[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[03:35] <jjesse> hey DarkwingDuck
[03:35] <jjesse> how are things?
[11:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now I remember what I wanted to ask ... how do you like wordpress.com ... I am thinking about switching, blogger is annoying me quite a bit
[11:58]  * Sput mostly notices people bitching about wordpress
[11:58]  * Tm_T runs his own instance of wordpress, up to me how well it works and behaves
[12:02]  * shadeslayer notices his karma is in constant flux @ lp
[12:03] <shadeslayer> wow.. apparently lp also deducts karma if you are idle ><
[12:04] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: sure
[12:13]  * Sput wonders how Application Indicators and the new crossdesktop StatusNotifier spec are supposed to work together
[12:13] <ulysses> welcome
[12:13] <danimo> fabo: ping?
[12:13] <Sput> somehow it seems stupid to have to support two very similar things in your app
[12:13] <danimo> any other Qt package maintainer around?
[12:14] <ulysses> I found a bug in ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu-welcome, it says "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 9.10, the Karmic Koala!"
[12:14] <ulysses> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu-welcome/hu/2/+translate
[12:22] <fabo> danimo: pong
[12:23] <danimo> fabo: hey
[12:23] <danimo> fabo: I am just testing the qt-sdk metapackage and all that comes with it
[12:23] <danimo> fabo: I noticed that the icons of the Qt tools still are the old ones (e.g. pre-Nokia)
[12:24] <danimo> fabo: also, Qt Creator is only 1.3.0 instead of 1.3.1
[12:26] <fabo> danimo: Qt Creator 1.3.1 is in debian experimental, and should go soon to unstable. a sync will be needed. everything should be up-to-date.
[12:27] <fabo> danimo: for deprecated icons, i'll take a look and fix.
[12:27] <danimo> fabo: is the qt-sdk package also in debian?
[12:28] <fabo> no, it isn't but easily fixable.
[12:28]  * fabo add the tasks to his todo and will take care of both side (debian/ubuntu).
[12:29] <danimo> fabo: cool
[12:29] <danimo> fabo: also, creator seems to start up rather slow, but I need to investigate if that is a genuine ubuntu/debian problem
[12:29] <danimo> (package-wise)
[12:32] <fabo> i doubt about a package issue
[12:33] <danimo> fabo: would be interesting to see what causes it
[12:33] <danimo> fabo: I remember complaints about slow startup
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I like it. You can edit posts without sending them to the front page, it has good spam protection, and I like the interface better
[13:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kthx
[13:12] <apachelogger> fabo: icon issue is coming from outdated xpms I think
[13:17] <fabo> apachelogger: ot - qtcurve uploaded
[13:17] <apachelogger> thx :)
[13:44] <shadeslayer> hey anyone want to look at : libxcb1-dev
[13:44] <shadeslayer> um wait
[13:44] <shadeslayer> please look at  : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39853218/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.recorditnow_0.7%2Bgit20100227-0ubuntu0~ppa4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:45] <shadeslayer> i have added libfixes as a build dep ( it pulls in libfixes3-dev automatically ) but still fails to compie
[13:45] <shadeslayer> *compile
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: should be libxfixes-dev
[13:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: its in the build log..
[13:48] <shadeslayer> like it did install it
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> you said libfixes3-dev
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> anyway, gotta go. bbl
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), cmake, cdbs, ffmpeg, mencoder, libjoschy-dev, kdelibs5-dev, libqt4-dev, libxfixes-dev, pkg-kde-tools
[13:48] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> the log also complains about pkg-config not being present. that may be needed to find it or something
[13:50] <shadeslayer> hmm but i did add that too
[13:50] <shadeslayer> pkg-config-kde
[13:51] <shadeslayer> um.. make that pkg-kde-tools
[13:51] <shadeslayer> or is that a different build dep?
[13:54] <allee-k_> Riddell: important nepomuksearch fix: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/debdiff_kubuntu_88_nepomuksearch_uds-url.patch
[13:54] <allee-k_> Riddell: without it and tags created in 4.3 nepomuksearch is mostly unusable in dolphin
[13:55] <allee-k_> Riddell: in 4.4 is greatly enhance usability because standard filepath are used and not weird nepomuk ids.
[14:05] <shadeslayer> wow... it still fails to build : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39854860/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.recorditnow_0.7%2Bgit20100227-0ubuntu0~ppa5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:17] <apachelogger> omg
[14:17] <apachelogger> Sput: quassel must get support for kde emoticons ASAP!
[14:17] <apachelogger> my changelog entry of the day:
[14:17] <apachelogger>   * Make <3 the default emoticon string for the heart emoticon (previous was (L))
[14:18] <apachelogger> that is worth nothing if quassel does not support kde emoticons :(
[14:18] <apachelogger> konvi does, just so youknow :'(
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: new kds uploaded
[14:24] <apachelogger> hm
[14:24] <apachelogger> suffix vs. prefix
[14:25] <shadeslayer> heh..choqok just had to have svn updates before my session :|
[14:25] <shadeslayer> and now it fails to build
[14:26] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: hum?
[14:26] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i was going to use choqok as my demo package for PPA's
[14:27] <shadeslayer> and now it doesnt build :|
[14:27] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: you mean current svn?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yes
[14:27] <shadeslayer> hmm maybe i could use the earlier release
[14:27] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: with KDE 4.4.0 ?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yes
[14:28] <Tm_T> hummm
[14:28] <Tm_T> did you try with clean build-dir?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i deleted the whole build dir ;)
[14:29] <Tm_T> that's clean then
[14:29] <shadeslayer> i also deleted the dir where make stops the build and then did svn up
[14:29] <shadeslayer> still fails
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://pastebin.ca/1813443
[14:29] <Tm_T> let's see what happens here, what's the actual error?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: want the complete build log?
[14:31] <Tm_T> no, that's enough
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:33] <Tm_T> weird that it builds just fine here
[14:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:34] <shadeslayer> maybe i should download the svn again
[14:34] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: do "svn diff" in that tree to see if there's local modificatinos
[14:34] <Tm_T> ions
[14:35] <shadeslayer> apparently yes
[14:35] <shadeslayer> but i didnt do them :(
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ><
[14:36] <Tm_T> you use separate build-dir, right?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> thats the patch the dev sent me to get a better debug output
[14:36] <Tm_T> awww
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: how do i rebase the checkout?
[14:37] <Tm_T> svn? just remove the files locally and "svn up" ?
[14:37] <Tm_T> that's how I do it
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok worked,can you also help me with this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39855619/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.recorditnow_0.7%2Bgit20100227-0ubuntu0~ppa6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:45] <Tm_T> you need package that contains "/usr/include/X11/extensions/shape.h" as build-dependency?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yeah found it
[14:50] <allee-k_> Riddell: reported nepomuksearch trouble + fix on launchpad too: bug #529021
[14:50] <shadeslayer> libxext-dev
[15:52] <Sput> apachelogger: use your compose key properly! comp + <3 is ♥
[15:52] <Sput> problem solved
[15:58] <sithlord48> how do i store the output of a program as a var in a sh script ? i seam to not be doing it correctly
[15:59] <sithlord48> i am trying to detect platform in a script by using uname -m
[16:00] <sithlord48> sput, what is my comp key ??? for those
[16:00] <Sput> dunno, I configured my capslock key to be compose
[16:00] <Sput> I don't ever need capslock
[16:00] <sithlord48> now you just put in the ascii number you want ?
[16:00] <Sput> it's easy to do with KDE, in the keyboard settings there's an option
[16:01] <Sput> it's not ascii, it's other sequences, often easy to remember
[16:01] <Sput> such as <3 for ♥, or CCCP for ☭
[16:01] <Sput> (and of course you can compose all sorts of accented letters, not only fun symbols)
[16:01] <sithlord48> input actions ?
[16:01] <Sput> real smilies: ☺ entered as comp + :)
[16:02] <Sput> I think it's in keyboard layout
[16:02] <Sput> (advanced)
[16:02] <Sput> xkb options or something
[16:02] <sithlord48> in system settings ?
[16:03] <sithlord48> ah i found it
[16:49] <binarylooks> ubutnuone-client-kde does not start in lucid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/385169/ Any ideas?
[16:51] <binarylooks> Hmmm, my dbus is borken. will reboot
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> binarylooks: you get ubuntuone working?
[17:22] <binarylooks> DarkwingDuck: no, apacheloggers client does not want to connect
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm... I'll fire up the ol' VM
[17:23] <binarylooks> DarkwingDuck: thanks, i installed the gnome client, but i cannot start it from the konsole
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> gimme a few
[17:24] <binarylooks> DarkwingDuck: no rush
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm about to boot my netbook...
[17:25] <binarylooks>  srconds yay, plus 20 seconds kde login :-(
[17:25] <binarylooks> 10 srconds yay, plus 20 seconds kde login :-(
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> No, like toss it out the friggen window
[17:26] <DarkwingDuck> Touchscreen works in 9.10 but fails in Lucid
[17:27] <binarylooks> I get the following error
[17:27] <binarylooks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/385186/
[17:28] <binarylooks> its strange that I have the ubuntu one gnome package installed but that I cannot find the executable to start from konsole
[17:29] <DarkwingDuck> hmm...
[17:29] <Tm_T> binarylooks: it's applet
[17:29] <binarylooks> you mean ubuntuone-gnome-applet?
[17:30] <Tm_T> cannot remember the name
[17:30] <binarylooks> ubuntu <TAB> gives me :ubuntu-bug             ubuntuone-auth         ubuntuone-client-kde   ubuntuone-preferences  ubuntu-support-status
[17:30] <Tm_T> binarylooks: bah, what was the package name?
[17:31] <binarylooks> ubuntuone-client - Ubuntu One client
[17:31] <binarylooks> ubuntuone-client-gnome - Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[17:31] <binarylooks> ubuntuone-client-tools - Ubuntu One client tools
[17:31] <binarylooks> ubuntuone-client-kde - Ubuntu One client for KDE
[17:32] <Tm_T> binarylooks: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/i386/ubuntuone-client-gnome/filelist
[17:33] <binarylooks> Tm_T: I'm on lucid. I remember that it worked in karmic with the gnome client
[17:33] <Tm_T> binarylooks: you are right, executable is gone in lucid, erm
[17:35] <binarylooks> Tm_T: Uff. I thaught I was crazy
[17:35] <Tm_T> binarylooks: I have no idea, try asking in #ubuntuone (:
[17:36] <binarylooks> Tm_T: I did yesterday and today. no answer- I think I have to catch Riddell or apachelogger next week
[17:36] <DarkwingDuck> gimme a few and I'll do some digging on my VM
[17:36] <binarylooks> DarkwingDuck: ok, the kde client is only in apacheloggers PPA
[17:36] <DarkwingDuck> Actually, I was thnking of upgrading my sys to Lucid anyway.
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> I know ;)
[17:37] <binarylooks> its rocksolid
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah I know.
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> Help in bugging
[17:49] <verbalshadow> does gmail work better with IMAP or Disconnected IMAP in Kmail
[17:52] <binarylooks> DarkwingDuck: bug 529113
[17:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: the cache removal is still not applied?
[17:59] <apachelogger> to cd image building
[18:02] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks binarylooks
[18:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[18:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: openoffice.org-core still depends on gstreamer foo
[18:10] <apachelogger> hm
[18:11] <apachelogger> that stuff doesnt seem to be new
[18:11] <apachelogger> was already there in karmic
[18:11] <maco2> sebas: ping? im noticing plasma widgets jumping about of their own volition between the time it takes me to put them where i want them and get my mouse to the "LOCK!" button
[18:11] <Tm_T> maco2: hmm, do you change plasma theme?
[18:13] <maco2> Tm_T: nope
[18:14] <maco2> my folderview widget refuses to not be behind the panel (which i have on top).  i try to place it about 30px from top edge of screen and it keeps jumping to only about 10px from edge of screen
[18:14] <maco2> and my picture frame plasmoids... one of them likes to jump 150px up, another 150px pixels to the right...and the 2 others just jump about 20px up and to the right
[18:27] <Tm_T> maco2: sounds, err, fun
[18:29] <Quintasan> HNGH
[18:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: this ain't good, can you try compiling kffmpegthumbnailer from lucid repo with pbuilder?
[18:42] <apachelogger> I do not have no pbuilder for lucid I think
[18:43]  * apachelogger sshs home
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> sudo pbuilder build kde-style-qtcurve_1.1.1-1ubuntu1.dsc --logfile ~/kde-style-qtcurve.log
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> ^didn't give me a log. :(
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> anybody know why?
[18:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is why you should have a proper pbuilderrc :P
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> oha, it says it automatically makes logs in pbuilderrc
[18:44] <apachelogger> good pbuilderrc that is
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, so that's what those .build files are
[18:45]  * Quintasan got himself in a pretty deep shi-
[18:45]  * JontheEchidna files FFe for kde-style-qtcurve
[18:45] <Quintasan> :S
[18:45] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:46] <apachelogger> if I had a proper machine around all that pbuilding would be way faster
[18:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Quintasan: shouldnt you be doing kde 4.4.1?
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> shit, forgot about that
[18:47] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: same goes for you :P Bug #526002
[18:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pbuild started
[18:47] <Quintasan> :O
[18:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you go do 4.4.1 :P
[18:47] <apachelogger> more important
[18:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when pbuilding kffmpeg I get -> http://pastebin.ca/1813927
[18:48] <Quintasan> :O
[18:48] <apachelogger> I know
[18:48] <Quintasan> so, like what causes this?
[18:49] <apachelogger> go fix your icecream :P
[18:49] <apachelogger> e.g. remove the icecc hook from your pbuilder hooks
[18:49] <Quintasan> or make that crappy second computer work but I'm too lazy now to do it
[18:49] <apachelogger> ah that is outside
[18:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go remove icecc*
[18:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no, you have a  loop :P
[18:50] <apachelogger> ICECC[22229] 19:30:59: icecream seems to have invoked itself recursively!
[18:50] <apachelogger> that only happens when the icecc wrappers again try to call the icecc wrappers AFAIK
[18:50] <Quintasan> lol I ain't got icee in my .pbuilder-hooks
[18:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah, it is your system
[18:50] <apachelogger> I thought that was already in pbuilder :P
[18:50] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go find some archive admin to sort the libjpeg mess
[18:51] <apachelogger> pitti might be around
[18:52] <Quintasan> pitti jest niedostępny: long weekend, away from any computer
[18:52] <Quintasan> :/
[18:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ask in ubuntu-devel
[18:52] <apachelogger> and while you are waiting for an archive admin, go package 4.4.1 :P
[18:52]  * apachelogger goes back to taxes on income and prepares for improved madness
[19:08] <Quintasan> great, ubuntu-devel is sleeping :S
[19:21] <Quintasan> oh lol apachelogger, I have removed icecc and it works :O
[19:21] <apachelogger> oh magic
[19:21]  * Quintasan puts icecc on Todo
[19:22]  * Quintasan thinks Todo is reaaaly too long
[19:25] <ghostcube> o/
[19:25] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: nice lesson :)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: wow really?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: all thanks to apachelogger ;)
[19:26] <ghostcube> i dont know much about packaging will read this in my vbacklogs :)
[19:26] <ghostcube> bt looked good i learned some things
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: oh read this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/385259/
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: i already had most of i prepared earlier...
[19:26]  * Quintasan is happy to notice our Todo list for Lucid is almost entirely green
[19:27] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[19:27] <apachelogger> all cookies to me!
[19:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: groupie?
[19:27] <apachelogger> groupies ftw!
[19:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:27] <shadeslayer> im already one ;)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> wayyy back.. when you applied for your membership
[19:27] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you know, that group still looks boring
[19:27] <shadeslayer> i think :P
[19:27] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:28] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger, Quintasan
[19:28] <apachelogger> ahoy _Groo_
[19:28] <Quintasan> _Groo_: \o
[19:28]  * shadeslayer feels ignored
[19:28] <Quintasan> lol
[19:28]  * apachelogger sends out invitation for sysadmin day
[19:28] <ghostcube> apachelogger: you have groopies rofl
[19:28] <ghostcube> :D
[19:28] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:28] <shadeslayer> 2009-06-30
[19:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i have kchmviewer for kde4 compiled and ready for quite some time, lucid still has the kde3 version, should i make a [make-package] amd send to revu?
[19:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 7!
[19:29] <apachelogger> last friday of july it is
[19:29] <_Groo_> hi shadeslayer ¬¬ no hard feelings :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:29] <apachelogger> _Groo_: [needs-packaging] you mean, yes I suppose that would be a good idea :)
[19:29] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ehehehe :)
[19:29] <Quintasan> WTF
[19:30] <apachelogger> _Groo_: mind that you will have to get a feature freeze exception once it is reviewed though
[19:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok gonna do my usual package scrubbing to please the MOTU gods.. ill let you know when its uplodaded to revu
[19:30] <apachelogger> thx
[19:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lucid is in freeze already??? but its not beta yet..
[19:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/Pv6ed9EN
[19:30] <Quintasan> wut
[19:31] <apachelogger> _Groo_: lts goes into feature freeze earlier I think
[19:31] <apachelogger> something like that
[19:31] <apachelogger> _Groo_: only 2 months left anyway
[19:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger:  wait, this is whole log, scroll down to the bottom please
[19:31] <apachelogger> I suppose a 2 months feature freeze isnt half bad
[19:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, cause if i remember correctly ubuntu usually enter feature freeze when the first beta is released
[19:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and since we are in ahlpha 3 i thought i still had time to destroyy.. heerr send some more packages
[19:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what do you do with your system????
[19:32] <Quintasan> nothing
[19:32]  * apachelogger also shudders over ccache
[19:32] <Quintasan> really
[19:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is the first time I see that kind of error
[19:32] <Quintasan> same here
[19:32] <apachelogger> in my whole life
[19:32] <apachelogger> and I am like old
[19:33] <apachelogger> srsly old
[19:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: can you please send me the files by mail?
[19:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: debian/ dir?
[19:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nah, dsc, diff and orig
[19:35] <apachelogger> one of those must have some problem
[19:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you use pdebuild?
[19:35] <apachelogger> or whatever the cmd is called
[19:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: debuild and the pdebuildf
[19:35] <Quintasan> pdebuild*
[19:35] <apachelogger> now that is redundant IMHO
[19:35] <Quintasan> just pdebuild?
[19:35] <apachelogger> no
[19:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can we bump the standards version for packages in debian?
[19:35] <apachelogger> debuild and invoke pbuilder
[19:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: unless you are sure that pdebuild will always do the appropriate things
[19:36] <Quintasan> oh awesome
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: debian developers can
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: debuild -S -sa -k<mykey> throws same error :S
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for packages in a PPA too?
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we could too, but that just increases the delta to debian so it is considered bad practise
[19:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: delta?
[19:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: -k is not necessary if your name and mail in changelog matches the one of your kye btw
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: difference
[19:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where is my mail :P
[19:38]  * apachelogger should be learning omg
[19:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sent
[19:40] <apachelogger> ah!
[19:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: btw how do you manage your pbuilder configs? I use the one from wiki but it's a pita to create aliases for each pdebuild
[19:40] <Quintasan> :S
[19:41] <apachelogger> in the name of lord vader!!
[19:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go less *diff.gz
[19:41] <apachelogger> see 4th line
[19:41] <_Groo_> btw are you guys planning to upgrade to koffice 2.2 before the lucid release? for what im reading in the devs blog it should be a very solid release
[19:41] <apachelogger> that occurs for every file, and that is the 1 hunk that fails
[19:41] <apachelogger> because it does not belong there
[19:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I do not use pdebuild, I use the evne more PITA approach of manually copying the configs around :P
[19:42]  * apachelogger is a control freak in case you did not notice
[19:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: soo how the hell you test build then?
[19:42] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no, we are in feature freeze
[19:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: manually
[19:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: he compiles in his brain!
[19:42] <Quintasan> lol how the hell that line got there?
[19:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: argh :( 2.2 will be much more bug free then 2.1.1 :(
[19:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dpkg-buildpackage, then lintian, then possibly copying a pbuilderrc into palce, then pbuilder
[19:43] <apachelogger> _Groo_: so it will be available in -backports and/or a PPA
[19:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: maybe you have a .pc in your dir
[19:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how did you build that source anyway?
[19:44] <Quintasan> not possible
[19:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bzr builddeb?
[19:44] <Quintasan> wait
[19:44] <Quintasan> scp'd kdebase from ktown -> changed to tar.gz -> unpacked -> copied debian/ from bzr -> changed changelog -> debuild -> pdebuild
[19:45] <Quintasan> I guess I'm doing it wrong then
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: one could say that ;)
[19:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thats what i meant... to send to backports, its the usual [need-packaging]->revu->please the motu gods?
[19:45]  * Quintasan notes noone really mentioned how we should do those things
[19:45] <apachelogger> from the main branch dir
[19:45] <apachelogger> you'd place the tar.gz in ../build-area
[19:45] <apachelogger> cd debian; bzr builddeb -S
[19:46] <apachelogger> that will build the source in ../../build-area
[19:46] <apachelogger> form that you can run pbuilder then
[19:46] <apachelogger> s/from/with
[19:46] <apachelogger> _Groo_: for koffice 2.2?
[19:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well i guess JontheEchidna will be the guy for 2.2, im just curious
[19:48] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no... that is: get koffice 2.2 into lucid+1 by any means, ensure it works on lucid, backport to PPA, if we are sure it is qualified ask for backport
[19:48] <apachelogger> nothing to do with revu
[19:48]  * apachelogger thinks that revu would explode with such a large tarball anyway ;)
[19:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahh revu is for little things then?
[19:49] <apachelogger> no, usually for new packages only
[19:49] <apachelogger> though I for one also like to have package updates there
[19:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: isnt 2.2 a new package? :D
[19:49] <apachelogger> but for the large parts of KDE we usually just work with the packaging branches
[19:49] <apachelogger> then someone reviews the changes to the packaging and sponsors
[19:49] <apachelogger> _Groo_: it is an upgrade
[19:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah ok :) im curious how things work behind the scenes
[19:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ya sure it should be in a dir called build-area or I have to set this somewhere?
[19:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I am not sure, this changed recently, earlier you would have it in the branch dir itself
[19:51] <apachelogger> maybe try that
[19:51] <apachelogger> before that it was $branchdir/tarballs or something
[19:51] <apachelogger> not very presistent TBH
[19:51] <Quintasan> oh
[19:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you backport stuff exactly from lucid? backport the bazaar branch?
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> koffice won't even release their RCs for 2.2 until after we release: http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KOffice/2.2/Release_Plan
[19:52] <shadeslayer> or the git/svn one
[19:52] <Quintasan> ARGH
[19:52] <Quintasan> dpkg-source: error: patch -s -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -b -z .dpkg-orig gave error exit status 1
[19:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: depends really ;)
[19:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: first question is, does the lucid packaging build without changes on karmic
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm and whats the second?
[19:53] <Quintasan> really, I must have fcked up my system somewhere
[19:53] <apachelogger> if so, then there are scripts and vodoo magic that automagically grabs the lucid package and modifies it to build for karmic
[19:53] <shadeslayer> ah ok,and what about ppa's?
[19:53] <apachelogger> if it is not a developer must make the appropriate changes to the packaging and upload manually
[19:54] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ppas do not have anything to do with ubuntu backports
[19:54] <apachelogger> that is a whole different paradigm of package deployment ;)
[19:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bzr status
[19:54]  * JontheEchidna eats paradigms for dinner
[19:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you had sent me the tar.gz may I would know :P
[19:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: opportunistic ones I hope
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> yus :D
[19:55] <Quintasan> modified: debian/{changelog,control}
[19:55] <Quintasan> seriously
[19:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh suppose i upload a git checkout of choqok and backport it to karmic,how would one accomplish that?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> logically.. like via flowchart :P
[19:55]  * _Groo_ is reviewing is kchviewer... btw, should i name it kchviewer-kde4 OR should i replace the kde3 version? i recommend replacing, since the new version has ki slave for kde4 etc..
[19:56] <_Groo_> kio*
[19:56] <apachelogger> hm
[19:56] <apachelogger> ssh hates me
[19:57] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:58] <Tm_T> brrrh, KDE3 colour schemes to KDE4, should I just do what I need manually or should I try to write converter
[19:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this is what i do for my PPA : tarball git dev version > build for lucid > upload to PPA > copy evrything from lucid folder to karmic folder > run : dch -D karmic -v version -b > Type no change backport > build for karmic > upload for karmic
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: kchmviewer?
[19:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: really, wtf I have reinstalled dpkg-dev and it didnt help
[19:59] <shadeslayer> btw debuild is in which package?
[19:59] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: we already have a kde4 version of that, although it's a bit out of date
[20:00] <apachelogger> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
[20:00] <apachelogger> Permission denied (publickey).
[20:00] <apachelogger> clearly I am locked out of ktown
[20:00] <apachelogger> how depressing -.-
[20:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: could you check that my key is in the authorized list
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: where's that?
[20:00] <apachelogger> ah
[20:00] <apachelogger> nvm
[20:00]  * apachelogger had a major typo right there
[20:00] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: oh.. yes you do.. i must be blind.. i could swear it wasnt there, lol
[20:01] <shadeslayer> gah...
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: an update to 5.1 would be nice, though you'd have to go through the freeze exception process now that we're in feature freeze: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[20:01] <shadeslayer> update-apt-xapi takes up 50 pc cpu
[20:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: there is a key that belongs to you
[20:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: can you please send me your tar.gz
[20:02] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I have way too many keys though :D
[20:02] <apachelogger> *fetching tar*
[20:02] <neversfelde> apachelogger: :)
[20:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ya want me to email it? it will take some time
[20:04] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: argh, cant i just make the package and send to revu? this bureacreucy is like pulling teeth (i have so many at work already)
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> after freeze things just get harder and harder :(
[20:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well
[20:05] <apachelogger> scp the tar.bz2
[20:05] <apachelogger> extract your tar.gz
[20:05] <apachelogger> extract the tar.bz2 to orig or something
[20:05] <apachelogger> then diff -urNad the two dirs
[20:06] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: if no one else gonna do it i can...
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: I can do it if you really don't want to
[20:07] <shadeslayer> urNad... hehehe :P
[20:07] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: lol im already building it for me... whats a PITA its the process lol
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:08] <apachelogger> that sure will be converted to opportunistic packaging
[20:08] <apachelogger> then feature freeze will be no moar
[20:08] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[20:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nothing
[20:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: a.k.a no output
[20:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: your system is the broken
[20:09] <Quintasan> wut
[20:09] <Quintasan> awesome
[20:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: try reinstalling devscripts
[20:09] <apachelogger> maybe that helps
[20:09] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: making it.. so i can brag i have THREE packages in kubuntu lol.. oohhh such power!!!
[20:09] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:12] <apachelogger> uh
[20:12] <apachelogger> Revu is of the slow kind today.
[20:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm nothing :/
[20:13] <apachelogger> plz commit and push, I'll try here
[20:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: free for a sec
[20:14] <shadeslayer> neversfelde and i want to talk ;)
[20:14] <neversfelde> ?
[20:14] <neversfelde> do we?
[20:14] <neversfelde> apachelogger: shall I change your ssh key on ktown?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: um #ubuntu-classroom-chat?
[20:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no, all good :)
[20:16] <neversfelde> k
[20:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde: just had a typo in the username
[20:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: pushed
[20:17] <_Groo_> will rekonq be available in the kubuntu cd?
[20:17] <apachelogger> no
[20:17] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: dont think so,or i would know ;)
[20:18] <shadeslayer> though its a shame really
[20:19] <Quintasan> I wonder why my system stared acting up
[20:20] <shadeslayer> oh btw theres a bug about partitions not mounting on lucid...
[20:20] <shadeslayer> via dolphin that is
[20:20] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: agreed.. rekonq is getting to become an awesome little browser :) im a big fan right from the start
[20:21] <_Groo_> hope rekonq will be the default for 10.10
[20:21] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: im the docs maintainer :P
[20:21] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: nice :)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> im slowly getting to development region in it :)
[20:22] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im just an evangelizer, bug reporter and private packager (aka i do packages for myslef, lol)
[20:22] <Quintasan> lol, did anyone here play Ace Attorney?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: every last one
[20:22] <_Groo_> Quintasan: for linux?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: oh and we wont be releasing 0.4 very soon...too many bugs right now :)
[20:22] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: did you see the NO GAMES gif?
[20:23]  * shadeslayer just plays World of Goo on linux
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: nope
[20:23] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/KnxLPq4H.html
[20:23]  * _Groo_ finished GOO twice already on linux
[20:23]  * _Groo_ with a open source radeon driver even
[20:24] <shadeslayer> i just started playing :P
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ha
[20:24]  * apachelogger is hunting OCDs in WoG
[20:24] <apachelogger> almost got spring through
[20:24] <shadeslayer> OCD's ?
[20:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yeah i know 0.4 is still a bit off but rekonq is coming along very nicely and FAST!!! is already the fastest/better browser in kde land, and dare i say in linux land (since chromium/firefox are other beasts all together)
[20:24] <shadeslayer> im at fall :P
[20:25]  * _Groo_ lost is WoW addiction three months 4 days 12 hours 40 min and 12 secs ago
[20:25] <Quintasan> WoW ;/
[20:25] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ah we have Andrea and the rekonq team to thank for that,were also looking forward to a change in name in 0.5
[20:25]  * Quintasan can't upload much due to his sis playing WoW
[20:25] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: why?? rekonq is so cute
[20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: save her!!! wow will suck her dry!!!
[20:26] <Quintasan> _Groo_: try pronouncing it
[20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i do, im portuguese.. rekonq is very easy to pronouce for me
[20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: re... konq...
[20:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Obsessive Completion Distinction
[20:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkoooooooooonnnnnqqqqqqqqqqqq
[20:27] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hehe.. dunno,thats the general sentiment amongst the kde community
[20:27] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: most are germ(ans)
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's special targets, where you mustnt loose any goos, or rescue an insane amount of them
[20:27] <apachelogger> mostly by thinking outside the box
[20:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oooh
[20:27] <apachelogger> quite the fun
[20:27] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: rekonq might be had for them.. but that way so akregator, or konqueror
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: is this out of date? http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-February/001140.html
[20:28]  * shadeslayer has a insanely slow connection
[20:28] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah actually,i found 2 new bugs since then
[20:28] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: showstopper ¬¬
[20:29] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah theyre showstoppers
[20:29] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ;)
[20:29] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: one of them concerns LP :)
[20:29] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: btw any idea when rekonq will have java support?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: the other is a FTP bug :P
[20:29] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: doesnt it already?
[20:30] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: dont think so.. never did..
[20:30] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well ive never tried out java so really dont know....
[20:30] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i believe youll have to port the java support from konqueror, which is much better then calling the plugin API.. konqueror calls the jvm directly
[20:30] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: and about when itll be possible... whenever Andrea marks it in the feature plan :P
[20:30] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yeah i was just curious
[20:31] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: most of our code is konqueror code with optimization
[20:31] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: you use the git version?
[20:32] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i know, like the adblock and the kget integration, thats why im sayong about getting the konqueror code for java
[20:32] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yeah, my own packages, just installed git from 15 min ago
[20:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:33] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: try this one out : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228613
[20:33] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yeah, no java
[20:33]  * _Groo_ tests
[20:34] <sithlord48> what is the best way (across linux distros) to detect hardware platform (ie. i386, amd64 , ppc)
[20:34] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: middle click on any link inside the ppa and youll get a crash
[20:34] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: working fine here
[20:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you checkout : https://launchpad.net/~scattino/+archive/ppa : it has the 4.3.95 kde binding
[20:35] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: middle cicked the hell out of the urls in the ppa and all over.. opened all of them without a peep
[20:35] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hmm.. keep trying to middle click 2-3 times...
[20:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: this works just fine here
[20:35] <shadeslayer> wierd
[20:35] <Quintasan> damn it
[20:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is your system all up-to-date?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> maybe the updates fixed it
[20:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah
[20:36] <apachelogger> then I do not know
[20:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: though one thing bugs me, apt tries to update blogilio for eternity
[20:36] <Quintasan> I remember updating it seven times today
[20:36] <apachelogger> neversfelde probably broke something ;)
[20:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: opened 33 tabs with midle click.. i believe qt 4.6.2 might have fixed it
[20:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: karmic?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> yeah probably fixed
[20:37] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah
[20:37] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im on lucid here
[20:37] <Quintasan> anyways, I'm pretty screwd if I can't compile at random
[20:37] <shadeslayer> didnt crash here too ;)
[20:37] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: try this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228660
[20:38] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: maybe this ones fixed in 4.6.2 ;)
[20:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: added my findings to bug 228613
[20:38] <_Groo_> let me see this one
[20:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: jon i did the package , should i send it to revu for MOTU spanking?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: package upgrades generally get bugs at LP
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> you'll have to do one anyways for teh FF3
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> *FFe
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happened to insanity ?
[20:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah i know, im gonna open a needs-packaging bug, add it to changelog with lp:etc and upload it to revu
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: upgrade bugs aren't the same as needs-packaging bugs, last I checked
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Oh btw are you still accepting needs-pacakging bugs?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> im thinking of opening one with libjoschy
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: no new packages for 10.04 :(
[20:42] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well your loss.... recorditnow wont build ;)
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: it's already in the archive
[20:42] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: aarrrggh how do i do for a upgrade bug?
[20:42] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: recorditnow?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: just a bug... with the package...
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yes, though it fails to build
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that's a bug that can be fixed
[20:42] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thats why
[20:42] <shadeslayer> i have the lib in my PPA
[20:42] <Quintasan> DAMN
[20:43] <Quintasan> brb downloading lucid
[20:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.3.16), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0), kdelibs5-dev, libx11-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxext-dev
[20:43] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: 228660 is still crashing rekonq, BUT if you open another ftp.. like ftp.opera.com it works..
[20:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you need libjoschy in there too
[20:44] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: weird rright
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: oh, I thought you were talking about kffmpegthumbnailer for a second
[20:44] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: might be a bad implemented ftp server.. nvidia might be using a windows ftp server.. did you tried with firefox/chromium or even got forbids konqueror?
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: we already have recorditnow, but we just wont' be able to upgrade it
[20:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: should i mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about it?
[20:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: lol
[20:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: \o
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: or just talk to him in person (Quintasan)
[20:45] <Quintasan> That's me
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh right
[20:45] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> well, not in person but... ;)
[20:45] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: what do you mean with the apcakeg? i attach the package.tar.gz to the bug report? oO
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh yeah,if you want to upgrade the package i spent the past 3 days packaging it :P
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: yeah, the tar, diff.gz/debian.tar.gz and the .dsc
[20:46] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ok, gonna do it ASAP
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> bug title something like "upgrade to $ver
[20:46]  * _Groo_ is VERY lazy
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> or something
[20:46] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: might doing kffmpegthumbnailer? just please change libjpeg7-dev to libjpeg-dev and remove ffmpegthumbnailer in depends of the package? My system is pretty borked now :S
[20:46] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: there is a new version?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: kk
[20:46] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: what about "for JontheEchidna eyes only?"
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: should lift some eyebrows
[20:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hmm...no new upstream release
[20:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I belive 0.7 sits in universe in Lucid
[20:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but the git version needs a new build dep
[20:47] <poningru> claydoh, yo
[20:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: and that would be?
[20:47] <Quintasan> test
[20:47] <Quintasan> oh
[20:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: libjoschy
[20:48] <poningru> claydoh, watching you build kmymoney 3.96
[20:48] <poningru> atleast waiting for it to finish building on amd64
[20:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: my badly packaged libs : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/playground/+packages : :P
[20:48] <poningru> on https://launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/kmymoney-kde-sc-4.4/+packages
[20:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: anyways, we ain't going to upload git version to universe
[20:48] <poningru> anyway just wanted to say hi
[20:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah i know :)
[20:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: just letting you know though..
[20:49] <Quintasan> ookay
[20:49] <poningru> and say thaks
[20:49] <Quintasan> I will unbork my system first == format
[20:49] <poningru> thanks
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: libjpeg-dev is nonexistant. you mean libjpeg62-dev?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe...
[20:49] <Quintasan> wut
[20:49] <_Groo_> what are you guys talking about recorditnow?
[20:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is all crappy and things
[20:49] <apachelogger> kubotu is superior
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:~/src/shaman$ apt-cache show libjpeg-dev
[20:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I testbuilt it in lucid and libjpeg-dev worked
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:~/src/shaman$
[20:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe
[20:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happened though? went rogue?
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> ah, virtual package
[20:50] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well, it builds fine with libjpeg62-dev
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> Provides: libjpeg-dev
[20:50] <apachelogger> no, it just was like that
[20:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no
[20:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: use the libjpeg-dev
[20:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no what?
[20:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dont build against that in particular
[20:50] <Quintasan> okay, I'm just telling it works :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> just build depend on that virtual packag
[20:50] <apachelogger> kk
[20:51] <_Groo_> does it has x11grab now (recordit)? i asked it for the author ages ago (since recodmydesktop is broken in radeon)
[20:51] <_Groo_> anyway.. lets build the beast :)
[20:51] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: lemme see
[20:52] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: oh btw youll need libjoschy before you build ;)
[20:52] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: libwhat???
[20:52] <shadeslayer> libjoschy
[20:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: figures..
[20:53] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: http://gitorious.org/joschy/joschy
[20:53]  * _Groo_ goes find and compile libjoschy
[20:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: thanks
[20:53] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hehe...
[20:54] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: i know this software in and out now :P
[20:54] <shadeslayer> took me 3-4 days to figure out :D
[20:54] <shadeslayer> hit me with everything from FTBFS to build-dep errors
[20:54] <Quintasan> oh man what did I do that it broke so badly?
[20:55] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: lol why? it says so in the make build! lol
[20:55] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: did you build it in a ppa maybe... groo is soooooooooo lazy
[20:56] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah i built it in a PPA,slow net connection
[20:56] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: is it published?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> and it took 4-5 hours for one build to go thorugh
[20:56] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yes
[20:56] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: but its in playground and lacks polish
[20:56] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: rohan?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah
[20:57] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i dont care
[20:57] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i live on the edge :)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ~rohangarg
[20:57] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: its fine in terms of binary... just lacks a proper description etc
[20:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i got it.. i just wanted to steal your diff.. like i said.. laaaaaaaazy
[20:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:58] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: Grrrrr...
[20:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: lol...
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: kffmpegthumbnailer uploaded
[20:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: why make when you can copy!
[20:58] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: whats your ppa page?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hehe
[20:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: look for padoca virtual in launchpad
[20:59] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: of course... i did that too ;)
[20:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks!
[21:00]  * shadeslayer steals _Groo_'s ktorrent diffs
[21:00] <shadeslayer> i needed those :P
[21:01] <shadeslayer> oh well ill pacakage ktorrent tommorow... have to go to sleep right now :)
[21:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: lol wait a few min, im gonna upload the beta1+ yesterdays git.. which is much more stable
[21:01] <shadeslayer> 2.30 AM.... good morning :)
[21:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: where are you? asia
[21:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ktorrent migrated to git? when?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yea
[21:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: sorry, svn i mean
[21:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: brazil over here :)
[21:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: heh.. :)
[21:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: its 6:05 pm :)
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> 4:02 pm here
[21:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: 35 degrees celsius.. im melting
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> (eastern US)
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> 1 degree celsius here
[21:03] <shadeslayer> hehe... its 26oC here
[21:03] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ill have a looksie tommorow
[21:04] <shadeslayer> right now sleep is all that i can comprehend
[21:04] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: lucky bastard... groo misses portugal..
[21:04] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: lol... i think its too hot too soon :
[21:04] <shadeslayer> itll rise up to 42-45 oC here
[21:04] <shadeslayer> and 9-10 hour power outages :(
[21:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: looks like brasil.. but a little worst lol
[21:05] <shadeslayer> being in a 3 world country sucks :P
[21:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and which one is that?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: India :)
[21:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im in the B, you in the I
[21:06] <shadeslayer> Sloppy Internet connections...
[21:06] <Quintasan> I do think that making a dd image of sys partition after formatting is an awesome idea
[21:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:06] <_Groo_> Quintasan: oO?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> bye all!
[21:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer:  bye bye
[21:07] <shadeslayer> cya tommorow!
[21:07] <Quintasan> _Groo_: you do not know dd?
[21:07] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: just uploaded kchviewer and ktorrent, check it tomorrow
[21:07] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: sure ;)
[21:07] <_Groo_> Quintasan: yes.. but why dd the /sys?
[21:07] <Quintasan> _Groo_: dd system partition
[21:08] <_Groo_> Quintasan: aaaaaaaaadddddddddddd dd IMAGE... i must be tired... nvm...
[21:09] <_Groo_> Quintasan: for some crazy reason i was thinking in dd if=/dev/zero of=/sys... or something like that... disregard.. its the beer speaking
[21:09] <poningru> claydoh, quick question are you building kmymoney 3.96 for amd64?
[21:10] <claydoh> its in the queue
[21:11] <neversfelde> would someone review kfritz http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kfritz
[21:11] <neversfelde> I want to try to get a ffe for it, whould be sad, if it cannot go in, because upstream did a lot of work to make it distributable for us
[21:12] <poningru> claydoh, thanks
[21:13] <Quintasan> neversfelde: REVU couldn't extract the source :(
[21:13] <neversfelde> Quintasan: source format 3.0
[21:13] <Quintasan> oh
[21:15] <Quintasan> neversfelde: the debian dir itself looks fine
[21:16] <Quintasan> neversfelde: advocating
[21:16] <neversfelde> Quintasan: REVU is not working with packages that use source format 3.0, so thiss is not a packaging problem?
[21:17] <neversfelde> Quintasan: k, thank you
[21:28] <neversfelde> so I need another MOTU :)
[21:28] <neversfelde> someone around?
[21:32] <Lex79> why another? you have two ack, jr and Quintasan
[21:34] <neversfelde> Lex79: mhh, jr's one is old
[21:34] <Lex79> :(
[21:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: ^^ :D
[21:34] <neversfelde> anyway, I am going to write the ffe later this evening
[23:22] <Quintasan> \o
[23:25] <poningru> w00h00 8 mins
[23:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[23:35] <neversfelde> Lex79: there should be a new kmldonkey 2.0.5 release with 4.4.1, do you now, where the extragear tarballs are published? Nothing on ktown.
[23:36] <Lex79> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.4.0/src/extragear/
[23:37] <Lex79> but it seems not released yet
[23:37] <Lex79> and there is no 4.4.1 directory in ftp
[23:39] <neversfelde> mhh, toma said it should be there
[23:45] <Quintasan> testin
[23:45] <Quintasan> はは
[23:45] <Quintasan> awesome
[23:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: ibus with anthy on pl_PL works fine, good work :)
[23:48] <Lex79> neversfelde: ask to toma where is the source if it's not in ktown
[23:48] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes


[04:39] <qwebirc8151> just reinstalled mythbuntu but keep getting mysql errors in control center can someone tell me how to fix that
[04:50] <qwebirc8151> anyone there?
[04:57] <qwebirc8151> how do i update mythbuntu to the latest version?
[05:04] <qwebirc8151> anyone still up?
[14:29] <qwebirc8151> trying to do updates on new mythbuntu install and it just hangs.  i let it run overnight and it never finished
[14:29] <qwebirc8151> any ideas?
[14:32] <Hydr0p0nX> do the updates in smaller batches
[14:32] <Hydr0p0nX> try to narrow down which update is causing the problem
[14:58] <qwebirc8151> how do i narrow it down?  It asked me when i first started up mythbuntu there were updates available i said to do them.  Little screen is black with only title bar visable but been running all night
[14:59] <qwebirc8151> is it safe to end the task?
[18:59] <qwebirc4446> I have a mid-2007 mac mini.  I'd love to do a clean install of mythbuntu, but I'm totally new to linux.  Is the current version even compatible with my machine? 1.83GHz core2duo 2gb ram
[18:59] <qwebirc4446> thanks for any/all help
[19:00] <Hydr0p0nX> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_an_Intel_Mac_Mini_using_Ubuntu
[19:59] <wangel> greetings everyone.  Quick question:  I  have a backend running:  MythTV Version : v0.26.1-34-g81ce5c0    .  If I download 14.04 to install as a new frontend, will it work?  0.27 doesn't use protocol version 75 does it?
[20:00] <wangel> or does 14.04 not have 0.27?
[20:09] <wangel> or still; if I decide to upgrade to 0.27, if I change the repo in the mythbuntu control center and run apt-get update, will it update my db and everything? :D
[20:11] <Hydroponx> 14.04 should have 27 by default, if i'm not mistaken (and I could be)
[20:11] <wangel> that's what I thought
[20:13] <Colossus_> I was thinking that I had read somewhere they required that you have 0.26 before upgrading, though mythbuntu says to wait for 14.04.1 to do the upgrade... don't know where I saw that
[20:14] <Hydroponx> yea, I'm 0.26 right now haven't made the jump to 0.27 because I haven't found a windows build for it yet
[20:14] <Colossus_> you run front and back ends on windows or just frontends?
[20:14] <Hydroponx> 1 frontend
[20:14] <Colossus_> nice
[20:15] <Hydroponx> the combined front/backend is mythbuntu
[20:15] <Colossus_> I may have to try it out on windows again... would add additional versatility to the frontend
[20:15] <Hydroponx> IO
[20:15] <Hydroponx> I've also wired the house w/ cat 6e
[20:16] <Colossus_> yeah, I did that a couple years ago... pain, but worth it
[20:16] <Hydroponx> yea, i finally broke down last winter
[20:17] <Hydroponx> crawlspace made it not so bad, had to run speaker wire too figured, might as well do both since i'm in the crawlspace
[20:18] <Colossus_> ha
[20:18] <Colossus_> yeah, looking back, I should have run more cables... but oh well, too lazy to redo it
[20:18] <Hydroponx> I want to add two more cat 6 runs, but they aren't "needs"
[20:19] <Colossus_> yeah, i was able to work some feng shui (sp?) on my hardware to make due with what I have run
[20:23] <Hydroponx> I just had to re-build my backend due to a fried board
[20:25] <Colossus_> ouch
[20:25] <Hydroponx> eh, it wasn't too bad
[20:26] <Hydroponx> found a board for ~65 picked up fx-6300 on sale
[20:26] <Colossus_> I recently switched systems for my backend... to something more powerf riendly
[20:26] <Colossus_> ahh, nice... 6 core...
[20:26]  * Colossus_ has wondered if that's useful
[20:26] <Colossus_> :D
[20:27] <Colossus_> I moved from a quad core athlon ii to a turion n54l (hp microserver)
[20:27] <Hydroponx> i've been converting all my movies lately
[20:27] <Hydroponx> had load averages > 9 for hours on end w/ no real issues
[20:27] <Colossus_> ahh
[20:28] <Colossus_> I usually use another system for transcoding
[20:28] <Colossus_> I did try out realtime transcoding to h264 from live tv when I was running the quad though... for my tablet
[20:28] <Hydroponx> my only complaint right now is there's a brief audio stutter when changing channels
[20:28] <Colossus_> but then found a player with hardware accelerated mpeg2 that just plays them straight up, so I figured I didn't need it
[20:29] <Colossus_> hmm
[20:29] <Colossus_> yeah, wangel was saying 0.27 was supposed to contain a bunch of improvements for live tv
[20:29] <Colossus_> I'm still on 0.25 :(
[20:29] <Hydroponx> oh
[20:29] <Colossus_> though I rode out 11.10 with 0.24.1 until it started telling me every day to "upgrade your stupid system"
[20:29] <Colossus_> so I don't know when I'll upgrade :)
[20:29] <Hydroponx> nice
[20:30] <Kwisher> will i have any issues importing my .26 db into a fresh .27 install?
[20:30] <Hydroponx> I wouldn't think so
[20:30] <Hydroponx> you'll probably have to run mythtv-setup to upgrade it to .27 though
[20:31] <Kwisher> mythtv-setup would be a given on a fresh install
[20:33] <Colossus_> don't forget to backup
[20:33] <Kwisher> yeah, clonezilla image before i begin :)
[20:33] <Kwisher> i backup the db daily
[20:34] <Colossus_> heh, man, I clonezilla's my image before separating my recordings from my system and db when I switched machines... talk about a loooooong backup
[20:35] <Kwisher> yeah, my recordings are on a separate partition
[20:35] <Colossus_> definitely better that way
[20:35] <Colossus_> I h ave a 2tb for recordings, a 2tb for videos/movies and right now a 250gb for system/db, but it's slow, so I may upgrade that
[20:36] <Hydroponx> oh
[20:36] <Hydroponx> I guess i did over-engineer mine
[20:36] <Hydroponx> I have 4 2tb drives shared for storage, + 500GB boot
[20:36] <Colossus_> heh, wow
[20:36] <Colossus_> oh, yours is a nas as well?
[20:36] <Hydroponx> could be :)
[20:36] <Colossus_> heh
[20:37] <Hydroponx> but, no, it's primarily myth... moved my music over working on migrating movies and converting to mp4
[20:37] <Hydroponx> then I can start on dvd's
[20:37] <Colossus_> ahh
[20:38] <Colossus_> yeah, having dvds on the system instead of in a stack/case somewhere is so much handier
[20:38] <Colossus_> although those dvd changer towers are really cool looking
[20:38] <Colossus_> :D
[20:38] <Hydroponx> GF was hating it for a while
[20:38] <Hydroponx> recently found an IR receiver that works with both myth and my harmony remote
[20:39] <Colossus_> cool
[20:39] <Colossus_> link?
[20:39] <Colossus_> :D
[20:39] <Colossus_> I bought a flirc... but still haven't set it up
[20:39] <tgm4883> flirc ftw
[20:39] <Hydroponx> it's an old HP p/n 5188-1667
[20:39] <Colossus_> hmm
[20:39] <tgm4883> I bought one and it's awesome
[20:40] <Hydroponx> only disappointment with it is the red/blue/yellow/green buttons aren't being picked up
[20:40] <tgm4883> super easy to map it to keyboard keys, only have 1 remote now
[20:40] <Colossus_> I've h ad pretty good success with the generic rosewill remotes and receivers... though some have horrible usage angles
[20:40] <Colossus_> for use with mce remotes anyway
[20:42] <Hydroponx> this one works really well, a little slow to respond some times
[20:42] <Colossus_> hmmm
[20:43] <Colossus_> http://www.amazon.com/HP-Infrared-Receiver-Center-5188-1667/dp/B000Z7XJME
[20:43] <Hydroponx> that's it, just beware
[20:44] <Hydroponx> a lot of people are seeling other models that don't work as well and labeling it the 5188-1667
[20:44] <Hydroponx> at least, that's what I've heard about happening on ebay
[20:44] <Colossus_> ahh, ebay... yeah... wild west these days
[20:46] <Hydroponx> I learned a valuable lesson the other day
[20:46] <Colossus_> always check for a toilet seat in the dark before sitting down?
[20:46] <Hydroponx> the high-voltage wall boxes are not well suited for cat6
[20:47] <Colossus_> ahh
[20:47] <Colossus_> :)
[20:47] <Hydroponx> fixed 2 of the 3 I used those for
[20:48] <Hydroponx> was causing a problem with the cable crimping and intermittent connectivity drops


[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:06] <elfy> popey: well it was close, I'd have seen you on that train - but getting back from there to here is likely to entail a long long wait for the next train ...
[10:06] <elfy> oh well
[10:07] <popey> i think bigcalm is staying up somewhere nearby
[10:07] <popey> might be worth finding out where
[10:07] <knome> long waits are nothing if you get to see popey!
[10:07] <elfy> lol
[10:08] <elfy> popey: didn't think of that ...
[10:19] <elfy> booked that then - got months to worry about which bench to crash on ...
[10:30] <popey> \o/
[10:30] <popey> looking forward to this
[11:09] <elfy> :)
[13:13] <czajkowski> elfy: sweet, lots of B&Bs close by
[13:13] <czajkowski> we shall meet!!!
[13:15] <elfy> :)
[13:22] <popey> \o/


[08:29] <Guest_25> Hi! I'm new to Xubuntu and i've already installed it to my computer but I'm getting an error when I try to open it
[08:29] <Guest_25> it says failed to open the medium
[08:30] <Guest_25> here's the Details The given path '{f698c892-c97e-4b54-a245-58ed7d807c0e}' is not fully qualified.
[08:30] <Guest_25> can anybody tell me what have i missed?
[08:32] <diogenes_> Guest_25, i didn't quite understand what does not open?
[08:34] <Guest_25> I was trying to open xubuntu inside the vm
[08:35] <diogenes_> oh damn so you're talking about vm?
[08:36] <diogenes_> first remove the installation iso from the storage section.
[08:37] <Guest_25> it says xubuntu is inaccessible
[23:34] <xu-new2> Hi
[23:34] <xu-new2> hi
[23:34] <xu-new2> I would like to install Xubuntu on low power pc with intel atom processor
[23:35] <xu-new2> will it run fine?


[00:14] <streetfighter> salut
[00:15] <KarmaComa> Hello, Kubuntu 12.04, ATI HD 5570, HD monitor plugged through HDMI, turns off after 1 minute, i turned screensaver off and edited the power manager but nothing.
[01:34] <JMichaelX> KDE needs a better world clock widget than the marble one
[01:37] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, Sounds like a chance to pimp QML
[01:37] <JMichaelX> yep, i'm contemplating that
[01:38] <Daskreech> How many cities do you need?
[01:38] <JMichaelX> 3 or 4
[01:39] <JMichaelX> btw, marble itself is awesome
[01:40] <Daskreech> Yeah I've never seen one that continues to be useful after the 6th city
[01:40] <Daskreech> Isn't it?
[01:40] <JMichaelX> very
[01:40] <Daskreech> It got featured on a TV show here as a technology segment
[01:40] <Daskreech> (Well I was doing the presentation)
[01:41] <Daskreech> and it just so happened that we had a hurricane coming at the country. So we opened it up and swooshed it around and showed off the zoom and the country
[01:41] <JMichaelX> i used to use an opera world clock widget that i liked, but i shy away from proprietary software now more than i used to
[01:41] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: sweet
[01:42] <Daskreech> The presenter made some comments directly into the camera and turned back and said Oh look it has clouds too
[01:42] <JMichaelX> was this public access?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Wait. are those animated... wait is that live? That looks like the hurricane that was on the weather?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Yep
[01:42] <Daskreech> It's live weather
[01:42] <Daskreech>  Then we dropped it back onto being the wallpaper while we did the rest of the presentation
[01:43] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: it would be awesome if that show/segment were available to download
[01:43] <JMichaelX> very cool
[01:43] <Daskreech> It was funny watching him go speechless under the layers of awesome he just saw from one application
[01:43] <JMichaelX> from an OS world that was possibly pretty obscure to him
[01:44] <Daskreech> an OS world?
[01:44] <JMichaelX> the world of GNU/FOSS
[01:45] <Daskreech> Well he asked us to come on to speak about Linux for 15 minutes
[01:45] <ybit> really, the last time i say this on #kubuntu
[01:45] <JMichaelX> ok
[01:45] <Daskreech> So we blinged out a MacBook with Kubuntu
[01:45] <ybit> #kde-usa if you are located in the states, time to organize! :)
[01:46] <Daskreech> !ca
[01:46] <ybit> :)
[01:46] <ybit> very nice
[01:46] <Daskreech> ybit, Would you like to be part of the KDE USA collective?
[01:46] <Daskreech> Well NA
[01:46] <ybit> there's a collective i'm unaware?
[01:46] <ybit> of*
[01:46] <Daskreech> ybit, There is
[01:46] <ybit> you betcha
[01:46] <ybit> isn't jeff over that?
[01:47] <JMichaelX> does said collective live communally?
[01:47] <JMichaelX> by any chance
[01:47] <ybit> i'm not opposed to that
[01:47] <JMichaelX> lol
[01:47] <ybit> if it's in opensourceecology.org style
[01:48] <JMichaelX> i'd never seen that site before, ty
[01:54] <Daskreech> ybit, you mean jefferai?
[01:55] <ybit> Daskreech: yep
[01:55] <Daskreech> Yeah I guess he's part of the core :)
[01:58] <ybit> Daskreech: okay, let him know i'm interested in the NA collecteive for me :P
[01:58] <Daskreech> ybit, You cna just sign up
[02:00] <Daskreech> Moment let me get the links
[02:15] <Daskreech> ybit, Bah I can't find the link right now but you can sign up https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/campkde-participants to get in touch
[02:17] <ybit> Daskreech: camp kde is dead now, right?
[02:17] <Daskreech> ybit, Ha umm. lets say it's transmorgified
[02:17] <Daskreech> It's become smaller and more portable
[02:18] <ybit> 11:34 < Mek> lfnw? (and wasn't camp kde abandoned for smaller more local kde things co-hosted with other events, like kde cascadia co-hosted with lfnw?)
[02:18] <ybit> transmorgified... :)
[02:18] <ybit> i don't understand, but okay
[02:18] <Daskreech> Right. So the smaller more local things are the KDE camps
[02:18]  * ybit is wondering how many devs there are in the NA and how many would be willing to get together for a sprint
[02:18] <Daskreech> (Camp KDE It's portable! Get it?)
[02:19] <ybit> i would get it if the name was Tent KDE
[02:19] <Daskreech> the singular KDE event will be readjusted to fit better with KDE and with NA
[02:19] <Daskreech> Camps are not normally meant to be permanent :)
[02:20] <Daskreech> ybit, A fair number. The getting together part is harder and that's why we need some more hands on board to help organize
[02:20] <ybit> that's the idea...
[02:20] <ybit> it's why i keep spamming in here looking for people in the states
[02:21] <ybit> at one point there were ~15 idling in #kde-usa
[02:21] <ybit> i know there's more than 15 US kde users :)
[02:21] <ybit> i'm a bit more unsure about the number of devs
[02:22] <Daskreech> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa
[02:22] <Daskreech> :-p
[02:23] <Daskreech> Well users become devs :)
[02:27] <uberdub> Im loyal a kde user. Quite a few years now. :)
[02:27] <Daskreech> HI Loyal. I'm Hungry
[02:28] <Daskreech> ;-)
[02:28] <uberdub> lol. Didnt know you could eat bytes.
[02:28] <Daskreech> Welcome to KDE!
[02:28] <uberdub> KDE rawks dude.
[02:28] <uberdub> Ive tried gnome, and xfce, etc....meh KDE rulez!
[02:32] <kazagistar> I just installed kubuntu desktop in ubuntu, but my sound control is not working
[02:38] <Daskreech> kazagistar, anything beyond "not working" ?
[02:38] <ybit> re: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/campkde-participants/
[02:38] <ybit> hah!
[02:38] <ybit> last activity: January 2009 :(
[02:39] <ybit> uberdub: where are you from? :)
[02:39] <uberdub> Currently Phoenix
[02:47] <Daskreech> kazagistar, there?
[02:47] <kazagistar> Daskreech: yeah, sorry
[02:47] <kazagistar> Daskreech: the sound is working, but I cant change volume
[02:48] <kazagistar> Daskreech: when I try, it shows volume change, but nothing happens
[02:48] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Can you open your mixer from kmix?
[02:48] <kazagistar> k, I opened kmix
[02:49] <kazagistar> oh, I see, if I change the OTHER bar in kmix, I can alter volume
[02:50] <kazagistar> but the default one that is changed by keybinds and the overlay does nothing
[02:51] <almoxarife> kazagistar: is the 'default' the 'master' slide?
[03:09] <Daskreech> kazagistar, you can change the default to which ever one you would like
[03:09] <Daskreech> If you haven't already
[03:12] <kazagistar> I cant see a default selection
[03:15] <Daskreech> It's umm in one of the top level menus I think
[03:17] <kazagistar> thanks bro
[03:19] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Got it?
[03:19] <kazagistar> Daskreech: yep
[03:19] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Great :)
[08:12] <pawleeq> Hello
[08:18] <Daskreech> hi
[08:23] <pawleeq> I have Genius MousePen 8x6, which was working pretty well, but after some updates (i havent been using it for a few weeks) it dos not work at all and it is not event listed in lsusb output, any clue pls?
[08:37] <Daskreech> pawleeq, not worknig at all means not moving the cursour?
[08:39] <pawleeq> Daskreech: yes
[08:40] <pawleeq> Daskreech: although the tablet itself seems to work fine, the green light turn on, when pen touches the pad...
[08:47] <Daskreech> pawleeq, Hmm nothing at all when you plug it in?
[08:47] <pawleeq> Daskreech: noe
[08:47] <pawleeq> nope
[08:50] <Daskreech> pawleeq, were you monitoring udev when you plugged it in
[08:51] <pawleeq> no, how do I do that?
[08:56] <pawleeq> Daskreech: I run "sudo udevadm monitor" and plug the tablet in and out several times, but it does not print anything at all
[08:56] <pawleeq> (it does when I try it woth anoher USB devices)
[08:57] <Daskreech> Oh
[08:57] <Daskreech> hmm
[08:57] <Daskreech> You did an upgrade you said?
[09:12] <pnunn> Has anyone out here managed to get find in message working in this steaming piece of crap called kmail2?  I can't get it to find anything.
[09:30] <Tm_T> pnunn: I would kindly ask you to be more respective with your choice of words (;
[09:31] <pnunn> Belive me Tm_T that is respectful.. this is the WORST piece of software ever attempted on man (makes M$ look good).
[09:31] <Tm_T> pnunn: as you wish
[09:35] <gotzone> g01972
[09:40] <pnunn> Is anyone else even using kmail any more?
[09:46] <Tm_T> I am, daily
[09:49] <pnunn> Tm_T do you have it going offline constantly? Forgetting the stored passwords for SMTP servers? Not being able to search an email?
[09:55] <Tm_T> pnunn: none of those problems
[10:13] <pnunn> Tim_T are you using IMAP?
[10:27] <Tm_T> pnunn: who is Tim? (: (and yes, I do use IMAP, with D actually)
[10:30] <Spartan29> hello folk!
[10:43] <pnunn> lol sorry Tm_T my mistake.. how about google? Anything there?
[10:46] <Tm_T> pnunn: yes, I use google's imap (too)
[10:47] <pnunn> Tm_T I don't get it. I've struggeld with this on two different distros now (Mageia and now Kubuntu) in both cases Kmail2 has been the worst part of the systems and I'm still having issues where I have to restart akonadi many many times a day.
[10:48] <pnunn> I'm using imapd to a courier mail server, google for contacts and calendar..
[10:48] <Tm_T> all works just fine here
[10:48] <pnunn> I'm really pleased for you (but sad for me.. lol).
[11:07] <Spartan29> Since last week when i updated kde via PPA to 4.8.1 i see that some effects doesen't work anymore, i.e. when i click shut (this effect is checked and enabled in desktop effects) the desktop don't fade to desaturize.... Anyone knows why?
[11:20] <bunz> I've been having problems with updating my system over a satellite link. I seems that most of the repos don't play too sell with high latency connections . Can anyone suggest one that work OK with satellite? It's been suggested to me that there are a few.
[11:42] <john> Hello
[11:43] <john> I am using Kubuntu 11.10 and added the PPA of Kubuntu 4.8
[11:43] <john> Now when I start dolphin, I see this error:
[11:43] <john> dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.4: cannot read file data: Error 21
[11:43] <john> seems new, theere is no reference on google of this error
[12:22] <mischasworld> hello
[12:22] <falstaf> Hello
[12:22] <mischasworld> I recently updated to precise kubuntu beta, suspend to ram via settings in kde settings is not working, if i call pm-suspend via sudo its working any iedas to fix this?
[12:23] <hateball> mischasworld: I'd ask in #kubuntu+1
[12:23] <mischasworld> thanks
[12:25] <almoxarife> mischasworld: I have sort of the same problem, I can suspend, can't hibernate
[12:26] <mischasworld> almoxarife: i moved to my question to #ubuntu+1 perhaps we can solve it there
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:11] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: ping
[14:41] <georgelappies___> hi all, where can I get a list comparing the changes in kubuntu 11.10 to kubuntu 12.04?
[14:44] <genii-around> georgelappies___: There is no such comparison list as such.
[14:46] <genii-around> georgelappies___: However, you can find all the changes made in 12.04 at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Precise-changes ( at the top is a link to all the prior postings )
[14:47] <pawelero> hi, I just read this blog post: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4547
[14:48] <Riddell> pawelero: nice to have a reader :)
[14:48] <pawelero> it will be great if Kubuntu will get different name, it's the best distribution I've ever used and I want it to be as revelance as possible :)
[14:48] <Riddell> suggestions welcome
[14:49] <pawelero> Riddell: I bet there are many more readers, but only KDE contributors can make comments on that blog
[14:49] <genii-around> K-Ultra
[14:50] <Riddell> pawelero: it accepts open ID so anything with a launchpad or google or yahoo account can
[14:50] <BluesKaj> those dumb names are the only drawback...why choose obscure animals ..i don't get it
[14:50] <pawelero> maybe some topic at kubuntu forums about the new name and then make some poll?
[14:50] <pawelero> Riddell: thanks, I'll remember that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> precise pangolin ...really how can a pangolin be 'precise"..precise about what ? :)
[14:52] <pawelero> BluesKaj: it's not that bad, ever heard of Beffy miracle? ;)
[14:52] <DarthFrog> What's obscure about a pangolin?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> pawelero,  nope and I really don't care :)
[14:53] <pawelero> beefy*
[14:53] <genii-around> Riddell: Are there any articles as to Canonical's reasoning?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  we obviously have different inrerests , lets leave it at that :)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> err  interests :)
[14:55] <Riddell> genii-around: nope although this has a simplied fragment of conversation http://ploum.net/post/what-if-ubuntu-were-right
[14:55] <DarthFrog> The next letter is Q.  The Quiet Quagga? The Quixotic something or other?
[14:56] <genii-around> Riddell: Thanks !
[15:01] <genii-around> Now I have a lot of questions to ask about this and no idea where to go for answers. Bleh
[15:04] <genii-around> Riddell: Would kubuntu-users mailing list be the appropriate place to keep posted as whats happening with this issue?
[15:04] <Riddell> genii-around: probably not, I don't read that much
[15:05] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel probably better
[15:05] <BluesKaj> well stuff to do for a couple hrs, BBL
[15:06] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, BluesKaj
[15:07] <LINKSWORD2> Or can I just call ya Blue? :P
[15:07] <LINKSWORD2> Darkwing: Long time, no see.
[15:09] <genii-around> Riddell: Ok, thanks. Sorry to be a pest. I'd have carried on the conversation in -offopic if you were in there :)
[15:10] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, claydoh
[15:12] <LINKSWORD2> Well, shoot. I know a lot of you. BluesKaj, claydoh, Cueball, Darkwing, eristikophiles... Hello to you all.
[15:12] <LINKSWORD2> If I forgot any of you, it's because there's a LONG list of people in here.
[15:18] <pawelero> when comes to a new name I'd vote for KDE OS ;)
[15:20] <Riddell> pawelero: that would be nice but large parts of KDE would get annoyed
[15:21] <LINKSWORD2> Plus, Kubuntu is still based off of Ubuntu as the root platform...
[15:21] <LINKSWORD2> In fact, Kubuntu is *K*de-Ubuntu.
[15:21] <pawelero> Riddell: I know, some people from OpenSUSE will be angry ;)
[15:21] <pawelero> so maybe Ubuntu KDE?
[15:22] <LINKSWORD2> That's pointless, because it comes back to saying the same thing.
[15:22] <LINKSWORD2> And as annoying as this may sound, this side of the conversation is better done in #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:23] <pawelero> LINKSWORD2: but it will give many more results in google when you type Ubuntu :)
[15:23] <LINKSWORD2> pawelero: Surprisingly, you get just as many for Kubuntu.
[15:23] <LINKSWORD2> Now, again. #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:24] <genii-around> LINKSWORD2: I do agree that it is not strictly a support conversation
[15:24] <Riddell> pawelero: that name has two trademarks in it
[15:25] <LINKSWORD2> Riddell: Not to be a thorn in the side, but this is more of an off-topic conversation. #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:27] <ikonia> Riddell: very very well written post
[15:27] <ikonia> Riddell: (as in blog post)
[15:27] <orated> Hi! Kubuntu 11.10 KDE 4.8.1. I still face issues with dolphin when the network connection for ssh/nfs/nas is closed. When the server system is shut down, then the file manager with which it was accessed hangs. I came for the same issue probably a month ago and was suggested to upgrade to 4.8.1. It sill fails... can anyone guide me how to fix it?
[15:36] <genii-around> orated: Have you searched on Launchpad for bug reports with the same symptoms, or reported this as a bug there?
[15:37] <orated> killing PID for dolphin helped a little. Now, if I open it from terminal - http://pastebin.com/YWkeJvac and PrntScr cannot save the file to be uploaded but its all grey with a black  strip at top
[15:37] <orated> no, not yet
[15:37] <orated> I'm trying to understand the reason why its happening first
[15:37] <orated> Its very likely related to Networks option in Dolphin
[15:44] <orated> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=97463
[16:12] <kbroulik> is there a way to resolve depenendy issues? it spits out like 10 packages that cannot be installed because of that :( one package requires a newer version but an older one is installed, and that older version needs a newer one … a great cycle
[16:20] <fdoving> kbroulik: can you pastebin the error?
[16:20] <kbroulik> sure. but it is in german :)
[16:20] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444104
[16:21] <georgelappies___> genii-around: Thank you :)
[16:23] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'sudo apt-get -f install' suggest?
[16:23] <fdoving> kbroulik: did you add any new repositories lately?
[16:23] <kbroulik> fdoving: I already tried that it fails with a lot of missing dependendies as well
[16:24] <kbroulik> fdoving: I guess I did a few weeks ago, and I also have that problem for weeks now but I just left it but now I want to install a new package and it wouldnt let me
[16:26] <fdoving> kbroulik: can you pastebin the result from 'sudo apt-get -f install' ?
[16:27] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444122 here you go :)
[16:33] <kbroulik> re
[16:33] <Roasted> hi, kind of a dumb question. In Ubuntu, there's Startup Applications. Is that a Gnome thing, or an Ubuntu thing? I'm curious if it exists in KDE land as well.
[16:36] <kbroulik> Roasted: Startup APplications?
[16:36] <kbroulik> you mean, a frontend to configure which programs/services should be started automatically?
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, yes
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, I have it here but I'm on regular Ubuntu/Gnome Shell. I wasn'ts ure if tha was a Gnome thing or not.
[16:36] <kbroulik> Roasted: in KDE this is System Settings → Startup & Shutdown (or so) → Autostart
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, ah, so it's not DE specific.
[16:37] <kbroulik> the thing I pointed to is a KDE-own thing, it's not the exact thing you talk about :)
[16:37] <Roasted> thanks much kbroulik :)
[16:37] <Roasted> oh?
[16:37] <kbroulik> i.e. it is not shared between DE but KDE has a similar thing
[16:37] <Roasted> ahh okay
[16:37] <Roasted> so it's not identical, but it's pretty much thesamedarnthing ??
[16:37] <kbroulik> I don't know that "Startup Applications" :) but I guess both manage services and applications that autostart? ^^
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, pretty much. On Ubuntu, I have an rsync command in startup applications, because you can put in your own command.
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, that way it runs when I log in and my home dir syncs to file server over ssh. It's beautiful.
[16:38] <kbroulik> you can do that as well on KDE
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, perfect!
[16:38] <Roasted> thanks much
[16:38] <yofel> Startup Applications is a gnome thing, they just mesh applications and services into the same UI
[16:39] <Roasted> I fired up a google image search of the kde startup apps, looks relatively similar
[16:39] <Roasted> same idea/principle at least.
[16:39] <Roasted> (still waiting for the ISO to complete)
[16:39] <yofel> and while the UI is different, you're configuring mostly the same thing in KDE too
[16:39] <Roasted> nice
[16:39] <Roasted> now, that makes me wonder if LXDE has it, as that'll be another box on my LAN... time for the magical Google...
[16:39] <kbroulik> yeah I guess those .desktop files are placed in XDG spots and so you actually edit the same exact files :)
[16:40] <Roasted> last post @ Dec 2010 suggests they may have it too - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=111
[16:40] <Roasted> nice
[16:40] <Roasted> thanks fellas
[16:42] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'apt-cache policy lib32gcc1' return? - pastebin please.
[16:44] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444164
[16:51] <fdoving> kbroulik: what if you try: 'sudo aptitude remove cpp cpp-4.6 g++ g++-4.6 gcc gcc-4.6 gtk2-engines-pixbuf lib32asound2 lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6 libc6-dbg libc6-i386 libgail-common libgfortran3 libquadmath0 libstdc++6-4.6-dev'
[16:51] <fdoving> kbroulik: does it suggest to remove any other packages that the ones listed?
[16:52] <fdoving> s/that/than/
[16:52] <kbroulik> I dont have aptitude installed :) and it wouldnt let me
[16:52] <kbroulik> but apt-get should be fine?
[16:54] <kbroulik> fdoving: then it claims that arduino-core, dkms, g++, gtk2-engines-pixbuf, lib32nss-mdns, lib32z1, libgail-common:i386, libidl-common, liblapack3gf, skype, teamviewer6, x11-apps, x11-session-utils and x11-xserver-utils have unmet dependencies
[16:57] <fdoving> kbroulik: and if you do apt-get -f install again?
[16:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: I think the same exact thing as before
[17:00] <fdoving> kbroulik: tried to run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get -f install' ? if you did add/remove any sources to your sources.list lately it is probably the reason.
[17:01] <kbroulik> fdoving: I run that apt-get update regularly and yet I still got the same thing :(
[17:05] <fdoving> kbroulik: it won't help if your /etc/apt/sources.list is incomplete somehow. or if you've mixed releases or added/removed backports or updates repositories. can you pastebin the result of: grep -Rv ^# /etc/apt/sources.lis*
[17:06] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444170
[17:14] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'apt-cache policy cpp-4.6' return?
[17:15] <sinthetek> heya, for some reason my shutdown dialog stopped appearing when i hit ctrl+alt+del
[17:15] <sinthetek> any idea what might cause this issue? i think i had it before but can't remember how i fixed it
[17:18] <sinthetek> it appears to be set in the kde keybindings configuration
[17:28] <sinthetek> screen also won't lock when i close
[17:28] <sinthetek> the lid
[17:32] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444188
[17:33] <kbroulik> sinthetek: I think that screenlock thing is configured in Screensaver settings, check the "Lock after xx minutes" thing and so it will autolock, but not sure
[17:55]  * chalcedony smiles
[17:56] <fdoving> kbroulik: i would suggest trying to change to another mirror. or the main archive server, then run apt-get update and apt-get -f install to see if it helps. seems gcc/cpp/g++ got halfway-upgraded to 4.6.3, while some of the packages remain at 4.6.2.
[17:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: okay, I will try that. many thanks for your patience :)
[17:57] <fdoving> kbroulik: i don't run precise, so i don't know in which state the archives are at the moment. it might be broken for all i know.
[17:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: I am running precise on my main machine and another pc as well and those don't show that symptoms :)
[18:13] <kbroulik> fdoving: choosing another server didnt help
[18:20] <fdoving> kbroulik: is this amd64?
[18:20] <kbroulik> yes
[18:38] <fdoving> kbroulik: you can try this, before manually fetching the debs one by one, http://paste.kde.org/444248/
[18:38] <kbroulik> fdoving: ah, so I can specify a version with the equal sign?
[18:39] <fdoving> kbroulik: yeah, if they are available in multiple versions, you can check with apt-cache policy <packagename>
[18:39] <kbroulik> fdoving: good to know :)
[18:39] <fdoving> kbroulik: the trick is that you need to get them all right at once, for apt to figure out the dependencies.
[18:41] <fdoving> kbroulik: if all apt foo fails, you can manually fetch the .debs from packages.ubuntu.com in the correct versions, place them in a directory and run 'dpkg -i *.deb'
[18:42] <kbroulik> fdoving: hmm so except for libstdc++ it always says "version xxx for package yyy not found"
[18:44] <fdoving> kbroulik: what? - check with 'apt-cache policy cpp' - if they can't be found something is broken in the sources.list or the available lists.
[18:51] <__dan__> soooo im on 11.10 with a few ppa's and stuff
[18:51] <__dan__> gonna dist-upgrade i think
[18:51] <__dan__> any tips before i risk it? :)
[18:51] <__dan__> other than make a backup hehe
[18:51] <kbroulik> fdoving: hooray, so I Manually downloaded and installed the 10 packages that were "corrupt"; and not did an upgrade and now it offered me to upgrade the cpp, gcc and g++ and now everything is fine, no more error messages :)
[18:52] <kbroulik> thanks thanks thanks :)
[18:52] <tsimpson> __dan__: expect things to explode, then you won't be disappointed
[18:52] <__dan__> heheh
[18:52] <fdoving> kbroulik: great :)
[18:53] <__dan__> ok, so whats the approved upgrade method then, start dist-upgrade and throw ur machine outside
[18:53] <__dan__> hope it doesnt make a crater in ur back yard?
[18:53] <__dan__> hehe
[18:53] <__dan__> at what point should i go over to it and see if its done?
[18:54]  * __dan__ assumes standard firework safety applies?
[18:54] <__dan__> heheh
[18:55] <tsimpson> __dan__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[18:56] <__dan__> yeah dude thx
[18:56] <__dan__> any tips?
[18:56] <__dan__> oh yeah also should i remove my ppa's before upgrade?
[18:56] <tsimpson> the upgrade tool will do that for you
[18:56] <__dan__> cant remember whether i did that for 11.04 -> 11.10
[18:56] <__dan__> awesome :)
[18:57] <tsimpson> I would offer advice, but no one ever takes it :)
[18:57] <__dan__> right then i think its time to see if u guys REALLY amaroK
[18:57] <__dan__> hehe :)
[18:57] <__dan__> hey man thats why i'm here
[18:57] <tsimpson> if I did offer any, it would be to use a virtual machine or chroot, but you're probably not going to do that, are you?
[18:57] <__dan__> um
[18:57] <__dan__> no
[18:57] <__dan__> heheh
[18:57] <__dan__> :)
[18:57] <tsimpson> see
[18:57] <FloodBotK1> __dan__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> __dan__,  if you use the terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade , then remove the ppas from  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[18:58] <__dan__> ah i will do it the gui way thanks BluesKaj
[18:58] <tsimpson> the GUI tool actually runs do-release-upgrade, it just adds a shiny GUI for it
[18:58] <__dan__> mmmmmmm shiny :)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> __dan__,  ok ,...shiny is for crows :)
[18:59] <__dan__> ah i prefer to use the shiny on kubuntu
[18:59] <__dan__> if i want cli i will fire up debian :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , __dan__ that's your option
[18:59] <__dan__> + better to test the way most users will be doing it
[19:00] <__dan__> in case it turns my laptop into a steaming pile of slag i might be able to pull some logs off it for u guys haha
[19:00] <BluesKaj> 12.04, kde 4.8.1 here , all terminal ...runs fine
[19:01] <__dan__> awesome :) i should be joining you shortly ... looking forward to kde 4.8
[19:01] <__dan__> just gonna run deja-dup quick haha :)
[19:01] <__dan__> oh yeah one more thing
[19:01] <__dan__> sorry ... is btrfs default in 12.04 now?
[19:03] <tsimpson> __dan__: lord no
[19:04] <tsimpson> I know it's a development release, but not _that_ much
[19:04] <__dan__> well i thought that may be a little bold for an LTS, a friend said it was tho
[19:04] <__dan__> i will inform him of his error haha :)
[19:05] <__dan__> thanks guys
[19:05] <tsimpson> you can choose it when installing, but it's not default
[19:05] <__dan__> nooo man haha
[19:05] <tsimpson> and an upgrade certainly isn't going to format your disks ;)
[19:05] <__dan__> no i know i was considering a reinstall if btrfs was going default
[19:06] <__dan__> maybe for 12.10 :)
[19:06] <__dan__> thanks for all ur help
[19:06] <tsimpson> btrfs is still under heavy development, would be insane to make it the default for 5 years
[19:06] <__dan__> i will be back later tonight saying "yay it worked" or tomorrow saying "ahhhh my laptop exploded" wish me luck ;)
[19:06] <__dan__> indeed hehe
[19:07] <__dan__> cya tsimpson & BluesKaj thx :)
[19:07] <BluesKaj> what advantages will btrfs have over ext ?
[19:09] <Merlyn-Korr> #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:09] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: mostly it's improves how RAID is done, not much in it for single-disk systems
[19:11] <BluesKaj> ok tsimpson , thanks ..using an esata outboard drive for multimedia already , no raid requirement here
[19:31] <Bundestrojaner> good evening
[19:32] <Bundestrojaner> how can i change the keyboard-layout in kubuntu 11.10_
[19:32] <Bundestrojaner> the google-hits are not correct, so it must have changed
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Bundestrojaner,  system settings>input devices>keyboard layouts tab
[19:36] <Bundestrojaner> BluesKaj: I only see keyboard-modells
[19:36] <Bundestrojaner> oh, a tab
[19:37] <Bundestrojaner> there is no keyboard layout-tab oO
[19:37] <Bundestrojaner> it worked before
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> but mz package-manager freezed during updating
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> so i killed the process
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> i try rebooting again
[20:38] <jalcine> Is anyone willing to help me test a speech-related application? It's at https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol.
[20:41] <jalcine> C'mon guys, don't be shy :)
[21:07] <rtdos> how do i get automatic updates to quit asking for my password?
[21:12] <daskreech> add the updater as a list of the binaries that respect sudo nopasswd ?
[21:17] <rtdos> how do i do that?
[21:23] <daskreech> http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/18/linux-tips-password-usage-in-sudo-passwd-nopasswd/
[21:27] <rtdos> thx.
[21:59] <ricky1966> Hi everybody, i've a hp Officejet, with a print server 4 port network usb hub from digitus. how can i setup  all for make a lan printer ?
[22:08] <markus> I have the same. Have a JetDirect Printserver. Just connected the printer and the computers found it on the network
[22:17] <rtdos> am having a problem loading (and closing) apps on kubuntu: some (most) apps seem to take awhile to either load or shutdown. like there is something running in the background or waiting for something to close. i ran all the necessary tests, including fsck and still have this issue.
[22:21] <ricky1966> markus I don't know if the printserver is jetDirect, i look on the site. tks, I go to sleep i try tomorrow
[22:37] <brad_> help me troubleshoot, I;m trying to sign into my university's wifi, usually, whenusing a browser on a windows pc, the first page to open with the browser is a login/password page. when i open firefox or rekonq on my new distro, the browser doesn't get reedirected to this page as usual, and im not able to access wifi.... ideas?
[22:39] <asfyxia> brad_, do you have a dual-boot pc?
[22:40] <brad_> no, I'm wired into the internet now, reading some forums about this. but no, linux is the only os on here
[22:42] <JMichaelX_work> brad_: i probably do not have the answer, but i have attended some classes at a certain community college, where i had to turn off zeroconf in order to use their network
[22:43] <JMichaelX_work> brad_: it might be worth trying: 'sudo service avahi-daemon stop'
[22:43] <asfyxia> brad_ , okay, I thought I had an idea but I was wrong in the set-up of your connection
[22:44] <brad_> ill try that script
[22:44] <JMichaelX_work> you may then need to close your browser, then open it again
[22:52] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: any success?
[22:55] <brad__> got disconnected,  it worked, hell yea...
[22:55] <brad__> thanks guys, is avahi-daemon looking for printers/crap on the network or something?
[22:56] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: awesome!
[22:56] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: not too sure what all zeroconf does, but yes, i think that is part of it
[22:57] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: for myself, it is something i do not believe i need very badly in most cases... you can test things for yourself, but you might just be able to disable zeroconf altogether, and be fine
[22:59] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: i *think* 'sudo update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove' might do that for you (if not, it would likely be something similar)
[23:02] <brad__> ok cool thanks
[23:03] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: you could then always add it back, if it turns out you need it after all
[23:04] <brad__> if i write the script, cmd tells me to use -f to force, havent even done that... think i should just leave it alone?
[23:04] <brad__> *ever done
[23:05] <JMichaelX_work> i dunno, i would say go ahead and use -f.... but, if you are worried, yu can just leave it alone
[23:05] <brad__> gotchya, just didnt know how serious "force" was to be taken, never applied it to something before, kinda over reacting here, lol
[23:08] <brad__> hmm. tried it, cmd says the disable/enable API is not stable and might change in the future.
[23:08] <brad__> can i just use a scipt to check if it's there/enabled now?
[23:13] <rtdos> am having a problem loading (and closing) apps on kubuntu: some (most) apps seem to take awhile to either load or shutdown. like there is something running in the background or waiting for something to close. i ran all the necessary tests, including fsck and still have this issue.
[23:15] <brad__> ummm, another thing, my buddy wants to get an Alienware laptop...... and run linux on it?? what do I need to tell this kid, he's reading this..
[23:18] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: no real idea... bt if want to run linux, you need to confirm compatibility before you buy
[23:19] <DarthFrog> Alienware machines are high-performance machines, designed for gamers.  And have a price tag to match.
[23:19] <brad__> that's for sure
[23:19] <DarthFrog> I wouldn't call Linux a gamer's OS, though.
[23:19] <brad__> that's what i thought
[23:20] <DarthFrog> Unless he needs a high performance laptop, it would seem to me that he's over-buying.  Not that there's anything wrong with that if you've got the budget for it. :-)
[23:23] <brad__> anybody have an RTS they'd recommend?
[23:30] <szal> RTS?


[00:25] <jcastro_> cjohnston: around?
[00:25] <cjohnston> sir
[01:51] <mhall119> jcastro: welcome to the snshine state!
[16:22] <maxolasersquad> In case anyone has been waiting for it and hasn't seen yet, Google Music now has a Linux client.
[23:27] <shadowchaser> hello all  few questions concerning ubuntu and untaring a package
[23:50] <mhall119> shadowchaser needs to stay online longer


[01:00] <wallyworld> hpidcock: here's the 2.7 port https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11551
[01:04] <hpidcock> wallyworld: were there any merge conflicts?
[01:04] <wallyworld> no
[01:04] <wallyworld> clean
[01:05] <hpidcock> wallyworld: done
[01:05] <wallyworld> ta
[01:08] <hpidcock> wallyworld: when you get back https://github.com/juju/testing/pull/148
[01:34] <hpidcock> wallyworld: can you make sure the Github webhooks for https://github.com/juju/testing are correct please
[01:38] <wallyworld> hpidcock: looks ok, was fired successfuly for https://api.github.com/repos/juju/testing/issues/148 30 minutes ago
[01:38] <wallyworld> or 20
[01:39] <hpidcock> weird, ok thanks
[01:39] <wallyworld> now i gotta run to vet
[03:04] <hpidcock> yeah wallyworld the webhooks look misconfigured for the https://github.com/juju/testing project
[03:06] <wallyworld> hpidcock: it just fired again a few minutes ago. do the jenkins logs reflect that?
[03:08] <hpidcock> yep it does
[03:08] <hpidcock> ugh
[03:08] <hpidcock> time to dig deeper
[03:32] <wallyworld> hpidcock: deploying kubeflow bundle, yay..... controller-0: 13:01:51 ERROR juju.worker.dependency "caas-unit-provisioner" manifold worker returned unexpected error: panic resulted in: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference
[03:33] <wallyworld> lots of cert noise i been meaning to look at also controller-0: 12:57:43 WARNING juju.worker.httpserver http: TLS handshake error from <IP_ADDRESS>:38792: remote error: tls: bad certificate
[03:49] <hpidcock> no stack trace?
[03:49] <wallyworld> sadly no, i'm adding extra logging to log it
[03:49] <wallyworld> any luck on your end?
[03:52] <hpidcock> just starting at looking on the bug
[03:52] <hpidcock> was busy fixing some jenkins stuff
[03:52] <wallyworld> all good
[03:53] <hpidcock> will have a pr up soon fixing unit tests with vendored deps
[04:54] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11544 im still filling the description, but it's ready to review now
[04:54] <wallyworld> gr8 ty
[05:17] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I'm *this close* to getting those machine agent tests to pass but haven't quite managed it and don't want to miss rc1 so have pushed up a last-minute commit to skip them
[06:06] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: ok, ty
[07:41] <hpidcock> wallyworld: if you are still here https://github.com/juju/testing/pull/149
[07:46] <wallyworld> looking
[07:47] <wallyworld> hpidcock: lgtm. dumb tests
[09:01] <hpidcock> wallyworld: sigh this testing stuff overriding home makes me sad. Going to have to figure out another way.
[09:02] <wallyworld> ok, i'm fighting with jenkins, finally got it unblocked i think
[09:26] <wallyworld> great s390 slave is having issues
[09:47] <hpidcock> wallyworld: the fun way to solve this problem https://github.com/juju/testing/pull/150
[09:48] <hpidcock> with this all the juju tests pass with juju-db snap
[19:46] <tvansteenburgh> Any one here using a remote lxd server as a lxd cloud in Juju?