[05:19] <maxolasersquad> I
[05:19] <maxolasersquad> I think I just found a new level of geekness.  IRC through telnet!
[05:23] <maxolasersquad> Hmmm... Having to regularly PONG the server is no fun. :(
[08:25] <crashsystems1> Btw tron legacy was awesome!
[16:12] <PocketBrain> wowee wowwah
[17:01] <itnet7> Hey there PocketBrain ! How are you ?
[17:01] <PocketBrain> Yo
[17:02] <PocketBrain> wow, a real human bean
[17:02] <itnet7> lol
[17:02] <PocketBrain> Ever since the sunset of dialup, it is hard to find a full room with real human beans in it.
[17:02] <PocketBrain> :-P
[17:02] <itnet7> All week I have been stuck in a class basically without connectivity
[17:02] <itnet7> :-)
[17:03] <PocketBrain> heh.  I have the great firewall of Lockheed-Martin to contend with at work; my Dell Streak does a handy job of opening up the world for me.
[17:03] <itnet7> Sweet, do you like the Streak?
[17:04] <itnet7> I have heard some good things about it
[17:04] <PocketBrain> They implemented the new firewall right after China dropped theirs for the 2008 olympics.  I think they got it 2nd hand from China.  Yes, L-M uses a firewall that was too restrictive for a totalitarian communist regime.
[17:04] <itnet7> ROFL PocketBrain !
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> iit1dude how are you?
[17:04] <PocketBrain> It's pretty awesome; I do have a plan phone, but I managed to upgrade to Android 2.2 anyway.
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7:
[17:04] <itnet7> Hey there RoAkSoAx !
[17:05] <PocketBrain> I might try out DJ Steve's most current ROM when I get a chance.
[17:05] <itnet7> cool!
[17:05] <PocketBrain> I think everybody in the world with a Streak has 2.2 EXCEPT the AT&T plan models.
[17:06] <PocketBrain> RoAkSoAx wzup
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> hi PocketBrain
[17:07] <PocketBrain> I wonder how fast they will get Ginger up and running...
[17:07] <itnet7> I would love to take gingerbread for a test spin
[17:08] <itnet7> I have been having problems with my Evo, Sprint is giving me a replacement on Monday
[17:08] <PocketBrain> Aw man, I should record my boot test with Ubuntu on that old Dell laptop...  WinXP takes like 5 minutes to boot from the HDD, UBU 10.10 requires 53 seconds to boot, login, start OO.o word, enter 1 word, save, and shutdown.
[17:09] <PocketBrain> Aw man.  Buddy at work just got his Evo.  Has a couple of issues.  Their 4G is actually WiMax, ya know?
[17:09] <PocketBrain> (of course, 10.10 is booting from an old SSD)
[17:10] <itnet7> Yeah I heard that about the wimax
[17:11] <itnet7> Awesome on the boot time btw
[17:12] <PocketBrain> Zalright, it's still faster than 3G.
[17:13] <PocketBrain> I should acquire another 5.2krpm hard drive for the laptop and do a real boot comparison between the two.  Ever since 10.4, though, Ubuntu has supported SSDs, right?
[17:13] <itnet7> yes
[17:14] <itnet7> I want to check out the viewsonic tablet!
[17:14] <PocketBrain> It really shows.
[17:15] <PocketBrain> Android tablets are the next big thing; I think it's going to kill Chrome OS.
[17:16] <PocketBrain> Google will most likely fork Android to run on such devices, as they are being used as such already, and that will leave very little market for Chrome devices.
[17:21] <PocketBrain> #1 benefit of Android 2.2:  tethering.  WiFi, BlueToot, or USB.  I get a little bit moist thinking about it.
[17:21] <itnet7> PocketBrain: lol!!
[17:24] <PocketBrain> I like that USB tethering just worked when I tested it on a laptop booted to Fedora 14 at work.
[17:25] <PocketBrain> USB thumb drive OS no less.
[17:28] <itnet7> Yeah, I love the fact that the ACL's actually work without killing the connection now!!
[17:28] <itnet7> for Wifi Tether
[17:33] <PocketBrain> Now I just have to become a WINE pro.  :-)  There are a few crucial games that are tethering me to a MS OS.
[17:36] <PocketBrain> wotup gidim
[17:36] <gidim> Whoa, people! Yay!
[17:37] <PocketBrain> heh, I said the same thing.
[17:37] <gidim> It's been so quiet in here when I've been around lately.
[17:37] <itnet7> PocketBrain: I just recently bought the left4dead 2 game from steam, just have to tweak it a bit to get better fps
[17:37] <PocketBrain> You running in WINE?
[17:37] <itnet7> yup
[17:37] <PocketBrain> (itnet7)
[17:37] <itnet7> using the ppa
[17:37] <PocketBrain> rawk.   I wonder how StarCraft 2 would fare.
[17:38] <PocketBrain> I ran SC1 on an older Ubuntu/PC/WINE and it worked, but the sound was a little laggy.
[17:38] <itnet7> they had a deal at steam where you could buy l4d 2 for 5 bucks
[17:38] <PocketBrain> I need to get my brother some steampowered credits so he doesn't have to use my account to play Portal.
[17:38] <itnet7> or you could buy a copy for you and 3 of your friends for 14.99
[17:39] <itnet7> I haven't purchaseed Starcraft 2 yet, not sure how well they say it runs on wine
[17:39] <itnet7> hey there gidim !
[17:39] <itnet7> sorry..
[17:39] <itnet7> This month has been crazy, haven't been able to get in the channel as often as I'd like
[17:39] <gidim> I have StarCraft 2.
[17:39] <PocketBrain> OOooooooo.  I have a physical copy of L4D2 but haven't installed it yet.  Hey, when you buy that copy and 3 for your friends, do you have to decide who gets it right away?
[17:39] <gidim> I got it running in Wine, but never got to play it. My system is low on the reqs end.
[17:39] <itnet7> PocketBrain: no
[17:40] <itnet7> You get a place in your steam menu where you can send them out whenever
[17:40] <PocketBrain> Okay.  I have a GeForce GTX 470 card, so I'm good on the hardware side.
[17:41] <itnet7> Wow, the sale is over
[17:41] <itnet7> I was trying to get you the link
[17:42] <PocketBrain> aw durn
[17:42] <itnet7> http://store.steampowered.com/app/550/ back up to 59.99 for four copies
[17:42] <itnet7> 19.99 for one
[17:42] <gidim> Someday, when I get my EverQuest 1 working on Ubuntu... I will be content. :3
[17:42] <PocketBrain> I gotta grab by bro the Orange Box, anyway, when it is on sale next.
[17:43] <itnet7> I learned about the deal checking deals.woot.com
[17:43] <PocketBrain> Long-time wooter myself.  Black box.
[17:44] <PocketBrain> Also scan slickdeals.net from time to time.
[17:44] <itnet7> gidim: I thought Ever Quest did play on wine
[17:44] <itnet7> not sure how well though
[17:44] <itnet7> Nice PocketBrain !
[17:44] <gidim> It does to a point, but I never seem to have the ideal wine version that plays it perfectly.
[17:44] <itnet7> You should use the one from the ppa and use wine prefixes
[17:45] <itnet7> sometimes replacing the .dll's help too
[17:45] <PocketBrain> I wonder if I can get Battlezone and Battlezone 2 to play on WINE?  Awesome game, but doesn't run on the NT windows, so I'm hosed from XP on.
[17:45] <gidim> I would love to just take a couple years out of my life, access their source and re-code it to run native. They're obviously never going to. :3
[17:45] <itnet7> :-)
[17:46] <PocketBrain> Maybe you could find some haxx0rz in "Anonymous" to get the source for you... give them something to do other than economic terrorism.
[17:46] <itnet7> PocketBrain: you may be able to play it using Dosbox
[17:46] <gidim> Indeed. Nothing against those EQemu folks, but I wanna pay my $15/mo and play on the official servers, where I know people.
[17:47] <gidim> Well, $45/mo. I have three accounts.
[17:47] <itnet7> Understandable
[17:48] <PocketBrain> Nice, BZ2 does indeed run on WINE, with gold rating.  http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=8851&iTestingId=48153
[17:49] <PocketBrain> dang, you're hardcore.  I don't have any subscription gaming accounts; I tend to pay the up-front costs and game with "free" play.
[17:49] <PocketBrain> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/
[17:49] <PocketBrain> Afraid of losing myself to the horde, so to speak.
[17:52] <PocketBrain> howdy enjalot
[18:13] <gidim> Phew, didn't miss much. I was worried. Chris Rock is on Comedy Central. :3
[18:13] <PocketBrain> oooo
[18:14] <PocketBrain> watching Portal 2 trailers on steam
[18:18] <itnet7> I don't play anything with a monthly fee
[18:21] <gidim> I used to be the same way. When EverQuest came out, I was on Diablo 2 saying, "Haha, suckers! Go ahead, pay a monthly fee, I got non-stop Diablo for free!"
[18:22] <gidim> Then, I got a credit card in college, free first month, I tried it... and my social life as I knew it was over, as was my bank account.
[18:22] <PocketBrain> Yeah, I can see a pay-for-play service being worth it, but I couldn't afford it after I got fired for showing up late for work after a weekend of no sleep.  ;-)
[18:24] <itnet7> :-) I do purchase practically all of the native games that have been release by indies
[18:25] <itnet7> http://www.humblebundle.com/
[18:25] <itnet7> I am about to get these soon I believe
[18:25] <PocketBrain> ooooo
[18:28] <PocketBrain> Nifty.  All compatible with Linux.
[18:29] <itnet7> yup
[18:31] <itnet7> I played the deme of some of them, really fun. I like the whole concept of them having you name the price too
[18:31] <PocketBrain> I might get my brother/kids this.  They have both PC and MAC.
[18:31] <itnet7> Not because I'm cheap, but it shows they aren't about the money
[18:31] <itnet7> at least not all about the money
[18:35] <gidim> I think I really need to start playing MineCraft.
[18:36] <PocketBrain> heh do you?
[18:36] <gidim> I think I do, yes. The youtube videos look so fun.
[18:36] <PocketBrain> It may take over.
[18:38] <PocketBrain> Can you play Cortex Command in windowed mode?  Fullscreen on the video makes me a tad queazy.
[18:40] <PocketBrain> Nice, and the bundle is giftable.
[18:41] <PocketBrain> Hmmm.... it has a piegraph of revenue by platform.  Do I have to choose platform for the license?
[18:43] <PocketBrain> Howdy Michelle
[18:46] <MichelleQ> hi PocketBrain
[18:46] <gidim> Alright, I'll be back later, but now I have to get ready to go to work... at Barnes & Noble! :D :D :D
[18:46] <itnet7> PocketBrain: Not sure, haven't bought them yet
[18:46] <PocketBrain> so what're you up to on this fine, rainy saturday?
[18:47] <gidim> I love my new job. :3
[18:47] <PocketBrain> Later, Gidim.
[18:47] <itnet7> gidim: sweet talk with you soon
[18:48] <MichelleQ> I'm working on the house, trying to convince my knee to not scream at me.
[18:48] <MichelleQ> itnet7: y'all still headed over today?
[18:49] <itnet7> MichelleQ: we wanted to, but Hannya isn't getting off of work for until around 5
[18:49] <itnet7> Are you still having it?
[18:50] <itnet7> MichelleQ: is it raining badly in Lakeland? It's pouring here
[18:51] <PocketBrain> It was gushing down here in WPB earlier, but it's just drizzle at best now.
[18:52] <MichelleQ> itnet7: we're going til about 9.  Up to you guys if you want to come.
[18:52] <MichelleQ> it's cleared up and is nice and sunny here - cooled off nicely.
[18:53] <itnet7> Let me see what she says when she gets here... I will let you know as soon as I can.
[18:58] <MichelleQ> no worries.  If you can, come.  It's a drop-in-and-out sort of thing, so don't stress
[19:22] <itnet7> bbl


[00:03] <valorie> I've heard soooo many complaints about the wiki
[00:04] <valorie> but, successfully saved this time!
[00:04] <althara> Yay
[00:05] <valorie> we could actually have an April one too: planning for and the first day of lfnw
[00:05] <valorie> :-)
[00:14] <althara> yeah
[00:14] <althara> I'll add that one in too
[00:16] <althara> It's updating now
[00:20] <valorie> \0/
[00:20] <valorie> i so love lfnw
[00:20] <valorie> but I now have a cold
[00:20] <valorie> and feel horrible
[00:20] <valorie> so I guess there was a price to pay
[00:21] <valorie> but the boost to enthusiasm is huge
[00:27] <althara> yeah lfnw is always fun
[00:27] <althara> next year will be my fifth year :0
[00:28] <althara> I just saw the best letter from a lawyer but I'm pretty sure I can't talk about it
[00:28] <althara> it's hilarious in it's ridiculosity
[00:29]  * seattlegaucho hates lawyers as much as he hates health care ... but both are necessary
[00:30] <althara> I just want to post a certain thing all over the internet now to see if I'd get a similarly ridiculous letter.
[00:34] <valorie> right, this is a logged channel
[00:35] <althara> that's why I'm not saying anything :)
[00:47] <valorie> the april report still isn't showing up in the TeamReports page
[00:49] <althara> yeah
[00:49] <althara> I've noticed those take a while
[00:51] <seattlegaucho> ... see y'all Monday on IRC
[00:52] <valorie> have a nice mother's day, althara!
[00:52] <althara> Thanks
[00:52] <althara> You too valorie
[00:54] <valorie> thanks
[00:54] <valorie> :-)


[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:09] <santa_> RikMills: attica and knewstuff fixes available in _impish_staging branches, it would be nice to get them uploaded to impish if possible
[15:09] <santa_> once that's done, I will proceed with fw 5.87 for impish
[15:10] <RikMills> santa_: I'll do that in a bit :)
[15:10] <santa_> in the KA front: upstream signatures support almost completed
[15:10] <RikMills> kool
[16:03] <RikMills> uploaded
[16:06] <santa_> nice
[16:06] <santa_> do you expect them to get approved soon, or ...
[16:10] <RikMills> probably 'or' :P
[16:10] <santa_> ok, I will try to handle the best I can
[16:11] <santa_> the upstream sig support is now completed and disabled by default in upstream-sigs branch
[16:12] <RikMills> the person doing approvals last week was canonical and in the US, so it could need to wait until their working hrs
[16:12] <santa_> ok, so I'm going to build now fw 5.87 in fw-5.87 branches with the upstream sigs disabled
[16:12] <RikMills> ack
[16:13] <santa_> this should be enough to confirm that merging the upstream-sigs branch into master will do no harm
[16:13] <santa_> also this might catch KA bugs in master if any :)


[12:33] <teward> this may be an odd question but is there a way to override the dh commands that package building runs, so that it doesn't run `make install`?  Or do I just have to remove the 'install' section of the makefile?
[12:51] <geser> you can override the dh_commands targets in debian/rules
[13:45] <rbasak> teward: maybe you want an empty override_dh_auto_install target?
[13:45] <rbasak> Then dh won't run "make install".


[01:03] <belkinsa> jrgifford, scratch that thought out.
[01:03] <belkinsa> Both of them.
[12:09] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[13:48] <belkinsa> Morning.
[15:02] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[15:02] <belkinsa> Morning.
[15:02] <starrats> how are you Svetlana
[15:03] <belkinsa> I'm fine but stuck at home since UC is closed today.
[15:04] <starrats> ah okay
[23:39]  * belkinsa sees a Visigoth.
[23:40] <belkinsa> I want to catch it.
[23:40] <belkinsa> :)


[08:57] <d0ra3m0n> Hello everyone
[11:54] <Jeff16> I have 2 partitions: large Win 10 that I want to replace and small recovery to Vista
[11:55] <Jeff16> On install Lubuntu (I booted off USB drive) I can't replace the Win10 partition only the recovery Vista
[11:56] <Jeff16> any helpers?
[11:57] <guiverc> What release of Lubuntu, and I don't understand what you're trying to do; you primarily focus on Windows not Lubuntu
[11:58] <Jeff16> Lubuntu 20.04 booted from USB, now trying to overwrite my Win10 cause its too demanding for hardware
[11:59] <Jeff16> Vista was original O/S so I'm keeping recovery partition just in case
[11:59] <guiverc> did you disable fastboot/hibernate etc on the windows 10; Lubuntu will ignore the unclean partitions (fastboot & hibernate make file-systems unclean as they keep some parts of the fs in a fastboot/recovery file which is faster to load)
[12:01] <Jeff16> how do I do that? Since I booted from USB would unclean fie systems be there still?
[12:02] <guiverc> you need to boot windows 10 to disable it's fastboot & hibernate functions.. if they're enabled; the fs is unclean as a 'clean' filesystem is slower to boot
[12:03] <guiverc> I'm no expert in windows 10 sorry; but that's what I'd guess your issue is.. the fastboot is a problem if things go wrong (due unclean-fs) & a problem for other OSes due to unclean-fs...
[12:03] <Jeff16> okay,reading about it. So I have to go back, boot from Win 10, then do this: [Power & sleep settings] in the Windows search bar①, and then click [Open]②. Click [Additional power settings]③. Click [Choose what the power button does]④. If the fast startup option is grayed out in Shutdown settings, please click [Change settings that are
[12:03] <Jeff16> currently unavailable]⑤
[12:04] <Jeff16> I'll try.Thanks guiverc. Just like MS to put a dirty file system so you can't wipe their partition
[12:04] <Jeff16> bye
[18:12] <Stef> Hello, I tried to register to Lubuntu forum but I never ever received the confirmation email. I even tried from a different browser. I have a gmail account, could it be the issue?


[07:26] <troy_s> kwwii: You have that list?
[11:16] <kwwii> troy_s: nope, a couple of people have asked for more time
[11:16] <kwwii> so it will be out in a couple of days
[12:39] <lapo> hi
[12:44] <kwwii> hi lassegul
[12:44] <kwwii> erm
[12:44] <kwwii> lapo:
[12:45] <kwwii> boah, today is not my day
[12:53] <lassegul> Hi kwwii and lapo
[12:53] <lassegul> :^)
[02:56] <Skiessi> hi
[03:13] <lassegul> hi
[03:53] <titanix88> kwwii kwwii_ howdy?
[04:41] <titanix88> hello kenneth here?
[04:42] <terlmann> I dunno man
[04:43] <terlmann> dont seem like it
[04:44] <titanix88> i am trying to contact kenneth wimer.
[04:44] <terlmann> well try the floo network
[04:44] <titanix88> heard he wants to talk abt wiredubuntu.
[04:44] <terlmann> otherwise look up his profile on the ubuntu wiki for an email adress
[04:45] <terlmann> wiredubuntu is a good peice man
[04:45] <terlmann> could be richer... IE the logo floating on water
[04:45] <terlmann> or in air
[04:45] <terlmann> but its sweet man
[04:45] <terlmann> then again I think the official image for ubuntu-studio is sweet too
[04:46] <terlmann> so I dont really know what that is
[04:46] <andreasn> titanix88: ping kwwii, that's kenneth
[04:47] <titanix88> kwwii wanna talk with u.
[04:48] <kwwii> titanix88: yo, wassup
[04:49] <titanix88> andresn ping means getting attention,right?
[04:49] <titanix88> kwwii: u kenneth?
[04:50] <kwwii> titanix88: yepp
[04:51] <titanix88>  u wanted high res wiredubuntu.they are in the attachments from begining.
[04:52] <kwwii> titanix88: I showed your pic to the big boss and here was his response:
[04:52] <kwwii> Also,
[04:52] <kwwii> the wired-ubuntu image is... interesting, especially if it was centered,
[04:52] <kwwii> not scaled, on a black background and with a slightly different surface
[04:52] <kwwii> texture in the glow area. Perhaps not for now, but for mobile / next-gen
[04:52] <kwwii> look?
[04:52] <kwwii> ouch. that came out poorly
[04:53] <kwwii> so.... titanix88 are you interested on working on some variants of it
[04:53] <terlmann> yea
[04:53] <terlmann> it would be perfect for a cell phone
[04:53] <terlmann> mobile ubuntu...
[04:53] <terlmann> LoL
[04:55] <kwwii> terlmann: the project isn't really aimed at cell phones, rather at internet tablets
[04:55] <kwwii> terlmann: have you seen any of the work we have done on it?
[04:55] <titanix88> damn i agree. but i can give u the .blend if someone else wants it.
[04:55] <terlmann> kwwii
[04:55] <terlmann> nope
[04:55] <terlmann> I am part of the desktop crowd
[04:55] <kwwii> titanix88: actually, I am not a blender expert...think you could work on it a bit
[04:56] <kwwii> ?
[04:56] <terlmann> I would like the blend
[04:56] <kwwii> terlmann: you should take a look, it is pretty interesting as it is a completely new interface/desktop idea
[04:56] <titanix88> how much time do i have?
[04:56] <kwwii> titanix88: plenty of time
[04:56] <kwwii> no hurries on this
[04:56] <terlmann> kwwii : please dont tell me its a varient on the old thin-client idea
[04:57] <kwwii> terlmann: nope, it is for devices similar to nokias n800
[04:57] <terlmann> mhm
[04:57] <terlmann> like tablet pc
[04:57] <kwwii> terlmann: the new devices run between 5 and 7 inch screens with a res of around 1280x600
[04:57] <kwwii> exactly
[04:58] <terlmann> your a major player at canononical >?
[04:58] <kwwii> terlmann: well, I work for canonical, yes
[04:58] <titanix88> terlmann: thnx.give me ur address. i might be busy for couple of weeks.
[04:58] <terlmann> can you help me learn how to customize my own ubuntu derivitive ?
[04:58] <terlmann> titanix : terlmann at yahoo dot com
[04:58] <kwwii> terlmann: well, I am just the art guy ;-)
[04:58] <terlmann> hmm
[04:59] <terlmann> what did you think of the branded lion ?
[04:59] <kwwii> I like it a lot
[05:00] <kwwii> I honestly doubt it will make it as default but I think we should definitely include it
[05:00] <kwwii> for this release we want to stick to something very close to the designs we have had in the past
[05:01] <terlmann> I see
[05:01] <terlmann> kwwii : I am going to make a varient on ubuntu
[05:01] <titanix88> so u want the wired ubuntu centered?but don't u want ubuntu logo(not edubuntu)?
[05:01] <terlmann> Im going to call it lubuntu
[05:01] <terlmann> for legacy
[05:02] <terlmann> just english locals
[05:02] <terlmann> and only x86 chipset
[05:02] <terlmann> for i686 and older
[05:02] <nothlit> titanix88: is that a composite glow on the wires?
[05:02] <terlmann> full-featured but reduces
[05:02] <terlmann> reduced
[05:04] <kwwii> titanix88: yepp, we would want the ubuntu logo
[05:04] <titanix88> nothlit: no glow. just full ref. same colored diff and specu.want the .blend?
[05:04] <kwwii> terlmann: cool, sounds like a lot of work
[05:05] <nothlit> sure
[05:05] <kwwii> the comments from sabdfl should be the basis of the work forward on this
[05:06] <kwwii> the basis, but not the end-all rules we *have* to follow
[05:06] <titanix88> i think i will post the .blend in the wiki attachments. btw my launchpad nick"Titon4"
[05:07] <terlmann> well kwii
[05:07] <terlmann> I dont know how
[05:07] <terlmann> at all
[05:07] <kwwii> titanix88: cool, I was trying to figure that out the other day ;-)
[05:07] <kwwii> luckily Rich helped me find you
[05:08] <kwwii> terlmann: hrm, not sure how realistic it is to create a whole distri if you have no idea how (sorry, just being honest)
[05:08] <kwwii> terlmann: the best place to start would be to talk to ubuntu-devs
[05:08] <kwwii> I could give you good pointers on the artwork but not much else
[05:09] <nothlit> terlmann: what seperates your project from the fluxbuntu and xubuntu projects? are you going to continue to use gnome?
[05:11] <titanix88> goodbye guys. thnx for appretiating my first try.i will post the .blend soon. one more thing_ u want the logo without perspective?
[05:13] <kwwii> titanix88: not necessarily, but perhaps a bit less perspective would be good
[05:14] <kwwii> too late :-(
[05:14] <Skiessi> http://skiessi.googlepages.com/Kuvakaappaus.jpg :D I think this looks good
[05:16] <terlmann> nothlit : yea
[05:16] <terlmann> its not going to be a minima
[05:16] <terlmann> minimal
[05:16] <terlmann> only all the gunk will be removes
[05:16] <terlmann> removed
[05:16] <terlmann> bluetooth
[05:16] <terlmann> firewire
[05:16] <kwwii> Skiessi: pretty good idea
[05:16] <terlmann> anything my system and others like it cannot use
[05:16] <terlmann> no wireless
[05:26] <joejaxx> sounds more like a personal project :P
[05:27] <kwwii> terlmann: just build a gentoo system :D
[05:28] <terlmann> kwwii
[05:28] <terlmann> I like my ubuntu
[05:52] <lassegul> is the wiki down?


[13:04] <donghao> hi
[13:39] <alex_mayorga> Hello, can somebody help me triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/727365
[13:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727365 in openjdk-6 "icedtea-plugin crashes on firefox-4.0 and chromium" [Undecided,New]


[02:03] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:06] <brousch> Yes
[02:06] <brousch> My 2nd 3D printer is working. This one is a resin printer
[02:12] <cmaloney> https://www.redpah.com/product/1514/the-bird-cookie-cutter
[02:13] <cmaloney> Print that for me pls. ;)
[02:14] <brousch> I don't have food-grade filament
[02:14] <cmaloney> http://3dmag.org/en/market/item/1223/ <- or this
[02:14] <brousch> I will print the gnome
[02:14] <cmaloney> ;)
[02:16] <cmaloney> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:320529/
[02:17] <cmaloney> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:531178
[02:22] <locodir-user> I have a question can some one here help me?
[02:23] <brousch> Maybe!
[02:24] <brousch> cmaloney: I think the joke with the gnome is that the outstretched arm will be a bastard to print well
[02:24] <brousch> I can print it about 8" tall in 13 hours
[02:25] <brousch> I need a better color though. All I have is white and green
[02:26] <cmaloney> The zx80 is white
[02:29] <brousch> How big is that supposed to be?
[02:29] <brousch> Seems tiny
[02:29] <cmaloney> 174 x 216 x 36 mm
[02:29] <cmaloney> http://www.retroisle.com/sinclair/zx80/general.php
[02:31] <cmaloney> I've only held one in my hot little hands. Wasn't able to get my friend to part with it.
[02:31] <cmaloney> I don't think it was his
[02:33] <cmaloney> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Timex-Sinclair-1000-ZX80-/181840958447?hash=item2a5690d3ef
[03:12] <brousch> Hm, that model is like 1/2 that size
[03:13] <brousch> And it's basically square
[03:15] <brousch> I can print it, but it seems like the dimensions are quite far off
[03:20] <brousch> I found better models, but they are too big for my build plate. I can only do 180x180
[03:22] <cmaloney> That's OK. I was being mostly a smart-assl. :)
[03:30] <brousch> It's really no problem to print it if the model fits. Some day I'll get around to splitting models into pieces
[03:31] <brousch> I got the good models from here. You could order one from shapeways http://www.sinclairzxworld.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1508
[11:21] <cmaloney> brousch: Heh.
[11:21] <cmaloney> It was just a lark more than anything.
[11:22] <cmaloney> Much like "friend with pickup truck = moving"
[11:25] <rick_h_> morning
[11:25] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:26] <cmaloney> Whassup in the land of rick_h_ ?
[16:20] <brousch> Oooh, I missed a call from someone at Canonical
[16:24] <rick_h_> crepes for lunch and listening  to seveneves for lunch break...it:s a good life
[16:24] <rick_h_> brousch: cool
[16:37] <cmaloney> neat
[16:39] <brousch> Bah, phone tech support. I can't do that due to a slight hearing problem and hating phones
[16:40] <cmaloney> I think phones are great
[16:40] <cmaloney> said nobody in tech, ever
[16:42] <greg-g> due, the technology that powered telephones was really awesome
[16:42] <greg-g> dude*
[16:42] <greg-g> using them? never
[16:43] <cmaloney> Oh, from a tech standpoint I think Phones are amazing
[16:43] <cmaloney> launching human voices across the globe at the speed of thought?  Bwahahahahaha
[16:44] <greg-g> know what else was awesome to see used and maintained in-person? A babbage machine
[16:44] <greg-g> heh
[16:45] <cmaloney> I've seen videos. I'd love to see one in person
[16:45] <cmaloney> behind sound-proof glass
[16:45] <cmaloney> With ear-plugs
[16:45] <greg-g> there's one that is demonstrated every Sat in Mountain View (at the Computer History Museum)


[00:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: can you give me a list of the current devs working in Kubuntu>
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> upgrading to 15.04 network manager is asking for all new passwords for wifi, they are all still in my wallet.
[05:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[06:25] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've changed a few things on the feature page http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-admin/revision.php?from=1859&to=1870
[07:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[10:50]  * yofel wonders why org.kde.kglobalaccel[4153] is logging to the system journal...
[10:51] <sitter> yofel: sddm's maybe?
[10:53] <yofel> dunno, more like the session, because every time I pull down yakuake I get
[10:53] <yofel> Mar 17 11:53:23 pq-edge org.kde.kglobalaccel[4153]: Got XKeyPress event
[10:53] <yofel> Mar 17 11:53:23 pq-edge org.kde.kglobalaccel[4153]: "F12" = "toggle-window-state"
[10:54] <sitter> nobody knows in that case
[10:54] <sitter> unless all dbus services are logged to the journal
[10:56] <yofel> could be..
[11:19] <Riddell> mparillo: you endorced me as knowing git! git still scares me!
[11:24] <kfunk> yofel: isn't that .xsession-errors being redirect to systemd's user journal?
[11:24] <kfunk> I've seen the same message in journalctl, btw
[11:26] <sitter> Riddell: are you going to fix ci builds today?
[11:29] <Riddell> sitter: yes can do, what needs done?
[11:30] <sitter> merges need fixing first and foremost
[11:30] <sitter> and then you get to tell me whether I should waste launchpad build cycles by doing blanket rebuilds or you want to click buttons manually :P
[11:30] <Riddell> sitter: http://kci.pangea.pub/view/merge%20FIX/ ?
[11:30] <sitter> yep
[11:30]  * Riddell spots http://blog.qt.io/blog/2015/03/17/qt-5-5-alpha-available/
[11:31] <sitter> Riddell: has kf5.8 landed in archive yet?
[11:31] <sitter> guess that's a no
[11:32] <Riddell> no it hasn't, that's on my todo list for today too
[11:32] <sitter> mh
[11:32] <sitter> Riddell: make sure to pause integration before you start pushing release changelogs
[11:32] <mparillo> Riddell: I have seen  you share git commands in this channel. Knowing enough to share counts for me.
[11:33] <sitter> Riddell: and don't NOCI them. then the majority of breakage from your bad push on friday should autoresolve
[11:34] <sitter> which leaves the problem that CI has a framework with 4 epoch that you lowered for the release and I have no idea how to handle that
[11:35] <Riddell> sitter: just delete it from the PPAs no?
[11:35] <sitter> that does nothing for the people using the PPA
[11:36] <Riddell> sucks to be them? e-mail kubuntu-devel and whatnot
[11:42] <yofel> kfunk: .xsession-errors is still there and being used, so I would rather agree with sitter that it's just dbus
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:04] <Mirv> Riddell: Qt 5.4.1 might be good for landing in a couple of hours, and if that's the case then it would be nice to be able to migrat that to release pocket before kf5.8
[12:05] <Mirv> I should know more in little over 3 hours
[12:06] <Riddell> Mirv: ack
[12:07] <Riddell> Mirv: I take it there's no packages of QtSpeech yet? knotifications is asking for it but I don't think it is released
[12:09] <Mirv> Riddell: no, I don't think anyone has a git snapshot packaged
[12:35] <Riddell> sgclark: libkdeedu is in, that's the last part of 14.12.3 I think, muchos gracis for doing all that :)
[12:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ty
[12:38] <Riddell> hmm, if I upgrade libgit I can move gitg to -proposed and let it be someone else's problem
[12:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://twitter.com/online_fr/status/577803802763534336
[12:55] <Riddell> sitter: remind me again how to turn off jenkins merging?
[12:57] <Riddell> hola rdieter, happy birthday
[12:57] <rdieter> Riddell: thanks
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Feliz Cumplaños!
[12:58] <shadeslayer> possibly spelt that wrong
[12:58] <rdieter> close enough :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> rdieter: Feliz Cumpleaños!
[12:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:59] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/search/?q=pause
[12:59] <sitter> kubotu: order birthday package for rdieter
[12:59]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[12:59]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to rdieter and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[12:59] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday rdieter, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[12:59] <kubotu> Happy Birthday rdieter :D
[12:59] <kubotu> To your health!
[12:59] <sitter> mhhh, beer
[14:08] <sitter> Riddell: I think your script crapped out
[14:18] <Riddell> sitter: which script?
[14:20] <sitter> Riddell: upload/push script
[14:21] <sitter> Riddell: 118 jobs queued for the past hour, no change
[14:21] <sitter> in case it is finished though: at least kpeople seems to be missing
[14:36] <Riddell> sitter: I'm still running it
[14:36] <Riddell> Mirv: any news on whether I can upload?
[14:50] <Mirv> Riddell: the meeting starts in 10mins. if ack, I'll publish 5.4.1, if not I'll ping you too
[15:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: new slideshow looking nice
[15:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think it could benefit from some screenshots maybe and the slide transition is kinae slow
[15:46] <sitter> Riddell: don't forget to unpause integration when you are done pushing
[15:46]  * sitter out
[15:47] <Riddell> but sddm still doesn't start on virtualbox :(
[15:48] <yofel> live or installed?
[15:49] <Riddell> live
[15:50] <Mirv> Riddell: ok we're moving forward with publishing Qt 5.4.1 now to archives
[15:56] <Riddell> Mirv: ooh exciting
[15:57] <Riddell> Mirv: where do these meetings happen? somewhere in secret?
[15:58] <Mirv> Riddell: well most of the landings related action is #ubuntu-ci-eng where we've talked Qt 5.4.1 (+ on the ubuntu-phone mailing list), but this last "can we land" was a hangouts call I think mostly within QA people (I wasn't there myself).
[16:01] <Mirv> Riddell: normally there wouldn't be this much QA but currently the vivid-rtm distro hasn't yet forked from normal vivid, and they're trying do some properly QA:d images.
[16:02] <Mirv> there will be another https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/ soonish so that non-SRU landings to there can be made while vivid gets into final freezes + gets released
[16:33] <Riddell> Mirv: let me know when I can start uploading :)
[16:47] <Riddell> hmm, we already have code for sddm autologin,I wonder why it's not working on the live cds
[17:39] <Mirv> Riddell: unfortunately at current pace it'd probably be around midnight in European timezones because of some publishing issues
[17:39]  * avras is back
[17:40]  * avras and analysing new feature tour
[17:42] <avras> ovidiu-florin, Quintasan, is it better to dump tips and concerns here, or send it to the mailing list?
[17:43] <Quintasan> send it to the mailing list
[17:56] <debfx> ScottK: what do you think about dropping kubuntu_02_enable_message_indicator.diff from quassel?
[17:56] <debfx> since you know we don't have a message indicator anymore
[18:38] <ahoneybun> Riddell: screenshots?
[20:28] <Mirv> ScottK: qtwayland now in new queue
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: none of the images I need are in that archive you gave me.
[21:03]  * mitya57 notices Qt 5.4.1 landing - great work Mirv!
[23:02] <ahoneybun> Howdy
[23:27] <KDDA> has anyone got testdisk working in vivid?


[00:58] <RedSingularity> hggdh jibel yofel_ micahg :  Thanks guys!  Great to be a part of the team and a awesome community!!  :)
[00:59] <charlie-tca> congrats, RedSingularity
[01:00] <hggdh> heh
[01:00] <RedSingularity> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[01:58] <RedSingularity> Anyone have experience with the gnome-control-center?  Here is a bug I was working a while back.  It is filed against the update-manager, but gnome-control-center may be more appropriate since the problem occurs after that package is updated.  Let me know what you think.  Thanks.  bug 728797
[01:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728797 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "When using "Make Caps Lock an additional Ctrl" keyboard option, doing a dist-upgrade causes caps lock to revert to a caps lock key (affects: 1) (heat: 71)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728797
[02:07] <tarmon> Hey Everyone
[02:08] <tarmon> Just applied to join BugSquad Mentorship
[02:11] <tarmon> Talkative place
[02:11] <ikt> hi how r u? :))
[02:12] <charlie-tca> !u
[02:12] <ubot4> U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.
[02:12] <ikt> :((
[02:14] <ikt> tarmon, how come you're only in #ubuntu-bugs ?
[02:18] <tarmon> What's that?
[02:18] <tarmon> Where else should I be?
[02:18] <ikt> Where the talking is :)
[02:19] <tarmon> haha, which is? I am new around here :P
[02:19] <tarmon> Explains why it's kinda dead around here
[02:19] <ikt> nah
[02:19] <ikt> it's usually a bit more talkative in here when someone has something bug related happen
[02:20] <ikt> even then it depends on your time zone, there's almost no bug triagers in aus :(
[02:20] <ikt> some chat in #ubuntu-release-party, there's also your ubuntu loco  channels
[02:22] <tarmon> Nice
[02:22] <tarmon> What time/timezone is it being realeased
[02:27] <ikt> tarmon, they don't say, just sometime on april 28
[02:27] <tarmon> Got ya
[02:28] <tarmon> So I just joined the BugSquad Mentorship Launchpad team, any idea how long it typically takes them to accept people?
[02:30] <ikt> not sure, I got moved over as one of the initial batches as I was in the previous team waiting for a mentor
[02:30] <ikt> vash is online a lot though
[02:30] <ikt> so it should be soon
[02:31] <tarmon> Got ya.
[02:31] <tarmon> I noticed there were 6 others who had been waiting a little while.
[02:31] <tarmon> Sudden burst of motivation and wanting to get involved and then I hit this wall :P
[02:31] <ikt> yeah I know how that is
[02:32] <ikt> there's not to much about it though
[02:32] <tarmon> Yeah for sure.
[02:33] <tarmon> So are you still waiting for a mentor or what are you up too?
[02:38] <ikt> tarmon, atm just reading around a bit, waiting for release
[02:38] <ikt> I don't think you wait for a mentor anymore
[02:38] <ikt> did you join bugsquad mentor or bugsquad alpha squad?
[02:39] <trinikrono> hello guys
[02:39] <trinikrono> i am a part of the mentorship alpha group
[02:40] <ikt> gz :)
[02:40] <trinikrono> tarmon: you can join here https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship-group-alpha
[02:40] <trinikrono> just ask one of the admins to add you
[02:40] <trinikrono> look for vish :D
[02:44] <tarmon> COol
[02:44] <tarmon> Yeah I tried to join BugSquad Mentorship
[02:44] <tarmon> But I will shoot them a message
[02:50] <trinikrono> tarmon: this team? the alpha one
[02:51] <tarmon> The alpha one
[02:51] <tarmon> The one you posted a link for?
[02:52] <trinikrono> yes that one
[02:52] <trinikrono> well that ok anyways you know tarmon
[02:52] <trinikrono> where are you at with the triage process
[02:54] <tarmon> Not sure, trying to work my way through all of this. Haven't been at it for too long.
[02:55] <trinikrono> did you read the howto triage already?
[02:56] <tarmon> Yeah, I got through most of it.
[02:56] <trinikrono> what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[02:57] <tarmon> I have now :)
[02:58] <trinikrono> good so you can sign up for that and we can start you off on some bugs
[02:59] <trinikrono> did you pick a package to specialize in as yet?
[02:59] <tarmon> I have not.
[02:59] <tarmon> I actually have to head out for 30-60 minutes
[02:59] <tarmon> any chance you will still be around when I get back?
[02:59] <trinikrono> i will be if you are coming back :D
[03:00] <trinikrono> i am not in bug control as yet btw
[03:00] <trinikrono> so i can only help you so far anyways
[03:00] <tarmon> Alright well you seem to know more of whats going that I do ;)
[03:00] <tarmon> I should be back on in an hour or less
[03:00] <tarmon> Thanks!
[03:01] <trinikrono> ikt: are you in the mentorship group also?
[03:34] <ikt> trinikrono: yea
[03:34] <trinikrono> :D what do you triage
[03:54] <ikt> trinikrono, anything really
[03:54] <ikt> mainly watch over bugs filed against ubuntu
[04:27] <tarmon> bug 772008
[04:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772008 in ubuntu "gnome-panel is running over unity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772008
[07:55] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[10:18] <jibel> mvo, Hi, I hope you enjoyed your vacation :-)
[10:19] <jibel> mvo, I've a bug that's you'll maybe find interesting
[10:19] <jibel> mvo, bug 769680
[10:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769680 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "during kubuntu-desktop upgrade to Natty, gnome packages are removed if python is hold back to <2.7 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769680
[10:19] <jibel> half of the system has been removed during upgrade
[10:24] <mvo> thanks jibel, I check this out
[10:47] <mvo> jibel: fixed in -proposed
[10:51] <jibel> mvo, excellent, I was not requesting a quick fix though :-)
[10:58] <mvo> jibel: :)
[13:41] <Pici> Hm.  If I notice a bug in the release notes, should I fix it myself (!itsawiki) or is there someone better to notify? (specifically the mention of using do-release-upgrade -d)
[13:58] <pedro_> anybody with a raid1 and a natty installation ? ;-)
[13:59] <pedro_> bug 761971 needs some help with that
[13:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 761971 in mdadm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "no notification that one of the disks has been disconnected in a raid 1 configurtion (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761971
[15:40] <JoshuaL> I am trying to triage a bug, the bug 772409. main.log says 2011-04-28 10:37:22,258 DEBUG Can't mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.), i already gave the bug the tag maverick2natty. Is there any other thing I can change like the status or request more information?
[15:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772409 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 "Could not calculate the upgrade" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772409
[15:52] <mvo> JoshuaL: I commented in the bug
[15:53] <JoshuaL> ok ty
[15:55] <JoshuaL> bbl
[18:15] <bdmurray> jibel_: does update-managaer have bug reporting guidelines?
[19:28] <njin> hello fellows, i need a Xorg expert for this 2 heads problem(WW): NVIDIA: The Composite and Xinerama extensions are both enabled, which is an unsupported configuration.  The driver will continue to load, but may behave strangely.
[19:42] <ohsix> njin: you'll need to talk to nvidia, they are mutually exclusive, and they only do xinerama as a multihead hack, in lieu of xrandr 1.2+ support
[19:43] <njin> ohsix: do you think that installing Experimental drivers can fix this?
[19:46] <yofel> the expermintal drivers in jockey are meant for nouveau, so that would circumvent the issue by changing the driver. But the issue would still stay the same for nvidia
[19:46] <ohsix> yea, that
[19:46] <ohsix> you might try a natty livecd to see how that would go, then upgrade to natty :]
[20:20] <jibel> bdmurray, There is this doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager , I didn't review it recently
[20:23] <bdmurray> jibel: I meant https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+edit
[20:23] <bdmurray> jibel: and it looks like there are
[20:27] <jibel> bdmurray, I learned something. I completely ignored the existence of these +edit link.
[20:27] <bdmurray> jibel: well it only appears on the +source page so might be hard to find
[20:35] <JoshuaL> If a user says that it looks like the issue is fixed, can I close it or should I wait for the user to be sure its fixed?
[21:31] <RedSingularity> So the next bug meeting is the 19th at 1700 UTC?  That was the final decision?
[21:43] <yofel> RedSingularity: the 5th at 1700 and the next on the 19th at 1700, after that evey 2nd thursday of a month
[21:44] <RedSingularity> yofel: ok great.  Thanks buddy :)
[21:44] <yofel> sure, let's see if having it on the bugday will get some more people to listen ^^
[21:45] <RedSingularity> lol
[21:56] <bdmurray> participation would be better than listening ;-)
[22:03] <jibel> isn't update-manager's hook supposed to attach dist-upgrade logs when there's a failure during a release upgrade ? Very few upgrade reports have them attached.
[22:03] <bdmurray> jibel: do you have an example?  I was looking at this code the other day
[22:04] <jibel> bdmurray, bug 772539
[22:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772539 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "nasty distro upgrade crashed (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772539
[22:04] <bdmurray> nasty?
[22:05] <jibel> :-)
[22:05] <jibel> bug 772583
[22:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772583 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updating to Kubuntu 11.04, couldn't finish (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772583
[22:05] <jibel> bug 772602
[22:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772602 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "During upgrad error message regarding calculating the upgrade, E:ErrorpckProblemResolver::Resolve Generated Breaks (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772602
[22:05] <jibel> and so on ...
[22:05] <bdmurray> its not clear to me those first 2 are crashes
[22:06] <jibel> how did they filed the reports ?
[22:07] <jibel> bug 772611
[22:07] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772611 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Maverick - Natty upgrade crashes on kubuntu-desktop package (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772611
[22:08] <bdmurray> I think bug 721382 might help with some of this
[22:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 721382 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "dist-upgrade error message should say to use ubuntu-bug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721382
[22:08] <RedSingularity> jibel: I have found many reports from distribution upgrades lacking those files as well.
[22:12] <bdmurray> As I understand it not being able to calcuate the upgrade with return the message in bug 721382 which is suboptimal
[22:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 721382 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "dist-upgrade error message should say to use ubuntu-bug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721382
[22:13] <bdmurray> jibel: if you can help with a test case fro a crash though I'd be happy to help sort this out
[22:13] <bdmurray> oh hang on
[22:14] <jibel> bdmurray, That would obviously improve the situation. Sure, I can reproduce a crash.
[22:14] <jibel> I've 2 test cases actually, 1. couldn't calculate the upgrade 2. crash during upgrade
[22:15] <jibel> both crashes requires the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[22:16] <jibel> for 2. the hook must determine if it's a regular upgrade or a release upgrade
[22:19] <jibel> RedSingularity, for info there are many upgrade failures because of bug 772387,
[22:19] <jibel> you'll see "Broken openoffice.org-dmaths:amd64 Depends on libreoffice-dmaths [ amd64 ] < none > ( none )" at the bottom of the file apt.log
[22:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772387 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "failed to upgrade to natty: openoffice.org-dmaths : Depends: libreoffice-dmaths but it is not installable (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772387
[22:20] <bdmurray> jibel: I think I've sorted out one of the issues
[22:20] <jibel> bdmurray, what is it ?
[22:20] <RedSingularity> jibel: thanks for the heads up :)  I am going to make a note of that now for duplicates.
[22:20] <bdmurray> jibel: well let me test it first ;-)
[22:21] <jibel> ok :-)
[22:30] <bdmurray> jibel: do you recall how to do an sru test of a dist-upgrade? since a new version of update-manager gets downloaded...
[22:31] <jibel> bdmurray, what do you mean ? testing the version in natty-proposed ?
[22:33] <bdmurray> jibel: right
[22:33] <jibel> bdmurray, update-manager -p
[22:33] <jibel> this will download the release-upgrader from -proposed
[22:35]  * BUGabundo cries
[22:36] <BUGabundo> I got left out of #ubuntu+1 before I could say good bye to my friends
[22:36] <BUGabundo> it was closed TOO SOON
[22:38] <yofel> yeah, somehow we got the release done in the morning, I almost forgot to say bye too
[22:39] <BUGabundo> its NEVER in the morning :(
[22:39] <micahg> people must have been able to work faster in unity ;)
[22:39] <jibel> bdmurray, same kind of reporting issue with ubiquity, bug 772721 . It asks to use ubiquity/+filebug rather than directly reporting the bug and attaching the right files.
[22:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772721 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "On install apt crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772721
[22:39] <BUGabundo> we already run that stat for 10.04
[22:39] <BUGabundo> its almost always around 14-16 GMT
[22:39] <BUGabundo> oh well
[22:40] <BUGabundo> time to check for a new chain
[22:40] <BUGabundo> still on natty
[22:40] <BUGabundo> oh well
[22:40] <BUGabundo> tomorrow should be there
[22:46] <BUGabundo> meh
[22:46] <BUGabundo> totem-video-thumbnailer is killing my CPU
[22:47] <jibel> Yay, I've found a high score, 64 different ppa enabled, and strangely the system refuses to upgrade :)
[22:49] <micahg> wow, 64 PPAs...I think I topped out at 20
[22:50]  * yofel has 25 PPA enabled on his system, some of them pinned though
[22:51] <BUGabundo> wc -l sources.list
[22:51] <BUGabundo> 57 sources.list
[22:51] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/600471/
[22:51] <yofel> 319, but most of it is commented out
[22:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:52] <BUGabundo> -v #
[22:53] <BUGabundo> $ grep http sources.list | grep -v "# deb" | wc -l
[22:53] <BUGabundo> 14
[22:54] <jibel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600473/
[22:55] <yofel> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ | grep natty | grep -v deb-src | wc -l
[22:55] <yofel> 22
[22:56] <yofel> nice collection he has there...
[22:56] <BUGabundo> that give me 7 LOL
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so half of my are pre-natty
[22:56] <BUGabundo> jibel so you have *every* ppa available ? :P
[22:56] <BUGabundo> you are better off running debian unstable :))))
[22:57] <yofel> hm, that should be 23, kubuntu-ninjas is private so I manage that seperate


[20:36] <newz2000> mdke said to go ahead and have the meeting without him, so I guess we'll schedule a meeting for very soon.
[20:42] <vbabiy> newz2000: any Idea when yet? I would like to make it
[20:43] <newz2000> no, Vorlon is keeping a list of timezones. I may ask him if he pops online soon
[20:44] <vbabiy> newz2000: cool.
[20:44] <vbabiy> hows everything been going?
[20:45] <newz2000> good here...
[20:45] <newz2000> how about you?
[20:46] <vbabiy> same, I am planning on getting a rough draft of the feature tour together today
[20:46] <newz2000> cool
[20:46] <newz2000> I like what you did, also that mockup that came as a reply
[20:47] <vbabiy> newz2000: do we have the src for the current tour
[20:47] <newz2000> kind of... it's just a bunch of html pages
[20:48] <newz2000> this was done by an outside contractor or agency and I'm not sure what tool they used
[20:48] <newz2000> some pages are msdos formatted, some are unix formatted
[20:52] <vbabiy> newz2000: O really, well then forget it I can recreate the screen pretty quick
[20:53] <vbabiy> Also if we used a Dell screen, would that be willing to pay for the ad :)
[20:53] <newz2000> :-)
[20:53] <vbabiy> that would be kinda of cool
[20:54] <newz2000> I'd say try to not use anything that looks distinctly like a specific brand
[20:55] <newz2000> Ubuntu is getting big enough that it's attracting many hardware vendors and it would be a shame to scare any awy
[20:57] <vbabiy> newz2000: this is very true, didn't even think of that
[20:58] <newz2000> not as many people know this, but Sun has down a lot of work to certify their servers for Ubuntu (cf www.ubuntu.com/sun ) and additionally have an
[20:58] <newz2000> awesome library of stock images I could use
[20:58] <newz2000> but the problem is their servers look so distinctive that if I used their images it'd be like plastering a big sun ad on the site.
[21:29] <vbabiy> yeah
[22:24] <hubuntu> hi newz2000:
[22:25] <hubuntu> have you made some changes to the template for the shipit.ubuntu.com site?
[22:25] <newz2000> hey hubuntu
[22:25] <newz2000> not for shipit perse, but I"ve got a slightly updated version of it for another project
[22:25] <hubuntu> is that something that may go into production for ubuntu sites?
[22:26] <hubuntu> We are defining the layout template for spreadubuntu and it would be nice to work on the right template or global idea at least
[22:27] <newz2000> hubuntu: let me give you what I have... I'm not going to guarantee that it won't evolve, but it's the best I have now
[22:27] <hubuntu> that sound good enough for us
[22:30] <newz2000> hubuntu: you'll have to remove the shipit stuff in there
[22:30] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu08.zip
[22:31] <newz2000> do you want the svg image for creating the header graphic?
[22:32] <pep> Hi
[22:32] <newz2000> hi pep!
[22:32] <hubuntu> newz2000: If we use that template do we have to keep the Canonical copyright note as it is or can we change it to include the Marketing Team, for instance?
[22:33] <newz2000> no, please change it as a matter of fact
[22:33] <pep> I suppose hubuntu showed the spreadubuntu mock-up...
[22:33] <pep> :)
[22:33] <newz2000> no
[22:33]  * newz2000 would love to see it
[22:33] <pep> http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1834/mockup6bismn7.png I quickly gimp'ed this this afternoon
[22:34] <pep> using bits of screenshots uf ubuntu.com
[22:34] <newz2000> so I made some decissions for ubuntu.com that may not apply to you...
[22:34] <pep> but hubuntu made me notice the lower end taht is nicely rounded on https://shipit.ubuntu.com/, so I'll add that...
[22:35] <newz2000> here's my layout guide for ubuntu.com: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu-layout-guide.png
[22:35] <pep> thank you
[22:35] <hubuntu> yes newz2000 the svg would be nice to have
[22:35] <newz2000> so the html template I just gave him confirms to those dimensions
[22:35] <hubuntu> thank you very much newz2000 :)
[22:35] <newz2000> also, here is my layout helper I gave to the design agency who did some of our graphics (that still didn't get it right)
[22:35] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/layout-guide-helper.png
[22:36] <newz2000> this last image shows you should measure the image width from the perceived edge of the image, not the actual edge
[22:36] <newz2000> so your header could be bigger than 852... if it has a 3px drop shadow on both sides it might be 852 + 3px + 3px
[22:37] <pep> newz2000: oh well this is just a draft, nothing concrete, so I'll mix something in-line with the rest of the ubntu sites.... but you must know that we serve a very precise purpose... much like an ftp browser... this was the first mock-up: http://dicidailleurs.houbsi.org/uploads/file/mockup.png
[22:37] <newz2000> no prob. Feel free to deviate, I'm just explaining why things are they way they are
[22:37] <hubuntu> is the javascript thing possible in this version newz2000?
[22:37] <hubuntu> have you found a solution to the hardcoded menu?
[22:38] <newz2000> hubuntu: I think my solution will be to not have drop down menus
[22:38] <newz2000> I'd say plan for that
[22:38] <hubuntu> sound very unweb2ish, but good enough after knowing the background story
[22:38] <pep> hubuntu: why'd we need drop-down menus anyway?
[22:39] <hubuntu> see ubuntu.com
[22:39] <hubuntu> not that we need them, but it's sort of cool
[22:39] <hubuntu> I dropped them out in ubuntu.ec
[22:39] <pep> Oh, yes of course... well it depends which links we decide to put in the top-right hand corner...
[22:39] <hubuntu> too much work, too little time, no access to ftp
[22:39] <newz2000> hubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/header.svg
[22:40] <newz2000> best viewed in inkscape
[22:42] <hubuntu> thank you. I will download everything here and upload it in my slicehost pep
[22:43] <pep> hubuntu: I got it here too
[22:43] <hubuntu> good
[22:46] <pep> newz2000: As you probably saw on the mockup, I'd like to use the same clipper-type box for the content of the site, like here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download can I re-use the same code?
[22:47] <newz2000> of course, you may also want to do a quick google for "sliding doors"
[22:48] <newz2000> there's an article on 'a list apart' about that technique for tabs
[22:48] <pep> thanks for the info
[22:48] <pep> by the way
[22:48] <newz2000> try "sliding doors css"
[22:48] <pep> I noticed that it works well whilst on the download tab, but when you click on "buy ubuntu on cd", the other tabs are not shaded....
[22:48] <newz2000> the tabs can be far better than that link. The design agency who did our theme did that withoutout thought about how it would actually be implemented in html (imho)
[22:48] <pep> just a detail
[22:49] <newz2000> yes, correct
[22:49] <newz2000> I just set the opacity down on non active tabs, which is a hack
[22:49] <pep> Well, I wanted to keep it in-line with ubuntu.com, so I'll probably use the same design, correcting that shading bug of course
[22:49] <pep> ok, I wrote it down.
[23:37] <pep> thanks for your help newz2000!
[23:37] <pep> good night


[12:00] <rmg51> Morning
[12:00] <rmg51> off to PACS
[12:01] <rmg51> talk to the bear
[12:45] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs?, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[22:09]  * TengokuNoIsan sneaks in
[22:09] <TengokuNoIsan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qa9r3om22dj0f6/2015-03-21%2018.02.50.jpg?dl=0


[04:37] <bkerensa> jcastro: did you want me to cc you in the e-mails with Rackspace Cloud's CM and the engineer I will be working with to land a patch in Juju?
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[06:39] <smartboyhw> dholbach, good afternoon. BTW, do you have a script that posts "Good morning." to whatever channel you are in when you come? :P
[06:40] <dholbach> no :)
[06:41] <smartboyhw> dholbach, heh
[06:41] <smartboyhw> So I suppose you type it manually?
[06:42] <dholbach> copy and paste
[06:42] <smartboyhw> dholbach, hah
[06:43] <smartboyhw> dholbach, since you guys SO like automated things, automate the process"{
[06:43] <smartboyhw> :PP
[06:43] <dholbach> yeah, not sure about irc scripts
[06:44] <dholbach> plus I like chatting with people and say hi to them
[07:08] <bkerensa> dholbach: Would it be likely a patch would be accepted for iwlwifi to disable N by default in Ubuntu since Intel has not fixed 802.11N in their driver and it likely causes users to think Ubuntu's networking is unstable
[07:08] <bkerensa> ?
[07:09] <smartboyhw> -1
[07:09] <smartboyhw> What?! We are disabling N!?
[07:15] <bkerensa> smartboyhw: no
[07:15] <bkerensa> smartboyhw: N does not work on Intel Wireless Cards
[07:15] <bkerensa> it has never worked properly
[07:16] <bkerensa> so it should be disabled in iwlwifi until a fix occurs upstream which is not likely to happen soon since its been this way for some time
[07:19] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, huh?
[07:19] <smartboyhw> I'm using an Intel wireless card in my notebook
[07:19] <smartboyhw> And my wifi network is n only
[07:19] <smartboyhw> And it certainly works
[07:20] <bkerensa> smartboyhw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785239
[07:20] <ubot2`> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 785239 in kernel "Wifi connection by iwlwifi module" [Medium,Closed: currentrelease]
[07:20] <bkerensa> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1034740
[07:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1034740 in Linux "8086:4238 iwlwifi drops connection when using 802.11n" [High,Confirmed]
[07:20] <bkerensa> the support is flaky in the intel driver
[07:20] <bkerensa> it can and does work
[07:21] <bkerensa> but its very unstable compared to the 802.11abg support
[07:21] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, still does not work in the 3.11 kernel? -.-
[07:21] <bkerensa> does work
[07:21] <bkerensa> but not stable no
[07:21] <bkerensa> and no not in 3.11
[07:21] <bkerensa> its still a valid bug upstream
[09:10] <popey> morning
[09:10] <nigelb> Good Morning popey.
[09:10] <popey> hey nigelb
[09:11] <nigelb> I hear autumn has arrived with rains in London.
[10:09] <popey> haha.. "oops". https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTeGmjFCQAA5_TJ.png:large
[10:09] <popey> nice one ZTE!
[10:13] <jussi> popey: epic fail... (one of the few times you can actually use that term...)
[10:24] <nigelb> ow
[10:25] <popey> http://gigaom.com/2013/09/06/in-which-zte-teaches-us-how-not-to-survey-customers/
[14:20] <jcastro> mhall119: tutorials page done, review pls!
[14:49] <JoshStrobl> mhall119: Know who manages the UDS pages that can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/uds-project/+bug/1220882
[14:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220882 in UDS Project "Ubuntu miro community unused. Should be deprecated." [Undecided,New]
[16:01] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you on Monday!
[17:25] <mhall119> jcastro: looks great, thanks!
[17:26] <mhall119> JoshStrobl: the web team usually handles those pages, I've already let them know about it
[22:43] <jose> and who's changing the video size at ubuntuonair again?
[22:43] <jose> marcoceppi, jcastro: ^