[00:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, it is working with current kernel
[00:00] <apachelogger> oh
[00:00] <apachelogger> magic
[00:00] <apachelogger> usb wouldnt be working though
[00:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/<IP_ADDRESS>.20101214.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel/
[00:00] <apachelogger> ah
[00:00] <apachelogger> current meego you mean ^^
[00:01] <rbelem> i mean, newest :-)
[00:01] <rbelem> or development
[00:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm going home
[00:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, maybe i come back online today
[00:14]  * apachelogger is going to bed soonish
[00:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will install natty on n900, with rsalveti ppa, neon enabled
[00:16] <apachelogger> okidoki
[00:16] <rbelem> :-)
[00:16] <rbelem> bye
[00:16] <apachelogger> o/
[00:16] <rbelem> g'night
[02:45] <jschall> is there any chance someone could walk me through setting up ndiswrapper for a broadcom bcm4313 on kubuntu amd64? the bcmwl driver seems to be unreliable.
[02:48] <ScottK> bcmwl works very well for me on my netbook, although that's using 32bit.
[05:19] <nigelb> shadeslayer: this wouldn't be the first conf for which you're bunking exas :p
[05:19] <nigelb> *exams
[08:59] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded from maverick to natty via the latest alternative cd and i have 2 battery icons here is a pic of my taskbar http://tinypic.com/r/2ibj2uq/7
[09:08] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded from maverick to natty via the latest alternative cd and i have 2 battery icons here is a pic of my taskbar http://tinypic.com/r/2ibj2uq/7
[09:09] <valorie> cpatrick2008: this isn't a support channel, sorry
[09:09] <valorie> for support, use #kubuntu
[09:10] <valorie> that said, you should be able to right-click on one of them and tell it to go away
[11:58] <ScottK> valorie: He probably needed to remove hal.  I suspect solid thought there were two batteries because it heard about one from hal and one from upower.
[12:01] <valorie> ah, he's in the twilight zone
[12:02] <valorie> I'm betting that is documented somewhere in the testing docs though
[12:02] <valorie> but I should have sent him to #ubuntu+1
[12:02] <valorie> oh, well
[12:03] <valorie> time for sleep, anyway
[12:03] <ScottK> Good night.
[12:03] <ScottK> It's probably just documented in the mail I sent to #kubuntu-devel and only by inference there.
[12:03] <valorie> :-)
[12:40] <shadeslayer> nigelb: ok different things, these are majors cant bunk/get them postponed
[12:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i haz 50 minutes, what can be done :P
[12:41] <shadeslayer> iirc there was some kdepim stuff that needed fixing
[12:44] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I was kidding :)
[12:45] <shadeslayer> oh boi oh boi
[12:45] <shadeslayer> not good ....
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: pingly
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: need to talk about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1
[12:47] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_02_kalarm_kstatusnotifieritem needs to go back in ... its been applied against trunk not 4.4.8
[12:47] <shadeslayer> also ... why am i  in kdepim debian changelog 0_o
[12:48] <shadeslayer> i didnt do it
[12:48] <shadeslayer> like .. debians debian changelog
[12:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  You're in the changelog because that's what was in bzr.
[13:01] <shadeslayer> weirdness
[13:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: IIRC the patch didn't apply.  Please fix it up in bzr and ping me.
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there was a new patch... i have it somewhere here ...
[13:02] <ScottK> Great.
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ill fix it in bzr
[13:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: new patch is http://pastebin.com/0jSnqe3H
[13:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.  Ping me when it's there.  I need to fix the updates PPA too for Maverick.
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:04] <shadeslayer> somehow 4.6 beta broke my gpg-agent
[13:08] <shadeslayer> need to rebuild and see if everything works
[13:10] <Riddell> it's broken everyone's gpg-agent
[13:10] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:10] <Riddell> Mamarok knows a fix
[13:10] <Riddell> or workaround
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ooohh
[13:10] <shadeslayer> oh... well ... i can manage right now :P
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ill wait for a proper fix
[13:11] <shadeslayer> samba is the awesome
[13:11] <shadeslayer> i can transfer files between my pc and phone over wifi \o/
[13:11] <shadeslayer> no more storage woes
[13:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your magic is getting a android update apparently
[13:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: I know for the ssh-agent, but not the gpg-agent, haven't tried that yet
[13:19] <kronos> Riddell: is KDevelop still up for grabs ?
[13:19] <kronos> or anyone working
[13:19] <shadeslayer> kronos: \o
[13:20] <kronos> shadeslayer: o/
[13:20] <shadeslayer> btw... ctrl+shift+n or ctrl+shift+p for private browsing... which is better?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> thinking of setting a shortcut for it in rekonq
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ff uses p, chrom* uses n
[13:21] <ScottK> FYI.  I've started on Bug #691068.
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: also, thanks for taking the avogadro MIR
[13:23] <Riddell> kronos: ooh yes please
[13:24] <shadeslayer> was the previous beta packaged?
[13:24] <Riddell> what previous beta?
[13:24] <shadeslayer> KDevelop
[13:24] <Riddell> this is the first beta
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:24] <shadeslayer> kronos: best of luck :P
[13:24] <shadeslayer> your going to need it
[13:24] <Riddell> kronos: do you have access to ktown?
[13:24] <kronos> Riddell: nah..
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: git plugin should probably be split into a new package?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hmm ... no
[13:25] <Riddell> kronos: where is your ssh key?
[13:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> just asking ...
[13:26] <kronos> Riddell: launchpad.net/~bhargav
[13:27] <Riddell> kronos: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:27] <Riddell> unstable/kdevelop/4.1.80/src
[13:27] <Riddell> start with kdevplatform
[13:27] <shadeslayer> or just use dolphin :P
[13:28] <Riddell> grab existing packaging from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevplatform/1.1.1-0ubuntu1
[13:28] <Riddell> update changelog, start build, check for new build dependencies in the cmake output, continue build, check all files are installed
[13:28] <shadeslayer> kronos: grab the handy build hook for missing files
[13:29] <markey> apachelogger: Riddell: VLC file selector dialog is still borked
[13:29] <markey> takes ~1 minute to come up
[13:29] <markey> no idea why...
[13:29] <shadeslayer> markey: kde 4.6?
[13:29] <markey> yes
[13:29] <markey> Beta 2
[13:29] <markey> latest updates
[13:29]  * shadeslayer tries
[13:29] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:29] <markey> it worked fine with KDE 4.5
[13:30] <markey> bbl, work
[13:30] <shadeslayer> possibly stuff changed? :P
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE")
[13:30] <Riddell> kronos: also I'd get rid of all those l10n packages, they're not needed for ubuntu, just put the .po files into kdevplatform2-libs, they'll get stripped on upload anyway
[13:30] <Riddell> all the de-halification of solid means a lot has changed for the file dialogue
[13:31] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[13:32] <ScottK> Removing hal might actually help if you haven't already.
[13:33]  * Riddell removes hal
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: I take it suspend works without hal now?
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know.  It was supposed to with beta2.
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the package for hal? just hal?
[13:35] <Riddell> yes, seems to work here
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[13:35] <shadeslayer> *cringe* http://paste.ubuntu.com/544428
[13:35] <Riddell> ooh removing hal made my file dialouges open much faster
[13:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still on maverick?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> yus
[13:36] <shadeslayer> oh.. your on natty?
[13:36] <Riddell> how old fashioned :)
[13:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:37]  * shadeslayer will upgrade on 1st January 2012 :P
[13:37] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:37] <shadeslayer> i mean 2011
[13:37] <shadeslayer> or .. maybe i could just let it upgrade now
[13:37] <shadeslayer> ok ... lets run them scripts!
[13:40] <shadeslayer> also .. no more project neon updates for me after upgrade :>
[13:42] <ScottK> Why not?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we start building neon for maverick after first beta
[13:42] <shadeslayer> er
[13:42] <shadeslayer> s/maverick/natty
[13:42] <shadeslayer> we are focusing on QA'ing packages for maverick atm
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ( Release date is 2nd week of January )
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Also ... who would want Neon on Natty ... with Natty being in alpha already .. they would have enough issues to handle  :P
[13:45] <shadeslayer> btw.. i dont suppose i have to run do-release-upgrade with sudo
[13:46] <shadeslayer> i have *never* upgraded a install ....
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hehehe .... http://paste.ubuntu.com/544430
[13:49] <shadeslayer> 5 hours
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is neon anywhere near a big splash announcement?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wait till 2nd week of Jan :P
[13:52] <Riddell> what happens then?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> then we can do promo stuff
[13:52] <shadeslayer> we finish packaging and QA'ing stuff
[13:52] <Riddell> that sounds very organised
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yeah, we didnt have a target date, so we started slacking on work
[13:53] <shadeslayer> also issues with kdebindings
[13:53] <shadeslayer> so hopefully bindings will be fixed by then and we can release neon
[13:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: talk about organized https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging
[13:54] <shadeslayer> wait
[13:54] <shadeslayer> thats old
[13:54] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/RecipeStatus
[13:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ thanks to yofel
[13:57] <Riddell> that yofel is good
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ok .. now back to studies, im keeping a watch on my kdepim build via VNC
[13:59] <shadeslayer> cya
[14:05] <jussi> ScottK: How is kde on maverick?  do we have an armel build? also, do we have a plasma mobile build on armel for maverick? (Ive just got our new efika smarttops and hoping for som kde goodness)
[14:07] <ScottK> jussi: Good, Yes, and Yes, but you probably want plasma-netbook.  You will have to work at it a bit to reduce what runs by default to make it somewhat usable.
[14:07] <jussi> ScottK: regular repos?  or ppa?
[14:07] <ScottK> Regular
[14:08] <ScottK> You'll also have to fiddle the kernel since no in archive kernel will run on those.
[14:08] <jussi> ok, so just a simple apt-get install plasma-netbook then?
[14:08] <ScottK> Actually apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it should know to run -netbook
[14:08] <jussi> ScottK: they came with maverick, so kernel is there already.
[14:08] <ScottK> OK
[14:09]  * jussi got new ones - no more crappy lange51 anymore :D
[14:10] <jussi> ScottK: is plasma mobile also available? Id like to see how it runs on an imx51.
[14:10] <ScottK> Yes, but it's not very mature.
[14:10] <jussi> yeah, I realise that
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: is there a page listing all GCI tasks? ( Completed and those which are in progress and not claimed )
[14:28] <shadeslayer> KDE specific page would be rather nice
[14:30] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: i don't think so
[14:30] <Nightrose> if you find one let me know
[14:30] <Nightrose> i also need it
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/program/list_tasks/google/gci2010 << Organization = KDE
[14:30] <shadeslayer> but ... i cant find rekonq specific tasks, maybe because theyre taken
[14:30] <Nightrose> that doesn't list completed one
[14:31] <Nightrose> yea
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ah ok .. thats probably why
[14:31] <shadeslayer> dunno then :P
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: pushed rev 152, please have a look
[14:50] <ScottK> OK.
[14:52] <Nightrose> is there a tool like debian's popcon for ubuntu packages?
[14:53] <Nightrose> ahhh also popcon :D
[14:53] <Nightrose> nvm
[14:55] <Nightrose> hmmm but pretty useless when it's broken
[14:55] <Nightrose> :(
[14:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Would you please look at kdepim in the updates PPA for lucid (I didn't upload that one, Riddel did)
[15:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did we even have that patch in Lucid?
[15:07] <ari-tczew> wrrrrrrrrr how can I restore pinentry in kde?
[15:17] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1207013 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Added an areChangesMarked() function to provide an easier way to check if there are pending changes without checking the emptiness of the QApt::PackageList that Backend::MarkedPackages() constructs and returns
[15:18] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1207014 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Use the new Backend::areChangesMarked() function. This avoids constructing a QApt::PackageList as well as 67,000 calls to QApt::Package::state() in the Backend::markedPackages() function
[15:21] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1207015 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/StatusWidget.cpp Avoid 67,000 calls to QApt::Package::State by using the QApt::Backend::areChangesMarked() function rather than checking the size of the QList that QApt::Backend::markedPackages returns. Speeds up statusbar population.
[15:21] <ScottK> ari-tczew: pinentry and KDE are unrelated.  KDE uses pinentry, but doesn't affect it.
[15:22] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1207016 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp Use areChangesMarked() rather than checking the size of markedPackages()
[15:23] <ari-tczew> ScottK: so have to I always putting password twice in console?
[15:24] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I didn't say that.
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> ssh-askpass isn't working in natty either, so I doubt it's pinentry-qt4's fault
[15:25] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I know. but this case is annoying
[15:26] <ari-tczew> and after switch from gnome, I have to putting password to bzr acitvities always :/
[15:26] <ScottK> I don't doubt it, but it's not directly a KDE thing.
[15:27] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1207017 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp Use the more efficient areChangesMarked() function to determine whether or not to enable the apply button should be enabled
[15:43] <Riddell> "15:21 < NCommander> Kubuntu devs want to work on backporting and enabling NEON runtime detection for some handwritten assembler."
[15:43] <Riddell> NCommander: backporting from where to where?
[15:49] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1207021 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp (log message trimmed)
[15:49] <CIA-116> Since package names are always latin1-compliant, prevent the unnecessary
[15:49] <CIA-116> conversion of const char * -> std::string -> QString::fromAscii ->
[15:51] <NCommander> Riddell: newer QT?
[15:57] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1207025 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Use QLatin1String instead of QString::fromStdString() to avoid unnecessary conversions to/from std::string (When we're dealing with or can deal with const char *)
[15:59] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1207026 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a potential problem with homepage URLs with UTF8 characters not displaying correctly
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: afaik yes, kronos was looking into kdepim 4.4.8 for lucid and iirc Riddell gave him the new patch and thats how it came to my attention
[16:16] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ( the 152 revision didnt have the new series file, 153 has the patch in it now )
[16:22] <CIA-116> [couchdb-qt] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* cmake_uninstall.cmake.in unbreak build
[16:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Would you please go ahead an upload the fixed version to maverick in the updates PPA?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:23]  * ScottK is in the middle of uploading 4.4.5 to lucid-proposed.
[16:23] <ScottK> Thanks
[16:23] <shadeslayer> oh 4.4.5 in proposed .. great :D
[16:35] <kronos> Riddell: kdevplatform built log http://paste.ubuntu.com/544484/
[16:39] <shadeslayer> cmake output looks good
[16:40] <shadeslayer> the rest of the file is still downloading :P
[16:40] <shadeslayer> kronos: can you pastebin the debdiff?
[17:01] <kronos> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.ca/2021334
[17:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: you said you are getting stuttering sound in dragon with phonon-gst?
[17:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[17:08]  * apachelogger can reproduce that
[17:08]  * apachelogger unfortunately has no idea why
[17:08] <Riddell> also it crashes on close
[17:09] <Riddell> also i seem to get no video picture
[17:09] <Riddell> so not great all in all
[17:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: with gst?
[17:12] <apachelogger> what is the crash on close?
[17:12] <apachelogger> eek
[17:12] <apachelogger> kgpg is the broken
[17:12] <apachelogger> gpg: Invalid option "--debug-level"
[17:13] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/rX9e3rwh
[17:14] <Riddell> so bad even DrKonqi can't sort it
[17:14] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure you are using gst?
[17:14]  * apachelogger is wondering why libxine shows up in the memory dump
[17:15] <apachelogger> and vlc
[17:15] <apachelogger> oh, libxine possibly from dragon linking against it
[17:21] <shadeslayer> kronos: looks fine, except seems that your debian/ folder got dirty in the build process
[17:21] <shadeslayer> there are log files in there
[17:21] <shadeslayer> rbelem: pingly
[17:22] <kronos> shadeslayer: look at line 670 of the debdiff. should the package be kdevplatform3-libs?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> rbelem: so apparently you can boot good old debian on the phone, i suppose kubuntu-mobile can work as well
[17:23] <shadeslayer> dunno about radio etc
[17:23] <shadeslayer> kronos: no line 670 in debdiff
[17:23] <shadeslayer> last line is 382
[17:24] <apachelogger> phonon-gst's debugging is made out of garbage
[17:24] <apachelogger> horrible, simply horrible
[17:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: please report a bug about the stuttering
[17:25] <apachelogger> I'll force sandsmark to do hardcore haxx0ring with me over the holidays
[17:25] <shadeslayer> kronos: bump up library name ... to kdevplatform3-libs
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apparently your debdiff was only half posted
[17:26] <shadeslayer> wait ...
[17:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:26] <shadeslayer> would that be correct library naming?
[17:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: where?
[17:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer, pong
[17:27] <shadeslayer> hold on
[17:27] <kronos> shadeslayer:  changelog shows previous change from kdevplatform1-libs to kdevplatform2-libs .
[17:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: bko
[17:27] <shadeslayer> kronos: ah ok then
[17:27] <apachelogger> yay
[17:28] <shadeslayer> otoh there is a command to generate a package name as well
[17:28] <apachelogger> virtuoso gone wild
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:28] <apachelogger> using 60% cpu
[17:28] <apachelogger> yayayaya
[17:28] <apachelogger> hooray
[17:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: happens on maverick as well :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ( assuming your on natty )
[17:28] <apachelogger> I am on mav
[17:29] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:29] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1413313
[17:29] <shadeslayer> and look at the last post
[17:29] <rbelem> oki :-)
[17:30] <shadeslayer> s/post/link
[17:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you try the class10 yet?
[17:31] <rbelem> apachelogger, i tried with meego
[17:31] <apachelogger> any better?
[17:31] <rbelem> it is a little bit faster
[17:31] <apachelogger> now that does not sound a whole lot better ^^
[17:31] <shadeslayer> oh that is the second thing ^^ .. how do you find out the class of your SD card
[17:31] <rbelem> apps runs smother
[17:31]  * apachelogger thinks that the n900 probably only supports class6
[17:31] <shadeslayer> i cant find it anywehere
[17:32] <shadeslayer> *anywhere
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is written on the card
[17:32] <apachelogger> unless it is a crap one
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not mine it isnt
[17:32] <apachelogger> then it is not and probably class 2
[17:32] <apachelogger> class 2 == crap
[17:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> its a 2GB one ... came with the phone itself
[17:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, it uses full speed with class10
[17:33] <apachelogger> You won £ 500,000.00GBP
[17:33] <apachelogger> woohooo
[17:33] <apachelogger> it is £ GBP
[17:33] <rbelem> 12 MB/s +ou-
[17:33] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[17:33] <apachelogger> that is like £ by the powers of two
[17:40] <rbelem> shadeslayer, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631389
[17:40] <rbelem> this looks interesting :-)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> it does, doesnt it :)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Too long to try it out tonight
[17:41] <shadeslayer> possibly in Jan
[17:41] <shadeslayer> best thing is... you cant brick it ..
[17:42] <rbelem> ehehehe :-D
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ( need to get a good microsd card first tho )
[17:42] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is easy to get a good one in your city?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> rbelem: dunno .. i see microsd cards everyday, dunno what class tho
[17:58] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://www.flipkart.com/sandisk-memory-card-16gb-microsdhc-mobile-accessories-acccrrqzzjmaztzw
[17:58] <shadeslayer> thats the best deal i can find right now
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ( its out of stock )
[17:58] <shadeslayer> seems like a class 4
[18:00] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i bought mine from ebay
[18:01] <shadeslayer> i dont trust ebay india :P
[18:01] <shadeslayer> they steal your moniez
[18:01] <rbelem> from hong kong
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:01] <rbelem> it took one month and five days to arrive :-D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:01] <shadeslayer> i might get it from here : http://www.infibeam.com/Camera_Accessories/i-SanDisk-Micro-SD/P-E-ME-SanDisk-MicroSD-Basic.html?id=Black-16GB&utm_term=sandisk+microsd_1_5
[18:02] <shadeslayer> dunno tho
[18:02] <shadeslayer> *i_should_really_start_studying*
[18:02] <shadeslayer> bye
[18:02] <shadeslayer> this time for good
[18:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you fix kdepim in maverick updates PPA?
[18:14] <kronos> Riddell: kdevplatform debdiff http://pastebin.com/70zHiT6k .
[18:17] <Riddell> kronos: hmm, just a diff -urN <old>/debian <new>/debian   would be more useful I think
[18:17] <Riddell> debdiffs between different upstream versions aren't too useful
[18:18] <kronos> Riddell: hmmm.. i ve copied the debian part in the pastebin ..
[18:18] <Riddell> kronos: URL?
[18:18] <kronos> http://pastebin.com/70zHiT6k
[18:20] <Riddell> ok
[18:20] <Riddell> kronos: do you want to put it into your PPA?
[18:20] <Riddell> kronos: are about able to continue on with the main kdevelop package?
[18:21] <kronos> Riddell: yeah .. i'll put it in mp ppa ..
[18:21] <kronos> *my
[18:22] <kronos> Riddell: which package is next ?
[18:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you be up for uploading 4.4.5 l10n to lucid-proposed in a bit (tomorrow's fine)?
[18:25] <Riddell> kronos: kdevelop
[18:26] <kronos> Should i put kdevplatform in my ppa ? and should there be a ~natty1~ppa1 in the changelog?
[18:26] <ScottK> kronos: For your PPA, just ~ppa1 is fine.
[18:27] <ScottK> kronos: We don't bother with $release when it's for the development release.
[18:42] <Riddell> ScottK: sounds like lots of downloading, changing changelog entries, source package building and uploading?
[18:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't you have a script that does all that?
[18:43] <Riddell> I expect so
[18:44] <Riddell> let's see what happens if I fire up an EC2 machine and run it
[18:44] <ScottK> OK.
[18:45] <kronos> Riddell: should i remove l10n packages in kdevelop and put corresponding files in the -data package ?
[18:46] <Riddell> kronos: yes please
[18:54] <hunger> power management is not working anymore in natty for me. I get a popup informing me no backend was found. Is that a known issue?
[18:55] <ScottK> hunger: No.  Do you have upower installed?
[18:55] <ScottK> (ideally we want upower without hal and it working)
[18:56] <hunger> ScottK: Yes... 0.9.7+git2something... aptitude says I am up to date.
[18:56] <ScottK> Odd.
[18:56] <ScottK> No one else has reported this that I'm aware of.
[18:58] <markey> erm, X11 or KWin or KDE crashed on me
[18:58] <markey> had to reboot
[18:58] <markey> something is weird with Beta2
[18:58] <markey> that never happened with 4.5
[18:59] <markey> it did not fully crash
[18:59] <markey> it got "stuck"
[18:59] <markey> and then kinda continued a zombie life
[18:59] <markey> you could not really use it, but you could move the mouse
[18:59] <markey> #weird
[18:59] <mgraesslin> alt+shift+f12?
[19:00] <hunger> ScottK: Hmmm... Seems like an issue with some update action or so. Just logged out/in and can no longer reproduce.
[19:00] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48] <hunger> Hey! kde network management connected to my WLAN for the first time ever!
[19:48] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[19:49] <ScottK> Interestingly enough we haven't updated the NM widget.
[19:49] <hunger> Only downside: It does not stop connecting when I plug in the ethernet.
[19:49] <hunger> ScottK: I have not updated my netbook in a while.
[19:50] <hunger> ScottK: So far I used knetworkmanager... now the plasmoid finally does something:-)
[19:50] <ScottK> No, I mean it's the same as Maverick.
[19:51] <ScottK> So if that's gotten better it's something else started working.
[19:51] <hunger> ScottK: Never worked there. And you did update KDE, did you leave out the nm plasmoid?
[19:51] <ScottK> hunger: NM widget is extragear.  Not part of core KDE SC.
[19:53] <hunger> ScottK: It builds on solid and whatnot... maybe that is finally fixed.
[19:54] <ScottK> Perhaps.  Or maybe something in NM itself.
[19:54] <ScottK> (the backend)
[19:58] <hunger> ScottK: Considering that knetworkmanager as well as nm-applet both worked all the time I think it is not NM itself.
[19:58] <ScottK> OK
[20:03] <kronos> How do i get local packages into pbuilder chroot ? the method in the pbuilder tutorial doesnt work .
[20:13] <neversfelde> kronos: you could use the pool hook https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[21:12] <doctormo> do you know if kde supports svg wallpapers and if so what renderer it uses?
[21:12] <doctormo> I'd like it if the genetic wallpapers weren't just stuck on default ubuntu and where made available for kde too.
[21:12] <doctormo> gnome uses librsvg and looking at that package it's tied to gtk heavily, so it can't be using librsvg.
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> doctormo: yes, using the QtSvg library most likely
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[21:21] <doctormo> thanks JontheEchidna
[21:32] <ScottK> OK.  kde4libs building in lucid-proposed.  Here we go ....
[21:34] <apachelogger> doctormo: in particular http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qsvgrenderer.html
[21:35] <doctormo> apachelogger: Do you know if it's any good?
[21:35] <doctormo> actually scratch that, could I pass you an svg and could you set it as your wallpaper and tell me if it renders good?
[21:36] <apachelogger> sure
[21:36] <apachelogger> also considering the whole desktop theme is also rendered using it, I would suppose it works decently well ;)
[21:36] <doctormo> download this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doctormo/doctormo-random/genetic-wallpapers/annotate/head%3A/target.svg
[21:36] <doctormo> use the download link
[21:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you see that Riddell destroyed my dreams of having a 72h qt build on arm :(
[21:37] <doctormo> I wonder if it supports tspans, would be interesting if it did.
[21:39] <apachelogger> doctormo: major fail
[21:39] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot118.png
[21:46] <doctormo> apachelogger: ok thanks, that means that bluring and gradients aren't supported.
[22:15] <kronos> apachelogger: uploaded liblikeback to my ppa https://launchpad.net/~bhargav/+archive/sandbox .
[22:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: We need a minion to go sit a jdstrand's feet and learn enough about apparmor to fix it so mysql-akonadi can go away because we solved the problem a smarter way.
[23:16] <Riddell> ooh koffice has been compiling for 12 hours without breakage
[23:17] <Riddell> this is promising


[01:09] <RAOF> robert_ancell: A meeting intervened, but you've got your xchat-gnome SRU :)
[01:57] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yay!
[04:33] <pitti> Bonjour mes amis
[04:42] <RAOF> Oh, oh! It's a pitti! That means it must be past lunch time!
[05:58] <TheMuso> yay for proposed being useful for such things as an X transition. :)
[06:23] <RAOF> Hey, I'll even be able to do the quantal-proposed → quantal copy myself ;)
[06:35] <TheMuso> Oh yeah that is a bonus.
[07:07] <RAOF> …leaving only -ati, which I might do after I finish cleaning up the madness that is the xwayland support patch.
[07:51] <seb128> hey
[08:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, hey, how are you? happy friday!
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: happy Friday to you, too!
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, ready for tonight? ;-)
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: one word: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hrTHkk7bLUA/T-HqmzR_FWI/AAAAAAAAApw/nfzupKC06zM/s903/fanauto.jpg :)
[08:09] <seb128> lol
[08:10] <seb128> I wonder what team that guy is supporting ;-)
[08:10] <pitti> by now this car got even more stuff
[08:11] <pitti> some garlands around the hub caps, for example
[08:11] <pitti> it's usually parked on a nearby crossing during the week
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: we'll go to a Beer garden again, or a pub, depending on the weather
[08:12] <pitti> seb128: do you think you guys can hold up against Spain tomorrow?
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, weather has been crap again here :-( yesterday was the "music fest" day and they just didn't get to do the bands playing outdoor
[08:12] <seb128> too much rain,wind
[08:12] <pitti> too bad
[08:12] <pitti> we had nice summer weather again, just a thunderstorm in the night
[08:12] <seb128> yeah
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, well, they didn't hold the outdoor because of the thunderstorm which was announced, they said it was risky for the installations if there is too much wind
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, @Spain: will be hard, but it's sport, you never know ;-) they might have a day off, or we might have a good day ;-)
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, and if France loose I still have Germany to support ;-)
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: haha; if we don't screw it up
[08:17] <pitti> they will want revenge against Merkel, I figure :)
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, joke aside my bet is on Germany this year, it's either you guys or Spain, and Spain already won 2 titles it would be good to have another team this time ;-)
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[08:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, feel a bit like i've been hit by a bus this morning ;)
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, still your cold? or did you do too much exercice? ;-)
[08:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good, it's friday!
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, still got this cold, and quite a headache this morning too
[08:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, :-(
[08:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: uh, get well soon then!
[08:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop drinking too much on thursday's night! ;-)
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> i wish it was because i'd been drinking :)
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> i got a couple of nice bottles of beer for fathers day, which i haven't drank yet
[08:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[09:07] <Sweetshark> jibel: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51324 <- upstreamed the first quantal testsuite bug
[09:07] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 51324 in Presentation "crash in xmloff.Impress.XMLContentImporter::com::sun::star::document::XImporter" [Normal,New: ]
[09:08] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[09:08] <Sweetshark> jibel: I got a key for the qa machine, is there any tricks for getting in?
[09:08] <Sweetshark> seb128: heya!
[09:09] <Sweetshark> seb128: I hugged you in absence for the SRU news.
[09:09] <seb128> Sweetshark, ;-)
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> is anyone else using kvm?
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> it seems to be completely broken here. i can't boot anything with it :(
[09:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I had issues with it and changed for virtualbox
[09:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but I'm not on quantal yet
[09:26] <seb128> virtualbox is nice though ;-)
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, maybe i'll have to try switching to virtualbox
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> i can see today is going to be productive :/
[09:27] <seb128> kvm is good to boot a CD iso but virtualbox has some nice ui and makes easy to add devices to the vm, etc
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, virtualbox seems to work here :)
[09:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, welcome to the virtualbox users' club ;-)
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> i have oracle software on my laptop. i feel dirty now
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> :)
[10:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you didn't have java installed? ;-)
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> hah
[11:23]  * chrisccoulson hungry
[11:33] <Chipaca> hey there. vlc (the qt gui) seems to be busted in Q, with the window apparently resizing to an infinite height thing -- known issue?
[11:34] <seb128> Chipaca, not known but we don't really maintain vlc here
[11:34] <seb128> Chipaca, so I'm not sure we would know about its issues
[11:34] <Chipaca> right
[11:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, STEAK! ;-)
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:35] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: you had oracle software installed since day one, sorry to break it to you
[11:35] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: think: every software that ever was done by sun is now oracle software
[11:35] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: that includes a lot of unix and tcp/ip plumbing
[11:36] <chrisccoulson> Chipaca, thanks. i'm going to go and kill myself now ;)
[11:36] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: grep -l "Sun Microsystems" /usr/share/doc/*/copyright
[11:37] <seb128> we should just drop the sun java and use the google one :-p
[11:37] <seb128> to teach them ;-)
[11:38] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: one you might like to know about is GTK
[11:39] <Chipaca> chrisccoulson: and nautilus
[11:39] <Chipaca> i should stop there
[11:39] <seb128> Chipaca, well, they probably contributed patches but they for sure don't own those ;-)
[11:40] <Chipaca> seb128: well, they hold copyright to them
[11:40] <Chipaca> seb128: if that's not owning them, i don't know what it is
[11:40] <Chipaca> s/what it is/what owning them is/
[11:40] <seb128> Chipaca, owning 1% doesn't make you own the whole thing ;-)
[11:42] <Chipaca> seb128: poteito, potahto
[11:42] <Chipaca> seb128: i'll stop trolling, now
[11:42] <seb128> Chipaca, it's friday after all ;-)
[11:42] <Chipaca> yes, but nessita is coming
[11:42] <seb128> indeed
[11:42] <seb128> nessita, hey, happy friday ;-)
[11:44] <nessita> hello everyone!
[11:44] <nessita> hola Chipaca, seb128
[11:54] <bigon> pitti: around? I've some consolekit questions
[12:15] <jdstrand> sil2100: hi! would you mind looking at the patch to unity-2d in bug #1016386?
[12:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1016386 in unity-2d "Thunderbird drop downs still don't work in unity 2D" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016386
[12:22] <pitti> hello bigon
[12:29] <bigon> pitti: hello, I've some questions about CK, I saw your name several time related to it
[12:29] <pitti> it's been a while I did anything with it, but what's up?
[12:30] <bigon> 2 things, 1) I'm not sure debian (and I guess ubuntu) are using the pam_ck_connector properly
[12:31] <bigon> for what I've understood it should only be used by login application (login, gdm,...)
[12:31] <bigon> currently I think it's added to the common-session file
[12:32] <pitti> right, so that it applies to "su"
[12:32] <bigon> I saw you did the "nox11" patch to be able to add it in that file
[12:32] <bigon> yeah
[12:32] <pitti> it's not in common-session-noninteractive, to not fire for cron and the like
[12:34] <bigon> so I'm not sure if it would releavant to modify the login-like services manually to add the call to it there
[12:35] <pitti> you do to have the X11 display and active == True there
[12:37] <bigon> well by manually I mean add it in the pam file of the service shipped by the pkg's instead of common-session
[12:37] <bigon> so we could really control how this module is called
[12:37] <pitti> it isn't?
[12:38] <bigon> you mean?
[12:38] <pitti> $ cat /etc/pam.d/lightdm|grep ck_con
[12:38] <pitti> $
[12:38] <bigon> ah
[12:38] <bigon> common-session:sessionoptionalpam_ck_connector.so nox11
[12:38] <pitti> well, it includes common-session of course
[12:38]  * bigon cannot read
[12:38] <pitti> so lightdm still loads it
[12:39] <pitti> but I guess I misunderstood you
[12:39] <bigon> true, but other non login services may also load it
[12:39] <bigon> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677288 BTW)
[12:39] <ubot2> Debian bug 677288 in libpam-runtime "libpam-runtime: Please add pam-auth-update support for loading module in login services" [Wishlist,Open]
[12:40] <bigon> the thing is that pam_ck_connector required to be loaded after pam_loginuid
[12:40] <sil2100> jdstrand: I'll try in a moment
[12:41] <jdstrand> thanks!
[12:41] <bigon> I'm trying to understand why that module has been added to the session-common instead of the individual pam service file
[12:41] <bigon> (which looks more sensible to be)
[12:43] <bigon> the two issue I see with it beiing in session-common are: 1) ordering issue with loginuid 2) it could start a new CK session when this is not inteded
[12:43] <pitti> bigon: because those are conffiles
[12:43] <pitti> which libpam-ck-connector cannot modify
[12:43] <bigon> fedora solved this by using -session optional pam_ck_connector.so
[12:43] <pitti> it can only update common-session{,-noninteractive} through pam-auth-update
[12:44] <pitti> /usr/share/pam-configs/consolekit
[12:44] <bigon> the - meaning that it doesn't fail if the module is not loaded (no loggin, nothing)
[12:44] <bigon> logging
[12:45] <pitti> hm, not sure whether pam-auth-update has a mode for this, to prepend a -
[12:45] <pitti> that's a question for slangasek
[12:47] <bigon> I've already discussed this a but with slangasek, the outcome was the bug 677288 in debian
[12:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 677288 in linuxmint "Linux Mint freezes when connecting the wireless" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677288
[12:47] <bigon> arf
[12:48] <bigon> I justs wanted to know what was the rational of the call being in -common, I was a bit confused actually of when the module should be called
[12:48] <pitti> it's mostly conffile vs. pam-auth-update managed
[12:49] <bigon> yeah I see know
[12:49] <pitti> we could drop the latter, but then woudl have to adjust the conffiles of eveyrthing in the archive which touches PAM sessions
[12:49] <bigon> we might have to do that to add loginuid calls
[12:50] <bigon> as said CK requires this too
[12:50] <bigon> to set a proper "login-session-id" (see ck-list-sessions)
[12:54] <bigon> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676527 and all the bloking bugs
[12:54] <ubot2> Debian bug 676527 in auditd "auditd package shouldn't add pam_loginuid.so in common-session(-interactive)" [Normal,Open]
[12:55] <sil2100> jdstrand: so, on natty the previous fix was not enough? The one in -security?
[13:13] <jdstrand> sil2100: that is correct
[13:25] <dpm> hi kenvandine, I'll create the "Social Networking" page on d.u.c and then I think we're good to go to publish the tutorial. I've done a few edits and I've added 'Conclusion' and 'Learn more' sections to be consistent with the structure of other tutorials on the site. Would you mind adding a few words to the conclusion and seeing if there is anything else we might want to add to 'Learn more'?
[13:27] <kenvandine> dpm, sure... i did tweak it a little more last night and i went ahead and published it :)
[13:27] <kenvandine> so i could give the link to a couple people that have been asking
[13:29] <dpm> kenvandine, sure, but the link will change once the social networking page is published, though. It will no longer be under multimedia/, but social-networking/ - you'll need to update them on that
[13:29] <kenvandine> dpm, i changed the link too :)
[13:29] <kenvandine> i saw you had created the category
[13:29] <kenvandine> thx for adding the screenshots!
[13:29] <dpm> no worries :)
[13:29] <kenvandine> and the bzr instructions :-D
[13:30] <dpm> ;)
[13:30] <kenvandine> nice, you highlighted the code i added... cool
[13:30] <kenvandine> didn't know you could do that
[13:31] <dpm> yeah, I've been working a bit on it this morning, and running the tutorial myself to check everything we write we can actually run :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> dpm, how bad is it if we both edit at the same time?  wordpress isn't as cool as google docs is it?
[13:31]  * kenvandine will wait for the can edit token :)
[13:32] <dpm> kenvandine, you should be good to go, I've finished editing. But Wordpress wants me to close the tab, just a sec :)
[13:51] <kenvandine> sorry dpm!
[13:51] <dpm> kenvandine, lol, no worries, I was about to mention if you had ever heard of pastebin.ubuntu.com ;)
[14:05] <dpm> kenvandine, ok, all pages are now live http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/social-networking/ \o/
[14:06] <kenvandine> woot
[14:06] <kenvandine> thx dpm
[14:07] <dpm> good work kenvandine
[14:07] <kenvandine> thx dpm
[14:08] <kenvandine> thanks for all the help and nagging :)
[14:12] <dpm> ;)
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1005677
[15:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1005677 in qt4-x11 "Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"" [High,Confirmed]
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, skaet is asking about it
[15:40] <seb128> kenvandine, seems overlay-scrollbar related, I think you discussed similar issues with the u1 guys recently?
[16:11] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:11] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[17:21] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, it's being worked on? or yeah ...? ;-
[17:21] <seb128> ;-)
[17:22] <kenvandine> yeah i think it is similar to the other bug
[17:22] <kenvandine> i assigned it to cimi
[17:22] <kenvandine> :)
[17:22] <seb128> kenvandine, like we assigned him gtk bug and got them ignored, or did you get him to agree to look at it? ;-)
[17:24] <kenvandine> no agreement... so you know... :-/
[18:11] <roaksoax> hey guys I was wondering what package contains the Ubuntu presentation templates for LIbreOFfice impress?
[19:39] <dobey> hmm, no mterry


[05:23] <Traveler6> where can i download my printer driver- Dell photo 924
[05:24] <Traveler6> Any advise


[01:19] <len-dt> zequence, interesting thing with the new PA. When jack-sink is available, it becomes default even though pavucontrol still shows the device as default. (this is a good thing)
[01:20] <len-dt> zequence, so if jackd manages to start, then the stream transfers to jack. Good deal.
[01:24] <len-dt> I think the new problem is because PA takes just a bit longer to release the HW than jack takes to aquire it (or try to).
[02:51] <len-dt> It may be worse on my system because it is slower or maybe has a slower drive.
[02:56] <persia> Might also be an architectural thing.  JACK might not want to advertise a working device to PA until it has claimed a device, and PA may not wish to release a device until there is an alternate available.
[02:56] <persia> When a machine is fast enough, the two things happen "simultaneously", making it unnoticeable.
[02:56] <persia> That said, I haven't actually looked at the code to see if it is anything like this.
[02:59] <len-dt> I don't either (know what the code looks like). But PA does stop/release it's stream.
[03:00] <len-dt> I don't know if there is a way to find out who has an alsa port
[03:02] <persia> You can look at lsof output to see what is claiming the device
[03:03] <persia> `lsof | grep /dev/snd` should show you most stuff, although you might get some permission denied errors for some processes (unlikely to be sound-related).
[03:03] <persia> You can make it quieter with 2>/dev/null or sudo, but the output should otherwise be the same.
[03:04] <persia> Mind you, this only reports which kernel devices are currently being accessed: mapping that to specific ports might be a bit trickier, especially if someone is running a multiplexor inside ALSA, or other sorts of interesting configuration.
[03:05] <persia> I believe that by default, Ubuntu doesn't have much fancy ALSA mappings: just definition of 2-channel defaults for cards that don't advertise this well.
[03:08] <len-dt> We don't add any plugins. I will try as I have time.
[03:10] <persia> Heh: take a look in /usr/share/alsa/ sometime if you're curious: there's more than a few cards for which there are special arrangements :)
[03:12] <len-dt> Interesting, Jack has the sinks/sources, but PA retains control of some of the controls.
[03:14] <len-dt> when I cause the problem, Jack says it can't access the hw because some other application has it, but none of the sinks/sources show connections.
[03:16] <len-dt> However, when I killall -9 jackdbus PA takes them back at that time.
[03:17] <persia> JACK might not be able to attach to the sinks/sources without a control connection
[03:19] <len-dt> Ya, but it looks like many things can connect to the controls at the same time.
[03:21] <len-dt> Looks like about 8 things right now.
[03:22] <persia> Hrm.  That's confusing.  Maybe there's some setting in the control that indicates exclusive access, or maybe JACK has higher requirements?
[03:22] <persia> This is deeper than I understand :)
[03:24] <len-dt> When jack is running, PA actually grabs more controls.
[03:25] <len-dt> PA on it's own only uses two channels, but when it's connected to jack it uses 10, because jack sees ten outputs.
[03:25] <len-dt> (12 inputs)
[03:26] <len-dt> Every time I have started jackdbus, PA is running. The difference is only if PA has accessed a port or not.
[03:27] <len-dt> That is why I think timing may be something to do with it. When PA is idle it can give up the ports faster
[03:28] <len-dt> In this version of PA it does more things as it gives up the port. (nice things actually)
[03:29] <len-dt> It seems to have figured out that jack is replacing a port and redirects that stream to jack.
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Hey scott-work, how are you?
[12:40] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw , slight headache today. but i expected it since i was having some sinus issues lately *shrug*
[12:41] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yesterday (and probably today) have been real busy at work because of a small crisis with one of our jobs in the field, but i do hope today to add some to the blueprint for testing
[12:41] <smartboyhw> scott-work, oh no on the headache and work, :-D on the blueprints
[12:42] <scott-work> P)
[12:42] <scott-work> oops :)
[12:43] <smartboyhw> scott-work,lol
[12:49] <astraljava> scott-work: You got something wrong on the right lens of your goggles.
[19:37] <scott-work> astraljava: just a note to say that i increased the max size limit for emails to the ubuntustudio-devel mailing list because the nansukan ones for the images keep getting hung up
[19:38] <scott-work> hmmm, however, i just though i might be able to uncoditionally approve those emails and keep the limit the same
[19:38]  * scott-work is digging back into the mailman options
[19:40] <scott-work> eh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was already on the "automatically accepted" list, so it looks like the limit size is considered separately after approval
[19:41] <scott-work> leaving it with the size increase then
[19:56] <zequence> Damn. I never got the beta steam client, as all members of UDS were to get
[19:56] <zequence> The "wine" version works just fine for me though
[20:14]  * micahg hasn't gotten one yet eitehr
[20:34] <scott-work> we keep getting errors building the i386 version of the image, it looks like blender, -video, and -graphics are problems, they might all stem from blender
[23:27] <ttoine> zequence, steam was demonstrated on Ubuntu ?
[23:46] <ttoine> at the UDS, I mean ,
[23:46] <ttoine> ?


[12:01] <crimsun> ooh
[12:01] <crimsun> breezy-backports? lemme get that url!
[12:01] <tseng> ogra: are you joking?
[12:02] <ogra> sure
[12:02] <ogra> its release day....dont take me serious
[12:02] <tseng> ok
[12:02] <crimsun> =)
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <tseng> my hand is shaking
[12:02] <tseng> odd.
[12:03] <ogra> time to set up your own buildd then ;)
[12:08] <trulux> WOOOHAAAA
[12:08] <trulux> waka waka
[12:08] <trulux> tseng: hand shaking? I hope there's no comb. with porn
[12:08] <tseng> no
[12:09] <trulux> tseng: good
[12:09] <trulux> tseng: tomorrow I will have finished the first gcc-3.4-hardened package
[12:09] <tseng> ok
[12:10] <trulux> tseng: how're you doing, btw
[12:10] <tseng> can someone tell me for sure what gcc we are using for breezy
[12:10] <tseng> fine trulux, a little busy
[12:11] <trulux> yeah, the gcc version for breezy is something I really need to know, I won't have a lot of tie for finishing the SSP GCC-4.0 port
[12:11] <trulux> s/tie/time ;P
[12:11] <tseng> doko: can you speak to what gcc version will be default in breezy?
[12:13] <doko> there's a rumor that we'll target for 4.0 ...
[12:13] <tseng> wild.
[12:13] <trulux> hah
[12:13] <Mithrandir> doko: that's crazy, I say.
[12:13] <tseng> sounds it
[12:14] <trulux> doko: I will need to work with someone experienced in gcc-3.4 to 4.0 transition, in development terms
[12:14] <trulux> ret_into_stack functions are no more available on 4.0
[12:14] <trulux> which fucks my bloody ass and makes me pretty disappointed with some code porting
[12:14] <doko> Mithrandir: why?
[12:14] <tseng> you said "fucks my bloody ass"
[12:15] <trulux> weird thing, any thoughts on a Glibc upgrade? (*shrug*)
[12:15] <tseng> thats brilliant.
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: that's weird too
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: damn it
[12:15] <tseng> id blog it if it werent on planet
[12:15] <Mithrandir> doko: look at the gcc-3.4 archive in debian-amd64?
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: I hope you don't
[12:15] <jbailey> trulux: What do you need re: a glibc upgrade?
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: btw, I need to talk to jdub to get in the planet
[12:16] <trulux> jbailey: just asking
[12:16] <tseng> you need to be a member
[12:16] <trulux> tseng: I'm applying
[12:16] <tseng> ok.
[12:16] <jbailey> trulux: I'm not sure what you're asking though. =)
[12:16] <doko> Mithrandir: where's the gcc-4.0 archive as a comparision?
[12:16] <Mithrandir> doko: the gcc-3.4 archive is gcc-4.0 now. :P
[12:16] <trulux> jbailey: glibc 2.3.4
[12:16] <trulux> Mithrandir: :)
[12:16] <jbailey> trulux: 2.3.5 was release yesterday morning, it's what I'm testing with now.
[12:16] <jbailey> released, even.
[12:17] <trulux> jbailey: sounds good, how's it going?
[12:17] <doko> Mithrandir: so why is 3.4 better?
[12:17] <Mithrandir> doko: I'm not sure it's better.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> I'm just saying we'll have a lot of failures
[12:17] <jbailey> trulux: No testsuite failures on my test ppc system.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> and we want to switch until Debian does.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> I think
[12:17] <doko> I can't deny that
[12:18] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If we stay with 3.4 we'll have multiple compilers to support, which might be more of a pain.
[12:18] <jbailey> All the changes that need to happen for 4.0 need to happen anyway.
[12:19] <doko> Mithrandir: Debian will switch when unstable becomes independent from sarge. It's just a question _when_ we'll have to bite the apple ....
[12:19] <Mithrandir> doko: I know..
[12:19] <Mithrandir> doko: it just makes me want to stab myself with a spoon.
[12:19] <Mithrandir> -
[12:19] <doko> :)
[12:22] <doko> jbailey: we might have to support 3.4 for g77
[12:22] <trulux> jbailey: good, any intenttion to give it a try for packaging?
[12:23] <jbailey> doko: Yeah, I guess. =(  Does it have to be in main?
[12:24] <jbailey> trulux: If you have a ppc system, I could hand you .debs right now.
[12:24] <jbailey> Note that I haven't got all the language pack stuff in, so it will break things that you expect to work.
[12:24] <ajmitch> 208 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:24] <ajmitch> Need to get 349MB of archives.
[12:25] <ajmitch> shows that I got a bit behind ;)
[12:26] <doko> jbailey: yes, python-numeric-ext build-depends on it ;)
[12:26] <jbailey> doko: Bah, and this is the wrong crowd to shout "Fie Python!" in, isn't it? ;)
[12:27] <doko> jbailey: there's no java replacement ;-P
[12:28] <ajmitch> jbailey: but you love python
[12:31] <jbailey> ajmitch: The sad part is that I do like python.  I just wish that distutils would go away.
[12:36] <trulux> jbailey: no ppc here
[12:37] <trulux> jbailey: only i386
[12:37] <jbailey> trulux: I'm doing my development on ppc and ia64 at the moment.  I'll do i386 a bit later, since it's my slowest machine.
[12:40] <trulux> jbailey: oh, ok, that could rock
[12:41] <jbailey> trulux: Is ther esomething you're looking for in particular?
[02:26] <tritium> trulux, are you still struggling with gnuplot?
[02:30] <tritium> trulux, I'll look for you after dinner...
[07:15] <crimsun> hmm.
[07:15] <crimsun> I should work on packaging e17
[07:21] <schweeb> shadoi already makes packages... you should probably look at them and see if they're acceptable
[07:21] <crimsun> were they listed on apt-get.org? If so, they'll be pulled in for Breezy.
[07:22] <schweeb> no
[07:23] <schweeb> http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/2004/11/enlightenment-for-needy.html
[07:23] <crimsun> ok, thanks.
[07:23] <crimsun> I'll contact and see about cleaning them up.
[07:24] <schweeb> he does occasional builds from CVS... dunno how often exactly
[07:26] <whiprush> did dholbach stop by today? or is he dead from packaging?
[09:50] <dholbach> morning
[09:53] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:53] <ajmitch> how does it feel to wake up & not have lists of packages to work on? ;)
[09:54] <dholbach> boring, very boring indeed :-)
[09:54] <dholbach> i think i'm doing some hacking on my thesis now :-)
[09:54] <ajmitch> heh
[09:55] <ajmitch> if only I could put off my work until after releases :)
[10:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: i hope it opens up soon, i have like 30 packages lying around which just need uploading
[10:47] <ajmitch> what, only 30? ;)
[10:47] <dholbach> was only kidding ;-)
[10:48] <dholbach> did you see jordi's blog entry about seb210?
[10:48] <dholbach> http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/seb210-2005-04-08-20-30
[11:07] <Treenaks> that one's great
[11:12] <Burgundavia> dholbach, I have another source for you
[11:12] <Burgundavia> most of the stuff we already have, but there are a few new things
[11:14] <dholbach> Burgundavia: would you mail it to me, so i could back there as soon as breezy opens?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> dholbach, hey, np
[11:15] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[11:15] <Burgundavia> dholbach, I will do the checking for what we have and don't have
[11:15] <Burgundavia> so you know exactly what to pull
[11:15] <dholbach> Burgundavia: i'd rather mail the maintainer
[11:15] <Burgundavia> this is from another debian deriv
[11:15] <Burgundavia> most of the stuff is debian sid
[11:20] <hsprang> g'morning!
[11:20] <dholbach> hey hsprang
[11:25] <hsprang> dholbach, just saw you planned a "release barbecue", but as you where here yesterday, this didn't happen, i guess?
[11:25] <dholbach> not really
[11:26] <dholbach> mvo and i are going to have a beer today :-)
[11:26] <dholbach> we REALLY need to improve the loco-team structure :-)
[11:29] <hsprang> at least there are some more people next to you - here in the north i could have a beer with me and myself :) hm, or go to london...
[11:29] <hsprang> bbl, breakfast...
[11:43] <dholbach> hsprang: herzi should live near you (somewhere in hamburg at least)
[11:50] <dholbach> see you later
[12:36] <hsprang> re
[12:40] <herve> hi!
[12:51] <HostingGeek> hi
[12:51] <HostingGeek> How dear you not say hi to super herve!
[12:52] <HostingGeek> How do you think you are?
[12:52] <trulux> woka
[12:54] <HostingGeek> *Who
[12:54] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: woka != the king!
[12:54] <HostingGeek> * trulux
[12:54] <HostingGeek> to many people in this channel
[12:55] <Lathiat> yeh get out, your crowding us
[12:55] <herve> HostingGeek, you make too much noise
[12:55] <HostingGeek> no for tab completions
[12:55] <Noise> herve: better?
[12:56] <herve> worst
[12:56] <Noise> :(
[12:56] <trulux> oh no, he's back!
[01:47] <tseng> jeez im the #3 hit on google for dpatch
[01:50] <Lathiat> haha
[02:00] <HostingGeek> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view is showing the nice human colors
[02:00] <HostingGeek> not the ones in the final which look UGLAY!!!!!
[02:04] <HostingGeek> ubuntu is starting to suck now... i loved brown! i hate redish-brown!
[02:04] <HostingGeek> like the redish theme made me rethhink ubuntu...
[02:05] <HostingGeek> ubuntu now only rocks because of the motu team
[02:05] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek, please keep your talk to universe/multiverse mattesr
[02:06] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: ok
[02:47] <herzi> hsprang: which part of hamburg are you from?
[02:47] <herzi> dholbach: take a look at our ident strings and you'll see the we're both from hamburg
[02:48] <herzi> s/the/that/
[02:48] <dholbach> herzi: i knew before :-)
[02:48] <hsprang> herzi, he already knew that and told me when i was worried about having my releas party only with me and myself :)
[02:52] <herve> dholbach, hi Daniel!
[02:52] <dholbach> hey herve
[02:53] <dholbach> how are you?
[02:53] <herve> quite fine
[02:53] <herve> slept enough :)
[02:53] <dholbach> :-)
[02:54] <herve> what about you?
[02:54] <herve> you party for the hoary release?
[02:54] <dholbach> i'm fine... thanks - went back to a normal sleep cycle :-)
[02:54] <dholbach> herve: i'm going to have a beer with mvo tonight
[02:54] <ogra> dholbach, how silly, you should train yourself on .au cycle :)
[02:54] <dholbach> nothing exciting, we need to improve the LoCo teams :-)
[02:54] <herve> and work on your thesis next week? :-p
[02:55] <dholbach> ogra: haha... nothing to train - i think i'm quite good at surviving without sleep :-)
[02:55] <ogra> heh
[02:55] <dholbach> herve: yeah... i'll do some hacking on it
[02:55] <dholbach> herve: already had a bunch of ideas
[02:55] <herve> don't forget them ;-)
[02:56] <herzi> dholbach: about loco-coordination: http://blaubeermuffin.de/deutschlandkarte/
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: we absolutely need that
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: oops
[02:56] <dholbach> herzi: we absolutely need that
[02:56] <herzi> :D
[02:57] <AstralJava> Hi folks.
[02:57] <dholbach> herzi: you should talk to jdub and smurfix
[02:57] <herzi> http://blaubeermuffin.de/stuff/deutschlandkarte.tar.bz2
[03:00] <hsprang> herzi, dholbach i like the idea with that map, too!
[03:00] <hsprang> hy AstralJava
[03:13] <dholbach> hsprang: #ubuntu-devel :-)
 https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[03:14] <Treenaks> get a fix!
[03:18] <Lathiat> walk outside :)
[03:19] <Treenaks> Lathiat: the antenna is already outside.. it worked already
[03:19] <Lathiat> ah ok :)
[03:20] <Lathiat> walk outside anyway
[03:20] <Lathiat> just for fun
[03:20] <Lathiat> :)
[03:20] <Treenaks> Lathiat: but it's cold.. and windy
[03:20] <Lathiat> heh
[03:20] <herzi> Treenaks: that's a excuse, not a reason
[03:21] <herzi> +n
[03:21] <Treenaks> herzi: still.. I have a fix now.. so there's no need
[03:21] <AstralJava> Why go out in the cold when you can be in with Ubuntu?
[03:22] <AstralJava> Doesn't make any sense.
[03:22] <Treenaks> AstralJava: especially the "march" calendar :P
[03:22] <Lathiat> ah but you can be outside with the philosophy of ubuntu
[03:22] <Lathiat> Treenaks: *G*
[03:22] <Lathiat> HUMANITY
[03:22] <AstralJava> Treenaks: Yeah. :)
[03:22] <Lathiat> im waiting for april
[03:22] <Lathiat> damnit
[03:22] <Lathiat> the installer is a bit braindead if you don't have an internet connection
[03:22] <Lathiat> sits for far too long trying to test the network repostory
[03:23] <Lathiat> youd think that since i have no default gateway and no NS configured itd time out pretty quick
[03:24] <ajmitch_> one would hope so
[03:25] <herzi> i LOVE sharpmusique
[03:27] <ajmitch_> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=-45.8681&lon=170.5039&scale=5000&icon=x
[03:27] <ajmitch_> looks close enough for me :)
[03:27] <ajmitch_> morning bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:46] <herve> hey! an encolpe!
[03:46] <encolpe> Hello people
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello encolpe
[04:02] <dholbach> bbl
[06:37] <jaldhar> dholbach: so I talked to mako yesterday.  Which docs do I need to read to learn about becoming a MOTU?
[06:38] <dholbach> hey jaldhar
[06:38] <ogra> jaldhar, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU is a good start....there are several subpages
[06:38] <dholbach> we don't have so much docs around yet
[06:38] <dholbach> lots of pioneer atmosphere :-)
[06:38] <ogra> (getting involved, recruitment etc)
[06:38] <jaldhar> ok I'll do that
[06:39] <dholbach> the general approach is helping out, fixing packages, working together, becoming member (in the communitycouncil meeting), having a good gpg key, being approved as MOTU :-)
[06:39] <dholbach> (in short) :-)
[06:40] <tseng> dholbach: ping
[06:40] <dholbach> tseng: pong
[06:40] <jaldhar> btw, I noticed somewhere that Ubuntu like Debian won't distribute pine because of the license.  But UW distrubute their own .deb.  Couldn't that be included?
[06:40] <schweeb> ping response time: 100ms
[06:41] <tseng> dholbach: can you come to debian-mono and test for amd64 maybe?
[06:41] <ogra> dholbach,  you forgot "fixing even more packages" before "having a good gpg key"
[06:41] <dholbach> tseng: i think i'll leave soon -> beer with mvo, but will join
[06:41] <dholbach> tseng: just a sec
[06:41] <dholbach> ogra: right
[06:41] <jaldhar> well as a DD I have excellent GPG credentials
[06:41] <tseng> ogra: how about you?
[06:41] <dholbach> jaldhar: i tried a version, which didnt compile
[06:41] <tseng> ogra: wanna test mono on amd64?
[06:41] <ogra> tseng, sure....where is the repo ?
[06:41] <tseng> #debian-mono
[06:42] <ogra> bah...pointing synaptic to IRC works ?
[06:42] <tseng> yep
[06:42] <jaldhar> dholbach: it is a little tricky but not impossible on arge atleast.  I maintain an unofficial package.
[06:42] <tseng> brand new transport backend
[06:42] <tseng> (he hasnt posted a link yet)
[06:42] <ogra> hehe
[06:42] <dholbach> jaldhar: if the license isnt TOO anal, we could have it in multiverse
[06:43] <dholbach> i can't remember what the problem exactly was
[06:43] <dholbach> but i tried to compile it 5 years ago on potato and it didnt work either ;-)
[06:44] <ogra> dholbach, its a similar license to javas... wont work for multiverse i guess
[06:44] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:44] <dholbach> well... i'm no expert
[06:44] <ogra> (it forbids to distribute similar progs)
[06:44] <jaldhar> dholbach: the problem is the license is badly worded.  They don't actually mind if people modify and redistribute but we have to go by what they have actually written.
[06:45] <dholbach> jaldhar: it should be re-worded then :-)
[06:45] <dholbach> ogra:  you will have to teach me how to do all that flashy gimp stuff one day
[06:45] <ogra> yeah, convince upstream
[06:45] <jaldhar> ogra: all they wanted was that people put an L to denote it is not an official UW version but it didn't turn out that way.
[06:46] <ogra> dholbach, a personal BOF in .au ?
[06:46] <dholbach> ogra: if we will have the time...
[06:46] <dholbach> ogra: or a --dry-run on the plane :-)
[06:46] <jaldhar> dholbach: I already had that conversation with UW years ago.  It's not going to happen :(
[06:46] <ogra> hehe...dunno if i can that from the top of my head
[06:46] <dholbach> jaldhar: :-/
[06:47] <dholbach> ogra: i just want a piece of text to look flashy, *grmbl*
[06:48] <dholbach> i didnt know OOo was stupid enough to ask me every 15 minutes for a "auto-save"... wow
[06:48] <Lathiat> ahaha
[06:49] <Lathiat> dholbach: those may be for real saves
[06:49] <ogra> dholbach, Xtns->script fu-> logos
[06:49] <Lathiat> dholbach: like it autosaves a backup, but remidns you every 15 minutes you might wan tot actualy save the file
[06:49] <Lathiat> OO.o2 is pretty swanky
[06:49] <Lathiat> gonna try ipress to write my slides
[06:50] <Lathiat> gotta try getting my laptop to go with a projector too
[06:52] <dholbach> ogra: all those stupid logos shrink the whole canvas *grmbl*
[06:53] <ogra> dholbach, just put a layer in the background...
[06:53] <dholbach> ah hm... well
[07:17] <zyga> hello
[07:18] <zyga> what is the procedure to request an upgrade of package in universe?
[07:18] <zyga> I'm currently building lilipond 2.4.x because 2.2.x is not usable and 2.4.x is marked as stable
[07:19] <dholbach> zyga: does debian have it?
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: ubuntu has it
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, you can ask here, add it to the MOTUToSync page on the wiki....but it wont be possible before breezy is open....
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: it seeems debian has it too, wait
[07:19] <dholbach> zyga: does debian have the new version?
[07:19] <zyga> ogra: ah so universe is bound by the freeze too?
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, sync means we can pull it from sid
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, sure
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: yes
[07:19] <dholbach> universe "released" as well
[07:20] <zyga> http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.4
[07:20] <zyga> ubuntu has 2.2.6
[07:20] <dholbach> zyga: if debian has the new version, we can grab it from there (as long as somebody tested it on ubuntu before), else we'll have to package a new version
[07:21] <zyga> dholbach: debian has a bit outdated version too, I think I'll wait for breezy and request it via wiki
[07:21] <dholbach> zyga: we can't sync what is not packaged
[07:21] <dholbach> zyga: so if YOU would provide us with a nice new source package, we could review and upload it :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: I've never packaged anything before
[07:22] <dholbach> zyga: that's where we all started :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: after I finish my work here (I need to make some pretty pdf's with notes) I could try and learn
[07:22] <dholbach> cool! :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: notes have a deadline till tommorow :)
[07:22] <zyga> okay thanks for the insight :)
[07:23] <dholbach> anytime :-)
[07:25] <zyga> I had some warnings about autoconf 2.59 being not compatible with g++ 3.x
[07:27] <dholbach> i'm off - have a nice evening
[07:27] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[07:27] <dholbach> bye ogra
[08:02] <d> Hi!
[08:03] <d> Any chance of seeing the musepack decoder enter universe or multiverse anytime soon?
[08:04] <d> Along with the beep media player and the xmms musepack plug-in?
[08:05] <ogra> d, sure, but it will only be available in breezy
[08:05] <ogra> which wont be usable for the next 6-8 weeks i guess
[08:05] <d> aww! :( Whens the first release of Breezy? October?
[08:05] <ogra> yop
[08:05] <ogra> hoary is stable, so it will only see security updates
[08:06] <d> what? I'll have to compile something? ;)
[08:07] <ogra> nah, you have to help testing breezy ;)
[08:08] <crimsun> d: I said I'll be maintaining those
[08:08] <crimsun> you're welcome to join me if you wish
[08:09] <d> no prob. Have I got to sign up, get a bugzilla account or something to report bugs in ubuntu? DVD playback is broke in multiverse Mplayer
[08:09] <crimsun> please file bugs in malone (see topic)
[08:10] <d> whats malone?
[08:10] <ogra> d, our bugtracker
[08:28] <trulux> anyone here knows well on povray?
[08:33] <ogra> hmm, #povray or #blender probably if they exist
[08:39] <trulux> ogra: yeah, #povray looks dead :(
[08:39] <ogra> :-/
[08:39] <ogra> sorry, its about 6 years ago i touched it last...
[08:41] <trulux> I'm writing a paper for school, just writing a earth model
[08:41] <trulux> and got
[08:41] <trulux> Parse Error: No matching } in 'texture', undeclared identifier 'of' found instead
[08:41] <trulux> based on an old work
[08:41] <trulux> I needed to rewrite some things, halo is no more available on 3.5
[08:41] <trulux> etc
[08:42] <ogra> hmm
[09:41] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:41] <crimsun> need to check fluxbox 0.1.14
[09:41] <crimsun> err, 0.9.12
[09:42] <AstralJava> Oh?
[09:42] <crimsun> yeah, I'll try to maintain those, too
[09:42] <AstralJava> Right. :)
[09:43] <AstralJava> Did you go somewhere last night, I mean any of those release parties?
[09:45] <crimsun> no, I graded exams and programming assignments
[09:46] <crimsun> actually I should ask ikaro if he wants to maintain them, since he's upstream, heh
[09:48] <crimsun> back later
[09:49] <AstralJava> 'k.
[09:56] <tseng> crimsun: ikaro is upstream fluxbox?
[09:56] <tseng> afaik he just runs a themes site
[10:44] <tseng> is breezy open yet???????????/
[10:44] <tseng> i need a new libsqlite
[10:45] <schweeb> rol
[10:46] <ogra> tseng, as i said before.... after the backports are up ;)
[10:47] <schweeb> I imagine elmo took a bit of a vacation
[10:47] <schweeb> so it could be a while :)
[10:49] <ogra> schweeb, unlikely that elmo has one silent minute today...
[10:50] <schweeb> heh
[10:50] <ajmitch> ogra: I can't believe that you're saying the word! :)
[10:50] <ogra> schweeb, the backbone for the archives was broken several times today
[10:50] <ogra> ajmitch, its allowed in jokes ;)
[10:50] <schweeb> ogra: ouch
[10:58] <Mithrandir> tseng: it's "up", but you can't upload to it yet.
[10:58] <tseng> Mithrandir: i was mostly joking
[10:58] <tseng> but im ready to go :)
[10:59] <Mithrandir> now I want sarge to release so I can release a new pkg-config I can upload to debian so I can sync it to Ubuntu.
[10:59] <Mithrandir> :P
[10:59] <Mithrandir> (Or I could just upload it to Ubuntu)
[10:59] <schweeb> hah
[10:59] <schweeb> Sarge... release?
[10:59] <schweeb> impossible!


[01:51] <TheProf> Hello.  I hope everyone is well.  I recently switched from K12Linux based on Fedora to Edubuntu and everything has been wonderful.  I am having a problem with one area -- I was used to the server sending emails about different things to root (free disk space, sudo attempts, temp, etc.) but I can't seem to find this emails.  Does Edubuntu do this also? I'm worried I'm missing something that might be happening.
[01:59] <stgraber> it doesn't by default, there are tools for that though, can't remember the name of the one you describe
[02:01] <TheProf> stgraber, Hello. I did activate logrotate which often is used.  So if I understand you correctly I've got nothing really to worry about?
[02:02] <stgraber> logrotate just moves log files to avoid having them becoming huge, it won't actually parse them to check for sudo errors or that kind of things
[02:04] <stgraber> something like logwatch might be what you want
[02:04] <TheProf> I'm sorry - I meant logwatch.
[02:05] <stgraber> ok, so yes you should be fine then, assuming your server can correctly send e-mails
[02:06] <TheProf> stgraber, ok I'll check it again
[02:10] <TheProf> stgraber, thanks. Have to run now.