[03:36] <Blissex> Eddie: but you might want to run now just 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[03:36] <Blissex> claude: almost surely not.
[03:36] <claude> Blissex: Ok ty
[03:36] <_andy> does anybody know how to increase the dpi in ubuntu?
[03:36] <benplaut> _andy: on a printer?
[03:37] <Blissex> _andy: what do you mean? There are several DPIs in the system. Also, such things are not Ubuntu specific.
[03:37] <_andy> on the screen...
[03:37] <_andy> lcd screen
[03:37] <_andy> so i don
[03:37] <benplaut> _andy: resolution, then
[03:37] <_andy> yea
[03:37] <_andy> i don't want to go blind
[03:37] <Blissex> _andy: LCDs have fixed DPI.
[03:37] <benplaut> ubotu tell _andy about xserver
[03:37] <_andy> wait, but i can change t hem in windows
[03:37] <benplaut> with (right clikc on desktop)>Properties>advanced?
[03:38] <Blissex> _andy: and changing that in MS Windows is changing the DPI of the fonts, not that of the screen.
[03:38] <Blissex> _andy: and even that is wrong, because the DPI should be set exactly to that of the screen and then the font size should be changed.
[03:38] <Eddie> umm, Blissex, which parts of "upgradeNotes" should I do?
[03:38] <_andy> so i should go blind!
[03:39] <Blissex> Eddie: the "post-upgrade" bit.
[03:39] <benplaut> _andy: we all have :P
[03:39] <redtech> what are the proper parallel settings?
[03:39] <benplaut> anyone here know anything about e16 on gnome?
[03:39] <[CJ] fLaRg3> _andy: change the font sizes
[03:39] <Blissex> _andy: too much masturbation is common :-)
[03:39] <DonL> haha
[03:39] <Blissex> _andy: open the control panel and change the default font sizes, to something like 12 points.
[03:40] <Blissex> _andy: similarly for Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird, which set their own font sizes.
[03:40] <Eddie> um, it returned:
[03:40] <Eddie> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:40] <Eddie> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:40] <Blissex> Eddie: you have to exit from 'synaptic'
[03:40] <Zaren> does any one know how to get an ibook g3 (currently equipped with Mac OS 9) to boot from the ubuntu cd?
[03:40] <Eddie> oh ok
[03:41] <Eddie> E: Broken packages
[03:41] <Eddie> :/
[03:41] <Blissex> Eddie: then do 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop'
[03:41] <benplaut> Zaren: try holding down C while booting
[03:41] <benplaut> i read that somewhere...
[03:41] <claude> Blissex: I have loaded the new module emu10k1 but I still have no sound card in /proc/asound/cards :S
[03:41] <Blissex> claude: then it is not supported yet...
[03:41] <crimsun> claude: does cat /proc/asound/version show 1.0.8?
[03:41] <Eddie> E: Broken packages
[03:41] <Eddie> :/
[03:42] <Blissex> Eddie: which ones?
[03:42] <claude> crimsun: 1.06
[03:42] <Zaren> benplaut: AWESOM! it worked, thanks!
[03:42] <Blissex> claude: that means you have a very very old kernel.
[03:42] <Eddie> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:42] <Eddie>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support but it is not going to be installed
[03:42] <Eddie> E: Broken packages
[03:42] <claude> Blissex: Just did a fresh new install of 5.04 Oo
[03:42] <Blissex> claude: whats the kernel version?
[03:42] <cefx> Anyone know what the command is to get WineCVS.sh ?
[03:43] <Blissex> claude: 'uname -r'
[03:43] <benplaut> Zaren: thanks for the info... i need to install on a few imacs tomorrow and i was wondering aboiut that :P
[03:43] <benplaut> !imac
[03:43] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[03:43] <claude> Blissex: 2.6.10-5-386
[03:43] <Blissex> Eddie: then just do 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base kubuntu-desktop'
[03:43] <_andy> anybody know how to increase the font sizes in Konversation?
[03:43] <jeff303> hey does anyone know how to kill a fullscreen app which has frozen itself, short of restarting gnome?
[03:43] <blakamin> yay
[03:43] <Blissex> _andy: with the KDE configuration panel... Ask in #Konversation too.
[03:44] <scythe> jeff, can you still get to a cmd line?
[03:44] <hondje> jeff303: xkill if you can alt-f2 to get a run dialog, or else ctrl-alt-f1 to a terminal, and pkill -9 <app name>
[03:44] <jeff303> well I got to something (not sure what) by doing Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:44] <Eddie> thank you very much Blissex
[03:44] <jeff303> yeah ok I did that, killed from that terminal
[03:44] <jeff303> then pressed Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to my desktop
[03:44] <hondje> :)
[03:44] <Blissex> Eddie: the problem with 'mozilla-firefox-gnome-support' is probably due to not entirely correct sources lists...
[03:45] <jeff303> except it was still stuck at the lower resolution and nothing would work
[03:45] <claude> Blissex: Should I try to update my kernel ?
[03:45] <blakamin> blissex: i have missed everything you sent me for hours due to my identity being stolen by ..um..me
[03:45] <Blissex> claude: yes, straightaway
[03:45] <Eddie> Blissex, so would I fix that?
[03:45] <DukGalNamu> how do i get two monitor support for my ati card?
[03:45] <claude> Blissex: Any tips on how to do that ? :)
[03:45] <Blissex> Eddie: for now, just pass over it.
[03:45] <Eddie> ok
[03:45] <Blissex> claude: with 'synaptic' for example.
[03:46] <claude> Blissex: Oh didn't see that kernel is in that too sry
[03:46] <Blissex> claude: and look for the 'kernel-image' package for 2.6.12 etc.
[03:46] <Eddie> Blissex, this isn't related to linux but, when I first partitioned for linux it was more, experimental, how can I add space to the partition without formatting?
[03:46] <Blissex> Eddie: note very advisable unless you have backups...
[03:46] <DukGalNamu> dpkg reconfigure used to allow me to select a second monitor, now it skims over that part..
[03:46] <Eddie> oh
[03:46] <eliUbuntu> can you open a cwk with some program in linux?
[03:46] <Blissex> Eddie: if the partition is 'ext3', you can use a tool called 'ext2resize'
[03:46] <hondje> What's a cwk?
[03:46] <Eddie> so I'll have to stick with the ammount of space I have or format
[03:47] <DonL> Eddie, get rid of whatever else you have and reinstall Ubuntu
[03:47] <DonL> lol
[03:47] <Eddie> ya it's ext3
[03:47] <eliUbuntu> its a appleworks file apparently
[03:47] <Blissex> Eddie: how large is your root partition?
[03:47] <hondje> oh....I can't remember how I did that the one time I did
[03:47] <jeff303> are there any keyboard shortcuts that can work in a fullscreen app, either to kill the window or return to the desktop?  so far I haven't found any that work
[03:47] <Eddie> only 120gb, but I'm ganna install another 80gb soon
[03:47] <DukGalNamu> hello?
[03:47] <hondje> jeff303: depends on the application
[03:48] <Syco54645> for the future if i were going to recompile my kernel, what would i need to enable for it? is there a guide for this because my cdroms and harddisks dma doesnt work (in the live cd) but i am asusming that it wont work with the default kernel because they never did in any other distro... i must have some weird ide chipset
[03:48] <claude> Blissex: In Synaptic when I search for kernel-image i just find kernel-image -netbootable
[03:48] <Blissex> claude: I think I got confused with Debian...
[03:48] <DukGalNamu> someone please respond to me
[03:49] <Eddie> Blissex, do I want kdm or gdm?
[03:49] <Blissex> Eddie: for KDE, KDM.
[03:49] <scythe> syco, edit your /etc/hdparm.config file to get your cdrom dma working
[03:49] <crimsun> claude: did you follow those instructions I gave you for alsa-source?
[03:49] <Eddie> thanks
[03:49] <claude> crimsun: yup
[03:49] <crimsun> claude: alsa-source gives you 1.0.8.
[03:49] <Syco54645> scythe i know that, but i get a invalid command when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom1
[03:50] <Blissex> DukGalNamu: if you repeat your questions, repeat it in its entirely, but not more often than every 5-10 minutes.
[03:50] <crimsun> claude: dpkg -l alsa-modules\*|grep ^ii
[03:50] <claude> crimsun: I tried but i'm still on 1.0.6 :S
[03:50] <Syco54645> same thing i used to get back with gentoo and mandrake
[03:50] <scythe> try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc instead
[03:50] <Blissex> crimsun: 'alsa-modules' usually is for 2.4.x kernels.
[03:50] <_andy> is there a shortcut key to change the view to detail?
[03:50] <Syco54645> scythe ok i will try it
[03:50] <claude> crimsun: done nothing happened
[03:50] <mebaran151> my cdrom wont let me enable dma
[03:50] <mebaran151> pretty sure it can do it
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> Blissex: not sure what you mean by that exactly...
[03:51] <mebaran151> it is a sony dru900a
[03:51] <scythe> is that internal??
[03:51] <claude> crimsun: no output message
[03:51] <Syco54645> scythe i just need to wait for this dvd to finish burning, it is going at .5x so it is taking a bit of time
[03:51] <mebaran151> any ideas
[03:51] <crimsun> claude: then you didn't install the deb you created with those instructions I gave you.
[03:51] <crimsun> claude: ls /usr/src/modules/*.deb
[03:51] <scythe> ahhh, np, its just a suggestion anyways
[03:52] <mebaran151> it tells me the operation is not permitted
[03:52] <scythe> mebaran151, is that an internal drive?
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> i need to enable two monitor support, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask for a second monitor setup, i a, wondering what i should do, i am using an ati card
[03:52] <Blissex> claude: the kernel packages are called 'linux-image', the latest for Hoeary is 2.6.11
[03:52] <mebaran151> scythe, yeah
[03:52] <mebaran151> it reads fine
[03:52] <Syco54645> mebaran151, are you trying to get dma enabled?
[03:52] <claude> crimsun: /usr/src/modules/alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[03:52] <scythe> what is the command your using?
[03:52] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:52] <claude> Blissex: Ok thanks
[03:52] <mebaran151> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[03:53] <Syco54645> mebaran151, it is because the
[03:53] <mebaran151> (hda is my cdrom drive)
[03:53] <Eddie> Blissex, should I do ``apt-get install kubuntu-desktop''
[03:53] <scythe> you have your cd rom as primary master?? or aliased that way??
[03:53] <crimsun> claude: sudo dpkg -i /usr/src/modules/alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[03:53] <Blissex> Eddie: that was the goal of the whole operation, so do it.
[03:53] <Syco54645> mebaran151 and scythe it is because the kernel isnt set up for it, there is a conflicting kernel module for the chipset that you have... i had the same problem
[03:53] <DukGalNamu> holy crap!!!!
[03:53] <GhostFreeman> you could also do "apt get kubuntu-base" to get it without the krap
[03:53] <mebaran151> Syco54645, ahhhhh
[03:53] <mebaran151> I have an nforce4
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> doal monitor support is already there
[03:54] <claude> crimsun: ok done
[03:54] <mebaran151> could this effect my cdrom seeking as well?
[03:54] <Syco54645> mebaran151, ide chipset that is
[03:54] <Eddie> ok, it says it's already there, now I just restart?
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> ...
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> hmm
[03:54] <mebaran151> it wont seek through audio cd's
[03:54] <Syco54645> mebaran151, sorry if i was vauge
[03:54] <mebaran151> hmmm I might do a fresh compile
[03:54] <crimsun> claude: now cat /proc/asound/version should show 1.0.8
[03:54] <mebaran151> Syco54645, yeah
[03:54] <Blissex> Eddie: yes, as GhostFreeman says, 'kubuntu-base' may be smaller/faster
[03:54] <mebaran151> nforce4 IDE too
[03:54] <Syco54645> yes dma is a bad thing to have not on
[03:54] <scythe> syco, dont have that problem, my dvd drive just went kaput... no burning for me, just reading now... dangit
[03:54] <mebaran151> Syco54645, ah
[03:54] <Eddie> ok Blissex thanks a bunch
[03:54] <claude> crimsun: yea now it show 1.0.8
[03:54] <mebaran151> do you know where I could find what resources are effected
[03:54] <Blissex> Eddie: jut restart and let us know how it is doing.
[03:54] <Syco54645> it will make dvds to skip, cds to burn bad
[03:54] <Syco54645> etc
[03:55] <Eddie> Ok
[03:55] <scythe> dma is very essential for multimedia stuff, video, music, etc
[03:55] <mebaran151> Syco54645, it seems to work ok
[03:55] <mebaran151> but it wont let me seek through an audio cd
[03:55] <Syco54645> um
[03:55] <mebaran151> I know what dma does
[03:55] <Syco54645> hdparm _drive_
[03:55] <Syco54645> pm me what that says
[03:55] <crimsun> claude: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:55] <claude> Blissex and crimsun: now I got a feedback from aplay -l !
[03:56] <Syco54645> mebaran151, i wasnt saying that you didnt, just saying that it is bad when it isnt on :P
[03:56] <mebaran151> ah
[03:56] <Syco54645> its a general rule of thumb
[03:56] <mebaran151> cool
[03:56] <claude> crimsun: 0 snd_emu10k1
[03:56] <mebaran151> I understand that
[03:56] <Blissex> claude: thats a lot better.
[03:56] <crimsun> claude: good. Now paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:56] <mebaran151> Syco54645, that's cool
[03:56] <claude> Blissex and crimsun: Guys.... u rules
[03:56] <mebaran151> but I am confused why it wont let me seek thorugh an audio cd
[03:56] <mebaran151> I should think seeking would just not work quite right
[03:56] <Syco54645> what cd player are you using?
[03:56] <Syco54645> HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[03:57] <Syco54645> that is always fun when you get that from hdparm
[03:57] <claude> crimsun: what it do ?
[03:57] <hubsi> how do i get in  what usergroup i am?
[03:57] <crimsun> claude: it shows your volumes. Paste it onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:58] <claude> crimsun: done
[03:58] <squinn> for breezy users, i have a questio
[03:58] <squinn> should x-window-system-core be installed?
[03:59] <crimsun> claude: type this in a terminal: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[04:00] <crimsun> claude: after that, sound should work.
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> my question still stands, how do i get my second monitor to work independantly of my first
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> ie not an exact copy
[04:00] <Eddie> Blissex, thanks a bunch, when I start up it looks different, but my desktop and all is the same.
[04:00] <levander> Does gnomebaker not burn DVD's?
[04:00] <claude> niceee
[04:00] <crimsun> levander: it does.
[04:00] <claude> crimsun: it work !
[04:01] <claude> Blissex and crimsun: Thanks a lot guys great support !
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: tell me you know how to set up a different monitor
[04:01] <levander> crimsun: I see a "Burn CD Image" button, no "Burn DVD Image" button.
[04:01] <claude> crimsun: Now what if I reboot ?
[04:01] <scythe> has anyone here trying to install xdarwin on a mac?
[04:01] <crimsun> claude: things will still work.
[04:01] <Blissex> claude: add the module name to '/etc/modules'
[04:02] <crimsun> Blissex: (actually that's not necessary since hotplug+udev take care of it)
[04:02] <levander> crimsun: you know what button to press to burn a dvd image?
[04:02] <digao> hey! please, i would like to know if there is a way to disable password request in the gdm login only for some users?
[04:02] <Eddie> Blissex, thanks a bunch, when I start up it looks different, but my desktop and all is the same.
[04:02] <claude> crimsun: I wonder if I can ask you to explain me what we do ? :S
[04:02] <catphive> I just installed hoary and I'm trying to get vlc installed. I added multiverse, but I still can't find vlc in the packages.
[04:02] <jeff303> does anyone know if there is some utility to monitor hard drive accesses?  I'm getting regular accesses even when completely idle (no pagefile)
[04:02] <crimsun> levander: do you have dvd+rw-tools installed?
[04:03] <claude> crimsun: I'm actually trying to learn more about sound in Linux
[04:03] <catphive> has anyone gotten vlc to work with hoary?
[04:03] <crimsun> catphive: that's because vlc is in universe, not multiverse.
[04:03] <levander> crimsun: yes
[04:03] <crimsun> levander: you can try waiting for the gnomebaker 0.4 automatically backported to Hoary from Breezy.
[04:04] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: try looking at the example XF86Configs on sh.nu/nvidia
[04:04] <Blissex> Eddie: so it worked basically, and now you got KDE running?
[04:04] <levander> crimsun: would rather not use backports, do you know if gnomebaker 0.3 in hoary burns DVD's?
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: i am using an ATI
[04:04] <scythe> what is the difference between multi and universe?
[04:04] <crimsun> levander: afaik it does.
[04:04] <skalpel> MOTHERUFC
[04:04] <Eddie> but once I login it seems I'm still on gnome
[04:04] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: same principle
[04:04] <crimsun> !tell scythe about components
[04:05] <DonL> Eddie, you have to change your session
[04:05] <eliUbuntu> iwonfig
[04:05] <eliUbuntu> !iwconfig
[04:05] <ubotu> eliUbuntu: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:05] <eliUbuntu> :(
[04:05] <eliUbuntu> anyone know how to make iwconfig shut down the internet connection?
[04:05] <Blissex> Eddie: you need to select KDE at the graphical login panel. It is one of the menus.
[04:06] <Eddie> oh
[04:06] <Blissex> eliUbuntu: 'ifconfig wlan0 down'
[04:06] <Eddie> DonL, where is that?
[04:06] <windex> eliUbuntu, iwconfig eth0 power off (if eth0 is not your interface, use the one that is)
[04:06] <windex> eliUbuntu, use power on to re-enable the card.
[04:06] <eliUbuntu> thanks Blissex and windex
[04:07] <DonL> Like Blissex says, do control, alt, backspace to get back to the login , then select session and change that to KDE before you log in
[04:07] <windex> oh, wait. that only enables or disables power management, eliUbuntu.
[04:07] <Eddie> thanks, one minute
[04:07] <windex> which is funny because i could swear i've used that before.
[04:08] <claude> crimsun: Just wondering why did we do amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[04:08] <DukGalNamu> holy crap thats a long file
[04:08] <DukGalNamu> !kick
[04:08] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, DukGalNamu
[04:08] <crimsun> claude: that unmutes the mixer element for analog output
[04:08] <windex> ah ha!
[04:08] <windex> eliUbuntu, iwconfig eth0 txpower off <-- shuts off the radio entirely.
[04:08] <DukGalNamu> !hello
[04:08] <dickhead> DukGalNamu: Howdy
[04:08] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I give up, what is it?
[04:08] <claude> crimsun: oh i see
[04:08] <DukGalNamu> ...
[04:08] <DukGalNamu> ubotu can't even respond to hello?
[04:08] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I don't know
[04:09] <jeff303> does anyone know if there is some utility to monitor hard drive accesses?  I'm getting regular accesses even when completely idle
[04:09] <windex> eliUbuntu, sorry for the misinformation. :)
[04:09] <DukGalNamu> ....
[04:09] <Eddie> thank you very much Blissex and DonL!
[04:09] <DonL> Are you in, Eddie?
[04:09] <Eddie> ya
[04:09] <_andy> anybody know how to make desktop icons larger?
[04:09] <Blissex> jeff303: look for the ''laptop-mode'' documentation...
[04:09] <DukGalNamu> decrease your res
[04:10] <Blissex> jeff303: it discusses such issues very extensively.
[04:10] <phillip> how do i do fullscreen VNC?
[04:10] <ccc> _andy: system > preferences > file management
[04:10] <_andy> i like to keep my lcd at native resolution, is there any other way to make icons larger?
[04:10] <Blissex> jeff303: and also the use of /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
[04:10] <scythe> phillip, with a very good connection :)
[04:10] <DukGalNamu> phillip: have you tried typing f?
[04:10] <phillip> scythe: got that
[04:10] <Blissex> _andy: change the icon theme to one with bigger icons.
[04:10] <windex> phillip, i have not found a way to do it yet. i am not sure if it's possible with the 'terminal server client' application.
[04:11] <Blissex> _andy: many come in three sizes, 32x32, 48x48 and 63x64.
[04:11] <phillip> DukGalNamu: yes, i tried that
[04:11] <DukGalNamu> no clue then
[04:11] <phillip> windex: im using vncviewer from the console
[04:11] <scythe> i dont know if openvnc will do that philip
[04:11] <DukGalNamu> phillip: type !help
[04:11] <windex> philips, ah ha. it's on the 'Display' tab when you open the app i just said.
[04:11] <phillip> terminal server client?
[04:11] <windex> philips, yes.
[04:12] <windex> philips, terminal server client supports VNC.
[04:12] <Blissex> jeff303: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/
[04:12] <phillip> see, i use xfce4 and terminal server client has seemed to disappear from my menu
[04:12] <Blissex> jeff303: http://kerneltrap.org/node/653
[04:13] <DonL> off to play. Thanks for the chat.
[04:13] <phillip> windex: whats the command to launch terminal server client?
[04:13] <DukGalNamu> !kirk
[04:13] <dickhead> KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!
[04:13] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I don't know
[04:14] <windex> philips, i actually have no idea. it's in my applications->internet menu in gnome. let me try to figure it out
[04:14] <windex> philips, tsclient
[04:14] <DukGalNamu> !dickhead
[04:14] <dickhead> DukGalNamu: ohh, thats VERY mature...
[04:14] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:14] <phillip> windex: ahh. thanks a lot
[04:15] <cafuego> DukGalNamu: Do I need to switch the bot off until you leave?
[04:15] <DukGalNamu> no no
[04:16] <DukGalNamu> i will be fine
[04:16] <DukGalNamu> i am leaving right now anyways...
[04:16] <DukGalNamu> gbye
[04:16] <FabParma> how to create encrypted partitions?
[04:17] <cafuego> FabParma: with pain.
[04:17] <Blissex> FabParma: http://loop-AES.SourceForge.net/
[04:17] <b33bl3br0x> has anyone tried to compile <IP_ADDRESS> yet? I have to disclose, I am running Debian Stable, but this group has been helpful before! I compiled the kernel okay, but when I tried to mkinitrd, it just failed silently after a few seconds. It looked like it worked but didn't produce an initrd file.
[04:17] <cafuego> FabParma: Note that encryption slows down I/O a _LOT_, so make a smallish one for data that needs to be secure and leave the rest as is.
[04:18] <windex> philips, although it does appear you can just run vncviewer -fullscreen ...
[04:18] <Blissex> FabParma: loop-AES is by far the best, but the issues are not trivial, as <cafuego> suggests.
[04:18] <calamari> hi
[04:19] <_andy> does anybody know where installed programs end up?
[04:19] <benplaut> _andy: there is no one answer B:P
[04:20] <benplaut> :P
[04:20] <cafuego> _andy: All over the place. Find out with 'dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin'  (normally /usr/bin, /bin etc)
[04:20] <benplaut> i got stuck on that, too, when i switched
[04:21] <Eddie> wow, kde is great
[04:21] <cafuego> Poppycock!
[04:22] <calamari> an idea how wine is able to play sound and xmms/ beep-media-player have stopped working?  this seems to have happened after upgrading to Hoary, although it seems like it did work at least once after the upgrade
[04:22] <sun> has anyone tried UIM or SCIM? are they better than IIIMF?
[04:22] <cafuego> calamari: Wine stole the sound device and isn't sharing it.
[04:23] <calamari> cafuego: interesting.. wonder why this didn't happen under Warty
[04:23] <_andy> okay, here's the deal, i just installed vnc viewer, (or at least i think i installed it...)  and i am trying to execute the program
[04:23] <_andy> but i have no clue where to go to find it
[04:23] <cafuego> _andy: Network -> Remote Desktop (or soemsuch)
[04:23] <rafael> :)
[04:23] <calamari> cafuego: that makes a lot of sense since I did play a CD using microsoft cd player
[04:23] <cafuego> calamari: Is there a way Wine can be made to use esound?
[04:24] <calamari> cafuego: I'll check.. even if it doesn't work, I think you've identified the culprit.. thanks :)
[04:24] <Absinthe_> Why when I install Vectorlinux I have complete multiplex sound, but with Ubuntu I have to use the how-to? I have Nforce onboard sound
[04:25] <_andy> is there a linux equivalent to the windows task manager?
[04:26] <cafuego> _andy: ps, top, system monitor
[04:26] <_andy> thanks
[04:27] <MagiPink> Is there anything easier to use for an IRC fserve than the obsidian script? :3
[04:27] <arathald> im trying to install OGRE- im getting an error that it cant find X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h and when i looked on the forums it said i needed to install the X Development headers.... could someone please explain how (if thats a package through apt-get or synaptic, what the name?)
[04:27] <cafuego> arathald: xlibs-dev
[04:28] <arathald> cafuego: ty
[04:28] <sun> anyone here use Input Methods?
[04:28] <sun> like UIM or SCIM
[04:29] <MagiPink> Eh? Teh Web? :P
[04:30] <sun> bump
[04:30] <MagiPink> That's really helpful. xD
[04:31] <cafuego> MagiPink: I'll translate: the easiest way to share files is by putting 'em on a web/ftp site, not a dcc bot.
[04:31] <arathald> I installed xlibs-dev but I'm still geting the error when I type make (OgreGLXConfig.cpp:39:38: X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h: No such file or directory)
[04:31] <crispynix-v6> was libglu1-xorg removed from breezy? It's missing for some reason :-/
[04:31] <MagiPink> That may be... Some people come looking for fservese in channels for fansub groups and stuff.
[04:31] <cafuego> !find libglu1-xorg breezy
[04:32] <dianE^^> hmm
[04:32] <cafuego> MagiPink: Oh, for trading copyrighted material?
[04:32] <cafuego> !find xf86vmode.h
[04:32] <calamari> does Hoary use esd by default ?
[04:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'xf86vmode.h' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h) in libdevel/libxxf86vm-dev.
[04:33] <MagiPink> I'd say fansubs are a grey area. :P
[04:33] <cafuego> calamari: Yep
[04:33] <calamari> cafuego: can I disable it ?
[04:33] <arathald> cafuego: oh, here it is- i found it -- its in libxxf86vm-dev
[04:33] <cafuego> calamari: yep (but then, again, apps won't be able to share access to the sound device
[04:33] <arathald> cafuego: thx for the help
[04:33] <calamari> I think Warty used alsa and things shared fine
[04:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libglu1-xorg' returned no results.
[04:33] <cafuego> crispynix-v6: indeed
[04:33] <calamari> but I could be way off :)
[04:34] <crispynix-v6> cafuego: on purpose?
[04:34] <crispynix-v6> cafuego: quite a few packages still depend on it
[04:34] <cafuego> crispynix-v6: Yes; X is being repackaged (hence the topic saying breezy is broken, don't use it)
[04:34] <calamari> in any case, I didn't have sound problems under Warty.. and if I can revert to doing things that way, it'll be great
[04:34] <crispynix-v6> cafuego: heh
[04:34] <cafuego> crispynix-v6: *hint* *hint* ;-)
[04:36] <ilba7r> when is breezy officialy scheduled to be releases
[04:37] <cafuego> ilba7r: october '05
[04:37] <ilba7r> thanx cafuego
[04:41] <Madpilot> blast - someone remind me how I get PIDs of running processes?
[04:41] <Madpilot> Muine just hung again...
[04:41] <jeff303> pgrep
[04:41] <jeff303> maybe?
[04:42] <Madpilot> pgrep might work - if I can figure out the right arguement to use with it...
[04:43] <calamari> cafuego: esd wasn't running.. had to start it manually
[04:43] <Zaren> how much space does a typical installation of ubuntu take?
[04:43] <Madpilot> Zaren: about 1.7Gb
[04:43] <Zaren> madpilot: thanks
[04:44] <Madpilot> "top" only displays a few processes - what's the CLI to display all processes?
[04:44] <Madpilot> Muine running in the background is damned hard to kill
[04:46] <jonathan_> hello, i<m a newbie to ubuntu... pppoe connection is slow... any help?
[04:46] <nekohayo> only slow in ubuntu?
[04:47] <nekohayo> is it modem/router based or it's a pci card modem?
[04:47] <jonathan_> only in ubuntu, modem based...
[04:48] <jonathan_> booting on windows gives much faster surfing!
[04:48] <cefx> What's wrong with gmplayer?  It said something about error selecting video_out device?
[04:48] <jonathan_> i tried pppoeconf to configure
[04:48] <cefx> Is there a way to configure mplayer?
[04:50] <cefx> Error opening/initializing the -vo device
[04:50] <FabParma> does exist a GUI tool to encrypt whole partitions?
[04:51] <cafuego> cefx: '-vo xv'
[04:51] <cefx> I'm using xv tho.
[04:51] <cafuego> FabParma: Why do you think you need to encrypt a whole partition, and how LONG do you think that's going to take?
[04:53] <cpdiety> there are many valid reasons for enrypting an entire partition
[04:53] <FabParma> cafuego:  ill take it always
[04:53] <hondje> good ones, too :)
[04:54] <cefx> cafuego, xv doesn't work.
[04:55] <cafuego> cefx: try 'x11'
[04:55] <hondje> cafuego: archived records comes immediately to mind
[04:56] <hondje> or even non-archived...financial, medical, personel information
[04:56] <Hoxzer> Why samba keeps asking password from windows machine?
[04:56] <Madpilot> isn't archiving files and/or directories faster & easier than a whole partition, in that case?
[04:56] <jesusfish> is it me, or are the Ubuntu repositories messed right now?
[04:56] <hondje> probably is, now that you mention it
[04:57] <jesusfish> I can't install anything
[04:57] <cefx> newp, is there any way I can increase FPS in Xine?
[04:57] <jesusfish> many dependency issues
[04:57] <cafuego> Well, you could use a cryptoloop archive aprtition; i was _assuming_ FabParma meant / (including all data)
[04:57] <Madpilot> can you password lock the various linux archive formats? tar.gz & those?
[04:57] <ben-killer> !lart benplaut
[04:57] <cafuego> Madpilot: gpg
[04:57] <benplaut> darn IP :P\
[04:58] <FabParma> cafuego:  yes, all data. thank you
[04:58] <hondje> gparted doesn't do it, I just installed it to check :)
[04:58] <Madpilot> cafuego: right, forgot about that. I still need to figure out how that blasted app works, I knew my way around PGP in Windows...
[04:58] <cafuego> FabParma: You want to enctypt / ? *everything* Including all applications, which will then start VERY slow?
[04:58] <redtech> "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds"  I dont understand this hp officejet t45printer works fine plugged into my ubuntu lapper...  anyone experience this?
[04:59] <redtech> and its deteced by this box
[04:59] <cafuego> FabParma: That's such a bad idea, I can't even begin...
[04:59] <FabParma> i do this just in one partition
[04:59] <FabParma> non the /
[04:59] <cafuego> FabParma: Well, there'as  that AES-loop url that was pasted a while back.
[04:59] <Madpilot> I'll bbl everyone. have fun.
[05:00] <cafuego> FabParma: I don't imageing that has GUIi tools, but then again, I don't expect there to BE any gui tools for this.
[05:00] <coolblue> i landed in grub shell....help!
[05:02] <FabParma> ill encript a partition into a wole hdd and separate than the master one. ill mount that partition in /root/my-encrypted-disk  --> /dev/hdb1   something like that
[05:03] <FabParma> cafuego: ill encript a partition into a wole hdd and separate than the master one. ill mount that partition in /root/my-encrypted-disk  --> /dev/hdb1   something like that
[05:04] <cefx> How do I enable UDMA2?
[05:04] <cefx> I'm getting really slow FPS in Xine.
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there an ebay toolbar for firefox?
[05:04] <FabParma> cafuego: probally im not explained correctly
[05:05] <jesusfish> anyone having dependency issues installing packages?
[05:05] <hondje> cefx: try 'sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever'
[05:05] <hondje> jesusfish: I just installed something without a problem
[05:05] <jesusfish> hmm
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know an answer to my question?
[05:07] <FabParma> i mount a new hdd in /root/myDisk after i encrypt all the new hdd. when i need of it i decrypt the  /root/myDisk (probabilly sould be a bit long)
[05:08] <misfit_toy> I'm trying to figure out if you can 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/scd0' for an external USB DVD burner...will that work? it seems to accept it...
[05:08] <JoRock> how do I add a cd to the source.list file?
[05:08] <cafuego> JoRock: apt-cdrom (I think)
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Laptop> Hehe. I'm writing this from the oldest laptop in the history of mankind =P
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Laptop> It can't even handle X. I'm writing this from irssi
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Laptop> and programming in vim ^_^;
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Laptop> I <3 old hardware!
[05:10] <nekohayo> what laptop? bet I can beat you :3
[05:11] <Hikaru79|Laptop> I have 98 RAM as well
[05:12] <nekohayo> do you guys use lighter wmers?
[05:12] <Hikaru79|Laptop> And cat /proc/cpuinfo says its got 242 mhz
[05:12] <DekaPink> Erm... How do I remove the reference to an uninstalled program, so that it doesn't look for a file to run if I put in the command? Just something that bugs me a little.
[05:12] <jeff303> "640K should be enough for anybody"
[05:12] <misfit_toy> jeff303, heh
[05:12] <misfit_toy> I remember that quote when it came
[05:12] <Hikaru79|Laptop> DekaPink: have you removed the entry from the path? (Usually /usr/bin)
[05:12] <misfit_toy> out
[05:12] <Hikaru79|Laptop> There might be a symlink that was left over
[05:12] <Hikaru79|Laptop> ANd not properly deleted.
[05:13] <misfit_toy> I'm trying to figure out if you can 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/scd0' for an external USB DVD burner...will that work? it seems to accept it...
[05:13] <DekaPink> I just did dpkg -r
[05:13] <Hikaru79|Laptop> DekaPink: what program specificaly?
[05:13] <DekaPink> Hikaru79|Laptop: Cedega
[05:13] <Hikaru79|Laptop> misfit_toy: isn't the flag "-d1"?
[05:13] <Hikaru79|Laptop> DekaPink: Oi.  I guess I'll just have to deal with it. ^^
[05:14] <Hikaru79|Laptop> coolblue: not by default. Just use sudo.
[05:14] <Hikaru79|Laptop> DekaPink: =/ Yeah.
[05:14] <coolblue> can i fix it?????????
[05:14] <jeff303> you could set the root password
[05:14] <jeff303> that would enable the account I think
[05:14] <Hikaru79|Laptop> coolblue: yes, there is a way to enable root. I don't have the link on me because i'm on a laptop that would explode if I tried to install a browser on it.
[05:14] <nekohayo> ..... man I just realized the "window selector" applet behaves pretty much like the top right corner of a macintosh... hey anybody know a way to user the application menubars in the taskbark? maybe I'll make a user account just to mimic a mac for fun
[05:15] <nekohayo> taskbark.. hmm lol taskbar*
[05:15] <Hikaru79|Laptop> "a way to user the application menubars"?
[05:15] <jeff303> sudo /usr/bin/passwd root
[05:15] <nekohayo> hmm
[05:15] <signbarn> i want to rid myself of windows xp, so i'd like to know how i go about formatting the ntfs drive i have as ext3
[05:15] <Hikaru79|Laptop> You mean, make them user-specific?
[05:15] <nekohayo> I mean...
[05:15] <Hikaru79|Laptop> signbarn: the Ubuntu installer does that for you.
[05:15] <signbarn> wonderful :-)
[05:15] <nekohayo> for example, strip the top menu bar of an application (Text only) and put it in the tray
[05:16] <signbarn> so i can just use it to format a drive and be done?
[05:16] <nekohayo> mac OS is the only example I have :P
[05:16] <Hikaru79|Laptop> Just tell it to have its way with your hardrive when it asks you how to partition =) It'll set up a partitoin structure that it likes.
[05:16] <cafuego> signbarn: Just tell the installer to use the entire disk.
[05:16] <jeff303> you can either delete the partition, repartition as ext3
[05:16] <Hikaru79|Laptop> Yes, signbarn , it has the option to use the entire disk and do its partitioningall by itself.
[05:16] <jeff303> or use a partition tool like gparted to convert to ext3
[05:16] <cafuego> nekohayo: KDE has a bar that does this.
[05:16] <signbarn> i don't need it to install anything on it, though it is the master hard drive.
[05:16] <nekohayo> yeah I know that
[05:16] <Hikaru79|Laptop> Ubuntu installer is very easy to use, especially if you're dedicating an entire HDD to it =)
[05:16] <nekohayo> but I want it on gnome! :3
[05:17] <signbarn> i just want a blank ext3 drive
[05:17] <cafuego> signbarn: Then 'fdisk' and 'mkfs.ext3' are your friends.
[05:17] <Hikaru79|Laptop> signbarn, oh a blank one?
[05:17] <nekohayo> I've seen a theme maker using this, but it has not been released
[05:17] <signbarn> yesh
[05:17] <Hikaru79|Laptop> signbarn: run a livecd and then use fdisk.
[05:17] <hubsi> what's the name of alsa headers 0.4 in apt ?
[05:17] <jeff303> then just delete the windows partition with qtparted, then create a new partition using all that space as ext3
[05:17] <jeff303> that should do it
[05:17] <nekohayo> so I know it's ... possible
[05:17] <cafuego> signbarn: Note that until you write the entire disk full of random data about 5 times, the data can still be (partially) recovered ;-)
[05:18] <Hoxzer> how I can see how full is my HDD?
[05:18] <cafuego> Hoxzer: 'df -h'
[05:18] <signbarn> lol
[05:18] <signbarn> i backed up to a 200 gig hard drive that i got at CompUSA for 80 bucks
[05:18] <signbarn> backed up media, etc.
[05:19] <hubsi>  what's the name of alsa headers 0.4 in apt ?
[05:19] <Eddie> I currently use KDE but was just using gnome, so I made a shortcut to `/' but now I need it to open with the kde file manager, how can I do this?
[05:20] <signbarn> thanks, y'all :-)
[05:20] <Hoxzer> ;/ I need to get that samba working
[05:21] <DekaPink> So there's no easy for me to just get it to not say bash: /usr/bin/whatever: No such file or directory? :3
[05:22] <cafuego> DekaPink: installing 'whatever' will probably help.
[05:23] <signbarn> Hoxzer: what's your samba trouble?
[05:24] <DekaPink> cafuego: No, I uninstalled it, and I want to make the message go away. :P So it'll just say command not found or some such again.
[05:24] <elfguy> anyone ever used Everquest with point2play by any chance?
[05:26] <cafuego> DekaPink: Logout, login.
[05:26] <cafuego> DekaPink: or try 'hash'
[05:28] <DekaPink> Oh, there we go... I went into Synaptic and marked it for complete removal.
[05:30] <elfguy> whats the prompt command to make all files in current directory and sub directories +write for user?
[05:30] <kevin06> Don't mind me, just showing my wife the wonders of IRC
[05:31] <cafuego> elfguy: chmod u+w . -R
[05:31] <elfguy> ah yes, thx.. been too long :P
[05:31] <cafuego> kevin06: Don't fortget the flames and sarcasm.
[05:33] <arbir> hello all
[05:33] <arbir> test
[05:33] <hornbeck> hello
[05:33] <arbir> test
[05:33] <arbir> hi hornbeck
[05:33] <brokenbox> so ive got a problem, ubuntu wont see the onboard nic, rtl8139 in my shuttle
[05:33] <brokenbox> ive tried just about everything
[05:33] <calamari> here is what's wrong with my sound I think.. error: /dev/dsp: No such device
[05:33] <arbir> anybody uses PostGre Sql ?
[05:33] <arbir> hmmmm
[05:33] <calamari> /dev/dsp1 works
[05:34] <brokenbox> anyone else have one of these boxes runnin ubuntu
[05:34] <hornbeck> brokenbox: no
[05:34] <brokenbox> well it just doesnt see eth0, ive manually loaded and unloaded the correct modules
[05:34] <brokenbox> to no avail
[05:34] <brokenbox> just lookin for anything else i can try
[05:34] <brokenbox> it works with other distros
[05:34] <brokenbox> and livecds
[05:35] <brokenbox> 8139too and mii are the modules other distros use to run it
[05:35] <arbir> borken did you google for it ?
[05:35] <brokenbox> yeah i did
[05:35] <brokenbox> and ubuntu forums
[05:35] <brokenbox> been lookin for a while
[05:35] <arbir> hmm... man i was always scared of loading these device drivers
[05:36] <arbir> i once did manage to do it with gentoo
[05:36] <arbir> and then i sweared i wont
[05:36] <arbir> brokenbox: you are in a difficult situation
[05:36] <arbir> i am looking for the latest package for postgresql
[05:36] <brokenbox> yeah, the drivers that should work arent :(
[05:36] <brokenbox> doesnt make much sense
[05:36] <brokenbox> just tryin to see if i could be missing something...
[05:36] <arbir> sometimes. i feel i should go back to Redhat
[05:36] <arbir> i mean fedora
[05:36] <hornbeck> brokenbox: does ifconfig -a show the eth0?
[05:37] <brokenbox> hornbeck, nope
[05:37] <brokenbox> just loopback
[05:37] <hornbeck> hmm
[05:37] <arbir> well brokenbox i guess.. then your module is not loaded
[05:37] <hornbeck> even after a manual load of the driver
[05:37] <arbir> or the networking service is not yet started
[05:37] <brokenbox> yeah i manually load it and still wont see eth0
[05:37] <rob_p> brokenbox:  I've got 2 Realtek 8139s in my Ubuntu box.  They seem to work just fine.  I didn't have to do anything special to get them to come up...
[05:37] <arbir> i also have a problem with Ubuntu here with my network card.. each time i boot my machine.. i have to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:38] <arbir> and only then will it work
[05:38] <brokenbox> arbir, hmmmm interesting i actually hadnt tried that yet
[05:38] <brokenbox> rob_p, what kernel modules are your realteks using
[05:38] <brokenbox> 8139too ?
[05:38] <arbir> yeah brokenbox try that
[05:38] <rob_p> brokenbox:  They are listed as: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[05:39] <brokenbox> mines listed as rtl-8100B/8139D
[05:39] <vitriol> anybody know of a good bluetooth mouse for linux?
[05:39] <arbir> meanwhile can anybody tell me......where can i get the latest version of PostgreSQL?
[05:39] <claude> anyone know how can i get sound in firefox ?
[05:39] <hornbeck> vitriol: I have never got one to work right
[05:39] <vitriol> meh :/
[05:39] <claude> actually i have no sound at all in firefox
[05:39] <rob_p> brokenbox:  I believe 8139too, yes.
[05:39] <hornbeck> arbir: you may not be able to get the latest version in Hoary
[05:39] <hornbeck> if that is what you are running
[05:40] <arbir> hornbeck: i have the backports on
[05:40] <brokenbox> rob_p, hmmm yeah thats what it should be... weirdness.  I reckon ill try a network restart and see what goes
[05:40] <arbir> hornbeck: and still i wont get me the latest
[05:40] <brokenbox> thanks for the help, might be back in a sec, hehe
[05:40] <JoRock> can anyone help me set up a netgear wireless pci card?
[05:40] <arbir> how can i tell what is my networking card?
[05:40] <hornbeck> arbir: are you looking for 8.0?
[05:40] <vitriol> hornbeck: i know that bluetooth devices are supported...
[05:40] <arbir> hornbeck: yeah 8.0.x
[05:40] <rob_p> brokenbox:  What version of 8139 are you running?
[05:41] <vitriol> it's just that some - i.e. microsoft - will spew random crap out into dmesg polluting your logs
[05:41] <brokenbox> dmesg |grep eth0 shows RTL-8139B/8139D
[05:41] <hornbeck> vitriol: they are supported but I have never got a BT mouse to work right
[05:41] <vitriol> hornbeck: what was the problem?
[05:42] <hornbeck> arbir: postgresql 8.0 is in breezy
[05:42] <rob_p> brokenbox:  do a, "lspci | grep 8139" for more info...
[05:42] <arbir> hornbeck: how do i get it from breezty?
[05:42] <arbir> breezy i mean
[05:42] <hornbeck> vitriol: they would have random movement and be flakey
[05:42] <vitriol> ooohh
[05:42] <hornbeck> arbir: install breezy :-)
[05:42] <arbir> hornbeck: but its not yet ok.. i heard.. its still broken
[05:43] <vitriol> hornbeck: was that all mice or just a particular one? i read about some BT mice being crappy
[05:43] <arbir> thats what the IRC header says
[05:43] <hornbeck> arbir: yes it is still very broken
[05:43] <arbir> i want just postgresql
[05:43] <hornbeck> vitriol: I tried about three before stopping
[05:43] <arbir> i dont want an unstable distro
[05:43] <hornbeck> you might google it for ones that work
[05:43] <vitriol> yuck
[05:43] <brokenbox> aight ill give this a shot. brb
[05:43] <vitriol> hornbeck: k thanks
[05:43] <rob_p> brokenbox:  Anyway, good luck with it.  I hope you figure it out.
[05:43] <hornbeck> arbir: Than you will have to compile yourself or wait till Breezy is stable
[05:44] <arbir> i guess let me compile
[05:44] <arbir> the only prblem is the startup scripts # hornbeck
[05:44] <hornbeck> configure them yourself
[05:44] <arbir> the one thing which i miss is the status of a daemon
[05:44] <arbir> '/etc/init.d/apache2 status does not work
[05:44] <hornbeck> why do you need 8.0?
[05:45] <arbir> hornbeck: its the stable version of pgsql , i guess
[05:45] <hornbeck> arbir: create a ubuntu package from source and install
[05:45] <arbir> correct me if ia m wrong
[05:45] <hornbeck> all versions leading up to it are stable versions
[05:45] <hornbeck> 7.3
[05:45] <hornbeck> 7.4
[05:45] <hornbeck> all stable
[05:45] <arbir> hornbeck: i dont know how to make a ubuntu package... i have checkinstall installed which can make me .deb packaes
[05:45] <Mr_Smiley> Is there anyway that I can remotely access a winxp box from Ubuntu?
[05:46] <arbir> Mr_Smiley: use Rdesktop
[05:46] <Mr_Smiley> I'll take a look, thanks
[05:46] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:46] <arbir> Mr_Smiley: www.ubuntulinuxguide.org
[05:46] <arbir> sorry ubuntuguide.org
[05:46] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[05:47] <arbir> hornbeck: is there a tutorial which can tlel me how to make Ubuntu packages?
[05:47] <hornbeck> arbir: I am not sure give me a sec
[05:47] <arbir> also with postgresql 8.x a column's datatype can be changed
[05:47] <arbir> you cannot do that with older versions
[05:48] <hornbeck> arbir: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
[05:48] <kaffeend> hello...
[05:48] <hornbeck> start there
[05:48] <arbir> let me check that hornbeck
[05:48] <arbir> also i need the latest version of Mono..
[05:48] <arbir> cant get it
[05:48] <hornbeck> arbir: all in breezy
[05:49] <kaffeend> !multimedia
[05:49] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:49] <arbir> hornbeck: can i use the breezy sources ?
[05:49] <arbir> hornbeck: for my apt-get ?
[05:49] <hornbeck> arbir: it is not suggested to mix sources
[05:50] <arbir> hornbeck: just for mono and pgsql
[05:50] <hornbeck> it will want to install other items as well
[05:50] <hornbeck> could cause a lot of problems
[05:50] <hornbeck> you can install mono from their site
[05:50] <hornbeck> mono-project.com
[05:51] <arbir> let me check that
[05:51] <arbir> as for making a .deb package. i guess i can do well with checkinstall
[05:51] <arbir> its really good
[05:51] <hornbeck> right
[05:51] <hornbeck> well I am out
[05:51] <hornbeck> night
[05:52] <benplaut> night
[05:52] <benplaut> wish ubotu good night :P
[05:53] <arbir> hornbeck: night
[05:53] <arbir> can anybody tell me how can i make ignore certain upgrades?
[05:54] <hondje> using pinning
[05:54] <arbir> whats that hondje ?
[05:55] <hondje> arbir: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[05:55] <arbir> let me check that
[05:58] <arbir> anybody has used Cygwin with Kde ?
[05:59] <benplaut> try in #cygwin ;)
[06:01] <jazzanova> hi
[06:01] <benplaut> hi
[06:02] <jazzanova> i am trying to compile my program that uses vector (from stl).
[06:02] <benplaut> what program?
[06:02] <jazzanova> its having trouble with it.
[06:02] <jazzanova> m own
[06:02] <jazzanova> my own
[06:02] <jazzanova> i wrote it long time ago.
[06:02] <benplaut> oh
[06:02] <Do1> HI, got a port forwarding question. Every day I do the same port forward and suddenly I'm getting bind: Cannot assign requested address. The command is sudo ssh -c blowfish -L 143:localhost:143 -L 25:localhost:25 -l user user.ath.cx -N -f
[06:03] <jazzanova> i  have #include <vector.h> at the top
[06:06] <jazzanova> nevermind
[06:09] <volvoguy> hi all. i was glad to see that the nvidia binary drivers are working now in breezy, but sad to see that they dropped support for my TNT2 card. will i need to manually install an older version from the nvidia website?
[06:11] <hondje> vs something like 'nvidia-glx-older' package? Good question, I was wondering that earlier myself
[06:14] <volvoguy> hondje, i don't see a package like that in main, universe or multiverse. i'll just see if i can get their driver installed.
[06:16] <volvoguy> what's the best way to get to a non-X runlevel? i haven't had the need to do that yet. :)
[06:16] <kaffeend> I've been using Ubuntu for 4 days now - having come from XP and never used Linux before now.  So, can somebody yell me what language I'm using in Terminal please?
[06:16] <Xenguy> volvoguy: Ctrl-Alt-F2
[06:16] <kaffeend> tell*
[06:17] <volvoguy> Xenguy, thanks.
[06:17] <Xenguy> volvoguy: not sure if I understood your question correctly tho
[06:18] <volvoguy> kaffeend, you're using a "shell" in terminal. the default is "bash". in the terminal you can type "echo $SHELL" to tell you for sure which one you're using.
[06:18] <volvoguy> Xenguy, i just need to leave X completely to install Nvidia's driver.
[06:18] <kaffeend> Thanks, volvoguy
[06:19] <Xenguy> kaffeend: and if you put multiple commands in a script, it would be known as a bash/shell script
[06:19] <kaffeend> Hmmm
[06:19] <root________> in kde in ubuntu, kdesu asks for a user password instead of a root password.  the gnome equivalent is the same way.  How would I recreate this behaviour in any other distro, as my friend really likes that feature, but won't switch distros..
[06:20] <thegreengiant> hey.... what would i have to do to get 32 bit programs to work in 64 bit version
[06:20] <thegreengiant> compile new kernel?
[06:20] <volvoguy> kaffeend, no problem! as far as the language you are using, that doesn't really apply to the end user unless you're programming. i think the programming language of choice in Ubuntu is Python though.
[06:20] <kaffeend> volvoguy I've heard of Perl and Python
[06:21] <Xenguy> kaffeend: scripting languages
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> Rexx
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> :P comal!
[06:21] <kaffeend> Xenguy okay
[06:21] <volvoguy> kaffeend, yep. i've heard of them too... but that's about it. :)
[06:22] <volvoguy> so Xenguy, Ctrl Alt F2 will drop me out of X and leave me at a terminal?
[06:23] <JDahl> volvoguy, yes
[06:23] <kaffeend> btw I'm typing   echo $SHELL and I'm getting bin/bash back
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-F2 will jump to the console.. not kill off X.
[06:24] <volvoguy> and i should probably remove "nvidia-glx" as not to confuse X.
[06:24] <kaffeend> Isn't HalfLife 2 python based?
[06:24] <thegreengiant> huh??!
[06:24] <volvoguy> Dr_Willis, oh yeah. duh. :) I need to exit X windows completely.
[06:24] <thegreengiant> you cant compile python... can you?
[06:24] <root________> how does ubuntu make su, kdesu, and the gnome equivalent of kdesu ask for a user password instead of a root password ?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> volvoguy,  kill the gdm service is how i normally doit.
[06:24] <thegreengiant> prolly sets them to the same thin
[06:25] <PurpleMotion> ummm
[06:25] <PurpleMotion> HELP!
[06:25] <root________> kaffeend, if half-life 2 is written entirely in python, I will castrate myself and sing in a eunuch choir.
[06:25] <volvoguy> Dr_Willis, doesn't it automatically restart? I'm used to doing "init 3" or something in slackware.
[06:25] <thegreengiant> i can guarantee you that hl2 is written in C and C++
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> volvoguy,  init  changes the runlevel - which may or may not do what you want.
[06:26] <volvoguy> this is why i'm on the art team and not the dev team. :)
[06:26] <root________> thegreengiant, thank you.  :)
[06:26] <raju> Hey, can anyone help me?  I'm trying to run modprobe lirc_i2c
[06:26] <raju> it says module can't be found
[06:27] <volvoguy> ok. i'm going to go play. thanks for the help everybody. :)
[06:27] <JDahl> I also heard the HL2 is Python based. In fact, they wrote the entire 3D engine using the turtle-graphics module
[06:27] <root________> how does ubuntu make gnome's su frontend, kdesu, and su ask for a user password instead of the root password ?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> the user is on the sudoers list I belive and thats normally how su works.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> :) or are we going in circular logic here.  LOLOL
[06:28] <raju> could anyone help me?
[06:29] <root________> Dr_Willis, lol..  only thing is, sudo makes X apps unusable, and su doesn't.  kdesu doesn't make x apps unusable, so it's su, not sudo..  and I can't make su ask for a user password....
[06:30] <cafuego> root________: They don't; they use gsudo, not gksu.
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> root________,  never noticed. :P I tend to use 'sux'   and shells
[06:30] <cafuego> root________: No, you are mistaken./ 'sudo' works fine for X apps.
[06:30] <cafuego> But I wouldn't expect otherwise from someone on irc as root.
[06:31] <jason_> ANyone know how to get a nice pie chart of the harddrive fre space?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> jason_,  i recall kde had some feature like tht in their file manager.. not sure of other similer tools however
[06:32] <kaffeend> root sry didn't see your post til now. I believe HL2 uses Python. Maybe I'm wrong /shrug
[06:32] <thegreengiant> does anyone know how i can get 32 bit apps to run on amd64 .......??? without chroot
[06:32] <PurpleMotion> Okay, I was running the system off of /dev/hda3, but i deleted /dev/hda1, so i made a partition there and moved everything on /dev/hda3 there and deleted /dev/hda3.. i'm on in knoppix right now.. i need to be able to install the bootloader on /dev/hda1 in /etc/lilo.conf, and i can't for the life of me figure out how to remount what systems in knoppix to make it work
[06:32] <jason_> What about just amount of free space?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> thegreengiant,  good luck. :P
[06:32] <cafuego> thegreengiant: install them with force-arch. BAD IDEA. Use the chroot regardless.
[06:32] <PurpleMotion> i run: /sbin/lilo -C /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf
[06:33] <PurpleMotion> and i get
[06:33] <PurpleMotion>     Name change: '/dev/cloop0' -> '/dev/cloop'
[06:33] <PurpleMotion> err
[06:33] <thegreengiant> i wouldnt be able to compile a biarch kernel and install the 32 bit libs??
[06:33] <PurpleMotion> Fatal: creat /boot/map~: Read-only file system
[06:33] <jason_> ahh stupid me its there on the bottom of nautalis
[06:33] <PurpleMotion> but / (which contains /boot) is rw
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion,  it should be writeing to /mnt/hda1/boot shouldent it?
[06:34] <PurpleMotion> but it's not
[06:34] <cafuego> thegreengiant: Yes, you can, but you'd still need to force-arch i386 and it'd still be a bad idea (and you'd still get crashes)
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion,  its doing what it thinks is right. :P
[06:34] <PurpleMotion> when i reboot, /mnt/hda1 will be /dev/hda1
[06:34] <thegreengiant> darn
[06:34] <cafuego> thegreengiant: Don't install the 32bit libc6 on amd64. More badness.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion,  could make a soft link from /boot to /mnt/hda1/boot
[06:34] <kaffeend> !cedega
[06:34] <ubotu> cedega is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[06:34] <PurpleMotion> ln -s ?
[06:34] <cafuego> thegreengiant: You can always chosoe to just install an ia32 system
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> for the lilo install.. of course I use grub. :P
[06:35] <PurpleMotion> i use lilo
[06:35] <thegreengiant> yea... but the rest of the system wont run at full speed
[06:35] <PurpleMotion> lemme do that
[06:35] <root________> cafuego, mr. 'sudo works for x apps' here, chew on this: sudo /usr/kde/3.4/bin/kate
[06:35] <root________> kate: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[06:35] <cafuego> root________: Congratulations, you overwrote $DISPLAY.
[06:35] <root________> cafuego, sudo does it, I just watch :)
[06:36] <cafuego> root________: It works for every other user. You must be special.
[06:36] <PurpleMotion> it appears i need to symlink things in / as well :D
[06:36] <root________> cafuego, actually, I'm not using ubuntu at the moment, I'm setting up another PC to have kdesu work the same as in ubuntu, since I like it.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> sounds like the DISPLAY veriable needs to be set/exported.
[06:37] <cafuego> Dr_Willis: That is set in an xterm.
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> that worked
[06:37] <cafuego> root________: Are you trying to run if from a console login or something>?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> cafuego,  yea - seems odd...
[06:37] <cafuego> root________: And can you change your nick?
[06:37] <root________> cafuego, from a standard term
[06:38] <root________> cafuego, if it'll help get me help, I'll change it..
[06:38] <PurpleMotion> okay, i'll be right back.. im gonna get my ubuntu system back up :)
[06:38] <sebastian_> hi
[06:38] <seife> yo
[06:38] <seife> i think im ready to install ubuntu
[06:38] <seife> i downloaded all needed
[06:38] <cafuego> Aarcane: Well, i doubt you'll get much help from people here until you're on (k)ubuntu.
[06:38] <seife> should i install it on my second disk?
[06:38] <cafuego> Aarcane: All I can say is the sudo on whatever you're running now is broken.
[06:38] <sebastian_> i have aproblem wint the sound
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> seife,  its proberly easier and safer to put linux on its own hard drive (2nd one would be fine)
[06:39] <seife> Dr_Willis but i have files in there
[06:39] <seife> its not an empty disk
[06:39] <sebastian_> any body can hepl me
[06:39] <seife> the problem is i need some help i dont even know how to install i have never used linux, never touched it
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> seife,  i STRONGLY suggest you back them up. :P just in case
[06:39] <Aarcane> cafuego, alright..  well, that's half the problem..  the other half is how do I make su ask for a user password instead of a root password ?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> seife,  and you will then need to resize the existing partions to make some free unallocated space
[06:39] <seife> yeah
[06:40] <seife> i think i need to create a partition
[06:40] <cafuego> Aarcane: You don't.
[06:40] <cafuego> Aarcane: 'su' _ALWAYS_ asks for the root password.
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> seife,  actually you need to create a NONparittion :P lol -
[06:40] <Aarcane> cafuego, so does kdesu in (k)ubuntu use sudo instead of su ?
[06:40] <calamari> seife: if you want to get a feel for linux without changing anything, try the live cd.. it'll let you experiment
[06:40] <seife> non partition uh?
[06:41] <seife> i downloaded the live cd, can i try it out into windows?
[06:41] <signbarn> Okay, so right now I dual boot with Windoze XP. If I use the install disk to install Ubuntu over my XP drive, will the grub boot manager update itself?
[06:41] <seife> Dr_Willis: what u mean i need a new HD?
[06:41] <cafuego> Aarcane: I assume it uses a sudo wrapper.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> seife,  a section of hte hd that i NOT used. not in a drive letter.. ect..
[06:41] <calamari> seife: just reboot with the live cd in the drive and it'll load
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> seife,  no.. it can work.. you just need tobe carefull
[06:41] <cafuego> Aarcane: They might be able to tell you more precisely in #kubuntu
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> seife,  i accidently deleted some junk off my 2nd hd with the ubuntu installer once.. so it pays to be very carefull
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> seife,  i used a live cd with parted  (or qt_parted) or the other variants to resize the existing windows partions. making the last part of the hd. to be UNALLOCATED.
 trying to setup postfix w/ virtual domains
 nup[19225] : fatal: open database /etc/postfix/virtual_alias.db: No such file or directory
 what is that error
 i have the /etc/postfix/virtual_alias
 as shown in
 http://www.postfix.org/MAILDROP_README.html
[06:44] <PurpleMotion> obstacle abolished.
[06:44] <black13> where can i find the dsc files for xorg
[06:44] <cafuego> hanasaki: google for 'sarge ispmail', click on I'm feeling lucky.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[06:44] <cafuego> hanasaki: .. that's a HWOTO for popstfix with courier and virtual domains/user in mysql.
[06:44] <hanasaki> thanks
[06:44] <PurpleMotion> that's worth a Wiki entry, you should write one
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion,  for what? :P
[06:45] <hanasaki> i tried the info on the psotfix site.  and poof.. no luck. maybe i should try exim again lol
[06:46] <hanasaki> cafuego:  wht mta do you use?
[06:46] <bedi> is the xorg from breezy broken
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> bedi,  ive often hear mention that it breaks then gets fixed then breaks again
[06:46] <bedi> this thing will not work gr
[06:46] <PurpleMotion> Dr_Willis:  for someone who wants to move their installation from one partition to another
[06:46] <PurpleMotion> that worked out well
[06:47] <seife> man
[06:47] <seife> if
[06:47] <seife> i delete something on the 2nd disk
[06:47] <seife> my dad will just kill me
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> seife,  yep..
[06:47] <seife> err
[06:47] <seife> so i wont install ubuntu
[06:47] <seife> now im afraid
[06:47] <seife> lol
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> seife,  could just stick with the live cd's
[06:47] <seife> what it do?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> and a usb thumb drive.
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> now, does anyone know why QTParted says I can't grow /dev/hda4 (which is 60gb and needs to be 80gb)??
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> will do anything you really want. :P
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> its a system on a cd.
[06:48] <hanasaki> cafuego:  should it be as easy as changing mysql to postgres to use postgres?  all of my stuff is in that now and i really dont want ot add mysql unless it si Required
[06:48] <PurpleMotion> not every system can boot from a thumb drive
[06:49] <hanasaki> PurpleMotion:  bios rocks.. mine supports usb keyboards.. just not until you boot w/ a ps2 and enable it LOL
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> PurpleMotion,  thats why you use a lIve cd and the thumbdrive. :P
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> gotchya
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> anyways
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> hanasaki,  lol.. I got one that the usb keyboard works in the bios menus when its in ONE of the usb ports bt not the others. :P
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> why does QTparted say i cant grow /dev/hda4 when it's got 40gb of space directly in front of it??
[06:50] <hanasaki> thats it.. i swear.. ia m gonna go back to windows LOL
[06:50] <hanasaki> Dr_Willis: :)
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:50] <hanasaki> it was a joke
[06:50] <hanasaki> hoary work ok w/ uml?
[06:51] <traveller> there's a beeping sound from my speakers everytime i press a key or when the key repeats itself, does anyone know why is this?
[06:51] <black13> i want to build xorg from the unbuntu dsc files
[06:51] <black13> how do i go about that?
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> i think i found a wiki for it :D
[06:54] <cafuego> black13: Any reason?
[06:56] <misfit_toy> zzzzzzzzz
[06:56] <hanasaki> http://www.edoceo.com/liber/nuntius-setup.php  <= llooks good for postfix and psotgress
[06:57] <thenostradamus> i was wondering if someone can help me with an ssh authentication problem
[06:58] <Syco54645> thenostradamus, what is the problem?
[06:58] <thenostradamus> well...........
[06:59] <thenostradamus> i'm able to connect to it with ssh but it won't authenticate my password
[06:59] <sol> connect to what?
[06:59] <thenostradamus> it gives me the error:Permission denied, please try again.
[06:59] <thenostradamus> my computer
[07:00] <cow_cakep> dfsgt
[07:00] <ReleaseX> is there a kernel that supports orinoco scanning?
[07:00] <JDahl> thenostradamus, are you using a terminal or a gui tool?
[07:00] <thenostradamus> terminal
[07:01] <AdmiralCrunch> Is there any way I can change the apt-get repository to the Debian one?
[07:02] <JDahl> AdmiralCrunch, you can just change /etc/apt/sources.list, but why would you change that? sounds like trouble...
[07:02] <cato_> im having bit of a problem with my terminals.. they wont let me use the norwegian keys.. :\
[07:02] <AdmiralCrunch> Because the Debian repository has more packages
[07:03] <adrian__> Hey, guys. Does anyone know of a text-mode e-mail client that will let me read/write email through a remote SMTP server?
[07:03] <adrian__> Like thunderbird, but for CLI?
[07:03] <JDahl> AdmiralCrunch, If that's an issue, then you're probably better off using Debian - I dont think mixing Debian and Ubuntu like that is a good idea
[07:04] <Burgundavia> AdmiralCrunch, what packages are missing from Ubuntu?
[07:04] <sol> AdmiralCrunch, did u read this http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> sol, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[07:04] <sol> why not
[07:05] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[07:05] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> heh this has GOT to be a faq :P
[07:05] <Syco54645> Burgundavia, valknut is missing... and all of the dvdauthor front ends that i have tried to get are missing too
[07:05] <professor_chaos> i like ubuntuguide
[07:05] <Burgundavia> professor_chaos, regardless, plese don't recommend it
[07:05] <sol> the section on repositories was helpful for me
[07:05] <Syco54645> Burgundavia, those are just a few that i have just tried to get
[07:06] <Burgundavia> Syco54645, likely they entered debian after hoary was released
[07:06] <professor_chaos> can i cay i like it without recommending it!
[07:06] <Syco54645> Burgundavia, um i would hope they have been in debian for some time... especially valknut which is old (2002?)
[07:06] <Burgundavia> Syco54645, odd, raise the issue with the MOTUs
[07:07] <Burgundavia> professor_chaos, best not to mention it
[07:07] <sol> AdmiralCrunch, which packages are u wanting?
[07:07] <ReleaseX> is there a kernel that supports orinoco scanning?
[07:07] <AdmiralCrunch> I am actually with Syco here, we were trying to figure his problem out
[07:08] <professor_chaos> free speech.... I don't want to get into it, but it has it's use. I will leave it at that!
[07:08] <sol> aha
[07:08] <sol> word
[07:09] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[07:14] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> how do i compile and install a program from source code on my desktop?
[07:14] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> does anyone know?
[07:14] <navyn> i get a message from a program saying Package enlightenment has no available version, but exists in the database
[07:15] <Syco54645> the lack of packages in ubuntu is sad
[07:15] <Syco54645> even when i used the alt repositories
[07:15] <Syco54645> i still see nothing that i used to use
[07:15] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> does anyone know how  i compile and install a program from source code on my desktop?
[07:16] <TheDemon> heh, ubuntu has nearly everything in its pack DB
[07:16] <sol> what program?
[07:16] <navyn> configure, make, make install?
[07:16] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> its jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586
[07:17] <Syco54645> i dont see valknut, qdvdauthor, dvdstyler
[07:17] <TheDemon> oh god, not java
[07:17] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> yes
[07:17] <TheDemon> Syco54645: add the universal repositories, then you probobly will
[07:18] <professor_chaos> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, and why install on desktop, and not link on desktop
[07:18] <navyn> i uninstalled e17, now trying to install e16, but synaptic craps out
[07:18] <TheDemon> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu: java.sun.com has a nice tutorial they made for their package, you should use it.
[07:18] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> woops i read the wrong file name
[07:18] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> its wine
[07:18] <navyn> Says there is no available version, but exists in database
[07:18] <TheDemon> use it's repositoty than Cry_Mac_Ubuntu
[07:18] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> ok
[07:19] <TheDemon> wine.com, get the ubuntu repository
[07:19] <TheDemon> add it in synaptic, or to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:19] <navyn> where can I edit the database, or can i?
[07:23] <calamari> navyn: hoary?
[07:23] <Syco54645> TheDemon, what do you mean?
[07:23] <navyn> yes
[07:23] <ReleaseX> when i iwlist scan eth1, it tells me the operation is not supported.  I'm have a wireless card that uses orinoco, how can i get scan function to work
[07:23] <Syco54645> TheDemon, i can show you what i have in a pm
[07:24] <TheDemon> fine
[07:24] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Okay, guys. That guy is gone. Now he was giving you the wrong thing. It's actually wine from source.
[07:24] <navyn> i tried e17, through the instructions on ubuntuforums, but uninstalled it, using synaptic, and wanted to install e16
[07:24] <chris> leave
[07:24] <navyn> that is in the universe repo
[07:24] <bedi> the output error wen i lauch gdm is, X is not executable
[07:24] <Drummer> hi all, how do i go about setting up my ubuntu server as a print server?
[07:24] <TheDemon> Syco54645: go ahead
[07:25] <bedi> and i give chmod 777 to /etc/X11/X
[07:25] <Drummer> i'm not sure what packages i need, and i'll be working over ssh (no X)
[07:25] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> I can't get the synaptic package manager to use the wine repository, and the interface has changed since the documentation.
[07:25] <calamari> navyn: and you have uni/multi in your sources.list I'd assume?
[07:26] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> So I went to sourceforge and downloaded the most recent source, and saved it to my desktop.
[07:26] <navyn> yes
[07:26] <navyn> it shows it in there but whenever i click apply to install it is when i get the message
[07:26] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Now I just want to tell ubuntu to compile and run it.
[07:26] <calamari> navyn: hmm.. dunno.. tried refresh?
[07:26] <calamari> err Readload excuse me
[07:26] <navyn> yep
[07:26] <calamari> dunnho then, sorry
[07:27] <navyn> says package has no available version, but exists in database
[07:27] <arathald> I'm trying to get Ogre working- it says its missing files (libOgreMain.so and I suspect also libOgrePlatform.so). there are files in the correct directories labeled libOgreMain.la and libOgrePlatform.la -- whats the deal with this?
[07:27] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> navvyn, are you running on an ibm, or a mac?
[07:27] <navyn> ibm
[07:28] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> okay, nevermind then.
[07:28] <ReleaseX> when i iwlist scan eth1, it tells me the operation is not supported.  I'm have a wireless card that uses orinoco, how can i get scan function to work
[07:28] <calamari> navyn: I'm only seeing two things with e16: e16keyedit, and e16menuedit
[07:29] <professor_chaos> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, if its not a *.deb, you have to compile yourself.
[07:29] <navyn> search for enlightenment
[07:29] <Marble2> can someone help me out? I'm mounting this partition as rw, but when I try to delete files in it, it says cannot delete, read-only file system. what am I doing wrong?
[07:29] <Drummer> anyone??
[07:29] <Gatton> Marble2, if you do an ls -l on it what do the permissions say?
[07:29] <Cry_Mac_Ubuntu> Yes, it is a .tar.gz. I know i need to compile it, but I have never used linux before this week, so I don't know how. I just wanna run diablo.
[07:29] <professor_chaos> Marble2, what type of filesystem (ntfs, fat32, ext)
[07:30] <Marble2> -r--------
[07:30] <Gatton> yikes
[07:30] <Marble2> oh, haha, I think it might be ntfs
[07:30] <Marble2> no wonder mount is forcing me to use read-only
[07:30] <Gatton> Marble2, ahhh in that case no worky. without ntfs write support compiled in. which i don't have the balls to try myself ;)
[07:30] <Marble2> I was just going to delete all the files in it anyway
[07:31] <Marble2> guess I'll go format it to fat32
[07:31] <professor_chaos> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, try (from the commandline) type tar -xvzf *.tar.gz   to extract.
[07:31] <Marble2> err. how do I foramt a partition?
[07:31] <killapop> Marble2: use qtparted
[07:32] <professor_chaos> Cry_Mac_Ubuntu, then from commandline, within the newly created directory, type compile  , then "make", then "make install"
[07:32] <Marble2> isn't there a command line option
[07:32] <Gatton> cfdisk?
[07:32] <cry_mac_ubuntu> professor_chaos: thank you. what ar all those variables?
[07:32] <Marble2> mkfs isn't it?
[07:32] <Gatton> hmm i thought mkfs worked after the format?
[07:32] <Gatton> or after you set your partition type i should say
[07:32] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu,  the tar options???
[07:33] <Gatton> not sure
[07:33] <cry_mac_ubuntu> professor_chaos:  yeah. Also, will that work for ppc as well?
[07:34] <killapop> im having a spot of trouble installing xfce from source
[07:35] <killapop> sorry - im gonna use synaptic :D
[07:35] <cry_mac_ubuntu> is the commandline the same as the root terminal?
[07:35] <professor_chaos> Not sure about ppc, but -x is to extract, -z is for uncompress (use on .gz or bz files) and I foget what -f is for but its always used. Check the man pages for tar by typing man tar.
[07:36] <Madpilot> !compile
[07:36] <ubotu> hmm... compile is tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand
[07:37] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, no command is just a shell (window) interface to the os. Root termial is the same thing, but with root privialges.
[07:37] <Madpilot> hi all
[07:37] <crimsun> killapop: you don't need to install it "from source"
[07:37] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, try not to use root terminal. Instead, use the command sudo.
[07:38] <crimsun> killapop: just enable the universe repository, then install 'xfce4'
[07:39] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, use System -> Terminal
[07:39] <cry_mac_ubuntu> crystufer@ubuntumac
[07:40] <Marble2> hmmm. I added a partition to my fstab, now I go to mount it and I get an error saying only root can mount the partition?
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> crystufer@ubuntumac:~$ tar -xvzf Wine-20050725.tar.gz
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> tar: Wine-20050725.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> tar: Child returned status 2
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> crystufer@ubuntumac:~$
[07:40] <cry_mac_ubuntu> Whoops, sorry.
[07:40] <Madpilot> !paste
[07:40] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[07:40] <Gatton> bwahah oops :)
[07:40] <Madpilot> cry_mac_ubuntu: see above ^^^
[07:40] <Madpilot> ;)
[07:41] <professor_chaos> Marble2, thats correct only root (by default) can mount. Try sudo mount etc
[07:42] <Marble2> professor_chaos: I thought I could mount if it was in my fstab?
[07:42] <valerie_de> hi all i'm new ubuntu user
[07:42] <Gatton> valerie_de, welcome
[07:42] <professor_chaos> Marble2, only at boot time.
[07:42] <Marble2> oh
[07:42] <Marble2> ok
[07:42] <professor_chaos> Marble2, to mount now, you need to supply the command
[07:42] <cry_mac_ubuntu> do i need to change the command to specify the exact location of the tar?
[07:43] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, either that or cd to that directory
[07:43] <Marble2> huh
[07:43] <Marble2> why am i getting a "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" error?
[07:43] <Marble2> I just formatted this partition
[07:44] <Gatton> Marble2, what fs type? ext3? reiser?
[07:44] <Marble2> er i got it
[07:44] <Marble2> it was fat32
[07:44] <Marble2> i had a bad line in my fstab
[07:44] <Marble2> and professor_chaos, yes you can mount at any time if it is in the fstab
[07:44] <Marble2> i just had a incorrectly formatted line, so it wouldn't let me
[07:45] <Gatton> cool. good to know
[07:45] <professor_chaos> Marble2, yes, but the system wont do it for you. You have to supply the mount command
[07:45] <Marble2> i know
[07:45] <Marble2> I was supplying the command
[07:46] <alberttto> Hello,, when hubuntu startsup i it runs a checkdisk then it tells me it had some error's,to press ctrl d or enter roots password,,, the thing is that at that point the keuyboard doesnt work..
[07:46] <professor_chaos> Marble2, the fstab is to supply the necessary information to mount at boot.
[07:46] <alberttto> can anyone help ?
[07:47] <Marble2> right
[07:47] <Marble2> but what I'm saying is, you can mount a partition as a normal user even when you aren't booting if that partition is specified in your fstab
[07:47] <sol> not just at boot...
[07:48] <alberttto> anyone ?
[07:48] <hondje> alberttto: have you tried booting into the safe mode thingie in grub?
[07:48] <alberttto> yes
[07:48] <alberttto> same outcome
[07:49] <hondje> then I'd get out a liveCD and fsck the drive with that
[07:49] <cry_mac_ubuntu> Terminal is a pain, but it is doing something now.
[07:49] <alberttto> hondje im in ecuador and i dont have a boot cd
[07:49] <alberttto> and i need some documents from that partition
[07:49] <alberttto> :-(
[07:49] <professor_chaos> Yes, I stand corrected, if you specify privilage in fstab (of course with sudo privialges) then yes you can mount with normal privilages.
[07:49] <cry_mac_ubuntu> wine-20050725/tools/wrc/
[07:50] <donofrio> need some assistance with a x86 load....
[07:50] <donofrio> [01:43]  <donofrio> getting a non bootable dell notebook.....says /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[07:50] <donofrio> [01:43]  <donofrio> kernel panic on boot?
[07:50] <cry_mac_ubuntu> It gave me a whole bunch of that.
[07:50] <alberttto> there is got to be an way to get around it
[07:50] <hondje> alberttto: are you using a ps2 keyboard?
[07:50] <professor_chaos> BTY, how do you spell privilages. I no I am spelling it wrong.
[07:50] <donofrio> loaded first 30 min on newer dell cpi 366 notebook - moved hard drive to noncd bootable dell xpicd 166 and now it doesn't finish booting?
[07:51] <alberttto> its a laptop
[07:51] <Madpilot> professor_chaos: "privileges" ;)
[07:51] <donofrio> yep
[07:51] <hondje> alberttto: ah...can you attach a keyboard to it?
[07:51] <hondje> That's about all I can think of
[07:51] <professor_chaos> Maddy, thanks, its been a long day.......
[07:51] <alberttto> i cant start single mode
[07:51] <alberttto> ?
[07:52] <professor_chaos> Madpilot, thanks
[07:52] <donofrio> anyone know why my load won't boot?
[07:52] <hondje> alberttto: I don't really know, I'm just throwing ideas out, what I would try :-/
[07:53] <cry_mac_ubuntu> professor_chaos:  Did you say to input "compile"?
[07:53] <PPC_Guy> hey all.. can anyone piont me to where I need to read about multiverse?
[07:53] <donofrio> anyone
[07:53] <Madpilot> professor_chaos: np. the Gnome Dictionary is a great help..
[07:54] <professor_chaos> PPC_Guy, what did you want to learn about multiverse?
[07:54] <cafuego> !repos
[07:54] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:54] <cafuego> I image that's what you're afster...?
[07:55] <PPC_Guy> that be what OI'
[07:55] <PPC_Guy> I'm looking for thankx
[07:56] <donofrio> oaded first 30 min on newer dell cpi 366 notebook - moved hard drive to noncd bootable dell xpicd 166 and now it doesn't finish booting?
[07:56] <donofrio> need some assistance with a x86 load....
[07:56] <donofrio> getting a non bootable dell notebook.....says /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[07:56] <donofrio> kernel panic on boot?
[07:56] <cry_mac_ubuntu> I got it to create the wine directory from the tarball, but I'm still having trouble getting it to compile the program.
[07:57] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, what problems???
[07:57] <cry_mac_ubuntu> bash: compile: command not found
[07:57] <cry_mac_ubuntu> that one.
[07:58] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, did you ./compile
[07:58] <doroto> he
[07:58] <lurah> Windows Vista cames from Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans and Adware
[07:58] <black13> i want to build xorg debug how would i do that
[07:58] <cry_mac_ubuntu> no. ididnt know to.
[07:58] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, also, if there is a make file, just try "make"
[07:58] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, I mean Makefile
[07:59] <PPC_Guy> another question from a n00b. Bought another hd for my linux box.. Where's a good howto on the install? Not the physical. But I what I have to do software wise?
[07:59] <cry_mac_ubuntu> what do you mean a make file?
[07:59] <ReleaseX> when i iwlist scan eth1, it tells me the operation is not supported.  I'm have a wireless card that uses orinoco, how can i get scan function to work
[07:59] <hondje> PPC_Guy: you have to add it to your /etc/fstab file
[07:59] <cafuego> PPC_Guy: Install physically, then boot up, format is (using fdisk/parted and mkfs) and add it to /etc/fstab.
[07:59] <lurah> is there any "simple and well explained tutorial about usung linux for really stupid ones" like me? :D
[07:59] <hondje> man mount and man fstab explain it really well :-)
[07:59] <lurah> using*
[08:00] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, often, source code comes with instructions on what the compiler is to compile. Its usually in a "Makefile"
[08:00] <hondje> lurah: you're at it ;-)
[08:00] <PPC_Guy> cool thanks... Smart enough to read man pages.. Just didn't know which ones to go to
[08:00] <doroto> v
[08:00] <Madpilot> lurah: wiki.ubuntu.com is a decent place to start, aside from right here
[08:01] <lurah> how i can run install.sh file? :D
[08:01] <lurah> darn, i cant do even that :D
[08:01] <professor_chaos> cry_mac_ubuntu, why are your compiling. You can install wine from the repo.
[08:01] <professor_chaos> lurah, try sh ./install.sh
[08:02] <lurah> ok, thx
[08:02] <cry_mac_ubuntu> wine isn't in the repository.
[08:02] <donofrio> getting a non bootable dell notebook.....says /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[08:02] <donofrio> anyone care?
[08:02] <Madpilot> cry_mac_ubuntu: sure it is - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator) This is an ALPHA release of Wine, the MS-Windows emulator. "
[08:02] <cry_mac_ubuntu> They have one, but I can't get synaptic for hoary to use it.
[08:02] <cry_mac_ubuntu> That is the documentation.
[08:02] <cry_mac_ubuntu> The only one si can fine is.
[08:03] <Madpilot> cry_mac_ubuntu: I've got "wine" and "wine-doc" listed. Seperate packages, both in Universe
[08:03] <professor_chaos> you have to add additional repos. Try adding ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net
[08:04] <cry_mac_ubuntu> That's the thing, I can't get it to add a repo. The documentation is old.
[08:04] <Madpilot> !repos
[08:04] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:04] <Madpilot> cry_mac_ubuntu: you've seen the URL that ubotu just produced? That's for Hoary
[08:05] <cratuki> Could anyone suggest why ls for ubuntu would give a different sort order to ls for other distros like gentoo?
[08:05] <cratuki> Under gentoo, ls orders _ as being before anything else
[08:05] <cratuki> whereas under ubuntu, it ignores the _ character when considering sort order
[08:05] <professor_chaos> I gota go. Good luck cry_mac_ubuntu
[08:05] <professor_chaos> good night all!
[08:06] <cratuki> This is annoying because like to have directories called _backup, _bin, etc that display at the top of a listing
[08:06] <hondje> alias -p and see if there's an alias affecting either of them?
[08:07] <cratuki> No - same on both machines
[08:07] <hondje> No clue then :)
[08:07] <cratuki> "ls -lF"
[08:07] <cratuki> thanks anyway :)
[08:07] <cratuki> I suppose I could just copy the binary in from the other machine
[08:07] <deFrysk> cratuki, man ls
[08:07] <Madpilot> cratuki: have a look thru "man ls" and see what sort options you can find.
[08:08] <lurah> ok, i dont have es18xx here. do i need to download it from somewhere to get my darn old ISA sound card work?
[08:08] <Madpilot> cratuki: another thought - does gentoo use a different version of "ls" than Ubuntu does?
[08:09] <cratuki> I'm not sure how to tell - ubuntu will be package derived?
[08:09] <cratuki> I'm guessing there's a build option in ubuntu that's changing it.
[08:09] <Madpilot> cratuki: "ls --version"
[08:09] <cratuki> Nothing in the ls sort options seems to allow you to manually denote exclude characters
[08:10] <Madpilot> lurah: in Ubuntu, do a file search for es18xx
[08:10] <cratuki> aah... it may not be a ls thing... my other binary displays it the same
[08:12] <deFrysk> cratuki, perhaps try mc as filemanager ?
[08:12] <cratuki> hehe
[08:12] <cratuki> I'll have a think about it. thanks guys
[08:12] <lurah> lol, ok. how i search some file? have to do it from console?
[08:12] <cratuki> that would work
[08:13] <Madpilot> lurah: Places - Search for Files
[08:13] <cratuki> the command is just 'find'
[08:13] <lurah> lol, ok
[08:13] <hondje> places -> search for files for the gui
[08:13] <Gatton> find / -name blah
[08:13] <hondje> grep if you want to search inside a file
[08:13] <Gatton> or i guess if you use sudo you'll get fewer no permission warnings
[08:13] <cratuki> lurah: find is actually very powerful, once you get comfortable with that usage, there are ways to get find to execute operations on matching files too.
[08:14] <Madpilot> Gatton: just discovered that. make it "sudo find / -name <foo>"...
[08:14] <Keegan> where can one find a list off all these commands?
[08:14] <lurah> is it find / -es18xx (?)
[08:14] <Gatton> Madpilot, yep that's what i do
[08:14] <Madpilot> lurah: see my reply to Gatton above ^^^
[08:14] <Gatton> hey that reminds me...is there an indexer for ubuntu? i seem to recall i used to use that on a distro way back
[08:15] <troglodyt> first "sudo updatedb", then "locate <filename>"
[08:15] <Gatton> you would invoke it and it indexed your drive and then you had faster searches
[08:16] <Madpilot> lurah & Gatton: "sudo find / -name *es18*" finds it
[08:16] <lurah> lol, ok. now it really does something :D
[08:16] <Madpilot> you've got to have the wildcard * in there
[08:16] <hondje> it'd be easier if ls could show absolute paths
[08:17] <Madpilot> I've been rude about the CLI before, and I'm sure I will be again, but as you start to get used to it it's quite cool, some of the things you can do...
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> okay, here's what i tried
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> i used tune2fs -O ^has_journal
[08:17] <Gatton> eventually you will bring up a term pretty much every session
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> then deleted .journal
[08:17] <deFrysk> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> now i have an ext2fs, right?
[08:17] <deFrysk> there it is
[08:17] <Madpilot> Gatton: I already do. 2nd thing I start, right after my browser...
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> e2fsck says its clean
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> but parted still wont resize it
[08:18] <PurpleMotion> (*&$#@Y)%(*$#(%*
[08:18] <PurpleMotion> this is starting to piss me off
[08:18] <hondje> That means it's miller time
[08:18] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: if the partition is mounted, I'm not sure you *can* resize it...
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> man
[08:19] <lurah> ok, now i know where is that snd-es18xx.ko
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> it's not/wasn't mounted
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> im not stupid
[08:19] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: OK, it was just a thought... I'm putting off resizing my partitions until I get more comfortable w/ Linux...
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> lurah:  you should be able to just: insmod snd-es18xx.ko
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot:  I'm not sure that you can resize ext3 without partition magic (which i dont have)
[08:20] <lurah> "insmod: error inserting 'snd-es18xx.ko': -1 No such device
[08:20] <lurah> "
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> lurah:  try: insmod snd-es18xx
[08:20] <sproingie> parted should resize ext3 with no problems
[08:20] <desrt> does anyone know how to modify the ubuntu installer cd to add more repositories/packages to it and put them on the default install list?
[08:20] <hondje> I resized ext3 the other day, no biggie
[08:20] <deFrysk> PurpleMotion, use parted
[08:21] <PurpleMotion> I've BEEN using parted, people
[08:21] <deFrysk> PurpleMotion, afaIk ext3 is easyest to resize along with ext2
[08:21] <hondje> lol
[08:22] <PurpleMotion> parted says the filesystom has some strange attributes and will not be modified
[08:22] <f_newton> ext3 is just ext2 with journaling
[08:22] <sproingie> i dont think the journal cares that much about the partition specifics
[08:22] <deFrysk> f_newton, yup
[08:22] <PurpleMotion> I'm aware, does not change the fact that parted will not resize it
[08:22] <f_newton> defrysk... yup
[08:22] <sproingie> interesting fact
[08:22] <deFrysk> ;p
[08:22] <hondje> I bet that's frustrating
[08:22] <sproingie> because i've done it several times
[08:22] <lurah> darn, just claims that "no such device"
[08:23] <PurpleMotion> and according to what ive seen ont he net, that's the case for a LOT of people... they recommend turning off journaling and then resizing using parted, but parted at that point gives me the exact same message
[08:23] <f_newton> I use whatever auto partitioner is provided by the os
[08:23] <sproingie> parted even resizes ntfs without defragging it
[08:23] <f_newton> easy peezy\
[08:24] <sproingie> hell if i can figure how it does that
[08:24] <cafuego> sproingie: yes, but it DOES risk your data.
[08:24] <f_newton> i would think that pretty easy to figure out sproingie
[08:24] <PurpleMotion> the only thing i can think of that could be causing a problem is that i need to add to the BEGINNING of the partition
[08:24] <sproingie> cafuego: naw, it's really safe
[08:25] <hondje> how do you fsck vfat? I think my mp3 player would like some love and care
[08:25] <cafuego> hondje: fsck.vfat eh
[08:25] <hondje> fsck /dev/whatever and let it figure it out for itself?
[08:25] <hondje> awesome
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> i have hda1 which is 15g (/) and hda4 which is 50g (/home).. i want to add 30g tot he beginning of hda4
[08:25] <f_newton> how much free space are you leaveing for the partion adjustment swapping to work in PurpleMotion ?
[08:25] <cafuego> sproingie: Well, as safe as running windows, probably.
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> like 9g
[08:26] <f_newton> you still have 9g of free space within the rezised partition?
[08:26] <hondje> does that make all the inodes contiguous, cafuego ?
[08:26] <sproingie> cafuego: heh yeah.  ntfsresize is probably safer than using ntfs
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> i cant resize the partition
[08:26] <cafuego> hondje: No. That's what defrag is for.
[08:27] <hondje> hmm
[08:29] <PurpleMotion> who do all the oddball 'thats not supposed to happen' things always ALWAYS happen to me
[08:29] <hondje> defrag says it only does ext2, minix and xiafs
[08:29] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: because they have to happen to *somebody*? ;)
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> BLAH
[08:30] <Madpilot> sorry, that probably wasn't helpful...
[08:30] <hondje> Take one for the team, man
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> heh
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> look
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> i need to resize this partition
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> there's no other plausible way for me to do this
[08:31] <redtech> !w32codecs
[08:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org )
[08:31] <hondje> hmm, defrag doesn't support vfat, and dosfstools doesn't make inodes contiguous ... what shall hondje do?
[08:31] <Keegan> can I install the KDE core desktop onto ubuntu?
[08:32] <hondje> Keegan: yes
[08:32] <synd_> Keegan: yes
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> Keegan:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <deFrysk> Keegan, please dont
[08:32] <deFrysk> Keegan, its sooooo ugly
[08:32] <deFrysk> ;p
[08:32] <Keegan> can I use synamptic?
[08:32] <Keegan> is it?
[08:32] <deFrysk> yes
[08:32] <deFrysk> very
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> I heart kde
[08:32] <hondje> Keegan: don't mind him, he's dutch
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> u shuddup DeFi
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> err deFrysk
[08:32] <hondje> :-)
[08:32] <professor_chaos> its just eyecandy
[08:32] <deFrysk> hondje, ;p
[08:32] <Keegan> well, I am very much a beginner at this
[08:33] <sproingie> i think someone wanting to install kde isn't interested in random hate from the peanut gallery
[08:33] <hondje> Keegan: You can use synaptic
[08:33] <PurpleMotion> kde rules
[08:33] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, as far as I know the only limitations you run in to is if you are trying to change the mft locations with a resizer or you dont have enough swap room on your potential resized partition to place the "files in waiting"
[08:33] <Keegan> if it will cause problems, I won't do it
[08:33] <sproingie> let him install it and make up his mind
[08:33] <hondje> Keegan: Just enable the 'universe' repositories
[08:33] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  mft?
[08:33] <hondje> Keegan: there's nothing wrong with it, it's just personal taste :)
[08:33] <professor_chaos> Keegan, ya, install it and find out what you like better.
[08:33] <Keegan> hondje: how do I enable universe repositories?
[08:33] <hondje> !tell Keegan about repos
[08:34] <professor_chaos> Keegan, gnome works best for me!
[08:34] <hondje> voila!
[08:34] <f_newton> yeah its the part of the ntfs file table that you cannot move without a good commercial defragger
[08:34] <f_newton> diskeeper works
[08:34] <deFrysk> !unuverse
[08:34] <ubotu> deFrysk: I haven't a clue
[08:34] <deFrysk> !universe
[08:34] <hondje> that's lame
[08:34] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[08:34] <deFrysk> !repositories
[08:34] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:34] <hondje> it's the 21st century, why doesn't it take care of itself
[08:34] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  im trying to resize ext3
[08:34] <DigitalFox> can anyone recommend a good GNOME menu editor?
[08:34] <sproingie> f_newton: the lovely thing about the mft is the way it grows and grows, since every file under 512 bytes actually lives inside the mft
[08:34] <hondje> DigitalFox: Smeg
[08:34] <deFrysk> DigitalFox, smeg
[08:34] <professor_chaos> DigitalFox, Smeg
[08:35] <f_newton> well then crud never mind
[08:35] <Amaranth> *beep* *beep* *beep*
[08:35] <professor_chaos> Smeg it is
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> hondje: use mkfs.vfat   and just use the format command to clean it up
[08:35] <Amaranth> !smeg
[08:35] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[08:35] <hondje> Linux_Galore: Wouldn't that delete the data, though?
[08:35] <DigitalFox> aww, not in the main repositories
[08:35] <DigitalFox> thanks though
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> hondje: well what are you trying to do ??
[08:36] <sproingie> man, this damn box has some heat problems
[08:36] <Amaranth> DigitalFox: I'm going to be in main and the default in breezy.
[08:36] <f_newton> smeg are the little chunky bits left behind in the bog after a serious clog...
[08:36] <Amaranth> err, It's
[08:36] <sproingie> does linux support the amd cool&quiet mode?
[08:36] <hondje> Linux_Galore: make the inodes contiguous on my mp3 player, which mounts as an external usb drive
[08:36] <DigitalFox> Ubuntu needs a graphical installer for .deb files
[08:37] <Amaranth> f_newton: smeg is Simple Menu Editor for GNOME or a generic swear word from red dwarf
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> hondje: the fs is defined by the players firmware
[08:37] <DigitalFox> you know, simple "This will install the package for "smeg""
[08:37] <hondje> Linux_Galore: It's vfat
[08:37] <f_newton> Amaranth, yes thats where I got the chunky bits remark\\
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> hondje: yeah but there is vfat and then there is somthing that looks like vfat thanks to some firmware
[08:37] <hondje> It's literally a usb minidrive with stuff added on
[08:37] <hondje> oh
[08:38] <hondje> stupid archos
[08:38] <f_newton> rimmer's a smeghead...
[08:38] <sproingie> oddly, the file manager doesn't have an "install" options for deb
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> reddwarf:
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    Cat "There's one thing you should know. Last time we met I was wearing
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    a cute little black number with peach trim and gold spangles, and
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    although it looks like I'm wearing the same outfit today, it is in
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    fact an entirely different cute little black number, with completely
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    different gold spangles! "
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>    - Cat, Rimmerworld
[08:38] <Linux_Galore>
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> GALORE!
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> sorry
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> <-- Jay (x_umop_episdn_x form yahoo)
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> usually there not that long
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> whats up
[08:39] <Madpilot> Linux_Galore: that'll be a unique cut'n'paste to be booted for... ;)
[08:39] <hondje> The docs with it recommend running windows defrag on it regularly, but naturally I don't have windows so I was trying to figure out what to do...been a good year or so since I did anything with it
[08:39] <professor_chaos> Linux_Galore is a geek
[08:39] <grover> hmm any ubuntu java nice solution? the repos published by the ubuntu java project seem to not be working
[08:39] <sproingie> Madpilot: naw, you flood here and you get devoiced
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> Madpilot: ?? cut and past....why would I use that with Linux
[08:39] <Amaranth> hondje: why would a flash drive need defragmented?
[08:39] <Madpilot> grover: the real thing works just fine - the JRE
[08:39] <hondje> Amaranth: it's not a flash drive
[08:39] <Amaranth> hondje: there is no speed penalty for seeking
[08:39] <Amaranth> oh
[08:39] <hondje> It's a harddrive
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> guys, Linux_Galore is the person who got me onto ubuntu
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> lol Im a geek.... what of it
[08:40] <Madpilot> Linux_Galore: OK, copy-paste or middle-click-paste - you know what I meant...
[08:40] <hondje> funky toy, little brick for mp3, can connect to stuff and rip, microphone, CF reader, etc
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> Im also the guy who likes to piss the ubuntu dev guys off...lol
[08:40] <professor_chaos> Linux_Galore, its cool. Me too, I love red dwarf.
[08:40] <f_newton> it was an op in fedora that brought me to fedora
[08:40] <f_newton> uh ubuntu
[08:40] <f_newton> lol
[08:40] <DigitalFox> any other menu editors aside from smeg? smeg requires a later python-xdg package than ubuntu has
[08:40] <Amaranth> DigitalFox: I know of two others.
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> porfyeah I created a script that grabs stuff from the bcc
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> oops
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> professor_chaos: thats was for you
[08:41] <Amaranth> DigitalFox: And they require GNOME 2.11
[08:41] <hondje> doesn't you install script install the python stuff, Amaranth ?
[08:42] <Keegan> after I have enabled the universe repos, do I just instal the core KDE desktop enviroment?
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> SCRIPS Alert*
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> cat reddwarf
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> #!/bin/bash
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> #Gets RedDwarf quote from BBC
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> lynx --dump http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/reddwarf/factbox/index.shtml \
[08:42] <Linux_Galore>         |gawk "{IGNORECASE=1}; /send it in./,/Suggested/" \
[08:42] <Linux_Galore>         |sed -e "1d" -e "s/Suggested.*//"
[08:42] <deFrysk> Keegan, kubuntu-desktop
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> thats it
[08:42] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Linux_Galore about paste
[08:43] <deFrysk> hightlight is copy
[08:43] <Keegan> so I have to put on a completely seperate OS?
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> put that in a text file called reddwarf and chmod a+x  reddwarf  then mc  reddwarf  /usr/local/bin
[08:43] <deFrysk> middle click is paste
[08:43] <DigitalFox> Keegan: no
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> oops
[08:43] <DigitalFox> Keegan: it's a separate package for Ubuntu
[08:43] <Linux_Galore>  mv  reddwarf  /usr/local/bin
[08:43] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: Don't do that.
[08:43] <DigitalFox> it's not a separate OS, just a separate operating environment
[08:44] <grover> Madpilot: is there a repo for the JRE?
[08:44] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:44] <DigitalFox> grover: backports
[08:44] <Linux_Galore> hmm piiiiza
[08:44] <Amaranth> DigitalFox: No, backports don't have Java.
[08:44] <deFrysk> !jre
[08:44] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, deFrysk
[08:44] <hondje> !java
[08:44] <ubotu> methinks java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.  Anyone running BitchX with Hoary?
[08:45] <hondje> For various values of illegal
[08:45] <redtech> damn I just found a problem with this switch over..  I gotta get new porn now
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> lol
[08:45] <Madpilot> sometimes goofy values of illegal...
[08:45] <Madpilot> redtech: your porn was OS-specific?
[08:45] <f_newton> lol
[08:45] <petti> :D
[08:45] <professor_chaos> redguy_,  all my old porn is compatible????
[08:45] <Amaranth> Guys...
[08:46] <hondje> I think it's relevant
[08:46] <redtech> technicall not..  but wmv files
[08:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'sun-j2re1.5' returned no results.
[08:46] <professor_chaos> Linux if very pro-pron
[08:46] <hondje> I know someone who switched so they can browse pornsites without worry
[08:46] <petti> is there a porn-howto for ububtu or linux in general?
[08:46] <petti> there should be if not..
[08:46] <deFrysk> porn-OS
[08:46] <deFrysk> nice ring :)
[08:46] <professor_chaos> lol
[08:46] <hondje> lesbian linux, with porn-get
[08:46] <crimsun> discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:46] <Madpilot> Amaranth: sorry, it was too good a line to pass up...
[08:46] <windex> i think someone made a livecd with a whole load of porn on it once.
[08:46] <redtech> and streaming quicktime videos?
[08:46] <Linux_Galore> theres some nice plugins for firefox for pron sites Ive noticed.
[08:47] <Madpilot> redtech: all of that stuff is in w32codecs.
[08:47] <hondje> !tell redtech about restricted
[08:47] <f_newton> so... how bout ubuntu
[08:47] <redtech> i installed that
[08:47] <f_newton> ?
[08:47] <Linux_Galore> I use wine and quicktime to get that stuff working
[08:47] <hondje> that's a whole lot of work, Linux_Galore
[08:47] <redtech> crimsun, thx didnt know that was there.
[08:47] <redtech> hondje, thanks for the link
[08:47] <PPC_Guy> would a simple apt-get install BitchX work? Or is that wishful thinkin?
[08:47] <hondje> PPC_Guy: I bet it would
[08:47] <crimsun> PPC_Guy: 'bitchx'
[08:47] <Madpilot> redtech: ah, sorry, QuickTime streaming is one of the things that doesn't work, AFAIK
[08:48] <hondje> PPC_Guy: it's in universe
[08:48] <proven> hello
[08:48] <Linux_Galore> hondje: nope no work at all....Ive got crossover, theres an install wizard that does the whole lot for you...download quicktime installs it and links it in
[08:48] <PPC_Guy> sweet.. it worked.. Just thought I would ask first... Didn't want to muck anything up
[08:48] <PPC_Guy> brb
[08:49] <Linux_Galore> <-- has quicktime streaming working dine
[08:49] <Linux_Galore> fine*
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> im gonna make some burritos, bbiaf
[08:50] <transgress> anyone know a good wiki for setting up NFS?
[08:50] <cledusddp> thanx for the help.. missed bitchx :)
[08:50] <Linux_Galore> transgress:  www.google.com/linux  is your buddy
[08:50] <hondje> transgress: is there none on the wiki.ubuntu.com site?
[08:50] <Keegan> i installed GCC, now how do i get it to run?
[08:50] <hondje> transgress: if not, I should make one, I haven't written a page in like, a week
[08:50] <Linux_Galore> Keegan: ?? you dont
[08:51] <hondje> man gcc :)
[08:51] <Keegan> Linux_Galore, I thought it was a compiler
[08:51] <Linux_Galore> Keegan: the source build code that you download will use gcc
[08:51] <Madpilot> transgress: it looks like there's a bunch of NFS pages in the ubuntu wiki
[08:51] <Linux_Galore> Keegan: yes its a compiler....thats all it is
[08:51] <proven> why i cant load my linux to a LCD monitor
[08:52] <Keegan> linux_galore: so I cannot write my own C++ code?
[08:52] <Linux_Galore> Keegan: yes
[08:52] <hondje> Of course you can, Keegan
[08:52] <cledusddp> quetion.. Is there more success at DVD play back with Mplayer than Totem?
[08:52] <Keegan> hondje: with wat?
[08:52] <cledusddp> All Totem does on my sys is lock up
[08:52] <hondje> Keegan: with whatever you want....I personally use vim
[08:52] <Linux_Galore> Keegan: gcc isnt fro creating code it just a compiler.....you need to find a front end editor
[08:53] <professor_chaos> for me, totem works, mplayer doesn't
[08:53] <hondje> same here, I use totem-xine
[08:53] <proven> what is a compiler
[08:53] <cledusddp> guess I'll grab mplayer and try my luck.. thx
[08:53] <jack|ass> has anyone seen a problem with SSH on ubuntu where you'll connect to a remote server and if you leave it a couple five minutes, it'll lock up?
[08:53] <Linux_Galore> Ive noticed gnome 2.10 has done a major refit of totem
[08:53] <Keegan> hondje: wat r a couple of other ones out there?
[08:53] <hondje> proven: to oversimplify it, it takes code and turns it into 1s and 0s
[08:53] <Linux_Galore> oops  2.12 sorry
[08:53] <jack|ass> (you'll have to reconnect)
[08:54] <hondje> Keegan: emacs, nano, gedit....tons
[08:54] <proven> aahhh, any specific application?
[08:54] <hondje> If you're wanting an IDE I can't think of a gnome one, I use qt designer
[08:54] <Linux_Galore> I was commenting how there isnt a services manager in Ubuntu or gnome and then I install gnome 2.12 of cvs and bingo theres a services manager
[08:54] <hondje> for what little I code that requires a gui
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> Chaotic_Reality:  it work?
[08:55] <hondje> !tell proven about restricted
[08:55] <hondje> proven: that'll help you out :)
[08:55] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: They moved the playlist, that's about it. :P
[08:55] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: no in the new version of totem the back end is gstreamer now
[08:56] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: It is in 2.10 too.
[08:56] <hondje> unless you install totem-xine
[08:56] <Amaranth> Exactly.
[08:56] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: I didnt thing 2.10 used gstreamer
[08:56] <Linux_Galore> think*
[08:56] <cledusddp> how would I go about that? Just an apt-get?
[08:57] <Amaranth> 2.10 uses gstreamer all over the place
[08:57] <Linux_Galore> aah
[08:57] <hanasaki> anyuone got postfix running w/ maildir delivery?
[08:57] <hondje> cledusddp: do what?
[08:57] <cledusddp> install totem-xine
[08:57] <hondje> cledusddp: ah, yes... apt-get install totem-xine
[08:57] <synd_> !tell synd about restricted
[08:57] <lurah> sudo apt-get install gftp gives me an "E: Couldn't find package gftp" for a third day. is it anymore available at all?
[08:57] <hanasaki> thoght totem and xine were competitors?
[08:57] <synd_> wow, thats nice
[08:58] <cledusddp> thx
[08:58] <hondje> competitors?
[08:58] <Amaranth> hanasaki: err, no
[08:58] <hanasaki> what is totem vs xine
[08:58] <Amaranth> hanasaki: there are no competitors in open-source software
[08:58] <Amaranth> !info gftp
[08:58] <hondje> hanasaki: do you have universe enabled?
[08:58] <ubotu> gftp: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
[08:58] <crimsun> hanasaki: no. Totem is capable of using gstreamer or xine for the backend.
[08:58] <hanasaki> yes
[08:58] <hanasaki> ah.. so why use one vs the toher?
[08:58] <dade`>   gedit: Depends: libaspell15 (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed
[08:58] <dade`> E: Broken packages
[08:58] <dade`> is that normal ?
[08:58] <hondje> I like this fireFTP extension
[08:59] <hondje> hanasaki: personal preference?
[08:59] <Linux_Galore> Im so used to wget I dont bother with front end ftp stuff
[08:59] <dade`> i think gedit is important
[08:59] <Amaranth> dade`: In breezy it's normal.
[08:59] <hondje> I use totem-xine because I use xine
[08:59] <hanasaki> i took out totem and use gxine and xine.. totme seemed to crash alot and no audio
[08:59] <dade`> ok
[08:59] <dade`> Amaranth: i have only to wait ?
[09:00] <professor_chaos> dade`, yes, install libaspell15 the same way.
[09:00] <hondje> wget uploads things?
[09:00] <Amaranth> dade`: If you need things to work don't use breezy. gedit doesn't work right now anyway due to a gnome-vfs bug
[09:00] <DigitalFox> are home folders not going to be readable by default in Breezy?
[09:00] <PurpleMotion> and when you need to browse around, ncftp :)
[09:00] <DigitalFox> readable to all*
[09:00] <Amaranth> dade`: eog, abiword, bluefish, these are all unable to open files in breezy
[09:00] <DigitalFox> it's a really annoying feature to me as a sysadmin
[09:00] <hanasaki> horay is locked at gnome 2.10 right? no 2.12?
[09:00] <Amaranth> right
[09:00] <DigitalFox> hanasaki: yes
[09:00] <nelsongs> is there any word on hp notebooks with ubuntu?
[09:00] <dade`> noo
[09:00] <dionysus> hanasaki, ive got totem-gstreamer, mplayer and noatun on my machine, and with my collection of video files i have some that work in some players and not the others...configuration issues no doubt that i should really stop being lazy about and try to track down and fix, but as it stands now i just keep switching players as need be
[09:00] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ ls -la /home/mousie
[09:00] <PurpleMotion> ls: /home/mousie: Permission denied
[09:01] <dade`> works works
[09:01] <PurpleMotion> thats default behavior
[09:01] <Linux_Galore> nelsongs: they dont actually have Ubuntu on them they just have an optional cd
[09:01] <hanasaki> someone good w/ postfix? i need a hand. i cant get maildir to work
[09:01] <pmai> "ques -ce tu veux?" <-- what meant?
[09:01] <blakamin> nelsongs: what HP?
[09:01] <Amaranth> dade`: What?
[09:01] <professor_chaos> nelsongs,  I use ubuntu on a hp notebook
[09:01] <dade`> i use breezy cause i need bleeding edge packages
[09:01] <dade`> now gedit works
[09:02] <Amaranth> dade`: Well, when you're on the bleeding edge you do get cut.
[09:02] <Amaranth> dade`: And I doubt you _need_ the bleeding edge packages.
[09:02] <dade`> yes, i thought less :P
[09:02] <DigitalFox> if you need bleeding edge packages
[09:02] <DigitalFox> build from source
[09:02] <blakamin> nelsongs: I've had allsorts of linux on a ze4520ap pavillion... runs sweet
[09:02] <dade`> i don't dubt
[09:02] <dade`> :D
[09:02] <dionysus> how stable is breezy right now btw? and is it pretty much directly ubuntu's equivalent of sid, or are there other restrictions that keep it more stable?
[09:02] <dionysus> haven't used ubuntu much, as you guys can probably tell :)
[09:03] <crimsun> Breezy sees far more churn than Sid.
[09:03] <dionysus> ah k cool ty
[09:03] <Amaranth> dionysus: gedit, eog, abiword, bluefish, and a bunch of other apps can't even open files right now
[09:03] <Amaranth> dionysus: And this is if you even manage to get X working.
[09:03] <professor_chaos> sees far more churn?????
[09:03] <dionysus> heh
[09:03] <hondje> lol
[09:03] <Amaranth> professor_chaos: Yes.
[09:03] <Keegan> once I download the eclipse .bin file, how do I install it?
[09:03] <dade`> what means that they can't open files ?
[09:03] <dade`> i'm opening files
[09:03] <dade`> with gedit
[09:03] <dade`> right now
[09:03] <Keegan> and how do I install things from a .tar.gz?
[09:03] <Amaranth> dade`: You try to click the 'open' button and it crashes.
[09:04] <dade`> aaaa
[09:04] <professor_chaos> Amaranth, what does that mean???
[09:04] <dade`> yes, i saw that
[09:04] <hondje> Keegan: you sure you want to?
[09:04] <dade`> i just open in an other way :D
[09:04] <hondje> Odds are synaptic can install it for you
[09:04] <Keegan> hondje: wat other way is there?
[09:04] <hondje> what are you trying to install?
[09:04] <Amaranth> professor_chaos: breezy switched to gcc 4 first and we're moving to X11R7 (Xorg 7.0) before anyone else
[09:04] <Keegan> I am trying to install JRE (.tar.gz) & eclipse (.bin)
[09:05] <professor_chaos> Keegan, tar -xvzf *.tar.gz, then ./configure     make     make install
[09:05] <dionysus> synaptic doesn't do eclipse with multi/uni added...there may be an apt/deb source for it but if so i havent' found it
[09:05] <hondje> R7 is going to kick ass
[09:05] <Amaranth> hondje: meh
[09:05] <dionysus> well the .tar.gz anyhow
[09:05] <Amaranth> hondje: that's the only thing is has over 6.8 that is going to make much of a difference
[09:06] <Keegan> professor_chaos: I type this in the root terminal?
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> professor_chaos: Im suprised there isnt something like kconfigure for newbies on ubuntu so they can build source packages
[09:06] <dionysus> easy enough to set up, just untar it, you don't have to build from source as it is all in java anyhow
[09:06] <Amaranth> hondje: unless all the drivers get full exa support and it stabilizes
[09:06] <hondje> Amaranth: for now...now that Xorg is rocking I have hope. Dawes took forever
[09:06] <dionysus> Keegan, you can get java installed through apt, i found that less painful (i went off the instructions on ubuntuguide.org)
[09:07] <professor_chaos> Keegan, either root terminal or I recommend just plain old terminal
[09:07] <dionysus> its in multiverse or universe or something
[09:07] <professor_chaos> Linux_Galore, I agree
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> I do lie....there is a easy source building app for newbies -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/gconfigure/
[09:07] <hondje> um, java comes from java.com in a binary, doesn't it?
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> and it gtk based
[09:07] <Amaranth> dionysus: It's not in Ubuntu and anyone giving you a .deb or repository for it is breaking the law
[09:07] <hondje> I haven't installed it in a good month, I forget
[09:08] <Keegan> dionysus: do u have that link handy?
[09:08] <dionysus> Amaranth, sun aren't big fans of anyone else distributing java? what about blackdown/sable/gcj etc, or do they not count?
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> adds gconfigure to the "must have on DVD version of ubuntu" request list
[09:09] <Amaranth> dionysus: blackdown is allowed, those others are free reimplementations
[09:09] <hondje> dionysus: that's not java's vm
[09:09] <hondje> er, sun's java vm
[09:09] <hondje> ewe vm is nice, for anyone wanting to play with java on a pda
[09:09] <hondje> fwiw
[09:10] <dionysus> ah ok
[09:10] <Amaranth> gcj is nice for people who care about speed and memory usage :)
[09:10] <hondje> +Freedom
[09:10] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: is gconfigure in main?
[09:11] <Amaranth> ack, monodevelop just crashed and i lost an hour of work
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: not that I can see
[09:11] <hondje> :(
[09:12] <professor_chaos> Amaranth, me neither
[09:12] <Amaranth> something seems to be working against me working on smeg 0.8 :P
[09:12] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: the DVD only ships things in main
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: need to add it to main then
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> gconfigure looks very nice
[09:13] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: Need to prove it's 1) secure 2) stable 3) useful
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: well kconfigure works fine and thats about three years old
[09:14] <valerie_1138> hi all
[09:14] <professor_chaos> valerie_1138, hey
[09:14] <Amaranth> !info kconfigure
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: its small its only 12k
[09:14] <Amaranth> not there either
[09:14] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: You need to get it into universe before you can even talk about main
[09:14] <atok> Question: Where can i get some small mp3 player ?
[09:15] <Amaranth> atok: xmms
[09:15] <magneto> midgets
[09:15] <hondje> beep-media-player
[09:15] <magneto> amarok is kinda small for an.................
[09:15] <magneto> operating system
[09:16] <dionysus> lol
[09:16] <atok> thx
[09:16] <magneto> lmao
[09:17] <magneto> me too emacarok would be kewl
[09:17] <hondje> I bet it'd become aware and start composing songs
[09:18] <magneto> That is how the movie terminator starts
[09:18] <hondje> with emacs?
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: just installed it...it comes with a nautilus plugin so you can compile via the file manager
[09:19] <magneto> then it starts to create pornographic music videos and spreads across the internet via porn sites
[09:19] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: That'll never get into main.
[09:19] <Linux_Galore> lol
[09:19] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: well there are two parts to it ..there is gconfigure  and gconfigure-nautilus  the latter is optional
[09:20] <magneto> skynet was an mp3 player hondje
[09:20] <hondje> I'd believe it
[09:20] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: The nautilus plugin isn't why it'll never get into main.
[09:20] <hondje> probably ripped dvds too
[09:20] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: Having something in main that makes it even easier to destroy your system is a bad idea.
[09:20] <magneto> shhhhh that's illegal
[09:20] <hondje> I can talk quantum mechanics all day, but can't figure out how to make dvd::rip work :(
[09:20] <hondje> Too many buttons
[09:21] <magneto> lmao want to know a secret?
[09:21] <transgress> i do
[09:21] <transgress> i do
[09:21] <transgress> i do
[09:21] <Amaranth> *cough*
[09:21] <transgress>  and so does joe
[09:21] <PurpleMotion> Linux_Galore:  remember when I was talking about the only thing i didnt like about the ubuntu community? they think eveything that we consider a right of passage in linux is a bad idea
[09:21] <magneto> http://f0rked.com/core/simplerip
[09:22] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: We try to make sure end users don't have an easy way to break their computers.
[09:22] <hondje> Why does someone need to pass a rite of passage to gain their freedom?
[09:22] <hondje> Freedom is a right
[09:22] <magneto> i h8 dvdrip
[09:22] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: and wtf is a 'rite of passage' in linux?
[09:22] <transgress> Amaranth: when you move beyond windoze jokes
[09:22] <professor_chaos> discipline
[09:22] <gorilla_> hondje, not really freedom is a "right" that was fought for in the past.
[09:22] <magneto> a rite of passage in linux is compiling a kernel the ubuntu way lmao
[09:22] <Linux_Galore> lol Ive always been against the "rite of passage"
[09:22] <Amaranth> transgress: Most of the community will never get to that stage.
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  I just think that you don't give people enough credit.. if someone is switching to linux, they already know they're going to have to learn a few things.. might as well help them learn a little basic computer usage skills..*shrug*
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> <-- is a big fan of "it just works"
[09:23] <deFrysk> gorilla_, and in the present
[09:23] <dionysus> magneto, heh haven't tried that yet....the ubuntu way != the debian way?
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> recompiling and installing a kernel for the first time is a rite of passage
[09:23] <grover> dude I've been using linux for a very long time and I still can't figure out how to build a kernel on ubuntu
[09:23] <magneto> i prefer adult circumcision to ubuntu/debian kerneling
[09:23] <doroto> sb help me with my trouble
[09:23] <gorilla_> deFrysk, granted :-)
[09:23] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: If you want to compile something either you're doing something wrong or Ubuntu has failed you.
[09:23] <doroto> i am devastated
[09:23] <Amaranth> err, not want
[09:23] <Amaranth> if you have to
[09:24] <Linux_Galore> there is a script you can get that hand hold you through the kernel build process
[09:24] <deFrysk> the ubuntu way is the debian YaY!!
[09:24] <magneto> ive done it
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> see, that's wrong
[09:24] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: And why should people have to learn how to compile and configure things just because they're using linux?
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> ubuntu hasnt failed me
[09:24] <magneto> but i dont like it
[09:24] <hondje> Freedom, baby
[09:24] <DigitalFox> hondje: I want to make a wallpaper of that
[09:24] <DigitalFox> GNU/Hippy
[09:24] <magneto> freedom to waste time
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> i just wanted that particular program compiled from source to make it a little sturdier, a little faster
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[09:24] <DigitalFox> it just looks so nice
[09:24] <hondje> DigitalFox: hehe
[09:25] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: You should use gentoo.
[09:25] <hondje> :)
[09:25] <DigitalFox> compiling from source doesn't make things sturdier or faster.
[09:25] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: You can recompile the entire system from scratch and you'll get at most a 3% speed increase.
[09:25] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Get the flags wrong and you'll actually slow things down.
[09:25] <magneto> gentoo devs infiltrated ubuntu and made them kernels the debian way
[09:25] <hondje> *in theory, YMMV
[09:25] <deFrysk> DigitalFox, it sure makes things look more interesting
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> <-- tried gentoo , 2 weeks later wonder why the heck he bothered
[09:25] <magneto> been there done that amaranth
[09:25] <DigitalFox> deFrysk: huh
[09:25] <DigitalFox> deFrysk: how?
[09:25] <DigitalFox> my computer shouldn't be "interesting"
[09:25] <DigitalFox> it should work
[09:25] <magneto> i was a die HARD gentoo user for 2 years
[09:26] <deFrysk> DigitalFox, as in see how smart i am
[09:26] <Amaranth> I'm not a die hard anything.
[09:26] <magneto> until ubuntu made me realize i was an idiot
[09:26] <hondje> gentoo-hardened kicks ass
[09:26] <DigitalFox> deFrysk: huh?
[09:26] <deFrysk> gentoo is fun untill you get it
[09:26] <hl11> hi all
[09:26] <Amaranth> I use Windows to play games, GNOME because it's easier, and Ubuntu because it does the hard stuff for me.
[09:26] <magneto> damn amaranth you just want to die easy?
[09:26] <deFrysk> DigitalFox, nm
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> man if they have gnome 2.12 in 6.04 Ubuntu is going to kick ass I love it....right up there with KDE 3.5
[09:26] <DigitalFox> gentoo is fun until you actually need to do something and you haven't been keeping up with things :)
[09:26] <hondje> I use linux because I learned the value of freedom the hard way
[09:27] <DigitalFox> hondje: how?
[09:27] <hondje> a couple years in prison
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> <-- cvs junkie
[09:27] <Amaranth> If Windows was better at the things I like I'd switch back. If KDE was simpler than GNOME I'd jump, if I found something better than Ubuntu I'd be gone.
[09:27] <magneto> lmao
[09:27] <DigitalFox> hondje: for what, if I may ask?
[09:27] <hondje> distribution/manufacture
[09:27] <f_newton> I use linux because it does what I need it to without having to pay a fee to microsoft every time I turn around
[09:27] <highvoltage> Amaranth: hear hear! we use ubuntu because it's best!
[09:27] <DigitalFox> ah.
[09:27] <Amaranth> Linux_Galore: GNOME 2.12 is in 5.10
[09:27] <magneto> if KDE wasn't like a gay swedish windowsXp id use it
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth:  true... i dunno, i just think that discouraging perfectly safe (if you follow directions) practices because they could break something is something of an insult to your user base... *shrug* ymmv, but I've had this 'we know whats best for you' vibe from the project  since i started using it.. but its the best dist ive used to date, and the help here IS first class
[09:28] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: cool
[09:28] <hondje> did 2.5 total, and I finish my 5 on parole on Nov 22nd...now I study physics/math and raise a wonderful daughter :)
[09:28] <magneto> no offense to gay people
[09:28] <deFrysk> 2.14 wil be in 06.04
[09:28] <Linux_Galore> Amaranth: I built it myself with a script from the gnome home page
[09:28] <f_newton> Amaranth, that pretty much says it all
[09:28] <zaguar> When will gnome 3.0 be out?
[09:28] <Amaranth> zaguar: never
[09:28] <f_newton> lol
[09:28] <highvoltage> magneto: and the swedish? do you have something against them?
[09:28] <zaguar> have they got a release scedule
[09:28] <cledusddp> okay one more question here.. How do I get java support for firefox?
[09:28] <hondje> When e17 comes out
[09:28] <deFrysk> !java
[09:28] <ubotu> methinks java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:28] <Amaranth> zaguar: If they have a 3.0 it'll just be what they have now but with a new number
[09:29] <hondje> No big change like 1->2?
[09:29] <zaguar> Nah
[09:29] <Amaranth> nope
[09:29] <Linux_Galore> yeah KDE 4 is about to go into action
[09:29] <zaguar> i disagree
[09:29] <atok> Question: How to reset soundcard ?
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> kde is anything you want it to be.. it's by FAR the most feature rich desktop you can get, and is still easy for beginners and ultra-configurable for the expert.. not only are you a homephobe, you have _no_idea_ what you're talking about..
[09:29] <zaguar> have you seen the mockups/previews?
[09:29] <cledusddp> don't have multiverse so guess that has to happen first
[09:29] <Amaranth> zaguar: The GNOME developers generally agree with me.
[09:29] <wolverian> Amaranth, huh? gnome3 is slated to be a drastic redesign (if they ever get the development running)
[09:29] <hondje> hehe, homephobe
[09:29] <Amaranth> zaguar: Those aren't made by the people writing the code.
[09:29] <zaguar> I say one
[09:30] <wolverian> Amaranth, see project topaz
[09:30] <atok> Question: How to reset soundcard ?
[09:30] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, kde tries to be everything thats why its not anything  Iwant
[09:30] <zaguar> Actually, it was
[09:30] <zaguar> IIRC
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> f_newton:  I love kde dude
[09:30] <Amaranth> wolverian: Nope, that's all crack that is basically never going to happen.
[09:30] <f_newton> its glitchy like a drunken psycho off his meds
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> it's the desktop i always wanted
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> I gave a Knoppix 3.9 CD to a buddy of mine a few days ago he rang me and said "wow" why am I still suing windows
[09:30] <deFrysk> f_newton, good statement :)
[09:30] <zaguar> suing?
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> using*
[09:30] <zaguar> LOL
[09:30] <wolverian> Amaranth, hmm. I've gotten the impression that jeff waugh really wants it to happen, in some form.
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> same really lol
[09:30] <Amaranth> We've seen the error of our ways and don't want to throw away a solid base.
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> Linux_Galore:  3.9 blows.. i rolled back to 3.7 for my rescue cd's.. i hated 3.9
[09:30] <doroto> who can help me, a new user
[09:30] <hondje> KDE is cluttered, I don't like it, but it has a ton going for it
[09:30] <zaguar> I use 3.8
[09:30] <Amaranth> wolverian: Jeff Waugh himself has said he doesn't want 3.0 to break everything.
[09:30] <zaguar> KDE is just to ugly
[09:30] <hondje> kio slaves, ease of development, awesome libs, etc
[09:30] <zaguar> I dunno why
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> PurpleMotion: 3.9 and 3.8 (my default) works fine for me
[09:30] <deFrysk> the only stable kde is a screenshot of kde
[09:30] <zaguar>  it just is
[09:30] <Amaranth> wolverian: Watch his GUADEC 6 keynote
[09:30] <f_newton> doroto, whats the problem?
[09:31] <doroto> come on, i am sweating
[09:31] <uka`> siapa yg orang indonesia
[09:31] <uka`> siapa yg orang indonesia
[09:31] <uka`> siapa yg orang indonesia
[09:31] <wolverian> Amaranth, I'm talking about interface, nothing more. yes, I'm basing my opinion on that keynote. :)
[09:31] <zaguar> gnome is softer
[09:31] <uka`> pv me
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> yeah i dont like either of them.. frustration with 3.9 and your comments on LFS:1 on yahoo are what drove me to ubuntu
[09:31] <Elsidox> wolverian, what keynote?
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> I'll be back in a few..
[09:31] <Amaranth> wolverian: Most of the ideas presented are crack though.
[09:31] <Madpilot> doroto: go ahead - ignore the mob...
[09:31] <f_newton> doroto, speak in channel please
[09:31] <doroto> ok
[09:31] <f_newton> whats your problem?
[09:31] <doroto> i install this linux last night
[09:32] <wolverian> Amaranth, hmm. which ones?
[09:32] <Linux_Galore> pfft argueing about kde v gnome is like arguing over how to view the grass on the ground
[09:32] <Amaranth> wolverian: So why would we dump the setup we have now for a brittle layer over a complex system?
[09:32] <doroto> i cannot each install any media player on my pc
[09:32] <wolverian> Elsidox, the guadec2005 one, I think.
[09:32] <Amaranth> wolverian: Every UI idea for 'GNOME 3.0' is total crack.
[09:32] <wolverian> Amaranth, you disagree with the document centric worldview, then? :)
[09:32] <doroto> i download the realplayer just now
[09:32] <magneto> true Linux_Galore its a tired old old arguement
[09:32] <f_newton> doroto do you know about synaptic?
[09:32] <wolverian> Amaranth, or just the interfaces designed for it thus far?
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> yeah, its a to each his own thing.. i just personally love allt he different ways i can use kde
[09:32] <Amaranth> wolverian: A little of both.
[09:32] <doroto> sorry
[09:32] <f_newton> me too PurpleMotion
[09:32] <doroto> dont know very much
[09:32] <Elsidox> wolverian, any ideas on where I can download it?
[09:32] <f_newton> thats ok
[09:33] <deFrysk> I like the simple way of gnome
[09:33] <wolverian> Elsidox, I think fluendo had the feeds archived
[09:33] <Linux_Galore> to be honest I like both kde and gnome.....both have plus and minus sides for me
[09:33] <magneto> gnome rocks
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> lots of people do, deFrysk
[09:33] <hondje> deFrysk: Me too, very zen
[09:33] <doroto> it is so different from windows
[09:33] <Madpilot> !repos
[09:33] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:33] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[09:33] <ubotu> somebody said synaptic was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:33] <Elsidox> wolverian, ok cool thanks
[09:33] <Amaranth> Guys, do not start the GNOME v KDE flamewar up again.
[09:33] <magneto> kde reminds me of bill gates
[09:33] <wolverian> Amaranth, right. well, if people want to do it badly enough, it'll happen.
[09:33] <Amaranth> wolverian: It'll have to be a fork.
[09:33] <deFrysk> computing , the zen way = gnome indeed :D
[09:33] <Madpilot> doroto: see those two links above that ubotu posted - that's where you need to start