[10:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:48] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:29] <murthy> BluesKaj: are you there?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> murthy, yes
[11:32] <murthy> BluesKaj: Is the autospell check work in konversation?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> no
[11:33] <murthy> BluesKaj: This happens in quassell and libreoffice too. I think I know why
[11:34] <BluesKaj> murthy, ok , what's causing it in your estimation?
[11:34] <murthy> Quassel and libreoffice use hunspell for spellcheck in the background. If hunspell does not find the required dictionary for the selected language for spell check by the user then it fails
[11:34] <mparillo_> murthy: BluesKaj: If you think you know why, could you comment on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151
[11:34] <murthy> mparillo_: I saw that
[11:35] <murthy> mparillo_: I have been try to figure this out for the past week
[11:35] <murthy> First I thought this is only for Indian users
[11:36] <murthy> Can you guys do something for me to see if this gets solved?
[11:38] <murthy> Goto system settings-> regional settings -> "spell check" on the left panel and then tell me what is the default language set there?
[11:40] <murthy> mparillo_: BluesKaj  any of you trying ?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> murthy, mine's set to Canadian English which I chose in Konverstaion, so it probly reset from whatever the default was
[11:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: ok let me check if canadian english dictionary file is installed by default
[11:44] <murthy> BluesKaj: no the canadian english dictionary is not installed by default. Is you install the hunspell-en-ca package autospell check will work
[11:45] <murthy>  If you install the hunspell-en-ca package autospell check will work
[11:45] <BluesKaj> ok murthy, thanks , I'll do that
[11:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: If that solves the problem tell me, I will update this in mparillo_bug report
[11:47] <BluesKaj> not working yet
[11:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: did you restart konversation?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> let me restart
[11:47] <murthy> ok
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Murook, no luck , tried the word comitee ....no indication/underline
[11:51] <BluesKaj> murthy, ^ rather
[11:52] <murthy> BluesKaj: oh, let me check in konversation, I am using quassel right now
[11:54] <mparillo_> murthy: mine is set to American English
[11:54] <mparillo_> Want me to re-start knoversation also?
[11:55] <murthy> BluesKaj: autospell check is working in konversation. Can you try resetting the language in the regional settings and uncheck and recheck the autospell option in konversation?
[11:55] <murthy> mparillo_: no
[11:55] <BluesKaj> suddenly konverstion seems very sluggish
[11:56] <murthy> mparillo_: american english dictionary is installed by default. You could try to reset the default language in the regional settings
[11:56] <murthy> BluesKaj: strange
[11:57] <mparillo_> KDE regional settings in System Settings, not the language in the selction (<-) in konversation? Nothing improved when I switched the konversation to UK English.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> auto spell check doesn't work , but the manual "check spelling" in the context menu dialog does work
[12:00] <murthy> mparillo_: I mean the regional settings in system settings.
[12:00] <murthy> mparillo_: Did you try resetting the language in the spell check default language?
[12:02] <murthy> The funny thing is American IN was set as the default language for me, but after I changed to American english, the American-IN option disappeared
[12:02] <mparillo_> Just now, I changed to UK English and applied. color colour neither is highlighted. Should I re-start konversation? P.S. Like BluesKaj, manual spell-checking does work in konversation.
[12:03] <murthy> mparillo_: ya try restarting
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm dual booting so I'm gonna check my other install, bb in a few
[12:03] <murthy> ok
[12:04] <mparillo> color colour: It works. Now color is incorrect.
[12:04] <mparillo> Should I try changing it back?
[12:05] <murthy> mparillo: so autospell check works?
[12:05] <mokush> dolphin is being `kept back` by apt when I'm updating packges? any idea what that's all about?
[12:05] <murthy> mokush: in 15.04?
[12:06] <mparillo> Yes, in UK english, after I changed my system settings > regional settings > Spell-check language, and changed to UK English.
[12:06] <mparillo> I would rather use UK spellings than no spell-check at all.
[12:07] <murthy> mparillo: can you check if hunspell-en-us package is installed for you?
[12:07] <mparillo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151
[12:07] <mparillo> Sorry
[12:07] <mparillo> Installed: 20070829-6ubuntu2
[12:08] <mparillo> So, I will try to change my spelling language back to US English and see what happens.
[12:08] <murthy> mparillo: Ok can you switch back to american english and see if it works?
[12:08] <murthy> mparillo: also restart konversation after that
[12:10] <mparillo> That's funny, the original US English is missing from my drop-down
[12:10] <mparillo> Now the closest I see is American English (United States) [GB]
[12:10] <murthy> mparillo: ya, there is the problem for all of us, something is wrong in there
[12:10] <murthy> mparillo: ya, that one is also present in my system
[12:11] <mparillo> It used to say it was being used, but maybe it never was, because it was never really there?
[12:11] <murthy> mparillo: for me american english IN was present. after resetting it disappeared
[12:11] <mparillo> So I will pick American English (United States) [GB]
[12:12] <murthy> try that
[12:12] <BluesKaj> same on konversation  15.04 . of course it's also v1.6
[12:14] <mparillo> color colour: Color is still wrong with American English (United States) [GB]
[12:15] <murthy> mparillo: since GB varient is used doest it mean that the spell check is working?
[12:16] <murthy> mparillo: From my experience "American English (United States) [GB]" mean english uk
[12:17] <mparillo> Ahh, that explains it. It is certainly working. fgkjaf is flagged as is flavor. However flavour is correct. That means (contrary to my expectation) American English (United States) [GB] is not American English.
[12:17] <murthy> ya
[12:18] <mparillo> I can live with it, but I think some can consider it a bug). I will try to update the bugzilla, but I wonder if it is Kubuntu packaging then and not a konversation bug.
[12:18] <murthy> Now the devs have to give an Info of how these list is formed
[12:20] <murthy> mparillo: I have been scratching my head for the same question, is it an upstream or a downstream one
[12:23] <mparillo> It looks as if somebody re-assigned my bug to frameworks-sonnet
[12:23] <murthy> BluesKaj: Did you try resetting the language in regional settings like mparillo did?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> yes, as i said only the manual spellcheck works
[12:25] <murthy> mparillo: It correct the problem is not with konversation
[12:25] <murthy> BluesKaj: Can you try the solution given in the bug report>
[12:26] <murthy> BluesKaj: The fellow is suggestion to install aspell-en
[12:26] <murthy> *suggesting
[12:27] <BluesKaj> aleady installed
[12:27] <murthy> ya for me too
[12:27] <mokush> the spell checking issue is also in kate https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343313
[12:28] <murthy> mokush: nice find
[12:30] <murthy> BluesKaj: Did you try american english?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:32] <murthy> both in regional settings and in konversation?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:32] <murthy> ok
[12:35] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Can you try: "American English (United States) [GB]"
[12:37] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I did
[12:37] <murthy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonnet_(software)
[12:38] <murthy> My guess in there is some error in importing kspell's config files by sonnet
[12:39] <murthy> mparillo: Did you upgrade from 14.10 or its a fresh install of 15.04?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ok , got stuff to do ....bbl
[12:44] <mparillo> Fresh install of Daily Build of Wily (15.10)
[12:44] <murthy> ok
[13:03] <eXistenZe> Hey guys
[13:04] <eXistenZe> Are there any kind of paid linux apps/packages/software etc?
[13:04] <eXistenZe> Besides some paid distros
[13:07] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Yes, look at the Ubuntu software center.
[13:08] <lordievader> The Ubuntu software center offers paid applications, I mean.
[15:29] <foormea> hello. having a slight issue on kubuntu vivid. in my dolphin's "places", home/network/root/trash are shown 3 times. even if i remove them, they'll always reappear. if i add a custom entry, that entry will disappear
[15:29] <foormea> the disappearing/reappearing happens just a few seconds after deleting the double/triple entries
[15:29] <foormea> i'm on dolphin 15.04.0 kde 4.14.7
[15:34] <BluesKaj> foormea, are you removing or hiding , try the latter
[15:35] <foormea> BluesKaj: i could do hiding, yeah. but why is it showing up 3 times in the first place though?
[15:42] <foormea> BluesKaj: uhuh dolphin is crashing when i start hiding entries...
[15:42] <BluesKaj> foormea, which plasma version, 5.2 ?
[15:43] <foormea> BluesKaj: not sure how to check that. i did use the ppa to try the newer thing, but i removed it from apt sources later
[15:46] <BluesKaj> foormea, ok
[15:47] <BluesKaj> and you've updated/upgraded your packages etc
[15:48] <foormea> BluesKaj: i have
[15:48] <foormea> BluesKaj: how do i check which plasma version i use?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> foormea, in your packager manager/muon search plasma-desktop , it should show something like <IP_ADDRESS> in technical details
[15:54] <BluesKaj> err 4:5.3.1
[16:00] <foormea> 4:5.3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1
[16:02] <BluesKaj> ok then it's up to date, foormea
[16:02] <BluesKaj> sorry , I have to go
[16:22] <eXistenZe> hey guys
[16:22] <eXistenZe> is it possible to use 9p virtio to share folders with a kvm guest in kubuntu?
[16:23] <eXistenZe> this tut fail at the /usr/bin/qemu-kvm not found http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio
[16:27] <lordievader> eXistenZe: 9p is one way to do that, yes.
[16:28] <lordievader> eXistenZe: It is easier to use the second approach from your link, the virt-manager approach.
[16:30] <eXistenZe> ah f***... I thought those where two steps and not two alternatives
[16:34] <eXistenZe> how do you mount the folder in a windows guest?
[16:35] <lordievader> Does Windows even support 9p?
[16:35] <lordievader> I think you are better of with samba in that case.
[17:04] <eXistenZe> hum... messed up something at samba install
[17:05] <eXistenZe> when I enter nettwork->samba -> workgroup it now asks for a password
[17:05] <eXistenZe> which I did not set up
[17:11] <lordievader> I have never had any success setting up samba that way.
[17:11] <lordievader> Just use the good old cli way ;)
[17:11] <eXistenZe> I did not set up anything yet
[17:12] <eXistenZe> just installed samba with apt-get
[17:12] <eXistenZe> but I did use the samba network to access my other pcs with shares
[17:14] <lordievader> eXistenZe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide
[17:22] <eXistenZe> If setting up samba server conflicts with my LAN workgroup, I will have to find another method
[17:22] <victor__> hi guys, i installed a  plasma theme via systemsettings5 and now i want to uninstall it but i don't find the file, where is it stored?
[17:23] <victor__>  hi guys, i installed a  plasma theme via systemsettings5 and now i want to uninstall it but i don't find the file, where is it stored? (Kubuntu here)
[17:27] <lordievader> eXistenZe: It shouldn't.
[17:33] <eXistenZe> can't figure the password
[17:33] <eXistenZe> it's not the user password
[17:33] <eXistenZe> it's not the password set in the KDE configuration GUI
[17:34] <eXistenZe> it's not the password set in smbpasswd
[17:35] <genii> If you used smbpasswd to add a user, use it also with -e to enable that user
[17:36] <eXistenZe> done that genii
[17:36] <eXistenZe> does it need a full system restart?
[17:36] <genii> Not usually
[17:36] <lordievader> eXistenZe: What password are you talking about?
[17:37] <eXistenZe> in dolphin -> network -> samba shares -> workgroup
[17:37] <eXistenZe> it now asks a username and password
[17:38] <eXistenZe> I assume it's the samba server
[17:38] <lordievader> Ah, yeah. Never did anything with that. Not needed.
[17:38] <eXistenZe> It only started to ask a password after I installed samba server. Before it showed smb shares from other pcs
[17:40] <eXistenZe> plus kvm virt manager is still not accessing <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:42] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Is smbd running? And can you access your shares from other pc's?
[17:46] <eXistenZe> it is running
[17:46] <eXistenZe> gonna test the shares...
[17:48] <eXistenZe> nope... no shares
[17:49] <lordievader> eXistenZe: You cannot connect, or no shares configured?
[17:51] <eXistenZe> ok... gonna need n00b english here for that lordievader
[17:52] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Well you can get an error that it cannot connect to your server. Or you can get an empty screen since no shares are defined yet.
[17:54] <eXistenZe> oh... can't find the server
[17:55] <eXistenZe> since it's a windows pc I can only check if it connects to the ip or not
[17:55] <lordievader> eXistenZe: On the smb host what is the output of 'sudo netstat -tulpn|grep smb'?
[17:57] <eXistenZe> https://paste.kde.org/p1estu4j8
[17:58] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Do you run a firewall?
[17:58] <eXistenZe> nope
[17:59] <lordievader> Hmm, then you should be able to connect to the smb server.
[18:06] <eXistenZe> wait
[18:06] <eXistenZe> now theres a _MSBROWSE_ smb server
[18:06] <eXistenZe> and it has this machines IP, so it is samba
[18:07] <eXistenZe> but it only has a folder with my printer name?
[18:10] <lordievader> eXistenZe: That is likely. A fresh samba server has no shares configured. Configure them in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[18:10] <eXistenZe> I thought the shares I define in dolphin where also shown
[18:17] <eXistenZe> nice... working
[18:18] <eXistenZe> but I still can't acess my workgroup in dolphin (worng password)
[18:22] <lordievader> Did you give your user an smb password?
[18:24] <eXistenZe> yes.
[18:24] <eXistenZe> and it works for other pcs
[18:26] <eXistenZe> including KVM (just figured the problem: it was not using the default IP <IP_ADDRESS>, but a normal 192.x..x.x, just tiped the assigned dns server IP it was connecting to)
[18:33] <eXistenZe> still  getting "Access denied to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:34] <lordievader> What about 'smb://localhost'?
[18:36] <eXistenZe> it works
[18:36] <eXistenZe> it's just the workgroup that's got messed up
[18:37] <lordievader> eXistenZe: No, you use the workgroup as if it is an hostname.
[18:38] <eXistenZe> ?
[18:38] <lordievader> The format is smb://<user>@<hostname>
[18:39] <eXistenZe> but why is there a login to access a workgroup?
[18:39] <lordievader> ?
[18:40] <eXistenZe> I am asked the login when I open the Workgroup, not the individual smb machines/servers
[18:40] <lordievader> Perform an nslookup on the workgroup.
[18:43] <eXistenZe> step by step?
[18:44] <lordievader> nslookup <workgroup>
[18:46] <eXistenZe> weird
[18:46] <eXistenZe> https://paste.kde.org/pirvdgfii
[18:46] <lordievader> Hmm, no idea what it is doing...
[22:03] <runlau> join #ubuntu
[22:34] <regedit> where can i view Kubuntu's menu/launcher log
[22:34] <regedit> log or command history
[22:35] <regedit> need to figure out why its not launching a program with the arguments I am supplying in Edit Applications
[23:28] <regedit> halp!
[23:28] <regedit> i accidentally my /etc/default/grub :(
[23:31] <regedit> i have a whole UEFI setup, does that mean that file had special non-default settings in it?
[23:32] <Unit193> Shouldn't, sudo cp /usr/share/grub/default/grub /etc/default/
[23:34] <regedit> Unit193: thank you kind sire!
[23:36] <regedit> Unit193: i also had dual boot with the UEFI... still no biggie?
[23:36] <regedit> Windows
[23:37] <regedit> it had 3 options: ubuntu (default), advanced options for ubuntu, and Windows boot manager /dev/sd?)
[23:37] <Unit193> update-grub, see what it says.
[23:38] <Unit193> That file is just defaults, /etc/grub.d/ contains the scripts to detect that stuff, and /boot/grub/grub.cfg was the actual generated file.
[23:38] <regedit> Unit193: i see mention of all above options, so that means it's all good?
[23:38] <Unit193> regedit: That should mean it's all good™
[23:38] <regedit> :D ok
[23:52] <regedit> i am suffering from some Nvidia issues which are apparently fixed in a future driver version
[23:52] <regedit> is it possible to install such?
[23:53] <regedit> current Nvidia driver version: 346.59. Later version: 352.21


[13:34] <luna_> Any meeting today?
[13:34] <luna_> or still no irc meetings?
[14:19] <luna_> will be decided in 27 minutes if there is a translators meeting today or not
[14:35] <luna_> got moved to next week instead
[14:41] <luna_> gonna join a Firefox and Fenix meeting and work night now however *poof*


[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <justCarakas> good morning all
[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy No Socks Day! :-D
[08:00] <dpm> morning JamesTait and all :)
[08:00] <JamesTait> dpm, o/
[08:10] <dpm> mzanetti, morning! I sent you an e-mail re: the Evernote review. When you've got a minute, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/reminders-app/fix-1316827-reload-notes/+merge/218566 ?
[08:14] <justCarakas> james_w:
[08:15] <justCarakas> nm
[08:15] <justCarakas> sorry
[08:15] <justCarakas> JamesTait: no socks ? crap
[08:16] <JamesTait> justCarakas, FWIW, I'm wearing socks.
[08:16] <justCarakas> JamesTait: shame on you :p what an insult to the day :p
[08:17] <justCarakas> hi dpm do you know wat the status is on the nexus 7 ? :D
[08:18] <popey> justCarakas: can you be more specific?
[08:19] <justCarakas> popey: the app showdown price :D
[08:19] <popey> ah, the prize?
[08:19] <justCarakas> popey: that :p
[08:21] <popey> did you win?
[08:21] <justCarakas> I did, I made BE Mobile
[08:22] <popey> Congratulations!
[08:23] <justCarakas> thx popey :)
[08:24] <justCarakas> I have a lot of work to do at the moment, i.e. the website of my dads work, but after that Im gonne improve it and make some more apps
[08:31] <mzanetti> dpm: hey
[08:32] <mzanetti> dpm: btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/new-reminders-design/+merge/218686
[08:32] <dpm> justCarakas, we're getting the logistics in motion (shipment and Ubuntu installation), I'll send you an e-mail with an update
[08:33] <dpm> mzanetti, morning o/ yeah, I've not yet looked at that one. I need to finish off a couple of things and I'll get to it next
[08:34] <mzanetti> dpm: also, after this, can you please walk through the whole app and see if there's anything missing before merging the whole new design back to trunk?
[08:35] <dpm> mzanetti, so in that branch do you consider the new design to be complete?
[08:35] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah... found a small glitch in the notes delegate, will fix that asap. but for the rest I think we're good
[08:35] <dpm> oh wow
[08:36]  * dpm is excited now
[08:36] <mzanetti> it's not that much... just replacing the delegates :)
[08:36] <mzanetti> luckily the logic is not affected when doing such changes
[08:36] <dpm> mzanetti, when you say "anything missing", do you mean review the apps for features missing/bugs, or do you mean reviewing the design and looking that it' been implemented as per Lucas' spec?
[08:37] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, the latter, also, if you find something that still has the old colors for instance.... or something that doesn't look good any more with the white background
[08:37] <dpm> ok, gotcha
[08:38] <mzanetti> dpm: just your opinion if you consider the new-design branch to be ready or not. and if not, let us know what you'd expect to be fixed before going back to trunk
[08:38] <dpm> ok, cool
[08:38] <mzanetti> man... I really want that lego dragon
[08:40] <dpm> hahaha
[08:40] <dpm> morning ogra_!, sorry to keep asking, but we need to coordinate a store upload for Reminders with this. Has the seeds change in https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-seeds/add-quicklayouts/+merge/218405 been applied, and if not, would you know more or less which image could be the one to include it? Thanks!
[08:42] <popey> dpm: people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/16.changes 16 onwards has it
[08:42] <dpm> awesome, thanks!
[09:09] <justCarakas> alex_abreu:  is the new header already available in HTML5 ?
[09:24] <popey> t1mp: do you know when https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/217338 will land in the image? It's blocking a couple of long standing music app merges
[09:32] <t1mp> popey: I thought it is there already, let me check
[09:32] <popey> t1mp: i can't see it in the Empty.qml on my #17 device
[09:33] <t1mp> popey: ah, no it is not in our trunk yet
[09:33] <t1mp> bzoltan: ^how is the next landing going?
[09:34] <bzoltan> t1mp: it will happen today... i have some paperwork in my backlog for few hours, but in the afternoon i will fire up a landing ask
[09:35] <t1mp> bzoltan: cool, thanks
[09:35] <t1mp> popey: so if everything works well this week
[09:36] <t1mp> bzoltan: or is that too optimistic?
[09:38] <popey> bzoltan: its been top approved for over a week now, and is blocking two of our longest standing core apps merge requests.
[09:38] <bzoltan> popey: Got it...
[09:38]  * bzoltan puts aside the presentations and documentations and start landing for popey right away
[09:39]  * popey hugs bzoltan
[09:51] <dpm> morning oSoMoN - IIRC a while ago Browser, Camera, etc. used to appear in the translatable projects column here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview - do you know if they've moved to another project group in LP or if there is a single link I can use to point to all system apps?
[09:52] <dpm> aha, found it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps
[09:54] <dpm> oSoMoN, so the next question is: does the list in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps look up to date to you? Has there been any new system app being added lately or any that has been split and might need a translations update?
[10:02] <oSoMoN> dpm, let me check
[10:03] <oSoMoN> dpm, the list looks complete to me
[10:05] <dpm> excellent, thanks oSoMoN!
[10:08] <dholbach> JamesTait, do you know if 1297196 is being worked on right now? the app referenced in the description seems to be in 'published' state right now...
[10:11] <JamesTait> dholbach, I'm working on improving it right now - the app is published and available (because we removed the language restrictions when we switched back-ends), but the indexing and querying of anything other than English text won't benefit from some of the nice language analysis features yet.
[10:11] <dholbach> JamesTait, great - thanks for working on it
[10:12] <JamesTait> I had hoped to land it before I went on holiday, but encountered an interesting regression in the acceptance tests.
[10:30] <ybon> popey: 13:00 meeting, right? on which chan?
[10:32] <popey> ybon: #ubuntu-touch-meeting - and we'll have a hangout too..
[10:35] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, going to look at the new design now
[10:35] <mzanetti> dpm: cool
[11:04] <Aki-Thinkpad> morning all
[11:23] <dpm> morning Aki-Thinkpad, your first merge proposal got approved :)
[11:23] <dpm> good work :)
[11:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm, saw that
[11:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> a good easy first bug
[11:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> My goal is to do one bug per day~
[11:23] <dpm> mzanetti, I left some comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/new-reminders-design/+merge/218686 - I need to spend some more time on it (otp atm)
[11:23] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, awesome!
[11:24] <nik90> dpm: did you add the SDK ppa to trusty now that the devel branch is utopic?
[11:24] <nik90> btw Good morning :)
[11:24] <dpm> nik90, yeah, I'm on trusty and using the ppa
[11:24] <dpm> :-)
[11:27] <mzanetti> dpm... good catches! I was aware of the gradient in the NotesView, but would have missed the rest
[11:29] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, cool. Here's something (unrelated to the design itself) that I've noticed too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1316837
[11:29] <dpm> duplicated month headers in non-English systems
[11:30] <mzanetti> dpm: that's still because of the commented out sort(). but yeah, will enable that again.
[11:30] <mzanetti> dpm: by now I've upgraded to utopic so I have the qt fix on my system finally
[11:31] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, but why does it only come up in localized systems? I seem to remember I could not see duplicated headers when I was running the phone in English
[11:31] <dpm> or perhaps I was running a branch with sort uncommented
[11:32] <mzanetti> dpm: the ordering as we get it from evernote is arbitrary. if you're lucky and same dated notes come one after another, you won't see the header duplicated
[11:32] <dpm> aha
[11:53] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, added some more comments. Not sure why, but the activity indicator is shown forever spinning on this branch.
[11:53] <mzanetti> dpm: on the phone too?
[11:54] <dpm> yes, I'm testing on the phone only now
[11:54] <mzanetti> dpm: ok. will check it out. thanks for the review
[11:55] <dpm> np, I'm spending some time dogfooding the app now
[11:55] <dpm> so let me know if you need me to test anything
[11:57] <dpm> mzanetti, man, you shouldn't have shown me this, now I really want it to land in the click package we show to Evernote, this looks awesome!
[11:57] <mzanetti> haha :D
[11:58] <mzanetti> dpm: will do my best to get stuff fixed this evening
[12:01] <dpm> mzanetti, ok, thanks! Let's sync up later on and make a call on whether we can land this today
[12:04] <mzanetti> ack
[12:22] <popey> JamesTait / bueno is there a plan to support a single app having multiple versions active with different frameworks in the store? e.g. app based on bzr rev 10 having framework 14.04, and same app, same name, but bzr rev 20 having framework 14.10?
[12:26] <beuno> popey, there isn't, know
[12:26] <beuno> er
[12:27] <beuno> NO
[12:27] <beuno> I haven't been sleeping a lot
[12:27] <beuno> popey, we discussed it
[12:27] <beuno> I think it gets too hairy for developers
[12:27] <beuno> confusing for users (2 users download the same app, get different things)
[12:27] <beuno> and lets them and us be lazy about upgrades
[12:28] <popey> Hm
[12:28] <popey> There's a few use cases where this is valuable.
[12:28] <popey> I use this feature on iOS
[12:29] <popey> App requires iOS 7, I have iOS5, app store says "hey, you need this older version"
[12:30] <beuno> popey, right, what it may be doing is serving you an old version
[12:31] <beuno> but it wouldn't let the developer upload updates for the old version
[12:31] <beuno> AFAICT, I can only upload 1 binary to the appstore, and that's *the* binary
[12:31] <popey> ok, I'm not asking for the developer to be able to do that
[12:32] <beuno> I see
[12:32] <popey> but to be able to have multiple active versions of the app, across multiple frameworks
[12:32] <beuno> the active is what throws me off
[12:32] <beuno> :)
[12:32] <beuno> popey, nothing would stop us, technically
[12:32] <beuno> we'd have to think about it, discuss
[12:32] <beuno> and tweak a few apis
[12:32] <beuno> that's probably the answer you're looking for
[12:32] <popey> ok
[12:32] <popey> shall I file a bug?
[12:35] <beuno> popey, maybe fire off an email to the appstore developers list
[12:35] <beuno> so we can discuss it a bit before?
[12:35] <popey> ok
[12:38] <JamesTait> When it comes to the index, we'd need to tweak the package IDs to allow us to index multiple versions, but the framework filtering already exists.
[12:39] <JamesTait> This is something we've mentioned a few times, and I have a very woolly, vague idea of how we could make it work, but I haven't thoroughly thought it through yet.
[12:40] <beuno> JamesTait!  :)
[12:40] <JamesTait> Hi beuno!
[12:48] <justCarakas> heey Aki-Thinkpad
[12:48] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, whats shaking?
[12:48] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: this http://www.geocities.ws/kandorusa/Images/TjrDance.gif
[12:49] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: how is it working on a core app :D
[12:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, its actually pretty fun. David Planella is really patient and supportive
[12:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> that is a random gif
[12:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[12:50] <justCarakas> Happy to hear that :D if I didn't have so much idea's and so little time I would probably join one 2
[12:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, still working on your app?
[12:50] <justCarakas> they are shaking :D
[12:50] <justCarakas> well
[12:50] <justCarakas> I don't realy have time atm
[12:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> heh, Yah, i know the feels
[12:50] <justCarakas> have a couple of deadlines
[12:51] <justCarakas> oa the site of my dads work so I better get that deadline :p
[12:52] <justCarakas> how is your app Aki-Thinkpad
[12:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, I contacted MicroAPL, and they gave me permission to use their documentation :)
[12:54] <justCarakas> so when will it land ? =D
[12:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> let me give you some advice; do not download bridge construction set; way too addictive
[12:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> thank goodness I accidently just closed it :P
[12:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> uhmmmmm lets see; now that the game is closed, i'll try 1.0 for next week.
[12:57] <justCarakas> nice, looking foreward to it :)
[12:58] <justCarakas> wow it runs on windows 98 :p
[13:00] <kenvandine> dpm, that focus issue after content picking, can you reproduce other apps using the hub for picking?
[13:00] <kenvandine> like system-settings picking a background
[13:01] <kenvandine> or address book picking contact photo
[13:03] <dpm> kenvandine, let me try
[13:03] <dpm> ok, it was probably not the best time to change the interface of my phone to Chinese for testing...
[13:04] <dpm> thanks God for icons in System Settings :)
[13:04] <kenvandine> hahaha
[13:05] <dpm> so on system settings there is no focus loss
[13:05] <kenvandine> try reminders again
[13:05] <kenvandine> i can't reproduce it with reminders either
[13:06] <dpm> kenvandine, ah, could it be something related to confinement? When I was testing the branch, I did it with the Run option from QtC, which runs the app unconfined. I think you tested it by changing the qml files directly on your installed click?
[13:06] <kenvandine> ah
[13:06] <kenvandine> yes
[13:06] <kenvandine> that would explain it
[13:07] <kenvandine> the switching all happens with upstart-app-launch
[13:07] <kenvandine> so it needs to be known by upstart
[13:13] <dpm> aha, cool
[13:14] <dpm> kenvandine, I'm still puzzled by that image failing. It looked ok to me and I can see it in the gallery and all. Any ideas what could have gone wrong?
[13:14] <kenvandine> no idea
[13:14] <kenvandine> it is puzzling
[13:14] <kenvandine> it looks fine to me
[13:15] <kenvandine> the failure seems to be in whatever code is sending the photo to evernote
[13:15] <kenvandine> i'm guessing there is some resizing or something going on
[13:15] <kenvandine> it's clearly after the content-hub is done with it
[13:16] <dpm> so you mean it's the app, or something else?
[13:17] <kenvandine> i think so
[13:18] <kenvandine> i think that happens in SaveNoteJob
[13:18] <kenvandine> something like that
[13:18] <kenvandine> there is nothing in the hub that looks at the contents of the file
[13:29] <mzanetti> t1mp: hey, you said there would be the possibility to place a self defined item in the removable place of the listitems
[13:29] <mzanetti> can't find it in the docs
[13:30] <t1mp> mzanetti: maybe someone else said that? I don't know of such a feature
[13:30] <mzanetti> t1mp: ok. then I probably understood you wrong
[13:30] <dpm> ok, thanks for the pointer kenvandine, will investigate
[13:30] <mzanetti> no prob
[13:31] <kenvandine> dpm, no problem
[13:31] <t1mp> renato_: ^ can you help mzanetti ?
[13:32] <renato_> mzanetti, I need to check the code if this still possible , I thought this was deprecated
[13:35] <mzanetti> renato_: you mean the whole removable thing or just putting own items in there?
[13:36] <renato_> mzanetti, change the item that appears on the background
[13:40] <dpm> kenvandine, renato_, I'm looking at the list of translatable apps in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps and I've noticed sync-monitor and content-hub are not set up for translation. Do they need to be? Do they have any visible strings?
[13:41] <kenvandine> dpm, current trunk of content-hub doesn't... but we have a branch landing soon that has a couple strings
[13:41] <kenvandine> dpm, so soon :)
[13:42] <dpm> kenvandine, ok, cool
[13:45] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm, what is [QA]?
[13:45] <dpm> kalikiana_, t1mp, the UI toolkit has been translatable for quite a while at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/, but I've never seen the most visible string ("Back" in the toolbar) translated. Do you know if we're actually shipping any of those translations (.mo files) at all?
[13:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> [QA] in the bug list?
[13:46] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, Quality Assurance. We use a tool called autopilot for integration tests, which are run automatically before a merge proposal is approved. I added [QA] to bugs that indicate that we need to write a test for a particular feature or workflow
[13:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Ah interesting
[13:47] <dpm> you can see them under the tests folder in the source tree
[14:01] <mzanetti> dpm: hey, got a minute?
[14:02] <dpm> mzanetti, sure, I've reserved time for reminders, today :)
[14:02] <mzanetti> ah, perfect
[14:02] <mzanetti> dpm: so, I'm implementing the marking reminder as done
[14:02] <mzanetti> dpm: I've did what Lucas suggested, moving those to the bottom of the list
[14:02] <mzanetti> dpm: however, it looks bad
[14:03] <mzanetti> 'cause it gives us all the section headers multiple times
[14:03] <mzanetti> and makes the whole list quite confusing
[14:03] <kalikiana_> dpm: I suspect it can't actually work since we don't install the .mo and it's i18n.tr("Back") which would pull it in from the app's domain
[14:03] <mzanetti> well, I could try to group them under the header "done" or similar
[14:04] <kalikiana_> dpm: there's an item about localization in elopio's test plan
[14:04] <kalikiana_> ap is always english
[14:04] <kalikiana_> so it's not easy to test this
[14:04] <dpm> mzanetti, I think either "Done" or nuke them from the list might work
[14:05] <dpm> although removing them might be a bit too much, in case someone needs to re-set a reminder
[14:05] <zsombi> nik90: howdy sire!
[14:06] <zsombi> nik90: just wanted you to know that I'm back on the convergence bugs!
[14:06] <nik90> zsombi: ooh awesome
[14:06] <nik90> thnx
[14:06] <dpm> kalikiana_, yeah, but testing is the second phase, I'd say. If they're not installed, the first thing to do is for the package to install them
[14:07] <zsombi> nik90: so I'll take the #1298886 first, then the #1300668
[14:07] <nik90> zsombi: can you link me pls
[14:08] <zsombi> nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1298886
[14:08] <zsombi> nik90: and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1300668
[14:09] <nik90> zsombi: could you take 1300668 first since it is more important?
[14:09] <zsombi> nik90: wasn't it so that this was really incomplete? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1247457
[14:09] <zsombi> nik90: ah, ok, as you wish :)
[14:09] <nik90> bug #1247457 was incomplete as per the code submitted by the orginal reporter
[14:10] <nik90> zsombi: thnx
[14:10] <nik90> I used nested layouts and had a bug related to the visibility which I think is more related to 1300668
[14:10] <kalikiana_> dpm: well, apparently no human bothered to check it for months, so a manual fix without tests is pragmatically not going to be helpful
[14:11] <kalikiana_> this isn't something new :-D
[14:11] <zsombi> nik90: yep, ok, I'll grab on that... it's all exciting to get new stuff into layouts ;)
[14:12] <kalikiana_> dpm: and note installing is futile as long as the code is non-sensical and we probably have a few more of those
[14:14] <kalikiana_> I guess I sound a bit negative here… but as a semi-related example, we even had the toolkit gallery break all over the place and impossible-to-load components until we started testing that it works after being installed
[14:15] <kalikiana_> all of which had to be "manually tested" aka not at all
[14:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> geeze, I am glad we are getting a new file manager. Nautilus; a 1 pixel wide barrier to allow me to shrink or enlarge the sidebar? So annoying.
[14:16] <dpm> kalikiana_, right, I as a human I'm checking translations all of the time, and I'd seen Back not being translation, it's just now that I've reached the point where it bothered me and I had to ask :-)
[14:16] <dpm> *translated
[14:18] <dpm> kalikiana_, but this is not about a manual fix, this is about installing translations at all. I agree that there should be tests, though, I for one would love to see tests on localization
[14:18] <dpm> which we don't have on _any_ of the platform, unfortunately
[14:18] <zsombi> @all: just want to let you know that UI toolkit had switched to version 1.1 in Ubuntu.Components, all the other toolkit modules are on 1.0 yet, which is identical to 0.1. We had introduced the new versioning to be able to separate new components brought in by the toolkit as well as the API changes we will have for the existing components
[14:19] <zsombi> So, if your application imports Ubuntu.Components 0.1 that should be still fine, however if you'd like to use ComboButton for instance, you need to import Ubuntu.Components 1.1
[14:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm, http://i.imgur.com/pvzMb6r.jpg I committed to doing the bug that shows small icons as pixelated, but atm I can't get any images to show up.
[14:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> Can I submit that as a bug? I did a fresh branch today
[14:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> so i don't get why its not pulling the images properly
[14:20] <dpm> wait, I had that issue, let me remind myself of what it was...
[14:21] <nik90> zsombi: is the 1.1 version available for trusty phone images?
[14:21] <dpm> do you have the cache dir created on your desktop?
[14:21] <alecu> zsombi: is there api breakage for old components? also, is there a plan to change the framework versions for the new apps using this in the store?
[14:21] <dpm> yes, you do from the screenshot
[14:21] <iBelieve> zsombi, is the 1.1 version available on the trusty desktop, without a PPA?
[14:21] <nik90> iBelieve: hi
[14:21] <zsombi> nik90: nope
[14:21] <iBelieve> hi nik90
[14:21] <nik90> iBelieve: you need the PPA for trusty btw
[14:22] <nik90> zsombi: has the combo button landed?
[14:22] <zsombi> alecu: there's no API breakage there, 0.1 imports will be supported, only new components won't work there
[14:22] <iBelieve> nik90, ah, ok. I did not know that. I'll be adding the PPA now, then
[14:22] <zsombi> nik90: in the Utopic images, yes
[14:22] <nik90> iBelieve: yeah I wasn't aware as well.. I just added it today after talking to dpm
[14:22] <zsombi> iBelieve: no, so far only for the Utopic images
[14:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm, so bug, or is this something todo with the filesystem structure?
[14:23] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, yeah, a bug would be useful. But before you do that, could you create a note that contains a big image and see if that loads? I can see from your cache dir that you've got small images only, and I've noticed that these some times don't load as a preview for some reason
[14:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> it does
[14:23] <iBelieve> zsombi, ok, thanks
[14:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> I can create a screenshot of myself
[14:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> and that will be on there
[14:24] <zsombi> so again, import 0.1 will be there and will be the same as import 1.0 for all the components
[14:24] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, cool, this way you can test the camera attachments at the same time :)
[14:24] <Aki-Thinkpad> me and my squished face
[14:24] <Aki-Thinkpad> impressive that it works though
[14:25] <zsombi> nik90, alecu, iBelieve: unfortunately we missed the trusty release dates to turn the toolkit versioning, therefore we did the move now early enough, so for the Utopic image you guys can update your apps to import 1.1 / 1.0 versions in time.
[14:26] <zsombi> anyway, in case you need components like ComboButton, you will need to import 1.1
[14:26] <nik90> zsombi: true..I wouldn't mind switching my app to use 1.1 since I don't think there would be people still using the trusty images?
[14:27] <kalikiana_> dpm: dude, feel free to complain more then. actually we have some basic testing, but it's a bit fake, we have no actual app running in ap and getting the locale from the system… I can offer one thing, though my plate is filling up quicker this week than I can chew, I can see if the specific case of "Back" is fixable and we use that as a stepping stone to a
[14:27] <kalikiana_> long-term plan
[14:27] <nik90> Would you recommend the core apps doing the transition?
[14:27] <zsombi> indeed...
[14:27] <iBelieve> zsombi, but I'll lose my app's trusty userbase? And do people stay on trusty or move to the next version?
[14:27] <kalikiana_> iBelieve: they can use the ppa
[14:28] <dpm> iBelieve, I wouldn't worry too much about the phone, as effectively we're a rolling release there, but the desktop might be a concern
[14:28] <zsombi> iBelieve: I don't think that products will get released with trusty images. If yes, then we will backport the toolkit to trusty phone, anyway, the desktop will get the toolkit updates as the QtCreator uses it as well...
[14:28] <kalikiana_> dpm: if you don't mind, a bug report for "Back" would be welcome
[14:29] <dpm> kalikiana_, sure!
[14:29] <iBelieve> zsombi, dpm, kalikiana_ ok, thanks for explaining
[14:29] <dpm> no worries :)
[14:29] <zsombi> nik90: yes, I would
[14:31] <dpm> iBelieve, I think popey already pinged you about this, but when you've got a minute, do you think you could review Carlos' branches for filemanager on https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+activereviews ? They'd be the last step to close the transition from two separate repos for plugin and frontend and to ship everything in the same click package - thanks!
[14:33] <nik90> charles: ping
[14:33] <iBelieve> dpm, I let popey know already, but I tried to review them, and although I can verify the C++ syntax, I don't understand what the code is doing, so I don't feel qualified to approve/comment on the merges
[14:33] <iBelieve> dpm, my C++ skills are nowhere near as good as my QML ones :(
[14:34] <dpm> iBelieve, no worries, thanks anyway
[14:34] <dpm> kalikiana_, hm, it seems there was a bug for the installation of translations already and was marked as Fix Released? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1239627
[14:36] <charles> nik90, pong
[14:37] <nik90> charles: I wanted to check on the progress of https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/platform-api/hw-alarms-api/+merge/210592
[14:37] <nik90> charles: what's remaining for that MP to be merged?
[14:38] <charles> nik90, testing. Current timeline is for that and the sibling indicator-datetime to get a silo on Monday or Tuesday
[14:39] <nik90> charles: that's nice. I wanted to know the progress for my weekly meeting.
[14:39] <charles> nik90, :-)
[14:42] <dpm> kalikiana_, in any case, I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1317539
[14:43] <nik90> charles: also I just noticed that when I update an alarm, it is now properly reflected in the indicator-datetime :D
[14:43] <kalikiana_> dpm: it would appear that fix broke since then…
[14:44] <kalikiana_> you see why I'm stressing that we need a plan for testing it
[14:45] <kalikiana_> in any case I'll look into it
[14:45] <kalikiana_> thanks for the bug
[14:46] <dpm> cool, thanks kalikiana_!
[14:58] <ahayzen_> t1mp, ping
[15:07] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ping
[15:15] <ybon> popey: just to be sure, can you retry with the last master of AgendaView branch, with last suggestions from renato_, just in case it doesn't magically fix the bug as the get method change ?
[15:15] <popey> ybon: i will try
[15:15] <ybon> thanks
[15:18] <mihir> ybon: ping !!
[15:18] <ybon> pong mihir
[15:20] <mihir> ybon: can we handle that change in separate MR, https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1280598/+merge/218272
[15:21] <mihir> I'll push separate MR for that change in EventBuble
[15:27] <rpadovani> dpm, mzanetti https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/1316950/+merge/218829
[15:27] <rpadovani> (I suggest to read my mail before look to this)
[15:31] <dpm> rpadovani, ok, reading e-mail now. mzanetti, rpadovani, we've pushed the version of Reminders to the store the Evernote folks will be testing. If there is time, we might be able to upload the new design, but now we've got at least one version as a fallback that they can test
[15:34] <dpm> rpadovani, ok, read your e-mail, thanks a lot for looking into this! Yes, I learnt yesterday that there are no browser docs yet
[15:34] <dpm> rpadovani, for any UbuntuWebView questions, you can probably ask oSoMoN_ directly
[15:34] <rpadovani> cool dpm, thanks!
[15:35] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, could you please ping me when you have 5 minutes?
[15:35] <oSoMoN_> rpadovani, then ping
[15:35] <rpadovani> Thanks :-) So, I want to set default font in a webview to Ubuntu
[15:36] <dpm> oSoMoN_, it's about https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/1316950/+merge/218829
[15:36] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, I use experimental.preferences.standardFontFamily: 'Ubuntu'
[15:36] <rpadovani> but I don't find it in the doc, so I want to ask you if it is supported and if it will be supported in the future
[15:37] <oSoMoN_> rpadovani, do you have control over the contents that are displayed in the webview?
[15:37] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, it's for reminders app, we don't want to change the font in the text, but yes, we can
[15:38] <oSoMoN_> rpadovani, and setting experimental.preferences.standardFontFamily to 'Ubuntu' doesn’t work?
[15:38] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, yes, it works, the question is: will it works also in future?
[15:40] <mzanetti> dpm: rpadovani: re. will continue to fix the new-reminders-design branch. let me know if I should interrupt that for a review
[15:40] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, also because standardFontFamily works, but standardFontSize no, so I don't understand which property are present for how much time
[15:41] <rpadovani> mzanetti, are you fixing only things about reminders or all issuses wrote by dpm this morning?
[15:41] <rpadovani> (just to not work on the same thing)
[15:41] <dpm> mzanetti, do you have an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/1316950/+merge/218829
[15:41] <oSoMoN_> rpadovani, yes, it will work. Note that version 0.1 of the UbuntuWebView is not recommended anymore, at some point you should consider moving to version 0.2, which is based on oxide (i.e. chrome under the hood), and when you do so you’ll have to slightly change the API, but standardFontFamily is and will still be supported
[15:41] <mzanetti> rpadovani: right now the ones in reminders. but afterwards will get to the rest unless you did it by then
[15:42] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, ok, thanks :-)
[15:42] <mzanetti> dpm: I guess its fine
[15:42] <mzanetti> oSoMoN_: rpadovani: yeah. its on my todo to update that WebView
[15:42] <mzanetti> but it does some nasty things with experimental, so we can't just replace it
[15:43] <rpadovani> mzanetti, dpm so for now we can use my MR, after the update to 0.2 we will change if it needs
[15:43] <rpadovani> sounds good?
[15:43] <dpm> rpadovani, +1
[15:43] <mzanetti> +1
[15:43] <mzanetti> dpm: another bug we should report for future investigation:
[15:44] <mzanetti> it crashes on exit. somewhere in the accounts plugin. No idea if we're using it wrong or its an issue in there indeed
[15:44] <dpm> ok
[15:44] <mzanetti> probably our fault. I tried reproduce it in a simple test case and wasn't able to
[15:45] <dpm> kenvandine, mzanetti -> so we've updated the Reminders version in the store (including the content hub API update) and I'm now testing it. So it seems that it works well the first time I add an image from Gallery to a note. The second time, though, it stays forever like this: http://i.imgur.com/gOXycSd.png - any ideas?
[15:45] <mzanetti> dpm: not right now. its been a while that I last touched that code
[15:45] <oSoMoN_> rpadovani, mzanetti: when you update to version 0.2, you’ll want to use those settings to control the font: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7416721/ (just tested here, it works)
[15:45] <kenvandine> maybe priv.activeTransfer isn't getting reset?
[15:46] <mzanetti> but seems kenvandine had some good pointers already. will check it too once I'm done with new-reminders-design
[15:46] <mzanetti> oSoMoN_: nice, thanks
[15:46] <dpm> oh, is it only that to migrate to oxide?
[15:46] <rpadovani> oSoMoN_, cool, thanks
[16:06] <mzanetti> t1mp: hey, every time I'm using the removable property for ListItems, I'm really struggling with it, because it causes the model and the view go out of sync
[16:06] <mzanetti> t1mp: what is your experiences with this?
[16:08] <ahayzen_> mzanetti, i've used it before define 'out of sync'
[16:08] <mzanetti> ahayzen_: well, it removes the item from the view even though it is still in the model
[16:09] <ahayzen_> mzanetti, ah... i usually add onItemRemoved: { myModel.remove(index) }
[16:09]  * ahayzen_ thinks it is onItemRemoved
[16:09] <mzanetti> ahayzen_: right... but even then the model triggers rowsRemoved(index) and the view gets confused because it doesn't have that item any more
[16:09] <mzanetti> probably not really visible when just using the qml model
[16:09] <mzanetti> but with qabstractlistmodel it gets worse
[16:10] <ahayzen_> mzanetti, ah i've only used with with a normal ListModel
[16:14] <mzanetti> ahayzen_: well actually the problem is this: I get the onItemRemoved and in there I change the item's data. then the model updates that but the view doesn't paint it any more
[16:15] <mzanetti> t1mp: imo this would be better off with just emitting the singal so the user (well, developer) needs to do the actual removal himself.
[16:15] <ahayzen_> mzanetti, hmm strange probably one for Tim to look at
[16:15] <mzanetti> would allow it to be used with other use cases as well, such as marking as done etc
[16:17]  * mzanetti creates his own removable item :/
[16:18] <ahayzen_> mzanetti, thats wht we have at the moment ;) lol
[16:32] <t1mp> mzanetti: I haven't really used it or worked on removing of list items. ahayzen_ has :) and renato_, best ask them
[16:32]  * ahayzen_ hides
[16:32] <ahayzen_> t1mp, quick question... do you know about the future feature of sliding a listitem to reveal the actions?
[16:33] <renato_> mzanetti, about the question related with the removable item you can use: backgroundIndicator
[16:33] <t1mp> ahayzen_: sorry I don't know anything about that
[16:34] <renato_> you can replace the removable icon in the background
[16:34] <zyga> hey
[16:34] <dpm> popey, in case you need to recreate the kit manually: http://i.imgur.com/vkrFL6H.png
[16:34] <zyga> I'd like to run qmlscene from adb shell
[16:34] <zyga> to try out some examples
[16:34] <ahayzen_> t1mp, ah ok we were in discussions with the design team today, something u guys will be adding in the future but we're gonna have a crack at making as it resolves alot of issues for us
[16:34] <zyga> what is the best way to do that?
[16:35] <zyga> (just adb shell-ing in and doing that doesn't seem to work, qmlscene crashes)
[16:35] <mzanetti> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/new-reminders-design/+merge/218686
[16:35] <renato_> mzanetti, but this probably will change since the designers changed the removable icon completely
[16:35] <dpm> zyga, have you tried using Qt Creator's run option? That should copy over your project and execute qmlscene for you
[16:35] <renato_> mzanetti,  s/icon/item
[16:35] <mzanetti> renato_: well... the biggest issue I have is that it makes the model and view go out of sync
[16:36] <dpm> mzanetti, awesome, pulling...
[16:36] <zyga> dpm: ideally I'd like to understand how that works so that I can run it myself, the final use case cannot rely on users clicking on qt creator
[16:36] <ahayzen_> t1mp, and was there anything i needed to do with my MP or do i just need to wait? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1315775/+merge/218206
[16:36] <mzanetti> renato_: have you done that implementation? or will you do the new one?
[16:36] <renato_> mzanetti, I did that
[16:36] <renato_> mzanetti, what is the problem?
[16:36]  * zyga looks that --desktop_file_hint seems to be important
[16:36] <mzanetti> renato_: my suggestion would be to not actually remove it from the view, but only emit the signal, so the developer can take care himself about removing it from the model
[16:37] <popey> renato_ / bfiller is https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1309041/+merge/216395 on your landing plan?
[16:37] <mzanetti> renato_: right now I don't want to really remove it, but only mark the item as done.
[16:37] <popey> (sorry if I asked you this before, tracking a lot of these)
[16:37] <renato_> mzanetti, it does not not remove the item, it only make it small (height = 0)
[16:37] <dpm> zyga, you can have a look at the output window in QtC, I think that even mentions which script is executed - perhaps that can help
[16:37] <renato_> mzanetti, and there is a signal you need to connect if you want to remove from the model
[16:37] <zyga> dpm: thanks
[16:38] <mzanetti> renato_: yeah... but if I don't want to remove it, its still invisible
[16:38] <dpm> zyga, otherwise zbenjamin is the QtC expert, he might be able to help if he's not finished his day already
[16:38] <mzanetti> renato_: my design spec says to use the removable pattern to mark an entry as done
[16:38] <renato_> mzanetti, ok do you want a function to revert the removal
[16:38] <bfiller> popey: yes
[16:38] <popey> bfiller: ETA?
[16:39] <mzanetti> renato_: I guess that should do... but I think if you're doing it new again, it'll be better to not even remove it
[16:39] <bfiller> requesting now
[16:39] <popey> k, ta
[16:39] <renato_> mzanetti, but we do not remove it :D
[16:39] <mzanetti> renato_: well.. not change it
[16:39] <renato_> mzanetti, we need to the animation
[16:39] <renato_> s/to/do
[16:40] <mzanetti> renato_: then the developer should remove it from the model and use removeDisplaced on the listview
[16:40] <renato_> mzanetti, we have a function already "cancelItemRemoval()"
[16:41] <mzanetti> renato_: yep. but that only works if confirmRemoval is true, which in my case doesn't really fit either
[16:41] <mzanetti> renato_: anyways... not critical right now... just saying, if you do it again anyways because design changes, that might be some use cases to consider
[16:42] <mzanetti> renato_: I will find my way around it for now
[16:42] <renato_> mzanetti, yes probably we will need re-factory the item since we need to consider left and right swipe as different actions
[16:43] <renato_> and we can have more then one action in the right swipe
[16:44] <rpadovani> dpm, your issues are fixed ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/little-fixes-new-design/+merge/218845
[16:44] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ^^
[16:44] <mzanetti> renato_: just for reference, this is my use case: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1EAokX1bXN5HG6B1MxxuYWiGbf3pjNdy7-h7aERBFk5k/edit#heading=h.ir8fp0hhn8rt
[16:45] <mzanetti> renato_: check out the "reminders view"
[16:45] <dpm> rpadovani, \o/
[16:45] <mzanetti> rpadovani: nice°
[16:45] <mzanetti> s/°/!/
[16:47] <renato_> mzanetti, your use case is mark the reminder as done if it was swiped?
[16:47] <mzanetti> yes
[16:48] <renato_> mzanetti, why you can not capture the signal item removed and instead remove it from the model mark it as done?
[16:48] <mzanetti> renato_: I don't need to remove it, but change the data so that sorting puts it on the end of the list
[16:48] <renato_> mzanetti, ok understood
[16:50] <renato_> mzanetti, yes, as temporary solution you can reset the item.height to units.gu(6)
[16:59] <mzanetti> renato_: thanks. that seems to do
[16:59] <zyga> dpm: using the SDK, I cannot create a "kit" for the device I have attached, clicking the 'autocreate' button does nothing
[17:00] <renato_> mzanetti, maybe you need to call "cancelItemRemoval" too to reset some internal variables
[17:00] <zyga> dpm: also, the device seems to be miss-detected, I'm working on nexus 7 (2013) and the display seems to indicate this is a nexus 4
[17:00] <renato_> the correct would be the "cancelItemRemoval()" reset the item height
[17:02] <renato_> mzanetti, I will send a patch for that
[17:02] <mzanetti> cool, thanks
[17:06] <dpm> rpadovani, commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/little-fixes-new-design/+merge/218845 - I hope it's not too much nitpicking!
[17:11] <rpadovani> dpm done ;-)
[17:11] <dpm> wth, you're quick!
[17:12] <rpadovani> dpm, I think have circular shadow is too expansive for the hardware on phone
[17:12] <dpm> ok
[17:12] <rpadovani> dpm, wait, wrong branch, 3 seconds
[17:12] <dpm> np :)
[17:12] <rpadovani> dpm ok :-)
[17:13] <dpm> rpadovani, while you're doing that, I've added another comment regarding the date to be closer to the chevron. Would you mind looking at that too, while you're at it?
[17:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> How do I set an icon for my app in unity?
[17:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> do I edit cmakelists?
[17:14] <dpm> also, it seems that branch has now been merged into the other one, should I be looking at lp:~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/new-design instead?
[17:15] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, you put the icon somewhere in your source tree (generally at the top) and you specify the name of the icon in the .desktop file. Have a look at the templates in Qt Creator
[17:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> thanks
[17:16] <dpm> zyga, sorry, I cannot help on that, you might need to wait until tomorrow for zbenjamin's day to start
[17:17] <dpm> bbiab
[17:22] <renato_> mzanetti, t1mp : https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-cancel-item-removal/+merge/218852
[17:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> ... yah I can't figure it out?
[17:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> Icon=Logic
[17:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> I placed the png file in every single directory
[17:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> named it Logic
[17:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> still won't show up
[17:45] <dpm> balloons, thanks for looking into https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-docviewer-app/ubuntu-docviewer-desktop-improvements/+merge/210866 - do you see anything that still needs fixing? There are some new test failures
[17:45] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, what about 'Icon=Logic.png'?
[17:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm; i'll give it a shot, but Logic was the literal name of the file
[17:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> sec
[17:46] <balloons> dpm, hehe.. same test still fails
[17:46] <balloons> I'll look in a few
[17:47] <mzanetti> dpm: I think I've fixed now all of the stuff. sorry for missing the comment before
[17:48] <dpm> mzanetti, oh, cool!
[17:48] <dpm> thanks balloons, gang65 is in #ubuntu-touch-meeting right now if you need to reach to him
[17:48] <balloons> dpm, is docviewer using cmake?
[17:49] <balloons> indeed it's not
[17:49] <dpm> balloons, it's not
[17:49] <dpm> it's pure qml + external plugin
[17:50] <dpm> which would need to be merged into the projecs as with terminal and filemanager
[17:50] <balloons> we need to fix that :-) *wink*
[17:50] <dpm> very subtle :)
[17:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> dpm: nope. ;_;  Anyways, I posted on askubuntu
[17:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> i figure i'll get an answer there
[17:50] <dpm> Aki-Thinkpad, good thinking, yes
[17:51] <balloons> dpm, :-) but actually, yes let's file a bug for it if it's not done
[17:51] <balloons> no rush, at all
[17:52] <dpm> rpadovani, that now looks nearly perfect, but the thumbnail shadows/gradient still look not to smooth to me: http://i.imgur.com/bEZZZL5.png - any ideas?
[17:53] <rpadovani> dpm: only idea I have is to start the gradient not from black but from a dark grey.. Unfortunately with 'Gradient' element we haven't much control. mzanetti, any idea?
[17:53] <balloons> dpm, well I'm not sure how to get docviewer to run locally
[17:54] <mzanetti> rpadovani: what control do you miss?
[17:54] <balloons> ahh, guess I can just ignore poppler then
[17:55] <rpadovani> mzanetti, to have a smooth gradient, how can I do. I set it from black to transparent in 0.1
[17:55] <rpadovani> with 0.2 there are too black
[17:55] <rpadovani> sorry, have to go, see you in couple of hours
[18:00] <xhoch3> hello everybody
[18:02] <xhoch3> this morning on my way to the office I tried to strip down an actual ubuntu touch app to its core to use widgets only
[18:02] <dpm> mzanetti, awesome, added a few more comments after testing: https://code.launchpad.net/~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/new-reminders-design/+merge/218686
[18:02] <xhoch3> I partially succeeded, as the the app compiles for both desktop and mobile device and runs on desktop, even deployment succeeds
[18:03] <xhoch3> now when I want to run it on the device it's says it can't find the executable, I assume it's a packaging fault
[18:03] <dpm> xhoch3, I think it was you who was asking about some issues with QtC, and afterwards it dawned on me: were you using an up-to-date version of the SDK (including QtC)?
[18:03] <mzanetti> dpm: that would be possible, yes. but shouldn't we really differ from the evernote website in such areas?
[18:03] <xhoch3> dpm, well, I think it was my fault, I installed Ubuntu 14.04 anew and voila, it works
[18:04] <dpm> mzanetti, actually I didn't know they did that, that just came to my mind (I assume you're talking about the reminders removal)
[18:04] <mzanetti> dpm: yes. they keep the reninders actually in place and strike them out
[18:04] <xhoch3> dpm, I thought it would be better to start with a fresh install instead of tricking around
[18:06] <dpm> xhoch3, ok, cool. What you're describing is a know bug, let me find you the workaround...
[18:06] <dpm> xhoch3, check out the workaround here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1312094
[18:06] <dpm> you will need to replace @EXEC@ with the name of your executable
[18:06] <dpm> bbiab
[18:06] <xhoch3> dpm, oh ok, I will try that
[18:12] <dpm> mzanetti, if you're ok with that and it's technically possible, I think I'd go with that. I think it's good if once they land in Done we have an option to remove them (unset) for good, otherwise they'd clutter the list and would never go away
[18:12] <mzanetti> dpm: we have an option to unset them. have you seen the new dialog for editing the time?
[18:13] <mzanetti> dpm: my idea just was to allow unchecking them again when flicking int the done section. what do you think of that?
[18:13] <mzanetti> then we would have the same feature set at the website
[18:14] <dpm> mzanetti, no, I couldn't find it. How do I access it?
[18:14] <mzanetti> dpm: in the NoteView, there is the toolbar button for setting it
[18:14] <mzanetti> where it alway has been
[18:14] <dpm> ah, found it
[18:14] <mzanetti> but instead of toggling it opens that dialog now
[18:15] <xhoch3> this does not seem to be my problem
[18:15] <xhoch3> Application output: No executable specified.
[18:15] <mzanetti> xhoch3: I think the configuration in qtcreator run settings is borked. go in there and add a new run config
[18:15] <xhoch3> I think it's a rather elementary mistake I am doing
[18:16] <mzanetti> I have that too sometimes lately
[18:16] <xhoch3> an*
[18:16] <mzanetti> dpm: lol. can reproduce the issue with the empty space now. it happens only when you have exactly 3 reminders
[18:17] <dpm> mzanetti, I like that for the notes, much better than before. But for reminders it's a bit difficult to discover. Let's leave that as it is, but I'd like to discuss a fix for the reminders stuck in the Done section
[18:17] <dpm> oh, I just hit the right spot, then :)
[18:18] <mzanetti> I'm a bit puzzled
[18:19] <mzanetti> dpm: what do you mean with "reminders stuck in the done section" ?
[18:20] <dpm> so if I've got a reminder under the Today section
[18:20] <dpm> and then I swipe it out,
[18:20] <dpm> it ends up in Done
[18:20] <mzanetti> yeah
[18:20] <dpm> If I swipe that same reminder in done, it goes away for a split second and then comes back with a vengeance :)
[18:21] <mzanetti> dpm: right... I've changed that by now that it goes back to being unchecked
[18:21] <mzanetti> dpm: but yeah, we can do whatever you want. I can also change it to unset the reminder on swiping in the done section
[18:22] <mzanetti> dpm: or directly remove the reminder when swiping without done section.
[18:22] <mzanetti> the closest to the Evernote website would be unchecking again
[18:23] <kenvandine> dpm, i think that problem you're seeing with content picking on the second attempt is actually a bug in gallery
[18:24] <kenvandine> picking doesn't appear to be charging the transfer
[18:24] <dpm> mzanetti, I think for now, what I would do would be to leave them in the Done as they are on the first swipe - and add a "Done" hint while swiping, and then once they are under done, a second swipe unsets them - and they get a "Unset" hint.
[18:24] <kenvandine> and i see this output from gallery
[18:24] <kenvandine> file:///usr/share/click/preinstalled/com.ubuntu.gallery/<IP_ADDRESS>2/rc/qml/MainScreen.qml:73: TypeError: Cannot call method 'leaveSelectionMode'
[18:24] <kenvandine> Elleo, bfiller:  ^^ have either of you seen that?
[18:24] <dpm> mzanetti, with hint I mean the text that appears "under" the list item when swiping, as in the design
[18:24] <dpm> kenvandine, aha
[18:25] <mzanetti> dpm: ok
[18:25] <mzanetti> kenvandine: thanks so much for digging into that.
[18:25] <kenvandine> and gallery goes to an empty page
[18:25] <kenvandine> mzanetti, np
[18:25] <kenvandine> i haven't fixed it though :)
[18:26] <dpm> mzanetti, I think we'll need to test that once it's done anyway, and I'd like to give it to Lucas to look at. We still need to sort out the reminders workflow (i.e. we still don't know what to do with the "Add reminder" button)
[18:27] <dpm> but having an initial design should help
[18:27] <mzanetti> ok
[18:27] <kenvandine> confirmed, i see the same thing when trying to set the wallpaper
[18:33] <nik90> bfiller: I tested the MP  https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-016/
[18:33] <nik90> bfiller: Do you want me to test the PPA as well?
[18:37] <kenvandine> bfiller, Elleo: not sure how eventView could be null there, weird
[18:37] <kenvandine> but it is happening when the selected tab changes
[18:38] <xhoch3> dpm, I have pushed my current state to github: https://github.com/cybercatalyst/ubuntu-phone-native-template
[18:39] <xhoch3> maybe something obvious is missing
[18:40] <xhoch3> I didn't integrate the uic, I simply ran uic mainwindow.ui > ui_mainwindow.h
[18:52] <dpm> xhoch3, ok. I'll see if I can have a look later on, I'm trying to finish off something else
[18:52] <xhoch3> ok ok, I am trying on meanwhile, np
[19:01] <rickspencer3> hi
[19:01] <rickspencer3> does anyone know if there are any restrictions on a docId string in u1db?
[19:01] <rickspencer3> for example,woudl this work?
[19:01] <rickspencer3> docId: '13_38.87_-77.045'
[19:08] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, sorry, i have no idea
[19:08] <kenvandine> does anyone know where StateSaver saves stuff?
[19:16] <jdstrand> popey: hey, do you know the author of 2048Native? it is nice! :)
[19:16] <rpadovani> dpm, mzanetti I'm back, I'm a bit lost, what there are to do?
[19:16] <mzanetti> rpadovani: I'm still fighting with that reminders delegate :D
[19:17] <rpadovani> mzanetti, good luck :-)
[19:17] <dpm> rpadovani, did you find a way to smooth the shadow gradient?
[19:18] <bfiller> nik90: it's all working for you?
[19:19] <rpadovani> dpm, ah, right. No, I try it now
[19:19] <kenvandine> bfiller, i think using StateSaver to save the selected tab index in gallery is causing problems
[19:20] <kenvandine> bfiller, is that by change part of the problem you mentioned with switching to the events view that was being worked on?
[19:21] <kenvandine> s/change/chance/
[19:21] <bfiller> kenvandine: think that is a new bug unrelated
[19:21] <kenvandine> i'm suspecting everything is fine until it saves some unexpected state
[19:21] <bfiller> kenvandine: sounds like a regression
[19:21] <kenvandine> then it breaks picking, because it tries to restore the tab
[19:22] <kenvandine> but it doesn't look like any of that code has changed recently
[19:22] <nik90> bfiller: the mp worked properly for me
[19:22] <kenvandine> basically it always switches to the albums tab after picking begins
[19:23] <kenvandine> which leavesSelectionMode
[19:23] <bfiller> nik90: if you don't mind installing from the ppa and trying again that would be great
[19:23] <kenvandine> but... it wasn't doing it until i got myself in some weird state :)
[19:23] <popey> jdstrand: good isnt it!?
[19:24] <jdstrand> popey: yes! I really liked the other one, but it would flicker a bit. my son kept reminding me that it is better on android :)
[19:24] <jdstrand> popey: now I can stick it to him :P
[19:24] <kenvandine> jdstrand, bah!
[19:24] <popey> haha
[19:24] <kenvandine> haha
[19:24] <jdstrand> we have a good relationship that way :)
[19:25] <kenvandine> does anyone know where StateSaver saves state?  i want to figure out what tab it has saved
[19:25] <jdstrand> seriously though-- it is very nice. I found the theme toggle ingenious too
[19:25] <jdstrand> kenvandine: btw, your pathwind is very cool. I really dig the graphics :)
[19:26] <jdstrand> kenvandine: you might be interested in bug #1288742
[19:27] <kenvandine> oh....
[19:33] <nik90> bfiller: sure
[19:34] <zyga> dpm: thanks! :-)
[19:34] <dpm> np, sorry I cannot help more :/
[19:35] <dpm> mzanetti, that crash you saw with online accounts... when did it happen? I've just had a crash after the first use - having set the account in Online Accounts and then selecting the app. It started fetching notes for less than a sec and it crashed
[19:36] <mzanetti> dpm: the one I see happens every time you close the app... you won't really notice without watching debug output, but we're not cleanly shutting down.
[19:36] <dpm> oh I see
[19:40] <xhoch3> dpm, I have it working
[19:40] <xhoch3> it looks ok
[19:41] <xhoch3> I had to chmod +x it though
[19:45] <mzanetti> dpm: ok... can you please give it another try?
[19:45] <mzanetti> dpm: the animation is still funky sometimes. but I'm giving up on that for now
[19:45] <t1mp> ahayzen_: sorry I didn't have time for your MR
[19:46] <ahayzen_> t1mp, no worries just wanted to know if i need to do anything to help it move along or just be patient ;)
[19:46] <t1mp> ahayzen_: I thought the MouseArea should already block events from going through...
[19:47] <ahayzen_> t1mp, seems that scroll events are being leaked somehow?
[19:47] <t1mp> ahayzen_: zsombi was doing a lot with the events and he wrote the InverseMouseArea, perhaps it is best if you ask him tomorrow if he can review?
[19:48] <ahayzen_> t1mp, ok thanks will do :)
[19:52] <kenvandine> bfiller, can you try to reproduce this?  go to events, select a photo to view then click back on the toolbar
[19:53] <kenvandine> bfiller, does that take you to events or albums?
[19:57] <xhoch3> http://www.pic-upload.de/view-23136307/CAM00319.jpg.html
[19:57] <xhoch3> http://www.pic-upload.de/view-23136309/CAM00320.jpg.html
[19:58] <rpadovani> dpm, could you give a try please?
[19:58] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/little-fixes-new-design/+merge/218856
[19:59] <rpadovani> I changed black with #383838, so is smoother now. I tried also other options, but no one convinces me. So I think this is best solution
[19:59] <xhoch3> other than the fact that I have graphical glitches it works fine
[20:00] <dpm> mzanetti, rpadovani, will test your branches now, thanks!
[20:04] <dpm> rpadovani, I'm not sure I'm convinced yet, but let's leave it like this for now to get the new design landed, and we can look at the small details later. Thanks a lot for this though, I think these small details really make a difference!
[20:05] <rpadovani> dpm, if you want you can try with other colors
[20:06] <rpadovani> dpm, I'm not able to change the shape of gradient
[20:06] <dpm> ok, yeah, no worries, I might have a play with it myself
[20:08] <rpadovani> dpm, ok thanks :-) This evening I give some time to my LoCo, but if you need something feel free to ping me :-)
[20:08] <dpm> thanks a lot rpadovani!
[20:16] <dpm> mzanetti, works really well! however, I've still got the issue with the top header section appearing offset from the top the first time I switch to the Reminders tab, and that was with 4 reminders now, not 3 :-)
[20:48] <dmiller309> In Qt C++, if I have a QTemporaryFile that I setAutoremove(false) and move out of the temporary directory, does that file become just like any permanent file?
[20:49] <dmiller309> I want to download data to a temp file and move it into the user's directory when it's done, but I don't know if I can just move the temp file, or if I have to copy all the data out.
[20:59] <dmiller309> Whatever, I'll just copy the data out of the temp file. Nobody's going to notice the performance difference.