[00:19] <NCommander> lamont, I have a devirtualized PPA :-)
[00:20] <NCommander> lamont, er, I thought we were testing the hppa kernel
[01:22] <lamont> right
[01:24] <lamont> NCommander: nothing in http://ppa.launchpad.net/mcasadevall/ppa/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-hppa/Packages.gz though...
[01:24] <lamont> which all packages do I need?
[01:25] <lamont> sigh.  I'll just fetch bits over the wire at the house - it won't kill me
[01:25] <lamont> afk
[01:50] <NCommander> lamont, oh, its only in Jaunty
[01:50] <NCommander> lamont, kernels really don't matter that much w.r.t. the series they are in I find
[02:57] <lamont> E: Package wireless-crda has no installation candidate
[04:19] <NCommander> lamont`, rebooted yet?
[04:21] <lamont> wee
[04:21] <lamont> and back
[04:30] <lamont> NCommander: ??
[04:32]  * lamont sleeps
[12:05] <NCommander> andrewks, ping?
[17:30] <andrewks> NCommander: pong
[17:34] <NCommander> andrewks, hola
[17:34] <NCommander> andrewks, I still seek the spaceheater, and I now have a passport
[17:37] <andrewks> your passport to warmth
[17:37] <andrewks> very good
[17:37] <andrewks> pick a day
[17:43] <NCommander> andrewks, when's good for you?
[17:43] <NCommander> (tomorrow or Saturday probably will be best; did we figure out how to declare this thing across the boarder yet?)
[17:44] <andrewks> Saturday is good.  What you want it declared as is up to you.  I have no idea what the border will want
[17:47] <NCommander> andrewks, I believe you can declare it as depreciated (no value), but jbailey and lamont know better than I do. What's a better way to get in contact w/ you than IRC since your not on often.
[17:50] <lamont> compare to ebay for fair-market
[17:50] <lamont> would be a reasonable version
[17:50] <lamont> otherwise, see jbailey
[18:14] <NCommander> lamont, obviously you haven't seen the value on ebay :-/
[18:14] <NCommander> I don't think these things hold as much value as ebay says they do
[18:14] <lamont> NCommander: sold units
[18:14] <lamont> not asking
[18:14] <NCommander> Oh
[18:15] <lamont> yeah...   AS IS.
[18:15] <lamont> doesn't make it worth that, though
[18:16] <lamont> throw in another $250,000 and I'll leave everything there. :-)
[18:16] <NCommander> lamont, sweet, HPPA and alpha hardware!
[18:19] <NCommander> lamont, so did that kernel work after you rebooted?
[18:20] <lamont> did you build me one that installs?
[18:22] <NCommander> lamont, I thought you installed one anyway, you PMed me to say you restart
[18:23] <lamont> NCommander: no, I had to restart because of other kernel updates
[18:23] <NCommander> oh
[18:23] <lamont> manually fetching the debs exceeded my pain threshold
[18:23] <lamont> since apt wouldn't do it for me
[18:23] <NCommander> lamont, its one deb!
[18:23]  * NCommander grumbles
[18:23] <lamont> the modules aren't, and I expect there were others that I actually need, no?
[18:24] <NCommander> lamont, once I figure out how to unbreak karmic's build world, I'll do that htis weekend
[18:24] <NCommander> lamont, ok, two :-P
[18:24] <NCommander> lamont, fair enough, you win. I'll backport to hardy
[18:24] <lamont> thanks - sorry for the confusion
[18:30] <NCommander> lamont, we should discuss the HPPA port at UDS, decide if its time to retire it or not
[18:30] <lamont> definitely
[18:30] <lamont> you wanna drive the discussion?  my time between now and allhands is kinda slammed
[18:31] <NCommander> lamont, I think we're just going to have a session at UDS, no?
[18:31] <NCommander> lamont, do something ad-hoc, we just need to find infinity and tape him to the chair
[18:31] <lamont> yeah - maybe one session.. .maybe the two of us in the hall
[18:32] <lamont> s/two/three/
[18:40] <jbailey> lamont, Hah.


[06:37] <lvsmmusic> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-61-Logitech-Hi-Res-Scroll
[06:37] <lvsmmusic> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=908d325e1665b2781085580070554cbbe5fc3c89
[06:38] <lvsmmusic> Can you people backport that patch to 5.x?
[06:38] <lvsmmusic> also will 22.04.x have v6 some time in the future?
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> lvsmmusic: kernel 5.19 is on ubuntu 22.10 right now and will come to 22.04.2 in february
[06:57] <lvsmmusic> lotuspsychje: oh ok
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> idle around here, for your other questions, ttyl
[06:58] <lvsmmusic> Its just that I am using a logitech mouse with that high precision scrolling thing, so I have to use the latest libinput and its not working properly. Sometimes all input freezes with chromium


[10:50]  * playya  needs ogra's openmoko debugging board
[13:29] <FreeSoul> hi guys, i was looking for a way to ask ubuntu mobile guys to enable CONFIG_LIBERTAS_SDIO, CONFIG_LIBERTAS and CONFIG_MMC to enable Marvell 8686 SDIO wifi card that is on Benq mid s6. It's in kernel since 2.6.24. Thanks everybody
[13:34] <FreeSoul> anyone?
[13:57] <persia> FreeSoul, I filed a bug about that in September.  I'll see if I can find the number.
[13:58] <FreeSoul> oh, thanks persia! can i also have the url? i'd like to make a couple of software requests
[13:58] <persia> FreeSoul, It's bug #274704 : if you know what needs changing to make it work, I'd be happy, as the lack of connectivity on that device is a persistent annoyance.
[13:58] <FreeSoul> that would probably be usefull for anybody
[13:58] <persia> Oh, software requests?  Do you mean new packages?
[13:58] <FreeSoul> yohoo :) thanks!
[13:58] <FreeSoul> uhmmm not exactly
[13:59] <persia> OK.  What do you mean?
[13:59] <FreeSoul> persia: i have a mid and i've tested ubuntu mobile too and there're a couple of things that everybody seems to have forget about:
[13:59] <persia> I'm not sure "forgot" is the right word, but yeah, I've noticed some things too.
[13:59] <persia> So, what are you thinking?
[14:00] <FreeSoul> we have a touchscreen and we can't take a note handwriting. I don't mean handwriting recongnition, just drawing, taking notes and save them in a graphic format like png, pdf or whatever
[14:00] <persia> Doesn't xournal do that?
[14:00] <FreeSoul> and second: no pin or password at boot time.
[14:00] <persia> Oh, the no password at boot time is a feature.
[14:00] <persia> There's actually some work this cycle to make it possible to have a password for network access, but it still won't ask password at boot.
[14:01] <FreeSoul> yes i mean, if you take my mid you can access personal data and files so a simple authentication would be great, in X, so that we have sw keyboard working and all the rest
[14:01] <persia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mid-display-manager is the spec about enabling support for having usernames and passwords (amoung other features).
[14:01] <FreeSoul> yeah as password at book i mean like the login password to start and X session
[14:02] <persia> There's no real chance of that being turned on.  There's too many people who want it to work without a password.
[14:02] <FreeSoul> uhmmm quite strange :)
[14:02] <persia> You could do an encrypted loopback filesystem for protected data.
[14:02] <FreeSoul> anyway at least password after recovery from standby :)
[14:03] <persia> For instance, I used to keep some passwords on my Zaurus, but I had the file containing the passwords encrypted, so I needed to enter a password to see them.
[14:03] <persia> There's really no chance of that.
[14:03] <FreeSoul> yes but consider concat list, email applications, and so on...
[14:03] <persia> I know.
[14:03] <FreeSoul> anyway ok this is not as necessary as eanbling the wifi driver :)
[14:04] <persia> You could bring it up at the weekly meeting (12:00 UTC on Thursdays), but from previous discussions, I think it's not going to happen.
[14:04] <persia> Alternately, if you want to get involved in the mid-display-manager effort, you might be able to submit some code that could provide an option to enable passwords post-install for those who wanted them.
[14:05] <persia> No, having the hardware enabled is a first-class problem.  We all end up customising our installs anyway, so the selection of software is only a second-class problem.
[14:06] <FreeSoul> sure
[14:08] <FreeSoul> anyway running the live usb image the touchscreen won't work now... it worked until 17 november release.... later i could not test it and now i can't use the touchscreen mouse
[14:08] <persia> What hardware do you have?
[14:08] <FreeSoul> BenQ MID S6
[14:09] <FreeSoul> http://benq.it/products/MobileInternetDevice/?product=1048&page=specifications
[14:09] <FreeSoul> it's in italian but I'm sure you can understand specs :P
[14:10] <FreeSoul> http://www.benq.com/products/MobileInternetDevice/?product=1402&page=specifications the english page :)
[14:11] <persia> That looks suspiciously like the Aigo
[14:11] <persia> I'm going to guess it uses the same touchscreen, for which the drivers are annoyingly closed.
[14:12] <persia> There's been several requests to the driver providers to port to the new X stack, but it's yet to happen to my knowledge.
[14:13] <FreeSoul> persia, i've already come here saying that the benq mid s6 comes with a DVD with full sources of everything that is on the device. kernel, drivers, patches, everything
[14:13] <FreeSoul> so drivers, at least for the benq mid s6, are open
[14:14] <persia> I remember, and I think you and I and Celtiore were looking into what could be used.
[14:14] <FreeSoul> yep :)
[14:14] <Celtiore> hi
[14:14] <FreeSoul> hi there Celtiore
[14:14] <persia> My memory is that there was a binary blob for the touchscreen drivers that didn't work with newer X, and that we didn't have source.
[14:14] <Celtiore> who HL me :p
[14:14] <persia> Celtiore, I did, mentioning that you were part of the conversation that FreeSoul, you, and I had several months ago about the touchscreen drivers.
[14:14] <FreeSoul> guys i've dvd here with me, just tell me where i can put it and i upload it
[14:15] <FreeSoul> of course it has also drivers for g-sensor and for scrollpad
[14:15] <persia> FreeSoul, Does the source you have on the DVD include touchscreen drivers?  Do these drivers compile against the current X in Ubuntu?  Do you have a license to redistribute this source?
[14:16] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, you have already upload it
[14:16] <Celtiore> the dvd don't have the source code concerning touchscreen
[14:16] <FreeSoul> uhmmmm.... you sure??
[14:17] <Celtiore> yes
[14:17] <FreeSoul> uhmm
[14:17] <persia> That matches my memory of the previous investigation as well.
[14:17] <Celtiore> if you want, you can try the last ubuntu 8.04.1 with touchscrenn working
[14:17] <FreeSoul> well, the touchscreen was working a few months ago :)
[14:17] <Celtiore> yes with ubuntu 7.10
[14:18] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: yep i was hoping the driver in 9.04 :)
[14:18] <FreeSoul> with 8.04 it was ok
[14:18] <Celtiore> http://www.midwiki.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=53&func=view&catid=4&id=311&limit=6&limitstart=12#327
[14:19] <Celtiore> here you can find the last official closed driver : http://www.ideacom.com.tw/DR_UTS6680.htm
[14:19] <Celtiore> but not yet 8.10 or 9.04
[14:20] <Celtiore> i send an email, but no answer :(
[14:20] <FreeSoul> uhmmm ok
[14:20] <FreeSoul> it's incredible hardware makes still don't understand the importance of drivers
[14:21] <FreeSoul> ok guys I'll wait some days more since i'm busy at the unviersity now.... I hope someone will solve driver problems for both touchscreen and wifi
[14:22] <FreeSoul> i have to go now :'(
[14:22] <persia> FreeSoul, For WiFi, please comment on that bug with your suggested solution.
[14:22] <Celtiore> all are solved ?!
[14:22] <persia> For touchscreen, it's more a matter of working with the manufacturer to get drivers, unfortunately, or reverse engineering them.
[14:22] <persia> Celtiore, No :(
[14:23] <Celtiore> we can use it with ubuntu 8.04
[14:26] <FreeSoul> persia: done
[14:26] <FreeSoul> now i go guys, i'm sorry, i gotta study
[14:26] <FreeSoul> c ya soon
[14:27] <persia> Celtiore, Yes, but that's getting rather out of date, and large chunks of MID didn't get properly sorted until 8.10.
[14:27] <Celtiore> sure
[14:55] <Celtiore> i'm sorry but last day i ask which deb contain 'gtk-update-icon-cache', and ogra give me the right package, but i don't remember it :(
[14:55] <Celtiore> who can help me
[14:56] <persia> There's two easy ways to check.  If you have that, try `dpkg -S $(which gtk-update-icon-cache)`
[14:56] <Celtiore> thanks you
[14:57] <persia> If you don't, try installing apt-file and running `apt-file search gtk-update-icon-cache`
[15:03] <ogra> or dpkg -S `which gtk-update-icon-cache`
[15:03] <ogra> though iirc there is also a debhelper tool for that
[15:03] <ogra> dh_iconcache ?
[15:04] <persia> dh_icons, but that solves a slightly different issue.
[15:06] <ogra> "dh_icons is a debhelper program that updates Freedesktop icon caches when needed, using the update-icon-caches program provided by GTK+2.12."
[15:06] <ogra> well, it should provide you the same
[15:08] <persia> Um, no.
[15:08] <persia> dh_icons creates debhelper maintainer script stubs that call gtk-update-icon-cache
[15:09] <persia> If you want to update it locally yourself, this is different.
[15:09] <persia> You can't call the update at package build time, you need to call dh_icons.  Similarly, you can't call dh_icons on an installed system, you need to call gtk-update-icon-cache (or whichever is appropriate for your environment).
[15:10] <ogra> ah, yeah, you are missing the background :)
[15:10] <persia> dh_iconcache was a slightly different implementation of the debhelper solution, which was introduced as Ubuntu-local, and is now obsolete.
[15:10] <persia> Ah, true :)
[15:10] <ogra> Celtiore wanted to get rid of a lintian warning :)
[15:10] <persia> dh_icons is the right solution for that.
[15:11] <ogra> right
[16:14] <Celtiore> persia, i have a question
[16:14] <Celtiore> aigo mid have bluetooth and gps
[16:14] <Celtiore> but i can't find with ubuntu :(
[16:15] <Celtiore> http://www.midwiki.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=53&func=view&catid=4&id=345#346


[00:52]  * ZachK_ waves hey
[05:07] <pedro3005> hello mathay
[05:11] <thecliff> hey pedro3005
[05:11] <thecliff> how is everything going tonight
[05:11] <pedro3005> hi thecliff . pretty good
[05:12] <thecliff> pedro3005; are you a member of the UBT?
[05:17] <pedro3005> thecliff, yes
[06:59] <hobgoblin> morning phillw
[07:23] <duanedesign> morning hobgoblin
[07:31] <hobgoblin> hi duanedesign
[07:44] <duanedesign> doing well hobgoblin ?
[07:45] <duanedesign> i am trying to get my website to a point I am happy with it.
[07:45] <duanedesign> its been half-assed for awhile
[07:46] <hobgoblin> yea I am not too bad ty
[07:47] <hobgoblin> I have no website, blog, facebook or anything remotely similar to telling people anything lol
[07:48] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: heh, i could see where that would be nice
[07:48] <hobgoblin> lol - nice and easy - nothing to maintain
[07:48] <hobgoblin> except an immaculate appearance - so I fail badly lmao
[07:48] <duanedesign> i have a blog, wiki, and html page. Did all 3 mostly for the experience of setting them up on my server
[07:49] <duanedesign> but the html page is too much of a pain to maintain. So I am going to make my wiki my homepage
[07:50] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: got the idea from a Debian Devs page.  http://upsilon.cc/~zack/
[07:50] <hobgoblin> good plan I assume :)
[08:14] <ZachK_> Anybody need help here?
[08:17] <s4aluck> ZachK_: Yeah I need help
[08:18] <s4aluck> ZachK_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8975988#post8975988
[08:20] <ZachK_> So what's your question then?
[08:21] <s4aluck> ZachK_: I need to make my webcam working on Karmic
[08:21] <ZachK_> s4aluck: Ok....using skype?
[08:22] <s4aluck> ZachK_: did you see the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8975988#post8975988
[08:22] <ZachK_> I read it briefly
[08:22] <s4aluck> ZachK_:  not only skype in cheese is the same
[08:23] <s4aluck> ZachK_: the address doesn't exist anymore!?!?!
[08:24] <ZachK_> s4aluck: What address doesn't exist anymore
[08:25] <s4aluck> ZachK_: http://linuxtv.org/hg/%7Ejfrancois/gspca
[08:26] <ZachK_> Ok what is that supposed to be?
[08:26] <ZachK_> Welcome Phrea__
[08:28] <ZachK_> s4aluck: ....
[08:30] <s4aluck> ZachK_:I tryed to comp gspca to make it run again but the address does not exist anymore.
[08:31] <ZachK_> What is the address for
[08:33] <s4aluck> ZachK_: to just clone repository and recompile from source.
[08:34] <ZachK_> s4aluck: Ok so your webcam doesn't work after you upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10? Is that correct?
[08:34] <duanedesign> hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/
[08:34] <duanedesign> s4aluck: I found an article referenceing that address with tthe same guys name
[08:35] <s4aluck> ZachK_: no, after I upgraded only the kernel
[08:35] <ZachK_> duanedesign: Pm pls when u have time
[08:35] <duanedesign> http://stemp.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/karmic-get-the-latest-drivers-for-gspca-uvc-usbvideo-and-other/
[08:35] <duanedesign> there is the article if its any help
[08:35] <ZachK_> s4aluck: Ok...
[08:37] <s4aluck> duanedesign: but my kamera is pwc
[08:39] <s4aluck> duanedesign: do you think It will work!?
[08:40] <ZachK_> !shouting
[08:40] <Votebot> Factoid shouting not found
[08:41] <duanedesign> that driver supports a lot of webcams
[08:42] <s4aluck> duanedesign: ok I'll give a try and will tell you later
[08:42] <s4aluck> duanedesign: it looks it's a fresh one
[08:44] <duanedesign> s4aluck: you said you had it running before?
[08:45] <s4aluck> duanedesign: yes, but after the new kernel upgrade I got upside-down divided on two screen
[08:46] <s4aluck> duanedesign: it was two months ago
[08:47] <duanedesign> i see. so this post wasnt the one you used to originally get it to work http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8565188&postcount=9?
[08:50] <s4aluck> duanedesign: that was the post I used to get it work two months ago
[08:51] <s4aluck> duanedesign: now I try your way,thanks
[08:51] <duanedesign> ok
[08:52] <s4aluck> duanedesign: I'll call you later
[09:09] <s4aluck> duanedesign: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/YsKLBUKA pls see this
[09:19] <duanedesign> s4aluck: ok
[09:19] <duanedesign> after you : cd gspca
[09:20] <duanedesign> s4aluck: run the command:    ls
[09:20] <s4aluck> duanedesign: I made new folder named gspca
[09:20] <duanedesign> do you see a v4l/
[09:20] <s4aluck> duanedesign: yeah
[09:20] <s4aluck> duanedesign: at Home
[09:21] <s4aluck> /home/usrname/gspca
[09:22] <s4aluck> duanedesign: you mean this /home/stc/v4l-dvb
[09:22] <duanedesign> the command is looking  a v4l/ folder
[09:23] <s4aluck> duanedesign: so I have to   $ cd  /home/stc/v4l-dvb
[09:23] <s4aluck> but $ cd gspca
[09:24] <s4aluck> duanedesign: can you pls help
[09:24] <duanedesign> i am not sure. Are you using a guide?
[09:25] <duanedesign> i see it
[09:25] <duanedesign> the link i posted earlier
[09:25] <s4aluck> duanedesign: I use the address you gave me and follow the steps of installation from there
[09:31] <duanedesign> s4aluck: those directions dont make much sense :P
[09:31] <duanedesign> what is the model of your webcam?
[09:32] <s4aluck> duanedesign: pleomax pwc-3800
[09:35] <s4aluck> duanedesign: do I have to $cd/ home/username/v4l-dvb or create directory gspca and enter in to it $ cd gspca ????
[09:37] <s4aluck> duanedesign: then  ~/gspca$ sudo cp /boot/config-`uname -r` v4l/.config
[09:41] <duanedesign> ok
[09:41] <duanedesign> the folder v4l-dvb
[09:42] <s4aluck> duanedesign: itwasn't   $cd gspca but  cd /v4l-dvb
[09:42] <duanedesign> name it gspca
[09:42] <s4aluck> duanedesign:  it's ok now
[09:42] <duanedesign> right
[09:42] <duanedesign> :)
[09:43] <s4aluck> duanedesign: hold on I'll call you soon
[09:44] <duanedesign> s4aluck: i also found this on that site:  http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hgoede/gspca/
[10:03] <s4aluck> duanedesign: :) I am doin make install now :::)))))
[10:10] <s4aluck> duanedesign: I have to restart...
[10:20] <s4aluck> duanedesign: The same problem. On cheese has upside-down divided on 2 screen....on skype nothing at all may be must use LD_PRELOAD to start
[11:45] <ZachK_> Yo
[12:16] <lukjad86> Anyone here familiar with ksplice?
[12:33] <lukjad86> Anyone here familiar with ksplice? For some reason, it's not noticing kernel updates
[12:38] <Silver_Fox_> I am not.
[12:39] <lukjad86> Hm, okay
[14:36] <LinuxUser3890> hello everyone
[14:36] <st4aluck> hi
[14:36] <LinuxUser3890> happy st. patricks day
[16:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[16:27] <frankerad> hi, after installing ubuntu last night disk utility warns me that my hard drive has got some bad sectors, 7 of them to be precise. I'm on a one year old laptop, is this kind of wear-and-tear normal or should I be looking for a new hard drive?
[16:30] <Silver_Fox_> frankerad,  Have a look at this:  http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/588130-ubuntu-9-10-failing-hard-disk.html#post7356544
[16:32] <frankerad> Silver_Fox_ : thanks, I'll give that a try
[17:00] <Frankerad> so I'm back again, followed the instructions from the link, but I can't run the "sudo fsck" command for my /dev/sda . It just says that the Filesystem is mounted, which it is not...
[17:01] <Silver_Fox_> Are you using a live cd Frankerad  ?
[17:01] <Frankerad> yep
[17:02] <Frankerad> tried it with the 9.10 livecd first, didn't work, so I tried it with the 8.04 livecd, that didn't work either
[17:03] <Frankerad> the response i get is: "fsck.ext2: Devise or Resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda  Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?"
[17:09] <running_rabbit07> The LiveCD automatically mounts the Swap partition. Open GParted and right click on the Swap partition and click swap-off, then try the commands from the link again.
[17:09] <running_rabbit07> As long as swap is mounted you can't scan that drive.
[17:12] <Frankerad> hm, got a different error message this time, hold on...
[17:19] <Frankerad> the command i'm trying to run is: "sudo fsck -pcfv /dev/sda" the response i'm getting is : "fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda  /dev/sda: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck wi
[17:19] <Frankerad> alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 <device>"
[17:19] <bodhi_zazen> Frankerad: fsck /dev/sda1
[17:20] <bodhi_zazen> I believe you need to specify a partition, not sure on that
[17:20] <bodhi_zazen> And what file system is it ?
[17:20] <bodhi_zazen> ext3 ? ext4 ? other ?
[17:20] <Frankerad> it's ext4 (2 partions, and 1 swap)
[17:21] <Frankerad> bohdi_zazen: it seems to be doing something at least... no error message yet
[17:21] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[17:21] <bodhi_zazen> and yes some bad sectors are normal
[17:22] <bodhi_zazen> Personally I use smartmontools
[17:22] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/monitoring-hard-disk-health-with-smartd-under-linux-or-unix-operating-systems.html
[17:22] <Frankerad> i thought so, 7 seems to be quite low... once you take in to account the number of times i've cought the powercable with my foot....
[17:23] <Frankerad> bodhi_zazen: shouldn't it be telling me it's doing something? Now I just get a blinking square beneath the command I just executed....
[17:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.captain.at/howto-linux-smartmontools-smartctl.php
[17:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/monitoring-hard-disks-smart?page=0,0
[17:23] <bodhi_zazen> those links should get you started
[17:24] <bodhi_zazen> nope, linux commands are generally silent
[17:24] <bodhi_zazen> no news is good news
[17:24] <bodhi_zazen> let it run, but fsck is probably not the tool you want
[17:25] <Frankerad> thanks, i'll let it do it's thing until it says otherwise... I guess now that i've only done /dev/sda1 i'll have to do one for /dev/sda2 next?
[17:26] <Frankerad> many thanks everyone! (bodhi_zazen: i'll check out those links)
[17:27] <bodhi_zazen> Well, for bad blocks, go with smartmontools, see the linkies
[17:27] <bodhi_zazen> fsck is for the file system , not the hard drive itself, if that makes sense
[17:27] <bodhi_zazen> they are related, if you have a bad sector it can affect your file system
[17:27] <bodhi_zazen> but they are not the same thing
[17:27] <Frankerad> it does, i'll check it out
[17:28] <bodhi_zazen> most modern hard drives have mechanisms to manage bad sectors
[17:28] <bodhi_zazen> If bad sectors start affecting the file system, back up your data and get a new hard drive, lol
[17:28] <bodhi_zazen> when that starts to happen the entire HD can fail at any time
[17:29] <Frankerad> considering the current price for hard drives, a new one would be a no-brainer if I actually thought the HD was failing
[17:30] <Frankerad> remember back "in the days" when i bought an 80GB drive for around 120 bucks
[18:48] <michae1> I went through the gui ( System > Preferences > Network Connections ) and used the command line ( sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces ) to assign a static ip to the box ( used 255 as subnet and usual <IP_ADDRESS> as gateway ). after a soft and hard restart, the box can't see anything, internally or externally. anybody care to advise what I did wrong?
[19:23] <drubin> michae1: You would need to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[19:23] <michae1> will look that up...
[19:23] <drubin> michae1: also is there a reason you edited your /etc/network/interfaces by hand and not using the gui'?
[19:23] <drubin> michae1: http://pastebin.com
[19:24] <michae1> drubin: no reason specifically. when it didn't work through the gui, figured I'd try bullying it. it still won!!!
[19:24] <drubin> michae1: hehe
[19:25] <michae1> drubin: great, now I got you AND the machine laughing at me.
[19:25] <drubin> michae1: No not laughing at you.
[19:26] <drubin> it was the "it still won" part it was clever wording I liked itt
[19:26] <michae1> drubin: that's me. if i can't make fun of myself, then no one can!
[19:27] <pedro3005> :D
[21:04] <_Commander_> hi guys :)
[21:05] <hobgoblin> hi _Commander_
[21:05] <_Commander_> testing xchat on my mobile phone :p
[21:06] <_Commander_> it is awesome
[21:06] <hobgoblin> heh
[21:06] <_Commander_> Maemo rules :p
[21:09] <_Commander_> so what's up?
[21:10] <hobgoblin> nothing - the end of the day is nigh :)
[21:13] <_Commander_> hehe
[21:13] <_Commander_> 22,14 here.
[21:14] <hobgoblin> I was up at stupid o'clock again, only 21:14 but I am tired :)
[21:15] <drubin> _Commander_: o really you are happy with it, heard mixed things
[21:17] <_Commander_> it works really well for me
[21:19] <_Commander_> supertux game gives me 69fps on my nokia. pretty slick os. Only thing that i can complain about is that there is no enter key on few text aps for the touch screen.
[21:19] <_Commander_> apps*
[23:05] <st4aluck>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8984103#post8984103
[23:05] <st4aluck> I am happy now!!!!!!!!!!


[15:38] <erry> Hi
[15:38] <erry> I accidentally committed into thhe wrong branch
[15:38] <erry> how can  i undo it before i get fired?
[15:38] <LeoNerd> uncommit ?
[15:39] <erry> i don't want to make it any worse D:
[15:42] <Peng> "bzr uncommit" removes the most recent commit(s) from a branch, but it doesn't expunge the data from the repository, so you're still in trouble if this was the nuclear launch codes.
[15:43] <erry> it's ok, i got a colleague to do it
[15:43] <erry> (RIP erry'#s career, 2016-05-27 - 2016-06-06 :()
[15:43] <Peng> RIP humanity, if you launched the nuclear weapons
[15:43] <fullermd> To launch the nukes?  Man, I need more fun coworkers.
[17:01] <grewalkamal> Hi I am new to bzr. I am working on a project to which I do not have direct push access. I created my own development branch to work upon. Now when I pull the changes from the main trunk branch, the revision id there is say 101. And I did my last commit at revision 90. Now pulling the changes upto revision id 101, when I merge the trunk to my branch and push the changes, the revision id I get for my branch is 90 instead of 102.
[17:02] <grewalkamal> *revision id I get for my brnach is 91
[17:02] <grewalkamal> Will the revision ids synchronize once my changes are merged in the repo?
[17:11] <fullermd> The question isn't really meaningful.  revids are a branch-local construct; there's nothing to synchronize.
[17:15] <grewalkamal> Okay
[17:16] <grewalkamal> Being a newbie, I considered my branch revision id will be same after I merge changes from the upstream.
[17:16] <grewalkamal> Same with revision id of trunk.
[17:16] <fullermd> Mmph.  Sorry, I got lead into fuzzy expression.
[17:17] <fullermd> The revision _id_ is; that's nailed to the revision and stays with it forever.  The revision _number_ isn't, that's potentially going to differ depending on what branch it's in.
[17:18] <grewalkamal> Yh now it looks like fuzzy to me too. Well the difference is anyhow clear.
[17:18] <grewalkamal> Thanks.
[17:23] <fullermd> http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/RevNumbering  may help a little
[17:29] <grewalkamal> Helped. :-)
[17:30] <fullermd> So, "90" could mean pretty much any commit anybody ever made on any project anywhere.  But<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will always refer to exactly one revision.
[17:31] <fullermd> It's just a giant PITA to type or tell someone or remember.  Hence, the number, which works OK as long as you're both talking about the same branch.
[17:33] <grewalkamal> Yep. These numbers are local to branches I believe now.
[17:33] <grewalkamal> Thank you once again fullermd
[17:34] <fullermd> 's what I here for   :)
[17:34] <fullermd> I mean, that, and smartass comments.  But I need another cup of coffee before I'm in top form for that, so...
[17:36] <grewalkamal> :-)


[05:44] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, make sure to pick up the build-ppc64-s390x-nss.patch update from the beta branches fror 56!


[00:31] <fmarier> how about the "mwhudson chilts & fmarier" quiz team?
[00:32] <mwhudson> fmarier: sounds good :)
[00:38] <chilts> sounds good! :)
[00:38] <chilts> mwhudson: I thought you were a maybe?
[00:39] <mwhudson> chilts: i am getting better at making decisions, perhaps
[00:39] <chilts> you just needed a few morning coffees to help you through :)
[00:40] <mwhudson> funnily enough, i had my first proper coffee (i.e. not decaf) for a good few days this morning
[00:40] <chilts> I had a decaf this morning, but been drinking tea since
[01:01] <thumper> mwhudson: I thought you had given up?
[01:01] <thumper> mwhudson: or is coffee now a periodic thing?
[01:02] <mwhudson> thumper: not given up, just trying not to be addicted
[01:02] <mwhudson> uds drove a nail through that for a while
[02:13] <fmarier> mwhudson: how long is the withdrawal period if you go cold turkey?
[02:13] <lifeless> 2 weeks IIRC
[02:14] <mwhudson> fmarier: maybe 4-5 days?
[02:14] <mwhudson> i think it depends how much you're drinking when you quit
[02:14] <mwhudson> for me, hours 48-72 ish were the worst
[02:15] <lifeless> ah, up to a week claims instant google results
[02:15]  * ajmitch can stop with caffeine any time he wants, honest
[02:16] <mwhudson> tailing off gradually seems to work though and is a lot less unpleasant
[02:16] <mwhudson> one cup a day for a week, one cup every other day for a week, one cup every three days for the next and then stopping seems to work
[03:00] <snail> mwhudson: that solution requires three weeks of self control, and this is an addiction...
[03:06] <chilts> it took me 2.5 days to get over stopping coffeine
[03:06] <chilts> the headache on the 1st day was worst, then it was better, then fine
[03:06] <chilts> I sleep much better these days
[03:07] <ibeardslee> .. I wonder if that's why I get a headache over the weekend
[03:07] <chilts> ibeardslee: yes, that used to happen to me all the time
[03:07] <chilts> then I realised what it was
[03:07] <chilts> you probably sleep in longer, or get coffee later
[03:07] <ibeardslee> so the solution is a coffee on saturday and sunday morning
[03:07] <chilts> heh ;)
[03:16] <chilts> I hate code comments like 'File exists?', when the operation they are doing is "is readable"
[03:19] <ajmitch> & then the code explodes when it can't open the file due to permissions?
[03:22] <mwhudson> bonus points for using access(2) to do the checks
[03:36] <chilts> there are some interesting things in this code, like a global $param being stuffed all over the place
[03:37] <chilts> I also hate files which are named john.pm and have 'package Lucy;' in them ... it's very confusing
[03:38] <ibeardslee> you think that john.retard would be more appropriate?
[03:39] <chilts> indeed
[20:45] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:55] <ajmitch> morning
[21:15] <snail> morning
[22:27] <thumper> morning
[22:49] <hads> Morning
[22:53] <chilts> morning


[02:30] <ubotu> In ubotu, runlevelten said: !begentle is <reply> Be gentle.  (PS: Don't get caught by support burnout, take a rest instead)
[03:43] <effie_jayx> !netsplit
[03:43] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:18] <ubotu> In ubotu, Frogzoo said: no player is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Amarok, Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK  (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Frogzoo said: no player is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Amarok, Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Juk (Qt/KDE based), Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:13] <ubotu> runlevelten called the ops in #kubuntu
[05:15] <Tm_T> he's been misbehaving longer than that
[05:16] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:16] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:31] <Tm_T> stdin: have fun?
[05:32] <stdin> heh, not exactly fun
[05:32] <stdin> just annoying
[05:33] <stdin> I did /msg him, but he went off-line after that
[06:51] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, abhi_ said: ubotu, : what is host not found


[06:50] <hongyun> Hi, I am working on testing gnome using LDTP and Mago on Solaris. Does mago cover all the applications on gnome?Can anybody tell the details?
[06:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, we'll be moving to #ubuntu-quality from this channel
[06:51] <balloons> which is funny since we just moved here to stay consistent in jan :-)
[06:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, however right now no one can get into the channel
[06:51] <balloons> so no worries just yet
[06:52] <balloons> hongyun, mago isn't actively developed atm.. some mago folks might be able to provide moe
[06:52] <balloons> ldtp should work for most gnome apps and is actively developed and used afaik
[06:57] <elfy> hi balloons
[06:57] <hongyun> Do u mean no one develop mago now? And what's moe?
[06:57] <balloons> hi elfy !
[06:58] <elfy> moe will be a more missing an r hongyun ;)
[06:58] <balloons> good morning to you
[06:58] <elfy> balloons: don't expect to see you at a civilised hour of the day :D
[06:58] <balloons> elfy, not normally.. just while in denmark :-p
[06:59] <hongyun> :)
[07:01] <elfy> :)
[07:01] <elfy> I've missed it all
[07:26] <hongyun> How can I check LDTP installed successfully?
[14:53] <brendand> balloons, ping