[09:31] <saurabh> Zoem: i ultimately restarted the machine, it still doesnt start
[09:31] <Zoem> saurabh, can you repaste xorg.conf pls?
[09:31] <ayllu> use envyng, and check xorg
[09:32] <Zoem> coz_, perhaps it is part of nvidia-glx-legacy now?
[09:32] <compwiz18> !envy
[09:32] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[09:32] <TychoQuad> ayllu, try http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceChat
[09:32] <david> ayllu: sync or just copy files
[09:32] <coz_> Zoem,  no it isnt  and I never use glx i always manually install from nvidia however in hardy this driver refuses to install
[09:33] <Zoem> coz_, I wouldn't know about that, I need to use the 173.0x beta :/
[09:33] <ayllu> just copy files, i install, synce but nautiles cant sopurt it
[09:33] <david> if copying files is the goal, then it's much easier to just use a cardreader ayllu
[09:33] <saurabh> Zoem: new xorg.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m5ba00f10
[09:34] <coz_> Zoem, yeah I understand   however even though the 100.xx and up install fine on hardy they do not fair well with my video card on this system
[09:34] <ayllu> the think is, hardy has upgrade from gnomevfs to gvfs, so nautilus cant supourt syce
[09:35] <david> did you ever manage to sync properly prior to hardy?
[09:35] <Zoem> saurabh, how badly do you want this? feel like manually editing your xorg.conf?
[09:35] <Zoem> coz_, sorry, I don't know what to do about that? maybe try envy?
[09:36] <coz_> Zoem, no I dont use envy  thanks
[09:36] <coz_> :)
[09:36] <parthibls> Hi....NEED SOME HELP!......Trying to setup Hardy on a new desktop.......Everything is fine except the on-board LAN on the NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 isn't working
[09:36] <ayllu> i install the backports for hardy, but i seen ist dosnt a upgrade, o maybe is a bug, because, i can do all, also installing programs but not copy files
[09:36] <parthibls> any SUGGESTIONS??
[09:36] <Zoem> coz_, well, maybe the beta then? I dunno, sorry :/
[09:37] <coz_> Zoem,  no thats ok I was just wondering if anyone knew why that particular driver would not install on hardy
[09:37] <Zoem> Identifier "Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device"
[09:37] <Zoem> Driver "i810"
[09:37] <Zoem> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
[09:37] <Zoem> Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[09:37] <Zoem> EndSection
[09:38] <Zoem> I cut/paste fail :(
[09:39] <HorizonXP> compwiz18: bug report 216689
[09:39] <vox> i seem to have an issue with anything that requires su within gnome.  anytime i click on, say, Synaptic, it says "starting Administrative Application" on the taskbar, then after a few seconds it goes away and nothing happens.
[09:39] <ayllu> I can not  explore the divace, but synce-tryicon i can install a program. so i think there is soomething arrund to fix it, to que synce work whit nautilus, i read many post on then net and i think im alone whit that problem
[09:39] <saurabh> Zoem: well, i used to do that in feisty and gutsy, but what i dont understand is why it doesnt work, if it doesnt work here, there will be a lot of people without this
[09:40] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, found a fix for Synergy you can pass on to your friend. Found in the forums that running it as root fixes the problem. For me it's working so far as root.
[09:40] <bazhang> vox use sudo not su
[09:40] <TychoQuad> thanks DrUnKnMuNkY, will be sure to let him know
[09:41] <Zoem> saurabh, what I am seeing is that your xorg.conf is not being configured for any kind of graphics adapter at all. This prolly has to do with some changes to the driver managers or to xserver
[09:41] <TychoQuad> bazhang, i have the same problem using sudo and kismet
[09:41] <DrUnKnMuNkY> vox, try using gksudo if you're not running the app from a terminal
[09:41] <Zoem> saurabh, there have been a few instances of things getting worse rather than betten :(
[09:43] <parthibls> anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[09:44] <vox> DrUnKnMuNkY: tried that aswell, makes no difference
[09:44] <vox> bazhang: sorry, gksu/gksudo
[09:44] <TychoQuad> same, continues to cause no applications to start
[09:45] <bazhang> vox are you running as root?
[09:45] <vox> bazhang: no, im logged into gnome as a user
[09:45] <TychoQuad> same
[09:45] <bazhang> vox what is the app you wish to use sudo/gksudo on?
[09:45] <saurabh> Zoem: from what i know, the new xorg auto configures everything but here is the output of compiz --replace http://pastebin.com/m74985877
[09:46] <TychoQuad> bazhang, i get the same problem as vox only with kismet
[09:46] <HorizonXP> hey, is anyone noticing freezes with compiz and nvidia cards? like, randomly? and the system mouse still works, just graphics doesn't?
[09:46] <TychoQuad> I believe he was attempting to start synaptic
[09:46] <vox> bazhang: er anything? Synaptic/Network/Printing/System Log/etc
[09:47] <bazhang> vox sounds odd; how long has this been happening?
[09:47] <parthibls> anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[09:47] <vox> bazhang: since i dist-upgraded to hardy from gutsy about 3 weeks ago
[09:47] <TychoQuad> bazhang, same
[09:48] <Zoem> saurabh, that actually looks like you do not have the driver installed... lemme look into that
[09:48] <bazhang> vox you have no ability to update or upgrade for three weeks?
[09:48] <vox> no
[09:48] <vox> i know how to use apt
[09:48] <vox> but this is a problem with gksu/gksudo
[09:48] <david> 11 days left :)
[09:48] <bazhang> vox so your dpkg is broken? no updates at all?
[09:48] <vox> which affects /alot/ of things
[09:48] <vox> nononono
[09:49] <vox> gksu/gksudo doesnt work properly.
[09:49] <david> wonder how many updates us betausers will get to achieve 8.04 LTS stable
[09:49] <david> (on day 0)
[09:49] <bazhang> david about 700-800 or more ;]
[09:49] <Gnine> !bug | vox
[09:49] <ubotu> vox: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:50] <david> bazhang: :D
[09:50] <bicyclist> !brightness
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brightness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <bicyclist> !nvidia
[09:50] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:50] <Zoem> saurabh, you have intel 965 video card?
[09:51] <Fritzel`> does anyon else not have busy pointers?
[09:51] <vox> mmm it's listed
[09:52] <TychoQuad> what's the bug number vox?
[09:52] <vox> 55172
[09:52] <bazhang> bug #55172
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 55172 in gksu "gksu dies on first run" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55172
[09:53] <saurabh> Zoem: its an Intel GMA 950
[09:54] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, can you do lspci and look for lines with "VGA compatible controller:" pls
[09:56] <saurabh> Zoem: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[09:57] <Zoem> neato
[09:58] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, I finally got my head out of my a** and found something that could be useful:)
[09:58] <Zoem> saurabh, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253856&highlight=AIGLX
[09:59] <sailaway85> hi all
[10:00] <Zoem> saurabh, although, that is a bit dated...
[10:00] <Zoem> saurabh, if that can't help then I'm all out, sorry :(
[10:01] <saurabh> Zoem: u tried hard man, thanks! i will read it and try and tell you if it worked
[10:01] <saurabh> Zoem: brb
[10:02] <Zoem> saurabh, oh, I need to go sleep, so I have to call it a night
[10:02] <Zoem> saurabh, good luck
[10:03] <Fritzel`> does anyone who uses any mouse pointer theme except for KDE classic have invisible "busy" and "working in background" pointers?
[10:05] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: I seem to use DMZ white, and those two work fine for me
[10:05] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: I don't even seem to have "KDE classic" as a cursor theme option...
[10:06] <tapas> anyone else experience gnome-appearance-properties eating 100% cpu even after closing it?
[10:06] <tapas> [it continues until i kill the process manually]
[10:06] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: -nod- I installed probably about 30 additional pointer thems just to get away from KDE classic (it's ugly) and every single one of them have a missing busy and working in the background pointer
[10:06] <tapas> it has been so for me for quite a while, but never really used gnome
[10:07] <Fritzel`> except for KDE classic
[10:07] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: tried this one I am using yet?
[10:07] <Fritzel`> is it in the repos?
[10:07] <Fritzel`> I don't have it
[10:07] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: no idea...
[10:07] <_bt> hi, i need to report a bug but don't really know what package to file against. its to do with a USB volume not being unmounted properly on shutdown , because it is being shared by samba. any ideas?
[10:08] <Fritzel`> installing it now
[10:08] <TychoQuad> _bt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/101845 volumes aren't being dismounted on shutdown at all atm
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101845 in hal "Automounted Volumes mount points change" [High,In progress]
[10:09] <Fritzel`> no those too are invislbe
[10:09] <Fritzel`> invisible
[10:09] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: hmm, or is kde classic the one labeled "System theme" - "Do not change curson theme"?
[10:09] <Fritzel`> here it's called KDE Classic
[10:09] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: interesting. Maybe me upgrading from Gutsy made it different for me...
[10:10] <Fritzel`> "KDE Classic" "The default cursor theme in KDE 2 and 3"
[10:10] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: that could be I installed fresh
[10:10] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: all themes I have seem happily have 6 different states
[10:11] <Fritzel`> has anyone else done a fresh install of hardy KDE4?
[10:11] <_bt> TychoQuad: thanks, that looks like the one.
[10:11] <TychoQuad> your welcome
[10:12] <parthibls> anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working on Haardy??
[10:12] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: oh,  kde4! You did not mention that earlier...
[10:12] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: What I said about mine only applies to my kde3.5.9, have not tried that on kde4
[10:12] <Fritzel`> Lynoure: -nod-
[10:13] <Fritzel`> well I don't want to report it till I can get a confirmed second case?
[10:13] <Fritzel`> er -?
[10:13] <_bt> TychoQuad: that probably should have been fixed before now
[10:14] <TychoQuad> _bt, no kidding, but it hasn't been.  I want to reinstallit
[10:14] <x0x> can anyone tell me how to make text mode colorful?
[10:14] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: It's ok to report a bug regardless. It will show as unconfirmed until someone confirms it, anyway
[10:14] <Fritzel`> or how can I find that out myself
[10:15] <_bt> TychoQuad: i think i might have a slight variation on that bug. because samba is sharing the volume, its not being unmounted either. which causes it to be checked on bootup, etc.
[10:15] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: but if you are patient and wait a bit, I could switch to kde4 to try.
[10:15] <Fritzel`> I've got time though I may not be awake more often, if you do, I'd appreciate a /msg with what you find
[10:15] <Fritzel`> more often = much longer,
[10:15] <Fritzel`> maybe I'm more tired than I thought ^^
[10:15] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: (or you could ask on #kubuntu-kde4, which might have someone else awake)
[10:16] <Fritzel`> good idea
[10:16] <Lynoure> Fritzel`: sleep and away logging = goodness
[10:16] <Fritzel`> ^^
[10:17] <x0x> can anyone tell me how to make bash colorful?
[10:18] <tapas> x0x: search for $PS1
[10:18] <x0x> tapas thanks
[10:19] <x0x> now i dont know where to put it
[10:19] <tapas> x0x: i guess you mean the prompt right?
[10:19] <tapas> have a look into ~/.bashr
[10:19] <x0x> yea
[10:19] <tapas> ~/.bashrc
[10:20] <x0x> nothing is here :S
[10:20] <tapas> ok, great all kde apps stopped working.. hmm
[10:20] <Fritzel`> ok that may not have been the best thing I've ever done
[10:20] <x0x>  ~/.bashrc it is
[10:20] <Fritzel`> removed systemsettings so I could reinstall it clean and now systemsettings is a blank sheet ><
[10:20] <tapas> x0x: yep
[10:21] <Lynoure> x0x: colorful how?
[10:21] <Fritzel`> what's the proper package for installing systemsettings-kde4?
[10:21] <x0x>    PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\$
[10:21] <x0x> do i have to edit it?
[10:21] <x0x> Lynoure ???
[10:21] <tanner> erm
[10:21] <Fritzel`> brb
[10:21] <tanner> i hate trying to get vmware to work with ubuntu :-\
[10:21] <Lynoure> x0x: what do you want to be in colour, the prompt or something else?
[10:21] <parthibls> anybody got NVidia GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 On-board LAN working??
[10:21] <tapas> i hate that gnome looks so sweet, but my whole system does sstrange things since i use it ;)
[10:22] <x0x> Lynoure everything :D
[10:23] <mat__> hello all... im trying to downgrade a version of wine...
[10:23] <Lynoure> x0x: that's a tall order.. look for a colour switch in all the little programs you use, and make an alias for using it
[10:23] <mat__> is there a howto? somewhere?
[10:23] <Fritzel> phew, ok got my systemsettings back
[10:23] <Jaymac> is there no realplayer package for hardy anymore (apart from ubuntu-restricted-extras perhaps?) the BBC iplayer radio is terrible quality with the real codec i have
[10:24] <x0x> Lynoure umm any examples?
[10:24] <Lynoure> x0x: e.g. alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[10:24] <Fritzel> Oi! and it worked too yay I've got busy pointers
[10:25] <Lynoure> Fritzel: :)
[10:25] <x0x> Lynoure ok thanks. how do i add color to promot ?
[10:26] <mat__> anyone? for a howto downgrading wine?
[10:26] <rinaldi_> hi im trying to mount my sony walkman connected to usb. It appears as a usb drive but when I click on it it says "unable to mount partition" anyone had this problem?
[10:27] <Lynoure> x0x: I think I'll look up a howto for you for that, as I have no idea whether you want every word in rainbow color or what
[10:27] <Fritzel> I wonder if that would work for my flickering taskbar
[10:27] <Fritzel> unfortunatly I have no idea what package that would be in
[10:28] <bazhang> mat__: best bet is #winehq
[10:28] <x0x> Lynoure rainbow color :D
[10:28] <Lynoure> x0x: http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Unix/Bash-prompts.php or http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/howtos/Bash-Prompt/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-12.html for more advanced examples
[10:29] <decay> !lamp
[10:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:29] <x0x> sweet
[10:29] <Lynoure> x0x: hmm, actually http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html is probably clearest
[10:31] <x0x> i am confoused
[10:31] <x0x> ok lamme see
[10:31] <mat__> bazhang i guess what i was looking for is the package system to have a downgrade available
[10:32] <bazhang> mat__: downgrading is very risky unless you really know what you are doing
[10:32] <x0x> Lynoure i am still confused :s
[10:32] <x0x> Lynoure can you edit one for me?
[10:33] <mat__> im just trying to downgrade one program...
[10:33] <bazhang> mat__: that may depend on other programs..
[10:33] <Lynoure> x0x: Sorry, there is a limit to things I do for free for strangers on a Sunday morning :)
[10:34] <x0x> lol
[10:34] <Lynoure> x0x: But it's learnable, you can learn it too (I rarely use colour codes in the prompt myself)
[10:35] <mat__> hmmm...
[10:35] <x0x> Lynoure can you pastebin your ~/.bashrc?
[10:36] <Lynoure> x0x: there is absolutely nothing special in there currently... What are you looking for?
[10:37] <bicyclist> Somebody heard any news about the mount problem with external drives ?
[10:37] <bicyclist> I still have unused directories left and my drives are mounted with more and more __ at the end.
[10:40] <Gater> Wanna be AN IRCOP? ---> http://crazyk.sytes.net/ http://crazyk.sytes.net/ http://crazyk.sytes.net/
[10:42] <bazhang> that is annoying
[10:42] <x0x> lol
[10:43] <x0x> might be virus
[10:43] <x0x> :p
[10:45] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[10:57] <Trollet> I have some problem to connect to Internet with DHCP with my Ubuntu Hardy. Help anyone?
[10:58] <DarphBobo> after installing updates i'm having trouble with playing movies.. totem have two scrollers.. and doesn't respond to keyboard shortcuts
[11:02] <DarphBobo> nobody here?
[11:02] <tarelerulz> wow DarphBobo that is lame .
[11:02] <jochmenDS> what is the release date?
[11:02] <jussio1> 24th
[11:02] <Lynoure> Trollet: you could pastebin the output of   sudo dhclient
[11:03] <Trollet> sure hang on
[11:03] <pwuertz> the gtk window decorator seems to be gone
[11:04] <DarphBobo> tarelerulz, ?
[11:05] <tarelerulz> Well, I feel you on updating and stuff don't seem to work right
[11:06] <tarelerulz> I updated to Ubuntu 8.04 and sound works ,but some feature don't work right like I can't see properties on .mkv I ripped
[11:06] <Trollet> Lynoure: where shall i pastbin it?
[11:09] <Lynoure> Trollet: any pastebin service you like, just post the resulting url to the channel
[11:09] <andre_> Hello =) Anyone knows how i add a key on a usb pendrive to my existing crypttab using passphrase, and only use the passphrase as a fallback? :)
[11:11] <Trollet> Lynoure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63027/
[11:12] <DarphBobo> just checked with old kernel, still same problem
[11:18] <DarphBobo> weird, works fine now after i tried mplayer and totem in terminal.. now the gui works fine
[11:20] <Trollet> Lynoure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63030/
[11:27] <Lynoure> Trollet: oh, sorry for the delay...
[11:27] <Lynoure> Trollet: that's the result of   sudo dhclient  ? Really?
[11:28] <Lynoure> Trollet: looks like   ifconfig
[11:28] <Trollet> Lynoure: there is two of them, the first is dhclient and the second is ifconfig -a
[11:30] <Lynoure> Trollet: oh, missed the first
[11:31] <Lynoure> Trollet: do you know the ip address of your dhcp server? Do you use a firewall between it and you?
[11:32] <Trollet> Lynoure: i have a router
[11:32] <membrive> hi!
[11:32] <jussio1> hi!
[11:32] <jagggy> when will hardy be fully released?
[11:32] <Trollet> Lynoure: The same router as the connection I use for this chat.
[11:32] <jussio1> membrive: its quite stable, but there still are bugs of course
[11:32] <jussio1> jagggy: 24th
[11:32] <jagggy> ty
[11:33] <Lynoure> Trollet: and it is the dhcp server, or the dhcp server is behind it?
[11:33] <membrive> jussi01, I am thinking about upgrade from gutsy, but I am scared xD
[11:33] <jussio1> membrive: its only 2 weeks away, why not wait
[11:33] <Trollet> Lynoure: the dhcp-server is the router
[11:33] <Lynoure> Trollet: if it is supposed to serve dhcp, do check it's settings. Might have run out of pool or just not to serve that mac address
[11:34] <membrive> jussi01, thats is true
[11:34] <membrive> I will wait I think
[11:34] <Trollet> Lynoure: I think the problem is that the Ubuntu computer is some kind of DHCP-server as well as the router and they are in a conflict.
[11:35] <Trollet> Lynoure: the router seems to work ok.
[11:35] <Lynoure> Trollet: have you set it to be dhcp server? It will not become one on it's own from the default install
[11:36] <Trollet> Lynoure: hmm i don't think so i just used the gnome tool do activate wired connection and dhcp
[11:36] <membrive> jussi01, LTS upgrade works for kubuntu too?
[11:38] <jussio1> membrive: apparently :)
[11:38] <membrive> ok xD
[11:39] <Lynoure> Trollet: tell me a bit more about the network. You said the same router serves some other computer as well? (My main recommendation is still to check the router dhcpserver settings, would not be the first time the ip pool for dhcp is just 1 or 2, or mac based)
[11:46] <Trollet> Lynoure: 1 or 2, or mac based?
[11:53] <Trollet> Lynoure: DHCP server is activated to the LAN network
[11:53] <Lynoure> Trollet: and how large ip pool does it have? any MAC settings?
[11:54] <Lynoure> Trollet: sometimes dhcp servers in routers just pass onward the one public address they get.
[11:54] <Trollet> Lynoure:  Starting IP Address <IP_ADDRESS> Ending IP Address <IP_ADDRESS> Lease Time 1 WEEK
[11:56] <Lynoure> Trollet: do you have firewall installed on your ubuntu? If not, next step would probably be tcpdump to see what gets sent out by dhclient. That's a bit fiddly.
[11:57] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone have crashes with firefox when on youtube
[11:57] <Trollet> Lynoure: ok i give it a try, brb
[11:58] <Trollet> Lynoure: i use default settings on Hardy
[12:08] <tarelerulz> Do any of you rip movies ? if so what do you use ?
[12:10] <TheInfinity> tarelerulz: HandBrake
[12:11] <tarelerulz> Does hand break do .mkv
[12:11] <Trollet> Lynoure: Thanks for all help, need to do other work now...
[12:12] <TheInfinity> dont know
[12:13] <TheInfinity> it makes excellent mpeg4 videos ;)
[12:13] <Lynoure> Trollet: I hope it gets sorted out for you at some point.
[12:13] <boritek> hello, i have no 3d in hardy. Jockey-gtk's list is empty.
[12:14] <boritek> although ATI driver is installed
[12:14] <tarelerulz> TheInfinity: I just went to the handgrake site and it says linux command line . No gui version . is it in the repository for ubuntu
[12:14] <TheInfinity> oh damn wrong channel - in osx you have a excellent gui ;)
[12:15] <Trollet> Lynoure: =)
[12:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random note about DHCP:
[12:15] <DanaG> I once had a Netgear router that simply REFUSED to give my computer an IP address.
[12:16] <tarelerulz> That like as it can be if did not want a gui I would just use mencoder and call it good.
[12:16] <boritek> can u help me, how i could make ATI driver turn on again?
[12:16] <DanaG> The only solution was either to restart the router every damn time I wanted to connect, or replace the router.  For the sake of my sanity, I decided to go with the latter -- and then while I was at it, I got a dd-wrt-able one.
[12:17] <tarelerulz> DanaG that is lame. I have a router that don't work the my system good
[12:17] <DanaG> I could also manually set my system to my reserved ip and THEN do dhclient:
[12:17] <tarelerulz> Like I use  a lot of torrent and it does not tcp/udp all in the same part for portfowarding .
[12:17] <DanaG> sudo dhclient eth0 & sleep 2 && sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:18] <DanaG> If you're looking for a replacement router, get one of the recommended ones from the dd-wrt wiki.
[12:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the only Linux distro I ever saw the router work consistently with was SuSE -- it has an "Always Request Broadcast Response" option for the DHCP client.  I don't have a clue what that option actually meant, or lead to in config files.
[12:30] <Steven1> Hi I was just in #ubuntu and no one was able to help me. I had my ATI X850 working pretty well in Gutsy but now that I upgraded to Hardy it's not working. Any ideas on what I can do to fix it?
[12:31] <Seveas> Steven1, did you manually install drivers?
[12:32] <magnetron> !patience Steven1
[12:32] <magnetron> !patience | Steven1
[12:32] <ubotu> Steven1: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:33] <Steven1> No Seveas. I used the restricted drivers. Then I found a page and tried to install fsx-whatever and that didn't do it either.
[12:33] <Steven1> Sorry didn't see the tab flash red.
[12:35] <Steven1> The thing is I don't get why it would work in Gutsy with restricted drivers but not so in Hardy.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> Could be some bug with the new drivers, but i found the restricted drivers tool to be a little flakey under hardy for me. I had to manually load my nvidia card drivers.
[12:36] <Steven1> Hmm...I saw something about envy. Is that any good? Also how do I get it and use it if so?
[12:36] <tarelerulz> So, when is Ubuntu 8.04 coming out in stable from?
[12:37] <dns53> 28th or 26th something like that
[12:37] <Steven1> It works. But the ATI functionality apparently is still lacking.
[12:37] <Dr_willis> 'when its done'
[12:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:38] <tarelerulz> So far I like Ubuntu 8.04 . I like the fact they updated the alsa to version that works for my sound system.
[12:39] <Steven1> I'm still in my first hours of using it. But can't seem to get the other resolutions working with my cards restricted drivers.
[12:39] <Steven1> It also can't detect what monitor I'm using either.
[12:39] <daekdroom> tarelerulz: Ubuntu 8.04 doesn't use alsa
[12:39] <tarelerulz> daekdroom:  what does it use then?
[12:39] <daekdroom> Pulseaudio
[12:40] <daekdroom> ALSA programs still work with alsa, but it's pulseaudio by default.
[12:40] <tarelerulz> What is pulseudio ?
[12:40] <Steven1> :-/
[12:40] <daekdroom> It's an audio server like alsa.
[12:40] <daekdroom> I think. xD
[12:40] <jussio1> !pulseaudio
[12:40] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[12:42] <tarelerulz> Well, all I know if the sound worked out of the box.  I had to use backport to get the sound working and I had to install alsa .15 for my other system to get the sound
[12:44] <binarical-app> when i : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, only a partial system upgrade is possible.... how is a full upgrade possible. perspectivly, is the partial upgrade a question of outdated packages?
[12:44] <magnetron> binarical-app: what is the error message you get?
[12:44] <tarelerulz> I am just asking ,but have you guys every had  different program work for install to install ? It seem everytime I install Ubuntu some stuff work and some stuff don't. and I use the same version too.
[12:45] <binarical-app> : not all upgrades are "installable" , continue with a partial upgrade?......something liket hat
[12:46] <binarical-app> that is the comment of the ui upgrader. via cli, apt-get quits
[12:46] <magnetron> binarical-app: does it say which package fails?
[12:47] <elmargol> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libmicrohttpd.so.4 <- any ideas?
[12:47] <binarical-app> magnetron: no, it simply chooses which packages to upgrade and which ones not to
[12:47] <binarical-app> i thought of useing the force upgrade option, however dont want to break my system
[12:48] <binarical-app> anyway i have to go now, ill be back later on
[12:48] <binarical-app> thanks guys
[12:59] <tarelerulz> I would like to say I all like the fact that volume control for the main volume work for my headset . in Ubuntu 7.10 I had to find the headset volume to control that.  Not need to do that anymore if great change for me .
[12:59] <magentax> hello. i have trouble running the newest kernels in 8.04 (rev. -15,-16). I get "BUG: unable to handle kernel dereference at virtual address 0000001" at the stage 'loading drivers'. I have to hit strg+alt+del to continue.
[13:00] <magentax> Full dmesg trace is here: http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~kaempfer/oops.txt
[13:00] <magentax> now it only lets me boot in rescue mode and i have only readaccess to my disk
[13:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Heres a ubuntu based disrto. thats. err.. not free..
[13:09] <Dr_willis> Im thinking theres some legal issues with what the guy is doing. even if it is only $1
[13:10] <Dr_willis> http://symphonyos.com/cms/
[13:11] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop flv files in cache from deleting itself
[13:11] <jaffarkelshac> this is firefox
[13:11] <Daviey> Dr_willis: you can charge to download.. even RMS states that
[13:11] <david> jaffarkelshac: ##firefox?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> Daviey,  it just seems odd how they word it.. BUT upon reading farther down.. after april 18th it will be free...
[13:12] <Dr_willis> I was checking to see if they still had the source avail.. but looks like they are going to release it for free.. just grying to get some $$ from people that cant wait i guess.
[13:12] <jaffarkelshac> is that a channel david
[13:12] <Daviey> Dr_willis: not sure it's on topic for here tho
[13:12] <david> jaffarkelshac: I don't know :)
[13:12] <Dr_willis> Yet another Ubuntu variant. :)
[13:13] <Dr_willis> We may need ideas from it for Ubuntu+2
[13:14] <ere4si> jaffarkelshac: I use youtube-dl.py for that
[13:14] <Dr_willis> Theres several firefox extensions for dloading video from those video sites as well.
[13:47] <clusty> any chance the LEDs will work again with the iwl drivers?
[13:47] <Arelis> Hey! The topic no longer says hardy isn't safe on production machines! So is it safe for me to install now?
[13:47] <clusty> seems the kernel is frozen but bug is still there
[13:48] <clusty> Arelis, i suggest waiting another 2 weeks
[13:48] <Arelis> no way, hardy supports my tablet.
[13:48] <clusty> just 2 days ago the compiz got buggered
[13:48] <Arelis> i don't care for compiz
[13:48] <IdleOne> Arelis: it is still beta
[13:49] <IdleOne> but yeah you can install now if you like
[13:49] <Arelis> and use it without it breaking?
[13:49] <clusty> it rarly breaks fully
[13:49] <clusty> just annoying from time to time
[13:50] <daekdroom> some days ago they broke ff
[13:50] <clusty> that is nuissance :D
[13:50] <clusty> always have 2 windows managers and 2 browsers
[13:50] <clusty> :D
[13:50] <^^MAg^^> Hi, any chances to get upgraded webkit in hardy?
[13:50] <clusty> i am glad compiz broke
[13:51] <NET||abuse> I'm bord of playing the same old game every day, I need to learn a new game, have to choose between django and rails... hmmm
[13:51] <clusty> i tried out kde cause of it :D
[13:51] <clusty> came a long way since kde3
[13:51] <Arelis> clusty: kde4 is actually usable now?
[13:51] <daekdroom> I didn't like KDE 4. KDE 3 looks good but I didn't adapt into it.
[13:51] <clusty> Arelis, looks great
[13:51] <clusty> more osX ish
[13:52] <clusty> LED any1?
[13:55] <andre_> Hello =) Anyone knows how i add a key on a usb pendrive to my existing crypttab using passphrase, and only use the passphrase as a fallback? :)
[13:56] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[13:58] <franz1789> does anyone used correctly envyng? it always gives me some error
[13:58] <bicyclist> franz1789 yes worked for me.
[13:58] <bicyclist> but now i installed the latest beta driver myself.
[13:59] <franz1789> bicyclist, the fact is that I cannot do the m-a build fglrx
[13:59] <franz1789> it always give me errors
[13:59] <franz1789> it says it cannot find the makefile
[13:59] <franz1789> I make clean the kernel, I reinstalled it, I don't know what to do
[13:59] <bicyclist> hmm i used it with nvidia and as i understand you try an ati driver ?
[14:00] <franz1789> sorry, yes
[14:00] <cosminb82> how can I find out which version of the uvc module is installed in hardy?
[14:00] <franz1789> I made m-a prepare m-a update and m-a build fglrx but it always fails
[14:02] <franz1789> well, gonna try with the help of the ati installer
[14:02] <franz1789> but it's strange, it always worked for me
[14:04] <mydoghasworms> Since upgrading to 8.04 Beta, I have no sound, and it seems like the system does not detect my sound cards. Where do I start looking?
[14:08] <Lynoure> mydoghasworms: I probably cannot help you (I'm on Kubuntu, no pulseaudio there), but which sound card?
[14:14] <mydoghasworms> Lynoure: C-Media and an Intel which is on the motherboard.
[14:16] <cosminb82> I have an Asus X55sv laptop, with chicony webcam, video is upside down... how do I fix it?
[14:16] <cosminb82> are there any special module parameters to do this?
[14:18] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[14:29] <oupa> do I need to open some ports, like 80 & 3000 somewhere in HArdy? if so, where?
[14:29] <TwoD> Hey all! I get a kernel panic when trying to recheck torrent files on one of my harddisks in µTorrent. It always hangs at the same % and then programs degrade until freeze and blinking numlock. Last time I notices the degrade (such as µT freeze, systray programs freeze...) I did a normal reboot but got this error: http://pastebin.com/m3cfbfec5
[14:30] <oupa> I am not able to ping my 'localhost' since upgrading to Hardy. Any ideas?
[14:31] <oupa> or <IP_ADDRESS> come to that:-(
[14:32] <Lynoure> mydoghasworms: do you happen to know the specific intel chip? lspci might list it
[14:32] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[14:34] <crimsun> TwoD: i.e., hardware errors.
[14:35] <crimsun> oupa: is lo actually up?  Is it "unfirewalled"?
[14:36] <jaffarkelshac> can i stop cache deletion in firefox,
[14:36] <TwoD> crimsun, yes but where? I'm guessing a hdd?
[14:36] <blekos> does anybody know if the problem with iwl driver has been solved?
[14:37] <TwoD> It mentions mcelog, would that program tell me more?
[14:37] <crimsun> TwoD: could be, or the controller.  See smartmontools.
[14:37] <TwoD> what's that?
[14:38] <crimsun> and mcelog is in the mcelog package.
[14:38] <palma> can anyone help me get my laptop resolution working?
[14:38] <crimsun> they're both packages, TwoD.
[14:38] <crimsun> install them; use them.
[14:38] <TwoD> Yes I know that.... but what do they do..
[14:39] <crimsun> TwoD: they help you diagnose problems.
[14:39] <oupa> any ideas why I can't access localhost please?
[14:40] <TwoD> I figured that much yes, but how do I use them? Sorry for all the newbie questions, but I've never run into a kernel panic before..
[14:40] <TwoD> Nvm... I'll just rtfm...
[14:41] <blekos> does anybody know if the problem with iwl driver (wireless) has been solved?
[14:41] <protonchris> blekos: which problem?  Works fine here with WPA2
[14:42] <blekos> with 3945 intel newtork card
[14:42] <blekos> there was a bug
[14:42] <crimsun> TwoD: sorry, I'm just very busy ATM
[14:42] <blekos> the switched from prop. to free
[14:42] <TwoD> crimsun, np.
[14:42] <KenSentMe> Flashplugin-nonfree is installed, but i can't load any flash movies in firefox 3. Know problem or a simple solution for this?
[14:43] <dns53> have you restarted firefox?
[14:43] <TwoD> KenSentMe, I've got the same problems. I used gnash instead. Worked better but with far from all movies.
[14:44] <Arelis> where has ccsm gone?
[14:44] <Arelis> how do i customize compiz?
[14:44] <KenSentMe> dns53, the problem occurs for a few days/week now
[14:44] <TwoD> And I can't seem to get back to ff2 in Hardy, not even by explicitly running firefox-2 after re-installing it. (which feels kinda dumb as ff3 crashes constantly)
[14:45] <KenSentMe> TwoD, does gnash support flash9 stuff?
[14:45] <protonchris> Arelis: IIRC, the name changed.  Try installing simple-ccsm
[14:45] <TwoD> I think so, not all maybe. Check the description in synaptic
[14:45] <dns53> well you could try apt-get --reinstall install app
[14:45] <Arelis> protonchris: thanks
[14:46] <crimsun> TwoD: for smartmontools, try `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda'
[14:46] <KrimZon> successfully ported my wubi to an actual partition \o/
[14:47] <KenSentMe> dns53, that helped, thanks
[14:47] <KenSentMe> TwoD, reinstall flashpulgin-nonfree works
[14:47] <TwoD> ok thanks! btw, mcelog dumps info to stdout according to what I read, and then removes it from the log. How do I dump to a file instead?
[14:48] <TwoD> KenSentMe, it does? I'll try that later then
[14:48] <crimsun> TwoD: use shell redirection, >
[14:49] <TwoD> doh...
[14:50] <TwoD> Why are linux things sometimes so easy while you expect them to be harder simply because it "shouldn't" be so easy??
[14:50] <Arelis> this livecd hasn't crashed yet. WITH compiz.
[14:51] <oupa> can anybody suggest where I can go to get help with my problem connecting to localhost?
[14:51] <Arelis> Gutsy does.
[14:52] <protonchris> oupa: is the localhost interface up?  Is it firewalled?  crimsun asked you this before.  We were wating for answers.
[14:54] <oupa> protonchris:sorry, I miised the previous message
[14:54] <protonchris> oupa: np
[14:55] <oupa> yes, the interface is up and I have access to the Internet
[14:55] <oupa> I haven't installed a firewall, I just upgraded from gutsy
[14:56] <oupa> I have apache running on port 80 and mongrel on port 3000 but can't access either
[14:57] <oupa> I can't ping localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:57] <protonchris> oupa: well you probably have multiple interfaces.  type 'ifconfig -a' and tell us the status of the lo interface.
[14:58] <linkinxp> hey guys which one is the command for COpy?
[14:58] <oupa> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[14:58] <oupa>           LOOPBACK  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[14:59] <aguitel> is anyway to downgrade from hardy to gutsy ?
[14:59] <daekdroom> No
[14:59] <blekos> after the beta version were any updates released  till today?
[14:59] <daekdroom> Way too many.
[14:59] <daekdroom> More than 200Mb, I think.
[15:00] <protonchris> oupa: try running 'sudo ifup lo' in a terminal
[15:00] <blekos> hmm interesting, hope they solved the problem with wpa. That is the only reason keeping me from upgrading
[15:00] <rvalles> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory
[15:00] <rvalles> anybody familiar with this?
[15:01] <blekos> y do u want to downrade?
[15:01] <daekdroom> That happens to me when I start a wine application :
[15:01] <aguitel> hardy sucks with me
[15:01] <oupa> Ignoring unknown interface lo=lo.
[15:02] <protonchris> oupa: what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[15:02] <linkinxp> how i get Root in Graphic mode ?
[15:02] <rvalles> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory. Anybody familiar with this?
[15:02] <jaffarkelshac> i am getting rather pissed of with ubuntu, my problem does not have a fix,
[15:02] <oupa> auto lo
[15:02] <protonchris> oupa: is that it for lo?
[15:03] <oupa> that's it period!
[15:03] <protonchris> oupa: try adding 'iface lo inet loopback' on the line below 'auto lo'
[15:04] <protonchris> oupa: then run 'sudo ifup lo' in a terminal
[15:04] <rvalles> protonchris: this shouldn't be needed
[15:04] <rvalles> definitivelly a bug that interfaces got broken
[15:05] <linkinxp> How i copy a folder using Root privileges?
[15:05] <oupa> protonchris: that's got it, thanks.
[15:06] <oupa> linkinxp: start nautilus with sudo>
[15:07] <daekdroom> or gksu
[15:07] <daekdroom> you can use cp command too
[15:07] <protonchris> rvalles: I agree.
[15:08] <rvalles> I'm scared that things are like this
[15:08] <rvalles> with the release so close
[15:08] <rvalles> I had to add "auto eth0" on mine
[15:08] <rvalles> (there's a bug on the launchpad on that)
[15:09] <rvalles> but the whole brockenness with audio is far worse imho
[15:10] <crimsun> rvalles: run the alsa-info.sh script, then tell us the url
[15:10] <protonchris> oupa: You should consider submitting a bug on launchpad.
[15:11] <linkinxp> oupa:  "D thanks
[15:13] <palma> Does anyone know how I can get my laptop to display a widescreen resolution?
[15:13] <rvalles> crimsun: let me check
[15:13] <rvalles> crimsun: where's that script?
[15:13] <protonchris> oupa: the title of the bug could be something as simple as "iface lo inet loopback missing from /etc/network/interfaces after an upgrade from gutsy to hardy"
[15:13] <crimsun> rvalles: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[15:14] <omar> Where can I get gtkmozembed?
[15:17] <rvalles> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/983602
[15:18] <crimsun> rvalles: start by removing the options snd-hda-intel model=3stack from /etc/modprobe.d/*, then reboot.
[15:20] <rvalles> crimsun: I put that one there myself
[15:20] <crimsun> rvalles: yes, comment it out or remove the line.
[15:21] <rvalles> crimsun: no mixer either way
[15:21] <rvalles> but well, I'll comment it and reboot as you ask me
[15:21] <rvalles> then regenerate the alsa-test thingy again
[15:21] <rvalles> ok rebooting
[15:22] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having problems with firefox not playing flash videos
[15:23] <rvalles> jaffarkelshac: which flash plugin do you have?
[15:24] <jaffarkelshac> shockwave flash
[15:24] <rvalles> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/983609
[15:24] <rvalles> crimsun: still no traces of a mixer, btw.
[15:25] <jaffarkelshac> i am trying to download ie6 for my ubuntu, firefox is not meeting my needs
[15:26] <crimsun> rvalles: yes, I know.  Give me a sec to look at the codec info.
[15:26] <rvalles> crimsun: thanks, btw
[15:27] <rvalles> crimsun: The real problem I'm having is that I need the mic to work (for videoconference). There's some mixers in gnome but those are pulseaudio's and don't seem to help.
[15:29] <rvalles> soundtracker (sample editor -> monitor) and audacity just crash or are really slow to start capturing (and seem to capture nothing anyways) when I try to do so.
[15:29] <palma> can anyone help me get my laptop resolution working properly - I imaging it will mean editing my xorg.conf file, but the one I have is completely different to the ones that ive seen before...
[15:29] <crimsun> rvalles: did 3stack work in gutsy?
[15:30] <rvalles> crimsun: this is a clean hardy; I never got to try 3stack on gutsy... alsamixer showed mixers there, at least, but they weren't be useful.
[15:30] <rvalles> s/be//g
[15:30] <crimsun> rvalles: ok, good.  Your hardware info isn't in the source code at all, which means it's no surprise that it doesn't work.
[15:31] <rvalles> it's an alc861, iirc
[15:31] <Jack_Sparrow> !find alsa
[15:31] <crimsun> rvalles: not just that, but it's a newer revision of the ALC861.
[15:31] <ubotu> Found: alsa-base, alsa-utils, gstreamer0.10-alsa, libesd-alsa0, libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa (and 38 others)
[15:31] <palma> if anyone is interested they can see my xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.com/f6dbc567a
[15:32] <rvalles> crimsun: I tried 3stack because that was also alc861... no luck I guess
[15:33] <rvalles> (without 3stack or anything) I at least got to see mixers (even if I couldn't manage to capture from mic) in hardy.
[15:33] <NET||abuse> If i wanted to image a vista drive from botting up a livecd, what tool can I use to do the imaging?
[15:34] <NET||abuse> i don't want to do a raw read of the whole drive, just the used parts
[15:34] <crimsun> rvalles: 3stack is not a close match for your pin configuration
[15:34] <rvalles> ok
[15:34] <rvalles> anyways, is there anything I can try to do?
[15:34] <crimsun> sure, if you're comfortable reading data sheets and programming
[15:34] <rvalles> laptop is an (already 2yr old or so) fujitsu-siemens amilo pa1510.
[15:34] <rvalles> ouch.
[15:35] <crimsun> this site is so slow; it's taking forever to pull the data sheet.
[15:35] <Laizerox> hallo... simple answer to simple question required :) do i need to install release over beta on hardy if i install beta now?
[15:36] <fluteflute> Laizerok: if you keep updating you will end up with hardy final
[15:36] <crimsun> Laizerox: no, you can use update-manager.
[15:36] <crimsun> or aptitude/apt-get/dselect/synaptic/adept/whatever
[15:36] <NET||abuse> So anyone know what utility I should use to image a vista drive from an ubntu livecd?
[15:36] <Laizerox> thank anyway then i go dl an burn :)
[15:37] <protonchris> Laizerox: keep in mind that it is a beta.  don't expect everything to be perfect.
[15:37] <yacc> Stupid question: How do I turn on "nodeadkeys" with a graphical tool in Ubuntu?
[15:37] <Laizerox> protonchris i know what is beta :)
[15:37] <Lynoure> NET||abuse: there is almost too many to choose from... What's your end goal for the image?
[15:37] <Laizerox> i just never had to update ubuntu version itself :)
[15:38] <protonchris> Laizerox: you would be surprised by the number of people who expect it to work perfectly.
[15:38] <Laizerox> protonchris i don't expect ;)
[15:38] <protonchris> Laizerox: wise
[15:38] <Laizerox> just to help some debbugin :P
[15:38] <NET||abuse> Lynoure, just that the used 40GB of the 120GB partition is the sole content of the img file
[15:39] <NET||abuse> Lynoure, so, a simple way, the simpler to do the better
[15:41] <Laizerox> :D one problem i forgot which one i did install :D
[15:41] <Laizerox> guees not x64
[15:46] <wjlroe> Hi - after upgrading to Hardy, the at daemon fails to start, in syslog is this 'atd[9203]: Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied' - so the post-install script for at fails
[15:48] <Sergeant_Pony> morning
[15:48] <palma> Does anyone know how to get my laptop to display a widescreen resolution?
[15:49] <rvalles> crimsun: ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/pc/audio/realtek-linux-audiopack-5.01.tar.bz2
[15:49] <genie> Hello all
[15:49] <Lynoure> NET||abuse: what filesystem is Vista? NTFS? ntfsclone might be the best, then...
[15:49] <palma> vista is ntfs
[15:49] <rvalles> crimsun: I'm getting that (linked from their alc861 pages) tho I have no idea what it is or if it'll be of any use
[15:50] <crimsun> rvalles: it won't, I've already looked.
[15:50] <rvalles> ok
[15:50] <crimsun> rvalles: we need to create a new stanza for your hardware.
[15:50] <crimsun> (joy)
[15:50] <yacc> nodeadkeys, anyone?
[15:50] <genie> I just fix a new monitor to my PC and it's all Icons and tool bars shown too big
[15:50] <crimsun> yacc: a gui method?  In what env?
[15:50] <genie> how to fix this in 8.4?
[15:51] <crimsun> yacc: (if you /really/ don't want to use setxkbmap, that is)
[15:52] <protonchris> genie: is the resolution correct?
[15:52] <yacc> crimsun: found it. Adding a new keyboard layout and removing the default one wasn't that intuitive to me ;)
[15:52] <genie> it was ok with old monitor
[15:52] <genie> but now when I change the monitor was not correct
[15:53] <yacc> crimsun: I most certainly can do it the old way, but I'm trying to be a good user, not fooling around with all kinds of settings manually ;)
[15:53] <Sergeant_Pony> cool, that last set of updates fixed all my issues :)
[15:53] <protonchris> genie: did you try System>Preferences>Screen Resolution ?
[15:53] <palma> i cant get my laptop screen to show the correct resolution...
[15:53] <genie> and I cannot find the correct regulation when i open it from System/Administration/Screen Resolution
[15:53] <genie> protonchris, yes I did
[15:55] <genie> protonchris, I checked xorg.conf under /etc/X11 I cannot find resolution  under the file
[15:55] <genie> protonchris, is 8.4 use different way now? for X11?
[15:55] <rvalles> crimsun: that tarball readme lists ALC861 an ALC861VD as supported... if mine isn't one of those, what do I have?
[15:56] <protonchris> genie: yes, it is different.  xorg.con is only used to override the detected settings.
[15:57] <genie> protonchris, how to fix it now?
[15:57] <crimsun> rvalles: not at all models of the 861 are supported.
[15:57] <crimsun> s/at//g
[15:57] <protonchris> genie: well, if you know the resolution that you want.  you could add it to the xorg.conf
[15:58] <crimsun> rvalles: your specific SSID isn't, for instance.
[15:58] <rvalles> crimsun: ok
[15:58] <genie> protonchris, what is the format?
[15:58] <crimsun> back in a bit
[15:58] <rvalles> crimsun: btw, I take you're a devel in alsa :?
[15:58] <rvalles> ok
[15:59] <genie> protonchris, and there is no new way to detect the resolution?
[15:59] <protonchris> genie: take a look at http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[16:00] <protonchris> genie: you could try running the xrandr command from a terminal.
[16:00] <tacone> has anyone experienced complete freezes ? (power key shutdown required)
[16:01] <lamalex> Does anyone know if Synaptic has an API or anything? I know this isn't the right Channel but I'm not sure which one I would ask in
[16:01] <genie> protonchris, xrandr
[16:01] <genie> protonchris, I will try it now
[16:02] <palma> xrandr doesnt give me the correct results - tells me the max res my widescreen can handle is 800x600...
[16:04] <genie> protonchris, it's show only 320x240 and 640x480
[16:04] <protonchris> genie: hmm, not sure.  hang around.  someone else might know.
[16:05] <genie> protonchris, thank for your help
[16:05] <protonchris> genie: sorry, I wasn't much help.  manually setting the resolution in xorg.conf might work.
[16:05] <protonchris> genie: that is what I would try.
[16:06] <martalli> lamalex: Synaptic is gtk (#ubuntu) but also is essentially just a front end for apt-get and dpkg
[16:06] <genie> protonchris, thanks but I need to know the new way
[16:06] <martalli> lamalex: woops - thought I was in #kubuntu lol
[16:06] <lamalex> martalli: haha :)
[16:07] <lamalex> the 2nd half was still valid
[16:07] <lamalex> yeah, I know it's just a front end but i was hoping it would have an easy api so I could do more complex stuff without having to reinvent the wheel
[16:07] <genie> hello all, to to correct screen resolution in 8.4? xrandr can detect only 320x240 and 640x480 :(
[16:08] <genie> how can I fix it?
[16:10] <palma> you're not alone - xrandr only tells me 640x480 and 800x600 and i have a widescreen...
[16:11] <Davo_Dinkum> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-67666d36d8817d73fd99580965c3d11c865a8bc1 how do i do step 1?
[16:11] <Davo_Dinkum> edit xorg.conf?
[16:12] <genie> Davo_Dinkum, but xorg.conf not used now in 8.4
[16:12] <Davo_Dinkum> really? then what does it use?
[16:13] <Davo_Dinkum> so how do i enable the software channel?
[16:13] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: look under System>Administration>Software Sources
[16:14] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: xorg.conf is not used for this.
[16:14] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[16:14] <Malic> is it safe to upgrade to hardy?
[16:14] <Davo_Dinkum> oh it's Software Propeties
[16:14] <Malic> or should i better wait?
[16:15] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: ooh, yeah it might be.  I am not sure what it is called in dapper
[16:15] <Davo_Dinkum> yeah it is. seems the name was changed for some reason
[16:15] <protonchris> Malic: it is currently beta.  So things will probably be broken.  If you are comfortable with fixing things and submitting bugs, then go for it.
[16:15] <theunixgeek> I accidentally deleted my Wine menu (Ubuntu) and I'm trying to get it back with wine /usr/lib/wine/winemenubuilder.exe.so but nothing's happening.
[16:18] <genie> hello all, any body know how to fix 8.4 resolution ? I just change my monitor and lost my good resolution
[16:18] <Davo_Dinkum> ok that didnt work. i ticked all the boxes
[16:19] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: ok.  What happened?
[16:20] <Davo_Dinkum> nothing. i ran update manager -d and i dont get an offer to upgrade to hardy
[16:20] <Davo_Dinkum> gksu "update-manager -d" rather
[16:22] <Davo_Dinkum> any ideas?
[16:23] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: when you hit the check button, where there any updates at all?
[16:23] <TwoD> KenSentMe, still there? You said earlier that reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree worked. I just tried that, but youtube still tells me to download the plugin...
[16:23] <Davo_Dinkum> 307 updates. im slowly thinking that i need to install these updates first...
[16:24] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: yes, you probably do.
[16:24] <Davo_Dinkum> bah
[16:24] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[16:24] <protonchris> Davo_Dinkum: keep in mind that hardy is beta and you are bound to run into problems.
[16:24] <tech0007> not much updates today?
[16:25] <Davo_Dinkum> of course. im only doing this for testing purposes
[16:25] <dotech> scrollkeeper-update 100% cpu
[16:25] <dotech> whats up with that?
[16:25] <protonchris> tech0007: weekend
[16:25] <tech0007> protonchris: ok, did apt-get clean a few minutes ago
[16:26] <tech0007> anyone use wondershaper?
[16:28] <TwoD> Anyone who knows what to do about a damaged hdd? I don't know how serious it is, but here's the log of smartctl -a http://pastebin.com/d53a3f756
[16:29] <tech0007> TwoD: chk w/ ur pc vendor if its under warranty
[16:29] <TwoD> Well... that won't help much if I can't read the data on it...
[16:32] <palma> does anyone know how i can get my laptop to use a widescreen resolution?
[16:33] <Davo_Dinkum> does the video card support it?
[16:33] <palma> my video card is a nvidia 9500 and i can get a widescreen resolution under windows
[16:34] <derspankster> palma: what is the native resolution of your laptop?
[16:34] <palma> 1280*800
[16:34] <dotech> palma: have you tried System->Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[16:34] <derspankster> palma: same as mine, ditto to what dotech said
[16:35] <palma> yes - all it lists is 800x600 and 640x480
[16:35] <david> palma: then you need to edit your settings
[16:35] <derspankster> palma: you'll need to reconfigure xserver
[16:35] <david> google for wrong resolution etc
[16:35] <palma> and when i try to manually change the monitor type and res it ends up resetting itself
[16:35] <sawyer_> hey everyone
[16:36] <dotech> palma: what graphics driver are you using? does it support higher than 800x600?
[16:36] <sawyer_> i have problem with hard heron while trying to install an nvidia 8600GT graphics card
[16:36] <palma> i tried manually specifing the settings in xorg.conf but that didnt work
[16:36] <david> palma: you're going to have to manually edit vertical and horizontal values etc
[16:36] <sawyer_> i wanted to remove the nvidia completely but when i want to remove nvidia-kernel-common, it wants to remove my linux
[16:36] <palma> im just using the standard free nvidia driver nv
[16:37] <sawyer_> when i load the ubuntu with the new DVI, it crashes the kernel several times before even loading xorg
[16:37] <palma> cant use the official nvidia driver since they havent even release one for windows yet
[16:37] <derspankster> palma: you cannot run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[16:38] <palma> already tried that - just give me the exact same xorg.conf i already have
[16:38] <palma> tried everything i could find using google...
[16:38] <Davo_Dinkum> did you restart xorg?
[16:38] <derspankster> palma: did you try to make changes?
[16:39] <sawyer_> nvidia is evil. why can't i remove it completely? :(
[16:39] <TwoD> derspankster, what exactly does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do? Every time I've been asked to run that, it has erased everything I've worked so hard to get right in xorg.conf and replaced it with some standard garbage which makes my screens unusable... :(
[16:39] <palma> i did restart xorg after each change i tried to make
[16:39] <dotech> what sources repository do you use to get dbgsym packages?
[16:39] <Davo_Dinkum> you should make backups TwoD
[16:40] <palma> i even went as far as manually editing my xorg.conf
[16:40] <dotech> i found this from a 2006 letter: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs edgy main universe
[16:40] <TwoD> Davo_Dinkum, of course I have backups, and I have to use them each time dpkg-something's been run...
[16:40] <Davo_Dinkum> nod
[16:41] <dotech> looks like pkg-create-dbgsym is all i need
[16:41] <derspankster> TwoD: you can modify xserver settings by running it, resoltion, keyboard, mice, etc.
[16:41] <sawyer_> sorry for bugging, but can anyone tell me why aptitude/apt-get wants to remove linux when i want to remove the nvidia kernel?
[16:41] <sawyer_> :(
[16:42] <TwoD> derspankster, I know that, but what I meant was that what does it do to get everything wrong? lol
[16:43] <derspankster>  TwoD: I've not had that issue but then again I've not run it in Hardy Beta since I did an upgrade from Gutsy on this laptop.
[16:44] <dotech> there is no hardy-updates, hardy-proposed, hardy-security yet, correct?
[16:44] <dotech> s/is/are
[16:47] <TwoD> I've not dared run it in Hardy. When I upgraded from Gutsy it cleared my xorg.conf, and reinstalled my gfx drivers and whatnot. Took me a while to get the drivers back in and then I just replaced xorg.conf with the backup I know works for my dual monitor setup. So far I've had no use for the "improved dual monitor support" as it doesn't even detect my screens, let alone allow me to use anything other than "clone" on a single resolution.
[16:47] <TwoD> Reinstalled nvidia's utility, which was removed in upgrade, which is the only way for me to configure both my monitors..
[16:48] <dotech> i run 3 monitors in hardy with 2 7600gt nvidia cards
[16:49] <dotech> i'm still using xinerama though, i need to switch to RandR if it supports 3 monitors
[16:50] <TwoD> I've got a 7800gtx, the "monitor resolution settings" window just shows me a single screen at 3200x1200, clone is ticked, "Detect displays" doesn't do anything... I would LOVE getting monitor rotation to work on my 24"... would like to use it when coding...
[16:50] <dotech> TwoD: my center monitor is rotated
[16:51] <dotech> the 2 on the sides are 1680x1050, center is 1050x1680
[16:51] <TwoD> Did Gutsy detect those monitors on install?
[16:51] <dotech> no
[16:51] <TwoD> Hardy?
[16:51] <dotech> neither did Hardy, i am running that now
[16:51] <david> dotech: awesome :)
[16:51] <TwoD> ok, same here
[16:51] <dotech> I had to install nvidia-settings and then tweak the xorg.conf a bit afterwards
[16:51] <dotech> but it works
[16:52] <TwoD> Same here. But I can't rotate screens in there, can I?
[16:52] <dotech> yes you can
[16:52] <palma> wouldnt know what to do with 3 monitors...
[16:52] <dotech> do you have Xinerama on or off?
[16:52] <dotech> i know how to do it with Xinerama, not sure how it works with RandR yet
[16:52] <palma> anyway i still have to get the first one working properly....
[16:53] <dotech> palma it sounds like your graphics driver doesn't support higher than that
[16:53] <TwoD> No
[16:53] <TwoD> It's "0" in xorg.conf I mean...
[16:53] <palma> i use the nv drive on my desktop and that runs at 1280*1024
[16:54] <dotech> TwoD: hmm, i'd have to learn how to do it with RandR then, i got it working with Xinerama and haven't tried RandR yet
[16:54] <TwoD> is it Xinerama which forces you to run separate x instances?
[16:54] <dotech> TwoD: it was as simple as adding this line under the Device section bound to my center screen, Option "Rotate" "left"
[16:55] <dotech> TwoD: yea Xinerama are separate X instances, i do have them all shared as 1 desktop in GNOME though
[16:55] <TwoD> Oh, I might try that. But I'd really like to be able to rotate it without having to modify xorg.conf as I don't want to restart between watching movies and coding..
[16:55] <dotech> and i can drag windows across them like normal
[16:56] <TwoD> How do you do that??
[16:56] <dotech> i had to edit xorg.conf to get the rotate
[16:56] <dotech> but that was a simple change
[16:56] <TwoD> not rotate, shared desktop I mean
[16:56] <dotech> ah, Xinerama does it automatically
[16:57] <dotech> it lets GNOME work with the multiple X screens as if they were 1 big one
[16:57] <TwoD> Last time I tried that I couldn't move windows across screens, and all panels were cpied..
[16:57] <dotech> thats what happened when i tried "separate X" without Xinerama
[16:57] <TwoD> I'm using TwinView to do that now.
[16:57] <dotech> yea twinview worked for 2 of my monitors, then teh third had its own desktop
[16:58] <TwoD> Where did you find the options to do that?
[16:58] <dotech> so i ended up turning on xinerama which created the single desktop across all 3
[16:58] <dotech> TwoD: do you have "nvidia-settings" ?
[16:58] <TwoD> Yes
[16:58] <dotech> in there i just set up 3 separate displays with Xinerama on
[16:58] <dotech> then tweaked xorg.conf slightly
[16:59] <dotech> nvidia-settings handled setting all the resolutions and devices up properly
[16:59] <TwoD> I've only got 1 screen thater now
[16:59] <TwoD> *there
[16:59] <dotech> in xorg.conf i slightly modified the position of one of the screens and rotate
[16:59] <dotech> you have to click the "write xorg" button
[17:00] <dotech> also you have to run the app using sudo so it can write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:01] <dotech> in the "X Server Display Configuration" tab i have "Enable Xinerama" checked, and each screen configured as "Separate X screen" 1680x1050 Auto on all of them
[17:01] <dotech> after that you can edit xorg.conf to rotate them
[17:01] <TwoD> I don't have "Enable Xinerama"
[17:01] <dotech> you don't have that option below the Layout window?
[17:02] <Ratshell> Howdy everyone, how are you all doing today?
[17:02] <TwoD> No, I think I had it in earlier versions tho. There's the "Configure" button which pops up a window with three choices. "Disabled, Separate X Screen (requires X restart), TwinView"
[17:02] <TwoD> TwinView being checked...
[17:02] <dotech> interesting, just above the "Display" and "X Screen" tabs I have Enable Xinerama
[17:03] <TwoD> Nothing here
[17:03] <Ratshell> TwoD your trying to enable Xinerama I take it?
[17:03] <dotech> TwoD: do you still have Xinerama installed?
[17:03] <TwoD> Ratshell, yes, with sharing a single desktop.
[17:03] <TwoD> Does upgrading to Hardy remove it?
[17:04] <Ratshell> TwoD, not sure how you are with editing xorg.conf, but thats how I did it using this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624
[17:04] <dotech> TwoD: i think i had it by default, but i didn't do an upgrade
[17:04] <dotech> libxinerama1 is what you would need, check that you still have it
[17:05] <dotech> Ratshell: have you tried using RandR?
[17:05] <TwoD> dotech, It's already the latest version
[17:06] <dotech> TwoD: strange that the nvidia-settings doesn't give you that option, maybe its because you enabled twinview?
[17:06] <TwoD> WHat's the diff between TwinView and Xinerama? Why even have two choises in the first place if one doesn't work?
[17:07] <dotech> TwoD: yea thats what causes it
[17:07] <TwoD> Well... TwinView does work, just not as good as it could..
[17:07] <dotech> TwoD: i just tried making 2 of my displays twinview and the third disabled, xinerama option goes away
[17:07] <TwoD> Ok, so I should go with "Separate X screens" instead?
[17:08] <dotech> TwoD: twinview technically is better if you only have 2 displays in the same orientation, it allows the GPU to drive a single 3d buffer across both displays
[17:08] <Ratshell> dotech, umm i have no idea what RandR is, but I don't have two displays anymore.
[17:08] <dotech> TwoD: assuming you want high performance from games
[17:08] <dotech> Ratshell: it's the successor to Xinerama
[17:08] <TwoD> Yes, but I'd never need two displays for games as that's just... incredibly annoying?
[17:08] <dotech> allows dynamic changes to the X server such as resolutions
[17:08] <dotech> without restarting X
[17:09] <TwoD> ok
[17:09] <dotech> TwoD: i know xinerama will do what you want, i'm pretty sure RandR will too
[17:09] <dotech> but you can start with Xinerama since I know how to get it working
[17:10] <TwoD> Well, I've got TwinView working, cept for rotation (and dynamically changing resolutions simply craps up everything when resolution is changed by say a game...)
[17:10] <spiderfire> hello
[17:10] <TwoD> I can live with it for now, I'm running HDD Smart diagnostics so I really don't want to reboot now..
[17:10] <dotech> TwoD: if you want to try to get RandR working that will fix your resolution changing problems and rotation
[17:11] <spiderfire> how come you dont have to defrag in linux?
[17:11] <dotech> i have no idea how though :)
[17:11] <TwoD> how does RandR relate to Xinerama and TwinView?
[17:11] <dotech> RandR is the successor to Xinerama, allows a single desktop and dynamic changes to the X server
[17:11] <dotech> rotation, resolution, you name it
[17:12] <TwoD> spiderfire, http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting
[17:12] <cyclonut> RandR kinda rocks
[17:12] <dotech> the only downside to RandR that i found out is that it doesn't seem to handle 3 monitors yet
[17:12] <TwoD> dotech, I though that was TwinView? There are two successors?
[17:12] <dotech> TwoD: twinview is a proprietary nvidia thing
[17:12] <TwoD> great...
[17:12] <dotech> it tricks the x server into thinking you have 1 larger display
[17:12] <TwoD> So much I've understood yes
[17:13] <dotech> so Xinerama is the tried and true, albeit a bit outdated because it doesn't allow dynamic changes which most laptops require (projectors, etc)
[17:13] <hubuntu> Is there an entry/profile for ebox automated installation in Hardy as there is one for LAMP in Gutsy?
[17:14] <hubuntu> at the server install
[17:14] <hubuntu> ?
[17:14] <palma> got my resolution working
[17:14] <dotech> palma: what was wrong?
[17:14] <TwoD> And you can use virtual resolutions so when the x server says "800x600" you actually disable say your left monitor (which is widescreen) and only use the right one which is 4:3, but at 3200x1200 you stretch the desktop across both...
[17:14] <palma> just had to install and run the nvidia-xconfig tool
[17:14] <TwoD> ^My understanding of TwinView
[17:15] <dotech> palma: ah so it was the driver?
[17:15] <Ratshell> palma, what kind of graphics card you got?
[17:15] <hubuntu> anyone teste ubuntu hardy server beta
[17:15] <palma> 512 nvidia 9500
[17:15] <hubuntu> ?
[17:15] <TwoD> hubuntu, I'm on it now..
[17:15] <tomd123> if I find something strange in firefox, should I report it here or to #firefox?
[17:15] <dotech> TwoD: twinview is really only necessary if you need high performance for a single application spanning across your displays
[17:15] <TwoD> no wait, you said server...
[17:16] <tomd123> actually nvm :P, this is totally unrelated to ubuntu
[17:16] <Ratshell> who here is running compiz-fusion in Ubuntu Hardy Heron?
[17:16] <palma> i think that the problem was the driver wasnt configured correctly
[17:16] <TwoD> dotech, ok, but it was the only thing I got working without separate instances of X before..
[17:16] <TwoD> Ratshell, I am
[17:16] <tomd123> Ratshell: I did, I turned it off though
[17:16] <dotech> TwoD: yea, its easy to get it going, i guess it has that going for it too haha
[17:16] <Ratshell> tom123, why did you turn it off?
[17:16] <Ratshell> TwoD, you like it?
[17:16] <palma> now i need to fix my trackpad up - the scrolling on it doesnt work now and it did before
[17:17] <tomd123> Ratshell: it slowed my computer down, I have a laptop w/ shared memory though :(, that might explain the slowing down part
[17:17] <TwoD> Ratshell, what I like most of it is that I don't notice it, most of it feels very natural when comparing to the same features in Vista
[17:17] <palma> ill see if i can find what section of the old xorg.conf it was in and see if i can convince it to work again...
[17:17] <david> wth. network icon in tray is gone on wife's computer?
[17:18] <Ratshell> TwoD, same here I like the 3d cube part, the negative and the zoom, the rest is just a bonus, but i did turn off the wobbly windows those things got on my nerves
[17:18] <Ratshell> tomd123, umm you might just wanna tweak with the settings, cause it shouldn't slow you down that much by default compiz-fusion seems to slow my system down to till i got in there and disabled random stuff that i didn't need running
[17:18] <TwoD> Ratshell, Love the Alt+Tab extras and the miniature versions of your app in the taskbar. Not to mention the "zoom out overview" of your desktops with Win+E
[17:19] <Ratshell> TwoD, oh yeah expose :) thats cool
[17:19] <david> and for some reason nm-applet won't start...?
[17:19] <TwoD> Ratshell, wobbly windows should be banned lol
[17:19] <Ratshell> Whats up with that mouse pointer button thing windows key + k, lol that would get on my nerves
[17:19] <dotech> i have a 12 sided cube ;)
[17:19] <tomd123> Ratshell: I don't really like the fancy graphics, I'm the kind of guy that loves enlightenment, the wm :P
[17:20] <dotech> i just want a responsive and predictable UI, thats all i ask for
[17:20] <Ratshell> tom123, ahh nice nice, i am not big on the fancy either i just like a little bling here and there and my eyes are getting old so this zoom feature helps, and negative helps when i have a headache :)
[17:20] <dotech> not one that ignores 20% of my clicks for no apparent reason
[17:20] <TwoD> Ratshell, got nothing on Win+K, I'm using only parts of the features, the one that actually help working with the desktop.  That's pretty cool lol
[17:21] <dotech> lol
[17:21] <TwoD> brb
[17:21] <tomd123> Ratshell: no, they just like shiny things
[17:21] <Ratshell> tom123, kind of like a crow is attracted to shiny metallic objects ;0
[17:22] <Ratshell> lol
[17:22] <dotech> fish do that too
[17:22] <Ratshell> my fish is attracted to its own reflection in the tank cause it just sits there and stares at it for hours
[17:23] <Ratshell> oh yeah, who in here is KDE and whose in Gnome or whose in another window manager?
[17:23] <dotech> it needs a little compiz
[17:23] <tomd123> Ratshell: atm, gnome
[17:23] <Ratshell> tom123, which you prefer gnome or kde?
[17:23] <Ratshell> or other
[17:24] <tomd123> e16 is my preference
[17:24] <KrimZon> is it normal that update manager can't authenticate any of the updates for me right now?
[17:25] <Ratshell> KrimZon, depends where are the updates coming from is they coming from ubuntu repositories, or coming from sources your have added?
[17:26] <KrimZon> they should all be ubuntu repository ones
[17:26] <Ratshell> Does it give you a specific error like could you paste what it says in here
[17:26] <sailaway85> for all who helped me thanks ... my ati is 3d now... this better than sex... my exwife is bill gates
[17:26] <KrimZon> amarok, anjuta, apt, libgnomeui-0 etc..
[17:26] <Ratshell> sailaway85, that isn't right but okay
[17:27] <Ratshell> KrimZon, i mean the part after that where it says something about not authenticating
[17:27] <KrimZon> when i start update manager it says "Not all updates can be installed" "Run a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible."
[17:27] <dotech> KrimZon: that happens occasionally
[17:27] <hubuntu> so nobody tested ubuntu server and/or ebox on hardy here?
[17:28] <Ratshell> hubuntu, what is ebox?
[17:28] <KrimZon> weird... this time it didnt complain
[17:28] <hubuntu> is a web interface to manage your server
[17:28] <tomd123> KrimZon: oh, you mean distribution upgrade, ya, that's what I got too when I installed a fresh copy yesterday, I just did it and everything worked
[17:28] <hubuntu> a la webmin, but better and dpkg integrateable
[17:28] <Ratshell> KrimZon, you can just try restarting the computer update again or just keep retrying the upgrade
[17:29] <KrimZon> it's just started
[17:29] <hubuntu> I am just wondering if it has become one of the choices for an automated server installation or not
[17:29] <KrimZon> it always waits until you complain before fixing itself magically
[17:29] <hubuntu> (like LAMP, OpenSSH, DNS, etc.. already are)
[17:29] <dotech> does RandR only support up to 2 displays?
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone using gnome-rdp?
[17:30] <Ratshell> Not me sergeant, what is gnome-rdp?
[17:30] <Ratshell> remote desktop client for gnome, nope i still haven't used it
[17:30] <Sergeant_Pony> it connects to another computer via ssh, rdp or vnc
[17:31] <tomd123> does the alternate cd contain a base installation, w/o gnome?
[17:31] <hubuntu> tsclient like?
[17:31] <Sergeant_Pony> vcn isn't working for some reason
[17:31] <Ratshell> tomd123, if your wanting to be like very basic, install the server that installs just the basic and you can build up gnome or whatever you want on it from there.
[17:31] <hubuntu> tomd123: yeah, you may use the server install as well to get a base system install..
[17:32] <tomd123> k, thanks, I'll do that once the final version comes out
[17:32] <Ratshell> which according to the website is in 11 days
[17:32] <godfool> fron
[17:33] <scheuri> hi all
[17:33] <Ratshell> hi scheuri
[17:34] <scheuri> Is there a way to find out which packages are in universe, multiverse and partner repos without using aptitude? like using packages.ubuntu.com?
[17:35] <scheuri> I am looking for vmare in hardy actually
[17:35] <scheuri> vmware
[17:36] <bardyr> scheuri, vmware server is in the partner respo
[17:36] <Nwallins> Hi, I am having sound issues.  I have a Tyan K8SRE (S2891) server mobo with no onboard sound.  I do have USB speakers
[17:36] <scheuri> bardyr: ah, great...thanks...
[17:36] <Nwallins> the usb audio is recognized, and i have system  sounds
[17:36] <Ratshell> sheuri, have you tryed virtualbox, i prefer it more with ubuntu cause it has the seamless feature
[17:36] <Nwallins> but alsa will not load
[17:36] <jimmygoon_> Ubuntu crashes hard every time I open totem wtih compiz running
[17:36] <Nwallins> sorry, alsamixer
[17:37] <godfool> Nwallins: im a smart bot
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: I have not yet...still using vmware for VPN to the office (unfortunately there is not linux client...:(
[17:37] <Nwallins> godfool: excellent
[17:37] <bardyr> Ratshell, you should checkout vmware workstation beta, it has wobbly guest windows
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: but I will look into XEN, qemu and virtualbox once I have the time....
[17:37] <godfool> Nwallins: . .  The salesman put down the line moves and a display of traditional hand-woven Afghan rugs: It's all hazy, that nig ht; I was asking for the Worlds' Fair, a decade
[17:37] <scheuri> Ratshell: but may I bother you with a question concering virtualbox?
[17:37] <Ratshell> bardyr, i have tryed vmware workstation beta, it was so buggy over here
[17:37] <Ratshell> scheuri, sure shoot
[17:38] <Nwallins> when I run alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[17:38] <bardyr> Ragnarel, kk, just saw the new unity features and is hyped about it
[17:38] <Nwallins> it seems that much of the sound software assumes i have a "sound card"
[17:38] <Ratshell> nwallins, did you try reinstall alsamixer and alsa?
[17:38] <Nwallins> when all i have is some speakers plugged into usb
[17:38] <Nwallins> i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa
[17:38] <Nwallins> no alsa package
[17:38] <Ratshell> nwallins, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa alsamixer
[17:38] <scheuri> Ratshell: in vmware I have the option to use "brigded" network IF made by vmware which will use the real IF choosen by me...so the VM has its own internet access and gets its own IP (rather than NAT and stuff)...is that possible with vritualbox too?
[17:39] <angel_> i want help
[17:39] <Nwallins> Ratshell: i don't think there is an alsa package
[17:39] <Ratshell> Scheuri, yes in virtualbox it gets its own ip like 10 something i think
[17:39] <Ratshell> nwallins, try sudo apt-get install alsa, i am almost certain there is a form of alsa package i will look
[17:39] <Nwallins> Ratshell: AMD64, hardy beta desktop, btw.  apt-cache search alsa doesn't show it
[17:40] <Ratshell> angel_ just ask your question and we might be able to help
[17:40] <Nwallins> Ratshell: ok, alsa-base  :)
[17:40] <scheuri> Ratshell: ah, great...thanks...once my gutsy is upgraded (its in process ;)) I will try that....but I guess I have to make a new VM and can not use the Vmware-VM-File, right?
[17:40] <Ratshell> scheuri, i don't think you can i haven't had any luck getting a vmware file to load in virtual box now I could be wrong.
[17:41] <scheuri> Ratshell: well, would have been too nice...;)....but that should not be a problem anyway...thanks for the tip!
[17:41] <Ratshell> scheuri, something I have noticed which you will when you go to install xp in virtual box it installs a lot faster then it did in vmware, thats what I saw the speed is better in it to
[17:41] <Nwallins> Ratshell: no alsamixer package, but reinstalled alsa-base.  alsamixer bombs (immediately) on the same error
[17:41] <Nwallins> try a restart?
[17:42] <Ratshell> Nwallins, yes try restarting, what usb speakers you have btw?
[17:42] <slanning> I get this: "dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so/xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-dev' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-new-dev'" but I've removed nvidia-glx-new-dev
[17:42] <Nwallins> altec
[17:42] <scheuri> Ratshell: ah? great...well I am always happy about peformance boosts...however I was already quite glad about the performance in Vmware...
[17:42] <Ratshell> okay yeah nwallins try a restart
[17:42] <Ratshell> scheuri, just wait and try virtual box see if you see a improvement in speed
[17:42] <Nwallins> Altec Lansing XT1
[17:42] <Ratshell> slanning, you get that on what?
[17:42] <scheuri> Ratshell:  I will do so...
[17:42] <Nwallins> brb :)
[17:43] <TwoD> Anyone who knows how to use mcelog?
[17:43] <slanning> apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev (unpacking nvidia-glx-dev)
[17:43] <dotech> The Composite extension is not available
[17:43] <Ratshell> slanning, you run sudo before the apt-get right
[17:43] <slanning> yes, I am root
[17:44] <Ratshell> slanning, try sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-dev && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev
[17:44] <Ratshell> dotech, are you trying to get compiz fusion working or something?
[17:44] <dotech> Ratshell: yea, it seems to be broken now
[17:44] <slanning> yes, I tried that - that's how I got to this, I guess
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: not sure what changed since i originally ran it, apparently something did
[17:45] <Ratshell> dotech, are you trying to run the command compiz from the terminal?
[17:45] <slanning> how do I make it not believe that nvidia-glx-new-dev is diverting something
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: i'm using the System->Preferences->Appearance menu
[17:45] <scheuri> Ratshell: did you use the gutssy repos-entry in sourceslist for virtualbox?
[17:45] <slanning> I tried it again, but it's the same result
[17:45] <Ratshell> slanning, ummm have you tried just going and getting the driver from nvidia.com
[17:45] <dotech> Ratshell: Visual Effects tab in that window
[17:46] <Ratshell> scheuri, umm i did and then virtual box broke after upgrade so I reinstall using umm let me check i will see what my virtual box repo is
[17:46] <scheuri> ratshell thanks a lot
[17:46] <Ratshell> dotech, are you clicking extra in there?
[17:46] <dotech> Ratshell: yea i tried the bottom 2
[17:46] <Nwallins> Ratshell: same -- alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[17:46] <alastair_> I dunno if this is a bug in the beta or if i'm doing something wrong but if I set a background using gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "foo" it doesn't actually load the picture, so I just get a solid-colour background
[17:47] <alastair_> er apologies for lack of quotes around that command
[17:47] <Ratshell> scheuri, # deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian gutsy non-free
[17:47] <Ratshell>  <- thats the source but wait to install it till after the upgrade, because after the upgrade i had to reinstall it to get it to work again
[17:47] <Nwallins> part of alsa-utils package
[17:47] <dotech> alastair_: try System->Preferences->Appearance->Background
[17:47] <slanning> I'd prefer to get the state of the packages fixed than add more hacking by manually installing a driver
[17:47] <TwoD> smartctl reports some read errors on two of my disks, but I think they've been there long, even since I ran Win XP long ago... but does anyone know if they could cause kernel panics?
[17:47] <scheuri> Ratshell: sure thing...thanks a lot
[17:47] <alastair_> dotech: I've written a script to randomise it
[17:47] <TwoD> they are nfts disks, in case that matters
[17:47] <sgtkwol> I have an issue where my laptop randomly freezes up, but if I have the update manager open, it does not seem to freeze
[17:47] <Ratshell> alastair, have you tryed just right click desktop change desktop background and setting on that way?
[17:48] <alastair_> dotech: the same images work if I use the GUI, but in that instance I have to add them to a list before I can select them
[17:48] <palma> does anyone have any ideas of how i can get my sound to work?
[17:48] <slanning> I should read the dpkg-divert man page, I guess
[17:48] <alastair_> Ratshell: no use, I'm using a script
[17:48] <dotech> alastair_: hmm ok, not sure how it's done without the GUI sorry
[17:48] <Ratshell> alastair, well maybe its your script thats messing up?
[17:48] <alastair_> I've modified this script http://www.djlosch.com/article_Code:_Bash_Script_to_Change_Gnome_Background_Randomly_(Ubuntu)
[17:48] <Ratshell> palma, what happens if you type alsamixer, in the terminal and press enter?
[17:49] <alastair_> The modifications I've made are only in how the background is selected
[17:49] <alastair_> oh I wonder if it's a permissions thing.
[17:49] <palma> Ratshell: it comes up with an interface with a few different levels
[17:50] <Ratshell> okay , leave that open palma, and try opening something with sound like a mp3 a movie file a youtube page something and see if you get a sound error
[17:50] <Ratshell> alastair_ try running it as a sudo or make sure the chmod you did that
[17:51] <Pelo> anyone else having issues with "move to trash" not showing up in the trashcan but actualy being in ~/.Trash  and notbeing able to empty the trach from right clicking ?
[17:51] <alastair_> aah I just discovered I'm stupid
[17:51] <alastair_> Sorry :X
[17:51]  * Pelo ' s not sure he made sense
[17:51] <Ratshell> alastair, what was it may i ask?
[17:51] <dotech> anyone using Nouveau?
[17:51] <Ratshell> Pelo, so your saying it doesn't show up in trash but at ~/.Trash it does show up right?
[17:51] <alastair_> My hack to create an absolute filename out of a relative one seems to have done it twice
[17:52] <Pelo> Ratshell, yes
[17:52] <Ratshell> alastair_, ahh see its little things like that that mess people over :)
[17:52] <alastair_> not sure why
[17:52] <alastair_> It wasn't until I used a GUI to browse to a directory that I discovered it didn't exist
[17:52] <Pelo> Ratshell, and "empty trash" doesn'T do anything
[17:53] <Pelo> Ratshell, oddly enough trash does work from another partiton
[17:53] <Ratshell> Pelo, ~/.Trash thats in your home directory there is no trash container there i don't think
[17:53] <palma> Ratshell: i dont get any errors
[17:54] <Ratshell> palma, okay go back to there terminal, umm you see the little green things on the 00 like right above master, master M so on?
[17:54] <Pelo> Ratshell, the desktop trash icon ( same as the pannel one) , does not show any content when I move to trash from my main partition , but it does when I move to trash from a seperate one ,  none of the empty trash command work unless it, stuff from the other partion
[17:54] <alastair_> arr I wasn't using the filename I was using the relative path ><
[17:54] <palma> yes
[17:54] <alastair_> sorted woo bai ^_^
[17:54] <Pelo> Ratshell, and the desktop icon is generaly linked to the ~/.Trash
[17:54] <Ratshell> Pelo, I am just saying i tried going to ~/.Trash and there isn't one on my end.
[17:55] <Ratshell> Palma, so the first three Master, Master M, PCM, all three of those have green on the 00?
[17:55] <Pelo> Ratshell, /home/username/.Trash  , it's a hidden folder
[17:55] <Ratshell> Pelo, i am looking at all my hidden folders I still don't have one
[17:55] <palma> master is green
[17:55] <palma> i have no master m
[17:56] <Ratshell> palma, what about PCM?
[17:56] <palma> and pcm has no 00 above it
[17:56] <Pelo> Ratshell, ok where is .Trash on your end,  thatmight be the problem it might have been moved
[17:56] <Ratshell> Pelo, umm one sec let me help palma real quick
[17:56] <Ratshell> palma okay go to over to PCM with the arrow keys, and hit the letter M on your keyboard and see if you have green 00 above pcm now?
[17:57] <sgtkwol> anyone know what information may be gathered from my "fixed" issue to make a permanent fix?
[17:57] <palma> no change
[17:58] <palma> pcm doesnt even have a box below the meter
[17:58] <Ratshell> palma so there still isn't a 00 above pcm? what is the master bar at is the color all the way to the top?
[17:58] <Ratshell> palma, what is pcm color at is that all the way to the top to?
[17:58] <palma> master is at the top
[17:58] <palma> its all the way to the top and its red
[17:59] <palma> same as master
[17:59] <Ratshell> palma, do you have two sounds cards on this computer, or maybe a sound on the mother board and a sound card?
[17:59] <palma> its a laptop so i assume its only got one soundcard
[18:00] <Ratshell> palma in the terminal hit ctrl + c, then type alsamixer 1 and see if you get the same name for the soundcard at the top
[18:01] <kadko> Hello, i actualized my ubuntu hardy and now on the boot screen apper 2 kernel the 7~-16 and the 7~-12 how can i remove the 7~-12?
[18:01] <Ratshell> kadko, you mean the entry for it or actually remove it?
[18:01] <derspankster> alsamixer 1
[18:01] <palma> its the same
[18:01] <Pelo> kadko, leave it but if you realy want to  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:02] <kadko> i mean only delet the entry of it
[18:02] <Pelo> kadko, edit menu.lst
[18:02] <Ratshell> palma, hmm well your sound is working its just not coming our through the speakers, umm have you tried plugging in a pair of headphones into the laptop and seeing if you get sound?
[18:02] <sgtkwol> I know what the issue may be, palma...
[18:03] <palma> ive tried using the builtin speakers and ive also tried using my desktop speakers
[18:03] <kadko> let me make a restore copy of menu.lst
[18:03] <sgtkwol> go into the switches tab, make sure that headphone has a check in it
[18:03] <palma> no results either way
[18:04] <Ratshell> palma, what kind of laptop do you have?
[18:04] <Pelo> palma, check your user permisson , make sure you are allowed to "user audio device"
[18:04] <palma> its an asus m51sn
[18:04] <kadko> Pelo: I need to eliminate the entry who say kernel 12 generic
[18:04] <TwoD> bleh... I can't make anything out of these kernel panic logs, except that it might have something to do with ata6 and ADMA. No clue what to do about that..
[18:04] <kadko> and i will not get problems?
[18:05] <Pelo> kadko, just comment it out with  # if you have issue just boot the live cd and uncomment it
[18:06] <palma> my permissions say i am allowed to use audio devices
[18:06] <kadko> I like ur idea haha ok let me but the #
[18:06] <TwoD> running mcelog --ascii just gives me a warning about having to run it on the same machin as when the check occurred, which it is. Then it just sits there..
[18:06] <kadko> i will restart tnx
[18:07] <Ratshell> palma, i just looked according to another person the sound on the moterhboard in those laptops are to new for the alsa driver and your just going to have to wait for alsa to come out with a newer one heres the article i found about your laptop http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4706504#post4706504
[18:08] <TwoD> I'm gonna try to recheck the files in µTorrent again, If I disappear, you know there was a kernel panic... lol
[18:08] <palma> is there another sound system that could possibly support my sound card?
[18:09] <Ratshell> palma, i really have no idea i've always used alsa, sorry can't help you beyond this
[18:09] <Pelo> TwoD, are  you talking about folders for incomplete files going fuzzy ?
[18:09] <Ratshell> maybe someone else might know
[18:09] <TwoD> Yes, Pelo,
[18:09] <palma> Ratshell: Thanks for all your help
[18:09] <TwoD> Kernel panic coming up... recheck just froze...
[18:09] <Ratshell> palma, no problem best of luck  with getting it to work
[18:10] <Pelo> TwoD,  I get taht too but it doesn'T crash my comp or anything  the background just looks weird
[18:10] <TwoD> Btw, what do you mean going fuzzy?
[18:10] <slanning> this is so frustrating - I don't know if I will ever be able to fix it - it's been broken since Monday - "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"  I don't know what I need to have in place to get it working
[18:10] <Pelo> TwoD, let me get you a pic , hold on
[18:11] <Pelo> TwoD,  did you know demonoid is back ?
[18:12] <TehUni> slanning: are you using the nvidia driver in your xorg.conf ?
[18:12] <Ratshell> Pelo, demonoid is back since when?
[18:12] <Pelo> Ratshell, about 3 days ago
[18:12] <TwoD> I see nothing strange on the folders themselves, but thwn I try to recheck my aborted (incomplete) files in µTorrent, the process used to stop at 14.7% and then my programs started to behave odd just before everything froze and numlock began blinking. Once I managed to reboot before that happened and got a message with a kernel panic log.
[18:12] <TwoD> Now rechecking just seems to stop at 8.9%...
[18:13] <Ratshell> Pelo, but how long will it last or will it go down again.
[18:13] <Pelo> Ratshell, demios gave up , IRL problems, not sure what, there is a new admin , not sure who
[18:13] <TwoD> No freeze, or nothing... Maybe because I completely deleted the file it froze on before
[18:13] <Pelo> TwoD,  you say you freeze on recheck ? let me try that out
[18:14] <slanning> TehUni: how would I check that? I see 'Driver "nv"', should it be 'Driver "nvidia"' or something?
[18:14] <Pelo> force checking one right nwo , no problem
[18:14] <slanning> I don't know what happened monday that led to something not being updated properly
[18:14] <TwoD> Yes, first µTorrent freezes, along with the system monitor graphs I've got running in a panel. Shortly after that the comp freezes completely, can't even move the cursor, just got a blinking numlock
[18:15] <Pelo> imageshack is being tempermental or maybe it's FF3, hold on
[18:15] <Pelo> TwoD, I get nothing that bad
[18:15] <TwoD> I just started the torrent which failed recheck before. It seems to continue downloading now that I've removed the incomplete files..
[18:15] <ttroja> I'm looking for some help with SAMBA, I'm looking to add write privileges to my laptop user to write to my server user's home. I can access the server user's home folder and read from it, but cannot write anything to it.
[18:16] <TwoD> Pelo, a few days ago I just needed to boot up and log in to make it freeze. It could sit for hours at the login screen, but as soon as I logged in and everything was loaded, kernel panic...
[18:17] <Pelo> TwoD,  I never got anything like that,  just a small problem with wine not doing the tray kcon properly, that's the worst I got
[18:17] <TwoD> And oh, this is completely unrelated, but I can no longer select multiple things in apps running in wine lol, such as the list of files or torrents in µT :(
[18:18] <Pelo> TwoD, I do have an issue not being able to add empty lines between trakers in the torrent properties, but that doesn't realy bug me
[18:18] <TwoD> Pelo, Yeah I've got that too, right now my µTorrent has the icon of XChat...
[18:18] <Pelo> TwoD, have you updated and dist-updated recently ?
[18:19] <TwoD> I update every day. Dist updated a few weeks ago.
[18:19] <Pelo> TwoD, check in synaptic for the wine version , I'm on wine 0.9.59 ubuntu 4 I beleive
[18:19] <TwoD> Same here
[18:19] <Pelo> TwoD, this is what I mean by fuzzy folder  http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=navigateurdefichierscv0.png
[18:20] <Adys> Is it possible to force or add an icon for a certain file extension?
[18:20] <Adys> in my case, .srlv
[18:20] <Pelo> Adys, find a file with that extension,  right click , properties,  see the little icon in the prperty tab ? clicky clicky
[18:21] <Adys> that only changes the icon for the file itself
[18:21] <Adys> i need to change over 2500 files :)
[18:21] <Pelo> Adys, maybe in ~/.mime I think
[18:21] <Pelo> not sure how
[18:22] <Adys> doesnt exist =\
[18:22] <Pelo> Adys, might be under another folder , as a sub or .gnome or .gnome2 or someting
[18:23] <Adys> hrm
[18:23] <Adys> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31174
[18:23] <Adys> looks like Im gonna have to manually add a mime type for them
[18:26] <Pelo> back later
[18:27] <twoface_> Hi - transferring to a cifs-mount, i have a great speed until a little under 300mb is transferred - then the speed lowers to a few mb/sec. Anybody tried this?
[18:27] <TwoD> Pelo, lol that looks seriously weird! I'm participating in a bug-discussion about µTorrent on http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7403, I'm Henrik
[18:27] <ubotu> bugs.winehq.org bug 7403 in -unknown "utorrent gui does not display (systray and window)" [Normal,New]
[18:28] <TwoD> I noticed a few days ago that µTorrent seems to work fine when I'm using a single monitor, or my monitors are cloned. Do you get that to Pelo?
[18:29] <TwoD> Doh, didn't see he quit :(
[18:33] <Ratshell> Pelo are you still here?
[18:33] <TwoD> he logged out
[18:33] <TwoD> And I'm about to get another kernel panic...
[18:33] <Ratshell> ahh well i found where my trash was finally, was going to tell him
[18:33] <Ratshell> TwoD, are you running the default kernel?
[18:33] <TwoD> µTorrent just froze..
[18:33] <TwoD> yes
[18:34] <Ratshell> TwoD, why don't you try compiling and new kernel, i like doikng that cause i hate generic kernels
[18:34] <TwoD> µTorrent just froze rechecking a movie on 5.3%, panel system monitor is frozen
[18:34] <Ratshell> TwoD, why don't you install Azureus instead of utorrent in wine
[18:34] <TwoD> I don't know how..
[18:34] <TwoD> I hate it...
[18:35] <Ratshell> TwoD, one sec heres how to compile a kernel the ubuntu way http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[18:36] <slanning> how would I make things....totally plain, without any nvidia stuff or anything - like to start over?
[18:36] <slanning> I can't seem to fix this glx thing (I think that's the problem, at least....)
[18:36] <Ratshell> remove through sudo all the stuff you installed for nvidia, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and put it back to whatever you where on default which was probably the vesa thing
[18:37] <slanning> ok, thanks I'll give it a try
[18:37] <slanning> it's been working with nvidia drivers for like months or years, though, so it's bizarre....
[18:38] <Ratshell> wb TwoD
[18:38] <Ratshell> or not
[18:38] <ffm__> Pardon me, how do I fix a broken dependency?
[18:38] <TwoD> Thanks
[18:39] <ffm__> Hal keeps on breaking, and I fixed it in the past, and forgot how.
[18:39] <Ratshell> ffm__ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186672
[18:40] <tylerflick> Did anyone find a solution to the breaks that yesterday's update caused?
[18:41] <TwoD> Ok, I just ran mcelog --ascii to try to find out what just happened. But it just sits there doing nothing after warning me about not running mcelog --ascii on the same machine...
[18:41] <twoface_> i'm missing the python module 'dl' - this should be a part of the python2.5 package. can anyone confirm this? or even fix it? :)
[18:42] <ffm__> Ratshell, Merci.
[18:42] <ffm__> Ratshell, But I didn't update, I installed via CD.
[18:42] <ffm__> (I didn't gutsy>hardy)
[18:43] <unstable> What is wrong with mplayer in heron?
[18:45] <Ratshell> ffm__ so you installed something from the sources on the cd and now you got broken dependcy?
[18:45] <usser> unstable, works fine here
[18:45] <twoface_> unstable: works fine here too
[18:46] <ffm__> Ratshell, No, I updated.
[18:46] <ffm__> Ragnarel, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade
[18:46] <ffm__> *Ratshell
[18:46] <Ratshell> ffm__, so you upgraded to hardy and now you have broken dependcys?
[18:47] <TwoD> Grrr.. and why did Hardy have to shuffle around my mounted disks on upgrade, as well as rename them into meaningless XXX.X GB-media names, I'm having a really hard time figuring out which one is which, not to mention the confusion when hda1 and hdb1 were replaced by sdXX, and the fact that ntfs-3g found "new" disks and mounted them at /media/sdd and sde.... all this without any warnings whatsoever. Had to manually edit /etc/fstab multipl
[18:47] <TwoD> e times to figure out what device was mounted where, and then edit Wine's configuration to fix bad references to hda1/hdb1...
[18:47] <unstable> twoface_ / usser I can't play this rm file(rv30), but it plays fine on my debian system, with marillat's mplayer.
[18:47] <ffm__> Ratshell, I upgraded my hardy install (which was working) and _then_ got broken dependancies.
[18:47] <unstable> rtsp://a30.v78701.c7870.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/30/7870/v0001/mitstorage.download.akamai.com/7870/6/6.002/f03/videolectures/mit-6.002-lec-mit-10250-04sep2003-0000-220k.rm
[18:47] <unstable> That is the file.
[18:48] <unstable> The audio works, not video. Does the video work for you guys?
[18:48] <Ratshell> hmm, weird i have never had that issue
[18:48] <cvd-pr> Hey when i start firefox it open the open pages when i close it, any way to stop firefox doing it
[18:48] <cvd-pr> ?
[18:48] <usser> unstable, do u have codecs from medibuntu repository?
[18:48] <TwoD> I'm sorry but saying that Hardy will launch with LTS in a few days seems like a joke to me. It's totally messed up everything related to hard disks on my computer...
[18:48] <unstable> usser: no, I just did "apt-get install mplayer-nogui"
[18:49] <usser> unstable, try this !medibuntu
[18:49] <usser> !medibuntu
[18:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[18:49] <lazarus> release date for 8.04
[18:49] <lazarus> ?
[18:49] <Ratshell> April of 2008
[18:49] <usser> 10 days to go
[18:49] <hydrogen> Read the topic.
[18:49] <hydrogen> It's right there
[18:49] <hydrogen> shouting at you
[18:49] <hydrogen> READ ME LAZRUS
[18:49] <Ratshell> lazarus, ubuntu Hardy Heron the actual release of it is in 11 days
[18:49] <hydrogen> I'M HERE FOR YOU
[18:49] <hydrogen> DON'T IGNORE MORE LAZARUS
[18:50] <emet> hardy heron will be delayed?
[18:50] <ffm__> Ratshell, Should I reinstall? I don't have anything special on that machine, I just use it as a testbed.
[18:50] <hydrogen> I TALK TO YOU EVERY TIME YOU ENTER THE CHANNEL
[18:50] <TwoD> Not to mention Hardy's "connect to server" feature is completely broken and that no standard Gnome app can no longer connect via ftp (using login)
[18:50] <hydrogen> LOOK AT ME LAZARUS
[18:50] <lazarus> I AM NOT
[18:50] <ffm__> !caps | hydrogen
[18:50] <ubotu> hydrogen: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[18:50] <Ratshell> ffm__ yeah I would advise that
[18:50] <hydrogen> ffm__: Tell the topic that
[18:50] <lazarus> sorry
[18:50] <hydrogen> ffm__: It just wanted to be heard
[18:50] <ffm__> hydrogen, It hurts my ears! They bleed!
[18:51] <emet> !info netbeans
[18:51] <lazarus> cant wait for 8.04
[18:51] <ubotu> netbeans (source: netbeans): Integrated Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.0.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 813 kB, installed size 1924 kB
[18:51] <emet> 8.04 is really teh buggy for me :o
[18:51] <twoface_> i'm missing the python module 'dl' - this should be a part of the python2.5 package. can anyone confirm this? or even fix it? :)
[18:51] <emet> it
[18:52] <twoface_> you can test by running 'python -c "import dl"' in a console
[18:53] <ffm__> Ratshell, While configuring hal I get  a "failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[18:53] <Ratshell> ffm__ are you running sudo when configuring it?
[18:53] <ffm__> Ragnarel, No.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, I'm in single user because I can't log in under X.
[18:54] <Ragnarel> ?
[18:54] <Ratshell> ffm__ lol ratshell not ragnarel :P
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, I apologize.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ratshell, see above
[18:54] <Ratshell> ffm__ have you tried configuring it under root?
[18:54] <ffm__> Ragnarel, Autocomplete for Ra- is your nick.
[18:54] <ffm__> Ratshell, Huh?
[18:55] <ffm__> Ratshell, Hal crashes when apt attempts to configure.
[18:55] <TwoD> And does anyone know why Hardy forces you to use ff3 when it's still extremely unstable? I tried to reinstall ff2 but it only worked for about a day before FF3 starts when I explicitly type "firefox-2"...
[18:55] <Ratshell> ffm__, you said your trying to configure it i presume you mean .configure, have you tried doing that under the root account
[18:55] <TwoD> It kinda makes me wish I had good ole IE in Linux lol
[18:55] <ffm__> Ratshell, ./configure? No, I just use apt.
[18:56] <ffm__> Ratshell, Packages need configuration, and it fais.
[18:56] <ffm__> *fai;s
[18:56] <ffm__> fails
[18:56] <Ratshell> ffm__, go look at this they talked about your error and show you how to start the dbus thing your having a error with before halo http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=365442&page=3
[18:57] <ffm__> Ratshell, Ah! Dbus isn't started in single user mode...
[18:58]  * ffm__ started it manually... yay!
[18:58] <Ratshell> ffm__, so that helped?
[18:59] <ffm__> Ratshell, No, but it got me thinking.... (the instructions did not, but that hal had to have dbus running to configure did...)
[18:59] <TwoD> Hmm, I'm getting nowhere with any of these problems in Hardy :(
[18:59] <Ratshell> whats your problem again TwoD?
[18:59] <TwoD> Which one of them lol?
[19:00] <Ratshell> lol
[19:00] <ffm__> TwoD, We have a policy about using the latest and greatest of software.
[19:00] <ffm__> TwoD, You want stability, don't use ubuntu+1, use 6.06 until this comes out.
[19:01] <doolz> :)
[19:01] <ffm__> If you want _really_ stable stuff, use debian stable.
[19:01] <derspankster> ffm_: all the way back to 6.06???
[19:01] <Ratshell> ffm__, shouldn't you mean he use 7.10 thats the most stable since its the latest release before this one
[19:02] <_rp> aint 6.06 the last tls?
[19:02] <TwoD> ffm__, even if that means sacrificing things like useablity? I don't want to sound pessimistic or demeaning, but I highly doubt Hardy will be useable in 10 days if this keeps up.
[19:02] <kubrick_> I'm having a weird error in Hardy.   I have a Canon SD870 IS camera.  A week or two ago, I could plug it in via USB and Nautilus would pop up and show me the contents.
[19:02] <_rp> um lts
[19:02] <usser> debian etch is the most stable
[19:02] <kubrick_> Now, it doesn't mount or show up in Nautilus.  One thing I read on ubuntuforums is that something might get reset after the battery is taken out (which I did, to recharge it).
[19:03] <kubrick_> dmesg shows that it is being recognized.  It just isn't being mounted/displayed in Nautilus.  However I can access my photos via f-spot-import
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, We'll push back the release date.
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, Or just abandon FF3. Or ask the FF3 people to get in gear.
[19:03] <TwoD> ffm__, ok. But as it is now, I can't use 6.06 as I've already upgraded..
[19:03] <_rp> hardy is working perfectly fine for me and has done for weeks
[19:03] <ffm__> TwoD, Use gutsy?
[19:04] <kubrick_> Hardy is getting pushed back?
[19:04] <Lynoure> TwoD: about the starting bug...
[19:04] <Lynoure> TwoD: you had ff3 running at the time you tried to start ff2, I bet?
[19:04] <whuyt> hello!
[19:05] <Lynoure> TwoD: (it's a know bug)
[19:05] <TwoD> I did, but to get back I'd need a complete reinstall, right? Seems like an extremely risky opration atm... :(
[19:05] <_rp> guten tag
[19:05] <whuyt> for some reason in hardy all my windows open with the very tops under the top menu bar, to make them accessible i have to right click on the tab and move
[19:05] <TwoD> Lynoure, ok, thanks for that
[19:06] <Lynoure> TwoD: you should be able to run FF2 if there is no FF3 running at the same time (and the bug works both ways)
[19:06] <whuyt> whats causing them to open like that?
[19:06] <TwoD> I'm guessing they look for the same "instance", and if there is one, relaunches the one already running to share resources or something?
[19:07] <TwoD> Wild guess lol
[19:07] <TwoD> It does seem to work when I close ff3 yes, not sure it did that before but that doesn't matter much..
[19:08] <Lynoure> TwoD: I actually only know about it because I was puzzled enough to report the bug :)
[19:08] <whuyt> nevermind, disabling and enabling compiz solved issue
[19:09] <TwoD> Hmm, flash seems to work in FF2, but not in FF3, could there be a similar problem when installing plugins?
[19:09] <ffm__> How can I  find the PID of a running process?
[19:09] <Lynoure> TwoD: hmm, I don't know anything about that. Works in mine but I reinstalled flash recently (because of the security hole)
[19:09] <ffm__> (gui process)
[19:10] <TwoD> I've done it three times today Lynoure
[19:10] <Lynoure> ffm__: pstree -p is my favourite way
[19:11] <Assid> heya
[19:12] <Assid> is there any phone out there that has ubuntu mobile edition alreayd?
[19:13] <gregory_> ffm__: ps axu
[19:15] <TwoD> This is weird.. I just removed ff2, reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree. surfed to youtube.com, it tells me I have no (or old version of) flashplayer installed, I click "Install missing plugins" and choses the one from Adobe, hit "Next" and it burps out "You already have flashplugin-nonfree installed" and exits..
[19:15] <clusty> did the GUI to configure samba/nfs dissappear?
[19:15] <clusty> in hardy i mean
[19:15] <Lynoure> Assid: try on  #ubuntu-mobile ? I don't think any phone does, yet, but I'm not in Canonical
[19:17] <DB42> blah
[19:18] <TwoD> Removed flashplugin-nonfree, downloaded it via the prompt I got at youtube.com, it installed fine, restarted ff3, youtube still says it's not installed and asks me to install it. Other flash sites just redirect me to Adobe's site which says there's no version for my system x86_x64...
[19:18] <DB42> i ran update-mangaer -d and it borked in the middle, help me ! ;)
[19:18] <DB42> it installed like 1% of the 8.04 packages, but couldn't update libc6 and stuff
[19:18] <DB42> what should i do now ?
[19:19] <DB42> (i'm on 7.10)
[19:19] <DB42> tells me to run "apt-get install -f" should i do it ?
[19:20] <DB42> anybody?
[19:20] <DB42> should i run apt-get install -f ?
[19:21] <TwoD> Gnash doesn't work either now...
[19:21] <TwoD> Lynoure, how did you get flash working?
[19:21] <DB42> can anybody help me fix my system ? :)
[19:22] <Lynoure> TwoD: I did no special tricks, sorry
[19:22] <lazarus> DB42
[19:22] <TwoD> Lynoure, apt-get or the web installer?
[19:22] <TwoD> Do you have a 64 bit system?
[19:22] <DB42> lazarus,
[19:23] <lazarus> run sudo apt-get install -f
[19:23] <DB42> yeah did it
[19:23] <DB42> i'm re-running update-manager now
[19:23] <DB42> seems to work ok
[19:23] <DB42> thanks
[19:23] <lazarus> np
[19:23] <DB42> btw, runing "do-release-update -d" just borks with no helpfull message
[19:24] <DB42> but "update-manger -d" tells me to run apt-get install -f
[19:24] <Lynoure> TwoD: but you could try installing it by hand from Adobe site to .mozilla/plugins
[19:24] <TwoD> It just says it has no version for x86_x64...
[19:25] <DB42> can i somehow reset my compiz / gnome settings to be the default of a new user or so (i'm talking mainly the gui layout, nothing else) ?
[19:25] <Lynoure> TwoD: I don't have a 64bit system myself. Those need a wrapper, I think
[19:25] <slanning> I think I'm going to start crying
[19:25] <Lynoure> slanning: start by telling what's that badly wrong
[19:25] <Lynoure> slanning: and continue by reminding yourself it's just a computer, no one died (I hope)
[19:26] <slanning> :)  since Monday's dist-upgrade after gdm login, it played music but gnome didn't come up I think
[19:26] <sielnt_> I take it a lot of people are doing the "partial upgrade" ... I'm loving the download speed
[19:27] <sielnt_> sometimes I get lucky and it spikes 3x up to 30kb/s
[19:28] <slanning> there was a message about "Failed to initialize GLX ... something about nvidia", so I removed all the nvidia packages and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as suggested by Ratshell but it still doesn't even give me gnome
[19:28] <sielnt_> slanning: if nvidia isn't working try nv, I solved some nvidia issues by using the nvidia-made installer
[19:29] <slanning> I just want to start from no nvidia at all, nothing
[19:29] <DB42> slanning, try creating a new user, and see if it helps
[19:29] <slanning> because I've tried every permutation of nvidia package that I can think of
[19:30] <DB42> i'm updating now from 7.10 to 8.04 on nvidia, i'll see if it works for me
[19:30] <slanning> I don't think it has anything to do with nvidia, in fact - it has to do with my system being hosed on monday, I'm guessing
[19:31] <slanning> I can't get it back to normal
[19:31] <DB42> btw, update-manger -d says it's updating to 8.04 Release Canidate, and not beta
[19:31] <DB42> slanning,  did you try creating a new user and logging via it ?
[19:31] <sielnt_> slanning: did you edit xorg.conf manually to change the driver?
[19:31] <sailaway85> My network is 10/100 ether .. samba... sys monitor show 1.2gig when moving files... Is this not slow?
[19:31] <m4gnu5> does anyone know, how to boot the powerpc64-smp - kernel on a ps3 ???
[19:32] <derspankster> RC is out, huh?
[19:33] <DB42> dunno if it's out, this is what it says...
[19:33] <slanning> ok, I'll try a different user, thanks
[19:33] <sielnt_> I'm doing a partial-upgrade to something
[19:33] <slanning> sielnt_: probably?
[19:33] <DB42> RC is out on 17 afaik
[19:34] <sielnt_> slanning: try another user... but have you edited xorg.conf?
[19:34] <Assid> err.. isnt the private release out to the testers yet?
[19:34] <sielnt_> try vesa or something?
[19:34] <DB42> !info openoffice
[19:34] <sielnt_> I dont know what this release is but it's taking a long time...
[19:34] <DB42> !info openoffice.org-core
[19:35] <ubotu> Package openoffice does not exist in hardy
[19:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org-core (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 26663 kB, installed size 111884 kB
[19:35] <sielnt_> 2 entries in ubotu?
[19:35] <sielnt_> oh lawd
[19:35] <TwoD> Finally! Got Flash working. Guide on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737470
[19:35] <DB42> !info xchat
[19:35] <DB42> !info xchat2
[19:35] <ubotu> xchat (source: xchat): IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.4-0ubuntu7 (hardy), package size 301 kB, installed size 808 kB
[19:35] <ubotu> Package xchat2 does not exist in hardy
[19:35] <DB42> no new x-chat ?
[19:35] <TwoD> I'm using X-Chat...
[19:36] <slanning> using another user didn't do any better
[19:36] <daekdroom> XChat at hardy is 2.8.4
[19:36] <slanning> I thought dpkg-reconfigure was going to take care of xorg.conf
[19:36] <DB42> slanning, check /var/log for X errors or so
[19:36] <DB42> daekdroom, so on 7.10
[19:36] <daekdroom> slanning: dpkg-reconfigure was stripped of powers to reconfigure Xorg
[19:36] <daekdroom> Now you have to use displayconfig-gtk. That happens because now you don't go to console when X fails to start.
[19:37] <DB42> all the pakages are compile with gcc 4.2.1 ?
[19:37] <daekdroom> They wanted to make X.org easy to configure and manage.
[19:37] <sielnt_> what's that new audio layer in hardy now?
[19:37] <DB42> audiopulse
[19:37] <daekdroom> PulseAudio
[19:37] <daekdroom> !pulseaudio
[19:37] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[19:37] <sielnt_> ah, right, does it work with OSS, or is ubuntu alsa-locked?
[19:38] <daekdroom> As far as I know programs that use those will still work.
[19:38] <TwoD> I still need help about my kernel panic problem tho.. http://pastebin.com/m3cfbfec5
[19:38] <crimsun> sielnt_: it will use whatever backend you tell it to.  Granted, many packages assume ALSA's there.
[19:39] <slanning> X is actually running in ctrl-alt-F7 terminal , and there is a mouse (and the startup music plays) - just no gnome panels and right-clicking mouse doesn't bring up any menu or anything
[19:39] <sielnt_> crimsun: I usually just compile the latest alsa as a habit
[19:39] <DB42> slanning, try runing metacity & or so
[19:39] <m4gnu5> or is there a seperate channel for ubuntu on ps3 ?
[19:39] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[19:39] <slanning> DISPLAY=:0.0 displayconfig-gtk     failed to start from ctrl-alt-F4 terminal
[19:40] <DB42> m4gnu5, don't think too many people tried it :)
[19:40] <daekdroom> ALSA is still there.
[19:40] <m4gnu5> there is a bug report - but without solution ...
[19:40] <sielnt_> m4gnu5: I know a friend of mine was running some other distro... puppy something rather
[19:40] <DB42> m4gnu5, maybe try a ready-made dist for ps3 like yellow puppy ?
[19:41] <sielnt_> on his ps3
[19:41] <m4gnu5> 7.10 worked perfectly
[19:41] <DB42> k
[19:41] <m4gnu5> ... but i want to use my dvb-stick
[19:41] <DB42> i want to get linux on a ps3 to program the cell and SPE :)
[19:42] <DB42> btw, ctrl-c in the update-manager terminal window doesn't copy text, it cancels the package installation
[19:42] <DB42> don't do it on libc6 when updating to 8.04 :)
[19:42] <m4gnu5> installing ubuntu on ps3 was no problem - for 7.10 there is an extra ps3-cd
[19:43] <DB42> slanning, maybe you need to reconfigure gnome ?
[19:43] <sielnt_> m4gnu5: then run 7.10, in hindsight I'd rather be running it right now -_-"
[19:43] <TwoD> bbernie, try nautilus-actions-config, it might do what you want
[19:44] <DB42> can i somehow reset my compiz / gnome settings to be the default of a new user or so (i'm talking mainly the gui layout, nothing else) ?
[19:44] <m4gnu5> 8.04 works now - but only with the old kernel - and there is the module for the dvb-stick missing...
[19:44] <wolf4914> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) <[19:44] <slanning> DB42: ok, how would I go about that? (dpkg-reconfigure what?)
[19:44] <wolf4914> should I grab some other driver?
[19:44] <DB42> slanning, not sure :|
[19:44] <wolf4914> it does not recognize the driver installed obviously
[19:44] <DB42> wolf4914, move to vesa / nv
[19:45] <slanning> wait a minute, dpkg -l says "gnome-panel" is "rc"  (removed)  - is that right???
[19:45] <wolf4914> I can't - need dual head
[19:45] <DB42> just for checking...
[19:45] <slanning> maybe just some packages were incorrectly removed?
[19:45] <m4gnu5> wolf4914 i have had the same error with my nvidia...
[19:45] <DB42> !info iptables
[19:45] <Flannel> slanning: removed, but config files are still around
[19:45] <wolf4914> DB42, nv works
[19:45] <ubotu> iptables (source: iptables): administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. In component main, is standard. Version <IP_ADDRESS>debian1-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 390 kB, installed size 1380 kB
[19:45] <DB42> why not put iptables 1.4.0 ?
[19:46] <DB42> brb, rebooting to 8.04 on nvidia :)
[19:46] <wolf4914> with lower resolution and no dual head - I need twinview
[19:46] <slanning> Flannel: not sure I understand - is it correct that it's removed?
[19:46] <wolf4914> m4gnu5, any solution ?
[19:47] <m4gnu5> i did a brand new install
[19:47] <m4gnu5> although i could switch from x86 to amd64
[19:48] <Flannel> slanning: It is removed.  But when you remove a package (with just "remove" in synaptic or apt-get) you just remove the programs/etc, not the configurations.  You need to purge (with remove --purge, or as of hardy apt-get purge, or "complete removal" in synaptic) to get rid of config files as well (global, no package removal will remove home directory configs)
[19:48] <wolf4914> how did brand new install help?
[19:49] <m4gnu5> don't know what happened - but now i have X with nvidia working... i guess there was something wrong with the update to xorg 7.3 .. ??
[19:50] <wolf4914> hmm
[19:50] <wolf4914> weird - I hate to rteinstall though
[19:50] <alex_mayorga> bug 147877 anyone?
[19:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147877 in imagemagick "identify crashed with signal 24 in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147877
[19:50] <m4gnu5> with seperate /home its not the big problem ;-)
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[19:51] <nugz1212> can someone help me with my wifi issue
[19:52] <CoasterMaster> Should I be worried about a partial upgrade?
[19:52] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:52] <TwoD> *Sigh* Why does more and more apps keep replacing their progress bars with the "bouncing bars" which tells you nothing about how much is done/left? Heck, most of the time I'd prefer a simple xxx/yyy MBs left counter... (The archive manager in Gnome is a great example of something telling you exactly nothing)
[19:52] <nugz1212> i cant connect to my linksys wrt310n yet all other netowrks work
[19:53] <nic456456123> hola a todos dejen su firma en www.metroflog.com/nico456123 devulvo firmas
[19:53] <nugz1212> all versions of ubuntu freeze when trying to connect
[19:53] <m4gnu5> wolf: i guess there will be another solution, but i tried a lot... and i am not a noob to linux
[19:53] <nugz1212> including 8.04
[19:54] <wolf4914> hmm - I will try beta drivers
[19:54] <cycom> If I change something in /etc/acpi/acpi-support, what do I have to do to get the changes to take effect?
[19:54] <wolf4914> 173.08 - maybe they will work?
[19:54] <cycom> reboot? or will it work immediately?
[19:54] <nugz1212> anyone else having these problems?
[19:55] <wolf4914> m4gnu5, tried beta by the way?
[19:55] <m4gnu5> i think so...
[19:55] <wolf4914> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[19:55] <wolf4914> sure? If you did it will save me some time
[19:56] <m4gnu5> i downloaded several drivers directly from nvidia...
[19:56] <godfool> fron
[19:56] <wolf4914> beta included?
[19:56] <nickrud> wow, envyng has made it to ubuntu
[19:56] <bbernie> Does anyone know how to edit the right-click menu, when right clicking the desktop [using gnome]
[19:56] <orvokki> Gah, there's been tons of new upgrades...
[19:56] <m4gnu5> i think i also tried beta...
[19:56] <Ramunas> hello, do any of you know of a simple audio player? I want something like the xmms
[19:57] <Ramunas> amarok and rhytmbox are too big and uncomfortable for me
[19:57] <Lynoure> Ramunas: but definately don't want xmms? =)
[19:57] <derspankster> Ramunas: audacious
[19:57] <DanaG> quodlibet is nice, too.
[19:58] <nickrud> beep-media-player , is that still being developed?
[19:58] <Ramunas> I want xmms, but it seems its not available on hardy?
[19:58] <DanaG> And quodlibet still has working media keys.
[19:58] <Lynoure> Ramunas: xmms2 is
[19:59] <Ramunas> btw, when I listen to music, and pause it to watch a flash video, I get no sound on flash video
[19:59] <DanaG> envyng is lame -- it doesn't edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common.
[19:59] <m4gnu5> wolf: you tried both nvidia drivers?
[19:59] <nugz1212> wow nobody on any channel knows how to fix my problem
[19:59] <m4gnu5> there is now nvidia-glx and nvidia-new-glx...
[20:00] <justin1990> hm na sowas
[20:00] <sielnt_> there's been a glx-new for a long time
[20:00] <justin1990> hey ich hab ein problem, ich möchte einen alternativen webbrowser installieren als firefox oder opera weil die nicht gut funktionieren ( ubuntu hardy ) kann jemand helfen
[20:00] <sielnt_> pretty sure that's german
[20:00] <DanaG> !de
[20:00] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:00] <nugz1212> ich ben ein berliner
[20:00] <Flannel> !browsers | justin1990
[20:00] <ubotu> justin1990: Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[20:00] <Ramunas> Lynoure, so I need xmms2, and some UI for it too?
[20:01] <nugz1212> network issue please help
[20:01] <nickrud> Ramunas I see gxmms2 for gnome, apt-cache search xmms2 shows a _lot_
[20:01] <wolf4914> I think I tried both
[20:01] <justin1990> !browsers
[20:01] <ubotu> Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[20:01] <Lynoure> Ramunas: way back when I used xmms it was xmms (non-2) :)
[20:01] <justin1990> what about iceape ?
[20:01] <nugz1212> cant connect to linksys wrt210n
[20:01] <nugz1212> please help
[20:01] <wolf4914> nvidia-new-glx was the last I tried
[20:02] <wolf4914> since the error is about glx (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:02] <wolf4914> (WW) <default pointer>: No Device specified, looking for one...
[20:02] <nugz1212> idea
[20:02] <DanaG> aah, envyng: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/
[20:02] <nugz1212> try new driver
[20:02] <nugz1212> brb
[20:03] <KADKO> all hp printers work's whit ubuntu?
[20:03] <sielnt_> KADKO: there's an awesome printer configuration thing in ubuntu that has a shit ton of drivers built in
[20:03] <Zambezi> KADKO: Are you going to buy one or having trouble with one?
[20:04] <KADKO> Im going to buy a new one
[20:04] <Zambezi> KADKO: I have a really nice one, but it's not HP.
[20:04] <sielnt_> KADKO: check out system-config-printer
[20:05] <nickrud> wonder if envyng will be backported
[20:05] <sielnt_> what's the printer name, I'll check for drivers
[20:05] <Zambezi> KADKO: Brother HL2030.
[20:05] <DanaG> Handy hint: "show networked printers"
[20:05] <KADKO> wait a moment let me chek the model
[20:05] <DanaG> In General (I think), or "Server Settings"
[20:05] <DanaG> Lets you print to any shared printer, without explicitly adding it.
[20:06] <KADKO>  Its an HP - Photosmart Wireless Multifunction Printer/ Copier/ Scanner  Model C4385
[20:06] <derspankster> I have an HP laser networked with a JetDirect print server. Works just fine.
[20:06] <sielnt_> KADKO: you'll have to look more into the scanning functions, copying should be done one the machine itself afaik, but for printing, I'll check
[20:07] <KADKO> Zambezi: Your brother looks fine
[20:07] <KADKO> silent_: Ok tnx
[20:08] <Zambezi> KADKO: Just plugin, works directly. Quick and cheap. :-)
[20:08] <sielnt_> KADKO: looks like there's a generic driver for PhotoSmart C4380 series, should work fine
[20:08] <DanaG> Can you use scanners over the network?
[20:09] <Ramunas> xmms2 is clearly not ready for the normal users, bmpx is just weird
[20:09] <Ramunas> where did all the simple players like good old xmms and bmp go?
[20:09] <KADKO> okey tanx silent_
[20:09] <sielnt_> Ramunas: doesnt matter Rhythmbox, Amarok >>>>> xmms
[20:09] <derspankster> !audacious
[20:09] <ubotu> audacious is included in !Feisty. A !repository also exists for !Edgy: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[20:09] <orvokki> Ramunas: How about Audacious?
[20:10] <orvokki> It's mostly an XMMS clone.
[20:10] <sielnt_> a clone of a clone
[20:10] <sielnt_> wow
[20:12] <Ramunas> orvokki, thanks, audacious will do!
[20:12] <derspankster> skins available too
[20:12] <nacho_> Hi
[20:13] <nacho_> I installed ubuntu 8.04 and I am having problems with the touchpad
[20:13] <Ramunas> should I use alsa or pulse audio?
[20:13] <orvokki> Depends. Pulse Audio might be a good choice if it works.
[20:14] <nacho_> and to install it I had to configure by myself the xorg.conf and other things because the live cd doesn't start gdm
[20:14] <sielnt_> Ramunas: afaik pulse audio has more options for audio stream manipulation, but I just use alsa cause I know it will work
[20:14] <Ramunas> will there eventually be one standart? or users will always have to decide?
[20:15] <Ramunas> I assume new users would get really confused by all that audio output stuff
[20:15] <sielnt_> Ramunas: most of it is behind the scenes, as always
[20:23] <cycom> here's a fun thing: I suspend my toshiba A100.  On resume, the display is black, and the keyboard doesn't respond.  If I killall Xorg -9, suddenly the login screen appears and everything works
[20:23] <cycom> any thoughts?
[20:23] <h3sp4wn>  /query craz_imp
[20:28] <stael123> hello everybody! just installed 8.04 and got problem with resolution. no other option but 400x800
[20:30] <david> stael123: google is your friend
[20:30] <david> try phrases such as "wrong resolution ubuntu", "ubuntu resolution drivers" and whatnot
[20:31] <david> issues such as wrong driver, wrong settings and blacklisting might be your problem
[20:31] <david> (etc)
[20:33] <stael123> i'll try
[20:33] <Volkodav> how do I get to init 3?
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> That won't help you with xrandr 1.2 and may confuse things more
[20:34] <YazzY> hi guys
[20:34] <nickrud> Volkodav using init for different X setups isn't used in ubuntu
[20:34] <Volkodav> I need to install beta nvidia drivers
[20:35] <Volkodav> and need to be in init 3
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> Define need
[20:35] <YazzY> why isnt there any nvidia driver in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-xen  ?
[20:35] <Volkodav> cuz others do not work lol
[20:35] <YazzY> while linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-11-386 has it
[20:36] <Volkodav> I tried init 3 and just 3 in kernel parameters in grub - did not work
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> Well it needs the kernel patches to be changed
[20:37] <nickrud> Volkodav log out of the desktop, hit ctl-alt-f2. login, type  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop. Do nvidia stuff. then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start, and clt-alt-f7 to get back to login screen if needed
[20:37] <Volkodav> thanks nickrud
[20:38] <david> stael123: I don'y want to push you off, but I wanted to show you google has good answers for this :)
[20:38] <YazzY> any of you guys have answer to my question ?
[20:38] <david> please ask about the procedures you find if you think they're confusing or something
[20:39] <stael123> sure thanks!
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> upstart doesn't have runlevels afaik
[20:39] <david> YazzY: perhaps it's blacklisted ? :)
[20:39] <david> no idea sorry
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> Just some pretty basic emulation
[20:40] <david> stael123: I/we just want to encourage people to first seek information themselves, then help out to fill in that information
[20:40] <david> unix/linux world is very anti-spoonfeeding ;)
[20:41] <YazzY> david: "perhaps.." is not exactly the answer i was looking for
[20:41] <YazzY> someone needs to know why the drivers were not included for xen
[20:41] <david> YazzY: don't expect the spanish inquisition
[20:41] <david> ;)
[20:42] <Zambezi> david: The Ubuntuspirit is to help out, not recommend Google.
[20:42] <nickrud> YazzY probably because the dev's don't intend to provide opengl support in xen
[20:42] <YazzY> nickrud: it was included in former versions
[20:42] <hischild> Zambezi, we can't help everyone when google has the answer for them
[20:42] <david> Zambezi: ofcourse, but we help people by recommending google for trivial answers
[20:42] <nickrud> !google (at least give some search terms)
[20:43] <nickrud> !google | someone (at least give some search terms)
[20:43] <ubotu> someone (at least give some search terms): google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[20:43] <Zambezi> hischild, david: Okay, here's an exception. :-)
[20:44] <hischild> Zambezi, i haven't followed the entire discussion. But i have recommended google more then once with a reason =)
[20:44] <david> atleast we're not as rude as the common linux-channels :P
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> That also doesn't take into account the general lack of detail in most Ubuntu documentation
[20:44] <nickrud> googles ok, just as long as it's not done with the jfgi attitude. Offering search terms helps a lot
[20:45] <david> few times have I been among as unhelpful people as in random linux and unix channels
[20:45] <Zambezi> hischild: I usally don't in #ubuntu-se, #ubuntu. But this isn't a good channel asking basic questions.
[20:45] <hischild> Zambezi, ubuntu-se?
[20:45] <hischild> nickrud, jfgi?
[20:45] <nickrud> hischild  just F***** google it
[20:45] <hischild> nickrud, i see