[00:00] <tacosarecool> Tek
[00:00] <tacosarecool> The update icon is a gear
[00:00] <Dragnslcr> I believe it's called update-notifier-kde
[00:01] <Tekhne> tacosarecool: hmm, no gear in my systray
[00:01] <Tekhne> Dragnslcr: okay, checking my packages...
[00:01] <Dragnslcr> Check your process list to see if it's running
[00:02] <jtisme> Tekhne, execute  qdbus | grep -i update  to see if it is running
[00:02] <Tekhne> Dragnslcr: okay, update-notifier-kde installed
[00:03] <Tekhne> Dragnslcr: `ps -ef | grep update` returns nothing
[00:04] <Tekhne> jtisme: `qdbus|grep -i update` returns nothing
[00:04] <condon> where do I choose my login program?
[00:07] <Tekhne> well, i found an "update manager" from the kde start menu
[00:07] <Tekhne> but it doesn't seem to go into the background
[00:07] <Tekhne> and run automatically
[00:09] <Tekhne> hmm, i wonder if my path is affecting this
[00:10] <Tekhne> i have another version of python installed in /usr/local
[00:10] <Tekhne> maybe at startup, the update manager dies because it find the wrong python
[00:10] <Tekhne> hmm
[00:10] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is it possible to show CPU usage in the taskbar or show an alert if the CPU stays at 100% for a while?
[00:12] <Tekhne> well, i'll try to fix this again another time
[00:12] <Tekhne> thanks for the help
[00:16] <demo_> Hey
[00:16] <demo_> How do I detect a new dislay on KDE 4.1 ?
[00:17] <demo_> display?
[00:22] <tukko> hello, i just installed kubuntu 8.10, is there something like a quicklauncher / a way to add applications to the panel?
[00:22] <Rioting_pacifist> can anybody recomend a good rpg thats finished, i played through alot kqlives only to find the story simply wasnt finished
[00:22] <condon> tukko, right click and add to panel (from menu)
[00:23] <tukko> condon: aaaaah thanks!
[00:23] <Rioting_pacifist> !games
[00:23] <condon> Certainly.
[00:24] <tukko> another question - kcontrol seems to be missing. how do i setup colors for kde3 apps (like konversation)?
[00:24] <demo_> !resolution
[00:26] <Rioting_pacifist> i dont think thats what hes looking for, erm ive not really played around with kde4 yet but can you not install kcontrol and then change the qt3 settings?
[00:27] <tukko> Rioting_pacifist: well if there where a kcontrol in the repositories i would. 8.10 just dropped everything :(
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> KDE4 only uses System Settings now
[00:28] <tukko> Dragnslcr: this will not change my kde3 settings.......
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I know
[00:29] <nejode> ...I think that the no inclusion of kcontrol is a big mistake
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> kcontrol was never ported to KDE4, it's not a matter of it not being included
[00:31] <tukko> JontheEchidna: not including kcontrol for kde3 is a big mistake....
[00:32] <nejode> still, all those little no-go's all sum up to a big dissapointment
[00:32]  * tukko will probably switch back to 8.04 ....
[00:33]  * nejode hasn't even upgraded
[00:33] <MadneX> the widget of twitter  crash every time i open with 8.10 is that happend to everyone here too?
[00:34] <tukko> i mean - i had plasma crash in like 10 minutes using it....
[00:34] <delilaz> hello all, anyone know which version of flashplayer dapper drake started out with?
[00:35] <Alan_Lockwood> Hi. Does someone know how to get preview of mi image files on Dolphin? Im using Kubuntu 8.10.
[00:35]  * tukko has yet to spot an advantage of kde4 over kde3 from an end-user perspective.. :(
[00:36] <al3x-admin> Hi all. I have a problem. I have a WiFi in my hose, 1 PC (mine, Kubuntu 8.10 x64) and 1 laptop (Vista, x64). Network works fine in my PC while the laptop is off, but when I start up the laptop, it "takes" all the WiFi, and my conexion goes almoust done. I mean, while the laptop is off I have 75% streight, and when the laptop is on I get only 10%. What could be?
[00:36] <asmith_> It's pretty!  ..... slow.
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Alan_Lockwood: you can either hit the Preview button in the toolbar or View -> Panels -> information
[00:36] <Alan_Lockwood> Oh! The Preview Buttom. Thank you.
[00:39] <nejode> al3x-admin: man, that's the first time I've heard that... it "steals" al the wi-fi!!
[00:39] <al3x-admin> nejode: yes! it "steals" it. I swear!
[00:40] <al3x-admin> "swear" is the right word?
[00:40] <lavacano201014> al3x-admin: Not to be rude or anything, but you have Wi-Fi in your HOSE? I envy you. Websurfing while you garden...
[00:40] <al3x-admin> jejeje =) Yeah
[00:41] <nejode> ...wow, maybe that's a job for "GhostBusters" lol!
[00:41] <al3x-admin> The thing is that if I dont find a solution soon, I'll drop the laptop throo the window xD!
[00:41] <nejode> or CSI Las Vegas
[00:42] <tukko> i ain't afraid of no packages!
[00:42] <al3x-admin> Is there some "hack" or something to make Kubuntu "steal" wifi like Vista on that laptop ?
[00:42] <al3x-admin> Or some "hack" to make Vista not to steal all the wifi
[00:43] <delilaz> does anyone know which version of flashplayer dapper-drake started with?
[00:43] <nejode> al3x-admin: if you had a bandwith drop because of many machines conected I can understand
[00:44] <tukko> delilaz: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/flashplugin-nonfree
[00:44] <genii> !info flashplugin-nonfree dapper
[00:44] <nitr0ix> did anyone tryed fallout 3 with wine?
[00:44] <genii> delilaz: See above
[00:44] <tukko> al3x-admin: maybe run tcpdump or wireshark to see if some crazy program uses up all bandwidth
[00:44] <al3x-admin> nejode: But its just that f****** laptop. No more machines.
[00:45] <al3x-admin> Wireshark? man wireshark?
[00:45] <tukko> sudo apt-get install wireshark  :-)
[00:46] <genii> nitr0ix: See the !appdb factoid
[00:46] <nejode> al3x-admin: stange man... really weird
[00:46] <tukko> (wireshark is gui, tcpdump is terminal)
[00:46] <al3x-admin> Ok, I'm installing it now  (thanks god laptop is off now)
[00:46] <al3x-admin> Ok, installed =). I'll have a look ;)
[00:47] <delilaz> genii: thanks much :)
[00:47] <genii> delilaz: You're welcome
[00:48]  * tukko still searches for a justification to use kde4/kubuntu 8.10 :(
[00:49] <al3x-admin> Ok, I started it and I started monitoring the wlan0 interface and I get a lot of things. Now what? What should I search for ?
[00:49] <tukko> al3x-admin: well.. erm.. look for something suspicious :)
[00:50] <tukko> like exit all programs that are not relevant and you should basically see no traffic at all..
[00:50] <nejode> tukko: I like to play around with KDE4, but no use it on my work machines
[00:50] <tukko> if not - something is wrong..
[00:50] <tukko> nejode: i have the same impression...
[00:51] <nejode> ...and that legacy video card dropout is relly killing me :-(
[00:51] <alesan> nejode, you better do that :) KDE4 has a long way before being usable in a production environment
[00:51] <tukko> nejode: that's why i find it strange 8.10 does not include kde3 at all...
[00:51] <al3x-admin> Offtopic tukko&nejode: I use KDE4.1.3 and its usable =)
[00:51] <al3x-admin> I mean, I do all the things that I want, without problems
[00:52] <alesan> al3x-admin, *usable* ok, but would you base your daily job on it?
[00:52] <alesan> that is why I switched to gnome. me, that I have used KDE since 0.9...
[00:52] <al3x-admin> I dont have any other OS's or environments, so... ¿yes?
[00:52] <tukko> al3x-admin: but i can't see anything it does *better* than kde3... and *usable* is a very loose term..
[00:52] <nejode> ..Ive got 1 Gforce4, 1 MX-400, 1 ati X300 and a integrated X200... none are supported in 8.10
[00:52] <al3x-admin> yeah, more apps are still on QT3
[00:53] <al3x-admin> but someday... :)
[00:54] <al3x-admin> Ok, I have been watchiing wireshark for 3 minutes with all apps closed, and I steel see a lot of things/traffic
[00:54] <al3x-admin> Now what?
[00:54] <nejode> Opensuse and mandriva give you the option to install KDE3
[00:54] <nejode> Arch too
[00:54] <tukko> al3x-admin: not really sure. try to narrow down where the connections go and so on.. a bit "intuition"..
[00:54] <asmith_> I remember the 8.10 release notes talked about how to keep 3.5
[00:56] <asmith_> I remember wrong apparently
[00:58] <nejode> well, I'm staying with hardy until KDE4.2 (january???) and I can buy motherboards and graphic cards... ;-(
[00:58] <jtisme> has anyone figured out how to 'save multiple desktop konsole sessions' between invocatoins of kde
[00:59] <jtisme> 'save session' does not work
[00:59] <al3x-admin> Destination "HonHairPr_56:8e:1c" and a list of IP's
[01:00] <al3x-admin> Protocol "TCP" & "LLC"
[01:12] <nitr0ix> boom
[01:15] <tukko> is there a way to get two rows of tasks in the task manager?
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> I wish there was
[01:18] <tukko> another tick on the "switch back to 8.04" list :(
[01:26] <ign0ramus> hey all... trying to backup my music to (NTFS) external HDD... but it keeps failing on any non-standard characters (like the umlauts in 'Husker Du').  Is there a way to force this, or at least a way to skip over these instead of just stopping the whole process?
[01:27] <foormea> hi
[01:27] <mrksbrd> what command will tell me the url to my printer, i need top reconfig it
[01:27] <tukko> ign0ramus: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#locale
[01:28] <foormea> i don't understand how to 'resize my workspace by clicking the upper right thinggy', so that i could have different workspaces
[01:28] <ign0ramus> tukko: checking link... tia
[01:32] <ign0ramus> tukko: ok, so how do i set ntfs-3g binary to setuid-root?
[01:33] <ign0ramus> tukko: the article explains that this should allow the special characters, but I'm a bit stymied on how to enable this feature on ntfs-3g
[01:34] <ign0ramus> I'm guessing ' chmod 4755 /bin/ntfs-3g  ' would work, right?
[01:34] <tukko> ign0ramus: hum, i don't think it has to do with setuid.
[01:34] <tukko> ign0ramus: it's the locale=XXXX that is wrong...
[01:35] <ign0ramus> tukko: i read the part about special characters, too, but it doesn't say how to configure it... it just says that it is capable of it...
[01:35] <ign0ramus> tukko: and i'm assuming this is an ntfs-3g issue, as i can copy/paste any of the offending files elsewhere on the internal HDD
[01:35] <tukko> ign0ramus: try to  sudo mount -o remount,locale=en_US.UTF-8 /your/mount/point
[01:36] <tukko> (or the proper locale it is in..)
[01:36] <ign0ramus> tukko: my mount point being ' media:\sdb1 ' where the HDD is located?
[01:36] <ign0ramus> and yes, 'en' would be proper
[01:36] <tukko> should be /media/sdb1 then
[01:37] <ign0ramus> tukko: "mount: can't find /media/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[01:37] <tukko> mh
[01:37] <tukko> "sudo mount" without options should tell you the mount point
[01:38] <ign0ramus> ! /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk ...... so "/media/disk" ?
[01:38] <tukko> yeah, looks like
[01:38] <ign0ramus> worth a shot :)
[01:39] <nejode> plain "mount" should say what's mounted and where
[01:39] <ign0ramus> tukko: still fails on japanese characters :/
[01:39] <ign0ramus> nejode: i can't copy files with special characters to ntfs HDD... any ideas?
[01:39] <tukko> on source or target? ;)
[01:40] <tukko> like when reading or when writing?#
[01:40] <foormea> ign0ramus: by letting the install mount my ntfs drive automatically, it would mount it with certain options and chinese support would work like a charm on ntfs
[01:41] <foormea> but i don't use ntfs any more though :| sorry
[01:41] <ign0ramus> foormea: no, it mounts automatically, but no love for umlauts and asian characters :(
[01:42] <nejode> ign0ramus: this is my fstab (and I work in spanish)>UUID=BC14CBF414CBB026 /media/winxp    ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46,utf8 0       1
[01:42] <foormea> ah. if you know what options to use then add it to fstab using uuid or label?
[01:42] <ign0ramus> foormea: that i could do, only i have no idea what would allow non-utf8 characters... that's kind of the issue :)
[01:42] <writher> Anyone know if it is possible to increase the icon size in dolphin past the normal maximum amount under Dolphin Prefs ->View Modes -> Icons Tab -> Change Icon and Preview Size...
[01:43] <foormea> ign0ramus: ohh okay sorry i didn't know it was about NON-utf8... i'm not sure then. i've had problems with chinese and couldn't really fix them. never really tried though :D
[01:43] <writher> I am on a 30" Display with large resolution and even the largest setting is suboptimal for icon preview size
[01:44] <ign0ramus> Now, if I formatted the external to ext3, I could probably transfer easily, but will I be able to transfer to my Windows box?
[01:45] <foormea> using the ifs driver?
[01:45] <ign0ramus> foormea: i don't understand... I'm just saying format HDD to ext3, copy files, and then transfer those files to Windows box from external.  Do I need to utilize the ifs driver?
[01:46] <foormea> if i get your problem right, you want to copy your japanese files to your usb drive, then copy these files from usb drive to a windows box
[01:46] <foormea> it you're using ext3, you'll need ifs driver under windows to read the ext2/3
[01:47] <nejode> foormea: not if he is using linux to copy the files
[01:48] <foormea> yeah
[01:48] <foormea> how about network transfer?
[01:48] <foormea> may save trouble
[01:49] <chrisruls00> I'm trying to install a plasmoid called "I hate the cashew", but the cmake command keeps giving me an error!
[01:50] <joe__> i was woundering, has anyone heard of jaguar os???
[01:50] <chrisruls00> It can't find a file called FindKDE4Internal.cmake
[01:50] <joe__> a friend of mine told me about it and i would like to know where to get it  ^_^  can anyone help me out???
[01:52] <joe__> i was woundering, has anyone heard of jaguar os?
[01:52] <joe__> a friend of mine told me about it and i would like to know where to get it  ^_^  can anyone help me out???
[01:53] <nejode> uhhmmm...sound like a MacOS
[01:54] <genii> !piracy
[01:54] <genii> joe__: I imagine your local Apple dealer may sell it to you :)
[01:54] <joe__> yeah i know that's the thing though i don't know anything about mac's
[01:55] <joe__> cuz i heard from a friend of mine that it was made by hacker's and only hacker's would be able to get into the system, is that true???
[01:55] <joe__> i DO NOT want it, but i was just woundering if the os is true
[01:55] <genii> joe__: No idea, this is the Kubuntu support, not MacOS
[01:55] <joe__> i now
[01:56] <joe__> know*
[01:56] <delilaz> anyone know why when a diff user tries to read a memory card it the pc won
[01:56] <delilaz> won't accept it? I already gave the other user admin power...
[01:56] <genii> joe__: Why not ask in channel ##apple
[01:57] <joe__> ok fine i thought that u guy's would be able to help me out but i'll ask them then
[01:57] <genii> joe__: Thanks, and good luck
[01:57] <joe__> sure thing, thnx  ^_^
[01:58] <genii> delilaz: Maybe they are not in the plugdev group
[01:58] <chrisruls00> Can anyone tell me how to install plasmoids in 8.10?
[01:59] <delilaz> genii: cool  I'll go change that right now :)
[02:01] <delilaz> well I hope that does it, would be an easy fix to the other problem lol
[02:02] <ign0ramus> nejode | foormea : ok, i've unmounted the external, formatted as ext2 with gparted, files are copying happily :)
[02:02] <ign0ramus> nejode | foormea: so now will my Windows box be able to read the external?
[02:02] <foormea> ign0ramus: your windows box is running windows yeah?
[02:03] <ign0ramus> foormea: um, yes ?
[02:03] <foormea> or you're planning to boot using a livecd or you have a linux installed on your windows box?
[02:03] <foormea> okay
[02:03] <foormea> then
[02:03] <foormea> ifs drive is your friend
[02:03] <ign0ramus> foormea: so i have to install the ifs driver on the Windows box, and then XP will be able to read ext2?
[02:03] <joe__> what's a really good os that is almost anti-hackable???
[02:04] <ign0ramus> if it weren't for cell phone syncing and MS Exchange, i wouldn't use it at all
[02:04] <foormea> ign0ramus: yeah. just run the install program of ifs drive. you don't even have to reboot
[02:04] <nejode> ign0ramus: worked with ext2 and not ext3???
[02:04] <foormea> just go to control panel and assign a drive letter
[02:04] <ign0ramus> nejode: yep... 17gb copied so far :)
[02:04] <joe__> what's a really good os that is almost anti-hackable???
[02:05] <ign0ramus> joe__: there is no such thing.
[02:05] <solid_liq> joe__: Linux ;)
[02:05] <foormea> joe__: openbsd
[02:05] <solid_liq> joe__: yeah, openbsd is the closest
[02:05] <nejode> ign0ramus: well, today is the day
[02:05] <ign0ramus> nejode: i tried ext2 first because I figured Windows would have an easier time with a legacy filesystem
[02:06] <solid_liq> joe__: but a properly configured Linux distro with SELinux is pretty close
[02:06] <foormea> ign0ramus: ext3 is readable by ext2 drivers
[02:06] <joe__> what about ubuntu???
[02:06] <foormea> if ext2 is readable, so is ext3
[02:06] <ign0ramus> foormea: but for Windows to be able to read it, i figured there would be more support for the older filesystem
[02:06] <foormea> so you can safely use ext3
[02:06] <solid_liq> ign0ramus: there's a driver for windows to allow windows to read ext3 partitions
[02:06] <ign0ramus> foormea: unless you mean under ifs
[02:06] <foormea> ign0ramus: nah ext3 is backward compatible with ext2
[02:06] <ign0ramus> !ifs
[02:07] <solid_liq> and ext4 is backwards compatible with ext3 and ext2
[02:07] <ign0ramus> foormea: i know, but what does that have to do with Windows being able to read it?
[02:07] <foormea> ign0ramus: yes because it is made forit
[02:07] <ign0ramus> foormea: ok, i see what you're saying now :)
[02:07] <foormea> it doesn't matter on the OS you're using
[02:08] <foormea> oops. doesn't matter WHAT OS you're using
[02:08] <foormea> sorry, bad english :|
[02:08] <solid_liq> ign0ramus: and you want to use ext3 not ext2, because ext3's journaling gives you much better protection against filesystem corruption
[02:08] <joe__> then how do i config my ubuntu from hacker's than but i still wanna be on the net do'n stuff, can anyone help me out???
[02:08] <foormea> joe__: don't do anything. that will do
[02:08] <jtisme> lol
[02:08] <solid_liq> joe__: oh, for a desktop, not a server?
[02:09] <ign0ramus> solid_liq: this was a bit of an experiment... I just wanted to copy music from my Linux lappy to the ol' Windows box... I'll probably wipe it and format it ext3 after this is done :)
[02:09] <joe__> yes, for my desktop
[02:09] <joe__> ^_^
[02:10] <solid_liq> joe__: just don't run samba, and you're fine.  Make sure also that  PermitRootLogin  in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is set to  no
[02:10] <ign0ramus> joe__: I think you are too worried about hackers.  If they want something, they will get it.  Just be a smart user.
[02:11] <joe__> what's samba? ok how do i set it to no?  u got it
[02:11] <solid_liq> joe__: other than that, you can always use NoScript in Firefox (an extension you can download for it)
[02:11] <joe__> ^_^
[02:11] <lucax> anyone know how to enable direct rendering for just one user?
[02:11] <joe__> how do i do noscript in firefox???
[02:11] <solid_liq> joe__: edit the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and you'll see by all the other settings around it how to set it to no.  it's easy
[02:11] <benjamin__> go to the add on site and isntall it
[02:12] <foormea> ah and why not use TOR also to browse the internet?
[02:12] <lucax> any one know how to enable direct rendering for just one user?
[02:12] <foormea> come on. being careful is one thing, being paranoid is another
[02:12] <ign0ramus> foormea: ok, almost done here... do i want the IFS drive to be my primary (C:) Windows drive?
[02:13] <solid_liq> joe__: samba is the program which lets windows computers on the network talk to your computer like it's a windows computer (see files on it, etc, through network neighborhood).  it's not 100% secure because it has to obey microsoft's design so that windows computers can talk to it, but microsoft is terrible when it comes to security, so they're protocol is insecure by its design
[02:13] <foormea> i don't thnk you could do that as C: should already be used by your system drive
[02:13] <jtisme> lucax, so i can get educated what is  'direct rendering' please
[02:13] <ign0ramus> foormea: that was the default setting, but I can easily change it...
[02:13] <foormea> ign0ramus: it shouldn't work even if you can pick C:
[02:14] <lucax> jtisme: hardware acceleration
[02:14] <joe__> oh ok, i didn't know that untill now, thnx  ^_^
[02:14] <ign0ramus> foormea: actually, it won't let me change it :/
[02:14] <jtisme> lucax, ahh thanks
[02:14] <solid_liq> *their
[02:14] <foormea> ign0ramus: cannot change? mh try rebooting then. from my experience, it happens sometimes that it doesn't work straight away after install
[02:15] <lucax> i just want to enable one user to use the 3d effects, i dont want the first one that logs in to have them
[02:15] <joe__> i'm gonna do that thing /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set all to no
[02:15] <joe__> ok?
[02:15] <foormea> joe__: should already be to no
[02:15] <foormea> plus
[02:15] <foormea> ubuntu has no root user by default
[02:15] <joe__> well they r not
[02:16] <ign0ramus> foormea: rebooting
[02:16] <jtisme> no root pw does have a root user
[02:16] <joe__> so i'm gonna do all of them to no
[02:16] <foormea> so unless you add one, it won't make a difference
[02:16] <foormea> oh? okay sorry :)
[02:16] <foormea> yeah that's true
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone else had problems with knotify crashing every time it tries to play a sound? The backtrace ends in phonon, so I assume that's the problem
[02:17] <joe__> i'm gonna show u what i do have in
[02:17] <joe__> # This is the ssh client system-wide configuration file.  See
[02:17] <joe__> # ssh_config(5) for more information.  This file provides defaults for
[02:17] <joe__> # users, and the values can be changed in per-user configuration files
[02:17] <joe__> # or on the command line.
[02:18] <jtisme> joe__, i would only set root login to no  setting others to no will cause problems
[02:18] <jtisme> setting everything to no that is
[02:18] <joe__> i'm srry for that
[02:18] <joe__> i didn't know it was gonna do that
[02:18] <joe__> yeah i know i'm an idot
[02:18] <joe__> i'm srry
[02:18] <batcoder-7> i mgiht have to install a windows partition
[02:18] <roobix> hi there.. i had a great hardy kubuntu setup.. and ive just fresh installed (with a new hdd) intrepid and i have 2 hardware problems. First my wireless (ath) is detected by iwconfig but network manager wont show any networks. and second my intel 945 graphics are glitchy.. i get a flash of corruption every 10 seconds or so. anyone aware of these issues?
[02:18] <jtisme> just prevent root login if it makes you feel more secure
[02:19] <ign0ramus> foormea: hmmm... (after reboot) http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99644166dy9.png
[02:19] <jtisme> roobix believe the 2nd item is a known problem check launchpad
[02:20] <ign0ramus> roobix: for the network issue, you may want to try wicd... seems to 'just work' for most folks
[02:20] <foormea> ign0ramus: is there nothing down the list?
[02:20] <joe__> so what should i put to no then???
[02:21] <ign0ramus> foormea: you're seeing what I'm seeing... and there are no options to change anything
[02:21] <joe__> in the ssh_config file???
[02:21] <foormea> ign0ramus: i have no idea, sorry
[02:21] <ign0ramus> foormea: np, thanks for the help so far.
[02:21] <foormea> np
[02:22] <ign0ramus> foormea: i guess i could always stick a livecd in the ol Windows box, and copy files to the HDD that way, right?
[02:22] <foormea> yeah
[02:22] <joe__> what should i put to no in the ssh_config file???
[02:22] <foormea> but it's weird that the ifs is not working
[02:23] <ign0ramus> foormea: well, i haven't got to test it yet, but it's strange that it defaulted to C: - i just kept it at the default during install
[02:23] <jtisme> joe__, PermitRootLogin
[02:23] <jtisme> to no
[02:23] <foormea> no no
[02:23] <foormea> your C: here in the ifs menu is your normal C system drive
[02:23] <lucax> is it possible to let konqueror use webs fonts instead of its own fonts configuration?
[02:24] <joe__> i don't see it in my ssh_config file
[02:24] <jtisme> joe__, but PermitRootLogin should default to no
[02:24] <jtisme> sshd_config joe
[02:25] <joe__> oh ok i was in the wrong file
[02:25] <joe__> lol
[02:25] <joe__> i'm an f'n idot
[02:25] <joe__> lol
[02:25] <jtisme> no u ar not
[02:26] <jtisme> just made a mistake
[02:26] <joe__> where is it located sshd_config?
[02:26] <jtisme> /etc/ssh
[02:26] <joe__> yeah i know i do that alot
[02:26] <roobix> ign0ramus: i have a suspicion that this flicker on my screen is related to display hotplugging.. can i disable that somehow?
[02:26] <joe__> i'm try'n to get better at linux and i just keep gett'n bad at it
[02:26] <joe__> lol
[02:26] <jtisme> me too
[02:26] <ign0ramus> roobix: try using the vesa driver
[02:26] <jtisme> about every 2 minutes
[02:27] <joe__> there's a problem
[02:27] <jtisme> which is
[02:27] <joe__> i only have moduli file and ssh_config file NOTHING else i see in the folder?
[02:27] <jtisme> then the ssh deamon is not loaded
[02:28] <joe__> how do i load it?
[02:28] <jtisme> apt-get install sshd...
[02:28] <jtisme> let me see
[02:28] <jtisme> apt-get install openssh-server
[02:29] <jtisme> sudo first
[02:29] <joe__> got it
[02:29] <joe__> and it's installing
[02:29] <ign0ramus> roobix: does it still flicker after restarting X?
[02:29] <joe__> now what will it do again?
[02:29] <joe__> lol
[02:29] <jtisme> it will allow incoming ssh requests
[02:30] <joe__> got it
[02:30] <joe__> when it's done what else?
[02:30] <ign0ramus> going out for scotch.  thanks everyone.
[02:30] <jtisme> just check sshd_config for the PermitRootLogin and make sure it is set to no
[02:30] <joe__> have fun
[02:31] <joe__> got it should i put anything else to no?
[02:31] <binMonkey> hey, guys.
[02:32] <jtisme> joe__, no leave the rest as is until you understand more about sshd
[02:32] <x_link> Hi.
[02:32] <joe__> got it
[02:32] <x_link> Do I need to install any codecs for audacious?
[02:32] <binMonkey> update-notifier is hogging up my cpu.  does anyone else have this problem?
[02:33] <joe__> it wont let me
[02:33] <joe__> he document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/ssh/sshd_config.
[02:33] <joe__> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[02:33] <joe__> that's what it tell's me
[02:33] <joe__> wtf
[02:34] <nejode> "sudo"
[02:34] <x_link> Anybody?
[02:34] <joe__> i did
[02:34] <joe__> i'll do it again
[02:35] <lucax> how do i let konqueror use webs font?
[02:35] <lucax> it always uses sans
[02:36] <joe__> i did and still nothing
[02:36] <joe__> wtf
[02:36] <BluesKaj> x_link: not sure, what are you planning to play on it ?
[02:36] <binMonkey> x_link: do you mean other than the w32 codecs?
[02:37] <x_link> Just playing some .mp3
[02:37] <x_link> Nothing happens when I open a mp3 with it.
[02:37] <joe__> help, please???
[02:38] <joe__> how can i get it so that i can config sshd_config???
[02:38] <BluesKaj> x_link: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:38] <x_link> Okej.
[02:38] <x_link> I will try it now.
[02:38] <jtisme> joe__, what is the problem
[02:39] <x_link> BluesKaj: Nix, nothing happens.
[02:39] <joe__> i am trying to have PermitRootLogin say no instead of yes and it wont let me in sshd_config, can anyone help me out?
[02:39] <jtisme> what editor r u using
[02:39] <joe__> kate
[02:40] <joe__> i think
[02:40] <jtisme> from the gui
[02:40] <roobix> ign0|afk: yes.. it flickers all the time
[02:40] <joe__> i don't know
[02:40] <jtisme> joe__, kate from the gui
[02:40] <joe__> ok then yes
[02:41] <jtisme> joe__, i always work in Konsole mode so dont know how to tell kate to start under su control from gui
[02:41] <joe__> how do i do that?
[02:41] <scribbles> sudo kate
[02:41] <joe__> in the termainal?
[02:42] <scribbles> yea
[02:42] <jtisme> true but he has to be in a konsole window first right
[02:42] <joe__> ok hold up a sec
[02:42] <joe__> it worked
[02:43] <joe__> should i put anything else to no???
[02:43] <jtisme> joe__, no not at present
[02:44] <joe__> got it, thnx for the help ^_^
[02:52] <scribbles> Why is there a \n \l at the end of the default /etc/issue?
[02:53] <_2> newline linefeed
[02:53] <scribbles> so next line, then what does linefeed do?
[02:59] <pteague> i'm not sure this is a good thing & i'm afraid to reboot my computer - http://pastebin.com/d2f306b3f
[03:00] <_2> scribbles man getty says that it will read \n as        n      Insert the nodename of the machine, also known as the  hostname.
[03:00] <_2> scribbles and \l as          l      Insert the name of the current tty line.
[03:00] <scribbles> ahh
[03:00] <desendeasi> hi
[03:00] <desendeasi> pls help me
[03:00] <_2> scribbles man pages are an amazing thing.
[03:01] <fat32VSntfs> hey I tried to fromat my HD as NTFS & it seems to crash & completely shut down my system!!, does kubuntu not support this format? should I use fat32? even tho I hear it's slower = )
[03:01] <benjamin__> fat32VSntfs use ext3
[03:01] <desendeasi> i didnt install my ati driver pls help me
[03:01] <_2> fat32VSntfs for what ?
[03:02] <_2> fat32VSntfs use an ms filesystem for what ?
[03:02] <desendeasi> ????
[03:02] <desendeasi> pls
[03:02] <fat32VSntfs> I just thought I'd get faster performance with kubuntu useing NTFS than fat32
[03:02] <desendeasi> i have ati mobility readon hd 2400
[03:02] <desendeasi> pls help me
[03:02] <huydq-vietnam> Hi all !
[03:03] <huydq-vietnam> Hi , everybody
[03:03] <huydq-vietnam> I install ubuntu server 8.10
[03:03] <_2> fat32VSntfs we are still not communicating.    using that format for what ?    what are you going to store there ?
[03:03] <desendeasi> me. too
[03:03] <huydq-vietnam> and intalling successfully
[03:03] <huydq-vietnam> but
[03:04] <huydq-vietnam> When i remove CD-ROm UNBUNTUSERVER  to reboot system
[03:04] <desendeasi> pls help me
[03:04] <fat32VSntfs> I'm just formating my entire HD & want to know what to use fat16?,  fat32?
[03:04] <desendeasi> pufffffff
[03:04] <benjamin__> you need to tell us what you plan on storing on the drive
[03:04] <_2> fat32VSntfs if you can't answer my question, i can't answer yours.
[03:04] <huydq-vietnam> i have no MENU boot choice !
[03:04] <benjamin__> for instance, if you are going to isntall kubuntu, then you need to do things like have a swap partition
[03:05] <desendeasi> help help help help help help help help help help help
[03:05] <benjamin__> we need information
[03:05] <huydq-vietnam> And can not boot hdd ,
[03:05] <huydq-vietnam> Please help me 1
[03:05] <benjamin__> desendeasi: did you try instaling it from adept?
[03:05] <jtisme> !please
[03:05] <jtisme> !help
[03:05] <desendeasi> benyes
[03:05] <desendeasi> yes
[03:05] <desendeasi> but didint it
[03:05] <benjamin__> huh?
[03:05] <fat32VSntfs> I'm installing kubuntu to use for anything, music files, software programs, etc..
[03:06] <_2> benjamin__ swap partition is not "required"   a filesystem with permissions and ownership bits is.
[03:06] <benjamin__> ah
[03:06] <pteague> fat32VSntfs: if you're installing kubuntu on it, use ext3... don't use the ms crap filesystems
[03:06] <_2> fat32VSntfs you can't use either ntfs nor fat
[03:06] <huydq-vietnam> And i have input cd-rom UNBUNTUserver to boot from CDrom , and choice boot from HDD
[03:06] <_2> fat32VSntfs see my post to benjamin__ ^  you have to have a real filesystem
[03:07] <desendeasi> benjamin
[03:07] <desendeasi> pls help me
[03:07] <desendeasi> benjamin_
[03:07] <fat32VSntfs> umm ok where's your post?
[03:07] <_2> fat32VSntfs use something like ext2, ext3, rieserfs, nfs, or any other unix supporting filesystem
[03:08] <benjamin__> desendeasi: did you install the drivers?
[03:08] <desendeasi> no i couldnt
[03:08] <ptl> choose XFS! :D
[03:09] <benjamin__> okay, why not?
[03:09] <desendeasi> i dont konow
[03:09] <desendeasi> i m new for linux
[03:09] <desendeasi> i install kubuntu 8.10
[03:09] <benjamin__> well did it give you some sort of error message when it didn't install?
[03:10] <desendeasi> but ati driver not dont install
[03:10] <desendeasi> yes
[03:10] <benjamin__> okay, what did it say?
[03:10] <desendeasi> this driver is 2d but your card 3d
[03:10] <benjamin__> huh?
[03:10] <desendeasi> it say this
[03:10] <_2> !grub > huydq-vietnam
[03:11] <desendeasi> benjamin__ you konow ati mobility readon hd 2400 driver?
[03:11] <benjamin__> specifically, no
[03:12] <desendeasi> what can i do?
[03:12] <_2> !ati > desendeasi
[03:13] <desendeasi> ok ubottu
[03:13] <desendeasi> pls wait
[03:17] <legodude> so, I just installed 8.10 swimmingly
[03:17] <legodude> now when I boot off my disk, X fails to load
[03:17] <legodude> "no screens found"
[03:17] <_2> !nv
[03:18] <marco_> how do I procede to configure kubuntu to lock the screen before suspending to RAM?
[03:18] <legodude> sorry, should have been more clear
[03:18] <legodude> after bootup, I installed the nv driver, 177
[03:18] <legodude> then after restarted, I got that error
[03:19] <_2> i bet there are bug reports all over launchpad dot net about that
[03:19] <legodude> ooh, digital output problems
[03:20] <legodude> strange, because I just did a similar install on a similar computer
[03:20] <legodude> and had no problems
[03:20] <ptl> how do I prevent gconfd-2, gvfsd, evolution-data-server and other gnome crap from autoloading when I start KDE?
[03:20] <marco_> can I make kubuntu to lock the screen before suspending to ram?
[03:21] <_2> ptl kcontrol used to provide a methood of configuring startup proccesses
[03:21] <marco_> my computer sucessfully suspends to ram, but I wish it could ask for my password before letting anyone use the computer freely
[03:21] <_2> marco_ i'm sure it can be done.   i'm not sure how.
[03:22] <mamefan> In KDE3 krdc would close when I ended an RDP session.  Now in KDE 4 it stays open.  Is there some way I can have it automatically close when the remote session ends?
[03:23] <ptl> _2: I have added some kill $(...) script on autostart but this is not elegant.
[03:23] <ptl> _2: let me check on 'system settings' from KDE...
[03:23] <marco_> _2: seems like it's that way for many things in this OS though :-(, but thanks
[03:25] <mamefan> In KDE3 krdc would close when I ended an RDP session.  Now in KDE 4 it stays open.  Is there some way I can have it automatically close when the remote session ends?
[03:28] <_2> marco_ yeah well it must be the off season around here.  i'm  a console guy  and running dapper    so trying to help kde users, using ibex is like a kindergarden teacher trying to teach an after grad physics class      i'm just not really qualified for ti.
[03:28] <_2> it
[03:28] <_2> don't know where all the "real" help is.
[03:30] <neptunepink> hellos, I'm having a NIC problem. It's showing up in /dev and everything, but it doesn't do any kind of networking. dhclient doesn't work... what to do?
[03:31] <_2> neptunepink what's it connected to ?
[03:31] <neptunepink> An ethernet cable. And then a router.
[03:32] <neptunepink> ^^ -> _2
[03:32] <_2> neptunepink lights work on the router ?
[03:32] <FrozenFire> Hi all, I've just installed Kubuntu Intrepid a few days ago. I've kept completely up-to-date with updates. For some reason, FireFox, Adept, and Ubuntu itself keeps crashing. FireFox crashes constantly, every few minutes. Adept crashes randomly without warning. Ubuntu itself just crashed when Adept was fetching package lists. There are never any crash reports offered. Any suggestions for troubleshooting?
[03:33] <neptunepink> _2: Yes, a very solid green light on both ends.
[03:33] <_2> i'm thinking maybe poor connection, or wrong port if the router supports both streight and cross over cat5
[03:33] <neptunepink> Of course, I'm reaaaalllllly out of date, I think, so maybe I should just burn it. :/
[03:33] <neptunepink> !liveusb
[03:34] <_2> FrozenFire log files in /var/log/  might help.
[03:36] <FrozenFire> _2, There are many log files. Can you suggest a specific one?
[03:36] <_2> neptunepink one other question, does the router suport dynamic ip's ?
[03:36] <_2> FrozenFire X* sys* k*
[03:37] <neptunepink> _2: Yeah. I guess. Hmm. ^M Other issue: I've got kubuntu-kde4-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso, and when I boot off of that, it dumps me to busybox.
[03:39] <_2> neptunepink that will be because it can't find it's butt with both hands...  err i mean can't find the rootfs device to mount   probably looking for the cd/dvd drive and not seeing anything there
[03:40] <_2> neptunepink you can manually mount the propper fs from the busybox shell and continue    if you know how.
[03:41] <neptunepink> I have some skill with a blade^wcommand line. But soon as I get the FS mounted, what would I run?
[03:41] <_2> neptunepink this router,  does it have firmware?    switch?    or is it just a broadcast router ?
[03:42] <neptunepink> Firmware? Yes. It's a linksys wireless-G thingie. And it's worked very happily before. It is the computer that is new.
[03:42] <_2> neptunepink you would just exit the busybox.   init will take over.
[03:42] <neptunepink> Ah, okay then.
[03:42] <_2> neptunepink jsut mount "probably the casperfs" on /root and exit
[03:42] <benbloom> k quick partition question: if I want to format my second SATA drive to just be a storage point. should I create an extended partition with an ext3 filesystem on it? how do I make it mount automatically? I'm using gparted (unless someone has a better solution)
[03:44] <_2> benbloom the question about partitions is only answerable by you.  it's totally choice.   i don't even use a partition just an fs on the disk.  but that is unhandy to most.   as to how to get it to automount,  put a line in your fstab.
[03:44] <msl__> benbloom: There is no need to make it an extended partition.
[03:45] <msl__> You will need a line such as '/dev/sdb1  /media/stuff    ext3    relatime  0       2'  in your /etc/fstab
[03:45] <_2> msl__ true and as i said, it wont hurt anything either.  it's all choice.
[03:45] <benbloom> msl__: gparted gives me two choices 1) extended 2) primary
[03:46] <msl__> If there will only be one partition, you may as well make it primary...
[03:46] <_2> benbloom that's because gparted is a partition editor
[03:47] <benbloom> ok. Last time I tried that I ended up breaking grub. I thought it was making the part a primary that did that \
[03:47] <_2> which is best primary or extended?   which is best xfs or ext3?   which is best vim or emacs?   which is best twm or gnome?     it's all about personal preferance.
[03:48] <edju> I repartitioned the disk, and somehow got the parts in the wrong order - it's sda1, 3 then 2.  Doesn't seem to affect anything, but is there a way to reorder them, non-destructively?
[03:49] <benbloom> ok. i thought having 2 primary drives confused boot loader
[03:49] <_2> edju yeah. but dont
[03:49] <_2> benbloom no.  it doesn't.
[03:50] <msl> benbloom: Why partitioning, you can have 4 primary partitions per drive, or 3 primary partitions and n extended partitions.
[03:50] <_2> benbloom having too many primary partitions on one disk will confuse grub tho
[03:50] <edju> _2, why not?
[03:50] <_2> edju more trouble than it's worth
[03:52] <_2> msl actually you can have more than four primary   but most bios can't deal with it.  and linux doesn't like it.   but it's still possable.
[03:52] <benbloom> I was thinking about setting up a / a /home/benbloom/ and a /home/benbloom/media i have 2 SATAs (320, 750) and one USB2.0(500) want to make it so I can back up all data on seperate drives
[03:52] <writher> Anyone know if it is possible to increase the icon size in dolphin past the normal maximum amount under Dolphin Prefs ->View Modes -> Icons Tab -> Change Icon and Preview Size...I am on a 30" Display with large resolution and even the largest setting is suboptimal for icon preview size
[03:53] <_2> benbloom i would sujest clipping benbloom/ from the second one.   just make it /home  you might want to add other users
[03:55] <_2> writher reduce the rez ?   ;/     not what you wanted i know.
[03:57] <_2> i don't understand why developers always seem to make every thing look nice on their 96" try-polar flat screen, and forget that for the rest of us everything will be to small to see.
[03:59] <_2> heh. "sujest"  super user make joke   :)))
[04:04] <MrInternet> What are the SATA cd-drives supposed to be called in /dev?
[04:05] <_2> scd#  or possably hd?
[04:05] <_2> look for scd0
[04:06] <_2> MrInternet  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/13418
[04:10] <mot_> is it at all possible to use kde 3.5.10 in kubuntu 8.10?
[04:11] <mot_> i mean i know the devs tweaked something, but, it's not possible is it?
[04:11] <_2> !patience
[04:11] <mot_> wtf?
[04:11] <condon> Is there a way to opacify konsole?  Not necessarily no background, just like 50%?
[04:11] <_2> mot_ i don't see why not.
[04:11] <condon> without plugins I mean
[04:11] <mot_> _2 well, i installed kde 3 but it simply doesn't show up in kdm
[04:12] <mot_> i don't know what the devs changed or what has been changed to "block" access to 3.5.x i was wondering if anybody knew off-hand
[04:12] <condon> When I drag it around sometimes it goes half opacity until I click on it, is there a way to get this effect on purpose?
[04:12] <QContinueum> it's my understanding that 3.5 does not work in 8.10
[04:12] <jtisme> mot_ i have seen several posts on google that say you can but that is the extent of my knowledge
[04:12] <scribbles> Why would "ssh-keygen -i -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys" cause "uudecode failed."
[04:13] <harry__> Hi I need some help adding a couple of ntfs partions into fstab
[04:14] <mot_> harry__,
[04:14] <mot_> /dev/sdXX       /MOUNT_PATH        ntfs-3g         defaults,rw 0 0
[04:15] <harry__> ahh ntfs-3g thanks for that ^-^. Have a nice day
[04:15] <_2> ssh-keygen -t rsa
[04:15] <binMonkey> mot_: did you just do that from memory?
[04:16] <mot_> nope i'm drunk i copied it from /etc/fstab
[04:16] <mot_> normally though, i can tell you that the syntax in /etc/fstab is DEVICE PATH TYPE OPTIONS
[04:17] <binMonkey> dang.  i was going to plus one you.
[04:17] <mot_> if you look at fstab or mtab it's pretty easy to figure out how to mount stuff if you look at what other stuff already has entries
[04:17] <mot_> oh you can plus one me. c'mon now i did that whilst drunk :P
[04:17] <binMonkey> i feel like such a child.  :(
[04:17] <mot_> i mean, i do know the syntax, i just wanted to make sure i was right.
[04:17] <binMonkey> +1 for the answer
[04:17] <scribbles> _2: I just need to add the -t rsa flag to it?
[04:17] <binMonkey> +25 for drunken ircing.
[04:18] <MrInternet> _2: I can't find casper.  It cannot find XGL
[04:19] <magi> can anyone help me?
[04:19] <condon> I'll +10 you if you tell me if there's a way to give my konsole transparency
[04:19] <mot_> hmm, how can i figure out what the newest kernel in the 8.04 repos is?
[04:19] <binMonkey> isn't it in konsole profiles?
[04:20] <stdin> mot_: see what version linux-image-generic depends on
[04:20] <condon> text size, smoth fonts, color of text, but little else I can find int here
[04:21] <mot_> the only thing stopping me from going back to 8.04 is the fact that i need at least 2.26.x+ to use my wifi
[04:21] <binMonkey> condon: sorry.  i was thinking of yakuake.
[04:21] <mot_> stdin, can i do that from within 8.10 per chance?
[04:22] <binMonkey> try yakuake.  it's cool.
[04:22] <stdin> !info linux-image-generic hardy
[04:22] <stdin> so 2.6.24-21
[04:22] <mot_> :( not recent enough
[04:23] <scribbles> "ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" should this take longer than 30 seconds?
[04:24] <binMonkey> condon: go back to profiles, new profile, option for transparency.
[04:25] <binMonkey> condon: sliding scale for transparency.
[04:25] <condon> Ah...thanks man
[04:25] <stdin> scribbles: it's probably asking you for input, look at ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and see if anything unusual is at the end
[04:26] <stdin> scribbles: "ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -t rsa" then "ssh-copy-id localhost" would be easier IMO
[04:27] <stlewis> Is there anyone that might have any insight in to why an atheros wireless card would be utterly undetected on a fresh install of 8.10?
[04:27] <scribbles> stdin: yea its trying to generate a new pair
[04:27] <scribbles> stdin: all I want to do is append the id_rsa key I just generated to the blank authorized_keys file I just created
[04:28] <mot_> hmm i wonder if any 3.5.10 distros contain 2.6.26+
[04:28] <mot_> !info linux-image-generic jaunty
[04:28] <stdin> scribbles: then just "cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[04:29] <stdin> jaunty is not really opened yet
[04:39] <jtisme> i need to write a  .desktop  startup file can anyone point me to that type of info
[04:40] <stdin> jtisme: you need to write one by hand?
[04:40] <stdin> or just need to create one?
[04:40] <jtisme> stdin, i need to create one and place the app on a particular desktop
[04:41] <jtisme> in other words i need to know how to tell the .desktop file  geometry= x,y,H,D
[04:42] <stdin> I don't think the desktop file can contain that type of information
[04:42] <jtisme> oh, too bad
[04:42] <jtisme> i hate starting up apps and having to move them to another desktop
[04:42] <stdin> KWin can take care of that though, from Advanced -> Special Application Settings
[04:42] <stdin> (from right-clicking the title bar)
[04:43] <jtisme> ok let me look
[04:43] <condon> in terminal, how do I navigate to directories with multiple words in their name?
[04:43] <stdin> condon: easiest way is to use the <TAB> key
[04:43] <jtisme> stdin yes looks promising thanks
[04:43] <stdin> but you need to bash-slash the spaces
[04:44] <stdin> "cd /home/me/some\ dir/"
[04:44] <stdin> or quote it 'cd "/home/me/some dir"'
[04:44] <condon> awesome, thank you
[04:46] <jtisme> stdin that did it thanks
[04:46] <stdin> np :)
[04:47] <jtisme> stdin lots of folks are bitterly complaining about kde4 but it is the changes they are complaining about there is a learning curve but what the heck
[04:48] <stdin> people never like change
[04:48] <stdin> especially when it's with something they are comfortable with
[04:49] <jtisme> yes i was a little surprised as my first experience w kde4 was 8.10 about a week ago but i am learning and i like it
[04:49] <legodude> I wish there was a good intro guide to kde4
[04:50] <jtisme> legodude, i suspect with it changing so much at this time a  good intro would be difficult it is just too massive
[04:50] <legodude> is the rate of change still that high?
[04:51] <jtisme> i suspect there are still a lot of changes in the works
[04:52] <stlewis> Besides its fun to hose your desktop a few times trying to learn it :D
[04:52] <legodude> anyone have experience with two nvidia cards?
[04:54] <jtisme> actually the brain shrinks overtime if it does not learn new things
[04:57] <legodude> any advice for nvidia driver not finding any monitors?
[05:00] <scribbles> Oct 31 18:49:34 stephen-desktop su[6084]: Successful su for nobody by root <--- should this line be in my auth.log?
[05:06] <justinforasec> Hi everyone, can someone help me with Wubi?
[05:09] <justinforasec> afiestas?
[05:27] <condon> OK, have a little issue
[05:28] <condon> I clicked something (possibly a right click) a day or two ago, completely forgot what I'd done, and have no idea how I did it, but now in google, when searching google images, there are no images, just text/img data (320 x 320 - 18k - jpg)
[05:28] <condon> Any idea how to get the image preview back?
[05:30] <condon> no one know anything about this?
[05:38] <QContinueum> which browser?
[05:42] <dig> Can I ask a bash question here?
[05:42] <condon> QContinuem...first off, sweet name :) secondly, Firefox
[05:43] <condon> 3.0.3 in Intrepid
[05:46] <dig> hi, I have this: find -name .wget-list -execdir download.bash ';' -----> It complains that it cannot find download.bash
[05:47] <binMonkey> condon: check page style in ff under view menu.
[05:49] <ptl> dig: well, that's because you don't have a directory download.bash directly below where you are.
[05:50] <condon> All I have is "No Style" and "Basic Page Style" - Basic is selected and under No Style I lose all formatting, no images, you can barely tell it's a web page
[05:54] <binMonkey> condon: sorry.  that's all i have.
[05:54] <condon> Gonna just try to reinstall firefox
[05:55] <condon> is there a 'reinstall' feature in apt-get that might keep my favorites intact?
[05:55] <condon> anyone know?
[05:57] <dig> ptl: interesting, even I move to the directory, which has the download.bash. It still complains no such file or dir. btw, the command is based on http://www.linux.com/articles/59457
[05:57] <knoob> anyone feeling helpful tonight?
[05:58] <condon> I always feel helpful, I just rarely am
[05:58] <knoob> ok well
[05:58] <knoob> you can give it a shot
[05:58] <knoob> i have a grub error on boot
[05:58] <condon> 42
[05:59] <knoob> and dunno how to fix it
[05:59] <knoob> 17 and 21
[05:59] <knoob> 21 if my external hd is plugged in
[05:59] <knoob> 17 if not
[05:59] <knoob> either way i cant boot anything
[05:59] <knoob> kubuntu xp or vista
[05:59] <knoob> all i can do is run off of the live cd, which i am right now
[05:59] <condon> hm...yeah, that's WAY beyond my sorry arse.
[06:00] <knoob> no prob
[06:00] <knoob> ill just chill on here
[06:00] <condon> sorry man, hopefully someone more useful is around
[06:00] <condon> I usually just ask the question once every 15 minutes, usually get great help within an hour :)
[06:00] <knoob> nice
[06:06] <aparedes> knoob: go to a terminal. type sudo grub   then type find /boot/grub/stage1 after that it should give you the hd partition your grub is located in
[06:06] <condon> sometimes less than an hour :)
[06:06] <aparedes> after that type root (hd0,0) or what ever you get
[06:07] <condon> Don't suppose you know what would cause me to lose preview images in google (images section)?  Removed firefox and reinstalled, still gone.
[06:07] <knoob> ok i can do the from the live cd?
[06:07] <aparedes> after that type setup (hd0) or what other hd you are using and that should do the trick
[06:07] <aparedes> yeah that is where you should do it
[06:07] <binMonkey> condon: backup your ~/.mozilla file before you reinstall.
[06:08] <condon> ok...maybe I didn't uninstall it enough.  I have my bookmarks in place
[06:08] <binMonkey> are you sure basic page is checked?
[06:08] <knoob> it says error 15 file not found
[06:09] <condon> Yep, it's checked.
[06:09] <condon> the only other setting I see leaves the page looking horribly discombobulated
[06:11] <aparedes> knoob: what about find /grub/stage1
[06:12] <knoob> same :(
[06:12] <binMonkey> ok.  move  your ~./mozilla/bookmarks.html, aptitude remove --purge firefox, reinstall ff, add the bookmarks.html into .mozilla.
[06:13] <binMonkey> and before you reinstall make delete whatever ./mozilla file you have in ~.
[06:13] <knoob> Error 15: File not found
[06:18] <condon> is there a way to remove a directory and it's contents at once?
[06:19] <binMonkey> yes, but don't unless your sure.
[06:19] <alesan> condon, rm -r directory_name or using konqueror, delete it with the shift key pressed
[06:20] <condon> thank you.  And thank you for the warning as well.
[06:21] <binMonkey> sorry.  i didn't mean to sound like a jerk.
[06:21] <condon> Oh no, not at all
[06:21] <alesan> in the case you delete something you didn't want to, what I usually do is to turn off the machine by unplugging the cord, booting with a livecd and "grep"-ing /dev/sdaX for the content of some files I remember.
[06:21] <condon> I understand how devistating arbitrarily deleting directories can be
[06:22] <alesan> this will only work for text-based files.
[06:22] <binMonkey> alesan: what is the sdaX part?  like "grep /dev/sda/mp3s" or something like that?
[06:22] <alesan> no
[06:23] <alesan> /dev/sda1 if sda1 is the partition you have deleted files from
[06:23] <alesan> you won't have any visibility or directories at this level.
[06:24] <binMonkey> ok.  i think i get it.
[06:25] <alesan> by grepping /dev/sda1 you are having a look at the raw partition
[06:25] <condon> ok, I'm doing something horribly wrong or god hates me.  I sudo aptitude remove --purge firefox, it says done done done done done, no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed, done done so on and so on
[06:25] <alesan> no directory structure, nothing, the files may be fragmented
[06:25] <condon> and it's still there.
[06:25] <binMonkey> alesan: oooooook.  i get it.
[06:26] <alesan> condon, why don't you use adept?
[06:28] <condon> doing that now.
[06:28] <condon> Do I need to restart for it to 'take hold' or should I be able to turn around and install from scratch?
[06:29] <binMonkey> you shouldn't need restart.
[06:31] <condon> now that it's removed, is it safe to remove the .mozilla folder from my home/user/ directory?
[06:31] <condon> given I don't care about the bookmarks, settings, etc?
[06:31] <binMonkey> yes.
[06:32] <knoob> anyone know how to fix a grub error?
[06:32] <knoob> from boot up
[06:33] <knoob> error 17
[06:33] <condon> beautiful, worked like a charm.  Thank you guys so much.
[06:35] <ptl> knoob: dunno, I am afraid you'll have to try googling for it.
[06:36] <knoob> aight
[06:37] <kkathman_> so how is everyone finding the upgrade to ibex??
[06:37] <condon> It's fun when I'm not reinstalling all the crap I screw up along the way :)
[06:40] <knoob> is there any way to completely format my kubuntu partition and remove the grub loader?
[06:40] <knoob> start fresh
[06:40] <condon> I should think you should be able to
[06:40] <condon> from a live-cd if nothing else
[06:41] <knoob> i cant figure out how to
[06:41] <condon> I had a good one a while back, but couldn't tell you for the life of me which it was, for stuff like that.  google 'live cd distros' and look for one that lets you actually alter the harddrive contents without installing (from the live gui session)
[06:41] <condon> any of them should have tools for formatting
[06:41] <condon> just have to know which partition you want formatted and know enough about the program to just do that one and not the whole drive.
[06:42] <condon> out of my range (could do it if I absolutely had to, I'm sure, but would sweat balls through the whole process)
[06:49] <ptl> kkathman: I found lots of bugs, but nevertheless Intrepid Ibex is nice. KDE 4.1 is amusing.
[06:50] <kkathman> ptl ok
[06:50] <kkathman> ptl I have a very stable 8.04 right now, but I do know its harder and harder to upgrade if you get too far behind
[06:50] <kkathman> ptl also I have both kubuntu and ubuntu  (i.e. gnome and kde) on my install
[06:51] <kkathman> I've know that aspect to sometimes have deleterious effects
[07:16] <master_> Is kubuntu going to have an automatic update for openoffice 3, or should I just uninstall the kubuntu package and download/install openoffice 3 myself?
[07:16] <Tonio> ciao raga
[07:16] <Tonio> I am Italian
[07:16] <Tonio> I want a server Italian
[07:16] <master_> Tonio: We have a pizza named after you.
[07:17] <master_> in the U.S.
[07:17] <Tonio> XD
[07:19] <HollowPoint> !it
[07:20] <HollowPoint> master you may be better off doing just exactly that, I'm still on 8.04 and my Open Office installation is a manual one
[07:21] <master_> HollowPoint: thanks.. downloading it now
[07:22] <dwidmann__> Seeing as it seems to be a popular release, it *might* get a backport if we're lucky.
[07:22] <HollowPoint> or possibly not
[07:24] <TeslaTony> I have a Razer Lycosa keyboard, which has media controls. I have had the controls work before, but now they don't. Anyone know how to fix this?
[07:26] <HollowPoint> is this since an upgrade Tesla?
[07:26] <TeslaTony> 8.04 to 8.10
[07:27] <TeslaTony> However, it never worked properly in KDE4 in 8.04, but it partially worked
[07:27] <TeslaTony> Now? Kaput
[07:27] <HollowPoint> yeah it's probably less to do with KDE4 and more to do with Xorg
[07:28] <HollowPoint> 8.10 uses the absolute latest Xorg server, so you may find that the media keys will just start working after a few Adept updates but right now it may not have the appropriate drivers available for the new Xorg
[07:28] <TeslaTony> That narrows things down
[07:40] <thomas_> hello
[07:40] <miresio> Hello everybody:)
[07:41] <thomas_> lot of people in here... no one is saying much though haha
[07:41] <miresio> yeah you are right
[07:41] <TeslaTony> Yeah. We're so good, we've already solved everyones problems and have nothing left to do
[07:42] <thomas_> haha, is anyone else having problems getting on kubuntuforums.net?
[07:42] <miresio> thomas I have got
[07:42] <vikku> ok heres one ... when i selec turn off from log off option ....system halts but doesnt power off ...anyting i need to fix ?
[07:43] <thomas_> mine does that when i restart it
[07:43] <thomas_> never reboots
[07:43] <vikku> ok
[07:44] <miresio> I downloaded kubuntu 8.10 and I burned but its very slow
[07:44] <thomas_> heh, I cant get my graphics card to work
[07:44] <miresio> I can not set my network
[07:45] <thomas_> Is there some trick to installing kubuntu on a computer with 2 video cards in it?
[07:45] <miresio> I havent got any idea
[07:45] <thomas_> cause I cant get the restricted drivers to enable
[07:46] <thomas_> and when I do get it enabled it screws up my Xserver thing and I cant get KDE to load... it just boots up the command line
[07:49] <miresio> annisa hi
[07:53] <ptl> a-ha... the sun is rising, cool
[07:53] <dig> really
[07:54] <dig> ptl: you don't sleep?
[07:54] <HollowPoint> it set here about 2 hours ago
[07:54] <ptl> dig: I do, in the morning and afternoon. I work on the night shift (midnight to 8 AM)
[07:55] <ptl> where are you, HollowPoint?
[07:55] <HollowPoint> NZ
[07:59] <ptl> Cool. head lots of cool stuff about there.
[07:59] <ptl> *Heard
[08:00] <HollowPoint> none of its true
[08:01] <ptl> lol... why not?  How can I install them all?
[08:47] <master_> Obviously, they require some sort of order...  depend on eachother..
[08:47] <master_> Or... should I just install the .tgz version to make it simpler?
[09:01] <student__> tgz
[09:01] <student__> cs
[09:03] <zorglu_> q. if i upgrade my 8.04 into 8.10, will it switch to kde4 ?
[09:15] <TheAncientGoat> Hey guys, after an update to 8.10 my DiNovo Edge keyboard stopped working, audio playback isn't up to scratch, xorg is being most despondent, and plasmoids has crashed on me..
[09:15] <robin0800> zorglu_: yes
[09:16] <zorglu_> robin0800: no way to prevent it ?
[09:19] <robin0800> zorglu_: you could always uninstall it afterwards but how much of kde 3.5 will work with 8.10?
[09:19] <TheAncientGoat> Might the kkeyboard errors be caused by me having to fix my xorg settings, or a the general update?
[09:19] <zorglu_> hmmm
[09:20] <robin0800> zorglu_: install ubuntu 8.10 no kde at all
[09:20] <zorglu_> robin0800: im thinking about the possible alternatives... maybe kde4 is not that buggy and ugly... but i would need to spend more time to test that....
[09:21] <zorglu_> robin0800: or i switch to gnome but i would need more time to see how to configure it properly
[09:21] <zorglu_> robin0800: ok i simply dont update and postpone the resolution of this problem at 3month from now :)
[09:22] <robin0800> zorglu_: you would still have kde 3.5 if you only upgrade!
[09:23] <zorglu_> robin0800: ok thanks
[09:23] <robin0800> zorglu_: three months kde 4.2 will be out
[09:24] <zorglu_> robin0800: how buggy is kde4 at the moment ?
[09:26] <robin0800> zorglu_: I think peoples milage varies but latest version is 4.1.3 which according to kde is mainly bug fixes
[09:27] <zorglu_> robin0800: ok i think i will try kde4 in a brand new install in a VM. and see how usable it is
[09:27] <zorglu_> robin0800: thanks for your time and information
[09:28] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to solve this problem with `aptitude update`? "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]"
[09:34] <carbono> spanish
[09:35] <carbono> spanis?
[09:43] <cassie> hello
[09:49] <Tesssa> anyone help someone new to kubuntu and linux
[09:50] <marek_> hi, what is the best tool to recover data from ext2 partition with bad superblock?
[09:50] <TheAncientGoat> Tesssa: Just ask
[09:53] <Tesssa> ok after trying ubuntu and it worked perfet i tried and installed kubuntu 8.10 and about every 20 seconds the screen of my flatscreen monitor blips of and on doesnt do it in ubuntu
[09:53] <Tesssa>  i have a nvidia graphics card
[09:53] <Tesssa>  ubuntu downloaded the correct nvidia driver for it kubuntu won't
[09:54] <Tesssa> it tells me i have to find the nvidia-177 kernal source package,, why and wheere do i find it
[09:54] <zeltak_> hi guys
[09:55] <zeltak_> does anyone know how to make the laptop go into suspend when i close the lid in intrepid?
[09:55] <Tesssa> excuse the typos
[09:56] <TheAncientGoat> Try the package manager
[09:56] <Tesssa> in kubuntu
[09:57] <TheAncientGoat> Yep
[09:57] <TheAncientGoat> Dan
[09:57] <Tesssa> can't understand why ubuntu finds and installs it and kubuntu won't
[09:57] <Tesssa> but will try and thanks
[10:00] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to solve this problem with `aptitude update`? "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]"
[10:03] <TheAncientGoat> Only 3 plasmoids under the kdelook autoinstaller?
[10:12] <vlt> There's a more detailed err msg: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[10:12] <vlt> Any idea?
[10:12] <vlt> 0  Dir::State::lists=lists/ Config-Item: Dir::State::cdroms=cdroms.list Config-Item: Dir::State::userstatus=status.user Config-Item: Dir::State::status=/var/lib/dpkg/status Config-Item: Dir::Cache=var/cache/apt/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::archives=archives/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::srcpkgcache=srcpkgcache.bin Config-Item: Dir::Cache::pkgcache=pkgcache.bin Config [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:16] <dxdemetriou> kde4 on intrepid is very slow on intel dual core 2GHz with 4GB ram
[10:18] <mehrab> I have problem installing flashplugin, after downloading files, it says MDFsum is mismatched, why?
[10:18] <SlimeyPete> because the download got corrupted?
[10:19] <mehrab> SlimeyPete: I tried many times and always the same
[10:19] <mehrab> SlimeyPete: didn't you have any problem?
[10:19] <SlimeyPete> I've had no problem but then I am using 8.04
[10:20] <lokai> what is the name of a compiz effects manager?
[10:24] <sebr> what package do i need to reinstall if i totally fucked up plasma?
[10:25] <edulix> hi
[10:25] <raw> hey guys, after upgrading from 8.4 KDE Remix to 8.10 my KDE 4 System Settings manager shows up blank, no icons or menus, just a white window.  Has anyone else experienced this and figured out how to fix it?
[10:26] <lokai> raw: KDE4 is really, really buggy
[10:26] <TheAncientGoat> Amen to that
[10:26] <edulix> I'm using intrepid, and network manager works, but it doesn't automatically connect to the available & configured wireless network of my house, I have to right click the NM icon and tell it to connect
[10:26] <raw> lokai: it was working much better before I upgraded, and I've been using it since it's original release
[10:27] <lokai> it shouldn't have been released -- I just spend about 10 hours fighting with it and I've given up -- I'm back to 8.04/kde3
[10:27] <raw> lokai: yeh, I'm used to fighting with it though, I know the ins and outs of reloading the settings from scratch when things screw up and all of that, but this particular issue has something to do with the upgrade rather than being an actual kde 4 bug
[10:27] <lokai> the middle mouse button (wheel button) is button2, correct?
[10:27] <DaHopi> mmh im using kde4 since 8.04 in production environment.. i love it.. :)
[10:28] <edulix> lokai: kde4 is not that buggy, works fine for me :P probably is a problem with your system or you're used to a concrete kde3 feature which kde4 doesn't have yet?
[10:28] <raw> kde 4 is a glorified fluxbox right now, but it's usable
[10:28] <lokai> edulix: lol. go google kde4 reviews and see if its just a problem on my side.
[10:28] <tin> anyone using multiple desktops? does kicker show up on all of them?
[10:28] <edulix> okey so does network managerautoconnect to available wireless networks for you?
[10:28] <tin> on 3.5.10
[10:28] <brady> hey, how do I go about configuring my Synaptics Touchpad in Kubuntu 8.10?
[10:28] <DaHopi> tin: yeah 2 Desktops, Kicker on both sides
[10:28] <raw> lokai: give an example of problems you were having with it?
[10:29] <lokai> keybindings don't work
[10:29] <edulix> lokai: if you were talking about KDE 4.0 I would agree that it was not very usable, but KDE 4.1 is a different beast
[10:30] <raw> 4.0 was brutal
[10:30] <lokai> whatever not worth arguing over.
[10:30] <brady> I have tried installing packages that I used with ubuntu 7.10, to no avail
[10:30] <lokai> the middle mouse button (wheel button) is button2, correct?
[10:30] <robin0800> lokai: even 4.1.3 is now available mainly bug fixes
[10:30] <lokai> I'm waiting for 5.
[10:30] <lokai> the middle mouse button (wheel button) is button2, correct?
[10:31] <raw> lokai: heard you the first 4 times, checking...
[10:31] <robin0800> lokai: 4.2 in january
[10:31] <lokai> thanks raw
[10:31] <tin> damn, kicker's not following for me
[10:31] <tin> weird
[10:32] <brady> anyone?
[10:32] <raw> lokai: it should be 2, but it might be considered button 3, and then up scroll is button 4 and down scroll is button 5
[10:32] <lokai> thanks
[10:35] <brady> ok, I got the configuration package installed for KSynaptics, however, I am having trouble with "SHMConfig" in xorg.conf
[10:35] <brady> any ideas?
[10:35] <brady> it apparently needs to be "on" but that string doesn't exist in the file
[10:35] <TheAncientGoat> Any clue why kio_http is taking up 50% of my cpu time?
[10:37] <raw> ah I see, I have a feeling that most of the kde4 issues are from still having the old *-kde4 packages, so to fix the systemsettings package you'd do apt-get remove systemsettings-kde4 && apt-get install systemsettings or something
[10:37] <brady> raw, was that aimed at me?
[10:37] <robin0800> brady: xorg.conf has beenmuch depreciated in 8.10 now only mouse and keyboard which it says may be configured elsware time to do some research
[10:37] <brady> ok
[10:38] <brady> I am fairly new at linux, I won't lie
[10:38] <brady> is there anyway of viewing installed packages?
[10:38] <raw> brady: no, I'm having problems with kde4 right now after an upgrade from hardy to ibex (8.4 - 8.10) and I think I've found what's causing the majority of the issues
[10:38] <brady> Apparently I installed KSynaptics, but I cannot find it anywhere
[10:39] <brady> raw: thanks for clarifying
[10:39] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to solve this problem with `aptitude update`? "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]"
[10:39] <robin0800> brady: don't worry this has thrown many experienced users
[10:39] <vlt> There's a more detailed err msg: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[10:39] <vlt> 0  Dir::State::lists=lists/ Config-Item: Dir::State::cdroms=cdroms.list Config-Item: Dir::State::userstatus=status.user Config-Item: Dir::State::status=/var/lib/dpkg/status Config-Item: Dir::Cache=var/cache/apt/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::archives=archives/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::srcpkgcache=srcpkgcache.bin Config-Item: Dir::Cache::pkgcache=pkgcache.bin Config [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:39] <vlt> Any idea?
[10:40] <brady> One thing I like about windows is that I can determine exactly what I have installed, here, it seems to be almost a mystery
[10:40] <raw> brady: aptitude search '~i'
[10:40] <raw> that'll list all installed packages
[10:40] <raw> there will be a lot
[10:40] <brady> oh ok
[10:41] <raw> the package management system isn't as simple as what you'd find in windows, but it's much more powerful, you'll get used to it
[10:41] <brady> ok, now, about this Ksynaptics package
[10:41] <robin0800> right click on the launcher choose menue editor there are option to show hiden items and lost and found
[10:42] <raw> do you need it installed or no?
[10:42] <brady> it is installed, and apparently running
[10:42] <raw> ok...
[10:42] <brady> though I wouldnt know how to launch it, it isnt in KDE Control Center
[10:42] <brady> or "System Settings" in 4.1
[10:43] <brady> the error I get is related to the xorg.config file
[10:43] <robin0800> brady: it may be hidden or lost
[10:43] <raw> brady: try just pressing alt-f2 and then typing ksnaptics in to the run box
[10:43] <brady> tried, and failed
[10:43] <brady> nothing
[10:44] <raw> try typing it in to a console
[10:44] <raw> see what message is displayed after you try
[10:44] <raw> aha... apt-get install kubuntu-desktop removes all of the old kde4 packages and installs the new ones
[10:44]  * raw gives it a whirl
[10:45] <brady> I get ksynaptics: command not found
[10:45] <raw> brady of... try this then...
[10:45] <raw> from commandline: find . / -name "*naptics*"
[10:46] <raw> and then you're specifically looks for files located under bin directories
[10:46] <brady> nothing
[10:46] <raw> hmmm
[10:47] <Jahman> hi
[10:47] <brady> whats strange is that there is an icon in my "Task Manager" if you will of Ksynaptics
[10:47] <raw> ohhhhhhhhhh
[10:48] <brady> It appeared sometime after I installed the package
[10:48] <raw> brady: ksynaptics is a control center plugin
[10:48] <brady> ok
[10:48] <raw> are you using kde3 or kde4?
[10:48] <brady> 4.1
[10:48] <raw> yeh, it's designed to work with kde3
[10:48] <raw> so it won't work for you
[10:48] <brady> so how should I uninstall it?
[10:48] <raw> apt-get remove ksynaptics methinks
[10:49] <raw> or whatever the package name is
[10:50] <brady> any ideas of how I can control my touchpad in kde4 then? or did they remove that functionality, in which case it is stupid
[10:50] <brady> I figure since I can use the touchpad, there is someway to control it
[10:50] <Sarasvati> Hello
[10:51] <raw> brady: what do you mean by "control"?
[10:51] <brady> disable
[10:51] <brady> on demand
[10:52] <brady> I am sick of typing and accidentally clicking on stuff
[10:52] <raw> oh, no, kde4 is still in fairly early stages, so functionality like that hasn't been included yet
[10:52] <Sarasvati> Does anyone here know how to export a text document to a freemind document? Last time I dod it it was typing something in the Konsole, but I just forgot what..
[10:52] <raw> they are focussing on polishing up the core features
[10:52] <brady> so they release an unfinished product? brilliant...
[10:53] <brady> it seems like such a basic thing too
[10:53] <raw> I think they released it since it's fairly useable now, and this is the only real way to push support/development for it
[10:53] <raw> if no one is using it then the development pace is much slower
[10:53] <raw> since there's less testing/development work
[10:55] <raw> brady: also, just to point out, that ksynaptics was a third party plugin, it wasn't actually released from the kde development team in the first place
[10:56] <brady> ok, I am trying to remove it, but I am getting "Couth not open lock file"
[10:56] <brady> Could*
[10:56] <raw> generally when you get that message it means that something else is using aptitude
[10:56] <raw> do you have it running somehow in another window or something?
[10:56] <brady> no
[10:57] <raw> ok, then do killall aptitude and try again
[10:57] <brady> no process killed
[10:57] <raw> and if that doesn't work then just delete the lock file that it's referencing
[10:57] <Sarasvati> Guess nobody knows around here... or doesn't pay attention :P I'll try later
[10:57] <brady> huh
[10:57] <raw> Sarasvati: that's not a really common import/export
[10:58] <arshad> HI saraswati from INdia
[10:58] <raw> Sarasvati: you might want to try google some more?
[10:58] <Sarasvati> Well I did it before, just forgot how to do it :)
[10:58] <Sarasvati> I made a text document, and changed it to a mm-file in Konsole, but I forgot what I typed :P
[10:59] <Sarasvati> No, in the Netherlands :P
[10:59] <raw> brady it should show like a lock file, and the path to it, you need to delete that file by doing rm /path/to/file
[10:59] <raw> brady: then aptitude should work again
[10:59] <Sarasvati> Tried to google it, but couldn't find it there... I'm horrible when it comes to findinf stuff like that
[10:59] <brady> what is aptitude btw?
[10:59] <raw> brady: though, if you have the GUI based package manager open, that would cause issues too
[10:59] <raw> brady: if you do, then close it
[10:59] <brady> raw: I dont
[11:00] <raw> brady: aptitude is the package manager.  When you type apt-get, apt stands for aptitude
[11:00] <brady> I dont think I have aptitude, which is strange, it looks like I am using Adept
[11:00] <raw> brady: can you paste the exact error you're getting?
[11:00] <brady> sure
[11:00] <raw> brady: Adept is just an interface for aptitude
[11:01] <White_Pelican> will kde 4.1.3 be available for hardy?
[11:01] <brady> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:01] <brady> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:01] <Sarasvati> Ah shoot, still can't find it...
[11:01] <raw> brady: close Adept so that it unlocks aptitude, then try that again
[11:01] <brady> adept is not open
[11:02] <raw> oh wait
[11:02] <raw> are you root?
[11:02] <brady> what does that mean?
[11:02] <raw> it's the administrator account
[11:02] <brady> yes?
[11:02] <raw> try this...
[11:02] <raw> at the commandline type in su
[11:02] <raw> then your admin password
[11:02] <raw> the one you set when you installed kubuntu
[11:03] <brady> I get "unknown ID: <password>"
[11:03] <raw> no no
[11:03] <raw> just type su alone
[11:03] <raw> and hit enter
[11:03] <raw> then it'll prompt you for a password
[11:03] <brady> ok
[11:03] <brady> Authentication Failure
[11:03] <White_Pelican> then he needs to type sudo before the command and then put in his user password
[11:04] <raw> White_Pelican: he might not have sudo installed, and he might not be in the /etc/sudoers file
[11:04] <raw> brady try typing sudo su
[11:04] <raw> and see if it prompts for a password
[11:04] <brady> yup
[11:04] <brady> and now I am apparently ro
[11:04] <brady> ot
[11:04] <raw> good
[11:04] <arshad> How d we use sudo -k
[11:04] <arshad> ??????????//
[11:04] <raw> now try that apt-get command again
[11:05] <arshad> anyone can help me out
[11:05] <brady> yup
[11:05] <brady> worked
[11:05] <brady> thanks my man
[11:05] <raw> good
[11:05] <raw> np
[11:05] <brady> or woman
[11:05] <brady> lol
[11:05] <raw> nah, i'm a dude
[11:05] <raw> :P
[11:06] <raw> you can exit sudo mode and go back to regular user mode by typing exit
[11:06] <brady> what exactly is sudo mode?
[11:06] <raw> sudo is a utility that allows you to run a program as root
[11:06] <raw> and "su" is the super user program that allows you to take on root privileges or the privileges of any account on the system
[11:07] <raw> so by typing sudo su, we were essentially launching the super user app as root using sudo
[11:07] <brady> oh ok
[11:07] <raw> you can also use sudo just to run one command
[11:07] <raw> like... you could have just done: sudo apt-get remove ksynaptics
[11:07] <raw> and it would have just run that one command as root
[11:08] <raw> where as sudo su gives you an actually commandline as root
[11:08] <raw> actual*
[11:08] <Machtin> hey guys, where to set my resolution?
[11:08] <brady> there has to be some way to disable this damn touchpad
[11:10] <raw> Machtin: you can either do it in the system settings app under "Display" or you might have to do it by manually modifying your /etc/X11/Xorg.conf file (which can be a bit complex if it's your first time editing the file)
[11:10] <Machtin> ah, wonderful
[11:10] <Machtin> thank you :)
[11:11] <raw> np
[11:12] <White_Pelican> what is LTS?
[11:12] <arshad> BRADY   -   Ycan download a terminal for SU only from ADD/REMOVE
[11:12] <NauarchLysander> White_Pelican: LTS = Long Term Support
[11:13] <brady> anyway to install GCC in KDE 4.1?
[11:13] <White_Pelican> I thought that's what it meant
[11:13] <White_Pelican> is there LTS for Hardy?
[11:13] <arshad> what d u say RAW
[11:13] <arshad> ??????????????/
[11:13] <brady> its apparently not in the repositories
[11:13] <NauarchLysander> White_Pelican: Yes, Hardy Heron is a LTS version.
[11:13] <White_Pelican> ty NauarchLysander
[11:14] <arshad> in Applications ADD/REM
[11:14] <NauarchLysander> White_Pelican: np
[11:14] <White_Pelican> here's the question then, when will 4.1.3 be available for hardy? od open office 3 for that matter?
[11:14] <White_Pelican> and*
[11:14] <brady> GCC anyone?
[11:16] <White_Pelican> can anyone answer my last question?
[11:17] <halfvulcan> Is there anywhere a completely see-through (no haze) plasma theme?  I've googled til I can no more.  I like to SEE my wallpaper
[11:17] <brady> once I get the binaries off of the GCC repository, how should I go about compiling and installing them? frankly, I dont know where to start
[11:17] <raw> brady: try apt-get install gcc (not all apps actually show up in Adept, only the flashy ones, the rest need to be installed from commandline)
[11:18] <brady> couldnt find package
[11:18] <brady> I think it can only be gotten as a binary
[11:18] <raw> sorry
[11:18] <raw> apt-get install gcc-4.3
[11:18] <raw> ummm, it's an aptitude package
[11:18] <raw> "gcc" is
[11:19] <raw> I'm staring at it right now
[11:19] <raw> dolan__: aptitude search gcc
[11:19] <raw> oops
[11:19] <brady> Reading package lists... Done
[11:19] <raw> do aptitude search gcc and see what you get
[11:19] <brady> Building dependency tree
[11:19] <brady> Reading state information... Done
[11:19] <brady> gcc-4.3 is already the newest version.
[11:19] <brady> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[11:19] <brady>   libsynaptics0 libqt4-gui libnotify-bin xchat-common
[11:19] <brady> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[11:19] <brady> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:19] <raw> then you already have gcc
[11:19] <raw> type gcc at a commandline
[11:19] <brady> where the hell is it?
[11:19] <brady> no input files
[11:19] <raw> yeh, then you have it
[11:20] <raw> gcc is a commandline utility
[11:20] <raw> you won't see it in your menu
[11:20] <brady> are you serious?
[11:20] <brady> ok
[11:20] <brady> thanks
[11:20] <raw> gcc is a compiler, yes
[11:20] <brady> gotchya
[11:21] <brady> I thought it had an editor as well
[11:21] <raw> when in doubt just try typing the name of the program at a commandline, if you get any output other than "command not found" then it's already installed
[11:21] <raw> brady: no, you use any regular text editor to do the coding, then you just run it through gcc to compile it
[11:22] <brady> any good C++ programming environments/compilers, I am looking for essentially an alternative to visual studio
[11:22] <brady> something that is sort of "all-in-one"
[11:22] <raw> so you're looking for something where you can design the GUI visually then?
[11:22] <brady> so I can quick compile and run to test right in the software
[11:22] <brady> sure
[11:23] <raw> I haven't really done any c++ coding linked to a GUI in Linux so I personally wouldn't know what to use
[11:23] <raw> hunt around on google and see what you can find
[11:23] <brady> this "Anjuta" looks promising
[11:24] <raw> yeh, it does seem to fit the ticket
[11:24] <raw> though that's for designing gtk based GUI elements
[11:25] <brady> ok, I am looking at "Eclipse"
[11:25] <raw> if you wanted to design QT based (which is the library that KDE uses) then you'd have to find something else
[11:25] <brady> it only comes in a tarball file
[11:25] <brady> can you walk me through installing?
[11:25] <raw> ah, eclipse is IBM's baby hehe
[11:26] <raw> installing eclipse?
[11:26] <raw> you mean?
[11:26] <brady> yeah
[11:26] <brady> where should I extract, etc
[11:26] <raw> simple: sudo apt-get install eclipse
[11:26] <zeltak> hi guys, anyone using a wind laptop with intrepid?
[11:26] <raw> :)
[11:26] <brady> really?
[11:26] <brady> huh
[11:26] <raw> yeh
[11:27] <raw> aptitude has tons of apps in it
[11:27] <raw> or if you wanted to install anjuta: sudo apt-get install anjuta
[11:27] <etfb> Can anyone remind me of the command to run an application with readline support.  As in: when you run SBCL (Lisp) by itself, the cursor keys just spit out escape codes; when you run it with a command like READLINEFOO sbcl it has history, line editing, etc.  What's the command?
[11:27] <brady> Anjuta was available through Adept
[11:27] <raw> yeh
[11:27] <hannascott> Tjipp.
[11:28] <raw> but like I said, Adept doesn't list all packages
[11:28] <hannascott> Hello ... anyone feel like helping a gal out with her sound problem?
[11:28] <brady> thats not annoying at all...
[11:28] <raw> here's the command to use to see if aptitude has a package available or not: aptitude search packagename
[11:28] <brady> oh ok
[11:28] <raw> so you just do that and then apt-get install packagename if it's available
[11:29] <raw> try to do all of your package management from the commandline, it's quicker and more powerful
[11:29] <brady> that will take some getting used to
[11:29] <raw> yup
[11:29]  * hannascott sits down and looks around for help
[11:30] <raw> then again I assume you're tech savvy since you obviously code a bit, so I'm sure you'll pick this stuff up quickly
[11:30]  * makdaknife looks at hannascott and thinks she should tell us what her sound problem is
[11:31] <brady> we'll see
[11:31]  * raw holds his hands out at hannascott supplicantly, asking for information on what her problem is
[11:31] <hannascott> makdaknife: Ah! finally. Yes. This is the problem. I was running a radio stream yesterday, when the sound got stuck in a loop.
[11:32] <makdaknife> hannascott: is it still looping?
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> hannascott: traditionally, on IRC, one doesn't ask whether anyone can help - one simply states the problem and then if any fellow users can help out they will :)
[11:32] <hannascott> makdaknife: Tried to restart firefox, no avail, rebooted, and all of a sudden I don't seem to have any sound at all
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> if you ask whether you can ask for help in an IRC channel you tend to get a slow response :)
[11:32] <halfvulcan> Even after reboot?
[11:32] <raw> hannascott: you're familliar with using the console I assume?
[11:32] <hannascott> halfvulcan: even after reboot. The worst thing... now it seems like the system does not seem to have a sound card at all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6123244#post6123244
[11:33] <makdaknife> hannascott: hmmm okay... the first thing to check is to make sure that it is not muted (I know this sounds pretty obvious, but you'll be surprised how often this turns out to be the problem)
[11:33] <SlimeyPete> hannascott: tried a cold boot?
[11:33] <hannascott> makdaknife: Already checked the basics...
[11:34] <raw> hannascott: have you checked the actual alsamixer settings?
[11:34] <makdaknife> hannascott: so you have nothing when you `cat /proc/asound/cards`
[11:34] <hannascott> lsmod gives no sign of any snd modules. Cannot start alsamixer, kmix, aumix. makdaknife: I don't even have an asound folder!
[11:34] <SlimeyPete> some of the newer HDA cards are a bit odd, in that if the sound winds up muted by Windows or during boot then Linux won't be able to raise the volume very far even if it thinks it can
[11:34] <raw> hannascott: sounds like alsa somehow got removed
[11:35] <makdaknife> hannascott: crikey that sounds pretty severe
[11:35] <hannascott> raw: I know... it's ... so weird. I have never encountered anything like it
[11:35] <SlimeyPete> sound card firmware gone buggerup, perhaps?
[11:35] <raw> hannascott: have you tried apt-get install alsa ?
[11:36] <edulix> hi
[11:36] <hannascott> The only difference between pre and post reinstall of alsa drivers was that before I reinstalled the drivers, I could still start up aumix even if it did not control sound, now I cannot even start up aumix
[11:36] <SlimeyPete> edulix: hi
[11:36] <raw> actually: at a console do: "sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", see if you hear static from your speakers
[11:37] <edulix> SlimeyPete: what's the usual behaviour of knetworkmanager in intrepid when it sees a known wireless network? auto-connect I suppose?
[11:37] <hannascott> raw: I get access denied
[11:37] <brady> anyway to arrange your desktop icons on a grid?
[11:37] <hannascott> raw: to /dev/dsp
[11:37] <SlimeyPete> edulix: I think so, yes. My intrepid box is out of action but I seem to remember that that was the case.
[11:38] <raw> hannascott: ummm, you did type sudo before it and entered your password no?
[11:38] <SlimeyPete> In fact I think it even does so if you already have a wired network connection, which is annoying
[11:38] <hannascott> raw: yes of course :)
[11:38] <raw> hannascott: you should have access as long as you're running it as root, hmmm
[11:38] <edulix> SlimeyPete: ok so mine is misbehaving because it doesn't autoconnect.
[11:39] <raw> hannascott: what happens if you type modprobe alsa as root?
[11:39] <hannascott> raw: If I look at lspci -v I actually get "access denied" to the capabilitied of the audio device
[11:39] <raw> hmmm
[11:39] <raw> sounds like a udev problem maybe
[11:40] <hannascott> raw: FATAL: module alsa not found
[11:40] <raw> actually yeh, it won't actually be "alsa" just remembered that
[11:40] <hannascott> raw: modprove snd<tab>?
[11:41] <hannascott> s/modprove/modprobe
[11:41] <raw> yeh
[11:41] <hannascott> raw: snd-bt-sco
[11:41] <raw> but I'm not sure which you'd probe to get all of them to load
[11:42] <hannascott> raw: which is a bluetooth headset support something
[11:42] <hannascott> raw: I only have that single one...
[11:42] <hannascott> raw: usually there is a list
[11:42] <raw> if you do "ls -al /dev | grep dsp" what do you see?
[11:43] <hannascott> raw: nothing
[11:43] <raw> hmmm
[11:43] <raw> ok, well, here's the best thing to try...
[11:43] <raw> do aptitude search alsa
[11:43] <raw> then apt-get remove any alsa package you see
[11:43] <raw> then do apt-get install alsa
[11:44] <raw> I'm guessing some critical component of alsa somehow got blown away
[11:44] <raw> so this is something to try
[11:44] <raw> and if that doesn't work, it's possible that your soundcard is just screwed on a hardware level
[11:44] <hannascott> raw: Thank you. I will try it. It's going to take a while tho... quite a lot of them.
[11:44] <raw> yup
[11:45] <hannascott> raw: The problem really arises if this actually works, because then I need to find out what blew the alsa part away, and which part, and how to avoid it.... it might be an actual bug
[11:45] <raw> yeh
[11:46] <raw> so you were streaming audio using what?
[11:46] <raw> flash?
[11:46] <hannascott> yeah
[11:46] <raw> odd that that would have caused this
[11:46] <raw> especially since you were running firefox as a regular user
[11:46] <DennisBagley> anyone : i have upgraded my kubuntu hardy to ibex, this busted my nvidia module down to nv - which was expected - i then installed the nvidia beta drivers and all was well desk tops effect all working... then today i had an updte which i think included a dummy package or something for the new nvidia driver - and now in some apps such as openoffice the menus and tool tips are blank [other...
[11:46] <DennisBagley> ...apps like firefox are fine so i presume it is one of wx, qt or gtk that i have teh problem with]... any ideas?
[11:47] <raw> it sounds more like a hardware failure, to me, but I guess we'll see
[11:47] <hannascott> raw: I will be back *arnold voice*
[11:47] <raw> hehe
[11:48] <raw> DennisBagley: no problems with the actual window borders or anything, just the menus?
[11:49] <DennisBagley> hmm - 2 secs - will check
[11:49] <DennisBagley> i did have a problem with no windows at first but i just binned ~/.compiz and ~/.kde*
[11:50] <halfvulcan> so, no firewalls that let me block individual apps yet in linux.  Bummer.  And I'll answer the inevitable "why would..."  Windows games in wine and copying movies
[11:51] <halfvulcan> movies could be home movies
[11:51] <DennisBagley> raw : it is the text on the menu bar and the menus [file menu, edit menu etc] the icons are there, the text shows for a split second then goes
[11:52] <raw> DennisBagley: yeh, haven't dealt with that particular one before, not sure
[11:53] <DennisBagley> ok - will come back and say if i find the problem
[11:53] <DennisBagley> thanks any hoo
[11:54] <raw> np
[11:55] <DennisBagley> as a helper  - do you happen to know which windowing/widget tool kit amarok  and open office use ? [gtk / wx / qt] ?
[11:55] <raw> amarok uses QT
[11:55] <raw> openoffice uses either GTK or QT
[11:55] <raw> I think it supports both
[11:55] <DennisBagley> would it default to qt on kde ?
[11:56] <raw> it should, yeh
[11:56] <DennisBagley> i think i need to go prod my qt setting then - thank again
[11:56] <raw> np
[12:01] <OpenSorce> I am a reviewer who writes for a well known online and print Linux publication. I review Linux Distributions purely for their usability by brand new users. I've been using Linux since the 90s and my distro of choice has always been Slackware. After reviewing it, I am now a Kubuntu 8.10 user. Well done, folks....well done :-)
[12:02] <esperegu> anyone knows how to change size of partitions ( ihave lvm) on kubuntu?
[12:03] <emilsedgh> OpenSorce: dont forget giving us links to your new review about kubuntu ;)
[12:03] <OpenSorce> hehe....I got in trouble for that last cycle.....I will try to do that quietly
[12:03] <Guest55127> hello
[12:04] <Guest55127> everyone can helpme
[12:04] <emilsedgh> !ask | Guest55127
[12:04] <utur> hello, which package contains the systemsettings module for selecting the theme? i use gnome and want to change the theme for kde4 apps...
[12:04] <emilsedgh> esperegu: to resize partitions you have to install qtparted i guess
[12:04] <OpenSorce> emilsedgh, I know a lot of of this is KDE 4.x.....but it's still completely awesome the way Kubuntu has completely embraced KDE like it has
[12:04] <Guest55127> where i can download ubuntu me
[12:05] <esperegu> emilsedgh: I installed gparted but it does not recognize the lvm partitions
[12:05] <emilsedgh> Guest55127: from its own website?
[12:05] <emilsedgh> esperegu: no idea sorry
[12:06] <emilsedgh> OpenSorce: well, Kubuntu + KDE are gonna rock in the following years ;)
[12:07] <OpenSorce> emilsedgh, I'd like to see a lot more plasmoids, themes, etc.......but yeah, tons of real potential here
[12:07] <emilsedgh> OpenSorce: well, i use kde svn and there are many great plasmoids in playground branch which are not released yet, so yeah there are a lot of new stuff coming
[12:08] <zeltak_> hi all, i could use some help with a silly issuse
[12:08] <OpenSorce> Surfing the internet on a translucent Firefox, watching a movie and this chat window behind it on a desktop I easily set up just exactly like I wanted it......wow
[12:08] <emilsedgh> shoot zeltak_
[12:08] <zeltak_> i cant find a way to make the laptop close lid option to suspend, is it missing in intrepid or am i being stupid?
[12:08] <zeltak_> (thx emilsedgh)
[12:09] <zeltak_> im using kubuntu 8.10 kde 4.1.3
[12:09] <OpenSorce> KDE and Kubuntu have stopped imitating Windows and finally surpassed it in the desktop arena
[12:09] <emilsedgh> well, i dont have interpid, but try going to System Settings->Advanced, there might be a Power Management option there (im not sure though)
[12:10] <OpenSorce> zeltak_, lemme look for you...one sec
[12:10] <zeltak_> yeah checked that of course but nada, couldnt find anything
[12:10] <zeltak_> thx
[12:12] <hannascott> raw: Yaowza. I tried removing the libsdl1.2debian-alsa package, and it found a dependecy to phonon-backend-xine or gstreamer, and it says the phonon-backend package is damaged...
[12:12] <OpenSorce> System Settings > Desktop > Power Control
[12:12] <zeltak_> hold on checking
[12:12] <OpenSorce> That's just the monitor though...
[12:12] <raw> hannascott: ok, are you able to reinstall phonon?
[12:13] <OpenSorce> not what you needed.....I'll keep looking
[12:13] <zeltak_> thx opensorce
[12:14] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: did you try guidance-power-manager?
[12:15] <zeltak_> mmm is it installed by default or should i apt-get it?
[12:15] <emilsedgh> there is a very nice power management tool for KDE4 called PowerDevil but thats gonna be in 4.2, so i think power management tool for interpid is still guidance-power-manager
[12:15] <OpenSorce> Looks like the default backend is HAL...which is ok, must be a front-end somewhere...
[12:15] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: should be installed by default
[12:15] <zeltak_> k checking right now one sec
[12:16] <emilsedgh> OpenSorce: frontend is that PowerDevil
[12:16] <zeltak_> well i issued the guidance-power-manager in the command line and nothing happens let me check apt
[12:17] <zeltak_> well i have the latest version but cant find any gui or a terminal way to issue a command to suspend when i close the lid
[12:18] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: hm, what is the output of running it from command line?
[12:19] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: there must be a little battery icon in your system tray...
[12:19] <zeltak_> nada...there is no output
[12:19] <zeltak_> yeah i guess thats the power manager thing but it has no option to suspend when lid is closed
[12:19] <zeltak_> just manuall suspend
[12:20] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: thats the guidance power manager, what are the options when you right click on it?
[12:21] <zeltak_> just manuall suspend hibernate and cpu policy
[12:21] <OpenSorce> zeltak_, kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3090521.0
[12:22] <Walzmyn> Why do I keep finding the bluetooth app open in my sys. tray? I've never used it and I keep turning it off and telling it to not restart.
[12:23] <zeltak_> mmm the link seems dead. can you post the link again opensource?
[12:23] <zeltak_> wait, maybe its my connection
[12:23] <OpenSorce> it doesn't seem to load......grrr
[12:23] <zeltak_> yup ;-)
[12:24] <zeltak_> is it a known issue or was that a solution :)
[12:26] <hannascott> raw: I've never done it before, but I will sure try :)
[12:26] <hannascott> raw: sorry. Got an urgent phone call
[12:26] <raw> k
[12:28] <OpenSorce> zeltak_, looks like "Solid" is what it's using....but I can't seem to find a frontend for it :-P
[12:29] <zeltak_> heheh ok...thx for the effort man, i guess its a known issue and maybe they forgot to include something like that in kubuntu 8.10
[12:29] <OpenSorce> odd....but yeah
[12:30] <OpenSorce> crap....now I have to solve it or include it in my review :-(
[12:30] <raw> zeltak_: KDE 4 probably just doesn't support it yet
[12:30] <zeltak_> k gotcha
[12:30] <OpenSorce> maybe not
[12:30] <zeltak_> i guess ill wait for power devil in kde 4.2
[12:31] <zeltak_> in anycase kubuntu rocks even without the option to suspend via closing the lid :)
[12:31] <emilsedgh> you can do that by guidance-power-manager, you just cannot seem to find it
[12:31] <zeltak_> mmm ok
[12:31] <zeltak_> you mean there is an option like that ?
[12:32] <zeltak_> (is it just me not being able to find it)
[12:32] <emilsedgh> this is the KDE4's frontend: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078
[12:34] <zeltak_> awesome...just what i was looking for...:) i guess ill wait for kde 4.2...seems diffcult to install (i have Zero experience with compiling..)
[12:34] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: there might be some packages for kubuntu, im searching
[12:35] <zeltak_> thx guys... i really appriciate everyones help!
[12:36] <OpenSorce> zeltak_, you *might* try installing "kpowersave"
[12:36] <OpenSorce> It's in the package list and says it's a HAL front-end
[12:36] <zeltak_> thx i actually did use it in hardy and it really messed up my suspend hibernate into non functiong...im very affraid to use it again since everything seems to work well now in intrepid
[12:37] <OpenSorce> lol....understood
[12:37] <zeltak_> :)
[12:38] <emilsedgh> man, dialup sucks! there seems to be some info on this topic zeltak_: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097483
[12:38] <OpenSorce> assuming many of my readers have lappies.....now I have to try it.....to see if it's working :-P
[12:38] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[12:38] <zeltak_> btw i pretty new to linux and dont know any programming but would be happy to contribute to kubuntu in any other way (wiki writing etc...) who/where should i go for that?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip1> zeltak_: just write stuff and search engines will find you
[12:39] <larsivi> my cdrom is gone :( where did it go?
[12:40] <larsivi> or I guess it doesn't automount
[12:40] <emilsedgh> zeltak_: well, there are many things you can do, i think there must be a package about that on kubuntu wiki
[12:40] <zeltak_> ok ill check that out! thx again
[12:40] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: sure it does, check your /etc/fstab matches the device that /dev/cdrom points to
[12:40] <emilsedgh> larsivi: its not mounted? so try mounting by sudo mount /dev/cdrom
[12:41] <emilsedgh> larsivi: but i think dolphin is able to list it automatically
[12:42] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-11-07 09:44 /dev/cdrom -> scd0  - whereas /etc/fstab says /dev/scd0
[12:42] <larsivi> if it matters
[12:42] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: and does /etc/fstab contain a line with /dev/scd0 ?
[12:42] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: yes
[12:43] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: what does: file /dev/scd0
[12:43] <ActionParsnip1> tell you?
[12:43] <jobe> how do you auto mount a partition in 8.10? fstab doesnt seem to have the right entries for me to edit
[12:43] <larsivi>  /dev/scd0: block special
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: ok so we know your system can see your cdrom and we now know what /dev it is
[12:45] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: from fstab :   /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: is there a disk in the drive?
[12:45] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: yes, I just put it in, and nothing happened
[12:45] <zeltak_> OpenSorce, you mentioned your readers, you habe a blog? (im looking for good kubuntu/kde blogs)
[12:45] <larsivi> (and I don't find anything in dolphin)
[12:46] <jobe> zeltak: planetkde
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: try typing: sudo mount -a
[12:46] <zeltak_> yeah subscribed to that its exellent thx!
[12:47] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: nothing in particular seems to have happened
[12:47] <emilsedgh> paste the output larsivi in pastebin
[12:47] <larsivi> emilsedgh: there was no output
[12:48] <jobe> nobody knows how to have a drive auto mount at boot then.
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: try: cd /mdeia/cdrom0; clear; ls
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> !fstab | jobe
[12:48] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: it is empty
[12:49] <larsivi> (note it is an audio cd)
[12:49] <emilsedgh> ah
[12:49] <waylandbill> when I dual boot with XP, I go into a timewarp. How do I tell kubuntu that my hardware clock is not UTC?
[12:49] <jobe> actionparsnip1: on other distros I just edit the fstab entry for the drive, but theres only a few lines relating to cdroms in my kubuntu fstab, and if I add entries for existing drives itll no doubt mess everything up...?
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: ahhh, i think thats why it doesnt show (im unsure as I use gui stuff rarely)
[12:50] <emilsedgh> larsivi: use programs like kscd to play it!
[12:50] <emilsedgh> larsivi: kscd or amarok
[12:50] <ActionParsnip1> jobe: no, you add lines for the stuff you want mounting at boot otr to automount for you
[12:51] <ActionParsnip1> jobe: just make a copy of the original working one so you can roll back in live cd if you screw up
[12:51] <jobe> actionparsnip1: hmm, well some of the partitions for mounting are fuse based, it'll be tricky I fear to figure out the right text
[12:51] <ActionParsnip1> jobe: only one way to learn
[12:51] <jobe> :)
[12:52] <larsivi> emilsedgh: right - it works now at least, but there was not popup saying I had inserted a CD
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> jobe: you could write a howto if you are successful too ;)
[12:52] <larsivi> anyway - thanks :)
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: its an audio cd, maybe you have supressed autorun (a good thingto do in my mind)
[12:53] <Guest70676> hmm..
[12:53] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: I didn't do it explicitly at least - it worked prior to the upgrade
[12:53] <Guest70676> are there any easy GUI audio converters? need to convert a bunch of flacs to mp3
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> larsivi: id check it
[12:54] <larsivi> ActionParsnip1: where? :)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> !autorun
[12:54] <ActionParsnip1> bah
[12:54] <emilsedgh> Guest70676: soundKonevrter
[12:56] <ActionParsnip1> Guest70676: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412690
[13:06] <webas> hi..why i always get this error? sorry-dolphin:
[13:06] <webas> KLauncher could not be reached via D-Bus, error when calling start_service_by_desktop_path:
[13:06] <webas> empty
[13:06] <webas> when i want to open .torrent file or any other.. but it opens and it works..
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> webas: i had this one, gimme a sec
[13:08] <webas> ye its annoying because programs works, loads, but this error is lame :D thanks..
[13:08] <bb__> Hi - Kontact crashes when I switch to the Task-Tab. See: http://paste.ubuntu.com/68838/ - where can I get help?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip1> webas: wanna know how simple it is (and weird)
[13:08] <ActionParsnip1> webas: here's what fixed mine:
[13:08] <ActionParsnip1> webas: Simply open up System Settings, hit the Advanced tab and select File Associations. Find "plain" under "text", highlight Kate and hit edit. In the Application tab, change the %U to %u in the command field, and it should work =)
[13:09] <larsivi> bb__: you could try #kontact, but most likley you will have to file a bug
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> webas: no idea AT ALL why this fixes it but it made mine nice
[13:10] <ActionParsnip1> webas: all better?
[13:10] <bb__> larsivi: see if anyone can help there - thx
[13:10] <webas> i will relaunch my torrent after 5mins..
[13:10] <webas> and your problem fixing is really interesting way.. :D
[13:11] <webas> im not even sure how can anyone find to change that letter there somewhere.. :D
[13:11] <ubuntu_> I'm trying to install Kubuntu 8.10 but I get stuck at the partitioning step.  I get a dialog about scanning disks but it vanishes and leaves me at the keyboard layout step and the Forward and Back buttons disabled.
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> webas: no idea what it is, i websearched and found it. tied it and poof, no more error
[13:12] <jobe> for my webcam I need the gspca driver. its in the kubuntu repos as source only. so that means i have to compile it myself, right? and that the package only downloads the source. if that is so, then were is the source downloaded to do you think? and why would someone package the source code only?
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntu_: did you md5 check the downloaded iso and also check the cd for defects at first boot?
[13:15]  * ActionParsnip1 calls bad disk
[13:18] <ubuntu_> @ActionParsnip1 - The disk image appears to be correct. I'll reboot to check the CD.
[13:19] <hannascott> raw: let's say the phonon installation didn't go well
[13:21] <user5> ubuntu
[13:21] <user5> what this mean?
[13:21] <user5> how  can I install it ?
[13:21] <user5> I dont know any thing about ubuntu or linux
[13:21] <user5> I wana try it
[13:21] <Reaper> Hi, I just downloaded Kubuntu live CD 8.10 today, this is my first use - my only concern is that I connect through PPPoe connection, and I didn't find that utility on Kubuntu so far. What to do? I want to first try it on the LIVE CD, then decide to install or not....
[13:22] <darkshadow> any body here?
[13:22] <darkshadow> im from latvia ?
[13:22] <darkshadow> I dont know any thing about linux  I wana try it ?
[13:22] <legodude> go for it darkshadow
[13:22] <legodude> get a live cd
[13:23] <legodude> have fun
[13:23] <darkshadow> where I can get ? from store or somthing?
[13:23] <legodude> kubuntu.com
[13:23] <legodude> er
[13:23] <darkshadow> I search store here no onehave ubuntu
[13:23] <legodude> .org
[13:23] <Reaper> legodude: can you read up and try to help me?
[13:23] <darkshadow> oh  a web site
[13:24] <darkshadow> this realy nice
[13:24] <darkshadow> im 66 old
[13:24] <ActionParsnip1> darkshadow: you need to download, check and burn the cd
[13:24] <webas> ActionParsnip1 it still gives an error - a different one :D
[13:24] <webas> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/ktorrent'
[13:24] <ActionParsnip1> darkshadow: or get shippit to send you one (slow)
[13:24] <darkshadow> I dont wana be  a slave for windows
[13:24] <ActionParsnip1> webas: are you launching from some menu?
[13:25] <webas> from folder directly :)
[13:25] <Reaper>  Hi, I just downloaded Kubuntu live CD 8.10 today, this is my first use - my only concern is that I connect through PPPoe connection, and I didn't find that utility on Kubuntu so far. What to do? I want to first try it on the LIVE CD, then decide to install or not....
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> webas: so you are executing the binary yourself
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> webas: ?
[13:25] <jtisme> !repeat
[13:25] <darkshadow> binary = exe is that true
[13:25] <larsivi> darkshadow: yes
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> darkshadow: exe is how windows names binarys
[13:25] <legodude> Reaper:  I believe knetworkmanager will do it
[13:25] <webas> binary files? :D i just open .torrent files
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> darkshadow: as it simply refuses to divorce itself from file extensions
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> webas: ahhh, ok
[13:26] <Reaper> legodude: It only gives me the utility to connect through wired or wireless connection.
[13:26] <darkshadow> .dll = .o
[13:26] <ActionParsnip1> webas: whats the output of: which ktorrent
[13:26] <darkshadow> oh I know somthing
[13:26] <Reaper> legodude: No dsl option no nothing.
[13:26] <webas> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/ktorrent'
[13:26] <webas> and before:
[13:26] <legodude> Reaper: how does your dsl hook up to your computer?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip1> webas: run the command in konsole and what does it say?
[13:27] <Reaper> legodude: PPPoe connection, using a user name and a password that's it.
[13:27] <webas> no thanks i wont run it in terminal..
[13:27] <legodude> Reaper:  no, physically, how does the model interface with your pc?
[13:27] <Reaper> legodude: the manager did recognize my eht1 USB lan.
[13:27] <webas> its enough.. :) i have no dexterity for this brainpain :D
[13:27] <Reaper> legodude: Wired.
[13:27] <legodude> what kind of wire
[13:27] <ActionParsnip1> webas: it simply tells us what binary gets ran when you type ktorrent in terminal
[13:28] <legodude> usb?
[13:28] <legodude> ethernet?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> webas: i think you need a symlink to it and your message will go
[13:28] <Reaper> legodude: Cable wire. Not through phone line, it's from a certain provider.
[13:28] <Reaper> legodude: ? never seen a USB LAN device?
[13:28] <darkshadow> always use trminal insted  of gui in open source case gui didnt provide complete functionlty or bugy
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> Reaper: they are awful and god slow
[13:28] <legodude> Reaper: I'm asking how does it connect
[13:28] <legodude> most are via ethernet or usb
[13:28] <webas> well good luck.. nah its pain in the a.. all this terminal stuff :D i want to relax a bit.. i will ask this question next time..then i will get bored of those errors again :D
[13:28] <larsivi> Reaper: try pppoeconf from the command line?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip1> fine, its his error
[13:28] <Reaper> ActionParsnip1: I know, but I can do nothing in the utility to connect on my laptop and my PC at the same time while having this blockage, the fucking mac address.
[13:29] <Reaper> larsivi: I did, says no command or such...
[13:29] <Reaper> oh btw, I use ubuntu, and it works just fine.
[13:29] <ubuntu_> @ActionParsip1 - The disk is fine but I get the same error
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> Reaper: change youor mac address ;)
[13:29] <Reaper> ActionParsnip1: I did try that, but I was facing a problem heh....
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntu_: hmm, you could try booting with acpi off and no dma
[13:29] <Reaper> ActionParsnip1: Anyway, the issue is that how to connection through a PPPoe connection on Kubuntu ;)
[13:30] <ActionParsnip1> ive not used pppoe
[13:30] <Reaper> I've found a page that helps.
[13:30] <Reaper> But my question is, does the LIVE CD install the application?
[13:30] <Reaper> or I must install first....then do that command.
[13:30] <nilesh> i have upgraded to kubuntu8.10 and now my lan and wifi arenot working please help..
[13:31] <faileas> nilesh: what kinda lan and wifi?
[13:31] <nilesh> and can installing ubuntu 8.10 over kubuntu solve the issue
[13:31] <nilesh> my college lan and wifi
[13:31] <ubuntu_> @ActionParsip1 - And how would I do that?
[13:31] <nilesh> it has both DHCP and static
[13:32] <nilesh> REaper: any idea how can i get my internet back
[13:32] <ActionParsnip1> !bootoptions | ubuntu_
[13:33] <Viincent> ciao a tutti
[13:33] <Reaper> nilesh: I'm trying first to configure mine. lol
[13:33] <nilesh> ActionParsnip: After installing kubuntu8.10 my lan and wifi is not working .. can you help with that
[13:33] <robin0800> nilesh: knetwork manager in internet settings name misnomer
[13:33] <nilesh> REaper: ok
[13:34] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to solve this problem with `aptitude update`? "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]"
[13:34] <nilesh> so do send me the solution once you are through..
[13:34] <vlt> There's a more detailed err msg: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[13:34] <vlt> 0  Dir::State::lists=lists/ Config-Item: Dir::State::cdroms=cdroms.list Config-Item: Dir::State::userstatus=status.user Config-Item: Dir::State::status=/var/lib/dpkg/status Config-Item: Dir::Cache=var/cache/apt/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::archives=archives/ Config-Item: Dir::Cache::srcpkgcache=srcpkgcache.bin Config-Item: Dir::Cache::pkgcache=pkgcache.bin Config [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[13:34] <vlt> Any idea?
[13:34] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: try sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install sudo apt-get update
[13:34] <Reaper> nilesh: I'm on Ubuntu, and it's all fine through a PPPoe, but I wanted to give a try for Kubuntu...and seems I need a certain software. roaringpenguine seem to be a solution.
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: i missed a ; there
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: between install and sudo
[13:35] <legodude> Reaper: have you tried knetworkmanager like I said?
[13:35] <nilesh> hat is roaringpenguine and how do i get without an active connection on kubuntu
[13:35] <nilesh> REaper:
[13:36] <Reaper> legodude: if you are refering to the defualt manager that comes with Kubuntu 8.10, yes I def. have. And it has no option for PPPoe/DSL connections.
[13:36] <nilesh> Actionparsnip: DO you have any idea of how do i make my lan work on INterpid(Kubuntu)
[13:37] <faileas> nilesh: i mean what kinda hardware
[13:37] <nilesh> Faileas: Sorry, I dont get you
[13:38] <faileas> nilesh: what kinda wifi card and lan adaptor?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis64> Wireless NIC? wired? chipset?
[13:38] <nilesh> mine is a laptop and it has inbuilt everything
[13:38] <nilesh> so i dont know how to answer you
[13:38] <Dr_Willis64> so has this wireless ever worked?
[13:39] <nilesh> ya it works fine on windows
[13:39] <Dr_Willis64> so has this wireless ever worked under linux. :)
[13:39]  * faileas sighs
[13:39] <nilesh> but i am more concerned with lan as wireless is not active for a few days to come
[13:39] <Dr_Willis64> working under windows at leaaast shows the card is working. :)
[13:39] <nilesh> ya it has worked onKDE 3.5
[13:40] <Barbadillo> hi i got problems with systray's icons in kde 4.1.2
[13:40] <jtisme> so it has worked under linux
[13:40] <nilesh> ya in Kubutu 8.04
[13:40] <robin0800>  nilesh try KPPP see if that works it sayes its dialup
[13:40] <Barbadillo> they don't display correctly
[13:40] <Barbadillo> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?4d4eeb7d19.png
[13:41] <nilesh> the lan is through ethernet cable so would kppp work???
[13:41] <Barbadillo> anyone else noticed it?
[13:41] <faileas> nilesh: lspci, then look for the lines with the words ethernet and wireless
[13:41] <Barbadillo> the blue square should be kopete icon
[13:42] <nilesh> ya there is some ether net controller
[13:42] <nilesh> what do i do with that
[13:42] <faileas> what does it say?
[13:43] <faileas> or better yet. pastebin all of what lspci says
[13:43] <marek_> Barbadillo tere are some bugs onlaunchpad about this
[13:43] <robin0800> nilesh: knetwork manager should see it
[13:43] <marek_> i also haveproblems with tray icons
[13:43] <Barbadillo> ah ok
[13:43] <nilesh> Broadcom Corporation Netlink BCM787M gigabit ethernet PCI express
[13:44] <nilesh> k
[13:44] <Dr_Willis64> Now you are making Progress! :)
[13:44] <faileas> hmm, not an intel chipset, so it rules out one thing
[13:44] <ActionParsnip1> Barbadillo: yeah ive had some of mine go weird but i generally ignore the tray so i dont care its weird
[13:45] <robin0800> nilesh: Broardcom realy not nativly supported need nwrapper and windows driver
[13:46] <mitsarionas> hi... anyone got an unknown applet error on some plasmoids?
[13:46] <nilesh> ok i have posted it on pastebin
[13:46] <nilesh> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/68849/
[13:47] <Dr_Willis64> My Broadcom for my other laptop worked great with a clean install of 8.10 i was amazed
[13:47] <nilesh> but it used to work verywell specially when i gave a static ip in KDE 3.5.1 (kubuntu8.10
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> Dr_Willis64: wow! crazy
[13:48] <Dr_Willis64> ActionParsnip1,  Yep. I was  amazifiacted. :)
[13:48] <nilesh> now what do i do
[13:48] <Dr_Willis64> ActionParsnip1,  and on my newer HP laptop.. worked!   thats 2 for 2!
[13:48] <Dr_Willis64> ActionParsnip1,  up from 0 for 2  with 8.04
[13:49] <robin0800> nilesh: google search for linux driver
[13:49] <Dr_Willis64> well bbl
[13:49] <faileas> nilesh: your wireless driver SHOULD work
[13:49] <nilesh> linux driver for what
[13:49] <faileas> BBL too
[13:49] <nilesh> and will it not work without the need for driver as it used to be in KDE 3.5.
[13:49] <nilesh> what is BBL please
[13:50] <nilesh> Dr_Willis64: u there
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> bbl == be back later
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> dr_will as gone
[13:50] <robin0800> nilesh: it always needed a driver 8.04 had it 8.10 dosen't
[13:51] <nilesh> ok so what do i search in google (broadcom driver for linux)??
[13:52] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: id use ndiswrapper
[13:52] <robin0800> nilesh: you need the model number as well
[13:53] <nilesh> id = i would right???
[13:53] <nilesh> and what is ndiswrapper
[13:53] <robin0800> nilesh: I agree use ndiswrapper and a windows driver
[13:53] <nilesh> and how do i know the model number
[13:53] <mitsarionas> anyone got any idea about this unknown applet error on various plasmoids on intrepid?
[13:54] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: yep (lazy typing)
[13:54] <robin0800> nilesh: NetLink BCM5787M
[13:54] <nilesh> and how do i use nsiawrapper and a windows driver
[13:56] <ActionParsnip1> !ndiswrapper | nilesh
[13:56] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: you'll need the 64bit xp driver if you are running 64it linux (afaik)
[13:57] <nilesh> no mine is 32 bit and i have got this site using google. please tell me if this  is the driver i need to download
[13:57] <robin0800> nilesh: get and install ndiswrapper download windows driver for BCM5787M run ndiswrapper follow instructions
[13:57] <nilesh> http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netlink.php
[13:57] <jtisme> nilesh, go to  kmenu -> applications->system->hardware drivers and see what is listed as avail
[13:57] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: then get the 32bit xp driver and install it with ndiswrapper
[13:59] <nilesh> actio parsnip from the same site i listed aboove
[13:59] <robin0800> nilesh: don't run it just download and extract
[13:59] <nilesh> what ndiwrapper
[13:59] <nilesh> ?? robin0800
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: sure, download and extract the files
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: if its an exe, you'll need to install cabextract
[13:59] <robin0800> nilesh: no the windows driver
[14:00] <zaishaza> hi, i'm new to kubuntu after recently switching from ubuntu. i'm having trouble moving stuff around in the panel at the bottom of the screen. i right click it, select panel settings and start moving stuff, but it keeps springing back to weird positions. any idea what i need to do?
[14:00] <nilesh> i am doing it will be right back
[14:00] <doriana23> ciao
[14:00] <doriana23> a tutti
[14:01] <nilesh> where do i need to extract the contents of ndiswrapper
[14:01] <jtisme> !english
[14:01] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: you dont
[14:01] <jtisme> !english >doriana23
[14:01] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: if you read ndiswrapper guides it will tell you wat to do
[14:02] <nilesh> so just double click the .gz file or what
[14:02] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: whats the file called?
[14:02] <pascal> huhu ^^
[14:02]  * ActionParsnip1 has a sneaking suspicion
[14:02] <pascal> i have a problemn =(
[14:03] <robin0800> nilesh: gz is not a windows file
[14:03] <doriana23> ola
[14:03] <nilesh> iknow so what do i do with the gz file
[14:03] <ActionParsnip1> robin0800: can be, winrar can extract them ;)
[14:03] <doriana23> ola
[14:03] <pascal> bash: deb: command not found  <-  what should i do ?
[14:03] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: what is the name of the file?
[14:03] <ActionParsnip1> pascal: what are you trying to achieve?
[14:04] <nilesh> i have transferred the gz file to my linuz now what do i do
[14:04] <nilesh> ndiswrapper-i.53
[14:04] <nilesh> .tar/gz
[14:04] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: you can get ndiswrapper from repos, you dont need source which is what ou will have
[14:04] <nilesh> .tar.gz
[14:04] <pascal> actionparsnip1 : deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb dapper beryl-svn   i am using kubunut 8.** =)
[14:04] <robin0800> ActionParsnip1: the windows driver is a zip
[14:04] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: you could follow this which will have you compiling it
[14:04] <nilesh> how do i do that
[14:04] <ActionParsnip1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926
[14:05] <nilesh> from a different computer
[14:06] <robin0800> use snaptics package manager to get ndiswraper
[14:07] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: can you get a wired connection at all, just until you get on your feet?
[14:07] <nilesh> no, no connection is working on my lappi
[14:08] <nilesh> and ark is not opening the file
[14:08] <nilesh> so now what do i do..
[14:08] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: can you get a wired connection til you get sorted out?
[14:09] <robin0800> nilesh: ark wll unzip the windows driver
[14:11] <nilesh> thats what i have been wanting to do
[14:11] <nilesh> i want my wired connections to work at the first place then i will look forward for wireless
[14:11] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: then attatch a wire to the system and reboot
[14:12] <nilesh> that i have done quite a few times
[14:12] <nilesh> the network manager shows "Device eth0 Status: Unmanaged
[14:13] <nilesh> when i take my mouse over network manager
[14:14] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: ok so if you run ifconfig do you have an ip address
[14:15] <robin0800> nilesh: I think you will need a driver for earthnet its a broadcom chip
[14:16] <Invisi> i currently have installed kubuntu 8.10 installed from the 700mb donwload available - im sitting behind a router with an ip address of <IP_ADDRESS> on dhcp with the router being <IP_ADDRESS> - knetworkmanager doesn't pick up my connection so I went to ifconfig and get a 'not enough buffer' or something to that affect error msg when i try to manually set the ip addy
[14:16] <Invisi> ohh i have a broadcom ethernet card also
[14:16] <Invisi> maybe this is my issue as well
[14:16] <TheAncientGoat> On kubuntu 8.10 64bit, synaptic no longer wants to install non 64 bit applications (it always did). It also fails to update, and gives a constant BADSIG error. Can anyone help?
[14:17] <nilesh> ya
[14:17] <nilesh> inet addr: <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:17] <nilesh> and mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:17] <larsivi> hmm - can't amarok rip from cd to ipod?
[14:17] <nilesh> inet6 addr 1/128
[14:17] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: what about eth0?
[14:18] <nilesh> there are only 3 heads
[14:18] <nilesh> one is lo and wlan and wmaster0
[14:18] <Invisi> my eth0 is not detailing any ip address it mainly just says broadcasting in multicast
[14:18] <nilesh> under these 3 heads there is  alot of data
[14:19] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: you dont seem to have an eth0, hmm. try: sudo mv /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces_old
[14:19] <Invisi> but if its a known issue with broadcom chips
[14:19] <ActionParsnip1> nilesh: then reboot
[14:20]  * ActionParsnip1 hates broadcom nearly s much as he hates apple
[14:20] <Invisi> haha
[14:20] <Invisi> i wish i had an option to swap it out atm
[14:20] <nilesh> am rebooting
[14:20] <robin0800> Invisi: well according to classroom chat yesterday yes the drivers are closed so no details known
[14:21] <Invisi> so now if i grab this driver you mentioned how do i go about installing the sucker?
[14:21] <Invisi> robin0006 so it could be hit and miss with the drivers then?
[14:22] <_2> hi, i'm root.
[14:23] <robin0800> Invisi: there are two parts 1 you need to have ndiswrapper installed and then download a windows driver
[14:23] <nilesh> i thnk its working now
[14:23] <Pandemic> всем привет
[14:23] <nilesh> thnaks
[14:23] <Pandemic> йоххохоу
[14:23] <_2> !ru
[14:24] <Invisi> ok robin0006 - where can i pick up the files needed?
[14:24] <Pandemic> how, it's English,aight...anyway I gotta talk bout KDE4
[14:24] <nilesh> can i set resolution the in KDE 4.0
[14:24] <nilesh> everything looks so big it used to be so small in KDE 3.5.1
[14:25] <Pandemic> hey guys, I never used kde, especia;;y kde4, can somebody tell me what's up with knetwork manager in KDE4? It doesnt want to connect me using static ip. Should I delete it and move to wicd or gnm?
[14:25] <avdi> Whatever happened to being able to set the default modifier key in KDE keyboard shortcuts?
[14:26] <robin0800> Invisi: if you have internet on the machine you can use sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[14:26] <avdi> Used to be KDE had "three button" scheme, "4 button" scheme, etc.  Now I have to set every shortcut individually.
[14:26] <nilesh> ok can you tell me how to set resolution in KDE 4
[14:27] <Invisi> im running on an old knoppix live cd atm
[14:27] <Pandemic> who can help me with this knm?
[14:27] <robin0800> nilesh: in settings
[14:27] <Invisi> its the only way i have inet access
[14:27] <Invisi> i could gran the files from here and dump them on an external drive though
[14:28] <Invisi> grab*
[14:28] <nilesh> so i need to alter LVDS or VGA
[14:28] <nilesh> in that its only that i can alter LVDS and that still makes the screenso big
[14:28] <Pandemic> LeNsTR, you see.... nobody knows....... nobody wants to talk bout knm...mystical thing,huh.....
[14:28] <nilesh> even on a resolution of 1280x800
[14:30] <LeNsTR> Pandemic: ы?
[14:30] <LeNsTR> Pandemic: я не смотрел)
[14:30] <Pandemic> LeNsTR, смотри
[14:30] <TheAncientGoat> And advice on kubuntu 8.10 64bit, synaptic no longer wants to install non 64 bit applications (it always did). It also fails to update, and gives a constant BADSIG error.
[14:31] <Pandemic> Guys, Im kind of kde newb, help me with this knetwork manager........ I'll move to gnome if you won't!
[14:31] <ActionParsnip1> !ru | Pandemic
[14:31] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install
[14:32] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: sudo apt-get update
[14:33] <Pandemic> GCome one..... Looks weak..... Who's workin' with knetwork manager, noone?
[14:33] <Invisi> if someone could point me to where i could obtain these files from for the broadcome issue id be grateful - i dont have a apt-get option avail with no inet connection
[14:33] <faileas> TheAncientGoat: which repo? medibuntu?
[14:34] <TheAncientGoat> Still gives me the BADSIG error
[14:34] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: what command generates the error??
[14:34] <TheAncientGoat> http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/Release
[14:34] <TheAncientGoat> The sudo apt-get update
[14:35] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: can you pastebin the command and error please
[14:35] <TheAncientGoat> Sure
[14:35] <ActionParsnip1> !paste
[14:36] <TheAncientGoat> http://pastebin.com/m3bb0c8e8
[14:36] <TheAncientGoat> Whoops, I just used normal pastebin
[14:36] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: same deal
[14:37] <jtra> hi I'm new to IRC... have I come to the kubuntu support chat?
[14:37] <Invisi> robin0006 is there any other way for me to obtain the files needed - your help is appreciated
[14:37] <TheAncientGoat> Yeah, just thought that it might be easier the one way or the other
[14:37] <M4d3L> hi. someone can help me with kubuntu? I have 2 screen but they are cloned. I want them separated. I go in the setting. I have put vga1 must be at right of dvi1 but nothing work.
[14:37] <Riddell> hi jtra, yes you have
[14:37] <TheAncientGoat> ok, be back in 20 mins
[14:37] <jtra> hi Riddell. thanks
[14:37] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: looks like you need the gpgg for http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:37] <Pandemic> knetwork manager, I have problem with it, Can someone give me a minute with it?
[14:38] <rav> hello. does someone know how to make KDE4´s panel vertical on the edge of the screen?
[14:38] <ActionParsnip1> TheAncientGoat: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-912261.html
[14:38] <jtra> Riddell: How does one usually ask a question, now that so many people are logged in to the same room
[14:38] <robin0800> Invisi: yes sorce forge has ndiswapper it is a tar.bz file if you can deal with that
[14:40] <Invisi> robin0006 what about the other file needed?
[14:40] <metbsd> question: i have used unetbootin to install live kubuntu dvd
[14:40] <jtra> Hi guys. Where would I ask a question about the X server? Is there a special "sub chatroom" for that?
[14:40] <metbsd> can i just run it from there?
[14:41] <LjL> jtra: no there isn't, although there is an #xorg channel but it's not related to Ubuntu
[14:41] <Invisi> robin0006 - i'll deal with whatever i need to - i just wont it up and working - so i thank you for your assistance
[14:41] <LjL> metbsd: from where?
[14:41] <metbsd> from the hd
[14:41] <M4d3L> when I try to identify screen I have VGA1 and DVI1 show on the 2 screen
[14:41] <metbsd> i used unetbootin to install from live dvd to one windows partition
[14:42] <LjL> metbsd: isn't unetbootin supposed to be used to install on flash media?
[14:42] <LjL> metbsd: can you still boot from that Windows partition? unetbootin may possibly have ruined the boot sector.
[14:43] <jtra> ok. I'll give it a go: I need to remotely log in to a host and with 'xhost + ...' open a window on the remote display, but I get 'xhost:  unable to open display "localhost:0.0"'
[14:43] <metbsd> no i installed it to a windows partition
[14:43] <faileas> er
[14:43] <metbsd> it's a usb storage
[14:43] <faileas> ahh
[14:43] <LjL> jtra: well, for starters, you really shouldn't use "xhost +"... but anyway, TCP is disabled by default in Ubuntu's X, you'd need to enable it
[14:43] <metbsd> when i use unetbootin, does it affect my mbr for windows?
[14:44] <M4d3L> how I can configure my 2 screen with kubuntu. its working on ubuntu very nice but not on kubuntu.
[14:44] <faileas> IIRC no. it chainloads linux/grub off ntldr IIRC
[14:44] <metbsd> i want to make a linux mobile HD to carry it around
[14:45] <LjL> jtra: still, doing remote X over SSH is more secure. i'm not quite familiar with that but the relevant information should be at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto#Running GUI Programs