[12:00] <Draga> I can't even start ubuntu live so i can't say anything about it.
[12:00] <gotonpo> how often do you need to reboot?
[12:00] <desrt> ColonelKernel; if it's not taking the mode you want it might be because your hsync/vsync params are wrong
[12:00] <ColonelKernel> desrt, im sorry but this just isnt true in my case. I force 100hz on 1024x768 all the time, im other distros and even in winXP
[12:00] <ColonelKernel> desrt, ok - what can I use to get the thing to run @ 100hz
[12:01] <desrt> ColonelKernel; did you give your own hsync/vsync  values?
[12:01] <desrt> 1024x768 must be like 1280x1024 including front and back porch
[12:01] <dave> gnome has really bad focus problems
[12:01] <ColonelKernel> hsync 30-96 vert refresh 30-180
[12:01] <Gourami> question: can a daily cron job be set to mail you a completion status ?
[12:01] <kutucape> dave, no it;s not
[12:01] <desrt> so like.... you'd need 128kHz horiz
[12:01] <Draga> No one can help me?
[12:02] <desrt> ya
[12:02] <ColonelKernel> well thats not going to work out at all
[12:02] <dave> is there somewhere i can configure these?
[12:02] <desrt> that 96 isn't high enough for 100Hz
[12:02] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Your clocking is based on M$ terms, not real world terms.  When you say speed. you mean boot up time and such, Linux works faster by having less of a Memory trail.  Linux was not designed to Shut down, you never need too.
[12:02] <ColonelKernel> thats gonna scramble things in my normal desktop res
[12:02] <kutucape> Draga, what's your problem
[12:02] <desrt> ColonelKernel; do you know how monitor timings work?
[12:02] <desrt> ColonelKernel; the card and the monitor need time to drag the ray gun back to the left/top of the monitor to begin another draw cycle
[12:02] <dave> Draga: i would suggest loading agpgart or something, but i really have no idea
[12:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0,  ok that's true...but i never keep my PC on for days on end
[12:02] <desrt> and also they need rest time at the beginning and end of each line
[12:02] <dave> is there some easy way to configure all of gnome?
[12:02] <ColonelKernel> desrt, I know if I increase hsync past 105 it goes insane
[12:02] <Draga> dave: What's that?
[12:02] <desrt> it's called 'front porch' and 'back porch'
[12:03] <desrt> ah.
[12:03] <desrt> not suprising :)
[12:03] <Draga> Could someone help me? I tried Ubuntu 5.1 live-cd and it boots but when it start loading OS it just went black... Nothing happens after that and 64bit live-image. I use Hp pavilion zv6028ea computer (laptop) AMD 64bit 3200, Ati radeon xpress200m...
[12:03] <Xyc0> Draga: I really reccomend you install Linux, even on a Dual Boot so you can keep M$ just in case
[12:03] <Xyc0> Draga: I can help you more when we can actualy modify Ubuntu
[12:03] <ColonelKernel> well this works fine in other distros, and ive gotten this to work in ubuntu before but I dont know how...
[12:03] <Draga> Xyc0: But if the live-cd doesnt work so how i can EVEN instal it?
[12:03] <dave> Draga: ray gun!!
[12:03] <desrt> so basically, you want to force the increase in hsync for 1024 (games?) but go back down to normal for higher res...
[12:04] <Xyc0> Draga: Live-CD for Ubuntu is not the best in the world
[12:04] <desrt> ColonelKernel; the gnome resolution thing has something that you can manually specify the refresh rate...
[12:04] <Xyc0> Draga: If you want to try linux in general, try Kipponix
[12:04] <dave> gnome sucks when it comes to setting focus to stuff. is this fixable?
[12:04] <Draga> It takes like 3hours to download it so it takes hell of a time and if it doesnt even work?
[12:04] <Draga> dave: Instal KDE
[12:04] <desrt> ColonelKernel; ie: you could write in the over-spec hsync line and use the gnome resolution thing to force yourself back down to a normal rate for desktop
[12:04] <ColonelKernel> desrt, I do not want to do it everytime though, this SHOULD be working with a Modeline
[12:04] <dave> Draga: ok
[12:05] <ColonelKernel> desrt, will try, brb
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ppl...if u visit www.playreaction.com and check the linux articles i'm writing
[12:05] <desrt> ColonelKernel; the X server automatically discards modelines that are out of range
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll be basing them on Ubuntu
[12:05] <Gourami> ok if no one has an answer on cron job notification via e-mail please refer me to somewhere I can look for help
[12:05] <_mike> someone mentioned earlier of a program to automatically configure grub when you make a new kernel? what was the name of that?
[12:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i chose YOU to introduce it to M$ ppl :)
[12:05] <dave> whats the. .aptiwhat?
[12:06] <dave> aptivate or something.
[12:06] <wdh> Gourami, what was your exact question?
[12:06] <Draga> I guess i'm not going to use ubuntu :<
[12:06] <dave> Draga: not if the cd doesnt boot, no
[12:06] <wdh> Gourami, never mind, i read it
[12:06] <dave> Draga: you have the option of rerolling your own ubuntu CD i suppose
[12:06] <Draga> dave: CD does boot but it doesnt load the ost
[12:06] <dave> with support for that card
[12:07] <dave> Draga: when does it stop, after the reboot?
[12:07] <Draga> OS
[12:07] <wdh> Gourami, i believe cron does that by default.. i think it sends it to root@localhost unless you specify another emailaddress
[12:07] <Gourami> wdh: I have a cron job wich in a nutshell is a backup which runs on a unmanned workstation that I do not want to chec every day to see if the backup ran so I would like the cron to mail me a result/status code
[12:07] <Draga> dave: No. It's a live CD. It shows "Ubuntu:" Then i press enter and it starts loading some shit and them boom just black
[12:07] <Draga> And nothing happens
[12:08] <dave> see if you can disable the framebuffer
[12:08] <Xyc0> Draga: How long did you give it time to process?
[12:08] <wdh> Gourami, cron does that by default.. it mails any output of the command..
[12:08] <Gourami> wdh: ok then my question would be how do I specify a e-mail address
[12:08] <kutucape> Draga, try another live cd
[12:08] <Draga> Xyc0: Hmm.. About couple of minutes
[12:08] <kutucape> there's a bunch of live cd out there
[12:08] <linuxpoet> Hey anywhere I can get the newer versions of Gnome for Ubuntu?
[12:08] <dave> is it possible to disable the framebuffer?
[12:08] <Draga> kutucape: Don't wanna waist CD:s
[12:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Ubuntu should be installed...not live-cd tried
[12:08] <wdh> Gourami, for that i would like to refer you to crontab's manpage :)
[12:09] <Xyc0> Draga: I second kutucape, Ubuntu is a good distro, not a live-linux distro
[12:09] <kutucape> linukso, use breezy badger
[12:09] <Xyc0> linuxpoet: Breezy Badger
[12:09] <kutucape> !breezy
[12:09] <Draga> Xyc0: I'm only trying to test if it works on my computer that i shouldn't waist DVD:s
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot will Breezy Badger include?
[12:09] <Gourami> wdh: ok well at least thats something, failing that i'll be back, thanks
[12:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> more than Hoary?
[12:09] <dave> what is that program like apt-get but not?
[12:10] <Xyc0> yum?
[12:10] <Xyc0> or for Ubuntu?
[12:10] <dave> for ubuntu.
[12:10] <dave> some replacement thing
[12:10] <kutucape> LuNaTiK^GuY, i'm using breezy and it has no difference at all
[12:10] <linuxpoet> Breezy Badger?
[12:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but its still in development
[12:10] <dave> not synaptic, the other one
[12:10] <linuxpoet> Is that a repository?
[12:11] <wdh> Gourami, it's called the 'MAILTO' option.. not sure on how to specify it.. at least it should be done inside the crontab
[12:11] <traveller> aptitude?
[12:11] <zerboxx> I find totem (default video player) is out of sync (audio/video), any help on fixing this, or should I just get xine, which I know will work?
[12:11] <dave> thats the one
[12:11] <kutucape> linuxpoet, the next ubuntu version
[12:11] <Xyc0> is it any good?
[12:11] <linuxpoet> Oh
[12:11] <linuxpoet> So there isn't any contrib that would have it :(
[12:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kutucape, what is Breezy promising?
[12:11] <kutucape> zerboxx, use xine
[12:11] <Xyc0> zerboxx: VLC Media Player
[12:11] <kutucape> well, there's a wiki on ubuntulinux.org
[12:12] <kutucape> LuNaTiK^GuY, you can read from there..
[12:12] <Gourami> wdh: nothing in tha crontab man at all about outputs
[12:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kutucape, 10x
[12:12] <kutucape> breezy seems better from hoary
[12:13] <wdh> Gourami, no, i noticed the crontab manpage is quite short.. try 'MAILTO =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on the first line of your crontab.. (without the quotes naturally)
[12:13] <Xyc0> Draga: Why are you using DVDs?  Just use a cheep CDR to run Live CDs
[12:13] <kutucape> LuNaTiK^GuY, you may see a mix between industrial and clearlooks theme
[12:13] <kutucape> some bugs maybe eliminated
[12:13] <kutucape> CMIIW
[12:13] <Xyc0> Neos
[12:13] <kutucape> and a new gtk with libcairo...
[12:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kutucape, didnt get that last part...wot do u mean?
[12:13] <Xyc0> i like dark themes
[12:13] <kutucape> LuNaTiK^GuY, what part?
[12:14] <funkyHat> how can i get middle-click to do the same thing in firefox on windows? (the toggle scroll thing)
[12:14] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Why VLC and not xine?
[12:14] <Xyc0> zerboxx: xine is very slow to update, VLC has a nice clean interface
[12:14] <wdh> Gourami, any luck yet?
[12:14] <Xyc0> zerboxx: I use VLC on M$ aswell
[12:15] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Does it work well with firefox? (integrated?)
[12:15] <Gourami> wdh trying now
[12:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kutucape, this part: you may see a mix between industrial and clearlooks theme
[12:15] <kutucape> a new ubuntu theme, but maybe this is a new default gnome theme
[12:16] <kutucape> so polished
[12:16] <Xyc0> zerboxx: Yea, there is a mozilla plugin for it that works
[12:16] <funkyHat> about time
[12:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[12:16] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Know what it is called by any chance?
[12:16] <dave> irfanview equivalent on linux?
[12:17] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Nevermind, found it easily enough :)
[12:17] <Xyc0> zerboxx: lemmy know if you have any troubles installing it
[12:18] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Sure thing
[12:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> How can i make gnome look MAC OS like?
[12:18] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: gDisklets
[12:19] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: and one of the many OSX themes for gnome
[12:19] <flam> how come my /proc is 498M ?
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot do gDisklets include?
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and how do i get them?
[12:19] <flam> it surprises me.. :P
[12:21] <hussam> I need some help here. I can't get sound out of TvTime ( video works fine )
[12:21] <wdh> Gourami, if it wont succeed.. try reading this page.. or search google: http://www.mesagroup.com/html/crontab.html
[12:21] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Ok, I've run into two problems, how do I go about making it the default video player, and I also have no sound
[12:21] <carambol> how i change Useragent in FF?
[12:22] <Xyc0> zerboxx: one sec, i had same problems
[12:22] <The_Vox> carambol: with the useragent extension, of course
[12:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, wot do gDisklets include? and how do i get them?
[12:23] <carambol> ok thnx
[12:23] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:24] <Xyc0> sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[12:25] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Xyc0, installed...and how do i launch them?
[12:26] <patient0> I've upgraded to breezy, and man pages for most Xlib calls have vanished. apt-file tells me they're in libx11-dev, but they're not any more. Any idea what package I'd find them in now?
[12:26] <_mike> when you run kernel-package does does it automatically build the kernel with default configurations?
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how do i use gDeskelts once installed?
[12:31] <ateves> does anyone know how to use gmailfs?
[12:34] <StR> Hi all!
[12:34] <StR> when I do a dpkg -L some_package.. I get...  package diverts others to:  /some/file...
[12:34] <StR> what does it mean?
[12:35] <patient0> It means if other packages try to install a version of that file, it will be put somewhere else instead of overwriting the file.
[12:36] <StR> patient0: where will they be installed?
[12:36] <abarbaccia> hey guys how do i format a usb disk from the command line?
[12:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i access gDesklets???? plzzzz
[12:36] <patient0> Not sure. man dpkg-divert
[12:37] <oompa> no idea.. but do you know where I can find the gaim install? I am trying to configure it with gfire and when I try /usrs/lib/gaim it says "configure: error:Library requirements (gaim) not met, consider adgustsing the PKG_CONFIG_PATH enviroment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them."
[12:37] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: Apps > Accessories
[12:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> gDesklets shell
[12:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now wot?
[12:39] <patient0> Does anyone have any idea about what package in breezy has the man pages for Xlib programming, seeing as they're no longer part of package libx11-dev?
[12:39] <Xyc0> LuNaTiK^GuY: don't be lazy, play around with it
[12:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:40] <Xyc0> Oompa: gaim is installed with ubuntu
[12:40] <Crazy> grrr
[12:41] <Oompa>  does anyone know where I can find the gaim install? I am trying to configure it with gfire and when I try /usrs/lib/gaim it says "configure: error:Library requirements (gaim) not met, consider adgustsing the PKG_CONFIG_PATH enviroment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them."
[12:41] <cartel_> hey all
[12:41] <cartel_> how can i update firefox/thunderbird to 1.0.6?
[12:41] <Xyc0> Oompa: Gaim is installed by default, Apps > INternet >Gaim
[12:42] <patient0> Oompa: You need package gaim-dev
[12:42] <Oompa> Xtc0: No I mean in the file structure
[12:42] <Xyc0> cartel_: backports
[12:42] <Oompa> patient0: Where can I get that?
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> gn peeps
[12:42] <patient0> apt-get
[12:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10q for ur help :)
[12:42] <taz> Anyone know a good Burner program for Ubuntu, that can burn .img and .iso files?
[12:42] <Oompa> k
[12:42] <Xyc0> Oompa: oh, your trying to compile, sudo apt-get install gaim-dev
[12:42] <Oompa> k
[12:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ubuntu is awesome ;)
[12:43] <cartel_> Xyc0: i dont think ubuntu is allowed to use the "Mozilla" trademark if its releases do not sync with security updates
[12:43] <Xyc0> taz: nero has a linux version
[12:43] <cartel_> Xyc0: this was brought up on debian-legal
[12:43] <taz> Xyc0: they have?
[12:43] <Xyc0> cartel_: Mozilla is open source
[12:43] <mjr> taz, right-click on an iso; I'm not sure what an img is and why it should be different
[12:43] <cartel_> Xyc0: it is MPL
[12:44] <taz> mjr: it does not work with Gnomebaker for example..
[12:44] <Xyc0> gnomebaker is rather iffy
[12:44] <hacked``> guys, can anyone help me upgrade my wifi card's driver ?
[12:44] <taz> Xyc0, so the nero version... is it free?
[12:45] <Xyc0> taz: no, you can use your windows version key to use it
[12:45] <Xyc0> taz: some people, not me of course, use a keygen
[12:45] <patient0> hacked`: module-assistant is good for that.
[12:46] <Xyc0> rotten people who have no money to spend on progams that should be free
[12:46] <ptlo> taz: there's also cdrecord (commandline tool) with frontends xcdroast (rather old but works nicely) and k3b (kde-based) - all of it free
[12:47] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Where should downloaded skins go for VLC?
[12:47] <hacked``> patient0, can you elaborate on that i have no idea what that is
[12:47] <Xyc0> zerboxx: ya know, I kinda like the gnome one.  So I never tried installing skins on Ubuntu
[12:47] <zerboxx> Xyc0: Ok, cool
[12:48] <Xyc0> zerboxx: there are some really cool ones tho
[12:48] <patient0> hacked`: It's a program that downloads, builds and installs drivers.
[12:48] <patient0> apt-get install module-assistant
[12:49] <ColonelKernel> I am unable to force 1024x768 to run at 10hz. Can anyone please help me force this. This seems exceedingly difficult in ubuntu
[12:49] <ColonelKernel> 100hz i mean
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> no matter what I do I cannot get more than 80hz out of 1024x768 in ubuntu
[12:50] <frank_> ColonelKernel: put high values in the Horz and Vert sections of the Monito section
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> i used gtf to generate a modeline
[12:50] <Xyc0> patient0: Do you run module-assistant from terminal?
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> frank_, I did
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> nothing I do seems to make any difference
[12:50] <hacked``> guys, how can i set the root passwd
[12:50] <frank_> can you actually see the difference between 80 and 100?
[12:50] <Toba> 20
[12:51] <ColonelKernel> yes
[12:51] <patient0> Xyc0: Yes.
[12:51] <ColonelKernel> brb
[12:51] <Xyc0> patient0: what command?
[12:51] <patient0> module-assistant or m-a
[12:51] <pdg> could anyone give me a hint why the NVidia support doesn't work at my Ubuntu?
[12:51] <patient0> You have to be root though.
[12:52] <frank_> pdg how did you install the driver?
[12:52] <Xyc0> rgr
[12:52] <patient0> pdg: What have you installed for NVidia support?
[12:52] <ColonelKernel> nope, still unable to break 85hz
[12:52] <pdg> frank_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx et al.
[12:52] <pdg> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:52] <pdg> etc
[12:52] <frank_> yeah
[12:53] <frank_> then restart X
[12:53] <pdg> done several times :)
[12:53] <frank_> what happens?
[12:53] <pdg> I see the nvidia logo, but applications don't use acceleration
[12:53] <pdg> glxgears runs at 5 fps
[12:53] <Xyc0> Control-Alt-Backspace
[12:53] <Sputn1k> Why i cant open mp3?
[12:53] <patient0> You need the NVidia driver as well as nvidia-glx.
[12:54] <ColonelKernel> UGH
[12:54] <Xyc0> Sputn1k: What program are you using to open them with?
[12:54] <Sputn1k> XMMS
[12:54] <ColonelKernel> no luck at all.
[12:54] <frank_> nvidia-glx is the driver
[12:54] <pax> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:54] <pdg> uh, yeah... I have that too, patient0
[12:54] <pdg> oh
[12:54] <pdg> I meant the kernel modules
[12:54] <macroexp> I have some quetions about xprint and mozilla/firefox
[12:54] <macroexp> the mozilla build is xprint-enabled, firefox build is not
[12:54] <frank_> pdg what does glxinfo | grep direct give you?
[12:54] <patient0> nvidia-glx isn't the driver.
[12:55] <Xyc0> Sputn1k: what heppens when you play mp3's?
[12:55] <pdg> lemmesee
[12:55] <Xyc0> patient0: yes it is
[12:55] <Sputn1k> nothing :)
[12:55] <Sputn1k> xmms crash
[12:55] <macroexp> without xprint, firefox can't print to my printer (some postscript version error - has to do with freetype2 printing hoohah)
[12:55] <pdg> frank_: direct rendering: Yes
[12:55] <patient0> It doesn't install any kernel module I mean.
[12:55] <macroexp> and the xprint distribution is also broken - it doesn't pick up any printers from cups
[12:55] <funkyHat> Sputn1k, change the output plugin to eSound
[12:55] <frank_> pdg well technically you are hardware accelerated!
[12:55] <Xyc0> Sputn1k: in preferances, change the audio output to something different, like Esound, then try
[12:56] <Sputn1k> ok thx
[12:56] <Xyc0> patient0: then what does?
[12:56] <pdg> frank_: I know, and that's the weird part! Depending on the moon phase it works or it doesn't!
[12:56] <pdg> right now it doesn't
[12:56] <frank_> patient0: yes it does through linux-restricted-modules
[12:56] <patient0> I used module-assistant, there's probably a binary package though for the stock kernels.
[12:56] <patient0> Yeah that's the one.
[12:57] <macroexp> i'm running with the mozilla build and a stock .tar.gz distribution of xprint, but it seems really sad that i have to jump through hoops just to print a webpage
[12:57] <pdg> frank_: could that be a hardware problem?
[12:57] <frank_> pdg: what card do you have?
[12:57] <pdg> GeForce FX 5900
[12:57] <Xyc0> eeewww
[12:57] <Xyc0> sorry
[12:57] <Xyc0> ignore that
[12:57] <Guest_545> Hey, I'm installing Ubuntu for the first time and having some problems.
[12:58] <Guest_545> I'm going to try it again, but basically, it got to one part where it was installing additional components, and it would skip.
[12:58] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Well hey, perhaps we can help
[12:58] <frank_> pdg I have a very similar card and it worked for me. Did you actually try a 3d game>
[12:58] <Sputn1k> tnx, now everything works
[12:58] <pdg> blender, for example
[12:58] <Guest_545> It would say, "Installing additinional components", then it would go to 1
[12:58] <pdg> it's painful
[12:58] <Guest_545> It would say, "Installing additinional components", then it would go to 1%.
[12:58] <Xyc0> Sputn1k: surething
[12:58] <Guest_545> Then the screen would go black and it would loop.
[12:58] <taz> Xyc0, then i go for nero ;)
[12:58] <frank_> pdg: and it works well in windows?
[12:58] <abunic> can some one help me I am trying to install HOMM3 for linux X86 and I get this message "This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on x86"
[12:58] <stodge> Hi folks. Is wxpython on Hoary built with opengl support?
[12:58] <pdg> frank_: I have no windows
[12:59] <frank_> pdg did you connect the power cable?
[12:59] <Xyc0> taz: did you find where to download it?
[12:59] <pdg> frank_: :)
[12:59] <Guest_545> Well, Xyc0? Or anyone else?
[12:59] <pdg> frank_: I'm sorry, was that a serious question?
[12:59] <taz> Xyc0, nope..
[12:59] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Did you give ubuntu enought disk space?
[12:59] <frank_> pdg: well I forgot it once!
[12:59] <taz> :D
[12:59] <pdg> hehe
[01:00] <Guest_545> Uhh.. I figured it could format Windows for me. :p
[01:00] <Guest_545> How much space does it need?
[01:00] <Xyc0> taz: http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[01:00] <Xyc0> about 5 gig with everything installed
[01:01] <frank_> I dont't know maybe you need some special option in xorg.conf
[01:01] <Guest_545> Jesus Christ. That's massive. I was installing it on my shitty laptop.
[01:01] <macroexp> has anyone ever tried printing a webpage, in firefox, to a postscript printer? (hoary)
[01:01] <pdg> frank_: I'm going to turn this off and check for loosely plugged cards
[01:01] <Guest_545> Only like 3 GB of HD space.
[01:01] <pdg> brb, and thanks a lot
[01:01] <frank_> np
[01:01] <Guest_545> Are you SURE 5 GB? Even Windows XP isn't that huge.
[01:01] <Xyc0> Guest_545: it only needs 2 gig for strait install
[01:01] <Xyc0> XP is 10 gig
[01:01] <Guest_545> Oh, okay.. I figured..
[01:01] <vader> Guest: I am using it on a 4 gig hard drive on my p1 233
[01:01] <taz> Xyc0, thx :)
[01:01] <Guest_545> No, XP isn't 10 gig. That's impossible. Because when I reformatted my PC and reinstalled XP, it only took up a few GB.
[01:02] <abunic> what printer?
[01:02] <macroexp> hp 4050tn
[01:02] <michi_lnx> hi
[01:02] <Guest_545> BRB. Gonna try to reinstall.
[01:02] <funkyHat> Guest_545, it should run fine on 3GB
[01:02] <Guest_545> k
[01:02] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Did you install office, and anti virus, and winamp as well?
[01:02] <funkyHat> install at least ;)
[01:02] <abunic> I can print web pages on my epson 777 color
[01:02] <Guest_545> No. But those aren't standard.
[01:02] <Xyc0> 5 gig i everything, not just the OS
[01:02] <Xyc0> is*
[01:02] <Guest_545> They aren't even included with XP.
[01:02] <taz> btw.. isent .iso and .img the same format just different name?
[01:03] <Xyc0> 2 gig for strait install
[01:03] <Guest_545> Anyway, AFK. Gonna try to reinstall Ubuntu after reformatting.
[01:03] <vader> all I did was the base install and it seams to be working good: even using xfce4
[01:03] <macroexp> that's going through some sort of converter type thing to convert to epson 777 print code
[01:03] <ateves> how can i change ubuntu's language after install?
[01:03] <Xyc0> Damn kids and their drugs, didn't even wait for me to explain before having a coniption fit
[01:03] <michi_lnx> can anyboby give me a advice how to connect 2 linux pcs in a home network for file transfer
[01:03] <Vjaz> Is there any other way to add folders to my "Locations" menu than in a file dialog?
[01:03] <abunic> ya the drivers came with ubuntu
[01:03] <Xyc0> michi_lnx: samba and smb
[01:04] <Xyc0> michi_lnx: install both of them through synaptic
[01:04] <abunic> Im guessing something is messed in the conf of your printer
[01:04] <michi_lnx> i thought samba is for win - linux connections
[01:04] <taz> Xyc0, ok.. now that i have the .deb package.. something i should think of?
[01:04] <Xyc0> michi_lnx: it works on lin lin connnections
[01:04] <michi_lnx> ok, thanks
[01:04] <Xyc0> taz: what do you mean?
[01:05] <taz> Xyc0, when i have downloaded nero.. is it ok to install .deb packages? cause i guess they do "fit"?
[01:05] <liroth_> Xyc0, did samba work on win - lin connections too?
[01:05] <Xyc0> taz: Yea
[01:05] <abunic> cause I havnt set one up but you have to configure manually unless you just chosed the generic driver. in which case I think you can tweak it
[01:06] <Xyc0> liroth_: yes, it works great on anynetwork
[01:06] <Xyc0> taz: sudo dpkg -i nerolinuxwhaterver.deb
[01:06] <Xyc0> taz: make sure you cd to the directory you downloaded it to
[01:08] <taz> Xyc0, thx :)
[01:08] <ateves> how can i change ubuntu's language after install?
[01:08] <pippijn> hi all
[01:09] <pippijn> is it easy to set up an nfs server on ubuntu?
[01:10] <taz> (Reading database ... 64653 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:10] <taz> Unpacking nerolinux (from nerolinux-<IP_ADDRESS>-x86.deb) ...
[01:10] <taz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nerolinux:
[01:10] <taz>  nerolinux depends on libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0); however:
[01:10] <taz>   Package libglib1.2 is not installed.
[01:10] <taz>  nerolinux depends on libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4); however:
[01:10] <taz>   Package libgtk1.2 is not installed.
[01:10] <taz> dpkg: error processing nerolinux (--install):
[01:10] <taz>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:10] <taz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:10] <taz>  nerolinux
[01:10] <taz> hmm.. did you guys see those lines?? . .. :-/
[01:10] <funkyHat> yep
[01:10] <misfit_toy> taz, yes
[01:11] <taz> crap... ok
[01:11] <taz> Xyc0, they were for you.. :)
[01:11] <JingleBells> hi, for some reason, all URLs I open in XChat are opening in epiphany rather than firefox, how do I change this?
[01:11] <funkyHat> taz, try installing the package it wants ;)
[01:11] <taz> yeah
[01:11] <funkyHat> through apt or whatever
[01:11] <Xyc0> taz: Please, PLease don't paste in the channel
[01:11] <jp> guys, how can I order my mails accoutns mail at evo? Somethign like this: http://www.gnomejournal.org/images/30.png an style of: ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:12] <Xyc0> taz: use pastebin.com
[01:12] <taz> Xyc0, it was in a /msg for you.. i dont know why it got pasted in the channel for..
[01:12] <taz> first line got sent to you.. the rest in the channel.. lol
[01:12] <KB2000> JingleBells: if you get that working, please tell me... i have the same problem... :)
[01:13] <Xyc0> taz: no worries, just paste bin it so I can read it
[01:13] <plutonium83> Are chinese localization packs available for ubuntu?
[01:13] <jp> guys, how can I order my mails accoutns mail at evo? Somethign like this: http://www.gnomejournal.org/images/30.png an style of: ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:13] <JingleBells> firefox windows has a nice "Set this browser as default" option, its not in the lunix version :|
[01:14] <KB2000> JingleBells: actually i got mine to open in firefox if i right-click and say "open in web browser"... but i'd like it to open the browser on a left-click :)
[01:14] <The_Vox> next time I hear somebody complain about how hard it is to install linux, I'm gonna make him/her install XP on a bare box...damn stupid OS
[01:14] <huttan> Hello, does anyone here know how to get a wireless netgear WG511T NIC working on a laptop??
[01:15] <funkyHat> JingleBells, the option is in system > Preferences > Preferred applications
[01:15] <JingleBells> hmm, its set as mozilla-firefox there
[01:15] <JingleBells> but links in XChat are opening epiphany :|
[01:15] <bimberi> JingleBells, KB2000: Have a look at Settings -> Advanced -> URL Handlers... (in XChat)
[01:15] <plutonium83> Are chinese localization packs available for ubuntu?
[01:16] <jp> guys, how can I order my mails accoutns mail at evo? Somethign like this: http://www.gnomejournal.org/images/30.png an style of: ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:16] <hacked`-> guys, im trying to dowload kismet off synaptic, but its not finding it
[01:16] <hacked`-> what the hell is that
[01:16] <JingleBells> !sensible-browser '%s'
[01:16] <ubotu> JingleBells: Are you smoking crack?
[01:16] <JingleBells> wtf is sensible browser
[01:16] <Guest_545> Hey, anyone here know of a way to format Windows 98 OTHER THAN using a Windows boot-disk?
[01:17] <Guest_545> Is there a boot-disk I can download online, to format it?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> JingleBells: it's a symlink to the default browser
[01:17] <macroexp> mkfs.vfat
[01:17] <Guest_545> Because I can't find my Win 98 boot disk and I can't run the Win XP boot disk because the laptop only has 32 MB of RAM.
[01:17] <KB2000> bimberi: i'm at the same spot... i can right-click and say "open in web browser", but i can't left-click it to make it open in the browser...
[01:17] <visor> Guest_545: cfdisk is easy to use
[01:17] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Ubuntu can format over Windows 98
[01:17] <JingleBells> ? ubotu?
[01:17] <hacked`-> guys, im trying to dowload kismet off synaptic, but its not finding it
[01:17] <vader> Guest: try boot disk.com if you want to
[01:17] <Guest_545> Xyc0, are you sure? How do I set it to format before installing?
[01:18] <bimberi> KB2000: I reckon it's something to do with those settings
[01:18] <Guest_545> I remember seeing something in the beginning, about advanced options.. or something.. Nevermind. BRB. I'll try it.
[01:18] <bimberi> JingleBells: ubotu is a bot - responds to commands beginning with ! (as well as its name)
[01:18] <taz> Xyc0, it installed ok now after i added the packages... hmm do i need to add it to the desktop manually or will i find it somewhere?
[01:18] <JingleBells> i see
[01:18] <Xyc0> Guest_545: When you boot from the Ubuntu disk, it will ask you if it is ok to format over the disk
[01:19] <Oompa> yay!  Version: 1.0.22-2.2 (hoary), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> JingleBells: ls -l
[01:19] <Xyc0> taz: IM prettu sure it is in Sound & Video or Acessories
[01:19] <snouptcss> !bonobo
[01:19] <ubotu> snouptcss: I give up, what is it?
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> or in nautilus, right click properties
[01:19] <devnull> where can i find older versions of gcc in deb package format ?
[01:20] <taz> Xyc0, hmm nopes :)
[01:20] <KB2000> bimberi: i don't think xchat is able to do it with a left-click... :(
[01:20] <Xyc0> did you restart gnome-panel?
[01:20] <taz> Xyc0, nope :_/
[01:20] <Xyc0> taz: sudo killall gnome-panel
[01:21] <taz> Xyc0, you are my hero! :)
[01:21] <Xyc0> :D
[01:21] <bimberi> KB2000: I'm experimenting with moving the FireFox stuff to the top to see if that works
[01:21] <taz> hero/nero.. ;)
[01:21] <Xyc0> he he, nero burned down rome
[01:22] <taz> :D
[01:22] <bimberi> KB2000: ... and it doesn't :(
[01:22] <Guest_545> Guest 545, I booted from the Ubuntu disk and it never DID ask me that.
[01:22] <Guest_545> Er, I mean Xyc0.
[01:22] <KB2000> bimberi: :(
[01:22] <Guest_545> Xyc0, it never asks that.
[01:23] <jp> guys, how can I order my mails accoutns mail at evo? Somethign like this: http://www.gnomejournal.org/images/30.png an style of: ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:23] <jp> PLEASE!
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> jp: I think you'll find that might be because it's an imap account
[01:23] <jp> this is the ubuntu users channel!
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> if you're talking about where is says<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:23] <jp> yepo
[01:23] <JingleBells> ah tis fixed thanks to a google
[01:23] <Xyc0> Guest_545: explain to me what happens when you boot from Ubuntu disk
[01:23] <jp> I want to organaze thus my accoutn HrdwrBoB
[01:24] <JingleBells> "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser"
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> jp: for basic filtering you just need to create folders
[01:24] <taz> Who of you in here were already running NeroLinux?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> and use the filters
[01:24] <Guest_545> The Ubuntu screen pops up, and it tells me it's installing. And it says either type "server" for the base installation or press enter for the default installation.
[01:24] <Freedomzen> Ok I have a question I tried to install breezy and apparently it is borked.... I am currently Downloading Hoary I am wondering will my install go well or is there trouble on the horizen
[01:25] <Guest_545> If I press enter and do the default installation, it does what I said before... It does a crash loop when it starts installing additional components. And it never formats the HD.
[01:25] <jp> HrdwrBoB I created, but I only can create a subfolder of > On this computer... not a folder like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:25] <jp> :(
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> jp: because that's an IMAP account
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> and thus it's not "on this computer"
[01:26] <jp> HrdwrBoB cool!
[01:26] <Xyc0> Guest_545: It does not install anything untill you tell it too, something else is wrong
[01:26] <_mike> anyone run into problems in grub installing a new kernel?
[01:26] <jp> HrdwrBoB I'm enabling my imap accoutn to try. thanks dude!
[01:26] <jp> :D
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> jp: no worries :)
[01:26] <jp> HrdwrBoB I didn't know it :(
[01:26] <oompa> How do I add applications to the gnome panel?
[01:26] <Guest_545> No, it didn't. What I said---it says it's an Ubuntu installer, then it asks me to press enter for the default installation.
[01:27] <Guest_545> The problem, I think, is what you said before. It's installing, but not formatting the HD first.
[01:27] <_mike> has anyone here installed a new kernel?
[01:27] <Guest_545> So, there's no space.
[01:27] <vader> _mike: not me
[01:27] <Guest_545> BRB. Gonna try to use a DOS boot-disk to format the HD, then use the Ubuntu CD.
[01:27] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Does it ask you for the keyboard language?
[01:27] <Xyc0> Guest_545: Dont
[01:27] <Guest_545> Eventually, yes.
[01:27] <cyberix> X stoped working in my Breezy
[01:27] <Xyc0> Guest_545: THen what after the language?
[01:27] <Guest_545> Don't worry. It's my crappy laptop, not my main computer.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: yes... you just use apt-get to install it :)
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cyberix: yes it did
[01:28] <Guest_545> After that, it starts to instal.
[01:28] <funkyHat> Guest_545, the ubuntu installer will format the disk for you, choose 'use entire disk'
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cyberix: breezy X is broken.
[01:28] <Freedomzen> Ok I have a question I tried to install breezy and apparently it is borked.... I am currently Downloading Hoary I am wondering will my install go well or is there trouble on the horizen
[01:28] <Guest_545> That never happened.
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: what do you want to work with your kernel
[01:28] <oompa> Anyone? How do I add applications to The Gnome Panel? Like Applications>Internet
[01:28] <fortysixand2> what would stop ndiswrapper from associating with an AP?
[01:28] <_mike> hrdwrbob i've done all the hard stuff, im stuck in grub
[01:28] <Xyc0> Freedomzen: Breezy is not finished
[01:28] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: Damn.
[01:28] <Guest_545> FunkyHat, also---the laptop only had 32 MB of memory. Ubuntu says that it has to run in "low memory" mode or something like that.
[01:28] <jp> HrdwrBoB that worked so cool dude thanks!! :D
[01:28] <KB2000> Freedomzen: breezy has a known problem with X... it will work before it goes stable
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> jp: good to hear!
[01:28] <_mike> the configuration line kernel /boot/bzImage-2.6.12_3
[01:28] <Xyc0> Freedomzen: hoary is stable
[01:28] <_mike> apparently
[01:28] <Freedomzen> ok so hoary should install fine
[01:29] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: "Next time I will stay with stable."
[01:29] <Razor-X> uggghhhh, why in the world would the maintainers try and make the name of ruby ``ruby1.8''
[01:29] <KB2000> Freedomzen: yep
[01:29] <_mike> the files not found
[01:29] <Razor-X> aggravating
[01:29] <Freedomzen> ok good
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: how have you built the kernel?
[01:29] <funkyHat> i don't have any experience using low memory mode....
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> cyberix: good choice :)
[01:29] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: "I will never more drink alcohol."
[01:29] <Razor-X> I have my own alias, but, other programs are totally messing up
[01:29] <oompa> anyone?
[01:29] <_mike> even though bzimage-2.6.12_3 IS in /boot
[01:29] <Freedomzen> need something easy and stable for my HP Laptop
[01:29] <_mike> how?
[01:29] <_mike> from source
[01:29] <Xyc0> Guest_545: ah, yea... Ubuntu does need a bit more then just 32 megs
[01:29] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: :-P
[01:29] <fortysixand2> I got the module loaded in the kernel, and I can ifconfig wlan0 and set the IP address
[01:29] <Razor-X> and so, i'm gonna try and make a symbolic link to it
[01:29] <Freedomzen> anyone here run Ubuntu on their Laptop?
[01:29] <fortysixand2> but iwconfig will NOT let me set the AP
[01:29] <Xyc0> Guest_545: you might want to try Puppy Linux or Ubuntu with out Gnome or KDE
[01:29] <_mike> hrdwrbob i configured, and installed the kernel from source
[01:29] <KB2000> Freedomzen: i do
[01:30] <Guest_545> No, Xyc0, according to the installer, it doesn't need more than 32 MB. It just says that I need to make... uh... I forget the word.
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: why?
[01:30] <Freedomzen> KB2000, wireless and all?
[01:30] <taz> i must say.. so far of what i have tested with Ubuntu .. its a really easy system to work with!! Very user firendly!! I run it both as server (web server) and as a client...
[01:30] <KB2000> Freedomzen: yep
[01:30] <Guest_545> The word for emulated RAM.
[01:30] <Freedomzen> cool
[01:30] <_mike> to learn
[01:30] <Guest_545> In Windows, it's the pagefile.
[01:30] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: Was this intentional? Is there any bets on when it might work again?
[01:30] <funkyHat> Guest_545, swap
[01:30] <taz> Swap area..
[01:30] <Guest_545> That's the word.
[01:30] <Guest_545> It says that it can install, but I need to make a swap area soon.
[01:30] <KB2000> Freedomzen: i'm having trouble with my flash card reader on my medion md41300, but it seems that nobody has gotten it to work on any linux yet...
[01:30] <Xyc0> Freedomzen: You just need to know what hardware you are using inorder for us to help you set it up
[01:30] <Razor-X> OMFG, and the ln doesen't work
[01:30] <KB2000> Freedomzen: but that's it... it works perfectly
[01:31] <_mike> next time now that i know what goes on ill use apt hrdwrbob. but, got any ideas about my problem?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> cyberix: it should work again .. ASAP of course
[01:31] <Razor-X> stupid maintainers!
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: ahh ok
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> well to put it in grub
[01:31] <bimberi> oompa: You can install a menu editor - search for "smeg" in synaptic
[01:31] <taz> going to bed now.. nite nite ppl! and thx for all the help..
[01:31] <Guest_545> Anyway, I'm gonna format using a DOS bootdisk. Don't worry, it's not my main PC. And if it doesn't work, I can always re-download Windows XP and a crack from bittorrent.
[01:31] <_mike> with the grub file "not finding" my kernel image, even though the i have the right path down
[01:31] <surfdue> ok
[01:31] <_mike> ?
[01:31] <surfdue> please help
[01:31] <jp> HrdwrBoB, http://www.freepgs.com/straight/evo-is-cool!.png =)
[01:31] <_mike> its driving me crazy
[01:31] <surfdue> how do i actiave s-video out
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> just follow the format of the other entries in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:31] <oompa> Does anyone know how to add programs to the applications panel in Gnome? Like Applications>Internet>NewProgram.
[01:31] <Guest_545> ...Er... Or Windows 98, rather.
[01:31] <Freedomzen> Xyc0, I know that I have put Ubuntu on My main Desktop but Switched to Arch but I want something a little more maintainable on my Lappy
[01:31] <bimberi> oompa: You can install a menu editor - search for "smeg" in synaptic
[01:32] <cyberix> HrdwrBoB: Ok. Great. These are the times I love having the Hoary live cd.
[01:32] <cyberix> :-)
[01:32] <Xyc0> surfdue: what video card?
[01:32] <KB2000> live cds are truly sent from heaven ;)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> jp: looks goog
[01:32] <oompa> bimberi: How do I start up synaptic? I believe it comes with Ubuntu doesn't it?
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> good
[01:32] <fortysixand2> I can set the key too, which is really weird
[01:32] <_mike> hrdwrbob, so im guessing you dont know whats up with that grub config line?
[01:32] <Razor-X> _mike: can I see too?
[01:32] <bimberi> oompa: yes indeed - system -> administration -> synaptic package manager :)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: so you've made one and it doesn't work?
[01:33] <oompa> bimberi: thanks
[01:33] <surfdue> Xyc0,: i have a S3 Savage/MX (v7.10.08; 12-28-1999; 981K)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> if so, paste it
[01:33] <surfdue> some laptop card
[01:33] <bimberi> oompa: yw :)
[01:33] <Razor-X> bimberi: there's a reason Windows has a ``desktop'', not everybody has the patience to navigate menus XD
[01:33] <_mike> razor-X, well the line in grubs menu.lst that grub is having problem with is:kernel  /boot/bzImage-2.6.12_3 ro root=/dev/hda1
[01:34] <_mike> ERROR:15 file not found. claims that /boot/bzImage-2.6.12_3 isnt' there
[01:34] <_mike> even though the file path is correct
[01:34] <huttan> Hello, does anyone here know how to get a wireless netgear WG511T NIC working on a laptop??
[01:34] <Razor-X> _mike: you have a bzImage?
[01:34] <Razor-X> not vmlinuz as a kernel?
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: what  do all the other lines look like
[01:35] <Razor-X> (or am I just behind *shrugs* haven't updated my kernel in a bit)
[01:35] <_mike> mike@skynet:/boot$ ls
[01:35] <_mike> bzImage-2.6.12_3         initrd.img-2.6.12_3  System.map-2.6.10-5-386
[01:35] <_mike> config-2.6.10-5-386      lost+found           System.map-2.6.12_3
[01:35] <_mike> grub                     memtest86+.bin       vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386
[01:35] <_mike> initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386  System.map
[01:35] <_mike> mike@skynet:/boot$
[01:35] <_mike> oops
[01:35] <Razor-X> use vmlinuz
[01:35] <Razor-X> that's the kernel
[01:35] <_mike> well, that is the contents of my /boot file and as you can see bzImage-2.6.12_3 is there
[01:35] <_mike> however, grub seems to think its not
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: no, in grub
[01:35] <michi_lnx> has anyone of you expierences with powernowd
[01:35] <michi_lnx>
[01:35] <michi_lnx> ?
[01:35] <_mike> should i send it all right now?
[01:36] <surfdue> anyone?
[01:36] <_mike> woudln't want to flood or anything
[01:36] <surfdue> please?
[01:36] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: I know I don't often ask for help, but, is it possible to symlink programs in /usr/bin to a non-existant program?
[01:36] <surfdue> big help please, s-video out how do i activate it
[01:36] <_mike> hrdwrbob, razor-x here it is
[01:36] <_mike> title           Ubuntu Test-Kernel 2.6.12_3-386
[01:36] <_mike> root            (hd0,4)
[01:36] <_mike> kernel          /boot/bzImage-2.6.12_3 root=/dev/hda1 ro
[01:36] <_mike> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12_3
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: why would you need to do that
[01:36] <Razor-X> _mike: use pastebin next time
[01:36] <michi_lnx> how can i tell powernowd to use MY settings
[01:37] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: simple, really
[01:37] <_mike> alright, didn't know bout that
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: past your whole grub config file on pastebin
[01:37] <Velcan> When adding apps to session startup is there a way to specify which workspace you would like it to open on?
[01:37] <vader> bbl dinner time
[01:37] <Razor-X> the maintainers for the debian/ubuntu ruby package append a ``1.8'' on the Ruby binary packages
[01:37] <Razor-X> (stuff like ri, and irb)
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> Velcan: I don't believe so
[01:37] <_mike> hrdwrbob, pastebin? never used it before. im using Konversation
[01:37] <surfdue> anyone dang?
[01:37] <surfdue> can someone tell me were 2 get help
[01:38] <Razor-X> but, emacs, that has its own compile support, can't find the file ``ruby''
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: pastebin.com
[01:38] <Xyc0> surfdue: You need to install the drivers for S3 Savage/MX
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:38] <Razor-X> I have an alias, but, emacs is probably linking straight to the thing
[01:38] <surfdue> how Xyc0
[01:38] <Razor-X> and so, I need to symlink ruby1.8 to ruby
[01:38] <Razor-X> or, make my own macro, but that's no fun
[01:39] <Xyc0> surfdue: I honestly don't know.  I would Google "S3 Savage/MX xorg drivers"
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> well just run which ruby
[01:39] <hacked`-> guys, how does svn work
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> to find ruby
[01:39] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: there _is_ no ruby binary
[01:39] <Razor-X> there's ruby1.8
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> and then ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /path/to/ruby
[01:39] <_mike> hrdwrbob http://pastebin.com/317455
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[01:39] <Razor-X> exactly
[01:39] <Razor-X> therein lies the problem
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> just link it then
[01:39] <Razor-X> I was thinking of making a dummy file
[01:40] <Razor-X> like sudo echo e > /usr/bin/ruby
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: remove the /boot
[01:40] <_mike> link to what? ln -s ...?
[01:40] <Razor-X> and then ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/ruby
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: look at all the other entries
[01:40] <_mike> alrighty
[01:40] <Razor-X> _mike: this is my problem ;)
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yes
[01:40] <Razor-X> but, then, the echo e returns a permission error
[01:40] <Razor-X> even if I prepend sudo
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: yes
[01:40] <_mike> i noticed the difference, hrdwrbob, i removed boot didn't work so i added it back in. on the kernel line i notice how it was diffenet but didn't know how to make it the same format
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> try echo e| sudo  tee /usr/bin/ruby
[01:41] <Razor-X> ok
[01:41] <Razor-X> is /usr/bin locked from normal writing?
[01:41] <dups> has anyone had any problems after upgrading firefox?  for some reason firefox crashes whenever I open certain pages, obviously some kinda fault ex: www.moviefone.com
[01:42] <surfdue> http://linux.com.hk/PenguinWeb/manpage.jsp?section=4&name=savage
[01:42] <surfdue> how do i get it?
[01:42] <_mike> hrdwrbob, if i remove /boot i dont think it will work because nothing is linked besidese initrd
[01:42] <hacked`> guys, whats the apt-get that i need to get gcc, gcc+, etc.
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> _mike: ... remove the /boot
[01:42] <nebular> what would the root entry be for the 3rd partition on the first HD in the grub menu.lst? I've become confused by the documentation
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> that is the problem
[01:42] <_mike> just did thta
[01:42] <_mike> really?
[01:42] <nebular> am I correct in thinknig it's (hd0,2)?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> nebular: that's correct
[01:42] <Razor-X> hacked`: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[01:43] <nebular> HrdwrBoB: thanks much
[01:43] <hacked`> razor-x, is there any way i can search apt-get
[01:43] <Xyc0> taz: Did you get my PM?
[01:43] <_mike> alright hdrwrbob, im going to reboot, if this works thanks a lot. and if it doesn't ill be back on. and thanks for the help so far
[01:43] <Razor-X> hacked`: apt-cache search foo
[01:43] <Razor-X> where foo is your search term
[01:43] <abunic> can someone help me with installing Homm3
[01:43] <Freedomzen> hacked`, build-essential
[01:43] <hacked`> cause it said E: COuldn't find package build-essentials
[01:44] <hacked`> k
[01:44] <goroth> hello
[01:44] <Razor-X> hacked`: you have to have your CD in
[01:44] <hacked`> k
[01:44] <goroth> i va problem with song :s
[01:44] <Razor-X> it's on the CD, and your CDs should be part of the repos in your sources.list
[01:44] <nikkia> abunic: most of the loki stuff is so terribly out of date it requires serious effort to even install, never mind run, these days :/
[01:45] <SDFH_Linux> is firefox 1.06 on ubuntu servers?
[01:45] <surfdue> surfdue,
[01:45] <seb128> building
[01:45] <Burgundavia> SDFH_Linux, not yet
[01:45] <funkyHat> SDFH_Linux, it won't be
[01:45] <abunic> I know I googled it and could find any understandable way to install it
[01:46] <SDFH_Linux> no?
[01:46] <SDFH_Linux> why?
[01:46] <funkyHat> 1.0.3 will have the security patches applied
[01:46] <abunic> I just want to play that game it brings me back you know
[01:46] <Burgundavia> SDFH_Linux, 1.0.6 will be available in breezy, and the fixes backported to hoary
[01:46] <oompa> What's the delete command in terminal?
[01:46] <frank_> !firefox
[01:46] <SDFH_Linux> ok
[01:46] <Burgundavia> SDFH_Linux, so you will be secure
[01:46] <funkyHat> !info firefox
[01:46] <oompa> Anyone?
[01:47] <oompa> I need the delete command in terminal.
[01:47] <KB2000> oompa: do you mean rm?
[01:47] <funkyHat> geh... ubotu does different things now...
[01:47] <oompa> yes that works kb2000
[01:47] <nikkia> abunic: about the best advice i can give, is hunt down the loki 'patches', usually, there is a updated installer that installs the patched version from the CD
[01:48] <nikkia> abunic: links to the patch ftps should be on loki's (defunct-ish) website, but even those are over 3 years old, and may well not run on new linux systems
[01:48] <bimberi_> !info firefox
[01:48] <dups> !codecs
[01:48] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <KB2000> oompa: do "man rm" to see which arguments to give it...
[01:48] <abunic> ya I dont even think I am at that point in the install yet
[01:49] <abunic> I got a message about the install not supporting glibc-2.1 on x86
[01:49] <lcharly_> i have a problem with my printer is hp 3320 USB and when i traying to configure when i run printing it siad The CUPS server could not be contacted
[01:49] <stodge> Has anyone built wxPython on Hoary?
[01:50] <Kyral> Hooray!
[01:50] <hacked`> Hooray for Hoary ?
[01:50] <Kyral> I built Firefox 1.0.5 from the Breezy source :D
[01:51] <_mike> it work3d! im on my brand spankin new kernel
[01:51] <_mike> eh
[01:51] <_mike> however i got some error and crap at boot up
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:51] <stodge> I'm getting a compile error, that I can't solve:    contrib/glcanvas/gtk/glcanvas_wrap.cpp:1568: error: `wxGLCanvas' undeclared
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> because your kernel is not the same as the ubuntu kernel
[01:52] <Razor-X> you Firefox addicts are almost as bad as Harrpy Potter addicts ;)
[01:52] <_mike> errors aren't problems ;) stodge
[01:52] <stodge> They are to me :)
[01:52] <funkyHat> Razor-X, lol
[01:52] <stodge> The version of wxpython for Hoary is too old
[01:52] <Razor-X> if a feature ``dies'', you'll comit suicide
[01:52] <Razor-X> s/comit/commit/
[01:52] <oompa> Razor-X What about Firefox addicts that love Harry Potter? :P Like me
[01:52] <Vjaz> Firefox isn't really *that* good.
[01:52] <Razor-X> if you want to be obsessed about something, be obsessed about Robert Jordan!
[01:52] <_mike> could a misconfigured kernel make your RAM usage be a little funy?
[01:53] <Razor-X> Vjaz: thanks for that bit of sense, now the rest of the channel needs to know that ;)
[01:53] <Razor-X> or be obsessed about Star Wars
[01:53] <Razor-X> funkyHat: give me back my browser!
[01:53] <_mike> i'm using 243/249 and 3/957 of swap which seems a bit high on the RAM side
[01:53] <_mike> ;(
[01:53] <Razor-X> _mike: how much RAM you have?
[01:53] <Vjaz> Opera is better out of the box than Firefox.
[01:53] <_mike> 256
[01:53] <funkyHat> lmao, have it, i use firefox :P
[01:54] <_mike> actually
[01:54] <Razor-X> the only thing I use Firefox for is when I feel like browsing, emacs style
[01:54] <frank_> _mike: that's ok. Alot of ram is just cache anyways
[01:54] <apokryphos> Opera is better full-stop :P
[01:54] <Vjaz> If you take extensions in to play, it gets more complicated.
[01:54] <Razor-X> _mike: a lot of the swap isn't used
[01:54] <_mike> yea which is weird isn't razor-x?
[01:54] <Razor-X> Vjaz: I have changed around some of my Opera as well
[01:54] <Razor-X> _mike: no, it just sits in cache
[01:54] <_mike> if i have only 64 mb free physical ram. shouldn't my swap be used more?
[01:54] <funkyHat> opera looks tacky, tbh
[01:55] <Razor-X> (I pronounce it ``cash-ay'' by the way, not ``cash'' like you CompSci people do ;)
[01:55] <funkyHat> especially the dialogs
[01:55] <apokryphos> funkyHat: err, you can't be serious, unless you're talking about a version three years ago
[01:55] <_mike> instead of 1% of it?:
[01:55] <Razor-X> funkyHat: Opera's polish trumps Firefox
[01:55] <Razor-X> bimberi_: remember programming wars?
[01:55] <frank_> _mike: no alot of the "used" ram isn't really used by programs
[01:55] <funkyHat> why do all the dialogs have 2 borders?
[01:55] <Razor-X> they don't?
[01:56] <bimberi_> Razor-X: Of course! how could I forget :)
[01:56] <apokryphos> funkyHat: when was the last time you used Opera?
[01:56] <funkyHat> this morning
[01:56] <funkyHat> it was the first time i used it as well
[01:56] <Vjaz> Which version?
[01:57] <funkyHat> 8.01
[01:57] <apokryphos> funkyHat: and you're seriously telling me it looks tacky? If that does then so does a Ferrari 8)
[01:57] <apokryphos> funkyHat: the dialogues have one border
[01:58] <funkyHat> hehe. ok so there aren't really 2 borders, it looks odd though
[01:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'd have to agree with him, it's UI is a BIT tacky
[01:58] <Razor-X> hmmmm, in emacs, what's the variable for current filename?
[01:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: I put it down to that headache :P
[01:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: I love Konqueror, but I really think Opera is the slickest-lookin' browser
[01:58] <nikkia> Razor-X: there's a function, to get it i think, you have to pass in the buffer name
[01:59] <oompa> how do I install a .deb file?
[01:59] <Razor-X> you Firefox users talk about how IE is so stupid, but you sound just like IE users in your promotions
[01:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: headache passed hours ago...
[01:59] <Razor-X> nikkia: ahhhh, do you know it by heart?
[01:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: opera uses ugly widgets, has non-consistant widget behaviour, etc
[01:59] <Razor-X> one thing is, Opera users almost never advertise
[01:59] <nikkia> Razor-X: not offhand, no
[01:59] <Razor-X> nikkia: if you call QT widgets ugly... mmmkay ;0
[01:59] <bimberi> oompa: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[01:59] <Razor-X> hmmm, #emacs then
[02:00] <nikkia> Razor-X: if they're QT widgets, then i'm embarassed for trolltech :/
[02:00] <oompa> bimberi: Thanks again for helping this linux n00b
[02:00] <frank_> Razor-X: well they can't advertise here since Opera isn't free
[02:00] <bob2> oompa: but in general, you don't do that directly, you let synaptic do it for you
[02:00] <bimberi> oompa: np :) - hope you're enjoying the experience
[02:00] <nikkia> Razor-X: i have no issue with the main UI, its just the fugly preferences/etc
[02:00] <Razor-X> nikkia: I like my QT ;) and my KDE
[02:00] <Razor-X> frank_: there are no restrictions on advertising only free things
[02:01] <gvrocha> does any1 knows how to get a touchpad to do the scrolling in a toshiba laptop?
[02:01] <nikkia> Razor-X: so do i, but the widgets in the preferences for opera do NOT behave consistantly with other Qt widgets
[02:01] <Razor-X> nikkia: well, they are common with a few other QT apps
[02:01] <Razor-X> plus, you can skin Opera
[02:01] <nikkia> Razor-X: again, the main UI is ok
[02:01] <Razor-X> I hate the Firefox default look, looks like bare metal, to me
[02:01] <Kyral> Now how do I get packages that I backported from Breezy into Backports?
[02:01] <nikkia> its the preferences, which are not really overly affected by the skinning
[02:02] <bimberi> oompa: yes - you should install using synaptic where possible
[02:02] <Razor-X> Kyral: add in the backports to your sources.list? ;)
[02:02] <snouptcss> Razor-X: i have seen you advertising three times here
[02:02] <Razor-X> snouptcss: ok?
[02:03] <funkyHat> Razor-X, i like bare metal :)
[02:03] <Razor-X> probably the only thing I advertise vehemently is LaTeX and emacs
[02:03] <Kyral> Razor-X, I meant packages that I myself backported
[02:03] <Razor-X> funkyHat: ahhh, you can keep your bare metal ;)
[02:03] <snouptcss> Razor-X | one thing is, Opera users almost never advertise
[02:03] <funkyHat> hehehe
[02:03] <Razor-X> Kyral: where do you get your Breezy sources from?
[02:04] <Razor-X> snouptcss: that was a declaration, I don't think containing the word ``Opera'' is an advertisement
[02:04] <nikkia> razor, my biggest problem with opera, however, is that there is no host blocking ala adblock :/
[02:04] <snouptcss> snouptcss = auk
[02:04] <Kyral> Razor-X,  the Breezy Source Repo
[02:04] <Razor-X> nikkia: there is, IIRC
[02:04] <nikkia> razor, that, coupled with its inability to correctly position flash/JS pop-overs, renders it painful
[02:04] <Razor-X> Kyral: which is? ;)
[02:04] <Kyral> just replace the Hoary deb-src with the Breezy deb-src
[02:04] <Razor-X> nikkia: I disabled both, so, *shrugs*
[02:04] <snouptcss> razor-x, no, tyhat statement was not advertising, but several others were
[02:04] <nikkia> Razor-X: disabling JS isn't an option
[02:05] <Razor-X> nikkia: it is in Opera
[02:05] <nikkia> Razor-X: i mean for me
[02:05] <nikkia> Razor-X: my bank relies on it
[02:05] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[02:05] <Razor-X> heh
[02:05] <Razor-X> snouptcss: ok?
[02:05] <nikkia> altho, in fairness, their page doesn't work with opera anyway
[02:05] <snouptcss> nikkia: disable it and turn iot bakc on when you go to your bank site?
[02:05] <nikkia> snouptcss: urgh
[02:06] <snouptcss> you can have a toolbar button
[02:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: sorry about that... family issues
[02:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: what exactly is ugly about the widgets? I quite like them :P
[02:06] <nikkia> snouptcss: seriously, having to remember to turn on/off a feature because the browser authors can't introduce a nice feature to block hosts from running scripts by clicking on them once, isn't right
[02:06] <Razor-X> apokryphos: it's a user choice, i'm guessing
[02:07] <apokryphos> de gustibus non est disputandum to a degree, I guess
[02:07] <Razor-X> Firefox skyrocketed because IE had a bad time, and all of the geek friends of IE users reccomended it, Opera's been around for ages, so the dust's kinda settled
[02:07] <Razor-X> apokryphos: what language?
[02:07] <nikkia> Razor-X: are you suggesting i'm a FF newbie that just jumped on the bandwagon ?
[02:07] <Razor-X> nikkia: of course not
[02:07] <apokryphos> Razor-X: latin. "There's no arguing with tastess", basically
[02:08] <snouptcss> nikkia: 'by clicking on them once' ?
[02:08] <nikkia> i'll have you know i was using firefox since before it was called firefox :P
[02:08] <Razor-X> i'm saying that's where the share came from
[02:08] <Razor-X> nikkia: and so was I
[02:08] <Razor-X> back when it was a browser called Phoenix
[02:08] <Vjaz> Isn't taste the only thing you *can* argue about?
[02:08] <Razor-X> IMO, Firefox lost sight of their goal after the hype and the final name change
[02:08] <nikkia> snouptcss: i can block a whole domain's ****y .js/.swf ads with one click, and forget about it forever, with firefox :)
[02:08] <apokryphos> I was a huge firefox fan back in the day. Even when I saw Konqueror I disliked it quite a bit.   How useful is that for sucky banners :P
[02:10] <Razor-X> after two milestones of Firefox, I jumped of the bandwagon
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> off
[02:10] <Razor-X> ahh, my bad!
[02:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: eh? where? i've never seen these plugins!
[02:10] <Razor-X> s/of/off/
[02:10] <snouptcss> razor-x: no, free vs. ???, and functionality vs. functionality
[02:11] <funkyHat> apokryphos, or have adblock disable it in the first place?
[02:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: if they'd make it more obvious somewhere that such things exist, i MIGHT be able to like it more :)
[02:11] <Razor-X> uggghhh, #emacs is dead >_<
[02:11] <snouptcss> razor-x: i thought you used emacs?
[02:11] <Razor-X> snouptcss: it's a sed expression
[02:11] <snouptcss> ah
[02:11] <nikkia> Razor-X: i don't even have emacs installed atm, i recently switched to xemacs, otherwise i'd look up the function
[02:12] <nikkia> Razor-X: hold on, i know where i can find the function name....
[02:12] <Razor-X> nikkia: I was thinking of switching, but, I have too much stuff on my normal emacs
[02:12] <nikkia> i still have my .el files on my work machine, i'll vpn in and look
[02:12] <Razor-X> kickass! ;)
[02:12] <Razor-X> Ruby mode doesen't come with a compiler, how sad
[02:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: admittedly, I don't really know an organised resource for them, apart from a few basics. I discover a lot by accident. There might actually be a place, I just don't use Opera much. I still think it's great though ;-)
[02:13] <nikkia> Razor-X: (buffer-file-name)
[02:13] <apokryphos> funkyHat: not sure how that works, but the kill element is more convenient for me. Only block stuff that I want to block, specifically -- and it only takes literally two clicks, so hey
[02:13] <nikkia> and in my script, i strip out everything but the filename, with (file-name-nondirectory (buffer-file-name))
[02:13] <Razor-X> nikkia: crazy!
[02:14] <Razor-X> now, to use my fledgeling elisp skills! ;)
[02:14] <apokryphos> Rumour has it Opera is getting a built-in torrent client
[02:14] <Razor-X> apokryphos: rumor's been confirmed
[02:14] <nikkia> (its a script that automatically adds #ifndef __H_BLAH_ / #define __H_BLAH_   / .... / #endif   to .h files :)
[02:14] <Razor-X> oh, hah
[02:14] <Razor-X> see, emacs rawks ;)
[02:14] <Razor-X> i'm learning Ruby right now
[02:15] <nikkia> Razor-X: yeah, i just wanted to give xemacs a try tho, and found a few things 'better'
[02:15] <Razor-X> still, i'm squandering too long on crap in my environment
[02:15] <apokryphos> Razor-X: oh, nice. Konqueror will kind of have that eventually with kget. Just wish it weren't so buggy at the mo ;-)
[02:15] <Razor-X> apokryphos: hehe, yeah
[02:15] <Razor-X> in that sense, i'm a nut in my environment customization
[02:15] <Razor-X> I don't wanna leave emacs for nothing ;)
[02:15] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:15] <apokryphos> If it ain't broke, don't fix it 8)
[02:15] <Razor-X> ahhhh no!
[02:16] <Razor-X> not _that_ quote!
[02:16] <nikkia> doh, just realised we weren't in #k... :)
[02:16] <Razor-X> that is the quote I most abhor in all of the face of the Earth
[02:16] <dices> hello everyone
[02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: stop confusing me !!
[02:16] <Razor-X> nikkia: hahahaha!!!
[02:16] <Kyral> wee hoo! Compiling XChat 2.4.4
[02:16] <Razor-X> someone said that to me last time, I pushed him in our local body-of-water
[02:16] <dices> I am trying to install Eclipse 3.1 is in universe, added universe to the rep list , but apt-get cant find eclipse-platform and the file is there, any ideas ?
[02:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: confusion is to be multiplied, not suppressed! *goes off skipping into the sunset*
[02:17] <Razor-X> dices: added multiverse?
[02:17] <dices> yes
[02:17] <dices> Razor-X yes
[02:17] <Razor-X> not sure then
[02:17] <Razor-X> *shrugs* ;)
[02:17] <gpled> anyone know of a program that can work with .ai files?
[02:17] <apokryphos> d'oh
[02:17] <crimsun> dices, did you aptitude update first?
[02:18] <funkyHat> dices, apt-cache update
[02:19] <dices> funkyhat: yes updated too
[02:19] <mebaran151> what is the timeframe for fixing X on Breezy?
[02:19] <crimsun> mebaran151, When It's Done.
[02:19] <mebaran151> argh, I would like to use it, but I really do enjoy X
[02:19] <crimsun> dices, I presume you're using Breezy?
[02:19] <Razor-X> nikkia: you there?
[02:19] <dices> crimsum: hoary
[02:19] <dices> crimsun: hoary
[02:19] <mebaran151> and the mono platform looks like  a good one to develop on
[02:19] <crimsun> dices, it's only in Breezy
[02:19] <nikkia> yes?
[02:19] <Razor-X> can I PM you some stuff about emacs?
[02:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: ff your main browser these days, then?
[02:20] <mebaran151> crimsun, is the Ubuntu kernel set up to use inotify?
[02:20] <nikkia> Razor-X: yeah
[02:20] <Razor-X> I should read the actual elisp book, but that comes after ruby
[02:20] <mebaran151> and all the cool things BEagle uses?
[02:20] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, X will be fixed for October 13
[02:20] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, yes
[02:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: i split about evenly between FF, opera and konq atm, depending on task
[02:20] <mebaran151> neato
[02:20] <crimsun> mebaran151, for Breezy, yes
[02:20] <mebaran151> so it should Just Work (TM)
[02:20] <mebaran151> yeah
[02:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: i almost always end up going back to FF solely tho
[02:20] <mebaran151> Breezy has working mono packages?
[02:20] <apokryphos> =)
[02:21] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, yes
[02:21] <mebaran151> for AMD64?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> think so
[02:21] <mebaran151> have they uploaded E17 yet?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> someone was working on it, no idea
[02:21] <dices> check if you can install it eclipse-platform  is the name
[02:22] <mebaran151> I like my managers lightweight, but I prefer E17 to XFCE
[02:22] <dices> E: Package eclipse-platform has no installation candidate
[02:22] <mebaran151> I am on XFCE right now
[02:22] <mebaran151> all though Rox Filer is pretty good; gnome should use it
[02:22] <crimsun> dices, it's only in Breezy/universe
[02:22] <benplaut> but... but... no tree view?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> gnome will probably never use rox
[02:22] <benplaut> yeah
[02:22] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, pity
[02:22] <benplaut> nautilus is too tightly integrated
[02:23] <Burgundavia> nautlius got some major love for the next release
[02:23] <mebaran151> Rox does somethings just right; and I hate the whole nautilus open new window thing
[02:23] <jeran> Anyone know of a good mud client for use with Ubuntu? (I'm new to LInux)
[02:23] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, yeah?
[02:23] <benplaut> mebaran: well, you can always disable spatial mode
[02:23] <dices> crimsun i checked in hoary universe and i see it
[02:23] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, http://live.gnome.org/ReleasesNotes2p12Items
[02:24] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, when I check out the new Breezy (when it gets fixed) is the new nautilus there
[02:24] <mebaran151> I would love to help fix bugs
[02:24] <BunZip2> hi guys, sorry to bother you but i'm just interested in opendx image analisys system. Has anyone news or info about it? thank you
[02:24] <crimsun> dices, it does _not_ exist in Hoary/universe
[02:24] <mebaran151> but I cant take major bugs in X, as I need xwindows to work productively on anything
[02:25] <crimsun> dices, see m/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=eclipse-platform&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[02:25] <jeran> How do you check to see what is on the repositories?
[02:25] <crimsun> dices, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=eclipse-platform&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all rather
[02:25] <mebaran151> why is sound juicer SO slow on my system
[02:26] <mebaran151> it rips at like 2.4 times while goobox is able to do it at around 30
[02:26] <mebaran151> I like rhythmbox and would like to use goobox instead just for that
[02:26] <jeran> I think I broke Firefox....
[02:26] <bimberi> jeran: synaptic provides an interface for the repositories that you have enabled.  Otherwise there's http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:27] <nikkia> mebaran151: is soundjuicer isn't cdparanoia ?
[02:27] <jeran> I tried to update firefox and when it got done it gave me an error and now i'm unable to load firefox.. what should I do?
[02:27] <nikkia> isn't? that's supposed to be 'using'
[02:27] <mebaran151> nikkia, I wouldnt know
[02:28] <mebaran151> I think they both SHOULD use it
[02:28] <mebaran151> I mean cdparanoia is the definitive standard isnt it?
[02:28] <nikkia> mebaran151: a lot of rippers don't use it anymore
[02:28] <nikkia> which is a bit sad
[02:28] <mebaran151> I wonder why not?
[02:29] <mebaran151> I know Goobox and Grip use it, and I prefer Goobox
[02:29] <mebaran151> Goobox should be integrated with rhythmbox instead of sound juicer
[02:29] <nikkia> i use kaudiocreator, and it doesn't use it :/
[02:29] <mebaran151> I just cant get goobox to rip mp3's
[02:29] <mebaran151> I think it is an amd64 thing, and I can only get gstreamer-mad
[02:29] <nikkia> mebaran151: my scariest linux memory is that of running cdparanoia once
[02:29] <mebaran151> hmmm?
[02:30] <mebaran151> it is an app that NEEDS a frontend
[02:30] <bimberi> dices: How to install eclipse on hoary - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[02:30] <nikkia> runtime was 18 days
[02:30] <nikkia> amazingly, it managed to extract all but the last track of an album missing roughly 50% of the substrate
[02:30] <nikkia> granted, it took 18 days to do that, but still, its amazing :)
[02:30] <mebaran151> nikkia, yep
[02:30] <bimberi> dices: You'll need to install sun-j2sdk1.5 from backports
[02:31] <nikkia> (one of the infamous first batch faith no more CDs :)
[02:31] <gijosh> Hey.  What's the package for java support?  I have a friend who needs it.
[02:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: never had to rip a CD on Linux yet... what alternative apps are there?
[02:31] <MrGardenHoseMan> how do i change root's pass?
[02:31] <nikkia> (infamous, because they weren't sealed, the substrate rotted away after about 6 years)
[02:31] <MrGardenHoseMan> made the bloody thing too long
[02:31] <MrGardenHoseMan> now i get to ype it out every 5 minutes
[02:31] <MrGardenHoseMan> type*
[02:31] <apokryphos> MrGardenHoseMan: your sudo password?
[02:31] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[02:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: lots, you don't even need to use one
[02:32] <mebaran151> anyone know of an mp3 encoder for gsteramer?
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: the kio for cd ripping is very impressive
[02:32] <apokryphos> MrGardenHoseMan: sudo username passwd I should think
[02:32] <crimsun> gijosh, java-package in multiverse
[02:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool, thanks, I'll bear that in mind
[02:32] <mebaran151> apokryphos, goobox is REALLY nice
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: on a properly setup KDE, it'll offer MP3, Ogg, WAV and FLAC ripping by simply dragging the files
[02:32] <mebaran151> it even finds album art
[02:32] <gijosh> crimsun: Thanks.
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: and fills in the relevant tag info on each format
[02:33] <MrGardenHoseMan> nope that doesn't work
[02:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: nice, what does it use for that?
[02:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: no idea
[02:33] <apokryphos> MrGardenHoseMan: whoop, sorry, sudo passwd username
[02:33] <mebaran151> apokryphos, I think FreeDB
[02:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/kio.png
[02:34] <apokryphos> I recall RealPlayer being able to do that. amaroK uses musicbrainz for similar tag-completion, which seems decent too
[02:34] <dam_> im trying to follow instructions HERE - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy
[02:35] <mebaran151> mencoder is the best though
[02:35] <Crismo> Hi
[02:35] <mebaran151> at well anything except trying to use ogg with video
[02:35] <Crismo> I have question
[02:35] <dam_> i cant run - sudo ./armyops230-linux.run
[02:36] <jeran> How do I use the Synaptic 'Smart Update' function??
[02:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: loaded. Ah, looks nice; integrates with KDE -- excellent
[02:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: exactly, just drag the files to a folder, and that's it
[02:36] <mebaran151> apokryphos, but what if you dont use KDE?
[02:36] <Crismo> Someone can help me ?
[02:36] <nikkia> mebaran151: ah, but i know apokryphos does :)
[02:36] <mebaran151> all in all I think KDE is a better desktop though
[02:36] <apokryphos> mebaran151: who wouldn't? :P
[02:36] <nikkia> mebaran151: and it was apokryphos that asked :)
[02:36] <BunZip2> has anyone any idea if a package for opendx image analisys system is planned for hoary or breezy?
[02:37] <Crismo> I need help to install wine
[02:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think i've solved my sound problems, btw...
[02:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh?
[02:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: i just need to find a jack backend for arts :P
[02:37] <mebaran151> how good is Kate at syntax highlighting
[02:37] <mebaran151> and, how are the Ruby bindings in KDE
[02:37] <apokryphos> mebaran151: pretty excellent
[02:38] <Crismo> Anyone know how to install wine ?
[02:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: did you find out what was hogging the sound server?
[02:38] <apokryphos> !wine
[02:38] <ubotu> apokryphos: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:38] <apokryphos> hm
[02:38] <mebaran151> apokryphos, looking
[02:38] <mebaran151> yep
[02:38] <mebaran151> they are nice
[02:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes, arts had woken up *shrug*
[02:38] <apokryphos> Crismo: Open synaptic, install wine
[02:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: i might just turn off arts, i don't really use it
[02:39] <mebaran151> I might be tempted to buy a Qt license
[02:39] <apokryphos> Don't really use aRts at all myself; xine solved most of my issues with amaroK's sound for me, and KDE sounds are real cool at first, but annoy me later.
[02:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, same.
[02:39] <crafol> breezy is stable?
[02:39] <Crismo> how i did with terminal
[02:39] <apokryphos> Crismo: what? From terminal: sudo apt-get install wine
[02:39] <apokryphos> crafol: no
[02:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: have you seen that OSS now has an alsa emulation layer ? :)
[02:39] <Proteque_> how long does hoary plan to live?
[02:39] <Crismo> yes
[02:40] <Crismo> apokryphos
[02:40] <Proteque_> is it a good idea to use at a server?
[02:40] <Crismo> oops
[02:40] <crafol> thk :D
[02:40] <Proteque_> or should I use debian?
[02:40] <funkyHat> 6 months, as usual
[02:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: Nope. Wish I knew what that meant =)
[02:40] <mebaran151> but I believe I will be stuck in GTK for as long as a I work with WIndows
[02:40] <Proteque_> funkyHat: and then it is deprecated?
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: OSS == the old sound system on linux, a shareware thing
[02:40] <Crismo> apokryphos: yes
[02:40] <apokryphos> Proteque_: officially supported for the 18 months. 6 months after its birth the next release comes in
[02:40] <mebaran151> I still prefer E17
[02:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: yup, knew that ;-)
[02:40] <mebaran151> unfortunately recompiling it from src is painful
[02:40] <funkyHat> um, that should be when breezy is released
[02:41] <apokryphos> Proteque_: excellent as a server
[02:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: then you should be able to work out what it meant :P
[02:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, I understand, I guess. How long ago did that happen?
[02:42] <Crismo> apokryphos: when i go on Synaptic it say it installed
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: couple of weeks
[02:42] <Crismo> apokryphos: do i need alot of ram to run wine ?
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: they released the latest version after jwz's alsa rant, which was what? 3 weeks ago?
[02:42] <bob2> Proteque_: hoary will be supported until the end of 2006
[02:42] <apokryphos> Crismo: how much do you have?
[02:42] <ateves> is there a way to hide too long foldernames on the gnome desktop
[02:43] <ateves> ?
[02:43] <Crismo> apokryphos: 64mo
[02:43] <bob2> Proteque_: beyond that, paid support will be available
[02:43] <Crismo> apokryphos: that old pc
[02:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have no idea. Ignorant in the world of sound; just gimme my xine for amaroK and films and I'll be happy 8)
[02:43] <Tuplad> hello
[02:43] <BunZip2> hi Tuplad
[02:43] <Proteque_> apokryphos: bob2: okay. thanx
[02:44] <apokryphos> bob2: paid support is still available after 18 months? Oh, didn't know that..
[02:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: my problem is, i need to use linux audio for both casual use (mp3s, aac, etc) and semi-pro style audio recording :/
[02:44] <pax> paid support? Ubuntu is going MS way?
[02:44] <Tuplad> I just received 54 CD's of Ubuntu today :D
[02:44] <bob2> pax: er, no, of course not
[02:44] <apokryphos> pax: it's had it for some time
[02:44] <Crismo> apokryphos: is 64mo ram enought for wine ?
[02:44] <nikkia> rats!
[02:44] <Tuplad> Some guy speaking German, Im glad I can speak Dutch so I understanded him atleast a little :D
[02:44] <_mike> yo yo
[02:44] <Burgundavia> pax, not for the basica support
[02:44] <apokryphos> Crismo: depends on the program you're trying to run
[02:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: I see. What stuff do you do exactly? :)
[02:44] <_mike> correct me if i'm wrong but isn't cpp just a C compiler?
[02:44] <Proteque_> bob2: pay to supe apt reposities with updates then?
[02:44] <Crismo> apokryphos: first how to run wine ?
[02:44] <nikkia> jack's oss compatibility messes java up the same way aoss does :(
[02:45] <Agrajag> cpp is the C preprocessor
[02:45] <Crismo> apokryphos: i want play at a games (t4c)
[02:45] <Agrajag> g++ is the c++ compiler
[02:45] <Tuplad> this new ubuntu is working perfect :]  even on Live CD
[02:45] <_mike> alrightyyyy thanks
[02:45] <apokryphos> Crismo: wine works by creating a fake windows directory. It's in ~/.wine. To use it just run *.exe in wine, and go for it. What program are you trying to run?
[02:45] <Tuplad> Is Ubuntu for PUsers ?
[02:45] <Crismo> apokryphos: t4c it's game
[02:45] <crazy2k> What happens if I try to install Firefox with its installer rather than getting the Ubuntu package?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> crazy2k, you can do that, but it is not recommended
[02:46] <apokryphos> Crismo: chances are generally slim that it'll work; smaller the program, the more likely though. But yeah, the above is the basic of it. Plenty of stuff on Google, btw
[02:46] <Agrajag> of you do that, you should prbably install it in /usr/local/ so it doesn't overwrite the installed version
[02:46] <bob2> Proteque_: I'm not sure how it will be handled, we're still 8 months away from even warty's free support running out :)
[02:47] <crazy2k> Burgundavia, I wouldn't do it but, unfortunately, there's no Spanish language pack in the repository.
[02:47] <jeran> I'm lost on what to do.. Synaptic Package Manager stopped responding and now I can't close it.. and Firefox isn't working anymore..
[02:47] <pax> anyone have a link to some reading material about paid support, I'd like to understand what is it about.
[02:47] <mebaran151> jeran, killall synaptic
[02:47] <mebaran151> and killall firefox
[02:47] <Crismo> apokryphos: when i do search file ... and i search wine it only find picture or txt*
[02:47] <mebaran151> see if that fixes anything
[02:47] <apokryphos> Crismo: not sure what you mean...
[02:47] <bob2> pax: eh? it's just a way for people to get support on ancient versions the community long ago stoped caring for.
[02:47] <bob2> pax<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the place to ask, aiui
[02:47] <pax> ah ok.
[02:48] <mebaran151> why are gstreamers so poor
[02:48] <Crismo> apokryphos: in principal menu there is programe to search file
[02:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i play guitar, bass and keyboard myself
[02:48] <apokryphos> Crismo: what are you looking for?
[02:48] <bob2> mebaran151: in what way?
[02:48] <Crismo> apokryphos: wine but it only find txt or picture
[02:48] <Proteque_> I guess it is easy to dist-upgrade betwean hoary and the next stable version?
[02:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey, who needs band members? Quite the musician; cool stuff. :)
[02:48] <_mike> I'm trying to install nmap 3.81 and when i run make it exists because cpp: '-c'  is not a valid operation. i know i have to change something in the makefile. can anyone give me a an idea?
[02:48] <apokryphos> Crismo: the wine directory is in ~/.wine, I told you
[02:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: and recently been playing with nyquist a lot :P
[02:49] <airmikey> hi
[02:49] <apokryphos> Crismo: to run something with wine, right click on the .exe and then select there
[02:49] <Crismo> apokryphos:  how i can go there
[02:49] <_mike> it thinks i have a certain c compiler whcih uses -c which i obviously do not
[02:49] <Agrajag> _mike: why are you installing from source, is the version in apt too old?
[02:49] <Crismo> apokryphos: ohhh
[02:49] <apokryphos> Crismo: you'll have to install it first, though
[02:49] <bob2> _mike: what does it do that 3.75 doesn't?
[02:49] <Crismo> apokryphos: now i understant
[02:49] <Crismo> apokryphos: understand* thx
[02:49] <mebaran151> bob2 in that they play most things so jerkily
[02:49] <Crismo> apokryphos: i'll try it
[02:49] <BunZip2> bye
[02:49] <chillywilly> lalala
[02:49] <Mobius> bye
[02:49] <mebaran151> even when I tell them to use ffmpeg
[02:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: 3 in our family our reasonable musicians, but mainly my dad, who's been playing in his leisure time for ages. Every few months or so he'll get an odd guitar-related instrument (from some country or other), and then start learning to play it
[02:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: *nod* that's cool
[02:50] <bob2> mebaran151: that wouldn't have anything to do with your input decoder
[02:50] <jeran> Firefox still won't load up..
[02:50] <mebaran151> no I mean just in general for playback; I normally use them for playback only
[02:50] <Crismo> apokryphos: i'll try it and tell you if it work :D
[02:51] <mebaran151> I usually encode with the vorbistools
[02:51] <mebaran151> they seem to always have a bit of lag and jitter, at least on AMD64
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: latest is the Turkish Baglama 8)
[02:51] <_mike> agrajag, bob2, apt onlyh had 3.75 3.81 has is more accurate when it comes to 'filtered' ports, also comes iwth more fingerprints which means more service recognition
[02:51] <_mike> some bug fixes also
[02:51] <nikkia> anyway, bedtime for me
[02:52] <Agrajag> ok
[02:52] <Agrajag> so you did the usual ./configure && make right?
[02:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: 'night :)
[02:52] <jeran> Okay.. The package update thing told me to use apt-get dist-upgrade.. but I can't download 114mb's for ALL the updates.. what should I do about that? Is there another way to update Firefox without that?
[02:52] <Agrajag> did you install build-essential to get your compiler, maybe something's missing
[02:53] <jeran> oh, and that isn't just for firefox, it's ALL the updates I need..
[02:53] <_mike> agrajag, do i just run apt-get install build-essential? or like make build-essential?
[02:54] <Agrajag> apt-get install build-essential
[02:54] <Agrajag> well, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:54] <Agrajag> anyway
[02:54] <Agrajag> do that, see if it installs anything else, and try building nmap again
[02:55] <remyforbes777>   where are ubuntu's startup scripts located
[02:56] <remyforbes777> init.d?
[02:56] <Guest_545> Guest_545OK, back.
[02:56] <Guest_545> The people that were here before are probably gone, but I still have a problem.
[02:56] <_mike> ill try that agrajag thanks
[02:57] <hondje> remyforbes777: yes, /etc/init.d
[02:57] <Guest_545> I'm installing Ubuntu on my shitty laptop (not my main CPU), and it gets to a crash loop. I'm pretty sure I need the AMD version of Ubuntu, but I want to ask you first.
[02:57] <supernix> just curious how is envolution is anyone still using it or is it defunct ?
[02:57] <Guest_545> My laptop's CPU is an AMD K-6 3D. I don't know if it's got a 64-bit chipset... But it might.
[02:58] <jeran> After atp-get installs something, do I have to do anything else to get it to start up?
[02:58] <hondje> jeran: no, just run it usually
[02:58] <remyforbes777> hondje: thanks
[02:58] <nebular> I'm running kubuntu and when I try to install firefox it seems to want to install quite a bit of gnome stuff. is it safe to install it without the gnome dependancies, or is the version for ubuntu specifically compiled to need gnome stuff?
[02:58] <Guest_545> The Ubuntu install gets to a crash loop after it installs the CD rom drivers and starts actually INSTALLING Ubuntu... When it tries to install nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di there's a crash loop.
[02:58] <pax> remyforbes777: yes master script dir is /etc/init.d
[02:58] <hondje> Guest_545: if it's an AMD chip, you need the amd installation CD
[02:58] <Guest_545> I know, Hondje.
[02:59] <jeran> hondje: The reason I ask is because I removed and reinstalled mozilla-firefox and firefox and now when I go to start up firefox it says "Starting up Firefox" and then closes that and nothing happens..
[02:59] <gijosh> Hey.  Silly question, but I don't see it in the panel properties.  How do you add a launcher to the applications menu?
[02:59] <Guest_545> Hondje, the Ubuntu site says it only needs that for AMD chips with a 64-bit chipset.
[02:59] <hondje> jeran: open up a terminal and type in 'firefox', see if it gives any useful error messages
[02:59] <Guest_545> Hold on. Let me search the AMD site again, to see if I can find specs on my CPU. BRB.
[02:59] <_mike> agrajag, nope didnt work. gcc, and cpp, when i make it uses cpp. but cpp doesn't have a '-c' so i think it wants gcc instead
[02:59] <Guest_545> If anyone knows if an AMD K-6 3D is 64-bit, I'd appreciate it.
[02:59] <_SWAT_> hi, I'm looking for a program to re-encode/convert some MP3's (from 192 to 128). What's the best prog I can use?
[02:59] <_mike> whta do you think agrajag?
[02:59] <supernix> just curious how is envolution is anyone still using it or is it defunct ?
[02:59] <jeran> hondje: Nothing
[03:00] <_SWAT_> Guest_545, whats your speed? (mhz/ghz)
[03:00] <Guest_545> Shit. I don't remember. :(
[03:00] <dices> is there a weay to install breezy packagesi n hoary ?
[03:00] <Guest_545> But I know it's bad.. Probably somewhere around 200 to 500 MHz.
[03:00] <_SWAT_> Guest_545, then  you don't have a 64-bit cpu
[03:00] <jeran> hondje: It loads up when I do sudo firefox.. but not when I just start up firefox
[03:00] <Proteque_> Guest_545: AMD K-6 is a very old cpu
[03:01] <Makzu> Guest_545, K6 chips are only 32-bit.  The 64-bit chps are K8
[03:01] <Guest_545> OK, then why is the Ubuntu install stuttering?
[03:01] <_SWAT_> indeed, I thought so too (because I have one... it's 3500+)
[03:01] <Makzu> Guest_545, You need a couple more Ks first
[03:01] <Guest_545> When it gets to nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di it stops.
[03:01] <Agrajag> _mike: well, as I said cpp is the C preprocessor
[03:01] <hondje> jeran: hrm
[03:01] <Agrajag> so it runs whenever you use gcc
[03:01] <Guest_545> It tries to install the file, screen goes black, then tries again, then black, then it tries again, then it's black.
[03:01] <Guest_545> It loops.
[03:02] <pinko> question: do any linux bittorrent clients let you pick and choose files in a torrent?
[03:02] <Proteque_> Guest_545: forever?
[03:02] <Guest_545> Yes.
[03:02] <Agrajag> pinko: bittornado does
[03:02] <_mike> cpp: "-c" is not a valid option to the preprocessor
[03:02] <_mike> make: *** [main.o]  Error 1
[03:02] <_mike> right, agrajag, here the 'problem':
[03:02] <_mike> well above it..
[03:02] <pinko> Agrajag: never noticed that.  I'll have to look at it some more.
[03:03] <pinko> and, hopefully that includes the curses version
[03:03] <hondje> jeran: what does 'firefox -ProfileManager' do?
[03:03] <Guest_545> Proteque---Yes.
[03:03] <Agrajag> uh, I don't think so, I think you need btdownloadgui to pick files
[03:03] <pinko> ok
[03:03] <jeran> hondje: That worked.. I made another user and it started up
[03:04] <Agrajag> anyway _mike I'm not sure about it, I'm sitting in windows right now so Ican't check the cpp manual and see what, if anything, -c is supposed to do
[03:04] <hondje> jeran: awesome :)
[03:04] <jeran> hondje: Thanks!
[03:04] <Guest_545> ...Anyone...?
[03:04] <hondje> no problem
[03:04] <Proteque_> Guest_545: when it is installing this package? sounds really strange.
[03:04] <Guest_545> Proteque, I wrote it down.
[03:04] <supernix> I installed Kubuntu but I am curious what would be the best way to install Gnome as well ?
[03:04] <Guest_545> I'll tell you exactly what it does.
[03:04] <nebular> ok, I was checking out the mozilla-firefox package for debian and it doesn't depend on any gnome packages. is there any reason why I shouldn't use deselect and force it to ignore the gnome stuff in kubuntu?
[03:04] <supernix> would that be like a bad thing?
[03:04] <Guest_545> I run the boot disk and the Ubuntu install screen comes up. It asks me to press enter for the default install or type server for the base install.
[03:05] <_mike> alright thanks for the hell so far agrajag
[03:05] <_mike> help*
[03:05] <_mike> ha
[03:05] <Guest_545> So, I press enter, then it unpacks a bunch of files. After that, it says it's going to run in low memory mode (I only have 32 MB of RAM) and that I need to set up a swap area after install.
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> 32mb ram.. damn
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> my router has that :/
[03:06] <Guest_545> Then, I select English, and an American English keyboard. Then, it installs the CD rom... It scans the CD rom.. Then it's loading additional component.
[03:06] <jeran> hondje: Well.. Actually it only starts when I do it that way... I'm not sure what's wrong, should I edit the icon to just go to that each time?
[03:07] <Guest_545> When it starts installing nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di there is a crash loop. It keeps saying "retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di", it goes to 1%, then the screen goes black and it repeats.
[03:07] <abarbaccia> i <3 ubuntu - my rio carbon is "plug and play" to a whole new level
[03:08] <Guest_545> Oh, and the version of Ubuntu I'm installing is 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[03:10] <Guest_545> ..Anyone...?
[03:11] <stodge> Anyone else finding Firefox 1.02 under Hoary very flaky?
[03:11] <abarbaccia> stodge, why are you using 1.02
[03:11] <jmanns> yup
[03:11] <bryan> Guest_545, just a shot in the air... have u tried using another CD?
[03:11] <stodge> I didnt see the update for it
[03:11] <abarbaccia> stodge, do you ahve hte backports installed?
[03:11] <tritium> stodge, there hasn't been one yet
[03:11] <abarbaccia> sources listed
[03:11] <Guest_545> Bryan, I *can* try burning it again, but that'll take life 30 minutes.
[03:11] <stodge> Backports? No
[03:11] <abarbaccia> tritium, you must be lying because im using 1.04
[03:12] <jmanns> are there any cool free games i can play under gnome?
[03:12] <stodge> I'm just using thebasic installation plus auto updates
[03:12] <tritium> abarbaccia, dude, that's rather rude...
[03:12] <Guest_545> When you say another CD, do you mean burning it again, or another version? (Like the AMD version, or Warty Warthog)
[03:12] <Guest_545> *like 30 minutes
[03:12] <abarbaccia> tritium, lighten up - i'm just being a wiseass
[03:12] <tritium> abarbaccia, I don't use backports -- only official repos for me
[03:12] <_mike> humm i successfully installed nmap 3.81, but when i run $nmap i still get 3.75 do i have to do something else after make install to run the new version?
[03:12] <bryan> Guest_545, I think most of us have successfully downloaded and installed from CD, so maybe u can try burning it again, also u can try to do md5sum of the iso miage
[03:13] <bryan> *image
[03:13] <Guest_545> Bryan, how do I do an md5sum of the iso?
[03:13] <abarbaccia> tritium, i would recommend you add them though because of security fixes
[03:13] <stodge> 1.0.2 tends to wander off into lala land without returning GUI control tome. Had to kill it five time tonight
[03:13] <tritium> abarbaccia, the security fixes in 1.0.4 are in 1.0.2
[03:13] <_mike> guest_545 sudo apt-get install md5sum, then $md5sum blablbla.iso
[03:13] <abarbaccia> tritium, i was unaware
[03:13] <tritium> !firefox
[03:14] <jeran> I'm still confused about my firefox installation..
[03:14] <tritium> abarbaccia, if you type "!firefox", ubotu will explain to you
[03:14] <ed1t> help....my gnome menu bar is messed up
[03:14] <ed1t> is there any way i can reset it?:
[03:14] <Big_O> ugh
[03:15] <Guest_545> Bryan or anyone else--how do I do an md5sum?
[03:15] <zerboxx> Why is it that after I play a DVD in my laptop, I can't use the drives eject button, I have to right click on the icon and hit eject?
[03:15] <_mike> guest_545 i just told you
[03:15] <_mike> guest_545 sudo apt-get install md5sum, then $md5sum blablbla.iso
[03:15] <abarbaccia> zerboxx, because linux has the drive mounted - you need to umount before ejecting
[03:15] <Guest_545> Oh, okay, sorry. Didn't see it
[03:15] <abarbaccia> zerboxx, its susposed to bel ike that for all devices
[03:16] <Big_O> ok if i want to link a bin directory so that i can use it on the comand line what file do i have to edit or do i just do a symbolic link to the directory
[03:16] <Guest_545> Mike, I don't understand what you mean.
[03:16] <Guest_545> Sudo apt-get... what...?
[03:16] <Big_O> jdk has to be a pain in the arse
[03:16] <Big_O> <_<
[03:16] <zerboxx> abarbaccia: So right clicking, and hitting eject does just that?
[03:16] <keikoz> mmh
[03:16] <keikoz> Guest_545 you should maybee read the basics howto about linux
[03:17] <bob2> Big_O: depends exactly what you're trying to do
[03:17] <Guest_545> Keikoz, I'm planning on just playing with it, after installing.
[03:17] <keikoz> humm
[03:17] <keikoz> good luck :o)
[03:17] <_mike> guest_545 what are you not understanding? type this at the terminal: sudo apt-get install -y md5sum
[03:18] <abarbaccia> zerboxx, yep, it unmounts the drive - you can also do a umount /media/cdrom from a term then hit the eject button
[03:18] <_mike> this will install md5sum for you which checks md5sums
[03:18] <_mike> copy and paste
[03:18] <Big_O> ive got jdk installed in a directory, i want to use the bin directory in it on the comand line =?
[03:18] <Agrajag> _mike: still having trouble?
[03:18] <vader> keikoz: I have been reading that fairly regularly, and it has helped a lot
[03:18] <Agrajag> Where did you install nmap to?
[03:18] <Guest_545> From the Ubuntu boot disk's first screen?
[03:18] <Agrajag> I bet you're looking at the one in /usr/bin, and you installed it to /usr/local/bin
[03:18] <_mike> actually agrajag, i installed the binary to my nmap directory
[03:18] <keikoz> vader i imagine
[03:18] <Agrajag> nmap directory?
[03:19] <_mike> i installed it in /root/nmap-3.81
[03:19] <Agrajag> well then it's not in $PATH
[03:19] <Guest_545> Mike--from the Ubuntu CD's first screen?
[03:19] <vader> well, it helped me understand what to do when it came to installing my wireless card
[03:19] <Agrajag> install it to /usr/local/ and make sure /usr/local/bin/ is in $PATH
[03:19] <zerboxx> abarbaccia: Having to right click is more than enough :) thanks tho
[03:19] <_mike> alright agrajag thanks
[03:19] <bob2> Big_O: just add it to your $PATH
[03:19] <_mike> guest_545, do what i said before
[03:20] <bob2> Big_O: or symlink the binaries into /usr/local/bin
[03:20] <jeran> Why does firefox run when I type 'sudo firefox' but not only 'firefox' and it works when I do 'firefox -ProfileManager'
[03:20] <jeran> but not when I type 'firefox' rather
[03:20] <_mike> dont' put the cd in guest_545 LISTEN. open a terminal. at the prompt <user>@ubuntu:$ type this: sudo apt-get install -y md5sum
[03:20] <Big_O> ok thanks
[03:20] <Guest_545> Mike, I don't have Linux on any other computer.
[03:20] <Guest_545> I have Windows on all my computers and am installing Ubuntu on my laptop.
[03:21] <_mike> so you haven't installed ubuntu yet?
[03:21] <Guest_545> NO.
[03:21] <Big_O> can i symlink the directory or do i have to do each individual file?
[03:21] <Guest_545> I am having PROBLEMS installing it. That's what I'm talking about! :P
[03:21] <bob2> jeran: perhaps your firefox user data is screwed
[03:21] <_mike> ohhhhhh
[03:21] <bob2> jeran: does moving ~/firefox out of the way fix it?
[03:21] <_mike> what are the problems?
[03:21] <bob2> er, ~/.firefox
[03:22] <jeran> bob2: It says no such directory
[03:22] <Guest_545> After it installs the CD rom driver, it starts installing files.. When it gets nc-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-286-di there is a crash loop.
[03:22] <bob2> jeran: ~/.mozilla/firefox, then
[03:22] <bob2> Guest_545: where did you get the cd from/
[03:22] <Guest_545> It tries to install nc-extra-modules-2.6.10-5-286-di then the screen goes black, then it tries again, then the screen goes black, and it repeats forever.
[03:23] <jeran> bob2: No such directory again
[03:23] <zerboxx> how would I go about formatting a usb harddrive??
[03:23] <Guest_545> Bob2--Ubuntulinux.org
[03:23] <Guest_545> Intel x86 install CD.
[03:23] <Guest_545> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[03:23] <bob2> jeran: how odd
[03:23] <_mike> humm, im not sure guest_545 may want to google up on checking md5sums in windows and check it there
[03:24] <bob2> Guest_545: so, you downloaded it yourself.  boot it in expert mode, and ask it to verify the cd
[03:24] <_mike> if you stil lhave that iso on a working computer
[03:24] <jeran> bob2: I can create a new profile and it loads up just fine.. I just had a lot of trouble with firefox earlier and I did an apt-get remove of it and it's been doing this ever since I tried to reinstall it
[03:24] <bob2> jeran: removing it won't have affected this
[03:24] <Guest_545> Ok, Bob2. BRB.
[03:24] <bob2> unless it's caused by corrupt system files
[03:24] <jeran> bob2: This all started because I was trying to upgrade firefox *sigh*
[03:25] <bob2> yes, it is way better to just leave it alone
[03:26] <elmagozizou> Hi... Why if I have the nvidia kernel module instaled and enabled I cant play tux racer well..and my Opengl sreensavers doesnt see very well
[03:26] <elmagozizou> the only thing is fine is 3ddesktop
[03:26] <_SWAT_> hi, I'm looking for a program to re-encode/convert some MP3's (from 192 to 128). What's the best prog I can use?
[03:27] <Super_BQ> how do you start Gnome desktop from terminal prompt?
[03:27] <_mike> startx
[03:27] <jeran> bob2: It would probably be easier to just reinstall ubuntu, lol
[03:27] <_mike> then at logon click session and choose your windows manager
[03:27] <jeran> bob2: I was trying to update firefox because of the security patches..
[03:28] <bob2> jeran: I really doubt reinstalling is a useful course of action
[03:28] <pschulz01_> greetings
[03:28] <bob2> jeran: er, that was silly, the version in ubuntu has all those security patches
[03:28] <Super_BQ> comes back saying /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xservers: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory
[03:28] <bob2> Super_BQ: you're using breezy?
[03:28] <abarbaccia> hey does anybody know what sources are needed for installing transcode?
[03:28] <jeran> bob2: I had 1.0.2 installed and apt-get told me that there were updates avaiable.
[03:28] <pschulz01_> I am using ubuntu, and have been asked to supply a 'vcard' to someone..
[03:28] <Super_BQ> installed Ubunto 'server' for minimal space
[03:28] <pschulz01_> how would I do this?
[03:28] <bob2> jeran: yes, which have the patches applied to 1.0.2
[03:29] <Super_BQ> bob2: i'm sorry I don't know what breezy is :( - i'm quite new to linux
[03:29] <pschulz01_> I have entere my details into the 'contacts' in evolution.. what would the next step be?
[03:29] <Guest_545> OK, it's checking the CD's integrity now.
[03:29] <QMario> How can I correctly write an .iso file to a CD-
[03:29] <bob2> Super_BQ: if you did a serer install, you don't have X or gnome
[03:29] <Guest_545> It will be a minute.
[03:29] <Super_BQ> i installed by apt-get install gnome-desktop
[03:30] <QMario>  How can I correctly write an .iso file to a CD-R/CD-RW?
[03:30] <bob2> QMario: right click on it in the file manage, select "write to cd"
[03:30] <Super_BQ> bob2: yep. and I installed it after (is that not the same?)
[03:30] <Guest_545> QMario, are you on Windows?
[03:30] <bob2> Super_BQ: apparently you didn't; sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:30] <Guest_545> No, Bob2... Windows does not write CD images.
[03:30] <Guest_545> It will just burn the ISO as a file.
[03:30] <QMario> Guest_545, no I am on Ubuntu.
[03:30] <Guest_545> Oh, okay, nevermind.
[03:30] <bob2> Super_BQ: assuming you want the whole ubuntu desktop installed
[03:30] <QMario> Bob2, that's it?
[03:30] <Super_BQ> bob2: easier to do a full install instead?
[03:31] <jeran> Guest_545: A program like Alcohol 120% could burn your .iso image to the CD for you, correctly..
[03:31] <apokryphos> cafuego: you here? :)
[03:31] <NetEcho> where does the ubuntu livecd keep the network config
[03:31] <NetEcho> ?
[03:31] <Guest_545> Jeran, I don't need it. :P
[03:31] <bob2> QMario: yes
[03:31] <bob2> Super_BQ: no
[03:31] <Guest_545> Ubuntu is already on disc. I was just trying to help QMario.
[03:31] <zerboxx> How do I go about formatting a usb harddrive??
[03:31] <bytecoder> why would you use aptitude for that?
[03:31] <jeran> Guest_545: Aye.. I'm just throwing in my two cents to the matter on windows..
[03:31] <abarbaccia> Guest_545, i thought if you open the cdwrite folder and go to open you can select the iso image
[03:31] <QMario> Okay. Thank you everyone! :)
[03:31] <bob2> zerboxx: with the "mkfs" command
[03:32] <wolfjames54> I just installed Ubuntu and they never asked me for a root password so I have no idea what it is. does anyone know if there's a default root password?
[03:32] <teferi> there is no root password
[03:32] <teferi> you use sudo
[03:32] <bytecoder> wolfjames54, it's the same as your normal account password
[03:32] <Guest_545> Abarbaccia, I don't think so. I always had to use programs like Nero or Alcohol to burn CD-images. Windows XP never did it.
[03:32] <wolfjames54> awsome
[03:32] <wolfjames54> thaks
[03:32] <bob2> wolfjames54: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:32] <bytecoder> well, sudo is set up to accept your password
[03:32] <zerboxx> bob2: followed by whatnow?
[03:32] <bytecoder> there is no password for root
[03:32] <pschulz01_> Can I extract my details in a 'vcard' format somehow?
[03:32] <bob2> wolfjames54: also, the installer explained it to you
[03:32] <NetEcho> anyone?
[03:32] <Guest_545> AFK.
[03:32] <bytecoder> you have to use sudo, unless you want to set root's password manually
[03:32] <wolfjames54> did it?
[03:32] <giant> sup all
[03:32] <jeran> bob2: So.. Am I just screwed over and no way to fix my problem?
[03:32] <bob2> pschulz01_: perhaps try #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[03:32] <abarbaccia> Guest_545, damn them all then
[03:32] <giant> hows everyone doing tonight?
[03:33] <bob2> jeran: of course not
[03:33] <tritium> wolfjames54, plenty of other good documentation in the topic (see the FAQs and User Documentation links)
[03:33] <pschulz01_> bob2: cheers
[03:33] <wolfjames54> alright thanks
[03:33] <bob2> jeran: presumably, getting rid of your local firefox data would fix it;you never explained how you broke it to begin with, though
[03:33] <bob2> jeran: if it involved "backports", then you have to talk to them
[03:33] <Super_BQ> bob2: am I suppose to type 'sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop' before doing the apt-get install gnome-desktop ?
[03:34] <bob2> Super_BQ: gnome-desktop won't install what you think it will.  the command I gave you will give you a full desktop
[03:34] <bob2> Super_BQ: why did you install it in server mode to begin with?
[03:35] <Super_BQ> bob2: i won't be using it as a desktop. I want to leave it as a router/ftp server but when I put in firestarter it says I have to go into gnome to configure it
[03:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the difference between .gz and .bz2 files?
[03:35] <bob2> Super_BQ: er
[03:35] <Super_BQ> bob2: I couldn't find any info on how to configure the firestarter
[03:35] <bob2> routers don't have X or firestarter installed
[03:35] <abarbaccia> can someone try to help me out and stat the debian nerim testing main and stable main repos - im getting md5 mismatches i can't get around
[03:35] <giant> does anyone haev any experience with running Half-Life2 under Ubuntu
[03:35] <Super_BQ> so firewall and routers don't go together?
[03:35] <MrGardenHoseMan> can i just get either/or and it'll do the trick?
[03:35] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: different compression formats.  bzip2 tends to get slightly better compression than gzip.
[03:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> ahh
[03:36] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: you can download either, yes, but the bzip2 will probably be a bit smaller
[03:36] <bob2> Super_BQ: no, really routers don't have gui tools, tho.  anyway, just install firestarter on it, then connect to it from another linux machine with "ssh -X user@firewall"
[03:36] <elmagozizou> Hi... Why if I have the nvidia kernel module instaled and enabled I cant play tux racer well..and my Opengl sreensavers doesnt see very well...the only thig I can do is 3ddesktop
[03:37] <bob2> abarbaccia: neither of those work for haory
[03:37] <funkyHat> grrrr. gftp keeps dieing
[03:37] <Super_BQ> bob2: I just thought it was stupid in the ubunto users guide that you install firestarter and then go into Gnome :|
[03:38] <bob2> Super_BQ: "ubuntu"
[03:38] <bob2> Super_BQ: presuma blly the user guide was talking about people running firestarter on workstations
[03:38] <Guest_545> Bob2---I'm back. The CD rom was valid.
[03:38] <_mike> when i am installing somethign how to i edit $PATH? Makefile or command line? cus ther is not $PATH in the makefile
[03:38] <Guest_545> It's a good copy of Ubuntu. :p
[03:38] <Super_BQ> ok i'll have to install ssh 1st
[03:38] <Guest_545> So, now what?
[03:39] <tritium> _mike, in your ~/.bashrc is a good place
[03:39] <bob2> Guest_545: now ask on the ubuntu-users list
[03:39] <Guest_545> ... Ok.
[03:39] <Guest_545> One last question.
[03:40] <zerboxx> bob2: Any further help on formatting my usb harddrive? you said mkfs, but I'm not sure what should follow that /media/external?
[03:40] <tritium> _mike, for example, you might have something like "export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin" in your ~/.bashrc
[03:40] <bob2> zerboxx: no, the device node
[03:40] <Guest_545> I formatted with a CD-boot disk. It was a DOS-like program. My question is: Could the file system that it formatted it in cause problems?
[03:40] <bob2> zerboxx: which you need to find out manually, by looking at /var/log/messages
[03:40] <zerboxx> bob2: can you explain to me what to be looking for?
[03:40] <_mike> so if i was installing nmap i can edit that file and tell it where to install?
[03:40] <abarbaccia> bob2, if you could help me out with what sources are needed to install transcode i would apprecaite it
[03:40] <bob2> zerboxx: e.g. /dev/sda
[03:40] <bob2> abarbaccia: no, sorry
[03:41] <funkyHat> :| gftp is sending php files in binary mode, that's not right is it :S?
[03:41] <Guest_545> Bob2--My question above.
[03:41] <bob2> it would involved rebuilding it yourself, it seems
[03:41] <bob2> Guest_545: please don't bother specific people
[03:41] <bob2> and "no"
[03:41] <Guest_545> k
[03:41] <Super_BQ> bob2: is there a line command that I can 'uninstall' the gnome?
[03:41] <Super_BQ> like apt-get uninstall ?
[03:41] <Guest_545> Well, thanks anyway. I'll have to figure it out myself. :(
[03:41] <Guest_545> AFK
[03:42] <teferi> grah, firefox in breezy is broken
[03:42] <tritium> _mike, installing nmap from the repositories?
[03:42] <teferi> (yes, yes, it's breezy, breakage is expected)
[03:42] <bob2> Super_BQ: remove, but it won't do twhat you think it will
[03:42] <bob2> Super_BQ: in future, use aptitude
[03:42] <_mike> no i have the source, repo only has 3.75 im instlaling 3.81
[03:42] <modderclocker> wena wena cauros
[03:42] <modderclocker> basilen www.warextreme.tk
[03:43] <tritium> _mike, use can specify where to install it with the "--prefix" option when you make it
[03:43] <modderclocker> what up??
[03:43] <modderclocker> chile
[03:43] <tritium> what I showed you earlier was for setting your path env. variable
[03:43] <Super_BQ> ok brb.
[03:44] <modderclocker> hello
[03:44] <zerboxx> What is the pastebin for ubuntu?
[03:44] <tritium> it's in the /topic
[03:44] <bob2> just use #flood
[03:44] <modderclocker> www.warextreme.tk
[03:44] <tritium> modderclocker, please stop advertising
[03:45] <modderclocker> nos vcemos
[03:45] <modderclocker> chaela
[03:45] <zerboxx> bob2: I've put the last bit of /var/logs/messages in the pastebin, can you check it out for me please? (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/695)
[03:46] <bob2> zerboxx: so, it's /dev/sda
[03:46] <bob2> assuming you don't want to partition it
[03:47] <zerboxx> bob2: I just want to format that, and leave everything on my internal hd just the way it is
[03:47] <bob2> then go for it
[03:47] <abarbaccia> bob2, if i wanted to install transcode from breezy - but only transcode and not use breezy for anything but that, what's the easiest way to do that - set a restriction or something to only use breezy when absolutly needed
[03:47] <zerboxx> bob2: so would it be mkfs /dev/sda?
[03:47] <bob2> which part of the mkfs help output was unclear?
[03:47] <bob2> no
[03:47] <bob2> abarbaccia: no, that won't help
[03:47] <bob2> abarbaccia: you'd need to try to build the breezy source on hoary
[03:47] <bob2> or else you get breezy's libc etc
[03:47] <abarbaccia> bob2, would that be bad?
[03:48] <bob2> yes
[03:48] <abarbaccia> bob2, what does libc do?
[03:49] <bob2> it's the basic library every single other binary on your system uses
[03:49] <abarbaccia> bob2, what i figured - just making sure - and what debian sources can i use?
[03:49] <abarbaccia> testing?
[03:50] <tritium> you don't want to do that either
[03:50] <bob2> no
[03:50] <bob2> as I said, if you think the brezy package works, build that source on ubunt
[03:50] <bob2> er, hoary
[03:50] <keikoz> changing the libc library on a systeme ?
[03:51] <abarbaccia> keikoz, well, we think that should be avoided
[03:51] <abarbaccia> bob2, its the dependency problems that are the issue - and its not just libc
[03:51] <bob2> yes, I know
[03:52] <abarbaccia> how would i go about building it?
[03:52] <_mike> do most debian apps work with ubuntu?
[03:52] <keikoz> i think changing the libc is a bad bad bad idea
[03:52] <bob2> _mike: yes, but don't use packages from debian.org on ubuntu
[03:52] <_mike> i'm trying to get a bigger list of repositorie
[03:52] <_mike> s
[03:52] <hondje> _mike: most 'debian' apps are in ubuntu's repositories
[03:53] <bob2> _mike: what is in debian that isn't in ubuntu?
[03:53] <robertj> Marc's talk is really good, but the video is really a bandwith waste
[03:53] <_mike> well, im not focusing on debian apps. I'm just looking for more ubuntu repositories.
[03:53] <bob2> _mike: e.g.?
[03:53] <bob2> adding random repositories to your sources.list is just silly
[03:54] <tritium> _mike, beyond universe and multiverse?
[03:54] <pschulz01_> bob2: regarding 'vcards'.
[03:54] <_mike> yea, right now i have 15 repositories in sources.list
[03:54] <hondje> tritium: the inner physicist in me cringes to hear that :)
[03:54] <_mike> including cdrom
[03:54] <_mike> just wondering what else is out there
[03:54] <bob2> _mike: that's going to be painful
[03:54] <tritium> hondje, yeah, I was thinking along the same lines as I hit return ;)
[03:54] <bob2> pschulz01_: ?
[03:54] <hondje> hehe
[03:54] <_mike> other than universe multiverse and restricted
[03:54] <apokryphos> _mike: if you don't know what else you want, then there's no real need to have other repos...
[03:54] <pschulz01_> bob2: the #evolution channel was very quiet... (ie. nobody talking)
[03:54] <hondje> backports, I guess
[03:55] <bob2> vcards are a silly thing invented by the sort of people who buy windows pdas
[03:55] <pschulz01_> bob2: You can drag and drop from address boot to emails!
[03:55] <pschulz01_> bob2: You can drag and drop from address book to emails!
[03:55] <bob2> pschulz01_: and I can hit three keys in mutt to do the same
[03:55] <teferi> bob2: vcards are not silly by any stretch of the imagination
[03:55] <_mike> its not that i want things. why search for apps in 15 repos when you could search for  an apt in 25!?
[03:55] <teferi> they're the lingua franca for contacts exchange
[03:55] <teferi> everything understands vcards. even, like, cellphones
[03:56] <hondje> _mike: why walk when you can run into a wall?
[03:56] <_mike> stablitiy reasons, and dependencies i suppose
[03:56] <pschulz01_> bob2: I was asked to supply a vcard to a linux friendly company who is going to supply me wich cheep hardware,,\
[03:56] <bob2> _mike: yeah, quantity, not quality, rock!
[03:56] <bob2> pschulz01_: ok!
[03:56] <bob2> pschulz01_: I don't know where else to ask then, try the evolution user list
[03:56] <bob2> assuming you did the obvious export stuff
[03:56] <hondje> what about vcards?
[03:56] <pschulz01_> bob2: I found out what I wanted...
[03:56] <chillywilly> what's wrong with vcards?
[03:57] <teferi> it's a crappy format, sure, but there are zillion tools out there to parse 'em
[03:57] <teferi> modules for any language you care to name
[03:57] <teferi> and like i said, everything understands 'em
[03:57] <pschulz01_> I filled out the details in evolution address book for myself, and dragged the entry into the attachement bar of my email.
[03:57] <teferi> even cellphones
[03:57] <regeya_> I suppose someone will try to claim that ldif > *
[03:57] <regeya_> or that we need to exchange contact info in *gag* XML
[03:58] <teferi> ldif isn't particularly awful, if you're using ldap
[03:58] <chillywilly> xml it is then
[03:58] <regeya_> chillywilly
[03:58] <teferi> um, if you're using ldap, you really shouldn't be using anything else, actually...
[03:58] <robertj> ldiff scares me and I run slapd
[03:58] <hondje> ldap hurts my head
[03:58] <pschulz01_> especially cellphones :-)
[03:58] <teferi> and fuck, i'd rather have some xml format than vcard
[03:58] <hondje> I'm so glad I'm not an admin
[03:58] <teferi> vcard is arcane
[03:58] <regeya_> slapd
[03:58] <regeya_> um
[03:58] <regeya_> hm.
[03:58] <teferi> don't look at me
[03:58] <teferi> i rolled out our ldap setup at my college
[03:58] <teferi> :P
[03:59] <regeya_> I'd rather have anything other than XML
[03:59] <pschulz01_> bob2: cheers, thanks for the pointers...
[03:59] <hondje> because you hate life, teferi ?
[03:59] <teferi> hondje: 'cause i got paid to do it
[03:59] <hondje> a far better reason
[03:59] <robertj> XML is great, it's just a nasty reminder that we don't have all the GUI tools that we would like
[03:59] <teferi> also because it's still the best way around of doing single-sign-on
[03:59] <chillywilly> or not

[04:00] <regeya_> wheee
[04:00] <regeya_> that's fun
[04:00] <robertj> teferi: OS X has single-sign-on more or less whipped, I hope Ubuntu catches up
[04:00] <Guest_545> BTW, someone had my same problem in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29223.html
[04:00] <hondje> doesn't os x just use ssh-agent?
[04:00] <Guest_545> No one answered. :x
[04:00] <teferi> robertj: er, i mean in a network environment
[04:00] <robertj> teferi: yes...
[04:01] <teferi> os x server uses ldap by now, doesn't it?
[04:01] <teferi> i know they're trying to move away from netinfo
[04:01] <robertj> teferi: ldap + krb by default with the last 2 versions
[04:01] <teferi> ah
[04:01] <teferi> yeah, ldap+krb is pretty sweet
 <lastname>momma</lastname>
[04:01] <robertj> and afs, nfs, and smbfs are all kerberized
[04:01] <Guest_545> AFK
[04:01] <chillywilly> boy this is fun....
[04:01] <teferi> er, afs should be kerberized, considering that it's afs :P
[04:01] <DAC1138> okay, i got a friend whos going to get a mac soon and he needs virtual pc to run windows, are there any free x86 emualtors for the ppc linux?
[04:02] <teferi> afs is dreamy
[04:02] <Kyral> wine?
[04:02] <bob2> DAC1138: qemu
[04:02] <teferi> if only it wasn't such a SOB to set up on the server end
[04:02] <teferi> Kyral: nope, that's not an emulator
[04:02] <DAC1138> i told him to think about wine
[04:02] <bob2> Kyral: Wine Is Note an Emulator
[04:02] <robertj> tefari: unfortunately in this context its apple file sharing and not afs ;)
[04:02] <teferi> oh
[04:02] <teferi> you mean afp
[04:02] <robertj> Although ther _is_ a prepackaged AFS kerberized binary!
[04:02] <Kyral> Yah, does the same thing :D
[04:02] <DAC1138> i told him to install linux, use Mac on linux to run osx, and then run the linux x86 app to run windows/windows programs
[04:02] <teferi> nope, it just loads windows binaries and runs the native code, kyral
[04:02] <teferi> big difference
[04:02] <Kyral> oh...
[04:03] <robertj> BTW, VirtualPC is unusable without a gig of ram and a G5 for most things
[04:03] <teferi> robertj: mmm. AFS.
[04:03] <Kyral> but it works great :D
[04:03] <DAC1138> its not an emulator, but it works for windows apps, which is what he's looking for AFAIK
[04:03] <ricosuave17> what music player do u use
[04:03] <teferi> robertj: like i said, if only it wasn't such a SOB to set up on the server end
[04:03] <teferi> DAC1138: not on ppc it won't
[04:03] <robertj> teferi: AFS as no love from apple, but cifs is good enough for us
[04:03] <DAC1138> teferi, hm, guess he's out of luck then
[04:03] <DAC1138> hes going to have to fork over the money for virtual pc
[04:04] <teferi> AFS should get love from more people
[04:04] <teferi> It really should
[04:04] <ricosuave17> why doesnt my fstab load automatically my ntfs partitiosn
[04:04] <hondje> mac people like forking over money
[04:04] <DAC1138> hondje, they do. but not while in college
[04:04] <hondje> ricosuave17: do you have 'auto' in options?
[04:04] <DAC1138> ricosuave17, they jsut want quality machines like everyone else
[04:04] <Proteque_> is it normal for ext3 to take over 20 minutes to format on raid 5? 10 + 100 gig partitions
[04:04] <rommer> has anyone here ever setup fai as a cluster in ubuntu?
[04:05] <hondje> I shouldn't pick on mac people, I have a couple, but they're so fun to tease
[04:05] <DAC1138> rommer, whats fai?
[04:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the unrar or untar command?
[04:05] <ricosuave17> were?
[04:05] <rommer> DAC1138: fully automatic installation
[04:05] <hondje> unrar <file>, and tar xf <file>
[04:05] <robertj> teferi: It's cool but it's not got nearly the scope of your every day file server
[04:05] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[04:05] <teferi> robertj: not nearly the scope?
[04:05] <hondje> you might need to install unrar
[04:06] <robertj> not many people care about clusteredfs
[04:06] <ricosuave17> were do i put this auto on?
[04:06] <teferi> it's so dreamy on the client end. kerberized and almost no configuration
[04:06] <DAC1138> man, ubuntu/debian needs to get their apt-get system up to date
[04:06] <robertj> teferi: what is, afs?
[04:06] <hondje> ricosuave17: in the fstab file, under the options column with the rest of them
[04:06] <teferi> yeah
[04:06] <DAC1138> nvu is still only avalible in te beta format, while its at 1.0 on the official site
[04:07] <teferi> i seem to recall it being "m-a install openafs" and "mount -t afs /afs"
[04:07] <teferi> and then kinit
[04:07] <supernix>  Ok now what is the best way to install Gnome on a Kubuntu box and does that cause any problems ?
[04:07] <ricosuave17> i have another problem my sound died
[04:07] <hondje> DAC1138: hoary is stable, that means no upgrades, only bug fixes and security patches
[04:07] <DAC1138> supernix, just get ubuntu and install kde, lol
[04:07] <robertj> teferi: I just decided its more trouble than its worth and bought bigger disks ;)
[04:08] <teferi> heh
[04:08] <supernix> DAC1138: I already have Kubuntu installed
[04:08] <DAC1138> hondje, then what apt source do i use for general debian built programs?
[04:08] <teferi> one of these days someone will make a network filesystem that doesn't suck
[04:08] <rommer> supernix: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:08] <teferi> sigh
[04:08] <DAC1138> hondje, i was joking, lol. it'd be the same thing.
[04:08] <hondje> using .debs from debian isn't very smart
[04:08] <supernix> I thought about trying out Gnome to see which I like beter
[04:08] <DAC1138> limiting yourself isnt smart either
[04:08] <supernix> is that the beste way to do it rommer  ?
[04:08] <ricosuave17> it was working fine and one day i tried to change the mixer options and i put them back to the original and now there is no sound
[04:09] <rommer> yep
[04:09] <hondje> smarter is adding a deb-src from debian, apt-get build-dep foo, where you pin foo to debian, and then apt-get source -b foo, and removing the repo
[04:09] <mebaran151> what is a good distro to use to start learning about Mono.net
[04:09] <ricosuave17> man someone give me a music player plz
[04:09] <mebaran151> I would like to learn about it
[04:09] <mebaran151> ricosuave17, xmms
[04:09] <mebaran151> beep-media-player
[04:09] <_mike> is there a moodin theme engine available for unbuntu?
[04:09] <DAC1138> why should i limit myself to old outdated programs with bugs?
[04:09] <DAC1138> silence...
[04:09] <hondje> of course, if you don't have the deps, then you're still screwed...you can futz with the rules, but odds are that you won't know why version x.2 is better than x.1
[04:09] <aynjell> Hello.
[04:09] <aynjell> Does ubuntu use apt-get?
[04:09] <mebaran151> Gstreamer
[04:10] <robertj> aynjell: yes
[04:10] <mebaran151> aynjell, yes
[04:10] <aynjell> Okay.
[04:10] <_mike> aynjell yes
[04:10] <_mike> is there a moodin theme engine available for unbuntu?
[04:10] <mebaran151> what is a good distro to start learning about mono.net on
[04:10] <aynjell> How is it's application compatibility?
[04:10] <hondje> DAC1138: You're a lousy troll :p
[04:10] <mebaran151> aynjell, what you should expect from Debian Linux
[04:10] <DAC1138> hondje, dude, i was asking a valid question
[04:10] <mebaran151> most everything under the sun
[04:10] <aynjell> mebaran151, oooo-kay....
[04:10] <robertj> aynjell: bad by windows standards, great by non-profit linux standards
[04:10] <_mike> aynjell gnome - rock solid. kde i've just seen kaffeine get buggy never had a crash
[04:10] <DAC1138> hondje, so if someone asks something you dont know or dont like, you call them a troll?
[04:10] <hondje> and adding 'silence' like a teen drama queen
[04:11] <ricosuave17> please help me with my sound i need it a lot
[04:11] <hondje> No, I'm the biggest troll I know, I can sniff out my breed
[04:11] <_mike> i think ubuntu has great stability
[04:11] <DAC1138> hondje, well, on my side of the network, everything stopped
[04:11] <mebaran151> aynjell, well I guess it matters
[04:11] <DAC1138> hondje, i thought everyone had left their keyboard, what did you expect? TROLLL!!!
[04:11] <mebaran151> I mean you will have an application for every need you could possibly have
[04:11] <aynjell> mebaran151, what?
[04:11] <hondje> I know I'm a troll
[04:11] <hondje> ask ricosuave17
[04:11] <mebaran151> and it is all one click away
[04:11] <supernix> rommer: just curious what happens at reboot does it give you an option of which of the windows managers to use ?
[04:11] <DAC1138> hondje, lighten up
[04:11] <aynjell> mebaran151, that's not what I'm saying.
[04:11] <aynjell> I'm a linux user.
[04:11] <hondje> There's no reason you can't upgrade to the latest nvu
[04:11] <ricosuave17> can someone please help me
[04:11] <mebaran151> oh
[04:11] <hondje> but using debians .debs is a stupid way to do it
[04:12] <aynjell> how is the support for applications made by loki n shit>?
[04:12] <mebaran151> aynjell, then how do you mean?
[04:12] <ricosuave17> i told u what the problem is already
[04:12] <ricosuave17> and i get no help
[04:12] <DAC1138> ricosuave17, knowing the question would help with the problem?
[04:12] <aynjell> How is proprietary linux software?
[04:12] <mebaran151> aynjell, oh pretty good.
[04:12] <aynjell> Does it work well?
[04:12] <aynjell> Okay.
[04:12] <mebaran151> I think they all work
[04:12] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64 so I lose out on that
[04:12] <ricosuave17> the question is why wont my sound work.
[04:12] <aynjell> Right now, one option for me is using 32 bit gentoo
[04:12] <hondje> I'd hope so, if you pay money for it
[04:12] <mebaran151> but on my  Intel laptop works out fine
[04:12] <ricosuave17> it used to work perfect
[04:12] <tritium> ricosuave17, please elaborate
[04:12] <tritium> what changed?
[04:12] <ricosuave17> well i have no sound at all
[04:12] <mebaran151> aynjell, I feel your pain
[04:12] <ricosuave17> i dont know i just change the mixer option to alsa
[04:12] <ricosuave17> and then back to oss
[04:13] <mebaran151> ricosuave17, check your mixer
[04:13] <aynjell> mebaran151, well, I'm sure you do. :)
[04:13] <tritium> ricosuave17, we're looking for cause/effect things here
[04:13] <ricosuave17> and now it doesnt work
[04:13] <mebaran151> aynjell, I need to start doing .NET apps
[04:13] <aynjell> Right now the goal is to make myself more linux software freindly.
[04:13] <aynjell> .NET?
[04:13] <aynjell> Ha....
[04:13] <epiloc> does anyone know what package would include the printer manager?
[04:13] <mebaran151> and G-d help you to find a solution for AMD64
[04:13] <mebaran151> aynjell, was going to use Mono
[04:13] <ricosuave17> i changed the mixer from oss to alsa and then back to oss
[04:13] <ricosuave17> and it doesnt work
[04:13] <mebaran151> well Mono is pretty nice
[04:13] <ricosuave17> on any now'
[04:13] <mebaran151> ricosuave17, try this
[04:13] <tritium> ricosuave17, as mebaran151 mentioned, check the mixer settings
[04:13] <mebaran151> run alsamixer in terminal
[04:13] <mebaran151> and check the mixer
[04:14] <mebaran151> if that dont work
[04:14] <aynjell> :)
[04:14] <mebaran151> try running esd
[04:14] <mebaran151> it should start up pretty nicely
[04:14] <aynjell> eek! Esd!
[04:14] <mebaran151> aynjell, Arts fan?
[04:14] <aynjell> mebaran151, alsa fan.
[04:14] <aynjell> I have always used straight alsa.
[04:15] <ricosuave17> ok fixed
[04:15] <ricosuave17> thanks
[04:15] <epiloc> everytime i try to access the printer manager, it freezes... any ideas?
[04:15] <DAC1138> dang, i dont give a crap about my sound system, as long as it works
[04:15] <aynjell> Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum > *
[04:15] <funkyHat> i've had trouble getting alsa to work properly :(
[04:15] <epiloc> how do i kill the proccess?
[04:15] <DAC1138> you guys are some hardcore users if you're that picky as to which sound system you use
[04:15] <mebaran151> epiloc, killall (app name)
[04:15] <mebaran151> DAC1138, what's your point?
[04:15] <epiloc> how can i see a list of running apps?
[04:15] <funkyHat> which is really annoying as i have 2 soundcards
[04:15] <mebaran151> epiloc top
[04:15] <crimsun> ricosuave17, which sound chipset are you using?
[04:15] <DAC1138> mebaran151, do i need one?
[04:15] <aynjell> funkyHat, and?
[04:15] <ubuntunewb> why is it that when i push ' that i get an < symbol in terminal?
[04:15] <hondje> I have no clue what sound system I use :D
[04:16] <ricosuave17> it worked thanks
[04:16] <mebaran151> DAC1138, I dont know
[04:16] <hondje> It works, I'm not touching it
[04:16] <mebaran151> just wondering what's bugging you
[04:16] <DAC1138> mebaran151, then dont ask
[04:16] <aynjell> 1 gets used with skype.
[04:16] <aynjell> The other is the primary.
[04:16] <mebaran151> I dont think I phrased that correctly ...
[04:16] <DAC1138> mebaran151, if you dont even know, why ask?
[04:16] <ksmurf> hello all....... I have issues with icons in gnome.  I tried to install an icon theme but now my mp3 and ogg files look like folders.   If gentoo32 don't cut it, I'll be sure to scurry  over here again.
[04:17] <mebaran151> just asking why I asked what your point was
[04:17] <mebaran151> aynjell, heheh
[04:17] <aynjell> Later.
[04:17] <crimsun> mebaran151, DAC1138, stop it.
[04:17] <funkyHat> aynjell, same, but i can't get it configured, i'm sure it's just me being incompetent though :P
[04:17] <mebaran151> gentoo ... can ... kill
[04:17] <aynjell> funkyHat, well... what two cards are they?
[04:17] <aynjell> mebaran151, sure it can. So does speed. :-P
[04:17] <DAC1138> crimsun, sure thing, i was just wondering what he's on about. im done
[04:17] <ksmurf> gentoo will kill.... or cause you to
[04:17] <aynjell> ksmurf, for those that can't appreciate it's uses, yes.
[04:18] <ksmurf> I have issues with icons in gnome.  I tried to install an icon theme but now my mp3 and ogg files look like folders.  How can I fix this?
[04:18] <tritium> no distro wars please
[04:18] <mebaran151> aynjell, eh, I had just had a bad experience, but I think it was because I compiled it for AMD64
[04:18] <funkyHat> nForce 2 onboard 5.1, creative audigy LS
[04:18] <aynjell> tritium, not where I'm going with it. :)
[04:18] <mebaran151> and nothing really compiles to cleanly yet
[04:18] <aynjell> mebaran151, oh, that's what I'm leaving now.
[04:18] <mebaran151> ah
[04:18] <aynjell> 64 bit gentoo is ass.
[04:18] <DAC1138> ksmurf, copy&paste the same question twice only annoys, not helps. maybe there's something wrong with your icon theme
[04:18] <mebaran151> Gentoo 32 bit might be pretty nice
[04:18] <mebaran151> I dont know; I got fed up
[04:19] <DAC1138> ksmurf, try another theme, there's probably no icon associated with mp3 files for our current theme