[17:10] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[17:10] <lupineay> 16:55 <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[17:10] <mirak> also multi file grab doesn't work
[17:10] <mirak> so maybe i need to reinitialise settings or something, I didn't tried with a clean user to test yet
[17:10] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[17:10] <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: jailfire, snort?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> mirak: did you try instead of highlight, just drag and release?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: virtual machine perhaps?
[17:11] <ramkamx> lotuspsychje: snort is for network ... jailfire looking for it
[17:11] <ramkamx> vm no, it will make a real hard disk
[17:12] <mirak> lotuspsychje, you can't drag without highlightinh
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: can you tell us more of the purpose exactly?
[17:12] <vlt> ramkamx: Just losetup?
[17:12] <ramkamx> the idea is to clone the structure (just files and folders, no data) of an external hard disk, then move files around, compare the new and old, and apply some bash
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> mirak: i just dragged a file into a folder in nautilus, works like a charm here
[17:13] <mirak> i have to reset nautilus settings or something
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> mirak: how about you go try in the guest account as a test?
[17:14] <mirak> lotuspsychje, i don't have one
[17:14] <vlt> ramkamx: You don't even need a separate file system for that. Just a directory.
[17:14] <mirak> but i will create a user
[17:14] <ramkamx> vlt, more?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> mirak: the guest account is default on ubuntu, you dont have to create one
[17:14] <ramkamx> vlt: tried some time ago with symlinks, things get ugly at some point
[17:14] <vlt> ramkamx: You can use something like "find" and "touch" to get this job done.
[17:15] <ramkamx> vlt: yeah could do that. it gets tedious quite quickly and it's nowhere near fast
[17:16] <Diarmuid> qui veu baiser
[17:16] <vlt> ramkamx: What is it you actually want to achieve then?
[17:16] <tomreyn> !ot | Diarmuid
[17:16] <BugzBunny> lupineay: Hardly the sound card would crash
[17:16] <ramkamx> what i wont to do is relatively simple, it's just about organizing the contents of about 10 external hard disks, by choosing what i move where, then, commit once i"m decided
[17:16] <vlt> ramkamx: There's LVM.
[17:17] <ramkamx> vlt, now we're talking :-)
[17:17] <ramkamx> taking a look
[17:17] <lupineay> BugzBunny: so what is it when the different options in sounds play through on the settings disappear?
[17:17] <BugzBunny> lupineay: The sound card drivers is part of the kernel, the kernel would panic if that happen
[17:17] <lupineay> so why are the options disappearing and sounds not working on certain apps?
[17:17] <BugzBunny> lupineay: The problem could be mixuture of the drivers and pulseaudio
[17:17] <vlt> ramkamx: Your last post before my LVM suggestion doesn't sound like LVM would be of much help.
[17:17] <Valette> ana
[17:17] <s10gopal> can anyone please tell me output of git describe --contains  301f8d7463b1f3d1fdb56ee1cb4abb674094531d ?
[17:18] <ramkamx> vlt, yeah maybe LVM is too far fetched
[17:18] <hggdh> s10gopal: contextless reference
[17:18] <lupineay> BugzBunny: does pulseaudio generate logs
[17:18] <ramkamx> isn't there a viable utility that allows to catalog an external hard disk and manage delayed "move, rename, delete" ?
[17:18] <s10gopal> hggdh: i dont have any linux machine now , thats why i want output of that command
[17:19] <BugzBunny> lupineay: I'd like to see what ALSA sees
[17:19] <hggdh> s10gopal: git describe <commit> will list the most recent tag associated with the commit
[17:19] <BugzBunny> Pulseaudio crashes
[17:19] <xgpt> is there a way to make a (non)raspberry-pi running pretty much straight up Ubuntu, mainline kernels etc. reboot into a shell RELIABLY after a hard-power-cycle EVERY time even if there's file system corruption? Is there a way to automate file system checking and then also make sure that the file system check happens, does what it can to save/correct files, and then reboot automatically if it can't boot from
[17:19] <ramkamx> vlt, basically, i want to organize multiple disks, with the comfort of the GUI and without having to connect all the 10 disks at the same time
[17:19] <xgpt> that post-filesystem-check state?
[17:20] <BugzBunny> hggdh: So, you signed the code of conduct?
[17:20] <s10gopal> hggdh: can you please tell me output ?
[17:20] <lupineay> BugzBunny: does alsa have output logs
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !arm | xgpt can this help?
[17:21] <xgpt> not really ubottu lol, but thanks
[17:22] <tomreyn> s10gopal: this command is specific to a git repository you need to have checked out beforehand.
[17:23] <s10gopal> tomreyn: it is linux repo git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
[17:23] <kostkon> lupineay, you could try refreshing your pulse config with   rm -rf ~/.config/pulse   then  pulseaudio -k  and  then  pulseaudio -D
[17:23] <ramkamx> vlt: basically, i'm looking of an equivalent of this - https://www.wincatalog.com
[17:23] <tomreyn> s10gopal: right, not everyone has a copy.
[17:24] <s10gopal> tomreyn: how i can check it online ?
[17:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: that's maybe a question for #git or #linux
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> !alis > s10gopal very handy for specific questions in the right channels
[17:25] <hggdh> s10gopal: go to https://kernel.org, you can browse the kernel git trees there
[17:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: replacing git:// by https:// in the reposiotry url may help
[17:26] <s10gopal> thx
[17:28] <dot-matrix> Does anyone know a way to install or built the network mapper app nutty that actually works?
[17:28] <dot-matrix> I've done my googling due diligence
[17:29] <mirak> lotuspsychje, it works with other account
[17:30] <zerorax> can I resize my rootfs from inside the installed system?
[17:30] <zerorax> or do I need to use live usb to do it?
[17:30] <mirak> i did that : gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.nautilus
[17:30] <mirak> and it works now
[17:31] <EriC^^> zerorax: no, you need a live usb
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !yay | mirak
[17:31] <zerorax> EriC^^, okay thanks
[17:32] <zerorax> There should be some way to resize without a live usb, like a mini kernel with parted on it and maybe a curses menu
[17:32] <zerorax> so you could tell it to reboot into the partitioning kernel and do what you selected then you can boot back into the system
[17:32] <zerorax> I have a windows partitioning tool that does that, but it was expensive
[17:33] <petro> I have a question that is not really about support...do I ask in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> petro: what kind of question do you mean?
[17:33] <petro> I wanted opinions about using amd radeon cards vs nvidia... I wonder if I should switch to a radeon card
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> petro: ##hardware would be suitable
[17:34] <petro> lotuspsychje, is that ubuntu/linux centric?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> petro: not really linux specific no, if your question is about ubuntu, you can use #ubuntu-discuss
[17:35] <petro> lotuspsychje, okay, thanks
[17:38] <vlt> zerorax: You _can_ resize without a live CD (as long as you increase the size).
[17:38] <zerorax> I need to decrease it
[17:38] <vlt> zerorax: Then you can try to do it from initramfs. Should be possible.
[17:38] <zerorax> I need to have space on my NVMe to install my ubuntu variant to
[17:48] <amatias> Olá
[17:48] <Nastya> Hej!
[17:49] <tomreyn> !br | amatias
[17:49] <tomreyn> that's unless you're happy speaking english
[17:49] <amatias> Ok, Tank's
[17:56] <alpha__> can some one help with a broken ubunt
[17:57] <compdoc> whats the proble
[17:58] <alpha__> cannot boot from the advance screen
[17:58] <alpha__> keep getting a blank screen
[17:59] <compdoc> did it ever work?
[17:59] <alpha__> yes untill i done a upgrde
[18:00] <alpha__> i need to restore all my data which is in its own home partition on my hdd
[18:01] <alpha__> all my broswer links etc and documents
[18:01] <alpha__> so ubuntu was installed on sda2 and home on sda3 partition
[18:01] <compdoc> you can reach the advance screeen? can you boot from there?
[18:02] <alpha__> i can get into the advance screen
[18:02] <alpha__> and get a menu
[18:03] <compdoc> you might want to edit grub. they probably updated it
[18:03] <alpha__> what do i need to edit?
[18:04] <compdoc> they would have saved the old conf file as .old, or something
[18:04] <alpha__> ok so what do i need to do?
[18:07] <compdoc> I would boot a live cd version of ubuntu, then mount the drive and have a look
[18:07] <compdoc> look in /boot/grub
[18:08] <compdoc> see if they saved your old .cfg
[18:11] <alpha__> so if i boot from dvd or usb in live boot
[18:12] <alpha__> then look in the boot folder of the broken system
[18:12] <alpha__> on sda2
[18:12] <compdoc> right
[18:14] <compdoc> do you remember setting a grub option to deal with your screen when you first installed?
[18:14] <alpha__> in what respect?
[18:15] <compdoc> theres a common option people set named nomodeset
[18:15] <compdoc> thats never helped me, but it helps some
[18:16] <alpha__> i have booted from live boot and looking in boot/grub folder i see grub.cfg
[18:16] <compdoc> yes
[18:16] <compdoc> do you see a grub.cfg.old
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[18:17] <alpha__> no
[18:17] <mindofmateo> Hello, I just set my launcher/application menu to "hide" by sliding into the edge of the display when it isn't being used, however now whenever I move the cursor over to the edge to get it to pop out, it is beneath all of the open windows.  How can I change this so it is always on top?
[18:17] <compdoc> make sure youve mounted your drive
[18:18] <alpha__> yes drive is mounted
[18:19] <AJ2> hello
[18:19] <compdoc> then have a look in /var/logs
[18:19] <compdoc> there are a couple logs that might show you the errors
[18:20] <compdoc> */var/log
[18:20] <alpha__> what logs do i need to look at
[18:21] <compdoc> one might be the apt logs. see what was updates. do you use a propritory video drivers?
[18:22] <AJ2> Hi All.  I need some help with my Ubuntu 16.04.  On my netwrok all my devices have an IP as 192.168..xxx, but for some reason the IP on my Ubuntu server is 192.168.10.x.  Due to this reason I am not able to ssh into theis machien from the same network and moreoever from outside my home network. In my router settings I do not even see this ubuntu pc; therefore I can safely say I have not assigned a static IP to this machine on my router.
[18:22] <compdoc> *what ws updated
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> AJ2: try #ubuntu-server channel
[18:24] <alpha__> im not sure on the video drivers thin generic
[18:24] <compdoc> thats good
[18:25] <vlt> AJ2: 192.168.10.x is part of 192.168.x.x.  What exactly is the problem?
[18:25] <compdoc> is anything showing in the dmesg log? scroll to bottom and look for errors
[18:26] <AJ2> vlt... my mistake. every device on my network is 192.168.1.x
[18:26] <AJ2> but this ubuntu is on 192.168.10.x
[18:26] <TJ-> AJ2: is this the CM1000 > netgear nighthawk > ... issue still?
[18:26] <alpha__> on what log file?
[18:27] <AJ2> this ubuntu machine is hardwired into my switch, so I do't understand where its getting this 192.168.10.x from
[18:27] <AJ2> yes TJ
[18:27] <vlt> AJ2: Did you get this IP address via DHCP?
[18:27] <AJ2> its getting frustrated
[18:27] <AJ2> vlt: I am assuming so
[18:27] <TJ-> AJ2: do you have a physical console on the PC?
[18:28] <AJ2> by physical console, if you mean a dedicated pc, then yes
[18:28] <TJ-> AJ2: when you left last time I think we'd got an idea what might be going on... but I've forgotten now! Let me review my logs
[18:28] <TJ-> AJ2: no, I mean do you have physical monitor and keyboard access?
[18:28] <AJ2> yes
[18:28] <vlt> AJ2: You could try to assign a second IP address manually to something like eth0:0, for example, and try to ping. The problem might be a collision if the address is already taken.
[18:29] <AJ2> problem with assigig a second ip is that I won't be able to access the ubuntu machone from outside my network, which is my real purpose
[18:31] <AJ2> I don't if this matters, but previously this machine has centos on it.  Didn't need it, so I installed ubuntu over it now..
[18:32] <TJ-> AJ2: ok, this is where we got to:
[18:32] <TJ-> 2018-04-06 09:09:41     TJ-     tomreyn: Are you able to continue with AJ3 sorting out the IP address issue? Looks like the nighthawk might have the wrong MAC address
[18:32] <TJ->  in the address reservation - that has to match the PC it's assigned to so needs comparing to the Ubuntu PC.
[18:32] <AJ2> so there was no address reservation
[18:32] <Kumool> how do you bind media keys?
[18:32] <Kumool> is it impossible?
[18:33] <TJ-> AJ2: can the PC ping any other device on the LAN?
[18:33] <AJ2> let me check
[18:35] <AJ2> When I try to ping a pc on the 192.168.1.x from the ubuntu machine it just hangs..by that i mean it doesn't return anything
[18:35] <brainwash> Kumool: does the cli tool "xev" detect those keys when you press them?
[18:35] <AJ2> It makes sense that it can not do that because the subnets are different
[18:35] <Kumool> brainwash, it does, but it shows them as 0 0 0 0
[18:36] <brainwash> Kumool: without a unique key name?
[18:36] <Kumool> brainwash, xmodmap shows the keycode
[18:36] <s10gopal> now ubuntu 18.04lts features are final or still more will be added ?
[18:36] <brainwash> Kumool: I guess then you should be able to map them
[18:36] <AJ2> You think formatting my machine and doing a fresh install woud make a difference?  Maybe something ogt left there from the time when centos was installed?
[18:37] <TJ-> AJ2: what's the name of the wired interface "ip link show" ?
[18:37] <AJ2> enp3s0
[18:37] <TJ-> AJ2: no, I don't think so. We can manually get it on the LAN so we can pastebin some diagnostics from it
[18:37] <s10gopal> TJ-: on git bisect i am on commit what is in v4.12-rc7 , it is correct ?
[18:38] <TJ-> AJ2: OK, get it on the LAN with: "sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev enp3s0"
[18:38] <TJ-> s10gopal: I've not been following; I though jsalisbury was dealing with it
[18:39] <AJ2> ok
[18:39] <AJ2> done... but still when i do a ifconfig, it still shows only <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:39] <TJ-> AJ2: now add a default route: "sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp3s0"
[18:39] <s10gopal> TJ-: i am just asking general question , i am doing bisect , 4.12 and 4.13-rc1 and git bisect is on commit which is on v4.12-rc7 , how it is possible ? v4.12-rc7 is older than v4.12
[18:40] <TJ-> AJ2: use 'ip' not ifconfig: "ip addr show dev enp3s0"
[18:41] <AJ2> it returns file exists on the last command you wanted me to do
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <TJ-> AJ2: ok, that means it may have added it, check if there is already a default route: "ip route show"
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <TJ-> AJ2: then try "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" (that *is* the nighthawk address isn't it) ?
[18:41] <AJ2> ok.. i did the ip addrs show enp3s0 and I see the <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:42] <AJ2> yes, that i shte ip address of the nighthawk
[18:42] <BillyCrook> shoot, sorry for flooding, having a terminal problm here
[18:43]  * BillyCrook needs to read irssi manual
[18:43] <TJ-> AJ2: so, the PC may not have DNS resolving but it should be able to reach IP addresses on your LAN, and hopefully on the Internet (if the default route is set)
[18:43] <TJ-> AJ2: it's a 16.04 ubuntu-server install is that correct?
[18:45] <AJ2> correct TJ
[18:46] <TJ-> AJ2: on the Ubuntu PC run this command to collect the syslog then give us the URL it reports: "tail -n 2500 /var/log/syslog | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999 "
[18:46] <TJ-> AJ2: I'm eating dinner now so will be slower responding, but report the URL and I'll start reviewing the log
[18:48] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/orxm
[18:48] <BillyCrook> that's cool.  is termbin your peojrct TJ-?
[18:50] <TJ-> AJ2: interesting, the PC is requesting the 10.101 address... but that log seems to be missing messages from just beforehand. Lets try to find them! What time/date does this show? "ls -l /var/log/syslog.1" ?
[18:51] <AJ2> Apr 7 06:25
[18:52] <TJ-> AJ2: ahh, so logrotate ran right in the middle of the bits we want so we have to check 2 files! show us "tail -n 2500 /var/log/syslog.1 | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999"
[18:53] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/wui5
[18:54] <TJ-> AJ2: are you sure typed syslog.1 there? the content is identical
[18:54] <s10gopal> !help nc
[18:55] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/t2ea
[18:55] <TJ-> AJ2: that's better! Give me a few minutes to read it
[18:56] <TJ-> AJ2: the interesting bit starts at "Apr  6 11:03:38 " where it requests a DHCP lease
[18:57] <AJ2> yea i noticed that
[18:57] <phenoble> Hi everyone. A quick question:  I am noticing that ~/.profile is not being read by neither the virtual terminals ( the ones reachable via C-M-Fn ), nor e.g. the root terminal on the boot menu.
[18:57] <TJ-> AJ2: you notice that the DHCP /server/ is <IP_ADDRESS> ? Isn't that your VoIP phone device!?
[18:57] <AJ2> i was trying some dhclient command last night trying to renew it
[18:58] <TJ-> AJ2: you *cannot* have 2 DHCP server's on the same segment - the nighthawk should be the only one
[18:58] <phenoble> Now, how am I supposed to idiomatically set my environment in all circumstances / scenarios, e.g. X server GUI, virtual terminals, and a root terminal?
[18:58] <AJ2> let me check my router
[18:59] <TJ-> AJ2: simple test - power off or unplug the network from the VoIP device, then reboot the Ubuntu PC
[18:59] <akik> phenoble: did you try $HOME/.bash_profile ?
[18:59] <AJ2> so according my nighthawk, the voip phone has ip address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:00] <TJ-> AJ2: something in your network is operating on <IP_ADDRESS> and is offering DHCP which your Ubuntu PC is then talking to
[19:00] <TJ-> AJ2: I'd check what you've got the Ubuntu PC plugged into physically because it isn't the nighthawk!
[19:00] <phenoble> akik:  no. I have my default shell set to zsh, so I didn't think about bash.
[19:01] <akik> phenoble: ah ok. sorry i've only used bash
[19:01] <akik> phenoble: man zsh will probably list the initialization files
[19:01] <AJ2> i have 1 test i can do... it will take me offline here for a moment, but I will be back.  I'll plug my ubuntu machine from the switch right into the wall which i know is connected my router
[19:02] <AJ2> this will bypass my switch and voip
[19:02] <phenoble> akik:  I just created a copy of .profile, named .bash_profile, and logged into another virtual terminal:  same behaviour. Not being sourced/loaded.
[19:02] <TJ-> AJ2: I suspect you've got the VoIP device connected to the switch, and it is grabbing the DHCP session, not the nighthawk. You cannot have 2 DHCP servers on the same ethernet segment
[19:03] <AJ2> yes, the vopi devie is conneted to the switch
[19:03] <AJ2> so does a vopi device act as a dhcp server>
[19:03] <jluc> Hello
[19:03] <akik> phenoble: yes it's for bash, not for zsh
[19:04] <AJ2> but according my router --> attached devices... the vopi device has <IP_ADDRESS> IP
[19:04] <TJ-> AJ2: most do, because you connect 'dumb' phone devices to them so they have to give out IP addresses
[19:04] <akik> phenoble: https://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/zshbash-startup-files-loading-order-bashrc-zshrc-etc/
[19:04] <TJ-> AJ2: Check the admin console for the VoIP device, I bet it's operating a DHCP server on <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:05] <AJ2> let me restart my ubuntu first and see if this solves
[19:05] <TJ-> AJ2: if it isn't the device then there's something else on you network operating on that address with a DHCP server active
[19:05] <akik> phenoble: that seems to imply ~/.zshrc is always executed
[19:05] <phenoble> akik:  thank you, yes. That's the post I created my setup from, and have my current understanding about it all from ^^.
[19:05] <phenoble> akik:  I was expecting the virtual terminals and the root terminal to be login shells.
[19:05] <AJ2> whats the reboot command thru terminl?
[19:06] <TJ-> AJ2: for Linux? "sudo systemctl reboot"
[19:06] <akik> phenoble: i think they are for the virtual consoles?
[19:06] <phenoble> akik:  .zshrc is not the correct place to set the environment. You don't want this to happen every time a zsh is opened, e.g. in a tmux split.
[19:06] <AJ2> so what i have done is unplugged the power o my voip
[19:07] <AJ2> and am restarting my ubuntu now
[19:07] <TJ-> AJ2: how many ports does the switch have? how many are connected, and what to?
[19:08] <AJ2> i be damned... resarted ubintu and it has ip now of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:08] <TJ-> AJ2: yep. As I expected
[19:08] <AJ2> so how do i get my vopi phone to work
[19:09] <AJ2> so it has 8 ports
[19:09] <AJ2> i wonder if i turn on my voip now
[19:09] <AJ2> the ubuntu machione should not get a new ip from it
[19:09] <TJ-> AJ2: ahow many ethernet ports does the voip device have?
[19:11] <AJ2> just a LAN and internet port
[19:11] <TJ-> AJ2: right, and the 'Internet' port should be directly connected to the Nighthawk, and the LAN port to the phones... but you /cannot/ connect the LAN side to a switch if the nighthawk is also connected to that switch
[19:12] <TJ-> AJ2: because the VoIP device is operating a DHCP server on the LAN side, with the <IP_ADDRESS> subnet, which must be on a separate Ethernet segment
[19:13] <AJ2> so all i needed was the vouip to be connected to the intenet port and not lan port
[19:13] <AJ2> so looking at my setup now.. i had internet port and lan port going to my switch... :) Ohhh... LOL
[19:15] <TJ-> AJ2: network should look like this. Two Ethernet segments.  PCs <> LAN switch <> nighthawk <> Internet Port < VoIP > LAN Port > VoIP only switch > phones
[19:16] <TJ-> AJ2: the VoIP device is a gateway/router too, for the phones.
[19:16] <AJ2> now i setup port fowarding to that ubuntu... let me see if ican ssh into now
[19:18] <AJ2> it works
[19:19] <TJ-> AJ2: thank %$^&! for that !
[19:19] <AJ2> thank you so much TJ
[19:19] <phenoble> akik:  apparently, $WINDOWID is not set in terminals that were not spawned in X. This can be made used to set up the environment in .zshrc, if necessary.
[19:20] <phenoble> akik: problem solved, thank you anyway!
[19:20] <AJ2> I guess I don't understadn then why these vopi devices have a LAN port
[19:20] <AJ2> why would anyone want them to act as another dhcp device
[19:20] <TJ-> AJ2: because it's a gateway/router
[19:21] <TJ-> AJ2: because it needs to control the options and network config of the phone devices
[19:21] <lesshaste> I am happily using vncserver but sometimes it dies, which is a pain. Is it possible to save the state of vncserver so that I can at least have something to resume if it dies?
[19:22] <AJ2> so I guess my question now is, what am i going to miss or not have if its not connected to LAN
[19:23] <TJ-> AJ2: nothing. As I said earlier, if you have multiple phone devices you need a dedicated switch connected to the VoIP server's LAN port, and the phones connected to that switch, not the switch connected to the nighthawk
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> lesshaste: be carefull with vnc, as its a security risk
[19:23] <lesshaste> lotuspsychje,  thanks
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | lesshaste instead
[19:23] <lesshaste> but I still need to solve the state saving problem
[19:24] <TJ-> AJ2: if you have an intelligent managed switch you can assign ports to different VLANs and isolate them that way, but for simple unmanaged switches that's not possible
[19:24] <AJ2> thanks again tj... i need to run now, but will back later
[19:32] <Wizard> Hi
[19:33] <noraatepernos> I have a rare case for a file system that can have up to 10 billion inodes.  Is there any reason I can’t have Ubuntu run on a 20G ext4 and mount a separate btrfs (with all the smal files)?  I’m not sure if inodes are handled at the partition level or if ubuntu would care.
[19:33] <alpha__> if i have two partitions one containing ubuntu on sda2 and my home folder on sda3 and I want to reinstall a broken 16.04 ubuntu to sda2 how can I restore my hone folder in the new instalation?
[19:34] <Wizard> So, I installed Steam (from "Software") and installed Europa Universalis IV later. I launcehd it, first screen appears, I click "Play"… and then I hear menu music and nothing happens, no window, no menu, no nothing. EU4 process is running, music is playing, CPU is busy but I don' see anything. Ubuntu 17.10, extra repos added by VS Code and Spotify only
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> alpha__: when installing an ubuntu, setup will ask to preserve your /home
[19:35] <TJ-> noraatepernos: inodes are file-system concept. Linux can have as many file-systems mounted as you can provide :)
[19:36] <noraatepernos> TJ-: Okay thanks.  I’m going to do some experimenting now.  We were using Dynamodb as a very crude key-value store (all it’s good for, imo) and its write provisioning was becoming cost-prohibitive.
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: wich graphics card chipset and xorg or wayland?
[19:39] <alpha__> ok can you please walk me through an new install using a usb/dvd where will it ask to preserve your /home and will it allow all in my home folder to be accessable in the new instalation?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> alpha__: setup will ask you what to do, upgrade, install next to current setup, or install clean
[19:40] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: Seems like nvidia, nouveau, wayland
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: better login to xorg mate, nvidia & wayland is work in progress atm
[19:41] <alpha__> i am using a live boot usb i dont seem to get that meaasge?
[19:41] <alpha__> when i try to do an install
[19:41] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: How? :D
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: logout, and at gdm3 login, choose XORG session
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: another option could be testing wayland + nvidia-390 driver from ubuntu graphics ppa
[19:46] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: I hate PPA
[19:47] <Wizard> I'll try xorg session, thanks
[19:47] <NeuhNeuh> Hi :)
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: we dont reccomend external ppa's neither here, but in some cases the ubuntu graphics ppa can be a solving
[19:47] <NeuhNeuh> I use Ubuntu 16.04 but I have a problem with PHP. PAM Module is not present and I can't isntall it
[19:48] <NeuhNeuh> And I don't find packages for that
[19:48] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: I'm gonna give PPA a try
[19:49] <NeuhNeuh> And pecl fail with build
[19:49] <lorogue> Hello all ^
[19:50] <nobody> hello lorogue
[19:50] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh I believe the packages are libpam-mysql and pamtester
[19:50] <lorogue> A lot more users here than I expected ^^
[19:51] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Oh ? I test :)
[19:51] <NeuhNeuh> I try *
[19:51] <alpha__> is there any expert who can fix a broken ubuntu instalation?
[19:52] <lorogue> Broken how?
[19:52] <NeuhNeuh> No, don't work ;:(
[19:53] <alpha__> tried to do a update but was forced to do a partia upgrade then the system stoped working
[19:53] <alpha__> i can boot in the advance screen
[19:54] <alpha__> checked for broken packages
[19:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: what did you upgrade form and to, what forced you to do a partial upgrade, what did it say (if you still remember)?
[19:55] <alpha__> but when trying to do a normal reboot get the ubuntu screen with red dots it does one then screen goes blank and no mouse pointer
[19:55] <tomreyn> form -> from
[19:56] <alpha__> it just forced and upgrade im not sure what it upgraded to fron 16.04
[19:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: so you're on the recovery menu now? the purple one?
[19:57] <alpha__> yes i have been in that menu
[19:57] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh they're in the repositories...could you do  the following:   cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999       and post the link please
[19:57] <alpha__> tried various things still the same
[19:58] <tomreyn> alpha__: do you have backups?
[19:58] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Maybe its because I use « Ubuntu » ARM Ports ?
[19:58] <NeuhNeuh> -« »
[19:58] <slidinghorn> ah...that could be important info to include in your question NeuhNeuh
[19:58] <alpha__> not sure of the main ubuntu - i have my home folder on another disk partition
[19:59] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Ah sorry :)
[19:59] <NeuhNeuh> http://termbin.com/yuby
[19:59] <s10gopal> i have installed linux kernel but i cant see it in grub , how to fix it ?
[20:00] <alpha__> so would like to try and fix the broken instalation or re install ubuntu but be able to get to my home folder on other partition
[20:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: sometimes, on a very broken system, reinstalling can be faster than spending a lot of time on trying to recover (and then maybe end up with a system which works but is in a worse state than a fresh install, with untracked files lying around somewhere), that's why i'm asking.
[20:01] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh maybe try in #ubuntu-arm - they're more specific to your build I think
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: When I try to install this package, he say « package exist in database »
[20:01] <s10gopal> tomreyn: can you please help me ?
[20:01] <lorogue> I would prolly use a liveCD to grab the files I wanted and then reinstall..
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> Okay
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> Thank's
[20:01] <tomreyn> s10gopal: not right now, trying tro help alpha__ currently.
[20:02] <alpha__> ok if i create another partition on my drive and reinstal a fresh version of ubuntu how do i link it up with my home folder which is on a different partition?
[20:02] <tomreyn> alpha__: you said something about ubuntu 16.04, but i didn't understand whether that's the ubuntu release you had before the incident or now. also, can you explain what prompted you to start an upgrade and how you did it?
[20:03] <alpha__> on my drive i have ubuntu 16.04 instaled which worked all ok untill the update / upgrade
[20:04] <alpha__> that the version i had before
[20:04] <alpha__> can i roll back the upgrade?
[20:04] <tomreyn> alpha__: you can do a fresh install of ubuntu to this same partition you had it on so far, and then after the installation is done and you booted into it, you can just modify the fstab file to make it mount the old file system to /home, and reboot
[20:05] <alpha__> ok how do i modify the fstab file and mount the old file system to /home
[20:06] <alpha__> will i not get a home folder on the fresh instal of ubuntu?
[20:06] <tomreyn> alpha__: it's still unknown whether what you did was an update (installing just bug fixes and security patches) or an upgrade (such as 16.04 -> 18.04). an upgrade requires running do-release-upgrade or manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list (so if you did neither then you did not do an upgrade). rolling back upgrades is not possible.
[20:08] <alpha__> well i did not actualy do that i just run the update program which then said it could only do a upgrade and clicked the button
[20:08] <tomreyn> yes the new install will have a /home directory as well. once you reinstalled you can reboot recovery, clean up /home on the ubuntu 'system' partition so it's empty, then make the fstab modification to /etc/fstab , then reboot and you'll have what you used to have.
[20:09] <alpha__> ok can you explain how to do that
[20:09] <s10gopal> tomreyn: thx grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg solved my problem
[20:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay,lets take a quck look at the broken system you have now to get an idea of what you had there in terms of other software, what may have gone wrong (to learn how to prevent it from happening again), shall we?
[20:10] <alpha__> yes
[20:10] <tomreyn> s10gopal: glad you could solve it on your own
[20:11] <alpha__> what do i need to do?
[20:11] <tomreyn> alpha__: so boot into recovery, you said you know how to do this?
[20:12] <alpha__> ok i am just going to do that
[20:12] <tomreyn> alpha__: actually, before we do this, do you have a usb stick with the latest 16.04 on it?
[20:12] <alpha__> yes
[20:12] <tomreyn> 16.04.4 LTS that is
[20:12] <alpha__> yes
[20:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: which architecture is this? amd64, i686, arm64?
[20:13] <alpha__> shall i boot into live boot from the usb?
[20:13] <geniek> Hello
[20:13] <alpha__> its intel
[20:13] <alpha__> chip set
[20:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, have you successfully started your computer with the live stick before?
[20:14] <alpha__> the usb live boot works
[20:14] <alpha__> yes
[20:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: cool, okay so boot into emergency now
[20:14] <vivid> im having trouble building ffmpeg with 'debuild -b -j5' and i cannot seem to find the relevant info on why its failing, just says dh_auto_test: cd debian/standard && make -j5 -O check -k returned exit code 1
[20:14] <alpha__> so live boot from the usb or recover from the old system?
[20:15] <lorogue> wonder if it is possible to remote connect to a liveUSB session.. Off to google!
[20:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: recovery from the old system.
[20:15] <alpha__> ok just a min
[20:15] <slidinghorn> vivid is there any reason you can't use the version in the repositories?
[20:15] <vivid> yes i need nvenc
[20:16] <vivid> ive been building this previously without any issues so im rather confused as to why its begun to fail
[20:17] <slidinghorn> vivid this looks like a job for the #ffmpeg channel
[20:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: once you're there, select the option to enable network
[20:17] <vivid> well except this is debian packaging which they did not write..correct?
[20:17] <alpha__> ok
[20:17] <vivid> afaik dh_auto_test is a debian specific thing
[20:17] <dli> lorogue, you can install packages in a liveusb session
[20:17] <alpha__> have selected network
[20:17] <vivid> where do i find the relevant logging or error reporting from debuild
[20:18] <alpha__> have wired connection to router
[20:18] <alpha__> and run the network
[20:18] <alpha__> shall i drop into root sheel?
[20:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: yes please
[20:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:19] <alpha__> ok
[20:19] <vivid> lets see if it fails when not run in parallel
[20:20] <alpha__> yes i get 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq ttl
[20:20] <alpha__> and it keep increment the seq
[20:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, nctrl-x now. then run: lsb_release -ds
[20:21] <lorogue> @dli, what I was thinking about what if it possible to remote connect to a liveCD session (please note that I am completely new to linux, working my way through things). So if I wanted to help a friend, he could boot with a liveCD session. Kind of a "if planets align" kind of thing, but yeah..
[20:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: ... and tell me what it says exactly.
[20:21] <alpha__> how do i stop the oing?
[20:21] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c
[20:21] <tomreyn> sorry, had a typo there
[20:21] <alpha__> ok then what
[20:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: what i said :)
[20:22] <alpha__> ok
[20:23] <Hulio> hi, how to make ASUS USB-N10 work in ubuntu 16.04 LTS ?
[20:23] <Hulio> Ubuntu don't detect it
[20:23] <MissMiew> hello, I used "sudo apt-get upgrade" for my updates but I still have 3 security updates listed. how do I install them? thank you.
[20:24] <compdoc> sudo apt-get dist-de
[20:24] <compdoc> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:24] <alpha__> it said no command run: lsb_release -ds  found did you mean runc
[20:24] <alpha__> runc (universe)
[20:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: run "lsb_release -ds" and tell me what it says exactly
[20:24] <Hulio> can someone help me how to make ASUS USB-N10 wireless work in ubuntu?
[20:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: do not run "run"
[20:24] <Hulio> this is too complicated, it wont' detect
[20:25] <alpha__> ok
[20:25] <MissMiew> compdoc thank you Kindly! it seems to be working. should I only use that command from now on?
[20:25] <tomreyn> !patience | Hulio
[20:25] <alpha__> its says ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[20:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, what's the output of: uname -a
[20:26] <nobody> I certainly will, if I know the answer
[20:27] <slidinghorn> Hulio which version (16.04/17.10/etc) and flavor (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu) are you using?
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: actually you dont need to type all of this. do this instead:
[20:27] <Hulio> 16.04 x64  UBuntu
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: this should return a HTTP address, hopefully less typing for you
[20:28] <alpha__> Linux tau-M660SE 4.4.0-119-generic #143-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 2 16:08:22 UTC 2018 i 686 i686 i686 GNU/LINUX
[20:28] <Hulio> let me reboot
[20:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: now run "lscpu" and tell me what "model name" is
[20:31] <alpha__> doing that command with the 9999 gives the following nc: getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
[20:31] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, we can ignore this one for now. what about the lscpu?
[20:32] <alpha__> what do you want fro the lscpu
 alpha__: now run "lscpu" and tell me what "model name" is
[20:33] <alpha__> Intel (R) Core(TM) 2 Duo CPU T6400 @2GHz
[20:35] <tomreyn> alpha__: hmm, that's old. but it's nice it still works.
[20:36] <tomreyn> alpha__: also onthe "lscpu"output, what does it say for "CPU op-mode(s)" ?
[20:36] <alpha__> 32bit, 64bit
[20:39] <tomreyn> alpha: okay, alsomost done. now what'S the output of: dmidecode -t memory | grep MB$
[20:39] <tomreyn> (including the dolloar character)
[20:40] <thinky> hello
[20:40] <thinky> firefox icon on desktop is very huge
[20:40] <thinky> how can i fix it?
[20:40] <alpha__> size 2048MB
[20:41] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, just this one line of output, right?
[20:41] <alpha__> no lot of data in relation to that last command
[20:42] <alpha__> sorry yes just one line
[20:42] <thinky> also there is a folder named = " in home/user
[20:43] <thinky> no idea how and why it has been created
[20:43] <simonizor> You probably made it.
[20:43] <simonizor> No sane app is gonna make that folder lol
[20:43] <thinky> why would i create a folder named = " ?
[20:44] <alpha__> getting SMBIOS data from sysfs SMBIOS 2.4 present size 2048MB
[20:44] <simonizor> Why would anything create that folder?
[20:44] <simonizor> Exactly.
[20:44] <thinky> i wish i knew
[20:44] <thinky> looks like a bug or virus
[20:44] <kostkon> thinky, do you get an option to resize the icon when you right click on it?
[20:44] <simonizor> Odds are user error
[20:44] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, summing up this is apparently a Clevo M660SE, with a 64-bit capable intel core 2 duo T6400 cpu, with 2 GB RAM.
[20:44] <hggdh> thinky: probably a mistype
[20:44] <thinky> kostkon: no it doesnt give option when i right clich
[20:44] <thinky> i tried
[20:44] <kostkon> thinky, ok
[20:44] <simonizor> On Linux, when stuff goes wrong and you can't explain why, most of the time it's user error lol
[20:45] <thinky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1756501
[20:45] <thinky> it seems it is a bug
[20:45] <alpha__> yes that would be correct but i have never been able to install a 64 bit os
[20:45] <kostkon> thinky, yeap
[20:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is important to know in case you'll choose which ubuntu variant to install next. you used to have the 32-bit ubuntu installed. and with 2 GB of RAM, this makes most sense.
[20:45] <thinky> but no solution yet?
[20:46] <alpha__> yes and the iso of the installed ubuntu is a 32bit
[20:46] <simonizor> It actualy doesn't make sense to install 32bit OSes anymore
[20:46] <kostkon> thinky, you could try setting a different one, try right clicking then properties then clicking on its icon. what release are you on
[20:46] <simonizor> A lot of software isn't supporting 32bit anymore
[20:46] <alpha__> and the usb live boot is also 32b
[20:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: you should probably also consider not running the default ubuntu flavour but rather xubuntu or ubuntu mate or even lubuntu
[20:46] <simonizor> So if you can do 64bit, you should
[20:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: the default desktop will make this computer feel slower than necessary.
[20:47] <alpha__> ok
[20:47] <thinky> 59.0.2 - 64bit
[20:47] <kostkon> thinky, Ubuntu release
[20:47] <thinky> ah sorry
[20:47] <thinky> 16.06
[20:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: now, your choice: try to fix the system or prepare a fre install
[20:47] <tomreyn> fre -> fresh
[20:47] <thinky> 16.04
[20:47] <alpha__> try and fix first
[20:47] <kostkon> thinky, ok, you could try setting a different one and see if it will go back to its nomrla size
[20:48] <thinky> where does firefox keep icon sets?
[20:48] <oerheks> thinky, the solution is in the last comment: wait for 60, of fix it manually
[20:48] <oerheks> and gives the path for example
[20:48] <kostkon> thinky, my thinking is that you could just download your own firefox icon and set it as its icon, temporarily until the bug is taken care of
[20:48] <tomreyn> alpha__: alright. earlier something seemed to be wrong with name resolution (dns). let's look into this more closely: grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf
[20:48] <thinky> ok
[20:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: it may just say "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>".
[20:49] <Bashing-om> petro: ;; here ... your card will support the 390 nvidia driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/132530/en-us .
[20:49] <thinky> i will wait for v60
[20:49] <thinky> is ubuntu virus free?
[20:49] <kostkon> !virus
[20:50] <thinky> thx
[20:51] <kostkon> thinky, you can always install your favourite adblocker script blocker etc in firefox
[20:51] <alpha__> it says no such file or directory
[20:51] <thinky> i use ABP
[20:51] <thinky> adblocker
[20:51] <kostkon> thinky, ok good
[20:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: i think you have mistyped it. try again?
[20:52] <tomreyn> grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf
[20:52] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: got the script installing on the other computers, of course there were a few other files that were old and I had to remove. But now I'm trying to get one computer that has a wifi to share its internet via a small hub with the other 2 computers
[20:52] <designbybeck3> Know of any easy way to share the wifi from one computer, through a hub, so others computers can access the hubs internet via ethernet cable
[20:53] <kostkon> !tethering
[20:53] <kostkon> nope
[20:53] <alpha__> i have retyped the following grep nameserver etc/resolv.conf
[20:53] <alpha__> and it comes up with the same message
[20:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: did you omit the leading slash before "etc"?
[20:54] <lorogue> Gnight all ^^
[20:54] <SlidingHorn> designbybeck3, This is for 17.10 - not sure how well it'd work with other versions, but check it out: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[20:54] <alpha__> yes
[20:54] <kostkon> !ics | designbybeck3
[20:55] <NeuhNeuh> Lol OK
[20:55] <NeuhNeuh> php-pam is not installable on my laptop too
[20:56] <alpha__> still the same message with the leading slash
[20:56] <SlidingHorn> NeuhNeuh, did you try in #ubuntu-arm regarding your problem originally?
[20:56] <designbybeck3> Thank you SlidingHorn and ubottu I'll check them out now!
[20:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, that's my bad, sorry. let me see how to fix this
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: please type (exactly): echo <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:00] <NeuhNeuh> SlidingHorn: Yes but I have problem on my laptop (x86 CPU)  too
[21:00] <NeuhNeuh> same problem
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: please type (exactly): echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: ^ typo fixed
[21:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: once this is done run: ping ubuntu.com
[21:01] <SlidingHorn> NeuhNeuh, well let's start first with your original problem...what did they say in #ubuntu-arm?
[21:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: see if you get 64 byte packets form there, and press ctrl-c to cancel it.
[21:02] <alpha__> no packets
[21:02] <alpha__> just a blank flashing cursor
[21:03] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok, does "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" work though?
[21:03] <alpha__> yes
[21:05] <tomreyn> alpha__: what's the output of: cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 9999
[21:06] <xgpt> my new installation of ubuntu doesn't trust let's encrypt certificates? how do I add them to whatever keychain of trusted root certs are out there?
[21:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: if it starts with "http://termbin.com/" then just tell me the remaining characters on that line.
[21:07] <MissMiew> hello, simple question. where can i find the login logs for my system? thank you.
[21:07] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/1lke
[21:07] <tomreyn> xgpt: which ubuntu version did oyu install there?
[21:07] <SlidingHorn> MissMiew, check out /var/log/auth.log
[21:07] <tomreyn> MissMiew: /var/log/auth.log
[21:07] <alpha__> 1lke
[21:08] <xgpt> it's an offshoot called armbian
[21:08] <xgpt> tomreyn:
[21:09] <NERD-k> Someone use shadowsocks-libev?? How to let it to don't display listening ??
[21:09] <MissMiew> thanks!
[21:09] <tomreyn> xgpt: i'm afraid we dont support it here.
[21:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: thanks. does this work: ping -c3 ix.de
[21:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: does it get 64 bytes form something?
[21:11] <kostkon> xgpt, it's probably Debian based anyway
[21:11] <alpha__> no just some command with switches i.e, -c
[21:11] <hggdh> it is, it is based on Jessie
[21:11] <xgpt> kostkon: no, it's definitely just ubuntu
[21:11] <linux_user> Hello all!
[21:12] <xgpt> hggdh: it's based on both stretch AND ubuntu, they just adapt them into images for these little boards
[21:12] <kostkon> xgpt, ok it's just we only support official derivatives here
[21:12] <xgpt> just, how would I go about reinstalling it from ubuntu repos?
[21:12] <SlidingHorn> xgpt, armbian is not ubuntu.  they do have a channel (though it's not official).  Check out #armbian
[21:12] <hggdh> xgpt: OK. But, still, we do not know anything about it here
[21:12] <xgpt> SlidingHorn: it's dead, just want to know how to reinstall the main SSL certs
[21:12] <linux_user> I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:13] <xgpt> hggdh: okay, I'm magically having the exact same issue on ubuntu. How would I fix it?
[21:13] <SlidingHorn> xgpt, well unfortunately, armbian isn't supported here.
[21:13] <NeuhNeuh> So, hop I'm giving up about this php-pam. I'm very tired to « fight » this package lol ++
[21:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: what does "cat /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" say, any "nameserver" lines?
[21:13] <NeuhNeuh> Good night :)
[21:13] <NERD-k> Good Night??
[21:14] <NERD-k> 05:13 AM here
[21:14] <alpha__> no such file or directory
[21:14] <xgpt> y'all are soooo friendly. Thanks for the help. I just ran "sudo apt purge ca-certificates && sudo apt install ca-certificates and it solved the problem." I was just afraid it was going to bork the apt-get https nonsense
[21:14] <xgpt> but thanks
[21:14] <SlidingHorn> !derivatives | xgpt
[21:15] <tomreyn> ...
[21:16] <tomreyn> in fact, it probably would have.
[21:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh i missed your response sorry, le me see... so for some reason i don't understand, you can connect to ipv4 addresses just fine, but name resolution fails.
[21:18] <linux_user> I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: we setup a nameserver (<IP_ADDRESS>) which you can reach (as tested) in /etc/resolv.conf on this ubuntu 16.04 system running in emergency mode, but this did not fix it.
[21:19] <TJ-> alpha__: tomreyn "apt list resolvconf" - does it report [installed]
[21:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: i have a 17.10 VM here where i tested this approach, and it worked. but since you have 16.04 it might behave differently. still, i would have expected this to work there, too.
[21:19]  * linux_user says: I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: please try TJ-'s command
[21:21] <alpha__> ok typing in TJ command gives
[21:21] <alpha__> apt list resolvconf lisiting done
[21:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: no ned to type it all, just tell us if it says "[installed]"
[21:21] <tomreyn> *no need
[21:22] <TJ-> tomreyn: alpha__ looks like resolvconf isn't installed
[21:23] <tomreyn> alpha__: so this was the only line of output really?
[21:23] <tomreyn> "Listing... Done"?
[21:23] <TJ-> tomreyn: alpha__ and worse, apt doesn't know there is a resolvconf package
[21:23] <alpha__> resolvconf/xenial-updates, now 1.78ubuntu all [installed] N: There is 1 additional version, please use the -a switch to see it
[21:23] <TJ-> alpha__: aha, OK, it's there. Phew!
[21:24] <tomreyn> TJ-: any idea why name resolution fails, though? i dont seem to get it
[21:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm trying to recreate the problem in a 16.04 LXD container right now :)
[21:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: resolvconf is supposed to be the source for libc, but there's also name service switch.
[21:25] <TJ-> alpha__: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" report?
[21:25] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh thanks. the original issue why alpha__ is seeking assistence with us is that some kind of an update or upgrade (NOT initiated by manually editing sources.list or running do-release-upgrade) failed, and the system does not boot up further than the boot splash screen now.
[21:26] <tomreyn> (so a bunch of things *might* very very broken)
[21:26] <tomreyn> *be
[21:27] <alpha__> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[21:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: my plan now is to determine whether this system can be saved, or need sa reinstall. alpha__ sas /home is on a separate partition, so it's not too big an issue, but would prefer not to.
[21:28] <Kumool> linux_user, you need to add the repository
[21:28] <linux_user> well the first think I am curious about is making sure that the CD is being presented to the OS properly as its being done in a virtual environment
[21:28] <Kumool> linux_user, debian has a good guide, because debian distributes the entire repo as 3 dvds, you can search on how to do it
[21:29]  * tomreyn brb
[21:29] <TJ-> alpha__: that's correct. what's the name of the dev interface? "ip route show | grep default"
[21:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: we can force resolvconf to add an entry - we just need to know the interface name
[21:30] <Kumool> linux_user, "If you want to use the 2 other DVD's as package sources. Insert one DVD and as root apt-cdrom add -d /media/your_username with sudo sudo apt-cdrom add -d /media/$USER Next apt-get update" https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337534/how-to-install-dvd-2-and-3-of-debian
[21:30] <Kumool> (literally the first hit when i googled)
[21:31] <oerheks> now google with VM ..
[21:31] <alpha__> defualt via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp0s4 proto statis metric 100
[21:32] <Kumool> that's a bit more complicated and it depends on the VM
[21:32] <TJ-> alpha__: do this:  " echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | resolvconf -a enp0s4.dhclient   "
[21:32] <linux_user> Kumool: I am very sorry, I must have not really said what I am trying to figure out. I am not looking for someone to do google searches for me. I am interested in figuring out the requirements to do it when the system is virtualized, that is what I found little google results for. yeah?
[21:32] <Kumool> linux_user, what VM are you using?
[21:32] <TJ-> alpha__: once you've done that, if there were no errors it won't display any messages
[21:32] <linux_user> VMware
[21:32] <linux_user> I installed 17.10.1
[21:32] <Kumool> and can you not make an image?
[21:33] <linux_user> huh?
[21:33] <linux_user> I downloaded the ISO
[21:33] <linux_user> I didn't have to make it
[21:33] <Kumool> so the iso is in the OS?
[21:33] <linux_user> I am using Ubuntu, it is not Debian
[21:33] <linux_user> no
[21:33] <oerheks> https://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_disk_add_cd_dvd.html
[21:33] <linux_user> the ISO is on the HOST OS and is being presented as a virtual CDROM to the guest
[21:34] <Kumool> i really don't understand the problem
[21:34] <linux_user> let me try to explain
[21:34] <linux_user> I downloaded the ISO from Ubuntu (the ISO used for installing)
[21:34] <Kumool> i've never used vmware, maybe that's the problem...?
[21:34] <alpha__> is the " " in between the nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:35] <TJ-> alpha__: type it exactly as I showed it
[21:35] <linux_user> I understand if you didn't, but that's why I specified its part of the equation
[21:35] <linux_user> it can make a difference I suppose
[21:35] <linux_user> I know how to google
[21:35] <linux_user> but
[21:35] <linux_user> I don't want Debian instructions as their ISOs might be different from Ubuntu
[21:35] <Kumool> the cd is presented to the OS properly, or else you couldnt install the OS in the VM
[21:35] <linux_user> you see what I am trying to get is the precise way to do it specifically for Ubuntu
[21:36] <linux_user> one second okay?
[21:36] <Kumool> linux_user, unix is unix, ubuntu answers usually apply to debian and vice versa
[21:36] <Kumool> its only the tidbits that differ between distros
[21:37] <Kumool> and try that link that oerheks replied with
[21:37] <SlidingHorn> linux_user, let me see if I understand this:  You have an ubuntu host, and and ubuntu guest.  You want to use an ISO image of a repository from which to install software on the guest?
[21:37] <TJ-> linux_user: the Ubuntu ISO images have a *small* number of packages on them presented just like the archive servers that apt uses. There are two directories, /dists/ and /pool/ - after install from a DVD apt will sometimes have a reference to the installer in /etc/apt/sources.list as "cdrom file:///dev/cdrom ..."
[21:37] <linux_user> that thing is for WS 5, I have WS14, ok, I thought I'd find people here experienced with Ubuntu not a bunch of googlers
[21:37] <linux_user> SlidingHorn, precisesly
[21:37] <TJ-> alpha__: is that done now? if so, try "ping -c 5 archive.ubuntu.com"
[21:38] <alpha__> im having a bit of aproblem tying to type the commmand
[21:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: did you check if alpha__ has an open firewall on this system?
[21:38] <linux_user> TJ: yes I see that but its commented out
[21:38] <linux_user> I am going to uncomment it but
[21:38] <tomreyn> TJ-: no. did not.
[21:38] <linux_user> 1 sec phone
[21:38] <TJ-> linux_user: right, because most people remove the media so it'd hang apt every time you do 'apt update'
[21:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm wondering if DNS port 53 is blocked :)
[21:39] <TJ-> alpha__: eaxctly as I've written it:  echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | resolvconf -a enp0s4.dhclient
[21:39] <tomreyn> TJ-: well it must have worked previously if an update or upgrade somehow failed in the middle
[21:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: I've ceased being surprised at the mysterious changes users can apply without remembering :)
[21:40] <alpha__> ok the ubuntu ping worked
[21:40] <tomreyn> TJ-: glad to have you, i wasn't familiar with overriding the resolve rconfig
[21:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: back to you! alpha__ has DNS
[21:40] <tomreyn> TJ-: wohoo :)
[21:40] <alpha__> the nameserver command just retuns a flashing curser
[21:41] <tomreyn> alpha__: what is "the nameserver command"?
[21:41] <TJ-> alpha__: that's fine
[21:41] <linux_user> TJ: I understand, I tried to mount the CD and got all this isolinux stuff in their and no repos
[21:41] <linux_user> let me check my VM
[21:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: the command I gave piping into resolvconf
[21:41] <tomreyn> oh ok
[21:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: do some more ping <name> tests to satisfy yourself it's OK, then you can move on :)
[21:42] <TJ-> termbin capture of logs maybe/
[21:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you "ping -c1 ix.de" and get a 64-bit packet?
[21:44] <alpha__> no cant get a ping with that command
[21:45] <alpha__> ok
[21:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: "ok"?
[21:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: what is ok?
[21:45] <alpha__> yes did get a ping back when put space inbetween -c1 and ix
[21:46] <linux_user> TJ: 1, my install CD is /dev/sr1 and I was about to do "sudo mount /dev/sr1 /mnt"
[21:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: yes, once you do things right, they magically happen to work!
[21:46] <tomreyn> ;-)
[21:46] <alpha__> yes
[21:46] <Mr_Cyclops> tomreyn, well said :DS
[21:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, great, so i think you to have proper internet access now. do you have the pastebinit software installed? run "pastebinit -v"
[21:46] <Mr_Cyclops> :D
[21:46] <alpha__> i dont think so
[21:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: what makes oyu not think so?
[21:47] <Kumool> you can make it
[21:47] <linux_user> using Kumool instructions, (following Debian's procedure) I did an apt-cdrom add -d /mnt
[21:48] <linux_user> https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[21:48] <alpha__> im not sure
[21:48] <linux_user> ^ this is my output in pastebin
[21:48] <linux_user> https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[21:48] <linux_user> ^ this is my output in pastebin
[21:48] <Kumool> oh wait, is alpha linux_user ?
[21:48] <linux_user> huh?
[21:48] <linux_user> who is alpha?
[21:48] <TJ-> linux_user: you can do that. does it have a Debian-compliant apt archive directory struture on it /dists/ and /pool/ ?
[21:48] <linux_user> I have no idea
[21:48] <linux_user> I thats why I am here looking for assistance
[21:48] <alpha__> its say patebinit currently not installed
[21:48] <linux_user> what is a debian compliant etc?
[21:48] <tomreyn> alpha__: so what'S the output of "pastebinit -v"?
[21:49] <linux_user> Ubuntu is just like Debian per Kumool
[21:49] <linux_user> is it?
[21:49] <linux_user> is it not?
[21:49] <linux_user> I am asking
[21:49] <alpha__> currently not installed
[21:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh you just said so, ok
[21:49] <TJ-> linux_user: please don't use Enter as punctuation, it makes it difficult to follow the ongoing support session
[21:50] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay we will continue using the nc termbin.com 9999 thing. now please show the url returned by: apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:50] <tomreyn> alpha__: take good care about proper spelling there, please
[21:50] <alpha__> should i install it?
[21:51] <TJ-> linux_user: Ubuntu is a Debian derivative so it follows all the Debian policies and file structures.
[21:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: no need for now
[21:51] <alpha__> ok
[21:51] <linux_user> TJ: ok, so, how do I check or why would I need to check if the ISO follows "Debian compliant, etc..."?
[21:52] <TJ-> linux_user: look for the 2 directories I mentioned. /dists/ contains the release info and lists of packages (e.g. release xenial) and /pool/ comtains directories for the actual binary .deb package files
[21:52] <linux_user> I understand from Kumool its basically the same then, yes? like CentOS used to be to RedHat just different logs but exactly the same OS?
[21:52] <linux_user> ok, 1 second TJ
[21:52] <alpha__> ok just typed that last command
[21:52] <alpha__> came back with
[21:53] <_omega_> how the hell can I just get mdadm to sync a blank new drive that replaced a dead one from the raid10 array
[21:53] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/nqnlf
[21:53] <linux_user> TJ: Yes, it seems to have all that.
[21:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: alright, you are very focussed on security, that's good. unfortunatley you lost access to standard ubuntu somehow, though
[21:55] <TJ-> _omega_: did you fail and remove the dead drive
[21:56] <_omega_> TJ-: the dead drive was dead and not even part of the array when I discovered
[21:56] <_omega_> it has been removed and a new one put in
[21:56] <_omega_> now I need to tell it to make /dev/sdd part of /dev/md2
[21:57] <_omega_> and I guess that's where I'm stuck
[21:57] <oerheks> tomreyn, i see this large ppa in his list https://launchpad.net/~dirk-computer42/+archive/ubuntu/c42-backport
[21:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you show the output of: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:57] <_omega_> (i'll bb shortly)
[21:57] <TJ-> _omega_: the general form is "mdadm /dev/mdX --add /dev/sdY"
[21:57] <linux_user> TJ: Did you see what I said, I see you are helping many people! :)
[21:58] <TJ-> _omega_: so "sudo mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sds"
[21:58] <TJ-> _omega_: so "sudo mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sdd"
[21:58] <tomreyn> oerheks: thanks for pointing this out. some of these can be core/base packages.
[21:58] <TJ-> linux_user: you confirmed you could see the archive layout on the /dev/sr1 :)
[21:59] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/mmn00
[21:59] <linux_user> TJ: Yes, when I mounted it, yes
[21:59] <tomreyn> alpha__: does this computer-42 PPA ring a bell? any idea why your default package repositories are commented out (diabled)?
[22:00] <TJ-> linux_user: so what do you want to do with it? tell APT to use it?
[22:00] <linux_user> yes
[22:00] <linux_user> did you see the pastebin I posted?
[22:00] <alpha__> no idea
[22:00] <linux_user> that was the output after the apt-cdrom command
[22:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: did you install this computer, are you the only person managing it?
[22:00] <alpha__> yes
[22:01] <alpha__> no other users just me
[22:01] <TJ-> tomreyn: unless my eyes have gone, that pastebin shows the standard archive entries are active
[22:02] <TJ-> tomreyn: check if 'apt' is from our packages or one of those PPAs!
[22:02] <oerheks> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: you're right. why did apt update not show this, though?  http://termbin.com/nqnlf
[22:03] <ericrajuin> hello, which package is the c++ doc ref in ubuntu repo ? thanks
[22:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: there's a version of apt in that c-42 PPA, maybe it's been 'hacked'
[22:03] <tomreyn> ugh
[22:04] <TJ-> alpha__: show us " apt-cache policy apt | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[22:04] <tomreyn> just wanted to ask the same :)
[22:04] <alpha__> if i run the last command again i get
[22:05] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/bxau
[22:05] <linux_user> YJ: https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[22:05] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, this is probably unchanged. now do what TJ asked for, please
[22:05] <Budgii> Can someone help me with this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371482
[22:05] <alpha__> and each time i run it get different /
[22:05] <linux_user> YJ=TJ
[22:06] <alpha__> ok
[22:06] <Budgii> specifically where it says make the folowing script
[22:06] <saikoatlocalhost> did i join the wrong channel
[22:07] <Budgii> saikoatlocalhost, what were you wanting to join?
[22:07] <saikoatlocalhost> i got kicked from #debian cause i spoke in the support channel
[22:07] <saikoatlocalhost> is there an offtopic
[22:07] <SlidingHorn> saikoatlocalhost, you didn't get kicked - you were told about an offtopic channel
[22:07] <alpha__> i get http://termbin.com/yvpy
[22:08] <saikoatlocalhost> it won't let me connect then *shrug*
[22:08] <saikoatlocalhost> anyway
[22:08] <TJ-> linux_user: so there's nothing much on the ISO that matches the installed release/architecture ?
[22:08] <SlidingHorn> saikoatlocalhost, there is also #ubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat
[22:08] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, you won a free resintall
[22:08] <linux_user> TJ: Not sure I follow your question
[22:09] <tomreyn> alpha__: let's not try to fix this system. be more careful about which PPAs you decide to install in the future
[22:09] <linux_user> TJ: That is the ISO I booted it up initially and installed the VM from
[22:09] <TJ-> linux_user: I'm not clear what you are trying to achieve.
[22:09] <alpha__> so the ppa has caused the problem then
[22:09] <saikoatlocalhost> * #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[22:09] <oerheks> alpha__, that ppa is huge, you could reverse to standard packages with ppa-purge, but i would do a fresh install, much faster
[22:09] <tomreyn> alpha__: if in doubt, you can come here and ask whether it seems like a good / bad idea to use those (even though we don't support PPAs in general)
[22:10] <TJ-> linux_user: the ISO isn't full of packages you know, just a handful of optionals that the LiveISO Try Ubuntu session might need
[22:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: most likely, yes
[22:10] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, what problem are you having with the script?
[22:10] <linux_user> give me a second, I am going to write something in pastebin that explains.
[22:10] <TJ-> linux_user: OK, that's a good idea :)
[22:11] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I just don't get what it  means by 'make the following script'. I typed that in terminal and got a weird thing..
[22:11] <oerheks> !register > saikoatlocalhost
[22:11] <alpha__> so a purge would not help then?
[22:11] <Budgii> do I need to save it in a text file and if so where?
[22:11] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, Oh, just create a file with that in its contents, make it executable, and then run it :)
[22:11] <kostkon> alpha__, wipe disk and reinstall. that's the only safe way to fix this
[22:11] <tomreyn> alpha__: you would need to downgrade several core utilities such as apt itself. it should never have been upgraded.
[22:12] <Budgii> so my goal is getting that dictionary. Does that mean I have to run that each time, or is it just going to be a terminal window that is my 'dictionary' program?
[22:12] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, ^
[22:12] <joel> I'm getting an error when installing grub, "cannot find efi directory", well, I had some disk corruption, how do I go about getting back this directory? a package I can re-install?
[22:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: so i suggest you reinstall. before you do, you may want to upload a list of packages you may have had manually installed (i can guide oyu there), an overview on your file systems and you may also want to keep a copy of /etc
[22:13] <linux_user> TJ: That way I can write and be clear and you will understand what I am doing instead of typing it one line at a time between other peoples conversations
[22:13] <linux_user> brb
[22:13] <alpha__> ok can you do that please
[22:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: when you run "ls /home/", do yuo see the directory of your user?
[22:13] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it's basically meant to be a terminal command that will pull a definition any time you call it.  You can either navigate to the script's directory each time, or you can create a scripts folder and export that to $PATH so you can just call it from CLI  (ex:   define   rather than navigating and ./define)
[22:13] <kostkon> alpha__, you replaced a core package with one from an unknown source. only way is a clean install
[22:14] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, so I have it saved as 'Dictionary.sh' on Desktop. I did CD, then tried ./define cat
[22:15] <Budgii> no luck. what am I doing wrong?
[22:15] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it's case sensitive
[22:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: and, assuming your old user is called OLDUSER (please replace it accordingly), do you see your files when you do "ls /home/OLDUSER" ?
[22:15] <SlidingHorn> and you have to call it by its name Budgii
[22:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, so for you, you'd:   cd ~/Desktop    then    ./Dictionary cat
[22:16] <TJ-> joel: there should be /boot/efi/ and on that should be mounted the EFI System Partition so you'd see /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ and others
[22:16] <Budgii> ohhh
[22:16] <alpha__> ok i accept that i need to reinstall - how do i get a list of packages that I manually installed
[22:16] <nlsthzn> I havne't tried installing a snap app in 18.04 yet but will it now use the ubuntu default mouse cursor in the installed snap app or the black mouse cursor?
[22:16] <joel> TJ-: I don't have an efi folder, at all, due to disk corruption. I'm trying to find out what I have to do to re-create that folder
[22:16] <alpha__> and how do i get access to my home folder on another partition?
[22:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: right now i'm trying to get you to access the home directory we plan to keep, so we can use this to store some information which will be prevered.
[22:17] <tomreyn> *preserved
[22:17] <TJ-> joel: is there a /boot/ with the kernel (vmlinuz-*) and initrd.img-* files  ?
[22:17] <joel> TJ-: not yet, I need to re-install the kernels
[22:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: so if you could tell me about the above commands this would help
[22:18] <joel> TJ-: I do have a /boot, it's on a 512M EFI filesystem
[22:18] <alpha__> running ls /home/  i get the a name of the computer and lost+found
[22:18] <ericrajuin> Budgii: have you chmod +x to the script ?
[22:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, ignore the second request for now and do this: mount /home
[22:19] <Budgii> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZF4h27DZwC/
[22:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: any errors reported?
[22:19] <Budgii> ericrajuin, no. Not exactly sure what that is.. i'd have to check my notes :)
[22:19] <alpha__> ok
[22:19] <SlidingHorn> oh Budgii     mv define.sh define
[22:19] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, oops. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZF4h27DZwC/
[22:19] <alpha__> that on /dev/sda3
[22:20] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, file extensions don't matter :)
[22:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok. did running "mount /home" report any errors?
[22:20] <alpha__> says it already mounted
[22:20] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, when you said make it an executable I thougth sh haha..thanks!
[22:21] <alpha__> or .home busy
[22:21] <tomreyn> alpha okay so i reckon the name of your computer is identical to that of your ubuntu user.
[22:21] <alpha__> yes
[22:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. can you tell methe name of your computer?
[22:21] <ericrajuin> Budgii: it maks the script executable. by default when u create a script file it's not executable so u have to chmod +x
[22:21] <alpha__> tau
[22:22] <TJ-> joel: /boot/ shouldn't be in the FAT32  EFI system partition. It has to be a proper file-system that stores permissions. So either the root file-system or a separate (ext3/4) file-system in another partition
[22:22] <TrueLocalhost> why is /boot/ not in root
[22:22] <TrueLocalhost> no fucking sense
[22:22] <TJ-> TrueLocalhost: mind your language please
[22:22] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok, when you do "ls /home/tau" and "ls /home/tau/Desktop", do you see some of your files there?
[22:22] <Budgii> ericrajuin, SlidingHorn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gz55tPH5V9/
[22:23] <Budgii> ericrajuin, not sure I get what you mean by 'do' chmod +x :)
[22:23] <sere> is there much difference if i upgrade to 18 beta now or wait for the lts.. im getting inpatient
[22:23] <alpha__> yes
[22:23] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, cd ~/Desktop && chmod +x define
[22:24] <joel> TJ-: 100% sure? this is a stock install of 16.04.... the other oddity is I have TWO EFI partitions, very head scratching
[22:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. so please do (and double-check for any typos): tar czf /home/tau/backup_etc.tar.gz /etc
[22:24] <SlidingHorn> sere, you could, but there could still be some bugs that need worked out.  So long as you're okay with that
[22:24] <alpha__> yes see my home folders
[22:24] <SlidingHorn> !final | sere
[22:25] <Budgii> That worked! okay so the actual program does not work. I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KQkjGDcvYH/
[22:25] <Budgii> SlidingHorn,
[22:25] <tomreyn> alpha__: this will create a backup of your /etc direcotry for reference - this is you system configuration, it's rather small, usually no more than a few megabytes.
[22:26] <sere> ok perfect.. im on a lts minimal and have been for awhile .. i could i always reinstall or just wait but hey im going for it :) .. thanks everyone
[22:26] <TrueLocalhost> i'd wait
[22:27] <TrueLocalhost> lts are usually most stable
[22:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: might be worth saving /var/lib/dpkg/status too - it indicates the installed packages in case something gets missed
[22:27] <sere> TrueLocalhost: is two weeks worth my insanity?
[22:27] <TrueLocalhost> yeah if you want decency
[22:28] <sere> TrueLocalhost: i kinda do bah
[22:28] <alpha__> is there a space between the /  ?
[22:28] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, let me get a vm up real quick, I'm on my Windows machine right now...
[22:29] <Budgii> okay
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> use WSL
[22:29] <Budgii> thanks SlidingHorn.
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> quicker
[22:29] <Budgii> I just want a terminal dictionary ;D
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> *man
[22:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: never after, but sometimes before. you can copy and paste the command from the chat window to a text editor / notepad, this may help reading it
[22:31] <TrueLocalhost> and yes i'm using ugly hexchat instead of irc.freenode.net but hexchat is allinonew
[22:31] <TrueLocalhost> all in one *
[22:31] <sere> Budgii:  what cant you can find them all over or even write one yourself.
[22:31] <sere> Budgii: kind*
[22:31] <_omega_> TJ-: wow
[22:31] <alpha__> cant seem to get that command to work says removing leading / from member names ?
[22:32] <TJ-> _omega_: ?
[22:32] <_omega_> TJ-: I owe you a beer. why couldn't I find that info. wonderful
[22:32] <_omega_> TJ-: new drive is syncing
[22:32] <TJ-> _omega_: :D
[22:32] <_omega_> thx a billion
[22:32] <Budgii> TrueLocalhost you can customize colors you know
[22:32] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is the command to backup the list of packages you installed manually:    comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u) > /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[22:32] <Budgii> sere, i'd like to write my own but don't know how. Any suggestions?
[22:33] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks for the dpkg status suggestion
[22:33] <alpha__> i am having troulbe with the previous command
[22:34] <TJ-> alpha__: are you working from a GUI or a text console?
[22:34] <_omega_> hmm I guess the manpage did give away the format'
[22:34] <_omega_> I missed that. anys great stuff
[22:34] <TJ-> _omega_: helps to have done it before though
[22:35] <_omega_> TJ-: 7 years, 24 7, first failure of 6 hdds
[22:35] <_omega_> :-)
[22:35] <alpha__> text console
[22:35] <TJ-> alpha__: is that why you're struggling to read the commands? is the font very small?
[22:35] <alpha__> what command should i type first ?
[22:35] <alpha__> yes
[22:36] <TJ-> alpha__: are you on IRC from a different PC ?
[22:36] <alpha__> yes
[22:37] <TJ-> alpha__: Ahhh! Wish you'd told us earlier. We can make things a lot easier for you
[22:37] <alpha__> i can boot the other pc
[22:37] <joel> random: any way to get icons to bottom/right align in the unity bar?
[22:37] <alpha__> cant...
[22:37] <TJ-> alpha__: give tomreyn and myself a few minutes and we'll sort something out
[22:38] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, almost done installing the vm, sorry for the wait
[22:40] <sere> Budgii: give me a sec i can find mine.. i have one in perl and groovy i think
[22:42] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, (I only gave it 2GB RAM so it's a little slow, lol)
[22:43] <sere> Budgii: heres a perl one liner you can execute in from terminal or a something like conky.
[22:44] <ericrajuin> Budgii: seems the script is broken
[22:44] <sere> perl -000 -lne '@a=<>;print $a[rand @a]' ~/.conky/quotes.db
[22:45] <sere> Budgii: you can create a file anywhere and change the location at the end of the command.
[22:52] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, weird - if I navigate directly to the URL in lynx, it shows, but if I just call the -dump of that exact URL, it's not found.
[22:53] <ericrajuin> SlidingHorn: I think the first part of the script some parts in the script url need to be escaped
[22:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, can you do this: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/{1..}
[22:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, can you do this: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/{1..3}
[22:56] <alpha__> i think i typed in the very long command ok
[22:56] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed, sorry
[22:56] <SlidingHorn> ericrajuin, even if I directly type in the word to search (no special characters) it
[22:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: TJ- came up with a way to ensure this, do you want to give this a try?
[22:57] <alpha__> can i list my home folder to see if it worked the last command
[22:57] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, I figured it out:  the URL has changed a little. just a sec and I'll pastebin what I have.
[22:58] <alpha__> i typed in the very long command and that appeared to work
[22:58] <alpha__> it was the fist command with the / that seemed not t work
[23:00] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, http://termbin.com/1gio
[23:00] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, I made mine bash instead of sh, but it shouldn't matter
[23:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: hmm i'm afraid i forgot which one that was by now. my goal is to make you type very little from now on
[23:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: and to just redo all commands so we can be sure we ran them fine
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: ...without you typing them all
[23:01] <alpha__> well i think the last command which was the large on worked
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: very well. did you check whether the file was created and has content?
[23:01] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, instead of "wordnet.princeton.edu..."  it's "wordnetweb.princeton.edu..."
[23:01] <alpha__> how do i see that?
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: less /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[23:02] <ericrajuin> oh wordnet to wordnetweb ... @.@
[23:02] <tomreyn> alpha__: press 'q' to quit this text viewer
[23:03] <tomreyn> alpha__: i guess now you have to type all that again... let's do this a different way?
[23:04] <alpha__> ok can you hold on a sec please
[23:04] <tomreyn> sure
[23:05] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, if you want to run that script from anywhere (so you don't have to go to your Desktop directory), just make a directory called scripts in your home directory and add this to your ~/.bashrc :    export PATH="${PATH}:${HOME}/scripts/"    then restart bash by using  "/bin/bash" (no quotes) in your terminal
[23:05] <alpha__> yesgot a txt file
[23:06] <tomreyn> alpha__: with text in it?
[23:06] <alpha__> yes got listing of packages
[23:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: those are the packages which you 'seem' to have manually installed. there will be several you do not know and actually did not manually installed, you can just ignore those later. so this list is just for your reference when installing the software you used to have after reinstalling ubuntu
[23:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: great job typing all this correctly.
[23:07] <alpha__> it was just  this command that did not seem to work  tar czf /home/tau/backup_etc.tar.gz /etc
[23:08] <tomreyn> alpha: can you now please: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/3
[23:08] <tomreyn> alpha__: did it say why it didnt work?
[23:09] <alpha__> the PPA is probably the rawtherapee which has caused the problem you refered to
[23:10] <alpha__> is the space or / that seems to be the problem
[23:12] <alpha__> the back up of the /etc directory
[23:12] <Budgii> sere, ericrajuin SlidingHorn just got back to computer will review your messages now
[23:12] <tomreyn> alpha__: are you saying you don't know whether it says spaces or slash in the command?
[23:12] <alpha__> have copyed and pastred the command in a txt editor and retyped it
[23:13] <linux_user> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/EtRcctm6
[23:13] <alpha__> i have typed as written into the terminal
[23:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: the wget thing?
[23:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: or the tar one?
[23:15] <alpha__> the tar one
[23:15] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, what do you mean 'add this to your ~/.bashrc:' ?
[23:15] <alpha__> it say removing leading / from member names
[23:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: thats fine
[23:15] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, made the scripts folder in home dir, added the code you pasted with the update URL to it.
[23:15] <TJ-> linux_user: oh, is that all! Choose a PC to cache the packages on, and do "sudo apt install squid-deb-proxy" then on every client do "sudo apt install squid-deb-proxy-client". On the cache server configure the allowed remote sources and that's it
[23:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, in your home directory, there's a file called .bashrc that has some configuration information for how your shell works.  if you add the line I gave you to the end of it, your shell will then *also* look in the scripts directory for commands that you use
[23:16] <alpha__> ok can i list whats in thehome  folder now?
[23:16] <ericrajuin> Budgii: SlidingHorn solved it, check his pastebin message
[23:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, your $PATH variable is essentially where the shell looks for programs associated with a command you enter
[23:16] <tomreyn> alpha__: sure: ls -l /home/tau
[23:17] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I do not see a .bashrc in my home directory
[23:18] <alpha__> ok i see a lot of folders and files
[23:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: ls -lh /home/tau/backup*
[23:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: you can press the up cursor key to get your previously entered command to show and edit it.
[23:19] <linux_user> how do I then tell the server to download every package first?
[23:19] <alpha__> where is the up curzer key?
[23:19] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, files starting with a . are "hidden"  do ls -a
[23:20] <tomreyn> you should have those four keys next to one another, with arrows pointing to different directions
[23:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: those are the cursor keys
[23:20] <Budgii> feel like a dummy here SlidingHorn but how do I open it? I see it in the ls -a now.
[23:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: the one with the up arrow is the one to press
[23:21] <alpha__> ok
[23:21] <TJ-> linux_user: you want all 50GB ?
[23:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: found them?
[23:21] <linux_user> yes, I do
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, depends on which text editor you usually use:  gedit .bashrc  or  nano .bashrc  etc.
[23:21] <alpha__> well we now have the following
[23:21] <linux_user> not source, just binary
[23:22] <alpha__> /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:22] <linux_user> how do I tell the thing to update also?
[23:22] <alpha__> and /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[23:23] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, so the dpkg package database status is missing still
[23:23] <alpha__> ok
[23:23] <tomreyn> are both files greater than 0 bytes then?
[23:24] <tomreyn> that's the value before the date
[23:24] <TJ-> linux_user: it sounds more like you want apt-mirror then
[23:24] <TJ-> !apt-mirror | linux_user
[23:25] <TJ-> !info apt-mirror | linux_user
[23:25] <tomreyn> so in a "ls -lh" output line like "-rw-rw-r-- 1 tomreyn tomreyn   49 Jan 18 21:15 myfile", "49" is the file size.
[23:26] <linux_user> apt-mirror sets up a private mirror of the repo?
[23:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: are you still with me?
[23:26] <alpha__> yes
[23:26] <TJ-> linux_user: read "apt-cache show apt-mirror"
[23:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: so those two files which already exist have content?
[23:27] <tomreyn> i.e. they are not 0 bytes?
[23:27] <alpha__> well the txt file does
[23:27] <linux_user> ok!
[23:27] <linux_user> I shall
[23:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: and /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz ?
[23:27] <alpha__> the etc backup is 2.2M
[23:27] <alpha__> and the txt file 332
[23:28] <alpha__> how do i check that the etc has content?
[23:28] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay great. so let's backup the dpkg database status, then you can reinstall, come back here to get assistence with rmounting /home in place and you'll be done. sounds like a plan?
[23:29] <alpha__> ok
[23:29] <linux_user> TJ: It says its for Debian but it works for Ubuntu?
[23:29] <tomreyn> alpha__: to check content of the archive you could: tar tzf /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:29] <TJ-> linux_user: As I said earlier, Ubuntu is a Debian derivative
[23:30] <TJ-> linux_user: as it says "... or any other apt sources "
[23:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: so can you do this (no spaces between slashes):    wget   https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/2
[23:30] <linux_user> ok
[23:31] <alpha__> i get an error runing the archive command
[23:32] <tomreyn> alpha__: do you mind disclosing the error message?
[23:33] <alpha__> is the command again
[23:33] <tomreyn> alpha__: what do you mean?
[23:35] <alpha__> i get cannot open no such file or directory
[23:35] <linux_user> installing apt-mirror
[23:35] <alpha__> when runing this command tar tzf /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:36] <SlidingHorn> alpha__, chante /home.tau/  to /home/tau/   just a typo :)
[23:37] <SlidingHorn> s/chante/change
[23:37] <alpha__> yes it works now
[23:37] <alpha__> lots of etc/ stuff flashes up the screen
[23:37] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh sorry, another typo on my end there
[23:37] <alpha__> so there is content
[23:37] <tomreyn> alpha__: good, so this backup worked
[23:38] <alpha__> yes
[23:38] <tomreyn> alpha__: by the way, when you want me to listen to what you type here, type: tomreyn
[23:39] <alpha__> what next
[23:39] <Budgii> sliding horn, i use submlime text
[23:40] <Budgii> nvm used gedit
[23:40] <alpha__> dowe have to back up the dpkg database status/
[23:40] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, now just save & exit, then in a terminal type   /bin/bash   and hit enter
[23:41] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, (nothing will happen)
 alpha__: so can you do this (no spaces between slashes):    wget   https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/2
[23:41] <alpha__> what will that do
[23:42] <tomreyn> alpha__: it will download the text file which is hosted at the given location.
[23:42] <tomreyn> it will be stored in a file named "2" in the current directory
[23:43] <tomreyn> the text is actually a small shell script. you can look at it using "less" again
[23:43] <alpha__> where will it be stored?
[23:43] <linux_user> looks like its firing up!
[23:43] <tomreyn> "less 2" once you downloaded
[23:43] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I just added the line to the end of the .bashrc file, is that what I need to do/
[23:43] <linux_user> what do I do to use it once it is setup?
[23:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: current directory.
[23:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is /root, i think
[23:43] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, the   "export PATH..." line?  yes.
[23:44] <tomreyn> linux_user: once you downloaded the file,. you can look at it using 'less 2', as i just explained. then you can run it using 'bash 2'
[23:44] <alpha__> ok and what will the txt file do
[23:44] <tomreyn> linux_user: sorry this wasnt for you
[23:45] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, okay, so now i've got that added, saved, /bin/bash/ in terminal, in /home/scripts/ i have the define.bash stored. I now open terminal and type ./define cat - no luck.
[23:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: download it and look at it and you will know.
[23:45] <alpha__> ok
[23:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: it is to backup the dpkg status database
[23:45] <linux_user> TJ-, How do I tell it to just grab AMD-64 stuff?
[23:45] <linux_user> not all the other architectures?
[23:45] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, mv ~/scripts/define.bash ~/scripts/define  (remember, we don't need file extensions.
[23:46] <TJ-> linux_user: read the docs and configure it :)
[23:46] <linux_user> no problem, was looking for the lazy man's short cut! :)
[23:46] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, after you rename, then do  /bin/bash  in your terminal again, then just type  define cat  (no ./)
[23:46] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I actually started with just 'define' as the name and get the same result. "bash: ./define: No such file or directory." even though I can literally see it
[23:47] <alpha__> ok done that
[23:48] <alpha__> what next after downloading
 linux_user: once you downloaded the file,. you can look at it using 'less 2', as i just explained. then you can run it using 'bash 2'
[23:49] <tomreyn> linux_user: still not for you, sorry
[23:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: see above, i quoted myself.
[23:49] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qmc9nsBpyC/
[23:49] <linux_user> its okay
[23:49] <linux_user> luckily I'm a forgiving individual! :)
[23:50] <alpha__> sorry i dont understand
[23:50] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, can you show me your .bashrc?    cat ~/.bashrc | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: run: bash 2
[23:51] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it looks like you just forgot to end quote, but let's make sure
[23:51] <alpha__> ok
[23:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: any errors reported?
[23:51] <Budgii> the quote fixed it SlidingHorn!
[23:51] <alpha__> ok it says backed up dpkg to home
[23:51] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, everything works??  YAY!  \o/
[23:52] <alpha__> i dont see any
[23:52] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. we'Re done. unless you want to verify it worked.
[23:52] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, haha, everything but..now just getting permission denied. I tried sudo define cat and command not found
[23:52] <alpha__> how do we verfif just to be on the safe sidde
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: to verify it worked, you could press the up cursor key until it says: ls -lh /home/tau/backup*
[23:53] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, can you  ls -l   on your scripts folder?
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: then just press enter
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: alternatively, you can also type this again and press enter
[23:53] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, the file should show your current user as the owner & group
[23:54] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bCvFsVWzTZ/
[23:54] <alpha__> ok three entries now
[23:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: and not 0 bytes?
[23:54] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, chmod +x ~/scripts/define
[23:54] <alpha__> its 2.4mb
[23:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: have a good re-install
[23:55] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, you have to make it executable (that's what the chmod +x does)
[23:55] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, that makes sense now.   Budgii
[23:55] <alpha__> so just run me throught the reinstal
[23:55] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, how do I get out and search another one now? I get to (END)
[23:56] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, q will exit your current definition...then you just  define human
[23:56] <alpha__> i will plug in my ubuntu usb live boot and reinstal to sda2 where ubunu that is brken is
[23:56] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I can't thank you enough for treading through the mud with me on this one.
[23:57] <Budgii> give SlidingHorn kudos +1
[23:57] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, no worries :)  That's what the channel's for
[23:57] <alpha__> so after i will have a home folder tau on my reinstal
[23:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: oops, i forgot to backup the partition overview. running "lsblk" will provide that
[23:58] <tomreyn> alpha__: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:58] <Budgii> Now I want to clean up the definitions where at the top it shows the Key: "S:"..." garbage, but I won't compain now :D