[08:35] <slept> desrt, you can get the source and build it by hand , then you'll know more , dpkg-buildpackage -D might help
[08:36] <jeroen_> Amaranth, better than the current smeg
[08:36] <desrt> slept; autoconf is being atypically unuseful, actually
[08:36] <Amaranth> jeroen_: tell me how to make it better
[08:36] <desrt> oh.  i see.  good suggestion.
[08:36] <jeroen_> Amaranth, it looks good; it displays "other" which is great :)
[08:37] <haloecho> greetings
[08:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: 0.7 does too
[08:37] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I like the properties of the icons to not be opened in a new window
[08:37] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I have .5
[08:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Write me a treeview widget that does what you want and you've got it.
[08:37] <desrt> slept; spot on.  thanks.
[08:38] <Amaranth> jeroen_: oh, you're way out of date ;)
[08:38] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I can't. What I mean is that it's annoying to have a new window pop-up, just to make a quick change, especially if you want to make several changes to several icons.
[08:39] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Well, I can't either so we're stuck.
[08:41] <lleberg_> jeroen_: what do they mean with non-free on multiverse?
[08:42] <rob_lt> Anyone here ever used gpsdrive?  I can't seem to load the nasa sat map.
[08:42] <__Rob> how long should it take to install the base system for hoary?
[08:42] <jeroen_> lleberg_, they mean free as in freedom. The freedom to alter and redistribute the software. http://www.fsf.org/
[08:42] <lleberg_> jeroen_: oh
[08:42] <iamnow> Uncomp: ?
[08:43] <makisupa> I'm having a repository/dependency problem...trying to install Arson, which needs the kdelibs.  The version that synaptic or apt-get are looking for (3.1) are not at security.ubuntu (3.2).  Any ideas?
[08:43] <iamnow> what is Uncomp
[08:43] <lleberg_> jeroen_: So it's nothing that it would cost me anything or things like that?
[08:43] <stjepan> may I ask you a question?
[08:43] <jeroen_> lleberg_, no
[08:43] <iamnow> Block 662 length 17338 => 65536
[08:43] <klaym> anyone know of any programs on ubuntu for monitoring the stock market?
[08:43] <iamnow> Uncomp: input corrupt 662
[08:43] <iamnow> klaym: gnome panel stock ticker?
[08:43] <stjepan> may I?
[08:43] <jeroen_> stjepan, the topic of this channel says "Just help"
[08:43] <stjepan> :)
[08:44] <stjepan> ok
[08:44] <jeroen_> I mean
[08:44] <jeroen_> "Just ask"
[08:44] <stjepan> Is ubuntu buggy?
[08:44] <dr_willis> i cant even think of any. :P
[08:44] <jeroen_> ubuntu breezy is buggy, but it's supposed to be. It's the version for testing
[08:44] <dr_willis> a few 'oddities' in ways.. bt trivial.
[08:44] <jeroen_> Ubuntu hoary (current release) has been real stable for me
[08:44] <thoreauputic> stjepan: no show stoppers in Hoary AFAICS
[08:45] <klaym> iamnow: I mean like a tool where you could set, for example a gliding average rate, etc
[08:45] <lleberg_> For me to, and i'm on the 64bit
[08:45] <lleberg_> (but the w32codecs and flashplayer doesn't work)
[08:45] <jason_> KDE 3.3.2 allowed the user to choose what gtk theme to use for gtk apps in KDE. i don't see that option in ubuntu's KDE 3.4
[08:45] <jason_> how do i access it?
[08:45] <iamnow> klaym: no idea what that is
[08:45] <__Rob> should 'installing the base system' take 1-2 hours?
[08:45] <jeroen_> __Rob, hell no
[08:45] <klaym> I'll try the ticker though, thx
[08:46] <__Rob> jeroen_: well it is.. it's taken 15 minutes to get to 11%
[08:46] <jeroen_> __Rob, not on a decent speed computer anyway
[08:46] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[08:46] <__Rob> jeroen_: this is in virtualpc, which runs fast enough to install most other things at a decent rate
[08:46] <nalioth> __Rob: depends on what hardware and what network connection you have
[08:47] <jeroen_> __Rob, I have a friend who installed with a virtual machine
[08:47] <jeroen_> __Rob, I will ask him ;)
[08:47] <nalioth> __Rob: virtual pc only runs at 300mhz, no matter the host system speed
[08:47] <lleberg_> uhm, i have this kind of strange problem
[08:47] <__Rob> nalioth: network connection? does ubuntu not contain all it needs on the iso image?
[08:47] <lleberg_> when the xscreensaver is running
[08:47] <oDysseas> kde for ubuntu is binary?
[08:47] <lleberg_> itshows the commands it''s running at the top of the screen!
[08:47] <lleberg_> in yellow text
[08:47] <nalioth> __Rob: ubuntu upgrades itself during install if it finds a net connection
[08:48] <synd> hello peoples
[08:48] <__Rob> naolith: must be a different virtualpc to the one i use... it runs quite nicely (benchmarks at 600-700Mhz)
[08:48] <ngd> hey guys, I was playing with a live cd the other day, is the screen lock ubuntu uses just xscreensaver with a different dialog?
[08:48] <nalioth> __Rob: which one are yo using?
[08:48] <__Rob> nalioth: VirtualPC 7
[08:49] <nalioth> __Rob: then i'm screwed, then, cuz my vpc7 docs tell me "300 mhz pentium"
[08:49] <nalioth> __Rob: why are u not installing the PPC ubuntu?
[08:49] <jason_> anyone know how to force the kde theme on gtk apps? it's an option in kcontrol in debian
[08:49] <__Rob> nalioth: i'm testing something out
[08:50] <oDysseas> jason_: I dont think you can set a QT theme in GTK apps
[08:50] <jason_> oDysseas, you can in KDE 3.3.2
[08:50] <synd> __Rob: OS X running VPC running ubuntu?
[08:50] <dazed> hey whats the easiest way to share between MAC and linux?
[08:50] <refuze2looze> how can i get VLC to use esd to playback audio?
[08:50] <__Rob> synd: yes :)
[08:50] <ngd> dazed: nfs
[08:50] <ngd> dazed: or samba
[08:50] <nalioth> synd: aint it strange? he's having 'long duration install syndrome'
[08:50] <jeroen_> Amaranth, smeg complains about the version of python-xdg
[08:50] <synd> nalioth: haha.
[08:51] <Amaranth> jeroen_: use the installsmeg script
[08:51] <__Rob> well, ubuntu is the only thing which has been slow to install
[08:51] <synd> __Rob: why on earth would you want that? just for fun?
[08:51] <jason_> so, KDE 3.4 removed that option?
[08:51] <dazed> well im not a MAC man i hardly know how to get around on it...(all confusing) i have both smb and nfs setup on my nix comp hwo do i share on a mac comp its for my sister and she has no idea how to help me to share folders
[08:51] <Amaranth> jeroen_: or use backports
[08:51] <nalioth> dazed: share what?
[08:51] <__Rob> synd: i'm trying out ubuntu which i may install on an older machine once a replacement PSU arrives
[08:51] <dazed> my sister is trying to get songs of her friends computer (mac) and im using my laptop as a middlepoint (nix) to get the files
[08:52] <runedude> __Rob: no spare computers to steal PSU from? ;-)
[08:52] <synd> __Rob: why dont you just use a PPC live CD?
[08:52] <nalioth> __Rob: ppc ubuntu and x86 ubuntu are 'virtually' the same
[08:52] <stjepan> do you know any ubuntu flash videos?
[08:52] <shido> Xauthorization file
[08:52] <shido> where is that?
[08:52] <dr_willis> Os-X should have samba/WindowShares features.
[08:52] <shido> i ran startx as root once
[08:52] <__Rob> PPC ubuntu doesn't support my hardware
[08:52] <__Rob> (i.e. airport extreme)
[08:52] <shido> do i need to change it back to my normal user?
[08:52] <stjepan> do you know any ubuntu flash videos?
[08:52] <stjepan> no?
[08:52] <synd> __Rob: that's broadcom's fault
[08:52] <Davey> dr_willis: yup, it uses samba itself
[08:53] <Davey> __Rob: oops. Heh
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: I would have Ubuntu on my PPC as well only if it supported my AX card
[08:53] <__Rob> whos fault it is doesn't bother me.. the fact it wont work is what does
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: it does however support the wired config
[08:53] <dazed> so how do i share a folder or something like that on a mac comp is what im really asking i guess
[08:53] <slept> dazed, what is the "middlepoint" for ? I syour systers computer windows ?
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: it will probably never work
[08:53] <rob_lt> Does anyone here know anything about edonkey?  Is the last series of digits at the end of this link an md5sum?  ed2k://|file|top_nasamap_east.raw.bz2|379972653|7312437945BD47CCF0B2A0C3452D5836|/
[08:53] <nalioth> synd: i have ubuntu on my PPC nyah nyah nyah
[08:54] <__Rob> synd: which is why i'm trying out x86 ubuntu...
[08:54] <shido> ok I fixed it
[08:54] <dazed> slept: yes but i can transfer nix to windows because im farmilliar with both platforms just not frmailliar with mac
[08:54] <shido> .Xauthority was owned by root
[08:54] <DooMRunneR> how i change the soundserver in rythmbox?
[08:54] <synd> __Rob: well, why not try on an x86 machine?
[08:54] <nalioth> __Rob: APX is the only hardware not supported
[08:54] <rob_lt> specifically the<PHONE_NUMBER>BD47CCF0B2A0C3452D5836?  This is a legit download of a nasa satellite map.
[08:54] <__Rob> synd: broken PSU
[08:54] <synd> that may alleviate some problems
[08:54] <synd> nalioth: :p
[08:54] <nalioth> dazed: try this: http://fink.sourceforge.net
[08:55] <lizardking> Some can help me?
[08:55] <lizardking> or give me some advices?
[08:55] <synd> nalioth: what ppc do you use again?
[08:55] <jeroen_> lizardking, just ask
[08:55] <dazed> nalioth: thanks
[08:55] <lizardking> thanks
[08:55] <slept> dazed, mac windows communication works aswell  , I think you can copy to a shared folder on the windows system
[08:55] <DekaPink> Uh... Hey... Is there anyway to access the Ubuntu partition from Windows, just like it accesses the Windows partition? :3
[08:55] <lizardking> How many problem I will have if I decide to ugrade warty to Hoary?
[08:55] <lizardking> I have try to do it two times and the first time I had some problem with moving applications like XMMS and the second I had big problem with Xorg, his configuration and the Nvidia driver [that not work property in hoary]  (I have a wonderful configuration in warty)
[08:55] <lizardking> Moreover If I upgrade to Hoary when the synpatic/apt-get configures the applications like (GDM, Xorg etc..) is it better to leave my script or to make the installer overwrite new scripts??? (like Xorg.conf file or the GDM config)...
[08:56] <lizardking> I don't want to upgrade to hoary and to have black screen at the reboot...
[08:56] <lizardking> this is my question: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39107
[08:56] <synd> lizardking: thats some fast typing : D
[08:56] <nalioth> synd: iBook G3/600
[08:56] <lizardking> cpy and paste
[08:56] <lizardking> :D
[08:56] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39107 the links is this
[08:57] <synd> lizardking: just goto your sources.list and change all references of warty to hoary
[08:57] <DekaPink> Oooh, and something else I was curious about... Can each of the virtual desktops have a different background? :3
[08:57] <nalioth> DekaPink: i think there might be a ext reading proggy for win2k> but am not sure. would like to say not reliably
[08:57] <lizardking> all reference?
[08:57] <jason_> i needed to install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[08:57] <lizardking> ok ok
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> DekaPink: there are programs for it
[08:57] <jason_> that allows you to use qt themes for gtk apps
[08:57] <synd> lizardking: then apt-get update || apt-get upgrade
[08:57] <lizardking> ok
[08:57] <jason_> see http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25507.html
[08:57] <lizardking> but for the scripts?
[08:58] <DekaPink> nalioth: Thanks, I just wanted to check... I guess that means if I put things from the windows partition to Ubuntu, there's no way of getting 'em back there easily. :3
[08:58] <synd> nalioth: oh.. you dont have an AX card then, right?
[08:58] <magog> i cant install multi-disc installes, when it asks for the second disc i hit eject and it says drive is in use, even if i try unmounting it first
[08:58] <magog> what can i do
[08:58] <lizardking> That is when the isntaller says to me to overwrite or to leave my custom scripts inits which chocice?
[08:58] <lizardking> like xorg.conf
[08:58] <synd> leave em, i guess lizardking
[08:58] <nosilver4u> yay, i got dual-monitors going (for anyone that was here earlier when i was trying to figure it out)
[08:58] <synd> unless you wanna redo them
[08:59] <lizardking> I don't want to loose my confiuguration
[08:59] <jeroen_> lizardking, copy yours over to floppy/cd/whatever, then choose to overwrite
[08:59] <synd> nosilver4u: nice
[08:59] <lizardking> leav em = ???
[08:59] <synd> thats an even better idea
[08:59] <jeroen_> lizardking, copy them, than overwrite; if it goes wrong, you still have your old ones on medium
[08:59] <lizardking> Ok So U tell me to bckpu that scripts? in particular which? xorg.conf gdm.conf...
[09:00] <lizardking> ok and if that on medium goes BAD
[09:00] <runedude> Ubuntu Breezy works quite nicely.
[09:00] <jeroen_> lizardking, the ones you edited
[09:00] <runedude> ;)
[09:00] <synd> runedude: wait til they update : )
[09:00] <runedude> synd: lol
[09:00] <runedude> synd: ive had none of these issues
[09:00] <runedude> btw if breezy screws my settings up, can I downgrade to hoary?
[09:00] <synd> runedude: what issues?
[09:00] <lizardking> jeroen_, and if that I save are bad ??
[09:01] <egg> hi
[09:01] <runedude> synd: alot of people said id have problems with breezy
[09:01] <magog> does anyone have a solution for me?
[09:01] <jeroen_> lizardking, then you use the default ones
[09:01] <synd> runedude: well have yuou checked the /topic : )
[09:01] <runedude> erm nope
[09:01] <jeroen_> synd, noone does
[09:02] <lizardking> jeroen_, but in this cas I will loose my wonderful powerful warty configuration: that is nvidia dirver
[09:02] <runedude> synd: i always check topic on join , and saw the breezy thing, but theres nothing wrong with breezy.
[09:02] <synd> well it just erks me when people have questions and shit about breezy when the topic says to not use it.
[09:02] <_kurt> can anyone tell me how to make my softmodem work in ubuntu 5.04
[09:02] <synd> runedude: not you specifially
[09:02] <egg> ^^
[09:02] <magog> ok i guess nobody can give me a solution considering im being ignored
[09:02] <jeroen_> lizardking, then don't upgrade.. :/
[09:02] <jeroen_> lizardking, can't help you
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, I have a lot of fear to not return back to warty
[09:03] <lizardking> ^___^
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, U made an upgrade?
[09:03] <jeroen_> lizardking, I have never run warty
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, Do U know if nvidia driver for hoart y are now fixed?
[09:03] <egg> ^______________________________^
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, ok
[09:04] <jeroen_> lizardking, you can get them with synaptic so I guess... yes
[09:04] <jeroen_> don't use them, lizardking
[09:04] <jeroen_> magog, tell id
[09:04] <lizardking> jeroen_, Why?
[09:04] <magog> i cant install multi-disc installes, when it asks for the second disc i hit eject and it says drive is in use, even if i try unmounting it first
[09:04] <magog> thats my prob
[09:04] <jeroen_> lizardking, they're non-free, and I don't have a nvidia card
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, I understand perfectly
[09:05] <lizardking> ok thanks for help
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, However if i make update I advice me to overwrite All congifuration?
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, However if i make update you advice me to overwrite All congifuration?
[09:06] <magog> so im screwed"?
[09:06] <HappyFool> magog: what are you trying to install?
[09:06] <magog> ut2k4
[09:07] <jeroen_> What I'd do: Backup all my confs, and overwrite, lizardking
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, Thanks a lot :*
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, Very thanks
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, I'll do that
[09:07] <lizardking> BYE
[09:08] <mayco> allow me to say that the ubuntu bugzilla sucks... i can't report bugs with it since i need to fill in a component field that doesn't excists. also, after a mistake, (when you have to press back), you need to fill in everything again
[09:09] <HappyFool> magog: sorry, i don't know what's wrong
[09:09] <thoreauputic> magog: try typing "sudo eject /dev/cdrom "
[09:09] <lleberg_> magog: i had the same problem, a bit
[09:09] <magog> ok
[09:09] <magog> lleberg_, did you solve it?
[09:09] <lleberg_> magog: i could unmount it from the desktop ikon
[09:09] <magog> i cant
[09:09] <lleberg_> right click, and unmount
[09:09] <jeroen_> mayco, file a bug on it ;)
[09:09] <magog> it says in use
[09:09] <mayco> jeroen_, sure... erm, i can's :p
[09:10] <mayco> can't
[09:10] <jeroen_> mayco, mail the mailinglist
[09:10] <mayco> what group?
[09:10] <magog> brb imma start the install and pray it will work
[09:12] <magog> "device is busy" failes
[09:12] <magog> OMG
[09:12] <thoreauputic> magog: try  umount -l /dev/cdrom
[09:12] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about dri enabled in the kernel, and the X dri module loaded ?
[09:13] <magog> thoreauputic, ty ur a godsave
[09:13] <magog> worked
[09:13] <slept> does anyone know if apple adc membership is free of charge ? I would like to try darwin - I love the aqua style ?
[09:13] <_hp_> slept: not free at all
[09:13] <thoreauputic> magnon: it's called "lazy umount" - risky but here's hoping
[09:13] <slept> :(
[09:13] <_hp_> slept: you can get aqua themes online
[09:14] <BoD_SWAT> I'm in search of a FTP client with SSL support (also with encrypted file transfer). Does anyone know a good one?
[09:14] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: lftp
[09:14] <slept> _hp_,  it's the panel that makes me love it
[09:14] <poningru> guys question
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, do you also know if there is a GUI for it?
[09:15] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: probably not
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, do you know one with a GUI?
[09:15] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: I haven't used a gui ftp client for years
[09:15] <maswan> and never on a free operating system
[09:15] <oDysseas> BoD_SWAT: doesn't gftp support ssl?
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, why not? It makes it so much easier
[09:16] <BoD_SWAT> oDysseas, gFTP doens't support encrypted file transfers
[09:16] <poningru> how do you put some running program out of the panel and into the icon area
[09:16] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: it does? gui means lots of annoying and inconvenient pointing and clicking with the mouse
[09:16] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: once you are used to cli, GUI is often slower
[09:17] <mock> Hey, anybody here using hoary hedthog in german language?
[09:17] <lleberg_> when i installed this system, i used a 3button scrollmouse
[09:17] <jeroen_> mock, #ubuntu-de
[09:17] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how do i uninstall packages with apt-get?
[09:17] <chrissturm> apt-get remove
[09:17] <jeroen_> mock, /join #ubuntu-de
[09:17] <mock> thx
[09:17] <lleberg_> but, after that, i changed to my wireless with like 5 buttons
[09:17] <lleberg_> but running the same settings yet
[09:17] <slept> TheZanke[Ubuntu] , apt-get --help
[09:17] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : sudo apt-get remove <package>
[09:17] <magog> ok i got the second cd in but it doesent recognize it when i click ok
[09:17] <magog> grrrrr
[09:18] <lleberg_> how do i set it to use al the buttons?
[09:18] <magog> ive mounted it to
[09:18] <jeroen_> lleberg_, I have a 5 button mouse aswell, haven't configured it though, because I think the extra buttons suck
[09:18] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, thoreauputic, I already know of the 'power' that the command line holds, yet (at this time) selecting certain files for copying/etc  is a lot easier for me with a GUI
[09:18] <jeroen_> BoD_SWAT, it is
[09:19] <Quest-Master> Is it possible to downgrade your packages?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: the only way to learn is to immerse yourself in the CLI and use it - it's well worth the effort
[09:19] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: having said that, a simple drag-and-drop is often convenient
[09:20] <Vixus> Can I downgrade something I apt-got?
[09:20] <BoD_SWAT> hmmm... I've got some learning to do then ;-)
[09:20] <Vixus> like WINE for instance?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT:  tuxfiles.org is a good starting point
[09:21] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, thnx :-)
[09:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, it is possible yes.. search google or the wiki for 'downgrade apt-get pinning' i guess
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, not at all fool-proof though
[09:21] <Vixus> :p
[09:21] <Vixus> wine broke when i upgraded
[09:21] <Vixus> get some error about debugging
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, the system was not designed for downgrades, so prepare for some breaking :)
[09:22] <wdh> Vixus, what version did you upgrade to?
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> what cli-program can I use to get as much info as possible from an image file?
[09:22] <Vixus> Well, then I wish upgrades worked.
[09:22] <DekaPink> Anyone know what's with the ?
[09:22] <wdh> hoary or breezy?
[09:22] <Vixus> hoary
[09:22] <lleberg_> Uhm, how do i get gaim to flash or something when someone writes to me?
[09:22] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: Guifications
[09:22] <wdh> Vixus, so the last version of hoary breaks for you?
[09:22] <refuze2looze> is there a bash command that checks if a program is running?
[09:22] <Vixus> no, wine
[09:22] <Vixus> not hoary
[09:22] <lleberg_> Quest-Master: But where?
[09:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I enable dri?
[09:23] <Quest-Master> wdh: I have an older version of Wine, and a program works with it but it doesn't work on Vixus's and he's got pretty much the same conditions on his system as me
[09:23] <linukso>  Hi! Does anyone know of a program that can edit exif info?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> refuze2looze: ps aux | grep programname
[09:23] <Vixus> lleberg_: guifications.sf.net
[09:23] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: Search for it on Google.. the main site has .deb's
[09:23] <Quest-Master> ;)
[09:23] <thoreauputic> refuze2looze: or pgrep programname
[09:23] <wdh> Vixus, of course you could just uninstall and reinstall wine
[09:24] <wdh> Vixus, 'apt-get remove --purge wine'
[09:24] <Vixus> Quest-Master: It doesn't have .debs
[09:24] <Quest-Master> Vixus: it does for the old versions
[09:24] <lleberg_> But what is this guifictions? :P
[09:24] <oDysseas> is there a way to install 32bit firefox in ubuntu amd64? I need flash
[09:24] <jeroen_> lleberg_, read the site, click on "guifications"
[09:24] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: enables MSN-like notifications for Gaim.
[09:24] <Vixus> lleberg_: Just see the site.
[09:25] <lleberg_> ok ok :P
[09:25] <jeroen_> Quest-Master, so it's like amsn? :p
[09:25] <Quest-Master> jeroen_: .. no.. :P
[09:25] <BoD_SWAT> ROFL! lFTP gives me "pget: Access failed: 521 Data connections must be encrypted."
[09:25] <Vixus> wdh: I'll try that
[09:26] <Vixus> same error wdh
[09:26] <Vixus> Not fixed... :[
[09:26] <lleberg_> there are a few downloading alternatives..
[09:26] <monolive> anyone familiar with ubuntu bounties
[09:27] <lleberg_> windows, fedora, mandrake redhat and source :P
[09:27] <lleberg_> but no debian or ubuntu :P
[09:28] <Anubis> are you under 100 procs?
[09:28] <Vixus> Quest-Master: Sorry, looks like it refuses to wrok.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: try lftp
[09:29] <thoreauputic> >    set ftp:ssl-force true
[09:30] <thoreauputic> then connect and login. of course...
[09:31] <refuze2looze> thoreauputic: i was thinking more of a command that returns a boolean value (for a script)
[09:31] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, that was lftp
[09:33] <jeroen_> Is there a decent hearts game for linux? I can't find one
[09:36] <jeroen_> Is there a decent hearts game for linux? I can't find one
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: The guifications are in the universe.. You know that, right?
[09:38] <lleberg_> i tried it but it didn't want to
[09:38] <thoreauputic> ! seen bystander
[09:38] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Wish i knew
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: How so?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> hrmph
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: I'm using it right now. works fine.
[09:38] <lleberg_> shawarma: it can't find any package named guifications
[09:39] <jeroen_> shawarma, he's using 64 (correct, lleberg_ ?)
[09:40] <lleberg_> I am
[09:40] <shawarma> lleberg_: It's called gaim-guifications
[09:41] <lleberg_> shawarma: Oh
[09:41] <lleberg_> and it is just to  start gaim and it should be there?
[09:42] <kengur> hello, anyone leeching from mp3 servers on irc?
[09:42] <nosilver4u> any ideas on how to resolve a conflict with libxt6 in breezy?
[09:42] <shawarma> lleberg_: You have to enable the plugin in the configuration, but yes.
[09:44] <nosilver4u> it tells me to run 'apt-get -f install'
[09:44] <nosilver4u> which tries to force the install, i believe, but it gives an error because there is a file that exists in another package
[09:44] <lleberg_> nosilver4u: why are you running breezy? :)
[09:45] <nosilver4u> nm, it's a fix-broken flag, not force
[09:45] <nosilver4u> cause they froze mono, and i'm a glutton for punishment
[09:45] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: try to install xbase-clients -20
[09:46] <chrissturm> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_6.8.2-20_i386.deb
[09:47] <nosilver4u> ok, i'll try that
[09:47] <chrissturm> whats your exact error message?
[09:48] <nosilver4u> it won't let me do that, says there are 'dependency problems'
[09:49] <chrissturm> i'm not sure what problem you have. there are a lot of possible problems with breezy
[09:49] <nosilver4u> trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xscreensaver
[09:49] <nosilver4u> that's the error
[09:49] <chrissturm> oh, that one
[09:49] <nosilver4u> you've seen it?
[09:49] <oDysseas> anybody knows how to change the display picture on gaim for an msn account?
[09:50] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/<package>
[09:50] <chrissturm> you should have the exact filename at the end of the error message
[09:50] <nosilver4u> oDysseas: right click on the gaim icon, and go to Accounts, Edit the MSN account, and choose your buddy icon there
[09:50] <oDysseas> thanks nosilver4u
[09:51] <nosilver4u> ok, i'll try it
[09:51] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, is anyone else getting glacial transfer speeds with USB mass storage devices? both my flashdrive and my camera transfer at maybe 1 MB/min
[09:51] <we2by> any one has dual cpu running?
[09:51] <pauldaoust> whereas I figure I should be getting 1 MB/sec
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> how do I ignore a dependencie
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> so I can install a .deb
[09:52] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: doenst make much sense.
[09:52] <nosilver4u> it complains about dependencies still
[09:52] <oDysseas> nosilver4u: I cant find the option to change the buddy icon, do I need a plugin or something?
[09:52] <nosilver4u> when i try that
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> how do I force it it to install
[09:53] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:53] <nosilver4u> i don't think it requires a plugin
[09:54] <nosilver4u> what if i do a apt-get -f --force-overwrite install?
[09:54] <chrissturm> no need to
[09:54] <spanglesontoast> mean't with dpkg
[09:54] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, dpkg --help to see
[09:55] <nosilver4u> i've tried it though
[09:55] <nosilver4u> that's when i get that first error message
[09:55] <chrissturm> did you try again after the dpkg -i ?
[09:55] <nosilver4u> woah
[09:55] <spanglesontoast>  xlibmesa-gl I want it to install
[09:55] <spanglesontoast> and ignore that
[09:55] <narkone> #ubuntu-es
[09:56] <transgress> perhaps dpkg -i --force package.deb?
[09:56] <nosilver4u> it worked, and i have no idea why
[09:56] <chrissturm> i do
[09:56] <nosilver4u> care to expound?
[09:56] <narkone> what is the spanish chanel?
[09:56] <jeroen_> narkone, #ubuntu-es I think
[09:56] <chrissturm> dpkg complianed about a missing dependency, but maked the package to be installed
[09:56] <narkone> ok
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> I want to install the driver from ati
[09:56] <pauldaoust> THAT IS BIZARRE
[09:56] <narkone> thanks
[09:56] <jeroen_> narkone, yes it is, I'm sure
[09:56] <chrissturm> nosilver4u : and the apt-get installed the dependencies
[09:56] <narkone> yes
[09:56] <transgress> i have that happen all the time
[09:57] <narkone> it is
[09:57] <narkone> bye
[09:57] <nosilver4u> beauty
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> and I already no theres one in the repos
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> but I want to try the ati one
[09:57] <nosilver4u> thanks a bunch
[09:57] <chrissturm> np :)
[09:57] <pauldaoust> I figured out the problem with my flashdrives... apparently gpilotd was thinking my flashdrive was a USB Palm device of some sort and trying to access it, thus getting in the way of any program that was trying to copy files. WEIRD.
[09:58] <ahluka> so does ubuntu have any problems setting up ethernet? ive got a via rhine II
[09:58] <spanglesontoast> how do I specify dpkg to ignore dependency?
[09:58] <jeroen_> ahluka, ethernet works fine here
[09:58] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: you probably want to do something else
[09:58] <ahluka> so it's not as bitchy as gentoo?
[09:58] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, read the output of dpkg --help
[09:58] <ahluka> thank god!!
[09:59] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: what package do you want to install?
[09:59] <ivan_> hi everyone!
[09:59] <spanglesontoast> fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[10:00] <ivan_> jeroen_: waves?
[10:01] <ivan_> anyone here from mexico? hay alguien de mexico aqui?
[10:01] <sidnei> hello
[10:01] <poningru> guys what is that area in the panel where the clock, volume icon etc. is placed called?
[10:01] <poningru> what is that area called?
[10:02] <phanter> hello. I would like to set my server so I can log in on it and it can send mail via the ISP (some of my mails from my laptop are rejected becouse it is not from a ISP). How can I do this, I do not know where to begin?
[10:02] <oDysseas> notification area
[10:02] <sidnei> anyone knows if suspend-to-disk works on older powerbooks (pismo)
[10:02] <poningru> ah
[10:02] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: breezy?
[10:02] <poningru> how do you add a running program to that area?
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> hoary
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> actually
[10:02] <chrissturm> where did you get that deb from?
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> from ati's site
[10:02] <oDysseas> poningru: the program must support it
[10:02] <poningru> xchat
[10:03] <oDysseas> dont think it supports it
[10:03] <poningru> really?
[10:03] <carthik> poningru, the program should support it
[10:03] <poningru> ok nm then thank you
[10:03] <jeroen_> poningru, some programs have a "traydock" plugin or something like that - amsn has one
[10:04] <poningru> I will probably search around for it
[10:04] <poningru> thanks guys
[10:04] <poningru> phanter: what exactly do you want to do?
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> ?
[10:04] <poningru> send email through your server?
[10:05] <bene> hihi
[10:05] <bene> can someone telle me where i find cedega
[10:05] <bene> to play cs on a linux pc
[10:05] <glyne> hello all , i need help please
[10:05] <jeroen_> glyne, as the topic says: just ask! :)
[10:05] <oDysseas> bene: transgaming.com, you've got to pay for it though
[10:06] <bene> omg i don 't want to pay
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> or you can grab the cvs
[10:06] <glyne> i got this error : /etc/X11/X is not an executable
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> cvs you can compile
[10:06] <glyne> how can i fix it?
[10:06] <phanter> poningru, I want to send my mail via my ISP. But I have a laptop and changing ISP's all the time. I want to use my server so I can always send my mails via the same path and still using the ISP
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> the only thing I reckon you are paying for is the gui
[10:07] <poningru> phanter: what email program do you use?
[10:07] <poningru> because you may not have to do all of this complicated stuff if you use thunderbird
[10:07] <phanter> poningru, I use thunderbird
[10:07] <phanter> oke, how can I do that?
[10:08] <poningru> all you have to do is put in your ISPs smtp server
[10:08] <poningru> phanter: do you know how to do that or am I misunderstanding you?
[10:08] <phanter> poningru, yes, but my ISP only accepts mail if it sended from within it own network. So if I am at uni (i am at 2 uni's) or at my parents place (every weekend) my mail does not work anymore
[10:09] <poningru> ah ic
[10:09] <phanter> poningru, ic ?
[10:09] <poningru> I see
[10:09] <jeroen_> phanter, sudo apt-get install bsd-games && wtf is ic
[10:10] <poningru> yeah all I can think of is VPN in to your server and then send through that
[10:10] <poningru> but no clue how to do that
[10:10] <jeroen_> phanter, sudo apt-get install bsdgames && wtf is ic
[10:10] <phanter> poningru, hmm to bad :(. I'll look further than.
[10:10] <phanter> jeroen_, annoy somebody else please
[10:11] <poningru> hold on I am sure this is covered in the wiki
[10:11] <poningru> look for setting up email through vpn or something similar
[10:11] <phanter> poningru, oke... in the ubuntu wiki? I'll start looking ...
[10:12] <poningru> yeah
[10:14] <TJORVEN> whats the fdisk command to see all partitions??
[10:14] <jeroen_> TJORVEN, find out with help
[10:15] <spanglesontoast> is it safe to install xfree86?
[10:15] <chrissturm> no
[10:15] <TJORVEN> jeroen_, yes but it says -l but its not workin
[10:15] <spanglesontoast> why not?
[10:15] <jeroen_> TJORVEN, specify the disk (hda,hdb,hdc etc)
[10:15] <chrissturm> hoary is xorg
[10:15] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: look here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[10:16] <TJORVEN> jeroen_, will try
[10:16] <poningru> phanter: hmm I cant seem to find any on how to send email over vpn
[10:17] <poningru> also another problem maybe that the uni may not allow vpn
[10:17] <poningru> so you may wanna find that out before trying this
[10:17] <spanglesontoast> ty
[10:18] <spanglesontoast> sleepy time
[10:20] <phanter> poningru, I think they do allow vpn. but I am not 100% sur
[10:21] <phanter> poningru, indeed. good idea. Thanks
[10:21] <poningru> yep np
[10:21] <poningru> sorry couldnt be of more help
[10:24] <TJORVEN> how do i copy a whole directory in teminal?
[10:24] <danko123456> copy or move?
[10:24] <TJORVEN> copy
[10:24] <carthik> TJORVEN, cp -r foo bar will copy dir foo to dir bar, and all the files in dir foo...
[10:24] <poningru> cp
[10:25] <carthik> -r == recursive
[10:25] <TJORVEN> carthic, thanks
[10:25] <shinu> if i chmod a-x to some files, is there any way for them to get the x attribute back by itself?
[10:25] <danko123456> not necessarily.
[10:25] <shinu> those files are on my http server
[10:26] <katie> hi people
[10:26] <nosilver4u> chrissturm: now i got a better error for ya
[10:26] <katie> does everyone use ubuntu?
[10:27] <afrosheen> nope
[10:27] <katie> oh ok
[10:27] <afrosheen> kubuntu here
[10:27] <katie> oh
[10:27] <katie> cool
[10:27] <katie> i use the same
[10:27] <ablyss> ubuntu here
[10:27] <afrosheen> it comes with an extra K
[10:27] <katie> i use the same lol
[10:27] <ablyss> w/ xfce
[10:27] <nosilver4u> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[10:27] <katie> but its a bit hard to do lol
[10:27] <nosilver4u> that's when i went to finish my dist-upgrade on breezy
[10:27] <katie> i find problems on it
[10:27] <bene> can somebody tell me how to install something on linux
[10:27] <bene> like cedega
[10:28] <danko123456> #cedega prolly can.
[10:28] <nosilver4u> it has 2 packages left, xbase-clients & x-window-system-core
[10:28] <ablyss> readme_install_howto.txt
[10:28] <ablyss> try there.. works for everytime
[10:28] <ablyss> for *me*
[10:28] <katie> i dunno how you people know all this any how lol
[10:29] <katie> i dont know nothing about kubuntu lol :((
[10:29] <ablyss> we all work for Holdiay Inn
[10:29] <katie> ohh ok
[10:29] <ablyss> oops Holiday*
[10:29] <katie> whats that though? lol
[10:29] <TJORVEN> should i write cp -r directorynamefullpath bar fulltargetdirectory?
[10:29] <ablyss> it's a joke. tv commerical joke
[10:30] <katie> oh so you write jokes then?
[10:30] <katie> or do jokes?
[10:30] <afrosheen> lol
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, what is "bar"
[10:30] <afrosheen> he's a sit-down comedia
[10:30] <TJORVEN> dunno
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, you typed it...
[10:30] <katie> im sure he is
[10:30] <katie> arnt we all...
[10:30] <danko123456> ah...no, but I stayed at the hioliday inn last night type of thing, ablyss? :)
[10:30] <ablyss> i tend to try to do jokes but end getting stared at like im an alien speaking a different language
[10:30] <TJORVEN> you did too
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, cp -r /home/carthik/foo /home/carthik/bar/star/bucks/
[10:31] <katie> so who really talks in here?
[10:31] <carthik> TJORVEN, oh, that! bar is just a name I chose for a directory
[10:31] <katie> i hardly see anyone else typing....lol
[10:31] <danko123456> katie: we know how to do things cause we use linux, some know more cause they have been using it longer. You learn while using iut the best, especially the distro specific things.
[10:32] <TJORVEN> ok
[10:32] <carthik> katie, everyone is, you dont have enough karma to read everything yet :)
[10:32] <katie> oh
[10:32] <ablyss> the past week or so that i've been in this chat I've accidently left my auto-ignore script on... i been missng have the chat
[10:32] <TJORVEN> will try again
[10:32] <ablyss> have/half
[10:32] <katie> whats a karma?
[10:32] <carthik> katie, sort of like good-credit
[10:32] <katie> oh
[10:32] <carthik> but I was kidding
[10:32] <afrosheen> everyone's looking at natalie portman pictures right now
[10:32] <bene> i wanna play cs on ubuntu
[10:32] <katie> well ha ha...
[10:33] <afrosheen> bene: runs in wine, dunno about cs:source
[10:33] <envel> Has anybody the song "The day you went away" (M2m)?
[10:33] <bene> cs 1.6
[10:33] <martinhj> I tried a debootstrap breezy in hoary but got access denied on chroot /mnt/breezy mount -t proc proc /proc (acctually on mount and every other binary I downloaded) - is it because of the libc-version the breezy packages are built against does not match the libc-version I'm currently running in hoary?
[10:33] <goldfish> bene: I've done it.
[10:33] <afrosheen> bene: hit google, there are a million howtos
[10:33] <danko123456> katie: you know why we are not typing...we have come to the conclusion that in order to get most help to people that need it, we need to type only when we know how to fix, or contribute to fixing someone';s problem, otherwise it scrolls off the screen.
[10:33] <katie> so basically i have looooads to learn then on here :(( lol
[10:33] <afrosheen> counter strike wine debian would probably be a good search string
[10:34] <katie> oh
[10:34] <carthik> katie, not really - it is simple, and there is a pattern to everything :)
[10:34] <ablyss> my best advice for any new ubuntu user is to install webmin and every module possible and learn how the modles work
[10:34] <katie> oh good :)
[10:34] <katie> yey
[10:35] <ablyss> webmin makes using linux a lot easier for those of us who dont know their way around linux
[10:35] <katie> how do you message people on this thing if you wanna talk in private?
[10:35] <ablyss> type '/notice <nick>
[10:35] <katie> say if you wanna message without the red text on here....
[10:35] <carthik> katie, you ask the person, and then "/msg <nick> <message>
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> katie: /query nick
[10:35] <ablyss> er, /notice nickname message
[10:36] <carthik> like /msg katie hi
[10:36] <carthik> katie must have got a hi from me now
[10:36] <katie> umm yeah...
[10:36] <katie> so say for example...
[10:37] <katie> lol yay
[10:37] <ablyss> hmm
[10:37] <katie> :)
[10:38] <katie> yay
[10:38] <jeroen_> ablyss, what's so good about webmin?
[10:39] <katie> or...
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> what was that program for windows that burns dvd's, free and all?
[10:39] <ablyss> jeroen_, i find it very useful for configuring linux especially since I dont know my way around linux
[10:39] <Rayen16> hi, what are Ubuntu's system requirements to run X on it ?
[10:40] <synd> how do i add skins to xmms
[10:40] <katie> yay
[10:40] <jeroen_> synd, download them and put them in the skins directory (I think it's ~/.xmms)
[10:40] <katie> lol
[10:40] <jeroen_> synd, ~/.xmms/Skins
[10:40] <TJORVEN> thanks for all help carthik really......
[10:40] <synd> jeroen_, thanks. i got the .wsz file already.. just didnt know where to putit
[10:40] <katie> yay i done it so far :)
[10:40] <ablyss> download winamp classic skins
[10:41] <nutorian> How do you change your user passwd?
[10:41] <katie> hmm...heres another question....
[10:42] <katie> how do you change colour on here..?
[10:42] <nutorian> How do you change your user passwd?
[10:42] <jeroen_> nutorian, system -> administration -> users and groups
[10:42] <katie> lol
[10:42] <katie> shh laddies first....hehe
[10:42] <goldfish> katie: colour on where?
[10:42] <katie> on here
[10:42] <goldfish> nutorian: run 'passwd'
[10:43] <goldfish> katie: em, irc? :)
[10:43] <katie> umm
[10:43] <katie> how..?
[10:43] <goldfish> heh
[10:43] <Rayen16> she probably means xchat
[10:43] <katie> irc?
[10:43] <goldfish> what client are you using?
[10:43] <katie> huh..
[10:43] <jeroen_> katie, you mean in this chat?
[10:43] <Rayen16> hahahaha
[10:43] <katie> i dunno lol
[10:43] <katie> :(
[10:43] <Rayen16> LOL
[10:44] <goldfish> hehe
[10:44] <goldfish> katie: this is irc :)
[10:44] <brum> so who uses what irc clients?
[10:44] <goldfish> chat like.
[10:44] <Rayen16> hi, what are Ubuntu's system requirements to run X on it ?
[10:44] <goldfish> I use irssi.
[10:44] <linukso> irssi
[10:44] <Fator_Dee> irssi
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> :-o
[10:45] <goldfish> Chatzilla is ugly :/
[10:45] <brum> i agree
[10:45] <linukso> mIRC?! in wine?
[10:45] <goldfish> lol
[10:45] <katie> yay
[10:45] <brum> lol
[10:45] <Rayen16> linukso no, try again!
[10:45] <nutorian> How do you install Cedega from source?
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> nutorian: you compile it
[10:46] <mendoza> hi all, I tried to download some torrent files using gtorrent, but I only get *.exe files, anyone knows why?
[10:46] <linukso> nutorian: download the source, unpack it and read the install instructions
[10:46] <Rayen16> linukso: why would I emulate a program if I could use an alternative program which can do the exact same thing
[10:46] <jeroen_> mendoza, because you downloaded the torrent of an exe?
[10:46] <Rayen16> i'm off
[10:47] <Fator_Dee> nutorian: read the readme file
[10:47] <mendoza> normally not, I tried one music file and one movie
[10:47] <linukso> mendoza: evil people use selfextraction arcives to give you spyware...
[10:47] <katie> i know...random question....but how old are you people anyway? if you dont mind me asking...
[10:47] <katie> just curious....
[10:47] <gverig> Can somebody please point me to a good article on Window Managers? KDE and GNOME and desktops. KDE has kwm, GNOME has ... (?). Can KDE be used with a different manager or will is not be KDE any longer? Same for GNOME. What is the difference between WMs? Within GNOME you can customize panels and window dressings. What is different about different WMs besides what can be controlled by themes?
[10:47] <goldfish> katie: 19
[10:47] <katie> oh my...and you people know about all this already..?
[10:47] <mendoza> I see, so there is no way to get it back?
[10:47] <brum> much like BitchX
[10:48] <danko123456> 22
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: im just learning
[10:48] <katie> awww
[10:48] <Fator_Dee> 19 in two days :-|
[10:48] <katie> im learning to!
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: i've chatted to 13 year olds on here who have built their own computers :)
[10:48] <katie> but im going pretty slow at it :(
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: same here... how old are you?
[10:48] <katie> my bro builds his own computer :)
[10:48] <goldfish> At least your tryng to learn.
[10:48] <katie> im 11!
[10:48] <katie> no...im joking...
[10:48] <jeroen_> katie, 14
[10:48] <brum> and FBI
[10:49] <brum> ;)
[10:49] <jeroen_> goldfish, I built my own computer last year :)
[10:49] <katie> im 20....
[10:49] <goldfish> jeroen_: I would if i had the money...
[10:49] <danko123456> and your name is not katie, right...
[10:49] <linukso> gverig: your asking a big question :)
[10:49] <brum> probably kevin
[10:49] <katie> it is katie.....what you think my name is?
[10:49] <gverig> linukso: I know. I am big...
[10:50] <gverig> linukso: I tried RTFM but can't find much
[10:50] <goldfish> gverig: fluxbox is cool
[10:50] <linukso> gverig: but this is a gret site: http://xwinman.org/
[10:51] <gverig> linukso: I understand what GNOME and KDE are (I think). They include libraries for interfacing with X (Qt and GTK) and sets of tools (like arts vs. ESD, etc)
[10:51] <linukso> gverig: gives you an overview of most wm available for X.
[10:51] <gverig> linukso: I found this one. It does not answer my question though, what is the difference? I mean there are screenshots...
[10:52] <Chain> hey.. I have xchat 2.4.3 and I cant seem to get a perl.so  does anyone know where I can download this file?
[10:52] <gverig> linukso: And there are themes for each WM (that don't work on other WMs)
[10:52] <gverig> Chain: With Perl maybe?
[10:53] <linukso> gverig: most wm's have their own unike themes
[10:53] <gverig> linukso: Right. But do I choose WM just by the themes I like?!
[10:53] <jeroen_> katie, though you were joking, my sister is 11 year old and she uses Ubuntu.. :)
[10:53] <linukso> gverig: but *box wm's are (sometimes) compatible
[10:53] <gverig> That don't sound right...
[10:53] <Chain> I have perl.. but I have searched my whole harddrive and nothing comes up perl.so.. I have tried the perl.so that goes with gaim but it dosent work and other .so files
[10:53] <katie> oh ok cool
[10:53] <Chain> I need the perl.so and I cant find it
[10:54] <Chain> it should be in my /usr/lib/xchat/plugins folder but its not there
[10:54] <jeroen_> Chain, I have it there
[10:54] <linukso> Chain: stupid quiestion: why do you need perl.so
[10:54] <Chain> the folder is empty.. I uninstalled and reinstalled and I have the same problem
[10:54] <Chain> to run a script
[10:54] <Chain> perl based*
[10:54] <linukso> Chain: ok
[10:55] <linukso> Chain: which version of gaim are you running?
[10:55] <gverig> Chain: Weird... Do you install it from an a package?
[10:55] <katie> how many versions of gaim does it have?
[10:55] <katie> i only use the 1
[10:56] <goldfish> katie: there is only one gaim, but it has different versions like, you know.. updated verisons...
[10:56] <linukso> gverig: you can use gnome or kde with different wm's, if you really want to...
[10:56] <imsdle> how do you install an RPM in ubuntu
[10:56] <linukso> imsdle: you dont...
[10:56] <jeroen_> imsdle, you use alien
[10:56] <goldfish> imsdle: alien blah.rmp
[10:56] <goldfish> *rpm
[10:56] <katie> oh
[10:56] <gverig> linukso: I got that. What I don't understand is why would I want to :) Just for themes?
[10:57] <ablyss> going fish you all have fun
[10:57] <goldfish> will give u a .deb
[10:57] <katie> like aMSN?
[10:57] <jeroen_> gverig, performance
[10:57] <jeroen_> katie, aMSN is different
[10:57] <katie> where do you get aMSN?
[10:57] <katie> you people really need to help me lol
[10:57] <jeroen_> katie, you can install it with synaptic package manager
[10:57] <gverig> jeroen_: Which ones are faster, why, where can I read about that?
[10:57] <LinuxJones> imsdle, what are you trying to install it may be already available for doanload via the Ubuntu repositories ?
[10:57] <runedude> katie: www.google.com/search?q=amsn
[10:57] <katie> i think its gonna take days for me to learn lol
[10:57] <danko123456> !install
[10:57] <ubotu> danko123456: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:57] <jeroen_> gverig, I don't have a freaking idea ;)
[10:57] <goldfish> katie: open up synaptic and search for it
[10:57] <gverig> BTW, how do I find out which WM I am running now ? :)
[10:58] <linukso> gverig: Ok, some want themes, some want features, some want to be cool.... many reasons to switch wm.
[10:58] <linukso> gverig: kde =kwin, gnome=metacit
[10:58] <katie> how can you view webcams on linux?
[10:58] <linukso> metacity
[10:58] <imsdle> i want to load the sun java engine so I can access oracle 10g.. jinitator isn't available in linux so i downloaded the rpm
[10:58] <katie> is there such a way?
[10:58] <jeroen_> gverig, applications -> system tools -> System monitor; see if you have metacity
[10:58] <jeroen_> katie, the next version of amsn will have it
[10:58] <LinuxJones> imsdle, ahh
[10:58] <gverig> linukso: I don't think I want themes. What features are different?
[10:58] <katie> oh ok....
[10:59] <katie> how can you download java?
[10:59] <katie> on linux
[10:59] <imsdle> so now im stuck... :P
[10:59] <katie> it dont work for me...
[10:59] <brum> http://java.sun.com
[10:59] <jeroen_> katie, I have downloaded a test version (but it doesn't really work very well, because it's not finished yet) of amsn, and it has webcam support
[10:59] <linukso> imsdle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:59] <gverig> jeroen_: Ohh... I understood what you meant after I found it :) `ps` would do ;)
[10:59] <LinuxJones> katie, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:59] <linukso> imsdle: follow the instructions...
[11:00] <imsdle> thanks guyus
[11:00] <imsdle> guys.. and gals.. you rock
[11:01] <katie> i cant find it...
[11:01] <katie> of that site someone gave me
[11:01] <gverig> jeroen_: And how do you change them?
[11:01] <jeroen_> I think it's somewhere in "session" not sure though
[11:01] <katie> oh i dunno....i give up lol :(
[11:02] <katie> but thanks guys..!!
[11:02] <linukso> gverig: unless you have a reason to swich wm, I wouldn't bother...
[11:02] <katie> right i must be off....thats again :) and sorry if i was pm'ing everyone with out asking...
[11:02] <danko123456> katie: dont giev up:) what are you tying to do?
[11:02] <jeroen_> bye!
[11:03] <katie> um
[11:03] <gverig> linukso: Well, I want to understand what I am working with
[11:03] <jeroen_> danko123456, java
[11:03] <katie> i was trying to download java
[11:03] <runedude> katie: apt-get install java
[11:03] <runedude> :)
[11:03] <monchy> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:03] <jeroen_> runedude, negative
[11:03] <Th4tBa5t4rd> call me a n00b, but I just finished installing Ubuntu for the 3rd time in one week. But my separate partion for media files that i made is under /Media in Nautilus... right?
[11:03] <runedude> oh
[11:03] <runedude> ^.^
[11:03] <runedude> what monchy said
[11:03] <danko123456> katie, would you like a long command to install it?
[11:03] <Stinkywrix> how do I get my games to start without using the launcher? I'm using the latest version of Cedega and Point2Play
[11:03] <LinuxJones> gverig, you can select a different wm using gnome-wm check the man page for more details :)
[11:03] <katie> i dunno lol
[11:03] <katie> im confused already :(
[11:03] <gverig> linukso: Despite sounding like a complete newb I do have some exp and I want to have more
[11:04] <gverig> LinuxJones: Thanks!
[11:04] <LinuxJones> gverig, ;)
[11:04] <danko123456> katie, please go to java.sun.com and download a 1.5 JRE for linux, a .bin file.
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> Th4tBa5t4rd: well, if you made that partition, then ues
[11:05] <Th4tBa5t4rd> Fator_Dee> Thanks
[11:06] <katie> why does it say to register?
[11:06] <jeroen_> katie, because it's lame?
[11:06] <katie> why do you have to register to download something?
[11:06] <danko123456> it shouldnt, I dont think anyhow. Try the download links on the right.
[11:06] <katie> lol
[11:06] <katie> i did
[11:06] <jeroen_> katie, it wants your password, emailaddress, socail security number, etc I think
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> katie: are you trying to install java on your system?
[11:07] <Th4tBa5t4rd> now all i have to do is figure out how to install the stupid nvidia drivers and such and i will be happy for today
[11:07] <katie> yeah...
[11:07] <katie> and funny jeroen
[11:07] <jeroen_> Th4tBa5t4rd, it's in the wiki
[11:07] <danko123456> ok, katie, Ill get you a link for part of the way, the thing is they dont allow links all the way to the file you need.
[11:07] <jeroen_> katie, :)
[11:07] <Stinkywrix> its in the wiki
[11:07] <katie> lol
[11:07] <katie> ok thanks dankol
[11:08] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah, i tried that and couldn't figure it out...it won't make me quit this time though
[11:08] <gverig> LinuxJones: Maybe you can answer my previous questions then? Why would I want to change WM? What is the difference, other then different themes available)?
[11:08] <nalioth> katie: its smooth as butta (on a x86)
[11:08] <nalioth> gverig: different WMs use different amounts of CPU cycles
[11:08] <katie> whats smooth?
[11:09] <katie> my skin i know it is...heheh
[11:09] <nalioth> gverig: for instance, you wouldnt want to run kde on a pentium 233, but other WMs use less cpu
[11:09] <katie> lol'
[11:09] <danko123456> what you want us to know your skin is smooth?
[11:09] <nalioth> katie: installing java on x86 is smooth as butta (if ya follow the inst)
[11:09] <gverig> nalioth: OK. Why? I mean probably they do different things (different features). What is the difference?
[11:09] <Ubuntian> i like to know that
[11:09] <Stinkywrix> how do I get my games to start without using the launcher? I'm using the latest version of Cedega and Point2Play
[11:09] <nalioth> gverig: that is a question i'm not prepared to answer, as i only use KDE and gnome
[11:09] <katie> no not really nalioth lol
[11:10] <danko123456> katie: this is a link, http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp you need to hit the link  Download JRE 5.0 Update 3 the third in the list, then select accept, and hit the continue button. hit Linux self-extracting file       (jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin,        15.80 MB) in the next page, that is the fiel you need, tell me where you download, and tell me once it is downloaded.
[11:10] <abisen> what tools should i use to burn DVD's out of my avi and divx files
[11:10] <abisen> in ubuntu
[11:10] <nalioth> Stinkywrix: command line?
[11:10] <Stinkywrix> ...dur...
[11:10] <nalioth> abisen: i use k3b. gnomebaker and graveman are also burning tools
[11:10] <jeroen_> gverig, they don't have to do different things, you know, like there are multiple chat apps and browsers
[11:10] <katie> oh ok...
[11:10] <gverig> nalioth: But what you said means either that KDE is bad-written (or bad-designed) or it has wider functionality (or both)...
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> abisen: I's suggest mkdvd http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/mkdvd.html
[11:11] <linukso> gverig: wm are as diffent as cars: looks, handling, performance, image, everything
[11:11] <abisen> nalioth, than ks
[11:11] <jeroen_> gverig, kde has all sorts of fancy effects
[11:11] <abisen> Fator_Dee, mkdvd lemme check it out
[11:11] <nalioth> gverig: i'm not saying that at all. KDE is very cpu intensive (in its default form) just like winXP (to run the eye candy)
[11:12] <Chain> ugh.. the perl.so didnt work
[11:12] <Chain> AutoLoad failed for: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/perl.so
[11:12] <Chain>  libperl.so.5.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:12] <Chain> I get that error message
[11:12] <Chain> *shoots computer*
[11:12] <jeroen_> :(
[11:12] <goldfish> use irssi :)
[11:12] <Chain> irssi?
[11:12] <katie> do i save it?
[11:12] <goldfish> Chain: yeah, it's an irc client
[11:12] <danko123456> yes, please katie.
[11:12] <nalioth> Chain: a terminal irc client
[11:13] <jeroen_> Chain, choose "completely remove" in synaptic, then install again
[11:13] <gverig> (all): Cool! So there are functional differences, not just themes and authors. Then we are back to the original question - where can I get comparison information, like a matrix of which features are lacking?
[11:13] <Th4tBa5t4rd> not that i am going to do it right now. but is it possible to run either blackbox or bluebox on ubuntu?
[11:13] <jeroen_> Th4tBa5t4rd, if it's in the repositories, it'll be easy
[11:13] <katie> how long does it take to download?
[11:13] <linukso> Th4tBa5t4rd: yes, no prob.
[11:13] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: i love you, man (been lookin for somethin to convert my avi, divx etc to dvd)
[11:13] <nalioth> Th4tBa5t4rd: yes
[11:13] <jeroen_> katie, depends on file size and connection speed
[11:14] <katie> oh
[11:14] <Chain> jeroen- synaptic?
[11:14] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i <3 blackbox for windows. so i figure it'll be better for *nix once i get the hang of things
[11:14] <danko123456> jeroen_: thanks.
[11:14] <katie> well this will be fun.........
[11:14] <jeroen_> Chain, ?
[11:14] <Chain> what is that?
[11:14] <linukso> Th4tBa5t4rd: you might consider openbox or fluxbox. Very similar to blackbox, but a bit more modern
[11:14] <danko123456> katie: I sure hope so:) dial up? it is not a bigt file if you chiose the right one.
[11:14] <katie> i think it downloaded....lol
[11:14] <goldfish> Th4tBa5t4rd: you do? it crashed all the time for me....
[11:15] <nalioth> katie: *nix is always fun (never a downer like windoze)
[11:15] <danko123456> !terminal
[11:15] <ubotu> danko123456: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:15] <goldfish> Th4tBa5t4rd: Fluxbox is fab!
[11:15] <jwsh> So I'm trying to install Ubuntu 5.04 on an AMD64 with SATA disks, and it says that it finds no disks to partition. anyone have any suggestions?
[11:15] <danko123456> katie: open a terminal, please, know how?
[11:15] <Th4tBa5t4rd> BB4Win never crashed on me...took a while to setup everything the way i liked though
[11:15] <jeroen_> whoever 'owns' ubotu, where can we add new stuff to it?
[11:15] <katie> open what terminal?
[11:15] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i will look into fluxbox
[11:15] <GhostFreeman> ok something is wrong with my desktop
[11:15] <katie> the box thingy closed on its own...
[11:16] <linukso> katie: press Ctrl-F2, and type gnome-terminal
[11:16] <danko123456> ok, Applications>System Tools>Terminal, in gnome, kde, not sure, prolly that k start menu, then find a terminal, gnome-terminal, or xterm in tehre.
[11:16] <jeroen_> linukso, you mean alt?
[11:16] <monchy> called konsole in kde
[11:16] <GhostFreeman> All I did was drag a link for my home folder on it and now its not showing any icons, and my CPU is maxed
[11:16] <IFRFLYR> Hi folks. Got a problem with my notebook - I've noticed that it's kicking on its fan more and more frequently - setup hasn't changed and gkrellm shows no higher-than-normal cpu activity and temps ranging from THR0 42(c) and THR143(c).
[11:16] <linukso> jeroen_: of cause!
[11:16] <katie> nothing came up....just went to the desktop lol....
[11:16] <linukso> silly me
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> nalioth: thank the guy who made that awesome script, not me :-)
[11:17] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: well thank you for pointing to it (now i can get rid of all the pR0n, er movies takin up space)
[11:17] <iceman> anyone know minimum system spec's for ubuntu on a mac ...
[11:17] <katie> big brother is on TV!! lol
[11:17] <katie> sorry random..
[11:17] <gverig> nalioth: You are not a geek if you HAVE a panel.
[11:17] <katie> so what now...?
[11:17] <IFRFLYR> btw it's a Compaq Presario 4020US Centrino notebook
[11:17] <nalioth> iceman: what mac are you thinking of?
[11:17] <gverig> nalioth: :)
[11:18] <danko123456> katie: if you can open a konsole in your computer, that would be great. It is that comman line window, where you can type  in commands.
[11:18] <iceman> looking to buy one .... but what to get ... "CHEAP"
[11:18] <nalioth> gverig: havent lernt all the keyboard commands yet
[11:18] <katie> oh 'run command'?
[11:18] <jeroen_> katie, that's not what he means
[11:18] <nalioth> iceman: i have a G3/600mhz dual-usb ibook2
[11:18] <katie> oh
[11:18] <nalioth> iceman: there are others in here with 300mhz macs
[11:19] <katie> well i dunno :(
[11:19] <gverig> iceman: There is a nice "hot deals" forum on anandtech.
[11:19] <johan_> what is the source repository for ubuntu
[11:19] <nalioth> iceman: how much are you lookin to spend/
[11:19] <danko123456> run command cshould be fine, I guess, if you cant find nothing else.
[11:19] <iceman> nalioth 300 mhz mac's ... whats preformance like
[11:19] <johan_> is there one
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know what the hell is wrong with my desktop?
[11:19] <nalioth> gverig: and on the apple sales page on the red sale tag
[11:19] <katie> why what do i run on it?
[11:19] <linukso> GhostFreeman: nope
[11:19] <gverig> iceman: For instance, there was a coupon for $850 off any dell laptop 1500+
[11:19] <katie> or type in it?
[11:19] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, try to see if a service is going mad
[11:19] <nalioth> iceman: stable, but slow
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> X is going mad
[11:20] <nalioth> iceman: depends on how much ram a got
[11:20] <iceman>  Apple PowerBook G3 400Mhz 400 Mhz
[11:20] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, I mean a process
[11:20] <iceman> that work ok
[11:20] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, kill it then: ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:20] <nalioth> iceman: that'll work nicely. max out your ram, tho
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> I tried that
[11:20] <danko123456> katie: you need to copy and paste exactly every command I give you from now on. As a habbit, I suggest you wait till you see if there are any comments from other people as to whether something someone on IRC advises is a good idea to do to your somputer.
[11:20] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know if Ubuntu has a good app for changing between window managers at startup of xorg?
[11:20] <linukso> Fanskapet: gdm -> session
[11:20] <katie> lol
[11:20] <danko123456> click on session on the login screen?
[11:20] <nalioth> Fanskapet: the choice at the login screen isnt working?
[11:21] <jon_> Hi
[11:21] <iceman> nalioth i have not used a mac in year and year
[11:21] <katie> i was just on my way out though....i will be back later if any of you are in...
[11:21] <abisen> i cannot burn my video files using gnomebaker as a DVD movie or VCD
[11:21] <Fanskapet> nalioth searched around in the session options but i didn't find a way too add a new window manager to the list
[11:21] <danko123456> btw, what is your user name, katie?
[11:21] <Fanskapet> I want to be able to select between XFCE4 and Gnome
[11:21] <katie> what you mean? its katie
[11:21] <nalioth> Fanskapet: ah, you didnt ask that
[11:21] <jon_> Who here wants to stop a Ubuntu user from switching back to Gentoo ?
[11:21] <jon_> I need help compiling something.
[11:21] <iceman> nalioth it has 128 meg ram in it
[11:21] <katie> i just log in whatever room i want on here
[11:21] <jeroen_> danko123456, it's katie ofcourse; that's what xchat takes
[11:21] <abisen> i guess i can do that in k3b but i dont want to install kde on my clean ubuntu !! will the installation of kbuntu-desktop pollute my gnome menus and other related stuff
[11:22] <katie> i dont have a password or nothing
[11:22] <flodine> is the new xface out on ubuntu
[11:22] <jon_> It's being a pain in the ass to compile shit in Ubuntu.
[11:22] <katie> lol
[11:22] <jon_> The Gentoo guys sent me here.
[11:22] <iceman> nalioth $260.00 right now on ebay
[11:22] <jon_> Cause I wasn't using Gentoo.
[11:22] <danko123456> katie: cool, this is what it is, ok? you have the sun's java .bin file. You need to proceed with the installation of Java, when you get back,
[11:22] <Jurku> jon_: what's the matter?
[11:22] <jwsh> Anyone have any idea how to get ubuntu to install on my Athlon64 with SATA disks? It says there are no disks to partition...
[11:22] <katie> oh ok...
[11:22] <nalioth> Fanskapet: open /usr/share/xsessions as root, open one of the existing .desktop files and edit it for your new WM
[11:22] <katie> well i shouldnt take long...!! lol
[11:22] <jon_> Don't use Ubuntu.
[11:22] <jon_> Use Gentoo
[11:22] <jeroen_> nalioth, don't
[11:22] <nalioth> Fanskapet: some WMs have the script in their installer to add a .desktop, and some don't
[11:23] <katie> right...i must be off
[11:23] <katie> thanks again!!
[11:23] <danko123456> k, see ya. katie.
[11:23] <nalioth> jeroen_: don't what?
[11:23] <katie> bye everyone!!!
[11:23] <danko123456> nice to meet you:)
[11:23] <Jurku> jon_: I'm an ex-gentoo user :)
[11:23] <katie> you to :)
[11:23] <nalioth> iceman: go for it
[11:23] <jon_> I am trying to compile edb
[11:23] <katie> bye bye lovely people! :) xx
[11:23] <jon_> THe first step to compiling E17
[11:23] <jon_> because I want to compile Engage as standalone AND as an e17 module.
[11:23] <jon_> so
[11:23] <jon_> I get this erro.
[11:23] <jon_> error*
[11:24] <iceman> Product Family:  iBook G3    Operating System:  Mac OS X
[11:24] <iceman>  Processor Speed:  500 MHz    Screen Size:  12 inches
[11:24] <iceman>  Hard Drive Capacity:  18.6 GB    Condition:  --
[11:24] <iceman>  Memory (RAM):  320 MB
[11:24] <jon_> I can live without Cedega
[11:24] <iceman> even better
[11:24] <jon_> But I can't without e17
[11:24] <Jurku> ;-)
[11:24] <jon_> checking zlib.h usability... no
[11:24] <jon_> checking zlib.h presence... no
[11:24] <jon_> checking for zlib.h... no
[11:24] <jon_> configure: error: "Cannot find zlib.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains include lines for the location of this file"
[11:24] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$
[11:24] <jon_> Binaries run MUCH faster in Gentoo than Ubuntu.
[11:24] <jon_> but
[11:24] <jon_> . . .
[11:24] <danko123456> jon_: well, that error seems easy to fix.
[11:24] <jon_> I don't have an AMD64
[11:24] <jon_> oh
[11:24] <jon_> I thought so.
[11:24] <linukso> jon_: sudo aptitude install zlib-dev
[11:24] <jon_> I just don't know shit about variables
[11:24] <jon_> hmm
[11:24] <jon_> but if you look
[11:25] <linukso> jon_: have you ever used gentoo
[11:25] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$ locate zlib.h
[11:25] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$
[11:25] <Jurku> jon_: just install the zlib dev package
[11:25] <linukso> jon_: to link against zlib, you need the header files...
[11:25] <jon_> I do.
[11:26] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$ locate zlib.h
[11:26] <jon_> usr/include/linux/zlib.h
[11:26] <linukso> jon_: have you ever tried gentoo, since you know that it runs MUCH faster?
[11:26] <jon_> I have
[11:26] <jon_> I used it for a while.
[11:26] <jon_> I"m using Ubuntu
[11:26] <jon_> because I hd some issue with the police
[11:26] <jon_> (and I'm probably going to sue them)
[11:26] <jon_> & needed a box going in 20 minutes.
[11:27] <nalioth> nice flood
[11:27] <nalioth> jon_: next time use #flood
[11:27] <jon_> What's that ?
[11:27] <johan_> can you set sources to update with ubuntu
[11:27] <danko123456> sudo export CFLAGS='#include usr/include/linux/zlib.h' may help, whachu think guys?
[11:27] <jon_> I'm new but I learn fast.
[11:27] <jon_> Thank you danko
[11:28] <danko123456> welcome, may not be it, tho.
[11:28] <gamayun> Hmm... Apparently the installation gave me one hostname, and wrote another in /etc/hosts, and since it didn't give a rootpassword - I cant change it!? Any suggestions?
[11:28] <jon_> I had to su
[11:28] <danko123456> jon, as well.
[11:28] <danko123456> !sources.list
[11:28] <ubotu> danko123456: I give up, what is it?
[11:28] <jon_> Thank you danko
[11:28] <Fanskapet> ahh danko
[11:28] <jon_> Danko do you use Skype or aim ?
[11:29] <nalioth> gamayun: there is no root pwd
[11:29] <nalioth> gamayun: ubuntu uses "sudo"
[11:29] <Fanskapet> that reminds me of an old C64 music composer :)
[11:29] <jon_> It uses root.
[11:29] <jon_> sudo passwd root
[11:29] <jon_> There you have root.
[11:29] <jon_> :-P
[11:29] <gamayun> exactly...
[11:29] <gamayun> but it doesn't work since my hostname is messed
[11:29] <jon_> Hey Danko
[11:29] <jon_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:29] <jon_> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:30] <jon_> THat's what I get now, before the other error has a chance.
[11:30] <jon_> hah
[11:30] <jon_> man
[11:30] <jon_> :(
[11:30] <danko123456> jon_: sorry for the delay, um, update your sources.list and install edb from aptitude www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list is a good example that allows you to install edb through aptitude.
[11:30] <linukso> jon_: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:30] <jon_> Thank you
[11:30] <jon_> is that edb up to date ?
[11:30] <danko123456> jon_: you tell me:)
[11:30] <danko123456> Never used it.
[11:31] <danko123456> !info edb
[11:31] <shiv> I need some help with script
[11:31] <shiv> anybody?
[11:31] <flodine> heheh just order a 24 inch flat hehehehe
[11:31] <goldfish> flodine: how much?
[11:31] <johan_> how do you set source-list in ubuntu
[11:32] <goldfish> shiv: what's up?
[11:32] <danko123456> shiv: you must state what the issue is, if we know we will tell you, and if the question stays on the screen long enough it may get answered.
[11:32] <flodine> $900
[11:32] <shiv> see #flood
[11:32] <linukso> johan_: with synaptic (or sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list)
[11:32] <shiv> I am trying to resolve my resolution
[11:32] <johan_> i did state the issue
[11:32] <nalioth> shiv: the psychics are all away atm.
[11:32] <shiv> I read the guide on ubuntuforums
[11:33] <flodine> goldfish its dells new 24 ih monitor sweet
[11:33] <nalioth> johan_: you use a txt editor
[11:33] <shiv> all works great except the last thing
[11:33] <nalioth> johan_: or you can use synaptics builtin thing
[11:33] <johan_> what file do i edit and where do i get ftp source
[11:34] <fabio> hello all
[11:34] <linukso> johan_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <johan_> thanks
[11:35] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: know anything about cdrecord-prodvd for ppc? (again i'm left out)
[11:35] <linukso> shinu: aren't you missing a "/"?
[11:35] <linukso> shinu: sorry, wrong address
[11:35] <jon_> Hey Danko
[11:35] <jon_> Could you send me that address again ?
[11:35] <shinu> :D
[11:35] <jon_> I'm juggling conversations between people here I'm sorry.
[11:36] <goldfish> flodine: cool
[11:36] <goldfish> flodine: wish i could afford one :)
[11:37] <goldfish> flodine: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops-pcs/the-l-grand-canyon-008857.php <- i want one of those
[11:37] <johan_> is fluxbox in the sources
[11:37] <flodine> goldfish got a flat 19 inch for 300
[11:37] <goldfish> cool
[11:37] <nalioth> johan_: yes
[11:37] <goldfish> johan_: yes
[11:37] <flodine> dont need it
[11:37] <johan_> great thanks
[11:38] <goldfish> johan_: the new version is out though
[11:38] <goldfish> u'll have to build it from source afaik
[11:38] <johan_> Setting up fluxbox (0.9.11-1) ...
[11:38] <owen> question: anyone know how to get Xlib.h on Breezy?
[11:38] <johan_> thats what i got from source
[11:38] <goldfish> johan_: 0.9.13 is out.
[11:38] <owen> I tried several different packages, no dice.
[11:39] <Jurku> owen: you tried xlibs-dev?
[11:39] <nalioth> owen: ya tried building it?
[11:39] <Sero> I can't get the sound to work on my box.
[11:40] <iratsu> why does sudo ask for a password?
[11:41] <nalioth> iratsu: thats it primary function
[11:41] <goldfish> iratsu: because it allows you to run commands with root priveleges
[11:41] <owen> Jurku, installed. For whatever reason, executing cc blah.c -L/usr/X11R6/include -lX11 doesn't work. It says it can't find X11/Xlib.h -- but guess what is at /usr/X11R6/include/X11 ...;-)
[11:41] <Jurku> owen: include that then...
[11:41] <danko123456> johan_: cant you scroll up? ok, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[11:41] <owen> nalioth, build xorg? no thanks ;-)  honestly though, haven't tried yet, but willing to :-)\
[11:41] <iratsu> goldfish: i don't think that answers my question...
[11:42] <owen> iratsu:
[11:42] <owen> ubuntu uses sudo, AFAIK, to prevent you from running commands as root in an unsafe fashion
[11:42] <iratsu> owen: yes, but that's not what i'm asking
[11:43] <owen> for instance, in a root terminal, or (even worse) logged on GDM as root.
[11:43] <iratsu> owen: i'm asking why it asks for a password
[11:43] <johan_> what do you mean danko123456
[11:43] <owen> If it didn't ask for a password, it would just run the commands automatically.
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: because that is the way sudo is set up by default
[11:43] <nalioth> owen: not sure where xlib.h lives
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: but you can change it if you want to...
[11:43] <dooglus> iratsu: sudo asks for a password because that is how it is configured.
[11:43] <Jurku> owen: and, I think you need -I/usr/X11R6/include, not -L/usr/X11R6/include
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: run sudo visudo
[11:44] <dooglus> iratsu: if you don't like it, you can configure it not to ask for a password
[11:44] <iratsu> ok
[11:44] <owen> iratsu, by not asking for a password, it provides no protection from you accidently running a root command -- that is why it asks for a password
[11:44] <nalioth> iratsu: or protection from your little sister or g/f gettin onboard
[11:44] <danko123456> johan_: I mean the link was still in the chatroom, unless you had closed the window at some point.
[11:44] <iratsu> owen: but it only asks for one the first time i run sudo
[11:44] <owen> Jurku, oops ;-)
[11:44] <dooglus> I think the point is that if you go for a dump, your room mate can't come along and run 'sudo' using your account
[11:44] <owen> iratsu, it caches the password for 5 minutes, i think
[11:44] <danko123456> johan_: wrong person:)
[11:45] <dooglus> iratsu: yeah - what owen said.  it remembers the password for 5 minutes
[11:45] <iratsu> dooglus: ooh, ok i get it
[11:45] <danko123456> jon_:  cant you scroll up? ok, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list .
[11:45] <iratsu> ok, thanks
[11:46] <owen> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[11:46] <owen> :-(
[11:46] <owen> Jurku, I changed that L to an I ;-)
[11:47] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:47] <dooglus> owen: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.*
[11:48] <dooglus> owen: do you see anything?
[11:48] <owen> dooglus, some valid symlinks to libx11.so, and libx11.a
[11:48] <jon_> Hey Danko do you have Skype ?
[11:48] <Jurku> owen: add -L/usr/X11R6/lib
[11:49] <p88> hi all
[11:49] <p88> is there an ncurses based sftp client?
[11:49] <danko123456> jon_: yeah, somewhere.
[11:49] <dooglus> owen: so, you have the X11 library
[11:49] <dooglus> owen: isn't it a capital X though?
[11:50] <johan_> what is needed if i want totem to play mp3
[11:50] <owen> Jurku, LD bombs after a page of undefined references
[11:50] <owen> dooglus, Yeah, my bad, it is in the ls
[11:50] <jon_> What's your Skype name ?
[11:50] <jon_> Mine is
[11:50] <owen> *is capital
[11:50] <jon_> im_jon_i_sleep_too_fucking_much
[11:51] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:51] <Jurku> owen: what are you trying to compile?
[11:51] <Jurku> owen: can you show me the file?
[11:52] <jon_> edb
[11:52] <jon_> :)
[11:52] <owen> Jurku, actually, a dumb game from IOCCC ;-) http://www1.us.ioccc.org/2004/vik1.c (it may not help you too much!)
[11:52] <owen> Jurku, it fails on any X compile
[11:52] <owen> I know breezy moved X around in many different ways... :-)\
[11:52] <owen> so I don't know if this is just fallout.
[11:52] <danko123456> jon_: got it?
[11:53] <nxv_> hi, can someone help me setting up wpa
[11:53] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:53] <nxv_> i had it running under gentoo and copied the wpa_supplicant.conf from my old installation
[11:53] <p88> is there?
[11:53] <p88> an ncurses based sftp client?
[11:53] <dooglus> owen: are you running './configure' to get the Makefile made right?
[11:53] <Jurku> owen: compiled perfectly :)
[11:53] <p88> I have googled but all I get is ftp client and sftp server
[11:54] <nxv_> wpa starts but wpa_cli status doesn't show connection nor even founds bssid
[11:54] <dooglus> owen: "confugire" looks around your system and finds out where everything is, what you have and what you don't, and writes Makefiles and config.h files accordingly
[11:54] <p88> seems there isn't
[11:54] <Jurku> that doesn't need configure
[11:54] <dooglus> owen: but if you're running breezy then we're not supposed to help you anyway.  the topic says not to use it - if you can't run it without asking for help then I don't think you're supposed to be running it.
[11:55] <owen> dooglus, just typing in the options in the command line. configure on all my other X apps fails for the same reason -- can't find the Xlib.h. I went so far as to make new autoconf'd configure scripts that bypass the X check ;-)
[11:56] <dooglus> owen: gcc vik1.c -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
[11:56] <dooglus> owen: does that work?
[11:56] <owen> dooglus, that's fine. you run hoary?
[11:57] <dooglus> I'm whory, yes.
[11:57] <danko123456> oooh...:-*
[11:58] <nalioth> p88 i believe there is, let me dig a minute
[11:58] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:58] <nalioth> p88 was rather experimental
[11:58] <owen> dooglus, No dice. I'm not really that worried about it -- the X paths have been in a state of flux for a while, so no biggy.
[11:58] <dooglus> owen: I see above someone was suggesting you should put an include path after -L - you don't want to listen to that kind of advice...  -L is for libraries, not header files.
[11:58] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, I don't think so. You probably have to build it from source?
[11:59] <dooglus> owen: what does it tell you, when you run the command I pasted?
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> damn, i don't know how to go about doing that in ubuntu, i am a gentoo user, heh
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> so i have no idea how to set what modules to load and ect..
[11:59] <owen> dooglus, same wonderful message -- X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory!
[11:59] <Jurku> dooglus: who adviced that?
[11:59] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, no biggie... 1 second I will give you a link.
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> ok, thanks'
[12:00] <katie> hi people!
[12:00] <dooglus> Jurku: I see...  he's mixing up -I and -L and includes and libs


[00:25] <Guest95169> hi
[00:26] <guiverc> Guest95169, G'day, if you have a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it (try and keep to a single line, and be patient, people will answer if/when they can)
[01:46] <ryjo> hey, all! I have recently updated Lubuntu via the software updater gui, and now wifi is unable to connect to networks. I get this in syslog: wlp2s0: authentication with <mac address> timed out
[07:14] <fareast> Can someone help me fix my trash install of lubuntu?
[07:14] <fareast> I can't get my touch to click to work.
 You have to enable it
[07:16] <fareast> ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad its on 11
[07:18] <fareast> Ur mom is on enable
[07:18] <fareast> it doesn't show
[07:20] <fareast> I am guessing I have to do something with the props but how do I make it permanent? it just disables after restart
 Not sure, what you are talking about. See the Lubuntu Manual chapter 3.2.8
[13:06] <tiggero> #ebooks


[04:49] <pitti> Good morning
[12:25] <balloons> good morning :-)
[12:26] <elfy> hi balloons
[12:27] <balloons> hey elfy
[12:27] <elfy> you fixing it today? ;)
[12:30] <balloons> elfy, no traveling :-(
[12:30] <balloons> with that I'm off
[12:30] <elfy> mmm
[12:30] <balloons> I worked on it yesterday!
[12:30] <elfy> mmm
[12:30] <balloons> lol
[12:31]  * balloons feels elfy's glare
[12:31]  * knome glares balloons too
[12:31] <elfy> you should I'm trying to look at historical data - bad enough normally ...
[16:29] <elopio> ubuntu-qa, can somebody please confirm this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1368331
[16:29] <robotfuel> elopio: I'll try
[16:30] <elopio> thanks robotfuel
[16:30] <davmor2> elopio: it is setting up the languages
[16:31] <robotfuel> reseting all the things! :D
[16:33] <robotfuel> hmm my phone is on the logo screen and won't boot further after I did a reset
[16:36] <robotfuel> elopio: confirmed
[16:36] <elopio> davmor2: even on english it's slow.
[16:37] <elopio> robotfuel: I have one more. Can you select password on the security page, and see if the keyboard has a long delay to appear?
[16:37] <davmor2> yes I think mterry is aware of it and knows it needs improving.
[16:38] <davmor2> elopio: that is part of the same issue, maliit session is being created with the correct language
[16:39] <elopio> davmor2: I don't see a bug reported for that, so I'll make one.
[16:51] <elopio> davmor2, robotfuel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1368339
[16:52] <elopio> ugh, I reported it on the wrong project.
[16:54] <davmor2> elopio: sadtrombone.com more coffee in isle 1
[16:55] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1368343
[17:06] <robotfuel> elopio: new bug confirmed
[17:17] <elopio> thanks robotfuel
[22:52] <Nothing_Much> Quick question, does Ubuntu Touch have a feature where you choose when to update through your Wifi instead of your 3G network to save money and data?