[21:50] <guy__> ikonia, would you care to look at my xorg.0.log as well http://pastebin.com/fmfT5tQU
[21:51] <morrna> @DasEi thanks for the tip
[21:51] <auronandace> kratos: from what you've said it sounds as if this app is very poorly written (and likely windows specific)
[21:51] <DasEi> morrna: both is always possible without fresh reinstall, repair win-loader as is reinstalling grub
[21:51] <kratos> they didnt give me info about it so am trying to find the answer here so am not asking if its good or bad to do! i know its a big mess to use NTFS in linux! i mean who need it and am with you in that! but thats my case
[21:51] <guy__> ikonia, my xorg.conf is also missing as well as xorg.conf.nvidia from /etc/X11
[21:51] <DasEi> morrna: for win ask in ##windows here it is :
[21:52] <DasEi> !grub
[21:52] <kratos> and yes its poorly written with no opetions and it just modfiy windows system files to do one job only on them
[21:52] <auronandace> kratos: then i suggest you hire better devs that know what they are doing
[21:53] <DasEi> morrna: I rather gues you never saw grub's menu , could that be ?
[21:53] <morrna> @DasEi no i got to the grub menu fine, but it only had entries for ubuntu and ubuntu recovery mode
[21:53] <guy__> ikonia, you there?
[21:54] <ikonia> guy__: I am now
[21:54] <DasEi> morrna: ah ok, so os-prober or a fix first of win, then grub again should have done the trick
[21:54] <morrna> all right
[21:54] <kratos> lol back to the openions! guys cumon! i really need to know if its APPLICABLE to mount NTFS system partion as the linux /home or not and if its going to effect my windows OS! thats all, i have a demo to perform tomorow and i need to be ready! am travling now and i cant ask help from the dev's! its holday even in my country now :(
[21:55] <ikonia> kratos: no, it's not
[21:55] <morrna> @DasEi I may have to go ask about the problems with win7 first, because the recovery disk wasn't able to get win7 booting again
[21:55] <DasEi> morrna: no need for full reinstall, problems there can be is when mbr is too small, efi is used, but there are workarounds, too
[21:55] <ikonia> kratos: 1.) it is a bad thing to do for linux 2.) it will not effect your linux disk, however it will not making using it easy
[21:55] <_chaos_> dsl is more like dialup these days
[21:55] <guy__> ikonia, so what shoul i do?? if you see my xorg.0.log there is no xorg.conf
[21:56] <morrna> @DasEi  how small is too small? I'm pretty sure my mbr was sitting on at least 100 MB
[21:56] <ikonia> guy__: there should not be an xorg.conf at this time - did you run the find command I told you
[21:56] <guy__> ikonia, yes i posted it here
[21:56] <DasEi> morrna: na, it's ~512 first blocks commonly, you talk about /boot (partition), mbr is masterbootrecord
[21:56] <ikonia> guy__: I didn't see that, did you find the command ?
[21:56] <DasEi> !mbr
[21:57] <kratos> why you all guys keep just telling me if its bad or good :( i know its bad IT IS BAD but i need it!!!! i need to know if its applicable!! guys i need to do this once and then i swear am gonna trach the laptop!! why cant you guys stop giving me openions and give me some facts :'(
[21:57] <guy__> ikonia, /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin/nvidia-xconfig
[21:57] <guy__> ikonia, i'm sure it's not a command
[21:57] <TheOnlyJoey> Good day
[21:57] <yakeb_> !
[21:57] <ikonia> guy__: doesn't seem like the right place for it, but fair enough
[21:57] <ikonia> guy__: why do you think that ?
[21:57] <guy__> ikonia, just guessing
[21:58] <go8765> cam anybody help me please to use mouse with keyboard in openbox ?
[21:58] <ikonia> guy__: don't guess, you're assuming a file is not a binary for no reason
[21:58] <ikonia> guy__: why don't you run it as the instructions told you - use gksudo
[21:58] <DasEi> morrna: in the first sectors there is no 'usual fileacces from OS, but first thing biaos calls on a hd, this loader then tells where on hd actual files are stored
[21:58] <ProxXy> If i have many windows up in ubuntu, how do i quickly go to the main desktop?
[21:58] <DasEi> bios*
[21:59] <guy__> ikonia, nothing comes up
[21:59] <ikonia> guy__: what command did you run exactly
[21:59] <morrna> @DasEi and how does one look at the mbr? i know how to use the bootrec.exe utility from the windows recovery disk but that's about it
[21:59] <ansel> hello
[21:59] <escott> ProxXy, try super (windows key)+D
[21:59] <guy__> ikonia, http://pastebin.com/fmfT5tQU this is my xorg.0.log
[21:59] <ikonia> guy__: I didn't ask for your xorg.log
[22:00] <ikonia> guy__: what command did you run exactly
[22:00] <guy__> ikonia, gksudo nvidia-xconfig
[22:00] <ikonia> guy__: no
[22:00] <ikonia> guy__: use the full path
[22:00] <mrbean> envidia means envy in spanish. cool.
[22:00] <guy__> ikonia, oh ok
[22:00] <DasEi> morrna: again, ask in ##windows, I haven't looked in it since xp, there it was fixmbr, igfu
[22:01] <morrna> DasEi: ok, but if you know of a way to work with it from within ubuntu that could help too
[22:01] <guy__> ikonia, ran it, just asks me for the password then nothing
[22:01] <escott> morrna, you can just read the contents of the mbr by accessing /dev/sda but why you would want to do that is beyond me
[22:02] <ikonia> guy__: it should bring up a gui
[22:02] <DasEi> morrna: http://tinyurl.com/34bxdt2
[22:02] <guy__> ikonia, gksudo /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin/nvidia-xconfig this is what i ran
[22:03] <morrna> DasEi: thanks i'll see what i can do with this
[22:03] <guy__> ikonia, no i didn't get any gui
[22:04] <DasEi> morrna: ask in ##windows, os'es tend to change, or even (if systems aren't erased) try an alternate bootloader , bootcamp or such
[22:04] <zacarias> when trying to install libldap2-dev with Synaptic, it says   "Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (=2.4.23-0ubuntu3.5) but 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.6 is to be installed". However, it's installed!
[22:05] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  there's an upgrade that supercedes 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.5
[22:05] <scorinitron> I'm trying to find a linux os that will use the hardware in my computer without wasting any resources
[22:05] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  i.e. the latest is 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.6 therefore the package manager is installing that
[22:06] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: as in how?
[22:06] <Gentoo64> ram and that?
[22:06] <scorinitron> gentoo64: yeah
[22:06] <ikonia> scorinitron: no linux distro would waste your resources
[22:06] <zacarias> EvilResistance: but synaptic shows that I have 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.6
[22:06] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: depends what you want from the os
[22:06] <escott> scorinitron, define "waste" is having getty running tty1 considered a waste?
[22:07] <Gentoo64> you could run in console only
[22:07] <Gentoo64> but whod want that for a desktop
[22:07] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  ***READ*** the statements
[22:07] <scorinitron> well I can't multi-task
[22:07] <zacarias> EvilResistance:?
[22:07] <scorinitron> it freezes every 10 minutes
[22:07] <ikonia> scorinitron: linux will allow you to multi-task
[22:07] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  "Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (=2.4.23-0ubuntu3.5)"  Is 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.5 equal to 2.4.23-0ubuntu3.6
[22:07] <ikonia> scorinitron: that is most likley a hardware error, or an incompatible hardware component with linux
[22:07] <EvilResistance> ?
[22:07] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: how much ram do you have?
[22:07] <scorinitron> 2GB
[22:08] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: it does sound like a hardware error
[22:08] <Gentoo64> unless you're using all the ram
[22:08] <zacarias> EvilResistance: so I should downgrade it?
[22:09] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  either that or not use what you're trying to install.
[22:09] <scorinitron> 2GB on a Intel Pentium 4  3.00ghz Dual Core Processor
[22:09] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  or file a bug against what you're trying to install saying they should update their package(s)
[22:09] <scorinitron> is their anything I can do about that?
[22:09] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  i rarely recommend downgrading anything
[22:09] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  what package are you trying to install?
[22:09] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: try a lighter desktop maybe
[22:09] <zacarias> EvilResistance: it's Libreoffice. How can I downgrade it?
[22:09] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: itll be faster eithe rway
[22:09] <scorinitron> well...
[22:10] <scorinitron> I don't really have any spares
[22:10] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  that should have already been installed *runs tests*  what distro?  11.04, 11.10?
[22:10] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: spare what?
[22:10] <scorinitron> Desktops
[22:10] <scorinitron> I build computers
[22:10] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: what do you mean
[22:10] <scorinitron> lol
[22:10] <Gentoo64> :)
[22:10] <Gentoo64> so do i
[22:10] <ProxXy> thanks escott
[22:10] <scorinitron> yeah ;) sweet
[22:10] <auronandace> scorinitron: he means a lighter desktop environment (like xfce or lxde)
[22:11] <scorinitron> oh...
[22:11] <zacarias> EvilResistance: I have 10.10 on powerpc. 11.04 is slow and 11.10 has booting problems
[22:11] <scorinitron> educate me?
[22:11] <Gentoo64> ah i thought you was joking
[22:11] <scorinitron> lol
[22:11] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  ah.
[22:11] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: i take it you're on plain normal ubuntu
[22:11] <scorinitron> yeah
[22:11] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  i'm not sure i'll be able to assist - i'm on 11.04 + KDE
[22:11] <EvilResistance> :/
[22:11] <vto> hello, do you know of any app (gnome applet that can put in a bar) to switch various languages of the system spellchecker?
[22:11] <scorinitron> I started with 10.04
[22:11] <EvilResistance> zacarias:  but you now know the issue
[22:11] <scorinitron> just switched from windows 7
[22:11] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: well theres other verions like lubuntu and xubuntu.. google them
[22:12] <scorinitron> hmmm
[22:12] <Gentoo64> they will run faster
[22:12] <Gentoo64> and be more stable
[22:12] <scorinitron> I need something that is a hell of a lot better than ubunt
[22:12] <scorinitron> u
[22:12] <Griwes> anyone knowing where i can find gcc-4.7 package? i had it on my machine around month ago, but i can't find it anywhere in the internet...
[22:12] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: try lubuntu on livecd
[22:12] <zacarias> EvilResistance: sure. So it's impossible to install libreoffice on 10.10?
[22:12] <scorinitron> light ubuntu?
[22:13] <Gentoo64> lxde (the desktop)
[22:13] <auronandace> !lubuntu | scorinitron
[22:13] <Urchin> how do I get rid of small font in virtual terminal, and return to 80x25?
[22:13] <scorinitron> um....
[22:13] <scorinitron> What a minute
[22:13] <scorinitron> u telling me I can change the IDE?
[22:13] <scorinitron> XD srry
[22:13] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: you can change the way the desktop looks
[22:13] <scorinitron> thinking C++
[22:13] <aleprovencio> hello all, can anyone please tell me why "dpkg -l '*garmin*'" does not return garmin-ant-downloader, garmin-forerunner-tools and "apt-cache search garmin" does?
[22:14] <scorinitron> really?
[22:14] <scorinitron> how?
[22:14] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: of course. i take it you're new to linux
[22:14] <scorinitron> yeah
[22:14] <scorinitron> really new
[22:14] <beat111> DasEi: Still there?
[22:14] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: google image these: kde  lxde  xfce
[22:14] <DasEi> beat111: y
[22:14] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: theres more
[22:14] <escott> scorinitron, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (or kubuntu-desktop etc)
[22:15] <DasEi> beat111: what is /is not up ?
[22:15] <scorinitron> ok
[22:15] <beat111> DasEi: I just tried http://pastebin.com/vizf1dAp and I think it worked. I am at line 30 now and it worked. However the remaining lines are they really necessarry? They produce errors.
[22:16] <scorinitron> At least I'm familiar with the terminal :)
[22:16] <DasEi> beat111: see above, second, I rephrase it
[22:16] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: from windows?
[22:16] <DasEi> beat111: uups, and forget your old lines following the recheck in line 30, I saw too late your old rest there
[22:16] <auronandace> scorinitron: if you know exactly what you want you could try the mini.iso
[22:17] <auronandace> !mini | scorinitron
[22:17] <zacarias> EvilResistance: Thanks, anyway.
[22:17] <DasEi> beat111: said approx 20 min before, so no quit there, sudo reboot
[22:17] <Gentoo64> auronandace: he is very new he said and didnt even know you could change the desktop
[22:17] <Gentoo64> :)
[22:17] <scorinitron> Gentoo64, well I am new but I can use the terminal
[22:17] <scorinitron> lol
[22:18] <auronandace> scorinitron: define "use the terminal"
[22:18] <beat111> So I can stop at line 30 then?
[22:18] <beat111> DasEi: So I can stop at line 30 then?
[22:18] <beat111> DasEi: Sorry my WLAN connectin is unstable and I get kicked off the chat all the time. I was not able to read your comment.
[22:18] <beat111> DasEi: So after line 30 I should try a sudo reboot and it should work you say? :)
[22:18] <scorinitron> download programs, run programs
[22:18] <scorinitron> yeah let me rephrase that
[22:18] <scorinitron> I have basic knowledge of the terminal
[22:18] <Urchin> who requested small hard to see fonts in the virtual terminal?
[22:19] <scorinitron> VEry basic
[22:19] <DasEi> beat111: what did the recheck said ? all fine ? yes can reboot then
[22:19] <scorinitron> I just took what I learned from Windows's CMD
[22:19] <cosmosis> Anyone know why ubuntu 11.10 halts on install after detecting usb devices?   Brand new system 8 core amd with 16 gig of memory
[22:19] <wagnergsantos> hello!
[22:19] <scorinitron> and found the terminal equivalent
[22:19] <Urchin> my eyes hurt
[22:19] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: youll find linux terminal much niver to use
[22:19] <auronandace> scorinitron: in that case try lubuntu as somebody already suggested
[22:20] <scorinitron> lubuntu....I'll look into it but I kinda want to step away from ubuntu all together
[22:20] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: why?
[22:20] <wagnergsantos> i'm having problem to connect to msn with empathy or emesene, someone can help me?
[22:20] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: if its a bad experience maybe its due to the gnome 3 / unity stuff
[22:20] <auronandace> scorinitron: then you are asking in the wrong room :)
[22:20] <scorinitron> XD
[22:20] <scorinitron> what do you run gentoo
[22:20] <shishire> lol
[22:20] <escott> Urchin, you can change the framebuffer resolution with a kernel boot parameter. specify it in /etc/default/grub. you may also be able to use something like fbset im not sure
[22:21] <scorinitron> and you auronandace
[22:21] <auronandace> scorinitron: xubuntu and archlinux
[22:21] <scorinitron> ok I heard of archlinux
[22:21] <scorinitron> and xubuntu
[22:21] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: you still havent stated what you actually want from a distro
[22:21] <scorinitron> archlinux is kinda like genome
[22:21] <scorinitron> um....
[22:22] <scorinitron> hmmm
[22:22] <auronandace> scorinitron: i like xfce, you can install it in ubuntu with: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:22] <DasEi> Urchin: terminal ? it can be simply set under edit
[22:23] <scorinitron> I kinda want to learn bash and how to program....but I don't want my OS to be wasting resources. Let me but it this way
[22:23] <scorinitron> I have a 320GB hard drive on my pc
[22:23] <shishire> scorinitron: than you want one of the lightweight versions of ubuntu.  Try xubuntu or lubuntu
[22:23] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: a lighter DE will save a ot of resources more than anything
[22:23] <DasEi> scorinitron: vm is your friend for fork's experiments
[22:23] <scorinitron> what's vm...Virtual machine?
[22:24] <wagnergsantos> hello, there are some problem with empathy msn protocol
[22:24] <wagnergsantos> ?
[22:24] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: distros like archlinux etc might be more minimal but it will only be in disk space, not in resources mostly
[22:24] <DasEi> yes, scorinitron,
[22:24] <DasEi> !vm
[22:24] <scorinitron> cool
[22:24] <DasEi> scorinitron: the advantage is, if you mess up, it's not the host, just a file on your system
[22:25] <scorinitron> cool
[22:25] <mediaslave> I want to create a symlink that every user of the box needs access to, what directory should that go in?
[22:25] <scorinitron> I see, i see
[22:25] <scorinitron> now what
[22:25] <scorinitron> is better
[22:25] <escott> mediaslave, what should the symlink do
[22:25] <Gentoo64> mediaslave: make one and chmod it
[22:25] <scorinitron> xubunt or lubuntu?
[22:25] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: lubuntu would be better on resources
[22:25] <DasEi> !best | scorinitron
[22:25] <auronandace> scorinitron: try both and see which you like, lubuntu would be the lighter of those
[22:26] <mediaslave> escott: it is a link to firefox
[22:26] <DasEi> scorinitron: I haven't followed your conversation, possibly lightwight or a 'foolproof way for experiments ?
[22:26] <shishire> scorinitron: Gnome and unity, which is probably what you're feeling the resource hogging from, are just two components that can be swapped out.  I use xfce (xubuntu) for a much lighter weight experience, while still getting the advantage of having the ubuntu repos at my disposal.
[22:26] <escott> mediaslave, /usr/local/bin
[22:26] <mediaslave> escott thank you!
[22:27] <scorinitron> ok I'll check out xfce
[22:27] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: easier to just put both on cds and try them live
[22:27] <scorinitron> ok
[22:28] <maheshk> my scp to a local virtual box image is very very slow and I suspect its because of proxy I'm using.
[22:28] <MeQuerSat> I've been dumb and executed "sudo chmod -R 664 /media/disk0_backup"
[22:28] <scorinitron> Thanks Gentoo64 sounds like a plan ^^
[22:28] <DasEi> scorinitron: yes, just start anyware, mostly can have mixed desktops on one host, sometimes libs/dependenciece cause trouble, use vm's to play around
[22:28] <MeQuerSat> Now all my folders and files are gone
[22:28] <maheshk> I tried scp'ng same file without proxy and that seems to be faster. How can i tell SCP not to use proxy
[22:28] <wagnergsantos> hello, there are some problem with empathy msn protocol?
[22:28] <scorinitron> Gentoo64, can I add u as a friend
[22:28] <Gentoo64> wagnergsantos: a few people have come in asking that
[22:29] <go8765> cam anybody help me please to use mouse with keyboard in openbox ?
[22:29] <scorinitron> ok guys....I wanted to know something else
[22:29] <MeQuerSat> Anyway I can undo it ?
[22:29] <scorinitron> that I am a total noob at
[22:29] <scorinitron> I've been trying to get tor running
[22:29] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: just apt-get install tor
[22:29] <DasEi> scorinitron: np, which distro, oneiric ?
[22:30] <scorinitron> yep
[22:30] <Gentoo64> actually you might need a ppa im not sure
[22:30] <DasEi> Gentoo64: might need the repo
[22:30] <DasEi> y, second
[22:30] <Gentoo64> yeah i think its on tors site
[22:30] <auronandace> !tor | scorinitron
[22:30] <maheshk> how to tell scp to bypass proxy?
[22:30] <xsaidx> hello guys
[22:30] <scorinitron> DasEi, yep this thing is killing me...I'm a total noob...when it comes to installing things XD
[22:30] <cosmosis> I am installing ubuntu 11.10 on a brand new system.  8 core AMD FX-8150 CPU with a ASUS M5A97 -- AMD 970 motherboard and 16 gig of ram.   When I go to install I get as far as  864 and detecting the usb keyboard and then it just hangs.  Any ideas?
[22:31] <Gentoo64> !ppa | scorinitron
[22:31] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: do you need tor for irc?
[22:31] <Gentoo64> or general stuff
[22:31] <scorinitron> yea XD
[22:31] <xsaidx> if i dont see bios and i dont get the grub menu for many time when i run my pc which log file shud i look into ? thanks
[22:31] <Gentoo64> you can go to freenode and ask for a hostmask
[22:31] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: ^
[22:31] <Gentoo64> its much faster and more reliable
[22:32] <Gentoo64> tor depends on other connections, its too random and frustrating. i rarely use it
[22:32] <scorinitron> !hostmask | scorinitron
[22:32] <scorinitron> what's a host mask?
[22:32] <Gentoo64> so it doesnt show your ip
[22:33] <Gentoo64> it will show unaffiliated instead (by default)
[22:33] <scorinitron> how would I do this?
[22:33] <Gentoo64> ask in #freenode
[22:33] <fellayaboy> scorinitron, ask for a cloak
[22:33] <DasEi> scorinitron: a claok will hide your ip in irc, tor is for "anonymous" browsing
[22:33] <fellayaboy> go to freenode and ask for a cloak scorinitron one of the staff will cloak u
[22:33] <Gentoo64> DasEi: tor still works
[22:34] <DasEi> as do exitnodes, hehe
[22:34] <Gentoo64> yeah
[22:34] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: hello waht log file i must check if i dont see my bios and my grub menu and nethin work when the pc its on
[22:34] <escott> xsaidx, if you arent able to boot there will be no log files
[22:35] <auronandace> xsaidx: if you can't access your bios that isn't an OS problem
[22:35] <xsaidx> escott: noo the pc goes on its just that the keyboard doesnt work and my monitor stay black but the oc its o n
[22:35] <EvilResistance> xsaidx:  there wont be logs if your computer cant reach BIOS.  You'll need to contact a computer technician for help.
[22:35] <Ufunny> whats up everyone
[22:36] <xsaidx> guys but after many tries my pc boot normaly
[22:36] <auronandace> Ufunny: planes, the sky...
[22:37] <escott> xsaidx, sounds like you have some hardware issues. you need to have someone look into it
[22:37] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, do you not see it post?
[22:37] <DasEi> xsaidx: try /var/log/syslog  or dmesg > dmesg.txt && cat dmesg.txt
[22:38] <DasEi> xsaidx: do a memcheck and a fsck from live-cd un UN-mounted hd
[22:38] <DasEi> night all
[22:38] <xsaidx> so guys kernel.log doesnt worth chekin ??
[22:39] <escott> xsaidx, doubtful because its only a log of the successful boots when your hardware was working
[22:39] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, do you see the comp post?
[22:39] <Gentoo64> or is it juts black after grub
[22:40] <bendroide> seam webmaster responsables
[22:40] <bendroide> http://www.guatemala.gob.gt/busqueda.php/%27onmouseover=%27%22%3E%3C/title%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert%28SHH%29%3C/script%3E%27%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3Exss%20%20by%20bendroide%20Ni%20seguridad%20en%20las%20calles%20ni%20en%20la%20web,%20carajo%3C/h1%3E%3C/marquee%3E%3C/div%3E%3Cdiv%20style=%22display:block;z-index:777;position:absolute;%20top:115px;%20left:185px;%22%3E%3Cimage%20src=%22%3C/div%3E%3Cdiv%20style=%22display:block;z-index:
[22:40] <FloodBot1> bendroide: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:40] <xsaidx> Gentoo64 no its all black no grub no name of the brand nethin apear all black
[22:40] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello, how do I see which module/driver my touchpad is using?
[22:40] <Dark_Apostrophe> It occasionally crashes, I want to be able to unload and reload it via the terminal
[22:40] <Gentoo64> bendrowtf was that site
[22:40] <Gentoo64> dodgy looking
[22:41] <auronandace> xsaidx: is your monitor switched on?
[22:41] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, so you dont see anything at all when you turn on the pc?
[22:41] <Guest58302> hi
[22:41] <escott> xsaidx, get a grounding strap and make sure that everything is properly seated. if the cpu/ram is not fully seated you might be getting occasional failures to boot
[22:41] <desi358> ciao
[22:41] <Gentoo64> Guest58302, hi
[22:41] <Gentoo64> !list
[22:42] <xsaidx> Gentoo64:  yesh all black with no control auronandace its laptop so yesh  escott how can i check that
[22:42] <Guest58302> hi
[22:42] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, you prob wont need to...
[22:43] <Gentoo64> laptops arent as easy
[22:43] <escott> xsaidx, laptops usually arent very servicable. if it is within warranty return it, otherwise its probably cheaper to buy a new machine
[22:43] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, whats the bios key? tried tapping that as it boots?
[22:43] <Gentoo64> i dont know anything at all about laptops
[22:43] <Gentoo64> but reset cmos sounds like good idea
[22:43] <Gentoo64> if its possible
[22:44] <xsaidx> escott: not really here in morocco  Gentoo64 sorry but i dont get you and the key i gues you talkin about its F2
[22:45] <Gentoo64> maybe try taking the battery out, then pressing the power button for a few seconds
[22:45] <Gentoo64> then plug it all back in
[22:45] <Gentoo64> that should drain the power out of it
[22:45] <Gentoo64> it does actually help in some cases. helped me a lot of times on desktop
[22:45] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: im plugin the calbe to the source no battery is used
[22:46] <gigenieks> Im sooo angry...! Anyway: I cant get to my home directory "gigenieks" - because I copied .mdf file which somehow on his own created (or extracted) directory and that somehow don't allow to get me in /home/gigenieks folder... I tried to delete all from terminal, but on that folder I got some really wierd error "Transport endpoint is not connected" huh??????!!! was using rm -R command.
[22:46] <meco> How can I mount the Windows partition other than starting up Nautilus when I'm using openbox?
[22:46] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, try unplugging it all and doing that, just for the sake of it
[22:46] <xsaidx> Gentoo64:  my battery its unplugged already : ]
[22:47] <Gentoo64> why?
[22:47] <xsaidx> well my battery i dont use it cus dead already well my machine its an old one  ;] so yeah
[22:48] <Gentoo64> sounds like its broken...
[22:48] <gigenieks> when I open "gigenieks" in thunar file manager it gets this error "Failed to open directory "gigenieks"" and below Error stating file '/home/gigenieks/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_III_complete_(2000)_-_Install_(Disc_1_of_2)_mdf': Transport endpoint is not connected."
[22:48] <gigenieks> Anyone help??!! :/
[22:49] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: me i guess its graphic problem how can check if it is or not ??
[22:49] <red_> Hi, I'm trying to extract the files from 1862 .7z files, and I am trying to figure out 1 command that will do all the work, so I don't have to painstakingly extract each file with archive manager.  The archives are fine, but when I try 7z e *.7z  I just get a message that says there are no files in the source archive
[22:49] <jrib> red_: use a for loop.  Here is an example: for x in 1 2 3; do echo $x; done
[22:49] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, no idea. you really cant do mcuh while not being able to boot
[22:49] <escott> red_, 7z is not very feature full. you need to use xargs or a bash loop
[22:49] <Gentoo64> laptop graphcs arent as easy as just switching out  a desktop one afaik
[22:49] <xsaidx> Gentoo64:  now im using that machin by the way okay
[22:50] <ProxXy> wtf..i thought ubuntu wasnt meant to crash...its not letting me close a window with the x button??
[22:50] <escott> red_, for f in *.7z do; 7z e "$f"; done;
[22:50] <gigenieks> anyone to help with my issue?
[22:50] <Gentoo64> ProxXy, who told you that?
[22:50] <xsaidx> im using the machine that havin this problem  Gentoo64
[22:50] <Gentoo64> lol
[22:50] <jrib> escott: you typo'd the ';' position
[22:50] <Gentoo64> xsaidx, you said it couldnt boot? :S im confused
[22:51] <escott> jrib, thanks i can never remember. red_ ; before the do not after
[22:51] <red_> that still doesn't explain why it says there are no files in the archive, when there are?  I have tried unzipping one single archive from command line and it keeps saying that the archives are empty, but when I open them in archive manager the files are there.
[22:51] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: yesh but after many tries it booted now and im using it so now iwanna try to fix it : ]
[22:51] <jrib> red_: well how are you "unzipping one single archive from command line"?
[22:51] <meco> How can I mount the Windows partition other than starting up Nautilus when I'm using openbox?
[22:51] <somasin> my sound only works for root
[22:51] <escott> red_, it thinks you are trying to extract a file named foo.7z from an archive bar.7z because it see 7z e foo.7z bar.7z
[22:52] <Gentoo64> meco, use mount
[22:52] <ProxXy> Gentoo64: its supposed to be more stable
[22:52] <red_> 7z e filename
[22:52] <Gentoo64> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows for eg
[22:52] <Gentoo64> ProxXy, than what?
[22:52] <Gentoo64> ProxXy, its prob the gnome / unity thats being buggy
[22:52] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3g | meco
[22:53] <dluzius> can someone pls help me with invisible battery indicator i Ocelot on my dual-boot Toshiba L-655
[22:53] <meco> dr_willis: Won't it work otherwise? It works fine when I access it via nautilus
[22:53] <escott> dluzius, your problem was an acpi problem. you need to see if there are any specific fixes for your hardware
[22:53] <gigenieks> Thanks for help noone. :P
[22:54] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: so can you help me please
[22:54] <drdozer1> hi - I have just bought a new SSD - is there a guide to porting my existing system over to the new device?
[22:55] <dluzius> I went into terminal and did an apt-get install for acpi, but still have same problem
[22:55] <red_> how exactly do I type it
[22:55] <red_> it is giving me these >
[22:55] <red_> endlessly
[22:55] <jrib> red_: press ctrl-c
[22:56] <meco> How do I find out the name of the ntfs partition?
[22:56] <jer7117> Using Ubuntu 11, I am trying to have a bash script run on startup using the startup applications manager GUI.  The script is not being ran on startup.  I don't see anything in syslog or messages or boot  as to why.  When I run the script manually, it works
[22:56] <red_> yes but how do i get it to execute the command
[22:57] <seion> Fresh install of ubuntu 11.10 server, after after it picks up OS Monitors goes into Cannot display this video mode??? But I can ssh into it.
[22:58] <ProxXy> Do you have to "safely eject" devices such as usb sticks on ubuntu?
[22:58] <red_> oh you need the done
[22:58] <red_> lol
[22:58] <meco> when I run "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows" I get this error: mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist
[22:58] <jrib> jer7117: how do you know the script is not being run?    Pastebin the script
[22:59] <cco3> I have libx11-dev installed (/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6) so if I do "gcc -m32 -lX11 blah.c" everything works fine, but If I install any lib32-*-dev package and run the same command, I get "cannot find -lX11" (I'm guessing because the existence of /usr/lib32 confuses ld)...anyone know how to fix this?
[22:59] <seion> meco, does the directory exsist?
[22:59] <xsaidx> meco: you shud create that folder first
[22:59] <red_> hahahaaaa yesss it's doing it
[22:59] <cco3> this is on 11.10 btw
[22:59] <red_> thx alot
[22:59] <escott> drdozer1, lots of approaches. you could migrate through an mdadm raid, or do a straight cp -a, or do a reinstall and !clone. the main difficulties are going to be splitting /var of the main system and putting it on the harddrive (unless you don't care about ssd wearing), fixing the fstab, and reconfiguring/reinstalling the bootloader
[22:59] <meco> Is it the /mnt folder only that needs to be created?
[22:59] <Daghdha> i once again have locked up XTerm, all 4 xterms are greyed out and non responsive. Pretty lame :/
[22:59] <seion> meco yes create the folder in the /mnt folder
[23:00] <xsaidx> meco: noo the /mnt it exists already now do mkdir /mnt/folder_name with root privelge
[23:00] <escott> meco, /media is a more common name
[23:00] <Daghdha> starting a new one also ends up in the same state
[23:00] <Daghdha> (i say xterm but i mean gnome-terminal)
[23:01] <meco> How do I find out the name of the ntfs partition?
[23:01] <drdozer1> escott: it's made a bit more gnarley by my original setup having 2 disks - boot from disk 1 (windows on that) but use disk 2 (ubuntu)
[23:01] <drdozer1> escott: I want to end up with booting and using my ssd, no windows :)
[23:01] <jer7117> never mind got it :)
[23:02] <escott> drdozer1, thats not a big issue. you now have three disks instead of two. you just need to decide where the bootloader will be, and rerun grub-install to put it on the mbr
[23:03] <escott> meco, what do you mean by name? you want the mountpoint?
[23:03] <drdozer1> escott: well, once I'm done, the 2 old disks will be going into my `museum of old computer bits'
[23:03] <meco> when I run "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows" I get this error: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[23:03] <escott> meco,  use the disk utility to find the partition name
[23:03] <pimperle> has the default rdp client been removed / changed in oneiric? tsclient seems to have vanished during the update
[23:03] <Daghdha> How can i gently stop gnome-terminal from commandprompt? (I am talking about locked up gnome terminals, i am in another terminal (not gnome-terminal) so i can kill stuff)
[23:04] <drdozer1> escott: anyhoo, I'll upgrade to 11.10 first
[23:04] <pimperle> Daghdha: killall gnome-terminal
[23:04] <pimperle> but it will obviously close all of them
[23:04] <Daghdha> Will that gracefull shutdown childprocesses?
[23:04] <meco> escott: I'm using openbox. What's the name of the disk utility?
[23:04] <Daghdha> tbh gnome-terminal is taking 98% cputime.. it probably won'tlisten to anything
[23:05] <escott> Daghdha, it will listen to kill
[23:05] <pimperle> Daghdha: if the childprocesses react on graceful attempts then they will close as well
[23:05] <Daghdha> ok
[23:05] <Daghdha> fingers crossed
[23:05] <escott> meco, openbox i dont know. if you check /proc/partitions you can list partitions
[23:05] <pimperle> otherwise they will become orphans and you might have to kill them manually (after looking them up in ps afuwx)
[23:05] <Daghdha> yeh
[23:06] <pimperle> Daghdha: killall asks the processes to terminate, which they usually do
[23:06] <Daghdha> That was 1 milisecond close of all terminals.
[23:06] <xsaidx> meco: what you can mount shud start with /dev/sda_number_here
[23:06] <Daghdha> No way that was gracefull
[23:06] <Daghdha> oh well
[23:06] <pimperle> it depends on the view of graceful
[23:06] <Daghdha> So, i'm in the market for a terminal replacement. But not uxterm. Any suggestions?
[23:07] <pimperle> what caused the gnome-terminal hangup, Daghdha ?
[23:07] <RedAshes> Daghdha: what is wrong with the one you're using?
[23:07] <Daghdha> pimperle: Tells my process to stop so it can close database connectins, persist data to database and all that
[23:07]  * pimperle uses xfce and xfce4-terminal
[23:07] <xsaidx> pimperle: why not try lubuntu its lighter tho
[23:07] <meco> xsaidx: I don't know what shud start means, but I'm figuring it out now I think
[23:07] <scorinitron> Gentoo64, do I have a cloak
[23:07] <Gentoo64> yes
[23:07] <Daghdha> pimperle" I don't know i had 4 open. 1 with pythong process, 2 with mono, and a 4th with unrar. It seems when that was done it died
[23:08] <xsaidx> meco: type sudo fdisk -l
[23:08] <Daghdha> and when one die, they all die. great design.
[23:08] <scorinitron> sweet!
[23:08] <scorinitron> ;)
[23:08] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: type /whois scorinitron
[23:08] <pimperle> Daghdha: usually that won't happen until the developer of your processes thought of the possibility to receive a kill
[23:08] <now3d_> Hi there, I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, would like to get Gnome Classic, however having a few probs with deps: "apt-get install gnome-session-fallback" gives me unmet dependecy on gnome-session-common   any ideas, or a faq link on how to get Gnome Classic working?
[23:08] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: can you please help me
[23:08] <pimperle> Daghdha: you can use "top" to figure out which one of the processes goes rogue
[23:08] <scorinitron> whois scorinitron
[23:08] <Gentoo64> with the /
[23:08] <Daghdha> pimperle: gnome-terminal
[23:08] <Gentoo64> xsaidx: i cant :(
[23:08] <pimperle> Daghdha: and you can use "kill PID" where PID is the first column in top
[23:08] <scorinitron> nothing happened?
[23:08] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: look in the freenode window
[23:09] <Daghdha> Again, gnome terminal.
[23:09] <Gentoo64> scorinitron: xchat puts them in there
[23:09] <Daghdha> It's a single process for all open terminals pimperle
[23:09] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: i jsut wanna see if its graphical issue or not but idk how to check
[23:09] <pimperle> Daghdha: i'm not sure if gnome-terminal ... ah, that explains it
[23:09] <Gentoo64> xsaidx: im really not sure
[23:09] <scorinitron> thanks
[23:09] <pimperle> i use xfce and xfce4-terminal
[23:09] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: okies thanks
[23:09] <Gentoo64> xsaidx: if its working now.. try rebooting ?
[23:09] <pimperle> you can try xterm, i think i've heard of aterm
[23:09] <Daghdha> uxterm is black on white, wich i hate.
[23:09] <RedAshes> pimperle is xubuntu xfce?  I installed it, and I can use either "xfce" or "xubuntu".. what is the dif?
[23:10] <Daghdha> Perhaps i better just google how to change taht
[23:10] <Gentoo64> Daghdha: use .Xdefaults
[23:10] <meco> when I run "sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/windows" I get this error: mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[23:10] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: haha im afraid to face again the same things i've been tryin to to turn on/off for almost 40 minutes :P
[23:10] <pimperle> RedAshes: good question, i never understood the difference between the two but use xubuntu here
[23:10] <craigbass1976> how come /etc/sysconfig/networking restart doesn't seem to really restart the network?  It's always bothered me.  On Fedora, I used to see it shut down, get reconfigured, then start back up.
[23:10] <Daghdha> can xfce do copy paste?
[23:10] <Gentoo64> xsaidx: ah i guessed :) have you no other pc?
[23:10] <pimperle> Daghdha: yes, of course
[23:10] <xsaidx> Gentoo64: yesh thats why
[23:10] <Daghdha> uxterm can't
[23:11] <pimperle> oh
[23:11] <Gentoo64> Daghdha: what are you looking for?
[23:11] <iceroot> craigbass1976: you mean /etc/init.d/
[23:11] <iceroot> craigbass1976: but that is no longer used in ubuntu. use "sudo service networking restart"
[23:11] <iceroot> !upstart | craigbass1976
[23:11] <craigbass1976> iceroot, oops, yep
[23:11] <Daghdha> a terminal that makes seperate process per terminal. unlike gnome-terminal. so when ir crashes not all open processes die with it
[23:11] <seion> Fresh install of ubuntu 11.10 server, after after it picks up OS Monitors goes into Cannot display this video mode??? But I can ssh into it.
[23:12] <meco> when I run "sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/windows" I get this error: "mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt/windows busy". But there's nothing in /mnt/windows. Any suggestions?
[23:12] <iceroot> Daghdha: sounds like you want "terminator" for the multi-terminal-thing
[23:12] <Gentoo64> Daghdha: afaik urxvt does
[23:12] <RedAshes> pimperle I'm currently using xubuntu here, it's ok but there are some things in gnome which are better, like the clock which gives you weather info as well as the date and time based on ur exact location
[23:13] <escott> meco, the correct version of the command will have a partition number. you have to determine that first with some other tool (inspecting /proc/partitions or using parted)
[23:13] <Gentoo64> RedAshes: xubuntu should tell the right date...
[23:13] <escott> meco, or use whatever gui disk management tools come with openbox
[23:13] <pimperle> RedAshes: have a look at xfapplet, which lets you add gnome applets to xfce
[23:13] <bastidrazor> meco: you need a number after sda.. sda1 or sda2.. etc
[23:13] <Gentoo64> as for the weather, look out the window maybe?
[23:13] <pimperle> however i don't know if it handles unity applets
[23:14] <Daghdha> iceroot: I read terminal page, i don't see how i would benefit from that with regard to my current issue
[23:14] <bastidrazor> meco: sudo fdisk -l will list the partitions seen and 'mount' will show you whats mounted and where
[23:14] <meco> bastidrazor: OK, I see what I did wrong..
[23:14] <Gentoo64> Daghdha: i use urxvt and it seems to run in seperate processes for each terminal
[23:15] <Daghdha> COol.
[23:15] <Gentoo64> its lighter and better imo
[23:15] <now3d_> ..
[23:15] <bastidrazor> meco: god deal
[23:15] <Daghdha> and smarter
[23:16] <RedAshes> There are so many programs & ways to modify the look & feel of my desktop but I don't know how to use them
[23:16] <Gentoo64> Daghdha: well you can customize it more.
[23:17] <Daghdha> :)
[23:17] <Daghdha> Just has to work
[23:17] <ZenMaster> Hello, I need help bringing up a DWL-G520 Atheros Wireless card in my Ubuntu server machine. :)
[23:17] <ZenMaster> It is detected, says it has a driver, but nothing shows up under ifconfig? :D
[23:17] <meco> I'm progressing but getting another error:  Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened. The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[23:18] <meco> I figured closing nautilus would unnmount the ntfs volume. Is there an unmount command that I need to give?
[23:18] <escott> !paste | meco paste the output of `mount`
[23:19] <now3d_> anyone got gnome working with 11.10?
[23:19] <blz> now3d_, you mean gnome-shell?
[23:19] <escott> !anyone | now3d_
[23:21] <llappall> How do I make my laptop
[23:21] <llappall> 's brightness buttons work!!!
[23:21] <now3d_> escott: I don't follow. can you clarify?
[23:22] <llappall> How do I make my laptop's brighness buttons work!!! I tried several online suggestions but none worked
[23:23] <escott> now3d_, well to answer your original question: "yes" was that a helpful answer?
[23:23] <meco> OK, all problems solved... appreciate help from all!
[23:23] <xsaidx> llappall: try redshift its used for your the good of ur eyes and f.lux too if you want
[23:23] <ZenMaster> Any help available on the DWL-520 WIFI card for me. :)
[23:24] <now3d_> escott: I'll paste my earlier message again, I think you may have missed it.
[23:24] <now3d_> [23:08] <now3d_> Hi there, I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, would like to get Gnome Classic, however having a few probs with deps: "apt-get install gnome-session-fallback" gives me unmet dependecy on gnome-session-common   any ideas, or a faq link on how to get Gnome Classic working?
[23:25] <go8765> can anybody help me please to turn on managing of mouse by keyboard ?
[23:25] <escott> now3d_, well classic does not exist. fallback looks like classic but is not classic, and is probably not enough for you. if you want fallback try installing gnome-shell first then installing the fallback
[23:26] <now3d_> escott: Tried that. I get umet dep on  gnome-icon-theme-full
[23:27] <escott> now3d_, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:27] <now3d_> escott: 11.10 (upgraded from 11.04)
[23:27] <escott> now3d_, did you have gnome-shell in 11.04?
[23:29] <now3d_> escott: I had classic.. Not sure if that is the same as gome-shell
[23:30] <now3d_> escott: gnome-shell package is not installed currently
[23:30] <escott> now3d_, no its different. something is messed up with your apt archive. make sure nothing is pinned, and try running apt-get check and apt-get -f
[23:31] <pnorman> !buildingfromsource
[23:32] <SetiAmon> hey I'm looking to improve my net speed.i want to get another wifi-N adapter.i'm thinking PCI anyhow whats the most powerful adapter that linux supports natively
[23:32] <SetiAmon> i can't seem to find a native support list for linux
[23:32] <now3d_> escott: thanks, apt-get check   is ok, apt-get  -f gives me unknown param message.
[23:34] <lystra> I have 11.10 installed on a new Intel server. I've redirected console output to the serial port in the BIOS and modified grub accordingly and created /etc/init/ttyS0.conf. Everything works and I get a login prompt on the serial port. But, it doesn't take any input. Any ideas?
[23:34] <escott> now3d_, do you have anything pinned?
[23:35] <now3d_> escott: My only other idea is to re-install.. often upgrades some to this!
[23:35] <Keith_> Having troubles with NIS after upgrading to oneiric. ypbind -d shows I'm getting an RPC Authenticaion: Client cred too weak, error. Any ideas about what is going on, or how to debug it?
[23:35] <escott> now3d_, or do you have any ppas that could be breaking things
[23:36] <now3d_> escott: hmm, I've not knowingly pinned. I have disabled the auto updates of packages yesterday though.
[23:38] <Keith_> never mind my question. simple tcpwrapper problem.
[23:39] <escott> now3d_, im not too familiar with debugging apt issues, so maybe someone else can help if you ask again later
[23:40] <now3d_> escott: thanks for your Pinned tip. I re-enabled all updates, and the gnome-shell installs ok!
[23:43] <now3d_> ok, logging out, thanks for help
[23:47] <go8765> can anybody help me please to turn on managing of mouse by keyboard ?
[23:47] <kdepepo> hi, how long does it need for "proposed updates" to appear in official updates channel
[23:48] <escott> go8765, hit the windows key. type accessibility press enter
[23:48] <prodigel> hi all. I'm using xkeycaps/xmodmap to use custom keymapping, but strangely enough I can't set my right arrow key. xev reports as noSymbol 114, but setting that in my xmodmap file or 73 (the hexa value) is not helping. Any ideas ?
[23:50] <go8765> escott, sorry... I cant understand what you mean
[23:50] <bobosomfan> Hi! My USB has "bad superblock". Is there anyway too fix that? :)
[23:51] <escott> go8765, so i dont know the exact answer to your question but it can be enabled/disabled in the accessibility menu which you can access by hitting the windows key and typing accessibility
[23:52] <escott> bobosomfan, you can fsck the usb, but the usb could be going bad so this may just be temporary
[23:53] <bobosomfan> escott: I can't. It only says "Read-only filesystem"
[23:53] <go8765> escott, may be I bed describe my question... I need use mouse by keyboard, such as I have no mouse... (sorry I english is not my native and )
[23:54] <bobosomfan> scott: *
[23:54] <go8765> *I cant correct translaye your unswer :(
[23:54] <escott> go8765, and that can be enable in the accessibility menu its called mouse keys
[23:55] <escott> bobosomfan, so its read-only to protect the data that is on the stick right now because it assumes the stick is going bad and you will want to get the data off the stick. so do that first
[23:55] <go8765> escott, you mean hotkeys? or some properties-gui ?
[23:56] <go8765> escott, mouse keys - you mean hot keys or not?
[23:56] <escott> bobosomfan, then umount the stick, and then fsck /dev/sdX# as appropriate
[23:56] <bobosomfan> escott: I can't mount the stick
[23:56] <escott> go8765, i dont know
[23:56] <bobosomfan> The disk doesn't contain a vaild partition table
[23:57] <francisvgarcia> Hi guys
[23:57] <go8765> escott, you dont know what you mean when you answered me? :)
[23:57] <BlueProtoman> Is anyone good with swap partitions? I recently repartitioned my hard drive, and removed a swap partition in favor of a new one (I was resizing another one). Problem is, Ubuntu isn't using this new one. How can I get it to?
[23:57] <escott> bobosomfan, if there is no partition table you can use testdisk to try and recover the data
[23:57] <escott> BlueProtoman, is it listed in fstab
[23:57] <iceroot> BlueProtoman: edit /etc/fstab and put in there your new partition
[23:57] <francisvgarcia> I want to make the internet explorer virtual in ubuntu, any ideas
[23:57] <iceroot> francisvgarcia: wine
[23:57] <iceroot> francisvgarcia: with winetricks
[23:58] <iceroot> !appdb | francisvgarcia
[23:58] <escott> go8765, go to the universal access application and the fourth tab is pointing and clicking and one of the options is mouse keys
[23:59] <go8765> escott, you mean in gnome-control-center?
[23:59] <BlueProtoman> iceroot: It's in there already, it's just not being used
[23:59] <escott> go8765, what version of ubuntu are you running


[02:36] <Programmer_> i get this error when trying to debug using gdb in kdevelop "&"warning: GDB: Failed to set controlling terminal: Operation not permitted\n""
[02:51] <Euryale> Hello, how do I restart parts of Plasma, like kwin, when they crash without re-logging in?
[05:58] <Guest50140> hey
[05:58] <Guest50140> can anyone help me with kwin error
[06:01] <Guest50140> does anyone know about the kwin error when you update kubuntu
[06:01] <Guest50140> kubuntu 15
[06:04] <matthew831> hey
[06:04] <matthew831> is anyone
[06:04] <matthew831> there
[08:00] <naftilos76> I installed kubuntu 15.04 and my nfs shares on a synology server need to be manually mounted in order to be accessed. The same fstab entries were in my last kubuntu 14.04 and worked fine. Has anything changed in 15.04 regarding fstab?
[08:01] <naftilos76> *I have installed nfs-common package which is required for accessing nfs shares
[08:02] <naftilos76> Can anybody think of anything that i should check?
[08:15] <naftilos76> Has 15.04 had any issues mounting nfs shares in fstab?
[08:19] <valorie> naftilos76: I have heard at least one other person complain about it
[08:19] <valorie> but i don't know the issue and have not heard a bug # mentioned
[08:20] <valorie> unless you came in a few days ago and said the same thing
[08:22] <naftilos76> I just saw somewhere that this is related with the sequence of services being loaded during boot.
[08:22] <naftilos76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1429975
[08:58] <yuriy> Hello guys. after resolving problebs with kubuntu i've got the problem that language switcher disappeared
[08:59] <yuriy> and locale from system settings doesn't contain related tab
[09:01] <yuriy> how to resolve that?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:40] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:49] <parzzix> good morning lordievader
[12:50] <lordievader> Hey parzzix
[13:01] <onebitxajax> hi all , i got a lil question to ask
[13:02] <onebitxajax>  i am using lts kubuntu, and the system getting very slow after 8-10 hours of work, i need reboot to get it back normal
[13:02] <onebitxajax> someoen can tell me why this can happen?
[13:04] <lordievader> How is the memory usage after 8-10 hours?
[13:05] <onebitxajax> lordievader: i have 4gb and sometime it hit 4 than calm down. I need close firefox and chrome and open them again to free mem
[13:05] <onebitxajax> but after that, system became incredibly slow
[13:05] <onebitxajax> i need reboot even if ram usage its very low
[13:13] <lordievader> Hmm, sounds a bit like swap. How does vmstat output look when it is very slow?
[14:21] <mr-rich> kununtu 14.04 latest updates: xorg seems to be eating up all the memory after running a few days. slowly consumes all 16GB then swap until system won't respond ... any ideas?
[14:23] <mr-rich> uptime: 2 1/2 days, almost 8GB gone already ...
[14:23] <BluesKaj> memory leak?
[14:23] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: That's what I'm thinking ... but how to stop it?
[14:25] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: was having an issue with Firefox a few weeks ago, but once I closed Firefox, memory was ok ... not even running Firefox now ...
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, AMD GPU?
[14:26] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Intel CPU ... how to check GPU?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA
[14:27] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: MB is a P55A-UD3
[14:29] <mr-rich> $ lspci | grep VGA
[14:29] <mr-rich> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 5750]
[14:30] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Yup ... AMD ...
[14:31] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I run the proprietary driver ...
[14:31] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, ok check this out  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1314787 you'll have to scroll down about 80% to find the fix
[14:57] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: dammit ... it's the kernel ...
[14:58] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: when I first installed 14.04, I had to install kernel 3.14 because video didn't even work ... after a while I switched back to 3.13 so I could get the kernel updates from ubuntu ...
[14:58] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, yeah suspected it was as described in the bug summary
[14:59] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: worked a long while .... but I guess I'll have to switch back to 3.14 again ... and I already deleted it ...
[15:01] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, what about a newer kernel ?
[15:11] <naftilos76> Hi everyone, i bought a laptop and i am having issues with the nvidia 840M graphics. There are two graphics boards (1) VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09) & (2) 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 840M] (rev a2) . I am at the point right after a fresh install of kubuntu 14.04. No updates were installed. I have only connected through wifi to be able to connect to the inernet. The issue is
[15:11] <naftilos76> that i am getting a trembling of everything shown on the lcd. This happens only in graphics mode but not in text mode which would be while selecting options in during grub menu. I have seen a few things like adding repo "ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa" or installing nvidia drivers from the defaiult repos. I prefer the nouveau driver because the boot is nicer. The driver manager shows nothing. In other installations of 14.04 i used to see a list of nvidia drivers
[15:11] <naftilos76> and the nouveau at thevery bottom. Can anybody suggest how i should proceed. It is very tiring to keep my eyes on this lcd.
[15:12] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Can i pls have your opinion on this?
[15:16] <naftilos76> I have tried to check what pkgs are installed regarding graphs and this is what i get after doing dpkg -l | grep nouveau:
[15:16] <naftilos76> ii  libdrm-nouveau2:amd64                       2.4.56-1~ubuntu2                      amd64        Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
[15:16] <naftilos76> ii  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-utopic       1:1.0.11-1ubuntu2~trusty1             amd64        X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver
[15:17] <naftilos76> After doing dpkg -l | grep nvidia i got nothing so it is clear that nouveau is the selected driver at the moment
[15:18] <naftilos76> I suspect that this is clearly a matter of vertical or horizontal refresh. I installed kubuntu 15.04 and the grapchis were fine.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hybrid graphics setups like Optimus with 2 gpus , usually intel and nvidia are problematic on kubuntu, but I have seen users manage their setups with nvidia-prime. naftilos76
[15:20] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, you might get somewhere with the suggestions here , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207431
[15:21] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Thank you. I saw a few links about nvidia-prime. I will have a try. I will also have a look at your link. Thanks again.
[15:22] <eXistenZe> hey
[15:22] <eXistenZe> how can I find the name of the package to uninstall the icon in the systemtray fo instant messaging?
[15:23] <eXistenZe> I had already uninstalled everything IM related, but when upgrading with kubuntu backport ppa it installed the systray icon again
[15:23] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, i really don't have much knowledge/experience with dual graphics setups. Some users end up switching off the intel lower power gpu and use the nvidia exclusively, but I'm not sure how that is done.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> eXistenZe, check your "system tray settings"
[15:44] <Bizarromurphy> Hi
[15:45] <Bizarromurphy> I just installed kubuntu and I'm having trouble figuring out how to connecting to WiFi
[15:49] <ShalokShalom> Bizarromurphy: you find the icon in the panel ?
[15:50] <Bizarromurphy> Which icon
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> the wlan icon
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> network
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> which kubuntu ?
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> 15.04 ?
[15:51] <ShalokShalom> you check md5 ?
[15:52] <Bizarromurphy> I think it's 14.04
[15:52] <BluesKaj>  Bizarromurphy, hold your cursor over easch icon in right side of the panel , you'll find network manager
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Bizarromurphy, run, lsb_release  -a, in the terminal to find which kubuntu version
[15:54] <Bizarromurphy> 12.04
[15:54] <ShalokShalom> ah, i see
[15:54] <ShalokShalom> much fun ^^
[15:55] <ShalokShalom> how new is your device ?
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> 12.04.5 lts
[15:55] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> Just got it
[15:55] <Bizarromurphy> Used an online instructions to install kde
[15:56] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: which kernel? should I go with 3.14 latest?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, I have no idea, I just use the default kernel. My kernel testing days are over since I found running non default kernels as unproductive.which in your case may be different
[16:04] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I switched back to using the default kernels for the same reason ...
[16:05] <lordievader> mr-rich: Switching back to radeon ain't an option?
[16:05] <TJ->  I'm finding v4.1 significantly faster, and more responsive, than the default kernels
[16:06] <mr-rich> lordievader: I use the proprietry divers
[16:06] <lordievader> TJ-: 4.x is rather nice indeed.
[16:06] <lordievader> mr-rich: I know, hence the question.
[16:06] <mr-rich> lordievader: much faster
[16:06] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[16:07] <mr-rich> $ uname -a
[16:07] <mr-rich> Linux rjwiii-P55A-UD3 3.13.0-55-generic #94-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 18 00:27:10 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:08] <BluesKaj> TJ-, what about system updates and upgrades?
[16:08] <TJ-> BluesKaj: what about them?
[16:08] <lordievader> Hmm. 3.14.1 seems to be the newest you can get without compiling it yourself.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> or default kernel upgrades for example
[16:08] <TJ-> BluesKaj: doesn't make any difference
[16:10] <mr-rich> lordievader: do they do security patches for that?
[16:10] <mr-rich> lordievader: looking at the dates, I assume not ...
[16:10] <BluesKaj> that wasn't my experience with a couple of kernels that were supposed to be faster
[16:10] <lordievader> Perhaps, not sure. I think TJ- will be able to answer that ;)
[16:12] <TJ-> All supported packages receive security updates
[16:12] <mr-rich> TJ-: is kernel 3.14.1 a supported package?
[16:13] <mr-rich> Doesn't look like it ...
[16:13] <lordievader> From the kernel ppa.
[16:13] <TJ-> An additional kernel is simply added to the boot config; it doesn't affect existing packages (on the priviso the kernel was built with similar/the sam CONFIG options as the Ubuntu kernels)
[16:14] <TJ-> mr-rich: mainline kernels aren't supported, they're for 'testing' but if you choose those you know you have to keep an eye out for security issues
[16:15] <mr-rich> TJ-: That's what I thought ... can't they roll this fix into 3.13.0 and issue an update?
[16:16] <mr-rich> TJ-: I switched back to default meny months ago and this problem only started happening recently ...
[16:16] <TJ-> mr-rich: I think I missed your specific issue. There needs to be a bug report in launchpad and a demonstrable regression for an update.
[16:17] <TJ-> mr-rich: For LTS releases that need more recent kernels you should use the supported HardWare Enablement packages
[16:17] <mr-rich> TJ-: There is a bug report ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1314787
[16:18] <ShalokShalom> especially for gpu issues, HWE
[16:18] <mr-rich> I switched back to default so I could get the updates ...
[16:19] <ShalokShalom> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:19] <lordievader> By the by, the radeon drive is quite okay if you don't use a lot of 3d stuff.
[16:25] <mr-rich> lordievader: I have a bad memory leak in Xorg
[16:25] <TJ-> mr-rich: I've allocated that bug to linux and set a milestone; it should get kernel dev attention now
[16:26] <lordievader> mr-rich: "After I removed it, Xorg stopped eating my RAM." Wouldn't that say the memory leak is in fglrx?
[16:26] <mr-rich> TJ-: Thank you!
[16:26] <lordievader> mr-rich: Anyhow what I mean is, you could run the radeon driver until this is fixed.
[16:27] <TJ-> lordievader: With the same driver installed, 3.13 and 3.15 show the issue but 3.12 and 3.14 don't
[16:27]  * TJ- blames the odd numbers
[16:27] <mr-rich> lordievader: what does fglrx actually do?
[16:28] <mr-rich> lordievader: is that 3-D? I may have installed it in a failed attempt to get Google Earth running ...
[16:28] <Krixvar> Hey TJ-, thanks for the help earlier, I managed to get it running!
[16:29] <Krixvar> Your messages were full or I would have let you know
[16:29] <mr-rich> lordievader: do you mean the open source driver? waaaaaay to much screen flicker ...
[16:29] <TJ-> Krixvar: Really? I'd best clean up! thanks for telling me
[16:30] <lordievader> mr-rich: Hmm, I've been running the radeon driver without issue for years.
[16:30] <Krixvar> TJ-: no problem! I ended up running boot-repair as a last attempt before waiting to hear back from you, and the commands it gave me to run in linux were broken but it suggested some windows command to redirect the bootloader to the ubuntu files and it worked
[16:30] <Krixvar> Got broken by the first apt-get upgrade I did but I know the process now haha
[16:30] <mr-rich> lordievader: I have 1600x1200 resolution ... flicker is huge ... :)
[16:32] <TJ-> Krixvar: with EFI both OSs should add a boot menu entry in the UEFO non-volatile variables on the motherboard
[16:32] <Krixvar> TJ-: That's not something I'm familiar with :/ I had to run  bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.exi from windows to get it working
[16:33] <lordievader> mr-rich: I have three screens, 1920x1080, 2560x1440, 1280x1024. No problem ;)
[16:33] <TJ-> Krixvar: I suspect the UEFI might also be set either to default to Windows and/or in fastboot mode whereby it doesn't look for user input at power-on
[16:33] <Krixvar> I'd boot up and it would go straight to windows without any grub
[16:33] <Krixvar> I turned off fastboot, but since its an OEM laptop that might be the case
[16:33] <TJ-> Krixvar: Yes, that is what you expect on UEFI... it manages the boot menu, the boot-loaders for GRUB and Windows stay separate and do not interact with each other
[16:34] <Krixvar> That's cool
[16:34] <Krixvar> So I'm assuming that the reason it broke on the apt-get upgrade was that it didn't reinstall grub with the --no-uefi-secure-boot flag?
[16:34] <TJ-> Krixvar: When you're in Linux, if you (re)do "grub-install ..." that will run the command "efibootmgr ..." which is the tool that adds an Ubuntu entry to the UEFI boot menu.
[16:35] <Krixvar> Cool, I just ran it again
[16:35] <TJ-> Krixvar: If you use "grub-install -v --target=x86_64-efi --no-uefi-secure-boot |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log" you can check in the log file that efibootmgr did its thing
[16:36] <TJ-> Krixvar: It should also set the Ubuntu entry to be the default entry which will start Ubuntu not Windows unless you choose otherwise at power-on
[16:37] <Krixvar> TJ-: Awesome, I ran it again and it's back to asking for a password to decrypt /boot so that's good
[16:38] <Krixvar> Not really sure why it didn't make ubuntu default the first time so I'll check next time I get the chance
[16:38] <Krixvar> aka next time it breaks from an upgrade
[16:38] <Krixvar> or is there some way to tell it to always use that flag when upgrading?
[16:38] <TJ-> Krixvar: It took me ages to see the reason I couldn't get the encrypted /boot/ to work with the GRUB install in the VM... then I used 'strings' on the grub module and realised cryptodisk wasn't in the signed image. I've reported it as a bug  it needs to be in there
[16:39] <Krixvar> TJ-: yeah, that's a strange issue.. I never would have figured it out haha I'm very thankful you were willing to help
[16:40] <TJ-> It was fun :)
[16:42] <Krixvar> Awesome, and I learned more about booting Linux in a day than I did in nearly 10 years of using linux
[16:43] <Krixvar> I'm looking to set this up on all my computers so I may be getting back in touch at some point if that's alright,
[16:43] <TJ-> It should stay the same if fastboot is off
[16:43] <Krixvar> Cool
[16:43] <TJ-> Yeah sure :)
[16:43] <TJ-> Now you can fix my issue of the day :D
[16:43] <Krixvar> haha I can try
[16:43] <Krixvar> gotta head out soon though
[16:43] <TJ-> heheh I doubt it :)
[16:43] <Krixvar> In the meantime though, its not possible to use this setup on an older computer with BIOS, right?
[16:43] <Krixvar> probably not haha :P
[16:45] <BluesKaj> TJ-, makes me think i should restore my laptop to uefi boot and gpt .I didn't have the patience to try installing kubuntu using uefi when I received the machine 2 yrs ago, so i wiped the drive clean and repartitioned from scratch,. Now, every once in a while I lose grub altogether and can't boot anything. Removing the battery for a few minutes usually restores grub , but it's becoming a pita.
[16:45] <TJ-> I got a mini-PCIe SSD that doesn't work ... PC goes through BIOS POST then hangs... turns out this supposedly PCIe V2 compliant device breaks on a PCIe V1 controller despite the fact the V2 standard mandates both versions must be supported
[16:46] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I do prefer UEFI ... it's much easier to debug and fix, especially if you've got an EFI shell available
[16:46] <TJ-> None of the old arguments over which boot-loader rules as with BIOS
[16:47] <Krixvar> TJ-: ahhh you're right that I don't think I can help much with that :/ sorry!
[16:47] <TJ-> I think the biggest problems for UEFI are the CSM and legacy BIOS boot support - that causes so much confusion because users aren't aware of which mode was used, or how critical it is during installation especially
[16:47] <TJ-> Krixvar: I've emailed SuperTalent hopefully I'll get an engineering response.
[16:48] <Krixvar> TJ-: awesome, that's probably your best bet. I'll be back very late tonight probably, thanks again for all the help :)
[16:49] <Krixvar> Oh do you have a link for the bug report you made so I can keep an eye on it as well?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> TJ-, guess, it's too late for me , I've read several tutorials on how to restore UEFI and GPT, and it looks pretty complicated so I haven't bothered trying
[16:50] <TJ-> BluesKaj: Depends on the partition layout as to whether you can create the space for the GPT... although UEFI can boot from MBR too, as long as you have a type 0xEF primary partition with the EFI system FAT16/32 file-system
[16:53] <BluesKaj> TJ-, i wiped all the original partitions completely, guess I just have to live with the boot problem ...I normally don't shut my laptop off anymore to avoid the proble. i just suspend.
[16:55] <TJ-> hmmmm... I need a way to have a script executed when lightdm service starts, before it launches Xorg
[16:56] <lordievader> TJ-: I suppose you can let systemd do that.
[16:56] <lordievader> The pre-exec is for that IIRC.
[16:56]  * lordievader is off for food
[16:56] <TJ-> No systemd here!
[16:57] <BluesKaj> TJ-, what are you running?
[16:58] <TJ-> 14.04 so upstart
[16:58] <BluesKaj> right
[16:59] <TJ-> I have to dynamically re-write xorg.conf each boot
[16:59] <BluesKaj> even debian jessie is using systemd, but the lightdm greeter
[17:04] <BluesKaj> reverted my main OS to one that runs kde4/plasma4 , plasma 5/kf5 is ok, but it dropped some of my fav features which I really missed , it's nice to have them back
[17:04] <TJ-> IT really annoys me when developers scratch their own itch like that rather than ask users what they want
[17:05] <BluesKaj> agreed
[17:13] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:26] <L4bR4t> In system setting->input devices I set a keybd shortcut to disable my touchpad.  it works up until I close system settings, then I can  no longer disable my touchpad.  Any ideas?
[17:52] <lordievader> TJ-: Upstart can have pre-scripts, if you put it in *.override or however it is called it doesn't get deleted with updates.
[17:53] <TJ-> lordievader: Hmm doesn't the override replace the original though?
[17:53] <lordievader> Err, yes. But you could copy it and make your changes.
[17:54] <lordievader> Ture, it ain't very pretty.
[17:54] <lordievader> True*
[17:54] <lordievader> For what it is worth, I rather like systemd's way of writing service files.
[17:55] <madeti> In kubuntu 15.04, KDE platform version 4.14.6, I have the following problem http://imgur.com/J7QqFr2
[17:56] <madeti> 'places' in dolphin, vanish after some time
[17:56] <madeti> I don't know exactly what triggers it
[17:56] <madeti> is there a solution to it?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> madeti, have you updated and upgraded lately , it's a known bug that was fixed a while back
[18:06] <madeti> i think it showed up after a recent upgrade only, let me check if there is an update
[18:06] <lordievader> What version of plasma5 are you running?
[18:06] <madeti> lordievader: how to check?
[18:07] <madeti> plasmashell 5.2.2
[18:07] <madeti> and there is no update available
[18:07] <lordievader> Ah 5.2. You could consider jumping to 5.3 with the backports ppa.
[18:08] <madeti> won't it be in the official ppa anytime soon?
[18:08] <lordievader> Offical ppa?
[18:09] <madeti> i mean the normal sources
[18:09] <madeti> of ubuntu
[18:10] <lordievader> Ah, I don't think so. Anyhow the backports ppa is by the Kubuntu developers.
[18:11] <lordievader> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:12] <madeti> lordievader: is it stable?
[18:13] <lordievader> Err, can't tell. The only box that runs Plasma5 has Wily. I tested 5.3 on Vivid though, for me it was stable.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> yup  plasma 5.3 on Vivid is stable on my laptop
[18:20] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Thanks :)
[18:28] <mr-rich> How can I tell if fglrx is running? ps doesn't show anything ...
[18:37] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, glxinfo | grep OpenG
[18:37] <BluesKaj> correction glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[19:02] <mamba_> hello anyone familiar with mounting usb and cdrom drive
[19:06] <ikonia> what's up ?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> mamba_, mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive
[19:13] <BluesKaj> hey ikonia , ltns here
[19:19] <Jop_V> mamba_: It should mount automatically when you insert it...
[19:42] <sofia02071989> ciao
[20:52] <madeti> lordievader: added kubuntu backport ppa you mentioned, updated, upgraded, problem with dolphin still persists
[21:14] <lordievader> mr-rich: Or 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'.
[21:15] <lordievader> madeti: Hmm, that is too bad.
[21:15] <lordievader> madeti: Is there a bug report about it?
[22:30] <Guest11449> hi...can someone point me the best tutorial for nvidia optimus
[22:54] <valorie> !nvidia | Guest11449
[22:54] <valorie> !optimus


 Open Cache Acceleration Software | Open CAS
 https://open-cas.github.io/index.html
 I have found something ig it can make optane work on linux
 Intel opensource project
 Take a look
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good morning
 They have community on telegram (re @IrcsomeBot: <beun__> I'm looking for some help with Ubuntu DDE)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Kubuntu is fun
[13:24] <klopotalec> hi there, how many kubuntu users are there?
[13:24] <klopotalec> and more importantly, can ask ubuntu be used for help
[13:25] <klopotalec> should anything go wrong?
[13:28] <NealRame> anything that's not gnome-specific should be fine to ask there as it's the same OS in the end.
[13:29] <NealRame> for your first question: you mean in this channel? I'd guess most everyone here is a user
[13:29] <BluesKaj> klopotalec, yes, you can ask in ubuntu chat but if the issue is with the kde/plsma desktop you may be referred back to this support chat
[13:30] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma
[13:31] <klopotalec> no no, generally
[13:31] <klopotalec> in what ballpark to kubuntu user numbers fall
[13:31] <klopotalec> just so i know i'm in big company :D
[13:31] <klopotalec> reckon bigger or smaller then say, fedora?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> it's difficult to know
[13:33] <Mekaneck> klopotalec: how many users there are doesn't really belong in the support channel since it's not a specific Kubuntu support question. There's #kubuntu-offtopic for such things. :)
 Can you anyone give a  free open source alternative of Grammly ,with full features
 You (re @ADHIVP: Can you anyone give a  free open source alternative of Grammly ,with full features)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> @ADHIVP, https://alternativeto.net/software/grammarly-grammar-checker/?platform=linux
[15:02] <BluesKaj> assume you mean Grammarly
 😅
[18:07] <galaxy> Hello everyone
[18:08] <galaxy> What is the best place to ask Kubuntu related questions?
[18:09] <galaxy> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1354629/kubuntu-21-04-night-color-not-working
[18:10] <galaxy> This is a thread that I created on askubuntu please help. It is regarding issues with night color and redshift on 21.04


[12:06] <mornfall> yeah, ok
[12:06] <mornfall> as for fetchers, i wanted to redo the api, mainly, not the methods
[10:12] <Verwilst> hellow!
[10:19] <insanekane> is there some way to download bksys ?
[10:22] <insanekane> err, install bksys using apt-get :)
[12:36] <pef> hello
[03:22] <\sh> looks like fedora has patches for libvisual and libvisual_plugins to build with gcc4
[03:22] <Riddell> \sh: steal them!
[03:23] <Riddell> (and send them upstream because fedora never will)
[03:24] <\sh> yeah
[03:36] <\sh> well...actually it's no source patch...its a CFLAGS add of -mmmx
[03:44] <\sh> k
[03:44] <\sh> libvisual build now with gcc/g++-4
[03:50] <Riddell> \sh: awooga
[04:02] <Tm_T> good
[04:06] <\sh> but libvisual_plugins is b0rked
[04:08] <Tm_T> even better ;)
[04:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: is there some material (like text and pics) about Kubuntu somewhere? I think I will keep short demonstration(?) of it in school
[04:14] <apokryphos> there were some slides Riddell used at the last Ubuntu talk which hit on some of the major points; loadsa screenies from OSDnews to steal from
[04:14] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork for logos
[04:14] <apokryphos> Edubuntu is good for schools, but no KDE desktop :-O
[04:15] <Riddell> see my blog for the slides
[04:15] <Riddell> KDE + kdeedu == edubuntu :)
[04:15] <Riddell> + LTSP to be fair
[04:15] <apokryphos> kedubuntu :D
[04:16] <apokryphos> not + KDE -- they only have some k-edu packs there
[04:16] <\sh> apokryphos: all kdeedu packages
[04:17] <\sh> apokryphos: which is quite nice..because we can show the world that gnome and kde are working together in the education business
[04:17] <\sh> ,-)
[04:17] <apokryphos> yup :)
[04:18] <\sh> but I think riddell has to talk to ogra for doing akedubuntu release :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> is it possible for Riddell to do any more? Isn't he involved in like a zillion things already :D
[04:25] <jjesse> apokryphos: as long as Riddell gets my stylesheets changed he can do as much as he wants to :)
[04:25] <jjesse> you know one day he is going to just get sick of me bugging him about it
[04:26] <apokryphos> 8)
[04:35] <Riddell> jjesse: no, you need to keep poking me
[05:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks
[05:30] <Riddell> Drakeson: any ideas for what to put on kubuntu CDs?
[05:31] <Drakeson> Oh I'm so outdated! what's going on? which CD's?
[05:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: in "speaking english" course we have to do some and I thought I will do about Kubuntu and this way make it more knowledged
[05:31] <Drakeson> you mean cd covers?
[05:33] <Riddell> Drakeson: yes
[05:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: excellent :)
[05:34] <Riddell> Drakeson: current options are for another konqi image (in which case I'd have to find basse or kubuntu-girl)
[05:35] <Drakeson> when is the deadline? I'll try to make up something now
[05:35] <Riddell> Drakeson: as soon as possible I guess
[05:37] <Drakeson> an unrelated question, will we have that "DejaVi" issue in the CD's as well?
[05:37] <Riddell> Drakeson: DejaVu is on the CD
[05:38] <Drakeson> good.
[05:38] <Riddell> Drakeson: thetypo is fixed in an update in breezy-updates but we can't change the CD unfortunatly
[05:38] <Riddell> but breezy-updates is installed during install if you have an internet connection
[05:39] <Drakeson> that's a little frustrating ;)
[05:41] <Riddell> we very nearly didn't have anti-aliased fonts on KDM so think yourself lucky :)
[05:43] <Drakeson> what was the issue? I have noticed that sometimes I had antialias there and sometimes didn't.
[05:45] <Riddell> kdmrc wasn't set up properly
[05:47] <pef_aw> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[05:49] <Riddell> hi pef
[05:50] <pef> Riddell: not too tired because of yesterday ? :]
[05:50] <Riddell> pef: what happened yesterday?
[05:50] <pef> Riddell: you was very busy with KDE
[05:50] <Riddell> that's the case every day :)
[05:51] <Drakeson> There was(is) also a problem with the ksplash, and that's because of the splash engine (Default). the problem is the default engine may change the splash_bottom.png size (actually crops it) according to the font used, and that makes it look bad. that was frustrating we don't have a really suitable engine in kde yet.
[05:51] <Riddell> Drakeson: we will probably use moodin for dapper, see revu for the package
[05:51] <Riddell> moodin can do lots of fancy things, I'm sure you'll have fun playing with it :)
[05:52] <Drakeson> yeah moodine looks much better.
[05:52] <pef> Riddell: my email address is whitelisted, can you have a look at qtparted and kdissert on revu ? if you think it's ok I will upload them
[05:53] <Drakeson> have people settled on what drake would mean for dapper?
[05:54] <pef> Drakeson: the poll doesn't seems to be closed http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/115
[05:56] <Riddell> pef: debian now has kdissert in experimental, please merge them
[05:57] <Drakeson> is kdissert going to share something with umbrello?
[05:57] <pef> Riddell: ok
[05:58] <Riddell> pef: qtparted 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 is in dapper
[05:58] <Riddell> looks like I uploaded it
[05:58] <Riddell> Drakeson: no, what would it share?
[05:59] <Drakeson> I am not sure yet but I have imagined a whole lot's of things that can be naturally done through an extended kdissert
[05:59] <pef> Riddell: you're right, sorry :)
[06:00] <Drakeson> I'll try to write them, then.
[06:00] <Riddell> pef: you should install qtparted from the ubntu archives and make sure it runs as the final step
[06:01] <Drakeson> I have recently discovered that gem (kdissert) and I got really frustrated when tnagy told me he has almost abondoned the developement of kdissert in favour of bksys.
[06:02] <Drakeson> anyway, back to graphics stuff ;)
[06:02] <Riddell> Drakeson: that's fair enough, bksys is an important project that the whole of KDE will depend on
[06:03] <pef> Riddell: already done, I haven't find anything special
[06:04] <Riddell> pef: groovy
[06:33] <pef> Riddell: when there is a new upstream release, what's the best thing to do, waiting for debian package then sync him, or upload the new release to archive ?
[06:54] <Mez> Riddell: do you know an easy way to stop windows showing the composite shadow?
[07:32] <Riddell> pef: I think we can sync from experimental so make sure the debian package compiles fine and ask elmo to sync from experimental
[07:33] <Riddell> pef: but I'm not why it's using a strage version number so it might be a good idea to ask the debian maintainer why
[07:39] <\sh> i'm doomed
[07:39] <\sh> libvisual needs ppc love..
[07:40] <\sh> and I saw this patch as well on fedora....but it should be applied in the debian package as well...
[07:48] <pef> Riddell: I'm not talking about a special package, but as a general question :)
[08:30] <Drakeson> Riddell: ping
[08:37] <Riddell> Drakeson: yo
[08:37] <Drakeson> I have made a few sketches, and put them here: http://gazor3.ece.queensu.ca/~hon/Drakeson/index.html
[08:43] <Tm_T> is this normal? I put datacd in -> konqueror automounts and open window (even when I told NOT to) and only way to remove cd is say "eject" as root
[08:44] <Tm_T> even when its unmounted
[08:44] <Tm_T> and cd keep spinning and led flashing
[08:45] <pef> bye !
[08:45] <Tm_T> this does explain why I can't rip cds or even properly play (skip some tracks)
[08:45] <Tm_T> any ideas whats wrong or howto debug
[08:45] <Drakeson> it happens for me either. and I have no idea why
[08:46] <Tm_T> using KDE 3.5b2 ?
[08:46] <Drakeson> yep
[08:47] <Tm_T> :p
[08:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think we found a bug then, right?
[08:48] <Drakeson> Riddell: wha'dya think? (those CD covers)
[08:49] <Tm_T> huoh
[08:49] <Tm_T> any ideas how to rip music then? (I don't own separate cd player (not proper one)
[08:50] <Tm_T> )
[08:51] <Tm_T> Drakeson: this problem appeared recently, right?
[08:53] <Drakeson> I am not sure, I cannot remember if it worked correctly in breezy even for once ;)
[08:58] <Tm_T> :p
[08:58] <Tm_T> I ripped couple albums about a month (?) ago
[09:14] <Tm_T> bah: 2005-09-08
[09:14] <Tm_T> that make two months ago
[09:24] <Riddell> Drakeson: nice...
[09:24] <Drakeson> good :)
[09:24] <Riddell> but...
[09:24] <Riddell> I don't know how many colours we have on the CDs themselves
[09:25] <Drakeson> ?
[09:25] <Riddell> printing on CDs isn't like printing on the covers, I don't think we can have gradients
[09:25] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/art/hoary-cds/
[09:25] <Drakeson> I have never designed a cd cover before, so I may be totally lost
[09:25] <Riddell> start with the sleve I think
[09:26] <Riddell> sleeve
[09:26] <Riddell> but we should have a figure on the sleeve
[09:26] <Riddell> something other than just your pretty graphics, which you are very good at
[09:27] <Riddell> like one of the konqis or kubuntu-girl
[09:27] <Riddell> http://www.kulma.org/linux/kde/kone.php?categ=kubuntu
[09:27] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu-gurl/images.html
[09:28] <Drakeson> do you have a pretty image from UBZ? :D
[09:28] <Riddell> not really
[09:46] <Riddell> Drakeson: I think something in your theme would be cool, but it also needs more than just graphic design patters
[09:47] <Drakeson> yeah, I got it ;)
[09:47] <Drakeson> I am thinking of a cool image or ...
[10:15] <Riddell> mornfall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperPackageManager
[10:15] <Riddell> mornfall: I need a sentence or two for .deb installer
[10:16] <Riddell> mornfall: and I'm not sure what the advanced problem resolution algorithm is
[10:18] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ah, actually last rip I made: 2005-10-05
[10:18] <Tm_T> Drakeson: so, have to find out what's changed after that
[10:19] <Drakeson> using breezy (rc, ...) or hoary?
[10:19] <Tm_T> breezy propably
[10:19] <Tm_T> yes
[10:20] <Tm_T> hmm, when beta2 came out?
[10:20] <Riddell> mornfall: .deb installer implementation that is
[10:20] <Riddell> /whois/whois mornfall
[10:20] <Riddell> hmm
[10:20] <Tm_T> :p
[10:20] <Tm_T> just say /WII mornfall
[10:20] <Riddell> ?
[10:21] <Tm_T> WII (whois whois)
[10:21] <Tm_T> 23:20 -!-  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 43 mins 16 secs [signon: Tue Nov  1 15:20:18 2005]
[10:21] <Tm_T> that's what you were looking for?
[10:23] <Riddell> irssi does not know WII
[10:24] <Tm_T> does here
[10:25] <Tm_T> or atleast wii
[10:25] <Tm_T> I did a moment ago /WII mornfall
[10:25] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:27] <Tm_T> actually it's defined in config
[10:34] <mornfall> what's with mornfall?
[10:37] <mornfall> Riddell: advanced problem resolution -- a bit like what aptitude does -- get better in avoiding breaking packages
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: not too much priority for now, it's rare scenario unless you use some sort of unofficial repository -- and you are on your own by then anyway
[10:39] <Riddell> mornfall: like apt-get -f install
[10:39] <Riddell> ?
[10:39] <mornfall> Riddell: just actually useful :-))
[10:39] <Riddell> yes
[10:40] <Riddell> got a sentence or two about .deb installer implementation?
[10:40] <mornfall> Riddell: for .deb installer, it's about that what you say there... maybe that it will probably take a form of few-step wizard
[10:40] <mornfall> Riddell: (probably :))
[10:41] <Riddell> mornfall: yes but how, there were about 3 different ways to do it yesterday
[10:42] <mornfall> Riddell: (like, clicking a package gives you a welcome screen telling you some info about the package and giving you option to install it... if there's not enough space in first screen (likely), put an overview of changes it will do to your system to second one and then the usual "commit")
[10:42] <mornfall> Riddell: for implementation, that's to be decided... it'll be either via local repository managed by libapt-front (the probably-easy one) or by reading in the info out from the .deb and doing something with it
[10:48] <Tm_T> :(
[10:48] <Tm_T> Drakeson: heh, now I found out that I can't play cd any other app but KsCD
[10:49] <Drakeson> does it have anything to do with the hal issue?
[10:49] <Tm_T> I have no idea
[10:49] <Tm_T> I mean even cdplay refuses to play it
[10:50] <Drakeson> I have no clue either
[10:51] <Tm_T> hah, just installed cdcd ... no luck
[10:54] <Tm_T> player does find tracks...
[10:54] <Tm_T> that's about all
[10:58] <Riddell> mornfall: groovy, thanks
[10:58] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo reminded me that daniel burrows will probably be putting his advanced problem reolution stuff into libapt so every frontend can use that
[11:08] <mornfall> Riddell: yes i know
[11:11] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, looks like there is possible driver borkage
[11:12] <Drakeson> but did the driver change somehow? is it related to the kernel version?
[11:12] <Tm_T> dunno
[11:13] <Tm_T> but I do know that even cdparanoia doesnt manage to copy track AND dmesg gets " [4388421.151000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0). " etc flood
[11:14] <Tm_T> I have no idea whats that
[11:15] <Mez> Riddell: we'll be getting katapult into debian too
[11:16] <Riddell> Mez: awooga, who uploads?
[11:17] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, hardware: ATAPI compatible HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4521B
[11:17] <Tm_T> Drakeson: does it match? ;)
[11:20] <Mez> isaac
[11:21] <Mez> (and eventually me)
[11:21] <Riddell> Mez: you're applying to be a debian maintainer?
[11:22] <Drakeson> Tm_T: I dont know. let's ask other guys
[11:23] <Drakeson> (perhaps #ubuntu guys can help ;) )
[11:24] <Tm_T> AH!
[11:24] <Tm_T> found something
[11:24] <Tm_T> something called kio_audio ;)
[11:24] <Tm_T> without app using it
[11:25] <Tm_T> let's see if I can finally rip something
[11:25] <Mez> Riddell, eventually :D lol
[11:25] <Mez> Riddell, I want to work with debian, but, for now, I have to do it from the sidelines :D
[11:30] <Tm_T> Drakeson: ok, so it's not drivers but kde related problem, I killed kio_audio and now I can play cd from console
[11:30] <Drakeson> cool. now le't see which app needs kio_audio. is it kaffeine?
[11:31] <Drakeson> (I don't use kaffeine myself)
[11:31] <Tm_T> me neither
[11:31] <Tm_T> Drakeson: I have no idea, but I won't use any until it's fixed
[11:58] <Tm_T> hm, ripperx seems to be proper app, use cdparanoia :)
[11:58] <Drakeson> :)
[11:58] <Drakeson> good :)
[11:59] <Tm_T> \sh: you are amarok package maintainer?


[01:52] <Legendario> can someone tell me why Openswan has packages only for LTS versions? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openswan&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[03:22] <Legendario> can someone tell me why Openswan has packages only for LTS versions? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openswan&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[03:31] <micahg> Unit193: I can have a look this weekend, please ping if you don't see something by Sunday
[03:33] <Unit193> OK, will do, thanks.
[06:50] <dholbach> good morning


[08:12] <mdke> Mirv: i used a script called "fix-urls.sh" to fix the ghelp links, it should be in the repository
[08:15] <Mirv> mdke: thanks, found it!
[08:16] <Mirv> I can probably adapt it somehow
[08:35] <mdke> Mirv: yes, shouldn't be too difficult. For the html itself, use the makefile way
[09:51] <Mirv> btw, my current script generates this: http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/ubuntu-docs/ (try opening some of the docs)
[09:52] <Mirv> and it's not using the makefile way, just docbook2html
[09:53] <Mirv> but if I do need to tweak it even more, I'll probably look at using xsltproc etc. or whatever the makefile is using
[09:54] <Mirv> ie. it generates navigation and index of pages included, and includes it on top of each document
[16:23] <ryanakca> is there a style guide for writing man pages?


[04:41] <TheMuso> c
[13:10] <scott-work> i was interviewed for Ubuntu User about ubuntu studio if anyone is interested:  http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Talking-about-Ubuntu-Studio-with-Scott-Lavender-Project-Lead-for-Ubuntu-Studio
[13:10] <scott-work> sorry about the long link
[13:51] <jussi> scott-work: ahh, great that happened
[17:36] <holstein> nice scott-work :)
[17:36]  * holstein just checked with AK to make sure it gets in the news for the week
[17:37] <holstein> that'll be 2 weeks in a row we hit the news-letter
[17:55] <scott-work> jussi:  yes it did, but just barely...i ended up taking off last friday from work to get it done though...i have too many projects going on at the same time
[17:55] <scott-work> holstein: thanks
[17:58] <falktx> just to make you jealous - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/blur_awesomeness.png
[17:58] <falktx> ehehehhihi gwahahawa
[18:15] <scott-work> falktx: but how does that affect your performance when recording?  I would imagine it would
[18:16] <scott-work> although, yes, it does look cool...as did your patchage screen shot
[18:17] <falktx> scott-work: well, since i have an intel card...
[18:17] <falktx> the whole system gets waaaay slowwww
[18:17] <falktx> so, i have transparency but no blur
[18:17] <falktx> on kde, alt+shift+f12 stop/starts compositioning
[18:17] <falktx> ^handy thing


[06:24] <gnrp> gnoob: Did oyu do it already? The command resize2fs does what you want
[06:24] <gnrp> you just need the partition to be properly resized, then you can increase the filesystem size
[06:32] <gnoob> gnrp: I did resize the partition.  I booted the Virtual Machine to a live Image and then used gparted to increase the partition size.
[06:33] <gnoob> with resize2fs I also would have needed to boot the live image?  The drive can't be mounted?
[08:14] <gnrp> ah, no, sorry ,then I misunderstood
[08:15] <gnrp> resize2fs only resizes the filesystem to the partition size, but not the partition itself
[09:05] <xu-help35w> I have a login loop for no apparent reason, lightdm status show 'PAM unable to dlopen' 'pam_kwallet5.so missing'. Everythings been fine for months, my drivers and permissions are fine. I created a new user in terminal and the same problem. I also 'mv Xuthority Xauthority.old' 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' - nothing fixes it. Xubuntu 20.04, can anyone
[09:05] <xu-help35w> help? https://i.stack.imgur.com/7k0So.jpg
[09:34] <xu-help35w> sudo apt install gdm3 - 'fixed'
[20:53] <vito13> Hi! I have xubuntu 18.04 installed on virtualbox and I'm stuck in the login loop...any suggestions?