Categories.
[21:18] <len-dt> That line determines where it sits in the menu.
[21:18] <drmacro> no Categories line
[21:18] <drmacro> I'll look at one from usr/share
[21:18] <len-dt> Look at another desktop file for an example.
[21:19] <len-dt> Preferably one that goes with the electronics part of the menu.
[21:24] <drmacro> ok, copied the line from the kicad.desktop to EaglePCB.desktop, works fine. So what creates the categories that App menu displays?
[21:32] <len-dt> There is a system template in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus
[21:33] <len-dt> there are other menu stubbs in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/
[21:34] <len-dt> which is probably where your electronics menu is tacked in.
[21:36] <len-dt> there is also a per user directory ~/.local/share/ where more *.desktop files may sit...
[21:38] <len-dt> and ~/.config/menus/
[21:39] <len-dt> It is actually possible to put them in even more places... but those are the standard ones
[21:40] <len-dt> alacarte deals with the ones in your home directory only.
[22:07] <Darkness_of_Time> hello everybody
[22:09] <Darkness_of_Time> does anybody here use music applications on ubuntustudio?
[22:16] <zequence> Darkness_of_Time: I'd say that's what most people user Ubuntu Studio for :)
[22:17] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: I would like to ask about software synthesizers, such as (windows) vst instruments
[22:17] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: is there a reliable way to run this type of software on ubuntustudio?
[22:18] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: or... is there any kind of similar software for ubuntu studio?
[22:21] <zequence> Darkness_of_Time: I don't use software instruments much, but I can tell you that there's at least two standard formats for on Linux. dssi and lv2. I think you can also use vst instruments, but how is not something I know. You might find more answers on #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio (based on Ubuntu, with some vst enabled stuff in it)
[22:22] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: thanks a lot
[22:22] <zequence> The only softsynth I use is hexter. It's a dssi instrument
[22:22] <zequence> Can be run standalone, or loaded into one of the DAWS that support dssi instruments
[22:23] <zequence> Darkness_of_Time: Hydrogen is a drummachine/sequencer, you might want to check out
[22:23] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: I'm just insterested in orchestral & piano soft synths...
[22:24] <zequence> synths, or samplers?
[22:24] <zequence> There's linux-sampler, and some sample libs
[22:24] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: this one, can load just soundfonts and gig files
[22:24] <zequence> sonatina symphony library, and a couple of piano librariews
[22:24] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: sonatina is a sfz format
[22:24] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: what I mean
[22:25] <zequence> linux-sampler can load sfz too
[22:25] <zequence> I think
[22:25] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: is edirol orchestra, kontakt
[22:25] <Darkness_of_Time> etc
[22:25] <Darkness_of_Time> most likely linux-sampler can load sf2, gig and sfz
[22:25] <Darkness_of_Time> I think you're right
[22:34] <Darkness_of_Time> zequence: which soundcard do you have installed in your system? is it necessary to have a good and expensive one?
[22:37] <zequence> Darkness_of_Time: Depends on what you want to do with it. Expensive, no
[22:38] <Darkness_of_Time> midi + audio editing
[22:38] <Darkness_of_Time> this is what I need most
[22:38] <Darkness_of_Time> for example... could I have good performance with a Sound Blaster Live?
[22:38] <zequence> Built in audio devices may not be the best for low latency work, but it varies
[22:38] <Darkness_of_Time> this is a really old card
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> and... which sound cards have good performance regarding the latency?
[22:39] <zequence> Most pci cards are ok.
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> such as Sound Blaster Live?
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> are you sure?
[22:39] <zequence> I can't say. I don't have one
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> because for windows...
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> the latency performance
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> of this sound card
[22:39] <zequence> Windows is different
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> is not very good
[22:39] <Darkness_of_Time> oh!
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> really? so... it's a matter of drivers actually
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> I have also a EMU 0404
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> is is compatible with ubuntustudio?
[22:40] <zequence> the EMU should be good
[22:40] <zequence> Is it a pci device?
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> I might try this one
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> yes
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> pci
[22:40] <zequence> Should work fine
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> it seems
[22:40] <Darkness_of_Time> that...
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> most likely
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> I should try something
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> as kxstudio for using my vst plugins
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> and install this EMU 0404
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> as I understand
[22:41] <zequence> Did you try asio4all on Windows with your SB card?
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> no
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> I didn;t
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> didn't
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> because
[22:41] <Darkness_of_Time> I have EMU
[22:42] <Darkness_of_Time> and X-Fi platinum
[22:42] <Darkness_of_Time> I uninstalled
[22:42] <Darkness_of_Time> soundblaster live
[22:42] <Darkness_of_Time> much time ago
[22:43] <zequence> I would prefer the EMu device anyway
[22:43] <zequence> The SB is not for audio production
[22:44] <zequence> Darkness_of_Time: Did you install Ubuntu Studio yet?
[22:44] <zequence> If not, try the live DVD first
[22:44] <zequence> You can try the applications before installing
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> I haven't installed Ubuntu Studio yet
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> what I'm trying to do
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> this very moment
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> to install it as a virtual machine
[22:44] <zequence> Don't do that
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> using virtualbox
[22:44] <Darkness_of_Time> why?
[22:45] <zequence> Audio performance will be very bad
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> oh
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> ...
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> so...
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> let me ask you some more questions
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> my computer
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> is
[22:45] <zequence> Either burn a DVD, or create a bootable usb stick, and try it live, wihtout installing
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> an AMD 3000+ 64bit with dual core
[22:45] <Darkness_of_Time> 8 GB ram
[22:46] <Darkness_of_Time> and let's say (I'll install) EMU 0404
[22:46] <Darkness_of_Time> this one...
[22:46] <Darkness_of_Time> should have good performance
[22:46] <Darkness_of_Time> right?
[22:46] <zequence> As long as it's a PC, you'll be fine :)
[22:46] <Darkness_of_Time> :)
[23:01] <Darkness_of_Time> bye!
[23:01] <Darkness_of_Time> thanks a lot
[23:01] <Darkness_of_Time> !


[08:24] <mruiz> hello!


[03:15] <guiverc> fossfreedom_, another find sorry.. "Our welcome app is automatically updated for all 20.04, 22.04 & 22.10 users"  (s/22.10/23.10/ I bet)
[03:18] <guiverc> lxqt 2.0 one...  "we’re told of the apps that aren’t in this release" will be understood that the summary is talking about Wayland compatibility  (sorry if I left a note asking this earlier.. in review I look only at how users see it)
[03:18] <guiverc> sorry ^ was intended for a different room


[06:58] <didrocks> good morning
[07:00] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[07:00] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[07:01] <darkxst> didrocks, curious what happens to all our MIR's now?
[07:03] <didrocks> darkxst: don't have time to look retrospectively to old ones, I would say, we need the discussion that started on grilo to end up with strong resolutions first, and then, if someone has time, they can go back in time
[07:04] <darkxst> didrocks, was talking more future, than resprospectively
[07:05] <didrocks> darkxst: you need to find some team at canonical wanted to support the source I guess
[07:05] <didrocks> darkxst: if you are concerned by this, I would say raise it to the technical board
[07:07] <darkxst> didrocks, its a little concerning, some of it is due to -desktop team still holding randsom over g-s-d/g-c-c, but the rest comes from the large overlap with Ubuntu
[07:08] <darkxst> and many times in the overlap case, Canonical don't want the new features that pull in the new deps, or they want to wait etc
[07:08] <darkxst> (Canonical teams)
[07:08] <didrocks> darkxst: yeah, nothing I can really do here, so when you get the issue and you are stuck, feel free to raise it there I guess
[07:11] <darkxst> didrocks, I wasnt expecting you to fix it, but sooner or later it will have to come that that (TB)
[07:22] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:22] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:22] <seb128> TB ... not sure what they can do there?
[07:22] <seb128> they can't decide that packages should be supported even if there is nobody to support those
[07:27] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:28] <didrocks> morning mlankhorst
[07:36] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[07:36] <larsu> good morning
[08:24] <darkxst> seb128, except there are teams to support them, just not Canonical teams, so either thats a technical issue that the archive structure is insufficient, or its a political issue
[08:25] <darkxst> unless support is meant to mean some bespoke custom development on demand type things
[08:28] <seb128> darkxst, the issue is also to know that if there is a security problem in one of those packages in 3 years there is somebody to deal with it
[08:29] <seb128> darkxst, or there is no garanty that volunteers are still going to be around or wanting to resolve the issues in 3 years
[08:30] <seb128> so I don't think it's a Canonical or not, just need to have a solid reference which can be trusted
[08:33] <seb128> sorry, user switching screwed my session :-/
[08:34] <darkxst> and what make a solid reference?
[08:35] <seb128> dunno, if you were in charge, what would make you trust somebody to still be around in 3 years?
[08:35] <seb128> I guess it mostly mean having a commercial backing behind
[08:36] <seb128> or a group solid enough that you trust them to not vanish easily
[08:36] <seb128> like Debian
[08:36] <seb128> well, those are in nowhere official statements
[08:36] <seb128> just my view on the issue
[08:37] <darkxst> seb128, IT companys come and go like the wind
[08:37] <seb128> not all
[08:37] <seb128> I'm ready to bet my money that microsoft, apple and google are still there in 3 years
[08:37] <darkxst> and all of the packages we have MIR'd are well maintained in Debian
[08:38] <seb128> well, maybe that has to be enough
[08:38] <seb128> as said I'm just doing loud thinking there, those are not official statement
[08:39] <seb128> the current archive layout is suboptimal
[08:39] <seb128> shame that the archive re-org was never fully done
[08:39] <darkxst> seb128, sure the big boys will be around, will canonical be?
[08:39] <seb128> the idea was to be able to tag packages as supported without having to rely on the main/universe split
[08:39] <seb128> darkxst, not sure, but that's not really revelant to the discussion
[08:40] <seb128> we are talking about how Canonical hold to its engagement to maintain those packages and deal with security issues&co
[08:40] <darkxst> seb128, just saying IMO commercial backing doesnt provide a huge guarantee in itself
[08:40] <seb128> if Canonical is not sure anymore the question of how they provide their support vanishes iwth it
[08:41] <seb128> not sure->not there
[08:41] <seb128> right
[08:41] <seb128> so you argue that support should be provided only for things Canonical is ready to support itself
[08:41] <seb128> and not trust anyone else, including other IT companies
[08:41] <seb128> which is a fair position
[08:42] <darkxst> seb128, no I argue, there needs to be a way for this to work, for the community flavours
[08:42] <seb128> "this" being?
[08:43] <seb128> you can't force Canonical to provide free support for things you need but Canonical has no direct interest in
[08:44] <darkxst> we don't even want to do that, but the archive structure seems to dictate it
[08:45] <seb128> well, there are solutions
[08:45] <seb128> including finishing the archive reorg
[08:45] <seb128> or moving sources to universe
[08:46] <seb128> we could also duplicate sources if really needed
[08:46] <seb128> like have a nautilus in main and nautilus-tracker in universe
[08:46] <seb128> in practice there is no real problem so far though
[08:47] <seb128> Canonical teams have been happily taking over some extra packages in those cases to try to accomodate for others
[08:47] <seb128> like desktop team subscribed to tracker and grilo
[08:47] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[08:47] <seb128> hey willcooke, how is grey London today?
[08:49] <darkxst> seb128, yes for the couple of cases that were bought up
[08:49] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:49] <seb128> darkxst, so in practice there is no real issue?
[08:50] <darkxst> seb128, if desktop team, takes all our MIR requests then no
[08:51] <darkxst> you probably want gom anyway eventually (that will be next up I think)
[08:52] <darkxst> next MIR
[08:54] <seb128> what is gom doing?
[08:54] <seb128> "GObject Data Mapper"
[08:54] <seb128> k
[08:55] <didrocks> seb128: it's like the django model, you write classes and it's translated into sql queries
[08:56] <didrocks> seeing the number of bugs/issues that I heard about it, not sure it suits main though
[08:58] <darkxst> didrocks, its quite new still
[08:59] <didrocks> yeah, that's the reason why it's maybe too new to be in main
[09:00]  * willcooke curses the wifi
[09:01] <darkxst> didrocks, I agree its not ready, but it will need to be at some point
[09:02] <didrocks> yeah, just don't feed the MIR before it is :)
[09:02] <didrocks> file*
[09:06] <darkxst> didrocks, have I ever filed any unreasonable MIR's? I don't think so
[09:06] <didrocks> darkxst: no, but when you were telling "gom will be next up", I started to be afraid that you were referring for something like "soon"
[09:09] <Laney> grr
[09:09] <darkxst> didrocks, I did not say soon
[09:09] <Laney> no network on resume, as usual
[09:09] <Laney> restart network manager, system hangs
[09:09] <Laney> #fail
[09:10] <didrocks> Laney: did you try with upstart?
[09:10] <didrocks> at least, to get systemd out of the loop
[09:10] <Laney> that was upsstart
[09:11] <didrocks> ah
[09:11] <didrocks> so, on both? seems networkish managerish or rfkillish/hardwarish
[09:12] <darkxst> didrocks, atleast for now, we have got though the backlog of MIR's for 3.12/14
[09:12] <darkxst> grilo/plugins is planning on using gom, not sure they have switched yet though
[09:13] <darkxst> (on a hard-dep basis)
[09:13] <didrocks> doesn't seem yet from git master
[09:16] <Laney> it will do, which will be an improvement imho
[09:16] <Laney> some of the current direct interaction with sqlite is a bit shonky
[09:18] <darkxst> Laney, then again some of sparql also plays up with sqlite at times
[09:19] <darkxst> but it should be much easier for a higher level framework to write valid SQL you would think
[09:38]  * Laney looks at didrocks
[09:40] <Laney> seems to me as if you are in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev ... want to review that machine-id test fix? :)
[09:42] <didrocks> Laney: pfff, I'm in as a *side effect* ;)
[09:43] <didrocks> joke apart, I think the QA team should review the tests (even if this seems to be trivial), I'm happy to do it as a fallback if no-one is available though
[09:43] <Laney> tried pinging this cihelp thing, no reply yet
[09:43] <darkxst> Laney, I messed your comment of the gnome-contacts FFe, but guess its needs a UIFe no also
[09:43] <Laney> ya
[09:43] <Laney> is it worth it now?
[09:44] <darkxst> the UI is largely unchanged on Unity (except the proper menu bar I added) and the change to add account dialog
[09:45] <didrocks> Laney: keep me posted
[09:45] <Laney> I'll just ask plars or someone
[09:46] <darkxst> Laney, guess its ok to land first thing in W though
[09:46] <Laney> no promoted desktop iso since march 6th sucks
[09:47] <Laney> darkxst: If you want to ask for the UIFe then go for it
[09:47] <Laney> if you think the benefits are worth it
[09:49] <darkxst> Benefits for us, not for you guys, though larsu thinks both existing and new UI's are bad
[09:50] <seb128> Laney, what's the issue with the iso?
[09:50] <Laney> smoke tests are failing
[09:56] <seb128> what tests/on what error?
[09:57] <Laney> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/ -> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/vivid/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/vivid-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/131/artifact/utah-35520-vivid-amd64_default.run_2015-03-18_08-03-10.yaml
[10:02] <seb128> oh, it's the machine-id thing you were discussing which is the issue
[10:05] <Laney> ye
[10:05] <Laney> not sure why there's a test for this implementation detail
[11:12] <seb128> larsu, Laney, can one of you maybe review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/non-unity-sessions-need-scaling/+merge/250153 for me? it's sitting there for a while and I think it's correct/should land for vivid since it fixes oem issues
[11:15] <seb128> brb session restart
[11:20] <larsu> seb128: approved. Thanks. Going to lunch now :)
[11:20] <seb128> larsu, thanks!
[11:20] <larsu> :)
[11:22]  * Laney wonders how to get email about these MPs
[11:22] <seb128> larsu, the 16/9 value thing is just copy from GNOME code, but agreed on fixing it at the right place, if possible
[11:22] <seb128> but seems it's the hardware sending buggy values
[11:22] <seb128> so unsure we can compute valid ones
[11:36] <seb128> larsu, Laney, review on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/battery-info-key/+merge/253336 appreciated as well
[11:40] <Laney> seb128: don't want to take that upstream commit to make the notification work?
[11:45] <seb128> Laney, no
[11:46] <seb128> Laney, I tried to use a notification, it looks weird with notify osd
[11:46] <seb128> well, first the function use doesn't work under notify-osd so you still don't get a notification
[11:46] <seb128> I did a custom one like we do for others but it looks weird
[11:46] <seb128> like having a battery icon and 100% as text
[11:47] <seb128> we could draw a progressbar like for volume
[11:47] <seb128> but I'm unsure it's a good UI
[11:47] <seb128> that would need proper design
[11:47] <seb128> if somebody is interested to work on that feel free
[11:47] <Laney> yeah it seems like a weird action
[11:47] <Laney> i wonder why they want that
[12:23] <larsu> seb128: too late :)
[14:46] <seb128> Trevinho, attente_, hey, when you added the keygraber to compiz to handle GNOME keybindings, did you look at providing the timestamp as well?
[14:46] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, attente did the internals... But I think he did
[14:46]  * Trevinho checks
[14:47] <seb128> no, it's an uu
[14:47] <Trevinho> seb128: no, in fact...
[14:47] <seb128> I'm asking because we would need to avoid focus issues
[14:47] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=487a936e61766f0306772c1269e2ff437fc53a46
[14:47] <Trevinho> seb128: so... where's the new API?
[14:47] <seb128> Trevinho, new API?
[14:48] <Trevinho> you're faster than my fingers :P
[14:48] <Trevinho> seb128: that's the new api I guess... we cpouldn't use uuu before
[14:48] <attente_> seb128: i don't think so
[14:48] <seb128> attente_, Trevinho, is that something you could easily change?
[14:49] <seb128> not sure if unity has the timestamp value handy at this point of the code
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: is that already in vivid (the {u,g}-s-d part)?
[14:49] <seb128> Trevinho, no, signatures need to match
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, compiz gives us
[14:49] <seb128> so we can't land only one side
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: I know... so we should update them all together
[14:49] <seb128> I was looking at backporting that commit
[14:49] <seb128> but then it complains about the mismatching signature
[14:49] <seb128> so I'm asking if somebody could do the unity side
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: we can sync with that
[14:49] <Trevinho> I can prepare a branch in seconds
[14:50] <seb128> Trevinho, please do
[14:50] <Trevinho> seb128: sure
[14:50] <seb128> :-)
[14:50] <seb128> thanks
[14:52] <Trevinho> seb128: ouch I hope I've not been too positive, as we've the timestamp on options, let me check further
[14:52] <seb128> Trevinho, k
[14:52] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, no sorry... we've it
[14:52] <Trevinho> no worries
[14:52] <seb128> great :-)
[14:56] <Trevinho> seb128: do you have a bug for it?
[14:56] <seb128> Trevinho, no, but I can open one if you want, I was just checking if I find one
[14:56] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, I leave that to you with great pleasure :)
[14:57]  * Trevinho really can't understand why they didn't do this from the very beginning... timestamp MUST BE THEREEEEEE (or crazyness happens)!
[15:02] <Trevinho> seb128: lp# ready? :)
[15:03] <seb128> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1433648
[15:03] <Trevinho> cool
[15:06] <Trevinho> seb128: here it is https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/gnome-keys-timestamp-api/+merge/253380
[15:07] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks!
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm testing the combined changes, give it a bit to build and I can confirm if it works
[15:10] <Trevinho> seb128: cool, ChrisTownsend will check the unity code meanwhile
[15:10] <seb128> Trevinho, great, thanks
[15:30] <tejota> How could I setup an web accessible Ubuntu desktop (VDI/DaaS sort of thing, I guees) on a VPS (say, with Digitalocean)?
[15:49] <Laney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:49] <Laney> a new current image is born
[15:57] <didrocks> Laney: I hope it does boot under upstart :p (see #ubuntu-release ;))
[15:57] <Laney> ha
[16:12] <happyaron> Laney: just come up with a patch for language-selector's pkg_depends, how can I test whether it work in installation?
[16:12] <Laney> install it in a live session and try installing
[16:12] <happyaron> OK
[16:12] <Laney> didn't somebody else come up with a patch already?
[16:12] <happyaron> nope, :)
[16:12] <Laney> bug #1431337
[16:13] <Laney> ffs
[16:13] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200029284/fcitx-support.debdiff
[16:14] <happyaron> ic, the way of modifying it is correct, but it's not pulling in the correct packages
[16:14] <happyaron> didn't notice the patch though, quickly merged after it's reported
[16:15] <Laney> probably give this guy credit
[16:15] <happyaron> that's not a problem
[16:15] <happyaron> will
[16:15] <happyaron> will write him in changelog
[16:18] <happyaron> 9.48MB/s getting daily-live, yay
[16:23] <seb128> Trevinho, the changes work great, thanks ;-)
[16:25] <seb128> bregma, hey, do you plan an unity landing in vivid soon? I would like to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1433648 fixed but it needs to coordinate u-s-d and unity landings
[16:26] <bregma> seb128, soon, just focused on a Unity 14.04 SRU at the moment, the MP for that bug is in the review queue right now
[16:26]  * bregma is keeping away from ci-train after breaking it the last time
[16:26] <seb128> bregma, k, how do you want to handle the sync? do you plan to include u-s-d in the next unity silo?
[16:27] <bregma> we could do it that way
[16:27] <bregma> what's the u-s-d MP?
[16:27] <seb128> not up yet
[16:27] <seb128> I'm wondering if I should use a versionned Breaks
[16:28] <seb128> and on what unity version then
[16:28] <seb128> to ensure they get updated together
[16:28] <bregma> hamm, we could do an upstream Unity release to keep it simple
[16:29] <seb128> did you plan to bump the version for the next vivid landing?
[16:30] <bregma> I can, if we release 7.3.2 upstream
[16:30] <seb128> well, should I use that in my u-s-d mp then?
[16:30] <bregma> yes, let's do that
[16:32] <seb128> bregma, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/timestamp-for-commands/+merge/253394
[16:33] <seb128> bregma, please include in your next unity update silo then ;-)
[16:33] <bregma> will do
[16:34] <seb128> bregma, thanks
[16:34] <seb128> larsu, your gnome-desktop current patch seems to work fine, is it still creating issues with nautilus?
[16:34] <seb128> or should I upload?
[16:35] <seb128> I test my testcase with scale 1 and 2 and nautilus with scale 1 and 2, things look fine
[16:35] <seb128> though nautilus with scale 2 has the image not properly scaled it seems but that was already the case
[17:03] <larsu> seb128: works for me, but please test it again to make sure
[17:06] <larsu> seb128: it propery scales it now with the new version of my patch. not for you?
[17:06] <seb128> larsu, well, I built a package and test both testcase and nautilus
[17:06] <seb128> larsu, is GDK_SCALE=2 nautilus supposed to render the full bg image?
[17:06] <seb128> or is with scaling 2 the image supposed to go over the screen?
[17:08] <larsu> no, it shouldn't go over the screen
[17:11] <seb128> larsu, sorry, tried again and took screenshot, I probably got confused by the big icons
[17:11] <seb128> exactly the same
[17:11]  * seb128 validates larsu's fix and upload
[17:11] <larsu> \o/
[17:12] <seb128> larsu, thanks again for working on that!
[17:12] <seb128> larsu, I commented on the upstream bug saying that the fix works for me
[17:12] <larsu> seb128: just saw, thanks
[17:13] <seb128> yw!
[17:13] <larsu> seb128: it's not exactly the same. Should be better (try with an image where you can see the pixels)
[17:13]  * larsu had a blck/white 1x1 checker pattern to test
[17:23] <Laney> JohnLea_: willcooke: hi, do you plan to address #21 / #22 from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1429011 ?
[17:24] <willcooke> Laney, nope, but JohnLea_ might ^^^^
[17:24] <Sweet5hark> larsu: you Berlin guys certainly have too much VC flying around: http://www.deutsche-startups.de/startups-jobs/stellenangebote/tester-qualitaetsmanager-bordelle-mw/
[17:26] <larsu> Sweet5hark: lol!
[17:26] <willcooke> Laney, JohnLea_ - I will email Alex as well
[17:27] <Laney> willcooke: ok, if you could give a size budget of 4M that would be helpful too. ;)
[17:27] <willcooke> Laney, sure
[17:29] <Laney> thanks
[17:31]  * Laney looks out for xnox's OCD
[17:32] <willcooke> :D
[17:32] <xnox> Laney: is there a new wallpaper, or are you gonna kill me with off-set one?!
[17:32] <willcooke> xnox, were you more concerned about the horizontal alignment, or both horizontal and vertical?
[17:33] <willcooke> or was it the dots?
[17:33] <xnox> willcooke: the horizon height is imho critical.
[17:33] <seb128> Laney, larsu, any news of the theme/csd decoration look changes?
[17:33] <xnox> willcooke: the rest are minor, knit pickings.
[17:33] <xnox> willcooke: the "center horizontal fold"
[17:33] <willcooke> ack
[17:33] <larsu> seb128: not yet :(
[17:33] <willcooke> so it needs to be, well, in the middle
[17:33] <willcooke> ?
[17:33] <xnox> willcooke: john lea is not the one who has assets or drew this.
[17:34] <xnox> willcooke: previously i would just wonder around blue fin, until i find the right person to nudge things in photoshop and email them to me.
[17:34] <willcooke> no but he's the Design person in the channel
[17:34] <xnox> LOL
[17:34] <willcooke> xnox, if you're in the office, then I expect Alex is as well, he's the guy who drew them
[17:34] <xnox> willcooke: honestly, just find the person who drew it direct.
[17:34] <seb128> Laney, larsu, I don't think we need to ask for permissions, we just need to drop them a fyi and upload
[17:34] <Laney> yes we do
[17:35] <xnox> willcooke: i quit canonical last year, fyi ;-)
[17:35] <Laney> it didn't show up on the list though
[17:35] <seb128> Laney, we do what?
[17:35] <willcooke> oh! yeah!
[17:35] <willcooke> xnox, yeah, I've email him
[17:35] <seb128> fyi or ask for permission?
[17:35] <Laney> need the fyi at least
[17:35] <Laney> but it's not even on there yet
[17:35] <seb128> right
[17:35] <Laney> I asked pmatu something to moderate the list but it's still not there
[17:35] <larsu> Laney: awaiting approval... if this is the process, it isn't good
[17:36] <Laney> yeah no shit
[17:36] <seb128> on what list is it moderation? documentation?
[17:36] <Laney> ubuntu-doc
[17:37] <seb128> k
[17:37] <seb128> asking on #ubuntu-devel in case
[17:37] <seb128> larsu, who would be the right person to review/ack https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293 ? charles ?
[17:37] <larsu> Laney: are you on that list? Can you please just send an email from your account?
[17:37] <larsu> that would at least get *this* thing moving
[17:37] <Laney> don't know
[17:38] <Laney> I think not
[17:38] <seb128> larsu, can you fwd me the email you sent?
[17:38] <larsu> seb128: yes, and the original reporter of the bug (ochosi)
[17:39] <seb128> ochosi, can you test/review ^ ?
[17:39] <larsu> Laney: why not?
[17:39] <larsu> seb128: sure
[17:39] <Laney> why not what?
[17:39] <ochosi> hey guys
[17:39] <ochosi> i'm using that same code in a panel plugin for xfce, that's how i noticed the bug :)
[17:40] <ochosi> so yeah, that fix works for me there, but i can try to test it with ido too
[17:40] <larsu> Laney: I asked if you can send an email and your next message was "don't know. I think not." I guess that was unrelated?
[17:40] <Laney> first you asked if I was on the list. :P
[17:40] <seb128> ochosi, thanks
[17:40] <ochosi> anything special i need to know for testing/building that lib?
[17:40] <seb128> charles, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ido/prelight-and-focus-scale/+merge/252293 ? should be an easy one
[17:40] <larsu> ochosi: wait... if my fix to ido works for you, you must be using ido, no?
[17:41] <ochosi> larsu: nope, we borrowed the scalemenuitem code for an xfce plugin
[17:41] <larsu> ochosi: how else would you be affected
[17:41] <larsu> ochosi: so you copied the fix?
[17:41] <seb128> code copy
[17:41] <larsu> well then…
[17:41] <seb128> larsu, should I see any difference under unity
[17:41] <seb128> or a "look the same" is good?
[17:42] <ochosi> larsu: yes, this is where we use it: http://imgur.com/TXhMUsA
[17:42] <larsu> seb128: it's there, but very subtle
[17:42] <larsu> seb128: switch to adwaita and you'll see it
[17:42] <seb128> larsu, k
[17:44] <seb128> larsu, switched to adwaita, windows decoration from your branch look weird, the min/max buttons and title are white on light grey
[17:45] <seb128> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/ucc.png
[17:46] <seb128> not well vertically centered as well
[17:46] <seb128> but I guess in practice people don't use adwaita on unity
[17:50] <larsu> seb128: woah, I thought you were still talking about the scalemenuitem branch
[17:50] <larsu> seb128: how can changes to ubuntu-themes affect adwaita?
[17:51] <seb128> larsu, oh sorry, not I mean the ubuntu-themes decoration changes
[17:51] <seb128> oh, maybe it was there before
[17:51] <seb128> I don't try adwaita often
[17:51] <seb128> I've your branch applied though
[17:51] <seb128> ignore that
[17:51] <larsu> seb128: probably. Don't switch to adwaita to test those changes. They're for ubuntu-themes
[17:51] <seb128> it doesn't seem a real world usecase
[17:51] <seb128> larsu, I was switching to test ido
[17:51] <seb128> but ja
[17:52] <seb128> larsu, can you resend your ffe email? the moderator said he doesn't see it in the queue...
[17:52] <seb128> well, not to me but to the list
[17:52]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:52] <seb128> didrocks, night
[17:52] <larsu> seb128: ok
[17:52] <seb128> larsu, danke
[17:52]  * larsu would have thought email works reliably these days
[17:52] <seb128> you did get an email saying it's waiting for moderation?
[17:52] <larsu> yes
[17:53] <Laney> suspicious
[17:53] <seb128> larsu, in fact the moderation says it probably got disgarded, sorry about that
[17:53] <seb128> just resend
[17:53] <Laney> haha
[17:53] <seb128> the guy is around and can approve it
[17:53] <larsu> done
[17:53] <Laney> see, email is reliable
[17:53] <Laney> it's those pesky humans
[17:53] <larsu> pesky
[17:53] <Laney> good word
[17:53] <larsu> indeed
[17:54] <larsu> Your message to ubuntu-doc awaits moderator approval
[17:54] <larsu> Your message to ubuntu-doc awaits moderator approval
[17:54] <larsu> let's see…
[17:54] <ochosi> ok done
[17:56] <seb128> ochosi, thanks
[17:56] <seb128> larsu, Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/gnome-keys-timestamp-api/+merge/253380 if you want another easy review ;-)
[17:56] <ochosi> seb128: np, thanks to larsu for coming up with the fix :)
[17:56] <seb128> hum, I don't have rights to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/blacklist-gnome-boxes/+merge/251566
[17:57] <seb128> can somebody do that for me?
[17:57]  * larsu feels out of place to do so
[17:57] <Laney> hahaha
[17:57]  * Laney loves the blacklist bonanza
[17:57] <Laney> no rights either
[17:58] <Laney> seb128: did you mean to link the usd branch instead?
[17:58] <Laney> the bug's a bit light on details
[18:00] <seb128> Laney, yes, sorry
[18:01] <seb128> Laney, added a testcase to the bug, but it's basically "use keybinding to open an app (calc, web, email) and it goes to background"
[18:01] <seb128> I noticed when testing my fix for the battery info key
[18:01] <Laney> cheers
[18:02]  * Laney remapped the keys to do volume actions instead, lemme change
[18:02] <seb128> Laney, I mapped ctrl-alt-c to calculator to try
[18:03] <seb128> larsu, please send email again, you were in autodiscard for some reason, he fixed it for good this time
[18:03] <Laney> it seemed to try and put them in empty space
[18:03] <Laney> stupid algorithm
[18:04] <larsu> seb128: should I write a script that sends it every 10 mins?
[18:04] <Laney> https://imgur.com/HIe0Mq4
[18:04] <Laney> :D
[18:06] <larsu> Laney: I've never understood why gnome-calculator is not a single-instance application
[18:06] <larsu> *single-window, sorry
[18:06] <larsu> bbiab
[18:07] <Laney> I can imagine wanting to do a few different calculations at once
[18:07] <Laney> maybe...
[18:07] <Laney> got to go, ttyl!
[18:12] <seb128> larsu, lol, sorry :(
[18:30]  * willcooke -> EOD.  tata


[02:07] <popman> hi there
[02:07] <Cheri703> hi
[02:08] <popman> this is ohio room right?
[02:10] <Cheri703> yep
[02:11] <popman> great
[02:12] <popman> had been logged out of freenode for a bit =P
[02:13] <Cheri703> understandable :)
[02:13] <Cheri703> if you ever lose us, the link and info is on the ubuntu ohio website
[02:48] <Unit193> Cheri703: Could you hear the tractor pull? :P
[02:48] <Cheri703> don't think so, wasn't outside much
[02:50] <Unit193> Modified tractor pull tonight, reg tomorrow :P
[02:52] <Cheri703> :)
[02:58] <gilbert> woot
[02:58] <Unit193> Howdy gilbert, having fun I take it?
[02:58] <gilbert> not really, working on my dissertation :(
[02:58] <gilbert> work work work
[02:59]  * Unit193 doesn't say anymore of what he did tonight
[02:59] <gilbert> oh no
[03:09] <Unit193> Anyway, I'm going to post a few of the crappy pics I have of it (It was kinda dark)
[13:49] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[13:54] <paultag> morning :)
[15:27] <thafreak> http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2011/08/12/careful-what-you-wish-for/
[15:40] <thafreak> _bbb: hey, I'm in http://turntable.fm/nerd_alert_nerdcore_and_8bit_3 instead of the ubuntu allstars room today
[21:58] <d__> hi
[21:59] <d__> i went to the ohio.ubuntu-us site but it said it was unlinked. how do I find the events
[22:03] <Unit193> Site is accessable, calendar loads, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-ohio/events is always blank