[02:08] <db_dev> Hi!  I've been looking into ubuntu touch and I am wondering if anyone has tried to port to a dragonboard 8074
[02:08] <db_dev> it's a basic snapdragon 800 series with adreno 330
[04:54] <Mirv> mzanetti: could you test the (possible&partial) PPA fix for bug #1357321, since you know the symptoms?
[04:55] <Mirv> lpotter: or is it not very useful to have the fix for 1) without the fix for 2)? or can the tester simply try removing libqgenericbearer.so for testing?
[05:05] <lpotter> both are needed. but more work is needed on that dang plugin to get it to work properly.
[05:09] <lpotter> it hasn't really been updated in two/three years
[05:14] <Mirv> ok.
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> why does downow not use the download folder for incomming files? can i change this?
[06:13] <slvn> Hi !
[06:14] <slvn> I develop a native application for ubuntu touch and I still have two issues :
[06:14] <slvn> 1/ is it possible to hide the "appmenu" (top status bar) in fullscreen ?? (or to know through MIR, the size of screen minus the appmenu)
[06:15] <slvn> 2/ is it possible to force the app to start in Portait or Landscape
[06:15] <slvn> thanks for help...
[06:34] <Mirv> slvn: there might be more people around in a few hours, but anyway you might want to join #ubuntu-app-devel and present those questions there, as they are more directly suited over there
[06:43] <slvn> Mirv, ok thanks !
[07:33] <mardy> mpt: did you see my e-mail from yesterday, about the authorization dialog?
[07:34] <mpt> mardy, ah yes, I started replying but didn’t finish
[07:43] <mardy> mpt: thanks. Also, I need your feedback on bug 1372860
[07:51] <mardy> thostr_: hi! bug 1374394 is essentially the same as bug 1352251; I would suggest that you mark it as a duplicate and move the tags to 1352251
[07:58] <K1773R> having problems with updates. it just hangs and dosnt download/install anything at all. restarting dosnt help.
[07:58] <K1773R> also having problems with SIM PIN, i no longer get the "Enter PIN" Button. its just always "Unknown" so i have to enter it with ofono-scripts.
[07:59] <K1773R> im on devel
[07:59] <K1773R> popped up 1-2 days ago
[08:11] <vitimiti> Hi
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Mental Health Day! :-D
[08:16] <thostr_> mardy: done
[08:18] <mardy> thostr_: thanks
[08:36] <mzanetti> Mirv: installing the ppa to see where we are
[08:42] <Mirv> mzanetti: thanks! try also that removing of the generic file.
[08:43] <mzanetti> yep
[09:20] <mardy> mpt: here's a nice question: if I create an Evernote account, and then the Evernote account plugin gets uninstalled, currently in OA we still show the account (but with no name or icon, since they went with the plugin)
[09:20] <mardy> mpt: should we hide the account from the UI, or should we show in some error state to inform the user that he needs to reinstall the plugin if he wants to get this account working?
[09:21] <mpt> mardy, I’d just hide the account … If you’re uninstalling plugins you know what you’re doing
[09:22] <mardy> mpt: makes sense, thanks
[10:41] <popey> lolz ubuntu-emulator... "Unknown command `start', did you mean `destroy'?"
[10:41] <popey> Uh. no.
[10:54] <K1773R> having problems with updates. it just hangs and dosnt download/install anything at all. restarting dosnt help.
[10:54] <K1773R> also having problems with SIM PIN, i no longer get the "Enter PIN" Button. its just always "Unknown" so i have to enter it with ofono-scripts.$
[10:54] <K1773R> im on devel
[11:01] <daker> K1773R: you need to edit /var/lib/urfkill/saved-states and set WWAN soft=false , then restart your device
[11:03] <mpt> kemmko1, do you have a screenshot/mockup handy of the HERE checkbox in the first-run setup?
[11:04] <mpt> Also, who are the engineers working on the location service?
[11:05] <K1773R> daker: it is already false
[11:05] <mpt> lool, is it you? (You’re the only individual subscriber to location-service bug reports)
[11:05] <daker> K1773R: is your device on flight mode ?
[11:05] <K1773R> daker: no its not
[11:06] <mpt> Hmm, the only location-service bugs I see assigned are assigned to tvoss
[11:07] <daker> K1773R: for the updates, you can enable developer mode, then do : phablet-shell -> sudo -i to get root access
[11:07] <daker> K1773R: then run $ system-image-cli -v
[11:07] <kemmko1> mpt:  yes
[11:08] <kemmko1> mpt:  will ping it to you
[11:08] <mpt> ow
[11:08] <kemmko1> mpt:  ow?
[11:09] <mpt> Something pinged me in the back. ;-)
[11:09] <K1773R> daker: ok, no errors. do you want the output?
[11:09] <daker> K1773R: sure
[11:10] <K1773R> daker: http://pastebin.com/ycuprrYA
[11:11] <daker> K1773R: ok, system-image-cli -i
[11:12] <K1773R> daker: http://pastebin.com/9dpjDMau
[11:14] <daker> K1773R: uour device is already updated
[11:14] <dpm> hey seb128, quick question: other than adding X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes and approving the template, is there anything else that is needed to get bug 1379754 fixed? It seems the upstream project already uses cmake to build a .pot, not sure if there is anything else that needs to be done in the package
[11:15] <K1773R> daker: in the system options at updates it shows the following updates "payui, webapp-gmail, calculator, gallery, file manager, camera". once i say update (no matter which one) it hangs and never downloads anything
[11:16] <beuno> K1773R, so
[11:16] <beuno> that's likely an expired session
[11:16] <beuno> a known bug
[11:17] <beuno> log into U1 again
[11:17] <K1773R> beuno: U1? ubuntu one?
[11:21] <K1773R> after closing the system settings and opening it again, it searches for updates again and i have to select which packages to update. tough nothing happens if i select something to update
[11:30] <beuno> K1773R, yes, Ubuntu One
[11:30] <beuno> go to Online Accounts
[11:30] <beuno> remove it, add it again
[11:30] <beuno> or, go to the app scope
[11:30] <beuno> and try to install a new app, it should ask you to log back in, if you're in a new enough version
[11:31] <K1773R> beuno: thanks alot! worked :)
[11:37] <beuno> K1773R, gatox is fixing that bug for you, btw  :)
[11:38] <K1773R> gatox: thanks too :P
[11:41] <lool> mpt: for the wizard, mterry did the work; for location-service in general tvoss and I
[11:59] <seb128> dpm, let me check, but I don't think so
[12:03] <dpm> ok, thanks
[12:20] <mpt> lool, can you tell me what happens if someone checks “Allow apps to use your mobile and Wi-Fi networks to determine your location”, but does *not* check “Accept the HERE conditions to enable these services”? Do we then use Wi-Fi+cell at all, or just GPS?
[12:26] <lool> mpt: we would only use GPS
[12:26] <mpt> lool, so if you don’t check the second checkbox, the first has no effect
[12:27] <lool> mpt: that's right
[12:27] <lool> mpt: this might change as we add providers in the future
[12:27] <mpt> lool, what about if you check the second checkbox but not the first? Is it again only GPS used?
[12:27] <lool> mpt: the way HERE is integrated right now is not right; it shouldn't be specially handled; instead, we should use this general checkbox and we shoudl show the license from a click install
[12:28] <lool> mpt: hmm I'm not sure the generic checkbox affects behavior of HERE
[12:28] <lool> checking with tvoss
[12:38] <brunogirin> Hi, my nexus4 on r243 has been unable to update for several days, when I do "sudo apt-get update" in the terminal, it tells me that it get a 404 on http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/utopic/universe/binary-armhf/Packages any idea how I can fix that?
[12:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, good morning!
[12:39] <jgdx> kenvandine, remember we talked about [1] and how urfkill could be the cause of the two times this failed? I think urfkill has fixed the bugs involved, so could you try again? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-data-not-preserved-after-fm-fixes-1376957/+merge/237586
[12:40] <popey> brunogirin: I'd switch to the rtm channel, that image is ooooold
[12:43] <brunogirin> popey: OK, how do I do that? do I just do ubuntu-device-flash --channel=rtm ?
[12:43] <popey> do --list-channels
[12:43] <popey> I'd use the rtm 14.09 one
[12:45] <brunogirin> popey: so that would be ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 ?
[12:45] <popey> looks good
[12:47] <brunogirin> popey: thanks, doing that now; then I can do the nexus 7 too :)
[12:48] <brunogirin> popey: it suddenly gives meaning to some of the discussions I saw on the mailing list that I didn't understand about the rtm channel...
[12:50] <K1773R> if i change channels, what will be overwritten? ie, system.img or just some stuff and the other things arent being touched.
[12:57] <brunogirin> K1773R: I just did that and it kept all my contacts, messages, installed apps, etc
[12:59] <popey> yeah, so long as you don't "--wipe" you'll be good
[12:59] <K1773R> even things i installed with apt?
[13:02] <ogra_> no
[13:04] <ogra_> well
[13:04] <ogra_> the apt database will be wiped
[13:05] <ogra_> stuff might still be left around from former installed packages though
[13:05] <K1773R> so i should remove the packages i installed and then change channels, afterwards reinstalling those packages? if so, what is the default list of packages so i know which to remove
[13:07]  * ogra_ would just back up the homedir and do a wipe or bootstrap install
[13:08] <ogra_> (and refrain from using apt if possible ... it just messes up things)
[13:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[13:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I was just wondering, my Nexus 7, its still running ubuntu 14.10 (r243), is it recomended to move to RTM or should I have gotten an update, I see a lot of updates for gallery etc, but can't install them, they just wont download, and I was wondering how I could solve that on the Nexus7
[13:32] <lool> mpt: so it's as I thought: the setting isn't implemented in HERE, but the plan is to honor it when we have more providers
[13:33] <mpt> lool, so right now, HERE is our only provider, but it *ignores* whether you’ve checked the Wi-Fi/cell checkbox?
[13:34] <lool> mpt: yes
[13:34] <mpt> So if HERE isn’t used, the first checkbox does nothing, and if it is used, the first checkbox also does nothing
[13:34] <lool> mpt: yup
[13:34] <ogra_> ChloeWolfieGirl, the U1 account tokens were all re-set ... you might need to delete the account and newly add it on the device (there was a mail about that on the ubuntu-phone ML)
[13:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl> ogra The apps are upgrading now, that you, I was worried that my version of Ubuntu Touch didn't have all the features and just wasn't upgrading to the latest version of Ubuntu Touch, thank you! ^^
[13:39] <mpt_> lool, is there a bug report on HERE ignoring the setting?
[13:40] <lool> mpt_: I dont think so
[13:50] <pmcgowan> mpt_, what change is needed per https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1377286
[13:50] <pmcgowan> in settings?
[13:51] <mpt_> pmcgowan, as I said, changing the text of the “Notifications” screen
[13:51] <mpt_> It currently refers to the “Notification Centre”, and we don’t call anything by that name any more
[13:52] <pmcgowan> mpt_, ok sorry was not clear to me
[13:52] <pmcgowan> mpt_, settings already says Notifications
[13:52] <pmcgowan> so thats correct right?
[13:53] <pmcgowan> oh i see
[13:53] <pmcgowan> in the text
[14:02] <mpt> lool, so since the first checkbox does nothing, we’ll get rid of it :-)
[14:02] <mpt> lool, now to your other point: When you said “we shou[ld] show the license from a click install”, how would that work given HERE is installed by default?
[14:03] <kenvandine> mterry, testing the wizard refresh silo, wizard keeps crashing
[14:03] <mterry> kenvandine, oh great
[14:03] <lool> mpt: we could special case installation of a click with license during first boot
[14:03] <kenvandine> and unity-system-compositor
[14:03] <lool> mpt: it's just that there is no way to deal with addition/removals of providers right now; it ought to be like for apps and scopes eventually
[14:03] <kenvandine> mterry, lets see if whoopsie uploads it and i'll get you the crash report
[14:03] <lool> perhaps with an app to enable/disable it
[14:04] <kenvandine> mterry, it crashes everything i hit continue on the first screen
[14:05] <mterry> kenvandine, ok that would be the language changing probably...
[14:05] <kenvandine> mterry, ok, 4th try i got through the wizard
[14:05] <mterry> kenvandine, I'll play with it and see what I can get
[14:05] <kenvandine> mterry, ok
[14:05] <kenvandine> i'll try to get you a link to the crash report
[14:07] <mterry> kenvandine, silo 008 for utopic, right?
[14:07] <kenvandine> mterry, yes
[14:10] <mpt> lool, hmm, what criteria would make choice of location providers interesting to users?
[14:12] <lool> mpt: we might have one that sends data to the mozilla database, another one that is better in this or that conditions etc.
[14:12] <mpt> lool, well, by “what criteria” I mean in what conditions :-)
[14:13] <lool> mpt: some might have better databases in this or that region for instance; or intrude more or less in your privacy
[14:13] <lool> mpt: also, the license acceptance is currently per user, so we'd want a per user view of the enabled providers eventually -- today the acceptance is per user but the provider is launched system wide
[14:14] <mpt> Ok, privacy vs. coverage is a tangible choice (though an unpleasant one)
[14:14] <lool> mpt: actually looking at my krillin settings in french right now and not sure where you mean the wifi and cell setting is? is that indicator, settings app or wizard?
[14:15] <mpt> lool, it’s in the first-run setup … I was adapting it to System Settings, when I realized, “hang on, this looks a little redundant”
[14:16] <lool> mpt: let me check what this one does
[14:19] <lool> mpt: it seems the wording isn't great but that this turns on location overall
[14:19] <lool> mterry: do I understand correctly from the code that "Use your mobile network and Wi-Fi to work out where you are" actually turns location on / off globally?
[14:20] <mterry> lool, that does the same thing as the indicator toggle labeled "Location detection"
[14:20] <lool> mterry: right; so that's generally turning location on / off, including hardware GPS
[14:22] <mpt> oh bother
[14:23] <mterry> lool, is there a better setting to toggle?
[14:23] <kenvandine> Wellark, testing apneditor, it does activate the internet apn and it does work for data!
[14:24] <kenvandine> Wellark, the mms context isn't showing as active though
[14:24] <lool> mterry: I think it's the wording which isn't good
[14:24] <kenvandine> and if i try to send an mms, the messaging-app tells me my sim is locked
[14:24] <kenvandine> Wellark, ^^
[14:24] <lool> mterry: it suggests gsm / wifi positioning is being toggled when really location detection is being toggled
[14:24] <lool> mterry: you could set it on to use just the GPS hardware provider
[14:24] <oSoMoN> ogra_, hey, I’m getting the messaging-app crashing consistently when launched (even across reboots), and the crash file in /var/crash/ doesn’t contain a core file, do you know how I can get one?
[14:25] <kenvandine> Wellark, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8533224/
[14:25] <lool> oSoMoN: maybe, ~root/.config/apport/settings can have a [main] section with unpackaged=True
[14:25] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, apport/whoopsie should create one ... ask ev or bdmurray
[14:25] <mpt> lool, mterry: So if you have that checkbox unchecked, and the HERE checkbox checked, it will use Wi-Fi and cell data but *not* GPS?
[14:25] <mterry> lool, maybe Design now intends it to toggle HERE and if it's on, to enable the T&C checkbox which would become a requirement before user presses Continue...  But Design didn't mention that, so I assumed it continued to do what it has always done
[14:25] <lool> oSoMoN: or ~phablet
[14:26] <lool> not sure
[14:26] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, can you test the apneditor in silo 20?
[14:26] <mterry> kemmko, ^
[14:26] <mterry> kemmko, we're talking about what the checkboxes on the Location OOBE page do
[14:26] <mpt> mterry, I’ve been talking with kemmko about this, she’s a little busy right now :-)
[14:27] <lool> mpt: I dont think we will support enabling just HERE; hardware GPS will always be turned on when looking for a location -- unless location is disabled entirely
[14:27] <mpt> ok
[14:27] <mpt> So the choices should be: (a) no location detection, (b) GPS only, (c) GPS+HERE
[14:27] <mterry> mpt, then do you know what the intention for those checkboxes was?
[14:28] <mterry> We still can't enable HERE after the wizard, right?
[14:28] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, yep in about 30
[14:29] <tvoss> mpt, also: I would argue that we should rename GPS -> satellite-based positioning to capture other networks like GLONASS
[14:29] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, thx
[14:30] <mpt> mterry, I do not, and I would rather that there was just one checkbox, but those three choices require more than one checkbox
[14:30] <mterry> kenvandine, you said the crash was reliablish?
[14:30] <mterry> kenvandine, tried twice and it worked, will keep at it
[14:30] <kenvandine> very
[14:30] <kenvandine> took me the 4th try to get through it
[14:30] <dobey> mpt: what aobut GPS+wifi, but not with HERE?
[14:30] <kenvandine> mterry, image 276
[14:30] <mterry> mpt, it does seem like user wants a "make location work like I expect" button
[14:31] <mpt> tvoss, true (and the same will happen with “Cellular” -> “Mobile” eventually), but right now, I think {people who understand the term “GPS”} >> {people who understand any other accurate term}
[14:31] <tvoss> mterry, I would argue that's the equivalent of: Enable network-based positioning, including a description of the potential privacy implications
[14:32] <tvoss> mpt, fair point
[14:32] <mpt> dobey, as with GLONASS, if/when that becomes an issue, we can change the text/UI then :-)
[14:32] <dobey> mpt: well my understanding of the current code, is that it is an issue now :)
[14:33] <mpt> dobey, in the code, yes. In providers that are available to install, not as far as I know.
[14:33] <lool> mterry: +1
[14:34] <lool> mpt, tvoss: ANyway isn't this setting about whether apps get access to location at all?
[14:34] <lool> so it could be labelled "Allow apps to get my location"
[14:34] <tvoss> lool, nope, that's what the trust-store prompt is for
[14:34] <mpt> heh
[14:34] <dobey> mpt: is HERE available on anything other than krillin?
[14:34] <mpt> Has anyone tested whether trust-store just goes “NOPE” if this setting is turned off?
[14:35] <mpt> Or whether it puts up a prompt that has no effect?
[14:35] <mterry> kenvandine, I'm on 276+silo 008
[14:35] <lool> tvoss: that's how it's worded in the settings
[14:35] <lool> tvoss: under privacy
[14:35] <kenvandine> mterry, dunno... want the crash files?
[14:35] <mterry> kenvandine, do you actually switch language or just go through the language screen?
[14:35] <lool> tvoss: I'm not speaking per app, I mean the global one
[14:35] <kenvandine> mterry, no, not switching
[14:36] <kenvandine> just clicking continue crashed it
[14:36] <kenvandine> and crashed unity-system-compositor
[14:36] <mterry> kenvandine, !  really
[14:37] <mpt> dobey, you’re asking the wrong person there … I see the checkbox on Nexus, but that doesn’t mean the code exists
[14:37] <kenvandine> mterry, i even rebooted several times
[14:37] <mpt> lool, tvoss: Your confusion is understandable. Probably the UI should mention that you’ll be prompted for each app
[14:38] <mterry> kenvandine, alright, tried 5 times so far.  Whatever is happening just doesn't seem to mind my mako
[14:38] <mterry> kenvandine, do you have a sim card in?
[14:38] <lool> dobey: it's available on mako, yes
[14:38] <kenvandine> mterry, no
[14:38] <mterry> kenvandine, nor do i...
[14:38] <dobey> mpt: right. and even though i've never accepted the HERE TOS on my nexus5, and gps doesn't actually work, it still does wifi match
[14:38] <lool> dobey: quality is not necessarily the same on both as that depends on the modem and wifi drivers
[14:40] <mpt> dobey, that’s a bug then
[14:40] <dobey> lool: i'm concerned about this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1378480
[14:40] <lool> dobey: the indicator state is known broken
[14:40] <lool> dobey: HERE location will honor the setting quite hard, but can only be set during wizard right now
[14:41] <lool> otherwise, location is currently always on AIUI
[14:41] <dobey> lool: it's not just the indicator. it is turned on again in system settings after i reboot, every time i turn it off
[14:41] <lool> dobey: sure, I mean the setting overall
[14:41] <nik90|Lunch> charles: ping
[14:42] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok... i can still reproduce the cellular issue when toggling FM
[14:42] <kenvandine> jgdx, but i noticed something
[14:42] <kenvandine> when i enable FM and quickly close the indicator
[14:42] <kenvandine> i see the selector switch from 2g to off
[14:42] <dobey> lool: yes, and i mean i don't want wifi based location turned on ever. only ever gps when i do turn it on. and when i turn it off, i want it to stay off, and not be leaking my location to whatever service it's getting the network ip resolution from
[14:43] <lool> mpt: sounds like we need to update the wording in the various places; the number of settings and their function seems ok, it's just the wording which is not too clear
[14:43] <kenvandine> before it actually goes to FM
[14:43] <lool> dobey: if you never accepted HERE terms, it wont ever be on
[14:43] <kenvandine> so when i disable FM, it goes back to off
[14:43] <mpt> lool, the reason I got involved in this in the first place is bug 1375322
[14:43] <dobey> lool: but it is
[14:43] <kenvandine> so something is switching the tech pref to off while enabling FM
[14:44] <jgdx> kenvandine, I saw that too, but it came back. What rev are you on?
[14:45] <kenvandine> 95
[14:45] <kenvandine> rtm
[14:45] <mterry> kenvandine, so yeah if you can get me the crash files I may be able to figure something out
[14:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's actually failing more reliably now that it did the other day
[14:46] <kemmko> mterry:  mpt: on it! and I think we have a solution
[14:46] <mpt> kenvandine, I’m sorry this is taking so long, I just dipped into it and got my foot covered in tar
[14:48] <kemmko> mterry:  mpt: we will combine the checkbox into one
[14:50] <kemmko> mterry:  mpt: maybe not
[14:53] <kenvandine> mpt, i see that :)
[14:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, well, that's something
[15:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, I'll do some more testing. Thanks again.
[15:00] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's weird, i think it has to do with whatever is changing the selector
[15:00] <kenvandine> i guess a signal from ofono?
[15:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, you see the single sim ui, so it could be that the online sim went away (!present) and you see selector for the offline sim.
[15:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, you checked list-modems?
[15:01] <kenvandine> ah, i am testing it with just the one sim in the second slot
[15:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, I haven't been doing that. I've been testing with two sims, both unlocked.
[15:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, confirmed, list-modems doesn't show it as off
[15:05] <kenvandine> just the UI
[15:05] <jgdx> kenvandine, ConnectionManager.Powered? There's a couple of Powered.
[15:05] <jgdx> and that's great! More data
[15:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, wait... i don't see ConnectionManager
[15:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh.. now i see it :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> Powered = 0
[15:07] <kenvandine> so no...
[15:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, so the ui is correct (even though it might have disabled it)
[15:21]  * jgdx tests using one sim in ril1 and hopes to repro
[15:23] <rigved> hi
[15:24] <rigved> when installing ubuntu touch on nexus 7, what is the recommended channel?
[15:24] <rigved> utopic or devel
[15:24] <jgdx> kenvandine, repro'd on first go..
[15:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, good... i guess :)
[15:26] <rigved> would devel automatically point to the next release (codename v) when it's released?
[15:26] <ogra_> rigved, yes
[15:26] <rigved> awesome
[15:26] <rigved> thanks
[15:26] <ogra_> utopic is a dead end ...
[15:27] <rigved> cool
[15:27] <jgdx> kenvandine, it's gold.
[15:28] <kenvandine> mterry, http://people.canonical.com/~kenvandine/_usr_bin_system-settings-wizard.32011.crash
[15:28] <kenvandine> mterry, http://people.canonical.com/~kenvandine/_usr_sbin_unity-system-compositor.0.crash
[15:29] <mterry> kenvandine, perfect...
[15:29] <mterry> kenvandine, I assume the USC crash is real one and wizard is follow-on
[15:29] <mterry> kenvandine, still haven't been able to reproduce.  I tried going back and forth on that page too...
[15:31] <kenvandine> :(
[15:34] <mterry> kenvandine, let's talk versions...  I get "warning: core file may not match specified executable file." for both of those files
[15:35] <kenvandine> mterry, interesting!
[15:35] <mterry> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8533621/
[15:36] <mterry> kenvandine, I would assume that if we have same packages, we could share core files
[15:36] <kenvandine> mterry, indeed... unfortunately i've switched to silo 20...
[15:36] <mterry> kenvandine, curses!
[15:37] <kenvandine> i thought the crash file included versions...
[15:42] <kenvandine> mterry, compositor version is the same
[15:42] <kenvandine> just reinstalled from the silo
[15:42] <kenvandine> testing
[15:42] <mterry> kenvandine, oh maybe they do have versions!  sorry
[15:42] <mterry> kenvandine, didn't even think to check  :(
[15:43] <mpt> lool, mterry: We’re text-wrangling, and have a question. Is the Nokia HERE data anonymized?
[15:43] <mterry> kenvandine, actually I don't see a version in the unpacked crash file
[15:43] <kenvandine> yeah, i checked
[15:43] <mterry> mpt, I myself have no idea
[15:43] <kenvandine> which is odd
[15:43] <kenvandine> mterry, ok... wizard just worked without crashing
[15:43] <mpt> mterry, do you know where we can find out?
[15:43] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah version of the package and all deps would be super useful
[15:44] <mterry> mpt, lool is probably the right person for that question.  My only interaction with HERE has been checkboxes
[15:44] <kenvandine> mterry, i know i must have had the right version though
[15:44] <lool> mpt: we dont send them the full id of the device
[15:44] <kenvandine> because on the 4th try, when it worked... i saw the new UI
[15:44] <lool> mpt: but we do provide them with some unique id
[15:44] <mterry> kenvandine, well USC was crashing
[15:45] <mterry> kenvandine, I don't think the wizard had the bug
[15:45] <lool> mpt: I guess they require it for counting purposes
[15:45] <mterry> kenvandine, did you have other packages?  Other testing silos installed?
[15:45] <kenvandine> mterry, i don't think so
[15:46] <kenvandine> mterry, and it had taken ages to get to the wizard before
[15:46] <kenvandine> quick now
[15:46] <kenvandine> boom
[15:47] <kenvandine> crashed again :)
[15:47] <mterry> kenvandine, herm
[15:47] <mterry> kenvandine, ah!
[15:47] <lool> mpt: but no phone number or imei, so can't link back to you
[15:47] <mterry> good?
[15:47] <kenvandine> 3rd try
[15:47] <mpt> Thanks loicm
[15:47] <mpt> err, thanks lool
[15:48] <kenvandine> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8533697/
[15:49] <mterry> kenvandine, ok can I have those crash files too...?  I want to see if they give me same warning message
[15:49] <kenvandine> mterry, ok
[15:50] <mterry> kenvandine, we don't have debug symbol packages built from silos I assume.  Not sure how to make use of that crash package.  USC I can get ddeb for though
[15:50] <kenvandine> mterry, ok, same urls
[15:50] <kenvandine> mterry, we don't
[15:52] <mterry> kenvandine, I'm troubled by differing ease of reproduction
[15:52] <tedg> rsalveti, FYI, I accidentally killed your test, but it's on its way back: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/ricardos-role-test/+merge/238006
[15:57] <rsalveti> tedg: oh, cool, thanks
[16:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, so, there's a difference in what happens in slot #1 and slot #2
[16:05] <mterry> kenvandine, you only get this with the silo?
[16:05] <jgdx> kenvandine, when flight mode is activated, slot 2's ConnectionManager tells us that Powered is set to false. I think it should not.
[16:05] <mterry> kenvandine, like...  you can't reproduce without getting silo 8?
[16:05] <jgdx> abeato, ^ any ideas?
[16:07] <abeato> jgdx, if flight mode is set there is no connectionmanager interface
[16:08] <jgdx> abeato, for ril_0 there ain't, but for ril_1 ofono somehow produces a propertychanged signal.
[16:08] <mterry> kenvandine, for the USC crash, looks like something in mirserver.  Digging.  For the wiz crash, I get "/var/crash/ken/wiz/CoreDump is truncated: expected core file size >= 184496128, found: 4259840."
[16:09] <abeato> jgdx, what property changes?
[16:09] <jgdx> abeato, ConnectionManager.Powered
[16:10] <abeato> jgdx, so when flight mode is set you get a signal saying ConnectionManager.Powered is false?
[16:10] <jgdx> abeato, just for ril_1, yes
[16:11] <jgdx> abeato, krillin
[16:11] <abeato> jgdx, weird that is just for ril_1
[16:12] <abeato> jgdx, I guess you can open a bug so we can investigate that
[16:12] <mterry> kenvandine, is there a bug for this yet?  I have a mirserver stacktrace at least
[16:12] <jgdx> abeato, sure. Thanks!
[16:12] <abeato> np
[16:12] <jgdx> abeato, what project do you think is appropriate?
[16:12] <abeato> ofono
[16:13] <jgdx> k
[16:13] <mterry> kenvandine, which theoretically is a bug / should be fixed regardless of silo
[16:14] <brunogirin> I'm trying to move my nexus 7 to the rtm channel but when I try to do that I get "Failed to locate latest image information": does it mean there's no rtm channel for flo?
[16:14]  * mterry files bug
[16:15] <dobey> hmm
[16:15] <dobey> latest devel-proposed image is suddenly telling me the sim is locked when i try to send an sms; my sim has never been locked. what the heck?
[16:24] <dobey> rebooting doesn't help either, and i can't even check my voicemail
[16:26] <mterry> kenvandine, filed bug 1379848 -- but looking at the diff for that branch, I'm guessing the changes to ubuntu-system-settings-wizard-set-lang.conf are causing this -- can you comment out the two new lines and try again?
[16:27] <mterry> kenvandine, that might give clues.  anpok in #ubuntu-mir had a guess that the crash might be an already-fixed bug
[16:31] <mterry> anpok, is that fix you showed me in silo 003?  kenvandine, if so, might also be worth trying both silos
[16:31] <mterry> kenvandine, seemingly the crash has to do with a closing app, and since we restart some Mir clients between those two pages of the wizard, sounds plausible
[16:32] <mterry> *"seemingly the fixed bug has to do with a closing app"
[16:33] <mterry> kenvandine, I am going to go grab lunch, will be back on later.  Leave comments for me in that bug I filed
[16:33] <mterry> sorry to rely on you for this, but I can't reproduce for some reason  :(
[16:33] <dobey> does nobody else have problems with sim card on image 274?
[16:35] <dobey> or 276?
[16:35] <charles> nik90, pong
[16:35] <kenvandine> mterry, will do
[16:35] <lool> stgraber: hmm latest system-image update fails for me on mako: when I reboot it's still available for update; where I can see debug?
[16:37] <nik90> charles: hey,
[16:38] <nik90> charles: actually nevermind, I thought I had something to ask, but cannot remember what it was
[16:38] <sil2100> bfiller: ping!
[16:38] <sil2100> bfiller: hey! Do you know if those dialer-app test failures we mentioned earlier have been resolved?
[16:39] <lool> stgraber: ok, managed to cat last_log before recovery automatically reapplied update and rebooted; it said: rm: can't stat 'b'system/usr/s
[16:39] <lool> stgraber: with a logn list of pycache files
[16:39] <bfiller> sil2100: they are caused by powerd bug
[16:39] <bfiller> sil2100: screen going black during the tests
[16:39] <lool> anyone facing issues updating to latest image?
[16:40] <bfiller> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/powerd/+bug/1378012
[16:41] <lool> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8534036/
[16:41] <lool> I'm reflashing now
[16:42] <anpok> kenvandine: no it is not in 0.8 afaik
[16:43] <kenvandine> anpok, you mean silo 3?
[16:43] <dobey> lool: yes, 275 and 276 have been failing for numerous people on mako. i just replied to a mail on ubuntu-phone about it stating i have the same issue, and that on 276 i can no longer SMS/call, as it thinks my unlocked SIM is locked somehow
[16:43] <dobey> and i really need my phone :-/
[16:45] <anpok> kenvandine: yes
[16:45] <lool> dobey: so reflashing didn't help?
[16:47] <dobey> lool: i'm reflashing my mako now with ubuntu-device-flash. the SIM problem is on my nexus5 which i use as my actual phone.
[16:47] <sergiusens> dobey: I logged a bug for that
[16:47] <sergiusens> dobey: bug #1379836
[16:47] <sergiusens> lool: ^
[16:48] <dobey> sergiusens: oh ok, so it happens for you too
[16:48] <sergiusens> dobey: yes, and I guess everyone
[16:49] <sergiusens> dobey: only working well on krillin
[16:49] <dobey> hrmm
[16:49] <sergiusens> dobey: the telepathy-ofono is just my first guess as it had the last changes
[16:54] <charles> nik90: :-D
[16:54] <dobey> sergiusens: how do you get the lock status from ofono?
[16:55] <sergiusens> dobey: list-modems shows it
[17:01] <dobey> sergiusens: looking at the diff, i think telepathy-ofono is indeed at fault
[17:06] <mpt> kenvandine, <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187010904/location.phone.png> go go go
[17:07] <ogra_> mpt, but why is it 5:54PM ?
[17:08] <mpt> ogra_, you are the first person ever to ask that question. On every wireframe I’ve ever drawn that includes the time somewhere, it’s the time when I started or finished the wireframe.
[17:08] <ogra_> heh
[17:09] <popey> thats boring.
[17:09] <popey> you should have said it was the time the myans predicted the end of the world or something
[17:09] <popey> i would have believed you
[17:09] <kenvandine> mpt, thx!
[17:13] <mpt> popey, true, but at least it’s more varied than putting 9:41 AM on every one
[17:13] <popey> true dat
[17:13] <davmor2> I'm confused why is using GPS only less accurate it's slower sure but not less accurate it's the most accurate thing for location surely :D
[17:14] <mpt> wat
[17:16] <mpt> davmor2, mainly because at any time, any GPS satellite your phone is using is at least 22,200 km away, usually more, while Wi-Fi and cell networks are several orders of magnitude closer
[17:17] <mpt> And while the positions of Wi-Fi networks are rarely known exactly, they can be calculated over time by comparing them with cell towers and GPS satellites which are
[17:18] <davmor2> mpt: but gps is accurate to like metres, the thing here gives us is agps which makes a guess as to where you are to give the gps a rough position so it can more accurately pin point you faster.  gps 15minutes to pinpoint, agps about 7 seconds
[17:19] <davmor2> mpt: it's a speed thing rather than accuracy I guess is my point
[17:22] <mpt> davmor2, right. So at any length of time, from the moment when the phone starts trying to figure out where you are, GPS + Wi-Fi + cell will give you a more accurate result than GPS alone.
[17:22] <mpt> After 15 minutes they’ll be about the same. :-)
[17:30] <dobey> sergiusens: so yeah, definitely telepathy-ofono, as installing the previous build fixes it
[17:30] <dobey> sergiusens: just that one .deb
[17:32] <mterry> kenvandine, heyo!  Back from lunch
[17:33] <kenvandine> hey mterry
[17:33] <kenvandine> that fix isn't in silo 3
[17:34] <kenvandine> but before i heard that, i added silo 3 and messed myself up :)
[17:34] <kenvandine> had to reflash
[17:34] <mterry> kenvandine, sorry bro
[17:34] <kenvandine> mterry, still want me to revert those 2 changes?
[17:34] <kenvandine> to the .conf
[17:34] <mterry> kenvandine, just as a testing mechanism, yeah
[17:34] <mterry> kenvandine, if it *is* that bug, seems like there's some oddities around Mir clients coming and going
[17:35] <mterry> kenvandine, and those two lines start new Mir clients right after closing them
[17:35] <mterry> kenvandine, so I could believe it stresses that bug
[17:35] <mterry> anpok, is there a way to easily test that crash fix patch?
[17:36] <kenvandine> mterry, which lines?
[17:36] <kenvandine> having trouble finding it in the launchpad diff
[17:36] <kenvandine> with the po updates :)
[17:36] <mterry> kenvandine, it's right at the bottom of the diff
[17:36] <tedg> Saviq, Are you working the conflict in silo 13?
[17:36] <mterry> kenvandine, the lines that start indicators and maliit-server
[17:36] <kenvandine> oh
[17:37] <kenvandine> so small i missed it :)
[17:37] <mterry> kenvandine, I assume you have not seen this crash without this silo.  So stopping the indicators and maliit-server don't seem to exercise the problem
[17:37] <mterry> kenvandine, but maybe starting them up does
[17:37] <mterry> kenvandine, thank you for being my guinea pig
[17:38] <kenvandine> mterry, i haven't
[17:38] <kenvandine> but... i don't run the wizard as often as i should :)
[17:38] <mpt> kenvandine, specification updated: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=10>
[17:38] <kenvandine> mpt, thx
[17:39] <kenvandine> mterry, no crash first try
[17:39]  * kenvandine reboots
[17:41] <kenvandine> mterry, again... rebooting
[17:42] <kenvandine> mterry, again... rebooting
[17:42] <kenvandine> lets see if it works 4 times in a row, then uncomment those lines
[17:43] <kenvandine> mterry, 4 times!
[17:43]  * kenvandine uncomments
[17:44] <mterry> kenvandine, ...  I think those changes are both silly and from my testing rather than real changes needed....
[17:44] <mterry> kenvandine, you'll notice in wizard/Utils/system.cpp, the only place where we seem to call set-lang, we already run those two lines
[17:44] <mterry> manually
[17:45] <kenvandine> mterry, worked once with the lines uncommented
[17:46]  * kenvandine tries again
[17:46] <mterry> heh
[17:47] <mterry> kenvandine, regardless of your testing, I'm ready to drop the lines.  If that also avoids this crash that's a huge bonus
[17:48] <mpt> kenvandine, I tweaked the spec again to say use a page stack for the T&C, not a dialog
[17:48] <mpt> I’m not sure SDK dialogs are ready for that kind of stress
[17:49] <kenvandine> mpt, i appreciate that :)
[17:50] <kenvandine> mterry, well 3 times without crashing after uncommenting
[17:50] <mterry> kenvandine, so...
[17:50] <mterry> kenvandine, huh
[17:50] <mterry> kenvandine, well... like I said, I want to drop the lines anyway
[17:50] <kenvandine> seems to be somewhat unreliably reproducable
[17:51] <mterry> kenvandine, but now I'm not sure if that actually would help the crash
[17:51] <kenvandine> mterry, ok... 4th try it crashed
[17:51]  * mterry high fives ken
[17:51] <kenvandine> not sure that proves anything :)
[17:52] <kenvandine> only tried 4 times without the lines :)
[17:52] <mterry> kenvandine, well it proves that lines being present is at least partly bad
[17:52] <mterry> kenvandine, test more without lines...?
[17:52] <kenvandine> the trick is to ensure the keyboard and all works well without them right?
[17:52] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah and wifi page -- but guaranteed they do
[17:52] <mterry> kenvandine, because we already have those same lines elsewhere
[17:53] <mterry> kenvandine, so what we are doing with the lines is emitting indicator-services-start twice and trying to start maliit-server twice
[17:53] <kenvandine> which should be harmless... i'd think
[17:54] <mterry> kenvandine, right...  you'd think so.  upstart should prevent the problem.  Unless something that triggers off those is a task
[17:54] <mterry> let me check
[17:54] <kenvandine> i guess tickles mir the wrong way...
[17:55] <mterry> Yeah.. that's a great point.  upstart should not be racy at all
[17:56] <mterry> kenvandine, but maybe the delay that upstart introduces as it ends set-lang (before we start everything again) avoids exercising this Mir problem.  So it might just be a timing issue of when we start the services?
[17:56] <mterry> No, no tasks that trigger of those events
[17:56] <mterry> So not a "starting jobs twice" issue I think
[17:56] <kenvandine> weird, perhaps it really is completely unrelated
[17:57] <kenvandine> mterry, 4 more times with the lines commented out, no crash
[17:58] <mterry> kenvandine, my only guess is that the difference in timing that upstart introduces as it ends the job is avoiding tickling Mir weirdly
[17:58] <mterry> kenvandine, not much of a timing gap to hang our hats on though
[17:59] <mterry> kenvandine, I would be curious to see if that Mir patch fixes the crash -- would give me more confidence that we won't hit this in future
[17:59] <mterry> kenvandine, but at least without the lines, my branch won't make the problem *worse*
[17:59] <mterry> kenvandine, I've already updated the branch
[18:00] <kenvandine> mterry, ok, i've run through it 6 times now without the lines
[18:00] <mterry> kenvandine, such a razor-thin timing difference may also explain why I haven't seen it yet
[18:00] <kenvandine> tedg, what's going on with silo 13?
[18:01] <tedg> kenvandine, Saviq threw some extra branches in there, and they conflict.
[18:01] <tedg> Hoping he's going to fix that here soon.
[18:01] <kenvandine> tedg, i'll check back with you after silo 8 builds, see how it's going...
[18:02] <kenvandine> if you are still delayed, maybe i can slide it in front of you :)
[18:02] <tedg> kenvandine, K, might work out.
[18:02] <kenvandine> i'll build it just in case :)
[18:02] <kenvandine> thx
[18:02]  * kenvandine really needs to eat... bbiab
[18:02] <mterry> kenvandine, rebuilding with the lines gone?
[18:02] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah
[18:02] <mterry> kenvandine, go eat, sorry!  ;)
[18:03] <kenvandine> it has rev 1077
[18:09] <Wellark> kenvandine: is your sim locked?
[18:10] <kenvandine> Wellark, nope
[18:10] <Wellark> sounds like a bug in messaging-app or nuntium
[18:10] <Wellark> the context looks just fine
[18:10] <kenvandine> Wellark, the context isn't active
[18:11] <kenvandine> but it's checked in the UI
[18:11] <Wellark> kenvandine: it's only activated when you actually try to send or receive mms
[18:11] <kenvandine> oh... so Active = 0 doesn't really mean anything?
[18:11] <Wellark> so for mms context we can't use the "Active" property
[18:11] <Wellark> correct. for mms
[18:11] <kenvandine> ok
[18:11] <Wellark> only for Internet
[18:11] <kenvandine> pat__, ^^
[18:12] <Wellark> kenvandine: so, can we land?
[18:12] <Wellark> :)
[18:12] <Wellark> please
[18:12] <kenvandine> Wellark, did you see pat__'s comment on the MP?
[18:12] <Wellark> nope
[18:12] <mterry> kenvandine, I'm going to go be wifi-slow for a while, but will be back on IRC, and ready to help with any more weirdness with the silo
[18:12] <Wellark> there is more?
[18:12] <kenvandine> he noted the button text doesn't match the design
[18:12] <kenvandine> and some more comments
[18:13] <kenvandine> Wellark, we still have other silos in the queue to land first, but it might mean seb128 can land it on monday :)
[18:13] <kenvandine> or at least get it ready for QA verification
[18:14]  * kenvandine really needs to stop looking at the screen and fix some food :)
[18:14] <kenvandine> bbiaf
[18:14] <Wellark> kenvandine: are you able to activate the custom apn even on t-mobile+
[18:14] <Wellark> ?
[18:14] <kenvandine> for internet yes
[18:14] <kenvandine> works
[18:15] <kenvandine> just mms didn't work
[18:15] <kenvandine> pat__ had a similar problem with att
[18:16] <pat__> right
[18:16] <pat__> Wellark, do all carriers support separate apns for internet and mms? seems they all expect one here
[18:17] <Wellark> pat__: should work for all
[18:17] <Wellark> but you could check from awe, sergiusens
[18:19] <pat__> Wellark, sure doesnt seem to will ask them
[18:20] <Wellark> pat__: replied to your comments in the MP
[18:22] <pat__> Wellark, thanks, yes I added new valid apns but it always reverted to the one it started with
[18:23] <Wellark> pat__: at least the contexts look valid
[18:23] <Wellark> so we might have problems with some other component
[18:25] <pat__> Wellark, I recall there was some logic in NM or ofono that always looped through them even if you said use this one
[18:31] <danwest> hi all, trying to reflash my nexus4 to android. adb finds device but flash-all.sh hangs at '< waiting for device >'
[18:31] <danwest> any ideas?
[18:32] <nhaines> danwest: you need to be at the bootloader screen.
[18:33] <danwest> nhaines, k, will give it a try
[18:34] <danwest> working now, thought last time I did this the script was able to reboot to bootloader for me
[18:34] <nhaines> No, the script doesn't do that.
[18:35] <nhaines> At least, it hasn't for the last three years I've been using it.  :)
[18:35] <nhaines> Glad it's working now!  It's always good news when there's a simple fix.  :)
[18:51] <Wellark> pat__ kenvandine : you saw "sim locked" for messaging app: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-ofono/+bug/1379836
[18:52] <Wellark> when trying the MMS contexts
[18:52] <Wellark> was that on mako?
[18:53] <kenvandine> Wellark, it was
[18:53] <kenvandine> so maybe unrelated
[19:06] <kenvandine> tedg, so still waiting on silo 13?
[19:07] <tedg> kenvandine, Yup
[19:07] <kenvandine> OMG
[19:07] <kenvandine> wizard crashed again...
[19:08] <tedg> kenvandine, Quick take his staff!
[19:11] <kenvandine> i do not know how many more times i can reboot and run through the wizard before i scream
[19:12] <kenvandine> somehow this has to be tedg's fault, i just know it
[19:13]  * tedg wonders if we should tell kenvandine that it is actually a test to see how many times he can run through the wizard before he screams
[19:13] <tedg> Eh, maybe next week.
[19:13] <Wellark> kenvandine: what's the issue?
[19:13] <kenvandine> tedg, i suspected so
[19:14] <kenvandine> Wellark, wizard crashing... or rather unity-system-compositor
[19:14] <kenvandine> mterry, it crashed with the latest...
[19:14] <Wellark> kenvandine: yikes..
[19:15] <kenvandine> mterry, i'm now testing what's in utopic... maybe it's completely unrelated to your branch
[19:15] <kenvandine> mterry, i'm going to run through this wizard without your branch until i scream or it crashes
[19:24] <sil2100> bfiller: thanks for the info! (sorry for answering only now)
[19:25] <stgraber> lool: that looks like an invalid remove list as it'd be generated by the python3 version of system-image...
[19:39] <Wellark> kenvandine, pat__ . so can we land the apn editor?
[19:40] <pat__> Wellark, I am ok to land it
[19:40] <kenvandine> Wellark, that'll take to long and block tedg's landing
[19:40] <kenvandine> while we get qa verification
[19:41] <kenvandine> i think the wizard crash is bug 1354412
[19:41] <Wellark> kenvandine: ok, but no code changes required anymore?
[19:42] <Wellark> just scheduling, right?
[19:42] <kenvandine> Wellark, i'll top approve it
[19:42] <kenvandine> we'll need to rebuild the silo after tedg's stuff lands and do another test ourselves
[19:42] <kenvandine> then it'll be up to the QA team
[19:44] <kenvandine> i'm confident mterry's wizard change is doing something to tickle this crasher in unity-system-compositor that the old wizard wasn't doing
[19:44] <Wellark> kenvandine: ok, thanks
[19:44] <kenvandine> i ran through the wizard 20 times... no crash
[19:44] <kenvandine> with the wizard refresh branch, crashed on 2nd try
[19:45] <kenvandine> Wellark, make sure the test plan has enough info for QA to verify, it's a tricky thing to test
[19:45] <kenvandine> so don't assume anything
[19:47] <kenvandine> Wellark, and it's easy to think it doesn't work
[19:47] <kenvandine> kgunn, i see you dropped the rtm tag from bug 1354412
[19:48] <kenvandine> kgunn, i think that might be the crasher we're seeing in mterry's wizard-refresh-take-6 branch
[19:48] <kenvandine> mterry!
[19:48] <mterry> kenvandine, hello again!
[19:48] <kenvandine> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8535064/
[19:48] <kenvandine> mterry, still crashes...
[19:48] <mterry> kenvandine, I have janked together a series of routers such that my internet works well again
[19:48] <kenvandine> and i confirmed it's a regression
[19:49] <kenvandine> 20 times through the wizard without your branch
[19:49] <kenvandine> no crashes
[19:49] <Wellark> kenvandine: will update the test plan with all of the painful details on monday morning
[19:49] <kenvandine> Wellark, thanks!
[19:49] <kenvandine> Wellark, i won't be here... but seb128 will be handling landings
[19:52] <Wellark> kenvandine: ok. have a good weekend!
[19:52] <mterry> kenvandine, and with the branch, even without those two lines, it crashes?
[19:52] <mterry> kenvandine, so those two lines were a red herring?
[19:53] <mterry> kenvandine, sorry timed out
[19:53] <mterry> kenvandine, last thing I sent was:
 kenvandine, and with the branch, even without those two lines, it crashes?
[19:53] <mterry>  kenvandine, so those two lines were a red herring?
[19:57] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah, red herring
[19:58] <kenvandine> mterry, see the wizard log i sent pastebin
[19:58] <mterry> kenvandine, I see the pastebin, but it's what I'd expect from USC crashing and wizard coming down as a result
[19:59] <kenvandine> mterry, your branch changes some font sizes
[19:59] <kenvandine> specifically fonts that were small
[19:59] <kenvandine> no longer small
[19:59] <kenvandine> maybe that's triggering it?
[19:59] <kenvandine> at that point in the startup
[19:59] <kenvandine> each time it crashes, it starts with that
[20:00] <kenvandine> This plugin does not support createPlatformSharedGraphicsBuffer for cacheId: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-L.ttf 25 DF!
[20:01] <kenvandine> mterry, 3 crashes that i've looked at the log after crashing and that was the first line where things start looking bad
[20:01] <mterry> kenvandine, and you don't see that warning without my branch?
[20:01] <kenvandine> mterry, actually i didn't look :)
[20:01] <mterry> That output *might* just happen to occur at the same time as the trigger for the crash does
[20:01] <kenvandine> goes right into exceptions after that
[20:01]  * kenvandine tries
[20:02] <mterry> kenvandine, it's just that all those exceptions deal with no longer being able to talk to the Mir server
[20:02] <kenvandine> mterry, so might be a wild goose chase :)
[20:02] <mterry> kenvandine, well let's see from a good run...
[20:03] <mterry> anpok, poke again about testing the fix for bug 1376324 -- is there any way to easily get a mirserver deb with that patch?
[20:04] <kenvandine> mterry, oh... it just crashed with the utopic version!
[20:04] <kenvandine> wtf!
[20:04] <kenvandine> i tried 20 times to make it crash!
[20:04]  * kenvandine cries
[20:04] <mterry> kenvandine, make *sure* you have the utopic version maybe?
[20:05] <mterry> kenvandine, but my branch makes the crash more likely?
[20:05] <kenvandine> confirmed
[20:05] <kenvandine> seems so
[20:06] <mterry> kenvandine, can you get a non-crashing run with utopic and see if you have the font message at least?  let's see how related that is
[20:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:06]  * mterry supposes I could do that too...  since that's the only kind of run I can do
[20:06] <kenvandine> once it crashes, it keeps crashing until i reboot
[20:07] <kenvandine> in fact... it never shows the wizard again
[20:07] <kenvandine> just goes to black screen, logo spinning, black screen, etc
[20:07] <kenvandine> mterry, ok, confirmed
[20:07] <mterry> kenvandine, I see that font warning on startup for me
[20:08] <kenvandine> i see that message
[20:08] <kenvandine> once the compositor crashes, it just keeps blowing chunks :)
[20:09] <kenvandine> mterry, could it have anything to do with the device state?
[20:09] <mterry> kenvandine, that would make sense because it can't render.  upstart might try to restart wizard, but it just can't connect no matter how hard it tries
[20:09] <mterry> kenvandine, device state?
[20:10] <kenvandine> it just crashed 3 out of 4 tries with the utopic version
[20:10] <mterry> kenvandine, and even without those two lines, it's more reproducable with the silo?
[20:10] <kenvandine> but i ran that 20 times before!
[20:10] <mterry> kenvandine, do you have other makos?
[20:10] <kenvandine> like the reboot isn't flushing something in memory, etc
[20:10] <kenvandine> nope
[20:10] <kenvandine> and you can't reproduce it
[20:11] <mterry> kenvandine, I wonder if we could get a third mako opinion -- I wonder if your device is more susceptible
[20:11] <mterry> kgunn, you around and fancy free?
[20:11] <mterry> i.e. not busy?
[20:11] <mterry> kenvandine, other thing to try is to compile Mir with that patch
[20:12] <kenvandine> mterry, now that i've reproduced it without your branch
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, maybe put its branch in the silo?  Kind of a long shot
[20:12] <kenvandine> i feel better approving this
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, because we're not 100% sure it's the same crash
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, fair
[20:12] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:12] <kenvandine> but it clearly can happen without your branch
[20:12] <kenvandine> and reliably now....
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah I just don't want my branch to make it 2x as likely to crash
[20:12] <kenvandine> crashed 4 out of 6 times now
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, but reproducability seems all over the place
[20:12] <kenvandine> with utopic version
[20:13] <mterry> kenvandine, has anyone from QA tried the branch?    And I can't see anything in my branch that *should* make it more likely to crash
[20:17] <mterry> kenvandine, but before it hits RTM I'd like a third tester at least
[20:17] <mterry> kenvandine, ahem, another timeout
[20:17] <mterry> kenvandine, last I heard from you was "with utopic version"
[20:17] <kenvandine> ha
[20:18] <mterry> kenvandine, I said a bunch of stuff about being happy on my side with the silo, but being more comfortable with a third tester before it lands in RTM at least
[20:18] <kenvandine> mterry, i just told tedg i was slipping this in front of his
[20:18] <kenvandine> mterry, i saw all that
[20:18] <mterry> k
[20:18] <kenvandine> mterry, published in utopic
[20:18] <kenvandine> and building in rtm silo 6 now
[20:18] <mterry> kenvandine, thanks!  Glad the scare was nothing terrible
[20:18] <mterry> kenvandine, well it it terrible.  But at least not due to this silo
[20:19] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah... wish it was more reliable...
[20:19] <kenvandine> tedg, how close are you to being ready to rebuild ?
[20:19] <mterry> kenvandine, I *really* hope it's just your awful machine.  That seems a little too good to be true though
[20:19] <kenvandine> tedg, wondering if i should merge/clean before it publishes to release :)
[20:19] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah... seems odd
[20:22] <kenvandine> mterry, can you give it a test for rtm?
[20:23] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah let me refresh my krillin
[20:24] <kenvandine> pat__, is your mako rtm?
[20:24] <pat__> kenvandine, yes
[20:25] <kenvandine> pat__, can you test the wizard in rtm silo 6?
[20:25] <kgunn> mterry: just checking in, what's up?
[20:25] <kenvandine> run through it a few times to make sure it doesn't crash :)
[20:25] <pat__> kenvandine, can I run it on krillin?
[20:25] <mterry> kgunn, we wanted a tester for a silo that was giving us inconsistent results
[20:25] <mterry> kgunn, but we're tentatively going ahead if you don't have time.  But if you do, that would be nice as well
[20:25] <kenvandine> pat__, mterry and i are testing it on krillin
[20:25] <kenvandine> i wanted a mako tester
[20:25] <kenvandine> pat__, i did hit some crashes on mako for utopic
[20:26] <kenvandine> but very unreliably
[20:26] <mterry> kgunn, ah kenvandine got a third tester too
[20:26] <kgunn> which silo ?  i assume on mako ^
[20:26] <mterry> kgunn, on mako, silo 008
[20:26] <kenvandine> and i ultimately did manager to reproduce it without the silo
[20:26] <kgunn> what specifically to test ? AP test? or manual ?
[20:26] <kenvandine> kgunn, utopic silo 8
[20:26] <kenvandine> kgunn, wizard, manually
[20:26] <mterry> kgunn, manual.  kenvandine was seeing some crashes when going through the wizard
[20:26] <mterry> kgunn, but only inconsistently.  And the crasher also happens on utopic without the silo
[20:27] <mterry> kgunn, but the fear was that the silo makes it worse
[20:27] <kenvandine> kgunn, it took me lots of tries to get it to crash without the silo
[20:27] <mterry> kgunn, but I can't get the crash at all, so we wanted to see if kenvandine's mako is cursed
[20:27] <kenvandine> but once it crashed... it happened more often
[20:27] <kgunn> any particular part of the wizard ?
[20:28] <kenvandine> see if you get to the second step :)
[20:28] <kenvandine> kgunn, don't go all the way through it
[20:28] <kenvandine> if you get to the second step
[20:28] <kenvandine> reboot and see if it crashes
[20:28] <kgunn> ack
[20:28] <kgunn> i typically don't touch the wizard until i've updated
[20:28] <kenvandine> it only crashes on the first continue click
[20:28] <kgunn> on purpose
[20:28] <kenvandine> haha :)
[20:28] <kenvandine> yeah, i don't run it enough
[20:29] <kenvandine> i bet i have run it 50 times today though :)
[20:29] <kgunn> yeah, i always fear wizard breaking...so i kinda stalk it on testing
[20:30] <kenvandine> mterry, 4 times on krillin, no crash
[20:30]  * pat__ installed and testing
[20:30] <pat__> kenvandine, so just the first continue?
[20:30] <kenvandine> pat__, when you hit the second step, just adb reboot
[20:30] <kenvandine> pat__, yeah
[20:30] <kenvandine> do it a few times
[20:30] <pat__> worked first time
[20:30] <kenvandine> mterry, 5 times good
[20:31] <mterry> kenvandine, still downloading
[20:31] <kenvandine> mterry, you need to upgrade your piece of string :)
[20:31] <mterry> kenvandine, I have been having weird problems all week
[20:31] <mterry> kenvandine, I took to just working from starbucks
[20:31] <kenvandine> a couple weeks ago some contractors cut the cable line working on my neighbors house... they patched it together and didn't tell anyone
[20:32] <kenvandine> for 3 days it was wonky as hell
[20:32] <kenvandine> and finally TWC came out and found what they had done
[20:32] <kenvandine> affected my whole damn street
[20:33] <kenvandine> mterry, btw... the wizard looks awesome!
[20:33] <mterry> kenvandine, :)  yay
[20:33]  * kenvandine should stop bitching about the crashing and compliment nice work :)
[20:34] <pat__> kenvandine, does this effect indicator-location? thought code was in settings https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1375322
[20:34] <kenvandine> pat__, yes
[20:34] <pat__> kenvandine, it does, ok
[20:34] <kenvandine> pat__, because of the changes mpt made
[20:34] <pat__> worked 3 times
[20:34] <kenvandine> they are making changes in the indicator too
[20:35] <pat__> I see
[20:35] <kenvandine> pat__, speaking of that... since i'm out for a few days... maybe someone else can finish that up?
[20:35] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah it's a bummer the Location page is already obsolete before this branch lands
[20:35] <pat__> 4 times
[20:36] <kenvandine> pat__, my branch adds a toggle to accept the T&C and stuff... it's rough though
[20:36] <pat__> mterry, did he change the wizard? I thought it was just additional stuff
[20:36] <pat__> kenvandine, ok will pass it to jonas I guess
[20:36] <kenvandine> pat__, thanks :)
[20:36] <pat__> or await your return
[20:36] <pat__> :)
[20:36] <kenvandine> pat__, i wanted to finish that before vacation... but designs...
[20:36] <pat__> kenvandine, no crash 5 attempts
[20:36] <kenvandine> pat__, or that ;)
[20:37] <kenvandine> pat__, thanks.. you can stop :)
[20:37] <kenvandine> 10 times for me
[20:37] <mterry> pat__, I don't know where design landed yet, they were discussing how to reword that page today
[20:37] <kenvandine> i'm stopping
[20:37] <kenvandine> i suspect the wording will change
[20:37] <anpok> mterry: well .. grab 0.8 and merge the fix .. should apply cleanly
[20:37] <anpok> mterry: i can give it a try..
[20:37] <mterry> anpok, ok good to know
[20:38] <mterry> anpok, sometimes Mir patches require rebuilds of lots of stuff -- that wouldn't be the case here?  (no abi changes?)
[20:38] <mterry> I saw some headers change, didn't know how public they were
[20:40] <kenvandine> mterry, i marked rtm silo 6 as tested, just needs qa verification now
[20:41] <anpok> mterry: yeah just internal changes.. no abi or api breakage
[20:42] <mterry> kenvandine, ok actually testing myself now  ;)
[20:43] <mterry> kenvandine, these buttons in the wizard could use haptic feedback
[20:46] <mterry> kenvandine, worked 5 times
[20:46] <kenvandine> woot!
[20:46] <kenvandine> my mako is angry...
[20:46] <kenvandine> that's it...
[20:47] <kenvandine> i have no plans of running the wizard again until after vacation
[20:47] <kenvandine> :)
[20:48] <tedg> kenvandine, Sorry, ran an errand. I'm really blocked, so I don't know when. Go ahead.
[20:48] <kenvandine> tedg, i already went ahead :)
[20:48] <kenvandine> 30m in proposed already, so i should be able to merge and clean soon
[20:49] <mterry> kenvandine, but you're so good at it now
[20:49] <kenvandine> mterry, ha
[20:50] <kenvandine> i just wish we used your dialpad UI instead of the OSK in other places!
[20:50] <kenvandine> so much nicer
[20:50] <kenvandine> we need that to be a standard component :)
[20:50] <anpok> mterry: do you need help with anything related to that patch?
[20:51] <anpok>  will be off soon
[20:51] <mterry> anpok, no thank you.  I think we decided my branch made that crash no more likely than it was before, so we just went ahead with it
[20:51] <anpok> ok
[20:51] <mterry> anpok, thanks though
[20:51] <mterry> :)
[20:54] <ajalkane> anyone know what's the problem... I'm trying to run an application from SDK in the device, but QtCreator gives "Please attach your device". It's attached. I just enabled developer mode with PIN.
[20:55] <ajalkane> I assume this has something to do with the newish adb restrictions
[20:59] <kgunn> curious if anyones noticing a stall of the bluez install on dist-upgrade
[20:59] <kgunn> ....totally stuck had to reboot
[21:02] <kgunn> kenvandine: so without even touching wizard...i gotta crash on mako
[21:02] <kgunn> just after updating...but note, the dist-upgrade was weird, stalled out at bluez
[21:03] <kgunn> and had to sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:03] <kgunn> to complete
[21:06] <kgunn> looks like crash due to u-s-c & libc call
[21:11] <chrisc> kgunn: i had exactly the same issue with bluez
[21:13] <chrisc> but I didn't reboot, I killed apt after waiting a while
[21:15] <kenvandine> tedg, system-settings merged, so you're good whenever you do a rebuild
[21:15] <kenvandine> tedg, thanks!
[21:15] <kenvandine> time for a mini-vacation... see ya'll thursday!
[21:15] <tedg> kenvandine, Cool, have fun!
[21:35] <bmatusiak> anybody here testing ubuntu-devel-proposed?
[21:36] <bmatusiak> on nexus 4
[21:37] <jgdx> bmatusiak, I have been.
[21:39] <bmatusiak> jgdx,
[21:39] <bmatusiak> have did you get a sim lock?
[21:46] <jgdx> bmatusiak, System Settings -> Privacy and Security -> SIM Pin
[21:49] <ajalkane> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04, trying to run application and getting "module "QtQuick" version 2.3 is not installed". What should I install? I have the SDK ppa
[21:51] <ajalkane> Wait a sec, maybe I don't. Some funny guy seems to have commented out my ubuntu-sdk-team-ppa-trusty.list
[21:54] <ajalkane> Wait a sec 2, I do have the trusty repo in illogical file enabled. So it should be okay.
[22:05] <bmatusiak> jgdx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-ofono/+bug/1379836
[22:05] <bmatusiak> this is the problem im having
[23:15] <bmatusiak> so far i like it :P
[23:16] <bmatusiak> great work guys !
[23:25] <pdxwebdev> Can ubuntu touch do url protocol handlers to launch an app?


[01:16] <RoAkSoAx> clear all
[11:34] <dennda> Hi. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/80537/
[11:45] <Myrtti> dennda: dealt
[11:46] <dennda> Thanks.
[17:25] <Myrtti> hm
[17:25] <Myrtti> feels funny being on the swedish ubuntu channel
[17:25] <Pici> bork bork bork?
[17:32] <Myrtti> not quite
[17:33] <Pici> oh, not that sort of funny.
[17:34] <jpds> björk?
[17:36] <Myrtti> thats icelandic
[17:36] <Myrtti> but you knew that
[17:39] <jpds> Yeah..
[19:44] <cypherdelic> hello everyone
[19:48]  * Myrtti pings #ubuntu-de ops
[19:57] <Myrtti> hm
[20:16] <Myrtti> cypherdelic: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-de list
[21:40] <cypherdelic> You mean: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-de list blabla ???
[21:40] <cypherdelic> Myrtti:
[21:41] <nalioth> cypherdelic: /msg chanerv access #ubuntu-de list  < press enter key >
[21:41] <Myrtti> no, not blablabla
[21:41] <cypherdelic> nalioth: nothing happens then?
[21:41] <Myrtti> that gives you the list off #ubuntu-de ops
[21:41] <nalioth> cypherdelic: chanserv is talking to you somewhere. look for it
[21:41] <Myrtti> should give you the list of #ubuntu-de ops
[21:41] <cypherdelic> hm
[21:42] <nalioth> sorry, i need a new "n" key on my keyboard
[21:42] <nalioth> it's 'chanserv'


[06:25] <dholbach> good morning
[20:41] <BobJonkman1> Hi belkinsa: Just saw your request from *days* ago:
[20:41] <BobJonkman1> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/06/10/%23ubuntu-locoteams.html#t20:58
[20:42] <BobJonkman1> belkinsa: There is no Ubuntu-ca team meeting scheduled, neither for IRC nor VideoChat
[20:42] <belkinsa> I know and I figured, but when is the next one?
[20:43] <BobJonkman1> I'll poll the mailing list, see if there's sufficient interest.
[20:43] <BobJonkman1> Last few meetings it's been mostly me talking to myself.
[20:43] <BobJonkman1> Not much point in that, I already know what I'm going to say...
[20:43] <belkinsa> Alright, thanks.  Ah, I see and I understand.  I almost had that happen to me in the UOS.
[20:44] <belkinsa> I guess meetings should be from time to time if you can't hold monthly ones and you have no major projects.
[20:44] <BobJonkman1> As long as it's being recorded or logged somewhere, then any information you give out can still be valuable to other who come across it later
[20:45] <belkinsa> Indeed.
[20:45] <BobJonkman1> That's right. Usually our meetings are just announcements of Ubuntu events, or local events
[20:45] <BobJonkman1> So there may be a lull until the nearer the next release. Global Jam, &c.
[20:46] <belkinsa> I see.  The UOS was last week, maybe it would be cool to hear stories if people have stories.
[20:46] <BobJonkman1> But I'll ask on the list.
[20:46] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[20:46] <BobJonkman1> I only listened to SABDFL's talk.
[20:46] <BobJonkman1> Actually viewed most of it on the live stream
[20:47] <belkinsa> I think I did more work than the other's in my track.  (was a track lead)
[20:47] <BobJonkman1> Aside from the sad news about Ubuntu Edge there really wasn't that much
[20:47]  * belkinsa still needs to listen to the keynote(s)
[20:48] <BobJonkman1> On another topic: I just ran across the renewal session for the Catalan team.
[20:48] <BobJonkman1> The rejection of their renewal is quite upsetting to me
[20:49] <belkinsa> I heard about it but I know more, but it stays with me and the other admins of the Ubuntu Ohio Team
[20:49] <BobJonkman1> I hope that the LoCo Council reverses that decision.
[20:50] <BobJonkman1> From reading the IRC logs, it seems like the destruction of a viable LoCo Team merely to follow some ill-conceived and badly applied bureaucratic rule
[20:51] <BobJonkman1> It applies directly to the Canadian Team as well. There is an Ubuntu Quebec Team (provincial) and an Ubuntu Vancouver Team (municipal)>
[20:51] <belkinsa> I think not.  But it raises the question about the LoCo's of the States.
[20:51] <BobJonkman1> And only last year the LoCo Council was trying to split up Ubuntu-ca into provincial teams.
[20:51] <belkinsa> And Canada, I guess.
[20:52] <belkinsa> I really think those provincal teams should be really ReLoCo's rather than LoCo's.
[20:52] <belkinsa> Or chapters or whatever they are called.
[20:52] <BobJonkman1> In Canada Quebec is considered a distinct culture, with a separate, federally recognized language.
[20:53] <BobJonkman1> Catalan and Catalonia is also a separate, distinct culture with its own language
[20:53] <belkinsa> I hate to say this but LoCo's should be country based not language based.  They should be chapters or ReLoCo's of that country.
[20:54] <BobJonkman1> It is merely an unfortunate accident of geo-political history that Catalan and Catalonia don't line up with the current international borders
[20:54] <belkinsa> I see now.
[20:55] <BobJonkman1> Catalan or Catalonia has about as much in common with Spanish and Spain as any other country
[20:55] <BobJonkman1> It was pointed out that the Palestine Team was approved earlier. That' not a country.
[20:56] <belkinsa> But still, I hate to say this I think it should the way that I think it should, ReLoCo's based on language within the LoCo based on country.  But it does raise the issue of communication.
[20:56] <belkinsa> Really.  I think the LoCo's and the LC (sorry guys) need to be rebooted and rethought about.
[20:57] <belkinsa> Really?*
[20:57] <BobJonkman1> Already there are cancellations for events that were organized by the Catalan team.
[20:58] <belkinsa> Oh dear.  that's a shame.
[20:58] <BobJonkman1> Think of what is best for the Ubuntu Community; don't just apply rules without evaluating if they're appropriate
[20:58] <belkinsa> +1
[20:59] <BobJonkman1> Anyway, enough from me.
[20:59] <belkinsa> Same, sorry for that!
[20:59] <belkinsa> ;)
[20:59] <BobJonkman1> I would be happy to participate in any forum on this topic to make my views known.
[20:59] <belkinsa> RIght, duh
[22:15] <genii> belkinsa: We actually just had an in-person meeting this Saturday with 4 members attending
[22:16] <belkinsa> That's good to hear, genii.
[22:16] <belkinsa> In person is always better than online.
[22:16] <genii> Especially when there's food :)
[22:16] <belkinsa> Indeed.


[14:20] <stas> newz2000: hi, today is the meetup?
[14:20] <cjohnston> stas: yes...
[14:21] <stas> cjohnston: thanks
[14:22] <cjohnston> np
[14:36] <newz2000> yep, meeting in about 2.5 hours
[14:41] <cjohnston> newz2000: i have the day off today
[14:41] <cjohnston> just for you
[14:41] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:41] <newz2000> I know you're too excited to wait to hear what's going on
[14:41] <newz2000> :-)
[14:41] <cjohnston> youd better call me and make sure im awake
[14:41] <cjohnston> ok maybe i was told to take the day off by the wife
[14:42] <cjohnston> and this just happened to be a benifit
[14:42] <cjohnston> but still
[14:42] <newz2000> turn your speakers up loud and I'll ping you
[14:42] <newz2000> :-)
[14:48] <cjohnston> hah
[14:49] <stas> :)
[14:51] <stas> btw will it be held here or on #ubuntu-meeting ?
[14:55] <cjohnston> good point
[14:55] <cjohnston> meeting
[15:26] <newz2000> #ubuntu-meeting
[16:02] <MTecknology> echowarp: how's it going?
[16:07] <echowarp> MTecknology: great. I gave newz a heads up on our work on ubuntu-drupal
[16:07] <echowarp> remember that the meeting is in ubuntu-meeting, not here
[16:07] <MTecknology> echowarp: cool, yup - i'm there
[18:37] <thorwil> newz2000: actually brand is not just more than a logo. some define brand as the outcome, how an entity is perceived by the audience/public. sabdfl stated that he shouldn't have called it brand, but rather visual identity, so that looks like a decision to follow that definition
[18:38] <thorwil> i admit it can be quite bothersome to avoid the use of "branding" to mean the application of a visual identity :/
[18:46] <stas> guys, the wordpress theme handles attachments ugly http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/talk-type/4601841187_273f368008_o/