[01:26] <diddledan> there we go
[01:26]  * diddledan getting used to irssi
[01:26] <daftykins> D:
[01:27] <daftykins> where've you been sir?
[01:27] <diddledan> I rebooted into somewhere that didn't have irc :-p
[01:27] <daftykins> D:
[01:27] <diddledan> so now I'm working on getting ssh-able irssi
[01:28] <daftykins> now now, such places don't exist!
[01:28] <diddledan> hehe
[01:44] <dwatkins> ssh host -t 'screen -dr'
[01:44] <dwatkins> sorted
[01:49] <diddledan> wheee
[01:49] <diddledan> ahem, I mean.. oh dammit, too much excitement for 2am in the morning o'clock
[01:49] <daftykins> on a school night too :(
[01:49] <diddledan> indeed
[01:49] <daftykins> what's future diddledan going to say?!
[01:50] <diddledan> probably find he'll be snoring
[01:51] <daftykins> ja but future future diddledan will be hammering an alarm clock into the wall whispering obscenities
[01:54] <diddledan> lol
[02:17] <diddledan> so if anyone's around: what package do I file this bug against?: in saucy solliloquy (13.10) apache2 can't seem to tell the difference between a file and a folder when serving a site off an HFS+ filesystem. (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6451364/ you'll note it's looking for .htaccess files as children of images.) so the problem could be with the hfs+ kernel module or it could be with apache (at this juncture). a similar story is found here: http://sv
[02:17] <diddledan> did any of that get cut off? (it finished with the word "behaviour")
[02:18] <daftykins> yeah "...http://sv"
[02:18] <diddledan>  http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2010-05/0308.shtml which suggests that the problem may lie in shared code between svn and apache (namely the APR library).
[02:18] <diddledan>                    or it really is the kernel module. I'm flummoxed and surprised very few references exist about similar behaviour
[02:18] <diddledan> 02:17 < diddledan> did any of that get cut off? (it finished with the word "behaviour")
[02:19] <diddledan> eww
[02:19] <diddledan> that was evil, sorry me
[02:20] <diddledan> I guess nobody uses HFS+ shared filesystems
[02:21] <diddledan> which surprises me because it's the only one that can be shared between osx and linux without losing UNIXy things like symlinks
[02:23] <ali1234> no
[02:23] <ali1234> you lose the journal if you write to it from linux
[02:23] <diddledan> ali1234: I'm prepared to sacrifice the journaling
[02:23] <ali1234> and that kind of indicates the code quality isn't great
[02:23] <diddledan> heh
[02:24] <diddledan> so what would work better for shared filesystem between osx and linux which allows me to retain UNIX permissions and symlink capability?
[02:24] <ali1234> nothing
[02:24] <diddledan> bingo
[02:24] <diddledan> hence why I'm doing it this way
[02:24] <ali1234> just stop using osx
[02:25] <diddledan> >.<
[02:25] <diddledan> yeah. that
[02:25] <ali1234> it's not like it has any software you can't run on windows
[02:25] <diddledan> I need OSX about for iOS packaging
[02:25] <ali1234> well there's that i suppose
[02:26] <ali1234> stop using iOS also?
[02:26] <daftykins> XD
[02:26] <daftykins> alright Stallman, get off ali1234's computer and give it back to him
[02:26] <diddledan> lol
[02:26] <ali1234> i was just about to recommend a nice android phone
[02:27] <diddledan> wow, andoird is pushing it beyond stallman's comfort zone
[02:27] <diddledan> think of all those binary blobs
[02:28] <ali1234> you can't have a phone without binary blobs. it is impossible
[02:28] <diddledan> that won't stop stallman moaning about it
[02:28] <ali1234> even if you made one totally from scratch, it would infringe thousands of patents
[02:28] <daftykins> my Nexus 4 is really proving that android goes like Windows XP, which is what directhex said
[02:29] <daftykins> it's only playing the sounds to notifications for one particular program intermittently now i swear
[02:29] <ali1234> if by that you mean "it's really fast when you remove all the OEM shovelware" then i agree
[02:29] <daftykins> once the 4.4 update comes out i may have to factory reset it
[02:30] <daftykins> me? nah the Nexus 4 comes without any crap
[02:30] <ali1234> exactly
[02:30] <diddledan> I can't believe the galaxynexus has been abandoned in terms of software
[02:30] <diddledan> it's only a year and a bit old
[02:30] <daftykins> ali1234: more that performance degrades over time
[02:30] <ali1234> (over 2 years)
[02:31] <ali1234> it was discontinued over a year ago
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> my laptop didn't run out of battery today \o/
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> well last night
[07:44] <MooDoo> yay
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> time to boil some water
 02:30:07> I can't believe the galaxynexus has been abandoned in terms of software <- believe it. only apple supports users long enough to fulfil a 24 month contract
[08:21] <popey> Morning
[08:22] <popey> directhex: what does ms do with wp?
[08:22] <directhex> popey, wp7 owners were shafted by wp8
[08:22] <Myrtti> I just slapped CM on my Galaxy Nexus (as Ubuntu Touch seemed to be a bit useless for me) and it's marvelous
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is really funny. Microsoft is suing a Patent Troll, who it licensed some patents to, who then sued it for patent infringement: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/microsoft-sues-patent-troll-saying-it-broke-contract-to-license-mobile-tech/
[08:23] <MooDoo> i love CM :)
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Only winners? Lawyers...
[08:24] <Myrtti> why haven't I heard of BountySource before? shocking
[08:24] <directhex> not all WP7 devices got 7.5, not all 7.5 devices got 7.8
[08:24] <directhex> basically a disasterpiece
[08:24] <directhex> CM is a band-aid, and a mediocre one
[08:25] <directhex> e.g. wife's HTC Sensation with CM, the camera failed to record video, and screen flicker meant daily reboots
[08:28] <popey> and are updates to windows phone delivered by ms like apple deliver ios updates?
[08:28] <popey> or is it in collaboration with handset maker(s)
[08:29]  * popey considers an egg-based breakfast
[08:30] <Myrtti> I'm not sure should I venture to make tea
[08:30] <Myrtti> not 100% certain the milk is ok
[08:42] <jussi> if it doesnt have clumps, its fine :P :P
[08:42] <directhex> popey, handset makers, sadly
[08:43] <popey> be interesting to see how jolla does
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh yes! http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2012/UltimateManwich.htm
[08:47] <popey> http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/11226/sticky-belly-pork looks like lunch
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> And there's me on a 500cal day.
[08:48] <popey> that does look good
[08:48] <MooDoo> 500cal?  wow
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: For me it's actually rather easy.
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> just don't eat?
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't really feel that hungry
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Until tonight yes.
[08:49] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm always hungry and need about 2K a day :S
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I might have an apple at lunch or something perhaps.
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: That much aluminium and silicon in your diet can't be good
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's supposed to be extremely good for you
[08:50] <popey> ooh, i need to get that pork in now if it's going to be ready for lunch
[08:52] <directhex> i'm ravenous
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> directhex: are you from Traal?
[08:52] <directhex> yes
[09:11] <popey> nomnomnom
[09:11] <popey> pork →  oven
[09:14] <popey> http://imgur.com/WPlbspy,I3s6jfZ,puUutCd,70r51U3,OIoteiR
[09:14] <popey> muhahahah
[09:14] <jussi> popey: NOM
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: you must hate working from home
[09:14] <popey> hah
[09:15] <popey> wifey works half day today so i thought I'd have something nommy for lunch ready when she gets in
[09:15] <Myrtti> you know
[09:15] <Myrtti> that actually looks disgusting.
[09:15] <popey> hah
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: heathen! :)
[09:16] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I know, I'm shocked by this feeling myself
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have some friends over for dinner tomorrow night. I will be making a goats cheese and seared lettuce tower on toast as a starter, followed by chicken en papillote, hassleback potatoes and bundles of green beans.
[09:16] <Myrtti> hasslebacks ♥
[09:16] <popey> oooh good call
[09:17] <popey> my kids love hasslebacks, will do them at the weekend
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:21] <popey> i appear to be the only person in this house who eats the crusts
[09:21] <popey> I'd happily buy a loaf of bread which was just crusts, no middle slices
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd like to hold the bean bundles together not with bacon but with something vegetarian, was thinking about either wrapping in a strip of cavalo nero, or perhaps, making a "disk" of something with a hole through the middle to hold the beans together? Like a large tomato, or something similar... I don't think the tomato will hold up in the oven somehow...
[09:22] <popey> something soaked/wilted and fashioned into a string?
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Spinach?
[09:23] <popey> spring onion?
[09:23] <popey> http://apassionateplate.com/green-bean-bundles-with-bacon-balsamic-glaze/
[09:23] <popey> spinach would taste nicer
[09:23] <popey> s/popey/popeye/
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> That might work actually, I could imagine rolling a bunch of wilted spinach into a long thin string-like thing
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> spaghetti 8-)
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm, that's not bad popey. Thanks.
[09:25] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: nori?
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: That kind of thing did cross my mind actually ;-)
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - bigcalm That's a good bloody idea.
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've sheets of the stuff.
[09:26] <bigcalm> :)
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Does it soften in water?
[09:26] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think that might work really well.
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will do a quick test this evening... :-)
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Green beans, boiled, blanched & drained, bundled (wrap with either wilted spring onion or strips of nori), then finished in the oven for 10 mins with a garlic, herb & olive oil dressing"
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nom
[09:32] <popey> does sound nom
[09:33] <diplo> You guys are making me hungry!
[09:33] <diplo> Morning all btw :)
[09:41] <mungbean> i got a popping cando freddo this morning
[09:42] <mungbean> and i have this tune stuck in my head
[09:42] <mungbean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghTrcPBp3s
[09:42]  * DJones thinks he won't click on the link so he doesn't get a tune stuck in his head
[09:44] <mungbean> dooo ittt
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Use Less Stuff Day! :-D
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> | less
[09:46] <JamesTait> No, no.
[09:46] <JamesTait> less stuff
[09:52] <Laney> stuff: No such file or directory
[09:55] <DJones> ..Use less stuff, hmmh, just received a delivery of 'stuff' from the office supplies depot, decides to use the stuff anyway
[10:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:05] <JamesTait> Last night I discovered that I had a 26-core ribbon cable lying around.  "Ah!", I thought to myself, "I know what I could connect that to!"
[10:05] <JamesTait> And so I ended up spending the evening playing with the Raspberry Pi and a bunch of LEDs connected to the GPIO connector.
[10:06] <GentileBen> I hope this is going somewhere JamesTait.
[10:06] <GentileBen> Otherwise I'll have to destroy you.
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: funky :)
[10:07] <JamesTait> And it reminded me of the indiegogo campaign, and that I really ought to chip in.
[10:10] <GentileBen> RPi is a slippery slope.
[10:10] <GentileBen> I ended up wanting one of those Haswell NUC boxes.
[10:11] <GentileBen> They're like the size of a cigarette box but fully featured x86 PCs.
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Allow me to direct you: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: ^--^
[10:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: bigcalm This is the kind of effect I'm after but with green beans. Think Nori will work really well. Thanks.
[10:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/images/carrot-bundles.jpg
[10:14] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:15] <DJones> We should have a !picluster factoid "Alan Bell is involved in a kickstarter campaign to link multiple Rasberry Pi's in a cluster to build Ubuntu for the Pi, closely followed by the installation and sentience of Skynet"
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> indiegogo*
[10:15] <DJones> Go spot
[10:15] <DJones> good
[10:19] <deersi> hi, Can anyone help in connecting a 3.5G iBall USB modem on Ubuntu 13.04. Iv'e installed usb-modeswitch and Sakis3G but Sakis fails to switch the modem.
[10:26] <AlanBell> deersi: sakis is a bundle of horrificness :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> deersi: can you do lsusb in a terminal and paste here *just* the line that looks like a modem
[10:28] <AlanBell> if you can't see one that is obvious, remove the modem, lsusb again and see which line comes and goes as you pop the modem in and out
[10:42] <GentileBen> TheOpenSourcerer, my old friend.
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> 'sup GentileBen
[10:44]  * popey can smell lunch cooking slowly
[10:46]  * DJones wonders how to file a bug against the NHS Prescription Prepayment application website, "Enter account holders name, ok joint account "Me & Her" Error Can't have anything punctuation apart from . or ,
[10:47] <deersi> hi, Can anyone help in connecting a 3.5G iBall USB modem on Ubuntu 13.04. Iv'e installed usb-modeswitch and Sakis3G but Sakis fails to switch the modem.
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> deersi: AlanBell just gave a few directions
[10:48] <DJones> 10:28 < AlanBell> if you can't see one that is obvious, remove the modem, lsusb again and see which line comes and goes as you pop the modem in and out
[10:49] <neuro> wheeeee
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> neuro: please, no weeing in the channel
[10:49] <DJones> deersi: As above (you may have missed it with the timeout fromfreenode)
[10:49] <neuro> MartijnVdS: did I say "wee"?
[10:49] <neuro> i don't think i did ;)
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> neuro: well it *sounds* similar
[10:50] <neuro> yeah but it doesn't have the same meaning, does it?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> neuro: maybe..
[10:50] <neuro> maybe for you, you foreign person :)
[10:50]  * neuro grrrrs at the 3 website
[10:51] <neuro> can't log in from chrome, what's that all about
[10:51] <popey> same for orange
[10:51] <popey> which is one reason I left them
[10:51] <neuro> heh
[10:52] <neuro> luckily i have a mate who works for 3, am hassling him now
[10:52] <neuro> and when I say "works for 3", I don't mean some dude in customer support, i mean he helped build their mobile app
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> so He Knows People
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> , probably?
[10:53] <neuro> yeah
[10:53] <Myrtti> I've not had problems with 3 with chrome, is this some new development
[10:53] <neuro> the last few weeks I think
[10:53] <neuro> used to work for me no problem
[10:53] <neuro> the login box is a little iframe and after mashing on the login button you get a greyed iframe with the unhappy chrome guy inside
[10:54] <neuro> "connection was reset", which is nice
[10:54] <neuro> haven't tried in firefox yet (not that i've launched firefox in months), or chromium, so might be a mac thing?
[10:54] <Myrtti> fair enough I'm using chromium
[10:54] <Myrtti> let me try with chrome too
[10:56] <Myrtti> works fine on chrome beta
[10:56] <neuro> beta? what ver?
[10:56] <Myrtti> Version 32.0.1700.19 beta
[10:56] <neuro> hmm, 31.0.1650.57 here
[10:57] <neuro> and i can login just peachy in chromium 30.0.1599.114 (which is whatever is currently installable on precise)
[10:57] <neuro> maybe just a chrome 31 thing, but still weird
[10:58] <neuro> gotta love macs ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/4no4qudt4bd99fk/Screenshot%202013-11-21%2010.58.27.png
[10:58] <neuro> XQuartz for the win
[11:35] <popey> my house smells delicious.
[11:36] <arsen> whysat?:o
[11:36] <Myrtti> presumably bacon
[11:54] <popey> because http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/11226/sticky-belly-pork
[11:59] <arsen> very nice.
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: yum
[11:59] <arsen> thoroughly recommend the pit cue cookbook for meat tips.
[12:04] <bigcalm> I wouldn't be able to allow the cooling period. Would just eat it there and then
[12:17] <Myrtti> sister's birthday / christmas present arrived
[12:18] <Myrtti> I'm way too good sister for her, she doesn't deserve me :-/
[12:18] <Myrtti> I should learn to sit on my wallet
[12:19] <Myrtti> (earlier bought her a Nexus 4, now bought her a car bluetooth/fm transmitter handsfree thing)
[12:20] <Myrtti> anyway, Plantronics K100 in car speakerphone Vizor, 10/10 would recommend
[12:20] <mungbean> wow
[12:20] <mungbean> we had to stop buying for siblings and now buy for their kids
[12:21] <mungbean> it became an amazon voucher swapping game
[12:21] <Myrtti> I buy them and the kids techie gifts they wouldn't afford or know how to buy
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> We just buy silly gifts (and LOTS of them) for christmas, and then play a game to see who gets which
[12:21] <Myrtti> since - as you've guessed - I'd have to support them in their techie problems
[12:23] <mungbean> i'm running out of hama beads to make 8-bit characters http://i.imgur.com/zhthxTd.jpg
[12:23] <Myrtti> this years purchases insipired by seeing my niece driving the family car with her iphone in her lap, texting her friends and they fumbling around with ancient cd's in their car stereo
[12:24] <Myrtti> had I known about Moto G a month ago, sister been forced to wait for an extra month and she would've gotten that instead of the N4
[12:24] <mungbean> other ones: http://i.imgur.com/N78tYkc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6ndozg4.jpg
[12:31] <GentileBen> Myrtti how have you found the battery life on the N5, and did you enable ART?
[12:32] <Myrtti> yeah I did enable it, it's good
[12:34] <mungbean> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/19/college-rfid-chip-tracking-pupils-invasion-privacy
[12:37] <Myrtti> ooh UPM Rafsec
[12:44] <nigelb> AlanBell: hi! you about?
[12:46] <AlanBell> o/
[12:59] <mungbean> http://findtheinvisiblecow.com/
[12:59] <mungbean> good game if you WFH
[12:59] <mungbean> or have headphones
[13:08] <GentileBen> Myrtti, I think my battery life improved after I enabled ART but I'd like to see some benches.
[13:08] <Myrtti> it's mostly about the location sharing
[13:08] <Myrtti> that made the biggest difference for me
[13:08] <arsen> 4heh, apparently my browser is unsupported, mungbean.
[13:09] <GentileBen> What about location sharing?
[13:11] <Laney> hahaha
[13:11] <Laney> that game is fun
[13:11] <Myrtti> Google Now is on by default and it polls where you are with GPS/Wifi/mobile - and it's on high accuracy too. If you go to the battery graph and Google Play Services are the biggest drain, click on it and go to "Adjust power use" and change the location settings
[13:31] <popey> Myrtti: hows the job going?
[13:31] <Myrtti> trying to find something like mahara but not mahara at the moment
[13:32] <Myrtti> also trying to think about Scrum tools
[13:32] <popey> like trello?
[13:33] <Myrtti> and how to get students to do open source contributions instead of coding the never ending bookstore / magazine subscription / video rental examples
[13:33] <Myrtti> popey: more like Jira or Redmine, but yes, Trello is on the list
[13:33] <popey> i found an open source implementation of trello-like kanban
[13:33] <Myrtti> Redmine seems to get the coders twitch their faces a bit so I think that option is dead-ish
[13:34] <Myrtti> popey: oh, do share
[13:36] <popey> https://github.com/malclocke/fulcrum
[13:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> We used Redmine - It's OK for our needs (apart from Ruby)...
[13:36] <popey> i span it up on my home server to play with, seems pretty good
[13:37] <popey> http://wholemeal.co.nz/projects/fulcrum.html
[13:48] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, redmine is fine until you try to migrate it...
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> It has some very annoying aspects but as a simple bug tracker that's linked to various internal repos it's fine.
[13:50] <diplo> Fulcrum is ruby aswell it seems :/
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I stopped reading at that point
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> github repo not touched much recently either...
[13:51] <diplo> hadn't noticed that
[13:51] <Myrtti> yeah well we need atleast google apps for domains support, and preferably github/travis integration, planning poker etc.
[13:51] <diplo> I keep debating tinkering with Ruby, but I just really can't get to want to
[13:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seem to me that Ruby just adds a whole new meaning to "dependency hell".
[13:56] <diplo> that's the sense I got from directhex and someone else in here, I did setup a redmine install and it was fairly painless but ...
[13:57] <popey> Use Go!
[14:35] <awilkins> I have a fairly painless Minecraft install recipe if anyone wants it
[14:35] <awilkins> Sorry, Redmine, not Minecraft
[14:36] <awilkins> Redmine + redmine_backlogs plugin is OK
[15:18] <bigcalm> Any badminton players in here able to recommend a good feather shuttlecock?
[15:40] <bigcalm> Latest mobile humble bundle - only Swordigo has any appeal
[15:41] <directhex> you must hate to shoot fish then
[15:42] <bigcalm> directhex: is that one fun as well?
[15:44] <directhex> it involves shooting fish
[15:44] <GentileBen> If only you hadn't said "shuttlecock", bigcalm.
[15:45] <popey> that was the film me and wifey went to see on our first date
[15:45] <GentileBen> I can recommend many different feathers.
[15:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:49] <mungbean> i saw matrix 2 on my first date with wifey
[15:53] <bashrc> was matrix 2 any good? I htink I only ever saw 1
[15:54] <popey> Matrix 1 was one of the first DVDs I owned, before it was out in the Cinema here
[15:55] <bigcalm> bashrc: no need to spoil the 1st film with 2 and 3. Though the Animatrix is good :)
[15:55] <popey> had a Creative DVD player in my Dan P200 PC at the time
[15:56] <awilkins> I agree, Matrix was the first title I ever stuck in my DVD ROM drive / Home DVD player
[15:56] <awilkins> I think I had a Panasonic DVD ROM
[15:56] <arsen> jeeebus, Dan computers!
[15:56] <arsen> that's a blast from the past.
[15:56] <popey> ☻
[15:56] <bigcalm> Finding out that Tron was on DVD caused me to buy a DVD player
[15:57] <mungbean> a mashup of 2 and 3 might be ok
[15:57] <mungbean> but i felt it was too overly complex and twisty turny and the fight scenes with the bad guy who plays elrond in LOTR were stupid and too long
[15:57] <ali1234> no, the matrix sequels were not good. a bit like the star wars prequels.
[15:58] <ali1234> i thought the big battle at the end of 3 was the best part. it's what the dragonball z movie should have been like.
[15:59] <mungbean> the fight scene will 100 elronds was made just for the computer game i felt
[15:59] <popey> lol
[15:59] <ali1234> i mean the 1 on 1 epic battle at the end
[15:59] <popey> 100 elronds ☻
[16:00] <arsen> my first pc was an Escom P75 :<
[16:00] <ali1234> i can see how you could find that boring though - dbz is famous for long drawn out fights
[16:00] <popey> my first pc was an Epson PC 8086
[16:00] <mungbean> http://www.theendisnigel.com/john/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/smiths.jpg
[16:01] <mungbean> i hated that scene was so bored
[16:01] <arsen> ooh
[16:03] <ali1234> mungbean: have you seen the final fantasy 7 movie?
[16:03] <ali1234> you would probably hate that
[16:04] <mungbean> ali1234: i only got a few hours into ff game which i realised was not even a game but a series of cut scenes
[16:05] <ali1234> well, you have to think of those games as movies with a bit of interaction to break up the story
[16:05] <ali1234> rather than a game that gets interrupted with cut scenes
[16:06] <mungbean> yeah, not my thing, although i tried to like it
[16:08] <mungbean> my fave games are elite(and oolite), exile, sensible soccer, ssx, GTA3 and vrally. sure i'm forgetting something important there.
[16:08] <GentileBen>  ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻
[16:12] <ali1234> swos was a good game until someone figured out how to score from the half way line
[16:13] <ali1234> that was a real game breaker
[16:23] <neuro> "Your Amazon.co.uk order of "Xbox One Console: Day One..." and 1 more item(s) has been dispatched"
[16:23] <neuro> a-woo-hoo
[16:33]  * bigcalm orders the SSD before it goes up in price any further :S
[16:33] <Myrtti> dsample's project managers Barclays payment had bounced and Game had cancelled the order :-/
[16:33] <Myrtti> the pm had taken tomorrow off too
[16:33] <bigcalm> Poo
[16:34] <bigcalm> New Zelda game is out for 3DS and 2DS tomorrow. Do I buy a 3DS or 2DS to play it?
[16:35] <ali1234> 3DS: the 2DS is rubbish apparently
[16:35] <ali1234> and you can get a second hand 3DS for less anyway
[16:35] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU4M9WF5wF0
[16:36]  * bigcalm watches
[16:38] <popey> heh, knew that would be ashens
[16:38] <bigcalm> Is this guy that does zeropunctuation?
[16:39] <ali1234> no, but he does sound really similar
[16:41]  * bigcalm looks at his non-girly hands :S
[16:42] <bigcalm> Can you disable the 3d on a 3ds?
[16:43] <ali1234> yes
[16:43] <GentileBen> neuro, are you going to winch it in through the window? It's pretty big.
[16:43] <GentileBen> bigcalm: yes.
[16:43] <GentileBen> Which is why the 2DS is hilariously terribad.
[16:43] <bigcalm> Good :)
[16:43] <GentileBen> bigcalm: the 3D effect isn't that great though.
[16:45] <bigcalm> Going to order from Tesco as I have a £20 off £100 voucher :)
[16:46] <neuro> GentileBen: it's about as big as a big VCR
[16:47] <neuro> it'll be fine :)
[16:49]  * bigcalm reminds himself to catch up on zp videods
[16:50] <GentileBen> neuro: it literally wouldn't fit under my bed.
[16:51] <GentileBen> It can't stand up either. ;S
[16:51] <GentileBen> It only works when laid flat.
[16:51] <GentileBen> ...
[16:51] <neuro> s'fine with  me
[16:51] <GentileBen> Or rather, MS say only horizontal placement is supported.
[16:51] <neuro> it's going into my AV stack, replacing my ps3
[16:51]  * czajkowski pokes davmor2
[16:51] <GentileBen> It's a bigass box you know.
[16:51] <neuro> i know it is
[16:52] <GentileBen> neuro it does have DLNA support doesn't it?
[16:52] <GentileBen> PS4 doesn't have it.
[16:52] <neuro> it will do later i think
[16:53] <neuro> i don't know to be honest
[16:53] <neuro> i don't care either, it won't be used for that ;)
[16:53] <neuro> i have a mac mini for media stuffs
[17:04] <dwatkins> Would a USB bootable version of 12.04.3 (LTS) with persistence, latest updates etc. have the same software as if I'd installed everything on the hard drive?
[17:08] <bigcalm> I think I found the one for me! http://www.tesco.com/direct/nintendo-3ds-xl-black-zelda-link-between-worlds-limited-edition/267-4420.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=267-4420
[17:12] <dwatkins> I considered upgrading to a 3DS, but the 3D stuff gives me a headache.
[17:17] <bigcalm> I want the new zelda game. Won't get that without a 3/2DS
[17:17] <bigcalm> Glad that the 3D bit can be turned off
[17:19] <dwatkins> yeah, maybe it's because I'm astigmatic.
[17:39] <directhex> popey, looking at it, you're right. AGF is written in Unity3D. madness/cool!
[17:40] <popey> ☻
[17:41] <directhex> it's a game development suite, written in a different game development suite
[17:41] <directhex> http://inception.davepedu.com/
 ☻ <-- are you a minstrel, popey?
[18:38] <diddledan> mornin
[21:25] <daftykins> my Nexus 4 just downloaded Android 4.4 :O
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[21:51] <diddledan> daftykins: yey

[21:51] <diddledan> I wasn't watching the channel :-p
[21:51] <daftykins> =]
[21:51] <daftykins> how angry was morning diddledan?
[21:51] <diddledan> daftykins: not too bad actually
[21:52] <diddledan> daftykins: I was in work by 9:30
[21:52] <daftykins> :D
[22:00] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6051jmb8dl3b7po/Screenshot_2013-11-21-22-00-06.png
[22:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yay modern softwares
[22:02] <daftykins> ;)
[22:02] <daftykins> i actually consider these updates quite the non-event for me
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I have a Nexus 5, I've had 4.4 for WEEKS :P
[22:04] <daftykins> haha
[22:04] <daftykins> i can't believe how many people bought it
[22:04] <daftykins> what did you have prior?
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> Galaxy Nexus
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> so I skipped one
[22:05] <daftykins> the first? D:
[22:05] <daftykins> oh that one
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> I had a Nexus One (skipped Nexus S), then Galaxy Nexus (skipped Nexus 4), now a Nexus 5
[22:05] <daftykins> heh tiny bootlogo
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> how often are you going to see that though
[22:06] <daftykins> depends if it decides to bug out with this update again :D
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[22:08] <daftykins> i'm half of the mind to factory reset, truth be told
[22:11]  * MartijnVdS -> Zzz
[22:11] <daftykins> so soon! ta-ra o/
[22:28] <daftykins> it's so wintery my server's disks are 18/20 deg C :D
[22:28]  * dwatkins creates a bootable USB stick 5 miles away
[22:28] <dwatkins> that should be all ready to go by the time I get in tomorrow, give or take 8 hours
[22:29] <daftykins> :D
[22:29] <daftykins> i remember my mum was after something on CD-R when i was at Uni, server was still in Guernsey
[22:29] <dwatkins> also, I landed on the Mun, today has been a good day!
[22:29] <daftykins> text to say put a blank CD in, RDP'd over - wrote it \o/
[22:29] <dwatkins> nice one :)
[22:29] <daftykins> Mun? 0o
[22:30] <dwatkins> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=196978893 daftykins
[22:31] <daftykins> ah :)
[22:31] <dwatkins> slowly getting the hang of all this space stuff
[22:36] <dwatkins> penguin42: you might recognise these from Black Mesa... http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=114784688
[22:36] <daftykins> so is Kerbal SP a sort of - trial and error scenario game?
[22:36] <dwatkins> as might anyone else familiar with the SGI Origin 2000
[22:36] <dwatkins> daftykins: I play it like that, my ships get better incrementally as I discover stuff
[22:37] <daftykins> ah so there's an alternative?
[22:37] <dwatkins> you can reload from a quicksave if you crash into something, but I tend to try not to crash, and instead have contingency plans
[22:37] <daftykins> :>
[22:37] <dwatkins> I also happen to have a script which backs-up my savegame in case a mission is a complete disaster and I want to start all over, but the quicksave was too late in the mission ;)
[22:43] <DJones> popey: just a heads up, my wife's n7 has just updated to kit kat, mine which Is 3months older hasn:t yet
[22:44] <dwatkins> my friend bought a nexus 7 on ebay, it got stolen a week later :(
[22:45] <dwatkins> sadly she hadn't installed Prey
[22:45] <dwatkins> nor had she registered it with immobilise.co.uk
[22:45] <dwatkins> I *strongly* suggest everyone do both these things with all mobile devices and laptops, in case they get nicked
[22:46] <DJones> I've just picked up a 3rd n7 for members
[22:46] <dwatkins> the police and pawn shops check immobilise, and prey might be quite satisfying to use if you get to the last resort of having to remote detonate^W disable the device
[22:46] <dwatkins> ;)
[22:47] <DJones> local store keep  looking At me now when i walk in
[22:50] <daftykins> :D
[22:50] <popey> DJones: yeah, seen various people post screenshots on G+
[22:51] <popey> I flashed one of mine, guess the other will get an OTA update
[22:51] <ali1234> is it on n7 yet?
[22:51] <popey> can't be arsed to go and get it though ☻
[22:51] <popey> yes
[22:51] <ali1234> cool
[22:51] <popey> and n4
[22:51] <ali1234> meh
[22:51] <ali1234> yeah, i have the update waiting :) :) :)
[22:51] <popey> go and get mine would you?
[22:51]  * popey is busy watching Dr Who
[22:54] <ali1234> DJones: i found this earlier: http://askubuntu.com/questions/368068/how-will-people-upgrade-from-12-10-to-14-04-after-13-04-is-eol
[22:54] <ali1234> you have to read all the comments to get the full answer though
[22:54] <penguin42> dwatkins: Haha very nice
[22:55] <popey> didnt they confirm it, you can upgrade from 12.10 to 14.04 directly?
[22:55] <ali1234> DJones: of course, *you* asked that question
[22:55] <ali1234> lol
[22:55] <ali1234> popey: the answer i got from rick wasn't very reassuring :P
[22:55] <popey> it was discussed in one of the earlier sessions wasnt it?
[22:56]  * popey tries to figure out which one
[22:56] <ali1234> it was basically, "i dunno, but i'm sure someone will sort it out"
[22:56] <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/all/
[22:56] <ali1234> it was probably the automated upgrade testing one
[22:56] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-core-1311-lts-upgrade-testing
[22:56] <popey> there you go
[22:57] <popey> Q->T
[22:57] <ali1234> so bdmurray is responsible for figuring out what to do?
[22:58] <popey> ya
[22:58] <DJones> ali1234: basically, the last ansaer in the thread confirms There will be an upgrade process, but Not If it'll Be to lts or 13.10
[22:58] <popey> he's the guy to poke
[22:58] <ali1234> DJones: yeah, i didn't notice you asked that question
[22:58] <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-lts-upgrade-testing
[22:58] <popey> sub to that blueprint
[22:59] <popey> why is my android tablet giving me a notification that Everton are playing Liverpool on 23 Nov?
[22:59] <popey> a google now
[22:59] <ali1234> you can sub to your favourite team's calendar to get fixtures
[22:59] <popey> I once went to liverpool, so google think I'm a footie fan now
[22:59] <ali1234> that's the other possibility
[22:59] <popey> "you searched for this team"
[23:00] <popey> nope, I didnt
[23:00] <DJones> popey: that makes sense, why else would you go to Liverpool
[23:00] <popey> no update on my n7
[23:01] <ali1234> hmm... upgraded to 4.4... there's absolutely no difference with the old version
[23:01] <ali1234> it looks exactly the same
[23:01] <ali1234> didn't even have to reinstall any apps
[23:02] <DJones> ali1234: my wife said she couldn't see a difference
[23:02] <ali1234> the clock doesn't have the bold hours/light minutes thing any more
[23:02] <ali1234> good, i never liked that
[23:03] <ali1234> it didn't even break iplayer
[23:03] <DJones> although, she's collapsing and blacking Out a couple of times a day, so I'm Not confident in what she notices At the moment
[23:09] <daftykins> DJones: ? D:
[23:34] <BigRedS> is there some way to find when the partition table on a volume was last changed?
[23:34] <ali1234> no
[23:34] <BigRedS> yeah, I expected not
[23:34] <ali1234> not any portable way anyway
[23:35] <ali1234> if it's a dos partition table it's literally only a few kb long
[23:35] <BigRedS> yeah, I've just been trying to work out where it might be and stubled across almost nothing
[23:39] <ali1234> why do you want this information?
[23:39] <ali1234> one thing you can do is look at when the filesystems were formatted (depending on FS)
[23:43] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm interested in when it was formatted
[23:43] <BigRedS> but, apparently, I'm not any more
[23:44] <BigRedS> it's an iso9660 fs; someone's unetbootined all over a usb stick
[23:44] <ali1234> what exactly are you trying to do? recover files?
[23:44] <BigRedS> no, it was more out of interest
[23:45] <BigRedS> "are you sure this is the stick you think it is" sort of thing
[23:45] <ali1234> well, try poking around in unallocated sectors
[23:46] <ali1234> or iow just look at the raw disk with a hex editor/strings/grep
[23:48] <BigRedS> yeah, apparently it's become a boring question and I don't have the stick anymore anyway now
[23:57] <TheHustle> Hello, I have an external USB DVD Drive @ "scsi2" on the list of devices in the terminal, please could someone tell me how to mount it
[23:59] <daftykins> as in sda2? what file system does it use?


[03:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's not possible. However, the link might be broken on the blog post. (my bad)
[03:05] <OvenWerks> Ah ok
[03:05] <Pixel01> thanks for the attention and for your work you all!


[20:03] <jamiec> hi! i'm interested in volunteering with the documentation team, is this the right place to be to discuss that?


[03:58] <TeT> hi
[04:01] <dtchen> hi
[04:07] <TeT> My zeitgeist-datah process is constantly in a zombie state, even just after rebooting the system. Is that worth reporting as a bug ?
[04:08] <TeT> (on natty)
[04:08] <micahg> TeT: already reported
[04:09] <micahg> I think, or maybe I just talked to seif about it...
[04:10] <micahg> yep, I already reported it, bug 739780
[04:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 739780 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Session starting with a zeitgeist-datahub zombie process (affects: 53) (dups: 3) (heat: 216)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739780
[04:10] <micahg> err, rather I reported it and was duped to this
[04:11] <TeT> yup
[04:11] <TeT> i'm glad i asked, that's exactly it. I will add myself to that bug. Thanks !
[04:11] <dtchen> yeah, it seems to work fine here
[04:11] <micahg> TeT: so, to get it fixed in natty, we'd need to cherry-pick the fix and SRU it
[04:13] <TeT> Well doesn't make too much sense to me to be honest. But i will read the report and see if i can get it :) Apparently it's not affecting the system in any way. It's just a problem about an already existing zeitgeist-datahub process right ?
[04:14] <micahg> right, that seems to be the conclusion
[04:17] <TeT> Ok. I thought that was the cause of the very bad crash i got randomly since months but it's not... Too bad ! I will have to dig more. Thanks for the info ! Bye !
[04:17] <dtchen> what type of "very bad crash"?
[04:19] <TeT> It's totally random. I just loose control over the system and the memory seems to get used more and more. The hard drive is acting crazy. Sounds like a memory leak or something but i was never able to get where does that comes from. I should take a good look at the logs to get a clue.
[04:22] <dtchen> that symptom sounds a lot like thrashing, which yes would be caused by a badly-leaking app
[04:23] <dtchen> you might be able to tail -F /var/log/syslog (or try multitail) and look for OOM in the final throes
[04:23] <TeT> At first i thought it was related to VLC so i didn't really try to get it into a bug report. But it happens even when i'm not using VLC now. I will try to spend time on that tomorow and eventually come by here to get some help :)
[04:24] <TeT> I just check the syslog and there is definitely something in there. But it's too late now :) Good night guys !
[04:24] <dtchen> 'night
[15:18] <hggdh> penguin42: OK, you are in (in theory); end of this week we will add you, we need to wait a week for (additional) comments
[15:18] <penguin42> Thanks
[15:18] <hggdh> I wish all applications were responded to as fast...
[15:18] <hggdh> and I thought I would be the first to answer...
[15:52] <penguin42> Can I suggest a 'high' for bug 803685  - oops in btrfs isn't pretty (Severe impact on small portion; assuming lots of people aren't hitting it!)
[15:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 803685 in linux (Ubuntu) "[kernel BUG at btrfs/tree-log.c:820!] Ubuntu cannot mount my btrfs /home partition (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803685
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I did not think btrfs was supported in 11.04 ?
[15:54] <penguin42> hmm interesting
[15:55] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Well we distribute the module and btrfs-tools is in main
[15:56]  * penguin42 doesn't know if the installer lets you do it
[16:03] <hggdh> I think you can I do not know either; but I do not use btrfs (at least no FSs here), and it is still loaded on boot
[16:04] <hggdh> also, I would expect the installer to allow you to define btrfs partitions (either standard D-I on server, or alternate, IDK about desktop)
[16:04] <penguin42> bug 788238 seems to be another instance of the same thing
[16:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 788238 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-<IP_ADDRESS> btrfs System does not boot (hang in initramfs) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788238
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Then perhaps it is valid?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> so, is the first one a dup of 788238?
[16:07] <penguin42> I don't think you're supposed to dupe kernel bugs?
[16:08] <hggdh> penguin42: no, you are not, unless the hardware is identical (and the kernel)
[16:09] <hggdh> also, the kernel traces are slightly different, although both have btrfs_mount in the stack
[16:10] <charlie-tca> okay, 803685 done
[16:12] <penguin42> hggdh: Yeh although they're both tripping the same BUG call and both via replat_one_buffer
[16:12] <hjd> could someone take a look at bug 416972. I closed it because the problem went away for the reporter, but someone in the last comment found another way to trigger it. Should I leave a comment encouraging that person to report a new bug?
[16:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416972 in debian (and 3 other projects) "GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_util_uint64_scale_int: assertion `denom > 0' failed (affects: 2) (heat: 7)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416972
[16:13] <hggdh> hjd: better to ask the poster to open a new bug, the code is two releases apart
[16:14] <hggdh> and refer to this one
[16:15] <charlie-tca> penguin42: I agree if the partitioner allows use of btrfs, it should be valid
[16:17] <hjd> hggdh: by "refer to this one" you mean refer to the old bug from the new one, right?
[16:21] <hggdh> hjd: yes indeed, add a link to the old one
[16:24] <hjd> hggdh: ok, done. I was just slightly confused by that second sentence.
[16:32] <hggdh> hjd: sorry
[16:38] <yofel> penguin42: btrfs is an option in the installer, but very easy to break, I'm using for ~2months now on 2 systems and had 2 trashed filesystems already. Also, it might be a good idea to ask in #btrfs what data they might find useful.
[16:38] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh I mean you won't get me using btrfs on anything important for a few years :-)
[16:39] <yofel> well, as long as you have a SSD it's usable, but I'm not trusting it my /home. And you need backups anyway
[16:39] <yofel> snapshotting *is* nice :P
[16:40]  * penguin42 must get an SSD - I fancy the pci-express ones
[16:41] <yofel> I've got a 80GB PCIe one in my desktop PC. <3
[16:42] <penguin42> nice
[16:42] <yofel> loading the bios takes longer than booting natty :P
[16:42] <htorque> unfortunately that's also true with UEFI :(
[16:43] <hggdh> one day I will have the money to get a nice SSD...
[16:43] <htorque> time for coreboot to rule the world ;-)
[21:47] <RenatoSilva> can someone give an answer about bug 733393, comment 12?
[21:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 733393 in emerald (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "[natty, SRU] emerald segfault on launch (affects: 42) (dups: 3) (heat: 227)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733393
[21:48] <charlie-tca> We don't actually work for Canonical. Might want to ask by email direct to them. However,
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Canonical does not really produce Ubuntu, volunteers do
[21:49] <charlie-tca> as to emerald, it is obsolete and unmaintained. It is pretty hard to get a current version.
[21:49] <micahg> RenatoSilva: emerald is in universe and community maintained
[21:50] <charlie-tca> and since it was asked by the same person in several channels, you will get several answers
[21:59] <hggdh> oh, another one shotgunning a question on multiple channels :-(
[22:01] <RenatoSilva> micahg: ok, but in general, how would I find out which repo is it? what's the procedure you know, except for removing the local package so that the repo location 'appears'
[22:02] <micahg> RenatoSilva: if you need an update, you can just file a bug requesting an update and tag it upgrade-software-version
[22:10] <RenatoSilva> you didn't get the question
[22:11] <yofel> RenatoSilva: 'apt-cache policy <package>' will tell you the repository it's from
[22:12] <RenatoSilva> I have a locally installed newer package foo-2.0, but if I didn't, it would be foo-1.0 from repo. Having done it, it shows as local in synaptic, how to know the original source without uninstalling the local version so that foo-1.0 shows up as in repo xyz (rather than in local)
[22:13] <yofel> RenatoSilva: apt-cache policy will still show what version is in the archive and what component it's from
[22:13] <yofel> or look at the source page in launchpad. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald in this case
[22:14] <RenatoSilva> yofel: sorry I didn't read your message before sending. I'd like some ui way but that works fine. Thanks!
[22:15] <yofel> I don't use GUIs much for package management. So there probably is a way, but I don't know one right now
[22:16] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks anyway!
[22:16]  * RenatoSilva tries to stick 'cache policy' into mind
[22:43] <jbicha> RenatoSilva: you could also just visit the Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald lists all the versions with which repo they are in
[22:47] <RenatoSilva> jbicha: yeah thanks, if I forget the command I can go to the package page :)
[23:26] <hggdh> well, synaptic will show where a package came from via right-click and selecting Properties
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> hggdh: you mean this? http://i.imgur.com/aeOXZ.png