[12:58] <lotusleaf> I, for one, welcome out Kubuntu dev overlords
[12:58] <lotusleaf> our*
[12:58] <lotusleaf> represent!
[01:01] <yacoob> Hi folks. Is feisty going to have some better default firefox theme?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: heh
[01:01] <Hobbsee> yacoob: we dont do firefox stuff
[01:01] <yacoob> Current one breaks (loses the color) when I move through the menu...
[01:01] <lotusleaf> yacoob, #ubuntu+1
[01:01] <yacoob> Hobbsee, well, someone takes and packages default theme for firefox, or is it stock ff theme?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> yacoob: kubuntu doesnt even install firefox by default.
[01:02] <yacoob> allright.
[01:02] <lotusleaf> hmm.. a Kubuntu firefox theme...
[01:02] <lotusleaf> with happy dancing dragons!
[01:03] <yuriy> firedragon
[01:03] <yuriy> would that be redundant?
[01:04] <lotusleaf> a foxy dragon :P
[01:05] <yacoob> thing is, I changed kde looks, and wanted ff to match it.
[01:05] <yacoob> Mission impossible, it seems.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: *grin*
[01:06] <lotusleaf> yacoob, maybe the kind folks in #ubuntu-offtopic can assist you
[01:06] <Hobbsee> yacoob: yes, i hope to make a firefox-kde for feisty+1
[01:06] <lotusleaf> yacoob, have you tried Konqueror?
[01:06] <lotusleaf> yacoob, or #kubuntu-offtopic even :)
[01:06] <yacoob> you think browsing the web with #kubuntu-offtopic would do? Must try that :P
[01:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:07] <yacoob> but seriously, konq don't cut it, mostly due to lack of some extensions and good delicious integration
[01:07] <yacoob> (konqlicious is a start, but not enough :)
[01:07] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[01:07] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: morning :)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> heya Tm_T
[01:08] <lotusleaf> weee!
[01:08] <lotusleaf> one nail in the kdar coffin
[01:08] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[01:08] <Hobbsee> heya jjesse!
[01:08] <lotusleaf> finally the elaborate thread @ lp will end
[01:09] <Tm_T> kdar?
[01:09] <lotusleaf> exactly
[01:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: building basket
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: cool
[01:09] <lotusleaf> !kdar > Tm_T
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: aparrently ana is packaging it for debian at the moment ,so i'm not sure if it'll be needed
[01:09] <claydoh> is there a way to change the logout to the 'stock' kde one?
[01:09] <claydoh> trying to answer a forum question
[01:10] <claydoh> some seem to want konqui back
[01:10] <ryanakca> Well, it's just another reason for that Kolab server :D
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: true.  or being more in touch with debian
[01:11] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:12] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: what were you saying about kontact?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/94274
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94274 in kdar "please remove kdar (source and binary) from the archive." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:12] <ryanakca> kontact/kdepim
[01:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: kdepim?  i need to put in a patch for it, and need to get testing for it, i guess.
[01:13] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee, thanks, glad it's finally reaching a resolution
[01:13] <ryanakca> yeah, but this morning?
[01:13] <lotusleaf> I've been subscribed to that bug so I'll be following the results in e-mail :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: true.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: it's only reaching it now because they say that it works, but it doesnt seem to.  and we can still get the soruce if we ever want to
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: dunno about this morning
[01:14] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee, there should be a working alternative eventually, as I mentioned the other day the developers of XFCE's Xarchiver may be working on dar support for Xarchiver.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> nice
[01:40] <Tm_T> oh joy, this is fun
[01:41] <Tm_T> akregator triggers ktts no matter what settings are
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ktts?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> oh, that's the speech thing, iirc?
[01:41] <Tm_T> yes
[01:42] <ryanakca> hmm... is it just me & and my kontact, but is Riddell's last email blank?
[01:42] <Tm_T> crap =)
[01:42] <Tm_T> I want this silenced! =)
[01:43] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[01:44] <Jucato> O.o
[01:44] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee, Tm_T :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[01:45] <bddebian> Heya ryanakca
[01:45] <Tm_T> Jucato: har
[01:45] <Jucato> :)
[01:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: question: I asked _StefanS_ a few days ago if it were possible to revert to the original KDE logout dialog box (while keeping the fade effect) and he told me how. is it ok to sort of spread that info? some users are asking in the forums (KFN)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: presume so - what does it involve?
[01:47] <Jucato> adding 2 lines in ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[01:48] <Jucato> [Logout]  doUbuntuLogout=0
[01:48] <Hobbsee> should be fine
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ie, a config file shouldnt be able to break much
[01:48] <Jucato> ok. sometimes I don't know which info would be preferred to be kept internal (if there are any :P)
[01:48] <jjesse> people don't like the new logout screen?
[01:48] <jjesse> man the people in the room above me are loud
[01:48] <Jucato> I've tested it and it works
[01:49] <Jucato> jjesse: well, for now just one or two
[01:49] <Jucato> I like it, but would probably want a more themeable one in the future, like KDM :)
[01:50] <Jucato> one advantage of the older logout dialog is that you could change the logout image at the side, I guess
[01:51] <jjesse> ah interesting
[01:53] <Jucato> http://www.kde-artists.org/logout
[02:04] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i didnt get a blank email.  i dont think, anyway
[02:14] <Jucato> claydoh!!! :)
[02:14] <claydoh> Jucato: :P
[02:14] <claydoh> w00t i found a fix for my pet bug
[02:15] <Jucato> which bug is that? :D
[02:15] <Jucato> did you receive my PM over at KFN? :D
[02:15] <claydoh>  bug 85488
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85488
[02:15] <Jucato> aaah
[02:15] <claydoh> not kde related per se
[02:15] <Jucato> I must be lucky my HP PSC's scanner functions survived the upgrade to feisty :D
[02:16] <claydoh> well if my cheap mustek scanner hadn't died, my cheaper canon would never have been purchased :)
[02:17] <claydoh> but it does involve a kernel config option
[02:17] <Jucato> ouch?
[02:18] <claydoh> well i compiled my first ever kernel, and one very small change fixed it for those using plustek sane backend
[02:18] <claydoh> now if it gets fixed before release....
[02:19] <Jucato> hm.... imho it should :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> claydoh: what's the fix?
[02:20] <claydoh> disableing 'usb selective suspend/resume'
[02:20] <claydoh> which is marked 'experimental'
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:21] <claydoh> probably breaks more important stuff
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yes, you should.  linux-source-2.6.20 is already a package on that bug, so i'd suggest modifying the description, by adding "fix:  disable usb selective suspend/resume" to the end
[02:21] <Hobbsee> dunno.  that's for the kernel devs to decide
[02:21] <Hobbsee> possibly ask benc on irc.  if he's around
[02:22] <Hobbsee> he might shove you off, being very busy, of course
[02:22] <claydoh> well the plustek backend could probably be fixed as well
[02:23] <claydoh> on sane'send
[02:24] <Hobbsee> got a fix for that too?'
[02:24] <claydoh> heck no, that would involve code
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:24] <claydoh> as opposed to bug searches and goole useage
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:31] <Jucato> shouldn't Ubuntu be getting GNOME 2.18 by now?
[02:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... kk
[02:33] <ryanakca> nooo!
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no!!!!  stay away from the dark side!   :D
[02:34] <ryanakca> lol
[02:37] <Jucato> wow! "Need to get 158MB/160MB of archives. After unpacking 684MB will be used."
[02:37] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: If ana doesn't end up packaging it, mind letting me know?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> sure
[02:37] <Hobbsee> it's not on packages qa thingo
[02:39] <jjesse> quick question: against what package would you assign bug 88426
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88426 in Ubuntu "kmenuedit does not save changes." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88426
[02:39] <Hobbsee> jjesse: the PEBKAC package
[02:39] <jjesse> Hobbsee: grin :)
[02:39] <Jucato> lol signs of impending doom! that was a hard freeze :)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah, kdebase.  i'm still waiting for it to load, but i'd say its' pebkac
[02:40] <ryanakca> pebkac?
[02:40] <jjesse> ok i'll assign it against kdebase
[02:40] <Hobbsee> mmm...perhaps not
[02:40] <jjesse> i can't reproduce it
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[02:40] <jjesse> problem exists between keyboard and chair
[02:40] <Hobbsee> its' kde-systemsettings, i'd say
[02:40] <Hobbsee> maybe kcontrol
[02:40] <Hobbsee> the latter is in kdebase
[02:40] <ryanakca> kmenuedit is kmenuedit
[02:40] <ryanakca> apt-cache show kmenuedit
[02:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: kmenuedit is in kdebase
[02:41] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you really want to know if the guy was running sudo kmenuedit
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:41] <ryanakca> or no
[02:41] <ryanakca> Filename: pool/main/k/kdebase/kmenuedit_3.5.6-0ubuntu16_amd64.deb
[02:41] <Hobbsee> File "<string>", line 8, in kcontrol_bridge_create_displayconfig
[02:41] <Hobbsee> making me wonder if it's in kcontrol
[02:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:46] <jjesse> ok ewill do
[02:46] <Hobbsee> jjesse: with a "cant connect to X server" error, it's usually either a buggy program, or that the user has run sudo $app, not kdesu $app, or just $app
[02:46] <jjesse> Hobbsee: thanks that's what i was wondering if he was using sudo as i can't reproduce it
[02:46] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'd ask
[02:46] <Jucato> "Needs Info" :D
[02:46] <jjesse> thanks guys (and girls)
[02:46] <Jucato> s/girls/girl
[02:46] <jjesse> yeah
[02:46] <Jucato> :D
[02:46] <Jucato> Zerlinna should hang out here more often so that it would be "girls" :D
[02:46] <jjesse> mmmm girls :)
[02:46] <Jucato> for now we have to bear with the sexy lady from .au who wiels a long pointy stick of doom
[02:46] <Jucato> wields*
[02:46] <jjesse> ducks
[02:46] <Jucato> quacks
[02:46] <claydoh> leftover turkey makes yummy sandwhiches
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm sure you'll cope.
[02:55] <Jucato> :D
[02:57] <ajmitch> how we'll cope is beyond me
[03:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:09] <Tm_T> Jucato: you was from where?
[03:10] <Jucato> last time I checked, I'm from the Philippines and am still here :)
[03:10] <Tm_T> aah, roger
[03:10] <Tm_T> just wondered
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <Hobbsee> sure?
[03:11] <Tm_T> mainly because it's night in Europe
[03:11] <Jucato> lol ;)
[03:11] <Jucato> it's 10AM here :)
[03:11] <Tm_T> 0411
[03:12] <Jucato> UTC+2?
[03:12] <Tm_T> that means 0212 now in France etc
[03:12] <Tm_T> Jucato: Roger
[03:13] <Jucato> nah, 0312 in France and Berlin
[03:13] <Jucato> they're UTC+1 (afaik)
[03:13] <Tm_T> hmm, true, my bad :)
[03:13] <Tm_T> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54968
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: Jucato meet kclock, if you havent already.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:14] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I use kclock, that's why I know when it's morning there ;)
[03:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: meet the clock kicker applet :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:14] <Hobbsee> that's kclock
[03:14] <Jucato> it is?
[03:15] <yuriy> good morning
[03:15] <yuriy> (take that, kclock!)
[03:15] <Jucato> lol
[03:15] <Jucato> hi yuriy!
[03:16] <Tm_T> anyone willing to try that patch or should I?
[03:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://edu.kde.org/widgets/kclock/
[03:16] <yuriy> heh good call
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: too late for feisty
[03:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: doesn't matter
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh
[03:17] <Jucato> too late for anything :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no, not too late for fixing things
[03:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: early enough for feisty+1 (I doubt we can get KDE4 for that)
[03:17] <Jucato> (for Tm_T, it is :D)
[03:18] <Tm_T> Jucato: what you're trying to say?
[03:18] <Jucato> nothing
[03:18] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:18] <Tm_T> now I'm stuck trying to figure out
[03:18] <Tm_T> cruel you!
[03:19] <Jucato> heh I was just teasing :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: we'll see.
[03:19] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: we'll see what?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: the release schedules seem to be quite early - not sure on the plan yet
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kde4
[03:19] <Tm_T> well, I doubt, also I'm not sure we should drop KDE3 totally immediately
[03:20] <Hobbsee> true
[03:20] <Jucato> we probably couldn't anyway
[03:20] <Tm_T> yes, there's dapper for "long stable" but it's year and hald old by then
[03:20] <Jucato> (drop KDE 3.5.x completely)
[03:20] <Jucato> KDE isn't recommending that either
[03:20] <Tm_T> we aren't :)
[03:21] <Tm_T> (who's we?)
[03:21] <Jucato> :P
[03:21] <Jucato> ?
[03:25] <Tm_T> I'm confusing you?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> claydoh: poke
[03:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: Hobbsee: related to that kopete thing, I'm considering to hack awaymessagemanager to kopete
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: to add it in, or take it out?
[03:26] <Tm_T> well, there's no such thing atm so add it in ;)
[03:27] <Tm_T> but that would be KDE4 first -thing to do
[03:27] <Tm_T> ok, some server has just dropped
[03:27] <Jucato> netsplit
[03:28] <Hobbsee> haha, oops
[03:28] <Tm_T> slow netsplit then ;)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> different way to usual, too
[03:30] <Tm_T> come to me, people!
[03:31] <Jucato> wb splitters
[03:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:32] <Tm_T> why nobody poke me ever :(
[03:32] <Tm_T> \o/
[03:33] <Tm_T> afraid you might like it?
[03:33] <Jucato> I'm not perverted :D
[03:34] <Tm_T> sure?
[03:34] <Jucato> um....
[03:35] <ajmitch> Jucato: run away now
[03:36] <Tm_T> ... warming up your poking stick?
[03:36] <Jucato> that just doesn't sound right applied to someone else other than Hobbsee
[03:37] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, I didn't mean that kind of stick
[03:37] <Jucato> :)
[03:39] <Jucato> ugh! philippine mirror not workey... (
[03:39] <Jucato> :(
[03:39] <claydoh> Hobbsee: need to sharpen that stick I guess :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> claydoh: indeed.  benc appears to be online now
[03:50] <claydoh> ok thanks
[04:11] <Jucato> anyone one else having problems w/ repositories? even archive.ubuntu.com ones?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:12] <Jucato> ugh...
[04:12] <Jucato> is it a coincidence that this happened as I'm trying to install GNOME? :D
[04:12] <Jucato> uk.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be working...
[04:18] <Jucato> will there be problems if I temporarily switch to the uk mirrors?
[04:19] <Tm_T> Jucato: yes, your passport will be expired
[04:19] <Jucato> good
[04:19] <Jucato> I don't have one :D
[04:19] <Tm_T> me neither, they doesn't offer those for us non-humans much
[04:19] <Jucato> yeah they doesn't offer :)
[04:24] <Skreech> Where do I go to get a alsa driver patch included for Feisty?
[04:24] <Tm_T> I'm going to try and stress kopete-ktts plugin
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Skreech: the feisty source for whatever package it's in?  sounds like a #kubuntu or #ubuntu question
[04:26] <Skreech> Hobbsee: I don't want the driver :)
[04:26] <Skreech> Gimmie a second let me confirm the patch works
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !uvf
[04:28] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[04:29] <Skreech> in Unrelated news when are we moving to the Diff version of apt?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> we are?
[04:32] <Jucato> the what?
[04:34] <Skreech> They released a version f apt for debian that only pulls down diffs
[04:35] <Skreech> Figured it would be nice for something as popular as ubuntu
[04:36] <Skreech> The next best thing to building a p2p apt systems
[04:36] <Skreech> -s
[04:36] <Tm_T> Skreech: that along hurd kernel?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Skreech: probably will be discussed for feisty+1
[04:37] <Skreech> :-)
[04:37] <Skreech> A win for 56kers
[04:37] <ajmitch> yay for ubuntu gnu/hurd
[04:37] <Tm_T> Jucato: you're free to find out
[04:38] <Jucato> but not capable of :)
[04:38] <ajmitch> Jucato: sure
[04:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: hm, vmware?
[04:38] <Tm_T> or ~any other similar
[04:39] <Jucato> ooh it runs on vmware?!?  I thought you meant Ubuntu/GNOME. forgot about that screenie :)
[04:40] <Skreech> Hobbsee: no the alsa driver
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:40] <Hobbsee> crimsun: will know, when he comes back
[04:40] <Tm_T> I wonder if gnu.org is runned in hurd
[04:41] <Jucato> Tm_T: why?
[04:41] <ajmitch> Tm_T: no, that would be pointless
[04:41] <Tm_T> ajmitch: pointless?
[04:41] <Jucato> bah :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> the purpose of a webserver is to be useful & serve files
[04:42] <Tm_T> and?
[04:42] <ajmitch> and you won't get that with the hurd
[04:43] <ajmitch> not for any length of time, anyway :)
[04:44] <Tm_T> ajmitch: well how hurd can't be useful nor serve files?
[04:44] <Tm_T> Jucato: punch line is something like http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
[04:46] <Tm_T> I wonder if hurd ever could've been even close as succesful as Linux if Linux wouldn't take the show back then
[04:47] <Tm_T> I doubt
[04:47] <Skreech> I really like the unlike other popular kernel software line
[04:49] <Tm_T> and for those who don't know the history, maybe good place to start is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd
[04:50] <Jucato> Hurd would have probably been successful if they "finished" it on time...
[04:50] <ajmitch> have you seen how slow & unstable it is?
[04:50] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ok, I'll stop :)
[04:51] <Tm_T> ajmitch: no, but I have seen how slow & unstable the development has been :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ack https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klamav/+bug/94312 please
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94312 in klamav "UVFe - klamav is broken with current clamav." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:52] <ajmitch> lots of changes
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the thing is fubar'd now.
[04:53] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, not like Linux, I'm sure, because Linux is more than just kernel, whole way of developing and being "community" and so on :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i either do that, or ask for it's removal
[04:53] <Hobbsee> take your pick.
[04:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: I was talking about Linux the kernel :)
[04:53] <Skreech> aNYone got a nice error from adept?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or we have clamav and clamav-legacy, which is clearly a bad idea
[04:54] <ajmitch> why is klamav broken?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because it uses the old version of clamav
[04:54] <Hobbsee> and the new version of clamav in feisty doesnt work with it
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and keescook didnt update both of them
[04:55] <ajmitch> the new version that we've had for a month now?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:55] <ajmitch> how many other packages are affected?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> not quite sure yet. rdepends of clamav appear to show that others may be.
[04:56] <ajmitch> depending on how they use it - there have been a few uploads of clamav-related stuff
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, 3 break, according to unmet deps
[04:56] <ajmitch> you've got a busy night then ;)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> gurlchecker
[04:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: same here
[04:57] <Hobbsee> courier-filter-perl via a suggests
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: not that many then.
[04:57] <ajmitch> how is gurlchecker affected?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> well, it's not installable.  havent looked yet
[04:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: but when you talk about "would it become as big/succesful" then the way od development comes important
[04:57] <Skreech> Bah I think it's perl
[04:58] <Skreech>  Does adept depend on perl?
[04:58] <Tm_T> anyway, I stop here
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch:   gurlchecker: Depends: libclamav1 (>= 0.88.4) but it is not installable
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ie, the old clamav
[04:58] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ah I see, apt-cache madison just split the output & I didn't see it
[04:58] <ajmitch> find someone else to ACK the UVFe
[04:58] <ajmitch> (for klamav)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks
[04:59] <Tm_T> btw kicker is really "in" kdebase, you need almost whole of it
[04:59] <ajmitch> crimsun may still be alive
[06:34] <giangy> 'morning
[06:34] <Skreech> hi
[06:35] <nixternal> I guess it is morning here now, at least for the past 35 minutes :)
[06:36] <giangy> heh :P
[06:36] <giangy> here 06:37
[07:34] <crimsun> mm, hit n' run
[07:34] <crimsun> it'd have been lovely if Skreech had mentioned in more than a few passing words what the issue was (?)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh. yes.  thanks for the ack (klamav)
[07:35] <crimsun> np
[07:35] <crimsun> ->offline
[11:51] <Tonio_> hey
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test the beta cd this afternoon on a macintel
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: crimsun seems to be away for a moment, who can I pping for this : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/87253
[12:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]
[12:10] <demiurge> Morning everyone.  I have a question about how drive icons are assigned to mounted items, could anyone help me with information about this?
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: nobody comes to mind
[12:12] <Riddell> demiurge: large case statement in kdebase, the code is known to be a mess and it's not worth fixing because it's all changed in kde 4
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll try to reping him then :)
[12:16] <demiurge> It is good to hear, I really can't wait for the final of kde4.  Before I do throw in the towel, does anyone here understand the mime-types asigned to mounted files?  A .directory is a great work around for rw files systems but can't be used for ro file systems, is this more of a mount trick or deep in  kdebase and pointless to undertake?
[12:19] <waylandbill> hi all. I'm a c++ programmer interested in assisting in the development of kubuntu.
[12:20] <Jucato> hm... why did my horns show up? :D
[12:20] <demiurge> -lol-
[12:21] <demiurge> What I would give to be able to wrap my head around c++...  I just can't break my c habits. -blush-
[12:21] <Riddell> hi waylandbill, welcome along
[12:22] <Mez> well, all my evo icons
[12:22] <demiurge> Ouch!
[12:22] <Mez> brb
[12:22] <Riddell> hi waylandbill, welcome along
[12:22] <waylandbill> Riddell: thanks.
[12:22] <Riddell> waylandbill: just now we're mostly needing testing for beta
[12:23] <genii> Geez Jucato, are you in every channel?
[12:23] <Riddell> waylandbill: although, if you want a c++ task, one has just come to mind
[12:23] <demiurge> c++ has always been my undoing.  Can't say why, I understand it and can work in it but I always end up making cross over code falling back into c like design.
[12:23] <waylandbill> Riddell: do tell.
[12:25] <Riddell> waylandbill: adept has a patch to download the dist upgrade tool and run it
[12:25] <Riddell> waylandbill: but it never deletes the files it has downloaded
[12:25] <Riddell> waylandbill: so it needs a simple rm -r on the downloaded and extracted files
[12:25] <Riddell> (or rather the equivalent in QFile)
[12:25] <demiurge> Riddell: I know it is still in beta but I have a question for you, can I expect a linux style beta or a m$ style beta?
[12:25] <Riddell> demiurge: ?
[12:26] <Riddell> linux doesn't have betas as far as I know, they only seem to release RCs
[12:26] <genii> Is there someone responsible for the way dpkg records/stores the get-selections stuff?
[12:26] <Riddell> waylandbill: sound interesting?
[12:26] <waylandbill> Riddell: I'll take a look.
[12:26] <Riddell> waylandbill: apt-get source adept
[12:27] <Riddell> waylandbill: debuild (from devscripts package) to build
[12:27] <demiurge> Riddell: More or less, could you give me on a scale from 1 to 10 how stable kde4 is 9 being an up to date kde3.
[12:27] <Riddell> waylandbill: edit once compiled and make in obj-xx directory
[12:27] <Riddell> demiurge: 2
[12:28] <Riddell> nah, it sometimes runs for more than 5 minutes without breaking
[12:28] <Riddell> but not normally
[12:28] <Jucato> heheh :)
[12:29] <demiurge> So it's about as good as an M$ retail release.  Might be worth a try.
[12:29] <Jucato> demiurge: Feisty beta has nothing to do with KDE 4
[12:30] <demiurge> All gates bashing aside, I was having a heck of a time trying to get it to build on an iBook.
[12:30] <Riddell> in my limited experience, beta releases of MS operating systems are pretty stable
[12:31] <demiurge> Riddell: Did you beta XP?  I could not keep explorer running for more than a few minutes.
[12:31] <Riddell> sounds exactly like KDE 4
[12:31] <demiurge> I will say it was much more stable than the Windows 95 release.
[12:31] <genii> Is there a good list of who works on what specific parts of kubuntu ?
[12:32] <Riddell> genii: no, it changes too fast
[12:32] <genii> Damn
[12:33] <demiurge> For me, that went over like a lead balloon.  That is a bit off topic.  I was just trying to find out if it was stable enough to use for a workstation in any way.
[12:33] <genii> No project management interface or so then?
[12:36] <genii> I'm interested in the installation process/routine in how to get some comprehensive result recorded which you can dump to a preseed file. The dpkg get-selections  seems to be either incomplete or broken somewhere
[12:38] <genii> I'd be willing to work on it if there are already others who can help with getting oriented in the current way it operates on ubuntu as opposed to stock debian
[03:03] <waylandbill> Riddell: regarding the files that don't get deleted by adept updater. Are we talking about the cached deb files that are downloaded to use to dist-upgrade?
[03:06] <Riddell> waylandbill: it's downloaded in adept/kubuntu_upgrader/upgradewizard.cpp
[03:06] <Riddell> UpgradeWizard::fetchUpgradeTool
[03:06] <Riddell> and extracted in UpgradeWizard::launchDistUpdater
[03:06] <waylandbill> ok. I was looking in the wrong place. Thanks
[03:07] <Riddell> so before download, delete any files that are already there
[03:07] <Riddell> included extracted files
[03:07] <waylandbill> and then after successful commit, delete them.
[03:08] <Riddell> commit?
[03:08] <waylandbill> upgrade
[03:09] <Riddell> waylandbill: can't do that, the upgrade tool kills adept before it does anything
[03:09] <Tm_T> anyone know a way to control audio volume of one app? ktts is way too noisy here
[03:09] <Riddell> so only thing we can do to tidy up is to delete any existing files
[03:09] <waylandbill> Riddell: ok
[03:09] <Riddell> when adept is next run
[03:10] <Riddell> waylandbill: so in UpgradeWizard::checkForDistUpgrade  delete the files
[03:11] <Riddell> not too sure the best way to find the downloaded file name
[03:13] <waylandbill> I must be missing sources. I don't appear to have that file after apt-get source adept.
[03:13] <Riddell> waylandbill: you're on feisty?
[03:14] <waylandbill> no. that would make a difference. I better do that first. :-)
[03:15] <waylandbill> thanks for the info, btw.
[03:15] <Riddell> waylandbill: you can get it from lauchpad instead
[03:16] <Riddell> waylandbill: bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:16] <Riddell> no
[03:16] <Riddell> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/adept/ubuntu
[03:16] <waylandbill> ok
[03:17] <Riddell> waylandbill: debian/changelog should be at 2.1.2ubuntu21 in that branch
[03:24] <Tm_T> http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya
[03:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: I know, I just posted it :)
[03:25] <Jucato> uh oh... :D
[03:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, did other guys here know it? ;)
[03:26] <Jucato> and news like this will spread like wildfire :D
[03:27] <Tm_T> IF I get my job and also get into uni, you bet I will start hassling with KDE4 stuff _much_
[03:28] <Riddell> job and uni?
[03:29] <apokryphos> Uni gives you too much free time; dangerous.
[03:29] <Tm_T> yes, well, need job until uni starts
[03:29] <Riddell> ah
[03:29] <Tm_T> without those there's no much changes I get environment where I can really sit down and think
[03:30] <crimsun> apokryphos: err, that's completely not the case for me, but YMMV
[03:30] <Tm_T> I need appartment that is :(
[03:30] <Jucato> hm... KDE 4 and 7.10 released on the same month...
[03:30] <Tm_T> oh, forgot, dying
[03:30] <apokryphos> crimsun: I guess my first year was a little busier. Second year...9 hours of lectures, and I only go to 6 of them :O
[03:34] <crimsun> Tonio_: ping RE: #87253
[03:41] <Tm_T> :)
[03:41] <Tm_T> but hey, we are all dying (:
[03:42] <Jucato> each day, little by little :)
[03:42] <Tm_T> yup
[03:42] <DaSkreech> crimsun: ping
[03:42] <crimsun> DaSkreech: pong
[03:42] <DaSkreech> crimsun: I'm checking on a patch for the Gateway MX6446
[03:43] <DaSkreech>  Gruemaster apparently has a alsa patch that makes the HDA-intel for the gateway models magically work
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Granted I still can't get them to work :-)
[03:43] <crimsun> DaSkreech: err, so what are you really saying?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> crimsun: would it be possible to have the patch included fro feisty?
[03:44] <crimsun> DaSkreech: I need to review the patch first, and it needs to be confirmed as a bugfix without regressions
[03:45] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Hmm ok. Do you know of the patch?
[03:45] <Tm_T> aww, this is nice, have to pay ~500  for eyeglasses, and haveing only 400  in account =)
[03:45] <crimsun> DaSkreech: no
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Ok HOld on
[03:45] <crimsun> DaSkreech: omniscience is a rare thing indeed.
[03:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: that's song of yes
[03:46] <Skreech> crimsun: http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/alsa-patches/conexant-instructions.txt
[03:46] <crimsun> Skreech: you want me to merge that? You just said you can't get it to work
[03:47] <crimsun> Skreech: not to mention I merged that patch a while ago
[03:48] <Skreech> crimsun: Ah :) Well the module doesn't load for me
[03:48] <crimsun> this belongs in #kubuntu, please.
[03:48] <Skreech>  The dmesg fills with snd-* errors figured it's the kernel
[03:48] <Skreech> crimsun: your merged version will be on repos?
[03:48] <crimsun> Skreech: has been for two releases.
[03:49] <Skreech> o.0
[03:49] <Skreech> Hmm
[03:49] <Skreech> ok back to the drawing board then
[03:50] <Skreech> crimsun: thanks
[03:54] <Skreech> crimsun: Never mind it works now :)
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Whoot
[04:05] <DaSkreech> KDE4 for 7.10 :)
[04:06] <Riddell> or not
[04:06] <Riddell> will miss it by a couple of weeks
[04:07] <Tm_T> hmm, am I going crazy or do I hear wind whispering "backports" ?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> 7.10 comes out in the second week?
[04:10] <Riddell> then abouts
[04:14] <gnomefreak> can we get a week or 2 extenstion on feisty+1?
[04:14] <Jucato> so that Ubuntu gets GNOME 2.20 and Kubuntu gets KDE 4.0? :D
[04:15] <gnomefreak> it makes sense to not hold kde4 back from feisty+1 as it has been wanted by *lots* of users
[04:15] <gnomefreak> i dont think a couple of weeks is gonna hurt us
[04:15] <Jucato> but I guess it also presumes that KDE 4 will release on time... they might be held back too :)
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Get the french Parliment to petition Canonical :)
[04:17] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i agree, but will kde know within 1-2 months time?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Not if we throw the Kubuntu coding community at it
[04:17] <hunger> Jucato: I am just compiling kdelibs from kde4... with warnings like "Warning: KDE support enabled" and "Here be dragons" scrolling by I doubt that the timeline is realistic;-)
[04:17] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:17] <gnomefreak> if we do ask that feisty+1 be held for a couple of weeks it would be good to bring it up asap
[04:18] <Riddell> we can't rely on that schedule at all
[04:18] <Riddell> it's mostly likely to slip
[04:18] <gnomefreak> in that case if hunger is right about time line than backports/rc version in feisty+1
[04:19] <gnomefreak> can we release feisty+1 with beta/rc* kde?
[04:19] <hunger> gnomefreak: I am not really involved with kde development, so I was only giving an outsider's view on the issue.
[04:20] <hunger> gnomefreak: All the kde developers that were here for the decibel hackathon did tend to think that kde 4.0 will be on time but that their particular subsystem won't make it into 4.0:-(
[04:20] <gnomefreak> well last i heard 3 months ago or so there was no release date set so for it to be put off wouldnt suprise me
[04:22] <Jucato> it will probably be late and complete :D
[04:22] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: That's was my next question
[04:22] <DaSkreech> hunger: Probably will
[04:22] <DaSkreech> hunger: don't worry about it
[04:22] <DaSkreech> It will have huge releases much faster than any MS Os
[04:22] <DaSkreech> So in 18 months it WILL be the KDE4 everyone wants
[04:23] <gnomefreak> its looking like feisty will keep 3.5.6 right?
[04:23] <Jucato> feisty or feisty+1?
[04:23] <gnomefreak> feisty
[04:23] <Riddell> gnomefreak: 3.5.7 :)
[04:23] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:23] <Riddell> for feisty+1
[04:23] <gnomefreak> ah ok it will be done in time :)
[04:24] <gnomefreak> oh wait .7 for feisty+!?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> +!
[04:24] <gnomefreak> +1
[04:24] <gnomefreak> i was thinking .7 for feisty
[04:24] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: yes, kde 4 comes out just too late for the Ubuntu cycle
[04:24] <apokryphos> damn you ubugtu; that bug still not fixed :/
[04:25] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: 1 ?
[04:25] <apokryphos> sorry?
[04:25] <Jucato> no. kde 4 :)
[04:26] <Jucato> [Notice]  -Ubugtu- Error: KDE bug 4 could not be found
[04:26] <apokryphos> it was fixed and reverted some time in the future :/
[04:26] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: bug 1?
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:26] <Jucato> it will probably be fixed sometime in the past :)
[04:26] <Jucato> DaSkreech: try saying "kde" and "4" together :)
[04:27] <apokryphos> or any other number
[04:27] <DaSkreech> kde 4
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:27] <DaSkreech> I always write kde4
[04:27] <DaSkreech> which != kde 4.0
[04:27] <Jucato> yeah, but well, nobody really talks about kde 2 nowadays :D
[04:27] <DaSkreech> kde 2
[04:27] <gnomefreak> bug kde 4
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Dagnabit
[04:28] <apokryphos> Jucato: unless it's some television program, like 24, or Heroes
[04:28] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Guess I'll just not upgrade to growling giraffe and wait for KDE4 packages to ship then reinstall
[04:28] <apokryphos> I honestly wonder about the effor they went through to get kde 2 installed on  there
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Don't want KDE3 Gunk :)
[04:28] <apokryphos> *effort
[04:28] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: we are skipping g i thought
[04:28] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Huh?  Lots of interesting discussions and stuff.
[04:35] <DaSkreech> hunger: too bad nepo didn't turn up :(
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I'm still at a loss as to where my wishlist functionality goes
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I guess Kopete
[04:36] <hunger> DaSkreech: We wanted to concentrate on contact data handling.
[04:37] <hunger> DaSkreech: So nepo was not really needed. I talked with Jos about it at FOSDEM and he agreed with me. He said all they need is some logfile of the conversaitons.
[04:37] <hunger> DaSkreech: We can do that very nicely with the existing interfaces.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> I realised
[04:41] <DaSkreech> But you don't really implement stats
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Neither do they compile stats
[04:44] <hunger> stats?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[04:52] <DaSkreech> For contacts
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Like avg time online
[04:52] <DaSkreech>  time most likely to be online
[04:54] <DaSkreech> decibel already manages that information and nepomuk-kde compiles it for usage but I guess end applications would have to extract it :(
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Basket 1.0.1 :-)
[04:54] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah I saw :)
[04:58] <DaSkreech> hunger: Is decibel in kdelibs?
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: Nope.
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Will it be by April 1 ?
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: And I won't get it there before Khalkhi is stable.
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: and friedrich says he will probably not make the april 1st deadline.
[04:59] <DaSkreech> So decibel for KDE4.1?
[05:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: That is my current guess, yes.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> ok hope that comes around soon for you
[05:00] <DaSkreech> really would love to see Decibel fly :)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Or is that scream....?
[05:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: No worries. It will fly someday.
[05:01] <hunger> DaSkreech: Did you see the blogentry about our hackathon from berkus?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I read two I thin
[05:01] <DaSkreech> think
[05:02] <hunger> DaSkreech: The coolest one did not hit the planet: http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/articles/2007/03/19/sounds-of-the-shuttle
[05:08] <DaSkreech> hunger: Can you give it to me again?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> since the other day KDE has just been logging me out :-(
 DaSkreech: The coolest one did not hit the planet: http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/articles/2007/03/19/sounds-of-the-shuttle
[05:18] <DaSkreech> That is cool :)
[05:19] <hunger> DaSkreech: Yeap:-)
[05:19] <hunger> DaSkreech: Skype as a Connection Manager would absolutely rock.
[05:20] <DaSkreech> hunger: and you worry about KDE4 being like Vista. Pfffft
[05:20] <hunger> DaSkreech: Work on that will only start in summer (if there is nothing coming up to prevent it altogether (== management;-)).
[05:21] <DaSkreech> hunger: meta-management :)
[05:31] <Tonio_> crimsun: hey ;)
[05:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: you wanted my feedback on that patch for review and inclusion
[05:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: it is perfect, and resolves all the issues on the macbook pro
[05:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: the problem is that it's not perfect
[05:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: ah ?
[05:32] <crimsun> it breaks three other generations of Mac Pros
[05:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: ouch....
[05:32] <crimsun> s/three/two/
[05:33] <Tonio_> indeed, that's evil....
[05:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: what could be the solution ?
[05:33] <Tonio_> isn't there a way to detect which generation is the macbook ?
[05:33] <crimsun> Tonio_: I'll likely need to add a Ubuntu-specific Mac Pro revision addition
[05:34] <crimsun> Tonio_: yes, please attach your /proc/asound/card0/codec* contents to that bug
[05:34] <Tonio_> sure
[05:34] <crimsun> I'm currently test-building a ton of other changes to HDA
[05:35] <crimsun> if that succeeds, I'll fire this batch off to Ben then work on adding the necessary changes so your sound is audible
[05:35] <Tonio_> perfect thanks ;)
[05:37] <Tonio_> crimsun: bug updated with the content of my /proc/asound/card0/codec#0
[05:37] <crimsun> thanks, looking
[05:37] <Tonio_> crimsun: once again thanks ;)
[05:45] <Tonio_> crimsun: I think you don't have a macbook, so if you need any tester, just ask
[05:47] <crimsun> Tonio_: right, I'm working on that patch now
[05:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: you rock :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> Jucato: bah not last 3 weeks, I didn't do much for kubuntu
[05:49] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm about to leave my appartment, search for a new one, which takes time....
[05:49] <Jucato> it's ok. You've done much before that anyway :)
[05:49] <Jucato> aw... :(
[05:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: but I have just signedfor a new appartment, very nice one :)
[05:50] <Jucato> ooh nice! when are you moving in?
[05:51] <Tonio_> same city, Orlans
[05:51] <Tonio_> but our current appartement is very little
[05:51] <Tonio_> 35m2 for 2 people....
[05:51] <Tonio_> new one is 83, which is way better ;)
[05:52] <Jucato> heh more than twice. kool :)
[05:52] <Tonio_> yup ;)
[05:52] <Tonio_> but means 3 weeks without internet, except if I can crack a wireless network arround hehe
[05:52] <Jucato> hahah :D
[05:53] <Tonio_> okay lets test the beta live cd :)
[05:53] <Tonio_> brb
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: livecd fails to boot here...
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ends with a black screen and prompt by starting Xorg/kdm
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to get logs, issue happens in normal and safe graphics mode
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: only thing I noticed is that tty1 is locked too with the message "loading please waits..."
[06:14] <Riddell> ouch
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I presume xorg isn't the issue, something breaks just before it starts........
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: edgy cd boots, I just tested to be sure
[06:14] <Riddell> it works fine for me
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting to get the info for old gen powerbooks....
[06:14] <Riddell> can you test the ubuntu daily-live CD?
[06:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, maybe that a typical mactel issue
[06:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I used that one.... is the today cd built ?
[06:15] <Tonio_> I used yesterday's
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: current is the one I used....
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: will test when the new one comes arround
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there a way to boot without usplash ? that's a pain to get infos when it fails ;)
[06:22] <waylandbill> Tonio_: remove quiet and splash from the boot command line
[06:22] <Tonio_> waylandbill: yes but how to do that on the livecd ?
[06:22] <Riddell> same way
[06:23] <Tonio_> waylandbill, Riddell:  considering the keyboard doesn't work on mactels at boot time  ?
[06:23] <Tonio_> hehe, that's way harder, you'll admit this :)
[06:23] <Tonio_> well I can get the keyboard to work if I press a key at the good moment..... about 1/10 sec to do it.... let's try
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: You can take out quiet
[06:24] <DaSkreech>  I do it on all my installs
[06:24] <Tonio_> took my 20 minutes to succeed last time I tested lol
[06:24] <DaSkreech> It's hard coded to be blue so it's impossible to read ....
[06:24] <Tonio_> okay reoobting
[06:24] <waylandbill> very shortly I'll know if a dist-upgrade to feisty for this system works.
[06:24] <crimsun> Tonio_: I'll have a subdir tarball of sound/  for you to test shortly
[06:24] <crimsun> 12.20-generic
[06:24] <crimsun> blah
[06:29] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: 10 attemps to get the keyboard and be able to do F6 hehe ;)
[06:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/74
[06:46] <Tonio_> the 3 last lines of the output
[06:46] <Tonio_> then nothing comes, and all I can do is ctrl+alt+backspace to force reboot....
[06:47] <Tonio_> I bet an Xorg issue
[06:50] <Tonio_> the problem is that there is no noticeable issue or error message...
[06:50] <crimsun> Tonio_: http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/sound.tar.bz2
[06:50] <crimsun> ac42c16854f8d76a867127d94322386ae8f396f7  sound.tar.bz2
[06:50] <crimsun> (sha1sum)
[06:50] <crimsun> Tonio_: please back up your current /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/  first
[06:51] <Tonio_> crimsun: testing, will report you feedback probably tomorrow
[06:51] <Tonio_> crimsun: sure
[06:54] <Tonio_> crimsun: already built ? hehe, let's test now then ;)
[06:59] <Tonio_> crimsun: just perfect, no difference with my previous result ;)
[07:04] <Tonio_> crimsun: would be interesting to test on an old gen macbook pro, but that, I can't do :)
[07:14] <Tonio_> crimsun: no need to say that you rock :)
[08:32] <giangy> oi oi
[08:44] <ryanakca> anything needing to get done for kubuntu?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> crimsun has a patch already just need to figure out how to get it working on this gateway
[08:46] <ryanakca> ah
[08:46] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: speed up KDE4 by two weeks :)
[08:46] <ryanakca> how?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> Promotion for more coders would work :)
[08:47] <DaSkreech> Or a Chart of where needs help
[08:50] <ryanakca> lol
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Sho expects it to slip by two months anyway :(
[08:52] <DaSkreech>  Though aseigo is determined that it will ship this year
[08:57] <RockMan> hi
[09:00] <Riddell> hi RockMan
[09:00] <Riddell> RockMan: I don't suppose you've tried feisty?
[09:00] <RockMan> nope :P but they already told me about the problem with bluetooth
[09:00] <RockMan> http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/228
[09:04] <_StefanS_> evenings
[09:06] <Riddell> RockMan: this should fix our problems?
[09:06] <RockMan> Riddell: here it works
[09:06] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: able to test?
[09:06] <RockMan> Riddell: actually upgrading bluez i had the SAME problem (wrong length of pin), so it should be everything all right
[09:10] <Riddell> RockMan: we can't update anything until beta is out on friday but I'll try and get people to test it next week
[09:10] <RockMan> ok.. np
[09:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if its about the bluetooth issue, I can help test as well
[09:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: please do
[09:12] <Riddell> _StefanS_: http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/228
[09:12] <ryanakca> Anybody know if I still need to package basket?
[09:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: there's no regular package available.. (?)
[09:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee was telling me I needed to, and then I might not have to...
[09:14] <RockMan> _StefanS_: it's a patch to bluez-utils 3.9
[09:14] <_StefanS_> RockMan: I'll grab the source and compile with the patch then
[09:16] <RockMan> _StefanS_: not _everything.. you just need to configure, cd daemon and do "make passkey-agent"
[09:16] <_StefanS_> oka
[09:16] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I'll test it.
[09:22] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: 1.0.1 ?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> RockMan: what dbus dev packages is needed?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> RockMan: already got libdbus-1-dev
[09:23] <Tm_T> anyone can confirm Firefox steal focus really agressively, like if you start opening page and then switch to other desktop, cookie guery grabs you back to desktop where Firefox is
[09:23] <RockMan> _StefanS_: dunnow, i don't use ubuntu :P
[09:23] <_StefanS_> RockMan: np
[09:23] <Tm_T> can't remember seen this outside KDE
[09:26] <_StefanS_> RockMan: compiled it now, should I just temporarily replace the current passkey-agent ?
[09:26] <RockMan> _StefanS_: you can run it from current directory, ./passkey-agent blablabla
[09:26] <_StefanS_> oka
[09:29] <_StefanS_> RockMan: it complains about the passkey agent already exists, how do I solve that ?
[09:29] <RockMan> _StefanS_: kill current executing passkey agent first
[09:29] <RockMan> killall passkey-agent
[09:29] <_StefanS_> oh jeez
[09:29] <_StefanS_> RockMan: ofcourse
[09:30] <_StefanS_> works!!
[09:30] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:30] <_StefanS_> RockMan: kudos on the patch
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ^
[09:31] <RockMan> (kudos? oO)
[09:31] <Riddell> excellent
[09:31] <_StefanS_> RockMan: well I must have been playing PGR way to much ..
[09:32] <_StefanS_> RockMan: "great job" :)
[09:32] <RockMan> lol
[09:32] <_StefanS_> heh
[09:32] <RockMan> np
[09:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: fancy sending me a debdiff?
[09:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: great, thanks
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well I could try, but you know me and debdiff's ;)
[09:33] <rbrunhuber> No everything can breath again. My problem seems fixed (thanks to Rockman) and I can stop poking everything. :-P
[09:33] <rbrunhuber> *everyone
[09:35] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Looks like 1.0.1 is on repos already
[09:35] <rbrunhuber> Are can you help me with patch?
[09:35] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: wow
[09:35] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: can you compile freedroid-rpg?
[09:35] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: what, package it?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Yup
[09:35] <rbrunhuber> what is the syntax of patch?
[09:36] <ryanakca> rbrunhuber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[09:36] <DaSkreech> No I don't think it exists in the repos
[09:36] <DaSkreech> they ressed it two months ago
[09:36] <ryanakca> !freedroid
[09:36] <ubotu> freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (edgy), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB
[09:36] <ryanakca> that?
[09:37] <DaSkreech> no freedroid-rpg
[09:37] <DaSkreech>  that fooled me as well
[09:37] <DaSkreech> Hold up
[09:38] <ryanakca> kk
[09:39] <ryanakca> btw... wouldn't it have to wait till feisty+1 to get into repos?'
[09:39] <DaSkreech> http://freedroid.sourceforge.net/
[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell, _StefanS_: want me to test and upload the pin-helper patch ?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: check your mail
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah but wouldn't it be nice to start now :-)
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll mail it to you now
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: there you go
[09:39] <crimsun> Tonio_: merged into git, will be in our next kernel [http://hera.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c;h=fe30725b05addb04c57b17f244ef1e5a8fe56248;hp=a57ee89818ff8c0beb7058726bae938ad57891b6;hb=d8e15fac5c00981c044fb8c3397949c921108f13;hpb=e813cfe016a57c0155660f7c247b479bbeb9c8d8 ]
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: thanks, will test and upload tomorrow
[09:40] <ryanakca> wow... that's a long URL :D
[09:40] <Tonio_> crimsun: perfect, thanks a lot )
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: wil do that tomorrow morning
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good thing
[09:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great
[09:41] <_StefanS_> hey how's that k3b coming ? does it make you think ?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> final I mean ..
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah I should try out this new Blingy k3b :)
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Does it burn BluRay?
[09:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can't seem to get your last email to display in kontact.. http://blog.ryanak.ca/kontact.png
[09:42] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: its sweet stuff I tell you
[09:42] <DaSkreech> I've been hearing it's the last thing you need for burning in a tux
[09:42] <Tonio_> hard day tomorrow, since my todo list grown a lot last week ;)
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: let me know if I can help out.
[09:44] <DaSkreech> I heard that there is a ubuntu games team now?
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: mostly administrative things, UVF exceptions to write, ping the "boss" for pending things in the NEW queue etc....
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nothing you can help I guess :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: even though the kdesu doesn't make it, I already handcoded the new dialog that mimics regular kdesu.. dont know when it gets finished though :(
[09:45] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Can you send me the package or the debdiff i can't get this going here :-)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: email?
[09:46] <rbrunhuber><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:46] <rbrunhuber> shit
[09:46] <rbrunhuber> wrong
[09:46] <rbrunhuber><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:46] <_StefanS_> argh
[09:46] <_StefanS_> I just sent it :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: there
[09:47] <rbrunhuber> I hope not that some is no thinking that you sent him a virus :-)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: it bounced, address doesn't exist - so dont worry
[09:47] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: pooh
[09:51] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: has been one for quite a while
[09:51] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: no irc chan?
[09:52] <ryanakca> #ubuntu-games
[09:52] <DaSkreech> There is a #kubuntu-de-games
[09:53] <DaSkreech> apparently our KDE friends from Germany are very serious about games :)
[09:57] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Thank you
[09:57] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: np
[09:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what still needs to be done?
[10:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: no ideas there, there's nothing special about that e-mail
[10:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-March/001648.html
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: implement password check (true/false - can be copied from existing KDEsuDlg::checkPassword), and slots for buttons (Ok, Cancel, Ignore - its small stuff), fade (it just overlays greys the background now)
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot2.png
[10:03] <Riddell> _StefanS_: blinging
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yea, and it seems to fix that concern we had about being the topmost window
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: used 4 hours last night, and could stop coding on the thing hehe
[10:06] <nixternal> Riddell: who do I need to talk to in order to get access to change Bug statuses on bugs.kde.org? The only way I can close bugs now is by committing to SVN with BUG:#
[10:22] <Lure> nixternal: kde admin
[10:22] <nixternal> thanks Lure
[10:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: hero of the week :)
[10:25] <nixternal> woot?
[10:26] <nixternal> I am? wth did I do this time?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> I don't Riddell blogged it some time recently :)
[10:26] <nixternal> so KDE 4 10/07
[10:26] <DaSkreech> Was it last week?
[10:26] <nixternal> orly
[10:26] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yeah so Kubuntu with KDE 4.1 in 08/04
[10:27] <nixternal> yay!
[10:27] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:27] <nixternal> so that means I don't have any super crazy work to do for Feisty +1 in the terms of new docs
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Oh Don't foll yourself :)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Fool
[10:27] <DaSkreech> But you are off to document for KDE4 correct?
[10:28] <nixternal> heh, I am hiding, #kontact is my new employer for the time being
[10:28] <nixternal> you know it!
[10:28] <DaSkreech> So most of your work will be already ready to use
[10:28] <nixternal> I am working with Kontact, KOffice 2 and whatever is open in KDE4
[10:28] <nixternal> that is true
[10:28] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: I'm too dump for this
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Entice some nice young thing from #kubuntu to follow you and clean up for the Kubutnu Krowd
[10:28] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: let me build the package for you then :)
[10:28] <nixternal> haha
[10:29] <DaSkreech> They are closing the doors in april so you'll have plenty of time to know what gets dropped
[10:29] <nixternal> DaSkreech: that sounded very perverted, and truthfully, you scare me ;p
[10:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Where does it get perverted?
[10:29] <nixternal> Entice some nice young thing...
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Ah bwoy
[10:29] <nixternal> ahaha
[10:30] <nixternal> nice
[10:30] <nixternal> KleanSweep
[10:30] <DaSkreech> I don't know about a Klean Sweep
[10:30] <DaSkreech>  We need some stuff in that head
[10:30] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: what arch are you on ?
[10:31] <nixternal> DaSkreech: then I suggest someone apt-get's some stuff into it ;p
[10:31] <DaSkreech> How apt :)
[10:31] <rbrunhuber> rbrunhuber: 32bit
[10:31] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: ok good
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Debtags work in adept again!!!
[10:33] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: http://enhance-it.dk/deb/
[10:34] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: should work, but no guarantees
[10:40] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_, RockMan, Riddell: I'm really happy now.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: sounds good, the official patch will be out tomorrow when Tonio_ gets around to that on the TODO list :)
[10:42] <_StefanS_> RockMan: babelfish ? :)
[10:42] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: I'm german so: Here at your service :-)
[10:42] <RockMan> it's protected with a password, so i can't translate :S
[10:43] <RockMan> united-domains.de.. do you know that?
[10:43] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: So this renders my offer useless too
[10:43] <rbrunhuber> heard of it
[10:43] <RockMan> i have to leave that, and i should find an "authorization code"
[10:45] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: You should have got the auth code via email
[10:45] <RockMan> seems so...
[10:45] <RockMan> 5 working-days to send me a code? :'(
[10:45] <RockMan> (and the domain expires tomorrow)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> RockMan: must be a really hard code to make...
[10:46] <rbrunhuber> Do you want to move to another domain?
[10:46] <RockMan> rbrunhuber: no, the same
[10:46] <RockMan> just another provider
[10:46] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: I think this is more a problem between the the registrar and denic
[10:47] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: So you keep the domain but move to another provider?
[10:47] <RockMan> that's the idea..
[10:47] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Is this a german domain?
[10:47] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: .de?
[10:47] <RockMan> nope, .org
[10:48] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Did you send them the "change me provider" letter?
[10:48] <RockMan> nope.. the problem is that i didn't registered that domain...
[10:48] <RockMan> it was donated
[10:49] <RockMan> (and i didn't know it was expiring...)
[10:49] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Doesn't that mean that you can't move domain?
[10:49] <RockMan> it seems so :S or at least, i'd need time (and i don't have it, it expires tomorrow)
[10:49] <RockMan> what does happen when a .org expires? it's locked or what?
[10:50] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Hopefully it goes to "transfer" status as a de domain.
[10:50] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: But i don't know.
[10:51] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Can't you just contact the donator and ask him to get things done?
[10:51] <RockMan> already done, but i doubt he can do it until tomorrow...
[10:51] <RockMan> we'll see, anyway
[10:55] <rbrunhuber> RockMan: Thank you again. I'll have to go now. I'll come to kmobiletools irc for "further instructions" on your testing thing tomorrow. OK?
[10:55] <RockMan> ok.. thank you too then :)
[10:55] <RockMan> bye
[11:00] <Riddell> nixternal: sysadmin@ I think
[11:13] <yuriy> Riddell: still no SoC ideas up? or have applications been coming in anyways?
[11:16] <Riddell> yuriy: I have one
[11:16] <Riddell> which is enough for me
[11:17] <yuriy> Riddell: doesn't kubuntu get 4?
[11:17] <Riddell> no
[11:20] <yuriy> does ubuntu have fewer overall this year?
[11:22] <Riddell> we won't know until they get allocated
[11:22] <Riddell> but I'd rather students found me than the other way around, experience shows that works best
[12:06] <Majost> I was wondering if anyone knew about sound issues in feisty with intel audio chipsets
[12:06] <Majost> trying to find an existing bug.. but there does not seem to be a single bug covering this potentially large issue.
[12:07] <crimsun> which one in particular?
[12:07] <crimsun> (I lead that team)
[12:09] <Majost> basically it seems that hda audio is defunct
[12:09] <naught101> anyone noticed konqueror freezing for a while during startup?
[12:09] <crimsun> Majost: hardly
[12:09] <crimsun> Majost: the problem is that the HDA spec is implemented by various codec manufacturers to randomly crappy degrees
[12:10] <Majost> hah
[12:10] <crimsun> hence half of my time is spent triaging bugs and patching over the cases where vendors like Realtek and Sigmatel have screwed up
[12:10] <Majost> also there is an issue with systems using the snd_intel8x0 driver produces very faint sound
[12:11] <crimsun> that's a different beast altogether
[12:11] <crimsun> those are AC '97-based, not HDA-based
[12:11] <Majost> I should put you in contact with one of our developers... he is working on a kernel level oss forwarder
[12:11] <Majost> which is now in alpha
[12:12] <crimsun> "oss forwarder"?
[12:13] <crimsun> (I can guess, but clarification is still appreciated)
[12:13] <crimsun> anyhow, what's the real issue?
[12:14] <crimsun> perceptive loudness with snd-ac97-codec?
[12:14] <crimsun> mmkay.


[20:34] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning
[20:35] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hi
[20:35] <jbicha> could you subscribe desktop-bugs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-autoar/
[20:36] <robert_ancell> jbicha, done
[20:37] <jbicha> thank you


[18:12] <kgiii> Today, it took 40 minutes from the time I first noticed that the testing tracker said the build was ready until the time I could actually use any of the download links.


[02:40] <trrees> Hi, I have booted lubuntu from a usb on an old ThinkPad, but I cannot detect Wifi... any thought on what to do?
[02:43] <holstein> !wifi
[02:43] <holstein> depends on the wifi chip. maybe its not supporting linux.. maybe it can be supported..
[09:43] <HiDeHo> hi all how do i change the default browser to Chromium. i cant do it from chromium
[10:44] <djoi298> how do you change and set the basic keyboard hotkeys?
[10:45] <djoi298> how do you close multiple windows of the same app at once from the task bar?
[12:18] <djoi298> is this the official support channel?
[12:18] <leszek> djoi298: yes it is
[12:19] <djoi298> so does anyone know how to change/set the basic keyboard hotkeys and close multiple windows of the same app at once from the task bar?
[12:22] <leszek> djoi298: for basic keyboard hotkeys please take a look at how to configure openbox hotkeys. There is an .xml config file that needs to be edited. Openbox is the default window manager on lubuntu
[12:23] <leszek> as for the taskbar thing. I think this only works if the task is grouped together. But I am not sure as I never really needed that feature
[12:24] <djoi298> is all this fixed in the PPA?
[12:25] <leszek> fixed ? What should be fixed ?
[12:25] <djoi298> like an app for making keyboard hotkeys and to be able to close multiple windows at once
[12:27] <leszek> djoi298: I don't think there is a graphical configuration tool for hotkeys. And for the panel thing. I really don't know
[12:30] <leszek> djoi298: btw. here is a short tutorial on how to edit the hotkeys: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard
[17:19] <wxl> anyone successfully using .XCompose? i can't get it to work for the life of me
[17:21]  * ianorlin does not
[17:21] <wxl> hm, i can't even get it to work on kubuntu
[21:18]  * likemindead can't get over how fast Lubuntu is on this ancient laptop.
[21:25] <wxl> likemindead: that's always a nice feeling :)
[21:46] <likemindead> Heck yes. This Lenovo 3000 N100 is going on nine years old. Runs Lubuntu amazingly.
[21:46] <wxl> nice :)
[21:46] <wxl> now that you have all that extra time you're not waiting on your computer, you can help with the project ;)
[21:50] <xxxlubuntuhelper> hello m8's who needs some help!
[21:51] <wxl> heheheh
[21:52] <wxl> seriously tho likemindead there are several places you can help if you like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[21:52] <holstein> such as http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:53] <wxl> he means https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[21:53] <wxl> which, yes we need
[21:53] <wxl> especially as we grow closer to the 15.04 release
[21:53] <holstein> i dont think folks realize how helpful that is
[21:53] <wxl> you don't need to wipe your computer out to do it
[21:53] <holstein> well, "you" left the channel.. anyway
[21:54] <wxl> i think bug triage is also particularly helpful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Bugs
[21:54] <wxl> holstein: hm?
[21:54] <wxl> oh
[21:54] <holstein> the person we are talking to.. they are gone
[21:54] <holstein> i tried the bug thing.. its not my thing..
[21:54] <wxl> no i was talking to likemindead who is still here
[21:54] <holstein> nope
[21:55] <holstein> its just you and me, wxl .. correcting each other ;)
[21:56] <wxl> 1hahahah
[21:56] <wxl> well he is gone noe
[22:00] <Cold|Inz> Hi, anyone here who's been having trouble getting reasonable resolutions with nvidia drivers? Everything else seems to work fine, but I can't for the life of me get higher resolutions than 1360x780, and normally in windows this computer runs 1680x1050..
[22:00] <holstein> Cold|Inz: sure.. i have
[22:00] <Cold|Inz> I guess most people have. Linux does have a tendency of just not wanting to work.
[22:00] <holstein> Cold|Inz: the issue there is with the comparison to the windows driver.. you are promised "good" windows support..
[22:00] <holstein> Cold|Inz: ?
[22:01] <holstein> this has *nothing* to do with the linux operating system.. anyone can create a driver that works well in linux, and provides whatevrer resolution you want
[22:01] <holstein> you may find, for example, if you were trying to run OSX on that hardware, that it may not even load.. that doesnt mean its a short coming in OSX..
[22:02] <holstein> if you want linux to "just work", try emulating the workflow you are likely more used to, where, you purchase a machine that promises support for the operating system you want to use.. such as system876
[22:02] <holstein> system76*.. otherwise, you can research hardware *before* purchase, or try live iso's on the hardware..
[22:03] <Cold|Inz> Yes yes, I know. I'm just kinda tired of problems here and there.
[22:03] <holstein> Cold|Inz: are you trying the open and proprietary drivers?
[22:03] <Cold|Inz> yes, nvidia prop drivers
[22:04] <holstein> Cold|Inz: sure.. its just key, i feel, to recognize where that problem is.. since, a team of experts were hired to make sure windows runs well on that hardware.. you basically take that responsibility on when you want to run another unsupported operating system
[22:04] <Cold|Inz> tried having nvidia-xconf set the xorg file as well
[22:04] <holstein> Cold|Inz: so, have you tried *both* the open and proprietary nvidia drivers?
[22:05] <Cold|Inz> gimme a hint please, how would I get the open drivers?
[22:05] <holstein> Cold|Inz: the open drivers are just what is in the kernel, when you boot the machine
[22:06] <holstein> what i will do is, try many live iso's with different kernels and open driver versions.. see if anything "just works" for me
[22:06] <Cold|Inz> oh, like nouveau?
[22:06] <holstein> that *is* the open nvidia driver
[22:07] <holstein> i'll usually try both, and *many* versions of both before a final install
[22:07] <Cold|Inz> ah, then yes I've tried it. had alot of trouble with it on a mint install ..
[22:07] <holstein> Cold|Inz: sure.. but that "mint install" is one kernel.. one open driver
[22:08] <Cold|Inz> I've installed and used several distros on a couple laptops I have, with great success, but this time it's on my stationary, and things seems to go nicely along, except the resolutions-issue
[22:09] <Cold|Inz> thanks for the tip though
[22:09] <holstein> yup
[22:09] <holstein> i have had that *same* issue.. with my audio production machine.. i need/want dual head, so i added an nvidia card
[22:09] <Cold|Inz> although, to my knowledge, the open driver that comes with the installs are vastly inferior to the proprietary ones
[22:09] <holstein> the open driver works "out of the box" now, best for that device
[22:10] <holstein> Cold|Inz: sure.. its just not the case
[22:10] <holstein> Cold|Inz: its not "vastly inferior".. its open.. vs the proprietary one that nvidia provides
[22:10] <holstein> Cold|Inz: some cases, the open one works *great*, and best.. some cases.. not at all.. some cases, nvidia hasnt done anything to facilitate the hardware working in linux, and the hardware wont work at all
[22:11] <holstein> i say, try other options.. for me, when im dealing with, such as that production machine i referenced, a device that im not promised support for.. when i get it, i make sure im comfortable with it *not* working
[22:12] <holstein> it was literally 8 bucks, so, i went into that knowing that, if it never worked, i would be ok with that
[22:12] <holstein> i *didnt* go buy the latest and greatest, since i didnt need it. i just wanted to add dual head, and  that device would do that, for sure. all i had to do was provide the linux support for it
[22:13] <holstein> so, i tried a slew of live iso's on the hardware. *then* in installed ubuntu, actually, a few times.. trying different proprietary drivers
[22:13] <holstein> that worked great, til an updated changed the resolution, as you mention, much smaller than what i wanted.. so, i went to an older debian stable base on the hardware..
[22:14] <holstein> but, last time i tried ubuntu live, with the open driver, it worked *great* out of the box..
[22:14] <Cold|Inz> I have been itching to go full linux for a while, even if I'm alittle n00b still. mayhaps as you say, the best thing is to look for new hardware.. keep this one as a gamingstation..
[22:14] <holstein> "new" doenst help either
[22:14] <holstein> what you want is "linux" hardware.. hardware that promises you linux support
[22:15] <holstein> otherwise, you get what you get, and you have to take responsibility..
[22:18] <Cold|Inz> well, my wallet wouldn't allow "new" either, I meant other


[05:15] <tarzeau> yurtesen: usually it's who is defined in debian/control (Maintainer and Uploader fields), depends on if it's a 0changed in ubuntu pkg or not, if it's fixed in debian but not ubuntu, requestsync is required (i don't know until when it's supported, 22.04 is short before release)
[06:47] <tarzeau> yurtesen: that maintainer (the team) is the one of debian, where it's fixed already. so since it's only an ubuntu related problem, the debian people should not have been bothered
[06:47] <tarzeau> i think the requestsync thing would have been enough, or asking someone else in here (sorry i'm no ubuntu expert)
[07:18] <yurtesen> tarzeau: it is not comopletely true that it is fixed in Debian, it just does not effect Debian. But I see from changelog that at least one other thing which did not effect Debian was backported to Debian also.
[07:24] <yurtesen> tarzeau: I could try requestsync it sounds like a good idea (I was just reading about the process) but then why did I do debdiff? The sponsorship queue wiki says in 1st step to check is that patch is in debdiff format... I am officially confused :)
[07:24] <yurtesen> I mean this wiki -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[07:28] <tarzeau> yurtesen: yeah debdiff is even better...
[07:28] <tarzeau> yurtesen: you did all well.
[08:44] <yurtesen> tarzeau: if in Ubuntu there is no maintainer for this package. Who should maintain it? it feels like this is falling through the cracks here.
[09:05] <schopin> yurtesen: universe is a best-effort place, there usually isn't any one person or group designated to care for a given package.
[09:12] <yurtesen> schopin: Is that a mild way of saying packages in universe are unmaintained? What if somebody wants to help maintain a package in universe? Is it even possible to help?
[10:13] <schopin> yurtesen: I haven't been around long enough to be able to tell you how one could maintain a specific package in Ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers seems to imply there's a way to do that via delegated teams.
[10:16] <schopin> but as a first step, my guess is that you're already doing what's possible: providing patches and waiting for someone to sponsor them.
[10:18] <schopin> yurtesen: is your tomcat issue also relevant to impish?
[10:30] <yurtesen> schopin: yes it is, also indirectly focal as in focal as that package does not include any fixes related to the issue yet.
[10:30] <schopin> yurtesen: you're going to have to make your bug SRU-ready https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:31] <schopin> yurtesen: I'm willing to help you but sadly I don't know anything about logrotate :/
[11:10] <rbasak> yurtesen: packages in Ubuntu are generally team-maintained. We don't usually nominate specific people to packages, only teams.
[11:11] <rbasak> The problem here is that there aren't enough qualified people reviewing contributions from non-qualified people :-/
[11:11] <rbasak> Ideally, we'd get good contributions from non-qualified people and get them qualified to be able to fix things without further supervision.
[11:11] <rbasak> I did glance at your fix, but the problem is that it wasn't immediately obvious to me that it is the correct fix. It would take me some research to confirm that for myself. I've added it to my todo list but I'm quite busy.
[11:13] <rbasak> Ideally you'd join our set of trusted uploaders and then help others join too.
[11:24] <yurtesen> schopin: But it effects jammy also. I would be happy to get it fixed for jammy as a start. I think it would be an easier path since jammy is not released yet. If you can help, you do not need to know much about logrotate or syslog. I am willing to try to answer any questions you might have in a way that anybody can understand. Because if we do not try, we failed already. :)
[11:26] <schopin> Well, I do need to know about those, since it's their integration that is buggy. As a rule, I only upload patches that I understand :)
[11:27] <yurtesen> rbasak: I understand but since there are nobody reviewing my suggestion, It appears I can never become qualified enough to fix things without further supervision. Of course if there is something wrong with my fix, I would like to learn and make a better suggestion. But right now, I am getting no feedback so that is also impossible.
[11:29] <yurtesen> schopin: Well syslog writes log files and logrotate rotates them :p it is not rocket science. But in case of Ubuntu, somebody decided syslogd should run as `syslog` user. I wish I could find that person and get him to help me. :) is there a way to find who decided this? because in Debian syslog runs as `root` user...
[11:31] <schopin> yurtesen: as a rule you should be able to find out such stuff by looking at /usr/share/doc/logrotate/changelog.Debian.gz ;)
[11:33] <yurtesen> schopin: that was really useful comment :) thanks. It appears this change is actually quite new "Steve Langasek<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 29 Dec 2021"
[11:35] <schopin> yurtesen: I see how you came to this conclusion, but actually no, this changelog entry is from a merge, so this lists all the differences from Debian that are *still* part of the packaging.
[11:38] <schopin> yurtesen: doing some more digging in the changelog, it appears this change has been introduced back in 2009, see LP: #388608 and LP: #250827
[11:42] <yurtesen> schopin: thanks it seems as Michael Terry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but he seem to have left canonical in 2017 according to linkedin :D
[11:48] <yurtesen> I guess he won't be able to help with this. I guess if this change was also in upstream Debian, now we would not be here either. :(
[11:52] <yurtesen> At least nobody can say I did no try: "Your message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>couldn't be delivered. michael.terry wasn't found at canonical.com."
[12:28] <rbasak> yurtesen: you're in my TODO but a few days away yet unfortunately. But please remain active here and keep asking. The way to get priority treatment is to ensure that everyone knows you're around and won't just disappear. Then potential sponsors will feel that it's worth spending time on your contributions, and you can build your reputation up from there.
[12:28] <rbasak> It'd be good if it this wasn't necessary.
[12:41] <yurtesen> rbasak: I will be around. I am happy that you will have a look at it. Thank you. I am fine being here, as long as people do not start complaining about me begging daily :)