[12:00] <Jeezis> ircbot_: inprocomm mini-pci, its built in to my laptop
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: your instructions are taken, and thoroughly disregarded
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: bad idea to install one version of firefox over another
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: my money goes where I want
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: apt-get remove firefox
[12:00] <Anlar> fejaor: bug fixes are being backported, don't look at the version numbers.
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: apt-get remove mozilla-firefox (maybe?)
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: and I certainly wouldn't tell you how to spend yours
[12:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Does anyone know of a good Open Source alternative for Mind Mapper?
[12:01] <icebalm> djm62: I'm not telling you what to do, if you don't want to spend the extra $10 to buy a real soundcard and waste your time with software kludges that's up to you
[12:01] <ircbot_> Jeezis: you check the forums?  i've heard of that problem before but i don't recall the fix
[12:01] <fejaor> I can't remove it cause I don't have "enough privileges" (only user!!!)
[12:01] <Marble2> put sudo before the command
[12:01] <Jeezis> ircbot_: i've searched ubuntu.com
[12:01] <Marble2> you need root access to do that
[12:02] <ircbot_> icebalm: what about those of us who can't quite figure out to install said sound card in a freaking lappy?  that's when the "software kludges" look pretty damn good
[12:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying to get a local Realator to try linux, but uses Mind mapper heavily
[12:02] <Marble2> fejaor: I compiled 1.0.3 from source and copied it over the 1.0.2 install from the ubuntu repositories, and my stuff is working fine
[12:02] <crimsun> wliu: sec
[12:02] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: freemind.sf.net if you don't mind java
[12:03] <icebalm> ircbot_: many laptops have sound chipsets which support multiple streams, if yours dont then by all means, waste your time
[12:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks, I'll check it out.
[12:03] <xorg> I'm having trouble getting my new xorg.conf read after reboot?
[12:03] <ircbot_> icebalm: waste my time?  you have a mighty big opinion there
[12:03] <icebalm> ircbot_: I however would posit that it wouldn't (shouldn't?) be a big deal on a laptop
[12:03] <Amplificator> Where is the settings for "Keyboard Shortcuts" saved? I can't disable the keysa!
[12:04] <fejaor> how did you do that Marble2??
[12:04] <icebalm> ircbot_: yes, I do. Basically it goes like this: 1. buy proper computer and spend extra $10 or 2. waste time that's worth way more than $10 to get the same result
[12:04] <ircbot_> i like having multiple sounds on my lappy... and i've found it to be a fix...
[12:04] <gordonjcp> evening all
[12:04] <ircbot_> icebalm: took me all of 20 minutes to set up esd
[12:05] <ircbot_> icebalm: and i got a lappy that has great pretty much everything except a decent sound card.  so you can take your opinion and find a place to put it.
[12:05] <icebalm> ircbot_: 20 minutes I never had to waste
[12:05] <fejaor> I've downloaded the version 1.0.3 but can't installed correctly
[12:05] <Marble2> compiled it in a seperate directory, then copied it over to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[12:05] <ircbot_> anyways... i'm out.
[12:06] <djm62> 20 minutes of my time is worth <$5
[12:06] <fejaor> I can't download win32 codecs....cant find it on synaptic....help!!
[12:07] <icebalm> djm62: no comment
[12:07] <Marble2> fejaor: PM me
[12:07] <djm62> fejaor: did you go through the RestrictedFormats section of the wiki?
[12:08] <crimsun> wliu: you have multiple sound cards?
[12:09] <wliu> crimsun: no, just the one built into the motherboard
[12:09] <xorg> hello folks; I've just installed, I'm stuck with screen resolution  640x480, I've tried using the GUI for changing it but I am only given the choice of 640x480? I've tried editing my xorg.conf with a text editor, my changes don't take affect after reboot?
[12:09] <crimsun> why are you using hw:1,0 in your dmixer definition, then?
[12:10] <CrazyNorman> I'm running Hoary with a GeForce FX 5700LE 256mb with the binary drivers installed.  I enabled composite rendering using a tutorial in the forums.  Things feel somewhat slow, and random parts of the screen get corrupted.  Any idea what could be wrong, because other people had tried it and said it worked.
[12:10] <Anlar> xorg: you need to add the modelines in your xorg.conf to the Monitor section.
[12:10] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there a way to make chown apply the new ownership to the directory and all of its subdirectories?
[12:10] <Edgan> fejaor: your display working the way you want now?
[12:10] <xorg> Anlar: I dont understand could you please explain more?
[12:11] <crimsun> wliu: cat /proc/asound/cards   -> #flood
[12:11] <p2og> how can I change settings so that when I bring a window close to another they "snap" together
[12:11] <Edgan> fejaor: as for win32 codecs, they are in hoary-extras, an unoffical ubuntu repo
[12:12] <GammaRay> xorg: an easier way is to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <Edgan> GammaRay: What exactly does that do?
[12:13] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, -R
[12:13] <Anlar> gammaray: the autoprobe doesn't unfortunately seem to work for all the monitors..
[12:13] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, man chown
[12:14] <Anlar> gammaray: suggests for instance to me to use 10 000 Hz refresh rate
[12:14] <nickrud> man pages are good if all you need is a command switch :)
[12:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> having trouble installing java. Is there a repository you recommend?
[12:14] <GammaRay> Anlar: it allows you to manually select resolutions and virt refresh etc also
[12:14] <tbird> FlyingSquirrel32, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:14] <pharaonic_anubis> nickrud, yah I manned it... didn't see the -R though. Accept my apologies for my utter ignorance.
[12:15] <Anlar> gammaray: nice to know.
[12:15] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[12:15] <hans_> is there a driver for an ati 9700 on ubuntu?
[12:15] <karljp> the bottom section (ignore the top half)
[12:15] <GammaRay> Edgan: it basically leads you through editing xorg.conf but w/ a curses wizard
[12:15] <Edgan> GammaRay: ah
[12:15] <GammaRay> and defaults
[12:15] <GammaRay> it has defaults (-;
[12:16] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, I'm not about to estimate how many times that's happened to me :/
[12:18] <nickrud> FlyingSquirrel32, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java  I like method three.
[12:18] <^vir^> hi
[12:19] <karljp> method 3 is very similar to the java1.5 wiki page
[12:19] <^vir^> i've just installed enlightenment & am wondering how i would change my box to use enlightenment instead
[12:19] <nickrud> i'ts nice because you can easily remove it if you want
[12:19] <zero[] > anybody here get Warcraft III working with Wine?
[12:19] <GammaRay> you know the top of xorg.conf tells you to type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:19] <GammaRay> that's nuts
[12:20] <zero[] > i get it to start, but can't select a campaign
[12:20] <karljp> what's nuts about it?
[12:20] <djm62> ^vir^: set the session to enlightenment, and I think it defaults to "previous session" or gives you the option to
[12:20] <karljp> lots of files can be manned
[12:20] <zero[] > and i also have cedega, but can't get it to start with cedega at all
[12:20] <GammaRay> karljp: try it
[12:20] <karljp> whoah
[12:20] <karljp> ok :)
[12:20] <karljp> you win
[12:20] <geargolem> how to remove locked files?
[12:20] <karljp> man xorg.conf works though
[12:20] <GammaRay> I'm sure that's what they mean
[12:21] <nickrud> karljp, then man your driver
[12:21] <^vir^> djm62,  when i did a restart it didn't give me that option like it would do if i had kde installed
[12:21] <karljp> dexconf quirkiness
[12:22] <geargolem> locked file in hoary... how do I remove it?
[12:22] <Amplificator>
[12:22] <nickrud> geargolem, rm <locked-file>
[12:22] <geargolem> thank you nickrud
[12:23] <djm62> ^vir^: when you log in, you can choose session?
[12:23] <geargolem> how about a directory, nickrud?
[12:23] <^vir^> yeah but enlightenment wasn't listed
[12:23] <nickrud> geargolem, if it's empty, rmdir
[12:23] <geargolem> thank you
[12:23] <nickrud> np
[12:24] <^vir^> default, gnome, failsafe & last session i believe djm62
[12:24] <djm62> ^vir^: oh...you do have it installed, but it's not listed?  :-/
[12:25] <^vir^> i used synaptic to get the packages djm62 so should be installed
[12:26] <tbird> ^vir^ is it enlightenment0.17.0_pre10 ?
[12:26] <n3> hello
[12:27] <tbird> i tried to install that but the howto i found well the links were all wrong so i fixed them then the packages either was not there of were broken
[12:27] <tbird> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[12:28] <^vir^> i think its e16 i tried but enlightenment looks good
[12:28] <djm62> ^vir^: that's strange...I'm not sure what's wrong there
[12:28] <tbird> anyone got e17 working through synaptic
[12:28] <nickrud> lol
[12:29] <nickrud> I do this for stress relief :)
[12:29] <djm62> yeah...168 hours a week, if everyone sticks in a couple, free support can work well
[12:29] <geargolem> Bagisas/Blender heads?  Need to install
[12:30] <nickrud> I'm kinda overboard right now, but I've got some parties to make up for.
[12:31] <hyapadi> does anyone know how to run a command during boot ( everytime )?
[12:31] <n3> anyone want to watch a documentary on rock music?
[12:32] <nickrud> hyapadi, use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a template, and man update-rc.d
[12:32] <Burgundavia> n3, kind of offtopic for here
[12:32] <^vir^> tbird,  seen this? http://soulmachine.net/debian/unstable-20050215/
[12:32] <n3> ok
[12:32] <n3> nevermind
[12:32] <n3> PS: has anyone seen the documentary THE CODE?>
[12:32] <tbird> yeah ^vir^ thats basically what i went by
[12:32] <n3> about linux?
[12:32] <tbird> well they are mentioned in the link i just put up
[12:33] <tbird> i shanged it to point to that
[12:33] <mjr> n3, I have
[12:33] <tbird> but did not work
[12:33] <djm62> geargolem: what's the structure of these heads?
[12:34] <tbird> ^vir^ did you just dl the files from there and install them ?
[12:34] <geargolem> djm62, trying to install bagisas(gui)  for yafray/blender
[12:34] <mjr> n3, there were some weird style choices, but I suppose it conveys the gist of it adequately
[12:34] <djm62> geargolem: ah :)
[12:34] <devscott> anyone have any experience with prolog
[12:34] <djm62> I have blender installed, so that's in universe or multiverse
[12:34] <^vir^> i haven't yet tried tbird i will in a sec i think
[12:35] <mjr> djm62, universe
[12:35] <mjr> djm62, hint: apt-cache policy package tells where it's at
[12:35] <tbird> ^vir^ did not work for me at all hope you have better luck
[12:35] <cens0red> hey does ubuntu auto-upgrade? Like, if you begin with 5.04 and and you're constantly downloading updates ... will you eventually end up with a 5.05?
[12:36] <n3> Cool
[12:36] <n3> u seen it
[12:36] <mjr> cens0red, there won't be a 5.05, and there are no autoupgrades, but you can do it easily enough
[12:36] <n3> do you know where to buy the DVD?
[12:36] <_foxiness> hi
[12:36] <mjr> n3, sorry, no
[12:36] <^vir^> cens0red, the release builds go by dates
[12:36] <n3> ok
[12:36] <n3> did you ftp it too?
[12:36] <djm62> bagisas...looks like it isn't in there
[12:37] <mjr> n3, watched it on T, plus my SO got a DVD for free from organizing a conference here
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, there is no 5.05. The next version is 5.10
[12:37] <cens0red> ^vir^ aah. 5.05 = April 2005?
[12:37] <mjr> on TV, that is
[12:37] <cens0red> err May 2005?
[12:37] <yoner> Ubuntu is fantastic! I just booted the live x86 and am now running the PPC. Does anyone know whether sleep works on PowerBook systems?
[12:37] <n3> HEY!
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, and they are working on tool to allow it easily for 5.10
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, current stable is 5.04
[12:37] <n3> you have the DVD of the CODE - LINUX?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, but otherwise you are right
[12:37] <djm62> yoner: not all...give it a try
[12:37] <^vir^> next release is in oct i think
[12:38] <mjr> n3, yep
[12:38] <n3> COOL
[12:38] <n3> i wish
[12:38] <n3> i could get the stuff
[12:38] <djm62> n3: let the caps relax, man
[12:38] <n3> but dont even have a credit card or know where to start
[12:38] <n3> so downloaded it from ftp
[12:38] <ana> can anyone help me, ive installed firestarter to share my connection but the host doesnt connect, what is the gateway that i should put in the host
[12:38] <yoner> Thanks. This is by far the best live CD I have seen.
[12:38] <_foxiness> after i installed ubuntu i can not than access my fedora "am try to change (hd0,n) and try grub-install" any point here !
[12:39] <n3> I got UBUNTU CDs LIVE and Full Install for free from the science center here
[12:39] <geargolem> djm62 have to build from source.  bagisas= gui for yafray
[12:39] <kkamrani> hey eveyrone, i'm trying to get samba to share some of the folders on my ubuntu computer with my windows machines however after following the instructions on the wiki.ubuntulinux.org page i'm still at a loss. i've even reset my SMBpasswd... but no dice. anyone have any pointers?
[12:40] <vessuvius81> kkamranai- www.samba.org
[12:41] <vessuvius81> Has anyone here ever used Gentoo?
[12:41] <guardian653> sure have
[12:41] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, been there -- i got everything setup and configured /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:41] <vessuvius81> Any incites about advantages/disadvantages over Ubuntu?
[12:41] <_foxiness> if i select auto then will ubuntu installer will over write /boot partition for fc3 on the same hd ?
[12:41] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, can you ping the server from your client?
[12:41] <occy> hmmm
[12:41] <Burgundavia> vessuvius81, different target audience
[12:42] <kkamrani> yes i can, vessuvius81
[12:42] <djm62> geargolem: do you know the dependencies?
[12:42] <geargolem> yes, have them
[12:42] <occy> Ubuntu's Firefox doesn't have the developer stuff in it.
[12:42] <vessuvius81> how are you trying to map the share?
[12:42] <xor1> hello Anlar that advice work like a charm thank you
[12:42] <Anlar> :)
[12:42] <yoner> Does anyone have experience with sleeping a PowerBook system from the live Ubuntu CD? I may well be clueless, but I don't see any options in the Gnome GUI
[12:42] <xor1> thanks mate
[12:42] <kkamrani> but the shares dont show up under the windows network, and when i try to load up \\ubuntu (the name of my ubuntu machine) windows says the host was not found
[12:43] <geargolem> djm62, PIL, PyXML, Python(2.4)
[12:43] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, dns not working?
[12:43] <occy> anyone here know how I can get the web developer extention working with Ubuntu?
[12:43] <guardian653> vessuvius81, compile time can be an issue, but you can do almost anything you want for packages
[12:43] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, ahhh maybe, how can i tell if it is working
[12:43] <djm62> geargolem: so, you're ok with the installation? (best to install to /usr/local)
[12:43] <_foxiness> did u c my text plz
[12:43] <vessuvius81> nslookup ubuntu
[12:43] <kkamrani> okay
[12:43] <geargolem> djm62, no.  having no luck whatsoever
[12:44] <djm62> geargolem: what's up?
[12:44] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:~$ nslookup ubuntu
[12:44] <kkamrani> Server:         <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:44] <kkamrani> Address:        <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[12:44] <kkamrani> ** server can't find ubuntu: NXDOMAIN
[12:44] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:~$
[12:44] <occy>  The 'View Style Information' feature requires a DOM  Inspector enabled build.
[12:44] <kkamrani> <IP_ADDRESS> is my router/dhcp server
[12:44] <occy> http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/documentation/faq/
[12:44] <geargolem> djm62  getting half-done installation directions.  not sure what needs to be done
[12:44] <Kartagis> try ubuntu.com or ubuntulinux.org
[12:45] <_foxiness> if i select auto then will ubuntu installer will over write /boot partition for fc3 on the same hd ?
[12:45] <vessuvius81> ok, well I don't want to go completely though setting up bind... so... does your samba machine have a static ip?
[12:45] <occy> anyone know how I can get the DOM Inspector stuff into Ubuntu's Firefox?
[12:45] <vessuvius81> or a dynamic one?
[12:45] <_foxiness> hi all
[12:45] <Kartagis> kkamrani: try ubuntu.com or ubuntulinux.org
[12:45] <kkamrani> ahh i knew i have to setup BIND
[12:45] <ana> does anyone know how to share connection with firestarter
[12:45] <kkamrani> it has a static ip, vessuvius81
[12:46] <vessuvius81> well then you should be able to reach it with its ip address instead of the name
[12:46] <djm62> geargolem: what exactly are you doing, and what exactly is the error?
[12:46] <occy> nm
[12:46] <occy> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector
[12:46] <occy> heh
[12:46] <_foxiness> after i installed ubuntu i can not than access my fedora "am try to change (hd0,n) and try grub-install" any point here !
[12:47] <geargolem> djm62  must set paths...   what paths?  to where?  why?
[12:47] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, first setup a completely open shared directory... readable, browseable, writeable, the whole works
[12:47] <occy> sweet, I love it when I answer my own question.
[12:47] <ana> pleeeaassseee...
[12:47] <ana> somebody help me shatre my connection
[12:47] <kkamrani> i can VNC and SSH/Telnet into it using the static IP but not the hostname...
[12:47] <karljp> anyone know someting that's as easy to use as the alarm clock and countdown timer on my mobile phone?
[12:47] <kkamrani> okay, vessuvius81 i'll do that
[12:48] <vessuvius81> also, make sure in your smb.conf, the WORKGROUP is set to the same workgroup or domain that your windows machine has set
[12:48] <_foxiness> ana, there are wizerd come with it
[12:48] <vessuvius81> that would be the first thing to check
[12:48] <karljp> I want to do something fairly obnoxious, and I don't really care what it is, very very easily, at a certain time, or in a certain time.
[12:48] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, it's the exact same workgroup - MSHome
[12:48] <_foxiness> did u c my text plz
[12:48] <vessuvius81> ok
[12:48] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, i created a completely open share
[12:48] <ana> _foxiness,  i know, the problem is i dont know the gateway i should put in on the other pc
[12:49] <ana> its connected through a crossover cable
[12:49] <vessuvius81> ok, so see if you can map it
[12:49] <vessuvius81> using the IP
[12:49] <djm62> geargolem: does the program run for you?
[12:49] <_foxiness> ana is it dhcp
[12:49] <geargolem> no, djm62,  unsure of how to set up
[12:49] <vessuvius81> net use X: //<IP_ADDRESS>/sharename
[12:49] <vessuvius81> or however
[12:49] <kkamrani> cant find <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:50] <kkamrani> <IP_ADDRESS> is the static ip for my ubuntu box
[12:50] <vessuvius81> is that your samba server's address?
[12:50] <vessuvius81> ok
[12:50] <vessuvius81> and you can ping it?
[12:50] <kkamrani> yes
[12:50] <djm62> geargolem: if you've tar -xzvf'ed it , cd to the new directory and try typing ./Bagisas.py
[12:50] <vessuvius81> make sure you have samba running then
[12:50] <kkamrani> i'm vnc'd into it
[12:50] <geargolem> ok djm62
[12:50] <kkamrani> okay lemme do a ps -A to see if Samba is running
[12:50] <yoner> FYI, for anyone running an olde G3 Pismo. It looks like sleep is not supported, as there's no "suspend" option active on the battery panel
[12:51] <ana> _foxiness, the pc that is connected to the internet has 2 netcards eth0 that is the adsl pppoe modem and eth1 which is the lan
[12:51] <vessuvius81> somewhere in sbin I think is samba... do a samba restart
[12:51] <EddieX> Anyone who is using sdl here(programming)?
[12:51] <djm62> yoner: that may be different between the liveCD and installed distro
[12:51] <ana> eth1 is hooked to a pentium which i set up as ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:51] <ana> submask<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:51] <geargolem>   File "./Bagisas.py", line 31, in ?
[12:51] <geargolem>     import profile
[12:51] <geargolem>   djm62
[12:51] <ana> but i dont know the gateway
[12:52] <vessuvius81> probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:52] <kkamrani> hrmm when i did a ps -A samba was not running that could be it
[12:52] <marska> Hello.. I was wondering if anyone knew if Mozilla has a TEXT ONLY MODE wherein all pictures and graphics are disabled?
[12:52] <dr_willis> that would be my guess also vessuvius81
[12:52] <yoner> Thanks djm62. It's not my machine, so I dare not install it.   :P
[12:53] <kkamrani> how do you start samba, vessuvius81?
[12:53] <vessuvius81> hmmm
[12:53] <vessuvius81> search for samba
[12:53] <vessuvius81> might be in usr/bin
[12:53] <_foxiness> ana, u can change it from auto to static one than give it a no. u want
[12:53] <djm62> geargolem: because I'm searching for the solution
[12:54] <yoner> Is anyone else seeing time display issues with the menubar clock on the live CD? I've seen this on both PPC and x86
[12:54] <geargolem> ok, djm62.  where did you tar bagisas?
[12:54] <ringmauer> how to open a program thats not in the applications list?
[12:55] <RuKK> ringmauer, applications>run application>app name>enter
[12:55] <RuKK> :)
[12:55] <qkslvrwolf_> you gotta search for it and then run the executable from console
[12:55] <djm62> geargolem: Desktop, where it was downloaded.  I'd probably end up putting it in $HOME and adding that directory to the end of my $PATH
[12:55] <nydust> i have mysql installed but mambo install cant ind it
[12:55] <nydust> ind=find
[12:55] <vessuvius81> kk, also do testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:55] <vessuvius81> makes sure that works
[12:56] <ringmauer> Rukk, ive installed libpoker 3d in synaptic ,in which folder is in installed then?
[12:56] <emokid> i just now got banned from #debian just because i said that ubuntu is greater than debian!!!
[12:56] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$ smbstatus
[12:56] <kkamrani> sessionid.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> /var/run/samba/connections.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> This is normal if an SMB client has never connected to your server.
[12:56] <kkamrani> /var/run/samba/locking.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> This is normal if an SMB client has never connected to your server.
[12:56] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$
[12:56] <RuKK> ringmauer, search for libpoker
[12:57] <RuKK> or just try running libpoker
[12:57] <djm62> emokid: that sort of thing isn't recommended in the most liberal forums, let alone #debian
[12:57] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$ testparm
[12:57] <kkamrani> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[homes] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[printers] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[print$] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[WWW] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[Home] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Loaded services file OK.
[12:57] <kkamrani> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[12:57] <kkamrani> Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions
[12:57] <kkamrani> everythign sems to work
[12:57] <Amaranth> ah!!
[12:57] <vessuvius81> ok, so your smb.conf is right
[12:57] <Amaranth> Please don't do that again.
[12:57] <RuKK> emokid, emo sucks so bad.. even pop is better.
[12:57] <vessuvius81> yeah, pvt me if you want to show taht stuff, kk
[12:58] <emokid> can some1 help me out with my nat confing
[12:58] <kkamrani> i dont see anything in /usr/bin that would restart smb
[12:58] <RuKK> ;)
[12:58] <cens0red> so does ubuntu aim at being the "windows killer"? Or just a bloody good desktop linux?
[12:58] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[12:58] <kkamrani> sorry, i didnt know it would piss some people off... my bad
[12:58] <vessuvius81> kk, sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:58] <djm62> cens0red: what would it mean to be the "windows killer"?
[12:58] <Marble2> Is there a good standalone application that can mass edit id3 tags (getting album info from freedb would be a plus too...)
[12:58] <kkamrani> okay did the samba restart
[12:59] <djm62> cens0red: I think it just aims to be what it is well
[12:59] <kkamrani> let's see if it works!
[12:59] <Simian> where can i find the .vimrc file
[12:59] <yoner> Thanks to all in this group. Going back to the x86 box before the Mac user freaks!
[12:59] <vessuvius81> smbclient -L
[12:59] <djm62> :)
[12:59] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[12:59] <nickrud> cens0red, I don't care where they think they're going, it WORKS FOR ME :)
[12:59] <kkamrani> well    well wellm
[12:59] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, you are my hero
[12:59] <kkamrani> thanks so much!
[12:59] <djm62> lot of PPC users about these days
[12:59] <kkamrani> it works!
[12:59] <geargolem> djm62 alternative would be to get yafray gui for win and wine it.
[12:59] <vessuvius81> good :)
[01:00] <vessuvius81> everytime you change smb.conf, be sure to restart
[01:00] <kkamrani> i guess samba needed a restart after i configed it
[01:00] <vessuvius81> ya
[01:00] <kkamrani> haha alright
[01:00] <kkamrani> thanks again
[01:00] <karljp> I certainly hope it's not meant to be a windows killer
[01:00] <vessuvius81> no prob
[01:00] <kkamrani> much appreciate you help
[01:00] <karljp> windows killer would look and feel like windows, but be free.
[01:00] <dr_willis> why have somthing as pathic as windows. :P
[01:00] <nickrud> kde (cough, cough)
[01:00] <djm62> geargolem: sub-optimal...you could try on the foryms of the bagisas site and ask if anyone's using on ubuntu
[01:00] <geargolem> have, djm62.  no luck
[01:01] <karljp> nick: so kubuntut might, but ubuntu isn't :)
[01:01] <vessuvius81> I just switched to linux about a month ago... still have to use windows for some tasks, but I now absolutely hate the windows interface
[01:01] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[01:01] <nickrud> you know, I hope that old saw about say it, it happens, is false
[01:01] <Simian> where can i find the .vimrc file
[01:01] <XTCboarder> blah
[01:01] <djm62> d'oh
[01:02] <vessuvius81> Simiana..
[01:02] <vessuvius81> sudo updatedb
[01:02] <vessuvius81> locate .vimrc
[01:02] <_foxiness> can any one tell me how can i fix broken boot "other linux os with ubuntu" can not boot after install ubuntu
[01:02] <emokid> can i use blackbox with ubuntu? how do install it?
[01:02] <Simian> thanks but i tried that and it returned nothing
[01:02] <Simian> does that mean that i don't have one
[01:02] <karljp> man vim; /vimrc
[01:02] <karljp> so try /usr/share/vim/vimrc for the default
[01:03] <Simian> thanks :)
[01:03] <emokid> i keep on forgetting how to make an user
[01:03] <emokid> adduser?
[01:03] <vessuvius81> so back to gentoo... advantages, disadvantages?
[01:03] <Resonant> emokid, exactly!
[01:03] <emokid> thanks
[01:04] <Resonant> if you want to know the other required options, type man adduser
[01:04] <Resonant> Some are very useful.
[01:04] <emokid> whats man
[01:04] <vessuvius81> manual
[01:04] <vessuvius81> like.. help
[01:04] <emokid> oh
[01:04] <Resonant> Man shows manual pages for various commands
[01:04] <emokid> yea
[01:04] <vessuvius81> it helps a lot
[01:04] <vessuvius81> sometimes :)
[01:04] <Resonant> e.g., man bash
[01:04] <nickrud> emokid, you should use Systemj->Admin->Users & Groups
[01:04] <emokid> is there some step by step guide for ubuntu?
[01:04] <Resonant> or man apt-get
[01:04] <emokid> like basic commands
[01:04] <djm62> gentoo takes more time, but seems to have a certain, specific breed of very satisfied users
[01:04] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org is handy.
[01:04] <Resonant> Listen to nickrud, emokid
[01:04] <vessuvius81> emokid, ubuntuguide.org
[01:04] <emokid> i see
[01:04] <_foxiness> all my doc and setting on old "distro" is on /root now am on /home/userxxx what i should not to cp from old one to this new one ?
[01:05] <vessuvius81> also, you can always just google ubuntu and your problem
[01:05] <vessuvius81> and it will generally come up
[01:05] <nickrud> luuv google
[01:05] <nickrud> on a fast net connection, anyway
[01:05] <emokid> i see
[01:05] <vessuvius81> except sometime the answers you get won't work ;-)
[01:05] <nickrud> lol
[01:06] <vessuvius81> has anyone successfully gotten juicer to rip to mp3?
[01:06] <emokid> im not very advanced in linux
[01:06] <emokid> so i assume i wont have much troubles since i cant really break it so hard
[01:06] <nickrud> emokid, that's ok, that's where we all started :)
[01:06] <vessuvius81> you can definitely break it :)
[01:06] <nickrud> but it's only software, so, hey.
[01:06] <emokid> i ordered 250 ubuntu cds so i could spread them to my friends
[01:06] <emokid> have u done it 2?
[01:07] <vessuvius81> I ordered 5
[01:07] <nickrud> I got 10, left nine at the library, all gone in 2 hours
[01:07] <mjr> 250? You have a lot of friends...
[01:07] <chx_> Welcome. When I try to install ftp-ssl, it wants to remove ubuntu-base ... what the HECK?
[01:07] <emokid> ill give them to friends, leave some at libraries and stuff
[01:07] <emokid> ill make sure ubuntu will spread in lithuania!
[01:07] <dazed> lol
[01:08] <Marble2> when will hoary cd's be out?
[01:08] <Marble2> i ordered 10 more x86 cds
[01:08] <nickrud> Marble2, give them 45 days
[01:08] <Marble2> okay, that's not so bad
[01:09] <vessuvius81> anyone on mp3's in sound juicer? I get "Reason: Could not create GStreamer encover ((null))
[01:09] <vessuvius81> installed lame and liblame
[01:09] <vessuvius81> and did the registering
[01:09] <djm62> vessuvius81: gstreamer0.8-lame ?
[01:09] <vessuvius81> ya
[01:09] <yoner> Anyone know how Ubuntu can afford to ship free CDs? Have they been overwhelmed with requests?
[01:10] <karljp> shipping free cds is probably as cheap or cheaper than bandwidth charges :)
[01:10] <karljp> mailing a cd doesn't cost much :)
[01:10] <Bazzi> yoner I think one of the richest men on the world is behind canonical
[01:10] <vessuvius81> gstreamer0.8-lame_0.8.2-2_i386.deb
[01:10] <Bazzi> "rumors say..."
[01:10] <yoner> karljp, you've got a point there...
[01:10] <nickrud> karljp, they'll ship you 250 free if you ask :)
[01:11] <yoner> bazzi, maybe it's Bill!
[01:11] <nickrud> that can't be that cheap, even from switzerland
[01:11] <emokid> i havent got those cds yet
[01:11] <emokid> i ordered them about month ago
[01:11] <emokid> and still nothing
[01:11] <emokid> but i still hope
[01:11] <benplaut> are linux based PDAs worth it?
[01:11] <Anlar> no.
[01:11] <Anlar> Palms are.
[01:12] <djm62> benplaut: you mean zaurus or handhelds.org?
[01:12] <nickrud> I'll be honest, I forgot I'd ordered them, and when they arrived, couldn't figure out who'd be shipping from swiss land ;)
[01:12] <GammaRay> pdas in general are doubtful
[01:12] <emokid> how much did you order nickrud
[01:12] <Anlar> I just had Tungsten T3. very polished, great applications, extremely user friendly and very useful. my memory.
[01:12] <dockane> is there any way to speed up the boot time of ubuntu on scsi systems ? i experience much longer boot time because of a delay after "starting ubuntu...." then on ide systems
[01:12] <nickrud> just 10
[01:12] <dockane> *than
[01:12] <Anlar> dockane: build your own kernel. most likely it does lots of extra probing?
[01:13] <emokid> how can i give user root privilegies
[01:13] <benplaut> djm62: i dunno... i am thinking of getting a PDA and came across some of them. Looking in the ~$300 range
[01:13] <nickrud> took about 1 to 2 months, I can't be sure exactly
[01:13] <emokid> in console
[01:13] <emokid> make root user?
[01:13] <nickrud> emokid, you don't need a root user.
[01:13] <emokid> ee
[01:13] <ircbot_> ah good ol' starbucks wireless
[01:13] <emokid> but how can i give other users root
[01:14] <emokid> so they could install soft i need
[01:14] <Earthen> how do i make a file executable??
[01:14] <ircbot_> supposed to be meeting my ex girlfriend here... she so wants me back now that i have a good job
[01:14] <emokid> Earthen, rename it
[01:14] <dockane> Anlar, any recommandations for manuals, tutorials etc ?
[01:14] <Earthen> isn't there a command i have to use
[01:14] <Anlar> dockane: err.. the kernel ships with very extensive documentation actually.
[01:14] <dr_willis> chmod +x whateverfile
[01:14] <GammaRay> ircbot_: say you are now homeless and the bag lady won't let go of you
[01:15] <ircbot_> haha
[01:15] <ircbot_> i'm homeless with a lappy
[01:15] <benplaut> hmm, thinking torwards a Tungsten C
[01:15] <Earthen> thanks
[01:15] <GammaRay> icebalm: it's been done
[01:15] <dockane> Anlar, i wonder that that these delay does not exist for ide systems where i installed ubuntu. maybe its just a small switch i have to use
[01:15] <yoner> anyone else out there try the live CD on a PPC Mac? It worked great on an old G3 PowerBook (and on this lame PII)
[01:15] <Anlar> C is nice as well but imho it's not as ergonomic
[01:15] <vessuvius81> I got it to work... I had a wrong character in my config :-/
[01:16] <Anlar> dockane: as the adapter has been found it most likely probes all the mtus or something like that..
[01:16] <GammaRay> Anlar: now let me quote you out of context in ##c
[01:17] <dr_willis> :)
[01:18] <Anlar> quoting is always fun. remember though that I own perhaps the copyright for what I have said if it is something original in the context and showing me in bad light with it is illegal. but I like the money.
[01:18] <benplaut> Anlar: I'll keep that in mind... i think i want a keyboard, so it's between that and... (dunno)
[01:18] <Jimmothy> bash: import: command not found
[01:18] <GammaRay> nickrud: don't be lazy like *some* *people*... use a dictionary (-;
[01:18] <benplaut> i think one Clie has a keyboard
[01:18] <Jimmothy> how do i take a screenshot from terminal without import?
[01:18] <ircbot_> why without import?
[01:18] <nickrud> dict awe, see debian :)
[01:18] <Anlar> benplaut: I learnt the screen typing really fast. it's quite handy actually. and T3/5's on-screen-keyboard is quite big actually too if you enable it.
[01:18] <emokid> i doubt if u can do that
[01:19] <nickrud> GammaRay, sorry, bad joke, let me off this time :)
[01:20] <Marble2> Is there a good standalone application that can mass edit id3 tags (getting album info from freedb would be a plus too...)?
[01:20] <busfahrer> Holy cow... is there any drawback to the free CD shipping?
[01:20] <nickrud> Marble2, I use easytag
[01:20] <GammaRay> Marble2: easytag
[01:20] <Marble2> I'm trying easytag right now and I don't like it very well
[01:20] <djm62> busfahrer: none whatsoever
[01:21] <ircbot_> they seemed to not allow ssh connections from here... punks
[01:21] <busfahrer> djm62: Are they crazy? :-D
[01:21] <nickrud> Marble2, the interface kinda sucks, but it does it all
[01:21] <ircbot_> hmmm wonder about vnc
[01:21] <djm62> busfahrer: everyone that looks around at the world, then decides to make things /better/ is crazy
[01:21] <busfahrer> djm62: Since when do they offer this?
[01:22] <djm62> busfahrer: don't know...as long as I've been aware of ubuntu
[01:22] <andrewski> crimsun: mind pasting the list of packages i'd need to downgrade again?  my kernel version was downgraded, but i couldn't start X because the X module was still 7174.
[01:22] <nickrud> busfahrer, since before I knew how to spell it :)
[01:23] <GammaRay> now where is the pda that is thumb operated and has speech recognition..
[01:23] <nickrud> around the corner?
[01:24] <djm62> GammaRay: ipaq running linux
[01:24] <ircbot_> default port for vnc is 5900 right?
[01:25] <nickrud> djm62, really?
[01:25] <djm62> nickrud: have one myself...including X
[01:25] <jacobnix> someone knows how to set external projector to ubuntu PPC
[01:26] <jacobnix> GammaRay: Blind Guardian!!!!!
[01:26] <GammaRay> jacobnix: meh
[01:27] <GammaRay> djm62: so you could navigate to the address book using one thumb and distate the contents of an entry?
[01:27] <GammaRay> s/distate/dictate/
[01:28] <jacobnix> GammaRay:Shadow Gallery, Ayreon, Dream Theater, Queensryche, Timmo Tolki, Avantasia, Trasatlantic,
[01:28] <gordonjcp> can anyone tell me how to burn an ISO to CD in Ubuntu?
[01:28] <GammaRay> can't stand Dream Theater.. Like Queensryche and Avantasia though
[01:29] <gordonjcp> I keep getting the following error:
[01:29] <gordonjcp> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
[01:29] <GammaRay> indifferent to Trasatlantic and Timmo Tolki
[01:29] <martin> JUST A LITTLE POLL: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:29] <ells> is anyone having any issues connecting to LimeWire
[01:29] <GammaRay> never heard or just don't remember the rest (not a good sigh)
[01:30] <jaco^> martin ubuntu of course
[01:30] <dr_willis> martin,  i install ubuntu, then intalled the kubuntu packages.
[01:30] <nickrud> I must be old, I only recognized Queensryche, and can't name a song :)
[01:30] <jacobnix> Gammray:uhmmmm :-),
[01:30] <ircbot_> woohoo got my vnc working
[01:30] <ells> is anyone having any issues connecting to LimeWire
[01:30] <Anlar> ells: ask the fbi
[01:31] <ells> Anlar: the fbi?
[01:31] <andrewski> has anyone else successfully downgraded to nvidia 6111?
[01:31] <dr_willis> 'to limewire' - well isent limewire a gnutella client?
[01:31] <GammaRay> nickrud: I'd have to look to name a song myself
[01:31] <dcraven> Ubuntu here.
[01:31] <jacobnix> Gammaray: Deicide, Dimmu Borgir, The Gathering, Tiamat, Unleashed, Morgoth, Impaled Nazarene,
[01:31] <nickrud> gimme indigo girls
[01:32] <GammaRay> woah.. not a one rings a bell there
[01:32] <dcraven> dr_willis, it's a Gnutella client? I didn't know that.
[01:32] <jacobnix> Gammray: Pink Floyd or Syd Barret
[01:32] <nickrud> martin, ubuntu
[01:32] <dr_willis> dcraven,  Im pretty sure it is - its not useing its own special network
[01:32] <gordonjcp> has anyone ever successfully got help from #ubuntu?
[01:32] <dcraven> dr_willis, yeah you may be right.
[01:32] <GammaRay> jacobnix: always kinda liked pink floyd after the nutty guy left :-P
[01:33] <dcraven> gordonjcp, not like that they haven't.
[01:33] <GammaRay> nickrud: tears for fears here as long as were are cutting against the grain
[01:33] <dr_willis> dcraven,  http://www.gnutelliums.com/
[01:33] <jacobnix> Gammaray: http://jacob.blogsome.com
[01:33] <nickrud> GammaRay, I can live with that, and how about psychedelic furs?
[01:34] <GammaRay> nickrud: great band
[01:34] <nickrud> and, my old standby when I'm feeling down, London Calling
[01:34] <optikal> I just installed 'linux-image-686-smp' package for my Dual P3/600 box.. is it accurate that if I cat /proc/cpuinfo it only says '1' under Processors?
[01:34] <jacobnix> Gammray: which band?
[01:34] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know a way to run Windows programs in Ubuntu?  I want to be able to use Dreamweaver, Flash and Fireworks MX
[01:34] <gordonjcp> well, I can't get this working, and I can't get any sense from the channel
[01:34] <dcraven> dr_willis, right you are! And that site made a popup in Firefox.. That's discouraging.
[01:34] <gordonjcp> SeeleyUSMC: wine
[01:34] <ircbot_> SeeleyUSMC: you can use wine
[01:34] <optikal> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.winehq.com
[01:35] <dr_willis> SeeleyUSMC,  'cedega' 'wine' or similer.
[01:35] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, you may be able to get some working with wine
[01:35] <GammaRay> jacobnix: the psychedelic firs
[01:35] <ircbot_> cedega costs money though
[01:35] <djm62> damn hippies
[01:35] <dr_willis> dcraven,  Hmm -  i dident get any popup in my firefox.  So do I.
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[01:36] <dr_willis> UnLoOpY,  but are they not - NOW documented?
[01:36] <dr_willis> :P
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[01:38] <decaf> optikal: it should be
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[01:39] <optikal> decaf: okay, how can i display what kernel im running under? =)
[01:39] <decaf> 2.6.11-1-k7
[01:39] <sebix> Hi, is there a way to prevent rythmbox from discovering the title/artists from the directories I want to import in my library ? Because the one he doesn't find out, he puts them into an "unknown artists" directory...
[01:39] <BigRob> What happen to ndiswrapper I swear it use to be in the apt-get now it gone but the module is installed which is wierd
[01:39] <decaf> optikal: that is mine. try uname -a
[01:39] <jacobnix> Gammray: London?
[01:39] <GammaRay> jacobnix: nah.. try again :-D
[01:39] <BigRob> sebix, rythmbox goes by the MP3 tag
[01:40] <optikal> 2.6.10-5-686-smp..
[01:40] <optikal> And it does detect both processors in bios and upon post.
[01:40] <GammaRay> BigRob: would be nice if it had an option to follow a file format
[01:40] <jacobnix> Gammaray: AbbeRoad Studios?
[01:40] <BigRob> also does anyone know where I can get a deb package of of Netapplet aka Network Manger (redhats name)
[01:40] <SQL_Sam> how do you use apt-get chache?
[01:40] <optikal> decaf: any idea what i can check from here? or maybe a document to read up on this?
[01:41] <ircbot_> you'd think stressing to someone to not be late... they wouldn't be late
[01:41] <ircbot_> she's really lucky i paid for 2 hours of internet
[01:41] <sebix> BigRob, rythmbox also fails on .ogg subdirs...
[01:41] <GammaRay> sebix: the way I cope is to fill in the id3 tags w/ easytag.. it can create them based on a file name format
[01:41] <GammaRay> jacobnix: way off
[01:41] <^vir^> tbird, use this mirror for e17
[01:41] <decaf> optikal: you should see two same stanzas in /proc/cpuinfo now
[01:41] <^vir^> deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/
[01:41] <sebix> GammaRay, oh, I need to look at easytag, then
[01:41] <BigRob> sebix, to my knowledge rythmbox does not go based on directoris oggs have file tags also
[01:42] <nickrud> BigRob, it's called netapplet in ubuntu also
[01:42] <^vir^> brb
[01:42] <decaf> optikal: one for "processor 0" and one for "processor 1"
[01:42] <BigRob> nickrud i did not see it in synaptic
[01:42] <ircbot_> okay in /proc/cpuinfo should it have the speed of my cpu on the cpu mhz line?
[01:43] <nickrud> BigRob, it's in the universe repository. Have you done
[01:43] <optikal> decaf: wow.. i feel like a idiot now.. its actually displaying both procs, first proc is Processor: 0, but when it display it, my window is sized perfectly so that i cannot even see 1 line from the first processors info output.
[01:43] <jacobnix> GammaRay: doy you now where pink floyd makes tour?
[01:43] <optikal> decaf: thanks for the help tho. =)
[01:44] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:44] <GammaRay> jacobnix: I think they play the wax museum
[01:44] <decaf> optikal: yw. many things start from 0 at unix and C
[01:44] <BigRob> nicrud i enabled universe repository
[01:44] <jacobnix> Gammaray: when?
[01:44] <jacobnix> gammray: im from mexico?
[01:44] <optikal> decaf: If you dont mind, one more real fast question.. whats the best cpu load monitoring tool for dual proc? is gdesklets suitable?
[01:45] <optikal> decaf: yeah, thats why i feel like an idiot as well.. i should have realized that fact.
[01:45] <BigRob> nicrud I am not using the 5.0 release I am using warty or what ever they are calling it as Debian right now is having issues with my laptop
[01:45] <nickrud> BigRob, ;( it's in hoary
[01:45] <^vir^> got e17 to work
[01:45] <^vir^> :D
[01:46] <nickrud> ^vir^, I looked at that link earlier it does work?
[01:46] <GammaRay> jacobnix: don't mean to get your hopes up but.. I was making light of the fact that they are all old timers now
[01:46] <^vir^> yeah it does
[01:46] <nickrud> is the package gpg signed by someone?
[01:46] <decaf> optikal: :)). I personally dont trust eye candy apps. therefore I dont recommend gdesklets for monitoring. but you should try.
[01:47] <GammaRay> jacobnix: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/reflections/images/ref0028s.jpg
[01:47] <jacobnix> gammaray: whattttt?
[01:47] <^vir^> nah it ain't nickrud
[01:47] <^vir^> not that i know of
[01:47] <BigRob> what I cant figure out is what ubuntu is working and Sarge is not
[01:47] <ircbot_> shit GammaRay that's creepy
[01:48] <dockane> i would like to run bashmark, a small benchmark. there is an ebuild for gentoo and the sources. how do i compile them ? (.cpp and .hpp files)
[01:48] <ircbot_> really creepy
[01:48] <optikal> decaf: i just like a visual based graphs of current and previous loads.. and it provides that, so.. i dont know of a better one.  what cpu load monitor do you recommend?
[01:48] <jacobnix> gamma: whats mean?
[01:49] <jacobnix> gammaray: the pics in tose url
[01:49] <ndlong1> hallo, can some one give idea on how ubuntu is better than debian ? i wanna try ubuntu !
[01:49] <qkslvrwolf_> you could tyr the live cd ndlong
[01:49] <dr_willis> ndlong1,  it has cooler people in the #ubuntu channel.
[01:49] <ircbot_> ndlong1: updated packages
[01:50] <GammaRay> jacobnix: wax heads I assume from a wax museum
[01:50] <nickrud> ndlong1, ubuntu is not better, ju^W see dr_willis
[01:50] <ircbot_> GammaRay: creepy heads from a creepy museum
[01:50] <GammaRay> jacobnix: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/w/w0063500.html
[01:51] <^vir^> nickrud, thats the link i found a e17 deb resp on
[01:51] <ndlong1> do we have more stable packages and easy to update than in Debian ?
[01:51] <nickrud> ^vir^, yeah, but I don't know who the guy is, and I need to know :)
[01:52] <SeeleyUSMC> So if I use Wine, I can run programs I have installed on my Windows partitions?
[01:52] <GammaRay> depends on the app
[01:52] <^vir^> nickrud, ask in #e for some deb sources i'm sure they will help
[01:53] <nickrud> ^vir^, not a bad suggestion, asking if they know the guy.
[01:53] <GammaRay> and if you run ntfs, running apps located on the windows fs is not likely to work
[01:53] <GammaRay> but it's been a long time since I last used wine...
[01:54] <optikal> GammaRay: moreso if the application needs to use the windows registry, or write to the ntfs partition
[01:54] <dr_willis> you normally want to use wine and 'reinstll' all the applcations to your linux system and just transfer the data to/from some windows/fat32 partition.
[01:54] <GammaRay> windows apps usually need to write to their installed dirs and ntfs is ro
[01:54] <optikal> hehe
[01:54] <nickrud> the only win app that ever mattered to me wouldn't work in wine or qemu
[01:54] <optikal> nickrud: whats that
[01:54] <dr_willis> sol.exe
[01:54] <dr_willis> :P
[01:54] <GammaRay> optikal: well 2 is better than 1
[01:54] <nickrud> Thomas Guide to California
[01:55] <nickrud> optikal, ^^
[01:55] <^vir^> GammaRay, ntfs is ro if you use the kernel driver for ntfs partions
[01:55] <optikal> which mostly everyone does
[01:55] <optikal> but good point
[01:56] <GammaRay> yea.. ironically you can use wine to write to ntfs
[01:56] <timello> hey all! which package need I to install to heard a music only passing the mouse on the icon?
[01:56] <^vir^> you can make ntfs read & write using paragon ntfs & i forgot the other way
[01:56] <decaf> but we have some better solutions, 'captive' is one of them
[01:56] <timello> to listen I mean
[01:56] <dr_willis> are the alternative ways like 'captive' really safe however?
[01:56] <frank__> GammaRay, really wo write on ntfs? I'm not so sure, never heard of that
[01:57] <^vir^> captive isn't as good as paragon ntfs
[01:57] <SeeleyUSMC> I have windows on a FAT so I can write to it
[01:57] <GammaRay> dr_willis: captive that dr_willis mentioned uses wine
[01:57] <GammaRay> err oops
[01:57] <frank__> dr_willis, apparently captive works but not with a x86_64 kernel
[01:57] <nickrud> optikal, it installs fine to qemu, but fails on the cd, both direct and as a loop device
[01:57] <dockane> which packet contains g++ ?
[01:57] <optikal> nickrud: refresh me, whats sol.exe?
[01:58] <dr_willis> its still safest - to reinstall the apps with wine. and transfer data. :O it'd would really SUCK if wine some how trashed your windows drive.
[01:58] <dr_willis> sol.exe = the windows solitare game.
[01:58] <decaf> dr_willis: works for me, but I don't have any important data on ntfs partition.so dont care
[01:58] <optikal> ooh.. hehe jes.. thats right.
[01:58] <nickrud> wrong guy, that was dr_willis for sol.exe, I want the Thomas Guide
[01:58] <dr_willis> :)
[01:58] <optikal> =P
[01:59] <timello> Dr_Acemaster, which package need I to install to listen music only passing the mouse on the icon (Gnome)?  Want to ask in #e
[02:06] <^vir^> sure
[02:06] <nickrud> thk
[02:08] <^vir^> nickrud, http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
[02:09] <nickrud> thanks ^vir^
[02:09] <^vir^> no prob
[02:12] <nickrud> ^vir^, this wasn't the link I remember, this one I think I can trust :)
[02:15] <^vir^> the link i first showed was off of that page which i found using google :)
[02:18] <revelater> hey, for some reason synaptic isn't letting me change the repositorys
[02:19] <revelater> anyone know why?
[02:19] <revelater> ???
[02:20] <revelater> ????????????
[02:20] <GatsuB> hello
[02:20] <revelater> hi
[02:20] <GatsuB> can i ask a question?
[02:21] <revelater> we seem to be the only people alive here... i will help if i can
[02:21] <nickrud> anytime, we just don't promise to have the answers :)
[02:21] <GatsuB> i have mounted a fat32 fs with this line in fstab: /dev/hda5	/mnt/caska	vfat    rw,umask=0   0       0
[02:21] <fejaor> I have problems trying to install the plug in from HOWTO: Embed PDFs with Evince in Mozilla/Firefox
[02:21] <rodrigo_-_22> hi. i need to do a full backup of my home directory on a remote server, but i don't have enough space left on my hd to create a tar file and then upload it to the remote server. is there any tool i can use to make the remote backup without creating a huge file on my computer?
[02:21] <fejaor> I have this message
[02:22] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:/etc$ sudo gedit /etc/mozpluggerrc
[02:22] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:22] <fejaor> anyone?
[02:22] <mainer> rodrigo: use rsync or ftp
[02:22] <optikal> fejaor: man chmod
[02:23] <GatsuB> the partition is not writeable
[02:23] <GatsuB> only read
[02:23] <fejaor> need the exact command
[02:24] <revelater> fejaor: just: sudo chmod 0440 /directory/to/file
[02:24] <optikal> fejaor: it'll do you better to read up.. dont be scared to learn what your doing
[02:24] <nickrud> fejaor, one more total freebie: chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[02:25] <nickrud> and I hope no one needs to correct me :)
[02:25] <revelater> nickrud: any reason why synaptic wouldn't feel like recording a change of repositories?
[02:25] <nickrud> that's a wierd one
[02:25] <nickrud> how about starting with an ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:25] <revelater> nickrud: your telling me... is tehre a max number of repos?
[02:25] <nickrud> revelater, no, no limits
[02:26] <fejaor> It didn't allowed me to do that change...
[02:26] <revelater> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1089 2005-04-23 17:18 /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <optikal> fejaor: try sudo or su.
[02:26] <optikal> fejaor: you need to run it as root
[02:27] <nickrud> fejaor, anything that is done outside of /home/<your user name> must be preceeded by sudo
[02:27] <brundleFly> howdy
[02:27] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:27] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:27] <fejaor> that's what I goy
[02:27] <fejaor> got
[02:27] <optikal> fejaor: do you know how to su or sudo?
[02:27] <nickrud> revelater, do you mind private chat so we don't get in these other guys way?
[02:27] <fejaor> that's after sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[02:28] <revelater> nickrud, hmm, ok but how?
[02:28] <revelater> nickrud: i am new to this command line chat thing...
[02:28] <fejaor> yes and I did it....
[02:29] <nickrud> revelater, I don't have a clue about command line chat, I use xchat :)
[02:29] <optikal> fejaor: paste from your first error to your current prompt at a PASTE BIN site only, not in channel
[02:29] <revelater> nickrud.... k so should we make our own chatroom or what?
[02:29] <fejaor> website?
[02:29] <nickrud> yeah, and would some kind soul take pity on us and tell us the command?
[02:30] <optikal> revelater: what client?
[02:30] <optikal> fejaor: http://paste.anitox.org
[02:30] <revelater> irssi
[02:30] <optikal> i believe its alt+1 alt+2 alt+3
[02:30] <optikal> or /window 1, /window 2 /window 3
[02:30] <revelater> optikal, for private chatting?
[02:31] <limer> anyone have a suggestion for good variant of mame for ubuntu?
[02:31] <thegreedyturtle> limer: what are you using it for?
[02:31] <limer> sfa3
[02:31] <optikal> revelater: to switch between your status screen (1) your first channel joined (2) and so forth.  for example, if you joined 1 channel and had 1 pm convo, and you joined the channel before the pm convo started, 1 would be status 2 would be channel and 3 would be pm convo for that specific nick
[02:31] <thegreedyturtle> expand plz
[02:32] <limer> street fighter alpha 3
[02:32] <fejaor> done optikal
[02:32] <optikal> give me the link of it now
[02:32] <limer> I know of xmame, just didn't know if ppl thought gmame or whatever may be better
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> heh, well in a twist of irony, you've got ubuntu, which stands for 'humanity to others' and you are trying to merge it succesfully with 'street fighter'
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> it can be done, but you'll need some ingenuity!
[02:33] <limer> yes, true.  my fist will unify with their face.  I don't see the problem
[02:33] <Jimmothy> anyone know how to take a screenshot with the terminal in ubuntu? import doesn't work
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> hahah
[02:33] <limer> :P
[02:34] <thegreedyturtle> i wonder if there's a word for 'humanity for some, asswhoop for others'
[02:34] <limer> another oxymoron might be "Ubuntu kicks ass!"
[02:34] <thegreedyturtle> or maybe 'inhumanity for all'
[02:34] <limer> which it most certainly does
[02:34] <optikal> fejaor: okay, you have to login with su to chmod sudoers from 777 to 440
[02:35] <thegreedyturtle> the easy choice would be 'street fighter ubuntu 3'
[02:35] <fejaor> from the root terminal?
[02:35] <Levander> When I'm at the grub menu during boot, how do I get to the grub prompt?
[02:35] <optikal> fejaor: have you setup a password yet for root?
[02:35] <limer> If Ken and Ryu used linux (which I think we all know they do) . . . it would be ubuntu
[02:35] <limer> maybe M. Bison would be the odd Windoze world domination guy
[02:35] <optikal> Thats got to be the gayest thing i've ever heard.
[02:36] <gfxstyler> Levander: escape?
[02:36] <fejaor> what do you mean?
[02:36] <Levander> gfxstyler: okay, I'm about to try it!
[02:36] <Levander> gotta reboot from the live cd...
[02:36] <thegreedyturtle> Guile would use Fedora, Ken and Ryu would use Debian, and Chun-Li would use Ubuntu
[02:36] <thegreedyturtle> lesse, Suse is european so...
[02:37] <limer> so long as she does a spread for a wall, I'd be happy
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> XD
[02:37] <gfxstyler> Levander: i dont know if livecd has a grub menu, but with hd install there is a "press ESC for blablabla"
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> one of those downward 'holding hands in a circle' shots
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> you know, someone could make some hilarious fan art with that theme
[02:37] <limer> sure, she should join with Cammy or maybe the DOA girls
[02:37] <fejaor> how can I do that change from 777 to 440??
[02:38] <optikal> fejaor: type 'sudo passwd root' and then if sudo asks for your password, enters yours.. then when asked for another password (and verifiy) type in a different, preferably a different password than your user account (security purposes).  once you so that, type su, then enter the password you created in the previous step.  then type your chmod command as you have stated in the pastebin.
[02:38] <yoner> is anyone here using Ubuntu for server applications (e.g. web, file, database)?
[02:38] <thegreedyturtle> does anyone know if there's a graphical clipboard tool for gnome-clipboard-daemon (similar to Klipper?)
[02:38] <gfxstyler> fejaor: open a terminal and type sudo chmod 440 where you want it
[02:39] <Levander> gfxstyler: i was booted in the live cd, had to reboot back into my regular system.  But, yeah, apparently the menu tells you to hit 'c' to get to a prompt
[02:39] <fejaor> optikal.....I typed sudo passwd root and the same message appeared
[02:40] <optikal> er yeah.
[02:40] <optikal> type su<enter>
[02:40] <gfxstyler> fejaor: i guess u dont need to give su a passwd, why not use sudo?
[02:41] <limer> xclipboard?
[02:41] <optikal> gfxstyler: he cannot use sudo because sudoers is 777, and if its 777 no one can sudo
[02:41] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo chmod 440 /etc/sudoers
[02:41] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:41] <optikal> type su<enter>
[02:41] <gfxstyler> optikal: didnt know what he wants to to with chmod
[02:41] <limer> thegreedyturtle: apropos clip    = xclipboard
[02:42] <optikal> fejaor: what does 'su' return? a password prompt or ?
[02:42] <thegreedyturtle> limer: what is apropos?
[02:42] <nickrud> revelater, did you flood that private chat :)
[02:42] <limer> searches the first line of man pages for whatever your search string is
[02:42] <limer> man apropos
[02:42] <fejaor> password prompt
[02:42] <nickrud> first time I've been kicked
[02:43] <jubei> Hello. Does anyone here know anything about evdev mouse input?
[02:43] <optikal> fejaor: enter your root password
[02:43] <gfxstyler> anyone knows how long the hoary cds will take to get shipped to me? i ordered them a few weeks ago .. too bad
[02:43] <fejaor> su: Authentication failure
[02:43] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:43] <fejaor> after entering the password
[02:43] <optikal> fejaor: fejaor wrong password.  try the other one or type it correctly
[02:43] <optikal> -*fejahor
[02:44] <fejaor> i tried the only pass I have
[02:44] <fejaor> :S
[02:44] <optikal> whos the system administrator of this box?
[02:45] <fejaor> I am
[02:45] <jg> gfxstyler: bittorrent is your friend...
[02:45] <revelater> knickrud, no i posted in #flood
[02:45] <lunitik> fejaor: where and how did you get the prompt?
[02:45] <revelater> nickrun...
[02:45] <revelater> nickrud
[02:45] <revelater> fingers will not work today
[02:45] <nickrud> revelater, ok, I got disconnected for some reason, but I'm baaack
[02:45] <fejaor> -*lunitik: trying to type su
[02:45] <gfxstyler> jg: no thats not the point, i want a nice cd :) i already loaded it via net
[02:45] <lunitik> fejaor: type 'sudo'
[02:46] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo
[02:46] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:46] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: 'sudo -i' is the same as 'su -'
[02:46] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo -i
[02:46] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:46] <revelater> nickrud, well, problem not solved, but i got a workaround that should do the same thing, i just manually added the line i needed
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: yeah... thats bad
[02:46] <optikal> hehe yah
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: although there is no reason it would have those perms
[02:47] <nickrud> what works, works.
[02:47] <lunitik> nickrud: but its not working...
[02:47] <fejaor> :S
[02:47] <nickrud> lunitik, yes it is, it's just too dark.
[02:47] <XTCboarder> has anybody tried F4L?
[02:48] <lunitik> nickrud: wtf are you talking about?
[02:48] <nickrud> lunitik, sorry, I think we're talking about different things
[02:48] <fejaor> any solution??
[02:49] <nickrud> fejaor, have you edited /etc/sudoers?
[02:50] <fejaor> yes
[02:50] <nickrud> that's a no no, unless you use visudoers
[02:51] <fejaor> to install firestarter
[02:52] <Marble2> crap. I just removed the trash Icon from the bottom right of my desktop. How do I get it back
[02:54] <Marble2> anyone?
[02:54] <atool> right click on menubar
[02:54] <atool> choose add to panel
[02:55] <atool> then scroll down to the trash applet
[02:55] <Marble2> that only works for the one at the to
[02:55] <Marble2> *top
[02:55] <Marble2> I mean bottom right corner.
[02:55] <atool> ?
[02:56] <Marble2> nvm, that worked
[02:56] <Marble2> thanks
[02:56] <atool> you can't move it to the bottom?
[02:56] <Marble2> yea, I moved it
[02:56] <atool> :)
[02:56] <Marble2> okay, now why did 2 little drive icons just show up on my desktop?
[02:57] <atool> dunno
[02:57] <fevel> can someone help me to share files
[02:57] <bigmatt> has anybody gotten cvscedega to work properly?
[02:57] <nickrud> A question: if sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers comes back with sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440 and there is no root account, is a recovery possilbe?
[02:57] <fevel> i pinged my connection and its fine
[02:58] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know where the doc_root is defaultly for apache web server in ubuntu?
[02:59] <atool> does "locate html | grep apache" give you any ideas?
[02:59] <abiertos> hello
[02:59] <abiertos> my name is Ernesto
[02:59] <abiertos> I have a problem
[03:00] <abiertos> I lost my root password
[03:00] <abiertos> and Im not in a sudoers group
[03:00] <lunitik> abiertos: restart, boot into 'rescue mode' and add yourself
[03:00] <Marble2>  I have 2 icons on my desktop that point to drive's that I have mounted, they just randomly showed up, how do I remove them? In the right click menu, move to trash is whited out
[03:00] <abiertos> I need to now how I can to recovery my root password without install again
[03:00] <struggler> Hi, I'm using the default kernel <IP_ADDRESS> on Hoary. Would someone please tell me how to turn on NLS?
[03:01] <lunitik> Marble2: eject the media
[03:01] <lunitik> Marble2: or take away that function from g-v-m
[03:01] <Marble2> g-v-m ?
[03:01] <abiertos> I don't need to be a root?
[03:01] <lunitik> gnome-volume-manager
[03:01] <Marble2> well it's always been mounted before without the icons showing up
[03:01] <lunitik> abiertos: to do that, no
[03:01] <abiertos> ok
[03:01] <lunitik> abiertos: rescue mode is single user
[03:02] <abiertos> I need the ubuntu cd
[03:02] <lunitik> Marble2: in gnome 2.10?
[03:02] <abiertos> for to do that?
[03:02] <lunitik> abiertos: just do what I told you
[03:02] <Marble2> mm
[03:02] <Marble2> greg@Greg:~ $ /usr/bin/gdm --version
[03:02] <Marble2> GDM <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:02] <stuNNed> is there a way to have gnome on f7 and kde on f8?
[03:02] <stuNNed> w/out gdm?
[03:02] <stuNNed> or kdm for that matter?
[03:02] <atool> abiertos, i think it's one of the grub boot options
[03:03] <abiertos> I just restart in rescue mode and nothing more
[03:03] <dr_willis> you can start several X sessions if you want and make them run eithe rone..
[03:03] <abiertos> ok
[03:03] <lunitik> atool: it is
[03:03] <abiertos> Im gonna do that now
[03:03] <abiertos> bye
[03:03] <struggler> Anyone know how to turn on NLS in Hoary?
[03:03] <dr_willis> or you could use vnc and have  a desktop in a 'window' or use the xnest for similer feature
[03:03] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:04] <struggler> Anyone who would be willing to share.
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> just out of curiousity...what is nls?
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> and how do I change my bleeding color in xchat?
[03:05] <struggler> Internationalization support
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> ahh, ok
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> thanks.  sorry I can't help
[03:05] <struggler> thanks anyway
[03:05] <lunitik> struggler: what language do you need?
[03:06] <struggler> I have the default locales.
[03:06] <lunitik> struggler: thats not what I asked
[03:06] <Agrajag> qkslvrwolf_: setting>preferences>colors
[03:06] <struggler> I disabled it originally
[03:06] <struggler> and now need to turn it back on
[03:06] <lunitik> struggler: cool... answer my question
[03:06] <struggler> to do some testing
[03:06] <struggler> German
[03:07] <lunitik> struggler: apt-get install language-support-de lang-pack-de
[03:07] <struggler> thank you
[03:08] <lunitik> struggler: apt-get install language-support-de language-pack-de
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> test
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> hrm
[03:08] <struggler> lunitik: thank you very much
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> test
[03:08] <karljp> how come debian apt-repos have subversion 1.1.4 and ubuntu hoary main only has 1.1.1?
[03:09] <abiertos> hello it's me again
[03:09] <abiertos> Lunitik
[03:09] <nickrud> karljp, cuz ubuntu is frozen :)
[03:09] <abiertos> I done like you told me
[03:09] <karljp> frozen two weeks ago though
[03:09] <karljp> ok, I guess svn could have made three releases this month :)
[03:10] <abiertos> the system beg me the root password
[03:10] <abiertos> for maintenance
[03:10] <lunitik> abiertos: followed correct format? 'abiertos ALL [ALL] '?
[03:10] <abiertos> ?
[03:10] <qkslvrwolf_> check
[03:10] <nickrud> karljp, probably not, more likely  ubuntu just fell behind :)
[03:10] <lunitik> abiertos: then you didn't do what I told you...
[03:10] <abiertos> what the hell is that
[03:10] <lunitik> it doesn't prompt for a password in rescue mode
[03:11] <abiertos> where I have to put that?
[03:11] <lunitik> abiertos: how did you do what I told you ... and not know how 5 mins later?
[03:11] <abiertos> remember that I don't have permission for that file
[03:12] <lunitik> abiertos: in single user... you are root... so you have perms
[03:12] <abiertos> I have to edit the kernel image before the grub loads
[03:12] <abiertos> ?
[03:12] <Dnatas> I just inserted my ps2 mouse and for whatever reason X can't find it this is going from having a usb mouse to using a ps2 one..
[03:12] <Dnatas> do I need a module installed?
[03:12] <Dnatas> even after a reboot it isn't working although it works in windows..
[03:13] <abiertos> and where is written 'ro quiet single'
[03:13] <abiertos> put abiertos ALL [ALL]
[03:13] <nickrud> Dnatas, your xorg.conf needs to be redone.
[03:13] <abiertos> and lunitik?
[03:13] <lunitik> abiertos: ffs... when it says 'press ESC when prompted' do it... select rescue mode ... and hit enter... then vi /etc/sudoers ... add 'abiertos ALL [ALL] ' to that file... save via :wq! ,,, reboot
[03:14] <abiertos> ok
[03:14] <abiertos> I know that
[03:14] <abiertos> I have other question
[03:14] <SeeleyUSMC> Are there any good PHP IDE's out there?
[03:14] <abiertos> ?
[03:15] <atool> ecplise probably has some php plugins
[03:15] <abiertos> how you know that the user abiertos is the default system user of my system?
[03:15] <nickrud> when you get to the login screen, hit ctl alt F1, login, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, hit ctl alt f7, and try again
[03:15] <lunitik> abiertos: /whois abiertos   :/
[03:16] <abiertos> ok
[03:16] <abiertos> can you hack me and change my root password?
[03:16] <abiertos> for me
[03:16] <abiertos> ?
[03:16] <Agrajag> ahahahahhaha
[03:16] <lunitik> actually, I was just guessing though... doesn't matter what the user is... put the right user
[03:16] <atool> hehe
[03:16] <abiertos> ok
[03:16] <nickrud> if I knew what I was doing ...
[03:16] <lunitik> abiertos: if I could... I would have... less frustrating
[03:17] <abiertos> if it fails I'll be back
[03:17] <resiak> I have a buggered-up file on my XFS / partition. Any operation upon the file (including stat) gives the useful error "Unknown error 990". Sadly, this file is part of pppeoconf, which has a new version happily wanting to replace said file, but dpkg fails since it can't touch this file. touch /forcefsck is useless, since fsck.xfs simply returns true. I need to run xfs_repair on the filesystem, but cannot since the filesystem must
[03:17] <abiertos> bye, again
[03:17] <Zugot> anyone here using lvm?
[03:17] <lunitik> morons should be shot on sight
[03:17] <nickrud> resiak, breezy?
[03:18] <LinuxJones> lunitik, what does that mean ?
[03:18] <lunitik> LinuxJones: exactly what I said
[03:18] <LinuxJones> lunitik, dude maybe he hasn't been using Linux for very long
[03:18] <resiak> nickrud: It's not a package error, it's because I had some really bad ram.  I fixed /var/lib/dpkg/available by hand, among other things.
[03:21] <nickrud> resiak, more guru than I :)
[03:21] <nickrud> I will have good thoughts for you
[03:22] <flex_> does ubuntu have a font installer?
[03:22] <lunitik> flex_: throw them in /usr/share/fonts ... or fonts://
[03:22] <GammaRay> put them in ~/.fonts
[03:23] <GoneBoB> fonts://
[03:23] <nickrud> flex_, just drop the ttf in ~/.icons, that's your installer
[03:23] <GammaRay> .icons?
[03:23] <resiak> nickrud: My current schemes involve resizing my /boot to make space for a very small partition into which I can chroot and debootstrap just enough to have an sshd and the xfs tools, whereupon I set grub to boot that next, reboot, cross fingers, be happy.
[03:23] <nickrud> GammaRay, I'm a dufe often :)
[03:24] <nickrud> resiak, I understood enough of that to just scare myself.
[03:24] <GoneBoB> nickrud: even if you can fix it, often a reinstall is faster/easier
[03:24] <GammaRay> fonts:// is nice. it has previews AFAIK
[03:24] <abiertos> lunitik
[03:24] <GammaRay> but so does any ttf AFAIK
[03:24] <abiertos> I told ya, I told ya and I told ya
[03:24] <nickrud> GammaRay, just the Aa, which sucks
[03:24] <GammaRay> GammaRay: shutup!
[03:25] <abiertos> it doesnt work
[03:25] <resiak> GoneBoB: You meant to aim that at me. No, it's not faster in this case.
[03:25] <lunitik> abiertos: you told me what? I have done that like 3 times so far with Ubuntu... don't tell me I'm wrong because you're incompetent
[03:25] <GammaRay> nickrud: there is a font viewer that shows more
[03:25] <abiertos> the system is telling me this:
[03:25] <GoneBoB> resiak: not overly, it was just a general statement
[03:25] <abiertos> "Give a root password for maintenance"
[03:26] <abiertos> I told ya
[03:26] <resiak> GoneBoB: Fair enough.
[03:26] <abiertos> what can I do now
[03:26] <GammaRay> and yes I did just tell myself to shut it
[03:26] <abiertos> Im lost
[03:26] <GammaRay> i'm nuts
[03:26] <LinuxJones> abiertos, what are you trying to do ?
[03:26] <abiertos> I will have to install again
[03:27] <abiertos> hack my own root
[03:27] <abiertos> password
[03:27] <resiak> abiertos: init=/bin/sh
[03:27] <theBishop> is anyone running the mac version of Ubuntu?
[03:27] <LinuxJones> abiertos, leave the root account disabled and use sudo
[03:27] <GammaRay> or single user mode
[03:27] <abiertos> I put disable sudo
[03:27] <abiertos> this is the proble
[03:27] <abiertos> problem
[03:27] <resiak> abiertos: To expand on that, append init=/bin/sh to your boot line, boot up, mount your root fs rw, visudo, reboot.
[03:27] <nickrud> abiertos, listen to resiak
[03:27] <abiertos> other people use my computer
[03:28] <abiertos> I forgot my root password
[03:28] <struggler> theBishop: yes
[03:28] <LinuxJones> abiertos, re-install takes 25 minutes, don't forget your password :D
[03:28] <resiak> abiertos: Then append init=/bin/sh to your boot line, boot up, mount your root fs, run passwd, reboot
[03:28] <theBishop> struggler: i'm gonna be running it on a 500Mhz G3 iMac
[03:28] <theBishop> is the performance bad?
[03:28] <abiertos> lunitik tolds me something about restart the computer and use the single user mode but doesn't work
[03:28] <resiak> Will people please stop advocating reinstalls when fixing the problem is trivial?
[03:28] <resiak> abiertos: I just told you how to get around that.
[03:29] <struggler> lots faster than OS X or OS 9, it is reasonable on a G3/300
[03:29] <Zugot> where is lvm in hoary?
[03:29] <theBishop> the main reason i'm installing it is because OSX is a bit sluggish
[03:29] <theBishop> i wonder if i should use a KDE distro instead
[03:29] <abiertos> I had never see it that line in the kernel image
[03:29] <LinuxJones> resiak, who knows what he has done to his system ?
[03:29] <theBishop> i love Ubuntu on my PC, but Gnome tends to be slower for me
[03:29] <abiertos> where is that?
[03:29] <GammaRay> theBishop: try kubuntu
[03:29] <resiak> LinuxJones: He's forgotten his root password.
[03:30] <resiak> LinuxJones: This is the canonical way to fix that.
[03:30] <struggler> theBishop gui stuff is a little sluggish, but better than OS X, and it doesn't need as much memory
[03:30] <abiertos> I had restarted my system three times
[03:30] <resiak> abiertos: At the Grub menu, hit the key to edit the boot commands. Go to the kernel line, and append init=/bin/sh to that line
[03:30] <LinuxJones> resiak, whatever :)
[03:30] <GammaRay> however.. gtk is certainly quicker on old computers than qt imho
[03:30] <lunitik> resiak: no... what I told him is the 'canonical way' ... but apparently he can't figure out what I said... rescue mode is what he wants... it doesn't prompt for a password in hoary... this I know for a fact...
[03:30] <abiertos> I have to add that line
[03:31] <abiertos> to the kernel image
[03:31] <GammaRay> and I do mean gtk2
[03:31] <theBishop> gamma: you think so?
[03:31] <resiak> lunitik: He's _enabled_root_.
[03:31] <abiertos> ?
[03:31] <lunitik> resiak: then it is certainly not the canonical way.... but uhh... since when did you need a password for single user?
[03:31] <resiak> lunitik: Since he gave root a password.
[03:32] <GammaRay> theBishop: It not by much but try running opera (plain QT) and compare it to gtk2 apps on a k6 266.
[03:32] <resiak> lunitik: That's what happens all the time on Debian -- I presume that on Ubuntu once you give root a password the same applies. I've never done it myself. Anyway, init=/bin/sh is the canonical way to evade a forgotten root password, which is the situation here.
[03:32] <lunitik> resiak: single user on a Debian system doesn't need a root password  :/
[03:32] <resiak> lunitik: You're 100% wrong.
[03:32] <wjesusaxl> guys help me with this little matter
[03:33] <lunitik> resiak: ok... my bad... I only ran Debian for 4 years... what do I know  :/
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> root@wjesusaxllap:/home/wjesusaxl # mount compu:/mnt/win2003 /mnt/disk1
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> ount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:33] <resiak> lunitik: *shrug* All I know is that single _definitely_ requires the root password on Debian.
[03:33] <abiertos> if you don't know I understand I finding my Ubuntu install CD
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:34] <resiak> abiertos: I didn't see you address me. Please prefix what you say to me with my name so I can see it.
[03:34] <wjesusaxl> any help with this : mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:34] <abiertos> you want my ip
[03:34] <resiak> abiertos: Of course not.
[03:34] <abiertos> and what you want?
[03:35] <resiak> abiertos: You have to reboot, then press the appropriate key to edit the boot commands (it says at the bottom of the screen). Then add init=/bin/sh to the kernel line, then press b to boot. You can then mount your root fs read-write, and use passwd to change your password.
[03:35] <abiertos> my email?
[03:35] <resiak> abiertos: Try reading what I tell you.
[03:35] <karljp> he wants you to say resiak: stuff
[03:35] <karljp> not just stuff
[03:35] <abiertos> ok
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> how can i tell whats using my net conection?
[03:35] <abiertos> I got it
[03:35] <karljp> abie: I take it you don't use english as a first language?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> Kamping_Kaiser, you mean what services your running ?
[03:36] <abiertos> I just to add that to the kernel image and I have no to erase nothing
[03:36] <abiertos> ?
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> what services etc are using my internet connection. its just been used a lot, and i dont know wtf was using it
[03:37] <LinuxJones> Kamping_Kaiser, there are a few things you can use netstat or lsof -i will show you what services are listning on your system
[03:37] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. thanks
[03:37] <wjesusaxl> Does anybody know how to solve this problem? mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:38] <bob2> wjesusaxl: you don't need to keep asking
[03:38] <bob2> wjesusaxl: once is plenty
[03:38] <abiertos> bye
[03:38] <resiak> abiertos: I really can't make it any more straightforward, I'm afraid. You press the appropriate key to edit the boot commands. You then use the up-down arrows to move to the line starting with the word "kernel", and press e. Then add a space and "init=/bin/sh" (without quotes) to that line, and press esc. Then press b to boot the system. Now you get a root shell. Remount your / partition read-write (mount -o remount,rw /) and
[03:38] <nickrud> luck abiertos
[03:38] <abiertos> ok
[03:38] <abiertos> thanks
[03:39] <bob2> wjesusaxl: did you install portmap? search the ubuntu website? etc.
[03:39] <resiak> *sigh* I hope he gets that.
[03:39] <nickrud> good instructions, I'll remembe them :)
[03:40] <resiak> nickrud: *shrug* It's not that hard. The critical thing is remembering that you can use /bin/sh as init :)
[03:40] <nickrud> yeah, I actually knew that once, but damned if I'd remember when it counts.
[03:40] <resiak> nickrud: And _this_ is why you should set a grub password. Of course, you can just boot a livecd to evade grub, so you need a bios password too. But then you can just open the case and reset the bios password, so you need to weld your case shut :)
[03:40] <nickrud> lnx-bbc, my savior :)
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> I did it already
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> bob2: I did it already
[03:41] <resiak> What's the deal with people here not doing the whole nick: prefix thing? It's really annoying!
[03:41] <bob2> wjesusaxl: you read the documentation on ubuntu.com?
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> yah I did
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> when I restart nfs-kernel
[03:42] <nickrud> resiak, yeah, it's more conversational here, I think. You're not the first to mention it
[03:42] <wjesusaxl> it recognizes the folder which the server is exporting
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone else had the problem of sata harddrives not mounting on boot up?
[03:42] <wjesusaxl> bob2: I got some problem with the permissions
[03:43] <bob2> wjesusaxl: but you're not going to tell us what that problem is?
[03:43] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have them in /etc/fstab?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can mount them with "mount -a"
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> but they dont happen at boot
[03:44] <wjesusaxl> what do you mean? I followed what the instruction said step by step
[03:44] <eos|Amok2> where can i find a partition manager?
[03:44] <hypno> eos|Amok2: cfdisk is one
[03:45] <resiak> nickrud: It's annoying, since I was trying really hard to help out abiertos, but it was difficult when he wasn't addressing me. And I'm not watching the channel constantly (I've got my own problems to fix) so I didn't see any of his follow-up questions.
[03:45] <eos|Amok2> i need a partition manager to resize a partition but for Windows
[03:45] <eos|Amok2> if anyone knows
[03:46] <Marble2> partition magic
[03:46] <resiak> eos|Amok2: Partition Magic. Go buy. :)
[03:46] <Marble2> it's not freeware, but it's about your only choice
[03:46] <nickrud> resiak, I'm new to irc, not new to debian, though, as a user. A lot of people who come here for questions don't know >anything<
[03:46] <eos|Amok2> aww
[03:46] <eos|Amok2> i need one for free
[03:46] <bob2> sorry, you'll have to pay
[03:46] <wjesusaxl> bob2: hey.. there might be someone who had the same problem once and got a tip.. so why don't you just stop writing and let someone else help me out
[03:46] <bob2> sucks to be on a proprietary platform ;)
[03:47] <resiak> nickrud: Sure. I picked it up after like 2 minutes on IRC, though.
[03:47] <bob2> wjesusaxl: why don't you tell us the actual problem
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:47] <bob2> wjesusaxl: instead of alluding to a "permission problem"
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> that's what I got
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> that's the error message that shows up
[03:47] <super_dude2> help when i goto acsses my computer (ubuntu) the windows asks for a pass which i dont know and havent set myself
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> I don't know if it's a general problem...
[03:47] <nickrud> so did I, but I bet the guy was young, and doesn't have a lot of experience to compare against.
[03:48] <wjesusaxl> but I did install the portmap...
[03:48] <nickrud> resiak, ^^ :)
[03:48] <wjesusaxl> I did read what the instructions said..
[03:48] <resiak> nickrud: How old are you?
[03:48] <nickrud> 49 two days ago
[03:48] <resiak> nickrud: Whee, I'm under half your age :P
[03:49] <karljp> lots of people are.
[03:49] <nickrud> karljp, resiak more than half the people in the world are younger than I (and someday you'll get to say the same :)
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:50] <resiak> nickrud: I'm not saying that in a bad way, don't get me wrong. At this point I do the "joy of IRC, uniting people regardless of age" dance.
[03:50] <super_dude2> when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[03:50] <nickrud> resiak, I concur.
[03:50] <hypno> super_dude2: have you tried entering a blank password?
[03:50] <nickrud> First Irc was 1 week ago, today
[03:50] <super_dude2> yes
[03:51] <karljp> irc is l33t
[03:51] <hypno> is this with samba?
[03:51] <super_dude2> yes
[03:51] <wjesusaxl> any clue with this error message? ount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:51] <nickrud> If it matters, first debian install was may 19, 2001 :)
[03:52] <oolon> howdy just trying out kubuntu
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats before woody was released
[03:52] <super_dude2> if i do properties on the network folder thing it says that owner is root and its set so i cant use the folder from my own computer
[03:53] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but I never ran woody. woody boot floppies straight to unstable. I'm a self-flagellator
[03:54] <qkslvrwolf> whats up oolon
[03:54] <qkslvrwolf> enjoying your kubuntu?
[03:55] <oolon> it's nice so far i gotta try it with my ati card though
[03:55] <resiak> If anyone can think of a more elegant/sane way to run xfs_repair on my root partition over ssh than by debootstrapping just enough of Debian to have sshd and xfs_repair onto a spare partition then booting from that one, speak up now. :)
[03:55] <oolon> looks like they have a river for it
[03:55] <nickrud> oolon, have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ? Good place to start
[03:56] <nickrud> resiak, yeah, have the remote sysadmin do it :)
[03:56] <Levande1> Does anybody dare to run apt-get upgrade from cron?
[03:56] <nickrud> Levande1, no.
[03:57] <resiak> nickrud: I am the remote sysadmin -- I'm at uni, it's at home! :(
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:57] <nickrud> Levande1, never install updates you don't supervise
[03:57] <Levande1> Everybody does it under Windows with Window Update
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> more shame to them
[03:57] <nickrud> Levande1, ever, nuff said
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i know what you mean
[03:58] <Chipzz> nickrud: that is /your/ point of view
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: people on windows have lower standards for stability
[03:58] <nickrud> Chipzz, true
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: I'd strongly recommend not doing it from cron
[03:58] <tsume_> Levande1: always manual updates ;)
[03:58] <Chipzz> I might do it, but I run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade -y each evening myself
[03:58] <super_dude2> when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine?
[03:58] <oolon> nickrud, thanks for the link
[03:58] <Levande1> I fought running Windows Update for a long time, till I realized I never do it manually.  After I did it automatically, was like "wow, this is nice, one less thing in my head".
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: running 'apt-get -d dist-upgrade' from cron can be useful
[03:58] <tsume_> Levande1: linux isn't windows
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: so when you run 'apt-get dist-upgrade', nothing needs to download
[03:59] <bob2> super_dude2: did you tell wwindows to use the correct username?
[03:59] <nickrud> Chipzz, so you supervise the install then? gotcha
[03:59] <tsume_> Levande1: updates are not just security based, they are feature and software based
[03:59] <dan2> whats kubuntu?
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: I would strongly suggest not to run apt-get dist-upgrade -y from cron
[03:59] <Levande1> yeah, I think i'll hold off on doing it in cron for now
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: no, do NOT got me
[03:59] <Levande1> thanks guys!
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[03:59] <bob2> dan2: kde + ubuntu
[03:59] <Chipzz> and set it to mail changes to a specific account
[03:59] <super_dude2> bob2 it dosnt let me chose
[03:59] <bob2> tsume_: well, in the development version
[03:59] <nickrud> Chipzz, did the --download-only from chron for a year over dialup
[04:00] <bob2> tsume_: in stable releases, they're only for security fixes and serious serious bugs
[04:00] <flai> hi, i'm with a problem since i've installed the 2.6.11 kernel through synaptic that i can't configure my graphics card properly cause theres no cards listed on the xorgcfg utility, even editing the xorg.conf file manualy and puting there 1280x1024 it changes the file back to 1600x1200, anyone knows anything bout this ??!?!
[04:00] <bob2> flai: go back to 2.6.10
[04:00] <Chipzz> nickrud: and I don't see how supervising the upgrade will help you, apart from debconf questions...
[04:00] <bob2> flai: 2.6.11 is not supported
[04:00] <Levande1> dan2: it's ubuntu with the default desktop being kde, instead of gnome like normal ubuntu
[04:01] <nickrud> Chipzz, I'll stick with the consensus
[04:01] <flai> bob2, yes i'm in 2.6.10 now but its giving me the same error
[04:01] <Chipzz> nickrud: and debconf can be set to use the text front-end, and you can have it accept defaults
[04:01] <Levande1> is 2.6.11 in the repositories?  or did he just download that himself?
[04:01] <nickrud> Chipzz, and also, apt-get install list-bugs
[04:02] <Chipzz> nickrud: also, apt-get upgrade, contrary to apt-get dist-upgrade does NOT remove any packages
[04:02] <JNuke> hello, I'm having a small issue, wondering if you could help
[04:02] <Chipzz> so it would seem I'm the one who got you, not the other way around
[04:02] <Levande1> ah, debconf questions, i think that pretty much means you can't apt-get upgrade from cron
[04:02] <Chipzz> :P
[04:02] <Chipzz> Levande1: you can
[04:02] <Levande1> Chipzz: what if the defaults don't work for you?
[04:02] <Chipzz> you just have to dig a bit
[04:03] <bob2> Levande1: there are unsupported 2.6.11 packages in ubuntu
[04:03] <Chipzz> Levande1: the default are chosen in such a way that they will work in most cases for you
[04:03] <Levande1> bob2: but they won't install on their own in my hoary install?
[04:03] <Levande1> Chipzz: yeah, but fuck you if you're one of those cases.
[04:03] <Chipzz> nevertheless, you will have to output of the whole apt-get run mailed to you
[04:03] <bob2> Levande1: correct
[04:03] <Chipzz> if teh defaults do not fit you, you can always use dpkg-reconfigure
[04:03] <JNuke> I'm using the instructions from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto, and I've gotten to the part where I have to enter "modprobe ndiswrapper". I try it, but it gives me an "operation not permited" error.
[04:04] <Levande1> okay, i gotta go, see you guys later, food might be burning.
[04:04] <DanglyBits> trying to install new theme from gnome-look.org..I have downloaded a tar.gz file...How do i open it?
[04:04] <bob2> JNuke: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:04] <karljp> jnuke: read the very bottom comment :)
[04:04] <karljp> sudo before most stuff
[04:04] <Chipzz> not knowing about dpkg-reconfigure sounds to me like being uninformed :P
[04:05] <super_dude2>  when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[04:05] <etzerd> hello all
[04:06] <etzerd> Hello all ubuntu people
[04:06] <etzerd> ?
[04:06] <super_dude2> hi
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:06] <JNuke> bob2: That gives me the same error. su modprobe ndiswrapper gives me a "Unknown ID: Modprobe" message
[04:06] <nickrud> oolon, sorry for late, but you're welcome :)
[04:07] <etzerd> can anyone tell me how can I install Windows Media Player in Ubuntu?
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh
[04:07] <nickrud> Is crossover still in business?
[04:07] <Delph> nickrud: it's a possibility
[04:07] <jfk303> Hi, who's in the UK?
[04:08] <super_dude2>  when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[04:08] <Delph> jfk303: would you prefer the list ordered alphabetically, or by national insurance number?
[04:08] <nickrud> djm62, I thought you were in scotland :)
[04:08] <djm62> still part of the union ;) just.
[04:08] <nickrud> got your own parliment, what's keeping you?
[04:09] <nickrud> Delph, Ok, I bite. What are we diagramming?
[04:09] <djm62> nickrud: tax-raising powers
[04:10] <nickrud> ah, money speaks :)
[04:10] <Delph> nickrud: well, the UK and scotland, for one.
[04:10] <djm62> we also have our own legal system...but no tax-raising powers
[04:10] <super_dude2> !!!1
[04:11] <oolon> anyone have a mplayer plugin?
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> for mozilla?
[04:11] <oolon> yes
[04:11] <nickrud> United Kingdom, Wales, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, a few islands off the coast of France. How's my geog?
[04:11] <JNuke> what else could I do to make 'modprobe ndiswrapper' work?
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> nope - mine is vlm
[04:11] <jfk303> Cornwall
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> but there is one for it
[04:11] <jfk303> another country btw
[04:12] <oolon> i just want flash and such to work
[04:12] <flex_> can gnomebaker burn audio cds?
[04:12] <karljp> sudo not su jnuke
[04:12] <SQL_Sam> flash is different
[04:12] <djm62> dodgy...
[04:12] <SQL_Sam> go to macromedia for that - i got that for flash
[04:12] <nickrud> oolon, did you do the page I gave you?
[04:12] <oolon> i tried the plugin it installed but didn't work
[04:12] <karljp> with apt-get, when I first install, I see a list of recommended packages,
[04:12] <djm62> how long since cornwall was an official country, language or not
[04:12] <karljp> how can I show tha tlist again?
[04:13] <oolon> this is a test box nickrud  my card is in another one :(
[04:13] <SQL_Sam> are there any good spyware or virus stoppers for linux? I need some
[04:13] <Chipzz> karljp: if you use the -u option when doing apt-get upgrade, apt will be more verbose
[04:13] <djm62> SQL_Sam: to stop what?
[04:13] <nickrud> ah, well, I get flash by doing that page and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:13] <jfk303> djm62, by who's laws, the English?
[04:13] <JNuke> karljp: gives me the operation not permited error
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> sql_sam. what sort of AVs?
[04:13] <SQL_Sam> viruses and spyware
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> i dont have anything
[04:14] <karljp> upgrade tries to update everything though, I don't want to install anything new
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> but figure i need somthing
[04:14] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, those aren't really needed for Linux
[04:14] <karljp> I just want to see what packages something I've already installed recommended
[04:14] <Chipzz> SQL_Sam: why do you think you need virus stoppers?
[04:14] <djm62> jfk303: I'm not dissing it, but it's kind of like "war of the roses" stuff (at least to me)
[04:14] <bob2> JNuke: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:14] <Chipzz> karljp: hmmm
[04:14] <bob2> try to stay on-topic, guys
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> there are no viruses for linux?
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> that is cool if it is true
[04:14] <bob2> SQL_Sam: there's about 3, none of which will hit sensible people
[04:15] <SQL_Sam> what about spyware?
[04:15] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, just a few and if you stick to the Ubuntu repositories you don't have to worry about it
[04:15] <bob2> oolon: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:15] <bob2> SQL_Sam: how could there be spyware?
[04:15] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, same :)
[04:15] <oolon> thanks bob2
[04:15] <SQL_Sam> gotta love linux ;)
[04:15] <karljp> jones: that's bold, they hacked debian remember
[04:15] <Chipzz> karljp: apt-get install grep-dctrl ; grep-status "" -s Suggests -s Recommends
[04:15] <jfk303> djm62, I'm only joking- far too tired
[04:15] <djm62> SQL_Sam: if it becomes a problem, it will be all over the blogs in seconds
[04:15] <JNuke> bob2: operation not permited
[04:16] <Chipzz> you may want to do something like 'grep-status "" -s Suggests -s Recommends | sort -u' though
[04:16] <bob2> JNuke: show me your prompt, what you typed, and what error you got
[04:16] <SQL_Sam> i was worried about trojans from the web - but i guess they are all for windows huh?
[04:16] <djm62> jfk303: I support independence for yorkshire too ;)
[04:16] <bob2> that will be 2 lines of text
[04:16] <aimaz> I have changed my processor and motherboard to amd64 since I installed ubuntu, how do I change my system to use amd64 instead of i386 packages?
[04:16] <bob2> SQL_Sam: how could they work on linux?  no browser on linux is going to randomly run crap from websites
[04:16] <bob2> aimaz: you have to reinstall
[04:16] <abbot45> you guys probably hear this all the time, but i just installed and i cant get my resolution above 640x480.
[04:17] <Chipzz> karljp: though the output of that may be a little more than you bargained for ;P
[04:17] <bugz_> anybody here have a Windows 2000 Pro CD?
[04:17] <SQL_Sam> and you wonder why people use windows at all.....  :-)
[04:17] <aimaz> bob2, I can't just hack it in somehow? :(
[04:17] <nickrud> abbot45, yeah we do, and probably can help :)
[04:17] <bob2> abbot45: please ask on the user list
[04:17] <jfk303> djm62, :) I'm still laughing, I can hardly type
[04:17] <bob2> aimaz: no
[04:17] <bob2> bugz_: that doesn't seem very on-topic
[04:17] <Linforcer> what's up with that backports thing?
[04:17] <djm62> SQL_Sam: almost everything aims at hitting windows, there are few vulnerabilities for linux (this will probably stay the same), few bits of malware target them (this will probably change), and patches are available quickly (probably stay the same)
[04:17] <JNuke> bob2: root@Liaden:/usr/src # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:17] <JNuke> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:17] <Linforcer> It' s down or something?
[04:17] <bob2> Linforcer: don't use them
[04:17] <Linforcer> oh
[04:17] <bob2> JNuke: lord
[04:17] <Linforcer> yeah
[04:17] <bob2> JNuke: why are you root?
[04:17] <Linforcer> where will I get my java
[04:17] <Linforcer> :p
[04:18] <bob2> Linforcer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:18] <bob2> I'd strongly recommend staying away from the backports repositories
[04:18] <Linforcer> been there, I should install the warty one?
[04:18] <karljp> chipzz: excellent, that seems like I can beat it into shape
[04:18] <dazed> Linforcer: www.ubuntuguide.org has a nice howto on java
[04:18] <flex_> JNuke: does it still work?
[04:18] <Linforcer> well, I dont have a choice anymore
[04:18] <SQL_Sam> it's funny how come you never hear this debate in slashdot when people are ranting about windows
[04:18] <JNuke> flex_: does what still work?
[04:19] <Linforcer> I get 500 internal server errors so.. :p
[04:19] <flex_> JNuke: ndiswrapper
[04:19] <Linforcer> and dazed ubuntuguide TELLS me to use backports
[04:19] <Linforcer> unlike some days ago
[04:19] <Linforcer> now I want to do it like I did some days ago
[04:19] <bob2> Linforcer: ignore that bit of the ubuntu guide
[04:19] <bob2> it's silly
[04:19] <JNuke> flex, it's what I'm trying
[04:19] <bob2> JNuke: please login as a normal user and try again
[04:19] <Linforcer> then what?
[04:20] <Jeezis> i'm trying to set up my mini-pci wireless card
[04:20] <Linforcer> njust what the other thing said
[04:20] <Jeezis> this is the readout when i do 'iwconfig'
[04:20] <Linforcer> adding warty java and warty universe?
[04:20] <Linforcer> oh well
[04:20] <JNuke> bob2, I'm logged in as a normal user
[04:20] <Jeezis> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"Jeezis"
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:09:5B:97:B9:40
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:-2147483648 dBm
[04:20] <Jeezis>           RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Power Management:off
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-27 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[04:20] <bob2> JNuke: why does it say "root" then?
[04:20] <bob2> Jeezis: please paste stuf in #flood, not here
[04:21] <Jeezis> ?
[04:21] <Jeezis> i'm just trying to get help
[04:21] <bob2> yes, I know
[04:21] <bob2> if you have to paste stuff for people to see, do it in #flood, not here
[04:21] <Jeezis> bob2: ok
[04:22] <bob2> JNuke: login as a normal user and try again
[04:22] <JNuke> how about this then? johnny@Liaden:~$ modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:22] <bob2> again, no
[04:22] <bob2> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:22] <djm62> JNuke: the idea is to use sudo
[04:23] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the howto says that
[04:23] <ShadowRage> are there any ppp dialers for ubuntu?
[04:23] <flex_> is there media you can add to apt-get?
[04:23] <Linforcer> So erm, shouyld I remove the warty java and warty universe sources after java is installed or should they not cause a problem?
[04:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: yes, use pppconfig to set it up, and pon and poff to turn it on and off
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> I know this is a long shot but any of you know any mini-pci card site that also has realtek rj45 and adaptec U160 cards? [NOT pci]
[04:23] <ShadowRage> bob2: any graphical dialers?
[04:23] <JNuke> bob2, it gives me the same error.
[04:23] <djm62> ShadowRage: System->Administration->Networking provides the gnome interface
[04:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: probably, but I dunno
[04:23] <bob2> JNuke: show me
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> I knew I actually saw one several months ago..I'm keep wishing I had bookmarked it -- I've been like at google for over half hour to no lead at all
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> :|
[04:24] <ShadowRage> I can live with doing that, but I'd prefer something I can remember to turn off
[04:24] <JNuke> johnny@Liaden:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:24] <JNuke> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:24] <bob2> JNuke: what does 'whoami' print out?
[04:24] <JNuke> it prints 'johnny'
[04:25] <bob2> JNuke: what does 'uname -a' print out?
[04:25] <ShadowRage> bob2: gppp still part of gnome 2?
[04:25] <bob2> I don't know
[04:26] <JNuke> Linux Liaden 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:27] <black_Nightmare> hm guess not
[04:28] <Jeezis> hmm, kwifimanager is running, and iwconfig detects my wireless card
[04:29] <^vir^> back
[04:29] <ryman> hi guys whats the command to delete dir ?
[04:29] <ryman> deldir ?
[04:29] <bob2> JNuke: nothing in the user list archives?
[04:29] <^vir^> rox-filer looks nice
[04:29] <bob2> ryman: rmdir blah
[04:29] <Jeezis> but when i try to change something using iwconfig it say SET failed on device wlan0 ; no such device
[04:29] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[04:29] <Levander> Anybody use a cvs or svn repository to version their administrative configuration changes?
[04:30] <bob2> Levander: neither are really usable, since they don't store permissions or ownership
[04:30] <bob2> cfengine2 is probably more like what you want
[04:30] <Levander> ah, cool
[04:30] <JNuke> bob2: which would be where? I've been in linux for a grand total of 2 hours...
[04:30] <bob2> JNuke: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[04:30] <Levander> but wouldn't the user's umask be good enough to set the permissions when you've taken something out of the versioning repository?
[04:31] <ryman> how do I unmount somehting ?
[04:31] <bob2> Levander: no
[04:31] <Levander> just would rather use one versioning control system for everything, rather than a specific one for sysadmin tasks.
[04:31] <ryman> sudo unmnt ?
[04:31] <bob2> ryman: umount
[04:31] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[04:31] <Levander> bob2: okay, i'm gonna go read about cfengine2
[04:32] <lifeless> bob2: hey
[04:32] <JNuke> bob2, dont see anything...
[04:32] <lifeless> bob2: you in syd ?
[04:32] <Levander> hey, what's this about webmin being installed on my system?  Is it easy to pull up webmin on my machine in a browser?  What would be the URL?
[04:33] <bob2> lifeless: on my way soon
[04:33] <djm62> Levander: have you installed webmin?
[04:33] <Levander> djm62: no, but it says "starting webmin" when I boot my system
[04:33] <djm62> Levander: the default port is 10000, so http://localhost:10000
[04:34] <Levander> djm62: is it run from under apache, or is it it's own server?
[04:34] <bob2> lifeless: kinda dreading a week of sleep deprivation + sickness
[04:34] <djm62> I'm not sure
[04:34] <djm62> bob2: hardware support has improved since the 90s!
[04:34] <lifeless> bob2: much better scheduled that last time
[04:34] <Levander> well, it's there, but i'm on my other machine now, and it's saying "access denied".  have to figure out how to open up that access i guess
[04:35] <Levander> access denied to my ip*
[04:35] <ShadowRage> bob2: what are the ubuntu repositories again?
[04:35] <Levander> ShadowRage: it's where all the ubuntu packages are stored
[04:35] <bob2> lifeless: 9am starts Conflict with getting better, tho ;)
[04:35] <bob2> lifeless: hopefully the schedule ends early each night
[04:35] <ShadowRage> Levander: I mean.. what is the url to them
[04:35] <bob2> ShadowRage: how do you mean?
[04:35] <ryman> /dev/hda5       /home/ryman/Movies  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[04:35] <ryman> /dev/hdb       /home/ryman/Storage  vfat    umask=000       0
[04:35] <lifeless> 2015 is the end of the last session daily
[04:36] <Resonant> Anyone know of a good router-based distrobution, one that comes with everything I need?
[04:36] <ryman> I can't see any files in the second partition
[04:36] <Levander> ShadowRage: you are trying to set up your sources.list?
[04:36] <Resonant> Besides of Ubuntu of course ;-)
[04:36] <ryman> what did I do wrong ?
[04:36] <djm62> Resonant: one comes in linksys routers :-/
[04:36] <bob2> lifeless: haha, a mere 11 hours a day
[04:36] <ShadowRage> Levander: gonna grab a package I'll need to get online later
[04:36] <Resonant> Bah. I dont want to buy a commercial router
[04:36] <Resonant> I have a spare old computer
[04:37] <Levander> http://archive.ubuntu.com - but not positive that's what you're looking for
[04:37] <ShadowRage> Levander: that would be it
[04:37] <djm62> nights
[04:37] <jubei> Hello. X wont start "(EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device    No core pointer"
[04:38] <saik0> greets
[04:38] <saik0> Is there a file somewhere where I can look at and edit the printers that were auto detected?
[04:39] <ShadowRage> Levander: can you do me a favor, see if gnome dialer is in ubuntu universe or multiverse
[04:39] <IIIEars_>  11anything
[04:39] <SQL_Sam> how do you make vlc the default media player?
[04:39] <limer> :X vlc
[04:39] <jubei> this happens when I add the line Option      "Protocol" "evdev" to my xorg.conf. Why wont X start?
[04:40] <Linforcer> so this gnome menu-editor in the  guide just edits the applications menu. anyone know of a tool to edit places or system menus?
[04:40] <ShadowRage> makes it easier when it comes to backing up data
[04:40] <ShadowRage> or upgrading stuff
[04:41] <ShadowRage> was waiting for a good dist :O
[04:41] <ShadowRage> I need warty
[04:41] <ShadowRage> er
[04:41] <ShadowRage> hoary
[04:41] <nickrud> Linforcer, you can add places from inside the file selector dialog, I don't know of anywhere else
[04:41] <karljp> anyone know how to make nano not my default editor?
[04:42] <jubei> If I wanted to post the above question on ubuntu boards would it be a hardware or application question?
[04:42] <Linforcer> nickrud oh yeah, thats true thanks
[04:42] <karljp> set | grep -i edit and env | grep -i edit don't show it up,
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> karljp its in path
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think
[04:42] <nickrud> karljp, either EDITOR in ./etc/profile, or sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[04:42] <ryman> how do I change the skin for xmms ?
[04:42] <karljp> nickrud: but shouldn't stuff in /etc/profile go into my own env vars?
[04:43] <ShadowRage> bob2: is chestnut dialer in ubuntu's package tree?
[04:43] <karljp> I mean, I should have an EDITOR in my set and env output right?
[04:43] <nickrud> karljp, it's not?
[04:43] <karljp> nick: nope
[04:44] <karljp> and it's not in /etc/profile either
[04:44] <nickrud> karljp, well, I'm the only one on my machine & I do the --config editor thing
[04:44] <Linforcer> oh, man... I can' t believe GnomeBaker or the CD/DVD creator can' t create and burn an image because the files in it have umlauts and stuff
[04:44] <Linforcer> thst is so lame
[04:44] <Linforcer> ow well
[04:46] <flex_> can gnomebaker burn audio cds from mp3
[04:46] <bob2> ShadowRage: I haven't heard of that before
[04:46] <bob2> Linforcer: file a bug
[04:46] <Linforcer> bob2 will do
[04:46] <limer> you know, Miller High Life really isn't bad once you're drunk enough to not taste it
[04:47] <ShadowRage> bob2: http://chestnut-dialer.sourceforge.net/gtk2-screenshots.html
[04:47] <Linforcer> bob2 searched for bugs, bug already filed
[04:51] <ircbot_> is there an apt for flash?
[04:51] <Linforcer> O.o
[04:51] <bob2> ircbot_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:51] <bob2> (please read the FAQ)
[04:51] <ircbot_> ...
[04:52] <Linforcer> You need a bot for that kind of thing
[04:52] <Linforcer> where you can be all like "!info [userrname]  [topic] "
[04:52] <bob2> so people can ignore the bot like they do the faq, and the howto and the list archive and the website?
[04:52] <holycow> bob2, hehe :)
[04:52] <Linforcer> it' ll pm them
[04:52] <bob2> that's obnoxious
[04:52] <Linforcer> worked for me when I first wanted to install debian
[04:53] <nickrud> karljp, sorry I disappeared or seemed to give a short answer, I was working with someone on another channel
[04:53] <Linforcer> I came in there, asked something
[04:53] <nickrud> karljp, did you get your editor set right?
[04:53] <Linforcer> they did some command, nifty pm explaining step by step what to do
[04:53] <Linforcer> it wasn' t obnoxious and I didn' t ignore irt
[04:53] <karljp> nick, yeah that worked, seems ubuntu doesn't use the EDITOR var,
[04:53] <Linforcer> it*
[04:54] <karljp> t uses sensible-editor
[04:54] <KarlosII> is it just me or has there not been any updates for hoary recently?
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: it's released
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: this is what happens
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: the only updates in future will be fore serious bugs or security problems
[04:54] <Linforcer> By the way, if it says multiverse is "non-free" does that mean non-free or simply non-GPL?
[04:55] <bob2> non-free
[04:55] <nickrud> karljp, yes it does. or it's supposed to.
[04:55] <bob2> as in it's not freely distributable
[04:55] <Linforcer> alright
[04:55] <bob2> but you can probably at least use it
[04:55] <karljp> well, EDITOR overrides
[04:55] <KarlosII> ah I see
[04:55] <karljp> but it falls back to sensible-editor
[04:55] <Linforcer> so there are non-GPL free sources in universe?
[04:55] <KarlosII> Now I understand
[04:55] <nickrud> karljp, I would hope so :)
[04:55] <karljp> nick :)
[04:55] <bob2> Linforcer: there's non-GPL Free stuff in main
[04:55] <karljp> just not what I was used to.
[04:56] <Linforcer> bob2 I see. I had no idea.
[04:56] <bob2> Linforcer: GPL software is a subset of Free Software
[04:56] <bob2> X isn't GPL, for instance
[04:56] <bob2> er, X.org and XFree86
[04:56] <Linforcer> xD really? I'm so ignorant
[04:56] <saik0> so where does gnome keep it's autodectected printer settings
[04:56] <karljp> damn hippies
[04:56] <Linforcer> they have their own license?
[04:56] <karljp> THE GPL IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF FREE SOFTWARE
[04:56] <Linforcer> karijp I know
[04:56] <nickrud> karljp, sorry, jumped out, yeah sensible-editor is a script in /usr/bin, it's easy to read
[04:57] <bob2> Linforcer: they use the MIT/X11 license, which is very similar to the BSD license
[04:57] <Linforcer> bob2: oh right, that no advertisements clause it has
[04:57] <BrettMeister> Hi, folks!
[04:57] <Linforcer> Because the new BSD license is GPL compatible
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:57] <shawnh> hi
[04:57] <bob2> Linforcer: right, mit/x11 and 3-clause bsd don't have the advertising clause
[04:57] <shawnh> what is new folks
[04:58] <[Outlaw] > I just tried Ubuntu on my Powerbook... very impressed on the whole
[04:58] <[Outlaw] > Shame WPA support is hopeless
[04:58] <BrettMeister> I just used synaptics to download and install K3b.  It shows as installed in synaptics; but, I'm not finding it on my applications lists.  Ideas?
[04:58] <bob2> [Outlaw] : that depends on your chipset, aiui
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> BrettMeister,  run it from the shell 'k3b' is the command
[04:59] <Linforcer> Man... I swear. Ubuntu is teh second best distrobution if you don't mind waiting loooong, and the best if you do.
[04:59] <[Outlaw] > bob2: It's a Netgear WG511. It's all detected, but setting up WPA authentication is horrible... there is no reason I should have to hack around in various .conf files to get it to work
[04:59] <BrettMeister> Dr_Willis, Thanks!  So that's the only way for me to run it?
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> brettmeister. install the "menu" package, it will be in the new menu
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> waiting long? waiting for what?
[04:59] <[Outlaw] > Maybe I'll try it again in a few months when WPA is as supported as WEP
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> BrettMeister,  make an icon for it. :P
[04:59] <Linforcer> Dr_Willis I would consider Gentoo ebtter if it werent for how long it takes to install
[05:00] <BrettMeister> Kamping_Kaiser, Make that install through synaptics?
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> Linforcer,  ive used gentoo.. in many ways i consider ubuntu better.
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:00] <Linforcer> DR_willis name ' em
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> or apt
[05:00] <Linforcer> (plese)
[05:00] <Linforcer> please*
[05:00] <bob2> [Outlaw] : sure, and I want a pony
[05:00] <bob2> [Outlaw] : you can send patches, you kno w;)
[05:00] <BrettMeister> Thanks, everyone.
[05:00] <Linforcer> (what is WITH my typing today?)
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Depends on  your needs.. Some people want a more tough out system for how gnome works with the tools.. others want a more "standard to the gnome you get from the source way" -
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> i can use ubuntu and it basiciallty fits my needs out of the box. with very little twiddling.
[05:01] <andrek> anyone know of a scp client with gui?
[05:01] <bob2> andrek: nautilus can do sftp
[05:01] <andrek> how?
[05:01] <[Outlaw] > Well, Redhat's network manager looks very promising
[05:01] <Linforcer> Dr_willis yeah, but the Gentoo tree has so much more than Ubuntu's
[05:02] <bob2> andrek: open the url sftp://user@host/home/user/
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Linforcer,  more that i dont need. :P
[05:02] <saik0> I sit in the switched from gentoo camp as well
[05:02] <Amaranth> Linforcer: gentoo also appearently breaks gstreamer :)
[05:02] <Linforcer> Dr_willis anyway, heck I'm not using Gentoo and /using/ Ubuntu for a reason :P
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> gentoo often breaks things.. but they do tend to get fixed the next day. :P
[05:03] <Linforcer> haha
[05:03] <Linforcer> little GNOMEs come do it at night
[05:03] <Amaranth> Linforcer: If you're a gentoo user and could explain this to me I'd be greatful, I get users asking for help with this
[05:03] <Linforcer> Amaranth I' m not I just hear and see a lot from a Gentoo user friend
[05:03] <Amaranth> It doesn't create gstreamer's gconf entries in /system/gstreamer/0.8/default
[05:03] <Amaranth> oh
[05:05] <dazed> i need something to do ! lol
[05:06] <Linforcer> Anyway, anyone who' s new to Linux I would tell to use Ubuntu anyway. It's the first distro that made me toss out ol windows and say bye to dualbooting
[05:06] <ShadowRage> bob2: does ubuntu have gqradio?
[05:07] <bob2> ShadowRage: don't think so
[05:07] <bob2> you can find that out from the ubuntu website, tho
[05:08] <ShadowRage> who do I go to to get packages added to ubuntu?
[05:08] <ShadowRage> gqradio = the sex
[05:08] <Linforcer> hm, what does this -t hoary argument for apt-get do? exclude any sources that have hoary in it?
[05:08] <ShadowRage> if you have a radio tuner like I do :X
[05:08] <bob2> Linforcer: no, read the manpage
[05:08] <bob2> Linforcer: it tells apt to try to get the version from hoary
[05:08] <Linforcer> obob2 was just thinking that
[05:08] <BrettMeister> Newbie working on tweaks here.  The easy menu way of looking at screen resolution settings won't let me make changes.  Ideas on how?
[05:08] <Linforcer> bob2 was just thinking that to both sentences
[05:09] <Linforcer> typed the question before thinking :(
[05:09] <Linforcer> nasty habit
[05:09] <BrettMeister> ...from the screen menu.
[05:10] <Linforcer> >.>
[05:10] <Linforcer> losslessness galore ey
[05:10] <ShadowRage> argh
[05:10] <ShadowRage> what the fuck?
[05:10] <ShadowRage> they have gqmpeg gqcam
[05:10] <ShadowRage> but no gqradio
[05:10] <ShadowRage> wtf
[05:10] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: you have universe & multiverse enabled in your sources.list?
[05:11] <ShadowRage> only universe
[05:11] <saik0> so does anybody know this mysterious conf file where the gnome print manager keeps it's autodetected printers?
[05:11] <bob2> I doubt it stores it in a config file
[05:12] <saik0> bob2, say it is'nt so
[05:12] <mattscott> join #linux
[05:12] <DanglyBits> trying to install new theme from gnome-look.org..I have downloaded a tar.gz file...How do i open it?
[05:12] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: it's in none of the repositories
[05:12] <ShadowRage> hrmm
[05:12] <^thehatsrule^> hey guys... is there a cli command to see your computer specs?
[05:13] <bob2> no
[05:13] <flex_>  DanglyBits: tar zxvf filename
[05:13] <andrek> scp program with gui?
[05:13] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: I'm googling it now... usually it'd be listed on the Ubuntu site... but not this time
[05:13] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/radio.html
[05:14] <flex_> yay ive got ubuntu iso
[05:14] <DanglyBits> flex_: thanks
[05:14] <bob2> andrek: use nautilus as I told you before
[05:14] <andrek> can't get it working
[05:14] <bob2> then explain what's wrong
[05:14] <bob2> instead of going off on another tangent
[05:15] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: doesn't help me... local radio here sucks... switched to XM :)
[05:15] <andrek> well, i type the adress and login
[05:15] <andrek> but nothing happens
[05:15] <bob2> no window pops up at all?
[05:16] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: of course I could always compile a source package ;D
[05:16] <ryman> hi guys , how do I change xmms skin ?
[05:16] <ShadowRage> whatever, I gotta go
[05:16] <ShadowRage> prolly transfer parts and stuff to another computer tomorrow, back up everything to free partitions and install ubuntu.
[05:16] <ShadowRage> later.
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> bye
[05:17] <saik0> darkaudit, the radio still sucks, eh?
[05:17] <andrek> bob2, no
[05:17] <andrek> but anyways
[05:17] <andrek> gFTP does it for me
[05:18] <bob2> ryman: right click on the body
[05:18] <mainer> andrek: try putty
[05:18] <andrek> putty for linux?
[05:18] <mainer> yes
[05:19] <mainer> they have a linux version
[05:19] <darkaudit> saik0: I listen to local radio for Steelers, Pirates, & WVU... that's about it...
[05:19] <hypno> jebus, can you get any easier than `ssh username@hostname`
[05:19] <geneo93> bob2:  why doesn't ubuntu have gnomeradio
[05:20] <saik0> darkaudit, I listen to NPR on occasion.  Ubuntu's mlnet from the mldonkey package gets banned all over the place... compile a new mlnet and bans lifted... didn't change any of the config files
[05:23] <smouche> in the US, a network for public radio.
[05:23] <SQL_Sam> im from AZ - lol but i thought it was something else
[05:23] <kakakeke> hi!!!!!!!!!
[05:23] <kakakeke> i am french
[05:24] <SQL_Sam> hola!
[05:24] <ryman> bob2|  where do I put the skin that I downloaded ?
[05:24] <Linforcer> Is that your best quality?
[05:24] <ryman> or how do I load it ?
[05:24] <Linforcer> Since you're advertising it so loudly
[05:24] <smouche> well, I listen to French radio too -- at least I don't need mplayer for Radio France!
[05:24] <kakakeke> yes
[05:24] <Linforcer> xD
[05:24] <kakakeke> it's good
[05:25] <Linforcer> Hey! I'm not far from france :P
[05:25] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, hehe, hola is not french ;)
[05:25] <Linforcer> Well, I wouldn' t say I' m close either.
[05:25] <ruukia> I need help... my computer hangs (ie blank screen) when I try to restart ... this prob wasn't there before and I dunno why its there now ... I compared my old xorg.conf with new one and nothing has changed .. someone plz help!
[05:25] <darkaudit> smouche: your mplayer off the ubuntu repo, or did you roll your own?
[05:25] <smouche> repo, darkaudit.
[05:25] <saik0> ] BreliC[, I'm sure he meant ohayo
[05:25] <smouche> which one exactly, at this point, I don't know!
[05:26] <kakakeke> and
[05:26] <kakakeke> why speak french here
[05:26] <smouche> or aloha.
[05:26] <smouche> pourquoi pas?
[05:26] <] BreliC[> heh, or even Guten Abend
[05:26] <darkaudit> smouche: I've gotten better results by rolling my own .deb... the devels recommend it, and include instructions in the source
[05:27] <Linforcer> parce que c' est pas gentil pour les gens qui ne comprens pas (pardon my french OMGPUN)
[05:27] <bob2> geneo93: because no one packaged it yet.  do you want to?
[05:27] <smouche> darkaudit -- thanks, I'll try
[05:27] <bob2> ryman: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:27] <bob2> ryman: but I'm pretty sure xmms has some documentation
[05:27] <bob2> this is an english channel, folks
[05:28] <darkaudit> smouche: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[05:28] <geneo93> bob2 ubuntu has to new of libs for the one i have
[05:28] <kakakeke_> why speak french here
[05:28] <kakakeke_> ??
[05:28] <darkaudit> get the packes the page suggests... not all those switches to compile will work
[05:28] <dazed_> why not kakakeke_
[05:28] <bob2> smouche: mplayer is already in Ubuntu
[05:29] <bob2> dazed_: this is an english channel.  try #ubuntu-fr.
[05:29] <kakakeke_> yes
[05:29] <kakakeke_> ok
[05:29] <kakakeke_> thank you
[05:29] <smouche> yes, bob2.  You missed darkaudit's point, I think.
[05:29] <dazed_> damn well pee on u then
[05:29] <DanglyBits> how do i install new themes for ubuntu?
[05:29] <bob2> smouche: his point is invalid
[05:29] <bob2> there's no point to recompiling it
[05:29] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[05:29] <dazed_> i just figured it was a general ubu channel i dont care if anyone speaks french
[05:29] <darkaudit> bob2: they're generic... the mplayer developers suggest that one compile their own for best results
[05:30] <kakakeke_> ok
[05:30] <bob2> the mplayer developers are...interesting
[05:30] <kakakeke_> the channel#unbuntu-fr
[05:30] <kakakeke_> is ok
[05:30] <kakakeke_> thank you
[05:30] <ryman> I have question about the windows. How do I make it like when I go into a new folder. it opens about windows instead of the _self window
[05:30] <kcbnac> Grrr.  I followed the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for instructions on howto install 3D drivers (in this case the binary only ones) for my ATI Radeon 9600XT...it broke X :-(
[05:30] <smouche> bob2 -- what's up your but -- driving off the foreigners (one line in French and he's persona non grata -- that's a phrase used in english,btw--
[05:30] <bob2> smouche: huh?
[05:30] <bob2> I'm not driving anyone off
[05:30] <smouche> and you're arguing with friendly advise about an alternative to repos mplayer?
[05:30] <bob2> I'm pointing people at places that will better be able to help them
[05:31] <saik0> DanglyBits, metacity themes? icon themes? GTK2 themes?
[05:31] <bob2> I'm pointing out that you're going to extra hassle for no reason
[05:31] <bob2> you're obviously free to do whatever you want
[05:31] <kcbnac> I reselected the ATI rather than the fglrx for video, rerunning the config on X.
[05:31] <darkaudit> bob2: and the mplayer I compiled supported more of my hardware's capabilities than the ubuntu-packaged one meant for my processor...
[05:31] <bob2> darkaudit: e.g.?
[05:32] <bob2> oh, blah, do whatever you want
[05:32] <smouche> bob2 -- I work with people with varying English language skills every day, its my profession -- you may be helping them more by encouraging them to stick around
[05:32] <Amaranth> If he says something about SSE or MMX I think I might puke. ;)
[05:32] <kcbnac> But I want (okay need) 3D support under Ubuntu.  Anybody know howto install it?  the wiki instructions didn't do it.
[05:32] <smouche> they may be able to cope in an English language channel better than you realize
[05:32] <DanglyBits> saik): i guess they must be gtk themes..the ones found under Systems>Preferences>Theme
[05:32] <DanglyBits> saik0: i guess they must be gtk themes..the ones found under Systems>Preferences>Theme
[05:32] <bob2> smouche: if they're actually speaking frenchin here, than I'd hazard they'd be happier in a french-speaking channel
[05:32] <darkaudit> Amaranth: well, they weren't on in the k7 package... :)
[05:33] <Amaranth> darkaudit: Have you ever seen Gentoo? :)
[05:33] <kcbnac> I want to play UT2004, not just listen to the music :-/
[05:33] <SQL_Sam> is there a short cut key to switch between desktops?
[05:33] <smouche> bob2 -- "speaking french" here was one line, I believe.  You could ignore it.  it disrupted nothing.
[05:33] <bob2> ok!
[05:33] <darkaudit> Amaranth: seen it... almost installed it...
[05:33] <bob2> I'm totally wrong.
[05:33] <bob2> SQL_Sam: you can set one in the keybindings preference window
[05:34] <saik0> DanglyBits, gnome-look.org is a good place to start. unpack it it ~/.themes/
[05:34] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, ctrl+alt+arrow keys
[05:34] <SQL_Sam> cool
[05:34] <Amaranth> saik0: You don't even have to unpack it.
[05:34] <DanglyBits> saik0: what file am i looking to install once i unpack the theme?
[05:34] <SQL_Sam> not working...
[05:35] <Amaranth> saik0: The Theme window has an "Install Theme" button that you point at the .tar.gz file and it installs it for you.
[05:36] <Q_Continuum> any help installing ATI 3D drivers?  binary or free?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> hmm they were rather easy to install. I followed tht binary driver guide.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> but that was a few weeks ago.
[05:36] <saik0> Amaranth, nifty.  :P is a better question.
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> I reran the setup yeah
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> reran the setup? i just edited the config file.
[05:37] <smouche> bob2, since evidently I'm supposed to infer there's nothing wrong with mplayer in the repos, is it a firefox issue that's making it flaky?
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> I reran it afterwords and just used ATI to get back to my desktop.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> changed 1 line i recall
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> can ya take a look at the page and tell me what you did?  I haven't done anything in the notes.
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> For Hoary
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> I added the sources.. installed the things.. edited the x.org and changed the ati to 'flgrx' i think.
[05:39] <Q_Continuum> hrm.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> took me all of.. say 20 sec. :P
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> i was amazed
[05:40] <Q_Continuum> well I just did it again (manual this time)
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> that site is rather.. concise.   :P
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> and run around the block naked.
[05:42] <lc> What is a good mp3 decoder?
[05:43] <nickrud> lc, mpg123, mpg321 both work
[05:43] <nickrud> unless I misunderstood the question :)
[05:44] <Q_Continuum> How can I tell if it's the one thats loaded now?  restarted X.
[05:44] <] BreliC[> what is it again to redirect messages to null in bash?  2>/dev/null ?
[05:44] <geneo93> Q_Continuum:  run glxgears
[05:45] <Q_Continuum> works.
[05:46] <Q_Continuum> yaaay.
[05:47] <nickrud> gee, seems quiet. does everybody's everthings work :)
[05:48] <geneo93> nickrud:  no working on gnomeradio
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, just no one can get online ;)
[05:48] <nickrud> geneo93, that's hardware, not sofware, and you know my line :)
[05:48] <nickrud> good to see you though
[05:49] <geneo93> nickrud:  the hardware part is fine the software part is borked
[05:49] <geneo93> just cnat seem to get it to compile
[05:50] <nickrud> compile?
[05:50] <geneo93> well yes its not in ubuntu
[05:51] <nickrud> what's the first error you get (I'm feeling frisky, I'll take a chance :)
[05:51] <SQL_Sam> where do you set a video player as the default?
[05:51] <geneo93> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[05:52] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[05:52] <geneo93> i have 2.0-1
[05:52] <Chipzz> is there any way to get your mousecursor back in X after a fullscreen app crashes?
[05:53] <nickrud> do you have the -dev installed?
[05:53] <geneo93> hmm i believe so leme check
[05:53] <Chipzz> this is really getting on my nerves having to kill X each time that app crashes
[05:53] <Q_Continuum> now THAT is weird...
[05:54] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, what app is that ?
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> I go into my home folder...where there is a .UT2004 folder...I click on it and it disappears...
[05:54] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: in this case, mupen64, but other apps that run full screen and change the cursor will do that too
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> has a red X in the upper right corner
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> and a lock in the bottom right.
[05:54] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: SDL apps causing at the wrong moment for instance
[05:54] <Chipzz> s/causing/crashing/
[05:55] <Chipzz> entrance (enlightenments dm)
[05:55] <geneo93> nickrud:  nope
[05:55] <Chipzz> I can set it to the right resolution, but my mouse-cursor will just be invisible
[05:56] <nickrud> geneo93, try libgnomeui-dev
[05:56] <Q_Continuum> any help here?  folder that disappears when I click on it in file manager, has a red X in upper right corner, lock in bottom right...need to delete...but can't, it "doesn't exist"
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, wish I could help :(  night all
[05:58] <flex_> whats the default root password when you install ubuntu
[05:58] <Chipzz> flex_: there is none
[05:58] <Q_Continuum> yaaaay Quake III starts!
[05:58] <optikal> flex_: you have to specify a password to use it
[05:58] <flex_> i do a su and enter nothing for password and it doesnt work
[05:58] <Q_Continuum> now to fix UT2004....
[05:58] <lc> How do I kill an app
[05:58] <lc> xmms isnt responding
[05:58] <Chipzz> use sudo su - followed by passwd to set one
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> !! nice job q_continuum
[05:58] <optikal> flex_: try 'sudo passwd root'
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> now I'm hitting the problem I mentioned above, with the folder that disappears.
[05:59] <geneo93> felx use your user passwd
[05:59] <optikal> huh?
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> need to delete the folder (technically the files inside it)
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> folder that disappears when I click on it in file manager, has a red X in upper right corner, lock in bottom right...need to delete...but can't, it "doesn't exist"
[05:59] <nickrud> geneo93, did that help? and are you sure about the version of libgnomeui you gave me.
[06:00] <flex_> it asks for a password
[06:00] <flex_> the install never let you put one in
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: which is your own password
[06:00] <flex_> i have an account flex with a password and that password doesnt work for root
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: the password of the *user* that is
[06:00] <nickrud> Q_Continuum, go to the same directory in a folder, and do ls -l, if the file says it's owned by root, the file manager can't delete it
[06:00] <flex_> blank doesnt work either
[06:00] <nickrud> Q_Continuum, using a terminal :)
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: type 'sudo su -'
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> of course.
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> doesn't see it.