[09:34] <EvilIdler> This and #ubuntu is actually generally friendly
[09:35] <nox-Hand> EvilIdler, You are on Ubuntu?
[09:35] <nixternal> well TheCoffeMaker...any luck?
[09:35] <TheCoffeMaker_> nop
[09:35] <nixternal> uh oh...
[09:35] <nixternal> hmmm
[09:35] <EvilIdler> nox-Hand: Well, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, red apples, green apples :)
[09:35] <nixternal> Options Indexes is set....allow from all is set
[09:35] <nixternal> i dont' know what else to do
[09:35] <TheCoffeMaker_> yeap
[09:36] <nixternal> this is an odd one
[09:36] <EvilIdler> Mmm..apples..
[09:36] <nox-Hand> For some reason, I found Kubuntu quicker than Ubuntu, even if I had Kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu, Kubuntu with KDE was quicker 0_o
[09:36] <nox-Hand> But, I am on E17, so meh
[09:36] <nixternal> hehe nox
[09:36] <nox-Hand> nixternal, Ever seen E17 before? Quite nice :D http://www.sector-42.frih.net/docs/screenshots/screenshot3.png
[09:36] <nixternal> i rmember e...i used to use it religiously back in the day
[09:36] <nixternal> i thought it looked oh so elite
[09:37] <nox-Hand> nixternal, E16 or 17?
[09:37] <nixternal> prolly 16
[09:37] <nixternal> has been a few years
[09:37] <nixternal> i thought i was a l337 hax0r w/ it ;D
[09:37] <nox-Hand> Oh, well check out E17, very good looking, and there is a script that installs it from CVS automaticly \o/
[09:37] <nixternal> i might sling it on my xubuntu setup
[09:38] <nixternal> chekc it out
[09:38] <imbrandon> wow been a while since i seen an aol hostname
[09:38] <nixternal> you know...the only ubuntu family i hvaent' checked out is...edubuntu...that is the only one i don't have running
[09:38] <frood> Hrmm.
[09:39] <imbrandon> eduuntu is kinda cool with its ltsp setup
[09:39] <nixternal> i might give that a check out too
[09:39] <EvilIdler> Yeah, the edu variant is more different from basic Ubuntu than Kubuntu
[09:39] <nixternal> i saw their new wallpaper they have for it and i really liked it
[09:39] <frood> Blissex : I've followed the instructions on the wiki page and I still can't access the NTFS partition unless I'm root.
[09:39] <nixternal> i look the whole "world together" thing
[09:39] <nixternal> that is what we need
[09:39] <EvilIdler> I think the school Linux project around here recommends it
[09:39] <nixternal> stop all this damn fighting....
[09:40] <Blissex> frood: then you haven't followed them quite right... Whats the output of 'grep ntfs /etc/fstab'?
[09:40] <frood> Blissex: the line in /etc/fstab is /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0    Am I missing something?
[09:40] <nixternal> hmmm..i have a new dead pixel...just watched it happen
[09:40] <imbrandon> edubuntu == yello apples ;) ( vs green and red ) , hmmm debian might just be an orange though
[09:40] <nixternal> hey TheCoffeMaker...have you check out #apache ?
[09:40] <Blissex> frood: that line looks good
[09:41] <Blissex> frood: is the problem that you cannot mount it or cannot look inside as non-root?
[09:41] <TheCoffeMaker_> emmm nop ;) ... thanks for everything
[09:41] <nixternal> lol
[09:41] <nixternal> no prob...i wish i could have been more help
[09:41] <EvilIdler> Hmm..there's a neat tool: Hamachi. Make a virtual LAN for games that don't understand this new-fangled Internet thing. Pity it's closed source :(
[09:41] <imbrandon> frood, you might also use uid and gid
[09:41] <frood> Blissex: Mounts fine. I can't access it unless I'm root.
[09:41] <Blissex> nixternal: condolences for the death of one of your beloved pixels
[09:41] <nixternal> lol...thx Blissex
[09:41] <imbrandon> frood,  uid=<username>,gid=admin
[09:41] <Blissex> frood: and whats the output of 'ls -ld /media/sda1 /media/sda1/*'?
[09:42] <nox-Hand> Where would I configure xorg in Kubuntu?
[09:42] <nixternal> i can tell the ol' lady that it is dying...maybe she will let me get a new one
[09:42] <frood> dr-x------   1 root root 8192 2006-05-16 11:54 sda1
[09:42] <frood> Seems like the problems are permission related.
[09:42] <imbrandon> frood,  uid=<username>,gid=admin
[09:43] <imbrandon> in fstab
[09:43] <imbrandon> then remount it
[09:44] <Fox__> Hi
[09:44] <imbrandon> hello
[09:44] <Blissex> frood: then whatever is going on is ignoring the '/etc/fstab'
[09:45] <Fox__> can someone help me with ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[09:45] <Blissex> frood: try to make sure by 'umount /media/sda1' and then 'mount /media/sda1'
[09:45] <frood> Ok.
[09:46] <bobi> hi everybody
[09:46] <imbrandon> Blissex, the options uid= and gid= set the username and group for the mounted files
[09:46] <alleyoopster> hi everyone: how do i configure splash screen, i have lost it after installing kubuntu and would like ubuntu back, is there a command or config file?
[09:46] <imbrandon> on ntfs
[09:46] <bobi> I installed kubuntu from install cd choosing the 'server' option at start
[09:46] <imbrandon> other wise it defaults to root
[09:46] <frood> Where do the uid= and gid= lines go in?
[09:46] <bobi> now I'd like to install the packages for a desktop workstation
[09:47] <bobi> is there a way to do it as if I chose the default installation at boot?
[09:47] <imbrandon> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=<you user name>,gid=admin 0 0
[09:47] <frood> okey.
[09:47] <imbrandon> bodi, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <imbrandon> or xubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop ( recomends kubuntu-desktop ;)
[09:48] <omega--> What's the command to restore my xorg.conf file?
[09:49] <imbrandon> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:49] <nox-Hand> Yaaay! */*raves about *\*
[09:49] <imbrandon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:49] <frood> imbrandon: unmounted them. added lines into fstab. ran mount -a. still doesnt work.
[09:49] <Samuli^> omega--, do you mean dpkg--reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:49] <nox-Hand> **orders ten CD's from Kubuntu's new shipit service :D
[09:49] <imbrandon> frood, run mount /media/sda1
[09:49] <omega--> That's what I meant.
[09:49] <omega--> I thought it started with a p.
[09:49] <omega--> Couldn't find it.
[09:49] <Samuli^> omega-- if you want to just restore from backup, copy the backup file over xorg.conf
[09:50] <Fox__> is somebody here to help a linux-noob to install ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[09:50] <nixternal> there are a bunch of us Fox__
[09:50] <nixternal> how can we be of some assistance?
[09:51] <nox-Hand> **order complete** :D
[09:51] <nixternal> hehe
[09:51] <Fox__> I have a problem (please excuse my english, I'm german)... I have a laptop with an ati card, and if i want to install / start kubuntu i get only a black screen
[09:51] <Fox__> i tried vga=771 etc. but nothing helps
[09:51] <imbrandon> hehe yea nox-Hand i did the same thing this morning , too bad it still wont ship till the 1st ;)
[09:51] <nixternal> every time someone says their german...immediately i think of my favorite beer....hacker pschor
[09:51] <nixternal> ;D
[09:52] <nixternal> hmmm Fox__
[09:52] <nixternal> i have a laptop...ati mobile radeon...no problem with default settings
[09:52] <Fox__> i have a ati x700
[09:52] <nixternal> did the cd you create burn without errors?
[09:52] <nixternal> whoa...so we are talkin' a new laptop then
[09:52] <nixternal> alrighty then
[09:52] <Fox__> yes... my cd burn without errors...
[09:53] <imbrandon> dapper or breezy ?
[09:53] <imbrandon> might try the other if one dosent work
[09:53] <imbrandon> just a thought
[09:53] <Fox__> I have tried breezy and dapper beta 1 and beta 2 etc. but everytime the same black screen
[09:53] <imbrandon> hmm
[09:54] <Fox__> but if i start kubuntu over "VMPlayer" everyting work fine
[09:54] <nixternal> i know for a fact that ubuntu/kubuntu uses the fglrx drivers on the livecd...but i have also heard of issues with the fglrx drivers too
[09:54] <imbrandon> when does it show the black screen exactly? whats the last thing you see, have you tried acpi=off ?
[09:56] <Lorenzod> Hi all.
[09:56] <imbrandon> i've even heard of some needing to turn off pcmcia on laptops but no experince with them myself
[09:56] <Fox__> yes i tried acpi=off and all the other thing that are write down at the help... the black screen are when he wants to start kde i think... i see the kubuntu log under that i see some packages that are copying to my hd (i think)... and thats all
[09:56] <ubuntu> hello
[09:56] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:56] <nixternal> well hello there
[09:56] <imbrandon> hmmm
[09:56] <nox-Hand> ubuntu, odd name..
[09:56] <ubuntu> it's realy cool :)
[09:57] <ubuntu> default
[09:57] <nixternal> ahh
[09:57] <imbrandon> heh
[09:57] <Lorenzod> Does this permission line look familiar to anybody: ?--------- ? ?      ?         ?                ? tmp
[09:57] <ubuntu> sorry (juz mnie nie ma) ;)
[09:57] <nixternal> that explains it....but i couldn't think of a better default name
[09:57] <nixternal> ;D
[09:57] <Fox__> but it's only with ubuntu/kubuntu, other linux-distributions are ok... knoppix, red hat, etc. work fine... but i want ubuntu
[09:57] <Lorenzod> I cannot delete that tmp, even as root..
[10:01] <pm_> whats the diff btw the LTS version and the normal version?
[10:01] <Lorenzod> Hm.. doesn't anybody know what the permissions "?---------" means?
[10:02] <Fox__> so nobody has n idea, how i could install kubuntu?
[10:03] <Johncro13> I missed the entire conversation.
[10:03] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, it means no permissions at all! Where did you see that? (And was the first one a '?' or a 'd' ?)
[10:04] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: thanks. I have a directory/file that has that permission.
[10:04] <Lorenzod> One of my kmail folders.
[10:04] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, if you're the owner, you can change the permissions back. Do 'chmod u+rw filename'
[10:04] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: first is a "?"
[10:05] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: even as root, I cannot. Owner/Group is also "?" by the way..
[10:05] <DarkED> hey i am trying to setup xgl, using this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto#head-b38bc528c59d24064958c7425fa05c34ac2c0564
[10:05] <DarkED> how would i make it work with kde?
[10:05] <imbrandon> DarkED try #ubuntu-xgl
[10:05] <GeneralZod> Lorenzod:Sounds like a corrupt diesk/ filesystem to me :/
[10:05] <DarkED> thanks
[10:05] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: ls -l gives: ?--------- ? ?      ?         ?                ? tmp
[10:06] <Lorenzod> GeneralZod: yeah, I think I'm going to run a chkfs on it..
[10:06] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, I have no clue why such a thing would happen, sorry
[10:06] <GeneralZod> Lorenzod:Seems wise.  I like your name, by the way.  The last three letters of it, at least ;)
[10:07] <Lorenzod> GeneralZod: :)
[10:08] <uwo> hi all - is there a QT application like wid
[10:08] <imbrandon> whats wid ?
[10:09] <uwo> sorry - application like wifi-radar. what do you use to find wlan networks
[10:09] <imbrandon> i use iwconfig wlan0 scan ;)
[10:09] <uwo> :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> buth thats just me
[10:12] <Johncro13> Analogy!  New computer users are like highschoolers.  Windows is like taking highschool spanish.  Linux is like being a foreign-exchange student in Italy.  Highschool Spanish just won't cut it.
[10:13] <hastesaver> Johncro13, bad analogy. There will be people who argue Spanish is better than Italian :)
[10:13] <Johncro13> not high school spanish
[10:14] <Johncro13> being a new Linux user, I find myself silently responding to a lot of the messages in this chat with things like "control+alt+del" and "reformat", run sys c: and msconfig.  But Linux is not that simple.
[10:14] <hastesaver> Johncro13, ok, but if you're in the US (for example?), there will be people who'll argue that they have no need to learn Italian... or um, something. :)
[10:15] <hastesaver> Johncro13, it's simpler
[10:15] <Johncro13> now that is arguable.
[10:15] <hastesaver> Johncro13, In Windows, I used to do the same random things everytime something went wrong, with no clue what was happening, or why I had to do that
[10:16] <hastesaver> Johncro13, at least now I understand most of what's happening; it doesn't seem so random anymore
[10:17] <matt__> hey, when i shutdown my gnome desktop flashes, is there a way to stop that?
[10:17] <Johncro13> perhaps, but the "average" computer user who only wants to get online, ebay, e-mail, write letters, and that's all won't want anything more than a dumbed down OS.
[10:18] <frood> Is there a way to assign a keystroke to switching from a virtual window to another one?
[10:18] <r0xz> anyone got an usb wifi adapter working in dapper (speedtouch 121g)
[10:20] <slow-motion> re
[10:21] <r0xz> i just got my package from my isp and thought it to test it out
[10:21] <imbrandon> probbly can use it with ndiswrapper, dunno though
[10:21] <imbrandon> never tried
[10:22] <r0xz> lol me neither, this is my first try to use wifi ever
[10:23] <imbrandon> well i've used wifi , infact i am right now just not with a usb adapter ;)
[10:24] <r0xz> imbrandon: my motherbord havn't got wifi support, if it had i might have tried it before
[10:25] <imbrandon> i use a pci wifi adapter ( realtec 8185 )
[10:26] <crum> i am having some trouble with my sound
[10:26] <sphere02> how to rune vice emulator?
[10:26] <sphere02> how to run vice emulator?
[10:26] <crum> when I reboot I hear the sound
[10:27] <crum> yet when I try and play a cd or other file...i can see it playing in noatun but I get no sound
[10:27] <crum> now...i am playing it as an ogg file also
[10:27] <crum> does that make a differnce?
[10:27] <robotgeek> crum: ogg plays?
[10:27] <imbrandon> crum did you set noatun for alsa or oss  ?
[10:27] <crum> yes
[10:27] <crum> hrmm
[10:27] <imbrandon> wait
[10:28] <imbrandon> ogg plays ?
[10:28] <crum> yes
[10:28] <crum> i put the cd in the drive
[10:28] <imbrandon> then what dosent play ? mp3?
[10:28] <crum> and the files that come up are cda, ogg, flac
[10:28] <crum> the file plays but i get no sound from the speaker
[10:28] <imbrandon> try installing some of the codecs from !restricted
[10:29] <crum> i have done that also
[10:29] <imbrandon> hmmm
[10:29] <crum> when I go to my sound config
[10:29] <robotgeek> crum: only cd doesn't play. did you turn up the volume
[10:29] <crum> yes...
[10:29] <crum> i went to my sound panel and did the test
[10:29] <crum> and still get no sound
[10:29] <crum> yet when I boot I get the apple bong
[10:30] <crum> from the front speaker
[10:30] <imbrandon> did you try a diffrent media player ?
[10:30] <ahmeni> Mmm.. apple bong..
[10:30] <crum> yeah
[10:30] <imbrandon> apple bong ?
[10:30] <crum> it tried amarok
[10:31] <crum> err..I
[10:31] <EvilIdler> Dirty mac hippies!
[10:31] <crum> no..
[10:31] <crum> I just got this donated to me
[10:31] <robotgeek> EvilIdler: hmm, i use a mac too
[10:32] <crum> and I tried
[10:32] <crum> xxms
[10:32] <crum> and the last..caffeine
[10:32] <crum> err..Kaffeine
[10:32] <crum> no such luck on any of them
[10:32] <imbrandon> you mean the speaker INSIDE the computer works but not your sounds card
[10:32] <crum> hrmm
[10:32] <imbrandon> ie the bootup sound
[10:32] <nixternal> [15:33]  <ahmeni> Mmm.. apple bong..
[10:32] <nixternal> ghahaahhaha
[10:32] <crum> yeah
[10:32] <nixternal> roflmao
[10:33] <wasp_ems> i am having a problem..at some points everything starts to freeze..if i logout and in again it is ok.but it the quivalent of explorer getting stuck in windows..any help?
[10:33] <imbrandon> sounds like sounds card is not configured correcly
[10:33] <crum> dont they work simutaneously?
[10:33] <crum> gahh
[10:33] <imbrandon> crum no
[10:33] <crum> crum--->not mac savvy
[10:33] <crum> crum---->pc savvy
[10:34] <crum> boy...dont I look like a moronic boob
[10:34] <imbrandon> nah ;)
[10:34] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab some lunch
[10:35] <siefkencp> boob
[10:36] <siefkencp> sorry i had to chime in there
[10:36] <crum> hehe
[10:36] <crum> now..check this out
[10:36] <crum> i plugged in a set of headphones..
[10:36] <crum> now the front speaker is working
[10:37] <crum> mac---->sheesh
[10:37] <crum> oh well...keep pluggin along
[10:40] <javier> does the dapper kernel support reading cpu temperature from an nforce4 moderboard?
[10:46] <nixternal> javier...lmsensors is gonna be your issue right now..there is no native nforce4 support quite yet
[10:47] <nixternal> although..you might be able to get it work with the i2c-nforce2 driver w/in lmsensors
[10:48] <skreech> lol
[10:48] <EvilIdler> Is nforce3 supported?
[10:48] <nixternal> actually...i just looked up lmsensors web page
[10:48] <skreech> Of course it auto joins #kubuntu
[10:48] <nixternal> they do have nforce4 support
[10:48] <skreech> EvilIdler: Konversation
[10:48] <skreech> Wow this is hard to read
[10:48] <nixternal> http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/%7Elm78/newdrivers.html
[10:49] <nixternal> and of course..it uses the i2c-nforce2
[10:49] <nixternal> looks like the same smbus on nforce, nforce2, nforce3, and nforce4
[10:50] <javier> nixternal: the problem here is that bios reports cpu temperature, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty
[10:50] <nixternal> nforce4 support on 2.6.12 kernels and newer
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Good - my fileserver is up for a replacement board
[10:50] <nixternal> if i remember correctly...in the lm-sensors config...flip everything...for some odd reason it seems to fix any minor issues with lm-sensors
[10:51] <nixternal> so if i2c-nforce2 is onthe bottom lf the config file...put it up top and so forth
[10:51] <nixternal> i haven't reconfigured lm-sensors...and truthfully..don't know if i will...cuz everytime i do..i spend to much time playing around and writing stupid scripts for amusement ;D
[10:51] <javier> nixternal: I have another machine (laptop) and I can read cpu temp without lmsensors
[10:51] <nixternal> ksensors or whatever?
[10:51] <javier> I thought i could read cpu temp prom standar kernel
[10:51] <nixternal> i can do that too
[10:52] <javier> s/prom/from
[10:52] <sorcre> Hello, is there a way to switch from Gnome to KDE on Ubuntu without reinstalling Kubuntu?
[10:52] <sorcre> I have Konqueror setup and it seems to work fine.
[10:52] <javier> in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone
[10:52] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <skreech> sorcre: You want to delete KDE?
[10:52] <HymnToLife> sorcre> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <nixternal> ;D
[10:52] <sorcre> Thanks :D
[10:52] <HymnToLife> pwn3d :(
[10:52] <skreech> oh wiat read that backwards
[10:52] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:52] <nixternal> sorry HymnToLife
[10:52] <javier> nixternal:  any thoughts?
[10:53] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ( likes being late )
[10:53] <nixternal> my only thought is i wish i had that nforce4 board and you didn't right now ;D
[10:53] <nixternal> hmmm...lemme play around here and see what i can find
[10:53] <skreech> Where can I find the library mountconfig?
[10:53] <nixternal> i will go and mess with my nforce2 board for a minute or 2
[10:54] <nixternal> hmm...i dont' have lmsensors configured at all on that board either...hell...not even installed...and mine is fine
[10:55] <imbrandon> brb
[10:57] <javier> nixternal: that's the point...
[10:57] <nixternal> hmmm...it seems that on my setup the thermal_zone is the only thing with decent info that i could use
[10:58] <javier> mine is empty :(
[10:59] <nixternal> well...i am guessing that it is setup by default...because i didn't mess with that portion of the kernel yesterday when i recompiled it
[10:59] <nixternal> also...it is on htis machine too...which is an older kt233a mobo...but still it is in there
[10:59] <javier> yes
[11:00] <javier>  my laptop also shows that info
[11:00] <javier> so something's wrong here
[11:00] <nixternal> ya
[11:00] <javier> but don't know what
[11:00] <nixternal> i am wondering if it is a nforce4 issue
[11:00] <nixternal> what kernel are you running?
[11:00] <javier> lastest dapper
[11:00] <nixternal> o
[11:00] <nixternal> k
[11:00] <skreech> I just went to the System settings and under Disks a module failed to load
[11:00] <javier> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:00] <nixternal> so that supports nforce4 monitoring according to what i hvae seen
[11:02] <crum> is there a hot key combo that controls your audio volume...
[11:04] <skreech> Wow
[11:04] <skreech> Kubuntu just went crazy
[11:05] <javier> nixternal: i'll try booting from a live cd this weekend and see...
[11:05] <javier> I've filled a bug
[11:05] <javier> but I'm not very confident
[11:08] <DarkED> how do i make xgl work with kde?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Ah ha!
[11:09] <sameer`> `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found. i m getting this
[11:09] <sameer`> i have installed the fonts
[11:09] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu wnet nuts a while ago
[11:10] <sameer`> and done everything and checked /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help.
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Still is going nuts actually :(
[11:10] <sameer`> but no help :(
[11:11] <DaSkreech> I"m not sure where to start
[11:11] <DaSkreech> X is the main boker addict
[11:11] <DaSkreech> bonker
[11:12] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:15] <nixternal> whew....fiery habenero doritos are not friendly the day after
[11:16] <exhale> does anyone know what console based text editors that are included in kubuntu?
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> vim
[11:16] <exhale> except vim.
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> ed
[11:16] <nixternal> nano
[11:16] <nixternal> vi
[11:16] <nixternal> pico
[11:17] <exhale> nano isnt in kubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <nixternal> it is a konsole based editor with mine
[11:17] <exhale> heh i just installed it and nano isnt there
[11:17] <nixternal> hmm
[11:17] <nixternal> it was for me
[11:17] <nixternal> dapper flight 7
[11:18] <exhale> i did a server install and then apted kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <exhale> o, im using the stable
[11:18] <nixternal> actually...i have had nano with every install...because i just started using nano
[11:18] <nixternal> i used to vi
[11:18] <exhale> hmm weird
[11:18] <nixternal> ya it is
[11:18] <exhale> thats really weird :|
[11:18] <nixternal> maybe i was thinking of mepis stable that had it included...but i know for a fact it is in dapper
[11:19] <mpathy> Hi there.. Is it possible that the button for konqueror who let me change the type of view (icons, list, tree etc.) is not available in Kubuntus KDE?
[11:19] <sameer`> can some pls help me with konsole font
[11:19] <exhale> bbl
[11:19] <SlimG> anyone know of a good php editor with code autocompletion for Kubuntu (or linux in general)?
[11:20] <mpathy> SlimG, Quanta should have one..
[11:20] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Try the kcontrol program and look for an option there
[11:20] <SlimG> mpathy: thanks :)
[11:21] <sorcre_> I just installed KDE on Ubuntu. Is there a way to remove Gnome? Or should I just leave it alone?
[11:21] <nixternal> sudo apt-get -remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <robotgeek> nixternal: that does not remove gnome
[11:21] <nixternal> it was worth a try ;D
[11:21] <EvilIdler> Try aptitude for removal
[11:22] <Bazzi> aptitude may be skilled enough
[11:22] <mpathy> EvilIdler, ?!? Its a little button that is available in every Konqueror of every KDE I used before on other distributions, and I strongly believe that this is only a Konqueror thing!
[11:23] <sorcre_> Just to check, Kubuntu still uses apt / Synaptic right?
[11:23] <mpathy> But its not there, and I have to go the a submenu in a menu and that drives me insane (really *g*) on Nautilus its the biggest button you can see, and in Kubuntus Konqueror its lost ;)
[11:23] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage sorcre_
[11:23] <DaSkreech> sorcre_: It uses adept
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Ok What the heck just happend :(
[11:24] <DaSkreech> All my desktop files were just messed up and
[11:24] <sorcre_> robotgeek: Should I put that in a text file and execute it?
[11:25] <robotgeek> sorcre_: yes. also make sure to chmod +x it
[11:25] <EvilIdler> mpathy: There's a "Save settings" option under the Settings menu, which you can use after changing the view under View, at least
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Anyone use Konversation?
[11:28] <sorcre_> So I'm assuming I shouldn't use apt-get anymore...
[11:29] <DaSkreech> sorcre_: Use what you like this is the land of the Penguin man
[11:29] <mpathy> EvilIdler, sure :) But what should I save? If there would be a button I wouldnt ask :) I am using KDE since 4 years or so.. Never seen sth. like that before
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> Use aptitude all the time and you will always be ok but if you don't install something with aptitude then its useless (the dependancies are tracked)
[11:29] <DaSkreech> I read that as you have been using KDE4 for years now
[11:29] <EvilIdler> mpathy: You should mention it to some devs. I think removing a button is bad, too.
[11:29] <noteventime> I can't play elephants dream in kaffeine :(
[11:30] <DaSkreech> mpathy: Sorry for jumping in What button is this?
[11:30] <sorcre_> Thanks a lot :D
[11:32] <mpathy> DaSkreech, thanks for jumping *g* The button where you can choose the view of the files in the Konqueror, if they should be icons, a list, a tree view etc. - and I also searched the "Configure Toolbars" (or what it is called in english) for the button but I found none..
[11:32] <orco> Hi! I'm not sure what happens but I cannot hear any sound from xine motor
[11:33] <sameer`> can pls some one help me with konsol fonts
[11:33] <sameer`> `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' <---i get this error
[11:33] <sameer`> and done everything and checked /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help.
[11:33] <sameer`> but nothing
[11:33] <sameer`> font still cann't be found
[11:33] <sameer`> :(
[11:34] <nixternal> lol
[11:37] <kOpter> Yello :)
[11:37] <kOpter> Does anyone know if a Geforce 2 MX will be enough for XGL?
[11:39] <mpathy> DaSkreech, its (in my opinion) the mostly used button in a file manager, so I ask myself why noone can tell be about :) I really cannot believe its not available under Kubuntu.. That would be too much "simplifying" for me and I would have think about switching to a desktop enviroment where, for example, the stay with the problem, the button I talked about, is the biggest button in nautilus :) and some other reasons (KWifiManager not wor
[11:39] <mpathy> king -> have to use shell scripts, URL Handler broken -> after installation of a KDE WebDev program all links are send to Quanta or send to Konqueror but as a file://tmp/ link..) and such things
[11:40] <mpathy> -the +to
[11:40] <nixternal> brb
[11:41] <EvilIdler> I actually only set the view once and never touch it again, but it would be silly to think everyone uses Konqueror the same way
[11:42] <EvilIdler> mpathy: I think I found it - switch on the main toolbar
[11:43] <mpathy> EvilIdler, and how it is called?
[11:44] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Setting->Toolbars->Main
[11:45] <mpathy> EvilIdler, yes, I know where it SHOULD be, but how it is called? I looked at that window for 10 min before ;)
[11:45] <kOpter> Does anyone know if a Geforce 2 MX will be enough for XGL?
[11:45] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Well, it's the Settings menu on mine.
[11:45] <EvilIdler> First option under that.
[11:47] <mpathy> EvilIdler, I know where I can configure the toolbars ;) Or, do you mean the first entry in the toolbar configuration dialog? not at my Kubuntu ;)
[11:48] <EvilIdler> mpathy: I mean the Settings *menu*. Not a dialog of any sort.
[11:48] <qalimas> Is there a way to compile every package over again for 686, or download a 686-optimized (K)Ubuntu?
[11:48] <EvilIdler> qalimas: You won't gain any noticable difference.
[11:49] <qalimas> Why not? I use Arch currently, and it's all 686, and it's speed is uch greater than Kubuntu and Ubuntu's
[11:49] <qalimas> The only reason I use Arch is for it's great speed
[11:49] <qalimas> I installed a 686 kernel on my desktop under Kubuntu, and it speed up a bit
[11:49] <EvilIdler> qalimas: The kernel and certain server programs are generally where you can gain most speed, and X itself
[11:50] <EvilIdler> qalimas: But if you want to build, read the apt-get manpage on getting a source with the build option
[11:50] <qalimas> So just running a 686 kernel with 386 apps can keep me fast, or as fast as I want?
[11:50] <qalimas> Ok, thank you
[11:51] <mpathy> EvilIdler, okay.. then its not there here..
[11:51] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Optimised kernel, X and the core KDE libs would go far to speed up your system. GUI apps spend their time waiting for slow humans, anyway ;)
[11:51] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Weird. Dunno what's wrong in your installation, then :/
[11:52] <EvilIdler> I switched on the Main toolbar, and get 7 buttons, including 3 for different views
[11:53] <qalimas> Are there prebuild kdelibs and X packages for 686?  I found the kernel in apt, and I fear compiling something as important as X :P
[11:53] <mpathy> EvilIdler, I think I reinstall my system, with the beta 2 of dapper.. I think otherwise I try to get it for years
[11:54] <EvilIdler> qalimas: I'm running a 686 image on a PIV
[11:55] <qalimas> PIV?
[11:55] <EvilIdler> qalimas: linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 is one that I can see
[11:55] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Yeah, Intel
[11:55] <qalimas> Yes, I think that's what I'm using
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> hehe..p4
[11:55] <qalimas> Oh, P4, I'm sorry, I have never seen it written as PIV
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> it got me too
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> i was like..what is a piv
[11:56] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Optimising for later CPU architectures mainly aligns code to 4k, 8k, whatever sizes
[11:56] <qalimas> lol
[11:56] <EvilIdler> Intel *love* the Roman numerals ;)
[11:56] <nixternal> thought it was some super puter
[11:56] <EvilIdler> And It says 'PIV' in the dpkg
[11:56] <DaSkreech> mpathy: What is under your settings menu for Konqi?
[11:57] <qalimas> I don't know how the architecture packages work, at this point, I don't care yet, I'm still learning the new stuff, but I do know I run Arch on my laptop, and it's almost twice as fast as Kubuntu was on it
[11:57] <qalimas> I'd like to make Kubuntu work as good, because Arch isn't as laptop friendly, but the speed and such has me spoiled
[11:57] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Stuff reacts instantly here. Can't get faster than instant :)
[11:57] <nixternal> i ran arch on my lappy to...the fastest distro i have used...damn small linux...the 2nd fastest is xubuntu
[11:57] <EvilIdler> P4 2.66, GeForce FX 5700LE
[11:57] <qalimas> It's instant on my laptop... under Arch, not Kubuntu :P
[11:57] <nixternal> i had issue after issue with dsl
[11:58] <nixternal> i will say that i have noticed a little bit of a slowness with flight 7 that i hadn't noticed b4
[11:59] <nixternal> now..my kubuntu desktop doesn't beat my xp desktop in boot, or load
[11:59] <qalimas> Kubuntu's boot is rather slow, until you put in InitNG
[11:59] <nixternal> when i had previous version...it flew..never seen linux so fast...and my kernel is lean and mean...andi odn't have a million things running either
[11:59] <nixternal> i haven't even needed to use initNG cuz of my speeds
[11:59] <kOpter> So.. did anyone see the songfestival semi-finals?
[11:59] <nixternal> now i might just check it out cuz i am not satisfied
[11:59] <qalimas> I'm only on a Athlon 2800, speeds aren't THAT impressive :P
[12:00] <nixternal> can't say that i did kOpter
[12:00] <qalimas> But a 13 second boot beats a 60 second one
[12:00] <kOpter> :)
[12:00] <nixternal> im on a 2000+ and they have been very impressive until i did the flight 7...i mean it is still good...but not good enough for me
[12:00] <kOpter> Just remember to vote for Lordi on saterday :)
[12:00] <nixternal> ya..i was at 23 seconds from grub to desktop
[12:00] <nixternal> now im int he 40's to 50's
[12:01] <robotgeek> i never reboot :)
[12:01] <qalimas> robotgeek: My desktop goes down at night because of light, and my laptop simply because I never go ANYWHERE without it, at school, it's completely invaluble :P
[12:01] <nixternal> uh oh
[12:01] <robotgeek> qalimas: sleep ;)
[12:01] <qalimas> So I have to shutdown often, but need a quick boot so I don't get left behind when taking notes
[12:01] <nixternal> that server went down
[12:01] <nixternal> lol
[12:01] <qalimas> lol
[12:02] <kOpter> Reboot :)?
[12:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:02] <qalimas> damn, a shitload got kicked on every channel
[12:02] <nixternal> see robotgeek...you talked about never rebooting and look what you did to the server ;D


[00:00] <wgrant> pikkachu: No, dependencies aren't taken into account. But eg. the orig.tar.gz can be used by multiple versions of the package, and it won't be removed until everything that references it is no longer published.
[00:01] <wgrant> The diffs won't be updated; there are bugs about requesting new ones.
[00:15] <pikkachu> I'm sorry my client crashed, I'm back now...
[00:19] <pikkachu> why doesn't my ppa show the changelog? I receive a message in the update manager that the site does not support changelogs...
[00:20] <pikkachu> is this a bug? because I thought it would display debian/changelog
[00:21] <wgrant> pikkachu: PPAs don't provide changelogs for update-manager at this time.
[00:23] <pikkachu> ah ok thanks...
[00:26] <pikkachu> thanks for the other answer wgrant
[00:29] <pikkachu> both published versions 20120323 and 20120331 have pidgin_2.10.0.orig.tar.bz2 as source base, I'm not sure if it should be something different... (I mean I dont get what was said about the relation between orig.tar.gz and package deletion, sorry :( )
[00:31] <pikkachu> I'm not sure if this is a Launchpad question, sorry if not, but what do you guys do when *a patch itself* is changed on a new package version? I just rewrote the patch file, I didn't add a new patch...
[00:32] <pikkachu> I also wanted to rename the patch to username_Description.patch and so I did...
[02:54] <pikkachu> is there already a bug files for changelogs in ppas?
[02:55] <pikkachu> *filed
[02:56] <wgrant> pikkachu: Yes.
[03:55] <pikkachu> ok wgrant, thanks
[06:03] <pikkachu> can I randomly change the OpenPGP keys in LP account then using the new keys to submit to the same ppa?
[14:59] <bobweaver> Hello there I would like to get better at filling out bug reports on LP I think that it is cool as all heck that there is now something that connects me to launchpad when something crashes! It is great and I have got to know a little about LP and look forward to learning more so that is why I am here. I would like to know more about putting use-full info up on the bugs page. Take a look at this bug it effects me at least that wgat the launch
[14:59] <bobweaver> ers say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-music/+bug/917974         LOOk at post #1 see who there is a list of stuff that he put
[15:00] <bobweaver> how do I also log (I think it called) like that
[15:03] <dobey> bobweaver: i don't think there is much you could add to that. it's a background service that crashed. it was happening for me as well
[15:04] <bobweaver> cool dobey
[15:04] <bobweaver> You all did such a good job on this bug tracking system
[15:05] <bobweaver> this is going to solve so many issues
[15:05] <bobweaver> thanks
[16:45] <cousin_luigi> Hello.
[16:47] <cousin_luigi> Do you think a PPA with a scripting package downloading and extracting otherwise non-redistributable pacakges would be legally problematic?
[16:48] <cousin_luigi> Namely, something akin to https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java but for the PPAPI-based flash plugin supplied with the Chrome browser.
[16:53] <dobey> cousin_luigi: ask your lawyer? this isn't a legal advice channel, though i don't see any problem with it as long as you build the packages properly :)
[16:54] <cousin_luigi> dobey: I see:)
[16:54] <mrevell> cousin_luigi, You can find the PPA terms of use at https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse ... that's as far as I can help you. This paragraph might help most: "You understand and agree that any content you upload to PPAs must be freely redistributable by Canonical, and released under a license permitting redistribution free of charge."
[16:55] <dobey> ^^ what he said
[17:00] <plars> Hi, I'm having trouble changing the owner of a branch from myself to a team that I'm part of, I seem to recall having this issue before and someone said there was a bug in the UI for this, but there was a script that would change it
[17:00] <plars> anyone aware of this?
[17:01] <cousin_luigi> mrevell: Seems to me the script itself would be well within those terms.
[17:03] <czajkowski> plars: what branch ?
[17:05] <36DAA2KXS> Should i report issues i am having with Kubuntu 12.04 beta 2 running live from usb , on launch pad? If yes, how do i do it?
[17:05] <czajkowski> 36DAA2KXS: nope
[17:05] <czajkowski> 36DAA2KXS: have you asked in #kubuntu ?
[17:06] <36DAA2KXS> yeah they told me to head to #ubuntu+1 and was told to log with launchpad from there
[17:06] <czajkowski> well log it via laundpad or via your computer?
[17:06] <36DAA2KXS> its fairly minor, typical beta stuff i assume, but just wanted to help if i could
[17:07] <czajkowski> ok let me find out for you
[17:07] <plars> czajkowski: https://code.launchpad.net/~pwlars/linaro-python-dashboard-bundle/trunk I'm trying to change the owner to linaro-validation
[17:08] <czajkowski> jussi: can you help 36DAA2KXS please
[17:08] <czajkowski> plars: let me go and ask
[17:11] <czajkowski> plars: I've asked webops to do it for me as I can't
[17:11] <plars> czajkowski: thanks, so it's still a known issue I guess?
[17:11] <plars> czajkowski: I remember having this problem a long time ago on a lot of branches, and someone gave me a script that could be used to fix them all - just can't find the script now :)
[17:14] <dobey> plars: just branch it, and push it back up to the new team owner url instead
[17:15] <dobey> that's what i always do anyway, when i need to do that
[17:18] <plars> ah, I think I see the problem - there's another branch owned by that user, but it's under a different series
[17:25] <thedac> plars: I get "Linaro Validation Team already has a branch for Linaro Dashboard Bundle utilities called trunk." when changing ownership on that branch
[17:25] <plars> thedac: yeah, it does... trying to sort this out
[17:25] <plars> thedac: It looks to me like the one owned by me is identical
[17:25] <plars> thedac: and that the linaro-validation one is the branch associated with the trunk series
[17:26] <thedac> right. My guess is you will need to change the name of this one to something other than "trunk"
[17:26] <plars> thedac: so I think I can just delete mine, but another member of the team says he's just trying to push to lp:linaro-python-dashboard-bundle, and it's not allowing him because it's my branch that it tries to push to
[17:28] <thedac> hmm, let me see what that expands to
[17:28] <plars> thedac: ah, he just told me the error is: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-88222864:///%2Bbranch/linaro-python-dashboard-bundle/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[17:28] <plars> that doesn't look like a permission problem
[17:28] <thedac> agreed
[18:56] <cousin_luigi> bye
[22:33] <bitplane-> Hi, say I want to make an app and get the community involved, what's the best way to go about it?
[22:36] <bitplane-> Do I write a blueprint, start a thread on ubuntu forums?
[22:36] <bitplane-> or just start hacking then announce it later?
[23:33] <pikkachu> how do I find all bugs for which I am *not* subscribed?
[23:33] <lifeless> for i in (1 to infinity); am-i-subscribed?
[23:35] <pikkachu> well it's not infinity though :P
[23:36] <pikkachu> actually I mean "All related bugs" except the ones I'm subscribed
[23:36] <lifeless> ah, thats perhaps more useful :)
[23:36] <lifeless> I'm not sure offhand though, perhaps +assigned + +commented etc ?
[23:49] <pikkachu> hmm I got it with a dirty diff hack on the pages :D


[02:42] <Son_Goku> niemeyer, zyga: another step on the ladder: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/pull-request/67
[20:37] <probono> Why would one want a Fedora base snap though?
[20:37] <probono> isn't the point of base snaps that there shouldn't me many of them?
[20:39] <probono> if every app depends on another base snap, the whole system will be very inefficient
[20:39] <probono> kinda like Flatpak today
[21:01] <popey> probono: some software vendors build against rpm based distros and don't want to re-tool for debian based ones.
[21:03] <probono> that imho is the software vendor's problem; should users really have to care what tooling software vendors are using?
[21:03] <probono> possibly the base snaps should be entirely distro agnostic
[21:04] <probono> e.g., built on yocto
[21:05] <probono> evidence shows that in flatpak almost evey app uses a different (version) runtime. let's not repeat that in snappy. releasing one distro-agnostic base snap every 4 years or so would be ideal, imho
[21:05] <popey> Users won't care.
[21:06] <probono> hard disk and ram does care
[21:06] <popey> Users will just install foo-app which will bring in whatever base is needed
[21:06] <popey> core18 is 54MB in size
[21:07] <probono> yes, which means that we'll end up with more than 1-2 base snaps on each system, which is not efficient
[21:08] <popey> That depends on the choice of apps the user has and the popularity (or not) of the 3rd party bases
[21:08] <popey> While it's possible there may end up being fedora, suse, gentoo and whatever else, realistically not many apps will depend on gentoo base
[21:08] <popey> Because (rightly or not) many developers 'standardised' on Ubuntu as their build system.
[21:09] <popey> So chances are a large proportion of users will have 1 or 2 bases, and a small number might have 3, which third one they have, depends
[22:07] <probono> Because many developers 'standardised' on Ubuntu as their build system, Ubuntu should be sufficient as the base snap, no?
[22:46] <dviola> hi
[22:46] <dviola> I am trying to run a mono app from a snap, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, can someone help please?
[22:46] <dviola> here is the snapcraft.yaml: https://gist.github.com/diegoviola/e848072006ea0a310828a2e8df769ae3
[22:46] <dviola> this is the error I get: https://gist.github.com/diegoviola/43acb954b969eb47a0e67c8165132e21
[22:46] <dviola> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'gtk-sharp, Version=<IP_ADDRESS>, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f' or one of its dependencies.
[22:47] <dviola> mono and gtk-sharp2 is being installed on the snap
[22:47] <dviola> but when I run it I get that
[22:49] <dviola> I tried copying the gtk2sharp.dll to the mono's gac but that didn't work
[23:21] <dviola> any ideas please?
[23:58] <popey> dviola: it's a bit late on a sunday. might be better to either ask again during the european / US working week, or on the forum
[23:59] <popey> (forum is probably best so others can learn the solution.)
[23:59] <dviola> ok thanks


[09:35] <ameetgandhare> I am trying to reimage nodes from MAAS controller. The machine is put in to "declared": state. After which I put the node in commissioning state, and restart the node. I find that the pxe boot starts and then my squid-deb-proxy dies and the commissioning failed .
[09:35] <ameetgandhare> Please help me find the problem
[09:38] <dimitern> rvba, ping
[09:39] <ameetgandhare> the MAAS web gui reports "Failed State" for the node being commissioned.
[09:39] <ameetgandhare> Please help me fix the problem.
[09:42] <rvba> ameetgandhare: If your squid-deb-proxy dies and you think it's the problem, you need to look into its log.  Note that you don't need to restart the node manually, if you provide the BMC credential, MAAS should take care of booting up the node for you.
[09:42] <rvba> Hi dimitern.
[09:45] <ameetgandhare> The squid-deb-proxy dies when node that wants to join the MAAS cluster tries to connect to the proxy for downloading files from internet.
[09:47] <ameetgandhare> I am not finding any infirmation in /var/log/squid-deb-proxy .
[09:47] <ameetgandhare> This is happening in the commisioning state of the node.
[09:49] <ameetgandhare> Also I need to restart the node everytime when MAAS web-gui puts the node in "commissioning" mode.
[09:49] <ameetgandhare> MAAS does not do that.
[09:49] <rvba> ameetgandhare: the proxy's logs are in /var/log/maas/proxy/.
[09:49] <ameetgandhare> ok. thanks
[09:50] <ameetgandhare> But I don't have any directory called proxy inside /var/log/maas/ . I am running Ubuntu 14.04 with MAAS
[09:58] <ameetgandhare> I have an oops file which is created for approximately same time that the proxy crashed in /var/log/maas/oops . How can I analyze it?
[10:01] <rvba> The OOPS report is a bson file.  strings <oops_file> will give you a view of the content.
[10:13] <ameetgandhare> thanks
[16:38] <plop> hello


[00:46] <Garbonzo> hi all, anyone using the ocamlfuse google drive client?
[09:27] <Garbonzo> hi, anyone using the ocamlfuse google drive client?
[10:03] <Garbonzo> just creating my launchpad profile in order to volunteer. Please can someone advise on PGP keys?
[10:09] <Guest12343> Hello?
[10:14] <Garbonzo> hi
[10:43] <onla> Hi. Looking for hidden autostart apps. wicd network manager is starting up eventhough I untagged the wicd tray app which was listed on the app found from menu
[10:46] <onla> the app is not here /home/v/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[10:47] <onla> looked at bunch of other files called autostart that I found from searching /
[10:47] <onla> my lubuntu is acting up on many other areas too. I did software update for the first time in many months, it updated dozens of apps. I have 14.04
[10:55] <testdr> onla: dont know it till know - only did notice some things are fighting against each other. There is normal upstart starting jobs, then x11, then openbox, then lxde and so on. For example the light-locker user-settings will only activated if the user changes the settings and forces the save.
[10:59] <onla> I tried to remove that light-locker thing earlier too. I got this weird problem now that after some time of idle I am locked out of my accoun when I type in pw and log back in, the screen goes black and I can't do anything but to power off pc. I tried ctrl+alt+ldel, ctrl alt f1-f7 ctrl alt esc..
[10:59] <onla> but that is another problem
[11:00] <onla> is there generally less weird problems and things fighting each other in the regular ubuntu installation?
[11:21] <testdr> onla: ctrl+alt+ldel for shuting down X11 is disabled in the default settings since some time - you have to enable it to use it
[11:24] <testdr> onla: the problem of fighting configurations is old - it started a long time ago with kde and gnome and their tries to offer users system-configurations with easy gui but inside with some cryptic konfigurations (different bus-systems ...)
[11:30] <testdr> onla: as the user, you are free to choose - not only the kind of software to make it better or worse, it depends too on the hardware. Light-locker may show no problems for some users and other may live better without it and using older xscreenaver and its locking feature.
[11:31] <Garbonzo> hello, have created a launchpad account, signed and sealed in blood... who should I contact about volunteering?
[11:32] <hateball> !dev
[11:34] <Garbonzo> I'm not a dev, sadly :-( More capable in an FPAC (Finger Paint And Crayons) role, or writing docs, etc.
[11:40] <Garbonzo> I think the Documentation or Communications teams are possibilities though...
[11:45] <onla> I really need to find out what locks my session. After 1 0minutes of idle my session gets locked and I can't log back in
[11:45] <onla> so I practically need to reboot after 10minutes of idle
[11:48] <onla> also like I said, I looked at around 10 different autostart files, and none is showing anything that would be related to some lock screen apps or such. I used to have lubuntu 13.x here with different user and when I got locked out and I chose reboot, it said that there was still users logged in. Did that mean the root user, or is my old user there as a phtantom from lubuntu 13? I have the old user with diff username still existing
[11:53] <testdr> onla: that sounds like laptop usage problems. If you are using a laptop with power-saving problems, the only way to solve is to disable every thing until you have more info about your hardware/software combination and whether there are special solutions or not. Is it a laptop?
[11:53] <onla> no
[11:54] <onla> desktop pc or what they call it
[11:54] <onla> actually there are bunch of applications that are  autostarted after I did the software updating thing
[11:55] <onla> I used to have some 3 icons in tray, but after updating something, now there are some 10
[11:55] <testdr> onla: what hardware? Mainboard, cpu, graka -- the output of lspci, lsusb, cpuinfo and post the url of the pastebin-service you uploads this output (dont post multi lines here in the irc)
[11:56] <onla> I did set to my grub some noblank=10 or some setting long ago
[11:57] <testdr> onla: if you have a misconfigured update - you should first try the desktop-live-version (its 14.04.1 lubuntu) to check if this runs without problems and then a clean install is the quickest way.
[11:57] <onla> cpuinfo cmd not found
[11:58] <onla> cat /proc/cpuinfo ok?
[11:58] <testdr> onla: thats the problem - its time consuming like this to explain to you, that cpuinfo is content of a system-file
[11:59] <testdr> onla: one workearound would be you install   "lshw"  (its not part of the default installed packets) - it generates an output of the hardware-specs
[12:00] <onla> http://pastebin.com/URR3zqyG
[12:02] <onla> I got some problems with usb wlan dongle, that sagem there. it got solved by replugging it. The problem was weird and maybe related to the whole usb hub cause the gamepad didnt work either. but this is probably another problem also :)
[12:03] <onla> http://pastebin.com/y78uVc8w
[12:03] <testdr> onla: you are using this combined amd-cpu+gpu (grafik) - i have read about some problems - but to find those would last some time - there were bug-reports for problems ! And therefore the first thing is really you have to check with a clean 14.04.1 version.
[12:04] <onla> oh
[12:04] <onla> I have so many confiugrations on this that I wouldn't want to do that
[12:05] <onla> I have written down what I have confed though but hmm
[12:05] <onla> but not all
[12:05] <testdr> onla: you did not understand the usage of the ubuntu-live-version? It does not change your current software install - you boot it from an usb-stick!
[12:05] <onla> ah that. Well I think it wouldn't reproduce my problems
[12:06] <onla> or maybe that locking out user after idle even when the setting has not been set
[12:06] <onla> but everything was just fine until 2 days ago :I
[12:06] <testdr> onla: then use your backup of 2 days ago
[12:07] <onla> so I don't know what I would test in that live cd, because I would need to install all kind of apps that are generating these problems
[12:07] <onla> start- system tools - software updater. I ran this, and it listed some 20-50 apps to be updated. I hadn't run that for maybe 4 months
[12:07] <onla> or actually I hadn't run that at all
[12:08] <onla> and I installed 14.04 maybe 4 months ago
[12:08] <onla> by upgrading 13.x or 12.x
[12:08] <onla> which I hadn't used
[12:09] <onla> but I would think that it shouldnt be too difficult to pinpoint the location or a file that triggers these autostarting of applications among this app that makes my screen get locked
[12:10] <testdr> onla: then do in a terminal (and paste the output thru pastebin):  sudo apt-get  update  &  sudo apt-get   upgrade
[12:10] <onla> hmm.. thanks ok.. I gotta go now. I'll do that when I get back.. afk for some 2-6h
[12:10] <testdr> onla: sorry - double &   :  sudo apt-get  update  &&  sudo apt-get   upgrade
[12:11] <onla> ok
[15:05] <onla> about my problem of session getting locked and when logging back in getting black screen and cant do nothing but poweroff pc: hmm, this time when I came back and logged in, it was a black screen for couple of seconds and then it logged back in and I don't need to boot.
[15:06] <onla> however I got this message from ubuntu: sorry ubuntu 14.04 experienced an internal error. /usr/bin/Xorg package xserver-xorg-core <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2.1 problem type: crash
[15:06] <onla> I can send an error report, but I cannot copy paste the details from that window
[15:07] <onla> can I somehow get this report copied?
[15:10] <onla> trying the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.. but my internet is really choppy.. getting disconnected every few minutes
[15:10] <onla> hope the apt-get won't mind
[15:10] <onla> at least it waited nicely now when I was not getting packets for a minute or so
[15:11] <onla> 3g internet and my wlan dongle to receive that 3g is some cheap dx.com dongle which is not working too well always
[15:12] <onla> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade <- this seemed to end operation without doing the upgrade, because my sources list is not working too well. W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/speed-dreams/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[15:12] <onla> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[15:13] <onla> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty/main amd64 Packages                          404  Not Found
[15:17] <onla> ok I removed couple errs and now it did the apt-get upgrade too. Only upgraded libxml2 libxml2:i386 python-libxml2
[15:17] <onla> Have a long list of "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" Should I apt-get autoremove them?
[15:18] <testdr> onla: all those errors only prove you have a bigger problem - you should really consider a fresh install - maybe on some free space, you only need 30-40GB for a new install and first check if there are really no special hardware/software quirks to solve.
[15:20] <testdr> onla: and cause you were offline some short time - from your cpuinfo, thats crazy. It looks like you are running full-speed all the time, maybe you forgot to enable cpu-cool+quiet in bios?
[15:20] <onla> or not! I did apt-get update now again, and there were no 404 or errors. I just removed the speed-dreams and other apps source. That 404 concerning some basic ppa.launchpad was no more there, maybe because my internet didnt get cut during the update process
[15:21] <onla> hmm? actually I have reseted my bios just couple days ago because of another problem
[15:21] <onla> so there might be some strange settings there
[15:21] <testdr> onla: i did not say you may be lucky to get your system fixed - its only there may be more problems around you dont notice or did mention
[15:22] <onla> maybe I should check bios about that cpu-cool+quiet thing. I thought I went thru all the settings there. Not sure if I find it
[15:22] <onla> How did you see that kinda thing from the cpuinfo? :s
[15:22] <testdr> onla: cool+quiet is no strange settings -- you can disable it and thats the default for most bios - but you have to enable it for coolinig your cpu and not runnint in cooling-problems soon.
[15:23] <testdr> onla: all cores running at full mhz speed --
[15:23] <onla> hmm
[15:23] <testdr> onla: that only happens with heavy workload
[15:23] <onla> I earlier was wondering the noise
[15:23] <onla> then I installed some app to control speeds
[15:23] <testdr> onla: the noise maybe your ventilator cooling and running on full speed
[15:24] <onla> pwmconfig
[15:24] <testdr> onla: i am off for some minutes
[15:24] <onla> I try find that cool and quiet thing thanks
[15:24] <onla> I go check now
[15:34] <onla> it was set to auto. I changed to enabled, but still getting noise from coolers
[15:35] <onla> https://twitter.com/vn12321/status/526758434403016704
[15:35] <onla> did my twitter link come here? My modem said I was disconnected while I pressed enter with that
[15:38] <onla> http://pastebin.com/AqvdQR3W
[15:42] <onla> this cpus at 3200 seems serious to me
[15:43] <onla> maybe I really should try some live cd.
[15:44] <onla> I have only some micro sd adapter where I can put 2 or 4gb micro sd card. Which program would you use to create a bootable live cd of ? and you would suggest 14.04 for that?
[15:44] <onla> so I could check cpuinfo on live cd if it has 3200
[15:48] <onla>  clean 14.04.1 version.
[15:49] <onla> what do you think of ubuntu 14.10 if I try 14.04.1 live cd first
[15:53] <onla> maybe I shuld prefer 14.04, because some things I want to install may not be available for 14.10
[16:13] <Gyndawyr_> hello lubuntu people
[16:14] <Gyndawyr_> What is the release cycle for lubuntu like/when is 15.04 due to come out, and will it have LXQt?
[16:14] <joern> hi Gyndawyr_
[16:15] <ianorlin> 15.04 is out next april
[16:15] <Gyndawyr_> damn that's ages away
[16:15] <ianorlin> the 15 part is for 2015
[16:15] <ianorlin> and the .04 part is for april
[16:15] <joern> the decision for LXQt is still in question
[16:15] <Gyndawyr_> heh... it was worth a try, asking :)
[16:15] <joern> but you can already try LXQt
[16:16] <joern> if that is what you want ;-)
[16:16] <Gyndawyr_> can I get an installer that has it as the default, though?
[16:16] <joern> not yet
[16:16] <joern> there are 2 PPAs for it
[16:16] <Gyndawyr_> I shall wait till April then
[16:16] <ianorlin> there is a way to get it from the mini installer but that is a bit tricky
[16:17] <Gyndawyr_> one more question: Will lubuntu fit on a tiny 8GB SSD?
[16:17] <ianorlin> yes
[16:17] <joern> Lubuntu needs a bit more than 4 GB, I think
[16:17] <ianorlin> but be warned if you download lots of stuff you could fill up quickly
[16:17] <Gyndawyr_> I only plan on getting a few things
[16:18] <Gyndawyr_> right now I'm running arch linux but I've not used this PC since 2013 and I'm supposed to have updated it once a week...
[16:19] <Gyndawyr_> It's probably worth admitting that arch linux is too hard for me...
[16:22] <Gyndawyr_> thanks for the info everyone
[16:23] <zy3pD> no problem
[17:16] <onla> okay. With ubuntu 14.04.1 the cpuinfo shows 800.00 mhz on all cores. I think I had that earlier too. Maybe the upgrade couple days ago messed this up also
[17:16] <onla> I am testing a new wlan adapter, but the ubuntu live cd couldn't get it online, and I am troubleshooting that now
[17:17] <testdr> onla: check type of wlan-chipset - some firmware is not in the default installed pakets - you have to install it extra, cause of copyright issues
[17:17] <onla> I saved my dmesg and lspci to the live cd's Documents folder, but now when I booted to my lubuntu, I can't locate the files :OD
[17:17] <onla> lspci showed it on ubuntu live cd
[17:18] <onla> 03:07.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01)
[17:18] <testdr> onla: you should more test the live-cd-version - you have to save files permanent to the mounted usb-stick-space
[17:18] <onla> ye I thought I saved them to the usb disk and I could access them here on lubuntu but apparently not. Maybe I  boot again and save them to other drive :)
[17:19] <onla> but I wonder why this above mentioned network controller didn't load on the ubuntu live cd, but does load automatically on this lubuntu 14.04
[17:20] <onla> I just plugged into my pc and booted lubuntu for the first time an half hour ago and lubuntu recognized and connected internet with it automatically.. ubuntu live cd didn't. I think the dmesg has some info on it, but I guess I need to boot to check
[17:20] <Garbonzo> difference between the livecd kernel and the as-installed kernel?
[17:20] <testdr> onla: you did read what i wrote? The default pakets have not additional firmware - you can add those to the live-cd with apt-get
[17:21] <onla> so earlier I have installed some additional firmware to my lubuntu that covered this card
[17:21] <testdr> Garbonzo, onla some firmware is in the linux-firmware-nonfree paket and not in the default live-cd-version
[17:21] <onla> ok
[17:22] <Garbonzo> right you are testdr. was just guessing -- better i stay out of this one!
[17:22] <testdr> to get it - do a:  sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[17:22] <onla> uname -r on this lubuntu says: 3.13.0-37-generic  <- should I check if this is differing on live cd, is that what garbonzo you mean?
[17:22] <Garbonzo> well, more thinking about what drivers are installed...
[17:23] <Garbonzo> but like i said, better i butt out now :-)
[17:23] <testdr> onla: the live-cd-version has an older linux-kernel - there were already updates - but this is not the reason. Your installed version may already use the necessary firmware for the wlan-chipset.
[17:24] <testdr> onla: but your problem - as far as i remember - was not the wlan-support, it was the blackout of the monitor like some heavy wrong powersave-missusage
[17:24] <ianorlin> it could be underclocking if speedstep is on
[17:24] <onle> i connected my phone here
[17:25] <ianorlin> it saves on power
[17:25] <testdr> ianorlin: i dont know - his cpuinfo showed all cores running with full-speed - either wrong bios-setting or no cpu-governer set
[17:26] <onla> I have set some settings with pwmconfig and also in my memo I have added lines on cpufreqd and cpufrequtils, but not sure if I did something with them
[17:26] <testdr> ianorlin: i dont know what happens if those get to hot - cause his mainboard uses the amd-cpu with builtin grafic for screenoutput
[17:27] <onla> I tried to slow down my fans and cpu in fact at that time. I can run pwmconfig now and see what I did. I think I just added the defaults
[17:27] <testdr> onla: thats why i suggested a fresh install - its very time-consuming to get down to all those things you might have changed to fix something ...
[17:27] <onla> and it actually slowed my fans at least
[17:28] <onla> ye well it's two edged sword, because there are tons of things I  have investigated and done, and which I have to redo if I clean install :)
[17:28] <onla> and I had to ask help with those things, as I can't manage them alone maybe
[17:29] <testdr> onla: easy thing - you only need a list of all changes you have done and one can check what might be crucial and what not?
[17:30] <onla> one of the recent problems was getting the hdmi audio to work. Actually on the ubuntu live cd dmesg I saw problems with hdmi audio there too. Also the live cd recognized the 2nd monitor strangely
[17:31] <onla> but maybe ye
[17:32] <onla> 'xset s off &' <- I wonder what this was about
[17:32] <onla> looking at my memo
[17:33] <testdr> that was shit - a try to disable the x11 screensaver-feature with a background job
[17:33] <onla> ah, it's about putting monitor to sleep
[17:33] <testdr> no - read man xset
[17:34] <testdr> s is for screensaver and its timing
[17:35] <onla> okhay, I boot and try sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree and see if the pci card gets recognized. uname -r was 3.13.0-37-generic (check with my phones log)
[17:35] <onla> though do I need to do some modprobe thing, or reboot the live cd to have it affect
[17:36] <testdr> onla: if you use an usb-stick for the live-cd-version - you can install the live-cd-version on this usb-stick with a permanet-space to store changes for later runs
[17:37] <testdr> onla: you can even download the linux-firmware-nonfree paket to the usb-stick and install the paket direct from this usb-stick
[17:37] <onla> yea I used the startup disk creator and used the default setting of using 1gb in stored in reserved extra space.. for this I thought when I saved the files to the /home/ubuntu/Documents on the liveUSB, I could access them from my lubuntu but no
[17:37] <testdr> onla: but i would suggest to do a little google-query about your wlan-chipset (i have not done this yet)
[17:38] <onla> yea good point I didn't realize I can'ät apt-get from that live cd :p
[17:38] <testdr> onla: no - this permanent space is not available, its kind of encrypted
[17:39] <onla> but on the liveusb I can access my other hard disks, so can I download that file to one of those and run from there?
[17:40] <onla> but yes you are talking about permanent changes thing
[17:40] <onla> I guess I would need to install it again and again if I didn't store permanently
[17:40] <testdr> onla: you guess right
[17:41] <onla> but Ill just try without permanent thing at first :)=
[17:41] <onla> but in that startup app that one option that I used kinda tells me that I have 1gb of permanent storage in the stick
[17:42] <onla> that default.. 1gb of settings saved to extra space
[17:45] <onla> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download
[17:45] <onla> this I guess
[17:48] <onla> after installing it, will the pci card find the driver it was missing automatically, or do I need modprobe
[17:49] <onla> I reboot, my phone is connected here
[17:49] <ianorlin> It should find it automatically on reboot
[17:51] <onle> but i cant reboor because the live cd storage is not permanent on this
[17:53] <onle> so testdr foresee all this that i need the permanent storage thing?
[17:54] <onle> would think there is a way for the pci device to try reload and look again without boot
[18:03] <onle> oh the encrypted data stays. i booted and it works now cool thanks:)
[18:04] <onle> hmm what else i should first try on this live cd before actually installing
[18:04] <testdr> check your hardware -
[18:16] <onlaz> http://pastebin.com/ubVMwuHW This on live cd now from where I am gonna work from - dmesg, cpuinfo, lspci and lsusb.
[18:20] <onlaz> this ubuntu is weird, lubuntu more familiar. Trying to configure my 2nd monitor
[18:21] <onlaz> i installed catalyst control center on lubu. Maybe I find smth from the native
[18:23] <onlaz> it recognizes my panasonic as 65 inch while it is 42. some 1cm from all edges are out of screen
[18:26] <onlaz> what do you think about the line 151 onwards about bios thing_
[18:28] <joern> onlaz: did you disable Overscan in the menu of your Panasonic?
[18:28] <onlaz> nope. it is a plasma tv. Should I try
[18:28] <onlaz> I check if I find something like that
[18:29] <joern> yes, Overscan is a annoying.... "feature"
[18:29] <joern> sometimes it's also called cinema mode or something
[18:30] <onlaz> wow, at least audio from hdmi and from analog output is working nicely and can switch easily
[18:31] <onlaz> quality of the tv screen is somehow bad
[18:36] <onlaz> I cant find that setting. this is really old panasonic viera. Only can change aspect of screen and then some basic other settings
[18:37] <onlaz> but it sounds like that this effect is something like that
[18:39] <onlaz> thuogh on lubuntu I did not have this, oh well
[18:58] <onlaz> fans are so noisy. Im not sure maybe it was the pwmconfig that I managed to make them less noisy. they noisy on this live cd even when 800mhz cpu
[18:58] <onlaz> I wonder if I could underclock my cpu from bios
[18:58] <onlaz> or I can but without knowing about settings
[18:59] <testdr> onlaz: only for shure: you did not use the LUbuntu-Live-ISO-14.04.1? -- You did use the desktop-ubuntu-version? You know there is the a LUbuntu Live-Version too - only if you want to go for a smaller, lighter windowmanager and dont need too much graphic eye-candys.
[19:00] <testdr> onlaz: sorry if i am wrong - should go to "onla"
[19:01] <onlaz> I used the Ubuntu desktop 14.04.1 version.. no im sorry running on multiple nicknames here
[19:01] <onlaz> I am thinking of trying ubuntu instead of lubuntu this time maybe. Maybe this will have less conflicting apps and processes
[19:03] <onlaz> at least dvb-t stick is working out of the box
[19:03] <onlaz> seems like all important hardware working afaik
[19:03] <testdr> onlaz: trying the live-version to check what would be appropriate for your setup/goals/needs is the idea of those versions. It does not take too long.
[19:04] <onlaz> not sure how I test my gamepad. I use my gamepad as a mouse with qjoypad app, but dont bother to install it for live cd now
[19:05] <onlaz> need to tweak that then again. Also need to install playonlinux to get hearthstone to run. There was also some problem with that too, and I might have needed to install something additionally
[19:06] <onlaz> hmhmm then some more tweaks with autokey and gesture recog app using some other apps /) but gladly I have some info on what I did on those
[19:07] <testdr> onlaz: if you need special configured linux-version - you should consider to install a fresh version only to a small part of your harddisk. So its possible to install another one and you can select at boot-time what version to run. For example i have a 32bit version installed to check for old games (32bit-only). But my normal running-version is a 64bit LUbuntu.
[19:08] <onlaz> hmm
[19:11] <onlaz> maybe
[19:12] <onlaz> how about clean install and then install some things to it, and then make a backup of that moment, and then install more, and then come to that moment later when things start to fail_
[19:12] <onlaz> is that what someone could do?
[19:12] <onlaz> like a year later I go back to this backup, which after I would need to do apt-get upgrade and work from there?
[19:13] <onlaz> I dont even know how that would be done
[19:15] <onlaz> at least my internet has been less choppy with this new wlan adapter, or maybe the storm outside has eased, and the 3g is giving me the data I want
[21:08] <Garbonzo> anyone i can ask about volunteering?
[21:11] <edibile> anyone installed lxle 14.04.1 recently?  i can't find the option to change to the xp theme.  in fact, the desktop looks identical to ubuntu 14.04 LTS desktops on other machines.
[21:13] <Unit193> Garbonzo: Have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved ?
[21:13] <Unit193> edibile: LXLE support is in #lxle.
[21:14] <edibile> there is noone there
[21:14] <Garbonzo> unit193: yes. I've made a launchpad profile, signed the ubuntu code of conduct and all that. just wanted to weigh the options on which team to volunteer for...
[21:15] <Unit193> Garbonzo: Ah, cool.  Generally you go with what you like to do the most, or where you think it specifically needs work.  Scratching an itch.
[21:15] <Unit193> edibile: Doesn't change that LXLE isn't supported here, though.
[21:16] <Garbonzo> unit193: makes sense. not much of a coder if at all, so would have to be around the communications or documentation teams...
[21:16] <Unit193> silverlion: ^
[21:17] <silverlion> Unit193: ???
[21:18] <edibile> yeah, was hoping someone was familiar with it
[21:18] <Garbonzo> silverlion, was curious about the docs and comms teams and volunteering for one of 'em
[21:20] <silverlion> Garbonzo : lubuntu comms team is put on hold atm
[21:21] <silverlion> but if there's a question, just shoot
[21:22] <Garbonzo> ok, just read through and it looks quite forward-facing. can i put my name down for when it starts back up?
[21:23] <silverlion> Garbonzo : got a launchpad profile?
[21:23] <silverlion> then do subscribe to http://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms
[21:24] <Garbonzo> a rudimentary one: https://launchpad.net/~olansa
[21:24] <Garbonzo> silverlion: done. thanks!
[21:24] <silverlion> Garbonzo : pls do sign the CoC via your profile
[21:25] <silverlion> then I'll be able to handle your request immediatetly tonight
[21:25] <Garbonzo> silverlion: oh, thought i had!
[21:25] <silverlion> Garbonzo : and we need a wikipage of yours ;)
[21:25] <Garbonzo> silverlion: argh, is there no end to your demands? :-)
[21:25] <Garbonzo> but if you insist, of course...
[21:26] <silverlion> Garbonzo : you're going to work with pros buddy ;)
[21:26] <Garbonzo> then i shall tread carefully...
[21:27] <silverlion> and as I don't know you yet so I'll have to get a feeling on what you are able to do ;)
[21:29] <Garbonzo> absolutely. understood
[21:30] <Garbonzo> are there any projects looming?
[21:31] <silverlion> Garbonzo : now that we have released last week there are none
[21:32] <Garbonzo> fair enough, i'll just watch and learn for now then
[21:33] <silverlion> Garbonzo : tell me something about you so that I get to know you
[21:33] <silverlion> maybe we should go PM for that
[21:33] <Garbonzo> sure.
[21:33] <silverlion> otherwise Unit193 will get mad at me ^^
[21:33] <Garbonzo> heh :-)
[21:33] <Unit193> PM or #lubuntu-offtopic, either works.
[21:33] <silverlion> Garbonzo : I'll be online at least one hr from now on
[21:34] <silverlion> so shoot away my friend
[21:46] <onla> 23:13:26 < onla3> model nameI: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor 23:14:01 < Max_> that's 3.2 GHz, so it shouldn't be harmful to run at that                  frequency. 23:15:02 < Max_> CPUs will theoretically degrade faster when you run them at        higher frequencies, but it should be slow enough not to care               on the one it's actually designed to run at.
[21:46] <onla> in response to testdr or who was it, who was concerned when he saw my cpuinfo and all cores running at 3.2ghz
[21:47] <onla> the problem that it runs at maximum is that the cpufreq-info is stuck at this "current policy: frequency should be within 3.20 GHz and 3.20 GHz"
[21:56] <onla> ok got it by editing manually these files  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq


[12:43] <gnomefreak> crimsun: im looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/74343 do we support that flash plugin (i could have sworn we didnt have flashplugin for 64bit
[02:32] <crimsun> gnomefreak: reading.
[02:33] <gnomefreak> i heard its not good or reliable
[02:35] <gnomefreak> win 12
[02:35] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:36] <crimsun> the bug needs to be pushed upstream; recommend gnash or flashplugin-nonfree instead.
[02:37] <gnomefreak> ok upstream for firefox or for libmozplayer
[02:38] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ apt-cache madison libflash-mozplugin
[02:38] <crimsun> libflash-mozplugin | 0.4.13-9ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[02:38] <crimsun>   libflash | 0.4.13-9ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[02:38] <crimsun> upstream for libflash.
[02:38] <crimsun> it's not a FF bug.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> k
[02:39] <crimsun> thanks :)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> np
[02:58] <gnomefreak> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=libflash its not letting me file a bug report so i can push it upstream. I am gonna remove the bug from ff and assign it to libflash-moxplugin and see if i cant find a way to file a bug on it tomorrow.
[03:05] <gavins> what's not letting you file a bug report?
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> that sounds ridiculous, adding a backtrace to every crash report
[05:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hello all
[05:08] <Admiral_Chicago> working through all these bug reports now. should be fun
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds like a pla
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> plan
[10:11] <gnomefreak> how is everything going today?


[12:12] <lukjad007> Does anyone know if this page is for real? There is a comment that says: "## This page is a default template for documentation on the wiki. To create a new guide on the wiki, read the page WikiGuide."


[08:25] <s-fox> Hello
[08:32] <Bachstelze> hey s-fox
[08:32] <s-fox> Hey Bachstelze , how are you doing?
[08:33] <Bachstelze> very well
[08:33] <s-fox> Good to hear!
[08:33] <Bachstelze> just got back from Tunisia yesterday
[08:33] <Bachstelze> and dnow I must get ready to go to the States :p
[08:33] <s-fox> Nice.
[08:33] <Bachstelze> yourself ?
[08:34] <s-fox> Not bad, just flew in from Tokyo at the weekend. Little jet lagged.
[08:34] <s-fox> Trip to USA work or pleasure?
[08:35] <Bachstelze> a little bit of both, I'll be an exchange student
[08:36] <s-fox> That sounds like a lot of fun.
[08:37] <Bachstelze> yeah, I'm really looking forward to it
[08:37] <s-fox> I would be too. Exciting.
[08:37] <s-fox> When do you fly? This week?
[08:37] <Bachstelze> oh no, in September
[08:38] <Bachstelze> but therer's a lot to do with visa stuff, etc.
[08:38]  * s-fox nods.  I remember getting my visa for USA.  Bit of a pain ;)
[08:39] <s-fox> At least you have plenty of time to get everything packed and sorted
[08:41] <s-fox> Oh by the way, I have noticed your thread in the RC Bachstelze .  Not looked properly yet but will have a look soon.
[08:43] <Bachstelze> okay, great
[08:51] <s-fox> Hey nothingspecial  :)
[09:00] <nothingspecial> s-fox: Hey:)
[09:00] <s-fox> How are you?
[09:00] <nothingspecial> fine thanks, and you?
[09:02] <s-fox> A little tired, jet lagged. Also at work which sucks. ;)
[10:06] <lordievader> Hello
[10:23] <s-fox> O/


[03:30] <jschall> bug 384920 is almost 2 years old... it affects me, and I'm hoping to find a good workaround or to provide someone with the information necessary to fix it. It's causing my wireless to connect at 8M when it should be connecting at 54M. I have a broadcom bcm4313
[03:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 384920 in wireless-tools (Fedora) (and 1 other project) "iwconfig bitrate is not set properly (affects: 4) (heat: 25)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384920
[03:31] <jschall> bug 1 sucks too
[03:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 20 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 614) (heat: 2979)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:35] <drew2121> jschall: looking into it, but i cant promise anything
[03:36] <jschall> drew2121: thanks, willing to offer any information necessary
[03:37] <drew2121> jschall: have you tried the fixes in the description?
[03:38] <jschall> drew2121: look like temporary fixes
[03:38] <drew2121> jschall: that worked?
[03:38] <jschall> drew2121: well, i can set it to 54M
[03:39] <drew2121> iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M fixed is a nother config you may wayt to set
[03:39] <jschall> drew2121: but won't it revert if it reconnects?
[03:39] <jschall> or if the computer is suspended or shut down or whatever?
[03:39] <jschall> i'll try it for sure
[03:40] <drew2121> jschall: yes, thats why you either need to change your /etc/rc.local or run that command
[03:40] <jschall> drew2121: set rate 54m fixed, rebooting to see what it comes up as
[03:41] <drew2121> jschall: see you in a few =)
[03:41] <jschall> drew2121: it's a laptop :)
[03:41] <jschall> drew2121: and this is a desktop
[03:41] <drew2121> jschall: ahh, well let me know what happens
[03:41] <jschall> drew finished booting just now, waiting for it to connect
[03:42] <jschall> drew2121: back to 8M
[03:42] <drew2121> hrm...
[03:43] <jschall> drew2121: adding the lines to rc.local will run it when the machine boots, but not when i change SSIDs or suspend. i'll try it here, though.
[03:44] <jschall> drew2121: restarting again
[03:44] <drew2121> jschall: true, i don't debug wireless but i can still help, and maybe get the status to triaged
[03:45] <jschall> drew2121: came up as 54M
[03:45] <drew2121> jschall: how about after a sleep?
[03:46] <jschall> drew2121: 54M after reconnect
[03:46] <drew2121> jschall: all working now then?
[03:47] <jschall> drew2121: 54M after resume
[03:47] <drew2121> jschall: nice
[03:47] <jschall> drew2121: i guess that workaround fixes it
[03:47] <jschall> drew2121: isn't wifi supposed to automatically scale based on how bad a signal it has though?
[03:48] <drew2121> jschall: i'm not sure... i'm not a wireless expert =P
[03:48] <jschall> drew2121: anyway, now it'd be nice if i could get 300M... that's the next step
[03:48] <jschall> drew2121: apparently 802.11n doesn't work with these drivers
[03:48] <jschall> drew2121: hate broadcom.
[03:48] <drew2121> jschall: what drivers are you using? proprietary?
[03:48] <jschall> drew2121: yeah
[03:49] <drew2121> jschall:  broadcom FTL
[03:49] <jschall> drew2121: i don't really NEED 300M, but the netbook doesn't have gigabit on it so it'd be nice to get more speed than the 100Mbps ethernet can provide.
[03:49] <jschall> drew2121: on data transfers
[03:50] <drew2121> jschall: yeah
[03:51] <jschall> drew2121: also soon i'll likely have 50mbps cable, and i don't trust 54mbps wifi to provide that properly.
[03:51] <jschall> drew2121: i guess i don't need it to on my netbook though.
[03:52] <drew2121> i'm pretty sure ethernet has always been faster for me than wireless
[03:52] <drew2121> jschall: i'm not sure if i have gigabit or not though
[03:53] <jschall> drew2121: i just moved out of my parents' house into an apartment and bought gigabit everything.
[03:53] <drew2121> and im running G
[03:53] <jschall> drew2121: it's nice.
[03:54] <jschall> drew2121: transfer files between computers at hard drive's speed
[03:54] <drew2121> jschall: i'm pretty comfy with the setup i have now, once i get a job i'll probably buy better stuff...
[03:55] <drew2121> jschall: yeah, that would fantastic... i've transfered stuff that took me an hour or two to get across
[08:31] <rusivi> Regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/344588 please reinstate wine (ubuntu) back to triage as this has been worked on upstream. As well, I have & will continue to refrain from toggling the status of triaged bugs.
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 344588 in wine (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Wine doesn't support 5.1 and 7.1 sound (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Low,Incomplete]
[09:52] <rusivi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hddtemp/+bug/160621 Looks like either a Wishlist for more granular options, Won't Fix as it's supposed to check the HDD temp, or Invalid b/c the reporters/those marked affected may be using HDD as swap
[09:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 160621 in sensors-applet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "running hddtemp causes unnecessary disk activity (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 29)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[09:53] <rusivi> on pkg hddtemp (Ubuntu)
[10:56] <tykjepelken> Hello
[10:57] <tykjepelken> Could any one answer a question regarding translation bugs in launchpad?
[11:17] <rork> !anyone tykjepelken
[11:17] <ubot2> rork: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:17] <rork> !anybody
[11:17] <ubot2> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:20] <tykjepelken> Of course
[11:27] <tykjepelken> An error showed up in a file during import of language packs of Firefox, creating a bug report. This bug was a typo in a translation in a file, easily fixed. Do I now need to make a diff or anything describing the changes, or will a simple upload of the fixed file do?
[11:27] <tykjepelken> ... Marking it as a patch?
[13:56] <trinikrono> hello bugsquad
[14:12] <hggdh> good morning, trinikrono
[14:12] <trinikrono> :D
[14:15] <trinikrono> hey  hggdh can look at bug 3882267 i would like to believe it can be set to triaged and status set to low, can you verify or tell me what is needed again?
[14:15] <ubot2> trinikrono: Error: Bug #3882267 not found.
[14:15] <trinikrono> erm * bug 382267
[14:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 382267 in checkgmail (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "memory leak (affects: 6) (heat: 23)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382267
[18:28] <trinikrono> hey can someone please look at bug 382267 i would like it triaged and status set to low
[18:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 382267 in checkgmail (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "memory leak (affects: 6) (heat: 23)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382267
[18:29] <Pici> 4/22
[18:29] <Pici> oops.
[18:31] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: done, thanks for sending that one upstream
[18:31] <trinikrono> charlie-tca: you wonderful human being you
[18:32] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:32] <trinikrono> i have been trying to get it triaged a whilen ow
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Seems that it is still valid, too
[18:32] <trinikrono> charlie-tca: yes it gets really bad after 2 days
[18:33] <trinikrono> charlie-tca: can you stick around while i try to finish my 5 a day
[18:34] <yofel> he's not the only one around so have fun ;)
[18:34] <trinikrono> :D
[18:35] <charlie-tca> There are many of us here. If I don't catch them, some one will. Besides, if you comment and change the status to confirmed, you get credit even if it doesn't get to triaged today
[19:27] <trinikrono> micahg: so just check the package in rmadison
[19:27] <micahg> trinikrono: there's already a WNPP bug
[19:27] <micahg> also, just verify that it says is needed on wiki is present in the description
[19:28] <micahg> and yes, you can check to see if it's in Ubuntu with rmadison
[19:29] <trinikrono> so this bug  is ready to be triaged?
[19:29] <trinikrono> bug 622185
[19:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622185 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] bsnes (affects: 2) (heat: 24)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622185
[19:29] <micahg> trinikrono: no, you didn't link the wnpp bug
[19:30] <trinikrono> i am looking!
[19:30] <trinikrono> lol
[19:30] <trinikrono> ohwow
[19:30] <trinikrono> i found it :d
[19:31] <trinikrono> so thats theimportant step?
[19:31] <trinikrono> the upstream
[19:31] <micahg> trinikrono: nope, just one of them :)
[19:38] <trinikrono> erm
[19:38] <trinikrono> micahg: when to put in the bug reportt
[19:38] <trinikrono> it says bsnes isnt in launchpad
[19:38] <trinikrono> maybe i am just confusing myself
[19:38] <micahg> trinikrono: also affect Debian w/o a package
[19:39] <trinikrono> so affects distro?
[19:39] <micahg> trinikrono: yep
[19:41] <trinikrono> micahg: okie so it is good to go now?
[19:42] <micahg> trinikrono: I don't think it's the same person that filed the ITP and the LP bug
[19:43] <trinikrono> thats true
[19:43] <micahg> trinikrono: done
[19:45] <trinikrono> great :D
[19:45] <trinikrono> i have about 7 i was subscribed too
[19:45] <micahg> trinikrono: thanks
[19:45] <trinikrono> now that i know what to do
[19:53] <trinikrono> micahg: so if i dont findit in debian what should i do?
[19:54] <micahg> trinikrono: make sure the rest of the info is there
[19:55] <trinikrono> the liscense agreement you mean?
[19:55] <micahg> trinikrono: license agreement, URL, anything else worth mentioning
[19:56] <trinikrono> this bug 601778
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601778 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] 3Proxy - tiny free cross-platform proxy server (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601778
[19:56] <trinikrono> it has all of these things in the description
[19:56] <trinikrono> but in the wiki it says to add a rfp ignore that?
[19:57] <micahg> trinikrono: well, I was told they're ignored for the most part
[19:57] <trinikrono> so you are happy that it can be set to triaged?
[19:57] <trinikrono> so make a rfp anyways
[19:57] <trinikrono> or
[19:58] <micahg> I'm happy without it
[19:59] <trinikrono> well once you are happy you will set it too triaged then?
[20:21] <trinikrono> can someone set bug 601778 to triaged for me please
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601778 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] 3Proxy - tiny free cross-platform proxy server (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601778
[20:22] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: packaging bug?  Note 2: Never set these bugs to 'Confirmed', unless you are working with a package maintainer, and have been asked to do so.
[20:23] <trinikrono> its not confirmed
[20:23] <trinikrono> charlie-tca: ?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> triaged means confirmed. Please have the maintainer/developer you are working with on it set it
[20:25] <trinikrono> right before thenotes
[20:25] <trinikrono> it says to set to triaged and put need-packaging tag
[20:25] <trinikrono> and micahg just triaged the other one
[20:26] <trinikrono> bug 622185
[20:26] <charlie-tca> micahg is a developer
[20:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622185 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] bsnes (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622185
[20:26] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, I added a section, where something can be 'Triaged' for a needs packaging bug, it means that all the information needed is present
[20:26] <micahg> confirmed is a problem since that means ready for upload
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Okay. I still don't know enough about them to do it
[20:27] <trinikrono> o.o
[20:27] <yofel> can't we use a tag for 'ready-to-upload' ?
[20:28] <micahg> yofel: no, it's workflow
[20:28] <yofel> :S
[20:29] <trinikrono> micahg: so can i get my bug triaged :D
[20:30] <micahg> trinikrono: I actually asked some people what we should do about the RFPs, if I'm right, we need to update the wiki, if I'm wrong, you need to file one :)
[20:30] <trinikrono> lol
[20:30] <trinikrono> ill go find another packaging bug then
[20:36]  * micahg wants to hug pidgin
[20:42] <charlie-tca> thursday, micahg
[20:42] <charlie-tca> start early, if you want to...
[20:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: yep, just saw itr
[20:42] <micahg> *it
[20:46] <charlie-tca> hm, my email client went nuts! I don't know how bad I spammed the bugday message now.
[20:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: I only got 2 so far
[20:48] <yofel> I got 2 too
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I will keep my fingers crossed; I showed about 8, but some seem to have failed to go out
[20:53]  * charlie-tca trusts micahg fully on packaging bugs, he just doesn't know packaging very good himself.
[21:42] <trinikrono> hey if a reporter wants a package updated
[21:42] <trinikrono> should he file a report against the package he wants updated
[21:43] <trinikrono> or what?
[21:43] <micahg> trinikrono: yes, and tag it upgrade
[21:43] <trinikrono> :D
[21:43] <trinikrono> can you put that in the wiki somewhere
[21:43] <micahg> trinikrono: if the version's already in Debian, a sync can be requested
[21:43] <micahg> !tags | trinikrono
[21:43] <ubot2> trinikrono: We use some common tags for tracking bugs on Launchpad.net See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags for common usage.
[21:44] <trinikrono> i meant the procedure
[21:44] <trinikrono> but if its not in debian
[21:44] <micahg> trinikrono: feel free to add something
[21:46] <trinikrono> did they say if too file in debian?
[21:47] <micahg> trinikrono: I've done it in the past, generally, take a look at the PTS and see if the version's listed, if it is, I don't think you need to file a bug, the problem is, only some DDs are uploading now since Debian's in deep freeze
[21:48] <trinikrono> aha
[21:49] <trinikrono> can you look at bug 699788 i just closed it because it asked for a upgrade of the package and i want to makesure i am doing the right thing
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 699788 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] QMidiArp (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699788
[21:50] <micahg> trinikrono: no, don't close, reassign and make sure it's still needed
[21:51] <trinikrono> ok
[21:52] <trinikrono> but if it is tagged upgrgade should the status be wishlist
[21:52] <trinikrono> or low?
[21:52] <micahg> trinikrono: wishlist unless something is broke
[21:53] <trinikrono> but the status should be triaged or new?
[21:53] <micahg> trinikrono: new
[21:53] <trinikrono> :D
[21:53] <micahg> err, doesn't matter, it's just a request
[21:56] <trinikrono> right
[21:56] <trinikrono> so does it look good now?
[21:56] <yofel> note: wishlist is an importance, not a status
[21:57] <trinikrono> yes
[21:58] <yofel> ok, I just saw a lot of misunderstandings in the past from mixing that
[21:59] <trinikrono> icant set importance anyways :D
[22:01] <trinikrono> so i can leave this bug alone now, i assinged to the package and set it too new and changed the name
[22:01] <trinikrono> and put the upgrade tag
[22:05] <yofel> micahg: that can be set triaged, can it? - or do update requests also fall under developer process bugs?
[22:05] <micahg> yofel: I think developer process and there's no point in marking it triaged
[22:06] <trinikrono> this needs to go in the wiki
[22:06] <trinikrono> :D
[22:10] <trinikrono> http://paste.ubuntu.com/555565/ what do you guys  think
[22:14] <micahg> trinikrono: I would say title should be 'Please update foo to version bar', also idk about other info
[22:15] <trinikrono> lol
[22:15] <trinikrono> maybe this is a motu thing
[22:19]  * micahg is a MOTU :)
[22:19] <trinikrono> lol
[22:20] <trinikrono> what about the other ones
[22:20] <trinikrono> if the package is not in debian
[22:20] <trinikrono> does it need the rtp
[22:21] <micahg> rfp?
[22:21] <trinikrono> yes that
[22:21] <trinikrono> this is all very new to me
[22:22] <micahg> trinikrono: idk, I'll try to get an answer
[22:33] <bencahill> is it ok to discuss a possible bug in here?
[22:35] <yofel> bencahill: fire away
[22:35] <bencahill> yofel: ok, great :) I'm waiting on someone in #u to confirm, but I'm pretty sure it's not something specific to me. see below:
[22:35] <bencahill> so you start with no windows open...then open two (let's say terminal) windows...then click the 'show desktop' button (or press mod4 + d), they both minimize. Then if you restore one window by click on it on the bottom panel, and click 'show desktop' or mod4+d, the other window re-appears. I do not believe this is the intended behavior. I would think that whenever there are any windows open, the show desktop function should show the desktop
[22:36] <bencahill> confirmed by nothingspecial in #u
[22:42] <yofel> hm, I don't use gnome myself so I'm not sure how they want it, I wouldn't expect that behaviour either though
[22:44] <yofel> does anyone know what package that would be?
[22:52] <trinikrono> micahg: check you later!
[22:52] <trinikrono> later guys o/
[22:53] <bencahill> yofel: perhaps gnome-desktop-environment ?
[22:55] <yofel> nope, that's a meta package, I thought gnome-applets for a moment, but that doesn't seem to be it
[22:55] <yofel> someone else will have to help you there
[23:34] <bencahill> yofel: yeah, because it is not just with the applets, but with the mod4 + d shortcut, so whatever function (or whatever) that calls...
[23:35] <yofel> maybe metacity or compiz - I don't know how show desktop works in gnome


[05:11] <tnss> hey
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:05] <guiverc> (belated) morning/arvo lotuspsychje
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> how are you today
[06:08] <guiverc> good thanks, you?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> fine, coffee and slow irc :p
[07:08] <lordievader1> Good morning
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader1
[07:37] <lordievader1> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:52] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> everyone had a nice weekend?
[08:02] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[08:02] <ducasse> good weekend here, quiet as usual
[08:03] <ducasse> back to work today?
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> yep
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> snow has vanished here
[08:09] <ducasse> no such luck here, still tons of it
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast :p
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> work time have a nice day
[08:34] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[08:39] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all going well and got your morning coffee?
[08:39] <lordievader> We ran out of coffee 😭 Had thea today 😁
[08:39] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[08:40]  * JimBuntu is waiting for his tea to finish steeping.
[08:41] <ducasse> good here, lordievader, drinking coke and waking up
[08:43] <guiverc> JimBuntu, you just taught me a word - steeping!
[08:43] <lordievader> 👍
[08:44] <JimBuntu> guiverc, I think it's a word, no guarantees though
[08:44] <guiverc> i did a search & found it online; read the start of a wikipedia article... close enough!
[08:50] <ducasse> the instructions on tea packaging says 'steep for x minutes', so sounds right to me
[08:55] <JimBuntu> The problem with my tea is... I keep finding the bottom of the cup!
[09:00]  * lordievader got another cup
[09:08] <ducasse> you both need bigger cups :)
[09:10] <JimBuntu> ducasse, I admit that I do... and I can/will get a bigger cup the next time I have to go to the kitchen... basically 5 minutes. 2 bags of Twinings Irish breakfast and a larger mug!
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:19] <JimBuntu> Hiya BluesKaj
[10:20] <BluesKaj> hi JimBuntu...insomnia too?
[10:22] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[10:22] <BluesKaj> or am I mistaken about your location ?
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[10:24] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, not exactly, but close. I woke up about 4 hours before my alarm... so, simply an early start to the day. Only about 35 minutes left before I have to start getting work done :(
[10:25] <BluesKaj> ok JimBuntu enjoy the next half hour then :-)
[10:27] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I am trying, last few hours have been fun... just doubled up on my tea bags in prep for the long day ahead. Oh, I love Mondays so much... /s
[10:28] <BluesKaj> heh
[10:37] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, yeah I made a larger than usual amount of coffee this morning
[10:38] <JimBuntu> mmmm, coffee.... I had a few cups yesterday, first time in a while.... that could make the day better!
[11:14] <BluesKaj> oops desktop froze, totally unresponsive
[11:18] <JimBuntu> Well, that't not usual for Ubuntu ;-)
[11:23] <BluesKaj> uhoh, my debian install has big freeze probs ...think I'll take a break from it til i can figure out what's going on
[11:42] <lordievader> Disk issues?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no, think it's the gpu driver...debian seems to have issues with nvidia and dkms
[11:50] <lordievader> Nouveau supports your gpu?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> a regression back to the 340 driver might be in order
[11:51] <lordievader> Oh, never mind.
[11:51] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes nouveau does work ok on debian
[11:53] <lordievader> You could boot with the `text` kernel parameter to see if that works better.
[18:07] <ducasse> leftyfb: i think teddyz is the troll formerly known as Dreaman - a bulgarian troll that got banned more than once
[18:08] <leftyfb> i've dealt with hundreds of trolls over the years. He's nothing special to me
[18:09] <leftyfb> they used to all frequent #ubuntu on EFnet years ago. I've got a bot with lists of host segments and trigger phrases. Held up pretty good for a while
[18:10] <ducasse> this one is just extra annoying as it's nearly impossible to decipher his broken english
[18:11] <leftyfb> Not original by a long shot
[18:11] <leftyfb> I've seen everything :)
[18:13] <leftyfb> where are all the ops?
[18:13] <leftyfb> pretty navplayer is also a troll
[18:13] <ducasse> ikonia was there a short while ago, kicked him
[19:49] <tgm4883> nacc: for that issue, I'd probably have him truncate an old kernel file and then use autoremove
[19:49] <tgm4883> That should probably work
[19:50] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, i'd assume that's what the issue is too
[19:58] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: IRT vadi : " btrfs " file system  : https://pastebin.com/MxgSeFcp .
[20:06] <TJ-> tgm4883: instead of cutting up packaged file just remove initrd.img files - they're HUGE in comparision
[20:07] <tgm4883> TJ-: Wouldn't that cause problems when apt tries to remove the package?
[20:07] <TJ-> tgm4883: no, that's the point, because initrd.img are auto-generated whereas the vmlinuz-* are part of the package
[20:08] <tgm4883> TJ-: ah
[20:08] <TJ-> tgm4883: see my script linked in #ubuntu, written just because we see this issue so much
[20:09] <TJ-> tgm4883: the script identifies the kernels already listed for autoremove, and removes the initrd.img files for those only, which should be enough for apt autoremove to then run even if it causes existing kernel initrd.img files to be regenerated
[20:40] <pauljw> hi everyone
[20:50] <Carll> hey pauljw
[20:51] <pauljw> hi Carll :)