[14:55] <mup> Issue operator#608 opened: Error "metric value is too large" when adding floating point metrics with CollectMetricsEvent.add_metrics <Created by umtdg> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/608>
[14:58] <mup> PR operator#609 opened: Do not try to convert metric value to decimal in _ModelBackendValidator.format_metric_value <Created by umtdg> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/609>
[15:29] <mup> PR operator#597 closed: Added "planned unit count" to model <Created by petevg> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/597>


[07:53] <xubuntu52i> hi
[07:53] <xubuntu52i> do you know how can I be part of the translation team of ubuntu?
[09:30] <dodi> Hi All, I am trying to install Xubuntu to an Acer Travelmate 8473 laptop but the boot stucks  on a screen with "Check finished: no errors found" I tried with multiple usb drives created with multiple methods always the same result. On this laptop bios the boot mode cannot be changed (EFI-Legacy).
[09:31] <dodi> This screen is before Grub menu where i should choose to install or boot from live etc.
[09:32] <dodi> Can you advise me anything i should try?
[09:52] <brainwash> dodi: is it the variant with two GPUs? if yes, I would switch to only one GPU in the BIOS and then try again
[09:55] <dodi> This is an older Core i5 without dedicated graphic card, only the gpu in the CPU is present
[09:55] <dodi> Now i try to create a18LTS disk to see if it works.
[10:38] <dodi> Finally i gave it up, this Xubuntu thing sucks. Now i install a different distro.
[10:49] <diogenes_> dodi, try to skip the filesystem check.
[10:50] <diogenes_> this is common for all Ubuntu flavors because it was introduced in 20.04 and it's annoying as hell.
[10:52] <dodi> diogenes, how can i do that? I tried to press everything but it just started to boot. BTW i just tired 18LTS with the same result.
[20:00] <eater9-> Hi, I'm trying to compile xfce4-terminal release <IP_ADDRESS> on Xubuntu 18.04 and it fails saying "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvte-2.91" -- any suggestions?
[20:01] <JackFrost> The vte version in that release removed support for pcre, so you should either use the patch that shipped with xfce4-terminal in 18.04 or backport the vte package from a newer release.
[20:03] <eater9-> Ahhh ok, thanks
[20:28] <bah> hi, trying to boot from a xubuntu 20 live usb, i get a quick message stating 'can't find grub_platform' before the grub menu loads...i've tried editing the kernal line with nomodeset...thinking maybe it's a gfx issue, but xubuntu never loads
[20:29] <bah> when i add nomodeset to boot line and hit ctrl-x, i see 'booting a command list' and a blinking cursor...and nothing happens after that


[11:04] <ben_> yoyo
[14:14] <polly> With regards to wayland sessions, how does it work with pcmanfm-qt desktop functionality? I recall there is no concept of a root window in wayland, so how would pcmanfm-qt manage stuff like desktop icons?
[23:16] <humpty> er,.. what's up with discourse.lubuntu.me ? It's just a frozen image.
 It's not working properly, it will be fixed (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <humpty> er,.. what's up with discourse.lubuntu.me ? It's just a frozen image.)


[09:03] <head_victim> So 12.04 is finally on my hardware instead of virtual machines.
[09:11] <sagaci> :)
[09:12] <md_5> and now my bnc can stay on freenode too. yay!
[09:12] <head_victim> md_5: nice work
[09:12] <md_5> I have 50 channels on esper
[09:12] <head_victim> I keep meaning to set one up but never get around to it
[09:12] <md_5> 2 on freenode (#ubuntu #ubuntu-au)
[09:12] <head_victim> I've reduced my list down to 22 on freenode and a couple on OFTC.
[09:13] <md_5> I went on a disconnect spree a few hours back. down to 37
[09:43] <head_victim> I can't get me-tv working :/
[09:43] <head_victim> Looks like they're aware of an issue and working on it.
[09:55] <sagaci> quake 3 on ubuntu?
[09:56] <head_victim> I play Urban Terror which is built of the q3 engine.
[09:56] <sagaci> student, 13, asks if quake 3 would run on ubuntu
[09:56] <sagaci> 1999 game
[09:56] <head_victim> Should do, perfectly fine.
[09:57] <head_victim> Maybe they're getting all nostalgic about the year they were born ;)
[09:57] <sagaci> just surprised one would want to play a game that pre-dates their existence
[09:58] <sagaci> let alone know about it
[09:58] <sagaci> seems to be interested in ubuntu, gave him a liveUSB with 12.04
[09:59] <head_victim> Always a good intro
[10:02] <md_5> uh I just figured out holding down the windows key displays a handy list of shortcuts
[10:02] <md_5> neat
[10:09] <head_victim> md_5: nice find, never knew that existed.
[10:09] <md_5> neither did I ;s
[10:09] <md_5> why does Unity make it so hard to add stuff to the dock
[10:10] <head_victim> Is it harder than in gnome shell?
[10:11] <md_5> There is no way to create a .desktop file that I can see
[10:11] <md_5> and It needs a .desktop file to pin it..
[10:12] <md_5> Thats a real joke head_victim appears there is no way other than to make it manually
[10:13] <head_victim> I'm just running programs and then right clicking and "lock to launcher"
[10:13] <md_5> doesn't work on all my java programs
[10:13] <md_5> ie the jars
[10:13] <md_5> or sublime text for some reason..
[12:17] <ikt> hey all
[12:22] <head_victim> Evening ikt
[12:22] <ikt> just putting up a bunch of screenshots from my seedbox on release day
[12:33] <head_victim> mmmm mailing list 101
[12:33] <head_victim> Nice work, I'm pretty happy with my 12.04 setup now
[12:33] <head_victim> A couple little kinks but very much functional in under an hour of work.
[12:34] <ikt> yeah definitely
[12:34] <ikt> very happy with the release
[12:34] <ikt> watching the avengers couldn't help but think about the UI's they were using were horrible
[12:34] <ikt> they look good in movies
[12:35] <ikt> but it was like touchscreen with conky
[12:35] <ikt> tons of conky stats in boxes that they swipe all over the screen and adjust on the fly
[12:35] <head_victim> Hah, that's one of the few kinks for me to iron out, need to install and config conky
[12:39] <ikt> I'm having trouble with it
[12:39] <ikt> conky looks great
[12:39] <ikt> but I hardly ever look at my desktop anymore it seems
[12:39] <ikt> I just go between file manager, audacious/vlc, chrome and xchat/irssi
[12:39] <head_victim> I don't think it will be hard I just haven't copied my old config over yet
[12:39] <head_victim> Yeah, I generally leave xchat on one scree with conky down the side of that permanently and use the other screen as my "do other stuff"
[12:40] <ikt> ah
[13:17] <head_victim> Well you got me inspired, conky is set up now
[13:17] <head_victim> I had a little tinkering with temperature locations but other than that, copy paste
[13:39] <head_victim> ikt: http://is.gd/WNNVOm
[13:39] <sagaci> nothing like having all your system info on the desktop
[13:40] <head_victim> Oh and sagaci's here as well :) Evening
[13:40] <sagaci> 8 sleeps
[13:40] <ikt> nice
[13:40] <ikt> double monitor?
[13:41] <head_victim> ikt: yeah, a 24 and a 22
[13:41] <ikt> hrmm can't see much
[13:41] <ikt> does flickr reduce the size of the image?
[13:41] <head_victim> Apparently so, googling now and the free one only does 1024
[13:41] <ikt> ah
[13:42] <ikt> drats
[13:42] <head_victim> I can upload a close up of any section if you like?
[13:42] <ikt> whole thing :D
[13:42] <ikt> imgur
[13:42] <head_victim> Hmm, sounds fair. I'll see how hard it is to set up
[13:43] <head_victim> http://i.imgur.com/PZugU.jpg
[13:43] <head_victim> Considering ditching the wallpaper for a plain black one
[13:45] <ikt> you're in a few chat rooms
[13:46] <ikt> rantandswear looks interesting
[13:46] <head_victim> Yeah, that's the list I culled.
[13:47] <ikt> good idea on the double monitor though
[13:47] <ikt> forgot you could have 2 monitors -_- and have conky/irc on one, other stuff on the other
[13:47] <ikt> atm I'm typing this on an 11" laptop
[13:47] <ikt> with my desktop next to it
[13:49] <sagaci> head_victim: did I take long to setup 2 monitors
[13:50] <sagaci> it
[13:50] <head_victim> Nope, just opened nvidia-settings
[13:50] <ikt> had much fun with hdmi?
[13:50] <head_victim> Both DVI
[13:50] <ikt> I plug my lappy into the tv using HDML, get video up but audio comes out of my laptop, and no hdmi audio out :S
[13:50] <ikt> hdmi*
[13:52] <head_victim> Ah, hardware or driver issue?
[13:55] <ikt> not sure
[13:55] <ikt> tried both ati and os drivers
[13:55] <ikt> neither worked
[13:55] <ikt> the ati drivers made it worse :S
[13:59] <head_victim> I'm currently playing around trying to see if I can get evolution to be a 1:1 offline backup for gmail for email, calendar and contacts.
[14:02] <ikt> which software do you use for contacts/calendar?
[14:03] <head_victim> evolution can do it
[14:14] <ikt> how do you sync to it?
[14:14] <ikt> like if you wanted to have cal on your phone + in evo?
[14:21] <head_victim> Gotta run for a bit, it's not too difficult but I can explain when I return
[14:25] <ikt> kk
[14:37] <head_victim> Still running away but the principle of it for me is to have an offline backup of my important google stuff so if they lock me out, go broke, shut down services, etc, I can still get my data and life goes on.
[14:54] <ikt> oh
[14:54] <ikt> O
[14:55] <ikt> I'm thinking more of a sync server
[14:55] <ikt> running LDAP + AD + WebDav/Cal or something
[16:15] <head_victim> ikt: it does that as well, you can use it instead of the web interface if you prefer. I'm only trying to use it for the backup purpose though
[20:23] <OnHaLT> hi all
[20:24] <OnHaLT> i want to install ubuntu 11.10 or 12.04  i have both live cd's but having problem and i could use any help and i am new to linux
[20:27] <OnHaLT> thank you


[12:55] <dandersson> I have been seeing hash sum mismatch errors when downloading from nl.archive.ubuntu.com every hour for more than 24 hours now. Sample `apt` log: https://paste.debian.net/1273235/ . It always concerns different files, the file sizes always match, and if I try downloading any of them afterwards their hash sums have the expected value.
[12:55] <dandersson> I guess it could be some network problem between that mirror and our machines (Azure West Europe), or e.g. a faulty drive on that mirror. Is there some clever way to pin-point this more, or should one just "wait it out"?
[13:09] <ravage> can you reproduce it from other clients?
[13:09] <ravage> could be a problem with your network and not the mirror's network
[13:09] <ravage> do you get the same errors from other mirrors?
[13:11] <ravage> to rule out any proxy problems you could try a mirror that supports https
[13:12] <ravage> https://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/ubuntu/ for example
[13:34] <dandersson> I only see it with nl.archive.ubuntu.com, but the same machine is querying other mirrors as well, both http and https (list taken of queried mirrors from one of the jobs: https://paste.debian.net/1273241/ ). I have not tried it with other clients than the ones we have running in Azure. I can try some repeated local updates against that mirror to see if it happens here as well.
[14:34] <Fluor> hi. dandersson. i'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i cant see anything odd going on that box.
[14:34] <Fluor> esp. since when you download the files afterwards it seems to be OK, not sure what could be wrong.
[14:55] <dandersson> I have been hammering nl.archive.ubuntu.com from other environments for a while and can't see any hash mismatch problems, while the Azure runners still see at least one for every run, somewhere between 25% and 50% for the packages requested from that mirror, but no such errors from other mirrors. I think it is safe to say that it has to be some network issues between Azure and the host, and
[14:55] <dandersson> that the mirror itself is fine. Thanks for the help and ideas!
[15:30] <tomreyn> dandersson: azure probably provides 'local' mirrors, maybe use those, or use httpS


[00:03] <xubuntu068> I've tried a few suggestions given in the ubuntu manuals: deleting the quiet splash command, adding nomodeset, vga=771, xforcevesa and a few others but all that happens that shortly after leaving the boot menu, the screen goes white. The CD continues to run actively for several minutes but nothing changes.
[00:04] <xubuntu068> Any suggestions?
[00:07] <xubuntu068> Oops, forgot to describe the computer. Its a Toshiba Satellite 5000 with Pentium III, 512 MG RAM, 37.5 GB Hard-drive (presently with windows XP, about 26 MB of free space.   I'm finding it highly annoying.  How can I turn it off?
[00:38] <Rainwave> I've already set it to update every week and automatically install and I tried turning it off using Sessions and Startup but it persists.
[00:44] <RFleming> Greetings!
[01:26] <randomnomad> im trying to get audio to passthrough my hdmi connection
[01:26] <randomnomad> is there any one that could help me set this up
[02:25] <xubuntu340> lo?
[02:26] <cfhowlett> DesuTM greetings.  ask your questions
[02:27] <Desu_TM> brb crash report :(
[02:27] <Desu_TM> "The system log from your installation contains an error."
[02:27] <Desu_TM> is this a corrupt iso?
[02:28] <holstein> !md5 > Desu_TM
[02:28] <Desu_TM> ty for that :)
[02:29] <holstein> an error in the system log could be anything, though
[02:29] <Desu_TM> well last time I had, I googled it and it turned out to be a grub error, but i dont know about this time is all
[02:30] <holstein> could be just a message
[02:30] <Desu_TM> fair enough
[02:30] <holstein> Desu_TM: what is the message?
[02:30] <Desu_TM> hang on
[02:30] <Desu_TM> ill see if i can get it
[02:31] <Desu_TM> The system log from your installation contains an error.  The specific error commonly occurs when there is an issue with the disk to which you are trying to install Ubuntu.  It is recommended that you back up important data on your disk and investigate the situation.  Measures you might take include cehcking cable connections for your disks and using software tools to investigate the health of your hardware.
[02:31] <holstein> Desu_TM: thats what i was thinking.. a potential bad hard drive
[02:32] <Desu_TM> i was dual booting with win 7 ultimate and it started blue screening all the time
[02:32] <Desu_TM> so i figured id try zubuntu
[02:32] <Desu_TM> same again :(
[02:32] <Desu_TM> it's not an old laptop
[02:33] <Desu_TM> I*xubuntu
[02:33] <cfhowlett> Desu_TM bsod with different OS's is a pretty definitive sign of hardware failure
[02:33] <holstein> Desu_TM: blue screens can be due to failing hard drives
[02:34] <Desu_TM> damn :/
[02:34] <holstein> Desu_TM: i would just fire up a  hard drive test, and see
[02:34] <Desu_TM> might need a new hard drive then?
[02:34] <holstein> Desu_TM: drives are cheap, and you data should be backed up, regardless
[02:34] <Desu_TM> well with me wiping my drive and dual booting up again to clean it out, i didnt have anything of value anyway
[02:35] <Desu_TM> thank you for your help though :)
[02:35] <Desu_TM> I was thinking maybe a video card or something
[02:36] <holstein> Desu_TM: it literally could be anything.. start at the beginning and test
[02:36] <Desu_TM> cool. cheers dude.
[02:36] <Desu_TM> ill get on it. laters
[02:36] <holstein> Desu_TM: there are memory tests, and hard drive tests easily accessilbe from live CD's
[02:37] <Desu_TM> sweet. I'll make sure I do them all. cheers guys
[02:37] <holstein> Desu_TM: good luck!
[02:37] <Desu_TM> haha thanks
[08:17] <ZatsuneNoMokou> anybody here?
[08:28] <bazhang> yep
[08:31] <MagRel> Hi, Can you help me with samba?
[08:32] <elfy> !ask
[08:34] <MagRel> I try lots of tips, how to do it. At last, I try this: http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-and-configure-samba-share-in-ubuntu/
[08:34] <MagRel> And finally it looks like work. But my problems start in step 6.
[08:36] <MagRel> I click on samba in menu, and see only symbol for waiting.
[08:40] <MagRel> Anyone can help me?
[08:41] <bekks> MagRel: We dont know without a specifix support question.
[08:45] <MagRel> bekks> Ok, I try to run samba in console, and make printscreen.
[08:47] <bekks> MagRel: Thats not a question until now.
[08:48] <MagRel> This I can see after try to start samba in console. http://postimg.org/image/kviaxw007/
[08:50] <bekks> MagRel: Thats not how you start samba.
[08:50] <bekks> !samba | MagRel
[08:52] <MagRel> Thx, but i dont use windows, I have 2 PC with xubuntu.
[08:54] <MagRel> 3 years back, its work for me on ubuntu.
[08:56] <bekks> MagRel: Then pleasae read the links given on how to setup and use samba on linux.
[08:56] <bekks> MagRel: the second link is essential.
[09:01] <MagRel> Ok, I read this and try it. But I try way from http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/samba and ubuntu forum, and I've used a lot of google. It is not that I would not seek a right to ask. Looking for a solution for several days.
[09:01] <donc3> I have a memmory usb 3.0 that is only recognized in the usb 2.0 port
[09:01] <donc3> this is the output of dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/7217477/
[09:01] <donc3> can anyone help me?
[09:12] <MagRel> I read that article, but it is not I need.
[09:16] <bekks> MagRel: It actually is needed since it tells you how to setup and configure samba.
[09:22] <MagRel> I read it, I suppose, that in the first text (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently) I suppose I do like I did not have xubuntu, but win. Problem Is it possible that I'm upset system to its prior practice. Is there any other way to share files between two Linux systems? Security is very important this time, it is a one-off transfer between two computers on which I am the only user.
[09:23] <MagRel> Sorry for the mistake, I meant to say that for my security is not important.
[09:31] <knome> MagRel, what's your native language?
[09:39] <MagRel> knome> My native language is Czech. For a long time I did not speak English. But the technical documentation I can read with understanding. I used google translate so I can respond quicker. But now I guess it was not the best idea.
[09:39] <knome> !cz | MagRel
[11:33] <Dmitriy_> Hello. Can anybody help with problem on x14.04. On login screen after few seconds system will stop react on any keys or mouse
[11:33] <Dmitriy_> Sorry for bad english
[12:19] <CyborgCygnus> How do you use a terminal to clear cache, tmp files ect in xubuntu? Does it even do that, is there something for it in the system settings?
[12:55] <xubuntu900> hi
[12:59] <baizon> hi h
[12:59] <baizon> hi hi
[13:01] <HusTler> hi
[13:01] <HusTler> Installed xubuntu last night and really diggin it!
[13:17] <xubuntu369> sudo afk-all install
[13:17] <xubuntu369> sudo hallp
[13:18] <knome> xubuntu369, do you have a support issue?
[13:22] <it_robin> hi people
[13:24] <it_robin> i have a support question anyone available?
[13:24] <knome> just ask and people will answer if they know the answer
[13:25] <it_robin> i have a atom pc with 2gb RAM and graphic install is failing. is there a command at boot menu to start text mode?
[13:26] <it_robin> probably trivial but couldn't find it
[13:26] <RFleming> Morning
[13:27] <it_robin> good afternoon from here
[13:28] <RFleming> the wonders of the web!
[13:29] <RFleming> hows xubuntu doing today knome?  Happy so far?
[13:29] <it_robin> well i do have a Q
[13:29] <it_robin> how can i install xubuntu in text mode
[13:29] <RFleming> ask and ye shall receive, eventually
[13:29] <knome> RFleming, trying to recover from sickness.
[13:29] <it_robin> i have a Atom pc with 2 gb ram
[13:29] <RFleming> Umm, you don't :)
[13:30] <it_robin> graphics are failing :D
[13:30] <RFleming> I'm assuming as in text mode, you mean no xfce :)
[13:30] <RFleming> it_robin, install ubuntu server
[13:30] <knome> !minimal
[13:30] <knome> it_robin, you can use that and then select xubuntu-desktop on the task selection
[13:30] <it_robin> hmm ok perhaps i could install xfce afterwards
[13:30] <knome> though if you're having trouble installing, you might have trouble running..
[13:30] <it_robin> true true
[13:31] <it_robin> the old install is a ubuntu 9.04
[13:32] <it_robin> well gonna try the minimal install and see where i ends
[13:32] <it_robin> i could always do lubuntu right?
[13:34] <RFleming> knome, hope you get to feeling better
[13:35] <RFleming> it_robin, if you say you're having graphical issues, and you just want a command line interface, then I would use ubuntu server.  It's made for cli, and LTS lasts 5 years, not 3
[13:35] <RFleming> you could always install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop on top later.
[13:35] <RFleming> it'll also be rock solid
[13:35] <RFleming> (unless you have hardware problems)
[13:35] <it_robin> thats true
[13:36] <it_robin> i have several ubuntu server running here so let's do that
[13:37] <it_robin> anyway thanks people i now have some leads i can follow
[13:37] <RFleming> you're very welcome.
[13:53] <delt> hello
[13:53] <delt> /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service pukes the following error: (process:3359): libindicator-WARNING **: No watchers, service timing out.
[13:53] <delt> since updating 14.04 from beta1 to current packages
[13:54] <delt> hello GridCube, maybe you can help
[13:54] <GridCube> i dont know
[13:54] <delt> trying to get /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service up and running again
[13:54] <delt> pukes this error: (process:3359): libindicator-WARNING **: No watchers, service timing out.
[13:55] <delt> a few days ago i updated to current packages and it broke a few things, now i updated again and most of those breakages are fixed.
[13:55] <delt> except this one.
[13:58] <delt> oh wait, seems like it's fixed now! just had to logout and log back in after uninstalling and reinstalling the indicator-sound-gtk2 package :D
[13:58] <RFleming> the best kind of problem.  one that fixes itself. :)
[13:59] <delt> haha yep
[14:00] <kabamaru> hi
[14:01] <kabamaru> i setup
[14:01] <kabamaru> the xubuntu 13
[14:01] <kabamaru> but i have a problem
[14:02] <kabamaru> the firefox dont have a flash player
[14:08] <baizon> kabamaru: yes, you can install flash?
[14:08] <baizon> kabamaru: http://askubuntu.com/questions/341428/how-to-install-flash-player-on-ubuntu
[14:14] <GridCube> kabamaru, do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:49] <lovetruth> hello
[14:49] <lovetruth> after I installed fglrx driver and few network changes my PC starts in about 2 minutes
[14:49] <lovetruth> and before it did in few seconds!...
[14:49] <lovetruth> more exactly, now in 2:20 minutes!...
[14:49] <lovetruth> what can I do to fix this???...
[14:53] <koegs> lovetruth: you can use bootchart to check whats taking so long
[14:53] <lovetruth> that is some application or?
[14:54] <koegs> yes, install bootchart "sudo apt-get install bootchart", now pngs will be put to /var/log/bootchart
[15:01] <lovetruth> koegs: here is dmesg output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7221933/
[15:01] <lovetruth> see that large gap?...
[15:05] <lovetruth> koegs: it seems to be fglrx
[15:05] <lovetruth> what can I do?...
[15:26] <lovetruth> c'mon...
[15:26] <holstein> lovetruth: do you have a support question?
[15:26] <lovetruth> yes
[15:27] <lovetruth> I've got 2, actually... :)
[15:27] <holstein> lovetruth: you can revert to the other driver which seems to provide a boot time you prefer
[15:27] <lovetruth> yes... but I need the full functionality of my Radeon HD Graphic Card...
[15:28] <holstein> lovetruth: ok. then, you understand the compromise that is made
[15:28] <lovetruth> I guess that ... :)
[15:28] <lovetruth> another question:
[15:28] <holstein> lovetruth: you were not guaranteed linux support with that device, so, this is one of the compromises you may have to make to provide yourself linux support
[15:29] <lovetruth> ah... do I have guaranteed linux support on some graphic card?...
[15:29] <holstein> lovetruth: you ask the vendor.. system76 for example provides linux support
[15:30] <holstein> intel also usually provides linux support, at least for most devices
[15:30] <RFleming> lovetruth, yes, those that are supported by the manufacturer with their drivers.  AMD/ATI will support cards for so long before they're written out of the drivers.  Drivers only work with certain kernel versions before the manufacturer decides to stop writing for older kernels, so it's quite possible to upgrade your OS and no longer have a supported graphics card for your driver.
[15:31] <holstein> AMD or nnvidia can choose not to support linux with a proprietary driver, since they didnt promise to do so
[15:31] <holstein> lovetruth: there are ppa's that steam recomends users add to get the latest drivers
[15:32] <lovetruth> thank you :)
[15:33] <lovetruth> also... is it possible to change the order of NICs in Xubuntu?...
[15:33] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa is that PPA, though, ppa's are not officially supported
[15:33] <holstein> lovetruth: yes
[15:33] <lovetruth> how?...
[15:33] <holstein> http://www.banym.de/linux/centos/change-network-device-name-from-eth1-back-to-eth0
[15:34] <RFleming> ?
[15:34] <holstein> http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/change-the-network-card-name-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[15:34] <lovetruth> ok... but I have some virtual NIC I want to be first :)
[15:34] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2185051
[15:34] <lovetruth> like , I creaded one using ip link
[15:34] <holstein> lovetruth: put them where you like
[15:35] <lovetruth> ip li add link eth0 cad0 address 00:xx:...
[15:35] <holstein> the names and reference to the names are relevant
[15:35] <lovetruth> but I can't see this interface in 70-permanent
[15:35] <lovetruth> and don't know how can I add it , if that is even possible
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: its all open, so, theoretically, if you care to research *anything* is possible
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: i would suggest going to the main #ubuntu channel, since that is not specific to xubuntu or xfce, and you may have a larger base of volunteers to help you
[15:36] <lovetruth> yes... but how :) I am searching for this for 2 days...
[15:36] <holstein> lovetruth: you can also truy the server channels
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: you really shouldnt need to change those, but the links i gave describe how to change names
[15:37] <lovetruth> I actually have a wine app
[15:37] <lovetruth> that requires certain MAC
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: there may be a larger question that is, why are you trying to change them? and is there a better way to deal with it?
[15:37] <lovetruth> and I managed to get the app under wine working
[15:37] <holstein> lovetruth: wine is *always* a compromise
[15:38] <lovetruth> but I didn't manage to fix the MAC. I did change the real NIC's MAC, and it worked
[15:38] <holstein> lovetruth: you should be able to refer to whatever nic you like there, rather than changing the core of the OS to conform to an application that is not intended to run on it
[15:38] <lovetruth> but I cannot have the real NIC's MAC changed for some local reasons...
[15:38] <holstein> lovetruth: the MAC is not broken, so, you wont need to fix kit
[15:38] <lovetruth> the app does require certain MAC
[15:39] <lovetruth> (old licence issue, it's on some old PC's MAC)
[15:39] <holstein> lovetruth: i would either try a networking/linux channel, or try a native application
[15:39] <lovetruth> it's ProE 3.0
[15:39] <lovetruth> didn't find native app for that
[15:40] <lovetruth> so MAC change of virtual NIC seemed the best
[15:40] <lovetruth> :)
[15:40] <RFleming> lovetruth, in /etc/network/interfaces you can override the MAC address via the hwaddress scope
[15:40] <RFleming> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[15:40] <RFleming> hwaddress ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
[15:40] <lovetruth> RFleming: did change the MAC, using if eth0 hw ether xx:yy...
[15:41] <lovetruth> but I can't have the real NIC's MAC changed
[15:41] <lovetruth> so I need some virtual NIC with that MAC
[15:41] <lovetruth> got that, but it's not seen as the first in wine
[15:41] <lovetruth> and Wine says that the Wine software sees the Linux's NIC order
[15:41] <lovetruth> order of NICs*
[15:41] <RFleming> lovetruth, then create a virtual nic
[15:42] <lovetruth> I created a virtual NIC using ip li add link eth0 cad0 address xx:yy:...
[15:42] <lovetruth> the cad0 interface is up and even has some ips
[15:43] <lovetruth> but wine looks first at eth0
[15:43] <lovetruth> and says that MAC is not right for it...
[15:43] <RFleming> which is correct.
[15:43] <lovetruth> and wine says that it looks up the Linux's order of NICS. Whichever is first in Linux, is first in MAC...
[15:43] <RFleming> your app needs to be told which nic to bind to
[15:43] <lovetruth> yes
[15:43] <lovetruth> how?...
[15:44] <holstein> lovetruth: in the application
[15:44] <holstein> lovetruth: what are you trying to do? can you just replace that funtionality with a native application? wine will *always* be a compromise
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: if the windows application, that is not intended to run on linux, doesent allow you to bind in linux, then, i sugggest looking for a linux application
[15:45] <lovetruth> didn't find ProE for linux
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: what are you trying to do?
[15:45] <lovetruth> run that. ProE :)
[15:45] <RFleming> that's a question for the WINE people
[15:45] <holstein> lovetruth: what functionatliy? friend
[15:46] <lovetruth> it's a CAD software
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: the fact is.. nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing ProE from running on linux
[15:46] <lovetruth> you design stuff with it
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: but, the ProE creators are preventing that.. so, it will *always* be a compromise
[15:46] <holstein> lovetruth: you shouldnt need networking access to "design stuff" with it
[15:46] <lovetruth> I know :)
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: you should look for native replacements. or, run windows in virtualbox.. or, dualboot
[15:47] <lovetruth> but that was the way they designed their licence back then
[15:47] <lovetruth> by MAC
[15:47] <lovetruth> under windows I was able to create a virtual NIC using VirtualBox
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: their licensing is irrelevant here
[15:47] <lovetruth> and change MAC on that and it worked
[15:47] <holstein> lovetruth: nothing about linux or xubuntu is preventing that from happening.. ProE is pvrenting this from happening
[15:48] <lovetruth> but on linux the vboxnet0 adapter that virtualbox created doesn't start unless I start VirtualBox itself...
[15:48] <holstein> lovetruth: you need to ideally get a "fix" from them
[15:48] <lovetruth> asked the ProE and they told me to use Windows :) ...
[15:48] <holstein> lovetruth: correct
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: thats what you will need to do, if this applications top notch performance is a number one priority, you will do what they say
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: we are not preventing it from working in linux.. .and, cant facilitate it any more than providing, and suggesting wine
[15:49] <poopuser> Hi. For some reason Xorg chooses wrong resolution rendering display blank. Currently writing from 1st tty. How can I force xorg to reconsider the settings? xrandr --auto brags about wrong display.
[15:49] <holstein> lovetruth: you will do best going to wine for support, and/or deciding between virtuabox *or* wine
[15:50] <holstein> lovetruth: you reference both above, and you dont need wine to run windows in virtualbox.. it could be that simple
[15:50] <holstein> lovetruth: you can tell virtualbox to be on your lan, not on NAT behind your host's NIC
[15:51] <holstein> poopuser: i'll use a custom xorg.conf if arandr doesnt work.. assuming the devices can display what im trying to send them
[15:52] <poopuser> holstein: it's the only device available so I won't get on the browser for info about how to do so. Need a quick fix, a workaround even most dirty.
[15:52] <holstein> poopuser: you can use a live CD to get to a browser
[15:53] <poopuser> holstein: maybe I could set 'DISPLAY=' argument and then run xrandr but I am not good at those.
[15:53] <lovetruth> poopuser: I've been using xrandr
[15:53] <lovetruth> just need to find out right display
[15:53] <lovetruth> it can be HDMI-0 or 1 or 2 or whatever you're using
[15:54] <lovetruth> xrandr -q ?
[15:55] <holstein> poopuser: there is a graphics repair in the recovery kernel
[15:55] <lovetruth> xrandr --output CHOSENDISPLAY --auto
[15:55] <lovetruth> try several?... like DVI-0 and so?...
[16:04] <Guest34755> wanted to translate xfce package that is at xubuntu then update xfce upsteams. It makes it easier to see how it looks like before committing it. Is there any way to do it?
[16:04] <delt> just wondering, how do i get the normal bootup messages instead of the screen with 4 flashing dots =)
[16:13] <Ribeirsg> algum tuga presente?
[16:14] <cfhowlett> !es|Ribeirsg
[16:14] <Pici> !br
[16:14] <cfhowlett> doh!
[16:28] <RFleming> delt, http://askubuntu.com/questions/248/how-can-i-show-or-hide-boot-messages-when-ubuntu-starts
[16:34] <RFleming> slow day
[16:39] <xubuntu265> is there any reason why i shouldn't be able to get the fixed openssl version from the standard repositories in the 14.04 beta?
[16:39] <xubuntu265> last i find is the 1.0.1f
[16:40] <holstein> xubuntu265: its not out yet, so, maybe its not updated.. did you ask in #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:42] <xubuntu265> no, I haven't. is that the beta channel?
[16:42] <holstein> !14.04
[16:42] <elfy> try updating - I got that this morning
[16:42] <elfy> xubuntu265: ^^
[16:43] <holstein> yeah... you can try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if you get newer updates.. or, with the package/update manager of your choice
[16:43] <xubuntu265> yeah i tried that, didnt help much
[16:43] <xubuntu265> thanks though, ill try the beta channel
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu265: you tried what? updating your package cache? and upgrading packages? are you getting 404's on the repos?
[16:44] <xubuntu265> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:44] <xubuntu265> that
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu265: no errors from "sudo apt-get update" ?
[16:45] <xubuntu265> none
[16:45] <holstein> xubuntu265: updates should be there for newer packages as they come in..
[16:45] <RFleming> elfy, we're not going to see a minor version number increase for the application of a patch, are we?
[16:46] <xubuntu265> so, just wait?
[16:46] <RFleming> still going to show 1.0.1 14 March 2012?
[16:46] <holstein> xubuntu265: thats what i would do... just keep checking for the updates, and check in #ubuntu+1
[16:47] <xubuntu530> hi all I'm trying to install xubtunu beta 2 final with liveusb and after the screen to chosose  install xubuntu my computer always reboot anyone know what can be ?
[16:47] <elfy> holstein: they are in +1 - I'm waiting for a repsonse
[16:48] <holstein> elfy: cheers...
[16:49]  * RFleming is referring to OpenSSL patch
[16:49] <elfy> so are we all RFleming :)
[16:49] <RFleming> no, I meant my question
[16:49] <RFleming> the version number isn't changing
[16:49] <RFleming> I had the patch, but still shows 1.0.1 14 Mar 2012
[16:50] <RFleming> s/had/installed
[16:50] <elfy> oic no idea what numbering
[16:51] <RFleming> wrong box... mine shows 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014
[16:51] <RFleming> which is still not Apr :)
[17:01] <RFleming> elfy, found the answer
[17:01] <RFleming> run     openssl version -a     and check the built on date
[17:01] <skribblezatcha> hi there RFleming.
[17:01] <RFleming> hey skribblezatcha
[17:02] <skribblezatcha> brb, i am going to go and make a cup of coffee.
[17:52] <Seppe> Best,
[17:55] <Seppe> best i have a macbook 3.1 and installed xubuntu 13.10 as my main, as i was at home it was working fine untill i try to use my wifi somewhere else. some places it connect. some places i give my wifi pass and it tries to connect but does not. somebody who ca help me?
[17:57] <holstein> Seppe: not really. you can try different drivers, assuming one is available.. but, i typically see that as well, and find it to be on the server side.. a configuration of the wifi access point.. older, mis-configured or out of date firmware, or other problems
[17:57] <Seppe> where to begin :p?
[17:58] <Seppe> i'm quite new to the xubuuntu so..
[17:58] <holstein> Seppe: i recently changed the time to live settings for the DHCP server on the wifi access point at a coffee shop i frequent, and so far, the performance has improved
[17:58] <holstein> Seppe: *you* are potentially not having *any* problem
[17:59] <Seppe> but it's at more than oneplace i'm getting this problem
[17:59] <holstein> Seppe: so, you begin by determining where the issue is.. is it you? or the wifi at the place you are visiting.. if you find its not you, then you either try and address the place, and see if they will "fix" the issue
[17:59] <holstein> Seppe: sure.. as i stated, i see this *many* places.. and, i addressed the issue at on of the businesses personally by changing the ttl on the DHCP server..
[18:00] <holstein> Seppe: but, you *are* connecting at the place where you configured your network.. and other places.. and, you cant confirm that hte network is setup properly at the places you cannot connect.. so, you cant assume its a problem on your end that you need to "fix"
[18:01] <Seppe> but when i tryto connect after giving the correct pass it just times out
[18:01] <Seppe> it is
[18:01] <Seppe> because it works on other pc's and smartphne
[18:01] <Seppe> smarthphones*
[18:01] <holstein> Seppe: ok.. i have seen that *exact* issue at *many* places...
[18:03] <holstein> Seppe: if you are asking how to fix it, i say, confirm what is broken.. and you can always try other drivers, assuming they are available.. sometimes broadcom chips have different drivers you can try
[18:04] <Seppe> that's what i'm searching for because at the 5 places i'f been 3 places it wont connect but others can. and so van i with my phone
[18:05] <Seppe> but if it's my driver it would'nt connect anywhere
[18:05] <holstein> Seppe: yes.. same here
[18:05] <Seppe> and because the others can connect i dont see the problem with thee router
[18:05] <holstein> Seppe: i have addressed that server side at the one coffee shop i have access to help, personally, and at my house
[18:06] <Seppe> problem is that they are all home routers
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> sometimes, just because you see the connection available to connect to, doesnt mean that its close enough to literally connect to.
[18:07] <ben_xyzzy> Does Xubuntu ship with anything that can display from my laptop webcam?
[18:07] <Seppe> thought of that
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> ben_xyzzy: sudo apt-get install cheese
[18:07] <skribblezatcha> Seppe: you said that you are using 13.10?
[18:08] <ben_xyzzy> Cheers
[18:08] <skribblezatcha> cheers.
[18:08] <Seppe> yep
[18:08] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, do you have inxi in repo's yet?
[18:09] <skribblezatcha> run sudo apt-get install inxi and see if inxi is in repo's Seppe.
[18:09] <GridCube> !info inxi
[18:09] <holstein> Seppe: occasionally, changing my physical proximity to the router helps.. i have only had access to a few networks, where, when i update firmware, and configure properly, *all* my machines connect
[18:09] <Seppe> sec
[18:09] <holstein> Seppe: if you have other drivers available such as a broadcom chip that happens to have other drivers, you can try them..
[18:09] <skribblezatcha> cool, thanks GridCube.
[18:11] <skribblezatcha> Seppe: let me know when inxi is installed please.
[18:12] <Seppe> sec
[18:12] <skribblezatcha> ok.
[18:12] <Seppe> jep
[18:13] <skribblezatcha> cool, now right there in your chat window, enter this command: /exec -o inxi -Nn
[18:13] <skribblezatcha> then hit enter please.
[18:14] <Seppe> he?
[18:15] <skribblezatcha> type this command as if you were typing it to me: /exec -o inxi -Nn
[18:15] <Seppe> did it
[18:16] <skribblezatcha> no you didnt.
[18:16] <Seppe> but i'm not on my problematic laptop right now , just ssaying
[18:16] <Seppe> i can't connect to the internet on that laptop
[18:16] <skribblezatcha> if you had done that, i would see the output here in the room.
[18:17] <skribblezatcha> o i see, i thought that you were on that laptop. well you would have to be on that laptop to be able to troubleshoot it. sorry.
[18:17] <Seppe> :(
[18:18] <skribblezatcha> this is what inxi does and what i was looking for Seppe.
[18:18] <skribblezatcha> i see that gdebi is having issues right now. bummer.
[18:21] <skribblezatcha> 12Network:     12Card-1:  Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller  12driver  r8169
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12IF:  eth0  12state  down  12mac  <filter>
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12Card-2:  Realtek RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller  12driver  rtl8192se
[18:21] <skribblezatcha>  12             12IF:  wlan0  12state  up  12mac  <filter>
[18:22] <skribblezatcha> see, that command using inxi shows your card info, so that we know what drivers are being used as well as the name of your wifi card.
[18:23] <Seppe> i know i have a broadom
[18:24] <skribblezatcha> ok cool Seppe. you cant get connected to internet AT ALL with the other laptop?
[18:24] <Seppe> nope
[18:24] <Seppe> not here
[18:24] <holstein> Seppe: you said you could, at home
[18:25] <skribblezatcha> ok, well when you can get connected using that laptop..come back when using it.
[18:25] <Seppe> separeted parents
[18:25] <Seppe> at the one i can the other i cant
[18:25] <Seppe> ok
[18:25] <holstein> Seppe: so, you *can* connect at a few access points, correct?
[18:25] <Seppe> correct
[18:27] <Seppe> i'll ttry to find an ethernet cable and comeback!
[18:27] <skribblezatcha> ok cool Seppe.
[18:33] <zleap> hi
[18:34] <skribblezatcha> gdebi-installer stopped working in trusty.
[18:53] <junka> skribblezatcha, for trusty go #ubuntu+1
[18:53] <skribblezatcha> i know junka, thanks.:)
[20:02] <longbonglungfish> hello all! i'm having a very strange issue with a particular college website under all the browsers i use on xubuntu 13.10. the site is as follows: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/ the issue is that, whether i'm using firefox, midori or even the internal browser of rssowl, that site will never load if javascript is enabled (but it's needed to use the site), if javascript is disabled, the site loads fine,
[20:02] <longbonglungfish>  but i can't fill out most of the forms on it. can anyone help me with this? it's extremely frustrating. i asked a friend who uses os x to test out the site on his machine, and it loads fine, with or without javascript.
[20:03] <skribblezatcha> do you happen to have javascript installed longbonglungfish?
[20:05] <longbonglungfish> what do you mean by 'installed'? i'd certainly assume so, as javascript works fine everywhere. this is the only site i've encountered that won't load if javascript is enabled.
[20:05] <skribblezatcha> also whats up with flash, would you happen to have that installed?
[20:06] <longbonglungfish> yes.
[20:06] <skribblezatcha> ok longbonglungfish do me a favor please and open the software-center and tell me when you have done that please.
[20:06] <longbonglungfish> opened
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> ok in software-center search flash, and install flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-downloader
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> once those are installed let me know please.
[20:07] <longbonglungfish> those are already installed.
[20:07] <skribblezatcha> great.
[20:08] <longbonglungfish> also, the site doesn't seem to care about flash at all. no idea what's going on here.
[20:08] <skribblezatcha> now search jre please longbonglungfish.
[20:08] <skribblezatcha> or java.
[20:09] <skribblezatcha> do you see the jre7 there longbonglungfish?
[20:09] <longbonglungfish> well, i actually do a little java coding for hobbyist purposes,  so i have jre6 and 7 installed. i don't see what that has to do with javascript and the website though.
[20:10] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, now do you happen to have the icedtea plugin installed?
[20:11] <longbonglungfish> yep.
[20:11] <skribblezatcha> ok, well then hmmm. i dont know. i just clicked on the site and all seemed well for me and i am using puppy linux at the moment.
[20:12] <skribblezatcha> brb, i am going to xubuntu real click, then toss me the link again so that i can see if it works there ok?
[20:12] <longbonglungfish> thanks! here it is: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/
[20:12] <skribblezatcha> wait, let me get to xubuntu and then resend it. one sec.
[20:12] <elfy> longbonglungfish: I just went there - I could fill in the form ok
[20:14] <elfy> not got around to installing any java at all here just flash
[20:14] <longbonglungfish> holy cow. any idea what could be going wrong?
[20:15] <elfy> none I'm afraid, this is pretty much a vanilla install
[20:15] <elfy> though 14.04
[20:15] <zleap> is it me or do java and flash cause a heck of a lot of problems
[20:15] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[20:15] <longbonglungfish> here you go again: https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/
[20:15] <elfy> zleap: for some - in the 7 years I've been about - not for me
[20:15] <skribblezatcha> thanks longbonglungfish.
[20:15] <moetunes> is the issue black text on a black background or similar ?
[20:16] <zleap> elfy, maybe its just certain hardware
[20:16] <longbonglungfish> nono. it's simply that the aforementioned site will not load in any browser unless i have javascript turned off  in the browser. the problem is, javascript is needed for the site to function properly.
[20:16] <zleap> hmm
[20:17] <zleap> sounds like the webmaster really knew what he / she was doing eh
[20:17] <longbonglungfish> so all i get is the login page, but i can't complete the application process because most elements of it require javascript.
[20:17] <Artemis3> use noscript and enable only what you need?
[20:18] <longbonglungfish> then if i enable javascript, the page just loads and loads and loads and loads and never finishes. i could leave it doing that for an hour and no progress at all.
[20:18] <longbonglungfish> just a blank page and it doesn't progress.
[20:18] <skribblezatcha> longbonglungfish: someone that i know had the same issue with online banking. the site wouldnt allow for anything other than the official java to be used.
[20:19] <skribblezatcha> that could be the case with the site that you are trying to access right now. its a bummer, but places do it for some reason.
[20:19] <skribblezatcha> the dude that i know called the bank and they didnt care, and wouldnt change it to accept an opensource version of java either.
[20:20] <longbonglungfish> but it's javascript, not java. it also works perfectly on a buddy's os x machine, and all his stuff is severely outdated.
[20:20] <skribblezatcha> the site loads for me though, after a while.
[20:20] <skribblezatcha> well the page has loaded for me here, want to see a screenshot?
[20:22] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04082014_-_04_20_57_PM-HBuDdmMO.png
[20:25] <longbonglungfish> shit. this is terrible. don't know what's going on. thanks anyway guys.
[21:07] <zleap> hi jono
[21:14] <Guest28234> test
[21:23] <graffy> hi, when will 14.04 be released?
[21:24] <zleap> next thursday hopefully 17th
[21:24] <graffy> I need to reformat my server but I think I should wait
[21:24] <graffy> ok
[21:24] <graffy> great
[21:24] <zleap> graffy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[21:24] <graffy> yes I wasn't sure if there was some dealy for xubuntu
[21:25] <zleap> it should be on schedule
[21:25] <zleap> i sually wait a few days after to avoid the rush
[21:25] <graffy> excellent thanks
[21:25] <graffy> yeah, I will schedule my upgrade for the following Monday
[21:28] <zleap> np
[21:28] <zleap> i need to get the isos, downloaded scp'd on to my 2nd computer + cd / dvd burner and make some copies
[21:43] <graffy> one of my friends runs a pxe server with installers for many popular distros
[21:43] <graffy> I think that's the coolest way to try a new OS


[04:45] <BLZbubba> is there an easy way to just add the backend to a text-only ubuntu server install?
[06:51] <qwebirc21572> i am having a diffucult time getting mkv files to play through mythvideo (10.04) i'm not sure what i'm missing or how to set mythbuntu up for this
[07:01] <rhpot1991> qwebirc21572: odds are you don't have videos of that extension enabled, check the mythvideo settings
[07:16] <qwebirc21572> mkv and avi extensions are both set for the internal player on default and neither types of video will play
[09:37] <qwebirc82026> I am trying to install the mythbrowser, but it is currently telling me that the package mythbrowser isn't available
[09:38] <qwebirc82026> Any suggestions on how to either add it to the sources.list or download it seperately?
[09:51] <maeglin> I see a mythbrowser package. What repository are you using? I have .23-1 fixes, instructions here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[09:53] <superm1> if you are on a 0.24 build, it's a known issue right now
[09:53] <superm1> the PPA's are lagging for the builds
[09:53] <superm1> we're looking for a short term solution still, and have plans for a long term solution


[00:22] <Pici> grm
[00:22] <Pici> !pptp
[00:22] <Pici> Thats not helpful at all
[00:24] <Pici> ubottu: forget pptp
[06:01] <genii> Might be a nice url for pptp factoid: http://tipotheday.com/2008/04/29/connect-to-windows-vpn-server-pptp-with-ubuntu-hardy-heron/
[08:33] <ikonia> elk are you there ?
[08:35] <ikonia> el
[08:35] <ikonia> oops
[08:35]  * genii sips and looks out for genus cervus
[08:35] <ikonia> @
[08:50] <genii> Weird. All this animosity against ubottu for some reason in #u
[09:09] <Tm_T> hm?
[09:10] <genii> Tm_T: Ah, just some users telling him to shutup, doing stuff like !get pos !get laid     etc etc
[09:12] <Tm_T> ...
[09:42] <ikonia> panarchy is now becoming an issue in all ubuntu channels
[09:42] <ikonia> his inability to parctipate or understand requests is getting very old
[09:43] <ikonia> can someone please remove him from #offtopic - he's been warned 10 times about spamming channels with the same questions and he's just done #kubuntu #xubuntu and #offtopic
[09:43] <ikonia> he's had enough warnings
[09:47]  * Panarchy says Hi
[09:47] <Panarchy> Is this where I go to report content problems with the ubottu bot?
[09:47] <elky> no
[09:47] <elky> you do that on launchpad
[09:48] <jussi01> !bug
[09:48]  * genii slides jussi01 a strong coffee
[09:48]  * jussi01 gulps it down
[09:48] <ikonia> Panarchy: while you are here - is there something I'm not making clear to you about spamming multiple channels ?
[09:49] <ikonia> Panarchy: I have asked you 10 times to not spam the same queston in multiple channels, yet you've just done #kubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu ?
[09:49] <ikonia> I've asked you - 10 - 15 times at least to stop
[09:49] <ikonia> Panarchy: this is the sort of behaviour that will stop you getting your ban lifted and gain you futher bans
[09:49] <ikonia> Panarchy: is there some part of asking you to  stop doing it I'm not making clear?
[09:49] <elky> Panarchy, you were warned that further misbehaviour would mean banning from #ubuntu-offtopic. can you give me any good reason why i shouldn't?
[09:52] <ikonia> Panarchy: you need to respond to this question as it's clear something is going wrong  ?
[09:55] <ikonia> this is going no where - again
[10:01] <Myrtti> ladidida
[10:01] <ikonia> same old thing
[10:01] <ikonia> Panarchy: Please respond
[10:02] <Myrtti> idle for 15mins...
[10:02] <ikonia> this is standard issue
[10:02] <ikonia> because he's being told to do something
[10:02] <ikonia> please also remove from #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:03] <ikonia> this behaviour patern is getting very old with him
[10:03] <jussi01> he is silent. no reason to remove.
[10:03] <ikonia> jussi01: he's been asked 10 - 15 times at least to stop spamming multiple channels with the same question
[10:03] <jussi01> ikonia: has he spammed -ot?
[10:03] <ikonia> he did #kubuntu #xubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic with the same question at the same time
[10:03] <ikonia> with the same question yes
[10:04] <ikonia> he's been asked MANY times to stop doing this
[10:04] <jussi01> I am not going to remove him when I didnt see it. if we are removing people there needs to a timely correlation with what they have done wrong.
[10:04] <ikonia> I'm disagreeing on this
[10:04] <ikonia> if someone is asked to stop doing something and persistantly keep doing it - it needs to be stopped
[10:05] <ikonia> just because no-one was around at the time to catch him
[10:05] <jussi01> ikonia: if he has done it before, hell do it again. well get him next time.
[10:05] <ikonia> look at his ban list
[10:05] <ikonia> allowing him to continue is just justifying his behaviour
[10:05] <ikonia> I've just spoke to him about it in this channel - again and he just ignores it
[10:06] <ikonia> ignores it
[10:06] <jussi01> Well Miia has just gone and forwarded him here anyway.
[10:06] <ikonia> so I notice,
[10:06] <ikonia> thank you
[10:07] <Myrtti> huh?
[10:07] <Myrtti> I can take it off if you want to argue more
[10:08] <ikonia> no no, I'm happy, not agruing, I'll go with what's decided, I'm just making my point clear
[10:08] <ikonia> if you want to remove it - thats your call, I' won't argue it, I just want to be clear why I'm saying enough
[10:08] <ikonia> "enough" I mean
[10:09] <elky> take the forward off. he'll treat it as a game
[10:10] <Myrtti> I DESPERATELY want Kraft's Mac and Cheese.
[10:10] <Myrtti> like, NOW,.
[10:10]  * elky offers Myrtti some mustardy cheesy potato and sweet potato instead
[10:18] <Myrtti> huh?!?! http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/53497458
[10:18] <Myrtti> NOOOOO
[10:18] <Myrtti> LOL
[10:18] <Myrtti> *ROFL*
[10:19] <Myrtti> HAHAHAHAHA HHHHAAAA
[10:20] <elky> the irony, it hurts
[10:25] <jussi01> hahahahahaha
[10:26] <elky> so, a paperless office?
[10:26] <Myrtti> *snork*
[10:32]  * Myrtti goes to make breakfast
[10:42] <Myrtti> he seems to be out there like a snow man
[10:42]  * Panarchy says Hi
[10:42] <ikonia> hello again
[10:43] <Panarchy> I was very preoccupied with something I was doing. Came back online and found that I was banned. Seems that ikonia banned me.
[10:43] <Panarchy> Reason?
[10:43] <ikonia> thank you for rejoining - I'd rather discuss it here than in a pm
[10:43] <ikonia> Panarchy: did you not cross-post the same question in #ubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu and #kubuntu ?
[10:44] <Panarchy> Not sure
[10:44] <ikonia> really.....
[10:44] <Panarchy> Have been 'offline' for a long time now
[10:44] <ikonia> no you've not
[10:44] <Panarchy> Came back, and found that I was banned from #kubuntu
[10:44] <ikonia> this was about an hour or two ago
[10:44] <Panarchy> well away
[10:44] <ikonia> it was 35 minutes after you did it
[10:44] <elky> it was less than an hour ago
[10:44] <Panarchy> Forgot to use the /away command
[10:44] <Panarchy> You are no longer marked as being awa
[10:44] <ikonia> the /away command is not important to the reason
[10:45] <Panarchy> !think
[10:45] <Panarchy> lol
[10:45] <ikonia> Panarchy: how many times have I asked you to a.) read/understand the topic b.) not cross-post the same question in multiple channels
[10:45] <ikonia> how many times this week alone ?
[10:46] <Panarchy> Well my cross-posting involved all Ubuntu based distribution
[10:46] <elky> Panarchy, you really are not in a position to debate anything here. You have proven that you cannot follow rules, and that you are perpetual waste of our time-based resources.
[10:46] <Panarchy> ikonia asked me to debate it here
[10:47] <ikonia> I didn't ask you to debate anything
[10:47] <elky> no, he didnt ask you to debate
[10:47] <ikonia> I asked you to come here to discuss the ban rather than in a pm
 if you wish to discuss it join #ubuntu-ops
[10:47] <ikonia> Panarchy: your cross-posting did not invovle all ubuntu based distributions
[10:47] <elky> he asked you to listen and respond, not argue a case.
[10:47] <Panarchy> ikonia: how didn't it?
[10:48] <ikonia> Panarchy: you asked if there was any CD's you'd missed off the shipit site - thats not even an ubuntu distribution topic - thats just an offtopic question
[10:48] <ikonia> Panarchy: how would #xubuntu know about any other shipt distros other than #xubuntu, same for #kubuntu etc etc
[10:49] <ikonia> Panarchy: you asked in offtopic, that was a solid place to ask
[10:49] <ikonia> #ubuntu-offtopic - sorry to be clear
[10:50] <Panarchy> ah
[10:50] <elky> except your continued misbehaviour in there before then is the reason you're banned from there.
[10:50] <Panarchy> Okay, well now I know
[10:50] <ikonia> Panarchy: great, so I suggest we move on and go about our IRC day
[10:50] <ikonia> Panarchy: thanks for dropping in to dicuss this, much better than in pm
[10:50] <Panarchy> Better be off to bed now, early start tomorrow. Perhaps we can talk this over another day?
[10:50] <ikonia> not much more to discuss, you understand the reason, so that's great
[10:51]  * Panarchy leaves to have Linux dreams
[10:51] <elky> at least he didn't spam this time
[10:51] <ikonia> I've asked him times to stop doing that too
[10:51] <ikonia> he doesn't listen
[10:52] <elky> do the ops of the other chan he 'graces' feel the same way about him as we do?
[10:53] <ikonia> I know hentaiXP in ##windows is fed up of him
[10:53] <elky> christel, can we have a few days respite? :P
[10:53] <ikonia> talk to hentaix, I know I'm fed up of him
[10:54] <elky> his main objective seems to be to annoy as many people as he can in the shortest space of time
[10:55] <elky> he sucks at efficiency though
[10:55] <bazhang> mission accomplished
[10:55] <ikonia> I think he's just blind to what's going on - he's too busy trying to be "l33t" eg: threaten to take channels down, build linux distros, etc etc
[10:55] <elky> bazhang, nah. i could annoy way more way quicker
[10:55] <elky> has he threatened other channels?
[10:55] <Myrtti> elky: canIhavealollipop?
[10:55] <Myrtti> elky: plzok?
[10:56] <Myrtti> elky: lollipopok?
[10:56] <elky> Myrtti, you're too cute to be annoying
[10:56] <Myrtti> IWANTALOLLIPOP
[10:56] <bazhang> haha
[10:56] <Myrtti> NAO
[10:56]  * elky gives Myrtti a lollipop
[10:56] <Myrtti> lollipooooopssssss
[10:56] <Myrtti> lollipop lollipoplollipop
[10:56] <Myrtti> lollipop lollipoplollipop
[10:56] <Myrtti> lollipop lollipoplollipop
[10:56] <Myrtti> lollipop lollipoplollipop
[10:56] <elky> hehehe
[10:57]  * ikonia is now annoyed - well done
[10:57] <Myrtti> see
[10:57] <Myrtti> all it needs is a professional touch
[11:00] <Myrtti> isn't firestarter unsupported these days?
[11:01] <elky> probably
[11:01] <ikonia> no idea
[11:01] <Myrtti> !firestarter
[11:01] <Myrtti> !info firestarter
[11:01] <Myrtti> :-o
[11:02] <elky> didnt iptables get replaced with UFW
[11:02] <ikonia> iptables is the bak of ufw isn't it
[11:02] <ikonia> back
[11:03] <elky> i thought it was a new thing altogether, but then, i'm out of touch with the tech decision side of things
[11:03] <ikonia> I just use iptables,
[11:03] <ikonia> I'm pretty sure ufw is jus a front end
[11:03] <ikonia> it is
[11:04] <ikonia> man page says so :)
[11:04] <elky> cool
[11:05] <elky> i cant imagine that replacing iptables would go down all that well
[11:06] <ikonia> iptables is mega
[11:06] <elky> well, it is the brainchild of Rusty
[11:07] <elky> you should hide in mjg's suitcase in late jan and come over for an LCA
[11:08] <elky> you get to rub shoulders with awesome peeps like Rusty and Tridge
[11:10] <elky> anyway, bathtime
[11:11] <ikonia> would be interesting
[11:11] <ikonia> I'd enjoy a Aus trip
[11:12] <elky> start saving :)
[11:12] <elky> although, next LCA is ironically in NZ
[11:12] <ikonia> NZ is on my list of places to see/visit
[11:19]  * Myrtti is feeling too friendly today
[11:19] <ikonia> Myrtti: I feel time wasting is on the cards a lot today
[11:20] <Myrtti> yup
[11:20] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:21] <Myrtti> atleast sophie is now getting some help, she's been ignored in #ubuntu a lot...
[11:21] <Myrtti> she/he
[11:22] <ikonia> I didn't see her in #ubuntu to be honest
[11:22] <ikonia> Myrtti: got a meeting can you finish off helping her install ?
[11:25] <Myrtti> sure I can try
[11:25]  * Myrtti yawns
[11:26]  * Myrtti blinks
[11:26] <topyli> i want to go to new zealand, just to be able to say i've been to the other side of the world
[11:26] <topyli> can't go much further from here :)
[11:33] <ikonia> topyli: yes, I'd like to see a totally different side of the planet
[11:34] <topyli> i bet everything is like in Opposite Land. who knows, they might even drive on the left side of the road or something crazy like that
[11:34] <Myrtti> or eat marmite
[11:34] <Myrtti> er
[11:34] <Myrtti> vegemite
[11:35]  * ikonia returns
[11:35] <popey> \o/ marmite hilight
[11:35] <topyli> hehehe
[11:35] <ikonia> popey: have you really got that on hilight ?
[11:35] <Myrtti> popey: we love you
[11:35] <Myrtti> ikonia: he has
[11:35] <ikonia> you weirdo
[11:35] <popey> :)
[11:35] <popey> yes
[11:35] <ikonia> marmite is wrong
[11:35] <popey> 11:35:44    9 fosdem
[11:35] <popey> 11:35:44   10 marmite
[11:35] <popey> 11:35:44   11 kwak
[11:35] <popey> :)
[11:36] <topyli> popey monitors all of freenode, to ensure nobody disses marmite
[11:36] <popey> exactly!
[11:36] <ikonia> popey: you're wrong....urghhh
[11:37] <Myrtti> I wish my hilights would work
[11:37] <ikonia> Myrtti:  in irssi ?
[11:37] <Myrtti> yeah
[11:37] <ikonia> Myrtti: what's up with them, how did you set them ?
[11:37] <jussi01> they dont eat vegemite in new zealand...
[11:37] <Myrtti> they're all wonky
[11:38] <ikonia> jussi01: isn't vegemite - marmite (same product) ?
[11:38] <jussi01> no
[11:38] <ikonia> ooh, what's different ?
[11:38] <popey> no
[11:38] <jussi01> definately not
[11:38] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117221/
[11:38] <popey> vegemite is smoother
[11:38] <popey> less harsh tasting
[11:38] <popey> vegemite is marmite for girls basically :)
[11:38] <jussi01> they taste different, hard to explain
[11:38] <ikonia> popey:  less chunky disgusitng taste then
[11:38] <popey> chunky!?
[11:38] <jussi01> popey: nono... careful
[11:39] <Myrtti> oh yeah, I should go and check if there's vegemite at W&S
[11:39] <ikonia> jussi01: also I need some more of your unusual finnish drink
[11:39] <jussi01> ikonia: you liked it last time?
[11:39] <ikonia> yes, loved it
[11:39] <ikonia> both of them
[11:39] <Myrtti> jussi01: are you teaching them to become Finnish alcoholics?
[11:39] <Myrtti> jussi01: tut-tut
[11:39] <jussi01> the cloudberry stuff or the salmiakki?
[11:39] <jussi01> Myrtti: bwahhahahah
[11:39] <ikonia> the cloudberry desert stuff was nice, almost done with that, the salmiakki was finished last night
[11:40] <jussi01> Myrtti: just upping the finnish GNP
[11:40] <jussi01> :D
[11:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: oh, right
[11:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: carry on then
[11:40] <Myrtti> I'm upping the UK one
[11:40] <Myrtti> so I guess this evens things out
[11:41]  * Myrtti whistles innocently
[11:41] <topyli> aren't we international now
[11:41] <ikonia> topyli: what non-uk produce can you offer me ?
[11:42] <Myrtti> reindeer meat.
[11:42] <ikonia> no thanks
[11:42] <Myrtti> not even as jerky?
[11:42] <jussi01> ikonia: I can source lots of things from Australia, jsut tell me what you want...
[11:42] <Myrtti> how shocking
[11:42] <elky> marmite is so much better than vegemite
[11:42] <ikonia> jussi01: non-uk varity
[11:42] <topyli> sun-dried reindeer jerky from lapland
[11:42] <jussi01> ikonia: the reindeer meat is _sooo_ good
[11:42] <ikonia> I had an assuie ginger beer drink the other day that was fantastic
[11:42] <Myrtti> mmmmmm
[11:42] <ikonia> jussi01: can't do it
[11:42] <Myrtti> omnomnomnom
[11:42] <ikonia> jussi01: break my heart
[11:42] <elky> ikonia, bundaberg?
[11:42] <jussi01> ikonia: the bunderberg stuff?
[11:42] <jussi01> elky: :D
[11:42] <ikonia> elky: brown tin ?
[11:43] <elky> it comes in glass bottles over here
[11:43] <ikonia> I think it was bunderberg, but can't be sure
[11:43] <elky> dunno if it comes in cans at all
[11:43] <ikonia> oh, maybe not then
[11:43] <jussi01> ikonia: http://www.bundaberg-brew.com.au/
[11:43] <elky> it might for export
[11:44] <ikonia> the guy who gave it me got it from an Aussie shop in London
[11:45] <ikonia> yes it's that one
[11:45] <ikonia> it had a kangaroo on the label
[11:48]  * jussi01 whacks ikonia with a pm bat
[11:49] <elky> bundaberg is good for three things. sugar, ginger beer, and rum.
[11:49] <ikonia> the gingerbeer was noce
[11:49] <elky> yeah, it is
[11:50]  * jussi01 thwacks ikonia again :D
[11:50] <jussi01> +1 on bunderberg ginger beer :)
[11:51] <elky> the rum is good too, in small quantities
[11:51] <elky> i find it too sweet myself
[11:51] <elky> then, i'm a whisky girl, not a rum girl
[11:51] <ikonia> didn't know they did run until 30 seconds ago
[11:51] <ikonia> rum = mojito
[11:52] <elky> ikonia, it's a dark rum
[11:52] <Myrtti> mmmmm mojitos
[11:53] <elky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundaberg_Rum
[11:53] <ikonia> Myrtti: yeah get with it
[11:54] <elky> you should be able to get the rum over there... it's owned by a british mob these days
[11:55] <ikonia> elky: that means nothing
[11:55] <elky> oh, and dont get the bright idea to mix the two bundaberg beverages. it's quite a sickly blend
[11:55] <ikonia> I'll keep that in mind
[11:55] <jussi01> rofl
[11:56] <elky> even with dry ginger ale it's bad. some people seem to like it though
[12:16] <ikonia> you did well with web stuff yesterday, who is my goto guy for "graphics"
[12:16] <ikonia> as in good with image manipulation/editing
[12:17]  * Myrtti ducks and covers
[12:17] <elky> depends how quick you want stuff
[12:19] <ikonia> not urgent
[12:19] <ikonia> just want help with some minor graphics stuff
[12:20] <ikonia> trying to learn / do as much myself but I've readed a block on some stuff
[12:20] <jussi01> mma could probably help, or kwwii
[12:20] <elky> drop me a mail and i'll see what time i can find over the weekend while i avoid the intarwebs going 'wah, my valentine hates me, i'll go cut myself now'
[12:20] <ikonia> ha ha poor elky - I'll send you some chocies
[12:20] <jussi01> elky: at least you have a valentine...
[12:20] <ikonia> jussi01: good to know
[12:20] <ikonia> jussi01: I'll send you some too
[12:21] <jussi01> :)
[12:21] <elky> jussi01, no, i dont.
[12:22] <ikonia> choccies all round
[12:22] <elky> but irc and esp -offtopic will turn into a haze of emos mourning how their crush doesnt even know they exist
[12:23] <Myrtti> can I be an emo too?
[12:23] <Myrtti> we decided we're postponing Valentines with one month and two days
[12:23] <jussi01> valentines day on saturday, hrmmm... might just go and sit in my house and do nothing, dont beleive in stupid comercial holidays :P
[12:23] <ikonia> Myrtti: do you want choccies too then ?
[12:24]  * ikonia begins a big on line order
[12:24] <Myrtti> ikonia: I suppose I'll be getting them :-)
[12:25] <Myrtti> I still think Cadbury's Dairy Milk is the worst excuse for milk chocolate I've seen so far
[12:25]  * jussi01 slaps Myrtti
[12:25] <Myrtti> what?
[12:25] <Myrtti> it's horrible
[12:26] <Myrtti> if I have to have milk chocolate, it's either Marabou or if that can't be found, Fazer
[12:26] <Myrtti> and yes I know that's not the reason you slapped me, jussi01
[12:27] <jussi01> ;)
[12:27] <jussi01> glad you work it out
[12:27] <elky> there is an idiot in my loco offtopic channel arguing that writing an OS in C does not make sense, and we should be porting linux to be written in Python.
[12:27] <Myrtti> hehehhehehehehehe
[12:27] <Myrtti> elky: great fun ;-)
[12:28] <jussi01> elky: I parted there cause I kept getting hilighted...
[12:28] <elky> jussi01, oh? by who?
[12:28] <elky> aside from me
[12:28] <ikonia> his fan club
[12:28] <ikonia> the "juicers" I like to call them
[12:28] <jussi01> elky: noone in particular, just swear words
[12:29] <jussi01> ikonia: !!
[12:30] <jussi01> and every kid in Australia has heard that particular swear word multiple times cince bnirth ;)
[12:30] <elky> ah. yes. the whole me not being there to bitchslap their manners into them anymore
[12:30] <jussi01> cripes my typos are bad today
[12:31] <elky> the channel is primarily there so they can talk about sport and cars etc, without flooding the logs with irrelevent crap
[12:31] <jussi01> yep
[12:31] <Myrtti> no knitting or cooking or babies? j/k
[12:32] <jussi01> and they have some serious verbal diorehea...:P
[12:32] <elky> they just abuse the relaxed nature of it. there was a decision to not lynch for swearing, and some take it too far quite easily
[12:32] <elky> jussi01, the one starting with simple?
[12:32] <jussi01> elky: and the rest of them...
[12:34] <Myrtti> ♥ Radiohead
[12:35] <elky> jussi01, he's trying to argue that C is *more* abstracted than Python
[12:36] <ikonia> elky: you've got mail
[13:08] <Myrtti> !alias
[13:09] <Myrtti> hold on, brain thinking
[13:09] <Pici> We're sorry, all of our operators are currently busy. Please continue to hold.
[13:10] <Myrtti> Pici: help me out here
[13:10] <Myrtti> !panels
[13:10] <Myrtti> !panels-#xubuntu
[13:10] <Pici> !resetpanels
[13:10] <Pici> What are we looking to do?
[13:10] <Myrtti> more aliases for that xubuntu factoid
[13:10] <Myrtti> !panel, !xfce4-panel
[13:11] <Myrtti> I've forgotten my ubottufu
[13:11] <Myrtti> though with jaunty that factoid should become obsolete
[13:12] <Myrtti> isn't it !alias xfce4-panel panels or something?
[13:12] <Myrtti> I can't think
[13:12] <Myrtti> HAELP HAELP
[13:12] <Pici> !xfce4-panel is <reply> Did you panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panels | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[13:12] <Myrtti> but...
[13:12] <Myrtti> !-panels
[13:12] <Myrtti> !-panels-#xubuntu
[13:13] <Pici> !no panels-#xubuntu is <alias> xfce4-panel
[13:13] <Pici> You can't <alias> to a channel specific factoid iirc.
[13:13] <Myrtti> oh.
[13:13] <Myrtti> ok
[13:13] <Pici> !panels is <alias> resetpanels
[13:13] <Myrtti> !panel-#xubuntu
[13:14] <Myrtti> !panel-#xubuntu is <reply> foo
[13:14] <Pici> !no panel-#xubuntu is <alias> xfce4-panel
[13:14] <Pici> ie. !panel is <alias> panels-#xubuntu   wouldnt work
[13:15] <Myrtti> right
[13:15] <ikonia> can you just overwrite alias
[13:16] <ikonia> or do you have to remove and re-alias
[13:16] <Pici> You have to use '!no foo is bar'
[13:18] <ikonia> Pici: nice catch
[13:19] <Myrtti> !xfce4-panel-#xubuntu ~= s/xfce4-panels/xfce4-panel/
[13:19] <Myrtti> !xfce4-panel ~= s/xfce4-panels/xfce4-panel/
[13:20] <Pici> nalioth: Do you run two floodbots? I can never remember... if so, could you start a second one?
[13:22] <Myrtti> jussi01: Duncan says it's ok if I give you my Marmite :-)
[13:23] <jussi01> super :D
[13:24] <ikonia> can you not get it in finland
[13:25] <ikonia> ?
[13:25] <jussi01> no
[13:25] <ikonia> no way
[13:25] <ikonia> I'll ship you some over then
[13:25] <jussi01> :D
[13:25] <jussi01> marmite coming all ways :D
[13:26] <Myrtti> I'm going to check if I can find Vegemite anyway
[13:26] <Myrtti> I suspect it would be nice if there'd be Marmite in my cupboard for him :-)
[13:27] <ikonia> I'll send a UK food parcel
[13:27] <ikonia> I don't think fish 'n chips would keep though
[13:28] <jussi01> sadly
[13:28] <Myrtti> yngh, pork pies :-/
[13:28] <Myrtti> but hey, he's got his own deep frier now
[13:29] <jussi01> ikonia: pity you cant get it here for valentines day :D
[13:29] <ikonia> you want a fish supper for valentines day......wrong wrong wrong
[13:29] <ikonia> I'll do a little UK food parcel
[13:29] <ikonia> I'll have a ponder
[13:29] <Myrtti> jussi01: I can ask Duncan to check for Valentine's Marmite
[13:29] <Myrtti> he found it in September, had champagne or something in it
[13:30] <jussi01> rofl
[13:30]  * jussi01 is touched that everyone is thinking of him :)
[13:30] <Pici> I'm not thinking of you
[13:31] <Myrtti> jussi01: with a PINK jar
[13:32] <Myrtti> or atleast the lid was pink, I'm told
[13:32] <Myrtti> and the jar heartshaped or something
[13:51] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: how can we help ?
[13:51] <cowkillgoat_> yes, i just wish to know how much longer i am banned from ubuntu offtopic
[13:51] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: why where you banned ?
[13:51] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: and how banned you
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> dont remember
[13:52] <Myrtti> @bansearch cowkillgoat
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> the ban was a long time ago
[13:52] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: 4 days
[13:52] <ikonia> well 3
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> folks there think i'm a troll
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> 3 days
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> good
[13:52] <cowkillgoat_> thanks
[13:53] <ikonia> not really a long time ago
[13:53] <cowkillgoat_> a few days is a long time ago in irclife
[13:53] <Myrtti> hah :-D
[13:54] <ikonia> how many bans are there.......
[13:54] <ikonia> there are tons
[13:54] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: oooh your the guy with many nick names
[13:54] <cowkillgoat_> i just used a different name each time
[13:55] <ikonia> yeah, so I see
[13:55] <cowkillgoat_> but i wasent really trolling, just asking the same question many times and defending mac os x sometiems
[13:55] <ikonia> you keep getting banned a lot
[13:55] <cowkillgoat_> *sometimes
[13:57] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: you had the nick "nickchangertroll"
[13:57] <ikonia> it's clear you know what you are doing and what your intention is
[13:57] <cowkillgoat_> yes, i call myself a troll quite often
[13:58] <cowkillgoat_> are you trying to say i came on ubuntu off topic with the intention to troll
[13:58] <ikonia> oh yes, and I warned you the day before you where banned this time
[13:58] <ikonia> so lets see
[13:58] <ikonia> 1.) I warn you
[13:58] <ikonia> 2.) the next day you come in with the nick "nickchangertroll"
[13:58] <ikonia> 3.) you get banned
[13:58] <ikonia> 4.) you come straight back in with a new nick
[13:59] <ikonia> doesn't look a good state of events does it
[13:59] <cowkillgoat_> i shall not have troll in my nick ever again, is that better?
[13:59] <cowkillgoat_> the word "troll"
[13:59] <ikonia>  no
[13:59] <ikonia> look at the sequence of events I just listed - does that look good to you
[14:00] <cowkillgoat_> yes,
[14:00] <ikonia> 5.) you get banned again for ban dodging
[14:00] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: you think that looks like acceptable behaviour ?
[14:01] <cowkillgoat_> "ban dodging" i dont even know how to do that(thats a lie) but i did not ban dodge on ubuntu offtopic or any other channel on freenode
[14:01] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: you got banned from #ubuntu-offtopic and straight away re-joined with a new nick name and ip
[14:01] <ikonia> and looking at the ban history - not for the first time
[14:02] <ikonia> that is called "ban dodging"
[14:02] <cowkillgoat_> i might have rejoined with a new nick but, new ip = false
[14:03] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:03] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:03] <ikonia> not false
[14:03] <ikonia> don't lie
[14:03] <cowkillgoat_> i swear i did not change my ip
[14:03] <ikonia> I think this conversation is going no-where as it's clear you know what your doing and then you lie about it
[14:03] <ikonia> lets just move along and you can either come back when you feel you know how to behave and not mess around with people - or find somewhere else to be a pain/troll/whatever you want to call yourself ?
[14:04] <cowkillgoat_> i am not lieing, maybe something to do with my isp, but i did not change my ip
[14:04] <ikonia> wow - that is a really good co-incidence his ip changed straight after his ban
[14:04] <ikonia> how lucky is that, I need to get on that ISP
[14:05] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: please leave the channel if you have nothing else to add
[14:05] <cowkillgoat_> yes i will but could you please repeat your last sentence before i left
[14:05] <ikonia> wow - that is a really good co-incidence his ip changed straight after his ban
[14:06] <ikonia> how lucky is that, I need to get on that ISP
[14:06] <ikonia> how is that
[14:06] <ikonia> or "lets just move along and you can either come back when you feel you know how to behave and not mess around with people - or find somewhere else to be a pain/troll/whatever you want to call yourself ?
[14:06] <ikonia> is that the one you where looking for ?
[14:07] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: if thats it - could you please leave the channel now
[14:07] <cowkillgoat_> ikonia: wow - that is a really good co-incidence his ip changed straight after his ban; i do not know how that happened :(
[14:07] <ikonia> cowkillgoat_: you still managed to change your nickname - which you did know how that happened, so same principal
[15:08]  * gnomefreak wonders how many people think yofel__'s quit message is true
[15:09] <jdong> care to repeat it for those who are curious? :)
[15:09] <Myrtti> the irc quit message viru
[15:09] <Myrtti> s
[15:09] <jdong> ah
[15:11] <gnomefreak> yep that one
[15:15] <Flannel> We're still down a floodbot
[15:30] <ikonia> Pici: +o
[15:31] <Pici> ikonia: thank ye
[15:31] <ikonia> easy to miss
[15:34] <ikonia> Myrtti: going mad ?
[15:34] <Myrtti> no
[15:35] <ikonia> just adding a forward
[15:35] <ikonia> didn't see that
[15:35] <ikonia> maybe I'm going mad
[15:40] <jussi01> ikonia: what do you mean? you are mad :D
[15:40] <ikonia> oh
[15:40] <ikonia> then all is normal
[15:41] <Myrtti> jussi01: what do you mean? WE ARE MAD :D
[15:44] <nalioth> Pici: i believe we're having network difficulties with the floodbots
[15:44] <nalioth> Pici: if i start another, we'll possibly have 4 later
[15:49] <Pici> nalioth: We can do without for now then.
[15:50] <Myrtti> I HATE LAG
[15:50]  * jussi01 is now on jaunty! :D
[16:00] <nalioth> Pici: backup started, lmk if 4 show up
[16:01] <Pici> nalioth: righto
[16:33] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell annie about bot
[16:34] <Pici> ubottu: tell myrtti about bot
[16:34] <Pici> hm. It always tells me' pici wants you to know about bot'
[16:34] <Myrtti> gee, thanks Pici
[16:34] <Pici> ubottu: tell me about bot
[16:35] <Pici> Myrtti: nevermind me.
[16:35]  * genii hands out large coffee mugs, then fills them
[16:52]  * nickrud bought a broken espresso machine, and wanted to give a cup all round ;(
[17:00] <jdong> aww
[18:14] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell likemindead about away
[18:28] <Myrtti> anyone awake at -ot?
[18:29] <Myrtti> some backup would be appreciated
[18:30] <nickrud> watching, for what it's worth
[18:36] <Myrtti> thank you
[18:37] <nickrud> if there was ever a leading question, that was it :)
[18:37] <Myrtti> exactly
[18:53]  * Mez hugs Myrtti
[18:56] <Myrtti> !
[18:57] <Mez> what?
[18:57] <Mez> you seemed like you needed one
[18:57] <Myrtti> oh, didn't realize :-D
[19:03] <Mez> sorry if I caused offence
[19:03] <Mez> :P
[19:04] <Myrtti> :-9
[19:08] <Myrtti> graah. Where does all this lag come from?
[19:24] <Mez> its a government conspiracy
[20:38]  * Myrtti yawns
[20:40] <Seeker`> quite
[22:43] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[23:04]  * mneptok beeps Myrtti's nose
[23:12] <Myrtti> eeeep
[23:45] <mneptok> terve.