[03:13] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: subliminal messages?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, perhaps so.
[09:51] <cbx33> ogra_: changes are coming along nicely
[09:51] <cbx33> hope to have them done today
[09:53] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[09:53] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[11:09] <cbx33> ogra_: hey dude
[11:10] <cbx33> can i include the config files required for the backend in the python-tcm package? with the module?
[12:46] <SiCk> lo all
[12:58] <SiCk> this place is dead today
[01:00] <RichEd> "Mummy I see only SiCk people"
[01:00] <RichEd> :)
[01:01] <SiCk> :D
[01:01] <cbx33> hey SiCk
[01:03] <SiCk> hey cb, how's you?
[01:04] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[01:04] <cbx33> and you?
[01:08] <SiCk> yup, goin well, lots of stuff to keep me busy today in work
[01:08] <SiCk> restoring a mysql database, trying to get edgy working with 40 thin clients etc.
[01:08] <SiCk> funtimes!
[01:09] <cbx33> how is it going with edgy and edubuntu
[01:09] <cbx33> ?
[01:17] <SiCk> meh.. so so, just upgraded to edgy from dapper
[01:17] <SiCk> just finished installing, so just to drop the dhcpd over and install the custom kernel for the thin-clients and try again...
[01:18] <cbx33> nice
[01:18] <cbx33> SiCk: do you use printing on the workstations
[01:24] <ogra_> cbx33, for an usb printer set PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 for the specific workstation (using the MAC adress) in lts.conf ...
[01:25] <ogra_> on the client note down the ip from the ldm screen
[01:25] <cbx33> thanks ogra_
[01:25] <ogra_> log in and open gnome-print manager
[01:25] <ogra_> select network printer
[01:25] <cbx33> when you add the printer in gnome-print manager can use a MAC address to identify it?
[01:25] <ogra_> select "HP jet direct" in the pulldown menu
[01:26] <cbx33> sure
[01:26] <ogra_> put the ip into the input fieold, leave the portnumber as is
[01:26] <ogra_> thats it
[01:26] <cbx33> but...
[01:26] <cbx33> how do i find the ip?
[01:26] <cbx33> and are the leases permanent?
[01:26] <ogra_> read what i wrote ?
[01:27] <cbx33> yes
[01:27] <ogra_> pretty permanent ... i havent seen one change since i work on ltsp ... but then i only test with 5 clients max
[01:27] <cbx33> ok
[01:28] <cbx33> i have to describe to them in the book the easiest way to get the ip address
[01:28] <cbx33> what do you suggest?
[01:28] <ogra_> read what i wrote ?
[01:28] <cbx33> oh and did you see my messages abotu that?
[01:28] <cbx33> oh...yeh
 on the client note down the ip from the ldm screen
 log in and open gnome-print manager
 thanks ogra_
[01:28] <cbx33> sorry
[01:28] <cbx33> I'm dumb
[01:28] <cbx33> i missed that one
[01:28] <ogra_> :)
[01:28] <cbx33> Debra said it's fine to send you the book
[01:28] <ogra_> great !
[01:28] <cbx33> so I'll hopefully get that to you soon
[01:29] <cbx33> it really needs a looking over before next week
[01:29] <cbx33> think yo ucan do that
[01:29] <ogra_> i hope
[01:29] <ogra_> herd3 is ahead
[01:29] <cbx33> yeh i know
[01:29] <ogra_> and no trace of rodarvus who wanted to do most of it
[01:29] <cbx33> it's only 10,000 words ogra_ ...
[01:29] <cbx33> shouldn't take you too long
[01:29] <cbx33> heheheh
[01:29] <cbx33> mwuhahaha
[01:31] <ogra_> ??
[01:31] <cbx33> sorry i was manically laughing at giving you 10,000 words of my drivel to read
[01:31] <SiCk> cbx33, sorry i was away a minute, and no im not printing on the systems
[01:31] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <SiCk> hey ogra :)
[01:32] <ogra> yo
[01:32] <SiCk> took your advice ogra :)
[01:32] <ogra> good
[01:33] <cbx33> ogra's advice is always good
[01:33] <SiCk> thats because hes too smart for his own good ;)
[01:33] <SiCk> p.s. i think i broke my installation :(
[01:33] <SiCk> haha
[01:34] <SiCk> tftp file not found... are there file differences between dapper dhcpd.conf and edgy?
[01:34] <ogra> no
[01:34] <SiCk> hmm, i maybe installed that custom kernel wrong...
[01:34] <ogra> did you put it into /etc/ltsp ?
[01:35] <SiCk> i followed all the directions you'd given
[01:35] <SiCk> it worked on dapper.. just not this time
[01:35] <cbx33> cool
[01:35] <cbx33> with herd 3 I can do an install and then check the book stuff
[01:35] <SiCk> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -i /tmp/linux-image-2.6.15-27-386_2.6.15-27.50_i386.deb
[01:35] <SiCk> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[01:36] <SiCk> after downloading it of course
[01:36] <SiCk> it seemed to do all that without a hitch though
[01:36] <ogra> hmm, why did you do that ?
[01:37] <SiCk> because remember the thin-clients i had wont boot off a normal kernel, only the one that was made for that mad via eden processor
[01:37] <SiCk> someone in #ubuntu-kernel
[01:38] <ogra> ah, right i forgot
[01:39] <ogra> did you install ltwsp-server-standalone ? or only ltsp-server ?
[01:39] <SiCk> server just
[01:39] <ogra> aha
[01:39] <ogra> install -standalone
[01:40] <ogra> it  adds the missing bits and pieces
[01:40] <SiCk> ahh, ill do that now
[01:40] <ogra> things like a tftp server for example :)
[01:40] <cbx33> hahah
[01:41] <SiCk> hmm, aparently it's installed and the newest version...
[01:41] <ogra> hmm
[01:42] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[01:42] <ogra> try that
[01:42] <ogra> should return a line not starting with "#"
[01:42] <SiCk> 2 lines
[01:43] <SiCk> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[01:43] <SiCk> oh, 1 line, just stretched
[01:43] <ogra> ok
[01:43] <ogra> ps ax|grep inetd
[01:43] <ogra> should return /usr/sbin/inetd
[01:43] <SiCk> 4007 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[01:43] <ogra> at least
[01:43] <ogra> ok
[01:44] <ogra>  ps ax|grep dhcpd ?
[01:44] <SiCk> 10605 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep dhcpd
[01:44] <ogra> nothing else ?
[01:44] <SiCk> nope
[01:44] <ogra> aha
[01:45] <ogra> your dhcp server isnt running then
[01:45] <SiCk> though dhcpd3-server is stopped at the moment
[01:45] <SiCk> heh
[01:45] <SiCk> i run it before i boot the clients, but its on a shared connection with another dhcp server at the moment, so i've got it stopped
[01:45] <ogra> start it and check again with the ps command as above
[01:45] <SiCk> okay
[01:45] <ogra> nope, that wont work
[01:46] <cbx33> SiCk: what's the other dhcp server?
[01:46] <ogra> you cant run two dhcp servers in one network if you want to netboot
[01:46] <ogra> (you can but thats a very very tricky and complicated setup)
[01:46] <SiCk> i know, we're working that out later.. i might be throwing them all on a vlan or whatever
[01:46] <SiCk> at the moment they're connected tdo eachother
[01:47] <SiCk> and now i have the 2 lines ogra with dhcpd3 running
[01:47] <ogra> than it wont boot
[01:47] <ogra> *then
[01:47] <SiCk> cbx33: its a windows dhcp server, our DC
[01:47] <SiCk> ogra: we'll be discovering all that once we get the thin-clients booting
[01:47] <cbx33> you can get the windows dhcp to server the addresses
[01:47] <ogra> you will have to make them boot off the windows server
[01:48] <cbx33> SiCk: that's easy
[01:48] <cbx33> there's a howto I wrote on the wiki
[01:48] <ogra> and shut down the dhcp server on the linux machine
[01:48] <SiCk> cbx33: yeah i saw the wiki the other day on it... you posted a link to someone else
[01:49] <SiCk> but at the moment we just want the clients going as well as they can.. and they aint *sniff*
[01:49] <SiCk> everything on the ltsp server seems fine
[01:49] <cbx33> SiCk: but they will do....if you use the dhcp server
[01:50] <SiCk> i am, at the moment the client is connected to the ltsp server with a crossover
[01:50] <SiCk> the client is getting the IP's and everything
[01:50] <cbx33> ahh i see
[01:51] <SiCk> just getting PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not Found
[01:51] <SiCk> sorry, i know im confusing. haha
[01:56] <cbx33> try logging in with tftp maunally and gertting the file then
[02:02] <SiCk> ill try that now
[02:03] <capt_kirk> Hi all
[02:07] <capt_kirk> Anyone know if thin client printing (attached to the thin client's lp0) works in Edgy?  I'm about to test it out, but didn't want to take down our computer lab if there's some hidden bomb in the Edgy implementation.  I've read a couple of threads that say ogra is looking at how to best implement it, but I'm wondering if modifying lts.conf per the LTSP 4.1 documenation will work.  Thanks.
[02:08] <capt_kirk> ogra: are you at your computer?
[02:09] <SiCk> cbx33, i've tftp'd to the computer, what file would i be getting?
[02:09] <SiCk> i've had a complete mindblank
[02:29] <willvdl> urk, my quit/restart buttons are gone
[02:55] <cbx33> SiCk: well....
[02:55] <cbx33> I can't remember the specifics but
[02:56] <cbx33> you are tftping into the root of the tfpt server
[02:56] <cbx33> right?
[02:56] <cbx33> check the tftp inet.d file to see what the root is
[02:56] <cbx33> or if ogra is around he'll shout it out I'm sure
[02:56] <cbx33> then basically you want to
[02:56] <cbx33> get dir/filename
[02:56] <cbx33> that make sense?
[03:18] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[03:18] <willvdl> hey
[03:18] <willvdl> ever played with dvd ripping?
[03:18] <cbx33> yes
[03:19] <willvdl> need to cut a section from a dvd into an ogg or mpg
[03:19] <cbx33> ok
[03:19] <willvdl> what tools you use?
[03:19] <cbx33> ooh ooh search for....
[03:19] <willvdl> dvd::rip
[03:19] <cbx33> yes
[03:19] <cbx33> that too is awesome
[03:19] <willvdl> eek, but it has a lot of "options"...
[03:19] <cbx33> s/too/tool
[03:19] <willvdl> what do you use?
[03:19] <cbx33> it does but they really don't take a lot of getting used to
[03:19] <cbx33> I use dvd::rip
[03:20] <willvdl> ah. what video format/codec etc. would be best quality?
[03:20] <cbx33> hmm....
[03:20] <cbx33> i used avi
[03:20] <willvdl> divx5? xvid?
[03:20] <cbx33> xvid
[03:20] <cbx33> i think
[03:20] <willvdl> I'll google it  but I think you're right
[03:21] <willvdl> and for editing the avi?
[03:21] <cbx33> um....well...
[03:21] <cbx33> I then take it into either kino
[03:21] <cbx33> or avidemux
[03:21] <cbx33> depending on what I'm wanting to do
[03:21] <willvdl> just want to cut off head and tails
[03:21] <cbx33> either then
[03:22] <willvdl> cool. knew you would know :]
[03:22] <willvdl> you're timing is impeccable!
[03:22] <cbx33> hehe
[03:22] <cbx33> I try willvdl, I try :p
[03:22] <willvdl> how's tcm?
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh getting better all the time
[03:23] <cbx33> cleaning up the package tonight for ogra to take a look at some of the management specifics in the week
[03:23] <willvdl> cool
[03:23] <cbx33> also shipping him over the book chapter for a run through
[03:23] <willvdl> nice. look forward to that
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh, we have a bit of problem with tcm
[03:23] <cbx33> but I'm hoping it'll get solved soon
[03:23] <cbx33> it's a license issue
[03:24] <cbx33> crippled_des.py from redhat's virtual manager, isn't GPL compatible
[03:24] <willvdl> "beautify" the code
[03:24] <cbx33> but both red hat and pyvnc2swf give it away as GPL
[03:24] <willvdl> that's what I'd do :)
[03:24] <cbx33> heheh
[03:25] <willvdl> I'm curious, what do you use vnc for in TCM?>
[03:25] <cbx33> the backend code from pyvnc2swf :p
[03:25] <cbx33> i didn't have time/nor the knowledge at this stage to write one myself
[03:25] <willvdl> to "spy" on the thin-clients?
[03:26] <cbx33> however, next release, I may write my own slimmed down vnc server
[03:26] <cbx33> we use x11vnc at the mo
[03:26] <cbx33> or will do
[03:26] <willvdl> for what purpose though?
[03:26] <cbx33> spying
[03:26] <cbx33> and also working the other way, so that staff can show their screen to many clients
[03:26] <willvdl> ah. Is it not possible to jsut grab the framebuffer?
[03:27] <cbx33> well not directly from python i fear
[03:27] <cbx33> i would have to write a library to do it
[03:27] <cbx33> basically, to view the clients in the tile view, we don't need a full on vnc server implemntation
[03:27] <cbx33> so I aim to make another server
[03:28] <willvdl> just thinking
[03:28] <cbx33> as I don't think vnc can do what we need
[03:28] <willvdl> cause it all runs on the server
[03:28] <cbx33> ah not x11vnc
[03:28] <cbx33> that runs on the client
[03:28] <cbx33> i know what you're thinking
[03:28] <cbx33> Jordan said the same
[03:28] <SiCk> ogra... you around?!
[03:28] <cbx33> SiCk: did that work?
[03:29] <SiCk> did what work? sorry i had to run for an hour
[03:30] <cbx33> hehe the tfpt
[03:30] <SiCk> will it work the same if i log in tftp on the same machine and connect to itself?
[03:31] <willvdl> cbx33, dvd::rip failed to init encoder. must be missing a library here
[03:32] <cbx33> :(
[03:33] <cbx33> SiCk: yes
[03:33] <cbx33> just connect to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:35] <SiCk> ill try it when it boots here
[03:37] <cbx33> ok
[03:40] <willvdl> duh, no gstreamer codec isntalled
[03:43] <cbx33> heheh
[03:48] <SiCk> cbx33, any idea why my edubuntu install might've just started going extremely slow
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:48] <SiCk> after a reboot of it its taking like 2 - 3 minutes to open a terminal window
[03:49] <SiCk> still waiting for it to browse files
[03:49] <SiCk> once it opens them its fine... its odd
[03:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:50] <cbx33> I have had something like that
[03:51] <cbx33> what does the top command show?
[03:52] <SiCk> Xorg and Init are at the top
[03:53] <SiCk> using quite a lot
[03:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:55] <cbx33> nothing ese?
[03:56] <Shaolin1> hi guys
[03:57] <SiCk> not really
[03:57] <SiCk> nothing using alot
[03:57] <Shaolin1> how can i install ssh/sftp
[04:00] <SiCk> cbx33, where would my tftpd inet.d file be kept?
[04:08] <SiCk> oooograaaah :)
[04:09] <SiCk> i broked it :(
[04:09] <SiCk> haha
[04:11] <willvdl> cbx33, dude it works niiice. You're right about the options though...not so daunting
[04:13] <cbx33> willvdl: nah...you just gotta look at them carefully ;)
[04:13] <cbx33> just reading the full BECTA report on vista and office 2007
[04:14] <cbx33> this is our year
[04:14] <cbx33> Ubuntu/OSS
[04:14] <cbx33> this could be the M$ killer this year
[04:14] <willvdl> link?
[04:14] <willvdl> I read the interim report
[04:14] <cbx33> yeh taht's what I read
[04:14] <cbx33> the full interim report
[04:15] <cbx33> 20 pages
[04:15] <cbx33>                                            Bectaconsiders that educational institutions shouldonly consider deploying Office 2007 when theyare assured of its interoperability withalternative products including free-to-useproducts such as OpenOffice.org.
[04:25] <cbx33> that;s good news
[04:36] <cbx33> byeee all
[04:37] <ShankarGanesh> hello there
[04:41] <ShankarGanesh> any cool edubuntu artworks?
[05:10] <RichEd> hi rodarvus
[05:11] <rodarvus> hey RichEd
[05:25] <cbx33> hey SiCk
[05:26] <cbx33> howz it going
[05:28] <cbx33> ogra, just looking at the python ltsp stuff now
[05:28] <SiCk> it isnt.. heh
[05:28] <SiCk> :)
[05:28] <SiCk> yourself?
[05:28] <cbx33> you got two secs for a question
[05:28] <cbx33> SiCk, just pacakging up tcm again
[05:29] <SiCk> ah, yeah i noticed ogra mentioning you not able to package something in yesterday?
[05:29] <SiCk> copyrights and whatnot
[05:29] <cbx33> oh yeh I'm still waiting on the that one
[05:29] <cbx33> I'm looking at the python-central stuff at the moment
[05:29] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[05:30] <cbx33> ok
[05:30] <cbx33> well,
[05:30] <cbx33> the python-tcm pacakge
[05:30] <cbx33> needs to include a conf file for dbus and the scp-startup file etc
[05:30] <cbx33> is that ok to be included in there
[05:30] <cbx33> as the python-tcm pacakge should just be the module right?
[05:30] <ogra> do you really need it in there ?
[05:30] <cbx33> but the actual backend system requires more
[05:30] <cbx33> yes
[05:31] <cbx33> dbus config is backend
[05:31] <ogra> the conf file is for grouping which you only use in the gui
[05:31] <cbx33> it's not handled by front end
[05:31] <cbx33> no
[05:31] <cbx33> not the dbus conf file
[05:31] <cbx33> and the scp-remote
[05:31] <cbx33> and scp-client
[05:31] <cbx33> they are all backend
[05:31] <ogra> i'm talking about the conffile
[05:31] <cbx33> non-gui generic
[05:31] <capt_kirk> Anyone know if thin client printing (attached to the thin client's lp0) works in Edgy? I'm about to test it out, but didn't want to take down our computer lab if there's some hidden bomb in the Edgy implementation. I've read a couple of threads that say ogra is looking at how to best implement it, but I'm wondering if modifying lts.conf per the LTSP 4.1 documenation will work. Thanks.
[05:31] <cbx33> well, the conf stuff is actually non-gui generic
[05:31] <ogra> scp-remote and scp-client are apps, they shouldnt be in the module package
[05:31] <cbx33> so where hsould they go?
[05:32] <cbx33> we need three pacakges then
[05:32] <ogra> seems like
[05:32] <cbx33> module, backend, frontend
[05:32] <cbx33> you ok with that?
[05:32] <ogra> yep
[05:32] <cbx33> ok I'll work up that now
[05:32] <cbx33> i think i sorted most out
[05:32] <cbx33> some stuff will need to wait for you to fiddle and test before it gets confirmed
[05:33] <cbx33> ie the controls are in just not the confirmed command
[05:33] <ogra> thats fine
[05:33] <cbx33> ok I hope to get this and hopfully the book to you tonight
[05:33] <cbx33> then I can relax for a day
[05:33] <cbx33> phew
[05:33] <ogra> capt_kirk, edgy uses the same printing mechanism as ltsp 4.1 did
[05:34] <cbx33> right off to do some packaging, some packaging, some packaging....goes old motu song
[05:34] <ogra> due to the fiddly licensing situation with lp_server we needed to kick it out though ... and a python based replacement is in feisty
[05:35] <cbx33> is it still called lp_server?
[05:35] <ogra> nope, the new implementation is called jetpipe
[05:35] <capt_kirk> ogra, thanks!  I'll give it a shot.  Great work on Edgy, by the way.  Much better thin-client experience that Dapper.  I have two labs up and running at the two schools I'm supporting.  Local devices are a huge help.  Thank you from 200 users.
[05:35] <cbx33> ogra, ok...there's one change for the book already then ;)
[05:36] <cbx33> capt_kirk, do you use student control panel?
[05:36] <ogra> capt_kirk, thanks, such a feedback is invaluable :)
[05:36] <capt_kirk> cbx33, I've played with it some, but only in passing.
[05:36] <cbx33> ok
[05:36] <cbx33> hoping it'll rock for feisty
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, am I right in thinking all three binary packages can be built from this one source?
[05:37] <cbx33> or should the module be split?
[05:37] <capt_kirk> i've also played a little with LTSP Manager.  Really looking forward to it working like the use cases in the spec.
[05:37] <capt_kirk> That would be very useful.
[05:37] <cbx33> indeed
[05:37] <ogra> cbx33, its fine to build it from the same source for now
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, btw if you need a hand with that....
[05:37] <ogra> might make maintanance easier
[05:37] <cbx33> testing ui hacking just shout
[05:38] <cbx33> ogra, ok cool
[05:38] <capt_kirk> I wish I had time to help with the development, but at this point I can only be a casual tester
[05:38] <cbx33> capt_kirk, that's still so valuable
[05:38] <cbx33> will you be able to test feisty?
[05:38] <capt_kirk> cbx33, thanks.
[05:38] <cbx33> in it's beta stages?
[05:38] <ogra> cbx33, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe btw
[05:39] <cbx33> that would be awesome....as you know how to install/configure for site deployment
[05:39] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[05:39] <capt_kirk> i've lost track of the timing for feisty.  when should it be in beta?
[05:39] <cbx33> um....fairly soon
[05:39] <cbx33> featuer freeze is 8th feb
[05:39] <ogra> we'll release the third milestone CD this week
[05:39] <cbx33> that's gona be awesome
[05:39] <ogra> from mid feb on it should be intresting to test it ... :)
[05:39] <cbx33> ogra, I'll install that hopefully once released to check TCM works on it
[05:40] <capt_kirk> I should be able to.  We leave Tanzania and go back to the States in July, and I lose my labs then.  (I'll set one up at home for the kids when we get back home.)
[05:40] <cbx33> right ogra I'm gonna let you get on with things and stop interrupting you and get on with this packaging
[05:40] <cbx33> you around if I get stuck?
[05:40] <capt_kirk> cool.  Yes, I can probably test.
[05:40] <cbx33> capt_kirk, that'd be awesome
[05:40] <ogra> cbx33, indeed
[05:40] <cbx33> thanks dude
[05:40] <ogra> yeah, that'd be great
[05:40] <ogra> we need every helping hand with testing
[05:40] <capt_kirk> One comment from dapper-edgy upgrade experience, it really sucked.
[05:41] <ogra> in which area ?
[05:41] <ogra> and how did you upgrade ?
[05:41] <capt_kirk> it really messed up the one lab that was running dapper.  I know the advice was to do a clean install, but I did a dist-upgrade to try to avoid rebuilding everything.
[05:42] <capt_kirk> The other lab was a clean Edgy install and it went great
[05:42] <ogra> the only advice for a clean install goes for ltsp ...
[05:42] <ogra> you should be able to upgrade fine
[05:42] <capt_kirk> Over Christmas break, I did a clean install on the messed-up lab, and it's all good now.
[05:42] <ogra> if not, thats a bug that needs fixing
[05:43] <capt_kirk> It seemed to be a LTSP problem
[05:43] <cbx33> ogra, am I author for tcm or is it you?
[05:43] <ogra> for debian/copyright ?
[05:43] <capt_kirk> should I have un-installed LTSP and reinstalled it after doing the dist-upgrade?
[05:43] <ogra> nope
[05:43] <capt_kirk> just a clean install from the start?
[05:43] <ogra> but you should have wiped /opt/ltsp/i386 and done a sudo ltsp-build-client
[05:44] <capt_kirk> ahh
[05:44] <ogra> but that doesnt affect the server at all ...
[05:44] <cbx33> ogra, for debian copyright and for setup.py
[05:44] <ogra> and shouldnt break on upgrades
[05:44] <capt_kirk> it also wiped out the x server on the main box, but I probably could have hacked it back to working.  I wasn't in the mood to deal with xorg, so I just did a clean install.
[05:45] <ogra> cbx33, us both as authors, my part is Copyright Canonical Ltd. 2005
[05:45] <cbx33> ok
[05:45] <ogra> yours is all the rest :) (2006/7)
[05:45] <capt_kirk> will Feisty also need a ltsp rebuild?
[05:45] <ogra> i try to avoid that
[05:46] <capt_kirk> cool
[05:46] <ogra> i need the pulseaudio trasition properly going though ...
[05:48] <capt_kirk> do you think the beta will be mature enough to test in a live lab?  (I know all of the warnings, but there's the warnings and there's reality.)  I don't have any extra boxes to do a separate test on.  Dev labs aren't a real high priority in Tanzania.  I'd be happy to test in one of the school labs if it's fairly mature.  I don't mind a few bugs, just not a system that will require hourly reboot.
[05:48] <cbx33> ogra, should the vnc.py and rfb.py stuff go.....where?
[05:48] <ogra> gui ?
[05:48] <cbx33> they are only pertinent to the gui package
[05:49] <cbx33> but they are placed in the /usr/lib/python2.4/site-pacakges/studentcontrolpanel/ dir
[05:49] <cbx33> is taht still ok?
[05:50] <willvdl> cbx33, do you think it matters if the OGM/AVI is interlaced or not?
[05:50] <cbx33> hmmm are you having problems with kino reading it?
[05:51] <cbx33> if so, search my blog, it has an mencoder command line that will sort convert it to the right format
[05:51] <willvdl> kino takes DV files
[05:51] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[05:51] <willvdl> avidemux can edit it
[05:51] <cbx33> :p
[05:51] <willvdl> mencoder will convert it to what format though
[05:52] <cbx33> avi
[05:52] <cbx33> kino can import them trust me
[05:52] <cbx33> so ogra is that still ok ? ^^^
[05:52] <willvdl> well, I find that avi or ogg won't make a difference. Just the container, codec is still xvid and only the audio is affected
[05:53] <ogra> just make sure to depend in python-tcm
[05:53] <ogra> *on
[05:53] <cbx33> ok
[05:53] <cbx33> that's what I've done
[05:53] <cbx33> and i can just dump them there, instead of setup.py python-central installing right?
[05:53] <ogra> hmm
[05:54] <ogra> i would use python-central ...
[05:54] <cbx33> GAAAAHHHH!!!
[05:54] <ogra> with dh_pycentral
[05:54] <cbx33> ok
[05:54] <cbx33> :(
[05:54] <ogra> just make the gui depend on it ...
[05:54] <cbx33> ok
[05:54] <cbx33> the gui already does
[05:54] <ogra> dh_pycentral will add its stuff to the ostinst ...
[05:54] <ogra> *post
[05:55] <cbx33> so are you saying lump them into the python-tcm package now?
[05:55] <ogra> no
[05:55] <cbx33> or have a seperate entry in the setup.py for the other one
[05:55] <ogra> i say leave them in the gui and use pycentral there
[05:55] <cbx33> ok
[05:55] <cbx33> I've never ever done that
[05:55] <cbx33> I'll try it and if I get stuck I'll shout for help
[05:56] <ogra> man dh_pycentral
[05:56] <cbx33> yeh
[05:56] <cbx33> I'll get it
[05:56] <cbx33> you know it
[05:58] <cbx33> ogra, looking at it, the code that is AT&T copyrighted, is a simply modification that was made....is there a change we can beautify it as willvdl put it, to get round the issue?
[05:59] <willvdl> Hey, don't quote me on it :)
[05:59] <ogra> if you know exactly which code it is you could replace it ...
[05:59] <ogra> but dont miss a bit
[05:59] <cbx33> willvdl, hehe
[05:59] <cbx33> ok I'll see what repy I get first
[05:59] <cbx33> and we'll see what happens
[05:59] <cbx33> we NEED DES
[06:01] <ogra> what about python-crypto ?
[06:02] <cbx33> there was a mention about it...I will have to check it out
[06:02] <ogra> it seems to provide DES
[06:02] <cbx33> i think there was a problem with it
[06:02] <cbx33> will check later
[06:02] <cbx33> after I try this INSANE pacakging
[06:02] <cbx33> i think ogra is trying to melt my brain permanently :p
[06:07] <willvdl> cbx33, kino doesn't like xvid
[06:07] <cbx33> search my blog
[06:07] <cbx33> ang on I'll link you
[06:08] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=168
[06:08] <cbx33> check that out
[06:08] <cbx33> replace the input.flv with your avi file
[06:08] <cbx33> it will wrap it up nice so that kino uses it
[06:09] <willvdl> ripping from dvd/vob
[06:10] <cbx33> that should take any video and make it useable in kino
[06:11] <willvdl> heck even kaffeine only plays audio track. VLC plays fine but is dirty
[06:12] <cbx33> oh dear
[06:15] <willvdl> hmmm, must be a kde thing, linking the plugins to the apps
[06:15] <cbx33> ahh
[06:15] <cbx33> I don't use kde
[06:15] <willvdl> works fine on gnome, just some movement noise. going to try interlacing it
[06:15] <willvdl> oh
[06:16] <cbx33> oh?
[06:17] <ogra> cbx33, http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/pycrypt/pycrypt.html
[06:17] <ogra> should be easy to replace
[06:17] <cbx33> ok will look into it
[06:17] <cbx33> having packaging nightmares at the mo
[06:19] <capt_kirk> ogra, one other thought from the field: is there a way to make the chroot get it's packages from the main root?  Whenever I update the chroot, I end up downloading many of the same files I've already downloaded to the main root.  That wouldn't matter at home, with real broadband, but in Tanzania with 3-4 KBps at top, it can mean several extra hours of download.
[06:20] <ogra> capt_kirk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins ... one could write a plugin that --bind mounts /var/cache/apt/archives to $ROOT/var/cache/apt/archives ;)
[06:33] <ogra> LaserJock, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[06:34] <LaserJock> a whole 7MB :-)
[06:34] <ogra> tuxtype ... as a testpackage
[06:34] <LaserJock> Server and Server Add-on
[06:34] <ogra> yeah
[06:34] <LaserJock> I think I like that switch
[06:35] <ogra> live is desktop now
[06:35] <LaserJock> nice
[06:35] <willvdl> ogra, maybe we can ditch CD 2 and replace with a few stiffies? :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: so you haven't move KDEEdu or gcompris, etc. from the first CD?
[06:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, got a sec for a packaging question
[06:37] <ogra> not yet
[06:37] <ogra> the archive is frozen
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: is that just a matter of a seed change?
[06:37] <ogra> yep
[06:37] <LaserJock> cool
[06:37] <LaserJock> cbx33: what's up?
[06:38] <cbx33> ogra has been helping me....but I keep interrupting him...so i thought I'd give him a break now
[06:38] <cbx33> and bug you instead
[06:38] <cbx33> :p
[06:38] <cbx33> my source pacakge has three binaries
[06:38] <cbx33> two of which require pycentral installation
[06:38] <cbx33> my pacakges build ok now
[06:39] <cbx33> but none of the python module stuff is transferred
[06:41] <cbx33> dpkg -c on the resulting pacakges shows no transfer
[06:42] <cbx33> did I just kill LaserJock
[06:43] <cbx33> damn and i just killed ogra too
[06:43] <cbx33> willvdl, looks like you're next
[06:43] <cbx33> howz your packaging :p
[06:43] <willvdl> my packaging will kill you :)
[06:43] <willvdl> try highvoltage?
[06:44] <cbx33> hheh
[06:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: back, sorry
[06:45] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to teach this afternoon
[06:45] <LaserJock> but I just found out I might not need to
[06:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: what is dpkg -c giving you?
[06:48] <cbx33> none of the files that python-central should install
[06:48] <LaserJock> no .py files get installed?
[06:49] <cbx33> nope
[06:49] <LaserJock> does the source use a setup.py?
[06:49] <cbx33> yes
[06:50] <cbx33> but that needs to serve two binary pacakges
[06:50] <cbx33> as two of my binary pacakges from the one source require python-central
[06:51] <ogra> moquist, ping
[06:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can use <binarypackagename>.install to direct installation I believe
[06:55] <cbx33> no
[06:55] <LaserJock> and you might need to give py_central a flag
[06:55] <cbx33> i used to do that
[06:56] <LaserJock> ogra: I have a conference this week, but when I get back (and Herd3 Freeze is over) I'll work on MIRs
[06:56] <LaserJock> the recursive dependecies are a pain though
[06:57] <LaserJock> when I look at what the package I want deps on some of them are in Universe too so I need to MIRs for them
[06:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you have any more info
[06:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: hard to tell without actually looking at the package
[07:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, sorry dude
[07:31] <willvdl> cbx33, what does your kino setup output? what format?
[07:31] <willvdl> I use avidemux and I get video but no sound...
[07:31] <cbx33> umm.....avi i think
[07:31] <willvdl> hmmmm
[07:31] <cbx33> sorry willvdl I'll take a lok if I get this package done ;)
[07:32] <willvdl> not a problem. it's jsut a matter of me getting the settings right
[07:32] <cbx33> i think so yes
[07:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, what you said above sounds reasonable
[07:32] <cbx33> where do i find more info?
[07:47] <cbx33> ogra, does your setup.py actually ever get run?
[07:47] <cbx33> don;t you need a line like           python$* setup.py install --root $(CURDIR)/debian/python-foo
[07:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, around?
[07:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: sorry, was actually taking with a researcher here who just installed Ubuntu
[07:53] <cbx33> excellent
[07:53] <LaserJock> he's a computer newb
[07:53] <LaserJock> but he loves Ubuntu
[07:53] <cbx33> do you have time to help me out with some pacakging?
[07:53] <cbx33> AWESOME
[07:54] <LaserJock> yeah, he even said the install wasn't hard
[07:54] <LaserJock> and his printer worked
[07:54] <LaserJock> he's Bulgarian and was really impressed that he could use his computer in Bulgarian
[07:54] <LaserJock> he thought Ubuntu had to be a UN project
[07:54] <cbx33> hehe
[07:54] <LaserJock> because how else could something this good be free
[07:55] <cbx33> hehe
[07:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: can you put the package up somewhere real quick?
[07:57] <cbx33> yeh sure
[07:57] <cbx33> mail it to you?
[07:58] <cbx33> hang on
[07:58] <cbx33> i have a place
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock | pm
[08:05] <Burgwork> bdoin: please turn off your away messages
[08:34] <willvdl> cbx33, stuff seems to work with AVI's but not OGGs. Kino struggles though to import but avidemux works fine for splitting (you lose the sound with OGGs but not with AVIs).
[08:34] <cbx33> ok
[08:34] <willvdl> I find it odd since they both use the same xvid codec. must have something to do with the sound overlay
[08:37] <cbx33> yeh
[08:37] <cbx33> the muxing
[08:44] <willvdl> cbx33, pity, I would like to work with OGG/Theora purely from a purist POV
[08:44] <cbx33> yeh
[08:47] <cbx33> bdoin, please turn away messages off
[08:51] <g333k_work> Hi, do you know a way to send popups messages to my clients?  (Beside fl_teachertool, I've tried it but it is not working for me)
[08:52] <cbx33> g333k_work, student control panel
[08:52] <g333k_work> cbx33, does it work with ltsp 4.2?
[08:53] <cbx33> should do
[08:53] <cbx33> what are you on
[08:53] <cbx33> dapper?
[08:53] <cbx33> edgy?
[08:53] <g333k_work> cbx33, edgy + xfce + ltsp 4.2
[08:53] <cbx33> should be good to go
[08:53] <g333k_work> cbx33, where do I have to get it from?
[08:53] <cbx33> um...
[08:53] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install student-control-panel
[08:58] <g333k_work> cbx33, I thought that the s-c-p in the repo was for ltsp 5
[08:58] <cbx33> oh
[08:59] <cbx33> I'm not sure then
[08:59] <g333k_work> :s
[08:59] <cbx33> i wrote the s-c-p in edgy
[09:00] <cbx33> but for the ltsp in edgy
[09:00] <cbx33> I'm not sure what changes there are tbh
[09:03] <moquist> ogra: pong
[09:04] <moquist> ogra: but I'm in class. I'll try to keep an eye in here occasionally, but an email will be best.
[09:05] <ogra> ok
[09:07] <cbx33> ogra, I've done it
[09:07] <cbx33> ;)
[09:08] <cbx33> ogra the setup.py file in your ltsp package
[09:08] <cbx33> it's not needed anymore
[09:08] <cbx33> it's never run
[09:11] <willvdl> thank the heavens for core duo's
[09:12] <cbx33> you mean the amd dual cores right :p
[09:13] <willvdl> no silly, intel
[09:13] <willvdl> :)
[09:16] <ogra> cbx33, indeed its needed for upstream usage
[09:16] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[09:16] <cbx33> i see
[09:16] <ogra> i want other distros to use python-ltsp
[09:16] <cbx33> may need a little help with mine
[09:27] <cbx33> bbl
[09:33] <_mark> Hi folks, I'm looking for instructions for installing a thin client on an old machine. For example, what type of Rom_o_matic image do you need? Does anyone have a URL.
[09:34] <_mark> whois _mark
[09:36] <cliebow_> _mark:what card?
[09:42] <m300107> hello, am looking for instructions for installing thin clients on an old machine. EG what type of rom-o-matic image do you need?does anyone have a url? thanks
[10:05] <cbx33> ogra, you around?
[11:13] <cbx33> phew that was tough
[11:20] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:20] <cbx33> package and some very updated vnc code done
[11:20] <cbx33> I've had to resort to threading some parts
[11:20] <cbx33> :S
[11:20] <cbx33> as the normal code was just too damn slow
[11:38] <Marxus> Hello?
[11:38] <Marxus> I need help
[11:39] <Marxus> hellooooooooooo?
[11:39] <Marxus> please?
[11:39] <cbx33> Hi Marxus
[11:39] <Marxus> Oh thankyou
[11:41] <Marxus> I was using the live cd version but as soon as it gets to the "register cd user" thing it freezes
[11:42] <cbx33> hmmm.
[11:42] <cbx33> can you give me some more info
[11:42] <cbx33> which live cd
[11:42] <Marxus> i was using a windows 95 laptop but it works on my windows xp
[11:42] <Marxus> i want to install it
[11:42] <Marxus> on the windows 95
[11:43] <cbx33> hmm....
[11:43] <cbx33> is that laptop up to spec?
[11:43] <Marxus> it freezes at the loading screen just to make it clear
[11:43] <Marxus> umm.. meaning?
[11:43] <Marxus> does it have enough ram?
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:44] <Marxus> yeah
[11:44] <Marxus> it does
[11:47] <Marxus> can i do anything? I just want to install it.
[11:47] <Marxus> I have no cd burner and my friend lent me his cd.
[11:47] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:47] <cbx33> not sure
[11:48] <cbx33> at the mo, unfortunately I have to pop off to do something
[11:48] <cliebow> souble boot the xp machine?
[11:48] <Marxus> eh?
[11:49] <cliebow> double boot the xp machine?
[11:49] <Marxus> its not xp. windows 95
[11:50] <cliebow> how mch ram?
[11:51] <Marxus> it did a memory test and i passed.... not sure anyway.
[11:52] <Marxus> *sigh*
[11:53] <cliebow> win95 prob has 32 m2g of ram  8~) check in the bios..if it diesnt show any other way
[11:53] <Marxus> whoa! I do not understand that.
[11:54] <cliebow> what sorto f lappie?
[11:54] <Marxus> gateway solo, AMD Duron.
[11:55] <cliebow> cant you get into the bios?
[11:55] <cliebow> with delete or f1 or something?
[11:55] <cliebow> should list the ram somewhere
[11:56] <Marxus> the battery is shot and i have no power cable for it, so i would have to use this one
[11:56] <Marxus> this computers power cable
[11:59] <Marxus> umm... it's useless isn't it?
[12:00] <cliebow> tough call....if the xp machine works..you do have one??make it double boot
[12:01] <Marxus> see. My OS for my windows 95 is crap so i wanted to give it something nice.... besides the XP is my mom... wouldnt want to screw it up
[12:02] <cliebow> true..can you build the os onn another machine..by mmoving hard drive?
[12:04] <Marxus> no...
[12:04] <Marxus> certainly in a pickle aren't I?
[12:07] <Marxus> maybe i should go...
[12:09] <Marxus> alright....


[08:26] <dholbach> hiya
[08:27] <dholbach> could it be that the contact information on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana and http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ needs to be updated? ayatana mailing list, etc


[00:00] <sakang> which way is kubuntu 14.10 going?  kf5 or plasma 5 whatever they call it.  I see alpha1 and looks like it's 4.11 and some 4.13?
[00:01] <sgclark> sakang: kf5/plasma 5 will be on a seperate ISO, it is still in heavy development. Well that is the plan anyway.
[00:03] <sakang> sgclark: got you.. thanks
[00:03] <sgclark> np
[02:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I think you should do the maintenance releases for Plasma 5 5.0.  The first cycle isn't just about code, it's also about maturing processes and project structure, so I think you should deal with it the same as you plan to deal with such things in the future.
[02:55] <jussi> Riddell: [13:53:56] <dvratil> hi, the package from you for Akademy just arrived to Brno :)
[02:56] <jussi> :)
[03:00] <ahoneybun> Riddell, shadeslayer should I help test neon 5 or 14.10 alpha?
[05:19] <ahoneybun> valorie,ping
[05:20] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, 14.10 alpha installed fine
[05:20] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[05:21] <valorie> contentless ping....
[05:21] <ahoneybun> yay 14.10 installed fine
[05:21] <ahoneybun> alpha 1
[05:22] <valorie> nice!
[05:22] <ahoneybun> seems I have no insternet but I think I need my drivers
[05:22]  * valorie will not be jumping into the alpha frying pan
[05:23] <ahoneybun> I have a spare macbook
[05:23] <ahoneybun> so why not
[05:24] <valorie> I decided to give my spare laptop to a friend who needs it
[05:24] <ahoneybun> the steam sale is hitting my credit hard lol
[05:24] <valorie> this fall after akademy I'll experiment
[07:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <mustafa_muhammad> Good morning everybody
[08:16] <mustafa_muhammad> Riddell: The link of kubuntu next repo in the wiki is wrong
[08:16] <mustafa_muhammad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[08:17] <mustafa_muhammad> it points to "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu%20Next%20PPA"
[08:17] <mustafa_muhammad> instaed of "https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next"
[10:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:32] <shadeslayer> good morning :)
[10:36] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[11:42] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning, did you get to kgraphviewer (utopic) if so where did you upload it to?
[12:39] <Riddell> hola sgclark
[12:39] <Riddell> it should be in utopic archive
[12:40] <Riddell> I'll take a look at your other packages shortly
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: Sorry, your search gave no results in archive. It is a depend of massif :(
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: ah hah, it was stuck in new
[12:54] <Riddell> accepted it
[12:56] <sgclark> ty
[12:58] <sgclark> Riddell: regarding the frameworks build of kde-baseapps and konsole, would adding epoch 5 be an acceptable solution to my problem?
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: add epoch 4:
[13:07] <Riddell> should fix it all
[13:07] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:09] <Riddell> and I just finally got someone from debian to say using 4: globally for plasma packages would be a good idea, so yay
[13:10] <sgclark> ok will do that. this just for apps or the frameworks as well?
[13:18] <Riddell> sgclark: just plasma
[13:19] <sgclark> ok
[13:19] <Riddell> and apps which have packages with the same name in the archive
[13:19] <Riddell> I guess we'll decide on other apps as they start to appear
[13:25] <Riddell> sgclark: oh they should probably have gone into the beta backports PPA being only beta releases, but it's not very important since there's no stable package for them to override
[13:26] <sgclark> beta backports? where is that?
[13:27] <sgclark> Riddell: and where is the kgraphviewer? I can't find it :(
[13:29] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer  I just accepted the binaries through New too
[13:29] <Riddell> new packages need to be manually checked twice by archive admins, once for source and once for binary sanity
[13:30] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages  for people who want the latest unstable packages :)
[13:30] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages for people who want the latest stable packages
[13:31] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages (updates) for people who want the latest bugfix packages
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, added to my ever growing bookmarks haha
[13:31] <Riddell> and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages for building e.g. KDE SC releases before copying to an archive (same as ninjas but it's public)
[13:32] <Riddell> and now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages for KF5 packages and those which use it
[13:32] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, copied to my notes.
[13:34] <sgclark> Riddell: with that said, what I packaged should close Bug #1334587 ? did not realize there was a bug report
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark: two bug reports actually, also bug 1244261
[13:36] <Riddell> sgclark: just close that update bug manually, I've already done the other one for kgraphviewer
[13:36] <sgclark> ok thanks
[13:38] <Riddell> sgclark: massif-visualizer looks like a work of perfection, I'll add that bug to the changelog and upload
[13:38] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:40] <sgclark> Riddell: aside from adding epoch to plasma stuff, any other priority for me today? Or back to packaging more framework apps
[13:41] <Riddell> sgclark: can't think of anything
[13:41] <Riddell> monday will have frameworks final release whenever dfaure gets round to it
[13:41] <sgclark> Riddell: ok I will be here
[13:41] <Riddell> thursday will have plasma RC release
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: will be here, Fri is a holiday but I have no plans
[13:44] <sgclark> Riddell: so just to be clear all of the plasma is the 4.97.0 stuff right?
[13:45] <Riddell> sgclark: yep
[13:45] <sgclark> ty
[13:45] <Riddell> this stuff ignoring the bits with different version numbers http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/4.97.0/src/
[13:48] <Riddell> anyone know what's still holding kde-workspace from transition? it's something to do with kubuntu-full but I can get them to install fine http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on i386?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[13:51] <Riddell> mm no, might try that
[13:52] <shadeslayer> probably those windeco's need rebuilding
[13:52] <shadeslayer> because I recall abi bumps in kwin libs
[13:52] <Riddell> yep
[13:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: ?
[13:53] <mgraesslin> Riddell: btw. kwin/5 should now be completely co-installable with kwin/4 and it has entered opensuse factory *hint,hint*
[13:53] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: nothing to be concerned about :)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> internal debian ABI bumps
[13:53] <mgraesslin> good
[13:53] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hmm, interesting, that might be the trigger to put KF5 into the archive if it has a valid user
[13:54] <mgraesslin> Riddell: might be an idea, opensuse even suggested to add kwin5 to the WM selection of plasma 1
[13:55] <mgraesslin> though I'm not convinced as kwin5 doesn't support all features for plasma 1 which kwin4 provided
[14:05] <Riddell> "Description: terminal program for KDE." I wonder if that sort of description should become "from KDE"
[14:07] <Riddell> or dropped
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: where did you get the konsole description? the one in the kde 4 packages seems much nicer
[14:10] <sgclark> Riddell: I can grab from kde4 package, I dont recall now, prolly the frameworks site. I am working on epochs so will fix that while I am at it
[14:12] <Riddell> sgclark: don't worry I just did it
[14:12] <sgclark> ok
[14:13] <Riddell> hmm I wonder if the changelog from the kde 4 package should be preserved
[14:16] <sgclark> I waasnt sure as it is another branch
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: did you start the packaging based on the existing konsole package or just start from scratch?
[14:17] <Riddell> that's probably a good detemining factor in whether to keep the changelog
[14:17] <sgclark> started from scratch
[14:18] <Riddell> lets not keep it then
[14:18] <Riddell> hah, debian's weird patch debian-T-addition.diff still applies without changing
[14:21] <sgclark> Riddell: do we have a kbzr equivalent for next?
[14:22] <Riddell> sgclark: knextbzr :)
[14:22] <sgclark> I am practicing my bashy scripty skills with this epoch thing
[14:22] <sgclark> thanks!
[14:22] <Riddell> update kubuntu-dev-tools to get it
[14:22] <sgclark> great thanks
[14:22] <Riddell> I have it in my $PATH too
[14:22] <sgclark> good idea
[14:24] <Riddell> uh oh, massif-visualizer broke my arm!
[14:25] <Riddell> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178826931/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.massif-visualizer_0.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> ../../../kdchart/src/KDChartStackedPlotter_p.cpp:87:43: error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(double&, const qreal&)'
[14:28] <sgclark> yeah saw that, beyond my capabilities
[14:29] <Riddell> it's usually pretty simple to fix, just qMax() cast around the double
[14:29] <Riddell> but annoyingly my arm server has changed ip or something so I can't log in to check
[14:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division
[14:31] <Riddell> which sounds ominous
[14:41] <Riddell> sgclark: konsole looking good
[14:41] <Riddell> I added lintian override, the postinst and prerm scripts for alternatives and the do-noting debian patch from the old package
[14:42] <Riddell> working fine too, although I had to change the font from sans-serif
[14:43] <Riddell> hmm I'm not convinced by oxygen mono for a terminal font
[14:43] <sgclark> same
[14:44] <Riddell> but yay, first kf5 non-plasma app running good enough for daily use :)
[14:45] <Riddell> konsole
[14:45] <Riddell> konsole  ~ppa3 uploaded
[14:46] <sgclark> woot, ty
[14:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does that kubotu pluin work?  what makes it delayed at times?
[14:56] <apachelogger> only polls every 30 minutes
[14:57] <apachelogger> eean for some reason decided that one cannot have it poll more often than that
[14:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: polls what? the bzr branch directly?
[14:57] <apachelogger> the rss feeds
[14:57] <Riddell> launchpad has rss feeds for bzr branches?
[14:58] <apachelogger> sure
[14:58] <Riddell> nice
[15:00] <Riddell> hmm, I realise I have a discipline problem with added dep3 headers to patches
[15:05] <shadeslayer> tsk tsk
[15:05] <Riddell> maybe we need a kubotu patch to tell me off every time I commit a patch without dep 3
[15:23] <Riddell> sgclark: in kde-baseapps any idea why libkonq5-templates exists?  I see it's there in the kde 4 version but I don't see why it's a separate package
[15:24] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't either, just saw they did that in kde4
[15:25] <sgclark> Riddell: do to the sizr of that, I admit I looked at the kde4 counterpart to see what they did.
[15:26] <Riddell> that's a good thing to do
[15:26] <sgclark> if it is wrong I blame them :) should probably also merge changelogs unless we make drastic changes
[15:26] <Riddell> changelog says " Split some files from libkonq5 out into libkonq5-templates which conflict with KDE 3's kdesktop." so it's a historic issue
[15:27] <Riddell> on the other hand it probably should keep libkonq-common incase of ABI bumps
[15:27] <Riddell> and the whole ABI should be bumped compared to kde 4 version
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde-workspace migrated
[15:40] <Riddell> yay!
[15:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess in copyright files where the script has put " -? konqueror/sidebar/web_module/CMakeLists.txt
[15:46] <Riddell> that means you should check to confirm if it comes under that copyright or not
[15:46] <Riddell> and then remove the -?
[15:46] <Riddell> I guess
[15:46] <Riddell> not sure what - or + mean
[15:46] <Riddell> presumably it's all documented somewhere
[15:47] <sgclark> ALmost the CMakeLists.txt I have checked dont have any copyright in them, I guess they fall under * ?
[15:47] <sgclark> all*
[15:47] <sgclark> the - ones are excluded, the + ones are included
[15:48] <sgclark> I alway double check the - ones to make sure they are listed in the appropriate copyright
[15:49] <sgclark> aka go directly to that file and see what copyright it has
[15:50] <sgclark> copyright-helper is nice, but far from fool proof. I still have to manually check alot of files
[15:50] <sgclark> but with my up and coming elite scripting skills it will get easier
[15:57] <Riddell> :)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: deleted
[16:10] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:10] <sgclark> tee hee only one needed epoch added, learned new skills though, so I am happy
[16:11]  * Riddell admires sgclark's ninja headscarf
[16:11] <sgclark> :)
[16:13] <sgclark> Riddell: what would be the next app you think, rekonq?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> errors installing kde-workspace on 14.10,  http://privatepaste.com/425c022733 ...oddly enough -f install fixed this issue on my laptop with intel graphics, but fails to fix the error on my older desktop with nvidia graphics
[16:16] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh yeah that would be cool, no idea what state it's in but worth investigating
[16:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :) working on that now
[16:24]  * Darkwing grumbles
[16:25] <Riddell> Darkwing: don't grumble, give a whistle, things always turn out for the best
[16:26] <Darkwing> Wonder how many of these things will be addressed in KDE5 https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[16:26] <Riddell> plasma 5? someone is taking that on
[16:26] <Riddell> sebas maybe
[16:26] <Darkwing> I have one of those new laptops with it and finding a setup that works is insane.
[16:32] <Darkwing> Is there any UI scaling in 14.04 and I'm just not looking in the right place?
[16:33] <Darkwing> I know where the fint scaling is... That helps
[16:33] <shadeslayer> voila, new Neon 5 ISO http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-201406271613.iso.mirrorlist
[16:33] <Darkwing> But, I can't find any info on UI scaling.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> kde-window -manager is broken on my desktop pc, no pagers for virtual desktops etc, no titlebars ...not good
[16:41] <BluesKaj> after the kwin upgrade
[17:33] <Riddell> sgclark: new kde-baseapps uploaded, I just grabbed a new version from git for the soname change and added some lintian overrides, overwise packaging all good
[17:36] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like Quintasan did some sddm packaging which is in bzr, did you start fresh?
[17:36] <Riddell> and does it work?
[17:37] <Quintasan> I did and shadeslayer built something on top of it
[17:39] <Riddell> pacakging a display manager will need upstart scripts and other foo which I think Quintasan's packaging has
[17:39] <sgclark> Riddell: shadeslayer has taken that back over
[17:40] <sgclark> Riddell: disregard mine, shadeslayer is takin g the bits from mine that he wants.
[17:40] <Riddell> ah, he just went to play his fiddle so I'll guess I'll work that out next week
[17:41] <sgclark> He was working on it earlier, maybe go look at his?
[17:42] <sgclark> Riddell: [06:49] <shadeslayer> lets see if it works was his last comment about upstart script, no idea what the outcome was
[17:43] <Quintasan> Why would we want upstart
[17:43] <Quintasan> wait
[17:43] <Quintasan> systemd switch for 14.10 or not?
[17:43] <Riddell> well whatever boot system we use now
[17:44] <Riddell> I hope it's for 14.10, don't think it's happened yet
[17:49] <Riddell> new plasma-mediacenter too if anyone is in a mood to package
[17:51]  * sgclark raises hand
[17:51] <sgclark> Riddell: is that for kf5?
[17:56] <Riddell> sgclark: don't think so no
[17:56] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so build in trusty qt4?
[17:56] <Riddell> sgclark: utopic and backport to trusty on qt4 http://dot.kde.org/2014/06/23/plasma-media-center-13-available
[17:57] <Riddell> probably a simple update from 1.2
[17:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so I can make that a weekend project unless your in a hurry for it, in which case someone else can package :)
[17:57] <Riddell> bug 1334595
[17:57] <Riddell> sgclark: sure, no rush
[17:58] <sgclark> ok assigned myself then, will have it ready for you monday
[18:01] <Riddell> awooga
[18:01] <sgclark> this does not look right /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake and of course KF5Config.cmake cannot be found
[18:02]  * sgclark wonders what happened
[18:03] <Riddell> sgclark: what's not right?
[18:04] <Riddell> the file called KF5ConfigConfig.cmake is right, it's the cmake config file for KF5Config
[18:04] <sgclark> see the double Config?
[18:04] <Riddell> that's right
[18:04] <sgclark> well this package thinks it should only have one config
[18:04] <sgclark> bug in this package?
[18:05] <Riddell> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Service/KF5ServiceConfig.cmake for KF5Service, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5Config/KF5ConfigConfig.cmake for KF5Config
[18:05] <Riddell> sgclark: which package?
[18:05] <sgclark> rekonq
[18:06] <sgclark> dies at KF5Config.cmake find_package
[18:07] <sgclark> but now I see the pattern, investigating the find_package
[18:08] <Riddell> it's always possible there's been some change in frameworks and rekonq hasn't been updated for it
[18:09] <sgclark> hmm yeah, the version is wrong, KF5_MIN_VERSION "4.96.0" would that trigger it?
[18:10] <sgclark> otherwise looks right...
[18:11] <Riddell> maybe
[18:11] <sgclark> trying a patch
[18:12] <sgclark> blech, nope
[18:14] <Riddell> -FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 CONFIG REQUIRED
[18:14] <Riddell> +FIND_PACKAGE (KF5 REQUIRED
[18:14] <Riddell> sgclark: try that
[18:14] <sgclark> ok
[18:14] <Riddell> in CMakeLists.txt
[18:14] <sgclark> yep
[18:15] <Riddell> however if it's not been worked on since May there might be other issues that stop it from compiling
[18:15] <sgclark> that fixed that error
[18:16] <sgclark> ok, will keep me busy for a bit then lol.  Not sure I understand this one
[18:52] <Riddell> sgclark: look at it, can you understand that javascript?
[18:52] <Riddell> it has been minified which means all the spaces removed so it's not preferred modified form
[18:52] <Riddell> ignore for now, it should be fixed upstream
[18:52] <sgclark> oohh ok
[19:17] <txwikinger> Does anybody have an idea why Qtcreator 3.0.1 on trusty does not show the menubar?
[19:22] <txwikinger> ah got it
[20:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell, sgclark what would happen if I add the Kubuntu Next ppa to a 14.10 install?
[20:33] <sgclark> ahoneybun: it is not recommended to put in on a production computer.
[20:33] <ahoneybun> sgclark, tesing notebook
[20:34] <ahoneybun> sgclark, so would it replace the current apps with kde5 versions?
[20:35] <sgclark> I cannot guarantee a problem free experience. Only a few apps have been ported
[20:35] <ahoneybun> sgclark,thats ok is it for testing?
[20:35] <Riddell> ahoneybun: but it would be good if you wanted to test
[20:35] <ahoneybun> or is it better to use neon 5?
[20:35] <sgclark> you will need to put QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to even login
[20:35] <Riddell> nah you don't just install qt5-default
[20:36] <sgclark> ahoneybun: yes if you are brave, please do test :) and let me know problems
[20:42] <sgclark> Riddell: rekonq is ready for your review, this time I just adjusted kde4 debian to work with the frameworks build
[20:53] <Riddell> sgclark: great
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[21:02] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are you?
[21:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same place you left me
[21:02] <Riddell> this chair is so sticky I'm not sure I can get out of it
[21:03] <shadeslayer> Office?  :O
[21:03] <Riddell> yes
[21:03] <shadeslayer> Is Albert there?
[21:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no he left an hour or so ago
[21:04] <Riddell> sgclark: I wouldn't use 4:4.97.0 version for rekonq, it has always been released as its own separate thing
[21:04] <Riddell> sgclark: so maybe use 2.5~
[21:04] <shadeslayer> I see
[21:05] <Riddell> sgclark: I'd remove any patches that are no longer relevant from the archive
[21:06] <Riddell> sgclark: otherwise all super
[22:36] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: any news about the server?
[22:38] <valorie> [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:15] ovidiu-florin: the server company sent an e-mail to say it was being passed to their special division
[22:38] <valorie> [13:24] <Riddell> [14:31:26] which sounds ominous
[22:38] <valorie> we had a lil netsplit, so you might have missed that
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin_> valorie: I've missed it
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin_> thanks
[22:40] <ovidiu-florin_> valorie: do you think this would be ok as a link to my wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OvidiuFlorinBogdan
[22:40] <ovidiu-florin_> I'm creating it now
[22:41] <valorie> uh, I think personal pages are different
[22:41] <valorie> sec
[22:41] <ovidiu-florin_> as I've seen from Riddell s page the format is: base-wiki-url/full-name
[22:42] <valorie> no, you are right
[22:42] <valorie> I'm wrong
[22:42] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ValorieZimmerman is mine
[22:42] <ovidiu-florin_> ok, thank you
[22:43] <valorie> take anything you like from mine; it's all lifted from elsewhere also


[01:43] <glitchd> hello  everyone
[01:43] <glitchd> im using xubuntu 13.10 and im getting really bad sound quality thru my headphones and thru the laptop speakers
[01:43] <glitchd> this is a brand new hp probook 4540s
[01:44] <glitchd> wondering if anyone could possibly give me some insight on why or in finding out why
[01:47] <glitchd> ...?
[01:47] <glitchd> cool thx for not responding everyone.
[01:57] <FuuqUmiist> which uses less resources Xubuntu or Linux Mint XFCE?
[01:57] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: try them and see
[01:57] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: should be very similar.. both are free and easy to try on your specific hardware
[01:58] <holstein> both are xfce.. both are ubuntu base.. both should be able to be setup to be quite similar to the other.. mint is not supported here
[02:42] <melt7777> i would say the closer to the master distro the more reliability
[03:33] <DoctorOW> Hello...
[03:47] <DoctorOW> Anyone on?
[04:58] <lestus> anyone know of a good screen capture software that will work in-game?
[04:59] <lestus> or screencasting/webcasting
[05:09] <FuuqUmiist> idk, maybe try the app called RecordMyDesktop
[05:10] <lestus> yea it bugs out
[05:10] <lestus> hence the 'good' part
[05:14] <lestus> recon there is a channel where i can ask?
[05:15] <FuuqUmiist> maybe VLC can webcast and stuff
[05:15] <FuuqUmiist> and record even, i'm not sure
[05:15] <FuuqUmiist> but only elite gamers record their stuff :P
[05:16] <lestus> mhm, haven't looked into it beyond using as player, so not sure what else it's capable of
[05:16] <lestus> lol
[05:16] <lestus> well
[05:16] <lestus> thats not for me to decide :P
[05:18] <lestus> plenty of elite games on lin steam now, like dota 2 :)
[06:01] <lestus> can anyone link an alpha iso of xubuntu 14.04 ?
[06:02] <Unit193> Daily or beta?
[06:02] <Unit193> !daily
[06:02] <lestus> ty
[06:25] <glitchd> hello everyone
[06:25] <glitchd> what could make the sound quality horrible in xubuntu 13.10
[06:26] <glitchd> i remember everything sounded great before but now everything sounds tinny and hollow and horrible
[06:43] <glitchd> anyone awake?
[06:58] <Lestat748> Is there away to make it where the "Num Lock" key come on when Xubuntu starts up?
[08:42] <mapps> Ìû
[09:31] <serranellus> hi everybody, could anyone help me? I have no video playback support at all! Flash videos work fine in Firefox but no video files work with Parole or any other media players. I am sure it is a graphic drivers problem. My card is a Via Unichrome Pro.
[16:09] <logan85> I have a question about 14.04 Beta, it installed fine but the dock style panel at the bottom of the screen is missing. Is this a bug or intentional?
[16:11] <baizon> logan85: intentional
[16:11] <baizon> logan85: you can create one by yourself :)
[16:12] <logan85> alright thanks for letting me know it's supposed to be that way. . . do you know if there are plans for a different kind of dock or what?
[16:17] <GridCube> logan85, no, the new menu launcher has already built a favourites section
[16:17] <GridCube> a panel for those would be redundant
[16:18] <GridCube> again, as baizon said, you can just make your own panel if you feel like you need to have them there :)
[16:18] <brainwash> -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[16:19] <GridCube> logan85, please remember to report your test of the iso in the tracker
[16:20] <logan85> Thanks! I do like the new menu, I just almost miss the dock panel, but not enough to re-implement it in it's old form.
[16:20] <logan85> I have no idea how to report my test of the iso
[16:21] <GridCube> :) logan85 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:21] <GridCube> log in into the iso tracker and report any test you do against the daily isos (the reports for the beta1 are already closed)
[16:22] <GridCube> if you do tests regularly agains the daily isos you will be helping xubuntu a lot
[16:23] <GridCube> in that page you will find detailed information about how and what to test, any questio you should have you can ask on #xubuntu-devel if you want
[16:48] <craigbass1976> I'm on 12.04.  Any trick to get sketchup running?  I can start it, but it's kind of locked up whenever I do.  It seems to have fired up in a new firefox window, but nothing is responding, like buttons and menus.
[16:49] <TheSheep> no it doesn't work on linux :(
[16:50] <craigbass1976> Oh, I thought folks were getting it going in wine.
[16:51] <craigbass1976> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpijaUCNHwg  ?
[16:51] <GridCube> craigbass1976, checked appdb?
[16:51] <craigbass1976> GridCube, never heard of it. checking...
[16:52] <GridCube> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1815
[16:52] <GridCube> craigbass1976, ^
[17:00] <craigbass1976> GridCube, Phaw... I quit.  I think I'm going to give SweetHome 3d a try.  This kitchen app I run now is sucking worse and worse with every new version...
[17:00] <GridCube> why not use online tools?
[17:01] <craigbass1976> GridCube, I don't know that there are any for kitchen design.
[17:04] <craigbass1976> There's a program called 2020, and the've kind of got the market cornered.  I'm trying to avoid turning the last couple of XP machines here at the lumber yard into 7 boxes when XP gets EOL.  More Linux boxes here would be great, but kitchens is the last Windows dependent application.
[17:05] <GridCube> craigbass1976, i used this a while ago and it was not bad for free http://www.floorplanner.com/
[17:06] <craigbass1976> GridCube, will it give me a list of cabinets when I'm done?  B36, W1230, etc?
[17:06] <GridCube> no idea
[17:07] <GridCube> craigbass1976, if you have your old xp licences you can still run the apps on a virtual enviroment if they are so important, and have that enviroment set to just use that, like never connect to the internet or anything
[17:08] <GridCube> so they will be safe of infection and will run your apps
[17:09] <craigbass1976> I just want to pop a bottle of Pino Grigio and have a "burn the stickers" party.
[17:09] <craigbass1976> If I can find Linux apps, all the better.  I think I can do it with Sweet Home 3d, but it will take a bit to learn the program.
[17:11] <GridCube> craigbass1976, there are paid linux programs like this http://cad.arcad.de/products_architecture.php
[17:23] <craigbass1976> GridCube, Thanks for those.
[18:01] <DutchPUA> hi!
[18:01] <DutchPUA> So, I have a small problem. The ISO is 800mb, my CDs are 700mb
[18:01] <DutchPUA> what should I do
[18:03] <starrats> buy some dvd's lol
[18:03] <DutchPUA> ;_;
[18:04] <starrats> or as other folks say 'live cd's'
[18:07] <elfy> DutchPUA: dvd's or usb's for xubuntu now
[18:18] <DutchPUA> I'll just get the 12.04 release
[19:37] <mapps> hey
[19:37] <mapps> how can i make grub boot up without requiring a key press
[19:37] <mapps> it just sits there until i press a ket
[19:39] <elfy> mapps: no errors - just sits there?
[20:28] <mapps> hey elfy
[20:28] <mapps> yea just sits there mate
[20:28] <mapps> i checked /etc/default/grub and timeout is set to 10
[20:28] <elfy> mapps: can you pastebin it please
[20:29] <mapps> yep
[20:29] <mapps> 2sec
[20:29] <mapps> would it work to cat it then | pastebinit ?
[20:29] <elfy> I've had it do that to me - but only when there is an issue with a previous boot
[20:29] <elfy> yep
[20:29] <mapps> hmm
[20:30] <mapps> did it show any errors
 mapps: can you pastebin it please
[20:34] <mapps> ah
[20:34] <elfy> in my experience an error at boot - that stops it booting, when you come back to grub it will just sit there
[20:34] <mapps> sorry
[20:34] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069800/
[20:35] <elfy> mapps: comment the #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 line and update-grub
[20:40] <mapps> hang on why? im sure i read i needed that
[20:42] <mapps> ok done
[20:42] <mapps> rebooting now
[20:43] <elfy> what I'd be expecting with your grub is not to see it - and for it to take 11 seconds
[20:43] <elfy> mmm
[20:43] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069862/
[20:44] <mapps> rebooted and its just stuck there again:D
[20:44] <elfy> mine - shows menu and I have 3 seconds to select something else
[20:44] <Unit193> elfy: Can always `diff -u /usr/share/grub/default/grub /etc/default/grub`
[20:44] <mapps> hmm
[20:44] <elfy> mapps: I have GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true yours is false
[20:45] <mapps> ok lets see
 it should only stop booting if it can't complete safely
 GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=10
 that value is how many seconds to wait if it thinks boot failed. default is infinite
 evening all
[20:48] <mapps> you see that elfy ?
[20:49] <elfy> see ^^
[20:49] <elfy> ?
[20:49] <mapps> the GRUB_RECORDFAIL
[20:49] <mapps> i couldnt see it in your paste nor mine
[20:50] <elfy> yea sawa that - I don't have that line set - hence it will just sit there patiently
[20:51] <mapps> http://askubuntu.com/questions/55551/how-can-i-force-ubuntu-to-boot-on-a-stuck-boot-menu
[20:51] <mapps> lets see if that works:)
[20:55] <juan__> good night, I upgraded from ubuntu, but my configurations changed all but the most important and always ask for help is to change the monitor, mine has 1440 * 900 but not shown here, how do I restore to this setting? can someone help? thank you!
[20:57] <mapps> it worked
[20:57] <elfy> mapps: the recordfail line?
[20:57] <mapps> yep
[20:57] <mapps> did you see that askubuntu url? can edit the script in grub.d but adding the RECORDFAIL line is easier
[20:57] <elfy> I'd wonder if you commented it now whether grub would halt
[20:58] <mapps> hmm
[20:58] <elfy> yea I did look
[20:58] <mapps> shall i see?
[20:58] <elfy> it would do my curiosity a world of good :p
[21:00] <mapps> lletssee
[21:02] <mapps> rebooting
[21:03] <mapps> annnnd
[21:03] <mapps> its hanging there
[21:03] <mapps> O_
[21:03] <Travis> Hello.
[21:03] <elfy> odd
[21:03] <mapps> where would it log the error elfy ?
[21:03] <elfy> mapps: well thanks for satisfying the curiousity :)
[21:04] <mapps> i ran reboot should i run shutdown and try again..dunno why its doung this
[21:04] <mapps> aha :)
[21:04] <elfy> not sure that it would log it
[21:07] <mapps> question
[21:07] <mapps> i disabled root for ssh - figured best idea..no? get loads of people trying to gain access in auth.log to user root
[21:07] <mapps> and it didnt take affect until i rebooted..even tho i restarted sshd
[21:07] <elfy> no idea
[21:07] <mapps> ok
[21:08] <mapps> thanks :D
[22:20] <Wilbert> I'm new here. Is it acceptable for me to ask for help getting xubuntu to properly recognize my display here? If not, is there another place I can go for help?
[22:24] <krytarik> Wilbert: Of course, this is Xubuntu support. :)
[22:25] <wilbert_> sorry, had to reboot after reinstalling xubuntu
[22:25] <GridCube> !ask | wilbert_
[23:03] <wilbert> I just installed Xubuntu on an AMD Sempron 3000+ machine with 1G ram alongside Windows XP. Connected is a Samsung SyncMaster 204BM LCD monitor with an optimum resolution of 1600x1200 at 60Hz. When I first installed Xubuntu it was using the screen, but at 1024x768 instead of the optimal resolution. I tried adding a .conf file to the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder with settings I got using the gtf and xrandr commands. This led to me being
[23:03] <wilbert> able to select the 1600x1200 option. But using that option led to noise on the screen. Perhaps somewhat stubbornly I selected the option anyway and rebooted. The problem persisted, so I deleted the .conf file I added using the terminal, and rebooted again. This time after rebooting I had a weird black-and-white image without anything recognizable. I wasn't able to fix this so I reinstalled Xubuntu. This time around Xubuntu is using 800x600 a
[23:03] <wilbert> s a resolution. It doesn't seem to be detecting my graphics card properly, as it only detects one screen (previously it also saw the S-Video output). The jitter is gone though. No additional drivers were available for me on the first install, and none are available now. What's my next step in getting my monitor to work properly at a higher resolution? Thanks in advance for any and all responses, and sorry for the wall of text.
[23:39] <melt7777> hey guys, i customized my plymouth theme, and it works great on shutdown but still shows the default on boot.... i changed /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth to my themes plymouth file.... any ideas?


 @RikMills
 could be
 so the build machine has it ?
 new glibc is in proposed. staging PPAs build with proposed enabled
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QzKMBBfMfF/
 yes, glibc in propose with be tangled with a few things, meaning you can't simply install just that
 yes, glibc in propose will be tangled with a few things, meaning you can't simply install just that
 yeah .. thats y i didn't installed it .. (re @RikMills: yes, glibc in propose will be tangled with a few things, meaning you can't simply install just that)
 hopefully they will sort the conflict
 btw, r u going to the next coming summit on november?
 btw, r u going to the next coming summit in november?
 i think @Eickmeyer will attend the summit right?
 looks unlikely at the moment
[12:25] <RikMills> santa_: working on the RC upload to ppa now
[12:25] <RikMills> pushing some git also
[12:31]  * RikMills uploads to ppa
[13:26] <RikMills> santa_: no issues I could see on your ka branch
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> @myfenris I'll be at summit.
 see ya ! (re @IrcsomeBot: <Eickmeyer> @myfenris I'll be at summit.)
[19:03] <valorie> Eickmeyer: any response to your email yet?
[19:04] <valorie> to u-devel
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> valorie: Kindof. The issue on github finally got resolved (after months!), but no direct response.
[19:05] <valorie> :-|
[19:05] <valorie> issue resolved is good
[19:05] <valorie> no comms -- not so much
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. That's what I'm most upset about. Skunkworks is not OK in Ubuntu per the CoC.
[19:06] <valorie> 'zactly
[19:07] <valorie> when I was admin for KDE GSoC, trained the mentors to make the point to all students that their "grade" depended half on comms, half on code
[19:07] <valorie> it took years, but now that's the GSoC policy as a whole
[19:07] <valorie> the "lone programmer" myth has gotta go
[19:08] <valorie> it takes All Of Us
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Yes. It's not a lone programmer issue, though, it's an entire team not communicating publicly/with the flavor leads.
[19:08] <valorie> that is literally the point of calling the project Ubuntu
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[19:09] <valorie> I miss the naked people in an entwined circle
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> XD
[19:10] <valorie> at the one Ubuntu devel meeting I attended, everyone was there
[19:11] <valorie> and my habit of trying to eat most meals with people I don't know started there
[19:11] <valorie> breakfast with core Ubuntu devels was interesting
[19:12] <valorie> but we found a bit to talk about...
[19:13] <valorie> now the devels no longer meet with all of us -- they have their own meetings
[19:13] <valorie> I think that's a mistake on Canonical's part
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> The release team, archive admins, and SRU teams (all the core teams) no longer have public meetings.
[22:00] <santa_> hi everyone
[22:04] <santa_> RikMills: that's great news! thanks a lot for testing
[22:04] <santa_> another thing related to apps:
[22:05] <santa_> I realized kalendar was rebranded as merkuro if I'm not mistaken
[22:05] <santa_> I have a WIP package here, which I'm going to push to git and upload to the PPA
[22:06] <santa_> it's untested on my side, but it builds


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[18:07] <jphilips> pleia2, bluesabre: are we announcing the .1 release today?
[18:08] <pleia2> does it enable the lts>lts upgrades?
[18:09] <pleia2> and/or fix anything else that was important during the initial release?
[18:10] <pleia2> this is all we did for 18.04, we can do something similar, I just want it to be true (like, high-impact bugs were actually fixed ;)) https://xubuntu.org/news/18-04-1-released/
[18:18] <jphilips> bluesabre mentioned in the release notes that .1 should fix the amd bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/+bug/1873895
[18:18] <jphilips> and also that window decorations on VNC would be fixed by .1
[18:18] <pleia2> ah yes, that was one we mentioned in the initial release announcement
[18:18] <jphilips> https://imgur.com/jIhtYPO.png
[18:18] <pleia2> that one too!
[18:19] <pleia2> so yes, I think it's worth drafting something up real quick
[18:19] <pleia2> I am swamped with real work right now :( but I can review something if you want to write a draft
[18:21] <jphilips> the amd bug seems to still not be fixed
[18:22] <pleia2> aww
[18:22] <jphilips> the torrent link on the download page doesnt work
[18:22] <jphilips> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:24] <pleia2> yeah, we need to update for .1
[18:24] <jphilips> okay fixed that
[18:25] <jphilips> the mirrors don't seem to have a 20.04.1 folder
[18:25] <jphilips> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/xubuntu/releases/
[18:26] <jphilips> okay some do https://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/20.04.1/release/
[18:26] <jphilips> oh wait, those are still the .0 links in it
[18:26] <pleia2> yeah, they take hours (or a day+) to propagate, depending on how often they pull from the source
[18:26] <pleia2> some only do it daily
[18:27] <jphilips> so nothing for us to do there, but how to point it to the .1 folders once they are propagated?
[18:29] <pleia2> I don't remember how it works :\
[18:29] <jphilips> knome: will you be handling this once the .1 folders are created?
[21:32] <krytarik> jphilips: I'm curious what happened to the effort of updating xubuntu-docs?  Because last I know is nothing has ever been committed to the VCS yet, and some pending stuff might be in various Google docs not linked anywhere.
[21:34] <jphilips> krytarik: the effort is ongoing and can be found here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KpmN_tCOHaDwQgNtqyyt6DqZ7M0xSMCNTadORcY_Whw/edit#
[21:35] <krytarik> I'm asking because it went rather silent around it recently.
[21:35] <jphilips> once bluesabre sets things up so that we can translate the new version, we will then begin pushing the updates to the github repo
[21:58] <Unit193> Mmm, so nothing has come of that effort yet, then. :/
[22:17] <jphilips> alot of work has been done in the google docs but nothing transferred to the repo yet