[00:05] <ikonia> am I over reacting or are comments like "stop jerking off" inappropriate in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[00:06] <nickrud> context ikonia would determine that.
[00:06] <ikonia> well in reference to masturbation
[00:07] <Seeker`> I suspect that masturbation is inappropriate in -ot
[00:07] <nickrud> yah, there's always that sub text, but telling someone to stop jacking off, in ref to verbal masturbation would be appropriate ;)
[00:07] <ikonia> I thought so, but I could be over reacting
[00:07] <ikonia> nickrud: ooh, ok, maybe I'm too fussy then
[00:07] <ikonia> the reference to jacking off seemed out of line
[00:08] <ikonia> Seeker`: up late
[00:09] <Seeker`> ikonia: this is fairly standard for me
[00:09] <ikonia> night owl
[00:09] <Seeker`> yeah
[00:09] <Nafallo> sleep \o/
[00:09] <Seeker`> 2am is an early night for me
[00:09] <Nafallo> gnight
[00:09] <Seeker`> nn
[00:09] <ikonia> it's earlier than I thought actually
[00:09] <ikonia> I thought it was about 2:00
[00:13] <mneptok> 1900 here
[00:26] <nickrud> still working hours here, 1626
[00:26] <Seeker`> its 0026 here
[00:48] <ikonia> I'm out
[00:48] <ikonia> tired
[00:51] <Seeker`> nn
[04:21]  * Myrtti had a nightmare of Laku falling on his back and breaking it, dying there and then
[04:22] <nalioth> :(
[04:22] <Myrtti> yay for two hours of sleep and waking up to a nightmare
[04:23] <nalioth> :(
[04:23] <Myrtti> yay for waking up screaming grasping your mobile phone like the straw that keeps your head above the surface
[07:02]  * Myrtti sighs
[07:55] <ikonia> what's up ?
[07:58] <bazhang> ot getting a bit dicey
[08:08] <Myrtti> tired
[08:08] <ikonia> all quiet now
[08:09] <ikonia> I really don't like this part message  ["Remember: don't use `sudo rm -rf /`!"]
[08:09] <ikonia> I don't think it's called for and is tempting people to "see what it does"
[08:11] <jussi01> ikonia: we have been saying that for days - nobody has sone anything about it yet. maybe a pm when he comes back in is in order.
[08:12] <ikonia>  jussi01 I think that would be cool
[08:13] <jussi01> ikonia: so if you see him come in, get to it :D
[08:13] <ikonia> ha
[08:14] <Myrtti> may I just say
[08:14] <bazhang> ikonia, yeah that bothered me too
[08:14] <jussi01> Myrtti: no! :P
[08:14] <Myrtti> jussi01: shut up and scroll to 06:21
[08:15]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[08:15] <Myrtti> what I was about to say
[08:15] <Myrtti> is that ... thing in -ot running a mIRC script that announces and spams on join?
[08:16] <Myrtti> on strike three I'll hellokittyfy him
[08:17] <bazhang> jjinks is back in ot
[08:17] <jussi01> oh someone shoot it already...
[08:17] <gnomefreak> someone might want to keep eye on jjinx1272006 in -offtopic, im kind of trying to wake up and getting somethings done for drs visst today
[08:17] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i saw
[08:18] <Myrtti> /hellokitty jjinx1272006
[08:18] <Myrtti> just waiting
[08:18] <bazhang> would kb him if I could
[08:18] <gnomefreak> bazhang: your an op in -offtopic?
[08:18] <bazhang> gnomefreak, sadly no
[08:18] <gnomefreak> ah nevermind i am though
[08:18] <Myrtti> I'm waiting
[08:18] <Myrtti> next idiocy will get him
[08:21] <Myrtti> jussi01: 10:20 @,- jussi01 [n=jussi01@ubuntu/member/jussi01] has quit [Remote closed the  connection]
[08:21] <gnomefreak> hes working in my nerves
[08:21] <Myrtti> 10:21 @,- Netsplit over, joins: jussi01
[08:21] <Myrtti> funneh
[08:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: your irssi is screwed
[08:23] <Myrtti> I know
[08:23] <ikonia> jussi01: what provides libauto_bleh_core.so ?
[08:23] <Myrtti> whut?
[08:23] <ikonia> exactly
[08:24] <jussi01> ikonia: no idea - for auto_bleh go find no0tic
[08:24] <Myrtti> http://i-n-v-i-s-i-o-n.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=46 ...
[08:24] <ikonia> ahh never mind
[08:25] <ikonia> resolved it
[08:31] <gnomefreak> auto_bleh is easy ;)
[08:32] <gnomefreak> ikonia: just think of the commands as /ar = auto remove /abr = auto ban remove
[08:32] <Myrtti> I just have my aliases
[08:32] <ikonia> I was having an issue with the actual script
[08:32] <Myrtti> I don't trust autobleh at all
[08:33] <ikonia> the box I'm on was an F8 -> F9 upgrade, it went a bit wrong (thanks guys) so I'd fixed it, but I'd missed a package,
[08:33] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: it hasnt failed me in the year or two ive been using it, maybe longer than that
[08:33] <ikonia> it was borking on a non-existant lib, but it didn't actually want that lib, it was a miss-leading error
[08:36] <ikonia> jussi01: missed him again
[08:38]  * jussi01 doesnt us irssi
[08:40] <Myrtti> traitor
[08:41] <Myrtti> I just wish I could melt away and vanish
[08:43] <jussi01> Myrtti: Im planning with snuxoll atm
[08:43] <Myrtti> yay
[08:44] <jussi01> but i really should work
[08:44] <Myrtti> I already promised to be his replacement auntie
[08:45] <ikonia> jussi01: snuxoll ?
[08:47] <ikonia> gnomefreak: he was confused
[08:47] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i saw
[08:47] <Myrtti> ikonia: mea culpa
[08:47] <ikonia> good good
[08:47] <Myrtti> ikonia: he's been talking about moving to Finland so I gave it some thought yesterday
[08:47] <ikonia> who snuxoll ?
[08:47] <Myrtti> s/moving/coming to visit or like/
[08:48] <bazhang> the users name was intrepid btw
[08:48] <Myrtti> @ -ot
[08:48] <bazhang> thus the confusion gnomefreak
[08:48] <gnomefreak> who :(
[08:48] <gnomefreak> its too damn early
[08:48] <bazhang> heh
[08:48] <gnomefreak> bazhang: is linda on Intrepid?
[08:49] <ikonia> I can't work that out either
[08:49] <bazhang> gnomefreak, no, she was speaking to user in #u named 'intrepid'
[08:49] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:49] <ikonia> thats not helpful
[08:49] <gnomefreak> tell people to use names without our codenames
[08:49] <ikonia> ha ha, you can't do that
[08:49] <bazhang> or only ask for out put of lsb_release -a
[08:50] <jussi01> !info linda intrepid
[08:50] <jussi01> :P
[09:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: hi
[09:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: I'm heading in to train, so, I'll notify you how the trip goes :)
[09:11] <Tm_T> ->
[09:20] <Myrtti> woo
[09:20] <Myrtti> A DATE!
[09:33] <bazhang> bman in ot
[09:33] <Myrtti> noted
[10:24] <Myrtti> that Fryguy-- is going to cause us a lot of trouble
[10:24] <elky> yeah
[10:24] <elky> where's he at now?
[10:24] <Myrtti> not on any channels I'm in
[10:26] <Myrtti> is Boston nearby Chicago? please say no
[10:27] <elky> no
[10:27] <Myrtti> good
[10:28] <elky> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=boston,+IL&daddr=chicago&sll=6.652675,-155.888185&sspn=115.601201,307.96875&ie=UTF8&z=6
[10:28] <Myrtti> I iz doing spying
[10:29] <elky> wtf... i cant even put the states in the right freaking boxes
[10:29] <elky> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=boston,+NY&daddr=chicago,+IL&sll=42.030408,-79.504658&sspn=6.64085,19.248047&ie=UTF8&z=7
[10:29] <elky> yay
[10:30] <elky> they're near, but not near, if you know what i mean
[10:39] <ikonia> what's fryguy done
[10:40] <ikonia> he was providing solid help when I last looked in
[10:40] <jussi01> ikonia: the google it and give whatever answer guy?
[10:41] <ikonia> he wasn't doing that earlier
[10:42] <ikonia> so he's just hitting google and giving the reponse of the first line ?
[10:42] <Myrtti> also being abusive in private when told to keep on topic
[10:42] <ikonia> wow,
[10:42] <ikonia> he seemed quite straight earlier on
[10:43] <elky> it's always the qui^Wstraight ones...
[10:46] <elky> i think it was him i saw get rather acidic when someone pointed out that his google hits were a little off the mark too
[10:47] <ikonia> I'm dissapointed now
[10:47] <elky> welcome to our world.
[10:47] <ikonia> he was doing some good work earlier
[10:49] <Myrtti> Flannel: if you don't mind, pitch in your experiences
[10:49] <Myrtti> it's a tough call though
[10:49] <Flannel> Regarding my conversation?
[10:51] <Myrtti> yup
[10:51] <Myrtti> I don't blame you for not wanting to or withhelding
[10:54] <Flannel> Well, he started out with a sense of entitlement,"I've been helping people, so I don't have to follow all the rules", and then it went south from there.  I tried to deflect blame from him by saying it was less about him in particular, and more about setting a good example for people who don't know better, so they won't get into trouble later thinking its ok.
[10:54] <Flannel> Thats not a quote by the way.
[10:55] <ikonia> where was this ?
[10:56] <Flannel> After that, he summarized a few times I was offtopic, some C help, and a stereo hardware question.  Which brought up the question of 'what is on topic'.  After that, he decided I was the authority on the subject, and asked me 'can I reply to him?' to each question posed in #ubuntu
[10:56] <Flannel> ikonia: In a query
[10:56] <Flannel> I can post the log somewhere if need be
[10:57] <ikonia> nah, it's just nice to understand what he did
[10:57] <ikonia> I'm quite dissapointed
[10:57] <Myrtti> but he's been here before
[10:58] <ikonia> oh really, first time I've seen him over the last few days
[10:58] <Myrtti> so it's not ... unpredictable of him
[10:59] <jussi01> I have a similar pm conversation with him
[11:00]  * jpds walks in, and wonders what's going on.
[11:01]  * jussi01 jumps on jpds
[11:01] <gnomefreak> i hate working for 2 weeks and told that everything needs to be redone because of the version number :(
[11:04] <ikonia> gnomefreak: how ironic, I've just had a similar situation where I have ported a module from apache1, to 2, changed the compiler from sun, to gcc, and moved it from solaris to redhat, to be told that it's the wrong version of the module
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ikonia: hell thats worse than mine i just hav eto rebuild a dozen or so packages due to a too high of version
[11:34] <ikonia> you get off light then
[11:44] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:45] <genii> Hello... if there is a person who believes they are helping but actually giving potentially catastrophic advice, what to do? Basically I'm trying to keep an eye on them and point out the flaws in their instructions/recommendations to the person they are supposedly "helping" but thats really frustrating. I'm not exactly sure what else to do in these situations.
[11:45] <Myrtti> "if they've made a habit out of it and you suspect they're doing it with malicious intent, report it"
[11:46] <Myrtti> depending on which channel you're on, here or -irc
[11:46] <genii> Myrtti: Are you everywhere?
[11:46] <Myrtti> yup
[11:46] <genii> heh
[11:46] <Myrtti> part of the deal being ops at -women, -fi and -fi-tiimit
[11:46] <Myrtti> along with -offtopic, #u and #x
[11:47] <ikonia> genii: which user and channel do you believe is not helping well
[11:49] <genii> ikonia: The user scorpian in #ubuntu . For instance he recommended:  "[06:09] <scorpian> @pradeep type #sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1" when the fellow asked about formatting his usb pendrive..without knowing first if indeed that was the correct drive
[11:50] <genii> More recently he assured another user that mounting a drive to / was not necesarily a bad thing
[11:51] <ikonia> genii: he just looks a little slapdash, don't worry
[11:52] <genii> ikonia: Yes, i said earlier that it does not seem malicious. But still could be dangerous, like reformatting someones hd accidentally would not be a Good Thing
[11:52] <ikonia> no, I understand, you have a valid concern
[11:53] <genii> ikonia: OK thanks. I just hope enugh ppl are paying attention to correct his larger booboos
[11:53] <ikonia> well, people are aware now
[11:54] <genii> All right. I'll get back to what i was doing then :)
[12:20] <ikonia> if I have ban fowarded someone to the wrong channel, how do I correct it?
[12:20] <Pici> undo the ban forward (its just like any other ban) and set the correct channel
[12:21] <jussi01> ikonia: remove the ban, then add it again
[12:21] <ikonia> that simple
[12:21] <Pici> -b *!*@<IP_ADDRESS>!#ubuntu-offtopic +b *!*@<IP_ADDRESS>!#ubuntu-ops
[12:21] <jussi01> :)
[12:24] <Pici> ikonia: do you need help changing that ban?
[12:25] <ikonia> Pici: unamomento
[12:26] <ikonia> complaining that the channel is not synced
[12:26] <Pici> irssi?
[12:27] <Pici> Myrtti: ;)
[12:27] <ikonia> yes irssi
[12:28] <ikonia> Myrtti: thank you
[12:28] <Myrtti> np
[12:28] <Myrtti> thank Pici
[12:28] <ikonia> ?
[12:28] <Pici> ikonia: I had the same issue once, you need to /set channel_max_who_sync   to something larger than the number of people who would be in the channel at once, I have mine at 2000
[12:28] <Myrtti> I copypasted it from that :-D
[12:28] <ikonia> Pici: thank you to
[12:28] <ikonia> Pici: ahh
[12:29] <ikonia> Pici: appriciated
[12:31] <PriceChild> Be careful with that settings :)
[12:31] <ikonia> PriceChild: I assume too high will kill me
[12:31] <Pici> I've never had an issue with irssi causing me to excess flood out
[12:32] <PriceChild> ikonia: "The maximum number of users that may be in a channel for Irssi to issue a
[12:32] <PriceChild> bah
[12:32] <PriceChild> /who #channel
[12:33] <ikonia> Pici: care to send me your alias's for irssi ?
[12:34] <Pici> ikonia: http://nullcortex.com/2008/06/23/irssi-aliases-scripts/
[12:34] <ikonia> thanks
[12:34] <ikonia> ahh you sent that before, I didn't book mark it
[12:34] <ikonia> thanks
[12:34] <Pici> No problem
[12:36] <neopsyche> hi
[12:36] <neopsyche> greetings
[12:36] <neopsyche> hello
[12:37] <neopsyche> konichiwa?
[12:37] <neopsyche> aloha?
[12:37] <PriceChild> Hello neopsyche?
[12:37] <neopsyche> gonjani
[12:37] <neopsyche> hi
[12:37] <neopsyche> just to clear this up
[12:37] <neopsyche> I apologies to Ikonia
[12:37] <neopsyche> I was coming from the mindset of ubuntu being an operating system that attempts to enter the windows market and convert windows users to ubuntu
[12:37] <neopsyche> i have since been told that is not the drive of ubuntu
[12:38] <ikonia> neopsyche: it doesn't matter what mind set ou where coming from - you where asked to a.) provide more information, which you ignored b.) stop going off topic - which you ignored c.) stop ranting about how windows was better than linux - which you ignored
[12:38] <ikonia> neopsyche: you then flooded the channel
[12:38] <neopsyche> could someone please explain what the marketing and drive of ubuntu is.. what the point is.. if it is not aimed at the average user (such as most windows users)
[12:39] <neopsyche> ikonia: gee.. if you check the logs i think you will find it was not that bad
[12:39] <neopsyche> ikonia: and flooding??? er.. more than 3 lines of text.?
[12:39] <ikonia> neopsyche: I don't need to check the logs, I was there
[12:39] <neopsyche> ikonia: i think not
[12:39] <neopsyche> ikonia: yes. your version.
[12:39] <neopsyche> ok
[12:39] <neopsyche> ikonia: are you a robot?
[12:39] <ikonia> neopsyche: multiple lines of capialised text, with .................. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:39] <ikonia> neopsyche: clearly not
[12:40] <neopsyche> ikonia: oh.. yes i forgot we are not supposed to have feelings, just follow parameters . beep beep
[12:40] <neopsyche> ikonia: ;-)
[12:40] <ikonia> neopsyche: thats fine - if you don't want to discuss your behaviour, then I suggest you leave and come back when you feel you'd like to
[12:40] <ikonia> neopsyche: adding :) on the end of things doesn't make things "ok" or "acceptable"
[12:40] <neopsyche> ikonia: did i say i diddnt want to ? are you assuming?
[12:40] <neopsyche> ikonia: it was a joke
[12:41] <neopsyche> ikonia: cant you take a joke?
[12:41] <ikonia> neopsyche: lets cut to the chase, do you understnad why you where removed from #ubuntu ?
[12:41] <neopsyche> ikonia: whats not ok about what i just said.
[12:42] <neopsyche> ikonia: well.. you 1. diddnt like the fact that i was pointing out the issues with the ubuntu 8.04 auto insallation of dualboot.
[12:42] <ikonia> neopsyche: thats not what I asked
[12:42] <ikonia> neopsyche: I asked if you understood why you where removed from #ubuntu ?
[12:42] <neopsyche> 2. diddnt like my 2 or 3 lines of text that 'was not in ALL caps' that tried to spell the problem out
[12:42] <neopsyche> 3. you decided to ban me
[12:42] <neopsyche> the above points are my understanding of it.
[12:42] <ikonia> neopsyche: ok, so you don't understand why you where banned.
[12:43] <neopsyche> ikonia: you diddnt like what i was saying.
[12:43] <neopsyche> "promoting windows"
[12:43] <neopsyche> as you put it
[12:43] <neopsyche> ikonia: oh . and that i used caps in part of a sentence
[12:44] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'll explain it again. 1.) you where not giving enough information to trouble shoot your issue,  multiple people asked you for feedback which you just ignored. 2.) you flooded the channel with random text that was ALL in capitals 3.) when you where asked to stop discussing why windows was better than ubuntu, because it was in an ubuntu support channel you ignored the request to stop, multiple times
[12:44] <neopsyche> ikonia: 1. i felt i was giving enough information
[12:45] <neopsyche> ikonia: 2. the text was not random and contained some non caps text at the beginning
[12:45] <neopsyche> ikonia: 3. I did not say that windows was better than ubuntu
[12:45] <neopsyche> is there anyone else here who can mediate this?
[12:46] <PriceChild> neopsyche: #ubuntu is for support of ubuntu only.
[12:46] <PriceChild> neopsyche: it is run by volunteers giving their own time to help troubleshoot random people's issues.
[12:46] <neopsyche> PriceChild: i was trying to install ubuntu when it caused the issue
[12:46] <neopsyche> PriceChild: i know it is run by volunteers
[12:46] <neopsyche> PriceChild: whats your point?
[12:46] <neopsyche> is there anyone else here who can mediate this issue?
[12:47] <PriceChild> neopsyche: I would like to try if you are willing to let me finish.
[12:47] <neopsyche> PriceChild: go ahead.
[12:47] <neopsyche> PriceChild: i dont know if you are an op or not
[12:47] <PriceChild> neopsyche: People with voice in this channel are ops.
[12:48] <PriceChild> neopsyche: If you're asking for help in a channel then we request you abide by /msg ubotu guidelines
[12:48] <neopsyche> PriceChild: are there no ops so you cant kick eachother?
[12:48] <neopsyche> PriceChild: indeed.
[12:48] <PriceChild> ubottu sorry
[12:48] <neopsyche> PriceChild: i noticed.. some people are quite quick to assume.
[12:48] <jussi01> neopsyche: we dont keep ops - only take it when needed
[12:49] <neopsyche> jussi01: thats very covert of youi
[12:49] <PriceChild> neopsyche: wrt 1. if you're asking for help, its only polite to aid the person in fixing your problem.
[12:49] <neopsyche> PriceChild: indeed i tried to explain
[12:49] <PriceChild> neopsyche: we don't keep ops because it attracts unwanted attention, we believe we don't need different treatment to other members of the channel.
[12:50] <neopsyche> PriceChild: right. i get that.
[12:50] <neopsyche> PriceChild: ops begging etc.
[12:51] <PriceChild> neopsyche: I think this has blown out of all proportion.
[12:51] <neopsyche> PriceChild:  i dont think it has.
[12:51] <neopsyche> PriceChild: ;-)
[12:51] <PriceChild> So what would you like from us?
[12:52] <neopsyche> PriceChild: dont kick people for mentioning issues in #ubutnu .. or rename it to #ubuntu-support to indicate that it is a support channel.
[12:52] <neopsyche> PriceChild: remember that:
[12:52] <PriceChild> neopsyche: Ok well we don't kick people for mentioning issues in #ubuntu
[12:53] <PriceChild> neopsyche: and please read the topic of a channel when joining, to find out what is ontopic/offtopic discussion.
[12:53] <neopsyche> PriceChild: users of windows dont understand as much about linux as seasoned linux users. therefore . they are likely to make misteaks
[12:53] <PriceChild> neopsyche: yes
[12:54] <neopsyche> PriceChild: i beleive i was kicked for discussing an issue with 8.04 boot as relating to windows users not wanting to use ubuntu ever agian after experiencing the problem.
[12:54] <ikonia> that was not the case, as I've explained to you
[12:54] <neopsyche> (not saying one operating system is better necesarilly as it was phrased by ikonia.. i feel that is an outright lie)
[12:55] <ikonia> neopsyche: I've explained the 3 reasons you where removed for, you where also removed earlier and asked to stop discussing non-support related issues, which you ignored, so you where removed.
[12:55] <neopsyche> ikonia: i am not referring to other instances of rule breaking but the windows better than ubuntu comment you said i made which i did not.
[12:55] <PriceChild> At the point you were kicked, you weren't trying to get support anymore, and were seemingly ranting. As well as that silly capital and spaces talk
[12:56] <neopsyche> ikonia: i was not ranting. i was mentioning the issues regarding how windows users are going to take the error, and also trying to explain my point to ikonia. i even apologiesed for the caps and mentioned it was out of frustration and not personal at which point he/she kicked me.
[12:57] <ikonia> neopsyche: I think your wrong
[12:57] <ikonia> you where kicked after your caps out burst
[12:58] <ikonia> but this is symantics
[12:58] <neopsyche> ikonia: i think i am right
[12:58] <ikonia> the bottom line is you where not interacting with the channel appropriatly
[12:58] <neopsyche> ikonia: i think i was except for the caps in a sentence which i apologised for
[12:59] <ikonia> neopsyche: you where asked to stop discsussing the offtopic converation, multiple times. You where asked for more information on your support issues, which you ignored. Thats not interacting with the channel
[13:00] <neopsyche> ikonia: so, what exactly was it that i said that was offtopic. please paste it.
[13:00] <PriceChild> Further discussion won't take us anywhere.
[13:00] <PriceChild> neopsyche: anything that isn't asking or giving support is offtopic... ie your talk about windows users.
[13:00] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'm not going to get into a log posting discussion for no reason. I suggest you leave the channel and think about what has been said here.
[13:00] <neopsyche> PriceChild: thats very unconstructive, i think it will
[13:01] <PriceChild> neopsyche: I think it best we all step away from the situation for a short while.
[13:01] <neopsyche> ikonia: i think the real reason you dont want to post the log regarding my windows comment is because it will expose your lie about me saying 'windows is better'
[13:01] <PriceChild> public logs are available at irclogs.ubuntu.com
[13:02]  * PriceChild disappears for a little
[13:03] <ikonia> neopsyche: your welcome to your opinion.
[13:03] <ikonia> neopsyche: Please take a few hours to think about what's been said in here, and how your comments (read the log if you want) come across
[13:03] <neopsyche> PriceChild: I think you think it is best to step away from this conversation because i am making a point. and my point is my comments were relevant to the development of ubuntu and expansion of it for windows users, and how ubuntu can take tips from windows as to how to better serve the average users and that 'if' ubuntu does not address those issues it may as in 'might possibly' never...
[13:03] <neopsyche> ...become a desktop user platform of choice.. you say i am welcome to my opinion but i got kicked forit.
[13:04] <neopsyche> ikonia: i am not concerened about how they come across only if they are accurate and truthful
[13:04] <ikonia> neopsyche: then read the ubuntu code of conduct
[13:04] <ikonia> !coc | neopsyche
[13:04] <ikonia> neopsyche: how your comments come across is very important. And I'll be blunt - your comments where not very thought out
[13:05] <ikonia> neopsyche: so now, I'm asking you to please go away for a few hours, think about what has been said in here, read the logs, and the code of coduct link, then if you'd like to return to #ubuntu come back and discuss it
[13:05] <neopsyche> ikonia: were my comments truthful regarding the issue of the installation problem or not?
[13:06] <ikonia> neopsyche: no,
[13:06] <neopsyche> ikonia: what was untruthful about them?
[13:06] <ikonia> neopsyche: you where having a personal issue which people wnated to help - this is not "a problem with ubuntu"
[13:06] <ikonia> neopsyche: as I've said - please read the information, and consider the discussion in here, and come back in a few hours.
[13:06] <ikonia> please.
[13:06] <neopsyche> ikonia: how is a bug not an ubuntu issue?
[13:07] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'm not going to discuss this further at this time, please just take a little time to consider the discussion in here
[13:07] <neopsyche> ikonia: I think you are running away from the problem. which is an issue with ubuntu itself.
[13:07] <neopsyche> ikonia: you kicked me for pointing that out, and i take offence to that.
[13:07] <ikonia> neopsyche: please leave the channel and consider the discussion.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: bug #?
[13:08] <neopsyche> ikonia: please answer my question regarding the bug
[13:08] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: yes
[13:08] <ikonia> neopsyche: I've explained I'm not going to discuss your removal any further.
[13:08]  * gnomefreak starts getting a bad feeling but it maybe the coffee not this topic
[13:08] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: no, a bug number request is supposed to be answered with a number.  not "yes".
[13:09] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: it appears that many 'many many' users are installing ubuntu dualboot only to find that it cripples their system.. when i started mentioning the ramifications of this issue for the expansion of ubuntu i was kicked by ikonia (partly also for using caps in a sentence which i apologised for)
[13:10] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i dont know if there is a number/?
[13:10] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i am a primarily windows user and dont know what bug "number" it would be?
[13:10] <ikonia> neopsyche: I've explained why you where kicked, and then why you where kicked and banned a second time a number of times.
[13:10] <Hobbsee> if it is, indeed, a bug, and not user error, then why didn't you file it as a bug?
[13:10] <Pici> !bus
[13:10] <neopsyche> ikonia: i diddnt notice how many times ikonia but you kicked me for discussing a relevant issue thats my view.
[13:10] <Pici> !bugs | too
[13:11] <Hobbsee> let me guess, you didn't define how it cripples the system, either?
[13:11] <gnomefreak> Pici: we should link bus to bugs ;)
[13:11] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i was not told i could file it, i was kicked.
[13:11] <ikonia> neopsyche: now your making things up
[13:11] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: and i'm asking you now, and you're not being helpful.
[13:11] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i did ;-)
[13:11] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: excuse me, i dont think i type as fast as you. please be patient
[13:12] <jussi01> !bus is foo
[13:12] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: can you be patient regarding that?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:12] <Hobbsee> (if you did, in fact, put it into #ubuntu, shouldn't you be copying and pasting?)
[13:12] <jussi01> !bus is <alias>bugs
[13:12] <jussi01> !no, bus is <alias>bugs
[13:12] <jussi01> gnomefreak: happy?
[13:12] <jussi01> :D
[13:12] <gnomefreak> jussi01: always
[13:12] <gnomefreak> cant let things get to you around these parts
[13:13] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: the bug is a boot issue which prevents access to either windows or ubuntu can you see my frutration at people such as yourself asking why i am not pasting? :-) especially when i am not perhaps as fast to type as you?
[13:13] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: the bug is that it doesnt boot into either os after installation . just for the record
[13:13] <Hobbsee> yes, but why?
[13:13] <Hobbsee> it works for me, it works for a lot of people.
[13:14] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: another problem is ubuntu users assuming windows users know whats going on
[13:14] <gnomefreak> grub error 17?
[13:14] <Hobbsee> if you can't say why it doesn't boot, then, really, you're being unhelpful.
[13:14] <gnomefreak> ^^^ popular grub error
[13:14] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: or can read error messages off your screen, yes.
[13:14] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: how am i supposed to or expected to know why when i have little to know knowledge of computing compaired to some if not most on here
[13:14] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: the error messsage i did paste :-)
[13:14] <neopsyche> check the logs if you like
[13:14] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[13:15] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i dont see how that is unhelpful
[13:15] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: you are being unhelpful by not being understanding that i am telling you i am inexeperienced in these things and continually saying that i am not giving enough information when i am doing my best to try to explain.
[13:16]  * Hobbsee looks at the logs.
[13:17] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: you will see i mentioned error message 'A Disk Read error occurred'
[13:18] <Hobbsee> yes - that's what i was expecting you to answer here, incidently.
[13:18] <neopsyche> well. that is the error messge
[13:18] <neopsyche> so .. i did infact give the error message
[13:18] <neopsyche> perhaps everyone was too focussed on asking for other errors to notice
[13:19] <neopsyche> however after trying to explain i was kicked
[13:19] <neopsyche> i even tried to spell it out.
[13:19] <neopsyche> but then added apology as i was using caps
[13:19] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: you appear to think that it was deliberate that the inside-windows installer died.
[13:20] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i think it could be a well known bug perhaps. thats why i tried #ubuntu
[13:20] <Hobbsee> if it was a well known bug, in the installer, then it was likely to have been fixed by now, no?
[13:20] <neopsyche> which to me sounds like an all round channel for ubuntu ... unlike #ubuntu-support
[13:20] <Pici> There is no #ubuntu-support
[13:21] <neopsyche> i know
[13:21] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: that being said, why did you never give the output of sudo fdisk -l, as you were asked many timse to do?
[13:21] <neopsyche> I just tried to start that channel.. and it says it is owned by ubuntuirccouncil event hough they never use it!
[13:21] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: hobbsee, my pc wont boot into ubuntu so i could not give that
[13:22] <Hobbsee> they told you you could by the live cd, and if i'm not reading this, you said ok.
[13:22] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: nor was i explained to why i must give that
[13:22] <Hobbsee> so, presumably you understood.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> do you require explanations for everything, in a busy support channel?
[13:22] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i wanted more information befere waiting for my computer to boot into live cd
[13:23] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: yes, as i like to understand the purpose of things to figure out if there is an easier way
[13:23] <ikonia> but you said your not experienced
[13:23] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: could you help me with this issue? as ikonia has kicked me.
[13:23] <ikonia> and you don't understand
[13:23] <Pici> neopsyche: And because you didnt get that answer it made it okay to go offtopic and make a scene?
[13:23] <Hobbsee> then i really don't think places like #ubuntu can help you, and you'd do better to refer to manuals.
[13:24] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: no i am not very experienced but i like to learn and understand as best as possible why something is done even if only on a basic level
[13:24] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: at this point, i'd boot with the live cd, and install windows on another partition.  there's a nice option there that will partition your drive, and let you use the free space for ubuntu.
[13:24] <Hobbsee> that being said, you probably need to repair whatever's happened to your windows first, which might be appropriate to do in somewhere like ##windows.
[13:25] <neopsyche> Pici: no not at all, 1. i felt that mentioning a serious bug and the possible ramifications thereof was relevant 2. making a scene as you put it is the natural human response to try to draw attention to an important issue so yes. ;-)
[13:25] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: all your bug was is "something in the installer inside windows failed".
[13:25] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: i have video data on the drive and am afraid to lose it by using the partitioner
[13:25] <ikonia> neopsyche: so you still haven't read the guidelines and you still don't understand why your behaviour was not appropriate in a busy support channel
[13:25] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: no wonder people were asking for more informatoin.
[13:26] <neopsyche> ikonia: fine ikonia. your input is not helpful. go away.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: that's like me saying "a house is on fire" to a fireman.
[13:26] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: ok. that makes sense
[13:26] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'm afraid thats not how it works, This is not a support channel, I suggest support is stopped in this channel.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> sure, that's kinda helpful - but it doesn't tell him enough information to even start solving the problem.
[13:27] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: to me .. i tried to install windows and ubuntu from live cd using dual boot optoin and now it wont boot (error message) was enough.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> so, what's the error message for why it won't boot?  is it still "A disk read error has occurred"?
[13:28] <neopsyche> ikonia: you booted me because you diddnt like the way i was coming across and now i am banned. so let me have my support and dont try to bully me in this channel too.
[13:28] <Pici> neopsyche: This isn't a support channel. Period.
[13:28] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'm not bullying you - this channel is not for support issues.
[13:28] <neopsyche> ikonia: i diddnt say it was
[13:28] <Hobbsee> it is true, it doesn't help that i'm effectively giving support ehre.
[13:28] <neopsyche> ikonia: you are all quite selfish to deny someone support
[13:28] <Hobbsee> but i am interested in whatever's actually happened here.
[13:28] <neopsyche> (selfish: those who wnat to kick me )_
[13:28] <ikonia> neopsyche: I'm trying to explain why your beahviour in #ubuntu was in appropriate so that you understand and can get back in to re-gain support
[13:29] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: that was uncalled for.
[13:31] <ikonia> sorry that should read in-appropriate
[13:31] <neopsyche> ikonia: you make support for ubuntu in this situation extremely difficult.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> right.  both of you, stand down.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> you're not helping.
[13:32] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: what i'd suggest you do at this point, is what I said above, and to post all the error messages you get, and a long summary of the issue, to ubuntuforums.net - they're more likely to go slower, and to give you explanations on why things are happening.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> it also contains a search, which you might find helpful
[13:33] <Hobbsee> but i would point out that ranting over how bad linux is, because you've been hit by a bug, which does'nt normally happen, is very unhelpful - no one can actually do anything with it - they can't fix the bug, all they can do is ignore the noise created.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> okay?
[13:33] <neopsyche> ok. ikonia. my apologies for using caps and discussing an ubuntu issue as relating to windows users in a channel purely dedicated to support and not offtopic conversations which in my opionion would be better suited to be called ubunut-offtopic as this makes more logical sense but also makes sense if ops want to feel they are 'the' ubuntu support channel to boost their egos, however you are...
[13:33] <neopsyche> ...the master of the channel , you are the grand supreme elite ubuntu ops that have control over other users.. yes .. its true, and egos do come into it. so please unban me so i can get support.
[13:34] <Pici> ...
[13:34] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: good point hobbsee . im human. what can i say.
[13:34] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: we arent robots.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> at the moment, i can't see a live-chat support environment being a helpful place for you to start, as you do what explanations as well as a fix.
[13:34] <neopsyche> * error not ubuntu-offtopic *ubuntu-support was the correct term in the paragraphs above
[13:35] <Hobbsee> i also don't think it's overly appropriate to play the "blame game" either.
[13:35] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: indeed .. lets end the balme game
[13:35] <neopsyche> ikonia: you win. i hope you enjoy your victory.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: that's not helpful either.
[13:35] <neopsyche> ikonia: i am utterly sick of this conversation
[13:35] <Hobbsee> so, how about we end this now, and neopsyche follows the two blocks of advice that iv'e said above.
[13:35] <Pici> No one is keeping you here then.
[13:36] <neopsyche> but watch .. ikonia would not unban me even if i read the rules
[13:36] <neopsyche> iknoia will make it personal
[13:36] <ikonia> ???
[13:36] <Myrtti> how wonderful to jump into conclusions
[13:36] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: ikonia's not the only one who can undo bans, and really, you're not being helpful.
[13:36] <neopsyche> which rules exactly did i break?
[13:36] <Pici> neopsyche: This is not constructive.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> ...i'm sure this has already been covered.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: i must ask you to leave now, and to follow the advice given earlier.
[13:37] <neopsyche> ok. i see your point of view is.
[13:37] <neopsyche> mentioning windows issue that was offtopic
[13:37] <neopsyche> and caps
[13:37] <neopsyche> and not relevant or enough infomration
[13:37] <neopsyche> *information
[13:37] <neopsyche> this is such a waste of time
[13:37]  * Hobbsee watches neopsyche talk himself into silence, as everyone else has had enough.
[13:38] <Hobbsee> (and only wants constructive conversation)
[13:38] <neopsyche> who cares.
[13:38] <neopsyche> noone
[13:38] <neopsyche> ;-)
[13:38] <neopsyche> iknoia.
[13:38] <neopsyche> my apologies for not playing by the rules
[13:38] <neopsyche> your rules
[13:38] <neopsyche> and the rules set up by those who run the 'show'
[13:39] <neopsyche> if you want to unban me . great
[13:39] <neopsyche> if not. thats not great
[13:39] <jussi01> ...
[13:39] <Pici> ...
[13:39] <Hobbsee> wow.
[13:40] <Hobbsee> some people are just...
[13:40] <Myrtti> that.
[13:41] <Pici> Yes, no need to quantify it, we all saw it.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> that being said though...
[13:41] <Myrtti> I thought it was fairly close, though
[13:41] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised that no one pointed out why they needed more information, or tried to be helpful beyond "we need the output of this"
[13:42] <Hobbsee> there are certainly a class of users that don't really respond well to that
[13:42] <ikonia> Hobbsee: many people asked for more information, and gave commands to get it
[13:42] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i realise that.  reread what i said, though.
[13:43] <Pici> neopsyche: Do you have anything further that we can help you with?
[13:43] <ikonia> Hobbsee: ahh, I see
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's probably typing.
[13:43] <neopsyche> doh
[13:43] <neopsyche> im still being redirected here
[13:43] <Hobbsee> ikonia: this isn't the first case we've had like this.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: yes, yes you are.
[13:44] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[13:44] <Pici> ikonia: np
[13:45] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: yeah
[13:45] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: hm
[13:45] <Hobbsee> now, why don't you go and follow the advise i gave you?
[13:45] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: life sucks, ubuntu sucks, since my computer is trashed.
[13:45] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: boot ubuntu live
[13:45] <neopsyche> ?
[13:45] <elky> neopsyche, stop wasting our time.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> [22:24] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: at this point, i'd boot with the live cd, and install windows on another partition.  there's a nice option there that will partition your drive, and let you use the free space for ubuntu.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> [22:25] <Hobbsee> that being said, you probably need to repair whatever's happened to your windows first, which might be appropriate to do in somewhere like ##windows.
[13:46] <neopsyche> elky: put me on ignore
[13:46] <Hobbsee> [22:32] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: what i'd suggest you do at this point, is what I said above, and to post all the error messages you get, and a long summary of the issue, to ubuntuforums.net - they're more likely to go slower, and to give you explanations on why things are happening.[22:33] <Hobbsee> it also contains a search, which you might find helpful
[13:46] <Hobbsee> [22:33] <Hobbsee> but i would point out that ranting over how bad linux is, because you've been hit by a bug, which does'nt normally happen, is very unhelpful - no one can actually do anything with it - they can't fix the bug, all they can do is ignore the noise created.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> end of story.
[13:46] <ikonia> I'd standby in -offtopic
[13:46] <elky> hmm, i think i hit a few extra keys
[13:47] <neopsyche> no kidding
[13:47] <neopsyche> you ops all seem to be the same
[13:47] <Myrtti> thanks
[13:47] <Myrtti> that makes me feel all fuzzy and warm inside
[13:47] <elky> likewise you trolls.
[13:47] <neopsyche> hehe
[13:47] <neopsyche> now we are getting somewhere.
[13:47] <Myrtti> we are?
[13:47] <Myrtti> I was sure I was getting hungry even before
[13:48] <Myrtti> also: tired
[13:48] <neopsyche> so im considered to be a troll.. i guess all windows users are considered trolls by ubuntu ops
[13:48]  * Hobbsee doubts the guy actually wants help.
[13:48] <Pici> neopsyche: This is not constructive
[13:48] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: no, but most people will do something constructive after given information - like, actually following it.
[13:48] <neopsyche> hobbsee: you have been helpful. at this point i am just too pissed off to focus on trying to fix the problem
[13:48] <PriceChild> u< neopsyche> PriceChild: I think you think it is best to step away from this conversation because i am making a point. and my  point is my comments were relevant to the development of ubuntu and expansion of it for windows users, and how ubuntu can take tips from windows
[13:48] <Pici> neopsyche: Then take a break for a bit
[13:48] <PriceChild>  as to how to better serve the avrage users and that 'if' ubuntu does not address those issues it may as in 'might possibly' nev'er...
[13:49] <neopsyche> my apologies to all
[13:49] <PriceChild> neopsyche: #ubuntu is for support *only*
[13:49] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: may i advise you that you should take a break from your keyboard, or others will do it for you.
[13:49] <PriceChild> I also can't believe this is still going on...
[13:49] <Pici> PriceChild: me too
[13:49] <neopsyche> im a mess when it comes to solving these issues. who knows maby one day it will change.
[13:49] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: yeah.. im expecting them to kick me any second
[13:50] <Myrtti> hmm
[13:50] <Pici> If theres nothing further...
[13:50] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: please get them to rename #ubuntu to #ubuntu-support as it is most logical ... and i feel like making waves.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: if you want to be thought of as an irresponsible teenager, go right ahead and continue.  i would have thought you had enough self respect nto to do so.
[13:50] <Myrtti> I actually feel like kickbanning the whole channel and leaving only the bots and myself here
[13:50] <Hobbsee> neopsyche: there's a /topic for a reason.
[13:50] <Myrtti> that would be a cool thing to do
[13:50] <Myrtti> FUN too.
[13:51]  * elky hugs Myrtti
[13:51] <Pici> Myrtti: No fair, you get the bots all to yourself :(
[13:51]  * PriceChild gives Myrtti flags to 'clear'
[13:51] <neopsyche> Hobbsee: hmm.. self respect online. i think the issue with respect online is lack of accountability
[13:51] <neopsyche> people can say/do almost anything without much accountability
[13:51] <elky> neopsyche, is that what you're doing?
[13:51]  * Hobbsee isn't even going to start on that one, although it is false.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> elky: give him the boot please :)
[13:52] <neopsyche> elky: yup. guess so.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> preferably one for a while...
[13:52] <neopsyche> elky: bye hobbsee.
[13:52] <neopsyche> see you when maby i have more sanity
[13:52] <Myrtti> how about we just leave the growling and gnarling to the other side?
[13:52] <elky> neopsyche, please leave of your own accord
[13:52] <neopsyche> yaay back to the loonie bin in the internet
[13:52] <Myrtti> AND JUST SHUT THE HECK UP.
[13:52] <neopsyche> doh.
[13:52] <Myrtti> ALL OF YA
[13:52] <Pici> ♥
[13:53] <neopsyche> you arent going to kick me?
[13:53] <Myrtti> nope
[13:53] <neopsyche> hey .. someone ban myrtti for capes
[13:53] <neopsyche> *caps
[13:53] <neopsyche> since we are all anal retentive about caps
[13:53] <Myrtti> as long as you sit on your wee ass and listen closely.
[13:53]  * Myrtti glares on everyone
[13:53] <Pici> This is ridiculous
[13:53] <neopsyche> maby myrtti has a wee ass
[13:53]  * Hobbsee counts the people that are now acting out of line.
[13:53] <Myrtti> no one is being productive here
[13:54] <Myrtti> me even less so than the brightminded folks that have the sensibility of being quiet
[13:54] <neopsyche> ridiculous is the beginning of all things crazy
[13:54] <neopsyche> er or whatever
[13:54] <Myrtti> why the ban, it so not fun
[13:54] <Pici> elky: thank you, if I could do that I would have long ago.
[13:54]  * Myrtti pouts
[13:54] <Myrtti> hmph
[13:54] <elky> Myrtti, because i want to go to bed, and nobody else was going to stop the cycle
[13:55] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: i'm sure you can take him into a PM.
[13:55]  * jussi01 thought about doing it, but figured that there was a council member here so let them deal with it...
[13:56] <Myrtti> I'll start gathering up the material for the "Ubuntu Ops Training Camp At The Middle Of Nowhere Using Soft Cushioned Baseball Bats"
[13:56] <elky> skip the cushions and just round up the ##politics regulars
[13:56] <Myrtti> gaffers tape, check
[13:56] <ikonia> offtopic quick
[13:56] <Myrtti> pantyhose, check
[13:58] <Pici> Hobbsee: Is the Kubuntuforums the proper place to herd Kubuntu people with questions? I'm looking at setting up a !support factoid for #kubuntu
[13:58] <Hobbsee> erm, i supsect so
[13:59] <Hobbsee> although they do have a place at UF too
[13:59] <Pici> !support-#kubuntu is <reply> The official Kubuntu support channel is #kubuntu. Also see http://www.kubuntu.com/support.php
[13:59] <Myrtti> and here we go
[14:02] <elky> lets see how long it lasts...
[14:02] <Myrtti> well he's chatting with me now
[14:03] <Pici> You have the patience of a saint
[14:03] <Pici> Or a madwoman
[14:03] <elky> the latter
[14:03] <elky> she's definately the latter ;)
[14:05] <Pici> I'm going to get back to work
[14:19] <Myrtti> I must be out of my mind, I'll give you that
[14:23] <Myrtti> would you horribly mind if I'd take the ban off from him and just watch how he's doing?
[14:23] <Myrtti> from #ubuntu?
[14:24] <ikonia> Myrtti: do you really think thats appropriate
[14:24] <ikonia> he's wasted about 40 minutes ranting
[14:24] <Pici> I think he needs more of a time out too.
[14:24] <Myrtti> not the usage of the word *I*
[14:24] <ikonia> he can get support from places like the forums as Hobbsee suggested if he really needs it
[14:24] <Myrtti> s/not/note/
[14:25] <Pici> Myrtti: The only opinion I have is my own.
[14:25] <Myrtti> I'm afraid from what he's telling me he's in a bit of a tight spot and would really need to have that computer of his working as fast as possible
[14:26] <ikonia> Myrtti: then perhaps he should have thought about that
[14:26] <ikonia> I'm not convinced about how genuine he is
[14:26] <ikonia> if the computer was that important - would he be messing around putting ubuntu on it ?
[14:26] <Myrtti> btw, pastebinit works fine and dandy straight out of the package without installing it ... am preparing it to paste his pm's with me with pastebin
[14:27] <jussi01> Id have no problems with it - why not? if he behaves, then we have a hppy user, if not, then ban, and he knows he has done wrong and we have something to say "I told you so"
[14:27] <ikonia> I don't think he knows he's done wrong
[14:27] <ikonia> he argued everything
[14:28] <ikonia> then he trolled the other channels.......so he certainly knew he was doing wrong then
[14:28] <jussi01> ikonia: really thats my point - its not going to be that much of a disturbance - why not try it?
[14:28] <Pici> I disagree
[14:28] <ikonia> because in my opinion it validates his behaviour
[14:29] <Pici> I'm curious to see Myrtti's logs to see what he said
[14:29] <Myrtti> I'm trying to find a service that would allow me to put stuff behind a password
[14:30] <jussi01> I just think sometimes you have to have a marshall plan - when you have beaten the enemy you help him up and he is so appreciative he isnt that stupid again.
[14:30] <jussi01> Myrtti: pastebin.ca iirc
[14:30] <jussi01> little box at the bottom.
[14:30] <Pici> Theres no win or lose here.
[14:30] <ikonia> jussi01: I'm all for that, I guess see what Myrtti says
[14:30] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: pastebin.ca?
[14:30] <Myrtti> well there we go, he quit
[14:30] <Myrtti> hold on
[14:32] <Myrtti> hmmm
[14:32] <Myrtti> WHAT do I see with me teeny eyes
[14:33] <Myrtti> --- Log opened Sat May 03 23:32:40 2008
[14:33] <Myrtti> I wonder what happened then
[14:33] <Myrtti> anyway
[14:39] <Myrtti> this is perfect
[14:40] <Myrtti> http://paste.f-box.org/83
[14:41] <Myrtti> those intrested may ask
[14:41] <Myrtti> command used was cat irkkiloki/freenode/neopsyche\ freenode20080708.log | ./pastebinit-0.10/pastebinit -b http://paste.f-box.org -a myrtti -j<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-u myrtti -p GOTCHAFOOLED
[14:41] <Myrtti> X-D
[14:41] <Pici> username/pass?
[14:42] <Pici> er, nevermind
[14:42] <ikonia> use/pass doens't work
[14:42] <ikonia> doesn't
[14:42] <Myrtti> OH REALLY?!
[14:43] <Myrtti> :-D
[14:43] <ikonia> I assum -u and -p
[14:43] <ikonia> ooh
[14:43] <ikonia> just clicked
[14:43] <ikonia> sorry
[14:43] <ikonia> send it over
[14:45] <Myrtti> yup, why would I bother putting it behind a password and then just chuck the password openly to a logged channel?
[14:45] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:45] <Myrtti> but pastebinit is pure love ♥
[14:46] <Myrtti> np. Carole King - You've got a friend
[14:47]  * Myrtti hugs everyone in their turn
[14:47] <Myrtti> starting from jussi01
[14:49] <ikonia> Myrtti: in my personal opinion there isnt much sign of remorse or even interest in getting his PC working
[14:49] <ikonia> he's not tried any of the info Hobbsee gave him
[14:49] <Myrtti> well, not anymore
[14:49] <Myrtti> I was willing to give him slack - but then he quit
[14:49] <Myrtti> not going to raise a finger for him now
[15:21] <Pici> ...
[15:21] <Pici> !scope > mib_euryqd
[15:24] <Myrtti> would someone slap him?
[15:24] <Pici> I'm in there now, the next time he does it I will.
[15:24] <Myrtti> :-D
[15:26] <Dave2> koji cancel 7
[15:26] <Dave2> argh. multi-monitor fail. :(
[15:51] <jussi01> hrm, why is ubottu in #ubuntu-ir ?
[15:51] <jussi01> she shouldnt be in loco channels IMHO
[16:12] <Myrtti> because someone has added him there obviously
[16:16] <jussi01> I think I am going to check what channels she is in and remove from loco channels - they can have loco bots
[16:20] <Pici> jussi01: you might want to talk to the channel ops first so that they know you are doing that
[16:21] <bazhang> what is with everyone suggesting google in #ubuntu??
[16:21] <bazhang> ugh.
[16:21] <jussi01> Pici: yes
[16:22] <Pici> I dont know, but the that was a bit disturbing in -offtopic
[16:23] <bazhang> holy cow.
[16:24] <ikonia> how odd
[16:34] <bazhang> tita2
[17:13] <Myrtti> MERH.
[18:09] <Myrtti> oh great.
[18:09] <Pici> oh?
[18:09] <Myrtti> now is again great time to remember that I was supposed to take those meds I forgot to take yesterday morning, this morning
[18:09]  * Myrtti facepalms
[18:10] <Myrtti> mornings. I'm doing them wrong.
[18:10] <Myrtti> epic fail.
[18:10] <Myrtti> even - MULTIFAIL.
[18:11] <Myrtti> :-<
[18:12] <Pici> :(
[18:30] <ikonia> afternoon
[19:38] <ikonia> sexygirl in #ubuntu he's been in a few times, when he doesnt get responses he changes his nick to more "sexual names" to get attention
[19:40]  * Pici rolleyes
[19:40]  * jussi01 jumps
[19:40] <jussi01> in
[19:41] <ikonia> he's done it a few times
[19:43]  * Myrtti considers dressing up and going to buy Cheesie Poofs.
[19:44] <Myrtti> not Tiger Nuts this time though.
[19:44] <jussi01> what is with people tonight - you answer someone then cant actually help them, then they keep pinging you, jussi01 help me!
[19:44] <Pici> Weren't we talking about that yesterday?
[19:44] <Myrtti> what, about jussi01's chocolity goodness?
[19:44] <Myrtti> I don't think so, no
[19:44] <Pici> You might have been...
[19:51] <ikonia> Pici: sorry, your quicker
[19:51] <Pici> it was just a mute
[19:51] <ikonia> Pici: apologies
[19:51] <Pici> ikonia: no need
[20:01] <Pici> ikonia: :D
[20:01] <ikonia> huh ?
[20:01] <ikonia> what are you chucking at
[20:01] <Pici> ikonia: your comment to manoj
[20:01] <ikonia> mozzy: ah
[20:02] <Pici> I'm Pici, not mozzy
[20:02] <ikonia> oops
[20:02] <ikonia> stupid auto complete
[20:06] <Myrtti> no cheesy poofs?
[20:06] <Myrtti> no cheesy poofs.
[20:06] <ikonia> I like cheesy poofs, you like cheesy poofs
[20:16] <ikonia> geek_inn2 now trying to date me in a pm
[20:25] <SirTrombaLot> ciao
[20:25] <ikonia> hello
[20:25] <SirTrombaLot> I said ciao
[20:26] <ikonia> can we help ?
[20:26] <SirTrombaLot> yes
[20:26] <SirTrombaLot> i've got a big problem
[20:26] <sbriggi> hi there
[20:26] <ikonia> sbriggi: hello
[20:26] <SirTrombaLot> when i try to start an .exe
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> it doesn't start
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> in ubuntu
[20:27] <ikonia> SirTrombaLot: this is not a support channel, have you been forwarded here trying to join #ubuntu  ?
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> i can't join #ubuntu
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> they redirect me here
[20:27] <nalioth> SirTrombaLot is a troll.
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> what?
[20:27] <ikonia> SirTrombaLot: I suspect thats because of your hostname
[20:27] <SirTrombaLot> are you kidding me?
[20:27] <ompaul> mp
[20:27] <ompaul> no
[20:27] <ikonia> nalioth: ooh, I thought it was a simple hostname
[20:28] <ompaul> ikonia, read the +n
[20:28] <nalioth> SirTrombaLot: learn some civility and you'll be welcome in #ubuntu
[20:28] <ikonia> not there yet
[20:28] <SirTrombaLot> it's a dact of fact
[20:28] <ikonia> will do though
[20:28] <ompaul> SirTrombaLot, so there you go, there is nothing further here for you
[20:28] <SirTrombaLot> but it's a dact of fact
[20:28] <SirTrombaLot> but it's true!
[20:28] <nalioth> anything else we can help you with, SirTrombaLot ?
[20:28] <SirTrombaLot> yes
[20:28] <sbriggi> what?
[20:29] <SirTrombaLot> i've got a sexual illness
[20:29] <SirTrombaLot> sifilide
[20:29] <ompaul> sbriggi, how can we help you?
[20:29] <sbriggi> what's this channel for?
[20:29] <ompaul> not help
[20:29] <jussi01> sbriggi: see /topic ?
[20:30] <ompaul> it is for dealing with IRC operator issues in the Ubuntu space but not locos
[20:30] <ompaul> strange
[20:30] <ompaul> this world we live in
[20:31]  * ompaul watchs half a 90degree angle approach
[20:31] <ompaul> sbriggi, so tell me how can we help you?
[20:31] <ompaul> if there is nothing specific please see the topic, where it refers to idlers
[20:31] <sbriggi> ah ok
[20:31] <sbriggi> thx
[20:31] <sbriggi> bye
[20:33] <jussi01> yay for trolls in pm...
[20:35] <ikonia> who do you have ?
[20:35] <ompaul> jussi01, na
[20:35] <jussi01> our sirtrombalot ikonia
[20:35] <ikonia> ah
[20:35] <jussi01> I banned him in #kubuntu...
[20:35] <ikonia> I'm guessing he's quite well known
[21:18] <ompaul> !btlogin
[21:18] <ompaul> @btlogin
[21:18] <ompaul> thats cos I was confuesd
[21:22] <ompaul> can someone check my comment on bt
[21:22] <ompaul> you need to be a regular in -ot to understand what I am getting at - if you are such a person then please let me know if it is +1 or -1
[21:23] <jussi01> hehe... http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photo/11946
[22:59] <ikonia> mneptok: did you respond to that ?
[22:59] <mneptok> ompaul took care of it
[22:59] <ikonia> I can't see that, there is a gap in my logs between :22 and :26, I don't know why
[22:59] <ompaul> mneptok, :)
[23:00] <mneptok> oy Senor O'M
[23:00] <mneptok> how is the Missus O'M?
[23:01] <ompaul> good


[08:16] <locodir-user> Hi all
[23:48] <Amber_> HI folks,
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, Amber_
[23:49] <Amber_> Very new to the webc chat for ubuntu
[23:49] <Amber_> I would really ike to get involved with a team in Canada and possinble do some outreach work as well.
[23:50] <JoseeAntonioR> Amber_: maybe #ubuntu-ca will suit you


[11:16] <liquidsnakeX_> hi
[11:17] <liquidsnakeX_> i have a question
[13:40] <jmarsden> liquidsnakex: This is a classroom for scheduled classes.  For support, ask in #ubuntu
[13:40] <jmarsden> !classroom
[13:40] <ubot2> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom