[14:06] <luis220413> I completed testing for my security regression fix for varnish in bug 1986627.
[14:40] <luis220413> The reverse dependencies of jupyter-notebook in Ubuntu 20.04 are built from 4 source packages: jupyter-notebook itself, ipywidgets, radare2-cutter and sagemath. I am running autopkgtest locally with a schroot for Ubuntu 20.04 amd64 on these source packages.
[14:41] <luis220413> The run for ipywidgets results in PASS (superficial) and the runs for radare2-cutter and sagemath result in SKIP no tests in this package.
[14:43] <luis220413> The run for jupyter-notebook results in PASS (superficial).
[15:39] <luis220413> The reverse dependencies of jupyter-notebook in Ubuntu 22.04 are built from 10 source packages: ipywidgets, jupyter-core, jupyter-notebook itself, jupyterhub, macaulay2-jupyter-kernel, metakernel, nbclassic, nbgitpuller, sagemath and zarr. I am running autopkgtest locally with a schroot for Ubuntu 22.04 amd64 on these source packages.
[15:57] <luis220413> I am seeing test failures for sagemath, although they seem unrelated to jupyter-notebook.
[16:49] <luis220413> The run for sagemath results in PASS, even though 64 tests fail, because up to 100 failures are tolerated.
[16:53] <luis220413> This run executed 373655 tests.
[16:57] <luis220413> The run for ipywidgets results in PASS.
[17:04] <luis220413> The run for zarr results in PASS.
[17:28] <luis220413> The run for jupyter-core results in PASS
[17:30] <luis220413> The run for jupyterhub results in SKIP no tests in this package
[17:36] <luis220413> The run for jupyter-notebook results in PASS.
[17:37] <luis220413> The run for macaulay2-jupyter-kernel results in SKIP no tests in this package
[17:38] <luis220413> The run for metakernel results in FAIL non-zero exit status 1 for upstream and PASS (superficial) for autodep8-python3. I will attach the test logs to the bug (1982670).
[17:47] <luis220413> The run for nbclassic results in PASS (superficial).
[17:48] <luis220413> The run for nbgitpuller results in PASS (superficial).
[17:48] <luis220413> These are the results for Ubuntu 22.04. I will rerun the sagemath tests to have complete logs for all packages.
[17:49] <luis220413> This is bug 1982670.
[18:30] <luis220413> In this rerun, 62 tests fail and up to 100 failures are tolerated.
[18:31] <luis220413> I will return in 45 minutes but remain online.
[20:19] <luis220413> I have attached the logs for the rerun of the sagemath autopkgtest.


[00:14] <racarr_> ah hmm...it's difficult to write to a buffer you get on the server side via compositor_acquire because you get
[00:14] <racarr_> the temporary compositor buffer and can't
[00:14] <racarr_> cast to the platform implementation type...
[00:15] <racarr_> (its difficult because im using the BufferWriter strategy...now BufferAccessor...) this seems to be an argument for buffer::read :)
[00:16] <RAOF> I don't think that you can, in general, read from a Buffer.
[00:18] <RAOF> Heh. You live and learn.
[00:23] <RAOF> Also, whoops. 10⁶ ns in 1 ms.
[00:25] <racarr_> NO EXPONENTS IN IRC
[00:25] <racarr_> *smacks with ruler*
[00:26] <racarr_> wheee
[00:27] <racarr_> animted cursor :)
[00:38] <RAOF> Whoot!
[00:47] <racarr_> *sends application to guiness book of world records*
[00:47] <racarr_> Most banjos restringed during full mir compile: 1.5
[00:57] <racarr_> I await my challenger
[01:00] <RAOF> I wonder how much people would care if we added a glib dependency in Mir users.
[01:01] <RAOF> It'd be kinda nice to be returning GSource-s rather than needing to re-roll the same thing over again.
[01:04] <racarr_> RAOF: I'd +1 that
[01:05] <racarr_> but in my mind GLib is effectively libc ;)
[01:05] <RAOF> Well, we already have a runtime dependency on glib...
[01:05] <RAOF> Hm.
[01:05] <RAOF> I think I will do that.
[02:00] <duflu> RAOF: What's glib being used for now?
[02:01] <RAOF> duflu: GLibMainLoop
[02:01] <duflu> RAOF: That's old news(?)
[02:02] <RAOF> Oh, as in - what do *I* want to use it for?
[02:02] <RAOF> GSource
[03:19] <duflu> I'd forgotten how quickly things land without CI :)
[03:19] <duflu> The good old days of living dangerously
[06:51] <RAOF> Man.
[06:51] <RAOF> *Again* I confuse nsec with msec.
[06:56] <racarr_> y u no std::chrono
[06:56] <racarr_> (C API presumably :()
[07:06] <RAOF> Oh, well. That's EOW for me.
[07:06] <RAOF> mircva::InputReceiver is *very nearly* a functioning GSource.
[07:07] <racarr_> nifty
[07:07] <RAOF> GSource is pretty cool.
[07:08] <RAOF> For the eventloop integration thing I think I'll just export GSources directly via libmirclient-glib.
[07:08] <RAOF> But anyway, EOW.
[07:16] <racarr_> bye :) happy weekend
[07:21] <mlankhorst> RAOF: can i use it in xmir too?
[12:12] <tsdgeos> anpok_: racarr_: ping?
[12:13] <tsdgeos> or anyone else, is there a way to get the log of the raw x,y of the touch presses mir gets?
[12:13] <tsdgeos> i tried exporting MIR_SERVER_INPUT_REPORT=log
[12:13] <tsdgeos> but the only thing i get is
[12:13] <tsdgeos> [1417781333.496738] (II) input: Received event finished seq_id=102 src_fd=89
[12:13] <tsdgeos> which isn't much interesting
[12:15] <alan_g> tsdgeos: is mir_demo_standalone_input_filter of any use (despite its name it is a demo *server* that dumps input events)
[12:16] <tsdgeos> alan_g: probably not, i have a situation with autopilot+unity8 in which i think some touch events are being delivered wrong somewhere
[12:17] <tsdgeos> but i need unity8 to run so i can run autopilot so probably mir_demo_standalone_input_filter is not seful
[12:18]  * alan_g doesn't know (but thinks you asked the right people)
[12:30] <anpok_> tsdgeos: hm did you export that for usc?
[12:30] <anpok_> because unity8 is nested
[12:30] <tsdgeos> anpok_: ok, let me see if i restart usc then
[12:30] <anpok_> and the input gets fed directly from the nested surface to the qt input dispatcher and I think it wont be logging its contents..
[12:31] <tsdgeos> anpok_: where do usc logs end up?
[12:31] <anpok_> it ought to end up in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log
[12:32] <tsdgeos> anpok_: do i just kill and start it? or is it driven by upstart too?
[12:33] <anpok_> hm restart lightdm should do it
[12:33] <tsdgeos> oki
[12:34] <anpok_> oh InputReport might not be helpful enough
[12:36] <tsdgeos> oh :/
[12:37] <alan_g> anpok_: @"not helpful" the interface or the default implementation? (I'm looking for motivating examples for allowing customizing the reports and we should try to get the interfaces right)
[12:37] <anpok_> alan_g: hm i think the interface here.. it does not get the position
[12:37] <anpok_> i believe we log it somewhere else
[12:38] <anpok_> through the legacy input report
[12:38] <tsdgeos> anpok_: do you know the lower place i could put a printf of the x,y positions?
[12:38] <tsdgeos> to see if it's mir or wathever is below?
[12:38] <tsdgeos> is that android already?
[12:38] <anpok_> we have that.. hmm but where
[12:45] <anpok_> tsdgeos: MIR_CLIENT_INPUT_RECEIVER_REPORT=log for unity8
[12:45] <tsdgeos> ok, let's see
[12:45] <anpok_> this would be what unity8 receives from usc
[12:46] <anpok_> and you can basically do the same for a client of unity8 to see how that event got dispatched to it..
[12:46] <tsdgeos> food first!
[14:55] <alan_g> alf__: I've been looking at migrating render_surfaces (mostly out of curiosity to see what stops it being a valid example). There's just one nasty: "surface_pf = the_buffer_allocator()->supported_pixel_formats()[0];" as we don't expose the buffer allocator. Can you think of a better way to get a valid pixel format?
[15:03] <alf__> alan_g: No. Perhaps this indicates a gap in the new API, since without a pixel format the shell can't create its own surfaces.
[15:06] <alan_g> Indeed. But I'm not sure GraphicBufferAllocator is the interface that should be exposed to support this?
[15:07] <alf__> alan_g: just the_supported_pixel_formats() ?
[15:08] <alan_g> Well, that's all we need for render_surfaces and I can't currently see an interface it belongs on.
[15:10] <alan_g> I'm just not sure mir::Server::supported_pixel_formats() is right
[16:31]  * alan_g wonders if we should "republish" mir/raii.h
[20:23] <attente_> hello, does mir support pointer/keyboard grabbing?
[20:27] <anpok> hm a shell could do that on its own already, but no there is no such thing yet in the client api
[20:46] <attente_> anpok: is there any plan to add it to the client api?
[21:07] <anpok> attente_: no idea when... or how urgent that is.. best is to make a bug report to rise attention
[21:08] <attente_> anpok: ok, thanks


[06:39] <stochastic> !ubuntustudio
[06:41] <cfhowlett> stochastic: first line suggestion:  Ubuntu Studio is a collection of multimedia creation tools for musicians, writers, film-makers, desktop-publishers, designers and other digital artists.
[06:41]  * stochastic is looking into ubottu privileges
[06:46] <cfhowlett> stochastic: ah, let's not forget photographers!  "Ubuntu Studio is a collection of multimedia creation tools for musicians, writers, film-makers, photographers, desktop-publishers, designers and other digital media artists."
[17:06] <easiername> wxl: Hi again. Sorry it took me so long (a day) to get back to you (it was me with the JACK problem).
[17:07] <easiername> Life intervened…
[17:07] <easiername> But JACK's working now,thanks to the reboot you suggested.
[17:07] <easiername> You were very helpful :-) Thank you again!!
[22:06] <cfhowlett> !ubuntustudio > cfhowlett
[22:33] <cfhowlett> Greetings mods:  Suggested update to the default ubotto description of this channel: "Ubuntu Studio is a collection of multimedia tools for musicians, writers, film-makers, photographers, desktop-publishers, designers and other media digital artists."
[23:15] <jen__> anyone know the best place for an artist to draw?


[05:29] <axino> pick: you can check what the prober does by going at the mirror page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/enzu.com and clicking in the "log file" link in the "Last probe" section


 I do have my hue lights go on and off automatically in the evening and in the morning
[06:54] <Switches> :)
[06:54] <Switches> I gotta say I don't get why people seem so surprised about MS releasing a FreeBSD OS for Azure..
[06:56] <knightwise> Ms is no longer about an OS , its about apps and services
[06:57] <knightwise> they "get" that in order to succeed its no longer about building a walled garden
[06:57] <Switches> I mean since Nadella took over as Ceo they have changed direction with OSS in general, The guy's an ex Sun Micro dude ofc he will want a "Unix" in there somewhere. Also being he was the "head" of the cloud computing arm of MS I gotta say I was expecting this to come a little sooner
[07:55] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:56] <Switches> Heya SuperMatt
[07:56] <SuperMatt> g'day
[07:58] <popey> pip pip
[07:58] <knightwise> Tah popey !
[07:58] <Switches> Morning popey
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Iced Tea Day! 😃  🍹
[08:35] <SuperMatt> oooh, no thanks to iced tea
[08:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgt9UVXedGk
[08:37] <davmor2> SuperMatt: you use linux and play games you should be used to cold tea ;)
[08:38] <popey> I had quite a bit of iced coffee when I was in Austin last month, very nice
[08:38] <popey> not a fan of iced tea, no matter how much the Floridians tell me how great it is
[08:40]  * JamesTait is not a fan of davmor2's iced tea.
[08:40] <JamesTait> I don't mind the drink, though.  Quite refreshing.  I usually make it with rooibos.
[08:41] <Switches> iced tea is blasphemy!
[08:41]  * Switches doesn't drink tea at all but that's not the point
[08:43]  * popey makes some Matê
[08:43] <Switches> lol
[08:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: nor am I it was on a spotify playlist and only stuck in my head for the iced-tea line however I could point you at Straight Outta Compton that's the only other musical Iced-T I know :D
[08:44] <Switches> ...
[08:44] <davmor2> popey: oh oh oh have you actually had some now?
[08:44] <popey> no
[08:44] <popey> just about to
[08:45] <Switches> I'll stick to me coffee :p
[08:45]  * JamesTait is drinking coffee atm.
[08:47] <Switches> Coffee & Hobnobs for me :)
[08:47] <Switches> Oh a new ubuntu podcast.  :-P
[10:12] <popey> hah
[10:41] <sadlee> I installed Lubuntu in the UK and it's set to US keyboard layout. Is that a bug you
[10:42] <sadlee> I asked in #lubuntu but it's empty
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: you let it dry out too long before using it
[10:46] <sadlee> I just found setxkbmap -layout gb - does that make the change permanently or do I need something else?
[10:48] <sadlee> Sorry Lubuntu has answered me. I wasn't patient enough, Apologies
[10:48] <Switches> It should make the change permanent. The default always seems to be us
[10:48] <Switches> US*
[10:48] <Switches> Ahh good :)
[10:48] <Switches> sadlee: Hope they fix it for you
[10:49] <sadlee> The wonder of Google eh :)
[10:49] <sadlee> I wish helpers online would mention whether changes are permanent though. I suppose it's obvious to seasoned cli users
[10:50] <Switches> Sometimes you kinda forget tbh, its one of those details
[10:51] <sadlee> I have noticed the word set in the command usually makes things permanent, but I guess that's just coincidence
[10:51] <Switches> You're so focused on sorting the problem and finding out what caused it that a little detail like it being gone on next reboot doesn't come to mind until after you say "oh restart it" and they leave >.<
[10:51] <sadlee> I could get used to the cli - it's kind of easier in an odd way
[10:52] <Switches> cli isn't that bad, it can be a lifesaver (although nowadays its a lot less used than it was)
[10:54] <sadlee> Apparently my fix is temporary btw, Lubuntu peeps just told me and as this is archived, I don't want to mislead anyone. That would be hypocitical :)
[10:54] <Switches> Ahh well that's good to know
[10:55] <sadlee> I'm looking at sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[10:56] <sadlee> Do I dive in and take arisk it's right?
[10:56] <Switches> Although I normally think of things with "xkb" to be permanent.. although saying that it was probably from around the time writing configs was done by hand >.>
[10:56] <Switches> well that command will bring up the package manager to allow the change that should make it permanent for sure
[10:59] <sadlee> I'll give it ago, cos the approved way seems to be to edit the keyboard file and I can't find it yet :)
[11:00] <sadlee> I've also found L='us' && sudo sed -i 's/XKBLAYOUT=\"\w*"/XKBLAYOUT=\"'$L'\"/g' /etc/default/keyboard but that looks like gibberish to me :)
[11:01] <Switches> Well that command (the dpkg-reconfigure) should change the file for you
[11:04] <Switches> Well the command you pasted is just "pushing" layout changes to the file located at /etc/default/keyboard
[11:04] <sadlee> It seemed to work though it asked me questions about interrupt keys that were a bit confusing. I just left them as the defaults
[11:04] <Switches> If you wanna read up some more on what sed is and does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed that link explains it
[11:05] <Switches> yeah the configure option if i remember right trys to find out if you have "extra" keys like the european keyboard layouts have
[11:05] <sadlee> It's interesting stuff and it was probably quicker than using the GUI. Anyway it seems to be solved
[11:06] <Switches> Great! :)
[11:07] <foobarry> http://ruinmysearchhistory.com/
[11:07] <foobarry> ;)
[11:09] <Switches> Why would I want to ruinmysearchhistory? If I've searched for something it's likely that I would want to find it again :p
[11:09] <popey> thats funny
[11:09] <Switches> Plus I use duckduckgo..
[11:10] <popey> hah, duckduckgo is the new arch/vegan
[11:10] <Switches> lol
[11:10] <foobarry> arch/vegan/brexit
[11:11] <popey> http://brexitquiz.com/ is fun
[11:11] <popey> i got 12/14.. oops
[11:11] <foobarry> i voted without investigating it
[11:12] <foobarry> i just decided we shouldn't be voting about it right now
[11:12] <popey> why
[11:12] <popey> because it interferes with euro 2016? :)
[11:12] <foobarry> it was just to appease farage in the election
[11:12] <foobarry> it shouldn't have been done
[11:13] <foobarry> hence i voted to retain status quo
[11:13] <popey> i see
[11:13] <popey> he's so excited to be relevant
[11:13] <foobarry> like donald fart
[11:14] <popey> it's such a shame old people and people who live in small villages get to vote :)
[11:14] <Switches> lol
[11:14] <foobarry> aklthough young ppl like to rebel against generation+1
[11:14] <foobarry> whether reasonably or not
[11:14] <popey> perhaps, but it's mostly gen+2 who are against IME
[11:14] <foobarry> i still think brexit will not breach 34%
[11:14] <popey> gen+1 seem okay, but maybe 75/25 split
[11:14] <foobarry> yeah
[11:15] <popey> only pro brexit stuff I see on fb are from people who actually don't live here anymore
[11:16] <popey> one guy posted a rant, and then clearly got his arse handed to him, deleted the post and said he's quitting fb for a bit.
[11:16] <Switches> So I guess you're voting to stay in then? :p
[11:17] <popey> hehe
[11:17] <popey> is it that obvious :)
[11:17] <Switches> rofl just a little
[11:18] <foobarry> i figure all the brexit ppl have already told me
[11:18] <Switches> Tbh though I'm on the other side of it.
[11:18] <foobarry> and everyone else is remain
[11:18] <foobarry> they tell me every day on fb  until i block them
[11:19] <foobarry> and i've already voted
[11:19] <Switches> lol
[11:31] <foobarry> could i georgaphically locate devices in a house using rfid tags or other tech?
[11:31] <foobarry> would need to be "dumb" tech to incorporate as a sticker/tags
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the range of rfid too short?
[11:31] <foobarry> http://www.gizmag.com/sticknfind-finding-system/25238/
[11:31] <foobarry> allegedly no!
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to transmit a lot of power to active it's transmitter?
[11:33] <foobarry> ah, bluetooth
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, they use a battery and not transmitted power
[11:33] <foobarry> sad face
[11:33] <foobarry> rfid too short range?
[11:33] <foobarry> new bt4 is low power though innit?
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> so you have to remember once a year to get all the devices you're tracking and change the battery
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> until they make a kinetic powered tracker it's a nice idea but a bit of a pain for most i suspect
[11:35] <foobarry> they raise a $1m on indiegogog
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> i think there's trackr already doing what they are doing
[11:35] <foobarry> bluetooth ?
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> yes https://www.thetrackr.com/tech-specs
[11:37] <foobarry> reviews from ppl who got the product complained about quality. the transmitters dying or not working
[11:39] <foobarry>  RFID Tags - minimum read distance of over 1 meter or 3 feet. Gen2 tags can have a read range of up to 12 meters or 37 feet, however new generation of IC's plus antenna designs are now pushing this distance to over 15 meters!
[11:41] <foobarry> active RFID looks better than bluetooth
[11:41]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a bt snooping rifle that could snag a users phone information from a mile or two away... http://www.tomsguide.com/us/how-to-bluesniper-pt1,review-408.html
[11:42] <sadlee> Might not all these techs be bypassed by li-fi though as there are street lamps almost everywhere in the UK. There's on 30ft from me right now and I'm pretty rural
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> i thought li fi had gone nowhere and was losing out to bt and rfid
[11:43] <foobarry> i'm just thinking about sticky tags that could be stuck on passport, remote controls, key fob, wallet to find them at home
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> perfect for the terrorist who wants a device to target a specific individual
[11:44] <foobarry> yeah ,, or a homeowner with kids
[11:44] <sadlee> There's a theory isn't there, that the democratisation of weapons will wipe out all civilisations
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> only takes one gobdaw with a doomsday device
[11:45] <sadlee> It's a worryingly cogent argument too
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> in heinleins sci fi he pointed out that in an increasingly technologically dependent society anyone stopping their little part of the society can affect a massive part of the rest of it
[11:47]  * sadlee has to catch a train, but will  bookmark this channel
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[11:50] <pandaadb> Hi - I was wondering if someone could support me in looking into random crashes with ubuntu 16.04.
[11:50] <pandaadb> Sometimes the system will not start up, the keyboard does not react, I can't switch into a terminal and the only thing I can do is to hold down the power button and hard restart it
[11:51] <pandaadb> Or I will lock the computer, and when trying to unlock it, nothing will respond, I don't get a password window, I can;t switch into the terminal etc
[11:51] <pandaadb> I was wondering if there is a place where these crashes are stored/logged so I can at least google propable causes :)
[11:51] <pandaadb> It is a fresh install of 16.04 on a dell precsission 5510
[11:54] <Switches> Best to ask in #ubuntu really, but to start you off everything the system does is normally logged in /var/log in a file called syslog (there may be more than one syslog file)
[11:55] <pandaadb> thanks
[11:55] <pandaadb> ubuntu is on freenode as well I assume?
[11:55] <pandaadb> I was looking in syslog but either I don't know what to look for or there's nothing there
[11:55] <Switches> yep, it's the main support channel
[11:55] <pandaadb> okay great :) i'll ask there
[11:56] <Switches> no problem :) hope they can help you out
[12:26] <foobarry> https://haveibeenpwned.com/
[12:31] <foobarry> www.wired.co.uk/article/new-robot-wars-2016-behind-the-scenes YAY
[14:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jvnddfpbgz2hmgb/AABQW6d_BG8ENCU8Xo2Lonxda?dl=0
[14:32] <daftykins> more fruity tech disassembled \o/
[14:43] <Switches> rofl def not their day... http://tinyurl.com/jx52noq
[14:45] <daftykins> no way :D also, Besancon is where housemates of mine from Uni time live(d)
[14:46] <Switches> I found that hilarious
[14:47] <Switches> trying to rob a place only to find out some of the people there are GIGN (French version of Sas), that must have been a "oh ffs" moment
[14:47] <daftykins> :>
[15:23] <Myrtti> I don't get it. Shouldn't xenial be able to clean boot with apt-get clean?
[15:23] <Myrtti> it just does nothing.
[15:30] <Switches> Myrtti: What do you mean "clean boot"? the apt-get clean command just removes the package cache
[15:31] <Myrtti> I can't install upgrades because my /boot is full, and the dialogue suggests running apt-get clean to solve the issue?
[15:31] <Myrtti> Switches: yeah, that's what I thought and found it a bit weird
[15:32] <Switches> Try apt-get autoremove see if it can clear any of the initrds or older kernels?
[15:52] <Myrtti> yeah, did absolutely nothing. Ended up doing what I always do and fire up synaptic
[15:52] <popey> it says apt-get clean!?
[15:52] <popey> that's just wrong
[15:52] <popey> I mean, that's right if / is full
[15:53] <popey> but not /boot
[15:55] <Switches> Myrtti: You got it sorted then?
[15:55] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:55] <Switches> Good, good
[15:57]  * Switches Watches as popey franticly flails his arms about cussing apt-get for being silly
[16:11] <Laney> #parcelforceupdate
[16:12]  * Laney haz new phone
[16:12] <brobostigon> :)
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> shiny
[16:19] <Laney> had to travel into town to get a new sim card though
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: sudo apt autoremove removes any old kernels from boot
[16:20] <popey> (I know)
[16:20] <popey> it didnt tell her to do that, it says apt-get clean
[16:20] <popey> Laney: wot u got?
[16:20] <Laney> s7
[16:21] <Laney> was going to wait for the oneplus 3
[16:21] <Laney> but then i dropped my phone on a concrete floor
[16:21] <Laney> so that kind of accelerated the decision point
[16:21] <Laney> 'always on screen' seems nice
[16:21] <Laney> wonder if i can get the weather on there (or other things)
[16:22] <popey> nice
[16:22] <Switches> All these posh gits with the upper class phones :p
[16:22] <popey> yeah, Laney is the poshest person I know
[16:22] <Laney> I made myself like olives a couple of years back
[16:22] <Laney> just so I could be posh
[16:23] <Switches> rofl
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> if it makes you feel more working class i have a dumb nokia... and a cloth cap... well baseball cap... :-)
[16:24] <Switches> rofl, Well I'm special... I have a Windows Phone!
[16:25] <davmor2> Switches: I think you forgot the "" marks around the SPECIAL there ;)
[16:25] <Switches> lol
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> wow even my choice was smarter than his phone... :-P
[16:26] <Switches> I guess it's good, haven't used Windows on my PC for over a decade, but still have it on the phone..
[16:26] <Laney> samsung's camera app has a feature to make my face look thinner
[16:26] <Switches> Why?!
[16:26] <Laney> SELFIE CULTURE
[16:27]  * Laney writes a Guardian article about it
[16:27] <Switches> hehe
[16:28] <popey> Laney: how thin can it go?
[16:28] <popey> 1px?
[17:33] <foobarry> my face is too thin can it make it fatter
[17:33] <foobarry> ?
[17:33] <foobarry> also my hairdresser has been deported, i need a haircut
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> and travelling to their home country is right out?
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://i.imgur.com/3vWSU08.jpg
[17:45] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSh1MWIdVU
[18:42] <Switches> popey: A flying drone hair cutter!... (although it almost destroying the dummy head was amusing). Makes me glad I'm bald.


[09:39] <dekarl> tgm4883: what is Ubuntu TV Testcard?
[09:39] <dekarl> might help to decide if one can test it ;)
[09:41] <dekarl> Ahh, making that line more prominent would do: layout.set_text("Welcome to Ubuntu TV Testcard.\nUse this utility to finetune your TV settings.", -1)
[09:48] <dekarl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115309/ trying to run it with remote X on my backend
[09:48] <Zinn> [paste.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu Pastebin
[09:50] <dekarl> i first thought its a UbuntuTV Testcard, but its a Ubuntu TVTestcard ... just getting a gray screen though
[16:17] <n1md4> Installed today, nicely put together.  I've gone through the setup wizard, and can playback the video tests, but can't watch live tv, it says 'no tuner configured', any help please?
[16:22] <SteveGoodey> n1md4: You have a wintv nova-t 500?
[16:23] <n1md4> Sorry, yes, I have.  I've enabled the proprietory drive too, but have not yet rebooted.
[16:24] <n1md4> Hey SteveGoodey thanks for replying the dev thread, it was a bit tricky for me to get it working on arch so moved to ubuntu :)
[16:24] <SteveGoodey> Card recognised in dmesg and firmware loaded OK?
[16:36] <n1md4> dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T successfully initialized and connected.
[16:36] <n1md4> dib0700: rc submit urb failed
[16:41] <SteveGoodey> n1md4: Have you gone through mythtv-setup?
[16:50] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: I installed Mythbuntu, activated the proprietory driver, and then launched mythtv frontend ... I guess that counts as a no?
[16:50] <n1md4> I went through the setup wizard from the frontend.
[16:51] <SteveGoodey> No, you need to come out of the frontend and do   http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtv-setup
[16:51] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Mythtv-setup - MythTV Official Wiki
[16:57] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: I don't suppose you know what the Card Type is for the Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T ?
[16:59] <SteveGoodey> Is that in capture card setup?
[17:00] <n1md4> Yes, it is.  I've read so far that Happauge cards are MPEG-2 encoder card, but then I'm unsure what to kill in the rest?
[17:01] <SteveGoodey> Try Card Type to "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)"
[17:01] <n1md4> I can only assume Video device is /dev/dvb/adapter0 or adapter1
[17:02] <n1md4> Oo DVB device automatically appears :)
[17:03] <SteveGoodey> You should be able to cycle through till you find the one you want
[17:04] <n1md4> bleb.org or radiotimes, for a video source?
[17:05] <SteveGoodey> Radio Times I use, you're UK?
[17:06] <n1md4> I am.
[17:07] <SteveGoodey> Did you go through capture card bit ok?
[17:08] <n1md4> Oh yes, I'd have thought so.  The DVB DTV capture card option sounded right, and the DVB device was automatically probed.
[17:33] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: I'm now getting 'mythtv-backend respawning too fast, stopped' in dmesg
[17:35] <SteveGoodey> Tried a reboot?!
[17:38] <n1md4> ... might as well give it a go!
[17:41] <n1md4> Not cool :( http://pastie.org/4349175
[17:41] <Zinn> [pastie.org] #4349175 - Pastie
[17:42] <n1md4> "Could not connect to the master backend server. Is it running? Is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setpu correct" yes, and yes.
[17:43] <SteveGoodey> MythBackend: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.
[17:43] <SteveGoodey> Scheduler: Listings source 'RadioTimes' is defined, but is not attached to a card p.
[17:45] <SteveGoodey> Did you go through the mythtv-setup completely, that's the secret. Capture cards, Video sources, Input connections, etc....
[17:47] <n1md4> Compeletly, yes, but perhaps not correctly :\
[20:29] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: I've got it working now, thanks for the assist.  Last question though, the colours are all off.  i.e. skin is light blue.  What might be the problem there?
[20:30] <SteveGoodey> Hang on that sounds familiar.
[20:31] <n1md4> I'm in the process of sourcing a card decent enough to be both moderate for gaming, and silent for htpc use.
[20:31] <SteveGoodey> "It seems that the Hue was up to high after the upgrade."
[20:33] <n1md4> Ah ... so where can I change colour?
[20:34] <n1md4> Found something here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html  I'll give it a go when I'm back on the myth box
[20:34] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MythTV, Open Source DVR
[20:34] <SteveGoodey> What video, not capture card, are you using?
[20:35] <n1md4> I'm unsure, how could I tell?
[20:36] <SteveGoodey> During playback hit 'm' to get menu, could be colour settings in there.
[20:36] <SteveGoodey> Did you build this system from scratch?
[20:39] <n1md4> From the mythbuntu live CD.
[20:39] <n1md4> The hardware is just bits I had lying around at work, that weren't being used.
[20:40] <SteveGoodey> No I mean hardware wise. What graphics card did you install? What card is driving the display?
[20:41] <dekarl> n1md4: btw, the Nova cards are all DTV receivers. The MPEG encoding happens at the broadcast centers. (opposed to Hauppauge PVR-xxx cards that are MPEG encoders)
[20:43] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: It's an integrated gigabyte graphics.
[20:45] <SteveGoodey> Ok. Think you need to hunt around to find a hue setting you can change. That page you mentioned suggests 'F' could be the one.
[20:45] <SteveGoodey> On a keyboard.
[20:46] <n1md4> dekarl: Okay.  I'm new to tuning card jargon.  I'd read Happauge cards used MPEG card, don't know the difference between the DTV and PVR.
[20:47] <SteveGoodey> To find the graphics adapter it should be mentioned in dmesg. You can probably tell I'm no expert at this, just a user!
[20:47] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: Thanks, I'll take  look.
[20:47] <n1md4> Need to go, thanks for the help.
[20:47] <SteveGoodey> Good luck.
[20:47] <n1md4> :)
[20:48] <dekarl> no worries. And try /var/log/xorg.log (or similar)
[20:49] <dekarl> /var/log/Xorg.*.log will contain something like [    26.412] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 210 (GT218) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)


[03:47] <manchicken> Pulling source for libapt-pkg4.12, hopefully I'll find some clues there.
[03:47] <manchicken> Not sure how much I'll be able to do this weekend, this weekend is nuts.
[06:28] <ahoneybun> hey guys and girls!
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:45] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:49] <cortexA9> hello
[14:10] <cortexA9> hey
[14:13] <cortexA9> Riddell: there is one problem
[14:13] <cortexA9> on the daily
[14:13] <cortexA9> doesn't start automatic
[14:13] <cortexA9> in live mode kde
[14:14] <BluesKaj> no skype for kubuntu any longer ?
[14:14] <cortexA9> Riddell: i did to kill X
[15:36] <soee> lol
[15:37] <soee> there is some serious issue with caligra author
[15:37] <soee> it freezed my PC now it uses 4,2 BG ram ...
[17:12] <mparillo> BluesKaj: In my VMs (13.10 and 14.04 daily), I could not find Skype in the Software Center, but I was able to follow the (non-64 bit) command line instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype#Installing_Skype
[17:13] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Skype Chats work, but I have not tested the camera in my VM.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> mparillo, thanks for the info
[17:44] <mparillo> BluesKaj: YW, but was that really what you were asking?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> yes , mparillo ...I'm not big skype user, but since getting this laptop with camera and camera , i'd just like to try it
[17:46] <BluesKaj> camera nad mic rather :)
[17:48] <BluesKaj> \also have W7n
[17:48] <BluesKaj> as a guest and wondering if it works there as well
[17:49] <BluesKaj> not used to this KB yet , and my typings skills aren't the greatest
[17:51] <jalcine> Skype does some nasty stuff with PulseAudio if you don't watch the config.
[17:52] <jalcine> It'd constantly readjusts your mixer levels
[17:52] <jalcine> even outside of calls
[18:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi.. I'm diggin around in Harvest looking for bugs to fix, and I'm find all the bitesize things already fixed. Any advice on where to go bug hunting please ?
[19:51] <ian> hi all can i ask a question
[19:51] <ian> does kubuntu support amd ati drivers?
[19:52] <Guest88026> does kubuntu support amd ati drivers?   thanks in advance
[19:52] <Guest88026> hello anyone there?
[20:01] <soee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[20:02] <lordievader> soee: He left a minute after asking...
[20:02] <soee> oh i have diabled who left/joined :D
[20:03] <lordievader> soee: Sometimes it is usefull to see them ;)
[20:12] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[20:14] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you doing?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> lordievader, fine yourself?
[20:14] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Doing good, trying to compile hostapd.
[20:15] <ahoneybun> same I'm download source for CyanogenMod
[20:16] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/c/iljLYjJT/75-create-one-page-html-for-first-impression-about-kubuntu-on-kubuntu-org is this going to be moved to the kubuntu.org page or is it for fun?
[20:19] <ahoneybun> lordievader, people have been adding a look of unrelated things on the trello page
[20:19] <ahoneybun> well things that should be done after we get a rough draft of the docs page and the mini docs
[20:20] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hmm that one page thing is starting to become huge, I thought the idea was to create a summary.
[20:21] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What things on the trello are you refering to?
[20:22] <ahoneybun> well videos of how to setup kubuntu , the page I was just talking about.
[20:22] <ahoneybun> mostly I think
[20:22] <ahoneybun> both great ideas
[20:22] <ahoneybun>  but the summary page is something that should be pushed to the kubuntu.org once things get worked out and info is filled in
[20:25] <lordievader> Is http://docs.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome.html not a short summary btw? Or ment to be one?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> I think the huge page your talking about should be a refreshed feature tour page
[20:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The huge page is the turkish(?, tr?) one ovidiu-florin was working on.
[20:30] <ahoneybun> yea but it can be changed even if I have to  but I think it has great potential
[23:36] <draconus> howdy y'all
[23:37] <draconus> anyone have any advice on installing on a UEFI laptop? can't seem to install 100% correctly
[23:38] <soee> draconus: try to catch Bluskaj when he shows up
[23:38] <soee> he was struggling with it 2 days ago
[23:38] <draconus> Any idea when he might be here?
[23:39] <soee> you can catch him often each day
[23:39] <draconus> mk thanks :D
[23:41] <soee> its strange how people have problems with this UEFI
[23:42] <soee> i bought new Dell 2 months ago had no single problem with installing Kubuntu


[00:11] <Ohadios> i'm still here... if anybody can help me!
[00:52] <Ohadios> hmmm.
[00:52] <Ohadios> seems like everybody's sleeping today :-)
[00:54] <Ohadios> hello?
[01:15] <MythbuntuGuest15> just installed my backend using 8.04 alpha because i couldnt get the current one to start up
[01:15] <MythbuntuGuest15> install was successful, but i wanted to manually set the ip address
[01:16] <MythbuntuGuest15> it has 2 network cards, so i may have manually set the wrong one, im not sure
[01:16] <MythbuntuGuest15> but now it wont let me change anything with the network anymore
[01:18] <MythbuntuGuest15> hmm nevermind i rebooted and it lets me change stuff again
[01:25] <jmichel> I have a normal SB Live sound card on my MythBuntu system that I settup two weeks ago. At first, the SB Live was playing all audio on its analog port and its spdif at the same time. If was perfect to listen music on my digital Pionner Amp. But at some point I rebooted the computer and the digital out is not working anymore. I never touched the sound configuration so I really don't know what is happening.
[01:26] <jmichel> As someone ever seen this problem on the SB Live which is quite a common audio card?  Any hint on where is the MythBuntu sound configuration?
[01:28] <bobbob1016_> I'm testing the Mythbuntu LiveCD, and I was wondering if anyone could help me determine which remote I have, or which would be close enough to use in the remote plugins thing.  I have a Sony Vaio RM-MC1 remote, came with my Vaio for MCE.  Is there a generic card I can use?
[01:35] <TelnetManta> anyone seen a problem where you cant "unlock" networking in mythbuntu?
[01:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !MCEUSB2
[01:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about MCEUSB2
[01:38] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !remotes
[01:38] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about remotes
[01:39] <tgm4883_laptop> !MCEUSB2 | bobbob1016_
[01:39] <Zinn> bobbob1016_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote
[01:39] <tgm4883_laptop> look there
[01:41] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, haven't seen it.  Which version?
[01:55] <dwf_starband> ok i was on a little bit ago, thought i had figured out my problem but i was wrong, how can i manualy configure my ip address on 8.4 alpha?
[01:59] <bmathis> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[01:59] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: 804
[02:00] <bmathis> via cli
[02:00] <dwf_starband> ok ill try that thank you
[02:01] <bobbob1016_> Zinn: I have this remote: http://www.replacementremotes.com/store/productdetailp.cfm?productid=5706  Not in the pictures on that link
[02:03] <dwf_starband> ok how can i know which network card im pluged into? I have the same ip set for both cards but only have a network cable going to one of them
[02:04] <bmathis> quick and easy method is to try enabling dhcp on both, then do an ifconfig to see which one has an ip address
[02:04] <bmathis> leaving only 1 plugged in
[02:04] <dwf_starband> ok, how do i edit that file for dhcp?
[02:05] <dwf_starband> just change out out the word static and insert the word dhcp?
[02:05] <dwf_starband> do i need to remove the addresses? or are they alright aslong as it says dhcp?
[02:05] <bmathis> pretty much... comment out the address, netmask, etc... settings
[02:05] <bmathis> comment with a #
[02:06] <dwf_starband> ok, thanks, ill try that
[02:07] <dwf_starband> ok do i need to restart anything? or will just saving the file automaticly change the settings?
[02:08] <bmathis> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:08] <dwf_starband> ok thanks
[02:12] <dwf_starband> ok i did that, firefox still cant find google.com
[02:12] <dwf_starband> i know it worked when i installed, it downloaded the listings
[02:14] <bmathis> can you ping google? or its ip <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:14] <dwf_starband> just type ping <IP_ADDRESS> in the cl?
[02:15] <bmathis> yup
[02:16] <bmathis> when you did ifconfig did any of your nics show a ip given from your dhcp server?
[02:16] <bmathis> if youre not sure try ifconfig | grep Bcast
[02:16] <dwf_starband> network unreachable, ok ill try that
[02:17] <dwf_starband> i typed that in and it just returned another prompt
[02:18] <bmathis> try doing "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" again
[02:18] <bmathis> if it just gave you another prompt then you dont have an ip
[02:20] <dwf_starband> still the same
[02:28] <dwf_starband> am i going to have to reinstall all over again?
[02:32] <bmathis> sorry, was talkin in another room... no need to reinstall, try this tutorial which has some pretty good info on it http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[02:33] <dwf_starband> ok thanks ill read up on it
[02:43] <dwf_starband> ok i dont know what network id or broadcast are
[02:49] <dwf_starband> ok i figured it out, it was leaving the line
[02:49] <dwf_starband> auto eht0
[02:49] <dwf_starband> out of the file
[02:49] <dwf_starband> um the line was
[02:49] <dwf_starband> auto eth0
[02:49] <dwf_starband> and
[02:49] <dwf_starband> auto eth1
[02:49] <dwf_starband> now its working, thanks
[02:51] <dwf_starband> ok, now that thats working, how do i add rsa host key for that to my main desktop?
[02:51] <dwf_starband> i just tried ssh and it said the rsa key had failed, im assuming because its a fresh install on an ip address it recognizes
[02:55] <dwf_starband> can i just deleat known hosts and start fresh?
[02:57] <bmathis> yes, you can delete known_hosts file from your machine
[02:57] <dwf_starband> ok thanks
[02:57] <bmathis> also, you do not have to put in the broadcast or anything like that, you just need address, netmask, and gateway for it to work correctly
[02:58] <dwf_starband> ok, cool, yeah i just had those three and they are working fine, it was just the line before the configuration that was missing, thanks
[02:58] <dwf_starband> im learning lots, thanks for your patience
[03:00] <bmathis> no problem
[03:06] <dwf_starband> ok next question, i just rebooted and it hung on startup, the bar went back and forth a couple of times and then stoped, and stayed there, i reset the computer and it did the same thing again
[03:07] <dwf_starband> never mind, i lied, it just looked like it hung, its starting now
[03:22] <Shadow__X> hello everyone i need to reconfigure mythtv-common but when i run sudo dpkg --configure mythtv-common that doesnt work
[03:23] <dwf_starband> where do i find the password i need for my frontend?
[03:42] <rhpot1991> !help
[03:42] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[04:07] <bmathis> dwf_starband: the mysql password is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[04:13] <bobbob1016_> How do I add a folder I added in fstab to my Video Recordings menu?
[04:16] <bmathis> you can change the dir in Utilities/Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings
[04:16] <bobbob1016_> How can I add a folder to Mythbuntu that has media, and have it show up in my video option?  I added the folder via NFS already, I can manually browse it, but I can't browse it throught the gui
[04:18] <bmathis> you should be able to see it if you change the location of where the videos are stored (the settings that I just gave you) or create a symbolic link between the /var/lib/mythtv/videos folder and where you have your share
[04:25] <Shadow__X> i installed the mythtv-front end package but i cant not access the db from my backend the backend is running mythbuntu and using the control center i enabled the mysql service
[04:26] <bmathis> did you enter the mysql password from the backend on the frontend?
[04:26] <Shadow__X> yes
[04:26] <bmathis> and the ip address for the backend?
[04:26] <Shadow__X> yup
[04:26] <bmathis> have you checked the logs on both machines?
[04:34] <Shadow__X> it says it cant find the backend
[15:42] <bartmon> Hi! I0m considering building an HTPC that boots quickly (from a CF card). Because of this, "disk" space is an issue. How much space is needed for the install? Media storage will be provided via network.
[15:45] <NTolerance> bartmon: my mythbuntu install w/ full gnome and xfce environments takes up 3.3GB of space
[15:46] <superm1> bartmon, for just a frontend in the xfce env around a gig
[15:46] <NTolerance> my system is a full blown everything, desktop and backend/frontend
[15:50] <Shadow__X> hello everyone
[15:50] <NTolerance> yo
[15:51] <bartmon> Thanks, NTolerance and superm1. I'll probably go ahead with a 2GB card then.
[15:52] <superm1> bartmon, my only warning with a 2gb card is be conservative about what else you add to the install, and be sure to regularly clean out old kernels when you do updates and stuff
[15:52] <superm1> and cached apt archives etc
[15:53] <laga> and make sure the database doesnt get too large...
[15:53] <laga> 4GB shoudn't be a lot more expensive, tho
[15:53] <NTolerance> yeah, 4GB CF is cheap
[15:53] <bartmon> I guess 4 GB would also mean future proofing stuff.
[15:53] <NTolerance> even 8GB is cheap
[15:54] <NTolerance> newegg sells 8GB CFs for $26
[15:55] <bartmon> now that's cheap
[15:56] <bartmon> in my country (i'm european) the cheapest one is 35€
[15:56] <Shadow__X> and around 10 bucks for a cf to ide
[15:56] <bartmon> have those ;)
[15:56] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[15:58] <jphillip> keep in mind the recomended ubuntu install partition is 7gb, so (like others have said) you will need to keep up on the system yourself
[15:58] <bartmon> i guess xfce is the way to go + swap off
[15:58] <Shadow__X> you could uninstall alot of stuff
[15:58] <NTolerance> i wish i could install mythbuntu without XFCE
[15:59] <Shadow__X> you could install gnome
[15:59] <Shadow__X> and uninstall xfce
[15:59] <bartmon> yeah, *ubuntu comes with a lot of preinstalled apps. I guess archlinux is an option but that's just too frustrating
[15:59] <Shadow__X> if the primairy purpose is a myth box xfce would be a good chice
[16:00] <Shadow__X> you could do xubuntu comes with less stuff
[16:00] <NTolerance> i installed mythbuntu on top of regular ubuntu
[16:00] <NTolerance> but mythbuntu depends on xfce, i don't want apt complaining about it
[16:01] <NTolerance> Shadow__X: my myth box is beefy though, i don't care if gnome takes more resources
[16:01] <Shadow__X> so then install away
[16:01] <Shadow__X> lol
[16:01] <NTolerance> more RAM is really the only consideration, and 2GB is dirt cheap these days
[16:02] <Shadow__X> 4gb is cheap
[16:02] <NTolerance> yeah
[16:04] <bartmon> is mythbuntu x86_32 only?
[16:05] <Shadow__X> i run 64bit
[16:05] <jphillip> bartmon no its not
[16:06] <Shadow__X> how do i get the mythtv plugin in totem on a regular ubuntu install
[16:06] <bartmon> i gues a silly question from me. since all ubuntu flavours are also 64 bit maintaining a 64 bit mythpc package isn't a biggie :)
[16:07] <NTolerance> Shadow__X: apt://totem-plugins-extra
[16:07] <Shadow__X> thanks
[16:07] <NTolerance> not many people like totem, but i think it's great
[16:07] <Shadow__X> i like it
[16:07] <NTolerance> nothing beats the old media player classic interface
[16:07] <NTolerance> microsoft got that right back in win2k
[16:07] <NTolerance> that's basically what it is
[16:08] <Shadow__X> with totem i can watch youtube videos if i need to but going to that site doesnt work well on this computer
[16:08] <NTolerance> gotta get totem-xine though, totem-gstreamer is no good
[16:08] <Shadow__X> ah
[16:08] <NTolerance> funny thing is that you can have both installed at once, which is odd
[16:08] <NTolerance> i always remove totem-gstreamer
[16:08] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[16:09] <NTolerance> only totem-xine can play dvds w/ menu support
[16:09] <Shadow__X> ah alright
[16:09] <bartmon> i find that vlc produces least load when compared to mplayer and totem-gstreamer. haven't tried totem-xine though
[16:09] <Shadow__X> this laptop is 600 mhz i have to be selective :D
[16:10] <NTolerance> i have a serious love/hate relationship w/ vlc
[16:10] <NTolerance> it's codec support is great, but that's really all it's got
[16:10] <bartmon> the interface is questionable, true
[16:10] <NTolerance> the interface is bad, i hate how it "minimizes" when you're not playing a video
[16:10] <Shadow__X> yeah also watch a hd movie on it over the network
[16:10] <NTolerance> window should stay the same size instead of moving around
[16:10] <NTolerance> AND, it doesn't pause/resume properly, there's a lag delay
[16:10] <NTolerance> really annoying
[16:11] <Shadow__X> mhm have you tried streaming a hd movie on it or streaming anything
[16:11] <bartmon> what does mythbuntu use then?
[16:11] <Shadow__X> that doesnt work out all that well
[16:12] <jphillip> HD over wifi is a big nono
[16:12] <NTolerance> i use mplayer with the myth frontend
[16:12] <NTolerance> but totem-xine when i'm playing videos on the desktop
[16:13] <bartmon> well wifi 802.11g only has 27 Mb/s so it's a stretch for HD
[16:13] <Shadow__X> i have shitty wireless n stupid broadcom
[16:13] <bartmon> BTW, 54Mb/s is the combined upstream and downstream bandwidth
[16:13] <bartmon> another marketing trick
[16:14] <bartmon> it's like saying regular ethernet is 200MB/s
[16:14] <Shadow__X> how about wireless n bartmon
[16:14] <NTolerance> wireless FTL, i like having CAT5 all over my baseboards, makes a man feel good
[16:14] <NTolerance> can't go wrong w/ gigabit
[16:14] <Shadow__X> lol i love Gb
[16:14] <bartmon> Shadow__X: don't know, don't have any n equipment
[16:15] <NTolerance> network drives might as well be local drives over gigabit
[16:15] <Shadow__X> so how do i setup the mythtv plugin in totem
[16:15] <NTolerance> you can max out your HDD write speeds
[16:15] <Shadow__X> mhm
[16:15] <NTolerance> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4890719
[16:15] <jphillip> bartmon good luck getting anythign near 27 as well
[16:16] <jphillip> real world 12-15 is good
[16:16] <bartmon> so in fact almost 2MB/s. what are typical bitrates for HD?
[16:17] <NTolerance> anyone here ever done a restore from a failed mythtv install?
[16:17] <jphillip> Shadow__X in theory n can do HD, but its still draft so you need to be careful about hardware
[16:17] <NTolerance> like when a HDD dies
[16:17] <jphillip> NTolerance you should be able to just reinstall and restore the DB
[16:17] <NTolerance> right, i did it and it was awesome, i just wondered if anyone else had done it
[16:17] <NTolerance> my HDD was dying
[16:17] <Shadow__X> jphillip, yeah but as a rule of thumb you stay away from broadcom which is what my laptop has for n i am going to get a intel n card
[16:17] <jphillip> I've done it when switching hardware
[16:18] <NTolerance> i backed up the database and recordings dir, this was an ancient feisty/gutsy install
[16:18] <jphillip> eh, broadcom has linux drivers
[16:18] <bartmon> NTolerance: In those cases i always try a tool called SpinRite. Usually it improves the fitness of a drive so i can at least copy it to another destination
[16:18] <NTolerance> installed hardy and mythbuntu, copied over the recordings dir, restored database = WIN
[16:18] <jphillip> stay with broadcom, atheros or intel
[16:18] <jphillip> Shadow__X you need to use gconf to tell it where your server is at
[16:19] <NTolerance> intel has the best linux drivers for anything, video, wireless, chipset, etc..
[16:19] <Shadow__X> yeah i just saw that
[16:19] <Shadow__X> jphillip, you think broadcom n is good?
[16:20] <NTolerance> broadcom on linux?  surely you jest
[16:20] <jphillip> not n
[16:20] <jphillip> just broadcom in general has support
[16:20] <bartmon> i have a Gigabit ethernet adapter from broadcom and it works great
[16:20] <jphillip> my router has broadcom in it, which runs linux
[16:20] <laga> broadcom wireless? *shiver*
[16:21] <jphillip> I'm stuck on a 2.4 kernel though
[16:21] <laga> yeah, because there's no driver for 2.6 AFAIK
[16:21] <NTolerance> ethernet != wireless
[16:21] <Shadow__X> yeah i know OTHER stuff works but not broadcom n
[16:21] <laga> g2g
[16:21] <Shadow__X> sure it will work
[16:21] <jphillip> laga I think there is one, but it segfaults
[16:21] <Shadow__X> as in get a connection
[16:21] <Shadow__X> but not work WELL
[16:22] <jphillip> also asus uses broadcom and I have a mancrush on asus
[16:22] <jphillip> in their routers at least
[16:23] <Shadow__X> i like the look of asus routers havnt had one myself
[16:23] <jphillip> I have 2 500gP's and I love them
[16:23] <NTolerance> shame that buffalo got sued
[16:23] <jphillip> easily flashable, has usb for expansion and pretty cheap
[16:24] <NTolerance> buffalo w/ DD-WRT = quality
[16:24] <jphillip> why did they get sued?
[16:24] <Shadow__X> how much is a 500gp
[16:24] <NTolerance> linksys WRT54GL ain't bad either, you can flash to DD-WRT w/ the web gui
[16:24] <jphillip> Shadow__X normal price is something like $80 some, but newegg has had them on sale downwards near $50-60
[16:25] <NTolerance> http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/buffalo-technology-halts-802-11a-g-sales-u-s/2007-11-01
[16:25] <Shadow__X> hmm nice i will have to look at that
[16:25] <jphillip> I prefer openwrt, don't really like how dd-wrt is closed and sold out to buffalo
[16:25] <Shadow__X> hmm
[16:26] <Shadow__X> totem doesnt want to play the any of my recordings
[16:26] <NTolerance> you got all the gstreamer codecs?
[16:27] <Shadow__X> saying totem could not play .mpg there is no input plugin to handle the location of this movie
[16:27] <NTolerance> can you play other MPEG-2 files?
[16:28] <Shadow__X> uh i will try
[16:33] <Shadow__X> NTolerance, yeah i can watch a previous recording from another computer that i mounted
[16:34] <superm1> Shadow__X, actually i've got something for you regarding broadcom N if you want to experiment
[16:34] <superm1> that should help
[16:35] <Shadow__X> well i am not on that computer now but i would still like to hear it
[16:35] <NTolerance> Shadow__X: not sure at this point, i haven't set up the totem mythtv plugin =\
[16:35] <superm1> Shadow__X, so there is a currently (proprietary) broadcom driver that has been put together
[16:36] <superm1> and is enabled currently (in 2.6.24-19) for hardware exclusively supported by the driver - broadcom g newer 4312 based hardware
[16:36] <superm1> in 2.6.24-20 there is a newer version
[16:36] <superm1> it should support all the older broadcom hardware
[16:36] <superm1> and multiple of the "N" adapters
[16:37] <superm1> so if you wanted to try it, i'll give you a quick overview of whats involved
[16:37] <Shadow__X> hmm sure sounds good i hate windows lol
[16:37] <superm1> so you'll need to first figure out if your device is claimed by b43, b44, ssb, b43legacy, any of that
[16:37] <superm1> just check lsmod output
[16:38] <superm1> if any of those are listed, you'll need to create a blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d to blacklist any of those that were listed
[16:38] <Shadow__X> alright
[16:38] <superm1> then activate hardy-proposed
[16:38] <superm1> and do a dist-upgrade.  you'll get a new kernel, new linux-ubuntu-modules, new linux-restricted-modules
[16:38] <superm1> the broadcom driver is in the new linux-restricted-modules
[16:39] <superm1> you should be able to reboot into the new kernel and have functional wireless if it turns out your card is supported.  i've experimented with a handful of the older broadcom cards (that weren't supported before, but were only G), and it works wonderfully
[16:39] <superm1> I don't have any N cards that i've been able to test w/ however
[16:40] <NTolerance> speaking of kernel upgrades, i installed a special ethernet driver from a launchpad PPA
[16:40] <Shadow__X> hmm alright well before the bcm43xx never worked so i used ndiswrapper
[16:40] <NTolerance> if i install a new kernel update will it break my ethernet?
[16:40] <NTolerance> it was a deb file i downloaded
[16:40] <superm1> Shadow__X, well you might have to deactiavte ndiswrapper for a little bit too while you experiment
[16:40] <superm1> i'm not sure how it will bode with all this in place
[16:40] <superm1> you need to make sure that "wl" is able to claim the device with nothing in the way
[16:40] <NTolerance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/212497
[16:41] <Shadow__X> superm1, yeah i know that both cant be on but i dont have linux currently on that machine
[16:41] <superm1> NTolerance, LBM shouldn't break anything.  worst case scenario, you just uninstall it again
[16:41] <superm1> "shouldn't" :P
[16:42] <NTolerance> LBM?
[16:42] <superm1> linux-backports-modules
[16:42] <superm1> what that guy posted
[16:42] <NTolerance> ah
[16:42] <NTolerance> install it again or uninstall it again?
[16:42] <superm1> Shadow__X, well that makes this more complicated.  you won't be able to test it unless you can do a full install at this point :)
[16:42] <Shadow__X> lol i know and understand that
[16:42] <Shadow__X> lol
[16:42] <NTolerance> also, install/uninstall what, the kernel update or the .deb driver i got
[16:43] <superm1> NTolerance, that deb you got.  if things don't work out with it, you'll be able to just remove the package from apt
[16:43] <NTolerance> the deb works great, in fact it makes my ethernet work
[16:43] <NTolerance> the current kernel has a broken ethernet driver for my card
[16:43] <NTolerance> so i can install this deb on top of a new kernel
[16:43] <NTolerance> if i get a kernel update
[16:44] <NTolerance> seems like the deb is made for a certain kernel version, 2.6.24-19.17
[16:46] <NTolerance> i didn't add the PPA to my sources.list, i just installed the deb
[16:46] <NTolerance> remove rush
[16:46] <NTolerance> asfdfs
[16:46] <NTolerance> wrong window
[16:55] <Shadow__X> well using vlc the shows play
[16:56] <Shadow__X> you need to have gstreamer fluendo mpeg2 demuxing plugin installed
[16:58] <superm1> NTolerance, yeah it is only for the -19 ABI.  When you install -20, you need a new deb
[16:58] <superm1> really the best solution is to isolate the patch that solves the issue
[16:58] <superm1> and get the kernel guys to add it into the next kernel
[16:59] <NTolerance> thx, superm1 I will avoid kernel upgrades for now
[16:59] <NTolerance> is there anything i can do other than posting on launchpad reports?
[16:59] <NTolerance> i'm not a dev but i'm pretty good at testing things and reporting issues
[17:00] <superm1> well the smaller the patch the more likely they'll look at it.
[17:00] <superm1> i'm not sure what their preferable workflow is to be honest
[17:01] <NTolerance> what i've done should be enough, can't do much more than post in bug reports so they know what's going on
[17:01] <superm1> you can ask in#ubuntu-bugs
[17:01] <superm1> what the best thing to do to get their attention that a fix is available
[17:59] <sabhain> Is there a big risk to diverting from default video / DVD settings?  Such as .. playback options / menus .. etc?
[18:00] <sabhain> I'm encountering difficulties with some DVD's and their backups not playing, spitting me back to menu, or crashing the mythfrontend entirely.  But in most cases, I can play the iso from MPlayer directly ...
[18:00] <Shadow__X> hmm are you sure your drive isnt dieing
[18:00] <Shadow__X> happened to me before
[18:00] <sabhain> brand new drive .. actually.  And if I play in older PC's .. the DVD doesn't play at all ..
[18:01] <sabhain> but was able to iso it to try it from file .. same result
[18:01] <sabhain> got a good iso .. but file will crash the frontend
[18:01] <Shadow__X> hmm
[18:01] <Shadow__X> did you install all the codecs?
[18:02] <sabhain> a real pain in the a$$ .. my WAF is riding high .. and this is starting to erode that.
[18:02] <Shadow__X> lol
[18:02] <Shadow__X> dont worry you will get it
[18:02] <sabhain> yep .. all the codecs .. updated recently to be sure .. really only have the problem on a few specific discs .. which I had written off until I discoverd that MPlayer would play them the other day ..
[18:02] <Shadow__X> make sure you can watch the dvd itself in the drive using mplayer or something like that
[18:03] <Shadow__X> vlc or totem
[18:03] <sabhain> so now I'm after a one size fits all config .. yeah .. it'll play in MPlayer ..
[18:03] <Shadow__X> hmm
[18:04] <Shadow__X> you can try using that in the mythtv settings
[18:04] <Shadow__X> that should work then
[18:04] <Shadow__X> i wouldnt know i couldnt test to much my current dvd drive is gone
[18:04] <Shadow__X> the dvd lens is shot
[18:04] <Shadow__X> it wont burn dvd's and it stopped reading cd's
[18:05] <sabhain> my plan for tonight .. what happens with the mythtv "options" for playback then .. like root menu, subtitles, audio tracks .. etc?  Is that all unaffected by the playback settings?
[18:05] <Shadow__X> i am not sure
[18:05] <Shadow__X> just take a screenshot of the original settings
[18:06] <zabbadapp> sabhain:  it is easy to change the default player in myth  ... I have mplayer for anything but *.iso/img (because I want dvd-menus so I use the myth internal which is ok for me) ... only small problem is to make decent remote key configurations for the new external player (i spend many hours perfecting my mplayer remote keys)
[18:06] <NTolerance> xine does a good job with DVD menus, i used that back when i played DVDs in mythtv
[18:07] <NTolerance> now i use a PS3
[18:07] <sabhain> zabbadapp .. so the dvd-menus are only available w/ the internal menus .. I was afraid of that.  When you play an iso .. myth picks it up as a DVD correctly?
[18:07] <Shadow__X> NTolerance, do you have linux on your psr
[18:07] <Shadow__X> ps3?
[18:07] <NTolerance> Shadow__X: thought about it, but it requires a HDD wipe and i didn't want to much around w/ backing up save files
[18:08] <zabbadapp> sabhain: well, you can use xine or vlc, which both support dvd menus, if you want an alternative to the internal player
[18:08] <NTolerance> also, the PS3 only has 256MB of RAM so it makes for a pretty poor linux system
[18:08] <NTolerance> with my mythbox sitting right next to it i have the perfect computer for my HDTV anyways :D
[18:08] <Shadow__X> i thought it was 256 cpu 256 gpu
[18:08] <Shadow__X> and also it has a simple menu for wipping the hd and you can use external hds
[18:08] <NTolerance> GPU is locked down by the hypervisor anyways, linux can't use it
[18:08] <Shadow__X> thats stupid
[18:09] <Shadow__X> i want a super computer for cheap
[18:09] <sabhain> zabbadapp .. thanks.  Is it unusual for the internal DVD player to struggle with certain DVD's and not others?
[18:09] <NTolerance> yeah, it's to prevent devs from making free games that can use the GPU
[18:09] <NTolerance> another thing is that even yellow dog for the PS3 doesn't have much set up out of the box for the PS3, you gotta muck w/ wireless drivers and other PS3 hardware
[18:09] <NTolerance> not worth the effort
[18:10] <Shadow__X> hmm but NTolerance  if they ever open it up so you can run stuff on it
[18:10] <zabbadapp> sabhain: and yes, iso:s are dvd images (usually) so myth treat them just like a dvd ... I did have problems with one dvd, and I could fool it by pressing the "root menu" key on my remote to jump past the troublesome part
[18:10] <Shadow__X> the free games you can make on it would be freaking awesome
[18:10] <NTolerance> emulators too
[18:10] <bartmon> lol, xfs really fragments files:
[18:10] <bartmon> ino=201326725
[18:10] <bartmon> extents before:6701 after:1 DONE ino=201326725
[18:10] <NTolerance> one day i hope there's a really polished PS3 distro that is really optimized, maybe with XFCE
[18:11] <Shadow__X> with full access to the nvidia card
[18:11] <Shadow__X> :D
[18:11] <zabbadapp> sabhain: ... if I just let i play it would hang in the beginning ... but i find myths internal player to be a really good dvd-player over all .. supports custom zoom modes and has a decent deinterlacer
[18:13] <bartmon> i usually get very poor dvd playback if any at all on ubuntu. Is this (somewhat) remedied in mythbuntu?
[18:13] <sabhain> zabbadapp .. yep, I agree.  I like the internal player a lot .. I wonder if your solution might work for me .. how do you get around the hang?
[18:13] <zabbadapp> bartmon: what is the problem
[18:14] <sabhain> zabbadapp .. did you just add a jump point to DVD root menu?  can that be done?
[18:14] <zabbadapp> sabhain: for me it was something in the very beginning, so jumping to a later section of the dvd as fast as possible when playback started avoided the problem area ... may not work for you
[18:15] <Shadow__X> NTolerance, the ps3 has so much power and a good amount of people are trying to unleash it
[18:15] <zabbadapp> sabhain: some of the myth-keys are dvd-control keys when in the internal player ... look at the key settings web page of your mythweb ...
[18:16] <bartmon> zabbadapp: The UFS FS seems to mount but any player i try to play the movie with doesn't cooperate. sometimes i just get spinups and spidowns of the DVD, really strange. One such movie is the latest Bond, Casino Royale.
[18:16] <zabbadapp> sabhain: (i find the web interface to be easier to configure than the key setup within mythfrontend)
[18:16] <sabhain> zabbadapp .. this is the issue that I have when it happens .. right at the beginning of the disc.  If I'm using the DVD itself, it just blanks out .. with an iso it hangs .. but we're talking immediately at the beginning.
[18:16] <bartmon> It's made by Sony so that means some strange DRM on the disc
[18:17] <sabhain> bartmon .. strange, I had no issues with that one .. Unbreakable is the one that's driving me nuts.
[18:18] <zabbadapp> can you play any commercial dvds? (i.e. do you have decss)
[18:19] <bartmon> just now... i tried Serenity and all i get in totem-gstreamer is Could not read from resource
[18:22] <bartmon> i better go to #ubuntu, lol. no DVD wants to play :S
[18:22] <Shadow__X> hmm
[18:22] <Shadow__X> lol
[18:24] <bartmon> i hate these legal restrictions you americans have - i'm european and don't care, lol :P
[18:24] <zabbadapp> bartmon: hang on, im looking for a script
[18:24] <bartmon> i got this https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html
[18:25] <jphillip> bartmon https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[18:25] <Shadow__X> bartmon, the more legal restrictions the more it encourages users to break those restrictions
[18:25] <bartmon> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:25] <bartmon> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:25] <bartmon> is only available from another source
[18:25] <bartmon> sorry for flood
[18:26] <bartmon> my repos are misconfigured it would seem
[18:26] <Shadow__X> medibuntu
[18:26] <zabbadapp> bartmon:  http://www.medibuntu.org/packages.php
[18:26] <Shadow__X> i am pretty sure it was there
[18:26] <bartmon> yes... i found some wiki pages about it
[18:27] <Shadow__X> mhm
[18:27] <Shadow__X> i am impressed with how mythtv fe handles sd over wireless on this slow laptop
[18:29] <bartmon> definitely onto something here! :D
[18:29] <Shadow__X> who
[18:30] <bartmon> me :P
[18:31] <Shadow__X> ah
[18:31] <Shadow__X> thats good
[18:42] <sebrock> If root is logged in to a machine using SSH, is the local user (the one actually sitting in front of that machine) able to shut down the box or not?
[18:43] <sebrock> ie forcing root to drop connection
[18:43] <zabbadapp> is FLV encoding for web-streaming working out of the box with mythbuntu 8.04?
[18:44] <jphillip> sebrock if the sudo then yes
[18:44] <NTolerance> i've never seen an SSH connection that would prevent the local user from doing anything
[18:44] <NTolerance> local root > remote root ?
[18:44] <jphillip> it should spam a warning into terminals
[18:44] <jphillip> "warning this machine is going down for a reboot now!" or something like that
[18:46] <sebrock> jphillip, not sudo, just the general "Shutdown" button in menu
[18:46] <sebrock> the local user is not root
[18:48] <sebrock> because yesterday when I was about to shutdown my mythbuntu box (which had a remote root logged in), it just went to the login menu and not shutting down, this happened several times.
[18:48] <sebrock> Im just trying to figure out why
[18:49] <NTolerance> sebrock: if you log out the ssh session does the behavior change immediately?
[18:50] <sebrock> Havnt tried yet, but I will when I get home
[18:50] <sebrock> But I remember having some other issue with shutdown and mythbuntu before
[18:50] <sebrock> cant remember what tho
[18:53] <jphillip> sebrock that I'm not sure about
[18:54] <sebrock> Well I can find out later
[19:20] <s34n> I downloaded the mythbuntu alternate cd iso, but I haven't been able to boot it on 3 different computers
[19:20] <s34n> I've tried different acpi boot options, etc.
[19:21] <s34n> but, after choose "Install" to goes to a black screen with a cursor blinking in the upper left corner and stays there
[19:23] <s34n> has anybody else had problems booting the alternate cd?
[19:23] <Shadow__X> check the disc for errors
[19:23] <s34n> when I try to Check Media (or whatever) it goes to the same black screen
[19:23] <bobbob1016> I have a few folders mounted via NFS, and they worked fine yesterday, but now MythTV can't play video from them, it stays at loading...  I can play the video through the filemanager and vlc though.  I did just install the ATI drivers, could it be if it's using mplayer as a background that mplayer isn't setup for fglrx?
[19:24] <s34n> Shadow__X: the memory check works, but the other options black screen on me
[19:24] <Shadow__X> hmm i would say your image is probably messed up
[19:24] <Shadow__X> maybe that is
[19:24] <s34n> Shadow__X: the md5sum on my iso image looks good before burn
[19:25] <Shadow__X> hmm
[19:25] <Shadow__X> do md5 of the burned image
[19:25] <s34n> hmmm... I'll see if I can figure out how to do that.
[19:26] <Shadow__X> yeah hmm
[19:26] <Shadow__X> what version are you installing
[19:27] <Shadow__X> and does another distro livecd work
[19:27] <s34n> yes. other livecds work
[19:27] <Shadow__X> hmm
[19:27] <Shadow__X> what version are you trying
[19:27] <s34n> I'm working with mythbuntu 8.04.1
[19:27] <s34n> ubuntu 8.04 boots fine
[19:28] <Shadow__X> hmm
[19:28] <s34n> off livecd
[19:28] <Shadow__X> there wasnt mof of a difference
[19:29] <s34n> should |md5sum /dev/cdrom| give me the same sum as the pre-burn iso?
[19:29] <Shadow__X> hmm
[19:30] <Shadow__X> maybe
[19:30] <Shadow__X> techinically i guess if you extracted the iso image the resulting files should have the same md5
[19:30] <Shadow__X> but hey just check is now
[19:31] <s34n> Shadow__X: ?
[19:31] <Shadow__X> yeah
[19:31] <Shadow__X> i am not sure
[19:31] <Shadow__X> lol
[19:34] <s34n> has anyone had _success_ booting the 8.04.1 mythbuntu alternate cd?
[19:36] <Shadow__X> i botted the live cd
[19:42] <s34n> Shadow__X: the md5sum on the cd doesn't match
[19:43] <s34n> Shadow__X: making an iso off of my burn results in an iso that matches the cd
[19:43] <s34n> so I guess the burn went bad
[19:43] <Shadow__X> mhm
[19:50] <s34n> new burn matches md5sum
[19:50] <s34n> now to test boot...
[19:51] <Shadow__X> yay
[19:53] <s34n> much better
[19:53] <Shadow__X> glad to hear it
[21:12] <Shadow__X_> eh stupid cable
[21:17] <bobbob1016> I'm trying to setup mythflix, and I can't find an up to date tutorial/readme.  I found one saying that the error I was getting was because my syntax was for an older mythflix, but I can't find one that doesn't give me that error.  Does anyone have a good tutorial/readme?
[21:17] <DogBoy> hehe, now I find out I need an ir-transmitter
[23:10] <DogBoy> I want to run mythbuntu on my desktop machine, using my 8:5 monitor when doing desktop stuff but when using myth tv-out using svideo from nv 7300le
[23:10] <DogBoy> can't seem to configure it where both are working ok though
[23:18] <Shadow__X> have you used the nvidia settings program
[23:18] <DogBoy> yes
[23:18] <Shadow__X> will it output to 2 displays after that
[23:19] <DogBoy> yes but then the widescreen monitor is at like 640 x 480
[23:19] <DogBoy> can't figure a way to have both
[23:20] <DogBoy> 1440x900 and 640 x 480 on the tv
[23:20] <Shadow__X> set it to those resolutions and save it to the xorg file
[23:24] <DogBoy> ok, lemme try that


 One of the old people..
[08:29] <Kilos> mail all the old ones and tell them to come meet me
[08:29] <Kilos> maybe i can get some moivated
[08:29] <Kilos> motivated
[08:30] <Kilos> how are you going to manage reverification
[08:30] <elacheche> They are too busy @work.. Many of them are CEO and CTO at big companies x)
[08:30] <Kilos> cos have more time than working peeps so thats no excuse
[08:30] <elacheche> Kilos, I managed the last Re-approval almost alone, I believe that I can manage this one too..
[08:30] <Kilos> ceos
[08:30] <elacheche> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-tn/2015-June/014389.html
[08:31] <elacheche> Kilos, you know what's the most important lesson that I learned from the community!
[08:31] <Kilos> what?
[08:33] <elacheche> Never, ever, ask someone to come and help! If he's motivated and care about the community & have spare time he'll show up by him self..
[08:33] <elacheche> I was asking everybody to contribute and help for years now.. And I'm sick of that..
[08:33] <Kilos> no man you dont ask for help, you tell them to come join the fun
[08:33] <elacheche> Kilos, they don't think that it's funny anymore..
[08:34] <Kilos> how old are these guys
[08:35] <elacheche> I do believe that it's funny, and I LOVE IT.. So I start working alone, when someone wanna join I'll be happy :) And I know that new people will join when I focus on contributing not looking for old people..
[08:35] <Kilos> you need to tell them to come meet new people and help expand the africa linux connection
[08:36] <elacheche> They are not very old >=40 I guess.. But they work in the IT domain as professional, and believe me, it's not the same to work as a professional and try to work for the community.. Process are not the same..
[08:36] <Kilos> being on irc shouldnt be seen as work
[08:37] <Kilos> i bet they all on facebook and twitter
[08:37] <elacheche> Kilos, some people wanna join the community only when there is good projects, especially technical ones..
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:38] <Kilos> well
[08:39] <elacheche> Anyway.. For the moment I stop looking for any one, I wasted many hours and energy on trying to make them active again.. My goal is to use that time and energy in something useful..
[08:39] <elacheche> They say "Work hard in silence, let your success be your noise."
[08:39] <elacheche> That's what I'll do..
[08:39] <elacheche> Not really :)
[08:39] <Kilos> its a shame
[08:39] <elacheche> I'll send news to my team about the work in progress
[08:40] <Kilos> so then its up to the new guy to recruit peeps at varsities and schools
[08:41] <elacheche> Yep :)
[08:42] <Kilos> i said he can improve our wiki page as he sees fit
[08:42] <Kilos> i hope neo doesnt get upset
[08:42] <elacheche> I was leading the Loco for 3 years now.. We made many mistakes.. I learned my lessons, and I'm trying to not doing the same mistakes again..
[08:43] <Kilos> its so sad, i hate seeing existing structures falling apar
[08:43] <Kilos> t
[08:44] <elacheche> Kilos, don't misunderstand me, I wasn't talking about Neo31.. Neo31 just got a new job, if I don't support him when he's busy because of his new job I'll not be a good friend.
[08:44] <Kilos> correct
[08:46] <elacheche> I have an off-topic question :D
[08:46] <Kilos> there is no topic here
[08:46] <elacheche> Don't you like to learn some programming & scripting skills? :D
[08:46] <Kilos> we are the topic
[08:46] <Kilos> i have tried elacheche  but my ram is damaged
[08:47] <Kilos> i would love to be able to code
[08:48] <elacheche> You can learn without doing anything on your PC.. Some sites just gives you everything in your browser, the editor + the execution.. No harm :)
[08:48] <elacheche> Wanna try?
[08:48] <Kilos> lol you sound like melodie now
[08:48] <elacheche> hahaha :D
[08:49] <elacheche> That's not weird :D I'm African, but have a some French culture.. :)
[08:49] <Kilos> haha
[08:50] <elacheche> Go and try this → http://www.codecademy.com/
[08:50] <Kilos> ok
[08:50] <elacheche> You can login using you Google Account or twitter :)
[08:50] <elacheche> Chose a language than try the first example :)
[08:50] <Kilos> ai!
[08:51] <Kilos> everything is register and login stuff
[08:51]  * pieter2627 is very happy to see someone was able to help Kilos to try some coding
[08:51] <Kilos> lol pieter2627  he has won yet
[08:51] <pieter2627> hoo hoo, go oom Kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> haha
[08:52] <elacheche> The site track your progress.. So next time you do more advanced things :)
[08:52] <Kilos> he hasnt won yet
[08:52] <pieter2627> no no, already said he has :p
[08:52] <Kilos> nono man i must rather try do some stuff on lp
[08:52] <Kilos> my karma is disappearing
[08:53] <elacheche> don't be lazy Kilos :) When you learn scripting you'll be able to help scripting things on lp ;)
[08:53] <Kilos> sigh
[08:53] <elacheche> BTW, I already scripted a python code that fetch and sort karma from a LP group :)
[08:54] <Kilos> im a irc greeter bot man
[08:54] <elacheche> When I'll make it public you should be able to read it :)
[08:54] <elacheche> :p
[08:54] <Kilos> the new applicant has massive karma
[08:55] <Kilos> over 1400
[08:55] <Kilos> mine is 14
[08:55] <elacheche> pieter2627, I'd like to share this with you exercism.io I know about it 5 hours ago.. It's nice.. There is this too https://trueability.com/assessments but the assessments and challenges are broken for the moment..
[08:55]  * pieter2627 remembers the bot saying many times 'you learn something new everyday'
[08:55] <Kilos> lol
[08:56] <elacheche> Kilos, contributing in Wiki + irc is not counted in the LP ;)
[08:56] <elacheche> o/ Neo31 :)
[08:56] <Kilos> i know
[08:56] <Kilos> Neo31  wb old man
[08:57] <Kilos> elacheche  if you want to do something clever write a python script to get karma on lp from irc
[08:57] <Neo31> hey
[08:57] <Neo31> what's up guys
[08:57] <Neo31> gm
[08:58] <Neo31> hhhh
[08:58] <elacheche> Kilos, that's my plan :) ;)
[08:59] <Kilos> we just amble along Neo31  whats up by you?
[09:01] <Neo31> alive
[09:01] <Neo31> or dead
[09:01] <Neo31> idk
[09:02] <Kilos> whew
[09:02] <Neo31> my brain isn't working as it is supposed to be
[09:02] <Neo31> could I be a zombie in ramadhan ? ^^
[09:02] <Neo31> ping elacheche
[09:02] <Kilos> lol
[09:04] <elacheche> hahaha Neo31, need coffee my friend?
[09:05] <Neo31> not really, i managed to make it almost no requirement for my metabolism packages :p
[09:05] <elacheche> x)=
[09:12] <Neo31> how r u doing without coffee elacheche ?
[09:12] <elacheche> Neo31, I stopped it before 15days :)
[09:13] <Neo31> wow!!
[09:13] <Neo31> congrats elacheche
[09:13] <Neo31> i think it's harder than stopping smoking :p
[09:14] <elacheche> es it is x)
[09:57] <Kilos> hi Guest84694
[11:54] <elacheche> Kilos, http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml
[12:09] <Kilos> hi coco1
[12:10] <Kilos> crazy hey elacheche
[12:10] <Kilos> some peeps try anything to make money
[12:15] <elacheche> yep
[12:40] <superfly> I've found a few people selling my open source software on eBay
[12:41] <elacheche> x)
[12:41] <elacheche> superfly, technically Open Source dosn't mean that I can't sell it :p
[12:43] <superfly> elacheche: totally. I haven't done anything about these guys
[15:00] <coco1> ..
[15:44] <dupingping> The awesome software is published, You can use the trial version of Sticky Notes.
[15:44] <dupingping> http://korsoftware.com
[15:44] <Kilos> hi dupingping
[15:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[15:46] <Kilos> where are you?
[15:46] <Kilos> hi coco1
[15:49] <coco1> Hi Kilos: excuse me I wasn't free
[15:49] <Kilos> not a problem
[15:49] <Kilos> i greet everyone, if they greet back i smile
[15:50] <coco1> Ok thks :-D
[15:50] <Kilos> :D
[16:22] <ariabbas> .
[16:22] <Kilos> ariabbas  hi
[16:23] <ariabbas> ;-) Kilos
[16:23] <ariabbas> hi all :)
[16:25] <Kilos> :D
[16:25] <Kilos> we got a new guy here
[16:26] <Kilos> dupingping  :)
[16:26] <dupingping> :)
[16:26] <Kilos> dupingping  where are you?
[16:26] <Kilos> we are all over
[16:28] <Kilos> some in south africa , some in tunisia and cameroon etc
[16:43] <dupingping> Kilos, I like africa
[16:44] <Kilos> cool
[16:44] <Kilos> have you looked at the links in the topic bar
[16:44] <Kilos> ?
[16:47] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info
[18:30] <dupingping> awesome notes editor: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntusticky/files/ubuntu-sticky-trial_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb/download
[18:32] <Kilos> superfly  is that what you used ^^
[18:33] <Kilos> dupingping  you didnt tell me where you are, other countries are also welcome here
[18:33] <dupingping> I'm from china.
[18:33] <Kilos> we have france and the states here too
[18:33] <dupingping> I told you at first.
[18:33] <Kilos> oh my sorry
[18:33] <dupingping> no problem.
[18:35] <Kilos> i dont know where coco1  is from unless he also told me
[18:35] <Kilos> i forget lots
[18:35] <Kilos> dupingping  we use china in south africa but it means buddy
[18:36] <dupingping> yes.
[18:50] <coco1> Kilos: is it necessary to know the locality of the member of this room ?
[18:50] <coco1> If yes, I'm from Cameroon :-D
[18:50] <Kilos> wonderful coco1
[18:51] <Kilos> that was the aim of starting this channel and the site http://ubuntu-africa.info
[18:51] <Kilos> so we can get all ubuntu/linux users in africa together
[18:52] <coco1> Ok, you are trying to confirm that all african countries are represented..
[18:53] <Kilos> thats right
[18:53] <coco1> Ok cool!
[18:53] <Kilos> we have 12 of the 18 so far
[18:54] <coco1> That's good for a beginning.
[18:54] <Kilos> taken 6 months already
[18:55] <Kilos> there are 3 more cameroonians that pop in here
[18:57] <Kilos> ongolaboy and ariabbas
[18:58] <Kilos> forget the other one
[19:00] <Kilos> coco1  if you know anyone in the missing countries please mail them and invite them here
[19:00] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[19:01] <coco1> Congrates for this great idea
[19:02] <Kilos> ty it started just as an idea
[19:03] <Kilos> then grew
[19:04] <coco1> (y)
[19:05] <Kilos> now the site and this channel are recognised by ubuntu and canonical
[19:05] <Kilos> we are happy
[19:05] <coco1> ..
[19:09] <coco1> ? Kilos: Is there an African planning with clear activities..
[19:10] <Kilos> nope not yet we are going to have our first meeting next month
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: no, I wrote my own
[19:11] <Kilos> ah ty superfly
[19:11] <coco1> Ok that's good!
[19:11] <Kilos> oh coco1  you can join the mailing list
[19:12] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[19:12] <superfly> One day I'll upload the code.
[19:12] <Kilos> cool
[19:13] <coco1> Ah thks! I was thinking about at once!
[19:35] <Kilos> eish power cut
[19:41] <coco1> oh Kilos: really ? From Where are you?
[19:41] <Kilos> south africa
[19:59] <ongolaBoy> Kilos: hi :)
[19:59] <Kilos> hi ongolaBoy  another cameroonian here now
[20:00] <Kilos> i dont know why Saoungoumi doesnt visit anymore
[20:00] <ongolaBoy> Don't know about you but still this http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194 and some other projects I do not trust anymore sourceforge servers ..
[20:02] <Kilos> thats not good
[20:04] <Kilos> QA   tell elacheche see http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194
[20:04] <QA> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell elacheche on freenode
[20:12] <Kilos> ubuntiste-msakni  you ate too much and slept till now?
[20:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep ight
[20:19] <Kilos> tight


[02:13] <lamont> Min drive buffer fill was 38%
[02:47] <dilinger> overburn..
[02:47] <dilinger> er, burnfree
[02:47] <dilinger> that's the one
[03:55] <lamont> well, was cd-rw, so not soo bad...
[04:28] <Roey> oh
[04:28] <Roey> hello
[04:28] <Roey> this place exists?
[04:28] <Roey> I see the usual suspects
[04:28] <Roey> calc, crimsun
 ok
 so two issues:
 1) I try to boot, say, my own custom kernel with raid1 built in:
 http://rafb.net/paste/results/2qaAZM82.html
 so on that one the problem is the device nodes aren't being created in /dev
 hmm
 22:27:36 ~ ls /dev/md*
 /dev/md0  /dev/md1  /dev/md2
 but I hit ctrl-d twice and it boots up fine
 mounts the stuff it needs, etc.
[04:29] <Roey> there.
[04:30] <zul> alright online mugshots
[04:34] <Roey> oh? :)
[04:39] <Roey> oh
[04:39] <Roey> god damn it
[04:39] <Roey> right I forgot...
[04:39] <Roey> you need a patched cramfs to load initrd's for custom kernels.
[04:40] <Roey> god damn it!
[04:40] <Roey> and LILO doesn't work...
[04:40] <Roey> oof
[04:40] <crimsun> you love it.  Admit it, you love the pain.
[04:40] <Roey> yes
[04:40] <Roey> I admit it
[04:40] <Roey> I could be content with Kubuntu
[04:40] <Roey> but I admit it, I need to push the envelop
[04:40] <Roey> *envelope
[04:40] <Roey> actually
[04:41] <Roey> I need to (1) get rid of that error on startup,
[04:41] <Roey> and (2) install the latest nvidia drivers,
[04:41] <Roey> and (3) patch the kernel so that it properly supports nvidia.
[04:41] <Roey> er
[04:41] <Roey> nvidia and WACOM TABLETS.
 Roey: got a dos boot disk?  Boot onto it, FDISK all partitions away, then at the prompt type "fdisk /mbr" no quotes.  Then try again.  Partition table might be weirded out
[05:04] <Roey> is this guy legitimately helping??
[05:13] <zul> oh hell im going to bed...night
[05:16] <Roey> heh
[05:16] <Roey> #ubuntu is /no/ help
[05:16] <Roey> every
[05:16] <Roey> **ever**.
[05:40] <crimsun> Roey: your problem is rather advanced.  I doubt many people, if any, will be able to help you sort it.
[05:40] <crimsun> Roey: maybe jasonbox?
[05:41] <Roey> hmm
[05:41] <Roey> dunno?
[05:41] <Roey> at this point, fine
[05:41] <Roey> I'll give in to grub
[05:41] <Roey> and official Ubuntu kernels.
[05:41] <Roey> I give up.
[05:42] <Roey> I just want to know if I can compile my own kernel (following The Debian Way) and have it running.
[05:42] <crimsun> I'm absolutely certain you can given you don't change anything
[05:43] <Roey> like what?
[05:43] <Roey> I want to apply the latest nvidia and wacom patches
[05:43] <Roey> that's all
[05:46] <crimsun> nvidia you'd do externally
[05:46] <crimsun> so you don't need to recompile
[05:46] <crimsun> wacom, don't know much about.  Got a url?
[05:46] <Roey> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[05:47] <crimsun> does the version in the Ubuntu kernel not work?
[05:47] <Roey> nope
[05:47] <Roey> see what happens is that:
[05:47] <Roey> Xorg, if you load mousedev,
[05:48] <Roey> steals control of the cursor/eraser/stylus devices from the kernel wacom driver.
[05:48] <Roey> the patched wacom module detects when this happens
[05:48] <Roey> and prevents it
[05:48] <Roey> er
[05:48] <Roey> or relinquishes control to Xorg
[05:48] <Roey> instead of trying to manage it itself.
[05:48] <Roey> s/it/them
[05:49] <crimsun> ok, and this allows the cursor/eraser/stylus devices to work alongside the mouse and any other input devices?
[05:50] <Roey> yes
[05:50] <Roey> yes it does
[05:50] <Roey> it explains it on the page
[05:50] <crimsun> ok, and how critical would _you_ rate the fix?
[05:50] <crimsun> be realistic.
[05:51] <crimsun> cos I'm up to my neck in trying to fix universe packages (at the moment, the slew of pike7.* brokenness and two packages that require pike7.4)
[05:51] <crimsun> but if it's a _critical_ fix, I'll look and try and generate a dpatch
[05:53] <crimsun> nvidia's not an issue; you can use the latest drivers by either using Sid's nvidia-kernel-source or by invoking their installer
[05:53] <Roey> crimsun:  I cannot use my tablet.
[05:53] <Roey> crimsun:  it's not like nvidia where I *prefer* the newer driver but I can live with the current one.
[05:53] <Roey> crimsun:  with the tablet it's like.. it just doesn't respond.
[05:54] <Roey> crimsun:  wait a sec.. you're an ubuntu developer???
[05:54] <crimsun> ok, but you can live without your tablet, correct?  What I'm trying to determine is if it warrants a grave enough fix due your not being able to use any other input device in the X Window System
[05:54] <crimsun> no, I'm not; I'm a universe maintainer; I just happen to be on the kernel team as well
[05:56] <Roey> crimsun:  ah :)
[05:56] <crimsun> in other words, if the current wacom code in the Hoary kernel prevents you from using your mouse and/or your keyboard in X.Org, then I think I can justifiably generate a patch to submit
[05:56] <Roey> crimsun:  it's the other way around; the current wacom code in the Hoary kernel prevents me from using my tablet in xorg.
[05:56] <crimsun> but your mouse still works?
[05:57] <Roey> oh, sure.
[05:57] <Roey> aye it does.
[05:57] <Roey> it's an mx1000 mouse.
[05:58] <Roey> http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Mar/2151.html
[05:58] <crimsun> ok.  Well, if your mouse still works, I wouldn't rate this issue release-critical, but I will go ahead and generate a dpatch, then build a standard Ubuntu kernel for you with the patch applied (will take ~2 hours)
[05:58] <Roey> I'm having trouble with that, too
[05:58] <Roey> oh, thank you so much Dan!
[05:58] <Roey> jeez
[05:58] <Roey> wow
[05:58] <Roey> thanks :)
[05:58] <Roey> crimsun:  do you know, btw,what's the status of konq-plugins package?
[05:58] <crimsun> now whether it actually ends up in the kernel shipped with Hoary is not my call.
[05:59] <crimsun> (I'll have to pass that buck to fabbione.)
[05:59] <crimsun> No, unfortunately I do not know RE: konq-plugins
[06:01] <crimsun> Roey: ok, I don't think the mx1000 issue is critical enough to warrant a patch this close to Hoary's release, but keep at it for Bendy
[06:01] <crimsun> err
[06:01] <crimsun> Breezy
[06:01] <crimsun> too many 'b's and 'e's
[06:01] <Roey> :)
[06:01] <Roey> when is that, six months after hoary?
[06:01] <crimsun> yes, 6 months from 6 April, 2005
[06:02] <Roey> (isn't one goal of ubuntu to have regular release cycles (as opposed to Debian? :))
[06:02] <Roey> ok
[06:02] <crimsun> of course you will be able to track Breezy just as you do Sid
[06:02] <crimsun> just as you're able to track Hoary now
[06:02] <Roey> ok
[06:04] <crimsun> hmm
[06:04] <crimsun> Roey: have you tried wacom-kernel-source from universe?
[06:05] <Roey> oh
[06:05] <Roey> hmm
[06:05] <Roey> neat!
[06:05] <Roey> lemme see what the revision is on that.
[06:05] <crimsun> 0.6.6-4 is what Hoary has
[06:05] <Roey>   Candidate: 0.6.6-4
[06:06] <crimsun> (Sid's only several revisions more recent, 0.6.6-7)
[06:06] <Roey> linuxwacom-0.6.6.tar.bz2  -  2004-12-01  Build .ko locally and support kernel 2.6.10.
[06:06] <Roey> so..
[06:06] <Roey> that doesn't support 2.6.10
[06:07] <crimsun> eh?
[06:07] <Roey> version .6.6-4 does not
[06:07] <Roey> er
[06:07] <Roey> I see it does.
[06:07] <Roey> my bad!!!!!
[06:07] <Roey> wow, daniel, you're awesome
[06:07] <Roey> hmm.
[06:07] <Roey> can you show me how to customize my kernel with this (including grabbing the kernel sources, etc.)?
[06:08] <crimsun> what distro are you currently running?
[06:08] <Roey> ubuntu + kubuntu package
[06:08] <Roey> hoary.
[06:08] <Roey> crimsun:  (I switched over)
[06:08] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) fakeroot wacom-kernel-source
[06:09] <crimsun> let's shift this back to #ubuntu, if you don't mind
[06:10] <Roey> sure, ok
[06:10] <crimsun> thanks
[06:16] <fabbione> morning everyone
[06:17] <Roey> hey fabbione
[06:17] <Roey> you got a new customer
[06:18] <crimsun> morning fabbione
[06:19] <fabbione> who ?
[06:20] <crimsun> fabbione: (I think he's referring to himself)
[06:21] <fabbione> ahhhh
[06:22] <Roey> =)
[06:23] <Roey> crimsun, see the #ubuntu stuff :)
[09:03] <Roey> heloo00oo
[09:03] <Roey> anyone here?
[09:03] <Roey> :)
[09:05] <calc> no
[09:07] <Roey> ok
[09:07] <Roey> calc: see this:
[09:07] <Roey> I downloaded this wacom module for kernel 2.6.10 (ubuntu)
[09:07] <Roey> and I enabled hid
[09:07] <Roey> ("--enable-hid")
[09:07] <Roey> and I get errors:
[09:07] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/20pSrR22.html
[09:08] <Roey> and I'm wondering where this error is -- in the module or the kernel.
[09:08] <calc> <- is not here
[09:08] <Roey> I need to be able to compile wacom's replacement hid
[09:08] <Roey> ah
[09:08] <Roey> ok
[09:08] <Roey> fabbione:  see this:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/20pSrR22.html
[09:08] <Roey> That's after I did: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) fakeroot wacom-kernel-source
[09:09] <Roey> and then I went into /usr/src/modules/wacom,
[09:09] <Roey> and edited 'rules' to --enable-hid in the 'kdist' stanza
[09:10] <Roey> then when I compiled it with this commmand:
[09:10] <Roey> cd /usr/src/modules/wacom && fakeroot ./debian/rules kdist KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/
[09:10] <Roey> I get this output:
[09:10] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/20pSrR22.html
[09:10] <Roey> (the one I gave you above)
[05:05] <fabbione> Roey: i don't want to sound unpolite, but this chan is to discuss the kernel development. General help should go to #ubuntu please.
[05:06] <fabbione> at 15 days from release, i really don't have to see external modules.. sorry
[05:07] <fabbione> + it's eastern :-)
[05:43] <Seveas> you don't?
[05:43] <Seveas> shocking :)
[05:56] <zul> hey
[05:57] <jbailey> Heya Chuck
[05:57] <zul> hey jbailey how is it going?
[05:57] <jbailey> Good, a bit tired.  I've mostly shaken off the hang over.
[05:57] <zul> heh
[05:57] <jbailey> I'm teaching a course this evening and should probably prep for it.
[05:58] <zul> you arent suppose to drink on good friday :)
[05:58] <kylem> says who? doesn't say that in the bible...
[05:58] <kylem> :P
[05:58] <zul> hmm...wifey lied to me then
[06:00] <kylem> it's one of those pope-things.
[06:00] <zul> ah ok
[06:00] <kylem> afaik at least.
[06:20] <Roey> hi