[18:12] <EndymionM> That'd be defined as "The Plan", yep.
[18:12] <gmachine_24> what does this mean Mode #ubuntu +o IdleOne by ChanServ
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> j0lz: of plex. Another great solution.
[18:12] <j0lz> gmachine_24, a bit of both I am looking at something like this except it was a web gui for making playlists and that type of thing http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=322&name=Podcast%20Generator
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> gmachine_24: means that idleone put his op hat on and is about to lay the smack down
[18:13] <gmachine_24> ActionParsnip: thank you. :-)
[18:13] <IdleOne> actually, I invited the log bot back in
[18:14] <gmachine_24> j0lz: you want to make a podcast?
[18:14] <EndymionM> Who doesn't want to make a podcast?
[18:14] <j0lz> ActionParsnip, yes I like the look of plex
[18:15] <gmachine_24> EndymionM: :-) me.
[18:15] <j0lz> yes i have been thinking about it gmachine_24
[18:15] <EndymionM> gmachine_24: Then there's probably something wrong with you.  Get inspired and have a message to share with the world.
[18:15] <nikolam> EndymionM, I better like isolating such old apps completely. (if I understood right, that is x86 DOS application). I would run it inside Virtualbox and treat it as separate machine if possible.
[18:16] <buchmann> e aí?
[18:16] <gmachine_24> j0lz: at home I used slim server for years until it was acquired by logitech and became logitech media server - because I have a nice-sounding logitech player I still use it
[18:16] <gmachine_24> EndymionM: oh there's no doubt something is wrong with me. :-)
[18:16] <nikolam> Or run Dosbox with underprivileged account
[18:17] <gmachine_24> j0lz: I also use MediaTomb - which is kind of cumbersome depending on what you're trying to stream to
[18:18] <gmachine_24> but not for music - for video
[18:18] <j0lz> gmachine_24, I remember the logitech media center it was really nice interface
[18:19] <gmachine_24> j0lz: yes, they inherited that from slim server
[18:19] <EndymionM> nikolam: That makes it a pain the rear to maintain save files.
[18:20] <thoonai> llutz: thanks gtg
[18:20] <raj__> how to check in bash script if first char of string is '/' & modify it to 'xx'?
[18:21] <daftykins> #bash
[18:22] <gmachine_24> j0lz: have been playing with the idea of using musicip with the logitech software to create playlists ... but I've never been a big fan of playlists.... so it just kind of sits there
[18:24] <j0lz> gmachine_24, I spend more time wading through the music I have to find and play than I am comfortable with
[18:25] <Guye_Alvarez> How can i install Jdownloader in Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:25] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Guye_Alvarez, ask the other channel
[18:25] <gmachine_24> j0lz: yeah, and it only gets worse as you add more music . . .
[18:26] <gmachine_24> j0lz: which is one reason I'm interested in musicip
[18:27] <nikolam> EndymionM, not if you do zfs send or btrfs send of whole Virtualbox volumes. Then you copy changed blocks on volume, not files. You mount volume on other side and read data as you like. Virtualbox can also use iscsi-exported volumes.
[18:28] <ubuntued> Hi guys, I have a weird thing where my Thunderbird (no other windows) window is maximised, won't show the titlebar, can only quit with Ctrl-Q. Alt-Space > resize allows the little grabby triangle in the bottom right corner but it doesn't do anything. Ideas?
 and when grub boots
 it will boot linux
 can i make it boot windows?
 the 3 second timer thingy
[18:28] <problem123> I have a computer (with Lubuntu 13.10) that doesn
[18:28] <problem123> 't want to boot
[18:29] <OerHeks> ubuntued hit F11 to get out of full screen
[18:29] <gmachine_24> shovel_boss: I assume you mean boot windows as the option without having to choose windows....... right?
[18:29] <shovel_boss> yes
[18:29] <problem123> I changed quiet splash to text, and I keep seeing cannot allocate memory
[18:29] <j0lz> gmachine_24, i might try it out too
[18:29] <ubuntued> that is a great idea!
[18:30] <shovel_boss> is it easy to do gmachine_24 ?
[18:30] <problem123> I'm getting this: "unable to get pwuid: cannot allocate memory"
[18:30] <gmachine_24> shovel_boss: perhaps this http://askubuntu.com/questions/52963/how-do-i-set-windows-to-boot-as-the-default-in-the-boot-loader
[18:30] <shovel_boss> thanks
[18:30] <ubuntued> neg, it toggles the today bar thing on the right-hand side
[18:30] <ajoul> would it be possible to fetch work from stratum instead of bitcoind would that be considered sub-pooling?
[18:31] <simone> la grande bellezza
[18:31] <problem123> Can anyone here help with my boot problem?
[18:31] <ajoul> would it be possible to fetch work from stratum instead of bitcoind would that be considered sub-pooling?
[18:32] <problem123> BTW, it worked yesterday.
[18:32] <utf-8> i think that it was an italian chat
[18:33] <daftykins> ajoul: this is not a channel for mining help
[18:34] <daftykins> !anyone | problem123
[18:34] <EndymionM> daftykins: Really?  So you wouldn't be able to tell me how I can refine redstone ore? :-P
[18:35] <daftykins> EndymionM: you're not familiar with bitcoin mining i take it
[18:35] <problem123> daftykins, I'm trying to boot, but I get 'cannot allocate memory' errors (I'm using text boot)
[18:35] <cfhowlett> EndymionM, wrong channel.  a little respect for the rules goes a long way here.
[18:35] <daftykins> problem123: perhaps your installation medium is not good
[18:36] <problem123> It worked for two weeks until now
[18:36] <daftykins> take a picture if you can
[18:36] <EndymionM> cfhowlett: I do wish to point out that I was kidding.  And I have been asking questions about Ubuntu... because, yeah long-time Windows user.
[18:37] <cfhowlett> EndymionM, hmm.  noted.
[18:37] <daftykins> EndymionM: for future reference nazis will descend upon you if you speak of anything off topic
[18:38] <cowboyuppride> I thought it was ninjas?
[18:38] <problem123> Can I fix the installation from a live DVD *without* overwriting it?
[18:38] <daftykins> problem123: well we don't know what's wrong yet 'cause you haven't provided any logs/errors
[18:38] <daftykins> but most likely!
[18:38] <EndymionM> daftykins: Duly noted.  So I need to find a version of zDoom with the Wolf3dTC.
[18:39] <problem123> daftykins, It might take me a few minutes, let me get the live DVD (since i cant boot)
[18:39] <daftykins> problem123: i'd be willing to bet you've upgraded kernel, hold left shift at bootup and boot an older one to test
[18:41] <problem123> daftykins, I already got the live DVD, but i'll reboot and try that.
[18:43] <problem123> by holding shift, am I supposed to get the grub menu? I already have it, and I've tried advanced options.
[18:43] <problem123> it did the same thing
[18:43] <problem123> so I'll try to find a log file from the live dvd
[18:43] <raj__> how do I hook a script to be executed whenever 'nano' command is used.. ?
[18:44] <problem123> daftykins, once I've got my linux partition mounted, what logfile should I look for?
[18:47] <TheNH813> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! I broke Glibc and Glibc6.
[18:48] <TheNH813> I have no idea what I did, all i ran was apt-get upgrade
[18:48] <bekks> TheNH813: That wont break glibc.
[18:48] <bekks> TheNH813: So what did you do before?
[18:48] <problem123> daftykins, I've mounted it, and I'm in /var/log - which one do you need to see?
[18:48] <TheNH813> I was updating Glibc and it failed while replacing it.
[18:49] <TheNH813> bekks: Now it kernel panics trying to find libc6 on boot.
[18:49] <bekks> TheNH813: Do you remember the error message when it failed to replace?
[18:50] <TheNH813> Yes, failed to replace file <something.so>
[18:50] <daftykins> problem123: so you tried older kernels and got no different result huh?
[18:50] <TheNH813> bekks: Should I just reinstall? I broke like 36 other libraries too.
[18:50] <problem123> no - assuming that's what those version numbers in advanced options were
[18:50] <bekks> TheNH813: Thats the easy way, yes.
[18:51] <TheNH813> bekks: Before I rebooted thinking it was a glitch sudo itself segfaults because of the missing file.
[18:51] <daftykins> problem123: they were, you would've ignored the newest version and booted the one before it, then keep going back in the list seeing whether it errors each time or just on the newest one
[18:52] <problem123> daftykins, I tried all three of them, but only the first one with text. Let me run the other two with text and see if I get the same errors.
[18:52] <TheNH813> bekks: I know pretty much about Linux, and never expected this to happen. Is there any way to find the list of installed software? I was going to be remastering and had installed countless things.
[18:52] <problem123> When I run them without text, I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor.
[18:53] <bekks> TheNH813: for getting that list you would have to repair your system :)
[18:54] <problem123> daftykins, nope - I get the same errors in the older versions
[18:55] <problem123> let me try recovery mode
[18:55] <daftykins> problem123: is this a laptop?
[18:55] <TheNH813> bekks: Just checked the sources from this LivdCD, I see, I used the wrong repository. I had replaced some lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and forced installed incompatable versions of like 1260 libraries. Definitely reinstalling, it would be hell to try fixing all of that.
[18:55] <monsune> would you happen to know if 100mbit cisco firewall makes any sense? i mean can it protect the machine behind it against ddos attack that is stronger than 100mbit? or 100mbit means that anything over 100mbit would exhaust the fw and make the server unresponsive?
[18:56] <TheNH813> bekks: Thanks for helping.
[18:56] <problem123> daftykins, no, it's a desktop. The only thing different today than yesterday is that it's been moved (physically).
[18:56] <daftykins> monsune: that has nothing to do with Ubuntu - try ##networking
[18:56] <monsune> ok thank you daftykins.. just wasn't sure where to ask about that
[18:56] <daftykins> funnily enough Cisco firewalls != Linux distributions - so that was clue #1 ;)
[18:57] <problem123> perhaps, since it's giving me memory errors, I should do a memory test?
[18:57] <monsune> well my clue was that at least one guy in here must be using a hardware firewall ;)
[18:57] <daftykins> problem123: could have knocked something loose. yeah memtest wouldn't hurt
[18:58] <bekks> monsune: If your line is ddos'ed with more bandwidth than you actually have, no firewall on this world can prevent that.
[18:58] <daftykins> don't enable the offtopic =/
[18:59] <EndymionM> Alright.  Thanks for the help, See you all later.
[19:00] <monsune> bekks the firewall in colo is on another network than physical machine and it's just routed tru fw
[19:00] <bekks> monsune: Which doesnt affect what has been said.
[19:00] <monsune> so what's the point of that fw and why is it so costly...
[19:01] <bekks> monsune: It is very offtopic in here.
[19:03] <monsune> ok i'm sorry
[19:07] <problem123> daftykins, the memtest finished without errors. I'm going to try updating from the live CD. I hope that works.
[19:08] <Flashservis> někdo z České Republiky? :)
[19:08] <cfhowlett> !ck
[19:08] <cfhowlett> !cz
[19:10] <c2tarun> Why do dialogues from Xchat move to my clipboard automatically? How can I prevent it?
[19:10] <cfhowlett> c2tarun, I seem to recall seeing that option in the xchat settings.  explore
[19:20] <mirofilmphoenix> skype
[19:25] <cyber37> Hi! There is no channel #wine, so i come here
[19:25] <cyber37> i try to install the game "Warframe" with wine
[19:25] <cfhowlett> !wine|cyber37,
[19:26] <cyber37> But the game is broken when she try to acces on internet, i have that 3 lines repeated :
[19:26] <cyber37> fixme:ras:RasEnumConnectionsW (0x12e640,0x292c684,0x76c623e4),stub!
[19:26] <cyber37> fixme:ras:RasEnumConnectionsW RAS support is not implemented! Configure program to use LAN connection/winsock instead!
[19:26] <cyber37> fixme:service:EnumServicesStatusW resume handle not supported
[19:26] <cyber37> Sorry for no pastbin it; but for 3 lines .. and cfhowlett, realy thanks for help.
[19:26] <cfhowlett> cyber37, ask  #winehq for wine support
[19:27] <Deihmos_> Anyone use Ubuntu on surface pro
[19:29] <nikolam> this freaking pulseaudio... since day 1 he was making problems... now I install one simple linux game (FTL) and he is killing CPU using 73% CPU time.. How hard it is jus using SOUND in 2014...
[19:36] <kongthap> i installed ubuntu 13.10 as sda2 after windows7, before i only boot into windows7, after using boot-repair now it's only can boot to ubuntu, how to enable dual boot, please help ?
[19:41] <franknog> kongthap: both options should be available after you boot into BIOS. grub should come up after you boot.
[19:41] <kongthap> franknog, after using boot-repair, my grub only offers to boot into ubuntu :(
[19:42] <franknog> kongthap: why did you use boot-repair
[19:42] <kongthap> franknog, what did you meant by boot into BIOS, what to do ?
[19:42] <franknog> kongthap: after BIOS grub comes up. it's just the order
[19:43] <Beldar> kongthap, Did you save the botinfo summary?
[19:43] <Beldar> bootinfo*
[19:43] <kongthap> franknog, i install ubuntu after windows 7, before i couldn't boot into ubuntu but windows 7, so someone here told me to fix with boot-repair
[19:44] <kongthap> Beldar, the boot-repair notice me some paste.ubuntu.com, hang on
[19:44] <kongthap> Beldar, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7097373/
[19:47] <franknog> kongthap: could you also provide the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:47] <EndymionM> Hi, I'm back, because I have a really dumb question that could only come from someone just going from Windows.  Can I use (for example) Workspace 1 on my laptop display, and Workspace 2 on the one I have connected by VGA cable?  And if I do, can I then swap them like I would with Ctrl+Alt+arrow?
[19:48] <slb> hi all, quick question. couple of years ago, i ripped (using ruby ripper) all my CDs to flacs in one directory. i would like to figure out how to move those to individual folders - one per CD. i was thinking of using music player software to bring up the entire collection of flacs, and then copy one CD at at time to an individual folder, but don't think the music playing software i've used allows you to select the flacs of a given album and m
[19:48] <slb> ove them like within a file manager. any ideas?
[19:49] <kongthap> franknog, it's here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7097504/
[19:49] <slb> for the record, i've used rhythmbox, amarok, banshee, xnoise over the years
[19:50] <Beldar> kongthap, The script shows nothing wrong it should be booting grub, I would use supergrub to boot to ubuntu and reload the mbr from there.
[19:51] <Beldar> kongthap, http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
[19:51] <kasad> newbie question. Since alias doesn't take variables ie alias gosubdomainroot="cd /var/www/vhosts/domain.tld/subdomains/$1" I wanted to make a function in .bashrc so I did something like
[19:52] <EndymionM> slb: Why not just move them in a batch file based on name into folders?  Is the collection so large as to be unwieldy?
[19:52] <Beldar> kongthap, there is also the bootrepiars developers thread at the UF that is good help, post the script there.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[19:52] <kongthap> Beldar, i will try that, but by the way what is the safe way to install ubuntu after windows 7? i always face this kind of problem :(
[19:53] <MarkShuttleworth> MY NAME IS MARK SHUTTLEWORTH
[19:53] <MarkShuttleworth> AND I AM YOUR GOD
[19:53] <JazSpaz> Hello Mark Shuttleworth.
[19:53] <slb> lol
[19:53] <MarkShuttleworth> DROP THE AMAZON ADS ALREADY
[19:53] <kasad> So, since alias can't accept $1 I tried in .bashrc: gosub() { if [$1 == ""] then cd /var/www/vhosts/mydomain/subdomains/ else cd /var/www/vhosts/mydomain/subdomains/$1 fi
[19:53] <cfhowlett> !ops
[19:53] <Flannel> MarkShuttleworth: Please stop, thanks.
[19:53] <MarkShuttleworth> STOP WHAT
[19:54] <kasad> which works, but if I do foreaxmple gosub foo, it will change to said folder but also give me error "command foo doesn't exist"
[19:54] <slb> EndymionM, the file names are the title #s and track names. the rest of the info is only in the tags.
[19:54] <Beldar> kongthap, Not sure why you have this problem, I have 5 OS on one 256 gig SSD one is W8.1 and the rest ubuntu. YOu would have to detail exactly what you do and happens to find the answer.
[19:54] <kasad> any hints?
[19:55] <kongthap> Beldar, install ubuntu after windows for 4-5 times, i always face this kind of problems but in slidely different details
[19:56] <franknog> kongthap: walk me through your typical Ubuntu installation process.
[19:56] <kongthap> Beldar, the 2nd link you suggest, about the boot-repair, this is the one i used when i cannot boot into windows 7, should i try to re-run it again ?
[19:56] <EndymionM> slb: I know a perfect piece of software for that in Windows(mp3tag), I know nothing about Wine, so I'm looking for an Ubuntu alternative.
[19:57] <kongthap> franknog, i just got a new harddisk, 1. i made a partition and install windows 7 first
[19:57] <EndymionM> slb: Ah. I see.  Try renaming them from their tags with Puddletag, then copy the files to their new folder structure, perhaps?
[19:57] <slb> EndymionM, i've used that to tag my mp3s (for my portable disk player). didn't know it could move files around??
[19:58] <Beldar> kongthap, I gave yoiu two links one is supergrub and the other the bootrepair developers thread to post that script you gave the url to.
[19:58] <kongthap> franknog, after that i use ubuntu liveusb (created on windows) to made a new ex4 partition and install ubuntu
[19:58] <EndymionM> slb: It can, but that's not what I was suggesting - I was suggesting it for Step 1 - rename them so that it's artist - album - track - tracknum.
[19:58] <kongthap> franknog, when finish installing ubuntu i just only can boot into windows 7 just like i never install ubuntu
[19:59] <slb> EndymionM, there's like 8GB of them, i was hoping to do album at a time, not file at a time
[19:59] <cfhowlett> kongthap, reinstall grub
[19:59] <cfhowlett> !grub
[19:59] <kongthap> Beldar, sorry i misunderstood about the 2nd link
[19:59] <franknog> kongthap: that's when you ran boot-repair, but that made you only able to boot into Ubuntu?
[19:59] <Beldar> kongthap, Honestly with the info you have given we would at best be guessing why you have this problem, not sure this is the place to figure that out, it might be your job to do this.
[19:59] <EndymionM> slb: I still think a mass-move batch would be best
[20:00] <slb> EndymionM, my logic is since the music software can read the tags, and categorize per album, i should be able to use that to move an album at a time
[20:00] <naxil> !chat
[20:00] <cfhowlett> slb, I've recently begun using clementine.  mass mp3 tag editing is available
[20:00] <EndymionM> slb: I was about to suggest Clementine as well.
[20:01] <slb> i'll check it out
[20:01] <RobDude> Is there any software that is distribution specific?  Or if you can get it to run in Ubuntu, you can run it in whatever distro, so long as you have the pre-reqs installed?
[20:01] <slb> thanks EndymionM and cfhowlett
[20:01] <kongthap> cfhowlett, you meant something like this -> sudo grub-install /dev/sda --boot-directory=/mnt
[20:01] <slb> RobDude, pretty much
[20:01] <RobDude> slb:  Cool - ty
[20:02] <RobDude> I've noticed a few things that have like a download for Ubuntu but nothing else
[20:02] <kongthap> franknog, yeah, after ran boot-repair i only can boot into ubuntu just like i never had windows :(
[20:02] <slb> RobDude, it is because someone created a deb for Ubuntu b/c it has more users
[20:03] <RobDude> Gotcha - but someone on another distro could just take the deb or do whatever they'd need to do and it should work
[20:03] <slb> you can always install from scratch using traballs
[20:03] <RobDude> Ahh
[20:03] <kongthap> Beldar, allow me one more question, the super grub2, it can be made to liveusb right? all i have to do is made liveusb and boot from it right?
[20:03] <slb> ubuntu is debian based so uses debs (installation files if you like); others used rpms
[20:03] <Beldar> kongthap, yes
[20:03] <ikonia> why do you want to use supergrub ?
[20:03] <ikonia> why not use grub that ships with ubuntu
[20:04] <Beldar> ikonia, Has a failing boot bootsript looks good for a boot, I suggested supergrub to get in and reload the mbr from the desktop.
[20:04] <kasad> guys can somebody give me a hint what I am doing wrong here: http://pastie.org/8930524
[20:07] <jorgem> hii
[20:07] <jorgem> somebody can help me?
[20:08] <ikonia> why the need for super grub thats actually a different version
[20:08] <franknog> hi jorgem, what seems to be the issue?
[20:08] <ikonia> Beldar: what's wrong with the grub provided on the ubuntu live/install cd
[20:08] <daftykins> jorgem: ask
[20:08] <kasad> scratch that, got help already, (if anyone is interested to solution for http://pastie.org/8930524, there has to be space after and before [ and ] in if statement credit goes to mr.  ayecee from #linux
[20:09] <Beldar> ikonia, nothing except they can't seem to get it to boot, take a look at all the posts, you are welcome to fix that.
[20:09] <jorgem> hii, mi problem is that when i charge mi pc ubuntu doesnt put "charging" on the battery
[20:09] <franknog> thanks for letting us know how you solved it, kasad
[20:09] <jorgem> sorry for my bad english
[20:10] <jorgem> hi?
[20:10] <Beldar> ikonia, They used the bootrepair app, grub is in the mbr.
[20:11] <kongthap> please recommend app to make liveusb for super grub2? it cannot be used with startup disk creator
[20:11] <franknog> jorgem: it just doesn't show if the battery is charging?
[20:13] <jorgem> the battery actually is charging but in ubuntu appears like "timeuot xx min"
[20:13] <jorgem> timeout*
[20:13] <franknog> jorgem: is that the only problem you have?
[20:13] <jorgem> yes :)
[20:13] <ikonia> Beldar: then why are you telling them to get super grub ?
[20:14] <jorgem> i hav others but i want to solve that first
[20:14] <jorgem> have*
[20:14] <Beldar> ikonia, You have not been following, and now you are here to ask me stupid questions, help the user, suggesting supergrub to boot in is not a bad suggestion.
[20:14] <franknog> jorgem: it's probably a GNOME thing considering GNOME does the same thing. it's not a pressing issue, so how about we take care of one of your other problems?
[20:15] <ikonia> Beldar: it's not a stupid question, it's a pretty sensible considering he probably already has an ubuntu CD from which he did the install from,
[20:15] <Beldar> ikonia, I know your a mod and I am not being disrespectful, however your focus is really off here.
[20:15] <jorgem> it doesnt have a solution? what a pitty :(
[20:15] <ikonia> Beldar: that's why I'm asking the question - to understand why you are suggesting a super grub CD when the ubuntu cd will be fine
[20:15] <ikonia> unless there is something I'm missing
[20:15] <ikonia> (hence asking)
[20:16] <jorgem> how can i reorder the icons at the right/top screen?
[20:16] <Netwolf> http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/tlg/4376561036.html
[20:16] <ikonia> Netwolf: please don't spam that here
[20:16] <jorgem> i use gnome interface
[20:16] <Netwolf> ikonia: sorry, stupid touch screen paste
[20:17] <franknog> jorgem: I think unity-tweak-tool will take care of that if you're using Unity. for GNOME it is gnome-tweak-tool.
[20:17] <jorgem> i have that.. but i dont know were is the configuration
[20:18] <franknog> jorgem: you don't know how to access it? type unity-tweak-tool into the terminal.
[20:19] <jorgem> i know that but i cant find where do i can change de order of the icons
[20:20] <Beldar> ikonia, Seemed the best path to results under a circumstance of a use not understanding or even knowing what they have done or are doing or the answer to why they have this same problem on a msdos HS everytime.
[20:20] <Beldar> user/HD
[20:21] <sara> Buenas noches!
[20:22] <Beldar> ikonia, I use supergrub often other then the live cd, to reload from the desktop, but I have it on a multibot usb, it is a small download is all.
[20:22] <ikonia> I don't see why super grub cd is needed for that, but fair enough
[20:22] <ikonia> Beldar: he should already have the ubuntu cd - he did the install on, so there is no download required
[20:22] <jorgem> hola sara!
[20:23] <sara> Just instaled Xubuntu and I dont have a 'restart' entry on the menu... just power off and logoff
[20:23] <sara> any ideas how to put a restart there?
[20:24] <jorgem> sara podes apretar directamente el boton de encendido/apagado
[20:24] <sara> jorgem, no, sale un aviso de : esto se apaga en 30 seg. aceptas o cancelas...
[20:25] <mactrent> sara: I'm slightly annoyed by this, too, but if you use th 'Log Out', it opens up a menu with options.  It's a lot like WinXP.
[20:25] <jorgem> sara, que raro! xubuntu o lubuntu?
[20:25] <tozen> hey! eng, please
[20:25] <sara> xubuntu
[20:26] <sara> mactrent, lets look there!
[20:26] <sara> mactrent, right
[20:26] <tozen> sara:  why to not to use bash aliases then?
[20:26] <Izaya>  #learnprogramming
[20:26] <Izaya> woops
[20:26] <sara> thanks, didn't even look at there
[20:27] <sara> jorgem, está en en menú logout!
[20:27] <Beldar> kongthap, Lets get back to what happens when you power on, the grub menu should be showing, does it if you use the shift key right after powering on?
[20:27] <sara> too less intuitive but works.
[20:27] <mactrent> sara: Yes, it's weird.  You may also notice that 'Hibernate' only ever shows up in that pop-up, and only if properly configured.   That had me stumped, too.  :P
[20:27] <Beryl> Anyone know an ISO mounting utility that can mount pretty much anything? I ripped my games and some refuse to mount via CLI, but work fine in windows, hmmm
[20:27] <cfhowlett> !es|jorgem,
[20:28] <ikonia> Beryl: mount will work with any valid iso
[20:28] <jorgem> ok, sorry :)
[20:28] <bekks> Beryl: that utility is called "mount".
[20:28] <kongthap> Beldar, i got grub menu, but there was no loader for sda1
[20:28] <OerHeks> Beldar, did he post a 'fdisk -l' ?
[20:28] <sara> mactrent, just erased that posibility. got a SSD drive and looks like it's not recommended to suspend
[20:28] <Beldar> OerHeks, WE got a bootscript http://paste.ubuntu.com/7097373/
[20:28] <sara> or hibernate
[20:28] <kongthap> Beldar, should i try to hold shift key while booting ?
[20:29] <Izaya`Orihara> Question
[20:29] <tozen> Izaya`Orihara: Answer
[20:29] <sara> cfhowlett, google translate will help if you want to read spanish ;)
[20:29] <mactrent> sara, Alright.  Best of luck with Xubuntu!
[20:29] <Beldar> kongthap, No you get the grub menu sda1 is windows sda2 is ubuntu, do you see ubuntu in that menu?
[20:29] <sara> mactrent, thanks!
[20:30] <Izaya> Has anyone here used YUMI sto setup Ubuntu 13.10 or greater?
[20:30] <kongthap> Beldar, i saw ubuntu on the menu
[20:30] <mactrent> Izaya: I have.  It appears to make some customizations.
[20:31] <Beldar> kongthap, Can you boot to ubuntu or windows from the grub menu?
[20:31] <kongthap> Beldar, i only can boot to ubuntu (right now i'm on ubuntu)
[20:32] <Izaya> mactrent: have you ever experienced it showing the boot option, showing the splash screen, and then going black (with backlighting)???
[20:32] <jorgem> hi, does someone know how can i change the size of the icons that are on the right upper side of the screen? i use GNOME interface. Thanks you! :)
[20:32] <Izaya> I've heard adding nomodeset before the -- in the grub.cfg helps
[20:32] <kongthap> Beldar, i cannot boot into windows because i cannot see choice to boot to windows,
[20:32] <Beldar> kongthap, Run sudo update-grub to update grub. So this is windows is not booting from grub?
[20:33] <Beldar> kongthap, do the sudo up0date-grub in ubuntu and reboot and see if windows is availabke.
[20:33] <kongthap> Beldar, open the terminal and sudo update-grub now?
[20:33] <kongthap> Beldar, ok
[20:33] <Beldar> kongthap, In the ubuntu install yes, then reboot and see if windows boots from the grub menu.
[20:34] <mactrent> Izaya: That depends.  It does go black when it's booting Ubuntu, but are there leftovers of the menu or something?
[20:34] <Izaya> negative
[20:34] <kongthap> Beldar, i did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7097731/
[20:34] <Izaya> usually it doesn't even get to the menu
[20:34] <Izaya> mactrent: usually it won't get to the menu at all.
[20:35] <Beldar> kongthap, Looks good windows is showing, reboot to the grub menu and see if windows boots.
[20:35] <mactrent> Izaya: Usually?  Is there anything at all on the screen when it doesn't?
[20:36] <Izaya> mactrent: on occassion it seems to get to the "use live" or "install" but not always
[20:37] <Beryl> I wish ubuntu had a comercial version, no BS stuff like amazon, with online file storage syncing
[20:37] <Beldar> Beryl, That can be removed and shutoff easily.
[20:38] <mactrent> Izaya: How old is this USB drive?  I'd suspect corruption.  The other thing to try is booting on another computer.
[20:38] <Beryl> Beldar: Ya but you'd think Canonical would have a commercial version to rake in some money
[20:39] <Beldar> Beryl, Don't follow a confirmation bias road, your just repeating others opinions without any solid research.
[20:39] <mdelgado> Where is a great place/resource to learn more about Linux.
[20:39] <willvarfar> I have a big, old old old codebase using CVS and a custom python build script.  But there's a lot of c++0x in there.  What IDEs can load a project from CVS (or git), code-completion *without* being in charge of the compile step?
[20:39] <Beryl> Beldar: Key words: Repeating others opinions, there's demand and they ignore it, and are losing money
[20:39] <cfhowlett> mdel, ibm.com has an entire linux course
[20:39] <mdelgado> cfhow, Do you know if its free?
[20:39] <cfhowlett> mdelgado, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-map/
[20:39] <mdelgado> cfhow, Awesome thanks.
[20:40] <kongthap> Beldar, i got dual boot now :)
[20:41] <OerHeks> kongthap, awesome, have fun :-)
[20:41] <cfhowlett> mdelgado, if not currently free, it will be soon according to recent news story
[20:41] <mdelgado> cfhow, oh. ok I'll keep an eye on it.
[20:41] <kongthap> OerHeks, thanks :)
[20:41] <cfhowlett> !cookie|Beldar,
[20:41] <Izaya`Orihara> sorry about that
[20:41] <Izaya> sorry about that
[20:41] <Beldar> kongthap, Cool, we just had some miscommunication is all, I saw you were probably getting grub, and should of stuck with that.
[20:42] <kongthap> Beldar, sorry about confused info from me :)
[20:42] <mdelgado> I have found learning Linux OS/Servers so much more interesting that Windows based oses.
[20:42] <Beryl> mdelgado: linux really shines with servers where you want complete control over the system.
[20:43] <Beldar> kongthap, It happens with all of us, no biggie, I was just concerned in the end you get going. So remember that update-grub command is all it rebuilds the grub menu when needed or after any changes made.
[20:43] <kongthap> Beldar, in the other days, i couldn't boot into windows7 after ubuntu installation but i used to use like "sudo grub-install xxx" i was working, i also did the same as last time but it's not working
[20:44] <mdelgado> It sure does. Just so much freedom. The CLI has also given me the desire/motivation to learn even more. Just limitless.
[20:45] <Beldar> kongthap, When I dual boot I do a manual install from the something other option on the install gui. I then make sure my install goes to a specific partition, and that grub goes to the mbr is all.
[20:46] <mdelgado> What type of job oppertunities are available to professionals who have certs in Linux?
[20:46] <Beryl> mdelgado: Running the internet.
[20:46] <mdelgado> Are they limited to larger environments?
[20:46] <kongthap> Beldar, next time may be i just use boot-repair, then sudo update-grub, this should be the easiest for beginner like me
[20:46] <sara> ok everydoby. Time to make some dinner.
[20:47] <sara> thanks for all and Hae a lot od Fun!
[20:47] <Beryl> mdelgado: Medium-Large typically, although a lot do contract for smalller companies
[20:48] <Beldar> kongthap, It looked from the bootinfo summary that all you did wrong in the install was to have grub put in the ubuntu partition sda2 here, rather than the mbr just sda, just a guess though but based on extra booting files in ubuntu.
[20:49] <mdelgado> Beryl, I think it would be a great career decison to make Linux a specialty of mine.
[20:49] <mdelgado> THanks.
[20:50] <Beldar> mdelgado, Sure, however off topic here is all.
[20:51] <Beldar> mdelgado,  try  #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:53] <kongthap> Beldar, i did "grub-install /dev/sda --boot-directory=/mnt" you guess it should be *sda2* instead of *sda* right ?
[20:54] <OerHeks> no, sda is correct
[20:55] <ttyS1> How can I remove a user from being listed by the GDM3 greeter / login screen ?  I edited /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and enabled:   IncludeAll = false Include = user   but the user still shows in the login screen
[20:55] <Beldar> kongthap, I Like this link, it has a cool chroot command slightly different than the standard, sometimes a chroot is needed is all. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot   The commands you just showed work most of the time if correct, but at times a chroot is needed.
[20:56] <kongthap> Beldar, ok i will try to understand from it :)
[20:56] <MrSavage> how do i restart my eth0?
[20:57] <MrSavage> service networking restart says that it doesn't know stop and start
[20:57] <MrSavage> and i get an error for /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:57] <bazhang> ifup/ifdown
[21:00] <Ambu> cok
[21:01] <BTDhero> Hi again :D
[21:01] <BTDhero> anybody online ?
[21:02] <mactrent> BTDhero: Absolutely.
[21:02] <BTDhero> I could use some help
[21:02] <mactrent> I'll see what I can do.
[21:02] <BTDhero> I have the latest version of ubuntu installed on my Dell Inspiron 1501
[21:02] <cfhowlett> !details|BTDhero,
[21:02] <BTDhero> And I can't start ubuntu :(
[21:03] <mactrent> BTDhero: Now, is this a dual-boot setup?
[21:03] <BTDhero> my video driver cracked and I keep getting that message that it will try to run in low-graphics mode, but it won't start anyway
[21:03] <BTDhero> nope, ubuntu only on the laptop
[21:03] <BTDhero> I am now online on my PC
[21:04] <mactrent> BTDhero: Ok, so what does it do when it won't start, even in low graphics mode?  Does it reboot the computer, or just sit there?
[21:04] <BTDhero> it just sits there ...
[21:05] <BTDhero> I have several options in a litttle menu, but none works
[21:06] <OerHeks> BTDhero, ATI x1150 right? should work with the standard driver AFAIK
[21:07] <BTDhero> I guess so. I tried to install some ATI software from Ubuntu Software Center.
[21:07] <BTDhero> It worked before
[21:08] <BTDhero> RefreshL it worked when I installed Ubuntu 13, it stopped working after installing that software
[21:08] <bekks> and now you are using which ubuntu?
[21:09] <mactrent> OerHecks: Are you thinking Live CD->chroot->dpkg/apt-get remove?
[21:09] <BTDhero> on the laptop I have the latest version, downloaded last night
[21:09] <bekks> BTDhero: the latest version is 13.10
[21:09] <BTDhero> that one, most probably
[21:09] <bekks> BTDhero: And which version are you on?
[21:09] <bekks> BTDhero: Please check it, using "lsb_release -a"
[21:10] <BTDhero> ok, I should open a terminal for that command ...
[21:11] <mactrent> BTDhero, do you still have your Live CD handy?
[21:11] <BTDhero> yeap
[21:12] <mactrent> There may be a better solution, but I'd recommend (and I can walk you through) booting to the Live CD, then uninstalling said ATI driver package.
[21:12] <bekks> that can be done in recovery mode, too.
[21:13] <mactrent> Gotcha.
[21:13] <BTDhero> I tried some things in recovery mode today,  but nothing worked
[21:13] <BTDhero> I could try to boot the Live CD
[21:14] <bekks> BTDhero: Define "some things". Did you uninstall the driver in question?
[21:14] <mactrent> If you can get to recovery mode, the Live CD may not help.  What did you try from recover mode?
[21:14] <BTDhero> nope, I tried to reinstall some older drivers, found some commands on ubuntuask forums
[21:15] <BTDhero> so .. sudo apt-get install fglrx
[21:15] <bekks> BTDhero: Then you should uninstall that driver. Instead of trying to install it again.
[21:16] <BTDhero> I should indeed, how could I do that ?
[21:16] <bekks> sudo apt-get purge fglrx
[21:16] <BTDhero> I also tried failsafeX, from recoverymenu
[21:17] <BTDhero> bekks: should I enter that command in a terminal?
[21:17] <bekks> BTDhero: You should enter that command in recovery mode.
[21:18] <bekks> BTDhero: At least that was suggested - to remove the broken driver.
[21:18] <BTDhero> ok, I am currently booting my live CD... can I enter recovery mode form over here, or should I restart and enter GRUB ?
[21:19] <bekks> BTDhero: There is no recovery mode on the live cd.
[21:19] <BTDhero> ah, ok I will eject the disk and restart then
[21:22] <BTDhero> so: W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[21:22] <bekks> BTDhero: You have to mount that filesystem read/write.
[21:23] <BTDhero> and how can I do that ?
[21:23] <bekks> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:23] <bekks> Replace / with the path where the filesystem in question is mounted.
[21:23] <Izaya> sooooooooooo yeah that was fun
[21:24] <Izaya> accidentally formatted my Ubuntu boot after hopping to my windows boot to allocate more drive space
[21:24] <Izaya> and then killed my grub file, had to totally reinstall windows. Deleted my whole partition in the process when it decided to install :-\
[21:24] <bekks> Izaya: Time for restoring the backup.
[21:24] <Izaya> lol... I lived dangerously bekks
[21:24] <Izaya> ... too dangerously. Luckily anything worth keeping was on my Dropbox anyway
[21:24] <Izaya> everything else was fluff.
[21:25] <Izaya> but now that I've made that mistake
[21:25] <Izaya> I'm setting up a windows backup right now :-\ and partitioned out my drives the away I want so that going forward
[21:25] <Izaya> I'll have a ton of space
[21:27] <char> hello
[21:27] <BTDhero> hi
[21:28] <char> just looking about
[21:28] <char> when i ask for a list of channels nothing shows
[21:28] <BTDhero> bekks: you got me, which filesystem do you mean ?
[21:28] <OerHeks> !alis
[21:29] <bekks> BTDhero: the filesystem of your system, which is mounted in recovery mode,
[21:29] <BTDhero> bekks: namely? :-S
[21:29] <bekks> BTDhero: The recovery mode asked wether you want to mount it readonly and it told you where it was mounted to.
[21:31] <brainburger> hello - is this a good place to ask for help installign java?
[21:32] <BTDhero> lolz, I guess I got it.
[21:32] <bekks> !jdk | brainburger
[21:32] <bekks> !java | brainburger
[21:33] <brainburger> thansk (Are you a bot?) I'll read that.
[21:33] <BTDhero> bekks: I believe it worked, should I restart now ?
[21:34] <toshiba_> hi
[21:34] <bekks> BTDhero: yeah.
[21:34] <toshiba_> speaking spanish??
[21:34] <bekks> !es | toshiba_
[21:35] <char> seems i need to do more reading before I attempt this
[21:36] <toshiba_> ok
[21:36] <BTDhero> thanks, bekks , it started :D
[21:37] <BTDhero> it runs pretty awful though... I am asked if I want to do 'additional debugging work' :-S
[21:37] <bekks> BTDhero: Why ":-S" - cant you answer that question yourself?
[21:38] <BTDhero> well I am currenlty trying to remove that ATI software that I installed
[21:39] <bekks> BTDhero: Which you said that you did remove it.
[21:39] <bekks> BTDhero: So that question is to be answered with "yes" or "no".
[21:41] <BTDhero> Indeed, it is not here anymore. But the windows are moving pretty laggy around, so I guess I should fix that
[21:41] <BTDhero> And that question has a lot of answers, lol
[21:42] <BTDhero> Namely: I don't know, No, I just need to know  a workaround, Yes, if not too technical, Yes, Yes including running git bitsection searches
[21:43] <bekks> BTDhero: Yes, you do know. Yes, you removed the driver you wanted to remove. No, that was all to do. No, there is nothing more to do.
[21:45] <BTDhero> ok, I guess I'll just try to experiment more woth the drivers. And really now, I mean it,  those are all the options which I can choose to answer. thanks a lot for the help :D
[21:45] <OerHeks> ati x1150 is too old for unity 3d, as 2d desktop is removed, i think you better try xubuntu
[21:46] <bekks> BTDhero: you dont have to experiment. That card is just too old.
[21:48] <BTDhero> oh, so I'll just have to get used to it
[21:49] <delsouz> hi
[21:49] <delsouz> hi
[21:49] <mactrent> Hello.
[21:50] <delsouz> female chat
[21:55] <entreri_> hey there, I'm looking for a Windows Command Prompt simulator for Linux, any idea ?
[21:56] <entreri_> There is Cygwin, which is a Linux command-line simulator for Windows... but I can't find the opposite
[21:56] <bekks> entreri_: cygwin is not a simulator :)
[21:56] <bekks> entreri_: the most easy way would be to install windows in a vm.
[21:57] <Deihmos> about to try ubuntu out. have not tried it in a while now the last time it felt so sluggish compared to windows
[21:58] <entreri_> Cygwin is a Linux command-line simulator for Windows, that means that if you do the command "ls /home/of/user", in reality, it's going to do "DIR C:\Home\User", that's what I understand of it
[21:58] <entreri_> bekks:
[21:58] <KillerWalrus> hi all
[21:58] <k1l> Deihmos: for chitchat please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: xubuntu and lubuntunaim to be airy and light
[21:58] <KillerWalrus> so I'm getting grub2 rescue mode on Ubuntu 13.10 GNOME - done the following:
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Lubuntu aim*
[21:58] <KillerWalrus> set root, set prefix, insmod, normal, -> boots as normal -> update-grub, reboot
[21:58] <Deihmos> this is on an i7 laptop
[21:58] <bekks> entreri_: cygwin is a large collection of GNU and Open Source tools which provide functionality similar to a Linux distribution on Windows.
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> KillerWalrus: id boot to live cd and reinstate grub using a chroot
[21:59] <KillerWalrus> set root, set prefix, insmod, normal-> boots as normal -> apt-get purge grub-common, reinstall, reboot -> and rescue mode again
[21:59] <bekks> entreri_: but to answer your question again, I never heard of a windows command line emulator for linux.
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: its about ram use, not cpu. You could have an i7 but with 512Mb RAM
[21:59] <Deihmos> 8gb ram
[22:00] <KillerWalrus> ActionParsnip: shouldn't apt-get purge grub-common have done that? Anyways, it's complaining about a device not found, but I can't find any trace of that UUID in /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /etc/default/grub or in blkid
[22:00] <Deihmos> the ui felt sluggish. graphics was up to date
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: then you have far above the min requirements. Should be ok as long as you dont have that optimus garbage
[22:00] <Deihmos> anyway about to try it out again. this laptop is i7 12gb ram
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> KillerWalrus: the chroot may help. OmgUbuntu has a guide called: sticking it to Grub
[22:01] <KillerWalrus> cool, I'll tr
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: earlier you said 8Gb, now 12Gb.....
[22:02] <Deihmos> the pc i had at that time had 8gb
[22:02] <Deihmos> i more think the sluggish performance had to do with the ui than anything else
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: ahhh I see. Is the system you are using have an Optimus based GPU (Intel and Nvidia)?
[22:03] <Deihmos> the one i have new has intel anf nvidia. the one i had before was amd and intel
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: that can be a headache, the nvidia+optimus is getting better though
[22:04] <puff> I have an ubuntu install, I installed centos on a separate partition, it appears that centos overwrote the MBR so now it only boots into centos.
[22:04] <bekks> !grub2 | puff
[22:05] <puff> bekks: Thanks.
[22:07] <puff> bekks: So, this is for after windows kills the MBR, obviously centos is similar, any idea exactly what boot-repair/grub-install is going to do?
[22:07] <Beldar> puff, When you get the ubuntu grub back, I believe centos is one of the few OS's that need to be mounted for grub 2 to see it with a grub-update as well.
[22:07] <puff> Beldar: Ah, thanks, but can you expand on that a bit?
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> Beldar: grub2 is grub2 so will work the same in any distro
[22:08] <puff> Beldar: Taking a stab in the dark, are you saying a) boot-repair, b) boot into ubuntu, c) manually mount the centos partition, d) use grub-udpate to add centos to the grub2 setup?
[22:09] <rd_> someone can help me??
[22:09] <Beldar> puff, Grub 2 has the os-prober, it finds other OS's, normally not needing to be mounted to be found and added to the grub menu. Centos if I remember, may be another OS that needed to be mounted.
[22:09] <rd_> help me please???
[22:09] <bekks> !ask | rd_
[22:09] <rd_> its about a plugin . exe for firefox
[22:09] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, I know grub 2 should see all OS technically, I just recall centos as possibly having this quirk.
[22:10] <rd_> alguem fala português??
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> !pt
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Beldar: then its a bug. Grub2 will point to a partition and load the kernel. Grub doesnt mount partitions
[22:13] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, Really just heads up info, in case the grub-update does not see centos, but yeah something seemed amiss at the time.
[22:13] <puff> Beldar: Again, thanks. I'm waiting for yum update to complete before I reboot and etc.  Is there recommended reading on this?
[22:15] <Beldar> puff, If you want ubuntu to have the grub control the bootrepair app should fix this and make a bootinfo summary to use. Or a reload of the mbr from a live ubuntu cd.
[22:15] <drscoops> An uncaught exception was raised:
[22:15] <drscoops> [Errno 5] Input/output error
[22:15] <drscoops> what does that mean
[22:15] <KillerWalrus> ActionParsnip: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video done, unfortunately it still results in rescue mode
[22:15] <KillerWalrus> however, if I do set prefix=(hd1,msdos1)/boot/grub
[22:15] <kcdehimposter> Hey guys could you help me out? I just built a new computer with a Radeon HD 7870 2gb, but it doesn't seem to be going as fast as it should be, I tested out Minecraft and I am playing with only 40 fps :(
[22:15] <KillerWalrus> then insmod normal and normal, it boots immediately
[22:16] <Slart> kcdehimposter: minecraft is a
[22:16] <Beldar> puff, Centos, I think is grub legacy, you could add ubuntu to it. I never messed with grub legacy, but others here have.
[22:16] <Slart> kcdehimposter: minecraft is not a good benchmark... it's weird in many ways
[22:17] <Slart> kcdehimposter: you can always try switching between binary/proprietary drivers and open source drivers.. see if it makes a difference
[22:17] <puff> Beldar: I can't think of any problem with having ubuntu/grub2 be in charge of everything.
[22:18] <kcdehimposter> Is there anything else to test? The other problem I was having was when I load up a steam game, it will launch, but when I go into the actual game it closes itself down.
[22:18] <puff> Beldar: When you say "You could add ubuntu to it" do you mean having grub legacy handle booting into ubuntu?
[22:18] <Slart> !radeon | kcdehimposter
[22:18] <Slart> kcdehimposter: any error messages?
[22:18] <kcdehimposter> None, just closes down and goes to desktop
[22:18] <drscoops> An uncaught exception was raised:
[22:18] <drscoops> [Errno 5] Input/output error
[22:18] <kcdehimposter> I have down it with Garry's Mod and TF2
[22:18] <Beldar> puff, Yeah, legacy, I believe did not have a auto update to add OS's.
[22:19] <dartlunk> 38 countries it looks like
[22:19] <Slart> kcdehimposter: I'm pretty sure there are error messages.. try running the game from a terminal and see what you get
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> kcdehimposter: i'd ask in #ubuntu-steam
[22:19] <dartlunk> i wonder what it is for canada
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> kcdehimposter: there is a steam channel
[22:19] <dartlunk> people like to think canada is better, but as far as people entering the country canada is typically more strict overall actually
[22:19] <kcdehimposter> Okay thanks
[22:19] <Slart> kcdehimposter: good suggestion from ActionParsnip.. they might have better suggestions when it comes to gaming on ubuntu
[22:19] <dartlunk> and for good reason. canada doesnt watn wish wash coming into their country
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> dartlunk: how is this Ubuntu support related?
[22:20] <dartlunk> oops
[22:20] <dartlunk> wrong channel lol
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> dartlunk: yep
[22:20] <Beldar> puff, Did you look at the original boot grub 2 links, there you will see the bootrepair app, and links to doing this manually from a live cd.
[22:20] <puff> Beldar: Yeah, I'm reading those.  They don't mention grub-update.
[22:20] <puff> Beldar: Ah, that may be because it's update-grub.
[22:21] <Beldar> puff, Heh, sorry, I switched the syntax from the command, my apology.
[22:22] <puff> Is grub2 going to be comfortable invoking grub 1 on centos?
[22:22] <Beldar> without intending to, Doh
[22:23] <puff> Somebody on #centos suggests installing grub to the centos /boot partition instead of the MBR.
[22:24] <Beldar> puff, Is this a boot partition you had for ubuntu as well, or one made by centos? Are there any other OS's here?
[22:25] <puff> Beldar: Just ubuntu and centos.
[22:25] <puff> Beldar: It's the /boot partition that centos created.
[22:26] <Beldar> puff, Ah, I have never had a boot partition, I use the mbr always. Others here can help on this, knowing the otions.
[22:26] <Beldar> options*
[22:30] <puff> Beldar: Thanks.
[22:31] <kcdehimposter> Hey guys, which driver should I be using for my Radeon HD 7870 2gb? There is an open source one and 2 propietary
[22:31] <Beldar> puff, My guess is that you could reload the mbr with ubuntu grub and it will read the centos boot, or even use that boot partition with ubuntu's grub. I just don't know how centos has tweaked grub....etc, or at least I'm concerned on that.
[22:47] <cloneG> hello I am using ubuntu on a quad core...but when working on blender one core reaches 100% cpu usage while the rest remain about 10% could it be possible to balance usage between cores to prevent blender from hanging? in the other hand the system keeps working
[22:49] <Joozey> For me one core is 75%, the rest 10 or lower
[22:49] <Slart> cloneG: I would be surprised if blender didn't have some kind of support for multi-threading.. you've looked through all the settings?
[22:51] <Joozey> one core is stable at 75%, if I rotate the view around another core jumps from 10 to 20%, so it seems to be multithreading
[22:52] <OSaucey> Hey. I was here the other day about trouble with audio. I can now adjust the levels using alsamixer but the audio icon in the upper menubar does not work, all the options are grayed out and no devices are showing up.  pulseaudio --start   causes some options show up, but only for the dummy output. Ideas on how to get my sound card to show up and why pulseaudio isn't starting on login?
[23:05] <cloneG> Slart must multi-threading be configured????
[23:07] <Slart> cloneG: I have no idea but there might be an option somewhere.. sometimes multi-threading has its own disadvantages so it might not be enabled by default.. there might also be a configuration for multithreading when rendering and one setting for the gui.. it's quite possible the gui isn't multithreaded at all since the heavy lifting is usually done during the rendering phase
[23:07] <cloneG> wise thoughts
[23:08] <cloneG> I think I ll ask at blender irc
[23:10] <alex80ks> hello
[23:14] <alex80ks> Does anybody know why on Ubunty 12.04 always get error when installing some package but it almost always packages are installed corectly?
[23:16] <elb0w> so I have a 8.2 macbook pro. I was running 13.04. I did a dist-upgrade and when I rebooted it after grub I see rom not supported and cant get passed that. I used to set some outb and i915 settings in the grub launch command. I cannot seem to find those in the macbookpro docs anymore. Anyone have any thoughts?
[23:17] <thom_> hello all
[23:17] <Beldar> elb0w, In grub e=edit for the kernel.
[23:18] <jillsmitt> how can i enable acpi support in ubuntu server 12.04?
[23:18] <elb0w> Beldar: yes
[23:18] <elb0w> Beldar: I cant find the commands I used to enter, they used to be on the ubuntu docs
[23:19] <elb0w> aaaaaaand I just found them
[23:19] <elb0w> :D
[23:19] <Beldar> elb0w, The i915 looks familiar as a general command IE hardware bound, I don't know what "outb" is
[23:19] <elb0w> Beldar: in the grub edit mode is there a way to insert a tab instead of space space space space space space space
[23:20] <Beldar> elb0w, Not sure what you mean with "tab instead of space space..etc"
[23:21] <elb0w> Beldar: like to move the cursor 4 spaces in one key press
[23:21] <Beldar> elb0w, Heh, never worried about that, so no answer on that.
[23:22] <elb0w> Beldar: np https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Raring
[23:22] <elb0w> this was the docs
[23:22] <elb0w> I needed
[23:22] <elb0w> if you were curious
[23:22] <elb0w> working now
[23:22] <elb0w> woo
[23:24] <Beldar> elb0w, That is about as close to a apple computer I have come, just never owned one is all
[23:25] <jakey1> is there a piece of software that can compare to code files and tell you the difference of contentbetween them
[23:25] <jakey1> or something online?
[23:25] <elb0w> Beldar: Honestly I bought it because the rendering of the fonts in mac is awesome
[23:25] <elb0w> Beldar: but I ended up just dual booting ubuntu on it
[23:26] <RobDude> jakey1:  Do you want a GUI or console based diff?  There are quite a few
[23:26] <Beldar> elb0w, Good OS and would use if I had one.
[23:26] <elb0w> Beldar: I plan to get the new microsoft surface 3 when it comes out to put ubuntu on it
[23:26] <jakey1> RobDude: I think i find one online thanks
[23:26] <Beldar> use what feeds your needs. ;)
[23:26] <jhutchins> jakey1: In fact, this is how code patches are usually created.
[23:26] <RobDude> jakey1:  Cool - good luck!
[23:27] <jhutchins> jakey1: gnu diff can produce a standardized format that can be imported to existing code.
[23:27] <jakey1> thanks
[23:28] <RobDude> Sigh - if I'd started on my homework instead of installing Linux (again) I'd probably be done by now :)  I still don't know what I'm doing, but this is getting addictive
[23:34] <RobDude> If I test a version of Ubuntu inside a virtualbox and decide 'Wow, this is great' is there any way to 'export' the virtual hard-drive into a real hard-drive - or is it better to just install it and redo any customization
[23:35] <RobDude> I tried to Google it, but my google-fu is weak, apparently
[23:35] <evilbug> so i set up a portable ubuntu system on a flash drive and i'm having issues with having ubuntu automatically reading the networking interface. i see there's an available eth1 but how would i make that default? ubuntu server 12.04
[23:36] <Beldar> RobDude, Can be done, but not for the timid is all. You could make a dpkg of apps installed and any repos and keys that are extra and reload the basic install in another.
[23:37] <RobDude> Beldar:  Thanks.  I had a feeling it wouldn't be straight-forward.  I'll just reinstall and tackle that another day
[23:38] <jillsmitt> temp1 in acpitz-virtual-0 always show 8.3 C
[23:38] <jillsmitt> how to solve this?
[23:38] <RobDude> Yuck - I used 'cat' to read a file, but it wasn't a text file (it's binary/unreadable) but it seems to have broken my terminal.  My prompt has junk in it and if I do 'ls' I'm getting a bunch of weird symbols.  Can I fix it without exiting/closing the window?
[23:39] <david38400> my sound has just disappeared. Can anyone help fix please?
[23:39] <Beldar> !sound | david38400
[23:40] <david38400> Beldar, I have been listening to music on my bluetooth speaker and all of a sudden no sound at all
[23:41] <jasabella> hi
[23:41] <angrycoast> hi
[23:42] <Beldar> david38400, Bummer, I never use bluetooth so no real help here.
[23:42] <david38400> thanks everyone
[23:42] <saif_forge> I'm currently using i3. Anyone know how I could switch user without logging out (like lxde)
[23:43] <evilbug> ok, in /etc/networking/interfaces is it possible to make it so that that i'd throw a bunch of eth possible entries and have ubuntu atuomatically scan which one works at startup?>
[23:44] <pdo_fn14> Anyone know method to mount device without sudoers password?
[23:47] <saif_forge> anyone in here know how to do anything?
[23:52] <Geo> Is it possible to run two SMTP servers w/ internet access behind a single NAT?
[23:54] <RobDude> Geo:  I'm assuming you want them both on the same port, right?
[23:54] <ejuan> Geo, you just need to set them to run on different ports
[23:55] <RobDude> Er yeah - if they are on different ports - you shouldn't have to do anything special at all
[23:56] <rww> going to run in to all sorts of fun in this scenario
[23:56] <rww> if you're sending outgoing mail, you're going to have issues with spam filters. if you're receiving mail, other SMTP servers will be expecting you to be on the well-known port
[23:57] <Geo> I guess the clients would have to be told not to use port 25
[23:57] <charco> Hi! I'm a bit stucked in trying to install ubuntu with raid0. Can anyone give me some advice? (I've read hundreds of tutorials and have some doubts that doesn't seem to be addressed in anyone of them :/)
[23:57] <Geo> and for incoming, pop would be used... i'll cross that bridge when I get to it I guess
[23:57] <rww> are you planning on not sending mail outside your local mailserver ever?
[23:58] <Geo> No, it needs internet access
[23:58] <rww> okay, then I'm not sure why you think incoming mail would use POP. Other SMTP servers would be using SMTP to talk to your SMTP server
[23:58] <rww> and clients should be using 587 anyway, btw
[23:58] <Geo> incoming mail to the user... ie, retrieving mail
[23:59] <rww> and if you're sending mail to other SMTP servers, again, you are going to run into spam filtering hell
[23:59] <rww> retrieving mail isn't within the purview of an SMTP server :P
[23:59] <RobDude> pdo_fn14:  I think you can add it to your fstab with the 'noauto' flag.  Then you can mount it without sudo
[23:59] <Geo> thats why i said i'll cross that bridge when I get to it
[23:59] <charco> I want to install ubuntu and then install windows, efi, raid0. I've set up BIOS raid, but somehow I can't access to the raid setup utility (which other systems seem to have with CTRL I or something like that).
[23:59] <rww> and I'm guessing that NAT and lack of SMTP experience implies you're trying to run this off a residential connection or something, in which case... further spam filter hell


[18:18] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:10] <olly> morning
[19:31] <ajmitch> morning
[19:32] <kcj> Morning.
[19:32] <kcj> How are we all?
[19:36] <ajmitch> trying hard to see my screen, the days are getting shorter
[19:52] <kcj> Yeah.
[21:06] <hads> morning


[00:02] <phillw> kiwitinker: there is a blog on battery life that includes your model at http://topten.over-blog.com/article-33470575.html but I would suggest getting in touch with the laptop team via that link, or having a read of the dell forum area at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342
[00:03] <semitones> 'ello
[00:03] <phillw> kiwitinker: possibly the dell area may be the best to start with :)
[00:04] <phillw> !ask | semitones
[00:04] <semitones> hey phillw, I'm just hanging out for now :)
[00:06] <kiwitinker> by the way this laptop is very old and does not support later versions of  lubuntu
[00:06] <phillw> semitones: that's no problem, but we do have also have an area to say "Hi" and discuss life in general... #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:06] <semitones> ah, sign me up then !
[00:06] <phillw> semitones: issue the command
[00:07] <kiwitinker> so is it not simply a case of trying a powermanagement program other than xfce?
[00:07] <phillw> semitones:  /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[00:08] <semitones> sorry, I'm already there :P, sign me up is just a silly affectation
[00:09] <phillw> kiwitinker: acpi may not be supported in the recent kernels. rolling back to your machine, try lubuntu 12.04, and if that fails... roll back to 10.04 - Once we have a system that works, it can possibly move forward.
[00:10] <phillw> acpi is a pain to debug, and the laptop team would be best to help, once there is a stable system on there :)
[00:10] <kiwitinker> I'm on 12.04 now
[00:13] <phillw> kiwitinker: then ask the laptop team if your make and model is supported. It could well be you need a BIOS upgrade from Dell. I am not the best qualified person to deal with the issue, Dell do have decent support with linux, so there could well be an easy solution for you to add to your laptop and everything will work..... So.... Go and ask :D
[00:13] <kiwitinker> problem is I have already invested days in getting to this stage of a linux system, I have no time left now, unfortunately auto screen turn off is a major priority as this laptop will be on 24 hrs a day and was bought for the purpose of using as little electricity as can
[00:14] <phillw> kiwitinker: if you cannot turn the screen off, it is an acpi issue. I cannot solve them, the dell support forum can.
[00:14] <kiwitinker> yeah don't hold much hope of that with such an old laptop, google brings up nothing
[00:15] <kiwitinker> it does turn off sometimes, it is just very unreliable
[00:15] <phillw> kiwitinker: you have little faith in hoe dogged those guys are :P
[00:15] <phillw> s/hoe/how
[00:15] <kiwitinker> if this laptop is not supported by 12.04 then it never will be I would think
[00:17] <kiwitinker> I still did not get an answer to my question, can I install a different power management program other than the default xfce?
[00:17] <phillw> kiwitinker: when your laptop was made, did google actually exisit? Only joking..... You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by asking the guys (and gals) on the dell area of ubuntu forum.
[00:17] <kiwitinker> ok
[00:18] <kiwitinker> I was using google in the early 90's
[00:18] <phillw> kiwitinker: yeas you can, and no it will 99% not work, as the issue is not the power manager but instead acpi which is the part of the laptop that talks to it.
[00:19] <kiwitinker> still I would like to try
[00:19] <semitones> phillw, what is acpi, and why isn't it supported? I think my desktop at my parent's house uses it
[00:19] <phillw> kiwitinker: then install lubuntu 10.04 onto it.
[00:20] <kiwitinker> can't start from scratch again, so can I not just install different power management and remove/disable xfce?
[00:20] <phillw> semitones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[00:20] <phillw> kiwitinker: ^^ read the link ^^
[00:21] <semitones> phillw, reading. As an aside -- my desktop has to boot using the no1apic boot option -- does trying to get bios upgrades help that situation?
[00:22] <kiwitinker> 10.04 will cause the machine to freeze when closing the lid
[00:24] <kiwitinker> I wonder if that might work for me semitone as it does behave like a conflict to me, sometimes working and sometimes not
[00:24] <phillw> semitones: kiwitinker ^^ read the link... If your system is not fully compliant, then it will not work fully. for once, every one (nearly) agreed. There *may* be BIOS updates and there may be 'patches' that you can use for certain makes and models of computers. BUT, if they are not ACPI compliant it is NOT the fault of linux.
[00:24] <semitones> phillw, I'm trying to understand -- do the newer kernels implement their own powersaving schemes rather than relying on apci?
[00:25] <semitones> do newer computers just not use acpi anymore?
[00:25] <kiwitinker> semitones, that is what I was wondering
[00:25] <phillw> semitones: all the kernels accept the full acpi standards, just that not all manufacturers follow them.
[00:26] <semitones> kiwitinker, you might want to try booting up with apci disabled -- I have no idea what your problem is, but if apci is the problem, it could very well help without having to install anything else
[00:27] <phillw> just like not all browsers support full accessibility standards (there were two conflicting ones last time I looked into it, just for reading out a table). The most wonderful thing about a standard?.... anyone can make one. Remember the fight with DVD-HD and BluRay? ... no? that's because BluRay won.
[00:28] <kiwitinker> thanks semitones, exactly how would i do that?
[00:28] <semitones> phillw, if all the kernels accept the full acpi standards, what do the newer kernels do differently?
[00:28] <semitones> kiwitinker, hold on, let me look it up. basically when you boot up, you edit the boot options directly from GRUB
[00:30] <semitones> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_the_CD.27s_Default_Boot_Options -- scroll down to the part about "common kernel options" -- the one you want to try is apci=off
[00:30] <semitones> when you're booting your system, interrupt GRUB before it boots, and follow the instructions there to add that boot option to the end of the boot command
[00:31] <semitones> if it works, you can configure GRUB to do it every time
[00:32] <kiwitinker> thanks, I remember seeing that option on the screen
[00:32] <phillw> semitones: there are different versions of acpi. Do you ever sit back and think... Jeeze, so many mobile (cell) phones and they all have different connectors to charge them? Inside, the battery is the same voltage. a standard Lithium battery, different capacities of charge it can hold. But to many different connectors.....
[00:33] <phillw> semitones: have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_External_Power_Supply and then wonder :D
[00:33] <semitones> there are a lot of different ways
[00:33] <semitones> whoa
[00:36] <phillw> semitones: but these are discussions to have on the off-topic area, I've taken acpi as far as I can on here.
[00:37] <semitones> alright
[00:59] <n-iCe> hello guys
[00:59] <n-iCe> Im on a lubuntu live cd, first time trying it
[00:59] <n-iCe> looks amazing
[01:01] <n-iCe> hi chalcedony
[01:01] <chalcedony> :)
[01:01] <n-iCe> how are you_
[01:01] <chalcedony> n-iCe, great!
[01:02] <n-iCe> I really like the desktop environment!
[01:02] <chalcedony> neat i'm glad
[01:02] <n-iCe> Im used to gnome, was wondering to run something faster, my laptop is fast enough to run gnome and a heavy desktop, but I was wondering why to run a big one when I can run a light desktop?
[01:02] <n-iCe> chalcedony: you use lubuntu as well?
[01:03] <chalcedony> n-iCe, can't remember why i joined here
[01:03] <n-iCe> lol
[01:03] <n-iCe> what os are you using?
[01:03] <chalcedony> debian / gnome
[01:04] <n-iCe> yeah, I'm used to Debian, for over 4 years
[01:04] <chalcedony> great!
[01:04] <n-iCe> But you know it is pretty old, they don't like to upgrade it a lot
[01:04] <chalcedony> i don't really like things that move
[01:04] <n-iCe> drivers seems to be running in ubuntu
[01:04] <n-iCe> yeah, they keep it pretty stable
[01:04] <chalcedony> no forced upgrades
[01:05] <n-iCe> that's true, Debian gnome, was using like 600MB at least of RAM memory
[01:05] <n-iCe> lubuntu is using 200MB
[01:05] <n-iCe> o.O
[01:06] <n-iCe> chalcedony: do you use chrome?
[01:07] <n-iCe> or firefox
[01:07] <chalcedony> wow that's a lot less
[01:07] <chalcedony> n-iCe, firefox
[01:07] <n-iCe> I see, I'm wondering the difference between chromium and google chrome
[01:07] <chalcedony> chromium is a chrome-like
[01:08] <n-iCe> can't find any difference
[01:09] <phillw> n-iCe: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[01:10] <n-iCe> awesome, thanks
[01:10] <n-iCe> So google chrome browser seems to be the best choice
[01:11] <n-iCe> phillw: how can I know the packages that fits with the lxde desktop
[01:11] <n-iCe> to avoid installing gnome/kde packages
[01:14] <semitones> alright! first impressions!
[01:14] <semitones> I love the new desktop wallpaper!
[01:14] <phillw> n-iCe: if you want metrics etc, which F/OSS dis-agree with etc. There is little difference. I use the bleeding edge chromium, as I'm a tester. As to "how to tell how much extra things a new applicaton will bring in" when you go to install it, it should tell you how much extra it wants.
[01:15] <semitones> phillw: sometimes I wonder how much those extra things matter
[01:15] <semitones> like if an application is going to install a bunch of libraries, do those make the computer slower
[01:15] <phillw> n-iCe: both sudo apt-get install and synaptic will tell you.
[01:16] <semitones> what do you look for in the list of thngs apt tells you it wants to install?
[01:16] <n-iCe> phillw: says like, brasero-lxde?
[01:16] <n-iCe> ok lubuntu was installed, need to reboot, brb
[01:16] <phillw> semitones: yes, if you install unity, you will bring in all the unity libraries, which will make one heck of a difference. If in doubt? ask on the mailing list :)
[01:17] <phillw> n-iCe: brassero is already installed?
[01:17] <n-iCe> no
[01:17] <n-iCe> xfburn I think
[01:19] <phillw> n-iCe: you are correct, sorry, my 12.10 has had that much tested on it, I do lose a bit a track, brassero does not pull in a load of extra stuff.
[01:20] <phillw> it just slightly heavier than xfburn, owing to the fact it can do 'more things'. It is fully compliant with lubuntu libraries and brings in just enough to make it function. (I use it as default, which is why I had to check).
[01:22] <n-iCe> which one you have as default? brasero?
[01:23] <phillw> n-iCe: i have a choice of either, i installed brasero because I needed a GUI to do some stuff that x-burn cannot.
[01:24] <phillw> you do not lose one, when you install the other :)
[01:24] <n-iCe> seems pretty similar to me
[01:26] <phillw> I have bluefish installed, not many people need it, but it did not ask to bring in a load of libraries that I did not already have installed for my LAMP installation. n-iCe remember, lubuntu can run anything ubuntu / kubuntu / xubuntu / edubuntu / myhtubuntu etc etc. can. It is just how much extra do you wish to add to your lubuntu system.... The more you add, the more the system takes up. :)
[01:27] <semitones> phillw: it would be really cool if there was a short list of common "do not let these things become installed" packages for keeping a fast system
[01:27] <semitones> You started it off: #1, Unity
[01:27] <semitones> Hey, hey
[01:27] <semitones> can we make a page on the wiki right now???
[01:27] <semitones> we can do this
[01:27] <n-iCe> #2 compiz
[01:27] <semitones> good one
[01:28] <semitones> #3, GTK?
[01:28] <Myrtti> because we all love ncurses
[01:28] <n-iCe> need to reboot, installation finished, hold on
[01:28] <semitones> hy Myritti :)
[01:28] <semitones> -i
[01:28] <phillw> semitones: you install unity, you have installed ubuntu... There is nothing wrong with having both. On my CentoOS system I have GNOME and KDE stuff. Linux is not about reducing choice, it is about expanding it.
[01:29] <Myrtti> I thought all lubuntu apps use gtk.
[01:29] <semitones> phillw: linux is not about reducing choice, but people can choose to restrict their software to the capabilities of their hardware. That's the point of lubuntu
[01:30] <semitones> Myrtti: i am bad at computers, sorry :p
[01:30] <semitones> I think it would be useful to have a list of common things to avoid installing if you want to keep your computer fast
[01:31] <phillw> semitones: then, when you go to install something and it says it wants to add 20+ things, say NO :) Then you can go and ask. That is what I do, and it works fine for me.
[01:31] <semitones> like I would try not to install kde apps, because starting the app would have to load all that kde stuff
[01:31] <phillw> semitones: I use kde apps, it is the libraries you need to watch out for :)
[01:31] <semitones> phillw: What I'm proposing is you take that list of 20 things, you look at the list of things to avoid, and then if you still have questions, then you ask
[01:32] <phillw> semitones: do you have any idea as to how many linux programmes there are?
[01:32] <phillw> n-iCe wb :)
[01:32] <n-iCe_> lubuntu is installed :)
[01:33] <semitones> how about a top 10 common packages to not install on lubuntu
[01:33] <n-iCe_> downloading 130MB of updates though
[01:33] <n-iCe_> why is it, if I'm downloading the last CD
[01:33] <phillw> n-iCe_: what version of lubuntu?
[01:33] <n-iCe_> 12.10
[01:34] <semitones> first impressions continued: I love the new icons!
[01:34] <phillw> there are SRU's going back as 13.04 comes to a close for a release.
[01:34] <phillw> n-iCe: this close, you should have been brave and grabbed 13.04 :P
[01:35] <n-iCe> Well I can wait for the stable release
[01:35] <semitones> But why are the Wifi networks listed in alphabetical order -- shouldn't they be listed in signal strength order?
[01:35] <n-iCe> phillw: If I install 13.04 will it automatically turn to stable?
[01:36] <phillw> semitones: nope, as signal strength could keep altering. all that is is a snap shot of what network manager found when it closed / slowed down your connection to find stuff :)
[01:37] <semitones> oh ok, that's fair
[01:38] <phillw> n-iCe: 13.04 testing will update to stable, also 12.10 will let you know when 13.04 is out. The newest artwork is on 13,04, though :D
[01:38] <n-iCe> where can I see that new artwork?
[01:39] <phillw> n-iCe: if you have 12.10 installed you can get it to then update to the 13.04 testing series.
[01:39] <n-iCe> does it worth it?
[01:40] <phillw> n-iCe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Raring/Box
[01:40] <n-iCe> lol
[01:40] <n-iCe> what changed?
[01:41] <phillw> n-iCe: you will also have the stuff the devs have been working on, so, yes as a desktop release it's worth it.
[01:42] <phillw> n-iCe: the complete switch to box, and a new set of wall papers as voted upon by the lubuntu community.
[01:44] <phillw> anyways good people, I'm heading for bed. enjoy lubuntu :)
[01:45] <n-iCe> thanks, good to know we have support here, nite.
[02:04] <semitones> Can you guys think of some other packages to avoid to keep lubuntu fast?
[02:04] <semitones> so far I have unity and compiz
[02:20] <n-iCe> question, how do I add icons to the panel?
[02:24] <semitones> n-iCe: good question -- that's kind of hard to do in lubuntu, somebody had to help me do it once and I forget how
[02:25] <n-iCe> found it
[02:25] <n-iCe> really easy
[02:26] <n-iCe> semitones: just click on any icon you have on the panel, and go to aps settings
[02:26] <n-iCe> and add from there
[02:30] <semitones> oh cool
[02:31] <semitones> so at first you have internet and file manager
[02:31] <semitones> and you just add whatever else you want
[02:32] <n-iCe> yup
[02:38] <semitones> phillw: this is the work in progress: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AvoidFatDependencies
[03:03] <Ludlow> Hola.
[03:04] <Ludlow> !nas
[03:04] <Ludlow> !how to mount a share drive
[03:04] <Ludlow> !mount
[03:05] <Ludlow> Hello. Does anyone know how to mount or see a NAS ?
[03:24] <k_sze[work]> Why does lubuntu have dedicated x86 and x64 images for Mac, whereas Xubuntu and Ubuntu don't seem to have such dedicated images?
[03:25] <holstein> k_sze[work]: i learned that the other day, and forgot... lemme see if i can find that... it wasnt all that special
[03:25] <holstein> k_sze[work]: iirc, this was related to the secure boot thing
[03:26] <k_sze[work]> like, working with Apple's outdated EFI implementation?
[03:28] <holstein> i was hearing the opposite.. but i cant find that page
[03:28] <holstein> k_sze[work]: whats the issue?
[03:28] <k_sze[work]> nothing. I'm just curious as to why.
[03:29] <k_sze[work]> I don't plan to install it via Bootcamp though. I think I'll just use VirtualBox.
[03:29] <holstein> Unit193: was it you talking about that?
[03:29] <Unit193> holstein: Pretty sure not me, I just know of PPC mac.
[03:31] <Unit193> (I have no idea.)
[06:52] <kewel> hello .. piii1ghz512mb lubuntu12.04 -- uninstalled chromium, and installed chrome .. does anyone know what's up with getting flash player to work?  much thx
[07:54] <javier_> Hi
[07:55] <javier_> I have got problems to automount my usb with Lubuntu 12.10, all functions in PCMan are activated, any known issues? Thank you
[08:36] <bytecounter> Hi @all
[08:38] <bytecounter> I need  any tip for booting from USB. I create an USB-Stick and add Grub 2. Now the system starts grub, but after select any entry, after a short time the system reboots. Also I tryed with any options, then the system say "Booting a command list" and after about 30 seconds (or 1 minute) the system goes to reboot - no messages
[08:40] <bytecounter> nobody here?
[11:58] <linuxdumb> I broke my flashdrive live install of lubuntu, with persistent enabled I had saved some very important documents, but I can't boot to this install any longer, so have installed lubuntu to harddrive and mounted my old flashdrive live lubuntu hoping to access these documents, but so far had no luck finding them?
[12:00] <linuxdumb> how do I access them
[14:19] <Ludlow> Hola. anyone alive?
[14:21] <cerebrate> :T
[14:21] <cerebrate> i guess not
[14:21] <cerebrate> i mean i guess so >:c
[14:21]  * cerebrate slaps his brain
[17:42] <jacklk> At the Ubuntu login screen, shutdown, restart, etc do not work. I think this may be because it needs root privalleges to do this... Can someone help?
[17:48] <wxl> jacklk: you are NOT going to get help spamming every canonical channel about this.
[18:22] <n-iCe> hi
[18:45] <n-iCe> hello guys
[18:45] <n-iCe> how do I change the lxterminal shorcuts?
[19:22] <echoSMILE> Hi. I'm trying to boot lubuntu with a livecd in a powerpc and when the gui appear with loading animation I got " unable to find a medium containing a live file system " how can I bypass this?
[19:24] <wxl> wow that old bug? i thought that was long gone. which livecd, echoSMILE ?
[19:24] <echoSMILE> 12.10
[19:25] <wxl> that's odd. i must have booted that 10s of times in testing. you should check the md5s if you haven't already. and if that's good, you could reburn at the slowest possible speed.
[19:27] <echoSMILE> let me ask, how can change the speed of burn can change anything?
[19:27] <wxl> echoSMILE: it's less error prone
[19:27] <wxl> 1 bit makes a difference
[19:27] <wxl> and can mean the difference between success and failure
[19:28] <echoSMILE> is that the 'only' solution for this, like you said, old issue?
[19:29] <wxl> that's the most likely problem
[19:29] <echoSMILE> ok, i will reburn and test it.
[19:30] <echoSMILE> tks a lot.
[19:44] <echoSMILE> wxl: btw, is the desktop version I'm using, not the alternative.
[19:46] <echoSMILE> btw, any other recomended live cd for powerpc?
[19:47] <wxl> echoSMILE: if you have no graphics problems, it should work fine.
[19:47] <echoSMILE> wxl: the loading animation appears, so I can say gui is working fine?
[19:48] <wxl> echoSMILE: probably but it'll be really telling when you see the desktop.
[19:48] <echoSMILE> I'm burning at 4x and the md5sum is fine.
[19:48] <echoSMILE> let see after this :P
[19:49] <wxl> :)
[19:49] <wxl> you can do an md5sum on the cd, too, after burning, if you want to get really obsessive
[19:49] <echoSMILE> how I do that at windows?
[19:49] <echoSMILE> :x
[19:49] <echoSMILE> I dont have cdrom in my laptop to test in linu
[19:57] <echoSMILE> wxl: imagine the cd is fine, what can be, a hardware issue?
[20:10] <echoSMILE> any difference between the boots 'live' live-powerpc' and 'live-powerpc64' ?
[20:12] <echoSMILE> wxl: same error. :/
[20:14] <phillw> echoSMILE: you can install http://www.winmd5.com/ on windows to md5checksum
[20:14] <echoSMILE> phillw: yeah, but that checks the CD?
[20:15] <echoSMILE> not the .iso file.
[20:15] <phillw> echoSMILE: can you see the cd mounted?
[20:15] <echoSMILE> mounted how/where ?
[20:16] <echoSMILE> should I test the ram with memtest or something?
[20:16] <phillw> soz echoSMILE It's been too long since I used win. let me have a look for you.
[20:17] <echoSMILE> phillw: about the integrity the burn software check after and was ok.
[20:20] <phillw> echoSMILE: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows from my understanding of the http://www.nullriver.com/downloads/Install-winMd5Sum.exe version, you should may be set the directory to your cd/dvd drive. But that's just a stab in the dark.
[20:21] <phillw> in the URL window, and then 'send to' winMd5Sum
[20:25] <echoSMILE> phillw: I will try it later, but I double is about the cd.
[20:25] <phillw> echoSMILE: are you installing from cd onto the ppc computer?
[20:25] <echoSMILE> phillw: trying to run the live cd only
[20:26] <echoSMILE> and yes, in a ppc computer
[20:27] <phillw> when it boots, it should give you the option to 'self test' the CD. But, you need to chat to the PPC guys for the options that are presented. I don't have access to a PPC machine and the VM system doesn't show the problems that you guys have.
[20:28] <echoSMILE> I have the boot entries: 'live' live-powerpc' and 'live-powerpc64'
[20:29] <echoSMILE> and more.
[20:29] <echoSMILE> but I'm using ppc so I just say that.
[20:30] <phillw> do you not see the option to test integrity of the cd/dvd ?
[20:31] <echoSMILE> Right now I cant answer that, but I will check it later.
[20:32] <echoSMILE> but by default what you are saying is that option exist right?
[20:33] <echoSMILE> anyway, when I boot, I get a shell where I can't press enter and boot with the default 'live' option or press TAB and see the others options to boot
[20:33] <echoSMILE> s/can't/can
[20:37] <phillw> echoSMILE: you need to chat to the PPC guys, not too many are on #lubuntu all the time. A good way is using the lubuntu-testing mailing list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Getting_Involved
[20:38] <echoSMILE> ok.
[20:38] <echoSMILE> tks all.
[20:39] <phillw> echoSMILE: if wxl is on later when you get back, he is one of the PPC guys and can help within PPC
[20:40] <echoSMILE> cool :)
[20:43] <phillw> echoSMILE: but, I do recommend you join the testing team. I'll approve your application real quick. on the testing mailing list we put [PPC] at the start of the subject so they PPC and none-PPC guys don't have to read the ones they cannot assist with (the mailing list is fairly low volume, but at this stage of testing it does get a bit busier :) )
[20:44] <echoSMILE> ok. tks. I will join, any help from my part, count with me for testing.
[21:26] <wxl> echoSMILE: sorry busy at work. what's up?
[21:48] <SineTheCreator`> hi all
[21:48] <SineTheCreator`> is there any way to reduce cpu usage in lubuntu?
[21:49] <zleap> not sure,  what is running that doesn't need to be running
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> i have noticed that my system is a bit sluggish. after checking htop i've seen that it uses hardly any RAM (~200 megs, i have 1GB) but that the CPU is often highly utilized even at idle
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> eh. lubuntu itself, docky, and hexchat
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> thats about it
[21:49] <zleap> hmm
[21:49] <SineTheCreator`> oh and xcompmgr for docky
[21:50] <zleap> hmm not sure
[21:50] <SineTheCreator`> i dont use a lot of the effects though. basic shadows and opacity. thats it.
[21:50] <zleap> try free -h
[21:50] <zleap> that tells you how much memory you're using  and how much is free,
[21:50] <zleap> i know top does but top also gives you a big list
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> Mem:          874M       606M       268M         0B        83M       303M
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> it's showing 0B used in swapspace
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> it's showing 606M used, 268M free
[21:51] <SineTheCreator`> i guess 303M cache is what's using the majority of the RAM
[21:52] <phillw> cache is fine, you need to see what is eating CPU time
[21:52] <SineTheCreator`> also i'm not sure why it only shows 874M available? my laptop has an ati x200m, dedicated RAM. no shared memory architecture.
[21:52] <zleap> phillw, whats the difference betweet top and htop
[21:53] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: right now, cpu is mostly used by X and htop according to htop
[21:53] <phillw> zleap: it gives a more GUI version of what is going on and is a bit more customisable in what you want to prioritise for sorting.
[21:54] <SineTheCreator`> htop is using 3-8%, X is using 1-3%, all else is 0 or less than 1
[21:54] <SineTheCreator`> if this is the case... why is the system so sluggish?
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> it can often take a full ten seconds to load chromium or hexchat, and then after loading the app in question is incredibly slow and choppy
[21:55] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: what video card do you have?
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> i switched to using qupzilla instead of chromium, it's a bit faster but not by much. scrolling and resizing is still painfully slow
[21:55] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: ati x200m
[21:56] <SineTheCreator`> it's using the default driver that comes with lubuntu
[21:56] <SineTheCreator`> but i'd assume it works normally, since compositing and shadows and such work okay
[21:57] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[21:58] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: i did. my card doesn't even seem to be listed there
[21:59] <SineTheCreator`> you'll notice that article applies 99% only to desktop cards
[21:59] <SineTheCreator`> very few mobile cards are listed
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> i'll try the fglrx driver but i dont think it supports my card
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> even the windows official ati driver doesnt support it
[22:00] <SineTheCreator`> they left that up to laptop manufacturers
[22:03] <zleap> phillw, looks a lot better than top, thanks
[22:03] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1811161
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> hmm
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> i dont even have an xorg.conf to backup
[22:03] <phillw> zleap: I use htop on all but servers.
[22:03] <SineTheCreator`> that article must be quite outdated
[22:04] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: as is the card. You can force the system to make an xorg.conf, but it will take me a few minutes to find the link unless someone here has the link handy.
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> so... i DONT need the fglrx driver?
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> or just not the official one/
[22:05] <SineTheCreator`> ?
[22:06] <SineTheCreator`> what is this xorg edgers crack?
[22:06] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061399 will create an xorg file for you.
[22:07] <SineTheCreator`> phillw: cant do that. fatal error because X is already running
[22:08] <SineTheCreator`> oh. i have to reboot into recovery shell
[22:08] <SineTheCreator`> also why would i want to move to unstable xorg packages from this repo?
[22:09] <Freddie_Freewing> Hello everybody, I have a quick question that I hope someone can help me with. I recently snatched an old iMac G3 out of the trash. It runs, alas I don't have the os install disk to reset the passwords so I am locked out of it. I was trying to use the lubuntu live cd. It booted to the text screen where you have to choose the kernel to boot from. I tried several, unfortunately it seems to kernel panic saying that it ran out of
[22:09] <Freddie_Freewing> memory and there are no killable processes. Any ideas?
[22:10] <phillw> SineTheCreator`: the best team to ask on GPU's is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 (read the FAQ), that area deals with multimedia :)
[22:15] <phillw> Freddie_Freewing: I'd suggest asking the PPC people, they can be found generally on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 (the Mac PPC sticky is a good resource).
[22:16] <Freddie_Freewing> 9.5530611 Kernel panic -not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes ... I guess I maxed out the ramdisk? Thanks Phillw I shall do that. :)
[23:27] <n-iCe> hello, how can I test my microphone?
[23:29] <wxl> n-iCe: try arecord
[23:31] <n-iCe> lets see
[23:31] <n-iCe> wow
[23:31] <n-iCe> a lot of things are happening on console
[23:31] <n-iCe> no idea what does that mean, lol
[23:32] <wxl> well you have to read the manual to understand what it does
[23:32] <wxl> there's nice examples in there
[23:33] <n-iCe> But when I do noise, new characteres appear
[23:33] <n-iCe> I think it is working
[23:33] <wxl> there is that
[23:34] <n-iCe> thanks
[23:34] <wxl> np
[23:34] <wxl> sorry for being less helpful than normal n-iCe
[23:34] <wxl> busy at work
[23:35] <n-iCe> less? you were really great
[23:35] <wxl> well normally i'd probably have given you all the command line swwitches you needed :)
[23:36] <n-iCe> cuz you rock
[23:36] <n-iCe> arecord word was enough.
[23:36] <wxl> kewl then
[23:36] <n-iCe> I installed lubuntu in my gf computer yesterday
[23:37] <wxl> nice
[23:37] <n-iCe> Now I'm doing it on mine :p
[23:37] <wxl> excellent!
[23:39] <n-iCe> almost done


[09:21] <issyl0> Morning all.
[09:55] <peppe84> Hi. A quick meno: remember to delete Rhythmbox instrction from natty ubuntu-docs ;-)
[21:36] <issyl0> Heh, the latest email to the mailing list...
[21:37] <mdke> hah


[02:37] <Yoyoatw> hey guys i need some help
[02:37] <crond> We all do.
[02:38] <Yoyoatw> is this the irc channel for ubuntuforums.org
[02:38] <Yoyoatw> ?
[02:39] <Yoyoatw> ....?
[02:39] <crond> Uhm I guess so yes.
[02:39] <Yoyoatw> kk
[02:39] <Yoyoatw> Could anyone help with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1718071
[02:41] <Bachstelze> Yoyoatw: what does   ndiswrapper -l  say?
[02:42] <Yoyoatw> I got driver installed Bachstelze
[02:42] <crond> what card do you have that you're using ndiswrapper for anyhow?
[02:42] <Yoyoatw> device present
[02:42] <Yoyoatw> wireless card?
[02:42] <crond> yea
[02:42] <crond> what model
[02:43] <Yoyoatw> Proxim 8424-WD
[02:43] <crond> o.  never even heard of that.,
[02:43] <Yoyoatw> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Proxim_8424-WD
[02:44] <Yoyoatw> apparently it works with Ndiswrapper
[02:44] <crond> well, yea guess you're stuck doing it that way.  :(
[02:44] <Yoyoatw> ?
[02:45] <Yoyoatw> Bachstelze: my 2nd post is very helpful on that thread
[02:48] <Yoyoatw> Bachstelze: Not to rush you... But are you still looking into my problem?
[02:49]  * Yoyoatw whistles
[02:50] <Bachstelze> Yoyoatw: I asked for the output of ndiswrapper -l
[02:50] <Bachstelze> I mean the WHOLE output
[02:51] <Yoyoatw> oh
[02:52] <Yoyoatw> I don't have that on me
[02:52] <Yoyoatw> and I can't boot into ubuntu now
[02:52] <Yoyoatw> Bachstelze: Link to profile? (So i can PM you tomorrow)
[02:52] <Bachstelze> same nickname
[02:52] <Yoyoatw> kk
[02:52] <Bachstelze> but  I don't go on the forums often these days
[02:53] <Yoyoatw> Tu parles francais?
[02:54] <Bachstelze> aye
[02:54] <Yoyoatw> anyway Bachstelze: Accept my friend request
[02:54] <Yoyoatw> and I gotta log off now
[02:54] <Yoyoatw> thanks
[02:54] <Yoyoatw> au revoir :)
[21:40] <Yoyoatw> Hey Bachstelze, you there? I got some more info for you.
[21:41]  * Yoyoatw whistles
[21:42] <Yoyoatw> pss Bachstelze you there?
[21:47] <Joeb454> I'd hazard a guess at him being away right now. It's relatively late for Bachstelze, IIRC
[21:47] <Yoyoatw> late for him?
[21:48] <schauerlich> eh, it's only 11pm
[21:48] <schauerlich> (paris time)
[21:48] <Yoyoatw> ohh
[21:48] <Joeb454> I don't know his daily routine, so I could be wrong
[21:48] <Yoyoatw> hmmm
[21:48] <Yoyoatw> that means i talked to him yesterday at 3:00 AM
[21:48] <Yoyoatw> oh
[21:49] <Yoyoatw> Do you huys have any experience with networking and Ubuntu?
[21:49] <Yoyoatw> guys*
[21:50] <Yoyoatw> ???
[21:50] <Yoyoatw> Calyp: You there?