[10:49] <qwd> I might be wrong but I don't think you can encrypt everything with TrueCrypt on Linux.
[10:49] <Eagleman> qwd Truecrpt has a bootloader
[10:52] <Eagleman> Hmm i do need the if statement to check for a file
[10:53] <schnuffle> Eagleman: just add the then before the rm line
[10:54] <suigeneris> I'm getting /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). /dev/ is mounted
[10:54] <dcarr> irc.perl.org
[10:54] <suigeneris> should I mount /dev/ inside chroot?
[10:54] <Eagleman> schnuffle like this? http://pastebin.com/MAxAxjR4
[10:56] <Eagleman> changed it to before the rm line
[10:56] <Eagleman> ./etc/rc.local: 13: /etc/rc.local: [[: not found
[10:57] <AdvoWork> am i right in thinking netapp nfs isnt a filetype, the netapp is a server or similar and then nfs is the filetype?
[10:57] <varikonniemi> is there a way to enable some encryption for ubuntu one?
[10:58] <mpathy> varikonniemi: Oh.. Also interesting.. +1 :)
[10:59] <varikonniemi> this was discussed back when ubuntu one was introduced, and back then iirc it is encrypted on the server, but not on the client
[10:59] <mpathy> varikonniemi: I just use Ubuntu One and Dropbox for harmless files and itself encrypted files like my KeePass-Database
[10:59] <schnuffle> Eagleman: the then needs to be before the rm line
[11:01] <varikonniemi> mpathy, yeah, but for serious cloud storage you cannot rely on ubuntu to encrypt your data.
[11:01] <schnuffle> Eagleman: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-6.html
[11:01] <YellowGTO> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/285791_10151303546532868_6326156_n.jpg
[11:02] <ikonia> YellowGTO: any reason you're posting that sort of stuff in a support channel ?
[11:03] <YellowGTO> Sorry didnt mean to interrupt all the support you were giving ikonia
[11:03] <ikonia> YellowGTO: you may want to play in #ubuntu-offtopic rather than the support channel please.
[11:03] <mpathy> varikonniemi: Yes. And how about sync an ecryptfs folder?
[11:04] <n1> i have a problem connecting vodafone mobile connect dongle andrunning sakis3gscript if anyone's familiar with it
[11:04] <Eagleman> schnuffle it is like this now: http://pastebin.com/bZ736bZ0
[11:04] <ikonia> n1: you need to say what the probem is
[11:04] <ikonia> problem
[11:06] <n1> iknia when i run the script in terminal the text editor opens as if i doubleclicked the script icon itself
[11:06] <n1> pardon, ikonia
[11:06] <schnuffle> Eagleman: won'T work the expression is tottaly wrong  if [ -e /opt/ts3/ts3server.pid]; then rm /opt/ts3/ts3server.pid; su teamspeak -c "/opt/ts3/ts3server_startscript.sh start"; fi
[11:06] <k1l_> n1: did you make the script executable?
[11:07] <Eagleman> with the ; ?
[11:07] <ikonia> n1: how are you running it
[11:07] <ikonia> n1: give me the exact command you are using
[11:07] <schnuffle> Eagleman:  yes and there'S a space missing before the closing bracket of the expression
[11:07] <k1l_> ikonia: i think there is a chmod +x missing
[11:07] <ikonia> k1l_: we are about to find out
[11:08] <n1> ikonia with this command: +x file.sh
[11:08] <ikonia> n1: that's not going to run the file
[11:08] <ikonia> n1: and that's not a valid ocmmand "+x" is not a valid ocmmand
[11:08] <ikonia> command even
[11:08] <n1>  pardon chmod +x
[11:08] <ikonia> n1: that's not going to run the script
[11:08] <vectorshelve> how can I remove the left side unity panel from leftside of my ubuntu desktop and use the other option of having a task bar on the top?
[11:08] <ikonia> that will just change the permissions on the script
[11:08] <schnuffle> Eagleman: you should update your shell knowledge if you do such tasks more often. just check the link I gave you
[11:09] <n1> ikonia you mean this : cmd chmod +x doesn't execute the script?
[11:09] <ikonia> n1: correct
[11:09] <n1> ikonia tried with ./ as well
[11:09] <ikonia> n1: so if you do ./scriptname what happens
[11:09] <Eagleman> schnuffle i rather dont do it but sometimes i have to, also which space is missing i dont see any
[11:10] <Eagleman> if [ -e /opt/ts3/ts3server.pid]; then rm /opt/ts3/ts3server.pid; su teamspeak -c "/opt/ts3/ts3server_startscript.sh start"; fi
[11:10] <schnuffle> Eagleman: if [ -e /opt/ts3/ts3server.pid ]; <- now there'S a space before the bracket which was missing
[11:10] <n1> ikonia when i pres (in the window that pops up) "run", again it opens the script in the txt editor
[11:10] <ElaMiNaTo> Is there a list of supported network cards for ubuntu 12.04 ?
[11:10] <varikonniemi> mpathy, that works, but it needs ecryptfs setup
[11:10] <n1> ikonia. the extension is .sh, forgot to mention
[11:11] <ikonia> n1: press ? what are you talking about
[11:11] <ikonia> n1: 1.) open a terminal. 2.) change directory to where the script is 3.) type ./the_name_of_the_script
[11:11] <Eagleman> aha thanks
[11:12] <Eagleman> Is it fail proof now, i dont want it to get stuck at booting
[11:13] <nicekiwi> how do i get root access from the guest account?
[11:13] <n1> ikonia is it enough if I ./ and than grab/drop the file to the terminal and press enter?
[11:13] <n1> ikonia than the whole path is listed
[11:13] <ikonia> no
[11:13] <ikonia> n1: do exactly what I told you
[11:13] <Eagleman> i use sudo su, but some people think it is wrong
[11:13] <varikonniemi> nicekiwi, wiuth password
[11:13] <n1> ikonia thx will try
[11:13] <varikonniemi> or by booting and going to rescue mode
[11:14] <schnuffle> Eagleman: failsafe? no and why don'T you test it before? what means failsafe in that context. failsafe would be to start teamspeak with a proper init script and setup a monitoring that cares about restart when tramspeak crashes
[11:14] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, how with password?
[11:14] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, the SU and SUDO commands do not work
[11:14] <varikonniemi> sudo su
[11:14] <varikonniemi> oh, then i have no clue
[11:15] <nicekiwi> ah..
[11:15] <nicekiwi> awkward..
[11:15] <alakoo> what message does the terminal give you, if any?
[11:15] <nicekiwi> how do I reset my themes? delete some config files somewhere?
[11:15] <nicekiwi> alakoo, me?
[11:15] <ElaMiNaTo> I need a new network card. How do I find out my if the new nwtwork card is compatible with 12.04 ?
[11:16] <alakoo> nicekiwi: ye
[11:16] <varikonniemi> some people say it is sudo su - but idk
[11:16] <ThinkT510> sudo -i
[11:16] <nicekiwi> alakoo, su: Authentication failure
[11:16] <Eagleman> schnuffle thats how how teamspeak was created, if i run it as root everything is fine becuase the ts3.pid file belongs to the root user, but when i run it as teamspeak and my server crashes it is unable to delete the fail when trying to start teamspeak
[11:16] <varikonniemi> yeah you must be normal user
[11:16] <varikonniemi> guest is not on sudoers list
[11:16] <_cronus_> nicekiwi, you can't
[11:16] <nicekiwi> dang it..
[11:16] <nicekiwi> makes perfect sense.. but all the same
[11:17] <Eagleman> There is no init script either, i've used it before but that also failed after some time
[11:17] <schnuffle> Eagleman:  which distribution and which teamspeak version?
[11:17] <Eagleman> ubuntu 12.04 server ts 3
[11:17] <varikonniemi> nicekiwi, try crtl-alt-1
[11:17] <varikonniemi> and login with root pw
[11:17] <Eagleman> its not in the repository's
[11:17] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, dosnt work either
[11:17] <Eagleman> only version 2 is
[11:18] <varikonniemi> nicekiwi, what goes wrong?
[11:18] <schnuffle> Eagleman: http://www.awerner.homeip.net/doku.php?id=it-artikel:teamspeak-3-server-for-linux-init-start-stop-script-for-debian-ubuntu
[11:18] <_cronus_> nicekiwi, ubuntu won't grant root privileges to guest accounts
[11:18] <varikonniemi> nicekiwi, have you tried to boot into rescue mode?
[11:18] <zetheroo1> how do you change the paper size on a printer?
[11:18] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, i guess i can do it form my own account. Just when I rebooted my machine I lost all theme/icon/window manager support and I dont know howto fix it. It all works fine in the guest account though
[11:19] <zetheroo1> all I have is 'letter'
[11:19] <varikonniemi> nicekiwi, ah, then just boot recovery and failsafe x graphics
[11:19] <Eagleman> schnuffle thats also starts as root
[11:19] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, hmm k... brb
[11:20] <Eagleman> "/opt/ts3/ts3server_startscript.sh" is also an sort of init.d file
[11:20] <varikonniemi> first choose recovery, then from menu something like safe mnode for x.org or sumthing
[11:20] <schnuffle> Eagleman: http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthread.php/68553-upstart-init-scripts
[11:20] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/ZssHXaHd
[11:20] <varikonniemi> from said menu you can also login as root
[11:21] <varikonniemi> to gain acces to your hdd:s select networking, and then root shell, the networking support will auto mount your system
[11:21] <Eagleman> schnuffle they are all custom made, the only problem i have with the normal start stop file is the .pid file after a crash but thats solved now
[11:22] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, hmm.. but even when I get access, how do i fix the graphics? the Xserver still runs fine, but i have no window borders or theme or icon theme etc
[11:22] <schnuffle> Eagleman: just some hints. I prefer having init script for upstart/sys v for services that I run on my system and custom made isnt't bad
[11:23] <varikonniemi> create new user
[11:23] <varikonniemi> copy/paste
[11:23] <Eagleman> i know, but the last init.d script i ran also caused me some problems
[11:23] <nicekiwi> varikonniemi, hmm.. i guess..
[11:23] <Eagleman> Also upstart is new and i dont have much knowledge of it
[11:23] <Prajyot> Help Me Please
[11:23] <gordonjcp> !help | Prajyot
[11:24] <l-b> hello. I have a strange problem with ubuntu's byobu... the bottom list of sessions marks the currently active one usually. but for me, it marks all sessions up to the currently active one instead. :(
[11:26] <sasuke> hi guys
[11:27] <sasuke> can anyone tell me how to use beep cmd. when i use "beep" i didnt get any sounds
[11:28] <ThinkT510> sasuke: man beep to the rescue
[11:28] <_cronus_> sasuke, you have to modprobe pcspkr first
[11:30] <sasuke> _cronus_, i did it. i used this cmd "lsmod| grep pcspkr " This is the  o/p               12718  0
[11:30] <Eagleman> What is runlevel  ! ?  stop on runlevel [!2345]
[11:30] <sasuke> _cronus_, i did it. i used this cmd "lsmod| grep pcspkr " This is the  o/p   pcspkr            12718  0
[11:31] <sasuke> ThinkT510, I am new to linux. I read man pages , but i didnt get any thing. what i understood is its giving some options in man pages
[11:32] <varikonniemi> ThinkT510, q@varikonniemi-desktop:~$ man beep
[11:32] <varikonniemi> No manual entry for beep
[11:33] <sasuke> varikonniemi, you need to install beep first
[11:33] <Prajyot> I just installed Windows 7 and had previously Ubuntu 12.04 now whenever i open my desktop it directly boots me into windows
[11:33] <l-b> Prajyot: Windows might not play nice with the master boot record Ubuntu set up
[11:34] <arand> !grub | Prajyot
[11:34] <varikonniemi> i do not seem to have a pc speaker installed
[11:35] <varikonniemi> Prajyot, you need to reinstall grub
[11:35] <varikonniemi> windows just plain overwrites MBR
[11:35] <Prajyot> how
[11:35] <varikonniemi> google
[11:35] <Pici> !google | varikonniemi
[11:35] <sasuke> varikonniemi, try this cmd "modprobe pcspkr " and "lsmod | grep pcspkr".
[11:35] <markinfo> Hi. I have downloaded wine package (wine1.5-i386) from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa/+packages   but there is inside dependence on wine1.5:any (= 1.5.15-0ubuntu1)   I can not find that package.
[11:35] <varikonniemi> http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm first google result AKA im feeling lucky
[11:36] <rekenerd> Prajyot: use EasyBCD software of windows
[11:36] <rekenerd> Prajyot: http://www.ehow.com/how_4900122_use-easybcd-windows-xp.html
[11:36] <Prajyot> i used it but didn't helped me
[11:36] <arand> Prajyot: Follow first link of ubottu's message I gave you above.
[11:36] <Pici> Prajyot: This would be the proper Ubuntu related help page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[11:37] <Prajyot> okay
[11:37] <arand> i.e. ^ the link Pici just gave :)
[11:37] <black_puppydog> okay, for the lack of a better channel for this:
[11:37] <black_puppydog>  I just read about the "new" send/receive feature of btrfs and asked myself if there are any apps in development to use this feature for fast backups?
[11:37] <varikonniemi> sasuke, it said: pcspkr                 12702  0
[11:37] <Prajyot> i don't have a ubuntu cd
[11:38] <Prajyot> i just installed it from wubi
[11:39] <sasuke> varikonniemi, yes. isn't it the way to check
[11:39] <arand> black_puppydog: #btrfs might know more (I have no idea).
[11:39] <varikonniemi> Prajyot, there is "the terminal way"
[11:39] <varikonniemi> sasuke, i have no idea :D just tried the "beep" command and heard nothing so i assumed i have no spkr
[11:39] <Pici> Prajyot: so, you installed Ubuntu within windows and then reinstalled Windows?
[11:40] <Prajyot> i had Windows XP first
[11:40] <varikonniemi> that is a nomination for darwin awards
[11:40] <Prajyot> i just deleted it and yesterday i installed windows 7
[11:41] <arand> Prajyot: Then you have deleted Ubuntu as well.
[11:41] <varikonniemi> if it was on same partition
[11:41] <rekenerd> arand: not necessary, there are some ways.
[11:41] <Prajyot> no it was running fine before i installed windows 7 and i have ubuntu files in C: drive
[11:42] <sasuke> varikonniemi, i heard that it will make beep sound when a process is completed. Even i am not sure how it works :D ... Working on that :)
[11:42] <varikonniemi> tried beep -f 500 should beep at 500hz
[11:43] <arand> Prajyot: But w7 was installed on C: right? If so, that is *likely* to have deleted it...
[11:43] <varikonniemi> Prajyot, the win7 installer overwrote the XP bootloader, and did not care that there was one extra menu entry...
[11:44] <varikonniemi> by knowing what the menu entry is wubi is making you could manually add it and boot
[11:44] <Prajyot> yes but i deleted win xp files from ubuntu only and ubuntu was working great from a month and from yesterday its not working
[11:44] <Prajyot> What should i do now
[11:45] <varikonniemi> sudden random failure means you did something to make it happen or your hw is damaged
[11:46] <rekenerd> Prajyot: your problem is that after installing win7, you are not able to boot in ubuntu. Is it so?
[11:46] <Prajyot> yes
[11:46] <varikonniemi> rekenerd, he said he was able to boot but suddenly then not
[11:46] <Dragonster82> Hey what's up all!
[11:46] <Dragonster82> Sup all!
[11:47] <varikonniemi> so everything i said can be ignored, i only wish you said it worked in the beginning, in the beginnging :D
[11:47] <rekenerd> Prajyot: please clarify, you are not able to boot in ubuntu OR it restarts after booting in?
[11:47] <Prajyot> not able to boot
[11:48] <ItISShowDOwn>  /join #dutch
[11:48] <rekenerd> so you've to use some windows software to make boot entry for ubuntu.
[11:49] <MonkeyDust> itilious  type /join #ubuntu-nl
[11:49] <rekenerd> Prajyot: it is perfectly fine. Your ubuntu is safe, only problem is that its boot entry is lost.
[11:50] <Prajyot> what should i do now?
[11:50] <rekenerd> Prajyot: Even I installed win7 over ubuntu 12.04 on my frnd's laptop.
[11:51] <Prajyot> now.....
[11:51] <sasuke> can anyone tell me how to use beep cmd. when i use "beep" i didnt get any sounds
[11:51] <rekenerd> Prajyot: I used easyBCD only to make boot entry, even I succeeded after some tries.
[11:52] <Prajyot> thanks
[11:52] <OerHeks> !grub
[11:52] <varikonniemi> Prajyot, you need someone who knows how wubi isntalls ubuntu, and get the correct boot parameter for your windows nt loader
[11:52] <vitimiti> (·_·)/
[11:53] <varikonniemi> yes, paid suport is always available, good luck in finding such specialised support from community.
[11:54] <_cronus_> sasuke, just running beep is enough for me. It beeps
[11:54] <_cronus_> sasuke, the only thing I did was to load pcspkr, but as you said you already have...
[11:55] <varikonniemi> i have had trivial problems and got no answer on this channel, so don't give up :)
[11:55] <Dragonster82> What problem and what help do you need?
[11:55] <Dragonster82> I might be of help.
[11:55] <zetheroo> how do I add the A4 page size to my printer properties?
[11:56] <Dragonster82> I believe you can google that..
[11:56] <varikonniemi> vitimiti has a problem of finding the wubi boot entry for windows
[11:56] <Dragonster82> Oh?
[11:56] <vitimiti> what?
[11:56] <rekenerd> http://askubuntu.com/questions/139966/how-can-i-add-an-entry-for-ubuntu-to-the-windows-7-boot-menu
[11:56] <varikonniemi> for ubuntu*
[11:56] <rekenerd> 1st answer
[11:56] <Dragonster82> Well there you go
[11:56] <Dragonster82> xD
[11:56] <sasuke> _cronus: so it wont work on my laptop
[11:56] <vitimiti> varikonniemi, i don't know what that is... sorry
[11:57] <_cronus_> sasuke, maybe check if it is managed through alsamixer
[11:58] <Dragonster82> Hey just a question, who does C++ programming here?
[11:58] <_cronus_> sasuke, but if you cant find a way to make it work you could use mplayer with some mp3
[11:58] <varikonniemi> rekenerd, you sure that works with wubi?
[11:59] <rekenerd> varikonniemi: I think it should. Tried with wubi a time ago
[11:59] <varikonniemi> vitimiti, then try installing easy bcd
[11:59] <_cronus_> sasuke, i can't think of a reason it shouldn't work, but still i cant think of one why it doesn't
[12:00] <vitimiti> varikonniemi, i don't know what you are talking about, sincerely, my ubuntu works properly and i don't use windows, i don't know what is going on
[12:00] <sasuke> _cronus_, ok thanks
[12:01] <varikonniemi> lol, sorry, it was Prajyot who had the problem, dont know why i catched your name and started refering to it
[12:01] <vitimiti> lol
[12:02] <rekenerd> varikonniemi, vitimiti : I think, this is solution for Prajyot.
[12:02] <varikonniemi> yes :D
[12:04] <Dragonster82> Hey do anybody know how to fix minecraft's black screen problem?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:05] <Dragonster82> Hey blueskaj
[12:05] <Dragonster82> Do you know how to fix minecraft's black screen problem?
[12:05] <Sidewinder> Mornin' BluesKaj
[12:06] <Dragonster82> It seems to be having trouble to initialize the glx
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hey Dragonster82 , Sidewinder
[12:07] <Dragonster82> Hey blueskaj
[12:07] <Dragonster82> I need help with minecraft
[12:07] <Dragonster82> It has something to do with ubuntu,
[12:08] <drag0nius> how would i recover few files recently (last 15 min) deleted?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Dragonster82, I'm not much of a gamer
[12:08] <jrib> !recover | drag0nius
[12:10] <Dragonster82> Blues
[12:10] <Dragonster82> But it has something to do with the GLX or something
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> Dragonster82  over 250 people in #minecraft, better ask there
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ok Dragonster82 , well describe your graphics card , driver m and what you've done so far
[12:15] <dyd> guys when i turn on ubuntu i get this error: unable to mount device... press s to skip
[12:16] <valnour> dyd: have you made changes to your fstab?
[12:16] <dr_willis> what device dyd?
[12:16] <valnour> you may have a network device or removable drive listed there that isn't connected
[12:16] <dyd> valnour, no, I installed ntfs-config and set it to mount another partition
[12:16] <dyd> but then i removed it
[12:16] <valnour> that's it
[12:16] <dyd> and formatted the partition
[12:16] <AdvoWork> is there anything faster than using nfs mount for backing up purposes?
[12:17] <dr_willis> !fstab
[12:17] <dyd> dr_willis, thanks
[12:17] <valnour> dyd: I suspect something is lingering in fstab
[12:17] <suigeneris> Error, some other host already uses address <IP_ADDRESS>. <--- why am I getting this?
[12:17] <dyd> valnour, thank you, i'll check it
[12:18] <awestroke> suigeneris: that is impossible to know without any kind of context or explanation what you are trying to accomplish and what commands you are running
[12:18] <MonkeyDust> suigeneris  what are you doing?
[12:19] <suigeneris> MonkeyDust: I have a dedicated server and am creating VPS's
[12:19] <MonkeyDust> suigeneris  there's also #ubuntu-server
[12:19] <dyd> have a nice day
[12:25] <_cronus_> AdvoWork, what do you mean by faster?
[12:29] <AdvoWork> _cronus_, just looking for some kind of fast method for mounting a location and backing up to it
[12:31] <Dragonster82> Okay
[12:31] <Dragonster82> I need help guys, Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[12:31] <Dragonster82> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[12:32] <Dragonster82> Anybody here?
[12:33] <wols> Dragonster82: pastebin your Xorg.0.log
[12:33] <[twisti]> why doesnt ubuntu use mysqld_safe to start mysql ?
[12:36] <MonkeyDust> [twisti]  it's in the repos, you can install it
[12:36] <[twisti]> even when installed, its still not what ubuntu starts
[12:36] <[twisti]> in fact it comes with mysql-commons i think
[12:37] <[twisti]> but the upstart job calls mysqld directly
[12:37] <[twisti]> and it seems to not be enough to just change it in the upstart file
[12:40] <suigeneris> update-grub2  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). <--- why am I getting this? I'm in chroot
[12:40] <rumpe1> suigeneris, have you mounted /dev to the chroot?
[12:41] <Omar> Hello
[12:41] <suigeneris> rumpe1: tried that too. I got mount -o bind /dev/  mount: special device udev does not exist
[12:42] <rumpe1> suigeneris, from within the chroot or from outside?
[12:42] <Omar> I have an issue with TMG auth with ubuntu any solutions ???
[12:42] <wols> suigeneris: you need to do that before your chroot and you need to run the full command, not just part
[12:42] <auronandace> !rootirc | ifk
[12:43] <wols> suigeneris: mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[12:44] <suigeneris> wols: I still get the same error
[12:44] <ceezer> what's the recommended practice for recompiling the ubuntu kernel with degbug options enabled?
[12:44] <ceezer> s/degbug/debug
[12:44] <kyrix> talking about chroot. is there "something" like chroot that allows me fake a mount, say, /opt/fakemount, that only is visible/writable for one process?
[12:44] <wols> ceezer: what debug options?
[12:45] <Omar> I need ur argent support
[12:45] <ant_> kyrix, why isn't chroot enough?
[12:45] <kyrix> ant_, well, i don't want to change the root.
[12:45] <hateball> !details | Omar
[12:46] <kyrix> ant_, more like change this directory /opt/directory to point to /opt/thisdirectory for this process only.
[12:46] <ant_> the only thing I can think of is mounting with permissions for a specific user. Nothing per-process comes to mind other than selinux
[12:46] <iceroot> kyrix: only with chroot or apparmor i guess
[12:46] <ant_> selinux and apparmor were made to restrict access per-process
[12:46] <kyrix> iceroot, so i would have to chroot, then mount the rest of the system, except that folder that I want to fake.
[12:47] <ant_> kyrix, probably mount to a new point, then chroot the process you want to start
[12:47] <iceroot> kyrix: chroot the process, not the complete system
[12:47] <wols> suigeneris: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repairrestorereinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[12:49] <ceezer> wols: KDBG
[12:50] <ceezer> wols: sorry, KGDB
[12:51] <wols> ceezer: usually one uses kernel-package and I dounno how kgdb is activated (won't you need a kernel patch?) but you can est your own gcc options of course when you run it
[12:51] <Omar> @ubottu i am using ubuntu 12.04  and when i try to install the updates i got error with proxy auth even after applying the internet annoumyous still fail to download the updates with the same error i think if there any kind if TMG client that i can install it may solve my problem ??
[12:51] <ceezer> wols: yes, it'll require a recompile, i was just wondering what best practices are for rolling your own kernel.
[12:52] <wols> ceezer: as I said: kernel package. which gives you shiny nice .deb of your special kernel which works with all the normal stuff like grub. update-initramfs, etc
[12:52] <auronandace> !mainline
[12:52] <wols> Omar: ubottu is a bot. what is a TMG client?
[12:52] <wols> auronandace: won't help him. mainline kernels have no kgdb
[12:52] <auronandace> wols: ahh, thanks
[12:53] <Omar> I need to update my os throug proxy what is the requriment ??
[12:55] <suigeneris> wols: grub-install /dev/sda1  rm: cannot remove `/boot/grub/915resolution.mod': Read-only file system
[12:56] <Eagleman> How di i run all entries from my crontab right away?
[12:56] <Eagleman> instead of changing the timers
[12:56] <wols> suigeneris: the error is pretty obvious no? you need to remount / or /boot to rw from ro before you chroot
[12:56] <ifk> how do i configure say command
[12:56] <ifk> how do i configure say command
[12:56] <ifk> jfd
[12:57] <suigeneris> wols: every line from mount output says rw
[12:59] <Eagleman> How do i run all entries from my crontab in one time and instant?
[13:06] <nibbier> Eagleman: set system time long enough into the future?
[13:06] <dr_willis> does seem counter to what one normally does with cron. ;)
[13:07] <Eagleman> nibbier no its not that
[13:07] <nibbier> Eagleman: just crontab -l| awk 'foo' | xargs bash
[13:07] <Eagleman> i want every line that is in my crontab to execute NOW
[13:08] <Eagleman> just execute everything in crontab with a command
[13:08] <Omar> So no one can help me ?
[13:09] <Pici> Eagleman: Theres no one command that can do that.
[13:09] <Eagleman> ok
[13:09] <dr_willis> Omar:  all ive ever seen done is enter the proxy info in network manager, or the synaptic settings and itt works
[13:09] <wols> Omar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[13:11] <Omar> Yes dr_willis its working with every thing but failed to update
[13:12] <wols> Omar: use apt-get to update. what is the error message(s)?
[13:13] <Omar> Failed to auth with poxcy server
[13:13] <pauser> hello, im still having the slow cursor problem. alway when i activate the wireless card it becomes slow just like the old slow pcs. any idea what could be the problem  ?
[13:13] <awestroke> pork serverz
[13:14] <Eagleman> ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
[13:15] <Eagleman> Where can i see how and why my usb disk crashed?
[13:15] <dr_willis> hd issue, or fs issue, dmesg may show more info Eagleman
[13:15] <BenJ2310> need some help installing #ubuntu on an android "wifi and tv cloud stick" any takers?
[13:16] <pauser> Eagleman: /var/crash/ mabey
[13:17] <Eagleman> dr_willis Oct 10 23:07 dmesg
[13:18] <dr_willis> hmm?
[13:18] <Eagleman> nothing in the dmesg file, it did not changed sincen oct 10
[13:18] <varikonniemi> why do i have a chinese language pack installed and it cannot be removed via gnome-language?
[13:18] <dr_willis> dmesg command normallly spits out several hundred lines...
[13:18] <Eagleman> syslog shows more info
[13:19] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/nLdQjZm0
[13:21] <wols> Eagleman: is sde a WD harddisk?
[13:22] <Eagleman> i think so
[13:22] <Eagleman> ./dev/sdd1       459G  853M  435G   1% /media/backups/wd500gb
[13:22] <Eagleman> ./dev/sdb1       2.7T  409G  2.2T  16% /media/harddisks/media
[13:22] <Eagleman> ./dev/sde1       459G  853M  435G   1% /media/backups/wd500gb
[13:22] <Eagleman> its mounted double :S
[13:22] <hualet> hello everybody, how can i install gst-launch for ubuntu?
[13:23] <Eagleman> Ok that is solved, now i have no idea why it crashed
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> hualet  if it's in the repos, use apt-get or the software center
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> hualet  it's called rygel-gst-launch
[13:24] <hualet> MonkeyDust, ok , i'll try
[13:24] <wols> MonkeyDust: how do you know?
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> !info rygel-gst-launch
[13:24] <wols> MonkeyDust: it's not
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> oops, i'm in 12.10, my mistake
[13:25] <dr_willis> ;) cutting edge
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> it may not be in 12.04
[13:25] <wols> MonkeyDust: read the package description more carefully
[13:25] <wols> MonkeyDust: it is
[13:25] <wols> hualet: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gst-launch&mode=exactfilename&suite=precise&arch=any
[13:26] <hualet> wols, ok, let me check
[13:26] <Eagleman> gzip: stdout: Read-only file system
[13:26] <Eagleman> But it just wrotes config files to it :S
[13:27] <Nickeeh> I have a package that is rather unhelpful, and I'd like to create a "debug" version of that package and install that (just the package but with debugging symbols). How can I do this?
[13:27] <varikonniemi> http://imgur.com/4Anql i have this chinese language shown in the list, yet it is not installed/uninstallable, what to do?
[13:28] <Eagleman> Oct 15 15:25:58 eagleman kernel: [404242.744035] usb 2-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 5
[13:28] <Eagleman> Oct 15 15:25:58 eagleman kernel: [404242.751257] sd 6:0:0:0: [sde] Unhandled error code
[13:28] <Eagleman> Why is this happening?
[13:28] <hualet> wols, thank you ,it works :-)
[13:28] <wols> Nickeeh: yes
[13:29] <DarsVaeda> hi, there is a method to have ipsec in the native vpn app, how do I add this again?
[13:30] <mattia_ubuntu> tell me how to configure xchat for irc channel for ubuntu - it?
[13:30] <dalton2345> xchat is configured already for ubuntu servers
[13:32] <Eagleman> How did my UUID changed?
[13:34] <Eagleman> Now my drive disconnected :S, i am pretty sure it is still attached
[13:34] <Eagleman>  lshw -C disk returns nothing
[13:34] <_cronus_> DarsVaeda, install network-manager-strongswan
[13:35] <DarsVaeda> thx I'll try
[13:36] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/EW31V40J
[13:36] <dalton2345> i'm having problem with my drive also but only in windows which is very weird
[13:38] <_cronus_> Eagleman, maybe your drive is failing
[13:38] <Eagleman> last smart status said it has passed the test
[13:39] <Eagleman> but i have no idea what is going on now, its not even attached, but i am sure it is
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Eagleman, did you use sudo ?
[13:40] <Eagleman> I am already root
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Eagleman, what sudo fdisk -l , tell you?>
[13:41] <Eagleman> Why should i use sudo?
[13:41] <Eagleman> nothing about my usb drive
[13:41] <BluesKaj> ok try lsusb
[13:41] <deb> hi how can i watch silverlight contents?
[13:42] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/biJA2WWj
[13:42] <Eagleman> !silverlight
[13:42] <_cronus_> Eagleman, can you try the disk on another machine?
[13:42] <Eagleman> i am remote at the moment
[13:43] <deb> Eagleman, already done, it doesnt work
[13:43] <_cronus_> Eagleman, sorry, missed that...
[13:43] <dr_willis> deb if they are using any type of 'drm' most likely it wont work
[13:43] <Eagleman> havent told it so, nothing to apologize
[13:44] <varikonniemi> ok, so i have troubleshooted so far that locale -a gives all the wanted localesa, plus the two chinese ones
[13:44] <deb> but before i could watch it thanks to moonlight
[13:44] <varikonniemi> how to uninstall chinese locales via command line since they do not show up in locale window?
[13:45] <Eagleman> So what more can i do from remote?
[13:46] <deb> dr_willis, and why does it take ages to load the firefox addons page???
[13:46] <g0th> hi
[13:46] <g0th> how can I bind the "move to workspace right" entry in the menu to a keybinding? e.g. ctrl + shift + right?
[13:46] <g0th> I have set something similar in keybindings in system settings, but it doesn't work
[13:47] <g0th> when I move a window to the right it does so (I can see how the window moves) but at the last moment (when the window "arrives") it vannishes and goes back to where it started
[13:47] <Eagleman> reboot didnt help either,
[13:47] <g0th> I use compiz/unity
[13:47] <bkc_> deb: not going to be the "don't use that, use this" kinda guy... but firefox has so many problems that the loading time of the addon page is the least of it's problems :)
[13:47] <g0th> If I click on the menu entry it works
[13:48] <_cronus_> Eagleman, does lsusb show the device?
[13:48] <g0th> but that's too annoying/slow
[13:48] <Eagleman> no
[13:48] <Eagleman> So what could be the issue?
[13:48] <deb> bkc_, not going to be but u were... and no solution fore me anyway...
[13:49] <_cronus_> Eagleman, neither as root?
[13:49] <Eagleman> i am root
[13:49] <bkc_> deb: sorry about that, I ain't going to be* ;)
[13:49] <dalton2345> i never made silverlight working on ubuntu
[13:49] <Eagleman> root@eagleman:/home/robin# lsusb
[13:49] <tgary> DaemonicApathy: I installed ccsm and found the option, but compiz doesn't seems to be running. How can I start it?/leave
[13:49] <dalton2345> moonlight never worked
[13:50] <OerHeks> deb it is known that moonlight doesn't work anymore, for moths now, if you find a solution, please let us know.
[13:50] <OerHeks> *months
[13:50] <deb> ah ok
[13:50] <deb> OerHeks, sorry, i didnt know that...
[13:50] <_cronus_> Eagleman, the output of lsusb is empty?
[13:50] <Eagleman> no
[13:51] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/Gg5dCKLd
[13:51] <deb> OerHeks, and ive being lookin up for a solution for days... but it doesnt mention it anywhere
[13:51] <Eagleman> deb run a virtual windows system and watch it in there
[13:51] <deb> OerHeks, so you guys are officially saying for the moment we are on hiatus about the silverlight issue?
[13:51] <Eagleman> or ask the website to serve flash content
[13:52] <rigid> i still have some trouble with packaging & libbabl. I installed http://packages.debian.org/sid/libbabl-dev + deps using "dpkg --install <filename>" and my debian/control file contains "Build-Depends: [...], libbabl-dev (>= 0.1.4)" and "Depends: [...], libbabl (>= 0.1.4)" but still i get "dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0"
[13:52] <deb> Eagleman, i thought about that, would it work with WINE and silverlight regular plug-in?
[13:52] <rigid> does anyone know what could be wrong?
[13:52] <Eagleman> i dont know about winte deb
[13:53] <Eagleman> _cronus_ have you seen it?
[13:53] <OerHeks> deb yes, silverlight/moonlight is old news.
[13:54] <dr_willis> netflix uses silverlight dont it? that  wont work in wine last i looked
[13:54] <deb> OerHeks, ok thanks... is there an official ubuntu blog with topics updated daily or weekly? i'd like to read what they say about it there...?
[13:54] <louiemat> can anyone tell me if Adult Lens can be installed on ubuntu 12.10 and work?
[13:55] <_cronus_> Eagleman, it seems like hardware fault to me, i'm afraid
[13:56] <_cronus_> Eagleman, it either somehow someone unplugged it, or the usb controller of the disk is faulty
[13:56] <SeHoon> halo.
[13:57] <SeHoon> hey  buddy.
[13:57] <_cronus_> Eagleman, judging from the write error you sent earlier, probably for latter
[13:57] <OerHeks> deb, the last tim i tried, was this solution >  http://blog.mbirgin.com/?c=page&ID=326&t=howtoinstallmoonlightsilverlightonubuntu   but it doesn't work, i cannot find docs about moonlight stopping support for FF/Chrome
[13:58] <Eagleman> latter?
[13:58] <davidcalle> louiemat, it will work in about ten minutes
[13:58] <_cronus_> Eagleman, the usb controller of the disk isn't working properly
[13:58] <bamboz> !list
[13:59] <_cronus_> Eagleman, that's the reason I asked you to plug it in another machine earlier
[13:59] <louiemat> davidcalle what do you mean ?
[13:59] <davidcalle> louiemat, I've just asked Launchpad to build a Quantal version.
[14:00] <Eagleman> _cronus_ ok will do it at home then
[14:03] <louiemat> davidcalle - I'm a newbe can you explain what you mean by Launchpad building a quantal version
[14:04] <_cronus_> Eagleman, btw, anachron -fnd may help with cron jobs
[14:05] <simplew> i have installed kde in ubuntu and now the synaptic window appears with TOO BIG fonts, how can this be fixed?
[14:07] <Hawkmoon> deb, have you tried the old stable version 2.4?
[14:09] <michealPW> Empathy is weird :|
[14:10] <davidcalle> louiemat, oh sorry about the jargon, anyway, the answer to your question is yes, I just needed to make it available for Quantal users (I've done it right now).
[14:11] <bamboz> ciao
[14:11] <bamboz> list
[14:11] <bamboz> !list
[14:13] <dr_willis> no list here...
[14:14] <louiemat> davidcalle thank you for you quick response
[14:15] <davidcalle> louiemat, no problem!
[14:15] <LarrysDesk> Hi.  I'm building a new Ubuntu 12 box today to replace a v10 box.  On the old box, the hard drive has a /boot partition that's formatted as ext2.  Does v12's /boot partition sstill have to be ext2, or can it be ext4?
[14:16] <bazhang> LarrysDesk, it can be ext4
[14:16] <Hawkmoon> it can be ext4 as far as i'm aware
[14:16] <kd7jwc> you can amke it either but it doesnt need the journaling of ext4
[14:16] <bazhang> just not btrfs iirc
[14:16] <kd7jwc> ext2 is efficient for it
[14:17] <LarrysDesk> bazhang: Thanks.  Is that 'official' now?  Iirc -- and it's been awhile -- the old official advice was to use ext2 or it would eat puppies ...
[14:18] <Hawkmoon> why do you need ext4? 2 is great. there is nothing wrong with 2
[14:18] <bazhang> LarrysDesk, ext4 is fine, I've used it on /boot for several years now
[14:19] <Hawkmoon> yeah i've been using ext4 since 2009 and havent had a problem with it beeing on /boot
[14:19] <bazhang> LarrysDesk, the point I was making, and this may no longer hold true, was that previously one could not use btrfs on /boot . that could well be passed now, though
[14:22] <louiemat> davidcalle - could I just try to see if it woks as of yet - or will it be built
[14:27] <hejiann> Is there a command just like the "yum list" in Fedora?
[14:27] <wols> what does yum list do?
[14:28] <hejiann> wols: "yum list" will list all the packages with name,version,install status
[14:28] <michealPW> Argh Empathy is weird. How do I disable these Join/Leave notifications?
[14:28] <michealPW> It's spamming me with join/leave notifications :|
[14:29] <wols> hejiann: all installed packages or all available (in repos) packages?
[14:29] <hejiann> wols: yes
[14:29] <louiemat> FloodBot1 - can u please tell me how to display Lens that are activated in ubuntu 12.10
[14:29] <wols> hejiann: this is not a question you can answer with "yes" or "no". notice the "or" in there
[14:29] <wols> all installed (and formerly installed) packages are shown with dpkg -l
[14:30] <bazhang> louiemat, #ubuntu+1 for 12.10
[14:30] <tdeuling> hi @ all, i've running a linux mint 12 and it doesn't boot anymore.. :( i can reach the recovery shell, but how can i identify what's wrong with my system?  in the morning all works fine, then my internet-connection or something else was slow-down, and i restartet my computer - and now i doesn't start anymore..
[14:30] <louiemat> bzhang - yes
[14:30] <bazhang> tdeuling, get mintsupport then
[14:30] <hejiann> wols: all packages in repository, and will provide a status if the package is installed or not
[14:30] <wols> !mint
[14:30] <bazhang> !mintsupport | tdeuling
[14:31] <tdeuling> bazhang: there are currently no guys they can help me
[14:31] <bazhang> tdeuling, it's not supported here.
[14:31] <force> i can help you
[14:31] <wols> hejiann: does not exist afaik
[14:31] <tdeuling> there's a ubuntu under the linx mint ;)
[14:31] <bazhang> force, take it to PM if you wish. its offtopic here
[14:31] <wols> tdeuling: you can help him, but you can't help him here
[14:34] <LarrysDesk> bazhang: THanks for clearing that up.  APpreciated.
[14:34] <sebas_> I have dual monitor and my system notifications are appearing on my second screen.. is it possible to have the notifications on my main screen??
[14:35] <louiemat> bazhang - how was that command again for displaying installed Lens on 12.10
[14:35] <bazhang> louiemat, lets take this to #ubuntu+1
[14:35] <louiemat> ok I understand
[14:37] <NaZZaX> is there a way via cli to specify another server to do apt-update from ?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> NaZZaX:ssh?
[14:38] <simplew> NaZZaX: you can change it using synaptic i think
[14:39] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  or edit your sources.list files
[14:39] <sebas_> Who knows how do I change settings of notifications?
[14:39] <dr_willis> since updates dont ceom from just one server
[14:39] <NaZZaX> everytime i pull updates i am getting corruption
[14:39] <NaZZaX> i am thinking its a front end WAAS box in my lab
[14:40] <NaZZaX> wots another server i can use ?
[14:40] <NaZZaX> like a list soomewhere?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> NaZZaX, did you remove the ppas in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d before upgrading
[14:41] <NaZZaX> no its a fresh install
[14:41] <TJ-> NaZZaX: Is it hitting a transparent HTTP proxy on the LAN? What and how specifically is being corrupted?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> you can change the server in synaptic or software center'
[14:42] <NaZZaX> so my lab routes go from a 10 gig line to routers in Cisco's network direct pipe to a NAT/PAT on the outside
[14:42] <NaZZaX> i think we have WAAS boxes that captured someone doing an update and it didnt complete correctly
[14:43] <wols> NaZZaX: you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:43] <NaZZaX> so when i run apt-get update i get bunch of stuff then it says HASH mismatch.
[14:43] <michealPW_> That's a lot better :)
[14:43] <NaZZaX> i should point out that this is in a VM on vmware (long story)
[14:44] <wols> NaZZaX: what is the exact error message?
[14:44] <NaZZaX> lemme run apt-get update again
[14:44] <NaZZaX> i will get you one
[14:44] <bazhang> !paste | NaZZaX
[14:44] <NaZZaX> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/multiverse/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[14:45] <NaZZaX> theres one error
[14:45] <NaZZaX> the other errors look like this
[14:45] <NaZZaX> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:45] <michealPW_> NaZZaX: Try changing your download server?
[14:45] <NaZZaX> well thats what i want to do micheal
[14:45] <NaZZaX> Soren built an APT server i think within my lab
[14:45] <dr_willis> is there even anything in backports that you need nazz?
[14:45] <NaZZaX> I'm just wondering if i should try to point to it
[14:46] <NaZZaX> dr willis not sure.
[14:46] <NaZZaX> my whole team is at openstack summit so I am trying to get a build-os node running to install openstack folsom
[14:46] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  those are just warnings, so shouldent break anything. you could remove the backports repos
[14:46] <sebas_> oke nm people its a bug again in ubuntu I cannot set anything by default.. shame on ubuntu. gonna try other versions of buntus
[14:47] <mirak> you got to do something for MTP phones, ubuntu 12.04 is unusable for transfering datas
[14:47] <NaZZaX> im the n00b in charge of breaking documentation and testing how "easy" it is but i cannot get past apt-get update
[14:47] <dr_willis> thats jusy a warning on update. not a critical failure
[14:47] <NaZZaX> should i even be getting those errors ?
[14:47] <bazhang> file a bug then mirak
[14:48] <NaZZaX> or should it be clean
[14:48] <dr_willis> if thats the only 2 errors you get
[14:48] <bazhang> !bugs | mirak
[14:48] <wols> NaZZaX: how often do you need to be told that these are not errors? W is not an E
[14:48] <NaZZaX> no its a bunch I didnt want to flood the channel
[14:48] <wols> !paste | NaZZaX
[14:48] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  backports is normally not enabled by default i belive
[14:48] <NaZZaX> backport ?
[14:48] <dr_willis> !backports
[14:48] <mirak> bazhang: is it even needed to fill a bug for that ? do you really believe no Ubuntu devs ever noticed that ?
[14:49] <NaZZaX> Well this isnt just *my* issue wols its about 15-20 people on my team that flipped out seeing this
[14:49] <forest> When Ubuntu gives the message "*** System restart required ***" is there anyway to see a list of what it needs to do on system restart, before you do?
[14:49] <NaZZaX> its been a recent occurance
[14:49] <bazhang> mirak, if you wish to troubleshoot we can. but saying that something is hopelessly broken wont get any support
[14:49] <gordonjcp> forest: it doesn't need to do anything except restart
[14:50] <gordonjcp> forest: that's usually because the kernel has been updated
[14:50] <bazhang> forest, thats normally for kernel updates
[14:50] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  could be an issue on the backports server also
[14:50] <mirak> bazhang: troobleshot what ? it just doesn't work at all
[14:50] <wols> NaZZaX: congrats. then you are not the only clueless one who can't read in your organization. are you really earning your money with IT?
[14:50] <merlin2049er> hi, I'd like to get a revodrive for my pc.  Does it work with ubuntu?
[14:50] <mirak> bazhang: a user needs to plug the device and show it pop up in nautilus, that's it
[14:50] <forest> thanks gordonjcp
[14:50] <michealPW_> Hrmm
[14:50] <wols> !doesn't work
[14:50] <bazhang> mirak, it certainly does for some. how about listing what exact device does not work, and we can go from there
[14:51] <NaZZaX> dr_willis and Wols I just want to make sure my network is not having a problem 3 of my guys spent the entire weekend trying to figure this out and were quite pissed off because we went through a lot of trouble to make sure our lab did not have any PROXY in its path
[14:51] <NaZZaX> !backports
[14:51] <wols> NaZZaX: I strongly suggest you hire a linux admin. you need one
[14:51] <mirak> bazhang: a Nexus 7, that's a really uncomon device. Anyway Windows manage to open any device, so what's the issue then ?
[14:52] <merlin2049er> will ubuntu recognize the revodrive?
[14:52] <bazhang> mirak, I will check the listed bugs if you wait a moment
[14:52] <dalton2345> whats a revodrive
[14:52] <merlin2049er> ssd on a card with raid 0
[14:52] <truexfan81> in xubuntu 12.04 what is the display manager called? i need to start the service
[14:52] <wols> dalton2345: a SSD connected via PCIe
[14:52] <dalton2345> ty wols
[14:53] <mirak> bazhang: i mean, they waste time with unity that we don't need, and they miss what is really needed, it doesn't makes sens
[14:53] <NaZZaX> I am also building another lab for development within Cisco UCS B250 M2's (384 GB RAM per blade 2 socket 6 core)
[14:53] <wols> truexfan81: lightdm afaik
[14:53] <NaZZaX> so you can see I want to make sure its nothing in our network path that causes this....
[14:53] <bazhang> mirak, did you need help, or just wish to complain. I will help if you decide the former
[14:53] <merlin2049er> sup
[14:53] <truexfan81> wols: thats it, thanks :)
[14:54] <NaZZaX> wols or dr_willis can i do a apt-get update > update.txt to dump to file so that Soren can look at it ?
[14:54] <merlin2049er> if I were to download the windows installer
[14:54] <truexfan81> apparently x won't start when the hdd is full lol
[14:54] <bazhang> NaZZaX, simply disable the backports repo
[14:55] <gordonjcp> truexfan81: lots of weird stuff happens when the hard disk is full ;-)
[14:55] <merlin2049er> and install the bootloader on the revodrive, but ubuntu would be on a regular ssd drive
[14:55] <merlin2049er> would that work?
[14:55] <NaZZaX> hmmmm
[14:55] <NaZZaX> bazhang ok i will read up on it
[14:55] <gordonjcp> merlin2049er: possibly, but Linux is still going to have problems reading the revodrive because it needs a special driver
[14:55] <NaZZaX> thanks for the help so far sorry for being annoying :) still learning here
[14:55] <gordonjcp> merlin2049er: and OCZ aren't interested in supporting it on Linux, by the looks of things
[14:55] <michealPW_> Why that gzip:/var/lib etc etc. ?
[14:56] <michealPW_> How does that location work in a sources.list ?
[14:56] <NaZZaX> bazhang you said to disable backports?
[14:57] <bazhang> NaZZaX, in the package manager, yes
[14:57] <NaZZaX> !backports  <<<  only talks about enabling
[14:57] <truexfan81> gordonjcp: apparently dualbooting on a 250GB drive was a bad idea lol
[14:57] <wols> NaZZaX: no. apt-get prints errors to stderr. so use 2>
[14:57] <merlin2049er> ok, how about creating a hardware raid 0 with 2 ssd drives?
[14:57]  * NaZZaX pets ubottu good lil bot
[14:57] <NaZZaX> merlin2049er why would you do raid 0
[14:57] <gordonjcp> truexfan81: hm?
[14:57] <NaZZaX> err wait yes do raid 0
[14:57] <merlin2049er> faster?
[14:58] <NaZZaX> i thought you said raid 1 for a sec
[14:58] <merlin2049er> i'm getting a gigabyte z77 ud3h
[14:58] <NaZZaX> well when it comes to raid its funny many people get it wrong
[14:58] <truexfan81> gordonjcp: dualbooting 12.04 and wheezy, had to shrink the 12.04 partition
[14:58] <michealPW_> You can directly edit your sources.list (/etc/apt/sources.list) and put a comment (#) infront of your backports line. Then run apt-get update again. You also have a gzip:/var/lib in your sources.list which throws a warning. I'm guessing that's your LOCAL repository?
[14:58] <mirak> bazhang: i want to know if it's fixed in Quantal, so i might try the quantal libmtp
[14:58]  * NaZZaX has been an expert in storage and san for the last 10+ years
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> would ubuntu be safe for new jacksbot trojan? http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/new-multiplatform-backdoor-jacksbot-discovered/
[14:59] <NaZZaX> if you can help it you want to do Raid 0 + 1
[14:59] <NaZZaX> not to be confused with raid 10
[14:59] <michealPW_> So.. It's saying it cannot connect to Backports repo and skips it; Then it can't access your local apt repository and skips that. They're just Warnings, like everyone said and you can basically ignore them. Have they EVER worked?
[14:59] <dalton2345> NaZZaX, i have a question about a server, is it possible to install terminal and vlc in it?
[15:00] <NaZZaX> dalton2345 i would think so i am not an expert on unbuntu
[15:00] <NaZZaX> just on raid and storage
[15:00] <NaZZaX> and storage acceleration
[15:00] <dalton2345> ah ok :)
[15:00] <riktking> hi, im having issues with my VNC access
[15:00] <NaZZaX> michealPW_ yes
[15:00] <riktking> cant seem to get in
[15:01] <NaZZaX> michealPW_ usually apt-get update runs without errors
[15:01] <ajayyada> can somebody help me with wine application
[15:01] <michealPW_> How come NaZZaX's sources.list has a gzip:/var/lib/... why wouldn't it instead use file:/var/lib/...
[15:01] <michealPW_> ?
[15:01] <bazhang> ajayyada, check the appdb
[15:01] <michealPW_> Anyone know?
[15:01] <bazhang> !appdb | ajayyada
[15:01] <bazhang> ajayyada, app help in #winehq
[15:01] <NaZZaX> michealPW_ i am not sure if your helping me with my issue or if you have something of your own ?
[15:01] <wols> riktking: need more info
[15:01] <michealPW_> NaZZaX: Then if it used to work but just suddenly does not, I wouldn't touch anything. Leave it for your sysadmin :P
[15:02] <NaZZaX> i am the sysadmin :P
[15:02] <ajayyada> thank you
[15:02] <NaZZaX> I've just not seen this before
[15:02] <michealPW_> Well how are you the sysadmin asking questions about APT ?!?
[15:02] <michealPW_> hjehe
[15:02] <NaZZaX> because I am diagnosing a lab network issue
[15:02] <NaZZaX> inside my lab we get errors
[15:03] <NaZZaX> outside the lab we do not
[15:03] <riktking> wols: i thought i had it enabled but cannot remote in
[15:03] <wols> riktking: can you access the system any other way?
[15:03] <NaZZaX> the network outside the lab does use proxies and WSA and WAAS
[15:03] <riktking> wols: its not running in htop
[15:03] <NaZZaX> whereas inside my lab its a ACL redirected route directly to the internet (40 gig pipe)
[15:04] <riktking> wols: cani enable from command line
[15:04] <NaZZaX> so I am trying to see if something changed and /or why it works outside the lab but not inside
[15:04] <slipshot> anyone get ddclient 3.8.1 working with freedns?
[15:04] <michealPW> There's a problem with your labs network then, NaZZaX. That doesn't explain the warning on your local apt repository, though, the one in your sources.list accessed by gzip:/, unless that's trying to access a NETWORKED storage device, in which case that would amke sense.
[15:05] <wols> riktking: depends on which vnc server you use. usually yes
[15:05] <NaZZaX> nop no networked storage devices.
[15:05] <NaZZaX> simply logging in doing apt-get update
[15:05] <michealPW> I'm not sure, then. I've never seen gzip:/ in sources.list heehee!
[15:05] <dr_willis> michealPW:  neither have i.
[15:05] <NaZZaX> I think somewhere north of my lab is a caching server that has a corrupt cache
[15:06] <riktking> wols: its the standard one viniciusarq
[15:06] <michealPW> Could be. The HASH mismatch is a cache error, I think.
[15:06] <riktking> vino sorry
[15:06] <slipshot> anyone get ddclient 3.8.1 working at all?
[15:06] <gordonjcp> truexfan81: ah, okay
[15:06] <nixfreak> Hello, I want to add JDK_HOME and JAVA_HOME to my path for all users
[15:06] <nixfreak> do I use /etc/bash.bashrc to add them
[15:06] <NaZZaX> thats why i was hoping you would tell me i can just do apt-get update --server apt.ctocllab.cisco.com  and have it point to my local apt
[15:07] <nixfreak> or use ~/.bashrc
[15:07] <NaZZaX> since Soren built a apt server in the lab
[15:08] <jrib> nixfreak: /etc/profile* is more appropriate imo
[15:08] <dr_willis> update does not get updates from just 1 server. each setver listed in the sources.list has its own 'updates' it downloads
[15:08] <nixfreak> for each user ?
[15:08] <NaZZaX> yes i noticed
[15:09] <nixfreak> jrib -> /etc/profile for each user or is that system wide
[15:09] <NaZZaX> oo i could copy the file do a mass replace?
[15:09] <jrib> nixfreak: /etc/profile is system-wide
[15:09] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  what file?
[15:09] <jrib> nixfreak: you can also just drop it in /etc/profile.d/ if you want to keep things tidy
[15:10] <riktking> wols: is there a way to set it up from the commandline?
[15:10] <merlin2049er> what;s new?
[15:10] <NaZZaX> see it was also having trouble running this command prior to apt-get
[15:10] <jrib> nixfreak: there's also /etc/environment
[15:10] <nixfreak> so I need export JDK_HOME=/opt/ and export JAVA_HOME=/opt/
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> !pdf > lotuspsychje
[15:11] <nixfreak> then export PATH right
[15:11] <NaZZaX> this command was failing wols  apt-key adv --keyserver 'pgpkeys.mit.edu' --recv-keys 'E8CC67053ED3B199'
[15:11] <nixfreak> yeah I thought about using /etc/environment
[15:11] <michealPW> Shouldn't that be apt-key add ?
[15:11] <jrib> nixfreak: sure
[15:11] <bazhang> !gpgerr | NaZZaX
[15:12] <michealPW> nvm
[15:12] <NaZZaX> we determined that was because the keys server in the lab i had to specify hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
[15:12] <nixfreak> kk thanks
[15:12] <NaZZaX> and that worked
[15:12] <jrib> nixfreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables suggests using /etc/environment instead of /etc/profile .  I'm not sure why :/
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> whats a lightweight pps reader for xubuntu?
[15:12] <vagzero> ola galera !!
[15:12] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, whats pps
[15:12] <vagzero> tem alguem do Rj ai ???
[15:12] <nixfreak> jrib - used to archlinux and debian - so many places you can put a PATH in ubuntu
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> bazhang:i mean whats a good lightweight pps reader
[15:13] <bazhang> !br | vagzero
[15:13] <nixfreak> kind of confusing but yes I did read the ubuntu env link you sent before I came here
[15:13] <alecb> I'm in an xmonad session but I'm still managing to connect to wifi -- does anyone know what program's running that's facilitating this?
[15:13] <bazhang> lotuspsychje, yes, and I am asking what a pps is
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> bazhang:powerpoint viewer
[15:13] <michealPW> NaZZaX: My advice is open your /etc/apt/sources.list with a text-editor. Find those two backports lines that caused the error and comment them out. Add below them a proper definition for the Backports repository...
[15:14] <michealPW> That's essentialy your problem. Double-checking that gzip:/ it's only a local copy of the backports.. Both can be commented out and replaced with a proper backports source
[15:14] <NaZZaX>  oo hang on
[15:14] <dr_willis> if you really need backports..
[15:14] <michealPW> You're running 12.04, NaZZaX?
[15:15] <NaZZaX> let me try what bazhang
[15:15] <vagzero> alguem do rj ??
[15:15] <NaZZaX> 12.04 LTS
[15:15] <NaZZaX> i think...
[15:15] <michealPW> Right, so, do you want me to make a pastebin thing for you to follow?
[15:16] <NaZZaX> gimme a second fellas i think bazhang may be on to something
[15:16] <crizis> NaZZaX, cat /etc/issue :)
[15:16] <NaZZaX> well i could do rm -rf < /dev/null but i seriously doubt that would fix my issue
[15:16]  * NaZZaX smiles a lil * nix humor on monday morning
[15:17] <vagzero> ola !!!
[15:17] <NaZZaX> lemme check this onnne sec
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> !br | vagzero
[15:18] <Bolvaron> Hi, yesterday i tried the daily-build of ubuntu 12.10 on a live stick, and after rebooting it didnt find a kernel to boot the system, did i do anything wrong?
[15:19] <wols> yes. you installed it probably wrongly on the usb stick
[15:19] <bazhang> Bolvaron, #ubuntu+1 for that please
[15:19] <Bolvaron> i installed it via penusbinstaller and wanted to use it as live-stick
[15:19] <michealPW> NaZZaX: In a terminal type sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:19] <bazhang> !12.10 | Bolvaron
[15:20] <michealPW> NaZZaX: Then type cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[15:20] <michealPW> Then copy/psate the link.
[15:20] <Bolvaron> thanks bazhang
[15:20] <kelvinella> hi when i try gcc abc.cpp, i got the error gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory
[15:21] <kelvinella> whats wrong?
[15:21] <michealPW> NaZZaX: Then I can see your sources.list and tell you exactly which lines to comment out and which ones to add below them (To keep your Backports working)
[15:21] <NaZZaX> not currently installed
[15:21] <NaZZaX> lemme guess
[15:21] <NaZZaX> install pastebinit
[15:21] <michealPW> Right. First you have to install pastebinit, which is what sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:21] <michealPW> Will do ^
[15:22] <michealPW> 2 steps.. Step 1) sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:22] <NaZZaX> yes I know the install command :) quite well
[15:22] <michealPW> Step 2) cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[15:22] <Kartagis> what's the default LiveCD password for ssh'ing in?
[15:22] <bobsapp> part
[15:22] <NaZZaX> did i mention i hate sudo :P and his friend guido
[15:22] <michealPW> Step 3): Use SHIFT+Ctrl+C to copy the link pastebinit returns to you in the terminal. Then paste to me so I can see it :P
[15:22] <michealPW> sudo rox. It's the first thing I setup on Fedora heehee!
[15:23] <michealPW> Fedora's all about the su -c 'somethingAwesome'
[15:23] <michealPW> HEEHEE!
[15:23] <NaZZaX> sudo -H bash is easier
[15:23] <jrib> Kartagis: ssh isn't running by default.  The default password is blank
[15:23] <jrib> NaZZaX: sudo -i
[15:23] <NaZZaX> esp if i am doing a lot of sudo commands :P
[15:23] <NaZZaX> well I'll see your -i and raise ya
[15:24] <NaZZaX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281258/
[15:24] <michealPW> I think there's benefits to both su -c and sudo. With sudo I can set it up so my wife can install games from Ubuntu Software Center and simply type in her own password.. Rather than my hard root password.
[15:24] <Kartagis> jrib: that completely erases the chance of ssh'ing in for me
[15:24] <michealPW> Then again, who wants their wives installing things anyways? hahaha!
[15:24] <michealPW> ZING!
[15:24] <Kartagis> :S
[15:24] <jrib> Kartagis: well, you can set a password and install ssh :x
[15:25] <michealPW> NaZZaX: K let me check it out haha didn't even notice your link 'till just now :P
[15:25] <Kartagis> jrib: I installed ssh, then forgot to set up a password
[15:25] <viniciusarq> .
[15:25] <NaZZaX> michealPW my "wives" are fat ascii's one weighs 2435 lbs
[15:26] <jrib> Kartagis: and now you're away from the computer?
[15:26] <NaZZaX> the other weighs 3606 lbs
[15:26] <Kartagis> jrib: yes
[15:26] <Kartagis> jrib: no luck huh?
[15:26] <michealPW> Oh wait, I think you've got a sources.d directory with extra .list files?
[15:26] <bazhang> !ot | NaZZaX
[15:26] <michealPW> That sources.list you piped to pastebinit looks perfect..
[15:26] <jrib> Kartagis: look for a 0-day :P
[15:26] <Kartagis> 0-day?
[15:26] <NaZZaX> ok michealPW
[15:26] <slipshot> anyone in here use opendns?
[15:27] <islandmonkey> !ask | slipshot
[15:27] <NaZZaX> so its something in the lab thats causing a cache hit issue ya think ?
[15:27] <michealPW> Try (In a terminal) ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:27] <Kartagis> jrib: what's 0-day?
[15:27] <michealPW> In that directory are files ending in .list which will be added to your sources.list file and used as the APT list. So, I'm thinking those broken backports links are in a file inside the sources.list.d directory
[15:27] <NaZZaX> just so you know i am ssh'ed into this box not on a console of any kind
[15:27] <jrib> Kartagis: an exploit that hasn't been patched
[15:27] <bazhang> Kartagis, an exploit
[15:27] <deb>  #ubuntu-it
[15:28] <jrib> Kartagis: (it was a bad joke)
[15:28] <michealPW> You can just rename them to whatever.list.bak to temporarily remove them and then run apt-get update again
[15:28] <BluesKaj> slipshot, yes ..what's your question about opendns
[15:28] <jrib> Kartagis: maybe you have a friend with physical access to the machine?
[15:29] <michealPW> Usually the files inside sources.list.d are named nicely.. So I have a caffeine.list, a grub-customizer.list, an opera.list etc. Check the files in that directory. I'm sure one of them is the culprit :P
[15:30] <NaZZaX> michealPW the netsplit is scrolling the screen can i just message you direct
[15:31] <dr_willis> glad my irc client filters partd/joins ;)
[15:31] <michealPW> NaZZaX: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit
[15:31] <NaZZaX> normally i do
[15:31] <michealPW> NaZZaX: That should do it :P
[15:31] <michealPW> hehe dr_willis. Empathy doesn't... Empathy's the worse IRC client ever!
[15:31] <michealPW> LOL why oh why did they decide to adopt Empathy as the primary Ubuntu client :\
[15:31] <michealPW> Insanity!
[15:32] <dr_willis> i thought empathy had plugins for that
[15:32] <Kartagis> jrib: let me ask you this. I installed Xen yesterday, editing grub  and all. I rebooted, and logged into Xen kernel happily and worked from there. however, I found today that the computer was unresponsive and rebooted it. the computer booted, and after a while it went to sleep. this happened for few times more, everytime forcing me to reboot. is thşs likely to happen?
[15:32] <michealPW> Iunno, haevn't checked the plugins. Empathy without plugins makes me want to punch puppies.
[15:32] <NaZZaX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281285/
[15:32] <NaZZaX> it looks like its just two lines michealPW
[15:32] <michealPW> Everythuing about it is really akward and silly.
[15:32] <jrib> Kartagis: I don't know much about that
[15:32] <philinux> michealPW: Try xchat
[15:32] <BluesKaj> empathy and telepathy are awful irc clients , guess they're ok for IM etc but not irc
[15:33] <philinux> xchat is very good
[15:33] <Kartagis> michealPW: try kvirc
[15:33] <Tack> I'm trying to change the hostname of an existing raid1 array in Ubuntu 12.04 (mdadm 3.2.5) and any attempt seems to be ignored.  I'm assembling a stopped array with "mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --update=homehost --homehost=newhost /dev/vdc" and it assembles fine, but mdadm --detail still shows the old hostname (Name: oldhost:0).  It's just a single disk raid1 right now as I'm experimenting -- not sure if that
[15:33] <Tack>  could be relevant.
[15:33] <michealPW> philinux: Yea, I use XChat primarily. I just thought I'd try out Empathy since it's so well integrated in Ubuntu 12
[15:33] <NaZZaX> normally i use an eggdrop as a squatter and client but i got lazy and installed mirc on this work laptop
[15:33] <NaZZaX> michealPW http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281285/
[15:33] <michealPW> NaZZaX: Hrmm! Those aren't it, either. Well now I'm confused!
[15:33] <michealPW> Iunno where those broken backports definitions are comming from! :|
[15:33] <michealPW> That's weird LOL
[15:33] <NaZZaX> how do you do a show ver
[15:34] <michealPW> I'm not an APT expert, but all I know of is sources.list and sources.list.d :\
[15:34] <NaZZaX> it used to be uname  something
[15:34] <michealPW> Yea uname can tell you what you want to know, I think. Try man uname
[15:34] <michealPW> uname -a
[15:34] <michealPW> Gives you all the info uname has
[15:35] <NaZZaX> hmmmm
[15:35] <michealPW> Well sorry NaZZaX. I guess your problem goes over my head :(
[15:35] <NaZZaX> is installing the precise image the same as 12.04 LTS server ?
[15:36] <dr_willis> what 'image' ?
[15:36] <michealPW> I thought it would be simple to just comment out those links that aren't working and replace with working ones... But your sources.list has the working ones and I can't find the broken links haha
[15:36] <michealPW> Precise is the code-name for 12.04. 12.04 is Ubuntu Precise Pangolin.
[15:36] <jrib> NaZZaX: depends on what you mean by "precise image"
[15:36] <NaZZaX> oh
[15:36] <michealPW> Although I think "Ubuntu Server" is different from my "Ubuntu Desktop" :\
[15:36] <NaZZaX> my team downloaded it they must have renamed it
[15:36] <NaZZaX> I just wanted to make sure i dont have some corrupt ISO
[15:37] <michealPW> No, I don't think that's your problem.
[15:37] <jrib> !md5sums | NaZZaX
[15:37] <michealPW> I'm going to go take a smoke break. Good luck with your woes, NaZZaX!
[15:38] <michealPW> Try using Google to search for APT HASH mismatch
[15:38] <michealPW> To read more about that specific exception and why exactly APT would throw it.
[15:38] <NaZZaX> well my one ISO is from 3/1and its 713,004 the other one more recent is 700,716 and now i see a ubuntu 12-04.1 which is 673,068 KB
[15:39] <NaZZaX> theres many oo bright idea
[15:39] <NaZZaX> why don't i do apt-get update | pastebinit
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> !google michealPW
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> oops
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> um...
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> !google | michealPW
[15:40] <raviteja> hello
[15:41] <michealPW> NaZZaX: Abstract.. There's no "problem". APT isn't "broken", per se. The way it works is when you type "apt-get update" you're telling APT to go through every single line in the sources.list and all .list files in sources.list.d and will try to connect to each server and ask the server for a list of updates. It's just warning you that 2 lines referenced servers that could not be connected to, for whatever reason.
[15:42] <NaZZaX> michealPW //paste.ubuntu.com/1281299/  output of my apt-get update
[15:43] <NaZZaX> its actually saying error 404 Not Found
[15:44] <dr_willis> line 118 in that past IS finding the backports repos is seems
[15:45] <michealPW> Yea, that's the proper backports in his sources.list. Iunno where the broken oens are even coming from
[15:45] <dr_willis> now what ip 98.191.######  is.. may be the ussue
[15:45] <michealPW> He piped the entire sources.list.d directory as well as sources.list and I can't see them LOL.
[15:46] <NaZZaX> theres some other errors on the console here
[15:46] <dr_willis> check /etc/hosts perhaps?
[15:46] <michealPW> Oh I never thought of that
[15:46] <michealPW> That would be funny
[15:46] <NaZZaX> so heres a super stupid question why would inside my lab be different than outside.... DNS ?
[15:47] <jrib> well that ip that 404s does seem to be a valid (and reachable from here) repository
[15:47] <NaZZaX> my dns servers inside my lab are cache forwarders that point to Cisco Main DNS
[15:47] <fusion27> I'm kind of a noob sys admin, been programming for a long time, but I'm the only that thinks linux is cool here at work so I "earned" the task of setting up a Java server for a new client.  I stuck it on AWS with Ubuntu server, which is pretty sweet.  Got them set up with Tomcat 7, MySQL, Git and Java 6.  They now want a mail server, is there a de-facto best one to set up?  I've never set up a mail server before, but how tough can
[15:47] <jrib> NaZZaX: can you reach <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:48] <NaZZaX> jrib just like a wget on the cli to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:48] <jrib> NaZZaX: sure
[15:48] <n1> ikonia executed the script (sakis3g which is the user interface to connect the dongles) and as it connects, there's a message an the end "unable to determine path"
[15:49] <NaZZaX> jrib yes i get a successful wget of index.html
[15:49] <jrib> NaZZaX: that's pretty weird.  You don't have some sort of proxy setup, right?
[15:49] <NaZZaX> no thats the point of my lab the routes are supposed to bypass proxy
[15:50] <n1> anyone using vodafone mobile connect in ubuntu?
[15:50] <NaZZaX> jrib is there a way to set one in the cli just to see if its any different?
[15:50] <jrib> !proxy
[15:50] <jrib> *cough*
[15:50] <rTfact> reset
[15:50] <rTfact> clear
[15:51] <NaZZaX> *giggle*
[15:51] <NaZZaX> isnt it an export command
[15:51] <jrib> NaZZaX: apparently apt-get respects the http_proxy variable.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[15:52] <jrib> NaZZaX: can you hit http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/main/source/Sources.gz
[15:52] <jrib> NaZZaX: and .bz2 as well since I'm not sure what it actually uses
[15:53] <NaZZaX> Yes it downloaded both
[15:53] <NaZZaX> on a wget
[15:53] <jrib> dr_willis, michealPW: no idea on my part
[15:54] <NaZZaX> funky lab ?
[15:54] <NaZZaX> hmmm
[15:55] <jrib> NaZZaX: you can try a mirror to see if something different happens I guess...
[15:56] <NaZZaX> how would one select a different mirror
[15:56] <Gallomimia> !cloak
[15:56] <dr_willis> id be curious if a live cd would experienced the same issues
[15:57] <jrib> NaZZaX: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change us.archive.ubuntu.com.  Yeah, live cd would provide a useful data point
[15:57] <Gallomimia> has 12/10 hit yet?
[15:57] <NaZZaX> what can i change it to?
[15:58] <dr_willis> archive.ubuntu.com would be a random server? i forget
[15:58] <NaZZaX> eu.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[15:58] <DJones> Gallomimia: No, not due until the 18th
[15:58] <NaZZaX> dr_willis i will try it
[15:58] <NaZZaX> I am also willing to do a live CD install if it helps its good to document issues like this
[15:58] <Gallomimia> cool thanks
[15:59] <dr_willis> a live cd is a 'must have' tool. ;)
[16:00] <dr_willis> testing it on a different machine in the lab may lead to some clues also
[16:00] <NaZZaX> they all use the same 10 gig route out
[16:01] <PannCaKKES> Hello
[16:01] <dr_willis> with 2 machines you can compare at the same time
[16:01] <NaZZaX> FUNKY
[16:01] <reikalusikka> every time I try to install postgresql I get an error: http://pastebin.com/n6FiwisE
[16:01] <NaZZaX> guess what
[16:02] <NaZZaX> I removed the us.
[16:02] <NaZZaX> now it ran clean
[16:02] <NaZZaX> ZERO errors
[16:02] <jrib> NaZZaX: maybe the admin of that other repository dislikes your lab
[16:02] <reikalusikka> this problem is also covered in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1405239 but how do I install the package from synaptic manager when I'm using command line
[16:02] <dalton2345> congrats NaZZaX :)
[16:03] <dr_willis> or he set it up to cached us.ubuntu.co  and not ubuntu.com
[16:03] <NaZZaX> jrib you don't understand how pisssed my team was trying to get openstack folsom running last minute when all they had to do was change 3 lil things in that file.
[16:04] <jrib> dr_willis: probably more likely :P
[16:04] <dr_willis> i dont see how having backports enabled or not would keep them from installing openstack...
[16:04] <dr_willis> unless it was in backports
[16:04] <NaZZaX> not that
[16:04] <NaZZaX> they just dont like errors
[16:04] <NaZZaX> on anything...ever. period.
[16:04] <dr_willis> they were warnings...
[16:04] <NaZZaX> hey dont shoot the messenger lol
[16:05] <deb> hi guys, mplayer won't let me open a video cuz of missing text/html editor plugin???? any idea?
[16:05] <NaZZaX> just telling ya what they found
[16:05] <NaZZaX> but glad to know its not my lab
[16:05] <michealPW> On a somewhat sidenote... Could NaZZaX just have configured APT to supress those Warnings and only show Errors?
[16:05] <dr_willis> sounds lke they just found somthing to complain about. ;)
[16:05] <bazhang> deb is that a apple video trailer
[16:05] <michealPW> HEEHEE! That way his co-workers would not see simple Warnings and freak out? :P
[16:05] <luist> hey guys… i need help with this: http://pastie.org/5062803   i installed ubuntu 10.04 and cant install qtcreator
[16:05] <NaZZaX> nah
[16:05] <michealPW> Are you not in the U.S, NaZZaX?
[16:06] <deb> bazhang, try opening it http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/dirette/PublishingBlock-64203784-70f7-4b53-9d21-b14693850195.html?channel=Rai%201&refresh_ce
[16:06] <NaZZaX> ya gotta know these guys :)
[16:06] <NaZZaX> michealPW I am. My labs are in SJC
[16:06] <michealPW> NaZZaX: Weird that the us mirror is unreachable to you but the eu one is?? :\
[16:06] <michealPW> LOL
[16:06] <NaZZaX> i am in charge of the openstack Opensource Development on cisco platform
[16:06] <NaZZaX> i own the labs
[16:06] <bazhang> NaZZaX, michealPW lets get back on topic please
[16:07] <NaZZaX> indeed.
[16:07] <NaZZaX> the answer seems to be us.archive.ubuntu.com at least from my lab
[16:07] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:  whats funny.. i doubt if there are any packages in backports right now anyway.. since 12.10 is not out yet
[16:07] <bazhang> deb, its not available due to country code restrictions
[16:07] <michealPW> Weird. Well congrats on isolating and fixing the problem, NaZZaX ;)
[16:07] <dr_willis> which may be why the local cache server is confused
[16:08] <NaZZaX> So I guess the question now is what if one of you uses that archive set do you get errors
[16:08] <jasonmsp> hey all.  I'm looking for an MS Access equivalent in Ubuntu.  Anyone have any preferred options?
[16:08] <bazhang> !equivalents | jasonmsp
[16:08] <NaZZaX> can one of you run an apt-get update and see if you get an error with that server said ?
[16:08] <NaZZaX> server set*
[16:09] <LinuxLev> Is there a way to stop Rhythembox from pop-up notifications on song change?  Saw nothing in the settings.
[16:09] <NaZZaX> then the next question after that is if us.archive.ubuntu.com does have a problem how do ou fix it ?
[16:09] <dr_willis> NaZZaX:   ping  the us. server and the non us server a few times.. see if they are the same ip. ;)
[16:10] <NaZZaX> dr_willis if thats the case that confirms i have a WAAS (net Caching) between me and the internet
[16:11] <jasonmsp> bazhang:  thanks. I can do the google search.    When using Rhytembox, everytime the song changes, a notification appears in the upper right corner, such as when someone highlights me in IRC or sends me an Empathy IM.  I'd like to turn it off for just the Rhythembox application.
[16:13] <NaZZaX> but they are on two different IP's for what its worth
[16:13] <bazhang> LinuxLev, and that removes the notifications
[16:13] <LarrysDesk> I'm using a laptop with another OS on it to install Ubuntu onto a HardDrive, which I'll move to a headless server in a little bit.  I've booted from the Ubuntu Installer CD, attached the 'new' drive to the laptop's USB port, and am working my way through the install.
[16:13] <LarrysDesk> When I get to the section on installing the bootloader, it 'detects' the laptop's *existing* OS, and asks if I want to install the bootloader to the MasterBootRecord.  I want to make sure the Ubuntu bootloader gets installed onto the NEW, external drive, not the laptop's existing, internal drive.
[16:13] <LarrysDesk> I can't tell what the isntaller intends to do here; how do I verify that it's gonna install to the new drive?
[16:13] <NaZZaX> so should i change it back to us.archive.ubuntu.com and see if i get the error again?
[16:14] <LinuxLev> Oh, I mis-read the question on the link you gave, thank you.
[16:14] <wols> LarrysDesk: ctrl+alt+f2 and run grub-install /dev/sdb or whatever there
[16:14] <gchristensen> Hi, is it safe to remove the ubuntu user on EC2 servers?
[16:14] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1952044   jasonmsp
[16:14] <jrib> gchristensen: as long as you have some other user that can sudo, it should be safe on a standard ubuntu install
[16:14] <LarrysDesk> wols: type that command while I'm *IN* the installer?
[16:14] <wols> sure
[16:15] <gchristensen> thank you, jrib
[16:15] <wols> and don't let the install write grub to the disk
[16:15] <Will123467> LarrysDesK: the graphical ubuntu installer usually lets you specify which drive you want to install the boot loader, too
[16:15] <wols> or if it insists, let it write to the ubuntu partition itself and not the MBR. then go to the terminal and run grub-install
[16:15] <LarrysDesk> wols: Ok, thanks.  Will123467 Must have missed that :-(
[16:16] <luist> hey guys… i need help with this: http://pastie.org/5062803  i just installed ubuntu 10.04 and cant even install qtcreator!??!?!
[16:16] <jasonmsp> bazhang: thanks
[16:16] <dr_willis> Will123467:  last i looked unetbootin dident do persistant live setups. but it may now. the pendrivelinux site has nu erous tools that can
[16:16] <Will123467> dr_willis: it does if you're installing ubuntu, it lets you specify the amount of space you want to dedicate etc.
[16:16] <Will123467> dr_willis: if unetbootin is an okay way to do it then i'm happy with that - was just double checking :)
[16:17] <eax> Hi, I'm getting hangup with Ubuntu 12.02.1... nVIDIA Optimus... I got some text message that said "raise() ... drm ... intel." I have 1 Intel GPU + 1 nVidia GPU...
[16:17] <eax> Any ideas?
[16:17] <bazhang> eax, 12.04.1 ?
[16:17] <dr_willis> Will123467:  i tend to use other tools.. but i also tend to do 'full' normal installs to larger sized usb flash also
[16:18] <eax> bazhang: Yes, I think so.
[16:19] <Will123467> dr_willis: this is an 8 gig drive. what do you recommend?
[16:19] <Will123467> should i go with a full normal install?
[16:19] <NaZZaX> dr_willis is there a way i can test this outside the lab or can somone do an apt-get update and let me know if you get errors too ?
[16:20] <dr_willis> Will123467:  depends on your needs.  live setups can get confused if you use a persistant save and install a lot of extras/update them
[16:21] <Will123467> dr_willis: this is for a normal computer user friend who has a dodgy harddrive. so she needs something she can just plug in to her laptop and have it work in emergencies. you think a full install is better in this case?
[16:21] <dr_willis> Will123467:  flash drives are cheap make one of each. ;P
[16:22] <dr_willis> id suggest 16gb+ for a full install. 8gb may be tight
[16:22] <dr_willis> but for just web surfing and stuff should work
[16:22] <Will123467> dr_willis: shop is closed now, i've only got one drive and i'm going to see her tomorrow. so making two is out of the question :P plus i don't like her that much and i hate spending money
[16:22] <Will123467> yeah it's just a back up thing
[16:22] <dr_willis> stick with live then
[16:23] <Will123467> okay, thanks :) shame 12.04.2 isn't out yet eh
[16:23] <dr_willis> Will123467:  12.10 due out in a few days
[16:24] <crimsonmane> actually that's a good thing. new versions are always buggy. stick with solid ones for your friend otherwise she'll hate both you and your linux
[16:24] <Will123467> dr_willis: right, but i'm seeing her tomorrow and then she's leaving the country, so that's not great timing
[16:24] <Will123467> someone actually already put a weird customised ugly gnome shell version of 12.10 on her laptop which subsequently broke and completely alienated her (first time user) to linux, so i'm doing damage control :P hence 12.04
[16:25] <NaZZaX> dr_willis now that i have a successful apt-get do i need to do anything else or just reboot
[16:26] <Will123467> crimsonmane: yep, that's exactly what happened :P
[16:26]  * NaZZaX really needs to take a ubuntu class its been too long since i have done *nix
[16:26] <dr_willis> why do you think you need to reboot?
[16:26] <Safa_[A_boy]> hi all, I have a problem with the window slide, I'm on ambiance theme but it not that ! its like ignore that and replace it with anther !
[16:27] <NaZZaX> because i have been away from *nix too long and used to WinBLOWS
[16:28] <NaZZaX> cool your chatting mobile
[16:29] <eax> Hi, I'm getting hangup with Ubuntu 12.02.1... nVIDIA Optimus... I got some text message that said "raise() ... drm ... intel." I have 1 Intel GPU + 1 nVidia GPU...
[16:30] <designbybeck_> Kudos to Yoonseo of Open Source Ecology for using Ubuntu Linux Operating System (3:20sec in video) http://vimeo.com/51420624
[16:31] <silverghost> when is ubunt u12.10 coming out
[16:31] <michealPW> It's a date, silly.
[16:31] <crizis> 30th?
[16:32] <dr_willis> a year and month. ;-)
[16:32] <crizis> .. but day
[16:32] <silverghost> i have one question i have reported a bug in ubunt u12.10 beta any chances it will get solved in 12.10 final ?
[16:32] <michealPW> 12.10 == 2012 10th month, which is November.
[16:32] <michealPW> So Ubuntu 12.10 will be out sometime in November.
[16:32] <dr_willis> !schedule
[16:33] <michealPW> I'm not sure exactly the day, I think that's up to Canonical? Maybe more information is on the Ubuntu website though
[16:33] <crizis> it should come out at thursday
[16:33] <crizis> 18th
[16:33] <michealPW> Oh, thanks dr_willis :)
[16:33] <silverghost> 25
[16:33] <silverghost> October 18th
[16:33] <silverghost> Quality
[16:33] <silverghost>  FinalRelease
[16:33] <FloodBot1> silverghost: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:33] <Safa_[A_boy]> so...?
[16:33] <silverghost> 3 days to go
[16:34] <dr_willis> so what?
[16:34] <Safa_[A_boy]> hi all, I have a problem with the window slide, I'm on ambiance theme but it not that ! its like ignore that and replace it with anther !
[16:34] <michealPW> Wait, isn't 12.10 November LOL?
[16:34] <silverghost> 5 month release cycle
[16:34] <silverghost> lolwoot
[16:34] <dr_willis> Safa_[A_boy]:  that makes no sence  at all...
[16:35] <silverghost> lol who uses ambiance theme haha
[16:35] <michealPW> Crazyhorse! That's so confusing. *shrugs*
[16:35] <Safa_[A_boy]> its great!
[16:35] <michealPW> Why wouldn't they call it Ubuntu 12.09 LOL?
[16:35] <michealPW> :|
[16:35] <silverghost> ahaha
[16:36] <silverghost> xD
[16:36] <silverghost> funnty situation
[16:36] <Will123467> michealPW: october is the 10th month
[16:36] <crizis> michealPW, <year>.<month>
[16:36] <silverghost> lolwoot
[16:36] <michealPW> Safa_[A_boy], So I think your problem is that you've selected the Ambiance theme... However it has not applied the Ambiance theme and instead has applied another one?
[16:36] <silverghost> ahaha
[16:36] <silverghost> u all drunk
[16:36] <michealPW> Wait, what? LOL let me look at a calendar (rofl)
[16:37] <silverghost> i reported a bug in 12.10 beta any chances it will get solved in final ?
[16:37] <dr_willis> oct. nov. dec...
[16:37] <michealPW> Wait, no.. October, November, December... January is the 1st of 2013...
[16:37] <crizis> read the bugraport from launchpad perhaps?
[16:37] <michealPW> December is the 12th month of 2012? Or am I totally confused (rofl)
[16:37] <dr_willis> silverghost: check the bug report
[16:37] <Safa_[A_boy]> its saying "Ambiance" but its not here !
[16:38] <silverghost> critical incomplete
[16:38] <crizis> usually december is 12th month of the year, michealPW ...
[16:38] <trism> silverghost: what bug number?
[16:38] <michealPW> Oh god I'm retarded, nevermind me!
[16:38] <michealPW> LOL!
[16:38] <Will123467> michaelPW: so what do we mark your bug report? wontfix? wishlist? we can fix the ubuntu calendar but not the gregorian one
[16:38] <dr_willis> silverghost: ounds like they dident get enough info
[16:38] <crizis> too much offtopic
[16:40] <eax> Hi, I'm getting hangup with Ubuntu 12.02.1... nVIDIA Optimus... I got some text message that said "raise() ... drm ... intel." I have 1 Intel GPU + 1 nVidia GPU... How can I fix this?
[16:40] <silverghost> just 3 days to go let us wait and see cheers lads!!
[16:40] <Will123467> eax: pretty sure 12.04 doesn't really support optimus. feel free to put me right though
[16:40] <michealPW> Wow, 3 days..
[16:40] <Safa_[A_boy]> أريد حلّا !
[16:41] <eax> Will123467: So?
[16:41] <michealPW> Should I download the iso and replace my 12.04 disk with 12.10 and then do a dist-upgrade? (Having the 12.10 liveCD just in case)
[16:41] <michealPW> By 12.04 disk I mean my RW-DVD with the 12.04 liveCD :P
[16:41] <crizis> 12.10 won't fit on cd
[16:41] <michealPW> Or should I replace my disk and use it to whipe this 12.04 clean and put a fresh 12.10 in place?
[16:42] <dr_willis> i allways do clean installs
[16:42] <michealPW> A DVD though, it will fit? I just use "disk"/"cd" as synonymous with DVD haha sorry :P
[16:42] <crizis> i always upgrade :-)
[16:42] <michealPW> Yea, on Windows I always did clean install. That's 'cause Windows setup is horrific at upgrading LOL
[16:42] <crizis> although reinstalling could be a good excuse to buy SSD, finally
[16:43] <michealPW> I can't afford SSD yet.. I wish :P
[16:43] <Jeff_Bezos> hi guys
[16:43] <dr_willis> make the system boot the iso file for a faster install. ;-)
[16:43] <michealPW> No disposable income for that kind of an expense :|
[16:43] <Will123467> i saw a 64 gig SSD for 35 quid in a shop today. i got my 64 gig SSD for 90 quid about two years ago
[16:43] <Will123467> 35 quid isn't so much if you go hungry for a bit
[16:43] <crizis> ssd's aren't expensive anymore. 60-80e for 128GB and 140-180e for 256gb
[16:43] <michealPW> dr_willis: LOL like mount the iso and run install from there? How would that work during the install I wonder haha? :\
[16:44] <Jeff_Bezos> can i have some information regarding the new ubuntu
[16:44] <michealPW> Will123467, How much is 35 "quid" in $CDN  hehe?
[16:44] <dr_willis> michealPW: grub2 can boot the iso.
[16:44] <crizis> Jeff_Bezos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[16:44] <Safa_[A_boy]> how can you all read all that ?!!!!!!
[16:44] <michealPW> dr_willis, Ahh, that's interesting! :\
[16:44] <michealPW> dr_willis, So like, I could edit my grub menu to add the iso and then boot from the iso??
[16:45] <michealPW> That would be pretty slick LOL
[16:45] <Will123467> michaelPW: what's a CDN? canadian? 35 quid is 55 canadian dollars
[16:45] <Safa_[A_boy]> what about my problem ?!!
[16:45] <dr_willis> michealPW: exactly.
[16:45] <michealPW> Ah, 55 Canadian hrmm that's not bad :\
[16:45] <michealPW> I imagined much higher
[16:45] <michealPW> Still, ~$60 is a chunk of money :|
[16:46] <dr_willis> Safa_[A_boy]: i think people are not clear on your problem
[16:46] <LarrysDesk> wols: I'm at that ctrl-alt-f2 console, about to 'grub-install' -- I've partitioned/configured a *separate* "/boot" partition on the HD, @ /dev/sdb1.  Should it be "grub-install /dev/sdb" or "grub-install /dev/sdb1"?
[16:46] <Safa_[A_boy]> dr_willis, should I upload a screenshot ?!
[16:47] <michealPW> I think I know his problem but I don't know the solution.
[16:47] <michealPW> Safa_[A_boy], Try selecting another Theme and pressing "Apply"; then re-select your Ambiance theme and press "Apply" again...
[16:47] <michealPW> Iunno. Hehe
[16:48] <michealPW> I think he's saying he selects the "Ambiance" theme but it applies another theme instead hehe.
[16:48] <Safa_[A_boy]> I tried to download another Ambiance theme but it still !
[16:48] <LarrysDesk> or, anyone for that matter ...
[16:49] <dr_willis> it still!    ?...  full sentances would help us..
[16:49] <eax> Hi, I'm getting hangup with Ubuntu 12.02.1... nVIDIA Optimus... I got some text message that said "raise() ... drm ... intel." I have 1 Intel GPU + 1 nVidia GPU... How can I fix this?
[16:49] <michealPW> So.. What are you doing again, LarrysDesk? You've readied a partition for /boot in /dev/sdb1 and you'd like to install grub to it right?
[16:49] <kikkko> ciao
[16:50] <Safa_[A_boy]> http://i48.tinypic.com/10ga7o1.png
[16:51] <Safa_[A_boy]> dr_willis, the problem is that my english is not so good :|
[16:51] <michealPW> LarrysDesk, So I think you're on the right track. grub-install /dev/sdb1 should do it. Double check the manual for grub-install though to make sure you're not missing any important switches (man grub-install)
[16:51] <kikkko> come si usa questo programma
[16:52] <michealPW> Oh, he's using gnome tweak, I guess, trying to set everything to use Ambiance? I can't figure much out in that screenshot 'cause I can't read the language Safa_[A_boy] :|
[16:52] <michealPW> Sorry.
[16:52] <chachin> damn 1662 users
[16:52] <chachin> i wonder what's the record peak of most users in one chan :(
[16:53] <LarrysDesk> michealPW: Hi.  I'm booted on my laptop (running another OS) to the Ubuntu Installer CD, with an *external* HD attached.  I'm doing an Ubuntu install to that HD.  @ the "bootloader" section of the install, I hit ctrl-alt-f2, and want to install the bootloader to the MBR in the right part of that external HD.  Iiuc, it goes to the "separate boot" partition @ /dev/sdb1, *NOT* the disk itself @ /dev/sdb.  right?
[16:53] <jrib> chachin: come back on release day
[16:53] <chachin> what release date?
[16:53] <DUKENUKEM> hey guys, my /boot is almost full because of all the kernel updates over the months.  can i safely just remove the kernels i am not using?  (im not sure of the "ubuntu" way to do things (ie, the clean way :P))
[16:54] <jrib> DUKENUKEM: yes, just remove the corresponding linux-image package
[16:54] <osse> I've noticed that gnome-terminal uses other colors than some other terminals (such as xterm). Still the output of the 256colors2.pl script is the same. What is happening?
[16:54] <DUKENUKEM> jrib: ok cool thanks
[16:55] <michealPW> LarrysDesk: Oh, okay! Well, correct. I think you're right.  What you say makes perfect sense. If you select /dev/sdb it will put it in that drive's MBR not the partition you created. If you use /dev/sdb1 it will put it in the partition you've created, though.
[16:56] <ghabit> Hello. Is it big diffeence between clean install and upgrade to newest version of ubuntu? Which one is better?
[16:56] <LarrysDesk> michealPW: I guess my question then should also be -- where SHOULD i put it?  in the MBR, or the boot partition?  I want to make sure that when I detach this drive from the laptop, and put it (eventually) into a new machine, it'll boot correctly.
[16:57] <michealPW> LarrysDesk: Ah, well I would THINK you should put it in /dev/sdb, the MBR. That way if you detach it and re-attach to another computer, without changing anything on that computer it's BIOS will find GRUB and let you easily boot from it.
[16:57] <michealPW> Again.. I'm not an expert, though :P
[16:58] <michealPW> If you put GRUB in a partition, though, I think you'll need to do chainloading (Say, put Windows' BOOTMGR in the MBR and create an entry in BOOTMGR that points to your partition with GRUB in it.)
[16:58] <eax> I see a lot of graphics problem with Unity. Or offsets wrong.
[16:59] <wilee-nilee> ghabit, Better is a subjective and is a personal decision, fresh and upgrade mean what they say, back up your setup before doing anything is your best move.
[16:59] <eax> Windows flying 20px below the cursor in some situations and such.
[16:59] <michealPW> LarrysDesk: The point of the MBR is that it's the first 2048 bytes of the hard disk. It's where a BIOS will automatically look for an operating system (In this case, GRUB.)
[16:59] <LarrysDesk> michealPW: If BIOS "looks" at the MBR of disks, then I think that's what I want ...
[17:00] <ghabit> wilee-nilee, I will try to rephrase my question.  Has any limitations upgrade? Is there some reasons to not upgrade, but make clean install instead? Sorry for my English.
[17:00] <michealPW> LarrysDesk: Indeed! I think that will give you the most flexability in using that removable drive on different PCs without changing anything on the PC. Like on mine, if you plugged it in when I start my computer I could press F12 and see it in the list without changing anything, then select it and up comes Ubuntu :P
[17:01] <LarrysDesk> hm.  I was instructed to use "grub-install".  When I try, though, it says "grub-install: not found".  THere *IS* a "grub-installer".  Same thing?
[17:01] <LarrysDesk> michealPW: ok, thanks!
[17:01] <michealPW> That's weird. It's grub-install here, I think *checks*
[17:02] <michealPW> grub-install (GRUB) 1.99-21ubuntu3.4
[17:02] <michealPW> grub-install -v ^^
[17:02] <wilee-nilee> ghabit, The reasons are per users, some want a fresh install I belong to that camp, it is faster for me. Some want a upgrade for whatever reasons.  Any install or upgrade can have problems, to many to list to be honest.
[17:03] <ghabit> wilee-nilee, I just want to update because of a lot of per-user  settings.
[17:03] <michealPW> Weird!
[17:03] <michealPW> WTH is BusyBox hehe?
[17:04] <svip> How do I purge and install a package on the same line?
[17:04] <jrib> svip: why do you want to do that?
[17:04] <wilee-nilee> ghabit, I think you mean upgrade, clone the original in case the upgrade breaks will be your best insurance.
[17:04] <LarrysDesk> I DL'd the install disk from the Ubuntu site.  Could it be compromised?
[17:05] <jrib> !md5sums | LarrysDesk
[17:05] <dr_willis> apt has a reinstall option, or i think you can do it other ways svip
[17:05] <michealPW> No, I'm just ignorant that's all :P
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> LarrysDesk, Unlikely, but you can check the md5sum.
[17:05] <LarrysDesk> ubottu: I checked the MD5sum on DL.  It was correct.
[17:05] <svip> Because my repository is stuck in a rut.  It depends on some package, but cannot install it because it conflicts with another one.  I can remove that, but then a tonne of packages will be removed, and I want to avoid that.
[17:05] <LarrysDesk> Oh, jrib
[17:05] <michealPW> What the heck is this LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
[17:05] <michealPW> Weird!
[17:06] <sukima> This page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Will_my_wireless_work.3F) says for 12.04 to run: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer however apt-get says that does not exist. This is on a liveCD iBook g4.Does the liveCD distro not include some source repositories?
[17:06] <gordonjcp> michealPW: ?
[17:06] <gordonjcp> michealPW: what's weird about it?
[17:06] <michealPW> Just reading, dunno what it is.
[17:06] <dr_willis> busybox is amazeing.
[17:06] <dr_willis> a multi function binary...
[17:07] <gordonjcp> michealPW: it's pretty much a complete userland for a small Linux system, in a single binary
[17:07] <michealPW> So like, almost the Explorer.exe style? :\
[17:07] <gordonjcp> michealPW: the really groovy thing is you can configure it to only have what you want
[17:07] <michealPW> Or cmd.exe, better analogy?
[17:07] <LarrysDesk> gordonjcp: dr_willis I was told in here to use 'grub-install' during my install.  I don't have 'grub-install' from ubuntu, apparetnly.  INstead I have this 'grub-installer' from "BusyBox".
[17:07] <LarrysDesk> Can I safely proceed or not?
[17:07] <dormito> I have noticed that after being away for a while(now sure how long as i havent had time to test, betwen 5 min and two hours) my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop will be in what appears to be a standby/suspend state(no signal to the monitors, keyboard/mouse do not do anything). but the fans and lights are on. This is inspite of the fact that I have set the power settings to "dont suspent". When I press the power button it  brings up the logon prompt.
[17:07] <dormito> However the keyboard and mouse dont work (they are usb and unpluging repluging does not resolve). Oddly though my webcam(usb) can still perfrom a facial recognition logon, but even then the keyboard/mouse are unresponsive. A after rebooting the keyboard/mouse resume working. I also was unable to find anything that looked like an error in the syslog in the time window for while I was away
[17:08] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: without knowing more about your situation I can't say for certain
[17:08] <svip> wtf libcairo2-dev depends on libcairo-2 1.10.2, but since 1.12.2 is installed, it won't install? o_O
[17:08] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: if you get it wrong you might hose other systems if you dual-boot
[17:08] <michealPW> I also can't say, LarrysDesk. I'm not familiar with BusyBox.
[17:08] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: at worst you can boot off a USB stick and back up your home directory before nuking and paving
[17:09] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: you can pretty much *always* recover your data if stuff goes moderately wrong
[17:09] <jrib> svip: read the description of "install" in « man apt-get ».  You can append a hyphen to a package name and it will be removed.  Though it sounds like you've done something very strange with your repositories
[17:09] <LarrysDesk> gordonjcp: I'm booted from the Installer CD.  I've ctrl-alt-F2'd to the installer's shell.  I'm trying to install grub using the cmd I was told to use.  The problem is that that command does not exist wherre I was told it should exist.
[17:09] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: the worst that'll ever happen is you need to back up, wipe, and reinstall
[17:09] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: go to it and good luck
[17:09] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: incidentally why didn't you just open a terminal in the desktop?
[17:09] <jrib> svip: you don't know why that is happening?  You haven't used unofficial repositories or repositories not meant for your ubuntu version?  Have you installed packages manually?
[17:10] <LarrysDesk> gordonjcp: What desktop?  This is a new install ...
[17:10] <LarrysDesk> I'm in the Installer
[17:10] <gordonjcp> LarrysDesk: the one you get when you boot the install CD
[17:10] <gordonjcp> oh, hang on, did you go into "Install Ubuntu" rather than "Try without installing"?
[17:11] <LarrysDesk> gordonjcp: YEs, because that's what i'm doing -- installing
[17:11] <sukima> Doesn't the installer run grub-install for you? why is that seperate manual step?
[17:12] <LarrysDesk> sukima because I'm installing to a different disk.  I need to tell grub-install which disk to use.
[17:12] <LarrysDesk> and that's what wols told me to do.
[17:13] <dr_willis> i thought the installer had a pull down menu to where to install grub to. and i definatly dont recall being limited to the busibox shell on the installer cds
[17:13] <michealPW> So BusyBox is more for embedded systems, then?
[17:14] <gordonjcp> michealPW: yes
[17:14] <dr_willis> if i install to 'sdb' the gui installer defaulted to sdb for me. or i could have selected sda
[17:14] <michealPW> How is he using BusyBox, wth? :|
[17:14] <gordonjcp> michealPW: if you're feeling hardcore, take a look at buildroot
[17:15] <gordonjcp> michealPW: that lets you cross-build a toolchain, a kernel, uclibc and busybox for a whole bunch of platforms - I've got one I built for a very specific i486-based machine
[17:15] <gordonjcp> michealPW: the kernel is about 4M and the rootfs is about 30M
[17:15] <dr_willis> busybox is part of the initrd. no idea how you would get into its shell from a normal install routine
[17:15] <michealPW> Wow
[17:15] <michealPW> That's crazy
[17:15] <TheRedOctober> Hi all. Why does 'ls' sometimes take a very long time to complete in filesystems with a huge number of files?
[17:16] <gordonjcp> TheRedOctober: complicated reasons related to ls not being very good at dealing with large numbers of files
[17:16] <michealPW> That's pretty cool, actually. So are things like BusyBox what people are putting on their routers and things like that?
[17:17] <gordonjcp> michealPW: yup
[17:17] <michealPW> "people" I should say companies hehe
[17:17] <michealPW> Ah, cool beans! I get it now :)
[17:17] <gordonjcp> michealPW: everyone you talk to who says they don't use Linux - they do if they have a wireless access point, or ADSL modem, or cable modem...
[17:18] <bkfitz> Question 1:  My schweeet new Lenovo X1 carbon arrived.  Is there literally ANY reason to stick with 32bit or is 64bit the clear choice?
[17:18] <bkfitz> Question 2:  12.04 or 12.10... if I go with 12.10 beta 2, can I just do a apt-get update to get to the release version when it comes out later this week?
[17:18] <dr_willis> bkfitz:  yes you can
[17:19] <gordonjcp> bkfitz: in order, not really unless you've got a good specific reason, and yes
[17:19] <dr_willis> i always go 64bit on 64bit hardware
 I miss the Amazon unity lens on my desktop
[17:19] <gordonjcp> but the macbook is sitting in my van
[17:20] <simplew> cant move icons in KDE plasma panel, when i try to move the icon position with the mouse i get this message: Klauncher said: 'preferred' unknown protocol,   anyone knows whats this?
[17:20] <gordonjcp> hrmph, I'll have to shop on Amazon the old-fashioned, hard way
[17:20] <michealPW> gordonjcp: haha, touche :)
[17:20] <simplew> dr_willis: to me
[17:21] <simplew> dr_willis: too me
[17:21] <dr_willis> me too?
[17:21] <dr_willis> ;-)
[17:21] <michealPW> dr_willis: Ah, really? I'm running 32-bit Ubuntu on 64-bit hardware :|
[17:22] <michealPW> I had such a horrific experience on Windows with 64-bit I just automatically picked 32-bit Ubuntu (blush)
[17:22] <michealPW> Driver chaos LOL
[17:23] <michealPW> Should I go with 64-bit 12.10 when I upgrade you think, dr_willis?
[17:23] <dr_willis> you cant upgrade from 32 to 64bit
[17:24] <dr_willis> install 64bit if you want 64bit
[17:25] <michealPW> I understand what the difference is but I don't see what benefit I would have :\
[17:25] <Layke> du -sh /home/layke says I have 66GB in my /home/layke directory
[17:25] <Layke> If I move to it, and then do du -sh * I can't find anything that would add up to 66gb
[17:25] <jrib> Layke: you forgot .*
[17:25] <Layke> Ah, I tried \.*
[17:25] <Layke> Okay thanks.
[17:26] <Layke> Yeah jrib .* doesn't help either
[17:26] <Layke> du -sh .*
[17:26] <jrib> Layke: also, you may prefer using baobab (Disk Usage Analyzer)
[17:26] <Layke> 66G     .
[17:26] <simplew> dr_willis: thats it :)
[17:26] <jrib> Layke: don't use the -s?
[17:27] <jrib> Layke: actually the -s should still spit out a summary for each argument that matched the glob
[17:27] <bkfitz> dr_willis: thx
[17:27] <Layke> jrib, Yeah, I think .* doesn't work the way you think the glob should
[17:27] <Layke> That's why I tried to escape it.
[17:27] <jrib> Layke: :/
[17:27] <Layke> * works
[17:27] <jrib> Layke: why don't you say what you are trying to do
[17:28] <Layke> jrib, My disk is at 100%
[17:28] <Layke> I clearly have some huge log/core dump file
[17:28] <michealPW> So using Ubuntu 12.04 I've installed GNOME 3 and KDE 4 alongside Unity. My wife uses Unity I use GNOME and KDE depending on how I feel at the time hehe... I have had some screensaver issues which I've solved.
[17:28] <Layke> I've tracked the problem down to something within /home/layke]
[17:28] <jrib> Layke: /me guesses ~/.xsession-errors
[17:29] <michealPW> I've solved the GNOME/Unity screensaver issue with Caffeine and the KDE screensaver issue with a shell script.. My question is, how do I make Caffeine only start with GNOME and Unity.. Shell script already only starts with KDE btw.
[17:29] <michealPW> I thought I'd use gdm.. But Ubuntu uses lightdm for all of them LOL! :\
[17:29] <Layke> Nope. 2.7 :)
[17:29] <michealPW> So when I setup the Autstart for Caffeine, I guess lightdm starts it regardless of which desktop environment I select when logging in :\
[17:29] <jrib> Layke: du -h * .* | sort -nr | less
[17:29] <jrib> erm
[17:30] <jrib> Layke: du -s * .* | sort -nr | less
[17:30] <michealPW> So let me ask the question a clearer way haha.. How do I make Caffeine start ONLY for GNOME and Unity but not for KDE? :\
[17:30] <Layke> Give me a minute to let it run :)
[17:30] <jrib> michealPW: that is an interesting question ;)
[17:30] <michealPW> Oh wait I bet I can make a shell script that KDE runs... That just does killall caffeine
[17:30] <michealPW> Right?
[17:30] <michealPW> LMAO hackishly brilliant!
[17:31] <jrib> michealPW: that is an ugly kludge -_-
[17:31] <dormito> I have noticed that after being away for a while(now sure how long as i havent had time to test, betwen 5 min and two hours) my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop will be in what appears to be a standby/suspend state(no signal to the monitors, keyboard/mouse do not do anything). but the fans and lights are on. This is inspite of the fact that I have set the power settings to "dont suspent". When I press the power button it brings up the logon prompt. However
[17:31] <dormito>  the keyboard and mouse dont work (they are usb and unpluging repluging does not resolve). Oddly though my webcam(usb) can still perfrom a facial recognition logon, but even then the keyboard/mouse are unresponsive. A after rebooting the keyboard/mouse resume working. I also was unable to find anything that looked like an error in the syslog in the time window for while I was away
[17:32] <jrib> dormito: output of « xset q » on pastebin
[17:32] <michealPW> LOL jrib I guess you're right :(
[17:33] <trism> michealPW: there is AutostartCondition if you use a .desktop in /etc/xdg/autostart/, though I don't know the full syntax of it (gnome-sound-applet.desktop uses it to only start in gnome-fallback session)
[17:33] <osse> How does gnome-terminal change the colors of the extra 240 colors? I know gnome-terminal has a certain thme on the 16 usual colors, but it seems the other ones (when using TERM=xterm-256color) are different as well.
[17:33] <michealPW> Ah, interesting. Thank you, trism!
[17:33] <michealPW> That at least gives me a place to start hehe 'cause I ran out of ideas
[17:34] <jrib> michealPW: 1) slightly less ugly, but still kludgy: check if unity/gnome is running and only run the app if that's the case or 2) set some sort of environment variable in your session files
[17:34] <jrib> erm that "1)" is in the wrong place :(
[17:34] <michealPW> hehe
[17:34] <michealPW> thx ;)
[17:34] <bourke_> can anyone please tell me how to reset my ecryptfs login password with only the mount passphrase?
[17:35] <dormito> http://pastebin.com/Lx4p0zkX
[17:35] <jrib> trism: oh can you specify that an app only starts for a certain session in a .desktop?
[17:35] <jrib> !encrypt | bourke_
[17:35] <jrib> bourke_: check that wiki article as well as the blog articles referenced.  I think it goes into that
[17:36] <bourke_> jrib: Ive read it, it seems to only tell you have to recover your mount passphrase. any guide ive read assumes you have your login passphrase
[17:36] <wilee-nilee> dormito, Make sure you use the nick of the destination of your post. ;)
[17:37] <jrib> bourke_: I'm just skimming the "recovering your data manually" section but don't see where it requires the login passphrase
[17:38] <dormito> wilee-nilee: ah, thanks
[17:38] <bourke_> jrib: true, but basically Id rather not have to "recover" my data and copy it somewhere else etc.  Ideally I could just reset the login phrase
[17:38] <jrib> bourke_: I see.
[17:38] <bourke_> Maybe Im best off just doing it the hard way though
[17:39] <dormito> jrib: http://pastebin.com/Lx4p0zkX (incase you didnt catch it because I didnt address you)
[17:39] <trism> michealPW: oh, notification-daemon.desktop seems like it might be more like what you want: AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome (maybe you can use kde instead? it appears to be a gnome extension so might not work)
[17:39] <michealPW> Hrmm!
[17:39] <jrib> dormito: weird, your computer shouldn't suspend :x
[17:39] <trism> jrib: a couple of the xdg autostart files have it but it isn't well documented unfortunately
[17:39] <jrib> trism: ah, cool
[17:39] <michealPW> I was reading the freedesktop specification for .desktop files, wasn't getting anywhere. I think GNOME adopts this specification and extends it, maybe? :\
[17:40] <jrib> bourke_: yeah, I guess you'd have to go read a bit more about how the encrypted directories are setup
[17:42] <michealPW> Ack.. The GNOME developers site links back to the freedesktop.org site for the specification :\
[17:42] <michealPW> That's frustrating LOL
[17:42] <michealPW> It has to be documented somewhere haha
[17:43] <jrib> bourke_: I assume if you change your password, then the actual encryption key is re-encrypted with the new login password.  Presumably, this probably happens via PAM.  How you would do it manually though, would require some digging
[17:43] <jrib> "It has to be documented somewhere haha" <-- famous last words
[17:44] <bourke_> jrib: yeah, I think ill just go with the wiki method and hope for the best. thanks for the tips though
[17:44] <jrib> dormito: you can try "xset -dpms" but I think having the timeouts at 0 should already be sufficient.  I'm not sure what's causing your computer to suspend
[17:44] <michealPW> LOL jrib
[17:45] <michealPW> I guess I'll just try to read as many Autostart .desktop files I can find and see if I can't figure it out LOL
[17:45] <jrib> michealPW: if you have kde installed, look for some "kde-y" ones
[17:45] <dormito> jrib: ok I'll try that. I have not been able to reproduce the issue at will so I cant test it right away
[17:46] <michealPW> With GNOME/Nautilus, how do I get an "Open With.." behavior? I right-click on this .desktop but I just have an "Open" option hehe
[17:47] <michealPW> Don't make me use a terminal LOL!
[17:47] <jrib> michealPW: properties, then look for an open with tab.  Or something like that.  It changes every other release...
[17:47] <michealPW> Nautilus sucks so hard ugh :\
[17:49] <michealPW> I found this in one of my .desktop: X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false
[17:49] <dormito> jrib: I did just try a manual suspend and the computer behaved a little different from my issue. the mouse woke it up and the keyboard/mouse worked fine, but in addition to that the fan(in the desktop) turned off or at least went quite. I am not really sure what to make of that
[17:49] <michealPW> I wonder if there's a similar KDE option I can set to false hehe
[17:50] <michealPW> Maybe it's in the Exec key
[17:52] <michealPW> bah maybe not :
[17:52] <michealPW> :\
[17:53] <Guest53743> whats the best irc client for ubuntu
[17:53] <g0bl1n> can Gnome 3 be used on 12.04 ?
[17:53] <michealPW> Wait I think I've got it hehe
[17:53] <nathali> i use irssi
[17:53] <michealPW> I think there's X-GNOME-Autostart-Enabled=boolean and also X-KDE-Autostart-Enabled=boolean
[17:54] <Guest53743> which one is most like mirc
[17:54] <michealPW> brb let me test
[17:54] <jrib> Guest53743: try xchat
[17:56] <michealPW> Righto, now lets test! :)
[17:56] <michealPW> brb
[17:56] <qbmaniac> hey everyone!
[17:57] <qbmaniac> Just wondering, has anyone tried to modify the /etc/hosts file here successfully?
[17:57] <bekks> Sure.
[17:57] <qbmaniac> I would like to reroute an external subdomain (DDNS) to my localhost, so that when I try to connect through MySQL to anyhost.mine.nu the call gets redirected to my localhost
[17:58] <bekks> qbmaniac: <IP_ADDRESS> anyhost.mine.nu
[17:58] <fission6> is there a cron log - i cron a job and its not apparently running
[17:58] <qbmaniac> I added <IP_ADDRESS> mine.nu in /etc/hosts, and <IP_ADDRESS> anyhost.mine.nu there
[17:58] <qbmaniac> And when I do a ping
[17:58] <qbmaniac> it says it is going to <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:58] <qbmaniac> But when I try to connect using MySQL it fails to find the host
[17:59] <qbmaniac> Do I need to specify port as well in the hosts file?
[17:59] <bekks> You cannot specify a port in the /etc/hosts
[17:59] <bekks> qbmaniac: Check wether your mysqld is listening on localhost, too.
[17:59] <qbmaniac> oh
[17:59] <qbmaniac> good point
[18:00] <qbmaniac> I enabled remote connections in mysqld
[18:00] <qbmaniac> Maybe I closed the local ones :P
[18:02] <qbmaniac> oh great
[18:02] <qbmaniac> that worked bekks, I wasn't listening on localhost but I was on the server's IP, so I just changed hosts to point to the IP instead of localhost
[18:02] <qbmaniac> Thanks a lot :)
[18:05] <rigid> where do projects normally maintain their debian/* files (control etc.)? in the main source repository? is there a best-practice?
[18:05] <jrib> rigid: try #ubuntu-motu
[18:05] <rigid> jrib: thanks
[18:05] <gordonjcp> rigid: I've seen a lot of projects where they're right in with the rest of the source files in the debian/ directory
[18:06] <rigid> gordonjcp: ah thanks... currently i keep them in a dir /distros/ubuntu/debian ... i guess that's fine then :)
[18:06] <rigid> ...just asked to be sure
[18:11] <sam1967> anyone know abt synthetic telepathy
[18:12] <JessicaW> looking for help with bnx2 drivers. upgraded to newer drivers to include 10gb cards and now I can't get any of my nics to work.
[18:12] <JessicaW> getting error no such device but lspci | grep -i eth shows the cards
[18:12] <fission6> anyone here well versed in cron issues - i am having issues getting a script to successfully run under cron but works find when explicitly run
[18:12] <JessicaW> and looks like bnx module not loaded.
[18:13] <dr_willis> load the module by hand JessicaW ?
[18:14] <JessicaW> dr_willis: I tried rmmod bnx2 and insmod bnx2 to no avail.
[18:14] <dr_willis> i tend to use modprobe  i recall
[18:14] <JessicaW> I tried that too
[18:15] <dr_willis> load module. check dmesg output fir errors
[18:15] <JessicaW> it replies with could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-44-server/modules.dep
[18:16] <fission6> any ideas  Computer CRON[1844]: (CRON) error (grandchild #1846 failed with exit status 1)
[18:16] <JessicaW> nothing shows in dmesg.
[18:16] <NoSuchNick> If a binary with the same name occours multiple times in my PATH, which one is actually used? Is it the first occourence?
[18:16] <JessicaW> dmesg | grep eth = nothing. same with grep bnx
[18:17] <dr_willis> NoSuchNick: yes
[18:17] <NoSuchNick> dr_willis: Thanks!
[18:17] <bkfitz> Question: New X1 carbon laptop, going to install 12.10, should I leave UEFI enabled or disable it?
[18:17] <dr_willis> not sure what modules.dep does.
[18:18] <jiffe98> question, how are you supposed to chroot apache now with 12.04?
[18:18] <JessicaW> me neither. and to top it off, I can't even get the new driver to make now. was working fine on Friday....
[18:18] <jiffe98> I used to use libapache2-mod-chroot but that is no longer available
[18:19] <lawe> Why do no black people use Ubuntu?
[18:19] <ghabit> Help please - looks like updating stucked at "ttf-mscorefonts-installer: downloading  http://downloads.souceforge.net/corefonts/georgi32.exe"
[18:19] <ghabit> and nothing is happening.
[18:20] <bekks> ghabit: Do you use 12.10?
[18:20] <ghabit> bekks, i'm trying to upgrade 12.04 to 12.10 now.
[18:20] <ghabit> And this is the process of updating.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> lawe, how do you know they don't ?
[18:21] <lawe> They never come to projects, I generally have never heard of a black person using Ubuntu
[18:22] <Myrtti> lawe: did you have a support question?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> what ptojects?
[18:22] <lawe> MYRITTI: NO
[18:22] <dr_willis> wonder why it would rediwnliad that. exe
[18:22] <JessicaW> dr_willis: oO.... none of my modules are loaded!
[18:22] <lawe> BluesKaj: open source projects
[18:23] <dr_willis> !find modules.dep
[18:24] <mrgt> I'm using update manager and getting the following error - "Package Operation Failed". I get this in the details pane http://pastebin.com/Y7XyCSwa. How can I resolve this?
[18:25] <kostkon> mrgt, try:  sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:25] <dr_willis> JessicaW:   try   depmod -a
[18:26] <mrgt> kostkon, will do.
[18:27] <JessicaW> dr_willis: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-44-server: no such file or directory
[18:27] <JessicaW> dr_willis: HOLY CRAP. ls /lib/modules.... it's EMPTY.
[18:28] <dr_willis> im glad i rarely need to mess with kernel stuff....
[18:28] <dr_willis> what kernel are you running now?
[18:28] <JessicaW> dr_willis: well, now I know what the problem is.
[18:29] <JessicaW> dr_willis: 2.6.32-44-server
[18:29] <JessicaW> dr_willis: 10.04.4
[18:29] <dr_willis> kernel kapers and khaos. :(
[18:30] <michealPW> Argh!
[18:30] <michealPW> LOL I broke KDE :(
[18:30] <dr_willis> rest it over my head these days.
[18:30] <JessicaW> dr_willis: I have another server running identical install. I'm going to copy modules from there.
[18:30] <JessicaW> brb
[18:31] <michealPW> Every time I log-in to KDE it seems as though it loads up fine but the bar at the bottom with my K launcher is unresponsive. Can't seem to properly log-out of KDE either. I tried alt+f2 and used sudo shutdown now but that didn't work
[18:31] <michealPW> It started to shutdown but then froze during the shutdown :\
[18:32] <se> hi
[18:32] <michealPW> I think it's the KDE session that's broken. I set it to start with an empty session, maybe that's what did it. How do I clear KDE's sessions so it will create a new one upon login?
[18:32] <mrgt> kostkon, I tried what you suggested but when I go to the update manager again it still says that there are software updates available.
[18:33] <mrgt> kostkon, I went to install again and get the same error.
[18:34] <kostkon> mrgt, did you get any errors or warnings after giving the command ive given you above
[18:34] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> thanks so much for your programming hours ubuntu team, pheonominal segue from windows in '06 for me, about to hit lucky 7 from your famous box!
[18:35] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> I thought PC-BSD would superceed ubuntu though it failed to
[18:35] <mrgt> kostkon, when I ran the command I got this output http://pastebin.com/969Nf3Xr
[18:35] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> the only other distro I would call "of choice" besides ubuntu and PC-BSD would be sidux with the slh kernel
[18:36] <kostkon> mrgt, what version of ubuntu is it
[18:36] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> I don't know how I can say "thanks" other than the ntsc filter on 2 mode blending is great for some public domain martial arts 70's films
[18:36] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> vlc
[18:37] <user> hi. Does anyone know a program I can get with synaptic that lets me disable services?
[18:37] <mrgt> kostkon, 12.04
[18:37] <theadmin> MY`Pawl[WuTang]: I'm sure the developers would appreciate this. However, this channel is support-only, please understand and try to keep on topic.
[18:37] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> oh I'm sorry, is there a general ubuntu chat fan chan?
[18:37] <theadmin> MY`Pawl[WuTang]: #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:38] <MY`Pawl[WuTang]> thx peace from sonjitos dot
[18:38] <kostkon> mrgt, ok, just give this cmd and post the output somewhere:  apt-cache policy linux-headers-generic-pae && apt-cache policy nitruxos
[18:41] <rachelfish> Okay #ubuntu, I'm fed up with this
[18:41] <bkfitz> Question:  If I have a SSD, does it matter where (beginning or end) of disk i put the / and swap partitions??
[18:41] <rachelfish> how do I restart bluetooth without restarting my computer?
[18:41] <rachelfish> I have a bluetooth pcmcia card and if I walk out of range and my device disconnects without "cleanly" disconnecting
[18:41] <rachelfish> ubuntu takes a shit on itself
[18:41] <rachelfish> rubs it around
[18:41] <rachelfish> and refuses to reconnect
[18:41] <mrgt> kostkon, I seem to have narrowed it down a bit. I installed updates one-by-one using update manager and the error seems to be coming from "system-v-like utilities". Here's the output from the command http://pastebin.com/Vzyqnw7U
[18:42] <rachelfish> sudo service bluetooth restart doesn't work
[18:42] <theadmin> Is there any UFS support in Ubuntu? Must I install some package for it?
[18:42] <bekks> theadmin: Read only.
[18:42] <theadmin> bekks: Sounds good enough
[18:43] <mrgt> kostkon, brb
[18:44] <theadmin> bekks: Still though, "mount.ufs" doesn't seem to exist
[18:44] <bkfitz> Question:  If I have a SSD, does it matter where (beginning or end) of disk i put the / and swap partitions??
[18:44] <crizis> does it ever?
[18:44] <theadmin> bkfitz: It shouldn't matter regardless of the drive type
[18:44] <bekks> theadmin: sudo apt-get install ufsutils... :)
[18:44] <ThinkT510> bkfitz: no, but i'd avoid swap on an ssd
[18:44] <theadmin> bekks: Thanks, that's what I was looking for :)
[18:48] <bkfitz> ThinkT510: no choice
[18:48] <michealPW> How do I clear my KDE sessions?
[18:48] <bkfitz> only have SSD
[18:49] <michealPW> Maybe I can do dpkg-reconfigure kde-base ?
[18:49] <michealPW> Hrmm
[18:50] <k1l_> bkfitz: do you really need swap?
[18:51] <theadmin> k1l_ raises a valid point, bkfitz... You don't really *need* swap nowadays (apart from maybe on Gentoo)
[18:51] <mrgt> kostkon, back
[18:51] <k1l_> bkfitz: swap ist only used for suspend2disk (most systems have enough ram to not need swap). and on ssds there is no beginning and ending in the old hdd view
[18:51] <mrgt> kostkon, so you got any ideas?
[18:51] <Lockscreen> Anione knows a tool for editing a distro live DVD before install?
[18:51] <kostkon> mrgt, how many packages are now listed in the update manager?
[18:51] <gorbeh> Hi, since i ran an update (precise) the other day my flash player crashes and chrome was actualy killing my xsessiom when i started it, any ideas what might be causeing this
[18:52] <mrgt> kostkon, 2. System-v-like utilities and ubuntu icon theme.
[18:52] <DiegoFoca> d
[18:52] <bekks> Lockscreen: You cant edit a DVD media after it has been deployed on the media.
[18:52] <gorbeh> II removed nvidia driver and it stopped chrome dieing but flash is still borked
[18:53] <Lockscreen> I mean Iso image
[18:53] <kostkon> mrgt, try: apt-cache policy sysvutils
[18:53] <BluesKaj> k1l_, if you already have 4 primary partitions without a swap you can make a swap file,  http://digitizor.com/2011/02/06/create-swap-file-ubuntu-linux/
[18:53] <bekks> Lockscreen: Extract the contents, modify them, create a new ISO file.
[18:54] <Lockscreen> Anione knows a tool for editing a distro live .iso image before install?
[18:54] <Lockscreen> there is no automated tool?
[18:54] <mrgt> kostkon,  Installed: (none)
[18:54] <mrgt>   Candidate: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45
[18:54] <mrgt>   Version table:
[18:54] <mrgt>      2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu45 0
[18:54] <mrgt>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy/main i386 Packages
[18:54] <bekks> Lockscreen: No.
[18:54] <FloodBot1> mrgt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:54] <Lockscreen> thanks
[18:54] <gorbeh> Any one can help me get flash player working? It crashes very quickly since my last update on prescise
[18:54] <kostkon> mrgt, hardy??
[18:55] <mrgt> kostkon, ?
[18:55] <kostkon> mrgt, give:  nano /etc/apt/sources.list and post the contents of the file somewhere
[18:55] <bkfitz> kil: interesting point
[18:55] <kostkon> mrgt, better:  gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:55] <bkfitz> kil: just assumed you had to have a swap space... what if you run out of ram
[18:55] <jbohren> wow... hardy... seriously?
[18:55] <ThinkT510> !remaster | Lockscreen
[18:56] <dummy> hi, can somebody help me please. I installed linux-mint and everything worked fine but then i install the addtional graphic driver from ATI and now after rebooting i can only boot in the text-mode there is no gui (only text). Can somebody tell me how i can delete the ATI drive and can install the default graphic driver? Thanks.
[18:56] <bekks> !linuxmint | dummy
[18:56] <DJones> !mint | dummy
[18:56] <bkfitz> kil: I guess if an app needs more ram and i run out, it will get it from another app, not expand on to swap
[18:56] <Lockscreen> thanks
[18:57] <k1l_> bkfitz: yes
[18:57] <Lockscreen> thanks ubottu
[18:57] <McClein> hi, is it possible to reach a pc behind a router with ssh?
[18:57] <theadmin> dummy: sudo apt-get remove fglrx, but for further support please visit irc://irc.spotchat.org/linuxmint-help
[18:57] <theadmin> McClein: Once you configure port forwarding on your router, sure.
[18:57] <k1l_> bkfitz: but dont think your whole ram is used strictly
[18:57] <McClein> can you explain me a little theadmin ?
[18:58] <DiegoFoca> I have a problem when i downloading anything, when the download start i can't surfing the Internet, why ?
[18:58] <mrgt> kostkon, http://pastebin.com/UMeDFasU
[18:58] <dummy> theadmin, thanks i will try
[18:58] <theadmin> McClein: Honestly depends on your router model and firmware, but basically you need to forward requests to port 22 of your public IP to your home computer
[18:58] <bkfitz> kil: I have 4g ram and a 256ssd... but I do some pretty hard work on it... postgres with spatial support... pretty intensive apps
[18:59] <k1l_> bkfitz: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/  most ram is just caches which can be sorted out without problems. if you dont know of things that will use your whole ram (like heavy photo/video work, or virtualizing etc) you wont need a swap
[18:59] <bkfitz> kil: i can see why swap is dangerous on an ssd though
[18:59] <McClein> i did it theadmin but i can't log in the external ip
[18:59] <bkfitz> kil: do plan to run winxp or maybe even windows 8(hate) in virtualbox
[18:59] <k1l_> bkfitz: keep in mind, that using swap comes back from the days when ram was 64MB and it was expensive as hell.
[18:59] <bekks> McClein: You cant do so when being in your LAN behind the router.
[19:00] <bekks> McClein: You have to test it from "outside".
[19:00] <kostkon> mrgt, ok, try this:  give:  gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and in the last two lines replace the word "hardy" with "precise" and then save the file and close gedit
[19:00] <theadmin> McClein: This isn't really an Ubuntu question, though. Doubt anyone can help.
[19:00] <k1l_> bkfitz: the usecase of swap as reserve ram is not the same theese days. its getting slow as hell if your system needs to swap
[19:00] <bkfitz> kil: almost better to just have the OS wait for or borrow ram than to swap is what you are saying
[19:00] <McClein> thanks
[19:00] <bkfitz> kil: and if I don't have swp, then the os has no choice
[19:01] <mrgt> kostkon, done
[19:01] <kostkon> mrgt, after doing that, give again: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:01] <k1l_> bkfitz: i wouldnt recommend to use a swap. i would increase the ram if really needed
[19:01] <michealPW> How do I use dpkg-reconfigure? I tried dpkg-reconfigure kde-plasma-desktop but it's not working :\
[19:01] <bkfitz> kil: hmmm... just hate to get the whole thing installed, then find a reason to have it... guess I need to decide now if I want hibernate
[19:01] <michealPW> Do I have to remove --purge kde and reinstall it, I guess? :\
[19:02] <k1l_> bkfitz: you could always make a swap partition afterwards and put it into fstab
[19:02] <BluesKaj> bkfitz, http://digitizor.com/2011/02/06/create-swap-file-ubuntu-linux/ ..it's not a bad thiung to have a swap either partition or even a aswap file .
[19:03] <bkfitz> kil: good point again :)  I'll go with no swap for now and can always vi fstab :) thx again
[19:03] <DiegoFoca> anyone may help me ?
[19:03] <michealPW> WTH? I do apt-get remove kde-plasma-desktop
[19:03]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[19:04] <michealPW> ... And apt-get says it will remove kde-plasma-desktop but then install kde-plasma-netbook ... WTH is going on? I just want to reinstall KDE 'cause it's broken.
[19:04] <michealPW> :\
[19:04] <bkfitz> kil: do you know if 12.10 has TRIM enabled by default
[19:04] <jrib> michealPW: how is it broken?  Reinstalling won't likely change anything
[19:04] <BluesKaj> mic then install kubuntu-desktop
[19:04] <BluesKaj> michealPW,^
[19:04] <k1l_> bkfitz: sry dont know. installed a 11.10 back then and there i had to make it manually
[19:05] <michealPW> jrib: It seems to be totaly unresponsive when I log-in, then throws up errors but since it's unresponsive I can't really read them or submit their reports etc.
[19:05] <JessicaW> dr_willis: all better
[19:05] <michealPW> Nothing seems to work in KDE. I can't log-out, shutdown or anything LOL. I figure the session is broken? Iunno :\
[19:05] <jrib> michealPW: see if it happens with a fresh new user
[19:05] <michealPW> I honestly don't even know where KDE came from. It came with something in Ubuntu Software Center haha
[19:05] <michealPW> k, I'll try a new user brb
[19:06] <mrgt> kostkon, woop! It worked :)
[19:06] <mrgt> kostkon, thanks!
[19:06] <michealPW> I seem to have Edubuntu merged into this Ubuntu 12.04 system + GNOME 3 haha
[19:06] <michealPW> I think Edubuntu is what brought KDE.
[19:06] <kostkon> mrgt, nice! :)
[19:06] <michealPW> At first it replaced ligthdm with kdm but then I switched it back to lightdm