 Thanks.
[22:05] <k1l> can anyone confirm? deepblue rings my bell for beeing problematic user anyways
[22:05] <ikonia> where is it spamming ?
[22:09] <k1l> is same user as 58217
[22:12] <ikonia> worth doing anything about ?
[22:13] <k1l> i laready kicked and banned him, since he is ban evading
[22:13] <ikonia> fair enough
[22:26] <phunyguy> hi ikonia
[22:29] <ikonia> phunyguy: what's up ?
[22:29] <phunyguy> nothing... was just trying to lurk, but I have a feeling I am going to get yelled at for it.
[22:30] <ikonia> not at all
[22:30] <ikonia> normally keep the channel clear for if people need the channel (check the topic) but you're certainly not going to be yelled at
[22:30] <phunyguy> I joined by accident a bit ago, and didn't get booted
[22:30] <phunyguy> thanks :)
[22:31] <phunyguy> trying to get a feel for how things go down, etc, because I applied to be op in a couple channels.
[22:31] <phunyguy> I hope that is OK
[22:32] <ikonia> I don't see a problem as long as you don't cause a problem
[22:32] <phunyguy> I will keep my lips zipped.
[22:32] <ikonia> well, pehaps a tad on the extreme side.
[22:33] <phunyguy> yeah well I don't want to get in the middle of things, especially when I am not in a position to.
[22:33] <ikonia> I'm sure you'll see how the channel works
[22:33] <phunyguy> that's the idea.  Thanks
[23:04] <ikonia> Elementofme is this the god guy again ?
[23:04] <k1l> the 66-30- ip range prings alot of known trolls
[23:04] <k1l> *brings
[23:07] <k1l> seems like the prayer guy is even hfsplus
[23:07] <Elementofme> hiiiiiiiiiii
[23:07] <Elementofme> its me
[23:09] <ikonia> I knew it was him as soon as he joined, so tedious
[23:49] <SaveME> !ops


[01:23] <mdke> night homies
[01:23] <mdke> i'm going to italy for a few days holiday :)
[01:23] <mdke> see ya next week
[01:23] <Burgundavia> lucky bastard
[01:24] <mdke> *grins*
[01:24] <mdke> hoy
[01:24] <mdke> enough of that
[01:24] <mdke> wheres the docteam love
[01:26] <Burgundavia> there was lots until I heard you were having a holiday
[01:26] <Burgundavia> is raining here
[01:27] <mdke> hey you live in canada
[01:27] <mdke> its a great country i've heard
[01:29] <Burgundavia> I live in the only part of the country that reliably doesn't get snow
[01:29] <Burgundavia> it is great
[01:29] <mdke> skiing is great tho
[01:30] <Burgundavia> snow should stay on the ski hill
[05:41] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:43] <Burgundavia> salut
[05:43] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, doing well with your flyers?
[05:43] <Burgundavia> haven't worked on them in a bit
[05:44] <jsgotangco> no worries ive already starteddoing some drafts as well
[05:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:44] <Burgundavia> why don't I send you the svg so we don't duplicate work
[05:44] <jsgotangco> sure
[05:45] <Burgundavia> sent
[05:46] <jsgotangco> inkscape right
[05:46] <Burgundavia> correct
[05:46] <Burgundavia> scribus should also be able to play with it
[05:46] <Burgundavia> and scribus can convert it to pdf
[05:47] <Burgundavia> gmail is hacking up an error
[05:49] <Burgundavia> sent
[05:50] <jsgotangco> ok got it thanks
[07:46] <jsgotangco> whats up
[08:02] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, good start
[08:02] <jsgotangco> ill play around with stuff as well
[08:03] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:03] <Burgundavia> I kind of dropped it
[08:03] <Burgundavia> when I realized we weren;t going to have a table
[08:03] <Burgundavia> but until then I put about 10 hours into it
[08:03] <jsgotangco> hmm?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> we're getting a table
[08:04] <jsgotangco> why now
[08:04] <jsgotangco> not
[08:04] <Burgundavia> at linuxfestnorthwest
[08:04] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[08:04] <jsgotangco> well future events we'll get a table
[08:04] <Burgundavia> the people who were to join me fell apart
[08:04] <jsgotangco> sorry to hear that
[08:04] <Burgundavia> hey, my talk went off fine
[08:05] <jsgotangco> oh thats great any violent reactions from the natives
[08:05] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:06] <Burgundavia> a linux crowd, so I had a pretty friendly audience
[08:13] <jsgotangco> brb switching to kubuntu
[09:06] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:06] <jsgotangco> this is interesting
[09:06] <jsgotangco> froud: hello
[09:36] <froud> hello
[09:36] <Burgundavia> salut
[10:42] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:42] <mdke> hi ken
[10:42] <mdke> Kinnison,
[10:42] <mdke> dammit
[10:42] <mdke> you know what i mean
[10:42] <mdke> hi all
[10:43] <mdke> jsg, whats with the streamlined nick?
[10:44] <jsg> you don't like it?
[10:44] <mdke> sure i do
[10:44] <mdke> just didn't recognise ya
[10:44] <jsg> ohhh
[10:44] <mdke> felt like you'd had a haircut
[10:45] <mdke> :)
[10:45] <jsg> i'm in a vanilla Kubuntu install right now and it feels so alien to me
[10:45] <mdke> vanilla kubuntu... sounds tasty
[10:47] <jsg> im not so familiar with kubuntu install but i still had to create a root user just to fix some stuff since sudo wont even work
[10:47] <jsg> which is strange
[10:47] <jsg> hmm
[10:47] <mdke> jsg, that is odd
[10:47] <mdke> we really need to get DocTeamWebPortal sorted out
[10:48] <jsg> hmmm
[10:48] <jsg> whats keeping you busy anyway
[10:49] <mdke> had some exams
[10:49] <mdke> today i'm off to italy for a few days
[10:49] <jsg> hmmm what you going to do there
[10:50] <jsg> i'd like to go there one time
[10:50] <mdke> gtg to class now, maybe be in later, otherwise have a good weekend and i'll see ya next week
[10:50] <mdke> byeeee
[10:51] <mdke> see my girlfriend :)
[10:51] <jsg> blah
[10:52] <mdke> ok gtg
[10:52] <mdke> bye
[10:52] <jsg> bye
[12:44] <jsg> see you guys later
[12:44] <abelli> ksg ?
[12:44] <abelli> jsg: ?
[12:45] <jsg> jsgotangco :D
[12:45] <abelli> jsg: i need to speak with you :)
[12:45] <jsg> why?
[07:30] <sm> hi all
[07:30] <sm> mdke: restricted page types as you requested
[07:31] <Burgundavia> salut sm
[07:32] <sm> hi Burgundavia
[07:32] <sm> out of interest, do you remember what problem you had with wiki search the other day ?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> me?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:33] <Burgundavia> minor interface tweak
[07:33] <Burgundavia> add another button titled "search" near the top
[07:33] <Burgundavia> as most people don't look at the rest and thus have to scroll down about 2 pages to find the button (if they don't know that enter does the same thing)
[07:37] <sm> ok I'm not sure what you mean.. I'd say more if you have a url for it
[07:37] <sm> if not, np
[07:40] <Burgundavia> on the search page
[07:40] <Burgundavia> place a button for search right next to the main entry box
[07:40] <Burgundavia> as most people don't use most of the advanced features
[07:40] <Burgundavia> and hunting for the search button is very annoying
[07:41] <sm> I'd need a url
[07:41] <sm> there are at least two wikis and three search forms
[07:41] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search_form
[07:42] <Burgundavia> this one
[07:42] <sm> gotcha.. the plone advanced search form
[07:42] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:42] <Burgundavia> is ther another search form?
[07:43] <sm> there's a bunch :)
[07:43] <sm> there used to be a small one at the top right of the page (now just a link)
[07:43] <sm> there's zwiki's search form , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ouch
[07:44] <sm> there's the search that's done when you type http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/nonexistenturl
[07:44] <Burgundavia> seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=blah&fulltext=Search
[07:44] <sm> and of course the other sites/wikis people may be using
[07:45] <sm> not recently.. that's nice
[07:45] <Burgundavia> lucene
[07:45] <Burgundavia> running with gcj, as wp is even more fanatical about free than ubuntu
[07:46] <sm> I'll format the zwiki search more like it
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cool
[07:47] <Burgundavia> the other cool thing is that it has one search box
[07:47] <Burgundavia> rather than many, like the plone one
[07:48] <sm> agreed
[07:49] <Burgundavia> many confuses me (and if it confuses me, it is sure to confuse aunt tillie)
[07:49] <sm> ubuntu site doesn't need the advanced search form
[07:49] <Burgundavia> not really
[09:31] <Burgundavia> see me talk: http://cs.georgefox.edu/~jdodson/videos.php
[09:53] <sm> Burgundavia: I like your "if that somehow does not work"
[09:54] <sm> you act all surprised :)
[09:55] <Burgundavia> things are supposed to work, dammit


[12:31] <LaserJock> stgraber: your welcome email has : "Than you for registering an Ubuntu ISO Testing account!" should be Thank
[12:32] <stgraber> oh, both pochu and heno didn't notice this one :)
[12:32] <stgraber> thanks
[12:59] <LaserJock> stgraber: you testing amd64 or i386?
[12:59] <stgraber> i386
[01:00] <LaserJock> k, me too
[01:00] <LaserJock> I'm doing one Server Addon check right now
[01:00] <LaserJock> I'll have to wait until I get home in a couple hours to do the WinFOSS check
[04:49] <nrayever> hi
[04:50] <nrayever> i was wondering if anyone had ever tried to boot edubuntu in terminal using a small hd?
[05:02] <nrayever> anybody??
[05:08] <LaserJock> I haven't
[05:09] <LaserJock> and I'm thinking most people are asleep right now
[05:09] <LaserJock> nrayever: you could certainly try the edubuntu-users mailing list
[05:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:49] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:51] <sbalneav> Hey!
[05:51] <sbalneav> Ollie get a tribe out the door?
[05:51] <sbalneav> I am sooo beat
[05:51] <sbalneav> We got 8 yards of soil today.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Me and the kids got it all spread around.
[05:51] <sbalneav> My back hurts.
[05:52] <sbalneav> I'm cold, and there are wolves after me.
[05:52] <sbalneav> Now my youngest son's talking smack about my typing.
[05:53] <sbalneav> It's a tough old life.
[06:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav: no, tribe 4 had some issues
[06:10] <LaserJock> the Desktop CDs were oversized
[06:11] <LaserJock> so we ended up having to take out tuxpaint
[06:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: there was also some apt issue that messed up LTSP stuff I think
[07:44] <melinate> anyone around who knows how to set up the DHCP server?
[10:01] <ktama> Hello, I am a beginner edubuntu and English. I have a question.
[10:02] <ktama> I made thin client environment to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
[10:05] <ktama> the client can not find USB flash memory, How do I solve this problem?
[10:35] <ogra> ktama, did yu use that with the edubuntu server isntall or was that system istalled from a liveCD ?
[10:40] <ktama> I install ubuntu-japanese-localize version, and I refer to edubuntu serever made by my teacher
[10:41] <ktama> I am sorry, I am poor at English
[10:42] <ktama> I use synaptic packege manager to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
[10:52] <dhq> which is the best typing tutor
[10:55] <ogra> ktama, edubuntu server comes with ltsp set up and installed out of the box already
[10:57] <ktama> OK, Mr.ogra. I install edubuntu server. thank you!
[12:19] <edubuntugirl> man that was a long sleep
[12:20] <ogra> edubuntugirl, morning dear bot :)
[12:20] <edubuntugirl> ogra: *blink*
[12:31] <encompass> if anyone wants to try my little GSoC program, give me a message and I can show you how to get it started. http://launchpad.net/pystart
[12:32] <encompass> needs some testing and I have a few questions for the people that use it.
[12:34] <encompass> ogra: edubuntugirl is a bot?
[12:38] <edubuntugirl> encompass: yep.
[12:39] <highvoltage> encompass: nice logo for pystart. what does pystart do?
[12:40] <highvoltage> (public holiday here, just woke up an hour ago :) )
[12:49] <encompass> highvoltage: doesn't it say?  It is a program to help teachers teach python
[12:49] <encompass> yeah
[12:51] <encompass> highvoltage: if you need help setting it up I can help you
[03:08] <Watersevenub> Is there any updated page similar to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications?action=show&redirect=ApplicationSelection? which shows the applications of Edubuntu?
[03:58] <ogra> Watersevenub, i dont think so ... we worked on a spec for a voting mechanism etc but thats not there yet
[03:59] <ogra> Watersevenub, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.gutsy/files the union of desktop and live should give you a pretty detailed list though
[04:00] <Watersevenub> ogra, thank you.
[04:04] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:04] <juliux> morning sbalneav
[04:05] <ogra> sbalneav, good timing ;)
[04:06] <sbalneav> For showing up?
[04:06] <ogra> yeah
[04:06] <sbalneav> Whats up?
[04:06] <ogra> 2mins before a release is good timing i think ;)
[04:06] <sbalneav> lol
[04:07] <ogra> one bad ldm bug showed up bte
[04:07] <sbalneav> \o/ for me
[04:07] <ogra> *btw
[04:07] <sbalneav> Yeah, that one's already fixed in my tree
[04:07] <ogra> bug 131259 ?
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131259 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LDM doesn't disconnect ssh on logout" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131259
[04:07] <sbalneav> but other things are broken, so don't sync at the moment
[04:07] <ogra> i wont
[04:07] <ogra> i'll care for Q-Funk's LinuxBIOS stuff now
[04:08] <sbalneav> yeah, squashed that 2 days ago.
[04:08] <ogra> and want to try to get something basic out of the ltsp-manager code
[04:08] <sbalneav> Oh, excellend.
[04:08] <ogra> so we have *something* in gutsy as base for LTS
[04:08] <sbalneav> I've got the lang menu populating now, I just need to get the session menu going.
[04:08] <ogra> francis is already busy writing specs :)
[04:09] <sbalneav> :)
[04:09] <ogra> i'D like to substitute locale names with a table like gdm uses
[04:09] <ogra> even thats ugly code, it will look a lot better for the user
[04:09] <sbalneav> yeah, that'd be nice.  Since we're going to get all the basics in for this release, it'll WORK, we'll get the polish on for the lts release.
[04:10] <sbalneav> I'm VERY excited about gutsy
[04:10] <ogra> (gdm has a translation table so de_DE becomes "German")
[04:10] <ogra> it totally limits the set of locales but is way way cleaner
[04:10] <sbalneav> We can just steal^H^H^H^H^Huse that code.
[04:10] <ogra> yeah
[04:11] <sbalneav> ogra++
[04:11] <sbalneav> I hurt.
[04:11] <sbalneav> I moved 8 yards of soil ysterday.
[04:11] <ogra> what i'D like in gutsy already is a hardcoded xterm session as fallback
[04:11] <sbalneav> Oh, yeah, that'll be in there.
[04:11] <ogra> ouch
[04:12] <sbalneav> That's like an entire DUMPTRUCK full
[04:12] <ogra> susie bougth a handmower for me ... to get rid of my belly
[04:12] <sbalneav> one. Wheelbarrow. At. A. Time.
[04:12] <ogra> now i have to mow 600sqm once a week with that thing
[04:13] <sbalneav> Well, that'll make your legs an back strong.  Won't do much for your belly. :)
[04:13] <ogra> well, feels rather like its "good" for my sholders
[04:14] <sbalneav> Yeah, it'll be  an upper body workout.
[04:14] <ogra> yep
[04:14] <ogra> well
[04:14] <ogra> at least i'm forced to move ...
[04:14] <sbalneav> What did you have before? A push gas/electric, or a riding mower?
[04:14] <ogra> electric
[04:15] <sbalneav> Yeah, same here.
[04:15] <sbalneav> I hate gas mowers
[04:15] <sbalneav> too ruddy nosy, and bad for the environment.
[04:15] <ogra> the ground isnt big enough for a gas one imho
[04:15] <ogra> susie would like one
[04:15] <juliux> ogra, have fu wiht your handmower
[04:15] <juliux> fun
[04:15] <ogra> juliux, i already had ... (can hardly lift my arms)
[04:16] <sbalneav> I'll reassign the ldm bug to me, and mark it in progress.
[04:16] <ogra> oki
[04:16] <sbalneav> and post a comment.
[04:20] <sbalneav> Could you mark bug #109270 as a wishlist?
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109270 in ltsp "[FR]  user list in ldm" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109270
[04:20] <sbalneav> I don't have that option.
[04:20] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, it would be nice if the server option isnt shown in the preferences as long as (# of servers) == 1
[04:21] <ogra> but that can be LTS as well indeed
[04:22] <sbalneav> Actually, I'll get that going for this release.
[04:22] <sbalneav> because that's the way I want it as well.
[04:22] <sbalneav> I'm getting a real education in GTK programming, let me tell you :)
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, and we should probably make it read something like LDM_THEME so its possible to override the default theme from lts.conf
[04:23] <ogra> else you would have to run update-alternatives and ltsp-update-image all the time
[04:24] <ogra> and it would make per cliet themeing possible ...
[04:24] <sbalneav> Yeah, THAT can be for gutsy + 1 :)
[04:26] <ogra> well its only a getenv call and a strcpy, no ?
[04:26] <sbalneav> We should also do something next time for bug #67397
[04:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67397 in ltsp "LDM session information should be cleaner" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67397
[04:26] <sbalneav> Along the same lines as the gdm lang code.
[04:26] <ogra> same as the locale thing
[04:26] <ogra> snap :)
[04:26] <sbalneav> right.
[04:27] <ogra> i wanted to do te locale thing in ldm1 already, but debian complained that i'D hide stuff
[04:27] <ogra> same for the sessions
[04:27] <ogra> if you have xfce installed in ldm1 it really gets messy ...
[04:27] <ogra> you have xfce and xfce-session ...
[04:27] <ogra> same for icewm
[04:28] <ogra> debian insisted to have each window manager as well in there, not only the sessions
[04:28] <ogra> i want only the sessions ... debian can send patches if tehy want to call WMs directly imho
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya
[04:38] <sbalneav> Going up for breakfast.  Will be popping in and out all day.
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: not sure if you're back, could edubuntu make tribe 4?
[05:07] <ogra>  /topic :P
[05:08] <highvoltage> great! thanks ogra :)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> sawasdee
[06:11] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: rsync?
[06:11] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: excuse me?
[06:11] <highvoltage> hmm
[06:14] <Spec> Heya...I'm about to do a presentation on ltsp/edubuntu....anyone know any rough figures of how much paid-for-support usually costs? (yearly)
[06:15] <highvoltage> Spec: from whom?
[06:15] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[06:15] <Spec> That's not really important. I'm just gonna briefly mention that paid for support exists, and it usually runs about xxx-xxx$
[06:15] <highvoltage> Spec: I've done presentations on LTSP and Ubuntu before, if you'd like to steal some ideas
[06:15] <Spec> highvoltage, yessir definitely!
[06:15] <ogra> Thin client and cluster support 	$1200 (USD)* 	$4000 (USD)*
[06:15] <Spec> 1200-4000$ / year?
[06:15] <ogra> first is 9x5 second 24x7
[06:16] <Spec> ah hah, excellent #rs
[06:17] <Spec> anyone have support #rs for a 16-comp win lab?
[06:18] <highvoltage> Spec: I've uploaded them to http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/presentations/
[06:18] <Spec> nice
[06:20] <highvoltage> wow, I didn't remember that my ubuntu talk had so many slides :)
[06:21] <Spec> for the heading of a slide containing just webernet links
[06:21] <Spec> what should it be?
[06:21] <Spec> "hyperlinks"? "webernet links"? i'm talking to government peoples / low income housing
[06:28] <LaserJock> ogra: wahoo, it made it! :-)
[06:28] <ogra> LaserJock, yeah
[06:29] <LaserJock> ogra: on the rebuild the amd64 LiveCD lost 55MB!
[06:29] <ogra> addon looks sweet btw
[06:29] <LaserJock> so I had pitti put es lang packs back on
[06:29] <ogra> yeah, there is still some space
[06:30] <LaserJock> ogra: thanks, still need to mess with icons and get some more apps on there :-)
[06:30] <ogra> but additionally there must be something else that was added
[06:30] <ogra> i'll investigate before tribe5
[06:30] <LaserJock> the LiveCD installs fine :-)
[06:30] <ogra> well, i'm not a fan of the new fusa applet
[06:31] <ogra> seems so silly on the live dsktop
[06:31] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but ...
[06:31] <ogra> but seb urgently wants to keep it there
[06:31] <ogra> it doesnt work on ltsp either
[06:31] <LaserJock> ogra: well, seb128 said he needs to hack on something to get it to not die if it's not installed
[06:31] <ogra> so i'm inclined to throw it out completely
[06:32] <LaserJock> it was off, but then stgraber reported that the LiveCD gives an error when you load up
[06:32] <ogra> else we need to hack up ldm to create ~/.Xauthority
[06:32] <LaserJock> I guess because the applet is in the default panel profile
[06:32] <ogra> it was added over night
[06:32] <ogra> the error is gone
[06:33] <ogra> but now we have the applet eating panel space "Live CD User"
[06:33] <ogra> (and nothing to switch to)
[06:33] <LaserJock> I totally agree though that it's not great on LTSP
[06:33] <LaserJock> well, I *did* like that it shows you your still using the live CD
[06:33] <ogra> the only use case i see for it is that you can access users and groups through a rigth click now
[06:34] <LaserJock> I've seen several cases when people didn't know if they were on the livecd or not
[06:34] <LaserJock> RichEd-1: ping
[06:35] <ogra> he's got a day off today iirc
[06:35] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[06:35] <ogra> he said so at the meeting
[06:35] <LaserJock> ogra: I was thinking of adding actual menu items (not in a submenu) to install the xfce and KDEedu stuff together
[06:35] <ogra> sounds good
[06:36] <LaserJock> ogra: I haven't looked at the logs of the meetings yet
[06:36] <LaserJock> I think all I should need is to put the edubuntu-addon-  metapacks on the addon cd
[06:36] <LaserJock> and then make a desktop to install edubuntu-addon-light and edubuntu-addon-kde
[06:36] <ogra> thats a trivial seed change
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, and I can even do that now
[06:37] <ogra> yup :)
[06:37] <ogra> feel free all the time :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> haha
[06:37] <LaserJock> k
[06:38] <LaserJock> and with Colins great idea of using the app-install-data-edubuntu package, I can upload changes anytime and they show up on the next daily
[06:38] <ogra> yeah
[06:38] <ogra> anyway, i'll take off for today ...
[06:39] <LaserJock> ok, you deserve it :-)
[06:39] <ogra> i'll probably drop by later though
[06:39] <LaserJock> I've got a lot of real life work today
[06:39] <LaserJock> but maybe later I'll upload a new edubuntu-addon-meta
[06:39] <LaserJock> and tweak the seeds
[06:56] <highvoltage> ogra++ :)
[06:56] <highvoltage> I was busy rsyncing it but I reached my cap and had to start over :/
[06:58] <LaserJock> ouch
[08:04] <Cooldude37554745> Heya i need help
[08:04] <Cooldude37554745> How to i get access so i can delete stuff?
[08:05] <Cooldude37554745> I need help how do i make firefox start at google not at edubuntu.com
[08:05] <Cooldude37554745> ??
[08:06] <Cooldude37554745> ANYONE
[08:06] <LaserJock> Cooldude37554745: Go into Edit -> Preferences
[08:06] <LaserJock> phew
[08:12] <highvoltage> phew?
[08:13] <LaserJock> that Cooldude character seemed like trouble
[08:13] <highvoltage> seemed a bit impatient.
[08:15] <stgraber> ogra, sbalneav: I'll update the test classroom I'm managing tomorrow afternoon, I currently have Feisty server running ltsp from Gutsy and I'm going to rebuild the chroot with latest ltsp, do you have one with fixed ldm2 around ?
[08:20] <stgraber> sbalneav: if you have some kind of patch for ldm2 fixing that issue, I can also rebuild the package myself, it's no problem (as I have to rebuild the package anyway for backport on Feisty)
[08:22] <stgraber> oh, and while I am at it, what's the easiest way to fix the resolution to 1024x768 on all clients ? (it's causing some problem with vnc if they are running on different resolutions)


[01:25] <GridCube> stgraber, :) hello
[01:26] <stgraber> hi GridCube
[01:26] <GridCube> I wonder, we should start doing test already, pre-alpha1 tests, so we need to report them, can we use the current tracker? or is it not ready yet?
[01:27] <stgraber> it should be ready in 5 minutes or so, loading the last export of the DB now
[01:27] <GridCube> :o
[01:27] <stgraber> I'll send an e-mail to ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-testing and ubuntu-release when it's ready
[01:27] <GridCube> :P im not part of any of those
[01:27] <GridCube> add an x to a few and sure XD
[01:31] <GridCube> one question if you can, whats XMLRPC?
[01:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: that build seems to have succeeded, BTW, as did the cronned one
[01:31] <cjwatson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML-RPC
[01:32] <cjwatson> specifically http://docs.python.org/library/xmlrpclib.html
[01:33] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, I did some testing on it, found a bug, fixed it and the fix maybe even made it for the cronned one :)
[01:33] <GridCube> cjwatson, yes i read that already, its data transference protocol, but what for?
[01:34] <cjwatson> the ISO tracker's API
[01:34] <cjwatson> e.g. getting the list of products, posting a new build, etc.
[01:35] <GridCube> oh, so its not for users?
[01:36]  * cjwatson is not in a position to say whether that's true or not :-)
[01:37] <stgraber> Eventually yes, when the API is stable and documented
[01:37] <stgraber> currently users can only list milestones and products, so not that useful
[01:37] <stgraber> for alpha-2 I expect users to be able to push new results using it and be able to query quite a bit more (list of results, list of builds, ...)
[01:38] <GridCube> mmhmm i see
[01:38] <stgraber> at the moment we mostly use it to post new builds to the tracker (and that's a pretty restricted call ;))
[01:38] <GridCube> it was weird to me because it was under "user profile"
[01:39] <stgraber> ok, so http://<IP_ADDRESS> is running with the latest import, I re-imported the daily testing results and my sanity check of the DB looks good. Guess it's time to e-mail the lists.
[01:39] <GridCube> another question, when i click on my nick where it says "hello GridCube" it sends me to "Access Denied"
[01:39] <stgraber> GridCube: right, everyone can set an API key, what you can actually access is then based on your rights
[01:40] <stgraber> GridCube: oh, I guess I should fix that (remove the link probably). On a regular Drupal that'd send you to some settings page, but as we use Ubuntu SSO, that page is disabled.
[01:41] <GridCube> oh, ok
[01:41] <GridCube> so where do i store the specs under the test was done? on a comment of the results? (like we use to do anyway?
[01:41] <GridCube> XD
[01:42] <GridCube> also its not possible to report test results that are "not" current? if i download an image and test it and when i go to report it it has changed, i cant report it?
[01:53] <stgraber> GridCube: at the moment, I'd recommend storing the specs in the comment as the hardware specs is one of the feature that's disabled for alpha-1
[01:54] <stgraber> GridCube: the tracker doesn't allow users to report results for superseded ISOs. If you're sure it'll affect the new version too, just report it against it and mention it in the comment field
[02:05] <GridCube> stgraber, :) thanks
[02:05] <GridCube> that sounds rasonable
[02:13] <GridCube> sorry for being such a bother
[02:13] <GridCube> :)
[08:56] <pitti> Daviey, jibel: do you know whether the i386 server failure on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/job/precise-server/lastFailedBuild/#showFailuresLink is a bug in the tests or an actual problem with the ISO?
[08:58] <jibel> pitti, this is a bug with the test
[08:58] <jibel> error: Failed to define domain from /var/lib/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/tests/b9fce8d5-8542-451f-94c0-8212bc3138b6/libvirt.xml
[08:58] <jibel> the iso is good
[08:59] <jibel> first time I see this error
[09:00] <pitti> jibel: for example, the mysql one had some new unexpected default databases, presumably due to the migration to 5.5; but it's curious that this doesn't affect amd64, too?
[09:02] <pitti> jibel: also, how far do the desktop/alternate tests go? do they just end at successful termination of the installer, or do they also check that the installed system boots into a desktop?
[09:08] <jibel> pitti, the system is rebooted, then it runs some post installation tests, like checking that FS is RW, permissions of the encrypted home, if it's an LVM install that LVM is mounted properly.
[09:08] <pitti> jibel: nice!
[09:08] <jibel> one of the objective of this cycle is to extend the number of tests run post install.
[09:09] <pitti> jibel: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/ is indeed quite fast
[09:09] <pitti> I mean with running and reporting the tests after new ISOs appear
[09:10] <pitti> o_O I was going to ask you why i386 OEM was shown as failed, but I can't find info in the details; reloading https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/ now shows it as passed
[09:11] <pitti> anyway, so much the better :)
[09:11] <jibel> indeed, it could be improved if we used unsafe-io and tmpfs. The current bottleneck is disk and we can run only 8 to 10 tests at the same time.
[09:12] <jibel> desktop installed failed because of the bug we talk about last friday.
[09:12] <pitti> ah, so it was re-run and then succeeded?
[09:13] <jibel> yes
[09:13] <jibel> I did a test over the week and ran a desktop installation in a loop 20 times. 50% of the tests failed with an 'Invalid argument' error
[09:14] <jibel> I did the same with an Oneiric image, and there was no failure.
[09:14] <jibel> *week end
[09:15] <pitti> ah, same host platform, I assume?
[09:15] <pitti> so supposedly some kernel change
[09:15] <jibel> same environment, same image and nothing else was running on the test env.
[09:16] <jibel> right, I'll move it there and ask the kernel team to have a look.
[09:17] <jibel> pitti, another user reported the same failure but with vbox on a mac.
[09:17] <jibel> I have no report of this error on hardware yet.
[09:18] <pitti> I just finished a successful install in kvm, but I might just have been lucky
[09:18] <pitti> jibel: was this ever reproduced on a host running the precise kernel?
[09:19] <jibel> pitti, not tested.
[09:19] <pitti> (that's what I tested just now)
[09:20] <pitti> jibel: I suppose you use virtio?
[09:20] <jibel> pitti, yes
[09:22] <pitti> I just did a 10000 times loop of copying /bin/bash to the mounted /dev/vda1, and it works fine
[09:23] <pitti> I'll try installing the lucid kernel and booting the image in kvm when running that
[09:48] <cjwatson> jibel: d-i uses unsafe-io for itself; maybe ubiquity should too ...
[09:49] <cjwatson> at least if it just created the filesystem for itself and isn't working on an existing one
[10:04] <pitti> jibel: just commented on the bug, seems I can't reproduce this :( having luck when not asking for it, I guess
[10:05] <pitti> jibel: it could be worth a try if it also happens when using -hda instead of virtio, that should have fewer requirements for the involved kenrels
[10:05] <pitti> that might be a good enough workaround for now
[11:01]  * cjwatson moves *-mismatches generation to lillypilly
[11:02] <cjwatson> Daviey: if you'd like to work on integrating component-mismatches-mir-track into component-mismatches proper, it's in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools now
[11:03] <cjwatson> it's still not very nice code but I've cleaned it up quite extensively
[11:07] <Daviey> cjwatson: oooo!
[11:07] <Daviey> cjwatson: I'll do that.
[11:08] <Daviey> cjwatson: I didn't realise you were looking at, component-mismatches-mir-track .. but the code that produces that is not suitable for open sourcing :)
[11:08] <cjwatson> I wasn't, but you mentioned it a while back and I remember you wanting to get access to the underlying c-m code
[11:09] <cjwatson> and I'd generally like to encourage efforts to improve those reports
[11:12] <Daviey> ah, right
[11:14] <cjwatson> jibel: hm, what's https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-desktop-i386_encryptedhome/lastFailedBuild/ about?  the d-i syslog is empty
[11:18] <jibel> cjwatson, the failure is the 'Invalid argument' error. syslog is empty because there's a bug in the framework and the output is not redirected to the log file on the host as it should be. I'll fix that.
[11:20] <Daviey> cjwatson: lillypilly only has i386 and amd64 archive, right?  How is powerpc, armel and armf being checked?
[11:20] <cjwatson> jibel: where is that error displayed?
[11:21] <cjwatson> Daviey: lillypilly:~ubuntu-archive/mirror/ has dists/ for all architectures
[11:21] <Daviey> ah, sneaky
[11:21] <Daviey> thanks
[11:21] <cjwatson> I got IS to poke some rsync holes for me
[11:21] <Daviey> heh
[11:21] <jibel> cjwatson, in the VM's syslog.
[11:22] <cjwatson> I can't see that in the build artifacts?
[11:22] <cjwatson> oh, "the output is not redirected to the log file on the host as it should be"
[11:22] <cjwatson> ok
[11:36] <knome> cjwatson, does example-content still ship *buntu* logos?
[11:41] <cjwatson> knome: no idea
[11:41] <cjwatson> I only ever do drive-by work on example-content
[11:42] <knome> okay, who should i contact?
[11:42] <cjwatson> I don't know - desktop team maybe? </flails>
[11:42] <knome> mhmm
[14:02] <stgraber> good morning
[14:04] <infinity> Can't prove it.
[14:06] <ogra_> mine was good ...
[14:07] <ogra_> (for the statistics)
[16:52] <infinity> So, who feels good about me uploading a new eglibc 3 days before A1?
[16:52] <ogra_> o/
[16:53] <ogra_> wouldnt be exciting without such uploads
[16:53]  * infinity smirks.
[16:53] <ogra_> well, we just found that our omap3 images arent working without a new kernel upload
[16:54] <infinity> Good, then I'll get my armhf omap kernel too!
[16:54]  * ogra_ loves the pre-milestone excitements and surprises
[16:54] <infinity> Since apw committed the fix for that.
[16:55] <apw> ogra_, whats up with -omap3, if leann aware?
[16:55] <infinity> apw: Broken display driver, just came up.
[16:55] <ogra_> apw, not sure, ppisati just discovered it ... seems there is a completely new display driver on omap
[16:56] <ogra_> which is in our source but not enabled in the config
[16:56] <ogra_> so its a simple config change =m to =y i think
[16:56] <apw> god we should just throw arm out of the kernel :)
[16:56] <ogra_> haha
[16:56] <infinity> apw: *glare*
[16:57] <infinity> apw: We're kinda trying to head in the other direction. :P
[16:57] <apw> don't i know it
[16:58] <apw> ogra_, is this omap4 ?
[16:58] <ogra_> apw, sadly not
[16:58] <ogra_> omap3
[16:59] <apw> bah
[17:02] <ogasawara> skaet: ^^ there's a patch to resolve the above omap issue but it will require a new kernel upload
[17:02] <ogasawara> skaet: want to get your ack before uploading
[17:04] <skaet> ogasawara, would be nice to have omap3 working for alpha1 for a change,  any other side effects?
[17:04]  * skaet just reading the comments from oneiric's alpha1 about omap3...
[17:04] <ogasawara> skaet: it's only a config change and only affecting arm, so shouldn't have other side affects
[17:04] <ogra_> uuuh, dont !
[17:04] <ogra_> :)
[17:05] <skaet> ogra_, ...?    seriously??
[17:05] <ogra_> i mean dont read the 11.10 comments :)
[17:05] <skaet> *whew*
[17:05] <ogra_> thats just depressing
[17:05] <skaet> thanks for the head's up ogasawara,  go ahead then.
[17:05] <ogasawara> skaet: the patch has been tested too -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2011-November/018002.html
[17:06] <skaet> pitti ^^ fyi.
[17:06] <ogasawara> skaet: thanks
[17:06] <ogra_> skaet, thanks :)
[17:06] <pitti> skaet: thanks for the ping
[17:06]  * pitti will be gone now, Taekwondo time
[17:09] <skaet> bye pitti,  have fun.
[17:19] <infinity> skaet: FWIW, I'll be making an eglibc upload later today with similar "only affects ARM" properties.
[17:20] <infinity> skaet: In fact, should be "only affects armhf", which is clearly not even part of Alpha 1. :P
[17:21] <skaet> infinity,  if it only affects armhf,  what's the impact of it waiting until after alpha 1 is out?   eglibc does tend to have a fairly wide impact...
[17:22] <cjwatson> it'd slow down the armhf bootstrap
[17:22] <cjwatson> AIUI it's critical-path for it
[17:27] <infinity> ^
[17:27] <skaet> infinity,  if it only affect armhf, ack then.   Thanks for the head's up.
[17:28] <skaet> infinity,  will it be able to land before 2100 UTC?  (soft freeze)
[17:37] <infinity> skaet: In 4 hours?  Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Still running through some test build mojo to make sure it's sane.
[17:38] <infinity> skaet: More likely to land tonight my time, so several hours past freeze.
[17:39] <cjwatson> eglibc isn't one of the packages that causes trouble if it's out of sync across architectures, at least
[17:40] <infinity> Nope.
[17:45] <skaet> infinity,  having troubles interpreting that Nope...  are you agreeing with cjwatson?
[17:49] <infinity> skaet: Yeah.
[17:49] <infinity> Sorry, I've been awake for $way_too_long, not very verbose.
[17:54] <skaet> infinity,  please see if you can avoid the autobuilding,   or coordinate it with pitti if it gets that late.   Would like to make sure we get a clean set of initial images if possible.
[17:55] <skaet> since we'll be testing out using the new iso tracker, and would like to try to keep the churn factors down.
[17:58] <cjwatson> last armel build time was 5h35, other arches well under that
[17:59] <infinity> Yeah, there's not much hope of squeezing in before the next armel builds.
[18:01] <skaet> infinity, ping me or pitti then when its ready, and we'll see what best options are then.
[18:03] <stgraber> skaet, pitti: btw, I mentioned during the release meeting that you can now leave notes on a per-build basis, that feature is fairly well hidden in the admin UI. If you want to do so, you'll need to go in Administration, then Builds and click on the version number in the right most column.
[18:03] <infinity> skaet: Mmkay.
[18:03] <skaet> thanks stgraber
[18:03] <stgraber> skaet, pitti: if the build you want to change isn't in that column, you'll have to manually tweak the URL to include the right build ID
[18:04] <stgraber> I guess I'll need to get myself a work item on making the admin UI a bit more consistent and potentially move all of the admin stuff in the admin UI instead of having admin actions in the user UI too
[18:05]  * skaet likes consistency
[19:20] <micahg> is alpha 1 freeze at 2100?
[19:21] <stgraber> skaet: CCed you on a RT ticket (upgrades using update-manager being broken because of extras.ubuntu.com not containing precise). Not sure what our expectations are for upgrades from Oneiric to Precise for alpha-1
[19:22] <stgraber> if you think it's critical that it works, you may want to poke IS about it (deej is having a look at it now) :)
[19:22] <skaet> stgraber, thanks.
[19:23] <skaet> micahg, yes 2100 is alpha1 softfreeze.   One known exception.
[19:23] <stgraber> skaet: RT #49544
[19:23]  * micahg rushes to upload chromium before the freeze
[20:51] <pitti> skaet, infinity: so I guess I'll kick off a complete set of images tomorrow, after checking that the kernel and eglibc have built (although we don't really need to wait for eglibc, I guess)
[20:52] <pitti> skaet, infinity: FTR, cron jobs disabled, will use the optimized pipeline tomorrow
[20:53] <micahg> skaet: can I have 10 or so extra minutes to get chromium in, just waiting for a test build to complete?
[20:53] <skaet> pitti,  ok.    If I kick off a set with just the kernel in it,  I'll let you know.
[20:53] <skaet> micahg, yes,  would rather you get it in tested.
[20:58] <micahg> skaet: oops, looks like this isn't going to happen, build failed, so I guess this update won't be in alpha 1, was for a minor regression + minor security issue, so no biggie
[20:58] <pitti> skaet: ah, so you reached mvo
[20:59] <skaet> micahg,  ok.   Thanks for letting know.  :)
[20:59] <skaet> pitti,  yup.
[21:47] <cjwatson> skaet: #ubuntu-devel conversation with hallyn - we're going to need a qemu-kvm upload in the freeze, since it's uninstallable on non-i386
[21:50] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.   understood.
[21:53] <tumbleweed> skaet: can we clarify that announcement, saying that non-seeded packages in universe aren't affected?
[21:53] <skaet> tumbleweed,  good point,  I'll clean up the wording next time, and post a follow up now.
[21:53] <tumbleweed> thanks
[22:09] <micahg> technically, unseeded main packages also shouldn't be affected
[22:09] <micahg> err, I meant non-image based main packages...
[22:10] <stgraber> micahg: right, skaet's follow up e-mail reflected that
[22:10] <stgraber> micahg: "Just to be clear - this soft freeze is only for seeded packages in main
[22:10] <stgraber> and universe."
[22:10] <stgraber> ah, you mean, seeded but not on media packages?
[22:10] <micahg> right, i.e. in the "supported" seed :)
[22:11] <micahg> but that's just me splitting hairs :), I don't expect it to impact anyone
[22:11] <stgraber> "This soft freeze is only for seeded packages in main and universe that are shipped on one of our media (sorry, we don't really have a list of these)"
[22:12] <stgraber> would have been more accurate, but the, we don't really have a list is a bit annoying :) (you can get it from the manifests but that's quite a bit of parsing to do)
[22:13] <micahg> stgraber: well, not precisely (pun intended), build-deps for those packages would be included, just not stuff that's officially "supported", but not on media or related to building media based packages
[22:13] <stgraber> oh, right, build-deps ;)
[22:16]  * skaet will work on the wording to be a little clearer for alpha 2,  but doesn't think folk want to check lists of packages.  ;)
[22:17] <stgraber> skaet: hehe, maybe Launchpad should just be aware of soft-freezes though we'd still have to maintain a package list... don't think it's worth the time at this point
[22:17] <tumbleweed> skaet's wording was definitly better than mine :) But I'm mainly concerned about newish people working on universe who don't know how these things work yet. We expect core-devs to understand freezes :)
[22:17] <Daviey> Can we paint it green please?
[22:17] <micahg> skaet: no, what you put is fine, I'm just splitting hairs (it's only probably about 10 or so packages that would be included in the difference, I'm just causing trouble :))
[22:18] <skaet> Daviey,  lol.   Am working on colors for the ReleaseSchedule right now - that's enough coloring for me.
[22:18] <skaet> micahg, :)
[22:19] <Daviey> skaet: You might need to setup a colour council to evaulate our options.
[22:19] <stgraber> Daviey: :)
[22:19] <skaet> Daviey, LOL.
[22:21] <skaet> Daviey,  I did consider getting some of the usability team to evaluate my selections, but figured the only criteria I got from the UDS meeting was it had to be readable,  so figured there was a bit of freedom to JFDI.
[22:22] <stgraber> skaet: readable from 30ft on a projector screen seems to be the criteria
[22:23] <skaet> stgraber,  thank you for the clarification.  :)
[22:23] <stgraber> I'm pretty sure Aubergine on Ubuntu Orange doesn't qualify so I'd just skip the ubuntu colors for that one :)
[22:24] <skaet> :)
[22:24] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[22:25] <stgraber> should be readable, the yellow-ish background may appear as white on some projectors but at least the text will be readable
[22:26] <skaet> goodness.   criteria met!
[22:27] <skaet> ...or at least until I find a projector and test it properly.  ;)


[00:25] <Jordan_U> I've found another user who appears to be experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1077579 . I was hoping to be able to get hold of an upstart developer that could troubleshoot with them before they reboot (to get rid of the defunct process). Any idea where I could find such a person if they're currently available? (already asked in #upstart with no response yet).
[00:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1077579 in upstart (Ubuntu) "PID 1, upstart, failed to reap one of its children (banshee)" [Undecided,New]
[00:28] <Jordan_U> Reaping children is such a basic function of an init system that I would expect upstart's developers to be interested when it fails (or at least appears to).
[09:40] <hulu> helo
[09:40] <hulu> who can help me with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1179367
[09:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1179367 in casper (Ubuntu) "Customizing the live user skel" [Undecided,New]
[09:46] <hulu> who can help me?
[09:54] <hulu> I am customize 13.04 liveDVD.But after I modified the / etc / skel , the LiveDVD create default live user is not from / etc / skel copy files.
[09:54] <hulu> who can help me
[12:08] <hulu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1179367
[12:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1179367 in casper (Ubuntu) "Customizing the live user skel" [Undecided,New]
[17:08] <yay> brand new to this and want to start fixing bugs - i know the problem i would like to fix, could anyone help me out?
[17:12] <squibbles> hey
[17:20] <squibbles> hey, im new here wanna have a go at fixing some bugs, was thinking this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1172172, seeing as it affects me anyway
[17:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172172 in unity (Ubuntu) "Some multitouch gestures not working on 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:20] <squibbles> could someone give me some pointers/advice on how to start get going
[19:58] <balachmar> I am having a problem installing 13.04 on my system. The upgrade failed, but the installer is giving me problems as well. It boots and then when you should be able to select the installation type it stays empty: https://owncloud.wligtenberg.nl/public.php?service=files&t=3de9d7b808a91cfc69d0b6e159216be2
[19:58] <balachmar>    And whenever I click on the change or (+/-) it crashes...
[19:59] <balachmar> I want to write a bug report, but I am unsure where to start
[19:59] <balachmar> My old system still boots, but was left in a rather unusable state. It cannot run apt-get because of some errors in the status files of dpkg
[22:07] <phillw> hi good people, I have a question which I cannot answer.. has the bug fix for bug 880493 actually landed in the updates for 13.04 ? (i.e. does the OP simply need to update his system)?
[22:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 880493 in synaptic (Ubuntu Raring) "Synaptic crashes in vfprintf() with Norwegian locale" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880493
[22:14] <hggdh> phillw: does not seem so, the raring task is still open
[22:17] <phillw> hggdh: would it be in proposed?
[22:23] <phillw> hggdh: or am I better off asking the ubuntu-release team about it? (I have NO experience with translation bugs)
[23:03] <hggdh> phillw: no, the bug would be, at least, fix-released for the version to be in -proposed
[23:04] <phillw> hggdh: thanks, Colin Watson has answered and it is awaiting an SRU review.
[23:05] <hggdh> phillw: yes, I answered here, then *really* parsed your comments, and went over to -release :-)
[23:05] <phillw> but not tonight as he is going to bed :D
[23:05] <hggdh> heh
[23:06] <hggdh> well, it should already be quite late for him indeed
[23:06] <phillw> it is a shame that the sru team cannot see a pile of dupes and bug heat.
[23:07] <phillw> hggdh: he is on the same TZ as me... and yes, it has just gone midnight. This was my last one of the day, that started mid-afternoon.
[23:07] <hggdh> phillw: the team is rather small, and has a lot of things to do, so sometimes things get delayed. Even more with UDS starting tomorrow
[23:07] <phillw> I did mention that both in -release and to the OP :D
[23:07] <hggdh> :-)
[23:09] <phillw> hggdh: I guess, the thing that all people want to know with bugs is..... what is happening with my bug. when they see 'fix released' their natural question is "why haven't I got the fix". Possibly something for the bug team to look at after you get some sleep after vUDS :)
[23:10] <hggdh> phillw: this comes from the way bugs are dealt with -- the main task is usually reserved for the fix in the devel release
[23:11] <hggdh> so being fix-released for the main task means -- in this case -- synaptic is corrected on Saucy
[23:15] <phillw> it depends how far they bend the rules, saucy is not really ready as a stable system and the bug is a while old. One never knows.. it may squeak into raring proposed :D
[23:16] <phillw> hggdh: I'm sure that the OP who asked me for help, would run a saucy pre-alpha release to prove it... it does seem a little harsh, however.
[23:18] <hggdh> phillw: I do agree. But this will have to be checked on each SRU version, anyway
[23:22] <phillw> hggdh: the oddest thing? it has a load of dupes dating back to 2011-10-23 - sometimes, we just seem let bugs roll on from release to release like a grumbling appendix. I have one with ppc which also just needs a bit of TLC to try out the fix.


[18:28] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:30] <chilts> morning
[19:23] <ajmitch> morning
[23:20] <chilts> not many people around ... so if I don't see you all tomorrow, have a good Christmas and all that
[23:20] <chilts> DON'T EAT TOO MUCH!!!