[07:57] <pitti> Good morning
[07:57] <Sweetshark> Morning!
[07:57] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, wie gehts?
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> good morning pitti and Sweetshark
[07:58] <Sweetshark> super, aber immer noch etwas ueberwaeltigt ;)
[07:59] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson -- oh you are up early :)
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, woken by my daughter again ;)
[07:59] <pitti> Sweetshark: oha? from the new staff tasks? a lot to absorb, yes..
[08:00] <Sweetshark> pitti: Ich bin jetzt nochmal kurz fuer ca. 30 minuten weg, Post an HR zur Post bringen. Ist das ok?
[08:00] <Sweetshark> ups
[08:01] <Sweetshark> sorry should have pm'ed that. ;)
[08:01] <pitti> /msg Sweetshark oh, the s3kr1t world domination plans? but don't tell anyone!
[08:01] <didrocks> good morning
[08:01] <Sweetshark> hrhr
[08:01] <bbordwell> didrocks, good morning, i was just looking for you
[08:01]  * didrocks hides
[08:01] <didrocks> :)
[08:02] <bbordwell> yes....I saw you were a member of the ubuntu MIR team and I filed a MIR i just wanted to get some feedback about it
[08:02] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:02] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, wie geht's?
[08:02] <bbordwell> and good morning pitti and sweetshark and everyone else
[08:03] <didrocks> bbordwell: which one? normally mterry do the assignement for us
[08:03] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/711061
[08:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711061 in ubuntu "[MIR] libopenjpeg" [Undecided,New]
[08:03] <didrocks> but we are really busy right now and the MIR can take some time to proceed :/
[08:03] <Sweetshark> win 5
[08:03] <bbordwell> didrocks, yes I figured. I am just a bug control member so i am not too familiar with MIR
[08:04]  * Sweetshark is in serious need of a strong coffee ...
[08:04] <didrocks> bbordwell: oh, you just open it few days ago. Yeah, it will take more time than that (2 weeks maybe?) :)
[08:04] <didrocks> bbordwell: it's some kind of long FIFO list :)
[08:04] <bbordwell> alright well i wont bother you with it then nevermind i said anything
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: hm, I have a stuck shotwell icon sticking out of my left window border; do you happen to know how I get rid of it?
[08:05] <didrocks> bbordwell: no worry, it can just take time :)
[08:05] <didrocks> pitti: like, with the autohide, the icon left on screen still?
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: half of it; and only for shotwell (which I haven't touched at all today)
[08:05] <didrocks> pitti: there are some reference likes in the panel, so yeah
[08:05] <pitti> I tried opening and closing shotwell, didn't help
[08:06] <didrocks> let's say "known" and the launcher will have some rewrite for next release
[08:06] <didrocks> so hopefully, that will get fixed
[08:06] <didrocks> leaks*
[08:06] <didrocks> "reference leaks"
[08:07] <pitti> ok, so I won't bother with a bug report yet; thanks
[08:07] <didrocks> no, the only way for now to deal with it is to restart unity
[08:08] <didrocks> bbordwell: btw, the MIR has to be filed against the source package I fixed that
[08:08] <bbordwell> didrocks, thanks i was not sure it did not mention that in the wik
[08:08] <bbordwell> wik/wiki
[08:08] <didrocks> bbordwell: please fix it then :)
[08:08] <bbordwell> didrocks, looking...
[08:10] <bbordwell> hmm on second look i guess it is implied that it should be against the package
[08:11] <didrocks> ok, that what was I was infering :)
[08:16] <pitti> didrocks: hm, I restarted unity, now the firefox icon sticks out; It never did that so far, did anything change yesterday?
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: no, it's really $random and seems you are with no luck today :/
[08:16] <pitti> ok
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: hum, another way to trick it can be to unset autohide
[08:16] <didrocks> (in ccsm)
[08:16] <didrocks> and set it again
[08:17] <pitti> ah, will try that next time; just restarted complete session
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: you can open a terminal and just run "unity"
[08:19] <didrocks> as the terminal is started by unity, you should have all the GPG/SSH variables exported
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> [
[08:27] <didrocks> ]
[08:28]  * didrocks likes to close/clean things :)
[08:28] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:37] <chrisccoulson>  hi didrocks - i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:37] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did you have a chance to give the lucid tbird-locales some testing?
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, no. sorry, i totally forgot to do that ;)
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> does it still need testing?
[08:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: well, let me know if you can't squeeze it in, then I'll try to make some time
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can do it this morning
[08:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yeah, it's the last main package which is in lucid-proposed and needs to go to -updates for the 10.04.2
[08:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: great, thank you!
[08:39] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks :)
[08:45] <morgan> hey - anyone help a brother out using nautilus? I just want a list of every file in every directory on a drive.. any ideas?
[08:49] <pitti> didrocks: I was going to look at bug 704409; want me to take bug 712091 while I'm at it?
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704409 in gnome-session "Fallback message for no 3D video chipset needs improvements for translations" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704409
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712091 in gnome-session "fallback message contains poor grammar" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712091
[08:49] <didrocks> pitti: oh, I'm just doing them now :)
[08:49] <didrocks> look at my comment for bug #704409 btw
[08:49] <pitti> didrocks: ah, way ahead of me then :)
[08:49] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:50] <didrocks> I was just discussing that with dpm :)
[08:50] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:50] <pitti> didrocks: ok, great!
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, do you have any clue about #712091
[08:50] <seb128> ups the other one rather
[08:51] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: yes, that should be done differently ideally
[08:51] <pitti> gnome-session should to an sprintf(";%s\n%s", _('It seems...'), _('You should...'))
[08:52] <pitti> i. e. hardcode the "meta" characters and split the string in two to avoid the \n
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: well, I'll remove the \n with the new wording rather
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: I'm more concern about adding the comment for translators
[08:52] <pitti> didrocks: or that; but the ';' shouldn't be part of the translatable string at all
[08:52] <pitti> someone will break it
[08:52] <didrocks> hum, not sure how to do that properly, I'm not fan of FallbackMessage1, FallbackMessage2…
[08:54] <didrocks> pitti: the idea is that you have fallbacksession <-> fallback message pairs
[08:57] <pitti> that doesn't work very well with .desktop files, though
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: why not _1, _2, etc.?
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: I really suggest splitting them
[08:58] <pitti> didrocks: consider if you want to add a new one, or change the priorities
[08:58] <didrocks> pitti: well, I was thinking list separated to ; was cleaner but I think I won't have any other choice, right :)
[08:58] <pitti> each time you'd break _all_ existing translations
[08:58] <didrocks> right, fair point
[08:58] <didrocks> changing it now then
[09:21] <lag> Is anyone currently working on libgpod?
[09:22] <seb128> hey lag, not really
[09:22] <lag> Hmm
[09:22] <lag> Does anyone know a great deal about hashing?
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: from my POV https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu%20Desktop%20Edition is good to go; do you still have something in mind which we should add?
[09:25] <pitti> lag: I know the principle and some implementations, but not enough to be able to construct new good hash functions
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, seems fine to me
[09:25] <didrocks> pitti: I added what was needed for me yesterday :)
[09:25] <pitti> ok, removing the "to be reviewed" then, thanks guys
[09:25] <lag> pitti: Hi Martin
[09:26] <lag> pitti: I'm not looking to create one
[09:26] <lag> pitti: I'm looking to break one :)
[09:27] <lag> pitti: Because I'm an exclusive Ubuntu user, I how have this expensive little device called an iPod Nano :(
[09:27] <lag> pitti: Said device is useless
[09:28] <pitti> I thought libimobiledevice would create the necessary checksums for it when copying music?
[09:44] <lag> pitti: Tested with iPod Touch 1G/2G/3G/4G, iPhone 1G/2G/3G/3GS/4, iPad and Apple TV running up to firmware 4.2.1 on Linux and Mac OS X
[09:45] <lag> pitti: I have a Nano 6G
[10:44] <didrocks> waow, software-center is insulting adobe air deb package from the adobe site :)
[10:45] <didrocks> and finish in "I won't install the crap" (well, not the real wording, but almost :))
[10:45] <didrocks> they install everything in /opt and don't follow the FHS, it should be the cause
[10:48] <mvo> didrocks: haha, that is the new auto lintian checks I guess
[10:48] <didrocks> mvo: it's awesome, I love it :-)
[10:49] <didrocks> hope it doesn't break the new package from quickly when installing from /opt though
[10:49] <mvo> didrocks: what exactly will it print? it uses the stock lintian messages
[10:49] <didrocks> one sec, removing it and adding it again
[10:49] <mvo> didrocks: I need we need to add a /opt-ok filter or something
[10:50] <mvo> adobe air - dude!
[10:50] <mvo> ;)
[10:51] <didrocks> I know, I know… :-)
[10:51] <seb128> bouuuh didrocks!
[10:52]  * didrocks hides ;-)
[10:55] <didrocks> The package is of bad quality
[10:55] <didrocks> The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath.
[10:55] <didrocks> mvo: ^^
[10:55] <didrocks> the wording is great :)
[10:55] <didrocks> then, in details, there are the lintian output
[10:56] <didrocks> it's not /opt issue it seems
[10:56] <didrocks> rather wrong chmod on files
[10:56] <mvo> hehe
[10:56] <mvo> so it was worth it, but we probably need to work on the message a bit more
[10:56] <mvo> did it complain about /opt as well?
[10:56] <mvo> or was the chmod the killer?
[10:57] <didrocks> no, but it couldn't open the binary file
[10:57] <didrocks> one sec… restarting it
[10:57] <mvo> didrocks: no problem I can play with the air deb a bit more later
[10:58] <didrocks> mvo: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/lintian/checks/deb-format line 63.
[10:58] <didrocks> internal error: cannot run deb_format check on package adobeair
[10:58] <didrocks> warning: skipping check of binary package adobeair
[10:58] <didrocks> in any case, the chmod are already lintian Errors, not warning (as well as no Copyright file)
[11:01]  * mvo nods
[11:05] <didrocks> pitti: hum, thinking about bug #704409, having FallbackMessage_1, 2, 3… won't prevent to break the translation if we change the order of the fallaback, or do you think we should add the overrhead of FallbackSession=FallbackSession_2;FallbackSession_1 … to specify an order?
[11:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704409 in gnome-session "Fallback message for no 3D video chipset needs improvements for translations" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704409
[11:07] <pitti> didrocks: that would indeed be the most robust in terms of translations
[11:08] <didrocks> pitti: well, ok, it's a bigger divergence from upstream though…
[11:08] <pitti> didrocks: perhaps FallbackSessions=FallbackSession_2D;FallbackSession_GNOMEclassic;... ?
[11:08] <pitti> didrocks: oh, this is upstream?
[11:08] <didrocks> pitti: some part is
[11:08] <didrocks> then, I have to pay a lot of icecream to vuntz :)
[11:08] <pitti> didrocks: well, it's the very same translation problem upstream, so perhaps vuntz wants to change it there as well?
[11:08] <didrocks> vuntz: icecream at FOSDEM? :)
[11:09] <didrocks> pitti: no, the multiple backend is ours
[11:09] <didrocks> fallback*
[11:09] <didrocks> pitti: the thing is that the current implementation was compatible with the "only one fallback approach", the reference won't
[11:10] <didrocks> (the fallback message is ours as well)
[11:10] <pitti> didrocks: so, if it's too complicated, then just having _1, _2 etc. is okay for me as well
[11:10] <didrocks> let's try that, I've to coordinate with unity2d people to change their .session file format as well
[11:11] <pitti> in that case it's at least much easier to update the existing .po files as well
[11:11] <pitti> but I think the named ones and giving an order looks most elegant
[11:11] <didrocks> yeah, let's try to do the right thing © now
[11:11] <didrocks> so, references + naming
[11:11] <didrocks> looking at it now
[11:30] <fagan> mvo: is the reviews server down? Im getting failed to submit review (im wondering if its a bug or just that the server is down)
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - tb-locales is good to go for lucid btw
[11:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ooh, thanks!
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> i haven't tested maverick, i don't have a maverick install and vbox isn't working on natty
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> serves me right for switching from kvm to vbox ;)
[11:43] <pitti> maverick isn't that urgent
[11:44] <pitti> micahg said he wanted to bring it up in today's xubuntu meeting
[12:02] <mvo> fagan: hm, there is a new version that got installed today, maybe that has a problem?
[12:02] <mvo> fagan: let me test
[12:03] <mvo> fagan: I get a error too
[12:04] <mvo> fagan: could you check if you have /tmp/sc_submit_oops*.html ?
[12:04] <mvo> fagan: and if, mail it to me (privately)
[12:14] <mvo> fagan: confirmed, fix is (almost) ready
[12:33] <mvo> didrocks: is it supposed to be that unity_support_test -p gives me a "The system can run Unity" but when I actually try it compiz bails and complains about missing texture_from_pixmap?
[12:34] <fagan> mvo: sorry wasnt looking at chat so you dont need my /tmp/sc...etc file
[12:34] <mvo> fagan: no, all good and bug isoltated
[12:34] <mvo> fagan: rollout will take a bit though :/
[12:35] <fagan> cool
[12:35] <mvo> incidently reviewing apps with only a single review or with no reviews should work still
[12:35] <mvo> it just breaks for len(reviews) > 1
[12:35] <seb128> mvo, no it's not
[12:36] <seb128> mvo, open a bug ;-)
[12:44] <seb128> pitti, that's another jockey bug having some recent duplicates: bug #702596
[12:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702596 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in on_linkbutton_licensetext_clicked(): 'GtkUI' object has no attribute 'current_driver_name'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702596
[12:46] <mvo> woah, xchat is giving me really funny artifacts now for the scrolling text, looks like it forget to repaint/clean parts of the screen
[12:46] <pitti> seb128: will look, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> mvo, intel?
[12:46] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/707236
[12:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "corruption in xchat-gnome window" [High,Confirmed]
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: yep
[12:49] <mvo> looks like the freedesktop bug has a fix in git now
[12:50] <seb128> ups
[12:50] <seb128> we should get the ubuntu-x guys to do backporting to natty
[12:50] <seb128> and I should stop doing ctrl-W in xchat-gnome
[12:52] <mvo> I have a look now
[12:52] <mvo> haha, oneline
[13:37] <asac> Sweetshark: hi boern! welcome to the ubuntu rockstar team. where are you based in hh ?
[13:39] <Sweetshark> Hi asac! Hamburg-Hamm (right next to the Horner Kreisel ...)
[13:39] <asac> oh nice ... i am living in Neustadt now
[13:40] <asac> Sweetshark: ooo ?
[13:40] <asac> or rather libre now iirc
[13:41] <Sweetshark> well, I was part of the OOo team here in Hamburg.
[13:41] <asac> Sweetshark: did you previously work in the ooo development team here in HH? or is that just a coincident?
[13:41] <seb128> hello asac, how are you?
[13:41] <asac> cool. thats what i thought
[13:41] <seb128> asac, read your emails? ;-)
[13:41] <asac> seb128: i set up a redirect, but now i notice that i had another filter for the mailing lists so they didnt come through :/
[13:41] <seb128> asac, he wrote that in the email he sent earlier ;-)
[13:42] <asac> seb128: seems i was able to guess that without email ;) ... telepathy
[13:43] <seb128> ;-)
[13:43] <asac> Sweetshark: are you an original Hamburger? or moved here at some point?
[13:44]  * mterry notes that there's nothing like breaking nm-applet to get ya to fix a bug fast
[13:45] <asac> heh
[13:48] <mvo> seb128: I applied the patch from upstream now, lets see
[13:48] <seb128> mvo, ok
[13:48] <seb128> mvo, let me know how it goes ;-)
[13:49] <Sweetshark> asac: I am a "gebuertiger Hamburger" (<- looks strange in english), but not a "geborener Hamburger" in the strict definition (my grandparents where not born here already).
[13:49] <mvo> seb128: looks good so far, no issues in the lsat 3 minutes, I will upload
[13:49] <seb128> mvo, \o/
[13:50] <asac> Sweetshark: heh. didnt know that grandparents are required for that ;)
[13:50]  * asac learned something new
[13:50] <mvo> gehh
[13:50] <mvo> I had no idea about this either
[13:51] <asac> Sweetshark: anyway, welcome on board. if you have any questions or want to complain about seb128 and other rude geeks here in this channel, feel free to ping or call me ;)
[13:52] <Sweetshark> asac: well, wikipedia says parents are enough: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiddje
[13:52] <seb128> you german weirdos!
[13:52] <Sweetshark> asac: thanks!
[13:52] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:52] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[13:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: you heard the sirens yesterday -- "ze germans are coming" ;)
[13:52] <kenvandine> hey guys
[13:52] <asac> but i am sure you will love this
[13:53] <pitti> hey kenvandine, good morning
[13:53] <kenvandine> howdy
[13:53] <pitti> "You will be assimilated!"
[13:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, I don't need sirens, I'm close enough from the border to watch ;-)
[13:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, it's didrocks what had those :p
[13:53] <seb128> what -> who
[13:53] <didrocks> seb128: "close enough from the border to watch" ahah :)
[13:55] <jpds> Aren't you guys all loving each other in the EU anyway?
[14:08] <warlock_handler> anyone who can help me with a linksys wrt54g wifi router .... getting bad wlan transfer speeds
[14:08] <warlock_handler> i am not getting regular wlan speeds while transferring files across my comps
[14:08] <warlock_handler> facing the problem on win xp and on ubuntu... whats wrong with the wifi router?? .. any idea
[14:20] <vuntz> didrocks: ice cream at fosdem? Yes!
[14:21] <didrocks> :)
[14:21] <didrocks> so easy to get patches in gnome-session :-)
[14:21] <vuntz> didrocks: only if there's enough ice cream
[14:22] <seb128> vuntz, lut
[14:22] <vuntz> seb128: wie geht's?
[14:23] <seb128> vuntz, sehr gut danke!
[14:23] <didrocks> vuntz: what flavor? :-)
[14:23] <vuntz> didrocks: heh, we'll see
[14:23] <seb128> vuntz, und dir?
[14:24] <vuntz> seb128: finally a proof of your true nationality!
[14:24] <seb128> ;-)
[14:24] <vuntz> I knew it!
[14:24] <seb128> let's pretend that didn't happen
[14:24] <seb128> it was someone else on my keyboard
[14:24]  * didrocks logged
[14:35] <kenvandine> seb128, we have a fix for dup messaging menu entries and clearing out the setup entries
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, those were the same issues?
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, tedg: do you plan tarballs today?
[14:36] <kenvandine> it's still being reviewed
[14:36] <kenvandine> but i've been testing it since last night
[14:36] <kenvandine> works fine
[14:36] <kenvandine> i could also distro patch it
[14:36] <seb128> great
[14:37] <seb128> let me know if you want me to test as well
[14:37] <seb128> kenvandine, well, today is thursday
[14:37] <kenvandine> yup
[14:37] <seb128> so tarball day?
[14:37] <kenvandine> hopefully
[14:37] <kenvandine> tedg, ?
[14:37] <kenvandine> seb128, do you know when it would be ok to start uploading stuff?
[14:38]  * kenvandine has a few things queued up :)
[14:38] <seb128> kenvandine, check with pitti, but it doesn't seem they will respin
[14:38] <seb128> I would upload non disruptive changes now
[14:38] <seb128> but that's only me, I tend to not be a nice citizen with freezes :p
[14:38] <pitti> likelyhood of a respin is very low indeed, let me ask
[14:38] <tedg> kenvandine, seb128, Yeah, I need to check on the reviews, but if all is good we can do tarballs.
[14:39] <seb128> like mvo uploaded the intel damage issue fix
[14:39] <seb128> tedg, ok great, check with chrisccoulson as well he has a libdbusmenu crash fix in the work it seems
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm still looking at that
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, now is time to get things in the review queue if you want to make the weekly tarballs
[14:40] <tedg> Cool!  Loving all the great fixes.  Thanks #ubuntu-desktop!
[14:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wasn't the fix ready?
[14:40] <seb128> tedg, ;-)
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i managed to make it not crash, but i'm not sure i've fixed the real problem yet. i'm still doing some digging so i know i understand what is going on
[14:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, try maybe getting ted to review your fix to see if it makes sense for him or not
[14:41] <seb128> just to share opinions on the issue
[14:45] <seb128> kenvandine, btw are those fixes solving the g-s-d indicator being not working?
[14:46] <kenvandine> seb128, i doubt it
[14:47] <seb128> ok
[14:47] <kenvandine> these fixes are in libindicate, which i think is only used by indicator-messages
[14:47] <kenvandine> seb128, what was the bug # for that one?
[14:47] <rickspencer3> hey guys, I still have to use unity --reset to get my desktop
[14:48] <rickspencer3> am I doing it wrong?
[14:48] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, if you are "having to do anything" it's a bug :)
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, bug #711749
[14:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711749 in indicator-application "layout indicator items are not being updated and not working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711749
[14:48] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[14:48] <seb128> rickspencer3, like you get an empty screen on login?
[14:49] <rickspencer3> seb128, correct, except my network connects, and I get notify-osd
[14:49] <kenvandine> oh, i think didrocks might have uploaded a fix yesterday
[14:49] <kenvandine> i thought i saw a changelog entry for fixing a crash on login
[14:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: latest compiz should fix it
[14:49] <didrocks> well, there are two known crashes
[14:49] <seb128> rickspencer3, k, compiz crashes on start
[14:49] <didrocks> (at startup) one is fixed
[14:49] <seb128> rickspencer3, it does the same here
[14:49] <seb128> rickspencer3, you probably get a .crash for it
[14:50] <seb128> kenvandine, there are other crashes at login
[14:50] <seb128> the one I get there is in libstartup-notification
[14:50] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/709380
[14:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709380 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sn_monitor_context_ref()" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:50] <rickspencer3> thanks guys
[14:51] <didrocks> I'll raise the priority btw
[14:51] <seb128> natty is still crash land there
[14:51] <seb128> one test install yesterday gave like 5 crashes during the install with some livecd testing
[14:51] <seb128> then the same amonth in 5 minutes of testing of the installed system
[14:52] <didrocks> adding a note that people are getting it with my workaround as well
[14:52] <seb128> but only half of those were unity
[14:52] <seb128> doh
[14:52] <seb128> I was going to say that's I'm glad apport is not on by default but I think it is
[14:54] <kenvandine> seb128, can you promote ubuntu-geoip and geoclue?
[14:57] <seb128> kenvandine, can do
[14:58] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[14:58] <kenvandine> tedg, lets get indicator-datetime rocking today too :)
[15:00] <seb128> kenvandine, if you have anything using those just upload, I will make sure needed binaries are promoted when needed
[15:01] <kenvandine> sure
[15:01] <kenvandine> thx
[15:01] <seb128> yw
[15:10] <seb128> kklimonda, hey
[15:11] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, libfolks looks great, is empathy ready for merging too?
[15:12] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, if so, please propose the merge
[15:12] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i need folks to test the build of empathy in pbuilder
[15:12] <kenvandine> let me give you a hook for that :)
[15:12] <kenvandine> you can use your pbuilder result builds as a apt repo
[15:13] <bcurtiswx> woo, i get to learn something new :D
[15:14] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/562005/
[15:14] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, and you need to set BINDMOUNTS in your .pbuilderrc
[15:14] <kenvandine> BINDMOUNTS="/home/ken/pbuilder/${DIST}-${ARCH}_result/"
[15:15] <kenvandine> is mine
[15:15] <pitti> kenvandine, seb128, didrocks: freeze lifted, go wild
[15:15] <kenvandine> woot!
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[15:15] <bcurtiswx> wee
[15:15] <didrocks> time to break things again, nice!
[15:15]  * kenvandine goes to blow up the archive :)
[15:15] <didrocks> thanks pitti
[15:15]  * pitti has three branches to upload, too
[15:15] <bcurtiswx> thx pitti
[15:17] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, $DIST-$ARCH would come to be just natty.. right?
[15:17] <kenvandine> natty-amd64
[15:17] <kenvandine> for example
[15:17] <bcurtiswx> ah, i only have dist.. will edit :D
[15:17] <kenvandine> if you always build just the default arch
[15:17] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:18] <kenvandine> :)
[15:18] <kenvandine> i build debs for other people on other arches sometimes :)
[15:23] <pitti> Riddell: I just saw that the ubuntu branch of jockey still uses kdesu as workaround for not having policykit; I guess PK works fine on current KDE now?
[15:24] <Riddell> pitti: should do yes
[15:27] <pitti> didrocks: <keyname>_Message -> nice!
[15:27] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[15:42] <desrt> so.  alpha2 isn't looking too bad
[15:42] <desrt> far better than a few days ago :)
[15:42] <pitti> still, longest "know issues" evar!
[15:42] <mterry> mvo, does apt.ubuntu.com work in natty?  It tells me I'm not running Ubuntu
[15:43] <mvo> mterry: yeah, I noticed that as well and thought it was my noscript extension
[15:43] <mterry> mvo, I don't think I'm running that
[15:44] <micahg> mterry: are you using Firefox?
[15:44] <mterry> micahg, yeah, beta 10
[15:44] <desrt> pitti: my networkmanager has an icon again.  i'm happy. :)
[15:44] <micahg> mterry: so, the U/A changed, there's a bug open for it
[15:44] <mterry> micahg, cool
[15:48] <micahg> mterry: bug 709125
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709125 in firefox "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125
[15:48] <mterry> micahg, ah cool, thanks
[15:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine,  why is U1 in the messaging menu, should it not be in the Me Menu, if there at all?
[15:59] <seb128> rickspencer3, because they want to use it for things like "users shared something with you"
[15:59] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, it will be displaying some messages, this was driven by design i think
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so it will get messages?
[15:59] <kenvandine> yes
[15:59] <rickspencer3> that makes sense
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so long as they really do that
[16:00] <kenvandine> that hasn't landed yet though
[16:00] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, can you keep an eye on that, if they don't have anything working by A3, we should pull it out
[16:00] <kenvandine> but it is in their nightlies
[16:00] <seb128> the example nessita gave me was "someone shared something with you"
[16:00] <rickspencer3> right, I can see the logic
[16:00] <rickspencer3> so long as they actually land something in time to make it robust
[16:00] <rickspencer3> I'd prefer not to be cramming something in there without enough bake time, though
[16:00] <seb128> kenvandine, did you figure why it doesn't get the ">" btw?
[16:00] <kenvandine> seb128, i can't reproduce that g-s-d bug
[16:00] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah
[16:00] <nessita> hi all! I'm in the middle of a call but let me give some guidelines
[16:01] <kenvandine> because they aren't  connecting to the indicator
[16:01] <kenvandine> missing file in the tarball
[16:01] <seb128> hey nessita, no hurry just deal with your call
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, did dobey said that was supposed to be fixed in the current version?
[16:01] <nessita> seb128, dobey, rickspencer3: we're landing the messaging showing stuff branch today
[16:01] <seb128> ok, great
[16:01] <kenvandine> seb128, not uploaded yet
[16:01] <seb128> kenvandine, g-s-d, what did you try and how?
[16:01] <kenvandine> last i heard
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:02] <kenvandine> i added a couple of layouts and switched between them
[16:02] <nessita> seb128, dobey, rickspencer3: I can link you to the doc where we have the spec about what we're doing
[16:02] <kenvandine> it worked, but it didn't update the top of the indicator
[16:02] <seb128> kenvandine, does the "show current layout" item works?
[16:02] <kenvandine> however it did show the selected one in the menu
[16:02] <kenvandine> yes
[16:02] <seb128> hum
[16:02] <kenvandine> and removing a layout did remove it from the menu
[16:02] <seb128> do you have one of the ted's fixes?
[16:02] <kenvandine> just libindicate
[16:03] <kenvandine> which this doesn't use :)
[16:03] <seb128> weird
[16:03] <kenvandine> tedg couldn't reproduce it either
[16:03] <kenvandine> there is a bug though... the keyboard shown in the panel at the top doesn't change
[16:03] <didrocks> session restart, brb
[16:04] <seb128> kenvandine, dunno why it's broken there then, but I use french, I added anotherlayout but none of the items do anything
[16:04] <nessita> seb128, rickspencer3: document shared with you, if you re interested
[16:04] <rickspencer3> nessita, thank you
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128, works on my other box too
[16:05] <seb128> nessita, thanks
[16:06] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, weird, maybe it doesn't like french or something
[16:06] <nessita> anytime!
[16:06] <kenvandine> seb128, hehe
[16:06] <tedg> seb128, Not liking French is a feature not a bug! ;)
[16:07] <kenvandine> seb128, french works for me
[16:07]  * kenvandine had to try
[16:12] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, dunno, I just know I get this error I copied on the bug in dbus-monitor when I try to use a menu item
[16:12] <seb128> could be a race or something?
[16:14] <kenvandine> maybe
[16:14] <kenvandine> killall indicator-application-service;/usr/lib/indicator-application/indicator-application-service
[16:14] <kenvandine> and watch the output when you try
[16:16] <seb128> kenvandine, ted: it works now, it's always like that I guess... ;-)
[16:16] <seb128> well at least you get the label not updating which is a bug
[16:16] <seb128> it used to work and the code didn't change in g-s-d
[16:17] <seb128> kenvandine, ted: ok, gotcha
[16:17] <seb128> kenvandine, ted: set 2 layouts, delete one
[16:18] <seb128> the list doesn't update and then the other entries are not working
[16:18] <seb128> the 2 layouts are still listed
[16:18] <seb128> it doesn't open anything on "show layout" or "open preferences"
[16:19] <seb128> nothing on the service stdout
[16:19] <kenvandine> weird, they are getting removed for me
[16:19] <seb128> hum
[16:19] <seb128> well I started with only french
[16:19] <seb128> I added another layout
[16:19] <seb128> then I reopened gnome-keyboard-preferences
[16:19] <seb128> deleted the second layout
[16:19] <seb128> the indicator list didn't update and now it's stucked
[16:20] <seb128> great now gsd crashed
[16:20] <seb128> it tends to do that when the indicator-application service crashes
[16:21] <seb128> need to get a valgrind for that as well
[16:22] <kenvandine> seb128, ok... i just reproduced it
[16:22] <kenvandine> i was adding and removing a bunch of times
[16:22] <seb128> see!!!
[16:22] <kenvandine> then gsd crashed
[16:22] <seb128> ;-)
[16:22] <kenvandine> after gsd crashed
[16:22] <kenvandine> it stopped updating the menu
[16:23] <seb128> well that's normal since g-s-d is what is using appindicator
[16:23] <kenvandine> i ran gnome-keyboard-properties manually
[16:23] <seb128> or your mean after restarting gsd?
[16:23] <kenvandine> which made gsd start again
[16:23] <seb128> right
[16:23] <kenvandine> but now the indicator menu doesn't update anymore
[16:23] <kenvandine> but it worked until gsd crashed
[16:23] <kenvandine> so i guess once that restarts it doesn't get the signals anymore
[16:23] <seb128> yeah, sometimes it works there as well
[16:24] <seb128> well I didn't restart gsd before
[16:24] <seb128> but there was a gsd crash on layout deleting that rodrigo fixed recently
[16:24] <seb128> it could be that the gsd code has other issues
[16:25] <seb128> kenvandine, tedg: do you want a different bug about the label not updating?
[16:25] <kenvandine> yes please
[16:25] <seb128> what component?
[16:25] <kenvandine> also, now there is no output in stdout
[16:25] <kenvandine> unity i think
[16:25] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[16:25] <seb128> it does the same with the indicator-applet on gnome-panel
[16:25] <kenvandine> so clicking in the menu does literally nothing
[16:25] <kenvandine> seb128, then i guess not
[16:25] <seb128> kenvandine, right, same here
[16:25] <kenvandine> indicator-application then
[16:26] <seb128> ok
[16:26] <seb128> will do that, ted can reassign
[16:26] <kenvandine> seb128, no idea if this bug is i-a or g-s-d
[16:27] <tedg> seb128, Hmm, it's probably i-a then.  I figured it was a Unity bug, just because I know njpatel loves those.
[16:28] <njpatel> It's always *indicat*
[16:28] <seb128> tedg, kenvandine: bug #712581
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712581 in indicator-application "keyboard layout label is not updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712581
[16:31] <kenvandine> seb128, restarting indicator-application-service makes it start working again
[16:31] <kenvandine> until gsd crashes again
[16:31] <kenvandine> but i have to change the layout a bunch of times before gsd crashes
[16:32] <kenvandine> i have no clue how to debug gsd :)
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, you mean?
[16:33] <seb128> kenvandine, you can run gnome-settings-daemon --no-daemon on a command line
[16:33] <kenvandine> debugging the gsd crash
[16:33] <kenvandine> ah
[16:33] <kenvandine> that helps
[16:33] <seb128> kenvandine, the crash is in libappindicator
[16:33] <seb128> well it was last time I checked
[16:33] <kenvandine> doesn't work
[16:33] <seb128> what?
[16:33] <kenvandine> could not acquire name?
[16:34] <seb128> you have one running
[16:34] <seb128> killall gnome-settings-daemon until it stops respawning
[16:34] <kenvandine> nm
[16:34] <kenvandine> just had to try it a bunch of times
[16:34] <seb128> or similar
[16:34] <kenvandine> it is like debugging something tedg wrote
[16:34] <seb128> or gdb --pid $(pidof gnome-settings-daemon)
[16:34] <seb128> then "c"
[16:34] <seb128> then get the crash
[16:35] <tedg> kenvandine, Thoughts on this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/libindicate/annotation_fixes/+merge/43575
[16:35] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I dist-upgraded to get new compiz, logged in, and my desktop started like magic!
[16:35] <seb128> go didrocks go!
[16:35] <didrocks> rickspencer3: excellent :)
[16:37] <kenvandine> seb128, of course now i can't make it crash :/
[16:37] <seb128> kenvandine, ;-)
[16:38] <seb128> kenvandine, one easy way to make it crash is to kill the indicator-application-service
[16:38] <seb128> kenvandine, not sure how you are trying
[16:38] <seb128> kenvandine, which makes me wonder if those issues are not due to the service crashing
[16:38] <kenvandine> i was trying by changing the layout a bunch of times
[16:38] <kenvandine> no, i was running it in the foreground before
[16:39] <kenvandine> never crashed
[16:39] <kenvandine> but gsd did
[16:39] <kenvandine> kill the i-a-service didn't make gsd crash now
[16:39] <seb128> try a bunch of times?
[16:40] <seb128> well I get pretty much the 2 layouts and delete 1 leads to a broken menu there...
[16:40] <seb128> like the second layout is still in the indicator
[16:40] <kenvandine> nope... killed the service a ton of times now
[16:40] <kenvandine> gsd still running
[16:40] <kenvandine> and layout changing works
[16:40] <kenvandine> must be a race
[16:41] <kenvandine> ok, you run gsd in gdb since you can repro it easier
[16:41] <seb128> ok
[16:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, so I just stopped the service, it didn't crash but printed that
[16:45] <seb128> (gnome-settings-daemon:16671): libappindicator-WARNING **: Unable to connect to the Notification Watcher: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.1139 was not provided by any .service files
[16:46] <nessita> seb128: this is the release that fixes the issue you reported/confirmed yesterday about ussoc and autologin https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.11/+merge/48508
[16:46] <kenvandine> i wasn't getting that either
[16:46] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[16:46] <seb128> nessita, ok, great
[16:47] <nessita> :-)
[16:49] <seb128> kenvandine, tedg: ok, I found how to crash it there
[16:49] <seb128> started g-s-d with one layout
[16:50] <kenvandine> oh
[16:50] <seb128> run gnome-keyboard-properties to add a second one
[16:50] <seb128> delete it
[16:50] <seb128> kill the indicator-application-service
[16:50] <seb128> g-s-d crashes
[16:51] <seb128> Stacktrace:
[16:51] <seb128>  #0  0x00f91a40 in watcher_owner_changed (obj=0x8a59e00, pspec=0x89c6478, user_data=0x89c8d20) at /build/buildd/libappindicator-0.2.92/./src/app-indicator.c:1139
[16:51] <seb128>          _g_boolean_var_ = <value optimised out>
[16:51] <seb128>          self = 0x89c8d20
[16:51] <seb128>          __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "watcher_owner_changed"
[16:51] <seb128>          name = <value optimised out>
[16:51] <seb128> kenvandine, tedg: ^
[16:54] <tedg> seb128, Hmm, stacktrace, that sounds like a bug ;)
[16:57] <tedg> seb128, Is there distropatching in libappindicator?  My code for 0.2.92 has a "g_return_if_fail()" there...
[16:57] <kenvandine> tedg, eta on a libindicate release?
[16:57] <seb128> tedg, kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/562067/
[16:58] <tedg> kenvandine, Is there a chance for A2?  I thought that was past?  I mean, I'm trying to get all the code reviews done and then do all the releases.  I can flip to releasing that one now if it's useful.
[16:58] <seb128> tedg, the a2 freeze is over
[16:58] <seb128> tedg, we can do normal weekly updates
[16:58] <kenvandine> tedg, opensuse was looking for a fix to a bug we have distro patched
[16:58] <kenvandine> i gave him the patch
[16:58] <kenvandine> but also mentioned we have a release coming
[16:59] <seb128> tedg, "	g_return_if_fail(self->priv->watcher_proxy != NULL);" is 1139 in the source
[16:59] <kenvandine> tedg, your not in #ayatana :)
[16:59] <tedg> Hmm, I'm not...
[16:59] <seb128> tedg, so I guess it's "self->priv->watcher_proxy" which is invalid
[16:59]  * tedg bitches about IRC
[17:00] <tedg> seb128, Yeah, I mean, we're checking for self the line above.  So priv is invalid?
[17:00] <tedg> seb128, That seems pretty unlikely.
[17:00] <seb128> tedg, let me valgrind it
[17:01] <kenvandine> tedg, no rush, merge stuff before we start releases
[17:02] <kenvandine> tedg, we have another hour or two before i start getting annoyed that i haven't gotten tarballs :)
[17:05] <seb128> tedg, could be a g-s-d issue
[17:06] <seb128> tedg, it displays a
[17:06] <seb128> "(gnome-settings-daemon:18525): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `AppIndicator'
[17:06] <seb128> "
[17:06] <seb128> before the crash in valgrind
[17:07] <seb128> then says it's an invalid read on 1139
[17:08] <tedg> seb128, Hmm, yeah.  Perhaps going up the stack there.  It might be unreffing it or something.
[17:09] <tedg> seb128, Usually though the GObject macros catch that, but they're not impervious.
[17:11] <seb128> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/562079/
[17:11] <seb128> tedg, that's the break on the warning
[17:13] <tedg> seb128, That seems like us, we must not be removing a signal.
[17:13] <seb128> tedg, where should I open the bug?
[17:14] <pitti> seb128: fixed two of the three jockey crashes you pointed me to; the third one seems to be in python2.7's subprocess, I reassigned that
[17:14] <pitti> any other jockey bugs you noticed?
[17:16] <tedg> seb128, I guess libappindicator -- but we're removing the signals properly :-/
[17:17] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[17:17] <seb128> pitti, no, I just noticed the one I pointed earlier today because I marked public a bunch of recent apport bugs
[17:17] <seb128> tedg, ok, I will open it for the record, doesn't hurt and at least we have a stacktrace
[17:40] <seb128> tedg, kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libappindicator/+bug/712635
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712635 in libappindicator "gnome-settings-daemon crashes with SIGSEGV in watcher_owner_changed()" [Undecided,New]
[17:40] <pitti> didrocks: ah, wrt. my copy&paste bug I mentioned the other day: it's because of that invisible top window (I see it because the mouse cursor changes from the text to the normal pointer one in the area of the invisible window)
[17:40] <pitti> didrocks: so it shuold be covered already
[17:40] <kenvandine> thx
[17:41] <didrocks> pitti: ah, at least, nothing more scary than it is already then. Thanks for the notice! :)
[17:41] <pitti> do you know if I can close/kill that window somehow?
[17:41] <didrocks> pitti: are you in the unity session?
[17:41] <pitti> didrocks: yes
[17:41] <didrocks> pitti: you can xkill + click
[17:41] <pitti> that's why it doesn't happen after session start
[17:41] <didrocks> pitti: take care, it's an application opened, hope you saved it :)
[17:42] <pitti> didrocks: already tried xkill, doesn't work
[17:42] <pitti> or it's like 10 apps stacked on top of each other
[17:42] <didrocks> pitti: oh? it did for me, in that case, switch back to metacity and then run "unity"
[17:42] <pitti> that's what I try to avoid mostly
[17:42] <didrocks> this will force the remap
[17:42] <pitti> since it messes up all windows
[17:42] <pitti> but yeah, I'll do that then
[17:42] <didrocks> how messes up?
[17:42] <pitti> didrocks: thanks!
[17:42] <pitti> didrocks: all windows from all workspaces move to the first one, and some change positions
[17:43] <didrocks> changing viewport, right… I don't really know why it does that TBH and sometimes, I have my viewport layout totally in the same state
[17:43] <didrocks> pitti: but if you try to just restart compiz, it shouldn't
[17:44] <didrocks> it should keep the current layout
[17:44] <didrocks> but, sometimes, the invisible window isn't remapped with that :/
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> right, time to do the new ffox release :)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> we're not frozen now are we?
[17:45] <pitti> didrocks: ah, will try that next time
[17:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: not any more
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, yeah, title in #ubuntu-devel :)
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[17:45]  * pitti crosses fingers that it'll fix these hideous crashes
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> crashes?
[17:45] <pitti> it crashes 20 times a day since a few days ago
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> urgh, that's not good
[17:46]  * didrocks wonders if the invisible window isn't caused by a race with unity automaximization
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> pitti - are you using my extension?
[17:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes
[17:46] <pitti> should I try to disable it?
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> pitti - it doesn't happen when you have a menu open does it?
[17:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, mostly when I either start it, or when I try to open a new tab
[17:46] <pitti> but then the very same URL works next time
[17:47] <pitti> sometimes it keeps crashing at start, then I need to kill the savedsession.js
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - hmmm, it might be worth trying to get a backtrace. did you submit your crash report to mozilla?
[17:47] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: do you have time to sponsor https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/gtk/ubuntugtk3/+merge/48287 today?
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> i fixed a crash in my extension last night, that was affecting me quite frequently (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/75)
[17:47] <seb128> or can you let robert_ancell know about it if you see him later on?
[17:47] <mterry> seb128, sure
[17:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I did once, but that crash dialog isn't very stable for me either
[17:47] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[17:47] <kenvandine> seb128, maybe after lunch, i am about to eat
[17:47] <kenvandine> mterry, thx
[17:47]  * kenvandine -> lunch
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and I never saw the result window
[17:48] <seb128> kenvandine, you focus on the dx tarballs and watch ted ;-)
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - have you had a look in about:crashes? got a link to any you've managed to submit?
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you don't get a results window ;)
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: well, at one day I saw a window with a trace and data some hours later, apparently well hidden by compiz :)
[17:48]  * kenvandine watches tedg like a hawk
[17:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, that has one
[17:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/e3473df8-8a73-4da8-8459-394282110203
[17:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "libglobalmenu.so" -> so it's likely the extension
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah :(
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is this the build from the PPA?
[17:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's firefox from natty, but your extension from ppa
[17:51] <pitti> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chrisccoulson/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you didn't manually install an xpi at the sprint did you (before using the PPA)? i don't remember...
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i know a few people did
[17:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, I'm not sure; can I check somehow?
[17:52] <pitti> find -name '*.xpi' in my ~/.mozilla or so?
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you could check in your profile folder to make sure (you won't find the unpacked xpi though)
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> you could just look for libglobalmenu.so
[17:53] <pitti> {c0c9a2c7-2e5c-4447-bc53-97718bc91e1b}.xpi
[17:53] <pitti> {d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}.xpi
[17:53] <pitti> {e4a8a97b-f2ed-450b-b12d-ee082ba24781}.xpi
[17:53] <pitti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:53] <pitti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:53] <pitti> the last two aren't your's
[17:54] <pitti> first is youtubedownload
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> yeah, mine will be a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>folder, rather than an xpi
[17:54] <pitti> then adblockplus
[17:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah ok, so I don't have it then?
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to do a build that saves the debugging symbols, and ask you to get a backtrace ;)
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - or you could try that maybe?
[17:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: perhaps you can update your PPA with your recent fix first, and I'll try that, and if it's not that one, we do the debug build?
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, actually. there is another known crasher that i know affects tbird with lightning installed
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if you're hitting the same bug
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> there's a bug where everything falls apart if a menupopup contains a node that can't be displayed in the menu
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if one of your other extensions do that ;)
[17:58]  * chrisccoulson takes a look at them
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - this is the other crash i know about: https://code.launchpad.net/~mconley/globalmenu-extension/fix-segfault-with-lightning
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> it's quite possible you hit that too
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what was e4a8a97b-f2ed-450b-b12d-ee082ba24781?
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> oh, greasemonkey
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, my desktop has turned in to crash land now, everything is crashing and freezing
[18:12] <fta> eheh
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> unity-panel-service is spinning when i change window focus and then everything else stops working
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - interesting. i've got firefox to crash on start after installing the first 4 extensions on your list
[18:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I disabled pentadactyl already
[18:24] <pitti> (that's Vimperator)
[18:25] <pitti> but I still get crashes, so I don't think it's related to that
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> i can't even start firefox now ;)
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> should be easy to debug!
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[18:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I have that often, too; in that case I removed my sessionstore.js
[18:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: but for debugging, yes :)
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, these invisible windows are driving me crazy
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> i have to start firefox like 3-4 times before i actually get a visible window
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> oh, this is getting crazy now
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> ok, unity is telling me to stop working
[18:33] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: see, it's smart :)
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> it's making me not very productive atm. i can't get the firefox profile chooser dialog to map at all
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> i just get an invisible box that gets in my way ;)
[18:36] <pitti> chrisccoulson: does it still crash with metacity?
[18:36]  * pitti -> off for dinner, bbl
[18:36] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy!
[18:39] <Sweetshark> unity is crashing here too quite a lot. One time it seems to react badly on vim-gnome trying to open a window in the topleft corner, while the panel was popping up for the new window ... but thats just a guess.
[18:40] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: tell that to smspillaz, he has hard time to reproduce and debug it
[18:45]  * bcurtiswx can commiserate with chrisccoulson
[18:46] <bcurtiswx> brb
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - i'm not sure what to say, it happens all the time here ;)
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> i don't need any specific steps
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> but it's pretty much unusable atm, i've got invisible windows appearing all over my screen, that i just can't seem to get rid of
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i got a stacktrace
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> the crash i'm seeing is related to the bug i fixed yesterday
[19:11] <pitti> cool
[19:18] <pitti> ooh, fresh gtk+ release? nice
[19:20] <highvoltage> they still develop that!?
[19:20]  * highvoltage hides before he gets smacked
[19:36] <mvo_> mterry: check out dejadup …
[19:37] <mvo_> mterry: in s-c - the utf8 bug appears to be fixed!
[19:37]  * mterry looks
[19:38] <mterry> mvo_, Now I'm getting some "JSONDecodeError: No JSON object could be decoded" error?
[19:38] <ricotz> mterry, thanks for gtk3
[19:38] <mterry> ricotz, thank *you* :)
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i just fixed another crash i found too (crashing if window registration fails)
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> and m_conley fixed the other main crasher
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> so, hopefully, one of those is yours ;)
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> i'll upload a new version later
[19:39] <mvo_> mterry: hmmmm how anoying, it displays it correctly for me. anything more in the error?
[19:40] <mterry> mvo_, what got fixed?  are there reviews there to be read or can I now post them?
[19:40] <mvo_> mterry: I was able to post a new one
[19:40] <mterry> mvo_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/562168/
[19:40] <mterry> mvo_, that was jusst looking at the page
[19:40] <mterry> mvo_, I'll try posting
[19:41] <mvo_> mterry: thans, let me debug that a bit more
[19:42] <mterry> mvo_, OK, it claims the review went through
[19:50] <mterry> mvo_, but closing and opening S-C again gives the same error and doesn't show me my own review
[19:52] <tremolux> glatzor: hello Sebastian!  did you see my note re: the early progress feedback from aptdaemon?  your change in r573 seems to work perfectly using software-center latest version
[20:11] <cyphermox> hey mterry, thanks for the mir review. as for the bug subscription for rfkill, that's just me forgetting to subscribe myself ;)
[20:29] <mterry> cyphermox, :)
[20:32] <cyphermox> mterry, I'll need to start thinking about applying for more upload rights soon, most the packages I work on are in main now ;)
[20:33] <mterry> cyphermox, stop filing MIRs then!  ;)
[20:46] <cyphermox> hehe
[21:22] <mvo_> mterry: indeed, I can reproduce that here too, I check it out tomorrow
[21:22] <mterry> mvo_, cool
[21:23] <mterry> mvo_, those accents (if indeed they are still the problem) bring out the worst in various apps
[21:23] <mvo_> mterry: which is good :)
[21:24] <mvo_> mterry: means we fix the bugs
[21:24] <mvo_> but I call it a day now I think
[21:24] <mterry> mvo_, agreed, see ya!
[21:26]  * mvo_ waves
[21:28] <kenvandine> ok, one of today's updates seems to have  broken pithos... not happy
[21:31] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry, tedg: great work!
[21:32] <seb128> lot of fixes in the indicator stack by reading the changelogs
[21:32] <mterry> yar.  Some more to go still, but getting awesome  :)
[21:34] <bcurtiswx> pithos is broken, :(
[21:36] <kenvandine> :)
[21:36] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, :(
[21:36] <kenvandine> not sure what caused it
[21:36] <seb128> seems that pithos thing is used on this channel ;-)
[21:36] <kenvandine> i tried blaming indicator-application, but i downgraded that and it still crashes
[21:36] <seb128> bcurtiswx, did you upgrade recently? did it break after an upgrade?
[21:37] <kenvandine> hehe
[21:37] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i upgrade frequently, and yes it broke today
[21:37] <bcurtiswx> i haven't tried it, until this afternoon, there have been many updates
[21:37] <seb128> bcurtiswx, when did you upgrade? I guess you didn't get yet the new stack kenvandine uploaded
[21:37] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well was it broken before we unfreezed earlier today?
[21:38] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah i am sure it wasn't from my uploads
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> seb128, I don't believe so
[21:38] <kenvandine> but something i got when i upgraded at lunch caused it
[21:38] <seb128> so after the updates today?
[21:38] <kenvandine> i am looking at my log
[21:38] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> i upgrades three times, one this morning one lunch one now
[21:38] <seb128> it's a python application?
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> just tried after updating
[21:38] <seb128> how does it crash?
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> it uses python, yes
[21:38] <kenvandine> seb128, yes python
[21:38] <seb128> pitti did a pygobject git snapshot
[21:38] <seb128> I would blame that...
[21:38] <kenvandine> ah... maybe
[21:38]  * kenvandine dives in
[21:38]  * bcurtiswx runs with pitchfork towards pitti's house
[21:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, don't drown
[21:39] <pitti> what, what?
[21:39] <kenvandine> theres a good sized puddle at some point
[21:39] <bcurtiswx> google told me to take a canoe over the atlantic ocean.. i'm cool
[21:39] <kenvandine> pitti, we are looking to see if your pygobject upload broke pithos
[21:39] <pitti> bcurtiswx: well, try to downgrade to the previous version and see if it's that?
[21:40] <pitti> broken how? i. e. how can this be tested?
[21:40] <bcurtiswx> pitti what version to downgrade to?
[21:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the previous one
[21:41] <pitti> bcurtiswx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygobject/2.27.0+git20110108-0ubuntu1
[21:41] <pitti> bcurtiswx: click on the architecture, there you can download the binaries
[21:43] <bcurtiswx> sudo apt-get install pygobject=2.27.0+git20110108-0ubuntu1 doesn't work i see
[21:43] <kenvandine> pitti, i didn't get that update yet
[21:43] <pitti> bcurtiswx: the binary is python-gobject
[21:43] <pitti> bcurtiswx: as the new version only built a few hours ago, you might still have that on your mirror
[21:43] <kenvandine> oh, actually i did
[21:43] <kenvandine> not ubuntu3 though
[21:43] <bcurtiswx>  pygobject | 2.27.0+git20110131-0ubuntu2 |         natty | source
[21:44] <pitti> kenvandine: ubuntu3 is just from now, and just drops python 2.6 support
[21:44] <pitti> ubuntu2 is the same code
[21:44] <pitti> ubuntu1 never built (thankfully, it broke pygtk2)
[21:45] <bcurtiswx> so is mine current that I can downgrad to test?
[21:45] <bcurtiswx> downgrade even
[21:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx, did you read what pitti said before?
[21:45] <bcurtiswx> yeah i don't have that version i'll dl
[21:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx, he gave you the url and told you what to download and install
[21:45] <bcurtiswx> was just making sure
[21:45] <bcurtiswx> sorry :()
[21:46] <seb128> right, it's not in the archive that's why you need to download it on launchpad at the url copied before
[21:46] <kenvandine> ok
[21:46] <kklimonda> seb128: hey, you called? :)
[21:46] <kenvandine> confirmed
[21:47] <kenvandine> downgrading pygobject fixes it
[21:47] <pitti> kenvandine: its' pygobject?
[21:47] <kenvandine> yup
[21:47] <pitti> ok
[21:47] <bcurtiswx> confirmed as well
[21:47] <bcurtiswx> pygobject
[21:47] <pitti> as it's almost 11 pm and I'm about to turn in, would you guys mind filing a bug, so that I can look at that tomorrow?
[21:47] <pitti> i. e. what's broken and how to test
[21:49] <kenvandine> pitti, sure
[21:49] <seb128> hey kklimonda
[21:49] <bcurtiswx> ugh, when unity disappears because i use the applications took, do i need to unity --reset or compiz --replace
[21:49] <seb128> kklimonda, do you still want to work on the gtkmm updates?
[21:49] <kklimonda> seb128: yes
[21:50] <seb128> kklimonda, ok great, I was not sure since you didn't seem to pick recent ones and others did it after a while
[21:50] <seb128> kklimonda, there is libglib one to do if you want to work on it
[21:51] <seb128> bcurtiswx, just run compiz --replace or unity without reset
[21:51] <bcurtiswx> seb128, ah thanks :) much better
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> windowless apps are scary
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> borderless*
[21:53] <bcurtiswx> ugh, i can never remember not to alt+tab
[21:53] <bcurtiswx> keeps breaking compiz and/or unity
[21:53] <kklimonda> seb128: sure, I'll take it
[21:54] <kklimonda> seb128: I should keep an eye on desktop/versions.html - I've noticted Robert updating glibmm along with glib once or twice and have thought that he's working on it :)
[21:56] <seb128> kklimonda, well glibmm has been sitting a few days last times, I wanted to ping you and I forget and then I decided to do the update since nobody was doing it
[21:56] <seb128> kklimonda, I will ping you when there is one waiting if you don't react ;-)
[21:57] <seb128> kklimonda, btw what about glom? upstream really wanted that one updated it seems
[21:58] <seb128> ok, time to call it a day
[21:58] <seb128> see you later!
[21:58] <kklimonda> eh, it took me to long to answer :/
[21:58] <kklimonda> oh well
[22:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/folks/0.3.4-0ubuntu1 is new, does anything have to be done still? empathy is waiting for that to finish building
[22:04] <kenvandine> oh, yeah
[22:04] <kenvandine> we need an archive admin
[22:05] <bcurtiswx> who's the admin today?
[22:05] <bcurtiswx> to contact for these?
[22:07] <micahg> bcurtiswx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Archive%20days
[22:12] <pitti> good night everyone!
[22:14] <bcurtiswx> nite pitti
[22:15] <desrt> mterry: around?
[22:15] <mterry> desrt, yup
[22:15] <desrt> i could use a favour :)
[22:15] <mterry> desrt, k...
[22:15] <desrt> can you try running your test suite against dconf master?
[22:16] <desrt> i tossed a mutex into the critical spot...
[22:20] <mterry> desrt, sorry, tabbed away
[22:20] <desrt> s'ok
[22:20] <mterry> desrt, didn't notice the actual request  ;)
[22:20] <mterry> desrt, ok, let me try
[22:21] <desrt> i'd also like you to make me a sandwich, if that's okay
[22:21] <desrt> sudo please?
[22:21] <mterry> desrt, dammit, you are not the first person to try to sudo me today.  :)
[22:21] <desrt> old memes die hard :p
[22:22] <mterry> desrt, alright, have to update my slightly old jhbuild setup
[22:22] <desrt> if this fixes your issue then it'll be enough to do a release for
[22:22] <mterry> desrt, although it's probably a simple patch from tip?
[22:23] <mterry> I could just do a quick distro patch in that case
[22:23] <desrt> so be aware that you're actually creating more work for yourself here :)
[22:23] <mterry> heh
[22:23] <desrt> ya.. there are other distros though
[22:23] <desrt> and there are two patches now
[22:23] <mterry> desrt, yeah, I meant for testing right now
[22:23] <desrt> ah yes.  of course.
[22:23] <mterry> just cause jhbuild will probably want to rebuild glib and friend
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, still around?
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> bah ah ah...
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> guess not..
[22:24] <mterry> desrt, is it just this patch?: http://git.gnome.org/browse/dconf/commit/?id=cf0eb5cce184198b2b3394bb30936ae58d649339
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> how long do dep waits.. wait. before they try again?
[22:25] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, still there?
[22:25] <desrt> mterry: yes
[22:26] <desrt> arghghg owen
[22:28] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, yes... but gotta run right now
[22:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, right.  got folks newed :)
[22:28] <kenvandine> thx
[22:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, have a good afternoon
[22:29] <kenvandine> you too
[22:39] <mterry> desrt, I have to head out, but looking good so far
[22:39] <mterry> desrt, I will finish and comment on the bug
[22:40] <desrt> mterry: thanks a lot