[05:13] <regeya_> jpe snpi
[05:13] <Nalioth> |iceman|, is your repository list set up properly?
[05:13] <regeya_> how about liblame0
[05:13] <regeya_> fo uskdjhnb
[05:13] <regeya_> dang
[05:13] <regeya_> my fingers seem to have forgotten how to type
[05:14] <Nalioth> ryman, depends on what type of code you are writing
[05:14] <|iceman|> i think so... lame is showing when i search for it
[05:14] <Nalioth> most plain C code ends with .c
[05:14] <regeya_> |iceman|, is liblame0 also installed
[05:14] <ryman> Nalioth+  just a basic hello world one
[05:14] <|iceman|> nope... can't find liblame0
[05:14] <afroman> karsten: it says "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell Server
[05:15] <regeya_> well, wait.
[05:15] <Nalioth> ryman, 1st your write the code, 2nd you compile the code, 3d you execute the code
[05:15] <karsten> afroman: ssh localhost
[05:15] <metalsand> What does it mean when my eth0 connection properties are sending and recieiving, but I cannot access the internet
[05:15] <karsten> afroman: ...confirm the server is running:  ps aux | grep [s] shd
[05:15] <|iceman|> just installed liblame0.... that should do it I bet... thx
[05:15] <regeya_> lame and liblame0 are both multiverse, I think....so you don't have liblame0 installed, or you can't find it?
[05:15] <regeya_> oh
[05:15] <karsten> metalsand: It means your connection's misconfigured.
[05:15] <karsten> metalsand: Got default route?
[05:15] <doug> can anyone help me with installing programs?
[05:15] <karsten> metalsand: ...and/or can you resolve names?
[05:16] <metalsand> I don't even know what the means, Karsten
[05:16] <karsten> doug: synaptic
[05:16] <Nalioth> doug your question is?
[05:16] <karsten> metalsand: 'route'
[05:16] <doug> I installed some packages with synaptic, but now i want to open them and i don't know how
[05:16] <metalsand> Kernal IP routing table
[05:16] <metalsand> Destination, Gateway, Genmaks, Flags metric Ref, Us Iface
[05:16] <karsten> metalsand: Try:  '/sbin/route -n'.  You should see a line like:  <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[05:16] <doug> It was a book manager program
[05:16] <afroman> karsten: root     14415  0.0  0.3   3512  1524 ?        Ss   01:58   0:00 /usr/sb
[05:16] <metalsand> There's no values, karsten
[05:17] <Nalioth> doug if the proggys are not located in the menu, open up a terminal and type their names
[05:17] <karsten> metalsand: The '<IP_ADDRESS>' is important.  Just paste that line.  If you don't see it, you're missing a default root.
[05:17] <doug> Just the name?
[05:17] <Nalioth> doug hopefully just the name
[05:17] <karsten> metalsand: How is your network configured?  Static or DHCP?
[05:17] <metalsand> So I'm missing a default root, what does that mean
[05:17] <metalsand> DHCP
[05:17] <karsten> afroman: ??
[05:17] <karsten> metalsand: What's your DHCP server?
[05:17] <CitizenKane> does anyone know how to edit the panel menus in gnome?
[05:17] <doug> sounds much to simple!  but i'll give it a try
[05:17] <metalsand> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <afroman> karsten: that is wot I get
[05:17] <karsten> metalsand: What kind of device?
[05:17] <metalsand> Router
[05:18] <Nalioth> doug, dang near EVERY program on your linux box can be started at the terminal
[05:18] <metalsand> This is wireless, karsten
[05:18] <doug> of course, im currently downloading another package, so will be 10 minutes before i can try it
[05:18] <karsten> metalsand: Can you admin that via web or something?
[05:18] <Nalioth> doug why?
[05:18] <afroman> karstin: root     14415  0.0  0.3   3512  1524 ?        Ss   01:58   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[05:18] <ryman> Nalioth+  thanks I found a link on google
[05:18] <karsten> metalsand: Alternatively, quick check, try:
[05:18] <metalsand> Yes, karsten
[05:18] <doug> I'm sure it can, i'm just worried it will require some big long command that i don't know yet...
[05:18] <karsten> afroman: Thanks. You're running ssh.  'ssh localhost'
[05:18] <karsten> metalsand: 'route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>'
[05:19] <Nalioth> doug, open another terminal and let 'er rip
[05:19] <karsten> metalsand: ...and see if you can ping some remote IP.  Saywww.ubuntulinux.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:19] <doug> I need to check the menu for the right name, and i cant see the synaptec menu atm because it is downloading a package
[05:19] <Mr_Milenko> my desktop looks perty :}
[05:19] <metalsand> SIOCADDR: Network is unreachable
[05:19] <Nalioth> ryman, i am a self taught programmer (what a freakin scary thought, eh?)
[05:19] <karsten> [ADULT_SWIM] : Does this mean the kids have to get out?
[05:19] <metalsand> karsten: SIOCADDR: Network is unreachable
[05:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lol
[05:19] <karsten> metalsand: '/sbin/ifconfig eth0'.  Paste to #flood.
[05:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > maybe ^_^
[05:20] <metasquier> hey, can someone tell me where I can get instructions on how to install gnome themes?
[05:20] <afroman> karsten: but why did it time out when I ran ssh -v Localhost
[05:20] <karsten> afroman: Try it again.
[05:20] <metalsand> Karsten: I cannot connect to the internet
[05:20] <metalsand> I'm relaying from my PC
[05:20] <narg> are the ubuntu us apt servers down?
[05:20] <afroman> karsten: as root???
[05:20] <karsten> afroman: Doesn't matter.
[05:21] <karsten> metalsand: What box are you on now?
[05:21] <Nalioth> metasquier, google?  art.gnome.org?  gnome-look.org?
[05:21] <afroman> karsten: OpenSSH_3.9p1 Debian-1ubuntu2, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004
[05:21] <afroman> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:21] <afroman> debug1: Applying options for *
[05:21] <afroman> debug1: Connecting to Linux [<IP_ADDRESS>]  port 22.
[05:21] <Mr_Milenko> http://hwbbusiness.com/milenko/gnomewithmac.png <-- pretty eh? lol
[05:21] <karsten> afroman: Paste to #flood please.
[05:22] <metalsand> karsten: I'm on my Windows PC
[05:22] <karsten> metalsand: OK.
[05:22] <metalsand> karsten: The ubuntu is on my laptop (right next to me)
[05:22] <metasquier> Nalioth, Ive tried searching google- no help, gnome-look.org has no instructions, but I think I will try art.gnome.org
[05:22] <ryman> Nalioth+  I got a C programming book for free
[05:22] <afroman> karsten: what is #flood??
[05:22] <metalsand> karsten: I'm also trying to configure my PCMCIA wireless connection
[05:22] <ryman> I just don't know how to work it with Ubuntu
[05:23] <metalsand> karsten: So really I don't even care about this connection. So if you want to just work on getting that to work we can forgot about this for now
[05:23] <Nalioth> ryman, Great! you are doing better than I (i had to steal mine)
[05:23] <stuNNed> ryman: learn vim
[05:23] <narg> can someone tell me a package mirror other than the us one?
[05:23] <ryman> Nalioth+  I got a for free from a yard sale
[05:23] <ryman> lol
[05:23] <Nalioth> narg, patience they will return shortly
[05:23] <narg> so it IS down?
[05:24] <Nalioth> narg, if they are, they will shortly be back up
[05:24] <Nalioth> patience
[05:24] <karsten> metalsand: OK.  ENsure your ethernet device is up.
[05:24] <karsten> metalsand: 'ifconfig eth0' should output something like ... Um. see #flood.
[05:24] <afroman> karsten: what do U think?? it timed out again
[05:25] <karsten> afroman: I think your computer is stoned.
[05:26] <afroman> kasten: lol I think so 2
[05:26] <karsten> metalsand: 'ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down'
[05:26] <afroman> karsten: what do I do???
[05:26] <karsten> metalsand: ...should ensure eth0 is down.
[05:26] <karsten> afroman: Panic.
[05:26] <stuNNed> lol
[05:26] <afroman> :D
[05:27] <a_monkey> what's the difference between unrar and unrar-nonfree? i don't get what "non-free" its
[05:27] <karsten> Someone w/ more patience than me please walk afroman through sshd config & troubleshot.
[05:27] <a_monkey> is*
[05:27] <karsten> a_monkey: licensing and functionality.
[05:27] <Nalioth> afroman, burn a cd
[05:27] <metalsand> "eth: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device@
[05:27] <karsten> a_monkey: nonfree == encumbered stuff with non-DFSG licenses.  But many RAR archives won't work w/o them.
[05:27] <karsten> metalsand: What sort of NIC do you have?
[05:27] <Nalioth> a_monkey "non-free" is software that has a license so you can't do anything with it
[05:27] <karsten> metalsand: 'lspci | grep -i eth'
[05:27] <metalsand> mini-PCI
[05:28] <karsten> metalsand: Noninformative.
[05:28] <afroman> Nalioth: wot CD???
[05:28] <Nalioth> afroman, for your file xfer
[05:28] <metalsand> 000:02:05.0 Ethernet Controller: Broadcom Corp BMC4401-BO
[05:28] <karsten> Nalioth: Heh.
[05:28] <karsten> Nalioth: He's got SMB working, I think.  Maybe not.
[05:28] <metalsand> ALthough, that's my ethernet controller... I'm connecting to the internet wirelessly
[05:28] <mpt> DNS problem: Trying to visit www.quirksmode.org, www.groklaw.net, docs.python.org, and various other sites takes me to buydomains.com. Why?
[05:28] <karsten> metalsand: 'lspci | grep -i eth0'
[05:28] <metalsand> That's unconfigured, I don't even think I have drivers for it yet
[05:29] <metalsand> karsten: nothing
[05:29] <karsten> metalsand: That reads the PCI bus directly, doesn't need drivers.
[05:29] <karsten> metalsand: PCMCIA?
[05:29] <metalsand> NO
[05:29] <metalsand> No*
[05:29] <metalsand> Mini-PCI
[05:29] <afroman> Nalioth: that is an easy way...
[05:29] <metalsand> On my network settings GUI
[05:29] <metalsand> it shows a PCMCIA card
[05:29] <Nalioth> karsten, afroman i know nothing about windoze (that i'll admit) i only suggested sshd as the easiest (setup-wise) for ship to ship xfer
[05:29] <paulproteus> mpt: You seem to have evil DNS servers.
[05:29] <metalsand> Perhaps Linux detects it as such?
[05:30] <paulproteus> I suggest setting yours to <IP_ADDRESS>, the one I use.  It's hosted by the University of Rochester.
[05:30] <saul> Heelo
[05:30] <karsten> Nalioth: afroman can't seem to get his ssh daemon working and/or diagnose it, and he's a 111% n00b.  I can't handle further...
[05:30] <afroman> Nalioth: I just want to set up my ssh
[05:30] <Nalioth> karsten, afroman i've installed a win32 ssh client on some windoze machines i manage, and done all sorts of stuff to unix machines on the same network
[05:30] <mpt> paulproteus: I'm connecting my laptop running Ubuntu at a cybercafe. The Windows computers at the same cybercafe, using the same DNS server, don't have the same problem.
[05:30] <paulproteus> Hmm.
[05:30] <karsten> Nalioth: PuTTY?
[05:30] <saul> I can updae de warty version to Hoary version using the atp-get?
[05:30] <afroman> karsten: I think I can handle if U tell me what to do
[05:31] <paulproteus> Maybe part of the problem is IPv6?
[05:31] <karsten> afroman: Nalioth please.
[05:31] <Nalioth> karsten, nay, i found some simple CLI win32 ssh client
[05:31] <karsten> metalsand: OK, what's mini-PCI, I appear to be hardware-challenged here.
[05:31] <afroman> the ssh I'm talking about is on Ubuntu
[05:31] <karsten> Nalioth: OK.
[05:31] <mpt> paulproteus: That sounds like the Internet equivalent of "It's a bug in GTK+!" :-)
[05:31] <Nalioth> karsten, dropped it into the /system32 and away i went (almost like *nix)
[05:31] <afroman> Karsten, Nalioth the ssh I'm talking about is on Ubuntu
[05:31] <mpt> paulproteus: What do you mean specifically?
[05:31] <karsten> paulproteus: I think it's in the high-numbered bits.
[05:31] <afroman> Karsten, Nalioth the ssh I'm talking about is on Ubuntu, that's there that I'm having the prob
[05:32] <paulproteus> karsten: Hmm?
[05:32] <karsten> afroman: Please direct to Nalioth only.
[05:32] <karsten> paulproteus: Possibly the low numbered bits.
[05:32] <paulproteus> mpt: Ubuntu talks to DNS servers using both IPv6 and IPv4.
[05:32] <richard_> hoary hedgehog AMD64 ver, no cdrdao?
[05:32] <karsten> paulproteus: It's got to be one or the other.
[05:32] <saul> I can updae de warty version to Hoary version using the atp-get?
[05:32] <paulproteus> IPv4 is the current standard; IPv6 is the next generation.
[05:32] <mpt> sure
[05:32] <richard_> IPv6 is already in use
[05:32] <Nalioth> afroman, i've never had a problem with sshd(s) i use apt-get to install, and they run
[05:32] <karsten> paulproteus: ...and always will be.
[05:32] <paulproteus> karsten: That's a flamewar for another day. ;)
[05:32] <Nalioth> saul yes
[05:33] <afroman> karsten, nalioth: it is getting worse... now when I start SSH it says that no hostkeys avaible
[05:33] <paulproteus> mpt: So, try disabling IPv6 support in Ubuntu.
[05:33] <karsten> afroman: I'm /ignoring you.
[05:33] <Nalioth> afroman, that is good
[05:33] <paulproteus> There's docs for this on the wiki.
[05:33] <mpt> paulproteus: Okies
[05:33] <Nalioth> afroman, that means it's trying to work
[05:33] <karsten> Nalioth: enjoy.
[05:33] <metalsand> karsten: Mini-PCI is the PCI connections laptops use
[05:33] <saul> Nalioth How I can make it?
[05:34] <karsten> metalsand: My understaning is that the card should appear in 'lspci' output.
[05:34] <Nalioth> saul, you need to update your repositorys to hoary ones, and do a simple apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:34] <ThomasWinwood> Nalioth: And apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:34] <afroman> Nalioth: now I can't even run it
[05:34] <Nalioth> afroman, google "ssh homepage" and look at the FAQs
[05:34] <metalsand> karsten: it is
[05:35] <Nalioth> afroman, you have it, just need to tell it what to do
[05:35] <metalsand> Network Controller: intel Corp.: Unkown Device 4223 (rev 05)
[05:35] <karsten> metalsand: And the card spec is?
[05:35] <karsten> metalsand: Ahh.  That's progress.
[05:35] <karsten> Hrm.
[05:35] <metalsand> I've used it to connect to the internet before
[05:36] <afroman> Nalioth: assuming that it works... how do I transfer files??
[05:36] <anto9us> anyone know what font the ubuntu logo uses?
[05:36] <saul> Nalioth, and if I do a apt-get dist-upgrade before update the repository, the atualization will have problems?
[05:36] <karsten> metalsand: Anything else likely in there?
[05:36] <metalsand> What do you mean?
[05:36] <pjo> Is this the only channel related to ubuntu ?
[05:36] <Nalioth> afroman, use any ssh-capable file transfer proggy (putty-ftp or filezilla (using secure mode))
[05:37] <] BreliC[> pjo, no there are many others.. type /cs list *ubuntu*
[05:37] <karsten> metalsand: There should be something in output that looks like an ethernet controller.
[05:37] <Nalioth> saul, 1st update your sources.list to show the hoary repos. comment out the warty repos
[05:37] <metalsand> karsten: are you aware I'm connecting wirelessly?
[05:37] <pjo>  /cs list *ubuntu*
[05:38] <Nalioth> saul 2nd use apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and then if you feel like, apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:38] <karsten> metalsand: It's still a PCI device.
[05:38] <karsten> metalsand: My understanding is that your wireless NIC is *NOT* working.  Correct?
[05:38] <metalsand> Yes
[05:38] <afroman> nalioth: wot is the command between SSHs?? something like SCP right??
[05:38] <metalsand> It isn't functioning, but has before.
[05:38] <saul> Nalioth,thanks
[05:39] <metalsand> Man, Linux is really a PITA to use
[05:39] <saul> Nalioth, I'm installing the KDE now.... the next step is update the version...
[05:39] <karsten> metalsand: as root:  'cardctl status'
[05:39] <metalsand> EVERY single thing I've done besides configuring my screensaver has taken more than 5 hours
[05:39] <saul> Nalioth, of my Ubuntu
[05:40] <karsten> metalsand: ...it can take a while to get sorted.  Once that's done, unlike some systems, it strongly tends to _stay_ sorted.
[05:40] <karsten> metalsand: Nothing I've done besides configuring my screensaver has taken more than 5 hours.
[05:40] <metalsand> Socket 0: no card
[05:40] <metalsand> Socket 1: no card
[05:40] <] BreliC[> afroman, the best way to find all this out is to read the man pages or to google some sites.. so 'man scp' for example
[05:40] <tanek> anyone whos running dc++ under wine?
[05:40] <karsten> metalsand: Is this hypothetical wireless NIC of yours actually in a socket somewhere?
[05:40] <tanek> i've got an error
[05:40] <karsten> metalsand: 'dmesg | grep -i eth'
[05:40] <super_dude2> i cant get my usb stick to work
[05:40] <metalsand> Everything I've done needs outside "hacks" to work, or takes more than 5 hours. Sure it's my first week using Linux but man, how discouraging
[05:41] <SNIa> can you use amd64 and i386 at the same time. (i'm sure this is trivial for most of you)
[05:41] <afroman> thx
[05:41] <karsten> metalsand: Troubleshooting is *massively* easier if you can work out a way to transfer data (without typing) from one system to another.
[05:41] <afroman> aight.. guyz
[05:41] <afroman> I'm gonna hit the sac
[05:41] <karsten> SNIa: Yes, several methods, currently an IA32 chroot appears recommended.
[05:41] <afroman> ciao
[05:41] <metalsand> unfortunately my internet doesn't work :P
[05:42] <afroman> U have been a great healp
[05:42] <super_dude2> how do i got my usb stick to mount?
[05:42] <tanek> SNIa: that would be wierd wouldnt it? a 32bit working alongside a 64 bit? :D
[05:42] <karsten> metalsand: ...and you haven't spent $20 to get a USB pen drive.
[05:42] <SNIa> heh
[05:42] <karsten> metalsand: ...I'd strongly recommend that.
[05:42] <SNIa> tanek, no weirder than running windows ;0
[05:42] <darkaudit> bleh... gxmame missing the categories listing... kinda sucks when the collection is (near) complete
[05:42] <metalsand> karsten: when my connection was working it didn't have the little red square next to it in the gnome panel
[05:42] <metalsand> Now it does
[05:42] <metalsand> Anything helpful?
[05:42] <Nalioth> afroman there are two commands  "scp" and "sftp"
[05:42] <tanek> SNIa: sure, however, running windows is very wierd indeed :P
[05:42] <metalsand> What doest the red square signify
[05:43] <stuNNed> how to install perl modules in ubuntu?
[05:43] <SNIa> is there any wiki info or a help pages on running ubuntu in chroot?
[05:43] <Nalioth> afroman_, they both have man pages
[05:43] <paulproteus> stuNNed: Most Perl modules have Ubuntu packages.
[05:43] <karsten> metalsand: Not particularly.  I don't run GNOME.  I markedly prefer text tools as they'll be consistent and googlable.
[05:43] <tanek> speaking about windows... is there anyone here who has a working vmware workstation 5?
[05:43] <paulproteus> stuNNed: they're in the format e.g. libhtml-parser-perl for HTML::Parser
[05:43] <stuNNed> k
[05:43] <stuNNed> thnx paulproteus
[05:43] <karsten> metalsand: Try googling "little red dot" for information.  It's kind of a non-starter.
[05:43] <ds_> is it possible to install from the live CD?
[05:43] <hutch> ne body kno how to execute/install a file with a name like linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[05:43] <afroman_> Nalioth: yes, but it seems complicated
[05:43] <tanek> ds_: no
[05:43] <bob2> ds_: not easily
[05:43] <darkaudit> ds_: you need the install cd
[05:43] <paulproteus> stuNNed: If you find you must download a package from CPAN that's not packaged, you should use dh_make_perl to make a package for it so that way the package system can track it and uninstall it easily.
[05:44] <karsten> hutch: 'file <filename>' says what?
[05:44] <afroman_> Nalioth: can U guide me??
[05:44] <ds_> thanks
[05:44] <mindspore> how can i get this audio cd to eject?
[05:44] <hutch> karsten: ??
[05:44] <SNIa> cool!
[05:44] <pjo> Where is this on KDE 3 System->Preferences->Sessions Startup Programs Add  ?
[05:44] <anto9us> woohoo, I've replaced the gnome foot with the ubuntu logo
[05:44] <stuNNed> paulproteus: awesome thanks :D
[05:44] <SNIa> k3b read the md5 within the iso and verified it
[05:44] <karsten> hutch: 'man file'
[05:44] <metalsand> karsten: The output of the dmesg command has a lot of stuff
[05:44] <Nalioth> afroman_, here we go: open terminal type "man <command you want to know about>" <hit enter>
[05:44] <karsten> metalsand: Indeed it does.  'man grep'
[05:44] <metalsand> Should I just post stuff regarding eth0?
[05:45] <karsten> metalsand: ... page through it with 'less'.  Find what's relevant (or you think might be).  Share it.
[05:45] <hutch> karsten: the file name is linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[05:45] <metalsand> no IPv6 routers present
[05:45] <afroman_> Nalioth: I did that...
[05:45] <karsten> hutch: 'man file'
[05:45] <mindspore> how can i get this audio cd to eject?
[05:45] <hutch> karsten: man then linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[05:45] <hutch> ?
[05:45] <afroman_> nalioth: I don't c how to send the file
[05:45] <hutch> sorry...i'm still a noob
[05:45] <karsten> metalsand: ...if you would care to help me help you by getting a way of transferring files, I could read the whole damned thing rather than your annotated commentary.
[05:45] <karsten> hutch: No.  Literally.  Type "man file" in a terminal.
[05:45] <Nalioth> afroman_, do you know how to use command line ftp in windoze?
[05:46] <xMaximex> how can i edit gnome menu without menu-editor ?
[05:46] <karsten> bob2: Where do you find them?
[05:46] <afroman_> no
[05:46] <hutch> karsten: sorry...noob kinks
[05:46] <hutch> lol
[05:46] <Nalioth> xMaximex, google the ubuntu website for "gnome menu editor"
[05:46] <bob2> karsten: the users?
[05:46] <metalsand> karsten: Looks like we're done then for tonight :(
[05:46] <Nalioth> xMaximex, there are several choices
[05:46] <karsten> bob2: Oi.
[05:46] <karsten> metalsand: OK.
[05:46] <metalsand> Well, I'll just restart and it will work.
[05:47] <karsten> metalsand: Buy a USB key.
[05:47] <afroman_> nalioth: let's start with the basics... how do U do it between Linux boxes
[05:47] <] BreliC[> karsten, get off your high horse
[05:47] <karsten> metalsand: ...or a removable USB storage device of sorts.
[05:47] <metalsand> Then I'll bug you to help me to get my PCMCIA wireless card to work so I can copy/paste things
[05:47] <karsten> ] BreliC[: Bring me a ladder.
[05:47] <hutch> karsten:  cant u just tell me how to install it
[05:47] <karsten> hutch: 'file <name of file>'
[05:47] <Nalioth> afroman_, the same way you do between any boxen  "man ftp" as the command are the same for sftp as ftp (only sftp is secure)
[05:47] <karsten> hutch: It's probably a bash script.
[05:48] <afroman_> nalioth: I mean scp
[05:48] <] BreliC[> karsten, not a problem
[05:48] <Nalioth> afroman_, the answers lie in your man pages
[05:48] <karsten> ] BreliC[: ...and a shrubbery.
[05:48] <hutch> karsten:  linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh: ERROR: cannot open `linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh' (No such file or directory)
[05:48] <afroman_> nalioth: scp user@host file user@host file???
[05:49] <hutch> karsten:  thats after file linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/lightsaber-7.jpg
[05:49] <] BreliC[> karsten, maybe something to remove the horseshoe too?
[05:49] <SNIa> anyone here have used SATA and been able to hotswap?
[05:49] <karsten> hutch: Right.  Hrm.
[05:49] <karsten> ] BreliC[: From wher?
[05:49] <karsten> ] BreliC[: .../er/ere/
[05:49] <Nalioth> afroman_, i don't use scp, i use sftp
[05:49] <] BreliC[> karsten, you're a smart guy, i'm sure you can figure it out, or maybe the newbies will be glad to help you
[05:49] <afroman_> Nalioth
[05:49] <karsten> hutch: Where'd you happen to put this file?
[05:50] <karsten> ] BreliC[: Thank you kindly.
[05:50] <afroman_> Nalioth: ok... thx
[05:50] <Nalioth> bluefoxicy, aint that lightsaber stuff the funniest sh*t?
[05:50] <afroman_> Nalioth: ok... thx, I'm out
[05:50] <mindspore> How can I force a CD to eject?  I have an audio CD in, and it won't eject with gnome-cd or the eject button
[05:50] <afroman_> Nalioth: ok... thx, I'm out... thx a lot for ur help
[05:50] <afroman_> ciao
[05:50] <Nalioth> afroman, use your man pages, then use the default galeon page (look for 'browse system docs" then ask uncle google
[05:50] <hutch> karsten:  /home/username/
[05:51] <hutch> karsten: so for me it'd be /home/josh
[05:51] <hutch> */home/josh/
[05:51] <karsten> hutch: Right.  Is that where your terminal shell's at?  'cd' should put you there.
[05:51] <karsten> hutch: So: open shell.  'cd; file <filename>'
[05:51] <chavo> mindspore, try it as root, I had that problem the other day and sudo eject did the trick.
[05:52] <c-sic> hey, dont you just love when you close your buddy list in gaim before gnome-panel loads, and gets a chance to store gaim in the tray?
[05:52] <mindspore> chavo: lol, it said unable to eject.. but the tray opened
[05:52] <Hollis> Hello everyone
[05:52] <chavo> yeah, same here.
[05:52] <c-sic> hiya
[05:52] <Hollis> Has anyone received hoary CDs from the mail?
[05:53] <jsgAway> I got some but i got it from the UDU conference *grin*
[05:53] <pce-matty> hollis: not yet, but I'm based in Australia :)
[05:53] <Hollis> I orded mine in February and still don't have it
[05:53] <spacepopeye> How can I remove the minimize window animation in gnome?
[05:53] <hutch> karsten: same answer man
[05:53] <metalsand> What's the terminal command to scna for networks using Wireless Tools?
[05:53] <hutch> karsten: same error msg
[05:53] <jsgAway> iwlist scanning
[05:54] <Hollis> Because I have a band, and when we do shows I plan on handing out a 2 pack CD set
[05:54] <hutch> LINUX RULES!!! DOWN WITH M$!!!
[05:54] <hutch> LOL
[05:54] <c-sic> hollis...pretty slow...
[05:54] <Hollis> One CD will be our music, and hte other will be Ubuntu
[05:54] <Hollis> Lmao
[05:54] <jsgAway> Hollis: that's awesome man
[05:54] <c-sic> pretty neat
[05:54] <Hollis> Of course I will include infomration on installation, what Linux is, ect.
[05:54] <] BreliC[> Hollis, hmmm good idea.  i think i'll do that too next time we play
[05:55] <hutch> karsten: screw it...its not worth it
[05:55] <hutch> lol
[05:55] <c-sic> c-sic is my new nick...I read it on some mail, the code csic, and it sounds like seasick, so I made that my new nick...
[05:55] <karsten> hutch: Try:  bash -f <file>
[05:55] <karsten> hutch: ...on a wild-ass-guess.  Mind:  I prefer looking at scripts before running them randomly.
[05:56] <c-sic> Hollis: is there a way to follow up on your order at the web site?
[05:56] <karsten> hutch: SUspect if you read thet install docs for whatever it is you're trying to install it might have some pointers.
[05:56] <jsgAway> Hollis: if you pull that thing together, make sure you inform mako about it so he can put it on the website or on the list
[05:56] <Nalioth> hutch, its always nice to read the script b4 using it
[05:56] <hutch> karsten: bash: linuxq3demo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh: No such file or directory
[05:56] <pce-matty> i'm going to knock up to ubuntu boxes today, both with webcams and microphones and I'm gonna set one up in our main store and the other up in the workshop (ie: they're gonna be video intercoms) - any recommendations for what software I should use to achieve this, and recommendations for webcams that'll work out of the box with Hoary (i've got a couple of logitech messengers here)
[05:56] <Hollis> What list?
[05:56] <hutch> karsten: it didnt come with any docs or ne thing, just the .gz.sh file i downloaded from fileplanet.com
[05:56] <jsgAway> Hollis: ubuntu traffic/sounder
[05:56] <Hollis> Oh, okay
[05:57] <c-sic> when in february, mid, late or early?
[05:57] <karsten> hutch: This is the point in the day I tell you to RTFM.  Sorry.
[05:57] <Hollis> Mid
[05:57] <metalsand> Is there a command to disable/enable the radio of wireless devices?
[05:58] <c-sic> could be some time still, but they are pretty ripe to get here...
[05:58] <c-sic> therem anyow...
[05:58] <c-sic> How Long Will It Take? Short Answer: 4-6 Weeks
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> metalsand, laptop?
[05:58] <c-sic> thats what the FAQ says
[05:58] <Hollis> Yea, when did they start shipping
[05:58] <metalsand> Yes, nomasteryoda
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> what about the keyboard Fn + wireless on/off
[05:58] <c-sic> from when you put in the order
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> most have those
[05:58] <Hollis> Around April 8th when they released it on the website
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> if built in
[05:58] <metalsand> nomasteryoda: I'm worried about that
[05:59] <Hollis> Oh okay
[05:59] <metalsand> But I'm not sure Linux detects that
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> mine does
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu and suse
[05:59] <Predius> sudo ifconfig <device> down
[05:59] <metalsand> Great
[05:59] <metalsand> It went down
[05:59] <metalsand> but now it won't go up
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> metalsand, what about using the tray tool
[05:59] <Predius> sudo ifconfig <device> up
[06:00] <c-sic> Hollis: have you tried logging into shipit?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> for network settings
[06:00] <metalsand> still shows disconnected
[06:00] <c-sic> Hollis: this page has the info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/ .
[06:00] <c-sic> read through that, that is your vbest source of info.
[06:00] <Nalioth> ?? restricted
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> metalsand, what about "ifup wlan0"
[06:00] <c-sic> no more bot, I think
[06:00] <metalsand> eth0 is my device name
[06:00] <Hollis> Thanks
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:01] <Nalioth> thought bots didnt need rest
[06:01] <c-sic> gotta ask that lexxan guy when I see him,
[06:01] <c-sic> welcome3.
[06:01] <Hollis> How exactly do they ship this all for free
[06:01] <Hollis> Without losing tons of money
[06:01] <c-sic> hehe
[06:01] <metalsand> ifup: interface eh0 already configured
[06:01] <metalsand> Linux sucks. :(
[06:01] <metalsand> Shows disconnected in the network status panel icon
[06:01] <c-sic> for one, the CEO of Canonical(the company behind Ubuntu) is a millionaire.
[06:01] <jordanau> i miss the bot :C
[06:01] <Nalioth> Hollis, he's richer than god
[06:01] <c-sic> haha
[06:02] <jordanau> c-sic, what did he do before ubuntu?
[06:02] <c-sic> richer than god, gotta like the controversy.
[06:02] <c-sic> read it up...
[06:02] <Hollis> Lol, I see
[06:02] <c-sic> mark shuittleworth
[06:02] <c-sic> shuttleworth, is it?
[06:02] <karsten> metalsand: ifup / ifdown are not reliable.
[06:02] <karsten> metalsand: 'ifconfig' will tell you if the device is actually configured.  'ifup/ifdown' may think so when it's not true.
[06:03] <Hollis> Do the CDs have any artwork on the cover?
[06:03] <Hollis> Or are they just blank
[06:03] <karsten> Hollis: Yes.
[06:03] <metalsand> Cool. So I input a command and it just doesn't care.
[06:03] <c-sic> some...
[06:03] <Hollis> Ah, nice
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> karsten, but if the device was working... and he took down, why won't it come back up
[06:03] <c-sic> look pretty good.
[06:03] <mariam> can someone please help me figure out why I can't print to my windows computer?
[06:03] <karsten> nomasteryoda: Good question.  I gave up trying to find out a while ago.
[06:03] <c-sic> they are in a paper cover, cardboard...(ESL here, not sure what its called)...
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> karsten, lol yea... me too
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> i just tweak until it works
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:04] <c-sic> mariam: have you done any setup?
[06:04] <elchicano> ouch..windows printing problem???
[06:04] <Nalioth> mariam, its a windows computer?
[06:04] <elchicano> wou'dnt want to trouble shoot that no matter what
[06:04] <mariam> the computer is connected to winXP
[06:04] <Hollis> Awesome, so I was going to provide the jewel cases my self for when I give them out at our concertsx
[06:04] <mariam> i have Samba up and running
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> mariam, if you have sp2, then firewall maybe
[06:04] <Hollis> Guess I don't need too
[06:04] <mariam> no SP2
[06:05] <Nalioth> isnt there a windoze channel?
[06:05] <c-sic> yeah, they are in a nice little case..
[06:05] <mariam> when i do smbclient -L gagik -N
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> about how long before I get my ubuntu disks? ordered about 1 mo. ago
[06:05] <mariam> i can see the shared printer
[06:05] <dr_willis> actually ya need to looks at the CUPS configuration dont ya. and add a new smb shareed printer dont ya.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> permissions then
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> on winbox
[06:05] <metalsand> If it wasn't for the Open source software support I would have given up Linux the first day I installed :D
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> metalsand, lol
[06:05] <c-sic> you are meek....
[06:05] <c-sic> :-P
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> tha's tha spirit
[06:05] <mariam> monaster, here's when i get stuck
[06:06] <mariam> /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p HPpsc900 -v smb://gagik:pass@gagik/hppsc900 -P /home/mariam/HP-PSC_950-hpijs.ppd
[06:06] <mariam> it says lpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused
[06:07] <c-sic> Isnt it easier to connect the printer to the Linux, and then access it through the windows?
[06:07] <dr_willis> hmm - dosent " smb://gagik:pass@gagik/hppsc900" need to be quoted?
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> mariam, try adding the hostname of your ubuntu box to the lmhosts file
[06:07] <mariam> c-sic, i wish i could, but that's not an option
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> always helped for me
[06:07] <c-sic> ok...
[06:07] <mariam> nomaster, where do I add the hostname?
[06:08] <mariam> the linux and windows pcs are both set to MSHOME
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> under network props i think
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:08] <mariam> dr_willis, let me try quoting it
[06:08] <mariam> nope, same result
[06:08] <hutch> karsten: RTFM
[06:08] <dr_willis> mariam,  youve tried the cups gui interface? i think it can scan the network for printers.
[06:09] <c-sic> haha, hutch, is that a revenge?
[06:09] <mariam> dr_willis, you mean the 'add pritner" interface
[06:09] <hutch> huh?
[06:09] <dr_willis> getting cups to use printers shared by xp box's has always been rather trivially easy.
[06:09] <hutch> c-sic: what does it mean
[06:09] <mariam> from the System>Administration menu
[06:09] <hutch> c-sic: RTFM
[06:09] <dr_willis> cups has its own web interface.. and  ubuntu has the gnome one.. or if you install kde. theres one there also.
[06:09] <karsten> hutch: ??
[06:09] <jordanau> hutch, Read the f*cking manual
[06:09] <hutch> c-sic: what does RTFM mean?
[06:09] <c-sic> karsten: hutch: This is the point in the day I tell you to RTFM.   :P  /etc/init.d/cupsd restart perhaps.
[06:11] <c-sic> sudo apt-get install amule
[06:12] <hutch> anyone know what this means: "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:12] <hutch> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:12] <hutch> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:12] <hutch> "
[06:12] <sidjp> i try but is fail
[06:12] <mariam> thanks dr_w
[06:12] <karsten> hutch: My point being:  you're installing something you've pulled off an arbitrary website, it should come with installation instructions.    Is there another instance of aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, or synaptic running?
[06:12] <c-sic> mariam, you are running a server on the computer you are using as a client, I dont know if that will work.
[06:12] <metalsand> Seriously
[06:13] <hutch> all: brb
[06:13] <metalsand> Linux has a TERRIBLE GUI for network status
[06:13] <mariam> c-sic, what am i supposed to do?
[06:13] <metalsand> Or at least Ubuntu does.
[06:13] <mariam> what's ther ight way to do it?
[06:13] <c-sic> Not sure again, but, it seems taht you are running a server on the client comptuer
[06:13] <c-sic> welcome back...
[06:14] <mariam> just following some of the HOWTO's i found
[06:14] <mariam> but none seem to work
[06:14] <mariam> stupid windows
[06:14] <c-sic> seems like you need to run the server on the computer that has the printer...so it can serve other computers that dont..
[06:14] <c-sic> have not done any printer server installation myself yet, though.
[06:14] <karsten> metalsand: Suggested improvements?
[06:15] <c-sic> shiny:P
[06:15] <Karill> Are you installing the printer server on ubuntu
[06:15] <Karill> ?
[06:15] <anethema> i actually got network printing working today..was so damn happy
[06:15] <anethema> just using smb
[06:15] <Karill> If so just install cups it has a nice new linux user web gui
[06:15] <c-sic> Karill: mariam has a windows computer with a printer, want to allow the linux computer on the network to access the pritner
[06:15] <anethema> i cant fucking believe how easy ubuntu is...i was on slack before..ive never been so impressed in my life haha
[06:15] <sidjp> please some one help me! i need to install amule!
[06:16] <Karill> Hmm
[06:16] <Nalioth> anethema, you are hurting my tender ears
[06:16] <Karill> Share it out and mount it as dev/lpd
[06:16] <mariam> ok, figrued it out
[06:16] <c-sic> sidjp: did you try http://ubuntuguide.org/#amule ?
[06:16] <c-sic> works?
[06:16] <mariam> yeah
[06:16] <anethema> sorry Nalioth  heh
[06:16] <c-sic> awesome!
[06:16] <c-sic> good work...
[06:16] <anethema> sidjp, apt-get install amule
[06:16] <mariam> had to run these commands:
[06:16] <anethema> apt-get install amule-utils
[06:16] <mariam> /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p HPpsc900 -v "smb://user:pass@gagik/hppsc900" -P /home/mariam/HP-PSC_950-hpijs.ppd
[06:16] <mariam> /usr/bin/enable HPpsc900
[06:16] <mariam> /usr/sbin/accept HPpsc900
[06:16] <mariam> /usr/sbin/lpadmin -d HPpsc900
[06:16] <mariam> then restart cups
[06:17] <mariam> for some odd reason
[06:17] <c-sic> pretty nice....
[06:17] <hutch> karsten: i made it so NO instances of synaptic are running more than once, i'm not in root
[06:17] <mariam> thanks c-sic :)
[06:17] <anethema> sidjp: did you get that ?
[06:17] <c-sic> thats my new nick:)
[06:17] <mariam> thanks to dr_willis
[06:17] <sidjp> thanks wait
[06:17] <anethema> k
[06:18] <hutch> karsten: when i go to synaptic package manager -->edit->reload package info
[06:18] <anethema> sorry you also need sudo
[06:18] <anethema> sudo apt-get install amule
[06:18] <anethema> and amule-utils
[06:18] <karsten> hutch: ps aux | egrep '(synaptic|apt|dpkg)'
[06:18] <anethema> has anyone here got skype running well ?
[06:18] <a_monkey> i've installed unrar, but Archive Manager gives me an error saying that rar is unsupported
[06:18] <hutch> karsten:  i get this msg when i'm done: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:18] <a_monkey> can anybody help?
[06:18] <anethema> a_monkey, it worked for me when i installed rar and unrar
[06:18] <hutch> karsten: where in the world does THAT go
[06:18] <c-sic> a_monkey: are you on a pc?
[06:19] <sidjp> not find that
[06:19] <anethema> sid: did you add extra repositories?
[06:19] <c-sic> sidjp: try following this page: http://ubuntuguide.org/#amule .
[06:19] <karsten> hutch: bash shell.   :P but no binary found lol
[06:24] <dr_willis> i cheat and use cedega and winrar
[06:24] <anethema> winrar is an amazing program
[06:24] <Nalioth> who is on PPC?
[06:24] <anethema> wish there was a linux ver
[06:25] <karsten> Nalioth: You are.
[06:25] <dr_willis> anethema,  yea - its very handy and good in ways.. and annoying in others. Lol.
[06:25] <anethema> a_monkey is
[06:25] <c-sic> me sometimes...
[06:25] <dr_willis> anethema,  it works very well with wine/cedega
[06:25] <anethema> ive never had winrar annoy me in windows
[06:25] <c-sic> he is too.
[06:25] <a_monkey> apt-cache search rar gives me no results
[06:25] <c-sic> a_monkey: what are you trying to do?
[06:25] <c-sic> I told you it is not there.
[06:25] <a_monkey> even though multiverse is enabled in my apt sources.list
[06:25] <Nalioth> me? wow
[06:25] <a_monkey> c-sic: really?
[06:25] <a_monkey> c-sic: why not?
[06:25] <anethema> try searching in synaptic
[06:25] <anethema> might get lucky
[06:26] <anethema> after adding all possible sources
[06:26] <metalsand2> I've never had anything annoy me in windows (fib)
[06:26] <anethema> haha i hate windows
[06:26] <metalsand2> Everything I do in linux, however, takes 8 hours.
[06:26] <anethema> so much stuff that pisses me off
[06:26] <anethema> i used to have that problem untill ubuntu
[06:26] <dr_willis> poor metalsand2.. :P
[06:26] <metalsand2> Ubuntu is my first Linux install
[06:26] <anethema> what network cards are they metalsand
[06:26] <metalsand2> So, that could be the issue
[06:27] <metalsand2> Intel PRO/wireless 2915 A/B/G (PCI)
[06:27] <danko123456> no lucky, anathema
[06:27] <jordanau> metalsand, are you new to linux?
[06:27] <anethema> OH
[06:27] <anethema> wireless
[06:27] <danko123456> there is no rar
[06:27] <metalsand2> Senao NL 2511 PLUS Ext 2 (PCMCIA)
[06:27] <anethema> might need to use NDISWrapper metalsand
[06:27] <danko123456> a_monkey: what are you trying to get done?
[06:27] <danko123456> I mean, why are you installing rar?
[06:27] <metalsand2> anethema: I've gotten one to work forsure
[06:27] <metalsand2> Now it just decided it doesn't want to naymore
[06:27] <metalsand2> and it ALWAYS shows disconnected in the panel icon
[06:27] <metalsand2> Flipping retarded.
[06:28] <anethema> seen this ? http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[06:28] <Nalioth> danko123456, no rar?
[06:28] <danko123456> well, metalsand, look on the bright side, at least you did not buy an apple.
[06:28] <danko123456> nope
[06:28] <danko123456> not at all.
[06:28] <metalsand2> That's true, Danko.
[06:28] <danko123456> only unrar
[06:28] <anethema> thats hurtin
[06:28] <danko123456> so..give it some time, raelly it is a matter of time...
[06:28] <anethema> if you buy an apple, at least use osx
[06:28] <anethema> its a very nice OS
[06:28] <danko123456> and someone knowledgeable coming to the #
[06:28] <anethema> why spend so much money on outdated hardware if you dont use osx
[06:28] <danko123456> it is almost time for that...
[06:28] <anethema> heheh
[06:29] <danko123456> you are just awful...
[06:29] <metalsand2> I'm seriously going to scream.
[06:29] <danko123456> it is pretty good.
[06:29] <danko123456> give it time, metal...
[06:29] <jordanau> metalsand, whats the problem?
[06:29] <metalsand2> I can't.
[06:29] <dr_willis> Hmm - im useing the  sources list at ubuntuguide.org and i have rar and rar-2.8
[06:29] <danko123456> why does it have to get connected now?
[06:29] <metalsand2> I've spent EIGHT hours trying to get this to work... on/off
[06:29] <danko123456> on a PPC, dr_willis?
[06:29] <metalsand2> and the only thing I've done is gone backwards
[06:29] <jordanau> metalsand2, what to work?
[06:30] <metalsand2> At least I COULD connect to the internet this morning
[06:30] <anethema> has anyone here got skype working in Ubuntu ? (with other sounds..it doesnt have native alsa support)
[06:30] <metalsand2> jordanau: My internal wireless card
[06:30] <dr_willis> danko123456,  ahh ppc.. You may indeade be SOL. :P
[06:30] <jordanau> metalsand2, are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:30] <metalsand2> I've been tyring to get my PCMCIA wireless card (newer and better - more software support)
[06:30] <danko123456> told you:)
[06:30] <metalsand2> jordanau: no
[06:30] <dr_willis> danko123456,  i would check the rarsoft homepage. for their own packages
[06:30] <jordanau> metalsand2, then at least your card has native linux drivers
[06:31] <REds> can i use official debian http sources, to install packages or upgrade ubuntu
[06:31] <danko123456> i dont care about it...a_monkey was trying to figure it out...
[06:31] <jordanau> metalsand2, it took me a day or two to get everything up and running, once you get it right, it is smooth sailing
[06:31] <danko123456> and yeah...
[06:31] <metalsand2> jordanau: I GOT my internal card up and running
[06:31] <c-sic> thats my nhew nick
[06:31] <metalsand2> Then my sail freaking exploded
[06:31] <metalsand2> and now I'm shipwreaked
[06:32] <metalsand2> (Except for my wonderful luxurious yacht that is keeping me afload (Windows XP Pro)
[06:32] <c-sic> i liked your story
[06:32] <jordanau> speaking of shipwrecked, this weeks LOST was awesome
[06:32] <c-sic> (ntil you added that)
[06:32] <anethema> yeah it was pretty good
[06:32] <anethema> thank god for azureus beeing programmed in java
[06:32] <anethema> and rss
[06:33] <metalsand2> c-sic: XP works, it just doesn't have all the software support that intially attracted me to Linux
[06:33] <c-sic> give it half an hour...
[06:33] <metalsand2> I've given it 16 halfs of horus.
[06:33] <jordanau> metalsand2, your yacht has a leaky hull but you cant see it because the holes are underwater :)
[06:33] <amonkey> anethema: i tried looking at the azureus code to make a change, that suff is hard to follow. 8 billion different classes.
[06:33] <c-sic> i mean at this point...crimsun, and bob2 will be here soon likely, those are your ppl
[06:34] <metalsand2> bob2 is mean to me :P
[06:34] <metalsand2> He tells me to read, read and read.
[06:34] <c-sic> as for me...Im about to blaze...so from now on, dont take it personal:-P
[06:34] <metalsand2> I don't know what to read :(
[06:34] <c-sic> he tells you what to read, and he is mean to everyone...
[06:34] <c-sic> kinda mean.
[06:35] <jordanau> a_monkey, are you still trying to use unrar?
[06:35] <anethema> yeah doh
[06:35] <anethema> im not a programmer
[06:35] <anethema> not for computers anyways
[06:35] <Nalioth> metalsand2, yes read read read man pages, google, faqs
[06:35] <anethema> electronics only
[06:35] <anethema> haha
[06:35] <c-sic> screq a_monkey he is not too eager to get help, it seems.
[06:35] <Nalioth> if you learn how to do it yourself, you'll be better for it metalsand2
[06:35] <jordanau> metalsand2, bob2 is teaching you to fish
[06:36] <metalsand2> I don't need to fish
[06:36] <dr_willis> He dont need no fish!  :P carp!
[06:36] <c-sic> too geographically specific
[06:36] <c-sic> for me...
[06:37] <c-sic> even though I am just north...
[06:37] <metalsand2> With Linux I need a rod, line, worms... Then I have to leave my house, go to the ocean, sit for HOURS waiting for a bite, then fight fight fight until I happen to get lucky and catch a fish
[06:37] <c-sic> not really...
[06:37] <anethema> then it gets off the hook!
[06:37] <c-sic> depends...
[06:37] <anethema> hhehe
[06:37] <c-sic> but yeah, its fun...
[06:37] <anethema> i dunno, im just so amazed at how easy ubuntu is
[06:37] <metalsand2> Then when I get the fish (my wireless card works)
[06:37] <metalsand2> It decideds it likes the ocean better
[06:37] <jordanau> metalsand2, but think about how good you feel about yourself when you are successful :)
[06:37] <metalsand2> and jumps back in.
[06:37] <anethema> i was soo impressed when i installed it
[06:37] <anethema> and grub just worked
[06:37] <metalsand2> hahahha
[06:37] <c-sic> what have you tried, metalsand2?
[06:37] <anethema> took me forever to get that shit set up in slack
[06:38] <metalsand2> Grub didn't work the first time for me
[06:38] <anethema> soo long
[06:38] <metalsand2> In fact
[06:38] <dr_willis> or get a book or 2 and sit on the toilet and read. :P
[06:38] <metalsand2> it broke my XP install
[06:38] <jordanau> metalsand2, what kind of card do you have?
[06:38] <anethema> i dont have windows installed
[06:38] <metalsand2> Intel Pro/Wireless 2915 A/B/G
[06:38] <metalsand2> It's worked before
[06:38] <c-sic> I was trying to make grub boot my xp from the other hard drive, and I gave up thinking it is impossible
[06:38] <anethema> cedega handles all my needs for games
[06:38] <jordanau> metalsand2, what made it quit?
[06:38] <metalsand2> I have NO idea
[06:38] <jordanau> metalsand2, was it random?
[06:38] <dr_willis> I cant get Cedega to handle GUildwars yet. :(
[06:39] <c-sic> what made it work?
[06:39] <metalsand2> I was trying to get my 2nd wireless card (PMCIA) to work
[06:39] <metalsand2> and did ifdown eth0
[06:39] <jordanau> metalsand2, so that is why
[06:39] <c-sic> so, just reboot,,,
[06:39] <metalsand2> now EVERYTHING , including GUI commands and terminal commands won't put it back up
[06:39] <c-sic> that will reset yuor interfaces
[06:40] <c-sic> its all about being funky, as heavy D just said...
[06:40] <jordanau> metalsand2, are you connecting via wlan0 or the new one you tried to install?
[06:40] <c-sic> plus eth0 is not your wireless is it?
[06:40] <anethema> eth0 shouldnt be wireless
[06:40] <Ksmurf> hello all
[06:40] <anethema> should be wlan0
[06:40] <c-sic> yo shaw!!
[06:40] <jordanau> Ksmurf, hi
[06:40] <metalsand2> jordanau: I'm connected via eth0
[06:40] <metalsand2> eth2 is my PCMCIA card
[06:41] <jordanau> metalsand2, but you want to be connected via wlan0 right?
[06:41] <c-sic> it deppends only on what you call it, dont it?
[06:41] <metalsand2> but it's never worked... I downloaded the drivers for with with synaptic
[06:41] <metalsand2> but I guess I have to configure them, and i don't even know where to begin with doing that
[06:41] <c-sic> mr milenko which language do you speak?
[06:41] <metalsand2> wlan0... jord, there is nothing listed as that
[06:41] <c-sic> in your interfaceS?
[06:42] <metalsand2> My only devices listed in network settings are eth0 (My internal wireless card), eth1 (My uncofigured network inteface card) and eth2 (my PCMCIA card)
[06:42] <metalsand2> None of them work
[06:42] <metalsand2> When I try to boot it just stalls on *Confiruging network interfaces for minutes
[06:43] <Dethread> metalsand2, ctrl+c out of that and configure it manually (dhclient eth<num>) once you're in
[06:43] <c-sic> thats cause you configured it through GUI, right?
[06:43] <jordanau> metalsand2, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[06:43] <metalsand2> c-sic, I've configured it through iwconfig and the GUI
[06:43] <jordanau> metalsand2, google gave me that, have you read into it
[06:43] <anethema> i showd him that already hehe
[06:43] <Ksmurf> the noob questions of the night... 1> I have a 200 GB harddrive I want to use for ubantu and VMware... how should I set my partions up  (sizes and file system).  2> I am also wondering about the difference between the 386 586 and 686 kernel sources.. I have a P4e if
[06:44] <Ksmurf> that matters'
[06:44] <metalsand2> jordanau: I don't get why I would need that
[06:44] <jordanau> Ksmurf, how much ram do you have?
[06:44] <metalsand2> I've had it working before
[06:44] <anethema> Ksmurf, if its just ubuntu and vmware (within ubuntu)
[06:44] <Ksmurf> jord.... 1024
[06:44] <jordanau> Ksmurf, then you probably dont need a swap
[06:45] <anethema> its always good to have a swap
[06:45] <junior_> wouldnt hurt though, especially with vmware
[06:45] <Nalioth> Ksmurf, use the highest kernel for what you have
[06:45] <anethema> i would do a 512mb swap parition, and the rest for ubuntu
[06:45] <junior_> i have a gig and a 512 swap. runs very nicely
[06:45] <jordanau> junior_, i have 512 and 512 swap
[06:45] <c-sic> depending on what he will do, he dont need a swap...my 512 never almost uses swap...
[06:45] <anethema> yeah
[06:45] <c-sic> or almost never
[06:45] <anethema> its just good to have
[06:46] <anethema> wiht a big hdd no reason to not have one
[06:46] <c-sic> right...2 gigs no doubt...
[06:46] <c-sic> :)
[06:46] <Ksmurf> i'm going to be using it for all things
[06:46] <anethema> heh
[06:46] <c-sic> but yeah, me and you dont really know that....
[06:46] <anethema> he said 200gb hdd
[06:46] <metalsand2> Ugh
[06:46] <anethema> so i figure, whats 512mb for the swap
[06:46] <anethema> haha
[06:46] <Ksmurf> athena... I have another 200 I will be bringing into the mix\
[06:47] <Ksmurf> as well for storage
[06:47] <jordanau> Ksmurf, so 200 just for ubuntu right?
[06:47] <c-sic> who is this milenko dude:)
[06:47] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[06:47] <c-sic> heh, awesome
[06:48] <c-sic> make some partitions, obviously.
[06:48] <c-sic> whatever...
[06:48] <c-sic> 200G
[06:48] <anethema> i wouldnt...ooone biggie
[06:48] <anethema> haha
[06:48] <c-sic> awesome
[06:48] <anethema> use dirs to organize
[06:48] <c-sic> folders...
[06:48] <metalsand2> What Ubuntu just destroy my drivers for my card?
[06:48] <Ksmurf> yes I have them set up on my doze
[06:48] <anethema> folders if you're a windows user
[06:48] <anethema> hehe
[06:48] <metalsand2> I don't get why it woudln't work
[06:48] <metalsand2> It just stopped...
[06:48] <c-sic> it will work, ask...
[06:48] <karsten> metalsand2: I think you made that point an hour or two ago.
[06:49] <metalsand2> It still isn't working karsten
[06:49] <metalsand2> lol...
[06:49] <karsten> metalsand2: Why don't you call it a night, buy a USB pen drive, and come back tomorrow.
[06:49] <Ksmurf> k I got the small swap drive part ...
[06:49] <metalsand2> I'm on the verge of throwing my laptop out the window
[06:49] <Nalioth> metalsand2, throw it this way
[06:49] <jowe> hi, I'm new to Ubuntu and this is my first time on here. I don't have much experience with Linux yet, but I'm working on it!
[06:49] <metalsand2> because, I just DON'T understand why if it worked originally
[06:49] <anethema> throw it into a box and ship it to me
[06:49] <jordanau> metalsand2, go ahead and chunk it :)
[06:49] <metalsand2> why I can't get it to work again
[06:50] <anethema> jowe, nice..keep at it
[06:50] <icebalm> jowe: yay :D
[06:50] <karsten> metalsand2: Call it a night and chill, dude.
[06:50] <metalsand2> No matter how upset I got, I couldn't. :P
[06:50] <jowe> thanks
[06:50] <metalsand2> Brand new $1700 from Dell
[06:50] <Nalioth> welcome, jowe
[06:50] <anethema> make sure to go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:50] <jordanau> jowe, do you have anything you want to discuss in detail?
[06:50] <jowe> I'm wondering does anyone know how I can configure my laptop wireless? it's built in.
[06:50] <c-sic> metalsand2: maybe the 2915 is not supported.
[06:50] <anethema> and use it to follow instructions on software you want
[06:50] <metalsand2> BWAAHAHHAHAHAHHA.
[06:50] <anethema> haha doh another wireless problem
[06:50] <jordanau> jowe, yeah ask metalsand2
[06:50] <metalsand2> Have fun, Jowe.
[06:50] <c-sic> haha
[06:50] <c-sic> awesome...
[06:51] <jowe> metalsand2  - thanks lol
[06:51] <c-sic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:51] <Ksmurf> I'll be using VMware for my 'doze work till I find altens.  and openBSD to teach myself UNIX and to try Kubantu and other distros
[06:51] <c-sic> maybe it is there...
[06:51] <jowe> I'll check it out now. thanks. :)
[06:51] <metalsand2> Jowe: start with this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[06:51] <jowe> metalsand2 - thanks. I'll check it out now. It'll be an adventure, I'm sure.
[06:51] <jordanau> jowe, also the introduction to linux at www.tdlp.org is a great way to learn about linux operation in general
[06:52] <metalsand2> Jowe: You have no idea how true that statement is
[06:52] <anethema> watch
[06:52] <anethema> 2mins later
[06:52] <anethema> jowe: "i got it working guys thanks!"
[06:52] <anethema> haha
[06:52] <anethema> metalsand2: "Arrrgaah!"
[06:52] <metalsand2> Just remember adventures don't always have happy endings :P
[06:52] <c-sic> anethema: lol, dude.
[06:52] <jordanau> jowe, just remember this when it comes to configuring wireless, it is not really that hard take your time and work through the howtos if they apply
[06:53] <Ksmurf> I dloaded the 386 install disk for ubantu.... should I be using 586 or 686 sources?
[06:53] <c-sic> metalsand2: you are freaking out for no reason, my wireless dont work at all...
[06:53] <jordanau> metalsand2, yeah but a sad ending to a great adventure is better than no adventure at all
[06:53] <metalsand2> Yes, and doy ou have a wireless card?
[06:53] <metalsand2> No, Jord. That isn't true. :P
[06:53] <anethema> im using the bootable install/live dvd
[06:53] <c-sic> you cant just buy some computer and expect it to work right away, give it some time, and relax, ask many times, some ppl come...
[06:53] <metalsand2> I know, c-sic
[06:53] <c-sic> and yours may work, mine dont.
[06:54] <metalsand2> I'm going to be in here every night until I get this working.
[06:54] <c-sic> so, chilll
[06:54] <Dethread> metalsand2, my wireless worked right out of the box ;)
[06:54] <metalsand2> Deth: Mine did too :)
[06:54] <metalsand2> But it decided it didn't want to anymore.
[06:54] <jordanau> metalsand2, so just start over
[06:54] <Dethread> metalsand2, and continues to work
[06:54] <c-sic> so, how long have you been using Ubuntu?
[06:54] <metalsand2> Like 4 days.
[06:54] <ecalot> in which package I can find /usr/include/sys/types.h ?
[06:54] <anethema> ive been using linux for like 5-6 years and im so amazed at how easy it is! haha
[06:54] <metalsand2> The first day I spent 5 hours getting a widescreen resolution working with Ubuntu.
[06:54] <Nalioth> jordanau, you know you're a geek thru and thru
[06:54] <anethema> the only thing i liked better in slack was the rc.d system
[06:55] <c-sic> ok, Ive had it since warty almost.
[06:55] <anethema> init scripts
[06:55] <c-sic> First, my internet didnt work, cause Im not on DHCP, for one...
[06:55] <anethema> amazed at how easy ubuntu is that is
[06:55] <c-sic> and so on...relax...
[06:55] <anethema> not linux in general hehe
[06:55] <jordanau> Nalioth, yeah i just changed my major to software engineering after realizing how much i hate chemical engineering
[06:55] <karsten> metalsand2: There's a few things here which may come as some solace.  Among them, Linux doesn't tend to randomly reorganize itself from out from under you.
[06:55] <karsten> Nalioth: I hear it's a bloodbath.
[06:56] <Nalioth> metalsand2, unlike windzoe which changes itself to suit its mood
[06:56] <Dethread> jordanau, which school do you go to?
[06:56] <anethema> karsten,  unless you use redhat/mandrake
[06:56] <anethema> haha
[06:56] <Nalioth> karsten, REALLY?
[06:56] <Ksmurf> Nalioth... highest kerrnal... what do u mean?
[06:56] <karsten> Nalioth: If you believe what you hear on IRC, yeah.
[06:56] <metalsand2> karsten: What does solace mean?
[06:56] <jordanau> Nalioth, no my favorite, we were playing a drinking game "never have i ever" and my friend drank after someone asked if you ever masturbated to anime porn, now thats geek
[06:56] <Nalioth> Ksmurf, if you are running a P4, use the 686 stuff
[06:56] <jordanau> Dethread, Auburn
[06:56] <pjo> Hello  i have questions on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html
[06:56] <metalsand2> I'm too lazy to alt+tab over to firefox and dictionary search :)
[06:57] <karsten> anethema: Even that, somewhat within reason.  There's a certain level of inertia to the command line.
[06:57] <pjo> Can anybody help me ?
[06:57] <Ksmurf> even if I insatll the 386 install disk?
[06:57] <karsten> anethema: Though I can't remember how many FW methods I've forgetten...
[06:57] <jordanau> Dethread, you?
[06:57] <anethema> edit the wrong config file by hand tho...and kiss your install goodbye it seems
[06:57] <anethema> haha
[06:57] <karsten> pjo: Ask
[06:57] <Nalioth> jordanau, damn and i thought i was bad, buying my tix more than month ahead of time
[06:57] <metalsand2> Cool
[06:57] <metalsand2> iwlist scanning
[06:57] <anethema> got to use all the stupid settings editors
[06:57] <metalsand2> display my network
[06:57] <Dethread> jordanau, Cal Poly
[06:57] <pjo> karsten  thanks   i got some eroors
[06:57] <metalsand2> iwlist eth0 scanning
[06:57] <Nalioth> Ksmurf, you have to use the 386 installer
[06:57] <karsten> anethema: cfengine / cvs are your friends.
[06:57] <metalsand2> Displays some random network, and not mine
[06:57] <Ksmurf> Nalioth K
[06:57] <pjo> shall I paste it to home page ?
[06:57] <metalsand2> Why is Ubuntu so random?
[06:57] <Nalioth> later you can upgrade your stuff to 686 if it applies
[06:57] <anethema> haha ill just never use redhat or anything like it again
[06:58] <Nalioth> metalsand2, random?
[06:58] <jordanau> Dethread, i am looking forward to taking java next semester, did you know that jGRASP is developed by auburn?
[06:58] <karsten> pjo: Paste to paster.
[06:58] <karsten> pjo: Website.  Or #flood.
[06:58] <Dethread> jordanau, I have never heard of jGRASP
[06:58] <pjo> karsten  shall we go to other channel ?
[06:58] <jordanau> Dethread, at least its not southern cal
[06:58] <c-sic> pjo: did you ask on kubuntu too?
[06:58] <Ksmurf> Nalioth Just through synaptic?
[06:58] <anethema> pjo, use pastebin
[06:58] <jordanau> Dethread, java ide
[06:58] <neighborlee> hey people..where do I get the printer command that say gedit uses to print to my printer...I need it for gimp-print ...????
[06:58] <anethema> to paste
[06:58] <metalsand2> What's wrong with Southern Ca
[06:58] <Nalioth> Ksmurf, yup
[06:58] <metalsand2> I love SoCal.
[06:58] <Dethread> jordanau, I use vim or Eclipse if I have to :)
[06:58] <anethema> i wanna go dirtbiking in socal
[06:58] <anethema> sounds nice
[06:59] <anethema> except for the enviro nazis
[06:59] <c-sic> socalled socal
[06:59] <jordanau> metalsand2, they were ranked number 1 in college football and auburn was 2
[06:59] <metalsand2> Ah.
[06:59] <jordanau> Dethread, check out jGRASP
[06:59] <pjo> this channel is busy  so where can I go to ask questions ?
[06:59] <Ksmurf> Nalioth Even though I'm running... will I have to change grub to reflect the chnge?
[06:59] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  could use just 'lpr' or I perfer the program 'xpp'  for more controll.. but iwas thinking gedit saw myinstalled printers allready
[06:59] <c-sic> jsut ask here again.
[06:59] <metalsand2> Football sucks... But we're best at almost everything, so that isn't surprising :P
[06:59] <anethema> whats your question pjo
[06:59] <metalsand2> Girls, however. I do care, so that's a big plus ;)
[06:59] <pjo> ok
[06:59] <Nalioth> Ksmurf, i believe that when you upgrade, synaptic (or apt) does it for you
[06:59] <pjo> where shall I paste the errors ?
[07:00] <Ksmurf> Nalioth cool... thanks
[07:00] <metalsand2> The channel flood, pjo
[07:00] <jordanau> pastebin
[07:00] <anethema> pjo, use pastebin
[07:00] <karsten> metalsand2: What's wrong with SoCal is not enough rain, earthquakes, fires, or landslides.
[07:00] <metalsand2> Or pastebin.com
[07:00] <pjo> ok channel flood
[07:00] <Dethread> jordanau, looks pretty ugly :(
[07:00] <metalsand2> We had plenty of fires last year
[07:00] <anethema> always use pastebin
[07:00] <jordanau> #flood is agonizingly slow
[07:00] <metalsand2> And this week it's rained 3 times. :)
[07:00] <karsten> metalsand2: My point exactlyu.
[07:00] <ivoks> morning
[07:00] <anethema> pjo, http://pastebin.com/
[07:00] <pjo> ok   pastebin   where is it ?
[07:00] <metalsand2> Oh, sarcasm.
[07:00] <Ksmurf> K one question down now what about the part. setup . Any advice?
[07:01] <Ksmurf> morn ivoks
[07:01] <neighborlee> dr_willis, yes gedit sees my printer fine...but gimp-print isn't so fortunate so I needed the printer command string ;(
[07:01] <anethema> then you get an output like this
[07:01] <anethema> http://pastebin.com/280315
[07:01] <metalsand2> I'm going to restart my wireless router
[07:01] <karsten> metalsand2: Who's sarcastic?
[07:01] <jordanau> Ksmurf, are you installing ubuntu alone on 200 gig harddrive?
[07:01] <metalsand2> Perhaps it's not Linux that's screwing it up, but my hardware.
[07:01] <metalsand2> Brb.
[07:02] <anethema> Ksmurf, just make a big parition for unbuntu...done
[07:02] <jordanau> bye metalsand2 you will be missed...
[07:02] <pjo> http://pastebin.com/280316  here it is
[07:02] <Mistiry> ok im getting an error when i try to install an mp3 player.....who can help me?
[07:02] <pjo> i was doing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html
[07:02] <Nalioth> Mistiry, what error?
[07:02] <anethema> my advice: use gnome
[07:02] <anethema> haha
[07:02] <Nalioth> Mistiry, we need to know more
[07:02] <Mistiry> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[07:03] <pjo> i like to use KDE
[07:03] <anethema> i know im just kidding
[07:03] <pjo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html  they say it works
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> Mistiry: it must be old
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> Mistiry: what mp3 player
[07:03] <Mistiry> i tried apt-get install glib, but doesnt work
[07:03] <Nalioth> so Mistiry what is the problem?
[07:03] <bob2> Mistiry: install build-essential and libglib1.2-deb
[07:03] <anethema> thats a crazy error
[07:03] <Mistiry> xmms i thing it was
[07:03] <bob2> Mistiry: er, libglib1.2-dev
[07:03] <bob2> Mistiry: why are you compiling xmms?
[07:03] <bob2> Mistiry: it's in ubuntu already
[07:03] <Nalioth> ah bob2 welcome
[07:03] <anethema> it doesnt give you much info to fix it
[07:03] <anethema> haha
[07:04] <Mistiry> ok calm down people....im kinda new to linux
[07:04] <bosewicht> lol
[07:04] <pjo> it looks like when scim tries to open a small window for conversion  it generated error
[07:04] <anethema> its ok ministry
[07:04] <bob2> Mistiry: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:04] <bob2> Mistiry: read that and enable the "universe" repository
[07:04] <anethema> Ministry, go to www.ubuntuguide.com
[07:04] <anethema> and look at the xmms entry
[07:04] <bob2> Mistiry: then you can install xmms using synaptic
[07:04] <anethema> just follow the commands exactly
[07:05] <Nalioth> Mistiry, you can overload from too many instances of Mistiry in a sequence
[07:05] <karsten> bob2: if you can figure out metalsand2's wifi issues at some point...
[07:06] <ivoks> http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[07:06] <ivoks> hm... :)
[07:06] <Mistiry> ok any other good mp3 player?
[07:06] <anethema> Mistiry, xmms is best
[07:06] <holycow> ivoks, apt-get install runit
[07:06] <holycow> :)
[07:06] <anethema> but follow ubuntuguide
[07:06] <anethema> always ubuntuguide
[07:06] <anethema> you will install it no sweat
[07:06] <ivoks> holycow somehow i don't feel like it :)
[07:06] <Mistiry> it says ubuntuguide.com cant find the server
[07:06] <Nalioth> Mistiry, there are many different mp3 players
[07:06] <anethema> sorry
[07:07] <anethema> www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:07] <dr_willis> :)
[07:07] <c-sic> Mistiry: bob2 told you...
[07:07] <ivoks> holycow i could try, maybe...
[07:07] <anethema> go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xmms
[07:07] <anethema> follow ALL the instructions
[07:07] <anethema> and it will work forsure.
[07:07] <Mistiry> ok lemme try it
[07:08] <holycow> xmms needs to be rewritten ... i think there is some work being done on that
[07:08] <anethema> yeah, but it works now anyways
[07:08] <anethema> some bugs
[07:08] <anethema> hehe
[07:08] <ivoks> holycow xmms2
[07:08] <holycow> rofl? ah!
[07:08] <Dethread> Mistiry, you will also have to set xmms to use ESD instead of OSS
[07:08] <ivoks> holycow but that's something totally different
[07:09] <Mistiry> Dethread, i have no idea what ESD and OSS are...again, im a n00bie
[07:09] <ivoks> holycow xmms2.xmms.org
[07:09] <Dethread> Mistiry, tell us when you're done installing
[07:09] <metalsand> HAHA!
[07:09] <Dethread> metalsand, well?
[07:09] <metalsand> I'm browsing from my laptop
[07:09] <Dethread> metalsand, so it wasn't ubuntu after all
[07:09] <metalsand> It was my freaking router the entire time
[07:09] <Dethread> metalsand, tsk tsk
[07:10] <Mistiry> i will
[07:10] <holycow> ivoks, *nod*
[07:10] <spacepopeye> ERROR: Could not initialize sdl_mixer. Do I need to install somethine? What?
[07:10] <metalsand> Cool. Now back to what really matters
[07:10] <Nalioth> Mistiry, you should read the ubuntu howtos
[07:10] <c-sic> ivoks: wow a logo...
[07:10] <metalsand> Getting my PCMCIA Card to work!
[07:10] <metalsand> karstern: you around?
[07:10] <jordanau> Dethread, ugliness is not what matters, what matters is it is made in auburn so i am proud :)
[07:10] <c-sic> dude...lol...your router...gotta love that...
[07:11] <jordanau> Dethread, i have to find significance somewhere...
[07:11] <ivoks> c-sic yep, logo
[07:11] <metalsand> where did my user list go in x-chat?
[07:11] <Mistiry> ok i get this after i do the first command ubuntuguide gives me
[07:11] <c-sic> to sam ja...lol
[07:11] <Mistiry> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:11] <Mistiry> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:11] <Mistiry> is only available from another source
[07:11] <Mistiry> eggy: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[07:11] <jordanau> metalsand, your router!!???!!!111
[07:11] <Dethread> jordanau, I understand
[07:11] <c-sic> I just changed my nick...
[07:11] <metalsand> jordanau, apparently :P
[07:11] <ivoks> ok
[07:11] <anethema> Mistiry,
[07:11] <anethema> you didnt follow the intructions
[07:11] <Dethread> metalsand, it's probably minimized to the right
[07:12] <bosewicht> anyone using the debian gis packages?
[07:12] <eggy> eh?
[07:12] <metalsand> Well, how do I maximize it?
[07:12] <jordanau> metalsand, if it makes you feel better, i struggled for days with sound only to discover i had the volume down
[07:12] <Dethread> just drag it back out
[07:12] <pjo> did anybody look at my errors ?
[07:12] <Dethread> Mistiry, did you set the repositories correctly?
[07:13] <metalsand> jordanau, it does, thanks
[07:13] <metalsand> Dethread, how do I maximize my user list
[07:13] <Dethread> Mistiry, in other words, did you follow steps 1,2 and 3 in that link you wree given?
[07:13] <Mistiry> im doing that now
[07:13] <Dethread> metalsand, I don't know....it has happened to me though...just grab the bar on the very right and drag it to the left
[07:13] <ivoks> ok... let's try runit :)
[07:13] <metalsand> Ah. There it is
[07:14] <ivoks> time for reboot
[07:14] <metalsand> Cool, thanks
[07:14] <karsten> metalsand: Better?
[07:14] <metalsand> karsten, yes :)
[07:14] <karsten> metalsand: Hah!
[07:14] <metalsand> i'm browsing from my laptop now... When I iwlist scanning didn't show my network, but a neighbors I figured somethign was fishy
[07:15] <Dethread> that's the first thing you should have checked
[07:15] <Nalioth> y'all be good (or smile a lot)
[07:15] <jordanau> metalsand, how does it feel to be rescued from the island??? Actually you swam off yourself...
[07:15] <karsten> metalsand: I'd taunt you, but I'd have to tell you about fscked Linksys hubs, bad ethernet cables, misconfigured routes, duplicate routes, and a few other sins.
[07:15] <metalsand> karsten, now that I have a means of pasting, can you help me configure my PCMCIA card?
[07:15] <Dethread> he basically kicked himself in the nuts
[07:15] <karsten> metalsand: What did it take?  Router reset?
[07:15] <metalsand> yes
[07:15] <metalsand> I restarted my cable modem for good mesure, too.
[07:15] <karsten> metalsand: Learn to love the command line.   It doesn't look anything like the way I tweaked mIRC in windows, but it works :)
[07:16] <karsten> metalsand: OK.  FYI, in irssi, '/exec -o <cmd> ' will output straight to channel.    You can get Xchat for 'Doze FYI.
[07:16] <dazzed> www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux_latest.jpg <--- my irssi
[07:16] <jordanau> i liked irssi when xorg broke, but i use xchat again
[07:16] <karsten> metalsand: pcmcia:  You need a couple of packages....
[07:17] <shadeofgrey> hey
[07:17] <metalsand> I downloaded wlan-ng, the drivers I read were required for the card I used
[07:17] <karsten> metalsand: ...I'm judging this from Debian, Ubuntu may be slightly different...
[07:17] <Chameleon22> where can i brows all available universe debs online?
[07:17] <shadeofgrey> is the newest version of the openoffice beta available through apt-get yet?
[07:17] <anethema> Chameleon22, : use synaptic
[07:17] <dazzed> Chameleon22: www.debian.org
[07:17] <dazzed> or use synaptic
[07:17] <dazzed> or
[07:17] <jordanau> Chameleon22, you mean like synaptic?
[07:17] <dazzed> apt-get
[07:17] <shadeofgrey> the one with the blue startup screen and special new file support?
[07:17] <Chameleon22> anethema: can you read
[07:17] <karsten> metalsand: aptitude install pcmcia-cs
[07:17] <Chameleon22> i said online
[07:17] <c-sic> dazzed: pretty f...sweet.
[07:17] <anethema> "Chameleon22 where can i brows all available universe debs online?"
[07:18] <dazzed> Chameleon22: use www.debian.org
[07:18] <anethema> it is online
[07:18] <dazzed> c-sic: thanks
[07:18] <anethema> where do you think you are getting the package list?
[07:18] <Brunellus> OK.  I can't print from my printserver....
[07:18] <karsten> metalsand: after install, for good meaaure, '/etc/init.d/pcmcia start'
[07:18] <Brunellus> I can ping the printserver
[07:18] <Chameleon22> dazzed: are all ubuntu debs ported from debian ?
[07:18] <c-sic> thats my new nick...
[07:18] <c-sic> lol
[07:18] <karsten> Chameleon22: More or less.
[07:18] <Brunellus> but trying to print from it, I get a "remote host busy or unavailable" message
[07:18] <dazzed> Chameleon22: no...but thats the only place you can get all of em...and a lot of them are
[07:18] <metalsand> pcmcia-cs is already the newest version
[07:18] <jordanau> Chameleon22, but you dont need to use debian debs for ubuntu
[07:19] <ivoks> ok... that didn't work out well :)
[07:19] <Brunellus> anybody know anything about network printing?
[07:19] <karsten> metalsand: OK.
[07:19] <Chameleon22> so ubuntu uses sid's deb?
[07:19] <jordanau> Chameleon22, no ubuntu debs
[07:19] <karsten> metalsand: Is your card currently in?
[07:19] <metalsand> starting PCMCIA services: [ok]
[07:19] <karsten> metalsand: ...there may be some stuff under your system menu for PCMCIA config...
[07:19] <karsten> metalsand: Good.
[07:19] <metalsand> It is now, karsten
[07:19] <karsten> metalsand: Is your PC card in?
[07:19] <dazzed> ubuntu uses ubuntu debs...but they all match up so its cool to use www.debian.org
[07:19] <c-sic> Brunellus: it is printinig over a network...
[07:19] <metalsand> karsten, yes
[07:19] <c-sic> lol
[07:19] <jordanau> dazzed, really? i hear not to use debian debs
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> nobody knows?
[07:20] <Brunellus> c-sic:  what did you mean by that?
[07:20] <dazzed> jordanau: well then dont use them...i use a lot of them all work fine...a deb is a deb...doesnt matter who makes em
[07:20] <dazzed> its just a pacakging system
[07:20] <karsten> metalsand: OK.  Eject it, give it a couple of seconds, and reinsert it..  You should hear a "boop ... beep BEEP"
[07:20] <dazzed> ubuntu is debian based
[07:20] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, what ubuntu are you using?
[07:20] <c-sic> shadeofgrey: can you download a .bin from their site?
[07:20] <Brunellus> what bugs me most of all is that this worked *fine* before I upgraded to hoary
[07:20] <dazzed> i have debs that aer made by friends...fuck i have made a few debs
[07:20] <Brunellus> no settings have changed with the printserver
[07:21] <jordanau> dazzed, then you know more than i do
[07:21] <Brunellus> but somehow I get the feeling that there's a blocked port somewhere along the line
[07:21] <c-sic> Brunellus: you asked: Brunellus: anybody know anything about network printing? so I said: c-sic: Brunellus: it is printinig over a network...
[07:21] <ivoks> dazzed u just have to love deb :)
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> im using 5.04
[07:21] <metalsand> karsten, nothing... no sounds
[07:21] <metalsand> karsten, in fact, the only sounds I have heard using Ubuntu are the start and shutdown sounds
[07:21] <dazzed> ivoks: they do make it easy :)
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> does a .bin install the same as apt-get?
[07:21] <anethema> boomp when it boots and i get the login screen
[07:22] <karsten> metalsand: OK...
[07:22] <matthew> I (L) UBUNTU
[07:22] <shadeofgrey> jordanau:  im using the newest ubuntu
[07:22] <matthew> hehe
[07:22] <karsten> metalsand: Should be PC speaker IIRC.
[07:22] <jordanau> oo.org will not be upgraded anymore unless you compile yourself, change to breezy, use backports, or unless security upgrades are neccesary
[07:22] <Brunellus> cheers c-sic, but that doesn't get my CV printed in time for tomorrow's interview....
[07:22] <Brunellus> :p
[07:22] <jordanau> anyone correct  me if i am wrong
[07:22] <ivoks> Brunellus what's the problem?
[07:23] <c-sic> dazzed: tahts really your desktop?
[07:23] <jordanau> metalsand, have you read any howtos on sound?
[07:23] <metalsand> jordanau, nope... I figured my sound was correctly configured, because I could hear Ubuntu start/shutdown sounds
[07:23] <karsten> metalsand: Hrm...  I don't use pcmcia here much currently though I've got it, appears out ATM, give me a few....
[07:23] <anethema> god i'd kill for skype to use alsa
[07:24] <anethema> play ut and talk on skype and get sound for both
[07:24] <dazzed> c-sic: of course! my server and everything
[07:24] <dazzed> i got other pictures too but they all the same really
[07:24] <shadeofgrey> you mean ubuntu is no longer going to support oo.org?
[07:24] <Brunellus> ivoks:  I can ping my printserver
[07:24] <shadeofgrey> or is that just until 2 isnt in beta anymore?
[07:24] <ivoks> Brunellus ok...
[07:24] <Brunellus> I specify its IP, and the print queue
[07:25] <Brunellus> but nothing
[07:25] <c-sic> wow, tahts in fluxbox?
[07:25] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, no they freeze a particular version when an official release comes out
[07:25] <ivoks> Brunellus and ur printerserver is cups or something else?
[07:25] <shadeofgrey> jordanau:  what does that mean for me?
[07:25] <dazzed> ubuntu isnt going to have oo?
[07:25] <dazzed> whered u hear this?
[07:25] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, they will not provide anymore non-security upgrades unless you switch to breezy
[07:25] <shadeofgrey> what the hell is breezy?
[07:25] <jordanau> dazzed, not true misunderstanding
[07:25] <dazzed> jordanau: ohh ok
[07:25] <ivoks> shadeofgrey new ubuntu
[07:26] <Brunellus> ivoks:  the printserver is a Hawking one-port parallel printserver.  the docs say it should be lpd
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> you mean to tell me hoary is already outdated?
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> okay
[07:26] <anethema> whoa
[07:26] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, yes
[07:26] <Brunellus> I got it to work before, under warty
[07:26] <anethema> there is a new ubuntu out
[07:26] <anethema> ?
[07:26] <bored2k> breezy will be out on October
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> how do i upgrade it then?
[07:26] <ivoks> Brunellus nmap -v IP_of_your_printerserver
[07:26] <bored2k> breezy is still in early dev stage
[07:26] <metalsand> how stable is Breezy right now?
[07:26] <dazzed> no need to upgrade yet...dev stage
[07:26] <ivoks> unstable
[07:26] <dazzed> metalsand: its bad right now
[07:27] <c-sic> shadeofgrey: do you know that you can install programs that are not from a repository?
[07:27] <Ksmurf> should I be using reiser XFS ext2 or 3... any suggestions?
[07:27] <ivoks> xfs
[07:27] <shadeofgrey> will i have to totally reinstall to get breezy going when it hits?
[07:27] <dazzed> most that upgrade..revert back shortly after
[07:27] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, distro releases are "outdated" before they come out
[07:27] <anethema> reiser i would
[07:27] <anethema> im using reiser
[07:27] <ivoks> shadeofgrey no. u will just upgrade
[07:27] <anethema> never heard of xfs
[07:27] <bored2k> shadeofgrey a dist-upgrade will do
[07:27] <ivoks> LOL!
[07:27] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, no
[07:27] <dazzed> shadeofgrey: you can use synaptic to download the new upgrade and then reboot and urd one
[07:27] <ivoks> anethema never heard? and u use reiser?
[07:27] <anethema> is there a new ubuntu out?
[07:27] <anethema> i use reiser
[07:27] <anethema> yes
[07:27] <dazzed> its in dev stage...really unstbale
[07:27] <ivoks> anethema XFS is maybe not so fast, but faster...
[07:27] <jordanau> anethema, no not since april
[07:28] <metalsand> karsten, you still checking stuff out?
[07:28] <ivoks> anethema but reiser is disaster waiting to happen
[07:28] <anethema> why
[07:28] <bored2k> "please dont upgrade yet" < http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27865
[07:28] <anethema> whats wrong wiht it
[07:28] <anethema> ive used it on slack forever
[07:28] <dazzed> thank you :)
[07:28] <anethema> never had problems
[07:28] <ivoks> anethema too much expeerience with that sh**t
[07:28] <Brunellus> h'm.
[07:28] <anethema> ah
[07:28] <dazzed> anethema: slack is a good system...what reason u switch to ubu?
[07:28] <metalsand> What's nmap?
[07:28] <anethema> is xfs mature enough to actually use?
[07:28] <anethema> dazzed, just to try, but now ill never go back
[07:28] <jordanau> metalsand, google
[07:28] <ivoks> anethema XFS is older than Linux :)
[07:28] <anethema> is it journaliing ?
[07:29] <ivoks> anethema it was standars FS on Irix
[07:29] <ivoks> anethema of course
[07:29] <dazzed> anethema: yeah true...i know how that is...i think im going to dual boot slack and ubu cuz slack is fun
[07:29] <anethema> heh i dunno
[07:29] <Brunellus> I'll be damned.  everything's closed
[07:29] <anethema> just spend soo much time getting stuff working how you want in slack
[07:29] <Brunellus> except 10000/tcp snet-sensor-mgmt
[07:29] <ivoks> anethema it's the fastest FS for big files
[07:29] <anethema> took me like 20mins on ubuntu
[07:29] <dazzed> anethema: oohhhh sooo true...first insatll fucking 3 hours to get errors on every boot then 2 weeks before i got it to run like a computer
[07:29] <anethema> i was soo amazed at how easy shit was
[07:29] <anethema> didnt know how easy linux could be
[07:30] <anethema> but its not a hand-holder like mandrake
[07:30] <anethema> or..mandriva!
[07:30] <anethema> haha
[07:30] <anethema> poor buggers
[07:30] <anethema> going with the metrosexual fad or somehting
[07:30] <dazzed> anethema: the direction ubu is going is for windows converters though
[07:30] <metalsand> jordanau, is nmap more for wired networks?
[07:30] <dazzed> so i might be getting out
[07:30] <Brunellus> ok.  everything's shut down
[07:30] <ivoks> nmap is must-have tool
[07:30] <dazzed> might go over to gentoo or something
[07:30] <Brunellus> that explains why I can't even telnet to the printserver
[07:30] <ivoks> dazzed u tried gentoo?
[07:31] <dazzed> not yet
[07:31] <ivoks> dazzed don't go there...
[07:31] <ivoks> :)
[07:31] <anethema> yeah i guess, but its so easy, but still..based on debian and can edit config files easily
[07:31] <ivoks> don't get me wrong
[07:31] <dazzed> iv i have some friends that are alll over that shit...whats your oppinion on it?
[07:31] <dazzed> ivoks: * ^
[07:31] <ivoks> gentoo is, maybe, the best distro out there
[07:31] <ivoks> but...
[07:31] <anethema> hmmm
[07:31] <ivoks> it takes TOO MUCH time
[07:31] <anethema> i wasnt impressed with gentoo over slack
[07:31] <anethema> has emerge which is cool
[07:31] <dazzed> relaly lots of time?
[07:32] <anethema> but..bah
[07:32] <metalsand> ivoks: too much time to do what?
[07:32] <c-sic> gnome is pretty
[07:32] <dazzed> yeah i hear the emerge wshit
[07:32] <karsten> metalsand: Yes, still checking.
[07:32] <anethema> everything takes forever
[07:32] <dazzed> its like apt-get
[07:32] <ivoks> anethema it's the best couse u can optimize every package
[07:32] <ivoks> metalsand compiling every day :)
[07:32] <anethema> who cares
[07:32] <anethema> optimize
[07:32] <anethema> wow 1%
[07:32] <anethema> if that
[07:32] <anethema> never notice that
[07:32] <karsten> metalsand: ...and taking a refreshment break.
[07:32] <dazzed> lol
[07:32] <ivoks> anethema acctually, much more
[07:32] <anethema> i compiled everything i slack anyways
[07:32] <Dethread> where is that dictionary file (usually /user/share/dict/words) in ubuntu?
[07:32] <anethema> not much more, ive seen the benchmarks
[07:32] <metalsand> karsten: k. no worries, thanks for helping me thus far
[07:32] <anethema> it averages like 1%
[07:32] <anethema> or 2
[07:32] <ivoks> karsten ?
[07:32] <karsten> metalsand: It's personal -- I'd like to get it working.
[07:33] <metalsand> karsten, ahhahaha
[07:33] <karsten> ivoks: http://funroll-loops.org/
[07:33] <ivoks> anethema there isn't any app compiled for pentium-m
[07:33] <chavo> karsten, you should hand it to him up against his head.
[07:33] <karsten> chavo: That would imply finding it.
[07:33] <metalsand> up against my head? o.O
[07:33] <dazzed> too bad i can get slack to run perfectly fine but i cant figure out a way to get this stupid xmms-infopipe pm installed...i tried everything lol
[07:33] <ivoks> anethema so u can imagine difference beetween ubuntu (486 optimized) and gentoo (pm optimized)
[07:34] <ivoks> anethema it's not just 1%, it's 25%
[07:34] <anethema> heh
[07:34] <anethema> i would have to see some very convincing benchmarks to believe that
[07:34] <metalsand> Are the 486/PM kernel related things?
[07:34] <metalsand> I'm trying to gleen knowledge.
[07:34] <anethema> hes talking about diff cpus
[07:34] <dazzed> related in the way they are both kernels...and that they power the same ubuntu but besides that no
[07:34] <anethema> pentium M and 486
[07:35] <metalsand> Oh.
[07:35] <metalsand> 486 = ?
[07:35] <dazzed> they are processed differently for dif processors to optimize performance
[07:35] <dazzed> 486 intel
[07:35] <dazzed> i mean amd***
[07:35] <anethema> it really doesnt make that much diff
[07:35] <dazzed> it doesnt
[07:35] <metalsand> So, since I'm running a lappy (1.6 Centrino - PM) my comp would process faster using Gentoo?
[07:36] <dazzed> metalsand: the thing about ubu they have kernels for all dif processors
[07:36] <dazzed> its just based on the 486
[07:36] <anethema> metalsand, about 2 percent faster, and MUCH harder to use
[07:36] <anethema> compared to ubuntu
[07:36] <shadeofgrey> according to the doca online all you have to do to install the new oo is download the tar, extract it to a tmp directory and run ./setup
[07:37] <gnuyen> I keep getting a dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.error
[07:37] <shadeofgrey> is it REALLY that easy?
[07:37] <metalsand> Heh. I'm having a hard enough time for Ubuntu. Perhaps I'll try some other distros once I get a decent foundation of linux after a few months
[07:37] <dazzed> ubuntu also has the 64 bit kernels and os's which is neat
[07:37] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, yeah probably
[07:37] <anethema> good luck even installing gentoo
[07:37] <dazzed> im sure the rest do too but i hgave been dedicated ubuntu so long now
[07:37] <anethema> such a pain
[07:37] <anethema> haha
[07:37] <ivoks> karsten :)
[07:37] <chavo> shadeofgrey, you have to do it uphill, both ways
[07:37] <gnuyen> is there anything I can do to fix that?
[07:37] <jordanau> chavo, in the snow
[07:37] <chavo> carrying your sister on your back
[07:38] <jordanau> chavo, haha never heard that one
[07:38] <metalsand> who is 400 pounds overwieght, and infected with rabies
[07:38] <chavo> ha, got it from an old roommate
[07:38] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, will you have issues with the other one getting in the way
[07:38] <chavo> ooh rabies
[07:38] <metalsand> Mmmmm. Rabies.
[07:38] <jordanau> metalsand, my sister has rabies, thats not funny :(
[07:39] <shadeofgrey> not if i apt-get remove it first
[07:39] <shadeofgrey> right
[07:39] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, thats what i dont know better ask someone
[07:39] <metalsand> How awesome is MXC
[07:39] <chavo> shadeofgrey, you can probably run both, if you wnated to.
[07:39] <shadeofgrey> how do you make it remove everything though?
[07:39] <shadeofgrey> i dont wnt to
[07:39] <shadeofgrey> the old one blows rancid baboon balls
[07:40] <metalsand> So, if I had nothing better to do and wanted to install the PM kernel for Ubuntu
[07:40] <metalsand> How exactly would I go about doing that?
[07:40] <chavo> shadeofgrey, that's gotta be worth something.
[07:41] <chavo> metalsand, PM kernel?
[07:41] <anethema> pentium m
[07:41] <mak> I have a ton of OOo2 packages in '.deb' files. How would i go about installing all of them?
[07:41] <karsten> mak: dpkg -i <package list>
[07:41] <jordanau> mak, dpkg
[07:41] <jordanau> karsten, you have beat me to that twice tonight
[07:42] <shadeofgrey> whats the apt-get command to remove something?
[07:42] <tezza> anyone get the problem with the ubuntu installer halting before it loads the install screens?
[07:42] <karsten> jordanau: ;-)
[07:42] <jordanau> apt-get remove
[07:42] <mak> karsten, will dpkg figure out what to install first, last, etc?
[07:42] <chavo> jordanau, he's probably got a hotkey
[07:42] <karsten> shadeofgrey: remove|purge
[07:42] <karsten> mak: Yes.
[07:42] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, also apt-get -h
[07:42] <karsten> mak: In general, you're better off using aptitude or synaptic.
[07:42] <cs83> i have 2 usb removable drives: an external dvd writer and an external hard drive. when i plug in the dvd ubuntu mounts it and shows the dvd icon on the desktop. for my hd, it mounts it but doesn't show the icon on the desktop. how can i make ubuntu show the icon?
[07:43] <karsten> mak: ...why'd you d/l the packages instead of 'aptitude install ... ' ?
[07:44] <mak> karsten, the ones that are there are pretty old (m79), current is m100. is it not a big deal?
[07:44] <karsten> mak: Learn to love and trust your package manager.
[07:44] <jordanau> chavo, haha
[07:44] <karsten> mak: What OS are you coming from?
[07:44] <mak> :) will do
[07:44] <ivoks> pjo u want write japanese in every app?
[07:45] <gorilla_> there's a a bash quote :-)
[07:45] <metalsand> karsten, ETA on refreshment break?
[07:45] <mak> karsten, I've been messing with linux for about a year
[07:45] <mak> nothing seriuos
[07:45] <karsten> metalsand: I'm troubleshooting.
[07:45] <metalsand> karsten, troubleshooting my issue? :o
[07:45] <karsten> mak: What APT (A Package Tool), Ubuntu's package manager, buys you, is resolving dependencies between packages.
[07:46] <anethema> aptitude
[07:46] <jordanau> mak, no depency hell
[07:46] <karsten> mak: If you go outside of it, you're taking a risk of getting incompatible stuff on your system.
[07:46] <jordanau> wow i cant spell worth  a shit
[07:46] <karsten> mak: IME, going for the latest and greatest rarely provides compelling advantages.
[07:46] <karsten> jordanau: Looks like you spelled it just fine there ;-)
[07:46] <mak> karsten, last time. I promise :). hope nothing got screwed up too bad
[07:47] <mak> karsten, actually, I cant find where the packages just installed
[07:47] <jordanau> karsten, unfortunately there are badass programs like blender that get really cool updates fairly regularly
[07:47] <karsten> mak: If they're DEBs and built for Ubuntu, you may be OK.  There are third party repositories, I use a few.
[07:47] <gorilla_> karsten, nope.. its't dependency :-)
[07:47] <shadeofgrey> okay
[07:47] <shadeofgrey> so
[07:47] <karsten> jordanau: Sure.   I got them from the site
[07:48] <mak> the OOo site
[07:48] <jordanau> hey ztonzy
[07:49] <Brunellus> fuk.
[07:49] <ivoks> Brunellus :)
[07:49] <ivoks> Brunellus isn't linux's fault? :)
[07:49] <metalsand> After I've used synaptic to get a documentation
[07:49] <metalsand> How do I read it?
[07:49] <Brunellus> it's my own damn fault for upgrading from warty...
[07:49] <Brunellus> I had everything working already
[07:49] <karsten> metalsand: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[07:50] <Brunellus> upgraded, now some very key things have broken, and I have no idea why
[07:50] <karsten> metalsand: Do yourself a favor and install 'dwww' (it'll install Apache as well).  Then:  http://localhost/dwww/' for docs.
[07:50] <GNAM> incredible escalation of mandriva on distrowatch!
[07:50] <Brunellus> I don't understand this at all.         (Windows has recovered from a serious error - Mcaffee Anti-Virus is missing elemnts or may not have been installed properly... - Uhuh. - lol)
[07:52] <karsten> metalsand: Change of tune ;-)
[07:52] <metalsand> karsten, hahah
[07:52] <ivoks> Brunellus ok... 1000?
[07:52] <karsten> shadeofgrey: WTF are you installing it from scripts then?
[07:53] <metalsand> karsten, so soon, too ;)
[07:53] <karsten> metalsand: It's good lovin'.
[07:53] <metalsand> karsten, wjat
[07:53] <metalsand> bleh
[07:53] <metalsand> What's apache?
[07:53] <shadeofgrey> but the version that comes with ubuntu DOESNT support the new file type they use in 2.0 - and half my novel is in the new format
[07:53] <karsten> metalsand: webserver.
[07:53] <Brunellus> ivoks, correction, 10000.  snte-sensor-mgmt
[07:53] <Brunellus> snet-sensor-mgmt
[07:53] <karsten> metalsand: dwww serves to localhost only by default.  If you're on a LAN, opening it up to that can be helpful.
[07:53] <metalsand> karsten, what could I potentially use it for?
[07:53] <karsten> metalsand: ...all automajickally configurated.
[07:53] <jordanau> metalsand, google
[07:53] <ivoks> Brunellus as I see it, printing ports are closed for u
[07:54] <ivoks> Brunellus firewall?
[07:54] <karsten> metalsand: It gives you web-enabled searchable local docs via 'dwww'.
[07:54] <holycow> ivoks, the runit scripts seem incredibly simple ... neat --> http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html#privoxy
[07:54] <Brunellus> firewall?  where?
[07:54] <Brunellus> I'm not running a firewall (that I know of) on this box
[07:54] <ivoks> holycow but the system doesn't boot :)
[07:54] <Brunellus> nmap of localhost tells me that port 631 is open
[07:54] <Mistiry> ok i get a segmentation fault when i try to play songs in xmms......
[07:54] <holycow> ivoks, thats because you need runit scripts :)
[07:54] <ivoks> Brunellus don't nmap localhost
[07:54] <karsten> metalsand: Here's a publically accessible sample:  http://newton.waglo.com/dwww/
[07:54] <Dethread> Mistiry, did you set it to ESD?
[07:54] <holycow> http://www.pycs.net/lateral/stories/36.html
[07:55] <Mistiry> whats esd?
[07:55] <karsten> metalsand:  http://newton.waglo.com/dwww/menu/all.html
[07:55] <ivoks> Brunellus u need to nmap printer... and if all is closed
[07:55] <karsten> Mistiry: A sound daemon.
[07:55] <anethema> he has it set to ALSA
[07:55] <ivoks> Brunellus then check printer settings
[07:55] <anethema> not esd
[07:55] <Brunellus> ivoks:  there wasn't a firewall between this host and the printserver two weeks ago
[07:55] <Brunellus> *no* settings have changed since then
[07:55] <jacquesmerde> anyone here able to help me with CUPS? i've been folloing the ubuntu FAQ on it, and i've hit a snag
[07:55] <Brunellus> the only change is that I upgraded to hoary
[07:55] <Dethread> Mistiry, in xmms, go to Options -> Preferences, then pick eSound for Output Plugin
[07:56] <karsten> metalsand: ...also manpages and info pages, via Webpage.
[07:56] <heaven> Hello! How can I install MySQL!
[07:56] <Dethread> anethema, wait, he has his whole system set to ALSA?
[07:56] <goo> Does the Linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 package have highmem support?
[07:56] <Dethread> heaven, apt-get install mysql
[07:56] <anethema> alsa is normal
[07:56] <metalsand> karsten, I'm confused... He hosted his own documentation organization tool?
[07:56] <karsten> heaven: aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client
[07:56] <ivoks> Brunellus remind me again, what port is lpr?
[07:56] <Dethread> anethema, ubuntu is set to esd by default I believe
[07:56] <karsten> metalsand: ...and you can too.
[07:56] <Dethread> anethema, and xmms is set to oss by default I believe
[07:56] <heaven> Thank you!
[07:56] <anethema> yes
[07:56] <karsten> metalsand: Most people don't open it up to the outside world.  Among other things, it makes it really easy to figure out what's on the box.
[07:56] <ivoks> Brunellus try telnet printerserver 515
[07:56] <anethema> i told him to try alsa
[07:56] <metalsand> karsten, how often do you browse doc when you're not on your PC?
[07:56] <anethema> i dont think thats the problem
[07:56] <karsten> metalsand: ...I googled 'dwww' and found a link.
[07:56] <Dethread> anethema, ah ok
[07:57] <Mistiry> nope....and it only closes when i load a dir....it will load and play single songs
[07:57] <karsten> metalsand: In a teaching situation, often.  Having it arranged via Web interface is convenient.
[07:57] <anethema> also segfaults when he tryes to open a directory
[07:57] <anethema> no idea why
[07:57] <Dethread> eh, that's bad
[07:57] <metalsand> karsten, how often are you teaching people? :o
[07:57] <karsten> metalsand: Anyhow, you were asking how to read installed docs.  dwww is one way to do that.   CHECK PRINTER!
[07:57] <Brunellus> connection refused.
[07:58] <Mistiry> so no idea then?
[07:58] <Brunellus> ivoks:  I just *did*
[07:58] <ivoks> that means that printer is refussing connectios from u
[07:58] <ivoks> or
[07:58] <karsten> Brunellus: Hrm.  Maybe _chuck_ the printer?
[07:58] <Dethread> Mistiry, sorry...try another multimedia player, I guess
[07:58] <metalsand> karsten, out of curiousity... When are you instructing people about linux docs daily? Is it part of your profession?
[07:58] <Mistiry> reccomend any?
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> whats the command to install java?
[07:58] <ivoks> u have set up firewall to disallow connections to other printer
[07:58] <Dethread> shadeofgrey, there is no specific command for it
[07:58] <metalsand> karsten, Oh.. btw, it says I need switch++ to search
[07:58] <karsten> metalsand: Currently volunteer, been professional.  Looking to swing a gig.
[07:58] <goo> I have a linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 in my Synaptic - would it be safe to use that with my Hoary?
[07:58] <Brunellus> ivoks:  I have set up *nothing*
[07:59] <karsten> metalsand: swish++  It's a search engine.
[07:59] <Brunellus> the only thing that changed was the upgrade to hoary
[07:59] <ivoks> Brunellus this isn't hoary problem...
[07:59] <karsten> metalsand: ...manages the searching component.
[07:59] <Brunellus> then I don't understand what's gone wrong
[07:59] <ivoks> Brunellus check telnet 515 from windows machine
[07:59] <Dethread> shadeofgrey, take a look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:59] <metalsand> karsten, so that's something I need to apt-get install?
[07:59] <karsten> metalsand: s/need to/can if you want to/
[08:00] <anethema> shadeofgrey, look at ubuntuguide
[08:00] <metalsand> Ah, i just found the usr/share/doc tab
[08:00] <anethema> says how to install java
[08:00] <jacquesmerde> how do get my ubuntu machine to actually broadcast its 'client hostname' to the rest of the lan? its a printer server on dhcp and i want to be able to print to it without giving its IP at the time
[08:01] <anethema> samba :D
[08:01] <tonyzbk> hi
[08:01] <tonyzbk>  hi
[08:01] <karsten> jacquesmerde: You don't.  That's a DNS function.  You'd need either static hosts files on each system, or a local DNS server.
[08:01] <karsten> anethema: Yeah, wins is an option.
[08:01] <tonyzbk>
[08:01] <tonyzbk>
[08:01] <Brunellus> OK, I can't even connect to it as a samba host
[08:01] <karsten> tonyzbk: English.
[08:01] <ivoks> jacquesmerde what kind of a setup is that? :)
[08:01] <nevyn> hrm what is involved in getting dhcpd to register hosts in dns correctly?
[08:01] <Mistiry> ok another problem im having......
[08:02] <mak> So, what is the latest, yet very safe version of Openoffice that I can find?
[08:02] <jordanau> tonyzbk, hi
[08:02] <Mistiry> with my monitor
[08:02] <metalsand> mak: Have you searched for openoffice using synaptic?
[08:02] <ivoks> openoffice2
[08:02] <ivoks> all oo.org are safe
[08:02] <ivoks> they won't kill u
[08:02] <Dethread> Mistiry, why don't you type out your whole question into one coherent sentence...it's much easier to follow that way
[08:02] <jacquesmerde> i have an XP system, an archlinux system and an ubuntu system on my LAN. when i go to my router's setup page, and bring up the dhcp client's table, the ubuntu machine is the only one which has its 'client hostname' listed as blank. i set up arch as a complete newb and the hostname is there. how do i do the same for the ubuntu machine?
[08:02] <ivoks> Brunellus works from other computers?
[08:03] <karsten> mak: IMVAO, the one Ubuntu provides you.
[08:03] <anethema> 1.1.3 or somehting seems like the latest version
[08:03] <Brunellus> ivoks:  yes, from the windows box
[08:03] <Brunellus> so it's not blocking *all* connections
[08:03] <heaven> Hello! How can I change root password of MySQL by terminal?
[08:03] <karsten> Mistiry: The <enter> key is *not* a punctuation symbol.
[08:03] <Brunellus> it used to work two weeks ago
[08:03] <jasmuz> Hello all!
[08:03] <mak> 1.1.3 is pretty horrible in powerpoint
[08:03] <ivoks> Brunellus ok, do u have simple switch or normal switch?
[08:03] <mak> at least 1.1.4 does better
[08:03] <Mistiry> Sorry. I am having a problem with my monitor. At the very bottom right above the toolbar it has some garbled display. I have tried different resolutions and refresh rates. Any ideas?
[08:04] <jacquesmerde> karsten, can you explain that static host files thing?
[08:04] <mak> but hoary doesnt have this. I'm only trying upgrade because for some reason it stopped working
[08:04] <Dethread> Mistiry, that sounds very strange. do you maybe have some magnetic device close to the monitor?
[08:04] <holycow> ministry, get a new monitor
[08:05] <jordanau> Mistiry, like a non computer speaker?
[08:05] <karsten> heaven: What dpkg just told you.
[08:05] <Brunellus> ivoks:  define "simple" and "normal"
[08:05] <Mistiry> Nope, it does it anywhere i take it. im on a laptop, and its not the monitor. it was fine with windows xp and it only shows up when the gui comes up, not in the loading stage.
[08:05] <karsten> jacquesmerde: In Ye Olde Days Of Ye Internete, before Al Gore Invented It, all hosts were identified by a hosts file.  That was passed around to all hosts.
[08:05] <jacquesmerde> actually, i added a line on /etc/hosts on my archlinux machine, "<IP_ADDRESS> myhost", is that what i have to do on the ubuntu machine to get it to broadcast it?
[08:05] <jordanau> Mistiry, is it a dell?
[08:05] <ivoks> Brunellus simple is stoopid switch, more like hub... normal switch u can programe to block coneections, NAT etc...
[08:06] <karsten> jacquesmerde: /etc/hosts is a relic of this.  You can statically enter hosts in same and copy that among your systems.
[08:06] <goo> karsten: yeah, those were the days,
[08:06] <ivoks> Brunellus try connecting ur comp to other port
[08:06] <Mistiry> No its a Toshiba Satellite 4090CDS. if i plus an external monitor in the messed up part goes away.
[08:06] <Brunellus> ivoks:  i'm on a wlan
[08:06] <Mistiry> pliug
[08:06] <Mistiry> plug
[08:06] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Then Paul Vixie came along and invented BIND, to better allow us to be rooted.
[08:06] <ivoks> Brunellus wlan?
[08:06] <ivoks> Brunellus is wlan in same subnet as lan?
[08:06] <jordanau> Mistiry, yeah my old dell would do that, it went away when i wiggled the screen
[08:06] <jacquesmerde> karsten, so editing /etc/hosts will fix my problem? how do i effect the change on the ubuntu machine? /etc/rc.d/network restart?
[08:07] <Brunellus> wireless, ivoks.  wlan is the same subment as lan
[08:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Anyway, you can do something like:  '<IP_ADDRESS> funkybox' and copy that to all your systems.
[08:07] <Mistiry> jordanau, i tried all that. dont know what i can do to fix it......
[08:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Dunno what your problem is...
[08:07] <Brunellus> both have <IP_ADDRESS> as their gateway
[08:07] <jacquesmerde> karsten, but its dhcp...
[08:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: ...but you can type 'funckybox' on any system with a hosts file with that entry, and it'll remap to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:07] <ivoks> Brunellus and ur AP, does it have some restrictions on forwarding packages?
[08:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Change it to static.
[08:07] <jordanau> Mistiry, well that most likey a hardware issue, for your own good, you can probably find better help for that elsewhere
[08:08] <Brunellus> it shouldn't.  and *didn't* two weeks ago.  lemme check.
[08:08] <pjo> Hello tonyzbk
[08:08] <karsten> jacquesmerde: LAN or public Internet?
[08:08] <Mistiry> jordanau, where else can i go?
[08:08] <ivoks> Brunellus Brunellus connect ur hoary to lan and try that...
[08:08] <pjo> ivoks advised to ask you, tonyzbk
[08:08] <ivoks> lol
[08:08] <metalsand> Eh, what plugins do I need to play .mp3s?
[08:09] <Dethread> metalsand, consult ubuntuguide.org
[08:09] <metalsand> Good idea.
[08:09] <jordanau> Mistiry, wait it works on windows and not linux?
[08:09] <Mistiry> jordanau, yes. and an external monitor doesnt show it
[08:09] <jordanau> Mistiry, sounds like it might be a driver issue then
[08:09] <jordanau> Mistiry, i cant help though
[08:09] <Brunellus> ivoks:  no lan nic here
[08:09] <jacquesmerde> karsten, LAN, i just want my ubuntu machine to send out its hostname so i can put that host name in "ServerName" in my cupsd.conf
[08:10] <Brunellus> this is a five-year old desktop box
[08:10] <jacquesmerde> karsten, this is just a LAN thing
[08:10] <Mistiry> jordanau, thats what i thought. but wouldnt that mean that the external monitor would have the same problem?
[08:10] <pjo> ivoks  it looks like he does not answer
[08:10] <jordanau> Mistiry, no
[08:10] <karsten> jacquesmerde: I'd do a static IP assignment.
[08:10] <karsten> jacquesmerde: DHCP is for convienience, nothing else.
[08:10] <ivoks> pjo be a man, send him a private message
[08:10] <Brunellus> I just don't get it.  this *worked* under warty, and I can't work out why it's wrong.
[08:10] <pjo> ok
[08:10] <Mistiry> jordanau, guess i can google my laptop and look for drivers? do they even have drivers availiable for linux anywhere?
[08:10] <jordanau> Mistiry, you would have seperate things controlling the monitor and the lcd
[08:11] <ivoks> Brunellus man, i repeat, this isn't OS problem
[08:11] <ivoks> Brunellus sudo iptables -L
[08:11] <jordanau> Mistiry, cant help man wish i could tell you, i'd just google
[08:11] <ivoks> Mistiry what's the problem?
[08:11] <Brunellus> ivoks:  doesn't show me anything
[08:11] <heaven> OK, when I input the following words "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('root') WHERE User='root';" and press the Enter key, but it prompt me that "No Database Selected"!
[08:12] <ivoks> Brunellus not even errors?
[08:12] <Brunellus> nope.  just chains, policies, and nothing
[08:12] <Mistiry> ivoks, at the bottom of my monitor, right above the toolbar, it has a garbled part of the screen.
[08:12] <ivoks> Brunellus sudo -t nat iptables -L
[08:12] <jordanau> ivoks, his laptop monitor is messed up in ubuntu not windows although an external monitor works in both
[08:12] <ivoks> Brunellus sudo iptables -t nat -L
[08:12] <gnuyen> my totem and gstreamer in general are broken, it says it can't find a valid audio sink?
[08:13] <Brunellus> ivoks:  nothing.
[08:13] <ivoks> Mistiry what laptop? what graphic card?
[08:13] <Brunellus> silence.  again, I hate to spoil your fun :p
[08:13] <ivoks> Brunellus then it sure isn't OS problem
[08:13] <Mistiry> ivoks, its a toshiba satellite 4090cds....how do i find out my graphic card? i dont know what kind it is
[08:13] <ivoks> Mistiry lspci | grep VGA
[08:13] <Brunellus> OK. nuclear option time
[08:14] <heaven> karsten: When I input the following words "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('root') WHERE User='root';" and press the Enter key, but it prompt me that "No Database Selected"!
[08:14] <ivoks> Brunellus traceroute ip-of-ur-printer-server
[08:14] <karsten> heaven: Sec.
[08:14] <gnuyen> and my nautilus won't connect to any ssh servers
[08:14] <shadeofgrey> so
[08:14] <karsten> heaven: '-d mysql' I think.
[08:14] <shadeofgrey> for safetys sake is it best to disable the root account?
[08:14] <Mistiry> ivoks, 0000:00:04.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525 (rev 49)
[08:14] <ivoks> wtf is that? :)
[08:15] <metalsand>  karsten, when i download a deb using synaptic, and install it... if it's for drivers do I need to do build kernal modules?
[08:15] <_4strO> metalsand> no
[08:15] <metalsand> hrmmm. I wonder why that's the first thing listed in the documentation
[08:15] <shadeofgrey> should i install oo as a network install?
[08:15] <shadeofgrey> im the only person who will ever use it
[08:16] <Mistiry> ivoks, no clue then?
[08:16] <ivoks> Mistiry did u check out forums?
[08:16] <ivoks> Mistiry couse ur model is on couple of places... like http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26108.html
[08:16] <heaven> karsten: Is it  "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('root') WHERE User='root' -d mysql;"
[08:17] <heaven> karsten: also wrong!
[08:17] <ivoks> heaven what are u doing? updating root passworD?
[08:17] <ivoks> stop guys!
[08:17] <ivoks> there is better and easier way
[08:17] <ivoks> mysqladmin
[08:17] <karsten> heaven: 'use mysql' after typing 'mysql' at shell prompt.
[08:17] <karsten> ivoks: Yes.
[08:17] <karsten> ivoks: Not if you forgot old root.
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <ivoks> how can he change password then if he doesn't knows old one?
[08:18] <heaven> Thank you!^_^
[08:18] <karsten> ivoks: /join #debian & /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password
[08:18] <karsten> ivoks: /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables
[08:18] <ivoks> ah, ok
[08:18] <karsten> heaven: ^^
[08:18] <karsten> heaven: ...then
[08:18] <Mistiry> where is the xorg.conf file located?
[08:19] <shadeofgrey> should i install oo with ./setup -net ???
[08:19] <ivoks> Brunellus alive? :)
[08:19] <_4strO> /etc/X11/
[08:19] <karsten> heaven: ...in another shell, as root:  mysql -u root
[08:19] <Mistiry> ty
[08:19] <karsten> heaven: ...then:  use mysql;
[08:19] <karsten> heaven: ...then the change password command previously given.
[08:19] <stuNNed> anyone else have laptop freezing up after a few minutes?
[08:19] <karsten> heaven: I had to do that myself a few days ago.
[08:19] <metalsand> how do I run "update modutils"
[08:20] <Mistiry> when i dir in the /etc/X11 directory, there is no xorg.conf file.
[08:20] <ivoks> Mistiry http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[08:20] <karsten> metalsand: 'update modutils'
[08:20] <metalsand> hahaha
[08:20] <jbmigel> I was playing d00m3 today on ubuntu and it froze up the computer, I HAD TO REBOOT! like wtf i had to check my partitions to make sure i wasnt still in windows
[08:20] <IIIEars> lol
[08:21] <ivoks> :)
[08:21] <heaven> karsten: When I quit mysql, reenter the mysql -u root -p,then input password, but the password not changed
[08:21] <metalsand> "update command not found", karsten
[08:21] <karsten> metalsand: Actually, it's "update-modules"
[08:21] <karsten> metalsand: my bad.
[08:21] <karsten> heaven: Hrm.
[08:21] <karsten> heaven: You're doing _all_ this as root?
[08:22] <heaven> karsten:yes
[08:23] <heaven> karsten:root can't change password by itself?
[08:23] <karsten> heaven: Se.c
[08:24] <devnull> how can i do to get around that the wx_gtk2 lib wasnt configured with the options i need ?
[08:25] <Mistiry> ok, anyone able to help me with this: (gedit:8226): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[08:25] <Mistiry> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:25] <heaven> What is the word "Se.c" meaning?
[08:25] <karsten> heaven: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html
[08:25] <karsten> heaven: "Sec" == "Second" == "Wait a minute".
[08:26] <heaven> karsten: Sorry! My English is poor!^_^
[08:27] <shadeofgrey> okay so
[08:27] <shadeofgrey> i tar'ed the tarball
[08:27] <Mistiry> how can i edit a conf file?
[08:27] <shadeofgrey> and now the directory is full of rpms
[08:27] <shadeofgrey> so now what?
[08:27] <IIIEars> Will "Breezy"  support the no execute NX bit flag?
[08:28] <_alex> misity: what config file?
[08:28] <ivoks> Brunellus ")
[08:28] <_alex> Mistiry: what config?
[08:28] <Mistiry> XF86Config-4
[08:28] <cdfbr_> Make 50$+ everymonth by searching from http://netbux.org/?r=133576)http://netbux.org/?r=133576
[08:28] <LISP> Mistiry: use vim
[08:28] <karsten> heaven: No problem.      You still have a question?
[08:42] <gorilla_> heh :-)
[08:42] -slak:#ubuntu- You have recieved a private memo from slak.  But,no hurry!^_^ I must have more time to solve these problems, I think!
[08:46] <metalsand> karsten, can ya join flood?
[08:46] <Starve> wow
[08:46] <Starve> jordanau,
[08:46] <Starve> wow.
[08:46] <karsten> metalsand: sure.
[08:46] <ivoks> karsten :)
[08:46] <Starve> he typed /part #ubuntu whatever
[08:46] <ivoks> karsten it will connect u to the getmemo server :)
[08:47] <karsten> jdub: One more.
[08:47] <jdub> sorry everyone, doesn't happen often.
[08:47] <calamari> hi
[08:47] <gorilla_> hi calamari
[08:47] <karsten> jdub: Um.  Nope.
[08:47] <jordanau> karsten, who else?
[08:47] <karsten> jdub: Already gone.
[08:47] <stuNNed> sorry you guys have to waste time on this type of foolishness
[08:47] <jordanau> hi calamari
[08:47] <calamari> there is a program that prints all the plain text inside a binary file.. but I can never remember its name.  Anyone remember? :)
[08:48] <calamari> hi gorilla and jordanau
[08:48] <jdub> calamari: strings
[08:48] <gorilla_> stuNNed, such as waste of bandwidth also..
[08:48] <karsten> jdub: Can Canonical buy a bot for the channel?
[08:48] <calamari> jdub: thanks! :)
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody!
[08:48] <gorilla_> calamari, try strings :-)
[08:48] <stuNNed> hi shadeofgrey
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> your NEVER going to believe what i just found
[08:48] <shadeofgrey> http://www.evolutioncolt.com/pages/documentation/openoffice-2--ubuntu.php
[08:48] <fabbione> karsten: there is very little point in having a bot
[08:48] <karsten> calamari strings is my preferred Powerpoint viewer, and I'm *not* kidding.
[08:48] <holycow> okay i wont
[08:48] <karsten> fabbione: yes, but there's plenty of blunt-force trauma.
[08:48] <IIIEars> i think Lexxan is working on a help bot - not sure how it will be used.
[08:49] <holycow> shadeofgrey, i dont believe it
[08:49] <holycow> -__
[08:49] <thegreedyturtle> ?? test
[08:49] <holycow> -_-
[08:49] <ivoks> shadeofgrey ?
[08:49] <shadeofgrey> they offer a script that downloads openoffice the newest version, converts it to debian packages, installs java, and sets all the permissions for you!
[08:49] <ivoks> shadeofgrey apt-get install openoffice2?
[08:49] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, i think the bot is off
[08:49] <Alfred1881> hey all i need something to make this kind of arrows (vectors)
[08:49] <Alfred1881> http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/atlas/images/big05.gif
[08:49] <thegreedyturtle> yaw
[08:49] <holycow> shadeofgrey, lol what ivoks said
[08:49] <thegreedyturtle> it's called uhelp i think?
[08:49] <shadeofgrey> no
[08:49] <shadeofgrey> see
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> the one you guys have in the repository is 1.9.79
[08:50] <thegreedyturtle> if you want open office 2 beta, it's in one of the standard repositories... maybe backports i don't remember
[08:50] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, [uhelp]
[08:50] <ivoks> shadeofgrey and...?
[08:50] <jsg> its in universe
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> the one im installing is 1.9.96
[08:50] <ivoks> wow
[08:50] <shadeofgrey> theres a huge difference
[08:50] <ivoks> lol
[08:51] <thegreedyturtle> ah
[08:51] <ivoks> u can imagine
[08:51] <jordanau> holycow, if you have any left over, send some to me
[08:51] <thegreedyturtle> does
[08:51] <shadeofgrey> no serioisly
[08:51] <gorilla_> shadeofgrey, and the difference... ?
[08:51] <ivoks> they changed one icon
[08:51] <holycow> jordanau, rofl
[08:51] <holycow> :)
[08:51] <thegreedyturtle> does the word completion work again?
[08:51] <shadeofgrey> the old one DOESNT SUPPORT the new openoffice file format
[08:51] <ivoks> shadeofgrey it does
[08:51] <jacquesmerde> what should my /etc/hosts look like if i want the computers hostname and IP address to be set to the rest of the LAN?
[08:51] <holycow> shadeofgrey, thats kind of a given tho
[08:51] <shadeofgrey> and all my openoffice docs are IN that format
[08:51] <holycow> shadeofgrey, do i need to reinstall your common sense package?
[08:52] <holycow> oh i know you need to be rebooted
[08:52] <gorilla_> whos's the silly one then??
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> whatever.  make fun of me if you want
[08:52] <holycow> shadeofgrey, its a joke :)
[08:52] <jordanau> hey i just noticed that without reboot, my linux clock is getting faster and faster...
[08:52] <ivoks> shadeofgrey 1.x doesn't support new format
[08:53] <ivoks> shadeofgrey 1.9.x does
[08:53] <IIIEars> "Time flies when you are having fun"?
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> the resource i found is still worth putting into the wiki
[08:53] <holycow> jordanau, how are you timing it?
[08:53] <holycow> >_<
[08:53] <jordanau> what do you mean?
[08:53] <ivoks> shadeofgrey u are talking about opendocument
[08:53] <Seveas> IIIEars, and fruit flies like a banana
[08:54] <ivoks> shadeofgrey old 1.1-1.4 series doesn't support it, but all openoffice2 beta's does support it
[08:54] <thegreedyturtle> jordanau, computer clocks are notoriously inaccurate, you have to rclick your clock, select preferences and have it syncronize
[08:54] <ivoks> shadeofgrey opendocument is one of bigest shanges in oo.o2
[08:54] <holycow> it just got ratified by oasis too
[08:54] <ivoks> shadeofgrey that doesn't change in such minor revisions
[08:54] <thegreedyturtle> it's not on as a default because it connects to the internet to sync your clock, and ubuntu is designed not to do that by default, even if it's just a clock
[08:54] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, you know how to do that in flux :D ?
[08:55] <holycow> what ivoks the oasis file format is  astandard, standards change slowly, chances of any changes during minute beta releases are close to nil
[08:55] <thegreedyturtle> fluhwhat?
[08:55] <Razor-X> holycow: hey again
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> well
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> hey, i just removed openoffice.org -- now doing apt-get dist-upgrade says that i need to install it once again. :( how do i check which program still depends on ooo ?
[08:55] <holycow> hola again :)
[08:55] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, fluxbox?
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> 1.9.96 has a way cooler splash screen
[08:55] <Razor-X> I have one final question
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> thats really why i wanted it
[08:55] <ivoks> :))
[08:55] <holycow> shadeofgrey, hahaha :)
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> its TRUE
[08:56] <Razor-X> how does fdisk /mbr patch up a WinXP MBR, even though it was made, originally, for DOS?
[08:56] <holycow> hehe nice :)
[08:56] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, try apt-cache depends openoffice.org
[08:56] <thegreedyturtle> what is fluxbox, a distro? application?
[08:56] <ivoks> kick him
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok. thanks. but how do i compare it to list of avilable updats ?
[08:56] <shmoolik> hello and good morningy:)
[08:56] <Razor-X> thegreedyturtle: a Window Manager
[08:56] <thegreedyturtle> mph... you got me there
[08:56] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, just print the picture out on paper and look at it each time you start open office, hell you can have a brand new splash for everything
[08:57] <ivoks> :)
[08:57] <gorilla_> da_bon_bon, try synatpic :-)
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> gorilla_: ok
[08:57] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, fluxbox is a low resource minimalist window manager
[08:57] <gorilla_> da_bon_bon,  synaptic rather
[08:57] <shmoolik> i m looking for the boust-up OpenOffice start for KDE
[08:57] <shmoolik> does anyone here remmber this package name?
[08:57] <thegreedyturtle> no i know what you are talking about now, but as far as syncinc it's clock... hang on 1 second
[08:57] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon, typing sudo apt-get upgrade should give you a list of available upgrades, if that's what you mean: you could put those in a file and run diff on them
[08:58] <ivoks> shmoolik oooqs-kde
[08:58] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, thanks
[08:58] <xris> (soon to be former?) fedora user...  anyone around who can help me figure out the modprobe.d stuff to import some settings?
[08:58] <shmoolik> thanks ivoks  u a dimond :)
[08:58] <karsten> gorilla_: Don't forget your signal-to-noise ration coupons.
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no. i want to see which program in updates depends on openoffice.org
[08:58] <stuNNed>  /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart will hopefully resync your clock
[08:58] <holycow> ivoks, hey, it almost seems like ... i donno ... you have used debian once before eh?
[08:58] <holycow> just a hunch
[08:58] <holycow> one can never be sure
[08:58] <ivoks> :)
[08:58] <holycow> >_>
[08:58] <karsten> stuNNed: 'start' should do it.  ntpdate isn't a real service.
[08:58] <ivoks> once before
[08:59] <ivoks> :))
[08:59] <karsten> stuNNed: ...and stop any ntp servers first.
[08:59] <thegreedyturtle> ok, look up the ntp package: Network Time Protocol. It runs at a lower level than the x manager, so it should keep your clock sync'd. I'm not quite sure how you'll set it up, since gnome Ubuntu has a little widget for it on the clock
[08:59] <ivoks> holycow i don't see ubuntu being any different than debian :)
[08:59] <thegreedyturtle> you will probably also need the ntpdate package as well
[08:59] <Myrtti> ivoks: then you needa new pair of glasses
[08:59] <karsten> ivoks: There's a few differences.
[09:00] <thoreauputic> the ntpdate package is installed by default
[09:00] <karsten> ivoks: Some cosmetic, some project aims/goals.
[09:00] <ivoks> oh, God...
[09:00] <thegreedyturtle> thoreauputic, t'wasn't for me...
[09:00] <karsten> holycow: We should introduce Canadians to the sport of nerf clubbing.
[09:00] <holycow> karsten, hehe :)
[09:01] <holycow> karsten, well it could be mildly entertaining
[09:01] <thoreauputic> thegreedyturtle, there's a client and a server: the client is ntpdate and should be installed by default
[09:01] <karsten> holycow: So did you hear the joke about ...
[09:01] <gorilla_> on a good note, debian sarge is frozen with the aim for a end of may release..
[09:01] <karsten> holycow: ... this fur seal walked into a club ...
[09:01] <IIIEars> << tried a dozen distros - only ubuntu worked without intensive tweaking.
[09:01] <Myrtti> gorilla_: so the hell has endeed frozen
[09:01] <ivoks> Myrtti sorry, i don't use glasses at all
[09:01] <thoreauputic> thegreedyturtle, sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start or restart should sync your clock
[09:01] <karsten> gorilla_: Did they name the year | decade | century | millennium?
[09:01] <Myrtti> ivoks: my point exactly
[09:01] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, yeah i have them already and they arent working correctly i am reading man as we speak
[09:02] <gorilla_> karsten: this year... amd64 has stablised..
[09:02] <ivoks> Myrtti and u know what about holycow and I talked about?
[09:02] <holycow> heh
[09:02] <holycow> i'm wearing a fur seal right now
[09:02] <holycow> its not dead yet
[09:02] <thegreedyturtle> jordanau, talk to thoreauputic, seems he knows what's up with it, i've never worked with it myself
[09:02] <Myrtti> about debian and ubuntu differences
[09:02] <Myrtti> and how they arent't that different to you
[09:02] <ivoks> Myrtti well, check again
[09:02] <ivoks> ah..
[09:02] <thegreedyturtle> thoreauputic,  jordanau is trying to get his clock sync'd in the fluxbox windows manager
[09:02] <ivoks> u need some sense for humor... and see couple of simles and irony
[09:03] <Razor-X> holycow: how does fdisk /mbr work on a non-DOS distro, if it was originially designed for DOS?
[09:03] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, just got it done
[09:03] <jordanau> thanks thoreauputic
[09:03] <thegreedyturtle> sounds good to me :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> thegreedyturtle, jordanau , typing that command in a terminal should work regardles of window manager/ desktop
[09:03] <holycow> Razor-X, fdisk just writes the partition table, it has nothing to do with dos
[09:03] <jordanau> now i just need to get it to sync regularly
[09:04] <thegreedyturtle> i gots to get some Z units
[09:04] <ivoks> well... time to go to work...
[09:04] <Razor-X> holycow: but, doesen't fdisk /mbr default to a Windows MBR?
[09:04] <ivoks> i have 70 debians waiting for me :)
[09:04] <jacquesmerde> what should my /etc/hosts look like if i want the computers hostname and IP address to be set to the rest of the LAN?
[09:04] <ivoks> Razor-X there is no such thing as windows mbr
[09:04] <IIIEars> Razor-X the first 446 bytes on a disk describe a disk
[09:04] <ivoks> Razor-X mbr is only on disk
[09:05] <jordanau> thoreauputic, yeah we're all good here
[09:05] <holycow> fdisk not sure about the specifics Razor-X
[09:05] <jordanau> i havent restarted in about two weeks and it was 20 minutes off!!!
[09:05] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, your quaetion doesn't seem to make sense...
[09:05] <thoreauputic> *question
[09:05] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, this is what bothers me
[09:06] <ivoks> english, please
[09:06] <jordanau> good night peoples
[09:06] <stuNNed> night jordanau
[09:06] <ivoks> peoples :)
[09:06] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, the other computers on my LAN don't seem to be able to identify my ubuntu machine by its hostname
[09:06] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, you can only set a machine's IP to one value, surely? A t a time anyway
[09:06] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u need DNS
[09:07] <jacquesmerde> well, its on DHCP
[09:07] <ivoks> jacquesmerde so what?
[09:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Dude.  Static.
[09:07] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u steel need dns
[09:07] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, you need your computer's name and IP in the other machines' /etc/hosts
[09:07] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, how do i use this DNS mastery? why doesnt ubuntu do it be default? archlinux does, and it does NOTHING for me by default
[09:07] <ivoks> jacquesmerde u are wrong, man
[09:07] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Ubuntu aims for desktop.  It doesn't install servers by default.
[09:08] <karsten> jacquesmerde: aptitude install bind9 and RTFM.
[09:08] <ivoks> jacquesmerde no software knows what computers are on network
[09:08] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thats hard if its DHCP though
[09:08] <karsten> jacquesmerde: The usual DHCP solution is to provide DNS for IPs, hand them out arbitrarially, and the result is that the hostname doesn't tie to any one computer.
[09:08] <jacquesmerde> ivoks, what i plug in <IP_ADDRESS> into my browser and look at my routers setup, i can click on "dhcp table" and it shows me a "client hostname" for every computer connected EXCEPT for the ubuntu machine
[09:09] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Which *still* isn't going to solve your problem.
[09:09] <IIIEars> won't a router referee DHCP for a LAN?
[09:09] <fdr> hello
[09:09] <karsten> jacquesmerde: Hint, and I'm going to whisper this in your ear
[09:09] <ivoks> jacquesmerde ?
[09:09] <cyphase> jacquesmerde, i've had that problem as well. i have to hand set it
[09:09] <karsten> jacquesmerde: YOU DON'T NEED TO USE DHCP FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND IN FACT, YOU DON'T *WANT* TO USE DHCP FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.    Last clue, dude.
[09:10] <c-sic> hi:)
[09:10] <cyphase> jacquesmerde, i had to hand set a hostname. the IP address was already set
[09:10] <jacquesmerde> karsten, yeah, i figure that's my contingency plan. but somehow what i'm wanting to do seems so basic i feel i shouldnt need to
[09:10] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde, static IP is quite easy for a small LAN
[09:10] <IIIEars> ah
[09:10] <ivoks> he's trying to say that all windows machines provide their hostname to dhcp server
[09:10] <ivoks> but ubuntu doesn't
[09:11] <ivoks> i guess
[09:11] <ivoks> :)
[09:11] <karsten> ivoks: That's WINS, not DNS.
[09:11] <jowe> I'm having trouble getting the driver working for my wireless...:( any ideas? I'm not sure if I found the real driver for windows. I guess I need the bcmwl5.inf one.
[09:11] <jacquesmerde> ok, let me put my question in one final form: what are the keywords related to what i'm trying to understand here, so i can google and RTFM
[09:11] <ivoks> karsten no, no...
[09:11] <karsten> jowe: Talk to metalsand
[09:11] <karsten> ivoks: yes yes yes.
[09:11] <ivoks> karsten when u bring up dhcp server
[09:11] <jacquesmerde> jowe, my computer uses that .inf
[09:11] <ivoks> karsten and it starts to give leases
[09:11] <karsten> ivoks: ... Default Windows name resolution order is WINS, then BIND.
[09:11] <ivoks> karsten usually it writes something like:
[09:11] <karsten> ivoks: Your host announces itself to the network via WINS.  That's how it's found.
[09:11] <jowe> jacquesmerde - do you know where I can download the .inf?
[09:12] <Fahim> morgning.. somebody here who speaks german?
[09:12] <karsten> Fahim: Nur ein bisschen.
[09:12] <karsten> Fahim: Velleicht #debian-de ?
[09:12] <freewoody> Hi all
[09:12] <thoreauputic> Fahim,  /join #ubuntu-de
[09:12] <ivoks> karsten May  6 09:11:59 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> from 00:11:2f:7e:f5:03 (demosi1) via eth1
[09:12] <Fahim> :)
[09:12] <freewoody> How do I setup mrtg in Ubuntu to monitor my network connections
[09:12] <Fahim> thx but they are all sleeping there :)
[09:12] <karsten> Fahim: ...oder #ubunt-de
[09:12] <jacquesmerde> jowe, no! i had to get someone on this channel to email it to me