[12:01] <mjc> I'm playing with serel also
[12:04] <|QuaD-> tseng: cool :)
[12:05] <tseng> DV commited a inotify patch, its supposed to pass the regression tests now
[12:06] <|QuaD-> dv?
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  need any info on bug #9723?
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> It's gonna be a bitch of a problem, because I've had it reported to me by a few users who have gentoo or ubuntu on the same exact model that the stuff that's broke for me actually works
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> :(
[12:16] <fabbione> bluefoxicy: probably.. i didn't look at it yet
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> ah, 'cause it's assigned to you :)
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> I should get best buy to support linux
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> "Log onto STAR and see what the problem was"  ". . . customer could not operate USB camera."  "Resolution?"  "No drivers for camera, data gathered, dmesg logs shipped to bugzilla of distro and to LKML"
[12:19] <mjc> anyone have a serel package?
[12:21] <fabbione> bluefoxicy: yes... it's assigned to me, but i have been awake for 20 hours and i am too tired to think straight right now
[12:21] <bluefoxicy> alright, tomorrow then.
[12:21] <fabbione> good night
[12:21] <ogra> night fabbione
[12:27] <mvo> elmo: can you please sync findutils?
[12:27] <mjc> tseng, pkg-mono thinks I'm building 1.0.5 but I'm building 1.1.6
[12:32] <zyga> re
[12:39] <CarlK> should I bugzilla this?  nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
[12:40] <zyga> CarlK: what are you mounting? I've seen the same message flood my logs
[12:41] <mjc> edited the changelog and removed the patches in the patch dir
[12:41] <mjc> seems to be running currently
[12:42] <CarlK> 3 day old ubuntu box is the client, 4 year old 2.4.9-ac7  NFS server
[12:43] <CarlK> is the current ubuntu still called hoary, or did that go away when it went... um... stable?
[12:43] <zyga> CarlK: similar setup, I've got 2.4.26 slack
[12:43] <ogra> CarlK, the name stays...even if its dead in 18 months ;)
[12:44] <CarlK> groovy
[12:44] <ogra> like wartys name does...
[12:44] <CarlK> oh yeah...
[12:46] <CarlK> ok, hoary boxes on both sides, still get "nfs warning: mount version older than kernel"
[12:47] <CarlK> hmm, one is still from beta
[12:58] <ogra> hmm, amu ?
[01:00] <trulux> any python hacker around?
[01:01] <ajmitch_> trulux: what's needed?
[01:01] <trulux> ajmitch: you're going to reveal my surprises for Breezy.... a port of redhat-config-* tools to Ubuntu
[01:01] <trulux> of course not those who do ame job as current ones in the gst packages
[01:02] <ajmitch_> trulux: well you're the one who revealed it ;)
[01:03] <trulux> ajmitch: I just mean that you were making me *revealing* it, and no, this is not intended to be sent to bash.org
[01:03] <|QuaD-> i think i am missing something in this conversation, i am not understanding anything
[01:03] <ajmitch_> |QuaD-: don't worry
[01:06] <trulux> ajmitch: yeah, it's not my best day
[01:06] <trulux> just I need to sleep
[01:08] <trulux> CarlK: haha
[01:10] <trulux>   File "/home/lorenzo/proyectos/ubuntu/redhat-logviewer/src/LogBuffer.py", line 117, in insert_into_buffer_at_offset
[01:10] <trulux>     theiconv = iconv_codec.open(self.codeset, 'iso-8859-1')
[01:10] <trulux> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open'
[01:14] <ajmitch_> trulux: want me to take a look? :)
[01:14] <trulux> ajmitch: only if you don't have other things to do
[01:15] <trulux> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/redhat-logviewer.html
[01:28] <doko> good morning all
[01:29] <Mithrandir> hi doko
[01:29] <Mithrandir> you're in .au now?
[01:30] <doko> yes, arrived two hours ago
[01:30] <ajmitch_> morning doko
[01:32] <ajmitch_> trulux: seems to have changed in the cvs version
[01:32] <doko> pitti, mvo, seb128: still around?
[01:44] <mjc> hmm, how do I go about turning off gpg checking for a certain repo? the meeby mono repo has no gpg, I don't think
[01:45] <schweeb> mjc: check the apt manpage/documentation
[01:47] <mjc> haven't found anything
[01:48] <mjc> ah here
[01:48] <mjc> /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
[01:51] <mjc> hmm still nothing to turn off stuff
[01:56] <ogra> doko, they're all packing their bags ;)
[01:56] <ajmitch> ogra: when do you fly out?
[01:57] <ogra> tomorrow night
[01:57] <ogra> 5 to 12 :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> fun :)
[01:57] <ogra> yeah
[01:57] <schweeb> it's either gonna be really dead in here the next couple weeks, or really really busy :)
[01:58] <ogra> schweeb, at least in the UdU week we'll have net access...
[01:58] <schweeb> :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> thankfully
[01:58] <ogra> so we'll be around from time to time:)
[01:58] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, dont forget that
[02:00] <zul> its going to be dead because everyone is going to be on airline flights
[02:00] <schweeb> I'll be stuck here!
[02:01] <ogra> yeah, you fly two days from here :)
[02:01] <schweeb> but I can't IRC from work anymore :(
[02:01] <zul> how come?
[02:01] <schweeb> it just got blocked
[02:01] <ogra> even if its only 22h i start here at sat. and arrive on mon.
[02:01] <ogra> weird TZ crossing ;)
[02:01] <zul> bloody long flight
[02:01] <schweeb> I gotta figure out something to do while I work at Chrysler... there are proxies, but I just have to find them
[02:02] <ogra> zul, i'm a strong smoker....
[02:02] <ogra> i'll die i guess
[02:02] <zul> heh...cant smoke on airplanes
[02:02] <schweeb> haha
[02:02] <schweeb> you're screwed
[02:02] <ogra> yep
[02:02] <schweeb> it's a good time to start the quitting process!
[02:03] <zul> or smoke a lot before going on the airplane
[02:03] <schweeb> could just buy some patches
[02:03] <ogra> thats the idea....
[02:03] <zul> that isnt any fun
[02:03] <ogra> nope, but better then going mad
[02:03] <zul> id pay to see that
[02:04] <ogra> zul, sorry, no videocam :)
[02:04] <zul> dang
[02:04] <schweeb> yea, I'd like to see him go off on a stewardess
[02:04] <ogra> i'd tape it for you, really
[02:04] <ogra> lol
[02:04] <zul> i puked on a stewardess once
[02:04] <schweeb> "my beer is warm, bitch!"
[02:04] <zul> when i was a kid...probably too much info
[02:04] <schweeb> hehe
[02:04] <ogra> *g*
[02:07] <zul> eww...why am i listening to dr dre
[02:08] <schweeb> good question.
[02:09] <mjc> http://325i.org/media/bootcharts/
[02:09] <mjc> my bootcharts still stink
[02:13] <zul> nah...iron maiden
[02:18] <mjc> mono-1.1.6 doesn't build on amd64. poo
[02:19] <schweeb> really?  I thought they touted that it actually worked on amd64
[02:19] <schweeb> if I read the release notes right
[02:22] <mjc> using buildpackage
[02:22] <mjc> soemthing's possibly not right with the configuration stuffs
[02:27] <mjc> anyone doing boot process speedup stuff around?
[04:15] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> queuetue, #ubuntu for help please
[04:17] <queuetue> Actually, I tried there first, and I thought it might take someone at the developer level  to answer the question...  But if it's not possible to get help here, I'll go elsewhere.
[04:19] <Mithrandir> when the kernel has started loading or at the grub stage?
[04:20] <queuetue> Mithrandir, After loading - Immediately after "starting Ubuntu" or "Welcome to Ubuntu"... Forget exact string.
[04:21] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:21] <Mithrandir> sounds like a kernel bug.
[04:21] <Mithrandir> what kind of motherboard do you have?
[04:22] <queuetue> MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI
[04:23] <queuetue> (It's Nforce 4 SLI based, if that helps)
[04:23] <Mithrandir> hmm
[04:24] <Mithrandir> others report they have it working "with a little work", which can mean _anything_
[04:25] <queuetue> Mithrandir, WHat direction would that work take?  I don't mind experimenting, but I'm at a loss as to where I should even start.
[04:25] <Mithrandir> queuetue: I'd try booting with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic and any combination of those
[04:26] <Mithrandir> also, does the 32 bit live CD work?
[04:26] <queuetue> Mithrandir, I don't have on on hand, and no cd-burner (excet the one on the MSI) so I can't check atm.
[04:29] <queuetue> All three does not do it...  If all three do not fix it, is there valeu in trying other combos?
[04:33] <Mithrandir> not really :/
[04:34] <Mithrandir> I'm leaving for Australia in a couple of minutes, so I can't really help you more; sorry.
[04:34] <queuetue> Mithrandir, Ok, can you point me towards some topics to research?  (if not, good trip!)
[04:34] <Mithrandir> queuetue: I think there might be some stuff on the wiki -- wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:34] <Mithrandir> sorry about not being more specific.
[04:34] <daniels> in general, nforce4 seems to be fine
[04:35] <daniels> i've never had a problem with my nf4-sli board
[04:36] <queuetue> daniels, Would it matter that this is an install that started on 32-bit and then the disks were migrated?
[04:36] <queuetue> I thought AMD64 was back-compatable...
[04:39] <daniels> it is in theory
[04:39] <daniels> i've never tried it
[04:40] <queuetue> daniels, Any way  you can think of for me to install a "proper" amd64 kernel withotu being able to boot (although can access disks fine from DSL)
[04:41] <queuetue> Could I just chroot an use apt?
[04:41] <daniels> yeah, you could just chroot
[04:42] <queuetue> How do people even *work* on windows machines? :)
[04:42] <queuetue> The lack of flexibility mus be stifling.
[04:43] <zenwhen> queuetue, if you were born in a ten foot room and never left it, you would be satisfied with your situation.
[04:44] <zenwhen> as such windows users who have never tried an open source operating system are also satisfied.
[04:44] <zenwhen> the literally don't know they are constrained.
[04:49] <queuetue> Ok, the chroot has worked - do I need to switch repositories?  I'm not sure how to "do 64" on ubuntu...
[06:25] <erich> Any hints on how to get Java 1.5 working again?
[06:42] <cc> has anyone here successfully compiled qemu with gcc4? are there required patches, and if so, would love to be pointed to them; thanks
[07:22] <fabbione> morning
[07:27] <robitaille> good evening!  it has been very quiet around here tonight
[08:25] <pitti> *wave*
[08:26] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[08:26] <pitti> hey ajmitch
[09:34] <zyga> hey everyone :)
[09:35] <robitaille> hi!
[09:35] <zyga> wow, new firefox security edition is out
[09:35] <zyga> 1.0.3
[09:37] <robitaille> a new firefox means a lot of questions in the mailing list:  "where is Firefox 1.0.3 in Hoary?".  Similar to Warty and Firefox 1.0
[09:39] <Burgundavia> already seen a few
[09:39] <Burgundavia> almost makes it enough to just put it there, just to make them be quiet
[09:39] <zyga> is hoary going to get it as a part of hoary-updates?
[09:39] <desrt> 'security edition'?
[09:39] <zyga> desrt: bugfix release really
[09:39] <zyga> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html
[09:39] <desrt> heh
[09:40] <robitaille> I believe most of the bug fixes in 1.0.3 are already in Hoary's firefox (from a comment from Thom a while back)
[09:40] <zyga> pretty ugly bugs were fixed
[09:40] <desrt> holy crap
[09:40] <desrt> javascript has lambda?
[09:40] <zyga> desrt: err.. no?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> robitaille, then bumb the number, just to make people happy
[09:40] <desrt> it does
[09:40] <desrt> http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/mfsa2005-33.html
[09:40] <desrt> or at least the mozilla people think it does :)
[09:41] <zyga> desrt: I'm reading that ATM
[09:41] <zyga> desrt: I think they mean something different than what you and I think ;]
[09:41] <zyga> anonymous function
[09:41] <desrt> i mean the lambda that ...
[09:41] <zyga> hmm okaaay ;]
[09:41] <desrt> ya. that's the lambda i mean
[09:41] <zyga> :)
[09:42] <desrt> i don't imagine you get partial application with javascript :P
[09:42] <desrt> although you can use lambda as a basis for closures
[09:42] <zyga> desrt: partial application?
[09:42] <desrt> \x -> func arg x
[09:42] <desrt> ya.. say like you have some function
[09:42] <desrt> plus x y = x + y
[09:42] <zyga> ah
[09:43] <desrt> you can partially apply it
[09:43] <zyga> let's use lisp notatnion - it's easier to read
[09:43] <desrt> (ie: give it a single argument
[09:43] <desrt> (plus 2)
[09:43] <desrt> then you have a function that takes 1 argument and adds 2 to it
[09:43] <zyga> desrt: that's a closure, no?
[09:43] <desrt> the act of giving 1 argument to a 2-argument function (and in general, n arguments to an m-argument function n<m) is called partial application
[09:44] <desrt> and it's a way of generating closures
[09:44] <zyga> :-)
[09:44] <zyga> I see, I didn't know that term but I understand the thing it does
[09:44] <desrt> so, the idea is that any language that has lambda supports partial application
[09:44] <desrt> say you have some function f x y
[09:44] <desrt> you might not be able to say (f 5)
[09:44] <desrt> but you can always say \y -> f 5 y
[09:44] <zyga> and call the result that with the remaining argument
[09:45] <desrt> exactly
[09:45] <zyga> :-)
[09:45] <zyga> robitaille: does ubuntu use vanilla firefox?
[09:46] <desrt> hell no
[09:46] <robitaille> zyga,  no
[09:46] <desrt> ubuntu's firefox is so greatly patched that they're not even allowed to use the firefox logo anymore :)
[09:46] <robitaille> zyga,  a few differences...starting by the icon :)
[09:46] <zyga> hmm
[09:47] <zyga> too bad it does not include the patch that fixes the infamous slashdot bug ;-)
[09:47] <robitaille> zyga,  you can always download and use a vanilla firefox if you want; it's pretty easy to install
[09:47] <zyga> robitaille: I like gnome integration :>
[09:48] <robitaille> zyga,  I do as well, that's why for Hoary I use Ubuntu's firefox.  For Warty, I wanted 1.0, so I was using my own then
[09:50] <desrt> *hit
[10:14] <GheRivero> res
[10:37] <pitti> mvo: hi
[10:39] <mvo> hey pitti
[11:10] <seb128> elmo: around ?
[11:17] <seb128> and who broke my box ? :p
[11:18] <Lathiat> me me me pick me
[11:18] <seb128> gdm doesn't start because there is no mouse (apparently psmouse doesn't get loaded)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> nice
[11:18] <maswan> can I break your box tomorrow? please?
[11:18] <seb128> I'm away for a week so feel free :p
[12:39] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[12:41] <abelli> a friend has done a nice manager for boot services, and i'd like to add "service description"s, where can i look for them?
[12:42] <abelli> - /ill be back in 5 min/
[01:33] <mvo> hey pitti
[01:36] <bluefoxicy> is there a utility to find all files in /etc that have been changed since install time, or aren't related to an installed package, and save them?
[01:37] <bluefoxicy>  /etc is the missing link in erasing / and reinstalling as long as /home is elsewhere :)
[01:37] <infinity> Woohoo, new firefox and mozilla.
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> (that's my answer to any problems incurred from damaging your system)
[01:50] <zul> heylo
[01:51] <abelli> ciao
[03:30] <pitti> Good bye guys, see you down under!
[03:30] <Lathiat> cya pitti
[03:30] <Lathiat> going myself now
[03:31] <Lathiat> cept im already down under, just going accross :)
[03:31] <infinity> pitti : See you there.
[03:31] <ogra> infinity, really ?
[03:31] <abelli> huh ... have a good time ppl
[03:32] <infinity> ogra : Really!
[03:32] <ogra> YAY
[03:32] <infinity> Huzzah, even.
[03:32] <abelli> ogra: im waiting for your sms.
[03:32] <ogra> infinity, looking forward to meet you then...(i'll meet pitti in 4h at the airport)
[03:33] <infinity> I'm looking forward to getting horribly lost in Sydney after I land.  <nod>
[03:33] <abelli> ogra: mind your change.
[03:34] <\sh> grmpf...python2.4-qt3  but not python2.4-kde3
[03:34] <\sh> why are the bindings not build from kdebindings
[03:36] <Riddell> \sh: not sure, been meaning to ask that
[03:37] <\sh> Riddell: well...possible explanation: the standalone packages are also in the repos, but it looks like they're outdated...
[03:39] <\sh> i will play with kdebindings ;)
[03:41] <Riddell> \sh: cool
[03:41] <Riddell> \sh: try asking haggai first, he did kdebindings
[03:41] <\sh> Riddell: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO
[03:41] <\sh> "let kde people handling the problem" ;)
[03:43] <\sh> finally they commented them in in the configure.in file
[03:46] <Riddell> ssh is horribly laggy from here
[03:46] <\sh> hehe
[03:50] <\sh> well...i will do some serious stuff now..showering, shopping, cleaning the community places in this house
[03:53] <mvo> hey ogra
[04:04] <abelli> mvo: dont stress him now ... otherwise he'll forget shirts.. :)
[04:08] <queuetue> Hello, I've done a fresh install of hoary-AMD64 and I'm encountring the same kernel bug as last night:  "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot...  (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI  with the nvidia nforce4 chipset)  ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this?
[04:08] <queuetue> (This error occurs immediately after "Starting Ubuntu"
[04:19] <vvl> queuetue: do other operating systems work normally?
[04:19] <abelli> vvl: ?
[04:20] <queuetue> vvl, DSL (32-bit Dman small linux) works fine - I don't *have* any other oses. ;)
[04:20] <vvl> ok :)
[04:21] <vvl> I got a similar error once when I had my jumper settings on my hard drives the wrong way
[04:21] <vvl> but it's not that then
[04:22] <queuetue> "Wrong way" how?
[04:23] <vvl> don't remember exactly how they were configured, but I think one was configured as cable select and one as a master
[04:24] <vvl> and then they were plugged in wrong
[04:24] <vvl> so linux saw the drives but they didn't respond to I/O requests very well :)
[04:25] <vvl> but if you can boot another kernel that isn't the problem
[04:29] <queuetue> vvl, Well, I can boot a livecd, nothing has booted fromt he HD yet...
[04:42] <vvl> queuetue: I'm absolutely no expert, but check all your HD cables and jumpers, and maybe your bios settings
[04:43] <vvl> some drives require LBA to be switched on, others require it to be switched off
[04:46] <queuetue> vvl, Why would that not be an issue during the install?
[04:48] <queuetue> The fact that the install and DSL can use the drive fine is really the strange thing here...
[04:49] <vvl> hmm yes
[04:51] <vvl> but I'd rather not give any more "advice", like I said I'm no expert at these things :)
[05:47] <fgx> where are bugs concerning universe stuff to be submitted?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> fgx
[05:49] <Burgundavia> malone
[05:49] <koke> fgx: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[05:50] <fgx> is it useful, as in bugzilla, to include my hd db ID?
[05:53] <zul> bbl
[06:04] <ross> mjg59, ping?
[06:10] <rburton> thom, ping?
[06:12] <kent> Didn't firefox/mozilla get a securityupdate in hoary? I thought i read something about that. But I have not yet got it on my Hoary :(  Whats the version of the update? So that i can check if its already installed..
[06:22] <Burgundavia> rburton, there are a lot who are leaving for lca right around now
[06:22] <Burgundavia> kent, it is coming, don't worry
[06:23] <kent> Burgundavia, ah, ok. I was just worried that perhaps my list of repositories is wrong, but I dont think so.. it should be ok :)
[06:24] <rburton> Burgundavia: yeah, that was my guess
[06:25] <Burgundavia> kent, you probably won't see a version bump, they will just backport the fixes
[06:34] <schweeb> fabbione: around?
[06:36] <fabbione> schweeb: more or less :)
[06:37] <queuetue> It definitely seems like a kernel problem - the disks work fine in another machine, the system works fine with both the livecd and a windows PE disk... Wht can I do here?
[06:39] <schweeb> fabbione: you have a recommended netboot image for an ultrasparc to get ubuntu on it?
[06:40] <queuetue> An old gentoo HD I scrounged up has the same problem, btw.
[06:40] <schweeb> sittin in front of the sunblade 2002 right now
[06:40] <fabbione> schweeb: the one that is in the archive @ sparc.u.c
[06:40] <schweeb> kk
[06:40] <fabbione> no idea if it will ever work :)
[06:40] <fabbione> you might have to play with it
[06:40] <schweeb> yea
[06:41] <schweeb> we'll see
[06:41] <schweeb> first experience installing /anything/ on a sparc :)
[06:42] <\sh> schweeb: oh..:)
[06:42] <\sh> i'd installed debian on a sparc u5 and on a r420
[06:43] <queuetue> As a test, I've agreed to install XP on the system, and see how it acts with the hardware ... I find it very disturbing that I can't op open another console during the install. :)
[06:44] <fabbione> schweeb: debian should install pretty fine.. if you can install sarge, you can upgrade to ubuntu.. i am 99.9% sure about it
[06:45] <kent> Burgundavia, well, im not interested in getting new versions etc. I was mainly interested in if my sources.list was correct. But i will know it later, i guess :)
[06:51] <Burgundavia> kent, there is no reason for a stable hoary system to change its repos
[06:53] <kent> Burgundavia, well, that is as correct as can be,  but haha, during Warty i changed the repos to install some 3rd party-stuff.. etc, and changed to a mirror etc. So my sources.list was a bit full of stuff and # comments etc. But i think i  have taken out the stuff that I dont use any more. So now it should be a clean list of repos.
[06:53] <Burgundavia> kent, that would not be classified as a stable install in my books
[06:55] <kent> Burgundavia, becaus of the thirdparty programs (i think i tried to/and did install java, flash or something like that during warty), or becaus i fiddled with the repos manually?
[06:56] <Burgundavia> kent, fiddled with repos
[07:30] <zyga> hello
[07:31] <zyga> how does gnome-cd gets launched upon inserting audio-cd?
[07:31] <zyga> (I've disabled 'auto-play' from the menu)
[07:31] <Treenaks> menu?
[07:32] <zyga> Treenaks: system->prefs->sth (cannot remember english name)
[07:32] <zyga> Treenaks: I can make a screenshot - the dialog is very familiar even in foreign language
[07:33] <zyga> anyway, the real problem is that it keeps starting, any insight before I scoop the source?
[07:33] <Treenaks> zyga: I know which one you mean
[07:33] <Treenaks> did you re-login?
[07:34] <zyga> Treenaks: no, do I have to/
[07:34] <Treenaks> (should not be necessary, but you never know)
[07:34] <Treenaks> if that works, file a bug anyway :)
[07:34] <zyga> Treenaks: It's not important - it was turned off long time ago
[07:34] <zyga> Treenaks: (if it's something simple I'd prefer to patch it ;-)
[07:37] <zyga> Treenaks: hmm there is a gconf key somewhere
[07:38] <Treenaks> zyga: I don't doubt iy
[07:38] <Treenaks> it
[07:38] <zyga> Treenaks: but since gnome-cd doesn't launch on its own ...
[07:38] <zyga> Treenaks: what can be starting it?
[07:38] <Treenaks> nautilus, or gnome-volume-manager
[07:39] <zyga> the latter is not running apparently
[07:40] <zyga> ahh my mistake - it is running
[07:45] <schweeb> fabbione: you know the key combo to get to OpenBoot w/o using the shutdown -i 0 -g 0 stuff?
[07:46] <zyga> hmm how to use debian/rules to extract .tar.gz & apply patches?
[07:46] <fabbione> send a break on the console
[07:46] <fabbione> schweeb: do you have a keyboard or are you on ser console?
[07:46] <schweeb> keyboard
[07:46] <fabbione> stop + a
[07:47] <schweeb> that have to be done on boot, or does it automatically work from a booted system?
[07:47] <fabbione> it should always work
[07:47] <schweeb> k
[07:50] <akk> Hi -- any installer devs around?  I had some problems installing to a laptop, and am wondering what bugs I should file.
[07:51] <fabbione> akk: just use bugzilla.ubuntu.com, we will take care of addressing the bug to the right component.
[07:51] <fabbione> akk: please be very specific with the error if you can
[07:51] <fabbione> and check if the bug hasn't been reported yet
[07:51] <akk> Thanks.  I'll do that.
[07:51] <akk> Oh, is anyone interested in bugs related to expert mode?
[07:52] <fabbione> akk: yes.. all bugs are important
[07:52] <fabbione> and needs to be addressed
[07:52] <fabbione> better one more than one less
[07:52] <akk> Okay, I'll report everything I saw.  Thanks.
[07:52] <fabbione> akk: but please do a search on bugzilla first to see if it is a known problem
[07:52] <fabbione> managing duplicates take a lot of time
[07:52] <akk> Understood.  Will do.
[07:53] <fabbione> thanks
[07:57] <dizzy> anyone expert of hotplug here?
[07:59] <schweeb> o_O
[07:59] <schweeb> no rarp in the Ubuntu kernel?
[08:00] <schweeb> hrm... guess I'll have to use bootp
[08:03] <fabbione> schweeb: you don't need rarp in the kernel
[08:04] <fabbione> schweeb: what you need is rarpd and tftpd on another machine
[08:05] <fabbione> schweeb: OBP will take care of using rarpd to get the ip and download from tftp
[08:05] <schweeb> yea, I had that... rarpd doesn't need rarp in the kernel?
[08:05] <fabbione> nope
[08:06] <trulux> ajmitch: ping
[08:06] <trulux> ajmitch_: ping
[08:06] <schweeb> this network's pretty goofy... they're already bootin some sun's via network
[08:06] <schweeb> so I may mess around with it later
[08:06] <fabbione> schweeb: OBP doesn't support dhcp for booting.. only rarpd
[08:06] <fabbione> schweeb: the booting is binded to the mac address
[08:07] <fabbione> see /etc/ethers
[08:07] <schweeb> when I had rarpd running, it was only getting rarp stuff for one box, which wasn't the one that I'm trying to netboot
[08:07] <schweeb> yea, I had ethers set up
[08:07] <schweeb> on my laptop
[08:07] <fabbione> so if your rarpd answers only for that mac address it would be ok
[08:08] <fabbione> schweeb: well, if you have phisical access, just use a cross cable to netboot
[08:08] <schweeb> yea, that's what I'm lookin for right now :)
[08:08] <fabbione> and plug the machine back to the real net before dhcp :)
[08:08] <schweeb> that'd do
[08:09] <fabbione> yeps
[08:10] <Amaranth> If I had pbuilder setup for hoary and I'm on breezy now using pbuilder will still create packages usable in hoary, right?
[08:10] <schweeb> yes
[08:10] <fabbione> Amaranth: please stop this backporting madness.. really
[08:10] <schweeb> heh
[08:10] <fabbione> most of the stuff that will build and work on breezy will not on hoary
[08:11] <fabbione> because of the toolchain changes
[08:11] <Amaranth> fabbione: Heh, two packages my menu editor needs have fixes upstream.
[08:11] <Amaranth> the gnome-menus 2.10 branch and PyXDG
[08:11] <Amaranth> nothing that won't work in hoary
[08:11] <fabbione> sooner or later that won't work.. just be aware of that
[08:11] <Amaranth> why won't it?
[08:11] <Amaranth> pbuilder sets up a chroot, doesn't it?
[08:12] <fabbione> because if we apply a patch to fix compilation with gcc-4, it might not work with gcc-3.3
[08:12] <fabbione> also.. new libc6 will generate dependencies that are not easy to satisfy in hoary
[08:12] <Amaranth> oh, you mean for new packages
[08:12] <fabbione> no.. also for old ones
[08:12] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm not going to be working on the backports project
[08:12] <Amaranth> well, i mean for packages that come later on in breezy
[08:13] <Amaranth> I just need these two because they got fixed upstream less than a week after hoary came out and my menu editor needs them.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, did you do the original backports?
[08:13] <Amaranth> nope
[08:15] <schweeb> ugh, this crossover doesn't seem to be providing link :-/
[08:18] <Amaranth> hrm, the gnome-menus source package doesn't have all the source in it
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> 25698 bluefox   15   0  801m 184m  18m S  1.7 24.7  16:26.80 AbiWord-2.2
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> 801M, 184M
[08:37] <bluefoxicy> yeah I'm gonna call that a problem with the allocator
[08:38] <bluefoxicy>  3772 bluefox   15   0  183m  79m  19m S  0.0 10.7   0:04.75 abiword
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> closed abiword, then reopenned with the same file
[08:39] <zyga> bluefoxicy: could you compile abiword with debug and run it via valgrind?
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  no, I have work in 20 minutes.
[08:39] <zyga> bluefoxicy: ok
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  but I believe that a lot of memory issues stem from the fact that I'm practically the only person I know of that actually understands that the design of the heap is a really bad idea
[08:40] <zyga> bluefoxicy: ?
[08:40] <zyga> bluefoxicy: why
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> and red hat (who controlls glibc and thus mallo()) doesn't care
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  because if you allocate a ton of memory, then free most of it, except one byte at the end, you hold a ton of memory, as the heap is defined by start and length only
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> the heap can't be fragmented in allocation; it's one big block.
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> and thus, those unused areas will eventually get swapped out.
[08:41] <zyga> bluefoxicy: hmm not so sure, are you confident that how it works?
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> then when you allocate again, you just swap them back in because thankfully glibc's allocator doesn't just infinitely allocate more
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  I've tested it
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> lemme find a test program.
[08:42] <zyga> bluefoxicy: It's easier to check the source
[08:42] <zyga> bluefoxicy: don't we have a slab allocator?
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  not that allocator, the userspace allocator.
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> the kernel allocator handles physical->virtual mappings
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> the userspace allocator handles getting memory from the kernel and using it in such a way that it doesn't just eat up 40 gigs of RAM
[08:44] <zyga> err but it's rather hard to believe that the us allocator is so dumb ;]
[08:44] <zyga> (not that I really know)
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  it uses brk(), except if an allocation is >128KiB it makes an mmap() segment
[08:44] <zyga> mmap is okay6
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> it would be better to use say 4-20 meg mmap() segments as mini heaps so that when they empty out you can just free them back to the system
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> you can't just use mmap() for everything because it always maps full pages
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> i.e. mmap()ing 5 bytes maps in 4096 bytes (think of fat, and small files, and you'll get it)
[08:45] <zyga> bluefoxicy: well personally I don't assume I'm working with a perfect allocator and keep small stuff in their own allocation blocks
[08:46] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I know how that works
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> I know
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> unfortunately using a huge block has problems, i.e. firefox starts at 40M and grows to 100, and stays there no matter what
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> or if you delete 6000 files in nautilus, it allocates 330M of memory to store information about what it's about to do
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> then it frees down to 300 instead of back to the usual 20M that it uses
[08:47] <zyga> well simple likned list of blocks that feeds a custom allocator is simple
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> but if it needs another 200 or so megs it's already allocated; most of that 300M is just empty space in the heap
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> problem being it's empty allocated space that should be going back to the system, not to swap after 10 minutes
[08:49] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I know little about how kernel works in this regard (overallocation)
[08:50] <zyga> bluefoxicy: but you do have a point
[08:51] <zyga> bluefoxicy: but ...
[08:51] <zyga> bluefoxicy: isn't is then possible to have a custom allocator that knows about 128KiB stiupiditity and always maintains chunks in mmaped pages
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/1pgZrc68.html
[08:52] <zyga> bluefoxicy: then spitting them out as a page becomes empty?
[08:52] <zyga> (not that I care about performace for a moment)
[08:52] <zyga> (alhorightm performace that is)
[08:53] <zyga> bluefoxicy: dropping heap holder...?
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  problem being that if you simply mmap() a segment for every allocation, you allocate a 4096 byte page when you need a 60 .  You have to mmap() a small-ish area of a fair size, and use that as a heap, then scrap it when it empties.
[08:53] <zyga> what does that mean?
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  one byte at the end of the heap.
[08:53] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I dont want to mmap everything
[08:53] <zyga> bluefoxicy: mmap -> list of blocks per allocated maps
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  I malloc() like http://rafb.net/paste/results/B1ug1b73.html
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> 25600 segments, then 100 bytes at the end
[08:54] <zyga> bluefoxicy: smart
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> then I free the 25600 segments out of the heap, which now has abotu 100M of unused memory in it
[08:54] <zyga> bluefoxicy: and shows the point
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> but the heap can't brk() down
[08:54] <zyga> bluefoxicy: so let's change that ok?
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> UU----------------------------U
[08:54] <zyga> bluefoxicy: we'll use a custom allocator on top of mmap
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> zyga: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171547
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  exactly :)
[08:55] <zyga> bluefoxicy: just say one thing to me - is there any limit to number of mapped pages? (per user)
[08:55] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I once did a test
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  Depending on security setup and system limits there is
[08:55] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I've mapped one gig file, each page on it's own
[08:55] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I could not get more than 10 pages
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> wli reports that the kernel can handle millions of mappings, more than a 32 bit CPU can actually account for managable ram
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> without slowing down at all
[08:55] <zyga> bluefoxicy: mapping the whole file with one call worked
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:56] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I would gladly repeat that test :)
[08:56] <zyga> and re-run your test with a small custom allocator (with malloc interface of course)
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  :) perhaps I should make a quick Ubuntu bug
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> that points at that bug
[08:58] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I'm still reading your bugreport
[08:58] <zyga> bluefoxicy: but ... isn't this a generic bug?
[08:58] <zyga> bluefoxicy: why gnome?
[08:58] <zyga> (why ubuntu for that matter)
[08:58] <zyga> create a small library with malloc free calloc and realloc
[08:59] <zyga> and LD_PRELOAD it or something
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> because gnome devs get hard-ons over using less memory
[08:59] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I've seen that memory wiki - it's a great idea
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> ok ppl, anyone here running ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso? the kernel in 5.04 doesnt run my hardware setup, and i need someone to compile me a kernel, i got a .config for my system already, but am running 32bits and i dont want to cross-compile
[09:00] <zyga> lsuactiafner: hmm I guess you should ask in #ubuntu
[09:00] <lsuactiafner> i did, they seem useless.
[09:00] <zyga> bluefoxicy: BTW: how does new get it's memory? via malloc?
[09:01] <dhonn> lsuactiafner, you can compile your kernel under any linux distro
[09:01] <lsuactiafner> and btw the lilo package installation in ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso doesnt work
[09:01] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : you cant compile a 64 bit kernel while running a 32 bit system with no cross compiler
[09:01] <zyga> lsuactiafner: grub works okay (/me hugs big amd box)
[09:02] <dhonn> you can
[09:02] <dhonn> get the compiler
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : with a cross-compiler... and i do not want to mess with gcc
[09:02] <zyga> bluefoxicy: is there any convenient .tar.gz with your tests?
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> work time
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  download the link I showed with the source as text.
[09:02] <dhonn> what kernel works for you and what linux distro?
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> zyga : lilo is better than grub
[09:03] <zyga> bluefoxicy: msg me when you finish work please
[09:03] <lsuactiafner> i use slackware 2.6.11, some options in the ubuntu kernel conflicts with my hardware.
[09:03] <dhonn> just copy the kernel over to ubuntu
[09:03] <lsuactiafner> slackware 10.1 but kernel 2.6.11-4
[09:03] <zyga> lsuactiafner: I see
[09:04] <dhonn> and copy the /lib/modules/*
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : a 32bit kernel WILL NOT run binaries compiled for 64bit
[09:04] <dhonn> get the 64bit kernel from slack
[09:05] <dhonn> lsuactiafner, you say the slack 64 kernel works for you?
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> i'm running slackware in 32bit mode.
[09:05] <dhonn> damn
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> slackware 10.1 is 32bit, patrick didnt like some nasty bugs with 64bit systems
[09:05] <dhonn> is there a 64bit kernel disto that works for you
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> no. thats why i need someone currently running a 64bit system to compile me a kernel that will work for me, i got a .config file that will work
[09:07] <schweeb> fabbione: still there?
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : you aint a developer are you?
[09:08] <dhonn> im a different kind of developer
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> graphics?
[09:10] <dhonn> yep
[09:11] <dhonn> i use to compile kernels a lot though
[09:12] <dhonn> you can compile a 64bit kernel in a 32bit/os partition, then copy it to your 64bit/os partition
[09:12] <lsuactiafner> you can not.
[09:12] <dhonn> yes
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : --march=athlon64
[09:13] <dhonn> yes
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> try compiling a program with that if you got a 32bit compiler
[09:13] <dhonn> you can compile any arch
[09:13] <dhonn> under any os
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> trust me.. it does not work.
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> ok cd /usr/src/linux
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> edit the Makefile
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> ill get a search quick
[09:14] <|QuaD-> is there a reason that all of unstable hasn't been imported to breezy? looking at gnome-blog, sid has v0.8-2, we are on 0.7-4
[09:15] <schweeb> fabbione: I keep getting a "Fast Data Access MMU Miss" on a tftp download from the Sun client... using tftp manually from an x86 box works just peachy keen
[09:15] <lsuactiafner> change the CFLAGS to export CFLAGS="-march=athlon64 -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops"
[09:15] <schweeb> and on my x86 tftp box, the only error I get is "read: Connection refused"
[09:15] <lsuactiafner> see if it does compile...
[09:15] <lsuactiafner> HOSTCFLAGS ...
[09:16] <dhonn> something isnt installed
[09:16] <dhonn> dhonn@laptop:~/temp$ gcc -march=athlon64 blah.c
[09:16] <dhonn> i get errors too
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> exactly.
[09:17] <dhonn> works fine march=pentium4
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> well you know what, an AMD64 3200+ Hammer aint the same thing as a Pentium 4
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> i686 is compatible.
[09:18] <dhonn> you have to install something else, you can compile programs for other archs i know it
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> a cross-compiler...
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> and you do not want to fsck with gcc on any pc.
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> ok now i'm wasting time here.
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> dhonn : dont ever touch anything todo with ubuntu please.
[09:20] <dhonn> gcc is a cross compiler
[09:20] <dhonn> lol
[09:24] <fabbione> schweeb: oh... that error!
[09:24] <srbaker> jdub, are you on tv right now?
[09:24] <fabbione> schweeb: even with debian?
[09:25] <fabbione> schweeb: because iirc the problem. it means that your cpu isn't supported
[09:26] <schweeb> :-/
[09:26] <schweeb> I'll try debian
[09:26] <schweeb> google says it's a kernel problem
[09:27] <schweeb> it is definitely an ultrasparc though
[09:27] <fabbione> schweeb: it can also be silo
[09:27] <fabbione> that's why i am asking you to try debian
[09:27] <schweeb> yea
[09:27] <fabbione> it compiles silo with another gcc
[09:27] <schweeb> looking for the image now
[09:27] <schweeb> it's an UltraSparc-III+
[09:28] <fabbione> not sure it's supported by the kernel
[09:28] <schweeb> o_O... the banner says Sun-Blade-1000... it's supposed to be a 2000
[09:30] <schweeb> debian's boot.img does the same thing too
[09:30] <schweeb> trying the 2.6 one...
[09:35] <zyga> confirm this please - it's not possible to get 4MB pages on x86?
[09:38] <jbailey> zyga: Superpages I think are available from pentium up.
[09:39] <zyga> jbailey: any good docs on the subject? (other than google)
[09:39] <jbailey> Intel's archtecture books.
[09:40] <zyga> jbailey: thanks
[09:40] <jbailey> Dunno if they're online or not.
[09:40] <zyga> jbailey: I've got some of them at my university library - that will do
[09:40] <jbailey> Cool.
[09:40] <schweeb> fabbione: okay, now I'm getting it to say "138200" then is says to check the tftp config.  frickin SPARCs
[10:00] <fabbione> schweeb: so it starts the download and than it stops?
[10:00] <schweeb> yep
[10:01] <schweeb> I'll do some more research and mess with it later
[10:01] <schweeb> gotta go to a bbq with whiprush in a little while, and this is pissing me off too much
[10:11] <zyga> does LD_PRELOAD take symbol versions into account?
[10:15] <schweeb> headin out... later


[21:52] <iceroot> phong_: but that is starting the gui, you asked how to switch back which is ctrl + alt + f7
[21:52] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, sorry about my lack of understanding.
[21:52] <phong_> ctrl+alt+f1 only willd o that
[21:52] <morphix> iceroot, ah well that sucks, my laptop has 2gb of ram, no need for swap, i've never had a problems without it so far
[21:52] <iamringo87> hey, is anyone here familiar with mpgtx?
[21:53] <minimec> CAPcap: YOu can always edit the file with the live cd when you gksudo gedit with the live CD.
[21:53] <iceroot> !anyone | iamringo87
[21:53] <CAPcap> ok minimec
[21:53] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, do you mean that I have to uninstall another driver on top of the one I just uninstalled?
[21:53] <culb> is there a command i can run from cli to display the monitor hooked up to my video card
[21:53] <minimec> CAPcap: SUdo apt-get install nano
[21:53] <phong_> oh yeah
[21:53] <phong_> it bring back
[21:53] <iamringo87> I'm finding that sometimes after I split an mpeg with it, it indexes the file improperly...like it'll be 18 mion long but a player will say it's 1.5hrs, so I can't upload it to various video sites...is there a way to re-index videos?
[21:53] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, or just run the command you gave now?
[21:53] <minimec> CAPcap: arew you still on the command line?
[21:54] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: In other word, open jockey-gtk then remove the driver it says is not in use there. After that, reinstall it using the same thing
[21:54] <phong_> how to stop it
[21:54] <burg> morphix, thank you
[21:54] <CAPcap> no i just restarted, im trying to boot with the live cd again
[21:54] <Out_Cold> is 10.04 the first UNR release?
[21:54] <CAPcap> should i not have?
[21:54] <morphix> burg, fixed it i presume :)
[21:54] <iceroot> iamringo87: try to open it with vlc which is asking to repair the file
[21:54] <iceroot> Out_Cold: no
[21:54] <burg> morphix, yes
[21:54] <iamringo87> it opens fine in vlc
[21:54] <iceroot> !unr | Out_Cold
[21:54] <phong_> how to stop the gdm mode
[21:54] <phong_> and going text mode
[21:54] <iamringo87> just has the wrong length diplayed
[21:54] <phong_> please help
[21:54] <Out_Cold> i was reading there iceroot
[21:54] <morphix> burg: thats great and np, glad to help. :)
[21:55] <minimec> CAPcap: Both options will work.. Remember to gksudo gedit with the live CD, then open the ile to edit.
[21:55] <iceroot> phong_: ctrl + alt + f1 and then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop  if you want to shutdown the x-server
[21:55] <phong_> oh okay
[21:55] <phong_> thanks
[21:55] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, there isn't an option to remove the driver.
[21:55] <phong_> i miss the sudo
[21:55] <phong_> haha
[21:55] <CAPcap> minimec, ok i'll try that
[21:55] <FloodBot3> phong_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:55] <iceroot> Out_Cold: ubuntu 8.04 was the first UNR if i am correct
[21:55] <Real_Ubot> I can login to my computer using: ssh -p xxx username1@ip1, but I'm not able to copy using scp -P xxx -r /home/username1/ username2@ip2:/home/username2/ Why?
[21:55] <Real_Ubot> I use keys that also has passphrase.
[21:55] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: It should give you an option to install it then..
[21:55] <iceroot> Real_Ubot: error?
[21:56] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, activate?
[21:56] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Yes
[21:56] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log
[21:56] <Out_Cold> iceroot, i am running into some xorg issues on 10.04. i reported them but would like to see if this is because it's +1 or because it's hardware
[21:56] <Real_Ubot> iceroot: When I use scp -v then I see that scp can't connect.
[21:56] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: So look at the log :)
[21:57] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Pastebin it if you want to
[21:57] <iceroot> Out_Cold: 10.04 is an alpha
[21:57] <soopos> iceroot:  I get the error "Error sending message, child exited 1 ()." as I have this in .muttrc: set sendmail="postfix"
[21:57] <Real_Ubot> iceroot: Connection to... ip-numbers, port etc.
[21:57] <Real_Ubot> iceroot: Then nothing happends.
[21:57] <iceroot> Out_Cold: 10.04 is an alpha?
[21:57] <iceroot> soopos: what are you trying to do?
[21:57] <phong_> i got it
[21:57] <phong_> thanks
[21:58] <iceroot> soopos: you want to send an mail with your own smtp-server?
[21:58] <soopos> iceroot: To send a mail by Mutt
[21:58] <Out_Cold> iceroot, i know, i think the link i picked said jaunty but it was 10.04
[21:58] <soopos> iceroot: apparently it is a must, since I cannot find another way
[21:58] <iceroot> soopos: and you want to send the mail to?
[21:59] <iceroot> soopos: local or internet
[21:59] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, http://pastebin.ca/1755207
[21:59] <phong_> question: how do i know if my nvidia is sli  ?
[21:59] <phong_> any help
[22:00] <CShadowRun> phong_: do you have 2 graphics cards?
[22:00] <phong_> yes
[22:00] <CShadowRun> is there a big-ass wire going between them?
[22:00] <phong_> i just enable it with command: sudo nvidia-xconfig --sli=on
[22:00] <soopos> iceroot: internet
[22:00] <CAPcap> minimec, edited and saved
[22:00] <CAPcap> now what?
[22:01] <kermit> what's the fastest way to be notified of, and enabled to reply to, an email?
[22:01] <iceroot> soopos: maybe its better to use a smtp from gmx, google, hotmail or something else then setting aup a local mail-server
[22:02] <minimec> CAPcap: try to reboot. I guess that should do. If not, boot in recovery and update-initramfs -u -k all
[22:02] <CAPcap> minimec, ok will do. i'll keep hounding u if i keep having problems ;)
[22:02] <phong_> question: how to do alias  for  cls = 'clear'
[22:03] <trism> phong_: alias cls=clear
[22:04] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Which version of ubuntu is this btw?
[22:04] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, Karmic.
[22:04] <phong_> i know but where to make it perminnat
[22:04] <phong_> something with bashrc
[22:04] <trism> phong_: add it to ~/.bashrc
[22:04] <phong_> ok
[22:05] <CAPcap> unknown command 'update-initramfs'
[22:05] <phong_> ok how do i reload the bash
[22:05] <phong_> any help?
[22:06] <CAPcap> minimec
[22:06] <minimec> CAPcap: what. You did it befor, when you activated kms. Why should it be unknown now?
[22:06] <phong_> how to reload the ~/.bashrc
[22:06] <CAPcap> i dont know
[22:06] <phong_> source ~/.bashrc ?
[22:06] <CAPcap> should it be a space instead of a dash?
[22:06] <trism> phong_: that should work
[22:06] <minimec> your on the live cd?
[22:06] <CAPcap> no
[22:06] <minimec> CAPcap: your on the live cd?
[22:07] <Out_Cold> CAPcap, you should use the tab auto-completion to correct your spelling errors
[22:07] <CAPcap> Grub command line
[22:07] <minimec> CAPcap: Did you try to reboot normally?
[22:07] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, is this useful? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305740   - It means nothing to me.
[22:07] <CAPcap> yes and it didnt work minimec
[22:07] <minimec> CAPcap: You have to load a recovery kernel and then choose the root console.
[22:08] <CAPcap> i dont even know what that means minimec
[22:08] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Try installing xorg-driver-fglrx package, then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure Driver fglrx is in the Device section
[22:08] <lnxsmith> in case anyone wants ot help, Linux Journal set up a chipin page to help Shawn Powers, llinux journal editor, because his house burned down today: http://helpshawnpowersfamily.chipin.com/help-shawn-powers-family
[22:08] <CAPcap> should i do that command from the live CD?
[22:09] <phong_> i'm trying to make linux command accordingly to windows ;)
[22:09] <phong_> haha
[22:09] <phong_> brb
[22:09] <minimec> CAPcap: when you boot up, press... <left shift> button before grub starts to load. Choose a recovery kernel
[22:09] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, it's already the newest version.
[22:09] <CAPcap> ok thanks
[22:09] <galvao> Guys, I desperately need some help in here... I accidentally deleted 4.1Gb of files and ext3grep isn't working
[22:10] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, where about in the configuration file am I supposed to be looking?
[22:10] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Ok reinstall it then and make sure you have fglrx in xorg.conf then reboot
[22:10] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, driver is Vesa.
[22:10] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: The Device section
[22:10] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Change it to fglrx
[22:10] <CompuHacker> galvao: Go undelete them. Also, don't touch the disk until you do.
[22:10] <soreau> SealedWithAKiss: Remove then reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx then reboot
[22:10] <galvao> CompuHacker: How do I do that?
[22:11] <CAPcap> ok i have box with stuff in it, it appears to be a version of ubuntu, then the same thing with recovery mode, that a diferent ver with another recovery mode the 2 mem test options
[22:11] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, I'm on it now.
[22:11] <galvao> I've tried with ext3grep but I get a lot of "Note: Inode 2148434 has non-zero dtime<PHONE_NUMBER>  Sun Jan 17 18:08:39 2010) but non-zero block list (8599552) [ext3grep does not consider this inode to be deleted]" lines and then: "ext3grep: inode.cc:99: void inode_mmap(int): Assertion `refs_to_mmap[group] == 0' failed." and "Aborted"
[22:11] <minimec> CAPcap: Choose the recovery kernel 2md in line.
[22:11] <CompuHacker> galvao: Please wait.
[22:11] <galvao> I'm desperate here :(
[22:11] <galvao> OK
[22:12] <CAPcap> but ive been getting this and it doesnt matter what i pic, nothing boots up, i have sounds that tell me its like at the log in screen but i have no picture
[22:12] <minimec> CAPcap: Then the root console
[22:12] <CAPcap> whats a root console?
[22:12] <yester64> @CAPcap its the root user
[22:14] <minimec> CAPcap: MA you have a grub menu in front of you, there you can choos a recovery kernel (should be 2nd in the menu), the the text booting process should start and at the end you should have the option to go to a root command line. That's easy... really.
[22:14] <CompuHacker> galvao: Sorry, I can see now that I didn't know what I was getting into. There is commercial software that might work, but barring that, the data is gone.
[22:14] <CompuHacker> galvao: Read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3grep
[22:14] <galvao> omg...
[22:14] <CAPcap> i doesnt give me options it just runs through awhole bunch of text then goes to a black screen
[22:14] <CompuHacker> Sorry :(
[22:15] <plustax> Okay I'm having a small yet slightly annoying issue. In myspace I go to login and I can't see what im typing. It just stays white when I type. When I highlight it though I see that it was actually typing. Same thing happens in facebook chat. I'm running 9.10 Any ideas?
[22:15] <galvao> CompuHacker: But I didn't formatted the disk
[22:15] <minimec> CAPcap: OK. Cab you do <ctrl><alt>F1 ?
[22:16] <CAPcap> where?
[22:16] <galvao> CompuHacker: I "shift-deleted" the directory in Dolphin
[22:16] <CompuHacker> galvao: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
[22:16] <CompuHacker> That might help.
[22:16] <galvao> Yes I'm going there right now
[22:16] <galvao> CompuHacker: Thanks
[22:16] <minimec> CAPcap: Type it on your keyboard Hold <ctrl><alt>, then press F1
[22:17] <CAPcap> i get that. when am i supposed to do that?
[22:17] <minimec> CAPcap: It should give you a console.
[22:17] <Hawkal> What is the idea around the way files and folders are kept in ubuntu?(for example what goes where for an install)  I believe the more centralised way windows does it is better.
[22:17] <Out_Cold> is anyone else running the unr 10.04?
[22:17] <Hawkal> at least it seems more logical
[22:17] <Craig_Dem> I run 10.04
[22:18] <Craig_Dem> Alpha2
[22:18] <Out_Cold> any bugs?
[22:18] <Craig_Dem> Two
[22:18] <Out_Cold> xorg?
[22:18] <Craig_Dem> But they are discreet.
[22:18] <Craig_Dem> No
[22:18] <CompuHacker> Hawkal, I believe it's possible that some programs will treat linux directories like Windows ones, to the point of using \ instead of /
[22:18] <Craig_Dem> Libnotify and something I think is related to compiz.
[22:19] <CompuHacker> But otherwise, that's just a feature of Linux you'll need to get used to.
[22:19] <Out_Cold> Craig_Dem, what's your netbook?
[22:19] <Craig_Dem> I run desktop.
[22:19] <plustax> Okay I'm having a small yet slightly annoying issue. In myspace I go to login and I can't see what im typing. It just stays white when I type. When I highlight it though I see that it was actually typing. Same thing happens in facebook chat. I'm running 9.10 Any ideas?
[22:19] <Craig_Dem> Agh
[22:19] <t0rc> Is there a way to make the virtual consoles have a nice background, etc. as seen in SUSE or mandriva?
[22:19] <Craig_Dem> Just worked out what unr is >_>
[22:19] <Real_Ubot> I can scp to my computer having ssh server installed (using keys) but I'm not able to scp back top my computer having only the ssh client. Why? I have changed the port from 22 to another port in my sshh_config fil and disabled password login only letting users login using keys.
[22:19] <Out_Cold> Craig_Dem, i was wondering about netbook remix
[22:19] <Out_Cold> :p
[22:20] <Craig_Dem> Yeah, my bad.
[22:20] <Hawkal> CompuHacker , it isn't the directories, it's the whole structure that doesn't seem logical to me
[22:20] <iWolf> How would I resize my windows partition and make room for Ubuntu?
[22:20] <cjae> http://pastebin.com/m6b70f526
[22:20] <Out_Cold> well i just finished downloading the 9.10 release so i'll try that
[22:21] <minimec> CAPcap: Still living?
[22:21] <furicle> @Real_Ubot - why change port number?  anyway, running ssh -v -v -v will give you more info as it tries, you can spot better where it fails
[22:21] <Out_Cold> iWolf, the live cd has options for that in the partition editor
[22:21] <CompuHacker> Hawkal, need I remind you that Linux was devised by a team of supernerds, who probably invented logic, and beer.
[22:21] <CAPcap> no. my computer wont even gove me that thing with the recovery anymore
[22:21] <infid> you can just do -vvv
[22:21] <iWolf> Out_Cold: Is there a resize option?
[22:21] <plustax> Okay I'm having a small yet slightly annoying issue. In myspace I go to login and I can't see what im typing. It just stays white when I type. When I highlight it though I see that it was actually typing. Same thing happens in facebook chat. I'm running 9.10 Any ideas?
[22:22] <CompuHacker> Plustax, I advise you not to repeat yourself more than once every 30 or so minutes.
[22:22] <Out_Cold> iWolf, last time i installed next to a windows OS, yes there was. it should shrink your windows and allow for ubuntu to install in a logical partition
[22:22] <CompuHacker> If someone can help you, they will.
[22:22] <iWolf> Out_Cold: Automated?
[22:22] <furicle> @Hawal - remember that Unix systems often have/had different folders on different drive arrays etc. Because you can mount anything anywhere with different options (like read only) it maximizes flexability
[22:22] <cjae> plustax: do you have a certain theme installed
[22:23] <plustax> CompuHacker: Have you ever been far as decided even as to do look want more like?
[22:23] <minimec> CAPcap: That is so strange...
[22:23] <Out_Cold> iWolf, yes it was the guided resize option (automated) or you can resize manually inside the live cd using gparted and the ntfs pluggin i think
[22:23] <plustax> cjae yes sir I do, and I go to adjust colors in the tab and everything is grayed out like I cant change it
[22:23] <tobiasz> hi
[22:23] <iWolf> Out_Cold: What version did you install
[22:23] <CompuHacker> plustax: You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can.
[22:23] <CAPcap> oknow i have my recovery screen back....
[22:23] <Out_Cold> iWolf, last one along side windows was 8.10
[22:24] <iWolf> Ahhh
[22:24] <tarski> if i have hardy can i add karmic repos to my source list and install stuff from there?
[22:24] <iWolf> I found a page about it
[22:24] <iWolf> Thank you
[22:24] <plustax> CompuHacker how are you bro. are you from e/b/aums liek meh
[22:24] <minimec> CAPcap: Ok. choose the recovery kernel with the arrow keys
[22:24] <CAPcap> ok
[22:24] <Hawkal> CompuHacker, okay beer makes up for it.  It just makes more sense to me when related things are kept together in a central way
[22:24] <CAPcap> then
[22:24] <CAPcap> ?
[22:24] <tobiasz> I lost my volume control switch from the panel how do I add it back?
[22:24] <tobiasz> gnome
[22:24] <cjae> plustax: some webpages have colors embedded in them and you cant change it and some themes interfer with these colors, I have not found a solution around besides changing theme or using highlight
[22:24] <minimec> CAPcap: Now boot that recovery kernel
[22:25] <CompuHacker> Hawkal, as a side effect of inventing beer, those same nerds probably drank it whilst devising glorious GNU.
[22:25] <plustax> Gotcha. Thank you cjae
[22:25] <cjae> yw
[22:25] <CAPcap> ok then what?
[22:25] <plustax> CompuHacker pm
[22:25] <galvao> CompuHacker: I see that the disk must be unmounted for ext3grep to work
[22:26] <minimec> CAPcap: What happens now?
[22:26] <CompuHacker> then unmount it
[22:26] <CompuHacker> jeeze.
[22:26] <CAPcap> text goes thru, goes to black screen
[22:26] <furicle>  @hawkal - try man hier and see if that helps it make a little more sense
[22:26] <minimec> CAPcap: ok. wait...
[22:27] <CAPcap> ok nothing is happening
[22:27] <minimec> CAPcap: There we have a problem. There should be a white menu on a blue background with a menu option 'root' Dropto root shell prompt
[22:28] <CAPcap> well there isnt
[22:28] <CAPcap> what # on the list should it be?
[22:28] <minimec> CAPcap: that is really strange...
[22:28] <CAPcap> because maybe i just cant see it, maybe i can scroll ro ir blind
[22:29] <CAPcap> to* it* blind
[22:29] <Hawkal> CompuHacker, good point .
[22:29] <tobiasz> I lost my volume control switch from the panel how do I add it back? (gnome)
[22:29] <Hawkal> furicle, thank you
[22:30] <NanoGuy> hi
[22:30] <minimec> CAPcap: That menu takes the whole screen.
[22:30] <erUSUL> !resetpanels | tobiasz
[22:30] <CAPcap> i dont have any important files yet, i'll just reinstall ubuntu
[22:30] <t0rc> Is there a way to make the virtual consoles have a nice background, etc. as seen in SUSE or mandriva?
[22:30] <tobiasz> ubottu I do NOT want to reset this panel
[22:30] <minimec> CAPcap: Do you have two seperate partition? Means do you have a seperate /home?
[22:31] <CAPcap> idk i dont think so
[22:32] <CAPcap> although... it does split my hard drive in half... id been wondering about that
[22:32] <CompuHacker> I did that once. With a hacksaw.
[22:32] <CAPcap> i can reinstall next to it instead of over it
[22:33] <minimec> CAPcap: THen I even recommend a reinstall.  Thar should be a menu option during installation (take the partition wizard.) Like that you can always chage your System without loosing the data on the seperate /home partition.
[22:33] <MK13> i have an IR port on my laptop how can i find out if ubuntu supports it/ how to use it ?
[22:34] <CAPcap> is it possible to install kubuntu along side ubuntu from within ubuntu?
[22:34] <LjL> !kubuntu > CAPcap    (CAPcap, see the private message from ubottu) yes
[22:34] <minimec> CAPcap: One smaller system partition, mounted as '/', A SWAP, big /home partition. The wizard will guide you, if you decide to reinstall.
[22:35] <quizme> i'm trying to scan with my epson nx515, but I'm not feeling the love.  can anybody help out?
[22:35] <CAPcap> im aware of what kubuntu is
[22:35] <CompuHacker> Please install DoublePink® Love Ink cartridge in slot 3.
[22:36] <minimec> CAPcap: Yes you can.
[22:36] <quizme> compuhacker thanks....
[22:36] <CompuHacker> Anytime.
[22:36] <CAPcap> is it possible to remove one of them after if u decide u dont want it, without damagind the other?
[22:36] <leper_> hello
[22:36]  * dupondje getting frustrated on CIFS
[22:36] <minimec> CAPcap: Yes, it is.
[22:36] <CAPcap> ok
[22:36] <leper_> i have a problem with sound on a netbook
[22:36] <CAPcap> just wondering for the future
[22:37] <leper_> i can make sound works
[22:37] <leper_> can't
[22:37] <minimec> CAPcap: np It's good wondering.
[22:37] <cjae> http://pastebin.com/m6b70f526
[22:37] <leper_> can someone helpme please
[22:38] <dupondje> Why is wireshark run without root permissions ?
[22:39] <CAPcap> ok im at the Prepare Disk Space point. i can install them side by side which i dont want cuz its theyre both ubuntu 9.10 Erase and use the entire disk, and specify partitions manual. what do i want to do?
[22:39] <dupondje> it doesn't have access to eth devices without being root
[22:39] <plustax> leper_  i can help you
[22:39] <leper_> thank you plustax
[22:40] <plustax> leper_ running 9.10?
[22:40] <leper_> well my friend, i have a netbool a toshiba nb200
[22:40] <CAPcap> minimec which do i want?
[22:40] <leper_> yes las ubuntu remix
[22:40] <leper_> last i mean
[22:40] <plustax> okay. I can vnc into your system and fix it if you'd like
[22:41] <CodeWar> just installed 9.10 and I cant access my cdrom anymore .. after I inject a cd nothing prompts up and /media/cdrom ls doesnt show anything
[22:41] <CodeWar> this is the same cd I used to install 9.10 so ..
[22:41] <minimec> CAPcap: you can use the entire disk. Isn't there a wizard? Click next you can always come back.
[22:41] <zenlunatic> CodeWar: modded fstab?
[22:41] <plustax> CodeWar im actually having the exact same problem
[22:42] <CodeWar> zenlunatic, nopes but this is the original contents /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[22:43] <leper_> plustax: what is vnc?
[22:43] <MorphyNOR> !vnc | leper_
[22:44] <leper_> thank you MorphyNOR
[22:44] <leper_> plustax: can you do it?
[22:44] <MorphyNOR> thank ubottu
[22:44] <CAPcap> well i'll be back later i have to go. if i need more help i'll be back
[22:44] <minimec> CAPcap: bye +cu
[22:45] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, bad news. I rebooted, and Grub isn't working. I installed Grub2 earlier on, and now it's not even giving me boot options.
[22:45] <CodeWar> anybody? in fact cdrom doesnt even show up in nautilus .. whats the way to query my drive and check if it responds on the bus?
[22:45] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, so at the moment. I have an expensive brick.
[22:46] <zenlunatic> what device have you bricked
[22:46] <Hilikus> hwo do i make the permissions of a new folder be the same if they are inside a given directory?
[22:47] <SealedWithAKiss> soreau, any experience with Grub?
[22:47] <morphix> CodeWar: try doing: dmesg | grep "Attached" | grep "CD"
[22:47] <erUSUL> CodeWar: try to manually mount it? "devkit-disks --mount /dev/sr0"
[22:47] <meowbuntu> hi all i have a problem i need to edit the boot infomation where is fstab in grub 2
[22:47] <Hilikus> so any mkdir inside /private would have 600 for example
[22:47] <quizme> what is libusb and hotplug?
[22:47] <CodeWar> morphix, [    4.480987] sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[22:47] <MorphyNOR> Hilikus: any subdir of any directory will have the same permissions
[22:48] <morphix> so its /dev/sr0
[22:48] <MorphyNOR> Hilikus: unless you change that manually
[22:48] <morphix> not scd0
[22:48] <morphix> so change your /etc/fstab entry
[22:48] <phong_> question: how to mount  a an iso and install program from it
[22:48] <Hilikus> MorphyNOR: thats not what i'm seeing
[22:48] <morphix> CodeWar: ^
[22:48] <phong_> any idea?
[22:48] <phong_> i have an iso file how to make it a drive for it
[22:48] <MorphyNOR> Hilikus: make sure you're using the correct user when making those dirs :)
[22:48] <erUSUL> morphix: /dev/sr0 is alink to /dev/scd0 or viceversa
[22:49] <JeffM> is there a way to find out who maintains a specific package?
[22:49] <MorphyNOR> !mount | phong_
[22:49] <erUSUL> morphix: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2010-01-17 14:38 /dev/scd0 -> sr0
[22:49] <MorphyNOR> hmm
[22:49] <morphix> erUSUL: well i used to have scd0 in my fstab
[22:49] <zenlunatic> JeffM: apt-cache show package
[22:49] <morphix> and my dvdrw drive never worked
[22:49] <phong_> can't you just give me answer?
[22:49] <CodeWar> morphix, thats a good catch let me try changing and rebooting
[22:49] <leper_> hello i can make the speaker sound on a toshiba nb200
[22:49] <leper_> i can't i mean
[22:50] <JeffM> zenlunatic: I don't actualy use ubuntu, I'm a project administrator of software that's being included, and I need to talk to whoever's making the packages about the version that they are using now.
[22:50] <SealedWithAKiss> I attempted to upgrade Grub to Grub2. Since upgrading, whenever I boot my system Grub displays Error 15 and hangs. I can't boot into any OS, and at the moment I'm using a Live CD. Has anybody had this error, or can anybody help?
[22:50] <Hilikus> MorphyNOR: http://pastebin.com/m1f058f3
[22:50] <mariooliveira> hi
[22:50] <meowbuntu> also i need the uuid of all my partitions
[22:51] <erUSUL> !uuid
[22:51] <mariooliveira> im having issues on  sound. on sound preferences i dont have any hardware to select. there is some issues about sound. anyone knows how to fix this
[22:51] <zenlunatic> JeffM: google ubuntu package database
[22:51] <IdleOne> phong_: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[22:51] <MorphyNOR> phong_: check if Gmount is still around
[22:51] <ballsac> hey
[22:52] <ballsac> my toilet doesn't flush very well
[22:52] <ballsac> how to fix? any ideas guys ?
[22:52] <Hilikus> MorphyNOR: .. and tmp don't have the same permissions
[22:52] <ballsac> i gotta "go" there soon
[22:52] <JeffM> zenlunatic: yeah did that before I came here, can't realy see on the page where it says who's doing it and how to contact em ;)
[22:52] <leper_> hello i can't make the speaker work on a toshiba nb200 netbook with ubuntu karmic
[22:52] <mariooliveira>  i  got  audio problems too
[22:53] <SealedWithAKiss> I attempted to upgrade Grub to Grub2. Since upgrading, whenever I boot my system Grub displays Error 15 and hangs. I can't boot into any OS, and at the moment I'm using a Live CD. Has anybody had this error, or can anybody help?
[22:53] <mariooliveira>  in sound preferences i dont have any hardware to choose from
[22:54] <leper_> hello i can't make the speaker work on a toshiba nb200 netbook with ubuntu karmic
[22:54] <mariooliveira> well i cant make it work on my desktop
[22:54] <Tartaros> SealedWithAKiss: error 15 is a known condition, have you tried the help on the web:
[22:54] <Tartaros> ?
[22:55] <SealedWithAKiss> Tartaros, I have tried browsing the internet for solutions. Since I'm a novice, none make any sense.
[22:55] <mariooliveira> omg im almost a bout to change for open suse :(
[22:55] <boss_mc> SealedWithAKiss: see my pm
[22:56] <n8lag> I am trying to record with microphone using parec.  it says 'connection refused.' any ideas why?  thanks
[22:56] <mariooliveira> i have audio problems too
[22:56] <BluesKaj> mariooliveira, threatening to change OSs won't help you get help
[22:57] <mariooliveira> lol
[22:58] <BluesKaj> mariooliveira, aplay -l in the terminal ...what soundcard?
[22:59] <mariooliveira> card 0: VT82xx [HDA VIA VT82xx], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[22:59] <mariooliveira>   Subdevices: 1/1
[22:59] <mariooliveira>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[22:59] <mariooliveira> card 0: VT82xx [HDA VIA VT82xx], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]
[22:59] <mariooliveira>   Subdevices: 1/1
[22:59] <FloodBot3> mariooliveira: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:59] <mariooliveira>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[22:59] <Tartaros> mariooliveira, n8lag, leper: the info of your problems is too vague. Youre supposed to say what exactly doesnt work and what exactly you tried to make it work
[22:59] <Tartaros> "it says connection refused" is really not enough of a description
[23:00] <hipitihop> Ever since I have upgraded to Karmic, my bluetooth keyboard & mouse work for some time and then drop out, needing me to either remove and reinsert the dongle or force repairing. Is this a known issue with the bluetooth stack ?
[23:00] <mariooliveira> i dont have any hardware on sound preferences to select
[23:01] <mariooliveira>  but  when i rebooted computer is i had sound
[23:01] <parmita> hi. has anyone here worked with ftdi breakout boards?
[23:01] <chrisf1> I'm running an old version of the ubuntu server (8.04) and I would like to upgrade to latest. Running update-manager does not give me the option to do a dist-upgrade. What's the best way to get updated? Thanks!
[23:02] <parmita> i get an error: cant open device everytime i try to run my code for ft232r
[23:02] <LjL> chrisf1, from 8.04 you can't upgrade directly to the latest version, but only to the following one (8.10). since 8.04 is an LTS release, though, you will be able to upgrade to the next LTS, which should come out in April i think
[23:03] <chrisf1> How do I do that? I want a clean way to upgrade version->version
[23:03] <erUSUL> chrisf1: 8.04 --> 8.10 --> 9.04 --> 9.10
[23:03] <Xarver> Is there a way to increase volume of a ogv video with a gui?
[23:03] <leper_> hello i can't make the speaker work on a toshiba nb200 netbook with ubuntu karmic
[23:03] <erUSUL> chrisf1: or wait until april and do 8.04 --> 10.04
[23:03] <leper_> hello i can't make the speaker work on a toshiba nb200 netbook with ubuntu karmic
[23:04] <erUSUL> !repeat | leper_
[23:04] <LjL> !upgrade > chrisf1    (chrisf1, see the private message from ubottu)
[23:04] <dupondje> jami: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/508930
[23:05] <n8lag> oh well,  i typed 'parec test.wav' and it    said 'connectioon refused'
[23:05] <theblue> hi all.
[23:06] <theblue> i'm trying to set up 9.10 server, and i'm trying to figure out how to create a partition that spans 2 physical disks, in the simplest way.
[23:06] <Stealth_> hi, i have a process running as root using 100% CPU, named .setup.26357
[23:06] <theblue> i'm not sure whether to use RAID or LVM, or what settings to use.
[23:06] <fission6> i am trying to follow the following intstructions: http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lvpm.html i have installed partition manager as they've instructed and rebooted but i do not see partition manager showing up in GRUB? can someone point me in the right direction
[23:06] <mariooliveira> rebooting
[23:07] <NotTooSmart> having a problem with dma on ubuntu 9.10, getting a message in dmesg | grep ata about setting to udma mode 33 becuase of 40-wire cable, but im using an 80 wire... confirmed.....
[23:07] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: maybe the cable is loose or something ? tried replacing it?
[23:08] <Hilikus> how can i know if a file is hard-linked more than once? the terminal seems to know it to colour the string
[23:08] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, the cable works fine on my xp machine, and windows xp sets dma mode 5 on it automatically, so the cable is not the issue
[23:08] <Xarver> Is there a way to increase volume of a ogv video?
[23:08] <parmita> hi everyone..need some ftdi ft232r breakout board interfacing help...anyone?
[23:08] <LjL> Hilikus: stat filename
[23:08] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: then is a kernel bug report it.
[23:08] <erUSUL> !bugs | NotTooSmart
[23:09] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: you can also force the dma mode on the ata link if you want (dunno if it may have ill side effects)
[23:09] <fission6> should partition manager be showing up in grub
[23:09] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, what could happen, I am sure its the right cable...
[23:10] <sje46> hey, I'm trying to play a DVD, but Totem says that it can not read from resource.  But it read DVDs just fine before....
[23:10] <Hilikus> thanks LjL
[23:11] <Xarver> Anyone?
[23:12] <chrisf1> Thanks LjL. Perfect!
[23:14] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: really dunno; you can put something like libata.force=80c or libata.force=udma133
[23:14] <Crinion> hi, my system seems to think I have postgres 8.3 installed and running but It cant apt-get remove it or stop it
[23:14] <Crinion> and ps ax doesnt list it
[23:14] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, put that where?
[23:14] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: really dunno; you can put something like libata.force=80c or libata.force=udma5
[23:15] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: as a kernel boot parameter. in /etc/default/grub in the string that has splash and quiet
[23:15] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: then do « sudo update-grub »
[23:15] <Crinion> how can i force it to remove it or undo the fact that i tried to apt-get remove it
[23:15] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, well, i got one disk with udma 100 and one with 133
[23:15] <Crinion> I cant install any new applications or modules until it is gone
[23:15] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: you can specify the ata device
[23:16] <meganerd> Crinion: sudo apt-get install postgres
[23:16] <Crinion> install it
[23:16] <Crinion> ok
[23:16] <Crinion> good idea
[23:16] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, alrgight i got that file open, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet""libata.force=80c"  ?
[23:16] <jellow> how can i change display to 600x800 ?
[23:17] <jellow> i mean 800x600
[23:17] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: for example my dmesg says for one of my disks ata5.01: ATA-7: Maxtor 6Y080L0, YAR41BW0, max UDMA/133 --> so it will be "libata.force=5.01:udma5"
[23:18] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: no GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet libata.force=80c"
[23:18] <meganerd> jellow: System -> Preferences -> Display
[23:18] <jellow> meganerd: im on fluxbox , removed gnome
[23:19] <jellow> !xorg |  jellow
[23:19] <meganerd> jellow: that was sort of important
[23:19] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: libata.force=80c will afect all ata ports so make sure you have 80 wire cables in all your devices
[23:19] <meowbuntu> how can i mount partitions on my hdd
[23:19] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: if not specify the ata port
[23:19] <meowbuntu> from live cd
[23:19] <erUSUL> !mount | meowbuntu
[23:19] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, I only have the hd/s connected
[23:19] <Xarver> ???
[23:19] <meganerd> jellow: you get to learn xrandr
[23:19] <adamkex> how large is the ubuntu installation?
[23:19] <meganerd> jellow: or install grandr
[23:20] <erUSUL> !requirements
[23:20] <Xarver> Anyone?
[23:20] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL,
[23:20] <NotTooSmart> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet libata.force=80c"
[23:20] <meowbuntu> erUSUL: mount from live cd
[23:20] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, I did sudo update-grub do I reboot now
[23:20] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: ok; good luck
[23:20] <jellow> meganerd: i tried both of them none of them have the screen resolution , They only have 800x480
[23:20] <adamkex> erUSUL: howcome the cd is ~700mb but the installation need at least 4gb?
[23:20] <meganerd> jellow: on my laptop it would look like this: xrandr --output LVDS --mode 800x600
[23:21] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, ill let ya know what it says when the server gets back online
[23:21] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: yes; raead the docs. if you have a specific question come back to us
[23:21] <Xarver> Is there a way to increase volume of a ogv video? My microphone is a bit quiet when recording with recordmydesktop and I don't know how to split the audio
[23:21] <meganerd> jellow:  does xrandr -q list 800x600 as a supported mode?
[23:21] <erUSUL> adamkex: the wonders of data compression ?
[23:22] <erUSUL> Xarver: use an audio editor ? audacity ?
[23:22] <adamkex> erUSUL: ~4gb of data can be compressed to ~500mb?
[23:22] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, it says they are both configured for udma/100 now which is what I think the controller on this pc can do, so I'm guessing its fixed, but is their a way to test?
[23:23] <erUSUL> adamkex: i guess the 4GiB of 0's can be compressed even further ;)
[23:23] <jellow> meganerd: i get xrandr: cannot find mode 800x600
[23:23] <meganerd> Xarver: jellow just run "xrandr -q"
[23:23] <meganerd> jellow: it will list the supported modes
[23:23] <adamkex> erUSUL: ok
[23:23] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: to test the speed ? sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sdx
[23:24] <dragonnutds> anyone out there who can help me
[23:24] <Xarver> meganerd, ?
[23:24] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, heh, i should have done that before so I'd have something to compare.... but sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdx shows them both using udma5 now. so im guessing its all good
[23:24] <Xarver> erUSUL, it's a video. :\
[23:24] <jellow> meganerd: ok got list of supported modes 800x600 not there
[23:24] <erUSUL> !yay | NotTooSmart
[23:25] <meganerd> jellow: what video card is this?  on my system xrandr -q looks like this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m38065463
[23:25] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, alright, one last question :-) if it shows udma5 that means its actually using it yes?
[23:25] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: yes; afaik
[23:25] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, alright, maybe i'll do a DD just to see the speeds ;-p
[23:26] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: but anyway libata.force is a band aid you should still report it as a bug ...
[23:26] <blubaustin> hello
[23:27] <NotTooSmart> erUSUL, I am 99.9% convinced this is the right cable, but i have ordered an 80-wire from amazon.com, Ill change my grub.cfg back and if it does the same thing ill report a bug, I don't want to report prematuraly :-D
[23:27] <fission6> how big should swap space be
[23:27] <erUSUL> NotTooSmart: ok
[23:27] <erUSUL> fission6: depends on how much ram you have
[23:27] <erUSUL> fission6: and if you wat to suspend to disk (hibernate)
[23:28] <fission6> well how can i find out how much ram i have
[23:28] <NotTooSmart> fission6, free
[23:28] <erUSUL> fission6: free -m
[23:28] <blubaustin> Anyways I have a ubuntu 9.10 headless server that is running proftpd 1.3.2c that I compiled from source. The problem is, is that I edited the proftpd.conf to use mod_ban but it doesn't appear that its obiding by the proftpd.conf
[23:28] <fission6> 496 free
[23:28] <fission6> what does that mean
[23:28] <jellow> meganerd: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m273bfc3c , If that helps
[23:28] <kane77> how do I encrypt files in ubuntu?
[23:28] <knxville> Why does my pc not reckon my flash card?
[23:29] <erUSUL> kane77: on the fly? a whole parition? a folder? a single file just once in a while?
[23:29] <jellow> meganerd: My screen was before i plugged in my external monitor
[23:29] <jellow> meganerd: fine*
[23:30] <fission6> sees i have 1/2 gig of ram so what would i want to set for linux-swap size?
[23:30] <kane77> erUSUL, a single file once in a while (I want to store the file elsewhere and be sure it's safe)
[23:30] <meganerd> jellow: is this a netbook by for i in *.JPG; do mv "$i" "${i/.JPG}".jpg; done
[23:30] <erUSUL> kane77: use "gpg -c file" it will ask for a password twice
[23:30] <meganerd> jellow: sorry about
[23:30] <meganerd> jellow: I meant to say is this a netbook?
[23:31] <kane77> erUSUL, thanks, how do I decrypt it?
[23:31] <Hobz> Heyo, I'm trying to get tor set up using privoxy and foxyproxy.  Everything seems to be running, but the check.torproject.org says it's no good.   I tried it with 64KB file and the created pgp file is 20KB :D
[23:34] <kane77> erUSUL, erm, s/pgp/gpg
[23:34] <erUSUL> kane77: it compress it before encrypting
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> Hobz:  there was a tor/privoxy on ubuntu wiki page i followed a few months back - theres a privoxy setting you have to change to make it use TOR i recall.
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> Hobz:  ive also been having issues with privoxy crashing on me under 9.10 lately.
[23:35] <sje46> hey, Totem isn't playing DVDs for me
[23:35] <sje46> I need help
[23:35] <sabgenton> I want to make a init.d script
[23:35] <sabgenton> i think
[23:35] <erUSUL> !dvd | sje46
[23:35] <sabgenton> for sudo  pon bla
[23:35] <Hobz> Dr_Willis, Thanks, I'll have a look
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> sabgenton:  you could just puit the command in /etc/rc.local if its a simple command and not  a real 'service'
[23:35] <sabgenton> ah
[23:35] <sabgenton> thx
[23:36] <sabgenton> Dr_Willis: where do I put poff
[23:36] <sabgenton> for shutdownn
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> sabgenton:  no idea really.  wonder if it reazlly matters if the pc is shutting down. :)
[23:36]  * Dr_Willis has no idea what pon and poff does.
[23:37] <sabgenton> oh it starts a dialer
[23:37] <sje46> the thing that the idiotic bot is failing to realize is that the DVDs were playing fine before
[23:37] <sabgenton> pon myisp
[23:37] <sabgenton> poff
[23:37] <blubaustin> apparently nobody knows about proftpd, and mod_ban.
[23:37] <sabgenton> just offs what whas pond
[23:37] <erUSUL> sje46: no *you* failed to mention it in your question
[23:37] <blubaustin> actually I can quote my question
[23:37] <sabgenton> Dr_Willis: why do you say thats not a reall service
[23:38] <sje46> I asked before, erUSUL but no one bothered to answer me
[23:38] <sabgenton> if I make a script for it the it would be?
[23:38] <blubaustin> ": Anyways I have a ubuntu 9.10 headless server that is running proftpd 1.3.2c that I compiled from source. The problem is, is that I edited the proftpd.conf to use mod_ban but it doesn't appear that its obiding by the proftpd.conf"
[23:39] <jpds> sje46: DVDs are broken in Karmic, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/466389
[23:39] <fission6> "Please unmount any logical partitions having a number higher than 6" i unmounted this but it keeps complaining its not unmounted
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> sabgenton:  is it a actual server that does somting?  sounds like its just a command you are running to connect. Go ahead and write an init script if you want.. or learn to make a upstart script for it.
[23:40] <blubaustin> should I also give a link to my proftpd.conf?
[23:40] <sabgenton> Dr_Willis: hm ok
[23:40] <sje46> where does it say how to fix it though, jpds
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> sabgenton:  you could just put an icon on the desktop to run the command if you wanted to.. make one to turn it off  also.
[23:41]  * Dr_Willis wonders why network-manager isent handling the 'pon' stuiff.. but No idea what pon is :P
[23:41] <sabgenton> pon has been around since time begain I would have thought someone would have made sometthing to daemonize it on start up
[23:41] <komentarze_listy> Hey dudes, anyone here knows how to customize WDM ?
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> sabgenton:  its very likely they have. You checked the forums or wiki pages yet?
[23:41] <sabgenton> !network-manager
[23:41] <sabgenton> checking
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> !info wdm
[23:42] <blubaustin> >_>
[23:42] <erUSUL> Dr_Willis: pon and poff are used to connect to dial up and dsl setted up by pppconfig or pppoeconfig
[23:42] <blubaustin> !info proftpd
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> !ftpd
[23:43] <Hobz> Dr_Willis, Hmm, I've edited the privoxy config, but I'm still getting the same results.  Hmmm
[23:43] <sabgenton> erUSUL: know a nice way to run it as a service on start up
[23:43] <sabgenton> ?
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> !pppoe
[23:43] <StevenX> what's that ntfs thing i need again to write to ntfs?
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> !info ntfs-3g | StevenX
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> StevenX:  its installed by default normally.
[23:44] <sabgenton> oh yeah
[23:44] <sabgenton> rember that link
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> StevenX:  theres also the ntfs-config tool
[23:44] <sabgenton> not adsl
[23:44] <sabgenton> but same diff
[23:44] <erUSUL> sabgenton: i think you can use /etc/network/interfaces for this
[23:44] <erUSUL> sabgenton: add to the file this two lines iface ppp0 inet ppp
[23:44] <sabgenton> yeah the link says it that way
[23:45] <sabgenton> so in stead of pon foo
[23:45] <sabgenton> you just
[23:45] <erUSUL> sabgenton: and "provider <isp_name>"
[23:45] <sabgenton> auto foo
[23:45] <sabgenton> ?
[23:45] <FloodBot3> sabgenton: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <sabgenton> in interfaces
[23:45] <erUSUL> sabgenton: see here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_ppp_connection
[23:45] <erUSUL> sabgenton: then if you also add auto ppp0 the connection will come up with the system
[23:46] <erUSUL> sabgenton: so 3 lines in total ;)
[23:47] <adversarian> After installing ubuntu fine, it stopped working after a night of the computer being shut off. I can't get it to work: it always freezes. I tried to reinstall and the liveCD would freeze, too. I reformatted the computer and tried again. It STILL freezes on the loading logo, after the menu where I specify to install ubuntu. I reinstalled windows, to see if that worked, and it went over fine. Ubuntu still doesn't want to instal
[23:47] <adversarian> I don't understand why it worked fine, and now it suddenly doesn't. I haven't changed anything.
[23:47] <erUSUL> bad ram ?
[23:47] <morphix> thats my first assumption
[23:47] <erUSUL> memtest ?
[23:47] <morphix> ^
[23:47] <adversarian> Well, windows works fine after reinstalling.
[23:48] <sabgenton> lol it allso says
[23:48] <sabgenton> "Failing that, edit /etc/rc.local, and before the last line ("exit 0"), add: "
[23:48] <sje46> ah, found it:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=987947
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> ive had windows 'appear' to work fine on systems with bad ram.. it just crashed a little bit more often
[23:48] <Hobz> Dr_Willis, got it working, thanks for the pointer
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> Hobz:  Thats what i get paid for.. oh wait.. i dont get paid for this...
[23:48] <adversarian> Are there any freeware ram checkers I could try, then?
[23:48] <iceroot> adversarian: memtest
[23:49] <Hobz> Dr_Willis, you get paid in Soul
[23:49] <erUSUL> adversarian: the livecd has memtest
[23:49] <adversarian> erUSUL: Oh! Yeah I forgot. Sorry, I've been up a good while trying to figure this out, haha. I'll try that
[23:49]  * erUSUL does not get an eurocent either :|
[23:50]  * Dr_Willis gets lots of funny looks
[23:50] <knxville> How do I see my flash card?
[23:50] <sabgenton> erUSUL: grr its allot about wvdial which I am not using
[23:50] <erUSUL> knxville: multicard reader?
[23:50] <sabgenton> just plain old pon
[23:50] <knxville> erUSUL: integrated, put it do not show up like with usb sticks or anything
[23:51] <erUSUL> sabgenton: tried editting interfaces ?
[23:51] <sabgenton> yeah I'm slow just tring to figure out what to  type
[23:51] <sabgenton> erUSUL: pastebin suggestion?
[23:52] <erUSUL> sabgenton: two lines 1) auto iface ppp0 inet ppp 2) provider <isp_name>
[23:52] <sabgenton> for what is usually $sudo pon monkeyisp
[23:52] <sabgenton> on the shell
[23:52] <sabgenton> ok
[23:52] <erUSUL> sabgenton: where <isp_name> is what you put after pon in command line
[23:52] <sabgenton> ok cool
[23:52] <sabgenton> thanks I was geting in a muddle
[23:52] <erUSUL> sabgenton: then is two lines 1) auto iface ppp0 inet ppp 2) provider monkeyisp
[23:53] <sabgenton> yep :)
[23:53] <erUSUL> sabgenton: one after the other. the second one indet it a few spaces for readibility
[23:54] <erUSUL> sabgenton: then if you want to manually bring them up or down you can use standar ifup and ifdwon. « sudo ifdown ppp0 » and « sudo ifup ppp0 »
[23:55] <Real_Ubot> Why is it possible to scp frpm my ssh client to the computer that has got ssh server installed, but not from the computer having the ssh server to my ssh client computer?
[23:56] <erUSUL> Real_Ubot: from client machine « scp user@host:/path/to/file /local/path/file_copy » should work; shouldn't it?
[23:57] <knxville> My pc will not reckon my flash card, how to fix this
[23:57] <blakkheim> Real_Ubot: scp user@server:/directory/file /local/directory/filee
[23:57] <sabgenton> erUSUL: gota go but I'll restart and see what happens
[23:58] <sabgenton> :)
[23:58] <erUSUL> sabgenton: ok
[23:58] <htaccess> how can i graphically switch users when not running gnome?
[23:58] <sabgenton> :
[23:59] <htaccess> im trying to use the fast-user-switch-applet but cant seem to get it to run
[23:59] <sabgenton> :)
[23:59] <htaccess> /usr/lib/fast-user-switch-applet/fast-user-switch-applet ? is there some specail way to invoke this if i dont have a gnoime menu?


[04:45] <nk121> anyone around? trying to merge to cloud-init files and not having any luck
[04:46] <nk121> the file /var/lib/cloud/instances/INSTANCE_ID/cloud.cfg  only shows the first file, and i can see both files in user-data.txt
[05:36] <nk121> n/m its working now
[05:43] <nk121> well, working more, its combining the two files, but its replacing sections, not combining
[05:43] <nk121> this doc http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/merging.html  seems to imply the new way should combine
[05:44] <nk121> and it gives an exact example of what i'm looking for -- combinging run_cmds
[05:57] <nk121> i tried the merge_how from comment #4 from https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1316323
[05:57] <nk121> but same thing
[05:57] <nk121> my run_cmd section is not merging
[06:05] <nk121> merge_how: "dict(allow_delete,recurse_array)+list(recurse_array,append)"
[06:05] <nk121> shouldn't that list(recurse_array,append) do the trick?
[10:43] <zilberstein> harlowja_away, I specified timezone as the following:
[10:43] <zilberstein> timezone: UTC
[10:43] <zilberstein> doesnt work
[10:43] <zilberstein> I specified timezone in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[10:43] <zilberstein> but it was not set
[12:50] <zilberstein> so why that bloody cloud-init do not set timezone ?!
[12:54] <Odd_Bloke> zilberstein: Is there anything in /var/log/cloud-init.log to suggest the problem?
[12:57] <zilberstein> Odd_Bloke, nothing related to timezone
[12:57] <zilberstein> that's the thing !
[12:57] <zilberstein> it silently ignores timezone !
[12:58] <Odd_Bloke> zilberstein: How are you checking what timezone is set? (And what distro are you on?)
[12:58] <zilberstein> cat /etc/sysconfig/clock, redhat
[12:58] <zilberstein> 6
[12:58] <zilberstein> also /etc/localtime
[13:01] <Odd_Bloke> zilberstein: Is timezone in one of the module lists in cloud.cfg?
[13:04] <smoser> zilberstein, the timezone module only runs once per instance.
[13:04] <smoser> so booting, then changing /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to have it, will not result in a reboot causing any change.
[13:05] <smoser> you'd need to specify user-data to affect it. or either
[13:05] <smoser>  a.) rm /var/lib/cloud/instance/sem/config_timezone && reboot
[13:06] <smoser> b.) sudo cloud-init single --frequency=always --name=timezone
[13:06] <smoser> c.) give user-data (or a part of multipart user-data) including:
[13:06] <smoser>  #cloud-config
[13:06] <smoser>  timezone: UTC
[13:07] <smoser> d.) capture the image, and then deploy it again (which changes the instance-id, which makes that "per-instance" module run again).
[13:08] <smoser> also, as Odd_Bloke said, you have to make sure that the module is enabled in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[13:11] <smoser> i'm not 100% certain that cloud-init timezone works for rhel, but what it looks like it intends to do is
[13:11] <smoser>  delete /etc/localtime
[13:12] <smoser>  symlink /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC
[13:13] <smoser> now, if /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC did not exist, it log an exception 'Invalid timezone'
[13:13] <smoser> zilberstein, ^
[13:24] <zilberstein> smoser, I know. Timezone was configured before instance started
[13:25] <smoser> zilberstein, cloud-init will configure it (i think correctly), but only does that once per instance. cloud-init is about initialization, not runtime sytem configuration.
[13:25] <zilberstein> smoser, I thought cloud-init should remove /etc/localtime and create new symlink on its own
[13:25] <smoser> well, it does.
[13:25] <smoser> once per instance.
[13:26] <smoser> launch an instance with the user-data (in 'c' above) and see if you get what you want. or do 'a'. i think it will.
[17:21] <nk121> good morning friends
[17:21] <nk121> i'm having trouble merginging to cloud init configurations
[17:22] <nk121> i don't understand the merge syntax
[17:22] <nk121> its not combining my runcmd and write_files sections, but instead overriding them in the second file
[17:34] <harmw> smoser: whats that ubuntu version and branch for cirros-dev again?
[17:37] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/cirros
[17:37] <harmw> sry, u meant the updated buildroot for ubuntu 14.04 (?) :)
[17:37] <harmw> *I meant
[17:38] <smoser> ah
[17:38] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cirros/buildroot-upgrade
[17:38] <harmw> cool
[17:39] <nk121> smoser: any tips on how to debug merges?
[17:41] <harlowja> nk121 eck, damn merging :(
[17:41] <nk121> :(
[17:41] <harlowja> haha
[17:41] <harlowja> i sorta created it, unleashed it on the world, lol
[17:41] <nk121> thanks :)
[17:41] <harlowja> ^ for better or worse, ha
[17:41] <harlowja> ha
[17:42] <nk121> i feel i'm trying to do something simple, just combine two files, no overwriting
[17:42] <nk121> actually q1- is there a way to re-run the merge without launching a new instance? (i figured out how to re-run cloud init on a box, but thats after the merge step)
[17:43] <nk121> q2- the docs seem to imply the defaults for the new merge style is what i'm looking for, but i don't see that being the case
[17:43] <harlowja> hmmm, i don't think so; pretty sure the merging happens to early
[17:43] <harlowja> let me see if i can make a way for u to try this merge stuff without having to boot instances all the time
[17:44] <nk121> if i don't have any merge_how sections, should the default do what i'm expecting?
[17:44] <nk121> which is, combine the two runcmd and write_files sections from two cloud init files
[17:44] <nk121> not overwrite or replace
[17:45] <nk121> (i'm running on trusty using the ec2 default image)
[17:45] <harlowja> one way to find out :-P
[17:45] <nk121> well so far, does not seem to :P
[17:47] <harlowja> :)
[17:55] <harlowja> nk121 ok, so http://paste.ubuntu.com/10671425/ that should make it easier for u to mess around
[17:55] <harlowja> if u just run that on a vm with cloud-init; u can adjust that and see what the final result is...
[17:55] <harmw> smoser: I noticed some nice fbsd specific additions on LP
[17:56] <nk121> harlowja: ok, i'll give it a shot
[17:57] <harlowja> for example http://paste.ubuntu.com/10671436/ might be what u want
[17:57] <harlowja> that comes up with
[17:57] <harlowja> Merged result:
[17:57] <harlowja> {'a': 'b', 'c': [1, 2, 3, 4]}
[17:57] <harlowja> ^ list appends
[17:57] <harlowja> if u feel like it, keep track of a little readme doc about this while u are learning, could be useful docs for others
[17:58] <harlowja> since i know its not so obvious...
[17:59] <nk121> harlowja: sure, if i figure this out, i'll write up what i did and how to debug it
[17:59] <harlowja> thx; feel free to mutate the above script; probably useful for others to
[17:59] <harlowja> mutate/own/whatever lol
[17:59] <harlowja> maybe mutate not best word :-P
[18:00] <nk121> i follow ya
[18:06] <nk121> wow, its so much faster to develop when you can re-run locally =-]
[18:06] <nk121> and your second paste lead me to the solution
[18:06] <nk121> i only had the merge_how section in the first file
[18:07] <nk121> that seems to not be whats described in Specifying multiple types and its effect  in http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/merging.html
[18:09] <nk121> or maybe i'm just not parsing that right
[18:09] <nk121> (the doc text)
[18:12] <harlowja> ya, u probably don't need it in certain ones, but how it works is that the current payload defines the merge_how ; which will then be used with the prior already merged/whatever yaml
[18:12] <harlowja> it doesn't really retain what was the 'last'
[18:12] <harlowja> although it could i suppose, just doesn't currently
[18:13] <nk121> i think that doc page could use a working example, and an explanation of the merge options
[18:13] <harlowja> sure
[18:13] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/merging.rst
[18:13] <harlowja> commits welcome ;)
[18:13] <harlowja> or any adjustments u feel appropriate
[18:14] <nk121> ok i've added it to my list, i'll give it a shot after i get this milestone completed
[18:14] <harlowja> cools
[18:14] <nk121> but regardless, you've got me unstuck, and i really appreciate that
[18:15] <harlowja> np
[18:15] <harlowja> here to serve!