[15:36] <ev> michaelforrest: what is the DX team doing around the panel for Maverick, that we're blocked on?
[15:37] <michaelforrest> ev: I need to write an email and find out. But I am blocked on doing that by a vague sense of futility.
[15:37] <ev> hahaha
[15:38] <ev> damn, I wanted to continue that conversation
[16:24] <TREllis> hi all, I'm trying to write a short ubiquity/oem-config plugin to hide the user creation page, should it be as simple as http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444102/ ? or am I missing something?
[16:29] <superm1> i'd think hiding the page would lead to some undefined behavior since no user would be created?
[16:29] <superm1> i'd think you'd be better to preseed the questions from that page
[16:30] <ogra> superm1, would that hide it ?
[16:31] <superm1> if you're running in automatic mode it wouldn't show it if all the questions were answered
[16:31] <ogra> ah, cool
[16:37] <TREllis> hmm, I don't really need the user to be created for this custom build
[16:37] <ogra> you mean you want on user at all ?
[16:38] <TREllis> correct, as this is running after install I don't need it... I have hooks into ldap
[16:38] <TREllis> but when a machine is shipped to a user, I need them to be able to select lang etc, which I why I thought oem-config would be god
[16:38] <TREllis> good*
[16:39] <ogra> i'm not sure it will properly finish but you could just try to delete the plugin
[16:40] <TREllis> ah ok, I was just trying to hide the page by following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Plugins
[16:44] <superm1> TREllis, well you just need two bits actually in your plugin to hide other plugins
[16:44] <superm1> NAME = 'test'
[16:44] <superm1> HIDDEN = 'usersetup'
[16:44] <superm1> everything else is unnecessary
[16:45] <superm1> I think everything for usersetup has been pulled into that plugin, so hopefully the install should be able to finish without it there
[16:46] <TREllis> right
[16:46] <TREllis> I'll give that a whirl
[16:46] <TREllis> thanks
[18:09] <ev> cjwatson: do you have any time tomorrow to jump into 1-on-1 and help me talk through this debconf passthrough stuff some more?  I'm inclined to give the separate databases idea a go as it would seemingly let us start running components while formatting, but from listening to the inadvertent recording of our hallway chat at UDS, I take it you think that, well, "here be dragons".
[18:09] <ev> if you're busy tomorrow, perhaps when I get back from holiday?
[18:10] <ev> dragons> with that particular approach, that is
[21:07] <cwj> hello. I am having problems with preseeding d-i with a custom apt source. here's the relevant lines from my preseeding file: http://gist.github.com/424393
[21:07] <cwj> when i include "deb" as the first part of the apt-setup/local0/repository string, i get a malformed sources.list
[21:08] <cwj> malformed in that i have "deb deb" before the url
[21:08] <cwj> if i omit "deb" from the string, the apt source is not added to my sources.list at all
[21:11] <cwj> if anyone can advise me i'd appreciate it
[22:46] <cwj> fyi, this is on hardy. on lucid my source isn't added, whether i have "deb" in the string or not
[23:15] <cjwatson> ev: sure, as long as it doesn't collide with the release meeting
[23:17] <cjwatson> cwj: as of intrepid, it's supposed to strip any leading "deb " - before that, you had to leave out the leading "deb " or it wouldn't work
[23:18] <cjwatson> cwj: odd that it isn't added at all.  can you post your installer syslog?
[23:18] <cjwatson> (I won't look at it right now though, I'm just back from the pub and about to go to bed)
[23:19] <cwj> cjwatson: ok, you're looking for /var/log/installer/syslog ?
[23:19] <cjwatson> yeah
[23:22] <cwj> cjwatson: ok, here's a gist https://gist.github.com/247bb0890b0839e3cd94
[23:23] <cwj> im also trying to figure out which preseed answers i need to add for auto-accepting the partman prompt which confirms writing changes to disk, but the apt-setup stuff is higher priority for me
[23:27] <cjwatson> Jun 3 21:41:57 main-menu[390]: (process:1937): wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden file type or location
[23:27] <cjwatson> I'm guessing that's the problem
[23:27] <cjwatson> fix the repository you're trying to get things from and it should work
[23:29] <cjwatson> you have 'd-i partman/confirm boolean false' - if you want to auto-accept that, you want 'd-i partman/confirm boolean true' instead.  For lucid (and this is harmless for hardy), you might also want 'd-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true' to deal with the case of confirming partitioning when no existing stuff is going to be overwritten
[23:30] <cjwatson> also you have 'd-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean' which should be 'd-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true'
[23:30] <cjwatson> really off to bed now
[23:31] <cwj> ok, thanks for the advice
[23:31] <cwj> pleasant dreams to you :)
[23:49] <cwj> not sure what to check with that 403 error, the source i am trying to preseed in my install works when i add it to sources.list by hand after installation


[00:55] <tyranade> hey guys im running ubuntu budgie 19.10 with a dual display setup and a lot of applications open up on my right hand display which is not set as deault my left hand one is
[00:55] <tyranade> some apps like spotify remember where they where closed but a lot of other apps open on the wrong monitor
[01:05] <bashfulrobot> tyranade: if I remember correctly, remembering positions is not currently supported in the budgie desktop. I've seen references to people using `devilspie2` to script up and remember window positions.
[01:06] <bashfulrobot> For example here is a link to a thread where one of the lead developers on the budgie desktop itself is using this tool. https://www.reddit.com/r/SolusProject/comments/9b73u6/saving_restoring_a_session_in_solus/ (Joshua)
[01:07] <bashfulrobot> fossfreedom: is my assumption correct?


[00:23] <djbclark> FYI problem was with crap tunneling via openvpn in an inopportune path, not bzr :-)
[00:25] <Peng> scorp007: P'raps with "bzr reconfigure" (but back up first).
[00:29] <scorp007> ok
[01:09] <Jordan_U> How do I continue a merge after resolving all conflicts?
[01:31] <maxb> It's not clear what you mean by "continue"
[01:32] <Jordan_U> maxb: Nvm, what I wanted was bzr commit ( and what I really wanted was bzr rebase :)
[02:56] <lifeless> james_w: around?
[02:56] <james_w> hi
[02:56] <lifeless> bzr builddeb question
[02:56] <lifeless> I'm debianising something
[02:56] <lifeless> whats the right way to get the upstream tarball recorded
[02:56] <lifeless> specifically, as merge-upstream writes to debian/changelog
[02:57] <lifeless> what version should I have in debian changelog, if the upstream release is N
[02:57] <james_w> yeah, that's currently broken
[02:57] <lifeless> there are currently no commits on the debian branch
[02:57] <lifeless> ok, so given its broken, do you have a recommended workaround?
[02:57] <james_w> you can trick it by setting an upstream- tag and then putting that version as the top debian/changelog
[02:57] <lifeless> [this is why I think an import command that can do a merge would be clearer than a merge command which can do an import]
[03:00] <scorp007> does bzr compress the stream as you check it out?
[03:03] <scorp007> and does bzr show no progress information *at all* when you branch by default?
[03:10] <cody-somerville> scorp007, yes
[03:10] <scorp007> damn. If I'd known I'da used -v.
[03:11] <lifeless> huh, it shows progress by default
[03:11] <scorp007> if I kill it now I'm gonna have to start all over again.
[03:11] <scorp007> well, it don't show me anything.
[03:11] <scorp007> taking over an hour and still going...
[03:17] <scorp007> how do I merge in a patch from lp?
[03:22] <lifeless> james_w: this is annoying too :(
[03:22] <lifeless> :!bzr merge-upstream --version=0.1 ../testscenarios-0.1.tar.gz ../trunk/
[03:22] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: There are uncommitted changes in the working tree. You must commit before using this command.
[03:23] <lifeless> james_w: pretty sure I filed bugs covering this.
[03:23] <lifeless> scorp007: bzr merge BRANCH; bzr commit - I suggest you read the docs though, as it sounds like you're a new user.
[03:24] <james_w> lifeless: why is that annoying?
[03:24] <lifeless> james_w: because I'm trying to debianise this
[03:24] <james_w> bzr merge does it
[03:24] <lifeless> james_w: bzr merge has --force
[03:31] <scorp007> lifeless, I'm not trying to merge a branch though
[03:31] <scorp007> just a patch: http://lists.mysql.com/commits/93844
[03:32] <scorp007> erm, I think I got it actually
[03:39] <lifeless> james_w: bug 498402
[03:40] <lifeless> james_w: If you can suggest a workaround that would be great.
[03:44] <james_w> debuild -S -i -I
[03:44] <scorp007> does launchpad support the bzr:// proto?
[03:44] <james_w> no, that won't work
[03:45] <scorp007> what's the fastest one I can use?
[03:46] <scorp007> arg. I keep getting bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir when I try to bzr pull from lp.
[03:46] <scorp007> http does not support mkdir()
[03:46] <lifeless> scorp007: you did 'bzr checkout'
[03:46] <lifeless> to update a checkout, use 'bzr update'
[03:47] <lifeless> if you want an independent branch
[03:47] <scorp007> oh
[03:47] <lifeless> you can run 'bzr unbind'
[03:47] <lifeless> james_w: do you mean 'use import-dsc' ?
[03:48] <scorp007> I'm already at the head. I'm trying to undo a local edit so I can merge a branch, but I can't even do a bzr revert.
[03:48] <scorp007> update just tells me I'm up to date.
[03:48] <scorp007> I tried deleting the file I edited, but update won't get it again
[03:49] <james_w> lifeless: yeah, but that won't put your upstream branch as the base
[03:49] <lifeless> james_w: I'm fiddling with that direction already, however its broken in treeless repos
[03:49] <lifeless> I've filed a bug
[03:50] <james_w> I saw
[03:50] <james_w> I merged your branch to fix it
[03:52] <lifeless> james_w: I think that was merge-upstream was broken
[03:52] <lifeless> this is new
[03:52] <lifeless> as I'm already running my branch, Ithink :)
[03:53]  * james_w -> leaving
[03:53] <lifeless> ciao
[03:53] <james_w> please file bugs for anything still broken
[03:53] <lifeless> oh, I will :)
[03:54] <scorp007> does bzr revert not work with lightweight checkouts?
[03:57] <lifeless> it works
[03:57] <lifeless> you might like to provide more detail with these questions
[03:57] <lifeless> 'I experience XXX, is that expected'
[03:58] <scorp007> I sort of alluded to it earlier. Same problem with locks.
[03:58] <scorp007> D:\dev\mysql-5.1>bzr revert
[03:58] <scorp007> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.1/
[03:58] <scorp007> .bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[04:00] <lifeless> that appears to be a bug
[04:00] <scorp007> awesome.
[04:00] <lifeless> note that using lightweight checkouts over the internet will be very very slow: don't do it.
[04:00] <scorp007> that makes me even happier.
[04:00] <scorp007> what do you suggest?
[04:00] <scorp007> heavy checkouts?
[04:00] <lifeless> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.1/
[04:00] <lifeless> or follow the mysql docs they wrote up
[04:01] <scorp007> I did.
[04:01] <lifeless> there are several howtos
[04:01] <scorp007> as we speak, I'm running >bzr branch lp:mysql-server
[04:01] <lifeless> I'm pretty sure none of them suggest lightweight checkouts over the net
[04:01] <scorp007> it's been going for 2 hours.
[04:01] <scorp007> and the bloody thing won't finish.
[04:01] <scorp007> with no feedback, either.
[04:01] <lifeless> had you run launchpad-login ?
[04:01] <lifeless> scorp007: is it using network or cpu ?
[04:01] <scorp007> no, but is that necessary, just to view it?
[04:02] <scorp007> yes, it's downloaded 900mb of stuff.
[04:02] <scorp007> and occasionally uses cpu.
[04:02] <lifeless> scorp007: launchpad-login enables bzr+ssh which is a lot faster than http doing VFS calls
[04:02] <lifeless> for most projects it doesn't matter
[04:02] <lifeless> but mysql-server is very large, and it makes a great deal of difference there
[04:03] <scorp007> great... I wish they told me.
[04:03] <scorp007> they just say "use bzr branch lp:foo"
[04:03] <scorp007> which seems to default to http
[04:03] <lifeless> :<
[04:03] <lifeless> there is a discussion at the moment about making the default better
[04:03] <lifeless> its desired
[04:04] <scorp007> I'm sure. But this has killed over 2 hours of my time and I don't know whether there is a benefit of killing it and starting over.
[04:04] <scorp007> I already have a lw-checkout copy though -- perhaps I can convert it to a branch?
[04:05] <scorp007> (it's times like these I wish they used git... or even CVS for goodness sake.)
[04:06] <scorp007> with those old things like cvs or svn, you can at least abort the process and continue on, just by running an update.
[04:06] <scorp007> if I cancel this branch operation, it's gonna start from scratch.
[04:10] <scorp007> do you know if it's possible to put my lw copy to use?
[04:10] <scorp007> i.e. convert it to a "real" branch or something?
[04:20] <lifeless> scorp007: you can convert it but it has to download the same amount of history
[04:20] <lifeless> scorp007: I would stop the branch, do launchpad-login, and branch again.
[04:21] <scorp007> so you think I need a launchpad account in order to get access to the code in a timely fashion?
[04:21] <lifeless> scorp007: as for using git, bzr and git branch at the same speed when using the smart server these days
[04:22] <scorp007> right, but what will a lp-account help me with here?
[04:23] <lifeless> scorp007: as I said above it lets you use bzr+ssh
[04:23] <scorp007> oh
[04:23] <scorp007> so the command would then be bzr branch bzr+ssh://lp:mysql-server ?
[04:23] <lifeless> no, still lp:
[04:23] <scorp007> oh
[04:23] <scorp007> how will I know what it's using?
[04:23] <lifeless> but if you've logged into launchpad it selects bzr+ssh under the hood
[04:24] <scorp007> oh
[04:24] <scorp007> and are you sure it's not using it now/
[04:24] <scorp007> ?
[04:24] <lifeless> it will ask for your ssh passphrase ? :P
[04:24] <lifeless> scorp007: have you done bzr launchpad-login before?
[04:24] <scorp007> no
[04:24] <lifeless> then yes, I'm sure
[04:24] <scorp007> so it never uses ssh anonymously?
[04:25] <scorp007> what about regular bzr:// without ssh?
[04:25] <lifeless> launchpad doesn't operate a naked bzr:// protocol server.
[04:25] <scorp007> oh.
[04:25] <scorp007> why's that?
[04:25] <lifeless> no reason
[04:28] <scorp007> hmm, I've reg'd an account, but how do I know what my username is?
[04:28] <scorp007> It only asked for a display name and email.
[04:29] <lifeless> its the bit after the ~ on your home page
[04:29] <scorp007> oh
[04:39] <scorp007> why don't I get any progress information with branch?
[04:39] <scorp007> even with -v@
[04:39] <lifeless> what do you get
[04:39] <scorp007> only:
[04:39] <scorp007> D:\dev\bzr>bzr branch -v lp:mysql-server
[04:39] <scorp007> Connected (version 2.0, client Twisted)
[04:39] <scorp007> Authentication (publickey) successful!
[04:39] <scorp007> Secsh channel 1 opened.
[04:40] <scorp007> that's it.
[04:40] <lifeless> might be a windows thing
[04:40] <lifeless> we normally show a progress bar
[04:40] <scorp007> hmm.
[04:44] <scorp007> do you know any small projects I can check out just to see if the bloody thing works?
[04:45] <lifeless> lp:testtools
[04:45] <scorp007> thanks
[04:46] <scorp007> oh so that works
[04:46] <scorp007> but still no progress information... horrible.
[04:46] <scorp007> especially for large projects.
[04:46] <scorp007> s/oh/ok/
[04:47] <lifeless> file a bug, assuming you're using some half-recent release
[04:47] <scorp007> Bazaar (bzr) 2.0.3
[04:47] <lifeless> yeah
[04:47] <lifeless> file a bug
[04:47] <scorp007> re: what?
[04:47] <lifeless> not getting a progress bar
[04:47] <scorp007> oh
[04:48] <lifeless> ciao
[04:48] <scorp007> thanks, cuya
[05:34] <jkakar> lifeless: commandant is packaged in my jkakar/commandant PPA.  The latest trunk version isn't package though, because it has some changes that rely on bzr 2.1 (I think).  I'll probably back out those changes so I can make another release sooner than later.
[05:56] <lifeless> jkakar: I mean in debian :)
[05:56] <lifeless> jkakar: PPAs are not at all as convenient or discoverable as distros proper
[06:56] <wgrant> Why does bazaar-vcs.org now redirect to bazaar.canonical.com?
[06:56] <wgrant> You guys needed to become *less* associated with Canonical, not more!
[06:56] <lifeless> wgrant: see the long thread about that on the list
[06:56]  * wgrant headdesks.
[06:56] <lifeless> wgrant: I share your concerns.
[06:57] <wgrant> WTF
[06:57]  * wgrant reads.
[06:57] <lifeless> however, close association with canonical works both ways - for some folk its a 'way cool' response, for others its a negative
[06:57]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to find thread
[06:58] <wgrant> One of the major objections to bzr seems to be that it's owned by Canonical and only Canonical and only Canonical has anything to do with it.
[06:58] <lifeless> While I am concerned about the change, the association with Canonical itself is something I'm very pro, and I don't think its something we should ever feel ashamed of.
[06:59] <wgrant> Sure.
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not. but using a .canonical domain reinfoces the 'just a product' meme
[06:59] <wgrant> But this new domain name shows that Canonical owns it, and you feel it is a Canonical roduct.
[06:59] <wgrant> Exactly.
[06:59] <wgrant> Not a community project.
[07:00] <lifeless> so
[07:00] <lifeless> grab my on jan 4th :P
[07:00] <lifeless> this is too close to being work :>
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lifeless: hehe.
[07:01] <lifeless> there are however many positives to being a product, not just a project :). As I've said I have concerns myself. Bring it up in the thread.
[07:02] <wgrant> I cannot yet find this thread.
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the logs: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/065173.html
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> wgrant: ^^
[07:02] <Peng> I've heard about these people that like the Canonical association, but I've never seen one.
[07:02] <wgrant> Peng: I presume MySQL does, but that's about all I can think of...
[07:02] <wgrant> Kamping_Kaiser: Ah, thanks.
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. looks to be a dozen or so posts from the list history ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/thread.html )
[07:05] <wgrant> Ah good, so everyone else disagrees too.
[07:06] <wgrant> So, bzr is even more fucked than before.
[07:08] <lifeless> don't whine here. Post to the thread.
[07:08] <lifeless> If you want to have an impact, that is.
[10:27] <ChrisMorgan> I'm wanting to install on a Gentoo machine, but http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/DistroDownloads#Gentoo just contains the code-formatted text "dev-util/bzr" - what does this mean?  I'm lost!
[10:29] <ChrisMorgan> Should I just download the tgz and work from that?  Any easy_install script?
[10:32] <luks> ChrisMorgan: dev-util/bzr is the Gentoo package name for Bazaar
[10:32] <ChrisMorgan> Oh... how does that get installed?
[10:32] <luks> I don't know, I don't use Gentoo, you do :)
[10:33] <ChrisMorgan> It's not my machine, it's an OSUOSL machine, just wanting to work out exactly how to do it so I can ask them
[10:33] <ChrisMorgan> It took me a while even to work out how to work out what OS it was...
[10:34] <luks> `emerge bzr` doesn't work?
[10:34] <ChrisMorgan> I'm not going to run it to see if it does
[10:35] <luks> well, I can tell you how to install bzr from sources
[10:35] <ChrisMorgan> I'm just wanting to know so I can ask them to do it
[10:35] <luks> but surely if y ou are going to maintain a Gentoo machine, you should know how to install Gentoo packages
[10:35] <ChrisMorgan> I'm not maintaining it.
[10:36] <luks> then anybody who maintains it will know how to install a standard package
[10:36] <luks> to just tell them to install the package mentioned on the wiki page
[10:36] <ChrisMorgan> OK, that's fine then :-)
[10:36] <ChrisMorgan> It's an OSUOSL machine hosting inkscape.org for Inkscape, and we want to switch from SVN to Bazaar for the website repository (Inkscape source has just moved to LP, so we naturally want the website to too)
[10:37] <luks> is this for accessing the repository via bzr+ssh?
[10:38] <ChrisMorgan> Possibly
[10:38] <luks> (which is confusing if you said you are using LP)
[10:38] <ChrisMorgan> Why is it confusing?
[10:38] <luks> why do you need bzr on the inkscape.org server?
[10:38] <ChrisMorgan> The website is updated via SVN currently
[10:38] <luks> oh!
[10:38] <luks> so you want to check out the website source code there
[10:38] <ChrisMorgan> (Sure, we have to trigger svn up manually, but it's in an SVN repo)
[10:38] <luks> yep
[10:38] <ChrisMorgan> Yep
[10:39] <ChrisMorgan> But I'm planning on having the new Inkscape website also modifiable from the web interface, and thus have it able to do committing and pushing as well as pulling and updating.
[10:40] <luks> yeah
[10:40] <ChrisMorgan> It's a Django thing we're (I'm) working on for it, Python, so that might make it easier, import rather than exec... I'll find out when I handle it
[10:40] <luks> just installing the bzr package will be enough
[10:40] <ChrisMorgan> So that's why it may need bzr+ssh
[10:40] <luks> their admins should know how to do that
[10:40] <ChrisMorgan> OK, thanks
[10:42] <ChrisMorgan> Is there a nice friendly API for that sort of thing?  something like import bzr, bzr.pull_update()?  :D
[10:44] <luks> there is an API, but it's more low-level
[10:44] <luks> you can call the command which handles "bzr pull"
[10:44] <ChrisMorgan> OK.  I'll take a look at it when I get to that stage.
[10:44] <luks> but then you have no advantage over actually calling "bzr pull"
[10:44] <ChrisMorgan> Except saving memory
[10:44] <ChrisMorgan> No need for a second Python interpreter to be loaded into memory
[10:45] <luks> true
[10:45] <ChrisMorgan> And if editing content through the website is done often, it's worth saving.  Faster as well, though for some things you'd want it asynchronous
[15:44] <nyu> hi
[15:44] <nyu> someone pushed his branch on top of server trunk and replaced the whole log with it
[15:44] <nyu> is there any way to fix that?
[15:45] <jelmer_> nyu: Hi
[15:45] <jelmer_> nyu: to prevent that from happening in the future you mean, or to get the old trunk back?
[15:45] <nyu> I don't think we have local branches without the new log.  "bzr pull" seems to have overwritten it
[15:45] <nyu> jelmer_: the latter
[15:45] <nyu> though the first would be useful too
[15:45] <jelmer_> nyu: if you run "bzr heads --dead" on the server it should list as one of the revisions your previous tip
[15:46] <jelmer_> nyu: you can then switch back to that revision by running "bzr pull -rrevid:<revision-id> ."
[15:48] <nyu> trying...
[15:52] <nyu> jelmer_: "bzr heads --dead" lists nothing
[15:53] <jelmer_> nyu: what about without --dead?
[15:53] <nyu> jelmer_: I think the revision is just not there.  it's not that he merged a branch we didn't want to merge, he replaced the whole thing with his local branch
[15:53] <jelmer_> nyu: even if he replaced the tip of the branch then the revision should still be there in the repository
[15:53] <nyu> so the log now lists merges from his local perspective ("merge from remote", etc)
[15:54] <nyu> ok, without --dead I get a commit id
[15:54] <nyu> *revision id
[15:56] <nyu> this rev id corresponds to a commit done after the mess
[15:57] <nyu> tried bzr heads --all, but this is all it lists
[15:59] <james_w> nyu: did they just push, or did they log in and rm -rf and then push?
[16:00] <jelmer_> nyu: Did they perhaps merge in the old tip before pushing ? In other words, does "bzr log -n0" list the old tip somewhere?
[16:00] <nyu> james_w: I think they just run "bzr push", which failed with "diverging branches" error, then run "bzr merge <remote url>" and "bzr push" again
[16:01] <nyu> seen this happen before.  but last time we had a recent local branch as backup
[16:01] <james_w> nyu: ah, in that case you can just find the old tip in the log of your local branch
[16:01] <nyu> james_w: my local branch is destroyed
[16:01] <james_w> then run "bzr push --overwrite -r <revno>"
[16:01] <nyu> I run "bzr pull"
[16:01] <james_w> then grab from the server again
[16:01] <james_w> it's ok
[16:01] <james_w> the revision is still there
[16:01] <nyu> that's the problem.  the server one was replaced
[16:02] <james_w> no it wasn't
[16:02] <james_w> "bzr log -n0" and you will find it in the history somewhere
[16:02] <nyu> I'm confused now
[16:02] <nyu> bzr log does list commits from before this happened, but they date back to october
[16:03] <james_w> what's the branch URL?
[16:03] <nyu> afterwards it's all "merge from server" commits
[16:03] <nyu> sftp://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/srv/bzr/gnewsense/metad/
[16:06] <james_w> "Resync with gnash packages from getgnash.org"
[16:07] <james_w> was that the old tip?
[16:07] <nyu> sounds like it could be, yes
[16:07] <nyu> it's fairly recent
[16:08] <james_w> bzr pull --overwrite<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:08] <james_w> on the server
[16:08] <james_w> then pull --overwrite locally
[16:08] <nyu> when you say on the server, do you mean on the server filesystem directly (e.g. sshfs mount) or with <server url> as argument?
[16:09] <james_w> then "bzr merge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>sftp://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/srv/bzr/gnewsense/metad/"
[16:09] <james_w> on the server
[16:09] <nyu> ok
[16:09] <james_w> or locally, followed by push --overwrite instead of pull
[16:13] <james_w> then put "[DEFAULT]\nappend_revisions_only = True" in .bzr/branch/branch.conf on the server to stop this happening again
[16:14] <nyu> pffiew
[16:14] <nyu> thanks a lot man
[16:14] <nyu> I got pretty scared, I thought I'd have to live with a fscked log
[16:15] <nyu> can this append_revisions_only setting be applied to the whole shared-repo?
[16:16] <james_w> it's per-branch
[16:17] <nyu> uhm a quick google shows some pages suggesting it should be made the default
[16:17] <nyu> IMHO it'd be a good idea.  it can be a terrible mess when this happens and people like me have no clue on how to resolve it
[16:18] <nyu> oh, I see your name there
[18:24] <ejat> can i push to 2 destionation with 1 branch?
[18:24] <Tak> yes
[18:25] <ejat> Tak: any url can i refer ?
[18:26] <ejat> u mean .. i can push to subversion n launchpad together ?
[18:27] <Tak> you'll have to do two pushes, but you can push to both places from the same branch
[18:29] <ejat> owh ok ..
[18:30] <ejat> i got it .. u mean .. i need to push manually from the same brach to destination branch right ?
[18:30] <Tak> yeah
[18:31] <ejat> ok thanks Tak
[21:16] <rocky> if i've been working with multiple branches on a project and then stepped away for a few months what's the easiest way to see which branches i already merged back to the main branch?
[21:59] <lifeless> rocky: there is a plugin, removable
[22:00] <lifeless> or you can just running missing
[22:04] <lvh> Hello :-)
[22:05] <lvh> Any IDEs that integrate well with Launchpad? I'm guessing no, but no harm in trying I guess :-)
[22:05] <lvh> (IE: the bug tracker, the bzr bit ...)
[22:05] <lvh> Normally I'm an emacs person but people around me keep bugging me to look at netbeans/eclipse so I decided to humor them
[22:22] <ebrahim> I need some speed benchmarks for Bazaar 2.0
[22:23] <ronny> lvh: that stuff is on my tod
[22:23] <ronny> *todo
[22:43] <lvh> ronny, I thought you were a vi person
[23:17] <ronny> lvh: pida stufff a on other things


[00:34] <frozenonline> hi everyone.
[00:37] <frozenonline> I've been checking out the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam website..
[00:37] <frozenonline> what are the requirements for starting a section for a new city?
[00:47] <frozenonline> hi?
[23:17] <frozenonline> Hi..
[23:17] <frozenonline> what's going on today?


[07:56] <crews_control> Hello I am new to Ubuntu and could really use some help.  Is there anyone out there that can help me?
[08:04] <geirha> In 6 minutes? probably not
[08:05] <duanedesign> hello geirha
[08:05] <duanedesign> always good to see you
[08:06] <duanedesign> wish people would stick around a little bit longer
[08:06] <duanedesign> might be worth ading to out ewiki pages to give people time to respond...probaably alreadt their
[08:11] <geirha> hi, duanedesign :)
[08:11] <geirha> My builtin auto-correct fails on your last line there
[08:13] <duanedesign> haha
[08:14] <duanedesign> i am learning some andoid develpment
[08:15] <duanedesign> geirha: something i have always wanted to do. I just wish it was not in JAVA
[08:15] <duanedesign> not my best ls=anguage.
[08:16] <duanedesign> something like C would be good
[08:16] <duanedesign> :)
[08:42] <geirha> Hm. Doesn't android have python too?
[14:25] <IODaddIO> morning....I have multiple computers at home.  most are ubuntu, but I have 2 windows and 2 macs.  Is there a way though ubuntu or ubuntu server to make something that works like what we have at work where I have single login to linux, mac, windows?  I think guy at work said something about active directory, but I thought that was only for windows?
[14:26] <holstein> IODaddIO: single login for what?
[14:26] <holstein> i mean, if you have the same user and password on all the machines, thats the same credentials per machine
[14:30] <IODaddIO> well, I have been assigning them a computer up to now; but that is getting sloppy since somethings just don't run on mac or linux.  I need to be able to control internet access for each user differently and if there is a way, I need to restrict using certain programs too (although internet is more important in home situations of course)
[14:30] <holstein> http://serverfault.com/questions/13419/what-are-some-good-open-source-alternatives-to-active-directory
[14:30] <holstein> i agree that samba mostly does what you are looking for, and at least used to be integrated in OSX
[14:31] <holstein> IODaddIO: if i wanted to "control" internet access, i would do that at the gateway in an OS agnostic way, if i had different OS's
[14:31] <holstein> restricting programs will be on a per machine basis
[14:32] <IODaddIO> holstein: k, differing levels of maturity is the problem.  We had our first google search for "boob" if you know what I mean ;)
[14:32] <holstein> i would try and get as clear a picture of what you want as you can.. and go from there
[14:33] <holstein> IODaddIO: sure.. and there are *easy* services such as openDNS's family shield
[14:33] <IODaddIO> it maybe easier to control on user
[14:33] <holstein> you put that on the router/gateway, and *all* machines have that
[14:33] <holstein> or, you can do it on a per machine basis via DNS
[14:33] <holstein> http://blog.opendns.com/2010/06/23/introducing-familyshield-parental-controls/
[14:35] <holstein> most user permissions scenarios in linux are going to be mostly like OSX
[14:35] <holstein> windows is getter "better" at this as well..
[14:58] <khoo> anyone there?
[14:58] <khoo> failed to install no-ip.com
[14:58] <khoo> package not found
[15:03] <holstein> khoo: ?
[15:04] <holstein> http://www.noip.com/downloads.php
[15:04] <holstein> http://www.noip.com/downloads.php?page=linux is the linux link.. you just download what they provide and follow instructions
[15:06] <holstein> khoo: also, it seems it is in the repos.. or was
[15:06] <holstein> http://www.noip.com/support/knowledgebase/installing-the-linux-dynamic-update-client-on-ubuntu/
[15:06] <holstein> !info noip2
[15:06] <holstein> !info noip
[15:07] <holstein> !info no-ip
[19:37] <rostam> Hi the pthread library in Ubuntu 12.04 is located at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux  for 64 bit and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu for 32 bit.   I am creating multi-threaded application, how could I write a generic linker command so it link to appropriate library? thx
[19:37] <holstein> rostam: i would try a more programming specific channel
[19:38] <rostam> thx
[22:19] <brunost> hi! can anybody help me figure out how i can get nautilus to generate thumbnails on images stored on a mounted network folder?
[22:19] <brunost> I'm using ubuntu gnome 13.04 btw
[22:21] <brunost> sorry, I mean on folders containing images, not the actual image
[22:22] <Unit193> If I were you, I think I'd try #ubuntu-gnome
[22:24] <brunost> I thought a general nautilus related question would fit in here too
[22:25] <Unit193> It would, but I've not used it for quite some times, you are free to wait for an answer though!
[22:28] <brunost> thanks! I think I figured it out though, doesn't seem like it does it by default but there are thumbnailer scripts for it


[15:08] <genii-around> 8pm EST, yes?
[16:24] <willwh> web:~$
[18:09] <BobJonkman> genii-around: Yup, 8:00pm  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-07-10
[18:09] <BobJonkman> That reminds me, there should be coffee somewhere...
[18:15] <genii-around> Heh
[19:04] <jlamothe> Does anyone have any idea what Ubuntu is planning to do about Mozilla pulling the plug on Thunderbird?
[19:08] <genii-around> I imagine go to Evolution, but that is purely a guess
[19:11] <macbook-dualboot> hello
[19:11]  * genii-around hands macbook-dualboot a coffee
[19:11] <macbook-dualboot> ty. i need it. :/
[19:12] <macbook-dualboot> anyone ever been sorta locked out of their ubuntu side of a dualboot?
[19:12] <macbook-dualboot> sorta, as in, i can see some files/folders, but the rest "i" don't have permission to view?
[19:45] <dscassel> Mozilla isn't exactly pulling the plug on Thunderbird.
[19:46] <dscassel> They're just going back to the sort of half-hearted support they've given it throughout it's lifetime.
[19:51] <dscassel> http://thecommandline.net/2012/07/07/mozilla-scaling-back-thunserbird-development-shouldnt-mean-not-innovating-in-messaging/
[23:07] <dscassel> Meeting in about an hour...
[23:09] <genii-around> Yup
[23:30] <jlamothe> I'll be here.
[23:54] <dscassel> Meeting in 5.
[23:57]  * BobJonkman wipes his feet on the doormat
[23:59] <genii-around> IIs this g20 anniversary? Went for a smoke before meeting, 20-30 people in black ninja outfits blowing plastic horns yelling "police brutality has to go" etc
[23:59]  * genii-around googles


[01:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Vanilla 4.0 release @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/vanilla-4-0-release
[01:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Lukas Märdian: A declarative approach to Linux networking with Netplan @ https://blog.slyon.de/2023/07/18/a-declarative-approach-to-linux-networking-with-netplan/
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[00:14] <drizzt_> azh try launch without suppressing messages and splash screens
[00:43] <CarlosZ> hola alguien me puede ayudar en montar una carpeta compartida (MOCOSOFT) ya intente con http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/6773 pero me da errores
[01:52] <Azh> anyone know why Im getting this error when I try to do a fresh install of xubuntu 10.04: (process:251): Glib-Warning getpwuid_r(): Failed due to unknown user id (0)
[06:48] <xubuntu958> hi people i am installing xubuntu now =D
[06:56] <stanman246> hi i want to install and run ifolder3
[06:56] <stanman246> but i get a gnome missing error
[06:56] <stanman246> don't know what to do now :(
[07:02] <remanifest> Is there any way I can hold back packages during dist-upgrade?
[07:14] <Flannel> !pinning
[07:15] <pteague> anybody using beryl on a dual-monitor?
[07:33] <remanifest> thanks Flannel, that's what I was looking for
[07:33] <remanifest> worked like a champ
[07:54] <stanman246> anyone using ifolder?
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> !info mondo
[10:13] <smallflame> Hello good sirs
[10:13] <smallflame> I have a small issue with my Xubuntu
[10:13] <smallflame> when I plug in a flash drive, it mounts ( I can see it when I check through Terminal)
[10:13] <smallflame> but there is no flash drive icon anywhere
[10:14] <smallflame> so if anybody can tell me how to either copy from flash drive using a command line or how to make an icon show somewhere
[10:14] <smallflame> that'd be great
[10:14] <smallflame> thanks
[10:16] <Sysi-> how do you check it's mounted?
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> if it has a mount point then cp -v /mount/point/file /where/you want/it
[10:16] <smallflame> I don't actually remembr how I did Sysi
[10:17] <smallflame> I did it last night and my girlfriend talked me through it
[10:17] <Sysi-> "mount" shows if it's mounted and where
[10:17] <MalkavianManiac> damnit Sysi- you beat me to "mount"
[10:17] <smallflame> and right now she's not online and of course my cle about Linux is equal to zero
[10:18] <Sysi-> then you can browse there with filemanager
[10:19] <Sysi-> oh it's YOU :P
[10:19] <_Techie_> yeah
[10:20] <_Techie_> its me
[10:21] <_Techie_> i need to shutdown and install a different secondary ethernet card, ill be back very soon
[10:30] <smallflame> okay
[10:30] <smallflame> how do I check what devices are connected to my USB ports?
[10:31] <Sysi-> lsusb
[10:31] <smallflame> it detects the flash drive
[10:32] <smallflame> but it doesn't mount it or anything
[10:32] <Sysi-> fresh xubuntu install?
[10:32] <smallflame> yes
[10:32] <Sysi-> install "hal"
[10:32] <smallflame> what is hal and how do I install it?
[10:33] <Sysi-> !info hal
[10:33] <Sysi-> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install hal ;for example
[10:36] <smallflame> how I stop all processes?
[10:36] <smallflame> I tried to get that first command, but it got stuck at 99%
[10:36] <smallflame> then I closed Terminal and reopened it
[10:37] <smallflame> and now it's giving me this:
[10:37] <smallflame> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:37] <smallflame> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:37] <smallflame> aaaand I tried again and it seems to be working
[10:37] <smallflame> and done
[10:38] <smallflame> now what?
[10:38] <Sysi-> reboot, usb should work as ment
[10:42] <microbalrog> back after reboot
[10:42] <microbalrog> Installed hal
[10:42] <microbalrog> no good
[10:42] <Sysi-> hum
[10:45] <_Techie_> !hal
[10:47] <microbalrog> So what you're telling me is, I have a USB and no way to get files from it to the hard drive?
[10:49] <Sysi-> !mount
[10:53] <microbalrog> I ddon't understand Sysi
[10:53] <microbalrog> how does the system "know" which device I am mounting?
[10:53] <MalkavianManiac> if you ask nicely im sure Sysi- wouldnt mind guiding you through the mounting process, hes usually a really nice guy
[10:56] <Sysi-> /dev/sdXX is the device
[10:56] <microbalrog> I did it
[10:56] <microbalrog> it works now
[10:56] <MalkavianManiac> gratz microbalrog
[10:57] <microbalrog> I'm probably going to tak to my fiancee about any further stuff I have
[11:48] <qotsa> I want to enable autologin in gdmsetup, when I press the Unlock button in gdmsetup, nothing happens.
[11:49] <qotsa> Everything is greyed out.
[11:50] <Sysi-> have you tried opening that window again from menu?
[11:55] <qotsa> it works from the menu, strange...
[12:00] <Sysi-> some issue with gksu
[12:01] <knome> Sysi-, gksudo
[12:02] <Sysi-> started from terminal both work
[12:06] <pteague> heh, apparently clicking the "clicking here" link in the installer for joining the irc chat stalls the installer
[12:06] <knome> pteague, no?! i've seen people join before from there, so it might be a something-specific bug :)
[12:08] <pteague> knome, i was just screwing around & noticed i was at 86% when i clicked it, was kind of annoyed at seeing a browser for irc... anyways i started googling for various things, got busy reading some articles, & wondered why i wasn't yet getting the pop up about rebooting...
[12:08] <pteague> installer was still at 86% <.<
[12:08] <knome> hm, weird
[12:09] <pteague> i'd understand if it was 10 minutes maybe, but it's been almost 2 hours ;)
[12:09] <knome> mind filing a bug?
[12:10] <knome> pteague, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[12:10] <knome> pteague, seems that is a bit old page, but there's maybe some information about what you could attach
[12:11] <pteague> knome, thanks... couldn't remember & all my data is in software raid void until i get mdadm installed
[12:26] <pteague> well great, stuck at 82% & i can't kill the process... guess i reboot & run ubiquity from the shell... maybe if i stop playing with stuff it won't die
[18:30] <slow-motion> hi
[18:40] <aosys> greetings. im installing xubuntu 10.04 on my older laptop right now and i am at step 4 where i have choosen to manually partition my disk because i want a dual boot with xp. the problem is that i have no idea what i am doing here and i do not want to destroy my xp partition (loose data and all). what should i do?
[18:44] <aosys> ok i will try #ubuntu since there is not much going on here
[18:45] <Besogon> aosys, I can help you if you need it. It's very comman problem anyway.
[18:50] <aosys> Besogom: ok thanks.
[18:51] <aosys> What do you think I should do to install Xubuntu with out destroying the C:\ partition that contains XP?
[18:52] <drizzt_> aosys, providing XP partition hold all your work, then yes
[18:53] <Besogon> ok. now before all you decide how many space you need for xubuntu and how many FREE disk space you have
[18:54] <aosys> I have about 30 GB free on the c:\ partition
[18:54] <drizzt_> sorry what is the easiest hex editor/viewer in ubuntu?
[18:54] <Besogon> If you have only one disk C:/ on your hard disk you should split it in 3 part. 1) resize C;/ and make 2 new partitions
[18:55] <aosys> besogon: what will the sizes of the 2 new partitions be? what will C:\ partition new size be?
[18:56] <Besogon> aosys, If I right undestand you you have disk C: and 30Gb free space over it
[18:56] <aosys> yes
[18:57] <Besogon> you need swap partition (ideally it should be equal the size of your RAM)
[18:58] <Sysi-> some recommendation is twice × ram
[18:58] <aosys> so do i still need to resize my C?
[18:58] <Besogon> but if yor ram more than 1Gb I think  there is no need make it more then 700Mb.
[18:58] <aosys> my ram is 512mb
[19:00] <Besogon> Sysi-, What for? All Ram records in swap. and swap disn't used in real work only it needs for hybernate mode
[19:00] <Besogon> let's you swap be 512Mb.
[19:00] <aosys> i am confused. where i would do the swap partion? at step 4 under manual?
[19:00] <Besogon> it's enaugh
[19:00] <Besogon> enough
[19:01] <aosys> besogon: will you be here later? like in an hour?
[19:02] <Besogon> I can't say it in clear way. but if all installers for ubuntu are the same then chose "master" mode for partitioning your hard disk
[19:02] <Besogon> yes.
[19:02] <aosys> ok. well the xubuntu installer actually is different than ubuntu
[19:02] <aosys> thanks for your help so far. i will be back soon.
[19:02] <cody-somerville> They are?
[19:02] <aosys> yeah
[19:03] <aosys> ubuntu has 3 options.
[19:03] <cody-somerville> Both use Ubiquity AFAIK
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I think it is in the translations here
[19:03] <aosys> at step 4, there are 3 options in ubuntu. only 2 in xubuntu.
[19:03] <aosys> be back soon.
[20:46] <rethus> Hi. my task-bar on the top of the desktop is away... how can i get it back?
[20:46] <rethus> xubuntu 10-04
[20:48] <Sysi-> !panels
[20:49] <rethus> Sysi-: great, works
[20:49] <rethus> would it start automaticly next time?
[20:51] <Sysi-> at least if you check "save session" tap on logout
[20:52] <rethus> ah, therefor it was not loaded this time.. cause the panel was crashed... and i thougt a restart bring it up again... but i never notice that this checkbox is on the logoutpanel. thanks for this advice
[22:38] <aosys> hey can anyone assist me with installing dual-boot Xbuntu 10.04?
[22:43] <aosys> my laptop has XP on its only partition which is C:\. when i load the Xubuntu 10.04 installer i can get to step 4 and then i am stumped. i do not want to choose the first option which is to install Xubuntu which it says will erase my entire C:\ partition.
[22:44] <aosys> the second option, manage partitions manually, is highly confusing. for each option it seems like there is a warning that my C:\ partition will get corrputted.
[22:46] <Sysi-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Partitions
[22:46] <aosys> Ultimately what I'd like to do is to have 2 30gb partitions. 1 for XP & 1 for Xubuntu. Any ideas on how to accomplish this with out damaging my XP partition, and or loosing data?
[22:46] <Sysi-> always when resizing partition is risk of data loss
[22:46] <Sysi-> expesially if partition is fragmented
[22:47] <aosys> I see, I suppose that is why they advise to defrag one's HD before
[22:47] <aosys> thanks, i shall read this page now and come back in a bit. by the way, have you gone through this process?
[22:49] <Sysi-> i haven't shrink windows partition but i have made dualboot by deleting partition and played "~much" with partitoning
[22:49] <Sysi-> you know backups are also always recommended
[22:53] <aosys> backups? backups of my HD?
[22:54] <Sysi-> backup of important data at least
[22:57] <aosys> i understand.
[23:02] <aosys> when you created your dual-boot, how big did you make your swap partition?
[23:04] <Sysi-> about same as my ram
[23:04] <aosys> and how much was your RAM?
[23:06] <Sysi-> 1gb
[23:10] <aosys> i see. so when you created your dual-boot did you create 2 partitions (1 for Ubuntu & 1 for Swap)? or did you create 3 partitions: (1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Swap& 1 for data)?
[23:11] <Sysi-> well, i don't use windows almost at all, but i made separate partition for /home
[23:12] <aosys> this page says its a good idea to make a 3rd for data but why? why not just have your data (/home) be together with Xubuntu?
[23:13] <charlie-tca> aosys: if /home (data) is separate and I want to remove xubuntu and install Ubuntu, I don't lose any data
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I don't have to re-format a separate /home partition to format the installation partition
[23:14] <charlie-tca> If /home is part of the /xubuntu partition, I lose everything when I re-format it
[23:15] <aosys> charlie-tca: i see.
[23:15] <charlie-tca> aosys: Apparently something failed on that DCC CHAT. When I hit approved, it refused the connection
[23:16] <charlie-tca> and again
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Just ask in here. It is okay
[23:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:33] <Kangarooo> what this means in synaptic showing xfce4 and xfce4-screenshooter plugin not installed? look top left screenshooter icon there it is http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot732.php
[23:35] <mr_pouit> because it's a transitional package
[23:35] <mr_pouit> the "real" package is xfce4-screenshooter
[23:36] <Kangarooo> ah ok. and xfce4 ? i have default x 10.04 from web dl on this comp 3weeks ago
[23:36] <Kangarooo> xfce4 shows also not installed
[23:36] <Kangarooo> in the same screenshot
[23:37] <mr_pouit> it's not a problem either
[23:37] <Kangarooo> ah ok


[00:05] <awen_> blueyed: it works ... the items on the right-click menu is translated in french
[00:08] <awen_> to be honest, i think it is french ... it is at least not english
[00:09] <blueyed> awen_: :D - it was german for me, so.. thanks for confirming.
[00:09] <awen_> cool :)
[00:11] <yuriy> Riddell: essentially because I don't know how to get a C string from an std::BasicString (I think that's what r was, or something like that). as awen_ said, if you know a cleaner way..
[00:12] <yuriy> s/r/r->prettyName()
[00:19] <Riddell> yuriy: can't say I do, I'll upload
[00:26] <etretyak> Riddell: User disk mounting in KDE4 works fine for me.. What should I do? Send you a patch? Or comment in LP on that bug and attach a diff?
[00:26] <Riddell> etretyak: latter is best, but poke me we need to move fast on it
[00:44] <etretyak> Riddell: see attachment in my comment for Bug #207380
[01:59] <yuriy> ScottK: i'm not going to get to looking into the possible wineconfig i18n bug today. and i still don't even know how to test it.  so you should go ahead with the other upload you were holding off on if you're still waiting
[04:15] <ScottK> yuriy: Thanks for letting me know.
[06:18] <daSkreech> nixternal: http://www.mydamnchannel.com/channel.aspx?episode=577
[09:38] <mhb> morning
[10:03] <yao_ziyuan> hi
[10:03] <yao_ziyuan> i just tested a fresh RC
[10:04] <yao_ziyuan> the situation is better than i thought yesterday
[10:04] <yao_ziyuan> you just need a very simple fix
[10:04] <yao_ziyuan> that is, if you freshly install RC and choose Simplified Chinese (or other East Asian languages) during installation,
[10:05] <yao_ziyuan> after installation, you go to a text field, such as the one in Run Command,
[10:06] <yao_ziyuan> and you right click the text field, and select "Select Input Method",
[10:06] <yao_ziyuan> and you will see the current input method is "scim-bridge".
[10:06] <yao_ziyuan> this is not right.
[10:06] <yao_ziyuan> the default input method should be "scim".
[10:07] <yao_ziyuan> you just need to simply change the default X input method from "scim-bridge" to "scim".
[10:07] <yao_ziyuan> i'm making a screenshot to illustrate it
[10:12] <yao_ziyuan> screenshot: http://tinyurl.com/5lcs7n
[10:12] <yao_ziyuan> this is a freshly installed Simplified Chinese Kubuntu RC
[10:13] <yao_ziyuan> as seen from the screenshot, what's originally checked is "scim-bridge"
[10:13] <yao_ziyuan> this is not right. the default should be "scim".
[10:14] <yao_ziyuan> actually, all the other options ("scim-bridge", "XIM", "Simple Composing Input Method") are useless. better not display them at all.
[10:20] <awen_> yuriy and ScottK: the wineconfig patch as it is now at least let wineconfig start, and all options are translated into french ... so if something is missing it is at least minor issues
[10:37] <yao_ziyuan> bug filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/219513
[10:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219513 in scim "Default X input method in Kubuntu 8.04 RC with East Asian system language" [Undecided,New]
[12:46] <yao_ziyuan> why kubuntu RC's taskbar panels have double-line stripes
[12:47] <yao_ziyuan> while my 7.10-upgraded RC still has the old single-line stripes?
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> I cannot find anything for how to integrate rosetta into a python program.... does anyone have an example or tutorial?
[15:59] <ScottK> awen_: Thanks.  I'll leave it then.
[17:19] <yao_ziyuan> yesterday's input method bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/219513
[17:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219513 in scim "Default X input method in Kubuntu 8.04 RC with East Asian system language" [Undecided,New]
[17:47] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm building/testing smarter
[17:47] <ScottK> Riddell: 's gpm no hal patch now
[17:47] <ScottK> If it's good, I'll upload it for you to approve.
[17:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Uploaded.  Over to you.
[18:01] <ScottK> smarter: I like the gpm patch.  Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.  Now we just need to get Riddell to accept it.
[18:01]  * Riddell looks
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Congratulations smarter.  As (probably) the last to touch kde-guidance before release, you earn the right to be responsible for everything that goes wrong with it for the next 18 month.  ;-)
[18:20] <smarter> ScottK: huzzah
[18:20]  * smarter should have read the fine print before signing the contract :P
[18:38] <yao_ziyuan> !bug
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[18:42] <blueyed> Riddell: can you please sponsor the debdiff in bug 152856?
[18:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152856 in gdebi "Kubuntu Package Installer (GDebiKDE) says "Package File Does Not Exist" when trying to install a deb that's in a directory that has a space in  it's name." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152856
[18:44] <yao_ziyuan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/219513 updated
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219513 in scim "Default X input method in Kubuntu 8.04 RC with East Asian system language" [Undecided,New]
[19:30] <ScottK> smarter_: You might want to delete packages out of your PPA now that they've been published in the archive.
[22:09] <etretyak> P
[22:33] <yuriy> smarter_, ScottK: please test and scrutinize: http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov/temp/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu17.debdiff
[22:34]  * ScottK looks
[22:34] <yuriy> i don't actually know how to test the bug or the fix though
[22:36] <ScottK> yuriy: I'm inclined to leave it for this release since we're so close since no one has actually complained (that's right isn't it)?
[22:36] <ScottK> yuriy: I want to batch up our stuff and get it into Debian, so that's were I think we ought to go with this patch.
[22:37] <ScottK> If it turns out to have significant impacts, we can always try and SRU after release.
[22:37] <yuriy> ScottK: that's right. it's a fairly minor issue i think: i think my last patch makes the strings not flagged for translations, but they've been there and unchanged for 2 releases, so should already be translated
[22:39] <yuriy> ScottK: as far as getting into debian, i'm committing any fixes to wineconfig to KDE svn
[22:39] <jtate> anybody else experienced that kde4 shortcuts don't actually get saved across an application restart?
[22:39]  * yuriy hasn't try to modify any
[22:40] <ScottK> Ah.  yuriy: Can you push all our patches into the KDE svn then?
[22:40]  * jtate has two problems, first there are drawing problems in systemsettings' tree dialog, but then if you set something in kmix, and save, restarting kmix will lose those settings.
[22:41] <jussio1> jtate: yes
[22:41] <yuriy> ScottK: i'd rather sebas and _Sime did those for their respective components since i don't know much about them
[22:41] <ScottK> OK.
[22:41] <jussio1> jtate: bug 219216
[22:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219216 in yakuake-kde4 "yakuake-kde4 does not remember settings after restarting it." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219216
[22:41] <ScottK> yuriy: Can you coordinate with them to get that done then?
[22:41] <jtate> Cool
[22:42] <yuriy> ScottK: k. sebas, _Sime: poke ^^
[22:42] <jtate> jussio1: is there an upstream bug too?
[22:43] <jussio1> jtate: I dont know, I only filed it to LP
[22:43] <ScottK> yuriy: If we get them all incorporated upstream, then Debian can just pull a new svn snapshot.
[22:44] <jussio1> btw, does anyone know how to open .ace archives?
[22:46] <ScottK> yuriy, sebas, _Sime: It might also be good to look at the NMU of kde-guidance that was recently done in Debian to see if there's anything useful for upstream there.  The patch is attached to this message: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=10;bug=424430
[22:47] <yuriy> what is an NMU?
[22:47] <ScottK> Non-Maintainer-Upload.
[22:48] <ScottK> Ubuntu doesn't really have an equivalent since almost everything is team maintained.
[22:55] <yuriy> ScottK: look to me like the NMU is stuff that's either already there or ui files that should be generated at build time
[22:56] <ScottK> OK.  I guess the public vs private build path is a Debian build issue then?
[22:57] <yuriy> I don't know anything about that, i'm just pointing out that I don't see any source changes there
[22:57] <ScottK> OK
[23:28] <jtate> jussio1: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161045
[23:28] <ubotu> KDE bug 161045 in general "Shortcut settings not saved" [Normal,Unconfirmed]


[20:06] <davef> That moment when you're half way through a change and there's an outage at the DC your servers are located, and have to roll-back.
[22:34] <daftykins> D:
[22:45] <zxmpi> when you find if all your backup schemes and layers of backupd works
[22:46] <daftykins> davef: did your power interruption go ahead the second time?
[22:46] <daftykins> or does an anonymous customer still have a call to make xD
[22:46] <davef> Nope
[22:48] <daftykins> bit cruel of them to dupe you like that!


[03:10] <bobweaver> Hello
[03:11] <bobweaver> there is xml data for user stored files vial api/ xml
[03:11] <bobweaver> I need help with getting Xml from api
[03:11] <bobweaver> if this is even possible
[03:14] <bobweaver> Even to local data ... that would be preferred I want to take and make a qml app that can read xml data after login and or take the ubuntu-one-qt and make into declarative view so that it may be intergrated into the Unity-2d interface for a france Ubuntu party.
[03:14]  * bobweaver takes a breath
[03:17] <bobweaver> So if this ubuntuone-control-panel-qt was made into declarative view then one could put it straight into dash of unity 2d as a  qt-quick  app
[03:17] <karni> bobweaver: file_storage API speaks JSON
[03:17] <bobweaver> meaning that it would be like a lens
[03:17] <bobweaver> \o/
[03:17] <bobweaver> thanks a ton karni
[03:17] <karni> bobweaver: one.ubuntu.com/api/file_storage/v1
[03:17] <karni> bobweaver: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/files/store_files/cloud
[03:18] <bobweaver> I am going to make awesome sauce with api if I can get xml
[03:18] <bobweaver> for Ubuntu tv
[03:18] <bobweaver> for the france party
[03:18] <bobweaver> Oo looking @ links
[03:18] <bobweaver> thanks again
[03:18] <karni> bobweaver: I doubt you can, but stuff you're talking about sounds promising. Maybe we could think about the XML, but our preferred way is JSON.
[03:19] <karni> You're welcome.
[03:19] <bobweaver> either way
[03:19] <karni> Gotta go, very late here :)
[03:19] <bobweaver> there is a qt-quick element called XmlListmodel it is great !
[03:20] <bobweaver> I guess I could make browser plugin with WebView element
[03:20] <bobweaver> then no need to make any app
[03:20] <bobweaver> Oo
[03:20] <bobweaver> of to the races
[03:20] <bobweaver> thanks for the brainstrom
[03:20] <karni> np :)
[03:20] <bobweaver> brainstorm*
[03:22] <bobweaver> But I still think that porting ubuntuone-control-panel-qt to qml would be a Super cool thing to do maybe I will Oo into it =)
[03:22] <bobweaver> integrating / porting whatever
[03:25] <bobweaver> Yes that is it I will use WebView to make browser and then take out the buttons and what not just like I did here for Christian's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po8nqy1PP_U    but that way one can use Ubuntu One stright from dash
[03:51] <bobweaver> Does one that is good with Gimp want to make canonical Purple Icon Here is a sample http://bazaar.launchpad.net/static/images/ico_file_download.gif     Is this ok ?
[03:51] <bobweaver> can I use this icon ?
[03:53] <bobweaver> How does one get to a OK yes you can use this icon for Ubuntu One ?
[03:53] <bobweaver> read debian/copyright and send email ?
[03:56] <bobweaver> If you can not tell I am new to open source or any licenses at all. I just do NOT want to get in trouble. maybe this is a silly question but it is a real one that is from a real person that does not want to hurt him self
[04:04] <bobweaver> maybe if one wants to anwser I made askUbuntu thingy http://askubuntu.com/questions/215611/can-i-use-ubuntu-one-icons-for-3rd-party-thingy
[16:17] <karni> bobweaver: Folks from U1 are on a sprint in London. You may have to wait longer than usual for questions to get answered here for a few days.


[10:00] <qwebirc49520> i have a laptop with both hdmi and vga ports, what is recommended method to connect to tv with only scart and composite (RCA)?
[10:03] <qwebirc49520> !help
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[10:05] <qwebirc8125> i have a laptop with both hdmi and vga ports, what is recommended method to connect to tv with only scart and composite (RCA)?
[10:07] <qwebirc8125> I know that scart and vga are both analogue, and hdmi digital. But have also been told some composites (rare) are digital too. Would it be easier to stream through ps3 to the tv?
[14:27] <compdoc> I just installed mythbuntu and have spent hours just trying to ssh to the box. I dont understand why this is so hard