[00:04] <Riddell> nixternal: talking of kppp   -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-27 23:19 /usr/bin/kppp
[00:04] <Riddell> I realise I'm not in dip
[00:04] <Riddell> so it's not set up for normal users
[00:04] <nixternal> heh
[00:06] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: shit, we don't say Kubuntu 10.04 is LTS at all either
[00:06] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Yeah... I saw that bug and my heart stopped.
[00:07] <Riddell> ?
[00:07] <nixternal> oh well
[00:07] <Riddell> oh, docs
[00:07] <nixternal> Riddell: we forgot to mention in the docs that Kubuntu 10.04 is LTS
[00:07] <Riddell> it'll be in plenty other places
[00:07] <nixternal> don't think it is important as...yeah what Riddell said
[00:07] <DarkwingDuck> But, not all of it is... Netbook isn't an LTS
[00:07] <nixternal> we won't release Netbook as LTS
[00:08]  * amichair pokes Riddell
[00:08] <nixternal> Kubuntu Netbook Remix. doesn't qualify for LTS until it is Kubuntu Netbook Edition
[00:08] <maco> dontyou mean "since it's no longer KNE"?
[00:09] <nixternal> doesn't really matter honestly
[00:09] <maco> nixternal: pssst swearing's not allowed in devel channels either, as certain IRCC people have pointed out sometimes *eyes jussi*
[00:09] <maco> nixternal: why'd they take away the E again?
[00:10] <nixternal> I don't care, as I will remove their membership of everything on LP if they even thought about doing something
[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[00:10] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: woke up on the wrong side of the web
[00:10] <nixternal> maco: I think because Edition made it sound stable or official or something
[00:16] <nixternal> new k-d-s uploaded with the new plymouth theme...it would be great if we could get a real artist to do us something kick ass...seriously, all I am doing is inserting the image into gimp, and adding a drop shadown with no x or y variance, a shadow size of 15, white color, 80% opacity
[00:16] <nixternal> it takes me all of 30 seconds to create a new image, and I don't think that is good enough for us
[00:18] <amichair> nixternal: it's not how long it takes, it's how much love you put in :-)
[00:18] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get the OpenWeek email?
[00:18] <nixternal> lol
[00:18] <nixternal> 30 seconds of loving, sounds a bit much :p
[00:19] <nixternal> that was wrong on so many levels
[00:19] <amichair> hehe
[00:20] <Riddell> I did, didn't see anything about seconds
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: How far do you want to take this LoCo Contacts thingie
[00:23] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: in what respect?
[00:23] <DarkwingDuck> You want to setup contacts or, a community within the community...
[00:24] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I don't follow
[00:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: What happened to kwwiii? He used to do artwork for us...
[00:26] <Riddell> he's mostly busy on ubuntu desktop
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I was thinking of just gathering a list of names for LoCo Kubuntu members but, I was thinking of going a bit deeper then that... Almost like a LoCo for Kubuntu with representatives in the LoCos. like a Kommunity Kollective
[00:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I just didn't know how deep you wanted to go with it.
[00:27] <nixternal> ryanakca: he has been tainted with visions of aubergine
[00:27] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: some places may want a Kubuntu loco, like Germany has, but in general we just want a contact or two in each loco for kubuntu
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: roger
[00:28] <nixternal> Riddell: no, the seconds was talking about the logo for plymouth with amichair :)
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'll write up a proposal.
[00:28] <nixternal> Riddell: you want to do a session? I have been asked to do a Kubuntu one, but you are the fearless leader, so I figured it would be best for you to decide
[00:29] <Riddell> Trouble: ping
[00:29] <nixternal> I think we should do a "Get involved with Kubuntu" on the first or second day, then try and do a Q&A towards the end
[00:29] <Riddell> nixternal: we could do joint sessions
[00:29] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: it is hard to do a Kubuntu LoCo in the states...KDE isn't represented all that well here...hopefully it will get better in the future
[00:29] <nixternal> Riddell: right, like our last one, but I still would like to see us have at least 2 sessions
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: That's what my dream is...
[00:30] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: though, getting more US involvement has been discussed in KDE since my first @kde.org email address some 10+ years ago
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> Oh heads up... I'll be offline starting tomorrow till this weekend. I'll have my phone but, I'll be moving into my new house and I wont have internet installed till Friday.
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'm determined.
[00:31] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: thanks for the update, but I think on the doc side we are pretty much golden
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Not much else to do... It's all in the hands of the translators
[00:31] <nixternal> we have CampKDE now, but it is quite difficult for me to travel so much on a voluntary basis...I definitely don't have the money to do that
[00:31] <nixternal> right now, if it isn't in Chicago, I don't go...I had to cut back
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> I managed to go to CampKDE this year... I did a talk on Documentation. Speaking of... I need to get a hold of Jeff Mitchel and see what happened to the video of my talk
[00:33] <Riddell> rgreening: are you hacking on usb creator?
[00:40] <nixternal> Riddell: I will go ahead and send a mail to amber about openweek for us. who would you like to lead a session and what session?
[00:41] <DarkwingDuck> where is it?
[00:41] <nixternal> on irc
[00:41] <DarkwingDuck> When?
[00:41] <nixternal> May 3 through May 7
[00:42] <DarkwingDuck> ahh... Ok. BBL, food
[00:42] <nixternal> we do an open week twice a year for the community
[00:42] <DarkwingDuck> I'll try and do what I can.
[00:42] <Riddell> groovy, DarkwingDuck can do a session on getting involved in Kubuntu
[00:43] <Riddell> oh, he went
[00:43] <Riddell> that just means he can't refuse now
[00:43] <nixternal> hehe
[00:44] <nixternal> so we make him lead the "Getting Involved in Kubuntu" session, and then need one or two for a "Kubuntu Q&A" session
[00:44] <Riddell> anyone want to test 4.4.2 on karmic?
[00:44] <nixternal> what's karmic? :)
[00:44] <Riddell> we have no karmic users left :(
[00:44] <nixternal> lol
[00:44] <nixternal> Riddell: blog it?
[00:45] <nixternal> or #kubuntu
[00:47] <Riddell> hi James147
[00:48] <James147> Riddell: hey
[00:48] <nixternal> w00t, James147 you here to do some testing?
[00:48] <James147> nixternal: possibally :)
[00:48] <nixternal> woohoo! \o/
[00:48] <Riddell> James147: are you running karmic?
[00:48] <nixternal> we got one, hook um up
[00:49] <nixternal> fish on! fish on!
[00:49] <James147> Riddell: currently yes
[00:49] <Riddell> James147: what version of KDE SC?
[00:49] <James147> Riddell: 4.4.1
[00:49] <Riddell> James147: could you run system settings -> add/remove software  and install  kolf
[00:49] <James147> Riddell: will just need to finish my work first, wont take too long
[00:55] <James147> Riddell: Allready installed :p
[01:01] <James147> Riddell: needs anything else?
[01:02] <Riddell> James147: yes now we need 4.4.2
[01:02] <Riddell> James147: actually before installing 4.4.2 try installing something else with kpackagekit
[01:02] <Riddell> umbrello say
[01:04] <James147> Riddell: opps, alread updated apt :S
[01:04] <Riddell> James147: comment out the line in sources.list
[01:04] <James147> Riddell: want me to revert and start again?
[01:04] <James147> kk
[01:05] <Riddell> yes please
[01:06] <James147> Riddell: heh, have that as well, should i just install any kde package i dont already have?
[01:06] <Riddell> yeah anything
[01:09] <nixternal> Riddell: you want to do a Q&A together like we did last time?
[01:09] <nixternal> I am talking to Amber Graner now
[01:09] <nixternal> Riddell: are we going to have DarkwingDuck do the "Getting Involved in Kubuntu"?
[01:10] <nixternal> and if anyone finds any commits of mine that I did that were Qt/C++ related, please let me know
[01:10] <nixternal> never thought about having something like that handy for a job
[01:10] <nixternal> I always depended on my good looks
[01:11] <nixternal> crimsun: thanks for putting me in touch with Curtis...that job seems a bit advanced with the whole multimedia thing, but don't see it being terribly difficult overall...they have Ben Collins, and that scares me :) as long as him and I aren't in the same area together, the neighborhood will be safe
[01:12] <James147> Riddell: kk done  (kiten)... dam i have alot of kde stuff :S
[01:13] <James147> Riddell: update with the edit you gave me?
[01:13] <Riddell> James147: yes please
[01:14] <Riddell> nixternal: yes that sounds good (DarkwingDuck for getting involved and you and me for Q&A)
[01:14] <nixternal> roger that
[01:38] <maco> Guest63291: what happened to your nick, seele?
[01:40] <nixternal> she didn't auth in 30 seconds after connecting, so freenode sets your nick to GuesXXXXX
[01:40] <nixternal> GuestXXXXX
[01:41] <nixternal> Riddell: OpenWeek set. I will update you when I know more
[01:41] <James147> Riddell: Done, restarting kdm now...
[01:44] <James147> Riddell: Done... nothing has crashed yet :) quasel reports kde 4.4.2
[01:44] <Riddell> groovy
[01:45] <Riddell> James147: ok try loading kpackagekit again and installing something else
[01:45] <nixternal> https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTk2NTE4ODk   <- sign up for dropbox now!!! hook me up with 10GB of free storage :)
[01:46]  * James147 looks for something else to install
[01:47] <sithlord48> i have a QDataStream out (&file) on save but when i output my quint16 its outputs the bytes backwards, can i change to LittleEndian on the fly ? if so is out.LittleEndian<<quint16 ; correct ?
[01:48] <Riddell> sithlord48: might be better to ask on #kde-devel or a qt channel
[01:49] <nixternal> sithlord48: out>>(quit16)?
[01:49] <nixternal> i had a similar issue on an app about 2 years ago...can't remember what i did, and i can't remember the app
[01:49] <sithlord48> nexternal, yes.. quint16 is the var type
[01:49] <nixternal> i know i patched it in svn
[01:50] <sithlord48> humm
[01:51] <James147> Riddell: installed kdenlive work as it always does :)
[01:51] <Riddell> James147: did it ask for your password?
[01:51] <nixternal> use the reference of quint16?
[01:51] <James147> Riddell: huh... I don't know... dont even think about entering it anymore when useing kpackagekit :S
[01:52] <sithlord48> just got word on the qt it a maformed line
[01:52] <James147> Riddell: Tryed something else... and it dident
[01:53] <James147> Riddell: nor removal
[01:53] <Tm_T> I really wish there were more powerpc build hosts ...
[01:54]  * nixternal has a powerpc box
[01:54] <Tm_T> nixternal: donate it to canonical so I can get KDE packages faster (;
[01:54] <Riddell> James147: if you log out does KDM restart?
[01:54] <James147> Riddell: brb
[01:54] <nixternal> Tm_T: I have donated enough
[01:55] <nixternal> I think I will eat my left over pizza from last night :)
[01:56] <Tm_T> nixternal: (:
[01:57] <James147> Riddell: Yes, (clicking on restart x in KDM, Alt+print screen+k and via sudo service kdm restart <-all work)
[01:58] <James147> Riddell: as well as it starting normally :)
[01:58] <Riddell> James147: groovy, I think that's all, thanks for testing
[01:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: biology is fun :D
[01:58] <James147> Riddell: Your welcome
[01:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: pong
[01:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: re l10n, gotta check if I can find my gpg key on some harddisk here
[01:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: l10n was the issue
[01:59] <seele> maco: ?
[02:00] <maco> seele: Guest isnt you? confusing. quassel thinks it is
[02:00] <seele> probably logged in another location?
[02:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, looking into that right now
[02:01] <apachelogger> if I cant find my key, I'll fix up the branch and someone will have to run the script magic :)
[02:02] <maco> seele: *shrug* there's a Guest63291 in my PMs list and i clicked it and it has past chat history with you in it so i guess at some point you got that name and now its confused
[02:06]  * Riddell copies 4.4.2 to karmic backports
[02:08] <seele> because i'm logged in another location?
[02:08] <seele> that's just the nick name it defaulted to when i released the nickname
[02:11] <ScottK> maco: I'm not active in any loco team.
[02:11] <apachelogger> oh my
[02:11]  * apachelogger is spreading lies in saying that kubuntu is not ubuntu
[02:12] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[02:12]  * apachelogger should go to chakra :P
[02:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to see why -workspace failed?
[02:13] <yofel> hm, kcm-phonon-xine isn't required anymore? (aptitude just wanted to remove it here)
[02:14] <Tm_T> yofel: I think you like to have it
[02:14] <Riddell> ScottK: not looked at it I'm afraid
[02:15] <lex79> ScottK: because kdelibs wasn't yet built, just retry workspace I think
[02:15] <yofel> Tm_T: yes, but phonon-backend-xine only suggests it now... (4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1)
[02:16] <Tm_T> hmmm, weird
[02:17] <Riddell> 4.4.2 copied to kubuntu-ppa/backports, I think I'll wait until tomorrow to put on kubuntu.org, see if anyone complains overnight about anything and give lucid a chance to compile
[02:17] <lex79> retry please: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1591321
[02:17] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1591323
[02:18]  * Riddell tries
[02:19]  * Riddell falls asleep on his keyboard
[02:19] <jjesse> good night Riddell
[02:20] <apachelogger> oh shoot
[02:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: still around?
[02:20] <apachelogger> meh
[02:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[02:20] <apachelogger> lex79: ping
[02:20] <lex79> pong
[02:20] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son, you should be sleeping by now
[02:21] <apachelogger> lex79: you are in the ftpubuntu keyring on ktown, rihgt?
[02:21] <lex79> apachelogger: yep
[02:21] <apachelogger> lex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+sshkeys please add the second key
[02:21]  * apachelogger onlyfound his gpg key but no ssh key in sight :)
[02:21] <lex79> ok
[02:21] <apachelogger> Tm_T: my sleepness is all messed up
[02:21] <apachelogger> I went to bed at 6 and got up at 1
[02:22] <lex79> apachelogger: done, try
[02:23] <yofel> Tm_T: ok, seems to be a fix for #510914
[02:23] <apachelogger> lex79: works, thanks :)
[02:23] <lex79> no problem
[02:40] <maco> hahahaha https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166071 read the last comment
[02:41] <maco> ScottK: dont let your daughters use ktouch? ^
[02:42] <lex79> ScottK: you should add kubuntu_110_fix_appswitch.diff to workspace and reupload, it ftbs, forget to run bzr add. It's in series but not in patches/
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> Holy what? 109 updates?
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> Someone has been busy :P
[02:53] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: KDE 4.4.2 and lots of GNOME stuff
[02:53] <Tm_T> hmm, new GNOME too it seems
[02:53] <DarkwingDuck> ah
[02:58] <nixternal> maco: my daughter said she saw jackass in ktouch about 3 years ago, I thought she was full of it
[02:58] <nixternal> so it wasn't me who taught her how to swear \o/ now to get my x-wife to read that bug report!
[02:58] <maco> ahahahaha
[02:59] <nixternal> she would say "well you work on that stuff, you probably did that"
[02:59] <maco> yep
[02:59] <nixternal> red hat employees can be a pita sometimes :)
[02:59] <maco> its just pulling from the dictionary file though, i think
[02:59] <maco> and not accounting for the null byte at the end of a string when reading them in
[02:59] <maco> hence losing the last char
[03:00] <crimsun> nixternal: np, hope things work out regardless
[03:01] <nixternal> oh damn...either go see Phish in concert or the Blackhawks game...what to do
[03:02] <nixternal> kubotu np
[03:02] <kubotu> nixternal is listening to "The Enemy (Album Version)" by Roadrunner United [The All Star Sessions] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more
[03:03] <Tm_T> kubotu np
[03:03] <kubotu> Tm_T listened to "Black Country Woman" by Led Zeppelin [Physical Graffiti, 2005] 9 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Tm_T for more
[03:03] <nigelb> nice feature :)
[03:04] <Tm_T> kubotu: identica
[03:04] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help identica'
[03:04] <jjesse> wow if i did a now playing it would be empty, i hardly ever listen to music, mostly have crappy tv on in the background
[03:06] <maco> :-O
[03:06] <maco> oooh
[03:06] <maco> kubotu: np
[03:06] <kubotu> maco hasn't played anything recently
[03:06] <maco> true, but it probably doesnt know my nick either
[03:06] <maco> how do you teach it who you are?
[03:06] <Tm_T> kubotu: identica dent While waiting for KDE 4.4.2 packages to get ready, !kubuntu team plays with kubotu
[03:06] <kubotu> status updated
[03:07] <maco> kubotu: help identica
[03:07] <kubotu> identica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)
[03:07] <nigelb> Tm_T, it updates your status?
[03:07] <Tm_T> nigelb: it did, yes, immediately
[03:07] <nigelb> wow, cool.
[03:07] <Tm_T> isn't it
[03:08] <maco> kubotu: identica dent Playing with kubotu
[03:08] <kubotu> status updated
[03:08]  * maco goes to look
[03:09] <maco> shiny!
[03:09] <crimsun> err, is that passwd sent in cleartext?
[03:09] <maco> crimsun: stop making me scared :(
[03:10] <Tm_T> crimsun: to bot or from bot to identi.ca ?
[03:10] <crimsun> Tm_T: the latter
[03:10] <Tm_T> I think the latter cannot be plaintext
[03:11] <nigelb> maco, lol, whether you want to be scared is your choice :D
[03:11] <nigelb> security is afterall an illusion
[03:11] <maco> Tm_T: identica has http or https options i thought
[03:13] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: you need to open up the commenting on your blog...that login to reply crap has to go...setup akismet and bad behaviour plugins for wordpress and you really don't have to worry about spam
[03:13] <Tm_T> maco: hmm, I'm not sure if the login goes http
[03:13] <nixternal> I just got my first spam comment today as a matter of fact, after running my current blog for more than 4 years
[03:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: heh, my blog has ... a much of spam already, glad there's tools for that
[03:13] <maco> Tm_T: gwibber can send to identica httpp
[03:13] <maco> *http
[03:14] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:14] <nigelb> my blog has some 68 spam comments already :(
[03:15] <apachelogger> somtimes I am suprprised by my own awesomeness
[03:15] <Tm_T> I noticed we don't have kubuntu group in identi.ca
[03:16] <Tm_T> apachelogger: you've been in front of the mirror again?
[03:16] <apachelogger> no
[03:16] <apachelogger> inside it!
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Thanks for the heads up
[03:17] <apachelogger> most weird thing ...  I mean, when they (the buttons) were over on the right, wasn't there open space on the left?
[03:22] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: you have to apply for an api key...ie. give them your website url and email address, and they give you one :)
[03:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: no
[03:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: there was a menu
[03:22] <apachelogger> unless you are not in US, then chances are there was no menu :P
[03:22] <apachelogger> but who cares about those cases anyway :P
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: got one.
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> bad behavior, you can add that as a plugin?
[03:23] <nixternal> what kind of menu apachelogger? surely it wasn't a menu of options, that is anti-gnome
[03:23] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yes
[03:23] <apachelogger> no
[03:23] <apachelogger> a menu to QUIT!
[03:23] <apachelogger> you see, window decroations have horribley HCI
[03:24] <apachelogger> so thy must have a menubar with one entry
[03:24] <apachelogger> saying "File"
[03:24] <apachelogger> and that must contain one entry
[03:24] <apachelogger> saying "Close"
[03:25] <nixternal> remove that menu, they obviously did it while moving stuff to the left
[03:25] <apachelogger> omg!
[03:25] <apachelogger> well
[03:25] <nixternal> http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/29/workflow-and-upload-two-new-button-concepts-for-lucid/  <- I like his upload button idea honestly
[03:25] <apachelogger> trend is to go the google way
[03:25] <apachelogger> reduce the chrome
[03:25] <apachelogger> !
[03:26] <nixternal> well, my google apps contain reduced chrome, and guess what? buttons where they are most natural except for those who sit at starbucks and try to act cool
[03:27] <nixternal> i don't use gnome much, but now when i try lucid, the usability from my point of view, or better yet opinion is, it sucks
[03:27] <apachelogger> oh
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> Alrighty fixed.
[03:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: that blog post exhibits exactly what I said :P
[03:28] <apachelogger> down with the chrome
[03:28] <maco> Tm_T: im pretty sure there's a kubuntu group on identi.ca...
[03:28]  * apachelogger finds that a bad idea though
[03:28] <nixternal> why?
[03:28] <apachelogger> if you stuff everything form the menu into mysterious buttons in the window deco its not getting any more usable
[03:29] <nixternal> oh, gotcha
[03:29] <apachelogger> indeed I would think it reduces usability
[03:29] <nixternal> I agree
[03:29] <maco> sounds like extra clicks to me
[03:29] <apachelogger> there is no natural paradigm backing up window decroations I suppose
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> I like the buttons on windows in Netbook
[03:29] <apachelogger> I am not exactly interacting with the window frames here ;)
[03:29] <nixternal> i don't use buttons
[03:29] <apachelogger> at best the get a cleaning
[03:30] <apachelogger> but that is about the only time I ever touch them ;)
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> Alt-F4 works good
[03:30] <nixternal> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/kubuntu-gets-updated-splash-screen-to.html
[03:30] <nixternal> woohoo!!!! Riddell ^^
[03:30] <nixternal> read the comments
[03:31] <nixternal> they love it!
[03:31] <nixternal> down with nvidia users!
[03:31] <apachelogger> nvidia--
[03:31] <apachelogger> apachelogger++
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Still nada
[03:32]  * apachelogger is already at indian l10n
[03:32] <apachelogger> only 33 to go
[03:32] <apachelogger> "only"
[03:33] <apachelogger> if it wasnt for svn I would be done alread :(
[03:33] <rgreening> go-go gadget l10n
[03:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[03:33]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> lol Bertal King. "This is simply beautiful. I hope Kubuntu's website gets similar treatment."
[03:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: ^^
[03:33] <rgreening> :)
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> Who is doing the design on the website?
[03:33] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I suppose we should take content out of the website ;)
[03:33] <apachelogger> like
[03:33] <apachelogger> all of it
[03:34] <apachelogger> in fact we could just use the splash image
[03:34] <rgreening> haha
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:34] <apachelogger> make the logo clickabale
[03:34] <rgreening> and have it vnc to a live image
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger ++
[03:34] <rgreening> :)
[03:34] <apachelogger> open up a high res pic of nixternal
[03:34] <rgreening> lol
[03:34] <rgreening> noooooooos
[03:34] <apachelogger> or start download
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> With the bike helmet??
[03:34] <apachelogger> or maybe half the time show nixternal and the other start a download
[03:34] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: of course
[03:35] <apachelogger> the dictator got his space helmet anx nixternal got his bike helmet
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> That's almost too low. But really, who does the website?
[03:35] <apachelogger> that said ... building up on my idea from yesterday ... ubuntu should have the dictator flying in a rocket across the boot screen ... and we should have nixternal on his bike :D
[03:35] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ryanakca
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[03:36] <nixternal> you guys are asses
[03:36]  * apachelogger huggles nixternal
[03:36] <nixternal> though, I think the 404 page should be me no doubt
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal ++
[03:36] <apachelogger> 404 is the most visited probalby
[03:36] <nixternal> have it say: "D'OH!  JUST LIKE THIS GUY ->"   (picture of me)
[03:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:37] <rgreening> nixternal: how do you get the plymouth to run without rebooting (i.e. so I can test it out now)
[03:38] <nixternal> #!/bin/bash
[03:38] <nixternal> sudo plymouthd --debug --debug-file=/tmp/plymouth-debug-out ; \
[03:38] <nixternal>     sudo plymouth --show-splash ; \
[03:38] <nixternal>     for ((I=0;I<10;I++)); do \
[03:38] <nixternal>         sleep 1 ; \
[03:38] <nixternal>         sudo plymouth --update=event$I ; \
[03:38] <nixternal>     done;
[03:38] <nixternal> sudo plymouth quit
[03:38] <nixternal> rgreening: put that in a script
[03:38] <nixternal> you can remove the debug stuff
[03:38] <rgreening> cool
[03:39] <nixternal> that will show it for 10 seconds, increase I<$$ of course for more time
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: pull out the debug line
[03:41]  * apachelogger thinks that doesnt actually do debugging but nixternal just added it so that it looks fancy
[03:41] <nixternal> rgreening: if you hack on it, make sure you do so without having anything open, because it is so easy to make a stupid mistake in the plymouth script, and when you run a fubarred script, time to reboot, or at least restart kdm
[03:42] <maco> hrmph it ran two of 'em in 2 windows, then i removed the debug line, and now when i run it it doesnt do anything
[03:42] <nixternal> apachelogger: fancy would have been:      run_plymouth() { .... }  run_plymouth; exit 0
[03:42] <apachelogger> OH WHY
[03:42] <apachelogger> you know
[03:42] <apachelogger> I just came to think
[03:42] <apachelogger> since this setup is brand new
[03:42] <apachelogger> and I did not yet do deb packaging
[03:42] <apachelogger> chances are debmail env var is not set
[03:43] <apachelogger> so it is more than likely that every l10n packaged now contains <me@logos> for an email addy
[03:43] <nixternal> unset GPG_AGENT_INFO
[03:43] <nixternal> export GPGKEY=D8C44738
[03:43] <nixternal> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:43] <nixternal> apachelogger: ^^ a must in your ~/.zshrc
[03:43]  * apachelogger sighs and writes script to fix hickup of the script
[03:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, what use would it have if you neither have gpg key nor intention to do packaging :P
[03:44] <apachelogger> I say it is all jr's fault anyway :P
[03:44] <nixternal> hehe
[03:44] <maco> huh? how's it jr's fault?
[03:46] <apachelogger> cause he wanted to upload today
[03:46] <apachelogger> had he waited until next week I would have had a properly setup system
[03:46] <nixternal> hehe
[03:46] <apachelogger> but no, we must always rush ahead and upload in time for release :P
[03:49]  * rgreening thinks apachelogger needs a glass of wine instead of coffee
[03:50] <apachelogger> oh
[03:50] <apachelogger> ah
[03:50] <apachelogger> =D
[03:50] <apachelogger> ahahahaha
[03:50] <apachelogger> man I am superior it is unbelivable
[03:51] <apachelogger> well
[03:51] <apachelogger> almost
[03:51]  * rgreening bows to the aswesomeness that it apachelogger
[03:51] <apachelogger> addy is alright
[03:51]  * nixternal moons apachelogger
[03:51] <apachelogger> thanks to the mighty branch magic
[03:51] <apachelogger> BUT
[03:51] <apachelogger> time stamp is slightly off
[03:51] <nixternal> literally
[03:51] <nixternal> come on, i updated all of the l10n packages in like 10 minutes
[03:52] <rgreening> haha
[03:52] <apachelogger> nono
[03:52] <apachelogger> you think you do
[03:52] <rgreening> my fingers hurt from guitar lessons...
[03:52] <nixternal> yesyes
[03:52] <nixternal> rgreening: I have been playing my guitar a bit lately as well
[03:52] <nixternal> I found out, I SUCK!
[03:52] <apachelogger> there is this thing called svn
[03:53]  * rgreening needs an implant for instant guitar a la neuromancer
[03:53] <apachelogger> and svn in it's unbelivable madness of continuing the madness that is cvs, does file-by-file transfers
[03:53] <rgreening> nixternal: I just started lernin. 1 lesson so far.
[03:53] <apachelogger> making our exports of desktop file pos so incredibly slow...
[03:54] <rgreening> and lots of F# ow..  I am less than suck at this point
[03:55] <nixternal> I haven't played really in probably 10 years...since that navy...I totally forgot how to play
[03:55] <nixternal> it definitely isn't like riding a bike
[03:55] <apachelogger>   sed -i "s/Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:40:38 +0100/Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:52:10 +0200/g" debian/changelog
[03:55] <nixternal> and I used to play in a blues band when I was in high school
[03:56] <rgreening> heh
[03:56] <nixternal> apachelogger: ummm, why?
[03:56] <nixternal> dch -m
[03:56] <nixternal> that just updates the timestamp
[03:57] <apachelogger> SPEED
[03:57] <apachelogger> that is like you would not want to use cpp when you can just as well use c :P
[04:01] <nixternal> kubotu np
[04:01] <kubotu> nixternal is listening to "Toxic Garbage Island" by Gojira [The Way Of All Flesh] [http://open.spotify.com/track/5e0OSsSpWpQ2kS7Z9CGLDu] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more
[04:04] <nixternal> anyone else having problems posting from choqok to identi.ca?
[04:04] <nixternal> i swear, identi.ca gives me a head ache
[04:04] <maco> nixternal: nope
[04:04] <nixternal> I get a stupid error message when trying to reply, oh well
[04:06] <ScottK> lex79: Thanks.
[04:06] <ScottK> Damn bzr add.
[04:06] <nixternal> hrmm, seems it only happens with one person, and an arch person at that :)
[04:06] <nixternal> oh well, he gets no replies from me
[04:06] <lex79> ScottK: no problem
[04:11] <ScottK> nixternal: You needed a guitar to find out you suck?
[04:11] <nixternal> awww, thanks hun
[04:11] <nixternal> sometimes I wonder why I don't just jump out of the sears tower
[04:11] <nixternal> the abuse I tell ya
[04:12] <ScottK> Please don't, we need to keep the docs up to date.
[04:14] <nixternal> yeah right, nobody really cares about docs
[04:14] <nixternal> plus I am hoping that darkwingduck steps up and takes documentation...need to do something to utilize my brain
[04:15] <ScottK> Honestly the way we got the plymouth theme done was pretty cool.
[04:15] <ScottK> FWIW, one reason you can't jump out of the Sears Tower is that's not it's name anymore.  You're too late.
[04:17] <ScottK> lex79: Did you figure out what went wrong with ia64 in the last qt4-x11 upload?
[04:17] <nixternal> it is the sears tower, only dummies call it the willis tower
[04:18] <nixternal> they have to wash spray paint off their sign every day from people crossing it out and putting sears on it
[04:19] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:20] <lex79> ScottK: no :(
[04:20] <ScottK> lex79: See if you can get doko to take a look at it, since he fixed a related GCC bug since the last upload.
[04:21] <lex79> oh, maybe we should drop his patch from qt since he fixed the bug also in GCC
[04:21] <lex79> I can talk to him tomorrow
[04:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: FWIW, I find the interpretation of what abstaining from a vote means at the DMB to be totally bizarre.  I think they should have given it to you.
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, well, at least something should get done one way or the other, in theory. As long as I can upload, I'm happy.
[04:47] <ScottK> NCommander: Need help: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1591243/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdegraphics_4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:47] <NCommander> ScottK: ugh :-/
[04:47] <ScottK> Note: That built on other archs.
[04:48] <NCommander> WTF
[04:48] <NCommander> That's a lamont bug
[04:50] <ScottK> Would you please talk to him about it.
[05:00] <nixternal> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0754/5221_4c47.gif :(
[05:01] <nixternal> damn wrong channel
[05:01] <ScottK> Grumble.  No one uploaded kdebase.
[05:01]  * ScottK is doing it.
[05:02] <nixternal> fyi, that gif is very disturbing
[05:08] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:14] <ScottK> OK, kdebase uploaded too.
[05:18] <AzureDragon> Hey I'm just installing the Kubuntu Beta. I have to say guys, very nice installer. =D
[05:21] <ScottK> shtylman: ^^^
[05:21] <shtylman> :)
[07:50] <Mamarok> why does apt-get want to remove kde-full, kdeedu and parley? Or is the 4.4.2 build not finished?
[07:56] <Tm_T> Mamarok: not finished
[07:56] <Mamarok> OK, that's what I guessed :)
[07:56]  * Tm_T keeps staring https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[08:56] <fale> hi
[09:48] <jussi01> ooh... 4.4.2 is here :)
[09:51] <Tm_T> no, it's there! /me points a corner behind the couch
[09:52] <jussi01> You know what would be awesome?  If we could somehow grab and compile into a list the changelog from every program in kde4.4.2 - from 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 or any arbitrary version diff.
[09:52] <jussi01> so you could simply and easily read throgh what the changes are
[09:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.2.php
[09:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: I think there's links to commit diff
[09:53] <jussi01> Tm_T: that still doesnt give what Im after
[09:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: actually here: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_4_1to4_4_2.php
[09:54] <jussi01> oooh
[09:54] <jussi01> thats exactly it
[09:54] <jussi01> :D
[09:56] <jussi01> now if we could just get that for 4.3.4 (or whatever is in karmic) > 4.4.2 (or whatever is the lucid version going to be) and link to it from our release notes...
[09:56] <Tm_T> jussi01: combine from earlier lists
[09:57] <Tm_T> I don't think there's much easier way unfortunately
[09:57] <jussi01> Tm_T: how are those reports garnered though?
[09:57] <jussi01> Im guessing someone has a script we can borrow
[09:57] <Tm_T> jussi01: devels add their items to the list, and then it's generated
[09:58] <jussi01> hrr
[09:58] <Tm_T> so you need all the lists from 4.3.x to new one and then generate
[09:58] <jussi01> yeah, in anycase, its probably worth the effort, no?
[09:59] <jussi01> I mean, how many times do we get "what has changed since karmic" questions, and the release notes arent good enough.
[09:59] <Tm_T> yes, or cherrypicking, but most important is the changelog from 4.3 to 4.4.0 ...as there's the new features
[09:59]  * jussi01 wonders if there is someway to pull the svn commit messages or so? or something else useful
[10:00] <Tm_T> jussi01: ...there's quite many commits (:
[10:00] <Tm_T> jussi01: but is possible, if you really really want to, I guess
[10:00] <jussi01> yeah, thats true I guess :P
[10:01] <jussi01> what was the original version in karmic?
[10:01] <Tm_T> and big majority are uninteresting
[10:01] <Tm_T> 4.3.2 I guess
[10:01] <jussi01> !info kdebase
[10:01] <jussi01> looks that way
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: the common l10n branch seems to be working like a charm :D
[10:50] <apachelogger> sv FTBFS though
[11:01] <amichair> Riddell: pretty please? :-)      [bug #545927]
[11:24] <Riddell> amichair: yes today I promis
[11:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I would still aim for liberation by default for 10.10
[11:32] <Riddell> you'll have nixternal to battle ith
[11:34] <apachelogger> but we already know the winner... he's got a bike helmet :(
[12:13] <ghostcube> o/
[12:14] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.2
[12:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde-l10n-cavalencia should be kde-l10n-ca-valencia
[12:32] <apachelogger> goodness
[12:32] <Quintasan> \o
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixing
[12:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: I spammed the release url forward
[12:35] <Mamarok> hm, is it normal that it tries to remove a lot of metapackages, like kubuntu-desktop, kde-full, etc ?
[12:35] <Mamarok> and it wants to remove konqueror, not good
[12:37] <Tm_T> Mamarok: only if not all packages being built yet
[12:37] <Mamarok> well, then apparently half is not built, I get this: http://pastebin.com/74qpaZd5
[12:37] <Tm_T> yes
[12:38] <Tm_T> especially kdebase is still WIP
[12:38] <Mamarok> well, then why publish a release when it's not finished?
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refusedr
[12:40] <apachelogger> gotta run, I'll be back in 2 hours or so
[12:42] <Tm_T> Mamarok: some platforms are done IIRC
[12:42] <Mamarok> well, Lucid 64 bit isn't
[12:42] <Tm_T> amd or ia?
[12:43] <Tm_T> Mamarok: btw to see what is currently being built, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[12:43]  * Mamarok would publish only if all is finished
[12:44] <Mamarok> wow, 11 hours to go? that sucks
[12:44] <Tm_T> Mamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.2 says "Users of the Lucid development release can upgrade to the newest packages (some packages are still compiling)."
[12:44] <Mamarok> is something worng with the build servers? Usually it's not that slow
[12:45] <Mamarok> I'm not going to upgrade to something that will remove 20 packages, certainly not
[12:45] <Tm_T> Mamarok: both KDE and GNOME upgrades being built today
[12:45] <Tm_T> so there's a lot of packages moving aroun
[12:45] <Mamarok> can we kick Gnome out and put KDE on top of the priority list, pretty please?
[12:45] <Tm_T> haha
[12:47] <Riddell> and launchpad just went down so not much we can do for anything
[12:48] <Quintasan> urgh, I think I'm not even halfway done with KOffice
[12:58] <Mamarok> brilliant coordination...
[12:59] <Mamarok> are the Launchpad people aware that there are build jobs scheduled for today? They announced their maintainance 5 days ago
[13:00] <Tm_T> Mamarok: there's build jobs scheduled to every day for that matter
[13:01] <Mamarok> Tm_T: well, certainly not a complete KDE build
[13:01] <Tm_T> heh, it began yesterday
[13:02] <Tm_T> just like GNOME
[13:02] <Tm_T> anyway
[13:02] <Mamarok> well, the Launchpad service downtime comes at a very bad moment, couldn't this be coordinated better?
[13:03] <Tm_T> sure
[13:11] <debfx> it could certainly be much worse, if you look at debian where no new packages are being processed since last thursday
[13:12] <Quintasan> DAMN IT
[13:13] <Quintasan> Konsole crashed
[13:13] <Quintasan> >_<
[13:38] <rgreening> nixternal: the prob with nvidia is that the proprietary drivers use 16 colors on boot (Scott blogged on thi srecently). So this plymouth boot splash will likely need to be a 16 color image to look reasonable across the board. Not sure how this will make the logo look overall.
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: maco: ping, I have a problem with amarok package
[13:59] <agateau> "dpkg-source -x" says it's applying my patches
[13:59] <agateau> but it's not
[13:59] <agateau> silly binary
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: possibly our fault, let me look
[14:03]  * Tm_T huggles agateau
[14:03] <agateau> Tm_T: huggle?
[14:03] <agateau> don't know what it is, hope it's not too painful
[14:04] <Tm_T> hug
[14:04] <agateau> ah ok, I am safe then :)
[14:04]  * agateau hugs back
[14:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/8KYB0Kij <-- any ideas?
[14:05] <ScottK> Mamarok: It's the day before the Beta 2 freeze, so there's a LOT of stuff getting uploaded.  Nothing wrong with the builders, just lots of uploads.
[14:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: "couldn't find library libkomain.so.6 " where is that library?
[14:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: nowhere in build directory
[14:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: find debian/tmp -name libkomain*   doesn't find anything?
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like things are held up due to kdebindings being in binary New.
[14:20] <Riddell> I accepted that this morning didn't I?
[14:20] <Riddell> well, can't tell if it got accepted or no since launchpad is down
[14:20] <ScottK> Not according to Launchpad.
[14:20] <ScottK> It's up read only now.
[14:20] <Riddell> can't accept it until it's back up
[14:20] <Riddell> queue command doesn't want to work
[14:20] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:21] <ScottK> Oh well, it's not like the builders are sitting idle in the meantime.
[14:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: exacly nothing
[14:27] <Quintasan> oh wait
[14:27] <Quintasan> misspelled here
[14:28] <Quintasan> debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkomain.so and debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkomain.so.{6,6.0.0}
[14:37] <neversfelde> blogilo is pulled in, when upgrading to 4.4.2 on lucid. Is this wanted or an accident?
[14:38] <Tm_T> neversfelde: if you have kdepim metapackage installed, then it's wanted, I'd say
[14:38] <neversfelde> it's not installed
[14:39] <Tm_T> neversfelde: what depends on it?
[14:39] <Tm_T> or recommends
[14:40] <ScottK> neversfelde: On netbook it's intended.
[14:40] <agateau> Riddell: maco: more on the Amarok bug:
[14:40] <ScottK> It's a new recommends for kubuntu-netbook
[14:40] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok, it is netbook edition
[14:40] <ScottK> Planned.  Blame apachelogger.
[14:40]  * neversfelde likes it :)
[14:40] <agateau> the ksni patches are reverted by debian-changes-2:2.3.0-0ubuntu2
[14:41] <maco> agateau: thats a "someone screwed up with source package 3.0" issue then, i think
[14:41] <maco> and i did 0ubuntu1, so it wasn't me
[14:42] <agateau> maco: sounds like it :)
[14:42]  * maco looks at Riddell
[14:42]  * agateau looks in the direction maco looks
[14:44] <Riddell> this source format 3.0 stuff is fiddly
[14:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: those libs are in debian/tmp/usr/lib
[14:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: so work out what package they should go in and add to the .install files
[14:45] <Riddell> agateau: can't upload just now though, launchpad down
[14:45] <agateau> Riddell: no problem
[14:46] <agateau> Riddell: can I reassign lp bug 541920 to you (when launchpad is back?)
[14:50]  * ScottK thinks he heard maco volunteer for it.
[14:50] <maco> i think i'm trying to make other software go right now
[14:50] <maco> where do icons live again?
[14:50] <Riddell> agateau: sure
[14:51] <Riddell> maco: /usr/share/icons/oxygen
[14:51] <maco> thanks
[14:54] <Riddell> agateau: about moving the indictor applet, we have a script to do plasma upgrades
[14:55] <Riddell> /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/01-kubuntu-10.04.js
[14:55] <Riddell> agateau: I think that just needs fixed
[14:55] <agateau> Riddell: apachelogger thought it could not be fixed in the js, iirc
[14:56] <agateau> Riddell: but I did not look at the js file, reading it right now
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Launchpad is claiming to be back up now.
[15:00] <Riddell> awooga
[15:00] <Riddell> now I hope I can remember all the half started tasks i had
[15:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you going to do karmic backports of kde-l10n?
[15:34] <Riddell> glatzor!
[15:39] <nixternal> rgreening: at 16 color, we need a solid background and a solid, no glow, logo...already did that yesterday
[15:39] <nixternal> it sucks really bad
[15:49] <Quintasan> virtual destructors? WTF
[15:49] <Quintasan> this is getting more and more crazy
[15:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm starting to like that polymorphism thingy :D
[15:58] <apachelogger> agateau: IMHO the only way of doing it is run the sed command in the script AND then somehow (qdbus?) trigger a reload of plasma config
[15:58] <apachelogger> or something like that
[15:59] <apachelogger> agateau: even more scary then the sed on itself considering that the reload is non-blocking so this might not work if reload is not done before script continues
[15:59] <agateau> apachelogger: wow
[15:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: how did you do them before? because currently we'd need a new branch with packaging for karmic ... the lucid version uses source format 3 for obvious reasons
[15:59] <agateau> apachelogger: a simple sed could be enough, but it has to happen at the right time
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: I ran dch -i and added a karmic version, I didn't use source format 3 for that reason
[16:00] <apachelogger> agateau: right in that context probably means before plasma loads its config and I would say that this happens before the javascripts get executed at any rate
[16:00] <apachelogger> agateau: how does upstream handle renamings of widgets?
[16:01] <agateau> apachelogger: afaik it does not
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I'll poke into that matter in a bit
[16:01] <agateau> apachelogger: I sent a huge kconf_update patch on k-c-d
[16:01] <agateau> apachelogger: which would allow us to do the rename
[16:01] <agateau> but it's... huge
[16:01] <apachelogger> agateau: would adding the old desktop file help?
[16:02] <apachelogger> like have it Hidden=true and load the new libs et al
[16:02] <apachelogger> hopefully former ensures it does not get shown in the plasmoid explorer and latter makes it work ... then we can process it like all other widgets
[16:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: polymorphism is key! :D
[16:03] <agateau> apachelogger: I don't know plasma enough to tell you :/
[16:03] <apachelogger> agateau: well, just give it a try :P
[16:03] <agateau> mmm
[16:03] <agateau> need to install karmic somewhere
[16:03]  * apachelogger notes that his coffee looks like guinness for some reason ^^
[16:04] <apachelogger> agateau: why?
[16:04] <agateau> apachelogger: mmm
[16:04] <apachelogger> agateau: just add a new desktop file and manually craft an old widget into your plasmarc :D
[16:04] <agateau> apachelogger: could work
[16:04] <apachelogger> if the widget loads upon plasma start then the approach works, if it also doesnt show up in the browser we are saved :)
[16:05] <Riddell> agateau: fixed amaro kuploaded
[16:05] <agateau> Riddell: great, thanks!
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[16:05] <apachelogger>   Uploading kde-l10n-ca-valencia_4.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[16:05] <apachelogger> -sv should also stop FTBFS'ing now
[16:06] <Riddell> lovely, thanks apachelogger
[16:06] <ScottK> Quassel just updated too.
[16:06] <Quintasan> @_@
[16:06]  * Quintasan is getting tired
[16:07] <Quintasan> If that damned Yakuake didn't crash I would have it uploading now
[16:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go use a proper terminal emulator then :P
[16:08] <apachelogger> uxterm ftw!
[16:09] <Riddell> amichair: why rename _u(str) to u_(str) ?
[16:10] <amichair> Riddell: because python treats methods starting with _ as private, in the sense that they are not imported by an import * statement
[16:10] <Sput> Quintasan: what's weird about virtual dtors? they obviously need to be virtual, otherwise the compiler wouldn't necessarily call the child class one
[16:10] <Sput> subclass even
[16:11] <Sput> which means that the subclass would not be able to clean up... that's why newer gcc versions yell loudly if you don't declare your dtors virtual
[16:11] <Riddell> amichair: and _(str) doesn't get treated as private?
[16:11] <Sput> (always assuming that you also have other virtual functions in that class)
[16:12] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1593043/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebindings_4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:12] <ScottK> kdebindings and armel both.  Double the fun.
[16:12] <amichair> Riddell: _ is redefined in every class that imports it, e.g. import gettext as _
[16:13] <amichair> Riddell: it's a lose-lose situation, either ugly (u_) or inconvenient (needs explicit 'import as' in every file)
[16:14] <Riddell> amichair: I see apachelogger also fixed a unicode issue recently in software-properties, what a mess
[16:14] <amichair> Riddell: of course it can be renamed to something entirely different, but then it loses the intuitive association of being a unicode version of _ ...
[16:14] <amichair> Riddell: when I had that fixing spree months ago, there were at least 15 of them...
[16:14] <apachelogger> just port it to C&C++ and be done with it
[16:14] <shadeslayer> heh... i downloaded 500 MB of upgrades yesterday and now i have 250 MB more of them :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> python is freaking me out more everyday
[16:14] <amichair> Riddell: this one got reintroduced somehow in between (it's an immediate crash on any non-latin charset system)
[16:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: easier said than done though I agree with that crappy python
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ah well.. 3 hours to upgrade
use Ruby</hint>
[16:15] <Riddell> amichair: ho hum.  thanks for the fix, uploading
[16:15] <apachelogger> well, once jonny finishes his libqapt project we can rewrite sp in cpp
[16:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: Only if you want it even slower
[16:16] <Quintasan> Oh silly me. I meant <troll>use Ruby</troll>
[16:16] <Quintasan> ;)
[16:16] <amichair> Riddell: iirc, there were plans to replace sp altogether in a future release, no?
[16:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, ubuntu doenst care about that
[16:16] <Riddell> amichair: no I don't believe so
[16:16] <apachelogger> otherwise ruby1.8 wasnt compiled with pthreads
[16:17] <Riddell> amichair: it needs ported to policykit at some point but nobody has stepped up to do that yet
[16:17] <amichair> Riddell: hmmm.... maybe I'm confusing it with something else.
[16:17] <apachelogger> also my intel chip wouldnt perform so badly
[16:17] <amichair> Riddell: ah, maybe that was it.
[16:17] <apachelogger> THERE IS A BUG OMG OMG OMG
[16:17] <Quintasan> 10 GB is not enough for Kubuntu, really
[16:18] <Tm_T> Quintasan: hum?
[16:18] <Quintasan> Tm_T: my / is too small
[16:18] <Tm_T> Quintasan: ach so
[16:19] <amichair> Riddell: in any case, thanks for the merge :-)
[16:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: doable, but not if you install all sorts of stuff and pbuild in /
[16:19]  * apachelogger had a 10gb / on his pc
[16:19] <amichair> Riddell: should I close the bug (fix committed?) or does lp do it magically?
[16:19] <Quintasan> I pbuild at /home which is on different partition
[16:19] <shtylman> nixternal: you mentioned in your blog that proprietary nvidia doesn't work will with plymouth ... is it known why?
[16:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: then I do not see how 10gb could be too small
[16:20] <Quintasan>  /dev/sda1             9,2G  8,5G  249M  98% /
[16:20] <Quintasan> :O
[16:20] <apachelogger> shtylman: crappy driver at framebuffer time I think
[16:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sudo apt-get clean :P
[16:20] <Quintasan> did that already
[16:20] <Quintasan> it was at 83% but now something takes even more space
[16:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pkcon install filelight && filelight /
[16:20] <Quintasan> I wonder what is that
[16:21] <apachelogger> maybe some log file doenst get rotated
[16:21] <apachelogger> that is defenitely weird
[16:21] <ScottK> shtylman: See keybuck's blog.
[16:22] <shtylman> ScottK: thanks
[16:22]  * apachelogger tries his packaging magic on kde-l10n for karmic
[16:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[16:23] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Salty Dog" by Flogging Molly [Swagger, 2000] 6 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3YAsRYkaS9jUoMpTmjs0oh] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[16:23] <Riddell> amichair: it'll happen magically once the upload is published
[16:23] <Quintasan> Flogging Molly \o/
[16:23] <amichair> Riddell: coolness.
[16:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: lol yakuake.tmp occupies over 2GB of space
[16:25] <Quintasan> WTF
[16:25] <apachelogger> well
[16:25] <apachelogger> that seems wrong :P
[16:25]  * apachelogger is wondering what that is anyway
[16:25] <Quintasan> sitting in /tmp
[16:26] <Quintasan>  /tmp/kde-quintasan
[16:26] <apachelogger> well what is it used for :S
[16:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: maybe backlog?
[16:26] <apachelogger> i.e. did you set backlog to no limit
[16:26] <Quintasan> I launched pbuilder in that yakuake session
[16:26] <Quintasan> beats me
[16:27] <ScottK> Could be lack of freeing space no longer needed then.
[16:28]  * apachelogger does mapping to fix a bug in the common l10n branch \\o/
[16:28] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:28] <Quintasan> I clossed pbuilder and it freed the whole space
[16:28] <Quintasan> I wonder wtf
[16:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go talk to sho :P
[16:29] <apachelogger> that is very odd behaviour
[16:29] <apachelogger> but sounds very log related
[16:42] <apachelogger> mhh
[16:42] <apachelogger> magic
[16:44] <Quintasan> urgh
[16:44] <Quintasan> singletons gave me an headache
[16:44] <apachelogger> only a mild one I hope
[16:44] <Quintasan> I'd better try virtual methods and polymorphism now
[16:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: can I go "using namespace std;" in *.h files or its a stupid idea?
[16:48] <apachelogger> you can, mostly considered bad pratcise
[16:49] <apachelogger> unless you need like > 50% of the std stuff
[16:49] <apachelogger> otehrwise you would do selected using
[16:49] <Quintasan> using namespace std::cout?
[16:49] <apachelogger> I think you can ommit the namespace there
[16:49] <Quintasan> let me try it
[16:50] <apachelogger> me@logos:~/ex1-sexy$ grep using *
[16:50] <apachelogger> Character.h:using std::string;
[16:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: without the namespace keyword
[16:50] <Quintasan> I will be using endl also
[16:50] <Quintasan> or I just can go \n inside
[16:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I for one would consider this also bad practise, despite it if it works
[16:51] <apachelogger> using std::cout;
[16:51] <apachelogger> using std::endl;
[16:51] <apachelogger> using std::cin;
[16:51] <apachelogger> ...
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ultimately in alphabetical order ;)
[16:52] <Quintasan> It's stupid to type std:: each time I want to use cout or endl
[16:52] <Quintasan> I'm using them each time I write some damned apps :P
[16:52] <apachelogger> well, it also depends on how much you really use it ;)
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could stuff your usings in a header and include that
[16:53] <apachelogger> saves you even more typing ;)
[16:53] <Quintasan> lol
[16:53] <Quintasan> :D
[16:54] <Quintasan> including a header in a header
[16:54] <apachelogger> that even is necessary at times :P
[16:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: my book mentions it is a good idea to implement classes in *.h files
[16:55] <Tm_T> or just uses "std::cout"
[16:55] <apachelogger> + it makes sense for that kind of stuff ... say you have a billion of those using statements and those are needed across most of your classes, youd go for that approach
[16:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Oo
[16:55] <Quintasan> seriously :D
[16:56] <Quintasan> maybe not says but dude does it quite often in his examples
[16:56] <apachelogger> well, to KISS maybe
[16:56] <apachelogger> but TBH evne then I would not do it that way without telling the reader that this is bad practicse ;)
[16:57] <Sput> Quintasan: don't use the "using" directive at all in global scope, in particular in .h files
[16:57] <Sput> you don't want to automagically have something declared in a file where you #include that header
[16:57] <apachelogger> good point
[16:57] <Sput> it's not only bad practice, it might also cause hard-to-find but nasty bugs
[16:58] <Sput> (also, if you have that much code in your header file that std:: is a nuisance, you're doing it wrong anyway)
[16:59] <apachelogger> bug 551968
[16:59] <apachelogger> w-t-f
[17:00] <Sput> Quintasan: you can use "using" in your .cpp files as much as you want, but don't spoil the global namespace in headers you might #include somewhere else
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: how come he can edit bug status?
[17:01] <Quintasan> Sput: okay, I'll stick to it later, now I'm just taking the "print out some crap to show it actually works" approach
[17:01] <Quintasan> :P
[17:02] <Sput> just use Qt, that obsoletes all of std:: :>
[17:02] <Quintasan> Sput: easy, I just got to learn about classes and such :P
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: everyone can
[17:02] <apachelogger> importance requires editing karma
[17:03]  * shtylman tried to use nouveau ... but something failed ... had to revert back to nvidia-current :(
[17:03] <Sput> Quintasan: did you read my comment above about virtual dtors?
[17:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, well close it with "feature request, not a bug" I guess
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, already closed again
[17:03] <Quintasan> Sput: about doing it wrong?
[17:04] <apachelogger> oh my
[17:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: I closed it again too, but you got there first.
[17:04] <Sput> Quintasan: nah, my explanation why one needs them
[17:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: no /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk in lucid? :(
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: no that's long since gone
[17:05] <apachelogger> meh
[17:05]  * apachelogger cant build karmic kde-l10n on lucid :P
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's a reason why nobody else has wanted to touch kde-l10n :)
[17:06] <apachelogger> well, its all nice and cosy now :P
[17:06] <apachelogger> + making it backportable to karmic is pretty easy too
[17:06] <apachelogger> once I have found a .mk ^^
[17:07] <apachelogger> of course launchpad is doing what it can to prevent me from doing that -.-
[17:09] <Quintasan> urgh I hate when g++ throws undefined reference errors at me
[17:10] <Quintasan> :<
[17:10] <apachelogger> poor Quintasan
[17:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie, xmas for Quintasan
[17:10]  * kubotu slides cookie, xmas down the bar to Quintasan
[17:10] <apachelogger> hm
[17:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: order christmas cookie for Quintasan
[17:10]  * kubotu slides christmas cookie down the bar to Quintasan
[17:11] <apachelogger> well, screw it
[17:11] <Quintasan> thanks
[17:11] <Quintasan> :P
[17:11] <Quintasan> kubotu: order chistmas cookies for apachelogger
[17:11]  * kubotu slides chistmas cookies down the bar to apachelogger
[17:11] <Quintasan> :/
[17:12] <apachelogger> maybe cookies
[17:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas for Quintasan
[17:12]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to Quintasan and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[17:12] <apachelogger> ah :D
[17:12] <Quintasan> lol
[17:12] <apachelogger> dpkg-source: Fehler: several orig.tar files found (./kde-l10n-ar_4.4.2.orig.tar.bz2 and ./kde-l10n-ar_4.4.2.orig.tar.gz) but only one is allowed
[17:12]  * apachelogger likes how CLI apps are translated
[17:12] <apachelogger> and sometimes not translated
[17:12] <apachelogger> and sometimes half-translated
[17:12] <apachelogger> reminds me on Kubuntu
[17:13] <apachelogger> oh
[17:13] <apachelogger> *blush*
[17:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wait, you are from Germany?
[17:13] <apachelogger> no I am not
[17:13] <apachelogger> why would I be from germany?
[17:13] <Quintasan> Isn't Fehler german for Error?
[17:14] <apachelogger> austrians tend to speak german :P
[17:14] <Quintasan> oh
[17:14] <Quintasan> That's new to me :O
[17:14] <apachelogger> if I was german I would be married to Nightrose I suppose
[17:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: less sleeping in lessons :P
[17:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: they do not tell us such useful thing in school :(
[17:15] <Quintasan> btw.
[17:15] <apachelogger> censorship?
[17:15] <ScottK> Not even all Germans manage to speak the same German.  Don't try and tell me that Austria somehow does.
[17:15] <Quintasan> anyone knows some mathematical terms?
[17:15] <Sput> ScottK: well, they're better than some proper German areas :P
[17:16] <apachelogger> hm
[17:16] <amichair> Quintasan: ring!
[17:16] <Quintasan> like those equations - (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2? It has a term in polish but I dunno about english
[17:16] <apachelogger> austria speaks the same german, except for the colognies of vienna and carinithia :P
[17:16] <apachelogger> but the parts that matter speak the same german ;)
[17:17] <Sput> yeah, but with a funny accent
[17:17] <ScottK> Quintasan: a^2 is "a squared" or "a raised to the second power"
[17:17] <amichair> Quintasan: oh. ring is a mathematical term as well.
[17:17] <Sput> and group, and set
[17:17] <Sput> and Eigenvalue
[17:18] <amichair> Quintasan: any term in particular you're looking for?
[17:18] <ScottK> Quintasan: For a^2, it'd be normal to say "a squared", for a^3, "a cubed", and then after that like a^, "a to the fourth".
[17:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: I mean the whole equation, in polish we have "wzory skróconego mnożenia" which translated roughly would give "shortned multiplication equations"
[17:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:19] <ScottK> That's a quadradic equation.
[17:19] <Sput> "binomial formulae" possibly?
[17:20] <Quintasan> Sput: binomial is (a+b)^4 :P
[17:20] <Sput> Quintasan: well, in German the one above would be one of the three "Binomische Formeln"
[17:20] <apachelogger> uhm
[17:20] <apachelogger> this formula
[17:20] <apachelogger> is
[17:20] <apachelogger> well
[17:20] <amichair> I know it as on eof the general 'algebraic formulas'
[17:21] <apachelogger> not of the best kinds ;)
[17:21] <apachelogger> see
[17:21] <Sput> the other ones being (a-b)² = a² - 2ab + b², and the third being a²-b² = (a-b)(a+b)
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what you stated is the proof of the pythaogrean theorem
[17:21] <apachelogger> or however that is written :P
[17:21] <apachelogger> my system is exploding from bunzip -.-
[17:22] <Quintasan> >implying apachelogger was not sleeping at his math lessons
[17:22] <Quintasan> :P
[17:22] <Sput> looks like in English that term is more used for the generalization (but still, the ones above are binomial formulae)
[17:22] <apachelogger> actually I was most of the time :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Spyth.htm
[17:23] <Sput> in German school, "the three Binomische Formeln" always means the special case of squared
[17:23] <Quintasan> Also, ain't that pythagorean thingy a² + b² = c² ?
[17:23] <Sput> yep
[17:24] <Quintasan> Sput: you did that ² on keyboard or copypasted somewhere
[17:24] <Quintasan> it from somewhere*
[17:24] <Sput> AltGr + 2
[17:24] <Quintasan> awesome
[17:24] <Quintasan> ²
[17:25] <Sput> I'm using US Intl anyway on all my boxen
[17:25] <amichair> Quintasan: "binomial formula" is usually the generic (x+y)^n, of which yours is one instance
[17:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is why i said it is a proof :P
[17:25] <Sput> plus I have a compose key
[17:25] <apachelogger> go read the url :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> using algebraic terms
[17:25] <Sput> so I can enter most of utf8 via keyboard :>
[17:25] <Quintasan> do not distract me from working on KOffice
[17:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[17:26] <apachelogger> you insulted my superiro mathematical skills!
[17:26]  * apachelogger is called the mathemagician :P
[17:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Now I question your typing ability
[17:26] <Quintasan> :P
[17:26] <amichair> http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_does_mathemagic.html
[17:26] <apachelogger> see!
[17:26] <apachelogger> !!!!
[17:27] <Quintasan> ...
[17:27] <Quintasan> But your name is Harald, isn't it?
[17:27] <Quintasan> Sput: I bet you can't input this
[17:27] <Quintasan>  	☭
[17:27] <Quintasan> :O
[17:27] <apachelogger> I do not even get a letter for this :P
[17:27] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahaha
[17:27] <apachelogger> fail
[17:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hammer and sickle
[17:28]  * apachelogger reruns l10n scriptyness
[17:28] <Sput> you mean ☭?
[17:28] <Sput> yes I can
[17:28] <Quintasan> wat
[17:28] <Sput> compose + CCCP
[17:28] <Sput> obviously.
[17:28] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:28] <apachelogger> I want to note that Sput's version works
[17:28] <apachelogger> so clearly Quintasan is responsible for the fail
[17:28] <Sput> of course, because I'm sending proper utf8
[17:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I copypasted it
[17:28] <apachelogger> congrats
[17:28] <Quintasan> :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> Sput++
[17:29] <Quintasan> Sput: too bad since compose to C gives me ć
[17:29] <apachelogger> I would do like <3 Sput but since I do not get proper kde emoticons I will not
[17:29] <Sput> Quintasan: capital CCCP
[17:29] <Quintasan> Ć
[17:29] <Quintasan> :P
[17:29] <Sput> apachelogger: you mean ♥?
[17:29] <apachelogger> no
[17:29] <Sput> compose + <3 !
[17:29] <apachelogger> I mean proper kde emoticon
[17:29] <apachelogger> looking all oxygen and stuff
[17:30] <apachelogger> weeh
[17:30] <apachelogger> l10n builds go way faster without that crappy svn
[17:31] <apachelogger> and just for the record... konversation supports proper kde emoticons that look all oxygen and stuff!
[17:31] <apachelogger> !!!
[17:31] <nixternal> for the record, irssi ftw, emoticons suck!
[17:32]  * apachelogger throws a stone at nixternal
[17:32] <apachelogger> damn that bike helmet!
[17:32] <apachelogger> :P
[17:32]  * nixternal catches and uses it to cook a pizza on
[17:32] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:33] <apachelogger> eating pizza once a week reduces the risk of some cancer kinds
[17:33] <apachelogger> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/104547178/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
[17:33] <Sput> so one should be eating pizza while smoking?
[17:33] <Quintasan> huh
[17:33] <Quintasan> I enabled compose key in kde but it doesnt work, I also changed my layout to US
[17:34] <apachelogger> layout us ftw
[17:34] <apachelogger> Sput: I am not sure
[17:35] <apachelogger> aint me area of epxertise per se
[17:35] <Sput> Quintasan: US Intl!
[17:35]  * apachelogger notes that it is quite the PITA to do kde-l10n on a netbook -.-
[17:36] <Sput> (variant altgr-intl is what I have here)
[17:39] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:39]  * apachelogger goes doing things
[17:39] <Quintasan> after I type two C's I puts a C only :P
[17:42] <amichair> ewok
[17:43] <amichair> oops, wrong window (that's my most secret password :-P)
[17:48] <apachelogger> pff passwords are overrated anyway
[17:48] <apachelogger> looking for 777 is what we script kiddies to these days
[17:48] <apachelogger> s/to/do
[17:49]  * apachelogger continues doing things
[17:49] <amichair> yeah... besides, 4 chars is plenty. it'll take ages for someone to type in all combinations! even with altgr.
[17:49]  * amichair continues to pretend to do things
[18:27] <amichair> nixternal: can u verify the scp notification thing is fixed for u?
[18:27] <amichair> nixternal: the crash, that is
[18:27] <nixternal> let me see if it is time to upgrade
[18:28] <ScottK> I'm getting ready to do another workspace upload.  Does anyone else have anything to go ini before Beta 2 for workspace?
[18:29] <Riddell> depends if agateau and apachelogger came to any conclusion on the upgrade issue
[18:33] <ScottK> OK.  Pushed my changes in bzr so anyone can add to it.
[18:36]  * ScottK needs an RSS of notmart's KDE SVN committs to keep up with netbook bug fixes.
[18:37] <shtylman> ScottK: I think websvn lets you have that :)
[18:37]  * ScottK pokes at it
[18:45] <nixternal> amichair: scp isn't causing the popup anymore, so that is a good sign
[18:46] <amichair> nixternal: that's not actually anything I touched... I fixed the crash part :-)
[18:47] <amichair> nixternal: do u have that multi-lingual hook file in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ ?
[18:47] <nixternal> amichair: no, removed that the other day
[18:47] <nixternal> forgot about that
[18:50] <amichair> u pastebinned it somewhere... trying to find it
[18:56] <amichair> nixternal: the bottom part of http://paste.ubuntu.com/402496/ - can u throw it back into that folder?
[18:59] <nixternal> amichair: what is the file name again?
[18:59] <amichair> nixternal: doesn't matter. from line 31 onwards.
[19:00] <nixternal> amichair: groovy, no crash...pops up the selector when you hit details now
[19:00]  * nixternal removes that file as to not get that darn popup
[19:01] <amichair> nixternal: yay :-)
[19:01] <nixternal> as soon as I added that file, I got the notification, clicked details, and it worked :)
[19:01] <amichair> u can actually run it... it's something that was supposed to run instead of crashing long ago. should work now...
[19:03] <amichair> nixternal: thanks for confirming :-)
[19:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you get the upgrade thing sorted out with agateau?
[19:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: agateau is still working on it, but possibly we came up with an approach that could work
[19:07] <nixternal> amichair: no prob
[19:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  I'll wait a bit on my workspace upload then.  Please let me know if he gives up.
[19:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, if it works, then it will not require changes to workspace really
[19:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: What gets changed?
[19:08] <apachelogger> the indicator gets a second desktop file
[19:08] <ScottK> Oh.
[19:21]  * nixternal heads out for the rest of the day:  nixternal->(cycling);
[19:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually that seems to be working just fine ;)
[19:21] <apachelogger> from the limited testing I can do on my breaking machinery
[19:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: what weird language is that?
[19:22] <apachelogger> php? :P
[19:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: hf though
[19:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:33] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Colours" by The Prodigy 17 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:33] <apachelogger> hm
[19:33] <apachelogger> I am lagging so badly that not even lastfm is up to date -.-
[19:43] <apachelogger> omg
[19:43] <apachelogger> I am so cool
[19:43] <apachelogger> and good looking too
[19:44] <apachelogger> now if only aurelien were around to acknowledge that :/
[19:44] <jjesse> why are you so coool now?
[19:45] <lex79> jjesse: he is in front the mirror
[19:45] <apachelogger> I have the ultimate and most awesome to the indicator-name-change-problem
[19:45] <jjesse> the ultimate you say???
[19:45] <apachelogger> lex79: no no
[19:45] <Riddell> the most awesome you say??
[19:45] <amichair> but I think you lost a noun
[19:46] <apachelogger> right
[19:46] <apachelogger> solution
[19:46] <apachelogger> one that comes right after apachelogger-redoes-all-of-plasma-so-it-makes-sense in both ultimateness and awesomeness
[19:46] <apachelogger> and since I dont have time to redo plasma it is the ultimate and most awesome one
[19:47] <apachelogger> also kde-l10n is almost done for karmic
[19:47] <apachelogger> (I hope)
[19:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Does this new awesomeness need a workspace change?  I'm about to upload.
[19:48] <Riddell> ScottK: hold that upload, I've a new patch coming
[19:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: nope
[19:48] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48]  * apachelogger hates patches and thus all and every solution must work without patches to qualify for ultimate awesomeness
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell: The test build with my patch just finished successfully, so I guess I'll leave it to you to upload when you're ready.
[19:49]  * ScottK remembered to bzr add the patch this time.
[19:50]  * apachelogger uplodas final two l10n packages
[19:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent I am glad to announce: #kde l10n updates coming to a !kubuntu ppa near you soonish
[19:51] <kubotu> status updated
[19:52] <apachelogger> yay, new mapping magic also works
[19:52]  * apachelogger dances with amichair
[19:53]  * amichair dances with the ultimate awesome good-lookin dude
[19:56] <amichair> when apachelogger abruptly cuts in :-P
[19:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: l10n successfully backported to karmic using https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-karmic
[19:56] <apachelogger> amichair--
[19:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart amichair
[19:56]  * kubotu drops a truckload of VAXen on amichair
[19:56] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[19:57]  * apachelogger is looking for his evil grin and runs rm -rf *
[19:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: you're a genius
[19:59] <apachelogger> :)
[19:59] <apachelogger> now as for the indicator name change
[20:00] <apachelogger> *) add old indicatordisplay desktop file
[20:00] <apachelogger> *) change library name to new name
[20:00] <apachelogger> *) add NoDisplay=true
[20:00] <apachelogger> deploy that with the regular message-indicator package
[20:00] <apachelogger> then we have two options
[20:01]  * amichair shields himself with a commodre 64 he keeps nearby for emergencies
[20:01] <apachelogger> a) also deploy 00-update-displayindicator-name.js to ensure everything gets migrated nicely before our init/updates scripts get run
[20:01] <apachelogger> b) not deploy that file and let the regular updates script from kds take care of the renaming
[20:02]  * ScottK reminds amichair that C64 was made of flimsy plastic.  No protection there.
[20:02] <apachelogger> b obviously comes with the implciation that we would need to ship the old desktop file forever and 2 days
[20:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, just for this release.
[20:02]  * amichair boots the C64 in 128k mode for double protection!
[20:02] <ScottK> For Lucid +1 it could be dropped (like we drop old transitional packages)
[20:03] <apachelogger> nope
[20:03] <apachelogger> what if dearest user has moved the widget to some other panel
[20:03] <apachelogger> (remember: we only mess with the first panel regadless if there are others)
[20:03] <apachelogger> then his widget would not be migrated to the new name, since the update script does not affect other panels
[20:04] <apachelogger> meaning to prevent breakage at some point the indicatordisplay desktop file needs to be deployed for lucid+
[20:05] <apachelogger> hence I do very much think we should have a seperate update script in the message-indicator package
[20:05] <apachelogger> unless anyone can think of a reason why to not do that
[20:08] <Scorpiion> Riddell: Hello, will you be mentoring for multiple project in GSoC this summer? Just got curious since your name is on many ideas here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas
[20:08] <Scorpiion> Riddell: I find some of them interesting and would like to ask some more about it.. :)
[20:10] <lex79> ScottK: I removed doko's patch (now obsolete) in Qt, but he says the ftbs is due to another problem
[20:10] <ScottK> lex79: Was that part of the code touched by a recent patch?
[20:10] <larsivi> open office calc is not very usable/readable with a dark kde theme
[20:11] <lex79> need investigate, I don't know in this moment
[20:11] <ScottK> OK.  Please do.
[20:11] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:12] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.4.2 is fully built on i386 and amd64 now.  The last amd64 just missed the publisher run so it'll be on archive.ubuntu.com in ~100 minutes.
[20:12] <ScottK> Riddell: We're going to need NCommander for kdebindings on armel.
[20:13] <Riddell> ScottK: I think kdebindings just needs that smoke cp command not running on armel, we don't build smoke on arm currently as I remember
[20:13] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:13] <Riddell> Scorpiion: I can mentor multiple Kubuntu projects yes
[20:13] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:14] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey, sounds great! Have it been many people talking about these projects or? Just thinking if they are "taken" or so to say...
[20:14] <Riddell> Scorpiion: I've had quite a few enquires, few have followed up with a detailed proposal
[20:15] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey I see
[20:15] <NCommander> Riddell: I thought smoke got fixed
[20:15] <ScottK> NCommander: Please make it work.
[20:16] <Riddell> NCommander: "Disable smoke, csharp and ruby on armel, smoke segfaults"  that's the fix
[20:16] <Scorpiion> Riddell: I think these are interesting, Kubuntu File Sharing, Profile boot time and memory usage, Ubuntu One KDE client and Package Manager Improvements
[20:16] <Riddell> now lex79 added something to the build proccess for smoke and that needs turned off on armel, shouldn't be hard
[20:17] <Riddell> Scorpiion: isn't that all of them? :)
[20:17] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I should go through my mail
[20:17] <Scorpiion> Riddell: haha no 4 out of 5.. ;)
[20:17] <Riddell> Scorpiion: Profile boot time and memory usage isn't a well defined project, there's a very similar one on the KDE Ideas page so I'd follow up there for that one
[20:18] <Riddell> Scorpiion: package manager improvements either wants a port of Ubuntu Software Centre or UI improvements to kpackagekit, not sure which is best
[20:18] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey, if I should pick one out of these four, witch one do you think I would have the best chance at?
[20:18] <Riddell> Scorpiion: Ubuntu One KDE client is probably harder than it sounds, apachelogger did some initial work on it so he'd know what needs done
[20:19] <Scorpiion> okey
[20:19] <Riddell> and File Sharing is just something I've wanted done for ages
[20:19] <Scorpiion> hehe okey, that is nice :)
[20:19] <Riddell> Scorpiion: how's your c++, python, Qt and KDE hacking skills?
[20:21] <jjesse> should amarok be consuming 20%+ cpu all the time for me?
[20:21]  * apachelogger notes that he is very much against introducing more python runtime and unicode madness
[20:21] <Scorpiion> Riddell: well, I guess it's a little hard to messure, but I'm not a expert but not a beginer either..I would say I know more C and C++ that I do python..
[20:21] <Scorpiion> I have not done very much application development, more system programming.. but I like both
[20:22] <Riddell> Scorpiion: are you a kubuntu user?
[20:23] <Scorpiion> Riddell: yes I am.. :)
[20:23] <Scorpiion> Riddell: I also talking some to you on email maybe a year ago....
[20:23] <Riddell> Scorpiion: which of the issues above annoy you most?  that's a good indicator for which one would be good to work on
[20:24] <Scorpiion> I was trying to start a bussiness with kubuntu support for companys.. but I did not get the time to really make it happen..
[20:25] <Scorpiion> well I have always been a "terminal guy" or so to speak.. (used Linux for a little more than 4 years but still).. but I also like to have nice GUI apps as well, and the package manager in kubuntu is something that actualy bother my a little.. :P
[20:26] <dantti> hey JontheEchidna :D , I'm finishing to add the real printer-state-message to the kcm, and I think it would make more sence to use that message instead of the current job in the tray...
[20:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[20:27] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "No Good (Start The Dance)" by The Prodigy [Music For The Jilted Generation, 2007] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4kcBLVepesflQP345wKVeq] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the tray is supposed to show the status of the hardware
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> makes sense to me (tm)
[20:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna->queryStatus("akonadi");
[20:28] <dantti> JontheEchidna: right, now I have 4.4.2 in debian :D so I'll try to do some hacking there...
[20:28] <Riddell> Scorpiion: for the package manager we could do a port of Ubuntu Software Centre, which is a python app and ubuntu specific
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: To be honest I really don't wanna. :(
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> You know more about what needs done anyways
[20:29] <Riddell> Scorpiion: or we could look at adding an applications view into kpackagekit (currently it lists all packages which most users don't care about), that's c++ but probably also needs changes to packagekit which would be fairly complex
[20:29] <Riddell> Scorpiion: it could also be working with dantti and UI people to improve the kpackagekit UI
[20:29] <dantti> Riddell: how are applications defined in ubunto sw center?
[20:30] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey..
[20:30] <dantti> Scorpiion: or you can help me making a debconf-kde lib to add support for that in kpk :P
[20:30]  * apachelogger notes that improvements to kpk or joining the shaman forces is of greater value to kde distros at large though
[20:31] <Scorpiion> okey
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> dantti: pretty much like the PackageKit groups are now, actually
[20:31] <dantti> apachelogger: btw now with 4.4 I'll try to found some time to finish the updater icon..
[20:31]  * apachelogger is amazed by the speed of debian's package deployments :P
[20:31] <Scorpiion> kpk = kpackagekit right?
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> dantti: it just uses a .desktop file database to filter out packages that aren't applications
[20:32] <dantti> JontheEchidna: well i should be actually easy to add an "Applications" filter...
[20:32] <Riddell> dantti: we have a package app-install-data which includes all the .desktop files from all the packages in the archive (.desktop files get extracted at some point during the build process)
[20:32] <Scorpiion> yeah..
[20:32] <dantti> apachelogger: the problem afair is that debian is freeze now, and I'm actually using a non-official (but actually done by the same ppl) packages..
[20:33] <Scorpiion> dantti: debconf, I will google that...
[20:33] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:33] <Riddell> interestingly packagekit-backend-apt seems to depend on app-install-data, I wonder why
[20:33] <dantti> Riddell: hmm I thought it was some patch in apt which would make more sense
[20:33] <apachelogger> dantti: that is not much different from kubuntu, just that you dont get packages done by some ppl ;)
[20:33] <apachelogger> more like us ppl
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I had a question about my current GSoC proposal. Do you think it's enough work for a summer? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010/JonathanThomas
[20:34]  * apachelogger is wondering he should also craft up some proposal ^^
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> Alternately, I think continuing my work on LibQApt that I started last week (http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/) and using it to either implement a custom Kubuntu Software Center or a Shaman backend would definitely fill up a summer, if not more
[20:35] <dantti> Scorpiion: nice :D what I basically want to do is to take out from adept's code and make it into a lib, (since we don't have qt bindings for perl yet that would speed up debconf integration)
[20:36] <apachelogger> how about gsoc proposing that I fix akonadi on ubuntu ;)
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: If it was to fix akonadi in general maybe ;)
[20:36] <apachelogger> dude
[20:36] <Scorpiion> dantti: okey, is that enough work for a whole GSoC? *I not sure how big task that is*
[20:36] <apachelogger> akonadi is so broken
[20:37] <Scorpiion> I*m
[20:37] <apachelogger> you could waste your life fixing it on each and every distro
[20:37] <apachelogger> and that all comes from akonadi using mysql
[20:37] <apachelogger> and mysql is fundamentally wrong
[20:37]  * apachelogger doesnt wanna go there again and continues doing things
[20:38] <dantti> Scorpiion: well I never did a gsoc.. but that's is (seem) quite simple...
[20:38] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti: Add an application filter is a non trivial task. Beacuse applications and packages don't map one-to-one.
[20:38] <glatzor> adding
[20:38] <amichair> Riddell, apachelogger: how much work do u think is involved in bringing policykit to kpackagekit (assuming no previous knowledge of them)?
[20:38] <Scorpiion> dantti: yeah maybe not 2 months of fulltime work...
[20:38] <dantti> glatzor: why not? how do you install them?
[20:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> amichair: kpackagekit already uses PolicyKit. Software-properties is the project that needs it :)
[20:39] <apachelogger> amichair: kpk already uses policykit?
[20:39] <dantti> you must have some package installed...
[20:39] <apachelogger> ah
[20:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's looking pretty good now, you could add what you might work on incase you get it done early (adding language selection to KDM or getting kimpanel working with current ibus are random ideas), doesn't need to have any details
[20:39] <amichair> ohoh my bad :-)
[20:39] <glatzor> dantti, Riddell, basically it is possible with packagekit. but you would have to add an additional to the backend.
[20:39] <apachelogger> amichair: hard to tell since I havent seen the code of a python polkit implementation and neither one that works across kde and gnome in python
[20:40] <apachelogger> if it was only kde, it would be rather simplye thanks to magic api ^^
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> I know that jockey has some form of Polkit-have in the backend
[20:40] <glatzor> an additional layer
[20:40] <Riddell> Scorpiion: I'm not so interested in the debconf work myself and it's not my area of knowledge so I probably wouldn't mentor that
[20:41] <Scorpiion> Riddell: Okey, I think the other proposals seam more fun anyway.. Application view.. can you expain that a little more?
[20:41] <dantti> glatzor: Well I don't know how sw center maps that currently but changing packagekit is pretty easy once we have a good design...
[20:41] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti furhtermore you perhaps don't want to have an exclusive package or application view but a combined view as provided by spftware-centre nowadays
[20:42] <dantti> that's why a package filter is enough imo, if you want both just remove it....
[20:43] <dantti> like I want a cdburner filter("applications") and get k3b & friends...
[20:43] <Riddell> Scorpiion: instead of listing all the packages it should list only applications like software centre does, as glatzor says that might be quite complex because it needs packagekit changing to filter for only applications
[20:44] <Riddell> Scorpiion: and to match software centre it would include stuff like application icons, screenshots and reviews (which would be very tricky to do through packagekit)
[20:44] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey..
[20:44] <glatzor> Riddell, software-center shows both packages and applications.
[20:45] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti see you. have to leave
[20:45] <Riddell> Scorpiion: so a KDE port of software centre would be easier to do, but as apachelogger says that doesn't help KDE in general and it puts in back in a position of having to maintain our own package manager (which kpackagekit nicely means we avoid)
[20:45] <dantti> Riddell: reviews and screenshots are the most "complex" because it needs a break in API but it's definetly simple
[20:46] <dantti> the hardest part is finding a good design that Richard likes :P
[20:46] <Riddell> dantti: simple to do in a distro independent way?
[20:46] <dantti> I'm trying till now to add download size support but Richard didn't like it yet...
[20:46] <Scorpiion> interesting.. hm..
[20:47] <glatzor> dantti, or support time frame :/
[20:47] <dantti> Riddell: yes cause afaik those data could be oppened in a browser or just send the link to be fetched by kpk
[20:48] <dantti> glatzor: sorry don't get what you mean . :(
[20:48] <Riddell> so maybe the place to start is by asking on the packagekit list what needs done for application data support and if that's likely to be accepted
[20:48] <Scorpiion> Riddell: I have not used Ubuntu Software Center... but I have read some and there will/are(?) more things that kpackagekit has right? I should be able to buy software right? or I'm a totaly lost here? :S
[20:48] <Riddell> rgreening looked into it ages ago
[20:49] <Riddell> Scorpiion: yes that's right
[20:49] <dantti> Riddell: sure, I was thinking on doing something like that by myself but if more ppl get involved that might be better...
[20:50] <Riddell> Scorpiion: maybe installing software centre and working out what features it has which we should try and get into kpackagekit would be a nice start too
[20:51] <Scorpiion> Riddell: so is it possible to make sort of a plugin or kubuntu special version of kpackagekit that adds the "extra" part from software center? (Just thinking of a way to have one program instead of two)
[20:51] <Scorpiion> or is it a goal that it should be two separeted programs?
[20:52] <Riddell> Scorpiion: we don't want to fork kpackagekit
[20:52] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey
[20:52] <Scorpiion> I was more thinking of some externsion that could be applied.. but I understand..
[20:52] <Riddell> we'd want support for application listing in packagekit (rather than package listing) which includes application details like icon and screenshots and nice things like that
[20:53] <Riddell> then adding the UI for than in kpackagekit
[20:53] <Scorpiion> okey
[20:53] <Riddell> so that means keeping everyone happy on kubuntu side, kpackagekit (dantti) and packagekit (Richard Hughes mostly)
[20:54] <Scorpiion> Riddell: you think I have a better chance on that than a software center port? of course I could make two application thought.. but still.. :)
[20:54] <Scorpiion> I see
[20:54] <dantti> yup, basically the first thing imo would be to know how that work on sw center and see how to change it in PackageKit, then adding support for that in kpk should be quite easy
[20:55] <Riddell> Scorpiion: software center port would be easier to do, but it'll be kubuntu specific and we may not have time to maintian it within kubuntu in one two or five years time (that's why we use kpackagekit currently)
[20:55] <dantti> currently it shows icons for installed apps, adding a support for non installed ones would be a good start to get in touch with Pk code...
[20:56] <Scorpiion> I understand...
[20:56] <Scorpiion> dantti: yeah sounds like a good start to get to know some of the code...
[20:56] <dantti> Scorpiion: I think Riddell has a good point here, having a distro specif tool has less attention that a more widlely used app
[20:57] <dantti> which is easier to maintain..
[20:57] <Scorpiion> Yeah in the long run it is better.. :)
[20:57] <Riddell> Scorpiion: oh and also the packagekit-backend-apt author needs kept happy (glatzor) unless we switch to packagekit-backend-aptcc in which case it's dantti who needs kept happy again :)
[20:57] <Scorpiion> haha okey :P
[20:59] <Scorpiion> I think working on kpackagekit might be a good and fun task...:)
[20:59] <Riddell> and all done within the Ubuntu release schedule too (which doesn't necessarily match to the packagekit or kpackagekit release schedules)
[21:02] <neversfelde> we should consider to remove the microblogging applet from the default desktop, it looks really not good on small screens
[21:02] <Scorpiion> what we have talked about now is that also written down on some todo list or roadmap or similar?
[21:02] <Scorpiion> thinking of kpackagekit
[21:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: it shouldn't be there if the screen is < 1024, that's a bug
[21:03] <Riddell> Scorpiion: no i don't think it is
[21:03] <dantti> Scorpiion: afaik no, but Richard seems to be a fan of the applications idea... at least
[21:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok
[21:04] <Scorpiion> okey
[21:04]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with a long pointy stick of glitter
[21:04]  * JontheEchidna giggles
[21:05] <apachelogger> nothing to be gigling about!
[21:05] <Scorpiion> mhm.. I think I have to write that down then.. :P
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> Pillsbury DoughEnchilada
[21:05]  * apachelogger now has to compile mysql and akonadi on atom
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> :(
[21:06] <apachelogger> judging from the speed of fromer compile trials I might assume that atom was not made for compiling :S
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> Gotta go; my ride is here. I'll get home in 45 minutes or so
[21:10] <apachelogger> neversfelde: what size is the screen?
[21:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: it's an ideapad s12
[21:11] <neversfelde> one moment
[21:11] <Scorpiion> wrote down/ copy pasted some from this discution... anything you would like to add? :) http://pastebin.com/ByQeBZvH
[21:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger:  	30.7 cm ( 12.1" ) TFT
[21:12] <neversfelde> huh
[21:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: "30.7 cm ( 12.1" ) TFT"
[21:12] <neversfelde> weird
[21:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I mean the X screen (i.e. resolution of that thingy ;)
[21:13] <neversfelde> apachelogger: 1280 x 800
[21:13] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmm
[21:13] <apachelogger> that is within the constraints really
[21:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: a screenshot would be nice
[21:14] <apachelogger> my akonadi will not be built until tomorrow anyway -.-
[21:14]  * apachelogger should have known better and taken the laptop with him, despite the weight
[21:18] <Riddell> dantti: why does "reviews and screenshots" break packagekit API but application view wouldn't?
[21:18] <dantti> Riddell: because the way I thought to do it would be to add an "Applications" filter
[21:19] <Riddell> dantti: which is already part of the packagekit API?
[21:19] <dantti> reviews and screenshots even  if they are links they would need to break the package description signal...
[21:20] <dantti> Riddell: yes, we have GUI filter, installed, Free....
[21:20] <dantti> adding there is simple
[21:21] <Riddell> dantti: how does it know what packages to return?
[21:21] <dantti> Riddell: that's the backend task...
[21:21] <dantti> that's why investigating how sw center does is needed...
[21:22] <Riddell> dantti: it just uses the files in app-install-data
[21:22] <Scorpiion> dantti: okey sounds smart to look at that first..
[21:22] <Riddell> so maybe the backend just needs support for that
[21:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/wkNELYT.html
[21:23] <dantti> Riddell: and those .desktop files have the package-name to install right?
[21:23] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:23] <Riddell> dantti: yes
[21:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: our nice binary magnler cripples quassel l10n
[21:23] <Riddell> aptbackend already uses app-install-data for get_mapping_db
[21:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: the client only desktop file says (client only) in the name field... the name gets translated in the desktop file, as usual
[21:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: but then our mangler comes and strips the translation
[21:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: result: harald got an entry saying Quassel (Client only) in the menu :(
[21:24] <dantti> Riddell: yes that's basically mapping, and displaying only results from the .desktop data base (but emmiting REAL packages)
[21:24] <Riddell> dantti, Scorpiion: app-install-data .desktop files include packagename, popularity, and section (supported/not) which would all be nice to feature
[21:25] <Scorpiion> Riddell: okey
[21:28] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that is plasma being to stupid to take the size of the panel into account
[21:29] <apachelogger> if you screen was <800 the panel would be right of the folder view I think
[21:29] <apachelogger> <800 in height obviously ;)
[21:32] <neversfelde> apachelogger: mhh, I can live with removing microblog after the installation, but it is not nice for a new user to see it like this
[21:33]  * apachelogger wasnt clear enough in his statment
[21:33] <apachelogger> neversfelde: please throw the screenshot at aseigo and tell him to make plasma take the panel into account and hence position the microblag plasmoid right of the folderview instead of below it :P
[21:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: if I would do it, would that fix anything for lucid?
[21:34] <apachelogger> hm
[21:34] <apachelogger> depends on if we ship wiht 4.4.2 or .3
[21:34] <apachelogger> in either case
[21:35] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if you get him to fix it right away and backport to 4.3, then we can include it in .2 and have it fixed properly for lucid
[21:36] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am afraid I do not understand the details of this problem enough to talk to aseigo
[21:36] <apachelogger> neversfelde: just look at the screenshot you posted
[21:36] <apachelogger> obviously the microblag is underneath the panel
[21:37] <apachelogger> yet
[21:37] <apachelogger> right of the folderview plasmoid there is loads of space
[21:38] <neversfelde> best way, would be imo to remove this useless widget and provide a clean and good looking desktop with only folderview enabled :)
[21:38] <apachelogger> so instead of adding the microblag below the folderview and thus within the area occupied by the panel, plasma should notice that positioning below folderview will clash with panel and therefore add it right of the folder view
[21:38] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I would be all in favor of that, please post a request to the list
[21:39] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yet you would need to complain to aseigo, because even then the bug remains :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> you just dont see it anymore
[21:39]  * apachelogger will now initiate movement towards bed
[21:39] <apachelogger> o/
[21:39] <apachelogger> cyas
[21:39] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will put it on my todo, but I am starting something new next week, so I will probably need till 4.6.4 to get in touch with it again^^
[21:39] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm good on kdebase-workspace now (bug 540194 fixed), want to upload it?
[21:40] <Scorpiion> Riddell: I guess I should make a entery here later right? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010
[21:41] <Riddell> Scorpiion: yes that seems to be the thing to do
[21:42] <Scorpiion> :)
[21:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I can upload it if you didn't already.  Either way.
[21:51] <neversfelde> shtylman: the installer of the current daily is broken, if you choose german language and a german keyboard layout and activate "Eliminate dead keys" it crashes
[21:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Doesn't that get added to the language pack then?
[21:53] <shtylman> neversfelde: what is "eliminate dead keys"?
[21:54] <neversfelde> shtylman: it is a keyboard layout that eliminates keys with accents
[21:55] <Scorpiion> is it just me or is it hard to get into the kubuntu wiki right now? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010
[21:58] <ScottK> It's not rare for it to be slow.
[22:00] <Scorpiion> ScottK: okey, but I can't get on to it at all...
[22:00] <Scorpiion> oh now :)
[22:00] <ScottK> That's about right.  Wait long enough you're sure it won't work, wait a little longer, and there it is.
[22:04] <Riddell> ScottK: go for it
[22:04] <ScottK> OK.
[22:04] <shtylman> neversfelde: thanks... can you file a bug report and assing it to me?
[22:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Done
[22:05] <shtylman> *assign
[22:05] <neversfelde> shtylman: yes, I'll do, after I finish this installation
[22:05] <shtylman> neversfelde: thanks
[22:05] <neversfelde> shtylman: file it against ubiquity?
[22:06] <shtylman> neversfelde: indeed
[22:06] <neversfelde> ok
[22:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you want another upload with notmart's fix? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdebase/workspace/plasma/netbook/shell/plasmaapp.cpp?r1=1109721&r2=1109720&pathrev=1109721 - the last upload didn't hit the buildds yet, so uploading again won't slow things down.
[22:35]  * ScottK needs to head out very shortly, so don't wait on me.
[22:36] <Riddell> ScottK: that means testing and reverting my last change
[22:36] <Riddell> let's save it for after beta
[22:36] <ScottK> OK.
[22:37] <neversfelde> shtylman: bug report filed, let me know, if I can do any further testing
[22:42] <shtylman> neversfelde: thanks :)
[22:48] <Riddell> hmm, my knetworkmanager doesn't want to talk to network-manager
[22:48]  * Riddell adds the new logo to kickoff
[22:58] <lex79> is there a way to testbuild a package on ia64?
[22:59] <Riddell> not that I know of, maybe doko knows how?
[23:00] <lex79> I think he has also a ppa for doing this
[23:24] <debfx> Riddell: I have a new patch for kmozillahelper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407288/
[23:27] <larsivi> Riddell: re network-manager - it has been like that for me for 30 hours (at least)
[23:28] <Riddell> wibble
[23:28] <Riddell> debfx: groovy
[23:28] <Riddell> debfx: not sure I'll get to that tonight, will try
[23:30] <Riddell> nixternal: just rebooted, looking lovely
[23:32] <Riddell> -Architecture: any
[23:32] <Riddell> +Architecture: i386 amd64 ia64 powerpc sparc
[23:32] <Riddell> ScottK, NCommander: told you the fix for kdebindings would be easy :)
[23:35] <debfx> Riddell: no problem, thanks
[23:45] <on3_g> hi to all
[23:45] <Quintasan> on3_g: hello
[23:45] <on3_g> hello Quintasan
[23:46] <on3_g> Quintasan u know how can i get some mentoring for kubuntu packaging?
[23:47] <Oxymoron> Hey guys I discovered a bug that I wasnt able to fix until now. I tried everything with nvidia, xserver, mplayer, xine, remove ~/.kde, remove cairo-dock and everything I tried and nothing worked not in karmic and not in Lucid after an upgrade. The problem was that in VLC, Kaffeine and DragonPlayer especially I got a transparent window in video window, which mean that I saw the image from the things beneath video player. In
[23:47] <Oxymoron> KAffeine and Dragonplayer I bug searched in temrinal and got problem that ibus couldnt be initialized or something like that. Then I checked and ibus-qt4 was installed but not ibus itself. I installed that and then it magicly works perfect again. I dont know, is this bug known or not?
[23:47] <Riddell> on3_g: ask away
[23:47] <Quintasan> on3_g: First of all, I'd recommend that you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[23:47] <Riddell> Oxymoron: you installed ibus and it showed the video?
[23:48] <Quintasan> on3_g: and as Riddell said you can ask here if you run into problems
[23:49] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Yes, well installed ibus restarted xserver because xserver was updated some configs by ibus config. Then it just worked.
[23:49] <yofel> Riddell: acutally ubuntu-desktop recommends ibus ibus-gtk -m17n and -table, kubuntu-destkop only recommends ibus-qt4
[23:50] <on3_g> Riddel, Quintasan: i'm gonna read Packaging Guide and start to work
[23:50] <Riddell> Oxymoron: that's nuts
[23:50] <Oxymoron> Riddell: As far as I know I havent removed ibus or anything like that before. I have been struggling around with this in ages since long time ago and never got any solution in karmic and couldnt find out what problem were.
[23:50] <Riddell> Oxymoron: what happens if you remove ibus again?
[23:50] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Yes tell me about it, but now I am happy as I dont know :)
[23:51] <Oxymoron> Riddell: I dont going to remove ibus now when it work
[23:52] <yofel> Oxymoron: do you remember if installing ibus pulled other packages with it?
[23:53] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes, some other libibus and maybe one or to more packages but I dont remember which ones.
[23:53] <Oxymoron> yofel: Is it possible to see bash cache output I can check?
[23:55] <yofel> Oxymoron: rather the dpkg log I think /var/log/apt/history.log (or term.log)
[23:57] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes here we have it: ""
[23:57] <Oxymoron> Start-Date: 2010-04-01  00:33:43
[23:57] <Oxymoron> Install: libibus1 (<IP_ADDRESS>91215-1ubuntu4), python-appindicator (0.0.18-0ubuntu1), ibus (<IP_ADDRESS>91215-1ubuntu4), python-ibus (<IP_ADDRESS>91215-1ubuntu4)
[23:57] <Oxymoron> End-Date: 2010-04-01  00:34:01
[23:57] <Oxymoron> yofel: That was when I run apt-get install ibus
[23:57] <Oxymoron> sudo apt-get install ibus* xD
[23:57] <yofel> thanks
[23:59] <Oxymoron> yofel: Hopefully noone else will get this problem again. Weird I havent heard from more people with same problem.
[23:59] <Oxymoron> Maybe most people use VLC :D