[00:00] <f76> Ahh, I needed is install nautilus-dropbox as well. It wasn't specified as a dependency though.
[01:34] <rahim> hello
[01:35] <rahim> can any body tell me my os get restart after some time?
[01:36] <rahim> i am using dvi cable to connect my raspbarry phi to monitor
[04:06] <sudeep> After connecting mobile device through USB I am receiving unnecessary popups with a bit sound
[04:16] <sudeep> can someone address this issue ?
[04:27] <el> unlikely without further information such as what the popups say or some kind of reason the popups are deemed unnecessary etc
[04:27] <el> (i don't know i don't use mate, i'm helping you ask a better question)
[05:06] <widon> I report a bug, who can fix it
[05:06] <widon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601
[05:33] <kl_> sup fellas
[05:33] <widon> who can comfirm it.
[05:34] <widon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601
[08:20] <mate|24917> Can't install Ubuntu Mate 16.04 (from downloads page on Ubuntu Mate website) on a brand new Raspberry Pi Model 3 B
[08:21] <mate|24917> I found hundreds of other discussions with people with similar issues (from attempting to format from OS X)
[08:21] <mate|24917> Apparently Disk Utility doesn't see / read / write the partitions correctly?
[08:21] <mate|24917> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/solved-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules-on-pi-3/14952/7
[08:21] <mate|24917> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installer-wont-boot-blinking-screen/2926/7
[08:21] <mate|24917> There's hundreds of threads...
[08:21] <mate|24917> And everyone points to using ApplePi Baker tool to install img to sdcard (I was using dd, then tried ddrescue, both didn't work)
[08:22] <mate|24917> BUT ApplePi Baker tool is CLOSED source and requires SUDO access
[08:22] <mate|24917> This is a huge security risk for the community
[08:22] <mate|24917> There are NO instructions here for Mac https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[08:23] <mate|24917> From my conclusion, it seems that nobody can get Ubuntu Mate working on Pi 3 Model B
[08:25] <mate|24917> Here's another guide which is incorrect
[08:25] <mate|24917> https://fossbytes.com/install-ubuntu-mate-on-raspberry-pi-2-3/
[08:27] <mate|24917> I'd encourage someone to go in sandbox environment, install Charles Proxy, and monitor ApplePi Baker tool... You may be surprised what you see.
[08:34] <mate|24917> ISSUE: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=190875#p1223576
[08:34] <mate|24917> dd does not work anymore
[08:39] <m4t> access to raw block devices normally require root
[08:39] <m4t> mate|24917:
[08:39] <m4t> if you're that concerned you could boot into a linux live cd to dd the image
[08:40] <m4t> https://alternativeto.net/software/rufus/?platform=mac
[08:40] <m4t> i think "Etcher" should do what you want, and is open source afaik. it's a bloated electron/javascript app though.
[11:04] <aphrek> hey all
[11:18] <aphrek> anyone know how to increase the 'hotspot' of window drag handles?
[11:18] <aphrek> I really struggle on resizing windows in Mate
[11:19] <aphrek> I can use Alt F8 but would like to have the option of manually doing it..
[11:33] <sixwheeledbeast> use the top "hotspot" as it's bigger. But TBH I rarely resize windows manually and utilise the auto window snapping.
[11:39] <aphrek> good point - it does seem easier using the top. Thanks. Odd that the other hotspots are minimal..
[11:39] <aphrek> is it something I could report as something to improve in future releases?
[11:40] <sixwheeledbeast> I assume it related to DPI or monitor, it's never been a huge issue for me.
[11:41] <aphrek> hmm - I'm on a 12" lenovo laptop - will try on an external screen
[11:41] <aphrek> thanks
[11:43] <naturally> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/251
[11:43] <sixwheeledbeast> np there maybe an option somewhere to make the window border larger?
[12:07] <aphrek> I'll do some digging, does feel like I'm missing some option somewhere!
[12:09] <sixwheeledbeast> I wasn't thinking option in a GUI, more likely editing some config file but I wouldn't know without looking
[15:12] <manofthesea> Excuse me, I'm having some weird issues with my panel layout and menu items... does anyone know where I can find a list of the packages for the menu and taskbar items, to make sure everything's installed proper?
[15:40] <sixwheeledbeast> what sort of issues?
[15:51] <sudeep> I am receiving an error along with bit sound as soon as I connect my mobile device to system
[15:52] <sudeep> Shotwell
[15:52] <sudeep> Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
[15:52] <sudeep> Could not claim the USB device (-53)
[15:52] <sudeep> This is the error
[15:52] <sudeep> Shotwell
[15:52] <sudeep> Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
[15:52] <sudeep> Could not claim the USB device (-53)
[15:53] <sudeep> Can someone address this errror?
[15:53] <sudeep> Error2:Unable to mount SAMSUNG Android
[15:54] <sudeep> Error initializing camera: -53: Could not claim the USB device
[15:59] <Wonkers> Hi there
[16:00] <Wonkers> I have a question for you all. If i were to install Ubuntu Mate 17.10 - will there be a upgrade path to 18.04LTS (without having to re-install)
[16:05] <Wonkers> anyone alive ?
[16:19] <Khan89> i'm alive :O
[16:27] <sudeep> can anyone address it?
[16:31] <erle-> Why did font rendering become so ugly with 17.10?
[16:31] <erle-> 17.10   https://i.imgur.com/AT3Q4th.png
[16:32] <erle-> 17.04   https://i.imgur.com/6ON1kLL.png
[16:32] <alkisg> Wonkers: 17.10 upgrades to 18.04, yes
[16:32] <erle-> Blurry, almost as ugly as Windows fonts.
[16:32] <Wonkers> alkisg: thank you
[16:33] <erle-> Same font, same size, identical configuration before and after release update
[16:33] <Wonkers> So i can get going on the 17.10 and go back to "safety" with a 18.04 LTS once that is released
[16:33] <Wonkers> with no re-installs
[16:33] <alkisg> Wonkers: indeed
[16:34] <erle-> Are you planning to go from 1604 to 1710?
[16:34] <erle-> that sounds like more work
[16:34] <alkisg> 16.04 to 17.10 isn't possible directly
[16:34] <erle-> since 1610 is no longer supported
[16:34] <alkisg> It needs to go through 16.10 => 17.04 first, i.e. lots of upgrades...
[16:34] <ali1234> that's what oldreleases is for
[16:34] <erle-> if you don't want a particular feature, don't do it
[16:34] <Wonkers> Im on 16.04 now - but my system really needs to be reinstalled
[16:35] <erle-> if you reinstall, then it's fine
[16:35] <Wonkers> And i would like the HUD/Global Menus
[16:35] <alkisg> Mate 17.10 has global menus?
[16:35] <erle-> after switching to 18.04, you can set "lts only" in the configuration
[16:35] <alkisg> Meh, that would suck...
[16:35] <Wonkers> erle-: Yeah, the alternative was to wait for 18.04
[16:35] <erle-> alkisg, you CAN have them
[16:35] <erle-> its not default
[16:35] <Wonkers> But as there will be a easy update path - then why wait
[16:35] <ali1234> i would just wait a couple of weeks then install 18.04 beta
[16:36] <alkisg> Better that way :)
[16:36] <erle-> Wonkers, I am also doing lots of reinstalls right now, because I want btrfs everywhere :)
[16:36] <alkisg> Eh, I don't think btrfs will be stable even on 18.04 :D
[16:36] <erle-> the big changes (unity-gnome and xorg-wayland) does not affect mate anyway
[16:37] <Wonkers> reading the blog - it says you have to choose Contemporarym Cupertino og Mutiny for HUD/Global to work
[16:37] <erle-> Wonkers, no, you don't
[16:37] <ali1234> or make your own custom layout
[16:37] <Wonkers> It does not seem to work in a VM (VirtualBox)
[16:38] <ali1234> lots of things dont work in virtualbox
[16:38] <Wonkers> But i suspect that its due to VB "stealing the keyatrokes"
[16:38] <Wonkers> ali1234: make my own ?
[16:38] <ali1234> this is mate right?
[16:38] <Wonkers> yes
[16:39] <ali1234> everything in mate is plugins and applets
[16:39] <ali1234> so you just have to add the global menu plugin to your panel
[16:39] <Wonkers> I know - its just the blog post specifically says this
[16:39] <Wonkers> okay
[16:40] <ali1234> mate added a simple config tool that lets you pick what your panel is like, and then it sets it up for you
[16:40] <ali1234> because apparently people can't handle configuring things any more
[16:42] <lu9dce> hi
[16:44] <lu9dce> a question ... when I hit the mouse to a sale or icon I get a little window with information or help ... !! How do I deactivate it?
[16:46] <Khan89> lu9dce_ hello there, could you be a little bit more specific??
[16:46] <Wonkers> Sooo - now i know what i need to do this weekend
[16:46] <Wonkers> Coffee....lots of coffee and then install my workstation ;-)
[16:48] <lu9dce> https://imgur.com/a/Htiik
[16:52] <lu9dce> the square that in this case looks cyan
[16:53] <lu9dce> in the link pass an image
[16:54] <lu9dce> Sorry, I'm using a translator. I do not speak English. I'm from Argentina.
[16:54] <Khan89> I see it, but.... does this happen when you do right click or left click? or simply when you left the mouse pointer over something?
[16:55] <lu9dce> when I move the mouse pointer
[16:55] <serak> Ho appena installato la 17.10 MATE. Un vero spettacolo!
[16:55] <Khan89> so not when you click
[16:55] <lu9dce> it's like this
[17:04] <aphrek> hey all - can anyone point me in the right direction - where as a non developer can I start or learn about how to contribute to the project?
[17:19] <nW44b> hi, i got some problems with firefox on ubuntu mate on raspberry pi 3. I asked on #firefox but they told me to ask here : my firefox crashes when i launch it, and i think it's from raspi or ubuntu mate, not from firefox. https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869
[17:20] <nW44b> i found this : https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945 but it does not solve the problem
[17:22] <aphrek> have you upgraded ubuntu recently?
[17:22] <aphrek> @nw4b
[17:23] <aphrek> @nw44b
[17:24] <nW44b> aphrek: i upgraded and dist-upgraded
[17:25] <nW44b> i found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616
[17:26] <nW44b> i have exactly the same problem, expect that i dist-upgraded as well
[17:27] <nW44b> :'(
[17:28] <nW44b> aphrek: have you received my answers ?
[17:29] <gordonjcp> what happens if you start firefox from a terminal?
[17:29] <aphrek> nw44b - yep, thanks
[17:29] <nW44b> gordonjcp: https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869
[17:29] <aphrek> could be related? : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1152218
[17:30] <aphrek> suggests a dist-upgrade wasnt complete
[17:30] <gordonjcp> yeah
[17:30] <gordonjcp> it may have failed to upgrade everything
[17:30] <aphrek> yep
[17:30] <nW44b> aphrek: maybe ...
[17:31] <aphrek> worth checking I'd say..
[17:31] <gordonjcp> if you try to apt-get dist-upgrade does it complain about dpkg being interrupted?
[17:31] <nW44b> i did not noticve anything wrong during the upgrade
[17:31] <aphrek> bunch of info in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[17:32] <aphrek> I've got to dash, good luck  - will be on later if I can help at all then
[17:32] <nW44b> nothing in /var/log/dist-upgrade, i'm gona check apt folder
[17:32] <nW44b> thanks
[17:33] <nW44b> it says everything is okay during upgrade and dist-upgrade
[17:38] <nW44b> this is my update from today, before firefox's crashes : https://paste.debian.net/plain/992873
[17:46] <alkisg> nW44b: I have the same issue starting firefox on my rpi2, and I used a recent clean installation of mate 16.04
[17:46] <alkisg> I think there's some broken package in the  repositories
[17:46] <alkisg> But I'm using my rpi as a print server, so I didn't bother to troubleshoot it...
[17:47] <sixwheeledbeast> afaik only the lts is supported for rpi
[17:47] <nW44b> alkisg: there's a bug issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616
[17:48] <nW44b> sixwheeledbeast: i'm using 16.04
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> ok, install firefox esr instead
[17:49] <alkisg> sixwheeledbeast: from where? it's not in the ubuntu repositories
[17:49] <nW44b> right
[17:50] <alkisg> nW44b: does chromium work for you?
[17:50] <sixwheeledbeast> either get the deb from debian or there's a ppa for esr.
[17:50] <nW44b> alkisg: yes
[17:51] <nW44b> on firefox website ther is no arm version of firefox esr
[17:52] <alkisg> sixwheeledbeast: PPAs don't build for armhf, unless specifically requested from the launchpad team
[17:52] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr/+packages only has i386/amd64 packages
[17:52] <alkisg> I'm not sure the .deb from debian is installable to mate rpi, wrt dependencies...
[17:52] <sixwheeledbeast> hmm
[17:58] <sixwheeledbeast> It is a common question here, firefox crashing after updating rpi. Using esr or forcing version 52 IIRC is what normally "fixes it". there is a bug on lauchpad somewhere IIRC.
[18:01] <nW44b> i really do not know which esr version should i try to install
[18:01] <sixwheeledbeast> firefox-esr-52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1 from raspian
[18:04] <sixwheeledbeast> nW44b: this is the thread I was looking for, it's a common question here. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945
[18:05] <nW44b> sixwheeledbeast: yes, i already seen it
[18:06] <alkisg> it should also be possible to install a previous firefox by just apt install firefox=45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1
[18:07] <alkisg> As it's in the repositories
[18:08] <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: you could force v52 for example but your using a slightly out of date browser then, whereas esr would have security fixes in the meantime.
[18:12] <jrj> Is there a way (keyboard shortcut) to open the menu in the corner ?
[18:13] <jrj> Im not talking about ALT-F1, im talking opening the full menu (like mouse pressing the Mate logo/Menu in the corner ?
[18:14] <nW44b> i confirm, it works with firefox_45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/9573958
[18:15] <sixwheeledbeast> great
[18:15] <nW44b> i have to block the firefox updates now ...
[18:18] <sixwheeledbeast> apt-mark hold firefox
[18:19] <nW44b> i used : echo "firefox hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[18:20] <sixwheeledbeast> as long as you know how to remove it later.
[18:20] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't understand the difference between Alt-F1 and clicking the menu?
[18:57] <Guest55840> cesarcost
[18:57] <jrj> sixwheeledbeast: clicking the menu, enables you to "start typing" to search the menu
[18:57] <jrj> ALT-F1 does not
[19:01] <sixwheeledbeast> typing? are you using the standard MATE layout?
[19:26] <jrj> yes
[19:37] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't understand what your typing in then?
[20:16] <_Anna_> Anyone here uses the FreeFileSync program?
[20:59] <Dre213> Hi guys - hope all is well. Anyone free to help me with a shell script for a race condition?
[21:08] <santemanuele> Hello. How to one click to open item on Ubuntu Mate Desktop??
[21:40] <aphrek> nw44b how did you get on?
[21:47] <matt__> anyone know of a decent place to find reasonably priced Ubuntu laptops in the US?


[22:01] <davlefou> Bonsoir! Steg de merde!
[23:56] <plof> davlefou: If we look at things we may see you doing things wrong the same the people you criticize. Is you linux config the perfect one? Is your code secure and performant? How much is your room organised? If you look at it, you maybe an image of the devil you hate the most!
[23:56] <davlefou> plof, pardon?
[23:57] <plof> davlefou: I can't explain the plain!
[23:58] <davlefou> La Steg m'a cramé une carté réseau de plus! Raz le bol!
[23:58] <plof> Tunisians always criticize the other, he who is them. You may have used a power regulator in your house.
[23:59] <plof> PCI ports have nothing to do with STEG other than the Motherboard itself.


[00:29] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've removed one of my partitions from my Virtual Pool, so following on from another session of hard disk brain surgery later; I'll get that area allocated to my extended partition so I can install 'real' machines.
[00:30] <Noskcaj> ok
[00:30] <phillw> I'll reboot into my CentOS disk drive (sdb)and let it update over night. I cannot re-slice sda if I'm using it :)
[03:45] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[03:45]  * smartboyhw says hi to phillw
[03:45] <smartboyhw> phillw, I got Ubuntu membership in Wednesday:)
[03:45] <smartboyhw> Thank you a lot:)
[03:52] <SergioMeneses>  \o/
[03:52] <phillw> smartboyhw: Congratualtions! Drat, I've not even got the email from the teams yet. It was richly deserved, we tend to be discouraged from attending and leave our testimonials.
[03:53] <smartboyhw> phillw, from what teams?
[03:54] <smartboyhw> phillw, do you have a blog?
[03:54] <phillw> smartboyhw: the ubuntu teams that hold the two sessions on the different time zones :)
[03:54] <smartboyhw> phillw, ah LOL
[03:55] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o I've published on the planet today
[03:55] <phillw> in the past, we were dragged up at all sorts of silly hours, depending upon who we recommended. They kindly took the view that we need not be there.
[03:55] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, good.
[03:55]  * smartboyhw goes see
[03:55] <smartboyhw> phillw, ah :)
[03:55] <smartboyhw> phillw, you received my email of Beginners Team?
[03:55]  * smartboyhw wants a check
[03:56] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, good one there
[03:56] <phillw> I'm on basic system at the moment as I'm on sdb (my CentOS system). duane is having problems with his @ubuntu.com email address.
[03:57] <SergioMeneses> thanks smartboyhw
[03:57] <smartboyhw> phillw, oh ok
[03:57] <SergioMeneses> ok guys see later! bed time
[03:57]  * smartboyhw wonders what he should write today
[03:57] <phillw> SergioMeneses sleep well
[03:57] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, byebye:P
[03:58] <SergioMeneses> ty guys
[03:59] <phillw> smartboyhw: do send me an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as soon as you have your email set up. setting it up is the last task set to you. The guys in admin have already applied your cloak :D
[04:00] <smartboyhw> phillw, the prob: I use Gmail, which is know for breaking with @ubuntu.com :P
[04:01] <phillw> smartboyhw: it has a nice ring to it, and something I'm very proud of, both my cloak and email address. In future when you log on to channels, they will see smartboyhw [~smartboyh@ubuntu/member/smartboyhw] entered the room.
[04:01] <smartboyhw> phillw, :)
[04:01] <smartboyhw> many people asked me that
[04:01] <phillw> smartboyhw: oh converse, it is recommended for the @ubuntu.com email address.
[04:02] <smartboyhw> phillw, I rather want a @kubuntu.org one one day
[04:02] <smartboyhw> :P
[04:02] <smartboyhw> phillw, as I said before: Do you have a blog?
[04:04] <phillw> smartboyhw: nope, I used to use my forum area for updates, now I try to keep up to date with stuff with Fb and now G+ as that existing group got 'approved', which I'm greatful I did push for.
[04:04] <smartboyhw> phillw, it would be a great idea if you could post to Planet Ubuntu (like balloons and SergioMeneses and I did)
[04:05] <smartboyhw> using a blog of course:P
[04:05] <phillw> smartboyhw: I think that even the kubuntu people would tell you that a ubuntu.com address is more highly sought.
[04:06] <smartboyhw> phillw, I actually thought of an idea. The mentoring team for Ubuntu Beginners should be set however it is still good to assign mentors to mentees. But two mentors to one mentee is better
[04:06] <smartboyhw> phillw, oh really? They don't:P
[04:06] <smartboyhw> phillw, what smartphone are you using?
[04:07] <smartboyhw> Hey chilicuil
[04:07] <smartboyhw> phillw, balloons is making a bad practise right here in a channel:P
[04:08] <phillw> smartboyhw: then drop the ubuntu cloak and email address and use a kubuntu one. at lubuntu, we turned down both cloak and email address possibilities to stay firmly within our familiy.  I have recently had to upgrade my nokia 3330 after 15 years of life to get nokia 6021
[23:25] <Lazik> Greetings


[01:19] <alex-abreu> robru, ping
[01:28] <robru> alex-abreu: hey, what's up?
[01:30] <robru> alex-abreu: if you want silo 2 published, you gotta approve these merges https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-002-2-publish/74/console
[02:05] <imgbot> [03:24] <alex-abreu> robru, hey, why the ppa are built against qt 5.4?
[03:27] <robru> alex-abreu: that's a good question... Maybe Mirv knows?
[03:27] <alex-abreu> robru, it destyroyed my desktop while testing for silos
[03:27] <robru> alex-abreu: which silo?
[03:28] <alex-abreu> 4
[03:28] <alex-abreu> and I think some other do too
[03:28] <alex-abreu> others
[03:29] <robru> alex-abreu: i don't understand. In what way did they destroy your desktop? Wouldn't they just fall to install without qt 5.4?
[03:30] <alex-abreu> robru, they pulled the qt 5.4 runtimes
[03:30] <robru> alex-abreu: but 5.4 isn't even out yet? Sorry i don't know much about qt
[03:30] <alex-abreu> robru, I know hence my surprise
[03:32] <alex-abreu> robru, the thing is that I citrain host-upgraded this afternoon to test a silo (4), and ended w/ all sorts of weird segfaults, ... I gdb'd them and realized that I had qt 5.4 all over the place, which was apt-cache policied from some silo ppas
[03:32] <alex-abreu> hence my surprise
[03:35] <alex-abreu> robru, e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/9497219/
[03:36] <robru> alex-abreu: well the build log indicates that it built against 5.3, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/192479637/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.ubuntu-html5-theme_0.1.2%2B15.04.20141212.1-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[03:36] <alex-abreu> mmh weird
[03:37] <robru> alex-abreu: if i had i guess, it sounds to be like you host-upgraded silo 5 instead of 4 ;-)
[03:38] <alex-abreu> robru, mmmh yes, I just looked at thecontent of silo 5 :/ ... I must have done both ...
[03:38] <robru> alex-abreu: you should be able to just ppa-purge that
[03:38] <alex-abreu> robru, grrr, ... sorry :)
[03:38] <robru> alex-abreu: no worries!
[03:40] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot>


[00:00] <dinger2006> if u want an image why not use clonezilla live cd?
[00:00] <jmedina> orudie: grub-install /dev/sda
[00:01] <_cpod_> dinger2006: never heard of it... i'll check that out
[00:01] <dinger2006> worth a look, the new one is built on intrepid i believe
[00:01] <jmedina> when you use clonezilla the destination partiion is bigger than the source, you have to resize your filesystems to fit new partition space
[00:02] <_cpod_> jmedina: alright so if i use clonezilla and then gparted i should be good?
[00:02] <jmedina> yeap
[00:02] <jmedina> wel, I dont know gparted
[00:03] <jmedina> I use something like: resize2fs /dev/sdc1
[00:03] <jmedina> for ext3 filesystems
[00:03] <_cpod_> okay
[00:04] <_cpod_> alright well i think i've got all the info i need
[00:04] <dinger2006> clonezilla grows it as long as its bigger
[00:04] <_cpod_> thanks a ton guys!  i appreciate it
[00:05] <jmedina> dinger2006: you make me doubt, I think I needed to resize when I used dd_rescue
[00:06] <dinger2006> im sure it does it but might be wrong
[00:42] <awmcclain> Here's a silly question: What's the best way to run a cron job as root? I have a service I need to restart daily.
[00:54] <erichammond> awmcclain: Perhaps /etc/cron.daily/YOURNAME (executable script) or /etc/cron.d/YOURNAME (crontab format)
[01:01] <awmcclain> erichammond: But what user does that run as? root?
[01:02] <erichammond> awmcclain: cron.daily runs as root.  cron.d files specify the user in each entry.  See the existing files that are probably in those directories.
[01:03] <awmcclain> erichammond: Ah, perfect! Thank you.
[01:03] <erichammond> awmcclain: man cron
[01:03] <awmcclain> erichammond: No, I have custom scripts in cron.daily, but for some reason I thought they ran as a less-privleged user.
[02:25] <r_myoung> Hi, I'm having trouble getting amavis to work with my postfix setup. It sems to be running OK but messages are not being passed to amavis as best I can tell. I'm not dure where do go from here. I can't find anything helpful in my logs.
[02:28] <pmatulis> r_myoung: telnet to the amavis port, does it respond?
[02:30] <r_myoung> Yes, it responds: 220 [<IP_ADDRESS>] ESMTP amavisd-new service ready.
[02:35] <twb> r_myoung: write a message to it, then.
[02:40] <pmatulis> r_myoung: i guess your postfix configuration is messed up then, maybe pastebin your master.cf and main.cf somewhere
[02:46] <r_myoung> Here's my master.cf http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/247534/master.cf
[02:49] <r_myoung> and here's my main.cf http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/247534/main.cf
[03:11] <r_myoung> I wrote a message using telnet to check the transport chain and it seems to work OK.
[03:36] <ScottK> Your main and master .cf look OK to me.
[03:37] <ScottK> I guess he left ....
[04:17] <qiyong> how do i let my app to use vendor rails, not gem rails?
[05:23] <oh_noes> How do I tell Ubuntu Hardy, to try to find a DHCP server for eth0.  BUT, if it cannot, set a specified IP address and subnet?
[06:23] <TimReichhart> I need some help on getting my 56k modem to work and I am using ubuntu 9.04 server with HSFi CX11252-11
[06:34] <twb> Sigh.
[06:34] <twb> Why isn't aufs modprobable anymore on my 8.04 server system?
[06:35] <twb> Ah, probably because some fucking idiot decided to deploy openvz on the system
[06:58] <twb> Is module-assistant still the approved way of building kernel modules from foo-source packages?
[07:03] <twb> ^dkms
[07:03] <twb> !dkms
[07:04] <twb> !m-a
[07:04] <twb> !module-assistant
[07:04] <twb> Sigh.
[07:07] <d22> hi
[07:14] <_ruben> dkms is prefered over m-a indeed
[07:15] <_ruben> though for most -source packages, m-a is still the way to go (as they not yet support dkms)
[07:15] <twb> _ruben: is there a "dkms for m-a weenies" article somewhere?
[07:16] <twb> Or: how can I tell if dkms will work with aufs-source?
[07:16] <twb> Not that it matters, because "m-a a-i aufs" on an OpenVZ kernel just bombed out with retarded arity errors.
[07:16] <_ruben> twb: they're quite different in how they work/are setup
[07:17] <_ruben> there's no simple "do this, do that" to turn m-a package into dkms
[07:17] <_ruben> dkms in fact is easier (in my experience) to package than m-a though :p
[07:17] <_ruben> once you get your head around it
[07:17] <twb> Eh, this isn't -devel.
[07:17] <twb> I just wanna get an aufs.ko that I can modprobe in my current kernel.
[07:18] <_ruben> then again .. now that i think about it .. all you might need is a proper dkms.conf in addition to the source that's provided by the -source package .. perhaps aufs upstream already has a dkms.conf available
[07:18] <twb> Nope; not on 8.04 anyway
[07:19] <_ruben> that's why i said upstream .. meaning the authors of aufs .. and thus not (directly) related to ubuntu (versions)
[07:19] <twb> Ah, OK.
[07:21] <twb> I hope dkms is as pleasant to use as m-a is, by the time I'm forced to use it.
[07:22] <d22> when i buy commercial support from canonical, the price of 750$ is per server per year, right?
[07:22] <twb> NFI.
[07:22] <twb> !commercial support
[07:23]  * twb finds http://www.canonical.com/services/support
[07:24] <twb> I note that page doesn't seem to indicate whether VMs (under KVM) are considered separate servers.
[07:34] <d22> hmm, jep...
[07:36] <d22> can i buy commertial support at any time?
[07:37] <d22> i mean, setup my server try if everything works, and when everything is okay, the buy the suppotzt
[07:39] <twb> There's a bug in the Ubuntu Server Support Service Description version 1.2
[07:40] <twb> It refers to Order before it is defined.
[07:40] <twb> And indeed it doesn't appear to be defined subsequently.
[07:56] <d22> which support service description do you mean?
[08:17] <twb> The one linked to in the above URL
[08:43] <dhruba> Hi, I have installed Ubuntu Server 9.04 with NTP, DHCP, DNS and OpenLDAP on it. I have created a few users through phpLDAPAdmin. But while trying to login from the Ubuntu Client 9.04, it is giving a problem that the Home directory is not present. Again, it is giving that it is ignoring .dmrc file. But even through ls -la I could not find any .dmrc file
[08:54] <ssm> dhruba: there is a pam module that can create home directories for you, when a user logs in
[08:55] <ssm> dhruba: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_mkhomedir.html
[09:19] <dhruba> ssm: Thanks a lot. I am going to try the same.
[11:59] <drcode> hi all
[11:59] <drcode> can I install ubuntu-server without lamp and so, I want to use small server for firewall/router
[12:00] <drcode> also if someone know good firewall console gui
[12:12] <simplexio> drcode: shorewall? if i remember right is in ubuntu, but usually you dont run X on server, but in other hand you can run that gui on your desktop via ssh X tunnelig
[12:15] <ewook> drcode: yes you can.
[12:17] <Appiah_> i entered session required pam_mkhomedir.so in common-session but it does not seam to work
[12:17] <Appiah_> I dont know what to do from here?
[13:15] <Will> noob question: say i've bought a new tower, w/o cd drive, grphx, screen etc (a server), whats the best way of getting linux installed on the hdd?
[13:16] <Will> best = easiest i guess
[13:23] <_ruben> without a graphics card most pcs dont even boot .. use a screen from another computer .. use an usb cdrom drive/usb stick/netboot installer to install the os
[13:23] <Will> seems like most tower servers have dvds and integrated grphx anyway
[13:24] <Will> thx
[13:37] <nick_schembri> Good Morning cjwatson
[13:39] <Appiah_> How come I dont get to choose resolution when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[13:41] <_ruben> because ubuntu-server doesnt have xserver-xorg
[13:47] <Appiah_> umm
[13:47] <Appiah_> but i just apt-get installed igt?
[13:47] <Appiah_> it*
[13:48] <_ruben> then it no longer qualifies as -server im afraid
[13:48] <Appiah_> I dont understand
[13:48] <_ruben> you're now running a desktop with the server kernel
[13:49] <Appiah_> so ubuntu server removed that option (or more) from the dpkg-reconfigure and only has the keyboard options
[13:51] <_ruben> not really .. installing X on a -server flavour, turns your machine into -desktop, concerning getting support that is
[13:51] <Appiah_> ?
[13:51] <_ruben> in othe words: ask the desktop people in #ubuntu
[13:52] <Appiah_> still a server kernel but ok
[13:52] <_ruben> this channel is for server related support .. which does not cover X
[13:52] <Appiah_> I just edit xorg.conf by hand
[13:52] <cjwatson> nick_schembri: can I help you?
[13:52] <Appiah_> thought it was bug or something
[13:52] <_ruben> Appiah_: it could very well be .. but it'd be a desktop bug, not server
[13:52] <Appiah_> k
[13:52] <cjwatson> Appiah_: these days X tries much harder to autodetect resolution and so no longer offers that via debconf
[13:53] <Appiah_> ye , and that really sucks when it autodetects something your monitor does not handle :D
[13:53] <Appiah_> but I'm gonna leave it at that
[13:55] <cjwatson> Appiah_: please do file a bug on xorg about that
[13:55] <cjwatson> we can only improve the autodetection with good bug reports
[13:55] <cjwatson> Appiah_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X may help
[14:02] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: All of my notes are on firefox and it crashed. I need a minute
[14:08] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: I had everything planned out to make this sort ad sweet. I'm sorry.
[14:09] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: I just remastered the livecd for a project at work. I'm sure you do this a better way.
[14:09] <nick_schembri> I looked your scripts on launchpad. They talk about download-live-filesystem from a build server.  It this image a hand tweaked desktop?
[14:09] <nick_schembri> Should I build my image up from server + ubuntu-desktop?
[14:09] <nick_schembri> I'm going to have to build a set of livecd for this project, 100+
[14:10] <tdn> I have a samba server and several Windows XP clients. The clients have each of their homes mounted as drive H: and a shared drive on S:. Some of the Windows clients are suddenly getting this error, when trying to open the S: "Configuration information could not be read from the domain controller, either because the machine is unavailable, or access has been denied.", but at least one of the clients does not get this error. I cannot see anything i
[14:14] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: brb
[14:16] <cjwatson> nick_schembri: livecd-rootfs builds the live filesystem
[14:16] <cjwatson> nick_schembri: it's a separate piece because if you're building for multiple architectures then the livefs build has to happen on a different machine for each architecture, whereas the ISO image build can be central
[14:22] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: thanks I'll look at livefs.  that saved me a lot of time digging :)
[15:07] <tomsdale> After a site has been blacklisted by google and DNS providers because of malicious content being downloaded from another server - how long does it take until you get your name cleared again once the problem is resolved.
[15:36] <teddy_> Ubuntu ready for production servers ?
[15:36] <teddy_> Ubuntu 9.04 ready for production servers ?
[15:37] <Fumoh> Hmmm I've got a hardware question... I've compiled this NIC driver without any problems, but when trying to use insmod i get the error message "-1 file exists".
[15:38] <Fumoh> I've also tried to use modprobe to install the driver, but I don't get any error messages.
[15:38] <Fumoh> What should I check first?  I'd like to try and track down an error message for modprobe, but I can't find anything when I tail /var/log/messages.
[16:12] <Fumoh> Alright so I've verified with lsmod that the driver was installed, but I still can't see eth0
[16:12] <Fumoh> I've restarted my network service, but I still got nothin'
[16:12] <Fumoh> how can I activate a network card that I just installed the driver for?
[16:13] <refnumzx> just upgraded my hard box to the latest dansuardian from repository. getting all kinds of segfaults.  is there a way i can revert to the older version?
[16:15] <refnumzx> hardy and dansguardian.
[16:25] <\sh> hmm...which meta package is installed by ubuntu-server ? ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard?
[16:29] <gustavonarea> Hello. I have a home server on which I'll be running a couple of Linux distros via KVM. I'm trying to create a network bridge for each guest, but I'm pretty confused because my /etc/network/interfaces file only contains one interface: lo
[16:30] <gustavonarea> All the tutorials I've seen assume that eth0 is defined and use it to create the bridge
[16:31] <gustavonarea> What interface should I use to set up the bridge? SHould I configure eth0 explicitly?
[16:31] <gustavonarea> (ifconfig shows 4 interfaces: eth0, eth1, lo and virbr0)
[16:42] <gustavonarea> Actually, do I really have to create a bridge interface while virbr0 is already available?
[16:56] <psyferre> hey folks, i've got something very odd going on... over the weekend all of my ubuntu servers suddenly developed problems with outgoing connections to the internet.  Windows and OpenBSD systems are all fine, but every one of my ubuntu servers have very slow internet access... slow enough that outside ssh connections can't even connect.
[16:57] <psyferre> Can anyone hit me with the cluebat?  I'm completely lost.  Even weirder... one of them is a vmware host, and all the virtual machines on it are doing just fine.  But I can't connect to the host unless i do so on the local network.
[16:57] <psyferre> Should I just call a priest and be done with it?
[16:58] <sommer> psyferre: are there any errors in /var/log/syslog?
[16:59] <psyferre> hmm... a whole mess of "console-kit-daemon[29051]: CRITICAL: cannot initialize libpolkit"
[17:03] <refnumzx> why.  i should have left my hardy system running rather then doing nice  job and  upgrading hardy now dansguardian is segfaulting and i have no idea
[17:06] <jmedina> refnumzx: so, why dont you install previous version?
[17:10] <refnumzx> jmedina, if i could figure out what that was. i would.
[17:11] <jmedina> probably in your dpkg.log
[17:11] <psyferre_> sommer: I've got a lot of "cannot initialize libpolkit" errors in syslog, but it looks like that's a bug.  In any case, it's in syslog long before the problem started...  I've got 5 ubuntu boxes, some that have been working perfectly for over a year, and for some reason this weekend they all stopped getting normal internet access.
[17:11] <refnumzx> i tried browsing the package lists on  ubuntu
[17:15] <refnumzx> 3dpkg only tels me that it had unpacked dansguardian. not what it instal from as i removed
[17:16] <refnumzx> sorry to be more clear, dpkg.log only has details about unpacking the latest dansguardian, not what it is going to remove
[17:16] <sommer> psyferre_: they are ubuntu server installs?  are they trying to get dhcp or something?
[17:18] <psyferre_> sommer: yes, ubuntu server.  They all have static IPs on bonded nics.  All are accesible on the local network just fine, but internet access on them is VERY slow.  From outside the local network I cannot reach them.
[17:26] <sommer> psyferre_: could it be a dns or gateway issue
[17:27] <psyferre> sommer: sorry for the blips in and out... thunderstorm keeps knocking out my power
[18:00] <\sh> does anyone of you work with FAI?;)
[18:31] <jared555> what file system would probably be best for a home network virtualization server? ubuntu server 9.04
[18:31] <holoway> just run ext3
[18:31] <holoway> if you have no other requirements
[18:32] <jared555> k. thank you
[18:45] <Faust-C> anyone know much about imap and backups?
[18:46] <jmedina> Faust-C: why?
[18:47] <Faust-C> jmedina, i want to use a imap server but idk much about if a user deletes a email how do you retrieve it
[18:50] <jmedina> you can't
[18:50] <diffra> Faust-C: generally you'll be using maildir format, so each message is a file.  you can take backups by tarring the maildir directory, and to restore, you have to find the message file and restore it to the maildir.
[18:50] <diffra> that may not work... i think there's an index somewhere that would need to be updated as well.
[18:51] <jmedina> well some mail clientes only mark emails for deletion
[18:51] <orudie> hi. whats a good way of providing public ftp
[18:51] <jmedina> Faust-C: I would configure a backup system
[18:52]  * Faust-C sigh
[18:53] <jmedina> I consider backups the second most important task for a sysadmin
[18:53] <Faust-C> yeah
[18:53] <jmedina> fist: keep systems running, so is a must
[18:53] <Faust-C> jmedina, yeah but around here users constantly delete emails they need, we need to get past emails etc
[18:53] <Faust-C> and i dont see a llot of options for that
[18:54] <diffra> telling the users they're idiots isn't an option?
[18:54] <Faust-C> diffra, it hasnt helped .... nothing helps
[18:55] <jmedina> Faust-C: so what is te problem with backups?
[18:55] <jmedina> you can do incremental backups
[18:55] <Faust-C> jmedina, its has to be simple enough for other admins to manage
[18:56] <jmedina> :D
[18:56] <Faust-C> ill be leaving once im done so i want to make sure they can manage this
[18:56] <jmedina> so what you want?
[18:56] <diffra> you can backup the maildirs, and then when you need to retrieve a message, you untar the backup, and grep the directory for whatever you're looking for.  if they can't use tar and grep, they aren't admins.
[18:56] <diffra> wow, i'm really condescending today.  sorry.
[18:56] <Faust-C> mainly just the ability to retrieve emails, restore/archive simpler,
[18:56] <jmedina> diffra: good point
[18:56] <Faust-C> diffra, lol
[18:57] <Faust-C> diffra, would you happen to have a written example of that? like does it work well?
[18:58] <jmedina> what about something like a mail archive system?
[18:58] <jmedina> you can doit with simple bcc using postfix
[18:58] <jmedina> or something like mailarchiva
[19:03] <Faust-C> ic
[19:05] <diffra> Faust-C: it all depends on what you want.  Are you using virtual users or unix users?
[19:05] <awmcclain> Is there any way to delete the mail spool? It's a little late now... but when the site went down it generated 100K emails to me for every request that wasn't working (which then generated mail-daemon bounebacks)
[19:05] <awmcclain> bouncebacks
[19:05] <Faust-C> diffra, virtual of course
[19:06] <diffra> awmcclain: postfix?
[19:07] <awmcclain> Yup.
[19:07] <orudie> i just did sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[19:07] <orudie>  and it was suppose to create user with home directory /home/ftp and it didnt
[19:07] <diffra> postsuper -d ALL should do it
[19:07] <diffra> that'll remove everything in the queue.
[19:08] <diffra> man postsuper if you want to be specific
[19:09] <diffra> Faust-C: you could just tar czvf /media/backup/mail.tar.gz /home/vmail/ for the backups  if you want to do incrementals, check out rsync.
[19:09] <diffra> you could also write some kind of script to troll your vmail dir for user folders and back each one up individually.
[19:09] <Faust-C> diffra, funny how simple youve made it!
[19:09] <Faust-C> i mean really its a simple issue
[19:10] <Faust-C> brb
[19:12] <awmcclain> diffra: Thank you!
[19:15] <diffra> Faust-C: it's much more fun in here than doing my real job, which i'm avoiding (deploying jboss apps on windows 2008.)
[19:22] <diffra> awmcclain: glad to help
[19:37] <wadmurr> What do i need to append to /etc/apache2/envvars to umask apache2 to 002?
[19:37] <wadmurr> ...on 8.04
[19:41] <Faust-C> diffra, well at least youre productive, i myself on the otherhand feel lost
[19:41] <diffra> wadmurr: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549457
[19:43] <wadmurr> diffra: thanks. i just realized that it's a debian box and the envvars file is different
[19:45] <orudie> does shell refer to ssh ?
[19:47] <diffra> it can.  specifically, it refers to the command interpreter.
[19:47] <diffra> bash is the most common example of a shell
[19:47] <diffra> however, some people say 'login to shell' when they mean sshing in to access said shell
[19:49] <orudie> for the purpose of using just ftp, how can i take away the use of shell from one of my users ?
[19:49] <diffra> set their shell to /bin/false
[19:49] <diffra> i think there's a command to do it, or you can just modify /etc/passwd
[19:50] <diffra> ah, usermod -s /bin/false username
[19:51] <orudie> :)
[19:51] <orudie> worked
[20:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: you know that i get mail when your ppa's fail? :)
[20:52] <bardyr> Hey, im have installed apache/php but what ever i do im not allowed to access tmp files created by apache trough php
[20:52] <bardyr> how can i fix that?
[20:52] <sammy> has anyone ever tried installing ubuntu server, then installing the ubuntu-desktop meta package on top?
[20:53] <sammy> I'd like to run an ubuntu server in VM, but I'd also like to run NX on the box for remote desktop sessions as well... I'd much rather have the kernel and such tuned to server performance, so this seems like the way to go
[20:54] <diffra> sammy: i'd recommend just installing the ubuntu desktop version then.
[20:54] <sammy> diffra: really? any particular reason(s)?
[20:54] <diffra> the kernel is slightly different, but not enough to make much of a difference.  Put it this way: you'll get way, way more of a performance hit by adding the GUI than you would running the desktop kernel.
[20:55] <sammy> that makes sense
[20:56] <sammy> they're VMs so I guess I could make two
[20:56] <sammy> that seems like a bit of a waste, though. they *are* going to be really low-strain servers
[20:57] <sammy> apache and a few other things that wont be heavily used or doing anything complicated. all things that run just fine on the desktop kernel
[20:57] <diffra> yeah.  I'd just rock one ubuntu desktop installation.  If you want to lighten the load on the host machine, maybe look into xubuntu or crunchbang(openbox ubuntu)
[20:58] <sammy> crunchbang i've been wanting to look into. i remember openbox back in the day, though I like the gnome integration
[20:59] <sammy> we'll see. I'll probably just end up with the one desktop install... and maybe I'll go with crunchbang.
[20:59] <diffra> yeah, just a suggestion.  The nice thing about VMs is they're easy to create and throw away.
[20:59] <sammy> off to clean the kitchen and contemplate. bbiab
[21:55] <orudie> for fsvtpd in /etc/ftpusers instead of adding each user can i add a group ?
[21:57] <diffra> orudie: short answer is definitely no.  long answer, i'm not sure that vsftpd supports using groups for that
[22:11] <orudie> how do i change the user's password
[22:12] <diffra> passwd username
[23:08] <schilds> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty server. All was going fine until it got to the /etc/default/slapd configuration file. It's asking me if I want to keep my current file, etc. However, it seems like the input is locked up and I can't continue. Can I kill the process and restart?
[23:09] <maxb> Why do you think the input is locked up?
[23:09] <maxb> Is this a GUI or console upgrade?
[23:09] <maxb> (update-manager or do-release-upgrade)
[23:10] <schilds> No key strokes are echoed to the terminal and hitting enter (default=N, which I want) does not continue the process. Oh sorry, do-release-upgrade (console)
[23:12] <maxb> Hmm
[23:13] <maxb> I guess I would probably look at ps -efH and try to work out what process to kill to get past the stuck prompt with minimal disturbance to the upgrade
[23:13] <schilds> It's running /usr/bin/dpkg --force-overwrite --status-fd 56 --configure linux-libc-dev libc6-dev (etc. etc. wall-of-text)... I'm ok with restarting the upgrade or whatever.. just don't want to kill my server if at all possible :D I'm SSH'ed in and if it dies it will be a major headache
[23:16] <Schlabby> Hi there! Don't know if I'm right here with an apache problem (authentication pgsql/mysql)
[23:17] <diffra> Schlabby: it can't hurt to ask!
[23:17] <Schlabby> :-) great
[23:18] <schilds> Sigh.. well thanks for the input maxb. I guess my options are just to kill it or stare at it for eternity anyway... we'll see what happens.
[23:19] <Schlabby> too many ubuntu-channels.. well: apache installation, different virtual host. some use mod_auth_pgsql and some use mod_auth_mysql. those that use mysql produce those errors:  [mod_auth_pgsql.c] - missing configuration parameters
[23:19] <Schlabby> i didn't find a way to disable/enable mod_auth_pgsql for specific virtual hosts
[23:23] <schilds> Looks like do-release-upgrade was smart enough to attempt a recovery dpkg --configure -a which completed the rest of the upgrades. So far it looks like it worked... thanks again, maxb!
[23:30] <diffra> schlabby: that doesn't sound fun.  #apache might be the way to go though -- i doubt it's an ubuntu-specific issue.
[23:33] <Schlabby> #ubuntu was first try after googling for 3 hours....
[23:35] <diffra> yeah, sorry, maybe someone else in here knows, but probably someone in apache knows for sure.  come back and let me know what the solution is though?  you've got me curious.
[23:35] <diffra> And you're right, my google-fu is coming up empty too.
[23:38] <Schlabby> i can't believe i'm the only one who uses both auth types on a single server. maybe the only one who cares about the error_logs ;-) because it's running like a charme. only "warn"s. i'll keep on searching and tell you.
[23:46] <matthewmpp> I am new to servers. I have read everything I can find on OpenSSH, however, I am currently stuck. I know how to use OpenSSH and scp, but I am having trouble getting the dsa keys working.
[23:46] <matthewmpp> I have sshd installed on my server, and ssh installed on my laptop (remote host).
[23:46] <diffra> matthewmpp: what OS are you using on the server and your laptop?
[23:47] <matthewmpp> laptop: ubuntu desktop 8.10, server: ubuntu server 9.04
[23:47] <matthewmpp> I used the following command to generate the dsa keys: ssh-keygen -t dsa.
[23:48] <matthewmpp> Then I used scp from a remote_host_terminal: scp root@server:/root/.ssh/id_dsa.pub /root/.ssh/id_dsa.pub
[23:48] <diffra> rockin.  ah ha!  there's your problem.
[23:48] <diffra> the remote host should have the public key in the file /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[23:48] <diffra> (this is where i halfheartedly tell you you should be using user accounts to protect yourself from yourself)
[23:49] <matthewmpp> 1 sec let me check something.
[23:52] <diffra> also, check out this tutorial.  it's fairly awesome for initial server setup: http://articles.slicehost.com/2008/11/28/ubuntu-intrepid-setup-page-1
[23:52] <matthewmpp> yeah. I did that: cat id_dsa.pub >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[23:53] <matthewmpp> I just realized that I have not restarted the ssh serveer since I have installed the dsa keys. I will do that right now.
[23:57] <matthewmpp> okay, restarting the server did not help. It still asks me for the password instead of the passphrase. I will check out the link you posted and see if that helps.


[00:35] <hml> babbageclunk: i updated the tests based on the merge build failures… do you want to take another look before i squash the commits?  :-D
[00:37] <babbageclunk> hml: sure
[00:38] <hml> babbageclunk: you’re awesome!
[00:41] <babbageclunk> hml: Still looks good to me!
[00:41] <hml> babbageclunk: ty
[02:20] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I'm looking at your PR now - can you look at mine? :) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8380
[02:21] <wallyworld> sure, after tim meeting
[02:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: oh, looks like hml beat me to it - do I still need to look at it too?
[02:25] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: looks like some fixes were asked for so i'll do those and then ping
[02:25] <wallyworld> lunch first
[02:25] <babbageclunk> okies
[02:25] <babbageclunk> bon appetit!
[02:26]  * babbageclunk feels bad for momentarily forgetting how to type a é
[02:26] <babbageclunk> *an
[02:26] <blahdeblah> é
[02:26] <blahdeblah> ^ like that
[02:27] <babbageclunk> You just cut'n'pasted my one though, be honest!
[02:27] <blahdeblah> babbageclunk: compose, ', e
[02:27]  * babbageclunk is chastened
[02:27] <blahdeblah> á é í ó ú
[02:27] <blahdeblah> :-P
[02:28] <babbageclunk> ☃
[02:28] <blahdeblah> Apparently, ẃ ŕ ý ṕ ś ǵ ḱ ĺ ź ć ń ḿ all work, too
[02:29] <babbageclunk> probably useful in wpk-land.
[02:29] <blahdeblah> possibly - I never realised non-vowels could have accents
[18:00] <mup> Bug #1749763 opened: remove an application not in bundle should be ignored <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749763>
[22:49] <wpk> Could someone look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8375 (and at #1 comment in bugreport, as it gives the background) and state if that solution makes sense to them? (it works)
[22:51] <wallyworld> wpk: i think i agree with roger's comment
[22:52] <wallyworld> hml: did we need to make a fix to the update series tool to fix the symlink?
[22:52] <wpk> wallyworld: refresh
[22:52] <hml> wallyworld: right now it’d be part of the update series how to guide in the docs
[22:52] <wpk> wallyworld: I forgot to remove it.
[22:53] <hml> wallyworld: trying to understand if there way a change… and if that’s the only gotcha
[22:53] <hml> wallyworld: don’t remember having to do that at all before
[22:53] <wpk> wallyworld: the big change is in MongoInfo actually
[22:54] <wallyworld> hml: ok. i do think we need a fix to the tool ultimately. good that we have a workaround for now. i am surprised we didn't hit the issue before given that agent symlink is tied to series
[22:54] <hml> wallyworld: that’s what’s bugging me
[22:56] <wallyworld> wpk: the "isController" flag - that means is the connection for *this* controller or *any* controller? I assume *this* controller?
[22:57] <wpk> wallyworld: isController flag means that we're a controller, and then - as a controller we should connect to self only.
[22:58] <wallyworld> wpk: makes sense. could you expand the comment a little to make it very clear and that we are deliberately only returning api info with local host for that reason
[22:59] <wpk> wallyworld: and the MongoInfo stuff? That's a 'hack' (as it assumes that mongos are on the same IPs as controllers).
[23:00] <wallyworld> still digesting that bit, reading bug
[23:04] <wallyworld> wpk: so with the patch we try local mongo first but will fail over to connect to a mongo on a different controller if needed. but i'm not sure that we shouldn't just be waiting until out own mongo becomes available. ie controller and mongo tied together. if mongo not available on a controller yet, wait for it. maybe need a second opinion
[23:05] <wpk> wallyworld: "waiting until out own mongo becomes available" <- that could never happen (see my comment on the bug)
[23:07] <wallyworld> right, we have a problem. but maybe the solution lies elsewhere. i'm not sure we're fixing the correct root cause. i am not sure it makes sense for a controller to talk to anything other than it's own mongo. but i may be wrong. i'd like to see what john thinks
[23:07] <wallyworld> it's not super critical to land this right away as 2.3.3 has gone out
[23:08] <wpk> wallyworld: we've had a discussion today and that was one of the proposals
[23:08] <wallyworld> oh, i see. john was happy with the approach taken?
[23:08] <thumper> anyone.. https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8388
[23:09] <wpk> wallyworld: (and the controller talks to mongo master, not only own mongo - it just has to know where the other mongos are and we're giving only localhost, then mongo itself tells about all other peers)
[23:09] <wallyworld> wpk: i guess it will be temporary and will correct itself and then the controller will stil use local host
[23:09] <thumper> wpk: this may be what jam and I discussed the other day
[23:09] <wpk> wallyworld: the other approach would be to limit connections to localhost only after the controller is really a controller (hasVote)
[23:10] <wallyworld> right, i would have maybe preferred that but if john is happy
[23:10] <wpk> I'm gathering opinions :)
[23:10] <wallyworld> i am just wary about hw doign this current approach may affect HA
[23:10] <wpk> Democracy and stuff
[23:11] <wallyworld> i am not an expert here, just have an opinion
[23:11] <thumper> wpk: I don't agree with wallyworld and roger
[23:11] <thumper> just saying
[23:11] <thumper> wpk: if we are going to filter differently based on controller or not controller
[23:11] <thumper> I'd rather do that in the connection space, rather than the writing config space
[23:11] <thumper> we need a filter either way
[23:11] <thumper> and I'd rather it was closer to the connect
[23:12] <wallyworld> thumper: my point was that i disagree with the implicit assumption that localhost was always first
[23:12] <wpk> thumper: My first approach was the way Roger wanted (in config space), but it didn't worked so I moved it to connect code, it worked, but then I realized I have a race and it's just random
[23:12] <wallyworld> unless that is made very clear that's part of the contract
[23:12] <wpk> thumper: So here I agree with Roger and Ian
[23:12] <thumper> I was talking about api connect
[23:13] <thumper> are you talking about mongo connect?
[23:15] <wpk> API
[23:15] <wpk> mongo is a separate thing, that came out of comment/1 on this bug.
[23:16] <thumper> I like what we have, where we explicitly say []string{localAPIAddr}
[23:16] <thumper> and just that
[23:16] <thumper> don't assume localhost first
[23:18] <thumper> wpk: how did it work before?
[23:20] <thumper> wpk: if we only ever returned localhost before, how did HA work?
[23:22] <wpk> thumper: we returned localhost and all other addresses
[23:22] <wpk> thumper: (localhost first)
[23:22] <thumper> not in the MongoInfo function on the left
[23:23] <wpk> thumper: but connecting to other addresses during upgrade caused problems (that we've never reproduced, but we had consistent reports of them)
[23:23] <wpk> thumper: ah, for Mongo it worked because apicaller could connect to other controllers
[23:23] <thumper> I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing
[23:24] <thumper> ah...
[23:24] <wpk> thumper: and then machiner started, reported to other controller that this machine is alive, the other controller told mongo to connect 'this' mongo to replicaset
[23:24] <thumper> If we put localhost at the start of the Mongo info, does it happen to choose that first?
[23:24] <wpk> thumper: that's what in the code, but then it'll connect to master eventually
[23:25] <thumper> that happens at the driver level right?
[23:25] <wpk> thumper: even if we set MongoInfo to 'localhost' only it'll connect to master as it'll get it from local mongo, so it's not 'info', it's just 'seed'
[23:25]  * thumper nods
[23:27] <thumper> wpk: I'm adding a comment
[23:28] <thumper> wpk: actually, no comment, this makes sense to me now
[23:40] <wpk> OK, I'll fix the tests tomorrow and ask for acceptance.
[23:47] <anastasiamac> thumper: babbageclunk: team meet?..


[04:38] <wgrant> jtv: Do you happen to recall the purpose of the weird URL generation around POTemplate and POTemplateSubset? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/view/head:/lib/lp/translations/browser/potemplate.py#L745 is the relevant code. POTemplateURL links back to POTemplateSubsetURL, but that then links straight back up to the DistroSeries, constructing the SourcePackage URL manually, rather than linking back up to a ...
[04:38] <wgrant> ... SourcePackage. I can't see why it doesn't just return the SourcePackage in the inside property.
[04:38] <wgrant> I suspect there's no good reason for that, and I intend to fix it, but maybe there's something lurking in the depths of your memory.
[04:39] <wgrant> (there are custom IFacetMenu adapters in place for IPOTemplate and IPOFile to make things look correct despite the weird URL generation, and I discovered this madness when I removed them and tests failed)
[04:49] <wgrant> OK, that was added almost 9 years ago by SteveA, and I guess someone decided to add hundreds of lines of workarounds in the ensuing years rather than just fixing it..
[04:49]  * wgrant fixes.
[04:57] <jtv> wgrant: let me look...
[04:58] <jtv> That would have been before I got in on the game, and yes there were plenty of times when we didn't dare change things that were done for Reasons Unknown.
[04:59] <wgrant> Heh
[04:59] <wgrant> Yeah, it's moved around a bit, so it took a while to annotate it past the apocalypse etc. and work out just how ancient it was.
[05:00] <wgrant> Thanks for looking
[05:00] <wgrant> I think I'll just kill it and hope nothing breaks.
[05:04] <jtv> Yes, be bold.  Far too much better-keep-it in there.
[05:05] <jtv> I do recall we had some problems with the weird breadcrumb chains for POTemplates and POFiles.
[05:06] <wgrant> Yeah, I saw the weird overridey bits in my travels yesterday and deleted them, because the defaults should have worked fine
[05:06] <jtv> Because a POTemplate nests in either a ProductSeries, or a combination of a SourcePackageName and a DistroSeries (there was no direct representation of that in the DB at the time)
[05:06] <wgrant> But then that broke buildbot because it went POTemplate -> POTemplateSubset -> DistroSeries rather than the expected POTemplate -> SourcePackage -> DistroSeries
[05:06] <wgrant> Right
[05:07] <jtv> And then a POFile happens at the crossroads of a POTemplate and a Language, so again there is no good natural breadcrumbs chain.
[05:08] <wgrant> Yep


[03:17] <wolfraven> Hello Room!  Can anyone help me with edubuntu resources.  I need good resources for developing a presentation to our Schools board of directors on why we should expose our students to edubuntu....
[03:19] <wolfraven> I am sure this wheel has already been invented several times and I really don't feel like spending too much effort reinventing it if someone can show me where the wheel yard is :)
[03:22] <wolfraven> We are about to receive a large donation of computers and we are in the early stages of discussing our computer resource implementation plan and I feel we should utilize edubuntu for many reasons, just wonder if anyone knows links to presentations that will highlight those reasons.
[06:48] <chris143> having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas?????
[06:51] <chris143> installed 10.04 alternate CD but did not choose LTSP at install.. later I installed ltsp-standalone-server... all other client features work (localdev, video etc.) but no sound.. where should I look?
[07:01] <chris143> having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas?????
[14:23] <Bokica> hi
[14:23] <Bokica> i need a little help
[14:23] <Bokica> can somebody tell me from where i can download edubuntu 7.1
[14:23] <Bokica> because all links that i found was death
[14:24] <Bokica> ??
[14:42] <highvoltage> Bokica: Hi
[14:43] <highvoltage> Why Edubuntu 7.10? It's ancient :)
[14:49] <Bokica> yeah i know
[14:50] <Bokica> but i really need that version
[14:50] <highvoltage> Bokica: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/7.10/
[14:51] <Bokica> how i cant found this :(
[14:51] <highvoltage> Bokica: note the big warning in red text and also keep in mind that it's unsupported and probably insecure in a bunch of other ways
[14:51] <Bokica> thanks a lot
[14:51] <highvoltage> Bokica: I wondered that too, since it was the first result when I Google searched it ;)
[14:51] <Bokica> :D
[14:52] <Bokica> i cant opened that page before
[14:52] <Bokica> i dont know why
[14:53] <Bokica> thanks a lot againg
[14:53] <Bokica> again*
[14:53] <highvoltage> you're welcome
[20:03] <highvoltage> ooh, Edubuntu meeting time!
[20:04] <alkisg> oops
[23:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi. an alternative to using edubuntu in the classroom besides ltsp would be a private cloud?
[23:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi HedgeMage
[23:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbleavene around anymore?
[23:05] <dgroos1> Hi Ahmuck-Jr
[23:05] <alkisg> He hasn't shown up for a long time
[23:06] <alkisg> Too much work, I guess...
[23:06] <dgroos1> Yeah, I was wondering about Scott as well.
[23:06] <dgroos1> Did he say adios or...?
[23:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> did he leave after me?
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi dgroos long time no chat
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> sorta :)
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> has the edubuntu team looked at anything besides ltsp?
[23:07] <dgroos1> sometimes these things can be a bit too asynchronous...
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> such as ldap/nfs, etc. combo or cloud ?
[23:07] <alkisg> To satisfy what needs?
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> well, ltsp simply didn't work for us
[23:08] <alkisg> ldap and nfs can be installed on edubuntu, sure... there are how-tos for that
[23:08] <alkisg> Why not? I mean, what are your specific requirements?
[23:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> in edubutu, does it cover multiple stable setups?
[23:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: something that works :)
[23:08] <alkisg> ltsp works for thousand of people
[23:08] <alkisg> Maybe your needs are different, but you need to state them if you want us to propose something to you
[23:10] <dgroos1> Ahmuck-Jr.  may I guess that it is the challenges of using LTSP on top of all the other challenges of using open source software in general or might I say technology in general?
[23:10] <dgroos1> ...the problem solving never seems to end...
[23:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, i went through about 5 different machine configurations, and something didn't work quite correctly on each platform.  the next step was buy new machines, and that wasn't in the budget
[23:11] <dgroos1> on that note :) ... alkisg:  I've just got my computers set up and am testing sch-scripts...
[23:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> sound, SDL, video, firefox/flash, something
[23:12] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: well, if it's a hardware problem with linux (no drivers for specific hardware), then you'd need different hardware or OS, edubuntu doesn't have any drivers that linux doesn't already have
[23:12] <dgroos1> I can relate--wondering how to make sound work properly right now, but it isn't the challenge in front of me at this second...
[23:13] <alkisg> So, if one standalone edubuntu installation doesn't work for you, there's no point in looking at nfs, ldap etc
[23:13] <alkisg> That comes *after* the hardware is working
[23:13] <Ahmuck-Jr_> standalone worked great
[23:13] <Ahmuck-Jr_> it was through ltsp that it failed
[23:14] <alkisg> Then try fat clients, it's like standalone installations
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> sorry, i timed out
[23:14] <alkisg> With central authentication + nfs
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> alkisg: like i said, another set of machines, not in the budget
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> but i have wondered about private clouds
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> and if anybody tried them
[23:14] <dgroos1> alkisg: can you help with this sch-script question?  I'm running sch-script on a client right now and tried to share a screen and got this...
[23:15] <dgroos1> sch-scripts error: XAUTHORITY is not defined
[23:15] <dgroos1> /usr/share/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user: 1: cannot create /var/log/sch-scripts.log: Permission denied
[23:15] <Ahmuck-Jr_> seriously, i'm not here to bug about ltsp, but rather to find out if anybody has tried other "classroom" confiuraitons
[23:15] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr_: I've tried fat clients, they work great for me. Boot in 13 seconds instead of 50 locally, and have nfs + cental authentication out of the box.
[23:15] <alkisg> (with ltsp)
[23:16] <alkisg> dgroos1: where are you seeing those messages?
[23:16] <Ahmuck-Jr_> thanks
[23:17] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr_: and, google earth, firefox, flash etc everything works fine, they're exactly like standalone installations
[23:17] <dgroos1> Ahmuck-Jr_ would it be helpful if there were an image of a server, basically all set up with just a few things to customize that already all the programs, NAT forwarding (pretty much) plugins installed, etc?
[23:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: i know it works for you.  didn't for me
[23:17] <alkisg> You tried fat clients? That's lucid-only...
[23:18] <Ahmuck-Jr> never bothered with lucid.  closed the ltsp lab by that point
[23:18] <alkisg> Right, that's what I'm saying, it's something new
[23:18] <dgroos1> That is what I would like, a huge disk image that I could use Clonezilla and blast it onto my server...
[23:18] <Ahmuck-Jr> lucid is pre-setup?
[23:18] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
[23:19] <alkisg> Fat client support in ltsp was implemented in lucid, not before
[23:19] <alkisg> It's an alternative to thin clients, a completely different model
[23:19] <dgroos1> alkisg: I see them on the terminal.  To start sch-scripts I typed in a client's terminal: sudo sch-scripts
[23:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> so anybody hear from Scott?
[23:21] <alkisg> dgroos1: so, you're using a thin client setup (with localapps), you have sch-scripts installed on the server and sch-client on the chroot, and run sch-scripts from a client, and get a xauthority error?
[23:21] <dgroos1> and when I do commands on the gui, there is output on the terminal.
[23:21] <dgroos1> hmmm... not sure if I installed sch-client...
[23:22] <alkisg> Are the clients autodetected?
[23:22] <dgroos1> YES!
[23:22] <alkisg> ***before logging in to ldm***?
[23:22] <dgroos1> yes
[23:22] <alkisg> OK, then you have sch-client installed
[23:23] <alkisg> Does lock screen etc work?
[23:23] <dgroos1> lock screen did, control did not.  Also, couldn't get the full name option to work.
[23:23] <alkisg> OK, let's take this one by one
[23:24] <alkisg> (you're not using our setup instructions, as they're specific to our setups, so you might be missing something)
[23:24] <dgroos1> sure
[23:24] <alkisg> Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot?
[23:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: i hear your going for your masters?
[23:25] <alkisg> (it's installed automatically for us, it's on the sch-client "Recommends:" list)
[23:25] <dgroos1> not sure I'll check
[23:25] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: no, I got that already, I'm doing my phd currently (taken a leave of absense from teaching)
[23:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah
[23:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> btw, noticed greece was in trouble financially, how did that affect you?
[23:26] <alkisg> They cut off about 200€ from our salaries... but after the EU ...loan (I don't know the word) it looks like it's going to stabilize now
[23:28] <dgroos1> I went to synaptic, typed in x11vnc and it says that it's installed...
[23:28] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: so, if standalone edubuntu installations are working for you, what more are you looking for? Ease of installation? Shared /home?
[23:28] <alkisg> dgroos1: no, not on the server
[23:28] <alkisg> Hmmm wait
[23:28] <alkisg> Thin clients, so yeah, on the server
[23:29] <alkisg> So you're seeing the clients with thumbnails, and when you double click on them, you get that xauthority message?
[23:30] <dgroos1> Yes, also then.
[23:31] <alkisg> OK. Does teacher "broadcasting" works?
[23:31] <alkisg> (showing the teacher screen)
[23:31] <dgroos1> I think I translated that as, 'share teacher screen' and it also doesn't work, giving the identical xauthority error
[23:32] <dgroos1> One thing is, I think that it things the teacher screen is the server and not the thin client I'm logged into.  Is that possible?
[23:33] <alkisg> It may be, in our case the teacher is always sitting at the server. But I'm interested on fixing that, if that's a bug...
[23:33] <alkisg> (btw we just implemented a "create a bunch of users" feature, it'll be out in september)
[23:34] <dgroos1> cool :)
[23:34] <alkisg> dgroos1: if you run echo $XAUTHORITY, you do get something, right?
[23:34] <alkisg> (on the thin client, logged on as the "teacher")
[23:35] <dgroos1> In a new terminal I typed that in and a blank line was returned.
[23:35] <alkisg> Then there's something very wrong with your setup... hmm...
[23:35] <alkisg> Let me boot a thin client and compare..
[23:37] <dgroos1> You know, I'm also accessing the server via NX and tried to type in echo $XAUTHORITY and there too a blank line was returned...
[23:39] <dgroos1> And, I logged into the server via ssh as another user and got the same blank line returned...
[23:39] <alkisg> dgroos1: can you try closing sch-scripts, and running this?
[23:39] <dgroos1> ready... :)
[23:39] <alkisg> sudo XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority sch-scripts
[23:42] <dgroos1> it opens sch-scripts.  When I try to share-screen it give 4 lines of this: cat: /proc/2424/environ: Permission denied
[23:42] <dgroos1> then produces multitudes of lines of this: ** (vinagre:6541): WARNING **: Resolving failed: Timeout reached
[23:43] <dgroos1> forgot to mention, it opens a Remote Desktop Viewer window.
[23:43] <alkisg> OK, let me try running sch-scripts locally from a thin client (as opposed from the server), and I'll tell you in a while how that goes for me.
[23:43] <dgroos1> 'k
[23:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> l8r
[23:56] <dgroos1> alkisg: I just went to the server (I've had the door unlocked) and tried sch-scripts on that and it didn't work like it had before.  I wonder if NX interferes with it?
[23:57] <alkisg> dgroos1: if problems happen, the sch-scripts sometimes needs restarting to get right again.
[23:57] <alkisg> Now problems happened because you run sch-scripts on a thin client, and the code wasn't ready for that
[23:57] <dgroos1> So... in other words, something has happened to my install as it used to work on the server, at least.  should I reboot the server?
[23:57] <alkisg> No
[23:57] <alkisg> sudo restart sch-scripts
[23:57] <alkisg> But you'd have to reboot the clients though
[23:58] <alkisg> I saw the problem, trying to get sch-scripts to run from a thin client...
[23:59] <alkisg> (it's not only xauthority, it's dbus too)


[05:24] <dtchen> fta: unfortunately, probably both hardware and software.
[05:24] <dtchen> fta: the good news is that to some degree, software can be improved to compensate
[11:07] <gnomefreak> asac: fta any plans on getting umd ppa packages into mt ppa?
[12:36] <asac> gnomefreak: no. umd is a daily archive
[12:36] <asac> mt has not direction atm
[12:37] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[12:37] <asac> so the name is out?
[12:37] <asac> good
[12:38] <gnomefreak> we should have a ppa for somewhat up to date tb3 ff3* ect..
[12:38] <gnomefreak> im working on intrepid adn hardy SM2 beta1
[12:39] <asac> yeah
[12:39] <asac> we can add ff 3.0 to umd
[12:39] <asac> but thats not really tracking something stable
[12:40] <asac> i am not sure whats better ... runing a ubuntu-mozilla-backports PPA or putting stuff into ubuntu-backports rather
[12:41] <gnomefreak> that makes sence. the only issue i have with umd is maybe not so smart for people to run since it is daily and they are not tested before usage
[12:41] <gnomefreak> firefox 3.1 and 3.2 is what i meant
[12:43] <gnomefreak> example thunderbird 3.0 is borked in UMD  that could cause a crap load of people not testing anymore of our packages (not everyone)
[12:43] <asac> yeah
[12:43] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit im going to spin these and my system is going to be too slow to do shit with
[12:44] <asac> but we also want folks like [reed] that like to run the bloody dailies ... we want to help discover and track down regression for instance
[12:44] <asac> for instance, I am running our dailies now ... and i am quite happy
[12:46] <gnomefreak> i am running them and everything is fine i just pinned tb3 to the ~fta version
[13:01] <asac> yeah
[13:02] <asac> tb3 is next on my list after security backports and one more tiny thing
[14:05] <fta> hi
[14:05] <fta> i'm glad to see you like the dailies :)
[17:27] <BUGabundo> fta: ping
[17:27] <BUGabundo> after installing the daily wgibber
[17:27] <BUGabundo> that now requires python 2.6
[17:28] <BUGabundo> it fails to start
[17:28] <BUGabundo> $ gwibber
[17:28] <BUGabundo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[17:28] <BUGabundo>   File "/usr/local/bin/gwibber", line 10, in <module>
[17:28] <BUGabundo>     import sys, logging, gtk, optparse
[17:28] <BUGabundo> ImportError: No module named gtk
[17:28] <BUGabundo> or is it 'cause I had it install from bzr?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> let me purge it
[18:05] <RainCT> Hey
[18:06] <RainCT> asac: How is it looking this time, are new extensions still accepted (like last cycle)?
[18:12] <BUGabundo> fta: purging and reinstalling doesn't fix it
[18:33] <fta> BUGabundo, let me try
[18:43] <BUGabundo> fta: looking at archive changes
[18:43] <BUGabundo> python 2.6 suffered some changes
[18:44] <BUGabundo> that could be the cause of this
[18:44] <fta> works fine for me
[18:44] <BUGabundo> bug 332623
[18:44] <BUGabundo> not here
[18:45] <fta>  /usr/local/bin/gwibber, it's not any of my debs
[18:45] <BUGabundo> its the daily
[18:45] <BUGabundo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html
[18:45] <BUGabundo> I purged it twice just to be sure
[18:46] <BUGabundo> $ whereis gwibber
[18:46] <BUGabundo> gwibber: /usr/bin/gwibber /usr/local/bin/gwibber /usr/share/gwibber
[18:46] <fta> gasp, what happened to the packaging branch???
[18:46] <BUGabundo> $ ls /usr/local/bin/gwibber
[18:46] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.1K 2009-02-20 12:59 /usr/local/bin/gwibber*
[18:46] <BUGabundo> bugabundo@blubug:~$ ls /usr/bin/gwibber
[18:46] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.1K 2009-02-20 12:59 /usr/bin/gwibber*
[18:46] <BUGabundo> same date
[18:47] <BUGabundo> fta: ha?
[18:47] <fta> it's back in /usr/local while i fixed that a while ago
[18:47] <fta> i'll have a look after dinner.
[18:47] <BUGabundo> any workaround for now?
[18:48] <fta> but anyway, it works here, despite the wrong install dir
[18:48] <BUGabundo> " For new Python versions packaged in Debian this will change so that an installation into /usr (not /usr/local) requires an extra option to distutils install command (--install-layout=deb)"
[18:49] <fta> it seems i have both /usr and /usr/local now, wtf?
[18:49] <fta> BUGabundo, where does that come from?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> from doko email
[18:50] <BUGabundo> link above
[18:50] <BUGabundo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html
[18:50] <fta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python2.6And3.0
[18:50] <BUGabundo> hum I'll downgrade to an older version
[18:50] <BUGabundo> until you fix this
[18:51] <BUGabundo> fta: will you keep your PPAs copy?
[18:52] <BUGabundo> or are you just working now on daily?
[18:52] <BUGabundo> if so, should you remove your ppa's package of gwibber?
[18:52] <fta> why?
[18:52] <fta> it should not hurt anyone
[18:52] <BUGabundo> just asking
[18:52] <BUGabundo> I have it, as the older version
[18:52] <BUGabundo> strange I don't see the Universe one
[18:53] <BUGabundo> soulndt it be already uploaded?
[18:53] <fta> because it's not there yet
[18:53] <BUGabundo> or did it fail to build somewhere
[18:53] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[18:53] <fta> it's still waiting in the NEW queue
[18:53] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gwibber
[19:01] <BUGabundo> fta: trunk bzr is working
[19:03] <BUGabundo> but it only has rev 244
[19:03] <BUGabundo> while the daily has 246
[19:05] <BUGabundo> where are the other 2 commits ? wtf
[19:06] <BUGabundo> bbl
[21:11] <fta> bug 114565
[21:12] <BUGabundo> fta: I was trying your GEarth package
[21:13] <BUGabundo> and it just restarted my X
[21:13] <BUGabundo> :(((((
[21:13] <fta> not my fault
[21:13] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:13] <fta> blame google
[21:13] <BUGabundo> no?
[21:13] <fta> it works fine here
[21:13] <BUGabundo> I haven't even install it
[21:14] <fta> 4 different pcs
[21:14] <BUGabundo> it was just the build of the package
[21:14] <BUGabundo> make-googleearth-package
[21:14] <fta> yes
[21:14] <BUGabundo> and the bin is incomplete :(
[21:14]  * BUGabundo is afraid of trying it again
[21:16] <fta> incomplete?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> it won't run
[21:16] <BUGabundo> bash: ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Text file busy
[21:16] <fta> lol
[21:16] <fta> what is that? what are you doing to get that?
[21:17] <BUGabundo> make-googleearth-package
[21:17] <BUGabundo> then X restarted
[21:17] <BUGabundo> I came her
[21:17] <BUGabundo> *here
[21:17] <BUGabundo> and then tried to run the bin
[21:17] <BUGabundo> and that was printed
[21:18] <fta> make-googleearth-package is just a script dling the bin from gogle and producing a deb. you then have to install the deb, and run the app from the menu
[21:18] <BUGabundo> hummm
[21:18] <BUGabundo> strange then
[21:19] <fta> don't even try to run GoogleEarthLinux.bin, it's shell installer
[21:19] <BUGabundo> 'cause I only got that bin
[21:19] <BUGabundo> maybe it didn't finish
[21:19] <BUGabundo> 'cause of the X restart
[21:22] <fta> should not touch anything. it works in the temp dir, extracts the blob, creates the deb, cleans-up, that's it
[21:23] <fta> here, it creates googleearth_5.0.11337.1968+<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[21:23] <BUGabundo> not here
[21:23] <BUGabundo> :\\
[21:23] <BUGabundo> crazy script you have there
[21:24] <fta> it's not mine, i just fixed it to support GE5
[21:24] <BUGabundo> did you test it on 64bits?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> could that be the cause?
[21:24] <fta> yes
[21:25] <BUGabundo> ah
[21:27] <fta> lol
[21:27] <fta> yes to "did you test it on 64bits?"
[21:27] <BUGabundo> of course it can also be something mixed between your package, and the medibuntu
[21:27] <BUGabundo> cause their site has one pack that I don't have
[21:27] <BUGabundo> http://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/googleearth.html
[21:28] <BUGabundo> http://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/googleearth-data.html
[21:29] <fta> BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/121193/
[21:30] <fta> why are you always trying to mix sources? you're really looking for troubles
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I'm not
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I already had medibuntu before adding yours
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I just removed all GE packages
[21:32] <BUGabundo> and am trying your again
[21:32] <fta> mine is just an update of the one in the official repo
[21:32] <BUGabundo> if I go down, I will it failed
[21:32] <fta> :)
[21:33] <BUGabundo> $ make-googleearth-package
[21:33] <BUGabundo> GoogleEarthLinux.bin: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Unrecognized Google Earth version (use --force to build anyway)
[21:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:33] <BUGabundo> last time I did not get this!!!!!
[21:33] <fta> $ which make-googleearth-package
[21:33] <fta> /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package
[21:34] <fta> rm GoogleEarthLinux.bin and start any
[21:34] <fta> -any+again
[21:34] <BUGabundo> /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package
[21:34] <BUGabundo> downlng now
[21:37] <BUGabundo> building
[21:37] <BUGabundo> echoing losts of warnings...
[21:37] <BUGabundo> a few PATHs
[21:40] <BUGabundo> still building
[21:41] <fta> i need to reboot. brb
[21:41] <BUGabundo> fta:  dpkg-deb: building package `googleearth' in `./googleearth_5.0.11337.1968+<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb'.
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Success!
[21:42] <fta> good
[21:42] <BUGabundo> don't know what happended
[21:43] <fta> does it work?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> trying now
[21:43] <BUGabundo> go reboot... ill be here
[21:54] <BUGabundo> hello
[21:54] <BUGabundo> its working
[21:58] <fta> excellent
[21:58] <BUGabundo> have no idea what happened the 1st time
[21:59] <BUGabundo> maybe my X logs will let me know
[21:59] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:28] <BUGabundo1> asac: ping
[22:29] <BUGabundo1> since I got the new NM, I need to /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:29] <BUGabundo1> to have 3G work, after un/plug
[22:29] <BUGabundo1> do want me to file a bug?
[22:29] <fta> lol, apport bug, it crashes with: OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/_usr_bin_gwibber.1000.crash'
[22:31] <BUGabundo1> humm
[22:31] <BUGabundo1> haven't had one of those in a while
[22:32] <BUGabundo1> fta: any idea why there are less two revisions?
[22:32] <BUGabundo1> daily has 246, but trunk is 244
[22:35] <fta> because oldnamuk uncommitted 3 revs yesterday and re-committed it as only 1
[22:36] <fta> so last night, the bot got: Rejected: gwibber_0.9.1~bzr244-0ubuntu1~daily1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.9.1~bzr244-0ubuntu1~daily1 <= 0.9.1~bzr246-0ubuntu1~daily2
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/332706
[22:37] <fta> AttributeError: 'GwibberClient' object has no attribute 'add_tab'
[22:37] <BUGabundo1> one more user confirmed similar prob on #u+1
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> he shouldn't do that!! only if it was something serious
[22:38] <fta> 180+ tabs, time to kill a few
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> I've manage to have few...
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> 3G won't allow me much
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[22:39] <BUGabundo1> but I have here a FF 3.0 profile with 8 wind and 200 tabs
[22:39] <BUGabundo1> fta: who would work on this bug 305567?
[22:40] <BUGabundo1> and do you think that this is applied by ubufox?
[22:40] <fta> in 3.2 without ubufox, it works fine
[22:40] <fta> (i hate ubufox)
[22:41] <BUGabundo1> let me test a new profile of 3.2
[22:41] <BUGabundo1> yep, 3.2 works
[22:46] <fta> "I rejected gwibber because it appears to be an architecture independent
[22:46] <fta> package but used 'Architecture: any'. It should instead use
[22:46] <fta> 'Architecture: all'. Please see the Ubuntu Policy for details."
[22:46] <fta> jcastro, ^^
[22:46] <BUGabundo1> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[22:47] <BUGabundo1> fta: who did the reject?
[22:47] <fta> Jamie Strandboge
[22:51] <BUGabundo1> fta: can you confirm bug 332623?
[22:57] <fta> missing avatars again
[22:57] <fta> missing avatars again
[22:58] <fta> but no empty file in my cache
[22:59] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:59] <BUGabundo> got that too for 2 days now
[23:02] <RainCT> How is it looking this time with feature freeze, are FFe for new extensions still being granted like last cycle?
[23:02]  * BUGabundo checks cache
[23:02] <BUGabundo> fta: remind me: where is the cache?
[23:03] <fta> RainCT: you should ask asac, last time, i was his backup, this time, i'm not sure ;)
[23:03] <fta> BUGabundo, ~/.cache/gwibber/images
[23:03] <RainCT> hehe
[23:03] <RainCT> poked him this morning but he didn't answer :/
[23:04] <BUGabundo> I only have 2 zero bytes
[23:05] <fta> BUGabundo, 5 out of the last 7 messages have no avatar, but I have no 0 byte files in my cache
[23:06] <fta> http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-10?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
[23:06] <fta> i want one of those
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I rather get a new job
[23:08] <fta> ?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ... before starting to expend money on gadjets
[23:12] <BUGabundo> nice
[23:12] <BUGabundo> pidgin lib notify mem leak...
[23:12] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:12] <BUGabundo> 3 times today
[23:22] <fta> lol http://i.gizmodo.com/5156903/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-9-into-the-ultimate-os-x-netbook?skyline=true&s=x
[23:23] <BUGabundo> its not friday, but its always fun : http://www.funtasticus.com/20090220/friday-wild-girls-february-20-2009/
[23:25] <fta> already got it
[23:30] <BUGabundo>      2   0.00s   1.92s 360.1M 16504K      0     0    0    0  96% metacity
[23:30] <fta> fta       4841  0.3  0.7  31836 14848 ?        S    Feb21   0:23 metacity
[23:31] <BUGabundo> metacity just went crazy


[04:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:22] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:08] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[08:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[08:41] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well today?
[08:43] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, yes, just can't sleep ...spent too much time asleep in my easy chair last night :-)
[08:43] <BluesKaj> How about you?
[08:44] <ducasse> got woken up by the cat early today, she was up so nobody else got to sleep
[08:47] <BluesKaj> demanding your attention eh?
[08:48] <ducasse> yup, attention and breakfast
[08:48] <ducasse> had to serve food, and i could get started on my morning
[08:50] <BluesKaj> gonna be "interesting" day here, cable internet tech is coming to do a "professional installation" read more costs for me. After all this trouble they'd better get it working or I'll be asking for a refund
[08:52]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee
[08:53] <ducasse> well, good luck with that!
[08:53] <JimBuntu> g'morn. Good luck on the cable install BluesKaj. Give Luna some extra love for me ducasse, after all... cats are not people.
[08:55] <ducasse> hi JimBuntu - i'll do that, thanks :) how's your morning?
[08:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu thanks, i'll probly need some luck today :-)
[08:57]  * BluesKaj heads to the kitchen for more coffee
[08:58] <JimBuntu> Well ducasse I have started my morning about 1.5 hours ahead of schedule, but it's going well so far. My back is still hurting from a fall over the weekend, but not nearly as much as it was, so that too is a good thing.
[08:59] <ducasse> JimBuntu: ouch, hope it improves soon! get better!
[09:01] <JimBuntu> Thanks ducasse, it's getting better, day by day, basically hurt my tail bone and surrounding area. I can't remember the last time I hurt myself like this.
[09:01] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, I wish you luck then as well, hope your back heals well.
[09:05] <JimBuntu> Thanks BluesKaj
[09:06] <BluesKaj> I've had back muscle strains and pulls over the years, so I can sympathize
[15:30] <BluesKaj> OK, ISP tech came and installed new cable, router working great, speed upt o 104mb DL  and 11.5mb UL ..big diff from running 7mb for the last 17 yrs or so.
[15:30] <oerheks> nice :-)
[15:31] <oerheks> Do they give you a refund?
[15:31] <ducasse> congrats, BluesKaj :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> oerheks, nope they fixed my problem so no refund
[15:32] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse :-)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> the tech guy was a real pro and fast worker, probly a contract guy, paid by the job
[15:34] <oerheks> those are the best: no coffee and rapid labour
[15:34] <BluesKaj> now I have to call and cancel the previous ISP service
[15:36] <ducasse> time to start torrenting? ;)
[15:41] <JimBuntu> Very glad to hear it BluesKaj, 100+mbps down is great.
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse, with those speed ... going to get in trouble faster (assuming some actions aren't on the up-and-up)
[15:47] <daftykins> BluesKaj: excellent news :D welcome to the real internet
[15:50] <ducasse> hey daftykins - painted those windows yet? :)
[15:50] <daftykins> :( meanie
[15:50] <daftykins> nope i haven't touched a brush!
[15:50] <daftykins> i suppose right now would be an ideal time...
[15:51] <ducasse> nah, there's plenty of time, spring is just getting started :)
[15:52] <daftykins> there is that, although the sooner i get them done and the scaffold taken away, another one becomes easier to access
[15:52] <daftykins> although young Mischief may mourn its' loss
[15:53] <ducasse> the scaffold? i guess it's great for cats to climb,,,
[15:54] <daftykins> sure is
[15:58]  * oerheks used to be scaffolder
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, I have no idea what that was supposed to mean
[16:15] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: your message just now said "#ubuntu+offtopic"
[16:15] <nacc> that's not the channel name, afaik
[16:15] <JimBuntu>  News from softpedia: Canonical Needs Your Help to Test GNOME Memory Leak Patches in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS <http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-wants-you-to-test-gnome-memory-leak-patches-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts-520751.shtml>
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, oh
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> I had a typo
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> !ot
[16:15] <ubot5`> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[16:15] <JimBuntu> nacc, maybe pragmaticenigma was secretly making sure Guest didn't come here
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> hyphens are so negative... I was trying to stay positive
[16:16] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: yeah :)
[16:16] <daftykins> believe me, that channel is a lot more negative ;)
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> probably best I don't go there then
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> :-)
[16:18] <oerheks> your a genious ..
[16:18] <oerheks> #ubuntu+offtopic - support && offtopic :-D
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> yeah! there we go
[16:20] <SlidingHorn> lol perect
[16:20] <SlidingHorn> perfect*
[16:20] <oerheks> i am not sure what will happen, guidelines say single # is an official support room.
[16:21] <oerheks> .. but you are welcome
[16:46] <tgm4883> nacc: moving this to -discuss
[16:47] <nacc> ack
[16:47] <tgm4883> nacc: so what if it can change between runs of free. That doesn't negate what is required for the program to run
[16:47] <oerheks> his question is oddly stated indeed
[16:49] <tgm4883> oerheks: well that's what the page he linked to says
[16:49] <nacc> tgm4883: let's say you run free and it says you have 512M free
[16:50] <tgm4883> ok
[16:50] <nacc> but of your memory 5G is page cache
[16:50] <nacc> you actually have 5.5 G free
[16:50] <nacc> if you just discard the page cache
[16:50] <tgm4883> ok
[16:50] <nacc> but their page says you can't run their IDE
[16:51] <tgm4883> Sure, but lets say I have 8GB of RAM. I have a SQL server that requires 4GB of RAM, a webserver that requires 2GB of RAM, and an application that requires 6GB of RAM. My server's going to be unhappy when it tries to run all three of those at the same time
[16:52] <nacc> *maybe*
[16:52] <nacc> a) overcommit is common
[16:52] <nacc> b) 'requiring XX RAM' unless you mlock it is not a requirement
[16:53] <tgm4883> nacc: ok, but now we're arguing over "this is the minimum the program needs to function" and "this is the configuration we're willing and able to support"
[16:53] <tgm4883> nacc: Mostly, those stated requirements are probably to cut down on support calls
[16:54] <nacc> tgm4883: my point was simply, if a website says you need 'XX memory free', it's indeterminate if you actually have that much free for an application to use, unless you drop caches (at least) immediately before checking free
[16:54] <nacc> as the kernel will rightfully use all of memory for page cache if it can
[16:55] <tgm4883> nacc: argueably you could take the free column and the cache column and find a relevant enough answer
[16:56] <nacc> tgm4883: i suppose that's true...
[16:56] <nacc> tgm4883: which i guess then should be amended in #ubuntu :)
[17:41] <lotus|Bq> hi
[17:41] <daftykins> \o
[17:42] <lotus|Bq> testing from phone
[17:42] <daftykins> :D
[17:42] <BluesKaj> alright , vpn back inservice after changing dns servers in the router
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Montreal Debian and Redhat sponsered DNS , kind of cool reallly :-)
[18:00] <kostkon> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/get-your-terminal-ready-to-hack-the-planet-in-off-grid-with-a-new-trailer-confirmed-for-same-day-linux-release.11613
[21:53] <SlidingHorn> apparently people are spreading FUD in reddit comment threads about the data collection in 18.04.  I'm correcting the record as I see them
[21:54] <daftykins> what's the new deal, another fiasco like the amazon shopping lenses all over again?
[21:55] <SlidingHorn> opt-in for upgrades, opt-out for new installs...just basic stuff, version/flavor, mfg info, country, y/n to 3rd party codecs, y/n to download updates during install, etc.
[21:55] <daftykins> ah reet
[21:56] <SlidingHorn> There are some folks who obviously have an agenda though, as some of the posts I make get downvoted from time to time
[21:57] <oerheks> they hear *data* and heartbeat rises 15%
[21:59] <oerheks> when i read *bloated* i get the feeling they want to share their perfect setup.
[21:59] <SlidingHorn> exactly.  I just try to answer with facts and sources...nothing opinionated


[11:06] <dibblego> is there a documented way to add launchers and other applets to the panel, using the command line?
[15:40] <alkisg> I don't know, but you should be able to create your own layout from the command line, it's just a text file
[15:40] <alkisg> ls /usr/share/mate-panel/layouts