[01:21] <Riddell> launchpad dudes: why can't I create new admins in kubuntu-members team (I'm an admin)
[01:31] <Fermat> hi! Is there a way to delete from launchpad a branch that I've just created?
[01:47] <thumper> Fermat: no not yet
[01:48] <Fermat> I've just read a bug report on launchpad and a comment suggested to contact the admins...
[08:28] <sacater> THANK YOU, for fixing the 'search all questions' bug
[08:28] <sacater> :D
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i know you're nto :P
[08:34] <jamesh> Hobbsee: stub might be able to help.  What's the problem?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> jamesh: Riddell was asking earlier today - he cant seem to add more administrators to a team, if he's not the owner
[08:35] <Hobbsee> jamesh: a) is this deliberate, and b)  can we get the owner of the team changed or something?
[08:35] <jamesh> Hobbsee: is he an administrator of the team?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:35] <jamesh> that is weird.
[08:35] <stub> Sounds like a regression
[08:36] <jamesh> I think all the team admins are meant to be able to do that
[08:36] <jamesh> Hobbsee: what team?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> that's what i would have thought
[08:36] <Hobbsee> jamesh: kubuntu-members
[08:36] <stub> salgado would know if it was deliberate, so a bug should be opened.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> (he's trying to make me an admin as well)
[08:37] <stub> If I change the owner of the team, then the Ubuntu Community Council lose rights over maintaining that team.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> hmm.  they cant maintain it as an admin or something?  it must be the owner, i guess
[08:38] <stub> Shouldn't the council be doing this?
[08:39] <jamesh> team memberships are meant to be editable by the team's administrators
[08:40] <stub> But this is appointing a new administrator
[08:40] <jamesh> if team administrators aren't allowed to do that, what are they for?
[08:41] <stub> If it is deliberate that only owners can appoint administrators (may well be - I forget the lengthy and tedious discussions we had on this - I'm sure it is buried in a spec somewhere), giving riddell the rights to appoint new admins might be stepping on the councils toes.
[08:42] <stub> team administrators can approve normal membership, deactivate members (including other admins for security reasons IIRC), etc.
[08:43] <stub> Ideal way of solving this from my POV is for riddell to send a GPG signed email requesting the change to one of the council members, and a bug opened on the issue so salgado can confirm it or reject it.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> stub: no idea, we only found out this morning.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> stub: so you want a mail from riddell about "please add hobbsee as an admin"
[08:53] <stub> Hobbsee: hang on - trying a back channel.
[08:57] <stub> Hobbsee: I've got a cc member to confirm it is ok so I can do it once Riddell is online
[08:58] <Hobbsee> stub: okay
[08:59] <stub> Hobbsee: Change of plans. kubuntu-council is going to become the owner of kubuntu-members, so you will actually end up an owner and able to apoint your own administrators if you like.
[09:01] <stub> Hobbsee: Done. You should now have all the rights you need.
[09:01] <stub> (as will  other  k-c members)
[09:03] <stub> Hobbsee: I'll leave it up to you and Riddell to decide if the ubuntu-council should retain their admin rights or membership :-)
[09:04] <Hobbsee> stub: thankyou :)
[09:04] <Hobbsee> stub: hehe :)
[10:15] <Riddell> hi stub
[10:16] <Riddell> thanks for changing that
[10:16] <Hobbsee> mornign Riddell
[10:17] <Riddell> would be nice if the team pages said why I couldn't set admins
[10:20] <stub> Riddell: File a bug if you have time
[10:20] <stub> np
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118207 in launchpad "should document why admins can't create admins" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118207
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118211 in malone "Openoffice dies when connecting through JDBC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118211
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118220 in soyuz "some archive directories have excessively open permissions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118220
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118227 in soyuz "main/debian-installer missing from Release files" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118227
[04:11] <phrixos> afternoono
[04:12] <phrixos> is there any way i can get more detail about why the squid 3 main branch is failing to be imported into launchpad from upstream cvs?
[04:23] <salgado> ddaa, can you help phrixos?
[04:35] <mwhudson> salgado: ddaa is not feeling well, i can take a look though
[04:44] <mwhudson> phrixos: i don't know, i'm rerunning the import and then i'll have a better answer for you
[04:44] <phrixos> cool, thanks very much
[04:45] <mwhudson> it may take quite a while...
[04:46] <phrixos> heh, yeah, i can imagine
[04:47] <mwhudson> what i'm saying is that if you try to remember to bug me about it say on monday, that reduces the chance of this being forgotten :)
[04:48] <phrixos> right!
[04:49] <phrixos> ok, i'll make a note and bug you later
[04:49] <phrixos> thanks :)
[04:51] <mwhudson> np
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #118270 in launchpad "spec search does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118270
[05:37] <mwhudson> phrixos: this is the problem with squid: https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImportRequests#head-9c041fe20f4e92bc3f012d6da39500ec802d89fd
[06:08] <phrixos> mwhudson: just got that -- thanks a lot for looking
[06:09] <mwhudson> phrixos: i should have looked on that page first really
[06:10] <mwhudson> some obscure CVS detail, no idea on the details myself
[06:10] <phrixos> yeah, i'm not that familiar with CVS
[06:11] <phrixos> guess i'll have to import the current state into a local branch by hand rather than being lazy
[06:11] <phrixos> oh well
[06:19] <mwhudson> i am very happy that i've forgotten most of the things i knew about cvs
[06:19] <phrixos> heh, me too
[06:19] <phrixos> we mainly use svn at work, although i'm currently looking at bzr for various things
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #118284 in launchpad-answers "Incorrect URL translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118284
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118289 in blueprint "location of "Needs guidance" checkbox is odd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118289
[08:56] <Toastie_> Question - Is there a standard procedure to send Launchpad-made translations upstream?
[09:20] <kiko-fud> Toastie_, not a really /standard/ one but there is a process many people follow. check with danilos and carlos (when the latter is around :)
[09:21] <Toastie_> thanks
[09:21] <danilos> Toastie_: most translators are in contact with upstreams directly (well, we've got a lot of upstream translators also working in Launchpad)
[09:22] <Toastie_> well, I've just manually submitted gnome-mount.po to gnome's bugzilla; hope it's ok
[09:22] <danilos> Toastie_: in general, they'd advise you to use Launchpad only as a PO editing tool, and then you can submit your PO files using upstream's regular rules
[09:22] <danilos> Toastie_: sure, for GNOME in particular, I suggest you file a bug against 'l10n' product and appropriate language component, so it's handled by the translation team, not by gnome-mount maintainers
[09:23] <Toastie_> but those POs automatically go to Ubuntu's distro, right?
[09:23] <danilos> Toastie_: yeah, they get automatically into Ubuntu, if you've translated Ubuntu package
[09:55] <bdmurray> hello? I was looking at bug 45315 and it's log looks odd to me
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45315 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 "madwifi makes the system crash" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45315
[09:55] <bdmurray> the activity log shows it being assigned to a different product
[09:58] <pochu> bdmurray: it was assigned to the lrm Ubuntu package, and tepsipakki rejected the Ubuntu task
[10:02] <bdmurray> pochu: right but it says lrm-2.6.15-15-powerpc and it isn't listed under that product
[10:06] <pochu> bdmurray: Oh, I see. Looks like a bug, right?
[10:07] <bdmurray> pochu: yeah, unless I am missing something
[10:24] <bdmurray> kiko: do you have any thoughts on bug 45315 and it's classification / activity log?
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45315 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 "madwifi makes the system crash" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45315
[10:24] <kiko> let's see
[10:25] <bdmurray> the activity log shows it going to one package but it is under another
[10:26] <kiko> bdmurray, I think the activity log doesn't capture changes in that
[10:26] <kiko> the activity log is pretty broken
[10:26] <kiko> but BjornT has scheduled time to improve it this cycle
[10:27] <bdmurray> okay, thanks for looking
[11:16] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search bugs commented on by a specific launchpad user?
[11:16] <bdmurray> i.e. they aren't subscribed or assigned to the bug?
[11:17] <kiko> bdmurray, no, there's not.
[11:17] <kiko> bdmurray, you can search through the mailing list archives..
[11:17] <bdmurray> kiko: there are no archives now
[11:18] <kiko> !
[11:18] <kiko> somebody's very large mbox then
[11:18] <pochu> bdmurray: or you can see his subscribed bugs, as long as he has subscribed to the bugs he's commented on :)
[11:18] <bdmurray> kiko: actually mine seems large enough
[11:19] <bdmurray> I ask because I found somebody who made an unhelpful comment and didn't subscribe or assign themselves to the bug.  I wanted to make sure they didn't taint any other bugs.
[11:23] <LaserJock> kiko: quick question, how feasible would it be to add to a person's +packages page a list of uploads they've sponsored
[11:24] <LaserJock> kiko: essential list uploads where the person has signed the .changes but aren't in Changed-By:
[11:24] <kiko> bdmurray, "unhelpful", eh?
[11:24] <kiko> LaserJock, hmm
[11:24] <kiko> cprov-afk, do you store that?
[11:25] <LaserJock> I think who signed the package is being stored now
[11:25] <LaserJock> since that's sort of an important thing to know
[11:26] <LaserJock> in MOTU we sponsor so much it's helpful to know when it comes time for people to go for membership, MOTU or core-dev what they've sponsored
[11:26] <bdmurray> kiko: I was trying to be nice
[11:26] <kiko> bdmurray, at least somebody makes that effort.
[11:27] <LaserJock> some people put way to much effort into "unhelpful" comments ;-)
[11:48] <ec1> Hi HampusW
[11:48] <HampusW> hi
[11:48] <ec1> Hi all.
[11:49] <HampusW> Anyone here that knows how rosetta works?
[11:49] <ec1> Is anyone there here in charge of Rosetta review process ?
[11:53] <bdmurray> kiko: it is challenging sometimes


[09:07] <dholbach> good morning
[09:09] <highvoltage> a/win 10
[18:21] <Fantu> hi, in nemo 2.8.6-2 the autotest should be fixed, sync from debian will be automatic?


[00:02] <snizzo> I have this code but setRoleNames doesn't seem to work. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6117212/ it says it's undeclared
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <dholbach> jppiiroinen, Mirv: any new qtcreator/plugin uploads planned?
[07:00] <jppiiroinen> Mirv ^
[07:13] <Mirv> dholbach: yep, you weren't online but  lp:qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu would be now ready (as of updated changelog entry merged 35 mins ago)
[07:14] <Mirv> dholbach: regarding QtC 2.8, postponed to t and saucy support going to PPA like the older releases. but that update is useful to have anyhow in the archives.
[07:15] <dholbach> Mirv, I'll check into it
[07:15] <Mirv> since it improves the installation of SDK via Dash etc, if people do that on pure saucy
[07:15] <Mirv> dholbach: the changes from last release are bzr diff -r 24 on that branch
[07:20] <dholbach> Mirv, uploaded
[07:23] <Mirv> dholbach: excellent, thanks!
[07:24] <dholbach> Mirv, hum, were 1219877 and 1214628 not part of the upload?
[07:27] <Mirv> dholbach: those seem to be only fixed in the 2.8 branch (which doesn't compile against QtC 2.7)
[07:27] <dholbach> ah, gotcha
[08:47] <dholbach> popey, dpm: do we have a final list of accepted apps for the showdown?
[08:49] <popey> dholbach: is the list on the wiki not accurate?
[08:49] <dpm> dholbach, nearly. Looking at the responses I think we need to e-mail a couple of folks to resubmit, as they sent their apps to the old store
[08:49] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AppShowdownList
[08:51] <dholbach> dpm, do you have a list of them? I'd be happy to get in touch
[08:51] <Parker001> Can I ask anything or only important questions ? I'm new to ubuntu development
[08:51] <dholbach> nik90|Office, ^
[08:51] <dpm> dholbach, yep, just shared the spreadsheet with the responses
[08:52] <popey> Parker001: sure
[08:52] <nik90|Office> dholbach, dpm: I created that list :) but it is unofficial meaning that apps in that list could/could not be in the app store
[08:52] <nik90|Office> popey: was referring to you ^^ instead of dpm
[08:52] <popey> kk
[08:53] <dpm> nik90|Office, I know, I know, but we asked participants to fill in a form, that's where we tracked submissions
[08:53] <popey> where does that form go?
[08:54] <dpm> popey, to a spreadsheet, I've just shared it
[08:54] <popey> ta
[08:56] <nik90|Office> dpm: can you share it with me as well
[08:57] <dpm> I was about to, yes :)
[08:57] <nik90|Office> :)
[08:58] <Parker001> Hi guys , I develop some android apps and wants to develop for ubuntu touch , can I develop in java ? I searched the internet but everything keeping throwing me from palce to place :p
[08:58] <Parker001> is there a standard IDE ?
[08:59] <popey> Parker001: http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is the main portal
[08:59] <popey> Parker001: We support QML / HTML5 / OpenGL / C++
[08:59] <popey> Java isn't a 1st class citizen on Ubuntu Touch
[08:59] <Parker001> Thank you very much !
[09:00] <popey> np
[09:01] <dholbach> Mirv, jppiiroinen: is cordova-ubuntu-2.8-dev something that relates to qtcreator 2.8 somehow?
[09:03] <Parker001> popey : interface designed in QML , and all the actions code is written C++ , right ?
[09:04] <popey> Parker001: whole thing can be qml / js, but some apps use some C++ components, but most don't
[09:04] <nik90|Office> popey: you got Javascript ^^
[09:04] <nik90|Office> forgot*
[09:06] <dholbach> nik90|Office, so I'll go through the list of folks who had problems submitting and afterwards we'll get in touch with you and the other judges
[09:06] <nik90|Office> dholbach: okay, meanwhile I will review the apps already in the app store and working atm
[09:07] <dholbach> rock on
[09:08] <Parker001> popey : I search the internet for tutorials but didn't find , What to search ? gnome , unity or ubuntu development ? I know javascript and C++ and little python
[09:11] <popey> Parker001: its all on developer.ubuntu.com
[09:11] <popey> Parker001: there's not many tutorials, we're working on that
[09:14] <Parker001> popey : no I mean what is the general thing to learn before ubutnu touch apps ? ubuntu desktop applications ? or there is general IDE for unity ?
[09:14] <Parker001> popey : is there only ubuntu SDK ?
[09:15] <Mirv> dholbach: no it's independent, used by qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-cordova
[09:15] <popey> Parker001: we have an sdk you can install - it's based around qtcreator
[09:15] <popey> Parker001: we also have lots of open source core applications you can look at
[09:16] <popey> Parker001: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[09:16] <popey> Parker001: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[09:16] <popey> e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/files
[09:16] <dholbach> Mirv, I was just surprised by the numbers in the package name
[09:17] <Parker001> popey : Thanks :)
[09:17] <Mirv> dholbach: Apache Cordova and Qt Creator do not select each other's version numbers :)
[09:18] <dholbach> ah, ok
[09:22] <Parker001> popey : what is "quickly" for ?
[09:22] <popey> Parker001: quickly was/is used for creating apps for the desktop, generally python apps
[09:23] <Parker001> popey : can I use it for ubuntu touch ?
[09:23] <popey> no
[09:23] <Parker001> popey : thanks
[09:23] <popey> Ubuntu SDK (qtcreator) replaces it
[09:24] <gusch> tmoenicke_: do you want to review? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/qtubuntu-camera/camera-click-sound/+merge/185989
[09:26] <tmoenicke_> gusch: done
[09:28] <timp> oSoMoN_: there is a new UITK release. So https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/new-panel-api/+merge/185222 should work now. Can you re-trigger CI?
[10:24] <mzanetti> nik90|Office: I don't developer a core app. so in that sense I don't "have to" talk to designers
[10:24] <mzanetti> -er
[10:24] <nik90|Office> mzanetti: true
[10:25] <nik90|Office> mzanetti: but I can imagine the use cases for it. The reason I asked you to talk to a designer is that the SDK developers will *only* implement stuff approved by design. And currently design says you cannot combine pagestack with tabs. So if you have bugs with your implementation, then they might not be fixed.
[10:27] <oSoMoN> timp: sure, will trigger now
[10:38] <timp> oSoMoN: thanks
[10:38] <timp> oSoMoN: how? you click the re-trigger link or you do an empty commit?
[10:42] <oSoMoN> timp: I click the re-trigger link
[10:43] <oSoMoN> timp: I’m having lots of issues with CI and autolanding for the browser lately though, so it may take a while to actually succeed (it keeps failing randomly on stuff that used to pass reliably, no idea why)
[10:47] <timp> ok
[11:21] <dpm> popey, nice! I just noticed this: https://plus.google.com/117574309170420884411/posts/RJMsaSuXKTT
[11:22] <dpm> Michael Spencer from the File Manager is helping implementing the Stock Ticker designs already
[11:24] <popey> Yeah! We spoke last night about it.
[11:25] <popey> He was looking for something else to do, and offered to do that, so I said "Yes please!" :D
[11:26] <dpm> popey, awesome
[11:42] <marcoceppi> I'm having a weird issue with python packaging, can't seem to get past this
[11:43] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119081/
[11:44] <marcoceppi> I found this bug, but it says it's been patched in the version of python-stdeb (0.6.0+20100620-2build1)
[11:50] <marcoceppi> Is there another room that I should bounce in to for packaging stuff?
[11:53] <nik90|Office> popey: can you try uDraw and let me know if you can see the white screen where you draw stuff. Atm I only see a black screen in place of the canvas. Also saucyBacon still doesnt work for me. I tried reflashing phone several times.
[11:53] <popey> nik90|Office: for saucybacon you need to install libqt5script5
[11:53] <popey> nik90|Office: for udraw, yes, I get a black screen
[11:54] <popey> first is bug 1225749
[11:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1225749 in ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu) "libqt5script5 should be in the base image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1225749
[11:54] <nik90|Office> popey: ah :) ... how come that is part of the dependencies? Anyways thanks.
[11:54] <popey> the other judged need to know this
[11:54] <nik90|Office> popey: yup
[11:55] <popey> i dont have edit rights to the spreadsheet so can't add a note
[11:55] <nik90|Office> popey: also I will give uDraw and Graphite Drawing a try on my desktop since both of them show a black canvas where you cant draw stuff
[11:59] <nik90|Office> popey: if you have the emails of all judges, would mind sending an email? I had some other questions and notices for the judges, but do not know their emails.
[11:59] <nik90|Office> you**
[12:00] <popey> lemme see
[12:00] <popey> i do
[12:00] <popey> will mail now
[12:06] <nik90|Office> thanks popey. Just got the email
[12:06] <popey> np
[12:24] <nik90|Office> zsombi: what do you mean by stock alarm in your comments? Are you referring to the alarm I read from the database?
[12:25] <zsombi> nik90|Office I used the same naming when I talked last time in comments about the alarms you fetch from the model
[12:26] <nik90|Office> zsombi: I wasnt sure then which I realised when trying to fix the comments
[12:27] <nik90|Office> zsombi: but I get it now
[12:27] <zsombi> nik90|office ok :)
[12:27] <nik90|Office> zsombi: btw I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1226516
[12:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1226516 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Alarm documentation needs more elaboration on save() and cancel() operations" [Undecided,New]
[12:27] <nik90|Office> zsombi: I dont have permission to assign it to you
[12:28] <zsombi> nik90|Office thx, I just did :)
[12:29] <nik90|Office> awesome thnx
[12:40] <GuidoPallemans> when
[12:40] <GuidoPallemans> is there going to be more info about the ubuntu apps showdown?
[12:41] <GuidoPallemans> dpm, danielholm
[12:42] <dpm> GuidoPallemans, this week we'll make sure we get all contest apps into the store, and next week we'll start judging
[12:42] <GuidoPallemans> k, thanks
[12:42] <GuidoPallemans> how much apps entered?
[12:43] <dpm> nik90|Office, do you happen to know any bitesize bugs in the clock app?
[12:43] <dpm> GuidoPallemans, about 35-40, really good quality apps :)
[12:43] <popey> +1
[12:43] <GuidoPallemans> k
[12:43] <nik90|Office> dpm: I can find out since Paolo and I spent last week fixing those kind of bugs :P
[12:44] <dpm> nik90|Office, I know, I'm trying to give a potential new contributor something to work on, but you guys are too good and fixed them all already. Same for other core apps :)
[12:45] <nik90|Office> dpm: hehe. Although lina reported about 6 bugs in one day, some might qualify as bitesize
[12:45]  * dpm looks
[12:45] <nik90|Office> dpm: check the hack-days milestone. Those marked as new or incomplete are the ones reported by lina
[12:47] <dpm> yeah, they don't look trivial for someone new unfortunately
[12:48] <nik90|Office> dpm: the bugs remaining in hack-days milestone are the only ones which need fixing for 1.0 release
[12:48] <dpm> popey, can you think of any task for a new contributor with coding skills? I'm running out of ideas and it seems we've run out of bitesize bugs
[12:48] <nik90|Office> nik90|Office: so I gues we are out of bugs :P
[12:49] <popey> dpm: test the app showdown apps and file bugs in those?
[12:49] <popey> No more bugs!
[12:49] <popey> Lets go shopping!
[12:49] <dpm> hahaha
[12:51] <dpm> popey, I think it might be best for folks to focus on contributing to core apps. I can't think of any "easy" app/bug to start on right now though :/
[12:51] <popey> yeah, i was kinda kidding ☻
[12:51]  * dpm hugs popey
[12:52] <dpm> franxesk, I think what I'd recommend is to run the apps, see if there is any missing functionality, then file a bug and try to fix it yourself
[12:52] <dpm> franxesk, you can file a bug for any of the apps here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+filebug (just remember to select the app in the dropdown menu)
[12:53] <mihir__> popey: dpm I have been trying to sign code of conduct but not able to do it succesfully :( with KGPG
[12:53] <franxesk> dpm, I'll see what I can find then :)
[12:53] <popey> dpm: I'll update my (not yet published) blog post and call for bitesize bugs?
[12:54] <dpm> popey, sounds good
[12:55] <popey> kk
[12:55] <dpm> franxesk, perfect, thanks :)
[12:55] <dpm> mihir__, what's the exact issue you're having?
[12:56] <mihir__> dpm: I have generated Fingerprint with KgPG on kubuntu but when I try to import it's unsuccesful
[12:58] <mihir__> dpm: I'll ping you once I reach home I am leaving office currently
[13:00] <dpm> ok
[13:38] <dholbach> beuno, so I was just chatting with GuidoPallemans who just submitted his app and it's still in "draft" - do you know anything about it?
[13:38] <dholbach> beuno, it's "connect4"
[13:40] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, when you resubmit the app, you might have to use a new version number (one you didn't use before) and make sure the version in the web form and in the manifest (in the 'advanced' tab of the 'packaging' section in the SDK) matches
[13:40] <GuidoPallemans> dholbach: ohh, yes that's the same as I did wrong on reversi
[13:41] <dholbach> that should be easy to fix then :)
[13:43] <beuno> dholbach, I don't, but as long as it's in draft, it's not visible to us
[13:44] <dholbach> ah, ok
[13:45] <GuidoPallemans> It just goes back to draft
[13:45] <GuidoPallemans> showing the following message: ....
[13:45] <GuidoPallemans> http://imgur.com/61RSywS
[13:46] <beuno> GuidoPallemans, dholbach, that's because it was submitted to the old store
[13:46] <dholbach> !
[13:46] <GuidoPallemans> woah
[13:46] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, sorry about that - the navigation might be a bit confusing right now - try again at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/
[13:46] <GuidoPallemans> ok
[13:47] <GuidoPallemans> now its reversi: needs info | c4: pending
[13:48] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, I can see connect4 now
[13:50] <GuidoPallemans> now its reversi: pending | c4: in progress
[13:51] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, replied to the c4 submission
[13:52] <GuidoPallemans> dholbach you can copy that comment to reversi, didnt do it there either
[13:52] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, yep, and there's another small issue in reversi
[13:52] <dholbach> responding in the form
[13:52] <dholbach> just a sec
[13:54] <GuidoPallemans> resubmitted c4
[13:54] <dholbach> done
[13:55] <dholbach> I think the security policy thing is less important
[13:55] <dholbach> maybe just ignore it for now
[13:55] <dholbach> it'll be fixed with bug 1221407 in the future
[13:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1221407 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "please provide gui for security manifest" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221407
[13:56] <GuidoPallemans> dholbach: submitted
[13:57] <dholbach> GuidoPallemans, approved
[13:58] <GuidoPallemans> thanks!
[13:58] <dholbach> keep up the good work!
[13:58] <GuidoPallemans> (think I'll make a chance at a price?)
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> prize*
[13:59] <dholbach> I'm no judge - I'm just helping out :)
[13:59] <dholbach> but I'll go and check out the apps in a bit :)
[13:59] <GuidoPallemans> that's why I'm asking you :d
[15:38] <gusch> tmoenicke_: up for another review? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-bug-close-abum-view/+merge/186075
[15:40] <tmoenicke_> gusch: thats a lot of code to read ;)
[15:40] <gusch> tmoenicke_: sorry ;)
[15:55] <om26er> oSoMoN, I see you are top contributor for calendar, you still working on it ?
[15:55] <om26er> summary: the years view is too slow on mako :/
[16:00] <popey> om26er: known problem
[16:01] <WebbyIT> I have to report a bug about login in gmail app, where I have to report it?
[16:04] <GuidoPallemans> who is lucas romero di bendetto on irc?
[16:05] <GuidoPallemans> lucasromerodb, nvm
[16:07] <om26er> popey, ah - so i don't need to report a bug for that then
[16:09] <oSoMoN> om26er: launchpad karma is misleading, I only do reviews and fix tests from time to time, the real main contributor is Kunal
[16:25] <om26er> boiko, hey.. this bug 1226692
[16:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1226692 in messaging-app (Ubuntu) "New message does not appear in the app once an old coversation with that contact is deleted" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226692
[16:25] <om26er> oSoMoN, thanks for letting me know
[16:26] <boiko> om26er: if I'm not wrong salem_ already fixed this problem
[16:26] <om26er> boiko, I have the latest image, if only that fix is not yet in the image
[16:27] <boiko> om26er: yeah, it was not released yet it seems
[16:28] <om26er> boiko, thanks, you know which package had that bug? so I'd move it there
[16:28] <om26er> and assign salem
[16:28] <om26er> ofcourse if there isn't another bug already
[16:30] <boiko> om26er: there was another bug I think
[16:31] <boiko> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/history-service/+bug/1210285
[16:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1210285 in history-service "removed threads are not recreated on incoming messages" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[16:31] <om26er> boiko, cool, thanks
[16:34] <om26er> nerochiaro, hey
[16:34] <salem_> om26er, yep, the fix was committed but not released yet.
[16:35] <om26er> salem_, do you when we'll release that ?
[16:38] <nerochiaro> om26er: hey
[16:38] <om26er> nerochiaro, I see a grey area in the camera view
[16:38] <salem_> om26er, not sure. we are preparing another change for the history-service, so I think it wont take too long.
[16:38] <om26er> nerochiaro, bug 1226702
[16:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1226702 in camera-app (Ubuntu) "[mako] camera view is cropped from the right side" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226702
[16:39] <om26er> nerochiaro, specifically this screenshot https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1226702/+attachment/3825567/+files/screenshot_1379435364.png
[16:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: i don't have a mako :(
[16:39] <om26er> salem_, ok, thanks
[16:39] <om26er> nerochiaro, ugh. can you please mention that in the bug report :) someone might send you a mako ;)
[16:39] <nerochiaro> om26er: i've seen that bug report before, but haven't been able to do anything about as i can't repro
[16:41] <nerochiaro> om26er: is the screen res of mako the same as maguro ?
[16:41] <om26er> nerochiaro, yes both the devices have the same screen resolutions
[16:41] <nerochiaro> om26er: then i really have no idea. posted a comment on the bug
[16:41] <om26er> nerochiaro, actually, its 1280 x 768
[16:42] <nerochiaro> om26er: bigger ?
[16:42] <nerochiaro> than maguro
[16:42] <om26er> nerochiaro, maguro is 1280 x 720 Yes
[16:43] <nerochiaro> om26er: can you also find out what's the camera resolution (of the camera with which you took that picture) ?
[16:43] <nerochiaro> om26er: my guess is that it's different than the screen res, and there's some issue in the code that is supposed to center it horizontally
[16:44] <nerochiaro> om26er: (i know we center the other camera vertically on maguro, but maybe we're not centering the front camera horizontally because on maguro front camera res == screen res)
[16:45] <om26er> nerochiaro, height of the image is 3264 pixels and width is 1836 pixels
[16:46] <om26er> nerochiaro, the problem I descrive is with the back camera though
[16:49] <nerochiaro> om26er: the camera and the screen have different resolutions. so it's  a bug in the centering code that probably never came up in maguro because in maguro i think the aspect ratio is diff but it results in an image that needs vertical centering. in this case instead it seems to result in an image that needs horiz centering, and that part is bugged)
[16:49] <nerochiaro> om26er: that's just my suspicion though
[16:51] <om26er> nerochiaro, if you get sometime please have a look, else I guess its not that important but "nice to have"
[16:51] <nerochiaro> om26er: i am adding a comment to the bug. whatever fix i do i'll need your help to test it
[16:52] <om26er> nerochiaro, sure
[17:06] <om26er> boiko, about our yesterday's conversation that Ubuntu phone calls back automatically, it seems the phone app is first started at its own and then the call happens
[17:08] <om26er> is there anything (logs) that you'd like to see to check what invokes the dialer-app
[17:09] <boiko> om26er: hmm, I don't remember we talking about that yesterday, what exactly is the problem?
[17:10] <om26er> boiko, after some real stress testing my Ubuntu phone would stop ringing and there is no notification on the phone to show that there is an incoming but.. when the phone gets into that state, calling it a few more times invokes the dialer-app automatically and it calls back to the number that was calling on Ubuntu phone
[17:11] <om26er> I have reported a bug for the first part, which I'd assume someone else will work on but the automatic call back part might be for you to investigate
[17:11] <boiko> om26er: oh, that's interesting
[17:18] <boiko> om26er: so, if you can get logs from telephony-service-approver and telephony-service-handler, those are the most interesting parts for us
[17:19] <om26er> boiko, where are they?
[17:19] <boiko> om26er: that's a good question :)
[17:19] <boiko> om26er: I usually start them manually when I need to get logs
[17:21] <om26er> boiko, you mean starting from terminal and paste the verbose output
[17:21] <boiko> om26er: yep, or check if any of those are crashing at some point, etc
[17:33] <wellsb> Is there a clean way to change an app's theme from dark to light.  No problems changing background color if the isLight of mainview style doesn't change, but if I change from a dark color to a light color, I get binding errors (still works, but it redraws everything)
[17:47] <nik90_> popey: uDraw works fine on saucy desktop while on phone the canvas is all black. Can we get this to the attention of who ever necessary. The app developer couldn't have seen this coming and falls in our shoulder to find out what is wrong.
[19:03] <popey> nik90_: yes. I'll look into it
[19:36] <AskUbuntu> publishing an app for ubuntu software center | http://askubuntu.com/q/346791
[21:39] <popey> beuno: "Changes can not be accepted and published at this time. Please try again later."
[22:02] <GuidoPallemans> remember this guys? https://lh3.ggpht.com/-GsprtTxx95U/UdwAEdtE8fI/AAAAAAAAJ_4/bh-KuQN7ItQ/s1600/unlocscreen03A.png    ?    I implemented it: https://github.com/brambram/QML-Lock
[23:17] <beuno> popey, odd. Are you sure it's in the click store, right?
[23:19] <popey> beuno: yes
[23:19] <popey> beuno: i downloaded the click package, ran the tests, they passed, so I pasted in the pass text and hit approve
[23:20] <popey> beuno: had to wait ages then the page refreshed with no change. I went back and there was that message
[23:20] <popey> beuno: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/41/
[23:21] <popey> beuno: also this guy is getting a 500 when uploading.. something is fishy https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/91/feedback/
[23:21] <popey> and now, bed.
[23:21] <beuno> popey, indeed, something's broken
[23:21] <beuno> I'll take it from here
[23:21] <popey> thanks beuno
[23:21] <beuno> popey, ah, it's a known prodstack failure
[23:22] <popey> beuno: be good if we could add some kinda bar along the top which lets people know things are busted, or maybe a twitter account or something
[23:22] <popey> anyway, bed for real
[23:23] <beuno> popey, night!


[09:49] <abogani> rtg: Are you around?
[10:03] <amitk> abogani: rtg should come online in 2-3 hours
[10:10] <abogani> amitk: Thanks Amit. I have a problem on -rt. Can you help me, please?
[10:11] <amitk> abogani: sure, what is it
[10:12] <abogani> amitk: Thanks. After last (security) update of the kernel X don't want start at boot with nvidia X driver on 64bit (32bit works fine).... I suspect that the problem still live in Hardy.
[10:12] <abogani> Where should I look?
[10:12] <abogani> Do you have some suggestions?
[10:12] <abogani> Who could explain me why 32bit version works fine and 64bit not?
[10:13] <amitk> abogani: is the problem in Gutsy?
[10:14] <abogani> amitk: Yes.
[10:17] <amitk> abogani: I am checking the updates...
[10:18] <abogani> amitk: I suspect that isn't dependent from last update only...
[10:19] <abogani> I have only one 64bit system and i don't update/dist-upgrade often
[10:30] <amitk> abogani: could you post the /proc/version_signature of the working and non-working kernels?
[10:33] <abogani> Unofficial for both
[10:35] <amitk> abogani: do you know the last tag where it was working?
[10:38] <abogani> amitk: Sorry i don't remember. :-(
[10:39] <amitk> that makes it a bit hard to narrow down the problem :)
[10:40] <abogani> I know Amit ;-)
[10:40] <amitk> abogani: Do you have the problem with Hardy Alpha 4?
[10:42] <abogani> amitk: No Hardy (-rt) works very well but unfortunately my test system don't have a nvidia video card. Sorry but i don't enough computers :-)
[10:43] <amitk> abogani: Do we _ever_ have enoughc computers? ;-)
[10:44] <amitk> could you confirm with the Hardy live cd on the computer with the nvidia?
[10:45] <abogani> amitk:  I'll do this test!
[10:45] <abogani> amitk: Thank you for the moment! :)
[10:45] <amitk> np
[10:53] <tjaalton> abogani: reinstall the driver
[10:53] <tjaalton> abogani: unless you are using -nv
[10:56] <abogani> tjaalton: Ok i'll try that first! Thanks Timo.
[10:57] <amitk> tjaalton: why?
[11:02] <tjaalton> amitk: that's a valid question, but people have said that it helped..
[11:02] <tjaalton> abogani: do you use the official driver or envy?
[11:03] <tjaalton> abogani: also, the logfile would be nice
[11:03] <amitk> tjaalton: packaging problem?
[11:04] <tjaalton> amitk: with envy at least, our packages should be fine
[11:05] <tjaalton> if the package doesn't divert some files, upgrading the server will break it
[11:05] <tjaalton> I'm not sure if envy diverts libglx et al
[12:07] <ogra> hey ... i seem to have lots of oopses recently with the -5 kernel related to tick_notify and _spin_unlock_irqrestore is that known ?
[12:07] <ogra> it spills my logs and after some hours the system just hardlocks
[12:07] <thegodfather> ogra: what about collecting those OOPSes?
[12:08] <thegodfather> it's difficult to guess without
[12:08] <ogra> well, in fact its always the same it seems
[12:08] <thegodfather> well it doesn't help if you don't show us your OOPS ;)
[12:09] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54836/
[12:09] <ogra> there ist is :)
[12:10] <thegodfather> ogra: it's somewhere in RPC code. i guess you are running NFS of somekind
[12:10] <ogra> lets check, i'm not sure
[12:10] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ ps ax|grep nfs
[12:10] <ogra>  6603 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep nfs
[12:10] <ogra> #
[12:10] <ogra> nop
[12:11] <thegodfather> rpc
[12:11] <ogra> ah, yeah
[12:11] <ogra> the client stuff
[12:11] <thegodfather> yeps
[12:11] <thegodfather> do you have some aggressive acpi features enabled?
[12:11] <thegodfather> well it's a laptop.. hmmm
[12:12] <thegodfather> try to disable acpid or whatever is used for power manager now
[12:12] <thegodfather> for what i can see something goes bad between the 2
[12:12] <ogra> i dont do it explicitly and i think there is an APIC message during boot ...
[12:12] <thegodfather> ACPI != APIC
[12:12] <ogra> ACPI not connected to local APIC or so ?
[12:12] <ogra> let me reboot i'll check
[12:13] <thegodfather> try to boot with the usual options.. noapic noacpi or whatever they are called now
[12:13] <thegodfather> because i run nfs/rpc stuff here but i don't see it
[12:13] <thegodfather> on the other side i don't run any power management stuff
[12:13] <ogra> (if booting wouldnt take 1h nowadays that would help :) )
[12:13] <thegodfather> just press the reset button :)
[12:13] <thegodfather> that's why we have journal FS'es
[12:13] <thegodfather> ;)
[12:14] <thegodfather> reboot -n -f will do
[12:14] <ogra> time not connected to IO-APIC ... no ACPI in that meassage, i was wrong
[12:14] <ogra> *timer
[12:14] <ogra> well, that speeds up shutdown ... booting is the painful thing here :)
[12:15] <ogra> to quote one of my favorite bugs: the worm on the screen is only 1cm long during boot and stops there for a minute or two *g*
[12:19] <thegodfather> it should be easy to figure the problem
[12:19] <thegodfather> there is only one call to spin_unlock_irq in the whole sunrpc driver
[12:19] <ogra> i wiped the nfs stuff for now ... nothing i  need anyway
[12:21] <thegodfather> and it might not even be a bug in sunrpc at the end
[12:21] <thegodfather> the code didn't change since Aug.
[12:21] <thegodfather> it's probably recalc_sigpending
[12:21] <ogra> did we switch to tickless recently ?
[12:21] <thegodfather> in .22
[12:21] <ogra> ah, well, no probs with .22
[12:22] <ogra> might indeed as well be the new hal and its powermanagement
[12:22] <thegodfather> no
[12:22] <thegodfather> this is a kernel bug... userland even if broken should not trigger this kind of OOPS'es
[12:22] <thegodfather> the thing is:
[12:22] <thegodfather> lock()
[12:23] <thegodfather> dononething()
[12:23] <thegodfather> unlock()
[12:23] <thegodfather> and you are getting an OOPS in the unlock
[12:23] <ogra> ah, right
[12:23] <thegodfather> so it might even be the unlock operation to be broken (very unlikely)
[12:23] <thegodfather> or the doonething that corrupts memory
[12:23] <thegodfather> (as an example)
[12:23] <thegodfather> anyway file a bug
[12:23] <thegodfather> the file is net/sunrpc/svc.c
[12:24] <thegodfather> there is only one call to that unlock thingy
[12:24] <ogra> will do
[12:32] <ogra> bug #89224
[12:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89224 in ubiquity "GrubInstaller failed with code 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89224
[12:32] <ogra> ??
[12:33] <ogra> oh
[12:33] <ogra> bug #189224
[12:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189224 in linux "sunrpc causes kernel oopses on 2.6.24-5-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189224
[12:33] <ogra> :)
[12:56] <kraut> moin
[16:50] <Kano> hi BenC , lum is still -6 not -7
[16:50] <rtg> Kano: upload are in process. patience.
[16:50] <BenC> so?
[16:51] <Kano> rtg: ok
[16:51] <BenC> Kano: lum can't build until the kernel does
[16:51] <Kano> well it did here already ;)
[16:52] <rtg> BenC: he is pointing out that the git repo hasn't been updated, but I just have been busy this morning.
[16:52] <BenC> ah, gotcha
[16:55] <tseliot> BenC: did you have a look at my suggestions on the wiki?
[16:57] <BenC> tseliot: haven't had a chance yet
[17:00] <tseliot> BenC: I hope we can do this before February 14. Envy works great with my solutions
[17:01] <benje> hello
[17:02] <benje> we have found how to resolv disk detection under kernel 2.6.24 with the fujistu amilio laptop
[17:03] <benje> patko, give the link to the modificated .config please
[17:04] <benje> did we must open bug for this version of the kernel ?
[17:05] <amitk> benje: that would be appreciated, thank you
[17:06] <patko> benje, here is the working .config: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54869/
[17:06] <BenC> Ok, in case people haven't seen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:06] <BenC> The regular IRC kernel team meeting is in session
[17:06] <benje> amitk, it's need review to stay generic we take off the ide generic support for this is working
[17:07] <amitk> benje: please attach the config to the launchpad bug
[17:07] <BenC> Agenda is at the URL above
[17:07] <benje> BenC, this is for me ?
[17:07] <BenC> this is for the channel
[17:07] <benje> amitk, which else file must we post the original dmesg and this for now
[17:08] <BenC> So a friendly request to hold off on general conversations until after the meeting
[17:08] <amitk> benje: yes. We can continue this after the IRC meeting
[17:08] <benje> ok
[17:09] <BenC> We are going to make this quick, since everyone is fairly busy
[17:09] <king_> ok
[17:09] <BenC> rtg: You've uploaded 7.11 today to fix the build failures in the 6.10 upload...guess we'll know soon if the builds process
[17:10] <rtg> indeed we will
[17:10] <BenC> rtg: since you've been closest with the kernel tree this release cycle...is there anything we should be concerned about with beta coming up?
[17:10] <rtg> some of the virtual features are new, virtio, kvm, etc. They are not part of 2.6.24.
[17:11] <rtg> iwlwifi remains at 1.2.0, but most of the other wireless cards are supported upstream.
[17:11] <rtg> there are some collision issues with legacy v.s. new drivers.
[17:11] <rtg> hopefully, blacklisting in modules-tools-init will help that.
[17:12] <BenC> I noticed the whole b43/legacy/bcm43xx issues...are they resolved now?
[17:12] <rtg> we'll see.
[17:12] <Kano> well it build the module
[17:12] <rtg> I'm sure Kano will let me know if they aren't.
[17:12] <Kano> the b43legacy
[17:12] <Kano> but i really prefer removing the pciids
[17:13] <BenC> Blacklisting is prefered, since it lets the user decide
[17:13] <rtg> black listing is effectively the same.
[17:13] <BenC> removing pci id's hard codes too much
[17:13] <Kano> echo bcm43xx >> /etc/modules
[17:13] <Kano> user decided
[17:13] <Kano> ;)
[17:13] <BenC> if the pci id's are removed, then the module wont bind to the device
[17:13] <Kano> not automatically
[17:13] <BenC> not at all, unless you echo the pci id's into newid in sysfs
[17:14] <BenC> unless you are just commenting out the MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE() in the driver, and that's the same as blacklisting anyway
[17:14] <BenC> but requires us to muck with the source
[17:14] <rtg> There are more issues with bcm then just PCI ids, it also depends on the SSB bus driver.
[17:14] <Kano> only the new one
[17:15] <Kano> well new 2
[17:15] <Kano> b43*
[17:15] <Kano> both depend on ssb
[17:15] <Kano> you could basically even disable bcm43xx
[17:15] <Kano> debian did that
[17:16] <rtg> We aren't gonna do that for now, so lets move on.
[17:16] <BenC> Right, let's hash this out on kernel-team@ where it needs to be
[17:16] <BenC> we know there is an issue, resolving it is beyond the context of the meeting
[17:16] <BenC> rtg: anything else?
[17:17] <rtg> I'm not as familiar with the current bug list as I should be.
[17:17] <rtg> so, there are probably other issues.
[17:17] <Kano> also has anybody else with the 64 bit no splash?
[17:17] <BenC> well, I was looking past the bug list
[17:17] <rtg> yep - I've seen it.
[17:17] <BenC> Kano: off topic...
[17:17] <Kano> thats a kernel issue
[17:17] <rtg> this -7.11 upload is against the 2.6.24 rebase
[17:18] <rtg> so, we'll have a stable code base against which to do our bug shooting.
[17:18] <BenC> rtg: excellent
[17:18] <rtg> thats it from me...
[17:18] <Kano> or kernel config
[17:18] <amitk> rtg: so we will go with upstream ALSA and iwlwifi for Hardy, correct?
[17:18] <BenC> amitk: mobile...you were at the sprint last week...anything we need to worry about with the kernel+beta for them?
[17:19] <rtg> amitk: correct.
[17:19] <amitk> BenC: not really
[17:20] <BenC> amitk: how important is 8.04 and 2.6.24 to UME right now?
[17:20] <amitk> all the mobile code is self-contained in it's flavour patchset and will probably go beyond Hardy
[17:20] <rtg> amitk squeaked in an lpia update this morning moments before I uploaded.
[17:21] <amitk> 8.04 is important to the customer, but schedules are tight and they _might_ not make it. So we will move them to a PPA after Hardy
[17:22] <amitk> rtg: yeah well.. I couldn't get back to sleep at 5am, so I pushed a patch instead ;)
[17:22] <rtg> sounds like jet lag.
[17:22] <BenC> insomnia goes hand-in-hand with last minute kernel patches, hehe
[17:22] <rtg> and FTBSs cause insomnia.
[17:23] <rtg> forgot to mention ndiswrapper updated to 1.52
[17:23] <amitk> rtg: is there anything else (major) that we will switch to LUM and upstream for Hardy?
[17:23] <rtg> nothing on the radar.
[17:25] <BenC> Ok, I think that covers us as far as status right now
[17:25] <BenC> Wanted to get some intros out of the way...joining us from a few weeks ago is Stefan Bader (sbader)...
[17:26] <BenC> stefanb I mean
[17:26] <stefanb> Hi :)
[17:26] <BenC> And just starting with Canonical on the kernel team yesterday is Colin King (king_)
[17:26] <king_> Hi too! :-)
[17:27] <BenC> Both are generalist on the kernel team, and will help handle our main workload for hardy 8.04 and beyond to following releases
[17:28] <BenC> And now some much needed, and usually avoided, discussion on our QA bug list
[17:28] <maks_> left freebsd king_ ?
[17:29] <king_> No.. I haven't touch FreeBsd for 10+ years now
[17:29] <BenC> So anyone who hasn't seen it, ogasawara (who is on the QA team, concentrating on the kernel) maintains this page: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/hardy-buglist.html
[17:30] <BenC> It's an excellent starting place for community to work with the kernel team
[17:31] <rtg> It needs serious love for the next few weeks.
[17:31] <BenC> I'm sure ogasawara would appreciate feedback on this page as well (please, don't punish her inbox with requests to get your bug added :)
[17:32] <BenC> Yeah, since 2.6.24 is released, and uploaded, this list is primary focus
[17:32] <ogasawara> feedback would be great.  I suppose I should add a blurb to the top about what the list for anyone new
[17:32] <BenC> The churn is at a minimum now, so stable code base to work from
[17:33] <BenC> ogasawara: something like "Go away if you value your sanity"?
[17:33] <ogasawara> heh
[17:34] <maks_> have you already some nfs patches?
[17:34] <maks_> we have reports that nfs on 2.6.24 is quite buggy
[17:34] <maks_> aka does not sustain load
[17:34] <maks_> both nfs v3 and v4
[17:34] <BenC> ogasawara: One thing we discussed earlier was being more liberal with "Wont Fix" on some of these reports, and working harder to assign and respond to them more quickly
[17:35] <BenC> maks_: is there an open bug report?
[17:35] <maks_> http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=120220211505693&w=2
[17:35] <maks_> lots of informal reports on channel too
[17:36] <BenC> Ok, we'll investigate that
[17:36] <ogasawara> BenC: so one thing I haven't done in the past few weeks is assign to anyone as I wasn't sure how much work you guys already had on your plates
[17:36] <BenC> ogasawara: that's my fault...I've been slacking on initial processing of your list
[17:37] <stefanb> I normally go forward and self-assign me from that list
[17:38] <BenC> That's good
[17:38] <king_> I probably need some assigning to me to kick off with
[17:40] <BenC> king_: Oh, I can get you started off right :)
[17:41] <king_> BenC: the more the merrier
[17:41] <ogasawara> oh no, famous last words :)
[17:41] <BenC> Ok, let's wrap this up so we can get back to work...any out-of-band issues to bring up?
[17:42] <BenC> excellent...meeting adjourned then
[17:42] <BenC> ogasawara: thanks for joining us on short notice
[17:42] <ogasawara> np
[17:43] <BenC> Thanks everyone, have a great week
[17:44] <stefanb> see you
[17:44] <king_> bye for now
[17:45] <amitk> benje: so please attach the .config to the bug report and add an explanation if necessary
[17:46] <rtg> amitk: ' hardy lpia   Successfully built  (NEW)'
[17:47] <amitk> rtg: ofcourse! you thought I would commit a broken patch at 5am? ;-p
[17:47] <rtg> amitk: and did you think I _didn't_ do a test build just to make sure?
[17:47] <BenC> hehe
[17:47] <tseliot> BenC: when can I ping you again?
[17:49] <BenC> tseliot: let me get some lunch...in an hour?
[17:50] <benje> amitk, ok
[17:50] <tseliot> BenC: ok, thanks :-)
[17:50] <amitk> rtg: :)
[17:50]  * amitk -> groceries
[17:51] <benje> amitk, do you need the old dmesg and the new . we start explain what's happened with std kernel
[17:52] <amitk> benje: add everything that you feel is necessary.
[17:54] <Kano> rtg: when i change version+ rules clean i have got this problem: http://paste.debian.net/48499
[17:55] <rtg> Kano: use 'debuild -b' from devscripts to catch all of the package build deps.
[17:56] <Kano> rtg: all installed, just not the other headers
[17:56] <Kano> i only compile generic
[17:57] <Kano> you have one binary
[17:57] <Kano> utils/mod-dep
[17:59] <rtg> Kano: build problems are outside my area of interest. Its building on the archive, so its right for me.
[17:59] <Kano> rtg: you have too many binaries to build it on etch
[17:59] <Kano> you usually dont need em
[18:00] <rtg> Kano: The hardy release is built within the Hardy environment. That is all I really care about (or am responsible for).
[18:02] <Kano> rtg: call it like you want: this is bad
[18:03] <benje> amitk, there many problem :  boot with gutsy => kernel panic => soluce set noapic ; cd desktop gutsy noapic => no cdrom => must use netboot cdrom ;
[18:05] <Kano> rtg: and: you only need to delete the file
[18:06] <benje> do you think i must separate the post amitk
[18:06] <Kano> rtg: ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/utils/mod-deps
[18:06] <Kano> delete it and it will be created when needed
[18:07] <benje> between gutsy and the kernel 2.6.24 ?
[18:08] <rtg> Kano: you're right. How in the _fuck_ did a binary get checked in?
[18:08] <rtg> yhis was a clean checkout from the ALSA HG repo.
[18:09] <Kano> maybe add it in the clean rule extra
[18:10] <rtg> Kano: the original source directory is cloned into a build directory before building. there should not be any binaries to begin with.
[18:17] <Kano> LANG= grep ELF -Rs *|grep Binary
[18:17] <Kano> pretty simple check for binaries
[18:27] <rtg> Kano: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy-lum.git;a=summary
[18:27] <Kano> fine
[19:19] <tseliot> BenC: are you there?
[19:32] <tjaalton> maks_: client or server? (NFS instability)
[19:34] <amitk> benje: I would restrict the report to Hardy for now, since it is unlikely that this will be fixed for Gutsy
[19:38] <benje> amitk, ok this is quick description with .config http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54902/
[19:38] <tjaalton> maks_: seems to be server, so that's probably why I havent seen that
[19:40] <benje> amitk, i take off all about gutsy ;)
[19:41] <amitk> benje: looks good. Make sure to attach the .config as an attachment, not inline text
[19:41] <amitk> benje: and leave the gutsy parts in there, it might help in debugging
[19:41] <benje> ok amitk
[19:59] <benje> amitk, i found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/178843 the message is the same for the first boot of 2.6.24 about noapic but not for the same model and not all the same problem . do i post to it or open a new one?
[19:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178843 in linux "kernel panic on boot in kubuntu 8.04 alpa 2 becouse of Apic" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:00] <benje> must i
[20:03] <amitk> benje: new bug with a comment listing the other bug number
[20:35] <benje> amitk, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/189368
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189368 in linux "kernel panic with notebook Amilo Xa 2528 P5811 kernel 2.6.24" [Undecided,New]
[23:33] <tormod> would be nice if someone could look at, and at least triage/milestone bug #186062. thanks
[23:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186062 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "please update linux-wlan-ng (prism2_usb) to latest upstream version (>=1847)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186062
[23:46] <rtg> tormod: from here? linux-wlan-ng-0.2.8/src/prism2/driver
[23:46] <tormod> rtg: no, from svn. Where do you document where the code comes from?
[23:47] <rtg> tormod: I didn't do this one. the previous guy didn't leave any tracks.
[23:47] <tormod> bad guy ;) svn://svn.shaftnet.org/linux-wlan-ng/trunk
[23:48] <rtg> tormod: put the svn URL in the LP report so we can remember it.
[23:48] <tormod> ok
[23:48] <tormod> what about Ubuntu changes, are they documented beside the commit comment?
[23:49] <rtg> tormod: I'll put a BOM file in the prism2_usb directory (Bill of Materials)
[23:51] <tormod> anyway, the only Ubuntu changes I could see by looking at the git history, are included upstream.
[23:51] <tormod> s/only//
[23:53] <rtg> tormod: does it need an updated p80211 ?
[23:53] <tormod> yes, they are hand in hand
[23:54] <tormod> p80211 was supposed to be something general for several drivers, it ended up in monogamy with prism2
[23:55] <tormod> I think l-u-m used to have p80211 as a subdir of prism2 or the other way around.
[23:59] <rtg> tormod: ok, test building.


[05:03] <flocculant> knome: you've not got rid of me - will still be about for another 18 months at least :p
[05:03] <flocculant> sorry to disappoint you :)
[05:03]  * Unit193 hands knome the stabbity stabbity.
[05:03] <flocculant> ha ha
[06:11] <knome> flocculant, nah :)
[06:11] <knome> isn't a bad idea to thank for work even if people aren't going away :P
[06:12] <knome> but now.. something completely different eg. "real" work
[08:24] <akxwi-dave> cheer knome
[08:26] <knome> :)
[22:05] <ochosi> humm, since when do we require registered nicks? was there a spam attack i didn't notice?
[22:07] <Unit193> Since end of August.
[22:12] <ochosi> interesting
[22:12] <ochosi> seemingly i was never unidentified since then
[22:12] <ochosi> thank you, remote bouncer
[22:19] <Unit193> You were, but netsplit took you out yesterday.


[03:49] <devnull_> hi all what are the hot keys to pin windows to left and right of screen(not move to another desktop found that one)
[03:50] <devnull_> is it hold shift and drag the window to the left or right-if so im having trouble with this?
[03:51] <guiverc> keyboard shortcuts are found here in the manual https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/F/keyboard_shortcuts.html   (note you didn't provide release; stable = 22.10 being the latest stable release)
[03:52] <guiverc> there is no specific left-side right-side shortcut defined (due to issues found on phab site)
[03:52] <guiverc> devnull_, ^
[03:53] <devnull_> sorry, thats what im on, can i make custom
[03:58] <devnull_> if i wanted to make a custom command to pin window in focus to left/right of screen what the command look like?
[03:59] <devnull_> Im in the  global actions manager and would like to add two customs, one for pin right, one for pin left
[04:00] <devnull_> (which is where you create shortcuts/hot keys
[04:00] <devnull_> also what is a phab site
[04:01] <devnull_> never mind phab site googled
[17:43] <lubuntu> saluds


[02:44] <GhostPython> hie all
[10:07] <sword_> how do i install java plug-in fr firefox?
[10:08] <sword_> i tried installing using synaptic but web sites still dont open
[10:09] <vil> sword_, you should find it in either one of these gcjwebplugin, sun-java5-plugin, sun-java6-plugin
[10:10] <vil> you also need to restart firefox
[04:59] <harpi> this i better, 4 peeps to talk to instead of 1500 on #ubuntu
[04:59] <harpi> hello all
[05:03] <harpi> i am writing a howto installing java and freenet on ubuntu 6.06, i should be a simple howto for newbies but somehow it get to complicated, it makes me start all over after 30min, i also have no idea how to hack this
[05:04] <harpi> the idea is to post the howto on indymedia
[05:07] <man-di> what is the problem?
[05:08] <harpi> so i was wondering if i can find a fool to do this together with??
[05:09] <harpi> i do all the writing and translation in dutch and german
[05:10] <man-di> you mean a text editor?
[05:11] <harpi> huh no the translation of the howto in 3 languages
[05:12] <man-di> I dont get what you want, sorry. Please explain different
[05:12] <man-di> even in german if you like
[05:14] <harpi> oke i'll try, i was a windows user for years until  i got a mp3 virus. i switch to ubuntu and was lurking ever sinds. now i want to contribute and write a howto. this howto is for installing freenet on ubuntu. freenet needs java and that brings me here
[05:17] <man-di> ok
[05:18] <harpi> brb doorbell rings,
[05:31] <harpi> installing freenet is simple but installing jvm or jre is not i have no experience with java and that is why i need your help
[05:34] <harpi> can i paste 5 lines of error?
[05:37] <man-di> sure
[05:38] <harpi> java.lang.NullPointerException
[05:38] <harpi>    at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.processConnections(WriteSelectorLoop.java:584)
[05:38] <harpi>    at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:864)
[05:38] <harpi>    at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run(WriteSelectorLoop.java:800)
[05:38] <harpi>    at java.lang.Thread.run(libgcj.so.7)
[05:38] <harpi> java.lang.Exception
[05:39] <harpi>    at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:865)
[05:39] <harpi>    at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run(WriteSelectorLoop.java:800)
[05:39] <harpi> 8 lines :-[
[05:39] <man-di> this is with GCJ
[05:39] <man-di> have you tried with SUN?
[05:39] <harpi> yes, same
[05:39] <man-di> I think freenet dont works with old gcj from dapper
[05:40] <man-di> then its a bug in freenet I would say
[05:40] <man-di> I know the main freenet coder cursed SUNs NIO impl for being incompatible between releases
[05:41] <harpi> so best to try a earlier version of jvm?
[05:41] <man-di> best to report bugreports to freenet
[05:43] <harpi> sure that to, but in the meantime bug are not going to fixt soon so...
[05:43] <harpi> to be fixed that is
[05:44] <man-di> you can ofcourse look into the source yourself and try to fix it
[05:44] <man-di> but freenet source is really strange
[05:44] <man-di> at least last I looked
[05:45] <harpi> i know it is abacadabra to me as well and i am realy not up to that
[05:48] <harpi> don't the nubers give anything away about the cause ?
[05:49] <man-di> the numbers are the line numbers in the Java source
[05:50] <man-di> so it might help debugging the bug
[05:53] <harpi> debugging the bug, err, i have no idea what you mean to me it sounds like killing the dead bird :-$
[05:55] <man-di> its useful for upstream
[05:55] <man-di> for the freenet developers
[05:55] <man-di> not really for others
[05:56] <harpi> aah oke i am talking to them on channel freenet as well
[05:58] <man-di> they surely know more about this stuff
[05:58] <harpi> i hope


[03:54] <blackboxsw> toolsmith: if you get a chance to file a bug @  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug requesting "jinja-template doesn't support 'do' extension. I bet we can fix it pretty easily it looks like all we'd need is to load the jinja2.ext.do extension during our template rendering. Then you wouldn't have to workaround a lack of that extension in cloud-init jinja handling.
[03:54] <blackboxsw> Testing on my end I got do commands to work with only this diff https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5KY4PGd6kg/
[03:56] <blackboxsw> we'd only need a minor add to unittests tests/unittests/test_templating.py to exercise that case.
[03:58] <blackboxsw> https://paste.opendev.org/show/bBfoMnqjJr4BNP8jL4zi/ if you don't have Ubuntu SSO login :
[03:58] <toolsmith> blackboxsw that's great. I'll open a bug tomorrow morning EST. Thanks again.
[03:59] <blackboxsw> rock! I'll either put up a branch or can help shepherd a pull request from you into cloud-init upstream if you were so inclined.
[06:50] <jonx> Hello. I'm currently experiencing an issue where VMs I launch it vsphere with a static IP configuration is falling back to DHCP before cloud init completes its build. Has anyone experienced this issue before?