[00:17] <ironfroggy> has anyone else noticed that on 11.04 you can't install the packages from google.com/chrome because of a dep on a missing libnspr4-0d ?
[00:17] <ironfroggy> is there a way around this anyone has found?
[00:18] <jordan193932> uh no i didnt know that
[00:18] <jordan193932> chrome is working fine with me
[00:18] <jordan193932> and i think i installed it through google
[00:19] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy, try chromium-browser
[00:19] <BluesKaj> in the repos
[00:20] <jordan193932> iron, can you give a description of what your doing?
[00:21] <ironfroggy> what differences are there between chrome and chromium?
[00:21] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: i am just downloading the .deb from google.com/chrome and installing it via dpkg -i
[00:21] <ironfroggy> on a fresh install of kubuntu 11.04
[00:21] <jordan193932> hmm
[00:21] <ironfroggy> but libnspr4-0d has been renamed libnspr4 and google-chrome fails to install correctly
[00:22] <jordan193932> iron, i think i updated my system before i installed chome
[00:22] <jordan193932> chrome*
[00:22] <ironfroggy> i have done the updates
[00:22] <darthanubis> any qbittorrent users here?
[00:23] <jordan193932> k
[00:23] <ironfroggy> the problem seems to be that google-chrome needs updated to use the new package name
[00:23] <jordan193932> a total of 158 if i remeber correctly
[00:23] <ironfroggy> but until them i wanted to find a way around it
[00:23] <darthanubis> any kde 4.7beta users here?
[00:24] <jordan193932> darth, i stand away from beta
[00:24] <jordan193932> stay*
[00:25] <jordan193932> iron im reading on some ubuntu forums now
[00:26] <ironfroggy> all my searching on the package name revealed only chinese forum hits. i cant read those.
[00:27] <jordan193932> iron, seems your not the only person with this problem
[00:27] <jordan193932> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=09d163457e03e85f&hl=en
[00:27] <TheBuntu> Anyone have any idea if Arora browser has a setting to put a Home button
[00:28] <jordan193932> i installed using package using kpackage gui
[00:28] <BluesKaj> !chromium-browser | ironfroggy
[00:29] <jordan193932> did you try something like sudo apt-get install libnspr4-0d?
[00:29] <BluesKaj> !info chromium-browser | ironfroggy
[00:29] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: yes it doesnt exist and it tells me it has been replaced by libnspr4
[00:29] <jordan193932> uh
[00:29] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: i know what chromium is, thanks.
[00:30] <jordan193932> iron, i installed through gui
[00:31] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: thanks for the link.hopefully i'll figure something out.
[00:31] <jordan193932> try installing it through gui right quick
[00:31] <jordan193932> it may have a url for the dep
[00:31] <BluesKaj> you asked what the difference is...chromium is being dev'd for linux exclusivey, not any other platforms, ironfroggy
[00:32] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: yes but chromium isnt what i want. it doesnt include various extras that are important for me.
[00:32] <ironfroggy> but thanks.
[00:32] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: what GUI?
[00:32] <jordan193932> kpackage
[00:32] <jordan193932> kpackagekit
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> GUI = Graphic User Interface
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> !gui
[00:34] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: that only includse packages are in apt, which chrome isnt
[00:34] <ironfroggy> thats why i asked. i thought you must mean soemthing else. how are you installing chrome via that?
[00:34] <jordan193932> it may have a rep you need
[00:34] <jordan193932> thats what im thinking
[00:35] <jordan193932> i havnt added anything special yet
[00:36] <ironfroggy> what? sorry, i dont know what you mean.
[00:36] <jordan193932> i dont have backports checked natty partner and oblivious cdrom
[00:37] <jordan193932> ill see what verison of chrome i have
[00:37] <jordan193932> 12.0.742.91 (87961) Ubuntu 11.04
[00:41] <ironfroggy> jordan193932: and you are on an install of 11.04? not an upgrade?
[00:44] <jordan193932> yes
[00:45] <jordan193932> sorry i was doing someone of my laundry
[00:45] <ironfroggy> dunno why i am having trouble then. thanks for the help.
[00:45] <jordan193932> i was away
[00:45] <ironfroggy> gotta head out myself
[01:14] <S3Indiana> hello
[01:15] <darthanubis> hi
[01:16] <S3Indiana> Thx. (checking connectivity :)
[01:17] <S3Indiana> hope you've had a good day...
[01:18] <darthanubis> not bad, u2 thx
[01:18] <darthanubis> I wish my qbittrrent would become operational again
[01:18] <darthanubis> qbittorrent
[02:42] <sysop3> ne1 alive?
[02:43] <sysop3> what is it called when you move a window to the top of the screen and if you let go it full screens the window?
[02:43] <sysop3> and how do you turn that off?
[02:47] <jmper> alguien me puede ayudar con un link para descargar archlinux completo y sin problemas
[02:48] <rww> jmper: #kubuntu is for Kubuntu support in English. Try #archlinux.
[02:54] <jmper> alguien me puede ayudar con un link para descargar archlinux completo y sin problemas
[02:55] <rww> jmper: #kubuntu is for Kubuntu support in English. Try #archlinux.
[02:56] <wildgoose> jmper, #archlinux-es
[02:57] <jmper> lo que pasa es ya lo intente descarga desde la pagina pero no se me descarga completo por lo que no lo puedo bootear
[03:08] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:24] <joedj> hey folks. just updated to 10.04 and the tab bar in the new konsole makes it really hard to tell which is the active tab - the difference between active and inactive tabs is very subtle
[03:24] <joedj> can anyone think of a setting to improve this? i can't find anything obvious
[03:53] <AcademIQ> hello!
[03:55] <wildgoose> joedj, System Settings > Appearance > Colors
[04:42] <beto> fg
[04:43] <beto> eu baixei um arquivo no virtualbox
[04:43] <beto> e queria gravar e nao dah
[04:43] <beto> entao??
[04:43] <beto> alguem sabe como
[04:44] <beto> era uma imagem iso
[04:44] <mr-rich> beto: English, please ...
[04:44] <beto> do biglinux
[04:44] <beto> ah
[04:44] <beto> scuseme
[04:44] <duytruong> excuse me
[04:44] <duytruong> ha ha
[04:44] <beto> i speack english
[04:44] <beto> too bad
[04:44] <beto> lol
[04:45] <petete> you want to copy a file from virtualbox to the host machine?
[04:45] <duytruong> i know
[04:45] <beto> have brasilian room or spanish room in this choice??
[04:45] <duytruong> but i forget
[04:45] <Unit193> !pt
[04:45] <beto> i am with kurumin in the virtual box
[04:45] <beto> now
[04:46] <beto> speacking in he
[04:46] <duytruong> install virtual tool
[04:46] <duytruong> then, you can share between Kubuntu and win
[04:47] <duytruong> are you here, beto ?
[04:47] <beto> i hate ubuntu 11.04
[04:47] <beto> the 10.10 is better
[04:47] <duytruong> why ?
[04:47] <beto> yes
[04:48] <beto> my problem ... only i use googletraductor
[04:48] <beto> for to you understund
[04:48] <beto> but,
[04:48] <beto> thanks
[04:49] <duytruong> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR-V6Y04UAw
[04:49] <beto> only if*
[04:50] <duytruong> do you see it like ?
[04:50] <beto>  do u r speaking with me??
[04:51] <duytruong> yes
[04:51] <beto> ah
[04:52] <beto> how i see what??
[04:53] <duytruong> I think that you should installe Linux on your computer
[04:53] <beto> i have
[04:53] <beto> ubuntu 10.10
[04:53] <beto> karmic koala
[04:53] <duytruong> hihi
[04:53] <duytruong> ^ ^
[04:53] <beto> and others in the virtual machine
[04:54] <duytruong> Kubuntu has much more bugs
[04:54] <beto> yeah
[04:54] <beto> but
[04:54] <beto> is for learning more
[04:54] <wildgoose> !enter
[04:54] <beto> about O>S
[04:54] <beto> o.s
[04:55] <beto> ok
[04:55] <beto> bros
[04:55] <beto> bye
[04:56] <duytruong> however Kubuntu is much beautiful than gnome !
[04:57] <duytruong> I am using gnome chat with you. I am very glad ^ ^
[05:03] <duytruong> hello
[05:03] <duytruong> Is anyone here?
[05:04] <rww> just you and the chickens
[05:04] <mr-rich> rww: dammit ... you stole my line! ... :)
[05:04] <duytruong> ^ ^
[05:04] <duytruong> i am a chicken !
[05:04] <rats__> cluck cluck
[05:05] <duytruong> hello rww chicken !
[05:07] <duytruong> Why does not anyone answer that?
[05:07] <rww> chickens can't speak
[05:07] <duytruong> thanks
[05:08] <duytruong> now i understand
[05:08] <beto> please u can to put the brazilian room ,again??
[05:09] <beto> soory
[05:09] <rww> !br
[05:09] <beto> thanks
[05:09] <beto> lol
[05:10] <duytruong> I use kubuntu as an OS of 20 OS on my laptop
[05:10] <duytruong> Have to say there are extremely interested!
[05:11] <beto> xcuse again
[05:11] <beto> have more room?
[05:11] <beto> in brasil
[05:11] <beto> or in portugues??
[05:11] <beto> the peoples is sleaping
[05:12] <duytruong> sleeping ??
[05:12] <rww> beto: no
[05:12] <beto> yes
[05:12] <beto> my english
[05:12] <duytruong> where are you from rss and beto ?
[05:12] <beto> kkkkkkkkkkkk
[05:12] <beto> brasil
[05:12] <duytruong> i am Vietnamese
[05:13] <beto> wooww
[05:13] <duytruong> sorry for my bad english
[05:13] <duytruong> i have to use Google translation to understand what you say !
[05:14] <beto> ah
[05:14] <beto> i dont use
[05:14] <beto> i understund
[05:14] <beto> but
[05:14] <beto> dont know to write
[05:15] <duytruong> hihi
[05:15] <duytruong> ^ ^
[05:15] <beto> '-'
[05:15] <beto> ok
[05:15] <beto> man
[05:15] <beto> but
[05:15] <beto> i go to slepeeng too
[05:15] <beto> now
[05:16] <beto> thankś all peoples
[05:16] <beto> i want to learn more about linux
[05:17] <duytruong> Have you got a yahoo nick or MSN nick ? , I'm finding a friend to help me improve English
[05:17] <duytruong> please help me
[05:18] <duytruong> i love Kubuntu
[05:18] <duytruong> hello everybody, i am a chicken
[05:18] <duytruong> haha
[05:36] <kil> Всем здравствуйте
[05:36] <DarthFrog> !run | kil
[05:36] <DarthFrog> !ru | kil
[05:36] <Unit193> DarthFrog: So close ;)
[05:37] <DarthFrog> Unit193: Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and themonuclear warfare. :-)
[05:38] <kil> help me =)))
[05:38] <Unit193> DarthFrog: Haha! So true...
[05:38] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask kil
[05:38] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | kil
[05:39] <kil> to teach English=)
[05:39] <kil> and then not understand a Movie that you write to me =)
[05:40] <DarthFrog> kil: We're not understanding you.
[05:41] <kil> I do not understand=0
[05:41] <kil> =)
[05:45] <kil> advise soft for kubuntu?
[05:46] <kil> for exaple: alternative paint or photoshop??
[05:47] <kil> for example*
[05:47] <kil> need help your=(
[05:47] <petete> for painting krita is quite good
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> kil, you mean Gimp?
[05:48] <kil> Gimp? and what it?
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> !gimp | kil
[05:48] <DarthFrog> Kil: Perhaps you should join #ubuntu-ru where you could get help in your native language.
[05:49] <DarthFrog> GIMP is excellent for photo editing.
[05:49] <Graf_Westerholt> ubottu is not fully right. Gimp is for Windows and Mac also. :)
[05:50] <DarthFrog> Graf_Westerholt: And for all Linux, not just Ubuntu. :-)
[05:50] <Graf_Westerholt> Right. :)
[05:50] <DarthFrog> GIMP = GNU Image Manipulation Program
[05:51] <Graf_Westerholt> It's backup-time.
[05:51] <kil> No, Gimp me don't need.... me need exatcly alternative paint for linux.
[05:52] <kil> sorry, for my english. I'm a Russian
[05:53] <kil> paint = windows, and me need for linux?
[05:54] <DarthFrog> Why paint?
[05:54] <Graf_Westerholt> kil [06:47:58] <petete> for painting krita is quite good
 that edit or creat image..
[05:55] <DarthFrog> kil: GIMP is the best for that.
[05:56] <kil> DarthFrog: There only foto
[05:57] <kil> or no?
[05:57] <DarthFrog> No.  All images, not just photos.
[05:57] <Graf_Westerholt> kil, did you ever try Gimp?
[05:57] <kil> Ok. ty
[05:59] <kil> sorry. another quastion? can?
[06:00] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | kil
[06:01] <kil> how to inastall the file "*.exe"?
[06:01] <Graf_Westerholt> !install
[06:02] <DarthFrog> !wine | kil
[06:02] <Graf_Westerholt> kil, exe-files are for windows. Install gimp with „sudo apt-get install gimp“ at the terminal.
[06:03] <DarthFrog> kil: *.exe files are windows files.  Some (but not all) can be run using WINE.
[06:03] <Graf_Westerholt> DarthFrog, Wine for Gimp is not a good idea, I suppose.
[06:03] <DarthFrog> Graf_Westerholt: WINE is not needed for GIMP, which is a native Linux program.
[06:03] <Graf_Westerholt> That's the point.
[06:04] <DarthFrog> kil:  If you're hoping to use Ubuntu instead of Windows to run Windows programs, and not move to Linux programs, you're doomed to severe disappointment.
[06:05] <DarthFrog> kil: Instead, leave Windows programs (and viruses) behind and use native Linux programs instead.
[06:07] <kil> And with the help of Wine at the game can be installed?
[06:07] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry, kil, what do you mean?
[06:07] <kil> for example: counter-strike?
[06:09] <kil> probably no =(
[06:09] <kil> ПИЗДЕЦ!!!
[06:09] <kil> =))
[06:09] <DarthFrog> !games | kil
[06:11] <kil> СПАСИБО ВСЕМ =)))) THANK YOU ALL =))))
[06:11] <Graf_Westerholt>  без проблем
[06:11] <kil> Graf_Westerholt: =))
[06:25] <Name141> Are there going to be windows manager changes to Kubuntu like there are Ubuntu ?
[06:25] <Name141> (assuming not.. since Kubuntu is KDE..)
[06:26] <mr-rich> I sure as hell hope not ...   Kubuntu is for power users.
[06:29] <valorie> I think that is too broad a statement
[06:29] <rww> Name141: #ubuntu+1 would be the place for that, but no, not as far as I know.
[06:29] <valorie> we always have options
[06:29] <valorie> and that's cool
[06:29] <Name141> DarthFrog: Kubuntu will follow along with Ubuntu's releases? Such as Kubuntu has an LTS ?
[06:29] <valorie> people can use what they *like*
[06:29] <rww> Name141: Kubuntu has LTSes, yes.
[06:29] <valorie> kubuntu is part of Ubuntu
[06:30] <Name141> valorie: It's offical, unlike Lubuntu ?
[06:30] <valorie> yes
[06:30] <Name141> sweet.
[06:30] <DarthFrog> Name141: Yes and no.  They are some what independent.
[06:30] <valorie> has been for a long, long time
[06:30] <rww> I note that Lubuntu oneiric will be official
[06:31] <DarthFrog> Name141: There was a Ubuntu LTS release that Kubuntu didn't make LTS (due to KDE 4 being too raw at the time, I believe).
[06:31] <Name141> Anyway, I was looking at turning this machine in to a file server.  And the new Ubuntu windows manager blows.
[06:32] <DarthFrog> Name141: If it's to be a file server, what does the GUI matter?
[06:32] <Name141> DarthFrog: Not much.
[06:32] <DarthFrog> You'll be doing everything at the command line anyway.
[06:32] <Name141> but if I wanted one..
[06:32] <Name141> I don't want to be fighting it
[06:33] <valorie> lots of choices of what to put on top
[06:33] <DarthFrog> Does ubuntu (whatever flavour) have any GUI server admin tools?
[06:33] <valorie> xfce, gnome, unity, kubuntu
[06:34] <svaksha> are gui server admin tools convenient? or reliable even?
[06:34] <DarthFrog> Personally, I rarely even install X on the servers I admin.
[06:34] <valorie> you get the lamp stack
[06:35] <Name141> DarthFrog: It has a DVD burner, so I might use it sometimes.
[06:35] <sourav> hi, I just messed up the side access column and the tool bar of dolphin..how can I restore it?
[06:47] <duytruong> hi, nice to meet you
[07:56] <dineshnn> network with internet is keep on disconnecting in Kubuntu 11.04
[08:03] <the_p_> hi. I have a not so important but annyoing problem. I installed ubuntu and afterwards the kubunut plasma desktop package. and choose kdm as log in manager. now everything works except that when i log in to kde with kdm after a few minutes the screen flickers then gdm appears and i have to log in there anfter i do this my kde session is continued. Does anyone know why this happens and how i can resolve it?
[08:04] <dineshnn> hi
[08:05] <the_p_> hi. can you help me?
[08:07] <Unit193> the_p_: Do you want to just use Kubuntu?
[08:10] <Tm_T> the_p_: uninstall gdm
[08:11] <Unit193> Tm_T: I was going to go for the pure idea :P
[08:11] <Tm_T> Unit193: that would be way more than necessary
[08:12] <Tm_T> unfortunately since upstart and all the changes in the boot process, I don't know anymore how gdm infiltrates the system
[08:12] <Tm_T> so only sure fix I can suggest is to remove it
[08:12] <dineshnn> i need to connect laptop and desktop guide how to connect.. i have kubuntu 11.04
[08:12] <the_p_> Tm_T: why not i can always reinstall it if i change my mind.
[08:12] <Tm_T> the_p_: while you're at it, reinstall kdm just in case
[08:15] <the_p_> Tm_T: Thanks for your help. I think it should be solved now.
[09:13] <bt> here speack english?
[09:13] <Tm_T> bt: yes
[09:13] <bt> ok
[09:13] <bt> thanks
[09:26] <duytruong> please help me
[09:27] <Tm_T> !helpme
[09:27] <duytruong> OpenSUSE KSE doesn't turn on a wireless
[09:28] <Tm_T> duytruong: we don't know about suse, you might try their support channels instead
[09:31] <duytruong> is there any good game in Kubuntu? But simple !
[09:35] <duytruong> Can't nobody help me ?
[09:37] <Tm_T> duytruong: kdegames is a package that will bring in a plenty of games
[09:37] <duytruong> thanks
[09:43] <duytruong> I want to draw Cad in Kubuntu. I know there is a software that can draw autocad 2d is Drafsight but not install in Kubuntu 11.04. Do you know a similar functioning software?
[09:44] <jmut_> hi folks. What software I could use to video capture my screen. My ultimate goal would be to capture stuff from a game I play under dosbox
[09:44] <jmut_> but stlil I need nice video capturing since I am doing some tutorials sometimes etc
[09:46] <Tm_T> !screencast | jmut_
[09:47] <jmut_> Tm_T: nice. thanks. any clue if those will have issues with dosbox?
[09:47] <Tm_T> jmut_: no idea, sorry
[09:47] <jmut_> Tm_T: thanks
[09:51] <Sarvangasana> hi
[09:52] <Sarvangasana> i recently installed kubuntu OS
[09:52] <Sarvangasana> i need to know the system aplications name for scanning documents
[09:52] <Sarvangasana> where i can find it
[09:52] <Sarvangasana> because on the graphics aplications i didn't find any
[09:56] <Manchot> what's wrong with grep?
[10:00] <jtheuer> Sarvangasana: xsane might work
[10:00] <jtheuer> but it isn't very "nice" -- there might be better kde-style applications.
[10:01] <Sarvangasana> this application don't recognize my scanner
[10:01] <Sarvangasana> it is a multifunction printer
[10:01] <Sarvangasana> epson dx4900f
[10:02] <Sarvangasana> scanimage: no SANE devices found
[10:03] <Sarvangasana> jtheuer,
[10:03] <Joupi> Sarvangasana: Did you check the Sane project web page to make sure your multifunction printer is recognised and compatible (supported hardware) ? First thing to do ... to make sure you can use it properly, else you might have difficulties.
[10:04] <Sarvangasana> ok i will look
[10:04] <Joupi> ;-)
[10:06] <Sarvangasana> where can i find the sane epson library ?
[10:06] <Sarvangasana> in synaptic ?
[10:09] <Sarvangasana> i need sane-epson(5)
[10:09] <Sarvangasana> i don't know where to download
[10:09] <Sarvangasana> Joupi,
[10:10] <Joupi> mm
[10:10] <Joupi> Did you check on epson website
[10:10] <Joupi> ?
[10:11] <Joupi> I mean, usually when a printer is recognised, it is done automatically
[10:11] <Joupi> plug and play somehow
[10:11] <Joupi> if you need a driver that is not fully recognised
[10:11] <Joupi> either epson website or somewhere else
[10:12] <Joupi> you need to get the proper epson ubuntu driver
[10:18] <Sarvangasana> yes i have find that epson in kowa have a website where you can download a driver
[10:19] <Sarvangasana> but the website is not available now
[10:19] <Sarvangasana> http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/lsd_e.html
[10:19] <Sarvangasana> kowa i suppose its a city in japan
[10:19] <Sarvangasana> linux scan drivers
[10:21] <Joupi> Sarg : yes I see, maybe site is down or does not exist anymore
[10:24] <Joupi> I just went across these 2 sites : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/installer_une_imprimante_epson ; http://www.linux-drivers.org/ ;
[10:24] <Joupi> I guess you checked already
[10:42] <Sarvangasana> i have download a driver
[10:42] <Sarvangasana> but now i have another error
[10:42] <Sarvangasana> it can't be accesed the device
[10:42] <Sarvangasana> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/erroryj.png/
[10:42] <Sarvangasana> Joupi,
[10:43] <Sarvangasana> http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin2/linux_e/spc/DL2.do
[10:43] <Sarvangasana> i found here
[10:44] <Sarvangasana> canimage: open of device epkowa:usb:001:006 failed: Access to resource has been denied
[10:44] <Joupi> ok wait
[10:45] <Joupi> Sarv : ok, but that's not a language I can read ... hehe
[10:45] <Sarvangasana> here is the same message in terminal
[10:46] <Sarvangasana> in english
[10:46] <Sarvangasana> canimage: open of device epkowa:usb:001:006 failed: Access to resource has been denied
[10:49] <Joupi> Sarv : did you install the driver you downloaded or is it the driver install that fails ?
[10:51] <Sarvangasana> i have instaled
[10:51] <Sarvangasana> but the i launch the x-sane application
[10:51] <Sarvangasana> or canimage
[10:52] <Sarvangasana> it appears this error
[10:52] <Sarvangasana> it recognize the scanner
[10:52] <Sarvangasana> but it seems i don't have privileges enough for launching it
[10:52] <Joupi> ok
[10:52] <Sarvangasana> maybe i have to do sudo
[10:53] <Sarvangasana> :)
[10:53] <Joupi> I guess you downloaded the All-in-Ones multifunction driver ?
[10:53] <Sarvangasana> it works
[10:53] <Joupi> right ?
[10:53] <Joupi> hehe ok
[10:53] <Joupi> good for you
[10:53] <Sarvangasana> how silly
[10:53] <Joupi> :p
[10:57] <mudassar> Hello people
[10:57] <mudassar> can somebody tell me how can I link glibc with my c code ?
[10:58] <mudassar> anybody there?
[11:02] <mudassar> hello anybody there ?
[11:09] <Sarvangasana> how can i change the permits of a document created under root privileges
[11:10] <Joupi> You must be root and do either chmod or chown + chgrp
[11:10] <Joupi> to give permission or change owner and group
[11:11] <Joupi> no other choice
[11:11] <Joupi> I suggest you give access of your scanner to your user
[11:12] <Joupi> it will avoid chging privileges all the tiume you use you scanner ;-)
[12:11] <amichair> !find eclipse
[12:11] <amichair> !info eclipse natty
[12:18] <amichair> !info eclipse ocelot
[12:18] <amichair> !info eclipse oneiric
[12:19] <amichair> I guess tomorrow's release will be out-of-repo as well...
[13:16] <starlook> whats happening
[13:16] <duytruong> is there any beautiful theme  for kubuntu icon ? Can I get it for using ?
[13:17] <starlook> to get a icon theme for here, is better than the kde-look org?
[13:19] <duytruong> I see the most H20 icon theme in numerous icon
[13:24] <starlook> i need a help in how to put the kde application menu in transparent mode
[13:35] <wedo> hello
[13:35] <starlook> hello
[13:36] <wedo> I need help plz - when I'm updating my kubuntu it stops at  mysql-server-5.1 replacing and I cannot avoid this step
[13:40] <wedo> can anyone help me plz
[13:40] <starlook> talk
[13:47] <wedo> I need help plz - when I'm updating my kubuntu it stops at  mysql-server-5.1 replacing and I cannot avoid this step
[13:53] <wedo> starlook:  when I'm updating my kubuntu it stops at  mysql-server-5.1 replacing and I cannot avoid this step
[14:16] <wedo>  when I'm updating my kubuntu it stops at  mysql-server-5.1 replacing and I cannot avoid this step
[15:00] <ovidius> wedo: what do you mean by "stops"?
[15:02] <starlook> remove the mysql-server or componnents of the upgrad list
[15:02] <wedo> ovidius: it hangs and donot continue hte updating process
[15:03] <starlook> ever, if you update the mysql it will restart
[15:03] <wedo> I cannot remove it I cannot reinstall it too
[15:03] <starlook> remove of the list only
[15:03] <starlook> uncheck the mysql box
[15:03] <starlook> of all upgrad list
[15:05] <wedo> I do upgrade through konsole , how to exclude mysql from the upgrade process?
[15:07] <wedo> it hangs it this (point Preparing to replace mysql-server-5.1 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.3 (using .../mysql-server-5.1_5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10_i386.deb) ...)
[15:11] <wedo> any help??
[15:11] <ovidius> wedo: you could just use the gui-tool and try "apt-get -f install" from comman line before
[15:14] <wedo> ovidius: is there anyway to repair mysql?
[15:18] <yezi> 谁会改kubuntu右下角的图标
[15:18] <ovidius> wedo: i don't think it is broken. it just won't update. have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install" from command line?
[15:19] <yezi> 实在太难看了阿
[15:20] <genii-around> !cn | yezi
[15:21] <wedo> yes ovidius: I tried it and the uppgarde process went ok but mysql still has the same problem
[15:24] <ovidius> wedo: oh. is this something like your current problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1506533&page=2 ?
[15:26] <wedo> yes ovidius
[15:28] <ovidius> wedo: I suggest following the advice from #19 then. it will not damage anything and hopefully fix your problem.
[15:29] <samjnaa> hello
[15:29] <samjnaa> anyonehere?
[15:29] <samjnaa> i have a wireless problem on kubuntu natty narwhal
[15:29] <samjnaa> can anyone help me?
[15:29] <samjnaa> thanks
[15:31] <dniMretsaM> hello
[15:31] <wedo> thanks ovidius
[15:31] <samjnaa> hello
[15:32] <dniMretsaM> what's going on?
[15:33] <ovidius> samjnaa: what's the matter?
[15:35] <leumas> hi all
[15:35] <dniMretsaM> hey leumas
[15:36] <dniMretsaM> when I saw ur name, I thought it said luma (as in Super Mario Galaxy)
[15:36] <leumas> I am a newbie to Linux
[15:36] <samjnaa> hello ovidius
[15:36] <samjnaa> sorry for that late
[15:37] <samjnaa> have an atheros wirelss on my new laptop
[15:37] <samjnaa> kubuntu natty doesn't detect it
[15:37] <samjnaa> says "wireless disabled by hardware"
[15:37] <samjnaa> but in fact the wirelses+bluetooth swithc is on
[15:37] <leumas> Actually it is Samuel spelt backwards
[15:37] <samjnaa> and i am able to use bluetooth
[15:37] <samjnaa> the "enable wireless" in network manager applet is disabled
[15:37] <samjnaa> that's the situ
[15:39] <dniMretsaM> leumas: oh that's cool. another backwards name speller
[15:39] <ovidius> samjnaa: funny, the natty update has a major regression with certain bluetooth adapters (e.g. mine). Have you looked at the restricted drivers setting?
[15:40] <samjnaa> ovidius: if you mean the "additional driver" applet it says "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[15:41] <samjnaa> @ovidius: also as i said the prob is iwth wifi, and bluetooth is working for me
[15:41] <samjnaa> @ovidius: perhaps you meant wifi?
[15:41] <ovidius> samjnaa: no i meant bluetooth in the first part and asked for wifi in the second. sorry.
[15:42] <samjnaa> @ovidius: as i said there appear to be no proprietary drivers installed
[15:42] <ovidius> samjnaa: what model is your laptop?
[15:42] <samjnaa> @ovidius: Lenovo IdeaPad Z570
[15:42] <leumas> @dniMretsaM:yea
[15:43] <dniMretsaM> samjnaa: what is your WiFi card?
[15:43] <samjnaa> @ovidius: AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
[15:43] <samjnaa> @ovidius: as reported by lshw -C network
[15:43] <samjnaa> @ovidius: fwiw dmesg has entries with ath9k
[15:45] <dniMretsaM> is PCI-Express the brand?
[15:45] <samjnaa> @ovidius: http://paste.kde.org/85375/
[15:45] <leumas> samjnaa: maybe u shud try 'additional drivers' software and see if you wireless card driver will be recognised
[15:45] <ovidius> samjnaa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/780040 Looks familiar?
[15:45] <dniMretsaM> because I'm looking at the compatibility list in the wiki, and I don't see anything
[15:46] <dniMretsaM> leumas:  He did that already, i believe
[15:46] <samjnaa> @leumas: as i said the additional drivers applet says "no prop drivers in use"
[15:46] <disposable> my mouse in kde is too sensitive. lowering pointer acceleration in kde system settings improved the situation a bit, but values below 1.0x seem to have no effect. is there a way to lower the sensitivity in xorg.conf or something similar?
[15:46] <leumas> samjnaa: ok
[15:47] <dniMretsaM> samjnaa: is PCI-Express the brand?
[15:48] <samjnaa> oh sorry
[15:48] <samjnaa> was meaning to respond to that
[15:48] <samjnaa> pci express is a bus technology
[15:48] <dniMretsaM> lol that's k
[15:48] <dniMretsaM> don't really know what that means. what is the brand then?
[15:48] <samjnaa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci_express
[15:48] <samjnaa> as i said it's lenovo ideapad z570
[15:49] <dniMretsaM> isn't that the computer brand?
[15:49] <samjnaa> @ubottu thanks for teh bug point i no wsubscribed
[15:49] <samjnaa> yeah but what brand are oyu asking for
[15:49] <samjnaa> the wireless adapter is atheros
[15:49] <dniMretsaM> I meant the WiFi card brand
[15:50] <samjnaa> it's in builtin
[15:50] <samjnaa> wireless
[15:50] <samjnaa> atheros
[15:50] <dniMretsaM> I don't see that name in the wiki
[15:50] <dniMretsaM> so no help from there.
[15:51] <samjnaa> hm
[15:51] <leumas> Can anyone explain wht happened to Broadcom wireless drivers?
[15:52] <ovidius> samjaa: look at the bug report. there is an open bug with your laptop's wireless card. i suggest trying ndiswrapper, which might help.
[15:52] <samjnaa> so far there are some solutioons found by searching on ubuntuforums (there's even one sticky) but all are for broadcom
[15:52] <leumas> I can't activate mine in my laptop
[15:52] <samjnaa> for broadcom
[15:52] <samjnaa> http://computerandu.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/how-to-solve-no-wireless-networks-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[15:52] <samjnaa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1786705&highlight=natty+wireless
[15:53] <ovidius> have to go now, bye all
[15:53] <samjnaa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604868&highlight=natty+wireless
[15:53] <samjnaa> ok thanks ovidus
[15:53] <samjnaa> ovidius
[15:53] <dniMretsaM> yeah, broadcom requires the NDISWrapper or whatever
[15:53] <dniMretsaM> bye and good luck
[15:53] <samjnaa> well on my other older atheros wifi on my older comaq presario c771tu does work
[16:01] <duckx0r> How do you set the greediness of the regular expression search and replace in kate?
[16:04] <samjnaa> OK all thanks bye
[16:04] <samjnaa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10964409#post10964409
[16:04] <samjnaa> fwiw
[16:05] <samjnaa> bye
[16:10] <duckx0r> Or how would I replace multiple things on the same line? I'm trying to replace \$settings\['(.*)\'\] with $GLOBALS['settings']['\1'], but if there is more than one occurrence per line, it only replaces the first one.
[16:30] <Goliath> Hey i am using kubuntu. what package do i have to install so i have ubuntu? ubuntu-desktop ?
[16:30] <duckx0r> Goliath, yes
[16:31] <duckx0r> Goliath, you will then have both KDE and Gnome
[16:31] <dniMretsaM> KDE and GNOME together tend to cause problems
[16:32] <BluesKaj> plus a whole lot of redundant applications :)
[16:33] <duckx0r> Problems? How so?
[16:33] <dniMretsaM> check out this site for switching completely: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[16:34] <dniMretsaM> I don't know how, I just know that people come on here with problems and they have both KDE and GNOME. then they remove GNOME and the go away
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Goliath, asking the same question here as in #ubuntu is considered discourteous
[16:34] <duckx0r> I have both installed on at least 3 computers with no problems at all on any
[16:35] <dniMretsaM> good for u. it's probably just an individual thing
[16:35] <dniMretsaM> like every other Linux problem, lol
[16:35] <BluesKaj> a lot of laptop users are switching to gnome due to the poor wifi support on kde
[16:36] <duckx0r> Neither gnome nor kde nor the latest kernel supports the ridiculous wi-fi card in this laptop
[16:36] <BluesKaj> unless thery'r b43 or ath5/9
[16:36] <dniMretsaM> I hav a desktop so no worries on that end
[16:36] <duckx0r> I have to use wicd to get it to work
[16:37] <dniMretsaM> the problem is, it's an old desktop...
[16:37] <BluesKaj> duckx0r, even wicd isn't the great saviour it once was
[16:39] <duckx0r> BluesKaj, well at least it works... with 2.6.35-28 kernel
[16:39] <BluesKaj> maverick ?
[16:40] <duckx0r> I'm running natty with maverick kernel
[16:41] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:43] <BluesKaj> oneiric here , not impressed with new 3.0-1 kernel ..xbmc is not working right dropping 4 out of 5 frames while playing a movie ...vlc to the rescue
[16:45] <freedom> i have problem with my graphic card  ?
[16:46] <freedom> nvidia 8400 gt
[16:46] <BluesKaj> freedom, which card and what problem?
[16:46] <dniMretsaM> freedom: what's happening?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> laptop freedom ?
[16:47] <freedom> home computer ,my screen hangs sometimes, or colors messing
[16:48] <freedom> would you help me /
[16:48] <freedom> i have this problem since i installed natty
[16:49] <freedom> BluesKaj: , dniMretsaM ?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> freedom, open the kmenu>applications>system>additional drivers ..choose the recommended driver and enable it
[16:50] <freedom> i did it like ! routin
[16:50] <freedom> BluesKaj:  i did it like ! routin
[16:51] <BluesKaj> freedom, well I had to ask
[16:51] <freedom> thanks a lot
[16:51] <freedom> BluesKaj: i didnt have this problem with maverick but now ...
[16:52] <BluesKaj> it's odd tho freedom , I have a 8400gs card and I had no probs at all
[16:54] <freedom> BluesKaj: dont know ,It annoy me (I love kubuntu and open source but ....)
[16:56] <BluesKaj> freedom, I usually don't recommend proprietary drivers , but maybe in your case you should check the nvidia website for the 8400gt linux driver
[17:02] <BluesKaj> freedom, in the terminal : apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[17:04] <BluesKaj> the nvidia site recommends 275.09.07
[17:10] <ironfroggy> I have done an install on a box with two harddrives and then i removed one of the harddrives, which i did not install on
[17:11] <ironfroggy> now it wont boot and i think the MBR was on that harddrive i removed. how do i add an MBR to the drive i have now without reinstalling?
[17:11] <ikonia> !grub2 > ironfroggy
[17:11] <ikonia> ironfroggy: check the link ubottu sent you, it explains how to apply grub to a hard disk
[17:12] <ironfroggy> thansk
[17:13] <ironfroggy> so boot-repair is not available on a standard live CD?
[17:22] <zippy>  !grub2
[17:47] <iconmefisto> I was just googling rekonq and read that last year there was someone working on adding chrome extensions to it. Are chrome extensions working with rekonq in kubuntu 10.10 maverick?
[17:49] <IAmError_> Hello. I'm having an issue with my Update Manager. It won't connect to the internet, and gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/mJsDwYeZ
[17:52] <Pici> IAmError_: It looks like the repository that you have listed there no longer exists... also.. we highly suggest against using repos intended for debian on Ubuntu,
[17:53] <IAmError_> Pici: I have no idea how to change that though. I just installed Ubuntu, downloaded the KDE Plasma Desktop, and am having problems.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> IAmError_, install kubuntu-desktop
[17:54] <IAmError_> BluesKaj, I have done that and Im on it now.
[17:57] <IAmError_> I just need to know if it's not getting updates for that link it showed in the error, or if I'm not getting updates all together.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> !repositories | IAmError_
[18:00] <Pici> IAmError_: I don't know where that repository came from, but its not an official one.
[18:01] <BluesKaj> IAmError_, you need to have the right repositories enable  to upgrade from them
[18:01] <BluesKaj> enabled
[18:02] <IAmError_> Apparently its something called the "looking glass desktop"?
[18:02] <IAmError_> And I can remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list and that'll fix it?
[18:04] <IAmError_> Nvm. I removed it and it worked. For whatever reason with that enabled it wouldn't update my package info.
[19:00] <noaXess> hey all
[19:01] <noaXess> i have some saved window position and size if i work with two displays... but if i only work with one display.. i get some strange window position.. so i need to move those windows.. is there any way to have.. two window position profiles.. or similar?
[19:12] <excognac> I'm about to love kde, bloody panel eh...
[19:14] <Linkmaster> excognac: whats wrong with it?
[19:14] <excognac> I messed it up...
[19:17] <Linkmaster> That doesn't give us much information, I could help if I knew whats wrong with it
[19:18] <excognac> well, sorry i  just tried to google it
[19:18] <excognac> is there any way to set it back to defaul;ts?
[19:18] <Linkmaster> I know how to completely default your KDE if you want that, though whats wrong with the panel? I can attempt to help reverse any damage to that as wel
[19:18] <Linkmaster> *well
[19:20] <excognac> oh thank you so much. so
[19:21] <Linkmaster> Do you want to see if we can fix the panel, or just default everything?
[19:21] <excognac> Well, if there is any method to set only the panel back to defaults, would be great...
[19:23] <Linkmaster> First, tell me whats wrong with the panel
[19:24] <excognac> I have a duplicate widget, it does not moving things right if i give this option in more options..
[19:24] <Linkmaster> have you first tried to unlock the widgets, then go to panel settings?
[19:25] <anoneemouse> hi. is there a way to make my widgets remember their sizes after i log out... esp the facebook widget
[19:25] <excognac> well, they are unlocked
[19:25] <Linkmaster> Because if you wish to, you can unlock widgets -> right click on panel -> panel settings -> add panel -> default panel and see what that gives for you excognac
[19:26] <Linkmaster> anoneemouse: try sizing them how you want them to be, then lock the widgets. See if that works
[19:26] <iconmefisto> to get the default panel back, 1. stop plasma-desktop 2. delete .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc 3. restart plasma-desktop
[19:26] <anoneemouse> Linkmaster: that does, until i log out and back in again, then they reset to default size, it might be specific to the facebook widget
[19:27] <Linkmaster> anoneemouse: thats possible, and iconmefisto I was trying to find that in the .kde file to figure that way out as well
[19:27] <excognac> Linkmaster: Bah, I knew it supposed to be so easy, thank you so much
[19:27] <pvandewyngaerde> hello, is there a daily build of kubuntu 11.10 with the latest daily kde ??
[19:27] <Linkmaster> glad that it worked out for you
[19:28] <Linkmaster> pvandewyngaerde: I know that project neon gives the latest for 4.7, I'm not sure about 11.10 since I'm not using that at all
[19:28] <anoneemouse> did you find a way Linkmaster?
[19:29] <Linkmaster> anoneemouse: I'm not entirely sure, all my widgets stay the same size whenever I move/resize/whatnot to them...is it ONLY the facebook widget, or all of them?
[19:30] <anoneemouse> it seems like only the facebook widget
[19:31] <Linkmaster> It could be relevant to the facebook widget then. I don't bother with it, so I don't know what it is really
[19:32] <iconmefisto> anoneemouse: I have the facebook widget on one desktop, it never remembers it's size for me either
[19:33] <anoneemouse> iconmefisto: its pretty irritating, because i like to have my widgets aligned, which is already a PITA
[19:35] <iconmefisto> anoneemouse: yeah, I want the fb widget covering the entire 2nd desktop, but it won't stay that way. annoying. maybe there's an alternative widget? have you searched for one?
[19:36] <anoneemouse> there are 3 or more versions of the facebook widget on opendesktop. i had to install the one with the blocking pinging fix, because the other one was causing my login to fail when the network was down
[19:38] <anoneemouse> i see there is a facebook-qml, but according to the description it's broken
[19:39] <iconmefisto> anoneemouse: and the blocked pinging one, does it remember size after logout?
[19:40] <anoneemouse> no, but it might have been updated since. It really is bad though, you end up with just a black screen after login
[19:43] <trtwiggy> Is there anything special I should be aware of for Kubuntu x64?
[19:43] <anoneemouse> trtwiggy: it works great for me! Nothing bad to report here
[19:44] <trtwiggy> Ok awesome thats what I needed to know thank you
[19:44] <anoneemouse> no prob
[19:46] <szal> !pm | em
[20:21] <excognac> ouch, all menus appear slowly, cube animation fails, everything is vibrating.  This currently has caused quite a bit of drawing/rendering slowness, try turning it off and see what happens
[20:23] <excognac> I rI also removed epiphany ages ago and it is still in my menubar....
[20:24] <Linkmaster> Did you remove epiphany through the package manager of choice?
[20:24] <excognac> Oops this chat slowed down too, so I just can hope that you will this message, It does not rolls forward..
[20:26] <excognac> I think so or rather apt-get remove
[20:28] <Linkmaster> Not sure why its still showing up then
[20:29] <Linkmaster> If you had use purge rather then remove, it'll get rid of the configuration files as well, and I believe that'll remove the entry
[20:29] <Linkmaster> have you tried to turn off blur though?
[20:29] <excognac> had to restart
[20:30] <noaXess> i have some saved window position and size if i work with two displays... but if i only work with one display.. i get some strange window position.. so i need to move those windows.. is there any way to have.. two window position profiles.. or similar?
[20:30] <blip99> hi, anyone know any graphical SMB share folder managers ? Dolphin under KDE is not able to authenticate into the protected folders on my SMB share
[20:31] <excognac> So, which animations and effects are memory consuming?
[20:32] <excognac> all, I know, but which supposed to be turned off
[20:32] <Linkmaster> excognac: turn off blur
[20:33] <darko_> hi can anyone help me with a problem in ubuntu desktop?
[20:33] <darko_> kubuntu desktop
[20:33] <Linkmaster> after doing that, you should[hopefully] have increased speed
[20:33] <Linkmaster> darko_: whats wrong?
[20:34] <darko_> ?
[20:34] <darko_> hi linkmaster, when you run a sesion in kubuntu, in the desktop there is a square where you put the shortcuts of the desktop
[20:34] <darko_> do you understand me?
[20:34] <Linkmaster> Yeah, the desktop folder
[20:34] <darko_> exactly
[20:34] <excognac> btw, how do i test the system (beside using it)?
[20:34] <Linkmaster> darko_: did it disappear?
[20:34] <darko_> do you remember how to recover it
[20:34] <darko_> ?
[20:35] <darko_> yes Link
[20:35] <Linkmaster> haha, I figured thats what you wanted. here do this:
[20:35] <Quintasan> excognac: AFAIK there is no automated testing system for desktop :P
[20:35] <darko_> thanks man, im new in kubuntu
[20:35] <darko_> always using gnome
[20:36] <excognac> :(
[20:37] <Linkmaster> darko_: unlock widgets and open up dolphin. Drag any old folder to the desktop, and select "folder view" NOT 'icon'. once you do that, hover your mouse on it until you see a configuration bar come up, and click the wrench. go to 'location' on the tab bar on the left, and select "show the desktop folder"
[20:37] <Quintasan> excognac: No seriously, it would be hard to do, just use the system as you usually do and if anything is wrong then report it
[20:37] <darko_> exco do you refer as a live session iwthour install the system?
[20:37] <darko_> thanks
[20:37] <Linkmaster> np
[20:39] <excognac>  so there is no such way to test if i fitted well kubuntu on this new machine. Well, thank you anyway. I switched from Unity, cos that was a mess and never wanted work properly. At least kubi was fine for 3 days.
[20:39] <excognac> all gnome applications should work fine on kde, right?
[20:40] <Linkmaster> excognac: other then a few small integration issues, yes
[20:41] <Linkmaster> if you install GTK apps, I suggest you to install 'qtcurve' and the other suggested packages so that it transitions easier
[20:41] <darko_> thanks link it works
[20:41] <Linkmaster> darko_: you're welcoem
[20:42] <darko_> ok, if i can help in anything, only ask me
[20:44] <Linkmaster> darko_: use the system, and get as many people as you know to transition to it. The more people, the better
[20:44] <darko_> ok link,
[20:44] <darko_> :)
[20:47] <excognac> thanks, I am installing pretty fancy stuff e.g. molecule builders and viewers, so I'd be quite happy if all would work smoothly.
[20:48] <Linkmaster> It should work fine
[20:49] <excognac> very amateur question: is there apt-get autopurge command? in case yes, what does it exactly do>?
[20:50] <Linkmaster> no, there is the 'apt-get purge _program_' and the 'apt-get autoremove'. The first completely removes the program and its configuration scripts, the second removes any orphaned dependencies
[20:54] <excognac> thanks, so with apt-get autoremove ENTER i remove the rubbish,m right?
[20:55] <Linkmaster> yep
[20:56] <excognac> so now disappeared the useless epiphany menu too:)
[20:58] <excognac> now i just need to setup evolution and system will be on the very way to perfection
[21:29] <pnh_>  Hi everyone , Whenever I try to run kontact I'm getting this error: http://paste.kde.org/85609/   (distribution related as told by kde developers )   I'm using kubuntu 11.04, kde 4.6 ... Can someone help me to get rid of this error please?
[21:48] <freinhard> hi!
[21:48] <freinhard> are there 11.04 packages of the recently release kdepim?
[22:02] <BluesKaj> freinhard, look in the package manager, if you are kde 4.4+ then kdepim should be available
[22:04] <Guest51039> hi all, i've finished a fresh kubuntu installation. it's kind of weird that there is no xorg.conf, neither in /etc/X11 nor in the entire file system. where has it gone ?
[22:07] <iconmefisto> Guest51039: that's normal these days
[22:16] <Guest51039> iconmefisto: k, i admit my last installation is some years ago. :) fair enough, here's my issue: i'd like to have multiple screens work. at first it worked fine out of the box, however, kde performance was incredibly bad. so i installed fglrx for my radeon. after that performance was alright, however, only one screen was recognized.  to cut a long story short, that made me take a look into the vanished xorg.conf. so, where do
[22:16] <Guest51039> you configure X now?
[22:17] <iconmefisto> Guest51039: xrandr is probably what you should look into for dual monitor setup
[22:18] <iconmefisto> you can still create xorg.conf and edit it
[22:18] <iconmefisto> !xorg.conf
[22:19] <iconmefisto> Guest51039: try that link ^^
[22:20] <Guest51039> iconmefisto: & ubottu , thanks, i'll have a look!
[23:01] <excognac> how is that possible that there are file's in my desktop folder but not actually displayed on the desktop?
[23:07] <TheBuntu> any other qt web browsers besides rekong .. konqueror and arora.... Seems like there the best for facebook
[23:31] <excognac> ??


[00:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Have you guys seen the tuxradar comparision of Ubuntu versions vs Windows versions? It's very flattering
[00:02] <IntuitiveNipple> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7
[00:04] <EagleScreen> Ubuntu can skip a routine file system check with ESC key, it is necessary to use usplash to have this feature?
[00:05] <EagleScreen> is this a Ubuntu specific patch or a feature from upstream?
[00:10] <sladen> EagleScreen: read /etc/init.d/check*.sh
[00:11] <sladen> EagleScreen: the actual magic is in /lib/init/usplash-fsck-functions.sh
[00:14] <EagleScreen> thanks
[00:43] <directhex> .topic
[00:43] <directhex> bah
[00:55] <gimpscape_> hi
[00:55] <gimpscape_> I have installed one package using this command: sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture qbittorrent_1.3.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[00:55] <gimpscape_> and know I'm unable to remove it, it simply doesn't show in any package manager, just like it would not be installed
[00:56] <gimpscape_> but I can see qbittorrent file all over the system
[00:56] <gimpscape_> isn't it a very serious bug?
[00:57] <gimpscape_> s/and know/and now
[01:00] <Hobbsee> gimpscape_: i believe you want #ubuntu for support.
[01:02] <gimpscape_> Hobbsee: so this is not dpkg bug? I have done something wrong?
[01:02] <ion_> Also, you probably shouldn’t blame dpkg for something going wrong with --force.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ion_: exactly
[01:02] <gimpscape_> I thought that --force-architecture is safe...
[01:02] <directhex> dpkg --purge qbittorrent
[01:02] <gimpscape_> directhex: already tried that
[01:03] <gimpscape_> directhex: E: Couldn't find package qbittorrent
[01:03] <ion_> “Warning:  These  options  are mostly intended to be used by experts only. Using them without fully understanding their effects may break your whole system.” –dpkg(1)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> dpkg -r qbittorrent, then.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> according to man dpkg.
[01:04] <directhex> i blame qt. this wouldn't happen with some nice arch-all mono stuff ;)
[01:04] <gimpscape_> Hobbsee: ohh... you are right
[01:04] <gimpscape_> Hobbsee: that fixed the problem
[01:04] <gimpscape_> sorry for asking lame questions here, I should read the man
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yes, probably.  and failing that, there's #ubuntu for support ;)
[08:21] <calc> does our rpm2cpio not extract modern rpms (eg OpenSUSE rpms)?
[08:23] <calc> ug debian bug 509444
[08:24]  * calc needs to be able to unpack them :\
[08:31] <sbeattie> calc: odd. What do you need?
[08:35] <calc> sbeattie: i found the solution with some help from #opensuse
[08:35] <calc> you now have to do 'cat | rpm2cpio | lzma -d | cpio -ivd'
[08:36] <calc> i followed up to the debian bug report about the issue as well
[08:37] <ion_> UUOC ;-)
[08:37] <calc> well makes it more clear ;-)
[08:40] <calc> so currently rpm2cpio is actually rpm to blob ;)
[08:49] <Riddell> mathiaz: I uploaded amarok, do you want to revert the changes to mysql-dfsg-5.1?  (I'd do it but I see you made changes in the mean time so probably best you re-merge those in)
[08:49] <mathiaz> Riddell: I'll take care of the mysql package now that amarok has been updated.
[09:14] <lool> seb128: Hmm bug-buddy recommends gnome-dbg; that's kind of pulling a lot
[09:17] <seb128> lool: that's coming from debian
[09:21] <lool> seb128: I know :)
[09:21] <lool> seb128: I'm pushing a fixed package
[09:21] <lool> seb128: I wanted to tell you so that you check for such recommends in the future
[09:22] <directhex> is alpha 4 done? can i administer a mild poke for a couple of sync bugs?
[09:23] <seb128> lool: well the idea was to try to make sure upstream gets decent stacktraces I think
[09:23] <seb128> directhex: yes and later
[09:23] <lool> seb128: That might be a good idea on Debian, but shouldn't Ubuintu users use -dbgsyms instead?
[09:24] <seb128> lool: ubuntu users should use apport ;-)
[09:24] <seb128> I've no real strong opinion on bug-buddy in ubuntu
[09:24] <lool> I don't know why I got bug-buddy at all in fact
[09:36] <Riddell> mvo: update-notifier-kde uploaded, you can mark your branch as merged
[09:36] <mvo> Riddell: what was the branch url again?
[09:37] <Riddell> mvo: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/update-notifier-kde/mvo
[09:37] <mvo> thanks Riddell
[10:21] <GyrosGeier> hi
[10:23] <GyrosGeier> I'm packaging a web app, targetting hardy. Is there infrastructure for web apps in hardy already that I could use (webapps-common doesn't seem to exist) or do I need to reinvent the wheel
[11:14] <seb128> StevenK: could you look at bug #294271, it's a tsclient sponsoring request for a bug in the hildonize changes
[11:17] <StevenK> seb128: Good idea. I'll drop the hildonfm change while I'm at it
[11:17] <seb128> StevenK: ok ;-)
[12:41] <dholbach> seb128: where's your magic "this needs updating" page?
[12:41] <dholbach> or norsetto's rather
[12:41] <seb128> pochu: ^ do you know the url?
[12:41] <seb128> dholbach: let me look for it
[12:42] <pochu> yeah, sec
[12:42] <dholbach> seb128: want to show an "update" example - give me an easy one :)
[12:42] <dholbach> seb128: ... for jcastro
[12:42] <pochu> dholbach: http://norsetto.890m.com/desktop_packages.php
[12:42] <jcastro> seb128: make it easy. ;)
[12:42] <seb128> dholbach: vinagre
[12:43] <dholbach> http://norsetto.890m.com/desktop_packages.php ?
[12:43] <dholbach> :)
[12:43] <dholbach> awesome
[12:43] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/vinagre/2.25/vinagre-2.25.90.tar.gz
[12:43] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/vino/2.25/vino-2.25.90.tar.gz should be easy too if you want an another one
[12:43] <dholbach> thanks a bunch seb128 :)
[12:43] <dholbach> thanks pochu too
[12:43] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:44] <seb128> dholbach: otherwise since that's jcastro you can update the rhythmbox snapshot to current svn if you want ;-)
[12:45] <dholbach> :-)
[12:45] <directhex> why does norsetto's page track sid for some & exp for others?
[12:46] <directhex> 'cos debian has a cleaner newer f-spot than ubuntu
[12:48] <seb128> directhex: "cleaner"? the version uploaded to debian is basically the jaunty version no?
[12:48] <directhex> seb128, it bundles a private copy of mono.addins iirc. and there's the whole NBS issue too
[12:49] <seb128> we should just stop using mono in the default install ;-)
[12:51] <directhex> seb128, or core devs should stop leaping behind desks & hiding whenever i open my gob and the word "sync" comes out
[12:51] <directhex> one or t'other
[12:51] <seb128> ?
[12:53] <directhex> mono-related blocking sync/merge bugs can take a rather long time before anyone goes near them, unless i sit & poke people individually, IME
[12:53] <seb128> directhex: should f-spot be synced?
[12:53] <seb128> directhex: we do syncs several times a week
[12:53] <directhex> seb128, f-spot blocks on mono.addins 0.4
[13:01] <seb128> directhex: there is no mono syncs waiting
[13:02] <directhex> bug 323790
[13:02] <directhex> bug 324741
[13:02] <directhex> bug 323948
[13:02] <directhex> bug 323542
[13:02] <seb128> directhex: ubuntu-archive is not subscribed so they are not listed on the ubuntu-archive todolist
[13:03] <seb128> no wonder it takes a while
[13:03] <StevenK> Maybe they need sponsorship
[13:03] <seb128> yeah just pointing that ubuntu-archive is not the blocker there
[13:04] <StevenK> u-m-s is the blocker
[13:04] <directhex> i wasn't moaning at -archive, i was moaning in general. it's cathartic
[13:04] <StevenK> Moan at dholbach
[13:04] <ScottK> cathartic/demotivating for sponsors.
[13:04] <dholbach> StevenK: ?
[13:19] <dholbach> pochu, seb128: I'll just upload jcastro's vinagre update - it's good work!
[13:25] <seb128> dholbach: excellent!
[13:26] <dholbach> vino next!
[13:27] <slangasek> mvo: bug #247130 :)
[13:27] <slangasek> mvo: so maybe that only applies to downgrades
[13:27] <slangasek> and maybe it's not an update-notifier problem at all
[13:34] <slangasek> mvo: ok - I've confirmed that this problem doesn't show up with pinning a package at an earlier version
[13:34] <slangasek> mvo: so you can continue to ignore that bug ;)
[13:35] <mvo> slangasek: :) excellent! I *think* there is a bug with packages on hold though, so your concern is very valid
[13:37] <ScottK> mvo: I did some discussing with other backports people and I think everyone is behind the not-automatic idea for backports.  Do you think there's a chance for getting that merged in this cycle?
[13:38] <mvo> ScottK: thanks for leading this discussion, I think chances are very good
[13:38] <mvo> scottK especially if there is interesst like this in it now
[13:38] <ScottK> mvo: There is.  It's our biggest usabiltiy problem in backports.
[13:39] <ScottK> It's the reason that for many users places like getdeb are better for them than official backports even though the packages are technically inferior.
[13:41] <mvo> right, I will cleanup/merge the branch soonish (hopefully early next week)
[13:42] <pochu> dholbach: cool :)
[13:43] <ScottK> mvo: Great.  I appreciate the effort.  We all do.
[13:47] <hwilde> anybody happen to know how to supress this alarmist error from syslog   TCP: Treason uncloaked!
[13:47] <StevenK> Fix the sender's TCP stack
[13:48] <hwilde> hehe
[13:49] <hwilde> note I said supress the error from syslog, not resolve the remote tcp window issue
[13:49] <hwilde> it looks scary and gets people all excited for no reason...
[14:51] <RainCT> mvo: Hey
[14:56] <mvo> hey RainCT
[14:58] <RainCT> mvo: what do you think about adding an option to apturl to enable PPAs? (ie, fetching the key et all)
[15:00] <ScottK> RainCT: How about we add getdeb too?
[15:01] <RainCT> ScottK: that's ironic?   (if not, that option should work for any archive, not only Launchpad PPAs)
[15:02] <ScottK> RainCT: Yes it's ironic.  PPAs are not at all more trusted because they are hosted on Launchpad.
[15:02] <ebroder> Does anyone know if Ubuntu's changes to xserver-xorg-video-ati are in a git repo anywhere? They don't seem to be in the repo in the Vcs-Git field
[15:02] <ScottK> There's no reason they should be treated specially and lots of reason they should not.
[15:02] <ebroder> (Or a not-git repo anywhere)
[15:03] <ScottK> RainCT: I guess I don't understand the rationale for simplifying addition of untrusted repositories.
[15:03] <RainCT> ScottK: So? Where's the difference between copying a line inside the box in System -> Administration -> Software Sources or clicking on a link and then on a confirmation dialogue explaining what adding a repo means (and that it can be dangerous)?
[15:04] <RainCT> The later one is more convenient as it saves some clicks (especially those for the GPG key, which else many people may just leave out), but having to do those extra clicks won't stop anyone from adding repos
[15:05] <ScottK> I can see a benifit from making it easier to get the gpg key as that gives assurance you're at least getting what you asked for.
[15:07] <RainCT> Related to this, is there some reason why apt has it's own keys and doesn't use those which gpg has available?
[15:07] <soren> Strictly speaking, I do think PPA's are more trusted because they're hosted on Launchpad. It's a trusted build environment, and if you're concerned you can go look at the source.
[15:08] <pochu> RainCT: it runs as root and your own keys are in /home/me could be one of them
[15:08] <RainCT> pochu: ah, of course :P
[15:08] <soren> Other provideres of repositories could be putting backdooers or whatever into the binaries even if they publish the source.
[15:08] <soren> s/backdooers/backdoors/
[15:08] <ScottK> soren: It is a trusted build environment, but since anything can be in the source, unless you know and specifically trust the PPA owner the trust level is still none.
[15:09] <soren> ScottK: You can go look at the source, if you please.
[15:09] <ScottK> If you're going to audit the source before installing then it's more trusted.
[15:09] <RainCT> ScottK: Yes, but having to do like 5 clicks more won't change the trust level someone has when he adds a repo.
[15:09] <soren> That's the point. You're guaranteed to be able to do that.
[15:09] <ScottK> I think the fraction of the user base that's relevant to is nil.
[15:10] <RainCT> (Ah, and is there anything new about the "trusted PPAs" idea?)
[15:11] <ScottK> RainCT: There is a spec for trusted third party repositories.
[15:12] <soren> ScottK: I disagree.
[15:13] <ScottK> soren: The source is of zero use to viritually all users.
[15:14] <soren> ScottK: This is not a unique properrty of PPA's.
[15:14] <ScottK> This is true, but in the distro archive we have certain processes in place to minize risk of something unfortunate ending up in the archive.
[15:15] <ScottK> None of which there is any assurance exist for some random PPA.
[15:16] <soren> ScottK: To me, it makes a big difference that if I had concerns of any kind, it's guaranteed that I can go look at the source.
[15:16] <ScottK> soren: Sure, for you, but not for the average user.
[15:16] <soren> I'm not talking about average users..
[15:17] <soren> "PPAs are not at all more trusted because they are hosted on Launchpad." does not mention average useres.
[15:17] <soren> It speaks in absolutes.
[15:17] <soren> I don't like absolutes.
[15:17] <soren> Usually.
[15:17] <ScottK> The topic at hand is making it easier for end users to add PPAs, so that's the relevant audience.
[15:18] <ScottK> For that audience, I think that source availability is irrelevant.
[15:18] <Turl> hello
[15:18] <Turl> what's the difference between cruft remover and "computer janitor" packages, if any?
[15:18] <soren> ScottK: Again, that is not a unique feature for PPA's.
[15:19] <soren> ScottK: and to the group of individuals where it makes a difference, it is a very signification difference.
[15:19] <soren> "signification"?
[15:19] <soren> I must be tired.
[15:19] <Turl> cruft-remover=system-cleaner, computer janitor=computer-janitor(-gtk)
[15:19] <soren> s/signification/significant/
[15:19] <RainCT> ScottK: My point is that making it easier is not going to increase the number of people using PPAs (as if they want one they'll add it even if it requires a few clicks more), but it is going to improve their experience.
[15:20] <ScottK> soren: I agree that for people who can make use of the source it's a significant difference.  A very significant difference.
[15:20] <pochu> Turl: it's the same one, has been renamed
[15:20] <Turl> pochu: ok, thanks :)
[15:20] <Turl> pochu: btw, the new one doesn't have an icon
[15:21] <ScottK> RainCT: Of course the easiest user experience would be to have a feature to enable all PPAs by default.
[15:21] <ScottK> Now that's obviously not something we'd want to do.
[15:21] <ScottK> And I think all the same reasons we don't want to do that, we don't want to make it easier.
[15:21] <Mithrandir> sounds like we might want to have a way of signalling that some PPAs are more safe than others.
[15:22] <Mithrandir> like, have the numbers of computers fetching from each of them publically visible, or something along those lines.
[15:22] <ScottK> Personally, I'd place trust more in who has upload rights than how many people use it.
[15:23] <pochu> for stable software, we should rather encourage people to use backports
[15:23] <ScottK> I could see putting some kind of trust related seal on a PPA that only core-dev could upload to.
[15:23] <ScottK> Yes
[15:25] <Mithrandir> ScottK: by choice from the owner of the PPA or something then.  I'd rather not have my personal PPA marked as high quality, since I might end up putting junk there.
[15:26] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:26] <Mithrandir> (given that I don't believe many/any other than I use it)
[15:26] <ScottK> In Kubuntu we have a kubuntu-experimental PPA that we put all kinds of warnings all over.
[15:26] <ScottK> It doesn't seem to stop anyone.
[15:27] <pochu> ScottK: P3As for the rescue :P
[15:27] <ScottK> That kind of limits your target audience and they're a pain to deal with with some of the usual tools.
[15:28] <ScottK> We actually have one of those too for packaging new KDE releases where we get the tarballs pre-release.
[15:33] <ScottK> soren: To get back to your question about absolutes, I think of trust as multiplicative in this case (for the average user) and so as soon as you have an untrusted uploader trust is 0 and it really doesn't matter what you multiply that by, it'll be 0.
[15:47] <RainCT> Well, leaving apturl for now, is there some reason why Software Sources doesn't get the GPG keys itself (other than, because nobody has implemented this)?
[15:47] <cody-somerville> pitti, ping
[15:47] <pitti> cody-somerville: pong
[15:49] <cody-somerville> pitti, Apologizes for the lack of communication on my behalf about the Xfce4 updates in -proposed that Michael prepared. We're looking to push the Xfce 4.4.3 bug fix point release to -updates for 8.10.
[15:50] <ScottK> RainCT: You do want key adding to be manual because you don't want to automate the decision to trust a repo too much.  I agree though that it ought to be easy as we do want users to actually use the keys.
[15:51] <calc> will we be putting up the release schedule for K anytime soon?
[15:51] <RainCT> Uhm.. Perhaps just having a link to download a .key file on Launchpad
[15:51] <RainCT> would be enough. Having to go to the keyserver, select the text and save it as a new file is quite annoying.
[15:54] <ScottK> You don't actually have to do that.
[15:54]  * ScottK tries to remember where he found the other way ...
[15:55] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:56] <ScottK> RainCT: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding the keys in the terminal
[15:58] <RainCT> ScottK: Yeah, I know. But, Ubuntu is GNU/Linux for human beings, remember? :P
[15:58] <maxb> Bit overcomplicated. Just use: wget -O- 'http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xB0BE17C2A0C914F086B7B8327D2C7A23BF810CD5&op=get' | sudo apt-key add -
[15:58] <ScottK> RainCT: Right, but in this case I think that's easier than the save a file approach.
[15:59] <RainCT> ScottK: for us yes, but not for the average user
[16:00] <ScottK> LP could generate a per PPA snippet like they do for sources.list and just say, copy/paste this is a terminal.
[16:01] <RainCT> (The snippet it gives currently can also be pasted into Software Sources)
[16:07] <mvo> RainCT: sorry, I was disctracted. the problem with adding ppas easily is that it opens the door for all sorts of spyware/malware potentially
[16:07] <cjwatson> RainCT: why it doesn't get the GPG keys> also that PPAs have only been signed for roughly five minutes, I would expect ;-)
[16:08] <RainCT> heh
[16:08] <cjwatson> but I agree with others, "is a PPA" is a ridiculously low bar for anything
[16:09] <cjwatson> I do think we should add an easier *command-line* way to add a key
[16:09] <cjwatson> apt-key recv KEYID or something
[16:09] <cjwatson> actually, can't apt-key adv do that?
[16:10] <cjwatson> aha, yes it can. We should simplify the PPA instructions
[16:10] <cjwatson> $ sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 8C6C1EFD
[16:11] <cody-somerville> What about adding a dialogue to software properties to make that easy?
[16:12] <cjwatson> scroll up
[16:12] <cjwatson> circular arguments get tiresome :)
[16:12] <ogra> but round :)
[16:13] <slangasek> a circular argument gathers no code
[16:13] <cjwatson> mrevell told me he's going to update help.launchpad.net for that, since we apparently have a bit of parallel invention with cprov
[16:15] <soren> I like circular arguments. They lack loose ends.
[16:16] <pochu> what about circular footnotes?
[16:38] <ScottK> If the desk isn't level they'll roll off on the floor
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/tmp$ killall -9 gtk-gnash
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/tmp$ ps -e|grep gnash|grep defunct|wc -l
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> 46
[17:29] <bluefoxicy> :|
[17:31] <maxb> bluefoxicy: A defunct process is not actually running
[17:31] <bluefoxicy> maxb: I killed firefox because it wasn't actually painting the window anymore.
[17:31] <bluefoxicy> it killed all the defunct gnashes
[17:31] <maxb> It's one which has quit, but metadata concerning it is still occupying its PID, etc.
[17:32] <bluefoxicy> there's always a billion gtk-gnash processes running
[17:32] <maxb> The metadata disappears once the parent process acknowledges it
[17:32] <maxb> Or the parent process disappears, in which case the defunct processes get reparented on init, which acknowledges them
[17:33] <maxb> Hence why they disappear when you close firefox
[17:56] <Notch-1> excuse me, my cdrom drive it's gone, but i have ubuntu already installed on hda, how can i install ubuntu on hdb? (using the iso image and ubuquity, i suppose...)
[17:57] <jpds> Notch-1: Make a bootable USB with System -> Admin -> Boot USB?
[17:57] <jpds> And #ubuntu might be a better place to ask.
[17:58] <Notch-1> yes, is there another way? i'm running out of pendrive :P
[17:58] <Notch-1> nobody answer on #ubuntu...
[17:59] <jdong> well it is a difficult question you posed with your set of restrictions
[17:59] <Notch-1> i know :P
[17:59] <jdong> sure there are ways, but fairly troublesome when you neither want to use a CD installer nor a bootable USB medium.
[17:59] <jdong> I'd honestly suggest copying your current installation to that drive
[17:59] <jpds> Notch-1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[18:01] <Notch-1> ah fine, i saw ubiquity in the repository and so i was thinking if it's possibile to use it with an iso image...
[18:03] <jdong> there no readily available way of doing so, though of course I won't say it's impossible.
[18:03] <jdong> it's probably just faster to obtain the materials necessary for a supported installation method listed above.
[18:04] <Notch-1> i see, this list it's pretty complete...
[18:05] <Notch-1> i think i should copy the iso to a partition and then boot from it, thanks
[18:06] <maxb> hrm, not sure whether that's doable
[18:07] <maxb> The usb-creator method seems like the only reasonable supported method in this case
[18:08] <Notch-1> why not? anyway i hate usb-creator and i have no pendrive :D
[18:08] <Notch-1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[18:14] <Alinux> cjwatson, hello, I've tested latest alpha 4 alternate version x64. As installation language I choose Georgian, but installer did not change, the strings remains in English. Should I file a bug against debian-installer ?
[18:49] <emgent> NEWS: Utu is back online, until it is integrated into ubuntustats. (http://thc.emgent.org/utu/)
[18:53] <rbrunhuber> I'm a bit worried now:  I just had an kernel oops and tried to report the problem with apport but it tells me my kernel is not a genuine ubuntu package?!
[18:53] <rbrunhuber> Is my setup compromised or is this due to not booting the latest kernel?
[20:22] <taggart> kees, doku, etc: do you know if intrepid's glibc has additional malloc safety testing above what lenny/sid do?
[20:22] <taggart> someone reported this debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514028
[20:22] <taggart> note they are using a intrepid libc6
[20:23] <taggart> I can't repeat it on lenny/sid, although it is a bug
[20:23] <taggart> so thus my question
[21:12] <mib_p137wmoa> hi all...  i only have 1 question... if someone can help me on this...
[21:13] <jpds> !ask | mib_p137wmoa
[21:13] <mib_p137wmoa> ops ok
[21:13] <mib_p137wmoa> where is the page, email or other thing where i can make a sugestion to ubuntu?
[21:14] <mib_p137wmoa> oh, and sorry for bad english... i live in portugal
[21:14] <jpds> mib_p137wmoa: brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <mib_p137wmoa> thanks ;)
[21:32] <kees> `
[21:33] <kees> taggart: I'm not aware of anything extra wrt glibc malloc protections above what is in lenny.
[21:33] <kees> taggart: we do compile with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, so that may be enabling extra stuff in that region that I'm presently unaware of.  what're you seeing?
[21:34] <fta> TheMuso, dtchen; just tested your new p-a, it doesn't work.
[21:36] <fta> TheMuso, the daemon doesn't start. manually, i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/114972/
[23:22] <taggart> kees: the output is in Debian bug 514028
[23:23] <taggart> dammit I was trying avoid that, what does ubottu trigger on?
[23:24] <Hobbsee> bug foo
[23:24] <Hobbsee> or <bugtracker> bug foo