[07:01] <Lathiat> breaks my keyboard too in console mode
[07:01] <Lathiat> (this is without composite)
[07:01] <bezak> yeah I used to have kde on my old x86 box and konqueror is too feature packed, rox seems small and simple
[07:01] <SuperL4g> Rene_S, how do you like it, thus far?
[07:01] <gen> superl4g: yea im on hoary
[07:01] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, Its ok, not as bad as I thought
[07:02] <gen> i had sound problems, but i worked them out
[07:02] <gen> running fine so far
[07:02] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, last upgrade it forgot to install the gnome panel but that was fixable
[07:02] <SuperL4g> Rene_S, what issues have you seen, so far?
[07:02] <shashi> hello, a friend of mine has enabled root on my ubuntu installation, how to undo it?
[07:03] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, fam is a thing of the past so ya need to install gamin or else its like pulling teeth
[07:03] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, things sloow down
[07:03] <SuperL4g> I'm not familiar with fam.
[07:03] <gen> rene_s: not for me
[07:03] <SuperL4g> Rene_S: so it's slower than warty?
[07:03] <gen> no super
[07:03] <Rene_S> No, not really
[07:04] <Rene_S> Just earlier it had an issue because of a missing file
[07:04] <Lowry> Upgrading to hoary - I am getting between 18-35 kB/s Is this normal?
[07:04] <gen> lowry: thats low
[07:04] <gen> i was pulling 200+ consistantly
[07:05] <Lowry> I am on cable - but via ethernet to a g4
[07:05] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, Evolution at least for me is wacked out
[07:05] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, refused to send emails so I am gonna use thunderbird for now
[07:06] <nixman> bborkk, i uncommented universe and it all seems fine. i still have no idea what the effects of upgrade would be.
[07:07] <Rene_S> I hope they put the services-admin thing back into system tools
[07:07] <Lowry> X.org would be included?
[07:07] <Lathiat> hmm x.org doesnt work if your using the synaptics driver
[07:07] <Lathiat> cus it doesnt have one and the config migration breaks :0
[07:08] <Lathiat> :) rather
[07:08] <bezak> does ubuntu have a control panel for admin stuff ala the drak tools in mandrake, or am i going to be getting my hands dirty in the text files
[07:08] <Lathiat> bezak: computer -> system tools
[07:08] <bezak> are they ubuntu native, or borrowed from somewhere else and are they nice to use?
[07:09] <Lathiat> They are the gnome system tools
[07:09] <Lathiat> i love them
[07:09] <bezak> oh ok sweet
[07:09] <bezak> im a complete gnome noob
[07:09] <bezak> haha
[07:10] <Lowry> Can ubuntu boot from firewire on ppc?
[07:11] <WW> Lathiat: Are you running hoary?
[07:11] <Lathiat> ww: yar
[07:12] <WW> Lathiat: I figured.  I don't have Computer -> System Tools
[07:12] <Lathiat> oh
[07:12] <Lathiat> the computer menu
[07:12] <Lathiat> not the desktop item
[07:12] <Rene_S> System Configuration
[07:12] <WW> Lathiat: Ah, it's Applications -> System Tools
[07:12] <Lathiat> theres also desktop preferences, depending on what your trying to do
[07:12] <Lathiat> Rene_S: oh right, my bad
[07:12] <Lathiat> i wasnt looking at it
[07:12] <Lathiat> was fixing my broken xorg :)
[07:13] <Rene_S> There used to be on for services or runlevels whichever ya prefer
[07:13] <Rene_S> Wow, the internet has killed my spelling
[07:14] <Lathiat> gah now my panel got all messed up
[07:14] <WW> Rene_S: rite, u ment witchever
[07:15] <Rene_S> WW, heheh ok
[07:15] <SuperL4g> Lathiat: I don't know if what applies in Gentoo applies here, but for Gentoo, we have to use the _external_ synaptics driver for it to work
[07:15] <hypa7ia> I HAVE WIFI!!!!!
[07:15] <Rene_S> I HAVE 8TRACK
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> I got some bluetooth dongles that I bid for ina fit of craziness
[07:15] <hypa7ia> lol Rene_S
[07:15] <gen> I HAVE A TAPE DECK > *
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> and the drivers load
[07:16] <WW> I gotta rock
[07:16] <hypa7ia> SuperL4g: synaptics tablet drivers?
[07:16] <Rene_S> I got a funky radio that is shapped like an oil filter i got when i was 13
[07:16] <SuperL4g> OKay.... too early for Hoary, but now I'm getting errors when I try to apt-get update
[07:16] <SuperL4g> hypa7ia: yep
[07:16] <gen> errors like what
[07:17] <hypa7ia> SuperL4g: mine worked out of the box in warty, did it break on upgrade to hoary?
[07:17] <gen> my hoary upgrade was smooth
[07:17] <davyd> where's my xcompmgr ?!?!
[07:17] <gen> ?!?!?!
[07:17] <Lathiat> i had to wget the package
[07:18] <Lathiat> the Packages files wrong
[07:18] <SuperL4g> gen: I didn't proceed, but hold on, I'll put it on my web server
[07:18] <Lathiat> dpkg -i it
[07:18] <Rene_S> I went from the CD right to Hoary, only stopped in Warty to pin Kaffeine
[07:18] <Lathiat> then apt-get -f install
[07:18] <Lathiat> to get the rest :)
[07:18] <Lathiat> but the hints to add to the config file didnt work for me
[07:18] <gen> superl4g: you'll put what on your webserver
[07:18] <Lathiat> tells me Enabled isnt a valid option
[07:18] <gen> the error?
[07:19] <Lowry> 16kB/sec
[07:19] <gen> haha
[07:19] <davyd> Lathiat: you're talking to me?
[07:19] <Lathiat> yar
[07:20] <seek187> geeze some of these pages in firefox the letters are soooooo small
[07:20] <davyd> hmm, is it going to get turned on by default at some point?
[07:20] <SuperL4g> gen: the errors
[07:20] <Lathiat> i also had to munge my config file cus the synaptics and xtt modules didnt exist that migrated, but it sounds like your xorg is working already
[07:20] <SuperL4g> gen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors
[07:20] <Lathiat> davyd: well apparently its too slow and buggy at the moment, did you read the email daniel sent out?
[07:20] <MikeSander> Hello
[07:20] <davyd> Lathiat: don't think so
[07:20] <Lathiat> let me bounce it to you
[07:20] <MikeSander> I'm after a bit of assistance with ClamAV
[07:20] <davyd> Lathiat: cool thanks
[07:20] <Lathiat> done
[07:21] <Lathiat><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <davyd> hmm, perhaps I should turn it on, and then teach gnome-terminal and panel to use it if it's available
[07:21] <MikeSander> I got it using synaptic - which has clam version 0.73
[07:21] <MikeSander> The latest version is 0.8 and it won't do an automatic update without it - too old version
[07:21] <MikeSander> is anyone able to assist?
[07:22] <MikeSander> main problem, is that compiling from source will install to the wrong directories to the ubuntu package
[07:22] <Rene_S> maybe prefix=/path/path ?
[07:23] <Rene_S> not sure how the prefix command works
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> davyd: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/ubuntu has a transset deb
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-terminal in ubuntu does not support it
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> xcompmgr crashes
[07:23] <davyd> HrdwrBoB: I'm aware it doesn't
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> and it's slow as hell
[07:23] <davyd> HrdwrBoB: that is something that should be fixed
[07:24] <davyd> I have been informed Konsole now can do translucency via composite
[07:24] <davyd> don't want to be behind the 8ball
[07:24] <davyd> Lathiat: how are exams?
[07:24] <MikeSander> Thankyou anyone Rene_S has anyone else got any ideas on ClamAV
[07:24] <gen> will ff1.0 come up in synaptic eventually
[07:25] <Lathiat> davyd: crap
[07:25] <Lathiat> i think i passed physics
[07:25] <Lathiat> big question i missede tho
[07:25] <Rene_S> gen, cant see why it wouldn't
[07:25] <Lathiat> english exam is tomorrow :9
[07:25] <Lathiat> :(
[07:25] <davyd> Lathiat: remember scaling ;)
[07:25] <davyd> Lathiat: yeah, I think my brother has english tomorrow
[07:25] <davyd> something else too I think
[07:26] <Lathiat> two exams in one day? unlucky
[07:26] <davyd> hmm, maybe that's Friday
[07:26] <Lathiat> only 150 or so students out of all the TEE sitters have two in one day
[07:26] <SuperL4g> gen: you see those error messages?
[07:26] <SuperL4g> gen: I figured rerunning apt-setup would fix the issue, but it doesn't
[07:26] <gen> what error messages
 gen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors
[07:28] <gen> let's see your sources.list
[07:28] <SuperL4g> gen: what I did was s/warty/hoary in sources.list, apt-get update, changed my mind, and switched back to warty.
[07:29] <gen> switched back?
[07:29] <SuperL4g> yeah
[07:30] <SuperL4g> I never actually performed the upgrade
[07:30] <gen> so whats the question if you dont want hoary
[07:30] <SuperL4g> I cannot run an update now, without getting those errors.
[07:30] <Lathiat> hmmm.. are we supposd to file hoary bugs in bugzilla?
[07:31] <gen> do you have multiverse or universe enablked
[07:31] <gen> enabled*
[07:31] <Lathiat> seems to be no option for watrty/hoary and it sent my bug to warty-bugs@blah when i submitted it
[07:31] <Rene_S> Hmm i am confused how in the world does gnome system monitor take up 18.2 mb of mem when i just opened it ?
[07:31] <SuperL4g> gen: same domain /sources.list
[07:32] <gen> SuperL4g: i really don't know why those erros would be occuring
[07:34] <AlohaWolf> has anyone here managed to get java working in mozilla?
[07:34] <deFrysk> AlohaWolf, everyone here has managed that
[07:34] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: top :-(
[07:35] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, bottom :)
[07:35] <AlohaWolf> well.. I followed the peachy little directions, and everytime I navigate to a page that has Java on it in mozilla, mozilla promptly crashes
[07:35] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, hehe
[07:35] <GammaRay> Rene_S: top isn't accurate.. try xrestop
[07:36] <Rene_S> command not found ;(
[07:37] <Rene_S> top worked though
[07:37] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: side?
[07:37] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, back
[07:37] <GammaRay> well shucks.. it seems you are defeated
[07:37] <GammaRay> probably should give up
[07:37] <SuperL4g> How can I basically dump the existing apt config and start over?
[07:37] <SuperL4g> apt-setup alone isn't fixing the issue
[07:38] <Rene_S> Yep gonna go back and apologize to Uncle Billy and ask for his forgivness
[07:38] <SuperL4g> got it.
[07:39] <Rene_S> hehe I got 0 zombies on my computer.
[07:45] <MikeSander> exir
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> bigtony:
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> hey
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> over here
[07:50] <SuperL4g> any of you guys run KDE on your Ubuntu boxen?
[07:50] <nomasteryoda> bigtony:
[07:51] <Rene_S> Nope, just a couple of apps that use kde libs
[07:51] <hypa7ia> ibid.  just Scribus, at the moment.
[07:52] <Rene_S> Kaffeine and Apollon for me
[07:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigtony, going on hoary
[07:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> nice
[07:56] <punkass> where would i find the xcompmgr for xorg?
[07:59] <bezak> who decides that the plural of box is boxen?
[08:01] <ubll> bezak, some nerd :>
[08:01] <punkass> my rhythmbox decided not to work after an update to hoary..anyone else run into the same thing?
[08:01] <bezak> ubll: lol it just seems rediculous to me the plural of box is obv. boxes
[08:02] <hypa7ia> noooooo
[08:02] <hypa7ia> it's totally boxen
[08:02] <hypa7ia> :-)
[08:02] <ubll> lol
[08:02] <bezak> hypa7ia: what is that german or some shit haha :)
[08:02] <hypa7ia> ox:oxen::box:boxen
[08:02] <hypa7ia> lols
[08:03] <hypa7ia> hey, i got 800 on the verbal SAT.  i say it goes!
[08:03] <hypa7ia> mwahahaha
[08:03] <Rene_S> Hmm German should never be compared  to some shit .... its just not nice
[08:03] <bezak> haha i dont even know what an SAT is
[08:03] <bezak> in german plurals are usually formed by adding -en to the end of singular nouns
[08:04] <bezak> so box, would be boxen
[08:04] <hypa7ia> bezak: a stupid standardized test that middle class white kids do best on.  it's pretty worthless, but american college admissions are totally based on it.
[08:04] <hypa7ia> hah, cool
[08:04] <bezak> hypa7is: is that some shit like a cow is to a sheep like a car is to truck that stuff? *shows complete ignorance of US education system*
[08:05] <daniels> davyd: pong
[08:05] <Lathiat> daniels: boo
[08:05] <SuperL4g> any .debs for Firefox 1.0? :)
[08:05] <Lathiat> daniels: your packages file for xcompmgre is b0rked
[08:05] <davyd> daniels: hey!
[08:05] <hypa7ia> bezak: yeah, similar, it's like an IQ test.
[08:05] <hypa7ia> thus the blatant bias
[08:05] <hypa7ia> :-(
[08:05] <bezak> haha cool
[08:05] <hypa7ia> luckily up here it means nothing :-)
[08:06] <bezak> sweetness
[08:06] <hypa7ia> where are you at bezak?
[08:06] <bezak> melBORN
[08:06] <bezak> haah aus
[08:06] <daniels> Lathiat: in what way?
[08:06] <hypa7ia> cool!
[08:06] <Rene_S> Canada is not up here
[08:06] <Lathiat> well it couldnt find the package when it went to download it, so i assume its giving it the wrong URL
[08:07] <daniels> Lathiat: 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/' worked for me
[08:07] <Lathiat> ohhh
[08:07] <daniels> note that this is entirely different from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./
[08:07] <Lathiat> i did /xcompmgr/ ./
[08:07] <Rene_S> We left and went to Europe, and we are taking Alaska with us
[08:07] <Lathiat> rightio :)
[08:07] <daniels> yeah, don't do that
[08:07] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: hey, i'm north of you still :-)
[08:07] <hypa7ia> hey that;s my joke!
[08:07] <Lowry> what version of firefox is on horay?
[08:07] <Lathiat> also when i add the lines to load the compsite extension
[08:07] <davyd> Lowry: rc1 I think
[08:07] <Lathiat> X dribbles and says that Enabled isnt a valid option for that section
[08:08] <bezak> ive got an 80 gig hdd how much should i give linux (main system) and how much mac os x (for when shit wont work in linux) im thinkin 60/20 what do you guys think? anyone used Mac On Linux?
[08:08] <Rene_S> I should read up on gstreamers, no idea what they are
[08:09] <Lathiat> Rene_S: gstreamer is a library that provides audio/video playback/etc support
[08:09] <Lathiat> encoding, decoding, playing, streaming, etc
[08:09] <Rene_S> Lathiat, awww you wrecked my late night reading hehe, thanks for the info
[08:10] <Lathiat> Rene_S: oh thats only just a basic description, it does lots of cool stuff and more than that
[08:10] <Lathiat> its fun to play with
[08:10] <hypa7ia> bezak: i have an 80 gigger and kept 10 for winblows
[08:10] <Lathiat> especially the video effects
[08:10] <bezak> hypa7ia: yeah i think mac os x is a bit more of a hdd hog
[08:10] <Rene_S> My current dilema of the day is how to add a xmms skin to Beep Media Player
[08:10] <hypa7ia> well, my mac install was about 2 gigs
[08:10] <hypa7ia> when i had a mac *cries*
[08:11] <hypa7ia> bezak: go with 15 maybe?
[08:11] <ubll> Anyone tried PearPC lately?
[08:11] <bezak> is there any dvd compression software, like to fit dual layer dvds on a standard single layer dvd
[08:11] <bezak> hypa7ia: yeah sounds good
[08:11] <punkass> daniels: is this what i need to get transparencies etc working: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:11] <hypa7ia> ubll: no, but i hear CherryOS is mighty tasty :-p
[08:12] <punkass> ubll: i have, just install tiger on it
[08:12] <ubll> CherryOS eh?
[08:12] <hypa7ia> ubll: it was a scam...
[08:12] <punkass> well tiger beta
[08:12] <hypa7ia> long story.
[08:13] <Rene_S> I broke CherryOS when I was single and unmarried
[08:13] <ubll> XD
[08:13] <Lowry> I would give os x 10+
[08:14] <Lathiat> daniels: Any idea on the valid option thing?
[08:14] <daniels> Lathiat: s/Enabled/Enable/
[08:14] <daniels> punkass: yeah, then run xcompmgr
[08:15] <punkass> got it..thanks
[08:15] <Rene_S> hmm so technically PearPC is a mac emulator that will let me run Darwin
[08:15] <punkass> i have composite enable and everything seems fine..nothing is slow (yet)
[08:15] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: yup
[08:15] <Lathiat> daniels: ah right
[08:15] <Lowry> like power pc
[08:15] <bezak> Lowry: yeah not under 10
[08:16] <Rene_S> So this works on x86 boxes ?
[08:16] <bezak> Rene_S: no itll let you run Mac OS X
[08:16] <bezak> Rene-S: you can run darwin native on x86
[08:16] <Lowry> like a ppc chip but slow
[08:16] <Rene_S> Ahh I get it VMware for OSX
[08:17] <phin> hey,  i have the new xorg installed from hoary, how do i get xcompmgr and transset?  do i needs to compile them myself?
[08:17] <punkass> lol..ok running  xcompmgr -cfF makes it slow...doh
[08:17] <phin> punkass, did you just build your own xcompmgr?
[08:17] <Lowry> still at 24kB/sec
[08:17] <ubll> Rene_S, What is VMWare? I hear it mentioned a lot...
[08:17] <bezak> Rene_S: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/
[08:17] <punkass> add this to your sources list:  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:17] <phin> what about transset?
[08:17] <punkass> then install it
[08:18] <punkass> dunno what that is
[08:18] <phin> sets the transparency of the windows
[08:19] <ubll> Anyone care to explain to me what VMWare is?
[08:19] <phin> virtual machine
[08:19] <Rene_S> VMware is a program that will let ya run Windows
[08:19] <phin> lets you run windows in a box :P
[08:19] <davyd> vmware is your new god
[08:19] <Lowry> It is like virtual pc for the mac
[08:19] <phin> it can run other os's
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> phin
[08:19] <ubll> Can you run other OS'es in it?
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> qemu
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> can do that too
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> for free
[08:19] <Lowry> You have intel calls on a ppc chip
[08:19] <davyd> ubll: it's an x86 emulator
[08:19] <phin> sweet
[08:19] <davyd> so yes
[08:19] <phin> i got free vmware as well
[08:19] <phin> my work paid for it
[08:20] <phin> :-P
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> nice
[08:20] <phin> agreed
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> have it at work too
[08:20] <ubll> So could I run Ubuntu within this VMware?
[08:20] <Lathiat> ooh how much does composite suck on my 266mhz :0
[08:20] <davyd> ubll: yes
[08:20] <phin> no
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> but need tons more ram
[08:20] <phin> run windows
[08:20] <phin> withen vmware
[08:20] <phin> on top of ubuntu
[08:20] <phin> :P
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> ubll, yes
[08:20] <davyd> or what phin said, which I do
[08:20] <ubll> holy crap that is awesome
[08:20] <davyd> ubll: you can get a 30 day vmware trial from www.vmware.com
[08:20] <phin> i just have a side windows pc
[08:20] <phin> for photoshop
[08:20] <phin> and games
[08:20] <phin> hehe
[08:20] <Lathiat> any speccy demos for compositing?
[08:21] <davyd> then I think it's USD$180 ish for a license
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> lots of nesting therein
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> student license is cheaper
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> not sure how much
[08:21] <davyd> there's a student license? man...
[08:21] <ubll> davyd, which version is it I want to dl?
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> davyd, i think so
[08:21] <GammaRay> photoshop? pfft
[08:21] <davyd> ubll: vmWare Workstattion 4.5
[08:21] <ubll> davyd, thank you :)
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> davyd, be warned
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> it will slow your system some
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> even while not running
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> esp with only 512mb ram
[08:22] <phin> if its running at the same time
[08:22] <phin> yes it will
[08:22] <phin> and the host os runs much slower
[08:22] <phin> then if you where to run it nativly
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> sure
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> but otherwise...cool
[08:23] <phin> oh ya
[08:23] <phin> definitly cool
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> i had redhat, mdk, ubuntu, win98, winxp, win2000 image files
[08:23] <ubll> It'll slow my system even when not running??
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> phin, you can make
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> qemu convert them too
[08:23] <phin> how fast is qemu?
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> and use those in it
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> pretty fast
[08:23] <phin> ubll: no
[08:24] <davyd> nomasteryoda: put 1.5 gigs of ram in your machine ;)
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> it's not vmware, but a nice opensourceapp
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> davyd
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> yea
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> i would
[08:24] <phin> nom: i run netbsd as my workstation at work
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> but it is tha crappy RAMbux
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> bus
[08:24] <phin> with a nice little windows xp icon on my desktop for when my boss uses the pc
[08:24] <phin> he gets a chuckle out of it
[08:24] <phin> lol
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> very pricy
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> nite all
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> or morning
[08:24] <phin> nite
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> evening,etc
[08:25] <phin> im gonna test xcomp
[08:25] <phin> on this k6-2 300
[08:25] <phin> hehe
[08:26] <phin> its got a large amount of mem, 64 megs
[08:26] <phin> hehe
[08:26] <|QuaD|> xcomp?
[08:26] <GammaRay> hehe?
[08:26] <Lathiat> man how do you take a screenshot
[08:26] <Lathiat> theres no take screenshot in the menu of ubuntu like default gnome :)
[08:26] <|QuaD|> Lathiat: there isi n mine
[08:27] <GammaRay> Lathiat: you seem a little too happy about that
[08:27] <p0int> how bout them Xen..
[08:27] <Lathiat> GammaRay: yeh
[08:27] <Lathiat> heh
[08:27] <Lathiat> |QuaD|: where?
[08:27] <|QuaD|> under computer
[08:27] <davyd> Lathiat: use the gimp
[08:27] <hypa7ia> Lathiat: computer > take screenshot...
[08:27] <davyd> since screenshooter probably broke in the move to gnome-utils
[08:28] <punkass> i dont have it either
[08:28] <phin> whoa
[08:28] <phin> omg
[08:28] <phin> this is pimp
[08:28] <deFrysk> Lathiat, richtklick the panel , select add and choose the screensot-app
[08:28] <phin> these shadows
[08:28] <phin> ya know
[08:28] <phin> this isnt to bad on here
[08:28] <phin> lol
[08:28] <bigt> question: how do i a samba install i went to install samba without realizing it was already installed now everytime i use synaptic i get error processing samba? i tried apt-get -f install
[08:28] <bigt> it doesn't work
[08:28] <punkass> phin: yeah its not bad eh...a little slow tho
[08:29] <|QuaD|> Lathiat: are you using warty?
[08:29] <phin> haha
[08:29] <phin> well
[08:29] <Lathiat> |QuaD|: hoary
[08:29] <phin> i figure wtf
[08:29] <phin> this pc is a peice of crap
[08:29] <|QuaD|> that might be why
[08:29] <Lathiat> heh need to insall gnome-screenshot
[08:29] <|QuaD|> i am using warty
[08:29] <punkass> yeah i am hoary too
[08:29] <phin> k6-2 300, 64megs of mem with a neogeo onboard pci video, 2 megs of mem
[08:29] <phin> and its running the undershadows pretty nicely, better then i assumed
[08:29] <phin> the redraw is a little show
[08:30] <Lathiat> heh
[08:30] <phin> pretty cool
[08:30] <phin> well
[08:30] <bigt> dang i get mplayer to run for jack on my system :(
[08:30] <phin> its not much slower
[08:30] <phin> its like
[08:30] <punkass> phin: lol well i have the shadows goin on a 1.7 athlon with 512meg and a 5900xt and its still a little slow
[08:30] <phin> 5% slower
[08:30] <phin> if that
[08:30] <phin> far less then i expect
[08:31] <hypa7ia> this comic is the ultimate word on internet flame wars.
[08:31] <hypa7ia> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19
[08:31] <justdave> lifeless: you around?
[08:31] <daniels> yeah, guys, Composite is slow, seriousl
[08:31] <daniels> i wasn't lying when I said that
[08:31] <punkass> Lathiat: is there really a package called gnome-screenshot
[08:31] <TongMaster> justdave, he's busy atm
[08:31] <phin> hehe
[08:32] <phin> server side shadows suck
[08:32] <phin> i wish i could adjust em a bit
[08:32] <|QuaD|> wtf? i just did a free -m... doesn't show my full 1024 megs of ram... only 8 something
[08:32] <punkass> daniels: its not brutal..but its noticably slower
[08:32] <|QuaD|> why is that
[08:33] <justdave> TongMaster: k, thanks
[08:33] <phin> actually
[08:33] <phin> daniels: its not to bad on this pc
[08:33] <phin> its not much slower then it was already
[08:33] <punkass> i like this:  xcompmgr -c -r3 -o.5 -l0 -t0
[08:34] <Treenaks> daniels: did you notice that the Xorg manual pages contain "__appmansuffix__" in the 'See also' section?
[08:34] <phin> nice punkass!
[08:34] <phin> :)
[08:34] <phin> thats my new setup
[08:34] <smo> do nvidia's drivers work with xorg?
[08:34] <punkass> mine are
[08:34] <punkass> and im just using the ubuntu nivdia-glx package
[08:35] <daniels> Treenaks: phat
[08:35] <smo> that's what I'm using on warty too, so looks hopeful .. thanks
[08:35] <daniels> Treenaks: will fix that one later today if I get around to it, thanks
[08:36] <punkass> daniels: any word on transset?
[08:38] <alka_trash> I just upgraded to hoary :D
[08:39] <hypa7ia> alka_trash: what gfx card do you have?
[08:39] <alka_trash> nvidai
[08:39] <alka_trash> that one
[08:39] <Lowry> 10 more min to hoary ppc
[08:39] <king_arthur> alka does firefox work with you?
[08:39] <alka_trash> although nautilus is slow now
[08:39] <alka_trash> umm
[08:40] <alka_trash> yes, but it's slow
[08:40] <alka_trash> it's like I have a conflict
[08:40] <king_arthur> sine upgrading to hoary firefox stopped working
[08:40] <alka_trash> ouch
[08:40] <king_arthur> galeon and mozzila are OK
[08:41] <alka_trash> when clicking on nautilus home, it takes three seconds to come up, before upgrade it was almost instant
[08:41] <Telep> alka_trash: the nautilus issue can apparently be solved by "apt-get install gamin"
[08:41] <king_arthur> same with me
[08:41] <alka_trash> nice
[08:41] <king_arthur> windows take ages to pop up
[08:41] <Telep> worked for me
[08:42] <alka_trash> downloading now
[08:42] <king_arthur> does anybody use firefox with hoary
[08:42] <Telep> yes
[08:42] <punkass> i am
[08:43] <king_arthur> how does work no prob?
[08:43] <punkass> no prob
[08:43] <alka_trash> Telep: Your my best friend!
[08:43] <king_arthur> :-(
[08:43] <alka_trash> it's snappy again :)
[08:43] <alka_trash> king_arthur:  what's your error
[08:43] <Telep> alka_trash: the feeling is mutual, I'm sure :)
[08:43] <Skif> on the off chance anybody here knows, wtf is "Standard_Type.hxx", and is there any way to tell
[08:43] <Skif> what package provides it, if any
[08:44] <king_arthur> have to lcheck window onthe linuxbox
[08:44] <king_arthur> holdon one sec
[08:44] <punkass> what i do notice is that when i maximize a window now it covers and panels
[08:44] <daniels> punkass: yeah give me a bit, in the middle of fixing the bugs reported today
[08:44] <punkass> s/and/any/
[08:45] <punkass> daniels: no worries, just curious
[08:45] <daniels> punkass: i'll send the xorg package around for another build, then I'll get to transset and stuff while that's building
[08:45] <daniels> cool
[08:45] <punkass> almost time for my sleep anyways
[08:45] <Amaranth> daniels: You're the one working on xorg, right?
[08:46] <phin> heh
[08:46] <Lathiat> daniels: can we get a xserver-xorg component on bugzilla?
[08:46] <phin> i dunno why
[08:46] <phin> this is crazy, but xcompmgr runs about 99% the same speed running
[08:47] <phin> maybe cause is runs so friggin slow anyway, who knows
[08:47] <phin> lol
[08:47] <Amaranth> is xcompmgr available now?
[08:47] <king_arthur> alka_trash accesskey="@allowPopups.accesskey;"---------------------^
[08:47] <fabbione> Lathiat: use xfree86 in the meanwhile
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: i have been
[08:47] <fabbione> and specify XOrg in the subject
[08:47] <king_arthur> alka that's the error message I get
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: was just saying, be nice to get one
[08:47] <phin> only bug i have
[08:47] <king_arthur> any clues?
[08:47] <phin> is sometimes a window stays on top
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: did that as well :) youve got two from me
[08:47] <phin> no matter what
[08:47] <fabbione> Lathiat: yes we knos :-)
[08:48] <fabbione> Lathiat: really?
[08:48] <Lathiat> yeh
[08:48] <Lathiat> one about synaptics the other about xtt
[08:48] <alka_trash>  king_arthur move your .mozilla foler to .mozilla.old
[08:48] <fabbione> synaptics is not an X.org problem
[08:48] <fabbione> read my answer
[08:48] <fabbione> and xtt is invalid
[08:48] <Lathiat> oh hadnt got that yet
[08:48] <fabbione> anything more?
[08:48] <fabbione> i just replied
[08:48] <king_arthur> alka from where?
[08:48] <king_arthur> alka home?
[08:48] <alka_trash> yep
[08:49] <king_arthur> OK try right now holdon
[08:49] <Lathiat> fabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something because it was being held back and xorg hadnt upgraded
[08:49] <Lathiat> and when i did that it pulled in and removed the required stuff
[08:49] <Lathiat> gues not all of it then
[08:49] <fabbione> Lathiat: did you read the announcement?
[08:49] <fabbione> and how to do the upgrade?
[08:50] <phin> i just replaced warty with hoary
[08:50] <fabbione> it's not like we write FAQ and documentation for nothing
[08:50] <phin> and did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <phin> worked np
[08:50] <alka_trash> king_arthur: it's worth a shot, you'll loose all your settings too
[08:50] <bigt> can someone kindly help me with samba for some reason it keeps throwing errors every time i run synaptic
[08:51] <phin> man i cant believe i only see like a 5% performance drop, at most
[08:51] <fabbione> that's because we tested it :-)
[08:51] <punkass> hehe
[08:51] <phin> its probly cause this things so slow
[08:51] <phin> its able to draw at the same speed
[08:51] <phin> lol
[08:51] <king_arthur> alka_trash just tried, makes no difference :-(
[08:51] <punkass> well the fact that i and upgrade 612 packages and everything just works..is pretty impressive
[08:51] <alka_trash> hmm
[08:52] <punkass> tho esd seems to try and rule the sound world now..have to kill it before rhythmbox will play anything
[08:52] <king_arthur> alka does the erro message tell anything to you?
[08:52] <Lathiat> fabbione: i changed to hoary, did an update and a dist-upgrade, am i missing something in the email?
[08:53] <king_arthur> I have tried re-intsall,  remove and install again, no difference
[08:53] <fabbione> Lathiat: you said you did something else
[08:53] <GammaRay> punkass: sounds like rhythmbox's fault... esd does not "lock" your sound card like arts
 fabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something
[08:53] <Amaranth> What package is xcompmgr in?
[08:53] <Lathiat> oh right
[08:53] <Lathiat> like i said
[08:53] <Lathiat> it didnt upgrade
[08:53] <Lathiat> it was held back
[08:53] <fabbione> of course
[08:53] <fabbione> that's why you need a dist-upgrade
[08:53] <Lathiat> no
[08:53] <fabbione> otherwise it doesn't work
[08:53] <Lathiat> i did a dist-upgrade
[08:54] <Lathiat> and it had all done
[08:54] <Lathiat> and i did it again and it was still held back
[08:54] <Amaranth> you need to upgrade then dist-upgrade
[08:54] <volvoguy> you guys talking about the x.org packages? mine didn't upgrade with a dist-upgrade either.
[08:54] <punkass> oh thats right i had to install xserver-xorg after my dist-upgrade
[08:54] <Amaranth> Oh yeah, I guess I did too. :P
[08:54] <volvoguy> yep. me too punkass. (heh. that sounds funny)
[08:54] <fabbione> do you have ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[08:54] <bob2> volvoguy: punkass do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:55] <bob2> I bet you guys installed totem-xine or something
[08:55] <volvoguy> i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[08:55] <volvoguy> yep
[08:55] <Amaranth> Not I.
[08:55] <Lathiat> hmm
[08:55] <punkass> i have totem-xine for sure
[08:55] <Lathiat> i dont either
[08:55] <Amaranth> I have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[08:55] <fabbione> volvoguy: than you are on your won :-)
[08:55] <Lowry> So you need to add x.org when dist upgrade is done?
[08:55] <Lathiat> ahh
[08:55] <fabbione> own even
[08:55] <Lathiat> i installed totem-xine
[08:55] <Lathiat> rightio
[08:55] <Lathiat> got the problem now :)
[08:55] <alka_trash> king_arthur: how about running it as root? or maybe downloading the latest and running it?
[08:55] <Amaranth> Is there a package for xcompmgr?
[08:55] <volvoguy> do you think that will cause other x.org problems other than missing that one package?
[08:56] <punkass> no i didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed
[08:56] <Lathiat> Amaranth: yes, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:56] <bob2> volvoguy: you will not get future packages that the desktop requires
[08:56] <fabbione> volvoguy: ubuntu-desktop forces the dependency required to install x.org
[08:56] <volvoguy> maybe a message to the users mailing list is in order.
[08:56] <king_arthur> aka I just did distr-upgrade
[08:56] <bob2> it's always been the case that removing ubuntu-desktop put you out on your own
[08:56] <king_arthur> and the latest firefox IS installed
[08:57] <Lathiat> I'd forgotten that I had done that :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> my bad :)
[08:57] <punkass> bob2: i never knew that...installing it how
[08:57] <king_arthur> at least it was yesterdat :-)
[08:57] <punkass> s/how/now
[08:57] <volvoguy> yeah. i know bob. totem-xine just works so much better for me. :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> fabbione: sorry :)
[08:57] <Elwood> hi all
[08:57] <king_arthur> ciao elwood
[08:57] <Lowry> hi
[08:58] <Amaranth> brb
[08:58] <Elwood> so xorg in wharty?
[08:58] <volvoguy> i guess this teaches the lesson that if you're using an "in-progress" distro, it's best to use the suggested packages. :)
[08:58] <punkass> hmm so with ubuntu-desktop you can use totem-xine?
[08:58] <Lathiat> Elwood: no, in hoary
[08:58] <punkass> can = cant
[08:58] <Lathiat> punkass: yes
[08:58] <Lathiat> cus you stray away from the desktop, not using totem-gstreamer
[08:58] <punkass> hmm
[08:58] <Elwood> uhm hoary is stable?
[08:58] <phin> no
[08:59] <bob2> Elwood: hoary is unstable
[08:59] <phin> but some of us are daring ;)
[08:59] <punkass> i wouldnt care..its just nice to have the codecs etc
[08:59] <bob2> Elwood: warty will never get new packages
[08:59] <bob2> except for ecurity fixes, etcd
[08:59] <king_arthur> hoary works fine but irt is not stable
[08:59] <volvoguy> is the gnome menu slowness a byproduct of not having ubuntu-desktop also?
[08:59] <Elwood> ok
[08:59] <king_arthur> warty is for getting things done
[08:59] <Despair> volvoguy: have you done `apt-get install gamin` yet?
[08:59] <Elwood> for me is enough that works fine :)
[09:00] <phin> whats gamin?
[09:00] <king_arthur> vai elwood
[09:00] <volvoguy> despair: yes. that fixed it. i was just curious if that was a lack of ubuntu-desktop as well.
[09:00] <Despair> phin: less miserable replacement for fam.
[09:00] <phin> whats fam?
[09:00] <phin> lol
[09:00] <king_arthur> to dare or not to dare....
[09:00] <Lathiat> daemon that watches for alterations to files
[09:00] <phin> ah
[09:01] <volvoguy> hey, don't smack me for going off topic for a sec, but did anyone in north america see the northern lights tonight?
[09:01] <phin> ya
[09:01] <punkass> nope.
[09:01] <phin> the main downside to composite i have
[09:01] <jjh> nah
[09:02] <phin> is that it doesnt handle window placement well
[09:02] <punkass> far to cloudy here
[09:02] <deFrysk> bittornado-gui seems to use a lot of cpu-power with xorg
[09:02] <phin> like if i open a new window, it stays over all the windows
[09:02] <phin> no matter what
[09:02] <maxo> tommorow nights supposed to be prime northern lights viewing for the northwest US
[09:02] <phin> oh well thats testing for ya :P
[09:02] <volvoguy> they were amazing. i guess it's a big deal that they're being seen really far to the south - as far south as california.
[09:02] <punkass> really? well i am in BC canada
[09:03] <phin> i can see them from detroit!
[09:03] <phin> :)
[09:03] <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan. :) i'm 30 and i've never seen them here.
[09:03] <punkass> so i should be able to see them if its not to cloudy
[09:03] <alka_trash> okay how does this ubuntu calendar thing work? I installed it but it doesn't show up. I must be missing something very simple :/
[09:03] <phin> i can see em from detroit :P
[09:03] <volvoguy> where are you phin?
[09:03] <phin> sterling heights
[09:03] <volvoguy> rochester here.
[09:03] <phin> i drove up over by stoney creek last night
[09:03] <volvoguy> small world.
[09:03] <phin> to see em good
[09:04] <phin> you know if you go up mound, to 28 mile, and take a left, theres the bridge right there?
[09:04] <phin> good spot to see em
[09:05] <king_arthur> alka_trash u still there?
[09:05] <alka_trash> yep
[09:06] <king_arthur> any other brilliant idea for my firefox problem?
[09:06] <king_arthur> :-)
[09:06] <alka_trash> really
[09:06] <alka_trash> what did you do
[09:06] <alka_trash> ?
[09:06] <king_arthur> I am usng it right now
[09:06] <king_arthur> on the iMac :-)
[09:06] <alka_trash> ?
[09:06] <king_arthur> but on the linuxbox nope
[09:07] <alka_trash> ubuntu on IMac?
[09:07] <alka_trash> oh
[09:07] <king_arthur> that is a possibility
[09:07] <Lowry> imac g5?
[09:07] <king_arthur> I mean I have that as well
[09:07] <Lowry> or g3?
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> g4
[09:07] <king_arthur> works fine but makes no real sense
[09:07] <alka_trash> of coarse
[09:07] <king_arthur> g3
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> im on a PowerPC G3
[09:07] <Lowry> should work'
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> but im using stupid stupid 0s 9.2
[09:08] <king_arthur> has anybody airport active?
[09:08] <volvoguy> i have ubuntu on a G3 imac as well.
[09:08] <Lowry> this might help
[09:08] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=464
[09:08] <king_arthur> good volvoguy you are one of us :-)
[09:09] <volvoguy> i tend to stay on my 2.8Ghz P4 more often. it's a little faster. :-)
[09:09] <alka_trash> king_arthur: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=accesskey*allowPopups+firefox&btnG=Search
[09:10] <king_arthur> Alka I am looking :-)
[09:10] <alka_trash> king_arthur: I looked at a couple but there all in foreign languages
[09:11] <volvoguy> king_arthur: i think the wiki still reports that airport doesn't work at all.
[09:11] <king_arthur> may be it deepends on the language?
[09:11] <king_arthur> volvoguy that's not what I heard
[09:11] <king_arthur> somebody is using it
[09:12] <Lowry> hi
[09:15] <Lowry> Just started setting up - how long will the upgrade take?
[09:15] <volvoguy> one of the websites i run is buying me an iBook so i can keep updating the site after i have back surgery. i'll have to worry about about airport stuff in the near future. :)
[09:15] <Lowry> gl with your back
[09:15] <phin> i dont think airport works with linux
[09:15] <phin> cause of the chipset
[09:16] <volvoguy> thanks lowry!
[09:17] <Elwood> it's enough to change warthy with hoary in sources.list to change?
[09:17] <Elwood> i had to remove the security sources,tright?
[09:18] <MeAndU> I have just tried raythembox and when i import a folder this error pops "there is no plug in installed to handle a MP3 file" why
[09:18] <Treenaks> Elwood: keep the security ones
[09:18] <Elwood> ok
[09:18] <bigt> anyone bsides me having problems with mplayer not loading?
[09:18] <atropus> MeAndu: install mplayer and try with it
[09:19] <volvoguy> ok. bedtime. g'night everybody!
[09:19] <Lowry> later
[09:19] <bigt> mine says starting mplayer and then it just goes away :(
[09:20] <MeAndU> atropus, mplayer is installed and these files are playing well on other apps
[09:21] <MeAndU> atropus, I want to try raythembox
[09:23] <atropus> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins/gst-plugins-0.8.1.tar.bz2
[09:23] <atropus> maybe it helps you
[09:23] <bigt> atropus when you get time can you help me with mplayer please?
[09:24] <atropus> i am not a guru but maybe i can help you
[09:24] <bigt> thats fine i'm a newbie on linux
[09:24] <bigt> when i run mplayer i get illegal instructino
[09:25] <bigt> and it will not start
[09:25] <atropus> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[09:25] <bigt> looking there now thanks
[09:25] <lifeless> window 29
[09:26] <atropus> bigt: I use this link
[09:26] <atropus> to install mplayer from source
[09:26] <bigt> ok let me try that
[09:26] <bigt> and i swear there must  be a bug in the samba pre-removal script
[09:26] <atropus> and it works fine
[09:26] <bigt> cause it simply will not go away no mater what i do
[09:27] <bigt> ok gonna try it
[09:29] <atropus> I have 60 Mbyte free space on my hdd and GNOME doesn't start. It is freezing.... Is it correct?
[09:30] <phin> well that was cool
[09:30] <phin> only complaint is that sometimes windows don't go over correctly with composite
[09:30] <bigt> can i paste something in here to see if anyone else gets this error?
[09:31] <bigt> with samba its annoying the piss out of me :)
[09:32] <elessar> http://nopaste.php-q.net/
[09:32] <bigt> ok
[09:32] <bigt> thanks
[09:34] <bigtony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rQVWT553.html
[09:35] <pdaoust> wow, it's so quiet this time of night...
[09:36] <pdaoust> after midnight on the west coast
[09:36] <pdaoust> I'm talking to thin air; this is weird
[09:36] <Lowry> Need some upgrade help
[09:36] <pdaoust> if someone talks in a chat room and nobody's around to read it......
[09:36] <pdaoust> ?
[09:36] <pdaoust> Lowry, what's your problem?
[09:37] <pdaoust> hello?
[09:37] <Lowry> config file /ect/pbbuttonsd
[09:37] <pdaoust> hope you didn't take that in a rude way -- I meant what sort of help do you need?
[09:37] <pdaoust> oooo
[09:37] <pdaoust> never even heard of that one
[09:37] <pdaoust> what does it do? ^_^
[09:37] <Lowry> keep or replace>
[09:38] <pdaoust> what are you upgrading from/to?
[09:38] <pdaoust> Warty to Hoary, or from some other distro to Ubuntu?
[09:38] <Lowry> warty to hoary
[09:39] <pdaoust> ohhhhhhhh, you're on an Apple notebook, right?
[09:39] <Lowry> default is to keep my version
[09:39] <Lowry> yes ppc g3 powerbook
[09:39] <pdaoust> do you have a third option, to replace interactively (i.e., diff)?
[09:40] <Lowry> install maintainers
[09:40] <Lowry> keep current
[09:40] <Lowry> show differences
[09:40] <Lowry> or background
[09:40] <jin> hi everyone: how do i mount my ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[09:41] <pdaoust> jin: first create a directory like /windows
[09:41] <pdaoust> $ sudo mkdir /windows
[09:41] <pdaoust> jin: then go
[09:41] <jin> go where?
[09:43] <pdaoust> Lowry: try 'show differences'
[09:43] <atropus> Hi! Is there a graphical cd-writing stuff for ubuntu?
[09:43] <bigt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs
[09:43] <bigt> thts how you mount ntfs drives
[09:43] <b_e_n_z> atropus, xcdroast, eroaster
[09:43] <atropus> tnx
[09:43] <Lowry> cpuload, netload
[09:44] <duke|ib> npo
[09:44] <Lowry> min max
[09:44] <pdaoust> Lowry: unless you've been reprogramming certain buttons/keys to do special things, I'd just use the new version
[09:45] <Lowry> thx
[09:45] <pdaoust> Lowry: no prob!
[09:45] <Lowry> how do i get back to the upgarde
[09:45] <Lowry> (END)
[09:47] <agenteo> hi I'm tring to change the default umask in ubuntu, I've looked in .bash_profile and I see # the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs but there is a umask even in /etc/profile. If I change /etc/profile when will I need to change /etc/login.defs?
[09:48] <pdaoust> lowry: this is where my expertise ends... I've only been using Ubuntu since yesterday morning ^_^
[09:48] <pdaoust> lowry: sorry
[09:49] <atropus> is there any ubuntu package to graphical cd-writing? I want install with apt-get
[09:50] <Lathiat> atropus: To burn what?
[09:50] <Lathiat> data cd, iso, music cd...
[09:50] <atropus> multi session data disk
[09:50] <pdaoust> good bye, folks; I'm off to bed.
[09:50] <Lathiat> no idea about that, but the nautilus cd burner does most things you want
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus,  xcdrecor
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus, or gcombust or xcdtoaster
[09:51] <atropus> ok i try it thanx
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus, try these on gnome or k3b on kde
[09:54] <pisuke> hi. I need a xvid codec for totem. any ideas? I installed the codec pack from the mplayer web, but xvid seems to be missing.
[09:55] <pisuke> also tried marillat repository but failed to install mplayer
[09:56] <Elwood> failed why?
[09:56] <Elwood> pisuke, try xine
[09:57] <pisuke> Elwood, it said broken packages
[09:57] <atropus> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[09:57] <pisuke> and i am using totem-xine
[09:57] <atropus> try with it
[09:57] <atropus> it works fine for me
[09:59] <pisuke> atropus, you can play xvid?
[09:59] <pisuke> because is installing essential codecs from mplayer
[10:00] <pisuke> I installed the all codecs packages
[10:00] <pisuke> but no xvid
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: libxvid is in multiverse
[10:00] <pisuke> Treenaks, installed from marillat
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: then it should work..
[10:00] <pisuke> but it's not working
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: is your xvid file correct?
[10:01] <pisuke> yep
[10:01] <atropus> i don't try xvid, sorry
[10:01] <pisuke> gits2
[10:01] <pisuke> but totem says it has no codec for it
[10:02] <pisuke> even copied /usr/lib/libxvidcore4 to totem-addons
[10:02] <pisuke> but nopes
[10:02] <pisuke> nm
[10:03] <Treenaks> pisuke: do you have totem-xine or -gstreamer?
[10:03] <pisuke> totem-xine
[10:03] <pisuke> everything I was throwing was playing great
[10:06] <mjr> hmm, funny; my totem-xine plays xvid fine on amd64, with no marillat as there's no amd64 packages there
[10:07] <pisuke> mjr, where did you get the codecs?
[10:08] <mjr> well, I have the xvid codec from multiverse, but I actually tried moving it to another, non-lib directory and checking if xvid still played; it did
[10:09] <mjr> so I don't really know
[10:09] <pisuke> heh
[10:09] <Lowry> my upgrade has stopped
[10:10] <Lowry> I am back to #
[10:10] <bigt> atropus: did you have a problem with those wgets taking for ever to download? i have a fast connection but it seem slike the site is busy or something
[10:10] <fabbione> silbs: morning
[10:11] <Lowry> How do I return to the setting up pbbuttonsd ?
[10:12] <atropus> bigt: whats the problem?
[10:12] <bigt> site times out
[10:12] <mjr> pisuke, my guess would be that the codec that xine uses is embedded into xineplug_decode_ff.so which is included in libxine1; I guess this because it sounds like ffmpeg ;)
[10:13] <pisuke> mjr, could be
[10:13] <mjr> ah, the file does have symbols that point to ffmpeg and mpeg4 decoding
[10:13] <mjr> so yes, I think that's it
[10:14] <jin> help: I can't see / mount my NTFS drive
[10:14] <bigt> and i don't think anyone ever answered so i'll repeat is there an issue with samba and ubuntu or is it just me this error 102 pre-removing script crap is annoying everytime i type apt-get install in termal it says that for samba
[10:15] <bigt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs
[10:16] <pisuke> mjr, have you installed ffmpeg, or it was installed by default?
[10:16] <jin> thanks bigt, trying out
[10:16] <bob2> ffmpeg is not installed by default
[10:16] <bigt> np
[10:17] <mjr> pisuke, no, I haven't, but I think it's pretty much statically linked into said plugin
[10:17] <pisuke> ok.thx
[10:18] <bigt> << takes a shotgun and shoots samba
[10:20] <Lowry> I seem to have lost my apt-get upgrade process
[10:20] <Lowry> I did ps -x
[10:21] <Lowry> How do I get back to the upgrade?
[10:25] <Treenaks> KarlosII: /always/ use packages
[10:25] <phin> well
[10:25] <KarlosII> :/
[10:25] <phin> you dont always have to
[10:25] <Elwood> Lowry,  restart it
[10:25] <phin> use whatever works best for you :)
[10:25] <Treenaks> pisuke: 99.99% of the time, it's better
[10:25] <Elwood> Lowry,  or killall apt-get and restart :)
[10:25] <phin> whys that?
[10:25] <phin> i build alot of my own stuff
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, not
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, I build all my my software from software using Gentoo
[10:26] <phin> i usually just use packages
[10:26] <Lowry> Do I have to dl from the start?
[10:26] <phin> but sometimes
[10:26] <KarlosII> err
[10:26] <Treenaks> KarlosII: yes, in ubuntu it is -- if you use packages all the time, upgrades will be way easier
[10:26] <phin> i need someything else
[10:26] <Treenaks> KarlosII: really, building from source is overrated
[10:26] <phin> why?
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, tbh I don't use ubuntu right now
[10:26] <phin> sometimes you need diffrent features
[10:27] <phin> or a newer version then what packages offer
[10:27] <KarlosII> Treenaks, to each his own opinion
[10:27] <phin> im not looking for speed opts or anything
[10:27] <StarScream> hey guys, i hear Xorg is in the repository now...whats the easiest way to replace my xfree and install xorg?
[10:27] <Elwood> StarScream,  apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:27] <deFrysk> StarScream, apt-get dit-upgrade
[10:27] <KarlosII> xorg sweet, but xorg has major problems with ati
[10:27] <deFrysk> dist
[10:27] <jdub> StarScream: if you are comfortable using hoary, just upgrade
[10:28] <Treenaks> KarlosII: http://funroll-loops.org/
[10:28] <phin> um
[10:28] <KarlosII> StarScream, beware if you use ati
[10:28] <deFrysk> xorg seems to slow down bittornado-gui
[10:28] <jdub> StarScream: if you are not very familiar with debian, or running debian sid, don't run hoary
[10:28] <StarScream> jdub...hoary?
[10:28] <Lowry> killed
[10:28] <jdub> StarScream: the development branch for the next release
[10:28] <phin> treeaks: so thats a definitive source as to why building from source is wrong?
[10:28] <StarScream> ah.....
[10:28] <phin> i build my own php/apache/sql setup all the time
[10:28] <StarScream> KarlosII: why whats up with ATI?
[10:28] <phin> for my webservers
[10:29] <jdub> phin: it humorously demonstrates why it's generally misguided
[10:29] <hypa7ia> phin: that and this: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[10:29] <KarlosII> StarScream, what isn't those colosed source fools
[10:29] <phin> well duh, of course it is
[10:29] <phin> hehe
[10:29] <KarlosII> err
[10:29] <KarlosII> StarScream, what isn't with those closed source fools
[10:29] <phin> but it all depends on what your doing
[10:30] <phin> im not saying build evertying, but sometimes packages are not the best way, thou usually, they work quite well :)
[10:30] <Lowry> thx setting up
[10:30] <StarScream> Karlosll heh, i meant is there anything wrong with ati-xorg....i have a radeon 7500 or something, but its only running FB at the moment.
[10:30] <Elwood> i can put packages in hold with synaptic?
[10:30] <phin> it seems there's a new line between people who build and people who pacakge only, its a pointless arguement lol
[10:31] <fga> Hi, some of you are speaking of hoary the next ubuntu release do you know, or hava any idea, how warthy to hoary upgrade will be dealt for end users ?
[10:31] <daniels> fga: um, with synaptic?
[10:31] <Treenaks> fga: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, basically
[10:31] <KarlosII> StarScream, ati on xorg 6.8+ is said to be very problemmatic for some
[10:31] <Treenaks> fga: (or the same in synaptic)
[10:31] <phin> fga: the normal dist-upgrade was flawless for me
[10:32] <Lowry> next year
[10:32] <fga> that was the answer I was hoping thanls
[10:32] <StarScream> KarlosII: hmm..best not update then
[10:32] <KarlosII> StarScream, yeah for now
[10:32] <KarlosII> imho
[10:33] <StarScream>  my fonts just look crap in xfree for some reason...my friends gentooPPC live cd uses xorg and it looks nice....i'm just not a gentoo type user
[10:33] <daniels> ati works fine
[10:33] <daniels> just as long as you don't the binary fglrx driver
[10:33] <phin> my fonts looked great in xfree and xorg
[10:33] <phin> its not a problem with the server
[10:33] <b_e_n_z> StarScream, just a matter of playing around with fontconfig
[10:33] <phin> its something else
[10:33] <StarScream> yeh they dont make ppc ati drivers i think
[10:33] <mvo_> Elwood: synaptic can "lock" a package
[10:33] <deFrysk> fonts are fine here too
[10:33] <daniels> fonts are little to do with xfree86 and xorg, and all to do with libfreetype6/fontconfig
[10:34] <phin> i liked ubuntus default font settings
[10:34] <seb128> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[10:34] <phin> look great on lcd :)
[10:34] <seb128> to change the AA
[10:34] <b_e_n_z> phin, you got sub-pixel rendering on?
[10:34] <StarScream> b_e_n_z: i think its the way it displays fonts at 1024x768... it was the same on my desktop (slackware) until slack used xorg
[10:34] <phin> yes
[10:34] <StarScream> now its pretty
[10:34] <Lowry> how do you get sub pixel on?
[10:34] <b_e_n_z> phin, do you need to use DVI?
[10:35] <phin> its a laptop
[10:35] <phin> but i would assume so
[10:35] <b_e_n_z> phin, oh
[10:35] <phin> since its a cleaner signal
[10:35] <jdub> Lowry: computer > desktop preference > fonts
[10:35] <b_e_n_z> phin, perhaps i am not using latin fonts, enabling sub-pixeling creates a brownish edge on all the fonts...
[10:35] <phin> weird
[10:36] <jdub> b_e_n_z: you may have a different format screen
[10:36] <b_e_n_z> jdub, meaning...?
[10:36] <jdub> b_e_n_z: see the options down the bottom of the font preferences dialogue
[10:37] <b_e_n_z> jdub, you mean sub-pixel ordering?
[10:37] <jdub> yes
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, i tried RGB
[10:38] <bitserf> 6.8.1 is in hoary?
[10:38] <bitserf> (saw daniels' blog entry :P)
[10:38] <daniels> bitserf: yeah
[10:38] <bitserf> right, time to break my box :)
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, still a brownish edge on all the fonts (non latin)
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, i am using a laptop
[10:39] <Lowry> I now have an error with the upgrade - ppbuttonsd
[10:39] <Lowry> How dod I resume/restart or fix?
[10:40] <Lowry> Errors where encountered while processing
[10:40] <deFrysk> apt-get -f install
[10:40] <deFrysk> try that
[10:40] <Lowry> That will force the install?
[10:40] <deFrysk> Lowry, fix rather then force
[10:42] <Lowry> 13 permission denied
[10:42] <deFrysk> Lowry, sudo
[10:42] <Lowry> unable to lock the permission directory
[10:42] <Lowry> thx
[10:42] <deFrysk> use sudo
[10:42] <deFrysk> ;)
[10:42] <jdub> b_e_n_z: subpixel hinting works by abusing components of nearby pixels
[10:42] <jdub> b_e_n_z: if it's using the wrong order, it'll look like crap
[10:43] <deFrysk> Lowry, when done redo the apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:43] <jdub> b_e_n_z: if it's using the right order, there'll be a (difficult to perceive, by design) glow of colour on each side
[10:43] <cenerentola> hey ls: reading directory .: Input/output error in how many ways can i fix it
[10:43] <cenerentola> jdub: what about the ml?
[10:43] <jdub> b_e_n_z: generally, that can only be seen on CRTs, or on an LCD screen if it's the wrong order
[10:44] <Lowry> 0 upgrade 0 new 0 to remove 65 not upgraded
[10:44] <Lowry> thx
[10:44] <Lathiat> cenerentola: Well that could be a million things, need more specific information, what directory, is it a mount, of what, etc
[10:44] <jdub> cenerentola: you should have received a moderator password from me
[10:44] <Lathiat> usually happens if an NFS or USB mount goes awol
[10:44] <cenerentola> jdub: when? im sorry i didnt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:45] <cenerentola> lathiat: hi there.. its a general input/output
[10:45] <Lathiat> cenerentola: Thats not what we need to know
[10:46] <cenerentola> lathiat: i did a cp -r /* /media/warty
[10:46] <Lathiat> umm
[10:46] <Lathiat> that sounds like a bad idea
[10:46] <cenerentola> and it started to print input/output
[10:46] <Lathiat> What are you trying to do?>
[10:47] <cenerentola> nothing... just inputting and outputting in that partition
[10:47] <cenerentola> ...
[10:47] <Lathiat> No i mean what are you trying to do exactly
[10:47] <Lathiat> copying /* to /media/warty probably wont do anything you want it to
[10:47] <Lathiat> and those errors are because it runs into things like /proc, /dev, etc, which cant be read
[10:47] <cenerentola> no no.. well im not that stupid
[10:48] <cenerentola> it gives errors even in everyday-files
[10:49] <cenerentola> is it normal that if i "sudo fsck /dev/hda7" it only returns "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"
[10:50] <jdub> cenerentola: if there's nothing to do, yes
[10:50] <bigtony> can someone please help me solve this samba error im having?
[10:51] <cenerentola> jdub: thx
[10:52] <deFrysk> firefox 1 looks good
[10:52] <deFrysk> :)
[10:53] <b_e_n_z> deFrysk, really?
[10:53] <deFrysk> it start up really fast
[10:53] <cenerentola> lathiat: so if i mkfs it should stop right?
[10:54] <Lathiat> cenerentola: no that would overwrite all your data
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: i know...
[10:54] <Lathiat> your probably could be many things
[10:54] <Lathiat> it could be physical drive errors, filesystem corruption (which a mkfs would fix)
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: what i mean is... input/output errors... is it and hw problem or a fs prob?
[10:54] <cenerentola> ...
[10:54] <cenerentola> mmm
[10:54] <Lathiat> it could be both
[10:54] <cenerentola> ok
[10:54] <Lathiat> look in dmesg, are you getting drive errors?
[10:55] <deFrysk> I hope firefox1  wil be in hoary soon
[10:55] <Lathiat> epiphany is fullscreening over the panel
[10:55] <bigtony> whats it mean when samba is highlighted yellow in synaptic?
[10:55] <Lathiat> in fact everything is
[10:55] <cenerentola> cenerentola@anotherworld:/media $ dmesg | grep hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> XFS mounting filesystem hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> xfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x8) called from line 1088 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Return address = 0xf09a6b19
[10:55] <cenerentola> Filesystem "hda7": Corruption of in-memory data detected.  Shutting down filesystem: hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> xfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x1) called from line 353 of file fs/xfs/xfs_rw.c.  Return address = 0xf09a6b19
[10:56] <Lathiat> i really have no idea about xfs
[10:56] <Lathiat> i recommend ext3, so if you reformat maybe you should use that
[10:56] <Lathiat> never given me any roubles
[10:56] <Lathiat> however
[10:56] <deFrysk> ext3 = safest way to go
[10:56] <Lathiat> the data corruption it mentions is bad
[10:56] <Lathiat> that could be a number of things
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad ram
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad disk
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad swap
[10:57] <deFrysk> I like xfs
[10:57] <Treenaks> StarScream: I stopped using reiser when it trashed my second disk
[10:58] <StarScream> Treenaks: really....i've used reiser since i started using linux, never had a problem with it....
[10:58] <Lathiat> i stopped using resier when it trashed well, all the filesystems ive had on it
[10:58] <Lathiat> ive never used it on my personal machine
[10:58] <phin> i just use ext3
[10:58] <Lathiat> but every time ive had it on machines its died
[10:58] <Lathiat> ext3 has never ever failed me once
[10:58] <phin> i had the same problem with xfs before that was just noted
[10:58] <Lathiat> so i stick with that
[10:58] <phin> and ive heard so many horror stories about reiser i wont touch it
[10:58] <Lathiat> phin: ive experienced the resier horror stories first hand several times :)
[10:59] <daniels> ok, filesystem holy wars, guys, we've all been there.  just let it go.
[10:59] <phin> lol
[10:59] <deFrysk> grub does not like xfs as /boot so need to make an seberate /boot with reiser-of ext3
[10:59] <phin> ive done that
[10:59] <deFrysk> b=p
[10:59] <Lathiat> daniels: but but...
[10:59] <phin> grub doesnt mind xfs as boot
[10:59] <deFrysk> phin, id does on my box
[10:59] <phin> weird
[11:00] <deFrysk> could be me tho
[11:00] <Lathiat> daniels: would messing aroudn with the composite extension possibly cause fullscreen windows to start going over the panel?
[11:00] <cenerentola> phin: how did manage it?
[11:01] <daniels> Lathiat: um, possibly.  there's an option to xcompmgr to not composite panels or other desktop windows.
[11:01] <Lathiat> daniels: yeh i was using that (dont to dropshadows etc)
[11:01] <Lathiat> its not activenow
[11:01] <Lathiat> guess ill find out when i restart x
[11:01] <phin> cene: reinstalled :(
[11:02] <phin> i like composite :)
[11:02] <phin> works great on this pc
[11:02] <phin> but one issue with windows staying on the bottem or on top
[11:02] <Treenaks> stupid question, but where can I find xcompmgr?
[11:02] <phin> :(
[11:03] <phin> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[11:03] <phin> add that to your sources
[11:04] <bigtony> whats the correct command to clean the cache? i try apt-get clean and i get invalid operation
[11:04] <Treenaks> phin: shouldn't I have an "XCOMP" extension or something as well?
[11:04] <llpamies> How can I add a LPD printer that send all data to a file ??  (print to text file)
[11:04] <llpamies>  ?
[11:04] <phin> treenaks
[11:04] <phin> yes
[11:05] <phin> its in the ubuntuforums.org post
[11:05] <phin> i dont recall it off hand
[11:05] <Tomcat_> bigtony: Did you do it with sudo or as regular user?
[11:05] <Treenaks> phin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13711&postcount=10 :)
[11:06] <bigtony> norm user
[11:06] <Tomcat_> bigtony: That might be a problem. :o
[11:06] <bigtony> its get clean right?
[11:06] <daniels> Treenaks: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enable"\nEndSection
[11:07] <llpamies> It is possible to add this printer, using only /etc/printcap ??
[11:07] <Treenaks> daniels: I found it on the forum, but thanks
[11:07] <bigtony> this blows
[11:07] <Tomcat_> bigtony: apt-get clean is correct... but do it as sudo... not sure if it works
[11:07] <bigtony> still the same &^%5 thing
[11:07] <bigtony> with samba
[11:08] <Treenaks> daniels: does just enabling xcomposite make X crashy and slow, or only using it?
[11:08] <bigtony> regardless of what i try to install samba always wants to install
[11:08] <phin> tree: it varies
[11:08] <phin> ive seen it work pretty damn good for some people
[11:08] <phin> and crap for others
[11:08] <daniels> i don't know if the optimisations are there or not to avoid using the off-screen buffer if there are no clients requesting compositing redirects, but probably not
[11:08] <phin> lol
[11:08] <crimsun> daniels: just a note: the migration of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 => /etc/X11/xorg.conf needs to change  Driver "keyboard"  to  Driver "kbd"
[11:09] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[11:09] <cenerentola> im off
[11:09] <daniels> crimsun: it doesn't *need* to, it just *should*
[11:09] <Treenaks> hey wow.. the CDs are being pressed in .nl? :)
[11:10] <crimsun> daniels: fair enough. I presume since the dexconf markers weren't present in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, that wasn't done.
[11:10] <crimsun> (rather the debconf markers)
[11:10] <deFrysk> Treenaks, saves shipping :)
[11:12] <Treenaks> deFrysk: yeah :)
[11:12] <Treenaks> whee.. CDs are shipping :)
[11:14] <bigtony> i have a broken package now every time i open synaptic how do i find which one and get rid of it?
[11:15] <deFrysk> bigtony, apt-get -f install
[11:15] <Treenaks> bigtony: just do what synaptic tells you?
[11:15] <Treenaks> deFrysk: doesn't synaptic do that itself?
[11:15] <deFrysk> sorry
[11:15] <bigtony> i have tried what it says
[11:16] <bigtony> but it doesn't work thats what i've had the problem with all day long
[11:16] <mvo_> try to use "fix broken" in the menu
[11:16] <bigtony> its like someting it screwed int he pre-removal script
[11:16] <bigtony> done that too
[11:16] <mvo_> bigtony: what package is it?
[11:16] <mrjive> is x.org already present in hoary?
[11:16] <bigtony> samba
[11:17] <deFrysk> mrjive, yup
[11:17] <mvo_> and what is the error message when you e.g. try to remove it?
[11:17] <mrjive> i mean, if i change my sources can i install x.org?
[11:17] <deFrysk> mrjive, yup
[11:17] <mrjive> deFrysk: tnx :)
[11:18] <bigtony> i would cut and paste what it says but it will not copy
[11:18] <daniels> crimsun: right
[11:18] <bigtony> process pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[11:18] <bigtony> error processing samba --remove
[11:19] <mvo_> bigtony: that's all? no more information?
[11:19] <bigtony> is there a way to cut and past the synaptic error messages?
[11:20] <mvo_> bigtony: I used to think that this is possible :) If not, I'll file a bug about it
[11:21] <bigtony> dang it i can't get it to cut and paste
[11:21] <mvo_> bigtony: I suspect the error is shown inside the terminal window of synaptic? it should be possible to mark the text with the left button and paste it with the middle button
[11:21] <bigtony> it it 3.0.7-lubuntu6
[11:22] <bigtony> of samba thats giving me the problem
[11:22] <bigtony> it ried it doesn't work
[11:23] <atropu1> sorry my gnome has frozen
[11:23] <atropu1> :)
[11:24] <joolz> atropu1: isn't it more usual that they turn to stone? ;-)
[11:24] <bigtony> any other ideas?
[11:24] <mvo_> bigtony: I install it now and see if I can reproduce the problem
[11:25] <bigtony> ok
[11:25] <mvo_> give me a couple of minutes :)
[11:25] <bigtony> ok thanks
[11:26] <bigtony> here is exactly what i get
[11:26] <bigtony> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/9807
[11:26] <bigtony> but i don't know how to fix it
[11:26] <nimc> is it a bug that some programs, like x-chat and synaptic, don't save the maximized state after you exit them (they save the maximized coords but without the small square button on top-right that says it's maximized), and other programs like firefox do save the maximized state?
[11:27] <z0mbi3> anyone got any success plugging an iPod to a x86 ubuntu system?
[11:27] <nimc> z0mbi3, i was going to try it soon..... you tried and it didnt work?
[11:29] <jobezone> bigtony, try deleting  /etc/rc2.d/K09samba and uninstall again samba
[11:29] <Fiik> hello,.. I am downloading 4.10 right now and was wondering what kernel ver it was?  I have heard <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:29] <bigtony> ok will try
[11:29] <Treenaks> Fiik: that's correct
[11:29] <z0mbi3> well, it does work.....when it wants to :p
[11:29] <bigtony> thank you guys for the help by the way
[11:29] <Fiik> Treenaks: Thanks for that
[11:30] <nimc> z0mbi3, elaborate...?:)
[11:30] <z0mbi3> I had to rebuild rhythmbox with the --with-ipod option in configure, but I'm having trouble mounting the ipod
[11:30] <jobezone> bigtony, it's just a symlink to samba, if samba was installed it would start when you booted your computer.
[11:30] <z0mbi3> the modules sometime work, other thimes don't work
[11:30] <z0mbi3> grunf!
[11:30] <bigtony> so stillr emove ?
[11:31] <jobezone> yes
[11:31] <z0mbi3> If I reboot, probably it will fix, until I unmount the ipod again.....
[11:31] <nimc> u use rhythmbox as an itunes clone? not something like gtkpod ?
[11:31] <Lowry> what is a good lcd font?
[11:31] <Fiik> not that it's an entirely ubuntu related question but what is the sil_sata driver status for <IP_ADDRESS>?  any links?
[11:31] <bigtony> ok now try it again?
[11:31] <bigtony> as in a reinstall?
[11:31] <jobezone> bigtony, first uninstall
[11:31] <z0mbi3> I use it just to access my music on the iPod, my other computer is an iBook running MacOS X, so I'm actually using iTunes to fill the iPod up
[11:31] <bigtony> just hit mark unistall?
[11:32] <jobezone> bigtony, yes
[11:32] <bigtony> sorry new on this and obviously i'm doing somethign wrong ok
[11:32] <bigtony> let me try
[11:32] <nimc> ok
[11:32] <z0mbi3> to disconnect the iPod I must umount /mnt/ipod then rmmod sbp2
[11:33] <z0mbi3> If I reboot without disconnecting the iPod I'll have troubles after reconnecting it.....AFAIK this has been it's Modus Operandi
[11:34] <z0mbi3> my problems with rebooting (other than having to lose a bit os uptime) is that sometimes the machine doesn't boot....
[11:34] <jobezone> bigtony, you can also got to a console and type "sudo apt-get remove samba" (or substitute samba with another package name you want to uninstall)
[11:34] <z0mbi3> it freezes while running the hotplug init script
[11:35] <z0mbi3> after giving me a FATAL: hw_random module error (can't recall the actual text)
[11:35] <bigtony> ok that seemed to have worked
[11:35] <bigtony> now reinstall it?
[11:36] <nimc> z0mbi3, i'll try it a little later and tell u what i get if you're still here.... which instructions should i follow to install the ipod stuff? link?
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, yeah. I never installed samba (never had to), but at least it's uninstalled proper
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, it didn't give any more errors right?
[11:36] <z0mbi3> nimc, just a sec
[11:36] <bigtony> correct
[11:36] <z0mbi3> let me look for them
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, I would sugest that after you install samba
[11:36] <jobezone> you go to the directory /usr/share/doc/
[11:37] <jobezone> there should be a directory called samba there, with texts which probably can help you in using and configuring it.
[11:37] <bigtony> yeah i know how to do that the conf file?
[11:38] <jobezone> sorry?
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[11:38] <bigtony> i already did taht one time but then i got this error thing
[11:38] <bigtony> and it was pissing me off ;)
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod_archive.html
[11:38] <bigtony> thanks for your help
[11:38] <jobezone> :) ok
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/
[11:38] <jobezone> look for the directory I mentioned in your disk, it usually gives good hints
[11:38] <nimc> thanks.....
[11:40] <z0mbi3> well, gonna try to reboot...
[11:40] <z0mbi3> brb
[11:40] <bigtony> thanks again i'm goint to bed on that one :)
[11:41] <jobezone> ok:)
[11:41] <jobezone> bigtony, good luck. try searching the net using the error you got
[11:41] <bigtony> i did
[11:41] <bigtony> but i never could figure out how to solve it
[11:42] <bigtony> thats how i got that page i posted
[11:42] <jobezone> ah
[11:42] <bigtony> googles my friend
[11:42] <bigtony> but someone's he is a butt
[11:42] <jobezone> yes, it's mine also. Google groups also a good friend
[11:42] <jobezone> for error messages
[11:43] <bigtony> didn't try the groups
[11:43] <bigtony> will do that nextime
[11:43] <bigtony> thanks again
[11:43] <bigtony> next task is mplayer
[11:43] <jobezone> welcome
[11:43] <bigtony> fun fun fun
[11:43] <jobezone> I think I saw that
[11:43] <jobezone> on the forums
[11:43] <bigtony> yeah
[11:43] <bigtony> i have the url for it
[11:43] <bigtony> gonna try it after some sleep
[11:43] <bigtony> thank god no work today
[11:43] <jobezone> ah, ok
[11:43] <jobezone> me too
[11:44] <bigtony> this the one your refering to?
[11:44] <bigtony> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[11:44] <linux_mafia> god dosent exist
[11:44] <jobezone> yes:)
[11:44] <bigtony> hope your right when yoru burning in hell
[11:45] <bigtony> but i'm not getting into religious stuff cause personally i don't care one way or another :)
[11:45] <jobezone> wait a minute, isn't mplayer in Universe?
[11:45] <bigtony> i thought so
[11:45] <bigtony> here is the thing
[11:45] <bigtony> i installed it right
[11:46] <bigtony> with the mplayer-custom
[11:46] <bigtony> but it NEVER
[11:46] <jobezone> I think the only manual thing you have to do is get the codecs from mplayer's site
[11:46] <bigtony> opens
[11:46] <bigtony> let me show youw hat it does
[11:46] <jobezone> ok
[11:46] <bigtony> check your pm
[11:47] <Sandman> Does Ubunutu have its own repositories?
[11:47] <Mithrandir> Sandman: yes.
[11:47] <Sandman> Does it include software like mplayer, which Debian doesn't include?
[11:48] <daniels> it includes mplayer, but no codecs
[11:48] <daniels> we don't distribute anything illegal
[11:48] <Sandman> And will Ubuntu give Debian the shaft, like so many of its other offshoots? That is to say, will Ubuntu work with Debian, or will it basically fork?
[11:48] <Sandman> daniels: Of course
[11:49] <daniels> we will continue to work productively with debian, as we always have
[11:49] <linux_mafia> Sandman, definately work with
[11:49] <Sandman> I've just been very concerned about Debian lately; I still believe it is the Best Distribution (or at least, framework for distribution) on planet earth
[11:49] <linux_mafia> Sandman, many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, like the guy your talking to now
[11:49] <Sandman> And many distributions just basically copy Debian, and fork, which really hurts them.
[11:49] <Treenaks> debian has a lot of social problems that need to be solved, imho
[11:50] <Sandman> Treenaks: So mean, like removing packages for personal issues?
[11:50] <jdub> Sandman: ubuntu is a branch of sid
[11:50] <Treenaks> Sandman: no, "fighting" between developers, lots of flamewars
[11:50] <jdub> Sandman: not a fork
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: How does Ubuntu propose to fix thse issues?
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: these, rather
[11:51] <daniels> (note that we have a continuous sync with debian running, so that if we deeply forked, we'd be drowning in unfixable bugs)
[11:51] <Amaranth> Sandman: By forking. :P
[11:51] <Treenaks> Amaranth: branching
[11:51] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Fine line there.
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: Branching, that is to say: You use Sid, but have different QA for how they trickle down into Stable?
[11:52] <jdub> Amaranth: look at hoary.
[11:52] <Sandman> My main issue with Debian is that they don't support their Testing distribtion.
[11:52] <Amaranth> I know, hoary is just pulling from sid.
[11:52] <Sandman> Someone could make an effective distribution by simply branching Testing, and offering security updates to it.
[11:52] <jdub> Sandman: each ubuntu release starts from sid, freezes, and comes out every six months
[11:52] <linux_mafia> Sandman, smaller team, tightly defined direction, etc
[11:52] <Sandman> Which is something a great many people want.
[11:52] <Treenaks> But I used to be a debian developer.. one of my reasons to stop (aside from lack of time..) was the way people try to make you do what THEY want, even if it's not the best thing for the project
[11:52] <jdub> Sandman: we've chosen to do that with sid, not testing.
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: Which is fine. ALthough you'd probably require an even smaller staff if you chose to use Testing =) That's just my opinion though.
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: I totally understand the purpose of Ubuntu now, though.
[11:53] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Not to mention all the people that hate debian devs.
[11:53] <Treenaks> Also, I've seen quite a few fixed-by-ubuntu entries in Debian changelogs on sid/testing
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: There's definately still a need for it.
[11:53] <jdub> Sandman: not really; using testing just keeps you in the debian release box.
[11:53] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, even when I tried to be reasonable with them..
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: Except that Debian only releases when it's ready, which could be as long as 2 years.
[11:53] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Lots of Debian devs seem to like to move files around to make them fit in and it causes things to break.
[11:54] <jdub> Sandman: that's why we branch off sid, not testing.
[11:54] <Amaranth> Like the monodevelop package.
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: Understood.
[11:54] <Mithrandir> Sandman: the problem with Debian releases is not that they're infrequent, it's that they're unpredictable.
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: The way Debian works right now is a method to effectively develop a rock-solid Stable distro. It's old, very secure, not necessarily totally bug-free.
[11:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: mono is a broken hell by design, it seems.. executables named ".exe"? libraries named ".dll"?
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: It's a great thing, Debian Stable, but it's not a solution for all things.
[11:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: no standard GNU-ish build-trees for Mono packages..
[11:55] <Sandman> jdub: What Ubuntu is doing is something useful, and it's great that it has chosen to work with Debian, rather than away from it.
[11:55] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Hmm?
[11:55] <scandium> Treenaks: no one forces you to use mono, you could just look at DotGNU instead, too ;)
[11:55] <Sandman> Mithrandir: That, too.
[11:55] <Treenaks> Amaranth: no simple "gcc-ish" interface, ("gcc blah.c" generates "a.out" which works, there's no equal for mono)
[11:55] <Amaranth> Treenaks: mcs blah.cs generates blah.exe
[11:55] <Sandman> Mithrandir: But Debian's release policy still has its uses. It makes very very solid, dependable releases. Although it has its fair share of problems imho, but that's a whole other issue.
[11:55] <mlh> Treenaks, same as any interpreted language
[11:56] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, with loads of undefined references because of "Assembly not found"
[11:56] <Treenaks> mlh: even perl Just Works... mono doesn't
[11:56] <jdub> Treenaks: mono .exe/.dll are not a 'broken design' problem
[11:56] <Amaranth> With binfmt you can just run ./text.exe just like with something gcc created.
[11:57] <Gavrila> hi all
[11:57] <daniels> Treenaks: um, if you want to generate a complex C program, you need lots of flags
[11:58] <Gavrila> in ubuntu are updates to the stable version made even not waiting for next release?
[11:58] <daniels> Treenaks: look at any GNOME compilation -- starting with -lX11 and right up to bazillions of other utility library
[11:58] <Treenaks> jdub: not being able to create a simple GNU-like build tree in 2 seconds (like I can for C stuff)..
[11:58] <daniels> Treenaks: you cannot run 'gcc -o foo bar.c' on any modern program other than Hello World, period
[11:58] <Gavrila> I mean if I get ubuntu stable, will "stable" packages be freezed until next release? or will they be updated day by day?
[11:58] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: security updates only.
[11:58] <Treenaks> whats wrong with make?
[11:58] <Amaranth> daniels: bin2iso works like that ;)
[11:58] <Amaranth> Treenaks: You can use makefiles with mono.
[11:59] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Look at IronPython
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: so for example Warty has been released with gnome-2.8
[11:59] <jdub> Treenaks: i don't think that's true.
[11:59] <daniels> Treenaks: exactly, what is wrong with make?  works just fine for the two mono projects I've made
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: and there will be no uptade untill next 6 monthS?
[11:59] <jdub> Gavrila: stable releases are stable (unchanging)
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: correct.
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: unless one runs the development bracn, naturally.
[11:59] <Treenaks> daniels: I tried to use mono, but stopped at creating a source tree.. it's just impossible, compared to a Gnome-using-C tree
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: but yet development is really unreliable
[12:00] <Elwood_Hawaii> and hoary?it will update every second?
[12:00] <Amaranth> Treenaks: I call PEBKAC.
[12:00] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: hm?  Unreliable in what regard?
[12:01] <daniels> Treenaks: worked fine for me
[12:01] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: I mean it will not assure that packages will work
[12:01] <Gavrila> am I wrong?
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: that's right, you should not run it in a production system.
[12:01] <stvn> Gavrila: you can't have both a stable desktop and one that includes the newest of the newest, ubuntu made a nice compromise with warty and hoary IMHO
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: but there won't be a stable release of gnome before March, at which point the hoary preview release goes out.
[12:02] <z0mbi3> back
[12:02] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: and what about gnome-2.8.1?
[12:02] <Amaranth> That reminds me, will hoary eventually be using GNOME 2.9?
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: warty already includes a lot of the fixes in gnome 2.8.1
[12:02] <stvn> Amaranth: no, 2.9 = unstable
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: I believe the stable release of gnome 2.9 is called gnome 2.10
[12:02] <Amaranth> stvn: Yes, just like hoary.
[12:02] <seb128> Amaranth: hoary already has 2.9.1
[12:02] <Amaranth> Oh?
[12:02] <jdub> Amaranth: hoary already includes the 2.9 development stuff
[12:03] <stvn> Amaranth: ah sorry, misread it :)
[12:03] <Amaranth> I've still got 2.8.1. :/
[12:03] <stvn> Amaranth: it will be 2.10 when hoary is released
[12:03] <seb128> the "about" says 2.8.1 because this module has no 2.9.1 tarball
[12:03] <Amaranth> stvn: I know.
[12:03] <seb128> Amaranth: dpkg -l gnome-applets ?
[12:03] <Sandman> I hope Ubuntu will work with UMSDOS =)
[12:03] <Gavrila> is hoary unstable as debian unstable is? or worse?
[12:04] <Sandman> Or rather, contribute to it, I mean.
[12:04] <Amaranth> seb128: 2.9.1, cool
[12:04] <Amaranth> Gavrila: hoary is like a mix of sid and experimental
[12:05] <Amaranth> Actually, so is warty (GNOME 2.8) but yeah.
[12:05] <Sandman> Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, will one be able to apt-get upgrade when a new release is made, or must one download the ISOs again?
[12:05] <Amaranth> Sandman: apt-get works
[12:06] <jdub> Sandman: on-line upgrade is a feature we couldn't possibly nuke :)
[12:06] <stvn> heh
[12:06] <mjr> hmh, I try to change the WWW browser to Galeon and still gnome-terminal opens firefox
[12:06] <Lowry> night
[12:06] <Amaranth> mjr: You changed sensible-browser?
[12:06] <seb128> mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?
[12:07] <mjr> Amaranth, no, the gnome preferred browser
[12:08] <seb128> mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?
[12:08] <seb128> (again)
[12:08] <Amaranth> Oh, I just changed the symlink.
[12:09] <mjr> seb128, yes, that's galeon
[12:11] <stvn> Treenaks: voor 3D spelletjes is de nvidia driver anders wel prettig hoor
[12:11] <mjr> hmh, I rebooted gnome-terminal and now it works
[12:11] <Treenaks> stvn: ja.. dat bedoel ik..
[12:15] <mjr> hmh, and now, after restarting gnome-terminal, it recognizes the changes on the fly
[12:16] <mjr> it's a heisenbug
[12:21] <linux_mafia> anyone using current hoary, geting crashes with xmms?
[12:24] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, use esd as out[ut driver
[12:24] <deFrysk> out[ut
[12:24] <deFrysk> p
[12:24] <deFrysk> then it works fine
[12:25] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok
[12:25] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, meltdown with flash?
[12:27] <daniels> transset deb: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/
[12:31] <deFrysk> linu
[12:32] <netmonk> I have a question, can someone help me, please!
[12:36] <deFrysk> netmonk, unless u ask noone can
[12:37] <netmonk> ;)
[12:38] <netmonk> i have a toshiba notebook, there's a module toshiba_acpi but it doesn't load automaticaly, How can I make it load?
[12:40] <netmonk> on my suse distro it loads as I start the computer, but with the ubunutu it doesn't
[12:41] <Despair> netmonk: add `toshiba_acpi` to /etc/modules
[12:44] <netmonk> 10x Despair
[12:46] <atropu1> I mount a floppy disk but I don't umount before I take it out and after I don't umount it: device is busy
[12:47] <atropu1> How can I use a new floppy after that?
[12:47] <Elwood_Hawaii> fuser /dev/fd0
[12:48] <atropu1> tnx
[12:49] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1,  kill the process
[12:50] <atropu1> what kind of process? ps -e
[12:51] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1,  the process number showed by fuser
[12:52] <Elwood_Hawaii> fuser  /dev/ttyLT0
[12:52] <Elwood_Hawaii> /dev/ttyLT0:          3152
[12:53] <atropu1> the fuser /dev/fd0 doesn't write it the pid
[12:53] <atropu1> for me
[12:54] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1, try mount whitout args and check what said
[12:54] <atropu1> with fuser -c /dev/fd0 its ok
[12:55] <atropu1> tnx
[12:59] <seek187> Is there a way to get the 'Computer' and 'Home' On the desktop like how it is in horay or whatever its called???
[12:59] <Treenaks> seek187: hoary
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: and, you can use gconf-editor for that I think
[01:00] <seek187> hmm ok thanks
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: wait a sec
[01:00] <seek187> ok
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212/view
[01:01] <seek187> ah cool thankyou :)
[01:11] <quazion> i am trying to configure the use of an lpr printer, is lpd the right choice in the new printer menu ?
[01:12] <Treenaks> Quazion: yes
[01:12] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: no, use cups
[01:12] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: in the cups menu..
[01:12] <Quazion> hmmm
[01:13] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: you can make cups print to lpd printers (and "lpd printer" is the same as an "lpr printer")
[01:13] <Quazion> if i type in the que name i get * (stars) instead of a name
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: install cups, point your browser to http://localhost:631 to configure your printer
[01:14] <Quazion> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing. ;-)
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: NO
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: that's disabled
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: in ubuntu...
[01:15] <Quazion> hehe ;-)
[01:15] <Quazion> the page works though
[01:15] <Treenaks> Quazion: exactly :) and you can choose for an "lpr" or "lpd" printer there, the 2 are the same thing
[01:15] <Treenaks> Quazion: did you enable a root password then? (if so, why?)
[01:15] <Quazion> no
[01:16] <Quazion> i just did a plain install
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: and the web interface works?.. weird
[01:16] <Quazion> it says its disabled
[01:16] <Quazion> but does show the info
[01:16] <Quazion> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[01:16] <Quazion> thats what it says at the top of the screen
[01:16] <Quazion> i cant change anything tru the web interface
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: ah ok, that's good..
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: use the menu :)
[01:16] <Quazion> i think it is yes
[01:20] <Quazion> when i print it does nothing
[01:20] <Quazion> on the cups site it says:
[01:20] <Quazion>  Printer State: processing, accepting jobs.
[01:20] <Quazion> "unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory"
[01:20] <Treenaks> Quazion: hmm.. that's weird..
[01:20] <Quazion> Device URI: lpd://<IP_ADDRESS>/hp
[01:20] <Treenaks> any cups gurus around?
[01:20] <Quazion> *grins* :)
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you have an hp printer?
[01:21] <Quazion> yes
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you may want to install hpoj/hpij
[01:21] <Quazion> a hp psc 2110
[01:21] <Quazion> but its hooked to a lan print server
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: and the hp foomatic drivers
[01:28] <pax82> how to run hat program witch i deafult statring after instalation ? (upgrade from interent)
[01:28] <daniels> pax82: try #redhat
[01:29] <pax82> I'm asking about ubuntu :>
[01:29] <thoreauputic> daniels: typos i think
[01:30] <thoreauputic> maybe language probs as well
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> i can understand a word he just said
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> can't
[01:30] <thoreauputic> pax82: do you mean the program for installing and updating?
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> he's gone
[01:30] <Despair> hmm, maybe "How to run that program which I default start after installation? (upgrade from internet)"
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> probably to #redhat
[01:31] <thoreauputic> too late :/ he left already
[01:32] <Quazion> the gnome cups manager is very borked
[01:32] <daniels> oh, i read 'run hat' as 'red hat'
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you want http://hpoj.sourceforge.net
[01:35] <Quazion> i had it working tru a windows smb server which shared the server
[01:35] <Quazion> but i want to dismantle the windows computer, so i bought a lpr printserver
[01:35] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: and http://hpinkjet.sf.net
[01:35] <Quazion> which works from my windows client
[01:38] <Quazion> my problem is not with the printer driver, cause it works b_e_n_z atleast tru smb printing, just lpr is not working, but thanks anyways :)
[01:44] <noda> Now that I've got x.org, how can I give my menus drop-shadows?
[01:45] <b_e_n_z> noda: xcompmgr
[01:45] <noda> I apt-cache searched for it and found nothing
[01:46] <fabbione> it's not in the archive yet
[01:46] <noda> oh :)
[01:46] <cenerentola> ciao
[01:46] <noda> That'd explain it :)
[01:46] <fabbione> it will be within today or tomorrow
[01:46] <fabbione> ciao
[01:46] <noda> And when I install it it'll just work?
[01:46] <b_e_n_z> i think metacity has some support for drop shadow... but i am not 100% sure
[01:46] <fabbione> noda: yes
[01:47] <noda> Next: nautilus is taking ages to open folders, and the file load/save dialogs are taking ages to open. Does anyone else have this problem (or a suggestion)?
[01:48] <noda> A quick test of "gnomevfs-cat" and "gnomevfs-ls" showed that they run quickly.
[01:49] <jdub> noda: using hoary?
[01:49] <noda> yup
[01:49] <jdub> have you upgraded, watched libgamin replace libfam, and not installed gamin?
[01:49] <noda> Yes, I have probably done exactly that :)
[01:49] <noda> I didn't realize I had to install a daemon :)
[01:49] <noda> Thanks :)
[01:49] <noda> Very fast now :)
[01:50] <noda> Wow, that's cool. jdub, you rock :)
[01:50] <jdub> ubuntu-desktop should depend on it
[01:50] <jdub> martink: ;)
[01:51] <noda> Wow, I don't have ubuntu-desktop installed. Maybe because I switched to totem-xine
[01:51] <port7> will ubuntu ever do tv adverts?
[01:51] <martink> jdub, and I didn't blame the terminal for the delay
[01:52] <jdub> martink: hahaha
[01:53] <cenerentola_> ...
[01:54] <noda> jdub: Thanks for your help. Later :)
[01:57] <n1teman> hi can anyone give me some info?
[01:58] <secretaris> I modified the username and password of the only sudoer on the system
[01:59] <n1teman> i was just wondering if there is an ubuntu distro for powerpc machines - common hardware reference platform?
[01:59] <secretaris> is there a way out of that?
[01:59] <robertj> anyone on hoary experiencing problems with burning cds?
[01:59] <Treenaks> secretaris: uh.. vi did visudo and passwd ?
[01:59] <robertj> niteman: yes, it's fully supported. Grab the ppc disk
[01:59] <n1teman> so it should work on my pegasos ppc machine?
[01:59] <Treenaks> secretaris: boot in recovery mode, and visudo, change the username
[01:59] <secretaris> ok, thx
[01:59] <secretaris> bye
[02:00] <linux_mafia> robertj, problems? specifics?
[02:00] <robertj> linux: right click and burning an iso causes a crash, cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing
[02:00] <robertj> xcdroast detects no burner
[02:01] <seek187> hmm is there a easy way to upgrade gaim
[02:01] <SmokingFire> robertj: to use cdrecord use cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom
[02:01] <lupus_> do only not removable IDE support smart?
[02:01] <linux_mafia> robertj, yes i have nautilus prob, running xcdroast under sudo?
[02:01] <cenerentola> ive got problems with hoary
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: use gksudo
[02:02] <cenerentola> ive upgraded to hoary
[02:02] <linux_mafia> Treenaks, what for?
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: to start X apps
[02:02] <cenerentola> and now i can use gdm only in 640*480
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: s root
[02:02] <SmokingFire> robertj: linux2.6 or something doesn't support the scsi burner way of scanbus but using /dev/cdrom works arround this.
[02:02] <cenerentola> and if i try to install anything it gives an error, in synaptic, for eggdesktopentries.c line 2223
[02:03] <linux_mafia> Treenaks, oh, no, i was asking robertj if he is using xcdroast with sudo, because of 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/prob
[02:03] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: oh ah ok
[02:05] <cenerentola> who can help?
[02:05] <robertj> I used the disk utility which lists all your disks
[02:05] <robertj> it showed /dev/hddd to be the rw drive
[02:05] <robertj> and thats working
[02:06] <cenerentola> plz help.. ive got an instable connection i dont know for how much time i will be online
[02:07] <bezak> backing up mp3's to my ipod bout to do a format, the fear is setting in haha
[02:08] <bezak> cerentol: shouldve stuck to the stable install hehe
[02:09] <cenerentola> ... well yes.. but how can i change screen resolution?
[02:09] <cenerentola> its stuck in 640 even if it doesnt appear in xorg.config
[02:10] <bezak> cerentol: i'm sorry im no expert with gdm or xfree
[02:11] <cenerentola> no its xorg... ;)
[02:12] <jdub> cenerentola: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:12] <cenerentola> ive already checked it...
[02:12] <cenerentola> and it doesnt even appear 640*480
[02:12] <cenerentola> they are all higher resolutions
[02:12] <jdub> check the xorg logfiles, it's probably not working
[02:13] <cenerentola> they're in?
[02:14] <cenerentola> jdub: whats eggdesktopentries.c related to?
[02:15] <pao> Hi all! How do I control window placement strategy in metacity?
[02:15] <jdub> pao: you can't.
[02:16] <pao> jdub, I was fearing it :-)
[02:16] <pao> jdub, do you think I can get the same level of gnome integration with icewm?
[02:16] <jdub> perhaps, see if it supports the freedesktop.org window management standards
[02:17] <daniels> word up to ewmh
[02:17] <pao> jdub, thanks...
[02:18] <cenerentola> jdub: where are xorg logs located?
[02:18] <pao> daniels, enlightment?
[02:19] <jdub> cenerentola: /var/logs/
[02:21] <kensai> so cds are already shipping!
[02:22] <ghostrifle> hi, could anyone help me with getting sound juicer to encode mp3s ?? the mp3 option is disabled
[02:22] <kensai> anyone has enabled composite in xorg?
[02:22] <seek187> what all do I need to install to compile programs
[02:23] <cenerentola> jdub: youre right (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:23] <daniels> cenerentola: you're using the nvidia binary driver
[02:23] <cenerentola> yes
[02:23] <cenerentola> i was actually ;)
[02:24] <daniels> don't do that
[02:24] <cenerentola> too late...
[02:24] <daniels> or, if you do that, do it properly
[02:24] <cenerentola> how?;)
[02:24] <daniels> don't load the GLcore or dri modules
[02:24] <cenerentola> daniels: well what do you mean?
[02:25] <cenerentola> ahh.. and will it get all up working
[02:25] <cenerentola> ?
[02:25] <daniels> maybe, I don't know
[02:25] <daniels> i don't have any nvidia hardware
[02:25] <thoreauputic> seek187: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ make automake   (that should cover it I think)
[02:26] <pao> How do I check if my xchat support python?
[02:26] <ghostrifle> join /#gnome-de
[02:26] <thoreauputic> pao: it does
[02:27] <thoreauputic> pao: assuming you are using ubuntu
[02:27] <pao> thoreauputic, I do :-)
[02:28] <gen> morning guys
[02:28] <pao> 'evening gen :-)
[02:28] <gen> morning for me :)
[02:28] <gen> 7:30 heh
[02:28] <pao> 14:30 here... :-)
[02:29] <gen> europe?
[02:29] <pao> yep... Italy
[02:29] <pao> CET :-)
[02:29] <pao> Central European Time
[02:30] <gen> nice
[02:30] <Treenaks> run "TZ=CET date" in a shell :P
[02:33] <pao> bye all friends... back to work...
[02:33] <gen> bye
[02:33] <pao> CIAO!
[02:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> so how's everyone doing today?
[02:34] <gen> i'm good, and you?
[02:40] <cenerentola> daniels: quite the same
[02:42] <cenerentola> http://www.pastebin.com/118552
[02:43] <daniels> all I see is the authentication problems
[02:43] <daniels> which are probably caused by a crackful ~/.Xauthority
[02:43] <daniels> nothing to do with any actual server problems
[02:44] <cenerentola> so what should i do?
[02:45] <cenerentola> daniels: what should i do?
[02:45] <daniels> which problem are you actually trying to fix?
[02:45] <cenerentola> im stuck in 640*480
[02:47] <cenerentola> daniels: and it also complains with a eggdesktopentries.c line 2223
[02:47] <cenerentola> daniels: it=apt-get
[02:48] <daniels> cenerentola: yeah, that's not fatal
[02:49] <cenerentola> thx for the infos...
[02:49] <cenerentola> daniels: now how can i get over it?
[02:49] <daniels> dunno
[02:50] <cenerentola> can you ask in devel?
[02:50] <cenerentola> i mean over the resolution problem... thats vital
[02:51] <cenerentola> daniels: the eggdesk.. thing is less important
[02:52] <daniels> dunno
[02:52] <daniels> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:52] <daniels> delete HorizSync/VertRefresh lines
[02:52] <cenerentola> in the monitor settings? only that?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> Good morning everybody :)
[02:54] <cenerentola> ... ill reboot
[02:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> rebooting is for losers
[02:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> LinuxJones: good morning
[02:59] <kvm> hi
[03:00] <kvm> how come the command "init 3" do nothing except freezing my pc?
[03:00] <kvm> is it something repairable?
[03:07] <Quazion> fixxed my printing problem :) somehow cups went wild and created a 100 lpd print jobs that hang,so my new settings didnt work until i reboted :)
[03:09] <daniels> cenerentola: oh well, then no idea, sorry
[03:10] <cenerentola> daniels: maybe ull like this alittle more http://www.pastebin.com/118558
[03:11] <daniels> cenerentola: dude
[03:11] <daniels> (WW) NVIDIA(0): config file hsync range 28-33kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[03:11] <daniels> (WW) NVIDIA(0): config file vrefresh range 43-72Hz not within DDC vrefresh ranges.
[03:11] <daniels> cenerentola: delete horizsync and vertrefresh from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:11] <cenerentola> ive already done it
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> sorry
[03:12] <gwildor_> morning (for me) room
[03:14] <Quazion> how do i add new fonts ?
[03:16] <jdub> Quazion: open nautilus, hit ctrl-l, type "fonts:///"
[03:16] <jdub> Quazion: drag stuff in there
[03:16] <Quazion> k thanks
[03:17] <Quazion> wonder why there isnt a link to it somewhere
[03:17] <jdub> there is, but somewhat hidden :)
[03:17] <Quazion> seems the fonts are locked
[03:17] <jdub> it's in computer > desktop preferences > font; then details, then 'go to fonts folder'
[03:17] <jdub> the fonts listed there already are system fonts
[03:18] <jdub> if you drag fonts in there, they'll be installed for your user only (in ~/.fonts)
[03:18] <Quazion> sounds logical
[03:22] <Quazion> seems to work, although it doesnt show in the fonts folder ;-)
[03:24] <Keybuk> jdub: yeah, that button should be under "Font Preferences" and not hidden under "Details"
[03:24] <Quazion> indeed, feels not logical :)
[03:27] <jdub> Keybuk: i've toyed with the idea of that view being the primary font preferences window, with the other bits as a bar at the top or something
[03:34] <edd> does hoary have a newer kernel?
[03:34] <jdub> only slightly
[03:34] <jdub> it fixes two configuration changes that crept into warty
[03:34] <edd> so no good for getting my hands on 2.6.9?
[03:35] <gholen> How do I install XMMS in ubuntu?
[03:35] <daniels> edd: mjg59 has a test 2.6.9 kernel with swsusp love, iirc
[03:35] <daniels> mjg59: OBNOXIOUS HIGHLIGHTING TRIGGER ^^
[03:35] <Deviled> ghoeln - open the console and type in "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[03:36] <edd> daniels: oh cool. see, i'm moving my main laptop to ubuntu in a fit of recklessness
[03:36] <daniels> edd: rad!
[03:36] <gholen> gonna try it
[03:37] <Deviled> maybe you should do "sudo apt-get update" first ;)
[03:37] <Elwood> ubuntu to all
[03:37] <mjg59> edd: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/
[03:37] <Deviled> el, yeah, i removed my winxp partiotion yesterday ;)
[03:37] <Elwood> i have just get xorg from hoary but it crashes saying no core device, crash on keyboard...
[03:38] <edd> mjg59: cool. i'll likely bug you a little :)
[03:39] <gwildor_> hi guys
[03:39] <Elwood> EE) No Input driver matching `Keyboard'
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE)
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
[03:39] <Elwood> No core keyboard
[03:39] <Elwood> any idea?
[03:40] <daniels> nvidia event handler??
[03:40] <daniels> what did you do to your config file?
[03:40] <Elwood> daniels,  the config is ok..the same of xfree86
[03:41] <Elwood> it failed to initialize core  devices
[03:41] <daniels> where did nvidia event handler come from?
[03:41] <Elwood> i suppose from my nvdia driver?
[03:42] <daniels> try changing "keyboard" to "kbd"
[03:42] <daniels> but I don't know, dude
[03:42] <LinuxJones> hi gwildor_
[03:42] <gen> gwil dor as in masters of the universe?
[03:42] <gen> ahah
[03:42] <Rene_S> Bleh, its winter .... :(
[03:43] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, we got out first snow flurries yesterday :(
[03:43] <gholen> did not work, am i to change anything?
[03:43] <Elwood> daniels,  ok thnks
[03:43] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, yeah same here
[03:43] <bwlang> anybody know how to setup a usb key to be a home dir for the live cd of ubuntu?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, I see your on Rogers you poor soul :D
[03:44] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, well I am not a big fan of Sympatico
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, Sympatico and Rogers are both garbage :)
[03:45] <gwildor_> gen, you know it  I HAVE THE POWER
[03:46] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, I have had rogers for 5 years now, got used to the level of service
[03:46] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, to lazy to switch
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, heh I am surprised you not still running Microsoft products, J/K 8)
[03:47] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, Nah, Not even for gaming anymore, dont miss it at all
[03:47] <gwildor_> linuxjones, just so you know, I am that mirak noob that was here a few weeks ago, the mirak that hangs here now isnt me
[03:50] <nimc> what do i mount in /dev for firewire ?
[03:50] <Zindar> you never "mount" anything in /dev... from /dev perhaps.. but never in
[03:50] <nimc> ok:)
[03:50] <Deviled> hm, can somebody tell my how i get my AltGR button to work? it doesnt want to do the ..ahh... this thing to go to the home folder.... looks like a lyling s
[03:51] <Zindar> Deviled: usually it's enought to change from pc104 to pc105 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:51] <nimc> webpage i'm looking at said /dev/sda2 - but there isn't such a thing hmm
[03:51] <mjg59> edd: The acpi-support scripts there ought to do suspend/resume on your machine, too
[03:51] <gholen> How do I install XMMS in ubuntu? did not work whit the atp-get
[03:51] <Zindar> at least that does it for swedish keyboards
[03:52] <Zindar> gholen: "sudo apt-get install xmms".. you MIGHT need to enable universe first
[03:52] <edd> mjg59: cool. i'll report back.
[03:52] <nimc> Zindar, do u know what i should use instead of /dev/sda2 ?
[03:52] <Quazion> How do i edit the menu's ?
[03:52] <Deviled> i'll try.. have a german keyboard
[03:52] <Zindar> nimc: no, are you sure you're firewire hardware is supported by linux...???
[03:52] <Zindar> nmic: it may not be
[03:52] <Zindar> nimc: that's the first thing to find out
[03:52] <gholen> univere are enabled!
[03:52] <nimc> Zindar, it's an ipod.... someone said here earlier that it is
[03:53] <Elwood>  Identifier  "Keyboard1"    Driver      "Keyboard"
[03:53] <Elwood> it should be keyboard0?
[03:53] <edd> mjg59: your packages are ok to use with warty?
[03:54] <nimc> Zindar, sorry, when i plug it in... /dev/sda2 appears
[03:54] <Zindar> nimc: ahh.. it is... however, the firewire hardware in your computer must be supported as well
[03:55] <Deviled> Zindar: could you say me where can i find pc104 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[03:55] <Zindar> nimc: alright.. that's good
[03:55] <Zindar> Deviled:         Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
[03:55] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, someone stole your nick ?
[03:56] <Deviled> Zindar: oh..k..found it..but it's already pc105 :/
[03:56] <Zindar> Deviled: than that's not the problem
[03:56] <nimc> Zindar, hmm now i get: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:56] <Zindar> Deviled: sorry.. can't help you
[03:56] <mjg59> edd: Should be, yup
[03:56] <Zindar> nimc: are you running a windows ipod or a mac ipod?
[03:56] <gwildor_> linuxjones, he registered it, but didn't hang in this room, but he started coming here, and made me change it, pm's all day long
[03:56] <Zindar> nimc: I think it has to be converted to a windows ipod first...
[03:56] <Zindar> but I am not sure
[03:57] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, yikes
[03:57] <sjoerd> mac ipod should work fine
[03:57] <jono> hi all
[03:57] <nimc> Zindar, it's a windows formatted ipod
[03:57] <Zindar> nimc: I think you need help from someone who has a ipod.. I run iriver since it's better :)
[03:57] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[03:57] <jono> anyone use a palm with ubuntu?
[03:57] <Deviled> ah, ok, i have to press it twise..lol, should tried it out
[03:57] <gwildor_> LinuxJones, yeah, im not very happy with him
[03:57] <jono> I dont know which port is used in /dev - there is no /dev/pilot
[03:58] <nimc> i'll look at the websites in a little more detail.... if i don't get it i'll try to ask here some more...
[03:58] <Zindar> jono: probably a /dev/ttySx
[03:58] <Rene_S> /dev/co-pilot ?   hehe
[03:58] <Zindar> where x is a number
[03:58] <jono> it is a USB device though
[03:58] <Zindar> ahh
[03:58] <Zindar> than I have no idea
[03:58] <Treenaks> /dev/ttyUSBx ?
[03:58] <Treenaks> look in dmesg..
[03:59] <jono> there are no ttyUSB entries
[03:59] <jono> it doesnt say anything in /var/log/messages when I plug it in
[04:00] <Treenaks> jono: and in kern.log?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> ls /dev | grep -i usb  ?
[04:04] <britt_> hey
[04:04] <britt_> Got a question for you all
[04:04] <BrittMan914> hello
[04:05] <BrittMan914> can anybody help me
[04:05] <BrittMan914> ?
[04:05] <Zindar> BrittMan914: just ask
[04:05] <BrittMan914> alrigth
[04:06] <BrittMan914> anybody experience lockups in OpenOffice.Org when opening up multiple documents
[04:06] <BrittMan914> sorry
[04:06] <BrittMan914> i didnt know anybody was in here
[04:06] <deFrysk> 303 in here
[04:06] <gholen> okej, so now I've got the xmms and the plugin for greamer to play MP3's, but I can't install it, how do i du?
[04:06] <Quazion> more questions: i mounted an ftp server, how can other applications use that connection ?
[04:06] <Zindar> BrittMan914: nope.. never happened for me
[04:06] <BrittMan914> ok
[04:06] <BrittMan914> :0
[04:06] <BrittMan914> :)
[04:06] <Zindar> gholen: what do you mean "can't install"
[04:07] <BrittMan914> anybody know of a RealVNC client that is easy to install
[04:07] <gwildor_> gholen, where did you get it?, apt or synaptic should have installed them
[04:07] <deFrysk> gholen, just install the metapackage gstreamer-plugins to ge all plugins for gstreamer
[04:07] <wasabi> Where about is mplayer?
[04:07] <Zindar> BrittMan914: application -> internet -> terminal server client works for me with vnc
[04:07] <BrittMan914> cool
[04:07] <BrittMan914> let me try
[04:07] <deFrysk> gholen, meaning sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[04:07] <gwildor_> wasabi, marrilat, or ?multiverse?, if its universe ill get flamed
[04:08] <wasabi> what's the source for marrilat?
[04:08] <gholen> gnna try agian
[04:08] <gwildor_> wasabi, check "restrictedformats" on the wiki
[04:09] <gwildor_> if ogra|bot was here, he'd post the link
[04:09] <BrittMan914> alrigth
[04:09] <BrittMan914> tried that
[04:09] <BrittMan914> and i get a error
[04:10] <BrittMan914> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 cannot be found
[04:10] <BrittMan914> what is that
[04:10] <BrittMan914> can i apt-get install those
[04:10] <BrittMan914> as a generic thing like libstdc?
[04:10] <gwildor_> BrittMan914, search in synaptic for it
[04:11] <BrittMan914> ok
[04:12] <BrittMan914> i think i did and i went down the list and installed all of them
[04:12] <BrittMan914> probly a bad thing
[04:12] <BrittMan914> hey how do you do that
[04:12] <gwildor_> "/me shrugs"
[04:12] <BrittMan914> cool
[04:12] <BrittMan914> :)
[04:12] <BrittMan914> thanks
[04:12] <gwildor_> :)
[04:12] <gholen> It gets the list, but then it complains abuot me not being ROOT, but I am
[04:12] <gwildor_> gholen, ??, when?
[04:13] <gwildor_> in synaptic?
[04:13] <gholen> no, in comandmode
[04:13] <gwildor_> didja sudo?
[04:13] <gholen> is say's like this..
[04:13] <gholen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:14] <gwildor_> gholen, above me, sorry
[04:14] <Treenaks> gholen: well, maybe another process is using it (another apt/dpkg/synaptic running)
[04:14] <gholen> In yej i did suso
[04:14] <gwildor_> gholen, ogh yeah, is synaptic open anywhere?
[04:15] <gwildor_> treenaks, thnx
[04:15] <gholen> no, not in this time
[04:15] <Treenaks> gholen: really sure?
[04:16] <gwildor_> gholen, something has to be, what do you have open, check all desktops
[04:16] <thoreauputic> maybe another terminal
[04:16] <gholen> shall i reeboot my laptop and try again, yes, i'm positive..
[04:17] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, would another terminal open cause that?, I mean if was in the process of installing, sure, but I would think just sitting there
[04:17] <gwildor_> wouldnt*
[04:17] <gholen> okej, now, I'll start the synaptic
[04:17] <gwildor_> gholen, what do you have running?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> gwildor_: just wondering if the dir might be open somewhere else
[04:18] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, kk, I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was checking for myself, so I know
[04:18] <thoreauputic> gwildor_: in itself, of course, a terminal open is not important :)
[04:18] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, thnx :)
[04:19] <EfaistOs> hi
[04:19] <gwildor_> hi hi
[04:19] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, hiya
[04:19] <EfaistOs> for the security updates it's ubuntu or debian who take care of this  ?
[04:19] <Matthew_I> so ubuntu is basically debian, but targeted for the desktop
[04:20] <gwildor_> I guess , in a way, kinda, sorta
[04:21] <gholen> now, I've reloaded the synaptic, and a bunch of uppgrades is shown
[04:21] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, the Ubuntu devs will compile the updates against Warty and make them available to us, so Ubuntu I would guess.
[04:21] <Matthew_I> so basically you guys grab debian unstable, then fix it for distribution, add your utils and call it gravy
[04:21] <gwildor_> gholen, do em
[04:21] <Treenaks> Matthew_I: basically
[04:21] <jdub> Matthew_I: ubuntu isn't desktop specific, we just happen to have a really kickarse desktop :)
[04:22] <Matthew_I> has there been any effort to become an official part of the debian project?
[04:22] <Matthew_I> or is that not really of intrest?
[04:22] <jdub> there's not really any scope for it
[04:22] <dopey> i dont see how a project like ubuntu could become 'an official part' of debian
[04:23] <Matthew_I> one reason I am asking so many quesitons is because I currently use debian unstable for my desktop (I am thinking about switching to ubuntu)
[04:23] <fords> i really hate to ask this on such short notice, but i've got less than two days to figure ubuntu out before i give this system back to my sister and she moves away.  how do i install the kernel sources for the version i've got running (<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386)
[04:23] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, and are ubuntu updates available quickly ?
[04:23] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, DO IT
[04:23] <Matthew_I> I have a seperate home partition so switching should not be too difficult...
[04:23] <Matthew_I> I have for a while now thought that something like this should be made, because debian releases way to slow
[04:23] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, I bielive you can just UPGRADE to ubuntu, but don't ask me how
[04:23] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, you would have to ask the dev's about how quicky the Security Updates get released.
[04:24] <Matthew_I> I think they should have a server branch, a base branch, and a desktop branch all releasing seperatly...
[04:24] <netmonk> hello! what file must i modify in order to have a daemon start every time I start the computer? i tryed to find rc.local but I was not able. any ideas?
[04:24] <Matthew_I> so for extra packages not in ubuntu do I just pull those from debian?
[04:24] <Zindar> was fairly easy..
[04:24] <dopey> fords: apt-get kernel-source-2.6.8
[04:24] <gholen> thats just it, I cant, it shoows a huge amount of errors
[04:24] <Nafallo> netmonk: update-rc.d
[04:24] <dopey> fords: s/apt-get /apt-get install /
[04:24] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, you could, but ubuntu does not recommend or support it
[04:25] <Matthew_I> so where do I get stuff that I might need like mysql or something?
[04:25] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, in comparaison to debian ... no idea ? when are the devs available here ?
[04:25] <gwildor_> gholen, what are the errors, maybe turn off the cd source
[04:25] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, there are dev's here right now
[04:25] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: are the packages that heavily modified?
[04:25] <fords> dopey: couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8
[04:25] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, I have no idea
[04:25] <Nafallo> fords: linux-source-2.6.8
[04:25] <fords> dopey: and i figured the 'install' was implied.  i'm not completely stupid, just uneducated.  ;)
[04:25] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, who ?
[04:26] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, jdub
[04:26] <dopey> fords: check in synaptec for packages with a similar name, unfortunately i dont have an ubuntu machine accessable at present
[04:26] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: ubuntu must have a stragety for packages that are not there?
[04:26] <EfaistOs> jdub, present ?
[04:26] <fords> dopey, Nafallo, thanks.  i'll do that.
[04:26] <Zindar> linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:26] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, I don't know if he's on that team or not though
[04:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:26] <dopey> fords: apt-cache search ^kernel-source   (of course, i'm guessing..)
[04:26] <Despair> fords: `apt-cache search kernel-source` might be handy too
[04:26] <Matthew_I> so how do you pronounce ubuntu?  is it like ooo-boon-too?
[04:26] <Treenaks> I think so.. jdub?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> fords: try apt-cache search linux-source
[04:26] <gholen> cd suorce is of
[04:26] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, goona have to talk with a dev about it, im a noob,
[04:26] <Matthew_I> or ooo BOON too?
[04:26] <Nafallo> dopey: in ubuntu it's s/kernel/linux/g :-)
[04:27] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: oh... I figured as much...
[04:27] <MasterYoda> gwildor_: not a prob though
[04:27] <gwildor_> MasterYoda, thnx :)
[04:27] <fords> thoreauputic: already on it with synaptic.  give me a moment (trying to get this conexant winmodem working, but it required a kernel source tree to be present)
[04:27] <dopey> fords: no offense intended, just lowest-common-denominator
[04:27] <fords> give me a couple of minutes...
[04:27] <dopey> Nafallo: danke, i'll keep it in mind
[04:27] <lemsx1> Nafallo, in ubunto is linux!? nice! ... i like that
[04:27] <thoreauputic> fords: ah - catch 22
[04:27] <jdub> Matthew_I: yeah
[04:27] <lemsx1> Nafallo, ubuntu of course :-)
[04:27] <jdub> Matthew_I: ooh-ooh-ooh! ubuntu! :)
[04:27] <Nafallo> the correct way to pronounce ubuntu is written on the homepage somewhere.
[04:28] <MasterYoda> jdub: huh?
[04:28] <Nafallo> dopey: :-)
[04:28] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's ooh-ooh-ooh? or are you just rhyming?
[04:28] <gwildor_> masteryoda, jdub is a dev, ask him your question about debian
[04:28] <netmonk> 10x Nafallo
[04:28] <jdub> MasterYoda: that's what the vowels sound like.
[04:29] <fords> thoreauputic: perhaps.  i'm kind of hoping not.  but then again... i've gotta try before i ask.  and i wouldn't ask (instead resorting to google for such information) but i have no prior ubuntu experience.  i have only a couple of days to get it up and running before she moves out.
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: when I need packages not in ubuntu do I just install them from debian?
[04:29] <lemsx1> jdub, maybe somebody should make a .ogg for it :-)
[04:29] <Nafallo> netmonk: np :-)
[04:29] <dopey> jdub: what timezone are you in at the moment? :)
[04:29] <fords> ...after which point, i think i'm going to install it on my own laptop.  it kicks ass.
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: no!
[04:29] <BrittMan914> how do you say ubuntu
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's like oooh-booh-tooh?
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: where do I get them?
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: you can install almost all the debian packages from universe or multiverse
[04:29] <BrittMan914> oh
[04:29] <gholen> error | libid3tag0 but it is not installable
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: yes (pronounciation)
[04:30] <BrittMan914> ubuntu rocks
[04:30] <MasterYoda> jdub: is that like a copy of the debian repo?
[04:30] <BrittMan914> I love it
[04:30] <lemsx1> BrittMan914, ;-) that seems to be the trend
[04:30] <jdub> dopey: none, i'm having a lot of trouble sleeping in one session atm.
[04:30] <jdub> MasterYoda: no, it's fully rebuilt for ubuntu
[04:30] <MasterYoda> jdub: so this is a repo of debian packages tailored for ubuntu
[04:31] <MasterYoda> jdub: so are all of debian's packages in there?
[04:31] <Nafallo> from the FAQ, question 7.
[04:31] <Nafallo> Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".
[04:31] <jdub> MasterYoda: main is tailored for ubuntu, universe and multiverse are built against ubuntu (and sometimes patched/updated for fixes)
[04:31] <jdub> MasterYoda: as much as will build -> there's lots of stuff about this on the website, btw
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: is it just another apt source in practice, but you guys call it the multiverse?
[04:32] <lemsx1> bbl
[04:32] <gwildor_> MasterYoda, there is main, universe, and multiverse
[04:32] <netmonk> Nafallo: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d or /usr/share/sysvint/update-rc.d, and how?
[04:32] <jdub> MasterYoda: it's the multiverse component
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: yeah I have seen the site, I mentions this stuff but no specfics on exactly what it is
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's an apt source right?
[04:32] <Nafallo> netmonk: sudo update-rc.d
[04:33] <Nafallo> netmonk: it will print incstructions :-)
[04:33] <Nafallo> s/c//
[04:33] <jdub> MasterYoda: it's a component. like main, contrib and non-free in debian, we have main, restricted, universe and multiverse.
[04:33] <netmonk> Nafallo, 10x again ;)
[04:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:33] <LinuxJones> netmonk, here's a decent tutorial >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: so like deb http://http.us.ubuntulinux.org/ warty main restricted univers multiverse...
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: something like that?
[04:34] <jdub> MasterYoda: look at your sources.list, dude!
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: I use debian dude..
[04:34] <wm_eddie> yay firefoxs 1.0
[04:34] <netmonk> 10x LinuxJones
[04:34] <Despair> wm_eddie: boo.
[04:34] <Nafallo> jdub: hi there :-). you might now how much info we want on those HardwareSupport wikipages?
[04:35] <Nafallo> jdub: just rare things or the obvious to?
[04:35] <MasterYoda> jdub: I understand ubuntu contributes fixes back to the debian project, are there steps being taken to keep collobration between the projects high?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: lots of info on the website - just go do some searching and you will find...
[04:35] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: I have read lots of stuff on the website, now I am asking you guys about stuff I found slightly less clear
[04:36] <jdub> Nafallo: dunno :)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: OK - I meant the sources are listed in various places on the site
[04:36] <Nafallo> jdub: well, then I add all my hardware later ;-)
[04:36] <Nafallo> jdub: and sees what happens :-P.
[04:36] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: ahh ok
[04:36] <jdub> MasterYoda: we're a branch of sid, and we send fixes back - that's pretty close collaboration.
[04:37] <MasterYoda> jdub: sounds good
[04:37] <MasterYoda> so can one switch from debian to ubuntu without a reinstall?
[04:37] <gholen> okej, now, I'll start the synaptic
[04:37] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: I've done it ;-)
[04:37] <Treenaks> MasterYoda: in theory: yes, but it's not recommended or supported
[04:37] <MasterYoda> Nafallo: how is it done?
[04:37] <gholen> Hey!
[04:37] <jdub> MasterYoda: not recommended.
[04:37] <Elwood> MasterYoda,  change sources.list
[04:37] <mxpxpod> are there any plans to do a powerpc live cd?
[04:38] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: sed sources.list and manually fix every package installed in aptitude. that's how I do it anyway :-)
[04:38] <MasterYoda> Elwood: and that's it?  is there any special apt_preferences stuff I have to add so apt chooses packages from ubuntu?
[04:38] <jdub> mxpxpod: not strong plans, but if you want to help out...
[04:38] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: I can dcc you a default sources.list if you are interested - got it from someone I was helping the other day
[04:38] <mxpxpod> jdub: if I had more time, I would
[04:38] <gholen> I have to ask, is there anyone in here that kan talk and write in swedish
[04:38] <mxpxpod> jdub: or if I was hired by canonical......
[04:39] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: that's ok, im not going to try it right now, I will set up a fresh system first to play around with it before I try to convert
[04:39] <Nafallo> gholen: if you haden't left I would have told you ;-).
[04:39] <wm_eddie> so is firefox 1.0 going in to 4.10?
[04:39] <Nafallo> gholen: *nickar* == *nods*
[04:39] <MasterYoda> hey why did ubuntu start a 4 for it's version numbers?
[04:40] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: no
[04:40] <Nafallo> wm_eddie: probably not :-)
[04:40] <Mithrandir> MasterYoda: 4.10 == 2004-10, year-month.
[04:40] <gholen> Nafallo : bra, jag har trubbel som fan
[04:40] <wm_eddie> aww
[04:40] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: answer is on the FAQ :-P
[04:40] <Nafallo> gholen: /msg
[04:41] <wm_eddie> I'm going to have to upgrade manually. if I want the new industrial theme...
[04:41] <MasterYoda> how do you all abbreviate ubuntu?
[04:42] <gwildor_> ubuntu
[04:42] <wm_eddie> and the one that I have is seriously broken when it comes to downloading or playing some file types.
[04:42] <gwildor_> ubntu
[04:42] <wm_eddie> ubuntu...
[04:42] <jdub> MasterYoda: six letters is not a stretch for most of us... :-)
[04:43] <MasterYoda> no ub or anything? no ubt  or ubo or anything...
[04:43] <gwildor_> hahaha
[04:43] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu is relatively sort when compared to Fedora Core #
[04:43] <MasterYoda> it's just not a conventional name, I will have to get used to typing it... ubuntu... ubuntu....
[04:43] <MasterYoda> FC2
[04:43] <MasterYoda> but yeah other than that ubuntu owns fedora...
[04:43] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, have you tried FC3 ?
[04:43] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: no not really
[04:44] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: never installed it, we have some customers using it though
[04:44] <wm_eddie> It's not so much that it owns fedora as it's a different approach to a distro.  And I like it.
[04:44] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, it's getting fairly good review
[04:44] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, I jsut find it very bogged down on the desktop
[04:44] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: yeah, im sure it is... only cause peeps like to compare it to redhat, which it owns
[04:45] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: if you ask me (most people don't) apt is much better than yum and debian is much eaiser to maintain than fedora
[04:45] <jdub> FC3 is pretty rad.
[04:46] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, I have always despised rpm's even if you can use apt or yum with them :D
[04:46] <joolz> MasterYoda: in my experience FC2 with apt (NOT yum) was good
[04:46] <wm_eddie> I don't know U just isn't enough.
[04:46] <rom1> [help]  I'm stuck trying to install the new pwc module under ubuntu. Anyone has a clue?
[04:47] <wm_eddie> maybe Ubntu...
[04:47] <LinuxJones> It would be nice to have the redhat-config-tools ported to Debian/Ubuntu though :)
[04:47] <Despair> "Sit, Ubu, sit!"
[04:47] <joolz> wm_eddie: BNT :)
[04:47] <MasterYoda> joolz: I never switched to FC because being a debian user I did not feel the need...
[04:47] <sid77> cristian, great machine name ;)
[04:47] <wm_eddie> joolz: you need at least one u in there.
[04:48] <joolz> MasterYoda: neither did I, it was the other way round :)
[04:48] <rom1> When I try to compile the module, it displays /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build: no such file or directory
[04:48] <cristian> sid77, thanks ;)
[04:48] <MasterYoda> joolz: so why do you use ubu then?
[04:50] <joolz> partly curiosiry, partly because I run debian (stable) on servers and want some more uniformity and partly because FC was very big and very slow
[04:50] <wm_eddie> Man I need to do a dist-upgrade on my server but I'm afraid.
[04:50] <MasterYoda> joolz: so do you like ubu better then FC?
[04:50] <Unfun> wm_eddie never be afraid?
[04:51] <wm_eddie> since it's a UML server, and I can't mess too much with kernel...
[04:51] <joolz> MasterYoda: so far, yes. There are some glitches (no mplayer, rhythmbox not supporting wavs). A bit immature, but i like it
[04:51] <edd> mjg59: so S3 works nice with that kernel. is there anything i need to do specially to get swusp functioning?
[04:52] <joolz> and i feel confident that these glitches will be solved fast
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: rhythmbox does not do wavs?  Guess I never tried to play any...
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: maybe you don't have the right gstreamer plugin installed
[04:52] <Elwood> how was to put a package in hold?
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: so why not debian then?
[04:52] <wm_eddie> The only problems I'm having with ubuntu is firefox.
[04:52] <mjg59> edd: You need to add a resume line to your kernel command line options
[04:52] <mjg59> After that, just hitting the power button should suspend
[04:53] <wm_eddie> and no mplayer, but I don't use it too much (only where there's something totem can't play.)
[04:53] <joolz> MasterYoda: on the desktop i want new features more then stability
[04:53] <MasterYoda> joolz: you ever tried debian unstable?
[04:53] <wm_eddie> joolz: Then you want Debian unstable.
[04:53] <MasterYoda> joolz: it's not as unstable as it sounds...
[04:53] <edd> mjg59: ok, done that but no luck. i'll look harder..
[04:54] <joolz> MasterYoda: I know, but is it a better choice than BNT? :)
[04:54] <wm_eddie> MasterYoda: I actually add debian unstable to my apt repositry temporarily for some things (Like Alexandria)
[04:54] <MasterYoda> joolz: in fact as you know its where ubu came from, but I see where you are coming from though
[04:55] <joolz> MasterYoda: good. And I see where i'm going to... Home :-) (5 o clock here)
[04:55] <joolz> cu guys later
[04:55] <Deviled> cu..
[04:55] <gwildor_> joolz, lucky you, ive still got 6 hours
[04:56] <wm_eddie> I have two tests today!
[04:56] <gwildor_> yay
[04:56] <wm_eddie> Well one and a half.    It's all pretty much, "play compiler"
[04:58] <Deviled> gl then ;)
[04:59] <wm_eddie> I'll need it for the discrete math test...
[04:59] <gruberman> Oh god I hate my router :/
[04:59] <Deviled> but i'm happy to write math tomorrow :D
[05:01] <wm_eddie> If it wasn't for Ubuntu I'd be using Novell linux right now.
[05:01] <rom1> [help]  Anyone can tell me how to get the /build directory and contents in the /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/ dir ? thx!
[05:01] <rom1> I need to build a module
[05:01] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, how is that novell stuff?
[05:02] <wm_eddie> It's pretty much ximian desktop.  on SuSe.
[05:02] <fords> thanks all
[05:02] <fords> it's not working, but i've got some direction now.  i'll be  back some day...
[05:02] <edd> mjg59: your kernel doesn't want to play well with vga16fb in the initrd (the <IP_ADDRESS> did) any ideas?
[05:03] <edd> mjg59: i also get a slew of "ERROR: removing 'module': Device or resource busy" at the beginning of the boot
[05:06] <rom1> [help]  Using synaptic I only see kernel-headers up to 2.6.7. My kernel 2.6.8 Any ideas?
[05:06] <Deviled> argh, why does skype use the qt lib :/
[05:07] <wm_eddie> Deviled: Perhaps it uses it for Windows?
[05:07] <edd> mjg59: modprobing fbcon fixes the console issue, tho i don't know why it differs between yr kernel and the previous one
[05:07] <Deviled> no, there's a linux version, and this one uses qt
[05:07] <mjg59> edd: Hrm. Afraid not - maybe it just insmods it?
[05:08] <mjg59> Yeah, the rmmod stuff is because you can't unload IDE modules in 2.6.9
[05:08] <wm_eddie> Deviled: yeah, but Maybe they like the overpriced cross-platfromness of Qt that way they only have to use one GUI.
[05:09] <gwildor_> they coulda used gtk
[05:10] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: I'm not sure but I think Qt has better win32 support (since it's more like win32)
[05:10] <gwildor_> oh
[05:10] <gwildor_> ok then
[05:10] <pisuke> I don't know why scribus was running superb in slackware and in ubutun stinks.
[05:11] <Deviled> more like win32? do you've user skype on win32 sys? this gui is confusing
[05:11] <Deviled> *used
[05:11] <wm_eddie> I've never used skype.
[05:11] <wm_eddie> or windows much.
[05:11] <gwildor_> skype=voip?
[05:11] <Deviled> yeah
[05:12] <gwildor_> never used windows much?, how old are you?
[05:12] <georgia> lo
[05:12] <Deviled> lol
[05:12] <andril> hello all -again
[05:12] <wm_eddie> Well I used to use Windows, but I don't use it much anymore.
[05:13] <gwildor_> kk
[05:13] <gwildor_> makes mor sence now
[05:13] <wm_eddie> like maybe once every couple of months to keep it up to date with Windows Update...
[05:13] <gwildor_> dual boot?
[05:14] <wm_eddie> Yeah, I have a 20 gig partition on my second hard drive with XP on it.
[05:14] <gwildor_> I teach a class on cumputer upgrade and maintenance based on windows, so I have to keep up with it
[05:14] <wm_eddie> I like OS X a little better than Windows though :)
[05:14] <gwildor_> well, DUH!
[05:15] <Nafallo> *s*
[05:17] <wm_eddie> But after all is said and done, OS X is just a pretty half-assed Unix with a very polished desktop.
[05:18] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, I don't use the *nix part, as a desktop it is WODERFUL, well I didn't use the *nix part, havent used osX in some years (2 I think)
[05:18] <gwildor_> <-----osX beta tester
[05:18] <rom1> Need help installing latest kernel headers(2.6.8) Anyone knows how to do it?
[05:19] <wm_eddie> rom1: have you tried just installing the 2.6.7 headers?
[05:19] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: I didn't like 10.2's that much.
[05:19] <gwildor_> what are kernal headers, what do they do/for, short answer
[05:20] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: They are like kernel-dev (like libgtk2-dev)
[05:20] <rom1> gwildor: Used to compile modules among other uses
[05:20] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, it happens, apple cant be perfect all the time
[05:21] <gwildor_> so a noob need not be concerned with kernal headers
[05:21] <rom1> gwildor > I'm trying to build a module from source.