[07:20] <caps> i'm using ubuntu yakk something with kde neon packages but suddenly after an update the opengl drivers disappeared or something.  opengl applications don't work anymore and glxinfo says Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
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[02:53] <Rojikku> Question. For an essentially home server would it be better to use 10.10 or LTS?
[02:53] <Rojikku> Erm.......11.10.......my bad.
[02:54] <Rojikku> Basically is it worth it to go with 11.10, or should I just use LTS?
[02:55] <qman__> ordinarily, sticking to LTS means less hassle
[02:55] <qman__> however, 11.10 is one before the next LTS
[02:55] <qman__> so either way, upgrading to the next LTS is one upgrade
[02:55] <Rojikku> yeah. it's SCSI with hardware RAID....and yeah xD 12.04 is next LTS yes?
[02:55] <Rojikku> 6 months away though.
[02:56] <qman__> I generally stick to LTS, but in both cases you will want to upgrade to 12.04 in 6-12 months, and in both cases it's a simple upgrade
[02:56] <Rojikku> but is there anything that 11.10 offers 10.10 doesn't?
[02:57] <qman__> plenty, most notable is hardware compatibility
[02:57] <jhtran> hey all.   are there any new docs on specifically using ubuntu oneiric xen kernel and orchestra?
[02:57] <qman__> otherwise, it depends on what software you want to run, and whether the newer major versions are something you want
[02:58] <Rojikku> alrighty. it's fairly old hardware though... it's SCSI, "Smart Array 6i" hardware raid... dual Xeon processors. Think they both are one core. DDR2 ram...Would you recomend 11.10 for that hardware, or is 10.10 going to work fine?
[02:59] <qman__> 10.04 is the LTS, and either should work fine on that hardware
[02:59] <Rojikku> and i frickin' printed out the damned 300 page manual for ubuntu server 11.04..............and then two days later it updates..........
[02:59] <qman__> going to be mostly the same
[02:59] <qman__> I can't think of any major changes that would apply in the manual
[03:00] <Rojikku> and thanks. xD since i don't have to mess with unity in servers.. might as well use the latest for maximum...messing around-ness and yeah i figured it would be similar
[03:00] <qman__> when we went from sysv scripts to upstart scripts, that was a big deal in the manuals
[03:00] <Rojikku> when was that?
[03:00] <qman__> 9.10 IIRC
[03:01] <Rojikku> oh-shit. i just remembered i have to learn how to compile my own kernel. >>; school project. D: xD anyway thanks
[03:01] <qman__> the convention changed from /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart to start|stop|restart service
[03:01] <Rojikku> oh that one! i still use /etc/init.d/service most of the time
[03:01] <qman__> or service servicename start|stop|restart
[03:01] <qman__> it won't work with most things anymore
[03:01] <qman__> anything that has moved to upstart
[03:02] <qman__> upstart supports the use of sysv scripts, but upstart scripts can't be run in sysv fashion
[03:02] <Rojikku> xD it still gave me errors last i did it. "You needa do it this way'. AND DAMNED iOS 5 on my IPOD! ITUNES KEEPS POPING UP EVERY 5 MIN AND WIRELESSLY SYNCING MY IPOD! STOP IT DARN YOU!
[03:03] <qman__> the service command handles both cases so that's what I use and recommend
[03:03] <Rojikku> alrighty. xD thanks.
[03:03] <Rojikku> >> it's blocked at school but, for learning experience, would it be worth it to try and setup VPN?
[03:04] <qman__> I use openVPN at home and at work extensively
[03:04] <Rojikku> i can't get the damn thing to run once i configure it. will have to try again. it looks really cool. is it actually useful? xD
[03:05] <qman__> at home I use it for remote access, and for securing my wireless clients
[03:05] <qman__> wifi is in its own little world, and my wireless clients have to openVPN in
[03:05] <qman__> IME openvpn is the easiest to set up and supports the most functions
[03:06] <Rojikku> ..............IME? whats that stand for?
[03:06] <qman__> you can configure it to support UDP and NetBIOS and all that good stuff
[03:06] <qman__> in my experience
[03:07] <qman__> at work I have probably 20-30 customers with untangle boxes, and those have openVPN built in
[03:07] <qman__> some have site to site VPNs, others just have clients
[03:08] <Rojikku> hm. cool. xD i don't know all the details. i was stuck at turning it on. e.e........ but this should be easier. two ethernet ports. i can use it as a router too... xD whatever practical use that has. i'm not sure if there is one. does windows natively support VPN?
[03:08] <Rojikku> so it does.. interesting.......
[03:08] <qman__> I use ubuntu on my router
[03:08] <qman__> set up a dynamic iptables script with port forwarding from a human-readable file
[03:08] <Rojikku> ._. you mean you hacked your router to use ubuntu, or your router is a computer?
[03:08] <qman__> computer
[03:08] <qman__> four NICs
[03:09] <Rojikku> o.o four?!
[03:09] <qman__> my setup is atypical
[03:09] <qman__> internet, home LAN, business LAN, wifi LAN
[03:09] <qman__> run an open wifi here, hence the sandboxing
[03:09] <Rojikku> damn. i'm out numbered. and i should have used NICs... xD ethernet is harder to spell... >>; xD and you run ALL that from ONE server?
[03:10] <qman__> well, the router is one server
[03:10] <Rojikku> the wifi one?
[03:10] <qman__> openVPN is on a different server, but doesn't have to be
[03:10] <qman__> the wifi LAN is a regular ethernet LAN with four WAPs switched in
[03:11] <Rojikku> yeah i dunno how that works ._. xD question. if i have an old laptop with no use for it, is there a way to network it so that my server can use some of it's processing power and memory?
[03:11] <qman__> not to any real end
[03:11] <qman__> it's possible but the overhead and effort is not worth it unless you have lots of machines to hook up
[03:11] <qman__> and even then you need a highly threaded application to take advantage
[03:12] <Zanzacar> I just upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04 and when I went to check the status of apache I get no apache MPM installed.
[03:12] <qman__> such as UEC with several VMs
[03:12] <Zanzacar> I checked it with sudo service apache2 status
[03:12] <qman__> or some kind of high performance computing application
[03:13] <Rojikku> xD meh. i use the laptop as a game server now for minecraft. i got the new server for... stuff xD it's mainly for the learning experience. so would it be..a good learning experience to network the two together?xD as in, amusing?
[03:13] <Rojikku> <-- is amused by complicated computer setups. as long as they work.
[03:14] <qman__> the only two methods I know of that are available in current software versions are beowulf clusters and UEC
[03:14] <qman__> both are specialized and you won't see any benefit
[03:14] <qman__> there used to be a project that would actually link comptuers together and divy up the workload as you probably imagine it should be
[03:14] <qman__> but it's long discontinued
[03:15] <Rojikku> beowulf clusters sounds familiar. i think someone in my class wanted to mess with them........ and why did the project discontinue?
[03:15] <michael_> hey guys, someone familiar with the new cloud support in ubuntu 11.10
[03:15] <qman__> don't know, it was before my time as a serious linux user/sysadmin
[03:15] <Rojikku> xD yeah. i'm trying to learn about linux servers while i can. it seems like a really good skill to have...
[03:16] <michael_> Rojikku, I think it wasn't as effective as it should have been.
[03:16] <qman__> plan 9 from bell labs still has a similar system available, but that's an entirely different animal than linux
[03:17] <Rojikku> michael_, Yeah, but it sounds cool, that's the important part. xD unless it had like a USB 3.0 connection betweent he two the (GOD DAMN IT ITUNES GO AWAY) speed would bottle neck at the network, it hink :P so yeah
[03:17] <michael_> Rojikku, not just the network, there are a lot of bitfalls.
[03:18] <Rojikku> michael_, yeah. but with USB3.0 out now it might be worth it to look into it again... there could be a central hub that manages distribution of data... x3 or something. just making complicated but effective and fun .
[03:19] <michael_> Rojikku, but why not use virtualisation or something like map reduce...
[03:19] <qman__> USB3 isn't really that revolutionary
[03:19] <qman__> we've had gigabit ethernet for years
[03:19] <michael_> you don't have to make a huge machine, just make a few small ones and let them work in parallel
[03:19] <qman__> and consumer 10g ethernet is around the corner
[03:19] <michael_> it's much more effective.
[03:20] <Rojikku> in what country
[03:20] <Rojikku> USA doesn't have your shiny high speed internets...... because of lack of government regulation...(or so i was told)
[03:20] <michael_> anyway back to the question: anyone familiar with the 11.10 server release? especially cloud, juju and stuff?
[03:20] <qman__> I upgraded my network to gigabit around 2007
[03:20] <qman__> I'm in the US
[03:20] <Rojikku> cool.. xD
[03:20] <qman__> ethernet != internet
[03:20] <Rojikku> yeah.
[03:21] <enmand_> michael_, someone mentioned earlier they were still working on some documentation for Juju, Orchestra and some of the cloud stuff
[03:21] <Rojikku> oh misread what you said
[03:21] <Rojikku> my bad
[03:21] <enmand_> michael_, I've been messing around with Orchestra and juju a bit, but I haven't got far in terms of getting Openstack deployed and working
[03:22] <Rojikku> ._. what does Orchestra even do... i read the manual... find something complicated... and have to wonder why i would want to learn how to do this because it doesn't list useful examples ><
[03:22] <enmand_> There is a finalized manual for Orchestra? Where did you find it?
[03:24] <enmand_> It's useful if you've got a bunch of machines you want to manage
[03:25] <Rojikku> ah. so it's like that canonical update manager thingy? *still reading the blog thingy*
[03:25] <Rojikku> too much thingy usage. my bad.
[03:26] <qman__> unfortunately most of the servers I manage at work are windows
[03:26] <qman__> otherwise I'd be interested
[03:29] <qman__> I did spend some time setting up icinga today though
[03:30] <enmand_> Is that similar to Nagios?
[03:31] <qman__> yep
[03:31] <qman__> it's a nagios fork, and uses nagios plugins
[03:31] <enmand_> Hrm, neat
[03:31]  * enmand_ marks as "Look into"
[03:32] <qman__> the inspiration for setting it up was a godaddy VPS that was flapping in the wind
[03:33] <qman__> and pissing customers off, because some service would stop and we wouldn't know because everything else was working
[03:33] <Rojikku> lol...do windows servers have any advantage?
[03:33] <KM0201> lol
[03:33] <Rojikku> i havn't actually messed with them at all.
[03:33] <qman__> from a techie point of view, not really
[03:34] <qman__> but practically, they offer something linux doesn't
[03:34] <qman__> a total package
[03:34] <enmand_> We have a few Windows servers at work
[03:34] <Rojikku> doesn't it come with a GUI?
[03:34] <qman__> we have a long way to go in directory systems and email, and integration
[03:34] <KM0201> qman__: that could also be its downfall though
[03:34] <Rojikku> or- xserver
[03:34] <qman__> before linux can hope to replace windows servers in small businesses
[03:34] <enmand_> Mostly for applications that don't run on Windows -- e.g. BusinessVision, ActiveDirectory for our reps, etc.
[03:35] <qman__> trust me, if I could replace windows SBS with linux I would, but the software just isn't there
[03:36] <qman__> exchange is a total bear and AD is a pain, but there just isn't anything with equivalent functionality I can set up
[03:36] <Rojikku> i heard that because of windows ending drive pooling people are switching to ubuntu servers... at least home server users. Due to abrupt though... if I have raid5 and plug in a fourth hot swap drive on a origionally 3 drive system... will it make it like it was origionally 4 drives, or do i ahve to reinstall to have it work properly?
[03:36] <qman__> it won't do anything by itself
[03:36] <qman__> you can either configure it as a spare, or add it to the array and rebuild
[03:37] <Rojikku> there is a certain chance i might need a BIT more than 100GB-parity
[03:37] <qman__> then resize the partition to fill the added space
[03:37] <Rojikku> is rebuilding complicated?
[03:37] <qman__> I've done both things
[03:37] <qman__> no, one command
[03:37] <qman__> but it takes a long time
[03:37] <qman__> rebuilding is done online
[03:37] <Rojikku> o.o with harware raid?
[03:37] <qman__> increasing the filesystem size to fill the newly gained space is offline
[03:37] <qman__> no
[03:37] <qman__> with software
[03:37] <qman__> mdadm
[03:37] <Rojikku> ah. what if you have hardware?
[03:37] <qman__> hardware depends entirely on your controller
[03:38] <qman__> and very few controllers are going to support expanding an existing array
[03:38] <qman__> if any
[03:38] <Rojikku> ........so software RAID is better?
[03:38] <qman__> in terms of functionality, yes
[03:38] <Rojikku> xD damn it! everything points to it being better with ubuntu servers. and i keep hearing it is slow as hell in school.
[03:38] <qman__> hardware can provide a performance advantage, depending
[03:38] <qman__> but unless you have some serious hardware, it's not worth it
[03:39] <qman__> mdadm provides every feature and option you can possibly imagine
[03:39] <Rojikku> Smart Array 6i........
[03:39] <qman__> if it has RAM cache, it's probably worth using
[03:39] <qman__> if it doesn't, it probably isn't
[03:39] <Rojikku> RAID	Smart Array 6i	Integrated Smart Array 6i Controller + Battery and Memory
[03:39] <qman__> yeah, I'd use that
[03:40] <qman__> well, if performance matters to you
[03:40] <qman__> if not, mdadm will still offer more options
[03:40] <Rojikku> xD hmm.... that's a hard choice really.
[03:40] <Rojikku> performance is good. options are good. can't get both?
[03:41] <qman__> being software raid, mdadm does all the math on the CPU
[03:41] <qman__> the hardware raid has its own processor and cache, leaving your CPU free to do other things
[03:41] <Rojikku> yeah. so they can't communicate on the lever that mdam can use the raid card's processor to do everything?
[03:41] <twb> mdadm is better because being able to recover your data is more important than having a fast system
[03:42] <Rojikku> true.
[03:42] <Rojikku> but it depends what you want the system for really.
[03:42] <twb> Unless it's a mysql database in which case the data inside it is worthless anyway
[03:42] <qman__> I use mdadm on my servers
[03:42] <Rojikku> xD the hell would you have a database with worthless data for?
[03:42] <qman__> I just get cards with good throughput and use them that way
[03:42] <enmand_> I think he means he doesn't like mysql
[03:43] <Rojikku> probably. mysql seems so useful though!
[03:43] <qman__> and as twb said, I can recover the data even if I have total system failure by simply plugging enough of the disks into another system and assembling the array
[03:44] <Rojikku> hm...alrighty
[03:44] <qman__> of course, in the fairly near future, btrfs/zfs will make this obsolete
[03:44] <Rojikku> >> i dunno about that. but. i will have to do both hardware and software. because i need to learn both out of curiosity.
[03:45] <Rojikku> probably go with software in the end. i like the idea of adding another drive easily. even if the server is down for hours. xD
[03:45] <twb> qman__: FSVO near future = 20.04 LTS
[03:45] <Rojikku> you mean 12?
[03:45] <qman__> ha
[03:45] <twb> No
[03:45] <Rojikku> .........................................................................
[03:45] <twb> filesystems are *hard*
[03:45] <enmand_> Heh
[03:45] <Rojikku> xD i dunno what FSVO. but i think you mean 12.04? >>;
[03:45] <enmand_> ZFS is nice
[03:46] <twb> It took a decade for ext to get its shit together, and btrfs is a substantially more ambitious design
[03:46] <enmand_> Haven't there been a few failed attempted to bring ZFS onto Linux?
[03:46] <Rojikku> o.o theres more file systems now.
[03:46] <Rojikku> @.@
[03:46] <enmand_> Rojikku, no, he means 20.04 :p
[03:46] <Rojikku> enmand_: that's far o.o
[03:46] <qman__> ZFS in linux has a combination problem of licensing and the way linux handles filesystems
[03:46] <enmand_> He was joking
[03:46] <Rojikku> kay
[03:47] <Rojikku> xD so many technologies...too late at night...
[03:47] <qman__> right now it's possible via fuse, though it's in a very rough state
[03:47] <qman__> and even if it does mature that way, you still need a non-zfs root
[03:48] <enmand_> But btrfs would make a logical choice aside from zfs
[03:48] <qman__> yes
[03:48] <Rojikku> >> anyway, i'm going to go to bed now. Thanks for all the help, it answered a lot of questions that required overly-complex google searches. xD(which i did try, but failed, to do)
[03:48] <enmand_> But btrfs still isn't that mature
[03:48] <qman__> yeah, quite a way to go
[03:49] <enmand_> http://kqstor.com/ <-- I think those guys were working on ZFS on Linux at one point
[03:49] <qman__> but that type of design is the future of file storage
[03:50] <qman__> freeBSD supports ZFS but it's limited; the only way to run ZFS well is solaris/opensolaris
[03:50] <qman__> but then you have to run solaris
[03:50] <qman__> and, well, no thanks
[03:51] <enmand_> Hah
[04:10] <enmand_> Wow, that samba bug has been reported to death :|
[04:14] <osiris> anyone recomend a good benchmark for a new server install ?
[04:24] <smw> osiris, benchmark?
[04:26] <osiris> yeah, something to test filesystem speed, ram speed, some kind of cpu test
[04:27] <osiris> smw, something to put the hardware through a few stress tests, before i install it in the data center for a customer
[04:28] <smw> osiris, I would test it how it will be used.
[04:28] <smw> osiris, if it was a webserver, I would run my website on it and test how it handles load.
[04:29] <osiris> im just doing the install of the os, puting an ip on it, and giving the customer the password. the rest is up to their developer
[04:29] <osiris> i just want to make sure the hardware will hold under heavy load overnight.
[04:31] <smw> osiris, hm... I have never tried stress testing a server before deciding what it would be used for exactly.
[04:32] <osiris> i understand what you mean by test it by doing it, but like i mentioned, im just responsible for the basic hardware / os on this project
[04:32] <osiris> and looks like hdparm isnt exactly accurate for sata drives
[04:33] <smw> osiris, yeah, I understand your position. I have just never thought of trying to test like that.
[04:35] <osiris> a better man than myself should write a hardware benchmark "suite" for basic hardware burn-in testing
[08:57] <dnmons> I’m having problems with auth provided by dovecot sasl after upgrading .04->.10. Any known issues I should be aware of?
[09:01] <dnmons> it would seem my /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf is not being used at all. :-/
[10:01] <BrainShock> anybody can help?
[10:01] <BrainShock> with Ubuntu 10.10 server GUI
[10:02] <BrainShock> anybody here?
[10:03] <BrainShock> hey)
[10:03] <BrainShock> dear server community... can somebody read it?
[10:05] <BrainShock> really anybody can't read it?
[10:08] <BrainShock> somebody can say me... where i can find that man who be pleasure to give me help information
[10:09] <BrainShock> maybe someone can give another channel link... more acctually
[10:11] <BrainShock> hey
[10:15] <koolhead17> BrainShock:
[10:15] <koolhead17> tell me
[10:17] <koolhead17> also since its Saturday most folks are away!! :)
[10:24] <BrainShock> d
[10:34] <BrainShock> anybody hear me?
[10:35] <koolhead17> BrainShock: yeah :)
[10:36] <BrainShock> second
[10:36] <koolhead17> BrainShock: next time before you scream for help here, go a bit googling. It never hurts :P
[10:36] <BrainShock> have a problem
[10:37] <koolhead17> shoot
[10:37] <BrainShock> with Ubuntu 10.10 server GUI
[10:38] <BrainShock> no sisplay VSP mode
[10:38] <BrainShock> display
[10:38] <BrainShock> Xorg -configuration error ... at least
[10:38] <BrainShock> can you help?
[10:38] <koolhead17> BrainShock: no
[10:38] <BrainShock> google ... way me here
[10:39] <BrainShock> .. and community forums
[10:39] <BrainShock> who can?
[10:39] <BrainShock> will be thx
[10:45] <patdk-lap> odd, why not just do a, do-release-upgrade
[12:06] <bludog_anchorite> can anyone recomend a way to monitor your ubuntu servers ? gkrellmd's allowed hosts options dont jive with my dynamic ip, and something like nagios or cacti is beyond me
[12:11] <apollo13> bludog_anchorite: you really want to invest some time in nagios
[12:11] <bludog_anchorite> can it monitor servers over the wan in a fairly secure manner ?
[12:12] <apollo13> via nagios? sure I use ssh tunnels :)
[12:12] <bludog_anchorite> more than just an allowed host list ?
[12:13] <bludog_anchorite> do you just install nagios on each, or can you set it up so one box collects data from many hosts
[12:22] <apollo13> bludog_anchorite: the later
[13:32] <dkn> need help with my raid-6, i just did a clean sudo reboot now and mdadm isn't  showing the array anymore
[13:34] <dkn> i have one device from the array showing in cat /proc/mdstat, as md_d4 and it's one of the disks but none of the others.... if i try to assemble the array leaving that one out, i get a new array (unstarted), but all the disks show has (S)
[13:39] <dkn> am i going to lose all the data if i do that?
[13:51] <Malcor> Hello, could I get some help with Ubuntu Server please, if anyone is free that is.
[13:52] <ersi> Ask your question, instead of asking to ask
[13:52] <ersi> I'm not sure I can help, maybe someone else can though.
[13:52] <Malcor> Ok didn't want to anoy anyone lol
[13:53] <ersi> this isn't really a high traffic channel, so it's fine
[13:53] <Martyn> morning
[13:53] <ersi> mornin'
[13:54]  * Martyn is having fun putting onieric on a testbed platform this morning
[13:54] <Martyn> I'm surprised to see any activity at all today :)
[13:54] <Malcor> I have has a big switch around at home and I cant access my samba shares, so now I am shutting it all down. I need to copy the files from my samba shares to the mounted USB Drive I have plugged into the server. I have no Idea how to do this
[13:55] <Malcor> I cant access the samba shares from another computer, otherwise I would of copied the stuff of there that way
[13:55] <ersi> if you type 'mount', do you see your usb stick mounted already?
[13:55] <Martyn> so you're trying to copy the information locally then .. the USB drive is connected to the same machine that has the shared information?
[13:57] <Malcor> ersi, Yes the drive is mounted and Martyn yes that is what I am trying to do
[13:57] <patdk-lap> is your samba share mounted?
[13:58] <Malcor> patdk-lap, I am not sure, I know the samba server is running
[13:58] <patdk-lap> you mounted the usb stick on the samba server?
[13:58] <Malcor> no to the machine
[13:59] <patdk-lap> then you need something like
[13:59] <patdk-lap> mount -t smbfs //sambaserver/share/ /mntpoint -o username=user,password=pass
[14:00] <Malcor> will I need to shut the samba server down first?
[14:01] <patdk-lap> heh?
[14:01] <patdk-lap> you plugged the usb drive into the server running samba?
[14:01] <Martyn> seems so
[14:01] <Malcor> yes
[14:01] <Martyn> rsync will be your friend now
[14:01] <patdk-lap> well, shutting down the samba server is mostly optional, but would be nicer if you did :)
[14:01] <patdk-lap> service samba stop
[14:02] <patdk-lap> or service smbd stop
[14:02] <patdk-lap> depending on your version
[14:02] <patdk-lap> then, rsync :)
[14:03] <patdk-lap> rsync -av /samba/share/location/ /media/usbstick
[14:03] <Martyn> rsync copies files with attributes, usernames, and symbolic links intact.
[14:03] <Martyn> patdk do you need "r" if you use av?
[14:03] <patdk-lap> and will give a crapload of warnings when going to a fat32 system
[14:03] <Martyn> or does 'a' already contain recursion?
[14:03] <patdk-lap> martyn, a includes just about everything
[14:03] <patdk-lap> except hardlinks
[14:07] <Malcor> Think I've got it, fingers crossed
[14:08] <Malcor> Time will tell, its listing everything in the shares
[14:11] <dkn> ok.... so i stopped, and then removed the md_d4, -stopped and removed my new assembled array, then went into the disk manager gui, pressed start on the original array, and it worked!!!
[14:11] <dkn> i'm happy, but terrified to reboot now
[14:12] <dkn> why would blkid not return a line for /dev/md3, but i can find the UUID in mdadm --detail??
[15:00] <elz89> Hey all, I am having a video problem when installing Oneiric. It does not recognise the video mode 314 and when I try others, the display is skewd. I have come across this before, and I think it means that it is not compatable anymore?
[15:12] <awanti> hi i am new to linux. I have some question can any one explain me about this. "Linux is providing hacking tools, is the data is secured in linux. if yes how it will work again that hacking tools".
[15:14] <hguy> awanti: data is safe - hacking tools exist on all platforms
[15:15] <elz89> I thought this channel was for Ubuntu Server Support, not crackerling :-P *gigglez*
[15:15] <awanti> how its for business organizations. plz. could u explain me.
[15:17] <elz89> awanti: I do not understand your question.
[15:21] <awanti> since hacking tools are available in opens source, how linux os could be used to secure business organizations data.
[15:21] <awanti> since business orgs. looks for security of their data.
[15:23] <elz89> awanti: Get a decent firewall...etc...
[15:24] <awanti> yes your right. Now i gotit  Thank you elz89
[16:05] <elz89> Did anyone see my video related matter from earlier?
[19:31] <boxybrown> hey
[19:31] <boxybrown> anyone around?
[19:31] <boxybrown> I've been trying to get sssd authentication working
[19:31] <boxybrown> and it looks like it broke my local user logins
[19:32] <boxybrown> It won't let my administrator user login, or perform sudo (I currently have an open session but sudo wont work in it...)
[19:34] <qman__> boxybrown, only way to fix that is to boot single user or a live disc and revert the pam configuration files
[19:35] <qman__> consider this lesson learned, whenever you mess with pam, leave a root terminal open until you're sure it's good
[19:35] <boxybrown> qman__: ok... Weird thing is I didnt' really mess with any PAM stuff.  I just did an apt-get install pam-sss, and played around with sssd configuration files
[19:36] <boxybrown> qman__: I have a "root" terminal open, but I still need to sudo
[19:36] <boxybrown> since theres no real root user in ubuntu
[19:36] <qman__> then it's not a root terminal
[19:36] <boxybrown> how doyou get a root terminal in ubuntu
[19:36] <qman__> sudo -i
[19:36] <boxybrown> okay
[19:37] <boxybrown> this still seems broken that installing an ubuntu package can break login
[19:37] <qman__> it is, I'd report a bug against it if you're sure your changes to sssd didn't cause it
[19:38] <qman__> in any case, merely installing a new authentication method shouldn't disable the other ones
[19:38] <boxybrown> exactly
[19:45] <boxybrown> huh
[19:45] <boxybrown> a reboot fixed it
[19:45] <boxybrown> wtf
[19:48] <boxybrown> okay. So if sssd_pam is enabled, and the sssd daemon is NOT running, it breaks local login and sudo...
[19:48] <boxybrown> wtf...
[19:51] <boxybrown> qman__: thanks for the sudo -i tip
[20:09]  * hguy tried oneiric for a home server and shortly went back to lucid
[20:17] <tiphares> when copying something to my current dest
[20:17] <tiphares> is there an easier way of doing that, than having to type in my current dest manualyl?
[20:18] <qman__> if you mean the current directory, it's .
[20:18] <tiphares> with name of the file etc
[20:18] <tiphares> oh
[20:18] <tiphares> thanks :)
[20:18] <tiphares> worked
[20:18] <qman__> .. is parent, and ~ is home
[20:18] <tiphares> never thought of using it that way :)
[22:08] <Gasseus> I'm having an issue booting my ubuntu server after an upgrade. From the looks of it, it is trying to fsck /dev/sda1 (/boot), which is already mounted. How do I go about correcting this?
[23:14] <sjefen6> I just installed ubuntu server on an old celeron computer and it gives me the terminal with white background and black text with an unreadable font
[23:15] <sjefen6> like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-MGoQGtK1A
[23:19] <sjefen6> how can I get something human readable?
[23:22] <shauno> this is probably horrible advice, and closer to duct tape than a fix, but I've found setting /etc/init.d/console-setup to unreadable/unexecutable has vastly improved the font on a couple of older boxes
[23:23] <shauno> I never bothered tracking down what the actual cause was; they're firewalls, and don't need a screen after day 1
[23:23] <patdk-lap> depends on ubuntu version
[23:23] <patdk-lap> but these days it turns on graphics mode
[23:23] <sjefen6> same case, I installed ssh during setup so monitor will never be needed
[23:23] <patdk-lap> where older ones didn't
[23:23] <sjefen6> 11.10
[23:24] <patdk-lap> could try telling the kernel/grub not to use grpahics
[23:24] <sjefen6> is that a setting in a conf file?
[23:24] <patdk-lap> you can add it into /etc/default/grub
[23:25] <patdk-lap> nomodeset is the kernel param I believe
[23:25] <patdk-lap> forget the grub one
[23:25] <patdk-lap> I have some machines that need it or I get nothing at all on the screen
[23:26] <sjefen6> grub is clearly visable during boot. will try it
[23:27] <sjefen6> I could not find nomodeset in /etc/default/grub
[23:27] <patdk-lap> you shouldn't :)
[23:27] <patdk-lap> that is why you would have to add it
[23:28] <patdk-lap> ah, GRUB_TERMINAL=console keeps grub from using graphics
[23:28] <patdk-lap> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[23:28] <patdk-lap> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[23:29] <sjefen6> the 2 last one I see. Is setting them sufficient or should I add "GRUB_TERMINAL=console"
[23:30] <sjefen6> read wrong, I see
[23:30] <patdk-lap> dunno, you would have to try :)
[23:31] <patdk-lap> for me, it's a server, it will probably never have a console on it, except if it went really wrong
[23:31] <patdk-lap> so graphics at all is pointless to me
[23:33] <sjefen6> looks like its a fix
[23:33] <sjefen6> yep, worked like a charm
[23:54] <elz89> sjefen6: I was having the same problem as you earlier on a fresh install of 11.10
[23:54] <elz89> How did you fix the problem in the end?
[23:54] <elz89> The machine i'm using is very old, and I had feared hardware incompatability...
[23:55] <sjefen6> modefyng GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" and adding GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub
[23:56] <sjefen6> and then running update-grub as told in /etc/default/grub


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[11:25] <boolman> how can I force netplan on cloudinit?
[11:33] <meena> boolman: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html#network-configuration-outputs it's default on Ubuntu 17.10
[11:34] <meena> boolman: but you can override the default: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html#network-output-policy
[11:34] <meena> of course, that would require that the binaries be in place… and that netplan can render for whatever the backend is, that your OS actually supports.
[11:35] <meena> Netplan currently works with these supported renderers
[11:35] <meena>     NetworkManager
[11:35] <meena>     Systemd-networkd
[13:08] <shibumi> Hi can somebody explain me this error here? udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo fails with No such file or directory
[13:08] <shibumi> The error message is at this location: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/13e82554728b1cb524438163784e5b955c7c5ed0/cloudinit/net/netplan.py#L256
[14:20] <Odd_Bloke> shibumi: What version of cloud-init are you using, and on what distro?
[15:23] <rharper> shibumi: looks like your OS/kernel does not provide a loopback network interface
[15:27] <boolman> im trying to get cloudinit to work on vmware, but it works like 1/10 of the time. other times it either doesnt even get the user/metadata or configures the network to late. different hosts each time. seems so random.
[15:28] <boolman> should mention that im deploying with terraform
[15:37] <rharper> boolman: hi;  vmware + cloud-init is not in a great spot;  this is a known issue;  there are some discussions with VMWare cloud-init devs to work on supporting user-data, network-config and vmware customization;
[15:41] <boolman> rharper: okey, so just not do it is the current solution?
[15:50] <rharper> boolman: well it depends on what "mode" you're using; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1806133
[15:51] <shibumi> Odd_Bloke: arch linux
[15:51] <shibumi> Odd_Bloke: newest release
[15:51] <shibumi> Odd_Bloke: cloud-init 19.3
[15:51] <shibumi> Odd_Bloke: maybe a bug in the new arch linux implementation for cloud-init?
[15:51] <shibumi> rharper: it should..i have no idea what's going on
[15:53] <rharper> shibumi: me neither; I don't know what creates the initial loopback interface; I was fairly certain the kernel itself does this;
[15:53] <rharper> which made me wonder what kernel was in use
[15:55] <boolman> rharper: not sure what you mean, Im deploying a regular vm template, without vmware customization
[15:55] <rharper> OVF has many places it "fetches" configuration from
[15:56] <boolman> im not using OVF atleast
[15:56] <rharper> then IMC ?
[15:57] <boolman> Im not following, Ive manually installed a ubuntu bionic from cd, installed cloudinit and vmware's cloudinit guestinfo package. converted to template.
[15:57] <rharper> if you like, you can run cloud-init collect-logs and the tarball will have info we look at what's going on;  it may be a known issue, or it could be a new one
[15:58] <rharper> when you boot the template cloud-init needs a datasource; on VMware platforms, this is typically OVF;
[15:58] <boolman> https://github.com/vmware/cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo
[15:58] <rharper> the platform provides to the guest 1) an iso OVF format 2) OVF in the filesystem of the guest  3) vmware customization config in the filesystem of the guest
[15:58] <rharper> we don't support that
[15:59] <rharper> it's out of tree;  if VMware wanted to contribute that to cloud-init; that'd be nice
[15:59] <rharper> it has 9 issues; maybe one of them is relevant ?
[15:59] <rharper> https://github.com/vmware/cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo/issues/5
[16:01] <boolman> no that doesnt seem relevant to my problem
[18:35] <johnsonshi> Hi guys, I am trying to configure an Azure VM so that its per-boot scripts would persist across 'cloud-init clean -lr' invocations. I have dropped some scripts into /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot, but when I issue cloud-init clean -lr, the scripts are not executed, and when I look into the per-boot scripts directory, it is empty. The cloud-init.log file also makes no mention of executing any script within the per-boot directory. That means
[18:35] <johnsonshi> somehow per-boot directory gets cleaned when cloud-init clean -lr runs.
[18:36] <johnsonshi> The docs mention that "Any scripts in the scripts/per-boot directory on the datasource will be run every time the system boots." does that mean that in order to configure per-boot scripts, I would need to configure the datasource (which in this case is the Azure datasource (since this is an Azure VM))
[18:52] <Odd_Bloke> johnsonshi: `cloud-init clean` cleans out all of /var/lib/cloud (by design).  Perhaps changing your process to put those scripts in place _after_ you clean would work?
[19:00] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: I have just discovered that the write_files module runs first (during the first stage of cloud-init), while the per-boot module runs in the last module. I will try that out instead. Thanks!
[19:01] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: Perhaps I could get write-files to write the scripts into the per-boot directory.
[19:19] <Odd_Bloke> I believe that would work.
[21:20] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: rharper: The updated release process doc/script: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/pull/37
[21:21] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Can you point me at the template Trello board?  I want to be 100% sure I'm modifying the correct thing. :p
[21:21] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: https://trello.com/b/QQYFXpsA/template-sru-cloud-init-xy
[21:21] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[21:21] <blackboxsw> no prob


[12:36] <Mate> hi. how could i get debug symbols for upstart=1.5-0ubuntu7.2? it's missing from precise-updates on ddebs.ubuntu.com (but arm* is there)
[18:03] <bladernr`> anyone around?
[18:03] <bladernr`> What should I file a bug against for the live USB environment?
[18:03] <bladernr`> specifically, persistent storage doesn't seem to work on my 14.04 USB stick
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: interesting one
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: possibly casper
[18:04] <bladernr_> davmor2: yeah, it kinda sucks... I spent 2 hours installing packages to one only to find out they all disappeared after I reboot :(
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: but maybe have a word with cyphermox
[18:05] <bladernr_> cyphermox estas aqui?
[18:05] <bladernr_> davmor2: I will have pie next month.
[18:05] <davmor2> bladernr_: did you do a persistent install, it might be that the usb installer screwed up
[18:05] <cyphermox> sí
[18:05] <davmor2> bladernr_: oh why you in London
[18:06] <cyphermox> bladernr_: how did you setup that usb stick>
[18:06] <bladernr_> I created it using usb-creator-gtk (Startup Disk Creator) and specified a 4GB persistent file (on a 16GB stick) and the installation appeared successful (I can boot it and do stuff)
[18:07] <cyphermox> was usb-creator up to date, and which version of usb-creator? I think I remember something about this recently?
[18:07] <bladernr_> So as above, after that, I booted from it, installed a ton of stuff, rebooted and the ton of stuff was gone.
[18:07] <bladernr_> ummm hold on.
[18:07] <bladernr_> Yeah, according to apt-cache, <IP_ADDRESS> from trusty-updates
[18:08] <cyphermox> yeah, might be broken
[18:08] <cyphermox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.2.66
[18:09] <cyphermox> I'll try to get the SRU soon for the persistence part, guessing you're booting in EFI
[18:09] <bladernr_> Ahhh... interesting.  I did boot in EFI mode
[18:09] <davmor2> bladernr_: fancy not knowing that do you not just sit there all day reading bug reports ;)
[18:09] <cyphermox> it's easy to check, in the grub menu verify whether you have 'persistent' set as a command-line parameter for the kernel
[18:11] <davmor2> bladernr_: man just as well I know cyphermox rocks right ;)
[18:12] <bladernr_> cyphermox: where would that be on the live stick?  etc/grub.d?  in which case there's no instance of "persistent" in any boot option.
[18:13] <bladernr_> davmor2: I know he does
[18:13] <cyphermox> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:13] <bladernr_> davmor2: he works harder than the two of us combined
[18:13] <bladernr_> ^^ that's not saying much
[18:13] <bladernr_> cyphermox: no such thing.
[18:13] <cyphermox> oops
[18:14] <cyphermox> ok, hold on :)
[18:14] <davmor2> bladernr_: I have to break his stuff to you know
[18:14] <bladernr_> come on now, we know you just use a bunch of shell scripts for that ;-)
[18:14] <davmor2> bladernr_: I wish
[18:15] <bladernr_> sudo ./do_daily_work.sh --time 8h --user davmor2 --no-interrupt-nap
[18:15] <davmor2> bladernr_: hahahahahahahaha love it
[18:17] <cyphermox> bladernr_: heh, I can't find it either right now, but I also didn't use usb-creator to make this usb key
[18:18] <bladernr_> cyphermox: no worries... to double check, I'll do it the hard way (reboot and examine them from the menu then)
[18:20] <cyphermox> looks like usb-creator would mangle any *.cfg in boot/grub
[18:21] <bladernr_> damn... I could have just looked at /proc/cmdline too.
[18:21] <bladernr_> :/
[18:23] <bladernr_> in any case, when I boot the EFI launcher, the grub menu does not include 'persist' in the kernel boot options.  After booting the Legacy loader instead, /proc/cmdline DOES show persistent in the options.  I'll try again that way :)
[18:23] <bladernr_> cyphermox: ^^
[18:23] <cyphermox> you mean in non-EFI?
[18:23] <cyphermox> that's expected
[18:24] <bladernr_> yeah, non-EFI
[18:24] <cyphermox> right
[18:24] <cyphermox> gfxboot-theme-ubuntu does add it, but only just before starting the kernel, that's why you don't see it in F6
[18:24] <bladernr_> yep, I thought as much.  the boot menu on this server gives me both options so I'd been booting in EFI until now.
[18:25] <cyphermox> like I said, it's a matter of preparing the SRU for that fix from Yu Ning
[18:25] <cyphermox> in the meantime, you can add 'persistent' yourself unless it's lots more work
[18:25] <davmor2> bladernr_: so you in london I don't think you did answer me
[18:25] <cyphermox> ... or edit whatever file is in boot/grub/*.cfg to add it there, should be enough to convince things to work
[18:27] <bladernr_> cyphermox: ok... thanks!
[18:28] <bladernr_> davmor2: on the way back from a sprint in early May I'm doing an overnight layover in London.  Staying out by LHR but gonna come into the city for a while to do ... stuff... not sure what yet.  There will be Pie... and likely Filipino or Curry... not sure yet.
[18:30] <roadmr> curry pie
[18:31] <bladernr_> roadmr: there IS that...
[18:31] <roadmr> yum :)
[18:31] <bladernr_> Now if only we could have sprints in Montreal again... I miss the good Poutine.
[18:31] <bladernr_> and smoked meat.
[18:35] <pieter2627> How would new peeps get involved in solving bugs (specifically papercuts as described on the bugsquad wiki)?
[20:00] <brendand> bladernr_, you want *really* good asian food
[20:01] <brendand> bladernr_, the place - http://www.tayyabs.co.uk/
[20:01] <brendand> bladernr_, - you *will* need to queue :)!


[06:14] <palasso> Hello, is there an RSS/Atom feed for this blog: https://snapcraft.io/blog ?
[06:56] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:00] <mvo> pstolowski: hey, good morning
[07:41] <mvo> pedronis: can I merge 5474 (the single task-runner PR) or does someone else should look at it first? it got two +1 now
[07:41] <pstolowski> yay!
[07:42] <pstolowski> mvo, would you have a moment to take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5433 (it's simple)?
[07:42] <mup> PR #5433: interfaces/repo: added AllHotplugInterfaces helper <Simple> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5433>
[07:45] <mvo> pstolowski: sure, let me do this now
[07:56] <pstolowski> mvo: thanks!
[07:57] <pedronis> mvo: yes, can be merged, yes I will do a couple follow ups to see how it feelds to make some of those now often empty methods optional
[08:03] <pstolowski> merged
[08:04] <mvo> pedronis: \o/
[08:05] <mvo> hm, I want mup back
[08:07] <pstolowski> hmm indeed what happened to it?
[08:10] <Chipaca> mo'in
[08:16] <mvo> pstolowski: it got disabled when github was acting up some days ago
[08:17] <pstolowski> i see
[08:18] <mvo> a second review for 5542 would be great
[08:25] <Chipaca> mvo: +1
[08:26] <pedronis> github is a bit unresponsive for me today
[08:27] <Chipaca> pedronis: it's the universe way of telling you to head to hr.canonical.com and ask for the day off
[08:27] <pedronis> Chipaca: I have things to do also in gdocs, which work, too bad
[08:27] <pedronis> (and the forum as well)
[08:27] <Chipaca> pedronis: *that*'s the universe's way of saying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOPBP9vuZA
[08:30] <Chipaca> pedronis: it's the week after next that you're away for two weeks, right?
[08:31] <pedronis> yes
[08:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok
[08:31] <pedronis> from the 31st to be precise
[08:31] <pedronis> I'll be around Monday 30
[08:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: ack
[08:36] <Chipaca> filed go-flags#264 fwiw
[08:36]  * Chipaca hoped mup would point that to https://github.com/jessevdk/go-flags/issues/264 but, alas
[10:05] <kjackal> Hello snappy people! I facing a problem with building snaps from launchpad (LP) builders. I have a single snap, named microk8s, and I would like to release to edge from the code's master branch and to track 1.10/edge  from the code's  1.10 branch. I first created a snap for the master->edge path, but then when I select the 1.10 code branch and click "Create a new snap package" in the snap "Name: " I have to use the name "microk8s"
[10:05] <kjackal> again and this errors with "There is already a snap package owned by microk8s developers with this name."
[10:07] <kjackal> So, same snap release with LP builders from different code branches to different tracks is where I am loosing it.
[10:08] <kjackal> Should I go to the forum or is there something obvious I am missing?
[10:10] <kjackal> Let me ask on #launchpad as well
[10:18] <cjwatson> I've answered on #launchpad.
[10:19] <kjackal> thanks cjwatson
[10:29] <pedronis> Chipaca: mvo: I think I never noticed but it seems you cannot edit very old posts (that are not wikis) even as original author.
[10:35] <mvo> pedronis: interessting, I did not notice that yet
[10:38] <Chipaca> pedronis: do you have an example?
[10:39] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, I was trying to update: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/transactionality-locking-and-other-concurrency-coordination/50
[10:39] <pedronis> no edit button for me
[10:40] <Chipaca> pedronis: hmm, I see an edit button
[10:40] <pedronis> Chipaca: remember you have more powers than me
[10:40] <Chipaca> pedronis: but I need to expand the options to see it
[10:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: that is: to the left of Reply I see like, link, and ellipsis
[10:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: click the ellipsis, and in there i have edit
[10:41] <pedronis> no ellispsis for me
[10:41] <pedronis> I'm talking about the top post to be clear
[10:41] <Chipaca> yep yep
[10:42] <Chipaca> pedronis: and if i make it a wiki? would that help?
[10:42] <pedronis> Chipaca: not sure,   does the top post and the last makes sense?  do we fear people only reading the top one and being confused because SetBlocked is going away?
[10:43] <Chipaca> pedronis: if this is meant to document the topic, having half in the top and half at the bottom doesn't work, if that's what you're asking
[10:44] <pedronis> Chipaca: yea, that's what I fear,  the top post sounds very descriptive/prescriptive, not narrative of a moment in time
[10:44] <Chipaca> pedronis: if you reload, does it now let you edit?
[10:45] <pedronis> no
[10:45] <Chipaca> pedronis: and now
[10:46] <pedronis> yes
[10:46] <pedronis> you turned it into a wiki?
[10:46] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok. let me know if you want me to dewoke it
[10:46] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes. It's a reversible operation, and i can't make you admin, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:46] <pedronis> Chipaca: I have an errand very soon but I can tweak it after
[10:46] <pedronis> and see from there
[10:47] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok
[10:47] <Chipaca> pedronis: I've got to go to the boys' school in a bit, and i might not be back online before your eod (but i'll be on later)
[10:47] <Chipaca> in fact i'm late!
[10:47]  * Chipaca runs
[10:49] <pstolowski> mvo: hey, i'm hitting core18 failure in my disconnect-hooks branch, and i'm most likely doing something wrong in the new world. the problem i've is disconnect failure - "Disconnect core:core-support-plug from snapd:core-support (internal error: connection "core:core-support-plug snapd:core-support" not found in state)". i'm probably missing some sort of remapping in the new code; any hints?
[10:51] <mvo> pstolowski: hm, this has the latest master?
[10:51] <mvo> zyga: -^
[10:51] <pstolowski> mvo: well, yes, but it's my branch with master changes merged
[10:51] <mvo> pstolowski: hm, hm, I need to look at this
[10:51] <pstolowski> mvo: so very likely something i'm not doinf or doing wrong
[10:52] <pstolowski> mvo: cause i've changed a lot wrt disconnects
[10:52] <mvo> pstolowski: or its a bug in the remapper
[10:52] <mvo> pstolowski: not unlikely as well
[10:53] <pstolowski> mvo: this is in code triggered on snap removals - i run "disconnect" tasks for all connections, and the handler expects connection in 'conns' in the state
[10:53] <pedronis> pstolowski: in theory getConns and setConns should do the job for you
[10:53] <pedronis> but I don't know if you have code by-passing them
[10:55]  * pedronis has some relatively quick errands now
[10:55] <pstolowski> pedronis: right; no, i'm not bypassing them
[11:00] <pstolowski> although, maybe my lookups on conns are invalid when it comes to snap names now? i've connection refs coming from repo; i look them up in conns retrieved via getConns()
[11:28] <pstolowski> ok, i suspect i need RemapSnapToState() as I look up manually constructed conn IDs .. testing
[12:53] <zyga> Hey
[12:53] <zyga> Sorry for not finishing the PR work last night mvo
[13:00] <mvo> zyga: good morning - now worries
[13:33] <thresh> does anyone know if mozilla plans to release asan-enabled firefox via snaps?
[14:11] <zyga> thresh: I don't know anything about that, perhaps popey knows
[14:50] <popey> Zyga. Sorry on vacation
[14:50] <popey> Kenvandine and willcooke  know about Mozilla things though
[15:13] <zyga> thanks
[15:34] <mbeneto> hi, has anybody seen kyrofa around lately?
[15:39] <mbeneto> or can anybody enable again the experimental channel "edge/classic-trusty"?
[15:40] <phocean> hi
[15:40] <phocean> any idea about this error when trying to launch a classic snap : "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks"
[15:40] <phocean> my guess is that it is an apparmor issue, but how to fix it ?
[15:41] <mbeneto> more details regarding the "edge/classic-trusty" channel here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/building-classic-snap-on-trusty-fails/5472/13
[15:41] <phocean> it happened after I uninstalled snapd by accident because of a dependencie, and then I reinstalled it
[15:48] <pstolowski> zyga ^
[16:32] <pedronis> pstolowski: the fix abour remapping still looks strange to me
[16:32] <pedronis> we are missing something
[16:42] <pedronis> mvo: we'll need to look into that ^
[16:45] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks for keeping an eye on this
[16:48] <pstolowski> i think i will leave it at this point and revisit after i'm back from vacation
[16:52] <mvo> pedronis: ok
[17:02] <pstolowski> see you o/
[17:14] <zyga> what's the issue about the remapping you were talking about?
[17:17] <pedronis> zyga: pawel is hitting strange bugs in his new code in disconnect-hooks, he added some strange remapping that doesn't make much sense on its own, either there's a bug in the remapping or the new code, either way we need to understand
[17:17] <pedronis> we don't have a unit test, only failing spread tests, that the remapping that I don't understand seeems to fix
[17:17] <zyga> pedronis: I see, ok
[17:18] <zyga> thanks, I'll talk to pawel next week
[17:18] <pedronis> pawel is off
[17:18] <pedronis> for two weeks
[17:18] <pedronis> we'll need to dig but not today
[17:22] <zyga> oooh
[17:23] <zyga> pedronis: yeah, I see
[17:23] <zyga> I will be off on Monday
[17:23] <zyga> but then I need to task switch to fedora
[17:23] <zyga> and then I plan a week of holidays
[17:23] <zyga> so my best bet is to just work with you next week but not in full capacity
[17:23] <zyga> so that this part is fully bullet-proof
[17:26] <pstolowski|off> pedronis, zyga, mvo now that i think of it, i suspect this bug would be hit with existing discard-conns, if we had proper test. discard-conns is pretty liberal right now. with disconnect-hooks i'm essentially doing what discard-conns does, only more strict
[17:27] <zyga> pstolowski|off: are we hitting the state manually there
[17:28] <zyga> because all of connection load/store code applies mappings
[17:30] <pstolowski|off> zyga: i get conns via getConns in doDisconnect() - something we didn't do before. and i do this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/TYDZc3v8dC/ based on plug/slot refs from disconnect command
[17:31] <pstolowski|off> (the remapping part is the part that pedronis commented on above - the suspicious bit)
[17:31] <zyga> interesting
[17:31] <zyga> I don't think you need that
[17:31] <zyga> you should not need that
[17:31] <zyga> I'll look next week
[17:31] <zyga> I'm a bit tired despite it being 1:30PM
[17:31] <pstolowski|off> zyga: without that it fails
[17:32] <zyga> I see
[17:32] <zyga> I'll look next week
[17:32] <pstolowski|off> with that - it passes
[17:32] <zyga> we have another meeting coming up now
[17:32] <pstolowski|off> at least passes the spread test i iterated on
[17:32] <pstolowski|off> zyga: sure, i'm really of now as well.
[17:32] <pstolowski|off> zyga: safe trips!
[17:32] <zyga> thank you :)
[17:33] <mvo> pstolowski|off: enjoy your time off!
[17:33] <pstolowski|off> thanks!
[17:33] <mvo> zyga: and safe travels for you
[17:33] <zyga> thank you guys
[17:33] <zyga> enjoy your weekends with your families
[17:33] <zyga> I'll check if my legs fit :)
[18:18] <thiras> hello
[18:18] <thiras> gnome's default calculator doesn't start
[18:19] <thiras> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TXBY2nskGz/
[18:19] <thiras> here is the error log
[18:19] <thiras> i'm really get sick of this permission denied errors (i've experienced few more of them and solved with re-installing the snap packages)
[18:20] <thiras> it's 18.04
[23:34] <bmath> Hi all, having some trouble with snaps after a kernel upgrade.  Getting an error about how ptrace was denied in syslog.  I checked the apparmor config file and it looks like that capability should be allowed.  Is there a kernel setting I need to enable?
[23:49] <zyga> bmath: hey, can you please provide the output of "snap version"
[23:49] <zyga> bmath: since I'm boarding soon I won't be able to assist you please open a forum topic at forum.snapcraft.io and reference me there with @zyga syntax
[23:50] <zyga> bmath: ideally please also include the name of the snap that causes the issue and the output of `dmesg | grep DENIED`
[23:50] <zyga> bmath: I'll be here for a few more moments but expect any answers from me on Tuesday, I have a long way home and I will rest a little