[00:02] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Totally unsure >_<
[00:02] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: I'll find that out...
[00:04] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Also, I'm going to have to have a look at getting us a Qt slideshow that isn't completely Kubuntu branded >_<
[00:04] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: s/slideshow/ubiquity/
[00:05] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: Qt shouldn't mean that the slideshow is kubuntu branded
[00:07] <cyphermox> in any case, that would be in ubiquity
[00:08] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Hm, let's see which packages are in the seed for lubuntu-next live...
[00:09] <cyphermox> bbl, it's an ice cream break.
[00:11] <tsimonq2> !info ubiquity-frontend-kde
[00:11] <tsimonq2> Ah, ok, so it is part of ubiquity. Got it.
[00:12] <ahoneybun> yep tsimonq2
[00:12] <ahoneybun> blaze and I fixed it a release or two ago
[00:13] <ahoneybun> when PyQt4 dropped webkit
[00:13] <ahoneybun> so we moved it to PyQt5
[00:13] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Mind if I fork?
[00:13] <ahoneybun> it's not mine
[00:13] <ahoneybun> fork what?
[00:13] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Or maybe move to a common base that Kubuntu and Lubuntu Next can just share?
[00:13] <tsimonq2> The Qt part of the ubiquity frontend.
[00:13] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure what you mean
[00:13] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[00:13] <tsimonq2> Yeah :)
[00:14] <ahoneybun> fork it I guess
[00:14] <ahoneybun> but ubiquity provides the main UI on the side with the progress
[00:14] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[00:14] <ahoneybun> the progress bar on the bottom is that -kde frontend
[00:14] <ahoneybun> the slides are ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[00:15] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Are there KDE Frameworks libraries used?
[00:15] <tsimonq2> Oh, doesn't look like it?
[00:15] <tsimonq2> In that case we can make something work.
[00:16] <ahoneybun> it's just python I think
[00:16] <tsimonq2> Yay!
[00:16] <ahoneybun>  /ubiquity/artful/ubiquity/frontend
[00:17] <ahoneybun> kep
[00:17] <ahoneybun> kde_ui.py
[00:17] <tsimonq2> Oh bah, there is KDE frameworks in there...
[00:17] <tsimonq2> Ugh
[00:17] <ahoneybun> where?
[00:17] <tsimonq2> from ubiquity.frontend.kde_components import ProgressDialog
[00:17] <tsimonq2> from ubiquity.frontend.kde_components.Breadcrumb import Breadcrumb
[00:17] <tsimonq2> from ubiquity.frontend.kde_components import qssutils
[00:17] <tsimonq2> In kde_ui.py
[00:17] <ahoneybun> most likely KDE4 stuff
[00:18] <ahoneybun> nah
[00:18] <ahoneybun> Qt5 now
[00:18] <ahoneybun> I mean you should just need to hook inot the kde qt frontend
[00:19] <tsimonq2> I'll try getting a minimal LXD container and just installing that package and seeing what mess it pulls in.
[00:19] <tsimonq2> If it pulls in three quarters of all KDE Frameworks then I'm noping out and rewriting it :P
[00:19] <ahoneybun> well the frameworks should be small now
[00:20] <ahoneybun> well in small pieces lol
[00:20] <ahoneybun> just be happy your not the first Qt based distro tsimonq2
[00:20] <ahoneybun> then it would be worse
[00:20] <tsimonq2> Yeah lol
[00:21]  * ahoneybun has a new domain
[00:22] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:22] <ahoneybun> and they gave me a long IP for this new linode
[00:22] <ahoneybun> damn it
[00:23] <ahoneybun> I want an .xyz domain
[01:03] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: all you really should have to do is remove obvious branding that is directly in ubiquity for the "KDE UI" which is really just a pretty standard Qt GUI, and in doing so no fork but just making things customizable (there should be plenty of examples of generic stuff in the Gtk sections)
[01:04] <cyphermox> also, might I suggest not using the Qt GUI if possible, unless you plan on spending a lot of time on it, it's definitely not as well tested as the rest (fewer users, it needs some work for other issues that were noticed)
[01:05] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Then what would we use if not the Qt GUI?
[01:05] <tsimonq2> I don't want to include a bunch of GTK libraries just to run Ubiquity...
[01:05] <cyphermox> I mean, it's *important* that it works, for whomever wants to use it, but there are few people looking at ubiquity regularly... and by few I mean mostly just me, maybe xnox, and possibly infinity?
[01:06] <cyphermox> if you have time to hack on the Qt GUI to make it real solid, by all means :)
[01:06] <xnox> yes, i do.
[01:06] <cyphermox> xnox: yeah, but it's not your main focus
[01:06] <xnox> tsimonq2, did you fall into the trap of not specifying which frontend you want?
[01:06] <cyphermox> xnox: no, they actually want Qt.
[01:07] <cyphermox> I'm just expressing my concern for the Qt GUI not being as well tested so far, because it's only used by Kubuntu
[01:07] <xnox> tsimonq2, i believe there is qt4, qt5 frontends, but both are /kde/ frameworks based. I believe there was a QML frontend in progress, not sure if it is merged or not.
[01:07] <tsimonq2> xnox: :/
[01:07] <cyphermox> there is?
[01:07] <xnox> a pure QML kdeframeworkless frontend would be nice.
[01:07] <cyphermox> afaik it's all only Qt5.
[01:08] <cyphermox> xnox: none of ubiquity requires KDE really, AFAIK
[01:08] <xnox> there was a branch by somebody either on launchpad, or something werid like a tarball import on github.
[01:08] <tsimonq2> xnox: That would be my end goal, here.
[01:08] <xnox> taking kde frontend as a starting point and moving that to qml would be a way forward.
[01:08] <xnox> unless you somehow can google up previous efforts of the same.
[01:09] <xnox> a QML subiquity frontend would be awesome too ;-)
[01:09] <tsimonq2> xnox: You mean sub-iquity?
[01:09]  * tsimonq2 is a "super big fan" of the naming choice on that one :P
[01:10] <xnox> yeah, new iteration of installer tech, based on cloud/maas experience. subiquity = server ubiquity
[01:10] <tsimonq2> xnox: But yeah, I'll probably use that as my starting point though.
[01:10] <cyphermox> xnox: that would probably be a major undertaking, it's *not at all* the same thing as the usual desktop installer.
[01:11] <xnox> sure.
[01:11] <tsimonq2> Soooo it's sub-iquity then? :D
[01:11] <xnox> tsimonq2, so looking at ubiquity kde frontend it is pure qt so far.
[01:12] <tsimonq2> xnox: Excellent! But does it depend on KDE Frameworks?
[01:12] <xnox> the bits that say from ubiquity.frontend.kde_components are the custom /ubiquity/ widgets for Qt.
[01:12] <xnox> so should not need any KDE frameworks.
[01:12] <cyphermox> nope.
[01:12] <cyphermox> maybe ksmserver, whatever that is
[01:13] <cyphermox> probably easy enough to make optional.
[01:13]  * xnox wonders if i'm looking at old xenial qt4 build though, one second
[01:13] <cyphermox> xnox: don't worry, there isn't much to look at; I have an up to date branch here.
[01:13] <xnox> curently requires kde-window-manager but that's probably because the ubiquity-dm is not ported to not use that.
[01:13] <xnox> tsimonq2, you may want to fix that ^
[01:14] <xnox> there are no dependeinds declared on kdeframework anything
[01:14] <xnox> ubiquity-dm is the only thing that call into kde, and should be ported to support whatever LXQT wants.
[01:15] <tsimonq2> xnox: Yeah, it was recently ported to Qt 5.
[01:15] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: short story, don't hesitate to ask on #ubuntu-installer if you have questions
[01:15] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: OK :)
[01:16] <cyphermox> xnox or I can answer :)
[01:16] <tsimonq2> I wonder how easy it would be to have some common Qt libraries between Lubuntu LXQt and Kubuntu and just have some elements customized...
[01:17] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: at first glance you have almost nothing to do; but I haven't seen your new image, you mentioned there was some stray branding from kubuntu.
[01:18] <cyphermox> tbf, there probably should not be any branding in ubiquity directly, that belongs to the theming, $flavour-default-settings, u-slideshow-$flavour and whatnot
[01:20] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: tl;dr, on a system with a wired connection, boot the image into "Try Without Installing," Click OK when it gets to the X error, then right-click and select the terminal emulator. Then run ubiquity from there, and you'll see what I'm talking about irt.
[01:20] <tsimonq2> s/irt/irt this/
[01:21] <cyphermox> ok
[01:21] <tsimonq2> I did it in virt-manager, but ymmv
[01:22] <cyphermox> oh boy, this is doing to take a while to download
[01:22] <tsimonq2> Yeeeah, hopefully in the future we'll slim that down... :P
[01:22] <cyphermox> it's not about that, somehow my tubes are slow
[01:23] <cyphermox> I will let it download, and catch up on it / on scrollback tomorrow morning.
[01:24] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: if you figure it in the meantime I'll be happy to review and merge a MP.
[01:25] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: ack :)
[01:53] <ahoneybun> any branding is done with a kubuntu.svg file in ubiquity
[01:53] <ahoneybun> just add the lubuntu one, make a change to one line and done
[01:53] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: ^
[01:54] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: ack :P
[02:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunar (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.6.11-1 => 1.6.11-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (mythbuntu, xubuntu)
[02:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunar (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.6.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.6.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (mythbuntu, xubuntu)
[02:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunar (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.6.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1.6.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (mythbuntu, xubuntu)
[02:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-weather-plugin (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.8.6-1 => 0.8.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[10:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python-pypowervm (artful-proposed/primary) [1.1.4-0ubuntu1]
[10:50] <ginggs> r-base is ready to migrate except for r-cran-spatstat on armhf and s390x http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#r-base i tried running it in lxc on amd64 locally, and it failed the first time, but not the 2nd time when i added -s . any ideas please?
[10:53] <alan_g> I'm trying to update the version of mir in 16.04 (SRU bug 1685186): it's reached minimum age in -proposed. Can we please proceed to -updates?
[11:10] <apw> alan_g, this seems to leave xenial with a newer version than in well everything after, thats not good for an upgrade perspective
[11:12] <alan_g> apw: next on my list is 0.27 for artful. You're concerned with zesty though?
[11:13] <apw> alan_g, the rules are concerned with all releases, they say you can't have a version in xenial that is higher than yakkety etc
[11:13] <apw> alan_g, not actually sure how this got accepted into -proposed as things stand
[11:14] <apw> tjaalton, ^^ ?
[11:19] <alan_g> So, we'd need to release a 0.26.4 version on yakkety and zenial? (0.26.3 has been tweaked to build for xenial, so that would need reverting)
[11:22] <Laney> ginggs: Let's skip those
[11:23] <apw> alan_g, well something with a version number higher than that in xenial would be the norm yes; for y z and a.  unless you have some kind of exception i am unaware of (and i could be)
[11:23] <ginggs> Laney: thanks
[11:38] <alan_g> How would I go about justifying an exception?
[11:39] <alan_g> The way we get here is that the 0.26 series was used for xenial+overlay and that was used for IoT projects on Ubuntu Core. We want to drop "overlay" now but maintain the same Mir support.
[11:40] <apw> alan_g, it is not clear how this would be possible without truly breaking updates, but you are LTS oriented; slangasek ^ ?
[11:47] <alan_g> Updating zesty from 0.26.2 to 0.26.4 would be simple enough. Yakkety was on an earlier series, so that would cause some issues.
[11:49] <alan_g> But the only people I think might care are UbuntuCore users that need "kiosk", or developers who I don't expect to be targeting yakkety.
[11:50] <jbicha> alan_g: technically, if you are not in a hurry and don't want to update Yakkety, then you could just wait until July when Yakkety is EOL
[11:51] <jbicha> but I think all that's being asked for now is that Yakkety has a higher version number than Xenial so that upgraders don't have a package newer than what is available in the archives
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected isc-dhcp [source] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[12:24] <slashd> rbasak, uploaded
[12:24] <rbasak> ack
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-dhcp (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.9 => 4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-dhcp [source] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-dhcp [source] (xenial-proposed) [4.3.3-5ubuntu12.7]
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [i386] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [ppc64el] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [powerpc] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [armhf] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isc-dhcp [arm64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10] (core)
[12:44] <rbasak> slashd: ^ you may need to track down an archive admin to accept from NEW.
[12:45] <slashd> rbasak, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive ???
[12:45] <rbasak> Yep
[12:46] <slashd> rbasak, ack will do
[12:46] <rbasak> slashd: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue
[12:48] <slashd> sil2100, the SRU that rbasak just approved is introducing ^ a new binary pkg --> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue. Could you please accept the new binary in the archive ?
[12:49] <sil2100> slashd: hey! Sadly my AA privilages only allow to take care of kernel related packages - I guess you'd have to poke a real AA like apw ^
[12:50] <slashd> apw ^^ could you please have a look at this request ^ ?
[12:50] <slashd> tks sil2100
[13:00] <cyphermox> rbasak: could you please reject my nplan from the xenial queue? I just realized it's missing -v
[13:08] <rbasak> ack
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nplan [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.22~16.04.1]
[13:27] <cyphermox> rbasak: ta
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [armhf] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [powerpc] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [arm64] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [ppc64el] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [i386] (trusty-proposed) [4.2.4-7ubuntu12.10]
[13:30] <apw> slashd, ^
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nplan (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.21~16.04.1 => 0.22~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:09] <slashd> apw, thanks
[15:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.157.11]
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: util-linux (zesty-proposed/main) [2.29-1ubuntu2 => 2.29-1ubuntu2.1] (core)
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: util-linux (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.28.2-1ubuntu1.1 => 2.28.2-1ubuntu1.2] (core)
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: util-linux (xenial-proposed/main) [2.27.1-6ubuntu3.2 => 2.27.1-6ubuntu3.3] (core)
[16:37] <bdmurray> cyphermox: How did you verify bug 1680279?
[16:37] <bdmurray> cyphermox: specifically how did you review the report?
[17:31] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I can generate a crash file, and look in to see if we have a value for the two variables (SecureBoot-* and MokSBStateRT-*)
[17:32] <cyphermox> the fact that the value is an unprintable character isn't too much an issue (we can "decipher" that, but just knowing that the files are there or not helps a lot already)
[17:34] <bdmurray> cyphermox: You viewed the .crash in /var/crash with a text editor or something? Was it not apport-gtk's dialog?
[17:34] <cyphermox> as I remember I went to vi the .crash file in /var/crash.
[17:38] <bdmurray> Maybe we should let slangasek decide since he did the SRU work
[17:39] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Also might these files not exist? there is attach_file_if_exists() instead of attach_file()
[17:39] <cyphermox> yes, at least MokSBStateRT can be absent
[17:41] <slangasek> fwiw when I was testing this I used apport-gtk's dialog
[17:43] <bdmurray> And did you choose not to use attach_file_if_exists()?
[17:47] <bdmurray> It won't cause a problem as apport will carry on, it'll just be extra baggage with the bug.
[18:00] <bdmurray> Oh, I guess its okay
[18:01] <bdmurray> Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/MokSBStateRT-605dab50-e046-4300-abb6-3dd810dd8b23'
[18:09] <bdmurray> slangasek: is the fact that its an unprintable character an issue?
[18:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: the 'no such file or directory' messages are actually useful information to me, it shows a recent enough version of the hook was run and found nothing
[18:21] <slangasek> bdmurray: the unprintable character is an issue, but IMHO having unprintable character is better than nothing
[18:22] <slangasek> and I told cyphermox I wasn't going to be working on the unprintable character problem any time soon, which was why he switched from v-failed to v-done
[18:23] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, cool
[18:25] <cyphermox> ^that. unprintable character is better than nothing, as just existence already give you all you need for the MokSBStateRT case anyway (it's either there or not)
[18:27] <bdmurray> Sure it just seems like you could store this information as a boolean e.g. MokSBStateRtExists: True and it'd be cleaner.
[18:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: for most of them we do care about the content, and it is possible if inconvenient to extract that info from the unprintable character IIRC
[18:28] <slangasek> ultimately I want the content
[18:42] <bdmurray> slangasek: Understood.
[18:44] <bdmurray> Bug 1659618 mentions a kexec-tools SRU ftbfs on armhf but that's not showing up on the pending-sru report...
[18:44] <bdmurray> I see some other ftbfs on the report.
[18:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: under yakkety I see 'kexec-tools armhf: Failed to build', is that not what you're talking about?
[18:59] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm talking about 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu2.1 for xenial which FTBFS but come to find out there is an even newer version in xenial which isn't in the bug comments at all.
[19:00] <slangasek> ok
[19:01] <bdmurray> So while I was looking at the wrong package version an SRU team member didn't comment on the bug when accepting the new version in.
[19:02] <bdmurray> That should have flipped the tags for xenial too.
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (artful-proposed/main) [2.02~beta3-4ubuntu4 => 2.02~beta3-4ubuntu4] (core)
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (artful-proposed/main) [2.02~beta3-4ubuntu4 => 2.02~beta3-4ubuntu4] (core)
[21:40] <gaughen> cyphermox, would you have a look at this MIR request please - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vine/+bug/1688091
[21:40] <cyphermox> sure
[21:43] <gaughen> thank you cyphermox!
[21:44] <jbicha> cyphermox: and LP: #1686726 too?
[21:54] <bdmurray> tjaalton: Why was mir accepted in xenial-proposed when it doesn't seem to be fixed in Artful and the version number will be greater than any other release?


[12:32] <zul> heylo
[06:06] <TheMuso> c
[02:36] <zul> heylo
[03:43] <zul> canadian health care system sucks
[03:44] <zul> i have a possible broken foot and the clinic i went to on thursday wont have the results back for 7 to 10 business days
[03:45] <BenC> you have to wait that long before they get the results of the xray?
[03:46] <zul> yeah...
[03:46] <zul> one of the best in the world my ass..
[03:50] <fabbione> holy cow
[03:50] <fabbione> xray's result are like.. IMMEDIATE
[03:51] <BenC> I've never heard of anyone leaving the office without their xray results in hand
[03:51] <fabbione> GO ZUL!
[03:51] <BenC> zul: maybe you need a better clinic that doesn't have to send them out ofr processing?
[03:51] <fabbione> sucks to be you
[03:52] <fabbione> it's about time to move to a more civilized country.. like Brazil
[03:52] <fabbione> or somewhere in the middle east
[03:52] <zul> heheh...or denmark
[03:54] <peterz> good hospitals there afaik
[03:56] <zul> no its just more civilized ;)
[03:58] <BenC> At least now I know what happens when the batteries go dead in my bluetooth mouse
[03:59] <BenC> pointer shoots to the top right of the screen and goes wacky
[03:59] <peterz> BenC: btw, what caused UML do go crazy on me? last time I saw something like that the posix timers where a goner
[04:00] <BenC> userspace memory address mapping
[04:00] <BenC> will be fixed in the next kernel
[04:00] <peterz> yes you said, haven't sen it hit the repo yet though
[04:01] <BenC> if I already said that to you, why ask about it again? :)
[04:02] <peterz> you said it would be fixed, not what caused it ;-)
[04:26] <chmj>  /quit later
[05:59] <zul> isnt it convient that when you want to get a bug-report from a user they throw their laptops off the table
[06:02] <cjb> That's a clever way to avoid having to use launchpad.
[06:14] <BenC> hehe
[06:22] <cjb> Morning BenC.  :)
[06:22] <BenC> good morning
[06:22] <cjb> Or, uh, perhaps morning.  Where do you live, again?
[06:22] <BenC> well, it's 12:22pm here
[06:22] <BenC> so close enough
[06:23] <cjb> Ah.  Same timezone as me, then,  Are you covered in snow too?
[06:45] <BenC> I wish
[06:45] <BenC> we got a light snow fall all day, but no accumulation


[16:07] <yano> https://youtu.be/wBWNgg8CClc
[16:07] <jenni> [ Bowling For Soup - Ohio (Come Back to Texas) - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/1PUs0yt
[16:36] <yano> https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/40h3rr/bernie_sanders_campaign_organizing_staff_coming/
[16:36] <jenni> [ Bernie Sanders Campaign Organizing Staff Coming Ohio. Cleveland and Columbus - Jan. 16th, Cincinnati - Jan. 18th. Come join and learn how you can help the movement. Crosspost: /r/OhioForSanders : Colu[...] ] - https://j.mp/1RJz4Q9
[20:37] <yano> http://www.whio.com/news/news/local/40-cars-pile-up-on-i-74-near-ohio-indiana-border/np3xj/
[20:37] <jenni> [ 40 cars pile up on I-74 near Ohio-Indiana border | Dayton News | www.whio.com ] - https://j.mp/1JIJpL5
[21:09] <dzho> :(
[21:09] <dzho> oh, man, I'm used to the other end of I-74, I don't even know where that goes


[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[18:02] <Aki-Thinkpad> ello
[18:02] <Aki-Thinkpad> #ubuntu-classroom
[18:06] <jose> Aki-Thinkpad: do /j #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[18:06] <Aki-Thinkpad> ah, chat
[18:06] <Aki-Thinkpad> thanks


[03:00] <jose> email sent to editors
[20:27] <jose> ok, getting ready to release in less than 5m
[21:14] <jose> ok, working on it now
[21:15] <jose> Unit193: mind link checking, please? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue363
[21:17] <Unit193> Looks good.
[21:20] <jose> thanks!
[21:44] <jose> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue363


[02:31] <Geocosm> My mic amplification keeps turning itself up to 100% which is way way way too loud. I put it back down to unamplified but when I talk it automatically shoots back up to 100%
[02:31] <Geocosm> How do I make my input volume not possessed?
[02:31] <holstein> Geocosm: in what application?
[02:31] <Geocosm> Sound Preferences
[02:31] <holstein> see if there are 'automatic' controls
[02:32] <holstein> Geocosm: right, but with what application?
[02:32] <holstein> that could be an application setting
[02:32] <Geocosm> It's in the Input tab in Sound Preferences
[02:32] <holstein> i remember seeing something in skype that says 'manage settings'
[02:32] <holstein> Geocosm: yes, but what are you using the mic with
[02:32] <Geocosm> Tons of things.
[02:32] <Geocosm> Mangler, Skype, G+
[02:33] <holstein> Geocosm: well, im proposing that those applications have control of that, and are changing those settings
[02:33] <Geocosm> Interesting.
[02:33] <holstein> you can always open skype, look for the settings im mentioning, and try it while you wait on someone else
[02:33] <holstein> you can also install pavucontrol if its still available in whatever version of ubuntu you are running
[02:34] <Geocosm> Ah. Allow Skype to adjust my mixer levels. But... it's still doing it.
[02:35] <holstein> Geocosm: OK.. so we can call that 'ruled out' then
[02:35] <holstein> its not application specific then
[02:35] <holstein> Geocosm: is this something that has always happened, or something that has just started happening?
[02:35] <holstein> are you up do date with all package upgrades?
[02:36] <holstein> did you see anything helpful in 'pavucontrol' ?
[02:36] <Geocosm> I'm not sure.
[02:36] <Geocosm> I am.
[02:36] <Geocosm> I didn't look yet
[02:37] <holstein> cool... let me know when you have time to do some troubleshooting :)
[02:37] <Geocosm> Installing it now
[02:42] <Geocosm> ok. installed.
[02:43] <holstein> i assume you are looking in alsamixer? in the terminal?
[02:43] <Geocosm> applications>sound & video>Pulseaudio volume control
[02:44] <holstein> right, but prior to coming here, you were looking in alsamixer?
[02:45] <holstein> if you open a terminal and type
[02:45] <holstein> alsamixer
[02:45] <Geocosm> I clicked the sound preferences button on the speaker in my panel
[02:45] <holstein> you should be able to hit F5 and see all the settings, boost or whatever
[02:45] <Geocosm> oh, god. what is this
[02:45] <holstein> Geocosm: ?
[02:46] <Geocosm> it's all weird looking. my terminal.
[02:47] <Geocosm> AlsaMixer v<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:47] <holstein> should be alsamixer
[02:48] <Geocosm> It's got like bars in it and stuff lol
[02:48] <holstein> if you hit F5 you should see the boost settings and all that
[02:48] <holstein> Geocosm: right, thats the mixer
[02:48] <holstein> i would try setting the settings there, and see
[02:48] <Geocosm> This is like weird. I don't know what to do lol.
[02:49] <holstein> Geocosm: you navigate to the boost settings after pressing F5
[02:49] <holstein> turn them to the setting you chose
[02:50] <holstein> start an app, see if the settings change unwantedly again
[02:51] <Geocosm> aha. I have to use the keyboard.
[02:51] <holstein> ?
[02:51] <Geocosm> On this thing in my terminal. these bars.
[02:51] <holstein> Geocosm: you can hit escape and close it
[02:52] <holstein> and look for a bug report... if you dont see one you can file it
[02:52] <Geocosm> I closed G+ and it stopped messing up my mic.
[02:52] <Geocosm> But there's no setting like that on G+
[02:52] <holstein> if it were my machine, i would try a few live CD's
[02:52] <holstein> the LTS... 10.04, and maybe knoppix
[02:53] <Geocosm> is there no way to deny my web browser mic permissions?
[02:53] <holstein> i would make a note of if it is happening or not, and make a note of the kernel version and ALSA versions
[02:53] <Geocosm> My sound has always been messed up.
[02:54] <holstein> Geocosm: you should probably be filing bugs with alsa then
[02:54] <Geocosm> Like, only one application can use it at a time. And when I close that application, all the other sounds that should have happened before happen.
[02:54] <holstein> Geocosm: open a terminal... and run a few commands and paste them for me here
[02:54] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:54] <Geocosm> Like, when I close my music player, Skype will make all these sigh and blip noises. lol.
[02:54] <holstein> run...
[02:54] <holstein> lspci
[02:54] <holstein> aplay -l
[02:54] <holstein> arecord -l
[02:54] <obarthelemy> hi. I'm running natty on an arm-based hercules cafe. works globally fine, except at boot I get a blinking curosr at the top left corner, and hav to do ctrl-alt-F1 to get a tty. It would be great if I could also know where to change my keyboard map at bott time instead of manually each time :-p
[02:55] <obarthelemy> I've tried to hack together a simple inittab, no change, but maybe i made it wrong
[02:56] <Geocosm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707124/
[02:56] <holstein> obarthelemy: thats quite over my head, but feel free and pastebin what you got here, and maybe someone will be able to give you some feedback
[02:57] <obarthelemy> I hink what I did amounts to nothing, we can start from scratch: how do I get natty to launch a tty at boot, and what will be that tty's onfig files ? (runlevel 3 preferred)
[02:58] <holstein> the GUI is running on one is it not?
[02:58] <holstein> anyways, again.. over my head
[02:59] <holstein> Geocosm: i found an interesting post
[02:59] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1055105.html
[02:59] <obarthelemy> no, no gui, this is for a server... thanks anyway
[02:59] <holstein> suggests adding Add -> options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-dig probe_mask=1 <-at the end of the line in file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:59] <holstein> obarthelemy: right
[02:59] <holstein> im just not sure why you arent getting to a tty anyways
[03:00] <holstein> my server installs just boot up to a login prompt, no hacking needed...
[03:00] <holstein> Geocosm: as long as you understand how to add that to that file, and remove it if it doesnt work/help, i would try it
[03:01] <Geocosm> Got it. Thank you.
[03:02] <holstein> theres also http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci:3A3E:8086-AUDIO
[03:03] <holstein> Geocosm: ^^ those units should have the same audio hardware you have
[03:04] <Geocosm> "Make sure you don't have 2 applications sharing sound. It seems like a pulseaudio problem."
[03:04] <Geocosm> lol I have like 6 applications using sound right now.
[03:05] <holstein> Geocosm: thats not the issue
[03:06] <holstein> you dont share the exact same problem, you have sound, you just have a glitch
[03:06] <holstein> that could be a glitch no one has noticed
[03:07]  * Geocosm pulls his hair out.
[03:09] <Geocosm> That might have mostly fixed the problem, actually.
[03:09] <holstein> Geocosm: ?
[03:10] <Geocosm> I'm still not able to get sound on a youtube video, but like Skype is making noises while I'm using Rhythmbox.
[03:10] <holstein> Geocosm: sound with youtube?
[03:10] <holstein> i didnt know about that
[03:10] <holstein> that could be anything... i would try different browsers too just to be sure
[03:10] <holstein> flash is just awful
[03:11] <Geocosm> yeah I tried chromium, chrome, and FF.
[03:11] <Geocosm> It is.
[03:11] <Geocosm> Oh. I know. I'll try to find an HTML5 video.
[03:11] <holstein> anyways, i would also be interested in knowing how it workds with 10.04 and 11.10
[03:11] <holstein> i was thinking it was the mic boost issue, and that was it
[03:12] <holstein> i would test with live CD's first so as not to break something, but updating alsa is not a bad idea
[03:12] <holstein> Geocosm: you'll just need to fiddle around with it
[03:12] <holstein> if its a desktop machine, i would go spent $4 at a charity shop and get *any* compatible card, and disable that one in the bios
[03:13] <holstein> can you get that one working? sure... but who knows how much of a pain it'll be
[03:13] <holstein> you'll need to pick a bug reporting path and be diligent about it
[03:13] <holstein> anyhow, im out.. GN folks and good luck
[03:14] <Geocosm> Night. Thanks.
[05:06] <sebsebseb> hi
[05:10] <dangertux> hi
[09:53] <Severity1> hello earthlings :P
[14:20] <malev> hello!!
[14:21] <malev> so, what's up throw this lands? any new cool project or something? or are you having beers for the new release?
[14:25] <holstein> mey malev ... maybe you want to try one of the more social avenues like #ubuntu-beginners-team or #ubuntu-release-party
[14:28] <malev> holstein: maybe, but I also asked about the channel it self. I've participate on this channel some time ago, and I saw there where to be big changes and ... that was what I was asking
[15:58] <holstein> malev: welcome back :)
[16:03] <tuxforprez> hello can anyone help me with sed ?
[16:03] <tuxforprez> Hi there I am trying to
[16:03] <tuxforprez> echo "Your weather code is $CODE It is now being move to the correct place "
[16:03] <tuxforprez> but I want to replace the 1st line in weather.conf to $CODE
[16:03] <tuxforprez> echo $CODE >> /opt/Weather/weather.config
[16:05] <coalwater> hm i don't know much about bash but i can try
[16:06] <coalwater> u want to replace only 1 line? or does the file only contain that line
[16:06] <coalwater> cause >> means append
[16:06] <coalwater> so it will create a new line
[16:06] <coalwater> tuxforprez:
[16:07] <tuxforprez> thaks
[16:07] <tuxforprez> thanks
[16:07] <tuxforprez> I am just learning
[16:07] <coalwater> so ? how many lines are in the config file?
[16:08] <tuxforprez> 2
[16:08] <tuxforprez> 1st one is yahoo weather code
[16:08] <coalwater> 2nd should be kept ?
[16:08] <tuxforprez> 2 is Celsius or fer
[16:08] <tuxforprez> c or f
[16:09] <coalwater> is it possile to just create the file? or would that need more coding?
[16:09] <coalwater> i mean is there a variable in the code that already knows the setting?
[16:09] <tuxforprez> more coding
[16:10] <tuxforprez> a guy @ # bash said to use sed
[16:10] <tuxforprez> this is what he gave me
[16:10] <tuxforprez> { echo "$CODE"; sed 1d /opt/Weather/weather.config; } > tempfile && mv tempfile /opt/Weather/weather.config
[16:10] <tuxforprez> I guess that one 1d is the 1st line
[16:11] <coalwater> idk if sed can read a certain line
[16:11] <tuxforprez> neither do I :>)
[16:11] <tuxforprez> I will try brb
[16:12] <coalwater> ok i think i got what it meant
[16:12] <coalwater> it's like an offset
[16:12] <coalwater> skip first line
[16:13] <coalwater> so yea that code should run successfully
[16:14] <coalwater> hmm, now it doesn't seem to be an offset, its more like an ignore line
[16:15] <coalwater> d = Delete pattern space.  Start next cycle.
[16:15] <coalwater> w//e that means
[16:15] <coalwater> :D
[16:16] <tuxforprez> thanks
[16:17] <tuxforprez> almost there
[16:17] <Riviera> Is the question solved?
[16:19] <tuxforprez> \0/
[16:19] <Riviera> sed has two buffers, the pattern space and the hold space.  normally it operates on the pattern space, where the input is read in line-wise.
[16:19] <Riviera> each reading-in of a new line is "a new cycle."
[16:19] <Riviera> That behaviour of the d command allows code like that:
[16:19] <tuxforprez> cool Riviera thaks
[16:19] <tuxforprez> yeah it worked
[16:19] <Riviera> sed '/some pattern/d; s/^/hehe/'
[16:20] <Riviera> the s command which prepends each line with the string "hehe" would be skipped for each line containing "some pattern"
[16:20] <Riviera> which would then not appear in the output
[16:20] <Riviera> $ printf %s\\n {a..c} | sed '/b/d; s/^/not deleted: /'
[16:20] <Riviera> not deleted: a
[16:20] <Riviera> not deleted: c
[16:20] <tuxforprez> Real cool stuff right here
[16:22] <Riviera> I actually use that a lot, for instead of doing
[16:22] <Riviera> grep 'some pattern' | sed 's/some/thing/'
[16:22] <tuxforprez> anything from a to c is that why the dots are there or is it just a and c that are not deleted
[16:22] <Riviera> doing
[16:22] <Riviera> sed '/some pattern/!d; s/some/thing/'
[16:22] <Riviera> If you are into these insane things, ##sed is a very friendly and very helpful (though sometimes quiet) channel.
[16:22] <tuxforprez> lol
[16:23] <tuxforprez> I am joining now thanks
[16:23] <tuxforprez> join ##sed
[16:23] <Riviera> tuxforprez: that {a..c} thing is a feature of shells like bash, ksh and zsh:
[16:23] <tuxforprez> v. cool
[16:24] <Riviera> try, for example:  echo {a..z}; echo {01..10}
[16:24] <tuxforprez> this is going to make life so much more fun and easy
[16:25] <tuxforprez> SO cool
[16:26] <Riviera> echo {dog,cat,bird}{house,pool}
[16:26] <Riviera> ;)
[16:26] <tuxforprez> lol
[16:26] <tuxforprez> So coll
[16:26] <tuxforprez> cool
[16:27] <tuxforprez> this is  REGexp ?
[16:28] <tuxforprez> sorry that I am so new
[16:28] <tuxforprez> to all of this
[16:28] <Riviera> no, it's something completely different, bash calls it 'brace expansion"
[16:29] <tuxforprez> REGexp moves mords on ? like if I want to move up a step
[16:29] <tuxforprez> from 1 to say 300
[16:30] <tuxforprez> echo {1..300} {300..1}
[16:30] <tuxforprez> yes
[16:31] <tuxforprez> thank you so much
[16:31] <tuxforprez> :>)
[16:33] <coalwater> i dont know much of sed, i usually like grep more, but i think i'll try to see what sed has to offer and maybe i'll find it useful some day :D
[16:34] <Riviera> tuxforprez: regular expressions match things
[16:34] <Riviera> tuxforprez: (or, well, in theory they define regular languages, but ignore that)
[16:35] <Riviera> tuxforprez: that "changing" what you meant, as in sed's s command, only partly consists of regular expressions:
[16:35] <Riviera> tuxforprez: s/pattern/replacement/flags
[16:36] <Riviera> tuxforprez: where "pattern" is a regular expression, and "replacement" is not, both have different syntaxes
[16:36] <Riviera> tuxforprez: the "s" stands for "substitute"
[16:36] <Riviera> anyway, need to hurry now, back later :)
[16:36] <tuxforprez> thanks again :>)
[17:11] <chrisinleedsuk> Hi everyone
[17:12] <chrisinleedsuk> How do I make my yamaha opl3-sa3 soundcard work?
[17:12] <chrisinleedsuk> There appears to be no drivers currently installed but I know NOTHING about linux.
[17:12] <coalwater> hm
[17:12] <coalwater> !sound
[17:12] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[17:13] <coalwater> there, check that
[17:13] <chrisinleedsuk> Thank-you
[18:16] <tonywade> hi
[18:17] <tonywade> does anyone know if you install a version of ubuntu on a usb does it affect your other files on the usb?
[18:18] <bioterror> you need partitions
[18:19] <tonywade> how do u do that?
[18:24] <tonywade> how do u do partitions?
[18:25] <holstein> tonywade: i typically just use the normal ubuntu installer, and choose the USB as the destination
[18:25] <holstein> you can use the alternate installer too to ensure GRUB will go where you want it to go
[18:26] <tonywade> but how about using startup disk creator
[18:27] <holstein> tonywade: use whatever you want to make the installer
[18:27] <bioterror> but if you want to keep files on usb
[18:27] <bioterror> you need two partitions
[18:27] <bioterror> one for files, and one for ubuntu
[18:27] <holstein> i usually use a USB stick to install to another USB stick, or SD card
[18:27] <holstein> yeah, making a persistent stick is different
[18:27] <holstein> i personally dont see the benifit
[18:27] <holstein> i just make an install on the USB
[18:29] <tonywade> ok can i use the files on the usb if i have the ubuntu running?
[23:22] <w47331> hello all im having issues with getting my graphics hardware to be seen by ubuntu
[23:24] <w47331> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707607/
[23:26] <w47331> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707632/


[06:47] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:50] <jibel> bonjour oSoMoN
[06:58] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:59] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN, jibel, ricotz and pieq
[06:59] <pieq> hey duflu !
[07:00] <jibel> hi all
[07:29] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:29] <oSoMoN> salut pieq
[07:30] <oSoMoN> morning ricotz
[07:34] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:17] <didrocks> good morning
[08:24] <jibel> could someone release https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/autopilot/+git/autopilot/+ref/master ?
[08:25] <jibel> it removes the last bits of deps on Qt4
[08:25] <jibel> xnox, ^
[08:55] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN jibel duflu pieq ricotz didrocks
[09:01] <Laney> helloooooo
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney
[09:05] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson and Laney
[09:12] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson, Laney
[09:16] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, Laney, duflu
[09:20] <Laney> wooooooooo
[09:20] <Laney> hi marcustomlinson duflu oSoMoN didrocks!
[09:20] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:21] <marcustomlinson> distracted... watching the snow outside my window
[09:21] <marcustomlinson> :)
[09:21] <oSoMoN> going ok here, like a Monday with tons of things to do this week
[09:23] <didrocks> good, and you?
[09:25] <Laney> alllllllllllllrigggghhhtttttttt
[09:25] <Laney> enjoyed watching the storm yesterday
[09:25] <didrocks> it was 13°C at 8am, crazy!
[09:26] <Laney> summer time kids
[09:26] <RikMills> jibel: unity-autopilot from src:unity also deps on window-mocker. are you intending to drop that as well?
[09:34] <jibel> RikMills, no I didn't plan to do that, but any maintainer of unity can do it. I don't have upload rights, it's a single line to remove from the control file and the tests are skipped if window-mocker is not installer
[09:34] <jibel> installed*
[09:35] <jibel> OOC why qt4 is not removed from windowmocker instead of removing windowmocker from all the packages that depend on it?
[09:43] <RikMills> jibel: apologies. I thought you were core-dev or otherwise had rights. regards where in the chain to drop the dep, I think there have just been a few conversions that didn't quite 'join up' in their conclusions. the qt4 window-mocker dep has to go if window-mocker stays in the archive
[09:57] <xnox> jibel:  tah, will upload in a second.
[10:00] <xnox> jibel:  the question i have is if unity-autopilot is used at all by anything, or even run anywhere.
[10:06] <jibel> xnox, it's the functional test suite of unity, so I don't think it's used anywhere outside of unity.
[10:06] <jibel> that's a question for the current devs of unity
[11:20] <Laney> that's enough yak shaving on eds
[11:22] <diddledan> bald yaks?!
[11:22] <diddledan> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5nl7XXD7cS4/Ta1gB9T8e5I/AAAAAAAAAKQ/sXMLuqIfG8s/s1600/gangri+norbu.JPG
[11:23] <Laney> nicely coiffured hipster yaks
[11:23] <Laney> actually you probably couldn't call anything about e-d-s hipster in any way
[11:33] <Saviq> didrocks: Hey, I've to set up my laptop fresh, was wanting to use your guys' zsys work, is there a way to have it with encryption yet?
[11:40] <Saviq> jibel: you may know, too? ^
[12:36] <jibel> Saviq, Hi, we won't enable encryption this cycle. We noticed some performance issues and don't have enough confidence to enable it by default for all the datasets.
[12:36] <Saviq> jibel: that's subvolume encryption? How about full disk?
[12:37] <jibel> Saviq, however you can still encrypt your home datasets for example by creating a new dataset with encryption on then export/import your data
[12:37] <jibel> that's for full disk, we won't enable encryption when the main pool is created
[12:37] <jibel> but you can still to it for individual datasets
[12:40] <Saviq> jibel: any way to tell zsys to do its stuff on luks-encrypted volumes?
[12:40] <cpaelzer> didrocks: can you add the desktop team subscription to fonts-urw-base35 for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-urw-base35/+bug/1862048 ?
[12:41] <jibel> Saviq, no, if you want to use luks + zfs you have to do it manually
[12:41] <Saviq> Ack, thanks
[12:42] <Saviq> Let's see if the focal installer works :)
[12:42] <diddledan> doing ZFS on top of another technology like LUKS or the BSD equivalent is usually advised against by ZFS upstream IIRC
[12:42] <Saviq> Sure, makes sense :)
[12:42] <diddledan> it's best to let ZFS use the drive directly :-)
[12:43] <diddledan> having an extra layer means ZFS doesn't know the true topology so it can't optimise correctly, possibly causing issues
[12:43] <Saviq> Home dataset would work, too, would I need to unlock manually before logging in?
[13:35] <didrocks> Saviq: yes, there is no integration yet AFAIK
[13:36] <didrocks> Laney: mind subscribing desktop-packages to fonts-urw-base35? Only you and seb are admin for this team
[13:36] <didrocks> cc cpaelzer ^
[13:45] <tkamppeter> didrocks, exactly this I wanted to say here.
[13:45] <tkamppeter> And I have a MER for gsfonts now.
[13:46] <tkamppeter> See bug 1862048.
[14:11] <didrocks> tkamppeter: please get the team subscribed as well before filing the MIR
[14:17] <tkamppeter> didrocks, OK, sorry that I forgot it. Now it's ACKed at least. Hope this did not break something. I have subscribed the team at least after the fact.
[14:18] <didrocks> good, thanks tkamppeter
[14:18] <Laney> okey dokey
[14:18] <Laney> done
[14:19] <tkamppeter> didrocks, can someone report a bug on libwmf and python-reportlab to move from (unmaintained) gsfonts to (maintained and current) fonts-urw-base35?
[14:20] <didrocks> you? :p
[14:20] <Laney> indeed
[14:20] <tkamppeter> I tried but Launchpad oopses and deletes everything what I wrote.
[14:20] <Laney> there's no reason that would be better for anyone else though
[14:21] <tkamppeter> OK, I will edit externally and then cycle until LP accepts.
[14:21] <Laney> Wait ten minutes; there's a known LP bug in this area and that's the remedy
[14:22] <tkamppeter> Laney, and what is this known bug?
[14:22] <Laney> Something about postgres
[14:22] <Laney> don't know the details, sorry :(
[14:23] <tkamppeter> Laney, but what will happen in 10 minutes?
[14:23] <Laney> That's how long the bug usually persists for, if it's the same one
[14:24] <Laney> imagine if it's some maintenance task which takes that long to run
[14:24] <tkamppeter> Laney, I tried to report s new bug.
[14:26] <tkamppeter> Or does it mean that it takes these 10 minutes until my account gets unblocked from the postgres bug?
[14:27] <GunnarHj> bluesabre: Hello Sean, do you have time to sponsor the debdiff at bug #1861481?
[14:31] <Laney> tkamppeter: Just wait ten minutes and try again, and if you still can't then maybe ask #launchpad to look at the OOPS ID you get
[14:45] <tkamppeter> Laney, I succeeded now: bug 1862641
[14:47] <Laney> great
[14:47] <Laney> You might be better off filing those at Debian, and attaching patches
[14:47] <Laney> to have the best chance of success
[15:24] <Laney> TIL about F-strings in python
[15:53] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:54] <hellsworth> i'm trying to reproduce a bug locally but it requires a working kerberos environment. is there a kerberos server somewhere I could use or should I actually go through with setting up a kerberos server/client?
[15:55] <hellsworth> it looks like setting up a kerberos server is a bit of a pain so though i'd ask before committing to that
[15:55] <Laney> tseliot: can I flag https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1862499 to you please?
[15:55] <Laney> it should be using /usr/sbin/nologin
[15:55] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[15:56] <Laney> no idea about kerberos I'm afraid
[15:56] <hellsworth> ok thanks anyways
[15:57] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[15:57] <Laney> possibly #ubuntu-server would
[15:57] <hellsworth> ok thanks for the tip. i'll go ask there :)
[15:58] <Laney> tseliot: btw nologin is the default, so you can leave that out altogether
[16:01] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[16:01] <hellsworth> o/ oSoMoN !
[16:07] <tseliot> Laney, sure. I wonder why it started failing now
[16:09] <Laney> I used ubuntu-drivers
[16:09] <Laney> suspect maybe it removed the -435 package including the user and then -440 tried to recreate it
[16:13] <tseliot> I'll have a look, thanks
[18:02] <hellsworth> man, a single mesa change really starts the domino effect of usn rereshes
[18:10] <diddledan> _eeeverything_ depends on ligGL.so.1 :-p
[18:10] <diddledan> libGL, too
[18:12] <hellsworth> yeah i mean makes sense
[18:36] <kenvandine> hellsworth: you should try building epiphany with the gnome-3-34 extension.  You can probably drop all the parts other than epiphany and snapcraft-preload
[18:36] <kenvandine> the build failures are gtk
[18:37] <hellsworth> ok
[18:41] <hellsworth> thats like 130 lines removed :)
[18:43] <kenvandine> yup
[19:18] <diddledan> wait, gnome-3-34?! :-o
[19:18] <diddledan> and there I am still using gnome-3-28!
[19:21] <hellsworth> diddledan: we're still working on merging it (https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2794) but you can go ahead and give it a shot. it's in the store under stanpcraft edge/pr-2794
[19:21] <gitbot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 2794 in snapcraft "Add gnome 3 34 extension" [Open]
[19:21] <diddledan> aha
[19:22] <diddledan> thanks :-)
[19:22] <hellsworth> if you build stuff with the gnome-3-34 extension and have any issues at all, i'd love to hear about them :)
[19:36] <hellsworth> kenvandine: epiphany is having the same issue as drawing (can't run snapcraftctl set-version $(git describe --tags --abbrev=10)) but in epiphany's case adding git to the build-packages section doesn't fix it
[19:56] <kenvandine> hellsworth: log?
[19:57] <hellsworth> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3pP7vfTwPH/
[21:25] <hellsworth> kenvandine: why isn't epiphany part of snapcrafters?
[21:54] <kenvandine> It's more like the gnome snaps
[21:54] <kenvandine> hellsworth We should probably start treating it like the other gnome snaps
[21:55] <hellsworth> but the other gnome snaps (mostly) have the snap included in upstream
[21:56] <hellsworth> ok but i think i see your point. since epiphany is more "official" than the projects in snapcrafters, it should not be in snapcrafters
[22:39] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I've got a heaptrack trace of gnome-software idling at ~700MB uploading to that gnome-software bug. Hopefully it's helpful!
[22:39] <robert_ancell> RAOF, thanks!
[22:59] <ideopathic> Hi all... I'm building a cross platform application that is intended to be installed in the user space.  I've been looking at the XDG documentation for recommendations for installation paths.  It appears that ~/.local/share is the desired location, however, it's unclear if I install a help app if that should be installed in ~/.local/share/app/bin/helperapp or if this should be something like
[22:59] <ideopathic>  ~/.local/bin/helperapp.  If someone could point me to an appropriate document or discussion, it would be appreciated.