[15:29] <Geochr> Happy new year everybody...
[15:36] <belkinsa> Thank you.
[15:36] <belkinsa> Happy New Year to you too, Geochr.
[20:01] <BobJonkman> Happy New Year, locoteams!
[20:37] <belkinsa> Thanks BobJonkman.
[20:47] <belkinsa> BobJonkman: ping
[20:48] <BobJonkman> belkinsa: pong!
[20:49] <belkinsa> I took some interest in your LoCo's plans for video meetings.  I would suggest that instead of tinychat, you could try chatb.org since it doesn't require accounts or anything but update browsers.
[20:50] <belkinsa> chatb.org runs on  webrtc.
[20:50] <BobJonkman> WebRTC looks to be full of promise
[20:51] <BobJonkman> I wonder if it interoperates with the WebRTC in Jitsi.
[20:51] <BobJonkman> Jitsi has a quite an impressive demo on YouTube
[20:51] <belkinsa> I have Jitsi on my computer, I should try connecting chatb.org
[20:52] <BobJonkman> I just looked at chatb.org at the URL you put on Discourse; didn't work for me
[20:53] <belkinsa> The http://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca ?
[20:53] <BobJonkman> (but I was using a locked down browser -- allowed Javascript, but has all kinds of other blocks for referer, ID string, &c.)
[20:53] <belkinsa> Ah.  I have my own issues.
[20:54] <belkinsa> I use my tablet and Firefox that is on it for chatb.org.
[20:54] <BobJonkman> Seems I have a connection with Chromium.  Come join me...
[20:55] <belkinsa> Give me a sec
[20:56] <belkinsa> There
[20:58] <omnidan> wait, does chatb.org allow multiple people to talk to each other?
[20:58] <omnidan> like, more than two
[20:58] <belkinsa> I think so.
[20:58] <omnidan> and it works fully peer-to-peer?
[20:59] <omnidan> well, a small server to maintain the IDs
[20:59] <omnidan> but the audio/video stream
[20:59] <belkinsa> Maybe you should come and check?
[21:00] <omnidan> I can't atm, but can somebody link me to the source?
[21:00] <omnidan> I mean like
[21:00] <omnidan> git repo or so
[21:01] <belkinsa> You don't need it, just a browser will do and this link: http://chatb.org/#ubuntu-ca
[21:01] <omnidan> *sigh*
[21:01] <belkinsa> Is there a problem?
[21:01] <omnidan> you do realize that javascript can be uglified
[21:01] <omnidan> which means the actual source is not visible
[21:02] <omnidan> comments and everything is stripped
[21:02] <belkinsa> Oh
[21:02] <omnidan> hmm
[21:02] <omnidan> "wsHost": "wss://chatb.org:2680",
[21:03] <omnidan> https://chatb.org/js/index.js isn't uglified :P
[21:03] <omnidan> ok then
[21:03] <belkinsa> BobJonkman, let me restart my tablet
[21:03] <BobJonkman> OK
[21:04] <omnidan> doesn't seem to be p2p
[21:04] <belkinsa> Huh.
[21:04] <omnidan> it uses a server for streaming
[21:04] <omnidan> *central server
[21:05] <omnidan> I want something like this but with http://peerjs.com/
[21:06] <belkinsa> We have three now.
[21:06] <belkinsa> But I see no video
[21:07] <belkinsa> I just have mic on
[21:09] <belkinsa> Bah, I blame Internet connection on this...
[21:10] <belkinsa> Maybe just use mic?
[21:11] <belkinsa> Well, um, that was a try
[21:12] <BobJonkman> I have two sessions running now, but no video from one to the other. So, most likely not P2P, but all connecting to a central server
[21:12] <belkinsa> Could be.
[21:52] <belkinsa> omnidan, you can do chatb.org with more than two.
[21:56] <omnidan> belkinsa: yeah, but it's not p2p
[21:56] <belkinsa> What difference does it make?
[22:11] <omnidan> uh
[22:11] <omnidan> less load on the server
[22:11] <omnidan> no central server required
[22:11] <omnidan> streams between peers, server can't sniff
[22:14] <belkinsa> Oh.  I see.
[22:15] <omnidan> belkinsa: I was working on adding hub/leaf support to peerjs so I can create something like that for hackathons, but p2p
[22:15] <omnidan> oh also p2p means less traffic when in a local network
[22:16] <omnidan> *less traffic to the global internet*
[22:16] <omnidan> and that'd be useful at hackathons
[22:18] <belkinsa> I see.


[04:57] <corigo> hello, I've downloaded the 64bit bin file from Sun, now how do I install?
[08:02] <dholbach> hi guys
[08:03] <dholbach> So who of you is going to hold a session at Ubuntu Developer Week?
[08:03] <dholbach> There's a lot of interest in "How to package a Java Library" and "How to package a Java Application"
[16:05] <malick> hello all how can I create a svn branch don't know what this exactly is but I've got this advice about a file that I need to keep track of
[16:05] <malick> a skos file
[16:13] <persia> malick: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ , but this is really a Java packaging channel, and we don't tend to use SVN so much in Ubuntu (although we could)
[16:14] <malick> thanx persia
[16:14] <malick> I'm on ubuntu
[16:22] <malick> svn checkout http://metware.svn.sourceforge.net fails
[16:58] <Juli_> persia: Hello, do you have any update on netbeans packages?
[22:51] <cyberix> Is there a browser plugin for openjdk?
[23:30] <cyberix> Actually
[23:30] <cyberix> I cannot install openjdk at all
[23:30] <cyberix>   openjdk-6-jre: Depends: openjdk-6-jre-headless (= 6b09-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[23:30] <cyberix> E: Broken packages


[19:38] <ShawnR> Anyone know how to annotate on a pdf that is a scanned image?
[20:19] <itnet7> ShawnR: you can use xournal if you haven't already found a good application for it
[21:46] <ShawnR> itnet7: thanks, i'll take a look (it didn't come up on any searches for pdf editor or pdf annotate)
[21:47] <ShawnR> it is a stupid 15 page form for the dr's office... it's a pdf created by xerox (so, their copy machine) so it's just an image (no OCR)... and my handwriting is terrible
[21:47] <ShawnR> I'm trying to do the dr's office a service by typing it out :P
[22:09] <ShawnR> itnet7: that app is working like a champ! I appreciate it.  who needs the ubuntu software center when we got the IRC channel :)


[04:39] <SuperLag> Has it been officially decided if Ubuntu is going to a rolling release model, or not? or is it still up in the air?
[08:34] <IamTrying> When i use $ speaker-test  HDMI screen is working with audio, i can hear the sound. but when gst-launch-0.10 -v autoaudiosrc wave=7 ! alsasink device=default or pulsesink  is used nosound why?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[16:29] <SuperLag> No comment on my rolling release question? :/
[16:30] <SuperLag> If $APP crashes, I'm a good beta user and submit bug reports. That said, is there a way to get the authentication part of bug submissing to "stick" so I don't have to keep entering my password at every step of the process?
[19:30] <Daekdroom> update-manager finally didn't crash for me when I attempt to go 13.10.
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> Daekdroom, update manager should not be showing you an upgrade to a development.
[19:34] <genii> Yay?
[19:35] <genii> wilee-nilee: If I recall, there's a bug about that somewhere
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> must be
[19:36] <Daekdroom> wilee-nilee, not even if I use '-d'?
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> Daekdroom, Thats not the update manager
[19:37] <Daekdroom> The command I used definitely says 'update-manager -d', though
[19:37] <Daekdroom> How am I supposed to know that became an alias?
[19:38] <Daekdroom> (or was deprecated or whatever)
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> Daekdroom, That works, I never start it from the cli, I never use it really.
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> nor upgrade either
[22:13] <rohan> any idea what kubuntu 13.10 is going to use as the powerdevil backend? pm-utils has been unmaintained for a while now.


[00:04] <Noldorin> hey jelmer
[00:05] <jelmer> hi Noldorin
[00:06] <Noldorin> jelmer, got a little question on dulwich if you don't mind
[00:06] <jelmer> Noldorin: sure
[00:06] <jelmer> (note that there's also #dulwich)
[00:06] <Noldorin> oh
[00:18] <jelmer> Noldorin: what are you hacking on?
[00:18] <Noldorin> jelmer, hg-git
[00:19] <jelmer> ah
[03:44] <zodiak> hey everyone, stupid question, but I can't seem to find the answer :( I have a branch that I bzr pull'd down, but now I want to cherry pick changes. I am on bzr revision 14, but I want to pull down 15 and 17 only (skipping 16) .. how do I do this "nicely" ?
[03:45] <zodiak> and yes, each changeset is unique and self contained :)
[03:48] <zodiak> aahhh.. bzr merge -r takes a number of revisions .. hopefully that's the ticket :)
[07:19] <soldiertn> Hi


[01:20] <TheMuso> AlanBell: No thats done in ubiquity.
[01:23] <TheMuso> AlanBell: the responsible code is in the ubiquity bzr repo, in ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py.
[08:27] <cjwatson> AlanBell: ok, do you know of any prior art for that, i.e. some other application that behaves that way?
[08:30] <AlanBell> reading the page names of the wizard? I am fairly sure it is a regression
[09:39] <cjwatson> AlanBell: um, ok, but I have no idea where; it would be helpful to be able to look at some other current application that reads the page names in a GtkNotebook when changing page so that I can see how it's doing it
[17:20] <Dave_H> This is a test of the ubuntu-12.04 pidgin-casting system.  lol
[21:55] <Dave_H> Hello, people, how are we today?  :)
[23:28] <joanie> TheMuso: ping
[23:28] <joanie> Well, I'll type and you can read later. :)
[23:28] <joanie> As I just commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/944161
[23:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 944161 in unity-greeter "orca does not read user names" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:29] <joanie> Orca ain't getting the events
[23:29] <joanie> I don't know why
[23:29] <joanie> I took a couple of lame guesses
[23:29] <joanie> but I do not see how I can fix this in Orca


[17:59] <normalton> 7pm is not good for me tonight and I'm new here. What do you expect I'll be missing?
[20:12] <mikeputnam> fri nights are informal chit-chat (if any)    ;)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> normalton: yeah it's pretty informal, it's pretty much, "ooh look at this shiny new thing I found"
[21:25] <tsimonq2> normalton: but if you have something you want to say, say it now and we can discuss it when the time comes
[21:26] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: will you be here? :P
[21:26] <tsimonq2> ohhhhhhhhh no...I can't :P
[21:26] <tsimonq2> we have hair appointments for my brother and dad at 6:20 then dinner
[21:26] <tsimonq2> well good luck :D


[05:12] <shifter> anyone about ?
[01:13] <rodarvus> infinity, ping
[01:29] <infinity> rodarvus: Hrm?
[01:30] <rodarvus> infinity, I'm plannning to update the fglrx driver on linux-restricted-modules, but couldn't find any public download of the .tar.gz tree we use to package this driver
[01:30] <rodarvus> and I've seen you were the last person to update it
[01:30] <infinity> rodarvus: I'll do it on Monday.  I run fglrx on my laptop, so it's a bit of a priority for me.
[01:30] <rodarvus> so, I was wondering if you know the procedure to update this driver, if via another ftp/www site, or if we just repack the default installer
[01:31] <rodarvus> *nods*, ok
[01:31] <infinity> rodarvus: It's also moderately tricky what we do to mangle it, and only Ben and I are privvy to that currently.
[01:31] <rodarvus> :)
[01:31] <infinity> (It includes a pretty sketchy license violation that we have tacit permission to make, but not public agreement)
[01:31] <infinity> So, yeah.  Best to leave it to me for now.
[01:32] <rodarvus> ok, thanks!
[01:32] <rodarvus> infinity, also, it would be nice to at least update Depends: to xorg-server (>= 1:1.1.1)
[01:32] <rodarvus> (if I read correctly, version 8.27 of the driver is for X.Org 7.1 only)
[01:33] <infinity> Well, their module SHOULD support 6.9, 7.0, and 7.1
[01:33] <infinity> You read incorrectly, I think.  But I'll test that theory when I build it.
[01:33] <rodarvus> and how does it deals with xorg-server ABI - it just ignores whatever ABI the server provides?
[01:33] <rodarvus> (just curious)
[01:34] <infinity> Both the nvidia and fglrx modules adjust to the ABI (well, the ones they know about) on the fly, IIRC.
[01:34] <infinity> It's all rather scary.
[01:34] <rodarvus> haha :)


[00:00] <isiah> actualyl scratch that. Are you using xchat?
[00:00] <Jpaez> no i'm not i'm currently using a computer that i cannot download anything onto
[00:00] <isiah> Jpaez: is this text in a different color?
[00:01] <Jpaez> no
[00:01] <Jpaez> the name in <> is though
[00:01] <isiah> dang, ok. when I write "Jpaez:" followed by something I want you to type it in the terminal
[00:01] <Jpaez> okay
[00:01] <isiah> Jpaez:cd
[00:02] <isiah> Jpaez:cd Desktop
[00:02] <isiah> Jpaez:pwd
[00:02] <isiah> please copy and and paste what you see
[00:02] <isiah> so I can see it
[00:03] <Jpaez> when i did that it now says "~/Desktop$"
[00:03] <isiah> very good
[00:03] <isiah> Jpaez:ls
[00:04] <isiah> please tell me if you can see the name of your file
[00:04] <Jpaez> yes
[00:04] <Jpaez> in red it says
[00:04] <isiah> excellent
[00:04] <isiah> now, do you know what tar means?
[00:04] <Jpaez> "cricket _mode_switch.tar.gz"
[00:04] <Jpaez> yes it's a compressed file
[00:04] <isiah> good
[00:05] <isiah> now, in unix we dont have some old program like winzip that uncompresses it for you. instead we use the tar tool
[00:05] <Jpaez> yes i understand that
[00:05] <isiah> i am looking at your guide, do you know why you write xzvf?
[00:06] <Jpaez> no i do not
[00:06] <isiah> ok, 99% of all unix tools follow a basic format
[00:07] <isiah> tool_name tool_options files_to_be_changed
[00:07] <isiah> so tar is the tool name, xvcf is the options, and that long cricket file is the file to be changed
[00:07] <Jpaez> i follow so far
[00:08] <isiah> tool options are often called flags
[00:08] <isiah> the same tool can do many actions, just like in windows excel can do a million things
[00:08] <isiah> ok so the first thing we have to do is uncompress the file
[00:09] <isiah> Jpaez: tar xzvf Cricket_Mode_Switch.tar.gz
[00:09] <isiah> you should see a lot of activity going on, if you see anything that says error let me know
[00:10] <Jpaez> okay....
[00:10] <isiah> is it done?
[00:10] <Jpaez> no i typoed -_-
[00:11] <isiah> if you push the up arrow button on your keyboard it will display the last command. this is useful for typos
[00:11] <Jpaez> i fixed it
[00:11] <isiah> did it finish?
[00:12] <Jpaez> yes i'll type out the text give me 2 mins
[00:12] <Unit193> (x extract, z gz type file, v verbose, f file to work on)
[00:12] <isiah> Unit193: admit it you looked that up, no one memorizes that ;)
[00:12] <Unit193> isiah: That sounds better.
[00:13] <isiah> you a perl hacker by any chance?
[00:13] <isiah> got an odd one
[00:13] <Jpaez> lol i honestly have a book on that, and i understand it till i put it into practice then go "wtf did i do"
[00:13] <isiah> on what?
[00:13] <Jpaez> ubuntu -_-
[00:13] <isiah> oh ok
[00:13] <Jpaez> ... particularly paranoid person
[00:13] <Unit193> I personally like J better than z.  I have done some perl regex, but I don't officially know any programming language.
[00:13] <isiah> could we continue? I live in ny and have a train to catch
[00:14] <Jpaez> took me 2-3 months of planning till i got this going and yes
[00:14] <isiah> ok did it finish uncompressing?
[00:14] <Jpaez> yes
[00:14] <Jpaez> shows all the files that it showed when i tried this before
[00:14] <Jpaez> this is where i got stuck
[00:15] <isiah> ok now when I type tab from now on I want you to push the tab key not type tab in. Got it?
[00:15] <Jpaez> 1 sec fucked up -_-
[00:16] <isiah> it should be located above the capslock key
[00:16] <isiah> what happened?
[00:16] <Jpaez> tried to type yes here did it on my desktop keyboard -_-
[00:16] <isiah> dont worry, just hit enter
[00:17] <isiah> ready to continue?
[00:17] <Jpaez> it started a process and kept typing "y" continuously
[00:17] <isiah> close the terminal and open another one
[00:17] <isiah> its not a big deal
[00:17] <Jpaez> yes did that
[00:17] <Jpaez> back to desktop$
[00:18] <Unit193> Ctrl+c if you do it again.
[00:18] <isiah> ok do you have a terminal?
[00:18] <Jpaez> yes
[00:19] <isiah> Jpaez: cd ~/Desktop
[00:19] <isiah> Jpaez: ls
[00:19] <isiah> do you see two entries?
[00:19] <Jpaez> no "no such file or directory"
[00:19] <isiah> sigh
[00:20] <isiah> Jpaez: cd
[00:20] <isiah> Jpaez: cd De tab
[00:20] <isiah> remember what i said that tab means push the tab button
[00:20] <isiah> after you do that hit enter
[00:21] <Jpaez> pushing tab nothing happens
[00:21] <Jpaez> okay.....
[00:21] <Jpaez> it now said
[00:21] <Jpaez> cd-create-profile cd-fix-profile
[00:21] <Jpaez> then after it said cd record
[00:22] <isiah> ok, we will try again
[00:22] <isiah> Jpaez: cd
[00:22] <isiah> Jpaez: ls
[00:22] <isiah> do you see the word "Desktop"?
[00:22] <Jpaez> yes i do
[00:22] <isiah> Jpaez: cd Desktop
[00:23] <Jpaez> keeps saying
[00:23] <isiah> Jpaez: ls
[00:23] <Jpaez> for both of thos
[00:23] <Jpaez> no such file or directory
[00:23] <isiah> Jpaez: pwd
[00:23] <isiah> what does it say?
[00:23] <Jpaez> no such file or directory
[00:24] <isiah> ....
[00:24] <Unit193> cd ~/Desktop
[00:24] <isiah> ok, you are in the Desktop then
[00:24] <isiah> Jpaez: ls
[00:24] <isiah> does it show two files?
[00:25] <Jpaez> okay it shows in red "Cricket_Mode_Switch.tar.gz and in blue "usb_modeswitch-0.9.7
[00:25] <isiah> good
[00:26] <isiah> now, when you hit tab the computer is going to try to finish your command for you
[00:26] <isiah> Jpaez:  cd us tab
[00:26] <isiah> so type in "cd us"
[00:26] <isiah> then hit the tab button
[00:26] <Jpaez> yes i did that
[00:26] <isiah> it should fill in the file name for you
[00:26] <isiah> did it fill it in for you?
[00:27] <Jpaez> now shows...."~/Desktop$ cd usb_modeswitch -0.9.7
[00:27] <isiah> push enter
[00:27] <Jpaez> now shows...."~/Desktop$ cd usb_modeswitch -0.9.7/"
[00:27] <Jpaez> okay
[00:27] <Jpaez> now at ~/Desktop/usb_modeswitch-0.9.7$
[00:27] <isiah> yeah
[00:28] <isiah> Jpaez:  su
[00:28] <isiah> and type in your root password
[00:28] <Jpaez> .... i don't believe i have one
[00:28] <Jpaez> would it be the password for my current computer ?
[00:28] <Jpaez> profile*
[00:28] <isiah> I can assure you as a linux engineer, you do
[00:29] <isiah> try it
[00:29] <Jpaez> okay it's in
[00:29] <isiah> did you hit enter?
[00:29] <Jpaez> okay....
[00:30] <isiah> do you see the word "root" on your screen now?
[00:30] <Jpaez> no
[00:30] <Jpaez> bash !@5:event not found
[00:30] <isiah> did it tell you that the password was wrong?
[00:30] <Jpaez> bash !@5:event not found is what it put it now is at the same thing it was at before
[00:31] <isiah> ....
[00:31] <isiah> let's try this again
[00:31] <isiah> Jpaez: sudo make install
[00:31] <Jpaez> okay
[00:32] <isiah> type in your password
[00:32] <Jpaez> hit enter right?
[00:32] <isiah> yes
[00:32] <Jpaez> same thing event not found
[00:33] <isiah> *bangs head on lab bench
[00:35] <Unit193> You have build-essential and libusb-dev?
[00:36] <isiah> how can he not be able to sudo?
[00:36] <isiah> its so basic, no way that should be broken
[00:36] <Jpaez> okay it's asking me for my password and when i type it in it doesn't show anything happening
[00:36] <Unit193> You had him su, no?
[00:36] <isiah> really you dont see "root" anywhere?
[00:36] <isiah> yeah
[00:36] <isiah> Jpaez:whoami
[00:36] <Jpaez> okay i typed anyway and it worked this time
[00:36] <isiah> pleae tell me what it says
[00:37] <Jpaez> right now it showed
[00:37] <isiah> you see root on your screen?
[00:38] <Jpaez> "mkdir -p /usr/sbin" install ./usb_modeswitch /usr/sbin" 'mkdir -p /etc" "install ./usb_modeswitch.con /etc"
[00:38] <Jpaez> "mkdir -p /usr/sbin" install ./usb_modeswitch /usr/sbin" 'mkdir -p /etc" "install ./usb_modeswitch.conf /etc"
[00:38] <isiah> alrighty
[00:39] <isiah> we can try it again
[00:39] <isiah> Jpaez:whoami
[00:39] <isiah> it shouldnt be saying a lot
[00:39] <Jpaez> no it just says my profile name
[00:39] <isiah> when I type that in on my computer it says "isiah"
[00:39] <isiah> good
[00:39] <isiah> Jpaez:su-
[00:40] <isiah> that is with a minus sign
[00:40] <Jpaez> okay
[00:40] <isiah> type in your password and hit enter
[00:40] <isiah> and then
[00:40] <isiah> Jpaez:whoami
[00:40] <Jpaez> fuck...
[00:40] <Jpaez> it's my password
[00:41] <Jpaez> it's numbers, symbols and letters whenever i use the symbols it messes up
[00:41] <isiah> *points gun at his own head
[00:41] <Unit193> Though, please try to keep this channel family friendly.
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> swearing and suicidal comments wonderful.
[00:42] <isiah> okay dokay, I am going to need you to logout and login as root
[00:42] <Jpaez> how do i go about that ?
[00:42] <isiah> okay, okay less melodrama from me
[00:42] <Unit193> !info usb-modeswitch-data
[00:43] <Unit193> Which may actually be installed already.
[00:43] <isiah> in the top right corner of your screen you should see your name, click it, then click "quit" then you will be returned to a login screen you start with at this point slecte root and type in your password
[00:44] <isiah> and actuatlly, its time for me to catch the train home
[00:44] <isiah> good night all
[00:45] <Jpaez> okay it doesn't show me "root"
[00:45] <Jpaez> it just has my profile...
[00:47] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1146110&page=25&p=10599404#post10599404 indicates you should install usb-modeswitch-data.
[00:54] <Jpaez> unit193 i believe that is where i was, but i'm lost now.... they told me to go into "root" but i don't believe i have acess to it
[00:55] <Jpaez> access*
[04:12] <r4y> Hello all
[04:14] <r4y> I just got a motherboard from ebay that is the same motherboard I had before that had problems
[04:16] <r4y> I installed flash 11.2 and flash videos work because the graphics card on this motherboard can use 3d unlike the other motherboard I was using
[04:19] <holstein> r4y: congrats
[04:32] <r4y> sorry I will be back
[04:43] <r4y> Sorry about that and sorry about before. I feel pretty stupid about before the other day.
[04:43] <holstein> r4y: ?
[04:44] <r4y> Ubuntu gnome to unity and my not wanting to change, but I get it
[04:44] <r4y> Everything I like works on Ubuntu 10.04 for now and who knows what direction I will go with Linux in the future
[04:45] <holstein> i think 10.04 is EOL
[04:45] <holstein> !10.04
[04:45] <holstein> yup.. yesterday
[04:45] <r4y> I know I am not suppose to ask questions about Ubuntu, O great that answer a question I had
[04:46] <holstein> r4y: i dont mind.. ask what you want
[04:46] <r4y> I thought it ended April last month
[04:46] <r4y> and
[04:46] <r4y> there was 4 updates for java this month so
[04:46] <holstein> its just that 10.04 is not "officially supported".. thus OT here, but there is an OT channel
[04:46] <holstein> r4y: supported ended yesterday.. java might be coming from a PPA
[04:46] <r4y> I wasn't sure they were safe
[04:47] <holstein> r4y: not updating java is not safe
[04:47] <holstein> r4y: i would be aware of where the upgrades are coming from
[04:47] <r4y> OK, great I should make note of that
[04:48] <r4y> That's what I was thinking
[04:48] <r4y> Unsupported channel?, ubuntu-offtopic or?
[04:49] <holstein> !ot
[04:49] <holstein> r4y: what i am reffering to is #ubuntu-beginners-team ..that is our OT channel
[04:49] <r4y> OK,I didn't know that
[04:50] <holstein> r4y: from the /topic - "Want offtopic? Head over to #ubuntu-beginners-team"
[04:50] <r4y> I thought the ubuntu channel wasn't for unsupported
[04:50] <r4y> O O
[04:50] <r4y> sorry I didn't read everything you said
[04:50] <holstein> r4y: ubuntu 10.04 is *not* officially supported.. so you go to an OT channel.. the one the bot mentioned, or the one from the topic
[04:51] <holstein> but, i'll tell you what the deal is with 10.04.. you are on your own.. thats it.. no big deal really..
[04:51] <r4y> It's cool, I understand that
[04:53] <holstein> i usually use, and suggest xfce to folks wanting the old gnome2 look/feel
[04:53] <holstein> for me, there is no comparison between xubuntu 13.04 and ubuntu 10.04.. i would choose xubuntu 13.04
[04:54] <r4y> 13 is out, I didn't try version 12 for much time
[04:55] <r4y> I didn't know 13 was out
[04:55] <r4y> Arg, I have a problem unrelated
[04:55] <r4y> this graphics card's fan is making a lot of noise
[04:57] <r4y> I need to get a new fan I think and it's my fault for it being so loud
[04:57] <holstein> r4y: the releases for ubuntu work like this (at least for the past releases and for now)
[04:57] <holstein> r4y: every april and october, an ubuntu is released
[04:58] <r4y> I know, that's why it's 04 and 10 which stands for the month
[04:58] <holstein> in april of 2013 13.04 is released... april is the .04.. 2013 is the 13
[04:58] <r4y> I recently learned that
[04:58] <holstein> r4y: ok
[04:59] <r4y> Well, I am not sure I want to run this computer anymore then I have to considering how loud the fan is, not because I can't stand the noise but because I am afraid of it causing problems
[05:01] <r4y> thank you for being so kind and I am sorry about everything before. Life has been pretty stressful but at least I know I have it way better then others out there.
[05:02] <holstein> r4y: no worries
[05:02] <holstein> r4y: i would try 13.04 live.. could be driver support
[05:02] <holstein> also, look at the fans and make sure they are working.. fans are cheap... and thermal paste
[05:03] <r4y> I remember when you helped me get my lightsnake usb thing u ma jug thing working
[05:03] <holstein> i like to plan for failure personally.. i have machines that are well backed up, and easily replacable
[05:03] <r4y> it helped me understand things better
[05:03] <holstein> r4y: cheers!
[05:04] <r4y> I can't help but wonder if my other cpu works, what's cool is this motherbaord came with a cpu, cpu fan and 1 gig of ram
[05:05] <r4y> Your right, I need to think way farther ahead, I tried but I am still not used to the ins and outs of computers but I am getting there
[05:06] <r4y> I mean I am getting closer the simple things
[05:06] <holstein> get *any* computer.. and play with it
[05:07] <holstein> i think its better to have a stable machine.. dont mess with that one at all.. keep it backed up.. have another one or other ones to play around with.. also, virtualbox
[05:07] <r4y> I should, one step at a time
[05:08] <r4y> I have to go
[05:09] <holstein> get cheap or free ones
[05:09] <holstein> i have a stack of free ones
[05:09] <r4y> good idea
[05:14] <duanedesign> o/
[05:16] <duanedesign> I found a coool app called pSensors. It shows the temperature of your cpu and gpu as well as the speed at which the fan runs. Displays it in a max/min format as well as a graph showing data over time
[05:17] <duanedesign> not sure if that has anything to do with your issue...I cam in at the end :)
[05:22] <r4y> o/
[05:22] <r4y> Ha duan
[05:22] <r4y> Ya, the problem I have is the graphics card fan is making noise which is my fault
[05:22] <duanedesign> ahh
[05:23] <duanedesign> hate noisy fans
[05:23] <r4y> I tried cleaning, ha ha, I should have done it the right way and it was too delicate for how I was cleaning
[05:23] <holstein> i would probably just take it off and risk it.. or replace it
[05:24] <holstein> but, i have free/cheap graphics cards and fans
[05:24] <r4y> I don't have a place to spray air and I have been shown how, I bought this air bottle but was afraid to use it
[05:24] <r4y> I have been shown how to use it properly I meant
[05:24] <holstein> r4y: its air
[05:24] <r4y> I have not been I meant
[05:24] <holstein> r4y: you just spray it.. you literally cant break anything with it.. its air.. you'll only clean something else
[05:25] <r4y> I think how ever this is made not for the inner parts
[05:25] <holstein> r4y: it is..
[05:25] <r4y> I am looking at it now
[05:25] <r4y> fellows air duster
[05:25] <holstein> r4y: its just air.. you will only clean something else
[05:26] <r4y> still checking it out
[05:26] <holstein> check out what you like.. you can spray air anywhere in that machine..
[05:26] <r4y> it says
[05:26] <holstein> r4y: im saying.. you can spray that where you like
[05:26] <r4y> "however this product can be ignited
[05:27] <holstein> r4y: turn the machine off, and unplug it.. though, you wont "ignite" it
[05:27] <r4y> How long do I wait?
[05:28] <holstein> r4y: for what?
[05:28] <r4y> To spray and wait till I can turn the computer back on
[05:28] <holstein> r4y: whenever you like
[05:29] <holstein> r4y: im just saying, if youa re afraid of it "igniting", turn the machine off
[05:29] <holstein> r4y: its air
[05:29] <holstein> r4y: its not doing anything to your machine you need to wait on.. its just air.. just more air and faster
[05:29] <holstein> r4y: its nothing special.. the combustibles are the propellents
[05:30] <r4y> I figured that by it saying it can be ignited that it perhaps was more then air, there is no ingredient list, lol
[05:30] <holstein> r4y: its air, and a propellent
[05:30] <r4y> OK OK
[05:30] <holstein> r4y: ?
[05:30] <holstein> r4y: no caps please... its air.. no need to worry about it. spray it where ever you like
[05:32] <r4y> sorry I thought ok was supposed to capped, I usually cap them and I am not the type to make my words louder like some people who want to offend other by doing so
[05:32] <r4y> I mean by capping
[05:33] <holstein> r4y: no worries.. just take that air can and spray the components.. it should take a few seconds to nock the dust out
[05:33] <holstein> r4y: spray anywhere you can reach in there with it
[05:35] <r4y> Thank you, I was too afraid to use this, the reason was it says itcan be used on all these things such as keyboards, desk, phones but no mention of internal computer parts
[05:36] <r4y> I just looked up propellent for the fun of it
[05:38] <r4y> TY all for the help. I might want to get a fan for this graphics card, but using this when I need it will be great.I don't know if it fix this fan as I really think I messed it up beyond the repairing skills
[05:39] <r4y> my repairing skills, I have got to go, also so for the mis-spelling, I am really sleepy
[05:39] <r4y> You have all been great help to me
[05:39] <holstein> get a new graphics card. they are cheap.. i literally have a stack i would give you several if you were nearby
[05:39] <Unit193> ...Too bad I'm not either. :P
[05:39] <holstein> r4y: dont waste too much time on broken things, if you are having issues with them.. things are literally free/cheap these days
[05:39] <r4y> Well, I like this one, I use the s-video on it
[05:40] <holstein> r4y: AFAIK, all the ones in my stack have svideo out
[05:42] <r4y> I will keep that in mind, maybe we can make a deal someday but I am not sure for now, ty
[05:42] <holstein> a deal?
[05:42] <holstein> the deal is, you can have them
[05:42] <holstein> have.. no deal.. you just take.. but yeah, not for now
[05:43] <r4y> ok, thank you
[05:44] <duanedesign> holstein: wow a stack of video cards you should start mining bitcoins
[05:44] <duanedesign> :P
[05:44] <holstein> duanedesign: not that kind ;)
[05:47] <r4y> ty, I should go. Keep in mind I don't expect what you offered in the future and it is kind of you to offer
[05:48] <holstein> r4y: expect nothing!.. thats a good policy.. but we'll talk. cheers and good evening
[05:49] <r4y> Nice, thank you and take care holstein and duandesign.
[07:59] <vipulbuntu> unable to mount images in furuousisomount?
[08:03] <wilee-nilee> vipulbuntu, You download it from the repos?
[08:04] <vipulbuntu> how do i knw that from where i have downloaded?
[08:05] <vipulbuntu> so that i can tell u?
[08:05] <wilee-nilee> vipulbuntu, I saw it in a tar at launchpad and in synaptic.
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> vipulbuntu, Did you download it a install or through the software center?
[08:07] <vipulbuntu> wilee-milee, i have done it through terminal..
[08:09] <wilee-nilee> vipulbuntu, Can you describe it not mounting an ISO?
[08:13] <vipulbuntu> i am trying to load the .mdf file but in doing so i am not getting anything
[08:13] <vipulbuntu> i am mounting thru browse button..
[09:12] <duanedesign> :P/4
[15:47] <jeromey> hi
[15:49] <jeromey> I am having issues on performing a netboot...at some point during the "Installing the base system", the client tries to connect to security.ubuntu.com and seems to stop there even if I have a local mirror...how do I prevent connections outside my network?
[16:03] <jeromey> can anyone hear me?  I am wondering if IRC is being blocked on my network
[16:03] <jeromey> please send me a message
[16:07] <jeromey> someone please send me a message
[16:07] <jeromey> i guess i am being blocked...ty if you sent me a message
[16:18] <blazemore> patience is a virtue, young padawan
[16:18] <blazemore> ;)
[21:05] <andresantos> Hey! Could anyone help me with my Wi-Fi issue. I just installed the 13.04 alongside with windows 7 on my Acer aspire 4820tg and I can't find my wi-fi. I've been searching all day for solutions and found many with same problem but no solution for myself. My Wi-Fi detected my home wireless when installing ubuntu but it disconnected right away after it. And now after installing I can't find it no matter what I do. I can s
[21:05] <andresantos> not mine.
[21:09] <holstein> andresantos: what would i do? i would wire up and apply all upgrades
[21:10] <holstein> if its working occasionally and on and off like that, its likely a driver issue
[21:11] <holstein> andresantos: you cant look around for issues with wifi in general.. you need to look for issues in common with other users with the *exact* hardware you have.. otherwise, the information you read is likely not constructive
[21:12] <andresantos> I've done it. Or I believe I've installed all appropriate drivers. I haven't been able to connect to the wifi not once yet. I was able to find another wi-fi at my friends house and worked fine. And like I said I can see 6 other Wi-Fi's in the house but not mine
[21:12] <andresantos> I have a broadcom wifi adapter
[21:12] <holstein> andresantos: believe?
[21:13] <holstein> andresantos: so, you can connect to *some* wifi, and be conncted without issue?
[21:13] <andresantos> Yes
[21:13] <holstein> andresantos: i would stop fooling around with the machine then, since you will likely only make things worse
[21:13] <holstein> andresantos: i would look at the settings on your AP, and see if you can make them more "friendly"
[21:13] <andresantos> and I can find many other Wi-Fi's also and I have installed the Broadcom STA driver
[21:14] <holstein> !broadcom
[21:14] <andresantos> holstein: ok thanks! I'll try.
[21:14] <holstein> there is another wifi driver.. but i would look at the AP
[21:14] <andresantos> Wi-fi does work with my mobile phone and Windows 7 also, only not with Ubuntu
[21:14] <holstein> i would also make sure you are looking in the wifi GUI under "more networks"
[21:15] <holstein> andresantos: sure.. and i understand that.. but it doesnt change the fact that the linux driver is having issues (apparently) with how your AP is configured
[21:16] <holstein> what would i do? disable encryption on the AP an try and connect.. see that you are using a common wpa setup
[21:17] <holstein> i have found AP's that my broadcom chip doesnt "like" to connect to
[21:17] <holstein> what am i going to do? probably just switch out the hardware next time i have the machine apart
[21:17] <andresantos> Not exactly sure what do you mean with the more networks, tried also connecting to a hidden wi-fi but didn't work
[21:18] <andresantos> holstein: thanks for your information. I'm gonna try to look at my AP settings if I find something
[21:18] <holstein> andresantos: what hidden network? is the network hidden or not?
[21:19] <andresantos> No it's not but I still tried that method just to make sure.
[21:19] <holstein> what i mean by "more networks" is in the GUI.. there is the list of AP's, and when there are too many to display, you click "more networks" and see more networks
[21:20] <holstein> there are 2 broadcom driver options (assuming the open firmware doesnt support your device, in which case there would be 3)
[21:20] <andresantos> Ok, there's just 6 Wi-Fi's and I believe that's it. Can't see  "more networks"
[21:20] <holstein> andresantos: then, its not that
[21:21] <holstein> andresantos: what is it? i have no idea, but you'll need to try several things to troubleshoot
[21:21] <andresantos> Not sure do I know how to change the broadcom driver but I can try reading the link you pasted
[21:21] <holstein> andresantos: then start with what you do understand.. mess with the config on the AP
[21:22] <holstein> temporarily disable encryption.. see that the settings are broad enough to include your device
[21:22] <holstein> if the AP is N only, and you have a G card.. for example
[21:22] <holstein> OR, if the driver is only G for some reason
[21:23] <andresantos> I'm in the AP settings now, at the moment not sure what to try to change though
[21:23] <holstein> assume nothing, and test everything, and let broadcom know you are having a challenging time with their hardware in the operating system
[21:23] <holstein> andresantos: chage literally everything
[21:23] <holstein> andresantos: i would back it up as-is
[21:23] <holstein> then, i would disable encryption.. i would broaden it to include B,G & N
[21:24] <holstein> i would do literallly anything and everything til i see it from linux
[21:24] <andresantos> Encryption: TKIP/AES
[21:24] <holstein> is that the issue? i have no idea, but i would around 6 minutes from now after having tried different settings
[21:24] <holstein> andresantos: sure.. so try another one.. try *no* encrption. temporarily
[21:25] <andresantos> OK, well the settings up at the moment are default so if I mess something up it's no problem getting it back to default
[21:25] <holstein> andresantos: backup the config of the AP, then you can revert easily
[21:25] <andresantos> Also I'm wondering could it be the Channel?
[21:25] <holstein> andresantos: it could be literally anything
[21:25] <holstein> user error. .config on the machine.. the AP.. the driver. the router
[21:26] <holstein> andresantos: assume its *all* of these.. and rule them out one by one
[21:26] <holstein> is it encryption? i dont know.. let me disable *all* encryption and test.. is it working with encryption disabled? if yes then its likely the encryption
[21:26] <holstein> if not, then move on to another variable
[21:27] <holstein> also, let broadcom know when you figure it out
[21:28] <holstein> also, wiring up to the internet or connecting somewhere else and upgrading can help as well
[21:29] <andresantos> OK, so I changed the channel and took off WPA compatible and after it I was able to find the connection and connect to it
[21:29] <andresantos> but it didnt work the internet anymore
[21:31] <andresantos> Oh and now it started working
[21:31] <andresantos> now I'm connected with my wi-fi
[21:31] <andresantos> so it was the channel I changed, nothing else
[21:31] <andresantos> holstein: thanks a lot for your help, it has given me a headache today
[21:34] <holstein> anymore?
[21:34] <holstein> away
[21:34] <holstein> andresantos: from what i read, it *never* "worked the internet", correct?
[21:35] <holstein> andresantos: anyways.. you got it now, and changing the channel is easy
[21:36] <andresantos> The Wi-Fi is working now like it should. My broadcom driver couldn't detect the channel my AP was using. It never worked with my own AP but the wi-fi did work at my friends place.
[21:36] <holstein> andresantos: i have an app on my android phone that analyzes the channels in the area
[21:36] <holstein> andresantos: you are assuming the driver is the issue
[21:36] <holstein> andresantos: it could be that the channel was already in use, and something with the hardware didnt "like" that channel being crowded
[21:37] <holstein> andresantos: dont assume its the driver issue, though it likely is
[21:37] <andresantos> holstein: well if my phone and also the windows 7 was able to connect to that channel, then I'm assuming that it's the Ubuntu driver where the issue is
[21:37] <holstein> andresantos: it could be, and likely is..
[21:37] <andresantos> But yes, can't be sure
[21:38] <holstein> andresantos: eitherway, being on a less crowded channel is a win
[21:38] <holstein> cheers!
[21:38] <andresantos> holstein: haha, cheers!
[21:38] <andresantos> holstein: and thanks a lot for your help
[21:39] <andresantos> I do have another small problem also with my brightness keys, FN+left/right. But I guess I'm gonna search the internet first before asking here.


[04:59] <CoderEurope> Why didn't this come out ? https://www.smartprix.com/mobiles/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-p11016hj4hiu
[04:59] <CoderEurope> or did it ?
[11:24] <Ferdie> Hey guys!
[11:24] <Ferdie> Still hanging on?


[20:34] <PatrickDickey> Hi everyone. I've got a quick question. I've created a script that sets up my bzr branch, and am running into an issue with the whoami command. Since the command is bzr whoami "My Name <myemail>", and I'm passing it a string value in my script, would I need quotes at all? In other words, would I use bzr whoami $name ?
[23:03] <maxb> PatrickDickey: You would need quotes to protect the spaces and < > characters from being interpreted as splitting the string into multiple arguments and redirection operators by the shell
[23:04] <PatrickDickey> Thank you maxb, would I want to do something like bzr whoami '"' $name '"' then?
[23:04] <maxb> erm, no
[23:04] <maxb> bzr whoami "$name"
[23:05] <maxb> (I'm assuming we're talking about Bourne shell here)
[23:06]  * maxb thanks the absent mbp to super-fast hydrazine code review
[23:20] <PatrickDickey> maxb, yes we are. And thank you. I'll put that in. :)