[12:27] <williammanda> #end
[12:27] <williammanda> # Mythtv
[12:27] <williammanda> begin
[12:27] <williammanda> prog = mythtv
[12:27] <williammanda> button = UP
[12:27] <williammanda> repeat = 3
[12:27] <williammanda> config = Up
[12:27] <williammanda> end
[12:28] <williammanda> line 19 is the space.....wow no space showed during the copy & paste
[12:28] <williammanda> ?
[12:29] <superm1> does it need to be indented?
[12:29] <superm1> all of my configs have always had 3 spaces before prog, button, repeat, and config
[12:34] <williammanda> william@C2D:~$ ircat .lircrc
[12:34] <williammanda> " in /home/william/.lircrc:21 ignored
[12:34] <williammanda> .lircrc: bad file format, /home/william/.lircrc:22
[12:34] <williammanda> same error as myth
[12:34] <williammanda> i'll try indent
[12:34] <superm1> williammanda, also i know its inconvenient, but please do post these in the pastebin
[12:35] <superm1> its inconsiderate to others in the channel
[12:35] <williammanda> sure
[12:56] <rogue780> lawdy lawdy lawd! look at that flood!
[01:50] <williammanda_> http://pastebin.ca/609600
[01:50] <williammanda_> here is my new lircrc file.....look ok?
[01:50] <superm1> okay and this work or no?
[01:50] <superm1> at a glance looks right
[01:52] <superm1> you've got trailing white space
[01:52] <superm1> on every instance of 'mythtv'
[01:53] <superm1> that would be the issue it would appear
[01:53] <williammanda_> nope
[01:53] <williammanda_> no error in myth
[01:53] <williammanda_> wow...i'm stumped
[01:53] <williammanda_> i had this all working before
[01:53] <williammanda_> on the first try
[01:53] <williammanda_> irw gives the remote keys as they are pressed
[01:53] <superm1> do you understand what i had said?
[01:53] <williammanda_> i used the lircconfig website to make the lirc file
[01:53] <williammanda_> yes...space at the end of every line
[01:54] <superm1> i guess running it through ircat myself afterwards its still not working though...
[01:54] <superm1> different error though
[01:54] <williammanda_> i used "ircat ~/.lircrc"
[01:54] <williammanda_> and it didn't return a prompt
[01:58] <superm1> okay two things i had to do
[01:58] <superm1> i removed the trailing white space
[01:58] <superm1> and made sure the line endings were unix line endings
[01:58] <superm1> and then it was able to run through ircat
[01:58] <superm1> with no issues for me
[01:58] <superm1> but i can't try it obviously without your remote
[01:58] <williammanda_> if irw shows each key as it is pressed...shouldn't that tell you that the lircd.conf file is ok?
[01:58] <superm1> lircd.conf yes
[01:59] <superm1> if ircat shows you keys being pressed
[01:59] <superm1> that means lircd.conf and lircrc are correct
[01:59] <williammanda_> k
[02:04] <williammanda_> once I change the lircrc file and save it.....I can just start mythfrontend again without restarting lircd...correct?
[02:07] <superm1> yes
[02:07] <superm1> lircd only needs to be restarted when the lircd.conf is changed
[02:09] <williammanda_> ok the lircconfig website doesn't create good files.....I just made my own and it worked
[02:10] <superm1> that's a shame :(
[02:10] <superm1> is it just the line endings?
[02:10] <superm1> or what is it doing wrong
[02:11] <williammanda_> i need to test one more thing
[02:16] <williammanda_> i tried deleting the spaces at the end of the lines and re-entering a CR....also I tried changing the indent to 3 spaces...no luck
[02:18] <superm1> crazy.  i wonder what is up with his generator then
[02:18] <superm1> otherwise that would have been a great concept
[02:19] <williammanda_> yes i agree
[03:20] <williammanda_> lirc all working now.....
[03:20] <williammanda_> set back and watch a dvd....and gel
[03:21] <williammanda_> thanks for the help
[03:27] <superm1> keescook, are you around this evening, or still in London?
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #97599 in mythplugins (multiverse) "MythWeb sessions no longer working" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97599
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #124842 in lirc (main) "Package new lirc version" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124842
[10:27] <laga> superm1: i'm a kde user, but i could see myself using gnome tools if it was worth it :)
[10:37] <geek> hey
[10:37] <laga> ho
[10:37] <geek> how it going?
[10:37] <geek> whenever i try to get channel listings from zap2it
[10:37] <laga> you get an error message?
[10:37] <laga> ah, so it's still not fixed
[10:37] <geek> yea
[10:38] <geek> but i know my user name and password are correct, otherwise i wouldn't be able to login on the main screen
[10:38] <geek> oh
[10:38] <laga> they seem to have trouble at the moment
[10:38] <geek> it's down/broken/not working
[10:38] <geek> phew
[10:38] <laga> i don't use zap2it so i don't know anything about it :) maybe there's ssomething on the zap2it forums
[10:40] <geek> i've kinda been away from linux for a while and having a little touble getting back into the swing of things like configurations and what not
[10:40] <geek> i've been trying for like 5-6 hours to install the tvTuner card and myth tv
[10:40] <geek> at first i was kinda dumb
[10:41] <geek> in the fact that i was following the tutorials and the step by steps guides exactly
[10:41] <geek> instead of just using them as guidelines lol
[10:41] <laga> heh :)
[10:41] <geek> ROFL the forums won't let me log-in or view anything
[10:41] <laga> :(
[10:42] <laga> ask in #mythtv-users
[10:42] <laga> maybe they know more
[11:22] <geek> hey u still there laga?
[11:23] <geek> anyone here?
[11:38] <OpenMediaSupport> I'm here ;)
[05:09] <laga> re
[05:10] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[05:33] <Daviey> superm1_: ?
[05:54] <superm1> hey mates how was lugradio live?
[05:58] <superm1> laga, take a look at 'meld'
[05:58] <superm1> it appears to be much easier (for me) to use than kdiff3
[05:58] <laga> nice
[05:58] <laga> thanks
[05:59] <superm1> you have to provide the argument to what you want to meld via command line i think (there is no "open" item in the menu)
[05:59] <superm1> but it can do entire directories
[05:59] <superm1> or a 3 way diff
[05:59] <laga> nifty
[05:59] <superm1> from a bzr branch
[06:01] <Daviey> superm1_: it was great - mythtv stand was good.  Nice to speak with the devs
[06:02] <superm1> Daviey, awesome
[06:02] <superm1> anything interesting come out of conv. ?
[06:02] <Daviey> yeah, some stuff
[08:59] <superm1> as I'm reading this from planet: http://www.cypherbios.org/blog/?p=41&language=en
[08:59] <superm1> i'm thinking about the possibilities for the guide on the desktop.  that is quite something else


[07:35] <F3RR1S> if anyone has an "i945" graphics card and you have created an xorg.conf... I would really appreciate a pastebin
[07:39] <szczur> F3RR1S, http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html
[07:39] <Cullz> hi
[07:40] <szczur> but, replace gdm with lxdm in "sudo service gdm stop" line
[07:40] <szczur> hi Cullz
[07:41] <Cullz> just put lxde on standard ubuntu to show my dad
[07:41] <Cullz> having a few bugs
[07:42] <Cullz> one harmless thing is that firefox keeps flashing as needing attention down in the task bar, even when it's open :)
[07:43] <F3RR1S> szczur,  thanks I have seen this but it is not a great help
[07:44] <F3RR1S> checking with the xorg channel
[07:44] <Cullz> also lxde battery monitor wont find my laptop battery. is there a way to add gnome based panel item applets into lxde?
[07:47] <szczur> Cullz, i'm afraid it's not possible
[07:49] <Mkaysi> Why download button directs to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso and not to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir ?
[10:34] <SwB_> Morning, just installed lubuntu but having problems connecting to the wireless network. I find the network alright, however, the network authentication windows pops-up only to disappear 0.1 seconds later not giving me time to enter the network-code. Anyone with any clue what it could be? Thanks!
[11:15] <bioterror> sounds weird
[11:40] <grizli> Hi, I have 10.10 and can't seem to find a switch user option and I really need it.
[11:40] <grizli> Is it even available?
[11:41] <bioterror> nope, not in lubuntu
[11:41] <bioterror> you have to logout :(
[11:44] <grizli> Well, I hope it'll be available in the next version. Otherwise I really like lubuntu.
[11:45] <bioterror> not in natty
[11:45] <bioterror> but yeah, it would be welcome feature
[11:45] <bioterror> as youre not onlyone asking for it
[11:46] <grizli> arghh, why not...
[11:46] <grizli> damn
[11:47] <grizli> today almost every computer has at least two users
[11:47] <bioterror> or every user has atleast two computers ;)
[11:48] <grizli> that too :)
[11:49] <grizli> bye
[13:03] <brodulll> I have a similar problem http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1714&start=0
[13:03] <brodulll> Is this a known bug ?
[13:14] <phillw> brodulll: about the only mention I can find is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9980518
[13:17] <phillw> brodulll: I cannot find mention of it on the mailing list, either.
[15:58] <arkanabar> I'm considering installing on an old 2000 series Dell Dimension desktop; it has 128Mb of ram, with 1Mb dedicated to video.  Think the install will work?
[16:00] <Ahmuck-Sr> does lubuntu have a install to usb key option?
[17:57] <gilir> phillw, are you here ?
[18:31] <dario_> hi
[18:31] <dario_> !it
[18:31] <ubot5`> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[18:35] <bioterror> !fi
[18:35] <ubot5`> Tämä kanava on tarkoitettu vain englanninkieliselle keskustelulle. Jos haluat suomenkielistä apua (K)ubuntun ongelmiin, liity kanavalle #ubuntu-fi / #kubuntu-fi :-)
[18:43] <mark76> !cy
[18:43] <mark76> !cm
[18:44] <mark76> !we
[18:44] <mark76> Bah. ubot5 doesn't know Welsh :p
[18:47] <AndrewMC> !welsh
[18:47] <AndrewMC> nope i guess not
[18:50] <jarnos> I have three screensaver daemons running when I start lubuntu netbook session.
[18:50] <jarnos> two xscreensavers and one gnome-screensaver
[18:52] <jarnos> lubuntu 10.04 is what I am talking about, but I have installed lubuntu-desktop on xubuntu.
[18:53] <mark76> !taffy
[18:55] <bioterror> jarnos, sounds like our installation is not clean
[18:55] <bioterror> jarnos, I assumed you've installed ubuntu first and then lubuntu-desktop, right?
[18:56] <jarnos> bioterror, xubuntu first
[18:57] <bioterror> jarnos, well
[18:57] <jarnos> bioterror, but it does not include gnome-screensaver, which I have installed separately.
[19:01] <bioterror> !pure
[19:03] <bioterror> jarnos, http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[19:03] <mark76> !ni
[19:03] <mark76> !ja
[19:03] <ubot5`> 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
[19:04] <jarnos> bioterror, yeah, but it is not 10.10, but 10.04
[19:05] <jarnos> bioterror, I wonder if xubuntu has an effect, when you start a lubuntu session or lubuntu netbook session.
[19:06] <bioterror> mark76, weechat + urxvt looooks good
[19:06] <bioterror> !in
[19:06] <ubot5`> #ubuntu-in is the channel for Ubuntu in India
[19:06] <bioterror> !tw
[19:06] <ubot5`> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[19:07] <mark76> !ar
[19:07] <ubot5`> La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe
[19:07] <mark76> Hmm
[19:07] <mark76> I've never used a console IRC client, bioterror
[19:07] <mark76> !ab
[19:08] <bioterror> !sa
[19:08] <ubot5`> For the Saudi Arabia team : /join #ubuntu-sa : للانظمام الى قناة الفريق السعودي - For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
[19:08] <mark76> Aha!
[19:09] <mark76> Are we testing how many languages it knows?
[19:09] <bioterror> mark76, http://ricecows.org/country.png
[19:11] <mark76> Interesting
[19:11] <bioterror> looks good, right?
[19:11] <mark76> Looks like IRC
[19:12] <mark76> S'okay I supose
[19:12] <mark76> suppose
[19:12] <bioterror> utf-8 is nice, I gotta admit it
[19:12] <mark76> Yeah
[19:13] <mark76> BRB
[19:14] <bioterror> wtf
[19:14] <bioterror> my taskbar settings is missing "show applications from all workspaces"
[19:17] <jarnos> But why there are two xscreensavers running. It is not even ticked in Desktop Session Settings.
[19:17] <bioterror> dunno
[19:17] <bioterror> :D
[19:18] <bioterror> sad157    1351  0.0  0.0  54516  2528 ?        S    20:51   0:00 xscreensaver -no-splash
[19:18] <bioterror> I've got one
[19:29] <bioterror> joe!
[19:37] <leszek> hi
[19:38] <bioterror> hi
[19:39] <bioterror> yeah, I've got on my 11.04 laptop "show windows from all desktops"
[19:39] <bioterror> and my 10.10 installation lacks that one
[19:39] <bioterror> not good!
[19:39]  * bioterror wonders if I would upgrade my desktop too...
[19:39] <leszek> hmm... this is basically a windowmanager (openbox) feature
[19:40] <leszek> I guess you just need the same newer version that natty ships with on your maverick installation
[19:44] <bioterror> hi retku
[19:44] <mark3> Does weechat have any way of doing multiple rooms? bioterror
[19:44] <bioterror> mark3, what do you mean by rooms?
[19:44] <bioterror> channels?
[19:44] <mark3> Yes
[19:44] <bioterror> like #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:44] <mark3> Yes
[19:45] <bioterror> /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <bioterror> mark3, http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_quickstart.en.html
[19:47] <bioterror> mark76, if you have more than 10 windows, you can use meta+j numebers
[19:47] <bioterror> like alt+j 23
[19:48] <bioterror> and you get to window 23
[19:58] <bioterror> [38%] 4299kB/s 46s  1s
[19:58] <bioterror> fetching update
[19:58] <bioterror> :D
[20:03] <bioterror> mark76, you see?
[20:24] <mark76> Hey nothing
[20:28] <bioterror> problems disappeared
[21:04] <bioterror> gilir, I upgraded my desktop to 11.04 as I had some problems with my installation
[21:06] <bioterror> nm-applet didnt show icon at all and show windows from all desktops was gone from task bar settings
[21:07] <bioterror> seems like I'm really hunting bugs now :D
[21:07] <bioterror> gilir, question. are you reading
[21:08] <bioterror> gilir, some people are asking user switching
[21:12] <gilir> bioterror, please report bugs for your issues
[21:13] <gilir> and user switching is not available with LXDM, you need GDM
[21:14] <bioterror> well, if I see bugs :D
[21:24] <Newk> hi there.. the problems that i have with 10.10 and my graphics card and X could be related to not using the "nopat" option when booting the kernel.. what will that disable?
[21:24] <bioterror> nopat?
[21:25] <bioterror> http://lwn.net/Articles/278994/
[21:28] <Newk> ah thanx!
[21:30] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[21:31] <kosaidpo> i wanna edit the http.conf file and iwanna make sure im editin the write one well im sayin this cus i think there more
[21:31] <Newk> so i will lose some flexability regarding to memory handling when using the NOPAT boot-option
[21:31] <kosaidpo> btw the one i found under /etc/apache2 its empty
[21:32] <bioterror> kosaidpo, how about locate httpd.conf?
[21:33] <kosaidpo> bioterror: i triend find and it was so verbose so many lines with so much time okies ill try locate
[21:33] <kosaidpo> bioterror: thanks :D
[21:33] <bioterror> or find / |grep http(d).conf
[21:33] <Newk> going to try it anyway, bioterror, thanx for finding that.. strange i googled but couldnt find any good explantion
[21:33] <bioterror> Newk, if it fixes your proble, go for it
[21:34] <kosaidpo> bioterror: locate its really cool
[21:34] <kosaidpo> so fast
[21:34] <kosaidpo> n precise
[21:34] <bioterror> locate uses database
[21:34] <bioterror> find does the same as locate when running that updated
[21:34] <kosaidpo> i kno its default but im sure ill never
[21:34] <bioterror> updatedb
[21:34] <kosaidpo> create a new file then search for it :P
[21:35] <kosaidpo> bioterror: thanks  but is it normal if this file is empty ?
[21:35] <bioterror> no
[21:35] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed early this time
[21:35] <bioterror> laters mate
[21:35] <bioterror> even I need to sleep sometime :)
[21:35] <kosaidpo> have a deep sleep bioterrorq
[21:35] <kosaidpo> bioterror:
[23:32] <Kurdistan> hey guys there is a bug in lubuntu menu. some application I uninstall is still there. like arista transcoder. gnome search.


[05:38] <zyga> good morning happy Monday for a change :)
[05:52] <zyga> hey mardy o/
[05:55] <mardy> zyga: hi!
[06:04] <mborzecki> morning
[06:07] <mardy> mborzecki: 'morning! Let me know, when you want to discuss the cgroups issue
[06:08] <mborzecki> mardy: sure, let me set something up in the calendar
[06:45] <mborzecki> mardy: heh, i'm a muppet, added a meeting but haven't added you to it ;)
[06:50] <zyga> heh
[06:50] <zyga> mborzecki, do you want me to listen?
[06:53] <ogra> we seem to have some angry opensuse users on the forum, seems something broke there recently
[06:54] <zyga> ogra, hey :)
[06:56] <mborzecki> ogra: hey, which topic? can you share a link?
[06:58] <ogra> one sec
[06:58] <ogra> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/telegram-desktop-stopped-to-work-in-suse-tumbleweed-glibc-error/26741
[06:59] <ogra> (there was at least a second one from another person i can't find now)
[07:00] <mborzecki> ok, let me see
[07:00] <ogra> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-wont-open-installed-apps-after-nvidia-driver-instalation/26765
[07:00] <ogra> though the second one might be an nvidia bug
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:04] <zyga> pstolowski, hey
[07:12] <zyga> good morning mvo
[07:19] <mvo> good mornin gzy
[07:19] <mvo> good morning zyga :)
[07:22] <mup> PR snapd#10841 closed: interfaces/dsp: add a usb rule to the ambarella flavor <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <cherry-picked> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10841>
[07:22] <mup> PR snapd#10842 closed: interfaces/apparmor/template.go: allow inspection of dbus mediation level <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10842>
[07:25] <mvo> pstolowski: is 10737 ready? I see two +1
[07:27] <mup> PR snapd#10826 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: workaround BPF memory accounting, update apparmor profile <cgroupv2-impish> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10826>
[07:27] <mup> PR snapd#10832 closed: tests: skip system-usernames-microk8s when TRUST_TEST_KEYS is false <Simple 😃> <cherry-picked> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10832>
[07:35] <pstolowski> mvo: yes it is
[07:37] <pstolowski> mvo: failures are unrelated
[07:51] <mvo> ta
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1945172 opened: Too many previous versions by default <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945172>
[08:02] <mup> Bug #1945172 changed: Too many previous versions by default <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945172>
[08:08] <mup> Bug #1945172 opened: Too many previous versions by default <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945172>
[08:25] <mardy> mvo: hi! Can you please enable CI on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10838 ?
[08:25] <mup> PR #10838: Component tests <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10838>
[08:36] <mvo> mardy: I have no idea why it's not running there tbh
[08:36] <mvo> mardy: I don't see anything that I can do to enable it from clicking around a bit
[08:52] <mup> PR snapd#10843 opened: disks: add `Size()` to disks interface <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10843>
[08:57] <mup> PR snapd#10843 closed: disks: add `Size()` to disks interface <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10843>
[09:00] <mborzecki> fun, so building static go bianries no longer works with the usual flags with g 1.17
[09:00] <mborzecki> or maybe that's glibc
[09:00] <mborzecki> idk
[09:01] <mborzecki> ogra: ^^ also why opensuse is broken
[09:01] <ogra> ouch
[09:05] <pstolowski> ogra: seems we jumped onto #1945172 at about the same time ;)
[09:05] <mup> Bug #1945172: Too many previous versions by default <Snappy:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945172>
[09:07] <ogra> pstolowski, hah ! at least we didnt contradict each other 😄
[09:08] <pstolowski> ogra: yup :)
[09:24] <mardy> mvo: I think it's because I'm modifying the github actions file
[09:25] <mardy> mvo: try to see if there's a button below, near the secion when it shows the CI results
[09:27] <mvo> mardy: I don't see anything there unfortunately
[09:31] <mardy> mvo: nevermind, I'm not working on them today anyway, I'll have a look maybe tomorrow
[09:31] <mardy> might be because of the merge conflicts
[09:31] <mvo> mardy: yeah, let's chat tomorrow
[09:31] <mardy> (I didn't notice them before)
[09:31] <mborzecki> nvm, seems like it was built correctly
[09:36] <mardy> mborzecki: so, I added a panic() in snap-run after the loop that checks for the scope creation, and the panic didn't not happen, yet our process was moved
[09:36] <mardy> mborzecki: I'll try to play a bit with delegation
[09:37] <mborzecki> mardy: the panic would happen if we're not moved, or we were not moved but it didn't happen?
[09:43] <mborzecki> hmm there's clone3?
[09:49] <mardy> mborzecki: it looks like it's looking for the 0-entry in /proc/self/cgroups
[09:52] <mup> PR snapd#10844 opened: disks: add `Size(path)` helper <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10844>
[10:04] <JonathanEsk-Ridd> Sergio Schvezov: me and ian had a look at kdenlive but couldn't work out why it was using the wrong path for loading libraries (kdenlive itself is fine but supporting binaries like kdenlive_render have the problem) if you have any ideas that could be useful https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/kdenlive-cannot-render-any-projects-stuck-in-waiting/26689/4
[10:06] <ogra> JonathanEsk-Ridd, you mean to ping @sergiusens i guess 🙂
[10:13] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10845 ?
[10:13] <mup> PR #10845: interfaces/seccomp: add clone3 to default template <Simple 😃> <Security-High> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10845>
[10:14] <mborzecki> apparently something on opensuse is triggering a codepath in go/glibc that calls clone3 which isn't allowed in our default seccomp profile
[10:17] <mup> PR snapd#10845 opened: interfaces/seccomp: add clone3 to default template <Simple 😃> <Security-High> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10845>
[10:38] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: can you take a look at https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/921730 ?
[10:42] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: heh, this one 🙂 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/921731
[10:43] <ares1028> Hi, I am trying to make a Preconfigured Ubuntu core image without going through the console-conf on the first boot. But when i try to do that it requires a login and a password. Is there a way to provide the snapcraft email id to the Ucore image during image flashing stage so that it can download the keys when it is connected using ethernet?
[10:46] <ogra> ares1028, note i pointed out some solution in #snapcraft already ...
[10:46] <ogra> *solutions
[10:50] <mardy> mborzecki: I'm now trying with these changes: https://github.com/mardy/snapd/commit/f9a9dcefad311e35288d7243b42368017e72bfa2
[10:53] <ares1028> These solutions are of snaps that can be added during the model assertion so that it would add a new netplan on the first boot. I dont have a store account now, so I can't use them on the first boot right?
[10:53] <duncan_bayne> Hi folks - I have a quick question around publishing apps with service dependencies.  Say I have an (open source) app that itself relies on a bunch of other services - Samba, IPFS, etc.  Should I be bundling builds of those services those _into_ my snap (along the lines of https://snapcraft.io/blog/learn-snapcraft-by-example-multi-app-client-server-snap)?  Is there a dependency management mechanism I'm entirely missing?  Or should I
[10:53] <duncan_bayne> have some sort of meta-install that installs and configures my app's Snap, plus any others (e.g. the ipfs snap)?
[10:53] <ares1028> and I will have to install them later using --dangerous tag
[10:53] <duncan_bayne> I have a suspicion there's a FM somewhere that I should go and R :)
[10:57] <ogra> ares1028, well, you can definitely go the cloud-init route with a self-built gadget as long as you do not try to use any defaults: and connect: statements in gadget.yaml
[10:57] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki accepted suse PR just now
[10:57] <ogra> ares1028, and the USB key methid also alwayys works
[10:57] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: thanks!
[10:58] <ogra> *method
[10:58] <zyga-mbp> was that the thing breaking opensuse that ogra mentioned?
[10:58] <ares1028> ok , and I also have another question. Can I auto connect snap interfaces using hooks. Since I dont want to do it manually every time
[10:59] <ares1028> I couldnt find any example regarding this
[10:59] <ogra> ares1028, that requires a signed gagdet ... so only if you have a brand store
[10:59] <ares1028> ohhk thanks
[11:00] <mardy> mborzecki: guess what? with those changes the bug can happen too. Just in that case the PID is moved back to the scope cgroup: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/548Bwh5TWB/
[11:00] <ogra> (or alternatively you can have store declarations defining auto-connections per app snap ... which you can ask for through the store-requests category in the forum)
[11:01] <zyga-mbp> mardy did your theory about systemd behavior check out?
[11:01] <ogra> duncan_bayne, by default snaps have to be self contained ... so normally you'd ship everything your app/service needs to run ... that said, you *can* split it into multiple snaps and make use of content interfaces (so a samba fix would only update the "duncan-samba-server" snap instead of the whole thing)
[11:03] <ogra> (the auto-connecting of content interfaces only works if the snaps come from the same publisher or have been approved as a default provider in the stroe)
[11:03] <mardy> zyga-mbp: nope, I had a look at the source code, and found no confirmation. systemd seems only to move PIDS when cgroups become empty
[11:04] <zyga-mbp> hmm
[11:04] <zyga-mbp> which pids are moved when a cgroup becomes empty?
[11:05] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I don't remember, I didn't pay much attention, since it didn't seem to be relevant for our case
[11:05] <zyga-mbp> it's just seems weird, cgroup being empty means there are no more processes left
[11:06] <mardy> right
[11:06] <ares1028> Hi ogra, where shoul dcloud.conf be placed when i am building gadget for Rpi4? can i place it in SNAPCRAFT_PART_INSTALL/boot-assets/  ?. Do i have to enable cloud init in gadget yaml in defaults tab?
[11:07] <mardy> but now I also realized that I was looking with the wrong premises; at that time it was not clear to me that we were using a scope already
[11:07] <ogra> ares1028, i think it should go to the toplevel dir of the final gaget ...
[11:07] <mardy> so I need to have a second look at the systemd code, because I disregarded all code paths involving scopes
[11:08] <ogra> ares1028, and the existence of the file should be enough
[11:08] <ares1028> ok i will give it a try
[11:08] <ogra> no need to toggle a switch anywhere
[11:12] <ares1028> if i have a brand store account, i should be able to do it through system user assertions rigth?
[11:13] <mardy> mborzecki, zyga-mbp: is it possible to tell spread to run the test on bionic, but with focal's kernel? It would help in ruling out the kernel
[11:13] <zyga-mbp> yes, just install the kernel in prepare
[11:14] <mborzecki> well and reboot
[11:14] <zyga-mbp> I've done something similar in cerberus spread tests if you remember
[11:14] <mborzecki> and somehow you need to make sure that you boot the right kernel too
[11:14] <zyga-mbp> yes
[11:14] <zyga-mbp> that's tricky
[11:14] <zyga-mbp> defaults will be against you
[11:14] <zyga-mbp> but it's all doable
[11:14] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I didn't look at the spread tests :-)
[11:14] <mardy> should I remove all other kernels?
[11:15] <zyga-mbp> you don't have to
[11:15] <mardy> actually, maybe it's simpler if I first try a newer systemd
[11:17] <duncan_bayne> ogra: Thanks - that's where I was headed, but wondered if I was missing something.
[11:22] <mup> PR snapd#10846 opened: desktop: implement gtk notification backend and provide minimal notification api <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10846>
[11:24] <ares1028> Hi ogra, when i add cloud.conf. Can i not disable console-conf in gadget.yaml?
[11:25] <ares1028> You mentioned that i cannot add any defaults in gadget.yaml when i add cloud.conf
[11:25] <ogra> ares1028, you can try ... "system" options might actually work without signing the gadget, not sure
[11:34] <mborzecki> mardy: aha, caught it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YcT8sngRn3/
[11:38] <mup> PR snapd#10820 closed: devicestate: use EncryptionType <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10820>
[11:41] <mardy> mborzecki: congrats ;-)
[11:43] <mborzecki> mardy: hmm for your log, it would be useful to see stderr and SNAPD_DEBUG=1 output from snap
[11:43] <mardy> mborzecki: what systemd version is debian using?
[11:43] <mardy> mborzecki: ok
[11:43] <mborzecki> 247
[11:44] <mborzecki> mardy: but i think there' something wrong with the test itself, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZqZbDmrFRz/ we try to create a scope, but cannot as session bus is inaccessible, and proceed
[11:44] <mardy> mborzecki: oh, that's even newer than focal's
[11:45] <mborzecki> mardy: although I don't have a good answer about the right way proceed here
[11:46] <mborzecki> if we continue to run without it, snap device cgroup will not be set up and thus we are missing a piece of the sandbox
[12:17] <mardy> mborzecki: here's the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RQrdN8ZZ44/
[12:26] <mborzecki> mardy: hmm wondering what happens with the freezer then, we also add the process to a cgroup created by s-c there
[12:28] <mardy> mborzecki: in my case the freezer cgroup is always /, I guess it depends on the snap?
[12:28] <mardy> I mean, on the interfaces used by a snap
[12:43] <mup> PR snapd#10847 opened: cmd/snap-confine: attempt to catch snap processes outside of snap specific cgroup <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10847>
[12:47] <ares0128> Hi ogra, i tried adding the cloud.conf in the top layer but nothing happend. I still had to manually add my mail address. I have another question, I want to add files into /etc/modules file during image building for RPi4 gadget, do you knwo how i can do that?
[12:48] <ares0128> I even tried usign system-files and giving access to that file to snaps, but it still didnt work
[12:48] <ares0128> i editied /etc/hosts the same way but that works
[12:56] <mardy> mborzecki: I think you are right, about that JobRemoved signal
[12:56] <mardy> mborzecki: at least I see that if instead of that loop, I do a sleep of 1 second, my test never fails
[12:57] <mardy> mborzecki: but waiting for the signal would considerably delay our startup...
[13:08] <mup> PR snapd#10833 closed: tests: fix error trying to create the extra-snaps dir which already exists <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10833>
[13:12] <ogra> ares0128, you would need to build your own kernel snap
[13:14] <ares0128> ohh...i have never done that
[14:04] <mardy> mborzecki: weird... so, I can clearly see (with busctl) that I'm passing the right Delegate params to StartTransientUnit, but then, if I run "systemctl show <snap>.scope", I see that it has "Delegate=no"
[14:07] <miguelpires> mvo: can you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10812 please?
[14:07] <mup> PR #10812: o/ifacestate: don't fail remove if disconnect hook fails <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10812>
[14:08] <ijohnson[m]> hey zyga-mbp would you mind moving our chat about MS_SHARED to Wednesday same time ? some stuff has come up today that is a bit more pressing to deal with
[14:12] <mvo> miguelpires: sure
[14:13] <mup> PR snapd#10812 closed: o/ifacestate: don't fail remove if disconnect hook fails <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10812>
[14:14] <miguelpires> ty
[14:27] <mardy> mborzecki: nevermind, my mistake: I was missing the `--user` option in the `systemctl show` command :-)
[14:36] <pstolowski> mvo:  can you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10737 ?
[14:36] <mup> PR #10737: o/snapstate: validation sets enforcing on update <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10737>
[15:58] <mvo> pstolowski: sure
[15:58] <mup> PR snapd#10737 closed: o/snapstate: validation sets enforcing on update <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10737>
[16:01]  * cachio_ lunch
[16:04] <pstolowski> ty
[16:39] <mup> PR snapd#10848 opened: interfaces/u2f-devices: add GoTrust Idem Key (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945182) <Created by oSoMoN> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10848>
[17:14] <mup> PR snapd#10849 opened: o/snapstate: prevent install hang if prereq install fails <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10849>
[18:04] <mup> PR snapd#10850 opened: o/snapstate: improve install/update tests <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10850>
[18:14] <mup> PR snapd#10851 opened: many: support "device-setup"/"device-unlock" hooks <⛔ Blocked> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10851>
[22:35] <mup> PR snapd#10852 opened: osutil/disks: add DiskFromDevicePath, other misc changes <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10852>


[08:24] <eekfonky> how do I sync my files from the web to my desktop, the folders are there but they're empty
[13:36] <philsf> When I click on 'add this computer' button in the webpage, after starting the applet for the first time on a new computer, I am greeted with a keyring prompt that never verifies. To which keyring am I authenticating against? I only have a 'login' keyring
[14:02] <joshuahoover> philsf: is it possible you've changed your login password since you initially set it up?
[14:12] <philsf> joshua: I did
[14:17] <philsf> that was it. thanks
[15:09] <dobey> jblount: i'm surprised you're not dancing or anything yet
[15:12] <urbanape__> we're sprinting.
[15:12] <urbanape__> DONE: Traveled to London
[15:12] <urbanape__> TODO: Sprint
[15:12] <urbanape__> BLOCK: None
[15:12] <urbanape__> wheee!
[15:13] <dobey> oh, right
[15:15] <jblount> dobey: ?
[15:15] <dobey> jblount: it's stand-up time, but i forgot you were sprinting
[15:28] <dobey> alright
[15:28] <dobey> well
[15:28] <dobey> hrmm
[15:28] <dobey> MEETING BEGINS
[15:28] <dobey> desktop+ hackers: say me, you know the drill.
[15:29] <dobey> me
[15:29] <aquarius> me
[15:30] <vds> me
[15:31] <dobey> teknico, thisfred: ?
[15:31] <teknico> me
[15:31] <dobey> rodrigo_: you're sprinting this week?
[15:31] <teknico> did the standup change time?
[15:31] <dobey> no
[15:31] <dobey> just slow
[15:31]  * thisfred is foundations++ :)
[15:31] <dobey> oh
[15:31] <dobey> righ right
[15:32]  * thisfred sometimes forgets that too ;)
[15:32] <rodrigo_> dobey: no
[15:32] <rodrigo_> dobey: on a call now, bbiab
[15:32] <dobey> ok
[15:32] <rodrigo_> but me, yeah
[15:32] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Reviews, #381012
[15:32] <dobey> ☹ TODO: #374890 (may be fixed already)
[15:32] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:32] <dobey> aquarius: hit it
[15:32] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: review duty; much discussion about couch/DC breakage on server with lucio, thisfred
[15:32] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: fix UnknownLoginError and make it be known (#376087); make starting up filesharing also add desktopcouch pairing (#430782)
[15:32] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:32] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 2
[15:32] <aquarius> vds: you're up
[15:32] <vds> DONE:still investigating quota and replication on couchdb, drafted a possible solution
[15:32] <vds> TODO: conference call on couchdb quota
[15:32] <vds> BLOCKED:
[15:32] <vds> teknico all yours
[15:33] <teknico> DONE: spent friday fighting karmic breakage with the help of cjwatson, fixed more bugs and added more tests and docs for adding/editing contacts (#406315), sprint in London
[15:33] <teknico> TODO: more sprinting in London
[15:33] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:33] <teknico> next: noone
[15:33] <dobey> rodrigo is next, but he's on a call :)
[15:33] <rodrigo_> • DONE: GNOME 2.28.0 release tarballs. Started upstream discussion for adding social services accounts config to about-me. Fixed tomboy-love branch as per thisfred's suggestions. Discussed contacts fields with John and Nicola
[15:33] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Propose couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb for GNOME 2.29. Store UUIDs for postal addresses. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. Notes web UI.
[15:33] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:33] <rodrigo_> I can paste though :)
[15:33] <rodrigo_> nobody next
[15:33] <dobey> MEETING ENDS
[15:34] <dobey> thanks
[15:51] <FND> what's the canonical info (as in intro portal) page for DesktopCouch?
[15:51] <FND> I'm trying to convince a few colleagues (developers, some of them Apple cultists) that it might be worth exploring
[15:53] <rodrigo_> FND: https://edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch
[15:53] <greg-g> dobey: sorry about that nautilus crash bug (bug 429126), the duplicate's attachments were deleted by LP after it was marked a duplicate by apport. :(
[15:53] <FND> thanks rodrigo_
[15:53] <rodrigo_> FND: well, https://launchpad.net/desktopcouch would be more correct
[15:53] <FND> hmm I'd seen those pages before
[15:53] <FND> is there a conceptual overview somewhere (other than aquarius's blog)
[15:54] <dobey> greg-g: oh lovely
[15:54] <greg-g> dobey: yeah, its a 'feature'
[15:55] <rodrigo_> FND: aquarius should know better
[15:55] <FND> alright, I'll wait for him to notice the ping then...
[15:56] <aquarius> FND, at the moment there isn't a conceptual overview in any detail; it's a combination of http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch, https://launchpad.net/desktopcouch, the posts I've written, and http://groups.google.com/group/desktop-couchdb
[15:56] <dobey> greg-g: EPIC FAIL
[15:56] <aquarius> FND, if someone were to write such an overview that would be a marvellous thing, though :)
[15:57] <FND> aquarius: I know the feeling - documentation is a PitA...
[15:57] <FND> I guess I'll point them to your blog
[15:58] <FND> (note: I'm not a wholesale evangelist, as I still like my dotfiles... )
[16:29] <FND> aquarius: will Karmic be packaged with any kind of documentation, or are you expecting organic growth
[16:29] <FND> of DC
[16:30] <aquarius> FND, hang on, on the phone
[16:30] <FND> no rush
[17:01] <aquarius> FND, I am hoping to write some docs, certainly!
[17:01] <aquarius> (more than the simple API doc we have at the moment)
[17:02] <aquarius> I want examples and API docs and screencasts and all sorts
[17:02] <popey> \o/ screencasts
[17:02] <popey> :)
[17:05] <FND> I personally don't like video (sequential information uptake at pre-defined speed), but I can see that it would probably help adoption
[17:05] <FND> I guess my main interest right now is accessing data from other sources (using TiddlyWeb, thus trivial to get into a TiddlyWiki)
[17:06] <FND> s/sources/applications/
[17:08] <FND> might also look into making todo.sh (todotxt) write to DC
[17:13] <aquarius> FND, yeah, at the moment there are 4 APIs -- you can talk HTTP, there's desktopcouch.records (Python), there's the JavaScript library inside Bindwood (not yet broken out into its own thing), and there's couchdb-glib (C).
[17:13] <aquarius> todo.sh would probably be best using desktopcouch.records
[17:14] <FND> my main impediment right now is that upgrading my VM to Karmic failed twice; X wouldn't start up anymore after the upgrade (a glorious waste of ~3 hours per session)
[17:14] <FND> so I'll be installing Karmic alpha 6 from scratch
[17:29] <J_Litewski> is there a problem with ubuntuone? I keep getting auth errors
[18:44] <Spike1506> the ubuntu one website has a screenshot with the wrong info on it
[18:45] <dobey> hrmm
[18:45] <Spike1506> https://media.one.ubuntu.com/media/1796/img/install/ubuntuone-client_install.png
[18:45] <Spike1506> its says ubuntuone-client while it is ubuntuone-client-gnome
[18:45] <dobey> ah, so it does
[18:45] <dobey> Spike1506: would you care to file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers for that?
[18:46] <Spike1506> sure
[18:46] <dobey> thanks
[18:56] <Spike1506> for anyone who is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/434169 :-)
[18:57] <dobey> Spike1506: thanks much. we'll fix it very soon :)
[18:58] <Spike1506> yw
[18:59] <Spike1506> ohw and another one for the menu, it doesnt show the icon in the menulist while it does after installation.. (will do a bug report for that later)
[19:00] <dobey> how do you mean? i didn't quite understand that one :)
[19:00] <Spike1506> https://media.one.ubuntu.com/media/1796/img/install/menu_click.png
[19:01] <dobey> ah, oh, yes
[19:01] <dobey> thanks!
[19:03]  * Spike1506 knows some people who call me when they try to do something and something doesnt like familiar to the screenshot like a missing icon :( :P
[19:04] <dobey> heh
[19:04] <dobey> i know what you mean :)
[19:17] <Spike1506> is ubuntu one able to deal with symlinks? since i dont wanna duplicate my data
[19:19] <dobey> we don't handle symlinks currently, no.
[19:20] <Chipaca> Spike1506: you can move it to the ubuntuone folder and then symlink back to it
[19:21] <Chipaca> Spike1506: however, the beta label means we try hard not to lose data for you, but it might happen
[19:22] <Spike1506> well better be safe then sorry, ill just duplicate the data :)
[20:17] <raff0z> hi all!
[20:18] <dobey> hi raff0z
[20:18] <raff0z> did you remember that i had a problem with "add this computer" ??? so it is solved by itself!!! now all works well!!! :P
[20:18] <dobey> well, we fixed it, yes :)
[20:18] <raff0z> great
[20:18] <raff0z> so...what was ?
[20:19] <dobey> i don't remember which problem you were having exactly
[20:19] <raff0z> with the token
[20:19] <dobey> but i'm guessing you installed the update which had several fixes for issues relating to getting the OAuth token
[20:19] <raff0z> when i have installed it.... there wasn't any "add this computer"
[20:19] <raff0z> mmm
[20:19] <dobey> raff0z: right, but there were a few bugs related to it, that we fixed
[20:20] <raff0z> a ok :P
[20:20] <raff0z> but
[20:20] <dobey> most likely the failure due to domain name change
[20:20] <raff0z> i haven't downloaded other software i just ran the ubuntuone daemon and it worked fine!
[20:20] <raff0z> *not software but update
[20:21] <dobey> you didn't update?
[20:21] <raff0z> i don't know if there is an auto-update
[20:21] <dobey> there is an option in ubuntu for automatically updating, yes. but it's not enabled by default afaik
[20:21] <dobey> and i don't know if it automatically installs all updates
[20:22] <dobey> but i don't remember what problem you were having exactly, though i'm glad it's working for you now :)
[20:22] <raff0z> i have connect on start but is the same thing after all it  works ! :P
[20:22] <raff0z> so
[20:22] <raff0z> i must "share" my email with an other ubuntu 9.04+ user to start sharing the files?
[20:23] <dobey> if you want to share your files with someone, they just need a subscription to the file sharing service
[20:23] <raff0z> a ok
[20:23] <dobey> they don't have to use ubuntu (or the desktop ubuntuone-client)
[20:23] <dobey> they can access via the web
[20:24] <raff0z> understood
[20:24] <raff0z> and
[20:24] <raff0z> if i want to download one of your files?
[20:24] <raff0z> (for example xD)
[20:24] <dobey> but yeah, just pick a folder to share, and enter their e-mail address, and they can accept the share
[20:24] <dobey> i would have to share a folder with you, and you'd accept it
[20:24] <raff0z> via mail
[20:25] <raff0z> with mail
[20:25] <dobey> yes
[20:25] <raff0z> understood :P
[20:25] <raff0z> thx
[20:26] <raff0z> a "wonderfull" servce ;P
[20:28] <dobey> thanks :)
[20:30] <raff0z> :P
[20:35]  * jdo is happy his U1 service started syncing again today
[21:40] <CardinalFang> jblount, did you see my meeting notes in time, this morning?
[21:40] <sysdoc> Hi guys my UbuntuOne fails to connect since I believe an update that installed a while back. Where exactly do you change/alter the settings regarding the user/pass, etc?
[21:42] <CardinalFang> sysdoc, the user/pass in stored in the Gnome Keyring.  Running "seahorse" will get you to them.  That's the local copy, though,
[21:42] <sysdoc> That is the one I need thanks
[21:42] <CardinalFang> sysdoc, If you delete it there and run the applet again, I think it will behave like it did the first time.
[21:56] <sysdoc> CardinalFang, I have no entry in Seahorse for the UbuntuOne connection, no wonder it doesn't connect... So I'm wondering how to get it to store the user/pass correctly?
[21:58] <sysdoc> hmm post before that last on was supposed to read: CardinalFang the user/pass is not in Seahorse. Sorry dunno know what happened there
[23:13] <dobey> sysdoc: what version of ubuntuone-client-gnome do you have?


[08:05] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ping
[08:25] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: ping
[11:55] <dandrader> greyback_, qtmir part of the mouse pointer work is pretty much done. only some optional polishing left.
[11:56] <dandrader> greyback_, unfortunately I had to come up with our own cursor API as Qt's is not expressive enough :(
[11:56] <dandrader> greyback_, but I'm supporting both
[11:57] <greyback_> dandrader: hey. What is Qt's API lacking?
[11:57] <dandrader> more shapes in its cursor shape enum
[11:57] <greyback_> dandrader: also, could you please run the unity8 strip-tags on your qtmir branches, it's got infected somehow
[11:57] <dandrader> greyback_, for resizing we use 8 different cursors
[11:58] <dandrader> greyback_, but Qt's enum has only 4
[11:59] <greyback_> naturally
[11:59] <greyback_> oh well, your approach sounds like the best thing to do
[11:59] <greyback_> have you tested it on the nexus7, i.e. the rotated scene?
[12:00] <dandrader> greyback_, so far tested only in my touchscreen laptop with qml-demo-shell. Added a rotation button there
[12:00] <dandrader> greyback_, next step is unity8
[12:00] <greyback_> cool
[12:01] <dandrader> greyback_, how is the app lifecycle silo going?
[12:02] <greyback_> dandrader: landed a precursor, now trying to get it going. the gcc5.0 transition complicates things
[12:03] <dandrader> greyback_, so you said that some qtmir branch of mine got bogus tags from unity8?
[12:03] <greyback_> dandrader: not just yours, seems they've been in there for a while
[12:04] <greyback_> for i in `ls`; do cd $i && strip-tags.py . && strip-tags.pg :push && cd ..; done
[12:04] <greyback_> might help
[12:04] <greyback_> oops, typo
[12:05] <dandrader> wow, even some compiz tags...
[12:06] <dandrader> greyback_, so, do you have an ETA for landing them?
[12:07] <greyback_> dandrader: hope to get silo in working order soon, then will test. ETA maybe Thurs
[13:16] <kgunn> davmor2: hey, on this gcc5 bug you just logged, i better ask  - how exactly are you testing ? e.g. is this a "special" unity8 that's been built against gcc5 ?
[13:17] <kgunn> cause the real unity8 built against gcc5 is stuck in migration (like everything else :-/ )
[13:17] <kgunn> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8
[13:17] <davmor2> kgunn: there is a chnnel
[13:18] <kgunn> davmor2: where is that channel coming from ?
[13:18] <kgunn> i guess, i'm questioning it, since gcc5 is turned on in wily and migration is borked...shouldn't we be focused on the wily channel ?
[13:19] <davmor2> kgunn: see pm
[14:02] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: ping
[14:02] <tsdgeos> cimi: to unittests changes for you!
[14:02] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/expandable_test_fixes/+merge/266875
[14:02] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/testExpandableHeights/+merge/266876
[14:13] <mhall119> kgunn: if I wanted to keep up with the daily development of Unity8, can I do that on vivid or do I need to upgrade to wily?
[14:14] <mhall119> by "keep up" I mean build and run the latest trunk for dev/testing, not daily use
[14:23] <kgunn> mhall119: for latest, it would be vivid+o, so ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu(or something.en whatevah)
[14:24] <kgunn> mhall119: also unity8 source code is the same in wily and vivid+o today...but all the devices on the horizon are targeting vivid+o
[14:28] <tsdgeos> yeah vivid won't work, you need vivid+ppa
[14:29] <tsdgeos> anyone know why the CI can't compile anymore? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-wily/171/console
[14:29] <tsdgeos> sil2100: Mirv: ↑ ?
[14:30] <sil2100> tsdgeos: you'd have to poke cihelp on #ubuntu-ci-eng
[14:30] <tsdgeos> k
[14:30] <tsdgeos> looks more like a "wily is borked" to me
[14:30] <tsdgeos> trying to install a wily chroot to check
[14:31] <greyback_> tsdgeos: yep, I suspect the gcc4.9/5.0 transition is the blame. It's not done yet
[15:06] <ltinkl> greyback_, tsdgeos: doesn't Ubuntu use a "mass rebuild" from time to time?
[15:06] <tsdgeos> i think it does yeah
[15:07] <greyback_> ltinkl: yep, but it tends to happen after debian does it, so there's an intermediary stage where stuff can be broken
[15:08] <mhall119> kgunn: so I can run the vivid overlay PPA on my laptop?
[15:09] <tsdgeos> mhall119: yes
[15:09] <kgunn> mhall119: afaik you should be able to...
[15:09] <tsdgeos> at least it works for me :D
[15:09] <kgunn> there you go :)
[15:11] <mhall119> cool, will give that a try when I get home, I'd like to get to where I can contribute code and help others get setup to do the sae
[15:11] <mhall119> same
[15:12] <tsdgeos> mhall119: https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ should be uptodate
[15:13] <mhall119> tsdgeos: should be, but since I'm usually the one who updates it, I wouldn't count on it :)
[15:13] <tsdgeos> mhall119: since i updated it 2 weeks ago
[15:13] <tsdgeos> you're wrong and it should be fine
[15:13] <tsdgeos> but yeah don't count on anything you don't do yourself! it's the rule i follow
[15:13] <tsdgeos> that's why i'm single :D
[15:13] <tsdgeos> :(
[15:14] <mhall119> lol
[15:15] <mhall119> tsdgeos: thanks of updating to include the overlay PPA info :)
[15:16] <greyback_> dandrader: hey, can I get this added to your todo list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1481389
[15:16] <greyback_> shouldn't take long
[15:18] <dandrader> greyback_, high priority?
[15:18] <greyback_> dandrader: not as high as your current cursor work
[15:18] <dandrader> greyback_, ok
[15:45] <greyback_> cimi: hey, on your bluetooth problems, have you pinged seb128 for help? Don't give up!
[15:45] <greyback_> I know we have a bluez expert who can help too
[15:46] <cimi> greyback_, yeah, normal bluetoothd doesn't give me anything
[15:46] <cimi> greyback_, what I should try now is to patch system settings source code to spit out debug info from somewhere in the stack
[15:46] <cimi> greyback_, but I suppose this is something I should not spend time doing...
[15:47] <greyback_> cimi: no, that's not your job ;)
[15:47] <greyback_> but there are people who should be able to investigate on your behalf
[15:47] <seb128> if you don't do it nobody else is going ot
[15:47] <seb128> to
[15:47] <seb128> without access to the hwd I doubt
[15:47] <greyback_> seb128: aren't there debug info he can give you that would help?
[15:47] <greyback_> hcitool etc
[15:48] <seb128> I guess, much easier with access to the hwd though
[15:48] <seb128> and everybody is overbusy
[15:48] <seb128> so I doubt we are going to do much for a device specific issue atm
[15:48] <greyback_> fair. I'd just like a way for someone to be able to report useful info to us tho
[15:49] <cimi> yeah, buying a device and being asked to recompile debug info inside some services in order to help...
[15:50] <cimi> I am saying that we need an easy way to debug bluetooth devices and such
[15:50] <cimi> or at least be able to collect info we need so if other people buy kbd that don't work we can fix them without having the device
[15:53] <greyback_> cimi: have you tried pairing it with any other device?
[16:02] <cimi> greyback_, works on desktop, android, ios
[16:02] <cimi> greyback_, it's probably a system settings touch issue
[16:04] <greyback_> cimi: ok. Well sounds like nobody is going to fix it for you right now
[20:06] <dandrader> ltinkl, ping
[20:12] <dandrader> ltinkl, sent you an e-mail instead
[20:51] <mhall119> kgunn: running silo0 on my phone, it keeps freezing up with unity-system-compositor using 100% CPU
[20:54] <mhall119> is this a known problem and is there a way to fix it without re-flashing?
[20:54] <kgunn> mhall119: yep, it's got a fix on the way...prolly tomorrow
[20:54] <mhall119> ok, reflashing it is then
[20:55] <kgunn> well...you could apt-get update with that silo still in your apt sources list
[20:55] <kgunn> we're just fixing that silo in place
[20:55] <mhall119> oh, is it in the PPA?
[20:58] <mhall119> apt-get update && upgrade only shows 4 oxide packages to be upgraded
[21:01] <mhall119> kgunn: is there a way to get that fix now? If not, I'll reflash and try again tomorrow
[21:02] <kgunn> mhall119: best to try again tomorrow....
[21:02] <kgunn> mhall119: and yeah...silo 0 is where we'll keep working, until we land everything
[21:02] <kgunn> we have a goal to eventually not use silo 0
[21:03] <mhall119> will do, thanks
[23:19] <a1fa> has anybody noticed a bug with the terminal, where terminal border, and top menu would dissapear?
[23:20] <a1fa> literally leaving terminal window on its own, unmovable but focusable
[23:23] <a1fa> 2nd issue is unity launcher fails to appear, mostly when working with terminals and chrome browser, going back and forth between the two


[01:03] <johnkn63> Hi  Does anyone know the Debian Import Freeze date for Pangolin?
[01:04] <tumbleweed> johnkn63: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[01:07] <johnkn63> Thank you very much Tumbleweed - 29th December I will have to get that package into Debian soon
[01:08] <micahg> actually, DIF has been moved to Jan 9
[01:10] <tumbleweed> that was changed this afternoon :)
[01:18] <johnkn63> Thank you michag. That's a little better.
[01:18] <poolie> hi, could i please get a review on https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr-core/ubuntu/oneiric/bzr/sru-2.4.2/+merge/81039 ?
[01:19] <micahg> johnkn63: DIF is also just for the automatic imports, you can still request a sync from testing until feature freeze
[01:25] <johnkn63> micahg: Yes, but should I try and see how far I can get with putting the packages into Debian first or should I put in a request straight away to sync with ubuntu?
[01:26] <micahg> johnkn63: no, they should ideally go through Debian first, I'm not suggesting to wait though, the earlier the better
[01:27] <micahg> I was just saying the import freeze is for automatic syncs, we can do manual syncs afterwards if needed
[04:13] <danbeam> Anybody know where I'd be able to find good doc on integrating native apps with Unity?  I'd like to add a download progress bar to Chromium.
[04:15] <danbeam> whoops, sorry, saw topic, should probably go to #ubuntu-app-devel instead
[06:09] <wzssyqa> hi, I multiarched gstreamer, but when install xx:i386 on amd64, I got an error: iso-codes is an virtual package
[06:09] <wzssyqa> what wrong?
[09:40] <speakman> start-stop-daemon seems to "eat" the stdout of the starting application. Any idea how to forward it's output to a file instead?
[11:53] <dimaursu16> hello
[11:53] <dimaursu16> does anyone know a good tutorial about ncurses for linux?
[12:11] <joshuau> hi guys
[12:39] <Bigwhale> Greetings.
[12:47] <Bigwhale> Am I the only one having problems with python, buildout and multiarch?
[12:47] <Bigwhale> more specifically with python imaging
[13:03] <mok0_> Bigwhale: what kind of problems?
[13:29] <Bigwhale> mok0, Python imaging library is looking for freetype and jpeg libs in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x64... or i386
[13:29] <Bigwhale> I'd have to change setup.py
[15:23] <lool> wookey, cjwatson: http://people.linaro.org/~lool/dl-lp-chroot
[16:37] <broder> gyah. why don't we have ubuntu's version of lintian in VCS anywhere?
[16:38] <tumbleweed> aren't we trying to get rid of that delta?
[16:38] <Macs> when i try to start iptables it says "iptables: unrecognized service" can anyone help me?
[16:39] <broder> tumbleweed: i don't know, but there still is one, it doesn't import into udd, and there's no branch in the git repo
[16:40] <broder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/727398/
[16:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's pretty tiny
[16:42] <tumbleweed> you can do packaging without VCS, you know :)
[16:44] <broder> but merging patches for the lintian lab config across uplodas is annoying
[17:23] <geser> just figure out if http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/lintian.html got fixed or not
[17:25] <bjsnider> i don't understand why there would have to be an ubuntu version of lintian
[17:46] <test-ds> !regression-alert
[17:46] <test-ds> bug #482419 (package ifenslave-2.6 in lucid-updates).
[17:47] <test-ds> The fix/patch breaks the use of "bond_primary" in /etc/network/interfaces.
[17:47] <test-ds> See also bug #823366.
[17:52] <LaserJock> bjsnider: at one point anyway there were some ubuntu-specific check in lintian, they could be still there