[06:23] <zenwhen> #coolchannel is the cool channel where mike8901 spams swatikas
[06:23] <mgoose> I think gloin would be more knowledgable
[06:23] <zenwhen> apparently
[06:23] <mgoose> Xenguy, will do
[06:23] <Xenguy> zenwhen: ugh
[06:23] <gloin> huh?
[06:24] <gloin> me knowledgable?
[06:24] <zenwhen> Xenguy, he first was so kind to spam the channel name in here.
[06:24] <gloin> uhh...
[06:24] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen can I join?
[06:24] <zenwhen> Im there alone now but sure.
[06:24] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_:  "kind of acces ubuntu and debian give to the sites"?? (which sites?)
[06:24] <Rene_S> I go away for a min and people are discussing Swastika's ?
[06:24] <zenwhen> ;)
[06:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: repositories
[06:24] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen lol you are? being stoked by mike8901 and his swastikas?
[06:25] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: so you mean ways of accessing the repositories, or what?
[06:25] <zenwhen> yes D:
[06:25] <zenwhen> He wants to hitler me.
[06:25] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S you have no idea.. we went from millionairs to Bill Gates to cool to swastikas
[06:25] <lamont> GotD0t: I'm not an X expert...
[06:26] <zenwhen> The Ubuntu forums slowed down a lot when the server started crashing all the time.
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> if we are going to do history
[06:26] <zenwhen> Has anyone seen "The Day After Tomorrow"
[06:27] <zenwhen> That movie is freaking scary.
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> I just did zenwhen.. awesome
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen thin story but skip the people... :)
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: I mean why mgoose said that debian and ubuntu were safer than gentoo in the downloand and installing software point
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> I liked the part where the flag froze
[06:27] <bigbubba> can someone recommend a good desktop enviroment please? fluxbox seems to lightweight, gnome seems like a resource hog
[06:27] <zenwhen> I didnt. Poor flag. :(
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: Gnome?
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen the flag will survive lol.. it just defrosts
[06:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: kde?
[06:28] <mgoose> wait a minute, i dont remember saying that, lol
[06:28] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: the swastika symbol has definitely gotten around (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> Xenguy.. used and abused :)
[06:28] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: nod
[06:28] <mgoose> the swastika actually came from an indian religious thing
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> Hindi
[06:28] <bigbubba> is kde better? i just notice that after about 3 hours of using gnome my computer goes to the dogs
[06:28] <egon_spengler> bigbubba try fvwm2, windowmaker, afterstep, or icewm
[06:28] <bigbubba> everything is slow
[06:29] <zenwhen> KDE is most certainly not "better" in any sense of the word.
[06:29] <mgoose> Tsjoklat, hindi is just a language
[06:29] <bigbubba> ok out of those which one do you recommend for a newbie?
[06:29] <mgoose> KDE
[06:29] <zenwhen> Some people may find is subjectively "pretier" but some people also liked the movie "Fast and the Furious".
[06:29] <zenwhen> it*
[06:29] <egon_spengler> bigbubba, Icewm then
[06:29] <bigbubba> ok
[06:30] <bigbubba> thanks will check it out
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> Hindu... Buddhism.. you get the idea
[06:30] <bigbubba> is there a deb distro on it?
[06:30] <Xenguy> bigbubba: icewm (or windowmaker if you like quirky but effective desktops :-)
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: I dont like KDE personally but I use Kdeveloper3 here so dunno
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: a debian package you mean?
[06:30] <bigbubba> basically i want something simple with a little bit of eye candy
[06:30] <zenwhen> XFCE
[06:30] <bigbubba> package distro whtaever you get the idea :)
[06:30] <novaburst> let me just say that even though I liked the movie "Fast and the Furious", I like and use Gnome ;)
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you use the mouse?
[06:31] <Xenguy> bigbubba: right, XFCE is another good one
[06:31] <bigbubba> i'm using that
[06:31] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, it uses me.
[06:31] <mgoose> Tsjoklat, well actually I wouldnt, since hindi by itself doesnt imply or equate with any particular religion or any religious theme at all
[06:31] <bigbubba> but i don't like how the panel is
[06:31] <mgoose> but thats just me
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you like it?
[06:31] <Quest-Master> Hindu does though. ;)
[06:31] <bigbubba> and how its a pain to get the sound slider to work
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> mgoose... need more salt? or more slugs?
[06:31] <mgoose> one more thing: buddhists would probably not speak hindi
[06:31] <zenwhen> Mouse, yes. I'm fond of it.
[06:31] <bigbubba> let me try icewm and thanks
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> mgoose no I don't speak Hindi
[06:31] <s0cks> Hey. Who here owns PDAs?
[06:32] <rexiboy> helo bros an sis
[06:32] <zenwhen> I have two monitors and run two x servers, and things would get hairy without it.
[06:32] <mgoose> um ok, are you buddhist
[06:32] <mgoose> lol
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> shinto-buddhist mgoose
[06:32] <mgoose> ah ok
[06:32] <zenwhen> Oh, really?
[06:33] <calamari> well, now I have a main menu, but I'm not sure how to get the stuff from the Computer menu and put it in a Setup foldere that I created
[06:33] <mgoose> dammit how do i strech that panel in XFce out and add the taskbar to it
[06:33] <zenwhen> I dont know, I dont like XFCE, but its sorta pretty and really light.
[06:33] <zenwhen> I love Gnome. :))
[06:33] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen but you are using it? even though you don't like it?
[06:33] <Quest-Master> Gnome is <3
[06:33] <gloin> negative
[06:33] <gloin> KDE > *
[06:34] <zenwhen> I use Gnome.
[06:34] <zenwhen> what
[06:34] <Quest-Master> I used KDE for many months.
[06:34] <zenwhen> BLASPHEMY
[06:34] <Quest-Master> And trust me.
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Gnome IS better.
[06:34] <gloin> nope
[06:34] <Quest-Master> :)
[06:34] <gloin> I manage LTSP servers
[06:34] <zenwhen> Subjectively, yes.
[06:34] <Quest-Master> KDE is good for people migrating from Windows.
[06:34] <gloin> KDE has something there that Gnome does not
[06:34] <zenwhen> gloin, what you manage does not make your DE choice more important.
[06:34] <mgoose> I like KDE much better, easier to get around and makes more sense imo
[06:34] <zenwhen> lol
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> KDE looks fab but works donkey balls
[06:34] <Quest-Master> After a while, they should get accustomed to Gnome
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Well.
[06:34] <gloin> actually zenwhen for what I do, I need the functionality in KDE
[06:34] <Quest-Master> I agree with mgoose
[06:35] <gloin> ever hear of the Kiosk API?
[06:35] <gloin> it's amazingly useful
[06:35] <zenwhen> KDE makes more sense if you can ween yourself off of Windows habits.
[06:35] <gloin> and gnome does not have it
[06:35] <Quest-Master> Does Ubuntuu even work with KDE?
[06:35] <gloin> Quest-Master: I'm using KDE on ubuntu right now =]
[06:35] <LeeColleton> How do I cause non-interactive ssh to display the output of a program on the remote machine?
[06:35] <mgoose> Quest-Master we're all entitled to our wrong opinions :)
[06:35] <mgoose> lol
[06:35] <Quest-Master> Gnome runs so much faster and smoother though than KDE
[06:35] <zenwhen> This is a bad convo.
[06:35] <gloin> it also looks and acts like Windows 95
[06:35] <gloin> Hmm
[06:36] <Tsjoklat> flame wars
[06:36] <Quest-Master> .. lol
[06:36] <rushibhai> i'm happy as long as i can open a terminal with screen :-) who cares about kde/gnome
[06:36] <zenwhen> Really it is.
[06:36] <gloin> open a new window for each folder that gets clicked on
[06:36] <gloin> great idea!
[06:36] <zenwhen> I shouldnt be in it.
[06:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> Quest-Master: It WAS true once now I have my doubts
[06:36] <calamari> coming from windows 98, I have to say I like Gnome a lot better than I ever liked KDE
[06:36] <zenwhen> Because Ill be immature and Tsjoklat will hit me.
[06:36] <lamont> rushibhai: I used fvwm until jdub made me switch to gnome.
[06:36] <zenwhen> D:
[06:36] <lamont> who needs session managers, anyway?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Well.
[06:36] <Quest-Master> I'm on a 2.2Ghz Celeron.
[06:36] <linux_galore> to be honest gnome and kde speeds sem pretty much the same to me
[06:36] <linux_galore> seem*
[06:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> linux_galore: amem
[06:36] <rushibhai> lamont: i use gnome because its pre-installed.
[06:37] <egon_spengler> Let's here it for NetBSD and console
[06:37] <calamari> but, right now I have extra menus that I can't seem to get rid of hehe
[06:37] <Quest-Master> I don't know about you guys, but I can tell you honestly that Gnome runs faster than KDE.
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[06:37] <Quest-Master> By the way.
[06:37] <zenwhen> Abuse!
[06:37] <mgoose> well thats not such a great argument rushibhai
[06:37] <lamont> rushibhai: I switched so that I could better help our users... :-)
[06:37] <Quest-Master> I have a 5 year old computer in the basement that runs Gnome pretty well, and barely runs KDE.
[06:37] <Tsjoklat> I like to abuse men zenwhen you know that
[06:37] <gloin> I use KDE because I like it better and think the Gnome UI guidelines are probably the stupidest set of hare-brained "concepts" I've ever seen.
[06:37] <mgoose> Quest-Master, maybe only with Ubuntu, they probably patch it up
[06:37] <gloin> seriously
[06:37] <lamont> although I've been known to just sit there and hit alt-f4 for a while after logging in on my laptop, just to get to a sane state.. But that's a special situation
[06:37] <rushibhai> lamont, you part of the staff? i'm new to this chat and ubuntu (am formerly debian)
[06:37] <linux_galore> Quest-Master: lol you do know KDE has a pre loader for its base libs and the file amanger so things open under 1 second for me
[06:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> well guys that was a nice chat but I gtg night everybody!
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> part of the staff... LOL
[06:38] <lamont> rushibhai: I'm canonical staff, yes
[06:38] <gloin> someone explain to me why the "Open each folder in a new window" concept was anything short of utter idiocy
[06:38] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, thats why you're my #1 #ubuntu girl. (it helps that you are the only one)
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> lamont juse sent us two emails today
[06:38] <mgoose> cya newbie
[06:38] <Quest-Master> gloin: I must agree with you there
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen and hypia being number two?
[06:38] <lamont> Tsjoklat: I did
[06:38] <Quest-Master> I want to find a way to disable that
[06:38] <gloin> that was fucking stupid
[06:38] <lamont> ?
[06:38] <rexiboy> any1 knows about a good keylogger for ubuntu64?
[06:38] <Quest-Master> It sucks.
[06:38] <gloin> sorry bout the language
[06:38] <gloin> Quest-Master: you can easily disable it
[06:38] <zenwhen> Oh?
[06:38] <rushibhai> lamont. its cool to have staff people hanging out on irc. cool! like your distro so far..
[06:38] <mgoose> lol gloin, yea man what the hell is that
[06:38] <Quest-Master> You're right about that.
[06:38] <zenwhen> I had no clue.
[06:38] <Quest-Master> How?
[06:38] <gloin> err
[06:38] <gloin> there's a way
[06:38] <mgoose> i was like how can somebody actually use this pos
[06:38] <gloin> it's kind of non-intuitive to get to
[06:39] <lamont> rushibhai: there tend to be several developers in the channel at any given time..
[06:39] <zenwhen> Yes
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Btw, how do you actually install KDE on Ubuntu?
[06:39] <gloin> somewhere there's a setting that basically says use nautilus in browser mode
[06:39] <zenwhen> Kamion is a dev too
[06:39] <mgoose> apt-get install kde, though im sure something is bound to be broken
[06:39] <gloin> Quest-Master: enable universe and multiverse in your repositories and search for KDE
[06:39] <gloin> it's easy
[06:39] <gloin> mgoose: negative
[06:39] <mgoose> im doing it right now, so ill let you know
[06:39] <gloin> it works well
[06:39] <mgoose> oh ok
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Only KDE is needed?
[06:39] <mgoose> good to know :)
[06:39] <lamont> gloin: kde is all in universe
[06:39] <mgoose> apt = great
[06:39] <gloin> Quest-Master: look at what comes up when you search for KDE and pick what you want =]
[06:40] <mgoose> will install all deps, quest
[06:40] <zenwhen> gloin, Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> File Management -> Behaviour -> Always open in browser windows.
[06:40] <rexiboy> lamont, any keylogger for U64?
[06:40] <Quest-Master> Ack, needs 416MB
[06:40] <gloin> thanks zenwhen
[06:40] <lamont> rexiboy: dunno
[06:40] <gloin> yean Quest-Master you don't want to do it over dialup
[06:40] <Quest-Master> I'll do it anyhow.
[06:41] <Quest-Master> 3mbps cable = :)
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> I am happy flappy back on warty
[06:41] <zenwhen> I am also on warty.
[06:41] <rushibhai> lamnnt: nice.. that's super! keep up the good work. and please try to move to firefox 1 sometime before the next release, so that one doesn't have to install *anything* from outside the apt sources ;)
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> hoary + UTF is not for me
[06:41] <zenwhen> AND DOWNLOADED IT OVER DIALUP, so my "<3 ubuntu" is bigger than yours. >:o
[06:41] <lamont> rushibhai: we dropped back because ffox 1 wasn't ready.  I think it's there in hoary already
[06:42] <gloin> firefox 1 is in hoary
[06:42] <lamont> web/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date]
[06:42] <gloin> and I disagree with the statement that it isn't ready
[06:42] <gloin> it's fine
[06:42] <gloin> unless there is a "not ready" that isn't obvious to me
[06:42] <rushibhai> lamont: i know the story, its just my 2 cents..
[06:42] <Quest-Master> How much more bandwidth do you think I'd get if I was to mirror the CD ISOs for Ubuntu?
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> I d/l it over dial-up too! with the three porn downloaders remember!
[06:43] <zenwhen> My Ubuntu install is tainted with bits an pieces of debian unstable though. Ill go back to pure ubuntu when Hoary is done.
[06:43] <lamont> gloin: known to randomly crash when visiting certain web sites.
[06:43] <gloin> lamont: so is IE
[06:43] <lamont> gloin: yeah, but 0.93 didn't crash
[06:43] <linux_galore> digs around the internet and finds crossover-standard_4[1] .0-1_i386.deb
[06:43] <Tsjoklat> I went to epiphany, I hope to get rid of Mozilla all together
[06:43] <Quest-Master> Do any of you guys use BitTorrent? Azureus, namely?
[06:44] <gloin> Quest-Master: yes
[06:44] <gloin> why
[06:44] <rushibhai> zenwhen: i moved from unstable to ubuntu because this one is about as recent as it gets without dist-upgrading daily :)
[06:44] <gloin> oh speaking of which
[06:44] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to install the Java JRE
[06:44] <Quest-Master> So I can run Azureus
[06:44] <Quest-Master> It isn't working though
[06:44] <gloin> Quest-Master: did you download the current one?
[06:44] <gloin> is important
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[06:44] <calamari> lamont: is there a way to move the setup stuff out of the Computer menu into the Applications menu?
[06:44] <gloin> there's a bad security vuln
[06:44] <gloin> anyhow
[06:44] <gloin> sudo ./jr3blahblah
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[06:44] <gloin> it will make a directory in cwd
[06:44] <deFrysk> Quest-Master, azureus runs fine here
[06:44] <gloin> sudo mv j2reblah /usr
[06:44] <Quest-Master> It's supposed to install it under /usr/java right?
[06:44] <lamont> calamari: nfc, but I believe the answer is "you don't want to do that, it hurts".  Or something like that. :-)
[06:45] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[06:45] <gloin> then sudo ln -s /usr/j2reblah/bin/* /usr/bin
[06:45] <Quest-Master> :)
[06:45] <Quest-Master> I see.
[06:45] <calamari> lamont:  will it break things?
[06:45] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[06:45] <lamont> calamari: dunno
[06:46] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks :)
[06:46] <zenwhen_> My dialup ISP boots me once every twelve hours.
[06:46] <Quest-Master> Ah, thanks Treenaks.
[06:46] <FSK405C> I must admit ubuntu is fairly impressive :)
[06:46] <zenwhen_> it just happened.
[06:46] <lamont> editing gnome menus is specifically not something that gnome wants you to do
[06:46] <calamari> lamont: I'd love to see an option to have all the setup stuff in a "Control Panel", accessible from either main menu or applications
[06:46] <calamari> lamont: oic
[06:46] <gloin> lamont: that's one of the many many lame things about gnome
[06:46] <zenwhen> gnome-control-center
[06:46] <linux_galore> I like the dual CD package for Ubuntu (nearly typed gentoo lol) you can take the live CD to your local PC seller and see if it works before you buy
[06:46] <gloin> and the gnome-control-center reminds me oh-so-much of the Windows Registry
[06:47] <calamari> gloin: yeah it has that feel, doesn't it
[06:47] <gloin> it's horrid
[06:47] <zenwhen> more like control panel
[06:47] <gloin> I think gnome needs a real leadership overhaul
[06:47] <lamont> gloin: the target is the end user, not the technocrat.  Although it's nice to have happy technocrats too
[06:47] <zenwhen> I dont like kcontrol
[06:47] <zenwhen> I think gnome needs to keep ging the direction its headed.
[06:47] <zenwhen> going*
[06:47] <linux_galore> calamari: lol port mandrake control panel to Ubuntu its all gtk based
[06:47] <gloin> lamont: can you explain the "open-each-folder-in-new-window" so-called feature in the current Gnome?  I haven't seen a cogent argument for why they pulled that number.
[06:48] <gloin> it really feels archaic
[06:48] <zenwhen> I knwo a lot of people who prefer it.
[06:48] <FSK405C> gloin: Some people like that
[06:48] <Quest-Master> I think Gnome needs a better feeling of where the user knows what they are doing and don't feel lonely.
[06:48] <Rene_S> I could lead Gnome, however I tend to be lazy so It would end up looking like KDE
[06:48] <zenwhen> Its very clasic mac like.
[06:48] <calamari> linux_galore: I like the things on the COmputer menu.. I just wish there didn't have to be a computer menu.. I like my screen real estate :)
[06:48] <FSK405C> there is a similar feature in os x Ive never heard you cry about it :P
[06:48] <lamont> gloin: you're assuming that I actually use nautilus
[06:48] <gloin> heh
[06:48] <rushibhai> gloin: you can middle-double-click to open in the same window.
[06:48] <linux_galore> isnt there something about moving Yast to Ubuntu now its GPL
[06:48] <gloin> zenwhen: yeah, it's very windows 3.1 like
[06:48] <Quest-Master> :o
[06:49] <zenwhen> gloin, whos to say that old is wrong
[06:49] <deFrysk> yast ? omg :s
[06:49] <Quest-Master> YaST is cool.
[06:49] <gloin> zenwhen: old is wrong when it clutters up your desktop with a plethora of windows
[06:49] <Quest-Master> But apt-get is better ;)
[06:49] <linux_galore> Ubuntu is nice but it really needs a nice central control center
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> yast: gives me YEAST
[06:49] <zenwhen> its wrong when you dont like it
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> brb
[06:49] <zenwhen> many people do
[06:49] <zenwhen> yeast O:
[06:49] <gloin> zenwhen: do you like it?
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Also.
[06:49] <zenwhen> Personally, no.
[06:49] <zenwhen> But I changed it.
[06:50] <jdub> lamont: harsh
[06:50] <Quest-Master> I think the Ubuntu developers should make an installer like the one Suse has.
[06:50] <zenwhen> I dont want Gnome to bend around me.
[06:50] <Quest-Master> All nice looking and user-friendly.
[06:50] <gloin> see?
[06:50] <deFrysk> suse ? omg :s
[06:50] <Quest-Master> Not command-line looking.
[06:50] <gloin> lol
[06:50] <calamari> lamont: btw, Ubuntu is the best linux distro I've ever used.  You guys are doing an awesome job.. keep it up :)
[06:50] <zenwhen> I like the sarge installer.
[06:50] <lamont> calamari: thanks
[06:50] <gloin> agreed, calamari
[06:50] <Quest-Master> Well, I think that'd be better for new users
[06:50] <mgoose> I like the command like look, personally
[06:50] <gloin> there's a reason I'm here, griping about Gnome =]
[06:50] <Quest-Master> I liked the installer a lot though
[06:50] <gloin> the installer is easy enough to deal with
[06:50] <linux_galore> suse lol  I prefere the Mandrake installer personally...nice pretty doesnt ask much
[06:50] <zenwhen> The ubuntu expert setup is perfect.
[06:51] <deFrysk> mandrake ? geez
[06:51] <gloin> and doesn't require a 300-meg ramdisk to be setup first
[06:51] <Quest-Master> lamont: You develop for Ubuntu it seems?
[06:51] <zenwhen> I couldnt ask for anything more and certainly dont need a mouse to set up an OS.
[06:51] <lamont> Quest-Master: I build stuff and fix bugs
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Awesome. :)
[06:51] <lamont> "loose canon about town" :-)
[06:51] <mgoose> agh dammit unstable doesnt have kde 3.3.1
[06:51] <gloin> lol
[06:51] <mgoose> it installed the inferior 3.2.3
[06:51] <mgoose> lol
[06:51] <deFrysk> kde sucks
[06:51] <zenwhen> you said it
[06:51] <gloin> deFrysk: eat my shorts
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Let's not go back to that. :P
[06:52] <zenwhen> XD
[06:52] <deFrysk> gloin, they suck too
[06:52] <gloin> gnome is for people who thought windows 3.1 was the Best OS Ever
[06:52] <linux_galore> yeah kde 3.2.x is horrible for me I just download kde 3.3.1 and compiled it
[06:52] <zenwhen> gloin, now see
[06:52] <zenwhen> that was a personal attack
[06:52] <zenwhen> bad boy
[06:52] <gloin> oops
[06:52] <gloin> fair 'nough
[06:52] <mgoose> damn galore, how long did that take ya/
[06:52] <gloin> deFrysk: sorry I told you to eat my shorts
[06:52] <gloin> better/
[06:52] <gloin> ?
[06:52] <mgoose> i was just plannin on adding some apt sources and doing it again
[06:52] <mgoose> lol
[06:52] <zenwhen> oh yeah
[06:52] <linux_galore> mgoose: not long I have my own cluster
[06:53] <mgoose> oh cool
[06:53] <gloin> lamont: who does the kde packages for ubuntu?
[06:53] <Rene_S> After 5 weeks of putzing around I think I am starting to enjoy gnome
[06:53] <linux_galore> mgoose: just read the logs total build time is 57 min
[06:53] <lamont> gloin: the community
[06:53] <deFrysk> the new nautilus in hoary can be simply set to browser in settings of nautilus itself now btw
[06:53] <mgoose> my one friend does cool stuff with all the boxes he has lying around, he liks splits up the compile among the different machines and sends it back or something
[06:53] <mgoose> si that the same thing you do?
[06:53] <lamont> gloin: having said that, I was the one that battered kde into building as well as it did for warty.
[06:53] <gloin> deFrysk: that should be default
[06:54] <zenwhen> KDE isnt an Ubuntu Dev thing.
[06:54] <deFrysk> gloin, thats an opinion, not a fact
[06:54] <zenwhen> gloin, thats opnion
[06:54] <zenwhen> oop
[06:54] <zenwhen> s
[06:54] <gloin> yeah yeah
[06:54] <Quest-Master> The reason I stumbled upon Ubuntu because I was looking for a Gnome friendly distro.
[06:54] <Quest-Master> :D
[06:54] <gloin> it's an opinion that Many Share
[06:54] <lamont> zenwhen: it falls within ubuntu-developers, but it's not funded by canonical.
[06:54] <zenwhen> oh cool
[06:54] <linux_galore> mgoose: yeah I usually dont have the cluster running but now and again I decide one machine is not enough so I power the cluster up
[06:54] <mgoose> lamont is kde 3.3.1 even in the ubuntu repo anywhere?
[06:54] <deFrysk> nautilus starting up as browser needs more time/resourses
[06:54] <gloin> Anyone I've ever talked to who uses Gnome for the first time says "WTF is this crap with all the windows opening?"
[06:55] <zenwhen> I really want to see KDE stay far away from my precious Ubuntu.
[06:55] <zenwhen> :D
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> hello all
[06:55] <gloin> zenwhen: no chance
[06:55] <deFrysk> so spatial is still faste
[06:55] <lamont> Quest-Master: universe/kde/kdelibs_4:3.3.1-1: Installed [optional:out-of-date]
[06:55] <FSK405C> I'll second gloin's statement on the multiple window junk
[06:55] <lamont> sigh. mgoose ^^
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> I have a question if someone is willing
[06:55] <Quest-Master> lamont: ?
[06:55] <zenwhen> gloin, the poll on the forums showed that most people there supported my line of thinking.
[06:55] <FSK405C> heya ralph :)
[06:55] <lamont> Quest-Master: fat fingers
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> I had warty 4.10, and all went well with the basic install
[06:55] <mgoose> whoops, did you just answer that? sry
[06:55] <gloin> deFrysk: it's a mess, though, and reminds people of operating systems that they knew to be unstable, and generally horrid
[06:55] <LeeColleton> omg it's Ralph Nader!
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> but I get no consoles when pressing ctrl-alt-f1-f6
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> is this a known issue?
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol lee
[06:56] <gloin> ralph has a serious question
[06:56] <zenwhen> Hopefully Ubuntu can stay a nice focused gnome-based distro.
[06:56] <deFrysk> gloin, works fine for me
[06:56] <lamont> Quest-Master: was going to say that yes, ubuntu is rather gnome-friendly (er, gnome-agressive?? supportive??)
[06:56] <mgoose> ppl type too fast for me to stay up with at 1:00am
[06:56] <linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu is going fine here some minor hacks here and there and download a few odds and ends from universe and Im happy
[06:56] <lamont> then I got distracted..
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> yes but I'm fine with joking around
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> has anyone heard of this problem before?
[06:56] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: should just work
[06:56] <Quest-Master> lamont: Ubuntu is the finest distro I've used yet. :)
[06:56] <gloin> ralph, did you check to be sure that you don't have a special keyboard feature like "F-Key Lock" enabled?  My keyboard has one of those and it gets me occasionally.
[06:56] <zenwhen> Yeah
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> that's what my buddy told me
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> he suggested I upgrade to hoary, which I did
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> still same problem
[06:57] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: and ctl-alt-f7 should get you back to X
[06:57] <zenwhen> Ive never seen that on any distro.
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> I have a pretty generic keyboard gloin
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> and it always worked fine under SuSE
[06:57] <LeeColleton> [SPD] RalphNader: /etc/inittab controls which terminals are active
[06:57] <linux_galore> is there a SMP kernel option for Ubuntu on the servers ....
[06:57] <gloin> hmm
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> rescued me many times
[06:57] <zenwhen> linux_galore,
[06:57] <FSK405C> I liked Mac OS 9 but the multiple window thing is an atrocious throwback in terms of UI. Leaves more work to the user. Sometimes you want multiple windows so open a new window and find your way there ... there are so many ways to address the problem but leaving the management of "junk" windows to the user is just lame IMO.
[06:57] <lamont> unless you hacked over /etc/inittab, they should be there....
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> omg
[06:57] <zenwhen> linix-686-smp
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> it's C
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> sup dude!
[06:57] <jdub> linux_galore: apt-cache search linux smp
[06:57] <zenwhen> linux-686-smp
[06:57] <mgoose> Nader: I think its something with the kernel
[06:57] <lamont> linux_galore: see the linux-image pacakges
[06:57] <linux_galore> zenwhen: thanks yeah one machine left to swap to ubuntu and its a smp rigg
[06:57] <lamont> apt-cache search linux-image
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> I didn't touch inittab
[06:58] <mgoose> i recompiled a kernel recently that i messed something up on and slashed away too many modules
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> just did the basic install
[06:58] <mgoose> and then i had the same sort of problem
[06:58] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: didn't expect you had...
[06:58] <gloin> I wonder if your keyboard is dying
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> haven't even touched the kernel
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> Hostname: jasen - OS: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 84
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> Hostname: jasen - OS: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 83
[06:58] <linux_galore> thanks jdub
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> ooh
[06:58] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: dunno why it would do that
[06:58] <gloin> like a bad ctrl-key
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> sorry for spam
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> SORRY!
[06:58] <zenwhen> My custom 2.6.9 build + Ubuntu has been a dream.
[06:58] <FSK405C> Ralph: How much beer did you spill on your keyboard last night?
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol C
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> shaddup
[06:58] <linux_galore> might swap my admin machine to Ubuntu tomorrow the live CD worked fine on it
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> that's the kernel I have
[06:58] <gloin> seriously though
[06:59] <lamont> jdub: your search string is better. pout.
[06:59] <gloin> try swapping keyboards with another computer
[06:59] <gloin> I know you have one there
[06:59] <gloin> see if the problem continues
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> yeah I do but it's not the f-keys
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> because I can move back with f7 just fine
[06:59] <linux_galore> jdub: you still sick
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> and hitting ctrl-alt-f1 actually DOES something
[06:59] <gloin> ahh
[06:59] <jdub> linux_galore: a bit
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> but not waht is desired
[06:59] <Rene_S> Odd synaptic keeps closing with no error message when I choose apply
[06:59] <gloin> it takes you to a blank screen, right?
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> it gives me a black screen
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> yup
[06:59] <zenwhen> Whats really odd is that that console switching has barely anything to do with work done by the ubuntu Devs. It should just work.
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> and if I hit enter a bunch, I can see the init procedure
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> but it loops
[07:00] <linux_galore> jdub: yeah Ive been crap for 4 weeks....noticed you didnt turn up to slug
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> and no prompt
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> what is that gloin?
[07:00] <FSK405C> hey man Im serious...Ive had only top or bottom rows on my kb choke due to spilled beer :P j/k Ima shut up now
[07:00] <mgoose> I know its not recommended but should adding an apt repo for kde 3.3 be ok?
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol C
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> the keys work fine :)
[07:01] <lamont> mgoose: just add universe
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> they just make the system do... less than smart things
[07:01] <linux_galore> FSK405C: just unskrew it and clean it out..I do it all the time
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> when I should get consoles
[07:01] <linux_galore> unscrew*
[07:01] <FSK405C> linux_galore: Try unscrewing an apple pro keyboard. It doesn't happen.
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> gloin, have you heard if this before then?
[07:01] <gloin> negative ralph
[07:02] <FSK405C> I've spent hours trying to get inside these blasted things :D
[07:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> omg
[07:02] <mgoose> lamont: same results, keeps saying kde is installed and latest, etc
[07:02] <lamont> mgoose: and if that doesn't work, scream at me with package names and I'll add them to my "fix these if you're ever bored" list
[07:02] <lamont> mgoose: warty or hoary?
[07:02] <FSK405C> well Im glad I don't have gloin's kb...thats got worse the beer or soda or soup gumming up the works... :P
[07:02] <gloin> ralph, you might wanna try asking in #linux
[07:02] <mgoose> warty, should i apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:02] <linux_galore> FSK405C: dont they have star screws....you can get a screwdriver for that from most electronics shops
[07:02] <lamont> should is a relative term...
[07:03] <calamari> brb, hopefully
[07:03] <lamont> mgoose: hoary is still rather fluid... if you're willing to tolerate occasional b0rkage, then running hoary would help the developers out at least a little bit.  Then again, it can be painful to be dragged into the bleeding edge.
[07:03] <FSK405C> linux_galore: The board for controlling the keyboard is positioned in such a way that it is physically impossible to separate the top and bottom of the kb without engaging in soldering.  Yours does?
[07:04] <linux_galore> FSK405C: lol Im a solder jockey.... doesnt bother me...I pull laptops apart all the time to recover parts
[07:04] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen no.. but I know somebody that is having issues
[07:04] <zenwhen> Whats going on with them?
[07:05] <Tsjoklat> well he says his synaptic craps out on him
[07:05] <mgoose> hope it works
[07:05] <zenwhen> Odd
[07:05] <FSK405C> linux_galore: I do software myself. Can't stand f'ing directly with the iron very well.
[07:05] <Rene_S> I dunno, whenever i choose some apps in Synaptic and I press mark it closes
[07:05] <Tsjoklat> selecting apps and mark and poof
[07:05] <zenwhen> Has he tried upgrading it?
[07:05] <lamont> mgoose: but kde 3.3.1 won't be showing up in warty, ever.
[07:05] <lamont> it'll be in hoary.
[07:05] <mgoose> heh
[07:05] <lamont> probably
[07:05] <mgoose> alrighty
[07:05] <linux_galore> is happy has his new shiny iBook running Linux.....man anyone tells me OSX is nice I will kill them
[07:05] <lamont> :-)
[07:05] <zenwhen> osx is nice
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> isn't Ibook OSX?
[07:06] <linux_galore> yep
[07:06] <mgoose> OSX looks good for a few minutes but bleh
[07:06] <linux_galore> everything is in weird places
[07:06] <lamont> Tsjoklat: /is/was/?
[07:06] <mgoose> it gets very boring very fast
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> lamont: ?
[07:06] <zenwhen> I am buying an Ibook to run Ubuntu on soon.
[07:06] <gloin> OS X is the hood not welded but the dashboard is
[07:06] <lamont> I don't think his iBook is running OSX anymore... :)
[07:06] <linux_galore> also I didnt like how users could easily trash things in the system directories
[07:06] <mgoose> wow just for ubuntu?
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> I don't know anything but OSX.. unexplored terrain
[07:06] <gloin> OS X does a lot
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> Lamont oh :P
[07:07] <gloin> it's actually an excellent desktop unix
[07:07] <zenwhen> mgoose, yes. It will have OSX on it for an hour after I buy it.
[07:07] <gloin> much much better for desktop end-users than any linux that I've seen
[07:07] <moyogo> what package do i need to install to get gstreamer-libs-0.8.pc to please pkg-config? libgstreamer0.8-dev doesn't provide it
[07:07] <gloin> but
[07:07] <mgoose> lol zenwhen
[07:07] <linux_galore> zenwhen: lol I lasted 9 days before i couldnt stand it anymore lol
[07:07] <Tsjoklat> then why buy OSX.....?
[07:08] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: I want PPC laptop
[07:08] <zenwhen> I don't like any pice of software that apple has put out, but I like the screns on apple's laptops.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Plus they just look so much nicer at Starbucks. :D
[07:08] <mgoose> lal those rounded corners and stuff was revolting
[07:08] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: also it was on sale
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore that's good enough for me
[07:08] <mgoose> I thought Mac ppl loved osx tho
[07:08] <Xenguy> (if it ain't free as in freedom, it's craaaaaappppppp  ;-)
[07:08] <zenwhen> Im not a mac person.
[07:09] <linux_galore> mgoose: Im not a Mac person to be honest Im more a  hai I never tried putting Linux on that yet lets try it...person
[07:09] <mgoose> ah very nice
[07:09] <zenwhen> I dont even like apple. I just like the way the Ibook looks. It also happens to be a decent computer.
[07:09] <Rene_S> Woot upgrading synaptic worked
[07:09] <gloin> heh
[07:10] <linux_galore> I like the ibook keyboard and the general build is nice even on the cheap models
[07:10] <Rene_S> odd that it did that
[07:10] <Tsjoklat> yah!
[07:10] <gloin> I dropped my 12" powerbook out of the knapsack onto pavement
[07:10] <gloin> it works fine
[07:10] <s0cks> Rene_S : Do you own a pda
[07:10] <s0cks> ?
[07:10] <gloin> needs a body-and-fender tech
[07:10] <gloin> but damn
[07:10] <gloin> imagine doing that to a Dell
[07:10] <gloin> *CRUNCH*
[07:10] <zenwhen> I'll always have an Intel CPU / Intel Chipset x86 machine for my desktop needs.
[07:10] <linux_galore> also the ibook runs for ages on battery compared to my last Del machine
[07:10] <gloin> and also
[07:10] <Rene_S> No i do not own a PDA, I dont want to be tied down to my job with one of those
[07:10] <s0cks> lol
[07:10] <mgoose> while I do appreciate innovation, it sometimes seems apple just changes stuff to be different sometimes
[07:10] <gloin> wireless integration on the powerbook is much much better than any x86 laptop I've ever seen
[07:10] <s0cks> I play games on mine :P
[07:10] <mgoose> its annoying
[07:11] <Xenguy> Rene_S: exactly (and what a horrible *little* interface too)
[07:11] <mgoose> like why the fuck dont computers come with disk drives that just blows my mind
[07:11] <gloin> joining a new wireless node on OS X is ONE CLICK
[07:11] <mgoose> sry for the language but
[07:11] <mgoose> yea
[07:11] <linux_galore> dont get a blackberry it will take over your life.....they nick name blackerries  CrackBerries  lol
[07:11] <jdub> gloin: fairly likely you'll see that in hoary.
[07:11] <gloin> try that in *nix or winxp
[07:11] <rushibhai> gloin, go IBM thinkpad!!
[07:11] <gloin> jdub: yeah?
[07:11] <rushibhai> loving it.
[07:11] <gloin> rushibhai: heh, for a comparibly-featured thinkpad to the 12" powerbook, you'd pay twice as much =]
[07:11] <Rene_S> I was going to work for RIM, they were giving away Blackberry's to successful applicants, never went to the interview
[07:12] <gloin> not saying they aren't nice
[07:12] <zenwhen> the gnome project is serious about wireless integration right now
[07:12] <gloin> they are
[07:12] <gloin> but dollars count
[07:12] <rushibhai> gloin, i got my R40 with 1400x1050 screen for 1250. whatcha talking about? :)
[07:12] <gloin> What I really want is one of those mil-spec ruggedized models... I'm hell on wheels on hardware.
[07:12] <rushibhai> glin: if you need thin and light, i thoroughly agree with you tho.
[07:13] <gloin> rushibhai: how big is that?  How much does it weigh?  Does it have a combo-drive?  Built-in 802.11g?
[07:13] <linux_galore> lol I looked at IBM Thinkpads... I can get a more power full Apple ibook right now cheaper than the prices for a thinkpad
[07:13] <mgoose> alrighty fellas, gotta sleep
[07:13] <mgoose> nice talking to you all
[07:13] <rushibhai> gloin: i pre-empted you heheh.
[07:13] <Rene_S> Its bad enough  I have to spend 8900 dollars on a Digital Camera for work, dont need a digital boss as well
[07:13] <gloin> lol
[07:14] <linux_galore> yeah remember the IT code for dumb bosses......and Etcha Skethc is a really neat laptop that has amazing uptime OK
[07:14] <linux_galore> sketch*
[07:15] <linux_galore> hmm room died
[07:15] <Treenaks> X-(
[07:15] <rushibhai> brb
[07:16] <linux_galore> hmm
[07:16] <zenwhen> yeah
[07:17] <LeeColleton> if I looking for frog
[07:17] <zenwhen> perhaps we should discuss desktop environments :D
[07:17] <LeeColleton> him name is hopkin green frog
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> I am looking at coffee machines
[07:17] <zenwhen> Buy me one
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks fault
[07:17] <zenwhen> :) :)
[07:17] <Rene_S> I think i can convert my microwave into a embedded linux pda
[07:18] <zenwhen> Im getting pulled back in by rhythmbox.
[07:18] <zenwhen> I was so happy with mpd.
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> with what?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> mpd?
[07:18] <zenwhen> Music Player Daemon
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks is a walking link machine.. ask for something and he has a link to it
[07:18] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: what's my fault?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> oh MPD bleh
[07:18] <zenwhen> Its a system damon that plays music
[07:18] <Rene_S> Multiple Personality Disorder ?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> the coffee machine dear
[07:18] <zenwhen> you can kill x and your music keeps playing
[07:18] <Rene_S> how you play music with that ?
[07:19] <zenwhen> :D
[07:19] <gloin> in case anyone wants to help, RalphNader's inittab file is exactly the same as mine, and my computer works correctly.  Can anyone here talk about keymapping perhaps?  I'm not sure how Ubuntu handles it.
[07:19] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you clicked the link :)
[07:19] <zenwhen> I made a HOWTO o the forums
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks of course I did :)
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> I'm sticking with rhythm
[07:19] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5194
[07:19] <RalphNader> ty gloin
[07:19] <zenwhen> Thats it.
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> does that font thing you wrote really work zenwhen
[07:20] <zenwhen> It did for me and a few others.
[07:20] <zenwhen> The MPD devs gave me a thumbs up.
[07:20] <zenwhen> So I figure its an alright howto.
[07:21] <zenwhen> That dude in there was pretty clueless.
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> it is goed, I just don't use it :P
[07:21] <zenwhen> MPD really isnt for epople who just want to play their music and set somehting up through a GUI.
[07:21] <zenwhen> Its really for insane people who want to control their music player in 10000 different ways.
[07:21] <zenwhen> Like me.
[07:22] <zenwhen> :D
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> ah zenwhen that is just like somebody asking me what a console is.. 'does that play video?'
[07:22] <Rene_S> Ok I think I am tired I just linked an Icon to my app and then sat here wondering what went wrong
[07:22] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, yeah
[07:22] <zenwhen> lol
[07:22] <zenwhen> nite lamont
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> lamont happy sleepers
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S old age kicking in
[07:23] <Rene_S> Old something
[07:23] <FSK405C> meh so how does one go about configuring their sound card in ubuntu?
[07:23] <Rene_S> If i dont get my beauty sleep i wake up looking like Brad Pitt
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> FSK405C you say: play... damnit I said play
[07:23] <zenwhen> FSK405C, what card?
[07:23] <Pizbit> Rene_S: Please rune *grin*
[07:23] <Pizbit> run*
[07:24] <FSK405C> Tsjoklat: What did I say now eh?
[07:24] <FSK405C> zenwhen: An emulated sb16 ;)
[07:24] <zenwhen> fun
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> FSK405C me bad... Treenaks fault
[07:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yeah keep blaming me! :P
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks works doesn' it :P
[07:25] <FSK405C> Tsjoklat: Tree? Who has tree? I need tree! ... oh :P
[07:25] <Rene_S> I seen the creepiest thing a while back, I went to Chinatown in Toronto and everywhere I looked there were smiling Val Kilmer pictures
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> is he still alive?
[07:25] <Rene_S> Apparently he lives on the walls of Toronto's Chinatown
[07:26] <RuffianSoldier> Everyone who loves Ubuntu - check out www.watsky.net        very very good Ubuntu based distro, called BeatrIX, come to #beatrix       My friend just installed, and is amazed witht he blazing fast Ubuntu goodness (it even has Sudo!)
[07:26] <Tsjoklat> and hello to you too Ruffian
[07:26] <Rene_S> Wow next time try and be more direct, your a little vague on the details
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> he is cute Rene_S Ruffian only says something when he needs to vent
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> (which is often I admit)
[07:28] <Rene_S> I am cuter, I just say any old thing that comes to mind
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> Ruffian just always reminds me to keep taking my medication
[07:29] <Rene_S> Good point, i need to find my Crack err Sleeping aids
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> hey Treenaks we should run Beatrix
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> in honor of our queen
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> "I am running queen Beatrix linux... weeeee"
[07:29] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: www.republikeinsgenootschap.nl
[07:29] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I won't honor a non-democratic head of state :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> ooooh Bea is a cool twat come on... :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks are you trying to get rid of poor ol' Bea?
[07:30] <Treenaks> not actively
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> tsk tsk... Bea Linux has a neat cat as logo...  Theo van Gogh was a member though :)
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> was he?
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> are they all in hiding now?
[07:32] <Rene_S> Oh sorry was a spelling mistake
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> you stun me Treenaks
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> that you don't like Bea
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> I admit.. if only we had Wills
[07:33] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I don't hate her
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> but instead we have to deal with Alexje
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> I never said you did :P
[07:34] <Rene_S> So who are all those Donald Trump wannabe's in that pic ?
[07:34] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: it's just that I don't like the fact that she inherited her status, instead of gaining it by democratic means
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> what's next.. you are going to tell me you want it to be like America?
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S nobody knows but Treenaks lol
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> maybe it's his relatives
[07:35] <Rene_S> I see
[07:35] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: NO!
[07:35] <Rene_S> They need new suits
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> they need a party
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> so this Bea Linux.. what is it? I can't make cheese out of it
[07:38] <FSK405C> so how to configure sound cards under ubuntu? is there even a ui for that?
[07:38] <zenwhen> OH GOD COLD
[07:38] <zenwhen> oops
[07:38] <Agrajag> oops
[07:39] <zenwhen> Agrajag 8)))
[07:39] <Agrajag> (((8
[07:39] <zenwhen> let me in on this
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> Agrajag :8))
[07:40] <Agrajag> what is that, piggy-smile?
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> weirdest smile ever
[07:40] <zenwhen> Im cold.  I wanna be cool too
[07:41] <zenwhen> :(((
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> so 8)))
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> weeeeee
[07:46] <zenwhen> Can I be the goobye'er?
[07:46] <zenwhen> :D
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> so what is the 8)) deal
[07:47] <AlJ> hmm. I'll do that too.
[07:47] <AlJ> 8))
[07:47] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:47] <zenwhen> Its a smilie from another irc channel that Agrajag and I frequent.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> sort of a pissy one isn't it
[07:47] <zenwhen> Oh thats the best part.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> like a racoon on speed or something
[07:47] <pdaoust> sooooooooooooo...
[07:47] <AlJ> I thought it's a smile from Yahoo Messenger.
[07:49] <pdaoust> I've followed the HOWTO on the ubuntuforums.org website on getting FreeNX working... and I'm pretty sure there are some NX-savvy people on this channel... any idea why I would be getting 'authentication failed' without any further explanation? the people in the forum seemed to solve a similar problem, but didn't share the solution with the forum.
[07:50] <pdaoust> no idea?
[07:50] <pdaoust> yokay then
[07:50] <Abercrombie> Anyone here heard of Beatrix?
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> yeah Treenaks is her biggest fan
[07:51] <AlJ> Who is Beatrix?
[07:51] <Abercrombie> its a distro
[07:51] <deFrysk> A queen
[07:51] <Treenaks> Beatrix is the name of the queen of the Netherlands.
[07:51] <Abercrombie> its also a distro
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> hahah
[07:51] <Abercrombie> I'm just asking because it has to do with Ubuntu
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> our Bea has her own distro
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> who would have thought that
[07:51] <Abercrombie> www.watsky.net
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> Abercrombie and what is the link between ubu and Bea?
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> i own the #beatrix channel
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> that's nice Ruffian
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> what is the link between ubu and Bea?
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> Bea is based off Ubuntu
[07:54] <pdaoust> soooooo... nobody has a clue as to why my FreeNX server wouldn't work even after creating keys like a good boy?
[07:54] <Abercrombie> I also own the channel :)
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> deb based?
[07:54] <Abercrombie> ya
[07:54] <deFrysk> ubu is free and bea costs taxpayers money
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> nonono
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> not at all
[07:54] <Rod> hello
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[07:54] <pdaoust> hey, Rod
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> what can Bea do for me that ubu can't?
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> its faster
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> can be installed and ran off a pen drive
[07:55] <Abercrombie> way faster
[07:55] <Abercrombie> i installed it in less than 10minutes on my slow system
[07:55] <Abercrombie> Gnome 2.8
[07:55] <Rod> i have problems getting on internet with the life cd.. Yesterday I got some commands of someone here on IRC to run to analyse the problem... Would you like the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a?
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> so if I understand right... Bea took ubu and build their distro?
[07:56] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:56] <RuffianSoldier> the guys at Ubuntu are amazed with Bea and are wanting there secrets, confronting them with mad cash
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> then what
[07:56] <Rod> the network cards are detected, but still no internte wile I have a simple dhcp setup up... Windows, Gentoo and FC work flawlessly :-/
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> Tsjoklat, they use same repositories, and same idea as Ubuntu (sudo - ubuntuized debs_
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mad cash
[07:57] <pdaoust> Rod: throw the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a into the #flood channel, and I'll take a look at them.
[07:57] <Rod> thank you pdaoust
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> are you telling me that ubu wants to buy up Bea?
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under 200MBs
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> they have been trying
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> and failed
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> but Bea is great
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> and how did they come by the name Bea?
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its the founders cats name
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its also the mascot
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its a Burmese cat
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> the Burmese?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> yeah I use to breed them
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> cool!
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> Steven Watsky would be happy
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> and where is Watsky located?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> wb zenwhen
[08:00] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: Funny thing there's nothing whatsoever about it in google. :>
[08:00] <RuffianSoldier> Europe
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> Europe where?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> big place Europe
[08:00] <RuffianSoldier> ctd, actually, thats wehre I found it before it was on distrowatch
[08:01] <zenwhen_> oh thanks
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> Czech
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> i think
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> well I'll give it a go Ruffian
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> got a box laying around
[08:02] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: BeatrIX?
[08:03] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: do you just enjoy making shit up?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> ctd, BeatrIX yes
[08:03] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: You seem to have the mentality of a 2yr old.
[08:04] <Rene_S> Lets all try and keep this civil
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> meazyboy, wtf are you talking about
[08:05] <melazyboy> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under they have been trying and failed
[08:05] <melazyboy> where the hell did you get that..
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu based distro under 200MBs
[08:06] <deFrysk> RuffianSoldier, i can imagine they want
[08:06] <melazyboy> ,,, you are complete idiot, sorry channel -- he is deserving.... how do you think they did it?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> Klowner Klowner.. isn't that the geezer that makes those fab wallpapers
[08:06] <Rod> pdaoust, are you still here?
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, wtf is your problem?
[08:07] <Klowner> Tsjoklat: I'm only 21, but yes :)
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> Klowner I love your work! :) thanks for it
[08:08] <zenwhen> melazyboy, why are you trolling in here?
[08:08] <Klowner> Tsjoklat: thanks for the complement, makes me feel special :)
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> Klowner you are so most welcome :)
[08:09] <RuffianSoldier> Klowner, you make cool wallpaper? send me one!
[08:09] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: Your talking out of your ass, if Ubuntu, a corperatly funded disto with a lengthy development team wanted to make a 200mb distro they can, after all its not without a tradeoff, beatrix logically would have made that speed by either a) compression, or b) cutting packages. Either of which the ubuntu team is fully capable of doing
[08:09] <melazyboy> Thats my first problem with you.
[08:09] <Klowner> RuffianSoldier: klowner.com
[08:10] <zenwhen> melazyboy, why are you being so rude?
[08:10] <RuffianSoldier> nice
[08:10] <Rene_S> Well this is degenerating into a flamefest, so I am off to bed
[08:10] <melazyboy> My second problem with you is the first thing you did after reading the beatrix article is to jump into the room and get admin privledges and then shout that here, like it is either a) hard to become an admin of an empty channel; or b) ethically right to channel hijack someone elses distro for the cause of mainting admin rights in the event they ever want to use it.
[08:11] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Because he has no right to nock the abilitys of the ubuntu devels, in a ubuntu channel.
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, I ask the founder personally for the channel, and I talk to him frequently
[08:12] <zenwhen> RuffianSoldier, what specifically was your claim? That Ubuntu couldnt get under 200MB and be useful as a esktop OS?
[08:12] <zenwhen> desktop*
[08:12] <Rene_S> Children, why not take this into a private chat space, We dont all need to hear your tantrum
[08:12] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: I find what you spew hard to swallow -- i too am heading off rather than draging this out to a flamewar...
[08:12] <pdaoust> hey, folks, any reason why a stock Ubuntu install would turn on IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling by default? I'm trying to help a user in the #flood channel who can't get an IP from his router because his eth0 is stolen and turned into sit0.
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> zenwhen, im not sure exactly what he said, but Ubuntu wanted to know how they got it that low - and were offering cash
[08:13] <zenwhen> Oh, I was just wondering what got him so all-fired mad.
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, You dont know my situation , so stfu - I asked Steven Watsky (Founder) if I could create the channel, he said sure, and that any help was welcome
[08:13] <zenwhen> hey Tsjoklat whats up?  I dindt really read it though.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> night Rene_S
[08:15] <Rene_S> Try and not mureder one and other
[08:15] <zenwhen> I just saw a spew of profanity.
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, your right, I have no backing for that statement, but I do talk to the founder.
[08:15] <Rene_S> wow i need to work on spelling
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> awww we are bored Rene_S
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy is entertaining us
[08:15] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: People put the packages into ubuntu-desktop, they can just as easily remove them, Beatrix hasn't created an encryption algo, they ASSEMBLED a lite version of ubuntu lacking in packages. big deal.
[08:15] <Rene_S> See ya
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> and here we go: round four
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, hhahahaha, you dont know the half!
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> we need some soda zenwhen be good and fetch us some
[08:16] <pdaoust> so I guess that means that nobody has had any experience with IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling, right? :-D
[08:16] <zenwhen> I searched for Beatrix and found Harry Potter stuff. D:
[08:16] <melazyboy> Sorry if this is bothering others in channel... in advance... feel free to take a pop at him
[08:16] <Treenaks> zenwhen: likely.. our prime minister looks like Harry Potter
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> hahahahah
[08:17] <Treenaks> http://www.tiscali.nl/images/7/6/harry_balkenende1.jpg
[08:17] <zenwhen> melazyboy, its your fight.  I keep forgetting to change it back.
[08:19] <jmhodges> zenwhen, ouch hehe
[08:20] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/gaym.png
[08:20] <zenwhen> that was the result
[08:20] <zenwhen> D:
[08:20] <melazyboy> zenwhen: No -- like any irc arguement no one will ever win, put pointing out flaws in someones arguement does damage their reputation and thats a form of self-delt karma =/
[08:21] <jmhodges> zenwhen, haha
[08:21] <zenwhen> melazyboy, actually all you did was make me interested in his project and bore me
[08:21] <zenwhen> so it kind of backfired
[08:21] <frankps> Hi all
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> are we still flaming?
[08:22] <zenwhen> But this isnt my fight.
[08:22] <frankps> Has someone here installed Beagle?
[08:22] <zenwhen> I wont respond to you further.
[08:22] <Abercrombie> Tsjoklat: www.watsky.net
[08:22] <swim> hi, can ubuntu use debian, or some other distros packages?
[08:23] <melazyboy> yes
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, please try it out - you might enjoy!
[08:23] <melazyboy> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <Tsjoklat> Abercrombie got it going to d/l it.. if only to piss melazyboy off
[08:23] <zenwhen> yep
[08:23] <zenwhen> Me too
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[08:23] <pdaoust> swim: it can use any debian repository; I have a lot of non-Ubuntu repositories in my /etc/sources.list
[08:23] <zenwhen> Im very excited
[08:23] <Abercrombie> =0
[08:24] <Beatrix> :)
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> hi :-D
[08:24] <pdaoust> swim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.
[08:24] <zenwhen> It would be nice to have it small enough to fit on a 3 inch cd
[08:24] <jmhodges> who wants to practice their grub-fu ?
[08:24] <zenwhen> that would rock
[08:24] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: I fail to see the usefullness of 200mb distro, it won't fit on a floppy and its 550mbps wasted on a cd... on the flip side i coulden't be happier with ubuntu the chat room with its users, the devs that create it... (well maybe with the exception of fglrx not working with xorg 1.8 but i'll live)
[08:24] <zenwhen> Pocket Gnome
[08:24] <Beatrix> #beatrix .... www.watsky.net
[08:24] <swoon> sorry did anyone  answer swim? I am swim, but had a connection problem
[08:25] <jmhodges> swoon, <pdaoust> swim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.
[08:25] <jmhodges> swoon, the answer is pretty much yes
[08:25] <jmhodges> but beware.. Bewaaaaaaare!
[08:25] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ha ha
[08:25] <jmhodges> hehe
[08:25] <pdaoust> jmhodges: by the way, what's your grub grief?
[08:26] <swoon> hrmm ok, I just recieved 10 ubuntu cds in the mail... didnt even order them!
[08:26] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, it has been modded to be ran off a Pen Drive also
[08:26] <melazyboy> I use debian's sid repositories, there are some issues i have assited in trouble shooting that woulden't work without them, problems with k3b lacking libs and such
[08:26] <jmhodges> pdaoust, oh, i had to install windows in another partition.. it overwrote my MBR, and somehow my stage2 in my ubuntu part got wiped.. im sitting here 4 days now with no linux besides these lovely livecds
[08:26] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i've tried all of the "easy" stuff it seems
[08:26] <jmhodges> i should have written it all down.. damn.
[08:27] <pdaoust> jmhodges: got a Mandrake CD kicking around?
[08:27] <jmhodges> im more than willing to go back over it though hehe
[08:27] <jmhodges> pdaoust, gah.. maybe.. an old one.. why?
[08:27] <swoon> oh I installed ubuntu, and had a kernel panic on boot, that said I should try booting with noapic, but I couldnt figure out how to boot with noapic... incase it happens on next ubuntu install how could I fix that?
[08:27] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I dunno; maybe you could use the MBR repair tool on the Mandrake CD.
[08:27] <jmhodges> ohh. gotcha
[08:28] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: They sell 1g pen drives on thinkgeek as of now, i believe they are 100.00 and they can run the full shebang
[08:28] <pdaoust> jmhodges: but I'm sure you can use grub-install for the same purposes. Don't think it's on the Ubuntu LiveCD tho
[08:28] <pdaoust> jmhodges: it removed your stage2 too? do you have /boot on a separate partition?
[08:28] <jmhodges> well.. im thinking i do have this rather large blank space in between the ubuntu and the windows part that i might decide could be great for a temp fresh ubuntu install.. ill let it go in, clean up the grub.. reboot into the old ubuntu part and reinstall/configure grub
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> well at least melazyboy is talking to you again Ruffian
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> hehe
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i think the stage2 got fscked by a missed type grub shell command
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i tried grub-install with some help from folks in here but no luck
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> drat guess we have to find other entertaining now zenwhen
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> let's blame Treenaks again
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, and grub-install is on the livecd, it just no worky
[08:29] <melazyboy> Ill get over it..
[08:29] <swoon> anyone?
[08:29] <zenwhen> Yes
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> you are what?
[08:30] <zenwhen> ARG
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> impervious?
[08:30] <zenwhen> I cannot remember how much data a 3 inch cdr hold
[08:30] <zenwhen> s
[08:30] <Treenaks> zenwhen: 80mm, and 180mb
[08:30] <zenwhen> Someone tell me or my head will cave in.
[08:30] <pdaoust> jmhodges: gee... ummmmmmm... I think the last time I had problems like that, I was a pretty green Linux user, so my solution was to reinstall Linux from scratch :)
[08:30] <zenwhen> Thanks so much.
[08:30] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, try it - youll like it!
[08:30] <jmhodges> lol
[08:30] <jmhodges> pdaoust, fun fun
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> ask Treenaks for a link... any link
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> he'll know it
[08:31] <jmhodges> i've got something around 5 years but all of it with lilo besides my ubuntu install
[08:31] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: One advantage over Ubuntu?
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: yeah, I liked the 'steamroller' approach back then :)
[08:31] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: Link? www.zelda.com?
[08:31] <jmhodges> hehehe
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: five years of data?
[08:31] <Tsjoklat> <-- follows every link Treenaks spits out.. what is impervious?
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, my friend tried Ubuntu - and then BeatrIX  - BeatrIX was faster . way faster        and it has Gnome 2.8
[08:31] <jmhodges> pdaoust, god no.. five years of linux experience
[08:31] <jmhodges> hahaha
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ah
[08:32] <jmhodges> i killed my data many times.. perhaps some is left over from one of the Great Purges but i doubt it
[08:32] <pdaoust> jmhodges: all my real Linux experience came with Gentoo, which recommends grub...
[08:32] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier Hoary is using gnome 2.8 =/
[08:32] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat:   impervious
[08:32] <Treenaks>        adj : not admitting of passage or capable of being affected; "a
[08:32] <Treenaks>              material impervious to water"; "someone impervious to
[08:32] <Treenaks>              argument" [syn: {imperviable}]  [ant: {pervious}]
[08:32] <ironwolf> swoon: when booting, there should be a varible you can set that does noacpi on the boot line.
[08:32] <Tsjoklat> huh huh
[08:32] <Tsjoklat> walking dictionary aswell
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy - just give it a try
[08:33] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I know what that's like; I've purged things by accident before... and then sometimes the hard drive dies on me; I've had two hard drives die in a month.
[08:33] <jmhodges> gahh
[08:33] <pdaoust> jmhodges: so, you need your MBR back
[08:33] <pdaoust> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:33] <jmhodges> indeed
[08:33] <jmhodges> just something to say "boot into /dev/hda1" is all i really need
[08:34] <jmhodges> but all of this stageX business leaves me confused
[08:34] <pdaoust> yeah..... hum.
[08:34] <jmhodges> im used to "hack on /etc/lilo.conf; hit lilo; reboot"
[08:34] <jmhodges> or variations depending on if im on a cd and such
[08:35] <jmhodges> what exactly are these stage files anyway?
[08:36] <pdaoust> jmhodges: stage1 is the MBR
[08:38] <pdaoust> jmhodges: have you been swapping masters and slaves and cables around?
[08:38] <bur[n] er> has anyone tried cedega or crossover office on Ubuntu?
[08:38] <jmhodges> pdaoust, ahhhh.. not on the harddrives.. why?
[08:38] <Treenaks> what's wrong with openoffice?
[08:38] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: something i'd rather not get into atm ;)
[08:39] <pdaoust> jmhodges: might not be able to find stage1 and stage2 because it looks for them by their names on the channels
[08:39] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: i.e. nothing :)
[08:39] <jmhodges> there was a cd writer addition but even that was just an addition of hardware.. no actual slave/master swapping
[08:39] <jmhodges> pdaoust, gahh..
[08:39] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: i have to use Outlook... my employer sends out calendar events in the outlook winmail.dat format
[08:40] <pdaoust> jmhodges: in GRUB's case, it looks for them on hd(0,0) or hd(0,1) or wherever the /boot partition might be. But if you didn't change any HDs around, shouldn't be an issue.
[08:40] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: doesn't evo grok that?
[08:40] <calamari> anyhow happen to know if ppp creates any files or environment vars when online?  Trying to make myself a little connect/disconnect script for pon/poff
[08:40] <bur[n] er> no
[08:40] <calamari> anyhow -> anyone
[08:40] <jmhodges> pdaoust, roger.. then not my issue :-/
[08:40] <bur[n] er> in any event, just curious if anyone had experience, but i'll just have to go for it and see if it works out :)
[08:41] <pdaoust> jmhodges: oh, here's something I discovered..... one sec, while I double check it
[08:41] <Rod> so i just re-install ubuntu, choose for the cd-rom install instead of network one... and add these 4 lines to the interfaces file
[08:41] <zenwhen> ahahahhaahhahhahhaha
[08:41] <zenwhen> sorry
[08:41] <jmhodges> pdaoust, cool
[08:41] <zenwhen> the beatrix site is so funny
[08:41] <crimsun> Rod: yes
[08:42] <Rod> alright.. ill be back as soon as possible! can take 45 minutes though.
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen are you trying to rile up melazyboy again?
[08:42] <crimsun> Rod: then we can edit your sources.list so you can finish installing from the 'net
[08:42] <zenwhen> No
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> zenwhen - ya, its a great site - its "cozy" - silly
[08:42] <zenwhen> Have you read their site?
[08:42] <melazyboy> www.5url.com hhahhahahahah
[08:42] <zenwhen> if you've got a bit of skill. You can re-compile the Linux
[08:42] <zenwhen> lololololllll
[08:42] <pdaoust> my word, what is that 5url.com?!?
[08:42] <ctd> bong.
[08:43] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Why is the beatrix site funny?
[08:43] <zenwhen> Its a joke.
[08:43] <zenwhen> I havent laughed this hard in years.
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> BeatrIX Linux: Faster than the average moth or butterfly
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> because of that
[08:43] <zenwhen> No
[08:43] <spikys> hello
[08:44] <pdaoust> jmhodges: do you have a LiveCD of any sort lying around? doesn't matter what type
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> then what
[08:44] <jmhodges> pdaoust, im running one right now :)
[08:44] <spikys> everyone is on ubuntu here?
[08:44] <jmhodges> im on the ubuntu warty livecd
[08:44] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ah, excellent :)
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> no spikys suse
[08:44] <jmhodges> hehe
[08:44] <pdaoust> spikys: most of us -- some of us are still in WinXP with network config problems :)
[08:44] <zenwhen> The technical parts. "Linux 2.6.7: If you're moving to Linux from Windows, you may remember the days of the DOS prompt, c:/. This is the same, basically."
[08:45] <pdaoust> (spikys: glad to say I'm not in that group myself)
[08:45] <spikys> oh ok
[08:45] <king_arthur> hi everybody
[08:45] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[08:45] <spikys> does ubuntu have torrent download?
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> spikys just kidding.. all ubu and bea in here
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: that's where I got mine
[08:45] <king_arthur> anybody here familiar with the koppix live CD?
[08:45] <zenwhen> Whoever wrote this site has no clue what they are talking about. If the same person developed the distro, then melazyboy was totally right.
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: should be able to find the torrent URIs on the Ubuntu download page somewhere; forget where.
[08:45] <spikys> torrent...where's the tracker? can get at the homepage?
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: yep, I think so
[08:46] <pdaoust> (real helpful, eh? ;) )
[08:46] <spikys> so is it really a 25 minutes install?
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> oh joy another round
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> soda zenwhen?
[08:46] <zenwhen> yes
[08:46] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Wow i just looked at the site i have to agree i also think its a joke now -- read this. "Beatrix is optimized for _any_ Pentium-class computer of _any_ speed with at least 64megs of ram" that can't be so...
[08:46] <pdaoust> spikys: depends on the hardware. I think it took me about 30 min
[08:46] <pdaoust> spikys: although I did decide to do some fancy partitioning, and tha tmade it more like 45 min
[08:46] <spikys> ok wat...at least not like an hour
[08:47] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, what we're going to do is get into the environment of your hd-installed Ubuntu
[08:47] <king_arthur> I am trying to modify Ubuntu XFreeserver config file according to the Knoppix config file
[08:47] <pdaoust> jmhodges: bring up a prompt
[08:47] <spikys> erm..another question, ubuntu can only use gnome?
[08:47] <king_arthur> can anybody pls help?
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> hahah
[08:47] <melazyboy> Because the kernel has optimizations for P1, P2/3, P4, and PM machines, as well as requiring bigmem for computers with over a gig of ram
[08:47] <zenwhen> hey melazyboy look in #flood
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> spikys, hell no!  I use KDE and Gnome and Flux and XFce4
[08:47] <pdaoust> jmhodges: first of all, what partition is your Ubuntu installed on?
[08:47] <jmhodges> pdaoust, ok, booted up the root term
[08:47] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hda1, or (hd0,0) iirc
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> I feel like my period is coming up
[08:48] <spikys> i thought once the installation complete it came wit gnome
[08:48] <pdaoust> king_arthur: what are you trying to do specifically?
[08:48] <jmhodges> definitely hda1 hehe.. i just think the latter is how grub interprets it
[08:48] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, mount that somewhere
[08:48] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, :(
[08:48] <jmhodges> done, mounted at /mnt/hda1
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you hit me!
[08:48] <king_arthur> pdaoust: problem is Xserver did not config correctly and doesnt run with warty
[08:48] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that's right; just different terminology for Linux and for GRUB
[08:48] <king_arthur> pdaoust: tryin to config manually
[08:49] <pdaoust> jmhodges: chroot /mnt/hda1 && source /etc/profile
[08:49] <jmhodges> pdaoust, of course, i was double checking mygrub knowledge heh
[08:49] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Knoppix uses prelinking, ubuntu does not, it's advantages aren't that extensive, they build all of their packages with prelinking enabled
[08:49] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that will dump you into your HD-installed enviro
[08:49] <jmhodges> pdaoust, oo.. that source i hadnt tried
[08:49] <jmhodges> right.. i had some /dev issues in here before
[08:49] <jmhodges> done
[08:49] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, are there any specific spots in XF86Config that you need help with?
[08:50] <king_arthur> melazyboy: that's great but I want the Xserver to work so hat to do?
[08:50] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, go grub
[08:50] <pdaoust> (that's the whole command... just 'grub')
[08:50] <jmhodges> right
[08:50] <jmhodges> into the grub shell i go
[08:50] <pdaoust> king_arthur: and can we see a copy of the error messages X spits out when it crashes, if you have a copy? (post into #flood to keep #ubuntu tidy)
[08:50] <jmhodges> pdaoust, done
[08:50] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I was considering trying to just copy the XFConfig-4 file from to the other
[08:51] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I b'lieve... oh wait, you said the stage2 was screwed
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> so where are we in the convo?
[08:51] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmmmmmmm... could work, possibly... dunno... there's a lot of auto-detection stuff and things that might be slightly different
[08:51] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, quit
[08:51] <pdaoust> (using command 'quit')
[08:51] <jmhodges> right
[08:52] <jmhodges> ok, now what my man?
[08:52] <jmhodges> wait..
[08:52] <jmhodges> wtf..
[08:52] <jmhodges> my stage2 is back..
[08:52] <pdaoust> jmhodges: maybe it's corrupted?
[08:52] <jmhodges> i must have be smoking something terrible the other night
[08:52] <king_arthur> pdaoust: TKS that will need some hacking and time
[08:52] <pdaoust> :D
[08:52] <jmhodges> pdaoust, possible, lets assume its ok still
[08:52] <jmhodges> walk me through this.. i think i tried something like this before.. but a hand hold would be nice hehe
[08:52] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, if we're assuming it's okay, get back into the grub prompt (sorry)
[08:53] <pdaoust> king_arthur: what sort of hardware do you have?
[08:53] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I have a look but need to restart everything, how about just trying first simple copy
[08:53] <jmhodges> pdaoust, nah, no problem.. you went with what you had :D
[08:54] <pdaoust> jmhodges: which wasn't much :D I'm winging it myself.....
[08:54] <king_arthur> pdaoust: HP Vectra Pentium I 165 integrated SiS video card
[08:54] <pdaoust> jmhodges: in the grub prompt:
[08:54] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hehe
[08:54] <linux_galore> its funny I find this channel more easy going than many of the other distro channels
[08:55] <swim> I installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that?
[08:55] <king_arthur> pdaoust: have tried manual configuration of the Xserver but did not succeed
[08:55] <pdaoust> install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,0)/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 p /grub/grub.conf
[08:55] <pdaoust> (that last line was for jmhodges)
[08:55] <jmhodges> natch
[08:55] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:55] <pdaoust> okay
[08:55] <jmhodges> thats.. interesting..
[08:55] <jmhodges> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[08:55] <king_arthur> pdaoust: whow how do you do all this "brain sharing"? :-)
[08:55] <pdaoust> king_arthur: sorry, I forget -- did you already try just copying the Knoppix XF86Config over, or are you still wondering if you should or not?
[08:56] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I can't; my brains are leaking out my ears :-D
[08:56] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I want to do it
[08:56] <jmhodges> pdaoust, see that error
[08:56] <pdaoust> going into meltdown..............
[08:56] <jmhodges> ?
[08:56] <pdaoust> jmhodges: yeah.....
[08:56] <jmhodges> k :-/
[08:56] <pdaoust> dat is bizarre
[08:56] <jmhodges> very
[08:56] <jmhodges> wait.!
[08:56] <jmhodges> found it
[08:56] <pdaoust> yes?
[08:56] <swim> anyone?
[08:56] <jmhodges> the /grub/stage2 at the end
[08:57] <jmhodges> nope..
[08:57] <pdaoust> no?
[08:57] <jmhodges> oh and the /grub/grub.conf
[08:57] <spikehead> anyone playing nfsu2?
[08:57] <pdaoust> try both, eyah
[08:57] <pdaoust> was just about to suggest
[08:57] <pdaoust> spikehead: most advanced game I play is Frozen-Bubble :D
[08:57] <king_arthur> pdaoust: so the real question should be how to do it firt
[08:57] <geoffj> hi all
[08:57] <jmhodges> pdaoust,  perhaps it was the 'p' in there?
[08:57] <pdaoust> jmhodges...... hmmmmmmmmmm... dunno
[08:57] <spikehead> pdaoust: ok
[08:57] <jmhodges> or the --stage2 bit?
[08:58] <jmhodges> needing (hd0,0)
[08:58] <pdaoust> jmhodges: owing to the fact that I don't even know what the p is for and I'm just winging it there too! ha! :-D
[08:58] <jmhodges> hehehe
[08:58] <pdaoust> king_arthur: well, I guess that if you're not having any luck configuring it the normal ways, you could make a backup copy of XF86Config and copy the Knoppix version over
[08:59] <pdaoust> king_arthur: beware, sometimes the new version of XFree86 uses the file XF86Config-4, and if you have both config files, it could get confused.
[08:59] <swim> I installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that? anybody??
[08:59] <geoffj> I have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.
[08:59] <king_arthur> pdaoust: that's what I was asking for but I don't know   how to do
[08:59] <jmhodges> pdaoust, nada.. even with (hd0,0)/boot/ added as prefixes to everything
[08:59] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, I getcha
[09:00] <pdaoust> king_arthur: are you in a working installed Ubuntu environment right now, or are you in Windows, or are you in Knoppix?
[09:00] <king_arthur> pdaoust: Knoppix right now and xserver works
[09:00] <pdaoust> king_arthur: is Knoppix using the new X.org 6.8?
[09:01] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, here's what 'help install' tells me:
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: azzzzz how to find out?
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it's 3.2
[09:01] <pdaoust> king_arthur: go 'less /etc/X11/xorg.conf' (without quotation marks) -- if it says there's no file like that, then you're using XFree86
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: no no I can see the XFConfig-4 file
[09:02] <pdaoust> jmhodges: "If the option 'p' is present, then the first block of Stage 2 is patched with new values of the partition and name of the configuration file used by the true Stage 2 at boot time."
[09:02] <pdaoust> jmhodges: there you go. clear as the sludge on the bottom of a swamp.
[09:02] <king_arthur> pdaoust: anyway one problem is that knoppix ain't using standard directory
[09:03] <pdaoust> king_arthur: ugh, really?
[09:03] <king_arthur> pdaoust: well it's all in ram isn't it?
[09:03] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hehe
[09:03] <pdaoust> king_arthur: some of the stuff is in ram, some is still on the CD
[09:04] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I wonder, do you have root access to your new chrooted environment?
[09:04] <pdaoust> (I guess what I'm asking is do you have a $ or a #?)
[09:04] <king_arthur> pdaoust: had a look it's xfree
[09:04] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, should work fine copying over then.
[09:04] <king_arthur> so question is where can I find my hda1 directories?
[09:05] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I'm assuming it's /mnt/hda1 -- that's where some Debian-based LiveCDs put their mounted discs
[09:05] <jmhodges> pdaoust, whoami retursn root
[09:05] <king_arthur> pdaoust: have done so but looks empty :-(
[09:05] <pdaoust> jmhodges: kay, just wondering if it wasn't able to patch the necessary files and stuff
[09:05] <jmhodges> right
[09:06] <pdaoust> king_arthur: that reminds me -- I think it doesn't mount them by default either, so you'll have to go 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1' first
[09:06] <pdaoust> :)
[09:06] <king_arthur> pdaoust: OK wiill do so
[09:07] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i think im just going to go with the damnable idea of starting up the ubuntu install..
[09:07] <jmhodges> bleh..
[09:07] <jmhodges> but it must be..
[09:07] <pdaoust> jmhodges: mebbe... but before you do, I'm gonna try to make some sense of this silly grub manual
[09:07] <jmhodges> k
[09:08] <jmhodges> oh, is there a way to install ubuntu from the live cd itself?
[09:08] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I've heard people say there isn't
[09:08] <pdaoust> :_S
[09:08] <jmhodges> thats just sillly
[09:08] <king_arthur> pdaoust: great that was the problem!!! I will copy and restart and see what happens tks
[09:09] <pdaoust> king_arthur: no prob; good luck!
[09:09] <king_arthur> pdaoust: see you in a few minutes hold on :-)
[09:09] <jmhodges> i suppose thats why they bundled the live cd and the install cd together
[09:09] <pdaoust> jmhodges: think so
[09:09] <Rod> hello :)
[09:09] <pdaoust> Rod, how's it going?
[09:09] <Rod> Guess what.. with this install those 4 lines are already in the file
[09:09] <pdaoust> Rod: thought so; I think the problem goes deeper
[09:09] <Rod> I have some other interesting news though
[09:10] <Rod> I told you I have a nvidia 6800 card
[09:10] <pdaoust> yep
[09:10] <Rod> the driver in XF86config gets set on nv automaticly, which seems to be ok
[09:10] <Rod> but X wont start, it says no device detected
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: kinda slow acceleration in my opinion
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: that's weird
[09:10] <Rod> so i had to switch to the vga driver, with a screenres of something like 300x200
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: any problems with LiveCDs (or have you tried them?)
[09:11] <Rod> so maybe its a motherboard issue?
[09:11] <Rod> no, the livecd takes a decent resolution
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: yeah, maybe the nforce3 drivers are just too young and buggy yet...
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: oh, if the LiveCD works, that's weird
[09:11] <Rod> not sure if it's nv, but pretty sure... vga cant take that high res with plenty of colours
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: indeed
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: but maybe it's using the vesafb drivers?
[09:12] <Rod> nvidia has some closed sourced drivers on their site... should I take those? :s  although i dont think the other working distro's took these
[09:12] <king_arthur> Hey guys, can anybody pls tell if there is an app to run irc in trminal (no xscreen)?
[09:12] <geoffj> I have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.
[09:12] <crimsun> king_arthur: irssi-text
[09:12] <Rod> yeah, vesafb could be as well... Never payd attention to that actually
[09:12] <crimsun> king_arthur: I also recommend screen
[09:12] <crimsun> Rod: there are nvidia packages for ubuntu
[09:13] <pdaoust> king_arthur: irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n king_arthur works for me
[09:13] <Rod> on the cd crimsun ?
[09:13] <king_arthur> crimsun: just apt-get install irssi?
[09:13] <pdaoust> king_arthur: the interface is hard to get used to, but it does work in a pinch
[09:13] <crimsun> Rod: doubtful. you'll download them via apt-get
[09:13] <crimsun> king_arthur: sudo apt-get..., or use Synaptic, sure.
[09:13] <pdaoust> (if his ethernet driver was working :) )
[09:13] <king_arthur> crimsun: of course :-)
[09:13] <Rod> :)
[09:14] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it is 8-)
[09:14] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hey dont worry about my little issue.. ill just slap a ubuntu install on this empty space on my drive and fix things from there :)
[09:14] <pdaoust> jmhodges, thanks :)
[09:14] <crimsun> Rod: the 6800 is supported for 2d in 4.4.0 or X.Org 6.8+ iirc
[09:14] <crimsun> Rod: but Warty ships with a highly modified XFree86 4.3.0
[09:15] <geoffj> don't worry I have solved my problem using wiki, thanks
[09:15] <pdaoust> My dad just recently told me about this article he read, that said that multitasking is hugely damaging on the human mind :)
[09:15] <crimsun> Rod: so you'll need to use 'vesa'
[09:15] <Rod> aii ok crimsun
[09:15] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I mean Rod, who is having trouble finding the nvidia drivers
[09:15] <Rod> well i can take them from the nvidia website
[09:15] <Rod> not sure how to install the kernel-sources and such
[09:15] <crimsun> Rod: until you get network up; then you can install linux-restricted-modules.., nvidia-glx, and nvidia-common
[09:15] <Rod> is it under the headers package?
[09:16] <crimsun> Rod: no need for that. Warty already has them packaged; you just need network access to pull the necessary packages from Ubuntu's ftp site.
[09:16] <Rod> well, i can download it now, and copy it over the the linux partition\
[09:16] <melazyboy> Rod apt-get install kernel-tree
[09:16] <Rod> and then install it with dpkg
[09:16] <melazyboy> Rod: There is a tutorial on the wiki about it
[09:16] <crimsun> Rod: is network up? Have you installed Warty?
[09:16] <Rod> network isnt up crimsun
[09:16] <pdaoust> jmhodges: you mean just slap an install into an empty spot, just so it reinstalls the MBR and configures stage1 and stage2 properly? now there's an idea...
[09:16] <Rod> still same errors, except for those 4 lines which are already in the interfaces file
[09:17] <pdaoust> Rod: yeah, I was thinking you'd still have problems with that.
[09:17] <pdaoust> maybe ask the channel: anybody have any problems with an nForce3 chipset (AMD64 mobo), and Ubuntu not finding the drivers for the network card?
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: is forcedeth loaded?
[09:18] <pdaoust> (thinking to myself, how is he gonna apt-get the nvidia drivers without a 'Net connection.......)
[09:18] <Rod> afaik not crimsun
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: you need to load it
[09:18] <Rod> but i loaded it before, but it didnt gave me internet or whatso ever
[09:18] <pdaoust> Rod: you were having problems loading it, weren't you
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, yep
[09:18] <pdaoust> hm
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, that was my fall back plan
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: sudo modprobe forcedeth
[09:18] <Rod> pdaoust, only on debian it gave me an error.. on ubuntu it doesnt give me any output, which is good i think
[09:18] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that's an idea... maybe go into advanced mode, so you only have to install the basest of systems
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: that should return you immediately to a prompt
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, think i will :)
[09:19] <pdaoust> Rod: that's interesting... I hope that's good :)
[09:19] <jmhodges> k, hopefully see you folks either tonight or when i get up in the morning
[09:19] <jmhodges> later!
[09:19] <Rod> do I need to enter other commonds to get connection to the network after running the modprobe command?
[09:19] <crimsun> bye jmhodges
[09:19] <pdaoust> righto, jmhodges, good luck :)
[09:19] <crimsun> Rod: sudo ifup eth0
[09:19] <Rod> ok
[09:19] <Rod> that should do it :)
[09:19] <pdaoust> hopefully :)
[09:19] <jmhodges> thanks
[09:19] <Rod> see you hopefully soon in ubuntu ;)
[09:20] <pdaoust> righto.
[09:20] <pdaoust> actually, I'm probably not gonna be there when Rod gets back... I'm falling asleep... but before I leave, does anybody know how to get rid of that bastardly authentication problems that have been plaguing Ubuntu users who try to install the FreeNX packages?
[09:20] <pdaoust> I reeeeeeeally wanna use my computer from a remote machine :)
[09:21] <crimsun> sorry, I have no experience with NX
[09:21] <pdaoust> yokay, no prob
[09:21] <pdaoust> worked so easily on Gentoo...
[09:22] <pdaoust> (but, as a tradeoff, everything ELSE works so easily on Ubuntu, as compared to Gentoo :-D )
[09:22] <pdaoust> righto, folks, I'm knackered. I'm going to bed.
[09:23] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it is working!!! knppix an immensely resorcefoul thing!! thank knoppix, thank you ubuntu, thank you pdaoust!! :-)
[09:23] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hey, that's good news! Glad it worked for you; I was kinda expecting it not to.
[09:23] <king_arthur> pdaoust: 8-)
[09:24] <king_arthur> pdaoust: my real question is wy did it not work in first instance?....
[09:24] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I did two installs and replaced a card just to be extra sure
[09:33] <crimsun> ni pdaoust
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: not sure, really... maybe the onboard SiS hardware was too exotic for it?
[09:33] <king_arthur> pdaoust: 8 years old 800x600 resolution?
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmm, yeah, you'd think they'd have support for that by now ^_^
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: Knoppix puts a *lot* of work into making sure their LiveCDs boot up on every conceivable piece of hardware under the sun, so maybe they've put more work into it than the Ubuntu devs have?
[09:33] <pdaoust> crimsun: sorry, what does 'ni' mean?
[09:33] <crimsun> pdaoust: 'night.
[09:33] <pdaoust> (I'm new to this 'Intarweb' thing)
[09:33] <pdaoust> crimsun: ah
[09:33] <pdaoust> thanky
[09:33] <crimsun> or 'morning
[09:33] <pdaoust> yeah, it's 0026 hours, for those of you who do things the military way :)
[09:33] <pdaoust> I shoulda gone to bed ages ago
[09:33] <pdaoust> see ya later folks.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:33] <melazyboy> I would agree
[09:33] <melazyboy> nopix is wonderfull
[09:33] <melazyboy> start it, kill of modules untill shit breaks
[09:33] <king_arthur> pdaoust: so a matter of may be just clever German tuning of opensource s/w
[09:33] <melazyboy> Thats the module im missing!!!
[09:33] <melazyboy> excelent way to get stuff done
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: that's my guess. Some people will say that the distro isn't important; it's the technology behind it -- but some distros are just better for certain things out of the box
[09:33] <pdaoust> anyway, I'm gonna fall unconscious and slide off my chair prtty soon...
[09:33] <melazyboy> I agree, knopix is good for popping in a CD and having the question "will this work with less than 100hrs of labor" answered instantly, if it doesn't work on knopix chances are your better off buying new equipment
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> use Bea linux :P
[09:33] <Treenaks> melazyboy: that's why the Ubuntu Live CD rocks :)
[09:33] <Treenaks> hm.. I know the local PC store owners.. I might give them a few Ubuntu discs (and buy a working webcam: tested with the live CD :))
[09:33] <zenwhen> Bea linux LMAO
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> you gotta keep one cd Treenaks!
[09:33] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I know :)
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> you can always hand out Bea Linux cds?
[09:33] <melazyboy> Treenaks: While i would handsdown give ubuntu the 'best all around' os, i would still have to handle net compatibility to knopix, thats all they do..
[09:33] <melazyboy> Anyway im off to bed if anyone has anything important im on aim or whatever othr im network
[09:33] <melazyboy> tomorrow is saturday... still no work, muahah
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> on AIM?
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> what do we use? meboredboy?
[09:34] <melazyboy> close,
[09:34] <melazyboy> bet you can get it on your second guess =)
[09:34] <albert> pdaoust> this is king?arthur on ubuntu :=)
[09:34] <albert> jsut getting used to different keyboard
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> mehatebealinux?
[09:35] <albert> some minor tweaks for the interface
[09:35] <melazyboy> Not enogh hate to waste it with a distro of linux =/
[09:35] <melazyboy> ill use it more constructivly in the real world
[09:35] <albert> btw how do I change nick on a irc channel
[09:36] <melazyboy> type /nick name
[09:36] <melazyboy> where name is what you want
[09:36] <melazyboy> assuming you are using irc2, bitchx or irssi =/
[09:36] <albert> X-chat
[09:36] <melazyboy> probably the same
[09:37] <albert> but /nick didnt work
[09:37] <melazyboy> it seems to be an unspoke client standard, /nick or /name, /leave or /part, /join, /server
[09:37] <melazyboy> they aren't to creative.. /whois /who /ban /kick
[09:38] <albert> noluck
[09:38] <melazyboy> ... having a hard time believing both /nick and /name
[09:38] <melazyboy> didn't work
[09:38] <jirwin> hello
[09:39] <melazyboy> ,,,
[09:39] <jirwin> I am having trouble getting postgres support for php with apache2 using synaptic
[09:40] <jirwin> I was curious if someone could point me in the right direction
[09:41] <jirwin> i have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4
[09:41] <jirwin> and php works
[09:50] <melazyboy> apt-cache search postgre php
[09:50] <jirwin> i have installed postgres
[09:50] <melazyboy> Im not sure, i use perl and the DBI/DBD
[09:50] <melazyboy> and mysql
[09:50] <Rod> argh I give up :0
[09:50] <jirwin> well I mean
[09:50] <Rod> I'd do better posting this on a forum, wouldnt I?
[09:50] <jirwin> php4 has a bunch of modules for it
[09:50] <jirwin> how do I get those to work with the phpmodule for apache
[09:50] <melazyboy> jirwin: I didn't think php4 had modules, i thought it just had an oversized engine =/
[09:50] <melazyboy> joking no flamewars lol
[09:50] <jirwin> heh.
[09:50] <jmhodges> woo
[09:50] <jmhodges> im back in my original ubuntu install
[09:50] <melazyboy> not sure jirwin, i would take this question to either our #php on freenode, or #php or #php-help on efnet
[09:50] <jirwin> any ideas on how to do that?
[09:50] <jirwin> oh ok thanks
[09:50] <melazyboy> sry =/
[09:50] <crimsun> Rod: what happened?
[09:50] <jmhodges> now to figure out how the heck the install cd auto-detected the other operating systems on this hard drive and how to make it "see" another partition as a part of LVM
[09:50] <Rod> pff I cant even get these binaries working crimsun
[09:50] <jmhodges> when i didnt use LVM inthe install
[09:50] <jmhodges> ok.. first things first..
[09:50] <Rod> the install goes ok.. but then i need to edit /etc/modules.conf.. but that isnt there
[09:50] <Rod> *the install of the nvidia drivers
[09:50] <jmhodges> how does Ubuntu detect the other operating systems and then auto-adds them to the grub set up?
[09:50] <calamari> hi
[09:50] <Tsjoklat> it smells it
[09:50] <calamari> when I go to uninstall some of the default apps, it also wants to uninstall ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop.  If I uninstall those will it break everything?
[09:50] <frankps> Can somebody please tell me how I can get listed optional files that I can install through apt?
[09:50] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: hehe, but i suppose i'd like to see what the sniffing software was
[09:50] <melazyboy> calamari: No but there is a logical downside
[09:50] <jmhodges> perhaps a dpkg-reconfigure would be enough
[09:50] <calamari> melazyboy: what'
[09:50] <calamari> s that?
[09:50] <melazyboy> calamari: As i see it, if you break the ubuntu-base install then when a new version of ubuntu-base is released you won't receive notification with upgrade, or dist-upgrade, because you have already removed the meta package that contains all of the ubuntu programs
[09:50] <calamari> just that I won't know which apps are ubuntu and which aren't?
[09:50] <frankps> szia Potn: Mar itt is vagy?
[09:50] <jdub> calamari: what are you removing, out of interest?
[09:50] <melazyboy> so in the event the ubuntu commity decides to remove packages, or add new packages, they will modify ubuntu-desktop to include the new definition, then when people go dist-upgrade, or upgrade, they will get the new version removing or adding the changes made to the distro, you will loose the meta package and forfit that functionality if you want it back you will have to apt-get install it manually assuming you remember
[09:50] <frankps> Mondja mar egy csatornat a hol nem vagy :-)
[09:50] <calamari> jdub: I wanted to remove a bunch of things, like emacs, vim, evolution, rhythmbox, more later
[09:50] <jirwin> hey...how would I recompile a package?
[09:50] <calamari> I didn't finish looking because I wasn't sure about the dependencies
[09:50] <spacey`ki> poor vim ;(
[09:50] <melazyboy> If you see where im going -- by my understanding other than the graphical installer, ubuntu is esentially a small debian installation with macro to apt-get a big all encompassing package, ubuntu-desktop
[09:50] <calamari> spacey`ki: time for the editor wars!
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> spacey`ki :P
[09:51] <ironwolf> any samba experts around that know how to enable "signing support" ?
[09:51] <calamari> I am actually looking for a textpad substitute
[09:51] <melazyboy> textpad is supposed to run pretty good with wine
[09:51] <melazyboy> thats my second fav, i learned vim..
[09:51] <calamari> I need an editor with the concept of virtual cursor space
[09:52] <melazyboy> like vim's visual block?
[09:52] <melazyboy> ctrl+v
[09:52] <calamari> melazyboy: hmm, maybe I'll bite the bullet and install wine then, if the universe package lists ever finish downloading :)
[09:53] <spacey`ki> melazyboy, what is that visual block?
[09:53] <ironwolf> samba? anyone?
[09:54] <spacey`ki> ironwolf, i prefer a beer;)
[09:54] <calamari> yay for uninstallable dependencies
[09:54] <melazyboy> spacey`ki: lets say you have 100lines of code, in a 'if' condiditonal, and you delete the encapsulating if statement
[09:54] <melazyboy> what do you do?
[09:55] <melazyboy> well in vim you can enter in visual mode and highlight one vertical block of tabs for 100 lines, and delete them
[09:56] <melazyboy> ... or of coarse you can run a 1,100s/^\t//;
[09:56] <jmhodges> the hell?
[09:56] <jmhodges> since when did openoffice depend on kde stuff in hoary?
[09:57] <melazyboy> jmhodges: What exactly are we talking about
[09:57] <jmhodges> eh?
[09:57] <jmhodges> hehe
[09:57] <melazyboy> jmhodges: Define 'stuff'
[09:58] <jmhodges> one sec.. jackd, kdelibs-bin etc
[09:58] <jmhodges> kdelibs-data, libarts1
[09:58] <melazyboy> I dont have kdelibs-bin installed
[09:58] <jmhodges> libjack0.80.jesus.im.not-writing-this-out
[09:59] <jmhodges> melazyboy: well, seeing as ijust updated and i had a conflict error in openoffice.org-debian-files i thought i would uninstall it and then reinstall but now its coming up with all of these new dependencies
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> lol
[09:59] <jirwin> hey...is there anyway to recompile a package installed with apt?
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> you must have enabled kde support jmhodges
[09:59] <jmhodges> ??
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> the mimelink thing
[09:59] <jmhodges> how the hell did i do that?
[09:59] <jirwin> such as compiling apache with php support
[10:00] <calamari> why doesn't the universe include libglib1.2 or libgtk1.2?  everything gnome seems to depend on them
[10:00] <Tsjoklat> ooo has a package called mimelink for use with/on kde
[10:00] <jmhodges> mimelink? there was something of that nature.. i dont know how it got there.. but i removed it
[10:00] <melazyboy> jmhodges: I already upgraded today, and when i apt-get --purge remove those pkges you just mentioned none of them list at all, never mind claiming as a dependant for openoffice, kind of odd =/
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> OpenOffice.org MIME bindings for KDE
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> OpenOffice.org is a full-featured office productivity suite that provides
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> a near drop-in replacement for Microsoft(R) Office.
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> This package contains the OpenOffice.org KDE MIME bindings for use with
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> KDE and KOffice.
[10:01] <jmhodges> i know.. i just upgraded just now however.. and iirc debian's pkgs get synced in late/early
[10:01] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: i found that, and i removed it before trying to reinstall openoffice.. the depends are the same..
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> purge it?
[10:02] <ulisse_> Hi Channel!
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> log out?
[10:02] <jmhodges> restarting synaptic..
[10:02] <jmhodges> that didnt do it
[10:02] <jmhodges> i cant purge it via synatpic oddly
[10:02] <ulisse_> someone using hoary?
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> wacky
[10:02] <Rod> thanks for the help crimsun and the other guy whom i forgot the name of :)
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges: console type dpkg -l packagename
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> what does it give you
[10:03] <ironwolf> ulisse_: I am, whatcha need?
[10:03] <ulisse_> ironwolf, since alst update (yesterday) I found changes in the "computer://" folder
[10:04] <ulisse_> it seems it is no more looking into fstab
[10:04] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: http://www.pastebin.com/123846
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> lemme look jmhodges
[10:04] <jmhodges> bah, that must be wrong
[10:04] <ulisse_> before I saw my partitions as disks, in that folder
[10:04] <jmhodges> i thought i had the name right.. thats what it shows as in synaptic
[10:04] <jmhodges> or i thought it was..
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> it's purged
[10:05] <jmhodges> yep thats what it is
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> hoary?
[10:05] <jmhodges> ok then..
[10:05] <jmhodges> yeah hoary
[10:05] <ironwolf> ulisse_: what do you see now?
[10:05] <ulisse_> but now I cannot mount my partitions with a rightclick...
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> maybe it got warped?
[10:05] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: argh..
[10:05] <jmhodges> thats what im afraid of
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> did you check bugzilla?
[10:06] <jmhodges> ill have to hope and pray that this is just a debain sync up problem
[10:06] <jmhodges> not yet
[10:06] <pepsi_> does whorey have xorg?
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> if anyone else has the same issue?
[10:06] <jmhodges> will do
[10:06] <ulisse_> I see the cdroms, the floppy, the network and the filesystem
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> whorey... lol
[10:07] <plasmo> pepsi_: yes
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Peltoilves: hoary does yes
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> we went from warts to whores
[10:07] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: not seeing it
[10:07] <melazyboy> xorg blows
[10:07] <melazyboy> xorg--
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> you could file a bug report about it... or zit it out for a tad?
[10:07] <melazyboy> and its hoary =D
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> it does melazyboy
[10:07] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: i think ill wait until tomorrow night.. and then ill freak out :)
[10:08] <pepsi_> why does everyone want xorg then?
[10:08] <jmhodges> im just hoping that this is just a sync up problem
[10:08] <ironwolf> ulisse_: that's waht I see. :( sorry
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> yeah sounds like a plan :)
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> pepsi just like everybody wants firefox: to be ubercool
[10:08] <jmhodges> pepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly
[10:08] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Because everyone has fancy nvidia cards and poor me is stuck with a puney ati =/
[10:08] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:08] <pepsi_> lol, who cares about graphics cards :P
[10:08] <jmhodges> same here.. i just gto this vid card too
[10:08] <ulisse_> ironwolf, do you have a partition that is not automatically mounted at startup?
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> I got both
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> thought ATI was the state of the art
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> paid for more the damn thing
[10:09] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:09] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Well with xfree i had 3d acceleration and the fglrx drivers =/ on xorg i have stupid 2d ati drivers that aren't 1/3 as good
[10:09] <pepsi_> i dont care about 3d
[10:09] <jmhodges> pepsi_: well, thats great for you :).. us however..
[10:09] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: bastard hehe
[10:10] <jmhodges> s/us/we/
[10:10] <melazyboy> *is jealous of Tsjoklat for having no affiliation with Texas, and owning an nvidia card*
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges sowwy :P
[10:10] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:10] <pepsi_> so 3d aside, how is xorg compared for xfree86?
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> hahahah
[10:10] <pepsi_> to
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> you're smart or you ain't :)
 pepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly
[10:10] <jmhodges> pepsi_: ^
[10:10] <pepsi_> k
[10:10] <jmhodges> its prettier, its faster, and its lighter
[10:10] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Xorg has a different license... and thats about it!!!!
[10:11] <jmhodges> and that too
[10:11] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:11] <pepsi_> ok
[10:11] <melazyboy> pepsi_: The other changes include, xfree86-4.conf -> xorg.conf
[10:11] <pepsi_> are many of you using hoary?
[10:11] <Tsjoklat> and it sucks donkey balls
[10:11] <ironwolf> ulisse_: all of mine mount correctly.
[10:11] <melazyboy> and uh .. wait thats the only other change noticable without state of the art benchmarking
[10:11] <ironwolf> pepsi_: hoary user here.
[10:11] <plasmo> pepsi_: is cokie or pepsi better? :|
[10:11] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Well phraised
[10:11] <pepsi_> coke
[10:11] <rocky_> G/day ppl
[10:11] <jmhodges> pepsi_: me, and i think this is my 2nd time of getting ever so slightly fucked by it
[10:11] <jmhodges> pepsi_: bewaaaaare!
[10:12] <plasmo> ;)
[10:12] <pepsi_> jmhodges: howso?
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> dr. Pepper
[10:12] <plasmo> rocky_: gday mate
[10:12] <ironwolf> pepsi_: it's a development release.  It's very, very fluid... sometimes that breaks things, sometimes that breaks LOTS of things.
[10:12] <jmhodges> pepsi_: for instance, a little while a go when the Ubuntu reops synced up with Debian's repos and the Deb repos had a borked sed pkg..
[10:12] <rocky_> how you doing plasmo
[10:13] <melazyboy> Yea ubuntu isn't like sid, when they say it can break, they mean it will break.
[10:13] <plasmo> good good ;)
[10:13] <melazyboy> err s/ubuntu/hoary/;
[10:13] <jmhodges> pepsi_: imagine finding out you can't install or remove anything :) but that only lasted a day..
[10:13] <pepsi_> hrm
[10:13] <Tsjoklat> hoary is worse then sid
[10:13] <jmhodges> pepsi_: things break, c'est la vie.. i like having the shiny new gaim etc
[10:13] <Tsjoklat> sid ppl wait for fixes in hoary
[10:13] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: haha, what?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> sid blokes wait for fixes in hoary before they throw it in their rep
[10:14] <pepsi_> how can i see whats all in the hoary repositories?
[10:14] <melazyboy> pepsi open up an html browser
[10:14] <melazyboy> and go it out
[10:14] <melazyboy> lol
[10:15] <ironwolf> pepsi_: hoary is like sarge+sid, mixed with a fair helping of 'experimental'
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> hoary is like sid and beyond
[10:17] <melazyboy> I would argue thats in large misleading ironwolf, because sid has packages in it that are what 2 yrs old? where as all of hoary's were built in the past month?
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> read above
[10:17] <jmhodges> hoary is like taking crack, shrooms and washing it down with a nice gulp of liquid acid
[10:17] <jmhodges> i like tossing in hyperbole
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> comes close jmhodges
[10:17] <plasmo> ^ lol
[10:17] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:18] <jmhodges> alright, 0417 and im making bad narco jokes.. time for sleep
[10:18] <jmhodges> thanks folks
[10:18] <plasmo> night
[10:19] <jmhodges> night
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> toodles jmhodges
[10:19] <Maligant> anyone know how to configure auto-login?
[10:20] <b_e_n_z> Maligant, gdmsetup
[10:21] <Maligant> Thanks benz... that was too easy
[10:21] <jmhodges> Maligant: nice gui way .. go to Computer>System Configuration>Login Screen Setup
[10:21] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges: go away :P
[10:21] <ironwolf> melazyboy: some of sid is older.  Most of experimental is fairly new.  Some of hoary is older, some is new.  The important thing is that it's a development release.  Not ready for stable/productional use.
[10:21] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: hehe, im going im going
[10:23] <melazyboy> Anyone here in houston, or texas?
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> only you melazyboy
[10:23] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Thanks self esteem is soaring..
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy sowwy.. it is Treenaks fault.. he made me type it
[10:24] <melazyboy> thats right always defer the blame
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> it is true
[10:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I did?
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks does it all
[10:24] <Treenaks> I do?
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> yes tomorrow it is iz
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: oh ok :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> and if he is MIA ... we'll take joolz
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: or tering ;)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> yes let's use tering :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> might as well :P
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> night everybody be good
[10:29] <melazyboy> no.
[10:29] <melazyboy> good night
[10:34] <calamari> ahh.. bump-media-player that's more like it.  I wish I could have it minimize to the system tray only tho.. even cd player doesn't seem to do that
[10:35] <melazyboy> mp3blaster =D
[10:36] <calamari> hehe
[10:42] <dad> good evening eneryone
[10:42] <dad> everyone ?
[10:43] <lool> _evening_ ?
[10:43] <lool> what country is this :)
[10:43] <dad> japan
[10:43] <dad> i think:)
[10:43] <lool> oh yeah sorry, should've seen that
[10:44] <dad> np
[10:44] <dad> is it ok to ask a question?
[10:45] <dad> oh well  - ummm force monitor refresh rate in XF84Conf
[10:46] <dad> stuck at 60 but want 70
[10:50] <dad> hmm bit like fishing lol
[10:54] <dad> anyone know if a single setting of 70  instead of 30-80 for refresh rate in XF86Conf will force refresh rate or not?
[11:04] <timo> does anybody know how to install the distutils for ptyhon-2.3.4 ?
[11:07] <timo> i get the following error: AttributeError: DistributionMetadata instance has no attribute 'get___doc__'
[11:07] <Kamion> timo: install the python-dev package
[11:08] <timo> yes i tried that
[11:08] <timo> but its not listed in synaptic
[11:13] <the_stick> Aaaah
[11:13] <the_stick> I just installed ubuntu , how do I change the res+refresh rate ?
[11:13] <the_stick> btw .. it looks awesome
[11:14] <Kamion> timo: python2.3-dev?
[11:15] <Kamion> timo: it's probably not on the CD
[11:15] <the_stick> huh ?
[11:15] <the_stick> oh
[11:15] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[11:15] <Kamion> hi fabio
[11:15] <fabbione> Kamion: you have plenty of nice udebs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[11:15] <Kamion> hooray
[11:16] <Kamion> nice work
[11:16] <timo> its not on the cd and i didnt find it on the packet sources
[11:16] <fabbione> Kamion: let see if they work first :-)
[11:16] <Kamion> python-dev | 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 |         warty | all
[11:16] <Kamion> definitely in warty
[11:16] <the_stick> can someone please help me ? *_*
[11:16] <Kamion> timo: for hoary we've moved distutils into the main python package
[11:16] <timo> which packet source do i need???
[11:17] <timo> warty -> hoary?
[11:17] <Kamion> no, warty should be just fine
[11:17] <Kamion> you need 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main'
[11:17] <timo> so hoary is the upcoming release?
[11:17] <Kamion> yes, April 2005
[11:17] <timo> ok thx i'll try that
[11:17] <Kamion> it's still kind of flaky sometimes
[11:18] <the_stick> it says my monitor can handle only 60hz @ 1024x768/
[11:19] <the_stick> can you read this ?
[11:21] <fabbione> Kamion: i am off for a while.. let me know (via email) if something is broken
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: i will be able to look at them tomorrow or max monday
[11:22] <Kamion> fabbione: ok; may not be around much myself today, though
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: eheh don't worry
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: if there are problems, i want to get them fixed before i start working on 2.6.9
[11:25] <timo> Kamion: when searching for "python-dev" i only get the match "libboost-python-dev"
[11:29] <Kamion> timo: it's definitely there; try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-dev' at a terminal
[11:31] <timo> ok i'll do
[11:33] <timo> Kamion: thx a lot, now its downloading at least :> but im sure it was not listed in synaptic..
[11:33] <Kamion> did you hit "Reload" in synaptic after editing repositories?
[11:33] <timo> no.. but it restarted the whole synaptics many times
[11:34] <timo> or wasnt that enough?
[11:35] <CardinalSin> hi all.
[11:35] <timo> Kamion: yes, that was my fault.. after hitting the reload button it suddenly appeared
[11:36] <Kamion> restarting isn't enough, indeed; reload is the equivalent of 'apt-get update'
[11:36] <CardinalSin> newish Ubuntu user question. can i run "nautilus --no-desktop --browser" as root (or sudo)? if so how?
[11:36] <timo> but woudnt it be kind of more user-friendly if restarting would be combined with offering a reload?
[11:37] <CardinalSin> i don't want to have to open a root terminal every time.
[11:38] <Kamion> timo: reload is expensive, particularly over dialup
[11:38] <Kamion> timo: there'd be a riot if dialup users had to fetch the Packages files every time they started synaptic
[11:38] <Kamion> although *offer* a reload, maybe; dunno ...
[11:39] <Matt|> hi there. I'm a bit unfamiliar with apt. Can someone help me out? Is there a utility for removing unneeded dependencies? So, after installing a package which has required 5 dependencies, after removing that package, how can I remove the unwanted dependencies?
[11:40] <timo> no, not a forced reload every startup, but a dialog telling the user that his package list could be out of date or something
[11:40] <Matt|> ?
[11:41] <Kamion> Matt|: deborphan
[11:41] <Kamion> Matt|: aptitude can do it too, if you always installed packages with aptitude
[11:41] <Matt|> Kamion, ok thanks, I don't have that package but I will look for it
[11:41] <Matt|> no i don't use aptitude
[11:42] <lifeless> ah, so ... use aptitude :) did you know it can be run like apt - that is aptitude install foo'
[11:42] <Matt|> yes
[11:42] <Matt|> but i use synaptic ;p
[11:43] <RubenV> are these invalid module format errors on ndiswrapper normal?
[11:43] <RubenV> or should i lock my version to .10
[11:43] <Matt|> has anyone tried the new kernel image btw?
[11:43] <RubenV> Matt|: just installed it
[11:43] <RubenV> not yet booted
[11:43] <Matt|> me neither
[11:43] <RubenV> seems like lots of minor fixes
[11:43] <RubenV> nothing big
[11:44] <Matt|> :(
[11:44] <Matt|> you've had a look at the changelog?
[11:44] <RubenV> looks like lots of sparc stuff
[11:44] <Matt|> :(
[11:44] <Matt|> anything to acpi?
[11:44] <RubenV> (quick look though)
[11:45] <RubenV> lemme see
[11:45] <RubenV> mostly sparc stuff
[11:49] <Matt|> Kamion, when  run deborphan with no flags it lists some packages which seem important. Does it literally mean that nothing depends on those packages it lists?
[11:49] <Kamion> Matt|: what packages?
[11:49] <Matt|> a number of gstreamer packages
[11:49] <Matt|> i don't know if i use them or not
[11:49] <Kamion> Matt|: yes, I don't believe deborphan will ever list a package that is depended on by something installed
[11:49] <tensor> heya! can i view divx movies with the totem movie player? are there divx codecs for ubuntu?
[11:50] <Kamion> Matt|: if you aren't sure it might be better to leave them installed
[11:50] <Matt|> yeah probably :)
[11:50] <Matt|> what about libgtkhtml2-0?
[11:50] <Matt|> sounds important ;)
[11:51] <Kamion> Matt|: if you mean the new kernel image in hoary, it shouldn't change anything from a user point of view
[11:51] <Matt|> Kamion, k
[11:51] <Matt|> yeah i did mean that
[11:51] <faisal> how do I mount my other NTFS and windows partitions in linux ?
[11:51] <Kamion> 'apt-cache showpkg libgtkhtml2-0' will tell you reverse-deps
[11:52] <faisal> I'm pasting from the root window
[11:52] <Kamion> although I think that includes uninstalled packages
[11:52] <faisal> root@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc1
[11:52] <faisal> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:52] <Matt|> faisal, it's mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc# /mnt_point, but do it with care because you could destroy the windows partition if you try and write to it
[11:52] <Kamion> faisal: pmount /dev/hdc1
[11:53] <Kamion> you don't need to be root for that
[11:53] <faisal> ok
[11:53] <Matt|> i would suggest making it read only tho
[11:53] <Kamion> true, pmount doesn't let you pass options and always mounts rw
[11:53] <Matt|> or has ntfs support got better in linux now?
[11:53] <faisal> root@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc1
[11:53] <faisal> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:54] <Kamion> so 'sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /some/directory'
[11:54] <Kamion> faisal: you didn't read carefully
[11:54] <Kamion> but sorry, pmount won't work on a non-removable device, so ignore me
[11:55] <faisal> sorry i tried that
[11:56] <Matt|> faisal, as kamion says, try the command "sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows"
[11:56] <Matt|> faisal, you have to make the directory /mnt/windows first if you don't have it
[11:56] <faisal> oh
[11:56] <Matt|> Kamion, sorry to tap off your apt knowledge, but how can I use apt-cache to search which packages I have installed?
[11:58] <Matt|> and if I do an apt-cache rdepends libgtkhtml2-0, are the packages its showing me ones which i have installed, or are they just all the packages which might depend on it
[11:58] <Kamion> "how can I use my coffee machine to make tea?" :-)
[11:58] <Kamion> try 'dpkg -l'
[11:58] <Matt|> k
[11:58] <Matt|> coffee machines make tea... and hot chocolate... and soup, some of them
[11:58] <Kamion> apt-cache rdepends is showing all reverse-dependencies it knows about, not necessarily just installed ones
[11:59] <Matt|> yeah ok cool
[11:59] <Matt|> right I'm getting there
[11:59] <Matt|> Kamion, thanks for ya help
[12:01] <Matt|> Kamion, is there a command which removes all orphaned packages? a really unsafe command...
[12:03] <Matt|> Kamion, ok i see it, don't worry
[12:06] <faisal> how do i get into my root asccount in ubuntu?
[12:06] <Matt|> faisal, you use sudo to get temporary root privileges
[12:06] <mjr> I believe that's a faq
[12:07] <faisal> sorry
[12:07] <Matt|> mjr, i believe this is a help channel
[12:07] <Matt|> faisal, type "sudo" before commands when you need to be root
[12:07] <faisal> at 60hz, xchat black window is the only bearable window
[12:07] <faisal> ok
[12:08] <faisal> how do i stop x server ?
[12:09] <mjr> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:09] <Matt|> faisal, log out, then do CTRL ALT F1, then log in to the console, and stop gdm
[12:09] <faisal> <-- will stop askinfg Q's when the nvidia driver is installed
[12:09] <faisal> ok
[12:09] <faisal> thanks
[12:09] <mjr> (with sudo)
[12:11] <jind> How do I uninstall a deb package?
[12:11] <Matt|> apt-get remove package is nice
[12:11] <jind> Thanks :)
[12:11] <jind> Checkinstall is nice too ;)
[12:12] <jind> hmm, it's a locally installed package
[12:12] <calamari> if I want to add something to the PATH globally, what file does it go in?
[12:12] <jind> Isn't apt-get only for remetly fetched packages?
[12:14] <ctd> jind: apt-get remove applies for all installed debs
[12:14] <Matt|> is it not working?
[12:15] <calamari> nm
[12:15] <jind> ctd, thanks :)
[12:19] <Vince-0> calamari - u find that file ?
[12:21] <zopy> is it possible to add by default Gartoon Icons => http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php ?
[12:22] <zopy> or you want to make your own ?
[12:22] <ctd> bob2: How does one usually change consoles on this hardware?
[12:23] <Vince-0> no idea
[12:26] <bob2> ctd: change consoles?
[12:27] <bob2> like chvt?
[12:27] <the_stick> Linux is tough
[12:27] <the_stick> lot's of new stuff to learn o_O
[12:27] <bob2> well, if you haven't used it before
[12:27] <bob2> windows is confusing to me after not using it for years
[12:27] <the_stick> i used SuSe
[12:28] <the_stick> for a day
[12:28] <the_stick> very slow and unstable
[12:28] <bob2> it shouldn't be, don't forget to file bugs!
[12:28] <the_stick> but this ubuntu this is very fast
[12:28] <the_stick> thing*
[12:28] <the_stick> really nice to use too
[12:28] <the_stick> gnome > KDE
[12:28] <the_stick> imo
[12:28] <plasmo> D:
[12:29] <altorus> hi, and is anyone familiar with the powernow daemon in here?
[12:29] <altorus> its running on the default runlevel, but would like to change it from active to passive, it scales too quickly
[12:30] <altorus> the init script tells me to creaate /etc/default/powernowd for custom options, but i'm unsure of the format
[12:30] <ctd> bob2: virtual terminals
[12:30] <zopy> is there another url for humanxmms because this failed http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/
[12:30] <bob2> ctd: chvt
[12:30] <zopy> ?
[12:31] <ctd> uh?
[12:33] <zopy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409 xmms skins
[12:33] <Vince-0> what Gfx cards u guyz running ?
[12:33] <zopy> this work http://www.xwebnet.com/files/HumanXMMS-0.2.tar.bz2 cool
[12:34] <zopy> Matrox G400
[12:34] <tolle> are there any easy to use graphical networksetting program that works, some dude needs one and he is 200km from here so i cant realy help him.
[12:36] <tolle> ah it worked out, he was messing with the wrong networkinterface
[12:36] <the_stick> Evolution Mail is pretty slick
[12:36] <Rene_S> Is there a way to make application cover a panel ?
[12:39] <bob2> ctd: to change from one virtual terminal to another, use chvt
[12:39] <bob2> tho I think I don't get your question
[12:40] <Matt|> what is the best way to backup my home directory?
[12:41] <bob2> rsync it to another machine
[12:41] <daniels> ctd: are you talking about the fact you can't do ctrl-alt-f1 or such with the ibook?
[12:41] <bob2> ah
[12:41] <Matt|> bob2, i was gonna compress it first if poss
[12:41] <Matt|> then i'll copy it to another machine
[12:42] <altorus> any laptop/powernowd users at all?
[12:42] <bob2> rsync compresses
[12:42] <Matt|> bob2, how does it work?
[12:42] <Matt|> i need a server on the other machine?
[12:42] <faisal> with which app do I open .deb files ?
[12:42] <Vince-0> <R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?
[12:42] <RubenV> altorus: full time laptop user here
[12:42] <bob2> altorus: did you readf the man page?
[12:42] <RubenV> lot's of em i think
[12:43] <altorus> Yes i did, it doesn't give details as to the syntax of the debian specific optional config file
[12:43] <bob2> Matt|: no, it can work over ssh
[12:43] <Fwiffo> faisal: What are you trying to accomplish?
[12:43] <Matt|> bob2, ok that's good. How do i get it working?
[12:44] <bob2> altorus: sure it can take a config file at all?
[12:44] <bob2> (the man page doesn't seem to say so)
[12:44] <altorus> from the init script : # create the file /etc/default/powernowd if you want to override the value of
[12:44] <altorus> # variable OPTIONS and change the default behavior of the daemon as launched
[12:44] <bob2> Matt|: rsync -a -z -vv --partial /home/blah/ you@remote:/home/blah/backup/
[12:44] <Matt|> wow
[12:44] <altorus> it defaults to aggressive, which is too much on this machine would prefer passive
[12:44] <bob2> altorus: oh, yeah, that's just to override command line options
[12:45] <bob2> altorus: you can just edit /etc/init.d/powernowd
[12:45] <altorus> bob2, yep, thats where i figured setting a different mode would happen :)
[12:45] <altorus> i didn't see any mode settings in there, it just uses the default
[12:45] <faisal> Fwiffo,  I want to install bittorrent
[12:45] <bob2> altorus: or make a file called /etc/default/powernowd with the words: OPTIONS="-m2"
[12:45] <bob2> faisal: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[12:45] <bob2> faisal: but bittorrent is in ubuntu...
[12:45] <altorus> bob2, thatnks thats the kind of syntax i was after :D
[12:46] <bob2> altorus: erm, how do you mean?
[12:46] <Fwiffo> faisal: yes, my advice is to use what's in the repositories
[12:46] <faisal> it is o_O
[12:46] <faisal> ok
[12:46] <bob2> altorus: it's how you set settings for powernowd
[12:46] <Vince-0> <R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?
[12:46] <altorus> as in the syntax for that actual file, thru /etc/defaults its kinda all over the place
[12:46] <bob2> Vince-0: it's best to just ask your question
[12:46] <altorus> a lot of it being program specific
[12:46] <Vince-0> bob2 - thats just my question
[12:47] <bob2> altorus: everything I know of in /etc/default/ are shell scripts that get sources
[12:47] <bob2> Vince-0: lots of people are using it
[12:47] <Vince-0> kk kewl
[12:47] <Matt|> bob2, wow rsync is clever. How can i compress the stuff?
[12:47] <bob2> Matt|: -z says use compression
[12:47] <altorus> nope still aggressive.
[12:47] <bob2> altorus: did you restart it?
[12:47] <Matt|> bob2, kthx
[12:47] <Fwiffo> faisal: fwiw Azerus should be a good client for torrents
[12:47] <Vince-0> Bitcommet is the best client
[12:48] <Fwiffo> ok
[12:48] <altorus> bob2, yep, just rereading the initscript, see if it gives any hinters
[12:48] <bob2> 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec $DAEMON -- $OPTIONS >/dev/null 2>&1'
[12:49] <bob2> you really just need to set $OPTIONS
[12:49] <Matt|> bob2, its working thanks a million you rock
[12:49] <altorus> ./powernowd
[12:49] <altorus>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/powernowd {start|stop|restart|force-reload}
[12:49] <altorus> no options specified.
[12:49] <bob2> erm
[12:50] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd restart
[12:50] <altorus> still too used to the gentoo way of doing things :
[12:50] <altorus> :| rather
[12:53] <altorus> woops, the dreaded G word - hehe
[12:56] <jind> Can anybody recommend a gnome frontend to mplayer for me?
[12:56] <jind> Preferably something in the repositories
[12:57] <Vince-0> dunno
[12:57] <Vince-0> sorry
[12:57] <ctd_> Any particular reason it would be for mplayer?
[12:58] <echylo> hi have a question
[12:58] <echylo> just reinstalled ubuntu, from shipped cd
[12:58] <altorus> jind, is gmplayer in the reps?  it /should/ be a part of the standard mplayer package
[12:58] <echylo> now I want to mount my ntfs & fat partitions
[12:58] <echylo> but it says its not supported by kernel
[12:58] <Vince-0> echylo
[12:59] <echylo> that's me yes..
[12:59] <Vince-0> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdXx /mnt/xxx
[12:59] <echylo> did that :)
[12:59] <echylo> ntfs is not supported by kernel
[12:59] <Vince-0> hmm
[12:59] <bob2> echylo: what does "uname -r" print out?
[12:59] <echylo> and in the previous it was
[12:59] <bob2> it really is supported by the kernel
[12:59] <Vince-0>  Imounted ntfs
[01:00] <echylo> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[01:00] <Fwiffo> echylo: sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:00] <bob2> echylo: and what *exactly* are you running?
[01:00] <echylo> ?
[01:00] <jind> gmplayer is installed be not working
[01:00] <echylo> exactly?
[01:00] <echylo> ubuntu 4.10?
[01:00] <bob2> what is the exact command line you're using
[01:00] <jind> /s/be/but
[01:00] <Fwiffo> echylo: yes, that will load the needed kernel module
[01:01] <echylo> doesn't work Fwiffo
[01:01] <bob2> I'm 99% certain mount will load the module automagically
[01:01] <echylo> ow it does
[01:01] <bob2> show us the exact command you're running
[01:01] <echylo> w8
[01:01] <bob2> "wait"?
[01:01] <echylo> yes
[01:01] <Fwiffo> well I had that problem once and loading the module manually fixed it :/
[01:01] <echylo> ok it works now
[01:01] <echylo> thanks
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, rsync has not worked properly: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)
[01:03] <bob2> erm
[01:03] <bob2> does it happen if you try again?
[01:03] <bob2> what if you add another -v?
[01:03] <Vince-0> Q! - has any1 had issies with apt -get fglrx and AMD64 ? > *
[01:03] <Matt|> ok i'll try but it will take a while
[01:03] <Vince-0> issues*
[01:04] <bob2> Vince-0: you can just use normal english in here, you don't need to prefix or suffix questions with random characters
[01:04] <Vince-0> I will do that bob
[01:04] <bob2> Matt|: it should be very quicdk, it won't transfer anything that hasn't had it's mtime change
[01:04] <Matt|> oh shit
[01:04] <Kamion> Vince-0: they're only supported on i386 at the moment
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, too late for that, i've already deleted the remote dir
[01:05] <bob2> Matt|: gah
[01:05] <Vince-0> i emailed ATI - chooned them to make a working driver for us 64bitters
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, ;) i'll be back soon
[01:05] <daniels> emailing ATI won't help, I'm afraid
[01:05] <Matt|> Vince-0, that's not gonna do any good
[01:05] <Vince-0> yar I know , its all I can do
[01:05] <Matt|> they don't listen to 17000 strong petitions
[01:06] <Vince-0> well then I am stuck with 2d
[01:07] <Matt|> :(
[01:11] <Vince-0> what kewl stuff have u guyz accomlished in Ubunt ?
[01:11] <Vince-0> I wanna replace my winXp
[01:11] <Matt|> Vince-0, you've got 3d graphics in winxp i guess
[01:12] <Matt|> if you play games and stuff i guess you should keep windoze
[01:12] <Vince-0> Matt| : indeed I do - the first thing stoping me from migrating
[01:12] <Matt|> Vince-0, or you could buy a new video card i guess ;)
[01:12] <Vince-0> Matt| : nought , thats not an option
[01:12] <Matt|> k
[01:13] <Vince-0> Matt| : what u doin about it ?
[01:13] <Matt|> about what?
[01:13] <RubenV> errr
[01:13] <RubenV> the point is more: do you need 3D in linux,
[01:13] <Matt|> RubenV, sure you do
[01:13] <Vince-0> yeah u do
[01:14] <RubenV> Matt|: I haven't seen much 3D on my desktop yet :)
[01:14] <bob2> not everyone does
[01:14] <Vince-0> well, get Cedega and Doom3
[01:14] <bob2> I had some silly geforce2 for years and never used 3d on it
[01:14] <Matt|> RubenV, i haven't seen much X on my desktop yet
[01:14] <bob2> unrelated to the fact the silly binary drivers oopsed my machine
[01:14] <Matt|> but if you wanna play games...
[01:15] <Matt|> ok bob2 same rsync error
[01:15] <RubenV> games can be missed
[01:15] <Vince-0> indeed i wanna jamsom games
[01:15] <Vince-0> well I donRubenV : so then u got a serverbx ?
[01:16] <RubenV> Vince-0: ??
[01:16] <Matt|> bob2, here is the error (3 lines)
[01:16] <Matt|> total size is 559062878  speedup is 3808.67
[01:16] <Matt|> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)
[01:16] <Matt|> _exit_cleanup(code=0, file=main.c, line=702): about to call exit(23)
[01:16] <bob2> RubenV: he's saying "so you don't play games, you must only have a server?"
[01:16] <Vince-0> RubenV : if u dont use 3D then u running services - dont u get bored ?
[01:16] <bob2> Matt|: erm, I don't know, that's odd
[01:17] <RubenV> I have a desktop (which I don't use) and a laptop
[01:17] <RubenV> why would i get bored?
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: maybe you don't have read permissions on some of the files?
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, remote dir: 564360  kallisto_backup/
[01:17] <dad> can anyone give me a clue as to how to change refresh rate from 60hz on a G4 tower?
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, must be yeah
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: hm, stuff like ~/.aptitude is owned by root
[01:17] <Kamion> Vince-0: plenty of non-3D games out there
[01:17] <RubenV> computers can do more then just gaming :)
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: you could run rsync with sudo I guess
[01:17] <zombics> after i installed the nvidia-glx i tryed to run X. i got this error: failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!  what can i do?
[01:17] <RubenV> Kamion: I don't play games at all
[01:17] <RubenV> :)
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, will it maintain the owners and permissions?
[01:17] <Kamion> RubenV: yeah, *even* for gamers though
[01:17] <Vince-0> Kamion : hehe - yar - but .... 3d common man - its imperrative
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: yes
[01:18] <dad> ouch zombics:(
[01:18] <RubenV> When i get bored, I try to find stuff to put in the bugzilla :D
[01:18] <Kamion> Vince-0: *shrug* I play games and none of them are 3D
[01:18] <Matt|> bob2, ok so would you recommend running it with sudo?
[01:18] <Matt|> Kamion, tuxracer man
[01:18] <Matt|> :p
[01:18] <zombics> dad, dont like the sound of that :\
[01:18] <Matt|> bob2, the alternative i changing the permissions on the local home dir ;)
[01:18] <Vince-0> Lets just say, W/o drivers my srnsavers jolt
[01:18] <bob2> zombics: load the module
[01:18] <dad> oh ok  sorry cant help you then?
[01:18] <bob2> zombics: "sudo modprobe nvidia", then add it to /etc/moduleses
[01:19] <CraHan[zZz] > good morning everyone
[01:19] <Vince-0> good morning, what country u in ?
[01:19] <dad> good evening crahan
[01:19] <CraHan> Belgium :)