[12:30] (hybrid_goth/#ubuntu) super_dude2: do you have the codec?
[12:31] (mandingo/#ubuntu) mount -t fat32 /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:31] (hybrid_goth/#ubuntu) did you get it from apt?
[12:31] (super_dude2/#ubuntu) yes
[12:31] (eurmst/#ubuntu) mount: aankoppelingspunt /mnt/windows bestaat niet
[12:31] (Fackamato/#ubuntu) hi
[12:31] <eurmst> doesn't exist
[12:31] <Fackamato> I've got some problems with firefox
[12:31] <mandingo> mkdir /mnt/windows
[12:31] <Fackamato> some text doesn't show, I have to select > copypaste into gedit
[12:31] <super_dude2> i have all the codecs i need i think
[12:32] <eurmst> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32'
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: may need to go to http://ubuntuguide.org/#RestrictedFormats
[12:32] <dcraven> vfat
[12:32] <super_dude2> but im supposed to use gmplayer for it to run in gnome but it cant find it
[12:32] <mandingo> then you don't have fat32 support compiled into your kernel
[12:32] <super_dude2> iv been there
[12:32] <dcraven> mandingo: Isn't it called vfat?
[12:32] <mandingo> errr
[12:32] <mandingo> yeah
[12:32] <hkjhggj> dcraven: yeah it is
[12:32] <mandingo> my bad
[12:32] <mandingo> thanks dcraven
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: so it is a mplayer problem
[12:33] <dcraven> No sweat.
[12:33] <eurmst> hmm
[12:33] <mandingo> mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:33] <super_dude2> i know and i need it fixed
[12:33] <eurmst> nope
[12:33] <eurmst> I'll wait for mijndert to come online
[12:33] <mandingo> eurmst: error?
[12:33] <krazykook> here is one of the references because people asked....i am not sure these Brazilians are communist or not....they just say the future is free
[12:33] <mandingo> wow
[12:33] <krazykook> http://www.fsfla.org/doi-en.html
[12:33] <eurmst> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[12:33] <eurmst>        missing codepage or other error
[12:33] <eurmst>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[12:33] <eurmst>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[12:33] <eurmst>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:33] <eurmst>        dmesg | tail  or so
[12:33] <mandingo> is it a fat32 filesystem or an ntfs filesystem?
[12:34] <eurmst> ntfs i thought
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: what version is it
[12:34] <dcraven> doh
[12:34] <mandingo> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[12:34] <dcraven> lol
[12:34] <eurmst> same error
[12:34] <super_dude2> ill check
[12:34] <dcraven> mandingo: There are only a few more combinations :)_
[12:34] <mandingo> hahahaha
[12:34] <super_dude2> MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.4
[12:35] <mandingo> well, do what the error message tells you
[12:35] <mandingo> dmesg | tail
[12:35] <mandingo> any useful info
[12:35] <mandingo> ?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: ok have you tried google?
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> h/o ill dig some up on it
[12:35] <super_dude2> no
[12:35] <slakky> HI AGAIN
[12:36] <Tomcat__> I wasn't really sure before, but now that he rejoins every 5 minutes, I know that slakky is a troll. :o
[12:36] <Tomcat__> Some people have weird hobbies.
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> tritium: man watch that mouse it is getting loose :-D
[12:36] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I know!
[12:36] <eurmst> I'll wait for mijndert to get online mandingo, I'm not so good when its for this kind of stuff :(
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:37] <Octane> is 17 gigs for a root partition ok?
[12:37] <mandingo> suit yourself
[12:37] <eurmst> bit still thanks :)
[12:37] <eurmst> but*
[12:37] <mandingo> so, since I've asked twice, I'm assuming no one here has any experience installing ubuntu on a laptop with a radeon card and getting X to run?
[12:37] <[nubious] > how do you go about running a .jar file?
[12:38] <[nubious] > I realise that's java, but do I decompress it and go from there?
[12:38] <krazykook> mandingo: no i wish i had another computer to work with this ati card i got
[12:38] <[nubious] > or can I jsut run the file itself
[12:38] <bigbill52a> have you tried the instructions on the forums
[12:38] <bigbill52a> ?
[12:38] <bigbill52a> for an ati card?
[12:38] <mandingo> yeah
[12:38] <mandingo> apparently
[12:38] <mandingo> xorg freaks out with the ati driver and the radeon
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: do you have mencoder?
[12:39] <mandingo> I've never had a problem with this card and xfree
[12:39] <mandingo> never used xorg though
[12:39] <bigbill52a> did you modprobe -r fglrx outside of xwindow
[12:39] <mandingo> I can't even get INTO xwindows
[12:39] <mandingo> but no
[12:39] <mandingo> I have not
[12:39] <mandingo> I did however install the fglrx module and update my xorg.conf
[12:39] <mandingo> no I'm getting a device not found error
[12:39] <super_dude2> no i dont think so i dont know what that is.
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> super_dude2: it is in synaptic -> search -> mencoder
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> -> install
[12:40] <super_dude2> ok
[12:40] <bigbill52a> try remarking the bus line
[12:40] <[nubious] > hmmm
[12:40] <[nubious] > how do you compile java?
[12:41] <mandingo> bigbill52a: what do you mean
[12:41] <Razor-X> mencoder is the only real MPEG encoder for Linux, right?
[12:41] <mandingo> actually
[12:41] <super_dude2> it cant find it
[12:41] <krazykook> this is interesting news...i wonder why HP is restricting sales.
[12:41] <mandingo> I've never needed the bus line before
[12:41] <mandingo> I should try commenting it out
[12:41] <krazykook>  diegocgteleline.es writes "According with Tom's Hardware, HP is working with Ubuntu to offer a customized GNU/Linux version that works 100% - wireless, bluetooth, IrDA, IEEE1394 - with HP hardware. This offer will be restricted to Europe, Middle East and Africa. The CD includes free support through online resources as well as paid support through Canonical, the developer of Ubuntu."
[12:41] <mandingo> or is that mandatory with xorg
[12:41] <Razor-X> I'm planning to get mencoder, and _try_ and burn a KVCD
[12:41] <bigbill52a> in your xorg.conf...put a # sign in front of the bus line
[12:41] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[12:41] <mandingo> yeah
[12:41] <mandingo> I'll give that a shot
[12:41] <krazykook> before...HP sold stuff to Asia....i wonder why they are restricting stuff now
[12:41] <bigbill52a> you are using nano to work on xorg.conf?
[12:42] <mandingo> emcs
[12:42] <mandingo> emacs
[12:42] <mandingo> no worries
[12:42] <jamesio> anyone here have problems with dvd sound in vlc?
[12:42] <mandingo> about the lines
[12:42] <[nubious] > krazykook: mayb eit has something to do with China not cutting fuel supply lines to North Korea (which they're using for nuke testing)
[12:42] <mandingo> my return carriages are all gravy
[12:42] <krazykook> [nubious] : who cares if N.Korea nukes the whole world
[12:42] <RedNeck-> is it possible to  make an unattended cd for an automated installation of Ubuntu?
[12:43] <super_dude2> it cant find it
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: I kinda do...
[12:43] <Razor-X> mandingo: ewww, emacs ;)
[12:43] <bigbill52a> you modified xorg.conf as per the instructions on the forum?
[12:43] <mandingo> krazykook: you when you're dying in a nuclear winter
[12:43] <mandingo> bigbill52a: yes
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: I'd rather die via asteroid than nuke...
[12:43] <krazykook> [nubious] : these bastards won't let me talk to my children...so i dont care if they nuke the whole world
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: with a nuke there's the possibility of living through it and dealing with the fallout
[12:43] <mandingo> bigbill52a: but I didn't remove the bus line
[12:43] <reisio> [nubious] : ya...ugly mutant chicks...I'll pass
[12:43] <krazykook> [nubious] : who gives a shit if they nuke the whole world
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: you've said that already
[12:43] <bigbill52a> it wouldnt work on mine until i removed that line...
[12:43] <[nubious] > krazykook: thrice
[12:43] <mandingo> let me give that a shot
[12:43] <mandingo> thanks bigbill52a
[12:44] <[nubious] > krazykook: I'm not saying I care persay, but you asked why HP wasn't selling products - I was only answering your question
[12:44] <reisio> krazykook: I do :)
[12:44] <bigbill52a> your welcome..hope it helps
[12:44] <RedNeck-> Does anyone know where I can download themes for Ubuntu?
[12:44] <mandingo> me too!
[12:44] <reisio> [nubious] : why HP isn't selling products?
[12:44] <reisio> bigbill52a: you're
[12:44] <mandingo> I've heard all these great things about ubuntu
[12:44] <[nubious] > err shipping products
[12:44] <reisio> RedNeck-: gnome-look.org ?
[12:44] <mandingo> I want to check it out
[12:44] <[nubious] > [15:45]  <krazykook> before...HP sold stuff to Asia....i wonder why they are restricting stuff now
[12:44] <mandingo> I'm a lifelong debian unstable user
[12:44] <maswan> krazykook: trial run in the market where they have the most big corporate linux sales? that's a pure guess though.
[12:45] <dcraven> I just made my first deb.. Good times.
[12:45] <RedNeck-> thanks reisio..
[12:45] <reisio> RedNeck-: ...?
[12:45] <maswan> krazykook: It doesn't appear to be a published end-user product anyway, at least not as far as websites go.
[12:46] <jamesio> anyone here have problems with dvd sound in vlc?
[12:46] <reisio> HP is in financial trouble atm I thought
[12:46] <RedNeck-> reisio thanks for the info
[12:46] <bigbill52a> anyone know if there is a driver for x6150 or if any of the existent drivers will make my printer work...
[12:46] <reisio> RedNeck-: oh...
[12:46] <krazykook> HP sure makes some strange decisions
[12:47] <foxiness> im see on Volume Control : to dev to select one "realtek or intel" what is this for ?
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: yes, they sure do
[12:47] <Octane> can someone explain to me, i just went through the installer, on an already partitioned system (home root swap and boot)
[12:47] <Octane> did the installer respect these partitions?
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: of course they fired that crazy lady that made most of them
[12:47] <krazykook> and i noticed they are not including the Brazilians and the Latin America Free Software Foundation either
[12:47] <maswan> krazykook: It makes sense if you look at it from the point of view that a couple of large customers asked, and they are providing it for those (fisrt, hopefully)
[12:47] <reisio> krazykook: she's a millionaire...
[12:48] <krazykook> reisio: is that the Carly lady again
[12:48] <reisio> krazykook: don't even remember her name - the one that thought Gwen Stefani holding an HP iPod would boost sales
[12:48] <foxiness> Octane, what the problem ?
[12:49] <krazykook> HPs problem is not thier mobos...it is their printers
[12:49] <reisio> krazykook: you can say that again
[12:49] <Octane> im not sure... the installer didnt have something like a partition configuration step
[12:49] <reisio> HP printers bite
[12:49] <reisio> stupid POS
[12:49] <reisio> and that's their big money maker
[12:49] <foxiness> Octane, u must selet it than tell the installer what to do
[12:49] <bigbill52a> type expert when the boot up screen starts
[12:50] <bigbill52a> and you will access all the setup functions
[12:50] <krazykook> reisio: yes i know...HP, Brother, Epson are all making a fortune off of ink
[12:50] <foxiness> Octane, it will not do auto for u exp.... if u select erase all
[12:50] <reisio> krazykook: I have no idea how they make printers as annoying as they do
[12:50] <Octane> foxiness: yah i selected erase all
[12:50] <bigbill52a> if any one wants to know how to get windows xp to load on sata and ubuntu on ide without affecting each other let me know
[12:50] <krazykook> reisio: well i am sick of the paper jams in the HP
[12:51] <reisio> krazykook: they're evil...way too much hardware crap that should be software
[12:51] <krazykook> reisio: everytime the paper jams in the laserjet...i have to tear the whole thing apart to get the paper out
[12:51] <foxiness> Octane, select edit than somthing like hda3 that change it to ext3 than to /
[12:51] <reisio> krazykook: a printer should do one thing: print
[12:51] <Octane> fuck
[12:51] <Octane> its already installing
[12:51] <krazykook> reisio: that laserjet is the worst design i ever saw
[12:52] <reisio> krazykook: wasn't there something in the news about like chips to make printers stop working or something? stop using ink before the cartridge is empty?
[12:52] <Octane> foxiness what kind of partition map does thje installer use if you do erase all/
[12:52] <krazykook> reisio: they play all kinds of games with ink
[12:52] <foxiness> Octane, 1 - / 2 swap
[12:52] <bigbill52a> the automatic partition only gives 7 gig for root and the rest for home out of 40 gig hd
[12:53] <Beies> just installed ubuntu
[12:53] <Octane> foxiness: does it separate boot and home?
[12:53] <reisio> krazykook: http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzhp234230029apr23,0,4722955.story?coll=ny-business-headlines
[12:53] <Beies> on dell inspiron 6000
[12:53] <bigbill52a> since i like to play with lots of software...that would never be enough
[12:53] <Beies> what a mess to shrink NTFS xp partition
[12:54] <foxiness> now 2 of my frinds installed ubuntu and the 3 on the way :)
[12:54] <foxiness> friends
[12:54] <reisio> foxiness: far out
[12:54] <reisio> I installed Ubuntu once
[12:54] <krazykook> but the laserjet is the worst...you have to tear the whole drum out every time the paper jams
[12:54] <reisio> very gnomey
[12:55] <Beies> where do I find gnome applets
[12:55] <Beies> ?
[12:55] <reisio> uhhhh
[12:55] <reisio> clusty.com?
[12:55] <foxiness> reisio, yeah i like the act gnome do and i think my friends like my
[12:55] <krazykook> and not the toner cartridge...i mean the whole drum assembly...every time the paper jams
[12:55] <reisio> foxiness: cool
[12:56] <reisio> yes yes - HP evil, not HP good
[12:56] <Beies> as well as epson
[12:56] <airox> hehe
[12:56] <krazykook> reisio: that HPLJ5L is the worst ever
[12:56] <airox> curse them all!
[12:56] <foxiness> what the best laptop to buy ?
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: A working one.
[12:56] <foxiness> my friend need one
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: What do you want to do with it ?
[12:56] <foxiness> airox, i think soo
[12:56] <airox> foxiness: Or he.
[12:56] <Beies> this dell is working fine with ubuntu
[12:56] <Tomcat__> This HP as well. :)
[12:57] <airox> My toshiba is also working great with ubuntu.
[12:57] <Tomcat__> Even perfectly.
[12:57] <foxiness> airox, browser that all and w screen
[12:57] <airox> Yeah, same over here.
[12:57] <Beies> where do I put my background images?
[12:57] <reisio> this old crap HP is working fine with GNOME
[12:57] <reisio> Beies: anywhere you like
[12:57] <bretzel>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted ??? I am root ... what's wrong ?
[12:57] <Beies> mmh
[12:57] <krg> Heh.
[12:57] <krg> The following other operating systems have been detected on this computer:  Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[12:57] <airox> toshiba tecra 8200 FULLY working :)
[12:57] <krg> Yeah.
[12:57] <krazykook> reisio: i miss the HPLJ4P...it was perfect
[12:57] <Beies> i can't browse
[12:57] <krg> You guys might want to learn how to recognize FreeBSD, too.
[12:57] <airox> krg: ARGH!
[12:57] <airox> krg: ;)
[12:57] <foxiness> Beies, anywhere
[12:58] <krazykook> reisio: but they went from good to bad
[12:58] <krg> Because like.
[12:58] <Tomcat__> I even got the WLAN LED working now with newer ipw2200 drivers... :o
[12:58] <foxiness> airox, thanks
[12:58] <Nalioth> Beies, anywhere you like, system uses /usr/share/background and /usr/share/wallpaper
[12:58] <krg> That's just embarrassing.
[12:58] <Beies> ok, thx
[12:58] <ssam> it does not even recognise other linuxs
[12:58] <reisio> krg: say what?
[12:58] <REAL> does ubuntu hoary 5.4 comes with the gcc package? i have to installed but the other computer is not with inet.... does it come in the cd or not?
[12:59] <bretzel> Hello, can;t set dna on: error:  setting using_dma to 1 (on)   .. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:59] <foxiness> did anyone use bluetooth btw laptop and smartphone like p910
[12:59] <LinuxJones> krg, you can always fix that and submit a patch it is Open Source Software :)
[12:59] <krg> This PC has both XP Pro and FreeBSD installed on it.
[12:59] <krg> Ubuntu installer doesn't see FreeBSD.
[12:59] <airox> foxiness: I used bluetooth with a sony ericsson T610.
[12:59] <krg> Heh.
[12:59] <foxiness> bretzel, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[12:59] <airox> foxiness: Got GPRS working.
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Yeah, the CD has gcc.
[12:59] <REAL> Tomcat do u know the path where it might be?
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Ubuntu has a quite handy "build-essential" package.
[12:59] <LinuxJones> krg, I am meaning to test freebsd it is quite good I hear
[12:59] <Tomcat__> REAL: Install that package
[12:59] <foxiness> bretzel, or cdrom - dvd
[12:59] <krg> Fortunately, it will let me put grub on hd1.
[01:00] <airox> LinuxJones: There is also pc-bsd perhaps.
[01:00] <airox> But ubuntu just rocks.
[01:00] <bretzel> foxiness: Still not permitted: I do am root
[01:00] <krg> Heh.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, great to hear
[01:00] <Tomcat__> REAL: Or just install the gcc package
[01:00] <krg> I don't trust Linux as a server.
[01:00] <airox> krg: That, I also don't.
[01:00] <krg> You don't have just one person to yell at.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, is this bluetooth bulitin or what ?
[01:00] <krg> Oh good.
[01:00] <airox> foxiness: You need some packages for it.
[01:00] <krg> It works.
[01:00] <foxiness> airox, i dont have one
[01:00] <Tomcat__> krg: I never had a person to yell at with not-Linux servers either. :o
[01:01] <krg> Heh.
[01:01] <ssam> krg, should you use openbsd for a server
[01:01] <foxiness> airox, i need to add one to my laptop
[01:01] <foxiness> bretzel, its work with me ;)
[01:01] <airox> foxiness: I just use a usb bluetooth stick.
[01:01] <krg> If I want a megalomaniacal personality in charge of my servers, I'll use Mac OS X Server.
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> is hurd suppose to replace linux?
[01:01] <foxiness> bretzel, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[01:01] <krg> hybrid: Yes, in about 20 years.
[01:01] <airox> foxiness: Cost me about 40 euro's, but I can plug it in every computer I have.
[01:01] <foxiness> airox, brand name
[01:02] <LinuxJones> airox, there are a few ****bsd's I'm not sure which would be best suited for a generic desktop system you have any recommendation ?
[01:02] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: so far i only got the hurd working on a novel nic
[01:02] <krg> Heh.
[01:02] <krg> Probably FreeBSD.
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: freeBSD
[01:02] <LinuxJones> cool
[01:02] <airox> LinuxJones: pc-bsd ?
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: or NetBSD if you need to install on weird hardware
[01:02] <foxiness> airox, what is this i need to buy one :)
[01:02] <krazykook> krazykook: the hardware choices are even more limited than linux
[01:02] <airox> LinuxJones: pc-bsd is based on freebsd
[01:02] <LinuxJones> yfir, I have generic vanilla type hardware
[01:02] <krg> PC-BSD?
[01:02] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: ha sounds like linux .01
[01:02] <reisio> LinuxJones: FreeBSD
[01:02] <krg> Is that a new fork?
[01:02] <yfir> LinuxJones: i'd go with freeBSD (i use it myself - it's great)
[01:03] <LinuxJones> reisio, yfir awesoem thanks :)
[01:03] <airox> A desktop OS just has to let me be productive nothing else :)
[01:03] <krg> Yeah.
[01:03] <reisio> airox: and what do you produce?
[01:03] <krg> That's why I use Mac OS X.  :P
[01:03] <airox> reisio: You don't want to know. :)
[01:03] <reisio> airox: sure I do - that's why I asked
[01:03] <krazykook> airox: linux people don't care about productivity...they like to experiment with code and pioneer things
[01:04] <reisio> ya...except not
[01:04] <airox> reisio: Working on *cough* Access *cough* based application.
[01:04] <krazykook> airox: it is where all the action is
[01:04] <reisio> ...wtf is Access-based application?
[01:04] <airox> Still want to know more ? :P
[01:04] <airox> reisio: Like MS Access ....
[01:04] <reisio> yes I know
[01:04] <reisio> wtf is that
[01:04] <Tomcat__> Argh, I hate those.
[01:04] <krg> Heh.
[01:04] <reisio> you make applications that play with Access?
[01:04] <foxiness> airox, where can i find this usb bluetooth u use ? i want to buy one
[01:04] <reisio> what do they _do_?
[01:04] <krg> I'm reimplementing an Access app to PHP+Postgres.
[01:04] <yfir> krg: osx is a fine os, but i prefer something open
[01:05] <krg> Yeah.
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: OpenDarwin, then
[01:05] <krg> You prefer openness.
[01:05] <airox> foxiness: I got a d-link, but there are more I guess.
[01:05] <Tomcat__> I heard there are banking applications worth hundreds of thousands dollars in Access... that's evil.
[01:05] <krg> I prefer working.  :P
[01:05] <krg> Aw.
[01:05] <yfir> reisio: linux/bsd is fine for me
[01:05] <krg> Ubuntu uses apt.
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: same
[01:05] <krazykook> Tomcat_well Access is what made the MS empire
[01:05] <reisio> yfir: though I'd like to give Plan 9 a whirl
[01:05] <yfir> resiak: that's funny, me too :)
[01:06] <bigbill52a> infodex pro is a easy to use database program...
[01:06] <krazykook> Tomcat_ there are all kinds of people that use databases
[01:06] <Tomcat__> krazykook: I think Windows and Office has a higher market share than access. :)
[01:06] <reisio> could be fun porting stuff/building apps for it
[01:06] <bigbill52a> in windoze
[01:06] <krazykook> Tomcat_the only reason Office sells is because of Acess...it is included
[01:06] <reisio> yes
[01:06] <krg> Not in all versions of Office.
[01:06] <krg> Only Office Pro.
[01:06] <Octane> i just got a million friggin errors when all the packages were being installed
[01:06] <refuze2looze> how do i add the debian menu?
[01:07] <krg> Office Standard doesn't have it.
[01:07] <Octane> before it even did an upgrade when it insatglled them
[01:07] <_nate> i didn't buy office for access, nor do i know anyone who did
[01:07] <PeskyGee> hi all, I'm new to Ubuntu. So far so good :) I was wondering were I can get a repo that has xine-ui and perhaps tvtime or zapping to install?
[01:07] <krazykook> krg: well MS has so many versions of everything...it is mindboggling
[01:07] <zbowling> i'm slowly building a repo of pentium3 or better optimized versions of all the debs... make a script based on apt-build to micro-incriment and append a new change logo entry to the deb-src and rebuild and resign them for -march=pentium3 -mtune=pentium3.. i'll post my repo later
[01:07] <foxiness> thanks a lot airox
[01:07] <foxiness> time to go Zzz c y l8r
[01:07] <zbowling> about 5-30% faster
[01:07] <airox> foxiness: Good luck with it all!
[01:08] <airox> foxiness: nn.
[01:08] <krg> Hm.
[01:08] <reisio> ya...I build all my packages from source :p
[01:08] <krg> I like Ubuntu's installer until the whole package thing happens.
[01:08] <reisio> well, most :P
[01:08] <bigbill52a> ubuntu live is a great way to copy Documents and Settings from a corrupted windows system to an external hd
[01:08] <mandingo> might as well use gentoo
[01:08] <krg> Heh.
[01:08] <reisio> bigbill52a: yes...or any LiveCD :p
[01:08] <krg> Does Ubuntu read NTFS?
[01:08] <_nate> bigbill52a: so is knoppix
[01:08] <reisio> mandingo: I do :p
[01:08] <airox> krg: Yes.
[01:08] <krg> Oh.
[01:08] <Octane> krg depends on your kernel
[01:08] <krg> Hot.
[01:08] <^thehatsrule^> captive ntfs
[01:09] <krg> Heh.
[01:09] <krg> Well.
[01:09] <yfir> krg: reads,doesn't write
[01:09] <krg> The default live CD?
[01:09] <krg> Yeah.
[01:09] <krg> Nothing smart other than NT reads NTFS.
[01:09] <krazykook> mandingo: the people can't use gentoo....the technicians look around in dismay and say i can't understand this crap and i dont' have 2 days to install it....just give me that windows cd over there
[01:09] <airox> krg: Even write with some emulation software with some windows components.
[01:09] <reisio> krazykook: "the people"?
[01:09] <bigbill52a> if you use system rescue disk...stuck with command line...but live cd with its xwindows..makes the job a lot faster and easier
[01:09] <Octane> why is it that when apt-get intially runs i keep getting the error "fontconfig error: cannot load default config file"
[01:09] <saber_> captive ntfs is awesome
[01:09] <Octane> and it halts until i ctrl+C
[01:09] <Zodiac> Guys...
[01:09] <reisio> a technician that can't understand Gentoo...that's pretty sad
[01:09] <airox> saber_: indeed :)
[01:09] <saber_> that's a package that really has been lacking
[01:10] <Zodiac> It is my mission in life to get wireless internet working on my OC
[01:10] <Zodiac> PC
[01:10] <saber_> in the community
[01:10] <Zodiac> it will happen
[01:10] <airox> saber_: U got it working without a kernel build btw ?
[01:10] <reisio> Zodiac: go to it
[01:10] <bigbill52a> windows crashes helps me make a living..may windows crash forever...lol
[01:10] <Octane> lol bigbill52a
[01:10] <airox> Zodiac: Go go go! :)
[01:10] <reisio> bigbill52a: you don't have to wish it - it will
[01:10] <saber_> airox: i'm actually using it with feather linux.   http://featherlinux.berlios.de/download.htm
[01:10] <airox> saber_: ah.
[01:11] <saber_> airox: i'm going to spend the next few days trying to get mondorescue onto feather-tiny
[01:11] <bigbill52a> 75% of my business is reinstalling windoze...and saving the customers files and porno...opps did i say that
[01:11] <Zodiac> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
[01:11] <saber_> ... so you can easily backup any system on CDs :)
[01:11] <Zodiac> I'M DOING IT!!!
[01:11] <Octane> any idea on how to fix this fontconfig problem
[01:11] <airox> saber_: cool!
[01:11] <Octane> where it cant regenrate the fonts cache
[01:12] <bigbill52a> with live cd...just access nautilus..my external drive is already read when it starts up
[01:12] <airox> bigbill52a: Great isn't it!
[01:12] <bigbill52a> sudo mount -tntfs /dev/hda /media/c
[01:12] <bigbill52a> mkdir first of course
[01:12] <reisio> bigbill52a: yes yes livecds are great :p
[01:13] <reisio> the FreeSBIE LiveCD is nice...purdy Xfce
[01:13] <RedNeck-> How can I became a root in Ubuntu?
[01:13] <airox> RedNeck-: Why ?
[01:13] <Zodiac> I failed
[01:13] <Zodiac> ha ha
[01:13] <Zodiac> Shit
[01:13] <Octane> RedNeck- do everything from sudo
[01:13] <reisio> airox: why? :p
[01:13] <RedNeck-> need to install a theme?
[01:13] <yfir> RedNeck-: sudo -s if you need a root shell
[01:13] <Zodiac> guys how do you unload drivers in NDSIwrapper?
[01:13] <bigbill52a> redneck you need to change your sudo file..so that your username reads the same as root
[01:13] <airox> reisio: "Why ?" ? :)
[01:13] <Octane> why the hell cant my fonts cache regenreate
[01:14] <RedNeck-> How?
[01:14] <reisio> there must be thousands of good reasons to use root...that's why it exists
[01:14] <_nate> Zodiac: first douse your puter in gasoline
[01:14] <shray> su -
[01:14] <airox> sudo su -
[01:14] <_nate> no, use sudo
[01:14] <airox> :)
[01:14] <reisio> sudo passwd :)
[01:14] <airox> sudo bash
[01:14] <Zodiac> Seriously I should
[01:14] <reisio> ROOOOOT
[01:14] <bigbill52a> /etc/sudoers
[01:14] <trondd> Does anyone here know the what the "mapping hotplug"-section in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:15] <_nate> there's a rare place where you even need root shell, and for that you can use sudo -s
[01:15] <Zodiac> This thing only detected half my hardware
[01:15] <_nate> there's no reason to set up root on ubuntu
[01:15] <shray> im ircing from root
[01:15] <shray> =)
[01:15] <krg> Yeah.
[01:15] <bigbill52a> it is supposed to do it automatically with the first username..but it doesnt
[01:15] <reisio> _nate: ...right :p

[01:15] <krg> That's like saying, "I'm driving after drinking 30 beers!  :)))))))"
[01:15] <bigbill52a> you can also do
[01:15] <bigbill52a> su
[01:15] <_nate> reisio: name one good reason
[01:15] <airox> Yep, least privileges is the best.
[01:15] <bigbill52a> and gdmsetup
[01:15] <reisio> _nate: lol
[01:16] <reisio> _nate: rafb.net
[01:16] <bigbill52a> change gdmsetup so you can log in as root...
[01:16] <airox> bigbill52a: Why in hell would you want to login as root ?
[01:16] <bigbill52a> login the first time...change sudoers and after that it is easy...just sudo everything
[01:16] <RedNeck-> How can I change the sudo file?
[01:16] <_nate> bigbill52a: you don't ever need to login as root
[01:16] <reisio> RedNeck-: just edit it
[01:16] <airox> bigbill52a: sudo vim /etc/sudoers
[01:16] <Octane> has anyone else here had problems with generating the fonts cache on an initial?
[01:17] <Zodiac> Is it bad if hald my hardware is listed as "unknown"?
[01:17] <bigbill52a> sudo wont work though...until you change the file
[01:17] <bigbill52a> so you have to su
[01:17] <airox> bigbill52a: ??
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and enter password
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and then nautilus
[01:17] <bigbill52a> and then click on the file
[01:18] <bigbill52a> sudoers
[01:18] <bigbill52a> and make line underneath root
[01:18] <airox> bigbill52a: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers ???
[01:18] <airox> Normally sudo just works ?
[01:18] <bigbill52a> wont work until you change that file
[01:18] <bigbill52a> so you have to use su
[01:18] <airox> bigbill52a: In which situation ?
[01:19] <krg> Where the hell do you guys hide the xorg config?
[01:19] <reisio> krg: locate xorg.conf
[01:19] <bigbill52a> first time you use ubuntu
[01:19] <reisio> krg: or XF86Config, no idea which Ubuntu uses
[01:19] <krg> Hot.
[01:19] <krg> Thanks.
[01:19] <airox> xorg.conf that is.
[01:19] <bigbill52a> unles your user name is in the sudoers file..you cant use sudo
[01:19] <nakata> //etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:19] <Zodiac> Everything seems pretty snappy... which is weird because everything is listed as unknown... should I persue this as a problem?
[01:20] <reisio> Zodiac: heheh
[01:20] <airox> bigbill52a: If you add a user at the install it will have a corresponding sudoers line.
[01:20] <nalioth> wow this xchat-gnome certainly is different
[01:20] <bigbill52a> didnt do that on mine
[01:20] <Zodiac> Seriouslly?
[01:20] <reisio> nalioth: from what?
[01:20] <airox> bigbill52a: That's odd.
[01:20] <bigbill52a> and i did make a username
[01:20] <bigbill52a> bub
[01:20] <bigbill52a> bug?
[01:20] <nalioth> reisio: standard xchat
[01:21] <airox> bigbill52a: Could be.
[01:21] <nalioth> reisio: #xchat-gnome
[01:21] <bigbill52a> i had to su password nautilus
[01:21] <Tezkah> sudo rm -rf /
[01:21] <bigbill52a> select sudorers in /etc and manually make the change
[01:21] <Tezkah> tezkah'ssecretpassword
[01:21] <Tezkah> oops
[01:21] <Tezkah> wrong window
[01:21] <reisio> nalioth: oh, never heard of it - what's the diff?
[01:21] <Zodiac> Is that normal?
[01:22] <airox> bigbill52a: If you are sure it should be there you should file a bug.
[01:22] <nalioth> reisio: it uses more gnome-centric widgets over standard gtk stuff
[01:22] <bigbill52a> it said that it would be there but it wasnt....
[01:23] <bigbill52a> so weird things were happening
[01:23] <nalioth> reisio: check it out here or in the chan i sent whallago http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[01:23] <airox> bigbill52a: Sure you got a right CD or something ?
[01:23] <krazykook> i don't know why MS has so many inconsistent versions of everything....like DataCenter Edition and Enterprise Edition
[01:23] <desti> what's going on with the torrents, i cant download or upload one bit since days :-/
[01:23] <bigbill52a> like no root passwords would work
[01:23] <krazykook> how are people supposed to know the difference
[01:23] <reisio> nalioth: far out
[01:23] <bigbill52a> shure did..latest version
[01:23] <airox> bigbill52a: Hoary I assume ?
[01:23] <bigbill52a> 5.04
[01:23] <airox> Ok.
[01:24] <krazykook> and why is the Enterprise edition different than the DataCenter Edition
[01:24] <reisio> krazykook: they're not - they're supposed to buy them all thinking they have other stuff
[01:24] <ozmund>  maybe it's similar to GNU/Linux's different distros?
[01:24] <bigbill52a> didnt work...
[01:24] <airox> Is there a possibility you can reproduce the bug ?
[01:24] <bigbill52a> everytime i reinstalled ubuntu..the bug repeated...i like to reinstall stuff...lol
[01:24] <ozmund> krazykook, my post was a comment to your 'i don't know why MS has so man..'
[01:24] <krazykook> they have so many versions of everything it is ridiculous
[01:25] <bigbill52a> but now i figure that linux will eventually crash..but i still love it...
[01:25] <K_Dallas> I have noticed that there is a package in Debian named Diploma (for LaTeX) but I have no idea what it really is only that is for sceintific works. Has anyone ever used it and is there any documentation that I could consult? thanks
[01:25] <bigbill52a> brb  cig break
[01:25] <John6000> nope
[01:25] <JDahl> K_Dallas, ctan is the best place to look for latex packages and documentation
[01:26] <John6000> 12:25 at night in uk
[01:26] <bigbill52a> btw i have amd-64 but i used 386 install..not enough yet for amd-64
[01:26] <hybrid_goth> bigbill52a: it wil crash with breezy
[01:26] <reisio> bigbill52a: eventually crash?
[01:26] <bigbill52a> xmms crashes for no apparent reason and sometimes takes the entire system...into a freeze
[01:27] <K_Dallas> JDahl, i will look there too but since i have the package installed on my system, i was trying to find it and see what it looks like in person ;)
[01:27] <bigbill52a> so switched to a different music program..amarok...to see what that one does
[01:27] <JDahl> I've also had quite a few crashes with Hoary on my Dell Optiplex, and I dont recall having those crashes when I had Debian/Testing installed
[01:28] <airox> Never had a single crash with ubuntu :/
[01:28] <murdok_> HELP! - i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver in the root! someone can HELP?
[01:28] <Jonas-> Hi, I have a noob problem: I have made a script for iptables configuration, but I cant get it to execute.
[01:28] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo ./firewall
[01:28] <Jonas-> sudo: ./firewall: command not found
[01:28] <airox> Jonas-: What does the first line say ?
[01:28] <K_Dallas> is where the beast is installed, /usr/share/doc/diploma/examples
[01:28] <airox> Jonas-: It should be executable and containing #!/bin/sh
[01:29] <Jonas-> airox -> #!/bin/bash
[01:29] <airox> or #!/bin/bash ..
[01:29] <airox> Jonas-: Do you have the x bit set on the file ?
[01:29] <reisio> bigbill52a: beep-media-player :)
[01:29] <Jonas-> airox -> I guess not...how? :)
[01:29] <airox> Jonas-: chmod +x firewall ?
[01:30] <murdok_> HELP! - i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver in the root! someone can HELP?
[01:30] <tsume> murdok_: no yelling, thanks
[01:30] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ chmod +x firewall
[01:30] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo ./firewall
[01:30] <Jonas-> sudo: unable to execute ./firewall: No such file or directory
[01:30] <murdok_> tsume can you help me to do this?
[01:31] <airox> Jonas-: try sudo /home/jonas/firewall
[01:31] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ sudo /home/jonas/firewall
[01:31] <Jonas-> sudo: unable to execute /home/jonas/firewall: No such file or directory
[01:31] <nalioth> aol is now offering free webmail, so instead of spamming from aol.net, it can be directly delivered
[01:32] <murdok_>  i have my sound drivers in a .tar file (sis701-2.4.x.tar) and i need assist to install this driver with the root! someone can help?
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: Are you sure the file is in the appropriate dir ?
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: And you have the name correctly ?
[01:32] <Jonas-> airox yes
[01:32] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ dir
[01:32] <Jonas-> firewall
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: ls -l
[01:32] <airox> Jonas-: What does it return ?
[01:33] <bigbill52a> i will see if amarok crashes...lol
[01:33] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ ls -l
[01:33] <Jonas-> total 4
[01:33] <Jonas-> -rwxr-xr-x  1 jonas jonas 439 2005-05-15 01:25 firewall
[01:33] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I'm having problems using fdisk on a usb drive; I mount the drive, I can read and write to it,  but when I do fdisk /mnt/usb it complains "You will not be able to write the partition table. Unable to read /mnt/usb" Whatd I do?
[01:33] <murdok_> Please someone help me with my sound drivers....
[01:33] <bigbill52a> does anyone know why kde crashes with pretty little gray flashing boxes on the screen
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: Looks Ok.
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: pwd returns what ?
[01:34] <Jonas-> jonas@jonasl:~$ pwd
[01:34] <Jonas-> /home/jonas
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: O_o
[01:34] <bigbill52a> with or without fglrx installed...programs continue operating ...burning cds, playing music but there is no way to exit xwindows
[01:34] <airox> Jonas-: sudo sh /home/jonas/firewall
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: Strange and many errors you have ...
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: What are u using ?
[01:35] <airox> bigbill52a: Kubuntu or ubuntu ?|
[01:35] <bigbill52a> ubuntu
[01:36] <Jonas-> airox thanks, now I can execute the script :)
[01:36] <airox> Jonas-: Check the first line again for the correct statement.
[01:36] <Jonas-> what correct statement?
[01:36] <airox> Jonas-: #!/bin/bash
[01:36] <bigbill52a> ctrl-alt-f keys do not work when it crashes..ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
[01:36] <airox> bigbill52a: Using ubuntu and KDE ? :S
[01:36] <phanter> hello, how do I remotely restart sshd (so i am using sshd)?
[01:37] <bigbill52a> but the music continue playing
[01:37] <airox> phanter: Just restart it.
[01:37] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:37] <airox> phanter: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[01:37] <bigbill52a> but i stay on gnome..since it doesnt seem to crash
[01:37] <airox> phanter: sshd does the privilege seperation thingie.
[01:37] <phanter> aha oke.. thanks
[01:37] <bigbill52a> or if it does crash...you can get out of xwindows most of the time
[01:38] <airox> phanter: It spaws another sshd with the user yourself.
[01:38] <airox> phanter: Check it out with ps aux.
[01:38] <tony> Hello people
[01:38] <Jonas-> airox, first line is #!/bin/bash is that wrong?
[01:38] <airox> Jonas-: nope, not afaik.
[01:38] <airox> hi tony
[01:38] <tony> Can anyone give me a nice quick description of why to use Ubuntu over straight debian?
[01:38] <murdok_> please!!!! somebody help me install my sound drivers!!!!!!
[01:38] <tony> Aside from Kubuntu packaging 3.4, unlike the current sarge debain
[01:38] <tony> debian*
[01:39] <stuNNed> murdok_: patience, wise one.
[01:39] <stuNNed> tony: welp, if you want something with a smaller package set geared towards desktop and that will install quickly and have that set for you out of the box, i'd say ubuntu
[01:39] <bigbill52a> if you use the ubuntu unofficial guide ..you can get most multimedia working....
[01:40] <tony> Is there anything specific ubuntu handles nicer? better security model, etc?
[01:40] <bigbill52a> that is why i like ubuntu and the unofficial guide....just copy and paste
[01:40] <Keizer> Sup guys
[01:40] <IFRFLYR> bigbill52a: try xfce4
[01:40] <Keizer> I'm trying to mount my USB thumb drive
[01:40] <Keizer> What's the FS type for a usb thumb drive?
[01:40] <bigbill52a> tried it...gnome is still the most stable
[01:40] <airox> tony: It's easier to install I guess.
[01:40] <tony> Hm, alright. Thanks.
[01:41] <bigbill52a> and multimedia works like real player
[01:41] <murdok_> stunned can you help me man?i just want to install my sound drivers..
[01:41] <airox> And has a nice 6 months release schedule.
[01:41] <Keizer> >_<
[01:41] <JDahl> Keizer, it can have any FS, just like any other drive
[01:41] <stuNNed> murdok_: what type soundcard?
[01:41] <murdok_> SiS
[01:41] <tony> My 200gb FreeBSD drive just blew up, and I was looking for something more debian-ish. Thanks.
[01:41] <nalioth> murdok_: why dont you use apt-get?
[01:41] <murdok_> the drivers are in a tar file
[01:41] <krg> Heh.
[01:41] <cody> anyone know a plugin to play .wmv files on ubuntu??????????????
[01:41] <airox> tony: You won't be dissapointed ;)
[01:41] <krg> Why are you looking for something more debianish?
[01:41] <airox> tony: I have gone from debian to ubuntu and liked it.
[01:42] <bigbill52a> stuff works
[01:42] <tony> I've mostly been using knoppix for the last few days, it was a physical explosion on my 200.. Needed something ot run on my 8gb
[01:42] <airox> cody: w32codecs. There is some piece of information on ubuntuguide.org.
[01:42] <stuNNed> airox: hmm you know if marillat is mentioned at the ubuntuguide.org?
[01:42] <airox> tony: Sounds dangerous :)
[01:42] <tony> The only specific thing I've heard of being great about Ubuntu is the community, but hm
[01:42] <tony> I'll go for it
[01:42] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:42] <airox> stuNNed: Yes, it's mentioned.
[01:42] <tony> I can already see the rumors were right
[01:43] <Jonas-> How do I create a new user login from commandline?
[01:43] <airox> Jonas-: Using adduser.
[01:43] <tony> adduser <3
[01:43] <Jonas-> thx
[01:43] <tony> 'man adduser' for details, as always
[01:43] <stuNNed> airox: ah ok thanks, cuz the restrictedformats guide on the wiki now mentions backports instead of marillat
[01:43] <Keizer> JDahl, How can I find out?
[01:43] <Razor-X> hah, another person converted to Linux
[01:43] <bigbill52a> it is included in the sources.list that the unofficial guide recommends
[01:43] <hey2k5> guys, if I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade, I would go from Warty to Hoary?
[01:44] <airox> hey2k5: Did you altered the sources.list ?
[01:44] <stuNNed> hey2k5: if you change your repo's to point to 'hoary' yes
[01:44] <bigbill52a> yes
[01:44] <bigbill52a> to what they recommended...
[01:44] <hey2k5> oh yea, gotta do the change...
[01:44] <JDahl> Keizer, you can use set fs type to auto in /etc/fstab, or use fdisk to check the type
[01:44] <tony> Hm. Weird question. Is there any way to install handler for BSD binarys under a Debian install? BSD allows linux bins when insatlled, but any way to reverse it?
[01:45] <Keizer> I got it
[01:45] <airox> When I'm doing /usr/share/lufs/prepmod for the use of captive-ntfs it complains about that it cannot find the correct kernel sources.
[01:45] <bigbill52a> and all my multimedia and ati drivers work for the first time in any linux distro
[01:45] <airox> I'm running 2.6.10-5-k7.
[01:45] <LinuxJones> bigbill52a, sweet :)
[01:45] <bigbill52a> same here
[01:45] <airox> installed the kernel-headers for this kernel and installed 2.6.10 source
[01:46] <airox> What could be the problem guys ?
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:46] <goofrider> airox, doesn't lufs requires a kernel module?
[01:46] <jamesio> argh.
[01:46] <airox> goofrider: Yes.
[01:46] <jamesio> for the life of me, I can't find any information on why vlc won't play sound
[01:46] <airox> goofrider: That's the one I'm building afaik.
[01:46] <LinuxJones> airox, did you add the linux softlink to the kernel source ?
[01:46] <airox> There is lufs.ko
[01:46] <tony> LET'S all just #rm -rf /, and install FreeBSD, kthx <3
[01:46] <goofrider> airox, and u compiled and installed it using module-assistant?
[01:47] <airox> goofrider: Nope.
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> tony :p
[01:47] <airox> goofrider: apt-get'ing module-assistant now.
[01:47] <hey2k5> ok so one more question, it would be safe to do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' right? I just installed warty (had old cd) now want to upgrade.
[01:47] <bigbill52a> i love pan newsreader...i wish that they had a windows version
[01:47] <airox> LinuxJones: You mean /usr/src/linux ?
[01:47] <[freebsd> FreeBSD! LET MY PEOPLE GOOOO!
[01:47] <goofrider> airox, module-assistant is the helper program to compile and install kernel modules in Debian/Ubuntu
[01:47] <LinuxJones> airox, yeah
[01:48] <[freebsd> BigBill, why do you want a Win version of it.
[01:48] <nalioth> bigbill52a: there is a windows version of pan
[01:48] <bigbill52a> sometimes i have to print and cant print in linux
[01:48] <goofrider> airox, module-assitant will tell u the headers u need to download (if any) and build the module, make a DEB, and install it with dpkg
[01:48] <[freebsd> Windwos printer?
[01:48] <bigbill52a> where do i get it?
[01:48] <goofrider> IIRC
[01:48] <nalioth> bigbill52a: you get it at the same place you get the linux ver
[01:48] <airox> goofrider: Great program.
[01:48] <bigbill52a> or use my cams
[01:49] <goofrider> hey2k5, u should do apt-get update, apt-get upgrad ;apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:49] <[freebsd> Oh.. Question. trying to nab a printer via SMB, on the host TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is something along the lines of the model.. It attempts to grab it, says everything ran ok, and yet I get no printer response. Ideas?
[01:49] <zxc> is there any way to make a launcher to shutdown/ lock screen?
[01:49] <hey2k5> ok
[01:49] <Tezkah> yep
[01:49] <goofrider> airox, the cmd to run module-assistant is `m-a a-i <module-name>`
[01:50] <reisio> zxc: but of course
[01:50] <zxc> reisio: how :P
[01:50] <bigbill52a> but i really can not stand the antiseptic and boring windows environment...
[01:50] <reisio> zxc: clusty.com
[01:50] <goofrider> airox, short for `module-assistant auto-install <modname>`.  have fun.
[01:50] <nalioth> bigbill52a: the link to the win32 pan, also leads you to gtk for windows
[01:50] <airox> goofrider: Yep, got it installed.
[01:50] <[freebsd> Oh.. Question. trying to nab a printer via SMB, on the host TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is something along the lines of the model.. It attempts to grab it, says everything ran ok, and yet I get no printer response. Ideas?
[01:50] <jamesio> sorsis, anyone know a bit about vlc?
[01:50] <nalioth> bigbill52a: so its really not that different in appearance from the linux ver
[01:50] <bigbill52a> i give out the live cd so that my customers can play the games..lol
[01:51] <Razor-X> jamesio: I do
[01:51] <bigbill52a> and maybe win a few more converts...
[01:51] <reisio> bigbill52a: boring?
[01:51] <goofrider> [freebsd, have use set the permission of /var/sppol/samba correctly?
[01:51] <zxc> ok rephrase question: how do I shutdown using terminal
[01:51] <bigbill52a> windows xp bores me
[01:51] <X7C> !
[01:51] <Razor-X> zxc: some variation of the 'shutdown' command
[01:51] <Octane> i made a boot partition on hda1 and then i tell ubuntu to install grub to it
[01:51] <Octane> and then when i boot grub says error
[01:51] <nalioth> zxc "shutdown -h now"
[01:51] <Octane> anyon eknow what i did wrong
[01:51] <goofrider> [freebsd, make sure /var/spool/samba is 777
[01:52] <airox> goofrider: It complains about unknown symbol in module.
[01:52] <[freebsd> mk
[01:52] <[freebsd> Thank you
[01:52] <reisio> zxc: that's a bad idea to do from inside GNOME
[01:52] <jamesio> Razor-X, standard installation of vlc, but no sound at all.  the alsa parts are installed...
[01:52] <[freebsd> Will do.
[01:52] <Razor-X> Octane: GRUB should be on the MBR of HDA
[01:52] <Razor-X> jamesio: are you getting sound without VLC?
[01:52] <goofrider> airox, u'r using the lufs-source package right?
[01:52] <Octane> Razor-X ahh okay
[01:52] <jamesio> Razor-X, yup.  sound works great in every program except for vlc
[01:52] <wasabi> Has anybody received their shipit cds?
[01:52] <airox> goofrider: I did it all with module-assistant.
[01:52] <airox> wasabi: Yes.
[01:52] <bigbill52a> you can install windows on sata drive and ubuntu on ide drive without any interaction between them at boot time
[01:52] <Razor-X> jamesio: try a reinstall
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, lufs-utils package is the binary userland utils
[01:53] <bigbill52a> just figured out how to do it on my puter
[01:53] <Razor-X> I can't wait to get a Trackman Wheel today....
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, "lufs-source" package is the module source
[01:53] <[freebsd> lol.. I'm on my Windows box to burn an iso, only comp in house with a burner. [/me ssh's to my other comp and sets permissions]
[01:53] <jamesio> Razor-X, it's worth a shot.  that's about the only thing I haven't done
[01:53] <Octane> Razor-X so should i do 512 swap, home and root manualkly
[01:53] <zxc> reisio: google to find a good way? :\
[01:53] <Razor-X> bigbill52a: or, you can just hide the partitions/drives from each other in GRUB
[01:53] <goofrider> airox, and if the module source is there, m-a should download all the required headers for u
[01:54] <Razor-X> Octane: nope, let the installer handle it all the way
[01:54] <bigbill52a> dont want linux or windows messing with the boot of the other...
[01:54] <airox> goofrider: So I can better delete all the apt-get'ed headers ?
[01:54] <Razor-X> don't change anything GRUBwise
[01:54] <Octane> is that right
[01:54] <airox> goofrider: Just to be sure.
[01:54] <goofrider> airox, u can leave them thre, it doesn't break anytging
[01:54] <bigbill52a> had too many bad experiences
[01:54] <reisio> zxc: is it so hard to just logout and use  GDM? :)
[01:54] <Razor-X> nothing at all happens in this box, right now i'm in WXP (because my dad could come in the room)
[01:54] <zxc> reisio, nah, just like to try and do stuff...
[01:54] <[freebsd> Under Debian, how do I change my default Display manager from KDM to GDM?
[01:55] <bigbill52a> windows likes to trash other boot loaders
[01:55] <bigbill52a> if you have to reinstall the piece of sh??
[01:55] <reisio> [freebsd: /etc/rc.conf, DISPLAYMANAGER=
[01:55] <[freebsd> Thanks.
[01:55] <Octane> Razor-X but then it doesnt separate root and home
[01:55] <[freebsd> I need to read more on Debian.. I'm a BSD nerd :
[01:55] <[freebsd> :(
[01:56] <jamesio> Razor-X, did a full uninstall and re-installed just vlc... do I need any other pieces for alsa sound?
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, dpkg-reconfigure kdm or gdm
[01:56] <Razor-X> bigbill52a: that's why you hide the other partition in GRUB, and make sure GRUB is in MBR
[01:56] <TheKark> hey, how come if i say log in and then think crap i didn't want to or wanted to switch users the button for logging out of gnome won't work
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:56] <Razor-X> jamesio: no sure....
[01:56] <airox> goofrider: It all goes without errors so far.
[01:56] <goofrider> bigbill52a, it'll ask u if u wanna use gdm or kdm as the default DM at boot time
[01:56] <cody> anyone know where a "program is that will play .wmv files on ubuntu?
[01:56] <Razor-X> Octane: hmmm, then maybe partition the space out manually, and when it comes to the /etc/fstab, make sure to mount it accordingly
[01:56] <airox> goofrider: But doing sudo modprobe lufs gives those unknown symbol in module errors.
[01:56] <goofrider> airox, good. when it's done, it'll be all installed for u as well.
[01:57] <Razor-X> *not sure
[01:57] <George__> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/0419-gif.html
[01:57] <goofrider> airox, well, what are the unkown symbols?
[01:58] <airox> goofrider: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info
[01:58] <airox> let em google for it
[01:58] <Octane> Razor-X: okay thanks a lot man
[01:58] <reisio> cody: mplayer can play wmv
[01:58] <jamesio> Razor-X, same problem ... no sound in vlc
[01:59] <TheKark> anyone here play ogame?
[01:59] <reisio> TheKark: nope - what is it?
[01:59] <goofrider> airox, well, then the lufs-source's package may be broken. time to ask google yourself
[01:59] <TheKark> reisio: some game my friends play and I just started www.ogame.org
[01:59] <goofrider> airox, it's probably some missing dependancy
[01:59] <TheKark> it is pretty good
[02:00] <goofrider> airox, isn't module-assistant gr8 though?  ;)
[02:01] <[freebsd> Mk. So this printer. The Workgroup is K-WAY, host is TROLLCASTLE, and the printer name is 'HP DeskJet 970Cse'.. I chose the DJ 970 driver, default setting, and test/print.. BAM, nothing. /var/spool/samba = 777. Any ideas?
[02:01] <reisio> TheKark: site with no screenshots...dirty
[02:01] <airox> goofrider: It sure is!
[02:02] <goofrider> [freebsd, and are u using the Adobe Postscript driver on the Windows side?
[02:02] <airox> goofrider: Seems like I need to edit 1 line in the kernel sources or something :)
[02:02] <TheKark> reisio: it is a browser game... not like a real game
[02:02] <goofrider> airox, if u need to compile your own custom kernel, make sure u install it using make-kpkg
[02:02] <TheKark> reisio: strategy
[02:02] <airox> goofrider: Yeah, I hope I won't.
[02:02] <goofrider> if u didn't know about it already
[02:03] <reisio> TheKark: ah zzzZZZzz :p sorry
[02:03] <airox> Well normally I compiled kernels without making packages of them.
[02:03] <airox> But that was on debian.
[02:03] <[freebsd> No, not PostScript
[02:04] <airox> Still haven't touched ubuntu kernels.
[02:04] <goofrider> [freebsd, u are sharing using cups over samba, right?
[02:04] <reisio> ubuntu has its own special kernels?
[02:04] <ssam> thekark is it compatible with linux
[02:04] <reisio> TheKark: it's browser-based
[02:04] <airox> Well I guess ubuntu doesn't have it :)
[02:04] <goofrider> [freebsd, with cups over samba, the share printer will always appear as a Postscript printer to everyone on the network
[02:04] <TheKark> yeah what he said
[02:04] <ssam> thekark cool
[02:05] <goofrider> [freebsd, cuz cups has the printer-specific driver to do all the real rendering.
[02:05] <TheKark> nice because it works when you are not playing it, so it doesn't require tons of time
[02:06] <goofrider> [freebsd, download the Adbode Postcript drtiver @ Adobe.com and change the windows printer config to use PS, and u should be all set
[02:06] <goofrider> airox, you're supposed to use make-kpkg when u compile custom kernels on Debian as well
[02:08] <[freebsd> Mk, thanks.
[02:08] <JorisK> Hello everyone, my SOUND is not working, i got a Audigy 2 card.
[02:09] <JorisK> I've noticed an thread in the forums telling i should check the Digital input/output jack, it's turned off but how do i turn it on?
[02:09] <JorisK> I'm talking about alsamixer
[02:09] <JorisK> Anyone?
[02:11] <metalsand> diegocgteleline.es writes "According with Tom's Hardware, HP is working with Ubuntu to offer a customized GNU/Linux version that works 100% - wireless, bluetooth, IrDA, IEEE1394 - with HP hardware. This offer will be restricted to Europe, Middle East and Africa. The CD includes free support through online resources as well as paid support through Canonical, the developer of Ubuntu."
[02:12] <goofrider> metalsand, holy crap
[02:12] <ShadowRage> Q&A tiime
[02:12] <ShadowRage> time*
[02:12] <JorisK> I've noticed an thread in the forums telling i should check the Digital input/output jack, it's turned off but how do i turn it on?
[02:12] <ShadowRage> I got a nvidia geforce mx4000
[02:12] <JorisK> Anyone?
[02:12] <ShadowRage> what driver do I need and how do I reconfigure X?
[02:13] <Gatton> I wonder why they're restricting it to only those countries. Maybe as a test roll out? See what kind of response they get?
[02:13] <cody> where can u download mplayer?
[02:13] <LinuxJones> goofrider, unfortunately they are not pre-installing Ubuntu only sending the install cd :(
[02:14] <metalsand> Cody: Have you tried using apt-get install?
[02:14] <Octane> is it normal for ubuntu base system config to report that there was a problem installing selected software and that one or more packages failed?
[02:14] <transgress> where might i make a suggestion for ubuntu problems... such as the firefox package?
[02:14] <cody> how do u do that im a windows user lol
[02:14] <goofrider> LinuxJones, metalsand and the CD is for HP **notebooks***
[02:14] <goofrider> http://news.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/20/1316224&tid=96
[02:14] <transgress> it's not a bug as much as someone not having any foresight
[02:14] <reisio> transgress: what's the problem?
[02:14] <LinuxJones> Octane, do you remember which packages ?
[02:14] <Octane> LinuxJones i havent touched anything yet, this is my second install though in a row, brand new hdd
[02:14] <goofrider> but it's a very good start for but Ubuntu and Linux itself
[02:15] <Octane> both times i got that one or more packages failed
[02:15] <transgress> reisio: the ubuntu firefox package requires gnome support... so if i pull it onto my kubuntu box, it tries to pull in gnome-base and some other gnome crap that i don't want...
[02:15] <reisio> transgress: that's nice - what is it?
[02:15] <reisio> transgress: wow, stupid :p
[02:15] <Gatton> isn't that b/c firefox uses GTK for drawing it's stuff?
[02:15] <transgress> yeah especially since they have a separate ff package that is like mozilla-firefox-gnome-support and it's the same freaking package as mozilla-firefox
[02:15] <transgress> Gatton: gtk doesn't require gnome
[02:16] <Gatton> hmm wonder why it's wanting to pull the gnome stuff then
[02:16] <cody> apt-get install where does this go?
[02:16] <transgress> Gatton: it was just compiled with the gnome support option enabled
[02:16] <Gatton> transgress...got ti thanks
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Octane, do you remember which part the packages, is it after the base install and during the updates section ?
[02:16] <Octane> LinuxJones during updates section
[02:16] <Octane> now im in aptitude
[02:17] <Octane> and the weird thing is, both installs were identical and aptitude is reporting a different size for updates
[02:17] <Octane> first it was 18 megs now its 52 megs
[02:17] <LinuxJones> Octane, it's probably just a broken dependency on hopefully not a very important file
[02:17] <Octane> should i just let aptitude do its thing then?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> Octane, yes
[02:18] <majic> did anyone receive the free 5.04 cd's yet? (just curious)
[02:18] <goofrider> transgress, maybe u should talk to the kubuntu team about having a friefox-qt package
[02:18] <transgress> goofrider: those packages are below alpha
[02:18] <airox> majic: Yes.
[02:18] <LinuxJones> Octane, if it spits out a dozen errors about broken dependencies it's best to wait a day or so till it get's fixed
[02:18] <NoUse> is anyone having problems with the torrent?  It seems like its not working
[02:18] <transgress> goofrider: it's not about making a firefox-qt package... it's about making a firefox package that isn't going to pull in gnome
[02:18] <airox> majic: All my friends also recieved them.
[02:19] <Chamlap`> so I'm going to give Ubuntu a try today on my desktop, what are the best mirrors to get the distro from?
[02:19] <transgress> kubuntu doesn't have it's own repo's
[02:19] <LinuxJones> Octane, I did a re-install after a hard drive failure today and everyting went just fine
[02:19] <majic> airox, nice. I signed up over a month ago.   Is it a live enabled cd? :P
[02:20] <Octane> LinuxJones i cant i dont even have lynx!
[02:20] <goofrider> transgress, I guess it does make sense to refactor the package(s). file a bug report
[02:20] <IcemanV9> Chamlap`: there are list of mirrors on the bottom of page
[02:20] <Octane> give me one sec
[02:21] <Chamlap`> thanks
[02:21] <cody> mplayer
[02:21] <IcemanV9> Chamlap`: yep, there are torrent files; don't know if it is working right now
[02:21] <Octane> LinuxJones the only there is the cdrom
[02:21] <Octane> LinuxJones everyhthing else is commented out
[02:21] <LinuxJones> Octane, is it the hoary cd or warty ?
[02:21] <Octane> hoary
[02:22] <ssam> cody have a look at system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[02:22] <Octane> kubuntu 5.04
[02:22] <elmaya> any1 has installed smeg 0.5?
[02:22] <goofrider> elmaya, I have. haven't used it though
[02:22] <cody> i dont see mplayer?
[02:22] <Octane> i mean i really want ubuntu but yet every time i have tried to isntall it i get serious problems and i cant continue
[02:23] <LinuxJones> Octane, ok can you comment out the cdrom part and uncomment out the Ubuntu repo, then apt-get update ?
[02:23] <IcemanV9> elmaya: i have installed it and used it. what's up?
[02:23] <goofrider> Octane, why don't u use apt-get or synpatic?
[02:23] <cyphase> what do you think is the best CMS for business sites?
[02:23] <elmaya> how do i run it? IcemanV9
[02:23] <Octane> goofrider i dont even get that far!!! i am in the first time boot when it runs aptitude automatically
[02:23] <LinuxJones> Octane, it sounds like you have a bad cd burn. Are you able to check the md5sum of the ubuntu .iso file ?
[02:23] <goofrider> Octane, just skip it
[02:23] <IcemanV9> elmaya: menu --> system tools --> smeg
[02:23] <ShadowRage> what driver do I need and how do I reconfigure X? (geforce mx4000)
[02:23] <Octane> LinuxJones hmm didnt think of that
[02:24] <Octane> yah i can
[02:24] <goofrider> Octane, all u have to do is apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to install the ENTIRE SYSTEM
[02:24] <[freebsd> With what in sources.list?
[02:24] <LinuxJones> Octane, you shouldn't be getting those errors from files on the cd. You should double check the .iso and re-burn at a lower speed if you can.
[02:24] <elmaya> oh then is not installed
[02:24] <goofrider> Octane, I installed Ubuntu with a bad CD b4. I just let it finish (and installed a broekn system) then I do `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` and it's fixed
[02:25] <elmaya> IcemanV9, i got this error with the scritp package libgnome-menu0 is already installed and configured
[02:25] <elmaya> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:25] <elmaya>  libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[02:25] <elmaya>  libgnome-menu0
[02:25] <krazykook>  goofrider hey don't feel bad...it is still broken
[02:25] <airox> goofrider: make-kpkg is also very handy! :)
[02:25] <goofrider> airox, yes it is
[02:25] <Octane> goofrider ooh interesting
[02:25] <krazykook> goofrider: i did manage to get the latest glom with some report features working
[02:25] <goofrider> Octane, so keep going, I'll step u thrugh it if u need help
[02:25] <airox> goofrider: Stupid never to check these things. I did like 16 kernel compiles on my previous debian server without these tools.
[02:25] <krazykook> goofrider: but murray says he aint' going to do no more if he don't get some money
[02:26] <Octane> goofrider thanks i appreciate that, let me just check the md5 out of curiousity
[02:26] <goofrider> airox, well, RTFM is the message  :)
[02:26] <IcemanV9> elmaya: i followed the instruction from http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[02:26] <Octane> one thing i gotta say ubuntu people are a million times nicer than fedora people
[02:26] <airox> goofrider: hehe
[02:26] <IcemanV9> elmaya: it works just fine
[02:26] <airox> goofrider: Sometimes you get tired reading all those manuals :)
[02:26] <darkaudit> Octane: and 10 million times nicer than #debian people ;)
[02:26] <goofrider> Octane, well cuz Fedora is always broken. I'll be upset too if I use Fedora  LOL
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: maybe next paycheck i will send murray a little to keep him going...but i can't pay much
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Octane, heh and a billion times nicer than a few Debian people :)
[02:27] <airox> Isn't it like VERY important to stay friendly in a channel ?
[02:27] <elmaya> IcemanV9, ok i'll take a look thanks
[02:27] <jamesio> anybody have any ideas on how to fix vlc sound?  did a re-install and it didn't work.
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: because it would be good for everyone to be able to use a free glom
[02:27] <goofrider> krazykook, WTF r u talking about? I think I'm losing u
[02:27] <airox> To many people say RTFM to easily I guess :)
[02:27] <darkaudit> airox: #debian is by far the nastiest linux channel I've ever been in
[02:27] <airox> Just don't say anything at all then ;)
[02:27] <krazykook> goofrider: well murray says he is tired and he aint gonna do no more if he don't get some money
[02:28] <goofrider> whos murray?
[02:28] <elmaya> wow now it works
[02:28] <goofrider> Debian ppl can be rather.. um.. self-absorbed
[02:28] <kingsley_> "rtl8139-diag" reports "Flow control: Tx disabled  Rx disabled" on a new eth1. Could this explain why "ping" fails?
[02:28] <airox> kingsley_: Yes!
[02:29] <IcemanV9> elmaya:  haha. terrific! :)
[02:29] <airox> kingsley_: It's like saying it doesn't send and recieve data :)
[02:29] <airox> Can't be good ;)
[02:29] <cyphase> what do you think is the best CMS for business sites?
[02:29] <Octane> okay iso md5 checks just fine
[02:29] <kingsley_> airox: Do you happen to know how to fix it?
[02:30] <airox> kingsley_: No, sorry. But can't that rtl8139-diag tool do this ?
[02:30] <goofrider> cyphase, that depends on what type of CMS u'r talking about
[02:30] <goofrider> kingsley_, was it working previously?
[02:30] <tsume> CMS, content management system?
[02:30] <goofrider> kingsley_, what does "ifup" say?
[02:30] <kingsley_> goofrider: No, it's a new net.
[02:31] <ShadowRage> what's the command to set up X?
[02:31] <airox> tsume: Yep.
[02:31] <goofrider> ShadowRage, orgconfig
[02:31] <goofrider> ShadowRage, xorgconfig
[02:31] <ShadowRage> k
[02:31] <tritium> ShadowRage, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:31] <ShadowRage> k
[02:31] <tritium> don't use xorgconfig please
[02:31] <tsume> cyphase: the best CMS and framework would be Zope, and Plone
[02:31] <transgress> bleh someone has already filled out a ticket for firefox requiring gnome support
[02:31] <goofrider> tritium, yeah u'r right
[02:31] <cyphase> tsume, is plone good
[02:31] <cyphase> tsume, as in easy to use
[02:31] <cyphase> lol
[02:32] <tritium> goofrider, it's cool :)
[02:32] <tsume> cyphase: very
[02:32] <ShadowRage> tritium: I have a nvidia geforce and I want it to work
[02:32] <cyphase> ok, thanx tsume
[02:32] <airox> transgress: Doesn't it have yet ?
[02:32] <goofrider> cyphase, well, apparently u never make a custom product
[02:32] <goofrider> in Plone/Zope
[02:32] <tritium> ShadowRage, okay
[02:32] <airox> transgress: Because there is mozilla-firefox-gnome-support package :S
[02:32] <tsume> goofrider: Zope is my savior :)
[02:32] <kingsley_> goofrider: I don't use "ifup" but if you'd like, I could post eight lines of output from "ifconfig" to "#flood".
[02:32] <goofrider> cyphase, Zope isn't just about easy. It's framework is immensively deep
[02:33] <mpm> anyone have experience setting up a radius server with WEP?  or WPA even?
[02:33] <tritium> ShadowRage, which one?
[02:33] <goofrider> kingsley_, oh I can't commit to that.. I'm horrbiel about ifconfig
[02:33] <Gatton> immensively...cool word lol
[02:33] <tsume> cyphase: http://plone.org/
[02:33] <goofrider> <-- n00b just like everyone else
[02:33] <cyphase> yea, i know
[02:33] <ShadowRage> tritium: geforce 4 mx4000
[02:33] <cyphase> lol
[02:33] <tritium> ShadowRage, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:33] <cyphase> i've researched all the CMSs, i just wanted to get a second opinion
[02:33] <tsume> cyphase: plone is very nice, its built from the zope framework
[02:33] <cyphase> and third and fourth..
[02:33] <cyphase> ;)
[02:34] <cyphase> yea, i know
[02:34] <ShadowRage> tritium: the drivers are installed
[02:34] <goofrider> cyphase, but u never said anything about what u need it for and what CMS r u looking for
[02:34] <tsume> mpm: don't use WEP, use WOA
[02:34] <tritium> ShadowRage, did you run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" after installing them?
[02:34] <tsume> *WPA
[02:35] <cyphase> goofrider, true
[02:35] <cyphase> lol
[02:35] <cyphase> well..
[02:35] <Absenth> I have a linux challenge for you all to help me solve :)
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium: it isnt in the pc yet
[02:35] <mpm> tsume I'd like to use WPA; I was confused by the threads I found; you have any pointers?
[02:35] <IcemanV9> kingsley_: try system --> administration --> networking; to see if it does help u
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium: I'm prepping stuff
[02:35] <ShadowRage> tritium:
[02:35] <benjamindees> what apps does Ubuntu include for digital photography?
[02:36] <Tezkah> gimp?
[02:36] <Chamlap`> so it seems like ubuntu us getting quite popular, how'd that happpen?  I know speaking for myself I JUST heard about it
[02:36] <tsume> mpm: make the key in WPA very long and randomised
[02:36] <Tezkah> word of mouth
[02:36] <transgress> airox: i know... they are the same package... it sucks when you use kubuntu and can't pull ff w/o pulling in half of gnome
[02:36] <tritium> ShadowRage, I hope you're using ubuntu packages, and not the driver off nvidia's website...
[02:36] <goofrider> gimp is in universe i think
[02:36] <benjamindees> Tezkah, gimp 2.x ?
[02:36] <Absenth> I have a laptop, no cd-rom, no floppy drive, no onboard nic (which means no net boot)  How do I get an operating system other then windows 9x installed on it?
[02:36] <kanuha> Is there a modern webcam that ubuntu/kubuntu supports out of the box?
[02:36] <tsume> mpm: use apg to generate non-pronouncable keys
[02:36] <ShadowRage> tritium: of course
[02:36] <LinuxJones> Absenth, the anticipation is killing me :)
[02:36] <goofrider> oh gimp is in main, never mind
[02:36] <ShadowRage> tritium: if in doubt, check the package db first is my thing
[02:36] <mpm> tsume: I can make the key; it's not knowing how to use iwconfig or whatever to connect to it
[02:36] <tritium> ShadowRage, glad to hear that
[02:36] <tsume> kanuha: look at gcam or whatever its called
[02:37] <cyphase> i need it for a business site. Its a tech business, and needs a simple, clean, attractive interface. and it should be easy to administer
[02:37] <_nate> anyone know how to get around a ban on an irc channel?
[02:37] <Tezkah> yep, the gimp is good for photo editing
[02:37] <cyphase> lol
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, use loadin
[02:37] <tsume> mpm: oh, the clients?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Absenth, usb pen drive ?
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, use loadlin
[02:37] <airox> _nate: not.
[02:37] <tsume> mpm: some client cards need a patch or a hack to work with WPA
[02:37] <benjamindees> well I spent a day last week having a web designer tell me how bad he thought GIMP was... is the new interface better?
[02:37] <Absenth> LinuxJones, won't boot to usb, or I'd have slapped a cdrom on it :).
[02:37] <_nate> airox: someone hijacked our channel and is trying to hold it ransom
[02:37] <krg> How do I prevent X from starting for a single boot?
[02:37] <Absenth> goofrider, loadlin?
[02:37] <_nate> airox: does it ban by ip?
[02:37] <goofrider> Absenth, if u have a usb key drive that's 600MB then yeah
[02:37] <Octane> LinuxJones i dont have any blank cds so i think im gonna follow goofrider's advice
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Absenth, argh
[02:37] <airox> _nate: depends on how the ban is set.
[02:37] <Octane> and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <mpm> tsume:  I'm using ndiswrapper; I'm pretty sure the card supports WPA is it the "iwconfig" tool you use to set it?
[02:38] <airox> _nate: It could ban by ip, yes.
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, that should work ok :)
[02:38] <Octane> which repos should i uncomment
[02:38] <_nate> airox: what other things could it ban by?
[02:38] <kanuha> tsume: not looking for an app, looking at hardware, thx though
[02:38] <tsume> benjamindees: I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. A experienced gimper will work the gimp interface as fast as an idiot on photoshop
[02:38] <goofrider> Absenth, u can use loadin to load a minimal linux kernel, then mount your ISO file using loopback
[02:38] <goofrider> loadlin***
[02:38] <airox> _nate: username, ident, parts of your rdns
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, the one with main restricted and universe
[02:38] <tsume> kanuha: no, you are wanting to know the software too
[02:38] <_nate> airox: i see
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Octane, sorry and the univerce ONE :)
[02:38] <tsume> kanuha: if the gcam supports it, then it will most likely be plug and play
[02:39] <tsume> it might be gcam, its a weird name.
[02:39] <Chambers`> does ubuntu have a usenet download program?  Similar to windws newsleecher?
[02:39] <Octane> LinuxJones lol thats all of them
[02:39] <BrettMeister> I'm installing 5.04 as the other OS on my Gateway laptop.  I've tried all kinds of ways to figure out the screen resolution.  Best I can tell its 100.3 horiz and 100.3 vert.
[02:39] <goofrider> Absenth, loadlin is a DOX/Win9x program to boot a linux kernel
[02:39] <tsume> Chambers`: pan2?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Octane, make sure it's the 'deb' and not 'deb-src' lines
[02:39] <ShadowRage> gqradio needs to be added to the repository
[02:39] <BrettMeister> What do I do with that when I'm adjusting in the xorg.conf file?
[02:39] <Chambers`> pan2 will decode yenc files?
[02:40] <tritium> Chambers`, apt-cache search usenet
[02:40] <kanuha> tsume: I think gcam is the name, I had it installed before but it did not recognize my current cam.
[02:40] <BrettMeister> Doesn't give a range like on most documentation.
[02:40] <tsume> hmm, Think so.. do you need gui or command line?
[02:40] <Chambers`> thanks
[02:40] <tritium> It's not a terribly long list to look through
[02:40] <Absenth> goofrider fantastic, thanks man.  Off to JFGI loadlin.
[02:40] <tsume> kanuha: look in the supported devices for it.
[02:40] <Tezkah> so right now I'm using KDE, with the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, and when I boot into GNOME, it looks like this is still in effect (I'm using KDE right now)
[02:40] <krazykook> but there is one thing about glom and that it has a creative commons license to allow commercial use
[02:40] <darkaudit> tsume: pan... 2? I have pan and it's great, but pan2?
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Octane, you only need one if you want to add 'universe' after restricted , oh yeah and you need the security one as well :D
[02:40] <Absenth> now, can someone recomend a linux for a P2-266mhz with a whopping 64mb of ram?
[02:40] <Tezkah> Absenth: BeOS
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Absenth, damn small linux
[02:41] <Tezkah> oh wait...
[02:41] <goofrider> Absenth, damn small?
[02:41] <krazykook> but the problem is that we have to use gnu tools to compile it...so we are bound by gnu not creative commons
[02:41] <PeskyGee> what audio application shows the album cover of the songs you are playing in Gnome???
[02:41] <Chambers`> whats ppan's homepage?
[02:41] <darkaudit> pan.rebelbase.com
[02:41] <Absenth> heh BeOS is pretty cool actually :)
[02:41] <Chambers`> nm
[02:41] <krazykook> they can't just change the license when that license conflicts with automatic other licenses
[02:41] <Chambers`> oh..thanks :P
[02:41] <PeskyGee> I like Be  :-)
[02:41] <Absenth> alright, DamnSmall it is.  Thanks for the help guys.
[02:41] <krazykook> the same with postgres
[02:42] <PeskyGee> but it needs updates bad. Zeta is looking pretty good
[02:42] <Chambers`> so will ubuntu let me watch dvd's?
[02:42] <krazykook> they say a bsd type license...but we have to compile it and therefore we have to use a gnu license
[02:42] <BrettMeister> tritium: Hi there.
[02:42] <tsume> darkaudit: I think pan2 is 0.14.x
[02:42] <krazykook> these crazy people can't just put whatever license they want
[02:42] <krg> Heh.
[02:42] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: sure you can
[02:42] <krg> Hm.
[02:42] <Chambers`> dvd's that aren't decrypted
[02:42] <ssam> peskygee muine
[02:42] <tsume> darkaudit: it uses gtk2.. I think its where the 2 comes from.
[02:42] <krg> This "X keeps respawning" thing is kinda harshing my mellow.
[02:43] <PeskyGee> yes thats it thanks
[02:43] <Chambers`> cause i installed suse and i couldn't play them without jumping through hoops
[02:43] <PeskyGee> is that in the repo?
[02:43] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: just drop in DVD and it will mount automatically
[02:43] <Chambers`> movies?
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Chambers`, yeah you need to install a codec probably though
[02:43] <IcemanV9> Chambers`: dunno about decrypted part
[02:43] <Chambers`> doh!
[02:43] <goofrider> Chambers`, http://ubuntuguide.org.
[02:43] <goofrider> and read the DVD sectin
[02:43] <Chambers`> i shall find out :)
[02:43] <goofrider> section
[02:43] <darkaudit> tsume: ok... the ubuntu version is the last one before they went on extended hiatus... just recently started work on it again
[02:44] <krazykook> i don't think these people understand the first thing about licenses
[02:44] <Octane> now when i try to apt-get update i get "method gpgv has died unexpectedly!"
[02:44] <LinuxJones> krazykook, what are you talking about ?
[02:44] <Chambers`> nice!  Thanks
[02:44] <krazykook> if we use gnu tools to compile or run the code then the license that applies is gnu...not bsd...not creative commons...not mpl...not whatever else
[02:44] <goofrider> Octane, check for broken packages first
[02:45] <krazykook> these people think they can make up any license they want
[02:45] <darkaudit> krazykook: you're a debian-legal regular, aren't you? :)
[02:45] <goofrider> Octane, "apt-get check"
[02:46] <airox> They should make a progress bar for kernel compiles ...
[02:46] <airox> ;)
[02:46] <goofrider> Octane, if GPG is broken, then just disable packaging signature verification for now for the upgrade
[02:46] <Octane> I did with the -f flag
[02:46] <krazykook> well i personally don't care...but it is just utter nonsense to have these conflicting license terms
[02:46] <metalsand> Anyone know of the package that allows you to edit gnome panels?
[02:47] <krazykook> you can't compile something on gnu and use it as a bsd license
[02:47] <airox> Anyone ever compiled a ubuntu kernel and could tell me a bit on the time it would take ?
[02:47] <goofrider> Octane, u still have to check for broken packages first
[02:47] <PeskyGee> I must say guys, I was never much of a gnome fan but I just installed Ubuntu about a hour ago and man!! everything is just working. I'm very impressed and like it very much  :-)
[02:47] <IcemanV9> metalsand: right-click on the panel
[02:47] <carthik> krazykook, so using the gcc, for example requires that you use the gpl license for whatever you compiled - is that right?
[02:47] <metalsand> IcemanV9: No.
[02:47] <krazykook> carthik: well typically you are linking against some gnu libs...so yes you are bound to a gnu license
[02:47] <metalsand> IcemanV9: The program that allows more rhobust options for editing.
[02:48] <goofrider> Octane, there'll be some problems since u installed a broken system, but most of the issues are very easily fixed.
[02:48] <darkaudit> airox: depends on how fast your system is... 20 min or so on a 2.5GHz P4 was about avg for me
[02:48] <IcemanV9> metalsand: ah. not that i know of.
[02:48] <Octane> goofrider i get about a dozen dependency problems
[02:48] <airox> darkaudit: amd 2600+ over here
[02:48] <PeskyGee> only thing I would like to do is cut out some of the stuff that loads at boot. LVM I don't need and such
[02:48] <krazykook> carthik: but these people just don't seem to understand....postgres thinks it can use a bsd type license....mozilla thinks it can use a mpl....glom thinks it can use a creative commons....and so on
[02:48] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here is a Blackberry user?
[02:48] <darkaudit> airox: prob about the same, then
[02:48] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Yea.  I installed ubuntu 5.04 just a few weeks ago and have had the same experience.
[02:48] <airox> :)
[02:49] <Octane> couldcould stat source package list
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, any of them are critical packages? like glibc?  LOL
[02:49] <Octane> nono
[02:49] <Octane> x related
[02:49] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I must say, its great
[02:49] <Octane> and openoffice
[02:49] <krazykook> carthik: you cannot do this...because once you are bound to a gnu license you can't simulateously be bound by another license that conflicts
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, and dpkg is fine?
[02:49] <Octane> (this is kubuntu 5.04 were talkinga bout here)
[02:49] <goofrider> Octane, I wonder why GPG failed
[02:49] <krazykook> but these people just don't seem to understand
[02:49] <darkaudit> airox: I was also making an initrd, too... per http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
[02:50] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: after F!@#ing with a billion other distros, I think I may have found my niche
[02:50] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: They have done the same thing as Fedora in having an automatic update thing, only theirs works better.  I worked with Fedora Core 3 for a while.
[02:50] <goofrider> Octane, just disable GPG verifcation in apt for now (i forgot the steps though so u may have to ask google)
[02:50] <carthik> krazykook, a good start would be to try and enforce licenses by monitoring violations, or making the terms clearer :)
[02:50] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: yeah I tried Fedora but I'm sorry I just hate RPM's
[02:51] <krazykook> carthik: oh screw it ...i don't give a damn...it is so messed up
[02:51] <goofrider> Octane, it can't stat package list because u didn't download any (cuz apt-get update failed). That error will disappear after a successful apt-get update
[02:51] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Well...I didn't mind rpms, etc.  I just think that this system here works better.
[02:51] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Right now I'm currently playing with this one, SuSE and Mepis. and so far Ubuntu wins for sure
[02:51] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: And...I'm appreciating the newest gnome better than when I started.
[02:51] <krg> 16:49:16 < krazykook> carthik: you cannot do this...because once you are bound to a gnu license you can't simulateously be bound by another license that conflicts
[02:51] <krg> Uh.
[02:51] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: agreed
[02:52] <krg> The copyright owner can give you a different license.
[02:52] <krazykook> krg: no they can't becuase you have to use gnu material to compile and use the code
[02:52] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: I'm replacing Mepis with Ubu 5.04 on my laptop right now.
[02:52] <krg> Like if Company A released Product A under the GPL, they could give me a different license to it.
[02:52] <LinuxJones> krazykook, bsd licences are gpl compatible or have I missed something ?
[02:52] <krg> They couldn't give me a different license to code to which they do not have copyright.
[02:52] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: What did you think about Suse?
[02:52] <krazykook> LinuxJones: well hell i just don't know
[02:53] <krg> But they can give me a different license to any code to which they own the copyright.
[02:53] <goofrider> krazykook, please read the GPL faq
[02:53] <airox> Installing KDE on ubuntu wasn't hard was it ?
[02:53] <goofrider> krazykook, that's was a bunch of FUD
[02:53] <goofrider> and off-topic
[02:53] <airox> So I have Gnome and KDE, is it possible ?
[02:53] <krazykook> goofrider: no...i don't think GNU has changed..if you link against any of their c libraries...i think you are automatically bound to follow a gnu license
[02:54] <goofrider> airox, possible to....?
[02:54] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: its not bad at all except for the RPM hell with the fact that no MP3 support and DVD Supp out of the box. and man a hell of a time getting it to work. BUt after that, responsive and clean  :-)
[02:54] <darkaudit> airox: I have GNOME, KDE, blackbox, fluxbox, and XFCE (so, yes) :)
[02:54] <airox> darkaudit: hehehe
[02:54] <airox> darkaudit: Ok! :)
[02:54] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: lol
[02:54] <goofrider> krazykook, no you are not. You're just voilating the license
[02:54] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: but this puts it to shame
[02:54] <krazykook> goofrider: that is the point
[02:54] <goofrider> krazykook, which means either u re-relicense in GPL, stop linking, or go to court
[02:55] <goofrider> krazykook, that's not AUTOMATIC
[02:55] <LinuxJones> krazykook, nobody is forcing you to use gpl'd code.
[02:55] <krg> You don't need to link against glib.
[02:55] <nalioth> airox: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:55] <nalioth> airox: and have fun
[02:55] <krg> In order to have something under GPL.
[02:55] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Do you happen to know something about changing the screen resolution from within the xorg.conf file?  I have done it successfully on this machine; but, I think that it'll be harder on my laptop.
[02:55] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: and I like that its Debian based
[02:55] <krazykook> LinuxJones: i like using gnu code....i am just saying these other people can't impose other licenses if we are compiling their code on gnu
[02:55] <airox> nalioth: Thanks!
[02:55] <goofrider> you have to RE-LICENSE your code in GPL (to comply with GPL) if u link to GPL libs. It's not automatic. YOU have to do it EXPLICITLY
[02:55] <LinuxJones> krazykook, what other people ?
[02:56] <krazykook> LinuxJones: people like Mozilla, postgress, glom, etc
[02:56] <goofrider> krazykook, compiling isn't lining
[02:56] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: just get your modelines and specs for you monitor and edit it manually. thats the best way. On what system?
[02:56] <Juhaz> glibc is LGPL, not GPL
[02:56] <goofrider> krazykook, and core gnu libs like glibc are LGPL not GPL
[02:57] <goofrider> krazykook, so RTFM, read the GPL faq, and leave us alone
[02:57] <goofrider> krazykook, u r VERY misinformed
[02:57] <krazykook> goofrider: whatever
[02:57] <jm^> Hi. Is there a "package" for rar/unrar?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> ok guys time to change topics :)
[02:57] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Well, that's the deal.    The best that I can get on info is that the horiz and vert are both 100.3.  So...what kind of a range would I set in the .config file?
[02:58] <darkaudit> jm^: unrar-nonfree
[02:58] <BrettMeister> Anyone can answer that if you want.  I would welcome it.
[02:58] <jm^> darkaudit: hmm. I did "apt-cache search rar" and it showed me lots of stuff, but not that
[02:59] <mpt> Does uninstalling "ubuntu-desktop" do anything major?
[02:59] <darkaudit> jm^: it's in multiverse
[02:59] <goofrider> mpt it's a metapackage
[02:59] <mpt> goofrider: What does that mean?
[02:59] <LinuxJones> mpt, it will install about 300 megs of desktop stuff is all :)
[02:59] <jm^> darkaudit: what does that mean?
[02:59] <goofrider> mpt, Ubuntu-desktop install all the Ubuntu base packages
[02:59] <jm^> lol!
[02:59] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should find the values automagically
[02:59] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I would google for the exact specs on that (if you haven't yet) and then there is a modeline generator tool online that will get your specs with that info and you will be good to go
[02:59] <mpt> LinuxJones: *Uninstalling* it will install about 300 MB of stuff?
[03:00] <darkaudit> jm^: in your sources.list, in the lines there it has the universe repository listed, add multiverse
[03:00] <Thirsteh> mpt, uninstalling it won't do anyhting, installing it will install alot of packages, it's like a reference to packages
[03:00] <BrettMeister> Thanks.
[03:00] <LinuxJones> mpt, oops sorry I misread, not it will not do anything major :)
[03:00] <mpt> goofrider: I want to uninstall xpdf, and Synaptic wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop too
[03:00] <goofrider> mpt, installing it will install Gnome, Firefox, Evolution, etc
[03:00] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: I ran that when I installed a new desktop monitor, and it got the values spot on right away :)
[03:00] <goofrider> mpt, but uninstalling it won't actually remove any sofware at all
[03:00] <mpt> thanks Thirsteh
[03:01] <tsume> now now, lets be easy to people and licensing arguments. krazykook is just having a few newbie farts.
[03:01] <BrettMeister> darkaudit: Anything tricky about that?  just use the command line as you gave it to me?
[03:01] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: add a sudo before dpkg-reconfigure, but yeah...
[03:02] <jerub> is the mac G5 supported by ubuntu?
[03:02] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I have a DVI LCD and SuSE puked big time with the modelines and had to do it manually but Ubuntu got it out of the box. I don't think you will have a problem
[03:02] <BrettMeister> Well guys, as we speak I AM having probs.
[03:02] <darkaudit> BrettMeister: you'll probably want to keep most values at their defaults unless you really know what they are. Most times there's no need to input anything beyond <enter> for each screen
[03:02] <jerub> the bootloaded suggests that it's supported on the live cd via linux-power4 lilo config, but that doesn't work for me.
[03:03] <jm^> darkaudit: ok, I added this:
[03:03] <jm^> deb http://.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:03] <jm^> deb-src http://.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:03] <goofrider> tsume, it's not an arguement. He had none, he had the same FUD that's debinked 5 years ago. and this is not the channel for it
[03:03] <jm^> Would it be a bad idea to att "universe"?
[03:03] <BrettMeister> The install stoped and asked me if I wanted to look at the xserver output.  What now?
[03:03] <Carlfk> goofrider, - i ph33r you
[03:03] <Carlfk> wtf...
[03:03] <darkaudit> jm^: pretty much... but you could also have just added multiverse immediately after wherever it said universe
[03:04] <goofrider> Carlfk, y r u always picking on me?
[03:04] <Carlfk> this doesnt play, it just sits untill i hit ^C: $ aplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav
[03:04] <BrettMeister> Okay...it's offering to disable the xserver until I get it configured correctly.  What now?
[03:04] <Carlfk> but itdid play when I did the "ubuntu hardware database" thing
[03:04] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: sure disable and then vi into the file and check it out
[03:04] <darkaudit> jm^: universe is IMO near-essential :)
[03:05] <Carlfk> and I do hear the "thump" when I open new apps
[03:05] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: vi?
[03:05] <jm^> Hm, I should do something like http://region.achive.ubuntu.com/... right?
[03:05] <Carlfk> jm^, yes.
[03:05] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: ooh ok, you gotta let me know how much you know
[03:05] <Tezkah> nooooo anything but vi
[03:06] <jm^> Is it countrycode.archive.?
[03:06] <darkaudit> jm^: the stock sources.list has lines for universe all set to go... they're just commented out
[03:06] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: better yet nano the file
[03:06] <jm^> darkaudit: yes, but I still need to edit the url, right?
[03:06] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Yes, I have most experience with that.
[03:06] <darkaudit> jm^: no... you should be fine
[03:06] <PeskyGee> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:06] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Not sure that I have ever used the other.
[03:06] <Carlfk> jm^, for me it is us.archive... so maybe ;)
[03:07] <darkaudit> just uncomment the appropriate lines, add multiverse to the end, and update
[03:07] <nalioth> jm^: yes unrar-nonfree
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[03:07] <nalioth> jm^ you can also go and get a precompiled rar binary from rarlabs.com
[03:07] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and get in there and adjust your monitor specs
[03:07] <jm^> Now it's working - made it http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/../
[03:07] <jm^> Thanks everyone :)
[03:07] <darkaudit> jm^: np :)
[03:07] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: I'm in now.
[03:07] <nalioth> jerub it's supported
[03:07] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: the cat must have relaxed its jaws.. ..
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: why?
[03:08] <darkaudit> goofrider: you should have seen KK's rants re: wine the other day...
[03:08] <goofrider> what did he say?
[03:08] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: "Look what the cat dragged in."
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh
[03:08] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: ok then your horiz and vert is the part you really need to get right. Also what video card you got?
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> :D
[03:08] <darkaudit> goofrider: that it was a conspiracy to stal GPL code for Microsoft
[03:09] <darkaudit> s/stal/steal
[03:09] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: On the "Monitor" part there is no horiz or vert listed.  But when I add it, what should I put?
[03:09] <goofrider> darkaudit, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
[03:09] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: you can comment out eg: # any modeline infor for now if its there
[03:09] <goofrider> darkaudit, why would anyone need to STEAL GPL code? It's alll open source!!!!
[03:09] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: what is this system you are using?
[03:09] <airox> Still discussing licenses ?
[03:10] <airox> boring
[03:10] <airox> ;)
[03:10] <krazykook> goofrider: this is what i see...and this is the way it seems like it has always been..consistently and honestly
[03:10] <krazykook>  The GPL does not require you to release your modified version.  You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them.  This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.  But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the mo
[03:10] <darkaudit> goofrider: I dunno... I think he's been reading the debian-legal list for *waaaay* too long :)
[03:10] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: It's reading the card and the depth correctly.  The documentation from Gateway is just skimpy on horiz and vert.  When I looked it up on my screen in Windows it said that horiz was 100.3 and vert was 100.3.
[03:10] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Its a Gateway Laptop but what kind?
[03:10] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: 400VTX
[03:10] <goofrider> krazykook, http://fsf.org/
[03:10] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: that can't be right
[03:11] <PeskyGee> ok hold on
[03:11] <goofrider> read the damn faq
[03:11] <krazykook> i did...i just posted it
[03:11] <goofrider> call RMS and Eric Raymond if u need to
[03:11] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Don't want a dispute here; but, yes it is.
[03:11] <jm^> Oh yeah, another problem: Under the "system" menu (gnome) -> administration -> you can pick "login screen setup". This didn't work. I tried running it from shell, and it said that it couldn't connect to display or something. So I did xhost +, as normal user, and then export DISPLAY=:0.0 as root, then it'd work when starting the program from terminal, but not from gnome menu.   It is compatible with the GNU GPL.  We recommend it for special circumstances only.
[03:13] <goofrider> :-X
[03:13] <LinuxJones> krazykook, stop spamming the channel please
[03:13] <krazykook> goofrider: and you can see compatible with GPL as well as anyone
[03:13] <goofrider> It's off-topic. stop. we're here to help ppl
[03:14] <goofrider> i'll be back. Gotta take a break
[03:14] <krazykook> goofrider: that is what we are trying to do....trying to get firefox, glom postgres and a couple of other things running...and GNU makes it clear that we are bound by GNU not the other licenses
[03:14] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here bookmark this: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/400VTX/3501331ivr17.shtml
[03:15] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here bookmark this too: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/400VTX/3501331sp47.shtml
[03:15] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay...I looked at that very page and I didn't see any horiz and ver ranges listed.  Do you?
[03:15] <jerub> nalioth: I have a copy of the 5.04 cd, and while it boots, the video output doesn't work
[03:15] <jm^> oh, and, when trying to apt-get install mplayer-386 it tells me it depends on things that aren't installable. (like libdirectfb, libggi2, etc)
[03:16] <jm^> any ideas?
[03:16] <brokenladder> IS THERE any way to lower the fan speed of my computer?  it's one of those small form factors.  it's way too loud.
[03:16] <jerub> nalioth: the cursor displays fine, but the image is completely broken
[03:16] <nalioth> jerub, i'm not fortunate enough to run a G5, hoary works great on my G3 and G4 ibooks
[03:16] <brokenladder> on my last box, i just put resistors in line with the fans, but this fan is inside the power supply
[03:16] <brokenladder> why buy mac hardware to put linux on it?
[03:16] <brokenladder> seems like a waste of money.
[03:16] <nalioth> jerub perhaps some of these others can suggest command line parameters to pass to the kernel
[03:16] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: no becuase they assume you are using WinBloze
[03:17] <nalioth> brokenladder: because
[03:17] <brokenladder> get twice as much power for the money with pc hardware.
[03:17] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: I'm looking give me a min
[03:17] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Thanks!
[03:17] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Me, too.  Just don't see it.
[03:17] <nalioth> brokenladder: let us not start a x86 vs ppc ramble
[03:17] <brokenladder> well the choice is obvious.
[03:17] <nalioth> we use what we have
[03:17] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, I think you can buy a gadget that uses phase cancellation to help cut down on fan noise, search google or alternatively move your computer to another room or but a new power supply :D
[03:17] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Here is what your screen section should look like: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2003-November/019998.html
[03:18] <brokenladder> the only reason to buy a mac would be if you liked osx a lot.  if you don't even use osx, no reason to buy expensive hardware.
[03:18] <nalioth> brokenladder: noted
[03:18] <brokenladder> it does look pretty cool though.  i think the mac mini is sweet.
[03:18] <brokenladder> i almost bought one.
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: ppc aritechture in awesome
[03:19] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Do you know what video card it is?
[03:19] <brokenladder> yes it is.
[03:19] <brokenladder> but overpriced.
[03:19] <nalioth> brokenladder: mac mini + fm transmitter = cartoy extraordinaire
[03:19] <brokenladder> for the same money you'll get much more performance from x86
[03:19] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: sudo lspci
[03:19] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay....I'm reading this last page that you gave me.  BRB
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: yea
[03:20] <jorge__> Does anybody know about any Ubuntu tutorials other than "Ubuntu How Come" (I've already done that one)?
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: but falling
[03:20] <brokenladder> the mac gui is pretty but not very functionally well put together.  the dock is terrible.
[03:20] <krg> How fast the hardware executes instructions is unimportant to me if I can't do the work I want to do how I want to do it.
[03:20] <brokenladder> umm..okay.
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: i like the dock idea but os x is not as powerfull as people speak of
[03:20] <brokenladder> that would seem to be more an issue of os than hardware platform.
[03:20] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, they have alot of great multimedia/composing stuff though that doesn't exist on Linux.
[03:20] <krg> Yes.
[03:20] <krg> Which is why I need Mac OS X.
[03:21] <brokenladder> like what?
[03:21] <krg> Sibelius, GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD.
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: no
[03:21] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, final Cut Pro 5
[03:21] <krg> I kinda need those.
[03:21] <brokenladder> oh no..i know what you mean.  like final cut pro.  I used to do final cut pro for a living.
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: you are an artist do you do your stuff on linux?
[03:21] <LinuxJones> brokenladder, cool
[03:21] <brokenladder> i will be.
[03:21] <brokenladder> i'll be using ardour.
[03:21] <brokenladder> i just got this new system set up.
[03:21] <metalsand> does anyone know the gnome panel editor program?
[03:22] <brokenladder> well..it's not really set up yet.  i'm still transferring old settings and stuff from my hald hd.
[03:22] <brokenladder> old hd
[03:22] <brokenladder> metalsand, i think you have to do stuff like that command line.
[03:22] <LinuxJones> metalsand, right click the panel then properties
[03:22] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Try this: HorizSync    31.5 - 82.0 and the: VertRefresh  60.0 - 90.0\
[03:22] <Linforcer> wasssaaaaaaap ubuntu People
[03:22] <brokenladder> it's terrible how apps in the panel are named like "text editor" instead of "gedit" with the comment being "text editor".  You can change it, but it will be overwritten the next time you upgrade.
[03:23] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay.
[03:23] <LinuxJones> Linforcer, hiya
[03:23] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: loose the \ at the end of the 90.0
[03:23] <Tezkah> KDE does it okay
[03:23] <jm^> Ok... has anyone been able to install mplayer-386 recently?
[03:23] <brokenladder> kde is atrocious.
[03:23] <metalsand> Bleh. No one knows? I guess I'll just have to browse synaptic
[03:23] <Tezkah> Media Player (amaroK)
[03:23] <jorge__> What's going on in Zandvort?
[03:23] <brokenladder> it does do some things better than gnome ,but it is so ugly.
[03:23] <Linforcer> LinuxJones yooo
[03:23] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: do a sudo init 3 and the sudo init 5 afterward
[03:23] <Tezkah> Music Player (JuK)
[03:23] <Tezkah> oh, weird, I feel the opposite
[03:23] <Linforcer> what's eating all you penginloverzzz
[03:23] <Linforcer> xD
[03:23] <Tezkah> not that GNOME is ugly, just too plain for me
[03:23] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: What do those do?
[03:23] <Tezkah> i like both though
[03:23] <metalsand> Plain is stylish ;)
[03:24] <brokenladder> I like being able to use kde apps in gnome when i like.  freedesktop standards are a good thing.
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: If it says kdm is running then reboot the sucker  :-)
[03:24] <brokenladder> personally, i think there needs to be something analogous to free desktop for linux distros.  so that they all use the same settings files and such.
[03:24] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: yes i use xfce and run kde games and gtk
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: init 3 closes out of the GUI stage and init 5 puts you back in
[03:24] <brokenladder> the linux "market" needs to be unfragmented.
[03:24] <Chambers-> whats the root password for the live cd?
[03:24] <brokenladder> just set one
[03:24] <brokenladder> sudo passwd or whatever
[03:24] <metalsand> Chamers_: The password you set for your account
[03:24] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: re-init of the xorg.conf file
[03:25] <Chambers-> metalsand: i'm using the live cd, i never set a password
[03:25] <Linforcer> brokenladder it's power is that there's something for everyone, which will always lead to segmentation
[03:25] <brokenladder> i had hell getting my monitor to do normal resolution yesterday when i first installed.  i don't even really know exactly how i finally fixed it.
[03:25] <shark>
[03:25] <brokenladder> but if you standardize certain things, i think it would help linux.
[03:25] <Linforcer> brokenladder either way, maybe you should check out Unitud Linux then
[03:26] <Linforcer> brokenladdec, I guess
[03:26] <brokenladder> make it so that libraries are always in some set place.  make it so that the installation systems obey standards.
[03:26] <krg> But!
[03:26] <krg> Standards remove choice!
[03:26] <xfSx> any1 got any idea why my screensavers won't grab the desktop image?
[03:26] <brokenladder> i don't have time to.  i just like to complain.
[03:26] <Linforcer> excactly
[03:26] <Linforcer> like
[03:26] <Linforcer> in Ubuntu GNOME is the standard
[03:26] <Linforcer> because ppl didnt like that there came Kubuntu
[03:26] <MuStR> pf
[03:27] <MuStR> gnome pwns
[03:27] <Linforcer> yeah
[03:27] <Linforcer> that's hardly the point
[03:27] <brokenladder> okay, i'm going to put my computer on top of my subwoofer on my floor, so it will be beneath my desk and shield a lot of the noise (since i'm going to be using it for home recording)  any chance this might hurt anything?
[03:27] <MuStR> no one is restricted to a certain window manager though...
[03:27] <brokenladder> exactly.
[03:27] <Linforcer> the point is Linux pwnz for letting poeple choose
[03:27] <MuStR> I mean, on my comp I have gnome, KDE, fluxbox, and xfce installed
[03:27] <brokenladder> you can choose and still have standards.
[03:27] <MuStR> haha
[03:27] <MuStR> yeah
[03:28] <brokenladder> for instance, i can choose which wireless carrier i want, but i can use any of them to call friends using any other carrier.
[03:28] <elcu> xfSx: have you installed your graphics driver?
[03:28] <MuStR> speaking of which, do you know how to change the default window manager?
[03:28] <PeskyGee> Where is cifs.mount located in Ubuntu?
[03:28] <elcu> xfSx: i'm not certain, but that might be it
[03:28] <brokenladder> does anyone think it would hurt my sff computer to put it on top of my subwoofer?
[03:28] <mebaran151> my mplayer refuses to use -vo null
[03:28] <mebaran151> what might I do
[03:28] <Tezkah> might, if it kept getting bounced
[03:28] <Tezkah> hard drives et al
[03:29] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gnome-wm
[03:29] <mebaran151> why wouldnt -vo null work
[03:29] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: How do I reboot from the command line?
[03:29] <brokenladder> type reboot
[03:29] <LinuxJones> BrettMeister, shutdown -r now
[03:29] <brokenladder> or "sudo reboot"
[03:30] <brokenladder> or shutdown -h now
[03:30] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I want to change the default GDM session
[03:30] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gdm-setup
[03:30] <LinuxJones> MuStR, sorry sudo gdm-setup
[03:30] <nalioth> BrettMeister:
[03:30] <nalioth> BrettMeister: 'shutdown -r now"
[03:30] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: reboot or shutdoen -r now
[03:30] <nalioth> brokenladder: -h is 'halt'
[03:31] <LinuxJones> MuStR, argh man , you can select session from the gdm main window
[03:31] <nalioth> brokenladder: -r is reboot
[03:31] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: shutdown -r now I mean
[03:31] <MuStR> LinuxJones: sudo: gdm-setup: command not found
[03:31] <BrettMeister> Got it folks.  Thanks for your help so far.
[03:31] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: np
[03:31] <MuStR> lol
[03:31] <MuStR> I know I can, but I want to set one as default.
[03:31] <CarlK> what log file can I tail -f to see ssh connections?
[03:31] <brokenladder> brb
[03:32] <IcemanV9> MuStR: log out. look for the word 'session' just under the dialog box .. there are list of wm that you can choose
[03:32] <LinuxJones> MuStR, if you want to load say kde you can just logout and under session at the bottom of the gdm login screen or you can set it by typing sudo gdm-setup not sudo: gdmsetup :)
[03:32] <PeskyGee> I would like a user to mount/umount a SMB share. how are most people doing it in Ubuntu?
[03:32] <RedNeck_> How many partions and how big do they need to be to install Ubuntu, I would like to manually partion my Hard Drive?
[03:32] <MuStR> ...............
[03:32] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - 15 or so is good
[03:32] <LinuxJones> MuStR, gdm will ask you if you want to make the change permenantly
[03:33] <CarlK> RedNeck_ and about 3 gig each
[03:33] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I did that, but since I uninstalled and reinstalled gnome, it thinks xfce is my default wm. I want to change that back to gnome.
[03:33] <LinuxJones> PeskyGee, have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <MuStR> LinuxJones: gdm-setup is not valid, I just tried that.
[03:33] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - after a few months of trying to work with that mess, you will see the pros/cons of partitioning
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, select gnome under session and it will ask you if you want to make gnome the default
[03:34] <MuStR> ......
[03:34] <MuStR> No, it will not.
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, dude
[03:34] <IcemanV9> MuStR: yes. it will.
[03:34] <mebaran151> how do I enable my rtc
[03:34] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - or let the installer do it
[03:34] <RedNeck_> I got an 80 gigs hard drive and I dont want to use all
[03:34] <LinuxJones> MuStR, open a terminal and type apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <MuStR> It did before. I set gnome as default. I uninstalled, and reinstalled gnome. It now sees xfce as default. It doesn't give me the option to change default.
[03:34] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Okay.  Well, at least I was able to get the xserver up and get into gnome.  But, here's the prob as it has been on this laptop all along.  It needs to be at a finer resolution than 800 x 600.  Your idea about the last range was a good idea.
[03:34] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - why not?
[03:35] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: Should I get into config and try a larger range?
[03:35] <RedNeck_> I need to install windows
[03:35] <BrettMeister> PeskyGee: horiz and vert?
[03:35] <carthik_away> Is there an ubuntu blog somewhere, besides the planet?
[03:35] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - you are better off installing win first, then Linux
[03:35] <carthik_away> you know, read the news, catch up sort of blog?
[03:36] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - the ubuntu installer will even shrink an NTFS partition - it is pretty cool
[03:36] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: Your video card can do 1024x768. So in the screen section put that in front of 800x600
[03:36] <metalsand> What's the IRSSI command to leave a channel/nick tab?
[03:36] <CarlK> RedNeck_ - and that way the Ubuntu installer will setup grub to muti boot, something the Win installer will never do
[03:36] <PeskyGee> BrettMeister: do a ctrl  alt f1 and then init 3, init 5 and see
[03:38] <elcu> metalsand: /help part
[03:38] <RedNeck_> CarlK it will but for other windows only
[03:38] <elcu> whoops
[03:38] <MuStR> LinuxJones: that did nothing.
[03:38] <MuStR> LinuxJones: I'm simply looking for a config file I can edit. I can tell you that gdm.conf is not it, so do you know of any others?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> MuStR, that didn't install any software ?
[03:39] <MuStR> Nope.
[03:39] <MuStR> I told you, I recently re-installed gnome.
[03:39] <MuStR> aka gnome-desktop.
[03:39] <elcu> metalsand: have you tried /part ?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> MuStR, no install ubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <MuStR> bah
[03:39] <MuStR> that is what I meant
[03:39] <metalsand> elec: That doesn't leave a query
[03:40] <MuStR> Regardless, I copy/pasted what you wrote in the channel; it did nothing.
[03:40] <eventide> mutt seems to be stripping my signature prior to sending email...?
[03:40] <jm^> Any ideas why mplayer wont show a picture? I don't get any errors, the file i'm playing just doesn't appear on screen
[03:40] <LinuxJones> MuStR, ok type apt-get --purge remove gdm && apt-get install gdm
[03:40] <mebaran151> can evolution sync with a Nokia 6600
[03:40] <mebaran151> where can I find the lsit of phone that can sink with Evolution
[03:40] <MuStR> hm, makes sense.
[03:41] <krazykook> goofrider: i am going to summarize this whole issue with one simple page so everyone can understand clearly which apparently you don't........note that if you use these products on a gnu system...you are bound by gnu..period.
[03:41] <LinuxJones> MuStR, it should remove your borked config file and re-install and find all of your installed WM/DM's
[03:41] <krazykook> https://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
[03:41] <JDahl> I just read on slashdot that Ubuntu is working with HP Europe to provide a tailored version of Ubuntu that works 100% on selected HP notebooks... not available in the US, though
[03:42] <LinuxJones> krazykook, you were asked several times to drop the gpl thing... please stop spamming the channel it is off-topic
[03:43] <krazykook> LinuxJones: how is it off-topic when we are trying to get stuff working on ubuntu
[03:43] <MuStR> krazykook: have you ever watched RevolutionOS?
[03:43] <MuStR> it's a movie.
[03:44] <krazykook> MuStR: no...i never have time to watch any movies
[03:44] <krazykook> MuStR: except the free one that was of interest because it was free
[03:44] <MuStR> krazykook: take some of your precious time and watch RevolutionOS.
[03:44] <MuStR> It's worth it.
[03:44] <[nubious] > is anyone here familiar with the TSPC ipv6 tunneling client?
[03:44] <MuStR> brb
[03:44] <metalsand> Anone know how to remove the topic thing from IRSII?
[03:45] <metalsand> IRSSI*
[03:46] <mebaran151> how do I add echo 1024 >> /proc/dev/rtc/max_usr-frew
[03:46] <mebaran151> how do I add echo 1024 >> /proc/dev/rtc/max_usr-freq
[03:46] <LinuxJones> krazykook, because this is a technical help channel not a gpl help channel. Check out www.fsf.org and look for an irc channel to ask your questions you will be well informed from those guys. Please this is not the place for your questions.
[03:46] <mebaran151> to my init scripts
[03:46] <elcu> metalsand: /STATUSBAR info DISABLE maybe?
[03:46] <cory> Hello everyone. How are you today?
[03:47] <metalsand> elcu: /part doesn't leave a query, btw... Lik with another user
[03:47] <mebaran151> which init script do I edit
[03:47] <nalioth> great! cory, and you?
[03:47] <elcu> metalsand: not sure then.  i use xchat
[03:47] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: use only one ">", not two ">>"
[03:48] <cory> good thanks.. :) brb
[03:48] <mebaran151> ok
[03:48] <mebaran151> but to which?
[03:48] <count0nz> ok lets look
[03:48] <mebaran151> I need to know the correct init script to use to enable my rtc for use by mplayer
[03:49] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: i just corrected the syntax .. that's all. i don't know which file
[03:49] <Nivex> I am trying to migrate from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu Hoary.  Thunderbird is not picking up my settings.  I've tried moving .thunderbird to .mozilla-thunderbird, but I get no folder list or messages.  Suggestions?
[03:49] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: let me check ..
[03:49] <mebaran151> could I use sysctl.conf
[03:49] <Chambers-> do ati cards play nice with ubuntu?  Meaning the 3d drivers?
[03:49] <mebaran151> ti looks like the right one
[03:49] <mebaran151> as it is trying to set that sort of variable
[03:49] <jm^> mebaran151: are you also having trouble using mplayer?
[03:49] <elcu> Chambers-: my 9600 pro works fine.
[03:50] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:50] <PeskyGee> brb
[03:50] <IcemanV9> mebaran151: it doesn't exist on my box. sorry.
[03:50] <metalsand> Cab oo open Microsoft word documents?
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> yea
[03:50] <jm^> mebaran151: I can't play a movie
[03:50] <Chambers-> elcu: and xv works along with 3d acceleration?
[03:50] <BrettMeister> darkaudit & PeskyGee:  I've commented out every subsection of the screen but the one that I want to force it.  What should I put for horiz and vert?
[03:50] <mebaran151> IcemanV9, check /etc/sysctl.conf
[03:50] <mebaran151> oh mine halts my machine
[03:50] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: can you pm me?
[03:50] <mebaran151> I get in the syslog
[03:50] <mebaran151> losing ticks
[03:50] <mebaran151> and then lost lots of ticks
[03:50] <metalsand> Ahhhh... Can word open open office files?
[03:50] <mebaran151> and then halt
[03:50] <kakalto> is there any reported ubuntu bugs to do with clearing cache in firefox?
[03:51] <jm^> mebaran151: ah. I get no errors, but it just wont show an image
[03:51] <mebaran151> metalsand, you shouldnt smoke such strong stuff
[03:51] <elcu> Chambers-: xv? (sorry, still a bit of a newbie)
[03:51] <mebaran151> jm^, try setting -vo X11
[03:51] <mebaran151> like this
[03:51] <Chambers-> xv is used with mplayer on how it plays movies
[03:51] <mebaran151> mplayer moviename
[03:51] <krazykook> LinuxJones: i don't see how you can separate ubuntu-legal from ubuntu-technical....nor do i see the separate channel....but anyway i think i have posted succinctly the relevant material...so everyone can understand
[03:51] <mebaran151> -vo xv
[03:51] <IcemanV9> mebaran151, jm^ : are you using it with firefox or standalone??
[03:51] <metalsand> No point in me having Open Office, then. :( I don't have a printer, I alwyas have my friends print stuff for me
[03:51] <jm^> IcemanV9: standalone
[03:51] <mebaran151> standalone
[03:51] <mebaran151> my problem is different
[03:51] <Chambers-> if xv isn't working correclty and you play a movie in mplayer you can't streth the image (meaning dsouble sixe it and so on)
[03:51] <mebaran151> mplayer plays
[03:51] <IcemanV9> ah. k.
[03:52] <mebaran151> but it halts the machine
[03:52] <mebaran151> if I give it some heavy heavy load
[03:52] <mebaran151> it is the most interesting kernel error ever
[03:52] <jm^> Chambers-: if i try play a movie with -vo x11 I just get here: alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[03:53] <jm^> Chambers-: but no picture
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Hey folks, what's a reasonable number for % of cpu usage by xorg?
[03:53] <ahuxley> hi all
[03:53] <saber_> flyr: depends on what you're doing
[03:53] <cory> I am having a strange Linux problem that thought perhaps someone from this channel could help me with.. I am on Hoary Ubuntu.
[03:53] <mebaran151> May 14 17:01:23 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed.
[03:53] <cory> Can anyone please help?
[03:53] <metalsand> IFRFLYR: I have 0%-1%
[03:53] <bur[n] e1> cory: ask man
[03:53] <Chambers-> jm^: you happen to have an ATI card?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Actually just running thunderbird, gnome, this gaim, firefox...That's about it. . .
[03:53] <ahuxley> Just reading on slashdot.org about HP and Ubuntu
[03:53] <eventide> IFRFLYR: depends on cpu?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Rght now I am looking at 5.0%
[03:53] <ahuxley> is there any more info?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> allthe way to 7%
[03:54] <jm^> Chambers-: to be honest, I don't know. I just got this laptop. Lemme see if dmesg tells me anything
[03:54] <saber_> that's pretty reasonable
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> saber_ that was for ifr?
[03:54] <ahuxley> http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html
[03:54] <saber_> that was for you
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> Thanks so much
[03:54] <Chambers-> i'm a bit of a debian newb, but how do you install programs?  Like I want to install the latest opera, is it easy?  With Suse I just ran the rpm
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> Nice reality check
[03:54] <elcu> Chambers-: sorry, don't know much about that.  but i do have 3d support in games etc.  you can follow these driver install instructions if you wish to go through with it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <LinuxJones> krazykook, goto #ubuntu-devel that's the Ubuntu developers channel ask your question there and you will probably get some input...be advised it's a developers channel so ask nicely :)
[03:54] <elcu> Chambers-: sudo apt-get install opera
[03:54] <cory> I've just inserted a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless adapter which is, according to ubuntu.com, supposed to work out-of-the-box.  The problem is my device manager detects it, but I can't see it with iwconfig or any other form of wireless checking.
[03:54] <bur[n] e1> Chambers-: www.ubuntuguide.org  get the opera .deb and dpki -i package.deb
[03:54] <Chambers-> wow..that's easy :)
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> opera isn't in the repository
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> afaik
[03:55] <elcu> Chambers-: good references are ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> Chambers-: also check the faq
[03:55] <elcu> bur[n] e1: it's not?
[03:55] <nekohayo> anyone know if a fix for gnome's too simple print dialog is planned for 2.12?
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> i didn't think so
[03:55] <mebaran151> May 14 16:28:20 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[03:55] <mebaran151> May 14 16:28:20 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[03:55] <cory> Does anyone know why I'm having this problem. . I am certain the adapter works because Windows recognizes and uses it fine..
[03:55] <mebaran151> how do I fix this
[03:55] <bur[n] e1> nekohayo: good question
[03:55] <Chambers-> awesome, i'm pretty excited.  I ran the live cd on my laptop and really like the cleanliness of it.  I used to like kde but now I'm thinking it may be too bloated, gnome is a refreshing change :)
[03:55] <mebaran151> it seems to be caused by mencoder
[03:56] <IFRFLYR> Has anyone noticed slowness or difficulties with the latest 1.02 ubuntu firefox?
[03:56] <mebaran151> it causes my computer to halt very hard
[03:56] <bur[n] e1> has anyone connected to windows xp computer that shares a printer?
[03:56] <nekohayo> bur[n] e1, am I the only one thinking that it NEEDS color/quality/size management? :) do you have an idea where the gnome RFEs are sitting?
[03:56] <jm^> Sight. dmesg is full of errors
[03:56] <IFRFLYR> chambers-: http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[03:56] <bur[n] e1> my printer gets a "lowlevel document" on the windows side from my box, but doesn't start printing.... hangs on spooling everytime
[03:56] <jm^> I'm really starting to dislike ubuntu
[03:56] <Chambers-> cedega work ok?
[03:57] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: what i noticed is that when i switched to firefox 1.03....it broke the whole gnome system and said missing DSO at fff0eee1....which is very obvious like MS
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> It speaks highly of you jm^
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> ;)
[03:57] <IFRFLYR> Hmmm.
[03:57] <bur[n] e1> seems ok
[03:57] <jm^> IFRFLYR: hehe. It installed -alot- of stuff I don't need/want
[03:57] <IcemanV9> jm^: just because of mplayer??
[03:57] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: like everyone is supposed to know what DSO is missing at 0xfffleee1
[03:57] <mebaran151> so how do I echo 1024 to my init scripts in ubuntu
[03:57] <mebaran151> I think a good rtc might fix this
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> Yeah, the personalization is a bit MS-ish. You can apt-get --purge remove stuff you don't want. Or go for gentoo!
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> :)
[03:58] <krazykook> IFRFLYR: and when i put the old 1.02 version back the missing DSO went away.....go figure
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> Hmm. THanks krazykook!
[03:58] <kanuha> I installed firefox 1.04 with no problems
[03:58] <IFRFLYR> from which repo kanuha?
[03:58] <kanuha> I'm also using KDE
[03:58] <kakalto> does anyone know of problems with cache in opera?
[03:58] <bur[n] e1> can someone do me a favor and try to run "vncviewer -listen" from within gnome... i get errors about a font, but it works fine in XFCE
[03:58] <jm^> IFRFLYR: yeah.. been using gentoo on workstations, and freebsd on servers till now.. wanted to try something else.. but tbh I think I'm going to go back to gentoo
[03:58] <mebaran151> I may as well
[03:58] <kanuha> no repo, from the firefox site
[03:58] <mebaran151> it seems a tad harder
[03:59] <mebaran151> but somethings JUST WORK
[03:59] <mebaran151> just one question on Gentoo
[03:59] <mebaran151> if the system freezes in the middle of a compile of a large package
[03:59] <IFRFLYR> You and me both jm^ - I'm running gentoo server and used this for the lappy; now I'm making lappy dual boot gentoo/ubuntu
[03:59] <mebaran151> that contains many sub packages
[03:59] <mebaran151> like gnome
[03:59] <IFRFLYR> kanuha, thanks.
[03:59] <mebaran151> do you have to start all over or is it smart enough to figure out where it cracked
[03:59] <kanuha> np
[03:59] <jm^> IFRFLYR: ah, I see
[04:00] <krazykook> LinuxJones: it was never a question...it was a statement....we can't abide by all these other crazy incompatible licenses if we compile the code on a GNU/LInux system...period
[04:00] <jm^> Well. I'm going to go to bed now... will install Gentoo on this in the morning.
[04:00] <goofrider> mebaran151, googgle about gnu make and incremental compilation
[04:00] <jm^> Night all :)
[04:00] <IFRFLYR> night jm*
[04:00] <mebaran151> ok
[04:00] <mebaran151> but I would prefer jsut to FIX mplayer
[04:00] <mebaran151> rather than build anew
[04:00] <mebaran151> I like the layout of debian
[04:00] <PeskyGee> back  :-)
[04:00] <mebaran151> and most 64 bit pkgs are compiled with everything I need in them
[04:00] <goofrider> mebaran151, r u the one who's compiling mplayer in Ubuntu?
[04:00] <mebaran151> sse2 etc
[04:00] <mebaran151> I had to
[04:01] <krazykook> LinuxJones: and i have given you the relevant documentation regarding the statement....
[04:01] <mebaran151> mine was kind of broken
[04:01] <goofrider> becasue..?
[04:01] <mebaran151> it wont -vo null
[04:01] <mebaran151> it fails to initialize -vo null
[04:01] <mebaran151> and alot of scripts I used in encoding
[04:01] <mebaran151> require me to have -vo null availalbe
[04:01] <mebaran151> but the standard version seems not be able to do it
[04:02] <goofrider> mebaran151, u should apt-get source mplayer-686
[04:02] <kakalto> could someone please tell me if my site displays correctly under firefox or opera? http://ojsoft.swifthost.net/ - I'm unsure if it's a problem with my firefox/opera or a problem with ubuntu firefox/opera
[04:02] <kakalto> all I see is shades of gray
[04:02] <kakalto> but that's not proper
[04:02] <goofrider> mebaran151, make your mods... create a diff file for yourself if u want.. then make a custom deb out of it
[04:02] <mebaran151> oh
[04:02] <mebaran151> I just used the mplayer way of making a deb
[04:02] <LinuxJones> krazykook, dude your legal problems are your own, there other Operating Systems other than Linux if it's licensing doesn't fit your needs.
[04:03] <mebaran151> not sure why it cant use dev null
[04:03] <[freebsd> When installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu, when copying files, the installation always stops at either 19%, 31%, 40%, or 50%. Any ideas?
[04:03] <mebaran151> it usually works
[04:03] <krazykook> LinuxJones: there are plenty of OS's . I could name a long list...but it is not my legal problems i am concerned with...it is Ubuntu's
[04:03] <goofrider> mebaran151, I doubt the Ubuntu package is broken, u should search the forums tosee if it's a known issue
[04:03] <mebaran151> null is usually a standby for anything
[04:03] <mebaran151> I should
[04:03] <mebaran151> but it was less work to make and compile
[04:04] <mebaran151> Ubuntu takes a very log time to fix unsupported pkgs
[04:04] <mebaran151> and I understand why
[04:04] <goofrider> mebaran151, universe is maintained by the community, i.e. you ad me
[04:04] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:04] <LinuxJones> krazykook, how is Ubuntu's licensing different from any other Linux distro ?
[04:04] <mebaran151> that is why some fixes take awhile
[04:04] <count0nz> just installed 2 copys of ubantu 5.04 ;) no probs P3 733 and Duron 1600 oc 1800
[04:04] <goofrider> mebaran151, if it's a known issue, download the source by apt-get source, patch it, and submit the patch to malone
[04:05] <goofrider> LinuxJones, pls don't feed the trolls
[04:05] <krazykook> LinuxJones: all the distros have the same problem...not just ubuntu...they need to let people know that all the other licenses are inapplicable once they choose to install a program on a GNU/Linux system...regardless of distro
[04:05] <Burgundavia> goofrider, please turn off your away/return messages
[04:05] <mebaran151> the problem is I cant compile everything in
[04:05] <[freebsd> When installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu, when copying files, the installation always stops at either 19%, 31%, 40%, or 50%. Any ideas?
[04:06] <mebaran151> that needs to be compiled in
[04:06] <goofrider> Burgundavia, sure my bad
[04:06] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: it had happened to me before on my laptop .. i just simply turned off apic
[04:06] <Burgundavia> goofrider, cheers, thnaks
[04:06] <krazykook> LinuxJones: if any of that software makes calls to the gnu system....they are bound by GNU....not any other irrelevant license.
[04:06] <[freebsd> Iceman, specifically do what?
[04:06] <metalsand`hitchh> BLeh.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> goofrider, I have been having a few drinks and can't help myself :D
[04:06] <LinuxJones> krazykook, use bsd then
[04:06] <count0nz> anyone got a working Quickcam driver that can be easyly installed useing apt-get :) (i am thinking of repacking some drivers but don't want to redo someone elses work)
[04:06] <metalsand`hitchh> Going to see hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
[04:06] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: it'll turn off apic to allow ubuntu to be installed
[04:07] <goofrider> LinuxJones, LOL
[04:07] <LinuxJones> krazykook, or even worse install Windows XP and see if you like that bag of poison even better !!
[04:08] <[freebsd> Ice, IT will, or how do I?
[04:08] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: when install CD boots up, just type 'boot apic=off'
[04:08] <mebaran151> how do I set ioctl to set a proc value on boot
[04:09] <[freebsd> k, ty!
[04:09] <goofrider> mebaran151, dude u use Gentoo for way too long
[04:09] <mebaran151> well
[04:09] <PeskyGee> I know how to disable services but how do I know the name of the service to disable? where are they located. eg LVM etc....
[04:09] <mebaran151> I need to set ioctl for mplayer
[04:10] <mebaran151> I want to set the rtc to have a max-user-freq of 1024
[04:10] <IcemanV9> [freebsd: r u still using fbsd or just curious about ubuntu? i have been using bsd since 2.2.6. ubuntu is my 1st one that i actually use linux.
[04:10] <mebaran151> I could echo 1024 > rtcdevicestring
[04:10] <mebaran151> or I could ioctl it
[04:10] <mebaran151> if someone would tell me either way
[04:10] <mebaran151> I would be happy
[04:10] <goofrider> mebaran151, well if u really need to tweak everything, than u should go back to Gentoo, that's what it's for
[04:10] <mebaran151> I dont need to tweak EVERYTHING
[04:10] <mebaran151> just ONE thing
[04:10] <goofrider> LMAO
[04:10] <mebaran151> all I need is to know the init script
[04:11] <mebaran151> that can do that
[04:11] <mebaran151> running mplayer as root is silly
[04:11] <goofrider> mebaran151, well if no-one here can anwer your question, check the Debian manuals
[04:11] <gpierce> hello
[04:11] <goofrider> mebaran151, specifically Debian Policy and Debian Kernel manual
[04:12] <goofrider> mebaran151, they should have the info u need
[04:12] <mebaran151> oy
[04:12] <mebaran151> I hate doing that
[04:12] <mebaran151> that is just ... painful
[04:12] <mebaran151> no plot interest WHATSOEVER
[04:13] <goofrider> mebaran151, if u wanna to do internal tweaks, u need to be prepared to RTFM. It's not unreasonable