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[14:54] <raidghost> How can i solve this issue: transcode: 0001: Unable to open libx264 encoder
[14:59] <blackflow> raidghost: to begin with, by defining its context.
[15:01] <raidghost> blackflow: tvheadend is using it
[15:05] <blackflow> !details | raidghost
[16:49] <vlt> teward: Yes (to the question about LVM2 in case that was you).
[17:41] <ahasenack> teward: you mean shrink an actual partition (a "PV"), and not an LV?
[20:01] <blackflow> Anyone knows if it's now okay to restart systemd-journald, in bionic? systemd version is 237, and if I'm not mistaken, this was supposedly fixed in v235?  https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6620
[20:02] <blackflow> tl;dr restarting journald nuked open FDs so services were busted....
[20:02] <blackflow> I can't TIAS because I don't have proper test coverage for all open FD cases....
[20:05] <blackflow> and according to this comment in that bug report, it's still not okay to stop journald, but it's okay to restart, as long as services handle EPIPE properly? gah..... https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6620#issuecomment-325947296
[20:06] <blackflow> to be on the safe side, as I need this for configuration automation, I'll just ban modifying journald.conf at run time.
[20:45] <teward> ahasenack: i solved it but I had to GUI it to find a tool that would work.  I shrunk the LV down, and then was trying to shrink the PV to free up some space for a dual boot.
[20:45] <teward> turns out the system doesn't like that muchl
[20:46] <teward> (ended up having to borrow Kubuntu's kvpm to get it to 'just work' >.>)
[20:55] <TJ-> teward: I generally just use "pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 1234S" and that makes it easy to resize the containing partition to the same number of sectors
[20:56] <TJ-> note that is 1234 S (for Sectors)
[20:57] <teward> TJ-: i tried that, the underlying LVM system started freaking for some reason about "real size being larger than specified size"
[20:57] <teward> *shrugs*
[20:58] <TJ-> teward: did you check that no LVs were using the extents that were being lost?
[20:59] <teward> yep
[20:59] <teward> TJ-: ultimately, it's fixed now so it's more idle musing why it wouldn't work as is
[21:00] <teward> *shrugs*
[21:00] <TJ-> yeah, I've never had an issue. I check with "pvdisplay -m"
[21:03] <teward> TJ-: the other lesson to learn from this would be "Don't try and do this when you're dead tired" because that may have been a factor
[21:03] <teward> but meh
[21:03] <TJ-> yes, I agree there 1*10^9 :)
[21:04] <teward> well before I mess with this more, I think i'mma have to backup the server anyways (full disk image, anyone?  >.>)
[21:14] <TJ-> teward: I've got an empty 8TB archive drive sitting about but can't resolve to use it because there still don't seem to be any file-systems designed to work with shingled drives, despite some earlier experiemental work Ted T'so did on ext4. Grrrr.
[21:17] <teward> heh


[19:11] <paddyez> hi, where do I find memsest_s memmove_s in eoan? I included string.h #define __STDC_WANT_LIB_EXT1__ 1 before but it does not seem to be in the lib?!
[19:12] <paddyez> manpage for memset_s seems also to be missing


[09:27] <zyga> which of the kernel trees on kernel.ubuntu.com/git contains the official 16.04 LTS kernel?
[09:29] <apw> zyga, t
[09:29] <apw> zyga, the xenial GA kernel ?
[09:29] <zyga> t?
[09:29] <apw> typeo
[09:29] <zyga> the 4.8 kernel that one can get on xenial
[09:30] <zyga> (or if there is one big repo, not sure, for all of ubuntu kernels
[09:32] <apw> zyga, there is one for each series yes
[09:32]  * zyga thinks about editing the description fields to cleary differentiate *personal* development repositories from official ubuntu kernel repositories
[09:33] <zyga> apw: and which one should I track?
[09:33] <apw> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial
[09:34] <zyga> oh, so kernel is now on launchpad?
[09:34] <apw> zyga, there is no branch (now) for the 4.8 kernel as that is about to die, but there are tags for the versions we have published
[09:34] <apw> zyga, was the very first thing ever pushed to git.launchpad.net which was not for testing
[09:34] <zyga> apw: how does it releat to k.u.c/git?
[09:35] <apw> zyga, the kernel.u.c repos are mirrors of launchpad for those with old links
[09:35] <zyga> ahh
[09:35] <zyga> thanks
[12:23] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, do you have any ETA for kernel 4.12 in artful?
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> just to understand when I can send you the virtualbox updated kernel modules
[12:29] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, just get the bits uploaded to artful, they would be backwards compatible right ?
[12:30] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, we sync with your packages periodically
[12:30] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, or to look at it another way, the 4.12 kernel is evolving in our unstable PPA so you could give us what we need for that
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> the problem is that virtualbox should be released soon(TM), but I don't know when
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> and I prefer to give you the updated modules when it comes out
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> usually this is a matter of some days after the new kernel is released
[12:32] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, we are pusihng to get 4.11 in the archive, so iw oudl not expect to be trying to reupdate that in the next week
[12:32] <apw> but as soon as you have bits we can consume them in our ppa builds
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> ack
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> seems a good plan, thanks
[16:12] <oSoMoN> smb, apw: following up on the conversation we had yesterday about bug #1700692, what would be the best way to make a case for it upstream?
[16:18] <cascardo> funny, that expand_stack code is basically what we tried to fix with 4.4.0-83
[16:19] <apw> cascardo, does that imply we know what that expand_stack code looks like ?
[16:20] <apw> oSoMoN, upstream wnat to know what that expand_stack code thinks it is trying to do
[16:20] <apw> so they can decide if it is sensible or not
[16:22] <smb> apw, roughly I would think that one would need the test that fails in a isolated way (described so one can run things without hunting for missing pieces). And then they surely want some prove that the actual application suffers from the problem, too
[16:22] <cascardo> apw: it's almost the same as the test code I sent on our discussion
[16:22] <cascardo> the one sbeattie wanted to include in the testing
[16:23] <cascardo> the thing is: the reproducer works fine on the fixed kernel
[16:23] <apw> cascardo, where they were assuming they could expand down two pages or something right, when the stack pointer is not in the page
[16:23] <cascardo> no, not that one
[16:24] <cascardo> the code just uses /proc/self/maps to look for the stack start and touch it
[16:24] <apw> hmm
[16:24] <apw> and you know this test does that ?
[16:25] <oSoMoN> isolating the test case is not gonna be an easy task, as it involves the libreoffice launcher, which is quite a beast (and my knowledge of that codebase is inexistent)
[16:25] <cascardo> apw: that's what jvm does when creating the main thread stack
[16:26] <oSoMoN> the good news is that the failure is 100% reproducible on launchpad builders
[16:26] <cascardo> so it affected any jvm... now, that's something else in this libreoffice build test, if it really fails with 4.4.0-83
[16:47] <smb> cascardo, just to point out that these are i386/32bit builds. 32bit is often fragile and nowadays less well looked after
[16:59] <oSoMoN> one potentially interesting data point is that the same test was failing on amd64 when I built a snap with kernel 4.4.0-81.104, and it passed with 4.4.0-83.106
[16:59] <oSoMoN> so 4.4.0-83.106 appears to have reliably fixed the issue for amd64, but not for i386
[17:13] <cascardo> ah...
[17:13] <cascardo> worth taking a look at that
[18:38] <cascardo> hum... reproducer works on i686 kernel 4.4.0-79, breaks in 4.4.0-81 and works again in 4.4.0-83
[19:06] <cascardo> same thing with the jsvc reproducer


[15:48] <Marioemtec> hi
[20:34] <studio-user783> while installing ubuntu studio  I receive the error 'grub-install /dev/sda failed' while attempting to install Ubuntu as the computer's only OS please help


[12:52] <frank-be> hi, I am looking for an (open source) project that allows easy web-configuration of netplan configs
[12:53] <frank-be> I want to add it to an ubuntu based device, so that non-tech users can easily configure the network using a web interface (static ip / dhcp, static routes, maybe wifi)
[13:34] <slyon> frank-be: I am not aware of any such project for web based netplan configuration..
[13:35] <slyon> But iirc there was somebody here in the channel a few days ago who wanted to work on something similar
[15:31] <frank-be> if someone is, let me know :)


[04:42]  * tumbleweed waves from a little cove on the Pakleni Islets
[06:41] <sflr> morning y'all
[06:52] <charlvn> good morning all
[09:29] <Kilos> yo superfly and others
[09:29] <Kilos> we just got power for the fdirst time today
[09:30] <Kilos> hi deegee__ with a tail
[09:31] <deegee__> Kilos: hehe too many disconnects today
[09:31]  * drussell has to fly, have a good day all
[09:31] <Kilos> lo dLimit Banlam charlvn nuvolari inetpro
[09:32] <Kilos> drubin, all well?
[09:33] <Kilos> yo sflr
[09:33] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[09:33] <sflr> hey Kilos, charlvn :)
[09:34] <charlvn> hi sflr
[09:34]  * Kilos wonders if zeref got his vlc to show vids
[09:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:36] <Kilos> hi there tweeter
[09:36] <Kilos> kinda cold for a bike hey?
[09:37] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what are you doing on the Pakleni Islets?
[09:37] <Kilos> tumbling of course
[09:38] <Kilos> oh for the tumbling tumbleweed
[09:38] <Kilos> there was a song about that long long ago
[09:40] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:41] <Kilos> you gonna talk at that workshop superfly ?
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: hah, tumbleweed tumbling in the wind, could be a nice title for a song
[09:41] <Kilos> inetpro, there is a song like that
[09:42] <superfly> Kilos: No, I'm not good at presentations
[09:42] <Kilos> aw superfly
[09:42] <Kilos> maybe you can team up with sflr and make him do the talking
[09:43] <Kilos> hi Superhuman
[09:44] <Superhuman> hey Kilos
[09:44] <Superhuman> How goes?
[09:44] <Kilos> you well Superhuman ?
[09:44] <Kilos> all fine here ty
[09:44] <Superhuman> yeah, still going stong
[09:44] <Kilos> hehe
[09:44] <Superhuman> *strong
[09:46] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbPPnCb3XJE
[09:47] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbling_Tumbleweeds
[09:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I believe you :-)
[09:48] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <sflr> which presentation Kilos? on FoSS?
[09:50] <Kilos> yes sflr its in our mailing list
[09:51] <sflr> yeah, i saw that. it depends if its technical or marketing talk
[09:52] <Kilos> answer his mail and ask for more info on what he wants
[09:52] <sflr> haha, right. will do that.
[09:55] <sflr> anyone here with Edge Side Includes (ESI) experience?
[09:57] <charlvn> what? edge side includes?
[09:58] <charlvn> reading on the wikipedia...
[10:02] <charlvn> interesting, the namespacing is vague in the w3c spec
[10:02]  * inetpro also acting surprised at hearing a new buzzword
[10:03] <charlvn> it does make a lot of sense for something like this to exist
[10:04] <inetpro> very interesting indeed
[10:04] <charlvn> i'm concerned about the parsing though
[10:05] <charlvn> and the w3c document is vague
[10:05] <charlvn> http://www.w3.org/TR/esi-lang
[10:05] <charlvn> it sounds extremely inefficient to send the entire document through an xml parser just to replace some content
[10:06] <charlvn> besides, most (x)html on the web does not conform to xml requirements
[10:07] <charlvn> i suspect it is parsed once and then cached in some way
[10:23] <sflr> yeah, currently you can cache static content (images, scripts, etc) on Akamai Edge servers. The idea of ESI is to be able to cache some dynamic content as well
[10:24] <sflr> but I was thinking what real advantage ESI has compared to Ajax, where the page gets assembled on the client side.
[10:45] <Kilos> inetpro, i had to remind you about something, well im reminding you
[10:46] <Kilos> can you member what it was?
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[10:46] <Kilos> hehe
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you can do me the honors and talk to the people
[10:47] <inetpro> :-)
[10:47] <Kilos> oh here?
[10:47] <inetpro> yep
[10:48] <Kilos> Maaz, announce monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE
[10:48] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting here on monday night all of you. BE THERE
[10:48] <Kilos> um here
[10:48]  * inetpro lol
[10:49] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[10:49] <Kilos> we can also add an attempt to revive the LPI classes
[10:49] <sflr> maybe remove June 2 meeting from the title, then Monday meeting will be in front :)
[10:49] <Kilos> yw inetpro
[10:49] <inetpro> obviously all of you are welcome to add more items to the agenda at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/
[10:49] <sflr> whats LPI classes?
[10:50] <Kilos> linux professional institute methinks
[10:50] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[10:50] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[10:50] <sflr> ok. i thought Launch Pad Intro. haha
[10:51] <Kilos> hehe
[10:51] <Kilos> we started but our tutor got kinda busy
[10:51] <sflr> Looks good. I am interested.
[10:51] <inetpro> drubin, tumbleweed, superfly: can you please edit the topic or give me op rights so we can remove the Rosebank event
[10:52] <Kilos> there is a place to register and you will be recognised world wide once you pass the exam
[10:52] <Kilos> also they give study stuff
[10:52] <Kilos> be patient i will try find it
[10:52] <inetpro> a short link for our agenda is: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY
[10:53] <Kilos> inetpro, will it change every month or can that be a permanent link?
[10:54] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately it will change every month
[10:54] <Kilos> aw
[10:55] <inetpro> Kilos: at least it will help to keep us active in here
[10:56] <Kilos> yeah, lets hope. too many guys are becoming lurkers
[11:01] <Kilos> aw goosie it went to wrong place in agenda
[11:01] <Kilos> should be 8. didnt know one had to tell it. stupid thing
[11:05] <sflr> LPI Certification Level 1 manual: http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[11:06] <Kilos> im looking tween other things sflr . there is a place to register too
[11:06] <sflr> what did you add Kilos? I can't see 8 in Agenda
[11:06] <Kilos> it went in on 2
[11:06] <Kilos> grrr
[11:07] <Kilos> we even have a channel for the classes
[11:07] <Kilos> #linux_studies
[11:07] <Kilos> ooo
[11:07] <sflr> oh i see. thanks. I join
[11:07] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[11:14] <sflr>  A good report on how a certification has an impact on salary: http://www.lpi.org/blog/global-knowledge-2012-it-skills-and-salary-report
[11:15] <Kilos> inetpro, can you edit agenda and move item 2 to end off queue
[11:16] <sflr> I try.lol
[11:17] <Kilos> good
[11:17] <inetpro> Kilos: done... moved to number 6
[11:17] <sflr> moved down to 6
[11:17] <sflr> see if its ok
[11:17] <Kilos> yay ty
[11:17] <sflr> did u move it? lol. i thought was me. haha
[11:17] <Kilos> not me
[11:18] <Kilos> one of the lurkers
[11:18] <inetpro> hmm....
[11:18] <Kilos> hehe
[11:18] <inetpro> guess we both did it
[11:18] <sflr> its cool. I updated it, but then got overwritten.
[11:18] <inetpro> :-)
[11:18] <sflr> :) no prob
[11:18] <sflr> I changed the title to capital. Revival
[11:19] <Kilos> well done
[11:19] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, he can also do it and you could as well :-)
[11:19] <Kilos> i dont see an edit button there inetpro , but refreshing all the time chews data
[11:19] <inetpro> I just put the last item as order number 99 to keep it last
[11:20] <sflr> yes Kilos. you just need to click on the title of the agenda item, then you get into the edit screen
[11:20] <Kilos> oh ty will try member that next time
[11:21] <Kilos> i thought of a few more things last night just before dozing off but they gone now
[11:21] <sflr> haha lol
[11:21] <sflr> I guess the dream was better :)
[11:22] <Kilos> hehe too cold to dream
[11:22] <Kilos> ha got it i think sflr
[11:23] <Kilos> http://linux-studies.za.net/index.php?title=Special:RequestAccount&action=confirmemail&wpEmailToken=c5b8354f5ee228b778eb62ee95eedf37
[11:23] <sflr> that's true, too cold
[11:23] <Kilos> aw wrong one methinks
[11:23] <sflr> I think that is for your account registration
[11:24] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/news/lpi-announces-linux-essentials-program
[11:24] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/introductory-programs/linux-essentials
[11:24] <Kilos> one of them must be it
[11:24] <Kilos> you register and they mail you a number
[11:25] <zeref> huuurrrrmmm
[11:26] <sflr> Thanks! I will sign up later. I need to prepare for a meeting now with a presentation.
[11:27] <Kilos> lo zeref fixed vlc yet?
[11:28] <zeref> mope
[11:28] <Kilos> eish
[11:28] <zeref> using xine now
[11:29] <Kilos> purge vlc and look in home for any conf files and delete them too then install again
[11:30] <Kilos> nothing in home i see
[11:41] <Kilos> bbl guys be good
[11:48] <Kerbero> is daar dalk 'n henry botha op hierdie channel?
[12:57] <Kilos> wow something is sick, what a struggle to get on here
[13:16] <inetghost> sorry for the spam guys
[13:16] <Kilos> hi there ghost
[13:16] <Kilos> booo to you too
[13:17]  * inetpro was just cycling through my nicks to make sure I still keep ownership
[13:17] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[13:17] <inetpro> guess I should have done it while not connected to a channel
[13:18] <Kilos> not a prob old man , we all know you arent a spammer
[13:18] <Kilos> by choice anyway
[13:20] <Kilos> i blew your agenda again because i dont read properly
[13:35] <Kilos> eish
[13:37] <Kilos> fixed i hope
[13:51] <charlvn> inetpro: i see your troll and i hereby award with you: http://i.imgur.com/T80zN.png
[13:53] <inetpro> E I S H !!
[14:03] <sflr> yeah, there will be a database cleanup over the weekend
[14:03] <sflr> KaBoom! All nicks unused for 150 days or more will be dropped from the database.
[14:09] <bakuman> O_o
[14:13] <charlvn> nice that is a good thing
[14:13] <charlvn> but why have so many nicks.... feels a bit like domain squatting
[14:15] <sflr> you can have different and group them together. mostly used when you get disconnected and reconnected, then you can use a _ nick. I also have an _away nick
[14:16] <sflr> its meant to be used within reason, not to bring split personalities online :)
[14:17] <charlvn> sflr: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html :)
[14:25] <sflr> haha, yeah it used to be bad!
[14:26] <charlvn> imho still is :)
[14:26] <sflr> I prefer using _away, at least people know not to expect a reply any time soon
[14:27] <sflr> haha, hope you not referring to inetpro's list above ;)
[14:28] <inetpro> heh!
[14:29] <charlvn> no i meant using _away in nicks etc
[14:30] <sflr> okay. guess it is a habit then :)
[14:58] <Banlam> one of those days when there's just not enough time
[15:52] <inetpro> Banlam: welcome to my everyday world
[15:52] <Banlam> that makes me sad
[16:32] <sflr> ahoy locos!
[16:45] <charlvn> yeah since when this not having enough time anything new in ict
[17:02] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:09] <charlvn> hi magespawn
[17:12] <magespawn> Hey charlvn
[17:12] <inetpro> charlvn: hmm...  :) I'm here, just working o_O
[17:49] <Kilos> lol enjoy sflr
[17:52] <sflr> Kilos, did you read Michael's reply regarding the workshop?
[17:52] <Kilos> yeah
[17:52] <sflr> need to present to academic staff and post grads
[17:52] <Kilos> is that your level
[17:53] <sflr> not my cup of coffee. i like hacking things together.
[17:53] <Kilos> you can say anything as long as you promote ubuntu as well
[17:53] <sflr> they like theory and more theory
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[17:53] <smile-busy> Kilos: ping :p
[17:53] <Kilos> there are gonna be students too
[17:54] <Kilos> inetpro, i need some clarification please
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: clarification?
[17:54] <Kilos> kinda mixed up with what install fests are etc
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, we haven't had that in many years
[17:55] <Kilos> release parties too
[17:55] <sflr> yes, I would rather do some UH at the university
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: no, release parties we have had plenty
[17:55] <Kilos> wasnt the plan to have release parties when cds arrived
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: the cds are always late
[17:56] <Kilos> sflr, you must get together with maia when she does her next UH
[17:57] <Kilos> yes inetpro but the aim is to advertise and spread ubuntu isnt it?
[17:57] <Kilos> so what is the party waits for cds to arrive
[17:59] <Kilos> sflr, do you know all the sudo apt-get update and upgrade thigs
[17:59] <Kilos> things
[18:00] <sflr> I do use it Kilos
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: things change
[18:01] <Kilos> good
[18:01] <sflr> ok, I will chat to her then
[18:01] <inetpro> these days most peeps just download the released version themselves
[18:01] <sflr> party? I like parties ;)
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> you not so old hey, you like inetpro 's age
[18:02] <sflr> Yes, I also prefer downloading
[18:02] <sflr> young in spirit. haha
[18:02] <sflr> here is an ubuntu/linux question: is it possible to do Adobe Flash development on Ubuntu? I need to recompile some source code into swf
[18:03] <Kilos> ask maaz
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubuntu flash developement on ubuntu
[18:03] <Maaz> Kilos: "actionscript - Flash development under Ubuntu - Programmers" http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/85302/flash-development-under-ubuntu :: "Flash development - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1285056 :: "RestrictedFormats/Flash - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash :: "Linux Today - Flash development in Ubuntu 10.04 with Eclipse and ..." http://ww
[18:04] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[18:04] <sflr> haha, thanks.  He mentioned you might need a data sponsorship with the title
[18:25] <Kilos> ha ha ha he is so white at times
[18:26] <sflr> I find Twitter good channel to get the word out quick
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah twitter and facebook
[18:27] <Kilos> everything is there nowadays
[18:27] <sflr> yeah, i got bored of FB few years ago already. haha
[18:27] <Kilos> but fb is a major data hog
[18:28] <Kilos> sflr, do you use other im goodies too
[18:28] <sflr> Tweetdeck for Chrome is pretty slick. HTML5
[18:29] <Kilos> i mean do you chat on them
[18:29] <sflr> I use Gtalk, Skype, Google Hangouts. mostly for work
[18:29] <Kilos> i have twitter in my pidgin but only look there now and again
[18:30] <Kilos> do you use pidgin?
[18:30] <sflr> what's your twitter handle?
[18:30] <Kilos> can do all of them in one place
[18:30] <Kilos> sharpeys
[18:30] <sflr> no, i dont use pidgin. used it before though.
[18:31] <sflr> found you :)
[18:31] <sflr> I think mxit is also on pidgin
[18:32] <Kilos> i use mxit and xmpp on pidgin for family
[18:32] <smile-busy> bye :)
[18:32] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:33] <sflr> cool! havent used mxit in long time
[18:33] <smile-busy> Kilos: daag! :)
[18:33] <smile-busy> knuffel :)
[18:33] <smile-busy> = hug ;)
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> funny guy
[18:34] <Kilos> wb sflr
[18:35] <sflr_> timeout. lol
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> aw i lost twitter on my pidgin
[18:36]  * Kilos cries
[18:36] <sflr_> what do you mean you lost it?!
[18:37] <Kilos> my drive got some bad sectors in the mbr last week and i had to start from scratch
[18:38] <sflr> oh krap
[18:38] <charlvn> happens
[18:38] <Kilos> been trying to find a way to move the mbr but i dont think you can
[18:38] <charlvn> very irritating
[18:39] <charlvn> move the mbr?
[18:39] <charlvn> in principle you should be able to reinstall the grub boot loader into the mbr
[18:39] <charlvn> i have tried to do it once or twice but that was on an efi boot loader system and i couldn't get it to work
[18:40] <charlvn> but it's probably because i didn't spend enough time figuring it out
[18:40] <Kilos> the mbr is the first 512k on the drive, i was hoping i could move it a bit
[18:40] <charlvn> yeah i know but i don't think you can really "move" it
[18:40] <Kilos> to like from 513k to 1024k
[18:41] <charlvn> actually i'm not sure... if you have bad sectors, in principle it should be possible, but i never tried it
[18:41] <charlvn> that's a tricky one
[18:41] <Kilos> yeah moving the boot sector isnt a prob , but the mbr is serious
[18:42] <charlvn> hmmm
[18:44] <charlvn> yeah if you have other sectors that get damaged but if it's the master boot record it could get tricky
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah
[18:49] <charlvn> have any of you people played with the raspberry pi
[18:49] <charlvn> i haven't either but i have been following the development
[18:49] <charlvn> i am quite keen on this project ...
[18:51] <charlvn> i am busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaIjCLVmqXU - around 24:20 they have an interview with the founder
[18:53] <inetpro> charlvn: I've been ignoring the buzz, what's it about?
[18:54] <charlvn> inetpro: it's a small arm-based linux "computer" that you can use a bit like a fancy microcontroller
[18:54] <inetpro> ahh
[18:54] <charlvn> costs $25 - who could argue
[18:55] <charlvn> about 20 euro or 210 zar
[18:56] <charlvn> they are working on all kinds of expansions etc
[18:56] <charlvn> could be handy for physical security monitoring or access control, robotics etc, besides just being a fancy toy :)
[18:58] <inetpro> charlvn: have you seen the calxeda system?
[18:58] <inetpro> YIKES!
[18:58] <charlvn> it's an arm-based server right?
[18:58] <inetpro> my 8ta connection is absolutely terrible this evening
[18:59] <charlvn> heard about it but haven't been hands-on or anything
[18:59] <inetpro> charlvn: arm based
[18:59] <inetpro> yes
[18:59] <charlvn> i am quite positive about arm-based microprocessors
[19:00] <charlvn> anything to challenge the x86 intel all-your-base
[19:00] <charlvn> and it's efficient too
[19:06] <inetpro> yep, looks like a new market with lots of potential indeed
[19:06] <sflr> looks interesting. are you planning to buy one charlvn?
[19:08] <sflr_> connection is krap
[19:08] <Kilos> the whole internet is sick today
[19:09] <charlvn> sflr_: i should definitely buy one although i don't really know what i really want to do with it yet
[19:09] <inetpro> ahh, so it's not just me?
[19:09] <Kilos> boys and their toys
[19:09] <sflr_> the site says they built it for the kids to learn programming :)
[19:11] <charlvn> yeah that's what the founder said during the interview i linked to above
[19:11] <charlvn> although i think it can be just handy for a lot of things
[19:11] <sflr_> but if you look at the specs is really hardcore. blueray quality graphics, ARM1176JZFS processor, usb, lan. all on a credit card sized board
[19:12] <sflr_> Processor technical doc: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/DDI0301H_arm1176jzfs_r0p7_trm.pdf
[19:12] <charlvn> yeah it
[19:12] <charlvn> it's not half bad
[19:13] <charlvn> education is good but i am looking for real world uses for it
[19:13] <sflr_> 245 sec ping. haha. mutter! is there a freenode SA server?
[19:14] <charlvn> nope unfortunately not
[19:14] <Kilos> sflr_, inetpro do you's public timeline twitter
[19:14] <sflr_> yes, i agree charlvn. I played with Arduino for home automation, but this look much better :)
[19:14] <charlvn> yup and cheap
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[19:14] <charlvn> more power for less i mean
[19:15] <Kilos> gtwitter has a choice of public timeline or friends
[19:15] <sflr_> yes, the small size is big advantage
[19:15] <Kilos> if you got good eyes
[19:16] <sflr_> almost scarry to think about it
[19:16] <sflr_> Kilos, not sure. I use Tweetdeck, Android app and Twitter.com
[19:17] <Kilos> do you see everybodys tweets?
[19:17] <Kilos> or friends and followers only
[19:17] <sflr_> Tweetdeck is good to manage multiple accounts, lists
[19:17] <sflr_> I see tweets of who I follow
[19:17] <Kilos> sec i check if maverick has tweetdeck
[19:18] <charlvn> yeah the public timeline won't be too interesting, it's just a flood
[19:18] <Kilos> na
[19:19] <sflr_> there is a Tweetdeck for Chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hbdpomandigafcibbmofojjchbcdagbl
[19:19] <sflr_> if you use Chrome. lol
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> maybe gtwitter is more thrifty
[19:20] <Kilos> with luck it will use tcp not a browser
[19:21] <charlvn> i think it just uses http requests in the background in any case
[19:21] <charlvn> the twitter api is all http afaik
[19:21] <sflr_> yes, that's correct
[19:21] <charlvn> although, if it uses JSON, it's much more compact on data than say XML or especially normal HTML
[19:22] <sflr_> what does it take to get an SA freenode server?
[19:22] <Kilos> the thing is if you go publick timeline dont you then see everybodys tweets
[19:22] <Kilos> sflr_, speak to Symmetria
[19:22] <inetpro> cool
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: topic is changed
[19:22] <charlvn> sflr_: there is also the twitter streaming api, i have used it a couple of times, but i don't know how many clients make use of it
[19:23] <sflr_> I never came across any twitter timeline showing everybody's tweets. that is like thousands per second
[19:23] <Kilos> i see inetpro . what did you change
[19:23] <charlvn> sflr_: in principle it is supposed to be super efficient but i think most clients still use polling every x seconds
[19:23] <Kilos> yeah it has a setting where you can change it, default is 5mins
[19:23]  * inetpro called in for help with op rights from the highvoltage guru
[19:23] <charlvn> inetpro: i think you can just use chanserv to set the topic of the channel directly, it's easier
[19:24] <sflr_> i understand. most people still think of polling solution to dial the server
[19:24] <sflr_> thanks inetpro for title update.
[19:24] <charlvn> inetpro: sorry cancel that, apparenty not on freenode
[19:25] <inetpro> charlvn: ahh, thanks
[19:25] <Kilos> oh i see all the sites are there too
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... I'll try
[19:25] <Kilos> well done inetpro
[19:26] <sflr> cut off at the end of title? -> Pastebin: paste.ubuntu.c
[19:26] <inetpro> charlvn: it works
[19:27] <inetpro> sflr: fixed
[19:27] <sflr> kool. now it just needs some flashing neon light. haha
[19:27] <charlvn> inetpro: oh wait sorry, i was looking under the wrong place, it's just /msg chanserv topic, not /msg chanserv set topic
[19:28] <charlvn> inetpro: was looking under the wrong place, knew it was possible somehow lol
[19:29] <inetpro> that topic is just so terribly long
[19:30] <sflr> haha. thinking in code #getsetters
[19:30] <charlvn> re hosting a freenode server: https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
[19:30] <charlvn> not unreasonable requirements imho
[19:30] <inetpro> charlvn: cool
[19:31] <inetpro> charlvn: how about setting up one on our local shores?
[19:32] <inetpro> we used to beg Symmetria to setup a server for us when he was still at Tenet, but he never got around to do it
[19:32] <sflr> it would be a big advantage for us, as I suspect most ubuntu-za citizens are from SA
[19:32] <charlvn> yeah that would make sense
[19:32] <charlvn> freenode is quite a major network
[19:33] <charlvn> if i remember correctly, i spoke to Symmetria about this issue a long time ago
[19:33] <sflr> it says 350Gig traffic per month, but I dont think anybody from northern hemisphere wants to connect to an SA server
[19:33] <charlvn> and if i recall correctly, the reason they didn't want to do it at tenet is because freenode requires ssh access to the server
[19:33] <charlvn> that is quite a strange requirement actually for joining an irc server to a network
[19:33] <charlvn> most other networks don't have that requirement - irc.ac.za subsequently got linked to efnet instead
[19:33] <charlvn> they are more relaxed on this issue i think
[19:33] <sflr> yes, where would you put it? outside the datacenter :)
[19:34] <sflr> I will find out, but who would do this setup? somebody from freenode?
[19:35] <charlvn> my virtual server at hetzner has a 1TB per month soft cap and then i get shaped down to 10mbps (instead of 100mbps)
[19:35] <charlvn> but that's hosted in germany, not .za
[19:35] <sflr> Probably I can get a server sponsored locally, but I wont be able to set it up
[19:35] <charlvn> sflr: it's a good question, but it doesn't look too tough to do it from a software perspective
[19:35] <charlvn> i'm happy to help with this in any case, just saying
[19:36] <inetpro> sflr: that sounds like a great offer
[19:36] <sflr> yeah, that would be great!. It would be in Cape Town, if there are no objections. haha
[19:37]  * inetpro is always willing to help as time allows
[19:37] <charlvn> same here
[19:38] <inetpro> charlvn: so what do we need, ubuntu server or *bsd?
[19:38] <sflr> charlvn, do you think a Virtual server will do it?
[19:39] <charlvn> inetpro: according to the site, anything running the linux 2.6 kernel is fine, so i'm sure ubuntu would do the trick just fine
[19:39] <inetpro> cool
[19:39] <sflr> the site says: FreeBSD 8+ or Linux 2.6
[19:39] <charlvn> sflr: they seem to have a preference for a dedicated server but that's old-school, i think a virtual server with enough resources would be the way to go
[19:39] <charlvn> yeah i guess it doesn't really matter, linux or bsd, for this instance
[19:40] <inetpro> I think a VM is worth a try
[19:40] <Kilos> inetpro, i sjoed you
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[19:40] <Kilos> hehe tweeted you sjoe with your 200 followers man
[19:40] <sflr> Kilos, you must promote yourself on twitter from an egg ;)
[19:41]  * inetpro lol
[19:41] <Kilos> sflr, huh?
[19:41] <sflr> Ok, I will try for a VM based on the specs
[19:41] <charlvn> lol this conversation is turning weird
[19:41] <sflr> Kilos, I am talking about your Twitter avatar
[19:41] <charlvn> sflr: sounds good
[19:41] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:42] <charlvn> sorry i need to go as well
[19:42] <sflr> charlvn, the only real problem I see is to find a place on it on the network. Open ports, etc
[19:42] <charlvn> ciao all!
[19:42] <Kilos> this will take a while man.
[19:42] <sflr> ok bye
[19:42] <Kilos> cheers charlvn
[19:43] <Kilos> gtwitters prefs open opera browser here
[19:44] <Kilos> inetpro, do you guys look at all of those tweets
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: all those tweets?
[19:44] <Kilos> yeah from eshistoria etc
[19:45] <inetpro> hmm... I think twitter is oppiekoffie vandag
[19:45] <sflr> Kilos, you need to follow more people :)
[19:45] <Kilos> so then one just goes with friends and follows them only not everyone
[19:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:46] <Kilos> but to follow you need to find who to follow first
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:46] <sflr> you will get the hang of it. you follow interesting people, companies
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:47] <sflr> yes, that takes time. you can look in trends, search for things. look at friends followers, etc
[19:47] <sflr> I follow and unfollow lots of people, if I dont find them interesting anymore.
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <sflr> There are also lots of bots on twitter. sexy chicks following you :) then spam you to death
[19:48] <Kilos> eish
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I only tweet like 3.1 times per day
[19:49] <sflr> if you like somebody's tweet, then you just retweet it
[19:50] <Kilos> whew now i get mail from twitter too
[19:50] <inetpro> ahh... mobile twitter ftw! https://mobile.twitter.com/
[19:50] <Kilos> ok first i go trends and go change hey?
[19:51] <Kilos> or leave it at tailored friends
[19:52] <Kilos> see tweets like  you are the toughest guy in your school will drive me nuts
[19:53] <sflr> you get suggestions. you can set to show trends locally or internationally, etc
[19:53] <sflr> inetpro, I hated mobile.twitter. But the Android app is pretty cool. Except the crashes. haha
[19:54] <inetpro> sflr: somehow the normal twitter is extremely slow for me this evening, especially when trying to post something
[19:56] <sflr> hmm.. that sounds like a big problemo
[19:56] <inetpro> but I think it's an unstable connection from 8ta
[19:56] <inetpro> very inconsistent and lot's of packet losses on and off
[19:57] <sflr> in the twitter architecture, the write operation is quick, so you can see your own tweet (and make you think your friends see it too :))
[19:57] <sflr> ok, that sounds like 8ta then
[19:57] <sflr> my connection had problems earlier, but now its working. even the soccer is streaming properly
[20:04] <Kilos> inetpro, can you go twitter with elinks
[20:04] <Kilos> ?can one i mean
[20:04] <Kilos> already 20m gone with a browser
[20:05] <inetpro>  Kilos: hmm... not so sure
[20:05] <inetpro> technically probably yes
[20:05] <Kilos> ok i will try
[20:05] <inetpro> just not sure how the authentication would work
[20:05] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:06] <sflr> you can try the mobile version, much lighter on resources https://mobile.twitter.com/
[20:06] <sflr> user's backgrounds are big in size
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: you could also turn off images in your browser
[20:11] <inetpro> in Firefox select Preferences, click Content and uncheck Load images automatically
[20:11] <Kilos> lol you forgot i purged firefox
[20:12] <Kilos> have epiphany and opera
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: you removed it entirely?
[20:12] <Kilos> just some ubufox stuff still there methinks
[20:13] <inetpro> hmm... well, you could do the same thing with Opera
[20:13] <inetpro> what version of Opera>
[20:13] <inetpro> ?
[20:15] <inetpro> Apparently you click on View in your Opera menu, select the Images and Show images
[20:15] <Kilos> sjoe slow down im still trying to find the version
[20:16] <Kilos> mine doesnt show any images
[20:16] <Kilos> 11.64.1403
[20:16] <Kilos> must be a new one
[20:17] <inetpro> but I must be honst, sites are looking terrible with images disabled these days
[20:17] <Kilos> yeah but if you are uncapped then images are fine
[20:18] <Kilos> maybe i should use gwibber like before hey?
[20:18] <inetpro> web developers no longer consider the visually impaired
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:20] <Kilos> wow no wonder im falling of the chair
[20:20] <Kilos> look at the time
[20:22] <Kilos> the mobile twitter is more thrifty
[20:25] <Kilos> night inetpro sflr see you tomorrow
[20:25] <Kilos> night everyone else too
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: good night


[00:00] <RjG> oh good, Have a hardware issue that is fixed in 6.6.11, and 6.7 or higher
[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Nice!
[00:00] <Eickmeyer> 23.10 uses 6.6 FWIW, if you want to use that now.
[00:00] <Eickmeyer> It's pretty close to what you'll expect.
[00:01] <RjG> I did find a small issue in the daily build from the 20th :(  I fired it up in virtualbox and it goes into an endless loop on the new installer and safe graphics mode does the same.
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> Issue is known. Desktop team has 100% control over the new installer, we have zero control except some customizations.
[00:02] <RjG> I used virtual box's UEFI mode and TPM v2.0
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's not going to matter.
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> I reported it already, they know.
[00:03] <Eickmeyer> Logs, everything.
[00:03] <RjG> one that I wold like to see cause its not that easy to get it to work is to have a secondary disk used as an encrypted swap.
[00:03] <Eickmeyer> I can't make any promises as I'm not developing the new installer nor do I have any input.
[00:04] <Eickmeyer> It's... a sore subject.
[00:04] <RjG> even a tool to convert a swap partition to an automounting encrypted swap...
[00:05] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, that's not too hard to do with encrypted LVM in the first place.
[00:06] <Eickmeyer> We'll have to wait and see what's implemented. Feature freeze is in a week.
[00:06] <RjG> the automount part I haven't got to work :( I think I am missing something..
[00:06] <Eickmeyer> Automount is always in /etc/fstab
[00:06] <RjG> I have my swap on a spinning disk drive with the main system on a sonlid state.
[00:07] <RjG> I have been attempting to do that through editing the fstab then reload but its not automounting :(
[00:08] <RjG> I have to unlock then mount after the sytem is up.
[00:08] <Eickmeyer> Hmm... yeah, I've never attempted on a second disk. Try asking in #ubuntu and see if someone might have an idea.
[00:09] <RjG> I did it that way cause I have 128 gig swap...
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> How much RAM?
[00:09] <RjG> 64 gig
[00:10] <Eickmeyer> Ah. Yeah, same here, and I don't even use swap. Honestly, if you're doing audio work, you want to avoid using swap.
[00:10] <RjG> I also do home video editing...
[00:10] <Eickmeyer> Ah yeah. I do too, but haven't hit 64GB ever.
[00:11] <RjG> I actually hit 108 gig used when I had 32 gig of ram.
[00:12] <Eickmeyer> That makes sense, actually, because swap usage doesn't necessarily equate to what would be physical RAM usage.
[00:12] <RjG> found out the main reason for it was the editor had a memory leak :( that was later patched.
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> Yep, that would definitely be a good reason.
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> Either way, I'd ask in #ubuntu if anybody knows how to do encrypted swap on a second disk.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> Because, well, I certainly don't, and I'm the one paying most attention in here aside from arraybolt3 who *might* know, but idk.
[00:16] <RjG> one thing that would be nice in the installer  even for a future build is setting up encrypted with the maunal partitioner.  the guided wants to create a whole section of partitons that aren't even needed in an uefi boot as if it was a pre efi bios.
[00:20] <RjG> loaded question... is there an updated guide for 23.10 or a tool to convert an existing swap part on a secondary drive to an encrypted swap that will automount on system boot?
[00:21] <RjG> opps wrong cannel.. joined #ubuntu but didn't switch tabs
[00:34] <Eickmeyer> Ope, no worries.
[00:39] <RjG> Eickmeyer, there is one thing I hope the politions put up and through... require all chrombooks that are EOL a ffirmware that allows the user to totally remove the chrome OS and put a linux distro in place like the educational ubuntu flavor  < latter being much more secure, etc...
[00:58] <Eickmeyer> RjG: You mean Edubuntu? 1) My wife is the flavor lead, and 2) I'm the technical lead, that channel is #edubuntu. That would be nice, but yeah, you know how that goes.
[00:58] <RjG> pulling hen's teeth is less painfull...
[01:00] <RjG> I have an old tool that I'm hunting for some old profiles to get it fully working again for editing audio and video... a conture shuttle pro...


[00:01] <RAOF> Perth's pretty nice, too. Although it's suffering somewhat from the house-requires-firstborn-child now.
[00:03] <lifeless> RAOF: what?
[00:04] <RAOF> Perth house prices are moderately nutty now, what with the (continuing) resource boom.
[00:04] <lifeless> yes
[00:04] <lifeless> but how does the firstborn come into it? or are you just saying expensive ? :)
[00:05] <RAOF> I'm just saying expensive.
[00:05] <RAOF> Perhaps in an overly roundabout way.
[10:59] <apw> smb, any sign of a .33.y appearing yet?
[10:59] <smb> Apart from the tree which is there?
[11:00] <smb> Nothing in GKH s repo
[11:04] <smb> Q-FUNK, I saw your comments/updates on the bugs. Though I don't think not having a initramfs is a real workaround as it still seems to cause issues. Just not fatal.
[11:05] <smb> Q-FUNK, Though as we had some issues with Atom based CPUs, you might try the following option "mem=nopentium"
[11:05] <Q-FUNK> smb: correct.  it makes the bug non-fatal, but it also deprives users from the initramfs functionalities.
[11:06] <smb> Q-FUNK, I know yours is a Geode, but who knows, whether those share something
[11:06] <Q-FUNK> smb: I was mostly currious about instructions on how to figure out exactly what part of the initramfs payload is the culprit that messes with sysfs in a fatal way, whenever an initramfs image is used.
[11:07] <Q-FUNK> smb: well, geode technically is a i586, but sure, I can try that cmdline option.
[11:07] <smb> Q-FUNK, I don't think anything specific, the chances are high that it too changes timings. And having one less fs mounted also changes the chances of hitting a weird behavior in fs code
[11:08] <smb> Q-FUNK, The option will cause it not to use large (4M) pages but only 4K ones.
[11:10] <smb> But the weird behavior there always could not really be associated to code in the fs. Actually the fact that reading values just put into variables back made the error go away completely very much points to something with processor caches.
[11:12] <smb> Q-FUNK, I will be away for a bit, but please let us know if that option helps. It would give a bit more ideas on what to look for.
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> smb: I'm about to reboot the host with that option now.
[12:11] <Q-FUNK> smb: I'm not sure if these results are conclusive, but please see my additional comments.
[13:18]  * apw is curious as to the bug number
[13:22] <smb> ug 396286
[13:22] <smb> bug 396286
[13:23] <ubot3> Malone bug 396286 in linux "[Geode LX] [OLPC] 2.6.31-generic: kernel panic near the end of initramfs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286
[13:24] <smb> apw, ^
[13:24] <apw> ta
[13:51] <Q-FUNK> apw: any ideas on how to solve this bug 396286 ?
[13:51] <ubot3> Malone bug 396286 in linux "[Geode LX] [OLPC] 2.6.31-generic: kernel panic near the end of initramfs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286
[13:51] <apw> Q-FUNK, nothing other than what has been suggested
[13:52] <apw> Q-FUNK, in the bug you say 'noraid' helped but don't indicate in what way it helped
[13:52] <Q-FUNK> apw: I did. it made the error messages go away.
[13:53] <apw> your text says "without initramfs" to my reading it doesn't say if just the noraid is a work around with no other change
[13:58] <mozmck> I get four errors like this trying to compile the karmic kernel from git:
[13:58] <mozmck> drivers/usb/core/hcd.c:144: error: expected expression before '>>' token
[13:59] <mozmck> I'm using tag Ubuntu-2.6.31-20.57
[13:59] <mozmck> any idea why?
[13:59] <abogani> mozmck: Try git reset --hard origin
[14:00] <mozmck> bleh, I installed a patch, will it undo that?  I'm pretty sure my patch didn't touch that file...
[14:01] <abogani> mozmck: Yes it'll do it.
[14:02] <smb> Q-FUNK, apw My guess is that using noraid just avoids disk access because it does not need to scan for signatures...
[14:03] <Q-FUNK> smb: that sounds plausible.
[14:07] <Q-FUNK> smb: I really thought that this nopentium was gonna be it, since what it reports is a paging error.  apparently wasn't.
[14:09] <apw> so at least we have some knd of work around with noraid right
[14:09] <smb> Q-FUNK, It was worth a try. As it prevents the need to split large pages it would help if the Geode had issues there. Not that the CPU could have other issues. But I must say that I don't know how to proceed from here
[14:09] <Q-FUNK> it feels that way, although it baffles me as to why.
[14:09] <smb> apw, If I understood correctly this is only without having a initrd as well
[14:10] <apw> smb, that is not what i was just told iiuc
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> right. it didn't seem to affect operation with an initrd.
[14:10] <apw> ok does that mean that with an initrd it was still broken or not?
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> still borken with an initrd.
[14:11] <Q-FUNK> it only made the errors disappear when running without initrd.
[14:14] <smb> It feels a bit like disk activity at early boot -> problem. Maybe bad DMA? But why does it work when getting past that stage? And why does it help to read back a value that got written to a struct (is it really read or from a cache)?
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> from cache.
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> the errors appeared with 2.6.31, when ACL caching was added to all filesystem types.
[14:15] <smb> Q-FUNK, I meant a cpu cache. The ACL caching just happens to be some structure that really has bad effects when being wrong
[14:15] <Q-FUNK> ah
[14:16] <apw> one has to be suspicious that this cpu has a flaw
[14:16] <Q-FUNK> I doubt it, since kernels up to 2.6.30 run flawlessly.
[14:17] <Q-FUNK> there's really something shady that was done starting with 2.6.31 that buggers.
[14:18] <smb> Q-FUNK, This can just be something that was flawed before, but with the other changes now takes place
[14:18] <Q-FUNK> then again, a similar change happened with 2.6.23 that already killed support for older geodes.  that time, it was a known change and easy to spot.  not so this time.
[14:19] <Q-FUNK> apw had tried to help me inviestigate that older bug.  it turns out it was a complete rewrite of how some interupts are handled.
[14:25] <Q-FUNK> and there was no turning back on that change.  support for older geodes is factually gone (unless someone is willing to figure out what's wrong with the new implementation for that interrupt handler).
[14:25] <smb> Q-FUNK, Well the code change that triggers your problems this time has showed no bad parts on its own. Make a structure a bit bigger to add two pointers. Set those pointers to -1 (all bits set) and take that value as unset. Checking access functions to these pointers they are not accessed after init. But still some bits get cleared. But not if you read back the pointers directly after you written the values to the structure.
[14:29] <Q-FUNK> I'm wondering if what we're not seeing might be in some new include that implements the ACL caching's core functions or a mere copy/paste error.
[14:46] <tgardner> apw, what are the odds that a karmic->lucid upgrade will wreck my life? nVidia dual head being the salient issue.
[14:46] <apw> do both your heads work now?
[14:46] <apw> there are also hints that suspend/resume does not work so well with nvidia
[14:47] <apw> i would be concerned, and recommend you take a usb stick and test it before committing
[14:47] <apw> tgardner, ^
[14:47] <tgardner> apw, yep. both heads work. I never suspend/resume this box anyways.
[14:48] <tgardner> apw, any reports of neauvou (sp?) working with 2 heads?
[14:49] <apw> nouveau, i think the only report i have had was from smb who had poor experience with his external
[14:49] <tgardner> apw, thats different then a dual display
[14:49] <tgardner> dual DVI
[14:50] <smb> Right, its only single VGA
[14:50] <smb> (but behind monitor switch)
[14:50] <apw> point, then i think you'd be the first.  i'd be interested to know how it worked out but have no bacjground
[14:50]  * tgardner is not often a first adopter :)
[14:58] <apw> tgardner, what does msm stand for in our new branch
[15:00] <tgardner> apw, mobile station modem
[15:09] <apw> tgardner, i assume i should be treating this like any other distro arm kernel and making it work with our userspace
[15:09] <tgardner> apw, yep, did I miss some config options?
[15:10] <apw> no but there is a bunch of recent backports to handle lucid userspace
[15:10] <apw> amd pulling them over now
[15:11] <tgardner> apw, ppoll et al?
[15:11] <apw> devtmpfs, modules.builtin async_populatefs, kmsg permissions and ppoll
[15:12] <tgardner> egads, I missed a bunch of stuff
[15:12] <apw> nothing major, will take 10 mins i hope
[15:13] <tgardner> apw, just rebase that branch instead of starting a new release.
[15:13] <apw> tgardner, will do
[15:18] <apw> tgardner, how are we going to keep this branch in sync with other development?
[15:19] <tgardner> apw, other development? do you mean the chromeos tree?
[15:20] <apw> yeah i assume its going to be developed in a way that we have this lucid delta
[15:20] <apw> and need to maintain that on top
[15:21] <tgardner> apw, we _should_ be able to just cherrypick from the msm Qualcomm <IP_ADDRESS> branch. However, I don't expect that they'll be making many more changes.
[15:21] <tgardner> <IP_ADDRESS>*
[15:21] <apw> tgardner, ok cool, i guess we'll need to get that documented, where the master tree is sort of thing
[15:22] <tgardner> apw, I created a README*
[15:22] <apw> ahh good
[15:23] <tgardner> apw, this may not be cast in stone yet. Martin is pushing to cut over to 2.6.32 sometime in March.
[15:23] <apw> so we may have a replacement branch at .32 anyhow
[15:23] <tgardner> apw, possibly.
[15:26] <apw> tgardner, ok am bulding the 'final' branch now ...
[15:27] <tgardner> apw, ah, at least those patches just slid in. I can't remember if the config checks ended up in the karmic tree, from whence this originated
[15:27] <apw> heh no they arn't there yet, the backport will pull those over, one more thing on my todo which is nearly done
[15:29] <apw> tgardner, you using anything special to build test this branch?
[15:29] <apw> /home/apw/build/lucid/ubuntu-lucid/arch/arm/mach-msm/avs_hw.S: Assembler messages:
[15:29] <apw> /home/apw/build/lucid/ubuntu-lucid/arch/arm/mach-msm/avs_hw.S:36: Error: selected processor does not support `fmrx r3,fpexc'
[15:30] <manjo> tgardner, I saw you ans to the firmware question I had, the fw is not in any of the linux-firmware or linux-firmware-nonfree tree but it is part of the tarball source package
[15:30] <tgardner> apw, different cross-compile tools then I'm using?
[15:30] <apw> i am using the 2009q3 toolchains from code-sourcery, what you got?
[15:32] <tgardner> manjo, thats not really relevant. there must be a license for the firmware.
[15:32] <tgardner> apw, arm-2008q3, so I'm down-rev
[15:32] <apw> hrm
[15:32] <apw> tgardner, then i am suspicious its not toolchain
[15:32] <tgardner> apw, push your changes and I'm upgrade and get it sorted.
[15:32] <apw> can you pastebin your incantation to build it
[15:33] <apw> i suspect its me
[15:33] <tgardner> apw, hang on...
[15:33]  * apw holds everything and looks pensive
[15:33] <tgardner> apw, :) 'debuild --set-envvar=CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=1 --set-envvar=CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- --prepend-path=$(CROSSTOOLS_ROOT)/bin -b -nc -aarmel -us -uc'
[15:34] <tgardner> apw, nothing special really
[15:35] <apw> tgardner, ok branch pushed ... see if that builds for you
[15:35] <tgardner> apw, ack
[15:37] <manjo> tgardner, where should I be looking for a firmware license?
[15:37] <tgardner> manjo, I assume in that tarball.
[15:38] <tgardner> manjo, work with cnd. He's well versed in the issues.
[15:38] <manjo> cnd, ^^
[15:38] <cnd> manjo, give me a minute, writing up a bug report comment
[15:40] <apw> tgardner, same when invoked direct like you did ... oddness
[15:41] <tgardner> apw, building, it'll be done in a couple minutes
[15:41] <apw> its breaks right a the start for me, you using the old or new toolchaings
[15:41] <tgardner> the old one
[15:41] <tgardner> 2008q3
[15:41] <apw> yep, a good test
[15:42] <apw> thats a royal pain in the bottom
[15:42] <Sarvatt> has anyone seen any bugs around where 2.6.32-rc2+ need MMC/SDHC built into the kernel instead of as modules to get around hangs on suspend if a SD card has ever been mounted?
[15:42] <tgardner> apw, looks like its gonna finish
[15:43] <apw> Sarvatt, i think there was a few issues with mmc, i remember not being able to get them auto mounted, not sure i remember that specific error thoug
[15:43] <tgardner> apw, suppose there is a compiler flag that we need? I'll get the 2009q3 version and mess with it.
[15:43] <apw> tgardner, so the only question is why the tool chain is pissed off, is that a port issue
[15:43] <apw> i could upload it and see if it builds i guess
[15:44] <apw> would make testing hard and annoying tho
[15:44] <cnd> manjo, have you found the license in the tarball?
[15:44] <tgardner> apw, yeah, lets try and sort it before creating archive carnage
[15:44] <apw> tgardner, works for me
[15:44] <manjo> cnd, no there is no such file
[15:44] <Sarvatt> i built a kernel with SDHC/MMC built in and unsafe resume enabled and I'm able to suspend, but with the ubuntu kernels where they are modules it hangs when I try to suspend if I've ever mounted the sd and suspends fine even with a sd in the slot as long as I've never mounted it
[15:44] <Sarvatt> so strange
[15:44] <apw> tgardner, i am suspecting we need to get on the mir bandwagon too before we could upload it
[15:45] <cnd> manjo, does it seem to be an oversight on their part (i.e. it looks like it should be redistributable, but they don't have a license file)?
[15:45] <apw> Sarvatt, i suspend routinely with SDHC cards in my mini 10v
[15:45] <cnd> manjo: if so, I suggest emailing them to let them know
[15:45] <smb> Sarvatt, apw I think I tried to suspend on 2.6.32 but failed when a mmc card was mounted. But I have not tested lately...
[15:45] <cnd> manjo: for now though, we'll need to put it in linux-firmware-nonfree
[15:45] <manjo> cnd, I am emailing them now to find out
[15:45] <Sarvatt> it doesnt work on a mini9, you're lucky apw :D
[15:45] <smb> apw, Is yours the one attached to a usb controller...
[15:45] <manjo> cnd, is linux-firmware-nonfree part of our repos ?
[15:45] <apw> manjo, is there no licence on the whole tarball?
[15:46] <cnd> manjo: for -nonfree you have to use apt-get source
[15:46] <cnd> manjo: there's no git tree
[15:46] <apw> if not its not obvious we can take the driver either
[15:46] <cnd> manjo: it should be fairly obvious how it builds in debian/rules
[15:46] <manjo> cnd, wait I am confused
[15:47] <tgardner> apw, nah, I think this can be a universe package for the time being.
[15:47] <Sarvatt> smb: did it hang with the screen still on when you tried it?
[15:47] <manjo> cnd, there are is no repo for linux-firmware-nonfree, then where do I add the fw to ?
[15:47] <apw> tgardner, is there any hoop jumping for uploading a new package to universe?
[15:48] <cnd> manjo: there's no git tree, the process is just 1. take the latest package source 2. update it 3. upload the new source to somewhere rtg can get to 4. tell him to upload it into lucid
[15:48] <tgardner> apw, nope, you only have to be a core-dev, or have rights to linux source package (AFAIK)
[15:48] <smb> Sarvatt, backlight, yes (but blank/black screen) Seems to be the same right now
[15:48] <manjo> cnd, you are suggesting a dkms package ?
[15:48] <manjo> for the fw ?
[15:48] <apw> good enough you'll be able to shove it in then, i won't as i suspect i can't ask for upload rights to it till you have uploaded it once
[15:48] <cnd> manjo: no, a dkms package is only meant for kernel modules
[15:49] <cnd> manjo: this is like typical debian packaging
[15:49] <Sarvatt> ah my screen still shows what was on it when i suspended here, it definitely does most of the suspend because i hear the acerhdf module unloading and fan spinning up and when i reboot the network is still disabled
[15:49] <cnd> manjo: dkms is a package you install that builds a new kernel module from source for every kernel you subsequently install, so it's a special type of debian package
[15:49] <cnd> manjo: most debian packages are already built in binary form, so they just install files to the filesystem
[15:50] <manjo> cnd, I know what debian packages are
[15:50] <smb> Sarvatt, This is an Acer Aspire One as well?
[15:50] <manjo> I still don't get it
[15:50] <Sarvatt> yeah acer aspire one AOA150
[15:50] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/477106/comments/6
[15:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 477106 in linux "[regression] lucid alpha-2 and earlier freeze upon suspend with sd card plugged in with some hardware" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:50] <cnd> manjo: where's the disconnect?
[15:50] <smb> Sarvatt, Mine is AOA110
[15:50] <apw> manjo, the package is only in the archive, you get the source with apt-get source <foo>
[15:51] <apw> change it and upload that againt, it exists nowhere else but the archive
[15:51] <manjo> apw, ah! so don't add to /ubuntu
[15:51] <Sarvatt> same thing then but mines the HDD model
[15:51] <apw> this is just for the firmware ...
[15:51] <apw> manjo, does this driver have any licence at all?  where did you get it?
[15:51] <cnd> apw, manjo, it's just for firmware-nonfree
[15:52] <cnd> linux-firmware is kept in git
[15:52] <apw> cnd, right
[15:52] <apw> i meant in his case we were talking about just the firmware
[15:52] <cnd> yeah
[15:52] <smb> Sarvatt, Yes, so mine fades the screen to dark, fan is spinning to, then stays there as well. I see some disk activity before which stops at some point
[15:53] <smb> Sarvatt, I believe apw's sd slot is a USB device while the aoa is a pci/jmicron
[15:53] <apw> smb, yes could be
[15:53] <apw> please don't tell me there are more issues, thanks a lot
[15:53]  * Sarvatt nods
[15:55] <smb> apw, I can tell you not if you prefer. :-P
[15:55] <Sarvatt> i'll have to try just building mmc/sdhci/sdhci-pci into the kernel and not enabling unsafe resume to see if that also fixes it
[15:56] <apw> Sarvatt, sounds good, get a bug filed and let us know the number
[15:56] <apw> i'll need to find someone who can reproduce it to try and fix it ... :)
[15:57] <bjf> ##
[15:57] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:57] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[15:57] <bjf> ##
[15:59] <smb> Sarvatt, Yes, that would provide a better pointer. With unsafe suspend the card will not get ejected on suspend. iirc. And that might be the difference that counts
[16:00] <apw> smb, yeah mine get bounced every time i suspend i think
[16:01] <smb> apw, Though probably through a different mechanism. Just guessing, but usb probably has eject code in the core, while mmc does something similar somewhere else
[16:01] <apw> i think my big latop has an mmc, but that machine is broken for suspend already
[16:02]  * bjf just noticed the team meeting date in the topic
[16:02] <smb> bjf, But we cannot change it
[16:03] <smb> Sarvatt, In my tests I can suspend even after having had mounted the SD card. It just must not be mounted on suspend
[16:03] <apw> indeed one needs to be an op to do that
[16:03] <Sarvatt> apw: there's a bug here - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/477106 building a kernel with just the sd stuff built in and no unsafe resume now to see if that also works. i always enable unsafe resume on the kernels I build because its a pain remounting every resume when I usually have files open on the SD at suspend time :D
[16:03] <ubot3> Malone bug 477106 in linux "[regression] lucid alpha-2 and earlier freeze upon suspend with sd card plugged in with some hardware" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:04] <Sarvatt> smb: odd, here if I have ever mounted it even if its unmounted at suspend time it still hangs
[16:04] <Sarvatt> smb: are you using the left SD slot?
[16:05] <smb> Sarvatt, Yes, the right one only work(ed)s when I have a card in on boot
[16:05] <apw> Keybuk, hey ... i have a preliminary patch for this readahead tracking, and wondered if you fancy testing it
[16:06] <Keybuk> apw: hey, could you mail me the details and stuff
[16:06] <Keybuk> I'm in the middle of Plymouth at the moment and can't really drop state since this does need to be working by β1
[16:07] <apw> Keybuk, will do
[16:17] <Sarvatt> btw smb, you might want to add enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 to the kernel command line on your aspire one since they have screwy mtrr's
[16:18] <smb> Sarvatt, Heh, I know. I have enable_mtrr_cleanup alone.
[16:18] <Sarvatt> any particular reason we dont enable pcie aspm in the kernel config?
[16:18] <smb> Sarvatt, Because its marked experimental and "in doubt say no"?
[16:20] <Sarvatt> i could have sworn experimental got removed a few releases ago but I just looked and you're right
[16:21] <bjf> smb, did you want to change the topic?
[16:23] <smb> bjf, Yes, tried it before
[16:23] <apw> you nneed to be an op,
[16:24] <bjf> smb, I'm in #ubuntu-ops asking
[16:24] <johanbr> Sarvatt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/342096 seems related and has some useful information
[16:24] <ubot3> Malone bug 342096 in pm-utils "SD Card containing /home corrupted on resume" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:25] <Sarvatt>  /home on sd needs unsafe resume enabled in the kernel config, need to build your own kernel for that
[16:26]  * smb wonders whether that was his bug filed for Karmic
[16:27] <Sarvatt> that should probably be wontfix since i doubt you guys are ever going to enable unsafe resume by default :D
[16:28] <Sarvatt> oh looks like you did in hardy
[16:29] <smb> Sarvatt, Somehow it feels like unsafe might be safer than safe
[16:31] <Sarvatt> ohh nice
[16:31] <smb> Sarvatt, would unsafe resume work for you also when built as a module? Won't promise anything but it might help on a decision
[16:31] <Sarvatt> This option sets a default which can be overridden by the module parameter "removable=0" or "removable=1".
[16:31] <Sarvatt> can test that without rebuilding the kernel now
[16:36] <Sarvatt> unsafe resume depends on MMC being built in and not a module unfortunately
[16:37] <Sarvatt> ah nevermind CONFIG_MMC=y is what it needs and thats already there
[16:38] <Sarvatt> so booting with mmc.removable=1 should work, lets see
[16:42] <smb> Sarvatt, I am not sure were you exactly get that option from. The code looks to me like completely changing functions when UNSAFE_RESUME gets set
[16:46] <apw> jjohansen, hiya, i've been playing with rebasing the -ec2 kernel, as there are lots of interactions i have created ... there were two conflicts in the early patches is just correcting those the righ way forward
[16:46] <apw> jjohansen, will have some images from those for potential testing shortly
[16:46] <jjohansen> apw: okay
[16:46] <apw> am i correct to just fix conflicts or is there a magic way
[16:47] <jjohansen> apw: just fix them
[16:47] <apw> cool
[16:47] <jjohansen> and pray it doesn't break
[16:47] <jjohansen> :)
[16:48] <jjohansen> apw: I am running slightly behind (sleep caught up with me) will finish pam_apparmor today
[16:48] <bjf> ##
[16:48] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 10 minutes
[16:48] <bjf> ##
[16:49] <apw> jjohansen, heh yeah thanks ...
[16:58] <bjf> ##
[16:58] <bjf> ## Meeting starting now
[16:58] <bjf> ##
[17:11] <apw> jjohansen, those new lucid ec2 kernels are here: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/ec2-lucid/
[17:12] <jjohansen> apw: thanks
[17:15] <apw> we don't get much in the way of interactivity in our meeting ... hrm
[17:15] <smb> apw, At least we get it done quick
[17:15] <cnd> apw, fyi I'm working on a patch against the alsa driver to prevent a warning message from polluting the boot splash screen (it's level is KERN_ERR, which upstream has acknowledged is too high)
[17:15] <cnd> oops, against acpi
[17:16] <cnd> not alsa
[17:16] <apw> cnd sounds ok, that would be a minor change, and a bug fix so i am sure we can get that past the ack process after freeze if its not ready in time
[17:16] <apw> smb, ^^
[17:16] <smb> cnd, That is a bug fix
[17:16] <smb> yeah
[17:16] <apw> cnd, but bringing it up is the right thing
[17:43] <Sarvatt> smb: i pasted that from the kernel config option, but its in drivers/mmc/core.c
[17:47] <smb> Sarvatt, Seems to be upstream but not Lucid. If I am not looking at the wrong version
[17:47] <Sarvatt> smb: booting with mmc.removable=0 (aka enabling unsafe resume) changed it so the screen goes black but the backlight is still on like you were saying you get
[17:48] <Sarvatt> well thats odd, i did it with the lucid kernel and it changed what happens when i suspend
[17:53] <smb> Sarvatt, That option was added in 2.6.33 and I do not remember it being in stable. Basically you know have the same behavior as I do without anything specially set.
[17:53] <smb> But the option should have no effect other than being ignored
[18:02] <tgardner> apw, if I was going to be able to enable 2 monitors, then one would expect they'd both be detected in 'Monitor Preferences", right?
[18:03] <apw> i would expect so, but i would also  run xrandr to see what happens when you do, and also to see what it says you have
[18:08] <tgardner> apw, hmm, it sorta thinks I _might_ have 2 displays. I think I'm gonna install to an external HD first and do some experimenting lest I totally wreck my dev box.
[18:09] <apw> tgardner, very sensible
[18:12] <Sarvatt> smb: without mmc.removable=0 and a SD mounted suspend freezes with the screen contents still on the screen, with the option I get a vt switch and the backlight is still on and the screen is blank. I just reproduced it 4 times with each method even though mmc.removable=0 doesn't do anything on 2.6.32-15. very confusing
[18:14] <Sarvatt> i still have the kernel where all the mmc stuff was built in though and I can just boot that with mmc.removable=1 to test if disabling unsafe resume with the modules built in works on .33 at least
[18:16] <smb> Sarvatt, That is indeed beyond my understanding. Yes, in .33 it should (in theory work that way)
[18:18] <Sarvatt> 2.6.33-rc8 + mmc.removable=1 (aka disabled unsafe resume config option) + mmc/sdhc modules built in works
[18:33] <manjo> cnd, apw sorry I had to drop off I had an emergency
[18:34] <cnd> manjo: how far did you get with the firmware stuff?
[18:34] <manjo> cnd, I will get together with you in 2 hrs or so and sort this firmaware stuff out
[18:34] <cnd> manjo: ok
[18:34] <manjo> cnd, I still need to be away for a little bit.
[18:34] <cnd> manjo: if you have pressing, more important issues I can do the firmware work for you
[18:35] <manjo> cnd, you mean I just give you the fw files and you magically make them appear in /lib/firmaware/RTL8192SE/ ?
[18:35] <cnd> manjo: I mean I take the bug and work it and get it uploaded for you
[18:36] <manjo> cnd can I skype you quickly ?
[18:36] <cnd> sure, one sec
[18:36] <cnd> need to get headset
[18:37] <cnd> manjo: ready
[18:37] <manjo> I don't think I have you on my list
[18:38] <manjo> cnd, what skype id ?
[18:38] <cnd> manjo: corp186
[18:38] <cnd> I'm not keen on providing my details in the skype directory :)
[18:51] <cnd> anyone familiar with hotplug?
[18:51] <cnd> I've read the README in Documentation, it says the kernel somehow calls "hotplug" in userspace to do stuff, and there's a sample hotplug script
[18:52] <cnd> but I don't know of any hotplug user space script or executable
[18:52] <smb> cnd, That sounds like old cruft, when there was a callout to a hotplug script
[18:52] <cnd> smb, do you know how it's done now?
[18:53] <cnd> is it all in-kernel through vfs?
[18:53] <smb> cnd, But that has been all replaced by netlink(?) messages. And udev reads those messages
[18:53] <cnd> hmmm
[18:56] <cnd> smb, looks like udev now handles hotplug events, but the mechanism is still the same
[18:56] <cnd> it's just that the hotplug script is now part of udev
[18:56] <cnd> I've found it in /lib/udev/firmware.sh
[18:59] <smb> cnd, The method is uevent, not netlink. Too late here. But its a bit more than that.
[18:59] <cnd> smb, I'm most interested in the firmware loading part, not the event propagation part, so I think I've found what I need
[19:00] <cnd> thanks
[19:00] <smb> cnd, ok.
[19:20] <Sarvatt> hmm wasn't this upstream in the 2.6.29 timeframe? UBUNTU: Disable 4MB page tables for Atom, work around errata AAE44 - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commit;h=97684193e8c6fea095adcc4928f389b090559fc6
[19:21] <Sarvatt> aka shouldnt be needed to be backported to karmic-lucid
[19:23] <jjohansen> apw: your EC2 kernels are as good as the last set (ie. doesn't fix outstanding bug but doesn't introduce any new ones that I can see)
[19:24] <Sarvatt> yeah the fix is already there at line 535 - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=blob;f=arch/x86/mm/pageattr.c;h=dd38bfbefd1fa1972f47403fa6b35e20663e3590;hb=97684193e8c6fea095adcc4928f389b090559fc6
[19:26] <Sarvatt> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commit;h=211b3d03c7400f48a781977a50104c9d12f4e229
[19:30] <Sarvatt> I put a note on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/523112 about how its already in the kernel for lucid apw
[19:30] <ubot3> Malone bug 523112 in linux "Intel Atom CPU can oops because of bug listed in Intel errata AAH41 and AAE44" [Medium,Fix committed]
[19:36] <cnd> is there anything that can be done about an rfkill hard blocked device?
[19:37] <cnd> the external switch is set to on, so I'm guessing it's something that's either in the bios or set in some windows driver?
[20:45] <cnd> bdmurray: I'm removing your patch tag on bug 530348 because the patch is diagnostic in nature, not a "fix"
[20:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 530348 in linux-firmware "e100: eth0: e100_request_firmware: Failed to load firmware "e100/d101m_ucode.bin" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530348
[20:46] <bdmurray> cnd: then maybe the attachment shouldn't be flagged as a patch?
[20:47] <cnd> bdmurray: it's still technically a patch
[20:47] <bdmurray> but not a patch that fixes the bug which is what the flag should be used for
[20:47] <ogasawara> bdmurray, cnd: yah, I'd vote to not flag the attachment as a patch
[20:47] <cnd> bdmurray: ok, bugzilla land is different
[20:48] <cnd> you flag things that are patches in bugzilla land so that the attachment viewer handles them correctly
[20:48] <cnd> maybe the flag should be called patch-fix?
[22:07] <manjo> cnd, I added the firmware to the linux-firware-nonfree package, and it build and works fine, how do I modifiy the changelog ?
[22:07] <manjo> since this is not a git package
[22:07] <manjo> or git tree
[22:07] <cnd> manjo: dch -i starts a new changelog template and opens it in your $EDITOR
[22:08] <manjo> duh! ok
[22:09] <manjo> thought there was some other magic to it
[22:17] <cnd> manjo: nope, pretty simle
[22:17] <cnd> the magic comes when you're using a git tree
[22:17] <manjo> cnd, after I do that just tar up the direcotry and upload to zinc ?
[22:17] <cnd> manjo: so you've been building by running debuild right?
[22:17] <manjo> yes
[22:18] <akgraner> bjf, ping
[22:18] <cnd> so, first delete everything debuild created in .. (this will make it easier to figure out what's created in the next step)
[22:18] <cnd> manjo: then run debuild -S
[22:18] <cnd> that should create a source.changes file, .dsc file, and tarball file
[22:18] <manjo> ok
[22:18] <manjo> it did
[22:19] <bjf> akgraner, yo!
[22:19] <cnd> then upload it somewhere, like I did at kernel.ubuntu.com/~cndougla/linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:20] <cnd> and then yell at rtg :)
[22:20] <manjo> cnd, why did mine get renamed to linux-firmware-nonfree-1.6ubuntu1 ?
[22:20] <cnd> manjo: ahhh, dch -i be default appends a new ubuntu release version (maybe there's a better option than -i?)
[22:21] <cnd> so in your changelog you should change that to -1.7
[22:21] <cnd> manjo: looks like dch -v 1.7 would have been the best route
[22:21] <manjo> ok I will redo
[22:22] <cnd> manjo: you don't really need to undo what you did though
[22:22] <cnd> just modify the changelog
[22:29] <manjo> cnd, thanks a ton
[22:29] <manjo> its done
[22:30] <cnd> manjo: np, you got it uploaded some where?
[22:30] <manjo> cnd, sorry I had to step out a few times during the day... so get interrupted getting this done
[22:30] <cnd> manjo: that's fine, I hope the therapy helped with whatever issues you had
[22:31] <manjo> yep its on my people page ... http://people.canonical.com/~manjo/lp530275-lucid/firmware-nonfree/
[22:31] <cnd> manjo: btw, you don't need the .build file
[22:31] <cnd> that's just a log of the build process
[22:31] <manjo> yeah I did an scp * so that got in as well
[22:31] <cnd> which for a source package build is even less useful :)
[22:32] <cnd> manjo: what did rtg say about the format of directories in the package?
[22:33] <manjo> cnd, I did not talk to him yet... I am shipping the firmware to lib/firmware and that is where the driver is picking it up from
[22:33] <manjo> cnd, but looks like its really a simple change to the rules script to do it
[22:33] <manjo> right
[22:33] <cnd> ok
[22:34] <manjo> cnd, too late in the cycle to mess with it now
[22:35] <cnd> heh


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