[09:43] <topyli> heh
[09:52] <Pricey> I don't get it.
[09:52] <LjL> O.o
[09:52] <LjL> doesn't he have it the other way around maybe?
[09:54] <DJones> And all because a user joined #u with the username "Linux_Is_Free" just before they made the comment
[11:21] <AlanBell> !no path is <reply>The $PATH variable tells the shell where to look for the commands you tell it to run. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#File-location_related_variables
[11:21] <AlanBell> !no path is <reply>The $PATH variable tells the shell where to look for the commands you tell it to run. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#File-location_related_variables
[11:21] <AlanBell> !path
[11:26] <AlanBell> whilst I think about it, everyone seen this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2013-November/001633.html
[11:27] <AlanBell> meeting to discuss the next IRC Council in #ubuntu-meeting on Saturday at 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting, all are welcome
[17:35] <ikonia> !guidelines
[17:55] <Myrtti> lhave: your nickserv ident has dropped
[18:07] <ikonia> ignore
[18:26] <ikonia> hello wek
[18:26] <Wek> hi ikonia,
[18:26] <Wek> unban me plz
[18:26] <Wek> ok?
[18:26] <ikonia> I'm sorry no
[18:26] <Wek> why reaosn?
[18:26] <Wek> reaosn
[18:26] <ikonia> well, it's clear you are trying to be a problem
[18:26] <Wek> seriously?
[18:26] <ikonia> you joined a channel you clearly know does not like sexual topics and you make sexual "jokes"
[18:27] <Wek> nono me not
[18:27] <ikonia> so I think it's best you find other hcannels
[18:27] <ikonia> well, I don't know how else to take "Can I install ubuntu on my vibrator"
[18:27] <ikonia> I could only assume it was a joke,
[18:27] <ikonia> and as you know to join #ubuntu-ops straight after being banned, I can only assume you know the channel well enough to know the ops channel,
[18:28] <Wek> the why banned me?
[18:28] <ikonia> for the reason I just said
[18:28] <Wek> there are offtopic channel
[18:28] <ikonia> yes, and I've just explained that your jokes are not welcome
[18:29] <Wek> ok i understand
[18:29] <ikonia> ok, take care
[18:29] <Wek> but i first time here
[18:29] <ikonia> no, it's not
[18:29] <ikonia> lets be honest
[18:29] <Wek> i stop joking ok
[18:29] <Wek> now unban plz
[18:29] <ikonia> I think you should find other offtopic channels that welcome that sort of sexul joke
[18:30] <ikonia> not today, no
[18:30] <Wek> why?
[18:30] <Wek> Ikonia plz
[18:30] <ikonia> because I don't appreciate people joining the channel just to try to cause a problem
[18:30] <Wek> i will honest
[18:30] <ikonia> there are many other offtopic channels
[18:31] <ikonia> I'd suggest using one of them
[18:31] <k1l> Wek: are you serious?
[18:31] <bazhang> ban evading while here?
[18:31] <ikonia> I think we are done
[18:31] <k1l> Wek: you are asking for a unban in here and doing the same inappropriate stuff in #ubuntu in the meantime?
[18:31] <LjL> heh
[18:32] <Wek> hi L cute guy
[18:32] <Wek> how are u?
[18:32] <Wek> they so angry
[18:32] <Wek> and evil
[18:33] <LjL> aw he called me cute ;(
[18:33] <ikonia> LjL: you know him ?
[18:33] <IdleOne> you are cute, doesn't mean we need to watch you two share compliments :P
[18:33] <LjL> ikonia: it might possibly be someone who acted silly before, but i'm not sure
[18:34] <ikonia> I think you're right, based on joining -ops 3 seconds after being banned
[18:34] <ikonia> almost like they know the drill....
[18:35] <ikonia> they seem to know you for special favour though
[18:35] <LjL> what are you trying to imply ;(
[18:35] <ikonia> nothing,
[18:35] <ikonia> I thought you may have known them from their behaviour
[18:36] <ikonia> dealt with thm in the apast
[18:36] <ikonia> past
[18:36] <LjL> yeah this person was going on with something about gay and stuff, so i thought he might be them. but the bantracker doesn't show similar IPs and i don't remember nicknames or anything
 KDE is one big BUG
[18:39] <k1l> bazhang: yep
[18:45] <ikonia> wow - know to join #ubuntu-ops again
[18:45] <Whatcat> why ikonia banned me?
[18:45] <ikonia> lets not do this same dance again
[18:45] <Whatcat> they said on ubuntu
[18:46] <ikonia> no-one said that
[18:46] <ikonia> so please, lets not waste any more time - find other channels to play in, as we'll just keep banning you
[18:46] <Whatcat> read my privat
[18:46] <ikonia> nope
[18:47] <Whatcat> u cant
[18:47] <Whatcat> cose u will not know me
[18:48] <ikonia> ok, well, good luck with that
[18:48] <Whatcat> so fun here
[18:48] <ikonia> bye
[18:48] <Whatcat> oh
[18:48] <Whatcat> but we
[18:48] <Whatcat> h
[18:48] <Whatcat> sex please
[18:50] <bazhang> check Xonan
[18:52] <k1l> they must be bored as hell :/
[18:52] <Pici> Is this the guy who is the same as emi, or something else?
[18:53] <Pici> Looking for a good comment for the wide ban.
[18:53] <ikonia> don't think it's the emi guy
[18:53] <ikonia> the unit nickname looked like him
[18:53] <ikonia> but the others don't
[18:55] <ikonia> I suspect it "may" be the audrey person again
[18:55] <ikonia> as I was talking to him in pm trying to explain to him about non-sexual content
[18:56] <bazhang> slut_tits yeah
[18:56] <ikonia> he kept changing his nicknames to bakedgay and things like that
[18:56] <bazhang> err +2
[18:56] <ikonia> he claims he's not the same person as tit_sluts and I can't find anything to link them
[18:56] <bazhang> it had a 2 at the end
[18:56] <ikonia> ahhh wait
[18:56] <ikonia> look at the nickname "whatcat"
[18:57] <ikonia> 18:56 -!- audrey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:57] <ikonia> 18:56 -!-  ircname  : what
[18:57] <ikonia> audrey has the "what" ident and real name
[18:57] <ikonia> thats the guy I was talking to
[19:03] <ikonia> looks like the unit acount was real
[19:03] <ikonia> account  : SonikkuAmerica
[19:04] <bazhang> SonikkuAmerica<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:04] <bazhang> yep
[19:04] <ikonia> yup
[19:44] <ikonia> hello root
[19:44] <ikonia> hello Guest63872
[19:57] <Corey> scrollback end
[20:01] <Unit193> /
[20:01] <Corey> Yeah, I may have dropped that.
[20:02] <Unit193> I was handing it back to you, I found it on the floor.
[21:04] <IdleOne> you forgot the !
[21:05] <IdleOne> !guidelines > bupy7
[21:05] <h00k> ah crap
[21:05] <h00k> thanks
[21:05] <h00k> how do I op.
[21:05] <h00k> I thought it was smart like that
[21:06] <IdleOne> it is but you have to give it the right trigger
[21:06] <h00k> Right, I meant, I thought you could without the bang
[21:13] <LjL> h00k is getting old
[21:14] <IdleOne> I must be ancient
[21:15] <LjL> IdleOne: you get studied in the first year
[21:15] <IdleOne> hah, for someone reason that made me smile
[21:16] <h00k> LjL:[ I am
[21:59] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu bish0p_ warned again not to swear
[22:00] <k1l> *sigh*


[02:24] <mlankhorst>
[02:24] <mlankhorst> oops, night
[20:50] <Milos_SD> hi guys
[20:50] <Milos_SD> can someone help me get 313.09 nvidia module to compile on 3.8-rc1 kernel ?
[20:50] <Milos_SD> this is the make.log with errors: http://pastebin.com/F30rJLmC


[00:04] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging somehow tracks all the packages in lubuntu. how do i add to the list of packages it tracks? i'm not sure how it works to begin with
[00:07] <wgrant> wxl: Tracks in which sense?
[00:07] <wxl> wgrant: we get automatically subscribed to all the bugs
[00:08] <cjwatson> I think it just has a load of structural subscriptions.
[00:08] <wgrant> That's what it looks like.
[00:08] <wxl> is that something i can modify?
[00:08] <wxl> well, in a bulk sense
[00:08] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package name>, hit "Subscribe to bug mail"
[00:08] <wxl> or do i just need to go to each package?
[00:08] <wgrant> wxl: Navigate to the package page (eg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg) and click "Subscribe to bug mail"
[00:08] <cjwatson> assuming you admin that team
[00:09] <cjwatson> ... which you do
[00:09] <wxl> i am an admin
[00:09] <cjwatson> you can do it in bulk using the API
[00:09] <wgrant> It would also be possible to do that through launchpadlib for a given set of packages.
[00:09] <cjwatson> distribution_source_package has an addBugSubscription method
[00:09] <wxl> oooh excellent
[00:09] <wxl> thanks folks! give yourselves a pat on the back for being so wonderful :)
[00:10] <cjwatson> yay, git.launchpad.net backend now self-hosted
[00:11] <wgrant> Now we're in trouble if it breaks :)
[00:11] <cjwatson> we can still roll back without it :)
[00:11] <wgrant> Assuming Swift survives....
[00:12] <cjwatson> well yeah
[00:27] <clivejo> is there any way a PPA can have its size increased?
[00:29] <wgrant> clivejo: Sure, tell me the PPA's URL and why you need more space.
[00:30] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/calligra/
[00:30] <clivejo> Its a big package
[00:31] <clivejo> I'm trying to package new version 2.9.10
[00:31] <clivejo> but have no room
[00:31] <wgrant> clivejo: Fixed.
[00:32] <clivejo> wgrant: can you see the package I just uploaded?
[00:32] <clivejo> is there any way to recover it?
[00:33] <wxl> are there any PUT examples for launchpadlib anywhere?
[00:34] <cjwatson> wxl: https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Hosted_files
[00:35] <cjwatson> (the .write there turns into a PUT behind the scenes - see lazr.restfulclient.resource:HostedFileBuffer
[00:35] <cjwatson> )
[00:35] <wgrant> wxl: What're you trying to do?
[00:36] <wgrant> clivejo: It's not possible to recover a rejected package. You need to upload it again.
[00:36] <clivejo> wgrant: or even  just the source code calligra_2.9.10.orig.tar.xz
[00:36] <wxl> wgrant: just trying to do that bug subsscription thing
[00:36] <cjwatson> wxl: You don't need PUT for that
[00:36] <wgrant> wxl: You don't need a PUT to do that. Have a read through https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[00:36] <wxl> isn't addBugSubscription a PUT?
[00:36] <cjwatson> you may be confusing PUT and POST
[00:36] <wgrant> No, it's a POST.
[00:37] <clivejo> wgrant: my internet is too slow and very near my quota
[00:37] <wgrant> You want something like lp.distributions['ubuntu'].getSourcePackage(name='dpkg').addBugSubscription(subscriber=lp.people['some-team'])
[00:37] <wxl> oh derp
[00:37] <wgrant> clivejo: We no longer possess that file.
[00:37] <clivejo> ok fair enough, Ill leave it be
[00:37] <wxl> ah great
[00:37] <clivejo> thanks for bumping my PPA quote
[00:38] <clivejo> good night
[01:08] <psusi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail says to just set my email address in launchpad and it will set up the forward for my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and NOT to set my launchpad email contact to my @ubuntu.com address... but according to https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+editemails, my primary email *is*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and this has been forwarding to my secondary email for years
[01:08] <psusi> ( which I now need to change as my ISP are a bunch of morons )
[01:19] <xnox> psusi, what's your primary email at login.ubuntu.com?
[01:31] <mgz> logout
[01:44] <psusi> xnox<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:46] <psusi> that's the email I use for everything and it just forwards to my old email address @cfl.rr.com, but the idiots have shut down my account and can't recreate it for at least 3 days, so I'm trying to switch the forwarding to my gmail account since they don't keep screwing up and losing my email
[01:48] <psusi> xnox, and all of the mail I have received over the years from from launchpad have been addressed to @ubuntu.com but forwarded to cfl.rr.com
[01:49] <psusi> yet according to that wiki page, this isn't possible?
[01:51] <psusi> in other words, the very thing that the wiki and bug #5292 say is broken has been working fine for me for years
[02:05] <psusi> I'm guessing that what happens is that after 24-48 hours your primary email is synched to the .forward, then after that, you can change the primary to @ubuntu.com and then subsequent syncs ignore it and keep forwarding to the previous address
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229675896/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.samba_2%3A4.1.20%2Bdfsg-1ubuntu1unnet1~trusty_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> anybody here a clue why that build is failing?
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> sbuild-build-depends-samba-dummy : Depends: libcups2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> that makes very little sense to me
[09:19] <thopiekar> pmjdebruijn: For me it looks like your sources.list is not set up well. libcups2-dev should be hosted at the "main" component of your target Ubuntu release.
[09:21] <thopiekar> So double check that "main" is in your /etc/apt/sources.list. I'm sorry that I can't give better sbuild instructions as I use pbuilder for local builds...
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> this is on the ppa build farm
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> not on my local machine
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> so I have no control over the sources.list
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> which is exactly why that messages puzzles me
[09:23] <thopiekar> Ah, ok, well then check your PPA details. There is a selection, where you can set the components you want to use to build your packages. Even when "main" is enabled try to disable and enable it.. (Maybe it's a bug?)
[09:35] <wgrant> pmjdebruijn: "but it is not going to be installed" from apt means that the package's dependencies aren't satisfiable for some reason. You should set up a clean trusty environment locally, add your PPA, and try to install the package's build dependencies, then drill down until you find the root dependency issue.
[09:35] <wgrant> apt isn't good at identifying the root cause itself.
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> wgrant: I think i figured it out
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> new samba depends on heimdal-dev, but cups2-dev depends on krb5-dev in older ubuntu's, thus greating a conflict
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> I diffured the old samba control file and the new one, and there was a note about this in there :)
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> helpful package maintainer is very helpful :)
[10:28] <pmjdebruijn> wgrant: thanks btw :)
[13:04] <tsimonq2> I have been playing with this for a bit and I have gotten frustrated. I would like to use the api to get a queuebot-like function. Is there a way in the API that I can see the latest status change for all the packages without having to look package-by-package?
[14:39] <su_v> cjwatson: did the spam filter/script break again? https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape is getting flooded again
[15:59] <CarlFK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/229675939/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.sane-backends_1.0.24-4ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:59] <CarlFK>  sbuild-build-depends-sane-backends-dummy : Depends: libgphoto2-2-dev but it is not installable
[16:00] <CarlFK> I did apt-get source on vivd, applied a patch, set the target as wily - and I guess libgphoto2-2-dev doesn't exist ?
[16:17] <dobey> no, and there is a newer version of sane-backends in wily already anyway
[17:08] <CarlFK> ah, right.  thanks.  derp.
[17:09] <CarlFK> how do I create a package for wily on my vivid box?
[17:11] <m_hampl> The spammer seem to have select a new target. There is again a huge attack, about 100 message about support phone number in the inkscape area
[17:15] <su_v> 164 messages from today and still on-going (not a new target btw).
[17:19] <Mc-> m_hampl: my .procmailrc : http://paste.fulltxt.net/7Z6HW4
[17:36] <maxb> CarlFK: Source package or binary package?
[17:36] <CarlFK> maxb: the goal is to have it in my PPA, which is source only, right ?
[17:37] <maxb> You upload the source, it builds the binary, right
[17:37] <maxb> In which case there is nothing special you have to do to prepare a source package on a different release
[17:53] <dobey> CarlFK: use pull-lp-source from ubuntu-dev-tools to get the source, instead of apt-get source
[17:54] <CarlFK> dobey: neat.  thanks
[17:54] <dobey> maxb: well, debuild errors out by default if you haven't got the build-deps installed, so it won't let you create the .changes to upload the source. you need to install the build-deps, or pass the argument to ignore build deps
[17:54] <CarlFK> yeah, little fuzzy on what I have to do, special or not.
[17:55] <dobey> not sure why you want to build it for wily if you have vivid, though :)
[17:57] <CarlFK> the short answer is: I need to be ready for wily
[17:58] <CarlFK> for LCA (conference Feb1) I'll build up about 20 boxes.  likely wily.  I'll have a day or two between getting the hardware and needing them to be read to use.
[17:59] <CarlFK> so no time to be doing journey of R&D
[18:11] <Mc-> 230 spams so far today
[18:36]  * su_v counts 274 for today, and still incoming
[18:37] <Mc-> yeah, +43 since i counted ^^
[18:45] <dobey> i don't think cjwatson and wgrant need you to keep announcing incoming spams on inkscape answers in this channel, really
[22:19] <wxl> trying to use launchpad lib to add a bunch of packages to my team subscription and i'm getting a 400:
[22:19] <wxl> http://pastebin.com/8anv68th
[22:22] <wgrant> wxl: lximage-qt isn't an Ubuntu package, source or binary.
[22:22] <wxl> oh what
[22:22] <dobey> wxl: you probably need to strip the whitespace when you filearray.append(line). it looks like the string includes the newline character, and you're sending that to launchpad
[22:22] <wgrant> Oh, it is in xenial.
[22:22] <wgrant> The problem, then, is what dobey said.
[22:22] <wxl> yeah in xenial
[22:22] <wxl> ok great
[22:22] <wxl> thanks guy
[22:22] <wxl> s
[22:23] <dobey> "lximage-qt\n" doesn't exist :)
[22:27] <wxl> dobey: so you think filearray.append(s.strip(line)) would be reasonable?
[22:27] <wxl> er oops
[22:27] <wxl> line.strip() i mean
[22:28] <wxl> yep that did it, nevermind :)


[07:58] <doko> coreycb: even in a ppa build?
[16:05] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/XOpqSUDbIMkfMAJHpS7f/ is the min for license update, fyi.
[16:08] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/hIRIeiSC1CPiach3Sc45 where you no longer have to update the version in d/rules and d/postinst, but since one still has to update the hash in postinst...Not sure it's worth the hack.
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, please check with the one I committed
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> I already had done this before getting the message
[16:24] <Unit193> Better verson?  What makes it better?
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> nothing, just I couldn't apply the patch as-is
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> so I did the job again
[16:25] <LocutusOfBorg> uploading
[16:26] <Unit193> (FYI, 'Ukikie' is just another name for me.  I'm still just 'Unit 193' :) )
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> oh lol
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> btw would be nice to get the sha256sum file and sed the value semi-automatically with a rules target
[16:27] <Unit193> There's no even somewhat decent way to do that, though.  Closest would be during 'tarball', but that's still not great.
[16:28] <LocutusOfBorg> wget -O - http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.30/SHA256SUMS |grep extpack
[16:28] <LocutusOfBorg> the guest-additions already do something like that
[16:32] <Unit193> Yes, but it also doesn't download the ISO.
[19:41] <coreycb> doko: i've uploaded swift 2.15.1-0ubuntu3 for the artful FTBFS
[19:41] <coreycb> doko: ppa worked
[20:19] <bdmurray> kirkland: Should manpages.ubuntu.com have 17.10 before the release or after?
[20:20] <kirkland> bdmurray: right around the same time
[20:20] <kirkland> bdmurray: I've already committed the changes to the bzr repo, just need to file the RT
[20:20] <kirkland> doing that now...
[20:22] <kirkland> bdmurray: done.
[20:28] <bdmurray> kirkland: okay, thanks!
[20:49] <kirkland> bdmurray: thank you for the reminder ;-)
[21:19] <jackpot51> Has anyone else seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1724370
[23:38] <ignoo> hello, running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issue with ubuntu ArtfulAardvark: https://pastebin.com/W1tBbqpq . Thank you for your support.
[23:40] <wxl> nice poem, ignoo
[23:41] <valorie> heh


[10:25] <rmg51> Morning
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[16:35] <ChinnoDog> morning
[17:26] <InHisName> afternoon
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> is there an easy way to host a router through your linux desktop?
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> I need to basically emulate a local network to access a weird device which has an assigned IP address I can't get on my work network
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> so I was thinking of just faking it intothinking it was on a local network to configure it
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> Create a virtual bridge and add a network adapter on the same subnet as the network device.
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> If you can change the IP on the device though then that is the complicated way to do it. Just give your workstation a static IP on the same subnet, update the device, and then change your workstation settings back
[20:05] <MutantTurkey> ah
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> can I keep it off the network?
[20:14] <ChinnoDog> Yes. Plug your network device directly into your workstation. Traditionally you needed a crossover cable for this but most network devices now have auto-polarity so a patch cable is probably sufficient.
[20:16] <JonathanD> you can also add a route to access wrong-subnet devices on your local network.
[20:16] <JonathanD> using your ip as the gateway.
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> Can you? I don't know how to set up advanced routing in Linux. How does the kernel know to forward packets to the other subnet when the route sends them back to your adapter?
[20:19] <ChinnoDog> And how does it do that without an adapter on that subnet?
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> basically at this point i have it plugged in th
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> that's it
[20:20] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: I thought you were a networking expert!
[20:21] <ChinnoDog> I am MutantTurkey but I haven't set up a full fledged Linux router before. Hence the questions.
[20:22] <ChinnoDog> Plug the thing into your workstation already.
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> Done
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> on the thing there are two of the network LED's on, green is solid, gthe porange blinking slowly
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> so it's connecte
[20:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: you have to be on a flat network, but as long as you are the ip doesn't matter.
[20:27] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: it's plugged in, but nothing comes up automatically of course
[20:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I've done this tons of times while working with SAN hardware and such.
[20:28] <JonathanD> you just do a route add, and delete it when you're done.
[20:28] <MutantTurkey> add a route to where?
[20:28] <ChinnoDog> That is interesting JonathanD. I'll have to research that more.
[20:28] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: I usually do it directly to the piece of equipment I want to talk to.
[20:29] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: that only works if you want to add your device to the network which you already said you don't. You want to access it off-network which you can do now if you know the IP.
[20:29] <JonathanD> on the "know the ip" side, I've had reasonable success firing up wireshark while connected direclty and bouncing hte whatever-it-is
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> wireshark isn't giving me any output
[20:37] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: if you get nothing at all, it might be listening in the wrong place or something.
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> dmesg gives me e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is UP 100Mbps Full Duplex. Flow Conrol None.
[20:37] <JonathanD> Whats your client machine.
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> my lappy
[20:37] <JonathanD> What OS?
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu somethin
[20:38] <JonathanD> I'd expect at least to see your ubuntu talking a little.
[20:38] <MutantTurkey> i'll retry as root
[20:39] <MutantTurkey> it tries to do a dhcp discover
[20:40] <JonathanD> You're seeing your traffic then, at least.
[20:40] <JonathanD> So now you probably want to bounce the other device and see if it talks.
[20:40] <MutantTurkey> what does bounce the other device mean?
[20:45] <JonathanD> turn it on and off
[20:45] <JonathanD> or unplug the net cable and plug it back in, you can try that too.
[20:45] <JonathanD> I suppose you could just scan for IPs if you're sure you're in the right subnet.
[21:05] <MutantTurkey> okay so it's trying to dhcp to my laptop
[21:05] <MutantTurkey> my laptop needs to return something giving it an ip address I assume
[21:05] <MutantTurkey> what daemon does that though?
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> hmmm so it looks like it has a source <IP_ADDRESS> on netcat
[21:11] <MutantTurkey> but how do I connect to that?
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> Use $client to connect to the $device.
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> You still haven't told us what the device is.
[21:31] <ChinnoDog> Networked bacon cooking machine?
[21:31]  * ChinnoDog telnets to <IP_ADDRESS>, issues order to cook two slices of bacon extra crispy


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[00:01] <SkippersBoss> r4y http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1711029&page=3
[01:45] <lemur> Hi all.  Looking for help getting clean install of latest ubuntu.  In process of update, I think I corrupted all previous versions.  Now operating via download to usb flashdrive, but can't figure out how to install to harddrive.  Any help appreciated
[01:45] <stlsaint> lemur: you cant install?
[01:45] <stlsaint> lemur: did you get a live cd?
[01:46] <holstein> lemur: just launch the installer.. should be an icon for it in the menu
[01:47] <lemur> running new version ok now on laptop from download to usb flashdrive.  so it boots up to usb ok, but gets hung up without it. just freezes on previous versions even safe mode not work
[01:47] <holstein> lemur: i would look at recovering GRUB
[01:47] <holstein> !grub2
[01:47] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[01:47] <lemur> several people have mentioned to just launch the installer, but I dont see an icon for it
[01:48] <lemur> ok, i will look at grub2 link suggested above. thanks for your time
[01:48] <holstein> sure... there are other iso's as well
[01:48] <holstein> if you dont get the normal one to install...
[01:49] <lemur> ok thanks
[20:58] <nix-n00b> Hi, can someone answer a question regarding a graphics driver issue?
[21:04] <SkippersBoss> !ask | nix-n00b
[21:04] <ubot2> nix-n00b: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[21:05] <nix-n00b> I have an older PC with an Ati Radeon X1300 graphics card, I cant seem to get a graphics driver to install, do i need an older version of Ubuntu to support it?
[21:09] <SkippersBoss> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:54] <euryale>  guys, y does pinguy got my volume control disabled?
[22:54] <euryale>  guys, y does ubuntu got my volume control disabled?
[22:54] <euryale> everytime i open it up, it says: connection failure: connection refused.


 "The room will be there, just get..." <- *Ideally* we'd have left a tombstone behind in the previous room directing it to here (which would also put a link in the top of *this* history to the old room), but that would have required admin permissions on the previous room, which we didn't have.
[07:13] <Saviq> Happy Monday o/
[08:17] <RAOF> Today:
[08:17] <RAOF> * Still not 100%
[08:17] <RAOF> * Tried to start chasing down why Alan's evdi testing ended in OOM. I suspect we're not feeling DRM buffers correctly, but haven't yet found a culprit.
[08:20] <RAOFOld[m]> Hm. My Synapse install appears to be on fire 😐. I may have put that maintenance off a little too long. 😬
[08:25] <alan_g[m]> I'm not suggesting that the evdi work leads to the OOM. Memory usage seemed stable after I'd set up a swapfile. And I was running some memory hogs (firefox, clion). (The test laptop has 8Gb and ran fine for hours with 1-2Gb of swap in use, so I'm guessing usage peaked at around 10Gb, Miriway was using less 1Gb)
[09:43] <Saviq> alan_g we can push https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-ubuntu-frame-mir-test-tools-mir-2-14-1-update/37217 now?
[09:43] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: Agreed. Just not got to it yet
 "*Ideally* we'd have left a..." <- OTOH plumbing does give us the benefit of administering the room ourselves. What did we want to do that we couldn't b/c of lack of admin again?
[10:21] <Saviq> FYI: uploaded wlcs 1.6.0 with the FTBFS fix into mantic:
[10:21] <Saviq> https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/rc/+sourcepub/15048198/+listing-archive-extra
[10:21] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: > <@saviq:matrix.org> FYI: uploaded wlcs 1.6.0 with the FTBFS fix into mantic:
[10:21] <alan_g[m]> >
[10:21] <alan_g[m]> > https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/rc/+sourcepub/15048198/+listing-archive-extra
[10:21] <alan_g[m]> Cool!
[10:22] <alan_g[m]> alan_g[m]: Shouldn't that be 1.6.1?
[10:24] <Saviq> Don't think it warrants a point release
[10:25] <Saviq> (can still be, if you think otherwise)
[10:26] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: 🤷
[17:30] <alan_g[m]> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5e6526e9c50238f45bbc23e5b125508f28ebd3a1>)


[01:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[01:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you think we should split plasma-mobile pkg into more pkg?
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: No.
[05:44] <Tm_T> 4.7.1 on 11.04 in use here, all works just fine
[07:32] <bambee> morning
[07:51] <bambee> shadeslayer: around ? do you know who is the rekonq maintainer ?
[08:34] <bambee> ScottK: patches cherry-picked from KDE/4.7 http://paste.kde.org/127333/ (kde-workspace), okay to commit ? [y/n]
[08:54] <allee> bambee: when you are at kde-workspace, how about adding the fix in bug 855472
[09:02] <bambee> allee: looks good
[09:02] <allee> bambee: thx a lot in the name of all command line users ;)
[09:03] <bambee> :)
[09:17] <mfraz74> Running 11.10 and doing an update wants to uninstall KDM
[09:28] <allee> mfraz74: tried.  does not happen for me
[09:30] <mfraz74> allee: I must've tried upgrading mid package change as it is working now
[10:03] <bambee> apachelogger: around ?
[10:30] <ScottK> bambee and allee: I cherrypicked pretty much everything fr -workspace.
[10:30] <ScottK> fr/for
[10:30] <bambee> ScottK: these patches have been committed recently
[10:31] <ScottK> Since Friday?
[10:32] <bambee> yes
[10:32] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=shortlog&h=refs/heads/KDE/4.7
[10:32] <bambee> 3 commits
[10:32] <ScottK> Yep.  OK.
[11:03] <bambee> ScottK: also, http://paste.kde.org/127393/ <-- what do you think about this patch ? It fixes a bug with kubuntu-low-fat which exports KDEDIRS from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat, the problem is starkde overrides KDEDIRS on netbooks, okay to commit it ?
[11:03] <bambee> (I mean, don't you see a problem or something?)
[11:04] <bambee> without this patch kubuntu-low-fat-settings is simply not used on netbooks/smartbooks :)
[11:06] <ScottK> Seems OK.  I'd check with apachelogger.
[11:06] <bambee> ok
[11:06] <bambee> apachelogger: ping, any suggestions?
[11:07] <bambee> (since you created kubuntu-low-fat-settings...)
[11:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could you use your famous kde-l10n script to upload all the 4.6.5 translations to natty-proposed closing #859562 in changelog?  I'm currently doing the rest of KDE.
[11:44] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: why not?
[11:44] <apachelogger> rbelem: why not!
[11:45] <apachelogger> bambee: why not...
[11:45] <bambee> lol
[11:46] <apachelogger> bambee: so... the problem really is that netbook and mobil set their crap in startkde
[11:46] <apachelogger> which is really not where it should set it
[11:46] <apachelogger> and I am not quite sure on the details why it actually does it there
[11:46] <bambee> oh the mobile too, you're right!
[11:46] <bambee> don't know :\
[11:46] <apachelogger> try :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> or/and checkout the changelog of workspace and the settings packages
[11:47] <apachelogger> oh, for mobile I know the reason
[11:47] <apachelogger> not that it would make any more sense
[11:48] <bambee> mobile has no dm
[11:48] <apachelogger> mobile is a param of startkde
[11:48] <apachelogger> not sure about netbook
[11:48] <bambee> netbook too
[11:48] <bambee> (startkde line 229)
[11:48] <apachelogger> right on
[11:49] <apachelogger> I love it
[11:49] <apachelogger> now this leads to the following question....
[11:49] <apachelogger> why arent they simply startplasmanetbook and startplasmamobile
[11:49] <apachelogger> which setup the env and then fork startkde or something
[11:51] <bambee> you mean startmobilekde ?
[11:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[11:52] <apachelogger> bambee: there is no kde
[11:52] <apachelogger> we start the plasma workspace
[11:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you do the kde-l10n for natty-proposed (4.6.5)?
[11:52] <apachelogger> no need to wrongly name yet another script
[11:52]  * ScottK is about to upload the rest.
[11:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: I might
[11:52] <ScottK> Please.
[11:52] <bambee> apachelogger: startmobilekde exists...
[11:52] <apachelogger> depending on hwo people have messed about with the branch
[11:52] <apachelogger> bambee: wth
[11:52] <apachelogger> bambee: where?
[11:53] <rbelem> bambee, apachelogger, in default settings pkg
[11:53] <bambee> apt-get source kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[11:53] <bambee> bin/
[11:53] <apachelogger> eh
[11:53] <apachelogger> what does it contain?
[11:53] <apachelogger> cause plasma-mobile had such a script
[11:53] <apachelogger> but it was epic crap
[11:53] <rbelem> it was not working in the desktop file
[11:53] <rbelem> when running startkde mobile
[11:54] <rbelem> `startkde mobile`
[11:54] <apachelogger> what I want is a script that sets up the envrionment for mobile and then forks startkde
[11:54] <apachelogger> startkubuntu for all I care
[11:54] <apachelogger> can do mobile, netbook, tablet, whatever
[11:54] <rbelem> apachelogger, so we should drop all our changes to startkde?
[11:54] <apachelogger> pretty much, yeah
[11:55] <rbelem> nice :-)
[11:55] <rbelem> i like that :-)
[11:55] <bambee> apachelogger: a "low-fat" param would be nice, imho
[11:55] <bambee> "low-fat" or equivalent
[11:55] <apachelogger> there is no such thing
[11:55] <apachelogger> low fat is a setting on top of everything else
[11:56] <apachelogger> it is an implicit option to all our workspaces
[11:56] <apachelogger> so what startkubuntu would do is....
[11:56] <apachelogger> if $1 == mobile
[11:56] <apachelogger> ...
[11:56] <apachelogger> elif $1 == tablet
[11:56] <apachelogger> ...
[11:56] <apachelogger> elif $1 == netbook
[11:56] <apachelogger> ...
[11:56] <apachelogger> fi
[11:57] <apachelogger> foreach file in /usr/share/kubuntu-session.d/
[11:57] <apachelogger> include file
[11:57] <apachelogger> end
[11:57] <apachelogger> exec startkde
[11:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, how would we set the one that will be loaded?
[11:57] <apachelogger> rbelem: argument, just like now
[11:58] <apachelogger> startkubuntu mobile
[11:58] <apachelogger> startkubuntu tablet
[11:58] <apachelogger> startkubuntu autodetect?
[11:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, but it does not work very well on the desktop file
[11:59] <rbelem> apachelogger, i tried that and it does not take parameter there. i dont know why
[11:59] <ScottK> dput ubuntu *.changes is so much fun.
[11:59] <rbelem> :-D
[11:59] <ScottK> yofel: Uploading 4.6.5 for natty-proposed.
[11:59] <apachelogger> rbelem: maybe you did it wrong :P
[11:59] <rbelem> maybe
[11:59] <apachelogger> rbelem: even so... the solution is to simply have a script per desktop file
[12:00] <bambee> well, so I push changes to kde-workspace without my fix for now -> only the allee's fix and the patches cherry-picked from upstream
[12:00]  * Riddell hugs apachelogger and ScottK for extending their membership of kubuntu-dev
[12:00] <apachelogger> they really only need to set one variable (i.e. the mode which is to be started) and then include the genreal logic from another file
[12:00] <apachelogger> (or simply hold a copy of the foreach for that matter)
[12:00]  * apachelogger fondles Riddell while hugging back ^^
[12:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, we can make symlinks
[12:01] <Riddell> ooh er
[12:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, and check the name of the symlink
[12:01] <apachelogger> rbelem: then you'd still need to identify what type of session to load
[12:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, like busybox
[12:01] <apachelogger> that sounds hackish
[12:02] <rbelem> apachelogger, not very much, it is widely used
[12:02] <apachelogger> in my experience implicit features like that tend ot break easily
[12:02] <apachelogger> rbelem: that does not mean it is a good idea
[12:02] <apachelogger> windows is also widely used :P
[12:02] <rbelem> hahaha!
[12:02] <rbelem> that true
[12:02] <yofel> ScottK: \o/
[12:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, about the active stuff
[12:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, can we upload the latest changes?
[12:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: yofel took away my branch url :(
[12:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, but for runtime we need the active-development branch
[12:04] <yofel> huh?
[12:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: what's the diff between active and 4.7?
[12:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, just some active stuff that will enter in 4.7.2
[12:05] <apachelogger> why is it not in the 4.7 branch then?
[12:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, then we can get the active 1.0 in -updates
[12:06]  * apachelogger points out that final freeze is around the corner
[12:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, they are still working to cleanup i think
[12:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, or we should keep that in the ppa?
[12:06] <bambee> bzr push lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace -> "No new revisions to push" o.O
[12:07] <apachelogger> rbelem: at this point I'd say PPA
[12:07] <rbelem> apachelogger, ok
[12:07] <bambee> (yes I've  typed "bzr commit")
[12:07] <apachelogger> rbelem: changing runtime this close to final freeze sounds like a terrible idea to me
[12:07] <apachelogger> OF COURSE
[12:07] <rbelem> apachelogger, then i will ask linaro guys to generate an image with plasma active ppa
[12:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, thats true
[12:08] <bambee> it's already pushed... strange :\
[12:08] <apachelogger> if you people had listened to me to begin with and not bothered with a dual build but instead just QA'd the soup out of runtime we'd have active in archive now :P
[12:08] <apachelogger> rbelem: oh, they can make images from PPAs? that sounds awesome \o/
[12:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, but it was really broken
[12:08] <bambee> allee: pushed , thanks for you contribution !!!
[12:08] <bambee> your *
[12:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think they can
[12:08] <apachelogger> bambee: don't drink and push
[12:08] <bambee> apachelogger: wtf?
[12:09] <bambee> I am not drunk :P
[12:09] <apachelogger> yeaaah
[12:09] <apachelogger> right
[12:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will ping rsalveti rightt now to confirm that
[12:09] <apachelogger> awesome
[12:09] <apachelogger> rbelem++
[12:10] <rbelem> hum... he is not online
[12:10] <rbelem> he is!
[12:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, the config files that used to be in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is now provided by upstream
[12:14] <apachelogger> oh, how did that happen?
[12:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: 4.6.5 to natty-proposed?
[12:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, they put everything in the config dir but they dont install them
[12:15] <rbelem> apachelogger, should i create a plasma-mobile-settings?
[12:15] <apachelogger> I am confused
[12:15] <apachelogger> rbelem: why? I thought you were going to tweak the settings anyway?
[12:15] <apachelogger> plus if they are not installed... there is no point to it
[12:15] <apachelogger> IMHO
[12:15] <apachelogger> then again I had no coffee yet
[12:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, they are ready to use and tweaked
[12:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, we just have to install
[12:17] <rbelem> apachelogger, they do that in meego pkgs
[12:17] <Quintasan> \o
[12:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-mobile.git&a=tree&h=33e2aa95f7def06526882a266c27e91d82df6726&hb=d38de2bc55f59cb83ce6127799d20626d4031713&f=config
[12:18]  * Quintasan goes to eat
[12:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, heya
[12:18] <rbelem> :-)
[12:18] <apachelogger> rbelem: those files are rubbish
[12:19] <apachelogger> [$Version]
[12:19] <apachelogger> update_info=kded.upd:kde3.0,kwin.upd:kde3.2Xinerama,mouse_cursor_theme.upd:kde3.4.99,kaccel.upd:kde3.3/r1
[12:19] <apachelogger> that is so wrong for default settings
[12:19] <apachelogger> SO WRONG
[12:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, so should i copy them to kubuntu-mobile-settings and remove these things?
[12:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, or patch them and install to plasma-mobile-settings?
[12:21] <debfx> dpm: could you please drop the templates kipiplugins, kipiplugin_*, desktop_extragear-graphics_kipi-plugins, desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam, desktop_extragear-graphics_digikamimageplugins and digikam from the kde language packs?
[12:22] <debfx> the package has been demoted to universe
[12:25] <dpm> debfx, adding it to my todo list, thanks. Let me get to it this evening.
[12:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: kubuntu-mobile-settings
[12:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: IMHO they probably should not be in there
[12:27] <apachelogger> plus most of them have nothing to do with plasma
[12:27] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog rules) New stable upstream release
[12:27] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/build-l10n.sh change branch path for natty archive
[12:28] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* releasing version 4:4.6.5-0ubuntu1
[12:30] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/build-l10n.sh actually fix the url proper
[12:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[12:30] <ScottK> (natty-proposed)
[12:31] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/build-l10n.sh ktown->ftpmaster
[12:32]  * apachelogger blinks
[12:32]  * apachelogger blinks some more
[12:33] <apachelogger> ah
[12:33] <apachelogger> right
[12:33] <apachelogger> they also changed the path
[12:33] <apachelogger> epic
[12:34] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/build-l10n.sh ...
[12:35] <Quintasan> durrr
[12:35] <Quintasan> They do not know the dates when one can go to consulate when applying for a visa
[12:35] <Quintasan> silly people
[12:35] <Quintasan> told me to call tomorrow or the day after tomorrow
[12:46] <ScottK> So ...
[12:46] <ScottK> In KDE 4.6 and before (as long as I can remember), I could select text in konsole, click on it and drag it.
[12:47] <ScottK> In KDE 4.7 one must ctrl-click to drag.  Click just unselects.
[12:47] <ScottK> Any idea is there's a setting to fix this usability abomination?
[12:47] <ScottK> (alternately - does anyone else have this problem too?)
[12:48] <ScottK> Other than that and email being a complete failure, KDE 4.7 seems pretty good.
[12:48]  * apachelogger ctrl shift c's
[12:51] <ScottK> Right, but before one didn't need to do that.
[12:51] <ScottK> just double click, click, and drag.
[12:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:51] <apachelogger> maybe #kde knows
[12:54] <CIA-130> [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog New stable upstream release (LP: #859562)
[12:55]  * apachelogger sighs
[12:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: how can I prevent bzr ci trying to be smarter than me?
[13:00] <Quintasan> ScottK: Y, same here
[13:00] <Quintasan> I thought it is just my mouse acting up
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: get smarter?  what's the problem?
[13:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I type bzr ci and when there was a change in debian/changelog it uses whatever changed in changelog as commit message
[13:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds like a useful feature to me, it's intended to mirror debcommit.  what's the problem with it?
[13:04] <apachelogger> which for example int he commit from above was rubbish as I only added the bug number, which would be good to mention as such and not restating a message that was already mentioned in a commit with a bug number
[13:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: bzr uncommit; bzr commit -m "my commit message"
[13:05] <apachelogger> PITA alert :(
[13:06] <NCommander> apachelogger: long
[13:06] <NCommander> *pong
[13:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the PITB? using -m ?
[13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not on windows and thus have useful editors + I might want to have a long commit message
[13:06] <apachelogger> with newlines and all that
[13:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: what is a spice seed and why do we need to talk about it?
[13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=builddeb bzr commit
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: then I cannot use bzr builddeb
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: well aye, you've just been complaining about its behaviour
[13:09] <apachelogger> I want to build a deb from bzr
[13:09] <apachelogger> what I do not want is it making commit messages for me
[13:11] <apachelogger> rbelem: do you know whether we can a PPA ISO yet?
[13:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: then in bzr-builddeb's __init__.py file remove the block "if bzrlib.version_info[0] >= 2 and bzrlib.version_info[1] >= 4:"
[13:13] <Riddell> I guess I'll look into adding a config option for that
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: that would be great, thanks
[13:15] <apachelogger> rbelem: arent the settings in config/ mostly relevant to tablet? :O
[13:19] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-tablet-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* share/autostart/plasma-device.desktop upstream decided to rename the binary again \o/ plasma-tablet -> plasma-device
[13:20] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-tablet-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* share/config/kcminputrc set blank mouse cursor theme
[13:27] <apachelogger> brr the debug installer needs some redesign
[13:28] <ScottK> Quintasan: We need to find where this came from and kill it.
[13:35] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-debug-installer] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (debian/changelog debian/control src/DebugInstaller.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[13:35] <CIA-130> * When called with no arguments terminate right away in the DebugInstaller ctor,
[13:35] <CIA-130> otherwise event processing would continue through run() and show() causing a
[13:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-debug-installer should appear in queue soonish
[13:36] <ScottK> OK.
[13:36] <apachelogger> fixes a crash when called without args
[13:36] <ScottK> K.
[13:36] <ScottK> yofel: Would you please make #859562 affect all the relevant packages (and don't forget meta-kde and oxygen-icons...)
[13:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: l10n uploaded started
[13:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[14:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: I think the kactivitymanager stuff has a packaging issue
[14:26] <apachelogger> I seem to be missing the desktop file :O
[14:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[14:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, it was move from kdelibs to kactivities
[14:35] <rbelem> *moved
[14:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, i have mode some changes that i will upload to ppa soon
[14:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, and more new packages
[14:38] <apachelogger> rbelem: yay
[15:04] <bambee> ScottK: could you approve the ffe in bug 859706 ?
[15:06] <ScottK> bambee: I don't have time to do the archive admin stuff, so if you can find someone, like maybe Riddell_, then I'll approve it.
[15:06] <bambee> ok
[15:06] <Riddell_> hi
[15:06] <bambee> hi
[15:07] <Mamarok> dear kubuntudevs, may I remind you that there still is no announcement for the amarok 2.4.3 packages which are available for both Natty and Oneiric...
[15:07] <Mamarok> 3rd reminder by now I think
[15:07] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^
[15:12] <Riddell_> bambee: why "Add libmygpo-qt-dbg and change debian/rules accordingly" ?
[15:12] <Riddell_> anybody else wanting to do that Amarok announcement can get acccess details from me
[15:13] <bambee> Riddell: because there was no debugging package...
[15:14] <bambee> I was wrong ?
[15:14] <Riddell> bambee: all ubuntu packages have debugging packages automatically made, there's no need to manually add one.  and since we're past beta now isn't the time to be adding new .debs without good reason
[15:14] <bambee> good to know ^^
[15:14] <bambee> ok
[15:15] <bambee> I will revert my changes
[15:15] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Aye, lemme find out what happend to the admin interface's SSL certs, Konqueror is going beserk about them, which means I can't access the site.
[15:16] <Riddell> bambee: FFe approved, there's not much new features in it
[15:17] <bambee> ok thanks
[15:18] <bambee> fixed
[15:19] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Do you have an announcement written up? Screenshots?
[15:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: ping
[15:21] <Mamarok> ryanakca: you can use the screenshot from amarok.kde.org
[15:23] <Mamarok> and there is not much text needed, similar to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-241-resolution-released
[15:24] <bambee> mohahahaha my ac100 works so fine on kubuntu... :D
[15:25] <ScottK> OK, so kmail2 ...
[15:25] <ScottK> It looks like I got stuff working.
[15:26] <ScottK> If I delete a message, it momentarily moves to the next message in the list as I expect, then redraws the message list and jumps to some other message.
[15:26] <ScottK> Anyone else see this?
[15:40] <ScottK> 4.6.5 is accepted into natty-proposed, so we'll need that tested ...
[15:41] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^ Thanks for all the help.
[16:27] <bambee> ScottK: I will test it right now on my eepc :)
[16:29] <ScottK> bambee: It'll take a while for them to build.
[16:30] <bambee> oh I thought these was already built, ok I will test later then
[16:31] <pythonsnake> Hello
[16:32] <pythonsnake> http://www.ohloh.net/p/quassel fixed in Oneiric. Great works.
[16:35] <apachelogger> Sput: my project is still worth 2 quassel :P
[16:35]  * apachelogger find ohohohoholol fun
[16:47] <pythonsnake> err
[16:47] <pythonsnake> No tab completition for Konsole.
[16:50] <NCommander> apachelogger: ugh, long story
[16:53] <ScottK> pythonsnake: Tab completion here.
[16:53] <apachelogger> it has
[16:53] <apachelogger> unless you install bashcompletion
[16:53] <apachelogger> in which case it does not
[16:54] <ScottK> click/select is still broken with no obvious suspects in the git log about what broke it.
[16:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: report a bug or mail kde-devel, IIRC konsole upstream is very repsonsive
[16:56] <ScottK> OK.
[16:56] <ScottK> I was trying to figure out if it was a "feature" or not.
[16:57] <pythonsnake> I got some issues for upgrading caused by flashplugin-installer
[16:57] <pythonsnake> http://pastie.org/private/qx4zgaznikhhnjsmouacaa <- more info there.
[16:58] <apachelogger> #Skipped the beginning of apt-get upgrade (no errors)
[16:58] <apachelogger> that is wrong
[16:58] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: :S
[16:59] <apachelogger> NCommander: is there documentation on spice seeds somewhere?
[16:59] <pythonsnake> I don't notice any errors. It's like everyday.
[16:59] <apachelogger> mind me, I was too lazy to ask google :P
[16:59] <NCommander> apachelogger: thats a poke persia/infinity question
[17:00]  * apachelogger needs to write a bot to do that
[17:00] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: E: Unable to locate package bashcompletion
[17:01] <apachelogger> it might have another name
[17:04] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: what is it ?
[17:04] <apachelogger> a spaceship
[17:05]  * apachelogger has no idea what we are talking about just now
[17:05] <pythonsnake> lol
[17:05] <apachelogger> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active
[17:05] <pythonsnake> bash-completion package doesn't help..
[17:06] <apachelogger> can you please make kubuntu-members member?
[17:06] <apachelogger> and transfer owernship to the mighty council
[17:08] <pythonsnake> What is this channel exactly for ?
[17:08] <pythonsnake> Topic doesn't say much..
[17:09] <apachelogger> what the name of the channel suggests
[17:09] <pythonsnake> development ?
[17:10] <apachelogger> bingo
[17:11] <pythonsnake> I meant for reporting bugs, devs communicate ..etc ?
[17:12] <apachelogger> bugs go on bugs.launchpad.net, unless they are bugs in upstream KDE software in which case they go to bugs.kde.org
[17:12] <maco> no rgreening? did he stop hanging out here?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> bambee: no idea, but i might be able to help
[17:13] <pythonsnake> Hmm. Tab completion works if no sudo is before the command.. strange..
[17:15] <ScottK> Found it.
[17:15] <ScottK> http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1211082&view=revision
[17:15] <maco> pythonsnake: maybe its not in root's path?
[17:15] <ScottK> It was on purpose.
[17:16] <pythonsnake> How to put it in root path ?
[17:17] <pythonsnake> Let me reboot. New kernel.
[17:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: This was the change: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/konsole/src/TerminalDisplay.cpp?r1=1211082&r2=1211081&pathrev=1211082
[17:19] <ScottK> How hard would it be to make that run time configurable?
[17:20]  * apachelogger hates websvn diff
[17:20] <apachelogger> huh, that class is epic
[17:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: not much
[17:20] <ScottK> Not so much hard or not so much possible?
[17:21] <apachelogger> hard
[17:21] <pythonsnake> Done.
[17:21] <pythonsnake> Policy Kit crashed on shut down
[17:22] <pythonsnake> sending you a report :-)
[17:22] <pythonsnake> I have 2 kcrash
[17:23]  * apachelogger tickles yofel with a long fluffy stick
[17:23] <pythonsnake> http://pastie.org/private/qqc2yitrcnlud6ekr5gla
[17:24] <shadeslayer> uh
[17:24] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: that really doesn't tell us anything :P
[17:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Thanks.  Ironically the bug report was for "Please make it configurable", but the maintainer decided no one could possibly want it the way it was.
[17:24] <pythonsnake> http://pastie.org/private/xem3nhrfweycfdxbpxcoq
[17:24] <pythonsnake> That one does ScottK
[17:24] <pythonsnake> That one does shadeslayer
[17:24] <shadeslayer> looking
[17:24] <ScottK> So I just asked in the bug, please do what the bug asked ...
[17:24] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: might be related to a bug in buzilla, lemme see
[17:25] <pythonsnake> Uploaded report
[17:25] <apachelogger> cough
[17:25] <apachelogger> man
[17:25] <apachelogger> drinking is dangerous
[17:25] <apachelogger> phew
[17:25] <pythonsnake> ?
[17:26] <yofel> apachelogger: kubuntu-active re-owned
[17:26] <pythonsnake> How to get bash completion with sudo ?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: might be related to kde bug 258916 , please check
[17:26] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: this aint a support channel
[17:26] <apachelogger> yofel: thank you yofi :*
[17:26] <yofel> heh
[17:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: have you had the time to look at our poll?
[17:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: no
[17:27] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: i'll be publishing it tomorrow, so please add anything that needs adding
[17:28] <pythonsnake> Yes
[17:28] <pythonsnake> It seems to be http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258916
[17:28] <pythonsnake> But I have another versions
[17:28] <shadeslayer> btw, anything that you'd like me to look at?
[17:33] <bambee> Could anyone upload 4.7.1-0ubuntu4 into archives ? (see lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace)
[17:33] <bambee> kde-workspace  4.7.1-0ubuntu4  *
[17:35] <shadeslayer> is there a way to get all blueprints under kubuntu?
[17:36]  * shadeslayer has 3 todo items and does not know what needs doing
[17:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: click on the todo link in the /topic and scroll to the bottom
[17:37] <yofel> there's a per-assignee list of todo items
[17:37] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:37] <shadeslayer> found it
[17:38] <shadeslayer> clearly i should read carefully
[18:09] <apachelogger> rbelem: I am landing a bangarang snapshot in active PPA
[18:09] <apachelogger> bangarang --touch apparently gives a more touchable UI
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: muon bug ping
[18:13] <apachelogger> I am not the muon master
[18:13] <shadeslayer> well, the muon master is not around, so you're the next best bet
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a bug in muon that when you change the servers via s-p-k  and make it NOT reload the sources.list, muon will refresh the cache thus blocking apt
[18:15] <shadeslayer> this is when using the software center
[18:15] <shadeslayer> O_O
[18:16] <shadeslayer> this happens if i don't even open s-p-k
[18:19] <shadeslayer> hah http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/26/plasma-desktopBw1618.jpg
[18:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: JT said it's a bug in s-p-k
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: not its not
[18:20] <shadeslayer> s/not/no/
[18:20] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "yofel: no its not"
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: i've run s-p-k with kdesudo, changed servers, everything works fine
[18:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-baseapps/konsole/repository/revisions/564e24cf1b2819525b2f74dc9ba61b7b68a472b9 thoughts?
[18:21] <yofel> then wait for JT
[18:21] <apachelogger> it fixes on screen keyboard with active
[18:21] <shadeslayer> and looking at this : http://paste.kde.org/127549/
[18:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: As long as autoSipEnabled defaults to false, it should be fine, right?
[18:22] <ScottK> Reallyl bad name, BTW.
[18:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qapplication.html#autoSipEnabled-prop
[18:23] <apachelogger> it always is unless the qapp has a software keyboard as input method
[18:23] <ScottK> "The default is platform dependent."
[18:23] <ScottK> What's ours?
[18:24] <apachelogger> false
[18:24] <apachelogger> the documentation is bogus though
[18:24] <apachelogger> I think this soly depends on what is the primary input method module for Qt
[18:25] <shadeslayer> hmm, i guess i should email JT
[18:25] <apachelogger> on wince it is always true it seems
[18:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually
[18:29] <apachelogger> now I am not quite sure how that would fix the keyboard
[18:31] <shadeslayer> ok wth
[18:31] <shadeslayer> void MuonMainWindow::checkForUpdates() is completely empty
[18:31] <shadeslayer> how is this even possible then :/
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: am i doing this right?  : (gdb) break MuonMainWindow::runSourcesEditor(bool)
[18:43] <shadeslayer> because it doesn't seem to work :/
[18:45] <apachelogger> possibly
[18:45] <apachelogger> do you ahve debug symbols installed?
[18:45] <apachelogger> cause otherwise that wont work
[18:45] <shadeslayer> oh, i'm installing dbg installs right now, thought it could work without them
[18:46] <shadeslayer> idk why JT even calls checkForUpdates there, checkForUpdates is completely empy
[18:46] <shadeslayer> *empty
[18:46] <shadeslayer> also, why the need to call checkForUpdates, s-p-k takes care of it
[18:49] <rbelem> apachelogger, nice :-)
[18:49] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-mobile-settings/ i created that yesterday
[18:58] <shadeslayer> [echidnaman] Ensure jockey -a gets run for the live session from ubiquity as well as target install: TODO << Any pointers on how to do that? I could try and do that tomorrow
[18:59]  * shadeslayer is not entirely familiar with how to run stuff post install
[19:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh, installing dbg symbols does not help either
[19:00] <apachelogger> then you are doing it wrong
[19:00] <apachelogger> just use tabbing
[19:01] <shadeslayer> thats what i'm using
[19:05] <shadeslayer> any ideas on my jockey question? I'm just about to go to bed
[19:07] <apachelogger> I dont even know what that is
[19:07] <shadeslayer> well, its on the TODO, someone knows probably knows about it
[19:09] <shadeslayer> wohoo, jockey-kde crashed when passing the -a argument
[19:12] <shadeslayer> alright, i'm off to sleep
[19:28] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Apparently the kded4 defunct processes bug is a problem in kubuntu-notification-helper
[19:28] <txwikinger> Do we have already a bug for this?
[19:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:28] <apachelogger> I fixed it yesterday :P
[19:29] <apachelogger> bug 515138
[19:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/127567 <--- is this looking sane to you?
[19:30] <apachelogger> G
[19:30] <apachelogger> struct is your friend
[19:30] <apachelogger> I see at least struct point and struct coord there :P
[19:31] <Quintasan> Isn't that a overkill for a simple app like that?
[19:31] <apachelogger> seems fine though
[19:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why?
[19:31] <apachelogger> it makes the code more readable
[19:32] <apachelogger> and on ASM level it does not really make a difference... particularly not for a simple program like that
[19:32] <Quintasan> struct A { double X, Y; } ?
[19:32] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:32] <apachelogger> well, lower case X and Y for good naming, but yeah
[19:32] <Quintasan> A.x certainly looks more readable
[19:32] <apachelogger> so your code actually made sense without comments
[19:32] <apachelogger> you'd allocate a point and a coord
[19:33] <apachelogger> anywho
[19:33] <Quintasan> I see, let me rewrite that part
[19:33]  * apachelogger was almost out the door when getting highlighted so now he is actually out the door and looses connection :P
[19:40] <Quintasan> QUALITY CODE
[19:46] <txwikinger> apachelogger: thanks for fixing it.. I can test it when I get it
[20:34] <sheytan> windows8 is gonna suck. trust me
[20:45] <apachelogger> sheytan: [madsheytan] Make CD covers with Kubuntu artwork: TODO
[20:45] <apachelogger> now what did I come here for...
[20:45] <apachelogger> hmmm
[20:46] <apachelogger> ah
[20:46] <apachelogger> right
[20:46] <apachelogger> rbelem: bangarang snapshot landed, not terribly convincing as of now
[20:46] <apachelogger> rbelem: now trying to land declarative-plasmoids which has more touchy plasmoids I hear
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: for 11.10?
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: I guess so
[20:47] <sheytan> will do, sir
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: it is on the todo
[20:47] <apachelogger> see channel topic
[20:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: it is not there
[20:51] <sheytan> only web page and installer slideshow
[20:51] <sheytan> ah
[20:51] <sheytan> sorry
[20:51] <sheytan> got it
[20:52] <sheytan> gtg
[20:52] <sheytan> bye
[21:32] <pythonsnake> acid3 problem is not fixed in oneiric
[21:35]  * bambee_ loves ARM
[22:06] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: what problem?
[22:06] <apachelogger> bambee_: who doesn't
[22:06] <apachelogger> arms are very useful
[22:07] <bambee_> kde on a ac100 is just... awesome :D
[22:07] <apachelogger> no idea what an ac100 is
[22:08] <bambee_> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
[22:09] <apachelogger> scary device
[22:09] <bambee_> :)
[22:09] <bambee_> it's still experimental, but works fine
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/622BX.png
[22:12] <apachelogger> rbelem: ^
[22:13] <apachelogger> slc is not working
[22:13] <apachelogger> not quite sure why
[22:25] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: freeze at 69
[22:27] <apachelogger> it happens
[22:28] <pythonsnake> everytime
[22:28] <apachelogger> rekonq --version
[22:29] <pythonsnake> :/
[22:29] <pythonsnake> update oneiric repo !
[22:32] <apachelogger> that so did not make sense in context
[22:32] <pythonsnake> ?
[22:33] <apachelogger> how can --version return either :/ or update oneiric repo !?
[22:34] <pythonsnake> I meant Oneiric repo is not bleeding edge
[22:34] <pythonsnake> 0.7.0
[22:34] <apachelogger> right
[22:34] <apachelogger> that is what I wanted to know
[22:35] <apachelogger> because .90 does not lock up, so it is a non-issue should yofel or bulldog98 ever get to FFe that
[22:36] <pythonsnake> update takes ages
[22:36] <pythonsnake> not upgrade
[22:38] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: wow.
[22:39] <pythonsnake> New rekonq has too much dependencies.
[22:41] <apachelogger> it has exactly the same
[23:11] <tsdgeos> hi guys
[23:11] <tsdgeos> Can you reproduce the crash at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282822 ?
[23:15] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: not with poppler 0.16.7 (which is what 11.10 will ship with)
[23:15]  * apachelogger tries to find a device that has 11.04
[23:15] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: the backtrace the dude is getting seems weird
[23:16] <tsdgeos> i.e. there is no call to Object::free in Linearization.cc:29
[23:19] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: I also can not reproduce it on 11.04
[23:21] <tsdgeos> ok
[23:21] <tsdgeos> tx
[23:21] <apachelogger> np


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[20:31] <antileet> shaunm, ping!
[20:34] <shaunm> antileet: pong
[20:35] <antileet> shaunm, I'd spoken to you about some service I wanted to build many months ago. I'm launching that in a little while. The public website is http://tuxtorial.com/ I was hoping I could get your feedback
[20:36] <antileet> my writing skills aren't that great and I want to make sure that people get the idea
[20:36] <antileet> since it's directly related to docs, I thought I could talk to you
[20:43] <shaunm> antileet: would you be able to attend the writersua conference March 13-16?
[20:43] <shaunm> http://www.writersua.com/conference/index.html
[20:43] <shaunm> Long Beach, CA, USA
[20:44] <shaunm> there's a peer showcase where you could get a booth to show this off
[20:44] <shaunm> I'm trying to stuff that conference full of open source people
[20:44] <antileet> shaunm, I'd love to try, but that'd be highly unlikely.
[20:44] <antileet> I'm in India :P
[20:45] <antileet> but it looks really intersting
[20:56] <shaunm> antileet: this looks really nice. is there something specific you wanted me to look at?
[20:56] <shaunm> I think one of the best ways for people to get an idea of what it can do is to seed it with actual tutorials people can view
[20:56] <shaunm> so they can see the end result
[20:57] <antileet> shaunm, right. I am planning to do that but the main application isn't ready yet. I am looking for people to test it out before making a public release
[20:58] <shaunm> well, send me a download and I'll play with it this week
[20:58] <shaunm> I have to run soon. hosting a dinner party in a couple hours, and there's a lot of prep work to do
[20:59] <antileet> sure. thanks for your time
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