[02:19] <troy_s> seveas ping
[02:20] <Seveas> troy_s, ?
[02:31] <kwwii> hehe
[02:31] <kwwii> sleep well
[02:31] <kwwii> erm, sleep well, everyone who is going to bed with me
[02:31] <kwwii> :p
[04:54] <newz2000> troy_s: ping
[04:54] <troy_s> howdy newz
[04:55] <Burgundavia> newz2000hey
[04:55] <Burgundavia> newz2000: hey, rather
[04:55] <newz2000> Howdy
[04:55] <Burgundavia> did you get my email?
[04:56] <newz2000> Let me look
[04:56] <newz2000> Oh, Corey. :D
[04:56] <newz2000> Yes, I got it.
[04:56] <newz2000> I am working on the reorg. I do want help, but I'm not sure what is appropriate.
[04:57] <Burgundavia> putting some plans on the wiki would be a great start
[04:58] <newz2000> I need to talk to my boss and see what she thinks.
[04:58] <Burgundavia> maybe an email about the general scope, what is outside of it, etc.
[04:59] <newz2000> Let me think on it tonight and talk to Jane tomorrow. At the very least I'll contact you, but I know therea re some areas I will need help with.
[04:59] <Burgundavia> I mean. I am an editor to the website and i don't even know if you are planning to move off moin, etc.
[04:59] <newz2000> We're not moving off of moin
[04:59] <Burgundavia> kind of curtails the enthusiasm, if you know what I mean
[04:59] <newz2000> Keeping moin?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> no, not knowing what is going to happen
[04:59] <Burgundavia> moin is fin
[04:59] <Burgundavia> fine, rather
[05:00] <Burgundavia> nice fruedian slip
[05:00] <newz2000> I see. Yes, well, I can make some announcements about the scope of the project. I think it will be a bit underwhelming.
[05:01] <Burgundavia> well, one of the key things volunteers are good at is doing small, well defined tasks
[05:02] <Burgundavia> hence if you spend some time specing out the project and define small tasks, you can very easily lift almost half of it off your shoulders
[05:02] <newz2000> Yes, you're right.
[05:02] <Burgundavia> plus people really love it when they are part of something larger
[05:03] <Burgundavia> I have really found that leading the UWN
[05:03] <newz2000> I will think of the best way to do this tonight. Thanks for the encouragement
[05:03] <Burgundavia> and not telling long term contributors like myelf annoyed
[05:04] <Burgundavia> that was the stick behind the carrot
[05:04] <Burgundavia> ;)
[05:05] <newz2000> I'm not making so many scary changes. Mostly just trying to bring order. I don't know if that's possible with a wiki though.
[05:05] <newz2000> But I will try.
[05:05] <Burgundavia> wiki as in the ubuntu wiki or wiki as in moin on the ubuntu website?
[05:06] <newz2000> As you know from the doc team, when wikis get big, they can be difficult to navigate. Therefore I want to try and make it easy to get people to their destination.
[05:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:07] <Burgundavia> would be nice to have a general plot of the ubuntu website
[05:07] <Burgundavia> showing the directory structure
[05:08] <newz2000> Yes, well, a lot of the content on the www.ubuntu.com website is outdated.
[05:08] <Burgundavia> tell me about it
[05:08] <Burgundavia> could you turn on html parsing on the ubuntu wiki?
[05:08] <newz2000> No, I highly doubt it.
[05:08] <Burgundavia> that would make it easier to develop pages like the front page on the ubuntu wiki and move them over
[05:09] <newz2000> wait, do you mean wiki.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntu.com?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com will not take html
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and the frontpage of www is html
[05:09] <newz2000> You're refring to the [[HTML()] ]  macro?
[05:09] <newz2000> ^referring
[05:09] <Burgundavia> probably
[05:10] <newz2000> I don't think it's a good idea. If people could get JS into that site they could possibly do a cross site scripting attack on launchpad.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> but anon editing on the ubuntu is turned off
[05:11] <Burgundavia> I have never seen anybody edit maliciously on the ubuntu wiki
[05:11] <newz2000> Doesn't mean no one wants to, just that they haven't been able to.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> if they wanted to, they probably would have already
[05:12] <newz2000> The launchpad team is ultra-cautious on this matter, and I definately support them in it.
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:12] <Burgundavia> hmm, we still need a play wiki however
[05:13] <Burgundavia> because big things like a new front page should be worked out there, not live
[05:13] <newz2000> That could be arranged I think.
[05:14] <newz2000> Would you create a support request? https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+addticket
[05:15] <newz2000> That way I can ensure it doesn't slip off the todo list and you'll be notified by e-mail when its ready.
[05:15] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[05:15] <Burgundavia> would this not be better for rt?
[05:16] <BHSPitLappy> hi's
[05:17] <newz2000> Burgundavia: That's fine too
[05:17] <newz2000> rt@ would be better
[05:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, too late
[05:19] <newz2000> No prob.
[05:19] <newz2000> :D It all works out.
[05:21] <newz2000> G'Night all. Thanks for the suggestions Corey.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> no worries, thanks for listening
[05:36] <troy_s> Burgundavia
[05:36] <troy_s> you in?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> troy_s: I am
[05:37] <troy_s> Burgundavia hold tight... i have a link for you.
[08:18] <msikma> What are the colors of Kubuntu going to be again?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> msikma: purple and more purple. You are going to love purple
[08:19] <msikma> violet or magenta?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> no idea, I use GNOME
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> hi
[08:25] <msikma> Next cycle, we really should try centralizing artwork making efforts.
[08:25] <BHSPitLappy> that sounds ominous
[08:26] <BHSPitLappy> art is such a difficult subject... it's much easier to agree upon good code than good art
[11:02] <lapo> hey bersace
[11:03] <bersace> hi
[11:03] <lapo> looks like your gnome scan interfaces is well accepted in the gnome community congrats
[11:03] <bersace> lapo: thanks
[11:03] <BHSPitLappy> link?
[11:03] <lapo> bersace: let's talk about icons there
[11:04] <bersace> yep
[11:04] <lapo> bersace: if I bother dobey enough perhaps we could have a generic scanner icon
[11:05] <lapo> bersace: I see you are using different icons for various scanner models, I think those one should be optional and if none are found it should fall back to the generic scanner
[11:05] <lapo> icon
[11:05] <lapo> does that sound doable?
[11:05] <bersace> this is the case right now
[11:05] <lapo> cool
[11:05] <bersace> see http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/
[11:05] <bersace> input-scanner is generic
[11:05] <bersace> input-scanner-* is specific
[11:06] <lapo> bersace: if you find a wat to eneralize the icon name somehow something like
[11:07] <lapo> specific scanner model (e.g. epson something) -> generic scanner type (e.g. flatbed scanner) -> generic scanner icon fallback should be cool
[11:09] <andreasn> isn't this icon in the naming-spec these days? http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/rotate-90.png?rev=4
[11:10] <bersace> andreasn: maybe
[11:10] <bersace> but i didn't find a stock_id for that
[11:10] <bersace> so i create a StockItem
[11:10] <bersace> so and provide the icon
[11:10] <bersace> (i made the icon myself)
[11:10] <bersace> andreasn: i read gimp and eog code to see how they did that
[11:11] <bersace> they used their own icons too :(
[11:11] <andreasn> bersace: I think they are in the spec, but for some reason we don't have it in g-i-t yet
[11:11] <bersace> i'll see it later
[11:11] <bersace> ok
[11:11] <andreasn> I'll look into it
[11:11] <bersace> would be nice to have icon *and* stock item
[11:11] <bersace> in libgnome
[11:11] <bersace> or libgnomeui
[11:11] <bersace> or gtk
[02:32] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[02:35] <kwwii_> moin fschoep
[02:35] <fschoep> kwwii_: Hi
[02:36] <kwwii_> fschoep: does the ubuntu usplash have a black bg or is it a fullscreen colored thing?
[02:36] <fschoep> I think it's colored
[02:36] <fschoep> Haven't seen it yet :)
[02:36] <kwwii_> yeah, I haven't seen the kubuntu either
[02:37] <fschoep> Hmm :)
[02:37] <fschoep> Troublesome.
[02:37] <fschoep> Knot3 is packaged tonight I think
[02:39] <kwwii_> really?
[02:39] <kwwii_> oh shit
[02:39] <kwwii_> I wanted to get some more stuff in
[02:39] <fschoep> Do so quickly, see Tollef's mail to u-dev
[02:39] <fschoep> Ping him on IRC
[02:40] <kwwii_> it will be packaged on wednesday
[02:40] <kwwii_> whew, I was scared
[02:40] <kwwii_> tody is my wedding anniversary (9 years).../me goes to buy flowers for his wife
[02:40] <kwwii_> bbl
[02:41] <fschoep> ..." I am aiming for a freeze of
[02:41] <fschoep> main from tomorrow morning.."
[02:41] <fschoep> kwwii_: congratulations!
[02:44] <kwwii_> fschoep: thanks :-)
[02:44] <kwwii_> fschoep: when Riddel says I have till Wednesday, then I trust him (I guess kubuntu has a slightly diffferent schedule)
[02:45] <fschoep> kwwii_: Kubuntu might have indeed :)
[02:45] <fschoep> kwwii_: they do have a different agenda as far as I know ;)
[02:45] <kwwii_> hehe
[02:45] <kwwii_> yeah, ours agenda is purple, not brown
[02:45] <kwwii_> ;-)
[02:46] <fschoep> ba-dum - kssh
[02:49] <fschoep> kwwii_: Did you see the current Edgy artwork?
[02:49] <fschoep> Like wallpaper and GDM
[02:51] <kwwii_> fschoep: nope, but I looked at a link with a wallpaper in it (with blue in the right top corner)...is that it?
[02:51] <fschoep> Right
[02:51] <fschoep> Say - if you didn't know the backstory
[02:51] <kwwii_> fschoep: do you have pics of the whole thing somewhere
[02:51] <fschoep> What would you think of it?
[02:52] <fschoep> Yes, hold on -
[02:52] <fschoep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault
[02:52] <fschoep> It's a bit widescreenish on that link, but the design's intact
[02:53] <kwwii_> while Ilike the use of the blue (before it was too mono-tonal) it is still quite brown to me :-)
[02:53] <fschoep> Hehe
[02:53] <kwwii_> the login splash is nice
[02:54] <fschoep> Thanks on your expert opinion!
[02:54] <kwwii_> ;-)
[02:54] <fschoep> Do you have a page with the current Kubuntu look for Knot3?
[02:54] <kwwii_> I just wish I could see the usplash stuff (both of them)
[02:55] <fschoep> +1 from me
[02:55] <kwwii_> kinda hard to design something this late in the game without being able even see it
[02:55] <fschoep> Like shooting in the dark, literally
[02:55] <kwwii_> it almost seems to me like someone wants to have the same problems as last time
[02:55] <kwwii_> but anyway, enough conspiracy theory
[02:56] <fschoep> :)
[02:56] <kwwii_> buying my wife flowers
[02:56] <fschoep> OK have a good time
[02:56] <kwwii_> see you
[02:56] <fschoep> And dinner tonight eh
[02:56] <kwwii_> :-)
[02:56] <fschoep> see you too
[02:59] <msikma> fschoep: did you get infos from Troy about my usplash work yet?
[02:59] <fschoep> msikma: A bit, but if you can tell me a bit more that'd be nice.
[04:02] <msikma> hi everyeone
[09:05] <msikma> Hello
[09:05] <PingunZ> hey msikma
[09:06] <msikma> Anyone have a link to the Kubuntu logo?
[09:07] <msikma> Man the Ubuntu site is awful
[09:07] <msikma> When I get less stress from work I will try to suggest something to patch it up. I think it's pretty bad.
[09:08] <PingunZ> msikma, its not good, not bad either
[09:08] <PingunZ> the banner need a cleanup :)
[09:08] <msikma> It's pretty terrible I'd say
[09:09] <msikma> The main page is one big lump of clutter and ugly images and bad design practices
[09:09] <msikma> And text
[09:13] <msikma> Anybody around who's actively involved in Kubuntu artwork?
[09:36] <frandavid100> hiya!
[09:36] <frandavid100> I'd like to ask a question
[09:37] <frandavid100> is there a chance to pack a given program to use tango icons even if that's not the default?
[09:37] <frandavid100> I'm thinking gaim, or gimp
[09:51] <msikma> I would like to make a Kubuntu usplash using the new technology that we now have, consistent with the Ubuntu usplash experiments that I've done earlier, but I have no idea about its style/art guidelines
[09:51] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_0.gif
[09:55] <kwwii_> Seveas: ping?
[09:55] <kwwii_> msikma: hehe, that is purple!
[09:56] <kwwii_> msikma: I guess I could help you with the guidelines
[09:56] <msikma> Perhaps! You're very active in Kubuntu, right?
[09:56] <kwwii_> yeah, you could say that :-)
[09:56] <kwwii_> I am the AIC for kubuntu
[09:57] <kwwii_> and happened to do all the artwork too
[09:57] <msikma> awesome
[09:57] <msikma> so how is that experiment in terms of new Kubuntu art guidelines?
[09:58] <msikma> I didn't want to stick to just one hue so I messed around with it a bit and let it use red as well.
[09:58] <msikma> e.g. Violet --> Magenta
[09:59] <kwwii_> until now it looks like we will be using a light blue (almost cyan) to purple colored bg
[09:59] <kwwii_> and colorscheme, etc.
[10:00] <sladen> msikma: pretty!
[10:01] <msikma> kwwii_: that means I'm right about the hue thing, but it's just that I'm on the wrong side of purple :)
[10:01] <msikma> sladen: thanks
[10:01] <kwwii_> msikma: http://bootsplash.org/newtest5a.png shows you the colors we are using
[10:01] <kwwii_> msikma: exactly
[10:01] <msikma> 403
[10:04] <kwwii_> oops, rights, sorry
[10:04] <kwwii_> fixed
[10:05] <msikma> very nice
[10:06] <kwwii_> that will be included in knot3
[10:06] <msikma> hmm
[10:06] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_1.gif
[10:06] <msikma> I will need to look into it further
[10:07] <kwwii_> that is pretty close though, you just need to reduce the saturation a bit and increase the lightness
[10:08] <Seveas> kwwii_, pong
[10:08] <kwwii_> Seveas: how big can an animation be? (file size, I assume is the important part)
[10:09] <Seveas> kwwii_, technically unlimited, but please keep in mind that CDs have VERY limited space
[10:09] <kwwii_> Seveas: so read time and such are not important?
[10:10] <Seveas> if you hit read time bottlenecks with animation you must be doing full screen plasma flows
[10:10] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:10] <kwwii_> I have something pretty small in mind, but I need more than 15 frames to do it right
[10:10] <Seveas> you can use as much frames as you want
[10:11] <Seveas> but should use as little as possible
[10:12] <kwwii_> ok, here is my second question: is it possible to read a series of pics and display them as an animation and then once that is through go through them in reverse order?
[10:12] <kwwii_> that would reduce the number of frames needed by half
[10:12] <Seveas> sure
[10:12] <Seveas> that's basically what the pulsating throbber is doing
[10:12] <kwwii_> ok cool...I am going to make a few animations as gif, I'll post them and ping you tomorrow when I am done
[10:13] <kwwii_> basically, I am thinking of doing some volumetric lighting
[10:13] <Seveas> do you know imagemagick a bit?
[10:13] <kwwii_> yepp, pretty well
[10:14] <Seveas> nice, then I'll ail you a list of questions later -- I want to use imagemagick more for automating the artwork building process
[10:15] <kwwii_> cool, I have a lot of experience using imagemagick in scripts
[10:15] <Seveas> rock
[10:16] <kwwii_> I had a set of scripts using imagemagick and batik which rendered the entire artwork for a full suse distro from a few SVGs :-)
[10:16] <kwwii_> I could never have kept up with the work otherwise
[10:34] <msikma> kwwii_: how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_2.gif
[10:35] <msikma> (background should be a bit darker though, probably.)
[10:36] <kwwii_> yeah, probably, darker would be better
[10:36] <kwwii_> and slower
[10:36] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_3.gif slightly darker bg
[10:36] <msikma> I'm not really concerned about the speed, since that can always be programatically changed.
[10:37] <kwwii_> well, as long as you have enough frames
[10:37] <kwwii_> it feels to me like it has too much saturation
[10:37] <msikma> Yeah, but I'd like to wait for seeing it used in a real, working state before changing the resolution.
[10:38] <msikma> perhaps. these are dark tones, though, and less saturated dark tones look extremely boring while the problem isn't as big with light tones.
[10:38] <kwwii_> exactly
[10:38] <kwwii_> the darker tones can be saturated, but the lighter tones not so
[10:39] <msikma> let's see if I can try fixing that
[10:47] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_5.gif
[10:47] <kwwii_> somehow the lighter violet tones bother me
[10:47] <kwwii_> I like the darker colors
[10:47] <kwwii_> and the very light color
[10:48] <kwwii_> you might try with a colored logo and only shine white light onto it
[10:51] <msikma> hmm, I kind of like the light violet. It's a very peaceful color to me.
[10:51] <msikma> I tried nabbing some colors from that background, but I guess I'll try again
[10:55] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:55] <kwwii_> the colors in that background are funky
[10:55] <kwwii_> it is very colorful, even though you do not get that impression when you look at it
[10:59] <msikma> arrrggh stupid 8 bit per channel color depth
[10:59] <msikma> I want to edit stuff in real time with 32 bit per channel but that disallows me from using a bunch of tools/filters in Photoshop
[11:00] <msikma> so after a bunch of color filters I'm forced to flatten my background and add a gaussian blur to it to take care of the posterize-like effect
[11:01] <msikma> how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_6.gif
[11:09] <BHSPitLappy> purdy
[11:10] <BHSPitLappy> a purer shade of blue?
[11:10] <BHSPitLappy> instead of violet?
[11:23] <kwwii_> msikma: that is *much* closer
[11:24] <kwwii_> I guess the idea would be to put that pic on top of the wallpaper used and see how well it matches


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[00:41] <valorie> dang, since restarting, falkon seems to freeze all the time
[00:41] <valorie> :(
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[02:59] <BionicMac> valorie: I see the iso has changed since early am. Ready for more testing yet?
[02:59] <valorie> uh
[02:59] <valorie> let me check again
[02:59] <valorie> I didn't see the "build" report
[02:59] <BionicMac> ok I just zync'd and it was very different.
[03:00] <valorie> well, I tested what is there now
[03:00] <valorie> however, they are re-spinning now
[03:00] <valorie> just not built yet
[03:01] <BionicMac> ok just let me know please maam. hilight me nick or something on top of the usual email I may see the irc 'ding' before the email. =)
[03:02] <valorie> zsyncing was good; it will probably save you some time
[03:02] <valorie> aha, it now says (rebuilding)
[03:02] <BionicMac> valorie: my bad. I was in the wrong dir/ when I zsync'd.
[03:02] <valorie> :-)
[03:02] <valorie> heh
[03:03] <BionicMac> Lot of upgrades today including the kernel.
[03:05] <BionicMac> Even 16.04 had a new kernel on my server(s) upgrades.
[03:06] <valorie> yeah
[03:07] <valorie> I had a problem because packagekit crashed part way through an update
[03:07] <valorie> had to use apt and dpkg to fix it
[03:07] <valorie> and go back to nvidia after trying intel with prime-select
[03:11] <BionicMac> I kinda sorta don't miss nvidia cards. Been a many moon since 2000 or so since I ran one.
[03:11] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425)
[03:11] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425)
 they are a bargain with the devil
 you're tempted with marginally better performance per dollar, but suffer an eternity of torment
[03:12] <BionicMac> Yup, I quaked my bum off with a killer nvidia setup nack in the day. Every time I upgrade the kernel.. argh...
[03:12] <BionicMac> haha eternity!
[03:12]  * BionicMac cracks up a bit
 Mandatory nomodeseton a live boot on hybrid laptop, would anyone consider that a bug?
 Hey, they fixed the boot menu option on 4k screens.  Text is no longer 1mm high and its fast.  Naviagation to add nomodeset used to be painfully slow...
[03:48] <valorie> oh hey, there are our new images
 yep, testing now....
[03:48] <valorie> zsyncing....
[03:48] <tsimonq2> \o/
 my zsync was really fast (less than a minute, but I was not timing).
[03:56] <valorie> yeah
[03:57] <valorie> ok, lists written to
[04:39] <valorie> I've been getting multiple updates daily lately
 yes, updates down to the wire seem more prevelent this time around.
 2 installs on 2 different PC's went well.  I did not test OEM this time around.  Will test tomorrow unless someone beat me to it.  Nite all.
[05:05] <valorie> i"m testing oem right now
[05:06] <valorie> trying to find the bug number for clicking on links does nothing.....
[05:07] <valorie> LP#1681144 if anyone needs it
[05:08] <valorie> LP:#1681144
[05:08] <valorie> huh
[07:17] <acheronuk> yes
[07:18] <acheronuk> why shouldn't it?
[07:23] <acheronuk> not everyone has a modern low form factor laptop without a cd drive or burner
[07:30] <valorie> I still use it rip CDs
[07:31] <valorie> and occasionally (at linuxfest for instance) to burn DVDs for people
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[11:06] <acheronuk> there is a new ubiquity coming to fix the reboot issue, so another respin looks very likely
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:23] <mparillo> Howdy BluesKaj. A quarter-hour ago, we learned that new BB spins are likely.
[11:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning mparillo, already  ?
[11:26] <mparillo> More like again. I entirely missed the spins that were tested whilst I slept.
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[15:30] <mhall119> hey all, the Flatpak developers are gathering packaging guides for different languages and build systems to put on docs.flatpak.org, is there anyone here who would write one for the build systems Qt and KDE apps use?
 ping Aleix Pol about that
 he maintains our Flatpak build system stuff
<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:38] <mhall119> thanks nggraham
 no problem
 Can anyone with a Bionic laptop (clean install) in front of them confirm that suspend on lid close works?
 If not, we will need to patch powerdevil for https://cgit.kde.org/powerdevil.git/commit/?id=be91abe7fc8cc731b57bec4cf2c004c07b0fd79b
 (Don't have mine available right now)
 @nggraham Not release-critical I assume?
 Worst case scenario, it can wait until I SRU the next Plasma 5.12 point release. … (I put an emphasis on me doing the work because if I recall correctly @acheronuk doesn't want to do it. :P)
 if it is indeed present, I would call it release-critical; there'll be no power management for laptops. You'll shut the lid and nothing will happen, and they won't suspend before they run out of battery power
 @nggraham, Then let's get this confirmed if present as soon as possible so I can yell loudly.
 indeed
 I found one report; need to confirm: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/8es08k/how_do_i_suspend_my_laptop_on_lid_close/dxy2yq6/
 @nggraham Just talked with Release Team... Does this /need/ to be in the ISO or can it land as a 0 day update?
 slangasek> tsimonq2: if 0 day SRU is even an option for whatever it is, then that's your only option … slangasek> tsimonq2: anything that doesn't scream "this needs to be in the ISO" doesn't need to be in the ISO
 could it be a 0-day update with an iso re-spin on that day?
 (lots of people never update...)
 @nggraham, It's an LTS, so while you won't get an ISO spin on the thing called "18.04 final", it will land in the point release.
 @nggraham, Not if they keep the checkbox checked for "Download updates during the installation"
 ah right
 ok, let's shoot for a 0-day at this point
 I don't object to it being a 0 day SRU, but if you think it NEEDS to be in the ISO and can confirm it, hop in #ubuntu-release and scream loudly.
 @nggraham, Ok.
 @tsimonq2, And that goes for every bug at this point.
 @nggraham Then it's settled.
 0 day SRU it is.
 👍
 Thanks as always!
 No problem.
 I'll give you something to test tonight at 7:30ish PM Central.
 ok, thanks!
 Np
 Nate, I have clean BB install from month+ ago.  Sleep on lid closed works perfectly.  I have fresh installs at home, but I won't be home for another 6 hours.  I can also assist with testing at that time.
 thank you very much for testing
[19:23] <acheronuk> zero day sounds wiser to me at this point
[19:48] <valorie> I'll check on my testing laptop right now
[19:54] <valorie> works perfectly on an install from last night
[19:55] <acheronuk> clean install?
[19:55] <valorie> on my little Dell/intel
[19:55] <valorie> yes
[19:55] <valorie> probably the oem test I did last night
 fantastic, maybe it's not an issue then...
[19:57] <valorie> it isn't suspend by default; it is "do nothing" by default
[19:57] <acheronuk> the commit says config is not created on a clean install, but your experience suggests that is either not always the case, or in some circumstances the problem resolves itself
[19:57] <valorie> well, I went into systemsettings and set it to suspend
 @valorie, it should be suspend by default on lid close
[19:58] <valorie> like I said, default is "do nothing" when lid is closed
[19:58] <valorie> it is not
 if you're not seeing that, then that's the bug
 ok, so you just hit the bug :(
[19:58] <valorie> ok, then I confirm the bug
 darn
 thanks a lot for testing!
[19:59] <valorie> do we have a BR yet?
[19:59] <acheronuk> IMO do nothing by default is correct. I see no reason why laptop should assume you closing the lid means you want to suspend
[19:59] <valorie> or should I file one
[19:59] <acheronuk> that should be an option you enable
[19:59] <valorie> I agree
[19:59] <valorie> in general, I only turn that on sometimes
 suspend on lid close is like the standard behavior since forever, and matches the user expectation
[19:59] <valorie> and off at Akademy
 not having this behavior is a bug that was just fixed
[19:59] <valorie> :-)
[20:00] <acheronuk> not my expectation
[20:00] <acheronuk> :P
 people who don't like it can turn it off, but it's *supposed* to be the default
[20:00] <valorie> imo it has changed back and for a few times
[20:00] <valorie> so once it bites me, I change it
[20:01] <acheronuk> bigger issue on that sounds like the default power button actions to me
[20:01] <valorie> yes, it was set to "do nothing" which is bizarre
[20:01] <acheronuk> "eading to it not suspending on lid close, not handling power buttons etc etc"
[20:01] <acheronuk> *leading
[20:01] <valorie> otoh, it worked when I pushed it
[20:03] <valorie> acheronuk: I think I disagree with you on what the default should be
[20:04] <valorie> I would say that 99% of people expect suspend when the lid is closed
[20:04] <valorie> and maybe half care that they can change that in Plasma
[20:05]  * valorie files a bug
 @nggraham Riddell added that patch to Neon user edition powerdevil this morning, and now a user reports this … https://paste.kde.org/py7uwhhpo
 I will NOT let that fix into Kubuntu until it has been tested
[20:06] <mmazur^> They do, though possibly only because laptops have mechanical parts. With a no-fan/no-hdd laptop, it sort of doesn't matter if the thing falls asleep a minute after it's closed… I guess.
 even though that may not be the cause of that issue
 not sure that's related, but fair enough
 @nggraham, I suspect it is not either, but right now I'm erring on the side of caution
[20:09]  * mmazur^ really likes the state of kde in bionic; every release some things work nicer
[20:09] <mmazur^> (except multi display with amdgpu, but that's because amdgpu still sucks)
[20:16] <valorie> hmmm, what do I file a bug against?
 powerdevil?
[20:17] <valorie> was upgrading my primary install etc.
[20:17] <valorie> ok
[20:18] <acheronuk> plasma 5.12 got to a .4 release without this being noticed, so *** shrug ***
 @DarinMiller are you able to test for the zero day if @tsimonq2 prepares it?
[20:24] <valorie> LP:#1766967
 more so we know it doesn't break existing installs
[20:26] <acheronuk> LP: #1766967
[20:26] <acheronuk> :P
[20:26] <valorie> oh, a space
[20:26] <valorie> sheesh
[20:27] <valorie> it's true, I never tested for that, or even noticed it
[20:27] <valorie> otoh my little lappy kept going dead and I didn't realize why
[20:27] <acheronuk> I'm not being smug, as it took me an embarrassingly long time to work out how to make that bug trigger always work! LOL
[20:28] <valorie> oh, you have the perfect right to be smug
[20:28] <valorie> lol
[20:28] <valorie> I would be feeling smug if I'd already mowed the lawn
[20:28] <valorie> but....
[20:28] <valorie> no
 @acheronuk, Yes, I can test assuming my current laptop meets your test requirements.
 Clarification on previous sleep when lid is closed.... I had to enable it myself.  Kubuntu has always been that way.
 Right. :)
 @nggraham so what would this fix change the default power button action to?
 not sure actually
 only sane defaults IMO would be "ask wat to do", with "nothing" a safe but silly fallback
 actually I do know: it shows the logout dialog with options for what to do
 @nggraham, Kool
 yes, after a momentary brain fart, I remembered that that is indeed what it does :)
 So how does one answer a screen prompt when the screen is closed?
 context?
 one opens the lid?
 From my understanding, the "closed lid" patch prompts the user what he wants to do when lid is closed.  If the lid is closed, he will not see it, battery goes dead, and the user is none the wiser.
 the patch fixes the issue that caused the lid closing event to not trigger suspend as is the intended upstream behavior
 Almost needs to be a pre-emptive configuration prompt on fresh install.
 the default behavior on lid close is *not* a UI prompt; that's the default behavior when you press the power button
 ohhhh, that makes way more sense.
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[22:57] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:58] <acheronuk> fingers crossed for last spin
[22:59] <valorie> knock on wood
[22:59] <acheronuk> tomorrow I will try to....
[23:00] <acheronuk> 1) test some isos
[23:00] <acheronuk> 2) update upgrade wiki page with nice pics
[23:01] <acheronuk> 3) draft relase announcement if no-one gets there 1st. please do if you feel like it!
 @MichaelTun is getting a video ready ;)
 👍😎
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[23:06] <valorie> I think I wrote one?
[23:09] <valorie> yep, there is a draft
[23:09] <valorie> feel free to fix links, etc.
[23:09] <valorie> mparillo: ^^^
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[23:30] <valorie> and the lists written to again
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 Ok. goodnight all. I will be up my time in the morning to get things done I hope
 good night!
[23:41] <valorie> niters @nggraham
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[00:42] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: this PR is a follow up to the azure onefrom last week - the azure use-public-ip config is removed and a constraint is used instead https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11974
[00:42] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: looking
[00:48] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: lgtm ty
[00:48] <wallyworld> tyvm
[08:22] <achilleasa> stickupkid: reminder for taking a look at https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/317
[10:23] <icey> anybody around for a Juju on OpenStack IPv6 question?
[10:29] <stickupkid> icey, what's the issue?
[10:30] <icey> stickupkid: all of the machines came up with a v4 and a v6 (dual stack ftw), Juju recognized this (and seems to always prefer ipv6 now?), at some later time, the interfaces lost their v6 addresses, rendering juju's connectivity information (juju status --format=yaml) incorrect as the machines no longer are addressable on ipv6
[10:31] <icey> there's no containers or anything so Juju's not changing things with bridges, I'm not honestly sure where to look
[10:34] <icey> it seems like it maybe dropped when adding the fan network ingerface?
[10:34] <icey> interface
[10:50] <stickupkid> icey, well offically we don't support v6, so I'm unsure what's happening about why we're always preferring that now...
[10:51] <stickupkid> icey, it's on our long term roadmap to support that
[10:51] <icey> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CwJdyYBv2t/
[10:51] <icey> stickupkid: every unit has it's ipv6 address there
[10:51] <icey> also happens with a dual stack MAAS
[10:53] <icey> stickupkid: the yaml format: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JHWCczzXFs/
[10:57] <stickupkid> icey, maybe jam might have some thoughts on it
[10:58] <icey> an annoying thing that juju's apparent ipv6 preference is that, when using libjuju, a unit's `.public_address` becomes the ipv6 address
[10:58] <stickupkid> oh really
[10:59] <icey> yup :)
[10:59] <icey> so I basically can't libjuju with my models that are deployed on a dual-stack OpenStack :)
[11:00] <icey> (using 2.8.1)
[11:00] <icey> I can try with 2.8.2 if that might change things
[11:01] <stickupkid> I'm unsure, manadart isn't around atm as he would be the best person to ask
[13:34] <jam> o/
[13:35] <jam> losing addresses is obviously going to be problematic for us, and it would certainly be good to understand how/why
[14:24] <achilleasa> jam: are you aware of anyone else importing bundlechanges? As part of my changes I want to emit multi-line descriptions for changes and I would prefer changing the interface signature to return []string instead of a single string with \n that the caller has to split/join
[14:25] <achilleasa> I could also add an "ItemizedDescription" method but if nothing else depends on the package I could just modify Description
[14:29] <jam> achilleasa, I'm not directly aware of it, but my exposure to that is relatively small at this point. Is it just something where we should rev the version of the module and make the changes?
[14:29] <jam> it certainly doesn't sound like a backwards compatible change
[14:30] <achilleasa> that's also an option. But if we are the only users of the package it would be fine
[14:30] <achilleasa> As stickupkid pointed out, this code should probably live in the juju tree anyway
[14:30] <jam> achilleasa, it sounds like a general "be good to your APIs" process, though.
[14:30] <achilleasa> ok, I will bump the version to be on the safe side


[01:29] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Hm, why wouldn't that debian-cd change be reflected in the ISOs?
[01:30] <tsimonq2> The Lubuntu ISO still says "Try Lubuntu without installing" / "Install Lubuntu"
[02:56] <slangasek> tsimonq2: probably I failed to pull it into production; fixing now
[02:56] <slangasek> tsimonq2: done; next build should have it
[02:57] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Thanks.
[05:54]  * tsimonq2 wonders what a pcx file is... O_o
[05:54] <tsimonq2> MP coming soonish making https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/view/head:/data/cosmic/lubuntu.png reflect our new logo
[06:15] <tsimonq2> There: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/debian-cd/lubuntu-cosmic-logos-1
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[13:25] <foka> Hi! If golang-github-tdewolff-parse/2.3.3-1 and golang-github-tdewolff-minify/2.3.5-2 look alright, could you please migrate them from -proposed to -release?  Many thanks!
[14:01] <ginggs> foka: let me try running golang-github-tdewolff-minify's tests against the new version
[14:03] <foka> ginggs: Many thanks!
[14:20] <ginggs> foka: success http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/golang-github-tdewolff-minify/cosmic/amd64
[14:23] <foka> ginggs: Thanks a million!
[14:24] <ginggs> foka: yw!
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[17:46] <bdmurray> I could use a review of that ^^. infinity? RAOF?
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[21:16] <dupondje> somebody around that could assist me with a multiarch weirdness on Precise? :)
[21:28] <bobweaver> Hello there I am kinda embarrassed to ask this question but here it goes. When making a meta package is the only thing that I need to do is add the packages to the control file ? meaning that No makefile or any other building all I have to do is add packages name to debian/control and that is it. again sorry for the newbish question but I can not find any docs on meta packaging
[21:29] <bobweaver> or does anyone know of a *SIMPLE* metapackage that I could tear open to look at how it is done ?
[21:30] <bobweaver> thanks like always for your time.
[21:31] <bobweaver> Like I found this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages   but i am confused still about how the package knows how to build
[21:33] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: yes
[21:33] <tumbleweed> dupondje: just how weird?
[21:33] <bobweaver> The reason that I ask is because I figure that it would cut a couplke of my puppet scripts down if I make a package of all the programs that I need
[21:33] <bobweaver> thanks again tumbleweed
[21:35] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  it is dh_ that is called when building packages in the rules file. how to change the order from my own version that I have. err. what I mean is I do not need to run dh_python or dh_perl  ect (dont know if they are for real) but where to find a list of dh_ stuff and the order that they go ?  some one told me once but I forgot
[21:35] <bobweaver> Like I want to alter dh its self
[21:35] <dupondje> tumbleweed: cmake not installing into multiarch lib dirs on Precise, but it works fine on Quantal
[21:35] <dupondje> anyway, trying a fix now
[21:36] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: it's fairly common to use dh to build your package. And yes, it calls all the debhelper commands in a sane order
[21:37] <jmarsden> bobweaver: I think you can do   dh --no-act   to get a list of what dh_* things it would call in what order
[21:37] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  do you know where I can find the perl script that runs that order (I think it was perl )
[21:37] <jtaylor> usr/bin/dh
[21:38] <tumbleweed> and /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/
[21:38] <bobweaver> Oh sweet thanks again you all are just awesome. BTW just got back from local release party was great !
[21:41] <bobweaver> Yo Joey Hess is the Bomb! (still have not figured out debhelper (all the way)) But boy oh boy he had a major part in making deb packages work. He is everywhere in the source code
[21:41] <bobweaver> is he ever around or does he go to UDS ?
[21:42] <bobweaver> I am going to email him a Thanks you note :)
[21:43] <tumbleweed> you'd find him at debconf, not UDS
[21:44] <bobweaver> he is awesome !
[21:44] <bobweaver> oh no !
[21:44] <bobweaver> !bug 255417
[22:01] <bobweaver> jezz now thta I am tracking down joey email I am also tempted to write Anthony Towns
[22:15] <ScottK> dupondje: There are packages in precise that are multi-arched and use CMake (IIRC phonon is an example, but that may be QMake).
[22:15] <ScottK> So you ought to be able to find examples.
[22:17] <jtaylor> ScottK: the issue is that for some reason the freerdp package in quantal puts its stuff in multiarch directories
[22:17] <jtaylor> but the same package does not do so in precise
[22:18] <ScottK> Was it multiarch'ed in precise?
[22:18] <jtaylor> no, and it also shouldn't be in quantal
[22:18] <jtaylor> at least to my understanding
[22:19] <jtaylor> its compat 7
[22:19] <ScottK> Things can be multiarched without bumping compat.
[22:19] <ScottK> It just takes doing it more by hand.
[22:19] <jtaylor> there is nothing in rules
[22:19] <ScottK> OK.
[22:19] <ScottK> Dunno then.
[22:21] <jtaylor> me neither, apparently cmake/dh in quantal decided to use m-a settings also for compat 7 (or maybe even always)
[22:22] <jtaylor> or I'm missing some setting hidden somewhere
[22:23] <jtaylor> dupondje: to solve your issue quickly, just revert the ma-a locations patch for precise
[22:23] <jtaylor> it probably works better that way anyway
[22:32] <bobweaver> could some one explain  equivs-control I am lost on the pipe| in the control file in the Depends stanza < wrong word maybe
[22:35] <dupondje> jtaylor: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~freerdp-team/freerdp/freerdp-debian/revision/30
[22:35] <dupondje> this fixed it :)
[22:35] <bobweaver> in the Depends field of the the package stanza . still could be wrong *
[22:43] <bobweaver> equivs = fancy name for meta package . er I am so lost with this http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/equivs.htm   and then this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages    It is the last line that is confusing me. "Note: In the control_file template from equivs-control control_file, conditional-OR-dependencies in "Depends:" <bold>are separated by '|', not a comma. </bold>For example an ubuntu-minimal dependency statement would be
[22:43] <bobweaver> :"   then I see a glance of a control file and I see pipes in there. Is it not better to have whitespace (easy to read)? It is the | and the , I know that the comma does but the pipe I am confused as to what that does. It is just something that I have never came across.
[22:43] <bobweaver> I dont know what "equivs" means
[22:43] <ScottK> It doesn't help in this case.
[22:44] <ScottK> Think of "|" as alternates.
[22:44] <ScottK> Depends on X | Y is X or Y.
[22:44] <ScottK> X, Y is X and Y
[22:45] <ScottK> X, Y | Z is X and (Y or Z).
[22:45] <ScottK> Does that help?
[22:45] <bobweaver> Yes like reg ex
[22:46] <ScottK> Sort of.
[22:46] <bobweaver> [Dd]og , like that dog or Dog ?
[22:46] <bobweaver> basicly it is a if statement ?
[22:46] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:47] <ScottK> It's more boolean than if.
[22:47] <bobweaver> thanks ScottK  can I use it in whitespace ? I will paste example plz hold
[22:49] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1293567/
[22:50] <bobweaver> just so my control file is easier to read. Thanks again
[22:51] <ScottK> I think either is fine, but the first one is more readable.
[22:52] <ScottK> There's a scripts called wrap-and-sort (or similar) in ubuntu-dev-tools that would organize things for you.
[22:52] <bobweaver> Thanks ScottK  :) that is it I understand that full page. I would really Like to thank you all
[22:52] <bobweaver> What what what
[22:53] <bobweaver> wrap-and-sort will make whitespace ?
[22:53]  * bobweaver googleing wrap-and-sort
[22:53] <ScottK> No need for google.  Install the ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[22:54] <ScottK> bdrung: ^^^
[22:54] <bdrung> bobweaver: install devscripts (or packaging-dev if you want a full-blown packaging environment)
[22:54] <bobweaver> it is installed
[22:55] <bdrung> ScottK: it used to be in ubuntu-dev-tools, but was moved to devscripts
[22:55] <bobweaver> I have installed that metapackage I should look at the control file to see what it installed
[22:55] <ScottK> oh
[22:55] <bobweaver> each one I am sure that it is installed packaing dev and devscripts
[22:56] <bdrung> packaging-dev pulls in devscripts
[22:56] <bobweaver> Just did not know about it. It is flipping great Oo man pages atm. great stuff kinda like a real long ctrl+i in qtcreator
[22:57] <bdrung> bobweaver: i once presented wrap-and-sort at UDS
[22:57] <bobweaver> bdrung,  I see that at the bottom of the page or at least that you are author
[22:57] <bobweaver> v.cool can wait to look at src
[22:57] <bobweaver> can't *
[22:58] <bdrung> bobweaver: yes. hint: look at the maintainer of packaging-dev ;)
[22:59] <bobweaver> I can not wait to meet some of you all at uds < week away. I hope to learn great stuff like wrap-and-sort to make my packages nice and yet faster
[23:00] <bobweaver> just did not know and it is cool thanks again. :)
[23:00] <bdrung> i will be at UDS. thanks to canonical. \o/
[23:00]  * bobweaver also
[23:00] <bobweaver> for his Ubuntu TV work
[23:01] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0&webm=1    [23:02]  * Rcart dreams to be at uds someday
[23:02] <bobweaver> I am mainly C++ QT QML (I love qml) python web stuff dev
[23:03] <bobweaver> but I am v.new to Linux < 2 yrs
[23:04] <bobweaver> feb 2013 is 2 yrs for me


 @kc2bez you *sure* that it's on the 'main node'?  It resolves to itself perfectly
 I just kicked another and can confirm it is on the main node, worker 8
 Last successful run 24 days ago
 *sigh*
 then i have no idea how to fix that 'cause DNS looks fine
 ok,
 i'll have to dig deeper
 when i actually have the time to deep dive
 no worries


[09:01] <Mirv> ah, a new update
[09:01] <ogra_> 20 should be usable ... but the dosnload manager has issues with it
[09:02] <ogra_> *down
[09:02] <Mirv> ogra_: noticed the bug too
[09:03] <Mirv> with update I meant the CI news update at ubuntu-phone
[09:03] <ogra_> oh, ok
[09:03] <ogra_> :)
[09:03] <didrocks> ogra_: ah, already 20? (I saw a lot of snapshot, just didn't count) ;)
[09:04] <ogra_> didrocks, yeah, it was an awful weekend
[09:04] <didrocks> ogra_: oh? let's discuss it during the meeting then
[09:05] <ogra_> oh, you want to do the morning meeting during UDS week ?
[09:06] <popey> the morning meeting is way before UDS starts each day though
[09:06] <didrocks> right
[09:06] <ogra_> popey, thats what i mean
[09:06] <didrocks> ogra_: and UDS is next week btw ;)
[09:06] <didrocks> or it was an uncorrelated "oh"? :)
[09:06] <ogra_> err, lol
[09:06] <Mirv> :D
[09:09] <ogra_> popey, didrocks, i'm around for more than 12h usually and dont really care, but i think during UDS it would be clever to move the meeting to the hour before UDS starts and resort to one meeting per day, that way you dont force people into a 12h day
[09:09] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I'll probably be there all the time, but I agree
[09:09] <didrocks> let's discuss that this morning, we can shift it to 12 UTC for instance
[09:09] <didrocks> (so 2 hours before UDS starts)
[09:10] <ogra_> (independen from my personal calendarical confusion ;) )
[09:10] <didrocks> ogra_: we are the 12 of November
[09:10] <didrocks> year 2013
[09:10] <didrocks> FYI :p
[09:10] <ogra_> thank you !
[09:10] <ogra_> :)
[09:10] <didrocks> yw! ;)
[09:10] <sil2100> ;D
[09:37] <sil2100> Damn, hangouts doesn't want to work
[09:48] <kalikiana> and there I sit again staring at the recovery screen "does it still do anything or is it stuck"
[09:48] <kalikiana> will this ever be fixed usability wise?
[09:48] <ogra_> kalikiana, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-early-boot-animation
[09:48] <ogra_> that should strech into recovery mode too
[09:49] <ogra_> (in a later iteration though, focus is the normal boot first)
[09:51] <kalikiana> how about a simple text-based progress display? I don't need graphics so much as an indicator that it's not broken
[09:51] <kalikiana> (though that blueprint does look promising long-term)
[09:52] <ogra_> it doesnt matter what you display, we need a technology we can use for this first
[09:52] <ogra_> even needed for text ... (we need to rip out the menu code from recovery in flash mode and replace it with "something")
[09:54] <Mirv> didrocks: one more thing. robru didn't manage to publish the last bug fix of ui toolkit (one commit) before LP+CI went down. would it be possible to copy https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3651254/+listing-archive-extra manually to archives?
[09:54] <Mirv> didrocks: it doesn't affect dashboard, but only because we don't have autopilot tests for ubuntu-system-settings
[09:54] <didrocks> Mirv: ok, I'll have a look at how to get this in
[09:54] <didrocks> Mirv: can you fake and prepare the xml sync file?
[09:56] <didrocks> Mirv: some example:
[09:56] <didrocks> ubuntu-unity/daily-build        Release trusty  Proposed        trusty  ubuntu-ui-toolkit       0.1.46+14.04.20131108.3-0ubuntu1        0.1.46+14.04.20131106-0ubuntu1
[09:56] <Mirv> didrocks: that's what I was saying, thanks, I'll craft it
[09:56] <Mirv> going to say
[09:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:58] <Mirv> didrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6404444/
[09:58] <didrocks> Mirv: looking good to me! Thanks :)
[09:59] <Mirv> thanks to you, it'll be good to have it released. I can also then fake the release commit.
[10:27] <seb128> do we still have landings happening?
[10:27] <seb128> the "landing ask table" didn't seem to have changed much since last week
[10:35] <Mirv> seb128: first the lab change https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg05074.html , then a image that is provenly good, then landings again
[10:37] <seb128> shrug, I guess I'm going to keep doing non touch work meanwhile then
[10:37] <seb128> Mirv, thanks
[11:28] <didrocks> Mirv: yeah, please fake the release commit :)
[11:28] <didrocks> (sorry, was in a hangout)
[11:47] <Mirv> thanks for the upload
[11:47] <Mirv> s/upload/copy/
[11:49] <didrocks> yw!
[13:59] <fginther> morning
[14:40] <kgunn> fginther: mornin'
[14:41] <fginther> kgunn, howdy
[14:41] <kgunn> fginther: we've got this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/fix-1200569/+merge/190365
[14:41] <kgunn> fginther: seems to not want to be rekicked on s-jenkins currently mapped to <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:42] <fginther> kgunn, "All services are down (1SS move)"
[14:42] <MacSlow> fginther, yeah.. just wondering if s-jenkins IP changed again
[14:42] <fginther> kgunn, the hardware is still in the middle of the relocation
[14:42] <MacSlow> fginther, ah... still the physical ahrdware move?
[14:42] <fginther> kgunn, it will likely be down for another 2 days
[14:42] <MacSlow> kgunn, fginther: heard about it... but when it sounded like it was almost done... sorry for the noise then
[14:42] <kgunn> fginther: ah ta... MacSlow guess we wait
[14:43] <MacSlow> kgunn, sure np
[14:43] <fginther> MacSlow, kgunn no worries
[14:43]  * kgunn didn't know...still sipping coffee
[14:43] <kgunn> thanks fginther
[14:43] <MacSlow> kgunn, if coffee doesn't help you must advance to something stronger... you have some nasty energy-drink in the US ;)
[14:44] <kgunn> :)
[14:45]  * ogra_ thinks we need some *blink* rags for email subjects
[14:46] <ogra_> apparently nobody reads his mail nowadays :P
[17:00] <sil2100> didrocks: are we doing the meeting now?
[17:00] <sil2100> :)
[17:00] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah! coming :)
[17:01] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'm still in another hangout
[17:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: robru ^
[17:01] <didrocks> ogra_: ^
[17:01] <kenvandine> will join when it's over
[17:01] <didrocks> sure
[17:01] <didrocks> Mirv: ^
[17:01] <Mirv> didrocks: I'm here :)
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: we're all waiting ;)
[17:01] <didrocks> Mirv: I don't see you
[17:01] <robru> didrocks, we are waiting for you ;-)
[17:01] <didrocks> oh maybe because I didn't join :p
[17:01] <kenvandine> haha
[17:17] <elopio> cihelp: is my branch not landing because you are working on the jenkins runners, or is it something else?
[17:18] <kenvandine> elopio, correct
[17:19] <kenvandine> elopio, infrastructure move is still in progress
[17:19] <elopio> kenvandine: ack, thanks. Do you have an ETA?
[17:21] <cjohnston> elopio: an email was mailed to ubuntu-phone with info
[17:21] <elopio> cjohnston: I missed it. Looking...
[17:22] <elopio> got it, thanks cjohnston.