[11:44] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[11:45] <cousin_luigi> Will ubuntu stay on thunderbird esr for the time being?
[17:10] <fishor_> hallo all, i use Firefox 19.0 ubuntu build and i have one issue. If i open google plus, firefox continually takes 10% CPU. Is it some thing ubuntu specific? Suddenly i cant test it on windows
[17:11] <fishor_> here is output of perf http://paste.ubuntu.com/5568166/
[17:13] <fishor_> here is strace http://paste.ubuntu.com/5568170/


[12:28] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:29] <rick_h_> morning, but nothing good
[12:30] <cmaloney> That not good huh?
[12:31] <cmaloney> Realizing one of the "benefits" of sitting by a window at work: getting to see that bright ball of gas in the sky right in my eyeballs
[12:31] <rick_h_> having a wife that can talk in her sleep, or say scream "why aren't you running, they're killing you" several times in the night makes for cranky husband
[12:31] <rick_h_> hah
[12:31] <cmaloney> I'll take it though
[12:31] <rick_h_> you moved to a window seat eh?
[12:31] <rick_h_> very cool
[12:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm in the cube that they used to use for storage.
[12:32] <cmaloney> Over where your whiteboard of doom is.
[12:32] <rick_h_> Oh ok, so by window it's a bit away still, not right by the window wall
[12:34] <cmaloney> Yeah.
[12:34] <cmaloney> Will PM you a pic when it finishes uploading
[12:34] <rick_h_> cool
[12:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: So on the plus side at least Erica is trying to save you and not saying "why don't you die you son-of-a-bitch".
[12:38] <cmaloney> So that's a plus.
[12:38] <cmaloney> s/don't/won't/
[12:41] <rick_h_> lol
[12:51] <rick_h_> and this is why I like rss feeds with cached content. "ooh, interesting article" click it and "page not found"
[12:51] <rick_h_> ooooh, something up there
[12:53] <cmaloney> This is why I use rss2email
[12:54] <cmaloney> Though I'm finding that graphic-heavy RSS feeds (like comics) are a bit of a pain in Mutt.
[12:55] <rick_h_> yea, I love my text but don't think I could do it in mutt
[12:55] <cmaloney> It's not awful
[12:56] <cmaloney> but it does make you realize how much images help walls of text
[12:56] <rick_h_> yea
[12:56] <cmaloney> (or conversely how much images hide a lack of text)
[12:57] <rick_h_> that too
[13:26] <jrwren> so... I looked at tpp and I like it, but another text markup language? ugh. no matter how trivial?  seems like just using Markdown would have made a lot of sense.
[13:26] <jrwren> with a few conventions
[14:11] <cmaloney> I think I'm becoming greg-g
[14:11] <cmaloney> Picked up Cathedral and Kyuss last night.
[14:11] <dzho> this is music I take it
[14:12] <cmaloney> Yep.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Good music.
[14:12] <cmaloney> "Doom metal"
[14:12] <dzho> "pain in the Mutt" haha I see what you did there
[14:13] <cmaloney> No "the" in there, but I'll accept credit. ;)
[14:13] <dzho> oh
[14:13] <dzho> now that you mention it
[14:13] <dzho> that, kids, is what we call "closure"
[14:13] <dzho> ART!
[14:14] <dzho> I've had w3m set in my ~/.mailcap to handle text/html for a while now
[14:14] <dzho> but I just put "auto_view text/html"
[14:14] <dzho> in my .muttrc in the last week or so
[14:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, and that's fine for most mail save for graphics.
[14:14] <dzho> yeah.
[14:15] <dzho> I felt I had to do it because our dept is switching to office 365, and other units have already switched, so I'm seeing a lot more mail with only a text/html part
[14:15] <dzho> and replying to that without auto_view is a problem
[14:15] <dzho> :(
[15:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: are you planning on submitting a talk for pyohio?
[15:26] <rick_h_> heh, well another bookmark app comes out https://unmark.it/
[15:36] <cmaloney> Was thinking about it but not 100% what I could cover that would be of interest.
[15:36] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^
[15:38] <brousch> cmaloney: You can cover all of the bugs rick_h_ left you in his legacy code
[15:39] <rick_h_> lol "when the bastard leaves"
[15:39] <widox> rick_h_: odd name choice
[15:39] <widox> oh, its on GH too
[15:39] <widox> heh, free option lets you keep 50 total bookmarks O_o
[15:40] <cmaloney> "Sex, lies, and non-PEP8: the hidden code of rick_h_ "
[15:40] <rick_h_> noooooooooooooo!
[15:40] <brousch> YES
[15:54] <brousch> cmaloney: For when you go cyborg http://phys.org/news/2014-03-robotic-prosthesis-drummer-three-armed-cyborg.html
[16:05] <jrwren> i must admit - getting better at sed makes me feel a bit dirty :)
[16:07] <brousch> jrwren: It has made you more attractive, too
[16:08] <jrwren> I do prefer dirty people to clean people
[16:10] <cmaloney> Nothing wrong with sed. Sometimes it's all you need
[16:19] <jrwren> agree.
[16:19] <jrwren> sometimes it is all you have
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm getting really frustrated by something extremely stupid
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> i'm trying to use sys.stdout.write
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> but i don't want to type out the whole thing
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> how can i import it so that i only have to type write()?
[16:52] <rick_h_> from sys.stdout import write as write
[16:52] <rick_h_> well you don't need the as write
[16:52] <rick_h_> I was thinking of saving it as something else, nvm
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> no module named stdout
[16:53] <mrgoodcat> time to go anyways
[16:53] <jrwren> from sys import stdout ; write=stdout.write
[16:53] <jrwren> stdout is the member of teh sys module. it is a file like object so it has a write member on it.
[16:53] <rick_h_> yea
[17:22] <cmaloney> It's my experience that if you're writing directly to stdout you're overthinking your problem. :)
[17:22] <cmaloney> or you haven't discovered logger. :)
[17:22] <rick_h_> heh
[17:31] <jrwren> really?
[17:31] <jrwren> so you don't printf?
[17:31] <jrwren> or cout <<
[17:31] <jrwren> or echo in your bash scripts?
[17:32] <rick_h_> I typically just print or use logging.
[17:33] <jrwren> i means printf in C, cout in C++
[17:36] <cmaloney> jrwren: I mean Python
[17:38] <cmaloney> Of course I have to use stdout in C and C++. ;)
[17:39] <jrwren> you don't have to.
[17:39] <jrwren> why would C and C++ be any different than python with regard to stdout and logging?
[17:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: I mean I don't have to resort to using sys.stdout to get output. I usually just use print / logging
[17:57] <jrwren> oh!
[17:57] <jrwren> i was confuzled
[17:58] <cmaloney> si. :)
[17:58] <jrwren> nonsequitor: now that i've used RST for a bit, I can totally see why markdown is more popular and won.
[17:59] <cmaloney> what do you like better about markdown over RST?
[17:59] <cmaloney> I find RST is a hair more strict and less finger friendly.
[17:59] <mrgoodcat> i like markdown
[17:59] <mrgoodcat> i don't know rst
[18:00] <rick_h_> I just hate markdown [18:00] <mrgoodcat> the problem i have with print is the newline character at the end. How do I print without the newline character?
[18:00] <rick_h_> the rst way of underlining makes so much more sense to me
[18:00] <rick_h_> why would you not want the newline?
[18:00] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: you can put the [18:00] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: There's a few ways to tackle this
[18:01] <cmaloney> 1: Build a string in memory using sprintf and then output using print
[18:02] <cmaloney> use http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space
[18:02] <cmaloney> print('foo'), won't add the newline
[18:02] <cmaloney> (note the change for Python 3
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> but it will print a space
[18:02] <mrgoodcat> i just switched to use python 3 syntax
[18:03] <mrgoodcat> solved my problem
[18:03] <cmaloney> yeah, that's probably the better way.
[18:03] <jrwren> rick_h_: really? you like having to maintain the correct length of [18:03] <rick_h_> jrwren: meh, it makes sense to me
[18:03] <jrwren> MD makes SOOO much more sense here. you don't change anything except the title when you change the title.
[18:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: yypVR
[18:03] <cmaloney> =
[18:03] <jrwren> no
[18:03] <jrwren> assume i'm using sed :p
[18:03] <jrwren> j/k of course
[18:03] <jrwren> but RST is just downright mean wiht its errors and what it accepts.
[18:03] <rick_h_> lol
[18:04] <jrwren> MD is much more friendly IME
[18:04] <rick_h_> make lint meh
[18:04] <cmaloney> Agreed.  Just use LaTeX. ;)
[18:06] <cmaloney> You had the rest, now use the best.
[18:06] <jrwren> sadly, that is a bit more expensive to parse
[18:06] <cmaloney> a bit? :)
[18:07] <cmaloney> Ruby is a bit expensive to parse
[18:07] <cmaloney> When I write in LaTeX I feel like Donald Knuth is peering over my shoulder with a ruler, waiting to smack my hand for not being correct enough.
[18:08] <cmaloney> If I don't get a warning or two out of my document I wonder if I actually ran the right program.
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> lol
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> hbox overfull
[18:12] <_stink_> is what i get.
[18:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/laptops-for-ubuntu-cant-make-up-my-mind/1541/3?u=jorge
[18:47] <rick_h_> looking
[19:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: replied...and should have sent my book to the copy editor first heh
[20:09] <mathomastech> Got some reasonable success getting arch installed on my Macbook Air (2013). Still having some funky wifi issues. In order to connect to Wifi, I need to run "ip link set dev eth0 down" then "netctl start eth0-<profile>". It then connects to the network, but not the internet. If I put the computer to sleep then wake it back up, it will connect to the internet. Any got any insight as to why it behaves
[20:09] <mathomastech> this way?
[20:10] <rick_h_> not picking up dns by default?
[20:10] <rick_h_> dhcp that is
[20:10] <mathomastech> Doesn't appear to
[20:10] <rick_h_> and a wake up grabs it
[20:10] <rick_h_> check out dhclient
[20:10] <rick_h_> long ago I had to manually run that to pick up dhcp info
[20:10] <mathomastech> Yep. I've reboot my machine and tested it 4 times. It consistantly does the same thing.
[20:13] <mathomastech> Ok, that looks promising. I'll test that out. On a related note, I also finally got dropbox working. The AUR package still is broken but wget it directly from dropbox and manually running the daemon works.
[20:15] <mathomastech> Now I just need to figure out my ruby environment (for jekyll) and my Django setup and I'll finally be up and running on it.
[20:52] <waf> mathomastech: you can make sure your netctl profile has IP=dhcp in it
[20:53] <waf> also maybe look at starting/enabling the dhcpd daemon via systemctl
[21:09] <mrgoodcat> apparently some dumbass forgot to properly set up equipment before plugging it into the WMU network and wiped out all of the campus vlans
[21:20] <jrwren> the fact that your network is vulnerable to an attack like that is the problem.
[21:20] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: how did it happen?
[21:28] <mrgoodcat> not quite sure
[21:28] <mrgoodcat> i'm not there
[21:30] <mrgoodcat> 14:52 <+typo> tl;dr he forgot to set a value in one piece of equipment, plugged it into the network, and wiped all the VLANS on westerns network
[21:35] <jrwren> lol, western.
[21:35] <jrwren> i read WMU as WSU
[21:35] <jrwren> still, if the network was vulnerable to that, that is pretty bad.
[21:35] <jrwren> oh, but a net op did it.
[21:36] <jrwren> so he like set the CDP password or something?
[21:36] <jrwren> does CDP even have a passwrod?
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure what he did exactly
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> i used to work there which is how i know this much
[21:59] <mrgoodcat> but the people i know that still work there aren't being very forthcoming with information
[22:00] <mrgoodcat> i think most people over there still don't know exactly what happened


[01:32] <OerHeks> wafflejock, this happens when drunk go on irc ?
[01:33] <OerHeks> ... bank + new website ...
[01:33] <wafflejock> haha
[01:34] <wafflejock> I guess, either flustered or wasted who knows :)
[01:34] <OerHeks> Give him 5 more minutes, and all 10 classic scams come by..
[01:38] <OerHeks> "some should use windows"
[05:08] <ObrienDave> are we having fun yet? ;P
[05:09] <OerHeks> Now we do.
[05:09] <ObrienDave> at my expense? ;P
[05:10] <OerHeks> I am a poor guy, you know :-P
[05:11] <OerHeks> How are you doing, ObrienDave ?
[05:11] <ObrienDave> LOL join the club :) ok, good. and you?
[05:12] <OerHeks> Just been woken up, by these burglars http://picpaste.com/2015parkiet-YUZsuVMZ.JPG
[05:13] <ObrienDave> awwwws cute :)
[05:14] <ObrienDave> you guys mind if i invite cfhowlett? known him for quite a while
[05:14] <OerHeks> Sure, he has been here before..
[05:15] <ObrienDave> ok, just wanted to ask first.
[05:15] <OerHeks> anybody is welcome i guess, it is not only for helpers to have a backtalk ... officially it is a discussion channel, but that happens mostly in #ubuntu
[05:17] <ObrienDave> hey cfhowlett god to see you amongst the sane ;P
[05:18] <ObrienDave> *good
[05:18] <OerHeks> hi cfhowlett
[05:18] <cfhowlett> you know, that bartender gave me a dirty look and a dirty glass ...
[05:18] <ObrienDave> or insane depending on your point of view :P
[05:19] <ObrienDave> shoot the bartender ;P
[05:19] <OerHeks> Bartender ! trow away those first 6 beers please, they don't taste that good ,...
[05:20] <cfhowlett> I said "HEY Muchruto!!  Do you know who I am?"
[05:21] <ObrienDave> ruh roh, the Samuel Jackson is coming out ;P
[05:22] <cfhowlett> "Black Snake Moan"
[05:25] <ObrienDave> lordy, my money is on Strldent not coming back LOL
[05:27] <OerHeks> uh oh, did i wreck his system ?
[05:27] <ObrienDave> seriously doubt that. i'm betting on pebcak ;P
[05:30] <OerHeks> there is a labrador running wild, in and out ;-)
[05:42] <ObrienDave> your dog?
[05:42] <OerHeks> No, he is sleeping, with one eye open @ me
[05:42] <OerHeks> i noticed a user labrador in #ubuntu
[05:42] <ObrienDave> ah so
[05:47] <ObrienDave> lordy, a live one in Xubuntu
[06:12] <ObrienDave> another happy customer? LOL
[06:13] <ObrienDave> moar beer needed ;P
[06:18] <OerHeks> moar beer ... and pizza ... if not, then taco's .. else beer
[06:18] <OerHeks> goto mouth
[06:18] <ObrienDave> above else, moar beer ;P
[06:18] <OerHeks> no no
[06:18] <OerHeks> on error, moar beer
[06:18] <OerHeks> fi
[06:19] <ObrienDave> if error, drink beer
[06:19] <ObrienDave> fi
[06:19] <ObrienDave>  ;P
[06:19] <OerHeks> #!bin/beer
[06:46] <ObrienDave> legend> I see. I hope windows community patch this limitation in upcoming windows 10.
[06:47] <ObrienDave> yea, GLWT LMAO
[19:31] <OerHeks> miauw
[19:31] <OerHeks> Any mice around trying to escape the gui?
[19:32] <daftykins> :D
[19:32] <daftykins> nutjob users once again
[19:32] <OerHeks> so cheesy yes
[19:33] <OerHeks> i am not sure what cheesy means, it sounds funny
[19:33] <Bashing-om> has my notice, no want a GUI, but want to use a mouse ?  Now that is going to take some doing .
[19:34] <daftykins> :D
[19:34] <OerHeks> my fear is the mysql/apache install ...
[19:51] <EriC^^> hiya daftykins
[19:51] <EriC^^> and OerHeks, Bashing-om
[19:53] <OerHeks> Evening EriC^^
[19:53] <EriC^^> evening OerHeks
[19:53] <daftykins> o/
[19:53] <daftykins> ugh smartphones
[19:53] <daftykins> my Nexus 4 is going crazy, so having to factory reset it :(
[19:55] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Are we having fun now ? \o/
[19:55] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: :D
[21:21] <holoferens> Hey anyone here?
[21:22] <ObrienDave> never ;P


[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:07] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? enjoyed the summer weekend?
[08:07] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:08] <jibel> hi everyone
[08:08] <duflu> Morning jibel
[08:13] <Laney> moin seb128 duflu jibel
[08:13] <Laney> summer was good, we went swimming in the lake
[08:13] <Laney> and then a storm came over while we were in there, that was fun
[08:16] <Laney> did you have a good weekend seb128 duflu & jibel ?
[08:17] <duflu> Laney, not on par with yours, but yeah, pleasurable in parts
[08:18] <duflu> I wonder which bugs we can related to this? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/commit/dd846f1ba2f3e93d5840dd48bef4eb67ba050848
[08:18] <duflu> -d
[08:23] <jibel> Laney, w-e was good. shopping, cycling, picnic at the beach, and swimming in the sea. no rain and not too warm.
[08:23] <jibel> far too many tourists though, waiting for september to enjoy empty beaches
[08:25] <jibel> anyone running win 10 could do an installation of 20.04 in virtualbox with and without hyper-v enabled?
[08:32] <jamesh> duflu: doesn't glib have a property binding API to avoid that kind of bug?
[08:32] <jamesh> maybe it's difficult to use from JS?
[08:33] <duflu> jamesh, probably, maybe, because glib has lots of such things. And you can use them from JS. But I don't follow the details and can't provide an educated answer
[08:34] <duflu> I mean; I don't know
[08:35] <mertgor> hi people! i'm waiting for today's meeting, i'm just started focusing on Ubuntu so i think that today is a good time to learn new things. Thanks this is mertgor on the forum and Launchpad ...
[08:35] <jamesh> I seem to remember seeing property binding in use when investigating a gnome-control-center/whoopsie-preferences bug a while back
[08:35] <mertgor> *i've
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, weekend was relaxing, the weather was nice without being as warm as friday was so nice time to enjoy the garden, do some crosswords under the tree, nothing fancy but still pleasant :-)
[09:19] <seb128> mertgor, hey, unsure what meeting you are after but the desktop one is on tuesdays so tomorrow
[09:20] <Laney> sounds nice!
[09:30] <seb128> it was :-)
[09:34] <mertgor> seb128: Yes i realized that today is Monday :) Thanks
[09:35] <seb128> :-)
[14:00] <oSoMoN> ricotz, can you push your changes to the firefox-beta.* branches for beta 3? I'll push my updates to unity-menubar.patch on top
[14:04] <ricotz> oSoMoN, done
[14:04] <oSoMoN> cheers
[14:05] <ricotz> would be good to get libreoffice 6.4.5/focal processed while 6.4.6 is around the corner
[14:14] <oSoMoN> ricotz, you'll need to ping the SRU team for that
[14:17] <oSoMoN> ricotz, are you looking at the firefox-beta.xenial build failures caused by Python 3.6, or do you want me to?
[14:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I know, I don't want to be annoying if this is some expected delay due to holidays
[14:18] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yeah, please look into it, I don't have time for that
[14:19] <oSoMoN> ack, I'll do that now
[14:20] <oSoMoN> ricotz, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/#Publishing you can ping sil21_00 (if he isn't on holidays ofc)
[14:21] <ricotz> oSoMoN, trying ;)
[14:24] <ricotz> jfyi there is a libreoffice 7.0.0 build in progress -- https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/11500697/+listing-archive-extra
[14:34] <oSoMoN> nice
[14:58] <seb128> ricotz, thanks for the SRU nagging, the delay is more likely due to point release preparations than holidays but still the SRU team refuses to review new application on the basis that they are staffed enough to keep up with uploads so we should hold them up to their claims :-)
[15:04] <ricotz> seb128, I see, and yeah it should not be happen to wait 3 weeks :-)
[16:30] <jibel> on kubuntu live session xdg-open uses kde-open instead of kde-open5. Does anyone know where this association is defined?
[16:31] <jibel> it's used to open the link to the release notes
[16:36] <Laney> jibel: that's just directly in the xdg-open script itself iirc
[16:38] <jibel> ah right. I was looking for some magic with mime types.
[16:38] <jibel> Thanks!
[16:40] <jibel> so it uses  kde-open${KDE_SESSION_VERSION} "$1" and KDE_SESSION_VERSION is not set when privileges are dropped.
[17:02] <Laney> half the problems we have in ubiquity are to do with environment variables and the dodgy permission dropping
[20:59] <seb128> hellsworth, marcustomlinson, osomon, the libreoffice focal 6.4.5 focal SRU got accepted but failed due to different orig tarball checksums that the one existing in G-serie
[20:59] <seb128> see https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/08/03/%23ubuntu-release.html#t17:45
[21:00] <seb128> unsure what's the workflow but it's a bit worring that we get different checksum for the same upstream version, the content of the orig isn't supposed to change...
[21:00] <seb128> (I know it's late but dumping that as a note, no need to do anything about it now)
[21:12] <hellsworth> sigh..
[21:14] <hellsworth> how can i check this before asking for an upload?
[21:15] <hellsworth> oh so what i did was an unnecessary get-orig-source.


[00:37] <ooze> mr_pouit: incase your still around.. do you know if there is anyway to force xfce to pull from xdg on every boot?  I would like to remove saved profiles.. so every boot is generic
[05:02] <muchosoft> hola, alguien habla español?
[05:04] <muchosoft> someone speak spanish?
[05:07] <muchosoft> someone reply me? ¬¬
[06:35] <allyourbass> just updated to 10.04 via update manager, what happened to the "shared folders" menu option? I want to admin my samba shares, has this been moved somewhere else?
[06:37] <mr_pouit> ooze: delete the config in $HOME, and it'll take the one from $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[06:42] <owen1> after i upgraded to lucid, i can't login. i see a wallpaper, the mouse is responding, keyboard is not and no login screen shows up. i can, however ssh to my machine. any tips?
[06:43] <allyourbass> owen1, can you switch to a virtual terminal, does the caps lock light turn on when you press the caps key?
[07:40] <visitor1> i have just installed xubuntu 10.04 and have now problems with thunar wich just hangs when i want to browse a hdd
[07:40] <visitor1> but only with the option detailed view!
[07:41] <gottto> yep that's abug - try the compact view to get where you need to go then do detailed
[07:42] <gottto> s/abug/a bug
[07:43] <visitor1> rather annyoing, is it know to the developer? is there going to be a update to fix it?
[07:44] <gottto> been known for a little while and for sure it will be fixed
[07:44] <visitor1> ok thanks gottto
[07:45] <gottto> np :]
[07:54] <Besogon> When wil we get next release of xfce?
[07:58] <Besogon> I don't like xfce 4.6 because of it has no menu editor at all. It's so litle thing but I sure we all miss it.
[08:00] <Sysi> xfce dev team is a bit down
[08:00] <Sysi> it contains about 2 persons :/
[08:01] <gottto> bugger me but they must work hard at it...
[08:01] <Besogon> It feels
[08:02] <gottto> how many lines of code in a whole desktop environment? ...
[08:02] <MalkavianManiac> more than one
[08:04] <Besogon> I heard that Canonical sponosored lxde... Why don't they support xfce then? It's more known be common...
[08:05] <Besogon> vy common
[08:05] <Besogon> by common
[08:05] <Besogon> D
[09:37] <visitor1> what does this application do? gam_server
[09:37] <visitor1> it just needs a lot of cpu
[09:38] <charlie-tca> it maintains a database of files
[09:42] <visitor1> what for? i mean its running constantly
[09:48] <mr_pouit> file monitoring
[09:54] <visitor1> http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/gam-server/#post-247296
[09:54] <visitor1> i turned it off
[10:05] <jarnos> My 10.04 boot occasionally freezes during the display of the xubuntu logo.
[10:07] <hatake_kakashi> I'd turn off the splash stuff and see where it freezes, of course not a guaranteed method but when it freezes and you have that set, you will see where it freezes
[10:08] <visitor1> how can i remove the verve command line from the panel?
[10:08] <hatake_kakashi> right click on the verve command line and click remove
[10:08] <hatake_kakashi> or remove from panel
[10:08] <visitor1> nope there comes a terminal menu
[10:09] <hatake_kakashi> hmm try opening up add new items and drag'n'drop the verve command line
[10:10] <visitor1> doesnt work also
[10:10] <syn-ack> visitor1, you see the command line right
[10:10] <jarnos> hatake_kakashi: In "Session and Startup" I have already "None" selected for Splash. Still I see splash screen in boot.
[10:11] <visitor1> yes syn-ack
[10:11] <syn-ack> right there on the left "line" of the context box, try to get the cursor like 1 pixel to the left of that and right click
[10:11] <hatake_kakashi> jarnos, I don't use that, I'd go directly to the grub's (or in your case, possibly grub2's) configuration file and remove it from the kernel line
[10:11] <syn-ack> visitor1, where the context ends is *really* hard to see
[10:11] <visitor1> lol syn-ack , i managed it, thanks
[10:13] <syn-ack> I ran into that lastnight myself and spent something like 455 mins to an hour trying to get it just right
[10:18] <visitor1> how can i start mc with full screen option?
[10:28] <visitor1> hmm deosnt seem to be so easy
[10:29] <visitor1> no mc --full-screen
[11:11] <jarnos> hatake_kakashi: That would work for certain kernel, but once new kernel is updated, or grub other wise updated, I'd have to do it again. Besides grub2 tells you shouldn't edit the grub.cfg file.
[11:13] <hatake_kakashi> jarnos, its mainly for debugging purposes, or if you have a better solution in mind to figure out exactly where is the problem rather than leaving helpers `stabbing in the dark'
[11:13] <charlie-tca> jarnos: remove splash from /etc/default/grub configuration file
[11:14] <charlie-tca> When the new kernel is put in, that does not put it back, unless you choose to allow a new file to be written specifically
[11:24] <subspider> good morning to evryone
[11:24] <subspider> :D
[11:25] <jarnos> charlie-tca: thanks
[11:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[11:46] <azareth> hi, my ubuntu hangs on loading "/scripts/init-bottom", but I could find that file/directory on the flash drive, can someone help me?
[13:11] <jarnos> Strange, as I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del to lock screen in 9.10, it rebooted. Usually it locks.
[15:08] <_6i> hi everyone
[15:09] <_6i> i have a problem regarding grub2
[15:13] <_6i> after shutdown and sometimes reboot, too, i dont get to the boot menu, but instead to the grub console - if i do the "set root=...;linux...;initrd...;boot" procedure, i can boot fine, but i would like to get that boot menu... (ubuntu version: lucid, dual-boot with winxp, xp was first, ubuntu wa sinstalled afterwards)
[15:14] <_6i> i've tried to reinstall grub, and the whole os and still the problem remains
[15:50] <jarnos> _6i: check /etc/default/grub
[15:51] <_6i> well, just defaults there..
[15:52] <_6i> the problem is that sometimes the boot menu shows, sometimes not
[15:52] <_6i> and i'm thrown to the grub console instead
[15:52] <jarnos> _6i: do you press any key?
[15:52] <_6i> no
[15:53] <jarnos> _6i: try asking in #grub.
[15:54] <_6i> when i shutdown, i always get the console, when i restart, if the shutdown animation is shown, then console, if just text information about the restart in progress, then i got the bootmenu afterwards
[15:54] <Sysi> !grub
[15:54] <Sysi> !grub2
[15:55] <_6i> well, after readin that, a could boot to ubuntu, if i enter the root, kernel and initrd settings manually..
[15:56] <_6i> but didn't find help there to check what the problem is
[15:56] <_6i> tried to reinstall grub and the os, too
[15:56] <_6i> but the problem remained
[15:56] <Sysi> that souds like bug maybe
[15:57] <_6i> i didn't even find similar problems on the forums or using google in general..
[15:58] <_6i> but thanks for trying to help
[15:58] <_6i> ..at least someone..
[16:07] <jarnos> _6i: maybe some BIOS issue?
[16:09] <gharz> hey guys, i've just installed xubuntu thru wubi. why is it that the ntfs partition was not automatically mounted on xfce unlike in ubuntu??? how do i do this?
[16:10] <gharz> guys, how do i mount my windows partition on xubuntu? ubuntu automatically mounts other ntfs partition. how do i do this?
[16:10] <gharz> xubuntu doesn't mount them automatically? do i really need to update my fstab?
[16:11] <gharz> anyone?
[16:11] <Sysi> !ask
[16:11] <gharz> !ntfs
[16:12] <gharz> !FUSE
[16:12] <gharz> !NTFS-3g
[16:12] <Sysi> !inspection
[16:12] <Sysi> baf..
[16:13] <Sysi> you can talk to bot in query
[16:22] <_6i> jarnos: someone on #grub asked if my BIOS have a limit on how far into a large drive it can read, because if so then on some kernel upgrades the grub.cfg may be written within that limit, and on other outside it. He said, I can usually check this by looking at your BIOS menu and seeing how large it lists the drive as being, or when it fails instead of running "linux... initrd... boot" run "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg" and i'l
[16:22] <_6i> l see an "out of disk" error if that is the problem i'm having. But if the console is shown, and i run "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg", the bootmenu shows up, and everything boots fine.
[16:22] <charlie-tca> You told him that, right?
[16:24] <_6i> charlie-tca: you ask me?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:28] <_6i> charlie-tca: told whom what?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> told the guy in #grub - But if the console is shown, and i run "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg", the bootmenu shows up, and everything boots fine.
[16:29] <_6i> yeah
[16:30] <_6i> he said:  can't think of anything that could cause this problem. Do you get any error messages when the menu fails to load?
[16:30] <_6i> i said, no, just the grub console loads instead of the bootmenu
[16:31] <_6i> GNU GRUB version 1.98-1ubuntu6 \n\n Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions. \n\n grub> _
[16:31] <charlie-tca> After a failure, check /var/log/dmesg  or /var/log/bootlog  for errors?
[16:33] <_6i> charlie-tca: that was all i got without any warning or error messages instead of the boot menu (i'll check the logs in a sec)
[16:33] <_6i> (no answer from the guy in #grub since :) )
[16:36] <_6i> charlie-tca: btw, those logs aren't for the problems regarding the ubuntu startup stage (could it even contain regarding grub which runs before even the os is selected to boot?..)
[16:37] <charlie-tca> bootlog should even show the os selected
[16:37] <charlie-tca> You may have to turn on boot logging in /etc/default/bootlog
[16:43] <_6i> charlie-tca: nothing in /var/log/boot, /var/log/boot.log has 7 lines and starts with "fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2", /var/log/bootstrap.log shows only some dpkg dependency issues but not errors
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I don't know anything else to try. bios is not limiting you, right? I do have a machine here that does something similar, if I try to install on a SATA drive with the IDE drive empty
[16:45] <_6i> charlie-tca: /var/log/dmesg also shows just things after the selected os started to boot
[16:47] <_6i> charlie-tca:  the weird thing is, that sometimes when rebooting, the bootmenu loads, but usually don't
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Turn the menu on in /etc/default/grub, just comment the line - #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[16:48] <charlie-tca> That should turn it on full time
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Maybe that will fix it, even?
[16:48]  * charlie-tca shooting in the dark, now
[16:50] <_6i> charlie-tca: sorry, it has always been commented out
[16:51] <_6i> (btw, thanx for trying)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Do you have more than one install of ubuntu/xubuntu on the system?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I have to wonder if there is not another menu taking over sometime
[16:52] <_6i> no, just 1 winxp, and i installed an ubuntu lucid afterwards (it's also updated)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> run 'sudo update-grub' in a terminal, sometimes that does straighten it out
[16:52] <arthurjohnson> This is interesting, when I switch on twinview the panel is spanning the desktops.  I really don't want it doing tat.
[16:53] <charlie-tca> yup, it does
[16:53] <arthurjohnson> It didn't used to do that
[16:53] <_6i> (after install (which was some hours before) i ran "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade")
[16:53] <charlie-tca> !xrandr
[16:53] <charlie-tca> _6i: still try running the grub update, sometimes it doesn't update it right
[16:54] <arthurjohnson> No, actually xrandr doesn't work with my nvidia card, its a twinview card
[16:54] <_6i> i've done that a couple of time before: no error, the problem stays
[16:54] <arthurjohnson> xrandr only shows one screen.
[16:54] <_6i> charlie-tca: i've done that a couple of time before: no error, the problem stays
[16:55] <charlie-tca> _6i: my brain is empty now
[16:55] <charlie-tca> arthurjohnson: I thought twin-view no longer worked, but I am probably wrong
[16:55] <_6i> charlie-tca: mine is overwhelmed and clueless :)
[16:55] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: Its configured in the NVIDIA X Server Settings
[16:56] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: Its part of the nvidia proprietary drivers
[16:56] <charlie-tca> Doesn't that make me right about being wrong?
[16:57] <arthurjohnson> heh
[16:57] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:57] <arthurjohnson> Ungh, this is annoying.  Windows are appearing between screens.
[16:58] <arthurjohnson> The main problem with the way this is running is I have two different monitors with different target resolutions.  The panel isn't showing up in the span.
[16:59] <_6i> charlie-tca: what can it mean, that after a shutdown, it always shows the console, but when just restarting, sometimes the bootmenu is shown
[16:59] <charlie-tca> _6i: it is a bug, if it is not shutting all the way down. Check your bios options, for ACPI.
[17:01] <_6i> charlie-tca: it shuts down allright, but then, when i turn it on again, the console s shown charlie-tca: instead of the menu, but when i set the path to the menu, the menu shows up ("grub> configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg")
[17:02] <_6i> charlie-tca: it shuts down allright, but then, when i turn it on again, the console is shown instead of the menu, but when i set the path to the menu, the menu shows up ("grub> configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg")
[17:02] <charlie-tca> set the path where?
[17:03] <_6i> in grub console (which starts instead of the boot menu)
[17:03] <_6i> if i run "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg" there, the bootmenu loads allright
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Do you have to select the grub menu from a windows menu, by chance?
[17:03] <_6i> no
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I "think" it has something to do with windows, instead of grub
[17:04] <_6i> after the bios startup stuff i get the console or the bootmenu rightaway
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Somehow, windows is getting things confused
[17:05] <_6i> why windows?
[17:05] <_6i> it wasn't even started in a while
[17:05] <charlie-tca> dual boot, right?
[17:05] <_6i> it didn't have the opportunity to screw up anything
[17:05] <charlie-tca> windows is messing with the mbr and grub setup
[17:06] <charlie-tca> windows always takes over if there is any way possible
[17:08] <_6i> charlie-tca:  again, then: in the beginning, there was winxp, then i installed lucid, updated it, restarted, got the bootmenu, went straight to ubuntu, shutdown, poweron, grub console instead of the bootmenu
[17:08] <_6i> charlie-tca: win didn't have a chance to interfere
[17:08] <charlie-tca> But that doesn't mean a windows update didn't screw things up, does it? ;-(
[17:09] <_6i> yes it does, because since the lucid install, win has not been started
[17:09] <_6i> so not updates there..
[17:10]  * charlie-tca gives full-disclosure: no windows here, don't really like windows, thinks microsoft wants to over write grub
[17:10] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry then. I am out of ideas again.
[17:11]  * charlie-tca also thinks windows belong in the wall of the house, not the computer
[17:12] <_6i> sometimes it really could, but since it didn't get the chance to do that, it couldn't (not a single byte of windows could have been executed, since it was never started from the grub bootmenu, therfore, it could not rewrite anything, since it did not ruan)
[17:12] <_6i> *run
[17:14] <_6i> charlie-tca: yeah, well, didn't like it either very much, but evidence shows (according to me), that it couldn't have commited the crime this time...sadly..
[17:15]  * arthurjohnson hasn't used Windows outside VirtualBox since 1998
[17:16] <jarnos> arthurjohnson: doesn't VirtualBox make it slow?
[17:16] <arthurjohnson> Not Windows XP
[17:16] <arthurjohnson> I mostly use it to watch VirtualBox.
[17:16] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:17] <arthurjohnson> of course, the machine I do this on is a dual core with 2 gigs of RAM on Xubuntu, so plenty of resources ;)
[17:17] <arthurjohnson> Er,  I mean Netflix
[17:17]  * charlie-tca didn't know VBox was that good a show ;-)
[17:18] <arthurjohnson> I used to use it to sync my daughter's iPod Touch, but with Lucid I can sync her iPod Touch over USB and GTK Pod
[17:19] <arthurjohnson> And every once in a while I run across something that needs Windows.  Not usually, but every once in a while.
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I haven't needed windows since 1998
[17:21] <arthurjohnson> Now that Netflix streams to my Wii, I don't even watch netflix that much on my vbox.
[17:23] <arthurjohnson> Okay, this is downright strange.
[17:24] <arthurjohnson> If I save the twinview configuration, and reboot, the panels stay where they belong, and windows appear where they are supposed to.
[17:24] <ooseiso> im trying to disable touchpad tapping permanently. I downloaded GPointingDeviceSettings and disabled tapping but every time i reboot its back.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Isn't that what you want?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> !synaptic
[17:24] <arthurjohnson> No, I used to run nvidia settings and turn on twinview when I needed the extra montior
[17:25] <arthurjohnson> Which isn't all that often.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> !touchpad
[17:25] <charlie-tca> ooseiso: ^^
[17:25] <arthurjohnson> Meh, I can leav it on I guess.
[17:26] <ooseiso> so yeah, i dont want to disable the touchpad just the tapping.
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> The second monitor usually sits under my desk until I need it, which isn't all that often.
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> ooseiso: I typically just use touchfreeze
[17:27] <colbyz> hi...i want to install xubuntu lucid, dual boot with windows vista....i have read about a last minute bug....what can i do now?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> What last minute bug? don't have answers without the facts
[17:28] <ooseiso> that looks like its for windows and further only disables tapping when your typing. "disable touchpad tapping permanently" lots of things tell me how to turn it off, but it never stays off.
[17:29] <colbyz> The problem  affected the bootloader and made it impossible for a dual-boot user to switch back to Windows once Ubuntu was installed.
[17:30] <charlie-tca> And was fixed before the final release?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I guess I would suggest reading the release notes referenced in the topic
[17:30] <colbyz> no
[17:31] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[17:31] <colbyz> they say "Installing the available updates and rebooting will fix this issue,"
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Okay, so "yes, it is fixed"
[17:32] <colbyz> i dont know man...i am newbie
[17:32] <colbyz> ok...good...thanks
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Make sure the image / cd you use is dated april 29, though
[17:33] <colbyz> ohh...i see now
[17:38] <ooseiso> im trying to disable touchpad tapping permanently. I downloaded GPointingDeviceSettings and disabled tapping but every time i reboot its back.
[17:48] <ooseiso> I'm trying to disable touchpad tapping permanently. I downloaded GPointingDeviceSettings and disabled tapping but every time I reboot its back.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> !patience > UbuntuIsInept
[19:20] <arthurjohnson> hey, check this out:  http://is.gd/c31xB
[19:20] <arthurjohnson> Hasn't bugged me, the default timeout, but if it needs to be changed
[19:20] <arthurjohnson> thats the way to change notify-osd to a lower timeframe
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Now if I could just change the color as easy... ;-)
[20:36] <TheBase> hello
[20:36] <TheBase> I've been using linux for years now and surprisingly I have to set up the JAVA_HOME with every new distribution. Does anybody knows why JAVA_HOME doesn't get configured automatically when the java package is installed?
[20:41] <danutzmilea> can anyone help me with my xubutu? i keep getting logged out after i log in... i suspect it's just after xfwm4 starts
[20:42] <danutzmilea> anyone at all
[20:48] <TheBase> is that a new installation?
[20:49] <TheBase> Go to text mode and check the log files. See if you find any errors
[20:49] <TheBase> Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to text mode
[20:50] <danutzmilea> well i already restarted a bunch of times
[20:50] <TheBase> during the login screen
[20:50] <TheBase> restarting won't help
[20:50] <danutzmilea> the thing is i was playing with the window style thingy from xfce
[20:50] <TheBase> there is probably something broken
[20:50] <danutzmilea> and it broke
[20:51] <TheBase> that's what I was gonna ask
[20:51] <danutzmilea> so.. i logged in using that "xfce" mode...
[20:51] <danutzmilea> with just the terminal
[20:51] <TheBase> did you try to install any 3D stuff?
[20:51] <danutzmilea> and started all this manually
[20:51] <danutzmilea> nu
[20:51] <danutzmilea> no*
[20:51] <danutzmilea> just tried changing window styles
[20:51] <danutzmilea> anyway, i managed to start xfdesktop from terminal
[20:51] <danutzmilea> and xfwm4
[20:52] <danutzmilea> however, if i start xfwm4 first then xfdesktop it logs out
[20:52] <TheBase> try to reverse the changes you did to the window style
[20:52] <danutzmilea> any thoughts on that?
[20:52] <danutzmilea> i tried
[20:52] <TheBase> actually before trying stuff have a look in the log files
[20:52] <danutzmilea> but apparently xfdesktop is not the same as xubuntu-desktop
[20:52] <danutzmilea> :-?
[20:53] <TheBase> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:53] <TheBase> look for some error on it
[20:54] <TheBase> see if xfce uses any other log file
[20:54] <danutzmilea> just one
[20:54] <danutzmilea> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[20:54] <danutzmilea> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[20:54] <danutzmilea> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[20:54] <TheBase> you might have to reinstall the window manager package
[20:54] <danutzmilea> i did that already
[20:54] <TheBase> that's not an error
[20:55] <TheBase> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:55] <danutzmilea> reinstalled xfwm, xubuntu-desktop and xfwm-themes
[20:55] <danutzmilea> from the synaptic package manager thingy
[20:55] <TheBase> try asking on #xfce too
[20:55] <danutzmilea> i did
[20:55] <TheBase> what do you get with grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[20:56] <danutzmilea> a guy told me to move some config files
[20:56] <danutzmilea> i was just about to restart
[20:56] <mr_pouit> danutzmilea: it broke when setting a theme?
[20:56] <danutzmilea> yeah
[20:56] <danutzmilea> well, not a theme
[20:56] <danutzmilea> a window style
[20:56] <TheBase> make sure that when you reinstall the packages you "completely remove" the package. Otherwise it will keep the configuration files
[20:57] <danutzmilea> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[20:57] <danutzmilea> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[20:57] <danutzmilea> hmm.. didnt COMPLETELY remove though
[20:57] <danutzmilea> :-?
[20:57] <danutzmilea> i'll try that after restart
[20:57] <mr_pouit> danutzmilea: check that in $HOME/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml, the 'theme' property is not empty
[20:58] <TheBase> ok
[20:59] <danutzmilea> <property name="theme" type="string" value="Wildbush"/>
[20:59] <danutzmilea> i think i might be able to edit this
[20:59] <danutzmilea> and revert to the theme i had
[20:59] <danutzmilea> :-?
[20:59] <mr_pouit> try to put Albatross
[21:00] <danutzmilea> yeah, that's what i was thinking :D
[21:01] <danutzmilea> ok, i'll restart now :)
[21:01] <danutzmilea> see if it worked
[21:03] <danutzmilea> ok, i'm back
[21:04] <danutzmilea> worked like a charm
[21:04] <danutzmilea> thanks a whole lot!
[21:06] <TheBase> lol
[21:06] <TheBase> :)
[21:06] <TheBase> bug report!
[21:08] <danutzmilea> Yeah, how do I do that?
[21:10] <TheSheep> !bugs
[21:12] <danutzmilea> damn, i'm really lost
[21:33] <TheBase> I'm off
[21:33] <TheBase> laters
[22:12] <Aquina> 'lo
[22:17] <invite> hello everyone
[22:17] <invite> is this english speaking ?
[22:17] <invite> or french
[22:17] <acerimmer_> invite: very low usage on this channel.
[22:17] <invite> and ....
[22:17] <invite> ok.
[22:17] <invite> well...
[22:18] <invite> thx anyways
[22:18] <acerimmer_> !fr> invite
[22:19] <invite> acerimmer_ : thx, and anyways, i dont mind speaking english
[22:19] <invite> just that on #ubuntu, nobody seems to listen (too crowded a channel I feel...)
[22:20] <filip_> hi all
[22:20] <invite> hi filip_
[22:21] <filip_> i bought today laptop IBM R60, and installed xubuntu
[22:21] <invite> I got jammed with this xubuntu upgrade : no longer do I log in normally
[22:21] <invite> default automatic user seems to be forcing its way
[22:21] <invite> wonder why
[22:22] <filip_> I'm newbie in linux, can anyone explain me how install intlel GMA 950?
[22:22] <filip_> drivers ofcourse
[22:24] <invite> sorry, but I doubt I could help you
[22:24] <invite> r u french speaking ?
[22:24] <filip_> no, only english, litttle german and very little arabic.
[22:25] <invite> ok
[22:25] <invite> it's just that I found recently that there is a good french tutorial, that's why I was asking
[22:26] <invite> dont know about english equivalent but there must be !
[22:27] <filip_> hmm, could we translate this tutorial by google translate?
[22:28] <invite> why not
[22:31] <invite> lost my way to that page
[22:31] <invite> dammit !
[22:33] <filip_> hmm i found and download xorg.conf for my graphic card, if i put it on my x11 folder it will be right?
[22:35] <invite> gee...
[22:35] <invite> cant help you with this
[22:38] <filip_> ok, thank you. you try :)
[22:38] <filip_> bye
[23:21] <TNuser311> hello I'm having a problem with my screen, it is cutting off the bottom of the desktop so I can't see the lower bar, Can anyone help me fix this.  TY!


[10:01] <vintox> hi guys
[10:02] <vintox> can someone help me with compiz please?
[10:40] <mzanetti> dednick: hey, the unlock SIM entry is gone again
[10:42] <dednick> mzanetti: can you run the indicators-client and get a copy of the network indicator info?
[10:42] <mzanetti> dednick: how?
[10:43] <mzanetti> dednick: do I need to install the indicators-client?
[10:43] <mzanetti> dednick: 'cause this is a read only dogfooding phone
[10:43] <dednick> mzanetti: yeah
[10:44] <mzanetti> but I guess I can make it writable to debug this and then flash it again
[10:44] <dednick> and then. in the indicators-client, click on the network indicator, and de-select enable visual representation
[10:44] <mzanetti> dednick: ok. will take a bit as I have an appointment soon and when I come back a bunch of meetings. but I'll try to get it debugged today
[10:44] <dednick> mzanetti: ok. thanks
[11:08] <mzanetti> greyback: check out the last comments on that bug... I'm not sure what to do with it tbh
[11:10] <mzanetti> greyback: basically what it says is that we shouldn't ever use stopApplication() but just close the app's window and hope that the app is implemented in a way that it calls quit() on its own when the window closes
[11:11] <greyback> mzanetti: I'm not sure if mir let's shell close a surface right now
[11:11] <greyback> lets
[11:17] <mzanetti> greyback: but isn't that what's already happening?
[11:20] <greyback> mzanetti: we start/stop apps, but we don't close their surfaces on them, just hide them
[11:23] <mzanetti> hmm.. ok
[11:45] <sil2100> tsdgeos: hi! Saviq not around today?
[11:45] <tsdgeos> sil2100: he's travelling back home
[11:45] <tsdgeos> sil2100: maybe in the late afternoon/eveining
[11:46] <sil2100> ah, thanks
[11:46] <sil2100> tsdgeos: anyway, since you might know some info about this one - did you have any time to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1256360 ?
[11:46] <sil2100> tsdgeos: I have been told that management thinks about making that a promotion blocker ;/
[11:48] <tsdgeos> sil2100: that's only on shutdown of unity8
[11:48] <tsdgeos> least important thing ever imho
[11:48] <tsdgeos> that's all i can say :D
[11:48] <sil2100> tsdgeos: yeah, well, I'm not management so ;p
[11:48] <tsdgeos> i can show you much more worse things i'd like to consider a blocker
[11:48] <sil2100> tsdgeos: I also thought about it as low prio, but it seems there are people that want this gone
[11:48] <tsdgeos> sil2100: i did not look at it at all, you'll have to get Saviq
[11:49] <sil2100> k, thanks ;)
[11:49] <tsdgeos> i mean
[11:49] <tsdgeos> i did look at it but not past the "ok it's on crash not important"
[11:49] <tsdgeos> phase
[12:52] <Oxid> Всем привет. Кто может помочь? Панель Unity (ширина) не учитывается, получается ширина окон больше на ширину панели, края окон срезаются.
[12:53] <xnox> Oxid: please try #ubuntu-ru there are not that many russian speaking people here.
[12:53] <Zhenech> Oxid, this is mostly a development related and english speaking channel
[12:53] <xnox> Oxid: or try in english, if you can =)
[12:53] <Oxid> ok :)
[12:58] <Oxid> Hello. Who can help? Panel Unity (width) is not taken into account, it turns out windows more width to the width of the panel, the edges beveled windows.
[13:02] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/carouselLastItemClick/+merge/214230
[13:03] <tsdgeos> or mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/carouselLastItemClick/+merge/214230
[13:05] <Cimi> tsdgeos, why no stepanimation at end?
[13:05] <Cimi> I'm not convinced
[13:05] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ?
[13:05] <tsdgeos> i do have a stepanimation at end
[13:05] <tsdgeos> you didn't
[13:05] <tsdgeos> so convince yourself
[13:06] <tsdgeos> and then go review the code again
[13:06] <tsdgeos> and even may use tryCarousel
[13:06] <tsdgeos> before commenting on it :)
[13:06] <Cimi> ahahah
[13:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so why you added it?
[13:06] <tsdgeos> because
[13:07] <tsdgeos> i'm pretty sure the only reason it was there it was because the last x calculation was buggy
[13:07] <tsdgeos> as it was (since that's the other thing i fixed)
[13:07] <tsdgeos> and that was only there to hide it
[13:08] <tsdgeos> note the real fix is inside the getXFromContinuousIndex function
[13:09] <tsdgeos> and anyway i'm not claiming i understand the code, i just claim it fixes stuff ;)
[13:10] <tsdgeos> Cimi: you're free to provide an alternate fix :)
[13:24] <Cimi> tsdgeos, found the original code
[13:24] <Cimi> hold on
[13:27] <Cimi> tsdgeos, actually, this part is missing
[13:27] <Cimi> it comes with a big commit
[13:27] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I'd not approve the branch until I realise what's going omn
[13:28] <tsdgeos> Cimi: that's why i asked you to review
[13:28] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so my idea
[13:28] <Cimi> tsdgeos, is that you can scroll without reaching the end
[13:28] <Cimi> imagine you scroll 98%
[13:29] <Cimi> tsdgeos, in this case you _need? the step animation
[13:29] <tsdgeos> you do
[13:29] <Cimi> ok cool
[13:29] <Cimi> so when you're at the end
[13:29] <Cimi> do you still need it?
[13:29] <tsdgeos> you do
[13:29] <Cimi> nope
[13:29] <tsdgeos> you do because your code checks for < 1 pixel
[13:30] <tsdgeos> and the list with scale and stuff
[13:30] <tsdgeos> it's not that accurate
[13:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I'll review the branch properly
[13:30] <tsdgeos> so you basically "reset" the position
[13:30] <Cimi> with manual testing and such
[13:30] <tsdgeos> Cimi: thanks for doing what i asked you to do, that is really helpful :)
[13:33] <tsdgeos> mterry: mornings
[13:33] <mterry> tsdgeos, hello!
[13:34] <tsdgeos> mterry: deja-dup killed my machine this morning on boot :'(
[13:34] <mterry> tsdgeos, killed your machine?
[13:34] <tsdgeos> ate all my RAM
[13:34] <tsdgeos> took me 30 min to kill it and recover from so much swapping :D
[13:35] <mterry> Huh....
[13:35] <mterry> tsdgeos, I've had a report on Fedora of that a while ago, but no one could reproduce
[13:37] <tsdgeos> mterry: i can't either
[13:37] <tsdgeos> rebooted again just to try
[13:37] <tsdgeos> and it all went fine
[13:39] <mterry> tsdgeos, sorry bro  :-/
[13:39] <tsdgeos> mterry: no worries, i know it's close to imposible to debug
[13:39] <tsdgeos> mterry: do you think there's anything i can do to help in the future in case it happens again?
[13:40] <tsdgeos> ls
[13:40] <tsdgeos> wops :D
[13:40] <mterry> tsdgeos, uh...  I guess get a backtrace of what it thinks it's doing.  But that's hard if your system is going kaput
[13:40] <mterry> tsdgeos, do you know if this was the deja-dup-monitor exe or the deja-dup one?
[13:41] <tsdgeos> i remember a monitor in the top/iotop output
[13:41] <tsdgeos> so probably the first
[13:44] <mzanetti> Saviq: you around yet?
[13:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: he was travelling this morning, not sure he had time to get home already
[13:55] <mzanetti> greyback: just realized that the bug is only invalid for the settings app.
[13:56] <mzanetti> greyback: I've added the checklist in case we want to land this for now
[14:01] <greyback> mzanetti: ok. I'll have to leave it to you to find out if that solution is acceptable to people
[14:02] <mzanetti> greyback: ok. but if it isn't I'll have to leave the other fix to you :P
[14:02] <greyback> mzanetti: ok
[14:21] <tedg> Saviq, ping bug 1302213
[14:39] <mhr3> didrocks, need your help with the sobump
[14:39] <didrocks> mhr3: sure?
[14:39] <mhr3> didrocks, sure :)
[14:40] <didrocks> ahah, was more "sure, what's up?"
[14:40] <didrocks> but if you are really really sure… :p
[14:40] <mhr3> didrocks, so problem we just realized we have - the libunity-scopesX pkg contains binaries for scoperunner and scoperegistry
[14:40] <mhr3> and those link against the lib
[14:40] <mhr3> but they're not versioned in anyway, so you can't really install both libunity-scopes0 and 1
[14:41] <didrocks> right
[14:41] <didrocks> do you want to?
[14:41] <mhr3> do i just add breaks, replaces, conflicts to 1, to get rid of 0?
[14:41] <didrocks> exactly
[14:41] <didrocks> conflict/replaces/provides
[14:41] <didrocks> rather
[14:41] <mhr3> provides?
[14:41] <didrocks> to help apt to understand the transition
[14:41] <didrocks> yeah
[14:41] <mhr3> no breaks?
[14:41] <didrocks> no
[14:42] <didrocks> how to phrase that
[14:42] <mhr3> and it would provide 0?
[14:42] <didrocks> let's say "breaks is temporary"
[14:42] <didrocks> it's a transiant state
[14:42] <didrocks> but libunity0 would be reinstalled at a later point
[14:42] <didrocks> conflict is definitive
[14:42] <didrocks> yeah, provides is an issue
[14:42] <didrocks> don't set it
[14:42] <didrocks> however, apt may have some troubles upgrading
[14:42] <mhr3> so just conflicts + replaces?
[14:43] <didrocks> how many packages have a dependency on libunity-scopes0?
[14:43] <mhr3> directly, zero
[14:43] <mhr3> it's via libunity-scopes-dev
[14:43] <didrocks> and what's dep on libunity-scopes-dev?
[14:43] <didrocks> not a whole lot I guess
[14:43] <mhr3> 4 pkgs
[14:44] <didrocks> hum
[14:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, now
[14:44] <didrocks> $ reverse-depends libunity-scopes0
[14:44] <didrocks> * unity-plugin-scopes
[14:44] <didrocks> * unity-scope-click [amd64 arm64 armhf i386]
[14:44] <mzanetti> Saviq: wb
[14:44] <didrocks> * unity-scope-mediascanner2
[14:44] <didrocks> * unity-scope-scopes
[14:44] <didrocks> that should be enough
[14:44] <didrocks> to force the transition
[14:44] <didrocks> so yeah, only conflicts + replaces
[14:44] <mhr3> ok
[14:45] <mzanetti> Saviq: on the last 2 comments in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-mir/+bug/1273781
[14:45] <mzanetti> Saviq: does that mean we don't want this fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity-mir/quit-manually-started-procs/+merge/214013
[14:45] <mhr3> didrocks, and the ultimate solution is to start versioning everything, so that 0 and 1 could be installed in parallel, right?
[14:45] <mzanetti> or should we do this for now until Mir properly closes the window
[14:46] <mhr3> didrocks, meaning the "proper" solution
[14:46] <Saviq> mardy, can we SIGTERM the signon-ui for now? ↑↑
[14:47] <didrocks> mhr3: there is no chance for a service using on libunity version to be compatible with the other one?
[14:47] <didrocks> mhr3: like, dbus protocol being compatible? (if any)
[14:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, q:, though, are we SIGSTOP'ing non-upstart apps?
[14:47] <mzanetti> Saviq: yep
[14:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: we get the PID from mir and use that one to SIG*
[14:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: except for closing down we use upstart's PID which isn't set in this case
[14:48] <mhr3> didrocks, scopes by 3rd parties will be built using any released soversion, so we will need to provide compability
[14:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, so SIGTERM isn't enough
[14:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, we need SIGCONT, too
[14:48] <mardy> Saviq: I'd rather not... though in practice I don't think that this will cause big problems
[14:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: I tried. it is enough
[14:49] <didrocks> mhr3: part of the issue is that now britney is only offering you to have one version at any time
[14:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, when a process is SIGSTOP, it can't do anything in reaction to a SIGTERM
[14:49] <didrocks> mhr3: or you need to fork the source
[14:49] <mhr3> didrocks, who's britney? :)
[14:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: also we don't SIGCONT other apps before asking upstart to close them
[14:49] <mhr3> spears?
[14:49] <mardy> Saviq, mzanetti: I'd vote for unconfined processes not to be stopped, if my vote has any importance :-)
[14:49] <didrocks> mhr3: she doesn't sing though :p it's what is handling proposed -> release pocket migration
[14:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's different, upstart SIGTERMs and SIGKILLs after 5s
[14:50] <Saviq> mardy, that'd be an interim solution
[14:50] <mhr3> didrocks, we'll need to do something about it
[14:50] <mhr3> didrocks, but it doesn't have to be done now
[14:50] <mardy> Saviq: why interim? Can't it be like that forever?
[14:50] <mhr3> didrocks, haven't reached 1.0 yet :)
[14:50] <Saviq> mardy, I mean SIGTERM would be interim
[14:51] <didrocks> mhr3: yeah, I think we'll have to fork the source or multiple builds from same source…
[14:51] <Saviq> mardy, but anyway, shell has no idea of confined or unconfined
[14:51] <mardy> Saviq: ah, OK
[14:51] <mhr3> didrocks, i guess so :/
[14:51] <mzanetti> mardy: this just handles the case that upstart say "huh, I can't stop that app"
[14:52] <mardy> Saviq, mzanetti: OK
[14:52] <mzanetti> mardy: in this case we send it a SIGTERM (for now). as your suggestion (which I think we all agree with) requires more work in the lower layers first
[14:52] <Saviq> mardy, long-term we'll definitely ask the app to quit gracefully, and probably kill it after a timeout
[14:52] <Saviq> mardy, might be different for trusted helpers, though
[14:52] <mardy> Saviq: what about your idea to send the window closed event to all apps (even those started by upstart), before killing them? That sounded very reasonable to me
[14:52] <mardy> mzanetti: OK, that should be fine
[14:53] <Saviq> mardy, yeah, that'd be the plan
[14:53] <Saviq> mardy, and term/kill after a timeout
[14:53] <Saviq> mardy, but again, trusted helpers will probably be exempt from that
[14:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, but really, you can't TERM an STOP'ed app
[14:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, so either we're not STOPing, which would be a bug in itself
[14:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, or your testing failed :)
[14:54]  * Saviq goes for foo
[14:54] <mzanetti> I tend to agree with you from a theoretical POV, but my observations have been different
[14:54] <Saviq> d
[14:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: wait
[14:55] <mzanetti> will you joing the meetin now?
[14:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, I mean food like in the kitchen
[14:55] <mardy> wait! The food is poisoned!
[14:55] <mzanetti> :D
[14:55] <mzanetti> ssshhht
[14:58] <tedg> mzanetti, Saviq, so this was an issue for the QA folks, in that they want to stop an app via UAL that Unity has SIGSTOP'd.
[14:58] <Saviq> tedg, yeah, we should SIGCONT them before stopping via UAL
[14:58] <Saviq> tedg, ah
[14:58] <tedg> I'm curious whether we shouldn't be SIGCONT'ing them
[14:58] <Saviq> you mean completely outside
[14:59] <tedg> Yeah, via the test script
[14:59] <Saviq> tedg, yeah, they need to SIGCONT them indeed
[14:59] <Saviq> tedg, upstart will SIGKILL them, though, so they will exit after 5s
[14:59] <tedg> Yeah, and they're seeing that, but they'd like to be able be a little better.
[14:59] <tedg> Is there a way to ask Unity to close an app?
[15:00] <tedg> Like that QA could use.
[15:00] <tedg> I feel a little weird just sending SIGCONT blindly.
[15:01] <mzanetti> Saviq: right... the seems we're failing to SIGSTOP those not started by upstart
[15:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, I thought so, which might actually be OK
[15:04] <tedg> mzanetti, Saviq, Are you not starting unconfined apps using upstart?
[15:04] <tedg> Well UAL.
[15:05] <mzanetti> tedg: there are some exceptions. if you launch the online-accunts-ui from the settings app for example
[15:05] <mzanetti> tedg: or autopilot runs most of them by system call still
[15:05] <mzanetti> tedg: or qtcreator does currently
[15:05] <tedg> That's just because of the trusted session stuff not being complete?
[15:05] <tedg> Those all go away with the sidestage stuff landing, no?
[15:06] <tedg> i.e. no --desktop_file_hint=
[15:16] <pete-woods> Saviq: just letting you know I fixed the embarrassing build failure in the libusermetrics branch
[15:16] <Saviq> pete-woods, oh ok, didn't know there was one :)
[15:16] <Saviq> pete-woods, will kick the silo again soon
[15:16] <pete-woods> yeah, symbols fail
[15:17] <pete-woods> teach me to push without running bzr bd
[15:47] <kgunn> Saviq: so i asked camako & AlbertA to jump on the "unity8 crashes" during AP that someone debugged to be a mir prob...
[15:47] <kgunn> can someone provide some color commentary ?
[15:48] <kgunn> e.g. it lead back to an old bug we thot was fixed, so i'm thinking diff root cause
[15:48] <tedg> "They're debugging this like a NASCAR race on the last turn! Crashes Everywhere!"
[15:48] <kgunn> just looking for a breadcrumb trail
[15:48]  * tedg does color
[15:48] <kgunn> thanks tedg :) :/
[15:49] <tedg> kgunn, if you can make my phone update faster I'll have less time for IRC :-)
[15:51] <kgunn> lol
[15:52]  * davmor2 slips a 4g chip into tedg  's phone
[15:53] <kgunn> AlbertA: camako ...so i think maybe the more appropriate bug is this one
[15:53] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1302550
[15:53] <kgunn> ....which someone dup'd, and probably too quickly imho
[15:56] <AlbertA> kgunn: ahh ok, so this is the more recent occurrence then:
[15:56] <AlbertA> kgunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1302550
[15:57] <kgunn> yes
[15:57] <AlbertA> I see
[15:57] <AlbertA> ok I'll take a look
[16:27] <Saviq> tedg, yes, that will go away ultimately
[16:27] <Saviq> kgunn, the glDeleteTextures one?
[16:27] <tedg> Saviq, Will or has? I figured it was already gone :-)
[16:28] <Saviq> tedg, will, has not, yet
[16:28] <Saviq> kgunn, it happens on unity8 exit sometimes
[16:28] <tedg> Saviq, K
[16:28] <tedg> Saviq, Thoughts on the session shutdown?
[16:29] <Saviq> kgunn, so if you just go "while true; do restart unity8; done", you
[16:29] <Saviq> 'll get it after a few runs
[16:29] <Saviq> tedg, I think maybe we should just mimic the gnome-session api?
[16:30] <tedg> Saviq, It's pretty big as it deals with all the session management stuff. The command we're interested in is just "LogOut()"
[16:31] <Saviq> tedg, sure, we can start with that, and grow it as we go
[16:31] <tedg> Saviq, So really you are, if you want to call it LogOut I'm fine with that :-)
[16:31] <Saviq> tedg, think we should put this on the same interface name, or is that a bad thing to do?
[16:31] <Saviq> erm
[16:31] <Saviq> object path I meant
[16:32] <tedg> Saviq, I think it's bad for two reasons, one some but not all is kinda confusing, and two gnome-session is going away upstream. They probably won't keep the path either.
[16:32] <Saviq> tedg, there should be some fdo spec ;)
[16:33] <tedg> There's some work on that.
[16:33] <Saviq> oh, so maybe we could try and go towards that
[16:33] <tedg> Unfortunately it's mixing application management and session management.
[16:34] <tedg> They're focused on the inhibition problem, which we want to go through the Application Lifecycle stuff.
[16:35] <kgunn> AlbertA: camako ....scrollback saviq says just go "while true; do restart unity8; done" you'll hit it after a few runs...
[16:35] <kgunn> its an issue because unity8 is exited for our AP testing
[16:35] <kgunn> camako: AP == autopilot :)
[16:37] <Saviq> kgunn, camako, AlbertA, obvious issue for debugging is that it's running under upstart, you might want to run it under gdb, so `stop unity8`, export MIR_ things (you can check which in initctl get-env --global | grep MIR), and then loop it under gdb
[16:38] <Saviq> SIGILL on startup is expected, so you might go "gdb -ex run -ex continue unity8" or so
[16:39] <greyback> from the bug descriptiong, it's using the app screenshot code, so just starting/stopping unity8 probably won't reproduce it. You need an app to be running
[16:45] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, that description might be wrong
[16:45] <Saviq> greyback, i.e. I initially thought that
[16:45] <Saviq> greyback, but not sure any more
[16:45] <greyback> Saviq: ok
[16:45] <Saviq> I think I got it without apps, too
[16:53] <tedg> Saviq, So, I need a yes/no on adding a logout function. I'll take anything as the path/interface name that you'd like :-)
[16:53]  * tedg reloaded the bug
[16:53] <tedg> Saviq, Thanks!
[17:00] <Saviq> tedg, cheers, hope to make it happen next week
[17:27] <AlbertA> kgunn: I just noticed this branch hasn't landed for a while in papi:
[17:27] <AlbertA> lp:~andreas-pokorny/platform-api/fix-cross-compiling
[17:28] <AlbertA> kgunn: who needs to review it?
[17:29] <AlbertA> anpok:^
[18:29] <om26er> mzanetti, hi
[18:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, one for you: bug #1302761
[19:12] <kgunn> AlbertA: i got sidetracked...but on that papi MP...i'll try to land
[19:27] <AlbertA> kgunn: thanks
[19:45] <AlbertA> Saviq: thanks I used list-env
[19:45] <AlbertA> Saviq: however you do require something exercising the snapshot
[19:45] <AlbertA> Saviq: otherwise there's no texture to delete and no issue
[20:00] <AlbertA> kgunn: camako: I don't have a reproduction case yet, but I think this is simply a case
[20:00] <AlbertA> kgunn: camako: glDeleteTextures is called from a thread other than the one that created the texture
[20:01] <AlbertA> kgunn: camako: we should just do make current before deleting the texture as that object uniquely owns its gl context
[20:02] <camako> AlbertA: sounds good to me
[20:02] <Saviq> AlbertA, I wasn't sure it was limited to a screenshot case, but does make sense
[20:02] <kgunn> AlbertA: camako ...so, i suppose we'll wanna hot fix mir/trusty as well as devel
[20:04] <camako> AlbertA: we shld be careful that his doesn't get called too often... Makecurrent is expensive...
[20:04] <AlbertA> kgunn: so mir 18 has been promoted already?
[20:04] <kgunn> AlbertA: nope...
[20:04] <AlbertA> camako: we are already calling make current all the time :)
[20:04] <camako> AlbertA: Calling thread doesn't have a way of notifying the rendering thread, so it can call this?
[20:05] <AlbertA> camako: it's in the destructor though so it will be whatever that thread is
[20:05] <kgunn> in fact i was just wondering if i should grab the 018 tag version of devel...or go for the top of the tree ?
[20:05] <AlbertA> kgunn: I wondered about tagging minor version in devel
[20:06] <AlbertA> kgunn: then grabbin that...but don't kow if duflu would agree
[20:06] <kgunn> _exactly_
[20:06] <kgunn> i suppose 0.1.8 tag is safer...cause i know he tested it
[20:06] <AlbertA> camako: I suppose though we could shift the texture deletion to the stop call in the functor
[20:07] <AlbertA> camako: but then you have to touch the Pixel buffer interface which assumes no gl
[20:08] <AlbertA> camako: the GLPixelBuffer has no idea from what thread is being called
[20:09] <camako> Probably not a good place then...
[20:09] <AlbertA> camako: it any case, it's the destructor, which will only be called when the server is shutdown - so not often
[20:10] <camako> In my mind, all threads, should have a way of talking to the render thread when they want gl work done...
[20:10] <kgunn> probably more concerning that you say we're calling makecurrent "all the time" already
[20:10] <camako> But ok.. we'll get there I guess
[20:10] <AlbertA> kgunn: make current should only be expensive the first time I thought
[20:11] <AlbertA> kgunn: assuming you don't change thread contexts
[20:12] <kgunn> right, context switch is a buzz kill
[20:12] <AlbertA> camako: but in this case this is special work, it's not exactly rendering or compositing, it's snapshotting a client surface independently of compositing
[20:13] <camako> So glReadPixels?
[20:13] <AlbertA> camako: that's the current implementation yeah
[20:14] <camako> Hmm.. Why is it doing glDeleteTextures then?
[20:14] <AlbertA> camako: it's attaching the client surface, rendering to an fbo then glReadPixels
[20:15] <AlbertA> camako: attaching the client surface to a texture
[20:15] <camako> I see
[20:16] <AlbertA> camako: I don't have the history context on this
[20:17]  * AlbertA adds todo item to provide a platform specific implementation that just mmaps perhaps
[20:17] <camako> Calling makecurrent in this case is ok... But if there are all these threads hitting gl (and hence doing makecurrent) we shld pbably fix it in time
[20:18] <AlbertA> camako: well a gl context is created solely for the snapshoting, so it should be fine
[20:18] <AlbertA> camako: it should not perturb the compositor's gl context
[20:26] <kgunn> camako: alf would be the one to quiz in the snapshot case
[20:27] <camako> ok
[23:04] <AlbertA> kgunn: camako: https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/mir/fix-1256360/+merge/214355
[23:06] <AlbertA> kgunn: camako: I didn't get to repro the issue though - also I would think this would crash all the time...strange that reports don't say that
[23:06] <camako> AlbertA: that's curious
[23:07] <camako> AlbertA: I'd think that too