[12:28] <hareem> hey guys. How can i make a normal pc a thin client
[12:29] <LaserJock> have it PXE boot
[12:33] <hareem> see i have a normal pc that i want to connect to the edubuntu server
[12:33] <hareem> so what should be doing
[12:35] <LaserJock> plug it in and turn it on?
[12:35] <LaserJock> make sure in the BIOS that it can network (PXE) boot and that it does that before it it boots from the hard drive
[12:36] <hareem> should i install the edubuntu workstation on it
[12:36] <LaserJock> no
[12:36] <LaserJock> you don't need to install anything, it's a thin client :-)
[12:36] <crimsun> (that kinda makes it a thick client by definition)
[12:38] <hareem> so if my board is pxe compliant. It would automtically boot to edubuntu
[12:38] <LaserJock> yep
[12:39] <hareem> even if the contraption is a amd 64
[12:40] <crimsun> (yes)
[12:40] <LaserJock> I think that also depends on you LTSP chroot, perhaps
[12:41] <hareem> and if the thing is not pxe ... is there some way to make it work again
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think there might be some support for etherboot
[12:41] <LaserJock> but I could be wrong there
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think the best is pxe
[12:42] <hareem> ok.. but can i make a boot rom or iso disk or something
[12:50] <hareem> ok so i went to this rom o matic place
[12:50] <hareem> i dont know how to set this up
[02:17] <cbx33> ping ogra_
[05:20] <hareem> I need help in setting up my edubuntu network
[05:21] <hareem> does the secondary cable go from the server to the switch's uplink port or to another port
[05:21] <mhz> hmm
[05:22] <mhz> basically, any port would do, afaik
[05:22] <hareem> ok secondly where can i get the student control panel in edubuntu
[05:23] <hareem> there is a control panel for managing LTSP connections to the server. I dont know its name
[05:23] <hareem> does any one know the name of that app
[05:24] <hareem> hello can any one please help
[05:26] <mhz> i dont think we have such a thing yet
[05:26] <mhz> afaik, for edgy
[05:26] <mhz> however,
[05:26] <mhz> we do have users creation profiles
[05:27] <hareem> yeah how do i do that
[05:28] <mhz> System -> Users
[05:28] <mhz> or something like that
[05:28] <mhz> I am not in Gnome right now
[05:30] <LaserJock> hareem: student-control-panel
[05:32] <hareem> whats the panels repos name
[05:32] <hareem> synaptic cant find it
[05:32] <LaserJock> it's in the Universe repo
[05:34] <hareem> how do i setup the universal repos
[05:36] <Fujitsu> !repos
[05:36] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:36] <hareem> thanks
[05:37] <hareem> so after installing ubuntu server. I tried to connect my thin client to the server but i failed. The thin client looks up dhcp but cant seem to find it
[05:38] <LaserJock> do you have another dhcp server around
[05:38] <LaserJock> the edubuntu server needs to be the only dhcp server that the client can see
[05:38] <Fujitsu> Or the other DHCP server needs to be configured appropriately.
[05:47] <mhz> yup
[05:48] <LaserJock> in my case I can't touch the oterh DHCP server :(
[05:48] <LaserJock> so no LTSP for me
[05:48] <hareem> well i think i got dhcp on the main router.
[05:48] <hareem> but
[05:48] <hareem> the thin clients should connect to the server. Not to the main router
[05:49] <hareem> so what should i do man
[05:56] <hareem> ?
[05:57] <hareem> any body around..
[05:58] <LaserJock> I honestly don't know
[05:58] <LaserJock> I'm not good with LTSP setups
[05:58] <LaserJock> you might email the edubuntu-users mailing list
[05:58] <LaserJock> to get some of the more knowledgable people on it
[06:31] <hareem> can some one please help me setup my edubuntu
[06:31] <hareem> i cant seem to get my thin clien to connect
[06:41] <Burgundavia> hareem: what is the issue you are having?
[06:41] <hareem> well sir i installed edubuntu
[06:41] <hareem> and got the two network cards setup and the switch is up
[06:42] <hareem> but my thin client is not picking up a domain
[06:44] <Burgundavia> have you followed: http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[06:44] <hareem> yes. i followed the image shot they have ther
[06:45] <hareem> a question. I connected my router to my server and the server to the switch. So the router still has its dhcp on
[06:45] <Burgundavia> you might need to tell dhcpd which interface to bind to
[06:45] <hareem> so how can i get my thin client to connect
[06:46] <hareem> so what should i do. Like where to go
[06:48] <Burgundavia> what happens when you turn your thin clients on?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> do they get an address?
[06:48] <hareem> no
[06:49] <hareem> the screen says DHCP................................
[06:49] <hareem> thin client cannot find any dhcp
[06:55] <hareem> so whats should be doing
[06:55] <Burgundavia> is the dhcpd server running?
[06:55] <Burgundavia> sorry about the delay, reading up
[06:57] <hareem> i think so. How can i check if its runnng
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ps aux | grep dhcpd
[06:58] <Burgundavia> does that give you anything?
[06:59] <hareem> dhcpd     4972  0.0  0.3   2808   872 ?        Ss   Jul07   0:03 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:59] <hareem> hareem   14225  0.0  0.3   2884   816 pts/4    S+   00:59   0:00 grep dhcpd
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ok, it is running
[07:00] <hareem> so whats wrong
[07:00] <Burgundavia> doesn't appear to be handing out addresses
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I have never actually installing Edubuntu, so I am kind of stuck
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I would try restarting dhcpd
[07:00] <Burgundavia> then peak at your dhcpd.conf
[07:01] <hareem> how do i restart it
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
[07:03] <hareem> it says command not found
[07:07] <Burgundavia> udo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[07:07] <Burgundavia> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[07:08] <hareem> dhcp is failing to start
[07:11] <Burgundavia> hmm, sorry, out of my depth
[07:13] <hareem> thanks for the help.
[07:14] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:27] <spacey> hareem: so just get a dhcpd.conf example from the docs
[09:43] <Burgundavia> pygi, spacey, jsgotangco: http://ubuntu.ca/Edubuntu-casestudy.png
[09:44] <pygi> ^_^
[09:45] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:45] <jsgotangco> youre using the tuxlabs experience as first case study?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:46] <Burgundavia> backside will be some of the text from teh SchoolAdvocacy thingy
[09:47] <jsgotangco> nice nice
[09:58] <pygi> Burgundavia, have you talked with dholbach about anselmo perhaps? :/
[09:58] <Burgundavia> no
[09:59] <jsgotangco> anselmo?
[09:59] <pygi> ah,k ^_^
[09:59] <pygi> jsgotangco, SoC student
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ann
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:59] <jsgotangco> safetyboat i presume?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:00] <jsgotangco> is anything happening there with that?
[10:00] <pygi> not really :-/
[10:00] <pygi> Burgundavia, we have 3 more mentors who must submit the review
[10:01] <pygi> Jeff will do it on Monday, with Matthias Klose and Scoot,I haven't talked
[10:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:01] <pygi> Scott*
[10:01] <pygi> jsgotangco, there is 2 more days ^_^ How is your student doing?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> pretty good we'll probably have a binary by next week
[10:02] <pygi> o,yes, I forgot I need advice from you people
[10:02] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: which is yours?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> amenity
[10:02] <Burgundavia> ah, that
[10:02] <pygi> There is one student which I havent heard since 15 days ago, but he was getting merried
[10:02] <pygi> also, by now he written just 100lines of python !!!
[10:02] <jsgotangco> feh
[10:02] <jsgotangco> drop it
[10:03] <pygi> Burgundavia, advice?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> on anselmo? I really don't know. I was concerned that I was too involved, so I backed off and then I was away, but it seems nothing has been done
[10:04] <pygi> Burgundavia, not anselmo, my student :P
[10:04] <Burgundavia> maybe somebody needs to work out a more complete action plan, something I don't think has been done
[10:04] <jsgotangco> student should be proactive on reporting stuff
[10:04] <jsgotangco> as well as making the plan
[10:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:04] <jsgotangco> after all the money is actually bounty monty
[10:04] <Burgundavia> pygi: remind me again, which is your student?
[10:04] <jsgotangco> s/monty/money
[10:05] <pygi> Burgundavia, look at Brian Davis
[10:05] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you going for the full monty :P
[10:05] <pygi> he wrote just 100 lines of python by now, and I haven't heard from him in 15 days
[10:06] <Burgundavia> even I can write a hundred lines of python!
[10:06] <pygi> he was getting merried, but ...
[10:06] <pygi> Burgundavia, so drop or?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm, yet another abstraction framework...
[10:07] <Burgundavia> is there a better plan than http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/appinfo.html?csaid=4D72DEB990CEB28D
[10:07] <jsgotangco> you can make a follow up email
[10:07] <jsgotangco> then if he doesn't respond drop off i guess
[10:07] <pygi> jsgotangco, I sent him a mail to respond ASAP
[10:07] <Burgundavia> by this point I would expect every student to have a clear plan and already be into the first few goals on that plan
[10:07] <pygi> no response by now
[10:07] <Burgundavia> that may not actually be code
[10:08] <pygi> http://blog.kerkopes.com/
[10:09] <jsgotangco> 100 lines of comments!
[10:09] <pygi> !!!
[10:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[10:09] <jsgotangco> some if not most alrady have working code or have already committed to mainline!
[10:10] <Burgundavia> http://bzr.kerkopes.com/gedit-scm-plugin/ <-- this is empty
[10:10] <Burgundavia> is that a known feature of bzr?
[10:11] <jsgotangco> its not a branch
[10:11] <jsgotangco> yep it ain't a branch
[10:11] <Burgundavia> he called his thing branches
[10:12] <pygi> eh :P
[10:12] <jsgotangco> here's my student's blog http://percentd.blogspot.com/
[10:12] <Burgundavia> his writing is very clear and he has a clear plan
[10:12] <Burgundavia> but failure to code means failure to get paid, in my books
[10:12] <pygi> May 23 - Google posts accepted projects, celebrate my project's acceptance (hope
[10:12] <pygi> May 24 - Contact my mentor, set up project web site/repository, check in current
[10:12] <pygi> ~June 20 - Finish framework code, begin implementing specific SCM backends (bzr,
[10:12] <pygi> ~July 4 - Finish bzr backend, write general test suite, celebrate Independence D
[10:12] <pygi> ~July 20 - Finish test suite, finish 1-2 other backends (probably svn and/or cvs
[10:12] <pygi> ~August 10 - Finish as many other backends as possible (perhaps Mercurial, Monot
[10:12] <pygi> August 20 - Turn in code, evaluate mentor, celebrate birthday
[10:13] <Burgundavia> that is exactly what I was about to say
[10:13] <pygi> I see none usable code in that "branch"
[10:13] <jsgotangco> he didnt say getting married too
[10:13] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:14] <pygi> eh =P
[10:15] <pygi> jsgotangco, Burgundavia ,  so drop?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> not yet
[10:15] <Burgundavia> when did you send your email asking for him to respond?
[10:16] <pygi> two days ago
[10:16] <Burgundavia> do you have a phone number?
[10:16] <pygi> no :-/
[10:16] <Burgundavia> got a name and a general location?
[10:17] <pygi> Burgundavia, name yes, location no, he wasnt involved and was not talking with me much really
[10:17] <Burgundavia> this midterm review, does it mean you have to decide quite quickly on dropping him?
[10:18] <pygi> Burgundavia, yes, it's black/white thingy
[10:18] <Burgundavia> is there a fixed time to decide (ie: today or tomorrow?)
[10:18] <pygi> it has to be decided by Monday I think
[10:18] <Burgundavia> then send him an email tonight saying "You are about to be dropped"
[10:18] <Burgundavia> If he gets back to AND he has a solid plan for getting back on track, then keep him
[10:19] <Burgundavia> failure on either count is out
[10:20] <Burgundavia> ultimately, it is really a gut feeling. Do you *think* he is going to finish?
[10:20] <pygi> no
[10:20] <Burgundavia> then drop him
[10:20] <Burgundavia> trust your instincts when managing people. You will almost never be wrong
[10:20] <pygi> two of the other students I have will finish, and phanatic is even ahead of schedule
[10:21] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: he'll get paid $2,000 if pygi approves
[10:21] <jsgotangco> with 100 lines of code
[10:21] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:22] <Burgundavia> so they are dolling the money out in two sums of 2k this time?
[10:22] <pygi> Burgundavia, yes :-/
[10:22] <Burgundavia> that makes each of those hundred lines worth $20, give or take
[10:23] <Burgundavia> with that pay scale, I probably wrote about $4000 worth of spec for Koha and case study for Edubuntu tonight!
[10:23] <jsgotangco> compare that to say my student with already working code and a sourceforge repository as well as bzr
[10:23] <jsgotangco> getting the same amount
[10:24] <pygi> jsgotangco, right
[10:24] <pygi> and I talked with your student in number of occassions, he will finish, and he will continue maintaing it even after SoC is done
[10:25] <jsgotangco> im pretty positive he has a bright outlook in life
[10:25] <Burgundavia> the other thing about management is sometimes you get to make crappy decisions, like this one. Essentially you are firing this guy
[10:26] <pygi> jsgotangco, I think the same
[10:26] <pygi> Burgundavia, indeed :-/
[10:27] <Burgundavia> I fear that is what is going to happen with Anselmo
[10:27] <Burgundavia> sad, because 4 or 5 women approached me todo the same project for WSOP with GNOME
[10:27] <pygi> Burgundavia, hm, lemme call dholbach
[10:28] <pygi> he's not here :-/
[10:29] <Burgundavia> the man might even have a life outside of Ubuntu, you know ;)
[10:29] <pygi> ofcourse, I said nothing ^_^
[10:29] <pygi> I am interest what will happen with that Samba conf thingy
[10:29] <Burgundavia> http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200607/screenshot24ga.png
[10:29] <pygi> interested*
[10:30] <Burgundavia> the migration assistant is the one that interests me the most, after anselmo
[10:32] <pygi> aha ^_^
[10:34] <Burgundavia> anybody know if that is going?
[10:36] <pygi> Burgundavia, not really, havent talked with Evan for quite a long
[10:36] <pygi> but he seemed capable
[10:36] <Burgundavia> capable != working
[10:37] <pygi> ofcourse :P
[10:40] <pygi> the BZR UI could be finished in a matter of week from now, but I won't force anything ^_^
[10:43] <Burgundavia> glaunchpad is coming along and so is willowng
[10:43] <pygi> I saw screenshot of glaunchpad
[10:44] <pygi> you have blog of that guy who is doing it?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> glaunchpad is ploum
[10:45] <Burgundavia> he is on planet ubuntu
[10:46] <pygi> Conseil stuff?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:46] <pygi> ah nice ^_^
[10:47] <Burgundavia> all in all, I think the quality of applicants was higher this year
[10:47] <pygi> yea, but seems we'll have to drop two(or at least one) student
[10:47] <Burgundavia> I wonder, of the failures, how many knew/used/developed on OSS
[10:48] <Burgundavia> before SoC
[10:48] <pygi> Teresa, one of my students, never worked with FOSS community before
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: enough people mispell you name I guess --> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=jerome+gostango&btnG=Search&meta=
[10:50] <Burgundavia> thing is, you can easily see if these people have been involved with FOSS.  What do you need>
[11:46] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:46] <pygi> Burgundavia, talk to you, I am just talking with Brian
[11:46] <pygi> sec
[11:47] <pygi> the pm'
[12:23] <jsgotangco> go for it, i haven't really tested the code itself, i just peeked how sane his process flow is
[12:25] <DanielC> Does "Happy Dapper Day" mean anything?
[12:25] <DanielC> Is every day Happy Dapper Day?
[12:25] <DanielC> heh
[12:25] <ogra> no it was left over from the release
[12:25] <DanielC> ah
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> hello ogra
[12:34] <ogra> hey
[12:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: don't you get vacation/leave credits?
[12:44] <ogra> ??
[12:44] <ogra> sure i do
[12:44] <ogra> 26 days/year or so (dunno, i'd have to dig up my contract for the precise value)
[12:45] <jsgotangco> just wondering i barely see you go on vac or something
[12:46] <ogra> if i have vacation, i usually stay at home ... we have 5 animals and nobody to look after them and my GF has a handicapped brother that needs 24/7 care ... since i dont like to travel alone (i do that for canonical enough) i just stay here :)
[12:47] <ogra> which means i ususally also  go on IRC after doing some gardening etc ...
[12:47] <ogra> my last 6 months holiday resulted in ltsp-manager ;)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> oh yes i remember that
[12:51] <ogra> currently all my sparetime goes into organizing my move tthat has to be done by end of the month, after that you'll also see me taking some vacation days here and there, since then i'll start setting up my datacenter, new office etc ...
[12:51] <ogra> ... building a sauna ... a glasshouse for my GF
[12:54] <jsgotangco> datacenter
[12:54] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:55] <ogra> well, i have 220sqm for living and about the same size for cellar and garret ...
[12:55] <ogra> we actually use a 16sqm room from this all .. the rest i still equipped with the furniture of my GFs mother and looks like a sixties museum
[12:56] <jsgotangco> at least you own your home
[12:56] <ogra> so there will be a lot of cleaning out to do before we can even start ... and susie doesnt have the courage yet to sort out her mothers stuff
[12:57] <ogra> well, yes, she owns the house and we dont have to pay any rent or any other money for living apart from food ... so thats a big advantage
[12:58] <ogra> her mother even arranged that we'll get a solar heating for the house, its paied and sitting in the garage waiting for the craftsmen to install it
[01:05] <jsgotangco> whoa solar heating neat
[01:05] <bimberi> ogra: is there "respite care" (as they call it here) available for your g/f?  Here that's the ability to put the one needing care in a hospital (sortof) so the carer gets a break.
[01:05] <ogra> bimberi, yes, but its very expensive here
[01:06] <ogra> and it doesnt solve the animal problem ...
[01:06] <bimberi> yes i'd have no idea of the cost here.
[01:07] <jsgotangco> what are those animals anyways? dogs? cats? cows? farm animals?
[01:07] <ogra> i think its between 5000-10000 for a week around here, depending onn the organization you use
[01:07] <bimberi> eek
[01:07] <jsgotangco> wow that's expensive
[01:07] <jsgotangco> that's like a brand new car
[01:07] <ogra> a very old dog (16 years), two cats and two guinea pigs
[01:08] <ogra> +well, we pay 5000 for a month for the nurse service that gets him out of bed in the morning and back in the evening as well
[01:09] <jsgotangco> 5000/month is probably manageable for a good earner but the same amount and more for a week is crazy
[01:09] <ogra> ususally you are pretty well in this country if you dont have any money, the state pays for such stuff and you dont have to care
[01:09] <ogra> sadly *he* had money and a very good insurance when he had his accident
[01:10] <ogra> which means he has to pay everything from that
[01:10] <martalli> ogra - are you in the us?
[01:10] <ogra> and doesnt get a cent from the state
[01:10] <jsgotangco> is it much cheaper in your current place compared to say, berlin?
[01:10] <ogra> germany
[01:10] <ogra> nope
[01:10] <ogra> kassel is smaller but surely living costs the same here
[01:11] <ogra> berlin is cheaper than here if you go out of the city into the former GDR area ...
[01:11] <martalli> Here the state won't cover you until you are basically  below the poverty line...sounds like deutschland isn't much better.
[01:11] <martalli> here=us
[01:11] <jsgotangco> i was like in paris for a week and it really hit me hard with my pocket money
[01:12] <ogra> well, you wont fall below the poverty line as a handicapped person in germany
[01:12] <ogra> the state cares early enough
[01:12] <martalli> If you want a cheap place to live, I would suggest India - I lived there for a year on $5000 a few years back
[01:12] <ogra> the only prob is really if you own any money ...
[01:12] <martalli> ogra - they want you to spend your money first?
[01:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: the other day you posted a link with a photo of you, LaserJock and ????.  Who was the third?
[01:13] <ogra> oh, i'm not after living cheap ... as long as i dont have to turn every cent i'm happy
[01:13] <ogra> martalli, exactly
[01:13] <jsgotangco> bimberi: aaron seigo of KDE
[01:13] <ogra> and they wont pay as long as anything is left
[01:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: ahh :)
[01:13] <martalli> Then there, as here, it is really a tax on the middle class.  The poor are covered, and the gates and rothschilds can cover the cash.
[01:13] <martalli> The middle class lose their life savings
[01:13] <ogra> yep
[01:14] <jsgotangco> martalli: i stayed in chennai for a month, i couldn't stand the food
[01:14] <bimberi> jsgotangco: thanks, i thought it might be one of the Edubuntu crowd but didn't recognise him
[01:14] <jsgotangco> and the healthcare system
[01:14] <martalli> My wife is tamil, maybe you just need a better cook =)
[01:14] <jsgotangco> probably lol
[01:14] <bimberi> hehe
[01:14] <martalli> lol I recommend not getting sick
[01:14] <jsgotangco> very
[01:15] <bimberi> here they say if you get sick just get on a plane home asap
[01:15] <martalli> Although we wre just back in India (Karnataka, actually)( and I had to take my 2 y/o to the hospital for febrile diarrhe...the er visit med doc charges, etc were less in ruppes what they would have charged in dollars here in the us (Rs50 ~ $1)
[01:16] <martalli> I was alsmot ashamed to pay so little (and for that problem, they did a good job)
[01:17] <martalli> Say, does anyone use a ralink wireless card with edubuntu?
[01:18] <ogra> nobody i know ...
[01:18] <bimberi> goodness me, that's shop talk ;P
[01:18] <ogra> do you have probs with it ?
[01:19] <martalli> well, I have a card with an rt2500 card.  It worked fine with mdv2006 in another computer, but in my son's computer mepis 6.0 rc2 wouldn't even recognize the card.  I was thinking of trying edubuntu (obviously a good choice for a 4 y/o), but wondered if it might work 'out f the box'
[01:20] <martalli> I haven't yet tried any *buntu 6.06 distros on it yet, although I am currently downloading edubuntu
[01:21] <bimberi> martalli: Looks promising - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[01:21] <ogra> hmm, mepis is based on ubuntu
[01:22] <ogra> but i'm not sure if they use our kernel or drivers
[01:22] <martalli> I think warren uses his own kernel
[01:23] <martalli> Back when I was using 3.x, it would seem to get mixed up if I installed too much stuff from the debian repos
[01:23] <martalli> but, it comes with the ati and nvidia drivers, flash/java/etc., and that was appealing
[01:23] <martalli> now I am p[lenty competent to at least go through a howto and get those things installed (I think =)
[01:24] <martalli> bimberi - thanks for the link!
[01:24] <bimberi> martalli: np :) that page indicates that the rt2500 is supported out of the box in the recent (ed)ubuntu versions
[01:26] <martalli> excellent - 60% there to edubuntu goodness
[01:26] <martalli> =)
[01:43] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[05:09] <ajayc> driiiing~~
[05:09] <ajayc> hi guys
[05:27] <ajayc> pygi, !!!!
[05:27] <pygi> ajayc, how may I help you?
[05:28] <ajayc> err no way
[05:28] <ajayc> just welcoming u
[05:28] <ajayc> :D
[05:28] <pygi> :)
[06:02] <hareem> i cant seem to restart my dhcp server
[06:02] <hareem> can some one help
[06:02] <pygi> hareem, how are you trying to restart it?
[06:04] <hareem> by using the terminal
[06:04] <pygi> eh, what command ?
[06:04] <hareem> /etc/init.d/dhcp3serverstart
[06:05] <DanielC> And what error does it give?
[06:05] <pygi> try doing restart instead of start
[06:05] <pygi> and tell me errors
[06:05] <pygi> eh, DanielC beats me :P
[06:07] <hareem> All rights reserved.
[06:07] <hareem> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:07] <hareem>  * Stopping DHCP server                                                  [fail]
[06:07] <hareem> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3
[06:07] <hareem> Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
[06:07] <hareem> All rights reserved.
[06:07] <hareem> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:07] <hareem>  * Starting DHCP server:                                                 [fail]
[06:07] <hareem> thats the error i got
[06:08] <DanielC> On another terminal type: tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
[06:08] <DanielC> Then restart the server again.
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0.  If this is not w hat
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    you want, please write a subnet declaration
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segm ent
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    to which interface eth0 is attached. **
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:02 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port  67 interval 3
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:05 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port  67 interval 3
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:08 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port  67 interval 8
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:24 localhost last message repeated 2 times
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:32 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 9
[06:09] <pygi> hareem, !!!
[06:09] <pygi> !ops
[06:09] <ubotu> ops-#edubuntu is Help! ogra, highvoltage, Seveas or HedgeMage
[06:09] <hareem> yeah
[06:09] <pygi> :P
[06:10] <hareem> so how can i fix this
[06:12] <DanielC> I don't know what the problem is tbh.
[06:12] <Yagisan> looks like he didn't leave the default settings on install
[06:13] <highvoltage> still neede?
[06:14] <highvoltage> hareem: please don't flood the channel by posting multi-line error messages, use a pastebin instead
[06:15] <hareem> sorry about that
[06:15] <hareem> i did not know
[06:15] <DanielC> no worries
[06:15] <DanielC> Could you put a copy of your .conf file in http://pastebin.com ?
[06:16] <hareem> i spent all night trying to setup this edubuntu up. But man. It gave me a trashing
[06:16] <hareem> ok
[06:16] <DanielC> Hmm...  did you edit the .conf file at all?
[06:16] <DanielC> If so, was it the one in /etc/lstp ?
[06:17] <hareem> yeah it was in the /etc/ltsp
[06:17] <DanielC> ok
[06:18] <hareem> my conf file is on pastebin
[06:18] <DanielC> What's the URL?
[06:18] <DanielC> copy the URL and put it here.
[06:19] <hareem> hahaha paste bin give an error
[06:20] <highvoltage> http://rafb.net/paste
[06:22] <hareem> here ya go
[06:22] <hareem> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Iruwm776.html
[06:22] <DanielC> *click*
[06:24] <DanielC> highvoltage: Can one put 'option' statements outside a 'subnet' block?
[06:24] <DanielC> hareem: This file is quite different from the one Edubuntu comes with. Where did you get it from? Did you write all of this?
[06:25] <DanielC> Here is mine: http://rafb.net/paste/results/T4MyBm77.html
[06:26] <hareem> thats the ltsp.org one
[06:26] <DanielC> Try mine and see if it works.
[06:26] <hareem> edubuntu wasnt working. A buddy said that setup ltsp.org one
[06:27] <DanielC> Try mine and see if it works.
[06:27] <hareem> i just overwirte my setting with your rite
[06:30] <hareem> ok i added the text to my conf file . . so now what should i do
[06:31] <DanielC> restart dhcp server.
[06:31] <DanielC> Don't *add* the text. Replace the .conf file by the one I wrote.
[06:33] <hareem> yeah thats what i did
[06:33] <DanielC> does it work now?
[06:34] <highvoltage> DanielC: i think you can, it would then apply to all dhcp clients
[06:35] <DanielC> ok
[06:35] <highvoltage> hareem: DanielC is right, using the default ltsp.org one will definitely cause some problems :)
[06:40] <ogra> hareem, dont mix ubuntu ltsp and ltsp.org ltsp, if you really want to try the one from ltsp.org, make sure to weed out *all* bits from ubuntu ltsp before
[06:42] <juliux> ogra, who i have to write an e-mail to get some more edubuntu cds ?
[06:42] <ogra> juliux, marilize
[06:43] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[06:44] <ogra> juliux, but afaik an option for bigger orders should be in place on shipit as well ...
[06:45] <juliux> ogra, ah ok, i will take a look to shipit
[06:46] <juliux> ogra, thxs i found it
[06:49] <ogra> (dunno if that applies for edubuntu though)
[06:50] <ogra> is it possible ?
[06:50] <juliux> yes it is possible
[06:50] <ogra> good to know ;)
[06:50] <juliux> i orderd some for the next fairs
[06:50] <ogra> yep
[06:50] <juliux> and if i get a personal request
[06:50] <ogra> looks like i'll get a full box next month
[06:50] <juliux> a great
[06:51] <ogra> thomas uhl wants to start a big campaign in bayern
[06:51] <ogra> he called me recently
[06:51] <juliux> i orderd cds for him
[06:51] <juliux> special for his store
[06:52] <ogra> ah
[06:52] <ogra> he didt tell me you two met
[06:52] <ogra> *didnt
[06:52] <juliux> ohm i know thomas since 2004
[06:53] <juliux> from gnome
[08:05] <bddebian> Hello
[10:36] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:36] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[10:36] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[10:37] <cbx33> howz tricks
[10:38] <bddebian> OK thanks. You?
[10:39] <cbx33> yeh going good
[10:39] <cbx33> recoded some of gisomount
[10:39] <pygi> !!!
[10:39] <bddebian> Ah cool
[10:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[10:39] <cbx33> gonna get ready to put it into Universe soon
[10:39] <cbx33> pygi, I know without asking any questions :p
[10:40] <pygi> cbx33, ^_^
[10:40] <cbx33> need to finish up packaging on that one
[10:40] <cbx33> my first ever package :D
[10:41] <cbx33> then it'll be grasynco :D
[10:41] <cbx33> and then in a few days I'll start my bits on s-c-p
[10:42] <highvoltage> hiya cbx33
[10:43] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[10:43] <cbx33> howz it all going
[10:44] <highvoltage> good
[10:44] <highvoltage> relaxed, calmed... and also laptopless
[10:44] <cbx33> *gah*
[10:45] <highvoltage> i think the laptopnessness might contribute to the calm and relaxment factor :)
[10:45] <cbx33> heheh
[10:45] <bddebian> Heya pygi, highvoltage
[10:45] <cbx33> you on your phone?
[10:45] <pygi> hey bddebian ^_^
[10:45] <cbx33> hiya LaserJock
[10:45] <highvoltage> nope, on PC at home
[10:45] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[10:45] <highvoltage> but connected via phone, yes
[10:45] <highvoltage> hey bddebian and LaserJock
[10:45] <cbx33> ah
[10:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, made some major changes to the info code in gisomount
[10:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how's the laser doing? :)
[10:46] <LaserJock> highvoltage: not bad, got a new wavelength lined up yesterday :-)
[10:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: way cool, I'll check it out when I have a chance
[10:47] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, is it acceptable to have the debian folder in the bzr repo?
[10:47] <cbx33> and just remove it when I tar it up
[10:48] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd rather do it as a seperate branch or something
[10:48] <cbx33> ok
[10:48] <cbx33> just asking
[10:48] <cbx33> hehe
[10:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, tbh, gisomount is nearing completion
[10:49] <cbx33> I know you're super busy atm, but if I get the package up to speed in the next few days
[10:49] <cbx33> could you get it into universe for me?
[10:49] <pygi> cbx33, application is NEVER done!!!
[10:49] <cbx33> pygi, you know what I mean
[10:49] <cbx33> feature freeze
[10:49] <pygi> ^_^
[10:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, I think so
[10:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: what kind of features does it have, besides mountint isos?
[10:50] <cbx33> um....
[10:50] <cbx33> hm.....
[10:50] <cbx33> md5sum for a click
[10:50] <cbx33> browse fro ma click
[10:50] <cbx33> burn fro ma click
[10:50] <cbx33> favorite isos
[10:51] <cbx33> volume information reading
[10:51] <LaserJock> and being able to do more than one at a time
[10:51] <cbx33> yeh
[10:51] <cbx33> currently it'll support 5
[10:51] <LaserJock> which is nice if you are trying to compare
[10:52] <cbx33> indeed
[10:52] <cbx33> good for checking which is the latest version of an iso
[10:52] <cbx33> if you are doing beta testing
[10:52] <cbx33> hoping to put it in the gnome context menu
[10:52] <cbx33> in some ways too
[10:52] <LaserJock> or have an Edubuntu release coming up in a couple days and need to test like mad :-)
[10:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, true
[10:53] <cbx33> in the next versions I may have things like vmware/qemu integration
[10:53] <pygi> !!! !!! !!!
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about !! !!! !!!
[10:53] <LaserJock> that might be cool
[10:53] <highvoltage> cool
[10:54] <cbx33> I need to do a favorites manager too
[10:54] <cbx33> currently you can't delete favorites :p
[10:54] <highvoltage> cbx33: so it's too late for feature request?
[10:54] <cbx33> noe
[10:54] <highvoltage> rsyncing would also be nice.
[10:54] <cbx33> nope
[10:54] <cbx33> not for you :p
[10:54] <cbx33> well
[10:54] <cbx33> that's what grasynco is for
[10:55] <cbx33> it's a front end for ogra's rsyncer.sh script
[10:55] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[10:55] <pygi> cbx33, you are "all-around" python now ^_^
[10:55] <cbx33> pygi, I'm trying
[10:56] <cbx33> I may do a port from python to C++ for gismount as an exercise one day
[10:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, does grasynco sound like it's what you need?
[10:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: probably not need, but sounds like a nice to have :)
[10:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, so what was the feature reqquest?
[10:57] <highvoltage> what i really need is a decent replacement for cdrecord.
[10:57] <highvoltage> it's complete rubbish.
[10:57] <pygi> highvoltage, !!! right !!! :)
[10:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: in terms of the feature request, it satisfies it, yes
[10:57] <cbx33> is that the gnome one?
[10:57] <highvoltage> gnome one?
[10:58] <cbx33> ah...a front end for it?
[10:58] <pygi> cbx33, no, he just says cdrecord is bad =P
[10:58] <cbx33> ah
[11:00] <highvoltage> ok, i'm off to bed. goodnight, #edubuntu
[11:00] <cbx33> nn hareem
[11:00] <cbx33> nn highvoltage
[11:00] <cbx33> damn tab key
[11:01] <cbx33> right I'm over and out too
[11:01] <cbx33> nn people
[11:01] <pygi> night cbx33  :P
[11:01] <cbx33> pygi, am I getting better at python?
[11:02] <pygi> cbx33, I wouldnt know, haven't looked at your code ^_^
[11:02] <cbx33> heheheh
[11:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, I'm going to try and finish up the packaging tomorrow
[11:02] <LaserJock> k
[11:02] <LaserJock> email me when you're done
[11:03] <cbx33> will do
[11:23] <LaserJock> hi
[11:23] <DanielC> I'm eager to improve my .deb package.
[11:23] <DanielC> I'm sure I did several things wrong.
[11:23] <LaserJock> sorry, I haven't had a chance to look at it in-depth ye
[11:23] <LaserJock> t
[11:24] <DanielC> ok
[11:26] <LaserJock> DanielC: one thing, in debian/control, the debhelper Build-Dep sould be versioned
[11:26] <DanielC> Ok, I have debian/control in front of me.
[11:26] <DanielC> How do I specify a version of debhelper?
[11:28] <LaserJock> debhelper (>= 5.0.0)
[11:28] <DanielC> thanks
[11:28] <LaserJock> and then put 5 in debian/compat
[11:28] <DanielC> k
[11:29] <DanielC> done
[11:30] <LaserJock> DanielC: you might want to bump Standards-Version to 3.7.2 also
[11:30] <DanielC> Ok, but my system has <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:30] <LaserJock> but edgy won't :-)
[11:30] <DanielC> ah
[11:31] <DanielC> Are these standards version actually different?
[11:31] <LaserJock> debian/copyright
[11:31] <LaserJock> DanielC: not a whole lot
[11:32] <LaserJock> DanielC: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-policy/current/changelog is the changelog
[11:32] <DanielC> *click*
[11:33] <DanielC> Ok... these seem pretty minor. A lot are just typos.
[11:33] <LaserJock> DanielC: in copyright you need to include the GPL preample
[11:34] <DanielC> Ok.
[11:34] <DanielC> Does it matter where I put it?
[11:34] <LaserJock> yeah, that's why it isn't a big deal, but you might as well start with the latest Policy version
[11:34] <DanielC> I guess I'll put it just before the CC license.
[11:34] <LaserJock> DanielC: look at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0607071505/gtorrent-viewer-2.0b/debian/copyright
[11:34] <DanielC> *click*
[11:35] <DanielC> Ah... *that* preamble.
[11:36] <DanielC> Ok, done.
[11:37] <DanielC> I left the word "program" in although it doesn't really apply.
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:39] <LaserJock> just keep it as is
[11:39] <LaserJock> elmo might catch it
[11:39] <LaserJock> he has the GPL memorized
[11:39] <DanielC> Who is elmo?
[11:39] <LaserJock> James Troup
[11:40] <LaserJock> one of the archive admins
[11:40] <DanielC> ok
[11:40] <LaserJock> who will check the package over before it goes in
[11:40] <LaserJock> debian/rules
[11:41] <LaserJock> it seems odd that you are actually installing the docs in the binary-indep: rule rather than install:
[11:41] <DanielC> I admit I was just blindly copying from that python tutorial.
[11:42] <LaserJock> np
[11:42] <DanielC> I'm happy to move them.
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'd move dh_install to the install: rule
[11:43] <DanielC> Only dh_install  or  dh_install* ?
[11:43] <LaserJock> just dh_install
[11:43] <DanielC> Ok, I put it at the end, just after dh_installdirs
[11:49] <LaserJock> k, then rebuild the source package, use pbuilder to build the .deb and make sure that works as expected
[11:49] <LaserJock> dpkg -c on the .deb helps
[11:49] <LaserJock> and then re-upload to revu
[11:50] <DanielC> Ok, will do.
[11:50] <DanielC> What does -c do?
[11:50] <DanielC> The man page says "contents".
[11:51] <DanielC> Ok, so it lists the contents of the .deb.
[11:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:51] <LaserJock> that way you know files will go where you want them to :-)
[11:52] <DanielC> :)
[11:54] <DanielC> I must be doing something wrong. `sudo pbuilder -S -sa`  only prints the list of pbuilder flags (ie. it doesn't seem to recognize the options).
[12:02] <LaserJock> nope
[12:03] <DanielC> help?
[12:04] <DanielC> sorry if I'm being obtuse.
[12:04] <bddebian> sudo pbuilder -S -sa foo.dsc
[12:05] <DanielC> k
[12:05] <DanielC> thanks
[12:05] <bddebian> Oh WTF am I talking about
[12:05] <DanielC> :)
[12:05] <DanielC> Ok, I don't feel so bad now :)
[12:06] <LaserJock> debuild -S -sa will build the source package
[12:06] <bddebian> I usually do sudo dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa  on the package then sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc on the resulting.dsc file
[12:06] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you have an edgy pbuilder set up?
[12:06] <bddebian> Or debuild
[12:06] <DanielC> DanielC: I don't know how an edgy pbuilder is different from a regular pbuilder, so no.
[12:07] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you have any pbuilder set up? :-)
[12:07] <DanielC> yes
[12:07] <LaserJock> dapper?
[12:07] <DanielC> I used pbuilder to produce the files I uploaded the first time around.
[12:07] <DanielC> yes
[12:08] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you remember how you made it? from the Packaging Guide? or a wiki page?
[12:09] <DanielC> LaserJock: I think it was something someone said on #ubuntu-motu
[12:09] <DanielC> I didn't specify "edgy" at any point.
[12:10] <DanielC> I have source packages made with debuild.


[04:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: shtylman * r3498 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[04:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Limit width of side breadcumbs in kde for long translation text.
[04:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Using elided text where needed (LP: #438918)
[05:09] <rgreening> hey shtylman
[09:51] <arthur_l> hi all
[09:51] <davmor2> hello
[09:52] <arthur_l> on an installer when doing the partitionning of the dual boot option
[09:52] <arthur_l> the default size of the ubuntu partition is 2.5G
[09:52] <cjwatson> there's a bug about that, it's supposed to depend on the partition you're resizing to make room
[09:52] <arthur_l> is there a way of setting a bigger value in the preseed ?
[09:53] <arthur_l> the disk is 160G and the last partition has 80M of data on it
[09:53] <arthur_l> cjwatson: do you have a reference to that bug ?
[09:53] <cjwatson> not offhand, no
[09:53] <cjwatson> somewhere on ubiquity but that doesn't narrow it down much
[09:54] <cjwatson> I don't think the resizer is preseedable unfortunately, we just need to fix it
[09:54] <cjwatson> arthur_l: BTW which installer are you using, just to check?
[09:55] <arthur_l> jaunty ?
[09:55] <arthur_l> (am using remastersys)
[09:55] <cjwatson> no, which installer
[09:55] <cjwatson> text-mode, graphical, ...
[09:56] <cjwatson> alternate/desktop/whatever
[09:57] <arthur_l> graphical
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r229 trunk/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/install.py): (log message trimmed)
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * usbcreator/install.py:
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator:  - Do not copy /syslinux/syslinux.cfg to root of disk, no longer needed.
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator:  - Look at all files ending in .cfg under the syslinux directory when
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator:  updating configuration files based on the options selected in usb-creator.
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator:  - Strip tabs when parsing iso/syslinx config files to correctly identify
[10:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator:  commands in a syslinux config file that indents lines.
[10:30] <davmor2> meh today's image still has r153 on :(
[10:38]  * evand checks
[10:45] <evand> davmor2: I disagree :).  I just pulled down the Ubuntu 20091006 amd64 image and it has wubi r156
[10:45]  * evand kicks ubottu
[10:49] <davmor2> evand: Ah yeah my bag.  I was looking at the rev number on the remover D'oh
[10:53] <davmor2> evand: sorry to alarm you with that one :)
[10:54] <evand> no worries
[11:01] <davmor2> evand: locked up on 7%, text says scanning disks
[11:03] <CIA-33> debian-installer: ogra * r1184 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control): debian/control: move redboot-imx51-babbage to the bootloader section in the comments, run debian/genbuilddeps so the new build-dep gets actually picked up
[11:14] <davmor2> Right I'm going to try a fresh vista and try again
[11:56] <evand> davmor2: when you say locked up, do you mean completely, or can you ctrl-alt-f2?
[11:58] <davmor2> evand: I'm wondering if it might just be a bit of hiccup so I'm starting with a clean vista.  and only the install locked up
[12:09] <davmor2> evand: Ah fscking wubi.  Now locks up at 100% on text computing the new partitions....
[12:09] <evand> can you switch to a virtual terminal?
[12:09] <davmor2> evand: Nope
[12:10] <evand> lovely
[12:10] <davmor2> evand: can't bring up alt-f2 either
[12:10] <evand> alt-f2 wont work
[12:10] <evand> you're not in a gnome session
[12:11]  * davmor2 reboots to check the wubi log in vista
[12:11] <evand> does the mouse move?  do you have a flashing caps lock light?
[12:11] <evand> the wubi log isn't going to have anything relevant to it locking up at this point
[12:11] <davmor2> evand: mouse move, no flashing caps
[12:12] <evand> but you cannot get ctrl-alt-f2 to work?
[12:12] <davmor2> fortunately hadn't rebooted
[12:13] <davmor2> No I just tried a-c-F1->F6 none of them worked
[12:15] <evand> okay
[12:16] <davmor2> evand: I don't know if it's relevant but I'm getting a single flashing light from the hd,  once a second roughly and only for a split second.
[12:16] <davmor2> hd led I should say
[12:17] <evand> I don't suppose you have a serial cable, a serial port, and another computer with a serial port?
[12:19] <davmor2> no cable I don't think.  Give me a bit to rummage through my box of bits
[12:20] <evand> (I'm assuming this windows installation is on physical hardware and not in a virtual machine)
[12:22] <davmor2> evand: yeap
[12:26] <davmor2> evand: No lead sorry :(
[12:26] <evand> no worries
[12:35] <davmor2> evand: is it worth getting a lead?
[12:36] <evand> I can't say for certain.  If there is indeed a kernel panic here, and you have a serial port on both machines, it should allow us to capture it.
[12:49] <davmor2> evand: on a weird note I can switch to terminal just before it stops
[12:50] <evand> perhaps it's just me, but the latest daily live CD seems to be horrendously broken in partman-commit.
[12:51] <davmor2> evand: I haven't run any real tests.  That might explain the issues in wubi too would it?
[12:53] <davmor2> evand: I'm just running it an install on another box
[12:57] <davmor2> evand: detecting filesystems... I get a window popup that has a no entry sign and a bunch of ?s
[12:57] <evand> davmor2: are you able to log in quick enough to tail -f /var/log/kern.log? (for the wubi install)
[12:57] <evand> yeah, that's what I'm seeing as well
[12:58] <davmor2> evand: I can drop into terminal before it locks up yes
[12:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3499 ubiquity/debian/ (3 files):
[12:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Stop Upstart jobs when switching to runlevel 0 or 6, which I think fixes
[12:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: repeated respawns on shutdown (LP: #432140).
[13:02] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3500 ubiquity/debian/changelog: r3494 fixed LP: #441622
[13:05] <NCommander> I'm writing a new partman module for armel+dove to allow us to sanely support manual partitioning
[13:05] <NCommander> What's the best way to test said module once its compiled into a udeb
[13:08] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r706 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper): Merge from lp:~tormodvolden/casper/inspect-dm: Scan device-mapper (RAID) devices for live filesystem (LP: #385305).
[13:09] <cjwatson> NCommander: easiest way is to put it on a web server and write a little preseed file that fetches and udpkg -i's it in preseed/early_command
[13:09] <cjwatson> e.g. from an earlier test of mine:
[13:09] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/early_command string wget http://riva.pelham.vpn.ucam.org/~cjwatson/tmp/partman-lvm_66ubuntu2_all.udeb && udpkg -i partman-lvm_66ubuntu2_all.udeb
[13:10] <davmor2> evand: okay weirder.  If I drop into the terminal before it dies at 100% it continues through to 7% scanning disks and then the install dies.
[13:10] <cjwatson> NCommander: if you make the bzr branch owned by ~ubuntu-installer, I can (a) add you to that team (b) help
[13:10] <NCommander> cjwatson, I'm still assembling the udeb, but I think I need to be in the team before I can move a branch to it
[13:11] <NCommander> (I'm basically castrating partman-ext2r0 to do what I want, since its 90% of what I needed already)
[13:11] <davmor2> lunch
[13:11] <cjwatson> NCommander: added you
[13:11] <NCommander> cjwatson, thanks
[13:12] <cjwatson> NCommander: using another partman module as a base is normal enough - please use partman-ext2r0 from d-i svn as your base, though, as it converts to debhelper v7 and that'll save me doing it again to your branch. :)
[13:12] <cjwatson> (and no need to preserve the changelog from -ext2r0 or anything)
[13:14] <ogra> though castrating sounds scary ... if you make a mistake, doesnt it reproduce itself *with* that bug then ? :P
[13:19] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3501 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Save /var/log/installer/debug to the target system if it exists.
[13:23] <NCommander> cjwatson, argh, I already based off the source package >.<;
[13:23] <NCommander> cjwatson, can I just rip the debian folder from d-i svn?
[13:23] <cjwatson> just svn log and svn diff ...
[13:23] <NCommander> cjwatson, /me nods
[13:23]  * NCommander fails
[13:30] <NCommander> cjwatson, as a second note, we don't have working alternatives for the dove just yet. Is there an easy(ish) way to test with ubiquity :-)?
[13:31] <cjwatson> wah
[13:31] <cjwatson> uh, pain in excelsis
[13:31] <cjwatson> I don't suppose it's just a simple matter of programming to bring d-i up?
[13:32] <cjwatson> well. you *can* drop the source package into d-i/source/ and fiddle with d-i/lists/armel and ubiquity/ubiquity.install.armel or whatever the files are to get the bits installed
[13:32] <cjwatson> if it's not doing anything too complicated then that might work
[13:32] <cjwatson> if it is then you might have to extend ubiquity/components/partman.py too (avoid if possible)
[13:34] <NCommander> cjwatson, well, we need ubiquity in all cases :-/
[13:35] <NCommander> ^it in
[13:35] <NCommander> cjwatson, I might spend some cycles fixing the alternate cds
[13:35] <cjwatson> right, it's just a lot easier to bring it up in d-i first if at all possible
[13:37] <ogra> the d-i env should be working, shouldnt it ?
[13:37] <ogra> it will just not properly install
[13:38] <cjwatson> where does it fall over?
[13:39]  * ogra only knows that imx doesnt get past CD detection, but the netinst works far enough here to get to partman for testing
[13:42] <NCommander> cjwatson, d-cd just needs to be hit hard to pass the correct options so d-i can find its brain
[13:42] <NCommander> (try-usb isn't passed in)
[13:43]  * NCommander is trying to figure out how to regenerate the templates ...
[13:46] <cjwatson> debconf-updatepo
[14:01] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r29 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 4
[14:09] <evand> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286961/ is that target location okay by you?
[14:10] <cjwatson> evand: yeah, that should be fine
[14:10] <cjwatson> thanks for dealing with that
[14:11] <evand> ok cool
[14:11] <evand> sure thing
[14:17] <NCommander> cjwatson, pushed to lp:~ubuntu-installer/partman-uboot/ubuntu. Completely untested ATM
[14:24] <turtle4464> cjwatson, i have tried installing ubuntu 9.10 alphas 5 and 6 as well as the beta, but it crashes on the installation of grub 2 to the MBR
[14:25] <cjwatson> could I see the full logs plese?
[14:25] <cjwatson> please, rather
[14:26] <turtle4464> ummm, i pasted a pastebin of them in #grub channel last saturday morning, but i can't see the logs because it was from a livecd, are they kept online like ubuntu logs?
[14:27] <turtle4464> err one sec, my friend who i pasted them to is getting them for me
[14:29] <turtle4464> sorry cjwatson, still looking for the logs
[14:31] <turtle4464> cjwatson, here http://pastebin.ca/1590707
[14:33] <turtle4464> cjwatson, here is the second http://pastebin.ca/1590774
[14:36] <cjwatson> any particular reason you posted snippets of the logs rather than just the whole syslog file?
[14:37] <turtle4464> cjwatson, i only posted the part where the installer was trying to install grub, because thats where the installer crashed
[14:37] <cjwatson> I don't debug incomplete syslogs
[14:37] <turtle4464> does that log have anything useful?
[14:37] <cjwatson> it says that the dmraid set is broken
[14:37] <cjwatson> #
[14:37] <cjwatson> Oct  3 15:05:44 ubuntu ubiquity: ERROR: isw device for volume "Volume0" broken on /dev/sda in RAID set "isw_bgiiahbjbc_Volume0"
[14:37] <cjwatson> #
[14:37] <cjwatson> Oct  3 15:05:44 ubuntu ubiquity: ERROR: isw: wrong # of devices in RAID set "isw_bgiiahbjbc_Volume0" [1/2] on /dev/sda
[14:38] <cjwatson> it doesn't say why
[14:38] <turtle4464> yea, i don't really know what that means
[14:38] <cjwatson> it could be that the installer's failing to assemble it properly, or it could be genuinely broken. I can't tell, sorry
[14:38] <turtle4464> oh
[14:38] <turtle4464> could me having a second storage drive connected be affecting it?
[14:40] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't know; dmraid is just saying it's degraded, which would normally mean that one of the drives in the set is broken or missing
[14:40] <cjwatson> or misconfigured
[14:41] <turtle4464> i am not running raid at all, i don't even know how, there is 1 160GB OS drive which i let the installer use completely for the OS, and 1 1TB drive with just avi files
[14:42] <cjwatson> turtle4464: it looks like you have raid metadata on your disk though
[14:42] <cjwatson> of the inferior BIOS RAID variety, but that's probably not your fault :)
[14:42] <turtle4464> cjwatson, i've never run raid, at least not intentionally, ubuntu 9.04 installs fine, is there something else i could be doing?
[14:43] <cjwatson> no, what's probably happening is that now we have (slightly) better support for dmraid than we used to
[14:43] <cjwatson> but unfortunately your computer appears to be set up with the capability for dmraid, but it's only actually configured on one drive so the dmraid tools don't like it
[14:44] <turtle4464> O.O
[14:44] <turtle4464> this is generic hardware, intel dp35dp mobo, q6600
[14:44] <cjwatson> I don't need model numbers, thanks :)
[14:44] <cjwatson> it's a bug in grub-installer that it's trying to install to dmraid despite dmraid being broken
[14:44] <cjwatson> (the model numbers don't mean anything to me anyway. dmraid is a commodity feature)
[14:45] <turtle4464> ah
[14:45] <turtle4464> what can i do to fix it, really want to run new ubuntu :(
[14:45] <cjwatson> could you please file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+filebug?no-redirect, attaching those logs
[14:45] <cjwatson> and I'll see what we can do
[14:46] <turtle4464> would a hard wipe of the OS drive help, and disconnect the storage drive during installation?
[14:48] <cjwatson> actually, I'd rather we had the opportunity to fix this bug and use you as a test case :-)
[14:48] <turtle4464> :O
[14:48] <cjwatson> if you file a bug, you'll get notified when we fix it, and can then try the next daily build
[14:48] <turtle4464> this is my only computer though, will i have to be installing a new version all the time?
[14:48] <cjwatson> I think it should hopefully only take us one go
[14:49] <turtle4464> ok, lemme set up a launchpad account, or i don't suppose you could file it for me
[14:49] <cjwatson> well, if I do then you won't get notified automatically
[14:50] <cjwatson> I'm very bad at keeping track of things in my head, there's just too much
[14:50] <turtle4464> i'll bookmark the bug and check it hourly :P
[14:50] <turtle4464> lol
[14:50] <cjwatson> I think I do actually know what the problem is, I spotted it the other day
[14:51] <turtle4464> if you fix it, i'll send cake :D
[14:55] <turtle4464> cjwatson, could i test it in a virtual OS, so i wouldn't have to re-install everything?
[14:56] <cjwatson> not effectively
[14:56] <turtle4464> oh :<
[14:56] <turtle4464> do i still need to make the bug report, or do you already know how to fix it?
[14:56] <cjwatson> the problem is specific to your disk layout. A virtual OS would have a different disk
[14:56] <turtle4464> ah ok
[14:56] <cjwatson> please do file a bug
[14:56] <turtle4464> silly email registrations :(
[14:57] <cjwatson> I have a guess at a fix, which I'll arrange for you to be able to try out in tomorrow's daily build
[14:57] <cjwatson> (meeting now)
[14:57] <turtle4464> ok sure ty :)
[15:01] <cjwatson> (but a bug will still help, because that lets me attach the fix to it, which is useful for history)
[15:05] <turtle4464> ok, i'll make one now
[15:11] <turtle4464> cjwatson, what should i make the summary?
[15:15] <cjwatson> turtle4464: "grub-installer breaks on disks with dmraid metadata but only one disk"
[15:15] <cjwatson> or something like that
[15:15] <cjwatson> and you can just copy and paste this IRC log for a detailed description, if you like
[15:16] <turtle4464> i'll pastebin this IRC conversation
[15:18] <cjwatson> no need, there's a space in the bug filing form for a description, you can paste into that
[15:19] <turtle4464> oh sorry, here is the bug cjwatson https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/444583
[15:20] <cjwatson> thank you
[15:20] <turtle4464> np
[15:20] <turtle4464> thanks for helping me fix it
[15:24] <davmor2> evand: Right is there any point carrying on with this wubi testing if the partitioner is broke any way?
[15:27] <evand> not at the moment
[15:28] <CIA-33> installation-report: evand * r69 installation-report.ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/94save-logs):
[15:28] <CIA-33> installation-report: Write /cdrom/.disk/info to /var/log/installer/media-info
[15:28] <CIA-33> installation-report: (LP: #364649).
[15:38] <CIA-33> installation-report: evand * r70 installation-report/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.39ubuntu2
[15:54] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3502 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[15:54] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Write /cdrom/.disk/info to /var/log/installer/media-info
[15:54] <CIA-33> ubiquity: (LP: #364649).
[16:11] <CIA-33> grub-installer: cjwatson * r816 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[16:11] <CIA-33> grub-installer: Fix mishandling of loop variable that caused the semi-manual
[16:11] <CIA-33> grub-installer: dmraid/multipath/mdadm handling to fire even for disks that don't need
[16:11] <CIA-33> grub-installer: it (LP: #444583).
[16:13] <CIA-33> grub-installer: cjwatson * r817 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[16:13] <CIA-33> grub-installer: Never use the semi-manual GRUB setup code for GRUB 2, since it won't
[16:13] <CIA-33> grub-installer: work anyway.
[16:16] <CIA-33> grub-installer: cjwatson * r818 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.43ubuntu5
[16:47] <CIA-33> partman-base: evand * r168 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c):
[16:47] <CIA-33> partman-base: Use linux-swap(v1) instead of linux-swap(new) to reflect changes to
[16:47] <CIA-33> partman-base: parted.
[16:49] <evand> Is it sensible to also bump the version dependency on libparted?
[16:58] <cjwatson> why change that? you shouldn't need to
[16:58] <cjwatson> linux-swap(new) still works
[16:58] <cjwatson> or if it doesn't, it's a parted bug
[17:00] <cjwatson> and it'd be a parted bug I *really* want to fix
[17:46] <turtle4464> thanks cjwatson, so i guess i'll be OK to try the final of ubuntu 9.10?
[17:47] <cjwatson> turtle4464: I'd really like you to try tomorrow's daily build if you can
[17:47] <cjwatson> I'd like to have another opportunity to fix this in case this attempt failed ...
[17:47] <turtle4464> what time are they usually made at?
[17:47] <cjwatson> 8am-ish UK time
[17:48] <turtle4464> so 3 am my time
[17:48] <turtle4464> i work 9 am - 9 pm the next 3 days, so i'm not sure if i'll get a chance to test it, i'll give it a try tomorrow night though
[17:51] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[18:05] <turtle4464> cjwatson, just a quick question before i step out, will the daily cd from tomorrow be as stable as the beta, and since i assume it only comes in the alternate cd, how do i get logs off it to save if something goes wrong, and is it safe to use unetbootin to install it from a usb
[18:07] <cjwatson> turtle4464: in general daily builds aren't as stable as the beta - the reason I'm asking for a daily build is that it gives me an extra chance to fix things if it doesn't work
[18:07] <cjwatson> turtle4464: we do daily builds of the desktop CD too
[18:07] <cjwatson> turtle4464: I'm not familiar with unetbootin; we normally recommend usb-creator for USB installations (since we develop it)
[18:09] <turtle4464> cjwatson, its just on this page i only saw alternate cds http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[18:10] <turtle4464> sorry, i didn't see this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:13] <cjwatson> indeed
[18:18] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r717 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/resize.sh):
[18:18] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: Set prefsize in get_*resize_range functions; pass RAWPREFSIZE instead of
[18:18] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: RAWCURSIZE to ubiquity (preferred size instead of current size) and stop
[18:18] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: passing ORISIZE. This allows ubiquity to set sensible preferred sizes
[18:18] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: when resizing partitions (LP: #421407).
[18:19] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r718 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 72ubuntu2
[18:21] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3503 ubiquity/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
[18:21] <CIA-33> ubiquity: In the auto-resize bar, use the preferred partition size requested by
[18:21] <CIA-33> ubiquity: partman-auto/partman-partitioning, rather than hardcoding the maximum
[18:21] <CIA-33> ubiquity: size or making up our own (LP: #421407).
[18:26] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3504 ubiquity/debian/ (40 files in 2 dirs):
[18:26] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Update imported translations from gtk+2.0 2.18.1-1ubuntu1 (adds Asturian
[18:26] <CIA-33> ubiquity: and Bengali).
[18:33] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3505 ubiquity/ (155 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[18:40] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3506 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[18:40] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.41ubuntu2,
[18:40] <CIA-33> ubiquity: console-setup 1.34ubuntu4, flash-kernel 2.13ubuntu12, grub-installer
[18:40] <CIA-33> ubiquity: 1.43ubuntu5, partman-partitioning 72ubuntu2, partman-target 64ubuntu2.
[18:48] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3507 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.29
[19:50] <ElNerdoDeGeek> Hey, who should I get in touch with for a proposed (fairly major) Wubi feature?
[19:53] <ElNerdoDeGeek> Wow. This place has REALLY nice acoustics.
[20:10] <lool> cjwatson: Hi, I'd like your input on setting cdrom-detect/try-usb=true by default in armel images; either we add it to the kernel cmdline (easy but a tad ugly) or we add an arch-specific preseed file; do you think the latter is worthwhile or simply too much?  (Or we could also set try-usb by default on armel)
[20:52] <cjwatson> normally I'd prefer an architecture-specific preseed file, but preseeding is processed after cdrom-detect (unless you use initrd preseeding but why bother)
[20:53] <cjwatson> I think my recommendation would be to add it to the kernel command line for now
[21:57] <bdmurray> has anybody looked at bug 441242?
[22:29] <cjwatson> bdmurray: yes, it's on my list
[22:30] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, great
[22:30] <CIA-33> partman-base: cjwatson * r169 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 133ubuntu3
[22:42] <CIA-33> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r579 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog fstab.d/basic):
[22:42] <CIA-33> partman-basicfilesystems: Don't check NTFS at boot, since we have no fsck.ntfs right now
[22:42] <CIA-33> partman-basicfilesystems: (LP: #441242).
[22:45] <CIA-33> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r580 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 63ubuntu2
[22:47] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3508 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[22:47] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: partman-base 133ubuntu3,
[22:47] <CIA-33> ubiquity: partman-basicfilesystems 63ubuntu2.
[22:50] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3509 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.30
[22:57] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1184 ubuntu/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.31-12 kernels.
[22:59] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1185 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu65
[23:04] <CIA-33> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r682 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.70ubuntu2
[23:07] <CIA-33> cdrom-detect: cjwatson * r451 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.31ubuntu3
[23:42] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r707 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.199


 Hello. Can you help me with HiDPI somehow? I have 15'' laptop with 1920x1080. All elements are way too small. What can I do besides font size increase?
 Yes, it is. Resolution it's fine. I have HD and it detects as HD. I mean, i just want to make all interface bigger. HD is too small on 15'' for me.
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[17:09] <Wafficus> Hi there, question about autostart programs
[17:09] <Wafficus> for the "Add" button
[17:09] <Wafficus> do I have to specify the path of the specific program?
[17:10] <Wafficus> I compiled a program called "Cool Retro Term", and I'd like it to startup whenever I startup the computer
[17:11] <wxl> as a general rule, i'd advise specifying the full path but if it's in your default $PATH you should be fine, wafficus
[17:12] <Wafficus> so its compiled in a separate folder on my desktop
[17:12] <Wafficus> do I have to move the entire folder into somewhere on my /etc directory?
[17:12] <Wafficus> like its in a folder called "Cool Retro Term"
[17:12] <Wafficus> the current directory aka pwd is:
[17:13] <Wafficus> /home/sbpc/Desktop/cool-retro-term-master/cool-retro-term
[17:14] <wxl> so it's probably not in your path then
[17:14] <wxl> unless you see /home/sbpc/Desktop in $PATH
[17:14] <Wafficus> where should I move it to then if I want it in my path?
[17:14] <wxl> is it a standalone file?
[17:14] <Wafficus> ah so move it in a folder called "$PATH"?
[17:14] <Wafficus> eh more like a directory
[17:14] <wxl> do you have a ~/bin?
[17:14] <Wafficus> but yeah it has an executable file
[17:14] <wxl> $PATH is a variable
[17:15] <Wafficus> gotcha
[17:15] <wxl> do `echo $PATH`
[17:15] <wxl> a ~/bin is a good thing to have if you do a lot of scripts (i do a done)
[17:15] <wxl> s/done/ton/
[17:15] <wxl> so just mkdir ~/bin
[17:15] <Wafficus> echo $PATH:
[17:16] <wxl> and then in .bashrc add something like `export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin`
[17:16] <Wafficus> aha
[17:16] <Wafficus> I found bin
[17:16] <Wafficus> so should I move a copy of that directory in it
[17:17] <Wafficus> like
[17:17] <wxl> and then create a softline to your cool-retro-term like so: `ln -s $HOME/Desktop/cool-retro-term-master/cool-retro-term $HOME/bin/cool-retro-term`
[17:17] <Wafficus> move the entireity of it
[17:17] <wxl> note by ~/bin i DO NOT mean /bin
[17:17] <Wafficus> ah
[17:17] <Wafficus> well
[17:17] <Wafficus> I cd'd outside of my default directory
[17:17] <Wafficus> aka "sbpc"
[17:17] <Wafficus> and then on that top directory
[17:17] <wxl> you can move it in /bin if you want
[17:17] <Wafficus> I found /bin
[17:17] <Wafficus> would that mean I could execute it by name if i did that
[17:17] <wxl> it's just you have to sudo your way to it whcih is one extra step you don't necessarily need
[17:17] <Wafficus> like "cool-retro-term"?
[17:18] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[17:18] <Wafficus> hmm
[17:18] <Wafficus> dang
[17:18] <wxl> but if you did everything i mentioned above you could do the same thing without sudo
[17:18] <Wafficus> good point about sudo
[17:18] <Wafficus> ok lemme read what you said then one sec
[17:18] <Wafficus> appreciate it
[17:18] <wxl> np
[17:18] <wxl> to be clear we're creating a "bin" folder in your $HOME folder
[17:19] <wxl> and then we're adding that to your $PATH
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[17:19] <wxl> so that anything in that $HOME/bin folder can be executed directly without specifying the path
[17:19] <Wafficus> gotcha
[17:19] <Wafficus> but I have to ultimately pick
[17:19] <wxl> the final step is making a link from $HOME/bin to your folder
[17:19] <Wafficus> if I want bash to only point to that $HOME/bin folder right?
[17:19] <Wafficus> otherwise all other scripts will be screwed up right?
[17:19] <wxl> the value in that is that assuming that is under source control, you can continue to keep it updated without having to move things around all the time
[17:20] <Wafficus> link huh
[17:20] <Wafficus> maybe I'm too much of a newbie for now
[17:20] <Wafficus> here's an idea
[17:20] <wxl> the `export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin` basically says "add $HOME/bin to the end of the $PATH variable`
[17:20] <Wafficus> yeah
[17:20] <Wafficus> but then that's the default one from now one right?
[17:20] <wxl> so it's not going to screw anything up
 I have to idea how to google it...
[17:22] <Wafficus> I tried cp cool-retro-term-master/ $HOME
[17:22] <Wafficus> apparently that didn't work
[17:22] <wxl> you can do that too, but the way PATH works, it's not recursively searched
[17:22] <Wafficus> I just wanted to make a copy so I don't screw up
[17:22] <Wafficus> it was super hard to build this terminal emulator tbh
[17:22] <wxl> so you'd need to copy ONLY the executable into $HOME/bin/
[17:22] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[17:23] <wxl> if you had $HOME/bin/cool-retro-term-master/cool-retro-term you'd actually need to add $HOME/bin/cool-retro-term-master to your $PATH in order to run cool-retro-term without specifying the full path
[17:24] <wxl> actually that looks pretty easy to compile. you at least have all the build depends listed out for you :)
[17:24] <wxl> but if you're new to it compiling is just hard period
[17:25] <Wafficus> hey im back
[17:25] <Wafficus> so I created a bin directory under $HOME
[17:25] <Wafficus> placed cool-retro-term in there
[17:25] <Wafficus> so now I have to go to my bash rc file right?
[17:25] <wxl> edit $HOME/.bashrc
 Without scaling it work fine, look
[17:25] <wxl> btw what version of ubuntu are you on?
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[17:26] <wxl> *L*ubuntu sorry :)
[17:26] <Wafficus> hey back
[17:26] <wxl> btw what version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:26] <Wafficus> could you state what to do one more time
[17:27] <Wafficus> I wasnt in tmux again :/ so sorry
[17:27] <Wafficus> you said to edit the bash file right?
[17:27] <wxl> edit $HOME/.bashrc ...... but i just realized we might be able to do this a LOT easier. you know there's a PPA, right?
[17:27] <Wafficus> yeah I tried the ppa
[17:27] <Wafficus> it wasnt working tbh
[17:28] <wxl> what version you on?
[17:28] <wxl> (lubuntu)
[17:28] <Wafficus> idk tbh
[17:28] <Wafficus> probably most recent
[17:28] <wxl> `lsb_release -a`
[17:28] <Wafficus> 18.04.1 LTS
[17:29] <wxl> and how do you know the PPA didn't work?
[17:29] <Wafficus> I tried it a couple weeks ago tbh
[17:29] <wxl> i would really advise you use the PPA as it will keep itself updated and keep you from having to compile
[17:30] <wxl> `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:vantuz/cool-retro-term && sudo apt update && sudo apt install cool-retro-term` and you should be done
[17:30] <wxl> by the way i'm starting to envision the silly scheme you have in mind trying to autostart this thing XD
[17:31] <Wafficus> I can that sudo command
[17:31] <Wafficus> ran
[17:31] <Wafficus> waiting on terminal
[17:31] <Wafficus> well
[17:31] <Wafficus> once it gets the ppa correctly like you said
[17:31] <Wafficus> this might be easier tbh
[17:31] <wxl> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier
[17:32] <wxl> and all that path business is taken care of
[17:32] <Wafficus> true
[17:32] <Wafficus> I'm still pretty a beginner dev tbh
[17:32] <Wafficus> I've written some Python based webcraerpers
[17:32] <Wafficus> webscrapers
[17:32] <Wafficus> for my website, musimatic.net
[17:32] <Wafficus> its been fun though
[17:32] <wxl> neat
[17:33] <Wafficus> i'll be back in a sec
[17:33] <Wafficus> it didn't give me any errors
[17:33] <Wafficus> so i'll see if it worked
[17:33] <wxl> well if you want to contribute i'm sure we could find a place for you in lubuntu
[17:33] <Wafficus> ooh nice
[17:33] <wxl> we have a couple things we've built out of py
[17:33] <Wafficus> tbh
[17:33] <Wafficus> I've tried an open source project called Pybee so far
[17:33] <Wafficus> and I've ran a couple tests for them
[17:33] <Wafficus> but its been a day or two between responses on their Gitter
[17:33] <wxl> nice
[17:33] <Wafficus> after work that is you know
[17:33] <wxl> !info pybee
[17:34] <Wafficus> but yeah where could a beginner like me contribute to Lubuntu?
[17:34] <Wafficus> take a look at musimatic.net
[17:34] <Wafficus> see what I've done so far
[17:34] <Wafficus> and see if its worth while tbh
[17:34] <Wafficus> I appreciate the idea tbh
[17:34] <wxl> well, for one, join #lubuntu-devel and the mailing list is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:34] <Wafficus> ok, I'll do both
[17:35] <Wafficus> one sec I'll be back wxl
[17:35] <wxl> we'll probably need to teach you packaging but that's relatively simple
[17:35] <wxl> i'm working on a better tutorial
[17:38] <Wafficus> hi back
[17:38] <Wafficus> so I tried that ppa on their site
[17:38] <Wafficus> and "cool-retro-term" doesn't work
[17:38] <Wafficus> I saw a couple 404 errors during the install
[17:38] <Wafficus> hence the install on my end tbh
 @Marcelo Pugliesi [Ok], Thank you any way. After reboot it works (i hope) properly.
[17:39] <Wafficus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bugs-launchpad-net-falkensweb/cool-retro-term
[17:39] <Wafficus> sudo apt-get update
[17:39] <Wafficus> ^ that's what I did
[17:40] <wxl> not sure where you got that from
[17:41] <wxl> `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:vantuz/cool-retro-term && sudo apt update && sudo apt install cool-retro-term` and you should be done
[17:41] <wxl> NOT bugs-launchpad-net-falkensweb but vantuz
[17:41] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~vantuz/+archive/ubuntu/cool-retro-term
[17:42] <wxl> admittedly there is another ppa
[17:42] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~bugs-launchpad-net-falkensweb/+archive/ubuntu/cool-retro-term
[17:42] <wxl> but they don't publish anything for bionic
[17:43] <wxl> general advise: don't use ppa's unless they're recommended by the upstream developer
[17:45] <wxl> curiously that second ppa you mentioned is owned by tom chiverton who also added the link to the OTHER ppa (not his) upstream https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term/commit/7325835c3f6946c2bd701514052b237c6817ff71
[17:47] <wxl> ah here's the distinction: vantuz is for new releases and tom's is for old ones https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term/issues/442#issuecomment-383235604
[18:18] <Wafficus> hey im back
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[09:32] <grendal-prime> hello
[09:33] <Myrtti> hi
[09:33] <grendal-prime> anybody home?
[09:33] <grendal-prime> hi
[09:34] <grendal-prime> so...so far tonight..it has not been fun
[09:34] <grendal-prime> Myrtti, you know why im here
[09:34] <grendal-prime> the earthquake thing?
[09:36] <Myrtti> brb
[09:36] <grendal-prime> k
[09:36] <grendal-prime> take your time
[09:36] <Myrtti> right
[09:37] <grendal-prime> sooo have i already talked to you tonight under some other nic..or...are you really not knowing why im here?
[09:37] <Myrtti> no, actually I don't know why you are here, unless you're after a Ubuntu member cloak, or you've got some issues you'd like to be catalyzed with the Local Community IRC channel ops. Since your issue seems to be about #ubuntu guidelines, then it's not an issue of this channel, rather of #ubuntu-ops
[09:38] <grendal-prime> now ...just curiouse..how did you know that?
[09:39] <grendal-prime> because it would save time if you where someone i was talking to earlyer
[09:39] <Myrtti> no, I'm not someone you talked with earlier, because I just woke up.
[09:39] <grendal-prime> because im really not wanting to be a pain but
[09:39] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:39] <Myrtti> if you want to discuss the #ubuntu earthquake issue further, please take it to #ubuntu-ops - this is not the channel for it
[09:39] <grendal-prime> and...ok..ill just believe that..even though everything i have had happen tonight is really bizaar
[09:40] <grendal-prime> again..i just ...they really dont want to talk to me anymore
[09:40] <grendal-prime> nor can i even try and help anyone there.
[09:40] <grendal-prime> it just is..well bad
[09:40] <grendal-prime> but
[09:40] <grendal-prime> here is the thing...
[09:41] <grendal-prime> seriuosly...i asked one thing...if anyone in california had experienced a earthquake
[09:41] <grendal-prime> i gottold to take it somewhere else
[09:41] <Myrtti> ok, this is me being really polite
[09:42] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:42] <Myrtti> could you please take it to #ubuntu-ops, because here you are only venting and your issue isn't going to be solved
[09:42] <grendal-prime> they wont talk to me..i am seriosly going to talk to the fcc and they said it was your issue then
[09:43] <grendal-prime> sucis
[09:43] <grendal-prime> sucks
[09:43] <grendal-prime> anyway..you need to know a few things..
[09:43] <Myrtti> how do you know they won't talk to you?
[09:43] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: #Ubuntu-Ops would be the appropriate channel and they could discuss this with you
[09:43] <grendal-prime> i tried that
[09:43] <grendal-prime> hold on let me get logs
[09:44] <Myrtti> don't bother
[09:44] <bkerensa> Hmm? I'm in #Ubuntu-Ops and have not seen you join
[09:44] <Myrtti> I've got them
[09:45] <grendal-prime> ok well basically i was told to come here
[09:45] <Myrtti> er, that's not what my logs say
[09:45] <grendal-prime> look im really sorry..hu?
[09:45] <grendal-prime> hold on
[09:46] <Myrtti> I can see you being told to go to #freenode
[09:46] <Myrtti> which you did
 If you would like to debate this I'm not the one however you can address your concern in #Ubuntu-IRC or #Ubuntu-Ops and additionally can raise this with #Freenode which runs the network
[09:46] <grendal-prime> ive been everywere
[09:46] <bkerensa> Myrtti: Actually I did accidentally say -IRC (Its nearly 3am so I'm tired)
[09:47] <bkerensa> my error
[09:47] <grendal-prime> sorry
[09:47] <grendal-prime> didnt mean to keep you up
[09:47] <grendal-prime> honesty dude
[09:47] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: #Ubuntu-Ops has the ircops team and they are better equipped to discuss IRC Policies and such matters
[09:47] <Myrtti> er, no.
[09:47] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: I'm up by my own choice no need to apologize
[09:48] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:48] <grendal-prime> me 2
[09:48] <grendal-prime> well on call
[09:48] <grendal-prime> but i digress
[09:48] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-ops is the channel for the issues in core channels, such as #ubuntu, to be solved
[09:48] <grendal-prime> hey guys
[09:48] <grendal-prime> i can nip this in the bud
[09:48] <Myrtti> and while it has it's share of IRCops, the people who run freenode, in it, it's not their channel
[09:49] <grendal-prime> i dont want to be a pain in the ass.
[09:49] <grendal-prime> seriously..
[09:49] <grendal-prime> can we just deal with this here....
[09:49] <Myrtti> the other ops of #ubuntu are watching mainly #ubuntu-ops
[09:50] <Myrtti> if you want the issue to be properly dealt with, then join there
[09:50] <grendal-prime> they dont aparently like me'
[09:50] <grendal-prime> i have a solution
[09:50] <Myrtti> AND even if the issue would be dealt here, it would be dealt with by the SAME PEOPLE
[09:51] <Myrtti> but as of now you've been dealing with only one person
[09:51] <Myrtti> so again, I ask you kindly, please join #ubuntu-ops to discuss it.
[09:51] <grendal-prime> i had a feeling that was the case..buuut...sometimes just being in the right place...does the trick?
[09:51] <Myrtti> no.
[09:51] <elky> Myrtti, he's already been there, by the way, after being muted in #ubuntu
[09:52] <Myrtti> elky: yes, I know.
[09:52] <grendal-prime> who are you?
[09:52] <grendal-prime> i mean aka wise?
[09:53] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: who are you asking
[09:53] <elky> Earthquakes are not really the topic to deal with, and if they were, we'd probably care about the ones that actually killed people, such as the one in turkey
[09:53] <grendal-prime> elky
[09:53] <grendal-prime> i asked
[09:53] <grendal-prime> that was it
[09:53] <elky> Why does it matter?
[09:54] <grendal-prime> ive been in situations where it mattered
[09:54] <grendal-prime> live or death
[09:54] <grendal-prime> look
[09:54] <elky> If you were, you'd not be on IRC.
[09:54] <grendal-prime> i was
[09:54] <popey> This is a pointless waste of everyones time.
[09:54] <popey> In my humble opinion.
[09:54] <grendal-prime> no its not
[09:54] <grendal-prime> thats right
[09:54] <grendal-prime> for you
[09:55] <grendal-prime> simple solution
[09:55] <popey> There is no problem to solve.
[09:55] <grendal-prime> registerd channel...disaster
[09:55] <elky> A 5.2 quake is extremely rarely a life of death situation.
[09:55] <grendal-prime> all ops informed.. if it comes up...#disaster
[09:55] <elky> or whatever the californian one was.
[09:55] <bkerensa> =o
[09:56] <elky> ok we'll keep that in mind. Can we return to the regularly scheduled programming for *our* channels now?
[09:56] <grendal-prime> you guys..you are thinking backawards on this
[09:56] <elky> No. I live in an earthquake area. You're being silly.
[09:56] <grendal-prime> no i am not
[09:56] <Myrtti> if IRC had any FCC mandated job to inform IRC users about disasters around the world, it would probably be done as wallops messages in distinct servers
[09:57] <grendal-prime> its not a mandadte..dude...its a simple channel
[09:57] <grendal-prime> and some basic training
[09:57] <Myrtti> btw, there is a governmental body in Finland that requires emergency messages that involve Finns to be broadcast in Finnish radio and tv
[09:58] <grendal-prime> what is the problem with this
[09:58] <k1l> sry but i dont see a single point to ubuntu in this earthquake story
[09:58] <Myrtti> would you like your emergency channel to have emergency information that there is a bear roaming in Tampere and the people are adviced to stay indoors?
[09:58] <jpds> Dude, what does Ubuntu have to do about this?
[09:58] <grendal-prime> just a general place to share info that is focused on disaster
[09:58] <popey> We're out of coffee! Quick! Join #disaster!
[09:58] <grendal-prime> thing about what i costs and what it could do.
[09:58] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: great, start that channel.
[09:59] <grendal-prime> you want ME to bot it?
[09:59] <jpds> grendal-prime: You're the one suggesting it.
[09:59] <Myrtti> please don't advertise it in our channels though, Ubuntu channels shrug on advertising
[09:59] <k1l> there are thousands of channel in this irc network and you choose a supportchannel to talk about a earthquake. when you were pointed to a more related offtopic channel you get rude. sry but the mistake is not on the others
[09:59] <grendal-prime> dude
[10:00] <grendal-prime> i was in the cahnnel just joined..
[10:00] <elky> grendal-prime, if you really want to deal with disaster stuff, google for ushahidi
[10:00] <grendal-prime> and wham thought i was in an earthquake
[10:00] <bkerensa> =o
[10:00] <grendal-prime> i asked if anyone else flet it. and got told to take it else where
[10:00] <elky> it's an open source crowdsourcing coordination system. it's a *far* more appropriate place for you to panic in
[10:00] <grendal-prime> not...#earthquake
[10:01] <k1l> grendal-prime: did you get banned or muted or whatever for the one line about the earthquake?
[10:01] <grendal-prime> it escalted
[10:01] <k1l> or about the rudeness and the story after the line
[10:01] <grendal-prime> im sure its all logged
[10:01] <elky> grendal-prime, I'm trying to help you here. There's 500 dead turks and I don't see their compatriots here demanding attention from us. Go look up ushahidi
[10:01] <k1l> grendal-prime: so stop talking about earthquake and start thinking on your behaviour.
[10:02] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: You can always develop a crowdsource app of your own and make a PPA... Make a indicator even that people can install and it will blink when a earthquake occurs
[10:02] <grendal-prime> i was trying to get info..the person that told me to leave i had no idea who they were others where talking to me i told them to shut up
[10:02] <grendal-prime> grrr
[10:03] <elky> I'm telling you to stop now. I've given you alternatives. I've categorically expressed that you are in the wrong place to be talking about this.
[10:03] <grendal-prime> you guys are really not interested in any way of supprting an emergency broadcast channel?
[10:03] <grendal-prime> because here is what im thinking
[10:03] <Myrtti> I live in Finland
[10:03] <grendal-prime> ok
[10:03] <Myrtti> our earthquakes are on the magnitude of 2.0 Richter
[10:03] <grendal-prime> does that matter in some what
[10:03] <Myrtti> if even that
[10:03] <elky> grendal-prime, you're not even interested in listening to our advice. THERE IS SUCH  A THING ALREADY
[10:03] <grendal-prime> way?
[10:03] <Myrtti> I'm not interested in earthquakes, they do not happen.
[10:04] <grendal-prime> one happendd in turky
[10:04] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: it doesn't threaten my life
[10:04] <elky> Yes. And I'm sure the ushahidi people are working on it
[10:04] <grendal-prime> and so...everthing that happens here is ...you?
[10:06] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: I'm trying to explain to you that I have no interest in the earthquake in Turkey or Sacramento enough to warrant inventing a new wheel you are suggesting
[10:06] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: ushahidi is enough if I ever encounter a disaster bad enough
[10:07] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: however, no matter what natural disaster I end up in, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[10:07] <topyli> i wouldn't be so sure! :)
[10:08] <elky> grendal-prime, listen closely. The ubuntu channels are the wrong place to discuss this. There is already a big international community that makes ushahidi. It's worked for haiti, christchurch, japan and others. Please, go help them.
[10:08] <elky> I'm going to count to 10 and I'm going to unmute you. You're not going to continue at all, and rather you're going to leave politely and go seek out ushahidi.
[10:11] <grendal-prime> hellow?
[10:15] <jpds> 25
[10:39] <grendal-prime> sorry went to sleep
[10:39] <grendal-prime> is freenode in the us?
[10:39] <ikonia> ask in #freenode
[11:37] <Mkaysi> 14 servers in Europe, 9 in the US according to http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml


[06:45] <Bebef> MrAureliusR: I am the one who decides when to have an ssh key permanently unlocked in the memory, not my GUI. I don't want to be forced to put an ssh key into an agent every single time I use it.  Noo sire!
[06:46] <Bebef> MrAureliusR: Apart from that it seemed to break things like Ansible.