[00:00] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: you're welcome ;)
[00:02] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: How's it working now?
[00:04] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: Really, I think it's cool that you're able to not use the Web at all. I may not use it for harmful purposes, but the fact that you're able to avoid using it entirely is great. Keep it up.
[00:05] <enigma9o7[m]> ummm i dont do that.  man that'd be a hassle.
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: Oh I misunderstood... LOL
[00:07] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: (I actually misunderstood, I'm realizing it might have sound like I was mocking with my last message, which is entirely incorrect, tone doesn't come through well in text...)
[00:10] <murmel> lol this is awesome, https://codeberg.org/ticho/irssi-matrix plugin for irssi to communicate with matrix xD. hope it will develop.
[00:19] <shoecht> Hi, I'd like to use my MX Ergo mouse buttons. Therefore I installed logid / logiops where I can configure the gestures and actions. However, the key actions like KEY_VOLUMEUP dont work when defined in the logid.cfg. I'm wondering if this might be an issue with localization since I'm using a german layout? However, KEY_A doesnt work either...
[00:21] <shoecht> I already checked if it is working somehow.. If I enter an invalid KEY in the config, I get an error in parsing the logid.cfg.
[00:28] <morganu> arraybolt3[m],  nope
[00:30] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: Well that's really odd. In the audio settings, there should be a little bar that shows you when audio is playing back (it should bounce back and forth while audio is playing). Can you open the audio settings, then start a YT video and see if the audio bar is bouncing?
[00:31] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: You might also try booting from a live USB and trying to play a video from there, to rule out the possibility of a hardware problem.
[00:41] <morganu> arraybolt3[m], I fixed it. Dont know how.
[01:15] <cluelessperson> When using ubuntu, it seems the entire desktop environment crashes, I see a bunch of @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ across the top of the screen, and I'm back at the login screen.
[02:07] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: What graphics are you using? Intel? AMD integrated? AMD discrete? nVidia?
[02:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, knowing the exact make and model of your laptop and the version of Ubuntu you're using may be helpful.
[02:22] <cluelessperson> arraybolt3[m], Intel.  It's a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga Gen 4 - Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - 5.15.0-33-generic #34-Ubuntu
[02:54] <jopi> what do you aplikation on ubuntu arm64
[02:54] <jopi> ??
[03:17] <cluelessperson> :P
[03:42] <tom> Test
[03:43] <Guest289> Not trying to break protocol, I am trying to understand what this is.
[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest289: This is a live support chatroom where people who are having trouble with their Ubuntu systems can ask for help fixing whatever's gone wrong.
[03:45] <Guest289> My god, I wish I had discovered this months ago.
[03:45] <Guest289> Internet forums have been somewhat helpful...
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest289: Right? It's really handy, and it's very active.
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest289: I learned Ubuntu from experience, websites, and forums, and yeah, live chat would have made things a lot easier.
[03:47] <Guest289> I have been fighting through this by reading old forum posts.
[03:47] <arraybolt3[m]> cluelessperson: Sorry to have taken so long to come back. Is this a fresh installation of Ubuntu, or did you do something and now your desktop is crashing?
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest289: That's about what I did.
[03:49] <Guest289> I have installed Ubuntu about 5 times and never discovered what this was.
[03:49] <Guest289> Thanks for responding arraybolt3
[03:49] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[03:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, not sure why this isn't easier to find. I learned Ubuntu pretty much by trial and error, ended up getting somewhat good at it, found the #lubuntu support chat, then discovered this place and now get to both give and get chat support.    Snap has some good security benefits, and since Ubuntu is designed to be used in enterprises, good security is extremely important.
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> veegee: (Note that I'm not associated with Canonical, and I don't actually like Snap all that much either, but I understand why they did what they did, and for their intended goal, I think it was a good idea.)
[05:03] <veegee> nix is great
[09:10] <ice9> docker service is not running however containerd is running, is it needed by any other system? if not how can I disable it?
[09:19] <Khepra> Hello. Debian recently had a regular kernel security upgrade which was actually a rebase to 5.10.120 which includes the massive changes in the random subsystem. I don't see this change in current ubuntu LTS kernels (regular or HWE). How can I find out whether this change is planned? Other than auditing changelogs before upgrade?
[09:23] <ice9> does Ubuntu have a lot of changes to gnome-shell in their distro other than the extensions?
[09:30] <zaggynl> Khepra: was there a CVE? could look it up on the ubuntu side with that
[09:30] <Khepra> zaggynl: it's not a security fix
[09:31] <Khepra> I've scoured through the ubuntu kernel changelogs and I don't see the changes, but that doesn't mean the patches can't be backported later.
[09:43] <tomreyn> Khepra: try #ubuntu-kernel
[09:44] <Khepra> tomreyn: thanks
[10:58] <transhumanist> so  I followed directions which said to use the following to revert to an earler gcc version: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-10 60 --slave /usr/bin/g++ g++ /usr/bin/g++-10 --slave /usr/bin/gcov gcov /usr/bin/gcov-1
[10:59] <transhumanist> how do I undo it, it complains when I try and change it saying it cant be remastered because g++ is a slave
[11:11] <clarkk> Does anyone know where the discussions happen for failed builds, like this one for 20.04?   https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-unstable/+packages
[11:17] <mort> What would be the best way to set up a system where an SSD operates as a cache for a larger HDD in Ubuntu Server? Would you maybe use ZFS and let its volume manager handle it? Or would you use LVM and ext4? Or is there some other option?
[11:51] <arkanoid> hello! why when I do "apt-get update" in terminal I see repositories that are not listed in "Software & Updates" -> "Other Software" tab?
[11:57] <wez> arkanoid: Cause that's not where the configuration is. Look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:58] <arkanoid> wez: I know where the apt configuration is in a debian-like system, question is why the "Software & Updates" -> "Other Software" gui app doesn't reflect 1:1 /etc/apt/
[11:59] <wez> Because the GUI is secondary and incomplete, use the configuration files.
[11:59] <leftyfb> arkanoid: what is or isn't showing in software & updates?
[12:00] <dv_> hi
[12:00] <dv_> I want to replace the preinstalled pipewire with one that I myself build, since I want to work on pipewire features
[12:02] <dv_> is there a way to uninstall the prebuilt pipewire in a way that doesn't cause dependent packages to be uninstalled? can I afterwards manually mark the pipewire packages as installed with apt-mark even if I did not install with apt? and finally, is there a way to check how the packager built pipewire, that is, build config
[12:02] <dv_> *that is, what build config options were used?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:15] <tomreyn> dv_: see the "equivs" package
[12:15] <tomreyn> dv_: this is a way to solve dependency issues and to replace a system provided (and dedpended-on) package by a dummy package.
[12:17] <tomreyn> dv_: but a better option may be to actually work on pipewire debian (.deb) packages yourself.
[12:17] <tomreyn> there is also #ubuntu-devel
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Ubuntu is transitioning from pulseaudio to pipewire on the devel release Kinetic 22.10. otherwise there are tutorials for the official release Ubuntu versions on the 'net to do so. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-pipewire-on-ubuntu-linux
[12:55] <jsmooth_> I've been trying to access Ubuntu installed alongside Win10. I turned off UEFI to install, but I'm not getting any boot menu other than Windows startup
[12:59] <murmel> jsmooth_: well, as windows is installed in efi mode, linux in bios mode, yes it makes sense that you don't see ubuntu
[12:59] <jsmooth_> I don't understand the answer
[13:00] <jsmooth_> ARe you saying to just make sure UEFI is turned off?
[13:00] <jsmooth_> Because windows boots either way
[13:01] <murmel> jsmooth_: oO if windows boots both ways, just use legacy mode then
[13:02] <jsmooth_> I can, but I want a boot menu for linux
[13:02] <thuguet> Hello there, i have some problemes with firefox since i upgraded to 22.04. As it now a snap it can't access to a file in /home/myuser/.Globalprotect that is necessary to connect to globalprotect (palo alto vpn) with saml. I've tried some combination of snap connect :home (that doesn't work since it's a hidden folder) or editing directly the apparmor profile ( "/home/** r,) with no luck. Anyone have an idea? i can't use the bindmount/hardlink
[13:02] <thuguet> method since the path is hardcoded
[13:57] <depesz> thuguet: use apt-installed firefox
[13:57] <depesz> add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa
[13:58] <ravage> no need for any ppa. just download the linux release from their website. extract it somewhere in your home folder and start it
[13:58] <ravage> it auto updates
[14:15] <thuguet> depesz: .... it's a solution, i hope it will be futurproof....and mostly i hope i will not use my 10000 opened tabs ^^ thanks
[14:19] <ice9> does Ubuntu have a lot of changes to gnome-shell in their distro other than the extensions?
[14:29] <clarkk> Does anyone know where the discussions happen for failed builds, like this one for 20.04?   https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+archive/ubuntu/qbittorrent-unstable/+packages
[14:29] <tomreyn> thuguet: there is also https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox
[14:30] <tomreyn> clarkk: this is a PPA. the members of the qbittorrent-team launchpad team would know: https://launchpad.net/~qbittorrent-team/+members#active
[14:31] <tomreyn> which is factually a single person
[14:31] <tomreyn> there's also a different PPA owner, though.
[14:39] <clarkk> tomreyn, thanks
[15:30] <ash_worksi> the thing at the top of the screen with the time on it is called the "title bar" right?
[15:32] <ioria> top panel, i guess
[15:34] <ioria> or 'top bar'
[15:34] <ash_worksi> oh I have heard "top bar" before
[15:35] <ash_worksi> is there a term that separates the clusters of info on the top bar? (ie [Activities, <Window>]      [Clock]      [other things])
[15:36] <humanface> I need (!!!) to deal with Ubuntu right now, and I'm starting to get really pissed off again... :)
[15:36] <humanface> I can't believe people like to torture themselves with OSes like this, but nevermind
[15:36] <Arsimael> humanface, Company IT?
[15:36] <humanface> yes
[15:36] <arraybolt3[m]> ash_worksi: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/shell-introduction.html.en That should have all the terms you're looking for.
[15:37] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: What's happening?
[15:37] <humanface> trying to use Virtualbox shared folder thing right now, and I basically need to be an airplane pilot to understand this shit
[15:37] <humanface> https://gist.github.com/estorgio/1d679f962e8209f8a9232f7593683265
[15:37] <humanface> I'm doing these steps
[15:37] <ash_worksi> arraybolt3[m]: I'll check it, thanks
[15:37] <humanface> its a wtf that I need to install several things to be able to share a f*ing folder :)
[15:37] <humanface> but nevermind
[15:38] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: That's for an unsupported version of Ubuntu. Why not just follow Oracle's instructions?
[15:38] <Arsimael> usually you dont.
[15:38] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Don't you just mount the Guest Additions ISO and then run the script that's in there?
[15:38] <humanface> I have installed vbox additions, but somehow badly... after the 3. or 4. trying, I just want to uninstall the whole thing and reinstall that
[15:38] <humanface> how can I do that?
[15:38] <humanface> arraybolt, if that would be that easy....
[15:39] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] I started with that, and surprise, it didn't work at all
[15:39] <humanface> struggling to share the folder for 1 hour now
[15:39] <Arsimael> AFAIK, the guest shared folder is done via cifs. Whats your guest OS?
[15:39] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Depends on how you installed them. Did you do it with apt, or from the Guest Additions script?
[15:39] <humanface> first I just double click on the run file in the virtual image
[15:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, I see that APT has the ISO, not the whole guest additions thing.
[15:40] <humanface> since that didn't work, it ran in the background for a time, and I have no idea it has finished or not
[15:40] <humanface> the bin appeared on desktop, that's why I thought something is happening
[15:40] <humanface> but I had no idea
[15:40] <humanface> then I tried to install this with the commands listed on the site
[15:40] <humanface> that gave error, needed lot of packages to be installed manually... because why not torture the user a bit
[15:41] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Also, what version of Ubuntu are you using in VirtualBox?
[15:41] <humanface> I installed those packages manually, restarted the system, because it asked me to do that
[15:41] <humanface> newest LTS version
[15:41] <humanface> 22 something
[15:42] <humanface> Arsimael what is cifs?
[15:42] <Arsimael> The "Windows" File share
[15:42] <humanface> Arsimael you're talking chinese now
[15:42] <humanface> I have no idea
[15:42] <Arsimael> When I do the shared folder thing I usually open the "network" ans see it there.
[15:43] <humanface> ok I have absolutely no idea what are you talking about
[15:43] <humanface> isn't there a video tutorial for this thing?
[15:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Video tutorials are a good way to make things blow up.
[15:44] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: OK, start over. Can you create a new VM in VirtualBox?
[15:44] <jhutchins> humanface: If you want to be completely passive and have everything done for you, Linux is probably the wrong OS.
[15:44] <humanface> jhutchins I hate linux, but right now I have no choice, I need to use this
[15:44] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: He's in an IT scenario.
[15:45] <Arsimael> On the guest OS, (If you have a gui) there is usually a way to list all network fileshares. on ubuntu it's "orher places" (or something like that" in the filemanager
[15:45] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Everything I'm finding says that the install script should work. There's likely something you changed somewhere along the way, and especially since you have Guest Additions already installed but not working for some reason, it seems likely to me that something got scrambled.
[15:47] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] yeah, and in normal OSes, you can repair that with 2 mouseclicks, but in here, you need to type a detective novel into terminal to solve these kind of issues
[15:47] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: If you can make a new VM, try making the VM, doing an apt update and apt full-upgrade, reboot, insert the Guest Additions ISO, then navigate to the script and run it in a terminal (probably with sudo).
[15:47] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: It does seem like that at first LOL, but once you spend some time with it, it starts to get easier. I've had a much easier time unraveling Linux glitches than Windows murder mysteries.
[15:48] <rfm> humanface, the most likely thing is the install is failing but you're not seeing the error messages because you
[15:48] <rfm> re running the script in the gui
[15:49] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Just out of curiosity, you are trying to mount the folder like this, right? command below
[15:49] <Arsimael> OK, but TBH, ubuntu isn't the best choice to start linux with :D Too many ubuntu/Debian related "special ways"
[15:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Great, I had the command...
[15:49] <rfm> humanface, I would go ahead and run the GA install in a terminal (instructions in https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#additions-linux ) so we can see what the error is
[15:50] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: rfm is right. You should navigate to the Guest Additions script in the ISO, then open a terminal and run the script that way. Then tell us what messages it's spitting out. That's probably the quickest way to fix the problem.
[15:50] <humanface> Arsimael I don't want to "start" to use Ubuntu, I just want to test if my app is running well in it, that's all
[15:51] <humanface> I will never use linux as my primary desktop, because it's not for video games (yeah, bunch of crappy titles are available, but not the ones I'm interested in)
[15:51] <akossh> I think it is the job of the IT department to set up the tools for the workers, if the workers are forced to work with a new tool. I totally understand the frustration in this situation, when the IT department does not do its job
[15:52] <humanface> ok how can I purge the previously installed vboxadditions into the deepest point of hell?
[15:54] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Did you try to install the vboxadditions from the terminal? If so, what error messages did it give? Like others have said, it's probably not even installed in the first place and we don't know why without the errors that the terminal will show you.
[15:55] <humanface> if that would be so easy to copy-paste the error from there...
[15:55] <humanface> how can I do that?
[15:55] <humanface> because ctrl+c ctrl+v won't work
[15:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Select text, Ctrl+Shift+C to copy.
[15:55] <akossh> Just select and middle click will paste it
[15:55] <humanface> akossh no it isn't, it's vbox
[15:55] <akossh> or ctrl+shift+C in terminal, then Ctrl+V in pastebin
[15:56] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] no, it's not copying anything
[15:56] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: You can also just screenshot it and send it (upload to Imgur and paste the link if needed)
[15:56] <akossh> humanface: Ah, i didn't know, you use the guest for IRC
[15:56] <humanface> https://imgur.com/a/GxwhFOR
[15:56] <akossh> *host
[15:56] <enigma9o7[m]> you have to have guest additions installed, and enable two way shared clipboard
[15:56] <humanface> akossh I won't touch the linux other than trying out my app in there...
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Reboot the VM.
[15:57] <humanface> I have already rebooted after installation for 2-3 times I think now
[15:57] <humanface> but ok
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Hold on one sec.
[15:58] <akossh> humanface: look at /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log to see if there is an error there
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you do "cat /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log | nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal?
[15:58] <humanface> akossh I have already restarted
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Then send us the link it spits out.
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> This will tell us what's in your VBox guest additions setup log and allow us to help debug it for you.
[15:59] <akossh> humanface: hopefully /var/log is not on tmpfs in Ubuntu, so the log should be there even after the reboot
[16:00] <humanface> can't even open that log...
[16:00] <humanface> need to figure out how to open that log for you
[16:01] <humanface> ok there are 4 vboxadd setup log
[16:01] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, do "sudo su -", then run the cat command.
[16:01] <akossh> You can use the file manager to see if it is there, then use the command suggested by arraybolt3[m] to upload it.
[16:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, open a terminal, then type this command sequence:
[16:02] <humanface> ok how to copy-paste this out of vbox?
[16:02] <humanface> this log
[16:03] <humanface> nevermind
[16:03] <humanface> https://pastebin.com/Yqya91y9
[16:05] <ash_worksi> I know this is a bit miopic, but is this vocabulary accurate: click the "clock" to open the "Calendar". This shows you notifications on the left and "appointments" on the right
[16:06] <humanface> there isn't any notifications there
[16:06] <akossh> humanface: do you have the "linux-headers" package installed?
[16:06] <enigma9o7[m]> had you tried what it said on line 8?
[16:07] <ash_worksi> humanface: I wasn't contributing to your problem. Sorry for being confusing.
[16:07] <humanface> akossh it gives me a list
[16:07] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: That looks like it's for rebuilding a kernel.
[16:07] <enigma9o7[m]> ah ok nvm
[16:07] <enigma9o7[m]> just sometimes trying what it says works
[16:09] <ash_worksi> Also, other than `ctrl+alt+tab, shift+tab, enter` is there a shortcut to the system menu?
[16:09] <humanface> akossh ok so what should I select from the list?
[16:09] <akossh> humanface: I believe, you need the linux-headers package for your kernel version, Might be there is one without a version, which automatically installs the correct version. It's been a long time, since I used ubuntu
[16:09] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Try "sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)".
[16:10] <humanface> it says already the newest version
[16:10] <ash_worksi> I am suprised anyone would have to explicitly install headers
[16:10] <humanface> you know, this is why I hate linux :)
[16:10] <ash_worksi> I figured something like apt upgrade would do that for you
[16:11] <humanface> we are struggling as a group on this problem, which is basically only an installation issue
[16:11] <humanface> of a single program
[16:11] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah as long as you follow normal kernel updates etc its all automatic.  usually only hav eto install headers manually if you installed a kernel manually.
[16:11] <humanface> on Windows I would never encounter any kind of these issues
[16:11] <akossh> ash_worksi: it's because normally those headers are not needed, but the virtualbox guest additions installer script is just a script.
[16:11] <enigma9o7[m]> What is the issue btw?
[16:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Oh that the guest additions wont install.
[16:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm weird.
[16:11] <arraybolt3[m]> enigma9o7: VirtualBox Guest Additions aren't installing.
[16:12] <humanface> enigma9o7[m] https://pastebin.com/Yqya91y9
[16:12] <akossh> It would be much easyer, if the guest additions would have a package, with the correct dependencies.
[16:12] <humanface> akossh it would be easier to just commit suicide...
[16:12] <ash_worksi> I believe it the image you download does?
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Maybe a silly question, but you are using the latest version of VirtualBox right?
[16:12] <humanface> no, I'm not
[16:12] <enigma9o7[m]> akossh: there is, if you use the ubuntu version of virtualbox....
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: I'm seeing that the error you're getting is sometimes caused by an outdated VirtualBox.
[16:13] <ash_worksi> i am pretty sure this is all just "download and go" difficulty, but idk. I haven't used VBox in a long time
[16:13] <humanface> ok, I'm updating that
[16:13] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: That's probably you're problem. Can you update VIrtualBox?
[16:13] <enigma9o7[m]> but usually its easier to "insert guest additions cd" from the host side cuz the host isnt always running the same version as whats in ubuntu repo
[16:14] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: If it's any consolation, from being a Linux user and a previous VirtualBox user, your many woes with Linux here are not Linux's fault, but VirtualBox's. I have fought with that virtualization program SO MUCH and it is AWFUL. Even Hyper-V was better.
[16:14] <ash_worksi> lastly does anyone know if you type something on the "Settings" dialog if you can actually select a window from the populated list using your keyboard (and further can you "focus" on the submenu search somehow?)
[16:14] <ash_worksi> bbs
[16:17] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] I love to figure out logic problems, and love programming, when it's about logic
[16:17] <humanface> but I hate to struggle with technical things, when you get an error without a meaning, and you need to be Sherlock Holmes to find out what the problem is
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Yeah, me too. And I totally get how frustrating this is. I'm very sorry this is happening.
[16:18] <enigma9o7[m]> Dunno what's going wrong for ya tho, its not typical.  I've installed dozens of vms from and of ubuntu, and they always just insatlled.
[16:19] <enigma9o7[m]> guest additions that is
[16:19] <humanface> I will just mount a pendrive or something into the vbox
[16:19] <humanface> I give this up
[16:19] <humanface> even after updating vbox, I got the same issue
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: You updated to the latest VirtualBox, but now you need to try installing Guest Additions again.
[16:20] <humanface> yeah, tried that
[16:20] <humanface> same
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: ?! Wow, I hate VBox.
[16:20] <akossh> humanface: Or create a file share in windows, and use a bridged network adapter, to access it from the guest
[16:20] <akossh> humanface: did you try to install the linux-headers package?
[16:21] <arraybolt3[m]> The pendrive idea is good, but VBox's USB passthrough never did work for me. At this point, you might have better luck just flashing Ubuntu to a USB drive with BalenaEtcher, then installing it onto another pendrive and then doing everything from there.
[16:21] <humanface> akossh that would take for 2-3 hours or more, and with a lot of stress
[16:21] <humanface> so I just give that up
[16:21] <enigma9o7[m]> he said header package was already latest version, as it should be...
[16:22] <rfm> humanface, your problem is you're using Virtualbox 6.0.24 but Linux 5.15.  The last kernel the vbox 6.0 series supports seems to be 5.6 ( https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-6.0 )
[16:22] <arraybolt3[m]> rfm: He just updated VBox.
[16:23] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Can you tell me what version of VBox you're currently on? It might have only updated one version, and still has more to go.
[16:26] <rfm> humanface, if you've updated vbox on the host to at least 6.1.28 (first release that supports kernel 5.15) then mount the iso that came with the vbox install (devices>insert Guest Additions in the VM window.)
[16:26] <humanface> vbox thought it will be a good idea to disable my keyboard in the host OS
[16:26] <humanface> so I couldn't type until I closed vbox
[16:27] <humanface> rfm I used that
[16:27] <humanface> and it's shit
[16:28] <humanface> ok I need to actually take a pill to calm me down
[16:29] <humanface> it's unbelievable
[16:29] <akossh> In this situation, if the vbox guest additions is this much broken, and I do nothave time or will to fix it, and I am on my home network, I would just change the VM-s network adapter to "bridged mode", and use network file sharing from the Windows host. That should work out of the box in Ubuntu.
[16:29] <rfm> humanface, to get the keyboard back from the VM you use the VBox ""Host" key (usually the right-hand CTRL key, there's a note in the lower right hand corner of the VM windows telling yoiu that..  (VBox told you this in a popup when you first started the VM, but you probably just clicketd through)
[16:32] <rfm> humanface, If you have in fact run the GA install from the ISO from the host install, I need to see the log from that GA install to try to figure out what's wrong.
[16:33] <humanface> and what is GA?
[16:33] <humanface> you pretend like I know what's going on
[16:33] <rfm> GA = Guest Additions
[16:34] <humanface> ok, it was not trivial
[16:39] <humanface> I can't even find the log...
[16:39] <humanface> but I already linked that for you a few times
[16:39] <humanface> rfm
[16:41] <humanface> ok since usb also doesn't work as intended, I'm just using a cloud service
[16:42] <humanface> I have no patience for this
[16:45] <rfm> humanface, all the logs you gave a link for still show virtualbox 6.0.24
[16:45] <humanface> the issue was the very same, but nevermind
[16:50] <Gallomimia> how can i make snap do its update to firefox before i launch it?
[16:51] <humanface> Gallomimia like Thanos with his fingers
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Gallomima: Open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then run "sudo snap refresh firefox".
[16:51] <Gallomimia> it's been yelling at me for 3 days but firefox is the first thing i launch and the last thing i close
[16:51] <Gallomimia> since every damn thing worth doing on a computer these days is stuck inside a bloatware browser :(
[16:52] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: Make an alias that runs the update when you launch, or put something in your crontab that does it overnight.
[16:52] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: To be honest, you're not missing much in a 24 hour update cycle.
[16:52] <Gallomimia> it's been days and days, and it's a major update i think
[16:52] <Gallomimia> i prefer to keep things pretty un-automatic
[16:53] <Gallomimia> thanks much arraybolt3[m]
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Gallomima: Just run the command I showed. Works for me every time.
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Gallomima: 👍
[16:53] <Gallomimia> it did the deed and now i can get on with life which involves netflix or youtube
[16:54] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] I setted 10 gb for linux in vbox, and it's not enough for it... I can't download my app from a cloud service... I can't believe this...
[16:54] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: I believe the snap update will run just fine with firefox open, you just need to close all instances and reload to get the new version in ram.
[16:55] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] I increased the size of the virtual disk to 30 gb and it CAN'T SEE THAT
[16:55] <humanface> the linux can't see that
[16:55] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Open GParted, and grow the partition to take up the new space.
[16:55] <humanface> arraybolt3[m] can't find gparted
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Grrr.... OK, then search for "Disks".
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> There should be an app called "Disks" that will allow you to grow the partition.
[16:57] <humanface> ok I could do that
[16:58] <humanface> installed gparted from apt-get
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> humanface: Does Linux see the rest of the disk now?
[16:58] <humanface> I hope so
[16:58] <humanface> yeah, download was completed, so yeah
[17:12] <ice9> this is a brand new external SSD with USB 3.2 gen 2x2; When I try to connect it to Thuderbolt 4 port, it doesn't get recognized every time and doesn't show any output in dmesg at all; I keep trying until it show up and works; I test with android phone, it works right every time I connect it; any idea?
[17:13] <arraybolt3[m]> ice9: So, it did eventually work?
[17:13] <jhutchins> ice9: Tell us about the hardware that you're connecting it to.
[17:15] <ice9> arraybolt3[m], yes when it's recognized it works very well
[17:15] <ice9> jhutchins, Sandisk Extreme Pro SSD
[17:15] <ice9> jhutchins, Asus laptop
[17:15] <arraybolt3[m]> ice9: And if you unplug it and plug it back in, does it sometimes not work?
[17:16] <ice9> arraybolt3[m], yes
[17:16] <arraybolt3[m]> ice9: Also, when it works, do you have to leave it plugged in for a while, or does it just appear?
[17:16] <ice9> arraybolt3[m], it keeps working fine as long as it's connected, this happens with the 2 USB-C (thunderbolt 4) ports, but with USB-A it works fine every time
[17:16] <jhutchins> ice9: "Asus laptop" covers a thousand or so different devices.
[17:18] <jhutchins> ice9: It doesn't show up at all?  How many USB2 vs USB3 ports does the laptop have?  What does dmesg say on a failed connect?
[17:18] <ice9> jhutchins, it has 2 usb-c thunderbolt 4 ports and ubs-a 3.2
[17:18] <ice9> jhutchins, dmesg say nothing
[17:18] <ash_worksi> on 20.04, if I go to settings and type "key", I see: [Keyboard Shortcuts ...] [Region & Language ...]
[17:19] <jhutchins> ice9: Which release and which kernel are you on?
[17:19] <ice9> jhutchins, 22.04 5.15.0-37
[17:19] <ash_worksi> if I press "enter" it will take me to "Keyboard Shortcuts" ... without using the mouse, is there a way to select Region & Language?
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> ice9: This sounds like there might be an issue with your laptop's Thunderbolt ports, or maybe an issue with your particular combo of laptop and Thunderbolt cable.
[17:22] <jhutchins> ice9: A pretty obvious question is whether you've tried the different ports, whether the different ports have separate internal hubs, and whether you've tried multiple cables.
[17:24] <jhutchins> What's the UEFI equivalent of a BIOS update?
[17:26] <murmel> jhutchins: firmware update
[17:28] <jhutchins> Hard to tell if there is one with only the brand.
[17:28] <humanface> ok, so the funny part is
[17:29] <humanface> that I struggled for 3 hours only to realize that vbox linux can't be used to try out my app...
[17:29] <humanface> because it's a game, and vbox is stuttering as hell
[17:29] <humanface> even when I provide every resource
[17:30] <jhutchins> humanface: Games are notorious resource hogs, and often bypass OS control of hardware to address it directly, which of course doesn't work on a VM.
[17:31] <jhutchins> humanface: You could try dual-boot, although I wouldn't think a linux install would be something you'd enjoy learning.
[17:31] <humanface> jhutchins I would make the QA guy to learn that himself
[17:32] <humanface> and I just sit back in my armchair
[17:34] <jhutchins> humanface: What's your actual role?
[17:35] <humanface> jhutchins programmer
[17:37] <jhutchins> humanface: I'm guessing Windows with a good advanced development suite?
[17:37] <humanface> right, and with gaming suite
[17:37] <humanface> and linux (and mac) is not for gaming at all
[18:02] <mattf> Im trying to update from 20.04 to 22.04 with `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` but i get this
[18:02] <mattf> http://ix.io/405B
[18:02] <mattf> bad paste
[18:03] <mattf> -> http://ix.io/405C
[18:03] <arraybolt3[m]> mattf: Upgrades from 20.04 to 22.04 are not permitted by default until 22.04.1 is released. This is for stability reasons (it allows six months for us shiny-new-thing lovers to stabilize the distro before those who need the stability start using it).
[18:03] <mattf> yeah but what if i dont care :)
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> mattf: Ah, I see you're using the -d flag, let me look at the paste.
[18:04] <jhutchins> !upgrade
[18:04] <arraybolt3[m]> mattf: Try "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" first.
[18:04] <jhutchins> mattf: It's slightly less automatic but still easy.
[18:05] <jhutchins> arraybolt3[m]: Wouldn't they need to update their sources.list first?
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> mattf: Also, you did back up your data before attempting this, right?
[18:05] <mattf> yeah
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: I thought do-release-upgrade was supposed to take care of that, and you have to have a fully updated system before updating.
[18:06] <jhutchins> mattf: The problem would appear to be that the mirror you selected isn't up to date yet.  You might pastebin your current sources.list
[18:07] <jhutchins> mattf: Also check the upgrade and upgrade-notes links above.
[19:21] <mathis_> bonjour
[19:23] <en7ropy> Hey guys.  I'm trying to encrypt a 7z file.  It keeps failing with "An error occurred while saving the archive.  Command exited abnormally"  google/ddg seemed to have no hits.  Any advice?
[19:27] <sarnold> en7ropy: can you find the command that file-roller is executing and run that by hand?
[19:27] <sarnold> probably there's better error messages from the underlying tool
[19:27] <oerheks> "An error occurred while saving the archive." full disk?
[19:29] <en7ropy> To compress before encrypting I used Right Click->Compress.  Should I find/learn the file-roller CLI to do what you're asking?
[19:29] <en7ropy> oerheks: I have 20GB free on disk
[19:29] <InPhase> en7ropy: Does this work?  echo "Test data" >input.txt; 7z a -mhe=on input.7z input.txt
[19:30] <en7ropy> InPhase: Yes, that appears to work correctly
[19:31] <InPhase> Wait, that might not have actually enabled encryption...  It did not prompt me for a password!
[19:31] <en7ropy> InPhase I think the -p option is used for encryption
[19:33] <InPhase> en7ropy: Yeah.  -p needs to be in there after a.
[19:33] <en7ropy> InPhase: so for that test file, everything seems to be working fine
[19:33] <InPhase> Generally, leave the password not specified on the command line.    Do you have write access to the directory for the file you are attempting to compress through the gui?
[19:35] <en7ropy> InPhase: Yes, it is in my home directory
[19:35] <InPhase> en7ropy: For backups, encfs can be a much nicer method.
[19:36] <en7ropy> InPhase: does encfs support AES-256?
[19:36] <InPhase> Yes.
[19:36] <InPhase> en7ropy: With encfs you can make an encrypted directory, mount it, and within it you can use rsync to do clever things like incremental backups.
[19:37] <InPhase> Also browsing around for specific files to extract is very natural, as it's just a locally mounted encrypted file system that you're browsing.
[19:41] <en7ropy> InPhase: So what I'm trying to do right now is backup to a USB HDD.  What you're suggesting makes me think of doing this with a secondary server which I don't currently have.
[19:45] <arraybolt3[m]> en7ropy: rsync can be used to work with a secondary server I believe, but that's not its only purpose - it's also a really versatile file copying utility for use right on your local system.
[19:46] <en7ropy> arraybolt3[m]: So I could hook up my USB HDD overnight and let rsync/encfs backup/encrypt the directories for me to get in the morning?
[19:47] <arraybolt3[m]> I believe that's correct. Try "man rsync" in a terminal to find out about all the options it has.
[19:47] <en7ropy> arraybolt3[m]: ok, thanks for the lead
[19:48] <arraybolt3[m]> en7ropy: 👍
[19:54] <jhutchins> en7ropy: Might want to look at rdiff backup.  It's specifically meant to manage backups using rsync.
[19:55] <en7ropy> jhutchins: Thanks for that, I'll add it to the list of things to check out
[19:55] <jhutchins> en7ropy: rsync is also great for transfer between systems, it has a compress option and can re-start a transfer if interrupted.
[19:56] <jhutchins> en7ropy: Also only requires an ssh connection, so minimal exposed surface.
[19:57] <en7ropy> jhutchins: I do plan on getting a server setup at some point in the future after I finish my other projects, have been on a computer security kick recently, and soon will be doing server/network stuff as well.
[20:08] <morganu> please help me to undestand all those loop# entries when I do df -h (20.04)  I dont know how to search for this even.
[20:09] <jhutchins> morganu: You have an infestation of containers.
[20:09] <morganu> I have neer knowingly dont that. And they all say /snap/blabla/#
[20:09] <morganu> all 100% use too.
[20:10] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: Sounds like Snap doing it's thing. When you have Snap packages on your system (which Ubuntu does by default), you have a bunch of loop devices for all the snaps in use. They're perfectly normal and you can ignore them.
[20:10] <arraybolt3[m]> They aren't actual disks, they're just the guts of your system working normally and coming into view.
[20:11] <morganu> This isnt even useful. jhutchins I wanted to find out how much of my hard drive is in use and then ask if there is a way I can partition the drive without stepping on any of my data. . since I dont have any idea of how stuff is spread out on the drive and if a partiton request could repack the data into a smaller partition size. (Am I making any sense? Is my worry valid?)
[20:12] <rfm> arraybolt3[m], you can run "df -x squashfs" to keep the noise down.  (I made an alias to always do that.)    Once you upgrade to 22.04 df will ignore those snap artifacts by default.
[20:13] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: If you open Gnome Disks, that should show you how much of your disk is in use. To shrink a partition, you'll need to boot from an external drive (like a live USB) since I'm pretty sure you can shrink a mounted ext4 partition. Do note that shrinking partitions can go horribly wrong sometimes, so it's very, very highly recommended that you back up your data before shrinking a partition.
[20:13] <InPhase> en7ropy: I specifically back up to usb hard drives with encfs and rsync to make hard links for incremental backup purposes (that part is optional, but saves space).  I've done this for about a decade now, and it's very reliable.
[20:13] <InPhase> en7ropy: So it's compatible with that goal.  :)
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> rfm: Thanks, didn't know that! That would've been handy to know back when I was on 20.04 - alas, I suffer from shiny new thing syndrome and have my main rigs on 22.04.
[20:16] <sarnold> morganu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029493/how-can-i-stop-snaps-from-listing-in-df
[20:16] <morganu> I got an answer from     df -Th
[20:17] <morganu> sarnold, I want to understand this stuff not just remove it.
[20:17] <en7ropy> InPhase:  Thanks for letting me know that!  I have some reading to do about these programs for sure.
[20:18] <jhutchins> morganu: If you want to resize your disks, you should make a backup of everything on the physical (or virtual) drive.
[20:19] <jhutchins> morganu: Once you've done that, there are gui tools to resize the partitions.
[20:19] <jhutchins> morganu: Be aware that partitioning your storage mainly ensures that the space you need will be on the wrong partition.
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> morganu: The Snap package manager works with mostly self-contained applications, packaged into "snaps". Each snap is stored in a squashfs package to keep the size down. In order to access the program inside, Ubuntu mounts the squashfs packages as loop devices, and then can get at the actual application inside each snap. This works well for keeping disk size down and for making the whole Snap system work.  I am looking to partition an really bit sd card (132G), and install 22.04 as persistent on one partition - then partition this dell, and install 22.04. If it works, back up and write over 20.04
[20:22] <jhutchins> morganu: You are unlikely to be happy with Linux running from a USB, but it's worth learning about.
[20:23] <rfm> mattf, jhutchins after some fooling around I found that the arm64 binaries are not in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, but in ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports.  I don't know how mattf got a arm install pointing to archive, but I just ran a focal->jammy upgrade on a AWS EC2 ARM instance and it worked just fine pulling from ports.ubuntu.com
[20:23] <jhutchins> morganu: http;//pendrivelinux.com can be very helpful in building your image.
[20:23] <mattf> oh i removed those mirrors and arhiteture and it is upgrading now
[20:24] <mattf> im on amd64
[20:24] <mattf> i tried to cross compile something someday
[20:25] <rfm> mattf, Oh, great. at least I learned something about the ubuntu repository structure...
[20:26] <en7ropy> Is there any way to securely store a password to be used in a cronjob command that automatically will backup/encrypt a directory or am I stuck storing it as plaintext if I choose to do it that way?
[20:30] <jhutchins> en7ropy: Is there a way you can use pre-shared keys instead of passwords?
[20:34] <en7ropy> jhutchins: I don't think so?  I'd be using it for the 7zip program right now, and later for the encfs/rsync combo that I will be implementing.
[20:35] <en7ropy> jhutchins: 7zip doesn't have pre-shared keys mentioned in the man page
[21:18] <VIA> good evening lads and ladders!
[21:18] <VIA> i have a question, how do i find out what kind of .Desktop. I actually have?
[21:18] <sarnold> ?
[21:18] <VIA> i know my "desktop enviroment" is XFCE
[21:19] <VIA> but how do i know what im looking at when im at my desktop? the icons keep aranging and "compressing" themselves into a very odd manner
[21:19] <VIA> they squeeze themselves all onto the most-right desktop when i have multiple monitors on
[21:21] <VIA> like in a grid, but i cant find or use nada cause its full already. so i gguess the additional items mingle themselves to an even more-right(..side) imaginary monitor ._.
[21:21] <tomreyn> if you have a xubuntu specific question, #xubuntu may be the best place.
[21:21] <VIA> oh i found some settings. this was defnitely a layer 8 problem
[21:24] <VIA> ok nope. its behavious is absolutely random. in the menu tab 'Icons' on 'Icons orientation:" whatever i select it doesnt change a thing
[21:35] <jhutchins> VIA: What did you install?
[22:12] <morganu> VIA I use Ubuntu because of this channel.
[22:12] <morganu> choose
[22:15] <morganu> pydf is a python script that displays the amount of disk space available on the mounted filesystems, using different colours for different types of filesystems. Output format is completely customizable.
[22:25] <morganu> re repartinioning my HD I hav 145G Used and 289g available. (Windows used to jam everything at the beginning of the hd but I think linux is different. - will gpart clear empty space and pack everthing I have into one partition space or will I mess up my data??
[22:26] <oerheks> i would let windows diskmanagment change the partition.
[22:41] <goddard> whatevever you do backup important information
[23:08] <FLmM> hello
[23:08] <FLmM> any one here ?
[23:09] <tomreyn> !ask | FLmM
[23:15] <wez> Wow, FLmM was using IRC as root :\
[23:22] <root___> whois edgy2
[23:25] <murmel> quite interesting how many people log in with root :/
[23:28] <InPhase> murmel: That's a classic IRC joke to set that as the ircname/realname in the client.  ident for IRC hasn't worked in decades.
[23:42] <yetoo> Has anyone else been getting segmentation fault internal compiler error when trying to compile some projects. Don't have time to report it, just wondering
[23:43] <yetoo> with 20.04 lts btw
[23:43] <sarnold> yetoo: are you perchance using an sd card for your filesystem? sd cards are notorious garbage and this kind of thing can happen when they're unhappy
[23:44] <yetoo> sarnold: no, its in virtualmachine on a hardisk
[23:44] <sarnold> yetoo: what's in dmesg on the host? on the guest?
[23:47] <yetoo> sarnold nothing indicating segmentation fault on either
[23:47] <sarnold> yetoo: oh that's *weird* -- the kernel usually logs some details in dmesg on segfaults..
[23:48] <sarnold> I certainly expected to see that in the guest
[23:48] <sarnold> the host's logs, that's just a fishing expedition
[23:53] <yetoo> I'm switching to a different vm os for the time being


[12:08] <mornfall> bah what a sucky day
[12:08] <mornfall> --> sleep
[04:35] <freeflying-ibook> no OSD for fn+Fx
[04:36] <freeflying-ibook> no OSD for fn+Fx in dapper on ppc
[07:40] <viviersf> Riddell : PING !!!!!!!!!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hehe, that's an eager ping viviersf
[07:56] <viviersf> oh yeas
[07:56] <viviersf> i need docs\
[07:56] <viviersf> los of docs
[07:56] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:56] <viviersf> and mr kde must help me here
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i see...
[07:56] <viviersf> "why is kde superioir to gnome"
[08:20] <mornfall> where's everyone
[08:20] <Hobbsee> asleep?
[08:20] <mornfall> bah
[08:20] <Hobbsee> pathetic, i know
[08:20] <Hobbsee> what were you after?
[08:21] <mornfall> nothing in particular... possibly status on adept upload
[08:22] <mornfall> but considering Riddell got around 2am to d/l it it's not very far
[08:23] <Hobbsee> ah great
[08:24] <Hobbsee> i got a new version of adept today in the repos, if that helps
[08:24] <mornfall> hmm, which one would that be?
[08:24] <mornfall> if it's what i gave him last night he's quick
[08:25] <mornfall> weee
[08:26] <mornfall> oooh, i'm probably not on the kati^Wsoyuz whitelist so i don't get mail
[08:26] <mornfall> hmm, no it's not it
[08:27] <mornfall> or is it
[08:27] <mornfall> no it's not
[08:27] <mornfall> feb 8
[08:29] <mornfall> it's in, it's just my mirror lagging
[08:29] <mornfall> \o/
[10:47] <mornfall> hmm, still everyone in limbo?
[10:49] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: how do you mean?
[10:50] <mornfall> just wondering if anyone woke up in the meantime :-)
[10:52] <sealne> well /me is trying to get X working again on his main machine after upgrading to dapper :(
[10:52] <mornfall> does launchpad support escalating bugs to say bugs.kde.org?
[10:52] <mornfall> and, what one needs to do to be able to close the bugs
[11:16] <Riddell> mornfall: you can't automatically send them to bugs.kde.org unfortunatly, but you can mark them to watch an entry on bugs.kde.org
[11:16] <Riddell> mornfall: click on the ubuntu notice, can you close the bug there?
[12:33] <viviersf> Riddell, is dekorator in your kde ?
[12:42] <mornfall> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, *kills launchpad*
[12:42] <mornfall> Sorry, Launchpad took too long to process your request.
[12:52] <Tm_T> =)
[01:07] <Riddell> viviersf: I've never heard of it
[01:08] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: it's a kwin extension iirc
[01:09] <Tm_T> dekorator is kwin style hack iirc
[01:10] <Tm_T> allow youcreate kwin styles easily, but it's uff so ugly code
[01:33] <viviersf> :(
[01:33] <viviersf> means there is no such package
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> viviersf: building it yourself is doable..
[01:35] <viviersf> i know that
[01:35] <viviersf> wouldve been easier
[01:35] <viviersf> thats all
[01:35] <ubijtsa2> da, I know :)
[01:55] <viviersf> more work for cmj
[02:28] <Tonio_> hi everyone.
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have the rights to post on the kubuntu-devel ML....
[02:28] <hunger> Hi there.
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: works, sorry, Sender address problem.....
[02:35] <Riddell> that list was getting so much spam I had to set it to just reject anyone not on it
[02:41] <jpatrick> moins
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't the ML server using sbl filtering ? it is so light and efficient !
[02:46] <Riddell> no idea.  I really really wish mailman would obfuscate the addresses on its listinfo pages though
[02:47] <Tonio_> according to my tests, sbl filtering gives about 99% of spam rejected... and it doesn't use any resources, cause it is based on dns ;)
[02:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: who do I ask for my @ubuntu.com address?
[02:48] <viviersf> lol Tonio_
[02:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it cost money?
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, it is a free service ;)
[02:51] <viviersf> Riddell, superkaramba package on dapper is broken
[02:51] <viviersf> :(
[02:54] <Riddell> viviersf: works for me, what's wrong with it?
[02:55] <viviersf> it doesnt want to install
[02:55] <viviersf> :)
[02:57] <Riddell> is there an error message?
[03:05] <jpatrick> ok what happened to the topic at #kubuntu ?
[03:06] <Riddell> good question, any idea what it was before?
[03:06] <jpatrick> I'm trying to get that from my logs
[03:08] <jpatrick> got it
[03:08] <ubijtsa2> [07:14:22]  *** Red_Herring sets the channel topic to "!".
[03:09] <jpatrick> he's not there anymore
[03:09] <ubijtsa2> but there was loads of experimenting with !blahblah stuff around that time
[03:09] <Mez> Riddell: er
[03:10] <ubijtsa2> apparently the topic was not protected..
[03:10] <Mez> KDE 3.5.1 looking good for backport
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: hmm?
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: oh, rocking!
[03:10] <jpatrick> ubijtsa2: they are for most of the channels... :/
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: now, are backports actually happening with soyuz?
[03:11] <Mez> Riddell, no
[03:11] <Mez> lol
[03:11] <Riddell> ah, foo
[03:11] <ubijtsa2> jpatrick: I gather that goes for #kubuntu as well now? :)
[03:11] <jpatrick> yes :)
[03:11] <Riddell> I don't like protected topics
[03:12] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: have a bot that allows it to be changed
[03:12] <ubijtsa2> arcnet's #linux has that iirc
[03:12] <Riddell> how would that stop abuse?
[03:13] <Riddell> 1 abuse in almost a year is not a bad rate really :)
[03:13] <jpatrick> they mostly abuse ubotu
[03:13] <ubijtsa2> Riddell: 'cause the bot can have an ACL for who can change it :)
[03:14] <ubijtsa2> that ACL can be much more liberal than who gets chanop for example
[03:14] <JRe> is there any repository with the test version of Kopete ?
[03:23] <Riddell> JRe: http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete/
[03:23] <Riddell> use at own risk, not my packages
[03:23] <Riddell> blame problems on Tm_T :)
[03:23] <jpatrick> haha
[03:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: who do I ask for my member thingys? (can't find anything on it anywhere (except the cloak))
[03:28] <Riddell> what thingys?
[03:28] <jpatrick> email, etc
[03:29] <Riddell> you're already in https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers
[03:29] <jpatrick> yes
[03:29] <Riddell> e-mail is probably handled by elmo or znarl, probably an e-mail to rt is the correct thing to do
[03:29] <jpatrick> rt?
[03:30] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:30] <Riddell> automated support ticket thingy
[03:30] <Riddell> but check with other motu first if that is the right thing
[03:32] <jpatrick> ok
[03:37] <sealne> bah todays live cd dosen't even get X working on my machine
[03:38] <JRe> Riddell: which backend you plan to use by default with dapper's Amarok  ?
[03:39] <JRe> Riddell: GStreamer ?
[03:39] <Riddell> xine
[03:39] <JRe> Riddell: did you notice that xine does not support kio-slaves ?
[03:39] <Riddell> yeah
[03:40] <JRe> Riddell: arg it's a nightmare
[03:40] <JRe> Riddell: every time you'll use media:/ or system:/ it's impossible to read
[03:41] <JRe> Riddell: will see with ervin if I can do something about that
[03:41] <Riddell> but it does work with gstreamer?
[03:41] <jpatrick> yes
[03:41] <JRe> Riddell: on #amarok they say that yes
[03:42] <JRe> Riddell: but I don't like gstreamer so much
[03:42] <Riddell> gstreamer isn't an option alas, no 0.10 plugin yet
[03:42] <JRe> k
[03:43] <JRe> Riddell: ok I will see if I can work with ervin and Amarok's developper to fix this before release of 1.4
[03:43] <Riddell> that would be really good if you did
[03:43] <Riddell> kaffeine needs it too :(
[03:43] <JRe> Riddell: yes right
[03:46] <poningru> woo
[03:46] <poningru> Riddell at lugradio live!!!
[03:50] <Riddell> again
[03:51] <jpatrick> Riddell: the amaroK 1.4beta1 announcement mentions a breezy repo but there is none
[03:52] <jpatrick> plus it say "See the Amarok 1.3.8 release page"
[03:52] <Riddell> doh
[03:52] <Riddell> you could never tell I just copied that page from the last amarok release :)
[03:52] <Riddell> fixed
[03:53] <raphink> Riddell: do you know if http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ is obsolete now?
[03:53] <jpatrick> no breezy pkgs....
[03:53] <Riddell> raphink: for new build logs yes
[03:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: sadly not
[04:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks =)
[04:05] <Riddell> hello enfact
[04:06] <enfact> hey riddel
[04:06] <enfact> and everybody
[04:06] <JRe> l
[04:06] <JRe> o
[04:09] <raphink> Riddell: what do you think of klik?
[04:14] <enfact> been working on a lot of gui designs
[04:14] <enfact> http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=enfact
[04:16] <raphink> enfact: nice
[04:16] <Riddell> raphink: nice idea, not convinced the security precautions are good enough yet
[04:16] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: do you think it interesting to package it ?
[04:17] <raphink> ;)
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: so that the protocol can be installed through a package
[04:19] <enfact> hmm
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: I suppose that would be ok
[04:20] <raphink> ok
[04:20] <raphink> I'm not sure there's a debian package yet
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: could you check with mvo first to ask if it's sane to do such a thing
[04:20] <raphink> I think it could be interesting
[04:20] <raphink> for all these people who always want to check the latest version of apps without having to use dev distro
[04:21] <raphink> mvo?
[04:22] <Riddell> raphink: mvo looks after the package management stuff in ubuntu
[04:22] <jpatrick> #ubuntu-devel
[04:22] <Riddell> he'd be more likely to know if there's any reason not to package it
[04:23] <Riddell> sebas: you have 4 students working on KDE?
[04:24] <sebas> Riddell: Claire has two working on high-tech marketing, and two will visit us on friday to talk about a code verification project that they've got to do.
[04:25] <sebas> We'll recommend them KDE, of course.
[04:25] <Tm_T> sebas: don't recomend, FORCE! ] ;=
[04:27] <sebas> FORCE?
[04:27] <jpatrick> --force=all
[04:28] <sebas> Oooh..... :)
[04:28] <sebas> Nevermind.
[04:28] <sebas> 'recommend' is with the help of a 'no grade'
[04:28] <Tm_T> jpatrick: --force=all --kill-resist
[04:28] <jpatrick> Tm_T: rofl....
[04:30] <jpatrick> Tm_T: --force=all --kill-resist --(de)bug=full
[04:30] <jpatrick> ok, I've finished
[04:33] <sebas> Thx. :)
[04:34] <Tm_T> muhah
[04:34] <Tm_T> jpatrick: aye aye sir!
[05:01] <allee> JRe: a 'media2path [-d]  URL  # -d: return path to device instead of path dir/file'  would be handy too ;)
[05:04] <jpatrick> allee: updated kmplayer in REVU
[05:08] <allee> jpatrick: will have a look later
[05:23] <raphink> Riddell: I talked with mvo and with a klik dev
[05:24] <raphink> Riddell: I'll add klik to the Kubuntu meeting agenda and I'll try to get the dev to the meeting so they can talk about it more :)
[05:25] <Riddell> raphink: what did mvo say?
[05:25] <raphink> Riddell: mvo is interested by the concept though, and wants to keep informed :)
[05:25] <raphink> the main point for me will be to try to get upstream release a proper tarball with the scripts
[05:25] <raphink> since dapper uses kernel 2.6.15 that has FUSE activated by default
[05:26] <raphink> there is no trick required in /etc/fstab to get klik work on dapper
[05:26] <raphink> so it's nicer
[05:26] <Riddell> hmm, interesting
[05:26] <raphink> so there's just a bunch of scripts and .desktop and .protocol to install in the right places
[05:27] <raphink> upstream say they have to modify the scripts to use FUSE though
[05:27] <raphink> and that was done in KANOTIX
[05:27] <raphink> that uses klik by default
[05:27] <Riddell> klik is a great idea, I'm just worried about the security issues
[05:28] <raphink> mhm
[05:28] <raphink> Riddell: well if you think about it, see how breezy users behave right now
[05:28] <raphink> they use backports all the time, or unofficial packages found on KDE-Apps
[05:28] <raphink> or even share tricks on how to install stuff the most horrible way possible
[05:29] <raphink> klik would still be much better than most of these options imo
[05:29] <raphink> furthermore, I think quite a lot of Kubuntu users have begun to use it
[05:29] <raphink> or even Ubuntu users
[05:29] <raphink> since it works on gnome, too
[05:30] <raphink> and have set these dirty /etc/fstab stuff
[05:30] <raphink> to have it work properly
[05:30] <Riddell> yep
[05:30] <raphink> I think providing it officially as a system-wide deb install would be cleaner than having people use it unofficially
[05:30] <raphink> at least we'll know how it's installed ;)
[05:31] <Riddell> backports are fine since that goes through various sane people, but stuff like easykubuntu could do anything to your system
[05:31] <raphink> yes
[05:32] <raphink> I think it is a fact that users want a stable system while being able to test new features all the time
[05:32] <raphink> and having them use chroots is not the best idea ;)
[05:38] <Mez> Riddell, it goes through various sane people? It goes through me and elmo usually
[05:38] <Mez> you're calling me and elmo sane?
[05:39] <Mez> raphink: FYI: new simias/libflaim/log4net packages uploaded to revu
[05:39] <Mez> soon to be followed by ifolder once I have the B-D's sorted
[05:39] <raphink> Mez: lol
[05:39] <Riddell> Mez: well it goes through whoever packaged it in the first place and the MOTU reviewers too
[05:39] <enfact> having an official easyubuntu would be great
[05:40] <enfact> "official"
[05:40] <Mez> Riddell, ah ...
[05:40] <Mez> lol
[05:40] <Mez> I thought you were calling me sane for a moment
[05:40] <Riddell> enfact: presumably that would just be a kubuntu-not-really-free meta-package that people could install
[05:41] <Riddell> Mez: well you can't tamper with the package so you don't figure in the equation :)
[05:41] <Mez> Riddell, I can :D if it's in universe
[05:42] <Riddell> yep, and first time we spot you doing anything malitious we kick you out
[05:45] <raphink> hehe
[05:45] <Riddell> hello tinin
[05:46] <tinin> hello
[05:46] <tinin> new here
[05:46] <Riddell> tinin: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[05:46] <tinin> some day
[05:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: Am I one? :)
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: certainly are
[05:46] <jpatrick> :o
[05:46] <jpatrick> I'm going to TechBoard
[05:47] <tinin> i only was trying to compile amarok
[05:47] <tinin> and i cant't , so i'll never be developer
[05:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: is there someone I can find expresso?
[05:48] <tinin> so here will i be able to talk to Mark Shuttelworth?
[05:48] <jpatrick> if he's around
[05:48] <tinin> XD
[05:49] <tinin> i'll blame on him personally!
[05:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: not yet, it doesn't do anything useful yet, I'll let you know as soon as it does :)
[05:49] <Riddell> tinin: he's touring asia at the moment and not on IRC much
[05:50] <jpatrick> okay then
[05:50] <tinin> thanx, i'm going to sleep a spanish siesta!
[05:51] <jpatrick> Riddell: some people upload packages universe, when they're not MOTU's - why is that so?
[05:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: how are you defining MOTU?
[05:51] <Riddell> only members of the ubuntu-dev team can upload
[05:51] <jpatrick> someone that can upload to universe / multiverse
[05:52] <Riddell> it's also possible for a MOTU to upload a package with someone else's name in the changelog though
[05:52] <jpatrick> i've seen freeflying upload by his name
[05:52] <Riddell> nah, that'll be me or someone else uploading with his name in the changelog
[05:52] <jpatrick> and some others (seth, ...)
[05:53] <jpatrick> ah right
[05:53] <Riddell> debuild<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the address to sign with
[05:53] <Riddell> I tend not to do that though since then the output from uploads often goes to /dev/null
[05:58] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base better use shlibs:Depends  # current
[05:58] <jpatrick> good point
[05:58] <jpatrick> anything else? :)
[05:58] <allee> '|' stuff is Koos hackish way to the install in sid and sarge without source change
[05:59] <allee> jpatrick: did you search for -i copyright.  I doubt Koos is only copyright holder
[06:00] <allee> jpatrick: yeah and the gstreamer-0.8 dependency I mention in my e-mail is still there. Hmmm Riddel isn't either gst 0.10 required for dapper or even Xine
[06:00] <jpatrick> allee: FBFS with gst10
[06:01] <jpatrick> it tried pbuilding it with it
[06:01] <allee> jpatrick: I'm not surpriced otherwise pkg name would not have changed like s/0.8/0.10/ :)
[06:04] <jpatrick> allee: he's the only one with the copyright
[06:04] <allee> Depends: kmplayer-app (= ${Source-Version}).  Docu should only suggest the app and remove =  sourceversion is
[06:06] <jpatrick> oppss, forgot that
[06:07] <allee> jpatrick: never trust upstream ;)   src/pref.*: * Copyright (C) 2003 Joonas Koivunen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <jpatrick> aha!
[06:09] <jpatrick> allee: maybe the patch should make it use xine by default?
[06:10] <allee> jpatrick: maybe if gstreamer 0.8 is a no-no for dapper then yes.  Let wait for 'last work' from Riddell :)
[06:10] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:11] <Riddell> no gstreamer 0.8 in main, universe is fine
[06:11] <jpatrick> kmplayer => universe
[06:12] <allee> Riddell: prefered default engine  xine or gst 0.8 ?
[06:12] <allee> + of for kmplayer
[06:17] <Riddell> allee: whichever works better :)
[06:17] <allee> jpatrick: I would like to suggest to add Koos at the top of debian/copyright.
[06:18] <allee> Riddell: heh, maybe jpatrick know what's 'better' ;)
[06:19] <jpatrick> allee: "This package was debianized by..."
[06:19] <allee> jpatrick: Koos and you worked on packaging
[06:19] <allee> jpatrick: yes.  See digikam/copyright for an example ;)
[06:20] <Tm_T> hmm, any of you know how I get fully functional libtunepimp in dapper ?
[06:20] <allee> jpatrick: afair Koos changelog entries were very short (understatement).  But I usually keep them too.  After all the pkging as a history
[06:21] <jpatrick> allee: yes sir
[06:22] <allee> jpatrick: I only suggested it! :)
[06:24] <jpatrick> should I change the maintainer line?
[06:24] <allee> jpatrick: no .la for debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkdeinit_kmplayer.so in kmplayer.install
[06:25] <jpatrick> okay....
[06:25] <allee> jpatrick:  does it work without .la?   I'm not sure if this is history now that kde fixed loading
[06:27] <jpatrick> there is a .la here
[06:28] <allee> kmplayer.install didn't list it.  Which pkg does .la own?
[06:28] <jpatrick> none, I think I have to add it
[06:29] <allee> jpatrick: so it works without?  then forget it
[06:29] <jpatrick> ok
[06:30] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base:  fix long description
[06:30] <jpatrick> done
[06:30] <allee> jpatrick: in general.  For info in Long descriptions  would not hurt
[06:33] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer meta pkg should not have versioned depends (and remove shlibs:Depends there)
[06:34] <allee> jpatrick: you like the kmplayer/kmplayer-app split?
[06:34] <allee> bbl
[06:34] <jpatrick> I merged the two
[06:46] <allee> jpatrick: ah, kmplayer long description and depends confused me :)
[06:51] <jpatrick> allee: uploading......
[06:51] <allee> jpatrick: wait ... to late ;)
[06:51] <jpatrick> opps
[06:52] <allee> jpatrick: copyright should be at least:  Copyright (C) 2002,2003,2004,2005.2006 by Koos Vriezen <koos ! vriezen ? xs4all ! nl>
[06:53] <allee> and add 'License:'  between the copright and the GPL license
[06:54] <allee> I would also mention in a sentence that it's GPL v2 only  (at least in copyright)  Maybe source code used v2only and v2+ mix.  Please check
[06:57] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1784 <- what I've done so far
[06:58] <jpatrick> brb
[06:59] <allee> jpatrick: 'k.  I'll have a look later.  User with wlan problems first ...
[07:41] <hunger> Ahhh.... fonts are nice again. Thanks for fixing this.
[07:43] <Riddell> :)  I hope the CKJ dudes can find a solution that doesn't break fonts for everyone else
[07:43] <Riddell> Huahua: do you have any notes from how you remastered the dapper CD?
[08:20] <jjesse> afternoon
[08:24] <jpatrick> evening jjesse
[08:25] <jjesse> nothing like a 4 hour meeting to wreck productivity at work :(
[08:25] <Riddell> don't worry, tech board meeting in half an hour to keep you going :)
[08:25] <jjesse> wahoo :)
[08:25] <jjesse> Riddell: do you want a copy of the 2nd draft of the kubuntu when I'm done with it?
[08:27] <Riddell> the kubuntu what?
[08:27] <Riddell> oh, chapter
[08:27] <jjesse> chapter of the book sorry
[08:27] <Riddell> sure
[08:27] <jjesse> typing problems today i guess
[08:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1786 ready
[08:29] <Riddell> hmm, this can be used as deciding factor of whether or not I give jpatrick my vote at tech board :)
[08:29] <jjesse> i vote against him :P
[08:29] <jjesse> just kidding of course
[08:29] <jpatrick> :)
[08:48] <Riddell> Huahua: about?  tech board in 15 mins
[08:51] <Riddell> jpatrick: where did you get the description of styleclock from in debian/control?
[08:51] <jpatrick> from it's kde-apps.org page
[08:52] <Riddell> fair enough then
[08:54] <Huahua> Good evening, Riddell.  The ring waked me.
[08:54] <Sime> Version 0.6.0 of Guidance is now in the website: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[08:54] <Riddell> Sime: you rock!
[08:55] <Sime> there are already some known bugs. But it is in principle feature complete.
[08:55] <Sime> We (I and sebas) intend to do regular and frequent bug fix releases.
[08:56] <Riddell> Huahua: they'll do the new packagers first which often takes a while
[08:56] <Sime> leading up to the dapper release.
[08:56] <Huahua> great
[08:57] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-base should only Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}.  the toehr depends are a hack
[08:57] <jpatrick> ok
[08:58] <allee> jpatrick: kmplayer-doc still has Depends: kmplayer-app (= ${Source-Version}).  remove it
[08:59] <jpatrick> added to todo
[09:00] <allee> jpatrick: Copyright (C) 2002,2003,2004,2005.2006 by Koos Vriezen <koos ! vriezen ? xs4all ! nl>
[09:00] <allee> jpatrick: not only 2005
[09:00] <jpatrick> I did 2002 - 2006
[09:01] <Riddell> "The licenses that apply might be from xicons.com or from Apple Computers Inc.
[09:01] <allee> oh, revu id?  Maybe I look at an old one, but copyright and changelog is definitly new.
[09:01] <Riddell> "
[09:01] <Riddell> that's never going to get past NEW
[09:01] <jpatrick> oh dear...
[09:01] <Sime> Riddell: (some) screenshots are also updated too on the site.
[09:02] <jpatrick> allee: copy here
[09:02] <Riddell> Sime: I'll package it up after the tech board meeting
[09:02] <allee> I rever to .diff in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1784
[09:02] <Sime> Riddell: will you be doing the packaging?
[09:03] <Riddell> Sime: would be nice to get it done sooner rather than later, heard from Fathi lately?
[09:03] <Sime> Riddell: I haven't heard anything from Fathi.
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: It is important you/Fathi read the README file in 0.6.0.
[09:04] <Riddell> ok
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: concerning displayconfig-hwprobe.py.
[09:04] <Sime> Riddell: our little tool that checks hardware at boot time.
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: I've been using and testing it here. and it is crude but effective. ;)
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: and it is *not* installed by the setup.py.
[09:05] <Sime> Riddell: you'll have to do that in the debian/Rules (??)
[09:06] <Riddell> ok
[09:06] <Riddell> what does it do?
[09:07] <Sime> run dpkg-reconfigure if the gfx hardware has been changed.
[09:09] <Riddell> how does it know if the hardware has been changed?
[09:13] <Sime> by scanning the PCI bus.
[09:14] <Riddell> where does it store the result?
[09:15] <Sime> currently it dumps the result in /var/guidance-gfxhardware-snapshot, but is only becaues I don't know of a better place.
[09:15] <Sime> ideas?
[09:15] <ubijtsa> maybe /var/lib somewhere ? :
[09:15] <ubijtsa> )
[09:15] <jpatrick> Tonio_: just in time :)
[09:15] <Riddell> yes, probably /var/lib/guidance/guidance-gfxhardware-snapshot
[09:16] <ubijtsa> evening folks
[09:16] <Tonio_> yep, just, just, just
[09:16] <Sime> ok, fixed. Can I count on the dir /var/lib/guidance already existing?
[09:17] <Riddell> note in README that packagers should make sure it does
[09:17] <Sime> ok
[09:39] <allee> Tonio_: congratulation!
[09:39] <Tonio_> hehe nice !
[09:40] <jjesse> wow sure is tough to get membership there :)(
[09:46] <jjesse> question can't the KubuntuPackagingGuide be rolled into the PackagingGuide that the doc team is working on?
[09:47] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, it should be
[09:47] <jjesse> hmmm ok
[10:10] <jjesse> its worse then the spanish inquisition for jpatrick
[10:10] <jjesse> :)
[10:12] <jpatrick> :P
[10:22] <jpatrick> phew, that took some time :)
[10:22] <Riddell> my word yes
[10:22] <Riddell> well done jpatrick
[10:22] <Riddell> hello jshadow
[10:23] <jpatrick> thanks to you Riddell and everyone else
[10:24] <Riddell> but do be careful jpatrick, e.g. the styleclock package would get you stern words as it is with fuzzy copyright files
[10:24] <jpatrick> I don't plan to work on that until upstream clarifies
[10:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: I suspect he may not be able to otherwise he'd have already clarified it, I would just remove it from the .orig, it's just 1 theme of a few
[10:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: have you read debian-policy by the way?
[10:25] <jpatrick> I've looked though before many times
[10:25] <jpatrick> lintian problem checking
[10:25] <Riddell> groovy
[10:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you?
[10:26] <Riddell> I should probably read it myself again sometime
[10:27] <jshadow> hello
[10:27] <jpatrick> wow, member one day, dev the other
[10:28] <Riddell> watch out core-dev!
[10:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: should I note it's removal in changelog?
[10:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes
[10:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I haven't read the full debian policy, but partialy, I did.
[10:29] <Tonio_> I need to read it entirely in the next days, I'll have to now :)
[10:30] <jpatrick> Riddell: that'll take some time :)
[10:31] <allee> fwiw don't (re)read new-maintainers-guide when you find a reference, KubuntuPackagingGuide guide is better :)
[10:32] <jpatrick> allee: new maintainers guide is old (for example the debian/watch part)
[10:34] <allee> about sponsored REVU comments, sounds great.  Bye e-mail or pastebin URL here?
[10:35] <Riddell> Huahua: ping
[10:39] <jpatrick> allee: email is how raphink did it
[10:39] <allee> 'k
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell, I didn't said you "thanks"
[10:44] <Tonio_> I have to go (girlfriend at home for all the week ^^)
[10:44] <Tonio_> good night all
[10:45] <jjesse> night Tm_T
[10:45] <Riddell> night Tonio_, well done
[10:45] <jjesse> doh
[10:45] <jjesse> night Tonio_
[10:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: technically speaking I can upload now?
[10:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: once you've been added to the ubuntu-dev group I be
[10:53] <Riddell> I believe so
[10:53] <Riddell> if your gpg key is in the system
[10:54] <mornfall> \o/ hooray for my apparent inability to crash adept (after a bunch of fixes since alpha2)
[10:54] <Riddell> woo :)
[10:55] <mornfall> i did about dozen deinstalls, at least 2 updates, undo/redo, filtering, download in a single session and it terminated correctly
[10:55] <jpatrick> great, I'm off to bed now, been a very busy day :)
[10:55] <mornfall> s/deinst/(de)inst/
[10:55] <mornfall> jpatrick: enjoy :)
[10:55] <jpatrick> mornfall: thanks :)
[11:00] <allee> Anyone care to review codeine? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1544
[11:08] <allee> oh, at least codeine tarball needs fix ...
[11:14] <mornfall> well, there's a possible crash when a package visited by the browser disappears in an update
[11:14] <mornfall> but i will want to fix that anyway :)
[11:30] <ubijtsa> will Psi be updated to 0.10 in Dapper?
[11:49] <mornfall> i hate power outages in middle of debugging session
[11:50] <mornfall> i can't even recall what i was doing
[11:50] <mornfall> apart from the fact my emacs disappeared
[11:50] <mornfall> and ligt went out for a bit
[11:52] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaah
[11:53] <mornfall> not again :(
[11:53] <mornfall> lights blinking
[11:53] <mornfall> i hate it


[02:01] <roaksoax> bigjools: howdy!! so wanted to let you lnow that im on holidays and will take care of the ipmi and fence_cdu next week
[02:05] <bigjools> roaksoax: hi
[02:05] <bigjools> are you on holiday this week?
[02:05] <roaksoax> yep
[02:05] <bigjools> ah ok
[02:05] <bigjools> what is the status of the apparmor change?
[02:05] <bigjools> and yui/raphael for precise
[02:06] <roaksoax> bigjools:  still ib SRU queue
[02:06] <bigjools> and bug 1081660 :)
[02:06] <bigjools> did any of you get anywhere with the rejected django sru?
[02:06] <roaksoax> bigjools: the queue has veen processed slowly and django wad rejected so we need to take a dofferent approach
[02:07] <roaksoax> but will take care of aall that next week
[02:07] <bigjools> ok cheers
[02:07] <bigjools> flacoste: --^
[02:08] <roaksoax> i will dedocate most of next week for maas so whatever you need me tontake care of just assign it to me
[02:09]  * bigjools assigns the world to roaksoax
[12:41] <jtv> Anyone up for a review?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/bug-1086239/+merge/139172
[12:51] <Aram> rbasak: is there anything I can do to help you fix that bug? I'm writing the go-juju maas provider and it's critical I have this working.
[12:51] <Aram> bug 1069570 that is
[12:52] <rbasak> Aram: looking
[12:53] <rbasak> Aram: can you reliably reproduce it from scratch, starting from a node that is not enlisted to maas at all?
[12:54] <Aram> rbasak: yes, 100% reproductible.
[12:54] <rbasak> Aram: if so, then I'd like to see a tcpdump of all dhcp traffic taken on the dhcp server, together with the dhcp log and timings of when enlistment/commissioning/deployment took place
[12:55] <rbasak> Aram: something like "sudo tcpdump -nieth0 -w/tmp/dump.pcap -s0 arp or icmp or port 67 or port 68" please
[12:55] <Aram> ok.
[12:55] <rbasak> Aram: we're really not sure what is going on, but hopefully that will make the situation clearer. Assuming that you have the same bug.
[12:55] <Aram> seems to be the same thing.
[12:56] <rbasak> (also I'd like all ICMP traffic as well as DHCP traffic - that's already included in the command I just pasted)


[00:00] <Marhabah> will have to restart this machine soon
[00:01] <OvenWerks> ok. I am looking at the same thing here.
[00:01] <Marhabah> eth0 and wlan0?
[00:01] <OvenWerks> Just printing an ISO to a USB stick
[00:02] <Marhabah> I did that yesterday...
[00:02] <OvenWerks> Ya, those should be the two IFs
[00:02] <Marhabah> OvenWerks.....
[00:02] <Marhabah> can we share email address?
[00:03] <OvenWerks> You can<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:33] <erik_EE> Can't wait for the 17-th :)
[01:34] <erik_EE> Darn, it is 17.10.13 here in Hastings, North Island of New Zealand but nothing to download so far :(
[01:34] <erik_EE> it's even two and half hours past the lunch hehe.
[01:38] <Patero-ng> sony vegas is a 600$ video editing software it uses gpu acceleration
[01:52] <erik_EE> That's a steep prize. Is itt available for linux?
[02:32] <Patero-ng> don't know
[05:39] <erik_EE> So party people! Is it going to be released in the middle of the night in Europe or in the morning. I'm only asking because in New Zealand it's soon to be 18-th october already :)
[13:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Congratulations to the team on being the first Ubuntu 13.10 release!
[13:37] <tabu_> hello, I can't mount my usb hdd " Cannot enable port 1.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?" I had this problem and disabling ehci-hcd worked previously, but not anymore....
[13:37] <tabu_> there are usb and usb2 ports in my laptop
[13:43] <tabu_> If I plug the hdd to the usb2 port disabling ehci-hcd works, but then my external usb audio interface won't
[13:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Change the topic for 13.10's release already!! :-)
[13:53] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, unfortunately, we have to wait for somebody to change it for us.......
[13:53] <SonikkuAmerica> smartboyhw: Dang.
[13:54] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, it's not urgency anyway
[13:55] <SonikkuAmerica> There's probably no time like the present to go back to Studio, 12.10 was awesome, 13.04 was a mishmash, anj 13.10 apparently sorted most of the mess oit.
[13:55] <SonikkuAmerica> *and *put
[13:55] <SonikkuAmerica> s/put/out/
[13:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Also, good announcement, but did you see your news post says to please "d0wnload the image"?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, damn it;P My fault
[13:57] <SonikkuAmerica> lol np :-)
[13:58]  * SonikkuAmerica loads the torrent into uTorrent for Android, to deploy it later
[14:11] <cub> d0wnload the 1337 iso
[14:55] <ThatGuy> Hi, I'm trying to burn a .iso to my DVD but I cant find the 'Write to disc' option in the right click menu
[17:46] <Morrog> congratulations on the 13.10 release
[17:48] <Morrog> which version of ardour is included in this release? 3.5 is the latest available
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> I see smartboyhw fixed his announcement :)
[18:18] <Morrog> SonikkuAmerica, do you know which version of ardour is included in 13.10?
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Morrog: Version 3.
[18:19] <Morrog> yes, i know that. but is that the latest 3.5 then?
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> !info ardour
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> That isn't the Ubuntu Studio packaged version
[18:23] <Morrog> that's the 13.04 version
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> !info ardour saucy
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Assume it
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> 's 3.5
[18:26] <Morrog> it would be informative if stuff like this would be included in the release statement :)
[18:26] <Morrog> thanks for trying to find out, SonikkuAmerica. it's much appreciated
[18:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Morrog: I'd wait for zequence or smartboyhw to be active
[18:27] <SonikkuAmerica> if you want to know
[18:28] <Morrog> alright, thank you
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Or holstein, he might know too
[18:30] <cub> What did I miss? :)
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> cub: Not much...  I run 12.04 on my main laptop, 13.10 on my travel laptop
[18:32] <Morrog> is it recommended to reinstall, or do an upgrade from 13.04 (i'm currently on xubuntu)
[18:32] <cub> Ardour3 in 13.10 is 3.4
[18:33] <Morrog> thanks cub :)
[18:33] <cub> I've been using this pc for testing so I'velost count on how many reinstallations of 13.10 I've done the last weeks.
[18:35] <Morrog> that many huh?
[18:35] <cub> yeah, the beta testing and rc testing 32 and 64 bit makes for many reinstallations
[18:36] <cub> Morrog, from Xubuntu 13.04, in theory you could upgrade to xubuntu 13.10 and then add the ubuntu studio installers.
[18:36] <cub> But IMHO I would do a reinstallation.
[18:37] <Morrog> it's always cleaner of course to reinstall
[18:39] <cub> Is it mostly audio work you'll planning for with ubuntu studio, Morrog ?
[18:39] <Morrog> yes sir :) possible some home recording coming up in the future
[18:40] <Morrog> and i'm going for xfce since the demise of gnome2 (and no real alternative)
[18:40] <cub> you could just add the ubuntu studio parts you want to xubuntu?
[18:41] <Morrog> i'll probably try that
[18:41] <Morrog> i come from SolusOS, but that got outdated. and i had to install something, so 13.04 was a good choice, even though i knew 13.10 was only a few weeks away
[18:41] <cub> the ubuntustudio-installer is good for just that
[18:42] <cub> SolusOS, never heard of it. :)
[18:42] <Morrog> was a debian based distro
[18:43] <Morrog> i'm still getting used to xfce though. i had been using gnome 2 for 5 years. habits don't change quickly
[18:46] <Morrog> cub, how do you backup your data between upgrades?
[18:47] <cub> on this one I never save anything locally I can't just delete. Dropbox and ubuntu one for everything. For my main laptop I use rsync to an external usb drive
[18:48] <cub> I have a separate partition for /home so usually it's left alone while reinstalling, but you never know. Once in a while I screw something up so always offline backups
[18:50] <Morrog> sounds like what i have going here
[18:52] <cub> A colleague showed me an application that was very good for backups, but now I can't recall which one it was
[18:52] <Morrog> deja dup?
[18:53] <cub> yes! haha
[19:02] <Morrog> i should probably learn which important xfce files to backup, before going to 13.10
[19:27] <holstein> Morrog: i prefer a few things that tend to facilitate a fresh install over an upgrade.. i like to run the distro live, and see how the hardware support is for my particular hardware case
[19:27] <holstein> during that live setup, i see whatever versions of whatever are in the repos and make plans for adding PPA's or custom packages
[19:28] <holstein> i just get the prebuilt for the latest from ardour directly these days
[19:28] <Morrog> nice :)
[20:10] <Morrog> have a good evening all!
[20:12] <mario__> Hi Guys
[20:13] <mario__> now IIm lost how to change the sund to HDMI instad using monitoo sears
[20:14] <mario__> monitor speakers
[20:20] <holstein> mario__: hdmi can be challening.. or not work at all
[20:20] <holstein> mario__: what would i do? try using pavucontrol ..get a known good audio file playing in a player you know really well
[20:21] <mario__> Thanks
[20:21] <holstein> and refer to #ubuntu or the main ubuntu documentation or help forums .. or xubuntu
[20:21] <mario__> where is that pavu?
[20:21] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[20:21] <holstein> you should be able to alt+f2 start it.. or find "pulse audio volume control" in the menu
[20:22] <holstein> or launch it from a terminal
[20:23] <mario__> I tried that before...
[20:23] <mario__> and it says outport HDMI
[20:23] <mario__> but isnt working my sound system
[20:23] <holstein> mario__: you tried what?
[20:24] <mario__> to check setting....
[20:24] <holstein> mario__: what setting? in what way? where? and with what?
[20:24] <mario__> to check setting....
[20:24] <holstein> mario__: where?
[20:25] <mario__> PavuControl
[20:25] <holstein> mario__: you can look for and apply all upgrades
[20:25] <mario__> ok....ill do thast...Thank you...Gracias....Merci
[20:25] <holstein> in a terminal.. 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and try rebooting after getting potentially a kernel that may be able to provide support
[20:26] <holstein> unfortunately, the entity in charge of properly supporting you may not be available for providing you linux support.. or allow the alsa team or any linux OS's to provide you support in linux for the HDMI device
[20:26] <mario__> I  just installed the 13.10 Ubuntu Studio
[20:26] <holstein> what would i do? look for and apply  upgrades and reboot
[20:26] <mario__> ok...
[20:27] <holstein> i would then run "aplay -l" and see that the device is listed, then i sould search "ubuntu device name"
[20:27] <holstein> not "ubuntustudio".. *ubuntu*.. since the issue is not related to ubuntustudio specifically
[20:27] <holstein> you can also search generically "linux device name" and see if anyone reports to have gotten it working anywhere
[20:28] <holstein> also, i might just try it with the older version live.. ubuntu 12.04 for example, and see if it works there.. or, just use an analog cable to transmit the audio
[20:28] <holstein> digital audio via hdmi is not a deal breaker for me.. the analog cable quality is fine
[20:28] <mario__> i9t work there....and former relaeses also...
[20:29] <mario__> not on this new one 13.10
[20:29] <holstein> mario__: then, you might want to enjoy the release where the support is working for you
[20:29] <holstein> mario__: you can look for and follow up on or create a bug for it
[20:29] <mario__> I guess Iĺl do that...
[20:29] <mario__> BTW...
[20:29] <holstein> i would just run the 12.04 version.. since its LTS
[20:30] <mario__> where u at Holstein?
[20:30] <holstein> mario__: AT?
[20:30] <mario__> Miami, Fl USA
[20:30] <mario__> you?
[20:30] <holstein> im in asheville NC
[20:30] <mario__> ok...
[20:30] <holstein> you know Larry Lapin?
[20:30] <holstein> from the u of miami?
[20:31] <mario__> nope...
[20:31] <mario__> Im from other country.....
[20:31] <holstein> he's not
[20:31] <mario__> not too long ago I came to here
[20:31] <holstein> he's from where i though you implied you were
[20:33] <mario__> have to reboot this computer
[20:34] <mario__> Thanks for your help
[21:32] <diba> hi
[21:33] <diba> running post-installation trigger update-notifier-common


[17:29] <dzho> jrwren: huh
[17:30] <dzho> interesting to see
[19:32] <cmaloney> BTW: Jorge Castro will be presenting about immutable Linux distributions tonight at MUG
[19:32] <cmaloney> 6:30pm
[19:32] <cmaloney> https://www.mug.org/ has the Zoom link
[19:41] <greg-g> cmaloney: sweet
[19:45] <wolfger> immutable?
[19:56] <cmaloney> yep
[19:56] <cmaloney> come find out wjat that means
[22:11] <jrwren> kinda cool: https://tim.siosm.fr/blog/2023/12/19/ssh-over-unix-socket/


[07:55] <sarah__> mpontillo, here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/24025389/
[08:01] <sarah__> and I couldnt paste the region.log in the pastebin
[08:14] <sarah__> https://files.fm/u/sje8vraz#_
[08:14] <sarah__> that's the regiond file
[20:53] <mpontillo> sarah__: which version(s) of Ubuntu are you running? If you are on 14.04, the supported MAAS release is 1.9.x. If you are on 16.04, the supported MAAS release is 2.x. the reason I ask is, in your regiond.log I see references to API 2.0. while I think that should work fine, it's a hint that there might be an unsupported combination of versions
[20:54] <mpontillo> I would not recommend running MAAS on a non-LTS Ubuntu release.
[20:54] <sarah__> 14.04
[20:56] <sarah__> and its using the API 1.0
[21:05] <mpontillo> sarah__: can you integrity check your MAAS install? such as:
[21:06] <mpontillo> sudo apt-get install -yu debsums
[21:06] <mpontillo> debsums -s $(dpkg --get-selections | grep maas | awk '{print $1}')
[21:15] <mpontillo> sarah__: also I would really like to know what your $LANG (or any other environment variable that might affect character encoding) is set to; it might be that the API description is being truncated for some encoding-specific reason


[17:56] <Juanrayo> Greetings, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes. I just updated system and, to be honest, having to search my apps and some other things, I completely hate and can't see getting used to so
[17:56] <Juanrayo> Any way to go back to my previous version or any chance or idea on how to change how unity currently works?
[17:57] <Juanrayo> (I am one of those "totally ignorant of the technical details but loves ubuntu" folks btw)
[23:51] <acornejo> hi everyone. I have a quick AppIndicator question, is this the right place for it?


[02:10] <daeo> holass, solo quiero saber si tambien ayudan en idioma español
[09:33] <bencrisford> morning
[13:56] <mhall119> morning
[13:58] <highvoltage> morning mhall119
[14:01] <mhall119> I'm still trying to find some documentation on plymouth theming
[14:01] <mhall119> I can just replace the images in the Ubuntu theme, and use progress dots
[14:01] <mhall119> but I'd really like to learn about the other engines
[14:02] <mhall119> the script for the ubuntu theme is so much larger than the old USplash
[15:19] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep, it is indeed
[18:54] <bencrisford> highvoltage: the meetings in 1 hour yeah?  i get my time zones muddled up
[18:55] <alkisg> bencrisford: in 5'
[18:55] <bencrisford> alkisg: minutes :S??
[18:55] <alkisg> :)
[18:57] <bencrisford> alkisg: i only make it 6pm UTC
[18:58] <bencrisford> according to date -u
[18:58] <bencrisford> ben@Aurelia:~$ date -u
[18:58] <bencrisford> Wed Apr 14 17:58:04 UTC 2010
[18:58] <alkisg> Yes, why, did the meeting time change?
[18:58] <alkisg> Wasn't it always at 6?
[18:58] <bencrisford> hmm
[18:58] <bencrisford> i think it was when i was about in november yeah
[18:59] <alkisg> Erm, sorry, maybe I got comfused with the daylight savings etc
[18:59] <bencrisford> thats why i was worried, stupid daylight savings :P
[18:59] <alkisg> (i'm looking at Greece time always, not the utc time, so it might have been 7 :))
[18:59] <bencrisford> but then i thought of date -u
[18:59] <bencrisford> i think it was 6 UTC though
[18:59] <bencrisford> maybe not
[19:00] <alkisg> Right, 19:00 UTC
[19:00] <alkisg> So in 1 hour
[19:01] <bencrisford> yeah :)
[19:02] <bencrisford> not really time for a snooze
[19:02] <bencrisford> time for a walk, and time for a coffee
[19:58] <highvoltage> Edubuntu Meeting starting in 2 minutes
[20:02] <bencrisford> :)
[20:02] <bencrisford> rockstar: you gonna make it to the meeting
[20:02] <bencrisford> starts about now on #ubuntu-meeting
[20:02] <alkisg> and also stgraber, sbalneav, nixternal... ^^^
[21:06]  * bencrisford is downloading qimo :)
[21:07] <mhall119> the 1.0 is based on Ubuntu 8.10
[21:08] <bencrisford> cool
[21:08] <vmlintu> I was just reading through the meeting discussions and noticed some wishlist stuff. Did it get uploaded to wiki yet or was that about to come?
[21:09] <bencrisford> mhall119: im gonna install it on my old laptop (which i like to call my "research" machine), which is where i experiment with different distros and have a hack around and stuff
[21:09] <mhall119> there's an alpha of 2.0 on bittorrent
[21:09] <mhall119> bencrisford: you'll need at least 192MB of memory
[21:09] <mhall119> it's LiveCD only
[21:09] <bencrisford> oh
[21:09] <bencrisford> that suits me
[21:10] <bencrisford> i have 256mb
[21:10] <bencrisford> and i only install antix yesterday
[21:10] <bencrisford> havent had a chance to play about on it yet
[21:10] <bencrisford> i dont bother with dual boot
[21:10] <bencrisford> not sure it could even cope with it, poor old thing
[21:13] <bencrisford> mhall119: the iso is dl'ing pretty fast for me
[21:13] <mhall119> using a mirror or BT?
[21:13] <bencrisford> mirror
[21:13] <bencrisford> UK
[21:13] <mhall119> which one?
[21:13] <mhall119> cool
[21:14] <bencrisford> mhall119: up to 750 kb/s
[21:14] <mhall119> good
[21:15] <mhall119> I don't test my mirrors regularly, every once in a while I get an email from a user letting me know one has gone down
[21:16] <bencrisford> mhall119: well the UK one is faster than most you get these days
[21:16] <mhall119> not surprised
[21:17] <mhall119> I finally got a good USA mirror
[21:17] <mhall119> that's what gets most of the traffic
[21:18] <bencrisford> mhall119: should i be downloading version 2 then?
[21:18] <bencrisford> im getting v1.0
[21:19] <bencrisford> is 2 the one that needs testing?
[21:20] <mhall119> yes
[21:20] <mhall119> version 1 will be end-of-life just as quickly as I can make it
[21:21] <mhall119> http://growingupfree.org/qimo-2.0-desktop-alpha2.iso.torrent
[21:21] <bencrisford> mhall119: ill check out 2 later, im gonna try 1 first though cos its nearly complete
[21:21] <mhall119> 1 is stable and works, if you have kids use that
[21:22] <mhall119> 2 is coming along, I am working on beta1 iso
[21:22] <mhall119> the alpha on BT doesn't have the new artwork
[21:22] <bencrisford> haha, im still in school kids can wait :P
[21:23] <bencrisford> but i do have little cousins who are sometimes here
[21:23] <bencrisford> they love gcompris and stuff
[21:24] <mhall119> yeah, gcompris is great
[21:24] <mhall119> it's great to have on a LiveCD for people who only have kids over infrequently
[21:25] <bencrisford> yeah
[21:25] <bencrisford> i have it installed in my ubuntu because i have all the edu packages
[21:26] <bencrisford> download finished
[21:26] <bencrisford> time to burn it :)
[21:26] <bencrisford> highvoltage: those notes were quick
[21:28] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I made them during the meeting :)
[21:29] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok cool
[21:29] <highvoltage> vmlintu: it's not on the wiki yet, but it will be in about a week or so
[21:29] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i dont mean to be pedantic, but grantbow appears twice at the list of attendees :P
[21:29] <bencrisford> or even three times
[21:30] <highvoltage> bencrisford: heh, oops, I should perhaps review it before posting, which I usually do but didn't tonight
[21:30] <vmlintu> highvoltage: ok.. there was some months ago talk about ldap integration, is that on your list?
[21:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: well its better to make minor errors like that than make bigger slip ups like i tend to do :)
[21:32] <bencrisford> and im not sure my qcad menu bug was worthy of a mention :P, but i dont mind :), it makes me feel special
[21:32] <highvoltage> vmlintu: not yet, but my list is purely wishlist, and anyone can add wishlist items, for my wishlist I'm only adding things I know I can work on, and my ldap knowledge is sparse
[21:33] <highvoltage> vmlintu: you're welcome to attend next week's meeting and add it to the big list we're going to put together, otherwise you can suggest it on the mailing list as well and we'll add it too
[21:33] <highvoltage> bencrisford: it was something technical that's happening, if someone's working on something I feel that it's worth while mentioning :)
[21:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok, fair enough :)
[21:34] <bencrisford> i might ask for someone to take a second look at that later, so i guess it is revelevent
[21:34] <bencrisford> i dont get what the problem is
[21:35] <bencrisford> i have edited the .desktop file, fixed it, validated it and it still doesnt work
[21:35] <bencrisford> ive tried other things to
[21:35] <bencrisford> but no luck :(
[21:37] <vmlintu> highvoltage: I've been working on new ldap setup tool to get actually working ldap setup on top of openldap. The goal is to get desktop and web applications integrated with it so that the same user information is available for everything easily. Focusing on the easy part.
[21:37] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
[21:37] <bencrisford> sbalneav: evening
[21:39] <vmlintu> But I'll post about that on the mailing lists. Over here it seems like no-one wants more desktop applications, but integration for gazillion webapps only..
[21:48] <highvoltage> vmlintu: nice, that certainly is in high demand
[21:51] <highvoltage> vmlintu: what does the tool currently do?
[21:52] <vmlintu> highvoltage: there are actually many at the moment - one sets up openldap with required schemas, configures the database, adds the required base entries etc..
[21:52] <vmlintu> It also does kerberos server setup etc
[21:54] <vmlintu> Then we have web based ldap user management tool that uses the database. It hides the whole ldap from the admin and is for schools only - it has schools, class groups, teacher information etc..
[21:54] <highvoltage> vmlintu: hmm... are you familiar with blueprints in launchpad and ubuntu specifications?
[21:54] <vmlintu> Yes, I've read through them, but they are all ages old
[21:55] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I think you should perhaps create a new one and add it for the UDS
[21:55] <vmlintu> Third part will be the webapp integration using CAS+OpenID+OAuth+SAML using the ldap+kerberos setup as backend
[21:56] <vmlintu> The setup tool is almost ready, it just creates broken kerberos configurations if you have more than one realm
[21:56] <vmlintu> The user management tool is coming together and we hope to get it out during this month
[21:56] <highvoltage> vmlintu: ok, if you can keep it as packagable as possible (or even better, get it packaged) that will make it easier to get in as well
[21:57] <highvoltage> vmlintu: will you be able to attend the next edubuntu meeting?
[21:58] <highvoltage> (brb)
[21:58] <vmlintu> The user management tool is done using ruby+rails, so I'm not sure how that'd get packaged
[21:59] <vmlintu> highvoltage: when's the next meeting?
[22:01] <highvoltage> vmlintu: next wednesday 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:02] <vmlintu> that's probably ok, but I cannot say for sure yet
[22:02] <highvoltage> vmlintu: sometimes packaging certain tools can be quite tedious (I'm thinking schooltool and some sms webapps and ibid) because they depend on a bunch of other stuff that's not yet packaged that also needs to be packaged (which in some cases even have their own dependencies that need to be packaged)
[22:03] <highvoltage> vmlintu: but it's something we can work towards
[22:03] <vmlintu> I've been writing about the setup in blog here: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/category/developers-blog
[22:03] <highvoltage> vmlintu: sbalneav is also worth speaking to, he had previous LDAP plans for Ubuntu and I'm sure he's still serious about it
[22:04] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I'll subscribe and catch up
[22:04] <vmlintu> highvoltage: we are scratching our itch here.. the itch is just quite bad and large.. ;)
[22:05] <highvoltage> vmlintu: yep, no denying that!
[22:06] <highvoltage> vmlintu: if we find lots of rough edges, we could perhaps do something similar to what we did with Qimo in this release. first get the packages in to the archives, and then add an option for it in future releases
[22:06] <highvoltage> vmlintu: getting it into the archives would already allow for much larger testing
[22:08] <vmlintu> The whole thing is spreading all the time.. we already have one patch for slapd to get mit kerberos working better with it..
[22:09] <highvoltage> yeah that's a killer feature
[22:10] <vmlintu> we are already running hardy with all this, but it needs serious cleanups..
[22:12] <vmlintu> so we are basically rewriting the tools to better support it all..
[23:43] <alkisg> stgraber: there's an updated udhcpc in http://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/networking/udhcp/dhcpc.c?h=1_16_stable&id=53283adb24765a7afb4d6298661c3c1a8d6f5601
[23:43] <alkisg> The Ubuntu version dates back to 2005, but the one above is being maintained inside busybox
[23:43] <alkisg> ...and it supports a -C parameter which is exactly what we want (==doesn't send a client id at all)
[23:44] <alkisg> Can we compile busybox with udhcpc support? Or at least update the udhcp package in ubuntu?