[12:16] <fdoving> Tonio_: ping?
[12:22] <fdoving> anyone around for kio-apt a upload to main?
[12:24] <fdoving> Riddell: ping ^^ if you're around http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kio-apt/
[12:24] <fdoving> good nite.
[12:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: pong
[12:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: what does it change ? we already have kio-apt in the repos no ?
[12:35] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you do a kio-apt upload to main? http://ubuntu.lnix.net/feisty/kio-apt/
[12:35] <fdoving> Tonio_: it adds feisty sections to the dropdown menu.
[12:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay will look and upload :)
[12:36] <fdoving> thanks. :)
[12:36] <fdoving> Riddell: tonio fixed it, sorry about the noise. :)
[12:36] <fdoving> and good nite to all.
[01:58] <Mez> minghua ping
[04:23] <robotgeek> imbrandon: is there a possiblity of seeing amarok 1.4.4 for dapper?
[04:24] <imbrandon> robotgeek: it should be in dapper-backports , if its not i'll see what i can do about getting it backported
[04:25] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. i am scared of backports. it always screws my system up.
[04:25] <imbrandon> heh , umm well it will NEVER hit -updates if thats what your asking
[04:25] <robotgeek> this time it was complaining about libvisual or so, i think (for 1.4.3)
[04:26] <imbrandon> right, thats the need for backports , it becouse of new libs etc
[04:26] <robotgeek> oh okay. alrite, i will be patitent
[04:26] <imbrandon> Jucato: backports
[04:27] <Jucato> ah
[04:27] <imbrandon> robotgeek: yea it looks to be only 1.4.3 in dapper backports, i'll get a new version there soonish
[04:28] <Jucato> imbrandon: Dapper users will be very thankful :)
[04:28] <robotgeek> imbrandon: no, problem. my 1.4.1 works without issues, i wanna try (and showoff) to my amarok denied friends
[04:28] <imbrandon> bah, they should be using edgy unless they have it on a server imho, but thats just mho :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> Jucato: ^
[04:29] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i just dont want to fix what ain't broken
[04:29] <Jucato> probably. except the upgrade to Edgy is a bit scary. unless of course they're willing to do a fresh install, then Edgy is the way to go! :)
[04:30] <imbrandon> robotgeek: i used to say that too , untill i ran accross what your running accross now :) in my experince you will more likely break a system even if one or two things are backported then upgrade the whole system because of libs and interaction etc
[04:30] <imbrandon> so its a war between new shiney and stable :)
[04:31] <crimsun> I don't intro people to edgy.
[04:31] <crimsun> that way madness lies.
[04:31] <robotgeek> stable over shiny on this machine, i actually do some work on this one :)
[04:32] <imbrandon> Jucato: you must not have preformed many upgrades in your lifetime :) yes upgrading always is a bit tedius , its not a one click process like we would like it BUT its shitloads better than anything every prior on ANY os or distro :)
[04:32] <robotgeek> well, on kubuntu its mostly 3.5.5, which i already have. so, no biggie
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: I've ok'ed it for edgy-backports already (I see you did too anyway)
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: not sure about dapper :)
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: yeah. I've only done 2 upgrades. Breezy to Dapper and Dapper to Edgy. but Edgy was more tedious. and that's also based on a lot of users' experience (but they're usually at fault)
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: well thats edgy backports, it will take source changes to goto dapper
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong:
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: I thought so :)
[04:33] <robotgeek> imbrandon: i hope you remember that i am still a loyal ppc user :)
[04:33] <imbrandon> robotgeek: as am i :)
[04:33] <jdong> heck these days I don't remember what I've tried to build and what I' haven't :)
[04:34] <Jucato> jdong: or whether you've built them against the correct release? :P
[04:34] <imbrandon> jdong: thats why its good to stick to the proggrams you know, keeps the QA up
[04:34] <jdong> Jucato: I'm gonna smack you :)
[04:34] <crimsun> I remember at least one. It starts with an 'f' and ends with an "Oh no you're not!"
[04:34] <Jucato> jdong: well, you are geographically nearer to me than the other devs (I presume)
[04:34] <jdong> crimsun: hehe :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> crimsun: hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> hehe
[04:35] <jdong> for the record I've become much more careful after that :)
[04:35] <Jucato> only time will tell... :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> *COUGH*you still need to become a MOTU *COUGH*
[04:35] <imbrandon> heheh
[04:35] <Jucato> :)
[04:36] <jdong> imbrandon: that's on my todo list
[04:37] <imbrandon> jdong: i know, just rasin ya a bit
[04:37] <nixternal> hola!
[04:37] <robotgeek> imbrandon: congrats!
[04:37] <jdong> imbrandon: I'll come nag you when the time comes :D
[04:37] <crimsun> imbrandon: nice!
[04:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the local sysadmin job?
[04:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea the GSI one
[04:38] <ajmitch> sweet
[04:38] <nixternal> gsi the internet provider?
[04:38] <ajmitch> now you can be a bum no longer :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea
[04:38] <nixternal> isp rather
[04:38] <nixternal> holy jesus, in KC?
[04:38] <imbrandon> not ISP
[04:38] <imbrandon> hosting
[04:38] <robotgeek> free internet for all, lol!
[04:38] <nixternal> they used to ISP, and host
[04:38] <imbrandon> and colo stuff
[04:38] <nixternal> ya
[04:39] <nixternal> dude, they bought a company i used to work for
[04:39] <imbrandon> they dont do any end user internet though
[04:39] <nixternal> or partnered with them
[04:39] <nixternal> i met a couple of their techs a couple years back
[04:39] <ajmitch> so how will this cut into your ubuntu time?
[04:39] <robotgeek> imbrandon: congrats anyways, i gotta run now. bbl
[04:39] <imbrandon> yea they are huge, they bought a ton of companies
[04:39] <imbrandon> robotgeek: thanks
[04:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i dont think much, they actualy run all redhat and ubuntu boxen ( migrating to ubuntu )
[04:39] <nixternal> they used to have colo space at equinox in chicago when they took over 3rd coast..they took over all our win dns servers
[04:40] <nixternal> we had sun boxes they phased out
[04:40] <imbrandon> i mean obviously SOME, but i think they will be leanant with me too
[04:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[04:41] <nixternal> imbrandon: they used to have this admin, big mike i think...i called him cornfed...he was a big ol' boy
[04:41] <nixternal> he did all of the ms commerce servers
[04:41] <imbrandon> one thing i did find out that i can say without fear of the NDA ( LOL ) is visa ( as in the cc company ) and burgerking, and walmart are their 3 bigest customers
[04:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ^
[04:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not bad
[04:41] <ajmitch> someone get me a job, please :)
[04:41] <nixternal> imbrandon: if i remember correctly...they use a 3rd party for their db work, and my buddy jeremy does some db work either for them or some of their clients
[04:42] <crimsun> ajmitch: why not work for Canonical? :)
[04:42] <imbrandon> move here to kc, i sure i could, they seem to be hiring a ton of people ( they just opened the 3rd DC here in kansas city )
[04:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: they'd never have me :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: silly question, honestly
[04:42] <imbrandon> heh
[04:43] <crimsun> never know til you try
[04:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: no they do it inhouese, i went on a tour today and met a ton of people
[04:44] <nixternal> i will ask him...i did t1 conversions in KC years back (the sonnet their t1s were on..change the sonnet to a oc12 sonnet, which im sure is larger now)
[04:44] <imbrandon> crimsun: yea i had a little chat with him and mark at UDS that got my hopes up, but the process takes months from what benc and others told me
[04:44] <nixternal> i believe they have dual 48s now
[04:45] <imbrandon> nixternal: more like 7 ( pierd from 3 providers ) at each DC
[04:45] <imbrandon> is what i seen today
[04:45] <imbrandon> they run the 1and1 noc in KC and 2 of their own
[04:45] <nixternal> well i know 2 provers of anythign over oc12 in our region, att/sbc and global
[04:46] <imbrandon> anyhow , yes i was/am psyced about it
[04:46] <nixternal> i have a glass layout of the midwest from working on a dc build project the past 2 years
[04:46] <nixternal> thats cool bro, congrats
[04:46] <imbrandon> this is like my 2nd dream job ( other than canonical heheh )
[04:47] <nixternal> nothing like owning your company
[04:47] <imbrandon> yea there is , heheh, i hated running my own company, i mean i liked the freedom, but i hated all the "business" end of it
[04:47] <nixternal> i just need to make it profitable again
[04:48] <nixternal> i love the business end
[04:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: congrats anyway
[04:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch: thanks bro
[04:48] <imbrandon> i mean what can be better than to get paid to make sure a few hundred linux and sun boxen stay up and secure :)
[04:49] <nixternal> get paid for sitting on your arse ;p
[04:49] <nixternal> keeping you belly secure
[04:49] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <nixternal> ya, i have 2 prospects now which i have been donating a little time to...one is a startup in mexico ;) just where i want to be, and the other is a startup in london (not greece, but close enough)
[04:51] <crimsun> it's great, I don't even have a TODO. I have a DON'TDO
[04:51] <crimsun> everything else is a TODO :/
[04:51] <nixternal> hahah
[04:51] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha
[04:51] <nixternal> i wonder who added me to the op team
[04:51] <imbrandon> on LP ?
[04:52] <nixternal> ya
[04:52] <nixternal> one of 2 people from what i can see
[04:52] <imbrandon> hrm , probably a mistake as those have to be approved by the CC
[04:52] <nixternal> i got ops in motu at that
[04:52] <crimsun> everyone has ops in motu
[04:52] <nixternal> oh
[04:52] <crimsun> it's open access
[04:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:52] <imbrandon> crimsun: not anymore, i fixed that last night
[04:52] <crimsun> oh, right
[04:52] <imbrandon> err rob fixed that
[04:53] <nixternal> imbrandon: since when do they have to be approved by the cc?  don't see that anywhere..i just see 2 people that have the powah to hook ya up
[04:54] <nixternal> interesting
[04:54] <nixternal> now im not on the team..right as i said that too
[04:54] <nixternal> lol
[04:54] <imbrandon> nixternal: yes, they can physicly add you to the list , but new irc op team members have to be "ok"'d by the CC
[04:55] <imbrandon> always been like that afaik, but soon it will be done by the irc council
[04:55] <imbrandon> ( just like the forums council and motu one etc )
[04:56] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:04] <ajmitch> council grayskull!
[05:04] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[05:04] <ajmitch> ie, dholbach & the motu trinity
[05:05] <ajmitch> any bets on who it'll actually be?
[05:15] <imbrandon> no idea, i figured it would be dholbach laserjock me crimsun and you
[05:16] <imbrandon> but i guess we'll see
[06:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2549
[06:14] <Hawkwind> What exactly does a person have to do to get an app packaged for the next release ?
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Do we file a bug/wishlist or what ?
[06:15] <imbrandon> no you either a) package it and put it on revu b) convince a MOTU to doso c) add it to the list and *hope* someone see's it and cares to package it
[06:16] <imbrandon> ( here is the url for c) , but its the leaste likely for it to happen , https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates )
[06:16] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You'd be the one to care about it actually
[06:16] <crimsun> hint: (b) and (c) are less likely to attract attention
[06:16] <Hawkwind> It's a game that every distro has, except Ubuntu :(
[06:17] <imbrandon> :)
[06:17] <Hawkwind> I've tried to build it, but I'm not experienced enough in deb building to get it built
[06:18] <imbrandon> give me the url, i cant promis anything as i have a full plate and am starting a new job soon  BUT if i have time i can look at it ( i would keep searching for someone though )
[06:18] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: http://xu4.sourceforge.net
[06:19] <imbrandon> k
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Seems as old as this game is it would atleast be in Debian
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Well well, seems it is: http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/x/xu4/
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:21] <imbrandon> if its already packaged and will compile for feisty and isnt too crackfull i can sponsor the upload
[06:21] <Hawkwind> That's probably a 3rd party repo though
[06:21] <freeflying> Hawkwind: It's not in debian now?
[06:21] <imbrandon> that takes much less time to review and upload
[06:21] <Hawkwind> freeflying: No idea.
[06:22] <freeflying> Hawkwind: as imbrandon said above, you can upload to revu, and ask for sponsor upload
[06:22] <Hawkwind> freeflying: I'm not that good of a packager yet for *Ubuntu though is the problem
[06:23] <imbrandon> i'm grabbing the dsc now to look it over
[06:23] <imbrandon> i can spend the time to revu and uplaod it, just not too much time to packae sometrhing new atm
[06:23] <nixternal> i can take a crack at it if you would like imbrandon
[06:24] <imbrandon> nixternal: its already done
[06:24] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Seems there are 3 packages for it total
[06:24] <imbrandon> just needs revu'd
[06:24] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: ?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/u/ultima4-graphics-upgrade/
[06:24] <Hawkwind> http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/public/sarge/pool/ultima4/u/ultima4-data/
[06:24] <imbrandon> k
[06:24] <Hawkwind> You need all 3 packages for it to run
[06:26] <crimsun> it installs into /opt
[06:26] <Hawkwind> hawkwind@Britannia:~$ which ultima4
[06:26] <Hawkwind> /usr/games/ultima4
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Not here it didn't
[06:27] <imbrandon> hrm, i need to check the exact lic for the data files too
[06:27] <imbrandon> looks like they are public domain
[06:27] <imbrandon> but not sure
[06:27] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I'm looking at ultima4-graphics-upgrade
[06:28] <crimsun> yes, it needs to be overhauled
[06:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Hmmm, I installed the graphics package too, yet nothing in opt here for them
[06:30] <imbrandon> wow , yea these need a bit of love
[06:30] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Heh, I'm sure they do.  It's a very old game to say the least
[06:30] <crimsun> ah, "new paths"
[06:31] <imbrandon> if for notheing else but for man pages and copyrights etc
[06:31] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I do really appreciate you taking the time to look at it.  I don't like compiling things and this is one thing I've always compiled to play as I play it every single day
[06:32] <Hawkwind> I can't live without this game.....as it's where my nick comes from of course :)
[06:32] <imbrandon> heh yea, i played all the ultima's and UO
[06:32] <imbrandon> even made an server emu for UO
[06:33] <Jucato> heh
[06:33] <imbrandon> but those days are gone for me ( mostly , i revist them now and again )
[06:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I play xu4 for atleast 5 minutes each day.  Just to revisit those days :)
[07:33] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[07:34] <Jucato> is that Quinn_Storm the same Quinn Storm of beryl?
[07:35] <crimsun> yes.
[07:35] <Jucato> I thought Quinn was a "he"?
[07:35] <crimsun> no
[07:37] <Jucato> oh nvm... don't want to disturb him :)
[08:47] <nixternal> lol @ Jucato
[08:48] <Jucato> I presumed that Quinn was a "he" based on the picture put up in a Linux.com article
[08:50] <Jucato> ok... keep me in the dark :)
[09:01] <Mez> damnit
[09:01] <Mez> hooked on a new online game i found
[09:03] <nixternal> and that game is?
[09:07] <Jucato> is adept_notifier supposed to check for updates once in a while? what's the interval/time for this?
[09:08] <fdoving> Jucato: once a day. during cron.daily.
[09:08] <Jucato> ah thanks
[09:09] <fdoving> it's configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update
[09:09] <fdoving> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[09:10] <Jucato> thanks fdoving
[09:10] <fdoving> if you change that to 2, it's once every second day.. iirc.
[09:11] <Jucato> ah
[09:11] <fdoving> as you see in that file, you can configure apt to auto download updates too.
[09:12] <Jucato> yeah. and auto clean
[09:14] <fdoving> off to work.
[09:14] <fdoving> bye.
[09:15] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/
[09:15] <Jucato> oooh new interview
[09:16] <Riddell> he gets up at 8:30!  crazy man
[09:17] <seaLne> s/cr/l/ :)
[09:17] <Jucato> hehe
[09:26] <seaLne> Riddell: any idea if there is a group photo from uds-mtv?
[09:32] <Riddell> seaLne: no, there wasn't one alas
[09:45] <Mez> nixternal: slavehack.com
[10:18] <Riddell> seaLne: can you send me an invoice for sebas's t-shirt as used at Linuxbijeenkomst
[10:18] <Riddell> pgp signed e-mail is fine
[11:44] <seaLne> should kde work in feisty? after kdm i just get the background for during splash then nothing
[11:55] <Riddell> it should yes
[12:02] <seaLne> it doesn't for me unfortunatly
[12:03] <seaLne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33095/
[12:04] <seaLne> just sits there
[12:05] <seaLne> not sure that anything in .xsession-errors is related: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33096/
[12:06] <Riddell> seaLne: do you have /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap ?
[12:06] <seaLne> nope
[12:07] <seaLne> which dosen't seem to be in any package
[12:07] <seaLne> gnome won't start either
[12:09] <seaLne> kde won't start from gdm either
[12:10] <seaLne> and gnome won't start from gdm either
[12:11] <seaLne> and i was looking forward to having a working machine today after the lvm and mdadm stuff was fixed allowing me to boot :-)
[12:11] <seaLne> feisty is a lot less stable than dapper or edgy were at this time
[12:26] <gnomefreak> not to me
[12:36] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: your kdelibs upload yesterday failed to build.... I'm trying to fix
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just uploaded a fix
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ;) okay
[12:37] <Riddell> seaLne: KDE working fine for me in a chroot (which isn't the same as a full session right enough)
[12:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? works here
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: apparently it's running, but the window wont come up, nor can i seem to get into the options by hitting ctrl+c, like usual
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, isn't that due to your katapultrc file ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: try to remove ~/.kde/share/config, then killall katapult and relainch it
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, but i can usually bring it up by hitting alt+space, then ctrl+c
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i'm not removing my entire config dir :P
[12:42] <Tonio_> +katapultrc of course :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> bingo
[12:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:44] <Hobbsee> and my multimedia keys appear to have stopped working.  yay
[12:46] <kwwii> oops
[12:48] <Hobbsee> right, this doesnt look good
[12:48] <Hobbsee> 162 NoSymbol
[12:48] <Hobbsee> from running it thru xev
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: multimedia keys are fixed in kdebase upload I just did
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: strange really.......
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh right.
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and katapult doesn't work now ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> supposed to since the bug is fixed in feisty
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: didnt when i dist-upgraded.  does after removing katapultrc
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum......
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hmm.  ksensors seems to hate me too, and i uploaded that.  may just be a quirk with this laptop not supporting it
[12:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: seems not.
[12:57] <gnomefreak> well other than kernel and mdadm updates only thing left was kde updates and i didnt see anything that would cause apt to segfault
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: what version of apt ar eyou on?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: Version: 0.6.45ubuntu14
[01:01] <gnomefreak> not to find out how to get my version :(
[01:01] <Hobbsee> sorry?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i need to figure out what version of apt i have seeing as apt doesnt work i cant apt-cache
[01:02] <Riddell> nixternal, robotgeek: have you seen the kubuntu screencast? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5676029952918957384
[01:02] <Riddell> I wonder how we can bring that into the doc team
[01:02] <gnomefreak> synaptic crashes also :(
[01:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you cant use madison-lite or something?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: duh.  just check what hte latest version is in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:04] <gnomefreak> i used apt-get -v
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i have same version
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, i realised - hence the looking in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:06] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: your fully up to date?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm thats weird
[01:08] <gnomefreak> maybe not i guess its always listed as _usr_bin_apt-cache
[01:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: seem so
[01:11] <gnomefreak> most of the crash reports have big red X on them :( cant pen them
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:12] <gnomefreak> open*
[01:17] <gnomefreak> apt is python isnt it?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> smart certainly is
[01:21] <Riddell> apt is not python except the python-apt bindings
[01:24] <gnomefreak> clean install is looking very likely atm but i will be looking into this one as i find it weird
[01:31] <Roey> hi!
[01:31] <Roey> hey Riddell
[01:53] <Tonio_> hum, I'll probably have to finish the merging for all the package I work on or maintain to have time to do the samba stuff....
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: the good point is that the multimedia thing is about over now
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll just have to change the seeds when python-qt4 is installable and kubuntu-desktop works
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will probably now include the dvd ripping stuff, since that requires a bunch of multiverse apps
[01:56] <Tonio_> s/now/not
[01:57] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
[01:57] <Hobbsee|Remote> hey freeflying_
[01:57] <freeflying_> Hobbsee|Remote: hi
[01:59] <Riddell> hi freeflying_
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: there shouldn't be a need to wait to change the seeds
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: dose qt-3.3.7 patched with qt-immodule?
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay
[02:00] <Tonio_> python-qt4 isn't a build dep then ?
[02:00] <Tonio_> I'll do it today
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying: there's 5 immodule patches in there
[02:07] <Riddell> 13:01 < Riddell> freeflying: there's 5 immodule patches in there
[02:08] <freeflying_> Riddell: scim can not work with qt-3.3.7 in feisty now
[02:16] <Riddell> freeflying_: I did notice a lot of undefined symbols, I wonder if the visibility change means it needs recompiled
[02:26] <freeflying_> Riddell: recompile can not solve
[03:24] <seaLne> can anyone remind me how you can compare package version strings?
[03:30] <Riddell> dpkg --compare-versions 2 gt 1; echo $?
[03:31] <Riddell> seaLne: poke poke, about t-shirt invoice
[03:31] <Tonio_> if someone would like to revu dolphin and jabbin on revu, that would be nice :)
[03:31] <seaLne> Riddell: i can't send gpg email
[03:34] <Riddell> seaLne: non gpg then
[03:35] <seaLne> Riddell: what should the exit status be if its correct?
[03:35] <Riddell> 0
[03:35] <Riddell> 1 if wrong
[03:36] <seaLne> thanks
[03:42] <seaLne> Riddell: you didn't get rid of any in US?
[03:43] <Riddell> seaLne: two
[03:43] <Riddell> one of which imbrandon still has to pay for
[03:47] <seaLne> who got the other?
[03:47] <Riddell> oor Tonio_
[03:51] <Tonio_> ?
[03:51] <Tonio_> lemme read ;)
[03:52] <Tonio_> ah talkin' about shirts :) yeah I got one
[05:19] <nixternal> Riddell: i would either grab the video or at least link to it (the kubuntu screencast)...that has a good bit of info concerning updates
[05:21] <nixternal> I get an error when running this in what looks like Czech: &&
[05:21] <nixternal> Am I going insane?
[05:21] <nixternal> doh
[05:21] <nixternal> funny nevertheless Riddell..i will look into this and see what the issue is
[05:27] <danimo> heya
[05:27] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[05:28] <allee> hi danimo
[05:28] <danimo> heya allee
[05:29] <Riddell> hi danimo
[05:29] <danimo> looks like the kde 4 snapshot 2 debs were build without compositing
[05:29] <danimo> Riddell: in kwin
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: are there weekly builds in sight?
[05:30] <Riddell> I don't have any plans for weekly builds
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: or an easy way to set up an infrastrucuture to run such?
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: I'd hard the hardware
[05:30] <danimo> s/hard/have/
[05:31] <Riddell> I don't know of any infrastructure suitable for that, although it probably wouldn't be hard to script
[05:32] <danimo> Riddell: right
[05:32] <danimo> ok anyway, gtg
[05:33] <Jucato> Riddell: is the "official
[05:33] <Jucato> er.. sorry
[05:34] <Jucato> official IRC server for Ubuntu/Kubuntu irc.ubuntu.com already? or do we still tell people to connect to irc.freenode.net directly?
[05:34] <Riddell> irc.ubuntu.com is safer
[05:35] <fdoving> irc.kubuntu.org doesn't exist. :|
[05:35] <Jucato> Riddell: that's both for Kubuntu and Ubuntu, right?
[05:35] <Riddell> and every other project on freenode yes
[05:35] <Jucato> ah thanks :)
[05:39] <jdong> how comically recursive :)
[05:43] <nixternal> Riddell: when you got that error in smb4k, what exactly did you do?
[05:43] <nixternal> everything is in english so far for me
[05:59] <Riddell> nixternal: I just ran it
[05:59] <Riddell> ran it over ssh
[05:59] <Riddell> maybe my computer is set up strange, if it works for you I don't mind uploading
[06:04] <nixternal> hehe, did you get the message during building?
[06:04] <nixternal> im rebuilding with a buildlog.txt to look it over
[06:08] <nixternal> smb4k is actually a pretty cool program for newbs wanting to mount their win drives
[06:10] <nixternal> Riddell: my buildlog looks clear of any issues like that. i can paste it if you would like to see it
[06:13] <steveire> Hey. Is there some way I can get a signal from knetworkmanager when it connects to a network?
[06:15] <steveire> Any other way to get a signal will be fine too. Doesn't neccesarily need to be knetworkmanager.
[06:15] <steveire> Maybe I can use stat or something?
[06:18] <fabo> Hobbsee|Remote: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3509
[08:21] <Lure> ubuntu/kubuntu used for gnome/kde comparison: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[08:24] <zorglu_> 'gnome is better at installing new theme" <- :)
[08:24] <zorglu_> that's a winner then :)
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Better beleive it :)
[08:30] <seaLne> were the artists for feisty decided i vaguely remember reading something but don't remember who
[08:31] <Lure> seaLne: I think both nuno and ken will work on feisty
[08:31] <nixternal> seaLne: kwwii and nuno
[08:31] <nixternal> heh
[08:31] <nixternal> got me by 3 seconds
[08:34] <seaLne> k, thats what i thought i'd heard, any ideas about ubuntu?
[08:36] <imbrandon> ubuntu isnt decided yet afaik, you would have to ask the -art ML about that one
[08:36] <imbrandon> kwwii and nuno were choosen at UDS
[08:36] <seaLne> ta
[08:48] <kwwii> seaLne: cliff will be making the graphics for ubuntu
[08:48] <kwwii> re, and hi all
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Hi kwwii
[08:49] <kwwii> howdy DaSkreech
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Any big shakeups for feisty art?
[08:50] <kwwii> nope
[08:50] <Lure> just more purple ;-)
[08:50] <kwwii> we are probably not going to change anything at all :p
[08:50] <Lure> kwwii: powermanager icons?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> prettier icons? :-)
[08:50] <kwwii> actually, we will be pushing to look further
[08:51] <kwwii> so things like the help center, app start pages, etc.
[08:51] <kwwii> and we will be working on oxygen, of course
[08:51] <kwwii> which should appear in the kde4 packages
[08:51] <kwwii> Lure: the powermanager icons I made in CA should be the final ones :p
[08:52] <Lure> kwwii: right - we just need to prepare new package for feisty - hopefully already for herd1
[08:52] <kwwii> hrm, we should ping sebas about that...I think it is in the guidance svn though
[08:53] <Lure> kwwii: it is in svn, so I will probably ask Tonio_ when around to package it...
[08:53] <Lure> there are also some nice fixes included
[08:53] <kwwii> Lure: cool, good idea :-)
[08:54] <kwwii> ie, just don't ask me for it :p
[08:54] <kwwii> lol
[08:54] <kwwii> artists are known to be lazy
[08:54] <Lure> lol
[08:58] <imbrandon> moins kwwii
[08:59] <kwwii> hi imbrandon
[09:00] <kwwii> imbrandon: I heard taht you got a contract...true?
[09:01] <imbrandon> kwwii: not definate yet, some people were talking to me about one
[09:02] <imbrandon> on friday
[09:02] <kwwii> killer
[09:02] <imbrandon> :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> ( friday of the UDS )
[09:08] <DaSkreech> how was google campus?
[09:08] <imbrandon> kicked arse
[09:11] <nixternal> lol
[09:11] <nixternal> you should see the Google Chicago campus...it is quite silly
[09:12] <kwwii> playing robotron again (only for free this time) was the highlight for me
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Ha ha of course :)
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Any interesting goolge stories to tell?
[09:13] <kwwii> hrm....the food is amazing :p
[09:13] <kwwii> and they have nifty motorized scooters
[09:14] <imbrandon> yea i want one of those scooters
[09:14] <DaSkreech> I would have figured someone would bring up food. It's one ofthe perks of Google life
[09:14] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: check out the multitude of blog entries
[09:15] <DaSkreech> planet.ubuntu?
[09:15] <imbrandon> by almost everyone that went
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not there tonight neither tomorrow (gf at home)
[09:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: some of them
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Man I haven't gotten time to read fridge since before edgy came out :(
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll be there full time thursday or friday, send me an email if something needs to be done :)
[09:15] <Lure> Tonio_: no hurry - we have another week for herd1 (afair)
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: okay let's make a point thursday
[09:16] <Tonio_> I am attacked by a woman, have to go........................ !!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <kwwii> Tonio_: she does that to all of us, no worries
[09:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol
[09:20] <kwwii> haha
[09:23] <DaSkreech> What's ktalkd?
[09:24] <claydoh> http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19
[09:25] <claydoh> lightscribe worked for me
[09:25] <claydoh> tho in dapper
[09:25] <imbrandon> claydoh: what did you use for litescribe? i have a ls drive but never tried it in linux
[09:26] <claydoh> the lacie sofware recently released
[09:26] <claydoh> converted to debs
[09:26] <imbrandon> nice
[09:26] <imbrandon> got a url ?
[09:27] <claydoh> http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10803
[09:27] <imbrandon> cool, thanks
[09:27] <imbrandon> i'll try it this evening
[09:27] <claydoh> doesn'twork in edgy
[09:27] <imbrandon> ahh crap
[09:27] <imbrandon> heh
[09:27] <imbrandon> my ls drive is actualy in a feisty box
[09:27] <claydoh> make sure you use  "alien --scripts"
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh nvm i dont have any dapper boxes
[09:28] <claydoh> I did a dapper install just to get it to work
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh
[09:28] <claydoh> didn't like vmware, but I may try again
[09:28] <claydoh> a dapper Ubuntu didn't work either
[09:28] <imbrandon> heh i would rather just bug them to fix it
[09:29] <claydoh> nor fedora/mandriva/suse
[09:29] <imbrandon> or make it OSS
[09:29] <claydoh> yeah
[09:30] <claydoh> i think they uses HP stuff, but im sure someone will start a foss version once they are more common
[09:30] <imbrandon> heh they typo'd "ubuntu 6.6"
[09:30] <claydoh> my hp drive I just bought for 69$
[09:30] <imbrandon> not 6.06 :)
[09:31] <claydoh> the lightscribe was a bonus
[09:31] <claydoh> plus they mispelled ubuntu
[09:31] <imbrandon> yea thats what i have the hp drive , bout it for like 80$ a year ago
[09:31] <imbrandon> only used it once or twice for ls
[09:31] <claydoh> Unbuntu lol
[09:31] <seaLne> markers are just as easy to write on it :)
[09:32] <Riddell> nixternal: I got the error when running smb4k
[09:32] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea but not as cool looking :)
[09:32] <claydoh> yeah, but i am creating a special dvd for the family of someone who recently died, wanna spiff it up if I can
[09:33] <nixternal> Riddell: i didn't get an error at all when running it
[09:33] <nixternal> Riddell: it is working quite fine actually, and i kind of like it actually ;)
[09:34] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:35] <nixternal> i do get the error, but it is at least in english
[09:47] <nixternal> Riddell: i know the problem...it needs to be rebuilt with samba (>=3) as a build-dep
[09:49] <Riddell> nixternal: is that different from previous versions?
[09:49] <nixternal> nope
[09:49] <nixternal> they all say in the changelog "only works with samba 3+" but none of them are build-dep on it
[09:51] <ajmitch> nixternal: build-dep on samba, and not one of the libs, sounds a bit wrong
[09:51] <nixternal> heh, nm, it does depend on it
[09:51] <nixternal> samba-common
[09:51] <nixternal> i know the issue though, and im testing it local
[09:53] <nixternal> chmod +s `which smbmnt`
[09:53] <nixternal> i need to add that to the rules correct?
[09:53] <nixternal> once i did that, it works
[09:57] <nixternal> actually, that would call for a postinst script correct?
[09:59] <Lure> nixternal: true, not sure if +s is ok from security perspective (may have issues for main inclusion)
[10:00] <nixternal> i was thinking the same, however that is what smb4k documentation states is the fix for the error that Riddell and myself get from running it
[10:06] <ajmitch> nixternal: it's mildly insane
[10:07] <nixternal> hehe
[10:08] <nixternal> well, then we ship the package knowing it isn't going to work until they tweak it?
[10:10] <ajmitch> smbmnt is shipped by another package, right?
[10:12] <nixternal> i believe it is with smbfs
[10:12] <nixternal> but yes, it is shipped with another package
[10:13] <imbrandon> yea you should fix the other package if anything
[10:13] <imbrandon> not add it to that one
[10:17] <jdong> imbrandon: u know of any issues with amarok 1.4.4 and ipods?
[10:18] <jdong> imbrandon: here it seems to consistently fail at adding songs
[10:18] <jdong> imbrandon: i.e. it thinks it added it , but the ipod refuses to play it, and scanning shows that it's orphaned and stale
[10:21] <nixternal> ajmitch/imbrandon: I see another fix is to use the app "super"...can i just add that as a depend? and not worry about the chmod +s
[10:21] <imbrandon> hrm seems to work fine here ( and i just checked with some of the dev's in the amarok dev channel ) i'll do some deeper checking tonight
[10:22] <imbrandon> jdong: what EXACT version of 1.4.4 are you testing this on ?
[10:22] <imbrandon> so i can have my ducks in a row when i goto test it
[10:23] <jdong> imbrandon: 2:1.4.4-0ubuntu3 backported to edgy
[10:23] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm gonna reformat my ipod and give it a clean test
[10:23] <jdong> but I've only been using it with amarok
[10:23] <jdong> and I swear it worked great with 1.4.3 :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> yea works great with 1.4.4 too i use it daily , my ipod is indepensable
[10:24] <imbrandon> i think you might have just mucked something, but fyi 1.4.4-0ubuntu3 isnt backported yet, and shouldent be yet, needs some more love
[10:24] <imbrandon> please tell me you dident do that officialy
[10:24] <fdoving> gah.. this SRU stuff is soooo slow.
[10:25] <fdoving> imbrandon: might need you for a few new kopete uploads in some mins, if you're free..
[10:25] <imbrandon> fdoving: sure
[10:25] <imbrandon> i'm kinda in and out for the next 2 hours but i'll be here most of the day
[10:26] <fdoving> will a re-upload with the same version number override the old upload?
[10:26] <fdoving> when the upload hasn't hit any archive yet?
[10:26] <fdoving> or does it need a reject first?
[10:28] <imbrandon> you dont want to upload the same version numbers, BUT on that note i need to relook at the updates versioning beosue the way we were doing it also wont fly
[10:28] <Lure> allee: any plans for digikam 0.9.0 rc packages?
[10:28] <fdoving> hum? cjwattson said ubuntu2.1 would be fine for kopete in edgy-proposed?
[10:28] <imbrandon> right, that will
[10:28] <imbrandon> but not ubuntu3 as thats in feisty
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: it's not an official backport, no
[10:29] <fdoving> imbrandon: why not?
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: though I don't think 1.4.3 was ever synced
[10:29] <imbrandon> jdong: what are you talking about ?
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: so thinking about it perhaps we should cancel that backport request altogether
[10:29] <allee> Lure: good that you ask :)  I've uploaded rc1 ~ 30 min ago to sf.net
[10:29] <imbrandon> there should not be a backport for amarok in edgy backports atm
[10:29] <imbrandon> jdong: ^^
[10:29] <Lure> allee: great ;-)
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: no, there isn't
[10:29] <allee> Lure: I'll work on dapper pkgs tonight
[10:29] <jdong> imbrandon: but at one point you did ask for an edgy one
[10:30] <imbrandon> ahh if its still in the que , reject it
[10:30] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, will do
[10:30] <allee> Lure: not sure if I find time for edgy because, there I've to merge Tonio_ 's digikam/showfoto split.
[10:30] <imbrandon> ok fdoving sorry, got side tracked, where were we?
[10:30] <allee> Lure: so edgy maybe tomorrow.
[10:30] <jdong> imbrandon: rejected :)
[10:31] <fdoving> imbrandon: why ubuntu3 wouldn't do?
[10:31] <Lure> allee: ok, thanks
[10:31] <allee> Lure: I'll ask Mark later for an upload to debian.  So it should be ready to merge for feisty in some days.
[10:31] <imbrandon> fdoving: right, if ubuntu2.1 is in -proposed now it needs to be ubuntu2.2 then 2.3 etc, because ubuntu3 is in feisty, they cannot have the same version
[10:31] <imbrandon> as they are in the same pool in the archive
[10:32] <imbrandon> ( it mucks up upgrades and uterly confuses soyuz )
[10:32] <allee> Lure: I've to figure out how to handle branching in pkg-kde repo so buildserver.net autobuild dapper/edgy/feisty too
[10:33] <fdoving> imbrandon: i'm aware of that.
[10:35] <imbrandon> okies, thats all i was making sure of
[10:35] <imbrandon> did you find a way to look at the -proposed queue ?
[10:35] <fdoving> no.
[10:35] <fdoving> i can't.
[10:35] <fdoving> it's no public way to do that.
[10:36] <fdoving> have to ping the ubuntu-archive guys.
[10:36] <imbrandon> k
[10:36] <jdong> imbrandon: well, FWIW even adding new songs to my freshly formated 2G nano won't work...
[10:37] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm downgrading to official edgy amarok and seeing if that does anything
[10:37] <imbrandon> jdong: ok , like i said lemme get mine charged up and check it
[10:37] <imbrandon> but last i checked ( at uds , everything was working smooth )
[10:37] <Lure> Riddell: are you on -motu?
[10:37] <jdong> imbrandon: the songs appear to add, but when playing them they don't play (0:00)
[10:38] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like new xine depends on multiverse stuff all over :-(
[10:38] <jdong> imbrandon: and doing a repair scan shows everything as orphaned and stale
[10:39] <imbrandon> Lure: i'm looking at it now
[10:42] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, I've found the problem
[10:42] <imbrandon> ?
[10:42] <jdong> imbrandon: it starts with "jdong" and "foolishly backported libgpod0 from feisty when playing with gtkpod"
[10:42] <jdong> hehe :)
[10:42] <imbrandon> fool
[10:42] <imbrandon> there is a reason that hasent been done yet
[10:42] <imbrandon> heh
[10:42] <jdong> sorry for wasting your time :)
[10:42] <jdong> I forgot I did that
[10:42] <imbrandon> np
[10:48] <fdoving> imbrandon: is there a way to trigger a rebuild of an already uploaded package?
[10:48] <imbrandon> fdoving: yes
[10:48] <imbrandon> is that all it needs is a rebuild ?
[10:49] <fdoving> kopete hasn't hit -proposed yet.
[10:50] <fdoving> but for feisty i'm suspecting it can be enought. not sure yet. it's building fine in my pbuilders, both ppc and i386.. and it fails on ppc and i386 in the buildds, sparc and amd64 builds though.
[10:51] <imbrandon> fdoving: ok i'm going to work on this other thing i got going for a few , work out the kinks you need for your next upload and i'll sponsor it, meantime i'll get in touch with some of the archive masters and make sure me and Riddell are doing the -proposed thing correct
[10:52] <fdoving> imbrandon: i think you are. i've been in touch with cjwatson, he rejected the one with ubuntu3 version.
[10:53] <fdoving> Also, i've pinged tfheen to reject the kopete currently in -proposed.
[10:53] <imbrandon> k
[10:54] <Riddell> what's wrong with ubuntu3?
[10:54] <fdoving> Riddell: it must be ubuntu2.X for -updates
[10:54] <Riddell> mm
[10:54] <Riddell> did I upload 2.x as well?
[10:55] <imbrandon> ubuntu3 is in feisty, it must be less
[10:55] <nixternal> hrmm...when i run kdesu in feisty, and it asks for my password..i enter it, and it tells me it is wrong
[10:55] <fdoving> Riddell: you did, iirc.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> nixternal: yes its know Riddell is working on it last i heard
[10:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: known issue, will be fixed shortly ( Riddell already uploaded , just needs to be built afaik )
[10:55] <gnomefreak> known*
[10:55] <nixternal> ahh
[10:55] <nixternal> that is why we are getting that error Riddell
[10:56] <nixternal> heh, it doesn't utilize sudo correctly..doesn't get the correct password
[10:56] <gnomefreak> nixternal: its looking ofr su not sudo
[10:56] <nixternal> man, and that is why smb4k is giving us that silly problem even when selecting sudo or super
[10:57] <gnomefreak> i just hope todays work fixes the apt crashing
[10:58] <nixternal> woohoo, Riddell i just tested it in edgy, and as soon as the sudo stuff is working in feisty, then smb4k will work
[10:59] <Riddell> so it depends on a working kdesu?
[10:59] <nixternal> \o/ \o\ \o/
[10:59] <Riddell> I only tested it in edgy
[11:00] <nixternal> it works here in edgy once you set smb4k to use sudo, it ships w/o any user setup
[11:01] <nixternal> under settings, you goto "configuration", and down to "super user", and click the "use super user privilegest to mount and unmount shares" and it works as it ishould
[11:01] <nixternal> reminds me of the old linneighborhood app
[11:03] <Riddell> that needs patched then
[11:03] <nixternal> yup
[11:03] <nixternal> need to patch it so it automatically selects that, correct?
[11:07] <jjesse> if kvpnc doesn't install vpnc is that a bug in ubuntu or a bug in the package from upstream?
[11:07] <nixternal> jjesse: according to the package, it only suggests vpnc, and doesn't have it as a depend
[11:08] <nixternal> which seems odd to me?
[11:13] <nixternal> Run SUID=true
[11:13] <nixternal> SUID Program=sudo
[11:13] <nixternal> that is what i need to add i think
[11:14] <nixternal> Riddell: can you take a look at your ~/.kde/share/config/smb4krc  and look at the bottom under [Super User Privileges]  and see if there is any of that in there by default
[11:18] <jjesse> nixternal: hmm that is wierd because in order to connect to a cisco vpn you are required to install vpnc
[11:23] <jjesse> hello sarah :)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse
[11:24] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[11:24] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[11:33] <Riddell> allee: the dot won't publish stories about rc releases, we're pretty reluctant to publish releases at all (but major releases of digikam are cool)
[11:33] <allee> Riddell: heh, I kick Gilles, the pestered me to post on dot :(
[11:34] <Riddell> can't blame you for trying, and please do submit the final 0.9 release
[11:35] <jjesse> is there a daily build of feisty yet?
[11:35] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[11:36] <jjesse> can i change my sources.list to feisty and then upgrade?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: sure
[11:37] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell, allee
[11:37] <kwwii> Riddell: talked to Jarislaw (Kexi) about including names in the xdg spec for database/koffice apps...good idea or not?
[11:38] <allee> hoh, hoh, Hobbsee , I hope you had a nice extended breakfast
[11:38] <Hobbsee> allee: it's pre-10am, and i'm booking flights, etc
[11:38] <Hobbsee> allee: it's hardly a normal morning
[11:38] <fabo> jjesse: about kvpnc, not so weird because it's not just a front end to vpnc ...
[11:39] <allee> Hobbsee: flight?  To Germany?  <- would be great :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> allee: no, for my mother to adelaide :(
[11:40] <jjesse> hmm confusing because kvpnc says "it supports a cisco vpn" in adept
[11:40] <allee> Hobbsee: that's not fair ;)
[11:40] <Riddell> kwwii: sure, no reason why not
[11:40] <Riddell> kwwii: I've been poking mhb to make the changes to his database I need, then I'll try and spend some time on it
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: my ~/.kde/share/config/smb4krc has no [Super User Privileges]  in it
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: but it's best just to patch the line of code to change the default there
[11:42] <fabo> jjesse: but the 1st sentence is "KVpnc is a KDE frontend for various vpn clients." ;)
[11:43] <jjesse> hmm i still think its a little confusing
[11:43] <fabo> hehe
[11:44] <kwwii> Riddell: in addition, we might want to think about creating a theme for gnome apps running in KDE using oxygen icons (with the new names)...it probably wouldn't be that hard
[11:44] <fabo> Hobbsee, i have uploaded some packages on revu. you (and others), can take a look if interested ;)
[11:45] <Riddell> kwwii: well the whole point of the icon naming spec is that icons will work in both (although we'll have plenty icons that are only used in one desktop I'm sure)
[11:45] <nixternal> heh, im trying to find the line of code that does it, and i think i did in the smb4kfileio.h file
[11:46] <Riddell> nixternal: it'll be some call to kconfig, try grepping for "Super User Privileges"
[11:47] <nixternal> ya, i have the files that contain it...kconfig i will look for now
[11:47] <Hobbsee> fabo: yay :)  will do, later.  everything's crazy
[11:47] <fabo> np
[11:48] <Riddell> nixternal: it'll be a call to readConfig() where the second argument is the default incase there's no existing value
[11:49] <Riddell> (unless it uses kconfigXT)
[11:49] <kwwii> Riddell: exactly, but in the end, there will still be some mapping problems between the two that is the general idea
[11:49] <kwwii> anyway...it is time for me to sleep
[11:49] <kwwii> night all
[11:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you do those main inclusion reports?
[11:52] <imbrandon> for ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> libmtp and libnjb ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> yea those are done and approved and amarok is now uploaded and built against them
[11:52] <imbrandon> ( i'm still working on a new amarok upload for later tonight though thats merged from debian )
[11:53] <nixternal> kconfig *config()
[11:53] <nixternal> grepping the readConfig()
[11:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: graphicsmagick (and something else I'm sure0
[11:55] <Riddell> s/0/)/
[11:57] <imbrandon> ahh no , not done yet, i'll do those right now
[11:57] <Riddell> can you remember what the other one was?
[11:57] <imbrandon> no , i'll grep my irc log though
[11:57] <Riddell> :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sarah's crackful program of doom?
[11:57] <imbrandon> lol
[11:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you wrote prevu ? /me ducks
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hehe!  :)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> it seems that myself and Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  have become closely connected, in people's mind.
[12:00] <Riddell> kwwii: I replied off list to the dudes who were interested in the kubuntu webpage redesign, hopefully with them and the ubuntu webmaster we can get something going once the ubuntu webmaster has chosen a CRM he wants to use
[12:01] <jeroenvrp> when will the composite problem be solved - a lot of users have that problem
[12:01] <jeroenvrp> that flash does not work and crashes firefox etc
[12:02] <jeroenvrp> I know the workaround, but kubuntu should work out of the box
[12:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh it all makes sense now, i got a flood of emails this morning about my group changes on /ubuntu-website , and now that i look newzum made /kubuntu-website and added all the same people
[12:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:03] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: dunno.  does compiz even work with kubuntu?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: flash is closed, so we cant fix it
[12:04] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: and you'd probably have to ask the composite guys that, not us
[12:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yes compiz is DE netural for the most part ( if he is talkign about compiz and not composite )
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:04] <Hobbsee> er, what's the difference?
[12:04] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: yes its closed, but why turn it on and not turn it off by deafult - compiz only works great when having a faster videocard
[12:05] <imbrandon> composite is a technologie ( that has been in X for years )
[12:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.  and compiz is the bling
[12:05] <imbrandon> right
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> the only way for a lot of users, is to manually add the following lines at the bottom of xorg.conf
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> Section "Extensions"
[12:05] <jeroenvrp>        Option  "Composite" "0"
[12:05] <jeroenvrp> EndSection
[12:05] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: ok back up a bit here, whats is your problem ?
[12:06] <imbrandon> just so we're all on the same page
[12:06] <Riddell> flash has nothing to do with composite
[12:06] <imbrandon> thats what i was thinking
[12:06] <Riddell> well, maybe having composite on breaks flash
[12:06] <imbrandon> thats why i asked for the clarification
[12:06] <jeroenvrp> its not about composite, its not about flash, its about that option that should 0 at default
[12:06] <Riddell> anyway, flash is proprietry and therefor unsupported
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> when turning the Composite-extension off, flash does not make firefox crash anymore\
[12:07] <Riddell> and this channel does neither firefox nor X
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> and it works again in konq and FF
[12:07] <imbrandon> well we dont handle flash , ff, or X , but your best bet is to petition to the flash developers and have them fix it
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> sorry guys
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> this is bull
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> flash 7 or flash 9 do have the same problem
[12:08] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: we couldent do that even if we wanted, you can ask the X maintainer if he is willing to doso
[12:08] <imbrandon> but again we dont do X changes in here
[12:09] <jeroenvrp> yes I know the X maintainer should do it, in dapper composite was off by default, so there were no problems
[12:09] <jeroenvrp> and on another channel a user is very happy with me, because his flash is working now
[12:09] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: right, i'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying you are telling the wrong group
[12:09] <imbrandon> to get it "fixed"
[12:10] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: yes you are right, but the problem is that is a widely known problem and it seems no one wants to fix it
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> the workaround is simple
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> I sorry, I was a little biy angry
[12:11] <Riddell> I presume there's a reason why the X maintainers have set composite as they have


[00:01] <philballew> ianorlin, how did the tests work out?
[00:01] <ianorlin> pretty well I still find lots of obscure bugs because I am me
[00:02] <philballew> Apport is often like The boy who cried wolf.
[00:02] <philballew> Apport is the right spelling iirc.
[00:02] <ianorlin> yes
[00:04] <ianorlin> or when something crashes when you are downloading updates
[01:33] <nhaines> Is it meeting time yet?
[01:33] <ianorlin> not quite
[01:33] <nhaines> How 'bout now?
[01:34] <DonkeyHotei> no.
[01:35] <ianorlin> yes are we there yet"
[02:01] <pleia2> hey hey, meeting time!
[02:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:01] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Oct  6 02:01:25 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[02:01] <pleia2> #chair rww philballew
[02:01] <darthrobot> Current chairs: philballew pleia2 rww
[02:01] <rww> o/
[02:01] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14October05
[02:01] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14October05 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:01] <pleia2> we have an item!
[02:01] <pleia2> #topic 14.10 Release parties
[02:02] <pleia2> so, as far as San Francisco goes, bkerensa has been working to get us space at the SF Mozilla office
[02:02] <pleia2> us == the team (not me, I'll be out of town)
[02:02] <pleia2> jyo is going to be running this party
[02:02]  * ianorlin can't make it up there
[02:03] <jyo> o/
[02:03] <elky> o/
[02:03] <ianorlin> o/
[02:04] <pleia2> hopefully details for the SF party will be available soon, last I heard bkerensa was working to firm up the room reservation
[02:04] <pleia2> we also need this page updated, and a Utopic page created: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects
[02:04] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:04] <pleia2> can someone take care of that?
[02:04] <pleia2> Trusty Release should be moved to Completed and a similar Utopic page made
[02:04] <rww> I'll do it.
[02:04] <pleia2> thanks rww :)
[02:05] <pleia2> any other plans for parties anywhere in the state?
[02:05] <pleia2> nhaines? philballew?
[02:05] <rww> #action rww to update Projects page and add Utopic Release project
[02:05] <darthrobot> ACTION: rww to update Projects page and add Utopic Release project
[02:05] <nhaines> Unfortunately I'm at a convention that weekend!
[02:06] <rww> nhaines: which one?
[02:06] <nhaines> rww: Freedom From Religion Foundation National Convention.
[02:06] <rww> nice
[02:07]  * ianorlin doesn't really know people
[02:07] <nhaines> Should be fun.
[02:07] <nhaines> ianorlin: a party's a good way to get to know people.  :)
[02:07]  * ianorlin knows but I don't really want to ask strangers
[02:07] <elky> ask for what?
[02:08] <ianorlin> a place for a party
[02:08] <jyo> nhaines: but parties are often woefully lacking in USB ports. :( ;P
[02:08] <ianorlin> I think If I brought a desktop and bought like 2 pci cards I could have 17 usb ports
[02:09] <ianorlin> not sure my seasonic psu can handle that much 5v
[02:09] <pleia2> well, if anyone else on the team does want to run a party, several of us here have run them, so feel free to ask
[02:09] <pleia2> for help, recommendations, etc
[02:09] <pleia2> #topic Any Other Business
[02:10] <pleia2> SF Ubuntu Hour (and Debian Dinner!) coming up on Wednesday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2909-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[02:10] <rww> Reminder that council elections are in January, so you should be thinking about whether you want to nominate yourselves for that when the time comes.
[02:10] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:10] <rww> (you do)
[02:10] <nhaines> Spared from the tedious task of thinking!
[02:11] <jyo> you as in me or you as in you?
[02:11] <pleia2> everyone but pleia2
[02:11] <rww> ^
[02:11] <ianorlin> busy pleia2 is busy
[02:11] <pleia2> also have a Berkeley Ubuntu Hour coming up a week from now, next Sunday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2693-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/
[02:11] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:11] <pleia2> I want pizza, might go if I can sort out my schedule by then :d
[02:11] <pleia2> also yay Ubuntu
[02:12] <nhaines> +1 pizza
[02:13] <ianorlin> hmm do most of the socal people live around in LA
[02:13] <jyo> wow, haven't been to Bobby G's in years...
[02:13] <rww> i've still never been :[
[02:14]  * ianorlin hasn't either
[02:16] <pleia2> it's the best pizza around
[02:16]  * elky checks for compatibility
[02:17] <pleia2> they have gluten free
[02:17] <pleia2> For a gluten-free option, choose any small pizza and substitute our house-made dough for a 100% gluten-free (and vegan) Mariposa Bakery crust for an additional $3.00.
[02:17] <pleia2> :D
[02:17] <elky> yay
[02:17] <elky> maybe we'll get there one day
[02:17] <pleia2> ok, anything else before we wrap up?
[02:18]  * ianorlin doesn't have anything else
[02:18] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone :)
[02:19] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:19] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Oct  6 02:19:03 2014 UTC.
[02:19] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-10-06-02.01.moin.txt
[02:19] <nhaines> Thanks for chairing the meeting, pleia2.  :)
[02:19] <jyo> oh and someone somewhere at Mozilla is reserving a room, according to the last email Ben cc'ed me on.
[07:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: so yeah just waiting on one of the two people interested in hosting to file a ServiceNow request to book the space. Since its after business hours we would probably just book the commons for it which is the main event and all hands meeting room
[07:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: great, thank you :)
[07:06] <bkerensa> and I'm trying to find a hotel in SF
[07:06] <bkerensa> its pretty darn booked up
[07:06] <bkerensa> :s
[07:06] <bkerensa> except for the Hyatt but thats like $500 a night
[07:06] <pleia2> yowch
[07:06] <pleia2> I stayed at The Palace last night for $200
[07:06] <bkerensa> hmm
[07:07] <bkerensa> yeah also Mozilla can do airbnb now so once I get budget approval ill ask the travel agency to check that out
[07:07] <pleia2> that was low, probably a fluke or post-Oracle Open World pricing :)
[07:07] <bkerensa> would be nice to have a flat somewhere in the city
[07:07] <bkerensa> :D
[07:07] <pleia2> soexpensive
[07:07] <bkerensa> Airbnb is?
[07:08] <pleia2> having a place in the city!
[07:08] <bkerensa> ah yeah
[07:08] <bkerensa> probably why Moz SF employees are selling their homes and moving to PDX
[07:08] <bkerensa> :D
[07:08] <pleia2> I'd normally offer my couch, but not home and all
[07:08] <pleia2> no, they're doing that because SF isn't cool anymore
[07:08] <bkerensa> oh its ok Mozilla will find me a spot
[07:09] <bkerensa> worse case scenario I just sleep on the roof :P
[07:09] <pleia2> haha
[07:09] <bkerensa> I love dat view
[07:09] <pleia2> it is a nice roof, watch out for seagulls
[07:09] <bkerensa> oh yeah true
[07:44] <blitz> my apartment is right next to mozilla
[14:35] <ianorlin> good morning
[16:19] <pleia2> good morning
[16:57] <philballew> morning as well
[17:36] <nhaines> Good morning.
[19:38] <nhaines> I am quite pleased that Microsoft is sending me a replacement mouse and keyboard.
[19:38]  * nhaines readies the Ubuntu sticker for the Super key.
[20:27] <bkerensa> pleia2: jyo: rww: do you have an estimated amount of people who may come? Also could we end at 8? One of the hosts has to be home to her family by 9
[20:28] <bkerensa> She suggested ending at 8 and then maybe folks could go to Palamino next door and socialize more?
[21:57] <pleia2> bkerensa: again, I'm not going to be around so this is really jyo's thing :) but that should be fine
[21:57] <pleia2> jyo: can you chime in when you're about?
[21:57] <pleia2> not sure about numbers, last time we went by the RSVP list from loco.u.c
[22:02] <blitz> pleia2 what is this a ubuntu ca meetup?
[22:02] <nhaines> blitz: utopic release party.
[22:02] <blitz> oh, cool
[22:03] <pleia2> trying to firm up details so we can start telling people about it, it's creeping up fast
[22:06] <blitz> I have a palomino rewards card
[22:06] <blitz> we ate there like 4 times in a week during this slew of interviews, on the last one I got it to see what it was all about figuring we'd be back, haven't been since
[23:11] <nhaines> pleia2: I should read the UWN out loud and make a podcast.
[23:11] <pleia2> nhaines: do it :D
[23:12] <nhaines> I just need to figure out where to host it.  :)


[14:41] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +295 cases (now 1.6 million), +3 deaths (now 28034), +22870 tests (now 11.2 million) since a day ago


[00:56] <guiverc> Bashing-om, did a complete read-thru & looks great to me.
[00:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wow .. Well, I guess I did better than I expected ..:P
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[20:12] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP"- target time to publish 21:00 GMT.
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[21:05] <Bashing-om> Aaanndddd .. M/L is away .. and forum post done .. doing the re-directs next.
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[22:03] <guiverc> Bashing-om or Wild_Man - want me to publish #563 to fridge?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You please, as I have not seen hide nor tail of Wild_Man :)
[22:16] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/01/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-563/
[22:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Bots confirm :)
[22:33] <guiverc> g+, tweet even fb now done (my usual mewe additional also)
[22:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good man .. and SlidingHorn has done reddit :) I wipe Gdoc soonest .. and we do-it again :P
[22:39] <Wild_Man> i just got home
[22:39] <Wild_Man> I emailed you Bashing-om
[22:41] <Wild_Man> Thanks Bashing-om and guiverc , apologies I arrived to late
[22:42] <guiverc> no need to apologize Wild_Man
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I look at my inbox :P Gimme a bit kinda busy with support and other things right now .
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[22:44] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, no need to worry about the email it is not important
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[23:55] <Ratchet4620> is taht all i need to add in ?
[23:55] <engineer> ye that will probably work
[23:55] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: sudo apt-get install build-essential  (no s on the end)
[23:55] <engineer> Denise must be some bug with the application
[23:55] <Denise> or a bug with me
[23:56] <blondet> I'm going to "check out"... be good all you there. take care. :-)
[23:56] <Denise> bye
[23:57] <engineer> Denise is it annoying?
[23:57] <Denise> well
[23:57] <Denise> it gave me chills in the back to be true
[23:57] <Denise> like captain Scarlet and the mysterons
[23:58] <Denise> engineer
[23:58] <engineer> lol
[23:58] <engineer> what
[23:59] <Denise> I m living in a strange world
[23:59] <Denise> what about u?


[07:22] <mmrazik> thomi: around?
[09:11] <dandrader> ping mzanetti
[09:11] <mzanetti> hey dandrader
[09:11] <dandrader> mzanetti, hi. Should I avoid using qml's SignalSpy for now?
[09:11] <dandrader> because of its bug
[09:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: well.. depends... if you wanna check if singals are emitted, you have to use it. but yeah, be careful with absolute signal count comparisons
[09:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: spy.wait() works pretty well
[09:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: just spy.count is bogus
[09:13] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok
[09:13] <mzanetti> dandrader: spy.clear() works (sets count to 0) but next time the signal is triggered, it goes again up to where it was +1
[09:13] <dandrader> ah, got it
[09:13] <mzanetti> dandrader: and I found the issue you had with the greeter tests *finally*
[09:13] <mzanetti> dandrader: the issue was the tests being executed _before_ the user list was loaded
[09:13] <dandrader> mzanetti, did you fix it already. they run fine for me yesterday
[09:14] <mzanetti> dandrader: I fixed it, but only in my jenkins testing branch
[09:14] <nic-doffay> Saviq, mind giving further thoughts on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/unity/page-header-test/+merge/155242
[09:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: oh hey! I can have a look too if you want
[09:14] <nic-doffay> Yeah thanks mzanetti anyone really with something to add.
[09:16] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: one hint: because the keyClick() is very cumbersome when typing whole words, we introduced a function typeString("foobar")
[09:16] <nic-doffay> Awesome, I'll replace them.
[09:16] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: if you want to use it, you only need to use UnityTestCase {} instead of TestCase {} and it'll be available
[09:17] <Saviq> nic-doffay, your condition is incorrect, the label overflows the search entry
[09:18] <Saviq> nic-doffay, narrowMode: parent.width < label.contentWidth + units.gu(50)
[09:18] <mzanetti> Saviq: you wrote the search thing... wouldn't it be required to call triggerSearch() before typing the text in order to put input focus to the textfield?
[09:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah
[09:19] <mzanetti> hmm... can't see that test passing then... lemme try running it
[09:19] <dandrader> mzanetti, btw, did you propose a fix for the SignalSpy issue to Qt?
[09:20] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you want to be in narrow mode if there's not enough space - i.e. "label.contentWidth + units.gu(50)" - units.gu(50) being the size of expanded search entry + margins
[09:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: no... not had the time yet.
[09:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, test_reset_search doesn't actually type into the box (you need triggerSearch first - and verify it's typed in)
[09:23] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and add the test to CMakeLists.txt
[09:23] <mzanetti> Saviq: nic-doffay: yeah, the triggerSearch() thing affects most of the tests
[09:25] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: test_resize_disable_search_by_width fails here. this is not what it does. if the window gets too small, it just hides the searchField from the header, but triggerSearch() would still bring it in.
[09:26] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: to check that you maybe could compare the y value of the textField
[09:26] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: if the search is NOT triggered and the windows is small, y should be negative I guess (because its moved to above the header)
[09:29] <nic-doffay> Thanks for the comments guys, could you leave them on the MP? Saviq mzanetti
[09:29] <Saviq> nic-doffay, k
[09:30] <mzanetti> sure
[09:35] <nic-doffay> thnx
[09:44] <dandrader> mzanetti, do you know how to get the signal arguments out of SignalSpy. Not having much success with SignalSpy::signalArguments
[09:45] <mzanetti> dandrader: it should be a array
[09:46] <mzanetti> dandrader: in C++ its a QVariantList
[09:46] <mzanetti> dandrader: which can hold other Q*Lists of course.
[09:46] <dandrader> ah ok. that might explain my problems with it
[09:46] <mzanetti> Saviq: so it might be even a 2-dimensional array
[09:46] <mzanetti> dandrader: ^^
[09:47] <mzanetti> sorry Saviq
[09:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, uff
[09:47] <mzanetti> Saviq: I commented on nic's MP to one comment you made
[09:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, of course, sorry
[10:05] <mzanetti> mmrazik: hey
[10:05] <mzanetti> mmrazik: this doesn't seem to be temporary: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/unity-phablet-mods-quantal-i386-autolanding/4/console
[10:06] <mzanetti> mmrazik: ccache permission denied that is
[10:07] <mmrazik> mhm
[10:09] <mmrazik> mzanetti: I have no clue what it is :-/
[10:09] <mmrazik> mzanetti: and I feel particularly bad today so I will most likely end up in the bed soon :-/
[10:09] <mzanetti> mmrazik: hmm... does it only happen with unity-phablet-mods so far or did others complain too?
[10:10] <mmrazik> mzanetti: phablet-mods is the only project where I've seen it so far
[10:10] <mmrazik> but then kinnara is fairly new
[10:11] <mmrazik> mzanetti: do you know if it happens only with a single branch?
[10:11] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know? ^
[10:11] <mmrazik> mzanetti: tsdgeos have seen this couple of times apparently
[10:11] <mmrazik> btw is it just me or irc.canonical.com doesn't work?
[10:11] <mzanetti> mmrazik: yeah... its the same as yesterday...
[10:11] <mzanetti> irc works for me
[10:12] <mmrazik> interesting.. I'm getting connection reset by peer
[10:12] <mzanetti> mmrazik: well. I didn't disconnect in the last few days
[10:13] <mzanetti> but I see other people in there that don't have a bouncer set up... so It should work
[10:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's the only project/branch we've seen there
[10:14] <mzanetti> failing?
[10:14] <Saviq> yes
[10:14] <mmrazik> did tsdgeos feed jenkins as I suggested yesterday?
[10:15] <mmrazik> it really looks to be personal
[10:15] <mzanetti> hmm... so there might be a change that produces a filename with special chars or the like
[10:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, mmrazik, but, it won't build on quantal without that MP, so not sure what to do :/
[10:15] <mzanetti> hm... thats a tricky one
[10:15] <mmrazik> mzanetti: AFAICS it always seems to be a different file
[10:16] <Saviq> yeah
[10:16] <Saviq> it's random
[10:16] <Saviq> but only quantal i386
[10:16] <mmrazik> mzanetti: I'll try to build couple of time directly on kinnara
[10:16] <mmrazik> just to see if there is some pattern with the filenames
[10:17] <mzanetti> Saviq: it works! http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests/
[10:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, awesome
[10:17] <mzanetti> yeah! this is freakin awesome :D
[10:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, can we get rid of Files / Packages?
[10:18] <Saviq> ym
[10:18] <Saviq> Conditionals/Packages?
[10:18] <mzanetti> Saviq: I'll try. this is the very first time I dig into cobertura internal
[10:18] <mzanetti> s
[10:18] <mzanetti> Saviq: conditionaly is always 0
[10:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah, so you had to fake the lines ;)
[10:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah
[10:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, "Conditionals   100%"
[10:19] <mzanetti> 0/0 => 100% :D
[10:19] <Saviq> not true
[10:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: for jenkins/cobertura it is :D
[10:19] <Saviq> ;)
[10:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: package is always 1 as I didn't bother to split the xml in directories or whatever
[10:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, k got it
[10:26] <mmrazik> mzanetti: I executed the same pbuilderjenkins command as jenkins on kinnara and the branch is at ~70%
[10:26] <mzanetti> mmrazik: you also executed it directly on kinnara, right?
[10:27] <mmrazik> mzanetti: yup
[10:27] <mzanetti> mmrazik: but yeah.. remember my qmluitests yesterday?
[10:27] <mzanetti> the jenkins call would stall, but manually it passed
[10:28] <mmrazik> mzanetti: it might be that if you try long enough it will start to wok. Will need to check sources of pbuilder. I already did that once but can't remember what exactly it is doing with the permissions in the dir
[10:28] <mmrazik> but it is doing somethin there
[10:28] <mzanetti> mmrazik: hmm... ok. then we'll keep on triggering rebuilds in the meantime?
[10:29] <mmrazik> mzanetti: mhm... my build was successful. let me trigger the build from jenkins
[10:51] <mmrazik> mzanetti: it failed in jenkins :-/ http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity-phablet-mods-quantal-i386-ci/15/console
[10:52] <mzanetti> mmrazik: the manual run you did, it did use ccache, right?
[10:53] <mmrazik> mzanetti: mhm... can't tell doing it again
[10:53] <mmrazik> but it should
[10:53] <mzanetti> mmrazik: on kinnara in /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/2/d/ there are exctly those filenames with a weird userid
[10:54] <mzanetti> mmrazik: lemme try deleting those and retrigger
[10:54] <mmrazik> mzanetti: all the files have weird userids
[10:54] <mmrazik> mzanetti: thats what pbuilder does
[10:54] <mzanetti> mmrazik: ok... still its only that file here... all the others are gone
[10:54] <mmrazik> mzanetti: pbuilder certainly changes everything in the ccache dir recursievly upon start
[11:03] <mmrazik> mzanetti: the "manual" build is using ccache
[11:04] <mmrazik> there are plenty of files like "./d/5/72293cdf9dcfdea731281aafa9da79-5724171.o.tmp.stdout.kinnara.178080" being created with no issues
[11:06] <mzanetti> mmrazik: yeah... could it be some collision in /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/ that one tries to create those files and another one cleans up the dir in the meantime?
[11:06] <mmrazik> mzanetti: I'm trying to do the same with su -l jenkins now
[11:06] <mzanetti> mmrazik: I know its unlikely, but I'm a bit lost what else could be happening
[11:06] <mmrazik> mzanetti: I was thinking of that too but then it would be very strange we didn't see it before
[11:07] <mzanetti> mmrazik: indeed after the failure there are only the one or two files he complains about left over. everything else is gone...
[11:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: so... here it is: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity/phablet-deps-update/+merge/155701
[11:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, you really need to like python more :D
[11:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: when I started the script I _really_ didn't expect it to create cobertura reports :D
[11:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, why demo assets?
[11:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: the greeter for now :/
[11:21] <Saviq> right
[11:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: once the lightdm branch is merged, they can go again
[11:23] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just wanted to run inotifywatch to see if would work at all. it immediately worked that well that I got curious if generating the xml would work
[11:23] <mzanetti> by the time i realized bash is really not the way to go it was too late :D
[11:31] <mzanetti> ouch... 29 open MPs
[11:31] <mzanetti> thats going to clash once we can merge again
[11:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, we really need to resolve the unity-mods issue :/
[11:35] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok... I can't really continue with the jenkins job anyways as long as the latest MP isn't merged.
[11:35] <mzanetti> I'll get that mods thingie merged somehow :D
[11:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, before you do that, can you mumble?
[11:37] <mzanetti> Saviq: sure
[11:39] <mmrazik> mzanetti: FYI -- I'm trying to disable ccache for this build right now
[11:44] <Saviq> mmrazik, thanks
[11:45] <mmrazik> mzanetti: nasty but seems to work: https://code.launchpad.net/~mrazik/cupstream2distro-config/mods-workaround/+merge/155709
[11:45] <mmrazik> http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity-phablet-mods-quantal-i386-ci/19/console
[11:46] <kaleo_> Saviq: you aware that search does not work anymore in dash?
[11:46] <Saviq> kaleo_, it works, only it crashes :P
[11:46] <kaleo_> Saviq: the textinput closes as soon as I type
[11:46] <Saviq> kaleo_, on device? exact steps please?
[11:47] <kaleo_> Saviq: Nexus 10, tap on search field in people lens, type one letter
[11:47] <Saviq> kaleo_, crashes here, doesn't for you?
[11:47] <kaleo_> Saviq: nope
[11:48] <kaleo_> Saviq: iso from yesterday
[11:48] <Saviq> iso? ;)
[11:49] <mzanetti> mmrazik: ok... fine with me if we can unblock unity/phablet with it...
[11:50] <mzanetti> mmrazik: I somehow have the feeling that the issue will come back in some form though
[11:50] <mzanetti> approved
[11:52] <Saviq> mmrazik, thanks
[12:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/unity-phablet-mods-quantal-i386-autolanding/9/console looks like the change didn't get through yet?
[12:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah... with this cupstream2distro stuff we write the configs now in a bzr repo and it needs to be deployed to jenkins. I don't know yet how that works.
[12:16] <mzanetti> mmrazik: will you ping us when the disable ccache fix is applied to jenkins?
[12:16] <mmrazik> mzanetti: just did it
[12:16] <mzanetti> awesome. thanks mmrazik
[12:18] <dednick> mmrazik: ping
[12:18] <mmrazik> dednick: pong
[12:19] <dednick> mmrazik: morning. how can i get to the recordmydesktop videos for ap tests on jenkins?
[12:19] <mmrazik> dednick: can you point me to a jenkins job?
[12:19] <mmrazik> or merge proposal?
[12:20] <dednick> mmrazik: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-unity-100scopes-experimental-autopilot-release-testing/20/
[12:21] <mmrazik> dednick: you first need to choose a configuration, then click on "Build artifacts" and then they are in the directory results/artifacts
[12:21] <mmrazik> here for ati:
[12:21] <mmrazik> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-unity-100scopes-experimental-autopilot-release-testing/20/label=autopilot-ati/artifact/results/artifacts/
[12:22] <dednick> mmrazik: great! thanks
[12:24] <Saviq> kaleo_, it's a keyboard regression
[12:27] <kaleo_> Saviq: darn
[12:27] <kaleo_> Saviq: logged?
[12:27] <Saviq> kaleo_, not yet I don't think so
[12:27] <kaleo_> bug #1160630?
[12:27] <Saviq> kaleo_, hmm well
[12:27] <Saviq> kaleo_, it's possible to type into the messaging menu
[13:11] <MacSlow> kenvandine, the scrolling in the new (QML)-gwibber is sooo nice!
[13:13] <nik90> kenvandine, is there an ETA on when the QML-gwibber will land in 13.04 by default?
[13:14] <kenvandine> nik90, as soon as the MIR bug for the qt packages is approved, bug 1157732
[13:14] <kenvandine> MacSlow, thanks :)
[13:15] <nik90> kenvandine: ok...it looks great!! thanks
[13:16] <kenvandine> nik90, thanks
[13:25] <mzanetti> Saviq: I think we will merge this one when it adds back the "check" target, right? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet.unittests_new-cmake/+merge/154401
[13:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: because MacSlow would need this in his tests and I'm thinking if he should depend on this MP or not
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm actually working now on something very similar
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, be there in 10
[13:27] <mzanetti> MacSlow: ^^ please sync with saviq on this one
[13:27] <MacSlow> Saviq, I wait for that thing you working on then
[13:27] <MacSlow> Saviq, any brach I could peak at to get an idea of what's coming?
[13:28] <Saviq> MacSlow, not yet
[13:28] <MacSlow> Saviq, ping me when you're ready
[13:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: mmrazik|afk: merged! https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/phablet-mods-cherrypicked/+merge/155469
[13:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, old news :D
[13:30] <mzanetti> haha
[13:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: does that mean we can merge in the shell again?
[13:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, soon
[13:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, we need to push a version bump, can you prepare a bump to 7.81 please?
[13:32] <dednick> kgunn: are we having the review meeting today?
[13:32] <mzanetti> Saviq: ack
[13:32] <kgunn> dednick: yep
[13:32] <mzanetti> kgunn: hey! I've got something nice for you :) (unless thats already old news too)
[13:32] <kgunn> dednick: on hang out....let me know if you need me to dial in
[13:33] <kgunn> to conf call that is
[13:33] <kgunn> mzanetti: oooo, tell me
[13:33] <mzanetti> kgunn: http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests/
[13:34] <mzanetti> kgunn: and this http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests/38/cobertura/qml_phone_shell/
[13:36] <kgunn> mzanetti: Saviq dandrader  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5e9eec5b9e0f2e2903f09967025198df1acaf186
[13:36] <Saviq> oh it's that time
[13:37] <dandrader> kgunn, so no phone conference call?
[13:38] <kgunn> i can...hang on
[13:38] <dandrader> gotta fetch my laptop then (where g hangouts work)
[14:06] <seb128> dednick, hey
[14:06] <seb128> dednick, is there any reason you didn't merge propose https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/smart-scopes.lp1159200 ?
[14:07] <seb128> I just ran into a segfault with the ppa
[14:07] <seb128>  #0  __strlen_sse2_bsf () at ../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/strlen-sse2-bsf.S:50
[14:07] <seb128>  No locals.
[14:07] <seb128>  #1  0xb23822ba in unity::dash::ScopeProxy::Impl::OnScopeActivateCallback(_GObject*, _GAsyncResult*, void*) () from /usr/lib/libunity-core-6.0.so.5
[14:07] <seb128>  No symbol table info available.
[14:07] <seb128>  #2  0xb626b795 in g_simple_async_result_complete (simple=0xbc00c00) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.0/./gio/gsimpleasyncresult.c:777
[14:07] <seb128>
[14:07] <seb128> I wonder if your vcs would fix it?
[14:09] <seb128> dednick, seems to be reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1157351
[14:09] <dednick> seb128: ya, there are a few bugs.
[14:09] <dednick> seb128: five ma a sec
[14:11] <dednick> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/smart-scopes.lp1159200/+merge/155742
[14:11] <seb128> dednick, thanks ;-)
[14:11] <seb128> dednick, do you think it should fix the segfault I just mentioned?
[14:11] <dednick> seb128: probably
[14:11] <seb128> excellent
[14:11] <seb128> btw, while I'm here
[14:12] <seb128> who knows/is working on the indash payment
[14:12] <seb128> the text is not well displayed for me, it goes out of the text area/isn't wrapped as it should
[14:12] <seb128> is that known?
[14:12] <dednick> seb128: mandel
[14:14] <seb128> dednick, thanks
[14:21] <dednick> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/smart-scopes.autopilot-build-20/+merge/155737
[14:21] <mzanetti> om26er: hey... we just had a hangout in for the shell team and don't see the need for a standup today
[14:22] <mzanetti> om26er: do you have anything to report or ask?
[14:22] <seb128> dednick, was that supposed to be for sil2100? ;-)
[14:23] <dednick> seb128: sorry, yes :)
[14:23] <dednick> sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/smart-scopes.autopilot-build-20/+merge/155737
[14:23] <seb128> no worry ;-)
[14:23] <om26er> mzanetti, no, not anything in particular, also i turns out I would not have made either there seems to be a network problem in the whole country and the neighboring countries as well due to a link break in the sea.
[14:23] <om26er> so internet is slow and not suitable for calls
[14:24] <mzanetti> om26er: ok.
[14:26] <mzanetti> om26er: I'll be off for a full week now.
[14:26] <om26er> mzanetti, starting tomorrow ?
[14:26] <mzanetti> om26er: but in case you want to continue with indicator autopiloting, you should be able to find people here that can help you
[14:26] <mzanetti> om26er: yes, starting tomorrow
[14:26] <mzanetti> om26er: well. basically starting now
[14:26] <om26er> mzanetti, i am currently on the calculator tests, they are not much.
[14:27] <om26er> mzanetti, who exactly will be more relevant for the shell help ?
[14:27] <mzanetti> om26er: for everall shell -> Saviq
[14:27] <mzanetti> om26er: for the indicators dropdown thingie -> greyback
[14:28] <om26er> mzanetti, so you think the indicators are now in a working state now ? or were we missing something last time and everything was actually working ?
[14:29] <mzanetti> om26er: tbh I still don't know... have mostly been fighting Jenkins in the last 2 weeks
[14:29] <mzanetti> om26er: but the easiest way to try would be to run chewie-client
[14:30] <mzanetti> om26er: btw. chewie-client also completely lacks tests... thats where the actual indicator content tests should go
[14:30] <mzanetti> om26er: while in the shell there should be only tests to make sure that chewie-client gets plugged in correctly
[14:31] <sil2100> dednick: thanks! Will check it out in a moment
[14:31] <mzanetti> om26er: on chewie-client I think oSoMoN and/or renato could help. you can find both in #ubuntu-touch
[14:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, did you manage to push the unity release bump?
[14:33] <mzanetti> Saviq: doing now... sorry.. the meeting...
[14:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's fine
[14:37] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity/phablet-release-1.65/+merge/155747
[14:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, cheers
[14:38] <mzanetti> Saviq: you said you are changing "make qmluitests" in a way that it continues to execute tests if one of them fails?
[14:38] <mzanetti> Saviq: did I understand that correct?
[14:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah
[14:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: perfect... I'll remove that from my todo then :)
[15:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/phablet-mods.bump-release/+merge/155758 please in the mean time
[15:17] <Saviq> MacSlow, here's the more flexible CMake
[15:17] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/phablet.flexible-cmake-macro/+merge/155759
[15:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, I've the the QML-UI test for the notification-renderer working by now... if you want to take a look lp:~macslow/unity/phablet-notification-renderer
[15:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, needs some polish... but basically working as expected with mock notifications
[15:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, cool, thanks
[15:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, "secondaryIcon.visible ? units.gu(11) : units.gu(8)"
[15:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, you should anchor to secondaryIcon instead
[15:23] <MacSlow> Saviq, true
[15:23] <MacSlow> thx
[15:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, "width: secondaryIcon.visible ? units.gu (25) : units.gu (28)"
[15:23] <Saviq> anchor to the right instead
[15:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, I'd probably s/Bubble/Notification/
[15:28] <Saviq> MacSlow, and no need to put Bubble.qml alone in Bubble
[15:29] <Saviq> MacSlow, "Bubble: Binding loop detected for property "height""
[15:29] <MacSlow> Saviq, there are going to be different types... so I wanted to keep it separate.
[15:30] <MacSlow> Saviq, yeah... know about that runtime-warning... trying to sort it out
[15:30] <Saviq> MacSlow, that means you're binding a property to itself / something that's already dependant on that property
[15:31] <Saviq> MacSlow, I'm not sure there need to be multiple types, it can be a single component, IMO, that "morph" to different layouts depending on its type
[15:31] <Saviq> MacSlow, anyway, that's just a quick look
[15:32] <Saviq> MacSlow, will go through it properly tomorrow
[15:32] <MacSlow> Saviq, sure thanks
[15:43] <popey> JohnLea: could you look at bug 1160974 when you have a moment and let me know if it's intentional or not.. (there's a video)
[15:43] <popey> (please)
[15:58] <seb128> popey, that's not new is it?
[15:58] <seb128> it was already doing that in quantal (and precise?)
[15:58] <popey> i cant remember now ☺
[15:59] <seb128> popey, the main issue on your video is "it's loading ... yeah, still loading ... will eventually load ... oh, there we go ... almost ready ... yeah, good"
[15:59] <popey> yeah, that too
[15:59] <popey> i never really had that many categories in 12.04 or 12.10
[15:59] <popey> so there's certainly more flickering of the category because I'm seeing more stuff so scrolling more
[15:59] <seb128> right
[16:00] <seb128> I think the rational was to show that you can click on the "show more result" expander
[16:00] <popey> bug 1158044
[16:00] <popey> thats the slow loading one
[16:20] <mterry> fginther, so..  could we start putting projects into auto-upload for the daily-build-next PPA?
[16:29] <fginther> mterry, are you talking about auto-merge jobs?
[17:03] <dednick> sil2100: can you give a quick review please? https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity/smart-scopes.autopilot-build-20/+merge/155737
[17:10] <sil2100> dednick: ah, shit! Sorry, completely forgot about it as I was busy with Qt5 stuff ;) Sorry, checking it now!
[17:11]  * sil2100 has a crazy day today
[17:12] <dednick> thanks. no problem
[17:15] <sil2100> dednick: approved, really nice fix
[17:16] <dednick> sil2100: thanks
[17:21] <mterry> fginther, sorry, didn't see your reply
[17:22] <bschaefer> dednick, im also around for reviews...im looking into this rendering problem...
[17:22] <mterry> fginther, there are two things: autolanding (automatic commits) and autouploading (push to PPA)  -- are there more standard words for those?
[17:22] <dednick> bschaefer: cool. thanks
[17:22] <mterry> fginther, I was talking about both I guess
[17:24] <bschaefer> dednick, np
[17:24]  * bschaefer wonders if clipping is to blame with the scroll view...
[17:52] <fginther> mterry, I guess auto-upload is the most accurate name, just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding...
[17:52] <mterry> fginther, we used to use autodidrocks for that, but I've fallen to just saying autoupload   :)
[17:53] <fginther> mterry, so I only thought we were waiting until the daily release tools and process was ready
[17:54] <mterry> fginther, I guess that was my question.  Is that really a question for didrocks?
[17:55] <fginther> mterry, yes
[17:55] <mterry> k
[17:55] <fginther> mterry, I think upstream can start updating jobs at any time
[17:56] <mterry> fginther, I believe we already have autolanding for most of the phablet stuff right?
[17:56] <fginther> mterry, yes, I believe everything in the phablet dir is autolanding
[17:57] <mterry> fginther, cool.  Will bug didrocks about autouploading later
[17:57] <fginther> mterry, excellent
[18:11] <mhr3> mterry, ping
[18:11] <mterry> mhr3, hi
[18:11] <mhr3> mterry, hey there, didrocks told us yesterday that you'd be able to push new unity stack into the smart scopes ppa
[18:12] <mhr3> is that something you have a moment to do?
[18:13] <mterry> mhr3, hrm, OK... Where is the new unity stack now?
[18:13] <mterry> mhr3, (I don't have a lot of context, haven't been working on 100scopes)
[18:13] <mhr3> mterry, but like in a moment, we're still merging a few branches
[18:13] <mhr3> mterry, is it enough if i give you ppa where it ends up?
[18:14] <mhr3> branches have autolanding, and there's daily job that pushes it there
[18:14] <mhr3> we just want one extra update before tomorrows daily
[18:14] <mterry> mhr3, OK
[18:14] <mterry> mhr3, ah!  OK.  So you just want another run of the upload-trunk-to-ppa job?
[18:15] <mhr3> i guess so :)
[18:15] <mhr3> but not yet, give us few more minutes
[18:15] <mterry> mhr3, yeah I can do that no problem.  Let me know when everything has landed in trunk
[18:15] <mhr3> k
[18:45] <mterry> mzanetti, would you mind giving https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity/phablet-greeter-lightdm/+merge/152288 another look-see?
[18:45] <mterry> fginther, can you poke the above ci job ^ I believe it ran when it was broken on raring
[18:45] <fginther> mterry, sure, give me a few minutes please
[18:45] <mterry> fginther, no rush
[18:58] <fginther> mterry, done
[19:25] <kgunn> Saviq: hey...just did a fresh pull, i'm failing to build on lens.cpp...just seeing if you knew
[19:26] <Saviq> kgunn, you need to rebuild unity
[19:26] <kgunn> Saviq: ah
[19:26] <Saviq> kgunn, either drop ../build_unity/unity
[19:26] <Saviq> kgunn, or go in there and go `bzr pull --overwrite`
[19:27] <kgunn> Saviq: thanks...i'll update our "getting started instructions" as this might happen now and then
[19:27] <Saviq> kgunn, and go ./build_unity
[19:27] <kgunn> right ;)
[19:27] <Saviq> kgunn, ./build_unity has a -u option
[19:28] <Saviq> kgunn, that will update the trees
[19:28] <Saviq> kgunn, but this time we rewrote history of lp:unity/phablet-mods
[19:28] <Saviq> to reduce our diff
[19:28] <Saviq> so an --overwrite pull is needed
[19:29] <kgunn> got it, so ./build-unity -u won't work this once
[19:37] <Saviq> kgunn, yup
[19:40] <kgunn> mhall119: ping
[19:45] <mhall119> kgunn: pong
[20:10] <mhr3> mterry, ok, hopefully we're done
[20:10] <mterry> mhr3, OK
[20:11] <mterry> mhr3, the queue is already kinda busy, I'll start though.  Is this urgent?  I could try to cancel other jobs
[20:11] <mterry> mhr3, which packages saw changes?
[20:15] <mterry> seb128, you restarted unity-head on jenkins.  Was that for a particular reason (to try UTAH failure again?)
[20:15] <seb128> mterry, trying the utah fixes, I figured we better want to see if it's still broken early rather than later
[20:16] <seb128> mterry, sorry if that's creating issues
[20:16] <mterry> seb128, no, I just may have another build coming through for the 100scopes
[20:17] <seb128> ok
[20:17] <seb128> let's cross fingers than utah behaves then ;-)
[20:17] <seb128> it seems better, the indicators new run I did is green on ati
[20:17] <seb128> where is was consistently failing earlier
[20:18] <mhr3> mterry, ehm, many of them :)
[20:24] <mterry> mhr3, when doing things manually, I have to give a list of packages to rebuild...  let me see..
[20:25] <mhr3> mterry, primary ones are libunity, unity, unity-scope-home, and the openweather scope
[20:25] <mhr3> for the rest its fine if it builds later
[20:29] <mterry> mhr3, OK, build started for those
[20:29] <mhr3> mterry, thx
[20:30] <mhr3> mterry, ping me when it's published pls
[20:30] <mterry> k
[20:30] <mterry> mhr3, I might be EOD at that point.  I'll try to look in later
[20:30] <mhr3> mterry, when it'll be done approximately?
[20:31] <mterry> mhr3, takes 2 to 3 hours for the whole thing
[20:37] <mhr3> mterry, kk, no need to ping me then
[20:38] <mhr3> i'll probably won't be here anyway :)
[20:38] <mhr3> olli_, ^
[20:38] <olli_> heh, I was just reading the backlog
[20:38] <olli_> mterry, mhr3 I am just having an eye on the ppa
[20:52] <olli_> fginther, can you get us another run against this new build and 12.10? (and possibly 13.04)
[20:53] <olli_> what would be interesting is to get results for local searches, i.e. with the scope server turned off
[20:53] <fginther> olli_, sure thing
[20:54] <olli_> fginther, the build is due in a couple of hours only though
[20:54] <fginther> olli_, mhr3, do I need to do something to turn the scope server off, or is that normal behavior when doing a local search?
[20:54] <olli_> so, whenever you get to it
[20:55] <mhr3> fginther, it's on for all searches, unless you turn on the online searches in privacy
[20:56] <fginther> mhr3, thanks
[20:56] <mhr3> eh, turn off
[23:22] <fginther> mhr3, olli_, the scope build failed to publish
[23:39] <mhr3> fginther, ?
[23:40] <mhr3> i see new stuff in the ppa
[23:40] <mhr3> not everything was rebuild, but that's cause it was done manually
[23:58] <fginther> mhr3, oh.  I just saw the jenkins job reported a failure. but after looking closer, that may be expected