[06:07] <Kilos> morning peeps
[06:33] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[07:15] <Kilos> hi zeref
[07:15] <Kilos> winter came again back here
[07:23] <zeref> hi Kilos
[07:38] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:38] <nlsthzn> wow, that was fast uncle Kilos :)
[07:38] <Kilos> hehe
[07:39] <Kilos> im always fast except when im slow
[07:39] <Kilos> sometimes im outside or trying to fix things
[07:40] <nlsthzn> ah ok.. well hello on this Saturday :)
[07:41] <Kilos> hehe
[07:44] <Kilos> you gonna watch the game nlsthzn ?
[07:44] <Kilos> i havent checked the time yet
[07:44] <nlsthzn> which one uncle Kilos ?
[07:44] <Kilos> spose its late avy
[07:44] <Kilos> us and kiwis
[07:45] <nlsthzn> not today
[07:45] <Kilos> revenge match after that ref is being disciplined
[07:45] <nlsthzn> afaik
[07:45] <Kilos> aw
[07:46] <nlsthzn> us and aus on the 28th
[07:46] <Kilos> ai! i thought it was us and kiwis here today
[07:47] <Kilos> got lost somewhere
[07:48] <nlsthzn> think we need some time to regain focus first anyway... if we have two good games at home we have an outside chance of still taking this
[07:49] <Kilos> no need to focus man should play while everyone is still angry about bad reffing
[07:50] <nlsthzn> doubt that will help us when we give away penalties...
[07:50] <Kilos> ya
[09:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:02] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[09:02] <Kilos> hello kbmonkey how are you lad?
[09:03] <Kilos> no class last night and the studies site be sicker
[09:04] <kbmonkey> fine Kilos , ye I saw the studies site is sick :(
[09:04] <kbmonkey> we are at the software feedom day meet in durbs :]
[09:05] <Kilos> enjoy
[09:05] <Kilos> say hi to them geeks for me
[09:10] <nlsthzn> http://youtu.be/H9vf7OQ1X7g
[09:11] <nlsthzn> was so awesome, loved this as a kid and still do :p
[09:11]  * nlsthzn goes to sleep for night shift
[09:11] <nlsthzn> bye
[09:11] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn
[10:53] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:58] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:58] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[10:58] <charl> although we gotta talk about those dirty mugs you have lying around
[11:11] <Kilos> hi charl
[11:18] <charl> how's it going
[11:18] <Kilos> not bad ty and you?
[11:24] <charl> good thanks
[11:51] <charl> i'm learning how to use nzb today
[11:51] <charl> installed the nzb package on ubuntu, tried some others but nzb seems to work the best
[11:52] <charl> downloading some stuff from a usenet news server now
[12:58] <charl> hi Vince-0
[12:58] <Vince-0> heyo
[12:59] <Vince-0> just got back from the dbnlug SFD meet
[12:59] <Vince-0> I drove with kbmonkey
[13:00] <charl> oh nice !
[13:00] <charl> photos?
[13:00] <charl> pic or it didn't happen :P
[13:00] <Vince-0> aah, only have a one really
[13:00] <charl> :(
[13:00] <Vince-0> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B1MTdj3th9s/Uj1-SFaAY0I/AAAAAAAAKzc/ZrinmmXKFYs/w1122-h842-no/1379761189335.jpg
[13:01] <Vince-0> 15 or so peeps
[13:02] <Vince-0> here's what we talked about:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hz6ncKOrdMSTe7IpUDzFoHYRSH7h53CG447FjvUvSzc/edit?usp=sharing
[13:02] <charl> lol the kid in the back
[13:03] <Vince-0> lol yar we didn't have a designated photographer
[13:06] <charl> watching the american version of top gear now, it's even worse than the english one
[13:06] <charl> :D
[13:06] <charl> go figure :P
[13:06] <charl> and it airs on the... history channel?!
[13:06] <Vince-0> the brits are the best
[13:07] <Kilos> vince who are the peeps in the pic?
[13:07] <Vince-0> the us one is ok but the characters aren't as funny
[13:07] <Vince-0> so you can see half my arm and kbmonkey
[13:07] <Kilos> oh is the monkey blonde
[13:08] <Vince-0> and the other guy at the table is one of the original computer society interest groups guys but I forget his name
[13:08] <Kilos> hehe
[13:08] <Vince-0> no that's peroxide
[13:08] <Kilos> hes a peroxide blonde?
[13:09] <Squirm> hi
[13:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[13:10] <Vince-0> hii
[13:10] <charl> lol peroxide
[13:10] <charl> didn't realise people still use that to bleach their hair
[13:11] <charl> my grandmother did that once in the 50s but then decided not to do it again, permanently affected some of her hair
[13:11] <Kilos> hehe
[13:11] <Vince-0> well I dunno what he used
[13:12] <Kilos> anyway now we can tease him
[13:12] <charl> lol
[13:21] <Squirm> Current Conditions
[13:21] <Squirm> Outside Temperature	4.8°C
[13:21] <Squirm> Wind Chill	2.6°C
[13:21] <Kilos> ouch that eina cold
[13:22] <charl> is launchpad down? https://launchpad.net
[13:23] <Kilos> Maaz, is https://launchpad.net down
[13:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, https://launchpad.net/ is down (Server is not responding)
[13:23] <charl> this says it's up http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/launchpad.net
[13:23] <charl> weird
[13:24] <charl> yeah cause i can't seem to add a particular ppa now
[13:24] <charl> traceroute looks fine, i get a syn/ack back but the http server behind it doesn't respond
[13:24] <charl> oh well i just wait for a while
[13:26] <charl> on a related note, the nzb tool on ubuntu is complete crap, it downloads a 9gb file and then the whole file disappears
[13:26] <charl> no trace of it to be found
[13:26] <charl> on my filesystem
[13:26] <Kilos> eish
[13:27] <georgl> charl: which nzb grabber you using?
[13:32] <charl> georgl: http://nzb.sf.net/
[13:33] <georgl> ugh
[13:33] <charl> ?
[13:33] <georgl> use sabnzbd
[13:33] <georgl> works a treat
[13:33] <georgl> been using ti for years
[13:33] <georgl> runs as server
[13:33] <charl> ok i'll give it a shot thanks
[13:33] <georgl> access it via web browser
[13:34] <georgl> http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/
[13:41] <charl> this is a mess
[13:41] <charl> i installed http://www.lottanzb.org/ earlier
[13:42] <charl> that makes use of sabnzbd in the background
[13:42] <charl> but the version that comes with ubuntu is too new for it
[13:42] <charl> even though i installed lottanzb from the ubuntu packages too
[13:43] <charl> there is also hellanzb, has an ubuntu package but the site is down http://hellanzb.com/
[13:48] <Kilos> hellanzb is in the ubuntu repos
[13:49] <Kilos> why you wanna get it from the site charl
[13:52] <charl> no i installed it from the ubuntu repo but i need to understand how to use it
[13:52] <charl> and for that i need docs
[13:52] <charl> it also seems to be a type of daemon
[13:52] <charl> but it expects xmlrpc calls
[13:52] <charl> so it need some type of client app
[14:17] <Kilos> oh no man file
[14:34] <charl> ok got sabnzbd working and running but the web interface is extremely slow
[14:38] <charl> ok it's downloading, let's see what happerns
[15:13] <charl> any of you people using chromium?
[15:13] <charl> i find that very often i can't play any videos from youtube
[15:13] <charl> when i launch firefox they all play fine
[15:14] <charl> but firefox is extremely slow so i prefer to use chromium instead
[15:18] <Trixar_za> It kind of turned into bloat recently though
[15:18] <Trixar_za> So did Firefox for that matter
[15:21] <charl> still seems much faster to me than firefox
 we'd have to submit a ticket
[15:32] <Kilos> funny things in the it world hey
[15:35] <Kilos> one used to buy tickets in the old days
[15:37] <Trixar_za> charl: Only because it caches and pre-fetches like a common ho
[15:37] <Kilos> ohi Trixar_za
[15:37] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[15:38] <charl> lol
[15:38] <Trixar_za> I'd watch out for that one though, it might be carrying somebody else's baby
[15:38] <charl> no i meant in terms of local performance not network performance
[15:38] <charl> whahahahah that is hilarious though
[15:39] <charl> but i still want to know... what's up with youtube
[15:39] <charl> nobody else had this problem? only me?
[15:48] <Squirm> hey Trixar_za
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[15:49] <Squirm> Current Conditions
[15:49] <Squirm> Outside Temperature	3.8°C
[15:49] <Squirm> Wind Chill	2.2°C
[15:49] <Squirm> :(
[15:49] <Squirm> updated 17:30
[15:49] <Trixar_za> Well, that's a good reason to be in bed with somebody else
[15:49] <Kilos> eish
[15:49] <Squirm> It's been a good day then Trixar_za
[15:49] <Trixar_za> I once told a girl (quite seriously) that I only loved her for her body heat.
[15:50] <Trixar_za> Man do I miss youth
[15:50] <Trixar_za> I could get away with that crap
[15:50] <Kilos> haha
[15:51] <Squirm> Got my new Raspberry Pi yesterday Trixar_za. Tonight I test my brew code
[15:51] <Squirm> tomorrow I start
[15:53] <Squirm> and going to setup XBMC on one for my dad
[15:53] <Trixar_za> Oh yeah
[15:53] <Trixar_za> I asked the guys in buildroot what I was doing wrong
[15:53] <Trixar_za> and I can now build with it :P
[15:53] <Kilos> great Trixar_za
[15:53] <Trixar_za> I just don't have data to download it yet :(
[15:53] <Squirm> and then one will be for the continuous update of our weather to the net
[15:54] <Squirm> cool
[15:54] <Trixar_za> You should use it to homebrew your own linux for Raspberry Pi
[15:54] <Trixar_za> there are a bunch of tutorials for it on the internet
[15:54] <Squirm> Trixar_za: or I can use the 200mb image I just downloaded
[15:55] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but it's always more fun to do it yourself
[15:55] <Trixar_za> Also, you feel more like a man afterwards and that's scientifically proven to attract women
[15:56] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Squirm> Trixar_za: she has a shirt that has "Bazinga" :/
[15:56] <Squirm> I don't even have one of them
[15:56] <Trixar_za> Oo
[15:56] <Trixar_za> Want
[15:56] <Trixar_za> the shirt, not the girl
[15:57] <Trixar_za> Although if she's not wearing a bra, it would be a bonus
[15:57] <Trixar_za> But seriously, I want a Bazinga shirt
[15:58] <Squirm> ikr
[15:58] <Squirm> :/
[15:58] <kbmonkey> hello :)
[15:58] <Squirm> either that or a Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock shirt
[15:58] <Squirm> with all the arrows and stufs
[15:59] <Squirm> hey kbmonkey
[15:59] <Squirm> weather updates in 1min
[15:59]  * Squirm waits
[16:00] <kbmonkey> hello Squirm !
[16:00] <Trixar_za> "You've fallen victim to yet another of my classic pranks"
[16:00] <Trixar_za> He only started using it in like season 3 though
[16:01] <Trixar_za> ... and I still have trouble getting over the unaired pilot
[16:01] <Squirm> :/
[16:01] <Squirm> I had forgotten about that
[16:01] <Squirm> DAMN YOU
[16:02] <Trixar_za> WHAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:40] <nlsthzn> stupid bloody job
[16:40] <nlsthzn> *sigh*
[16:40] <charl> great, sabnzbd works perfect
[16:41] <georgl> cool
[16:41] <charl> thanks georgl
[16:41] <georgl> well supported
[16:41] <georgl> next look at sickbeard
[16:42] <charl> for automatically downloading stuff?
[16:42] <charl> i think i'll do it manually for the moment
[16:42] <georgl> charl who are you using for nzb search?
[16:42] <georgl> yup
[16:42] <georgl> it works well
[16:43] <charl> http://www.nzbindex.nl/
[16:43] <georgl> ok
[16:43] <georgl> you can use my index as well
[16:44] <charl> where can i find it?
[16:44] <georgl> spotweb.gltech.co.za
[16:44] <charl> thanks
[16:44] <charl> i'll check it out
[16:44] <georgl> register yourself on it. and use it
[16:45] <georgl> it updates every 8 hours
[16:46] <georgl> laterz
[16:46] <georgl> munch time
[16:46] <charl> same here
[16:56] <Kilos> hang in there nlsthzn
[17:00] <nlsthzn> not so bad I guess Kilos ... it is just that incompetence can only be masked by luck etc. in the short run but in the long run it will come back and bite everyone in the ass...\
[17:04] <Kilos> lol
[17:05] <nlsthzn> we are having more and more little #$%^-up's and I doubt it will become less and suspect it will only increase making life difficult :/
[17:07] <Kilos> just try see where all the messups are originating from so you know
[17:09] <Kilos> i forgot what you guys do there nlsthzn
[17:11] <kbmonkey> that is not nice nlsthzn, sorry man
[17:17] <kbmonkey> guise, I am going to hunt down some food...
[17:17] <Kilos> ok
[17:21] <nlsthzn> unschooled worker making plastic :p
[17:21] <Kilos> ah
[18:16] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:36] <charl> i'm not so happy with this whole nzb business - it works quite nicely in the end but it's really really slow
[19:07] <charl> hi magespawn
[19:07] <magespawn> Hi charl
[19:07] <charl> how are you doing
[19:08] <magespawn> Good and you?
[19:08] <charl> i'm doing well thanks
[19:08] <magespawn> Cool beans
[19:10] <magespawn> New job is keeping me busy, that is why i am not here so much lately
[19:11] <charl> oh you took that job? nice! you working full time now?
[19:11] <magespawn> No still part time full time from the 1st
[19:12] <charl> wow congrats!
[19:12] <charl> you working over weekends too?
[19:13] <magespawn> Just saturdays or when needed, sundays are overtime so i get extra time off
[19:13] <charl> yeah a man needs some time to himself too
[19:13] <charl> or a girl to herself
[19:14] <charl> been learning how to download files across nzb today
[19:14] <magespawn> Indeed and for the family
[19:14] <magespawn> Nzb?
[19:14] <charl> yes especially if you have a family
[19:14] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB
[19:15] <charl> you can find a lot of stuff on http://www.nzbindex.nl/
[19:15] <charl> am using http://sabnzbd.org/ on recommendation of georgl
[19:16] <charl> need to get it set up and configured but once you got it working it works really nicely
[19:16] <charl> trick is you need a usenet server to download from
[19:16] <charl> my cable provider runs a usenet server but you can only download 50GB per month from it
[19:16] <charl> unless if i upgrade to a better package
[19:18] <magespawn> 50GB is a fair amount
[19:19] <charl> heh that disappears quickly :P
[19:19] <charl> but i don't need that much i'm just playing around now and learning
[19:20] <magespawn> Is there worthwhile stuff of usenet? I have never used it.
[19:20] <charl> i probably already downloaded about 30GB today as a test
[19:21] <charl> depends on what you're looking for ;)
[19:23] <charl> biggest problem is data retention
[19:23] <magespawn> Well i am interested in almost anything
[19:23] <charl> my cable provider's server only retains data for about 30 days it seems
[19:23] <Symmetri1> hrm
[19:24] <charl> hi Symmetri1
[19:24] <magespawn> Ahh so you need to grab what you want when you can.
[19:24] <Symmetri1> lo
[19:24] <Symmetri1> This Nairobi stuff is so screwed up
[19:24] <Symmetri1> and tomorrow I think the Kenyan military is gonna turn southern somalia into a parking lot
[19:25] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn charl and Symmetri1
[19:25] <magespawn> Hey kbmonkey
[19:25] <charl> hi kbmonkey
[19:25] <Symmetri1> I drove right past that mall yesterday though, at the moment sitting in Mombassa but things even here are pretty tense (very islamic town), I aint leaving hotel other than to go to Airport tomorrow to get to Uganda
[19:25] <Symmetri1> (I presume you guys have been watching th news)
[19:26] <magespawn> Nope no tv here
[19:26] <charl> i just read something on the dutch news...
[19:26] <Symmetria> magespawn large terrorist attack
[19:26] <Symmetria> on the most exclusive mall in Nairobi
[19:26] <Symmetria> 30+ dead, 60+ injured
[19:26] <kbmonkey> that is shocking
[19:26] <charl> http://nos.nl/artikel/553852-vier-nederlanders-gevlucht-uit-mall.html
[19:26] <Symmetria> gunmen are still inside pinned down by the military and police
[19:27] <magespawn> Hectic
[19:27] <Symmetria> and apparently they still holding hostages
[19:27] <Symmetria> this is why when Im travelling in any area of the world that has issues like this, I tend to stay out of malls frequented by expats
[19:27] <magespawn> Yup they do become targets
[19:28] <charl> i know there was tention for years between the kenyans and somalians
[19:28] <charl> i spent a month in nairobi back in 2011
[19:29] <Symmetria> *shrug* I practically live in Nairobi at the moment (and am actually about to move permenantly)
[19:30] <Symmetria> its not really the somalis where the tension is, its a specific extremist al-queda affiliated terrorist group in southern somalia
[19:31] <charl> hold on a second... i know this mall
[19:31] <charl> am looking at photos on google right now
[19:31] <charl> this mall was right behind my guest house, i visited there every day and over weekends
[19:32] <Symmetria> charl yeah, its a popular place for ex-pats, its upper class, expensive and generally only the wealthy kenyans use it
[19:33] <Symmetria> me, I prefer to shop at the more local places, better pricing and I know my way around Nairobi enough to do that
[19:33] <charl> i didn't think it was expensive but then i was a "wealthy" foreigner
[19:33] <charl> i dunno a lot of shady places in nairobi
[19:33] <Symmetria> charl yeah but if you compared prices in there to other places, you'd find it pretty over priced
[19:33] <charl> i was shocked to see the poorer parts how they look and the roads are absolutely terrible
[19:33] <Symmetria> charl lol, Ive spent a LOT of time in Nairobi, I know the city back to front and inside out
[19:33] <Symmetria> I know where to go and where not to go :)
[19:34] <charl> i didn't feel safe enough to just "go places" if you know what i mean....
[19:34] <charl> yeah you get the good parts of nairobi but you also get the bad parts
[19:34] <charl> do you know the ihub?>
[19:34] <Symmetria> yeah, though most of my time is spent out on mombassa road
[19:34] <Symmetria> at sameer business park
[19:35] <Symmetria> heh, if Im doing shopping, I prefer to use Junction or Nakumat
[19:35] <Symmetria> Nakumat is open 24/7 and you can buy anything from there from a tooth brush to a high end 70" tv
[19:36] <charl> i also frequented a centre with a lot of restaurants
[19:36] <charl> there was a convenience store too but i can't remember what it was called
[19:37] <charl> for some unknown reason i didn't take many photos during my month in nairobi
[19:37] <charl> but the food was sub-standard in general
[19:37] <Symmetria> charl, heh, you gotta know where to eat
[19:37] <Symmetria> there are some very very good places *if* you know where they are
[19:37] <charl> the best was the "real" kenyan food
[19:37] <charl> go where the locals go
[19:38] <Symmetria> (Cedar's is very good lebanese food, and there is an amazing brazillian place where suprisingly you'll find more kenyans than foreigners)
[19:38] <charl> i thought the internet in kenya was pretty fast compared to south africa
[19:38] <charl> but the latency was sky-high
[19:38] <Symmetria> the food in Mercury in ABC Plaza aint bad as well
[19:38] <Symmetria> charl, heh, not anymore, and it depends on which provider
[19:38] <charl> i remember eating at an ethiopian place that is awesome
[19:38] <Symmetria> I've been working on fixing it ;p
[19:38] <charl> lemme find the provider
[19:40] <charl> http://www.zuku.co.ke/
[19:40] <charl> they were routing everything via india
[19:41] <charl> and the ping to europe and especially the usa was insane
[19:41] <charl> like 1sec+
[19:41] <charl> i also had safaricom 3g which at the time had an unlimited data package and they routed via italy
[19:41] <charl> but was still extremely slow
[19:41] <Symmetria> heh thats actually good news for us, because zuku is competition
[19:42] <charl> they were providing internet access to the ihub
[19:42] <Symmetria> I've pretty much rebuilt a large part of the kdn (now liquid telecomms kenya) network in the last 6 months and bigger and bette rthings coming shortly
[19:42] <charl> it was part of the http://www.wananchi.com/
[19:42] <charl> sounds promising
[19:42] <Symmetria> --- www.bbc.net.uk ping statistics ---
[19:42] <Symmetria> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9012ms
[19:42] <Symmetria> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 144.661/144.889/145.173/0.491 ms
[19:43] <Symmetria> and 54ms to south africa
[19:43] <charl> 144ms i guess is reasonable
[19:43] <Symmetria> (I pulled up a 1gig connection to south africa directly, becoming the first provider to actually keep traffic on continent instead of routing it via europe)
[19:43] <charl> lol that is absolutely terrible
[19:43] <Symmetria> charl, 144 is as low as it can get based on distance
[19:44] <charl> i mean good for you but terrible for africa
[19:44] <charl> yeah ping between here (western europe) and the usa is also about that
[19:44] <charl> or i think a little less, 100ms
[19:45] <Symmetria> heh, its pretty easy to calculate, 1ms per 100 kilometers of fiber roughly
[19:45] <Symmetria> (since light moves slower through glass than through air, at about 2/3rds the speed)
[19:46] <charl> here was the speed test at the ihub that i did http://www.speedtest.net/result/1472108340.png
[19:46] <charl> note the date though
[19:46] <charl> 2+ years ago
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh, if I run a speed test from our offices I'd be cheating, that server sits in the dc next door ;p
[19:47] <charl> lol
[19:47] <charl> then you'll get 1gbps probably or something like that
[19:47] <charl> whatever your ethernet maximises out as
[19:47] <Symmetria> heh but we also have a few gig to europe (and a lot more coming shortly)
[19:48] <charl> i would hope so, a few gig isn't much for an isp
[19:48] <Symmetria> heh, Im getting outta consultancy to accept a perm position with Liquid Telecomms as head of ip strategy
[19:49] <Symmetria> charl, heh, it is in african terms :) but we will get there, technically I could turn up another 12gig tomorrow, but its 2 expensive to turn it up till you sell more of it, not economically feasible
[19:49] <charl> hmmmm ok
[19:49] <charl> there is a contraversy surrounding the ams-ix right now
[19:50] <charl> for those who read dutch: http://nos.nl/artikel/553680-nederland-opent-deur-voor-nsa.html
[19:50] <charl> for those that don't, the summary is the ams-ix wanted to open up some type of branch in the usa
[19:50] <charl> and that would mean the americans can get access to the data going through the ams-ix
[19:51] <Symmetria> heh, amsix is trying to do a lot of strange things
[19:51] <Symmetria> they have an exchange here in mombassa as well
[19:51] <Symmetria> though its actually bs, because the americans couldnt spy on traffic going through the switches that werent in the states
[19:52] <Symmetria> since traffic switching through an ix doesnt work that way
[19:52] <charl> afaik the amsix and the decix are the two largest exchanges in europe
[19:53] <Symmetria> hrm, I think LINX is bigger than decix
[19:53] <charl> not entirely... the amsix opening an operation in the usa could open it up to american juristiction
[19:53] <charl> in some or the other legal way that i don't understand
[19:53] <charl> yeah but that's london, we don't consider britain to be european :P
[19:54] <Symmetria> heh at tenet I peered on both amsix and linx
[19:54] <Symmetria> heh charl, technically a very large percentage of traffic at decix isnt european as such anyway
[19:54] <Symmetria> well, its not western european
[19:54] <charl> nah linx is small, just look at this: https://stats.linx.net/
[19:54] <charl> no that's why they say the americans wanted in on it
[19:54] <Symmetria> people generally go to decix to hit eastern europe
[19:54] <charl> to monitor the middle east
[19:55] <charl> and eastern europe indeed
[19:55] <charl> http://pastebin.com/yMGTZ1PZ
[19:55] <Symmetria> heh, 1.4T isnt small ;p or 1.5T
[19:55] <charl> look at the amsix or decix graphs for comparison
[19:55] <charl> https://www.ams-ix.net/technical/statistics
[19:56] <charl> http://www.de-cix.net/about/statistics/
[19:56] <Symmetria> yeah but there is something you gotta remeber as well
[19:56] <Symmetria> amsix and decix graphs include PNI's iirc
[19:56] <Symmetria> where as LINX doesnt graph LINX provided PNI's
[19:57] <charl> no clue
[19:57] <Symmetria> they have an estimated PI traffic that isnt on that graph, estimated to be a further 1.5T
[19:57] <Symmetria> so linx total is 3T :)
[19:57] <charl> around the same then
[19:58] <Symmetria> yeah
[19:58] <Symmetria> anyway :) Im off to bed, gotta fly again tomorrow
[19:58] <Symmetria> ;p and hopefully the sheraton in kampala has better internet access than this damn hotel in mombassa
[19:58] <charl> ciao !
[20:06] <charl> wb henkj
[20:39] <magespawn> Good night  all


[19:20] <arraybolt3> Looks like someone just joined a bot account to #ubuntu (called 'gigabot').
[19:29] <el> looking into it in a staff capacity
[19:30] <arraybolt3> ty :)


[17:11] <mup> Bug #1701935 opened: Cannot commission or deploy trusty or xenial <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701935>
[18:02] <mup> Bug #1701935 changed: ntp install fails causing commissioning and deploying to fail on trusty and xenial <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701935>


[02:15] <linuxman410> anyone here
[02:16] <Unit193> No one here except us chickens
[02:17] <Unit193> Well this chicken anyway
[02:17] <linuxman410> hey Unit193 i am using fedora 15 now
[02:21] <Unit193> How do you like Gnome 3?
[02:21] <linuxman410> Unit193 like it better than unity
[02:22] <linuxman410> i only have one machine than can run gnome3
[02:22] <Unit193> I'm on Natty and I still haven't seen Unity...
[02:22] <Unit193> What do you use on the other one?
[02:22] <Unit193> One(s)
[02:22] <linuxman410> Unit193 other one is running xfce fedora
[02:23] <Unit193> I guess you really like Fedora...
[02:23] <Unit193> (Not to try to move you from what you like) Have you tried Xubuntu?
[02:23] <linuxman410> Unit193 i give up on ubuntu but will still use xubuntu
[02:24] <wrst> hey linuxman410, F15 is really good
[02:24] <linuxman410> wrst i love the encryption
[02:25] <linuxman410> wrst when compter boots it ask for password before u can get to login screen
[02:25] <wrst> linuxman410: I think gnome 3 is very good, I have been using kde 4.6 and like it also
[02:25] <wrst> linuxman410: you have grub password protected?
[02:26] <linuxman410> whole drive is encrypted
[02:26] <wrst> ahh gothca
[02:26] <wrst> that's just not worth it to me really
[02:27] <linuxman410> wrst i love it like  that
[02:27] <wrst> I just have no need
[02:28] <linuxman410> wrst i have used fedora on and off since very first release
[02:33] <wrst> linuxman410: its good a little bit of a pain if you need proprietary drivers, ubuntu makes that so easy
[02:34] <wrst> and linuxman410 I have gnome 3 and kde 4.6 coexisting fairly well
[02:35] <linuxman410> wrst most of my machines are old will have to run xubuntu
[02:37] <wrst> linuxman410: considered lubuntu I've found it to be much lighter, ubuntu'
[02:37] <wrst> s
[02:37] <wrst> xfce seems just as heavy as gnome 2.x to me
[02:38] <linuxman410> wrst xfce will still run on 512 ram
[02:39] <wrst> yeah so will gnome 2.x also I don't see much difference
[02:39] <wrst> now a vanilla xfce i think is really light
[02:39] <linuxman410> wrst unless it is fedora which requires 640 just to install xfce
[02:39] <wrst> well linuxman410 i gots to go i'm going to hit the hay early tonight talk to you later
[02:40] <linuxman410> wrst real quick what is vanilla xfce
[02:42] <Unit193> linuxman410: xfce without any preconfig
[02:44] <linuxman410> Unit193 like debian xfce
[04:17] <orangeninja> o/
[04:17] <Unit193> orangeninja: Howdy! Welcom back!
[04:18] <orangeninja> what's happinin tonight?
[04:21] <cyberanger> very little
[04:22] <orangeninja> hey cyberanger how have you been brother?
[04:24] <Unit193> Dang I keep missing things.... Nothing much is going on now
[04:27] <orangeninja> yep Unit193, i do too if i dont keep this term up.
[04:28] <Unit193> I just looked and forgot to respond... I'm more active in another channel
[04:31] <cyberanger> orangeninja: riding a roller coaster it feels like
[04:33] <orangeninja> hmmmm, i've been busy with work and family. trying to get back in the swing
[04:36] <cyberanger> orangeninja: if life is a rollercoaster, these look like more fun rollercoasters
[04:37] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/chesscoaster/
[04:40] <cyberanger> orangeninja: so yeah, I get life getting in the way of life, just not enough time
[04:41] <orangeninja> lol, good pics. I know the feeling....
[04:54] <cyberanger> orangeninja: I'm a fan of the glass chess set at six flags GA
[05:26] <orangeninja> lol
[05:31] <Unit193> I kinda want to do that... I may be going to Kings Island soonish
[06:41] <cyberanger> Unit193: I
[06:42] <cyberanger> 'd head to cedar point myself if I could
[06:43] <Unit193> I've only been there once and it was AWESOME!  Wrong window...
[07:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: that's most of here, and most of ohio, but the I'm by the lowest in east tn
[07:21] <cyberanger> so I quoted it
[07:22] <cyberanger> kinda stinks it's still kinda high (worse in europe, and elsewhere too, but still)
[17:19] <Juzzy> u guys ever been to satna clause, in?
[17:19] <Juzzy> santa*
[18:55] <wrst> Juzzy: no but I see the commercials for holiday world all the time


[22:23] <Bashing-om> Unit193: IRT https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide - After due considerations what is left to update is over my qualifications for the know-how.
[22:23] <Unit193> Bashing-om: Thanks, any efforts at all are appreciated!
[22:25] <Bashing-om> Unit193: the "recover" section should now reflect the use of kick and ban instead - and there are yet several dead and/or defunt links :(
[22:30] <Bashing-om> ^ *remove/recover - shows where my mind is :*


[01:04]  * NCommander stretches out
[01:11] <vorian> howdy folks!
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think the kdesudo patch is causing problems with the Time & Dates module, al la bug 267311
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually it's probably just the kdesudo not quitting issue
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> or whatever process systemsettings spawns not quitting
[04:04] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: For future reference, patch won't completely remove a file, it just leaves it empty, so if you want a file deleted, it's best to mention that to the sponsor.
[04:16] <ScottK-laptop> Heya bddebian: Congratulations on getting to the end of NM.
[04:17] <bddebian> ScottK-laptop: Thanks man
[04:17]  * ScottK-laptop notes that the Debian people think you run yourself down too much too.
[04:19] <bddebian> Yeah, yeah, I saw that :)
[04:20]  * ScottK-laptop wonders when you'll get the message.
[04:21] <bddebian> Likely never unfortunately
[04:44] <ScottK-laptop> Man kdelibs takes a long time to build.
[04:44] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I'll probably upload kdelibs tomorrow.  Out of energy for today and it's still building.
[04:49] <supertones> for digikam to work in intrepid i had to install libqt4-sql-sqlite
[04:51] <ScottK> supertones: They guy that's doing digikam would be sleeping this time of day, so please file a bug so it doesn't get lost.
[04:56] <NCommander> Who broke kdelibs?
[04:57] <NCommander> Oh
[04:57] <NCommander> bddebian, Nice job on NM :-)
[04:58] <bddebian> NCommander: Thx
[05:01] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Which kdelibs?
[05:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: If it's kdelibs for KDE3 in Intrepid, I'm test building the fix now.
[05:03] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah, that one
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger was blaming Riddell, but I didn't do my own autopsy.  Just testing the fix.
[05:06]  * NCommander mutters something about test building fixes
[11:14] <smarter> Riddell: do you think we could get libfacile-ocaml-dev(src package facile) in main?
[11:15] <smarter> Riddell: it's needed for Kalzium's equation solver which is one of the most important feature of Kalzium
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: can I have sponsorship for bug 266994?
[15:24] <jjesse_> good morning
[15:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where are the changes in okular/generators/spectre/rc_okular_ghostview.cpp from?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no clue, actually
[15:52]  * JontheEchidna didn't do anything
[15:53] <apachelogger> very strange IMHO
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: diff.gz sez:
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: tag string
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: file conf/gssettingswidget.ui line 28
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +i18n("General Settings");
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: tag string
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: file conf/gssettingswidget.ui line 37
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +i18n("&Use platform fonts");
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: tag string
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: file conf/gssettingswidget.ui line 28
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +i18n("General Settings");
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: tag string
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> +//i18n: file conf/gssettingswi
[15:57]  * JontheEchidna wonders where/how that snuck in
[15:59]  * ScottK-laptop will render a general observation that we've had too many careless errors recently.
[16:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: welcome to the new land of MOTU?
[16:01] <Hobbsee> actually, kde's always been less than optimal, w.r.t. that.
[16:01] <Hobbsee> it's probably just that those who could upload to fix their stuff, did so.
[16:02] <Hobbsee> and never mentioned it
[16:03] <ScottK> Could be.
[16:03] <apachelogger> ha!
[16:03] <apachelogger> how am I supposed to write an MIR if the wiki isn't working in Konqueror?!
[16:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Use Firefox of course like everyone who isn't using Chrome.  I did file a bug on that.
[16:04] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: did you note my blog post?
[16:04] <apachelogger> I refuse to install firefox
[16:04] <apachelogger> Konqueror is default browser on Kubuntu
[16:04] <jussi01> hehe
[16:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: got the bug number at hand?
[16:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: we need more people like that - so that it might get fixed
[16:05]  * ScottK looks
[16:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: btw, do you know how to make konqi display items as it loads them, instead of waiting till everything is there then displaying?
[16:06] <apachelogger> jussi01: nope, might be a KHTML limitation, I suggest taking a look at bugs.kde.org
[16:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Bug 259436
[16:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: thank you
[16:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's related to the new openID stuff.
[16:07] <apachelogger> I guess it should be reverted until it is fixed.
[16:09] <ScottK> I spoke to infinity about it on #canonical-sysadmin and he said he'd have someone look into it, but that they were on vacation.
[16:09] <ScottK> That was a while ago, so revisiting it would be good.
[16:12]  * ScottK fires a shot in that direction.
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: the lancelot one?
[16:18] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: yeah :)
[16:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: Do I have to list all dependencies in the MIR, or can I just mention that they are all in main anyway?
[16:20] <ScottK> If they're all in Main, it's probably fine just to say so.
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it's fine to say that.
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> Or at least, worked for me ;-)
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> Here's where the changes in okular/generators/spectre/rc_okular_ghostview.cpp came from: changes in okular/generators/spectre/rc_okular_ghostview.cpp
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> oops
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17220480/kdegraphics_4%3A4.1.0-0ubuntu2_4%3A4.1.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:41] <apachelogger> Does anyone know where the GNU tracks it's bugs?
[16:43] <goatsocks> apachelogger: savannah i think
[16:44] <goatsocks> http://savannah.gnu.org/
[16:44] <apachelogger> hm, not for dirmngr
[16:44] <goatsocks> maybe it's at the nongnu then
[16:45] <goatsocks> http://savannah.nongnu.org/
[16:45] <apachelogger> http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten2/index.html
[16:45] <apachelogger> neato
[16:45] <apachelogger> well, I can't find a BTS for dirmngr
[16:46] <apachelogger> http://intevation.de/roundup/aegypten/
[16:46]  * apachelogger is wondering if that also applies to ägypten2
[16:46] <apachelogger> interesting content anyway
[16:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's the same upstream BTS as for pinentry (don't recall what), so look at that MIR.
[16:47] <ScottK> Note: pinentry, not pinentry-qt4.
[16:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is the one from above
[16:49] <ScottK> OK.
[16:49] <apachelogger> and that doesn't look very active/moderated/useable
[16:49] <ScottK> That's about all there is.
[16:49]  * apachelogger states there is no known one
[16:49] <ScottK> These programs (e.g. pinentry, dirmgr) are pretty mature/complete.
[16:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: debian bug 459567
[16:53] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Built here, so I think it's not our problem.
[16:53] <ScottK-laptop> I'd mention it, but say it's not applicable to us.
[16:53] <apachelogger> ok
[16:55] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: The current on in Sid built, but it's also a new upstream release.
[16:56] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Perhaps we ought to look into a sync.
[16:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually the report is not about building
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> Yes and the current on in Sid built on hppa.
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=dirmngr
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> So the bug appears OBE to me.
[16:59] <apachelogger> Ok.
[16:59] <ScottK-laptop> The version we have built OK too: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=dirmngr&ver=1.0.1-3&arch=hppa&stamp=1203334145&file=log
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44238/
[17:13]  * apachelogger is getting something to drink
[17:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Rationale is the only thing I would change.
[17:14] <ScottK> How about:
[17:15] <ScottK> * Dependency of kleopatra which is seeded on the Kubuntu DvD.
[17:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: changed. I'll file a bug later on
[17:50] <apachelogger> "# The GUI was converted from Qt3 to Qt4 with many visual improvements "
[17:50] <apachelogger> Vbox2.0 ftw!
[17:51]  * Mandraky give apachelogger a cooky
[18:03] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ping, /query ?
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: PING
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I mean ping
[18:19] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: hey. can we do anything about bug 191844 ?
[18:23] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: probably
[18:42] <apachelogger> oh, btw, I guess we should switch to kdewebkit once it is useable
[18:42] <apachelogger> we probably would be pretty compatible with all of google ;-)
[18:47] <Artemis_Fowl> uhm, I have to go...
[19:26] <a|wen> ScottK: were you able to confirm if the possible fix added to bug 261840 indeed fixes your system tray issues? ... if it did, then throw a comment on the bug and I'll finish a debdiff for it
[20:38] <smarter> apachelogger: hey
[20:39] <smarter> apachelogger: webkitkde is pretty usable already ;) (even if it's certainly not ready to be the default)
[20:48] <apachelogger> smarter: go to kubuntu.org
[20:48] <apachelogger> ...argumentation done :P
[20:48] <smarter> ouch
[20:49] <apachelogger> exactly
[20:56] <apachelogger> woah
[20:57] <apachelogger> that code is pretty playgroundish alright
[20:57]  * apachelogger starts fixing it up
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: svn doesn't behave any better
[21:07] <apachelogger> and the context menu leaks bookmark integration
[21:09] <smarter> the context menu only has a reload action here :p
[21:10] <apachelogger> hm
[21:10] <apachelogger> somehow I had more options before
[21:10] <apachelogger> well, currently it fits playground quite well
[21:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 238195
[21:12] <apachelogger> doesn't happen on intrepid apparently
[21:13]  * smarter thinks he'll be able to release Kvkbd 0.6 soon :)
[21:14] <seele> what is the Zion color scheme?  is that the current default color?
[21:15] <smarter> current default is Oxygen I think
[21:18] <seele> what does Zion look like, i dont have it installed
[21:18] <apachelogger> darkish I think
[21:19] <apachelogger> no
[21:19] <apachelogger> actually pretty brightish ;-)
[21:19] <seele> the oxygen documentation says it is light colored
[21:19] <seele> it looks like what is labelled as Default is zion
[21:19] <apachelogger> ewww
[21:20] <seele> and what is labeled as Obsidian Coast is Zion Reversed
[21:20] <apachelogger> that colour scheme is awful
[21:20] <seele> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/ColorSchemes#Zion
[21:20] <apachelogger> seele: reversed is super dark instead of super bright
[21:20] <seele> yes
[21:20] <seele> it's the black theme
[21:20] <seele> but Oxygen isn't the default, it is darker than Default
[21:21] <apachelogger> seele: on kubuntu?
[21:21] <seele> yes
[21:21] <apachelogger> the default scheme is a brighter oxygen I think
[21:21] <seele> yes, and I think it is Zion even though it is mislabeled
[21:21] <apachelogger> no
[21:21] <apachelogger> it is inspired by zion, but not zion
[21:21] <apachelogger> zion looks horrible
[21:22] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot092.png
[21:22] <seele> oh wow that is way too light
[21:22] <apachelogger> *nod*
[21:22] <seele> that would wash out on a lot of LCDs and on projectors
[21:23] <seele> ok, so the Intrepid TODO item is null and void?
[21:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 267555
[21:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: The body of the report goes on the wiki.  The bug just links to it.  Looks good, though, just move it to the wiki.
[21:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: Can't do, wiki is broken.
[21:42] <ScottK> Right.  So I'd mention that in the bug report.
[21:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: initial line :)
[21:42] <ScottK> Right.
[21:42] <ScottK> We'll see then.
[21:43]  * apachelogger continues with the report for qca2-pluign-ossl
[21:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/44332/ if you could take a look please.