[00:12] <owh> Running gutsy, trying to figure out why this morning I'm seeing "Cannot start TLS: handshake failure" in my mailq - there have been no changes on my end that I'm aware of - as in, I've not changed configs or updated any software. Of course 12 hours ago it was all working fine. Suggestions?
[00:12] <owh> Hmm, you should know that I'm connecting to smtp.gmail.com.
[00:13] <mathiaz> owh: there is an issue with gmail and an expired certificate
[00:13] <owh> Wonderful.
[00:13] <mathiaz> owh: http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Announcements-and-Alerts-en/browse_thread/thread/0948f4f8b9ddb496/b7c9c363eecb3f32?show_docid=b7c9c363eecb3f32
[00:14] <owh> Merci
[00:14] <owh> Hmm, that says that it's fixed :(
[00:31] <owh> Just in case anyone wondered if I fell off the planet. These meetings at 1500 UTC are waay past my bedtime. It's not that I've lost interest, far from it, but I cannot get there at that time. I'm not going to suggest that you move the meeting time, but I just thought you might be wondering.
[01:28] <thenewguy> do you guys know how i can change PHP settings on a per directory basis?
[01:28] <thenewguy> inst there a way to place local php.ini files
[01:29] <nxvl> kirkland: around?
[02:13] <tlsarles> I was wondering about the basics of clustering. Does this happen at the kernel level, or application? My goal is to have redundant apache servers for load balance and failover. Anyone got any pointers, or good articles on the basics of doing this?
[03:01] <compubomb> can ubuntu server install jfs as a default file system in it's file system manager app ?
[03:06] <hads> Haven't installed a server on bare metal for a while so I'm not sure but the desktop can so I don't see why not.
[03:08] <compubomb> an you use the desktop install for the server, then somehow change the apt-get source file ?
[03:10] <hads> You could if you really wanted to but you'd end up with a load of cruft. Wht not use the server CD?
[03:44] <jonesy> I'm sort of shopping for a project to contribute to. Is there an ubuntu server project that anyone knows of that is primarily written in Python?
[03:44] <jonesy> preferably one with mentorship available :)
[04:03] <sommer> jonesy: you might check out rapache: https://launchpad.net/rapache
[04:04] <jonesy> ok, thanks
[06:12] <deadlyallance691> i am kind of a newb to linux and was thinking could i install the ubuntu server 64bit base system then add the dreamlinux repos and install the dreamlinux desktop environment so as to end up with a 64 bit dreamlinux?
[09:22] <kraut> moin
[10:30] <mdz> soren: does the server seed exist now?  where can I find it?
[10:31] <soren> mdz: No, it's blocked on a tasksel bug, that I've not yet had time to look at.
[10:39]  * soren goes back to being on holiday
[11:43] <compubomb> how do i get ipkungfu service to auto-load ?
[11:44] <_ruben> sudo update-rc.d ipkungfu defaults
[11:47] <compubomb> _ruben: it says already exists
[11:48] <compubomb> problem is, when i booted up my system, ip's were not being forwarded untill i ran ipkungfu --no-caching
[11:49] <_ruben> dunno then, never used ipkungfu
[11:49] <compubomb> _ruben: it's an awesome firewall
[11:50] <compubomb> _ruben: it's probably the easiest firewall ever to run :P
[11:50] <compubomb> you just set like 8 script variables and you are ready to go.
[11:50] <Deeps> frontend to iptables
[11:50]  * _ruben prefers to write his own frontends for iptables
[11:52] <compubomb> anyways.. this is a bit frustrating
[11:52] <compubomb> btw, my ipkungfu script it not in rcS.d/
[11:53] <compubomb> is that why ?
[11:53] <_ruben> it oughta be in /etc/init.d/ i'd say
[11:54] <compubomb> _ruben: it is.
[11:54] <compubomb> _ruben: but it didn't load up when i rebooted ubuntu.
[11:54] <compubomb> so you tell me.
[11:54] <compubomb> i haven't a clue.
[11:54] <Deeps> /etc/init.d/ipkungfu start
[11:54] <Deeps> if that doesn't do it, then the problem's in your configuration and/or it's init script
[11:54] <Deeps> becaue thats what's being run on reboot
[11:57] <compubomb> Deeps: that works.
[11:57] <compubomb> Deeps: the init.d script works
[11:58] <compubomb> but how come i had to rerun my inet script, i don't think it loaded.
[11:58] <compubomb> btw, how do you get ubuntu to boot up in verbose mode ?
[14:20] <EtienneG> any users of Likewise Open noticed that new group membership do not show up on the Ubuntu side until the winbind cache is refreshed with "lwimsg winbind brl-revalidate" ?
[14:20] <EtienneG> is that a known behavior ?  (bug ?)
[14:20] <EtienneG> I am wondering if it is a problem in my setup ... doubtful, as it is pretty vanilla
[14:23] <sommer> EtienneG: new group as in new AD group?
[14:24] <sommer> EtienneG: does the winbind cache get refreshed when logging out and back in?
[14:26] <EtienneG> sommer, yeah, new group in AD
[14:27] <EtienneG> I will try logging out/in again, but I doubt this is related
[14:28] <sommer> EtienneG: well I was thinking along the lines that if you join a new Linux group you need to log out and back in for the new permissions to work... or refresh your environmnet, but I always forget the commands
[14:28] <sommer> EtienneG: so basically I'd think the same would hold true for AD groups
[14:29] <EtienneG> sommer, I see, but that is not what i was thinking
[14:29] <EtienneG> basically, I am looged in as a local Unix user (from /etc/passwd), and doing groups/id/getent
[14:29] <sommer> EtienneG: even from a windows client don't you have to log out and back in for new groups?  been a while since I've admined an AD domain
[14:30] <EtienneG> but now it seem to work without invalidating the winbind cache, so it must be good
[14:31] <sommer> heh, interesting
[14:31] <EtienneG> the problem was probably transient, maybe winbind need to be restarted/reloaded at least once after installation to work properly
[14:32] <sommer> maybe... windows clients need to restart after joining a domain :-)
[14:38] <EtienneG> ok, I have isolated the behavior to new AD group
[14:39] <EtienneG> 1. create new group, 2. add member to group, 3. id and groups user on the Ubuntu side do not show member to newgroup, but getent group newgroup do show user as member
[14:41] <EtienneG> even invalidating the winbind cache or restarting likewise-open does not work
[14:42]  * EtienneG scratch head
[14:47] <ahasenack> EtienneG: nscd running?
[14:47] <EtienneG> ahasenack, this spawn of the devil?  never!
[14:47] <ahasenack> :)
[14:48] <EtienneG> but good catch nonetheless, that's exactly the behavior i would have expected from nscd  :)
[14:48] <ahasenack> EtienneG: id does enumerate all groups in order to find the members
[14:48] <ahasenack> EtienneG: I believe winbind has that disabled now (group and user enumeration)
[14:48] <EtienneG> ahasenack, which is probably the problem indeed
[14:48] <ahasenack> could that be it?
[14:49] <ahasenack> getent group <groupname> does a direct call, so it's no enumeration
[14:49] <EtienneG> let me check how it work if I log on as the user in question in question ...
[14:49] <ahasenack> groups also does enumeration
[14:49] <ahasenack> you can quickly check by enabling enumeration in smb.conf and retrying
[14:49] <EtienneG> (in question in question in question in question .... damn caffeine!)
[14:50] <EtienneG> I think it would need to be changed in /etc/samba/lwiauthd.conf instead, I do not have a smb.conf (yet)
[14:50] <ahasenack> hmm, whatever winbind is using
[14:50] <ahasenack> I never used likewise-open
[14:51] <EtienneG> ok, group membership show correctly when I log on as the user
[14:51] <EtienneG> I will brush it off then
[14:52] <emgent> soren: ping
[14:52] <ahasenack> I once patched id to use getgrouplist(3) instead of group enumeration to find the members, but never submitted it
[14:52] <ahasenack> shame on me
[15:03] <EtienneG> ahasenack, how does id do group enumeration?  initgroup(), something else ...
[15:04] <ahasenack> EtienneG: setgrent(3),  getgrent(3) in a loop for each group, and endgrent(3) at the end
[15:04] <ahasenack> EtienneG: it lists all groups and looks in each group if the user is a member
[15:05] <ahasenack> EtienneG: so, besides enumerating all groups, you also enumerate all members
[15:05] <EtienneG> ahasenack, basically, it walk trhough the entire group database, right ?
[15:05] <ahasenack> yes
[15:05] <ahasenack> recent nss_ldap even has a config option to not return the members in a getgrid() call, for example, to try to avoid that traffic if all you want is the group gid
[15:06] <EtienneG> ok, that is kinda good
[15:06] <ahasenack> and prone to break a lot of apps :)
[15:06] <ahasenack> samba has an option to bypass nss completely when used with ldap
[15:06] <EtienneG> ok, i see, indeed
[15:07] <EtienneG> I noticed such a problem recently, where dbus-daemon is calling initgroup()
[15:08] <EtienneG> if you have set nss_ldap to "bind_policy hard" (which is correct, IMHO), it will block at boot if the LDAP directory is unreachable
[15:09] <EtienneG> IIUC, that is what led to the nss_initgroups_minimumuid hackery right before release
[15:09] <EtienneG> in the use case I had, it was not possible to do, as there was many 10K users, and you cannot make the nss_initgroups_ignoreuid that long ... :(
[15:51] <zul> jdstrand: ping
[15:51] <jdstrand> zul: pong
[15:52] <zul> jdstrand: was mathiaz going to do the openldap sru upload or was i?
[15:52] <jdstrand> zul: you are doing SRU, mathiaz is doing intrepid
[15:52] <zul> jdstrand: ok :)
[15:53] <jdstrand> at least that was my understanding
[15:53] <zul> jdstrand: ill get to it this afternoon hopefully :)
[15:54] <jdstrand> EtienneG: you had 10K users that you wanted to ignore?
[15:55] <jdstrand> EtienneG: that option was really meant for system groups, and perhaps some admins with low uids
[15:56] <jdstrand> EtienneG: so the system would at least get to the login prompt. at that point, the admin can make some decisions about what to do for logins (eg, don't let 'em, use some sort of cache, ...)
[15:56] <EtienneG> jdstrand, that make sense indeed!
[15:56] <EtienneG> but no, I was not expecting to ignore a couple 10K users
[15:56] <jdstrand> :)
[15:56] <EtienneG> no worry!  :)
[15:57] <zul> EtienneG: you ignore users? shame on you...:)
[15:57] <EtienneG> was someone talking to me?
[15:58] <zul> EtienneG: never mind :)
[15:59] <EtienneG> :D
[16:22] <jordancason> hay guys im trying to password protect my server and i have a problem with spaces in the dir so how do i go about doing this <Directory /var/www/this dir has spaces>
[16:23] <sysdef> ls /var/www/this\ dir\ has\ spaces
[16:24] <sysdef> ls "/var/www/this dir has spaces"
[16:28] <zul> mathiaz: there is a new openldap sitting on MoM waiting for so summer lovin'
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: right - IIRC the changelog is not so big
[16:29] <zul> man now I have that song in my head
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: and there will be another upload with cn=config support
[16:29] <jordancason> thanks but that does not work within the diretory tab <Directory /var/www/this dir has spaces > </Directory>
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: so there is no point in merging this version
[16:30] <zul> mathiaz: nifty
[16:30] <zul> also can we merge the bugs for openldap2.3 and openldap?
[16:32] <mathiaz> zul: yes - I started to work on that too
[16:32] <mathiaz> zul: all of the openldap2.2 (dapper) bugs have been done
[16:32] <zul> cool
[16:32] <mathiaz> zul: openldap2.3 may require to be copied (instead of moved) to openldap as it may still affect hardy
[16:33] <mathiaz> zul: OTOH some of them may be close for openldap2.3 as they won't be included in an SRU
[16:49] <kirkland> dendrobates: mathiaz: looks like we're going to need an open-iscsi udeb package for the installer
[16:49] <mathiaz> kirkland: isn't there such a package already ?
[16:50] <mathiaz> kirkland: I remember seing an entry in the changelog refering to a udeb
[16:50]  * kirkland checks
[16:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: damn, you're right again :-)
[16:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: another question about lsb-base:status_of_proc() .... could that go into hardy-backports?  another question from superm1
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: I don't think so - It doesn't really fit the SRU critiria
[16:57] <ogra> kirkland, -backports isnt really tied to the distro
[16:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: oh - -backports
[16:57] <ogra> so usually everything that builds can go in there
[16:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - it can go there
[16:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm not sure if it's worth doing it though
[16:58] <ogra> you would need the backports team to approve it ... ScottK is on that team afaik
[16:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, thanks....  he was willing to take the init script patches for mythtv* only *IF* he could make it backport available
[16:58] <kirkland> ogra: cool, thanks for the pointer
[16:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - if he wants to do the -backport procedure, that's great
[16:58] <ScottK> kirkland: File a bug in hardy-backports (I assume we're discussing Hardy) and ping me.
[16:59] <kirkland> ScottK: yes, hardy, thanks, will do.
[16:59] <mathiaz> kirkland: I don't see why taking the init script patches in intrepid is tied to accepting a hardy backport
[17:10] <mathiaz> Koon: wrt to bug 253032 - you may wanna checkout the Gnome User Interface guide
[17:11] <mathiaz> Koon: or one of the debian manuals - IIRC there is a section about naming entries in the menu
[17:16]  * delcoyote hi
[17:21] <jmazaredo> are there like audit software for email to see what text, attachment, date it was sent server side
[17:26] <nandersson> Which is the best webmail found in Ubuntu main? Is squirrelmail the only way to go or is there a better solution?
[17:27] <jmazaredo> fastest and easy i think
[17:27] <jmazaredo> for noob like me ;)
[17:29] <Nafallo> nandersson: none? :-)
[17:29] <Nafallo> we don't have webmail in main
[17:29] <Nafallo> at least not as far as I'm aware.
[17:29] <nandersson> Nafallo, my bad - I meant in universe
[17:30] <nandersson> I've used Squirrelmail this far, but I wanted to know if there where any other options I was not aware about
[17:30] <Nafallo> nandersson: roundcube?
[17:30] <jmazaredo>  can i log "all" things that happen mail server? including all messages and attachments that will be stored in a folder for future reference?
[17:32] <nandersson> Nafallo, That looked quite neat :)
[17:32] <Koon> mathiaz: ok, thx for the pointer
[17:35] <sommer> jdstrand: just pinged slangasek about kerberos_example auth-client-config profile, and this one worked great: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32255/
[17:36] <sommer> jdstrand: a system user can have the same password as the kerberos principal and receive a ticket
[17:36] <sommer> jdstrand: and the ccreds work as well
[18:02] <eikke> does anyone happen to have a build of dovecot-antispam for x86_64?
[18:04] <eikke> or does anyone have a 64bit machine where it could be built? :)
[18:04] <gouki> Any ideas of an appliance to create a centralized address book with support to a web interface? (ldap powered)
[18:18] <ivoks> sommer: can i add some additional chapters to guide?
[18:19] <sommer> ivoks: absolutely
[18:19] <sommer> what did you have in mine?
[18:19] <sommer> er mind
[18:20] <ivoks> sommer: and, forgive me cause i'm clueless, how do i edit this files? :D
[18:20] <ivoks> redhat-cluster-suite
[18:21] <sommer> ivoks: mathiaz wrote up a great guide to getting started with the serverguide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#head-0ae127e06ffba31c94b458fbef6eb033e5d8461e
[18:22] <sommer> basically the serverguide is DocBook xml files, so once you check them out of bzr you can edit them, then make a diff and send it to the doc ml
[18:22] <ivoks> right... with vim? :)
[18:22] <ivoks> i hate xml :/
[18:23] <sommer> vim works, but the spelling didn't work so great for me so I switched to gedit
[18:23] <sommer> basically whatever your comfortable with
[18:23] <ivoks> ok, i tought i need some special editor
[18:23] <ivoks> like conglomerate
[18:23] <sommer> ya xml isn't the greatest, but there really isn't that many tags
[18:24] <ivoks> ok... i'll try and see how it goes
[18:24] <ivoks> thanks
[18:24] <sommer> ivoks: that's awesome, if you have any questions just let me know
[18:33] <arakthor> There are some messages appearing in message kern.log syslog that I don't understand - would anyone be able to take a quick peek at it? http://www.pastebin.ca/1087362
[18:36] <jdstrand> sommer: awesome-- I'll update the file and push it out
[18:36] <jdstrand> sommer: thanks! :)
[18:36] <sommer> jdstrand: welcome, and thank you
[18:37] <sommer> auth-client-config is a great tool :)
[18:37] <jdstrand> sommer: glad you like it :)
[18:40] <jdstrand> sommer: are you using libpam-krb5 or libpam-heimdal (I assume the former)
[18:40] <jdstrand> ?
[18:41] <sommer> jdstrand: yes libpam-krb5
[18:41] <sommer> since it's in main
[18:41] <sommer> or mit kerberos is in main
[18:44] <jdstrand> sommer: right-- I found it interesting that the options you used are all the same (the one in acc was actually tested with heimdal)
[18:45] <jdstrand> sommer: so it's good to know that it'll work either way :)
[18:46] <sommer> cool, I actually started with heimdal and it's somewhat easier to work with IMHO
[18:46] <sommer> mit isn't that bad though
[18:47] <sommer> jdstrand: so are you going to rename it from "kerberos_example" ?
[18:48] <jdstrand> sommer: well, I wasn't planning on it... I suppose I could. I'd like to see what happens with the 'uncomplicated directory services' stuff that's going on...
[18:49] <sommer> jdstrand: sure that makes sense, I was just thinking of the lac_ldap profile
[18:50] <jdstrand> sommer: yes-- but that is supplied by ldap-auth-config
[18:50] <sommer> I guess "example" kind of gives the impression that it may not work as you'd expect
[18:50] <sommer> either way, not a big deal
[18:50] <jdstrand> acc doesn't really dictate policy-- just a way to switch stuff around
[18:51] <jdstrand> sommer: I figure once the directory services is worked out, a profile could be provided be one of those packages
[18:51] <jdstrand> s/be/by/
[18:51] <jonesy> score 1 for ubuntu-server. I just booted it for the first time ever and it doesn't launch a gui.
[18:51] <jonesy> ubuntu-server++
[18:52] <sommer> jdstrand: so is 'uncomplicated directory services' going to be a utility like ufw?
[18:52] <sommer> jdstrand: or is it more of a project codename for all the ldap integration stuff
[18:52] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[18:52] <jonesy> I have some directory services ideas based on an Ubuntu talk I heard at oscon, but I'm not sure how far they'll get.
[18:52] <Fenix|work> I'm looking for a RAID driver for a PERC/CERC ATA100/4ch card
[18:53] <jdstrand> sommer: it was something soren coined-- it's not official or anything-- but it's all based on what we talked about at UDS
[18:53] <Fenix|work> lspci shows the card as :: RAID bus controller: American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID (rev02)
[18:53] <Fenix|work> but megaraid doesn't work
[18:53] <Fenix|work> any suggestions (besides not using a Dell box) :)
[18:53] <jdstrand> sommer: basically, deploying a directory server should be as simple as a LAMP stack, and then make client configuration just as easy
[18:54] <sommer> jdstrand: awesome, I totally agree... I think that could be the 'killer app' for ubuntu server
[18:54] <sommer> or the app that becomes the reason to deploy an ubuntu server on your network
[18:55] <jdstrand> sommer: me too-- it's been a long time coming in the free software world
[18:55] <jonesy> jdstrand++  I'd love to see some kind of DS subsystem pre-installed. Admins new to it would be able to get up to speed if they had something preinstalled they could interact with and poke at.
[18:55] <jdstrand> there's a blueprint somewhere-- I think mathiaz is heading it up
[18:56] <jonesy> It should be in the installer next to "DNS Server" and "LAMP Server"
[18:56] <jonesy> this way you don't have it installed on every box -- just the one acting as the directory server.
[18:56] <jdstrand> jonesy: I think that's the plan, or at least a very similar experience
[18:57] <jonesy> that'd be nice. What's the DS philosophy in ubuntu? Is it strict kerberos/ldap, or can you say "I want NIS"?
[18:57]  * jonesy doesn't want nis, for the record
[18:58] <jdstrand> jonesy: I'm most confident we won't have NIS, but I think the plan is to support ldap for both authorization and authentication, and also kerberos authentication with ldap authorization
[18:58] <jonesy> just so I understand, if ubuntu were to create, say, a stupid-easy interface for setting up and managing ldap services (perhaps even federated, remote servers), would that be submitted upstream for use by the rest of the open source community?
[18:59] <jdstrand> jonesy: it's all open source, so anyone can grub it and use it
[18:59] <jonesy> because I've used both openldap and FDS extensively, and I'd love to see an optional GUI on top of openldap while still maintaining the CLI interface.
[18:59] <jdstrand> grab it
[18:59] <jonesy> grab, grub, what's the difference, really. We're all digital hippies here.
[18:59] <jonesy> ;-P
[19:00] <jdstrand> jonesy: keep in mind, all this is in the planning stages with some backend work happening as well
[19:00] <jonesy> really? Where? Maybe some of my ideas can still be heard!
[19:00] <jdstrand> jonesy: but I believe the first steps are to get a good CLI experience, maybe with good integration with 'adduser' and friends
[19:01] <jonesy> yeah, that'd be nice too.
[19:01] <jdstrand> jonesy: then look at integrating some sort of gui-- I know the FDS frontend has been looked at, but don't know the status
[19:01] <jonesy> I've used it. I'm not a fan, really.
[19:02] <jdstrand> jonesy: IIRC, it's fairly tied to the FDS backend, but I haven't looked at it
[19:02] <jonesy> the features of it are actually nice, but it's all java, and so it's kinda flaky and slow (last I used it), and it was impossible to launch using, say, 'ssh -Y'
[19:02] <jdstrand> it may be able to be decoupled
[19:02] <jonesy> really? I thought it was going to use openldap! Interesting news!
[19:02] <jdstrand> jonesy: hence the 'good CLI experience' :)
[19:03] <jonesy> I'm agnostic. I hate the openldap community, but I like the tool, and I hate the FDS monstrosity, but love their community.
[19:03] <jdstrand> jonesy: I think you misunderstood
[19:03] <jdstrand> jonesy: Ubuntu will use openldap
[19:03] <jonesy> whoops
[19:03] <jonesy> oh
[19:03] <jdstrand> FDS gui is fairly tightly integrated with the FDS backend-- I was saying it might be possible to decouple it
[19:03] <jonesy> oh.
[19:04] <jonesy> wow.
[19:04] <jdstrand> but I am only on the periphery of these discussions, so I may not have the most up to date information :)
[19:04] <jonesy> Might be easier to write a new one, to be honest. The GUI in FDS, iirc, is integrated not only with the "backend" (a nebulous concept in FDS by itself), but also the web-based org trees and some other stuff.
[19:05] <jonesy> it also uses the mozilla certdb rather than simple flat files referenced in the config like in openldap
[19:05] <jonesy> and... did I mention it's java, and slow and flaky? ;-P
[19:05] <jdstrand> like, I said, it was looked at as on option-- so was developing a gui
[19:05] <jonesy> no offense to java gui developers.
[19:06] <jonesy> gotcha
[19:06] <jdstrand> I don't think any decisions have been made on that front
[19:06] <jonesy> can I join some list or chan about this stuff?
[19:06] <jdstrand> jonesy: have you participated in the ubuntu-server meetings?
[19:06] <jonesy> no, I'm completely new to ubuntu-server, though not unix/linux.
[19:06] <jonesy> I heard some things that got me interested at oscon.
[19:07] <jdstrand> jonesy: the mailing list is ubuntu-server (https://lists.ubuntu.com/)
[19:07] <jonesy> ...where the linux track should've really just been called the ubuntu track.
[19:07] <jdstrand> jonesy: I recommend you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
[19:07] <jonesy> oh, ok. I thought all this stuff would be a subproject with its own list. I'll join the ubuntu-server list. Thanks.
[19:07] <jonesy> I believe I looked at that, but will look again.
[19:08] <jdstrand> there's all kinds of info, including the next meeting and agenda
[19:09] <jonesy> yeah, this is not what I saw. Reading now.
[19:09] <jonesy> thanks
[19:09] <jdstrand> np
[19:09] <jonesy> what does "ubuntu server team LP" mean?
[19:10] <jonesy> from here --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved
[19:10] <sommer> jonesy: that's the ubuntu server Launch Pad team
[19:10] <jonesy> acronyms should be defined before use. My $.02
[19:10] <jonesy> thanks!
[19:10] <jonesy> er... I'll figure out what that is later I guess.
[19:10] <jonesy> ;-P
[19:12]  * EtienneG grumble
[19:13] <EtienneG> is there a public bug tracker for Likewise Open?  I mean, the project, not the Ubuntu package
[19:13] <EtienneG> I also cannot seem to find the changelog for 4.1.0 (I would hate to report bugs to LP that are fixed upstream already)
[19:14] <EtienneG> and while i am there ... do they have a public IRC channel somewhere?
[19:14] <ScottK> I think it's got a separate project in Launchpad, but I'm not certain.
[19:15] <EtienneG> ScottK, LP says: 0 projects found  matching “likewise”
[19:15] <EtienneG> :(
[19:16] <ScottK> So either it's not there or Launchpad search is buggy.
[19:16] <ScottK> Not sure which is more likely.
[19:16] <EtienneG> how dare you suggest Launchpad is BUGGY!!!11
[19:16]  * EtienneG is just joking
[19:16] <ScottK> I do it routinely.
[19:17] <EtienneG> ho well, I will report my bugs against the Ubuntu package then
[19:19] <jdstrand> sommer: committed your profile to bzr, will upload package soonish
[19:20] <EtienneG> #253394
[19:20] <sommer> jdstrand: coolness
[19:20] <EtienneG> shortest bug report evar
[19:23] <mathiaz> EtienneG: http://lobugs.likewisesoftware.com/
[19:23] <mathiaz> EtienneG: ^^ upstream likewise-open bugzilla
[19:23] <EtienneG> mathiaz, thanks a bunch, matey
[19:23] <lukehasnoname> bug #253394
[19:24] <EtienneG> mathiaz, would they have a code repository somewhere by any chance (so we can browse code and see history) ?
[19:24] <mathiaz> EtienneG: I think they're using git - but I don't know if they have an public repository
[19:25] <EtienneG> git? sacrilege!
[19:25] <EtienneG> too bad, they have an annoying form to enter to download lw-open from their web site
[19:25] <ScottK> No, git, used places other than Ubuntu.
[19:26] <ScottK> I know bazaar is used other places than Ubuntu, just none that I've ever encountered personally.
[19:26] <sommer> ScottK: I'll bet that may increas once LP is open sourced :)
[19:26] <EtienneG> I guess I will have fill the form ...
[19:26] <sommer> didn't mysql switch to bzr?
[19:27] <EtienneG> ScottK, again, I was just joking (i love playing the zealot on the intarweb)
[19:27] <EtienneG> sommer, right, they did
[19:27] <EtienneG> and it is a fairly huge codebase at that
[19:28] <EtienneG> gosh, i hate bugzilla
[19:28] <jonesy> me too
[19:28] <jonesy> I wish it would die.
[19:29] <ScottK> I'll be sacraligeous and say I like it better than Launchpad.
[19:29] <ScottK> At least it supports basic functions like having bugs block other bugs.
[19:29] <jonesy> mathiaz: you're doing the openldap cn=config migration and user/group DIT?
[19:32] <jonesy> launchpad is a little confusing. Is there some link I'm missing to get from a blueprint to the defined tasks to make them reality, so you can see which tasks aren't assigned, and then use that to figure out where one might fit in?
[19:34] <ScottK> jonesy: I don't think such a thing exists.
[19:34] <jonesy> ok, thanks. Not surprising. I find that all of the tools similar to this have problems integrating with.... themselves :)
[19:35] <jonesy> so, is there another tool, or some place I can figure out what tasks have been defined for a blueprint so I can figure out how to help out (if I can)?
[19:36] <ScottK> jonesy: Generally they are written in the spec or on the associated wiki page if anywhere.
[19:36] <jonesy> clearly projects can't just fall from the ether complete with team members.
[19:36] <jonesy> ok, I guess I'll sift. I'm really surprised that this isn't easier given Ubuntu's success at attracting new developers.
[19:36] <ScottK> jonesy: Here's an example of one (that happens to need help) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain
[19:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: hey, can you help me get open-iscsi into the server installer seed?
[19:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: or point me in the right direction?
[19:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - I can point you to #ubuntu-installer
[19:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm not sure exactly what you want to do
[19:38] <mathiaz> jonesy: yes
[19:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, thanks, i'm there.
[19:38] <ScottK> Do we have an explicit server seed yet?
[19:39] <mathiaz> kirkland: I guess you want to make sure that the deb and udeb are on the cd
[19:39] <mathiaz> kirkland: to do that I can help
[19:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, that's what i need
[19:39] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's a matter of adding the deb to the server-ship seed
[19:39] <jonesy> mathiaz: well, I'd love to help out, so if there's something I should do or a link besides the blueprints I should see, let me know. The problem is one that interests me, but I don't have a PHd in Launchpad.
[19:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool, pointers?
[19:41] <ScottK> jonesy: The MIR work needed for the spec I linked you is a good way to learn some things about package and how Ubuntu works.  If you're interested, I can help you.
[19:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[19:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: there is a section about changing the seeds
[19:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: thanks, i'll go read
[19:42] <jonesy> ScottK: clamav and spamassassin are really both outside my area of expertise. I only have an end-user familiarity with spamassassin, and have never touched clamav. In general, the further away from email I can be, the better (where servers are concerned).
[19:42] <mathiaz> kirkland: and the bzr branch you're looking at is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.intrepid
[19:42] <jonesy> no offense, of course.
[19:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: probably the server-ship file
[19:43] <mathiaz> jonesy: great - I'm about to upload a new package with cn=config migration code enabled - once there I'll send out a call for testing
[19:44] <mathiaz> jonesy: probably on the ubuntu-server mailing list and the ubuntuserver blog
[19:44] <jonesy> ok, thanks
[19:44] <ScottK> jonesy: Know anything about Perl?
[19:44] <jonesy> so, it's just a one-man dev team?
[19:44] <ScottK> Most of the stuff needs doing in perl packages.
[19:44] <jonesy> ScottK: yes. Plenty. It's the reason I use Python! ;-P
[19:44] <ScottK> ;-)
[19:45] <jonesy> but seriously, I've been doing admin stuff for like 10+ years, and used perl up until about a year or so ago
[19:45] <jonesy> then I created Python Magazine. It's all downhill from there.
[19:45] <jonesy> ;-P
[19:45] <ScottK> If you're interested in learning more about how Perl is packaged in Debian/Ubuntu, some of the SpamAssassin related MIR could be interesting.
[19:46] <ScottK> If not, then not so much.
[19:47] <jonesy> it's just not an area I have much interest in, to be honest. But if all I can do to contribute to the DS-related stuff is test, I might ping you later :)
[19:47] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48] <jonesy> I'm sure I just don't understand the development process in use at ubuntu-server. Is there some high-level description of the flow somewhere?
[19:48] <ScottK> Probably.
[19:48] <ScottK> Not sure where.
[19:48] <jonesy> I'm kinda used to just downloading a package, seeing b0rk3dness, fixing it, submitting a patch... this is a whole distro though :)
[19:48] <ScottK> Right.
[19:49] <jonesy> maybe I can work on something called "making it stupid-easy for new developers to be productive quickly"
[19:49] <jonesy> it could probably be a wiki page, if it isn't already.
[19:49] <ScottK> The basic idea is: Have a developer summit (UDS) - 1 week face to face make a plan, write specs to document the bits of the plan, get them approved, go implement, test, release.
[19:49] <mathiaz> jonesy: well - it works the same way - you download a package, come across a bug, fix it and submit a patch
[19:49] <jonesy> oh
[19:50] <jonesy> does the same go for new features?
[19:50] <mathiaz> jonesy: you may wanna check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[19:50] <ScottK> Features it depends.  You can write a spec and get it approved (you don't actually have to go to UDS).
[19:50] <mathiaz> jonesy: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers for a better understanding of how the dev community is structured
[19:51] <Koon> EtienneG: LW git tree : http://git.likewisesoftware.com/?p=likewise-open.git
[19:51] <ScottK> In general, particularly once you are a developer, if you can do it yourself, you can just do it.
[19:52] <Koon> EtienneG: also you can download sources at http://archives.likewisesoftware.com/likewise-open/src/
[19:55] <EtienneG> Koon, thanks a lot, I got the released source tarball
[19:55] <EtienneG> but i will sure keep the git tree URL handy for future reference
[19:56] <Koon> EtienneG: you're welcome. Their "community" pages aren't so good as pointers for useful info.
[20:29] <Fenix|work> Greetings... I need some help in transposing CentOS package names unto Ubuntu names
[20:29] <Fenix|work> anyone willing to give it a try?
[20:29] <Fenix|work> httpd-devel, apr-devel and apr-util-devel
[20:29] <kirkland> Fenix|work: httpd -> apache2
[20:29] <Fenix|work> expat-devel, krb5-devel, mysql-devel rpm-devel
[20:30] <kirkland> zul: you still around?
[20:31] <Fenix|work> what about the apr stuff?
[20:31] <kirkland> Fenix|work: apt-cache search apr | grep dev
[20:31] <kirkland> libapr1-dev - The Apache Portable Runtime Library - Development Headers
[20:31] <Fenix|work> yeah, just remembered cache :)
[20:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kirkland/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-seeds.intrepid-iscsi/revision/1304
[20:33] <kirkland> mathiaz: can you merge that into the server-ship seed?
[20:36] <kirkland> zul: perhaps you could merge that server-ship seed addition for me?
[20:37] <backenfutter> hey folks... could somebody tell me why this .htaccess just won let me login? I played around with it a bit, but just wont work... http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/391053/
[20:38] <kirkland> backenfutter: perms on /var/secret/.htusers
[20:38] <kirkland>  ?
[20:39] <backenfutter> 644 root:root
[20:39] <backenfutter> 755?
[20:39] <zul> kirkland: who do what now?
[20:40] <backenfutter> kirkland: god damn... that was it... thx so much kirkland
[20:40] <backenfutter> got it
[20:40] <backenfutter> 755 brainiac:www-data
[20:40] <zul> merge the open-iscsi into the seed?
[20:42] <zul> chuck@krusty:~/work/server/seeds/ubuntu.intrepid$ grep iscsi *
[20:42] <zul> server-ship: * open-iscsi # ChuckShort
[20:42] <zul> server-ship: * open-iscsi-udeb # SorenHansen
[20:43] <kirkland> zul: hmm
[20:44] <zul> kirkland: what problem are you having?
[20:45] <kirkland> zul: hmm, let me start an install from scratch
[20:47] <kirkland> zul: look at that....
[20:47] <kirkland> zul: okay, yeah, that worked now.... anna-install open-iscsi-udeb
[20:48] <kirkland> zul: i was missing the -udeb
[20:48] <zul> kirkland: ah
[20:48] <zul> bbiab
[20:58] <ivoks> kirkland: ping
[20:59] <ivoks> ah, never mind :)
[23:23] <kirkland> jdstrand: kees: either of you guys (or anyone else) an "nc" expert?
[23:23] <kirkland> actually, i don't really even need an expert....
[23:23] <kirkland> how can i use it to see if a given ip/port is open on a remote machine
[23:24] <kees> kirkland: simplest way would be with nc -v -v -v HOST PORT.  if it connects, it's open.
[23:24] <kirkland> kees: thx
[23:24] <kees> kirkland: np
[23:25] <kirkland> kees: hmm, no -v option in the busybox nc ;-)
[23:26] <kees> heh -- dunno if you're limited to busy box.  check the klibc toolset?
[23:26] <kirkland> kees: i'm in the installer shell
[23:27] <kees> kirkland: iscsi madness?
[23:27] <kirkland> kees: yeah, i'm getting an ECONNREFUSED
[23:27] <kees> then it's not listening.  ;)
[23:27] <kirkland> kees: i'm wondering if the tcp stack in the installer is incomplete?
[23:28] <kirkland> kees: but it is listening, at least from other clients
[23:28] <kees> kirkland: what's returning ECONNREFUSED?
[23:28] <kirkland> kees: at first, iscsiadm, but now, also nc -p 3260 <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:29] <juris> using 8.04 server edition. after apt-get upgrade it seems to upgrade kernel and after restart I have kernel panic. any solution? thanks :)
[23:29] <kirkland> kees: it appears that the machine in the installer has IP address <IP_ADDRESS>... I wonder if that would present a problem somehow as a client?
[23:29] <kees> juris: that's a pretty broad problem.  anyone helping to solve that would need to know specifically what the panic reported, then check for bug reports, etc.
[23:30] <kirkland> that's not a reserved IP, as far as I'm aware
[23:30] <kees> kirkland: you sure you want -p ?  that's usally the local port not remote port.
[23:31] <juris> how can I give You more information? What logs should I give? Do i have write all what I see in boot screen? Can I get back my old kernel? :)
[23:32] <kirkland> kees: okay, good call, now: "nc <IP_ADDRESS> 3260", just sort of hangs, like it's listening, rather than throwing ECONNREFUSED
[23:32] <kees> kirkland: what's returning ECONNREFUSED?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops
[23:32] <kees> kirkland: right, it was trying to connect on the telnet port.  :)
[23:33] <kees> juris: I personally probably can't help.  I was just saying in generally, if someone can help, they'll need a lot more information.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops
[23:33] <kirkland> kees: 3260 is a telnet port?
[23:33] <kirkland> kees: i thought that's an iscsi port
[23:33] <kees> kirkland: no, you did'nt specify a port, so nc used 23.  (3260 was the _local_ port)
[23:33] <juris> thanks for link!
[23:33] <kirkland> kees: connect(3, .....) is returning -1, ECONNREFUSED
[23:34] <kirkland> kees: according to the strace
[23:34] <kees> kirkland: right, sorry, I had accidentally scrolled up while pasting the debug link
[23:35] <kirkland> kees: so I have two different vm's.... one a running intrepid instance, the other, in a shell in the installer
[23:35] <kees> kirkland: okay
[23:35] <kirkland> kees: the full os intrepid can lists the iscsi shares just fine
[23:35] <kirkland> kees: the installer one gets the ECONNREFUSED
[23:35] <kirkland> kees: i'm looking at each one's strace output
[23:36] <kees> what is the command that does the iscsi share-looking?
[23:36] <kirkland> kees: iscsiadm -m discovery -t st -p IP_OF_ISCSI_TARGET
[23:37] <kees> compare ifconfig -a output?  maybe network mask is hosed?
[23:38] <kirkland> kees: no ifconfig in the installer ;-)
[23:38] <kirkland> kees: and I don't see a udeb for net-tools
[23:38] <juris> OK. It seems it is big problem to debug kernel oops for average Ubuntu users but I am newbie. Can I just use previous kernel? I installed Ubuntu yesterday but I have already configured Virtualmin and uploaded files and I don't want to start from ebginning? I burned fresh .iso file 2 days ago.
[23:39] <kees> juris: when you boot, grub should give you the option of several kernels.
[23:39] <juris> LILO :P
[23:39] <juris> I can't select kernel...
[23:40] <juris> LILO autoamticaly launches this bad kernel
[23:40] <kees> lilo?  that's not a very standard install :)
[23:40] <kirkland> juris: i'd say grub would be recommended for a self-proclaimed 'newbie' :-)
[23:41] <juris> Yes, I knew but I have some trouble in GRUB and I don''t know how to delete this... I have maaany kernels in it because of this kernel oops
[23:41] <juris> I figured to install lilo and it was fine for some hours :)
[23:42] <kees> juris: I would recommend installing grub.
[23:42] <juris> apt-get install grub?
[23:42] <kees> juris: if this is an otherwise stock machine, sudo grub-install; sudo update-grub  should work.  however, I can't promise anything, so be careful.
[23:43] <kees> juris: you should see your available kernels in /boot/vmlinuz*
[23:46] <juris> I use Windows XP now :D I have only 1 SATA cable and I need to turn off computer to boot in linux (recovery mode?) maybe You think it's little bit strange but i wiil use this server in data center but I will keep one Hard Disk for my new home PC. Do I need to install Other Ubuntu?
[23:48] <juris> Maybe there is Live CD to fix GRUB?
[23:48] <juris> small, simple live cd for me :)
[23:49] <kirkland> kees: funny thing is that i can ping the same host
[23:50] <kirkland> kees: makes me think it's a problem in the tcp stack
[23:50] <kees> juris: I really don't know what to say -- you have a very unusual configuration.  perhaps use the Launchpad Answers section?
[23:50] <kees> kirkland: the kernel is the kernel so probably not the stack.  I would guess misconfigured network settings.  Does the "ip" command exist?
[23:50] <kirkland> kees: yeah
[23:51] <kirkland> kees: i'm looking at the busybox manpage now for "ip" info
[23:51] <kees> kirkland: ip addr show
[23:52] <kirkland> kees: inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth0
[23:53] <kees> kirkland: and that matches the other vm?
[23:54] <kirkland> kees: the other vm has a "LOWER_UP" flag
[23:54] <kirkland> kees: and an inet6 stack, but otherwise, okay
[23:55] <kees> try other stuff to the target machine, like starting a "nc -l -p 8080 -v -v -v" and seeing if you can connect to it, etc.
[23:57] <juris> Yes, my situation is little bit strange. Google have many links to "fix GRUB"  :) It's late. I better go to bed now :D


[12:53] <TandyUK> hi guys, were getting an error from cron.daily after the recent update
[12:54] <TandyUK> grep: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list: No such file or directory
[12:54] <TandyUK> from /etc/cron.daily/mythbuntu-repos
[12:54] <TandyUK> what should this file contain, and why has it been removed during the upgrade?
[12:55] <TandyUK> also the permissions on /var/log/mythtv/jamu.log were incorrect, but ive fixed those
[12:56] <TandyUK> in fact just found 2 files in that folder,
[12:56] <TandyUK> root@myth-bedroom:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat mythbuntu-repos.list.save
[12:56] <TandyUK> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.24/ubuntu natty main
[12:56] <TandyUK> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu natty main
[12:56] <TandyUK> root@myth-bedroom:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat mythbuntu-repos.list.distUpgrade
[12:56] <TandyUK> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.25/ubuntu oneiric main
[12:56] <TandyUK> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu oneiric main
[12:56] <Zinn> [ppa.launchpad.net] Index of /mythbuntu/0.24/ubuntu
[12:56] <Zinn> [ppa.launchpad.net] Index of /mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu
[12:56] <Zinn> [ppa.launchpad.net] Index of /mythbuntu/0.25/ubuntu
[12:56] <Zinn> [ppa.launchpad.net] Index of /mythbuntu/testing/ubuntu
[12:57] <TandyUK> which is the correct one for 12.04?
[12:57] <TandyUK> there is also a file named "mythbuntu-0_25-precise.list"
[12:58] <TandyUK> you guys really need better testing of upgrades imho
[12:58] <TandyUK> every time we update the base mythbuntu version there are issues
[13:05] <dekarl> TandyUK: I think you might be looking for something like "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.25"
[13:05] <TandyUK> its there though
[13:06] <TandyUK> its just the daily cronjob referring to the wring file?
[13:06] <dekarl> no idea what that would do in cron.daily, though
[13:06] <TandyUK> note ive made 0 changes to this machine, it wasa stock mythbunto 10.04 originaly, and hasbeen upgraded as you guys update mythbuntu
[13:07] <TandyUK> the cron job is:
[13:07] <TandyUK> #!/bin/bash
[13:07] <TandyUK> # Detect if the repo config was disabled by distro upgrade and enable if
[13:07] <TandyUK> # necessary.
[13:07] <TandyUK> REPOLINE=$(grep -E "# disabled on upgrade to .*" "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list")
[13:07] <TandyUK> if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
[13:07] <TandyUK>   DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[13:07] <TandyUK> fi
[13:08] <dekarl> ahh, looks like Ubuntu changed its way of disabling repositories on updates... the script checks for commented out stuff, but now the file is renamed :( ... <- superm1, tgm4883
[13:08] <dekarl> I have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-repos.list.distUpgrade
[13:09] <TandyUK> yeah i have that file too
[13:09] <TandyUK> running dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos returns
[13:09] <dekarl> and obviously they don't want you to script it as the comment is localised, so grepping for "disabled" does not match "deaktiviert" yeah
[13:09] <TandyUK> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mythbuntu-repos is broken or not fully installed
[13:10] <TandyUK> and telling it to update it, wants to install 178MB!! of packages
[13:10] <TandyUK> for a 1kb text file :S
[13:10] <TandyUK> er download size that is i mean wtf
[13:11] <dekarl> its not pulling in other updates, too?
[13:12] <TandyUK> yeah loads
[13:12] <TandyUK> but even with
[13:13] <TandyUK> apt-get upgrade mythbuntu-repos
[13:13] <dekarl> TandyUK: running 12.04 means updating to mythtv-0.25, too. so thats the correct one, with precise after it
[13:13] <TandyUK> the list of stuff that will be upgraded doesnt even include the package i told it to upgrade
[13:14] <TandyUK> ah its been replaced by mythbuntu-common apparantly
[13:15] <TandyUK> so that old /etc/cron.daily/mythbuntu-repos file is obsolete and can be deleted?
[13:16] <dekarl> its possible, lets see what the mythbuntu devs think about it
[13:17] <TandyUK> did you do a clean install of 12.04?
[13:17] <TandyUK> if so just see if your system has that file or not
[13:19] <dekarl> no, I updated from 11.04 via 11.10 to 12.04 myself
[13:21] <TandyUK> ah right
[14:11] <tgm4883> TandyUK, delete the cron job
[14:12] <tgm4883> it's not used anymore


[01:45] <drab> I am mighty confused... which isn't new and probably not a good thing for a friday evening, but if anybody is around
[01:45] <drab> I got nfs-kernel-server working in kvm
[01:45] <drab> the host is running zfs, and has a ZVOL exported to the kvm instance
[01:45] <drab> the kvm instance takes that and creates a zfs pool out of it
[01:45] <drab> it then exports it over nfs
[01:46] <drab> all well so far
[01:46] <drab> I then mounted the share on my desktop and started fio against it (I have a baseline of fio against shared on baremetal and another machine)
[01:47] <drab> this is where things got weird to put it mildly
[01:48] <drab> first thing, zpool iostat -v 1 returns all 0s all the time...
[01:49] <drab> there's like no disk activity
[01:49] <drab> but the file is created as expected by fio startup and the test completes
[01:49] <drab> zpool iostat -v 1 shows activity as expected on the host
[01:50] <drab> second, I get 609MBs for the random writes test... I wish...
[01:51] <drab> the link is 100mbit in the test setup
[01:52] <drab> and in fact the sequential read looks actually really good as fio reports 11978KB/s , which is basically the theoretical 12MBs of a 100mbit link
[02:01] <drab> actually I take that back, /me scratches head
[02:01] <drab> zpool iostat is now giving weird numbers (almost all 0s) on the host too
[02:07] <CodeMouse92__> Anyone have recommendations on a postfix admin frontend for a LAMP server?
[03:35] <qman__> a what?
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[15:24] <drab> is anybody in ubunt-server land using pnfs?
[15:52] <dave6500> hey, thanks for one of the best platforms ever ... 12.04 :) sorry to see it go ... top notch web server
[16:42] <runelind_q> Landscape is complaining about W: Failed to fetch http://www.nmon.net/apt-stable/12.04/x64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[16:43] <runelind_q> but I cannot for the life of me find where it is trying to grab from nmon
[16:45] <runelind_q> this is on a 14.04 box
[17:15] <dpb1> runelind_q: grep -r nmon /etc/apt/
[17:29] <runelind_q> dpb1: yea, I did that and it ain't there
[17:34] <dpb1> :/
[17:37] <dpb1> do you see the same thing with sudo apt-get update on that box directly?  also pasting /var/log/landscape/package-reporter.log would be good.
[17:39] <drab> runelind_q: apt-cache policy nmon
[17:39] <drab> should tell you exactly where the src of that pkg is
[17:39] <drab> looks like it's in universe
[17:52] <runelind_q> yeah it says Installed: (None)
[18:12] <drab> runelind_q: so what's the problem?
[18:13] <drab> the hash mismatch is either a proxy in the way or a bad mirror
[18:13] <drab> I had that issue in the past with my own local mirror
[18:13] <runelind_q> just Landscape complaining about it.
[18:13] <drab> it's not really the package, it's the Packages file that contains the wrong hash compared to the hash of the pkg on file
[18:14] <drab> doesn't apt-get complain about it?
[18:14] <drab> a hash mismatch should show up with a simple apt-get update
[18:14] <drab> because that's part of the update routine to check the hashes
[18:52] <runelind_q> nope, the box itself is quiet.
[23:57] <cuken> Hey guys, I'm running into a problem on an old server I have stood up. I didn't size the partitions well and my root is out of space but I have a ton of extra space available on the /home partition
[23:58] <cuken> While SSH'ing into the server, am I able to shrink home and expand root?


[01:33] <krytarik> Bashing-om: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/09/24/%23ubuntu-news.html#t22:39 - wrt waiting on doing the rest of the wiki tasks after the Fridge and social media posts are also done.
[01:34] <Bashing-om> krytarik: looking.
[01:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: My waiting is but my way of keeping order. Sensible to me that the re-directs are done when the old issue is a old issue with the completed release of a current issue.
[01:45] <krytarik> Ok, then can you explain why users of the "CurrentIssue" redirect have to wait possibly a few more hours after the issue has already been published, and just not the Fridge (third party in this context as mentioned before) and social media posts yet?
[01:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I got no hearburn to re-arrange my thought process .. to as soon as the M/L and forum post are done to do the re-directs . But then social media will be out of sync - for a few hours.
[01:54] <krytarik> They are potentially out of sync anyway - just you're delaying proper use of the new issue on the wiki that way too.
[01:59] <krytarik> And btw, I haven't got to it this time yet, but last week I noticed you sent the notification about the new issue to the team mailing list before the actual newsletter mail - please always do the latter first.
[02:00] <Bashing-om> krytarik: So, do the Mailing List, the redirects .. and then post to the forum ? In that order ?
[02:04] <krytarik> Well, it's fine if you do the forums post before the redirect change yet - since it all comes out of one hand then and thus not a high risk of a greater delay.
[02:16] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will do :)
[02:18] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Noted Procedure: "##do the Mailing List, then the forum post, then immediately do the redirects##" .
[02:25] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: You Can Now Buy an Official Ubuntu 18.10 T-Shirt @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=136184 (by Joey Sneddon)
[02:39] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Cool, thanks!
[02:43] <Bashing-om> :) Just the Goger, Be amazed at what I do not know or understand .


[16:00] <kyrofa> We're starting shortly
[16:08] <KristijanZic> kyrofa: Thanks for the darktable update :D
[16:08] <KristijanZic> there should be a Monero snap :)
[16:09] <kyrofa> KristijanZic, thanks for the poke ;)
[16:09] <KristijanZic> np :)
[16:10] <OvenWerks> Ok, so how do I join the video stuff
[16:10] <OvenWerks> (well audio)
[16:10] <elopio> OvenWerks: the link in #ubuntustudio-devel
[16:23] <eylul> ubuntustudio-devel mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel :)
[16:31] <KristijanZic> QUESTION: eylul, I'm working with 360 panoramas but with autopano giga, do you have a blog or something where you talk about that kind of work on ubuntu studio?
[16:34] <KristijanZic> christioan
[16:34] <KristijanZic> *Christian
[16:34] <kyrofa> KristijanZic, sorry, typical ignorant american here
[16:35] <eylul> mastodon.art/@eylul
[16:36] <KristijanZic> eylul: great, I'll be waiting for the blog :) kyrofa: C'mon man, it's like Christian Gray :P
[16:36] <kyrofa> Hahaha
[16:37] <KristijanZic> jekyll ftw
[16:37] <eylul> thank you :)
[16:40] <kyrofa> KristijanZic, jekyll is the most nerdy blog platform ever :P
[16:40]  * kyrofa imagines walking my wife through that. "Trust me babe, git push and it'll publish"
[16:40] <kyrofa> "Oh wait, git add first"
[16:41] <zyga> o/
[16:42] <KristijanZic> kyrofa: hahah, yeah it's really cool :) But wp is the best for the most ppl, not very secure tho :/
[16:42] <kyrofa> Yeah I don't trust it at all
[16:42] <elopio> eylul: OvenWerks: Thank you so much! :D:D:D
[16:42] <eylul> thank you for having us. :)
[16:43] <zyga> wp, the RPC of the internet
[16:45] <KristijanZic> kyrofa: Yeah, why is google not filtering these tho? https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=inurl%3Awp%2Dconfig%20%2Dintext%3Awp%2Dconfig%20%22%27DB_PASSWORD%27%22
[16:46] <kyrofa> KristijanZic, not really their job, in my opinion
[16:46] <kyrofa> KristijanZic, if they did one could just use another index
[16:48] <KristijanZic> kyrofa: yeah, probably. But for most of these "hacks" if the admin just keeps the wp updated it'll be fine. Also, jails.
[16:50] <kyrofa> Very true


[05:42] <simmerz> I've installed the latest Xorg drivers and I've got my external monitor working fine at 1600x1200, but does anyone have a fix for the laptop screen which should display at 1680x1050? I've tried adding a modeline, but all I get is 1280x1024
[17:01] <indigo> hello, i have installed ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop amilo A serie. The screen is dark during 1 min at the beguining and the internet connection (which is working from the CD) doesn't work from the hard drive.
[17:01] <indigo> What can i do to check if ubuntu is properly set up?
[17:02] <indigo> and to make internet working?


[00:33] <eeejay> cr3, ah
[00:33] <eeejay> cr3, gladeui is good
[00:33] <eeejay> cr3, libglade is bad
[00:33] <eeejay> cr3, meaning the actual glade application is still called glade, and it is still used
[00:34] <eeejay> cr3, but the files it produces are gtkbuilder files
[00:34] <eeejay> cr3, do you have a last.fm profile?
[01:14] <cr3> eeejay: sorry dude, I need to jet. I hope we can pick this up either on Monday or this weekend
[01:14] <eeejay> yup
[01:15] <eeejay> cr3, don't play too hard
[01:15] <cr3> cool, pip pip


[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi: Agostino Russo * r131 trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi: * Mixed up encode/decode str methods, again
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi: * Encode unicode translations to avoid file write failures (LP:
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi:  #365642)
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi: * Do not quit if there are ISO extraction problems, try to download
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi:  instead (LP: #371264)
[01:39] <CIA-4> wubi: * Do not quit if there are ISO info parsing errors due to file
[01:58] <CIA-4> wubi: Agostino Russo * r132 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/wubi/backends/common/backend.py): Avoid white spaces in ISO name (LP: #365829)
[07:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r3256 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_install.py):
[07:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Be more specific about packages that are removed in role selection.
[07:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Unfortunately prior to this fix, choosing a Frontend role for example
[07:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: was not cleaning up mysql, apache, or mythtv-backend (completely
[07:37] <CIA-4> ubiquity: defeating the purpose of a frontend role).
[09:54] <xivulon> evand, davmor2 I pushed out rev132, could you please build and test?
[09:55] <evand> sure
[09:55] <davmor2> np's
[09:56] <evand> Keybuk pointed out to me last night that pitti landed DeviceKit-disks in Karmic, so I'm going to start working on moving usb-creator away from HAL and onto that.
[09:57] <xivulon> davmor2 it would help if you could reproduce 369225
[09:57] <davmor2> bug 369225
[09:58] <xivulon> you need a fat partition, you should usually see the filesystem in the log file if you grep for "drive", if there isn't any there is an issue
[09:58] <davmor2> xivulon: I've got a fat version of xp backed up so I can drop that onto my test box and try it :)
[09:59] <davmor2> won't be till latter on though
[09:59] <xivulon> np, the log should look like: Drive(C: hd 17105.21875 mb free FILESYSTEM)
[10:00] <xivulon> evand could you see if you can add the wubi or ubuntu icon to the certificate?
[10:00] <xivulon> they are both in the data/images
[10:05] <evand> xivulon: please file a bug for it and assign it to me.
[10:11] <evand> xivulon: Mind moving your changelog entries since 9.04 to a new 9.10 entry?  It'll be easier for us to see difference between releases.  We should also bzr tag the final revision that was used for Jaunty as 9.04
[10:28] <xivulon> evand the bug fixes are still for 9.04
[10:28] <xivulon> I plan to do a release for the stand-alone to fix outstanding bug in there at least
[10:28] <xivulon> davmor2, this should be the patch for bug 369225 http://paste.ubuntu.com/165987/
[10:29] <xivulon> I think that after 369225 is addressed we can move to 9.10
[10:38] <xivulon> davmor2, revised patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/165992/
[10:40] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r103 future/usbcreator/gtk_frontend.py: Fix a call to logging that was broken by a previous commit.
[10:40] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r104 future/ (tests tests/test_device_added.py): Forgot to bzr add tests.
[10:40] <xivulon> take 3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/165995/
[11:49] <davmor2> xivulon: with take 3 I'm getting a build error
[11:50] <davmor2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/166015/
[12:12] <davmor2> evand: am I right in assuming that the ^ under the : is the culprit for the wubi build break in the instance above?
[12:13] <evand> I imagine it's the : at the end of line 45 in the diff
[12:14] <evand> delete that and it should work
[12:14] <xivulon> davmor2, my bad, remove the ":" at src\wubi\backends\win32\drive.py line 56
[12:15] <davmor2> thanks guys but hey I figured it out ish :)  Yay that work this time :)
[12:16] <xivulon> ah also "def get_filesystem(self)" not "def get_filesystem(path)"
[12:17] <xivulon> davmor2 ^
[12:18] <davmor2> xivulon: right changed building again
[12:18] <xivulon> I'll get there sooner or later: http://paste.ubuntu.com/166034/
[12:43] <davmor2> xivulon: I hit an issue on fat windows install just running wubi.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/166042/  I'm not sure if the 2 are linked which is why I haven't reported against the original bug
[12:43] <davmor2> evand: too ^
[12:51] <xivulon> davmor2 for some reason the parsing of .disk/info inside the ISO returned null
[12:51] <xivulon> by the way was this using the patch 166034?
[13:05] <xivulon> davmor2 could it be that the downloaded ISO is corrupted? can you manually check the md5 of c:\ubuntu\installation\installation.iso?
[13:12] <yoni9972> hi
[13:12] <xivulon> davmor2, assuming that the above is due to ISO corruption, this should make the process more robust (a good thing anyway): http://paste.ubuntu.com/166057/
[13:13] <yoni9972> I now install ubonto 9.04 and I have trouble with install my printer. This is the place to ask about it?
[13:15] <yoni9972> ?
[13:15] <xivulon> yoni9972, you are probably better off asking in #ubuntu
[13:36] <davmor2> xivulon: rebuilding now
[13:38] <xivulon> davmor2 was the above log with the patch   http://paste.ubuntu.com/166042/  applied?
[13:39] <davmor2> xivulon: as far as I can tell yes, but I rebuilt with 166057 now
[13:39] <xivulon> doesn't look good in terms of filesystem detection
[13:40] <davmor2> xivulon:  File "Z:\home\davmor2\wubi\src\wubi\backends\win32\drive.py", line 51
[13:40] <davmor2>     if not hasattr(ctypes.windll.kernel32, "GetVolumeInformationA")
[13:41] <davmor2> first it complained about the : at the end now the )
[13:41] <xivulon> can you change, path = self.path[0]   '\\'  to path = self.path[0]   ':\\'
[13:42] <xivulon> one sec let's do take8
[13:43] <xivulon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/166070/
[13:44] <xivulon> ah wrong paste, not my day
[13:45] <xivulon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/166072/
[13:46]  * xivulon opens bets on number of digits for last paste
[14:40] <davmor2> 178001 is my bet
[14:52] <davmor2> xivulon: this seems to be happier :)
[15:34] <davmor2> xivulon: this seems to of locked up on creating virtual disks
[16:11] <davmor2> xivulon: D'oh my fault I forgot I'd only got a small partition due to fat32 being crap
[16:11] <davmor2> I'm trying again with wubi's install taking up a little less space
[16:29] <davmor2> xivulon: Ah maybe not hangs in exactly the same place
[18:36] <geiseri> hi, i have a few questions with respects to making a custom alternates CD with a specific preseed and package list.  I have figured out the preseed stuff and got that working, but i am having problems using my custom package set
[18:36] <geiseri> where would be a good place to start looking for more information on this?
[18:37] <geiseri> i was playing with simple-cdd, but it seems to not work with ubuntu... unless im doing it wrong.
[20:00] <lfaraone> evand: we're thinking about using usb-creator as part of Sugar's USB stick distribution. Would you accept a well-tested patch to add a "--sugar" option that changed the way format_drive works to make the USB drive in our special way?
[20:01] <lfaraone> evand: (we're creating two partitions, one boot fat32 and the other ext3, but other than that it's pretty much the same)
[20:15] <superm1> lfaraone, wouldn't it just make more sense to detect the different type of image at runtime and the fact that it's expected to be written out to USB differently then within the codepath?
[20:15] <superm1> or are sugar images essentially ubuntu images with no visible differences/
[22:43] <lfaraone> superm1: well, for example: options such as the persistance slider are pretty much useless for our setup.
[22:44] <lfaraone> superm1: so I guess, if the image passed at the command line meets TEST, then  grey out / remove persistance options, write *this* way, etc would work.
[23:08] <geiseri> okay i got my installer cd booting, but the cdrom-detect fails saying its not an Ubuntu CD
[23:08] <geiseri> did i miss a file on the root of the CD?
[23:08] <geiseri> how does it tell that its a ubuntu cdrom?
[23:10] <geiseri> is that what the .disk folder in the root of the iso image does?
[23:34] <CIA-4> wubi: Agostino Russo * r133 trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
[23:34] <CIA-4> wubi: * Fixed vfat filesystem detection (LP: #369225)
[23:34] <CIA-4> wubi: * More robust ISO check to avoid failures when the ISO file is
[23:34] <CIA-4> wubi:  corrupted
[23:46] <superm1> lfaraone, i'm meaning more specifically when the image detection routine runs.  add some code in there, so it won't matter whether you hit browse or if you send it as a command line argument.  If you detect a sugar ISO, disable persistence settings, and set up a particular partition ordering routine
[23:47] <superm1> i think a patch like that would be very acceptable
[23:49] <geiseri> *sigh* im getting closer, now its complaining that it cannot find a valid release file...
[23:50] <geiseri> is there documentation on the format and location of that somewhere?
[23:54] <lfaraone> superm1: Ok, that I can do. Can I also add it as a command-line override?
[23:55] <superm1> lfaraone, you'd want to ask evand about that, he's the one who would make the end decisions on it
[23:55] <superm1> lfaraone, i'm just providing some recommendations
[23:56] <lfaraone> superm1: Ok. Thanks!


[04:41] <excalibr> hyperair: what do you think about Lazarus?
[04:41] <excalibr> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?page=whyuse
[05:52] <hyperair> excalibr: well, nothing will tear me away from emacs.
[05:55] <hyperair> excalibr: also i dislike pascal.
[06:27] <excalibr> hyperair: haha..why no love for rad tool
[06:29] <hyperair> excalibr: rad?
[06:29] <hyperair> rad as in radical?
[06:30] <excalibr> rapid app dev tool
[06:30] <hyperair> huh
[06:30] <hyperair> you just have a edit-compile-test cycle, right?
[06:31] <hyperair> any editor that supports compilations is good at that already
[06:32] <hyperair> and if you want templates to fill in there's always yasnippet for emacs.
[06:51] <fairuz> hello people
[06:55] <excalibr> helo. human here
[07:34] <excalibr> hyperair: i guess but these rad tools to some extent can help speeding up your dev..if you're working on like a complex dev involving gui usually it is way to go, at least on windows
[07:34] <hyperair> on windows maybe
[07:35] <hyperair> it isn't usually the case on linux
[07:35] <hyperair> but you still can, with qtcreator or glade
[07:43] <excalibr> :D
[07:46] <excalibr> by the way, any idea how to deal with this chroot prob
[07:46] <excalibr> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCvaapHw
[07:47] <excalibr> I always get process locking up in the chroot when I try to exit it
[07:49] <hyperair> kill it?
[07:49] <excalibr> killing them would only make them span new instances
[07:49] <excalibr> :(
[07:49] <hyperair> oh
[07:49] <hyperair> i see
[07:49] <hyperair> that means it's controlled by upstart.
[07:49] <hyperair> enter the chroot, and type stop dbus-daemon
[07:49] <hyperair> er stop dbus
[07:49] <hyperair> as root
[07:49] <hyperair> so sudo stop dbus
[07:53] <hyperair> no wait
[07:53] <excalibr> weird..dbus ntis even running
[07:53] <excalibr> isnt
[07:53] <hyperair> sudo schroot -u root -c liferea stop dbus
[07:54]  * ejat nice channel alive ..
[07:54] <hyperair> er
[07:54] <hyperair> sudo schroot -u root -c session:liferea -r stop dbus
[07:55] <excalibr> stop: Unknown instance:
[07:58] <excalibr> i dont know what just happened but i was finally able to terminate the session
[07:58] <excalibr> lol
[07:58] <hyperair> heh
[08:28] <fairuz> test test
[08:39]  * ejat test2
[08:39] <ejat> mana ilang en fairuz
[08:39] <ejat> angch: u using your own tunnel ?
[08:40] <angch> ejat, yes
[08:40] <ejat> tuxuri have ipv6?
[08:40] <angch> ejat, er... linode has ipv6, so there.
[08:40] <angch> really depends on the upstream, kan?
[08:40] <ejat> :)
[08:41] <ejat> u subscribe linode for personal ?
[08:41] <ejat> hows live and business ?
[08:41] <angch> ejat, it's the company's.
[08:41] <angch> ejat, good. busy. and got more time for coding for once.
[08:41] <ejat> any reason y use linode :)
[08:41] <ejat> mind to share ?
[08:42] <angch> ejat, cheap and unblocked?
[08:42] <ejat> angch: wow .. still doing coding ?
[08:42] <angch> ejat, why not? good stuff.
[08:42] <ejat> c00l reason :) thumb up!
[08:42] <angch> linode: cheap, and unblocked. coz local dc sucks.
[08:42] <angch> we're using linode as backup.
[08:42] <ejat> ic ..
[08:42] <ejat> aims also sxxk ?
[08:43] <angch> aims == expensive.
[08:44]  * ejat winks
[08:44] <ejat> AWS ?
[08:45] <angch> not as easy to get into vs linode.
[08:45] <angch> flat rate = rocks
[08:46] <fairuz> ejat: yo
[08:46] <fairuz> ada kat mesia dah
[08:46] <fairuz> :)
[08:48] <ejat> tau2
[08:48] <ejat> tp lama x online
[08:48] <ejat> stay mana skrang ?
[08:53] <fairuz> hehe ade je kat sini
[08:53] <fairuz> keja kat bangsar
[08:53] <fairuz> stay kat Subang jaya
[09:06] <excalibr> angch: tapi aims ada pricing lain2 utk local vs international bw
[09:07] <excalibr> local dc lain takda camtu :D
[09:07] <angch> excalibr, berapa base price bagi 4u/month?
[09:10] <angch> 3k for 42u....
[09:10] <angch> http://www.aims.com.my/colocation-services/co-location-package-and-pricing-in-malaysia/
[09:10] <angch> eeek
[09:11] <fairuz> hey rakan2
[09:11] <fairuz> kat opis aku ada website takleh masuk
[09:11] <fairuz> kena dns poisoning?
[09:12] <fairuz> macam boleh search google tapi semua link takleh masuk
[09:14] <excalibr> angch: ye kena sewa satu rack klu deal direct dgn dc
[09:15] <excalibr> sewa ded box terus lah
[09:15] <excalibr> cuba usha softlayer sg
[09:16] <excalibr> fairuz: .com.my lagi?
[09:21] <ejat> dah kepunyaan ibm ker blom softlayer tu
[09:28] <fairuz> excalibr: tak ni google.com
[09:28] <fairuz> tapi actually hampir semua website takleh masuk
[09:29] <fairuz> yang pelik, google.com takleh masuk direct
[09:29] <excalibr> unifi?
[09:29] <fairuz> tapi kalau search pakai chrome tu dia keluar search result
[09:29] <fairuz> tapi semua link takleh tekan
[09:29] <fairuz> aah unifi
[09:29] <fairuz> unifi punya dns kena benda ke :D
[09:30] <excalibr> tak tau la pulak tu..
[09:30] <excalibr> cuba masuk yg https punya
[09:30] <fairuz> gmail https boleh
[09:31] <fairuz> facebook pun boleh
[09:31] <excalibr> jeng jeng..
[09:33] <fairuz> haha
[09:33] <fairuz> yang http je takleh baru perasan
[09:33] <fairuz> kohkoh
[09:33] <fairuz> ni unifi nye problem ke, ke opis aku
[09:45] <fairuz> test test
[09:45] <fairuz> excalibr: ping


[01:35] <ringer> am setting up a laptop with U9.1 for my wife to use and want to connect to it via my m/c (U9.1 also) via home wireless. Which progam(s) should I be using. Is there a guide somewhere?
[01:48] <swoody> ringer: what exactly do you want to control/use on her computer? Just updates? file sharing, printer sharing, etc.?
[01:49] <swoody> for simple maintenance, the easiest way would be ssh
[01:49] <ringer> I'm anticipating her having problems with setup. I want to be able to see her machine (remote desktop) from mine
[01:51] <ringer> not sure if remote desktop is the right way to go. Is that for Ubuntu - > Windows?
[01:51] <swoody> ringer: well Ubuntu comes with a pretty nice app for that out of the box :)...
[01:52] <ringer> I've tried to use remote desktop, and put in her ip address but just get a black screen.
[01:54] <ringer> I made sure her machine has 'allow other users....' set for remote desktop
[01:55] <swoody> ringer: ok, and you got no error messages?
[01:55] <ringer> no errors - just a black screen. I just tried disabling it on her m/c and get the same symptoms.
[01:56] <ringer> could this mean firewall settings have to be changed?
[01:57] <collinp> It might.
[01:59] <swoody> ringer: have you noticed any other kind of networking/internet issues on either computer?
[02:00] <ringer> swoody, no - both connect to the internet ok. No other computers are on the (local) network
[02:01] <swoody> ringer: also, can you ping her IP just as you entered it into your Vinagre settings? Try: ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -c 3
[02:01] <swoody> where the x's are her IP
[02:02] <swoody> (from a terminal)
[02:02] <ringer> yes - ping responses in 1.3 ms
[02:02] <swoody> good
[02:02] <swoody> ringer: have you tried SSH'ing to her computer at all? Any luck there?
[02:03] <ringer> ssh <IP_ADDRESS> connection refused
[02:04] <ringer> so that would suggest firewall?
[02:04] <ringer> because ping worked ok
[02:04] <swoody> ringer: have you setup and configured sshd (the ssh server) on her computer? If not, you won't be able to ssh into it, and I wouldn't bother setting it up just to test it
[02:04] <swoody> I was more curious if you had already setup/used SSH
[02:05] <ringer> no not use ssh before
[02:05] <swoody> ok, that's np then.
[02:07] <ringer> swoody, are you suggesting I install sshd on her m/c? It is not currently installed.
[02:07] <swoody> ringer: have you restarted her computer since you selected to "Allow other users to view your desktop"?
[02:07] <ringer> swoody, no, I'll try that
[02:07] <swoody> ringer: no, no need. Again, I was just curious if you had already used it. No need to bother installing and setting it up :)
[02:08] <swoody> ringer: do try that, or try: sudo /etc/init.d/vino restart
[02:08] <swoody> on her computer
[02:10] <ringer> ha - hold on - I forgot her password already!
[02:10] <swoody> haha, that may not be good ;)
[02:11] <ringer> also have a sticky key - just trying to sort it out
[02:12] <ringer> remembered the password now but she's not in sudoers - just having to fix that
[02:13] <stlsaint> celthunder: ping
[02:15] <ringer> swoody, /etc/sudoers is read only. Do I need to chmod or am I looking at the wrong file
[02:17] <swoody> ringer: from her terminal, run: su username
[02:17] <swoody> (where username is whoever has sudo privelages)
[02:18] <swoody> then once logged on as that user, do: sudo visudo
[02:18] <swoody> ringer: does that make sense, or am I just mucking things up? :)
[02:19] <ringer> swoody, no I think I understand.
[02:20] <swoody> so if the account Bob on her computer is the one with sudo priv. then you would do: su bob (to login that terminal as bob) and then: sudo visudo (to edit the sudoers info)
[02:21] <ringer> swoody, yes I did that (her account is jill) so I did su jill
[02:22] <swoody> ringer: but you said she doesn't have sudo privelages?
[02:22] <swoody> you were trying to add her as a sudoer?
[02:22] <ringer> swoody, it did not return an error. How can I check if she has sudo?
[02:23] <swoody> ringer: try something simple like: sudo apt-get update
[02:23] <swoody> you can also view the /etc/sudoers list to see there
[02:24] <ringer> swoody, it says she is not in the sudoers file. I thought su jill would amke her 'superuser'
[02:25] <swoody> ringer: no, sorry about that confusion. Is there an account on her computer that currently has sudo rights?
[02:25] <swoody> or is hers the only account on it?
[02:27] <ringer> swoody, no, I have an account but I'm not in sudoers either!
[02:27] <swoody> ringer: ah, so there's no sudoers? That's a tale of a different horse ;)
[02:28] <ringer> sw is /et/sudoers the right file?
[02:28] <swoody> ringer: yes it is
[02:28] <ringer> swoody, i did a cat sudoers and it said permission denied.
[02:28] <ringer> but sudo apt-get update is working for me!
[02:29] <stlsaint> swoody: sup
[02:29] <swoody> ringer: well that is odd, but glad it's working :)
[02:29] <swoody> ringer: now from your account, do: sudo visudo
[02:29] <swoody> heya stlsaint :)
[02:31] <swoody> ringer: it's not recommended to edit the /etc/sudoers file directly, it's best to do it via visudo. If this doesn't work, you can either create a password temporarily for root, or you could boot from a liveCD and edit the file
[02:33] <ringer> swoody, sudo visudo worked - my username not listed but %admin ALL=ALL is there
[02:33] <ringer> perhaps I made myself in admon group but can't remember how
[02:33] <swoody> ringer: you're probably a member of the admin group.
[02:34] <swoody> so you could either add her to the admin group, or add her as a sudoer
[02:34] <stlsaint> bgs000: sup
[02:34] <ringer> swoody, can't remember how to add people to admin group
[02:35] <swoody> ringer: logged in as your user, go to System>Admin>Users and Groups
[02:36] <swoody> pick the user name you want to edit, and click 'Manage Groups'
[02:37] <ringer> swoody, just looked - I'm not in any groups!
[02:37] <swoody> hmmm... and visudo didn't show any users either? that's odd :/
[02:38] <ringer> swoody, head is spinning - am enjoying getting to grips (or not) with linux but it is late & I need to sleep
[02:38] <ringer> swoody, many thanks for your help - I will try again tomorrow
[02:38] <swoody> ringer: it's np :) Feel free to stop by when you have time, and hopefully we can get this working for ya
[02:39] <ZachK_> swoody!!!!!!!!
[02:39] <swoody> heya ZachK_ :)
[02:39] <ZachK_> swoody: pm please
[02:40] <ZachK_> swoody: or -team
[02:48] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> how do I install adobe reader on 64bit
[03:01] <swoody> heya ZeRoDeAtH50435 :) Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[03:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> 10.04
[03:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> got adobe flash installed this morning
[03:04] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> have to restart
[03:05] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well, you can install it via the medibuntu repo
[03:05] <swoody> d'oh
[03:06] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> back
[03:07] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well, you can install it via the medibuntu repo
[03:07] <swoody> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[03:07] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: then: sudo apt-get install acroread mozilla-acroread acroread-plugins
[03:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> command doesnt work
[03:25] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: what error does it give you?
[03:25] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Package acroread has no installation candidate
[03:28] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: did you do apt-get update already?
[03:28] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I did what was on the page
[03:30] <swoody> try: sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread acroread-plugins
[03:30] <swoody> do those two work?
[03:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> no
[03:47] <stlsaint> anyone try this out??? http://www.menuetos.net/
[03:48] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: try searching in Synaptic, does anything come up for Adobe Reader?
[03:51] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> nothing for adobe reader
[03:53] <stlsaint> swoody: adobe can be installed via wine
[03:55] <pleia2> I think it's in medibuntu repos
[03:55] <pleia2> oh, swoody said that :)
[03:55] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> but I have had it installed on 9.10 64 bit so I dont know why 10.04 is giving me trouble
[03:56] <swoody> does medibuntu only come with the 32bit? and won't install on a 64bit? :/
[03:57] <swoody> otherwise I'm not too sure what's going on there
[03:57] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> i installed it
[03:57] <pleia2> ZeRoDeAtH50435: what does your medibuntu line look like?
[03:57] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: ah, gotcha.
[03:57] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> dont know have not used it yet
[03:58] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: did you add it to /etc/apt/sources.list, or did you just copy/paste the command into your terminal to add the repo?
[03:58] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yet I just did
[03:59] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> oops yeah
[04:00] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: can you tell us what the repo info says: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[04:01]  * swoody wonders if they just haven't added Adobe Reader for Lucid?
[04:02] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ## Please report any bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/
[04:02] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ lucid free non-free #Medibuntu - Ubuntu 10.04 "lucid lynx"
[04:02] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ lucid free non-free #Medibuntu (source) - Ubuntu 10.04 "lucid lynx"
[04:03] <swoody> I guess not: http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/index.html
[04:03] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ?
[04:03] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well, if you'd like to get Adobe Reader, you can edit that file, and change 'lucid' to 'karmic' for the time being
[04:04] <swoody> you'll have to remember to update it later on when they add Reader for lucid
[04:04] <ravibn> Hi! When I try to access http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/bruceky/Whirlwind-14-Whats-new-in-C-4-Events/ it shows up the player in Firefox But when I press play button nothing comes up why?
[04:04] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> well is there something like reader that I could use
[04:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> 10.04 LTS comes out 29th of this month
[04:05] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: are you looking to read .pdf's in Firefox? Ubuntu does come with evince to read .pdf's that you download. Is there anything you needed in specific?
[04:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:06] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> some I can read docs for school
[04:07] <swoody> ravibn: for me it tries to download the video file or open it with a video player. Is this what you're aiming for?
[04:07] <ravibn> swoody : thanks for the reply. I just wanna watch this on the browser
[04:08] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well yeah, if you just need basic .pdf reader capability, there's evince which is included with Ubuntu, and there are many other programs out there which wil do the same thing - try looking for "pdf" in Synaptic, and see if any of the other ones tickle your fancy :)
[04:08] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok thanks
[04:10] <swoody> ravibn: open a new tab in FF, and in the URL bar enter: about:plugins
[04:10] <swoody> what's listed there?
[04:11] <swoody> any flash plugins, or Multimedia Plug-in's?
[04:11] <ravibn> hangon swoody
[04:12] <ravibn> the browser crashed
[04:12] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: then I would also keep an eye on this site: http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/index.html
[04:13] <swoody> ZeRoDeAtH50435: when you see acroread pop up on that list, it'll be available to download through their repository :)
[04:14] <ravibn> swoody : http://pastebin.com/Hkey7Qgk
[04:16] <swoody> ravibn: well the video file is an .mp4, and one of the plugins you have looks like it should play it...
[04:16] <swoody> however, I got it to play in browser with my vlc plugin.
[04:16] <swoody> In a terminal, try: sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[04:17] <ravibn> if u look at the pastebin I hv the vlc plugin
[04:19] <swoody> hmmm... that is true, but it doesn't list mp4 under vlc...
[04:19] <swoody> it has it under xine and totem
[04:20] <swoody> I wonder if they're conflicting with one-another...
[04:21] <swoody> try: sudo apt-get remove xine-plugin totem-mozilla
[04:22] <ravibn> Yeah! It removed that Xine plugin I will try now playing it
[04:23] <swoody> does it list mp4 under totem still? Does it also show it under the vlc plugin now?
[04:23] <ravibn> let me see that
[04:25] <ravibn> only sliverlight and shockwave is installed everything else is gone
[04:25] <swoody> it doesn't show the VLC plugin anymore?
[04:26] <ravibn> nope
[04:26] <swoody> ok, try: sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[04:26] <swoody> it's the hefty VLC plugin that can handle just about anything ;)
[04:26] <swoody> it's the only one I have installed, and I can play just about everything on the web
[04:27] <ravibn> yes! VLC is back after installation
[04:27] <swoody> great, and does it show mp4?
[04:28] <ravibn> yes! it shows mpeg4
[04:28] <swoody> excellent :) Try out the vid again.
[04:29] <ravibn> I went to the url and it is working now Thank you
[04:29] <swoody> np, enjoy :)
[04:34] <ravibn> swoody : one more Q . I cannot see the control buttons on the player why?
[04:34] <swoody> ravibn: no idea, I can't either, lol
[04:35] <swoody> space doesn't pause either :/
[04:35] <swoody> right-click doesn't do anything...
[04:35] <ravibn> oops : we have no control to go fwd or bckw Is this a bug in VLC ?
[04:36] <swoody> Could be. I'm not thinking it would be FF :/
[04:37] <ravibn> Nope none of them work
[04:38] <swoody> ravibn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/source/vlc/bug/179473
[04:39] <swoody> it's been around for a while it looks like
[04:41] <ravibn> any workarounds ?
[04:41] <swoody> ravibn: well, if it bugs you, you can always right-click on the image that you clicked on to start the movie, select 'Save link as' and then play it from your desktop
[04:42] <ravibn> any other plugins that can work properly ?
[04:42] <swoody> or if you don't feel like waiting for it to download, you can File->Open Network Stream from VLC
[04:42] <swoody> hmm...
[04:42] <swoody> not sure, I haven't given it a shot. Gimme one min...
[04:46] <swoody> ravibn: well, it looks like you can install the w32codecs from the Medibuntu repository...
[04:46] <swoody> and use those with totem/xine
[04:46] <swoody> ravibn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[04:47] <swoody> then: sudo apt-get purge mozilla-plugin-vlc && sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:48] <ravibn> should I run the command on that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu ?
[04:49] <swoody> ravibn: yeah, run the first command on there, the big one
[04:49] <ravibn> Ok!
[04:49] <swoody> then copy/paste the one I posted above ^
[04:49] <swoody> sudo apt-get purge mozilla-plugin-vlc && sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:49] <swoody> we might have to reinstall the totem or xine plugin for mozilla, but we'll see if this does it first
[04:51] <ravibn> hang on it is currently running that big command
[04:55] <ravibn> That big command got over I am running the command u gave me and it is doing it right now
[04:56] <swoody> hmm... well I installed the codecs I posted above, and totem, and now the controls are there, but the movie doesn't play, haha
[04:57] <swoody> let's see if it works for you
[04:57] <ravibn> try xine
[04:59] <swoody> playing with that now...
[05:03] <swoody> lol, sorry I was playing with it, the video wasn't ;)
[05:03] <swoody> and it's still not :/
[05:04] <ravibn> Ok! my w32codecs is still downloading and it is insanely slow
[05:04] <swoody> yeah, mine took nearly 3 mins :/
[05:05] <swoody> dang, xine doesn't look like it wants to play either...
[05:05] <swoody> one more to try...
[05:10] <ravibn> u feel better to live with vlc without the controls ?
[05:11] <swoody> I think it may be the only way to get this thing to work :/
[05:11] <swoody> I didn't have any luck with mplayer, totem, or xine
[05:11] <swoody> at least vlc will play it
[05:11] <talsemgeest> Anyone have any idea of how to make a gui windows app run under wine sending its gui output to vnc on a headless cli server?
[05:11] <swoody> and like I said, for now if you want the controls, you can always right-click, save-as for the time being
[05:11]  * talsemgeest is amazed he put that into one sentanc
[05:12] <talsemgeest> *sentance
[05:12]  * swoody applauds talsemgeest :)
[05:12] <swoody> lol
[05:12] <talsemgeest> Haha
[05:13] <swoody> ravibn: and also this way, you can get rid of the Medibuntu repository, too
[07:57] <man0riaX> Heya
[07:57] <Raidsong> hello man0riaX
[11:53] <man0riaX> Booh
[13:43] <_CommandeR_> zup long time no see
[16:50] <Guest65224> hi all, is there a way of setting a program to only appear (from launch) in a second workspace?
[16:50] <Guest65224> ie: i want to launch Google Calendar and for it to launch in a second workspace
[18:21] <leoquant> nmap shows tcp-wrapper-d with an open port, etc/initd shows no tcpd, so is tcp-wrapper needed in a non server situation? if not how can i kill this tcpd?
[18:27] <ibuclaw> leoquant, are you using nmap from outside the network?
[18:31] <leoquant> ibuclaw from zero open ports, from outside this tcp wrapper
[18:31] <leoquant> inside
[18:32] <ibuclaw> eh?
[18:33] <ibuclaw> so scanning your network from outside it shows that one port is open?
[18:33] <leoquant> sorry from inside 0 open ports
[18:33] <leoquant> ibuclaw yes
[18:33] <leoquant> its weird
[18:33] <ibuclaw> leoquant, behind a router?
[18:33] <leoquant> yep
[18:34] <ibuclaw> check router config?
[18:34] <ibuclaw> (for port forwarding)
[18:34] <leoquant> yes i have not tried that, i will give it a try
[18:35] <ibuclaw> if nothing is being port forwarded on the router, one can only assume that it is probably the router itself to blame.
[18:35] <leoquant> could i close it via ufw for instance?
[18:36] <ibuclaw> the job of the router is to drop packets, so nothing can connect to your network / internal machines unless you tell it to.
[18:36] <ibuclaw> leoquant, it won't make a difference.
[18:36] <leoquant> ok
[18:36] <leoquant> i'll take a look in my "box"
[18:36] <leoquant> latersz
[18:39] <pedro3005> hello ibuclaw
[18:45] <leoquant> ibuclaw i set/reset it (router/modem) to its default values, new pass 0 open ports. thx
[18:45] <leoquant> (new modem pass)
[18:48] <leoquant> have a nice evening/day all
[20:49] <_CommandeR_>  nice
[20:49] <_CommandeR_> lucid 10.4 and eveything works smoothly with all my new boot screen aswell :P
[20:49] <swoody> _CommandeR_: very good to hear :)
[20:49] <_CommandeR_> this is my new bootscreen =) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-4xTkN1_RQ
[20:50] <_CommandeR_> not my video bot same working bootscreen and it is awesome :P
[20:50] <swoody> _CommandeR_: that's wicked cool :D
[20:51] <_CommandeR_> better than standard lucid one, ugh the pink was driving me mad
[20:51] <hobgoblin> you need to sort your eyes out :D
[20:52] <_CommandeR_> pink is not my thing :P
[20:52] <hobgoblin> :) /me tries out space-sunrise ...
[20:52] <_CommandeR_> you need plymouth
[20:53] <_CommandeR_> gonna post a short guide on how to get it to work in lucid on the forums.
[20:53] <_CommandeR_> the script needs a few "tweaks"
[20:53] <hobgoblin> I have that - currently boots with solar
[20:54] <_CommandeR_> the space-sunrise need a few fixes.
[20:54] <_CommandeR_> need to give it a timer and edit some plymouth to make it play the sequence.
[20:54] <_CommandeR_> if you have encrypted drive you dont need to do it :P
[20:54] <hobgoblin> I likely not bother then - it is never there long enough to worry about much :)
[20:54] <_CommandeR_> ubuntu seems to have an odd implementation of plymouth
[20:55] <hobgoblin> but looks pretty good :)
[20:55] <_CommandeR_> it not mutch of work to get it to work really, and it works on my core 2 intel 1.7Ghz and 965 intel
[20:56] <_CommandeR_> but I am really awsomed of few tweaks done to the nautilus :P
[20:58] <hobgoblin> which ones?
[20:59] <_CommandeR_> 1 sec upploading screen :P
[21:00] <_CommandeR_> http://bayimg.com/image/paldbaaco.jpg
[21:00] <_CommandeR_> see the awesome nautilus :P
[21:01] <_CommandeR_> and google :
[21:01] <_CommandeR_> :3
[21:04] <hobgoblin> mine doesn;t look like that
[21:05] <hobgoblin> perhaps it's the /home
[21:05] <_CommandeR_> no whole natilus is that for me, it is "modded"
[21:06] <hobgoblin> oic
[21:06] <_CommandeR_> few things from gnome-look
[21:06] <_CommandeR_> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nautilus-MOD+%28final+version%29?content=121675
[21:08] <_CommandeR_> install that then scrool down to post 8 and download the thems then you can edit it some for your own look and feel
[21:08] <hobgoblin> :)
[21:09] <hobgoblin> well I'm off cya
[21:09] <_CommandeR_> o7
[22:50] <Phrea> can one update the list of hardware drivers in the hardware driver screen?
[22:50] <Phrea> not sure how it's called in english, we use Ubu in Dutch
[22:50] <Phrea> there never seem to be updated drivers in that screen
[22:51] <Phrea> my gf uses an ATI card, and I KNOW for a fact that the installed drivers are older than the current supported drivers