[00:05] <bbrazil> how do I track a conffile back to a package?
[00:06] <RAOF> dpkg -S $file_to_search_for, generally.
[00:08] <bbrazil> that doesn't work for conffiles, epsecially if they're created by pre/postinst
[00:08] <bbrazil> and not in this case anyway, neither does poking in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[00:09] <bbrazil> ah, partial search found a related pacakge
[00:11] <bbrazil> hmm, keyboard map is fixed but it restarted X in doing so
[00:13] <mooboo1> everybody got xserver-xorg-core in update manager, or just me?
[00:13] <mooboo1> i got it 10 mins ago
[00:13] <mooboo1> anyone else?
[00:14] <tanner> anyone know how to run a 32bit mplayer on 64bit ubuntu install?
[00:15] <mooboo1> DanaG, you just got xserver-xorg-core update from update manager?
[00:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll look.
[00:16] <Zanth> hi there
[00:16] <mooboo1> hi you :)
[00:16] <Zanth> I'm hving a major conflict between gnome-session-daemon and the xserver-xgl
[00:17] <Zanth> removing the xserver-xgl means I can work in gnome...but of course no compiz
[00:17] <Zanth> I noticed in the hardy forums many have been discussing this issue
[00:17] <Zanth> was wondering if there are any ideas on a fix
[00:17] <DanaG> List of changes isn't available; I don't like to install things until I seea changelog.
[00:18] <mooboo1> oh, but you do got the updatE?
[00:18] <DanaG> It looks like the updated one may be one to fix the key 'stickage'.
[00:18] <mooboo1> indeed it does
[00:18] <bhsx> hi, so after installing the "official" ati drivers update manager now says i can update dpatch, fglrx-kernel-source and xorg-driver-fglrx....   these are incorrect, yes?
[00:18] <mooboo1> i installed the update, and i tried to reproduce "key gets stuck", but i cant
[00:18] <bhsx> can i choose to set those to ignore somehow?
[00:19] <mooboo1> bhsx, i thought fglrx was the official drivers...
[00:19] <bhsx> meaning i downloaded it from ati... didn't do it through synaptic or anything...
[00:19] <poseidon> Are you supposed to be able to play youtube videos with gnash?
[00:20] <bhsx> i used dpkg to rebuild it
[00:20] <poseidon> It doesn't quite work with me
[00:20] <bhsx> gnash is terrible
[00:20] <bhsx> use flash-nonfree
[00:20] <mooboo1> bhsx, i thought "Restricted hardware drivers" would install them for you
[00:20] <mooboo1> poseidon, not sure
[00:20] <bhsx> they might mooboo...  but i installed from ati.com
[00:20] <mooboo1> bhsx, we shouldnt recommend people to use proprietary software :p
[00:20] <bhsx> :P
[00:21] <bhsx> well, gnash wont play youtube
[00:21] <mooboo1> bhsx, i guess its better to let the restricted hardware drivers install them for you...
[00:21] <bhsx> and flash will
[00:21] <mooboo1> i use youtube alot, so i have flash, but i dont want have flash :(
[00:21] <poseidon> You have to pay for the flash player though?
[00:21] <bhsx> i know, but he's asking a question about using gnash with youtube
[00:21] <mooboo1> poseidon, no
[00:21] <bhsx> no it's "free"
[00:22] <bhsx> go to synaptic and search for "flash"
[00:22] <poseidon> moobool, how can I unistall gnash and install flash
[00:22] <mooboo1> hmm... maybe from synaptic
[00:22] <mooboo1> or $ apt-get remove gnash
[00:22] <mooboo1> maybe
[00:22] <bhsx> sudo apt-get remove gnash
[00:22] <mooboo1> ya that
[00:23] <bhsx> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree                      <i think
[00:23] <bhsx> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:24] <mooboo1> i thought if you dont have any flash player installed, firefox will prompt you
[00:24] <bhsx> first enable your universe and prolly multiverse repositories
[00:24] <poseidon> bhsx, that wasn't it
[00:24] <bhsx> first enable your universe and prolly multiverse repositories
[00:24] <bhsx> i have a fresh hardy install and haven't added any repositories by hand
[00:24] <bhsx> i have flash and youtube working fine
[00:25] <nomasteryoda> mooboo1, it should do so
[00:25] <bhsx> but go through System>Administration>Software Sources
[00:25] <bhsx> and click to enable the outter repositories
[00:26] <poseidon> Installing it now.
[00:26] <Syko> having trouble with sound =/
[00:26] <Syko> fun huh?
[00:26] <bhsx> there ya go =)
[00:26] <poseidon> Ubuntu is great once you get your internet going!
[00:26]  * Dr_willis_ crashes the internet
[00:27] <bhsx> hardy is MUCH, MUCH more responsive than 7.10 so far
[00:27] <bhsx> the new scheduler rocks i guess
[00:27] <cyclonut> I havent noticed toooo much of a difference
[00:28] <bhsx> although i still dont like that once i installed my 3d drivers everything SLOWED DOWN....   (default beryl/compiz [turn off visual effects])\
[00:28] <cyclonut> the biggest difference for me is about 60mb greater memory usage on boot
[00:28] <poseidon> I installed flash, but now firefox is acting like it isn't installed.  And when I go to install missing plug-ins it just keeps searching.
[00:28] <cyclonut> buuut that probably equals your responsiveness
[00:28] <bhsx> did you restart firefox?
[00:29] <jin> I have a weird problem... gparted has detected /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 but those 2 don't show up in /dev at all :\
[00:29] <cyclonut> poseidon, restart firefox, if not, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> I dont think one EVER wants to use 'install missing plugins' in firefox
[00:29] <cyclonut> probably not
[00:30] <poseidon> cyclonut, I restarted and it still didn't work.  I'll try the other now
[00:31] <adinc> can someone tell me how i could make a menuentry in ubuntu for an application i installed myself
[00:31] <bhsx> poseidon... did you install it with Synaptic?  or through CLI?
[00:32] <poseidon> bhsx, Install which, I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras through CLI
[00:32] <cyclonut> adinc, system > preferences > main menu
[00:32] <jin> pulseaudio is pissing me off
[00:32] <bhsx> i meant the flashplugin-nonfree....
[00:32] <cyclonut> adinc, you'll be able to add a new item, much like you'd define a launcher
[00:32] <jin> it worked on livecd, but nor after install, I mean audio mixing
[00:32] <larson9999> so far this seems to be the most stable beta of ubuntu i've tried
[00:33] <poseidon> bshx, I used the firefox install missing plug-ins
[00:33] <bhsx> larson9999 i wouldn't use it for production... but so far it feels snappy and solid
[00:33] <crimsun> jin: have you reported a bug?
[00:33] <bhsx> poseidon
[00:33] <bhsx> dont do that
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, I had better hardware recognition with gutsy, but hardy is more stable
[00:33] <larson9999> bhsx, yeah.
[00:33] <poseidon> why?
[00:33] <larson9999> cyclonut, with gutsy at the beta stage?
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, aye
[00:33] <crimsun> jin: (otherwise, you need to provide more details regarding what you mean by "audio mixing".  Start by telling us which apps, what audio hardware, etc.)
[00:33] <poseidon> bhsx, why?
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, everything worked out of the box with gutsy
[00:33] <bhsx> i told you how to do it....  the one that firefox tries to grab wont work
[00:34] <larson9999> cyclonut, oh.  same hw detection here.
[00:34] <poseidon> o, well they should fix that.
[00:34] <cyclonut> larson9999, however, in hardy, I get better acpi support (my avg temp has dropped almost 15 degrees!), aaaaand well, thats about it thus far
[00:34] <bhsx> use the flashplugin-nonfree....  you want it to work as a plugin...
[00:34] <Syko> just you..
[00:34] <cyclonut> larson9999, my only issue this time around was with my network card. The ndiswrapper/ssb issue
[00:34] <bhsx> yeah, but Mozilla and Adobe are out of sync on that
[00:35] <jin> crimsun: it seems I can't use vlc and movie player simultaneously .
[00:35] <bhsx> Ubuntu sort of fixes the problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package
[00:35] <poseidon> bshx, I did what cyclonut told me to do sudo-apt get install ubuntu-restricted-extras, but it is stuck at 99%
[00:35] <larson9999> cyclonut, i don't seem to have that problem.
[00:35] <bhsx> so either search for that package in synaptic or use 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:35] <cyclonut> larson9999, humm, you are lucky :)
[00:35] <poseidon> nm Just finished :)
[00:35] <crimsun> jin: set vlc to use the esd output, or build vlc from svn to get pulseaudio support
[00:36] <bhsx> trust me... i'm on a brand-spanking-new install and it works fine
[00:36] <larson9999> cyclonut, i have a bmc43 card.  ndiswrapper works fine with it
[00:36] <bhsx> after you do that... restart FF and hit youtube to make sure it works
[00:36] <bhsx> then thank me :)
[00:36] <bhsx> and the uber ubuntu dev team
[00:37] <jin> crimsun: that fixed the problem :-)
[00:37] <cyclonut> larson9999, I am on bcm4328, ndiswrapper works fine, but ssb is forced to be loaded by the latest kernels. ssb and ndiswrapper do not play nicely together in my case. I had to write a script to unload b43,b44,ssb,ndiswrapper modules at boot, followed by loading ndiswrapper,b44 modules
[00:37] <NET||abuse> Hey guys..
[00:37] <NET||abuse> got some basic stuff not right with my new beta install
[00:37] <poseidon> It's almost done.
[00:37] <mooboo1> NET||abuse, what?
[00:37] <NET||abuse> 1. compiz task switcher, alt+shift+tab doesn't go reverse
[00:38] <bhsx> anyone know about hardware issues, especially wi-fi, with a lenovo t60?
[00:38] <adinc> cyclonut: thank you very much
[00:38] <cyclonut> adinc, glad I could help :)
[00:38] <adinc> ;)
[00:38] <poseidon> bhsx, it didn't work
[00:38] <mooboo1> NET||abuse, it does go reverse for me
[00:38] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, thats gotta be a compiz plugin issue
[00:38] <NET||abuse> 2.. emm, ok, just sorted second issue :) never mind
[00:38] <bhsx> ok, what did you do, and what's not working?
[00:39] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, try installing compiz-config and checking your switcher settings
[00:39] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, ok, i'll try that
[00:39] <poseidon> bhsx, http://pastebin.com/m371ab24
[00:39] <NET||abuse> i stuck in the awn package and just don't see how to change preferences to stop it acting as a stub below windows
[00:40] <NET||abuse> have big empty gap below my active windows
[00:40] <Devolved> my gdm screen is the wrong resolution, and its causing problems when it switches to my desktop's resolution. how do i set it manually?
[00:40] <bhsx> poseidon: i'm not following the paste....   that's all font issues....
[00:40] <bhsx> nothing to do with flashplugin...
[00:40] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, there is an AWN preferences thing. I think its in preferences. I dont remember if  I had to edit a file to get it to work or if I could do it in the preferences
[00:40] <bhsx> paste the commands you used to install it
[00:41] <cyclonut> BHSx - that has to do with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - which includes the flash plugin
[00:41] <bhsx> oh it includes the mfttcorefonts too?
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - yeah
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - it comes with all sorts of good stuff
[00:42] <MethodOne> when I try to install from the 3/24/08 powerpc live and alternate cds on a power mac g4 agp graphics, they hang when I get to 90%, the part where the files get cleaned up
[00:42] <bhsx> poseidon: you're asking me for advice but following someone else's.... (no offense to cyclonut, who knows what he's doing)....
[00:42] <poseidon> Thats what I got at the end of the install
[00:43] <bhsx> but do this....  "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[00:43] <bhsx> and restart firefox
[00:43] <picard_pwns_kirk> opengl is b0rked for me
[00:43] <bhsx> like i've said since you first asked
[00:43] <bhsx> and it WILL work
[00:43] <jin> mhh, Ubuntu still doesn't mount my memory card automatically
[00:43] <poseidon> bhsx, thats what I did.
[00:44] <DG19075> bhsx: What's the sory with the Java not working in the new Firefox?
[00:44] <cyclonut> poseidon, did you try firefox?
[00:44] <poseidon> bhsx, thats what the error is from
[00:44] <picard_pwns_kirk> my games render like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16699629@N08/2299007958/
[00:44] <bhsx> uninstall the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" for now
[00:44] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, i had the preference in the old awn from gutsy
[00:44] <bhsx> and start again
[00:44] <bhsx> DG19075: i have no idea, sorry
[00:44] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, but i dont' see any setting in the current awn
[00:45] <DG19075> Hopefully that'll get worked out
[00:45] <poseidon> bhsx, yes.  It still asks me if I want to install the missing plugins, and no video shows
[00:45] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, im sorry, I dont use AWN these days, I cant help you.  However, if  you check the AWN forums, I'm sure you will find something
[00:45] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, stupid me... nvm,,
[00:45] <bhsx> you're on a brand new hardy install poseidon?
[00:45] <MethodOne> DG19075, the problem is with java.   install the package icedtea-java7-plugin
[00:45] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, i was missreading the switch names
[00:45] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, join #awn
[00:45] <DG19075> Installed all the Java and GCJ plugins Firefox suggests and the new FF still won't recognize Java
[00:46] <cyclonut> anywho, brb for some dinner.
[00:46] <poseidon> bhsx, yes
[00:46] <bhsx> and what have you done now?  have you done a dist-upgrade?
[00:46] <poseidon> I've only installed compiz manager, xchat, and the updates
[00:46] <bhsx> k
[00:47] <poseidon> bhsx, I used wubi from the install cd
[00:47] <bhsx> oh, hmm
[00:47] <bhsx> i doubt that would be the issue
[00:47] <bhsx> but i've not tried that on any boxes yet
[00:47] <bhsx> you've uninstalled extras?
[00:48] <poseidon> bhsx, what do you mean by xtras, firefox add-ons?
[00:48] <bhsx> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:48] <bhsx> for now
[00:48] <poseidon> bhsx, yes
[00:48] <poseidon> O, remove, OK
[00:48] <bhsx> yeah, do that with flashplugin-nonfree as well
[00:49] <bhsx> and we'll start over
[00:49] <bhsx> brb wifey callin
[00:50] <DG19075> The icedtea-java-plugin doesn't show in synaptic or via CLI
[00:50] <poseidon> bhsx, k I have un-installed everything.
[00:52] <bhsx>  'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:52] <tgrundle> DG19075: i had to remove all java related packages, then install icedtea-gcjwebplugin. finally i had to run 'sudo update-alternatives --auto java' to correct broken links
[00:52] <bhsx> sorry, had to go install a TV :)
[00:53] <poseidon> lol
[00:53] <bhsx> you're welcome
[00:53] <bhsx>  :)
[00:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> I'm having troubles with opengl: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16699629@N08/2299007958/
[00:53] <poseidon> So I uninstalled everything, should I try sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree again?
[00:54] <bhsx>  'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:54] <bhsx> ^^^
[00:54] <bhsx> restart FF, go to youtube, yada yada
[00:55] <poseidon> bhsx, no luck
[00:55] <poseidon> I didn't get any errors that I can see that time though
[00:56] <bhsx> oh snap...  i can't imagine what the issue would be... youtube works fine over here with a fresh install/update and those instructions
[00:56] <bhsx> you went to youtube and what?  it just doesn't show anything?
[00:56] <DanaG> Argh, WoW under Wine won't connect.
[00:56] <bhsx> have you tried any other flash sites?
[00:56] <poseidon> Yea, no video
[00:56] <bhsx> cuz youtube and all others are working fine here..
[00:56] <bhsx> damn
[00:56] <bhsx> you have 64-bit?
[00:57] <bhsx> guess i shoulda asked that a long time ago...
[00:57] <poseidon> bhsx, 32 bit, and metacafe doesn't work as well
[00:57] <bhsx> dang
[00:57] <bhsx> is it giving you the missing plugin error in FF?
[00:58] <poseidon> bhsx, FF was on when I installed the plug-in, do you think that could have cuased any problems?
[00:58] <bhsx> shouldn't, no
[00:58] <poseidon> yes
[00:58] <bhsx> can you go into your plugins directory?
[00:59] <DG19075> tgrundle: Thanks! It works!
[00:59] <bhsx>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[00:59] <DG19075> :-D
[00:59] <poseidon> bhsx, it doesn't show any flash plugins
[01:00] <bhsx> what's there?
[01:00] <tgrundle> DG19075: great! i have found some applets that don't work, but for the most part you should be good
[01:01] <DG19075> Got one site I go to, run by NIST= the folks who bring you WWV, the time station. I use it o sync the puter clock
[01:01] <poseidon> vlc media player, windows media player, quicktime, defualt, and some others
[01:01] <bhsx> tgrundle: heh, i actually hadn't installed JRE yet, but thanks... yeah, that seems to work great
[01:02] <bhsx> so poseidon, if you haven't installed anything else yet... uh, WHY is WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[01:02] <DanaG> Anybody here use WoW under Wine?  Logging in just hangs on connecting to the server.
[01:03] <poseidon> idk
[01:04] <poseidon> bhsx, I didn't install those.
[01:04] <bhsx> ok, well, i cant help you if you dont know what you've done to your machine so far...  sorry
[01:05] <poseidon> bhsx, thanks for your time
[01:05] <bhsx> np, good luck
[01:05] <poseidon> I'll probably end up re-installing linux :)
[01:07] <HardyOne> it is official I do not like kde
[01:09] <DanaG> Is there a magic sysrq trigger to go to single-user mode/
[01:11] <bhsx> hey, i asked this earlier, but i'm still having some problems... i have gxine, libdvdnav4 and libdvdread3 installed.... but i still cant seem to get encrypted dvds to play in xine or vlc...
[01:11] <bhsx> any suggestions?
[01:12] <MethodOne> bhsx, you need libdvdcss2. get it from medibuntu.
[01:14] <bhsx> why is it in medibuntu?   =)
[01:14] <bhsx> but thanks, i'll give that a shot
[01:14] <MethodOne> it's there for legal reasons
[01:14] <HardyOne> bug 200238
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200238 in hardening-wrapper "Hardy's hardening-wrapper incorrectly creates symlinks for gcc-4.3 and g++-4.3" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200238
[01:14] <HardyOne> bug 200338
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[01:17] <SpudDogg> has anyone heard anything about a fix for hardy breaking wireless?  ipw3945
[01:18] <mesilliac> SpudDogg: there was a fix for broken wireless in my updates today
[01:19] <SpudDogg> mesilliac:  i just upgraded to hardy via update-manger -d and the wireless card is not even recognized as a wireless card....
[01:19] <mesilliac> network-manager -> 0.6.6-0ubuntu3
[01:19] <mesilliac> I don't use wireless, but I saw it in the changelog :/
[01:20] <MethodOne> download the packages hal and libhal from packages.ubuntu.com and manually install them
[01:20] <SpudDogg> MethodOne:  will do
[01:24] <bhsx> MethodOne: do you think it'd be possible to do with w32codecs and basically the whole medibuntu repository in the same fashion as they've done with mp3 codec?  that's a slick new addition to ubuntu to be sure...
[01:24] <MethodOne> ya
[01:24] <bhsx> went to play mp3, it told me i couldn't and asked if i wanted to download and install the potentially restricted mp3 codec
[01:25] <bhsx> it was slick, and shoulda been done LONG ago on all distributions
[01:26] <bhsx> i think it's perfectly legit that way... you're not distributing the binaries with ubuntu, but making sure they're readily and easily available
[01:26] <bhsx> i think it's a no-brainer
[01:27] <bhsx> i hope Mark S. has his gaggle of lawyers working hard on that problem... because it's a big issue with mainstream adoption
[01:27] <HardyOne> I did not rob the bank your honor I just left the vault open
[01:27] <MethodOne> w32codecs is not in the official repository because they are taken from windows programs having licenses that prohibit redistribution
[01:27] <bhsx> right
[01:28] <bhsx> but "we'd" just be linking to them
[01:28] <bhsx> not distributing them...
[01:28] <MethodOne> ok
[01:28] <bhsx> well, not any more than we are now anyway
[01:28] <bhsx> and i'm obv using "we" on a grand scale
[01:28] <bhsx> i'm NOT a dev
[01:29] <bhsx> and have no affiliation
[01:29] <bhsx> lol package hot-babe has graphic content
[01:29] <MethodOne> yes
[01:29] <bhsx> funny, i gotta check that one out
[01:33] <bhsx> thanks MethodOne, encrypted is working now
[01:33] <bhsx> forgot about libdvdcss
[01:33] <Adys> Ok so lets assume my regular wireless on a laptop doesnt work, my ethernet port doesnt work, and that on neither gutsy nor hh, can I safely assume my network card is dead? :/
[01:34] <bhsx> i haven't done a non-upgrade install for over a year
[01:34] <bhsx> Adys: can you boot into a livecd.. non-ubuntu?
[01:35] <bhsx> even, bart/win32?
[01:35] <MethodOne> looks like the hardy daily snapshot installed successfully on my mac
[01:35] <Capsid> I was wondering if anyone has heard of problems with the integrated Intel wireless card? Under Windows vista the card runs fine at 5mb a sec but under
[01:35] <Adys> bhsx:  er, havent tried
[01:36] <bhsx> see if you can.... it's a laptop... so i hope it hasn't failed on you, as that's a pain in the arse
[01:36] <bhsx> better to exhaust all other possibilities first
[01:37] <bhsx> bbiab, wifey calls
[01:37] <Capsid> I was wondering if anyone has heard of problems with the integrated Intel wireless card? Under Windows vista the card runs fine at 5mb a sec but under Ubuntu 7.10 the card would routinely drop and run a 512k a sec. I'm no running Ubuntu 8.10 and the card no longer drops but stills runs at slower speeds. Any Ideas?
[01:39] <Capsid> I was thinking about disabling the generic driver, then loading ndiswrapper to run a Windows XP driver.....but how would you go about doing something like that?
[01:44] <mooboo1> idk
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, you would use rmmod <modulename> to remove the current driver
[01:44] <mooboo1> i have wired Ethernet, its much better than Wi-Fi
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, followed by modprobe ndiswrapper to get that going
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, the intel wireless card has been the subject of a lot of issues today
[01:46] <Capsid> cyclonut: awesome thank you very much. I'm wondering why they are having so many problems with it? Ralink wrote the the driver for Windows XP and vista...they also have a version for Linux but I think that the built in one that I'm already using.
[01:47] <HardyOne> she wasnt so hot
[01:48] <cyclonut> Capsid, I have no idea...  lately, the kernel has been causing a lot of wifi trouble
[01:48] <cyclonut> I think its a speedbump, I dont believe it will go away for Hardy.
[01:48] <ethana2> cyclonut: we have kernel freeze for a reason
[01:48] <ethana2> cyclonut: more likely than not, it will
[01:49] <jaebird> b43 wifi driver is slow too
[01:50] <jaebird> especially with my BCM4306(03)...getting 1Mbit
[01:50] <jaebird> at least the latest NetworkManager fixed the hanging issue i was having
[01:50] <Capsid> Cyclonut: thats interesting....wish I knew more about the Linux Kernel
[01:51] <cyclonut> ethna2 - true, I lost a little bit of faith with Gutsy, and some issues that remained
[01:51] <cyclonut> ethana2, buuuuut I keep my fingers crossed
[01:51] <cyclonut> Capsid, me too.
[01:55] <mooboo1> 8.04 looks promising
[01:55] <mooboo1> doesnt it? ;)
[01:55] <mooboo1> im using it as my primary os on my production machine and its lovely
[01:55] <mooboo1> they really need to fix mouse button 4 and 5 in xorg though :p
[02:00] <tanner> how can i install a 32bit package on a 64bit system?
[02:00] <bhsx> how do i control compiz?  seems like the manager's not installed?  that's a lil odd
[02:01] <JohnPhys> bhsx:  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings manager
[02:01] <bhsx> yeah i just googled it, but it's odd to install compiz without a way to configure it...
[02:02] <JohnPhys> bhsx:  agreed
[02:02] <bhsx> i know it's a little late to the party, but that should definately be included if you're gonna include compiz
[02:02] <tanner> bhsx: makes it harder for people to screw things up, and thus less support effort
[02:02] <tanner> just a thought
[02:02] <bhsx> i suppose
[02:03] <bhsx> i'd think it would cause more with ppl asking how to fix it :)
[02:03] <bhsx> but i digress
[02:03] <burner> i think there's work on a "simple ccsm"
[02:03] <JohnPhys> I'm quite glad hardy seems to not enable "wobbly windows" by default
[02:04] <JohnPhys> that one always drove me insane
[02:04] <bhsx> totally
[02:04] <tanner> i think its part of the "advanced" or more effects setting
[02:06] <poseidon> bhsx, can I re-install firefox?
[02:06] <leo_rockw> i was wondering... does kubuntu hardy include compiz by default now?
[02:06] <leo_rockw> (i mean, for kde 3.5.9)
[02:07] <bhsx> looking at the packages i'd guess yes
[02:07] <bhsx> there's compiz kicker replacements and stuff
[02:08] <bhsx> and compiz-kde
[02:08] <poseidon> bhsx, was that a yes to me or leo_rockw?
[02:08] <bhsx> to leo_rockw
[02:08] <bhsx> i would think you can sure
[02:09] <leo_rockw> i think it's kinda pointless to include compiz now that kwin for kde4 has all these composite effects...
[02:09] <poseidon> k, I'll try that
[02:09]  * leo_rockw shrugs
[02:10] <bhsx> poseidon: did you by chance use the "check disk" option to very your disk integrity?
[02:11] <Sodamodo> Hows the speed of Heron in general working out for everyone?
[02:11] <bhsx> very snappy
[02:11] <poseidon> bhsx, where is the "check disk" option?
[02:12] <bhsx> on the install disk... i know it's an option when you boot into it.. i'd hope it's an option through the wobi or whatever install
[02:12] <poseidon> No i didn't check that
[02:13] <bhsx> you could probably do it now, but i think you have other issues from installing and playing with crossover office maybe?
[02:13] <bhsx> cause you have some funky things in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:14] <poseidon> bhsx, what plug-ins do you have?
[02:14] <poseidon> bhsx, sorry I only have flash-plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:15] <poseidon> I thought you were talking about under tools->downloads->plugins
[02:15] <bhsx> ah
[02:16] <poseidon> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins I only have flashplugin-alternative.so
[02:16] <bhsx> ok
[02:16] <bhsx> well, try to uninstall/re firefox
[02:17] <bhsx> like i said.. i really dont know how to help you other than what i've already said
[02:17] <bhsx> sorry man
[02:17] <Sodamodo> this whole OS is being a bit slow for me
[02:18] <poseidon> bhsx, I uninstalled firefox via sudo apt-get remove, then re-installed it.  But it still had all the add-ons, custimzations etc.
[02:18] <bhsx> Sodamodo: you have a ext3 install
[02:18] <bhsx> ?
[02:18] <bhsx> delete your home ff folders poseidon
[02:19] <poseidon> k, thanks
[02:19] <bhsx> np
[02:19] <bhsx> brb
[02:22] <ethana2> does alien have a gui?
[02:22] <ethana2> all these companies ship their stuff as .rpm
[02:22] <Sodamodo> hmm
[02:22] <Sodamodo> I do have ext3
[02:22] <Sodamodo> I wonder what that means
[02:23] <Linuturk> so, help with audio regression anyone?
[02:23] <Linuturk> bug has been submitted
[02:24] <Linuturk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/205588
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205588 in linux "VT82C686 Audio Broken: Gutsy to Hardy Beta upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[02:27] <Arenlor> I tried Alpha1 but haven't come back because in that alpha my graphics drivers (FGLRX) had a watermark, does this still occur?
[02:28] <Linuturk> I've got an nvidia chipset, so I couldn't tell you Arenlor
[02:29] <Arenlor> That's the only thing holding me back from trying the beta
[02:29] <Linuturk> try the live cd. Doesn't it show up there?
[02:30] <Arenlor> I haven't tried the live CD yet, didn't think of that, will try it
[02:32] <Random> how do you un-privatize a bug that was filed?
[02:33] <Linuturk> Random: there should be an option there when you submit it
[02:33] <Random> yes, i mean after the fact though
[02:33] <Linuturk> no idea . . .
[02:34] <Linuturk> I did all mine when I submitted them :-/
[02:34] <Random> since, i added a trivial patch  (changed a line or two) to the bug, and nobody has touched it yet...
[02:35] <mooboo1> someone have firefox here? can you open firefox, press Ctrl+F, and move your mouse on the [x] button in lower-left corner?
[02:35] <Linuturk> well, there has to be a way to do it
[02:35] <mooboo1> does it break the graphics?
[02:35] <Linuturk> mooboo1: not for me
[02:36] <JohnPhys> mooboo1:  it does not break anything for me
[02:37] <mooboo1> oh
[02:37] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm getting a soft-lockup error and I want to report the bug (dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/956208) but I can't interpret that dmesg output well enough to know where to report the bug.
[02:37] <mooboo1> i have ff3b4
[02:37] <Linuturk> so do I mooboo1
[02:37] <mooboo1> oh
[02:37] <poseidon> Is there a good object dock for ubuntu? Like the one in Mac?
[02:37] <mooboo1> poseidon, yeseldideldoo
[02:37] <Linuturk> Lunar_Lamp: I say submit it and let the catorgize it. That's all I could do. Someone came by and catorgized it for me
[02:38] <Linuturk> poseidon: AWN
[02:38] <poseidon> thanks
[02:38]  * Linuturk invokes the god of sound troubleshooting, crimsun ;p
[02:39] <charles__> does pulseaudio log errors anywhere?
[02:39] <JohnPhys> anyone apply the hal update from earlier today yet?  they break anything?
[02:39] <Linuturk> JohnPhys: I'm up to date, and nothing new is broken'
[02:39] <nomasteryoda> so far not yet here
[02:40] <nomasteryoda> but have not restarted either
[02:40] <Linuturk> lol, neither have I, actually nomasteryoda JohnPhys
[02:41] <poseidon> Linuturk, I can't find awn, can I get a link please?  Apperently awn is a popular tla :)
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> but could restart hal from init.d
[02:41] <JohnPhys> it's fine, I'll just install them
[02:41] <Linuturk> http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ poseidon
[02:41] <JohnPhys> I usually like to read the "changes" part of the update before applying it, but that hasn't been uploaded yet
[02:42] <poseidon> Thanks
[02:43] <Sodamodo> Does anyone know whats up with ext3 and Heron?
[02:43] <Sonicadvance1> quick question, ever since I got Hardy, the bootsplash hasn't work, anyone have a fix, or know information about it?
[02:44] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance:  can you define "hasn't work"?
[02:44] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, Just a black screen when booting. Monitor is blinking to show It isn't recieving anything
[02:45] <JohnPhys> aha
[02:45] <JohnPhys> sorry, no ideas then
[02:45] <Sonicadvance1> k np
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> check cable?
[02:45] <Sonicadvance1> nomasteryoda, Still get picture when it gets to GDM and during POST ;)
[02:46] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:46] <Sonicadvance1> although, this might be useful, in the xorg log, it says
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> try hitting esc then e and backspace the quiet and splash away... then press b to boot
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> might show something then
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> "Ckuebt 4 rehected frin kicak gist (uid 0)"
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> oh, fingers in wrong place
[02:47] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1: are the res. settings in your /etc/usplash.conf correct?
[02:47] <bod_> hey guys, is this normal (b4 hardy upgrade) grub = Gutsy (kernal no.), Gutsy recovery, memtest - Other os. (after hrady upgrade) hardy (kernal no.) hardy recovery, memtest, hardy (different kernal no.) , hardy recovery, memtest - Other os .        ??
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> "Client 4 rejected from local host (uid 0)"
[02:48] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, says, 640 and 480, which my monitor supports
[02:48] <JohnPhys> bod_:  sounds like it, but what is your specific concern?
[02:48] <bod_> JohnPhys, 2 different kernals??
[02:49] <bod_> is one on the gutsy kernal and one on the new hardy kernal?
[02:49] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1: maybe try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Fix_Slow_boot.2Ffaulty_splash_screen
[02:50] <JohnPhys> bod_:  nothing wrong with that, 2 kernels probably got installed, use the newer one
[02:51] <bod_> kk ty,.,. just checking,.,. cheers
[02:52] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, I'll try it
[02:53] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  it helped me to correct the res on the usplash screen, though I actually saw a screen to start with, so I don't know if it will help.  Can't hurt though
[02:53] <Sodamodo> Is there any reason Haron would be going slowly, on a fast system?
[02:53] <JohnPhys> anyone in here notice ugly fonts in gnome-terminal and Qt (kde) apps?
[02:53] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, any reso code for 1680x1050? :P
[02:53] <JohnPhys> Sodamodo:  not to my knowledge, unless you have tracker going nuts
[02:53] <bod_> just downloaded 204 updates and just as the install started i got this error. -- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60937/ -- any thoughts?
[02:54] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  not to my knowledge :P
[02:54] <edsiper> is there any known problem regarded with the openoffice packages ?
[02:54] <JohnPhys> bod_:  I got that yesterday (day before?) just run the updates again, you should be fine
[02:55] <bod_> ok willl try,.,. thanks
[02:56] <bod_> ok, it said i have 6 broken packages on my machine, and i should use the Broken filter to find them,.,. is synaptics 'Repair broken packages' button thing the right way to fix that JohnPhys ??
[02:57] <JohnPhys> bod_:  that should work, but you can also do apt-get install --fix-missing I believe
[02:57] <bod_> ok cheers
[02:58] <JohnPhys> anyone in here notice awful fonts in gnome-terminal and qt (kde) apps?
[02:58] <ctimko> hello
[02:59] <cyclonut> bod_, interesting you say that, hardy is the first time I've gotten broken packages in linux
[02:59] <cyclonut> its happened twice in the last three days
[02:59] <bod_> cyclonut, ive only ever used windows and ubuntu,. broken things in both, but fixable things live in ubuntu ;
[02:59] <ctimko> Ok how do I revert back to 7.10...if possible
[02:59] <bod_> ;~_
[02:59] <ctimko> without really losing anything
[02:59] <bod_> ;~)
[02:59] <cyclonut> bod_, indeed
[03:00] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, didn't work, may be because of xorg rejecting it
[03:00] <ctimko> The Beta is running really slow for me, and it is a pain in the arse
[03:00] <ctimko> My XGL doesn't work, the ATI drivers aren't compatible
[03:01] <JohnPhys> ??
[03:01] <ctimko> i meant my ATI drivers
[03:02] <ctimko> My ATI card accelerator drivers crash constantly
[03:04] <ctimko> So, where do i look to find out how to revert to 7.10 without re-installing from scratch
[03:04] <JohnPhys> ctimko:  Unfortunately, I don't know that you can
[03:05] <cyclonut> ctimko, I dont think you'll have much luck with that
[03:08] <snerfu> Anyone else notice an error on soundconverter when it tries to read an mp3 tag?  I was going to file a bug, just making sure I wasn't doing something wrong.
[03:08] <ctimko> JohnPhys: I have disabled my graphics driver, hopefully that will speed this up until the actual release
[03:09] <ctimko> Hopefully the conversion from Beta to the release will be pleasant
[03:10] <ctimko> And do I just keep going to "Upgrade" in apt-get to get the latest in the code?
[03:10] <ctimko> i will be back in a few mins
[03:10] <dredhammer> hello can someone tell me if the lack of XVMC support for hardy is deliberate or not?
[03:11] <RAOF> dredhammer: In what.  Also, XvMC isn't really particularly useful, generally.
[03:11] <dredhammer> well for video playback
[03:11] <dredhammer> i just discovered it was missing
[03:11] <RAOF> Again, in what?
[03:11] <dredhammer> i was just wondering if it was deliberate and will be in the final version
[03:11] <RAOF> It's playback-program dependent.
[03:12] <dredhammer> or a bug somewhere
[03:12] <charles__> does pulseaudio log errors somewhere other than /var/log/messages?
[03:12] <dredhammer> mplayer
[03:12] <DanaG> wtf? brightness hotkeys stop working, completely randomly.
[03:12] <RAOF> DanaG: You'd like a plausibly fixed Xorg, right?  You're running i386?
[03:12] <leo_rockw> woah, i have osd for brightness now, kewl
[03:13] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I downloaded the one linked in the bug report; now I'll try the repo'd one.
[03:15] <ctimko> Hello?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> ctimko: hey
[03:15] <ctimko> Can I report an error?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what's your video card?
[03:16] <ctimko> ATI x1300 Express Mobile
[03:16] <ctimko> 128 MB
[03:16] <ctimko> Radeon
[03:16] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what's the problem? (i have x1400)
[03:16] <ctimko> Well, with the "Restricted" Drivers installed in 7.10, this was lightning fast
[03:16] <ctimko> now it crashes
[03:17] <ctimko> and I think that the main problem lies with a bug in Gnome-Settings-Daemon
[03:17] <leo_rockw> ctimko: with restricted drivers everything was fine on 7.10, now i can't close my laptop. i'm on kde
[03:17] <cyclonut> has anyone gotten dual monitors (via xrandr) with exa rendering? I can only seem to get it to work with xaa
[03:17] <ctimko> (Ubuntu told me so)
[03:17] <ctimko> I see
[03:17] <ctimko> ok
[03:17] <ctimko> Is there a way to repair and install
[03:18] <ctimko> or just need to remove
[03:18] <ctimko> then reinstall?
[03:18] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i'm using the vesa drivers for now
[03:18] <marco> are there plans to include anti-aliasing support in the emacs-snapshot packages
[03:18] <ctimko> I reverted back to the Generic Drivers
[03:18] <ctimko> I am ok now
[03:18] <ctimko> just no 3D...
[03:18] <ctimko> I had XGL running
[03:19] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, Found out the error, looked in to the user privaledges and root had NO access to ANYTHING :D
[03:19] <leo_rockw> ctimko: yup, no 3d, same here
[03:19] <yoandy> hi, is there any guide on installing icedtea-java firefox plugin on hardy?
[03:19] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i can't even use non-restricted drivers besides vesa
[03:19] <ctimko> I see
[03:20] <ctimko> My wireless card currently doesn't work
[03:20] <ctimko> which is a bummer
[03:20] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  that's quite the error, nice job hunting it down though
[03:20] <ctimko> ndiswrapper is still on Hardy right?
[03:20] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what card is it?
[03:20] <ctimko> Broadcomm BCM43xx (rev 02)
[03:20] <ctimko> Can't use the fw-cutter for bcm
[03:21] <JohnPhys> crazy Broadcomm chipsets
[03:21] <leo_rockw> ctimko: there's a way to solve it. bcm43xx is deprecated
[03:21] <leo_rockw> ctimko: they are using b43 now
[03:21] <ctimko> i see...
[03:21] <ctimko> ok, so how do i get that working?
[03:21] <leo_rockw> leo_rockw: go to leorockway.wordpress.com i explain how to fix this there
[03:21] <ctimko> i see that it says the b43.fw is missing
[03:21]  * leo_rockw is talking to himself now :-P
[03:21] <cyclonut> ctimko, I used ndiswrapper
[03:22] <cyclonut> ctimko, b43 didnt work for me at all
[03:22] <leo_rockw> everytime people use ndiswrapper stallman cries :-P
[03:22] <cyclonut> leo_rockw, he sheds a lot of tears.
[03:22] <yoandy> oh i also have that problem with my b4311, im using b43, installed firmware, i can see wifi with nm but can connect to any one
[03:22] <leo_rockw> cyclonut: unfortunately
[03:22] <ctimko> Does the B43 take better care of WPA now/
[03:22] <leo_rockw> i blogged the steps i took into fixing my problem, it may help you
[03:23] <ctimko> It was a pain with the bcm43xx drivers
[03:23] <leo_rockw> i use wep
[03:23] <cyclonut> ctimko, I had to use ndiswrapper, installed as normal. Then, I wrote a script that, at boot, removes the b43, b44, ssb, and ndiswrapper modules. It then re-adds the ndiswrapper and b44 modules. it works a treat.
[03:23] <yoandy> leo_rockw: let's see
[03:23] <leo_rockw> yoandy: the url is up there ^
[03:24] <ctimko> Ok, i just did this
[03:24] <ctimko> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[03:24] <ctimko> is there anything else i should do
[03:25] <ctimko> besides restart?
[03:25] <ctimko> ok, brb, gonna restart
[03:25] <leo_rockw> ctimko: you have to do smth else... check my post
[03:25] <ctimko> ok
[03:26] <ctimko> and then i have a question on tomcat after I get the wireless working
[03:26] <yoandy> leo_rockw: my situation is some diff from yours ..
[03:26] <cyclonut> tomcat! as in the apache module? been a long time since I heard about that
[03:26] <leo_rockw> yoandy: what's the diff?
[03:26] <cyclonut> first web server I ever put together, back 10 years ago now ran tomcat to interpret java, if I remember correctly
[03:28] <yoandy> leo_rockw: i hav b4311 rev02, i have no problems with device names,
[03:28] <leo_rockw> yoandy: the problem with device names happens after you get b43 running
[03:28] <yoandy> leo_rockw: i have b43 already  running, using nm-applet i can see some wifis
[03:29] <ctimko> leo_rockw: Question about our 5th line in the first part of your code
[03:29] <ctimko> ..(not code..syntax)
[03:29] <naught101> anyone else having problems auto-mounting usb sotrage devices?
[03:29] <naught101> I just hibernated, and now my external hdd won't show
[03:29] <leo_rockw> ctimko: this one? ../../b43-fwcutter-011/b43-fwcutter -w
[03:29] <ctimko> yea
[03:30] <leo_rockw> what about it?
[03:30] <ctimko> what is that supposed to do?
[03:30] <ctimko> i am confused a little
[03:30] <ctimko> i can see wifi now though...
[03:30] <ctimko> one sec...gonna test something
[03:30] <leo_rockw> i got the solution from here http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[03:30] <ctimko> ok, well that didn't work
[03:30] <ctimko> my thought didn't
[03:31] <ctimko> lol
[03:31] <naught101> ctimko: try running "sudo /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh"
[03:31] <ctimko> ok, will do thanks
[03:31] <leo_rockw> ctimko: this is all one line: ../../b43-fwcutter-011/b43-fwcutter -w "$FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR" wl_apsta.o
[03:32] <leo_rockw> wordpress changed the lines
[03:32] <ctimko> i already installed the fw-cutter though..i am past that
[03:32] <ctimko> :- P
[03:32] <naught101> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/182716
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182716 in linux "bcm4306, bcm4309, bcm4311, bcm4312 don't work with b43 / ssb" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:33] <yoandy> leo_rockw: when i try to connect to an AP, my logs says: association took too long, failing activation
[03:33] <yoandy> well, it says a lot more, but the line that sounds evil is that one.
[03:33] <ctimko> what directory should i be in when I run that?
[03:33] <ctimko> because i am in my home directory
[03:34] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i followed each step exactly as it appears in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[03:34] <ctimko> ok
[03:34] <ctimko> oh, ok, you built from the source
[03:34] <ctimko> gotcha
[03:36] <marco> are there plans to include anti-aliasing support in the emacs-snapshot package in hardy?
[03:36] <marco> well, actually, xft support
[03:36] <marco> which consequentially allows anti-aliasing
[03:38] <RAOF> Too fast, marco.  It's already done.
[03:39] <nikrud> ah, finally
[03:40] <yoandy> leo_rockw: at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old says: bcm4311 rev 2 / bcm4312 (needs patches for 2.6.24)
[03:40] <ctimko> does apt-get have an uninstall option?
[03:41] <yoandy> leo_rockw: are those patches already included in hardy's kernel ?
[03:41] <tritium> ctimko: yes, apt-get remove
[03:41] <leo_rockw> ctimko: apt-get remove
[03:41] <ctimko> thoght so
[03:41] <ctimko> thanks
[03:41] <leo_rockw> yoandy: i don't really know
[03:44] <ctimko> what was your wordpress again leo?
[03:44] <leo_rockw> ctimko: leorockway.wordpress.com
[03:44] <ctimko> thanks
[03:44] <leo_rockw> np
[03:48] <DanaG> Argh, brightness control randomly broke!
[03:49] <fismoll9> hey guys, I get this error whenever I try to play audio: W: couldn't connect to HAL, disabling MediaDevices browser followed by *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused. The audio will play, however. What is HAL, and what does the above error mean? I use ubuntu gutsy
[03:51] <leo_rockw> key repetition stops working, booo
[03:51] <mluser> any other madwifi users having problems with hardy when resuming after a suspend?
[03:52] <ctimko> they still didn't fix the WPA issues
[03:53] <mluser> ctimko: I dont think this is a wpa issue.. if I reload ath_pci then network-manager connects just fine.
[03:53] <ctimko> i have to force the connection right away
[03:53] <ctimko> right now it seems fine
[03:53] <ctimko> I have no luck with WPA
[03:53] <snerfu> That apport crash reporter thing is pretty nifty.
[03:54] <ctimko> now WPA2 is a different story
[03:54] <ctimko> Yea, windows has that
[03:54] <ctimko> lol
[03:54]  * ctimko wants to ask another question
[03:55] <ctimko> Ok, so here is my second problem
[03:55] <ctimko> Tomcat
[03:55] <DanaG> Argh, when I switch from AC to battery, my brightness control breaks.
[03:55] <ctimko> use the hotkeys
[03:55] <ctimko> i mean
[03:55] <ctimko> function keys
[03:55] <ctimko> you can still control it
[03:56] <mluser> Also does anyone know if /etc/default/acpi-support is still being used in hardy for suspend/resume?
[03:56] <DanaG> I can't, actually.
[03:56] <ctimko> wow
[03:57] <ctimko> that stinks
[03:57] <DanaG> Brightness hotkeys do nothing once I switch to ACPI.
[03:57] <fismoll9> if you install the hardy heron beta, will it be easy to upgrade to hardy heron from it?
[03:57] <DanaG> In fact, catting the /dev/input device that corresponds to it gives absolutely nothing.
[03:57] <fismoll9> I don't want it to screw up my computer
[03:57] <ctimko> wow
[03:57] <DanaG> acpid isn't getting lid events, either.
[03:58] <ctimko> wow...hmm
[03:58] <JohnPhys> fismoll9:  if you install the beta, you can just keep upgrading through the final release, but if you're worried about screwing up your computer, you should not install the beta
[03:58] <ctimko> i know in gutsy i could not Suspend or Hibernate
[03:58] <eternal_p> JohnPhys: where is the fun in that
[03:58] <JohnPhys> fismoll9:  as the download site notes, it's not for use on production machines
[03:59] <mluser> In Gutsy I could not suspend/resume if I had the ATI fglrx stuff loaded.. without it.. I had no problems resuming.
[03:59] <leo_rockw> anybody has key repetition broken in kubuntu?
[03:59] <mluser> In Hardy fglrx works fine when suspending and resuming, now my only problem is the madwifi stuff
[03:59] <ctimko> i see
[04:00] <leo_rockw> yeah, suspend/resume was working w/ fgrlx
[04:00] <mluser> anybody else using the madwifi drivers?
[04:00] <DanaG> Oh heck, even echoing '0' into no_automatic_changes doesn't work.  Perhaps it's a BIOS bug.
[04:00] <ctimko> ok, what is the point of "tracker"?
[04:00] <leo_rockw> ctimko: faster searches
[04:00] <ctimko> gotcha, just got that
[04:01] <leo_rockw> now, what's the difference between tracker and locate?
[04:01] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  I thought that was teh point of organizing your files in a manner that made sense? :)
[04:01] <leo_rockw> or strigi
[04:02] <leo_rockw> i always used locate, i never used tracker or strigi
[04:02] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  I think locate just caches files, tracker can look in files and cache their contents and metadata I think
[04:02] <ctimko> i don't need to search
[04:02] <ctimko> i know where it is all at
[04:02] <ctimko> hehe
[04:02] <leo_rockw> JohnPhys: ooo, ok, thank you
[04:02] <DanaG> Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[04:02] <DanaG> that was od. odod
[04:02] <DanaG> argh, now I'mg etginggng spammed with my brightness actions from 15 minutes ago.
[04:03] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  having never actually *used* tracker, I may be wrong, but it seems plausible
[04:03] <ethana2> hmm..
[04:03] <DanaG> That was REALLY bizarre.
[04:03] <ethana2> is it possible to tell what software a web server is using?
[04:03] <leo_rockw> JohnPhys: no, i recall hearing that before, so you're probably right
[04:03] <ethana2> ..without having to freak it out?
[04:03] <leo_rockw> hey ethana2
[04:03] <ethana2> oh hey Leo
[04:04] <ctimko> ok, how do I kill the tomcat5.5 server?
[04:04] <robc4> is the medibuntu repo up yet?
[04:05] <leo_rockw> robc4: i heard it is
[04:08] <ctimko> Ok, So how do I use tomcat?
[04:08] <ctimko> anyone, any ideaS?
[04:08] <pestilence> is there a way to disable showing of icons on the desktop?
[04:09] <leo_rockw> pestilence: which desktop?
[04:09] <pestilence> gnome
[04:09] <pestilence> is that what you mean?
[04:10] <pestilence> kde has an option to disable showing icons on the desktop.  i don't see anything similar in gnome
[04:11] <leo_rockw> pestilence: yeah, i know how to do it in kde, that's why i asked. i never used gnome
[04:11] <pestilence> me either, until now :-/
[04:11] <pestilence> hardy is working quite well, though.  except for that minor annoyance
[04:12] <pestilence> i suppose i may just rename my Desktop folder to get rid of all the stuff  :)
[04:12] <ctimko> Java and Tomcat...anyone have any idea who I should talk to
[04:13] <ctimko> Eclipse is telling me that the JRE isn't specified, how do I do that?
[04:13] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  which icons?
[04:13] <leo_rockw> pestilence: kubuntu hardy can give you the best of both worlds :-P
[04:13] <pestilence> leo_rockw: well, i thought i'd give ubuntu a shot, since i'm not exactly in love with kubuntu
[04:14] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  what icons do you not want on the desktop?
[04:15] <ubuntu> im having a problem with my keyboard settings -.-, things are not what they should be like my question mark É for instance...., i checked in the `keyboard`settings and its sent to canadian as default and Logitech COrdless Desktop as the keyboard..... but im still having this problem .....
[04:15] <pestilence> JohnPhys: you know when you have files and folders in your ~/Desktop folder, the icons show on your gnome desktop?
[04:15] <pestilence> those ones.
[04:16] <JohnPhys> pestilence: .......so why store them in the ~/Desktop folder unless you want them to show on the desktop?
[04:16] <JohnPhys> I must be missing something
[04:16] <pestilence> JohnPhys: mainly because that's where a lot of things default to saving files
[04:16] <ctimko> Ok, why do I have to do Failsafe GNOME all the time
[04:17] <pestilence> JohnPhys: e.g. firefox
[04:17] <JohnPhys> pestilence;  ah, well I just change the defaults
[04:18] <pestilence> JohnPhys: i'd rather just not show anything.  because then if something does put a file in ~/Desktop, i'll have to move it
[04:19] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  yeah, there might be a way to do it, though I don't know.  it also seems like that's killing the purpose of the desktop, to be able to hold some files/folders if you like.
[04:19] <JohnPhys> ah well
[04:20] <pestilence> for me, the desktop is a place to have a pretty picture, nothing more
[04:20] <pestilence> i don't use the file browser, either.
[04:20] <JohnPhys> sounds like you should use fluxbox or something
[04:20] <pestilence> i probably should
[04:21] <Linuturk> just use screen
[04:21] <pestilence> i have used it in the past.
[04:21] <pestilence> i use screen as well :)
[04:22] <Linuturk> I hear dwm only has 56 lines of code pestilence
[04:23] <pestilence> hey.
[04:25] <tanner> anyone know if 8.04 has 802.11n support built in?
[04:25] <HorizonXP> does anyone have a link for ufw and how to use it?
[04:25] <HorizonXP> !ufw
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <jester7> are there problems with flash and java on the amd64 version of hardy?
[04:30] <pestilence> jester7: i can't tell you if there aren't problems, but i can tell you that flash worked for me when i tried it (have only been in hardy for ~1 hour)
[04:31] <pestilence> jester7: don't know about the java plugin
[04:37] <leo_rockw> if mesa has no 3d acceleration, how com glxgears works?
[04:39] <RAOF> Because mesa has a software OpenGL implementation, too.
[04:40] <leo_rockw> RAOF: thank you
[04:49] <Zoris> is configuring compiz different in 8.04? Because I can't seem to get it to work the same way as in 7.10
[04:50] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Can you give a specific example?
[04:51] <Zoris> Well, I've installed compiz and all the necessary software, advanced desktop effects works, but there is no "custom" option under appearance>visual effects
[04:51] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | Zoris
[04:51] <ubotu> Zoris: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[04:52] <Zoris> thatś already installed
[04:52] <cyclonut> has anyone tried the latest hal packages in the repos?
[04:52] <Zoris> I can access "advanced desktop effects settings" but I can't activate them
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Someone else was mentioning they had that problem, a while ago, do you have the latest updates?
[04:53] <Zoris> yes, everything except for language-pack-gnome-en, which won't install
[04:54] <Lleumas> I had that problem, but I tried installing it again after it failed and it worked.
[04:54] <Zoris> alright, Iĺl try reinstalling
[04:54] <leo_rockw> eew... impossible to even watch a video with mesa drivers
[04:55] <cyclonut> also, has anyone gotten dual-monitors to work with EXA rendering as opposed to XAA
[04:55] <Lleumas> Umm, would anyone know how to get my videothumbnails back. They aren't working for .avi that I know of -- I'm using Hardy so I figured I could ask in here. Also, I installed xine which was the only recommendation I could find on the forums.
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, can you play them regularly?
[04:56] <Lleumas> yes
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, and if so, check your nautilus settings in gconfeditor
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, there may be a quicker way, but you should be able to find what you need to specify maximal size to thumbnail for
[04:57] <cyclonut> Lleumas, thats just my guess as to what is wrong/a fix for you
[04:57] <Zoris> okay, that didn work, but installing simple-ccsm did (someone on the forums pointed me to that)
[04:57] <Lleumas> Alright thanks, I'll give it a shot
[04:58] <Jordan_U> Zoris, You should be able to save a configuration in ccsm and load it in simple-ccsm
[04:58] <cyclonut> again, anyone running dual-screens with EXA rendering?
[04:58] <Zoris> neither was installed to begin with
[04:59] <cyclonut> Also, what do the latest HAL updates change/are they going to cripple my delicate wifi/video situation?
[04:59] <Lleumas> cyclonut: thumbnail_limit?
[04:59] <cyclonut> Lleumas, sounds right
[05:00] <Lleumas> Have any idea what I should change it to?
[05:00] <cyclonut> well its probably in bytes
[05:00] <cyclonut> anything over that size will not get a thumbnail
[05:00] <cyclonut> soooo
[05:00] <Lleumas> It's 5242880 right now
[05:01] <Zoris> okay, now my visual effects keep going back to "normal" although I select "custom"
[05:01] <cyclonut> Lleumas, well, thats about 5 megabytes
[05:02] <cyclonut> you've gotta realize this is a performance issue... I bet theres a btter way to make this work
[05:03] <cyclonut> Lleumas, you might search around the forums before changing that to some huge number just yet. Perhaps get a sub-5mb video and see if it generates a thumbnail? or, perhaps the option is turned off somewhere else
[05:03] <Lleumas> I'm thinking it's probably the latter
[05:03] <Lleumas> because this just mentions images. I think the video options are somewhere else/ I don't have them
[05:03] <cyclonut> ah
[05:03] <cyclonut> im sure you have them
[05:04] <cyclonut> they are just somewhere else
[05:04] <cyclonut> sadly, I dont know where. sorry.
[05:04] <cyclonut> for now, its sleep. long day tomorrow!
[05:04] <cyclonut> g'night everyone and good luck
[05:04] <Zoris> okay, compiz is working now
[05:04] <Zoris> but having only two workspaces really messes it up
[05:08] <doofy`> before I file a bug report Ill ask in here. My storage drive (/dev/hda1/) worked just fine in gutsy. I upgraded to hardy and it wont mount. When i try sudo mount -a it returns mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:10] <Lleumas> Think I may have found the answer, and it was a Hardy related issue. Sweet.
[05:10] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, what does "fdisk -l" return when the drive is plugged in?
[05:11] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, its not on that list. Yes the drive is plugged in. This happened with hardy alpha as well. As soon as I reinstalled Gutsy it was mountable again.
[05:11] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, my best guess is that the proper kernel modules arent being added for my ide controller
[05:11] <leftyfb> Has anyone noticed nautilus bookmarks to ssh mounts/directories need to now be mounted in order to copy files to them? Previously in Feisty and Hardy I was able to drag a file to an sshfs bookmark in nautilus without having to first manually mount it and without it creating it's mount point icon on my desktop. Now nautilus complains that it's not mounted and I have to manually mount it which creates the mountpoint icon on the deskt
[05:11] <leftyfb> op.
[05:11] <doofy`> all of SATA drives are showing up
[05:12] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, i'm thinking so also... have you tried insmoding them?
[05:12] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, im not sure what they are :-/
[05:13] <doofy`> havent compiled as kernel since i installed gentoo a while back
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> ah, well i doubt they'd differ from 2.6.1 to 3.6.*
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> oops
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> 2.6.*... therefore you could probably boot from a gutsy live cd and lsmod to check whats loaded.
[05:14] <doofy`> ill pull down the gutsy live cd now and try it
[05:15] <doofy`> this must be a pretty isolated case as i havent read anything elsewhere about it
[05:15] <Jordan_U> Is flash working for you guys with pulseaudio? ( it has broken recently for me )
[05:18] <Zoris> I'm having trouble playing .ogg in movie player
[05:18] <Zoris> and rhythmbox
[05:19] <Zoris> basically the song just won't start
[05:20] <Zoris> audacity reads;
[05:20] <Zoris> Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate.
[05:20] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Audacity does not work with Pulseaudio
[05:21] <doofy`> what happened to home in ff3???
[05:21] <Zoris> what is pulseaudio?
[05:21] <Zoris> doofy, right-click and then choose "customize"
[05:21] <Zoris> you should be able to move the "home" bookmark and make it a home icon
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Zoris, It' a sound server that is network transparent, allows independent volume control for each application, and beside not working with Audacity is basically pure win :)
[05:22] <doofy`> Zoris, so no home button?
[05:23] <Zoris> there is, you just have to make it basically
[05:23] <doofy`> oh whoops, i had the bm toolbar hidden
[05:24] <leftyfb> any ideas on my nautilus/sshfs issue?
[05:25] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, you think thats the best way to find the module?
[05:25] <doofy`> just compare lsmod on hardy vs gutsy?
[05:25] <tcpdumpgod> Or check what chipset you have on your mobo and look up the correct module.
[05:25] <Zoris> so how do I play any music?
[05:26] <tcpdumpgod> With a music player.
[05:26] <Zoris> well, rhythmbox doesn't work
[05:27] <Zoris> nor does movie player or audacity
[05:27] <tcpdumpgod> Then something is wrong with your sound card, not the player.
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> Or the sound card module.
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> Or your output settings.
[05:28] <Zoris> well, it worked perfectly on Gutsy
[05:28] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, weird thing is my disc drives are working which are ide as well...
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, what kind of connection is the drive that isnt working?
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> IDE USB PCMCIA?
[05:28] <doofy`> ide
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Okay, and its hooked up to the same channel as the working drive?
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Dude, i dont think its the OS... in all honestly.
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> honesty*
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> I guess it has to be though
[05:29] <doofy`> guaranteed if i go back to gutsy it will work ;)
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, thats why I said that.
[05:30] <Zoris> is -my- problem is OSś fault? It sure seems like it to me
[05:31] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, your problem is that you haven't read enough.
[05:32] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, ill try lsmod and compare it with hardys... though im going to have trouble figuring out the differences
[05:32] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, SCP it to a remote location.
[05:32] <tcpdumpgod> "lsmod >> /tmp/modules.txt" then SCP it.
[05:33] <Zoris> I haven't read enough?
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, i've told you your problem.
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Either your sound card is incorrectly configured, or your output settings on your media players are wrong.
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Im leaning toward the 1st.
[05:33] <Zoris> and how do I fix this?
[05:34] <tcpdumpgod> I'd suggest you start googling.
[05:35] <Zoris> what command do I use to find out what sound card I have? All I know is itś some integrated one
[05:35] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, wouldnt you think that if the CD drives work that the HDD would too?
[05:35] <tcpdumpgod> Yes doofy` unless there's something wrong with the drives.
[05:35] <tcpdumpgod> Have you dug through the logs doofy` ?
[05:35] <doofy`> dont know where to look
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, "sudo lspci |grep -i audio"
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, "tail -n 30 /var/log/messages"
[05:36] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, ill do this real quick and see what I find, be back in a few minutes
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> ok
[05:43] <Syko> I've had a problem with compiz being disabled after upgrading to 8.04Beta
[05:43] <Syko> is there any topics covering this?
[05:43] <Zoris> I just got compiz working
[05:44] <GhotiPhud> do you have a mobile ati card?
[05:44] <Zoris> I installed simple-ccsm
[05:44] <Zoris> no, I'm afraid not
[05:45] <GhotiPhud> they've decided to disable compiz on those
[05:49] <Syko> GhotiPhud, I have x1950 ati card
[05:49] <Syko> not mobile
[05:50] <omar_> The system crashes on me eventually while doing something.. It turns all black as if I locked the screen, and I can't get it back unless I turn off the machine and turn it back on..
[05:51] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, any easy way to compare these? they aren't sort so a diff isnt very pretty
[05:51] <savvas> omar_: while doing what?
[05:53] <tcpdumpgod> diff file1 file2
[05:53] <omar_> savvas: I'm not sure, I'm surfing the net or playing a game or listening to music.. anything..
[05:53] <doofy`> i know, but they arent in any particular order so the diffs came out as big as the files ;)
[05:55] <savvas> omar_: a lot of info required to file a bug here i think, you can gather some info from the logs in /var/log/ directory - or look in the menu system > administration > system log :)
[05:55] <Jordan_U> doofy`, What are you trying to compare?
[05:55] <doofy`> Jordan_U, two lsmod outputs
[05:56] <Jordan_U> doofy`, use sort
[05:56] <doofy`> yea i just sorted a spread sheet with the modules
[05:59] <omar_> savvas: I found this one: WARNING: Main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[06:01] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, only thing that looks worthwhile is nls_cp437
[06:01] <raidium> why for the love of god is my gmail showing me this "Enema Recipe - AboutColonCleansing.info - Fantastic Enema Recipes Reviewed And Rated For You!"
[06:02]  * raidium sighs
[06:02] <doofy`> well actually take a look if you could... the before file was gutsy after is hardy http://pastebin.ca/956361
[06:02] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, is it a VFAT partition on that drive?
[06:02] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, no
[06:03] <doofy`> i cant remember if its ntfs or ext3
[06:03] <omar_> savvas: And that one: "init: tty6 main process (4840) killed by TERM signal. ", and there 5 more entries similar to this but with different numbers.
[06:04] <tcpdumpgod> I duno dude.
[06:04] <tcpdumpgod> you've got me on that one
[06:04] <doofy`> ahh looks like pata_amd :)
[06:04] <doofy`> so insmod pata_amd
[06:05] <doofy`> is that the correct command? and do i need to restart
[06:05] <omar_> savvas: And finally: "gdm [6080]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 "
[06:06] <doofy`> ugh nevermind that is in my hardy... not in gutsy
[06:08] <savvas> omar_: file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - use a descriptive title, such as: hardy system crash while in use - Main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[06:08] <savvas> omar_: explain how you installed hardy (fresh install or upgrade), what where you doing when it happened, attach some logfiles :)
[06:09] <savvas> omar_: also state if it's updated to use the latest software
[06:09] <Jordan_U> doofy`, Have you tried mounting by UUID ?
[06:10] <doofy`> Jordan_U, nope
[06:11] <doofy`> how can i figure out the drives uuid?
[06:11] <savvas> doofy`: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:11] <DanaG> or sudo vol_id -u /dev/sd(whatever)
[06:11] <voidmage> anyone else having trouble connecting to hidden wireless networks as in bug 200950?
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200950 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[iwl3945] network manager not able to associate to hidden SSID (scan_capa = 0x0)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200950
[06:12] <doofy`> drive isnt even showing up :-/
[06:13] <doofy`> it has to be a kernel module i cant think of anything else it could be
[06:13] <doofy`> it doesnt show up under fdisk -l
[06:13] <savvas> doofy`: lspci | grep -i unknown
[06:13] <doofy`> nothing
[06:14] <savvas> sata or ata?
[06:14] <doofy`> ata
[06:14] <doofy`> worked fine in gutsy
[06:14] <doofy`> http://pastebin.ca/956361 thats the diff on the lsmod between gutsy live and hardy
[06:14] <savvas> doofy`: lspci | grep IDE
[06:15] <doofy`> savvas, 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 IDE (rev a5)
[06:15] <savvas> nforce drivers..
[06:15] <savvas> have you installed those?
[06:15] <doofy`> no?
[06:16] <doofy`> how would i go about doing that?
[06:16] <doofy`> from nvidia?
[06:17] <doofy`> im not seeing any nforce 3 ones on their site
[06:18] <savvas> hm..
[06:18] <doofy`> it worked fine in gutsy without drivers
[06:19] <savvas> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html
[06:19] <savvas> maybe tis one
[06:19] <savvas> well.. dunno :)
[06:19] <doofy`> do you know if theyre in the repos?
[06:19] <Jordan_U> doofy`, jocky doesn't work?
[06:20] <doofy`> Jordan_U, whats that?
[06:20] <savvas> the hardware drivers in system > administration
[06:20] <Jordan_U> doofy`, It's the replacement for restricted-driver-manager
[06:20] <doofy`> Jordan_U, nothing related to my chipset is in their, just fglrx
[06:21] <murlidhar> isn't compiz fusion-icon working in hardy?
[06:22] <Jordan_U> doofy`, That's odd, unless you have another card in your computer you should file a bug
[06:22] <savvas> doofy`: well try install it, if it doesn't do the trick, file a bug :)
[06:23] <savvas> check your wires too, if you were messing around in the tower
[06:23] <Jordan_U> fglrx can't be much worse with nvidia cards than it does with ATI cards :)
[06:23] <doofy`> savvas, hasnt moved ;) In that driver package there is only RHEL, Fedora and Suse folders
[06:24] <savvas> darn
[06:24] <doofy`> grrr this is killing me
[06:25] <doofy`> i suppose ill file a bug report
[06:25] <doofy`> any suggestions on what to add to the report log wise?
[06:38] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with networkmanager
[06:39] <AnAnt> it somehow cannot detect that it became connected to a network
[06:39] <AnAnt> it always tries to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless)
[06:40] <AnAnt> for example today it kept trying to connect to the AP, and then it decided that it failed although it was able to get an IP address !
[06:40] <AnAnt> anyone has that problem ?
[06:50] <EruditeHermit> hey has anyone setup google calendar with evolution yet?
[06:51] <bluefoxx> can i report a error im finding in hardy? everytime i try to use tab completion in the terminal with sudo it doesnt work then uses the system bell
[06:52] <bluefoxx> other than this and a bit of trouble booting the livecd[had to choose no splash and no quiet else it hung at intramfs thingy] and having to track down all my programs again, its great
[06:57] <bluefoxx> the newest firefox is pretty sweet
[07:00] <bluefoxx> im loving the new compiz effects, they will probally be even faster with a 512 MB nvidia 6600/6800 i bet
[07:04] <VanDyke> seriously
[07:04] <VanDyke> ubuntu 32 bit 8.04
[07:04] <VanDyke> with gnome
[07:04] <VanDyke> AWESOME
[07:06] <savvas> bluefoxx: apt-get install bash-completion
[07:06] <savvas> there's a bug about it
[07:09] <bluefoxx> savvas: will do
[07:10] <KalEl> when i search for a file through the tracker tool, on the left pane it shows a number of files found, but the main box (where the files should display) is blank
[07:10] <hrlr> Hi there.  I can't seem to find a bug report for the problem that I'm having so I thought that I'd come here to see if anyone else is having the same problem...  My computer is showing up in my router as having the hostname "*"  it used to show up as "ubuntu" or whatever hostname I put in on setup.  Has anyone noticed this at all?
[07:11] <Jordan_U> hrlr, What does the command "hostname" output?
[07:11] <hrlr> ubuntu
[07:12] <savvas> KalEl: run it in terminal, maybe it will popup an error to file a bug :) tracker-search-tool
[07:12] <hrlr> Jordan_U:  I did try that earlier...  But outwardly the hostname is showing as "*"
[07:12] <KalEl> savvas, ran it in terminal, doesn't show anything
[07:13] <KalEl> i mean nothing comes as a message on terminal
[07:13] <savvas> hrlr: you can change it in /etc/hosts
[07:13] <savvas> hrlr: then you use the hostname command to change, but only AFTER you edit /etc/hosts, otherwise you'll get a broken system :)
[07:14] <savvas> KalEl: report it as a bug, or maybe there's one already
[07:14] <hrlr> savvas:  so this is expected behaviour?  In previous version of ubuntu the hostname would be what it was and not "*" as default.
[07:15] <KalEl> ahh... it's already there it seems, this is exactly my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/149300
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149300 in tracker "incomplete or missing search results shown" [Medium,Fix released]
[07:16] <savvas> hrlr: well uh.. file the bug :)
[07:17] <hrlr> Under NetworkManager 0.6.6?
[07:18] <savvas> KalEl: apt-cache policy tracker-search-tool | grep Installed
[07:18] <KalEl> savvas, Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu2
[07:18] <savvas> KalEl: add a comment that you confirm the problem on that version
[07:19] <KalEl> ok will do... also is there any way to set a flag so that the bug is easily noticeable for hardy?
[07:20] <Lynoure> KalEl: you could add Hardy in the title
[07:20] <Lynoure> KalEl: Launchpad cannot split bugs anyway
[07:20] <KalEl> ok thanks
[07:20] <Lynoure> so better keep them separate unless you know they are same
[07:21] <savvas> KalEl: nominate for hardy on the left menu, I've set that bug report back to confirmed
[07:21] <_Angelus_> guys
[07:21] <murlidhar> strange  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60957/
[07:21] <_Angelus_> is wine gonna be updated to newer releases in hardy?
[07:21] <savvas> KalEl: also, try to right click on the tracker tray icon and select reindex, maybe that will fix the problem
[07:21] <_Angelus_> or is it gonna stay 0.9.58 ?
[07:21] <Lynoure> It was a bit frustrating to see a huge partially confirmed closed as Won't Fix no splitting :/
[07:22] <_Angelus_> till the next release
[07:22] <murlidhar> watch the line 16 and 17
[07:23] <KalEl> savvas, ok... also another thing, the tooltip is stuck at "Indexing 1/11 folders" for a long time - even after i've asked it to reindex
[07:25] <murlidhar> what is the problem?
[07:26] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: most probably stay the same
[07:26] <savvas> KalEl: sudo aptitude reinstall tracker tracker-search-tool
[07:26] <nox-Hand> THe insatller just sorta hangs at 66% "Setting up the Partitioner""
[07:26] <nox-Hand> Is this a known bug, or is it just me?
[07:28] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, why doesnt the ubuntu team start updating wine so people won't need to add the wine repisotory themselves :/
[07:29] <savvas> _Angelus_: because they're probably trying to make open source popular, not windows emulators :)
[07:29] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: because they release stable releases every 6 months. It doesn't make sense to keep updating things because you cannot guarantee the stability of everything all the time. If they updated everything continually, things would break
[07:29] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: better to focus on making a stable reliable product once every six months than making an unstable mess
[07:31] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, understood :)
[07:31] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: most peoples needs are for stability over bleeding edge and therefore this is their rationale.
[07:31] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, yes i agree. but in the case of wine, it's getting better and better with every release
[07:32] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: that may be so, but it takes time to verify each release and package it and make sure there are no bugs
[07:32] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: by the time that is done, a new release may be out, and you have to do it all over again.
[07:33] <murlidhar> my new kernel given with hardy does wrongly identify my ethernet card which makes me use my old kernel of gutsy.   Is there any way i can configure my ethernet card in the latest kernel.????
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: I understand your desire for bleeding edge, but there is just a trade off
[07:33] <murlidhar> i am not able to use my ethernet card for internet in the new kernel
[07:34] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: I think 6 months is a reasonable trade off. MSFT and Apple don't release that frequently
[07:34] <kgoetz> hi all. should i be installing ubuntu-desktop before attempting to upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[07:36] <chris062689> what is the best way to upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy?
[07:37] <bazhang> edit your sources list changing gutsy to hardy, refresh then dist-upgrade
[07:37] <chris062689> there was another way though...
[07:38] <bazhang> kgoetz: from kubuntu xubuntu what?
[07:38] <kgoetz> bazhang: from Ubuntu 6.06
[07:38] <kgoetz> with gnome :)
[07:38] <bazhang> kgoetz: gnome to gnome? then you should be fine ;]
[07:39] <murlidhar> chris062689, download alternate cd iso. mount the image and type   ""    sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade   ""
[07:39] <KalEl> reinstalled tracker, still doesn't work properly
[07:40] <bazhang> best differs around here ;]
[07:40] <bluefoxx> what package did i need to un-rar .rar files again?its been three months since i last installed all my programs and im so used to them just being there...im racking my brain trying to remember but theres too much r/l stuff there now...not to mention todays events[but noone will want to know those lol]
[07:40] <chris062689> there was a command with dist-upgrade I could do without changing my sources.list though
[07:40] <murlidhar> chris062689, if mounted on /media/cdrom/
[07:40] <murlidhar> chris062689, do u have a stable internet connection?
[07:40] <chris062689> yep
[07:41] <murlidhar> then is better to follow bazhang
[07:41] <chris062689> ok
[07:41] <bazhang> big dist-upgrade though; best not be on dialup ;]
[07:44] <kgoetz> bazhang: without the metapackage? cheers :)
[07:46] <savvas> bluefoxx: apt-get install rar unrar :)
[07:46] <bluefoxx> O.o what do the "encript" and "sign" options on the context menu do? i tired them but couldnt figure it out...
[07:46] <bluefoxx> savvas: tyvm^^
[07:47] <savvas> bluefoxx: you can encrypt your files for extra protections, but you need a gnupg key first :)
[07:47] <savvas> but without the key, i don't think you can restore that encrypted file
[07:48] <bluefoxx> savvas: how do i get this key?
[07:48] <vega--> does anyone have a working sun-java6-plugin in hardy? i don't see it in about:plugins after install
[07:49] <bluefoxx> and could i save a backup of it to say, a redundant set of srives[also known as my raid5 external, internal scsi and internal sata]
[07:49] <savvas> bluefoxx: applications > accessories > passwords... > file > create new key
[07:49] <bluefoxx> savvas: ty
[07:49] <savvas> bluefoxx: oops, not file, but key
[07:49] <DistroJockey> vega--: I tried but couldn't get it to work either
[07:50] <DistroJockey> vega--: not tried very hard yet though
[07:50] <vega--> DistroJockey: i've checked update-alternatives and restarted the browser, the basic stuff, but doesn't show up
[07:51] <DistroJockey> vega--: I think I'll try the GCJ
[07:51] <savvas> DistroJockey: your nick would be make a nice domain :)
[07:52] <DistroJockey> vega--: heh, yeah, I have the email rented ;P
[07:52] <bluefoxx> savvas: thanks, im on my way now ^^
[07:53] <DistroJockey> What are your thoughts on GCJ ?
[07:53] <vega--> DistroJockey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/173966
[07:53] <savvas> bluefoxx: if you're going to create a pgp/gpg key, set it to expire in 2-3 years, i think that's good for a fine protection method
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173966 in sun-java6 "java plugin not working in firefox 3 on ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:53] <vega--> so that's it...
[07:53] <DistroJockey> ahh
[07:53] <DistroJockey> Trying GCJ now
[07:54] <bluefoxx> savvas: kk, tyvm
[07:54] <savvas> n/p :)
[07:54] <Finnish> UGh
[07:55] <Finnish> Is bluetooth working ok in hardy?
[07:55] <Finnish> I guess I'm having somekind of problems
[07:56] <DistroJockey> vega--: No luck with GCJ either for the site I'm checking with
[07:56] <Finnish> Terminal gives me this error when launching blueman: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files
[07:57] <hrlr> Is there anyone in here that can help me to confirm and associate a bug report I just created?
[07:59] <hrlr> I'm unsure of what package I should be associating the bug with:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-interbase/+bug/206392
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206392 in php-interbase "can`t instal at ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New]
[07:59] <hrlr> Sorry...  Wrong bug..
[08:00] <hrlr> Here's the proper link.....   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206384
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206384 in ubuntu "hostname is incorrect on LAN" [Undecided,New]
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: The 3 terminal commands listed in that bug report seems to have fixed it for me
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: sudo sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: cd /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-3.0-javaplugin.so
[08:05] <hrlr> DistroJockey:  Would an update to Java break your symlink?
[08:05] <DistroJockey> hrlr: *shrugs* Probably
[08:06] <DistroJockey> hrlr: Only got half way throught the responses on the bug report, but decided to give it a go. Not read the rest yet :)
[08:07] <hrlr> DistroJockey:  From what I've read, this bug will not be fixed in Sun Java 6.  Apparently it'll only be fixed in Java 7.  That kinda irked me.
[08:07] <Amaranth> luckily we have openjdk 6 in hardy :)
[08:08] <tanner> anyone know if 802.11n is enabled in hardy?
[08:08] <DistroJockey> hrlr: ahh
[08:09] <clusty> tanner, what do you mean enabled?
[08:09] <tanner> clusty: for the most part 802.11n is not included by default
[08:09] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: Is that what GCJ is?
[08:09] <Amaranth> no
[08:09] <clusty> tanner, i know for a fact that the intel N card words fine
[08:09] <hrlr> Amaranth:  Yeah, but will it be the first selected default for users to install?  Also, is it as compatible?  I tried to use Icedtea java with Mercury and it crashes :(
[08:10] <Amaranth> clusty: afaik the intel one is the only one
[08:10] <tanner> clusty: sure, if you have the code enabled and the kernel configured for it
[08:10] <tanner> however, for example, in gusty with the default kernel, my Intel 4965AGN card is unable to connect to a N only WAP
[08:10] <clusty> i dont have a N card, but a buddy got it working since feisty
[08:11] <clusty> tanner, that I dont know :D
[08:11] <Amaranth> tanner: the driver in gutsy was not certified by intel
[08:11] <clusty> he could just connect somehow :D
[08:11] <Amaranth> because it was not ready yet
[08:11] <Amaranth> it was just a "this is better than nothing" and probably "dell uses intel chips" move :P
[08:12] <clusty> and the iwl driver is any different?
[08:12] <tanner> clusty: perhaps his AP is in mixed mode
[08:12] <Amaranth> the iwl driver was used in gutsy too for the 4965 but it was experimental
[08:12] <tanner> wouldnt know about dell, i only use thinkpads :)
[08:12] <tanner> i see
[08:12] <clusty> i dont like the iwl driver
[08:12] <clusty> my connection drops constantly
[08:12] <tanner> well i know that support is there in 2.6.24, but has to be enabled with a patch last i recall
[08:13] <clusty> and the blinky light of wireless is not shining anymore
[08:13] <clusty> :D
[08:13] <tanner> clusty: i have mixed results, seems dmesg reports firmware failures which require me to reload the module to reconnect
[08:13] <tanner> clusty: supposed to be fixed just not included/enabled by default in 2.6.24
[08:13] <kgoetz> i've dont seem to have an updated update-manager-core available, and when i run do-release-upgrade -d it claims theres no new release found. anyone had this before?
[08:13] <tanner> at least according to #ipw2100
[08:14] <clusty> btw why did they switch from iwp to iwl drivers?
[08:14] <tanner> might be best to ask in the aforementioned channel
[08:15] <kgoetz> stupid upgrade tools :/
[08:15] <clusty> any clue if packet injection works with the iwl?
[08:15] <clusty> :D
[08:15] <tanner> haha
[08:15] <tanner> it would be nice, though probably not?
[08:16] <clusty> i used to have a hacked driver kernel just to fool around
[08:17]  * tanner needs 802.11n enabled and working at full speed so he can stream hi def media over his wireless network
[08:21] <oxigen> huh, i dont see navigation panels any more! HELP! I didn't save some stuff on desktop #3 :( what can i do?
[08:21] <oxigen> i dont want to ctrl+alt+backspace now..
[08:22] <oxigen> any other option?
[08:22] <oxigen> this happen while i was in a toilet :/
[08:23] <kgoetz> ^ alt [left,right] to switch workspaces?
[08:23] <DanaG> gnome panel missing, or window decoration missing?
[08:23] <DanaG> ^?  Caret?  Don'tcha' mean 'ctrl' ?
[08:24] <kgoetz> yes, i mean ctrl. aka ^
[08:24] <oxigen> no, this doesnt help :(
[08:25] <DanaG> Hmm, are the panels missing, or the window manager?
[08:25] <oxigen> aaa! :) ctrl+alt [left,right] do the job! thanks kgoetz!
[08:25] <kgoetz> :)
[08:26] <oxigen> but still why panels missing?
[08:26] <kgoetz> could be a number of reasons. perhaps its running, but died off
[08:27] <kgoetz> press alt+f2, and enter 'xterm' - does it launch?
[08:27] <oxigen> alt+f2 doesnt work
[08:32] <oxigen> hmm, probably was latest upgrade...
[08:32] <oxigen> but ok i have all saved! :)
[08:33] <gluer> Users $HOM/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. Users $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users??
[08:33] <gluer> any ideas?
[08:34] <gluer> $HOME not $HOM
[08:34] <gluer> :-)
[08:34] <kgoetz> gluer: chmod 644 ~/.dmrc
[08:34] <gluer> ok will try now brb
[08:35] <Raspberry> tanner: I can't seem to get my WirelessN card working as a wireless N ... it is stuck @ G
[08:36] <J-_> Does Exaile's EQ work in Hardy?
[08:36]  * J-_ hears no difference
[08:36] <Raspberry> tanner: I've got an Intel 4965 AGN
[08:37] <sbingner> Raspberry, try updating your access point to N
[08:37] <gluer> didnt work..appears everytime i login
[08:37]  * sbingner ducks
[08:37]  * J-_ quacks
[08:37] <Raspberry> wow.
[08:37] <sbingner> lol
[08:37] <sbingner> sorry I couldn't resist
[08:38] <tanner_> erm
[08:38] <tanner_> well this is peachy, vmware causes a system hang
[08:38] <Raspberry> ... being an idiot, yeah, I know
[08:38] <sbingner> Raspberry, you'd be surprised how many times questions like that turn out to be the right answer... but everybody's afraid to ask them :p
[08:38] <J-_> tanner_: Really? What about vbox?
[08:39] <tanner_> J-_: virtualbox?
[08:39] <J-_> Yes
[08:39] <tanner_> havent tried it, not sure windows will like my trying to play it
[08:39] <J-_> Oh you're on windows? nvm
[08:40] <tanner_> no, on linux
[08:40] <tanner_> with a windows guest
[08:41] <Raspberry> oh whoops, I guess sbingner was right -- my wireless router was set to b/g only!
[08:41] <tanner_> 8.04 has many nicieties (mainly the automounting of sata drives, such as my eSATA drives) that are not present in 7.10, but for the majority of what i need seems to be lacking =(
[08:42] <tanner_> Raspberry: if i may ask, what were you trying to accomplish
[08:42] <Raspberry> tanner_: I'm trying to figure out KVM so I can virtualize my windows guest :)
[08:42] <Raspberry> tanner_: accomplish in regards to?
[08:43] <tanner_> your WAP and b/g
[08:44] <Raspberry> ah ... I thought I'd make sbingner feel good about himself
[08:44] <Raspberry> my problem isn't actually fixed
[08:45] <Raspberry> I've got a thinkpad with the 4965 AGN card in it... and I can't seem to connect to the N router in Linux, but can in Windows...
[08:45] <tanner_> haha
[08:45] <tanner_> T61p?
[08:46] <tanner_> well, T61 or T61p is my guess
[08:46] <Raspberry> x61t
[08:46] <J-_> Latest updates alright to install?
[08:46] <tanner_> SuperView or Multitouch?
[08:46] <J-_> I have a R61e
[08:46] <Raspberry> wxga super
[08:46] <J-_> Works awesome
[08:46] <Raspberry> 1400x1050
[08:47] <tanner_> how do you like it Raspberry, battery life and everything?
[08:47] <Raspberry> tanner_: i get about 4hrs in linux and 6.5 in vista
[08:47] <tanner_> J-_: everything on my thinkpad is technically supported, some fall a bit short though :( such as 802.11n
[08:47] <Raspberry> turning everything off in linux only gives me ~20 more minutes
[08:47] <tanner_> Raspberry: thats disappointing to hear
[08:48] <tanner_> although i believe Ubuntu falls very short in regards to laptops and power management (in gnome at least)
[08:48] <J-_> tanner_: hmm, weird. Internet works perfect here. I got a Intel Wireless PRO card though
[08:48] <Raspberry> I'm just about ready to switch to KDE4
[08:49] <Raspberry> I was a kde user until I installed this machine in November
[08:49] <gluer> raspberry: is KDE4 better?
[08:49] <tanner_> J-_: as do i, however, with default kernel and the iwl4965 driver, it will not connect without compiling a special driver
[08:49] <Raspberry> kde4 is really nice except the dual display stuff doesn't work right
[08:49]  * tanner_ much prefers KDE, however, not Kubuntu
[08:49] <Raspberry> it limits the larger monitor to the size of the smaller one
[08:49] <gluer> raspberry: how do i install it?
[08:50] <nox-Hand> I have next to no idea why, but I cannot run the partitioner in the beta CD
[08:50] <Raspberry> tanner_: yeah, that's what turned me off to kde in "ubuntu" kubuntu really mangled the whole thing
[08:50] <nox-Hand> Well, gparted works, but running the installer it fails
[08:50] <tanner_> Raspberry: i would not be suprised if you got better battery life thanks to KLaptop or whatever its called
[08:50] <tanner_> yes agreed, Kubuntu butchers KDE
[08:51] <tanner_> i personally think openSUSE's kde implementation is the best i've seen yet.
[08:51] <bazhang> meh.
[08:51] <Raspberry> less features but working always outweighs more features but broken ...
[08:51] <J-_> tanner_: Ah I see.. This is the first time having wireless, so I'm not really too good with it. All I know is, I had a bit of trouble when I first got the lappy, but it's solved from updates and it works awesome. I just can't use WPA2. But yeah, it's been working good. I just have DSL mind you.
[08:51] <bazhang> but kde + ubuntu = win
[08:52] <tanner_> J-_: why not?
[08:52] <Raspberry> tanner_: I agree I love OpenSuSE's KDE implementation ... definitely the best -- my issue with them is their package management process is horrible... way way way too slow
[08:52] <tanner_> J-_: why no WPA2?
[08:52] <J-_> bazhang: I agree, but I need to use gnome right now, too used to it. I just installed kde4, tried it for a bit, but meh. Back to Gnome for the most part
[08:52] <tanner_> Raspberry: +1, i usually stick to the command line "zypper" instead of the gui, i agree apt-get is nicer
[08:52] <J-_> tanner_: Don't know, I have no option to select it with nm-applet.
[08:53] <bazhang> J-_: not so much responding to you; just someone said Suse was awesome kde, but with rpm is it worth it? ;]
[08:53] <tanner_> weird, in ubuntu it auto detects and asks for the passkey :-\
[08:53] <tanner_> bazhang: as Raspberry said, it is a downfall :( but its implementation is soo wonderful.. wish someone would do that with Debian
[08:54] <bazhang> tanner_: yeah I get that too I'm using wpa2 but nm detects only wpa; still connects fine though
[08:54] <J-_> bazhang: I responded to you, I know you weren't talking to me.
[08:54] <gluer> installing kde4 now, 200+mb?
[08:54] <bazhang> J-_: right, well ubuntu and kubuntu differ by so little that it is really eye candy at this point
[08:54] <Raspberry> I wanted to run OpenSuSE, but I just couldn't after trying to add packages -- it's just confusing and slow
[08:54] <J-_> hehe
[08:55] <Raspberry> but like I was commenting in here earlier... Ubuntu could really learn from OpenSuSE's control panel...
[08:55] <Raspberry> I can configure my tablet using a GUI.
[08:55] <bazhang> J-_: witness the fact that I spend most of time in #ubuntu and can still answer many gui questions there ;]
[08:55] <Raspberry> pen and all with OpenSuSE 11
[08:55] <tanner_> yast2 is wonderful
[08:55] <bazhang> rpm bleh
[08:56] <J-_> bazhang: Yeah, cool.
[08:56] <nox-Hand> Oddly enough, if I select English language, installer works fine
[08:56] <tanner_> bazhang: i disagree; while the foundation (ubuntu) is similar, the polish and effort given to the distro's differ greatly, Ubuntu is extremely polished and smooth, Kubuntu seems slopped together, broken, less polish
[08:57] <tanner_> mind you, yast2 is the gui configuration tools
[08:57] <J-_> Opensuse isn't Ubuntu. There are probably other such channels for that discussion.
[08:57] <bazhang> tanner_: sorry; it takes two coins to click ;]
[08:57] <tanner_> sorry, unfamiliar with that phrase, though i imagine it has something to do with $.02
[08:58] <bazhang> nah it means roughly from the Mandarin it takes two to tango ;]
[09:00] <Raspberry> I'm bummed -- I'm stuck with a couple of bugs that I don't think I'll be fixing tonight
[09:02] <tanner_> Raspberry: such as?
[09:02] <Raspberry> trying to get MythTV to play some MPEG4 XVID AVI files
[09:02] <Raspberry> I can play them on the box, but Myth doesn't like it
[09:02] <Raspberry> and I can see what it says since I have a crappy old TV ... the print is too fine
[09:02] <tanner_> Raspberry: tired the #myth-users channel?
[09:02] <Raspberry> can > can't
[09:03] <Raspberry> they're only helping women :P
[09:03] <tanner_> lol
[09:03] <Raspberry> some guy just went off on a tyrade about it
[09:03] <Raspberry> I asked my question in there, but my handle doesn't have Vanessa in it
[09:03] <Raspberry> so I'm back to poking around
[09:04] <tanner_> lol
[09:05] <Raspberry> I've found a few comments people are making about mythtv 0.21 and xvmc issues
[09:05] <tanner_> iamleanardo is usually helpful
[09:05] <Raspberry> where xvmc is auto-detecting content incorrectly and trying to hardware accellerate video that it can't
[09:06] <Raspberry> iamlindoro?
[09:06] <tanner_> yeah that'd be him
[09:07] <Raspberry> i'll keep an eye out from him
[09:08] <tanner_> brb, have to restart x :-\
[09:09] <tanner> wtf
[09:09] <tanner> xchat is going crazy
[09:09] <tanner> xchat and xorg, eating up my cpu
[09:10] <tanner> weird..
[09:10] <tanner> damn kvm
[09:11] <Raspberry> you're using kvm? or A KVM?
[09:11] <Raspberry> they should have picked a different name for that software
[09:11] <tanner> must have been why vmware was crashing
[09:11] <tanner> kvm the virtualization software
[09:12] <Raspberry> how is that working
[09:12] <tanner> not especially well at the moment
[09:13] <tanner> although neither is vmware since the upgrade to 8.04
[09:17] <tanner> erm so annoying
[09:17] <tanner> vmware is holding my keyboard hostage
[09:21] <Raspberry> it's always nice when the system won't boot properly after a restart
[09:21] <tanner> ;-\
[09:21] <Raspberry> this is a gutsy issue... so I'd better ask the question over in #ubuntu
[09:21] <tanner> its always nice when vmware refuses to release the keyboard
[09:22] <Raspberry> my mythtv box is hanging at "No resume image, doing normal boot..."
[09:22] <tanner> sounds like a hibernation thing
[09:23] <Raspberry> CTRL+ALT+DEL gets it to start booting, but it mounts the drive read-only
[09:23] <Raspberry> this is a desktop machine :)
[09:23] <Raspberry> there shouldn't be any hibernating going on :P
[09:24] <tanner> understandable, however when it talks of a resume image, sounds to me like its expecting a image in swap
[09:24] <Raspberry> tanner: I believe all kernels do that now
[09:24] <Raspberry> they look for an "image" to resume from when starting... my laptop does it
[09:25] <tanner> interesting
[09:25] <Raspberry> it's the second (i think) line that pops up ... when the system boots
[09:26] <Raspberry> the system boots fine into recovery mode
[09:26] <Raspberry> ... or maybe not :P
[09:27] <tanner> erm, have to restart x 888again88
[09:27] <Raspberry> fix your shift key while you're at it
[09:27] <Raspberry> ;)
[09:28] <tanner> meh
[09:28] <tanner> as much as i dont want to i may have to go back to gusty
[09:31] <Raspberry> bah
[09:31] <Raspberry> I've been running hardy for a month
[09:31] <Raspberry> or two now
[09:32] <Raspberry> hmm
[09:32]  * tanner would love to have a myth box (small, discrete) capable of 1080p playback, although id settle for just proper video playback of all formats and high resolution output
[09:32] <Raspberry> this thing seems to be hung up trying to run a disk check on start up
[09:32] <Raspberry> why do i have a compulsion to hit the thing even though I know that won't fix the problem
[09:33] <tanner> well, gusty works great for me.. sans a few things, primarily Intel HD Sound is really only properly supported in 2.6.24, and in Hardy eSATA is much easier to mount and manage
[09:33] <tanner> Raspberry: its how we humans have been fixing things for the last 5,000 years :D
[09:33] <Raspberry> it works on a lot of things
[09:34] <Raspberry> but I'm finding that as stuff is more intricate and made out of cheaper materials ... that approach doesn't work as well anymore
[09:34] <Raspberry> i'm tempted to just leave it sit @ the "loading" screen and see if it fixes itself
[09:34] <tanner> so it seems
[09:34] <Raspberry> yup
[09:34] <Raspberry> there it goes
[09:35] <Raspberry> heh
[09:36] <Raspberry> and now VNC works
[09:37] <Raspberry> i'm testing out the dynamic remote control key assignments too
[09:37] <Raspberry> which amazingly seem to work
[09:38] <tanner> what is your setup for this box?
[09:38] <Raspberry> and of course they work... because the control centre utility never updated them :p
[09:39] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. i'm on hardy, and i plugin a usb drive, but i get nothing, i'm tailing /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog while doing this but there's no messages coming up?
[09:39] <Raspberry> it's just a desktop PC with an Athlon64X2 3800+ and 1gb of memory ... with 1 320gb hdd for the OS / Records and 1 320gb drive for all my music and any videos I convert from recordings... DVD rips... et al
[09:40] <tanner> nice
[09:40] <buz> i'm fighting with lm-sensors-3 in hardy
[09:41] <tanner> NET||abuse: what does dmesg report
[09:41] <buz> fan divisor settings are being ignored
[09:41] <NET||abuse> tanner, yeh, see some messages there now,, hm, why not any under syslog or messages files?
[09:41] <Raspberry> i've got a pair of the PC-HD cards cx8800 driver cards that do analog and digital recording
[09:42] <Raspberry> and a cheap FX series Nvidia Card with an S-VIDEO out to the TV
[09:42] <tanner> NET||abuse: not sure why the system logs wouldnt pick it up, however all device messages will show under dmesg or /var/logs/dmesg*, as long as your device is registering and you see it in dmesg, try going to places -> and seeing if it shows up there
[09:42] <NET||abuse> tanner, the messages are "hub 5-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?\n ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: port 1 reset error -110\n  hub 5-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)"
[09:43] <NET||abuse> tanner, nothing under places had already checked that
[09:43] <NET||abuse> the cable isn't bad, it's been in use on other pc's thismorning already
[09:43] <tanner> Raspberry: sounds like a good setup, i'm looking to build a slim profile set top box with essentially the same functionality
[09:44] <tanner> NET||abuse: i'm afraid i have no idea what the problem may be, you may get lucky searching google using those dmesg messages in the search query
[09:44] <Raspberry> tanner: if I did it again, I'd get a faster processor ... that seems to be the bottleneck
[09:44] <NET||abuse> tanner, are you looking to basically setup a linux based apple tv/tivo appliance?
[09:44] <tanner> Raspberry: in regards to what? hi def playback? or general use?
[09:44] <Raspberry> both
[09:45] <Raspberry> hd playback and commercial flagging
[09:45] <tanner> NET||abuse: sorta, i dont really need it to have a capture card though
[09:45] <NET||abuse> heard a review of something called the popcorn A100 or something.. one sec
[09:45] <Raspberry> it's very slow to transcode shows too
[09:45] <NET||abuse> i'll get a link
[09:45] <tanner> for the most part, i just want something i can send my files *avi, mpg, mkv, etc etc etc to and have it play on my big screen
[09:45] <Raspberry> 4+hrs for a 2hr hockey game
[09:46] <NET||abuse> http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
[09:46] <Raspberry> tanner: than, up until 0.21 that would work
[09:46] <tanner> Raspberry: if i was going all out, i'd have a dedicated super server as the backend
[09:46] <Raspberry> seems like some funny stuff is going on here with 0.21
[09:46] <tanner> NET||abuse: wow, looks interesting
[09:46] <NET||abuse> yup
[09:46] <NET||abuse> thought so
[09:46] <Raspberry> I think I'm going to build a second box as a front-end and move this backend to the basement right to where the line comes in
[09:47] <Raspberry> then I can slimline my "front-end" upstairs machine
[09:48] <ccooke> Raspberry: heh. I did that this weekend :-)
[09:48] <tanner> NET||abuse: sadly i still want to do it myself :( but this seems rather.. ideal
[09:48] <NET||abuse> tanner, the os that the popcorn thing is all built on is some linux breed, i'm not sure, but it sounds like they support user land tinkering
[09:48] <Raspberry> I guess ... to sum it all up - - Ubuntu had the easiest install of MythTV .. that actually worked :)  and the whole process of tracking, recording and playing back video is a lot more resource intensive then I first anticipated...  I'd think faster processor (2ghz minimum) and at least 2gb of ram
[09:49] <Raspberry> ccooke: better?
[09:49] <NET||abuse> tanner, well, maybe double check that, but the way I heard about it it might be open for re-working parts of it.
[09:49] <ccooke> Raspberry: not as much an improvement as 0.21 was!
[09:49] <Raspberry> yeah 0.21 had lots of nice features
[09:49] <Raspberry> ccooke: are you running off of packages or from source?
[09:49] <tanner> seems interesting
[09:49] <ccooke> packages.
[09:50] <Raspberry> ccooke: the streams package doesn't seem to be updated to .21
[09:50] <ccooke> From source is all very well if you're the only person *using* the system...
[09:50] <Raspberry> my g/f likes the fact that now she can get movie listings and times for local theaters in about 4 -6 button pushes
[09:50] <tanner> I can imagine
[09:50] <ccooke> Raspberry: that doesn't work outside the US, though, which is annoying
[09:51] <ccooke> (it should actually *say* so)
[09:51] <Raspberry> heh
[09:51] <tanner> NET||abuse: seems availability is rather limited
[09:51] <ccooke> Raspberry: My apt sources containst this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu gutsy main
[09:51] <Raspberry> that's where I get mine from too
[09:51] <ccooke> (not running hardy on anything that anyone else depends on, yet)
[09:51] <NET||abuse> tanner, that's the one issue, you gotta get on a waiting list
[09:51] <Smegzor> I want to force a distribution upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04  What do I type in console?
[09:52] <NET||abuse> tanner, just a really interesting looking product, i hope it gets more traction, it's like apple tv, only not drm'd and evil
[09:52] <NET||abuse> i like the fact that they bundle a http,ftp and torrent client in the firmware :)
[09:53] <Raspberry> it'd be nice if MythTV had torrent capabilities
[09:53] <NET||abuse> you know the market they're trying to appeal to...
[09:53] <Raspberry> to share your shows and download others
[09:53] <Raspberry> if I had more time I'd write something like that :)
[09:53] <tanner> NET||abuse: certainly, i'd like to create an integrated solution similar to that, perhaps using one of those small, mini itx boards
[09:53] <NET||abuse> Raspberry, well have a look at the command line torrent clients and some addon app's for myth tv, i'm sure there's a gui page that can be inserted to myth
[09:53] <tanner> no MythTorrent Raspberry?
[09:55] <tanner> someone should build a PCI "encoder" card (for lack of better wording, basically hardware decoding of hi def media and such)
[09:55] <Raspberry> that's a pretty wrap app atm :)
[09:56] <Raspberry> hd isn't encoded
[09:56] <Raspberry> digital tv is raw
[09:56]  * tanner is thinking more along the lines of HDDVD/BluRay
[09:56] <Raspberry> it's the storage that makes it go crazy
[09:57] <tanner> basically i'm talking about a hardware video accelerator
[09:57] <Raspberry> ccooke: since you upgraded to 0.21... are your hd recordings choopy?
[09:57] <Raspberry> choppy
[09:59] <ccooke> Raspberry: No hd recordings :-)
[10:01] <Raspberry> I know it's with MythTV playback because I can play it back over the wire on another PC and it plays fine
[10:02]  * tanner wonders if there are more solutions like the popcorn thingy
[10:05] <rafael> aloha
[10:07] <rafael> i just upgraded to hardy from gutsy. now i get some strange gnome errors and also have no sound "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[10:08] <shemgp> where can i find the hardy-dvd-i386.iso.torrent file for hardy beta?
[10:09] <tanner> rafael: it is almost best to install hardy from scratch until all the bugs are worked out
[10:09] <tanner> shemgp: on the download page
[10:09] <rafael> tanner: but i want to stay with my system
[10:09] <tanner> shemgp: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/  bottom of the page
[10:10] <Raspberry>  tanner: there are other options i think
[10:10] <fromport> "hardy torrent ubuntu.com " in google and feel lucky
[10:10] <tanner> rafael: i understand, just saying that a clean install is less likely to have complications
[10:11] <shemgp> thanks but those are the CDs.. not DVDs
[10:11] <tanner> rafael: also, understand Hardy is still beta software, distro upgrade may produce more bugs than features :)
[10:12] <tanner> shemgp: ? what are you looking for then
[10:12] <shemgp> i found this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ but i don't think it's the beta..
[10:12] <shemgp> tanner: the hardy-dvd-i386.torrent which is for the Beta
[10:12] <tanner> shemgp: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ is the offical page relating the Hardy
[10:12] <tanner> as far as i know there is no dvd specific release...
[10:13] <tanner> what do you think the DVD is going to gain you?
[10:13] <rafael> tanner: i know but i thought this channel is not existing for just telling those phrases to me. i heard that often and i'm clear about the risk. but here i want to ask if someone had the same experience and maybe fixed it already in his system
[10:13] <tanner> nvm
[10:13] <tanner> shemgp: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hardy-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[10:13] <shemgp> tanner: i don't think that's for the beta
[10:13] <TheInfinity> rafael: syslog / alsa log / etc will help
[10:14] <shemgp> the files inside that iso are dated before the beta release.. Jan 8, 2008
[10:16] <shemgp> i'm trying to test whether it's more bandwidth efficient to download the beta DVD using bittorrent when i already had the alpha6 DVD
[10:17] <tanner> shemgp: hard to say
[10:17] <Lynoure> shemgp: not going to be more bandwidth efficient, unless you somehow manage to tell it what parts you have already...
[10:18] <Lynoure> I'm not a torrent expert, so maybe there is some way to say "I have these files, compare them against the torrent and get me what I'm missing", but sounds more like rsync to me :)
[10:18] <tanner> shemgp: i'm still not sure why you need the DVD specific release, is it for the extra packages or?
[10:19] <shemgp> tanner: yes
[10:20] <shemgp> internet is slow here
[10:20] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. i have some issues with ff 3 beta that is default in this ubuntu business :) Can't get foxmarks or firebug for it
[10:20] <shemgp> Lynoure: that's why i'm "testing" it :)
[10:21] <NET||abuse> i've signed up to the foxmarks beta, but even for now, i'd just like to import my foxmarks file into this current firefox instance?
[10:21] <warrendae> hello
[10:21] <tanner> shemgp: hard to really say what will save the you the most bandwidth. however i would imagine that getting the most recent CD iso, and adding packages as needed would be the most efficient
[10:22] <warrendae> i would like to know if in ubuntu we can compare the dev version of ubuntu (in this case hardy) to lenny in debian?
[10:22] <NET||abuse> warrendae, emm, that's rather a massively unspecific question?
[10:23] <warrendae> yeah maybe
[10:23] <warrendae> well lenny is quite stable, is it the case of hardy?
[10:23] <kmaxtor> what new in the new version of ubuntu
[10:23] <shemgp> tanner: yes, but i install it in different computers in different locations
[10:23] <jussi01> kmaxtor: go read the beta release notes in the topic
[10:24] <Lynoure> shemgp: what saves most bandwidth is getting the dvd, burning it, handing it to the person :)
[10:24] <kmaxtor> k im sorry
[10:24] <tanner> shemgp: then get the CD, and carry a flash drive with all the deb packages on it;
[10:24] <kmaxtor> any repositories to update my videocard
[10:25] <tanner> or better yet, get one larger flash drive, install the ubuntu cd to it, and also have the package son the same flash drive
[10:25] <shemgp> anyway, thanks guys.. i thought a developer was here that could fix the torrent file in the site to point to the beta DVD iso
[10:25] <kmaxtor> my video card is nvidia i can't enabled
[10:25] <shemgp> Lynoure: :)
[10:25] <kmaxtor> what i can do to enabled my video card in order to run my compiz
[10:26] <shemgp> tanner: or use aptoncd.. i think the DVDs easier
[10:26] <tanner> kmaxtor: "Envy" can be useful for installing the nvidia drivers
[10:27] <NET||abuse> ok, used firebug alpha, the 1.2 release
[10:27] <NET||abuse> problem is that won't autoupdate for me from mozilla repository no?
[10:27] <NET||abuse> well, that's not a huge issue
[10:28] <NET||abuse> ok,, fox marks,, anyone know how i can download a backup file from foxmarks site without having foxmarks installed?
[10:28] <tanner> know the url to the file?
[10:28] <tanner> ;)
[10:29] <tanner> brb
[10:30] <NET||abuse> there's a url to the foxmarks file for your account?? why is there no bloody link to downoad it from the my.foxmarks.com pag?
[10:32] <tanner_> damn, 3:30 already =(
[10:34] <shockhead> hi folks, anyone know if apt-get has been changed recently to NOT ask for confirmation on upgrades? mine didn't ask... :-(
[10:35] <DistroJockey> shockhead: was it a single package or an upgrade?
[10:35] <shockhead> DistroJockey: an upgrade
[10:35] <shockhead> with ~20 packages to do
[10:35] <DistroJockey> hmm
[10:35] <shockhead> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/733 if it helps
[10:36] <DistroJockey> shockhead: I think I have noticed it randomly decide to ask
[10:37] <shockhead> DistroJockey: hmmm... not good! :-)
[10:37] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not played with it for long yet though
[10:37] <DistroJockey> shockhead: no
[10:38] <shockhead> DistroJockey: what should I do, raise a bug?
[10:39] <KRF> shockhead, use aptitude instead ;)
[10:39] <KRF> its better anyway
[10:39] <DistroJockey> shockhead: I've mostly stuck to Synaptic, only really went to apt-get when it broke, and when I asked apt-get to install a single package with no dependecies, it just did it without asking
[10:40] <DistroJockey> apt-get install gnome-mud   as an example
[10:40] <shockhead> afaik apt-get doesn't ask for packages that are specified, but for dependencies and upgrades it should
[10:41]  * tanner_ seconds shockhead
[10:41] <shockhead> even if aptitude is better ;-) apt-get should still work
[10:43] <kmaxtor> any repositories to update my kubuntu 7 to beta 8
[10:43] <Infecto> hmm can some one tell my why i cant set 32bit on my sda?
[10:43] <Infecto> /dev/sda: IO_support    =  0 (default 16-bit)
[10:43] <Infecto> /dev/sda: setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument IO_support    =  0 (default 16-bit)
[10:44] <kmaxtor> alpha edition
[10:44] <kmaxtor> how to update into alpha editon
[10:44] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not sure what you mean by: "afaik apt-get doesn't ask for packages that are specified"
[10:45] <shockhead> DistroJockey: if you specify, for example, "apt-get install konqueror" and you dont need any dependencies, then it doesn't ask, since you specified it
[10:45] <shockhead> but if it does need dependencies, then it asks you to confirm the install
[10:45] <shockhead> same for upgrades, usually
[10:45] <jin> I have a problem. My system can't see sda1 and sda2 while gparted can
[10:45] <DistroJockey> shockhead: ahh, I see
[10:46] <tanner_> jin: what do you mean by your system cant see it
[10:46] <shockhead> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/181843
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181843 in apt "[hardy] apt-get doenst ask confirmation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:46] <shockhead> already in the bug database
[10:46] <DistroJockey> shockhead: but what if I typed it wrong and realised too late :) It should ask unless I do maybe a -y
[10:47] <jin> tanner_:  means no sda1 and sda2 in /dev but there is /dev/sda
[10:47] <shockhead> DistroJockey: yeah you have that option
[10:47] <DistroJockey> shockhead: ahh, *nods* :)
[10:47] <tanner_> jin: sounds like a partition issue, does the issue exist in gusty?
[10:47] <shockhead> DistroJockey: you could always do an alias in your .bashrc
[10:47] <jin> tanner_: in gutsy they worked fine
[10:48] <jin> tanner_: they are both ntfs partitions btw
[10:48] <tanner_> interesting
[10:49] <DistroJockey> shockhead: True, but as you said it is a listed bug
[10:49] <shockhead> you think it should *always* confirm?
[10:49] <shockhead> fair enough... better safe than sorry
[10:49] <DistroJockey> shockhead: for newbies sake I do, yes
[10:50] <DistroJockey> shockhead: for me, don't care either way :)
[10:50] <shockhead> i agree though, yeah, makes sense to achieve consistency
[10:50] <tanner_> perhpas the best solution should be a configuration flag in a conf file that determines if it always ask or not
[10:51] <DistroJockey> shockhead: but I also agree that having to confirm is very Windows esc
[10:51] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not that you said that, but...
[10:51] <shockhead> lol
[10:52] <tanner_> the general rule is software should NEVER *assume* what you want..
[10:52] <DistroJockey> default sould be confirm, turn it off if you work out how to :)
[10:52] <DistroJockey> should^
[10:52] <Ng> software assumes what you want all the time ;)
[10:52] <tanner_> indeed
[10:52] <DistroJockey> yep, bad software bad
[10:53]  * tanner_ rolls up news paper
[10:53]  * tanner_ should sleep before we wakes up at 2pm
[10:54] <DistroJockey> but it is good in a known stable predictable senario I guess
[10:54] <shockhead> i think for single package installs though it's not too much of a problem though... it's hard to misspell nautilus so that it reads konqueror!
[10:54] <tanner_> nah, software should never assume something, you should however be able to tell it to stop nagging you =)
[10:54] <shockhead> and if you get the name slightly wrong, it won't work anyway
[10:55] <shockhead> tanner_: true
[10:55] <Lynoure> tanner_: if it never assumed anything, you would not get any kind of UI layout or any keybindings ever
[10:55] <Lynoure> But I'm all for assumptions being easily changed.
[10:55] <shockhead> but you should always be able to change it, right?
[10:55] <DistroJockey> I agree, as per my apt-get install gnome-mud  installing without prompting, if could easily be removed, but when a package installs dependancies anlong with it, those dependancies can't be easily removed
[10:56] <tanner_> Lynoure: there is no assumptions about what keyboard layout you have *set*
[10:56] <jin> tanner_: the hd is ata drive and yet it appears as a sata because it is called sda istead oh hda :\
[10:56] <Lynoure> tanner_: I'd go nuts if I had to specify every layout and keybinding for every app...
[10:56] <tanner_> jin: thats not uncommon as i recall with newer kernel
[10:56] <gluer> if ive installed kde4 on ubuntu how do i select to use it?
[10:57] <tanner_> Lynoure: certainly, however, those keybindings are specifically defined, no assumptions are made
[10:57] <DistroJockey> gluer: At the login screen select Options or Session?
[10:58] <Lynoure> tanner_: not parsing that sentence... layout does not decide the bindings in apps, someone assumes what the average user with that layout will want...
[10:58] <gluer> cheers DJ
[10:58] <DistroJockey> gluer: np
[10:58] <tanner_> Lynoure: however thats not the same as assuming you wish to upgrade a certain package or not.
[10:59] <Lynoure> tanner_: No, I was reacting to your general statement, not a specific case
[10:59] <tanner_> besides, with UI layouts, you get what they decide to give you :-\
[11:00] <tanner_> anyway Lynoure, applications should never assume you want to do something, if that wording makes you feel better.
[11:01] <Lynoure> tanner_: neither of them affected how I felt :)
[11:01] <DistroJockey> tanner_: what if they know better? ;P
[11:02] <tanner_> DistroJockey: then you should unplug your machine ;)
[11:02] <tanner_> before it wont let you ;P
[11:02] <Lynoure> tanner_: But, yes, I find that more agreeable, but some assumptions are still beneficial. Maybe we need universal prompting levels =)
[11:03] <DistroJockey> tanner_: heh, some times they do know better
[11:03] <tanner_> Lynoure: indeed
[11:04] <DistroJockey> sky-net here we come!
[11:04] <tanner_> DistroJockey: of course, however, in such a case where you specify something and the program "knows better" and is sure you wanted something else, it should then prompt to you confirm/offer what it thinks you want to do as a suggestion
[11:04] <DistroJockey> tanner_: agreed
[11:04] <DistroJockey> tanner_: but that's what Vista did
[11:05] <tanner_> now of course, saying something like, apt-get install kde should only install the kde package (and not any dependencies), this is true in a general sense, however as a convince it should install them
[11:05] <DistroJockey> very hard to balance
[11:06] <tanner_> yes indeed
[11:06] <tanner_> it obviously cannot be black and white
[11:06] <DistroJockey> nope
[11:07] <DistroJockey> Linux is way better at it though :)
[11:07] <DistroJockey> balancing that is :)
[11:07] <tanner_> hmm, depends how you look at it i suppose
[11:09] <DistroJockey> the linux community is much better/faster at reacting, which is what is needed to balance IMO :)
[11:09] <tanner_> reacting to what?
[11:09] <DistroJockey> everything
[11:09] <tanner_> well i wouldnt go that far..
[11:10] <tanner_> the community would love for VV support in pidgin, but i have yet to see that actually implemented (in the main branch) ;)
[11:10] <tanner_> i agree in the sense of security patches and vulnerabilities and such
[11:10] <DistroJockey> I don't even know what that is, hehe
[11:11] <tanner_> however, 802.11n support in linux is vastly inferior to that of Windows atm
[11:11] <DistroJockey> agreed
[11:11] <tanner_> VV is voice and video (webcam, calls, etc)
[11:11] <DistroJockey> ahh
[11:12] <tanner_> i mean.. i have a webcam thats just burning a hole through the floor... oh well, no half naked girls for me :(
[11:13] <tanner_> features tend to be more slowly adopted in linux than Windows, depending on what sort of feature it is of course..
[11:14] <DistroJockey> I think that is changing for the better
[11:14] <DistroJockey> With the release of Hardy soon, Linux is going to be very popular
[11:15] <DistroJockey> and the developers are growing all the time
[11:15] <Amaranth> tanner_: that's stubbornness from the pidgin side, from what i can tell
[11:15] <tanner_> there is no widely adopted perfect solution though, so its a trade off at times. for example, my wonderful Canon 600F scanner will likely never work in linux (boycott canon!), even though i knew this buying the device
[11:15] <Amaranth> they are their own little world, not involved with GNOME or Ubuntu or anything else
[11:15] <tanner_> Amaranth: entirely, the code has been around since 2005 with gaim-vv
[11:16] <Amaranth> telepathy seems to be the obvious path to getting support for this
[11:16] <tanner_> DistroJockey: why do you think it will change with Hardy?
[11:16] <DistroJockey> HP are definately the more supported supplier
[11:16] <Amaranth> and hey, it even supports voice for gtalk and i think yahoo
[11:16] <Amaranth> and video for one of them but that's experimental
[11:16] <tanner_> DistroJockey: tell that to my unsuported HP scanner ;) granted now its 4+ years old.. but still...
[11:17] <Amaranth> all printer manufacturers suck :P
[11:17] <DistroJockey> tanner_: I think Hardy is the most polished of the distro's to date (even the beta) and it works very well
[11:17] <Amaranth> brother claims to have open source drivers but it's an open source bit on top of a closed source x86-only bit
[11:17] <tanner_> Amaranth: i disagree, Xerox is highly unix/linux friendly, and my samsung driver cd included all the files required for cups, even an installer. i was very impressed
[11:17] <Amaranth> a _small_ open source bit on top of a _large_ closed source x86-only bit
[11:18] <Amaranth> tanner_: I don't want drivers, I want specs or code
[11:18] <DistroJockey> tanner_: and lots of people have no money now thanks to petrol prices and interest rates
[11:18] <tanner_> Amaranth: ppd and a script which is text readable. nothing more is needed. the specs would be nice for reference but not relevant to linux/unix users
[11:18] <Amaranth> tanner_: with specs or code we can keep it running forever (or at least until no one cares enough to watch over it anymore)
[11:18] <tanner_> specs would be great for say.. me, when it comes time to write custom drives from my custom os :D
[11:19] <Amaranth> tanner_: ah, right, xerox makes real printers that you just feed postscript to
[11:19] <Amaranth> for brother it's a ppd file that uses an lpr driver to communicate with the printer
[11:19] <jin> omg, I have 5 broken package
[11:20] <tanner_> my Samsung CLP-610ND has a ppd and a filter script. and all is well, full color/duplex support =)
[11:20] <Amaranth> jin: welcome to hardy, upgrade again
[11:20] <DistroJockey> If only I could get my Compro T750 DVB to work with Linux.
[11:20] <jin> and it is a fresh install
[11:20] <Amaranth> expect more little blips up until the RC release
[11:20] <tanner_> DistroJockey: most people do not switch to linux as a result of finances
[11:21] <Amaranth> DistroJockey: they can just get windows for free from their nephew
[11:21] <DistroJockey> lol
[11:21] <tanner_> (except typically in SOHO cases)
[11:21] <jin> this beta release is a bit disappointing :(
[11:21] <DistroJockey> tanner_: why do they switch?
[11:21] <DistroJockey> jin: How so?
[11:22] <DistroJockey> ohh
[11:22] <DistroJockey> the broken packages
[11:22] <tanner_> DistroJockey: you'd have to ask them, i imagine some people just get tired of the Windows games (not the actual games mind you)
[11:22] <jin> DistroJockey: when updating system, I get sound drops
[11:22] <DistroJockey> just wait half a day and try again
[11:22] <jin> and yea, broken package after a fresh istall
[11:22] <tanner_> perhaps some are just into trying new things, curiosity, etc
[11:23] <Amaranth> jin: this is still in development, expect more little blips up until the RC release
[11:23] <tanner_> jin, sometimes "broken" packages can be fixed with a "-f" flag to apt-get :)
[11:23] <jin> and it can't detect my two ntfs partitions
[11:23] <DistroJockey> tanner_: Games are all I need Windows for now unfortunately
[11:23] <Amaranth> although the sound thing is tricky, it won't be properly fixed until the next major release of pulseaudio
[11:23] <tanner_> DistroJockey: thats what my console is for =)
[11:23] <DistroJockey> tanner_: heh, don't have one of those ;p
[11:23] <Amaranth> Wii ftw
[11:23] <jin> Amaranth: I definitly will disable pulseaudio when Hardy is released
[11:24] <DistroJockey> tanner_: then again I mostly MUD
[11:24] <tanner_> i enjoy my wii, i however, enjoy my xbox360 a great deal more
[11:24] <Amaranth> oh, and portal but that plays in wine
[11:24] <DistroJockey> tanner_: so I'll live
[11:24] <tanner_> portal on xbox ;) awesome, awesome game
[11:24] <tanner_> DistroJockey: no luck with wine?
[11:25] <DistroJockey> Portal is the MUD client I use on Windows :)
[11:25] <DistroJockey> tanner_: never really tried
[11:25] <jin> I wonder why Ubuntu has included pulseaudio in this (LTS ?) release.
[11:25] <Amaranth> portal on xbox would...suck
[11:25] <jin> pulseaudio is far form stable
[11:25] <Amaranth> do you get the commentary?
[11:25] <jin> from*
[11:26] <Amaranth> jin: pulseaudio is very useful
[11:26] <tanner_> we are speaking of Portal from The Orange Box yes?
[11:26] <Amaranth> tanner_: yes
[11:26] <jin> Amaranth: useful but not ready
[11:26] <tanner_> Amaranth: not sure what you mean by commentary..
[11:26] <Amaranth> tanner_: the PC version has developer commentary after you beat the game
[11:26] <tanner_> jin: even with time it will improve
[11:27] <Amaranth> tanner_: you can go back through the levels and there are little icons you activate and they explain stuff
[11:27] <tanner_> jin: dont forget, improvements can always be added later to the same LTS release
[11:27] <jin> tanner_: yea I'm sure it will but it should not be included in a LTS release
[11:27] <Amaranth> they certainly won't put the next major release of pulseaudio in an LTS update
[11:28] <jin> tanner_: but if ppl read that Hardy is a LTS release, they expect quality , stability
[11:28] <tanner_> i dont see why they shouldnt include it, by doing so, they can test, debug, improve much quicker
[11:28] <J-_> hey Amaranth =)
[11:28] <Amaranth> tanner_: because stable means "doesn't change"
[11:28] <Amaranth> it doesn't mean "works perfectly"
[11:28] <tanner_> jin, with no disrespect to ubuntu, if you really want something stable, Ubuntu should not be your distro of choice
[11:28] <jin> you can't test a software in a LTS release
[11:29] <Amaranth> jin: we've flipped the pulseaudio switch before
[11:29] <Amaranth> backed out because it wasn't ready
[11:29] <jin> and it still isn't
[11:29] <tanner_> Amaranth: there will always be updates, its not as if once 8.04 hits there will be no upgrades/patches/etc till 8.10
[11:29] <Amaranth> but now fedora is using it (probably because redhat employs the developer)
[11:29] <Amaranth> tanner_: critical bugs and security updates
[11:30] <Amaranth> tanner_: no new versions of stuff
[11:30] <jin> yea, but the user expects everything to work fine out of the box :\
[11:30] <Amaranth> least intrusive changes necessary to fix data loss and security bugs
[11:30] <DistroJockey> but if they include it by default, and the next major release is better, why not?
[11:31] <jin> or Ubuntu can include an option not to use pulseaudio..
[11:31] <jin> and a guide how to disable it
[11:31] <tanner_> even if pulse audio has bugs now, they will be patched and included in the LTS eventually. ;/
[11:31] <Amaranth> The only time an older release has every gotten a major new version of an app was when firefox had a big security problem that was really hard to backport
[11:31] <Amaranth> tanner_: not likely
[11:31] <Amaranth> tanner_: the big problem now is fixed by increasing the buffer size
[11:31] <Amaranth> then it works fine for desktop audio but recording and such get broken
[11:32] <jin> tanner_: erm, Hardy will be released in April, not much time left to patch and test
[11:32] <Amaranth> and it'll stay broken for the entire time hardy exists
[11:32] <tanner_> perhaps so.
[11:32] <jin> and I also wonder if Firefox 3 will make it in time for Hardy :\
[11:32] <Amaranth> because the fix requires a change in the alsa API (although that might already be in the hardy kernel) and a major change to the core of the pulseaudio engine
[11:32] <Amaranth> jin: that will be updated later
[11:33] <Amaranth> I love rules that change/bend for random reasons
[11:33] <tanner_> heh
[11:33] <nacer> hi
[11:33] <tanner_> hello
[11:34] <Amaranth> although we're nearly to the point where all firefox 3 releases will be bug fixing, no new features or major changes
[11:34] <nacer> someone have a tips for restaure the default gnome ubuntu theme ?
[11:34] <Amaranth> so i guess it makes sense since we don't want to have a beta for 3 years
[11:34] <Amaranth> nacer: choose the Human theme in the theme picker
[11:34] <tanner_> Konqueror ftw!
[11:34] <tanner_> ;)
[11:34]  * tanner_ hides
[11:34] <Amaranth> konq blows :P
[11:35] <Amaranth> it'll be decent when they finally switch to webkit
[11:35] <nacer> Amaranth, a think its not the official theme
[11:35] <nacer> i am from a upgrade off gusty to hardy
[11:35] <Amaranth> nacer: the theme only changed a little bit
[11:35] <nacer> so i think i have the old one
[11:35] <Amaranth> different wallpaper, small tweaks to the widgets
[11:35] <tanner_> konquerors biggest downfail is the UI, which would benefit from taking cue's from firefox, however konq has always rendered faster with less memory whoring
[11:36] <nacer> ok
[11:36] <nacer> tks
[11:36] <Amaranth> tanner_: have you used firefox 3?
[11:36] <zoli2k> Anyone noticed, that after 2x"CTRL-ALT-D"  sometimes some of the windows simply disappears from desktop if compiz is enabled? After "metacity --replace" the windows are back.
[11:36] <tanner_> Amaranth: i am now, its a nice improvement for sure =)
[11:36] <Amaranth> faster than safari (which is faster than konq)
[11:36] <Lynoure> Which is based on khtml... nice circle
[11:37] <tanner_> indeed
[11:37] <Amaranth> but khtml doesn't do as much and is slower :P
[11:38] <DistroJockey> zoli2k: maybe this is a GART issue?
[11:38] <tanner_> hmm
[11:38] <Amaranth> zoli2k: this sounds like a gutsy issue
[11:39] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to get my usb ports working here, http://www.pastebin.org/25237 that's my dmesg output, the only place where any messages are appearing , ther's nothing seemingly relevant in /var/log/messages||syslog||dmesg||dmesg.0   so i'm not sure what i should do at this point,
[11:39] <Amaranth> you're using the showdesktop plugin so it looks like OS X and windows sometimes disappear, right?
[11:39] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: was thinking that too :)
[11:39] <NET||abuse> that log is from plugging in various usb devices, i've confirmed that one is definately working
[11:39] <Amaranth> that was a problem in gutsy but i've been using the showdesktop plugin since i closed that bug report and haven't been able to reproduce once
[11:40] <Amaranth> and iirc upstream says they fixed it
[11:40] <NET||abuse> the other is a 2.5" that's giving trouble (it corrupted my gutsy install) i'm trying a usb sata/ide adaptor cable to try and recover data from that drive
[11:40] <zoli2k> Amaranth: I had the same problem on Gutsy, but I am experiencing the same problem on Hardy.
[11:40] <tanner_> NET||abuse: if the issue is not present in gusty and you can confirm that, it is likely the driver, else its the hub
[11:40] <Amaranth> zoli2k: then i guess it's a good thing we don't have showdesktop by default :)