[01:31] <DanaG> hmm, any chance of getting the find_task_by_vpid symbol re-exported? http://lists.mandriva.com/kernel-discuss/2009-07/msg00018.php
[08:12]  * apw waves
[08:13]  * smb waves back
[08:22]  * cooloney waves back to apw
[08:22] <apw> yo
[08:46] <apw> smb, up for reviewing a branch for me?  just pushed up what i think will be the netbook branch for karmic, to its official location.  could do with an eye over it
[08:47] <smb> Yeah sure, let me finish a little thing off here, then I have a look.
[08:48] <apw> np, thanks
[09:04] <cking_> apw, who maintains those kernel team suspend/resume test scripts?
[09:05] <apw> suspend_test ?  thats mine
[09:05] <cking> I've found that sometimes we may need to ensure the RTC is sync'd with UTC for it to work.
[09:06] <apw> well we cirtainly can't change its utc status
[09:06] <apw> as it may be localtime for windows, do you mean that we should note its not and use a different time?
[09:08] <cking> not sure of the correct workaround - it's just that I've seen one user where hwclock --utc --systohc fixed the problem - so I expect some how we need to check for this kind of localtime/UTC difference
[09:08] <apw> we got into a lot of trouble for doing that in the past :)  windows like it to be localtime
[09:09] <cking> hrm
[09:10] <cking> that certainly concurs with my experience when I was installing Windoze 7 to benchmark the I/O - the clock was 1 hour out
[09:11] <apw> well i can see how it wouldn't work if the clock isn't in UTC
[09:11] <apw> hrm, actually better check the kerel
[09:12] <apw> we use an absolute utc seconds in the kernel interface, need to figure out if it _is_ utc in the interface
[09:12] <smb> apw, Looking at your netbook branch, most things look neat (want that insert-changes for jaunty too. :)) but the "start new release" seems to create abi files with -6.25 numbers. Are you not needing -400.0?
[09:13] <apw> hrm, error
[09:13] <apw> will check thanks
[09:14] <smb> oh sorry, my fault
[09:14] <apw> smb, oh no its actually removing them
[09:14] <smb> yeah just saw so
[09:14] <apw> but that is wrong, that should be in the previous commits
[09:14] <apw> ie. the abi should have been zapped two commites before
[09:14] <apw> will sort that out thanks
[09:15] <smb> right, makes sense
[09:18] <apw> cking, if you have a machine you can set the clock to localtime om
[09:18] <apw> on, then you could test something for me
[09:18] <cking> ok I do have one here
[09:18] <cking> ready for testing
[09:18] <apw> date '+%s'; cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/since_epoch
[09:18] <apw> what does that say
[09:20] <apw> hrm i think mine may be in localtime too
[09:20] <apw> apw@dm$ date '+%s'; cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/since_epoch
[09:20] <apw><PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:20] <apw><PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:20] <cking> Hrm. It's a hardy box which don't have that proc file
[09:20] <apw> pup
[09:20] <apw> usb stick?
[09:20] <cking> yeah - gimme 10
[09:23] <apw> cking, the test i am sure you can guess, but basically can you test setting a sleep at date +%s output + 30s and suspend, and then try at the proc file output + 30s and suspend... see whcih is correct
[09:24] <cking> will do once I've got the machine booted
[09:24] <apw> yep. and you suck eggs by first removing the shell ...
[09:27] <cking> to see if it's fired one can use: cat /proc/driver/rtc | grep alarm_IRQ | awk '{ print $3 }'
[09:29] <apw> interesting
[09:30] <cking> yes = IRQ is triggered
[09:31] <cking> after it's should have fired, it will be no (IRQ has fired)
[09:32] <apw> so its in the inverse of whether it fired?
[09:32] <apw> smb, ok i've hopefully fixed the branch and repushed
[09:33] <cking> yep - check out http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=cking/scripts/.git;a=commit;h=3577ea60c525f4e3d91b2f7afa009fa68e4a6ff8
[09:36] <cking> date '+%s'; cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/since_epoch - gives me:
[09:36] <cking><PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:36] <cking><PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:39] <smb> apw, Ok, if the intention is to do no abi checks at all it seems to be good
[09:39] <apw> for the first version i don't have any abi information
[09:39] <apw> once thats built i will pull the abi info from the builds and we can start checking it
[09:40] <apw> i suppose i should have taken the abi from the tip really shouldn't i
[09:40] <apw> bum
[09:40] <smb> Oh right, the logic with -0.0 would not work here
[09:40] <apw> i guess 400.0 could contain the tip of the karmic trees info
[09:41] <apw> dunno if i care enough to fight it
[09:41] <smb> you could have, it should be good. In the fist version it looked half like you tried to have that
[09:41] <smb> It should be fine both ways
[09:43] <smb> apw, I would rather leave it as is (in favour of getting a condensed jaunty patchset for abstracted ;-))
[09:43] <smb> But I am biased here
[09:44] <apw> yeah i think i'll leave it for now as i have tested the result
[09:44] <apw> yours is next
[09:47] <cking> using since_epoch looks like the trick to fix it
[09:53] <apw> cking, thanks ... will put something together there
[09:55] <cking> apw, it may be worth doing a sanity check that the alarm works before doing those suspend tests, c.f. my script earlier
[09:56] <cking> just bear in mind that since_epoch won't work for Hardy kernels
[09:56] <apw> yeah, will do
[10:21] <apw> smb, ok just pushed the squashed version to my repo, cast an eye over it and if you are happy you can pull it into master
[10:23] <cking> time for a coffee
[10:23] <smb> apw, great. thanks. will do
[10:23] <apw> cking, thats 11s'ies
[10:23] <cking> I've been working since 7
[10:26] <apw> then you are allowed
[10:26] <cking> much appreciated
[10:28] <apw> though now i want one ... grrr
[10:31] <cking> autosuggestion 1: apw 0
[10:35]  * apw slaps cking
[10:36] <smb> apw, Would the jaunty branch still need the insertchanges to follow abstracted debian? (just as I saw that in the karmic netbook branch)
[10:36] <apw> oh yeah, that would be needed over there too
[10:36] <apw> converted to main branch
[10:36] <apw> shall i do that
[10:37]  * apw _will_ do that
[10:37] <smb> apw, Would be neat if you just dropped into your repo. Then I pick and test the whole
[10:37]  * smb give apw one of those famous hugs
[10:37] <apw> daniel back i can't breath :)
[10:38] <smb> hehe
[10:39] <amitk> apw: cking: so are you two going on vacation together?
[10:39] <apw> heheh ... can you imagine ... i'd end up eating his children, i am untrained
[10:39] <amitk> heh
[10:40] <apw> smb, applied to both karmic and my jaunty branch
[10:41] <smb> apw, cool pulling and testing
[10:43] <apw> smb, it had better be right by now!  i am tired of a-d ...
[10:43]  * apw callls now 11:00
[10:43] <smb> apw, I'd be very careful to report otherwise.
[10:44]  * smb looks and sees 11:44
[10:44] <apw> see i am late for my coffee, *slurp*
[10:44] <smb> You can never be late, just in the wrong timezone
[10:46] <apw> we i want to be late, so i can have it now and now wait for 11
[11:00] <cking> yawn
[12:33] <apw> smb, the hardy changelog has no 24.58 in it, is that to be expected?
[12:34] <smb> apw, yes. it was a proposed that will be overridden (actually never went there, but I kept the numbers)
[12:37] <apw> smb, ok thanks
[12:41] <smb> apw, Oh, there is something I have to tell you about the abstracted builds
[12:41] <apw> good or bad?
[12:41] <smb> \o/ seems all files are present
[12:41] <apw> hurrah thank goodness for that
[12:41] <apw> and only the right ones i assume :)
[12:43] <smb> Well it does not exactly tell about the contents. Probably I check on the abi and config files, just to be safe...
[12:43] <apw> i am assuming the contents are the same
[12:43] <apw> presumably we could make a source tarball before and after those commits
[12:43] <apw> and then compare them
[12:43] <apw> as in -x them and diff -u the two trees
[12:44] <apw> they should be the same
[12:44] <smb> But it has the same number of packages as before and the packages contain the same files. The only change could be in generated files that do not lead to files being present
[12:44] <apw> and i likely mena the binary actually
[12:44] <apw> bah i say upload it to a ppa, and see what it makes :)
[12:44] <smb> :) yeah. that is sort of the next step
[12:45] <smb> and boot the produced kernel
[13:15] <juliux> hi
[13:16] <juliux> it is possible to disable the powersaving on the vga port?
[13:17] <juliux> i have here a server which crashes sometimes and then i can't press a key to get the vga/monitor back online;)
[13:22] <apw> juliux, i am pretty sure that would be possible from userspace
[13:22] <apw> is it a raw VT or showing X
[13:23] <juliux> raw VT
[13:23] <juliux> no x is running
[13:28] <smb> juliux, Does "setterm -powersave off" work?
[13:29] <juliux> smb: i will try it out
[13:29] <smb> juliux, maybe needs a "-blank 0", I am not sure
[13:29] <juliux> cannot (un)set powersave mode
[13:31] <smb> juliux, seems only to work typed on the console
[13:32] <juliux> i am logged in via ssh atm
[13:32] <juliux> i will try it directly at the system
[13:32] <smb> juliux, Just tried it with a system here ssh does not work. On the console it does do something
[13:35] <juliux> smb: ok
[13:36] <juliux> but seeterm is only working if i am logged in, right?
[13:38] <smb> From the description is sound like echoing control sequences to the current terminal. Probably its ok as long as the term has the right caps (and ssh virt term does not)
[13:38] <smb> But I have not tried otherwise
[15:08] <bjf> amitk, ?
[15:09] <amitk> bjf: so you've applied all the patches (1st set) as-is (including support for every FSL SoC), right?
[15:09] <bjf> amitk, that is correct, I believe there were only two patches that that didn't get applied "as-is"
[15:10] <amitk> but I thought that when you did the second set (earlier), you'd tweezed out only the imx51-specific bits
[15:10] <bjf> amitk, that is correct
[15:10] <bjf> amitk, that i what I attempted to do
[15:10] <ogra> amitk, btw, does the current build boot for you on the B1 ?
[15:10] <ogra> doesnt work for me
[15:11] <amitk> ogra: not tried it. I'm working on fec ATM
[15:11] <ogra> ah, ignore me then, FEC is more important
[15:12] <amitk> bjf: so in your git tree on kernel.u.c, you now have the 1st set (~60 patches) applied as-is and the 2nd second imx51-specific?
[15:12] <bjf> amitk, no
[15:13] <bjf> amitk, I have a fsl branch in my repo, that contains all ER9-SP patches (300+) applied "as-is"
[15:13] <amitk> aah, ok
[15:14] <bjf> amitk, it _is_ confusing
[15:14] <amitk> I'll find it impossible to replicate that on karmic. When we are having trouble just porting imx51-specific bits, I can't imagine the effort the forward port the entire SoC stack
[15:15] <amitk> *the effort to
[15:16] <bjf> amitk, I understand
[15:17] <bjf> amitk, the only way for all the soc support on karmic is for FSL to do it themselves
[15:17] <bjf> amitk, at some point there are going to move to a more recent kernel
[15:18] <amitk> bjf: so what do you suggest? Should I stick to just porting the single squashed patch that I had in jaunty to karmic and add the new ER9-SP patches on top?
[15:19] <bjf> amitk, I think that is all that you can do, as long as we are only supporting reference design boards then we should be ok
[15:20] <bjf> amitk, if we have to support an OEM customer, then we are going to have problems (bigger problems than just supporting the reference design)
[15:20] <bjf> amitk, just supporting a single reference design is going to be tough enough
[15:21]  * amitk nods
[15:30] <smb> *** Jaunty master tree is now abstracted ***
[15:34] <bjf> smb, must be time for some fsl pathing then :-)
[15:35] <smb> bjf, I wonder how you guessed. :)
[15:36] <rtg> bjf, patching --> patching ?
[15:36] <rtg> pathing*
[15:38] <bjf> rtg, ack  (pathing -> patching)
[15:38] <bjf> rtg, pathing is a new technique we use on fsl patches when we apply them
[15:38]  * rtg thinks bjf is smoking something
[15:40] <ogra> so are you pathing your patches too ?
[16:27] <mdz> I just had my first real, live kernel crash which was saved as a dump automagically in Karmic
[16:32] <ogra> heh, first time i see someone happy about a kernel crash :)
[16:33]  * ogra is happy he finally has a kernel since today at all ... dont want that to crash though
[16:52] <bjf> rtg, mvl-dove tree is missing the "ubuntu" directory tree
[16:53] <rtg> bjf, thats because its a straightforward rebase from their repo. I've no Ubuntu goodness in it (yet)
[16:53] <bjf> rtg, I'm going to need that though aren't I?
[16:53] <rtg> bjf, the most obvious thing missing is aufs for the LiveCD
[16:54] <bjf> rtg, apparmour
[16:54] <rtg> bjf, yep, you're gonna need it. its the next thing I'm working on, but there are some build issues.
[16:54] <rtg> bjf, you can still run without AA
[16:54] <bjf> rtg, I'll ignore it for now
[17:52] <bjf> rtg, my new dove-z0 flavour generates: Could not open /home/bradf/karmic/mvl-karmic/debian/linux-image-2.6.31-200-dove-z0/lib/modules/2.6.31-200-dove-z0/modules.alias at debian.mvl-dove/tests/check-aliases line 10.
[17:53] <rtg> bjf, thats the VERSION bs. I don't think you got rebased correctly.
[17:53] <bjf> rtg, haven't rebased since your change, didn't know the two were related, thanks
[17:54] <rtg> bjf, git reset --hard HEAD~10; git fetch origin; git rebase origin/mvl-dove
[18:00] <rtg> bjf, did you notice there are some updates in the dove git repo in the -rc5 branch?
[18:11] <bjf> rtg, those weree the updates I recently posted and you've already pulled
[18:11] <rtg> bjf, correct, but I also changed the config files as art of those changes
[18:11] <rtg> part*
[18:12] <bjf> rtg, ah, you are talking about *our* dove repo not *marvell's* dove repo, my mistake
[18:12] <bjf> rtg, I'll look at the latest changes you've made
[18:13] <bjf> rtg, to our dove branch
[18:13] <rtg> bjf, yeah, sorry.
[18:13] <bjf> rtg, np, my confusion
[18:42] <NCommander> rtg, can you upload a .2 of the dove metapackage so we can get around the failed to upload issues :-/
[18:43] <rtg> NCommander, if I _knew_ what the problem was....
[18:43] <NCommander> rtg, <bigjools> NCommander: the package is building a binary version that already existing
[18:44] <NCommander> rtg, usually happens when a binary package moves between packages, or similar cases
[18:44] <ameno> apw: are the vanilla builds now totally broken? :)
[18:44] <apw> ameno, maybe?
[18:45] <rtg> NCommander, its a new package. what could be colliding?
[18:45] <ameno> apw: no dir for the last two days
[18:46] <apw> ameno, ahh they were disabled today hwile i fixed a bug, must have missed the mornign build
[18:46] <apw> yeah its off building something now
[18:46] <NCommander> rtg, I'm looking more indepth
[18:46] <ameno> oki, thanks
[18:46] <apw> good job you mentioned it today though :)
[18:46] <NCommander> rtg, I think LP crapped itself; your package is both superseeded AND published: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-mvl-dove/<IP_ADDRESS>.1
[18:47] <smb> apw, Hm, I hope it knows that the configs in jaunty are now under debian.master...
[18:47] <apw> claims to superceed itself
[18:48] <NCommander> apw, thats a bug :-/
[18:48] <apw> smb, it does, well only cause its got fixed for karmic
[18:48] <apw> a bit of luck i fixed it earlier this week
[18:48] <smb> apw, Phew, yeah :)
[18:48] <apw> else you'd be doing it
[18:49]  * smb hides
[18:52] <NCommander> rtg, bah, fixed (in theory)
[18:52] <NCommander> rtg, the source package was promoted to main while the metapackage was building
[18:53] <NCommander> rtg, which caused LP to loose its mind since it tried to find a now non-existant package in universe, and promptly bombed during upload
[18:53] <rtg> NCommander, its the kind of problem I like, i.e., one I don't have to fix.
[18:54] <NCommander> rtg, thanks for your hard work in this. Remind me when we next meet in meatspace to buy you $BEVERAGE
[18:54] <rtg> NCommander, $BEVERAGES
[18:54] <ogra> $BEVERAGES++
[18:54]  * NCommander sets a price limit of $10 dollars or less per BEVERAGE
[18:55] <laga> apw: yay, thanks again for that AUFS fix
[18:55] <apw> laga, np, what woke you up there?
[18:55] <laga> apw: it just got uploaded/published i think
[18:56] <laga> and i got the bug mail
[18:56] <apw> ahh yes it is being
[19:08] <NCommander> rtg, failed again, needs version bump. sorry :-/
[19:08] <rtg> NCommander, uno momento
[19:12] <rtg> NCommander, done
[19:12] <NCommander> rtg, thank you
[19:33] <pef> hello
[20:06] <rtg> bjf-afk, new dove bits, enabled the ubuntu build, rebased against master to bing things up to -rc6
[20:51] <ameno> apw: jfyi, the headers seem to be fixed (recompiled the virtualbox module with them), but the source package is still broken


[01:32] <ebitz> Has anyone been seeing checher patterns and stair stepping while moving windows and watching movies.
[01:32] <havenonearth> hello, this is my first time using IRC and support for ubuntu studio via this channel.  Do I just post my question here and now?  Want to make sure I'm following protocol.
[01:32] <holstein> ebitz: no
[01:32] <holstein> ebitz: sounds like graphics related issues.. i would try and rule out hardware issues, and test with other graphics drivers (if available)
[01:33] <holstein> havenonearth: sure
[01:33] <havenonearth> okeh, I'll go ahead.  Was using 12.10, did a clean install of 13.10 for ubuntu studio.  I notice that I connect to the Internet with little problem, but then it disconnects after a period of time of anywhere between 5 minutes and two hours.
[01:34] <havenonearth> I have a dual boot on my laptop with Win 7 and am having no problems on teh windows side.
[01:35] <ebitz> Using nvidia 304.88 now and tried 319 as well but still get the same issues.
[01:35] <holstein> havenonearth: personally, i dont use "internet" with my production machine, but that sounds like a wifi regression
[01:35] <holstein> havenonearth: have you applied all upgrades?
[01:35] <holstein> ebitz: then, i would try and rule out failing hardware
[01:36] <havenonearth> good question.  maybe I should double-check that.  I thought I had, but maybe there have been some updates since then, since this is still a very new distribution.  I'll try it.
[01:36] <holstein> havenonearth: in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:36] <holstein> then, reboot and check on it
[01:37] <havenonearth> great idea.  that's right, I remember now that sometimes that's the better way to get updates.  I'll try that and let you know if I still have problems.  I'm on the Win7 side so I'll have to log out.  Thanks!
[01:38] <ebitz> holstein: also tried it on gnome and their was no problem.
[01:38] <holstein> ebitz: tried what where?
[01:38] <holstein> ebitz: if things are "just fine" in gnome, use gnome
[01:38] <holstein> ebitz: its likely something to do with your xfce configuration if thats the case
[01:39] <ebitz> ok let me fool around with that for a bit. Thanks for the help by the way
[01:40] <holstein> ebitz: you can always try the live CD to rule out your current install, and a different user to rule out your config
[01:40] <holstein> these days, with ubuntu, i find that just installing something like gnome can pull in conflicts
[01:41] <holstein> not that you shouldnt install it.. or shouldnt be able to.. you totally should, but i find things are changing so much, things break
[01:41] <ebitz> Ok, good to know
[02:35] <haven> Hi, I was logged in a little while ago under havenonearth due to problems with internet connection bugging out after a few minutes.  Taking holstein's advice, I updated everything, but I'm still running into the same problem with the internet cutting out after 5 minutes to 2 hours.
[02:36] <haven> It will actually say I still have a connection, but I can't access webpages through firefox or email through thunderbird.
[02:37] <haven> this is with the new 13.10 update, which I clean-installed to replace 12.10
[06:30] <MajorWedgie> Night all
[06:31] <cfhowlett> sez you.  only 2:30 pm here
[11:40] <zippot> bonjour j'ai un soucis de langague avec mon pc pour choisir la langue sa ne marche plus
[15:30] <Guest67753> hey guys
[15:30] <Guest67753> having trouble getting my mbox to be recognized by ardour/JACK
[15:33] <Guest67753> it shows up in JACK setup:Input/Output device as hw:MBox
[20:39] <havenonearth> hi, I spoke to holstein yesterday about internet problems when I upgraded ubuntu studio from 12.10 to 13.10.  i took the advice to download all updates, but the problems persist.  While I still show a connection to the wifi, neither the web browser nor Thunderbird work.  I don't have this problem on Win7, which I have as  a dual boot on the same laptop, and no one else in my house reports problems on their windows or mac
[20:40] <havenonearth> The online connection works for a while, but quits after a while--sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes as long as two hours.
[20:40] <havenonearth> I have to reboot to get it going again.
[20:47] <havenonearth> what other things should I look at to get to the bottom of the problem?  I'm actually on Win07 right now because internet connection on ubuntustudio 13.10 isn't reliable?
[20:51] <havenonearth> is anyone here?
[20:59] <OvenWerks> havenonearth: Have you looked at the logs to see what they say? Also, there are probably more people who know about networking on #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[20:59] <havenonearth> how do I look at the logs?
[21:01] <OvenWerks> the log file I would check first would be /var/log/syslog
[21:01] <Unit193> The command, `dmesg`, the files in /var/log/ and I'd also try to ping <IP_ADDRESS> when you fall off the map.
[21:03] <havenonearth> okay. I'm at the skill level where I need terminal commands given to me character by character.  So the command is dsmesg, then list /var/log/syslog?  and how do I ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:04] <Unit193> dmesg  is the command, and to ping that ip, you simply type   ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:05] <havenonearth> okay, I'll give it a shot.  and if I can't figure anything out from there, I'll check #xubuntu.  Thanks!
[21:06] <Unit193> As OvenWerks said, /var/log/syslog too.
[21:06] <Unit193> Bah.
[21:06] <OvenWerks> Unit193: :)
[21:07] <OvenWerks> I wonder if we should have said to use less...
[21:09] <Unit193> tail -n 91  might be better off.
[21:11] <Unit193> (Don't have to hold pgdn or something.)
[21:44] <haven> I'm talking with the #xubuntu folks re Internet issues.  Meanwhile, I also have an issue with the sound card interface.  It's changed between 12.10 and 13.10.   Depending on what I'm doing, I use multiple sound cards.  I rarely use the ALSA internally installed on my Asus 1015-PEM.   I have a Fiio DigiHub external USB card I use for most sound operations and I also have a Numark MixTrack Pro DJ Controller that I use with Mixxx
[21:44] <haven> when I DJ.
[21:46] <haven> Since upgrading, I've had difficulty getting the OS to use the right sound card.  E.g.  when I tell the Audio Mixer to use Digihub, which I have connected to my stereo, it might still use ALSA to play through the computer's internal speakers.  Audio Mixer seems very unreliable and I ended up not being able to use Mixxx at all for a professional DJ gig I had last Saturday night.
[21:48] <haven> It's a bit confusing, too.  AudioMixer will list the sound cards, then list most of them with the word "Playback" in front of them, and then list most of them again with the word  "Capture" in front of it.  Not quite sure what the distinction is.
[22:10] <haven> ?
[22:40] <haven> I have to leave now, but let me know if you still see me connected on IRC either as haven or havenonearth.
[23:05] <OvenWerks> havenonearth: the sound server you are talking about is pulseaudio. The SW you are using is pavucontrol.
[23:06] <OvenWerks> PA thinks in sinks and sources. You can turn the internal card right off which may make things easier becasue it woulxd nforce another (your external) to be default.
[23:08] <OvenWerks> Normally what would happen is that hw:0,0 (your internal card) would be default. You may need to set your USB audio to default at each boot


[00:09] <napzter> Hi Guys....
[00:17] <napzter> hellooo any body there?
[00:19] <Flannel> Howdy napzter
[00:22] <napzter> hi Flannel, Im planning to market Ubuntu in our school and give some freebies to our members can I do that, ask Ubuntu to give me a 50 to 200 pcs of CD? the event will be  documented.
[00:23] <Flannel> napzter: You can ask shipit yeah.  However you may also want to look into asking your LoCo team for support.  I'm sure they'll be very interested in getting on board.
[00:24] <napzter> hmmmmmmm..... my loco team website seems to be injected by javascript or something, xscript,.? hehehhehe ive been redirecting to somewhere else...
[00:25] <Flannel> napzter: Which Team?
[00:26] <napzter> here's our site = http://www.ubuntu-ph.org/
[00:28] <Flannel> napzter: You can try #ubuntu-ph, or http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=303 or https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ph
[00:29] <napzter> wow Thanks,  for the info Flannel


[00:12] <billybigrigger> mornin?
[12:27] <billybigrigger> i think ubuntu might have lost my laptop to gentoo :(
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:40] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, mornin
[13:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning, billybigrigger
[13:42] <billybigrigger> whats happenin
[13:44] <BluesKaj> not much , trying to restore the windows rules/sizing in kde , but it's not working , Kwin is borked ...and it isn't my settings this time afaik..everythings default
[13:45] <billybigrigger> not much help, i've only dabbled in kde
[13:48] <BluesKaj> well, there's only so much one can do , and if the settings don't hold , then it's gotta be Kwin
[13:48] <BluesKaj> crappy weather here, cold and grey
[13:50] <billybigrigger> beautiful sunny calgary morning here :P
[13:53] <BluesKaj>  the cool temps are a relief in some ways ...been a hot summer here
[13:55] <billybigrigger> :O
[13:55] <billybigrigger> hah i wish
[13:55] <billybigrigger> we haven't had a summer yet
[13:56] <billybigrigger> i picked a good night for an all-nighter, all weekend long big bang marathon on the comedy channel :P


[05:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:18] <ducasse> morning
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:10] <ducasse> hi lordievader, wb
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[07:13] <ducasse> good, thanks - going out to an optician appointment soon. how are you?
[07:14] <lordievader> Doing good here, doing some typing practice :)
[07:15] <ducasse> ah, are you using some software for it?
[07:17] <lordievader> ktouch, practicing colemak.
[07:19] <lordievader> By default it is quite rigid, 180 characters per minute and an accuracy of >=98% to continue to the next lesson.
[07:19] <ducasse> why colemak? i have no idea what the advantages are..
[07:20] <lordievader> The most  used letters are on the homerow, it is supposed to make your typing more efficient.
[07:21] <lordievader> Qwerty is designed to be as non-efficient as possible ;) (I'm paraphrasing)
[07:23] <ducasse> well, prevent the pins that strike the paper in a typewriter from locking, yes :)
[07:24] <ducasse> the reason i've never looked into something like dvorak is that i started typing early enough that qwerty has 'always' been in muscle memory
[07:24] <lordievader> Same here ;)
[07:26] <ducasse> i think i'm also too lazy to put in the effort, but i wish you good luck :)
[07:31] <lordievader> Hahaha, thanks.
[07:32] <ducasse> btw, do you use any android apps for reading ebooks? any suggestions? i see fbreader is popular, but not sure if it's worth buying.
[07:38] <lordievader> I use an ipad for reading. Don't think Marvin is available on Android.
[07:39] <ducasse> no, i've heard about it but don't think it is. i'll try out fbreader with ads and see how it looks.
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> afternoon guys
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> found new artful bug
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> #1715604
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> bug 1715604
[10:30] <ubot5`> bug 1715604 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update-manager does not expand details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715604
[10:35] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:01] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj
[11:01] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: playing with artful on business desktop here
[11:13] <BluesKaj> right, how is it so far, using gnome a I presume?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: for me, fantastic yes in gnome with dash to dock fork
[11:14] <BluesKaj> dock fork?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: http://imgur.com/a/nWNk4
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: they forked the addon and added by default to have a more 'unity' feeling
[11:15] <BluesKaj> ahh
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so thank god its not only the activities button alone anymore
[11:17] <BluesKaj> I went back to VDs on kde/plasma, activities was too clunky and slow
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you got chromium installed on artful?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> i got keyring unlock password every time i launch chromium
[11:27] <ducasse> i have chromium, yes, but i haven't seen that. probably because i don't have they keyring daemon running ;)
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> aha
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows about mms stuff?
[14:52] <daftykins> picture messaging? :) the tech that nobody wanted
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: have a customer that gets a timeout when receiving or sending a pic tru mms
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> doublechecked all APN settings with a provider tech
[14:52] <daftykins> with what kind of phone?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> samsung galaxy a3 2017
[14:53] <daftykins> hmm i'd say it was the telcos problem to support
[14:53] <ducasse> ask the provider to send him the profile again?
[14:53] <daftykins> eh you just key 'em in manually
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: could it be that his activation of new sim is recently done?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> from yesterday
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: provider made a new ticket also
[14:54] <daftykins> nah if mobile data works i'd have thought MMS would work... but who uses MMS? :)
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lol, those who refuse to send pics tru email/wifi
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> he's 60 y old, that explains it?
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> oldskool paying is better right :p
[14:57] <daftykins> there's always the ol' customary reboot after editing settings i suppose
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah we tryed that too
[14:57] <daftykins> much sooner use whatsapp and send pics and messages for free
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: webpage from provider also says to send 1 mms to own number to activate
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> but that also timeouts
[15:03] <ducasse> i'd talk to the provider, there's not much you can do anyway
[15:03] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah ill do that, ticket is being made anyways
[15:03] <ducasse> give 'em hell!
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> of course, customer complains his old nokia could send mms no probs
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> so i said, it was another provider also..
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> cant generalize things like that
[15:04] <daftykins> yes and his old morse code generator could function on the telegraph pretty well too
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:04] <daftykins> :>
[15:10] <ducasse> .---. -....-.  -.--. .---.  ..--.- --- -.--.- -..-. .---. -....-....-.-...-.-
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> ... --- ...
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> S.O.S.
[15:22] <ducasse> another idea, convert his images to ascii then send those as sms
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> i still got a tamtam here
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> and send smoke messages over tha mountains
[15:23] <daftykins> :>
[15:23] <daftykins> given 160 characters per message how many messages would a 640x480 black and white pic require to send? :>
[15:24] <ducasse> ok, then, compress and uuencode it
[15:26] <daftykins> i need to write a work invoice, boo
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: good luck!
[15:26] <daftykins> ;D
[15:27] <daftykins> i keep all my hours in a notepad, nice analog method
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> if its on recycled papaer its ok :p
[15:27] <daftykins> hehe, i think i bought this notepad when i was at Uni, so that's 12 years
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> thats still from a tree then :p
[15:28] <daftykins> i'm innocent, sir ;_;
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> we are the innocent victims of throw away society
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> made in china
[15:32] <ducasse> uh-oh, enemy cat outside!
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:32] <daftykins> ACTION STATIONS!
[15:32]  * daftykins dives in the cat bed
[15:33] <ducasse> gone now :)
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> gonna go eat croque madam guys
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one :p
[15:34] <ducasse> ok, enjoy!
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> laterz daftykins
[15:35] <daftykins> \o
[15:37] <ducasse> i think i'll play with calibre, transfer ebooks to the tablet
[16:41] <brunch> I strongly dislike gnome3
[16:42] <brunch> I miss unity :(
[16:42] <nacc> brunch: then install it?
[16:42] <daftykins> go LTS :)
[16:42] <nacc> brunch: it's still in universe
[16:42] <brunch> I'm forcing myself forward
[16:42] <brunch> but I don't feel like gnome is ready yet
[16:42] <brunch> games run like arse
[16:43] <brunch> I tried KDE, which runs smoother but I just can't wrap my head around the lack of hotkeys
[16:43] <brunch> and I'm too lazy to install some plugins to make it run like unity
[16:48] <brunch> I also miss utouch
[16:48] <brunch> hopefully snap becomes the main thing, I'm rooting for that as well
[16:49] <daftykins> happy with normal packages myself
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dunno anything about sanp
[16:52] <BluesKaj> snap even :-)
[17:06] <EriC^^> evening all
[17:06] <brunch> evening EriC^^
[17:06] <EriC^^> hey brunch
[17:15] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[18:19] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[18:19] <EriC^^> wb
[18:28] <oerheks> :-)
[18:28] <EriC^^> hey oerheks :)
[18:29] <oerheks> Hi EriC^^, just made diner, brb
[18:31] <EriC^^> cool, bon apetite :)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> was away for a few mins at the neighbourhood mailbox...junkmail and flyers are still plentiful :-)
[18:51] <BluesKaj> paper advertizing still has it's uses
[18:59] <BluesKaj> was reading about anew audio client/server called Pipewire that's supposed to replace alsa and pulse audio on fedora
[19:02] <ducasse> plus gstreamer, aiui - it's also for video. and not alsa, i think, wasn't it jack?
[19:05] <oerheks> pipewire, interesting, from the Fedora guys
[19:07] <BluesKaj> the emphasis seemed to be on audio ..video was only mentioned in passing
[19:09] <ducasse> video was the original goal according to the stuff i read. who cares, i adopt a 'wait and see' approach to this.
[19:26] <immu> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/06/20/fedora-workstation-26-and-beyond/
[19:27] <immu> https://pipewire.github.io/pipewire.org/
[19:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, it looks some kind of video/audio integration to replace pulse and gstreamer as a real media suite
[19:39] <immu> lets see
[19:39] <immu> goog nite folks
[19:39] <immu> EriC^^, hi


[10:58] <LLStarks> this is going to be fun.
[10:59] <LLStarks> going to put a quantal iso on my usb stick. give it 4gb of persistence. and then shove prime kernel and latest woring drvmodelv3 xserver commit on it.
[10:59] <LLStarks> just on the off chance that the drvmodelv3 intel ddx compiles.
[11:09] <LLStarks> i imagine this would be easier if i knew how to package and chroot properly
[16:09] <tjaalton> LLStarks: excellent, please post your findings to ubuntu-x@ as well :)
[16:12] <dzragon> solution to 120hz was easy, just disabling nvidias "force gpu-scaling" and poff! 120hz
[20:07] <LLStarks> tjaalton, didn't get very far: http://pastebin.com/9bLJpNSP
[20:08] <LLStarks> if a prime preview ppa is to be feasible for qq, airlie needs to publish stable commits for every component
[20:08] <LLStarks> building the kernel and xserver is the best i can do with zero instructions
[20:09] <tjaalton> LLStarks: thanks, it's a rocky road I bet
[20:11] <LLStarks> all the patches floating around on the mailing lists and git trees aren't much help. this is going to be test upon landing.
[20:14] <LLStarks> for the xserver, commit d381abf2655bd6752469567570e0afa572f0f0a7 is stable to build, but the ddx won't build against even with heavy cherry picking. i can't build drvmodelv3 master because airlie keeps breaking randr over and over
[20:14] <tjaalton> the log looks weird
[20:14] <tjaalton> the format
[20:15] <LLStarks> the drv stuff is supposed be the magic that attaches gpus to the screen
[20:15] <tjaalton> sure
[20:15] <tjaalton> ok it's not that weird anymore
[20:17] <LLStarks> just gonna have to sit until he pushes more commits. xserver and the intel ddx are active again after weeks of silence.
[20:18] <LLStarks> not sure when the 1.13 window is, but he looks determined to make
[20:18] <LLStarks> it
[20:20] <tjaalton> i think the merge window closes by midsummer or so
[20:21] <tjaalton> so maybe six weeks from now
[20:51] <bryce_> Sarvatt, would you add mlankhorst to xorg-edgers?
[20:51] <bryce_> Sarvatt, also make me admin of that team too
[22:13] <RAOF> bryceh: Yo!  Time for mlankhorst's induction?
[22:14] <RAOF> bryce_: We're in the bar on level 2.
[22:14] <bryce_> ok.  lemme extracate myself from this session


[00:11] <yofel> apachelogger_: bug 981898 when you get back
[09:08] <Peace-> yofel: fixed :)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hi
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[11:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: activated my ppa :D
[11:49] <BluesKaj> ok, good :) what package(s)?
[11:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: for the moment just one :D
[11:50] <Peace-> i plan to do every package for my stuff
[11:51] <BluesKaj> I see, which pkg is it , Peace- ?
[11:52] <Peace-> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~nowardev/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:54] <BluesKaj> oh right
[11:55] <bulldog98> Peace-: your naming convention isn’t right
[11:56] <bulldog98> you should use UPSTREAMVERSION-0~ppa1
[11:56] <Peace-> it was a testing package
[11:56] <bulldog98> all right
[11:56] <Peace-> just to see if lauchpad would have worked
[11:56] <bulldog98> you could also try to ask the debian guys, if they include it, but that’s a long way to go
[11:57] <Peace-> oh well i plan to do my own ppa for my personal and friends
[11:58] <Peace-> infact i have already done the kde-peace-settings hihihi
[11:58] <bulldog98> :)
[11:58] <tsimpson> technically, it should be -0ubuntu1~ppa1 (for example), because dpkg has a confusing versioning system
[11:59] <Peace-> i am doing even for vlc service menu
[11:59] <Peace-> so...
[11:59] <tsimpson> unless it already exists in debian, then <debian version>ubuntu1~ppa1, or if it has an ubuntu version -<debian version>ubuntu<ubuntu version +1>~ppa. welcome to packaging...
[12:00] <Peace-> kde-vlc-servicemenu_0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1?
[12:00] <tsimpson> if it's a new package in both debian and ubuntu, that's fine
[12:01] <Peace-> tsimpson: debian ? what is it? LOL
[12:01] <Peace-> hihih
[12:01] <tsimpson> the ~ppa1 actually makes 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 higher
[12:01] <tsimpson> dpkg --compare-versions  will become your friend :)
[12:01]  * Peace- saves command
[12:02] <tsimpson> for instance: dpkg --compare-versions 0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 lt 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 && echo true || echo false
[12:02] <tsimpson> (which should echo "true")
[12:03] <Peace-> good
[12:07]  * Peace- saves what tsimpson has said .. would become usefull
[12:07] <Peace-> will*
[14:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: btw have you uploaded the calligra translations?
[14:14] <yofel> bulldog98: calligra-l10n is up from what I see
[14:14] <bulldog98> yofel: hm calligra is fully untranslated here
[14:15] <bulldog98> and at the translations page the German is completly empty
[14:15] <yofel> hm, lemme check when it was uploaded, before or after the fixed l10n setup
[14:15] <bulldog98> yofel: Wed
[14:16] <bulldog98> and pkg-kde--ools was uploaded at Thu
[14:17] <bulldog98> yofel: it was 3h before the fix was uploaded
[14:17] <yofel> hm, calligra itself rebuilt though
[14:17] <yofel> so at least the pots should've been imported on launchpad
[14:17] <bulldog98> yofel: yes they are, but no translation
[14:18] <bulldog98> except the translation provided by the launchpad team, which is not the way it should be
[14:19] <yofel> bulldog98: best ask dpm if you need to re-upload the translations for that
[14:19] <bulldog98> dpm: do we need to re-upload the translation for calligra?
[14:19] <yofel> he's not here
[14:20] <yofel> hm, not online right now
[14:21] <bulldog98> hm it’s we
[15:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: calligra probably needs a language pack export
[15:30] <Riddell> ask dpm for details when he's around
[15:30] <bulldog98> Riddell: the translation in lp isn’t uptodate
[15:34] <Riddell> bulldog98: that's surprising since the templates never existed before the most recent upload
[15:34] <Riddell> bulldog98: hmm maybe the l10n needs uploaded again
[15:35] <Riddell> I might just do that for luck
[15:36] <Riddell> ScottK: calligra-l10n uploaded should you be around for approval
[16:23] <Darkwing> Who did the graphics on the website?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> sheytan, I think
[16:34] <Darkwing> hmmz, I think the main graphic needs to be re-worked.
[16:34] <Darkwing> Then again...
[16:34] <Darkwing> Riddell: ping
[16:43] <Riddell> Darkwing: hi
[16:45] <Darkwing> Riddell: Care for a PM
[16:45] <Darkwing> ?
[17:00] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll llok.
[17:03] <ScottK> look even
[17:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.  I uploaded python-qt4 to precise-proposed with a fix to the dbus mainloop problem the Ubuntu One guys have been having.  We'll need to get them to test and then we'll have to decide if it goes in -release or -updates.
[17:05] <ScottK> It should also fix quite a number of PyKDE related issues as well.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: I didn't realize you grew a beard :P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> KDevelop 4.3.1 ready to be packaged
[18:09]  * shadeslayer packages
[18:11] <snele> shadeslayer: are you the maintainer of kde telepathy ppa?
[18:12] <shadeslayer> snele: kind of
[18:12] <shadeslayer> requesting 0.3.1 ?
[18:12] <snele> well, kind of :)
[18:13] <snele> I just wanted to know do you plan to update it to 0.3.1?ž
[18:14] <shadeslayer> hmm ... I'll look into it
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Can't give a ETA atm
[18:14] <snele> ok. thank you.
[18:15] <snele> no need to hury. when you have spare time :)
[18:15] <snele> thanks again
[18:15] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:20] <Daskreech> What's in 0.3.1 ?
[18:20] <Daskreech> Is there a set of release notes?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: mostly bug fixes
[18:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Also should we shove 0.3.1 into precise.  Since it's in Universe now we still could.
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I'll look into the changelog and confirm if we want it in the archives ( Most likely going to be a yes from my side )
[18:25] <micahg> Bug #982450
[18:25] <ScottK> OK.
[18:25] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[18:26] <Daskreech> ScottK: \o/
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should we get this into the archives ? https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/office/kile/repository/revisions/6d16356f0fe8a7ecc64c823a93536fdfef18b3cf/diff
[19:06] <shadeslayer> It takes care of the utf8 issue with kile
[19:08] <Ezim> will kubuntu 12.04 have later on kde 4.8.3/4.8.4 and so on?
[19:09] <Daskreech> Ezim: Dpm
[19:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Seems worthwhile.
[19:09] <ScottK> Ezim: Yes.
[19:09] <Daskreech> Ezim: I don't see wy not. That's been true for every release of Kubuntu
[19:09] <ScottK> Daskreech: Not every.
[19:09] <ScottK> Lucid and later plus Intrepid.
[19:10] <Daskreech> Well since we had PPas
[19:10] <Ezim> thx
[19:10] <ScottK> No.  We had PPAs since Hardy.
[19:10] <Ezim> I am glad that we have new sponsor after 12.04
[19:11] <Ezim> that will make things easier. i hope they will keep supporting us.
[19:11] <ScottK> It's since upstream adopted an bug fixes only policy for point releases (from KDE4) and since we got permission from the tech board.
[19:11] <ScottK> (with Intrepid/4.1 as a special exception because it really needed it)
[19:11] <Daskreech> I'm glad you think of Kubuntu in terms of We :)
[19:12] <Ezim> Daskreech, I think every one that do something for kubuntu should feel that way.
[19:14] <swecarp> Ezim,  even i say we but i just report anny bugs that i can find
[19:14] <Ezim> swecarp, +1
[19:14] <Ezim> :)
[19:21]  * Daskreech hugs swecarp and Ezim
[19:23] <swecarp> ty Daskreech
[19:24] <GirlyGirl> Hey no hugging in the channel
[19:25]  * koolhead17 laughs
[19:25] <swecarp> GirlyGirl,  u jellous
[19:25] <GirlyGirl> Anyone else seen the new plymouth splash in 12.04 ... seems like we are moving from blues to grays
[19:26] <BluesKaj> cmake isn't working here , trying to install git konverstaion , claims it can't find the compiler in the default path , but the compiler is definitely there
[19:27] <GirlyGirl> What's so special about git konversation?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, yeah i have the dreary grey one
[19:27] <BluesKaj> it's upposed to have new options that 1.4 doesn't
[19:28] <BluesKaj> supposed
[19:28] <yofel> BluesKaj: did you run 'sudo apt-get build-dep konversation' ?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> no I'm installing from git , yofel
[19:29] <yofel> well, the build-deps will be about the same
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll give that a try , thanks yofel
[19:31] <GirlyGirl> swecarp: I'm not jealous but hugging really belongs in the #kubuntu-hugs channel
[19:32] <yofel> can we please not create even more channels...? It's fine to hug here, it's weekend after all
[19:32] <ScottK> Yes.  Please.  No moar channels.
[19:32] <GirlyGirl> It was a joke. Besides that channel doesn't exist
[19:32] <ScottK> Probably does now.
[19:32]  * Daskreech hugs GirlyGirl
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, Unable to locate package build-dep , do i need a repos/ppa
[19:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: build-dep is an apt-get command
[19:35] <yofel> i.e. apt-get build-dep, not apt-get install build-dep
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , so i thought , but ... ?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[19:36] <Peace-> kde-vlc-servicemenu uploaded
[19:36] <Peace-> xD
[19:36] <Daskreech> Any chan that has apachelogger is a huggy chan
[19:43] <swecarp> ist u ppl that are working with telepathy
[19:45] <Daskreech> swecarp: Hmm ?
[19:45] <Peace-> seems german
[19:46] <swecarp> Daskreech,  what
[19:49] <Daskreech> swecarp: which people working with telepathy ?
[19:49] <swecarp> the kubuntu develepors i mean
[19:50] <Daskreech> They work with anyone who wants to be worked with :)
[19:50] <yofel> swecarp: shadeslayer has a ppa for it, and we gave it some testing during beta, but the telepathy devs are in #kde-telepathy
[19:50] <yofel> 12.10 should use telepathy by default
[19:50]  * shadeslayer missed stuff
[19:51] <swecarp> ty yofel
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: bug 772631 was quite fascinating to read :D
[19:52] <yofel> hmpf
[19:52] <yofel> who the hell puts table metadata into pngs...
[19:52] <yofel> oh right, they do
[19:53] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:54] <nigelb> lol
[19:54] <shadeslayer> they also use stupid utf8x latex packages which require you to install about ~200 megs of texlive-latex-extra
[19:55] <shadeslayer> atleast they fixed that upstream
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: New kile is here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kile_2.1.0-1ubuntu2~ppa2.dsc
[20:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Then on to KDE telepathy.  I think we promised them 0.3.1 would get in.
[20:05] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:05] <shadeslayer> I'm doing KDevelop right now though
[20:05] <shadeslayer> will look at KTP over the next week if time permits
[20:06]  * shadeslayer looks at schedule
[20:06] <ScottK> We're running out of time.
[20:08] <shadeslayer> bah, ktp has too many modules for me to do alone, I need someone to help then
[20:16] <ScottK> yofel: Can you help with ktp?
[20:17] <yofel> unlikely, I'll be rather busy this week
[20:17] <ScottK> Maybe bambee_.
[20:18] <ScottK> apachelogger_: shadeslayer is apparently in need of a minion.
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ah yes, a minion will do just fine
[20:19] <Ezim> guys you now any linux chat client that support msn videochat?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> emesen?
[20:21] <Ezim> BluesKaj, dont think so. not last time I tried.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> err emesene
[20:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:23] <BluesKaj> empathy, Ezim
[20:23] <Ezim> BluesKaj, for the moment of the instant messenger no one support
[20:23] <Ezim> I have tried should be added.
[20:23] <Ezim> BluesKaj, are you sure?
[20:24] <Ezim> last time I tried empathy it did not work also
[20:25] <BluesKaj> Ezim,, well it claims to work in it's desciption
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you also follow up on http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=221&t=101449 ?
[20:27] <Ezim> BluesKaj, http://blogs.gnome.org/xclaesse/2011/12/19/updates-on-xmpp-support-in-msn/
[20:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: that looks to me as if libqt4-sql-sqlite isn't installed - and our kexi doesn't seem to even suggest it
[20:29] <shadeslayer> fun
[20:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: OR the reporter means it doesn't work at all - which shouldn't be the case
[20:30] <shadeslayer> The report is pretty incomplete tbh
[20:31] <yofel> pinotree and svuorela were talking about sqlite and kexi for their packages yesterday on oftc
[20:32] <BluesKaj> Ezim, have you tried windows live on your browser ...dunno if it works , I don't do video chat with msn , google chat works for us
[20:33] <Ezim> BluesKaj, does not support.
[20:34] <BluesKaj> what doesn't support ?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> ok Ezim nm
[21:03] <shadeslayer> KDevelop testers needed : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[21:37] <Daskreech> Ezim: None are supporting it MS justreceently locked them out
[22:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kile uploaded.
[22:10] <shadeslayer> \o/
[22:11] <ScottK> Now kde telepathy.


[12:58] <leprasmurf> that's the problem, the computer is offline, I'm transferring files by thumbdrive
[12:59] <LaserJock> leprasmurf: you should be able to see where that install-css.sh script get the file from
[01:00] <leprasmurf> I don't have that file
[01:02] <leprasmurf> I was able to find a debian package for libdvdread3, but totem doesn't seem to want to use it
[01:02] <leprasmurf> so I tried to install mplayer, and I'm getting gmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libmad.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:04] <LaserJock> yeah, you need libmad0
[01:04] <LaserJock> I think
[01:04] <leprasmurf> how do I get it?
[01:05] <LaserJock> what version of edubuntu? 6.10?
[01:05] <leprasmurf> yes
[01:06] <leprasmurf> but it's offline and I am transferring via thumbdrive
[02:40] <kri1> elo
[02:41] <kri1> how can i find info about my hardware configuration?
[02:41] <kri1> is there such system option or do i need to download some software (name)
[02:44] <kri> please help if you can it is important for me
[02:44] <kri> to me
[02:47] <LaserJock> what do you want exactly?
[02:47] <LaserJock> to know what kind of hardware you have?
[02:59] <kri> yes LaserJock
[02:59] <kri> processor graphic card hard drive parameters
[03:00] <kri> how can i obtain hardware info
[03:00] <kri> or does not linux know it:
[03:02] <LaserJock> well, try System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information
[03:10] <kri> nixternal: are you there?
[03:10] <krisu> this is my real name
[03:11] <kriss> this is it
[03:11] <kriss> or
[03:11] <kri1> hmmm
[03:11] <kri1> IP matters
[03:16] <belzebub> this is my name
[03:16] <belzebub> no
[03:16] <belzebub> what is my name?
[03:16] <belzebub> jak ja sie nazywam
[03:17] <groov1> nick grown
[03:17] <groov1> :-)
[03:18] <groovedreamer> such long word
[03:18] <dreamer> what is my name
[03:21] <HrqaXA80> welcome
[04:26] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[04:29] <sbalneav> Hello Burgundavia
[04:50] <sbalneav> Wow, I like F-spot a whole lot more now that I know the metadata's in sqlite3 format.
[04:51] <sbalneav> Makes group-tagging pictures a lot easier with a sql update statement :)
[04:53] <Burgundavia> heh
[05:10] <WaxyFresh> im running dapper,none of my apt related software is working.could this be caused by me acidently installing a proxy or something?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> what is the error message?'
[05:13] <WaxyFresh> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg
[05:13] <WaxyFresh>   Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[05:14] <WaxyFresh> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release.gpg  Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[05:14] <WaxyFresh> etc
[05:16] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:17] <Burgundavia> what was teh last thing you were doing that related to networking?
[05:19] <WaxyFresh> nothing for a while,i upgraded today
[05:20] <WaxyFresh> but i updated my sources.list after the problem from source-o-matic
[05:20] <WaxyFresh> this happed before and caused me to reinstall
[05:20] <WaxyFresh> i had tor installed but i uninstalled it to make sure it wasent the problem
[05:21] <Burgundavia> right, that looks like a dns resolution issue
[05:21] <WaxyFresh> is there a way to check to see if im behind a proxy?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> can you ping out?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> try google and the archive
[05:22] <WaxyFresh> can you give me a random ip to ping?
[05:22] <Burgundavia> try www.google.com fist
[05:22] <Burgundavia> frist
[05:23] <WaxyFresh> \--- google.com ping statistics ---
[05:23] <WaxyFresh> 11 packets transmitted, 11 received, 0% packet loss, time 10112ms
[05:23] <WaxyFresh> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 81.264/83.198/85.608/1.125 ms
[05:28] <WaxyFresh> cant find anything on google abouite how to tell if im behind a firewall/proxy
[05:33] <sbalneav> Make sure you haven't defined a proxy in your /etc/apt/apt.conf, or apt.conf.d folders.
[05:41] <WaxyFresh> sbalneav: where would that be in the folders?
[05:42] <sbalneav> Dont know.  Do you have an apt.conf in /etc/apt ?
[05:42] <sbalneav> Or just the apt.conf.d?
[05:42] <WaxyFresh> just .d
[05:42] <WaxyFresh> and a sources.list.d
[05:43] <WaxyFresh> apt.conf.d*
[05:43] <sbalneav> ok
[05:43] <sbalneav> cd apt.conf.d
[05:43] <sbalneav> and grep -i proxy *
[05:45] <WaxyFresh> r00t@sleepless:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ grep -i proxy *
[05:45] <WaxyFresh> r00t@sleepless:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$
[05:45] <WaxyFresh> nothing
[05:46] <sbalneav> Where are you trying to do the upgrade from?  The command line, or the update tool?
[05:46] <WaxyFresh> niether works,but the command line
[05:47] <WaxyFresh> 00t@sleepless:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ sudo apt-get update
[05:47] <WaxyFresh> Err http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release.gpg
[05:47] <WaxyFresh>   Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[05:49] <sbalneav> cd /etc/apt
[05:49] <sbalneav> grep -r 4001 *
[05:52] <WaxyFresh> nothing
[05:59] <WaxyFresh>  										 											Proxy: 								 								 									 										No Proxy or Invisible Proxy Used
[06:01] <WaxyFresh> from whatsmyip.org
[06:14] <WaxyFresh> theres a lil more info on my problem at:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2414723#post2414723
[06:41] <WaxyFresh> anyone ahve any ideas on where i should look for more info on my problem?
[03:00] <march> hi@all
[03:02] <march>  I'm trying to write an article for our Wiki about schooltool. I've already installed Edubuntu in VirtualBox. Does there exist a Tutorial how this program can be used? I've already searched the www but I could only find rare informations.
[03:05] <juliux> hi march
[03:05] <march> hi juliux :)
[03:06] <juliux> march, try to ask in #schooltool ;)
[03:06] <march> i've already asked there but nobody replied :)
[03:12] <march> juliux: have a nice weekend. Perhaps we'll meet on monday :) Frohe Ostern :D
[03:12] <march> c you
[03:45] <kenthomson> Namaste!
[03:45] <kenthomson> HELP; I have Ubuntu 6.10 installed. And i want to netboot a Thin-Client via a cross-over Ethernet cable. Can you tell me the modules i will need to install to make my ubuntu system function like a edubuntu system?
[03:46] <kenthomson> Anyone....?
[03:47] <kenthomson> someone please help
[03:48] <kenthomson> IS NO ONE HERE???
[03:52] <kenthomson> You dissapoint me, greatly!
[05:11] <frandavid100> hello!
[05:12] <frandavid100> I'm trying to run ubuntu -not edubuntu- as a thin-client server, but I get a "no file" error when I boot the other computer
[05:12] <frandavid100> is there something I need to install or run besides student-control-panel?
[05:19] <frandavid100> someone there?
[08:28] <knix_> hello all.  I recently lost sound.  Sound do i get it back?
[08:29] <knix_> How do i get it back?*
[10:21] <_dennis_> hi, i'm looking for a decent program to learn spanish, i tried kverbos, but is there a good program to learn vocabulary


 @Ivoriesablaze you know there is a person in your discord room
 I'm almost to stuart
 There is?
 Yep
 @RazPi - Where are you heading to now?
 @KMyers I was just wandering aimlessly. I needed to clear my head
 I need to give that a try soon, about to burn out at work
 Have not really taken any time off from work this year - aside from the trip to SELF
 If you wanna I'm game
 Been considering something like camping
 I think I want to try something low tech like camping when the weather starts to cool down a bit
 I'd be up for that
 You'd bring the hotspot, though, right?
 It is just too hot right now
 Gotta prep for a meeting
 I have Keith's hitspot atm
 .net interop is suddenly becoming more of a necessity for me lately
 That's because you're programming for Windows.
 Using C#?
[20:20] <maxolase1squad> People are often surprised when they find out I'm a developer and never have to touch Windows systems.
[20:20] <maxolase1squad> A benefit of doing web development I suppose.
 @AdamOutler Yeah I have to munge between C++ and C# a lot lately
 and I'm looking into improving a bot of mine that sits on top of a .net library so I'd need to make it work fine with mono
 Also I really recommend this game to everyone http://store.steampowered.com/app/447530/
 Keith especially
 @KMyers
 I'm loving this game
[21:37] <roaksoax> /que/win 17


[01:44] <Specctre> Anyone have a fix for wallpaper changing back to default occasionally?  Seems to mostly happen after a shutdown/reboot.  It's rather annoying.
[01:51] <kubuntubobzilla> Hi specctre!
[01:52]  * Specctre waves
[09:33] <lexandrop> !update
[11:01] <Roggen> Hey guys, I am currently trying to get v22 on my surface go 3
[11:01] <Roggen> I had installed it on the main drive, but it won't boot from it..
[11:49] <heathcliff> Greetings! Have anyone met an issue where on a machine with 2 NICs' the configured ip will jump between the two? (OFC i set each netwotk config to be restricted to a specific NIC.)
[11:59] <tomreyn> i can see three possible causes: (1) not using the predictable network interface naming scheme, (2) using the predictable network interface naming scheme, (3) using a HA setup such as vrrp where the IP address is switched between systems and interfaces when one seems to have become unavailable.
[11:59] <tomreyn> heathcliff: ^
[12:00] <heathcliff> used the gui to set it so the default naming scheme is used, no HA
[12:00] <heathcliff> also have static mapping in the router
[12:12] <tomreyn> "default naming scheme" being "predictable network interface names"?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:56] <heathcliff> @tomreyn: i think so, enp6s0 and enp7s0........
[12:57] <heathcliff> but truenas has its logs filled up by arp messages complaining about one of the IP's of this PC changing mac address every 10 or so minutes....
[13:02] <heathcliff> (between the two NIC's MAC address)
 Hi all anyone knows how to fix this not upgraded thing?
[14:13] <tomreyn> Omar: do you think anyone could actually respond to a question without any detail?
[14:17] <tomreyn> heathcliff: that's strange indeed. it's not a conflict with a different computer / NIC for sure? i don't know much about trueNAS, though, for all we know it could be just a bug in how it detects ip address conflicts.
[14:18] <tomreyn> heathcliff: you could also look into kubuntu's    ip -s l   and see whether there are any "errors  dropped carrier collsns" for those links
[14:19] <tomreyn> (on transmit, TX)
[14:28] <heathcliff> tomreyn: collision is very unlikely, every single device i own has a static ip set at the router's dhcp server, guest devices have their own network with a wildly different address.....
[16:04] <mybalzitch> do you need to tell it to download first?
[16:05] <oerheks> !mainline
[16:06] <oerheks> what mainline installer do you use? never seen that before
[16:20] <tomreyn> @Akshay Jr. you got some replies above
 this not upgraded : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/30defcbb/Screenshot_20220820_190622.png
[17:42] <tomreyn> Omar: show, preferrably on a pastebin-like service (such as termbin.com or dpaste.org) rather than by images: lsb_release -ds;    cat /proc/version*;    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list};    sudo apt update;    sudo apt full-upgrade -Vs;    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'
[17:43] <tomreyn> when doing so, please make sure to include any warnings and error messages
 wsl? (re @Omar: )
 I did not understand what should i do (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> Omar: show, preferrably on a pastebin-like service (such as termbin.com or dpaste.org) rather than by images: lsb_release -ds;    cat /proc/version*;    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list};    sudo apt update;    sudo apt full-upgrade -Vs;    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$')
[18:52] <oerheks> just run sudo apt update;    sudo apt full-upgrade -Vs # to install those 9 packages?
[18:52] <oerheks> or better, use the kubuntu update icon
 You might wanna try this:
 sudo apt list - - upgradable
 Suppose it lists the following packages x,y,z
 Now you may wanna try, sudo apt upgrade x,y,z (re @Omar: )
 Make sure to paste the exact package name (re @CrustyCrab55: You might wanna try this:
 sudo apt list - - upgradable
 Suppose it lists the following packages x,y,z
 Now you may wanna try, sudo apt upgrade x,y,z)


[01:33] <valorie> ooo, looks like lots got done today
[01:33] <valorie> I was hoping for applications to be done though
[05:41] <acheronuk> valorie: yes, looks like the release team took a well earned Saturday evening off.
[05:43] <valorie> yeah, all is quiet
[05:44] <valorie> I don't want them to work to exhaustion
[05:44] <valorie> I just want all our stuff in!
[05:53] <acheronuk> ditto
[05:54] <acheronuk> hopefully there will be enough about today, donating part of their sunday, to get that done :)
[05:56] <valorie> I wish I could help
[10:31] <acheronuk> from update_output.txt I *think* the final parts of frameworks are about to migrate to release, so just apps now to get unstuck in that case
[10:52] <soee> http://choqok.gnufolks.org/2016/10/choqok-1-6-released/
[11:30] <clivejo> still a lot of our packages stuck :/
[11:31] <clivejo> mostly PIM
[11:34]  * ahoneybun_ kicks desktop twitter clients out the dorr
[11:34] <ahoneybun_> *door
[11:35] <clivejo> doing a lot of kicking this morning Aaron
[11:36] <clivejo> wake up grumpy?
[11:39] <acheronuk> there is a kdepim test in progress that *might* unlock things if it passes?
[11:40] <clivejo> seems to been in progress for a very long time
[11:41] <acheronuk> Running for:	1h 26m 32s
[11:42] <clivejo> Windows updates? Just trust us, says Microsoft executive
[11:42] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[11:47] <acheronuk> clivejo: now says Test in progress (always failed)
[11:47] <acheronuk> so hopefully....
[11:49] <acheronuk> wget -q -O - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | grep Regression | sed 's/^<li>autopkgtest for \([a-z0-9-]*\).*/\1/'| sort | uniq
[11:49] <acheronuk> shows nothing of ours now that I can see
[12:34] <acheronuk> despite that, still stuck :/
[12:40] <mparillo> Final parts of FW still stuck? Which holds back apps?
[12:41] <acheronuk> mparillo: as far as I see FW is all through
[12:42] <mparillo> TY. I did not see any updates this morning.
[12:44] <acheronuk> mparillo: I had kcoreaddons and kdelibs4support update. maybe you are on a mirror that hasn't synced yet
[12:46] <ahoneybun_> idk what is broken but my system can never install lxd right
[12:48] <ahoneybun_> just picked up those updates
[12:48] <ahoneybun_> though my wifi is so bad in here for some reason
[13:04] <ahoneybun_> my phone works just fine on this wifi though
[13:28] <ahoneybun_> anyone know the DNS files?
[13:55] <santa_> clivejo: ping
[13:57] <santa_> acheronuk: I think we need a no change rebuid of kjots and zanshin to get it out of proposed
[13:59] <acheronuk> I saw those 2 repeatedly mentioned in the update_output.txt
[14:00] <acheronuk> was not sure if the current stalemate could be got past with just harder hinting or not
[14:08] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: know anything about Ubuntu's DNS settings and such?
[14:09] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: not much. just seems to work for me, so i don't fiddle with it!
[14:10] <ahoneybun> well I've been having issues with it
[14:10] <ahoneybun> when I'm not on my own network mostly
[14:10] <ahoneybun> I think my router messed with them
[14:10] <ahoneybun> somehow!
[14:11] <ahoneybun> since I saw that the DNS remote was set to it's IP once
[14:13] <acheronuk> I just tend to set my DNS to Google servers on most things and then not touch it from there. my ISPs can be slow, which is what my router defaults to
[14:15] <ahoneybun> yea but I don't know what command to run to do that since most files say don't edit them because the system will override the change anyway
[14:15]  * ahoneybun sets up a LTS machine on his other monitor
[14:15] <ahoneybun> *an
[14:18] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I don't edit any files. I just have: http://i.imgur.com/xlMCQUh.png
[14:19] <ahoneybun> never thought of that
[14:21] <acheronuk> that's on home connection. probably doesn't apply when I used the lappy elsewhere.
[14:21] <ahoneybun> I wonder why mine says "Other DNS Servers"
[14:22] <acheronuk> it just 'works' elsewhere, so I don't mess with it
[14:24] <ahoneybun> why do I keep disconnecting...
[14:28] <acheronuk> network config has never been my best thing
[15:16] <DarinMiller> kicking the tires on the release iso... everything is rock solid from usb to full install.
[15:17] <soee> \o/
[15:18] <DarinMiller> Although, something strange with 16.10: ff is v48 not v49 like 16.04...
[15:20] <acheronuk> firefox 49.0+build4-0ubuntu2 is in proposed. just clearly having trouble with the builds to get it into release I think
[15:23] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: where can I look up what's stuck in proposed?
[15:23] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[15:28] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: that list is huge!  And theoretically that should all be released prior to the final iso builds? Does not seem possible in just a few days...
 Hey hey hey, morning
 DarinMiller: some stuff depends on others
[15:29] <DarinMiller> o/ morning Simon!
[15:29] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: The KDE/kubuntu stuff should jus all migrate together if we can just unblock one or 2 things
[15:30] <acheronuk> the stuff belonging to other parts of ubuntu, well that is their problem. I guess much is a wish list rather than essential to go in, so can be survived without.
[15:31] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: how are you able narrow down to just few depends from such a large list?
[15:34] <acheronuk> you have to get good at reading and interpreting the update_output.txt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[15:34] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: Do you just manullay review the depends: section of each kde related app?
[15:36] <acheronuk> no, as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration there is output from the migration scripts that can tell you what is holding things back and why.
[15:37] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: refresh and scroll to the bottom of ProposedMigration ;)
[15:38] <acheronuk> lol. the one liner Mirv gave me :)
[15:40] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: refresh again. credit given. :P
[15:41] <acheronuk> :D
[15:42] <acheronuk> now just need one that tell you why all you "valid candidates" are still STUCK!
[15:43] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: with the amount of packages that we have, we should get a full OpenStack and Britney setup like the Ubuntu archive and have a nice little setup like that. :P
[15:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: we could tweak it so that backports-landing is proposed, and backports is release :P
[15:45] <acheronuk> my list of things we *should* do if we had the time, people, or resources, is getting scarily long.
[15:45] <tsimonq2> yeah
[16:14] <clivejo> santa_: pong for a a wee while
[16:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: both Kubuntu *and* Lubuntu ship with Firefox, so it's a priority of mine to get it good to go ;)
 Clive, I think we need a couple of no change rebuilds: kjots and zanshin
[16:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: just asked Chris in #ubuntu-release what the deal is, awaiting a response atm
 I think that will unblock our stuff in proposed
[16:16] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you haz pong ^
[16:16] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I run with the firefox-next/beta ppa enabled, so to be honest I had not noticed it was out of date in the main repo
[16:16] <tsimonq2> ahh ok
[16:17] <acheronuk> I saw it in excuses, but didn't really clock the versions
[16:17] <clivejo> @Santa can I just request a rebuild somewhere or have to do an new upload ?
 If they are in the kubuntu packageset you could do it
[16:19] <clivejo> kjots looks like its synced from Debian
[16:19] <clivejo> and not in my list of packages I can upload
 What about zanshin?
[16:20] <clivejo> its in my list
 Ok, can you make a no change rebuild of it?
[16:21] <clivejo> looks like its also auto-synced
[16:21] <clivejo> Copied from debian sid in Primary Archive for Debian GNU/Linux by Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync (sponsored by Ubuntu Archive Robot)
[16:21] <acheronuk> does release team concur that they will fix the blockage if rebuilt?
[16:24] <ScottK> Best to just upload and let them review it in the que.
[16:43] <CRogers> Hi everyone.
[16:44] <CRogers> Was directed here from the #kubuntu channel.
[16:44] <CRogers> I've made a clean-geometric version of your new Kubuntu logo.
[16:44] <CRogers> I will post a temp link to it for our use, if you like.
[16:44] <CRogers> *your
[16:51] <acheronuk> CRogers: post your link and we can have a look
[16:51] <CRogers> Thanks. Just asking permission first, so I don't get booted for posting links. :)
[16:51] <CRogers> http://whitecatgraphics.com/opendesignstudio/free_graphics/kubuntu/kubuntu_gear_logo_fix.svg
[16:52] <CRogers> Compare to your current resource: https://share.kde.org/index.php/s/SIWf0sCpDIpQt1K/download?path=%2F&files=Kubuntu_logo.svg
[16:52] <CRogers> (you can use browser-zoom to see the difference.
[16:53] <acheronuk> I saw from #kubuntu that you have straightened out the oddly curved portions of the gear teeth
[16:53] <CRogers> I believe your original was auto-traced with a low-res bitmap.
[16:54] <CRogers> Which produces the somewhat irregular lines/corners.
[16:54] <acheronuk> I like yours better, but I have nothing to do with the artwork side, so I'll have to leave it to others on that
[16:54] <CRogers> It's merely a reconstruction of the original.
[16:55] <CRogers> Feel free to "patch" your current version with it. :)
[16:55] <CRogers> I made it to accompany some requested wallpaper.
[16:55] <tsimonq2> CRogers: could you send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>CCing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with what you just told us?
[16:56] <CRogers> Sure.
[16:56] <CRogers> Here's the wallpaper I made with it featured, btw (if anyone else wants it)
[16:56] <CRogers> http://whitecatgraphics.com/opendesignstudio/free_graphics/wallpaper/penguin_background_aqua_kubuntu_1920x1080.png
[16:57] <mparillo> acheronuk: You were right. I just got libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kdelibs4support-data libkf5kdelibs4support5 libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin
[16:57] <tsimonq2> wow, that's nice CRogers :D
[16:57] <tsimonq2> CRogers: include that in the email?
[16:57] <CRogers> Sure. :) And thanks!
[16:58] <CRogers> If anyone wants a dif resolution, just ask.
[16:58] <CRogers> I have it loaded into Inkscape, ready to output at any resolution.
[16:58] <acheronuk> 1920x1200 :P
[16:59] <acheronuk> if you have a sec
[17:01] <acheronuk> mparillo: great. now we just need the rest of the apps :/
[17:04] <acheronuk> wow. a lot of debian syncs coming up in release. I thought WE left it late!
[17:04] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I was just thinking the same thing lol
[17:05] <CRogers> acheronuk, sure, no problem: http://whitecatgraphics.com/opendesignstudio/free_graphics/wallpaper/penguin_background_aqua_kubuntu_1920x1200.png
[17:06] <CRogers> Hmm, wonder if I could script imagemagick to do this for me. lol
[17:06] <CRogers> Would save server space... yes, yes I think that's the way to go.
[17:07] <CRogers> Why didn't I think of that before? :P
[17:10] <acheronuk> CRogers: :) http://i.imgur.com/TuAemJb.jpg
[17:12] <ScottK> CRogers: also, please indicate the license for your work in the mail as well (needs to be a free license, e.g. no non-commercial).
[17:12] <CRogers> Ah yes, I always forget.
[17:12] <CRogers> is cc0 okay?
[17:13] <CRogers> Problem is, it's a derivative work, based on your logo.
[17:13] <CRogers> So I really have no (c) claim at all to it.
[17:14] <ScottK> You could say "derivative of .... Licensed on the same terms as the original".
[17:15] <ScottK> You do have copyright over any creative aspects of your transformation, so best to be explicit.
[17:15] <ScottK> CRogers: ^^^
[17:15] <CRogers> Okay. I'd rather waive all my rights to it. lol
[17:16] <CRogers> so cc0 works nicely for that.
[17:26] <blaze> acheronuk: this screenshot gave me strong 2007 feeling :)
[17:27] <acheronuk> blaze: reminds me of mandriva times.....
[17:28] <blaze> yep, kind of
[17:36] <ScottK> CRogers: not all jurisdictions allow you to relinquish all your rights.
[17:36] <CRogers> I believe all jurisdictions allow me to donate work.
[17:37] <CRogers> in which case, the rights are transfered.
[17:37] <CRogers> However, if there's some magic legal encantation I can recite to officially transfer it, I'm happy to.
[17:50] <CRogers> My current location is the United Kingom (London) if that helps.
[17:52] <CRogers> Made with Inkscape, so not even the software manufacturer can claim rights over it. :)
[18:06] <clivejo> CRogers: some nice work there
[18:07] <clivejo> do you know about the new KDE Store?
[18:08] <clivejo> CRogers: you could upload your wallpapers to the store - https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/287/ord/latest/
[18:12] <clivejo> and please do send emails to both the devel and kc mailing lists
[18:13] <clivejo> ScottK: can I upload a package thats synced from Debian?
[18:14] <CRogers> clivejo, Cool, thanks for the tips.
[18:14] <clivejo> CRogers: do you enjoy helping with this kind of work?
[18:14] <CRogers> clivejo, Yep. :)
[18:15] <CRogers> Why, you need some graphics?
[18:15] <clivejo> well the podcast team might be interested
[18:15] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: CRogers here is a graphics designer
[18:16] <clivejo> CRogers: sick_rimmit ahoneybun and ovidiuflorin are the guys who do our Podcast
[18:17] <CRogers> That would be Rick. :)
[18:17] <clivejo> indeed
[18:17] <CRogers> Yes, he asked me if I'd like to interview for the podcast.
[18:17] <clivejo> they also look after the website
[18:17] <CRogers> I assume as a geust speaker.
[18:18] <CRogers> *guest
[18:18] <blaze> good stuff
[18:18] <clivejo> oh so they must know about you :)
[18:19] <CRogers> Yes, Rick's request is the reason I re-hashed the Kubuntu logo
[18:19] <clivejo> hi blaze :)
[18:19] <blaze> hi clivejo
[18:19] <clivejo> thanks for fixing the installer
[18:19] <CRogers> Not request for podcast, but rather he asked for a kubuntu variant of the wallpaper.
[18:21] <clivejo> CRogers: what OS do you use yourself?
[18:21] <CRogers> Currently Ubuntu 16.04 with GNOME.
[18:22] <clivejo> do you use Krita?
[18:22] <CRogers> Yes.
[18:22] <sick_rimmit> Hello
[18:22]  * sick_rimmit waves
[18:23] <tsimonq2> sick_rimmit: hello! :D
[18:23] <tsimonq2> sick_rimmit: how are you? :D
[18:23] <CRogers> hi sick_rimmit
[18:23] <sick_rimmit> All good here, is all well with ahoneybun ?
[18:23] <CRogers> Nice anagram, btw
[18:23] <sick_rimmit> lol
[18:24] <sick_rimmit> hi CRogers
[18:24] <CRogers> ;)
[18:24] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: he was kicking you on Telegram this morning
[18:24] <clivejo> so I assume hes ok
[18:24] <sick_rimmit> I' ve been away from my devices today
[18:25] <clivejo> thats what Telegram is for!
[18:25] <sick_rimmit> Oh good, I know it's been a touch windy, and I wondered if he needed to borrow an unbrella
[18:25] <clivejo> he was having wifi trouble
[18:25] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes but my wife shouts at me "Will you put the phone down!!"
[18:26] <CRogers> hehehe
[18:26] <sick_rimmit> Ah CRogers, yes I saw the wallpaper and asked for 2 copies
[18:26] <clivejo> CRogers: what version of Krita so you use?
[18:26] <CRogers> Using 3.0 app image
[18:26] <CRogers> which is the latest release.
[18:27] <sick_rimmit> I thought it was really excellent wallpaper
[18:27] <clivejo> good stuff!!
[18:27] <CRogers> sick_rimmit, yes, hopefully you got my reply on g+
[18:27] <sick_rimmit> Cosa Buenas
[18:27] <sick_rimmit> Ah I saw some, but been away most of the day
[18:27]  * sick_rimmit goes off to check G+
[18:27] <tsimonq2> sick_rimmit: *cosas
[18:28] <clivejo> !en | tsimonq2
[18:28] <CRogers> busted! lol
[18:29] <clivejo> :P
[18:29] <tsimonq2> !es | clivejo
[18:29] <CRogers> hahaha
[18:29] <CRogers> excalation.
[18:29] <clivejo> if I spoke Spainish I certainly would go there, but I dont!
[18:29] <CRogers> hehehe
[18:30]  * clivejo waits for it
[18:30] <ScottK> clivejo: if it's in the packageset, yes. If it's a no change upload make the revision build1 vice ubuntu1.
[18:30] <tsimonq2> clivejo: *Spanish
[18:31] <clivejo> tsimonq2: is like our channel spelling corrector and grammor police
[18:31] <ScottK> That's treated specially so it will be autosynched over.
[18:31] <acheronuk> clivejo: seems it is the library bumps of those ABI break packages that is causing zanshin and kjots to break
[18:31] <clivejo> I'm bit nervous doing that
[18:32] <clivejo> someone with more permissions than I need to do kjots
[18:32] <tsimonq2> clivejo: *grammar
[18:32]  * clivejo pets tsimonq2, theres a good spelling bot
[18:33] <ScottK> Is kjots on the ISO?
[18:33] <tsimonq2> *there's
[18:33] <clivejo> never heard of it :/
[18:33] <tsimonq2> !info kjots | clivejo
[18:34] <tsimonq2> lol
[18:34] <ScottK> If so, maybe getting a member of the DMB to refresh the packageset will add it.
[18:34] <acheronuk> ScottK: no, not on the iso
[18:35] <ScottK> If it just needs a no change rebuild, I can do it tomorrow is someone reminds me
[18:35] <ScottK> If it needs more, I can sponsor tomorrow, but someone needs to prepare the package.
[18:36] <sick_rimmit> Awesome CRogers I got those wallpapers now, public thanks on G+ coming shortly
[18:36] <sick_rimmit> also, excellent job on the Kubuntu_Logo SVG
[18:37] <sick_rimmit> http://whitecatgraphics.com/opendesignstudio/free_graphics/kubuntu/kubuntu_gear_logo_fix.svg
[18:37] <acheronuk> if release team should be about leter, can they sponsor?
[18:37] <sick_rimmit> I think we need some Brand Guides, and logo assets putting some place
[18:37]  * sick_rimmit off to Trello brand guids
[18:44] <CRogers> sick_rimmit, happy to help.
[18:45] <clivejo> CRogers: where in the UK are you?
[18:45] <CRogers> I live in Kingston, but general London area. :)
[18:46] <CRogers> I run a Linux meet in central London every third wednesday.
[18:46] <CRogers> Which is this week in fact.
[18:46] <CRogers> So if any here want to come have some drinks with us, feel free.
[18:47] <CRogers> http://www.meetup.com/londonlinux/
[18:47] <CRogers> There's usually about 15 - 20 of us. Some regulars, but a lot of folks who come through too.
[18:47] <clivejo> bit far away for me Im afraid
[18:48] <CRogers> keep us in mind if you're in town.
[18:48] <CRogers> We're here to stay.
[18:48] <tsimonq2> CRogers: you in touch with the Ubuntu UK LoCo?
[18:49] <CRogers> tsimonq2, not yet...
[18:50] <tsimonq2> pop in their IRC channel :)
[18:51] <CRogers> Their team website is full of spam... lol
[18:51] <CRogers> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/
[18:51] <CRogers> I was really looking forward to 5 minute chocolate cake in a mug too. ;P
[18:52] <CRogers> But not if it includes viagra. XD
[18:52] <clivejo> might help it stay in the mug
[18:52] <CRogers> hahaha
[18:52] <sick_rimmit> No way, I am in London on Wednesday
[18:52] <sick_rimmit> I have a meeting on Pentonville Road
[18:52] <CRogers> Woo!
[18:53] <clivejo> go to it Rick!
[18:53] <CRogers> Yea, come have a drink!
[18:53]  * sick_rimmit looking at details
[18:53] <clivejo> but you have to wear Kubuntu gear!
[18:53] <CRogers> Hehehe
[18:53] <CRogers> I'll be wearing the usual red hat.
[18:54] <CRogers> But Timo, our Co-organiser always makes a floppy sign with some markers. Hehehe
[18:54] <clivejo> I could wear my VLC hat!
[18:55] <CRogers> clivejo, Please tell me it's just a traffic cone. lol
[18:56] <sick_rimmit> I only have Kubuntu business cards :-(
[18:56] <clivejo> no, its a VLC hate!
[18:56] <clivejo> hat
[18:56] <clivejo> from QtCon
[18:57] <clivejo> Haruld Sitter tried to kill me with it, but I foiled his evil plan
[18:58] <CRogers> clivejo, these ones? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cra6Ir0XgAAxjPL.jpg
[18:58] <clivejo> yup
[18:58] <CRogers> Looks slightly more comfortable.
[18:58] <clivejo> it is!
[18:58] <acheronuk> santa_: should libkf5pimtextedit5abi1 have had a breaks/replaces on libkf5pimtextedit5?
[18:58] <clivejo> my pup love wearing it
[18:58] <CRogers> Wear whatever you want. :)
[18:59] <CRogers> People bring all kindsa crazy stuff.
[18:59] <CRogers> Lots of toys too.
[18:59] <CRogers> Pi stuff is popular.
[18:59] <santa_> acheronuk: no, and in fact the point of the abi manager is avoiding that
[19:00] <acheronuk> santa_: you mean so they are co-installable?
[19:00] <santa_> acheronuk: yes, that's the point of the abi manager
[19:00] <CRogers> That's an awesome hat, btw.
[19:01]  * acheronuk turns brain sideways and tries again
[19:01] <CRogers> Some sort of felt, I take it?
[19:01] <tsimonq2> clivejo: can we get a picture of your pup with the VLC hat on? :D
[19:01] <CRogers> +1 lol
[19:01] <acheronuk> santa_: ok. yes that does make sense now. :)
[19:01] <acheronuk> I think....
[19:02] <clivejo> Ill have to catch him first
[19:02] <clivejo> he off chasing birds
[19:02] <clivejo> wish he would chase the mice
[19:02] <tsimonq2> lol
[19:03] <tsimonq2> !ninjas | santa_
[19:03] <tsimonq2> meet me in BBB?
[19:03] <tsimonq2> and that should have been updated to santa_ not santa :P
[19:03] <CRogers> Augh, mice! I found a great bloody rat skelleton today when I cleaned out one of our sheds.
[19:03] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: for what?
[19:04] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: we need to talk about KCI
[19:04]  * clivejo thinks tsimonq2 just likes to hear himself talk
[19:04] <tsimonq2> lol
[19:04]  * acheronuk nods ^^^
[19:04] <clivejo> CRogers: got few of those too
[19:04] <tsimonq2> you guys coming or not? lol
[19:05] <clivejo> meal bin attracts them :(
[19:05] <CRogers> This one was wrapped around my bicycle pump like some sort of strange love-afair happened.
[19:05] <CRogers> It's also a commentary on how often I use my bike. :P
[19:05] <clivejo> eakkk
[19:06] <acheronuk> eek! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/da/4e/49/da4e49336353a27d00384d955572efa2.jpg
[19:06]  * clivejo wonders what the rat was doing to the pump
[19:06] <tsimonq2> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[19:07] <acheronuk> all thsoe packages that got synced earlier. they coulda done zanshin and kjots. sigh
[19:08] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: come in BBB! we have clivejo trapped :P
[19:08] <acheronuk> I doubt that!
[19:08] <CRogers> acheronuk, nice! Here's mine: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0p80hxpz0v81mv8/IMG_20161009_141127.jpg?dl=0
[19:09] <acheronuk> ick ick ick!
[19:09] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: you need proof? get in BBB? :P
[19:09] <clivejo> LOL
[19:09] <CRogers> Wow, the resolution on my phone camera is incredible. lol
[19:09] <clivejo> mmmm
[19:09] <clivejo> soup
[19:09] <CRogers> Really really grim. hahaha
[19:09] <IrcsomeBot1> * ahoneybun pushes tsimon off clive
[19:10] <tsimonq2> lol?
[19:10] <clivejo> KCI is fecked, get a gun and put it down
[19:10] <clivejo> its the most humane option
[19:11] <tsimonq2> yeah, take it out of it's misery
 I'm about to give up on trying to us any wifi on this laptop...
[19:11] <tsimonq2> after all, it's written in Ruby :P
[19:11] <clivejo> it would be like giving CRogers pet rat mouth to mouth
 just sooooooooo bad
[19:13] <acheronuk>  urgh!
[19:13] <CRogers> He was my pet? Woah, now I feel really guilty...
[19:14] <valorie> speaking of artwork, really great work CRogers! very generous of you
[19:15] <valorie> ahoneybun, ovidiuflorin - do we have artwork for the website for release day?
 nope
[19:17] <CRogers> valorie, Thanks! I had been wanting to make some linux-specific wallpaper for a while. Had a few hours and some coffee. Also, I wanted to troll the person sitting next to me a bit, scoffing at my Lenovo x220 T in a trendy coffeeshop filled with pretty new Macbooks.
[19:18] <CRogers> My laptop looks like a black brick. lol
[19:19] <CRogers> It has not a smooth curve on it, except where the edge has been worn down to the bare metal. ;P
[19:21] <CRogers> btw, pressure sensitivity works out of the box for sculpting in blender. Fow some reason that gets more looks than anything else.
[19:21] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: ping
[19:23] <clivejo> does anyone know if we actually have that credit with Digital Ocean?
[19:23] <clivejo> or was it just offered?
[19:38] <sick_rimmit> Hi
[19:39] <sick_rimmit> Sorry was looking up train journeys
[19:39] <clivejo> can you shed some light?
[19:39] <sick_rimmit> It was offered, but I didn't follow it up.
[19:39] <sick_rimmit> DO Hosting I mean
[19:41] <clivejo> would that be hard to arrange?
[19:45] <CRogers> DO sponsors a lot of podcasts.
[19:46] <CRogers> So that may be a good angle if the offer has chilled too much.
[19:50] <valorie> what we really need is enough power to run a jenkins instance
[19:51] <CRogers> Okay, gotta run. Nice meeting everyone. Will bbl.
[19:51] <clivejo> be good CRogers and nice to meet you
[19:51] <CRogers> likewise clivejo
[20:24] <valorie> clivejo: can you send the list the specs you think we need?
[20:24] <valorie> and then I'll follow up on it unless someone else has a contact
[20:25] <valorie> if you don't know the specs sgclark or sitter might be able to shed some light
 well that was scary
 changed a few networking settings and was stuck on boot
[20:26] <valorie> ewww
[20:26] <clivejo> Ive managed to get a ssh to kci
[20:26] <valorie> oh cool
[20:27] <clivejo> but as for configuring the slaves, will need yofel for that
[20:28] <valorie> we don't have config docs anywhere?
 Not that I know of
 Tbh I need yofel to guide with the docs server as well
[20:37] <valorie> too bad we don't have someone expert in ansible etc who could set that up
[20:37] <valorie> it would make spinning up containers easy
 Well it's because I don't know how yofel stored them
 I don't want to mess it up
[20:43] <valorie> right
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> https://developers.digitalocean.com/opensource/
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> I spoke on ML about 1 year ago with a staff member
 I see the reason of DO if we have Linode
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> I will get intouch with them, and see what we can sort ou
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> t
[20:59] <valorie> ahoneybun: if you meant you don't see a reason -- our linode was running at full tilt as I recall
[20:59] <valorie> we don't have root on the blue systems instance of jenkins, which clive needs to completely rebuild it
[20:59] <valorie> he thinks it would be best to start with a fresh container
[21:00] <valorie> on which we have full rights
[21:00] <valorie> and can document as we go
 I don't see a reason
 Which is what yofel wants it to do
[21:03] <valorie> if we discuss it on the list, he can chime in
[21:03] <valorie> http://choqok.gnufolks.org/2016/10/choqok-1-6-released/
[21:03] <valorie> might be usable now!
 Soee linked it
 I don't see the reason for a desktop client
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> I've emailed DO, and updated Trello. Will feedback with news ;-)
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> time for me to go now, bed time
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> nite all
[22:11] <acheronuk> kjots: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kjots
[22:12] <acheronuk> looks like a package that was PIM, but then not ported for 16.0.x apps
[22:13] <acheronuk> so has a standalone source now in debian, that was just synced
[22:13] <acheronuk> debian has a slightly newer version so maybe just request that?
[22:29] <valorie> acheronuk: it looks like I have the power to link to an upstream project, but I've never done it
[22:29] <valorie> is that what needs to happen?
[22:31] <valorie> are the pimsters still releasing it?
[22:31] <acheronuk> I'm not sure what needs to be done
[22:31] <valorie> and yofel is probably asleep by now
[22:32] <acheronuk> seems they are doing some minor maintenance to it https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kjots.git&a=shortlog
[22:38] <valorie> seems steveire/Stephan Kelly was fixing bugs in 2008, blogged about it before that
[22:41] <valorie> seems to be connected to both akonadi and grantlee
[22:53] <acheronuk> sounds like kjots it pretty defunct?
[22:55] <valorie> I"m discussing in #kde-devel right now
[22:56] <valorie> not quite defunct
[22:56] <valorie> but not healthy and thriving either
[22:57] <acheronuk> we at least need it rebuilt. healthy or not.
[22:57] <valorie> ok
[22:58] <acheronuk> or the release team to force through our other updates, not caring for now that kjots gets broken for a while
[22:59] <valorie> it sucks that it got mostly ported
[22:59] <valorie> then split off pim
[22:59] <valorie> and now sits neglected, because nobody maintains it
[23:00] <acheronuk> never used it. there are many note taking apps though, so guess it's maybe a victim of that duplication
[23:01] <valorie> I guess
[23:01] <valorie> I just use kate for everything
[23:02] <valorie> kjots makes itself available to akonadi though, so when akonadi works, it should be a working part of kontact
[23:02] <valorie> but they cut it away
[23:03] <acheronuk> I still don't trust akonadi with my data. maybe it's better now, but hassle with it years ago put me right off anything that used it for storage
[23:03] <valorie> haven't tried kmail recently
[23:04] <valorie> it used to be my favorite part of the kde desktop back in kde3 days
[23:04] <valorie> then it stopped sending my mail while reporting that it was sent
[23:04] <valorie> then it started crashing
[23:04] <valorie> after a few years I gave up
[23:05] <acheronuk> thunderbird is cross platform and stores all it's data in the profile which I can easily move
[23:05] <acheronuk> so I have stuck with that
[23:05] <valorie> I gave up on sylpheed and tbird as well
[23:05] <valorie> gmail all the way
[23:05] <valorie> on the web
[23:06] <valorie> completely against all my principles
[23:07] <tsimonq2> eew
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Gmail?!?!?
[23:07] <tsimonq2> I have a domain at Gandi so I switched to that
[23:07] <tsimonq2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:07] <acheronuk> you would :P
[23:07] <valorie> I am not gonna run a mail server
[23:07] <valorie> never
[23:08] <valorie> and my son isn't enthused about me using the one he set up, called zimres.net
[23:08] <valorie> because it used to run off of our backup server
[23:08] <tsimonq2> valorie: Gandi does everything
[23:08] <tsimonq2> I don't run the mail server, Gandi does
[23:08] <tsimonq2> but I trust Gandi more than Google
[23:09] <valorie> oops, we're not on -offtopic
[23:34] <clivejo> ok I cant seem to burn a DVD at all now
[23:36] <valorie> k3b not working for ya?
[23:37] <valorie> it worked a few weeks ago for me in 16.10
[23:37] <clivejo> it was
[23:37] <clivejo> but not its not
[23:37] <valorie> :(
[23:37] <clivejo> and I need a rescue disc burnt ASAP
[23:38] <valorie> oh gads
[23:38] <valorie> do you have a 16.04 machine with a DVD drive?
 USB or get out lol
[23:39] <clivejo> nope
[23:39] <valorie> ahoneybun: the old computer I was trying to rescue for a friend would only boot from disk or DVD
[23:39] <valorie> :(
[23:39] <valorie> old XP laptop
[23:39] <clivejo> its a windows 7 machine full of viruses
 If It can boot from USB it needs to get Lubuntu or something tbh
[23:42] <clivejo> trying to write a AVG Rescue disc to see if I can get it cleaned out
[23:42] <clivejo> the owner wants it the way it was before :/
[23:42] <clivejo> numpty
[23:44] <clivejo> someone people shouldnt be allowed a computer until they can use them properly!
[23:44] <clivejo> saying that, I cant even burn a fecking DVD!
[23:44] <valorie> :(
[23:45] <clivejo> 98% and it just stops writing
[23:46] <clivejo> has something changed in yakkety?
[23:47] <valorie> wow, is the image too large or something?
[23:49] <clivejo> nope
[23:49] <clivejo> only 120Mb
[23:50] <clivejo> this is annoying me now
[23:51] <clivejo> 6 new DVD's runied
[23:53] <valorie> geez!
[23:53] <valorie> can it be your equipment?
[23:54] <valorie> in any case, sympathies
[23:54] <valorie> and hopes that you can boot from a USB