[06:10] <wasabi> Does the Ubuntu initrd properly initialize and scan EVMS?
[06:11] <tritium> SoB, what are you using to burn?
[06:11] <SoB> SirFred, trying to use nautilus' in-built burning to burn an ISO to DVD, just sits at the 'insert media' screen and won't do anything...no error message
[06:11] <jaza> socketbind, how do i install it to the right directory???
[06:11] <tritium> nautilus?  cdrecord?
[06:11] <SirFred> This is like a question storm.
[06:11] <arabflak> Skype is not working for me right now, because my microphone isn't working.
[06:11] <socketbind> well jaza, the preferred dir is /usr/java
[06:11] <jaza> arab
[06:11] <gaatmx> Anyone have tried the NVIDIA installer on Ubuntu? I mean the one that you d/l from nvidia.com not the one you could get from synaptic....
[06:11] <SirFred> SoB: And you have a CD inserted?
[06:11] <blah09> skype doesnt work for me at all, when i try to dial out the thing just hangs
[06:11] <jaza> ya socket but how do i install it to that directory?
[06:11] <wk1989> Well, the program works but I can't connect to anyone
[06:11] <jaza> cmd
[06:11] <jaza> ?
[06:11] <ArCHoNKoG> in hoary what happen with gdesklets ?
[06:11] <SoB> SirFred, DVD, yes...and it is blank ;)
[06:11] <tritium> gaatmx, why not use ubuntu-supplied nvidia?
[06:11] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:11] <wk1989> it was working yesterday
[06:11] <wk1989> so i'm not the  only one?
[06:11] <SirFred> SoB: Don't know, but there was a way to debug it.
[06:11] <socketbind> cp ~/jre<whateve> .
[06:11] <blah09> lemme try in xp
[06:11] <socketbind> ./jre<whatever>
[06:12] <socketbind> done
[06:12] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ cd /usr/java bash: cd: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[06:12] <socketbind> then make it
[06:12] <arabflak> Yeah, because dialing out requires money :P
[06:12] <socketbind> mkdir /usr/java
[06:12] <jaza> how
[06:12] <SoB> growisofs is working, but not properly...it only burned at 0.7x on a 2x drive
[06:12] <gaatmx> tritium, as far as I could read in the forums, they do not work w/  the new kernel. AmI right?
[06:12] <SoB> and I know the disks are 2x because just yesterday I burned in windows on this computer and it worked fine
[06:12] <SirFred> SoB: You need to change a gconf key, to activate the debug mode.
[06:12] <tritium> gaatmx, no
[06:12] <socketbind> the only thing after you did this is to make a symlink to the jre mozilla plugin in your browser plugin dir
[06:12] <SoB> SirFred, I'll look around, thanks for the help
[06:12] <tritium> gaatmx, they work fine
[06:12] <jaza> cp ~/jre<whateve>???
[06:12] <SirFred> SoB: np
[06:13] <socketbind> cp ~/jre and press tab jaza
[06:13] <socketbind> it will complete the filename
[06:13] <jaza> coo
[06:13] <socketbind> the self-extracting archive is still in your home?
[06:13] <heliode> woohoo :D in case anyone's wondering: i got the screen resolution thing working! thanks Website!
[06:13] <SoB> SirFred, would the debug just go to stderr?
[06:13] <jaza> its a bin file
[06:13] <socketbind> but is it still in your home?
[06:13] <jaza> ya
[06:13] <socketbind> superb :D
[06:13] <jaza> lol
[06:13] <SirFred> SoB: You need to fire a different nautilus after it, I remember.
[06:13] <socketbind> did it copied there?
[06:13] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:/usr/java $ cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:14] <jaza> cp: missing destination file
[06:14] <jaza> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[06:14] <gaatmx> tritium, let me find that quote from the forums.....
[06:14] <socketbind> because you didn't specified it jaza :D
[06:14] <jaza> what?
[06:14] <socketbind> cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin /usr/java
[06:14] <SoB> SirFred, ok, will do
[06:14] <socketbind> how should it know to where copy it? :D
[06:14] <bert_> hi!
[06:14] <SirFred> SoB: With an option to avoid nautilus to draw the desktop.
[06:14] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:/usr/java $ cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin /usr/java
[06:14] <jaza> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/java/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin': Permission denied
[06:14] <socketbind> after it has finishes it should be there
[06:14] <socketbind> oh i forgot
[06:15] <jaza> lol
[06:15] <socketbind> you must do it as root!
[06:15] <jaza> sudo?
[06:15] <socketbind> yes
[06:15] <Neo_654> jaza try sudo
[06:15] <jaza> k
[06:15] <jaza> k now it worked i think
[06:15] <SirFred> SoB: After enabling that nautilus-cd-burner key, you should have that debug.
[06:15] <jaza> didnt get an error
[06:15] <eBopBob> hey - Does anyone know of a detailed how-to guide (in re: partitioning) for the Ubuntu Installer?
[06:15] <jaza> now how to install?
[06:15] <bert_> _slice_,  just want you to know because you've helped me a lot: my wlan works again, because i had a totally misconfigured /etc/network/interfaces file! I've used google & knoppix to recreate it, and that worked for me! Thanks for your help earlier on the day
[06:15] <socketbind> jaza: cd /usr/java
[06:15] <socketbind> sudo ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:16] <jaza> sudo: ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin: command not found
[06:16] <SoB> SirFred, I enabled the debug key and restarted all nautilus but am unsure what you mean about the 'avoid to draw the desktop'
[06:16] <jaza> ;lol
[06:16] <eBopBob> No one?  :D
[06:18] <jaza> ?
[06:18] <SirFred> jaza sudo: ?
[06:18] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:18] <jaza> no need for sudo?
[06:18] <SirFred> jaza: You're typing "sudo: blablabla" or "sudo blablabla"
[06:18] <socketbind> you need sudo ! :D
[06:19] <jaza> sudo ...
[06:19] <SirFred> I mean that you wrote "sudo: ./jre....."
[06:19] <socketbind> oh geez :D
[06:19] <Xappe> hehe, this chat is quite entertaining to watch :)
[06:19] <SirFred> Xappe: :)
[06:19] <jaza> ?
[06:19] <tritium> jaza, is the .bin executable?  chmod +x file.bin if it's not
[06:19] <jaza> whats the cmd
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: sudo
[06:19] <socketbind> oh i forgot that too :D
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: First, where are you?
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: Type pwd
[06:19] <socketbind> sudo chmod +x jre<tab>
[06:19] <jaza> im as root
[06:19] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <jaza> thats me
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, I am not getting any additional debug info anywhere =/
[06:20] <SirFred> jaza: Now, what is there where you are ?
[06:20] <socketbind> i told him to cd to /usr/java :D
[06:20] <SirFred> Type ls
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: Humm.
[06:20] <socketbind> he's in java he told before :D
 root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: To say you the truth, I didn't tried it myself, I read it somewere.
[06:20] <socketbind> i always forget something
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: I'm going to try myself, ok?
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, ok, np, you tried anyway ;)
[06:20] <socketbind> sudo chmod +x jre<tab>
[06:20] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java # sudo chmod +x jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:20] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <socketbind> cool jaza
[06:20] <socketbind> now
[06:20] <jaza> now what
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: I have to burn a cd now. Give me a minute.
[06:20] <socketbind> sudo ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, ok
[06:21] <jaza> !!!
[06:21] <socketbind> sudo ./jre<press tab>
[06:21] <jaza> sweet
[06:21] <socketbind> great :D
[06:21] <jaza> thnx :D
[06:21] <socketbind> that's it :D
[06:21] <jaza> :D
[06:21] <tritium> he doesn't need sudo once he's done "sudo -s -H"
[06:21] <socketbind> jaza, what browser do you use?
[06:21] <jaza> mozilla
[06:21] <socketbind> simple, plain mozilla or firefox?
[06:21] <jaza> fire
[06:21] <socketbind> cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[06:22] <socketbind> you should make a symlink there for the java plugin
[06:22] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java # cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[06:22] <jaza> bash: cd: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins: No such file or directory
[06:22] <jaza> lol;
[06:22] <socketbind> sorry: cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[06:22] <SirFred> I think it is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[06:22] <socketbind> there is it
[06:22] <socketbind> :D
[06:22] <SirFred> Right
[06:22] <socketbind> oh and yes
[06:22] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox #
[06:22] <jaza> now what
[06:22] <socketbind> geez dude i always forget something!
[06:22] <socketbind> cd plugins
[06:22] <Xappe> hoho
[06:23] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins #
[06:23] <jaza> now what lol
[06:23] <socketbind> kewl
[06:23] <SirFred> SoB: /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/debug, that is the key you enabled?
[06:23] <socketbind> ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <jaza> :D
[06:23] <jaza> k whatd that do??
[06:23] <socketbind> ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <SoB> SirFred, yup
[06:23] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins # ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <jaza> ln: `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[06:23] <socketbind> heh
[06:23] <socketbind> ls -la then
[06:23] <socketbind> and see where it points
[06:24] <jaza> ??
[06:24] <socketbind> i have the jdk version and it didn't made the link
[06:24] <socketbind> ls -la
[06:24] <jaza> did that
[06:24] <socketbind> well ls -l
[06:24] <jaza> it lists
[06:24] <socketbind> and paste there the output
[06:24] <jaza> ?
[06:24] <socketbind> or pm me
[06:24] <socketbind> if it isn't too much
[06:24] <heliode> A quick firefox tip: go to about:config, filter for 'turbo' and enable 'browser.turbo.enabled'! try it, you'll like it!
[06:25] <SirFred> SoB: This is not starting a different process.
[06:25] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps I'm missing something
[06:25] <jcoxon77> hey everyone
[06:26] <Gwildor> hi
[06:26] <SoB> I'm going to try a new login
[06:27] <SirFred> heliode: I'm not feeling anything different.
[06:27] <SirFred> heliode: What is supposed to do?
[06:27] <SoB> well that didn't work either
[06:27] <heliode> Hey, what u guys think about this: the other day i bought a PCMCIA WLAN card, and it said on the box "linux support included!" so i was like "hell yeah!" but the drivers were only for kernel 2.4 >_<... suppose they 'forgot' to mention that on the box
[06:28] <SirFred> SoB: I'm searching for the place i read it.
[06:28] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps some bug on the ubuntu bugzilla.
[06:29] <SoB> a side question, does anyone know how I can get GAIM to alert me when people have written me messages when the window doesn't have focus...WITHOUT sound?
[06:29] <SoB> I can't find any way anywhere to enable a flash window or something similar
[06:30] <SirFred> Perhaps there is something useful in the debug log. To get it:
[06:30] <SirFred> - unset /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop in gconf-editor
[06:30] <SirFred> - set /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/debug in gconf-editor
[06:30] <SirFred> - run nautilus from a gt -> you'll get the log here
[06:30] <SirFred> - try to write the CD
[06:30] <SirFred> SoB: I've found it.
[06:30] <SoB> SirFred, excellent
[06:30] <metaliu> hi ubuntu guys
[06:30] <SirFred> SoB: Try that.
[06:30] <SoB> SirFred, trying now
[06:31] <SoB> do these gconf editor changes take effect immediately?
[06:31] <SirFred> SoB: Yes.
[06:31] <SirFred> SoB: In gnome everything should take effect immediatly
[06:31] <SoB> SirFred, ok, the nautilus window put out debug as expected, still no error messages about the burning
[06:32] <SirFred> SoB: Are you using hoary?
[06:32] <SoB> what is that
[06:32] <SirFred> SoB: What ubuntu version?
[06:32] <SoB> warty
[06:32] <metaliu> does anyone know if Ubuntu will work with my Buffalo 802.11g PCI card?
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Don't know how to help you
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Sorry
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps your device is locked by another process. Don't know
[06:33] <SoB> SirFred, good point, but thanks for your help anyway
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: :)
[06:34] <gaatmx> thnx tritium
[06:34] <gaatmx> it works
[06:34] <gaatmx> me bad
[06:34] <SirFred> I expect a better cd burner app for gnome, anyway. This is too simple.
[06:34] <tritium> gaatmx, good deal
[06:35] <SirFred> I've got a question about hdparm.
[06:35] <tritium> gaatmx, if issues come up, let me know
[06:35] <SirFred> I don't know why, but hoary don't activate DMA on my CDRW device.
[06:35] <SirFred> So, I tried to make it with hdparm.
[06:35] <metaliu> im thinking of installing Ubuntu.  does anyone know if it will find my wireless pci card?
[06:35] <tritium> SirFred, in the init scripts
[06:35] <gaatmx> I have another doubt: How do I add applications to the Gnome menu??
[06:35] <tritium> ?
[06:35] <SirFred> On the boot process it says that /dev/hdc is an unknown device.
[06:36] <SirFred> But it knows /dev/hda.
[06:36] <tritium> SirFred, same thing happens for me.
[06:36] <SirFred> After the boot process, I'm able to do it by hand: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[06:36] <Neo_654> metaliu: have you tried to run the liveCd?  I would try that first and see if it will work.
[06:36] <tritium> /dev/hdb (in my case) doesn't exist yet at the time /etc/init.d/hdparm is run
[06:37] <SirFred> I think that has something to do with the ide-cd module, that is loaded later, when hotplug starts.
[06:37] <metaliu> Neo_654: I actually tried booting with the liveCD but it wouldnt boot on my old Gateway computer
[06:37] <heliode> hey, a quick gnome question: how to I add icons like links to my home folder and to the devices to my desktop?
[06:37] <SirFred> tritium: Has you fixed it in some way?
[06:37] <tritium> SirFred, no, I rarely use my cdrw.  When I do, I just re-run /etc/init.d/hdparm start.
[06:38] <SirFred> tritium: Yes, that's what I do.
[06:38] <metaliu> Neo_654: I think it's a problem finding the hard drive.  I tried with a different distro and had to use the 'nodma' parameter for it to boot
[06:38] <SirFred> tritium: But if I forget it, it doesn't burn.
[06:39] <tritium> SoB, did you look into that?  Maybe you should try enable dma on your cdrw?
[06:39] <SirFred> tritium: Well, the symptoms are not the same.
[06:39] <tritium> you mean with SoB?
[06:39] <SirFred> tritium: Yes.
[06:39] <tritium> True, but it could explain why he can't burn, perhaps.
[06:40] <SirFred> tritium: What I get is an error dialog saying that my burner is not enable to achieve that speed, or something so
[06:40] <SirFred> tritium: Could be.
[06:40] <tritium> I see.
[06:40] <tritium> I just haven't taken the time to fix it.  I've thought about changing the order of my init scripts, but I don't care to do that right now.
[06:40] <Anubis> `alsa.pc' I can't find this file
[06:43] <Neo_654> metaliu: so far I'm not finding anything where people have posted havnig a problem with it.
[06:43] <heliode> Does anyone know which repository has MC (midnight Commander) ?
[06:44] <metaliu> Neo_654: ok, then i just need to get it to boot.  is there anything else i should try besides the 'nodma' flag when booting?  and as a side note, the distro i got to boot was Beatrix
[06:44] <Neo_654> metalie: what version is it?
[06:44] <metaliu> Neo_654: I was using warty warthog
[06:45] <Neo_654> Metalie: what version Buffalo card.
[06:45] <metaliu> Neo_654: WLI2-PCI-G54
[06:45] <iGadget_> anyone got some experience with the proprietary ati drivers on ubuntu?
[06:46] <iGadget_> installing them, I mean
[06:46] <iGadget_> I've converted the .rpm with alien to a .deb... but will that work?
[06:46] <iGadget_> I don't really feel like messing up my ubuntu installation...
[06:47] <tritium> iGadget_, fglrx drivers are in ubuntu.
[06:48] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... so how do I configure them? I need more DVI options...
[06:49] <tritium> iGadget_, don't know.  I have nVidia.
[06:49] <tritium> But I wouldn't be using .rpms when .debs already exists.  Just my opinion.
[06:49] <ZorroBytes> question, trying to build new alsa drivers, but not finding asm/*.c
[06:50] <ZorroBytes> when building
[06:50] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... but I guess these fglrx are not the latest?
[06:50] <ZorroBytes> What do I need to install to allow for source builds?
[06:51] <tritium> iGadget_, I'm not really that familiar with them.
[06:51] <iGadget_> tritium: I understand... thanks anyway :)
[06:52] <tritium> yeah, sorry.
[06:53] <Quest-Master> Anybody using the latest XFCE here?
[06:53] <david_> hello
[06:53] <tritium> iGadget_, apt-cache search fglrx to find the packages, and then apt-cache policy <packagename> to see the version
[06:54] <iGadget_> tritium: don't you just love synaptic? :D
[06:54] <tritium> iGadget_, nah, I stick with apt on the command line
[06:54] <tritium> :)
[06:55] <iGadget_> tritium: I only do that when I really need to ;)
[06:55] <tritium> I see.
[06:56] <heliode> hey, how do i change the permissions on a file so that anyone may do anything with it?
[06:56] <tritium> heliode, chmod
[06:56] <SoB> chmod 777 filename
[06:57] <heliode> great, thanks :D
[06:57] <iGadget_> darn... the ubuntu version is _very_ outdated
[06:57] <bert_> hi!
[06:57] <tritium> iGadget_, oh...
[06:57] <iGadget_> <IP_ADDRESS>.3-5 @ ubuntu
[06:57] <tritium> iGadget_, you're using Hoary?
[06:57] <bert_> can someone help me, i try to mount a windows share
[06:57] <iGadget_> 4-3-0_8.8.25-2 @ ATI
[06:58] <bert_> when i do:
[06:58] <iGadget_> tritium: no, the original
[06:58] <bert_> mount -t smbfs -o username=bert,pwd=mypwd //host/share /mnt/folder/
[06:58] <tritium> 8.8.25 in Hoary, if I read the package versions right
[06:58] <bert_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //fried/Muziek,
[06:58] <bert_>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:59] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... is hoary usable for normal desktop use? :s
[06:59] <iGadget_> as in... how beta is it? :)
[06:59] <tritium> iGadget_, in my opinion, it's very usable
[06:59] <iGadget_> so... you'd risk the apt-get dist upgrade if you were me? :)
[07:00] <tritium> iGadget_, depends on your comfort level
[07:00] <snowblink> bert_: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[07:00] <bert_> thanks
[07:00] <iGadget_> tritium: well... comfort is a subjective matter ;)
[07:00] <tritium> iGadget_, if you upgrade, pay close attention to what it's going to remove, if anything
[07:01] <bert_> snowblink, thanks m8
[07:01] <snowblink> bert_: np
[07:01] <iGadget_> as in... I won't be able to reinstall the stuff it'll remove?
[07:01] <tritium> no, not like that
[07:02] <iGadget_> tritium: well... no big problem then. If I miss anything after the upgrade, I'll just reinstall it :)
[07:03] <tritium> iGadget_, right.
[07:03] <iGadget_> but before I dot that, I'll just try the old fglrx package... If that doesn't solve my problem, I'll upgrade to hoary
[07:04] <tritium> sounds good
[07:05] <pepsi> how can i get ubuntu to recognize my cdrom drive again?
[07:05] <iGadget_> drivers installed... Let's see what an X-restart does :D
[07:06] <tritium> cool
[07:06] <iGadget_> If I don't return here within 5 mins... my PC will probably have died ;)
[07:06] <iGadget_> thanks & brb
[07:06] <tritium> ok
[07:07] <heliode> u think we'll see more of him? :P
[07:07] <tritium> we'll find out
[07:07] <goldfish> lol
[07:09] <heliode> hey guys, i gtg, thanks for your help!
[07:11] <dalsan> I am looking for help in restoring my desktop to the default
[07:11] <dalsan> I got rid of the top toolbar and can not get it back
[07:12] <mariano> hi people
[07:12] <dalsan> hello
[07:12] <mariano> did anyone experienced problems using synaptic lately? (hoary)
[07:12] <mariano> it doesn't seem to install anything :S
[07:13] <dalsan> I installed this morning, but from universe
[07:13] <mariano> it does uninstall software but it doesn't install properly things
[07:14] <dalsan> do you know how to restore the desktop to default?
[07:14] <cuatro> hi guyz, why debian sid with gnome 2.8 runs speedier than ubuntu warty wih compiled kernel?
[07:14] <dalsan> I lost my top bar
[07:14] <iGadget_> well... that part worked
[07:14] <cuatro> I wanna use ubuntu, but it is a little slow :/
[07:14] <R0bNyc> why I dont have no bootsplash or grub splash ?
[07:14] <iGadget_> allthough the fglrx driver wasn't loaded afaik
[07:14] <iGadget_> okay... what's the most elegant way to reconfigure X on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <mariano> Ubuntu loads much faster with hoary, CUATRO
[07:15] <Dreamer3_> cuatro: really, interesting
[07:15] <tritium> iGadget_, dpkg-reconfigure your xserver
[07:15] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... and I should exit X before doing that, right?
[07:15] <cuatro> Dreamer3_ it's true :/
[07:15] <tritium> iGadget_, don't have to, but can't hurt.
[07:16] <cuatro> mariano I'm gonna download de array4 :)
[07:16] <tritium> iGadget_, have you changed your XF86Config-4 at all?
[07:16] <mariano> cuatro, when I upgraded to Hoary I had a much better experience (when things worked, of course ;))
[07:16] <iGadget_> tritium: no, I thought this would be done automagically as with the nvidia driver package
[07:17] <cuatro> oh mariano thanks :)
[07:17] <mariano> however, remember, it's still in development and somethings might not work correctly
[07:17] <Xappe> iGadget_, there is a quite good guide at the ubuntu forums...
[07:17] <mariano> which is the reason why I'm here now!
[07:17] <tritium> iGadget_, good.  The dpkg-reconfigure should work just fine, then.
[07:17] <cuatro> but, really, I don't know why ubuntu runs so slow, comparing with debian :/
[07:17] <iGadget_> xappe: is there? I only found the nvidia howto on ubuntuguide.org
[07:17] <cuatro> I have a p3 677 mhz, 256 ram
[07:17] <cuatro> :/
[07:17] <mariano> Cuatro, for me it's the opposite
[07:17] <jesuel> eek
[07:18] <Xappe> iGadget_, w8 i'll fetch the url for you
[07:18] <cuatro> jeje :)
[07:18] <mariano> it runs much faster than the Debian version I used to have
[07:18] <jesuel> almost as slow as my linux box heh
[07:18] <jesuel> via c3 800 w/ 256 ram
[07:18] <jesuel> ;p
[07:18] <Dreamer3_> mariano: i can expect warty to be faster than sarge though, or not?
[07:18] <cuatro> mariano curious :/
[07:18] <Xappe> iGadget_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567
[07:18] <cuatro> mmm I think sarge is much faster than warty
[07:18] <cuatro> :)
[07:19] <mariano> Dreamer3, it theory yes, I guess :D
[07:19] <iGadget_> xappe: thanks
[07:19] <mariano> but again, Ubuntu is the first distro I'm really looking at
[07:19] <kalandor> hi everybody, could anybody help, where to put module options for bttv? I mean which file?
[07:20] <cuatro> mariano the first distro that I've used was ubuntu, but now I think debian is much faster than ubuntu :/ I don't know why, I killed processes of init.. but it's slow :(
[07:21] <cuatro> I meant, after I used debian.. :)
[07:21] <cuatro> now I'm downloading hoary (by your recmmendation)
[07:21] <mariano> Cuatro, for me let's say I lost my linux verginity with Ubuntu, with Debian it was just petting :)
[07:21] <Treyck> hi all
[07:21] <iGadget_> well... this seems to be a fairy large operation... let's first eat and then look further :)
[07:21] <cuatro> mariano jeje
[07:22] <mariano> CUATRO, again, it's not that I recommend you to install Hoary, it's just my experience
[07:23] <mariano> CUATRO, however, it is very exciting to see how fast things are getting developped when you have hoary installed
[07:23] <jesuel> lol
[07:23] <jesuel> thats very funny  mariano
[07:23] <Quest-Master> Last time I tried to upgrade to Hoary, I had no X
[07:23] <Dreamer3_> mariano: you used warty before?
[07:23] <jesuel> i feel that way about prior distro's. like redhat and whatnot
[07:23] <no0tic> Quest-Master: me too, but then I resolved
[07:24] <cuatro> mariano jeje thanks :)
[07:24] <Quest-Master> no0tic: What'd you do?
[07:24] <no0tic> Quest-Master: installed what was missing
[07:24] <mariano> I think the best thing to do is to have your files and things very well packaged so you don't miss much time if you need to reinstall your OS
[07:24] <Quest-Master> no0tic: Which was xserver-xorg, I am guessing?
[07:24] <mariano> Dreamer, yes, I had Warty since it was beta
[07:24] <Quest-Master> Or xorg-xserver?
[07:25] <mariano> Dreamer, I did
[07:25] <jesuel> not me
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: no, they were fonts
[07:25] <mariano> but I almost didn't use Debian
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> mariano: via apt?
[07:25] <Quest-Master> no0tic: Interesting. :\
[07:25] <jesuel> i went from redhat 8.something to ubuntu
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: X & gdm started but failed
[07:25] <Xappe> hmm, where do i find my x server logfile?
[07:25] <mariano> Dreamer, no, via format c:
[07:25] <mariano> :D
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: beacouse of the lacking of those fonts
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> mariano: ah
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> mariano: i'm wondering how hard it would be to do it with apt
[07:26] <Quest-Master> I see.
[07:26] <djjason> anyone here familiar with acpi and apm
[07:26] <Quest-Master> So, does anyone think XFCE offers a lot over GNOME here?
[07:26] <no0tic> hoary problem: booting with battery it doesn't recognize it and doesn't switch to powersave mode.
[07:26] <mariano> Dreamer, I'd say it takes more time than reformat it all
[07:26] <Quest-Master> I'm considering installing it
[07:27] <no0tic> Xappe: /var/log/XFree86.0.log or Xorg.0.log
[07:27] <mariano> To be honest, I like to reformat it all once a month
[07:27] <mariano> in 2 hours I can reinstall everything and recover all my stuff, so I don't think about it twice if neede
[07:27] <mariano> needed
[07:29] <knapjack> I was messing around with GNU/Hurd the other weekend and it has this concept of a non-authenticated user, and it made me start to think about what it would take to make tsclient available from gdm.
[07:29] <Xappe> no0tic, thx
[07:29] <djjason> can anyone help with acpi and/or apm
[07:29] <knapjack> That way you could walk up to a workstation and use rdesktop or fire up a Citrix session and not necessarily have a local workstation account.
[07:30] <knapjack> (or VNC)
[07:30] <cuatro> I have 1 mb adsl, and I'm downloading hoary with a limit of 15 kbps :( I tried torrent but there's only 5 seeds :(
[07:30] <knapjack> I was thinking about Xnest, maybe, and having some user whose default session is just metacity and tsclient.
[07:30] <mariano> cuatro, you look Spaniard by your description of connection ;)
[07:31] <cuatro> mariano :P
[07:31] <mariano> Aqu Barcelona ;)
[07:32] <cuatro> jejeje
[07:32] <cuatro> aca chilito :P
[07:32] <cuatro> chile ;)
[07:32] <no0tic> mariano: I will be in Barelona next month
[07:32] <no0tic> cuatro: I would like to be in Chile right now ;)
[07:32] <mariano> no0tic, well, try to survive to alcohol!
[07:33] <cuatro> no0tic
[07:33] <cuatro> !!!
[07:33] <cuatro> :P
[07:33] <mariano> dammit! I'm experiencing a lot of hits detected by firestarter...
[07:33] <no0tic> mariano: I will stay by a friend there in Erasmus
[07:33] <cuatro> so good grils in reaca, via del mar, pucon :D
[07:33] <no0tic> mariano: it's normal
[07:33] <cuatro> grils :P
[07:33] <Tr0gd0r> ubuntu has taken over 4 hours to install on my p1 200mhz
[07:33] <cuatro> girls :D
[07:33] <Tr0gd0r> damn
[07:33] <cuatro> :(
[07:33] <knapjack> no0tic: Barcelona is nice.
[07:34] <no0tic> knapjack: never been before
[07:34] <mariano> no0tic, if I'm not wrong the port 43999 is used by ssh
[07:34] <no0tic> mariano: 43999???
[07:34] <no0tic> mariano: ssh is port 22
[07:34] <cuatro> :s
[07:35] <no0tic> mariano: but, if you have changed something...
[07:35] <mariano> I know, but I read somewhere that it might be used for that too
[07:35] <knapjack> no0tic: It's a great city, with a very intersting mix of modern and historic flavor.  Gotta see the park with all the Gaudi sculpture/architecture.
[07:36] <mariano> That's Park Gell, true, very interesting
[07:36] <no0tic> knapjack: I studied it at school...
[07:37] <mariano> dammit, now I can't install any bittorrent client :(
[07:37] <no0tic> mariano: why?
[07:37] <mariano> not sure
[07:37] <mariano> azureus doesn't start
[07:37] <mariano> and bittorrent and bittornado don't want to get installed
[07:37] <mariano> very confusing day...
[07:37] <no0tic> uhm... I'm gonna getting a shower
[07:38] <mariano> (fucking hangover...)
[07:38] <no0tic> byebye
[07:38] <mariano> ciao!
[07:41] <jesuel> ahh mrtg all setup now :)
[07:42] <R0bNyc> Anyone here using apt-build
[07:43] <mariano> nop, sorry
[07:44] <R0bNyc> thanks
[07:44] <cuatro> mariano
[07:44] <R0bNyc> why theres no bootsplash or grub splash ?
[07:44] <cuatro> why you dont enter to #ubuntu-es ?
[07:45] <djjason> Im trying to fix power related errors and when I put acpi=off and apm=off into the menu.lst my wireless and usb stop working
[07:45] <djjason> any clues?
[07:46] <R0bNyc> noapic nolapic ?
[07:46] <djjason> should I include that in the lst file as well?
[07:46] <jeavis> Hello somebody can says me where I can fin a Korn Shell Manual
[07:47] <pmar_> hi all
[07:48] <giard> does anyone know if hoary will have support for airport express?
[07:48] <pmar_> have no idea...
[07:48] <pmar_> however, ive been using hoary on amd64 for more than 10day and it works great...
[07:48] <djjason> or should I replace acpi=off with pci=noacpi
[07:48] <djjason> nolapic
[07:48] <pmar_> appart from the problem with evolution
[07:51] <pmar_> any experiencies with amd64 hoary?
[07:51] <R0bNyc> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/memstat/memstat_0.4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[07:51] <R0bNyc> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:51] <R0bNyc> what do Ido
[07:51] <tritium> as it says
[07:53] <R0bNyc> I still get het smaething
[07:53] <R0bNyc> the* samething*
[07:54] <goldfish> Is there any way to reset XF86Config-4? I was sure I made a backup, but it looks like I was wrong :/
[07:55] <tritium> R0bNyc, what were you in the process of doing?
[07:55] <knapjack> Has anyone tried building mozilla-firefox from hoary on warty?
[07:55] <matt_> Hi, I am having an issue with the nvidia driver.  I am running an HP Pavilion zd7058cl laptop. It has a geforce go5600.. My lcd monitor/video adapter support a 1440x900 resolution, but the nvidia driver, no matter what config settings i throw at it, does not let me go higher than 1024x768 resolution(60hz refresh ugh) if anyone has the answer to this problem please let me know :)
[07:55] <R0bNyc> tritium, apt-build install memstat
[07:55] <knapjack> matt_: Did you try installing the nvidia display tool?
[07:55] <tritium> R0bNyc, try apt-get -f install
[07:55] <matt_> nvidia-settings?
[07:56] <R0bNyc> tritium, http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2002/03/msg00647.html
[07:56] <knapjack> Yep
[07:56] <R0bNyc> my friend just told me theres a problem with the sources of ubuntu
[07:56] <tritium> R0bNyc, possibly also dpkg --configure --pending
[07:56] <penguinitus> hello all...
[07:56] <matt_> knapjack: i have it installed, but i don't believe it has any relevant settings to correct this issue, if you know something i dont, please enlighten me :)
[07:56] <knapjack> R0bNyc: What did he tell you?
[07:57] <penguinitus> I need some help setting up a simple shell script...
[07:57] <bonhelsing> hello
[07:57] <knapjack> matt_: I just installed the nvidia drivers the other week for the first time (to play a little bzflag), but it went very smoothly.
[07:57] <R0bNyc> After unpacking 86.0kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:57] <bonhelsing> can anyone here help me out with networking? im kinda stuck. thanks
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe memstat 0.4 [10.1kB]
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Fetched 9890B in 1s (6143B/s)
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/memstat/memstat_0.4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[07:57] <R0bNyc> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:57] <penguinitus> I need a script to execute apt-get update apt-get upgrade when I click the icon, I want it to open a shell and run in the shell so I can see the output
[07:58] <pmar_> compiling mozilla worked on both hoary and warty, on both amd64 and i686
[07:58] <tritium> R0bNyc, did you try what I suggested?
[07:58] <knapjack> matt_: Did you follow the guide on the wiki?
[07:58] <R0bNyc> tritium, will now
[07:58] <matt_> knapjack: ya i have installed them on many computers, the thing is, they have always gone smoothly for me also, but on this particular laptop it is giving me grief.  a funny thing to note is that i remember using previous versions of the nvidia driver with no issues. :\
[07:58] <R0bNyc> but i cant do it with apt-get, i gotta do it with apt-build because its part of apt-build
[07:58] <R0bNyc> yes tritium i just did it and same problem too
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: Strange.  I have had problems with the 2go chipset on an Acer in the past and ended up using the VESA drivers.
[07:59] <matt_> i just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia settings (the restricted modules were already installed) .. then I changed nv to nvidia in xfree and deleted the glcore and dri entries.
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: No accelerated X, but nvidia has very impressive VESA performance.
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: That should have done the trick.  Anything in the logs?
[07:59] <giard> matt_: do you need to delete the dri entry?
[08:00] <matt_> knapjack: nope, when i type xrandr in console 1024x768 is the "uppermost" setting.. usually nvidia cards are pretty good when detecting these things.  I even tried turning of edid on the monitor and setting the resolution manually but i think the driver is ignoring my config entries
[08:00] <pmar_> giard: I usually remove dri....
[08:01] <matt_> well its working beautifully in 1024x768 but it irks me because it is a widescreen display and things are not in correct proportion they are "stretched" :)
[08:01] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering in xorg? now the fonts are like in fedora
[08:02] <cuatro> :/
[08:03] <knapjack> matt_: I'd start checking other sources for info on the nvidia driver.  Maybe it's a known issue.
[08:03] <goldfish> Can u reset XF86Config-4 ?
[08:03] <knapjack> I've read before that 2go is a different beast and sometimes needs a swift kick. ;)
[08:04] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering? the fonts looks like fedora look
[08:04] <Ex-Cyber> is there a distro that would work well on a 486/33 with 8MB of RAM and a ~300MB disk?
[08:05] <matt_> knapjack: most likely, i will do that.  i just dont have much time to screw with this now ;) Btw i just replaced a fc3 install with ubuntu, I had debian on here before but man after using yum its nothing compared to apt. the dependency resolution is slowwww.. and it doesnt work as well as apt :)
[08:06] <knapjack> matt_: Yeah, I hear you.  I'm a big debfoster fan (prune dependencies from the tree when you uninstall) and there's just no correlation with RPM-based distributions.
[08:06] <Tr0gd0r> i want a distro that will run well on a p200mhz, 80mb ram, and 5gb drive, i installed ubuntu, but when it tries opening x-windows the screen is just black
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllll
[08:06] <chibifs> Trog - Slackware.
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[08:06] <knapjack> Tr0gd0r: Have you read the Ubuntu mini-RAM HOWTO?
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> i installed it that way
[08:07] <knapjack> hmmm
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> and when i started x
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> the screen is blank
[08:07] <matt_> damn-small linux
[08:07] <matt_> :)
[08:07] <chibifs> I run Slackware on my 133mhz pentium with 32 megs of ram. :o
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> i cant figure out how to exit x to get back to bash
[08:07] <thelusiv> ctrl+alt+f1
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> tried
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> doesnt work
[08:08] <thelusiv> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:08] <knapjack> sounds like a video card issue
[08:08] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering in xorg? now the fonts are like in fedora
[08:08] <Tr0gd0r> its a 3dfx banshee
[08:08] <thelusiv> i have a question...i have a ice1712 chipset sound card
[08:08] <thelusiv> m-audio audiophyle 2496
[08:08] <Tr0gd0r> i need to edit the x config, but right when it starts xdm loads so i cant edit it
[08:09] <thelusiv> Tr0gd0r: you should be able to edit it, then restart gdm/xdm and it will load the new config
[08:09] <knapjack> Tr0gd0r: You can boot single-user or boot from the rescue disk and mount the drive and disable xdm in the init scripts.
[08:09] <thelusiv> i need the envy24control tool to mix this card...and i need alsaconf to set it up
[08:09] <tritium> cuatro, you mean that they're anti-aliased?
[08:10] <thelusiv> but these don't appear to be in alsa-utils for some reason?
[08:10] <cuatro> yes :/
[08:10] <knapjack> thelusiv: Sounds like xdm locks up the machine before he can get to a login prompt at the console.
[08:10] <cuatro> tritium :P
[08:10] <cuatro> it's cool
[08:10] <thelusiv> ooh i see
[08:10] <Tr0gd0r> yes it does
[08:11] <knapjack> Can anyone walk Tr0gd0r through a single-user boot w/ GRUB?
[08:12] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you need to reboot into single-user mode?
[08:12] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:13] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, okay, let's use grub-reboot
[08:13] <Tr0gd0r> how?
[08:13] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, can you look at /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> my screen is blank, as x-windows isnt working
[08:14] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, Ctrl-Alt-F1 ?
[08:14] <tritium> does that get you to a console?
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> tried
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> nope
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> still blank
[08:14] <iGad_diner> wohee... let's reboot and see if the 686 kernel works :)
[08:14] <iGad_diner> brb
[08:14] <tritium> okay, just reboot the machine and hit Esc before grub starts booting
[08:14] <tritium> linux
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> k one sec
[08:16] <Tr0gd0r> alright at the screen
[08:16] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you can see a list?
[08:16] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:16] <cuatro> mariano yeahhh :D hoary rocks, it runs so speedy :)
[08:16] <tritium> arrow down and select one that says "recovery mode"
[08:17] <tritium> and hit return
[08:17] <Tr0gd0r> k loading
[08:17] <tritium> okay, you're going to boot into single-user mode
[08:18] <Tr0gd0r> which means?
[08:18] <tritium> as root, with none of the multi-user stuff
[08:19] <Tr0gd0r> now wheres the xserver config
[08:19] <Tr0gd0r> so i can try to fix it
[08:19] <goldfish> hey lads, is there anyway i can reset XF86Config-4 to default?
[08:19] <goldfish> I forgot to make a backup :/
[08:19] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, /etc/X11, but I suggest you try dpkg-reconfigure
[08:19] <goldfish> el n00b
[08:19] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you're on Warty?
[08:20] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:20] <nanophase> hi
[08:20] <nanophase> anyone knows how to dualhead on a radeon mobility (or at all) ?
[08:20] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:20] <Tr0gd0r> it says please specify a package to reconfigure
[08:20] <tritium> see above
[08:21] <morchuboo> Hi all - my first time in here. Can anyone tell me how to configure the GDM - I want to set its resolution to 1024 x 768
[08:22] <morchuboo> I tried gdmsetup but that doesnt et you choose its resolution
[08:22] <tritium> morchuboo, you need to configure your xserver, not gdm, for the resolution
[08:22] <Xappe> GDM uses the first resolution in Xfree86.conf I think
[08:23] <morchuboo> but i want to let people set their user resolution to higher if they want - just that the default for GDM be 1024
[08:23] <Tr0gd0r> which sould i use for standerd ps2 mouse
[08:23] <tritium> morchuboo, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[08:24] <Tr0gd0r> /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux
[08:24] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, /dev/input/mice should work
[08:25] <Tr0gd0r> which xfree86 modules should i remove?
[08:25] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, using nvidia?
[08:25] <Tr0gd0r> 3dfx
[08:26] <tritium> I'm not sure that you have to remove any.
[08:26] <tritium> But I don't have 3dfx
[08:26] <metaliu> does anyone know if ubuntu will work with my ATI All-in-wonder Radeon 7500?
[08:27] <metaliu> more specifically, so i can use my tv tuner and tv out and do pvr stuff?
[08:27] <chibifs> Metaliu - Yes, but don't expect amazing 3d performance.
[08:27] <Sav> Im using X.IRC and i cannot see bold and itailc text, how can i fix this?
[08:27] <Sav> X-Chat even
[08:27] <metaliu> chibifs: im not planning on doing games, just pvr stuff
[08:27] <Tr0gd0r> bakc to console, should i reboot or start xserver
[08:27] <chibifs> Ah.  Just look into things first. And a plain Debian testing might do you better.
[08:29] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, I need to get going.  Good luck.
[08:29] <chibifs> MythTV installs a lot easier on vanilla debian, anyway.
[08:30] <tritium> chibifs, how so?
[08:30] <Manny> hi
[08:30] <chibifs> Lots of library name conflicts between ubuntu and debian testing.
[08:31] <Manny> is it somehow possible to install ubuntu using a partitioned, formatted HD and internet access from a bootable live CD?
[08:31] <abiertos> hello, I want to now how I can add my email to the messenger of a friend that eliminated me
[08:31] <Manny> I remember some manual bootstrapping with deb
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> Manny:  heh, I wanted net-install livecds (DEbian's net installers are 20M cds, so +20M on the livecd), that may be neat if they ever decide to make 'em
[08:32] <Manny> hrm I have a debian netinst CD
[08:32] <thelusiv> anybody here use envy24control?
[08:33] <Manny> maybe I can hack it to use the ubuntu repository?
[08:33] <chibifs> Manny - You can, but it'll be kinda rough
[08:33] <chibifs> I tried it once, it made a messy install :P
[08:33] <Manny> :/
[08:33] <Manny> I want a clean installation
[08:34] <Manny> the problem is that my pegasos doesn't like the ubuntu CD kernel. Obviously it has problems with the initrd
[08:34] <chibifs> Well, how is the disk formatted?
[08:35] <chibifs> You could always pick out and backup parts of the old OS if you're looking to replace it. I do that often.
[08:35] <Manny> I have a working deb installation on it
[08:35] <Manny> I plan to resize this partition, though
[08:36] <Manny> this would have to take place from a rescue CD or such
[08:36] <chibifs> Ah, so you want Ubuntu and Debian :P
[08:36] <Manny> chibifs, no, I want ubuntu instead of deb
[08:36] <chibifs> Well, do this, then. Boot from the ubuntu install CD, and open a terminal.
[08:36] <Manny> chibifs, well, booting the CD doesn't work - because it has an initrd kernel
[08:37] <Tr0gd0r> where is the xserver log file found?
[08:37] <Manny> can I build my own CD with a non-initrd kernel? :)
[08:37] <Manny> Tr0gd0r, you use XFree86?
[08:37] <altan> is there any way I can send some sort of alert to a machine that I am ssh'ed to, like to another user that's logged on? I have root access, but I need to get the attention of the current user somehow
[08:37] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:38] <Manny>  /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:38] <chibifs> :o I don't understand why your bios would have trouble booting the disk. ;_;
[08:38] <Manny> chibifs, it boots the kernel
[08:38] <chibifs> Does it not get to the debian installer?
[08:38] <Manny> but the screen suddently displays colored squares and hangs. I see a blinking "thingie" (cursor?) scattered over 6 or 7 locations
[08:39] <Manny> I'm talking abou the warty preview iso
[08:39] <chibifs> Oh! I'm talking about the install CD :P
[08:39] <Manny> I as well
[08:39] <Manny> oh, I messed it up with the live CD
[08:39] <Manny> it is the install CD
[08:40] <chibifs> Live CDs are smelly o.o
[08:40] <Tr0gd0r> i had the error no screens found
[08:40] <guerby> hi, how to rebuild just one module of the kernel? (in my case prism54)
[08:40] <chibifs> Manny, I'm lost :P
[08:41] <Manny> chibifs, :P
[08:41] <scaroo> hi ppl ! the last xorg upgrade broke my x installation, i m stuck with 640x480, the xorg.log speaks about not finding te right mode because of an hsync trouble, any clue ?
[08:42] <Tr0gd0r> how do i get out of insert mode in vi?
[08:43] <scaroo> trogdor press 'i' or :q ther 'emacs' :d
[08:43] <scaroo> *then
[08:43] <Tr0gd0r> if i type that it will just go into the file im editing
[08:44] <scaroo> wow you wanted to get out the edit mode ! didn t read correctly, i m not a vi user but i think you can leave a mode by pressing esc
[08:44] <theine> Tr0gd0r: try vimtutor
[08:45] <theine> Tr0gd0r: ... in a terminal
[08:47] <djtansey> i just (re)installed hoary (array 4) -- automounting doesn't work. what gives?
[08:47] <djtansey> and are there any work around?
[08:47] <knapjack> Is there a mime editor in warty?
[08:49] <neighborlee> djtansey, I dont use hoary but unless someone replies here I"d suggest for now the forums..sorry I can't be more help
[08:50] <djtansey> neighborlee: i'm there poking aronud already. :) thanks
[08:50] <neighborlee> knapjack, i'm not in linux atm but i'd check prefs or system tools area..Idont use that stuff much but it should be in there somewhere ..
[08:50] <neighborlee> djtansey, oh ok ;-))
[08:50] <neighborlee> np
[08:50] <knapjack> neighborlee: thanks
[08:50] <neighborlee> yw
[08:51] <Tr0gd0r> how do i install javavm on mozilla firefox
[08:52] <XiMobile> Damn, I am way out of my league here. I just wanted to know how to get my trackball running ...
[08:52] <pisuke> Tr0gd0r, www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:53] <LinuxJones> knapjack, gnome 2.8 has automatic file associations. If you need to change it right click the file then open with other app.
[08:53] <hybrid> hello
[08:55] <Ensiferum> hi
[08:55] <iGadget_> re
[08:55] <iGadget_> well... first fglrx driver running... screen looks a little better
[08:55] <hybrid> has anyone in here used amule? if so what are some good servers?
[08:55] <Ensiferum> if I switch to another tty with Alt+F1 for example switching back to X with Alt+F7 works only once.
[08:55] <iGadget_> now for that 'dvi alternate mode' option
[08:55] <Ensiferum> anyone knows what gives?
[08:55] <morchuboo> I just tried editing xorg.conf to set 1024x768 as the default resolution so GDM will start in 1024, but it just uses 1280x1024 with a viewport of 1024x768
[08:56] <Jeeez> hi there
[08:56] <theine> too bad libavcodec2 (which is a dependency of mplayer) is missing from the multiverse repositor
[08:56] <theine> y
[08:56] <morchuboo> I want to enable users to use any resolution, but make GDM use 1024x768
[08:56] <Jeeez> Are there any known problems with ubuntu and ICS?
[08:56] <theine> in hoary i should add
[08:57] <morchuboo> if I take out the reference to 128x1024 then users cant select resolutions higher than 1024
[08:57] <Br|ce> hi
[08:57] <Br|ce> I'm trying to install slune under hoary
[08:57] <Br|ce> and I get the following error :
[08:58] <Br|ce> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:58] <Br|ce>   slune: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[08:58] <Br|ce>          Depends: python-openal (>= 0.1.4-4) but it is not going to be installed
[08:58] <Br|ce> E: Broken packages
[08:58] <Br|ce> is there anything I can do ? maybe fill a bugreport ?
[08:59] <tanari> hi all
[08:59] <tanari> I have problem with rhythmbox (0.8.5), when I want launch it I see error message: Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register?
[08:59] <iGadget_> well... did you? :)
[08:59] <Br|ce> :p
[09:00] <hybrid> lol
[09:00] <tanari> @ubuntu:~ $ gst-register
[09:00] <tanari> bash: gst-register: command not found
[09:00] <njs12345> tanari: try gst-register-0.8
[09:00] <tanari> njs12345 thanks, now works
[09:00] <njs12345> np :)
[09:01] <estebandido> hello... i have a problem: boot hangs at "Configuring network interfaces"
[09:01] <njs12345> a useful fact: in the terminal if you press [TAB]  it completes the names of programs
[09:01] <iGadget_> stupid error... why can't it just ask if you'd ran gst-register-0.8? :p
[09:01] <njs12345> so if you type in gst-register and press [TAB]  it'll give you gst-register-0.8
[09:01] <Br|ce> anyone's got an idea for my own question ?
[09:02] <Tr0gd0r> how do i change default window manager from gnome to icewm?
[09:03] <ioxae> Trogd0r: gdm configuration files ,there should be a tool in system tools/configuration or whatever
[09:04] <Tr0gd0r> where?
[09:04] <Tr0gd0r> im in sustem toos/configureation
[09:05] <ioxae> look for anything that says 'gdm'
[09:05] <ioxae> or , edit the file by hand ..
[09:05] <ioxae> www.google.com
[09:05] <iGadget_> br|ce: I'm not ignoring you... I just don't know :|
[09:05] <Tr0gd0r> what directory?!?
[09:05] <estebandido> any thoughts on getting my machine to boot?
[09:05] <ioxae> I'm not going to hold your hand ..
[09:05] <Br|ce> iGadget_: :)
[09:06] <umarmung> Tr0gd0r, when you log in through gdm chose icewm from session, then you get ask if this should be default from now on
[09:06] <ioxae> Tr0gd0r: you should be able to SELECT "icewm" whe you login by the way , if its installed ....
[09:06] <iGadget_> ioxae: well if your hands are warm, that'd be quite welcome ;)
[09:06] <cuatro> hoarys rocks!! it's running so fast on my p3 667 mhz, 256 ram :D I'm happy :D
[09:06] <cuatro> http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png
[09:06] <cuatro> :P
[09:06] <ioxae> iGadget_: quit flirting you dirty european
[09:07] <ioxae> :P
[09:07] <iGadget_> ;)
[09:07] <tanari> I have another problem with rhythmbox, it doesn't show non englosh mp3 tags
[09:07] <zenwhen> O;
[09:07] <ioxae> tanari: but was submitted and fixed .. update
[09:08] <ioxae> tanari: japanese text ?
[09:08] <morchuboo> br|ce: I think this means that the package needs to be rebuilt for python 2.4, it comes up quite often with universe packages
[09:08] <tanari> no, cyrillic mp3 tags
[09:08] <Br|ce> morchuboo: ok, or maybe it should depend on python2.3 not python
[09:08] <Br|ce> morchuboo: should I use something like apt-build ?
[09:09] <LinuxJones> cuatro, those drop shadows look awesome !!
[09:09] <tanari> I have this problem with all audio players based on gstreamer
[09:09] <cuatro> LinuxJones yeah rocks :D hary rocks ;) :P :D
[09:09] <morchuboo> repackaging is something Ive been wanting to get into for a while so I can repack some of the universe stuff - but i dont know anything about it yet
[09:09] <cuatro> hoary :D
[09:10] <Br|ce> mmm, I'm under hoary and doesn't have these dropshadow ;)
[09:10] <larsrohdin> hi, im having troubles getting my stuf transparent in fluxbox... whatever i do the backgrounds are black...
[09:10] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: guess you're using the stable fluxbox version
[09:10] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: you want to install the dev one
[09:11] <larsrohdin> ok... how and where?
[09:11] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: I'm unsure there's a ubuntu package for it though
[09:11] <djtansey> anyone here know anything about the "auto" filesystem type? because gnome-volume-manager is saying that it is invalid.
[09:11] <morchuboo> djtansey: what you trying to mount?
[09:11] <larsrohdin> i got the stuf transparent once, but then it showed my old background insted of my present...
[09:12] <djtansey> morchuboo: a CF disk plugged into a pcmcia card. gnome-volume-manager (running it in a terminal to watch what it says) says Error: invalid file system name 'auto'
[09:13] <tanari> can somebody help me with rhythmbox please? I like this app, but can't see cyrillic mp3 tags
[09:13] <mcphail> djtansey: try mounting it as vfat
[09:13] <morchuboo> try mounting it manually
[09:13] <iGadget_> so... what's the overall opinion... upgrade to hoary or not?
[09:14] <djtansey> morchuboo, mcphail: would almost certainly work. but i want gnome-volume-manager to detect it. so unless i can somehow tell g-v-m to use vfat i'd rather try to figure out why g-v-m doesn't recognize "auto" (i've mounted this before manually so i know it iworks)
[09:14] <njs12345> tanari: you could try converting the encodings to utf-8
[09:14] <djtansey> iGadget: i'd say do it. the breaks are few. i eventually did a clean reinstall with an array CD though since the upgrade isn't always perfect.
[09:14] <njs12345> iGadget_: if you use your Warty for non-crucial work then yes
[09:14] <njs12345> you can do all kinds of spiffy crap with it
[09:14] <looksaus> hm, is anyone else experiencing unstable connections on cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[09:15] <iGadget_> okay...
[09:15] <iGadget_> djtansey: about your CF card, how much space has it?
[09:15] <looksaus> it tends to download at +-750K/s (top speed of my cable modem) at moments, then fall back to 60 K/s
[09:16] <djtansey> morchuboo, mcphail: mounted it manually and it works. either of you have an idea of where g-v-m gets its knowledge about FSs? are the filesystems part of the kernel or elsewhere?
[09:16] <looksaus> I would download from the local university network mirror, but that one's down for maintenance right now
[09:16] <mcphail> looksaus: tried bittorrent?
[09:16] <djtansey> iGadget: just 256MB. usually works beautifully. i might have to set up a fstab mountpoint for the thing instead of just using gnome-volume-manager though...
[09:17] <iGadget_> djtansey: with sizes that small, it probably has a fat16 filesystem
[09:17] <mcphail> djtansey: that sounds like a good idea. Might be worth reformatting the card first?
[09:17] <looksaus> mcphail, no, cable provider sharks severely limit upload capacity here :(
[09:18] <Br|ce> hum, after looking into the python-openal, it seems like the python dependancy is crappy
[09:18] <djtansey> mcphail, iGadget: it is vfat -- i mounted it manually and it works happily. i would rather solve the actual problem though. g-v-m should be able to handle this
[09:18] <Br|ce> is there a way to rebuild or altere the package ?
[09:18] <mcphail> djtansey: don't know much about it. My USB drives auto vfat perfectly
[09:19] <djtansey> mcphail: hoary or warty?
[09:19] <mcphail> warty
[09:19] <larsrohdin> Br|ce, i found the problem... it was a known problem with the image viewer qiv, which i used with fbsetbg.. i installed feh insted and it works perfectly!
[09:19] <spacey> usb drives worked for me in warty and hoary
[09:19] <spacey> don't have one atm though
[09:20] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: ok :)
[09:20] <iGadget_> djtansey: I see fat16 now falls under vfat indeed... some years back fat and vfat were separate filesystems when using mount
[09:20] <djtansey> iGadget: yeah. i remember those days. its amazing how much has changed since i started using Rhat 4.x
[09:20] <tanari> njs12345 I tried to convert UTF-8, but still can't see
[09:20] <djtansey> iGadget: even if things aren't yet perfect (then we were predicting world domination by now...)
[09:21] <iGadget_> djtansey: well then you're even a bigger veteran than me... my first linux steps were with rh5.1 :)
[09:21] <mcphail> djtansey: are you plugging CF card directly into PCMCIA slot?
[09:21] <njs12345> compared to the two of you I'm a linux n00b :P
[09:22] <djtansey> iGadget: yeah. to be honest that was my first serious distro. i got 4.x but only wiped my windows partition with 5.1
[09:22] <iGadget_> ghehehe
[09:22] <djtansey> mcphail: well, through a little adapter. but year
[09:22] <djtansey> mcphail: "yeah"
[09:23] <iGadget_> can anyone tell me how risky it is to mount an ntfs volume rw?
[09:23] <Ensiferum> can someone tell me how does all the gnome settings work like keyboard layout? I presume that gnome has it's own settings stored somewhere (per user perhaps) and it sets them from there when loading?
[09:24] <sig> Ensiferum: in "preferences" >> "keyboard layout"
[09:24] <sig> in the gnome panel
[09:24] <Ensiferum> sig: thats not what i asked
 can someone tell me how does all the gnome settings work like keyboard layout?
[09:24] <sig> you can change them from there
[09:25] <sig> period...
[09:25] <Ensiferum> more specifically, how does gnome make those settings happen
[09:25] <Ensiferum> i assume it uses x tools to configure x on the fly?
[09:26] <mcphail> djtansey: some stuff in man mount. I'll post to flood. Might be bad superblock on your card.
[09:26] <Ensiferum> silence..
[09:26] <djjason> by mistake I removed the top menu panel, is there a way for me to get it back, restore it?
[09:26] <Ensiferum> djjason: reinstall ;)
[09:27] <djjason> what.....there must be a way to restore it?
[09:27] <Ensiferum> djjason: dont count on it
[09:27] <ArCHoNKoG> there is not libpng3 package
[09:28] <djjason> Ensiferum: but I could just use the package manager and reinstall gnome....and that should do the trick?
[09:28] <snowblink> djjason: gnome-panel
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> wo
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> wow
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> I just umounted a compact flash card
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> and ubuntu said "WHOA WHAT THE FUCK"
[09:29] <djjason> snowblink: should I run that or?
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: huh?
[09:29] <djjason> or reinstall
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> and shit, now gnome's broken
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: As in literally?
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  no, as in, the computer stopped doing anything
[09:29] <snowblink> djjason: personally, I'd try a command before reinstallation
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: ah, well, that's always a bad idea :P
[09:30] <morchuboo> anyone know how to stop xfce asking for sudo password when wanting to turn off computer?
[09:30] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: never remove a mounted volume!
[09:30] <djjason> snowblink: you mean running gnome-panel
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  umount /mnt/usb0 is a bad idea?
[09:30] <snowblink> djjason: yeah
[09:30] <djjason> snowblink: it says that it has detected another panel running and will exit?
[09:30] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: no, sorry, misread  unmounted as removed, sorry
[09:31] <snowblink> djjason: what happens when you restart GNOME?
[09:31] <djjason> snowblink: it just starts up again...without the top panel
[09:32] <Tr0gd0r> i installed j2re and when i goto a site in mozilla with java it still wont work
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> sync first
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> whew.
[09:32] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: umount syncs,
[09:32] <toresbe> .*
[09:32] <Guest_> Has anyone ever configured Shorewall. I have an ubuntu box which my router DMZ's to. I want to prevent access from the internet to the SMB service.
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  not when the machine freezes
[09:33] <toresbe> djjason: You *could* "rm -rf ~/.gnome", this would flush all your gnome settings
[09:33] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: strange
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> I just changed from the 2.6.10-2-amd64-generic to k8 kernel though
[09:33] <toresbe> hmm
[09:33] <ArCHoNKoG> where can i find libpng3 i need that to instlal cedega
[09:34] <djjason> toresbe: ok....thanks...maby Ill just have to do that
[09:34] <djjason> unless someone else has a suggestion
[09:34] <topyli> toresbe, djjason: the .gnome dir might have lots of interesting stuff you don't want to lose
[09:34] <toresbe> topyli: Oh? Like what?
[09:35] <morchuboo> Tr0gd0r: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:35] <djjason> well I just set it up last night...so there isnt musch there yet
[09:35] <mcphail> Chest: welcome
[09:35] <topyli> toresbe: i mean .gnome2 of course. well, there's all my nautilus scripts, epiphany bookmars, keyrings...
[09:35] <Chest> howdy all.  I need a minimal server distro, preferably on one cd.  Would ubuntu fulfill this?  Is is fairly easy to install a minimal, server oriented os?
[09:36] <toresbe> topyli: aha
[09:36] <Chest> ubuntu seems desktop oriented
[09:36] <toresbe> Chest: minimal server = debian sarge netinstall
[09:36] <spacey> i have ubuntu as server
[09:36] <spacey> and works perfectlyh
[09:36] <spacey> just boot it with custom bootparameter at the install cd
[09:36] <Chest> toresbe: so your saying no, install sarge?
[09:37] <morchuboo> Chest: If you select expert / custom install it will install just the base packages - you can then install anything you want for your server as you wish. Advantage - you will know exactly what is on your server
[09:37] <topyli> Chest: sarge is no server until it's stable
[09:37] <Chest> morchuboo: ok
[09:37] <Chest> thanks
[09:37] <morchuboo> np :)
[09:38] <toresbe> Chest: Yeah, basically, Ubuntu is by no means minimal. You don't want GNOME and so on on a server, but morchuboo made a good point :)
[09:38] <Chest> ubuntu is a debian based distro right?
[09:38] <morchuboo> yep
[09:39] <topyli> Chest: or at least the front page of ubuntu.com :)
[09:39] <Chest> heh
[09:40] <AndyR> evenin' all
[09:40] <iGadget_> hmmm... where can I specify the preferred audio device?
[09:40] <iGadget_> (I have several soundcards installed in my system)
[09:41] <iGadget_> with xmms I could simply specify emu10k1 audio... but vlc has no option for this as far as I can see
[09:42] <iGadget_> so I assume it's playing on the primary audio device
[09:42] <topyli> does anybody use p3nfs anymore?
[09:47] <snowblink> I would have thought GNOME would not let you remove your remaining panel...
[09:47] <Natx> hello
[09:48] <ja> Hello Natx
[09:51] <xadas_> #openoffice.org
[09:52] <neom> hullo
[09:52] <iGadget_> almost
[09:54] <xquizit> Hey how come I can't edit the applications menu in hoary?
[09:55] <xquizit> this is the command I am using "nautilus applications:///Internet"
[09:56] <Natx> i'm having some trouble with my recently received ubuntu cd's
[09:56] <djjason> Ive been trying to reinstall gnome, but the top menu panel is still not there
[09:56] <iGadget_> because...
[09:56] <Ensiferum> djjason: you gotta delete your gnome settings
[09:56] <Natx> finally i've could install ubuntu, but disabling USB support on motherboard
[09:57] <Natx> but now i cannot startup my windows
[09:57] <Natx> and gdm doesn't start
[09:57] <djjason> Ensiferum: I did remove ~/.gnome
[09:57] <iGadget_> errr... you didn't select 'erase entire harddrive', did you?
[09:57] <Natx> i've installed ubuntu over a debian partition
[09:57] <Ensiferum> djjason: i dont think all the settings are there
[09:57] <djjason> oh crap
[09:57] <Natx> no i didn't iGadget
[09:58] <mcphail> Natx: what happens when you try to boot windows?
[09:58] <Natx> grub tries to start but computer freezes
[09:58] <morchuboo> xquizit: Its an upstream change - Gnome no longer uses the applications:/// way, they now use the freedesktop.org standards - this will lead to better interoptability. Unfortunately, they have stopped the old way before having an alternative menu editor ready
[09:58] <Ensiferum> djjason: i have just few empty folders in my ~/.gnome
[09:58] <morchuboo> you need to edit the .desktop files
[09:58] <xadas_> Natx try rootnoverify in menu.lst
[09:58] <iGadget_> let's see if my windoze still wants to boot
[09:58] <xquizit> ok thanks morchuboo i'll try that :D
[09:58] <stuNNed> hi bluefoxicy
[09:58] <iGadget_> c y'all later
[09:59] <Natx> menu.lst? is it the grub config file, isn't it?
[09:59] <djjason> isnt it just possible to reset all the X settings
[09:59] <njs12345> hmm
[09:59] <njs12345> is there any way to allow echoing of passwords?
[09:59] <xquizit> morchuboo, where is the .desktop file?
[09:59] <njs12345> I'm using a tablet PC and the lack of echoing for passwords makes it very difficult to input characters
[10:00] <xadas_> Natx, yop
[10:00] <morchuboo> xquizit: /usr/share/applications
[10:00] <mcphail> njs12345: ubuntu works with tablets?
[10:00] <xquizit> wow that a lot haha, i'm guessing that I can't do this througha GUI anymore :s
[10:01] <morchuboo> but i have a feeling there is somewhere in your home directory that you should put your own mande .desktop files - cant remeber where though
[10:01] <morchuboo> will find out
[10:01] <djjason> where could possible all my gnome settings be
[10:01] <xquizit> ok :)
[10:01] <Natx> xadas_, must i put rootnoverify in some specific place in menu.lst (i'm used to work with lilo, no grub)
[10:02] <xquizit> omg those .desktop files look confusing haha
[10:02] <xquizit> nm i'm just drunk :P
[10:03] <morchuboo> :)
[10:05] <jeyrad> hey, anyone know what the default root pass is?
[10:05] <Quest-Master> jeyrad: The same as your user pass
[10:05] <jeyrad> i tried it; didnt work :(
[10:05] <Natx> jeyrad you can change it writing sudo passwd root
[10:06] <topyli> jeyrad: you don't log in as root. you use sudo with your own passwd
[10:06] <djjason> I tried to log into using another session and the panel is also gone from there....I must have deleted it or sum....
[10:06] <jeyrad> i need to configure stuff, it asks for the root password
[10:06] <jeyrad> and i dont know what to put in
[10:07] <larsrohdin> how can i change fonts and fontsizes in fluxbox? do i have to edit the specific theme?
[10:07] <topyli> jeyrad: what asks for root passwd?
[10:07] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: yes
[10:07] <jeyrad> the system config thing
[10:07] <topyli> jeyrad: what is this thing?
[10:07] <hypn0> Natx: after the title i think
[10:07] <jeyrad> Login Screen Setup
[10:07] <Natx> i'm trying now hypn0, thx
[10:08] <topyli> jeyrad: afaik, it says "please enter your password"
[10:08] <larsrohdin> ok, but how? is it in the file in styles? i don't understand what to edit... is there maybe a faq to read?
[10:09] <jeyrad> ok, thanks topyli
[10:09] <jeyrad> it wasnt working before for some reason :P
[10:09] <untut> i installed ubunto 4.10 last week but i entered user/passwd several times end int doesn't allomw me to login
[10:10] <iapx8088> untut, caps was on?
[10:10] <untut> i think not
[10:10] <larsrohdin> Ensiferum, ok, but how? is it in the file in styles? i don't understand what to edit... is there maybe a faq to read?
[10:10] <snowblink> djjason: I tried a dummy account - and it doesn't let you delete the last panel
[10:10] <neighborlee> what is the status does anyone know about including java and say flash out of the box ??
[10:10] <untut> iapx8088: i think not
[10:10] <topyli> untut: i had the same problem when i still had a + sign in my password. finnish keyboard
[10:11] <iapx8088> untut, you just forgot it?
[10:11] <pvh> Hi, has anyone got local multi-user working in Ubuntu?
[10:11] <Tr0gd0r> i just wanna run mozilla and a java app from a website on my p200, even ubuntu with firefox and icewm cant
[10:11] <pvh> I'd like to be able to hook up a second keyboard/mouse for my girlfriend to use when I'm doing other stuff.
[10:11] <Rockj> which bootloader does Ubuntu comes with?
[10:11] <topyli> Rockj: grub
[10:11] <Natx> rockj grub
[10:11] <Rockj> Ive tried debian now, and I only get error 15 with debian sarge :S
[10:11] <Rockj> even if I click install lilo
[10:12] <Rockj> so I have given up debian
[10:12] <Natx> xadas_, hypn0, it doesn't work
[10:12] <Rockj> heard ubuntu should be good
[10:12] <Rockj> is it same type of setup as debian or? oO
[10:12] <topyli> Rockj: ubuntu installer is pretty much the same
[10:12] <Natx> i meant rootnoverify, booting windows keeps freezin tha pc
[10:13] <topyli> Rockj: when do you get this error?
[10:13] <Natx> i think ubuntu haven't installed correctly
[10:13] <Tr0gd0r> anyway to run mozilla without a window manager running?
[10:13] <untut> not, i entered the passwd several times, iapx8088
[10:13] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: you want to edit that specific style
[10:13] <snowblink> pvh: multi-user at the same time on the same screen?
[10:13] <iapx8088> untut, explain it better
[10:13] <Natx> because during the apt-get, i've read some read errors from /dev/hdc (cdrom)
[10:13] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: most likely in ~/.fluxbox/styles
[10:13] <iapx8088> what deas it mean
[10:13] <topyli> untut: does your password have special characters in it? i had problems with a plus sign
[10:14] <Ensiferum> or if its global i.e. in /usr/share somewhere you wanna copy it
[10:14] <Natx> i think the cd's i've received doesn't work correctly in my dvd-rom
[10:14] <topyli> untut: in gdm only, not in the console
[10:14] <Natx> hypn0, it doesn't work, windows keeps freezing at startup
[10:14] <Rockj> topyli: on debian, I first type expert26 , and I go thru the steps
[10:14] <larsrohdin> Ensiferum, yes i understand that, but i cant really understand to files... what to edit and so on... do you know if theres a faq or something i can read?
[10:14] <Rockj> when I come to  install base system, I click it, and it install grub
[10:15] <pvh> snowblink: I have two monitors.
[10:15] <untut> topyli: in both intyerfacers
[10:15] <pvh> snowblink: I'd like to be able to "split one off"
[10:15] <Rockj> automatic, reboots, and I get error 15. I get the same error even if I skip over install basesystem but over to  install lilo as bootloader
[10:15] <Rockj> :(
[10:15] <Rockj> grub gets installed and same error
[10:15] <snowblink> pvh: Never heard of doing that I'm afraid.
[10:15] <topyli> Rockj: were you able to boot the installed system from a boot disk or the install cd?
[10:15] <hypn0> Natx: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2004-November/075019.html
[10:16] <pvh> snowblink: I've heard of some people doing it using an AGP and a PCI card.
[10:16] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: fluxbox.org has FAQ and helps
[10:16] <hypn0> dont have xp :-)
[10:16] <snowblink> pvh: sounds interesting
[10:16] <pvh> snowblink: But apparently it's not an easy process. And I don't want it always enabled.
[10:16] <topyli> untut: you probably don't have the same problem i did. i traced it down to locales (or so I think)
[10:16] <Rockj> topyli: dunno how to do that :S as I dunno how to chroot it from console after I booted up the cd. as there is no SDA listed in /dev :S
[10:17] <Tr0gd0r> anyone know a distro that could run www.runescape.com on a p200?
[10:17] <Natx> thx, hypn0
[10:18] <topyli> Rockj: not sure but the cd should have a "rescue" boot option
[10:18] <Natx> anyway i'm having some more troubles: just after install, gdm cannot startup, it says there is no screen....
[10:18] <Natx> my video card is riva tnt, from nvidia,
[10:18] <topyli> Rockj: this is all  assuming that there is a system to boot :)
[10:18] <iapx8088> Natx, strange, is an old one
[10:19] <Rockj> topyli: I assume so too, I mean, the installer automatic reboots :S and I follow the steps one for one
[10:19] <Natx> ....
[10:19] <Natx> sorry
[10:19] <iapx8088> natx did you install nvidia proprietary drivers?
[10:19] <Natx> i didn't know what i'm saying, ipax8088, ... is from nvidia, but is geforce 4
[10:19] <Natx> no, its a *very* fresh install
[10:20] <iapx8088> mh
[10:20] <topyli> Rockj: doesn't prove anything more than that the _installer_ thinks all is cool
[10:20] <wezzer> any idea how to get diamond viper v550 to work in ubuntu? I mean 3D graphics
[10:20] <untut> it's better to install in english, topyli ?
[10:20] <iapx8088> Natx,  you should see if it's supported by xfree, if not install nvidia proprietary drivers
[10:20] <Natx> i'm trying apt-get upgrade, but i think it's not the problem
[10:20] <Rockj> topyli: mhm, thing is, I want to boot it up and check the configuration for grub :S but dunno how. as I dunno how to mount my "installed?" system
[10:20] <Natx> thanks ipax8088
[10:21] <topyli> untut: dunno, i installed in english but i use a finnish keyboard layout, so that might have been the problem
[10:21] <Natx> i'll check this, then
[10:21] <iapx8088> Natx, don't forget to make the configuration changes
[10:21] <mike998> is the backports site down?
[10:22] <topyli> Rockj: IIRC, the cd should have a "rescue" boot option to do just that. but you might have to find the filesystem still. i've never had to do that with debian
[10:22] <Natx> i'll do ipax8088, thx
[10:23] <untut> ok typyli -er topyli
[10:23] <wm_eddie> anyone know a repository where I can get a newer version of Abiword? 2.0.7 is buggy...
[10:24] <topyli> wm_eddie: there's ubuntu-bp.org. very unofficial backports. or build from hoary sources
[10:24] <iapx8088> mmh
[10:25] <wm_eddie> I tried building Abiword 2.2 myself but it would just crash after I made the plugins
[10:25] <topyli> wm_eddie: where'd you get the sources?
[10:25] <Tr0gd0r> what window manager has the smallest memory footprint?
[10:26] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: twm probably
[10:26] <wm_eddie> topyli: From abisource
[10:26] <Tr0gd0r> apt-get install twm?
[10:27] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: apt-get install x-window-system should do it. it's the x default
[10:28] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: very basic, very ugly, but you can configure it to be prettier
[10:29] <jmhodges> hey, whats the magic ubuntu does at install time to make grub see other operating systems at ubuntu's own kernels automagically?
[10:29] <topyli> wm_eddie: use debian sources, or better, hoary sources. use apt to build
[10:29] <Sav> How do i mount a windows share with samba? (its user/password protected), and how to i mount a bin/cue file?
[10:31] <topyli> wm_eddie: put unstable or hoary sources in sources.list and do apt-get source -b abiword (or something, i forget)
[10:31] <topyli> wm_eddie: i use wajig, and build stuff with "wajig build stuff" :)
[10:32] <mcphail> Sav: don't know about Samba. I think you can mount bin/cue using http://www.jinjiru.ru/index/mountiso
[10:33] <Ensiferum> i installed fluxbox, but i need to have few things ran at login, such as setxkbmap, where to put those commands?
[10:34] <topyli> Sav: something like "smbmount -u<username> -p<passwd> /server/share /mountpoint". man smbmount. you can use plain "mount -t smbfs foo" as well
[10:34] <bas> helo, whats up with mplayer in hoary? i get a "libavcodeccvs is not available" error when apt-get installing it..
[10:35] <topyli> Ensiferum: ~/.xsession i guess
[10:35] <Sav> mcphail, i need kde for that package =(
[10:36] <mcphail> Sav: sorry. Long time since i last looked at it
[10:37] <topyli> Sav: doesn't nautilus "just work" with windows shares? it should
[10:38] <jeyrad> ok,this time it needs the root pass :P
[10:39] <topyli> jeyrad: oh, gdmsetup? :)
[10:39] <jeyrad> under control center
[10:39] <Ensiferum> topyli: could i somehow create a specific setting file for fluxbox only?
[10:39] <jeyrad> then under bootmanager and administrator mode
[10:39] <jeyrad> the administrator mode needs root pass
[10:40] <mjt> what does gconfd-2 process do, can anyone tell me?
[10:40] <steve__> anyone have an idea how I can get my computer to hibernate
[10:40] <topyli> Ensiferum: dunno. depends on what sets up your X session
[10:40] <steve__> my laptop
[10:40] <bas> in hoary mplayer from universe should work, right? theres no need for marillat sources anymore, right?
[10:40] <Ensiferum> topyli: gdm
[10:40] <jeyrad> topyli, can you help me here?
[10:41] <mcphail> Sav: maybe this will convert cin/cue to iso? http://he.fi/bchunk/
[10:41] <bas> steve__, it depends on your laptop, some can do it with acpi, some only with apm, others can only do software suspend..
[10:41] <chillywilly> do you guys think this will work with my nvidia onboard graphics?
[10:41] <larsrohdin> hi, can someone tell me what fonts these are? im most interested in the window title and the root-menu...  http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?themes/sid/aleczapka_fluxcarnation.jpg
[10:41] <farruinn> mjt: I would guess it is what applies all of your gnome settings (set in Preferences)
[10:41] <topyli> jeyrad: grubconf? you got that from universe didn't you :)
[10:41] <steve__> well, I have a fairly new computer, what woudl you recommend
[10:41] <jeyrad> yes, i got kde
[10:42] <mjt> farruinn: but i don't run gnome
[10:42] <steve__> If i close thelid, the screen goes off, but it is still running
[10:42] <jeyrad> kde and all those other things with it :P
[10:42] <topyli> jeyrad: i guess you need to enable root then
[10:42] <farruinn> mjt: it's probably used by gnome applications
[10:42] <jeyrad> how do?
[10:42] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[10:42] <jeyrad> ;p;
[10:42] <steve__> any ideas bas
[10:43] <Sav> mcphail, i just want to mount the iso, not convrt it, its a SVCD movie so i wanna be able to mount it and then look at it =)
[10:43] <nakeee> is there a list of packages in ubuntu somewhere?
[10:43] <topyli> Ensiferum: you should try and find what gdm runs when you choose fluxbox. in /etc/gdm/sessions or something
[10:43] <Sav> mcphail, what is nautilius?
[10:43] <mcphail> Sav: mounting an iso is easy. Mounting cue/bin is not
[10:43] <Sav> ok
[10:44] <topyli> jeyrad: sudo passwd root
[10:44] <bas> steve__, i think it just starts xscreensaver or sth like that, not sure how it works on ubuntu..
[10:44] <Slaven> I use bchunk to convert bin/cue -> iso and isodump to convert img -> iso
[10:45] <steve__> I am using ACPI, what would you propose
[10:45] <farruinn> nakeee: you could browse archive.ubuntulinux.org or use 'apt-cache search'
[10:45] <Slaven> there are several other programs out there for the different formats
[10:45] <farruinn> nakeee: however apt-cache search will only search the repositories you have enabled
[10:45] <topyli> Sav: nautilus is the gnome file manager
[10:45] <evarlast> is it me or does buzilla.ubuntu.com not work?  or does it only accept bugs for certain packages?
[10:46] <jeyrad> thank you topyli
[10:46] <mjt> ugh. gconfd-2, dbus-daemon-1, ...  what is all that nonsense?  and what it is doing here?  Which apps insists on starting these?
[10:46] <topyli> jeyrad: have you rooted your own box now? :)
[10:46] <jeyrad> yes
[10:46] <jeyrad> :P
[10:46] <topyli> bloody crackers ;)
[10:46] <Ensiferum> topyli: .xsession does not get read
[10:47] <evarlast> mjt: those are pretty core apps to gnome.  They are supposed to be running.
[10:48] <mjt> ok, i found where dbus is started (dunno why, but found it) - /etc/init.d/dbus-1
[10:48] <mjt> but i can't find who starts gconfd
[10:48] <topyli> Ensiferum: have a look around /etc/gdm, it might have its own idea what to run
[10:48] <thelusiv> anybody here use an envy24 chipset sound card with ubuntu?
[10:48] <Sav> topyli, how should i type to see contens in a windows share with user/pass protection in nautilius then?
[10:48] <Ensiferum> topyli: allready did
[10:48] <Ensiferum> didnt find anything
[10:49] <morchuboo> mjt: gconfd makes all your gnomesettings available to applications and dbus is a messaging system that allows differnent programs to talk to each other
[10:49] <topyli> Sav: Computer -> network
[10:49] <topyli> from the menu
[10:50] <topyli> Ensiferum: on debian, i used to have a gdm option of "Xsession". i think it's gone :(
[10:50] <morchuboo> mjt: dbus is started from init when the system starts
[10:50] <nakeee> what's restricted?
[10:51] <farruinn> mjt: if you open any gnome app, eg nautilus, gedit, evolution, it will probably start gconfd
[10:51] <farruinn> mjt: use gconf-editor to find out what uses gconf
[10:51] <topyli> nakeee: non-free kernel modules and other questionable stuff
[10:52] <Ensiferum> topyli: theres something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, any idea if i could create a file similar to 55gnome-session_gnomerc there?
[10:52] <mjt> lol. i don't have any of that stuff installed ;)
[10:52] <morchuboo> nakeee: things like the nvidia kernel module
[10:52] <Ensiferum> as in "if (fluxbox) source /~.fluxrc or something..
[10:52] <topyli> mjt: yeah, i also bought my hardware prudently :)
[10:52] <mjt> no nautilus, no evo, no gedit, no gconf...
[10:53] <_slice_> you have gnome and no nautilus and no gconf ?
[10:53] <morchuboo> mjt: so you not running gnome?
[10:53] <topyli> Ensiferum: yeah, it might respect it
[10:54] <mjt> i don't run gnome. pure X only.
[10:54] <evarlast> mjt: lol, Pure X eh??? so only twm and xterm :)
[10:54] <nakeee> mjt no window manager??
[10:54] <mjt> well, it's icewm
[10:54] <mjt> was twm before
[10:54] <chillywilly> is it Hoard Hedgehog?
[10:54] <chillywilly> Hoary
[10:55] <nakeee> mjr: so you are contaminated:)
[10:55] <mjt> i hate when i don't have control over my machine
[10:55] <mjt> contami.. what? ;)
[10:56] <mjt> hmm.. by what?
[10:56] <mjt> by gnome stuff which is running without my intention maybe? ;)
[10:57] <topyli> mjt: your x is not pure. you run icewm when there's twm which comes with x itself :)
[10:57] <chillywilly> twm sucks
[10:57] <mjt> i was running twm for a long time, switched to icewm about nov-2004
[10:57] <mjt> twm worked quite nicely.. after alot of tweaking
[10:57] <farruinn> icewm reminds me way too much of Winblows 95
[10:58] <farruinn> flux is rather nice
[10:58] <topyli> i've seen very nice twm setups
[10:58] <mjt> my .xdefaults was about 20Kb due to twm stuff
[10:58] <estebandido> question - what does it mean that i can see my wireless router, but not the internet?
[10:59] <topyli> mjt: i believe you with no hesitation :)
[11:00] <mcphail> estebandido: you probably haven't set the router as your gateway
[11:00] <estebandido> how do i do that?
[11:00] <estebandido> it worked a couple of hours ago
[11:00] <topyli> it really sucks when there's TWO things not working at the same time  >_<
[11:01] <blk> does it make sense to install the dri-trunk-modules over the standard Xorg ones? in debian (XF) it was a big performance enhancement..
[11:01] <mcphail> estebandido: man ifconfig
[11:01] <estebandido> tnx
[11:02] <regeya> okay, I'm attempting to install warty on a g4 with a sonnet ultra ata-133 card; installation gets as far as copying everything over, setting up yaboot, adn rebooting, but the kernel panics, unable to find anything on /
[11:03] <regeya> any wild ideas?
[11:03] <neighborlee> http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/ < this is off topic but its real cute and worth watching ;-))
[11:03] <klaym> does kernel panic mean that something about the code is screwed?
[11:03] <neighborlee> yes its at least linux related ;-)
[11:03] <evarlast> regeya: is it using initrd, and does it need the driver for that ata-133 card in the initrd?
[11:04] <regeya> excellent question!  darn if I know. :-(
[11:04] <regeya> hang on...
[11:04] <evarlast> regeya: can you shift-pgup to scroll up the kernel screen and see if it actually sees the disks?
[11:04] <blk> klaym: mostly it's about the user who screwed something
[11:05] <regeya> y'know, evarlast, I was having trouble finding this info, but not now.  I think I see the solution, evarlast.  Thanks, though.
[11:05] <regeya> appears that the driver isn't included.
[11:05] <mjt> after oops, shif-pgup does not work anymore in 2.6 (worked in 2.4(
[11:06] <regeya> cannot open dev/console
[11:06] <evarlast> regeya: but that is fixable.
[11:07] <klaym> blk: ok
[11:07] <klaym> so it isn't the kernel that panics but the user
[11:07] <evarlast> klaym: ha!  I sometimes panic when I see a kernel panic :)
[11:08] <regeya> evarlast: well, have you got any ideas on that?  I'm sitting here with an unbootable machine, and I'm having a major brainfart moment (which is why I juwst ran to #ubuntu and asked.)  Sorry for not thinking it through, though to tell the truth it's a production fileserver and I thionk I'm entitled to panic ;-)
[11:08] <iapx8088> regeya, what's up
[11:09] <Chest> can you manuall install packages off the Ubuntu installation cd
[11:09] <Chest> ?
[11:09] <klaym> I have never experienced a kernel panic. how does it happen?
[11:09] <Ensiferum> humm.. someone know how to either how to apply the settings that i have set in gnome for like GTK/icons and such when i run fluxbox.
[11:09] <regeya> iapx8088: seems the ubuntu install CD recognizes my Sonnet Tempo Ultra ATA 133 card, but the driver isn't being loaded at boot.
[11:09] <Ensiferum> or then if i have to set them manually, how to do it
[11:09] <evarlast> regeya: I would boot the CD again, drop to command prompt after it mounts the mount points to /target, chroot to /target, and checkout /boot.  see if there is an initrd image there, and verify that grub is using it.  are you even using grub on a ppc?
[11:09] <Ensiferum> :p
[11:09] <klaym> is it the same as windows crashing?
[11:09] <regeya> evarlast: the installer is using yaboot.
[11:09] <mjt> er it's quite difficult to follow all these discussions going on in parallel...
[11:10] <iapx8088> regeya, so kernel panic root not found?
[11:10] <evarlast> i don't know yaboot well enough to give you good advice.
[11:11] <chillywilly> hmmm, this live cd is running at a really crummy low resolution
[11:11] <chillywilly> and it took forever to boot up
[11:11] <regeya> well, iapx8088, actually it panics because it can't find dev/copnsole. :-}
[11:11] <iapx8088> mh I see
[11:11] <mjt> that's.. problematic
[11:12] <iapx8088> regeya, can't help at once
[11:12] <mjt> looks like it isn't using initrd at all
[11:12] <regeya> I have an idea
[11:12] <chillywilly> 640x480
[11:12] <chillywilly> yuck
[11:12] <mjt> or the initrd isn't set up properly
[11:13] <nicedreams> Anyone know when the Ubuntu / Nvidia problem is going to be fixed?
[11:13] <chillywilly> this is not impressive
[11:13] <topyli> chillywilly: i got that on a box at work too. the real installation is still beautiful, it's a different system
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, which one?
[11:14] <nicedreams> the problem where it hard locks your system
[11:14] <nicedreams> i've googled for over a month
[11:14] <iapx8088> my nvidia drivers are working perfecly
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, never happened
[11:14] <nicedreams> and people have problems with nvidia and ubuntu
[11:14] <nicedreams> can you run open gl games without hard locking the system?
[11:14] <topyli> they do?
[11:14] <chillywilly> this system has nvidia onboard graphics
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, didn't try, glxgears runs fine
[11:14] <EfaistOs> is there a backport of rhythmbox ?
[11:15] <nicedreams> any time you run a real opengl app it locks the system
[11:15] <nicedreams> using the real nvidia drivers though
[11:15] <_slice_> there must be
[11:15] <nicedreams> the ubuntu nvidia doesn't let you play games
[11:15] <_slice_> there's no such thing as the ubuntu nvidia
[11:15] <chillywilly> NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU]
[11:15] <nicedreams> nvidia-glx?
[11:15] <_slice_> it's nvidia's binary driver, same for all
[11:15] <topyli> nicedreams: ubuntu is for hard-working company people only :)
[11:15] <ixion83> what about KDE-Ubuntu ?
[11:15] <nicedreams> topyli, that makes no since
[11:16] <Slaven> wtf?
[11:16] <Chest> is universe & multiverse a Ubuntu thing or an apt-get term?
[11:16] <topyli> nicedreams: no gaming ;)
[11:16] <iapx8088> Chest, ubuntu
[11:16] <Chest> ok
[11:16] <nicedreams> a linux box you can't game on doesn't seem like a good distro then
[11:16] <chillywilly> well I guess I still take a stab at installing Hoary :)
[11:16] <chillywilly> bbiab
[11:16] <nicedreams> i was just wondering if they are going to fix the problem though
[11:17] <nicedreams> or if they even know there is a problem
[11:17] <iapx8088> uh I know why
[11:18] <topyli> nicedreams: you should file a bug. you might have a rare combination of harware since it's working for many others
[11:18] <nicedreams> topyli, i'll file a bug then.  if you google "ubuntu nvidia crash" you'll see a lot of people with the same problem
[11:18] <iapx8088> ahz
[11:18] <iapx8088> I lost my 3d accelleration after the suspend
[11:19] <iapx8088> shit
[11:19] <iapx8088> as I don't play, no problem :)
[11:19] <topyli> nicedreams: then there might be a bug report already. check first, don't make a 20th duplicate :)
[11:19] <nicedreams> topyli, is it in the wiki or main site?
[11:19] <topyli> bugzilla
[11:20] <nicedreams> k
[11:20] <nicedreams> thx
[11:20] <topyli> they do want to know :)
[11:20] <Chest> can someone explain the diff between universe, main, and multiverse?
[11:21] <topyli> Chest: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:21] <Chest> thanks
[11:22] <pvh> How can I synchonize my laptop and desktop in linux?
[11:22] <topyli> nicedreams: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:22] <pvh> I don't want to have to worry about where my email/homework is.
[11:22] <nicedreams> topyli, i found it..  :)
[11:23] <topyli> nicedreams: was just surfing so... ;)
[11:23] <mmoyer> phv, look at rsync
[11:23] <topyli> pvh: i sync my work/home desktops with unison
[11:23] <pvh> mmoyer, topyli: thanks, i'll look at both
[11:23] <pvh> i also would like to mount my ~ on my laptop when it's availalbe
[11:23] <dataw0lf> I'm having a problem with gmplayer.
[11:24] <dataw0lf> mplayer plays video fine, but when I use gmplayer it seems to auto 'fast forward' with no sound.
[11:24] <pvh> er, desktop/~ in laptop/~/desktop
[11:24] <dataw0lf> any ideas ?
[11:24] <pvh> i'm not sure that's even coherant
[11:24] <topyli> pvh: i mount my home box from work over ssh simply with nautilus
[11:24] <tim1> to anybody official from the ubuntu team: i created a wiki page (https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxTag), to ask whether ubuntu might have official presence at LinuxTag 2005, and for users to organize their visit, but i got no feedback, is nobody interested in this?
[11:25] <mjt> is gmplayer supported at all?  Mplayer folks says something in a line with "don't use gmplayer"
[11:25] <pvh> topyli: I'll try it.
[11:25] <jan__> hi
[11:25] <jan__> I have a canon powershot digital camera
[11:25] <_slice_> congratulations
[11:25] <jan__> how can I use it as a mass storage device?
[11:26] <Chest> Can you use apt-get to search/verify if a package is installed?
[11:26] <_slice_> mass being 1gig ?
[11:26] <mjt> if it IS masstorage, you should be able to use it
[11:26] <jan__> I dont't want always to use gtkam ...
[11:26] <_slice_> you can turn the auto open of gtkam off
[11:26] <jan__> because there's no icon on desktop when i put it in
[11:27] <_slice_> yeah
[11:27] <_slice_> it just let's you grab your files off the camera
[11:27] <jan__> so I have to make an entry in fstab?
[11:27] <_slice_> you using normal mode or the ptp mode ?
[11:27] <mjt> ptp?
[11:27] <tim1> jan__: do you use warty or hoary?
[11:27] <jan__> hm ptp I think
[11:28] <jan__> warty @ tim1
[11:28] <jan__> (spricht jemand deutsch?)
[11:28] <tim1> jep ich
[11:28] <jan__> :)
[11:28] <_slice_> i forget what it's called exactly... ptp maybe... it's a file transfer protocol
[11:28] <mjt> so it's not an usb device?
[11:28] <tim1> kann dir aber leider auch nicht helfen
[11:28] <_slice_> canon's own i think
[11:28] <_slice_> yes, it's a usb device
[11:28] <jan__> hmm
[11:28] <_slice_> it's a camera
[11:29] <mjt> (there are some (probably old) cameras that works using serial port)
[11:29] <_slice_> so it's fully technically possible to write to the cf card
[11:29] <jan__> I want to browse in nautilus and view the pictures
[11:29] <jan__> but without using gtkam ...
[11:29] <_slice_> can't you just open nautilus on the folder you transfer the pics too ?
[11:29] <_slice_> grab them off the cam and then browse?
[11:29] <mjt> does it gets recognized as usb mass-storage device? eg, in /proc/bus/usb/devices ?
[11:30] <mjt> (as the first step)
[11:30] <topyli> pvh: run sshd on the desktop, you can connect to it with anything then. nautilus, unison, ssh, sftp
[11:31] <topyli> pvh: i run putty on my phone and i'm home :)
[11:31] <jan__> can't I make a folder eg. /media/camera
[11:31] <_slice_> mjt: yes
[11:31] <jan__> and in fstab /dev/sda#
[11:32] <jan__> but what device do I have to choose in fstab?
[11:32] <_slice_> Seq:  Manufacturer=Canon Inc.
[11:32] <_slice_> Seq:  Product=Canon Digital Camera
[11:32] <_slice_> recognized fine in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[11:32] <jan__> sda is my externel usb storage and not my camera ...
[11:32] <_slice_> jan__: i don't think you need to do that
[11:32] <mjt> heh. now that's a good question for udev/hotplug folks
[11:32] <pvh> topyli: Your phone has putty? Man, that's pimp.
[11:33] <pvh> topyli: phone hacking is so on my todo list.
[11:33] <jan__> _slice_: but what's another method to browse my pictures in nautilus?
[11:33] <mjt> ie, if this usb device is "Canon digital camera", make it in /dev/camera
[11:33] <topyli> pvh: there's putty for symbian. i run nethack too :)
[11:33] <zeff> what kernel are you using, my USB camer has not worked since the the 2.6.6 kernel due to bugs in the USB modules
[11:33] <mjt> which bugs?
[11:33] <_slice_> jan__: well, for sure you can just import the photos and browse the folder you import to....
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: Okay, that's just goofy. Unless you have a screen that can do 80x24
[11:34] <netdur> firefox 1.0 (hoary) doesn't render unicode well, (mozilla works fine)
[11:34] <topyli> pvh: it's an old nokia communicator
[11:34] <mjt> there was some usb breakage in 2.6.8 which was corrected in 2.6.10
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: not familiar with it
[11:34] <topyli> pvh: big screen, full keyboard
[11:34] <_slice_> Linux serenity <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:26:38 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: nice
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: very nice
[11:34] <_slice_> canon s45 works fine
[11:34] <_slice_> warty
[11:34] <zeff> I don't know specifically, have not looked that far but it stopped working a while ago and when searched google found it was not the only one.  It only affects some devices.
[11:35] <mjt> warty kernel contains quite some fixes in usb area i think'
[11:35] <zeff> I have been using an old Knoppix live CD while I wait for 2.6 get sorted out
[11:35] <topyli> pvh: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/9210/ . they sell them for about EUR 100 now, second hand
[11:35] <mjt> and it *should* work with 2.6.10
[11:36] <pvh> topyli: Really? That's worth looking into... I wonder if it would work on my network.
[11:37] <topyli> pvh: it works over the internet, has wap and http browsers and email
[11:37] <zeff> I have not tried 2.6.10 yet but 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are no good for my sony camera
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: No, I meant my cell network. I don't think it will, sadly.
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: I live in the cell-challenged part of th ewor
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: the world.
[11:38] <topyli> pvh: probably not
[11:38] <mjt> jan__: if your /proc/bus/usb/devices entry for your camera lists usb-storage as a driver, it should be available as /dev/sdX1 as msdos filesystem. which X in sdX is really depends, there are ways to make it persistent using udev rules (/etc/udev.d/) but i'm not an expert here
[11:38] <topyli> pvh: it's also not very linux-friendly :(
[11:39] <iapx8088> ok now hibernate and resume works flawlessy
[11:39] <mjt> heh
[11:39] <iapx8088> not bad considering we are on a farly new pc
[11:39] <iapx8088> laptop
[11:39] <Jon> hi all. using the warty livecd. added a network connection using the Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking tool. that worked but as a side-effect I can't spawn any X windows anymore. XFree86.0.log reports 'client X rejected from local host'. Any advice?
[11:39] <iapx8088> xhost -
[11:40] <iapx8088> +
[11:40] <iapx8088> sorrt
[11:40] <jan__> mjt: sdX1 is my external ushb storage (not camera)
[11:40] <iapx8088> said that
[11:40] <iapx8088> I'll go having a couple of drinks
[11:40] <iapx8088> and some chicks
[11:40] <iapx8088> have phun, guys
[11:40] <Jon> xhost was re: me? no dice unfortunately, that client rejected too
[11:40] <Jon> cheers anyway, see you
[11:40] <chillywilly> hey ppl I have ubuntu installed now but still running at that really low res
[11:40] <mjt> i wish linux can hibernate on my via-c3-based system as good as winxp does that...  (c3 processor lacks pse or pse36 support)
[11:41] <iapx8088> mjt here we have a centrino dothan and nvidia adapter and with hoary is doing just fine
[11:41] <chillywilly> how can I setup nvidia w/ ubuntu?
[11:41] <bruce_> Hallo
[11:41] <Jon> hi
[11:41] <iapx8088> bye all
[11:41] <Jon> cya
[11:41] <bruce_> english or german chanel?
[11:41] <darkx> chillywilly, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx i think
[11:42] <chillywilly> darkx: ok
[11:42] <bruce_> how can i change my aplication database?
[11:43] <chillywilly> I don't ever remember setting a root password
[11:43] <chillywilly> during the install
[11:43] <Jon> afaik you didn't
[11:43] <Jon> but your user has sudo accses
[11:43] <bruce_> ;)
[11:43] <Jon> bruce_: repositories?
[11:43] <Jon> bruce_: /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:43] <darkx> if you need root i think you can sudo passwd root
[11:43] <darkx> :x
[11:44] <topyli> pvh: by cell-challenged part of the world do you mean america? the 9210 has a sister, 9290 for americans. same phone, different network
[11:44] <chillywilly> so no root user is the ubuntu way? ;)
[11:44] <pvh> topyli: I live in the Americas, but I'm no American.
[11:44] <darkx> well you can have set the root password if you want
[11:45] <topyli> pvh: yeah, but you don't have gsm?
[11:45] <pvh> topyli: Harrum... Not sure. I'm not much of a cellgeek.
[11:46] <bruce_> @ Jon thx im trying
[11:46] <topyli> pvh: what i know i always have to leave my phone home when i cross the pond :(
[11:46] <Xappe> they've gsm 1800 in the states I think
[11:46] <akurashy> i installed an eggdrop i cant find the config and i cant run it because it says is not root O_o
[11:47] <bruce_> @ jon it's not what i mean... I mean hm not shure if it's called mime type.
[11:47] <Jon> hm I couldn't find anything in faq or wiki for my X auth problem, but I'd be amazed if nobody had suffered before
[11:47] <chillywilly> do I need to configure X to use this nvidia driver just like I do under normal debian?
[11:47] <chillywilly> debian sid that is
[11:47] <Xappe> chilly, yes
[11:48] <bruce_> I wan't to do: open file with other aplication
[11:48] <Slaven> hm.
[11:48] <bruce_> and then i got this error message: Could not add application to the application database
[11:48] <Slaven> how do I get rox icons on *box?
[11:48] <Jon> bruce_: aah I see
[11:49] <bruce_> if i run nautilus under sudo i can do...
[11:49] <bruce_> and it ads my choosen aplication to the right click menu... so next time i can easy chose...
[11:49] <bruce_> but if im not root i can't
[11:49] <Jon> when you run an application on the ubuntu/warty livecd, where does stderr output go? I'd normally check .xsession-errors but it doesn't exist.
[11:50] <Jon> bruce_: sorry, I don't know
[11:51] <unperson> When I try to run mplayer from the command line, it quits before displaying anything and says "Illegal instruction".  Any idea what this means?  The last line of output before that is "Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf", is it just that this file has an error?
[11:52] <unperson> (mainly I'm asking here because this is the mplayer-custom multiverse package)
[11:52] <biezt> how do i edit a text file which can only be edited from the root ?
[11:52] <biezt> which commando to start text editor ?
[11:53] <unperson> biezt, sudo gedit [file]
[11:53] <unperson> At least if you want to edit it in X.
[11:54] <ions> My Mom got sent some stupid video of a chimp peeing in his own mouth.  Problem is it won't work on her Ubuntu install but works fine on my Gentoo install.  Yes, I have installed xine-ui, win32codecs and gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:54] <ions> it's an mpeg
[11:54] <Jon> try running file on it, see if that tells you more about the exact details (e.g. MPEG1,2,4?)
[11:55] <ions> $ file Whyyoushouldneverkissaboy.mpeg
[11:55] <ions> Whyyoushouldneverkissaboy.mpeg: data
[11:55] <bruce_> @ jon i found something http://www.elyps.de/guide.html#changedefaultfiletypeprogram
[11:56] <Jon> ions: ok sounds corrupted. md5sums for gentoo machine copy match the ubuntu machine copy
[11:56] <Jon> ?
[11:56] <ions> yeah it's the same file
[11:56] <ions> I scp'd it over
[11:56] <Jon> I've had scp corrupt stuff before... sorry, no further ideas
[11:57] <ions> I scp'd it from her box to mine and it worked on mine