[00:02] <tomreyn> i detest their meltdown + spectre PR. it's hardly possible to find the bits of actual information in there and interpret it correctly.
[00:03] <tomreyn> amd's "we're the untouchables" approach is not really better, though.
[00:08] <daftykins> and Apple claiming they fixed it all in patches, oy
[00:09] <tomreyn> well a microcode update is a patch for them
[00:26] <daftykins> not a 100% fix though
[03:41] <JanC> I wonder if there is an archive somewhere of "Ubuntu sightings in popular media" (movies, series, documentaries, etc.)?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Saturday - support !
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-invites-ubuntu-users-to-test-kernel-patches-for-spectre-security-flaw-519448.shtml
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> hmm i wonder why i get this update, i have ati
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> cpu amd
[06:59] <Bashing-om> Time ! g nite \o
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> nite nite Bashing-om
[07:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: make it the best you are able ... see ya :)
[07:04] <shanu> Needed help in fixing a problem I am facing since morning. Since upgrading to ubuntu 17.10, I am unable to log into sites like amazon. Other sites like netflix do not open at all.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> shanu: this is the discuss channel use #ubuntu instead and have patience
[07:05] <shanu> oh
[07:05] <shanu> Somebody there pointed to discuss it here. That's why I posted
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> shanu: they did not, it was meant for another user
[07:06] <shanu> My bad
[07:44] <ducasse> morning, all
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[12:22] <Donmel> Hi
[12:22] <Donmel> Hello lovers
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> hey Donmel
[12:22] <Donmel> hi
[12:22] <Donmel> Can you share your specs please
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: AMD C-60 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,5 GiB Total (2,6 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 73,7 GB / 129,5 GB (55,8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 12h/14h Processor Funct
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> ion 5 • Uptime: 9m 1s
[12:23] <Donmel> nice
[12:23] <Donmel> How do i share mine
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: are you on hexchat?
[12:23] <TJ-> Donmel: I don't think my specs would suit your eyes
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:24] <Donmel> lol why wouldn't it suite me eyes
[12:24] <Donmel> its good
[12:24] <Donmel> Yes I am on hexchat
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: rightmouse/window/sysinfo
[12:24] <Donmel> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T5300  @ 1.73GHz (1.07GHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 17.9 GB / 247.7 GB (229.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML
[12:24] <Donmel> and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 40m 34s
[12:24] <Donmel> Hows that for starters?
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> pretty cool Donmel
[12:25] <Donmel> But you got a graphics card
[12:25] <Donmel> which distro are you using dear
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: look in my sysinfo
[12:25] <Donmel> it says bionic
[12:26] <Donmel> do you know which one I am using
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: yes, artful
[12:26] <Donmel> but what is artful?
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: whats written behind artful?
[12:26] <Donmel> Ubuntu
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> behind
[12:27] <Donmel> As in? 17.10?
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[12:27] <Donmel> :)
[12:27] <Donmel> So do you know which one it is
[12:28] <Donmel> Am I using Ubuntu / Lubuntu / Xubuntu , etc.?
[12:28] <Donmel> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T5300  @ 1.73GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (2.6 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 17.9 GB / 247.7 GB (229.9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML
[12:28] <Donmel> and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 44m 37s
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: you just said lubuntu
[12:29] <Donmel> ok.. but you couldn't get it from artful
[12:29] <Donmel> Lotus
[12:29] <Donmel> I got 4GB ram but its only detecting 2.9
[12:29] <Donmel> I am pretty sure around 128MB is going on graphics memory
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> Donmel: pretty cool specs for a lubuntu system
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | Donmel install this aswell
[12:35] <TJ-> Donmel: if I recall correctly, the 945GM chipset can only address 4GB maximum (despite being a 64-bit chipset it only has 32 physical address lines)
[12:36] <TJ-> Donmel: and due to needing up some for memory mapping I/O devices often the maximum available usable RAM is 3GB, less any reserved for the GPU
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> hey DJones
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^
[12:47] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[12:47] <EriC^^> what's up?
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> im bit testing stuff on bionic
[12:48] <EriC^^> nice
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: can i add your git url to my topic?
[12:54] <EriC^^> i removed the stuff for now, gonna fix it up more and add them back later
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: kk
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:58] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^   ;-)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> back on debian again
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: more stable?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> I just like having it around , yeah it's like a rock :-)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:20] <BluesKaj> still have Kubuntu 17.10 and 18.04
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: you tested loading times to desktop on bionic?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> im having a bug that takes long time from login to desktop
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063
[13:23] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yeah I had a long one too, but that was after debian was installed , the swap UUID had changed so i reinstalled the new entry from blkid
[13:25] <BluesKaj> just installed the nvidia driver here on decian , so I'll have to reboot anyway, I'll check Bionic boot time
[13:26] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[13:33] <BluesKaj> took about 45 secs to boot Bionic to the desktop
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah same here
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: thats on kde on your side?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> it's on a HDD, so not as fasr as debian and 17.10, which are on a ssd
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yup all kde here
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: could you systemd-analyze blame plz?
[13:36] <DJones> Afternoon all
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> hey DJones
[13:37] <DJones> Hi lotuspsychje
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: here's mine https://hastebin.com/inapexejuc.go
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[14:23] <pauljw> hi everyone
[14:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[14:25] <pauljw> good morning BluesKaj :)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> how are you on this fine sat morning pauljw?.... jan thaw here , above freezing with sunshine :-)
[14:28] <pauljw> yeah, same here.  i'm doing fine, you?  still white out there, but going to 50 this afternoon.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> yeagh same here, but the snow is taking a beating
[14:33] <BluesKaj> our local ski hill is in trouble , as are all the snowmobile trails
[14:37] <BluesKaj> real winter has moved north this last couple of weeks
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ive tested a system with nouveau/wayland with nvidia graphics working like a charm
[14:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, nouveau works to some degree, i'm sure, but with multiple monitors?
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> didnt test that part yet
[14:47] <pauljw> :)
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/playonlinux-for-easier-use-of-wine
[16:32] <jer> nouveau is garbage ... multiple monitors doesn't work, random lockups with a 1080 ti, poor performance, no cuda...
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> jer: with wayland comming as default, you have alternatives?
[16:33] <jer> lotuspsychje, waiting to see when/if nvidia will port their proprietary drivers to wayland before upgrading
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> jer: alot of wayland users out there already on fedora
[16:34] <jer> i'm not on 17.10 yet, and won't move up to any version that doesn't also give me an X11 option because these are things i need. nouveau doesn't work for me unfortunately =/
[16:34] <jer> ok that's fine for them
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> jer: we'll have to wait and see whats gonna happen at bionic release
[16:35] <jer> well i suppose i sohuldn't say that, i do have one computer on 17.10 using wayland, but it's using the intel integrated graphics for gpu, and the nvidia gpu in it is not used for display at all. my main workstation though has no integrated gpu, so my choices are either go out and buy something with good driver support for use under wayland and upgrade, or stay where i am. =/
[16:36] <jer> lotuspsychje, yeah i know. if i get cramped for time, it'll end up being taking a weekend and moving this machine off ubuntu and onto something else
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> jer: you mean another flavor?
[16:36] <jer> lotuspsychje, no i mean a different distribution
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> right
[16:37] <jer> anyway, that's how markets work =] something not satisfying your need or want, find something else. i like the idea of wayland, but i do need proprietary nvidia drivers or the nouveau drivers to get stable and fully featured soon. the latter is unlikely to happen (re: fully featured)
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> jer: i think we at an impasse right now, ppl saying xorg is dead, future is wayland..but wayland not ready..
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> and will other distro's do the wayland move like systemd did
[16:40] <jer> lotuspsychje, it's a transitionary thing; wayland will never be ready if you don't force it on people -- more people == more bug reports == more interest in fixing them == quicker moving the product; sucks for users in the short term, but will be better in the long term. yes, xorg is not a modern rendering / windowing system
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah i agree on the forcing part, alot of bugs created on 17.10 and higher already about it
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> jer: im testing bionic on 3 machines, 2 out of 3 still need xorg...and the funny part the only wayland going smooth is on nouveau lol
[16:44] <jer> lotuspsychje, heh
[16:45] <jer> of all the linux systems i have that have gpus, only one has anything other than an nvidia gpu for display -- and it's an intel based laptop =]
[16:46] <jer> but that's also got problems re: power management in 17.10 so it stays off most of the time
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:59] <TJ-> Does anyone remember the Ubuntu Holly Holbach release?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> no?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> whats that about TJ-
[17:01] <TJ-> I just found it listed on changelogs.ubuntu.com :)
[17:02] <TJ-> made me giggle... I suspect Seb Holbach added it and 'Holly' is his partner: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-unit-testing
[17:02] <TJ-> obviously a 'red' herring release :D
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:08] <tomreyn> :)
[17:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: there was something I spotted I was going to tell you about... but it's gone out of my head now!
[17:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: sometime during the next night you'll remember, be sure to run to your keyboard and type it immediately!
[17:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: before *I* forget (although i got to be afk for a bit shortly, sorry): you had shared your mainline kernel download script with me a while ago, wget_kernel_mainline.sh - i forgot to take note about a source location. do you have it on your github repository or somewhere else in git?
[17:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: oh! I know. in the changelog server's meta-release entries they change the "ReleaseNotes" link when it goes EOL... I had the hair-brained idea of having update-manager use that as a trigger to warn of EOL but then realised it won't change until the EOL day itself
[17:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: haha, I updated that recently to a little cleverer... let me check where it is
[17:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: got it: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/  ... you might also be interested in "grub_custom_sort_menu.tar.gz" which creates GRUB sub-menus for mainline and RC builds and prevents them being listed ahead of the regular Ubuntu kernels.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Wayland-GTK-Input-Proto
[17:17] <TJ-> my wrapper for dpkg-divert is there too which I use with my package-content-replacement tooling to move files under /etc/dpkg-divert/{orginal-path} and then symlink my tooling from /usr/local/*
[17:19] <TJ-> I'm currently tidying up all my tooling and adding documentation then I'm going to publically share the /usr/local/ file-system I share locally so anyone can mount/copy it
[17:47] <tomreyn> TJ-: thank you! have you heard about versionioning systems? ;)
[17:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: you mean git... i heard a whisper :p
[17:48] <tomreyn> this kind of sounds like a good use case.
[17:48] <TJ-> tomreyn: the reason for sharing /usr/local/ is so it can be mounted over NFS or sshfs
[17:49] <TJ-> all my remote systems share it over VPN but there's so many useful things it makes sense to export the entire FS for hackers to enjoy
[17:51] <tomreyn> i guess it would amke sense for your use case
[17:51] <tomreyn> *also make
[17:51] <TJ-> There's 15 years of accumulated tools and customisations I use so regularly I'm lost without them
[17:52] <tomreyn> especially those i would not want to keep elsewhere than in a versioning system
[17:53] <tomreyn> well you know what you're doing, i'm just trying to evangelize ;)
[17:56] <TJ-> I use git for developing, even for /etc/ (triggered by an inotify watch for any WRITE,CLOSE changes)
[17:56] <tomreyn> etckeeper?
[17:57] <tomreyn> ah no that hooks into apt, inotify is even better i guess
[17:58] <tomreyn> !info etckeeper
[17:58] <TJ-> something I developed myself back around 2007 I think
[17:59] <tomreyn> wasn't inotify only invented in 2010? ;)
[17:59] <tomreyn> oh 2005 already
[17:59] <TJ-> originally it was on a cron job then gained some sophistication
[18:00] <TJ-> I think I got into inotify around 2008 when debugging it
[18:00] <tomreyn> wikipedia: "Inotify was created by John McCutchan,[1] and it was merged into the Linux kernel mainline in kernel version 2.6.13, released on August 29, 2005;[2] later kernel versions included further improvements. The required library interfaces were added into the GNU C Library (glibc) in its version 2.4, released in March 2006, while the support for inotify was completed in glibc version 2.5, released in September 2006.[3]"
[18:01] <tomreyn> debugging a file system filter sounds like ... oh look, a unicorn!
[18:01] <tomreyn> if i was able to, it would not be  my favourite hobby
[18:05] <TJ-> brings back memories actually; first major bug I found in Linux was around 2005 with a dmraid 1+0 on 4 disks where the kernel would cause the disk drives to crash their heads repeatedly against the end-stops because it was reading the MBR PT from the underlying disks and trying to seek on the first disk of a pair to a sector on the 2nd disk (which works when looking at the MD device of course)
[18:05] <tomreyn> ouch
[18:06] <tomreyn> i bet this saved a lot of people some money, including myself, thanks.
[18:06] <tomreyn> well not just money, also a lot of annoyance / labor
[18:07] <tomreyn> i'm impressed, and conclude you must be more than 20 years of age. :-P
[18:07] <tomreyn> (i'm not 20 either)
[18:07] <TJ-> not sure, had a to-and-fro with Linus in the LKML over it because my patch was in the partition handling code and he said it should be elsewhere, but couldn't say where, then when I produced a suitable patch refused to accept it because he didn't believe my name is "Tj" so I told him to go stuff it
[18:08] <tomreyn> thats your actual first name?
[18:08] <tomreyn> or did he just not like you abbreviating it
[18:08] <TJ-> that's my entire name
[18:09] <TJ-> I have this argument with so many people who try to tell me it can't be my name, or it's an acronym
[18:09] <tomreyn> doh, that's short
[18:09] <TJ-> hence my domain name to reinforce the point :)
[18:09] <TJ-> pronounced "teej"
[18:10] <tomreyn> i thought it was that domain name because you did not want to by the TLD.
[18:11] <tomreyn> ..and did not want to expand the acroynm
[18:11] <tomreyn> *buy
[18:11] <TJ-> haha, I actually tried to buy it in the early 2000s when the USA company that was operating it was suspended, but it was handed over to the Tajik government as it is their CC TLD
[18:12] <tomreyn> it's now managed by astute.ly though, which also do .ly, i think, and are just some agency
[18:12] <tomreyn> isnt it?
[18:13] <tomreyn> ah no i made that up apparently
[18:13] <TJ-> No, astute.ly is another of my domains
[18:13] <tomreyn> oh it seemed familiar
[18:14] <tomreyn> gtg again, bbl
[18:14] <tomreyn> thanks again for the updated script
[18:14] <tomreyn> oh and if you can fix ubottu's HTTPS by chance...
[18:14] <TJ-> ubottus!? not another broken
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:40] <tomreyn> hehe
[18:40] <tomreyn> well i just mean the website is unavailable for some days now
[18:42] <TJ-> tomreyn: I think I lost track; I've been redeveloping everything internally before pushing it out - planning on nuking all the existing data-center stuff so not been bothering to maintain it
[18:44] <tomreyn> okay, it doesn't seem like anyone can remember, and Pici (bot owner) doesn't respond, so...
[18:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you mean ubottu's factoids?
[19:23] <tomreyn> TJ-: right
[19:24] <tomreyn> aka https://ubottu.com/
[19:28] <tomreyn> any idea how can fix it?
[19:29] <oerheks> was there ever a certificate for ubottu.com?
[19:30] <daftykins> i heard the ops alienated and then kicked out the real maker of ubottu
[19:31] <TJ-> openssl s_client reports connect: Connection refused
[20:05] <tomreyn> netcat, too
[20:06] <tomreyn> and yes there was a certificate for ubottu.com
[20:07] <tomreyn> https://censys.io/certificates/4ba8e9ae2ee2aa9804da41e7947ddae80d68dd90f6fe1ff5b2c32f24783e5a9f
[20:07] <tomreyn> gandi DV
[20:08] <tomreyn> there must have been a later one, though
[20:10] <tomreyn> last spotted 4 days ago: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6Tp2t0tW2vAJ:https://ubottu.com/
[20:25] <tomreyn> bug reported :) maybe someone will read it sometime.
[20:30] <tomreyn> i like how there is a bug tag "mess"
[20:30] <TJ-> it's easier than trying to remember CVE numbers


[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:24] <valorie> mmikowski: yes, konqueror is what sold me on moving to linux completely
[19:44] <santa_> RikMills: quick update from my front:
[19:44] <santa_> - konqueror fixed yesterday in the nightç
[19:45] <santa_> - the tarball_ext_support branch of KA is ready to test, I've just pusshed the last thing a few mins ago
[19:45] <santa_> and that's it for now
[19:46] <santa_> the konqueror patch wasn't easy, if hope it's good enough
[19:46] <santa_> * I hope it's good enough
 wondering why this packages still being kept back :
 The following packages have been kept back:
   kate kdegraphics-thumbnailers kio kio-extras kio-extras-data konsole konsole-kpart libkf5kiocore5 libokular5core10 okular
   okular-extra-backends print-manager
 is it because of the libc6?
 and other dependencies ?


[07:07] <abogani> astraljava: ping
[08:05]  * abogani waves
[08:05] <abogani> Sorry for stupid question :)
[08:06] <abogani> Feedbacks are welcome, feedback are welcome or feedback is welcome?
[08:07] <abogani> Maybe I need of a double coffee cup
[09:36] <astraljava> abogani: pong
[09:37] <astraljava> feedback _is_ welcome
[09:52] <abogani> astraljava: Thanks!
[11:48] <astraljava> abogani: Glad to be of assistance. :D
[17:41] <holstein> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ubuntu-1104-to-switch-to-Unity-desktop/?kc=rss
[17:42] <holstein> what are we going to do about that?
[17:42] <holstein> i guess i should try loading up some of the studio software in unity
[17:42] <holstein> see about the work-flow
[17:53] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> @holstein, this part is of concern to me:
[17:53] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> "Users interested in Unity will need hardware that is modern enough to handle 3D-based graphics. Users running Ubuntu on older machines will still have to switch to the GNOME interface with its 2D graphics."
[17:54] <Narwhal_Gym_Sock> Perhaps a switch to XFCE or LXDE is worth seriously considering?
[18:02] <astraljava> Narwhal_Gym_Sock: That is seriously bad news I wasn't aware of. Damnit!
[18:39] <crimsun> I don't think the Unity workflow is particularly conducive to Studio work.
[18:39] <crimsun> also, it's as a plugin for Compiz
[18:54] <TheMuso> I just posted to the dev list about this. Studio can stick with the traditional panel interface if it so chooses. Just because Ubuntu is chanigng, doesn't mean studio has to.
[18:55] <TheMuso> The panel interface will be staying around for thsoe who don't have capable hardware, at least for now, so studio's default desktop can stay right where it is, if the project devs choose to do so.
[20:33] <scott-work> just to second TheMusoi thought that i read somewhere (jono's blog?)
[20:33] <scott-work> argh...hit return
[20:34] <scott-work> just to second TheMuso's point, i thought i read somewhere (jono's blog?) that the conventional gnome desktop (as we know it) can be installed as an alternate
[20:34] <scott-work> to unity
[20:34] <scott-work> my choice of "alternate" is not to imply a relationship with the alternate installation disc
[20:52] <astraljava> Oh, I do hope we'd stick to traditional, but let's hear other opinions.


[00:00] <AMIGAS> how do i reset my task bar?
[00:02] <TheCheggs> like to the default setup?
[00:02] <AMIGAS> no i cant see it
[00:02] <TheCheggs> can you open a terminal?
[00:02] <AMIGAS> yes
[00:02] <TheCheggs> type in lxpanel
[00:03] <TheCheggs> does it bring it back?
[00:03] <AMIGAS> no
[00:03] <TheCheggs> wait do you mean the panel at the bottom or what shows your currently opened windows?
[00:04] <AMIGAS> open windows
[00:04] <TheCheggs> alright, right click the panel at the bottom
[00:04] <TheCheggs> then add/remove panel items
[00:04] <TheCheggs> then add
[00:05] <TheCheggs> and look for task bar
[00:05] <TheCheggs> click it then click add
[00:12] <AMIGAS> lol no i cant see my top panel bar
[00:13] <TheCheggs> hold on i gotta brb
[00:14] <AMIGAS> wxl: how do i reset my top panel bar?
[00:15] <wxl> AMIGAS: you have two bars or one?
[00:15] <AMIGAS> two lol
[00:15] <TheCheggs> back
[00:15] <wxl> ok so what are in those two bars, just so i'm clear?
[00:16] <wxl> (i realize one is gone; let me know what's expected to be in the one missing one)
[00:17] <AMIGAS> desktop pager, apps, music player, etc... :D
[00:17] <wxl> ok so that's part of lxpanel for sure
[00:17] <wxl> so alt-f2 and type `lxpanelctl restart` and hit enter and you're good
[00:21] <AMIGAS> wow working
[00:22] <wxl> remember that one, AMIGAS
[00:22] <wxl> another one to remember if you have a more system-wide problem is `openbox --restart`
[00:23] <AMIGAS> oh so what does this one do
[00:23] <wxl> it will restart the whole window manager
[00:24] <AMIGAS> oh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?
[00:24] <AMIGAS> brb
[00:32] <AMIGAS> back
[00:33] <AMIGAS> oh cool, so is there any more that will be useful?
[00:33] <wxl> well sure for specific things
[00:34] <wxl> you remember that wiki link i gave you yesterday?
[00:34] <AMIGAS> yes but the browser isn't working
[00:35] <wxl> wat do you mean it's not working?
[00:35] <AMIGAS> ever freeze the computer or just slows ut down, really slow :D
[00:36] <wxl> you should try some very simple browser like dillo
[00:36] <AMIGAS> through terminal
[00:37] <wxl> it's not a terminal browser, no, but there are many of those, too
[00:37] <AMIGAS> oh like
[00:38] <AMIGAS> :D how do you get it through terminal you know the sudo thing
[00:38] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dillo
[00:41] <AMIGAS> oh
[00:44] <AMIGAS> loading dependency tree
[00:49] <AMIGAS> wxl: have any to lesses the memory beong used?
[00:50] <wxl> AMIGAS: ctl-alt-del
[00:51] <AMIGAS> wxl: it say dillo isn't available
[00:52] <wxl> AMIGAS: give me EXACTLY what it says
[00:52] <AMIGAS> Package dillo is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:52] <AMIGAS> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:52] <AMIGAS> is only available from another source
[00:52] <AMIGAS> E: Package 'dillo' has no installation candidate
[00:54] <wxl> omg
[00:54] <wxl> how BIZARRE
[00:54] <wxl> there's a hardy version of dillo and a precise version and that's it
[00:54] <wxl> wtf
[00:55] <AMIGAS> :D oh
[00:56] <AMIGAS> loading... one sec
[00:57] <wxl> AMIGAS: try arora maybe
[00:57] <Unit193> That's generally dead, but still in repo.
[00:57] <wxl> i'm trying to think graphical and lightweight here
[00:57] <wxl> help me out Unit193
[00:58] <Unit193> Midori, arora, xxxterm....
[00:58] <micahg> iceroot: if you would like to prepare a debdiff for the xfce4-power-manager issue, I would be happy to sponsor it next week if no one beats me to it
[00:59] <wxl> bah midori's yuck
[00:59] <Unit193> uzbl. ;)
[01:00] <micahg> wxl: there are surf and uzbl in precise
[01:00] <wxl> oooh never used that!
[01:00] <wxl> oh wows i got to check that out
[01:00] <wxl> he needs >precise
[01:01] <Unit193> Oneiric has it, uzbl.
[01:01] <wxl> there!
[01:01] <wxl> try uzbl AMIGAS !!!
[01:01] <AMIGAS> wxl: wzbl you say... oh ok
[01:02] <wxl> uzbl
[01:02] <wxl> Unit193: they include -tabbed?
[01:02] <Unit193> Don't remember.
[01:02] <wxl> oh wow look i didn't know there was a linux silverlight clone. cool.
[01:03] <Unit193> It's dead though, isn't it?
[01:03] <AMIGAS> wxl: what's a silverlight clone?
[01:04] <wxl> AMIGAS: you prolly don't need one :D
[01:04] <AMIGAS> wxl: still wanna know
[01:04] <wxl> Unit193: doesn't seem to be. there's still pumping out plugins for chromium. howwver i think this is silverlight 2.0 and i think silverlight is on 5.x
[01:05] <wxl> AMIGAS: silverlight is framework for internet apps that microsoft made.
[01:05] <AMIGAS> wxl: oh cool
[01:06] <wxl> -tabbed, -event-manager, and -cookie-daemon are all included. oh i'm so downloading uzbl tonight
[01:07] <AMIGAS> wxl: it's grest for you
[01:08] <AMIGAS> wxl: it said Reading package lists... Done
[01:08] <AMIGAS> Building dependency tree
[01:08] <AMIGAS> Reading state information... Done
[01:08] <AMIGAS> E: Unable to locate package wzbl
[01:08] <wxl> AMIGAS: uzbl
[01:08] <wxl> not wzbl
[01:09] <AMIGAS> wxl: oh Uzbl :D
[01:09] <AMIGAS> wxl: my bad
[01:11] <AMIGAS> wxl: loading... so what does uzbl mean?
[01:11] <wxl> AMIGAS: "usable"
[01:12] <AMIGAS> wxl: that's a funny way to put it U-Z-BL
[01:13] <wxl> k time to go
[01:13] <AMIGAS> adios amigo
[01:13] <wxl> see you tomorrow AMIGAS :D
[01:13] <AMIGAS> hasts mananna
[01:14] <AMIGAS> *hasta
[01:14] <iceroot> micahg: sounds good i will put the debdiff on the bug then
[01:15] <AMIGAS> wxl: hasta mananna
[01:15] <AMIGAS> wxl: spanish for what you said
[01:16] <micahg> iceroot: go ahead and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors when you add  the debdiff, if no one beats me to it, I will upload it sometime next week
[01:18] <iceroot> micahg: sounds good
[01:19] <AMIGAS> unit193: when the process is finish on terminal, where do i find the browser?
[01:20] <Unit193> Internet section.
[01:22] <micahg> iceroot: I will give you a bug task as well
[02:04] <AMIGAS> how do i get the browser app to appear in the menu
[02:13] <AMIGAS> unit193: how do i get the browser app to appear in the menu?
[02:28] <CTtechguy> anyone here watch videos off their iphone in lubuntu?
[02:30] <AMIGAS> what are the controls for uzbl?
[15:18] <AMIGAS> wxl: the browser is cool and all but the keyboard isn't working?
[15:20] <bioterror> AMIGAS, you mean that uzbl?
[15:20] <AMIGAS> bioterror: yes, it's not working for you too?
[15:21] <bioterror> AMIGAS, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UZBL-Browser#Commands
[15:22] <AMIGAS> bioterror: i just need to know how to work the keyboard on it
[15:22] <bioterror> and that explains it
[15:23] <AMIGAS> oh i dont get it
[16:51] <mauriicio> hi all
[16:54] <mauriicio> i have a question: in nautilus, to open multiple files (example: multiple videos or songs), i select the files and press <enter>. but in pcmanfm, if i do same thing, it opens only the last file of the selecteds.
[16:55] <mauriicio> how I open multiple files in pcmanfm ?
[16:58] <mauriicio> anybody helps me ?
[17:01] <kanliot> drag and drop out of pcmanfm to whatever
[17:02] <mauriicio> hey kanliot, thanks !
[17:03] <mauriicio> i know this, but i imagine pcmanfm same of nautilus in this question
[17:03] <mauriicio> sorry english
[17:04] <kanliot> honestly i've never used nautilus for longer than 10 minutes
[17:04] <kanliot> :)
[17:04] <mauriicio> hehe
[17:04] <kanliot> can you open multiple files with right clicking on multiple?
[17:04] <kanliot> i know i used to do that
[17:06] <kanliot> yeah it actually works
[17:06] <kanliot> so there u are
[17:06] <kanliot> :)
[17:14] <mauriicio> sorry, i was in phone
[17:15] <mauriicio> hey, thanks !
[18:26] <iceroot> there are programs like "lxkeymap" which are names "lxkeymap" in the menu. what about replacing that name with a more usefull name? noone knows what lx means, and non-english persons dont know what keymap is. are we have something like "altername name for the menu"?
[18:26] <iceroot> the same for xpad
[18:26] <bioterror> what if you let your mouse hang there for a moment
[18:27] <iceroot> bioterror: normal users dont do that :)
[18:27] <kanliot> actually on my pc, it does have a tooltip popup on hover
[18:27] <bioterror> okay
[18:27] <iceroot> bioterror: e.g. there are 30 entries in the menu i dont want to put the mouse on every entry to see if it is "tastatur-layout"
[18:27] <bioterror> lxkeymap's information is fcsck'd up :D
[18:28] <iceroot> so i want translated menu items
[18:28] <bioterror> you're free to join translate team ;)
[18:28] <Unit193> Good patches welcome.
[18:28] <iceroot> bioterror: i dont know if it is a bug for the translation team or an lxkeymap bug or an menu bug
[18:28] <kanliot> do patches really help for small bugs?
[18:29] <iceroot> its more a bug like "lets use usefull names for tools instead of lxfoobar"
[18:29] <iceroot> also, calculator
[18:29] <Unit193> What do you think !papercut team does?
[18:30] <iceroot> !papercut
[18:31] <iceroot> so i will open bugs against lxkeymap, leafpad, calculator and so on and assign papercut or provice a patch by myself?
[18:31] <Unit193> Patch, I'd think.
[18:32] <iceroot> hm
[18:33] <iceroot> i am not sure what the patch should look like, add language support with po-templates so that launchpad can used for translation?
[18:34] <iceroot> i think i will have a look at "deja-dup" which is showing correctly as "datensicherung" in the menu how it is handled there
[18:35] <kanliot> that would be a bug against the deja-dup package whatever it is
[18:36] <iceroot> deja-dup is fine.
[18:36] <iceroot> it was an example about a correct translated package with a usefull name in the menu
[18:36] <iceroot> maybe in english its "backup" and in german its "datensicherung". much better then there would be "deja-dup" as the menu-name
[18:37] <iceroot> and my goal is to replace e.g. lxkeymap with a more usefull name in the menu
[18:38] <iceroot> but i dont know if it is a wanted feature
[18:38] <iceroot> gilir:
[18:38] <iceroot> gilir: maybe you can share your opinion on that?
[18:40] <Unit193> I personally want to know the what program I'm opening, when you have two, "Web browser" and "File Manager" is just a pain.
[18:41] <iceroot> but i think a normal user (and/or a non-english person) dont know what lxkeymap means
[18:42] <iceroot> e.g. deja-dup, no person would think that the name "deja-dup" means backup-solution so the package has a usefull name in the menu and everyone knows what it does
[18:43] <kanliot> man, file a bug against lxkeymap, let us review it so it looks right
[18:43] <kanliot> k?
[18:43] <iceroot> e.g. pcmanfm is called filebrowser/dateimanager
[18:44] <iceroot> kanliot: its more of a question if that is usefull what i am saying
[18:44] <kanliot> i don't understand
[18:44] <kanliot> filing a bug is the first part of the process
[18:44] <iceroot> i dont want to file 30 bugs when all are marked as invalid
[18:45] <kanliot> :)
[18:45] <kanliot> nobody cares
[18:45] <iceroot> the bug-creator does :)
[18:45] <kanliot> we already ran our only girl on the lubuntu team out this week
[18:45] <kanliot> she only lasted an hour with us before she rage-quit
[18:46] <iceroot> i dont get what that has to do with my question
[18:46] <kanliot> and i don't understand why you want a 1000 batting average on bugs
[18:47] <iceroot> maybe i should find a better place to discuss that topic
[18:47] <kanliot> lol
[18:47] <kanliot> i will be quiet now
[18:47] <kanliot> :)
[18:48] <iceroot> my question was just "what do you think about replacing program names in the menu with a name which is telling the user what the program is doing"
[18:48] <kanliot> well doesn't matter what i think, unless i'm the maintainer of lxkeymap package
[18:49] <kanliot> No?  i'm kinda new too maybe it's more complex than that
[18:49] <bioterror> name should not matter as the comment is there
[18:49] <kanliot> bio i don't understand
[18:50] <bioterror> I remember when Windows 95 had this "Internet" icon on desktop
[18:50] <iceroot> now its firefox web browser
[18:50] <iceroot> sounds good to me
[18:50] <bioterror> kanliot, every .desktop -file has this "Comment" field
[18:50] <kanliot> ok
[18:51] <iceroot> bad would be "firefox" good is "firefox web browser" (imo)
[18:51] <kanliot> i can't agree more, some of the comment fields are pretty lazy, could be better
[18:52] <kanliot> does the name on the lxde menu come from the name of the .desktop file?
[18:52] <bioterror> ofcourse it does
[18:53] <kanliot> so you would want to change that too
[18:53] <kanliot> but where do the names get translated?
[18:53] <bioterror> that's what should be "change"
[18:53] <bioterror> kanliot, from .desktop -file
[18:53] <kanliot> translated in ubuntu, or translated in lxkeymap?
[18:53] <bioterror> dont you guys inspect what /usr/share/applications/ contains?
[18:53] <kanliot> ^
[18:54] <kanliot> lol
[18:54] <kanliot> no
[18:54] <kanliot> there's a usr/share directory?
[18:54] <bioterror> no
[18:54] <bioterror> there's  /usr/share/
[18:54] <kanliot> :(
[18:55] <iceroot> menu: "lxkeymap keyboard-layout"  comment: "Set the keyboard-layout"   something like that would be good (imo) and the comment translated
[18:55] <bioterror> /usr/share/applications/chromium-browser.desktop
[18:55] <bioterror> that's a good example how it's done
[18:56] <iceroot> bioterror: thank you
[18:56] <bioterror> /usr/share/applications/lxkeymap.desktop that's a good example what my ~/.config/autostart/foobar.desktop looks like :D
[18:56] <iceroot> i will open some bugs, put a patch/debdiff on the bug and see what will happen
[19:00] <wxl> we should make a script that just makes .desktop files
[19:00] <wxl> too bad i think of this before feature freeze :D
[19:13] <wxl> AMIGAS: what do you need to know abotu uzbl?
[19:13] <AMIGAS> like the keyboard isn't working
[19:13] <wxl> you mean the keyboard shortcuts don't work?
[19:14] <AMIGAS> nothing
[19:14] <wxl> what are you trying to do?
[19:15] <AMIGAS> type into google but it wouldn't type
[19:15] <wxl> type INTO google or open google?
[19:15] <wxl> opening google is `o google`
[19:15] <wxl> oops
[19:15] <wxl> `o google.com`
[19:16] <wxl> then typing INTO google you need to first hit `i` i believe
[19:17] <wxl> i'm loading it now so we can walk through this together
[19:17] <bioterror> I believe that this uzbl is horrible software :D
[19:17] <AMIGAS> :D
[19:17] <wxl> well hook him up with another lightweight web browser, bioterror
[19:17] <AMIGAS> how go you put it in the menu?
[19:17] <TheCheggs> evening all
[19:18] <wxl> you mean in the "internet" section?
[19:18] <AMIGAS> yes
[19:18] <bioterror> I used xxxterm for a couple of nights
[19:18] <bioterror> but I like all the thingies on chromium ;)
[19:18] <bioterror> just like I like my car with ACC and cruise
[19:19] <wxl> he has trouble with chromium apparently
[19:19] <wxl> so there you go, maybe try xxxterm
[19:19] <AMIGAS> what about chrome, is it available?
[19:19] <bioterror> AMIGAS, no difference between chrome and chromium
[19:19] <bioterror> except chrome comes with flashplayer bundled
[19:20] <bioterror> and it spies what you do
[19:20] <TheCheggs> chrome = bad
[19:20] <AMIGAS> :D bad= for what?
[19:21] <TheCheggs> chrome just likes to track your movements on the internet
[19:23] <AMIGAS> wow, it's my favorite browser on my windsow 7, it and firefox :D
[19:24] <bioterror> TheCheggs, also facebook follows where you go :D
[19:24] <bioterror> and what you do
[19:24] <AMIGAS> what's the differents between Xterm and UXterm?
[19:24] <TheCheggs> sure does
[19:24] <bioterror> AMIGAS, probably U stands for Unicode
[19:24] <wxl> AMIGAS: unicode
[19:24] <wxl> unicode is a good thing
[19:24] <bioterror> just like rxvt-unicode has a binary called urxvt
[19:25] <wxl> especially if you use a non-english language
[19:25] <AMIGAS> oh
[19:27] <AMIGAS> facebook follows where you go?
[19:27] <bioterror> yes
[19:27] <wxl> who doesn't?
[19:27] <wxl> google does
[19:27] <bioterror> if you have logged in, you have cookies
[19:27] <bioterror> and they sees
[19:27] <wxl> america does :D
[19:27] <bioterror> you can see from news pages or somewhere else that "this and this many friends of yours likes this"
[19:27] <wxl> the illuminati do XD
[19:28] <bioterror> that's why you can install extensions like "fb disconnect" ;)
[19:28] <bioterror> and google analytics blocker
[19:28] <TheCheggs> HA TAKE THAT GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK!
[19:28] <bioterror> Ghostery tells too stuff
[19:30] <AMIGAS> oh
[19:33] <wxl> you should only use wget for grabbing web pages
[19:33] <wxl> just kidding :D
[19:33] <TheCheggs> brb lads
[19:47] <TheCheggs> man i love lxde
[19:47] <TheCheggs> and i love lubuntu
[19:51] <phillw> TheCheggs: glad you like it.
[19:52] <TheCheggs> :)
[20:12] <doogiekd1> dear friends, this multimedia keyboard problem is driving me crazy! any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1952795
[20:15] <morri> quick, how do i access desktop background changing menu by terminal?
[20:15] <phillw> doogiekd1: would be so kind as to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs and raise a bug. That section does say why :)
[20:15] <wxl> phillw: are you sure this is a bug?
[20:17] <phillw> wxl: it can be changed to Wish List, but should be logged.
[20:17] <wxl> i mean did we already trouble shoot this?
[20:19] <phillw> wxl: there seems enough info on there for it to be progressed, if you think ML is better place at present it can be cc'd there, but there is only one one central place to issue requests / bugs.
[20:19] <Unit193> morri: pcmanfm --desktop-pref
[20:20] <wxl> phillw: what i'm saying is, this is a known problem?
[20:20] <morri> thanks
[20:21] <phillw> wxl: I do not recall a bug on it. but my memory of the multiude of bug reports that arrive each day is not perfect.
[20:22] <wxl> doogiekd1: have you confirmed that all of those <commands> work?
[20:22] <doogiekd1> checking now
[20:24] <doogiekd1> sorry - i forgot i checked this earlier: entering "amixer -q sset Master 3%+" in terminal gets "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"
[20:25] <wxl> there you go-- so you need that command corrected
[20:27] <doogiekd1> i tried changing the command using amixer -c 0 set Master 3%+, changing 0 to 1,2,3 as suggested on other websites but nothing works.
[20:27] <wxl> i believe you want `Master playback 3%+`
[20:29] <doogiekd1> okay, wxl (excited typing now) i'm going to change it to that.
[20:32] <doogiekd1> changed command in lxde-rc.xml to "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" and entered "openbox --restart" in terminal. did not solve issue.
[20:33] <doogiekd1> or should i have left out "amixer -q sset" ?
[20:33] <wxl> doogiekd1: again, keep trying the command in terminal to be sure that it's right before changing your config
[20:35] <doogiekd1> duh! i should know that. entering "amixer -q sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in "Unable to find simple control 'Master',0"
[20:38] <wxl> try `amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+`
[20:40] <doogiekd1> bingo? entering "amixer -c 1 sset Master playback 3%+" in terminal results in: "Simple mixer control 'Master',0   Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum   Playback channels: Mono   Limits: Playback 0 - 64   Mono: Playback 45 [70%] [-19.00dB] [on]
[20:40] <wxl> good now edit your config and try again
[20:46] <doogiekd1> wxl: bingo! you are a genius! thank you so much! this has taken me three days 2 figure out!
[20:50] <wxl> see phillw ??? not a bug!
[20:50] <wxl> no prob doogiekd1
[20:50] <wxl> btw i'd recommend popping in here with your lxde issues. #lxde is a ghost town
[20:50] <wxl> for that matter lubuntu = lxde so…
[20:50] <wxl> anywho brb
[20:50] <Unit193> Isn't it more on the other network?
[20:51] <Unit193> lubuntu != lxde, it uses LXDE.
[20:51] <doogiekd1> okay. wondering if this change pertains to me only or is this something lxde-rc.xml should default to?
[20:51] <phillw> wxl: make it a section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[20:51] <subi> loving lubuntu on my nw netbook
[20:52] <subi> had win 7
[20:52] <phillw> wxl: That way, it is there for everyone :)
[20:52] <subi> then ubuntu - too heavy
[20:53] <subi> now lubuntu - class
[20:53] <iceroot> after i translated lxkeymap into german with lp are any further steps needed so that it will hit lubuntu?
[20:53] <doogiekd1> thanx, my people.
[20:54] <iceroot> the changes are in https://translations.launchpad.net/lxkeymap/trunk
[20:56] <iceroot> Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:lxkeymap.
[20:56] <iceroot> sometimes its better to do some reading instead of spaming the channel :)
[21:12] <phillw> iceroot: dropping an email to Julien is not against the rules :) Yes, he is busy, but things to improve lubuntu are welcomed.
[22:01] <sparkz_> Hi ! I have a sound problem on my new eeepc 1215B, my sound output is automaticaly set to HDMI, how could i change it to speakers ?
[22:37] <ryah> Hi. I am trying to use lubuntu with a different window manager (i3). What should I launch when i3 starts so that I have all the normal services. So far I'm only doing xfce-power-manager and nm-applet
[22:38] <ryah> I see there is a lxsession command...


[14:04] <cyphermox> ogasawara: hi; did the security team review and OK linux-aws for main yet?
[14:05] <cyphermox> (I'm doing the MIR review)
[14:05] <ogasawara> cyphermox: I know we were discussing with them about it moving to Main, but I don't know if they have actually done the review.
[14:05] <ogasawara> tyhicks: ^^
[14:07] <ogasawara> I'm hopeful that the review should be relatively straight forward since it's based on the stock xenial distro kernel
[14:07] <cyphermox> right
[14:18] <tyhicks> ogasawara, cyphermox: hey - we haven't done a review yet
[14:19] <tyhicks> ogasawara, cyphermox: like you mentioned, we're not going to do any sort of in depth review
[14:19] <cyphermox> tyhicks: I'm not looking for an in-depth review necessarily, but at least acknowledgement that this is ok as a MIR
[14:20] <cyphermox> rubber-stamping if that's what you want to do is fine by me, as long as somebody has looked at the bug
[14:20] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws/+bug/1672850
[14:20] <tyhicks> cyphermox: it is ok as a MIR - we have full confidence in the kernel team more than capably supporting the package
[14:20] <cyphermox> :)
[14:21] <tyhicks> ack from security
[14:21] <cyphermox> ogasawara: so all that is missing is a team subscriber I think, for linux-aws bugs
[14:22] <ogasawara> cyphermox: oh, that should be ~canonical-kernel-team, I can get that done
[14:24] <apw> ogasawara, actually i don't think we use that one for that, there is another one
[14:24] <ogasawara> apw: ah, ok, /me waits
[14:25] <apw> i am sure slangasek added them to the right one last time, now what am i thinking of
[14:26] <apw> ogasawara, i think it is ~kernel-packages
[14:27] <apw> ogasawara, which you are a member of :)
[14:28] <apw> ogasawara, yeah that is the one ... it is intended to stop us getting deluged with spam
[14:29] <ogasawara> apw: hrm, I do not see ~kernel-packages listed as an option for me to select in the drop down of teams I administer to subscribe to linux-aws
[14:29] <apw> oh you have to
[14:29] <apw> be an admin do you, asses
[14:30] <apw> bdmurray, hey ... kernel-packages, that is the launchpad group for package "we" support right?  but we cannot use it as only an admin can subscribe it
[14:30] <cyphermox> ahah oops.
[14:30] <apw> (and that is you if that isn't clear :))
[14:31] <apw> yeah, derp.  likely ~leannogasawara at least should be that
[14:40] <leitao> rtg, Can you check if my emails to kernel-team were moderated again?
[14:41] <leitao> I sent them from the subscribed email this time
[14:42] <leitao> I do not see them at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2017-March/thread.html
[15:01] <rtg> leitao, you mean this set ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2017-March/083147.html
[15:02] <leitao> rtg, yes. Thanks!
[15:02] <rtg> leitao, they came throug unmoderated
[15:02] <leitao> weird, but this set does not show up at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2017-March/thread.html
[15:02] <rtg> through*
[15:03] <leitao> rtg, nm
[15:03] <apw> leitao, does for me ... next to last thread
[15:03] <leitao> i need more coffee
[15:03] <rtg> refresh ?
[15:03] <leitao> rtg, I was looking at the top of the page.
[15:03] <leitao> we are good, sorry for the noise
[15:03] <apw> heh, i was about to say the page is in a counter-intuitive order
[15:04] <leitao> apw, yes, All the archives I read are sorted reversely
[15:11] <ogasawara> cyphermox: ok, ~kernel-packages is now subscribed
[15:12] <ogasawara> thanks to apw
[15:12] <ogasawara> bdmurray: nothing to do here now
[15:12] <apw> ogasawara, heh it was him who clued me in, so thanks go to him
[15:13] <bdmurray> ogasawara: sheesh, way to just dismiss me
[15:13] <ogasawara> :)
[15:13] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I'm glad I'm not on your team
[15:14] <ogasawara> bdmurray: well, I don't want you injuring yourself even more, not after that nasty fall off the cliff
[15:14] <bdmurray> lol
[22:24] <leitao> rtg, I found an easy way to cherry pick those patches for #1675806. It is not a clean way, tho
[22:25] <leitao> reverting ba46da7c1cc57d83f6af66bfe8f10516151c7923 and applying the KVM patchset, and then reapplying it (ba46da7c1cc57d83f6af66bfe8f10516151c7923)
[22:25] <leitao> This solve most of the problems.
[22:25] <leitao> anyway, I will try to create a clean tree next week.


[20:49] <fred_> evening folks
[20:50] <fred_> is it true that 22.04 comes with the actual nvidia drivers?
[20:54] <daftykins> i think there's something bundled but it's kinda moot when you can... update
[21:03] <fred_> thats a good point, i'll ask google when my new pc gets delivered
[21:09] <davef> When you install Ubuntu and tick the box "Install 3rd party drivers" during set-up, then yes you'll get the Nvidia driver. I was just setting up a workstation for ML, installing CUDA Toolkit causes it to downgrade the driver, requiring an apt-get --fix-missing
[21:10] <davef> Well, I say downgrade. It's a very minor revision.
[21:17] <fred_> thats good to know, thanks for sharing
[21:19] <fred_> davef, what are you doing with ML?
[21:23] <davef> Not me, but what my colleagues are doing. https://youtu.be/btWy-BAERoY?t=3416
[22:11] <zxmpi> great headline 'Google is Killing Play Movies and TV, Will Only Have Three Video Stores Left'
[22:33] <fred_> davef, thanks for sharing, interesting stuff
[22:35] <davef> No worries :)
[22:35] <davef> There's more obviously, but I can only share what's public.
[22:51] <daftykins> without crossing his palm with a box of jaffa cakes that is
[22:51] <daftykins> ;)
[23:00] <davef> quiet down, can't be sharing secrets like that 🤫
[23:03] <daftykins> xD
[23:03] <daftykins> perhaps a box of jaffa cakes will silence me...
[23:03] <penguin42> have they made you a 3d jaffa cake mask ?
[23:04] <daftykins> i think a 3D printed Hannibal Lecter (sp) mask was the only way UK Customs would let davef back in
[23:05] <penguin42> no, no, sir, we're ok with the liver and Cianti thing, but the jaffa cake....
[23:05] <daftykins> they're a national treasure!


[00:00] <layn> persia: are not a lot in ubuntu squad and try to be helpful did not want to create problems
[00:02] <persia> layn, This is triage: the key thing to keep in mind is "Before all, do no harm".  This often means it's better to ask for others opinions before doing anything, and sometimes it's better to do nothing after several hours of work just because one can't sort it (and neither can anyone else).
[00:03] <slink3r> hggdh: I upstreamed 664965
[00:04] <layn> persia:  look here! Now I found a bug in previous Bug # 618637 08/16/2010 and duplicate result has now been reported as bug # 665392 should act in this case?
[00:05] <layn> persia: mark it as duplicate?
[00:05] <layn> persia: or invalid duplicate
[00:07] <persia> bug #618637
[00:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 618637 in oss4 (Ubuntu) "package oss4-dkms 4.2-build2002-2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 (dup-of: 601342)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618637
[00:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601342 in oss4 (Ubuntu) "kernel update breaks oss4 (affects: 44) (dups: 55) (heat: 455)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601342
[00:07] <persia> bug #665392
[00:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665392 in oss4 (Ubuntu) "package oss4-dkms 4.2-build2002-2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665392
[00:07] <layn> yes
[00:08] <persia> layn, Those are slightly different: check the DpkgTerminalLog for each of 618637 and 665392
[00:09] <persia> In this case, it happens to be the same bug, but be *very* careful to check each part to make sure of duplicates, and ask if everything isn't precisely the same (unless you encountered that specific sort of issue before)
[00:10] <persia> *BUT*
[00:10] <persia> You need to look more carefully at 618637 and notice it's a duplicate of 601342.
[00:10] <persia> So the appropriate action is to set 665392 as a duplicate of 601342
[00:12] <layn> persia: in fact change the form and the version of the system I only see these differences
[00:12] <persia> You don't see the difference in kernels?
[00:13] <layn> oh yes
[00:13] <persia> Sometimes that affects things, and makes bugs not duplicate.
[00:14] <slink3r> haha, 664657 doesn't even seem like a bug, I think I like the way the expected result operates less than the actual result
[00:14] <persia> I've seen this specific bug before, and I know (roughly) why it is happening: at least enough to know the same fix will sort it for both linux-image-generic and linux-image-generic-pae, so if you trust me, you can mark them duplicate.  If you don't trust me, you can investigate what is happening in a bit more detail, and determine if they are the same issue.
[00:14] <layn> persia: then confirm it is not a duplicate and is valid
[00:15] <persia> I think 665392 is duplicate to 601342, but you're triaging 665392, so it matters what *you* think is right (although It's always good to check with others)
[00:18] <slink3r> but I can see where they're coming from
[00:22] <layn> persia:  I'm sure
[00:25] <layn> persia: in fact it is reported the same bug I agree with you then mark duplicate persia
[00:28] <persia> layn, OK.  Go ahead and mark the duplicate, and now look for another bug.
[00:28] <persia> I have to head off soon, but maybe someone else can review if you have questions.
[00:28] <layn> persia: ok
[00:29] <layn> persia: marked
[00:31] <RedSingularity> micahg:  There was a corruption in their folder so i had them remove the whole folder.  I warned it would delete all their preferences though.  He didnt seem to mind.....
[00:33] <layn> persia: now I'm considering this report Bug # 665398
[00:34] <layn> #665398
[00:40] <layn> hey guy I report a bug in progress while I rate?
[00:42] <layn> persia: I report a bug in progress while I rate?
[00:43] <hggdh> layn: no, you do not.
[00:43] <layn> hggdh: ok
[00:44] <layn> hggdh: you a quick way to identify possible duplicates?
[00:45] <hggdh> layn: no, you have to look at each one
[00:46] <layn> hggdh: I had thought but I was hoping you would tell me to
[00:46] <layn> #665398
[00:49] <hggdh> bug 665398
[00:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665398 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "difficulty to read not installed software line (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665398
[00:50] <hggdh> layn: I do not know, I do not run KDE
[00:51] <layn> hggdh: I'm trying to package but I am not having the problem described
[00:51] <layn> hggdh: also runs on ubuntu
[00:53] <hggdh> layn: Ubuntu comes in many flavours: Ubuntu itself (Gnome), Kubuntu (KDE) Xubuntu (lightweight X), etc
[00:53] <hggdh> layn: I run Ubuntu, not kubuntu.
[00:54] <layn> hggdh: actually the writing is clear that describe the software installed but not so much I almost could not be read the report as invalid what do you think?
[00:55] <layn> hggdh: I know the versions of Ubuntu and Ubuntu well enough to be able to distinguish
[00:55] <layn> :)
[00:55] <yofel_> layn: the kubuntu team only tracks kubuntu specific and/or serious bugs in KDE on launchpad. For most bugs you report the bug at bugs.kde.org and set the launchpad task invalid
[00:56] <layn> I believe that those who reported the bug to be a bit blind. I'm testing
[00:57] <layn> yofel: I do not know even if the package runs on ubuntu, not only on kde?
[00:57] <yofel> layn: just tested it here, it uses the 'Invactive Text' color which is supposed to be a bit less visible
[00:58] <yofel> layn: I use kubuntu - kpackagekit should work fine on ubuntu too though (will pull in kde libs though)
[00:58] <yofel> *inactive text
[00:59] <layn> is in fact even I have noticed the text slightly so clearly point out the invalid
[01:00] <yofel> well, it would probably be a valid wishlist bug on bugs.kde.org if you or the reporter want to report it there
[01:02] <layn> yofel: How do I report on bugs.kde.org wishlist?
[01:04] <yofel> layn: you'll need an accounc (it's bugzilla)  - on https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi click on full list -> kpackagekit and follow the instructions
[01:05] <layn> yofel: ok
[03:59] <RedSingularity> Anyone here work with Virtualbox?
[03:59] <RedSingularity> Bugs I mean
[04:16] <crimsun> RedSingularity: a veces
[04:16] <crimsun> err
[04:16] <crimsun> RedSingularity: yes, sometimes
[04:16] <nigelb> heh
[04:17] <RedSingularity> do you know of a bug that prevents guest additions from installing in 10.10 guest
[04:17] <nigelb> cat on your keyboard?
[04:17] <nigelb> g41
[04:21] <vish> nigelb: now on yours? ;)
[04:21] <crimsun> RedSingularity: no; can you reproduce the symptom?
[04:23] <nigelb> vish: that's usual irssi mistake
[04:23] <vish> nigelb: no cats? :(
[04:24]  * nigelb hates cats with a passion
[04:25] <vish> nigelb: haha! more to eat for me! ;p
[04:25] <RedSingularity> crimsun:  Yeah but i suspect anyone can with a 10.10 vbox install
[04:28] <crimsun> RedSingularity: have a y,ou filed a bug report with steps to reproduce the symptom?
[04:28] <crimsun> err, my grammar is shot this evening
[04:28] <RedSingularity> crimsun:  I am going to see if anyone has done so already.  If not i will.
[04:44] <RedSingularity> I have a bug that seems like its worth "wishlist".  Anyone care to look?
[04:44] <RedSingularity> bug 638744
[04:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638744 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Restart to complete update" should not be signaled until the update is still running (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638744
[04:44] <RedSingularity> It is "confirmed" as well
[04:48] <RedSingularity> Mark as triaged?
[04:55] <crimsun> RedSingularity: no
[04:55] <crimsun> it is a wishlist item, however.
[04:55] <RedSingularity> Cannot mark as triaged tho?
[04:59] <RedSingularity> crimsun:  Can you mark wishlist for me if it cannot be marked triaged?
[05:01] <crimsun> retitled and wishlisted
[05:01] <RedSingularity> crimsum:  Thanks  :)
[05:02] <crimsun> yw
[06:13] <RedSingularity> crimsun:  I filed the report on virtualbox if you want to look, bug 665449
[06:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665449 in virtualbox-guest-additions (Ubuntu) "Guest additions dont work in 10.10 guest (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665449
[06:15] <crimsun> I can try to look in a bit
[06:27] <rusivi> RedSingularity: While that's being hashed out, may want to update to 3.2.8 or compile 3.2.10 (I compiled works like a charm).
[07:49] <shadeslayer> crimsun: coming to UDS?
[08:07] <nigelb> crimsun: he is, but not on all days
[12:22] <yabruss> Hello
[12:24] <yabruss> Just wondering if it is possible to have gnome and kde intalled on same PC ? I don't see menu to choose your desktop manager into the Lucid 10.04 connection splash screen.
[12:25] <ssj6akshat> you can install KDE by installing Kubuntu Desktop from the software centre
[12:26] <ssj6akshat> you will see the box to choose desktop environment in the lower right corner of login screen
[12:28] <PascalFR> anyone has eth which uses e1000e on maverick ?
[12:34] <PascalFR> bug #660302
[12:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660302 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu) "e1000e ethernet link down (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660302
[12:42]  * yofel has 2 - but one pc works fine on boot and is never suspended and the other one is on wireless most of the time
[12:43] <yofel> ifconfig shows eth0 as up though
[13:28] <bilalakhtar> Oh, someone trolled on bug #1
[13:28] <algnod> hi all, I need someone to please set Bug #660259 to triaged, thank you
[13:28] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 1 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 is private
[13:28] <ubot2> algnod: Bug 660259 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/660259 is private
[13:29] <bilalakhtar> Is LP down?
[13:29] <algnod> its working for me
[13:29]  * bilalakhtar checks launchpadstatus
[13:29] <algnod> but my bug is not marked as private
[13:29] <bilalakhtar> ah
[13:29] <bilalakhtar> Edge servers are not working
[13:29] <algnod> what are the Edge servers?
[13:30] <bilalakhtar> edge.launchpad.net
[13:30] <bilalakhtar> okay, I managed to open
[13:30] <bilalakhtar> Edge is a beta version of latest Launchpad
[13:31] <yofel> edge works fine here, probably it's just the fact that for the bot 'private' and 'conn. timeout' are the same
[13:31] <PascalFR> for e1000e the test is  modprobe -r / modprobe   then link stays down
[13:32] <yofel> PascalFR: stays up here (00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 06))
[13:33] <PascalFR> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
[13:34] <bilalakhtar> I am getting timeouts when I post comments on edge
[13:34] <bilalakhtar> I disabled edge now
[13:34] <persia> Might ask in #launchpad rather than claiming it's down here.
[13:35] <PascalFR> eth works with K2.6.32-25.44  random work with k2.6.35-22.35
[13:36] <PascalFR> what package name is ubuntu 10.10 kernel in launchpad ?
[13:36] <algnod> bump:  Hi all, I need someone to please set Bug #660259 to triaged, thank you
[13:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660259 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) "dictionary app. won't execute word look up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660259
[13:36] <persia> PascalFR, "linux"
[13:36] <yofel> PascalFR: 'linux' for all releases
[13:37] <yofel> PascalFR: did you test the current mainline kernel? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.36-maverick/
[13:38] <PascalFR> ha thanks I lost the url for mainline kernels   difficult to find it on ubuntu wiki !
[13:52] <algnod> bump: Hi all, I need someone to please set Bug #660259 to triaged, thank you
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660259 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) "dictionary app. won't execute word look up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660259
[13:53] <bilalakhtar> algnod: saw my comment on it?
[13:54] <algnod> bilalakhtar, no, sorry i missed it
[13:55] <slinker> can anyone set 665397 to triaged?
[13:58] <algnod> bilalakhtar, so do i set it to to invalid? Sometimes dict does not give any feedback at all, the word definition window just stays white. Whatabout an offline fallback?
[13:58] <bilalakhtar> algnod: Leave it at Confirmed or re-title it to 'Add an alternative to dict.com' and then triage
[14:01] <algnod> bilalakhtar, i've retitled the bug, but I would need you to change the status. Thanks for the help!
[14:01]  * bilalakhtar changes
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> algnod: done
[14:06] <algnod> bilalakhtar thanks!
[17:49] <crimsun> ugh.  This is no fun.  We now have two distinct bug symptoms for maverick-proposed's alsa-utils.
[17:49] <crimsun> just for historical screenscraping, all reports that have 'package alsa-utils 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.3 failed to install/upgrade' in their titles are dupes of 664645
[17:50] <crimsun> however, all reports that have 'package alsa-utils 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.4 failed to install/upgrade' in their titles are dupes of 665416
[17:55] <penguin42> yeuch
[17:55] <crimsun> it looks like people will need to manually install 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.4, because 665416 really is just 664645 with a different mask
[18:22] <penguin42> hmm I wonder if I ever reported that; I have a problem with Flash+KVM audio - haven't got a clue where the problem lies
[18:26] <ssj6akshat> why can't other bug trackers be as readable as Launchpad's.
[18:29] <penguin42> ssj6akshat: I think we have more bug reporters and trackers than most other bug trackers so it's probably forced it a bit more
[18:30] <ssj6akshat> my eyes get damaged whenever I see bugzilla
[18:32] <crimsun> penguin42: I don't think I've seen one recently, but since I triage hundreds of bugs regularly...
[18:33] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm not sure what to report it against; it's I have flash audio playing and I start a kvm guest it gets a weird ~15 secondish echo on the flash audio
[18:33] <crimsun> penguin42: 64-bit host with 64-bit Flash "squared"?
[18:34] <penguin42> crimsun: 64-bit host with 32-bit flash in nspluginwrapper in chrome
[18:36] <crimsun> penguin42: hmm, can you try purging flashplugin-installer and manually dropping in the 64-bit plugin?
[18:36] <penguin42> yeh, I'll try that a bit later
[18:38] <penguin42> crimsun: It's a very odd echo, it really is like an echo in the sense you can hear the new audio and the repeat
[19:00] <mahen> hi
[19:01] <ssj6akshat> mahen, do you need any help
[19:02] <mahen> Hi ssj6akshat, well not really, just read the triaging bugs and asked for a mentor ; I have a couple of minutes so I thought I would just come to see what is happening :)
[19:02] <mahen> thanks
[19:02] <ssj6akshat> mahen, no prob
[22:07] <Shayon> hello all
[22:50] <ghost68writer> Hi, could someone please set the status of bug #500125 for package 'python-uniconvertor (ubuntu)' to triaged and the importance to 'low'? The bug is fixed upstream (in UniConvertor 1.1.5), so the debian/ubuntu package needs to be updated...
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 500125 in python-uniconvertor (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "lost dimensions in hpgl ( "selfscaling" ) (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500125
[22:53] <ghost68writer> Bug #637800 is a request to update the package (python-uniconvertor), so I suppose it could also be set to status 'triaged' and importance 'low'.
[22:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637800 in python-uniconvertor (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Uniconvertor 1.1.5 released on June 2010, please update Ubuntu packages (affects: 2) (heat: 99)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637800
[22:56] <hggdh> ghost68writer: done, thank toy
[22:57] <hggdh> /stoy/you/
[22:57] <hggdh> darn!
[22:59] <obengdako> #ubuntu
[23:01] <ghost68writer> hggdh: thank you!
[23:02] <kcj> I found a website that is crashing my system. Apparently it's causing my display driver to crash. I disabled flash and java and tried again and it still crashed. Can someone help me create a bug report?
[23:03] <kcj> I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 and firefox 3.6.11
[23:04] <penguin42> kcj: After it crashes and X starts back up, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old  if it has a backtrace in it might help figure out why
[23:05] <devildante> !bugs | kcj
[23:05] <ubot2> kcj: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[23:05] <devildante> If you have any questions, feel free to ask us ;)
[23:05] <kcj> penguin42: there's a stack trace in var/log/messages
[23:06] <kcj> First time I have ever seen a kernal panic. :)
[23:07] <kcj> here is the stack trace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/518934/
[23:17] <mrand> kcj also, try without video drivers if you have any loaded
[23:18] <penguin42> kcj: OK, so report it with ubuntu-bug linux (since it's a kernel panic)
[23:18] <penguin42> kcj: It's a radeon driver bug though, Have you got desktop effects on?
[23:18] <kcj> penguin42: Okay.
[23:18] <kcj> penguin42: Yes.
[23:18] <kcj> penguin42: Turn them off?
[23:18] <penguin42> kcj: If you turn it off theres a good chance it will go away
[23:18] <kcj> ah
[23:19] <penguin42> They just push the driver hardr
[23:19] <kcj> aw
[23:19] <penguin42> kcj: Crashes in radeon_ttm_bo_destroy don't seem to be that unusual
[23:20] <kcj> penguin42: Will it be fixed?
[23:20] <penguin42> kcj: Probably, I couldn't say when - the Radeon guys have fixed a bunch of bugs in this release, and I'm sure they'll fix plenty more
[23:22] <kcj> Okay. I turned desktop effects off. I'll see if it crashes again. Wish me luck.
[23:22] <penguin42> kcj: Having reported it, you could also try the latest daily kernel builds, ask on #ubuntu-x or report it upstream to the freedesktop.org guys
[23:27] <kcj> Still crashed with desktop effects off. No kernal panic though.
[23:27] <penguin42> kcj: Interesting - anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[23:27] <kcj> penguin42: checking
[23:28] <penguin42> (still report the bug with ubuntu-bug  but this time against xserver-xorg-video-ati)
[23:29] <kcj> penguin42: What should I be looking for in Xorg.0.log.old?
[23:29] <penguin42> kcj: Can you pastebin it ?
[23:29] <kcj> penguin42: sure
[23:32] <kcj> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/518945/ There you go.
[23:32] <layn> Hi
[23:33] <penguin42> kcj: I was expecting to see a backtrace from X at the end of it - but oh well; report the bug, you could also try xorg-edgers bleeding edge X libraries
[23:33] <kcj> I'm a little on-edge about my system crashing now.
[23:35] <kcj> penguin42: There seems to be another stack trace in var/log/messages
[23:36] <kcj> Maybe my krenal did panic again.
[23:37] <penguin42> kcj: Either way report it, and you can also try #radeon I think


[06:00] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:00] <Kilos> morning inetpro skokkk bushtech Cryterion thatgraemeguy and others
[06:00] <Kilos> hi anton
[06:00] <anton> Morning
[06:00] <Kilos> i hope you have been welcomed here
[06:01] <anton> yip i see it's a very quiet bunch
[06:01] <Kilos> everyone snowed under at work
[06:01] <anton> uh hu
[06:01] <Kilos> but if you need help then just state what the prob is and be patient
[06:01] <Kilos> someone will get to it
[06:02] <anton> yip will do thanks
[06:02] <Kilos> you welcome
[06:02] <Kilos> and welcome to be here 24/7
[06:03] <anton> kewl, will mostly be connected during working after hours and if need help over the weekend will then connect
[06:07] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> hey Kilos, you all better yet?
[06:14] <Kilos> nope thatgraemeguy too much pain to to sit up and type
[06:14] <Kilos> and they say up to six weeks sigh
[06:14] <thatgraemeguy> ow :|
[06:14] <thatgraemeguy> oh wow
[06:15] <Kilos> women are wonderful creatures
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> they could at least give you some morphine :)
[06:15] <Kilos> how they servive a caesar is beyong me
[06:16] <Kilos> oh they  have but im scared when pain is gone i do something stupid and tear the mesh loose before it has grown fast
[06:16] <Kilos> so pain is actually a warning to take things easy
[06:16] <thatgraemeguy> yeah
[06:17] <thatgraemeguy> so how long does the whole thing take to 'settle'
[06:17] <Kilos> all well there?
[06:18] <Kilos> should be completely recovered in 6 weeks but no sitting bending coughing sneezing etc for min 3 weeks
[06:18] <Kilos> haha
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> sjoe, hectic
[06:18] <Kilos> yeah
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> all good here, thanks
[06:18] <Kilos> weird though walking is good
[06:19] <Kilos> but with tummy muscles resting lower back is eina
[06:19] <Kilos> sigh
[06:50] <Sxuza> morning all
[06:52] <Sxuza> if i change my current operating system and switch to linux on my Mac book , does anyone here run Linux on their Macbook ?
[06:53] <pieter2627> hello all
[06:54] <Sxuza> hi pieter2627
[06:54] <pieter2627> hi Sxuza, you new here?
[06:55] <Sxuza> yes im new here
[06:55] <Sxuza> my first day
[06:56] <pieter2627> well welcome. Hope you enjoy it so far...
[06:56] <Sxuza> if i change my current operating system and switch to linux on my Mac book , does anyone here run Linux on their Macbook ?
[06:57] <Sxuza> thats the question i posted earlier
[06:57] <Sxuza> can u comment on it
[06:57] <Sxuza> never used ubuntu before and wud like to learn fast
[06:57] <pieter2627> nope, someone once mentioned that they have a mac but can't remember who
[06:57] <anton> why do you want linux on a Mac? It's unix based anyways
[06:57] <pieter2627> Kilos ^^
[06:58] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[06:58] <pieter2627> Kilos: who has a mac again?
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Sxuza welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:59] <Sxuza> hey Kilos  :)
[06:59] <Sxuza> u guys all here in SA ?
[06:59] <Kilos> mostly
[06:59] <Kilos> we have one guy running ubuntu on his mac
[06:59] <Sxuza> o kewl :)
[07:00] <Kilos> lemme just try remember who it is
[07:00] <Sxuza> its better to chat wiff ppl from here , than to all these clowns from all overseas that u come across these irc servers
[07:01] <Kilos> most of the guys here are full time IT guy
[07:01] <Kilos> and all linux users
[07:01] <Sxuza> Kilos: well, remember i said i want to learn use linux , so mayb i shud start installing it on a V-box
[07:01] <Sxuza> which im doing now
[07:01] <Kilos> you can do that
[07:02] <Sxuza> so where u guys from , CT, PTA , JHB ?
[07:02] <Kilos> then once you are comfortable you can install it permamnently
[07:02] <pieter2627> Sxuza: is there something specific that you want to learn?
[07:02] <Kilos> al over za, most in CT
[07:02] <pieter2627> and a cluster in PTA
[07:02] <Kilos> take over pieter2627 please i gotta sit up to type
[07:03] <pieter2627> oops forgot, sorry Kilos
[07:03] <Kilos> np
[07:03] <Kilos> and Sxuza you are welcome here 24/7 hey
[07:04] <Kilos> Cryterion are you the one with the mac
[07:04] <Kilos> ?
[07:04] <Cryterion> No am not sorry
[07:05] <Kilos> oh Sxuza just remember the guys are all at work so you have to be patient at times for replies
[07:05]  * pieter2627 wbb soon
[07:05] <Kilos> i wonder who it is
[07:05] <MaNI> if its a modern mac then there isn't really much different from a regular pc
[07:05] <Kilos> someone near the top of the nicks list
[07:05] <Kilos> not here yet i think
[07:21] <Sxuza> network problems
[07:23] <pieter2627> no response yet Sxuza, might have to wait for a coffee break or something...
[07:23] <Sxuza> thanks pieter2627
[07:23] <Sxuza> so where u from ?
[07:24] <pieter2627> PTA
[07:24] <pieter2627> and yourself?
[07:24] <Sxuza> im from East London
[07:24] <Sxuza> and the other ppl are also from PTA / JHB ?
[07:25] <Sxuza> or are there other ppl from down here ?
[07:26] <pieter2627> I know a few are close to Durbs
[07:27] <Sxuza> o ok
[07:30] <Sxuza> u guys are working or studying ?
[07:40] <MaNI> can't speak for anyone else but I'm working, also I'm from CT - it is a group of random people so I imagine at least some of them are probably studying :p
[07:41] <Sxuza> ok cool MaNI , nice to meet u
[07:41] <Sxuza> i am also working down here , but hasnt used linux before
[07:46] <MaNI> well always good to learn something new, hope you like it
[08:06]  * pieter2627 falls in the study group
[08:11] <Sxuza> falls ,lol
[08:11] <Sxuza> u tripped ?
[08:12] <pieter2627> no, well pretended to :P
[09:32] <Sxuza> has the line up for the rugby match been named?
[09:32] <Sxuza> think they said @ 11
[09:37] <Cryterion> Anyone know of any good open source cad options for Ubuntu, getting frustrated with using Autocad now?
[09:38] <Sxuza> ure using it to what exactly ?
[09:38] <Sxuza> the drawings , what field of skill ?
[09:39] <Cryterion> Mainly 2d and Isometric, mechanical drawings etc
[09:40] <Sxuza> o ok
[09:40] <Cryterion> Steel fabrication, laser cutting layouts
[09:40] <Sxuza> sorry i thought u might be needing it for electricl
[09:40] <Sxuza> o ok
[09:40] <Cryterion> Electrical as well, but can do the electrical on a 2d cad system
[09:42] <Sxuza> Elmer is an open source computational tool for multi-physics .... Graphiteone - 3D and 2D commercial mechanical engineering CAD
[09:42] <Sxuza> just saw that on google
[09:42] <Sxuza> see if u can get ur hands on t
[09:42] <Cryterion> will have a look tks
[10:48] <anton> Dam you Afrihost
[11:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[11:13] <inetpro> Kilos: wasn't it stickyboy?
[11:13] <inetpro> the one using a mac
[11:17] <Sxuza> does anyone here know or have seen how the lineup looks like for the Saturday WC game ?
[11:30] <inetpro> Sxuza: https://twitter.com/Rugbyworldmag/status/656761565635608576
[11:31] <inetpro> Sxuza: just Victor Matfield getting the nod ahead of Pieter-Steph du Toit on the bench
[11:32] <Sxuza> so is Mattfield in ?
[11:33] <Sxuza> o ok , on the bench
[11:35] <Cryterion> ww.rugbyworldcup.com/match/14214#stats
[11:35] <Cryterion> http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/match/14214#stats
[11:36] <inetpro> Lood de Jager will undergo a late fitness test on Friday before a call on his availability is made
[11:37] <inetpro> should de Jager be unable to play, Victor Matfield will start with Pieter-Steph du Toit on the bench
[11:38]  * inetpro hoping that Lood will be ready
[11:45] <Sxuza> i hope so too
[11:46] <Sxuza> even thou Victor played well , cause he did do his best and mayb has the last piece of good performance that he wants to give SA
[11:48] <Kilos> nono
[11:51] <Kilos> wbb mb meeting
[11:58] <Kilos> TinuvaMac are you a mac user
[11:58] <TinuvaMac> yeah i am
[11:58] <Kilos> can you advise Sxuza please
[11:59] <Kilos> Sxuza you still awake?
[12:00] <Sxuza> yip im awake
[12:01] <Sxuza> was onda phone
[12:01] <Sxuza> thanks for the follow up Kilos
[12:01] <Kilos> np tell TinuvaMac what you want to do
[12:01] <Sxuza> TinuvaMac: u there ?
[12:01] <Sxuza> o ok
[12:02] <Kilos> im sure he will have advise
[12:02] <Sxuza> was just thinking of trying a new operating system on my MAC
[12:02] <Kilos> just remember to be patient
[12:02] <Kilos> state which mac as well
[12:02] <Sxuza> and thought before i  do that i shud ask someone that has done it before
[12:03] <Sxuza> MACbook Air
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> ive only ever used osx on my mac
[12:03] <Sxuza> ure not using linux on it ?
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> and the little i have read up on installing linux on a mac, it seemed like a bit of a mission
[12:03] <Sxuza> o ok
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> the mission is if you want to keep osx and linux at the same time
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> otherwise, if you wipe osx it should mostly just work
[12:04] <TinuvaMac> except for wireless, depends on what wireless is in there
[12:04] <Sxuza> thats what i wanted to do, i wanted to keep them both at the same time
[12:04] <Sxuza> thats why i wanted to ask
[12:05] <Sxuza> then again, i dont have any specific reason but just wanted to teach myself on how to use Linux
[12:08] <TinuvaMac> if linux is what you want to learn, you can start by just using the terminal in osx
[12:08] <TinuvaMac> thats what i use mostly on osx anyway
[12:17] <Sxuza> sorry ,  i had a customer
[12:18] <Sxuza> oh yea , installed V-box on my machine the other day
[12:18] <Sxuza> gonna try that also
[12:18] <Sxuza> i installed ubuntu , its running
[13:02] <MaNI> can't imagine its that big of a mission - you just need an alternative boot loader like clover or whatever
[13:02] <MaNI> if you want to go linux only then its really no different than any other machine - macs stopped having anything unique about them ages ago - unless we are talking some old PPC mac or something here?
[13:03] <Sxuza> TinuvaMac: so are u using textual on ur MAC ?
[13:05] <TinuvaMac> lime chat for irc
[13:06] <Sxuza> o ok
[13:06] <Sxuza> im using textual , changed from linechat
[13:07] <Sxuza> upgrade ,lol
[13:10] <TinuvaMac> textual is only free for 30 days
[13:10] <TinuvaMac> im not used to buying apps
[13:10] <TinuvaMac> so lime chat is free forever
[13:11] <Sxuza> i get u , but when i found out textual is only R60 forever , and the custom settings it come with , to me i felt its nothing
[13:12] <Sxuza> instead of buying a bottle of brandy , i bot this and got change
[13:15] <Kilos> lol
[13:18] <Sxuza> aint i right Kilos ?
[13:27] <Kilos> yip
[13:28] <Kilos> booze is a big waste of hard earned money
[13:49] <Sxuza> how to improve your day on facebook   1.) Find a picture of your friends baby on facebook. 2.) Comment with "What kind of cat is that" 3.)Then wait ....
[14:46] <Trixar_za> I would have bought the brandy for a few rand more myself
[15:07] <MaNI> something seems incredibly wrong about paying for IRC
[15:08] <MaNI> apple could probably convince their users to pay for air, it's so weird
[15:32] <TinuvaMac> MaNI: but it is not apple selling that irc app
[15:32] <TinuvaMac> that said, I agree, something is wrong paying for an irc app
[16:17] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, no not Apple directly selling the app, but it is a general mindset that apple customers tend to have and/or apple have managed to cultivate
[16:18] <MaNI> people even pay for ODBC drivers on osx its bizarre :p
[16:18] <Trixar_za> Well, that's not completely fair. Microsoft and Android have done the same with the smart phone market.
[17:38] <Kilos-> so many power outs in one avy
[17:38] <Kilos-> sigh
[17:39] <Kilos-> thanks for helping the new guy MaNI TinuvaMac
[17:39] <Kilos-> hi Trixar_za long time no see
[17:39] <Kilos-> and im about to give up for the day
[17:39] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos-, yeah I've been busy with things. Well, people more like it. Seeing less of said people, so I'm here more.
[17:40] <Trixar_za> I should be working on stuff, but I'm not :/
[17:40] <Kilos-> ah
[17:41] <Kilos-> just remember what you dont do today will still be there tomorrow
[17:41] <Kilos-> all good otherwise Trixar_za ?
[17:41] <Trixar_za> Yes, and you know what they say. Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow.
[17:41] <Kilos-> lol
[17:42] <Trixar_za> I'm doing better yeah
[17:42] <Kilos-> good
[17:42] <Trixar_za> I lost 9kg - still 9kg away from 75kg which is a 'good weight', but getting closer
[17:42] <Kilos-> wow
[17:42] <Trixar_za> Mostly just walking an hour a day, drinking lots of water and limiting my foot intake
[17:43] <Trixar_za> Carbinated drinks are really bad - filled with sugar too. Not the good kind either - it gets turned straight into fat rather than getting burned. So I'm mostly avoiding them
[17:47] <Kilos-> dupingping welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:47] <Kilos-> guys meet the newest ubuntu member
[17:47] <dupingping> :) thank you, very much.
[17:47] <Kilos-> a lady from china
[17:47] <dupingping> nice to meet you, guys.
[17:48] <Kilos-> sometimes we chat in afrikaans here so dont be shocked
[17:48] <dupingping> oh
[17:48] <Kilos-> pieter2627 inetpro ^^
[17:49] <Kilos-> not often though dupingping mainly when we are joking with each other
[17:49] <Kilos-> very friendly helpfull channel this
[17:49] <dupingping> yes, i think so.
[17:53] <Kilos-> i started my ubuntu carrear here and made good friends then started the africa channel and made more friends now i have friends world wide
[17:53] <pieter2627> hi dupingping, welcome to our channel
[17:53] <dupingping> pieter2627, nice to meet you.
[17:54] <pieter2627> or was that to help Trixar_za lose weight Kilos- :P
[17:54] <dupingping> Kilos-, ubuntu carrear?
[17:54] <Kilos-> lol no he is doing a good job on his own
[17:54] <Kilos-> um
[17:55] <dupingping> Kilos-, do you have jobs to career?
[17:55] <Kilos-> well i started on ubuntu here, i knew very little about computers even
[17:55] <dupingping> yes.
[17:55] <Kilos-> now i can even help new users
[17:56] <dupingping> yes, i understand.
[17:58] <Kilos-> pieter2627 you must chat to dupingping she is clever and has 2 apps in ubuntu
[17:58] <pieter2627> wow, dupingping what are they written in?
[17:59] <dupingping> Ubuntu Dock and Sticky Notes
[17:59] <dupingping> Can you find them on Ubuntu Software Center?
[18:00] <pieter2627> yes, (or the terminal)?
[18:00] <dupingping> They are all for Desktop GUI apps.
[18:01] <Kilos-> i think superfly uses stickynotes
[18:01] <dupingping> written by C and GTK3
[18:02] <Kilos-> dupingping do you mind if we help you correct your english
[18:02] <pieter2627> none written with the new SDK.. bumper
[18:02] <Kilos-> ?
[18:02] <dupingping> yes, please.
[18:03] <Kilos-> should be written in C and GTK3
[18:03] <dupingping> oh, correct.
[18:03] <Kilos-> we are here to help
[18:03] <dupingping> written by my hands.
[18:03] <Kilos-> yes
[18:03] <dupingping> yes, that's good.
[18:04] <dupingping> And i can help them, too.
[18:04] <Kilos-> that would be nice
[18:04] <Kilos-> ty
[18:08] <Kilos-> hi Cryterion
[18:10] <Cryterion> Hi, how you feeling
[18:10] <Kilos-> good ty
[18:10] <Kilos-> say hi to dupingping
[18:10] <Cryterion> that's good
[18:11] <dupingping> Cryterion, hi
[18:11] <Cryterion> hi dupingping
[18:11] <dupingping> Cryterion, nice to meet yoy
[18:11] <Cryterion> same
[18:11] <dupingping> yoy, you
[18:11] <Cryterion> lol
[18:11] <Kilos-> Cryterion dupingping is a lady geek in china
[18:11] <dupingping> I wish we help each other.
[18:12] <Kilos-> newest ubuntu member
[18:12] <dupingping> heh
[18:12] <Cryterion> kwl
[18:12] <Cryterion> Everyone here helps each other
[18:12] <dupingping> i like ubuntu.
[18:12] <dupingping> i think that all like ubuntu.
[18:13]  * Cryterion has 1 more piece of software to find then he's completely open-source
[18:14] <Cryterion> maaz tell Sxuza LibraCad seems to be what I was looking for earlier
[18:14] <Maaz_> Cryterion: Okay, I'll tell Sxuza on freenode
[18:14] <Kilos-> dupingping maaz is our python bot
[18:15] <Cryterion> Maaz Please get a beer
[18:15] <Maaz_> Cryterion: *blink*
[18:15] <dupingping> wow,
[18:15] <Cryterion> maaz coffee
[18:15] <Maaz_> Cryterion: coffee is liquid code
[18:15] <dupingping> wow, Maaz_
[18:15] <Maaz_> dupingping: Sorry...
[18:15] <Kilos-> makes nice cyber coffee and records our meetings
[18:15] <dupingping> yeah.
[18:15] <Kilos-> Maaz_ coffee on
[18:15]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[18:16] <dupingping> Can i make a python bot, too?
[18:16] <Cryterion> hmm, it's coffee on
[18:16] <Kilos-> if you want cyber coffee you type in Maaz_ coffee please
[18:16] <dupingping> I'm a python 2.7 professor.
[18:16] <pieter2627> Maaz_: coffee please
[18:16] <Maaz_> pieter2627: Sure
[18:16] <Cryterion> there's plenty examples around
[18:16] <dupingping> Maaz_, coffee please
[18:16] <Maaz_> dupingping: Okay
[18:16] <Kilos-> superfly is our python expert here
[18:17] <Cryterion> Maaz: beer please
[18:17] <Maaz_> Hidden in the back of the fridge Cryterion
[18:17] <Kilos-> and tumbleweed but he is in silicon valley now
[18:17] <dupingping> superfly, nice to meet you.
[18:17]  * pieter2627 has plants that need some coffee fertilizer - hope they like cyber :P
[18:17] <Cryterion> Maaz_ Why you hidding the beer?
[18:17] <Maaz_> Cryterion: Sorry...
[18:17] <Kilos-> dupingping you can see the code for ibid in the repos
[18:18] <Kilos-> needs upgrading but everyone is too busy nowadays
[18:19] <dupingping> yes, ibid
[18:19] <Kilos-> needs upgrading to python 3 i think
[18:19] <dupingping> i'm a beginner for ibid, but let me see.
[18:19] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos-, pieter2627 and dupingping!
[18:19] <Kilos-> Maaz_ ty
[18:19] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos-
[18:20] <pieter2627> Maaz_: thanks
[18:20] <Maaz_> pieter2627: Sure
[18:20] <dupingping> yes,
[18:20] <pieter2627> Maaz_: ice cubes please
[18:20] <Maaz_> pieter2627: *blink*
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <dupingping> Kilos, current ibid based on python 2.7?
[18:20] <Kilos> somewhere there
[18:20] <dupingping> So needs to run on python 3, right?
[18:20] <dupingping> i see.
[18:20] <Kilos> i dont know anything about code
[18:21] <Kilos> im old
[18:21] <pieter2627> dupingping: they talked about rewriting it in 3...
[18:21] <dupingping> yes, will check and try by myself.
[18:21] <dupingping> pieter2627, i see.
[18:21] <pieter2627> or weight in as to why to write it in 3
[18:21] <Kilos> we will all love you if you do the upgrade for us
[18:22] <dupingping> wow, thank you.
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe
[18:22] <pieter2627> and we are here to help (learn) too
[18:22] <dupingping> let me try do my best.
[18:22] <dupingping> i'll here too.
[18:22] <Kilos> its quite a big job
[18:23] <dupingping> i think so
[18:24] <pieter2627> dupingping: do you know nikola?
[18:25] <dupingping> i don't know nikola.
[18:25] <dupingping> who is?
[18:25] <Kilos> dupingping https://ubuntu-za.org
[18:26] <Kilos> thats our site built on nikola
[18:26] <pieter2627> no, it is a static website generator (written in python) that we use on our site
[18:27] <dupingping> oh, i understand.
[18:29] <dupingping> my time is so late now. am going to my bed.
[18:29] <dupingping> very pleasure meeting you today.
[18:29] <Kilos> that site and http://ubuntu-africa.info were built by the guys here
[18:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <dupingping> yes, i'll remember.
[18:29] <Kilos> ty for visiting
[18:29] <dupingping> And can i join to develop the sites?
[18:30] <Kilos> yes im sure
[18:30] <dupingping> really?
[18:30] <dupingping> that's good.
[18:30] <Kilos> when superfly has finished his latest project you two must chat
[18:31] <Kilos> he is our python man
[18:31] <Kilos> and nikola man
[18:31] <dupingping> yes, i'll chat with superfly when you available.
[18:31] <dupingping> i'll work and learn for us.
[18:31] <pieter2627> battery almost dead, see again tomorrow
[18:31] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight pieter2627
[18:32] <dupingping> pieter2627, see you.
[18:32] <dupingping> Kilos, see you.
[18:32] <Kilos> night dupingping
[18:32] <dupingping> have a nice dream.
[18:32] <Kilos> ty you too
[18:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:43] <Trixar_za> Goodnite Kilos


[02:07] <nhandler> I want to try a voodoo donut (I saw them on Man vs Food)
[07:47] <bkerensa> Nom
[15:43] <pleia2> ok, email off to summary writers
[15:44] <pleia2> a bit of a lean issue this week, but we'll make up for it in alpha3 stuff next week I'm sure


[23:14] <hays> do the dailies pass all the tests?
[23:58] <guiverc> hays, i'm not sure what you're asking, but if certain steps fail during build dailies won't be created so it's passed those tests.. issues can be experienced with dailies which is why iso.qa.ubuntu.com or the ISO tracker & dailies are created
[23:59] <hays> was poking around and i think i grabbed the one that's passed tests -- ttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/jammy-desktop-arm64.iso.zsync