[00:01] <bcurtiswx> Ok, quick poll.  best IRC client?
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> im debating, empathy, irssi, xchat
[00:03] <BUGabundo> pidgin
[00:03]  * BUGabundo runs
[00:03] <rooks> xchat-gnome is what i use, it has notifications, and it does look decent
[00:03] <BUGabundo> no weechat ?
[00:03] <yofel> erm, empathy is actually considered as an irc client? (my votes: CLI: irssi GTK: xchat QT4: quassel)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> mIRC
[00:04]  * BUGabundo runs faster
[00:04] <yofel> rofl
[00:04] <bcurtiswx> yofel: lol.  yeah I promote empathy.. but I really haven't found a fav
[00:04]  * rooks slaps BUGabundo around with a large trout
[00:04]  * bcurtiswx is using irssi atm
[00:04]  * yofel throws a bunch of XWindows after BUGabundo and hides
[00:04]  * bcurtiswx shoves BUGabundo into the next network
[00:05] <BUGabundo> webchat.freenode.net (no ssl) using IE6
[00:05] <BUGabundo> /me runs faster then Tyson Gay
[00:05] <bcurtiswx> can xchat be minimized to the indicator-applet and not hog window chooser space?
[00:06] <shadeslayer> bcurtiswx: quassel :P
[00:06] <rooks> bcurtiswx, it can show icon in tray when somone messages you, and also it can issue a that handy notification that shows in same are where wlan-connected is showed
[00:06] <shadeslayer> you can run a instance of quassel core on your server and leave it online as long as the server is online
[00:07] <rooks> bcurtiswx, xchat-gnome at least comes with default plugins that can do that
[00:07]  * bcurtiswx will try that out
[00:09] <bcurtiswx> brb
[00:11] <rooks> can somone message me? so i can do screenshot on how it works?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:13] <rooks> http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I won't even dare ask how SLOW you PC is
[00:14] <BUGabundo> with that theme , thanks to the GTK bug
[00:14] <rooks> ?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> care to run gtrpref ?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> *gtk
[00:15] <rooks> it works fast, its on msi wind u100+
[00:15] <rooks> in a sec
[00:17] <rooks> BUGabundo,  http://pastebin.ca/1923776
[00:17] <BUGabundo> Total time: 34.58
[00:17] <BUGabundo> on a dust / dark human mix
[00:18] <rooks> 43.sth
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I can make it go as low as 16 sec
[00:18] <rooks> i dont care :)
[00:18] <BUGabundo> in clearlooks
[00:18] <BUGabundo> its SLOW
[00:18] <BUGabundo> believe me
[00:18] <rooks> cozy > fast
[00:18] <BUGabundo> anything above 20/30
[00:19] <rooks> i like it that way, i ran archlinux with openbox for last few years, and i now want cozy :)
[00:19] <rooks> and withas little tweeks to the system as possible
[00:19] <rooks> i run it with compiz on my netbook
[00:19] <rooks> btw
[00:21] <bcurtiswx> hmm xchat-gnome-indicator just spawns xchat windows :(
[00:21] <rooks> bcurtiswx,  http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/
[00:23] <rooks> bcurtiswx, there are 2 plugins, one spawns taskbar, other spawns that indicataor boubble
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> rooks, yes i have them both
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> brb
[00:25] <rooks> BUGabundo, at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible :)
[00:32] <rooks> bcurtiswx,  at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible, that what led me to chosing xchat-gnome to have something gui-simple to use, it might not work for you if you want some more customizations or other thingies out of it
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> xchat-gnome-indicator needs work.. it just spawns xchat gnome sessions'
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> rooks: OK thx
[01:02] <tjlytle> Installed the netbook alpha 3 last night on a Dell mini. Installation seemed to run fine, but now I just get a blinking '_' on boot. If I hit the right shift, I just get 'GRUB loading' with the blinking '_' on the next line. Didn't see anything about that online, known issue?
[01:11] <Dink> tjlytle: do you get a terminal ? ctrl-alt-f2 or what not
[01:12] <tjlytle> dink: Was trying last night - I think I tried that. I'll check real quick.
[01:13] <tjlytle> Yeah, no terminal. Can't even seem to get to the grub menu (just hangs with 'GRUB Loading').
[01:14] <Dink> can't even get into grub menu ?
[01:15] <Dink> Try reinstalling grub using livecd
[01:16] <tjlytle> I hit shift on boot and just get a 'GRUB loading' then the blinking '_'.
[01:16] <tjlytle> That's what I'm about to try - just was wondering if this was a known issue or just something weird.
[01:17] <Dink> I actually had that on my acer netbook but I think it was with alpha2
[01:17] <tjlytle> Of course, while the ship with Ubuntu, these Dells don't seem to get along well with newer versions.
[01:18] <Dink> Not sure about mini but dells always have hidden partitions. Wonder if grub didn't get installed properly
[01:18] <Dink> but yea try to manual install it
[01:19] <tjlytle> Hmm...good point. I know I wiped the whole disk on my other Mini, but this was an install on a 'stock' system.
[01:19] <tjlytle> Still just did a 'use the whole disk' in install though.
[01:41] <jamesw> hi
[01:41] <jamesw> i get a bunch of 'ignoring file' statements on my apt-get installs, can someone please help? http://pastebin.com/5MNJuh6q
[04:29] <DanaG> argh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/612432
[09:51] <Viglite> Thank you.
[10:35] <htorque> wow, i just deleted a 300mb .xsession-errors file full of nautilus warnings oO
[11:31] <Machtin> uhm.. any hint why i get freezes so frequently? like system freezes, mouse still works, but nothing else.
[11:31] <Machtin> (except it being alpha)
[15:12] <dp> after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas?
[15:48] <kklimonda> hey, is anyone else having problem with X using a lot of cpu? I'm using nvidia closed drivers
[15:50] <Volkodav> yes - my xorg is averaging 35 % CPU
[16:27] <lauser> When I try to install the Ubuntu Maverick daily alternate, I can't get the alternate CD to boot. It says "Unknown key word in config file" before even getting to the menu.
[16:29] <lauser> The desktop CD boots, but I already tried installing from it. Ubuiqity trashed my hard drive, so I'm going to stick with alternate CDs for a little while.
[16:29] <lauser> Any ideas?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Could be a problem with today's image. I have not gotten it to sync yet today, my connection is bad
[16:31] <lauser> charlie-tca: It's been doing this for about two weeks now.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I have been able to install images here
[16:34] <lauser> charlie-tca: Must be something with my hardware. Wonder what, though...
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Try a hard drive check, maybe
[16:35] <charlie-tca> are the cd's passing the integrity checks?
[16:35] <lauser> charlie-tca: It's not getting far enough for me to run an integrity check.
[16:36] <lauser> (Also, the images are oversized, so I'm running them on a thumb drive)
[16:36] <lauser> charlie-tca: Oddly, it works in VirtualBox.
[16:37] <lauser> Maybe it's a problem with my thumb drive, I'll try a different one.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> hmm, wonder if they are losing something coming off the thumb drive then?
[16:41] <lauser> charlie-tca: I'm running md5sum now, I'll find out.
[16:44] <lauser> charlie-tca: Output of md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep "FAILED": http://pastebin.com/R5enQXBM
[16:44] <lauser> charlie-tca: Looks like three files are missing.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> that could be the issue, then
[16:47] <lauser> charlie-tca: Hm, don't think so. Those files are symbolic links, and they look like they're only for netboots.
[16:47] <lauser> (That also explains why they weren't on the thumb drive; it's a FAT filesystem, which of course doesn't support symbolic links)
[16:50] <lauser> charlie-tca: I'm leaving to try again.
[17:35] <Machtin> How could I check why my system keeps freezing?
[17:36] <mikebeecham>  hi guys...does anyone know when the Ubuntu Sans font will be released?
[17:59] <kklimonda> mikebeecham: when it's ready - you can download the current beta version if you have an LP account and are a member of kubuntu-users group
[18:08] <kklimonda> bah, lets see If I can get smaller Xorg usage from open drivers - even switching virtual desktops is painful :/
[18:13] <Ian_corne> kklimonda: which driver are you using atm?
[18:14] <Ian_corne> Is the nvidia driver working yet?
[18:15] <kklimonda> Ian_corne: 255.44 works
[18:15] <kklimonda> you have to add IgnoreABI to xorg.conf
[18:15] <kklimonda> 256.44&
[18:15] <Ian_corne> ok
[18:57] <skydrome> anyone know why this happens? using fileroller to extract an archive, the progress bar is always in the middle
[19:31] <mikebeecham> kklimonda, thanks mate...I guess by my question "whats an LP account?" would mean I'm not supposed to have the beta :D
[19:31] <Pici> launchpad.
[19:32] <mikebeecham> ahhh ok
[19:32] <mikebeecham> I've started doing some Ubuntu wallpaper packs, and I'm using png logos at the moment...which doesn't help!  There is a font out there which I nabbed, but dont think it's the sans...I think it's a "made to look like it"
[20:15] <dp> after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> ssd is here
[20:24] <BUGabundo> preping pendrive with daily cd image
[20:24] <BUGabundo> any last advice ?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> I'll try both ext4 and btrfs
[20:24] <BUGabundo> AFAIK I need /boot to be on non-btrfs right?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> $ sudo usb-creator-gtk -i maverick-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:38] <yofel_> BUGabundo: right, for btrfs on / you need ext /boot for now, and if you use ext4 on a SSD you might want to add the 'discard' mount option as TRIM is disabled by defaul on ext4 AFAIK
[20:39] <BUGabundo> will try btrfs 1st
[20:39] <BUGabundo> how do I enable trim?
[20:40] <BUGabundo> brb rebooting to test pendrive with Maverick, and if ok, replacing disk
[20:40] <Volkodav> just put ssd option in fstab
[20:40] <BUGabundo> okat
[20:41] <Volkodav> if it doen not detect it at install
[20:41] <BUGabundo> you guys will tell me all about it
[20:41] <BUGabundo> when I return on a fresh isntall
[21:40] <CarlFK> why does System, Prefs, Power Management only have 2 tabs: "On AC Power" and "General" ?  (no battery power tab or settings)
[21:48] <mfraz74> is the package ubuntu-netbook still installable in ubuntu 10.10?
[21:53] <yofel> !info ubuntu-netbook maverick | mfraz74
[21:54] <mfraz74> yofel: so i could install that instead of unity?
[21:54] <yofel> that I don't know
[21:56] <mfraz74> ok
[21:56] <ripps> ubuntu-netbook depends on unity
[21:56] <mfraz74> oh :(
[22:10] <DrHalan> where do i find packages for evolution 2.31/2.32?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> DrHalan: maybe in a ppa? the latest version in Maverick is 2.30.2, so anything later will either be at the developers or in a PPA
[22:28] <DrHalan> charlie-tca: yeah already searched launchpad but didn't find anyhting
[22:29] <charlie-tca> here is the ftp for it from gnome - http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/evolution/2.31/
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Looks like it is packaged for Debian Sid too
[22:31] <charlie-tca> hmm, nope
[22:32] <yofel> !info evolution unstable
[22:32] <yofel> nope, 2.30.3
[22:33] <charlie-tca> You would have to compile it yourself - http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml
[22:47] <yofel> hm, kernel -18 gives me some error about being unable to initalize i915 right and that it disabled graphics turbo mode. Erm, I have an nvidia card...
[22:48] <yofel> anyone else got something like that?
[22:48] <yofel> it does start fine after that though
[22:55] <smallfoot-> why does Ubuntu "Maverick" 10.10 install Java, but Ubuntu 10.04 don't have Java installed by default?
[22:56] <yofel> depends on what is pulling java in, java doesn't explicitely belong to the default installtion in maverick either
[22:57] <smallfoot-> but java is in maverick dfeault install
[22:57] <smallfoot-> why?
[23:00] <yofel> well, because a package that *is* in the default install depends on it, I don't know more either without digging into the package dependencies
[23:06] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:08] <smallfoot-> when will ubuntu have python3?
[23:09] <yofel> not for a while I think, the python 2.7 rebuilds didn't go well, so we'll still have 2.6 as default in maverick
[23:09] <bjsnider> yofel, i'd say the i915 thing is just the kernel being too verbose
[23:10] <yofel> bjsnider: I agree, was just irritated as -16 doesn't give me that
[23:12] <bjsnider> well, every time i boot lucid it says "failed to open /dev/null" which is very annoying
[23:12] <yofel> o.O
[23:13] <bjsnider> i wonder if those two issues might be related to nvidia not having kms
[23:13] <smallfoot-> is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice?
[23:24] <smallfoot-> is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice?
[23:25] <smallfoot-> i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I SURVIVED!!!!!
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ssd running fine
[23:30] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you mad
[23:30] <charlie-tca> e it
[23:30] <BUGabundo> I am, sir
[23:31] <BUGabundo> now need to migrate all stuff
[23:31] <BUGabundo> already reinstalled most of the app
[23:31] <charlie-tca> grandson helping type
[23:31] <BUGabundo> gotta love dselect
[23:31] <charlie-tca> he's only 18 months
[23:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hi charlie granson
[23:32] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:32] <BUGabundo> how the H do I boot from the old disk, now that it is outside in USB?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> it stall at grub
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Re-install grub
[23:33] <charlie-tca> or run sudo update-grub
[23:33] <BUGabundo> so, chroot and update it ?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> won't it mess primary system?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't chroot
[23:33] <BUGabundo> you don't ?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but its another system
[23:33] <charlie-tca> sure! I am positive it will mess with primary system...
[23:33] <BUGabundo> another disk, not even running the OS
[23:33] <BUGabundo> that's what I DON'T wanna do
[23:33] <BUGabundo> so chroot is the way
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I don't anything about chroot. I am just a simple user
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but it won't know its running over usb
[23:34] <BUGabundo> yeah right
[23:34] <BUGabundo> you and your 18 month kid
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:34] <charlie-tca> both of us are simple users
[23:35] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: before I left you were saying something about fstab?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> funny enough not seeing any slow down in aptitude
[23:37] <BUGabundo> as mention in the btrfs bug
[23:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe not everyone sees it?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> !controls
[23:41] <BUGabundo> that's better :DDDDD
[23:41] <BUGabundo> MAUAU
[23:41] <BUGabundo> my last boot was of 23 secs
[23:41] <BUGabundo> the second boot in SSD after install was 13 sec
[23:43] <smallfoot-> i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common?
[23:43] <smallfoot-> WHY MAVerick needs java?
[23:43] <smallfoot-> maverick installs java by default
[23:43] <smallfoot-> why??
[23:43] <smallfoot-> lucid didnt do this
[23:43] <smallfoot-> this is fault of openoffice?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> 238MB/s
[23:45] <BUGabundo> $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[23:45] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda:
[23:45] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   2958 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1479.15 MB/sec
[23:45] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  676 MB in  3.01 seconds = 224.83 MB/sec
[23:49] <BUGabundo> its stupid nvidia blob and SSHD that are making my boot 10 sec slower :(
[23:52] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:53] <smallfoot->  Timing cached reads:   3252 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1626.62 MB/sec
[23:53] <smallfoot->  Timing buffered disk reads:  694 MB in  3.01 seconds = 230.58 MB/sec
[23:53] <smallfoot-> Intel X-25M G2 80 gb SSD, bitch!
[23:54] <BUGabundo> really faster then mine
[23:54] <BUGabundo> let me compare ext4 vs btrfs
[23:54] <smallfoot-> i use ext4
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I need one of those things, too.
[23:54] <smallfoot-> but im using CFQ, i should be using Deadline
[23:54]  * charlie-tca also needs a computer that will boot from ssd's
[23:55] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1: (ext4)
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   3230 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1615.89 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  694 MB in  3.01 seconds = 230.79 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda5: (BTRFS)
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   3088 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1544.67 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  704 MB in  3.00 seconds = 234.45 MB/sec
[23:55] <smallfoot-> not much change
[23:55] <smallfoot-> what scheduler you use?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> stock MM
[23:56] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:56] <BUGabundo> what should I use in fstab to make it nicer?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> discard ?!
[23:57] <smallfoot-> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[23:58] <BUGabundo> noop deadline [cfq]
[23:58] <smallfoot-> ya, i use cfq too
[23:59] <smallfoot-> i heard noop and deadline yields better performance on SSD
[23:59] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:59] <BUGabundo> as I said, it's a fresh install of daily MM


[00:12] <o|||||o> can anyone help me understand part of a tutorial?
[00:13] <o|||||o> i'm at the authroisation section(towards the bottom) and what do i do with the line that starts with deploy? just run it? https://capistranorb.com/documentation/getting-started/authentication-and-authorisation/
[00:14] <sarnold> heh, a *lot* of those lines have 'deploy' in them :)
[00:15] <sarnold> this one feels most likely to me, is this it?
[00:15] <sarnold> deploy ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/mysqld, /etc/init.d/apache2
[00:16] <sarnold> if so, that's a bit of a sudo config file; the documentation is horrible, but extensive; the sudoers(5) manpage has tons of detail. you can put that line in place with visudo
[00:16] <sarnold> I'm worried about those docs, though, they suggest granting permissions to the sysv-init scripts for starting mysqld and apache2, which is a rare way to work these days; I wonder if this has been updated lately
[00:17] <o|||||o> yes sorry, didn't think about how many deploys are in there but yes that's the one
[00:18] <tomreyn> great, i just answered the same question in #linux
[00:20] <sarnold> tomreyn: did we come to the same conclusion? :)
[00:20] <o|||||o> yes lol
[00:20] <tomreyn> i didn't comment on the use of likely outdated init scripts, so your answer was better, sarnold
[00:21] <sarnold> :D
[00:21] <o|||||o> sarnold, what would you recommend instead?
[00:22] <sarnold> o|||||o: no idea, it's possible that the deploy thing they're documenting is just not updated for systemd world
[00:22] <sarnold> o|||||o: or perhaps it has been documented and those tips are now useless
[00:22] <sarnold> o|||||o: worst case, you might have to read the source of the tool to figure out what it's going to do
[01:25]  * oerheks looking at https://github.com/capistrano/capistrano
[02:39] <jay321> trying dpkg -i gcc-8-riscv64-linux-gnu_8.4.0-1ubuntu1_18.04cross1_amd64.deb
[02:40] <jay321> https://pastebin.com/9pgR5pr4
[02:40] <rbox>  gcc-8-riscv64-linux-gnu depends on cpp-8-riscv64-linux-gnu (= 8.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04cross1); however:
[02:40] <jay321> is there an dpkg switch to resolve dependencies? i dont want to do it manually
[02:41] <rbox> well if you're randomly downloading deb files
[02:41] <rbox> where do you think its going t oget the dependency from
[02:42] <jay321> i tried add the mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list, but failed to apt-update install because the public key is not available from InRelease from bionic-security
[02:43] <sarnold> what ubuntu release are you running?
[02:43] <jay321> it is 22.04.1 LTS
[02:44] <jay321> https://pastebin.com/JHpKgwCZ
[02:46] <sarnold> jay321: you may find it easier to use lxd to start a bionic image in order to use that old of a compiler
[02:47] <sarnold> .. trying to install very old software is sometimes difficult, it's usually easier to just run the old OS, too
[02:47] <jay321> this is in windows 10
[02:48] <sarnold> ah, I wonder if we had a bionic in WSL or not
[02:48] <sarnold> why do you need an old compiler anyway?
[02:49] <jay321> sarnold: building embedded linux for nexys a7
[02:49] <sarnold> :/
[02:49] <sarnold> that might be reason enough for the weird old compiler then, heh
[02:49] <jay321> how can i get lxd?
[02:50] <jay321> tried apt-get install lxd?
[02:50] <sarnold> I doubt lxd will run in windows
[02:50] <jay321> its ubuntu on lxd
[02:50] <jay321> its ubuntu on win10
[02:50] <jay321> sorry
[02:51] <sarnold> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-wsl2-on-windows-11-with-gui-support#3-download-ubuntu
[02:51] <sarnold> that screenshot shows there was an 18.04 LTS version at some point
[02:53] <jay321> use 18.04 LTS?
[02:53] <sarnold> yeah, that compiler version string indicates it was built for 18.04
[02:55] <sarnold> jay321: maybe try this? https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/ubuntu-18045-lts/9PNKSF5ZN4SW?hl=en-us&gl=us  -- once you're installed, then: sudo apt update && sudo apt install gcc-8-riscv64-linux-gnu
[02:57] <jay321> ok it is getting from the app store!
[02:57] <sarnold> \o/
[02:57] <jay321> thank you : )
[02:59] <jay321> ok installed
[03:01] <sarnold> heh that's nice and quick :)
[03:02] <jay321> im onto the vivado-risc-v instruction now, there will be some time to elapse before the bootstrap, https://github.com/eugene-tarassov/vivado-risc-v
[03:03] <jay321> sarnold: it is succeeding thou
[03:04] <sarnold> oooo fpga fun! that's neater than I expected ;) hah
[03:04] <jay321> yeah got to control some radars
[03:06] <jay321> they all want to deve some vhdl or verilog, but i like embedded linux better, and device drivers
[03:07] <jay321> juniper is all embedded freebsd
[03:08] <jay321> sarnold, i think i remember you from freenode?
[03:08] <jay321> i was over there until they said to come here for ubuntu helps
[03:08] <sarnold> jay321: yeah, probably :) your nickname is a bit familiar, yeah
[03:09] <sarnold> jay321: I was there from the start of freenode until the death
[03:09] <jay321> cool throw back
[03:09] <jay321> where are you at?
[03:09] <sarnold> portland, oregon, usa
[03:09] <jay321> ohh im near san luis obispo, ca
[03:10] <jay321> after freenode died, what happened to everyone? i still see them hanging out for some reasons
[03:14] <jay321> sarnold: are you on linked in?
[03:15] <sarnold> jay321: well, sortof -- i've got an account, but basically never use it :)
[03:15] <sarnold> so I get emails about work anniversaries and so on but never keep my own info there updates
[03:16] <sarnold> I haven't got a clue why the guy who claimed to buy it decided to throw the whole thing away. insecurity and a desperate need to have his ego stroked..
[03:29] <jay321> sarnold: is the rose by another name, by chance, "gates"
[03:29] <jay321> sarnold: ?
[03:30] <sarnold> jay321: 'gates' doesn't sound familiar :/
[03:31] <jay321> sarnold: bill gates?
[03:31] <sarnold> jay321: hah, no, as far as I know bill gates has no idea about irc, at all :)
[03:34] <jay321> sarnold: can i get x11 to start?
[03:34] <jay321> i was trying xterm, but doesnt open display
[03:35] <jay321> network split messages flooding the channel in web chat
[03:36] <sarnold> jay321: yeah, these quits and joins are brutal :(
[03:37] <Unit193> Server timing out.
[03:37] <sarnold> jay321: there's *some* gui support, but I really don't know how good it is seats
[03:37] <sarnold> 'seats'??? thanks firefox.
[03:37] <sarnold> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/tutorials/gui-apps
[03:38] <rock> i am using armbian. how can i check whether i enable my gpu?
[03:38] <rock> 1
[03:39] <sarnold> rock: it'd probably be better to ask in an armbian support forum -- you'll more likely find people who know what you're talking about :)
[03:39] <rock> thank u
[04:02] <thinkserverr> primera vez que entro acá
[04:02] <thinkserverr> alguien por aqui?
[04:02] <thinkserverr> o yo solo en todo esto?
[04:58] <alireza> I'm looking for a tool that can provide 10 minutes disk speed average. Thanks
[05:00] <arraybolt3> alireza: Disk speed average? How do you mean?
[07:19] <kamelosis> hi
[07:20] <kamelosis> I need help
[07:22] <guiverc> kamelosis, providing you OS/release details, and a brief description of your problem & people will help when/as they're able to
[07:22] <guiverc> !help
[07:24] <kamelosis> !help
[07:24] <gef> kamelosis: what do you need help with?
[07:26] <kamelosis> Zorin Os 16.2 (linux), Im traying to add a new channel, but I cant (Sorry for my english, sucks, I know)
[07:27] <pit> asd
[07:27] <guiverc> kamelosis, Zorin isn't Ubuntu and thus off-topic here, you'll need to ask on a Zorin site
[07:27] <pit> Benec, Mirkó itt vagytok?
[07:28] <tomreyn> !hu | pit
[07:29] <kamelosis> ok, genial, nadie habla español aqui :(
[07:29] <tomreyn> !es | kamelosis
[07:29] <tomreyn> but this channel only supports ubuntu either
[07:30] <guiverc> there are many non-english support sites for Ubuntu, but you need Zorin support kamelosis
[07:31] <guiverc> (there are two spanish sites for Ubuntu for example; but they won't help with Zorin being Ubuntu or flavor of Ubuntu only)
[07:31] <guiverc> (correction 4; 2x support + ubuntu-studio & translator IRC channels in spanish)
[07:32] <screenboi> murmel: The issue with my dock and monitors is resolved by downgrading the nvidia-driver version; Didn't know it was updated. I really should pin that.
[07:32] <kamelosis> thanks so much
[07:42] <pit> Guys can anyone recommend me a good django tutorial for linux?
[07:45] <Maik> pit: non ubuntu related questions can better be asked in #ubuntu-offtopic or #linux since it's a general linux question
[07:46] <tykling> pit: or in #django
[07:46] <Maik> or that indeed
[07:46] <pit> thank you!
[07:46] <Maik> np
[08:27] <TheBigK_> does anyone know when the security update for vlc is released in ubuntu lts? i wonder why nothing happens since debian has this update for 4 days already
[08:31] <murmel> TheBigK_: good question, you can follow this site to see if an update was pushed https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-41325
[08:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu- An integer overflow in the VNC module in VideoLAN VLC Media Player through <IP_ADDRESS> allows attackers, by tricking a user into opening a crafted playlist or connecting to a rogue VNC server, to crash VLC or execute code under some conditions. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-41325>
[08:31] <guiverc> TheBigK_, if you know the CVE for the issue, you can look it up
[10:16] <hid3> Greetings everyone. Is there any way to get logged in users counts but excluding tmux sessions? Something like `who | grep -v tmux | wc -l`. Wondering if that number is stored somewhere (possibly in /proc ..?)
[10:31] <SteelRose> hid3: last  ... ?
[10:48] <tem> Hey folks, I seem to be having a weird permissions problem with gedit. It's probably something basic because I've been using Linux for only a few hours, but I did a web search and didn't find anything.
[10:49] <tem> So I installed gedit from the Ubuntu Software center, and I created a folder in my home folder with the command "mkdir .themes" because I want to customize the GNOME theme and I read that copying it into this folder is a good idea.
[10:49] <tem> But when I try to open .themes in gedit I get a permission denied error!
[10:51] <tem> So I checked the permissions with "ls -ld .themes" and it says: drwxrwxr-x 3 tem tem 4096 Dec  9 10:38 .themes
[10:51] <EriC^^> tem: you want to create a file there i guess
[10:52] <EriC^^> gedit ~/.themes/my_file
[10:52] <tem> Well sort of, I want to edit the file ~/.themes/Yaru/gtk-3.0/gtk.css and it won't let me, but even just trying to open the .themes folder or creating a new file in it results in the same error, yes.
[10:53] <Maik> tem: weird that you had to install gedit from the software center because gedit is pre-installed by default on Ubuntu
[10:54] <EriC^^> tem: type "ls -ld /home{,/$USER}"
[10:55] <tem> I did see the "Text Editor" app, but some AskUbuntu answer said to use gedit so I installed that, which also is called "Text Editor" but they have different process names -- the default is called "gnome-text-editor" and the one I downloaded is called "gedit", so I downloaded the real gedit.
[10:56] <Maik> Text Editor = Gedit :)
[10:56] <tem> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 4096 Dec  6 16:30 /home/
[10:56] <tem> drwxr-x--- 18 tem  tem  4096 Dec  7 14:24 /home/tem
[10:57] <tem> Ok, so the default Text Editor has no problem accessing .themes
[10:59] <EriC^^> tem: what happens if you type 'gedit ~/.themes/test' as the user 'tem' ?
[11:00] <tem> It opens a new editor window, but when I CTRL+S it says "could not save the file... You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file"
[11:01] <EriC^^> tem: try 'touch ~/.themes/test' in a terminal
[11:01] <tem> EriC^^: works just fine, it created a new file
[11:02] <tem> I also checked the permissions in the Software Center and everything is enabled.
[11:02] <mihon> Are there anyway to hide folders without messing up the path way to the program?
[11:04] <EriC^^> tem: try from the same terminal, typing 'gedit ~/.themes/test' and adding some text and saving
[11:04] <EriC^^> mihon: what exactly do you mean? you want to avoid typing /path/to/program to run it you mean?
[11:04] <tem> EriC^^: Yes, it's the same terminal! Is it hard to believe?
[11:05] <mihon> EriC^^ Yes, when i try to hide the Powerlevel10K folder it cant find the folder when starting the terminal.
[11:05] <mihon> So i get an error message that it can not find the path to the folder
[11:06] <EriC^^> mihon: how are you hiding the folder?
[11:06] <EriC^^> tem: yeah, pretty odd stuff
[11:06] <mihon> I put a DOt infront of it, i even tried create a hidden folder and put it in there
[11:07] <EriC^^> mihon: ok, and how are you running the program later?
[11:08] <mihon> For instance powerlevel10k is theme to ZSH. So i get this message "/home/mihon/.zshrc:source:109: no such file or directory: /home/mihon/powerlevel10k/powerlevel10k.zsh-theme
[11:08] <mihon> "
[11:09] <mihon> I want to hide folders without having to change the pathway to all files and programs, i want to clean up the Home directory
[11:09] <EriC^^> mihon: you have to change the lines in /home/mihon/.zshrc i guess so it looks for .powerlevel...
[11:10] <mihon> There are no other way to hide folders to make the home directory a little bit cleaner?
[11:10] <EriC^^> none that im aware of, sorry
[11:11] <mihon> Okey, thanks tho
[11:11] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:13] <EriC^^> tem: if you want try running 'strace -o /tmp/bla gedit ~/.themes/test' and try to write/save then upload the last parts of /tmp/bla somewhere in case it shows any clues as to why its not saving
[11:23] <tem> EriC^^: Will do! Here it is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KDDckzdYBs/ (the whole output because I don't know which parts are relevant)
[11:24] <EriC^^> tem: right off the bat, maybe it's cause it's a snap
[11:25] <EriC^^> try 'sudo snap remove gedit' then 'sudo apt-get install gedit'
[11:29] <tem> EriC^^: Yep, that worked!
[11:41] <EriC^^> tem: great
[12:12] <tem> EriC^^: Thanks for helping me solve the problem. I guess apt is what the pros use!
[12:14] <EriC^^> tem: no problem, hehe it's more like snap seems to be buggy :D
[12:42] <chao121> Hello everyone. I have a quick question, I feel like I must be missing something. I have tried ubuntu 22.10 on both an x86_64 machine and on an arm64 raspberry pi, and I've noticed that at some point between previous versions and this version, UDP receive performance as tested with iperf has gone from 900+mbps on my gigabit network to less than
[12:42] <chao121> 500mbps. It's not only ubuntu, also with fedora with recent kernel versions. I googled but can't seem to figure out what's going on. Anyone know anything about this?
[12:51] <TR2990WX> test
[12:51] <ogra> EriC^^, the prob her is that someone thought it would be a good idea to package gedit as a strictly confined snap (versus classic (unconfined) as all other editors are), so it falls under the "no spying on hidden dirs" rule that strict snaps use ... someone should file a bug ("snap info gedit | grep contact") to have it re-packed as classic snap
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> we see you TR2990WX
[12:52] <ogra> *here
[12:52] <TR2990WX> thnx
[12:54] <EriC^^> i see ogra
[13:14] <RaimondRaj> i create znc on new Ubuntu but unable to connect to irc server is that any issue with ubuntu or znc
[13:15] <crax23> check the znc logs.
[13:20] <RaimondRaj> i cant see any logs
[13:21] <EriC^^> RaimondRaj: define unable to connect
[13:22] <RaimondRaj> yes
[13:22] <EriC^^> RaimondRaj: if you install irssi on the server and connect does it work?
[13:24] <RaimondRaj> irssi
[13:24] <RaimondRaj> i dont about that
[13:24] <RaimondRaj> i did before and is working well till now
[13:25] <RaimondRaj> but new vps i install its didint work
[13:28] <no_gravity> Does anybody know if you can set a security policy for imagemagick on the command line, so it can create a PDF even though it is disabled in the /etc/ImageMagick-6/policy.xml file?
[13:31] <Maik> no_gravity: seems you already got help in #linux
[13:40] <crax23> RaimondRaj, You can check on the server if your ZNC is connected on not, from your phone, and/or start the ZNC without detaching it from the console to see the outputs in verbose mode. Most likely an issue with it. No reason Ubuntu would prevent you connecting.
[13:40] <crax23> +from
[13:48] <RaimondRaj> i connct from mirc client
[13:48] <RaimondRaj> [21:38:40]-( <*status> IRC connection timed out.  Reconnecting...
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:23] <aberrant> hi all
[14:23] <aberrant> is there a utility that will take a netplan and output the actual ip/bridge rules that result?
[14:28] <SteelRose> aberrant: https://github.com/xinthose/Netplan-GUI would that work for you?
[14:37] <aberrant> SteelRose: checking. Thanks.
[14:38] <aberrant> SteelRose: probably not. I have a netplan already, but I need the actual commands that would recreate it for systems that don't use netplan.
[14:41] <SteelRose> aberrant: no idea then... I don't use netplan :-)
[14:42] <leftyfb> aberrant: you're asking how to create a bridge interace?
[14:44] <aberrant> leftyfb: I have a few bridges and vlans defined. The netplan is working fine right now but 1) it's probably not optimized, and 2) I need to recreate it using iproute2 commands.
[14:44] <leftyfb> aberrant: iproute2 doesn't create bridge interfaces
[14:45] <leftyfb> I'm also not sure you how you can "optimize" a bridge interface
[14:45] <aberrant> leftyfb: the 'bridge' command can be used to create bridges, apparently.
[14:46] <aberrant> and as far as optimizing, apparently you no longer need separate bridges to handle vlans - a single bridge can do vlan filtering.
[14:46] <leftyfb> aberrant: I think you want #networking
[14:47] <aberrant> ok. Thanks.
[17:38] <istanbul> hi
[17:39] <istanbul> i cant connect my vps i have this error: Network error : connection timed out
[17:40] <istanbul> firewall disable
[17:41] <jhutchins> istanbul: Have you contacted your provider?  What was the last thing you did to/with the VPS?
[17:45] <istanbul> jhutchins: playing with mail settings and trying to open port 25
[17:45] <istanbul> but firewall disable now ?
[17:45] <xatrix> Hi, can you advice ? how can i enable "This browser needs Java plugins to run Java applets" in my Google Chrome browser? Do i have to installed icedtea-8(but i didn't find such packages to install on)? I'm using Ubuntu 22.04
[17:46] <istanbul> Status: inactive
[17:48] <istanbul> Croatia in the semi-finals
[17:48] <istanbul> :D
[17:48] <respawn> yeah
[17:48] <istanbul> congratulations
[17:49] <respawn> i knew it would be penalty shoutout
[17:50] <jhutchins> istanbul: Disabling the firewall depends on how you enabled it.  Your provider may have a firewall you can't control, or may allow open ports only if you specifically request them.
[17:50] <istanbul> there was no problem
[17:51] <istanbul> i think i did
[17:51] <istanbul> I activated
[17:55] <istanbul> https://paste.debian.net/1263459/
[17:56] <istanbul> tcp       LISTEN     0           128                       [::]:22                      [::]:*         users:(("sshd",pid=762,fd=4))
[17:56] <istanbul> is it normal ?
[17:57] <xatrix> Hi, can you advice ? how can i enable "This browser needs Java plugins to run Java applets" in my Google Chrome browser? Do i have to installed icedtea-8(but i didn't find such packages to install on)? I'm using Ubuntu 22.04
[18:03] <ogra> xatrix, you have to ask google or check their docs ... we can't really support their proprietary browser here
[18:05] <oerheks> openjdk perhaps?
[18:06] <oerheks> also, NPAPI plugins are EOL, dead jim
[18:22] <istanbul> its fixed
[18:22] <philemon> hey i have a bit of an odd problem, i'd be grateful for any help
[18:23] <xatrix> oerheks: yea, seems like no way
[18:24] <leftyfb> !ask | philemon
[18:24] <oerheks> NPAPI is so 2015...
[18:27] <philemon> i have two users with UID 0 - root and a second one. i can't delete or change the ID of the second one because it believes that it owns PID 1. htop reports that root owns PID 1, and ps -u reports that they both own it. how can i fix this? thanks
[18:27] <leftyfb> philemon: boot with a live usb, mount your root filesystem and fix your users UID to non-zero
[18:27] <arraybolt3> philemon: How exactly did you get things into this state?
[18:28] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: that would be trivial
[18:28] <arraybolt3> Hmm, I guess I'm not that familiar with users and UIDs then.
[18:28] <leftyfb> philemon: future reference: leave UID 0 alone
[18:28] <philemon> i didn't, this installation does not belong to me
[18:29] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: it's as simple as changing a number in /etc/passwd
[18:29] <philemon> leftyfb: really?
[18:29] <leftyfb> yes
[18:29] <philemon> do i just need to go in and edit it
[18:29] <philemon> ok thanks
[18:29] <leftyfb> philemon: yes
[18:30] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Huh. Neat!
[18:30] <leftyfb> philemon: if you can't use sudo, then you probably need to boot to a live usb in order to do it out of band. You'll want to reboot regardless
[18:31] <seer__> ok FOUND SN ACER IN the alley. (could stop my incessant what is going on with my chrome questions for the llast 3 years)
[18:33] <philemon> leftyfb: im not sure why that worked but it did. thank you so much
[18:33] <seer__> OK installtion of 21.xx hangs at "detecting file systems. This on a windows Acer. Should I have tweaked the BIOS wrt secure boot or UEFI or something before I installed?  It is stuck (left all night) on "detecting file systems" in the install.
[18:33] <leftyfb> seer__: Ubuntu 21.xx is EOL
[18:34] <leftyfb> seer__: once you try to install a supported release of ubuntu, you'll want to disable UEFI and secure boot in order to simplify things
[18:36] <arraybolt3> As sad as I am to admit it, I also agree with disabling UEFI to make things easy. At least, if you're going to only boot Linux.
[18:36] <arraybolt3> (UEFI doesn't add too much complexity to single-boot setups, but it's also prone to some surprising firmware-related bugs.)
[18:37] <leftyfb> "surprising firmware-related bugs" = complexity :)
[18:37] <leftyfb> there's really no benfit to UEFI over MBR which it comes to a single linux installation
[18:38] <leftyfb> on the other hand, UEFI can lead to problems
[18:38] <leftyfb> when possible, it's always easier to just disable it
[18:38] <leftyfb> which/when
[18:41] <seer__> lefty.. I just picked the first ubuntu usb I found. I will fire up the bios, disable  both, find 22.04 and install that. (Will ask if I want to dual boot, thanks for the headsup)
[18:42] <seer__> leftyfb, arraybolt3  thanks ^^^^
[18:43] <arraybolt3> seer__: The first one you found? Where are you downloading this from?
[18:43] <arraybolt3> The first Ubuntu Desktop ISO you should find should be the 22.04 one, if ubuntu.com is working right.
[18:50] <seer__> arraybolt3, yes but I meant I was searching thur my flash drives (aka usb's) and I fuound it. But I will change the 21.xx disk to 22.o4 just to have it. Maybe with mate. Thanks for the reminder man.
[18:52] <arraybolt3> seer__: Ah, makes sense. Glad to help!
[18:53] <seer__> Windows is so "stable" the attempted repair changed the boot order back to what it likes. --- I didnt see anything in the BIOS to change the UEFI - Any hints on that? Meanwhile I will install. --. GOES BACK TO windows THOUGH i TOLD IT TO ONLY boot from removable device.
[18:54] <seer__> I dont know what I did before to interrupt the windows "repair"
[18:54] <leftyfb> seer__: you'll need to seek support with Windows in #windows. For your BIOS setting, try #hardware or looking up the manual for your device/motherboard
[18:56] <seer__> I know to cbios settings. and #windows wont give me sin getting rid of windows. I'll try web search.
[18:59] <seer__> Ah ha, leftyfb  turned off "restore previous state" on AC power loss - in the bios.
[19:10] <leftyfb> morgan-u: that will only tell the device to power on or stay off depending on if it was powered on or off before it lost power. Nothing to do with secure boot or UEFI
[19:18] <WaV> Anytime I have a firmware update installed for my system using Ubuntu, I have to re-assign the bootloader to Grub via Windows with bcdedit as the Grub bootloader doesn't show up after insatlling the new firmware. Aside from avoiding firmware updates, is there something I can do to avoid having to do this everytime there is a firmware update?
[19:18] <WaV> Ubuntu 22.04 / Windows 10 FYI.
[19:22] <morgan-u2> Rebooted into USB of 22.04, and install told me two partitions has been written already and would be ignored. what do I do now? Use gparted to format the drive?
[19:23] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: during the ubuntu installation, pick guided install and tell it to use the entire drive (wipe windows)
[19:24] <leftyfb> if wiping Windows is what you prefer
[19:24] <morgan-u2> I was doing that. after telling you I rebooted and retried the install and so far, it went past that point. Sorry to bother you of higher knowledge about these things.
[19:26] <morgan-u2> oh no now it as a new complaint - The attempt to mount a file sstem with type vfat in SCSI1 partion#1 (sda) at /boot/efi failed.  You may resume partioning from the partioning menu.  (GO BACK) (CONTINUE)
[19:27] <morgan-u2> EDIT scsi1 (0,0,0), partion #1 (sda)
[19:27] <morgan-u2> It isnt trying to install on the flash drive is it?
[19:28] <leftyfb> hit continue
[19:29] <morgan-u2> This flash trive has been used successfullyin thepast.
[19:31] <rodybig> My VM is running at 100% memory utilization for some reason. When I list processes by memory util, it shows gnome-shell at 5%. Is it fine to kill it? I'm not using GUI
[19:31] <rodybig> Also, how do I clear up more memory? Even 95% is too much.
[19:32] <rodybig> Or just restart the ubuntu vm?
[19:32] <leftyfb> rodybig: if you're not using the GUI, then remove it and reboot
[19:33] <leftyfb> rodybig: you should investigate further what is using memory. Look at htop
[19:39] <rodybig> leftyfb For some reason, I have /usr/bin/gnome-shell appearing 10-15 times on htop
[19:39] <rodybig> Taking up 4.9% memory each
[19:40] <leftyfb> rodybig: remove the GUI packages completely, reboot and then see what's running
[19:41] <rodybig> @leftylb Hmm, I could do that. But I do want the GUI at some point. I don't want to mess up that install.
[19:41] <rodybig> I do have gnome on other servers which work just fine
[19:41] <rodybig> And other VMs on the same server work fine
[19:41] <rodybig> It's just this one VM which is at 100%
[19:45] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, so far is installing so good. comment on offtopic
[19:47] <rodybig>                    total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[19:47] <rodybig> Mem:          3.8Gi       1.6Gi       650Mi        28Mi       1.6Gi       2.0Gi
[19:47] <rodybig> leftyfb
[19:47] <rodybig> It does say 2G available
[19:48] <leftyfb> rodybig: then you are fine
[19:48] <leftyfb> there's nothing wrong with your system
[19:48] <rodybig> But gotop shows 95% memory usage
[19:48] <leftyfb> then don't use gotop
[19:48] <rodybig> Hmmm
[19:48] <leftyfb> or learn how to read it
[19:49] <leftyfb> rodybig: especially since gotop isn't a support application in ubuntu
[20:17] <morgan-u2> How long before I decide that the installation is again stuck on "Creating est4 file systm for / in partition #2 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)...  --> again!!
[20:21] <morgan-u2> OK I opened gparted and it is trying or has made sda2 the entire disk as sxt4 /target -BUT- there is still an /dev/sda1 that is EFI System Partition  ntfs   Label=Recovery  512MiB used 244.18 MiB  flags=boot, esp
[20:21] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: if you have an old laptop HDD in there, it might take a while
[20:22] <morgan-u2> and no way to quit the install. I left it all night and it stuck at the same place. The HDD is 1 terabyte. Would it be useful for me to pastebin the lshw?
[20:23] <morgan-u2> or should I look at it myself and tellyou what you might want to ask me?
[20:24] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: again, if this is a really old and slow machine and a 1TB drive, it might take a while
[20:24] <leftyfb> longer than you expect
[20:26] <morgan-u2> I have to call the internet provider. disconnectsgparted
[20:30] <jwmTO> I'm trying to convert a large CHM file to a PDF.  chm2pdf isn't installed on my 22.04 system and I can't seem too install it.  Any ideas?
[20:30] <morgan-u2> ok how do I check the temperature of the computer (wherever which part do they check, the chip or the hard drive??)
[20:31] <morgan-u2> It is a 3.5 2022 model hard drive. But there may be a lot of dust in the computer. It smelled bad at birst.'
[20:31] <oerheks> !info chm2pdf  jammy
[20:31] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: lm-sensors package. You call "sensors" as the binary
[20:31] <oerheks> oh, latest version is bionic
[20:32] <jwmTO> oerheks: thanks, I'll try
[20:32] <mort> what do you do when packages "have been kept back"? apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't make a difference
[20:32] <jwmTO> ubottu that is my problem
[20:32] <leftyfb> mort: wait until they aren't kept back any longer
[20:32] <arraybolt3> !phasedupdates | mort
[20:32] <oerheks> https://code.google.com/archive/p/chm2pdf/downloads
[20:32] <mort> huh
[20:32] <oerheks> but see the bugreports first...
[20:33] <arraybolt3> mort: It's a safety feature, some updates are rolled out slowly, those who aren't getting them yet see them as being held back.
[20:34] <mort> a bit annoying that the system just claims I have 7 packages not upgraded and I can't upgrade them but I suppose I'll just wait
[20:34] <jwmTO> oerheks thanks, I'll look for those
[20:35] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/JFB.png I don't think this screen is supposed to look like this
[20:35] <jwmTO> oerheks: looks very buddy.
[20:36] <oerheks> jwmTO, also Calibre can convert
[20:36] <jwmTO> oerheks: looks very buggy.
[20:36] <oerheks> !info calibre
[20:36] <oerheks> jwmTO, yes, that is why i warned about bugs
[20:36] <jwmTO> oerheks: Calibre didn't handle this conversion at all
[20:37] <morgan-u2> 22.04 live-usb does not have hddtemp or sensors
[20:37] <oerheks> oh oke
[20:37] <oerheks> morgan-u2, then install it, you might need to enable universe repo first
[20:37] <oerheks> !info lmsensors
[20:37] <morgan-u2> ok the repo.
[20:37] <oerheks> !info lm-sensors
[20:38] <oerheks> yes universe
[20:38] <morgan-u2> how to install universe repo
[20:38] <oerheks> in the software gui
[20:38] <octav1a> how to install universe, life, and everything
[20:39] <oerheks> or add-apt-repository universe && apt update
[20:39] <morgan-u2> sorry that was for the other computer. I mixed up which keyboard I was using.
[20:39] <jwmTO> Thanks for the help.  I'll try again another time.
[20:44] <morgan-u2> cant do this today I guess. life
[20:49] <jhutchins> It's an interesting alternative to sudo and su, but generally going with the flow of convention works out better.
[20:50] <jhutchins> ER, scrollbuffered back to the non-root 0 user conversation.
[21:02] <jhutchins> 3
[21:34] <xatrix> hi guys, can you help me ? i can't get the clue, why my system gets overloaded time to time. I have 8G of RAM + 2G swap. I have uptime of 2 days, and have a tons of the google chrme processes, and skypefor linux. Why it doesn't sanitize itself ? https://imgur.com/kENWmj8.png and https://imgur.com/GMIcCy1.png
[21:34] <xatrix> plase advice
[21:36] <sarnold> xatrix: do you actually run chrome and skype?
[21:37] <leftyfb> xatrix: looks like a combination of google, skype, telegram, timedoctor and whatever document-portal is
[21:37] <xatrix> sarnold: sure, i use it
[21:37] <sarnold> xatrix: aha, good :) this seems normal enough to me
[21:37] <xatrix> leftyfb: yea, but why does chrome and skype allocates !!31GB!! of mem ?
[21:38] <xatrix> skype is a messager. it's not a database or whatever it is :)
[21:38] <leftyfb> they don't, especially since that's physically impossible when you only have 8
[21:38] <leftyfb> xatrix: I cannot speak to how poorly written skype is. It's a 3rd party application
[21:38] <xatrix> Yes, But i have 8+2 Gb of RAM, How the hell, it can fill it up to 90% ?
[21:39] <xatrix> Maybe i have something misconfigured in my system ?
[21:39] <xatrix> maybe i have to do some sysctl tunings ?
[21:39] <leftyfb> xatrix: close chrome and skype and see how your memory looks
[21:39] <xatrix> ok.
[21:40] <sarnold> I don't think you'll improve anything by fiddling around with settings. the best step to take is upgrading to 16gb or more
[21:40] <leftyfb> also not opening too many tabs in chrome and not enable or even install too many addons/extensions
[21:41] <xatrix> i've closed both. and now i have only WhatsChrome (chrome app) for the Whatsapp service. And the situation didn't change max...
[21:41] <xatrix> https://imgur.com/WXnVZah.png
[21:41] <leftyfb> your phsical memory looks a LOT better
[21:41] <xatrix> https://imgur.com/5vMEMQf.png
[21:41] <leftyfb> swap will let go as needed
[21:42] <xatrix> And this is how looks like, when i closed WhatsChrome app. But ok, I'm using ubuntu 22.04 with XFCE window manager
[21:42] <xatrix> Does it really take 1G+ for this ?
[21:42] <leftyfb> so you know the problem is with either chrome and/or skype. Skype we can't fix. If it's eating lots of memory, your only options are to not open it or add more physical memory to your machine
[21:43] <leftyfb> xatrix: chrome can eat ALL of your memory if you are not careful with it
[21:43] <xatrix> And ok, assuming it is. but can the webbrowser and messenger take a 8GB of memory ?????
[21:44] <leftyfb> chrome you can manage. I gave you some actions above. You can also try slimmer browsers
[21:44] <leftyfb> xatrix: if telegram and skype are taking lots of memory, you'll have to seek support from their vendors
[21:45] <xatrix> Ok, i got it... thanks for advices..I thought i have misconfigured the system
[21:55] <Supavisah> is there a way to enter in unicode braille characters quickly in Ubuntu?
[21:59] <Supavisah> I see you can use ctrl+shift+u to enter unicode but this requires knowing the hexadecimal value e.g. 0x281A for dots-245 braille
[22:21] <Supavisah> I can't seem to get the braille xkeyboard layout working either, not sure why.
[22:24] <sarnold> :(
[22:24] <sarnold> I poked around a bit but only found stuff for windows, blech
[22:25] <jofzer> hi
[22:30] <oerheks>