[21:09] <user07786> I subscribed to all notifications for a bug on Launchpad. However, when I go to my Launchpad profile under Subscribed bugs the bug is not listed.
[21:10] <user07786> It seems that Launchpad should list under "Subscribed bugs," the bug that I have subscribed to. Any suggestions for debugging this behavior?
[23:42] <riskycapital> how do i get the bazaar url for "nvidia-graphics-drivers-367 - 367.27-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1" at https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[23:44] <riskycapital> "bzr branch ~graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers-367/trunk " doesn't work, am i doing wrong?
[23:46] <teward> riskycapital: just because there's a package doesn't mean there is a bzr branch to pull in.
[23:46] <teward> riskycapital: given these are proprietary, I'm guessing that there is no repo to pull in because of the proprietary nature of the code
[23:47] <riskycapital> ahh okay, thanks so much!
[23:47] <teward> though i am not certain, i'm taking a "best guess"


[00:03] <doctormo> Hey jono
[00:04] <doctormo> Our LoCo meeting, we're having a talk about Canonical. Some people are wondering what's going on at Canonical these days, non technical stuff.
[00:04] <doctormo> What do you think?
[00:06] <jono> doctormo, what do I think about what?
[00:08] <doctormo> jono: What stuff is happening at Canonical, things like advertising campaigns, deals with OEMs, interesting other stuff to conquest bug #1.
[00:08] <ubot2`> doctormo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[00:08] <jono> doctormo, I don't understand what you asking what I think about though - do you mean is it good that the team are discussing that?
[00:08] <jono> or are you asking me to comment on some things?
[00:08] <doctormo> jono: Yes
[00:08] <jono> erm
[00:09] <jono> which question was that an answer to
[00:09] <jono> ?
 doctormo, I don't understand what you asking what I think about though - do you mean is it good that the team are discussing that?
[00:09] <jono>  or are you asking me to comment on some things?
[00:09] <doctormo> or are you asking me to comment on some things? Yes
[00:09] <jono> well I haven't got time right now, but feel free to send me a bunch of questions and I can follow up via email
[00:10] <doctormo> jono: No problem, the meeting will be over soon. Post some more interesting stuff to your blog. :-)
[00:10] <jono> ok
[00:10] <jono> gotta run, laters!
[00:12] <doctormo> laters
[00:50] <jcastro> hey
[00:50] <jcastro> popey: or AlanBell
[00:50] <jcastro> or I guess doctormo too, since you're english
[00:50] <doctormo> jcastro: Ello, ello, what's awl this then.
[00:51] <jcastro> proper
[00:51] <jcastro> so hey are you into dr. who?
[01:51] <mhall119> who?
[02:42] <akgraner> jcastro, you still around?
[02:43] <akgraner> I replied to your email - once the official countdown banners are announced we'll add one to the fridge - if you all want we can pull the natty one until the official ones have been released
[06:45] <dpm> good morning all
[06:45] <dpm> AlanBell, o/
[06:46] <dpm> just swapped your UADW session so that is on Monday, as discussed yesterday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <AlanBell> great, thanks dpm
[07:50] <dpm> AlanBell, no worries, thank you for running the session :)
[07:51] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:51] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:17] <nigelb> Mornign folks!
[08:19] <huats> morning !
[08:20] <kim0> Morning all
[10:08] <nigelb> wow, this is awesome. http://nightly.mozilla.org/
[10:08] <nigelb> I vote we have something like that for our beta pages
[10:17] <czajkowski> ALOHA!
[14:05] <mhall119> morning
[14:06] <nigelb> Morning!
[14:06] <nigelb> mhall119: congrats on getting that release out.
[14:07] <mhall119> nigelb: thanks
[14:08] <cjohnston> jamming in Orlando
[14:08] <nigelb> OOH RIGHT.
[14:08] <nigelb> I'll be joining you folks
[14:10] <cjohnston> you gonna work on our projects?
[14:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: there is an empty seat at the jam table for you
[14:11] <jcastro> My wife is at work.
[14:11] <nigelb> cjohnston: I'm gonna work on summit.
[14:11] <jcastro> and she has the car
[14:11] <jcastro> wait, I did tell you this right?
[14:11] <nigelb> Yeah :P
[14:11] <nigelb> I remember.
[14:12] <nigelb> cjohnston: did you guys already start?
[14:12] <cjohnston> ya
[14:15] <mhall119> jcastro: are you remote jamming with us today?
[14:16] <jcastro> mhall119: where are you guys at?
[14:16] <mhall119> #ubuntu-website
[14:19] <cjohnston> /14/15
[14:19] <cjohnston> 5
[14:19] <cjohnston> uggh
[14:19] <nigelb> 4
[14:19] <Pici> ls
[14:56] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:56] <jono> howdy dholbach
[14:56] <jono> about set for the call?
[14:57] <dholbach> jono, yep
[15:00] <dholbach> jono, I started a hangout
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, lets do skype
[15:01] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[15:01] <dholbach> jono, ok
[15:01] <dholbach> jono, just call when you're ready
[15:01] <czajkowski> tis friday :) weekend of UGJ :)
[15:01] <dholbach> yooohoo! :)
[15:02] <paultag> doctormo: howdy doodie
[15:02] <mhall119> it's friday, friday, gotta Ubuntu Jam on friday
[15:02] <cjohnston> czajkowski: we've been jamming for like 2 hours
[15:02] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sweet
[15:02] <paultag> I'm at work jamming to radiohead
[15:02] <czajkowski> was on a train jyself, then grocery shopping
[15:02] <paultag> sadly, not an ubuntu jam :(
[15:02] <mhall119> course, we haven't actually been working yet
[15:02] <czajkowski> but will do some tomorrow
[15:02] <mhall119> just fixing cjohnston's home network
[15:03] <czajkowski> I need to finish the doc I was working on before I left
[15:06] <jcastro> mhall119: if we had it here I have a nice cache of the archive ....
[15:06] <jcastro> and other amenities
[15:07] <mhall119> jcastro: what archives?
[15:07] <jcastro> the ubuntu one
[15:08] <jcastro> I have a nice PXE installer set up too. The ideal location for your next Jam Party.
[15:08]  * jcastro sounds like a commercial
[15:09] <nigelb> mhall119: THERE'S STILL TIME. DRIVE TO jcastro'S PLACE!
[15:10] <mhall119> jcastro: we're hacking on websites here
[15:10] <mhall119> nigelb: that's 2 hours away, so no
[15:10] <jcastro> I thought it was closer to 3.5 hours
[15:10] <nigelb> depends on how long it takes to get cjohnston's network up.
[15:10] <jcastro> I forgot to mention I have like 22mbit business class internets
[15:10] <nigelb> jcastro: cjohnston drives the fire truck...
[15:11] <nigelb> traffic clears for him
[15:11] <mhall119> jcastro: oh right, i'm thinking statik is 2 hours away
[15:54] <jcastro> jono: kim0: call in 5?
[15:55] <kim0> I'm here
[15:55] <jono> jcastro, kim0 yup
[15:55] <jcastro> jono: hey so g+ now works now that the multiarch thing is sorted
[15:58] <jono> jcastro, kim0 bear with me, need to wrap something real quick before our call
[16:06] <jono> jcastro, kim0 lets do skypew
[16:06] <jono> jcastro, kim0 lets do skype
[16:06] <jcastro> okey
[16:06] <jcastro> ugh
[16:06] <jcastro> I have to reinstall it
[16:06] <jcastro> sec, there's some problem with it in beta
[16:08] <jcastro> ugh, skype is uninstallable for me
[16:09] <jono> ok lets try G+
[16:10] <jono> jcastro, you on as Jill?
[16:10] <nigelb> heh
[16:10] <jcastro> jono: yeah, just call that account
[16:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: you running OO ?
[16:20] <jcastro> yeah
[16:21] <czajkowski> all running smoothly
[16:21] <czajkowski> setting off an upgrade before I head out
[16:22] <jono> czajkowski, working well for me
[16:22] <czajkowski> jono: coolio,
[16:22] <czajkowski> hopefully come back to a nice working OO lappy
[16:22] <nigelb> jcastro: do you use the x220?
[16:22] <nigelb> s/use/own
[16:24] <jcastro> yeah
[16:24] <jcastro> working fine on X220
[16:25] <nigelb> Should. Resist. Buying.
[16:25] <czajkowski> kicking off now :)
[16:25] <czajkowski> on Cypher my tosh
[16:25] <czajkowski>  not the mini 9 just yet though
[16:25] <paultag> mini 9 rulez
[16:26] <czajkowski> paultag: yup, but it runs really well under natty
[16:26] <paultag> I wouldn't know :)
[16:26] <czajkowski> and I also need to buy more space in it tbh
[16:26] <paultag> that's my (only) debian machine
[16:26] <czajkowski> it's just easy to throw in handbag when hopping on a plane
[16:26] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:26] <czajkowski> seems it's having a problem with my mirror
[16:27] <paultag> czajkowski: yar, it fits in the small bit of my backpack - I got the double size battery, it lasts ~6 hoursish
[16:27] <paultag> if I'm not doing something nuts
[16:27] <czajkowski> nods
[16:27] <czajkowski> I used to get 3.5hr outta the batter
[16:27] <paultag> yar, that was about right
[16:27] <czajkowski> but now only about an hr or so
[16:27] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, there was a kernel issue that caused that, you know
[16:27] <paultag> czajkowski: you might be able to revert it with a magic patch
[16:28] <czajkowski> oh
[16:28] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:28] <czajkowski> thought it was because I bought it back in 08
[16:28] <paultag> yeah some idiot screwed something up last I checked
[16:28] <paultag> in like 2.6.someodd later
[16:28] <paultag> 2.6.38
[16:28] <czajkowski> how about not calling the person that :) these things happen
[16:28] <paultag> ubuntu 11.04
[16:29] <paultag> czajkowski: from this page (because of an upstream linux isssue) - Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat gets over two hours more battery life than Natty Narwhal
[16:29] <paultag> czajkowski: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTU2MA
[16:30] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:30] <czajkowski> locolint is causing my upgrade to stop
[16:30] <czajkowski> as is the patch to stop my machine from randomly restarting
[16:30] <czajkowski> bugger
[16:30] <paultag> czajkowski: wait, what?
[16:31] <paultag> czajkowski: locolint? Oh, is it because of a dep on 2.6?
[16:31] <paultag> if that's it, I'll fix that later on tonight, but yeah, apt-get purge that for now
[16:32] <paultag> actually, speaking of purging, I need to eat
[16:32] <paultag> I'll ttyl, lunch time!
[16:38] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - have a great WE everyone!
[16:38]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:40] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[16:41] <czajkowski> dholbach: bye
[16:43] <jono> czajkowski, you have time for a quick call?
[16:44] <czajkowski> skype ?
[16:44] <jono> czajkowski, yes please
[16:44] <czajkowski> gimmie 5 need to find machine
[16:44] <jono> np
[16:44] <czajkowski> when you sign  in
[16:44] <czajkowski> you'll knw
[16:46] <jono> czajkowski, ready when you are
[16:48] <jono> dpm, still alive? lol
[16:55] <dpm> heya jono, at the airport now, going back home :)
[17:04] <jono> dpm, good week?
[17:04] <dpm> jono, yeah, got quite a bit done and everything on track :)
[17:07] <jono> nice!
[17:36] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k2nvl/we_are_the_ubuntu_unity_development_team_we_3/
[17:36] <jcastro> paultag: upboat, tell a friend
[17:36] <paultag> jcastro: msg a mod and verify the post
[17:37] <paultag> jcastro: then you can get it confirmed
[17:37] <jcastro> already on it yo
[17:37] <paultag> w0rd
[17:37] <jcastro> just need your upboat
[17:37] <paultag> jcastro: 'twas already done
[17:39] <jcastro> jono: can you tweet this pls: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k2nvl/we_are_the_ubuntu_unity_development_team_we_3/
[17:40] <jono> jcastro, done
[17:45] <AlanBell> so you need a reddit account to ask questions?
[17:48] <paultag> hey jcastro / jono : do you know who was doing the Google Summer of Code stuff?
[17:48] <jcastro> no clue
[17:48] <jcastro> AlanBell: yeah
[17:49] <paultag> jcastro: I kinda need it - is there any way you can find out?
[17:49] <jcastro> no clue
[17:49] <jcastro> afaik we haven't done gsoc stuff in a long time
[17:49] <paultag> jcastro: we need an approved org that might be able to take fluxbox in to file the PO for the summer work under
[17:49] <jcastro> maybe jono knows
[17:49] <paultag> jcastro: yeah, sure, but since we don't have some things, we were told to find an org that might act on our behalf
[18:02] <jcastro> AlanBell: nice question!
[18:02] <AlanBell> apparently I have had a reddit account for 5 years
[18:02] <jcastro> heh
[18:04] <AlanBell> can't say I am impressed with it as a platform for this, but I guess there are people who use reddit and don't know about Ubuntu who might get involved
[18:05] <paultag> AlanBell: the average redditor is a college aged nerd who's majoring in CS at a private university
[18:05] <paultag> AlanBell: who enjoys dick jokes
[18:05] <paultag> AlanBell: the ubuntu usage on reddit is 4% of the userbase
[18:06] <paultag> not bad for a site that's in the top percect of sites hit on the internet
[18:06] <jcastro> I think reddit is perfect for this
[18:06] <jcastro> the humor-style is awesome
[18:07] <AlanBell> you have to keep refreshing the page and it won't allow more than one comment every 10 minutes
[18:07] <paultag> AlanBell: if you have a short history
[18:07] <jcastro> the reddit code is oss btw.
[18:08] <paultag> except for spam detection
[18:10] <jono> paultag, at Google?
[18:14] <AlanBell> we are due a new release name from sabdfl, the last .10 announcement was on 17th August
[18:14] <AlanBell> .04 announcement I mean
[18:15] <jcastro> yeah I was just wondering that myself
[18:19] <AlanBell> perfect penguin has to be high up the list
[18:19] <paultag> jcastro: no, @ canonical / ubuntu (whoever)
[18:19] <paultag> erm jono *
[18:19] <paultag> sorry jcastro
[18:27] <jcastro> AlanBell: nah, too obvious
[18:27] <jcastro> also, naming anything "perfect" would be a bad idea
[18:28] <AlanBell> well it is an LTS
[18:29] <jcastro> I am hoping for "peregrine" for the animal
[18:29] <jcastro> it's the perfect hunter
[18:29] <jcastro> the fastest thing in the sky
[18:31] <AlanBell> well the orca install of B2 is a complete and utter failure
[18:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: do you know the a11y guy? he's on #ayatana sometimes
[18:32] <jcastro> it's the guy from imendo
[18:32] <AlanBell> Luke?
[18:32] <AlanBell> themuso?
[18:32] <jcastro> he does alot of it but there's like another dedicate guy
[18:32] <jcastro> not luke
[18:32] <jcastro> one sec, let me look him up
[18:33] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro
[18:33] <jcastro> ah sorry, that should have been igalia not imendo
[18:37] <AlanBell> API from gnome a11y works for Canonical?
[19:10] <jcastro> OH MAN.
[19:10] <jcastro> Guess what I just remembered
[19:10] <jcastro> Monday is a holiday! \o/
[19:12] <mhall119> yup
[19:32] <jcastro> jono: hey did the ubuntu tweak guy ever respond back?
[19:32] <jcastro> seems like that whole thing fizzled
[19:33] <jono> jcastro, I haven't heard from him for a while
[19:33] <jcastro> I posted to the list but got nothing but crickets
[19:34]  * AlanBell is finding B2 too crashy to test
[19:36] <jcastro> which part is crashy?
[19:36] <AlanBell> fresh clean install and the first thing it does is pop up that it detected a system problem
[19:36] <AlanBell> then the global menus flash on and off every second
[19:38] <jcastro> oh, with the first one that always happens to me
[19:38] <jcastro> and then I get sick of it and turn off apport some days
[19:38] <AlanBell> the bottom row of expanded categories doesn't display so lenses are screwed
[19:38] <AlanBell> global menu seems to have given up crashing now and decided to be global
[19:39] <jcastro> oh hey
[19:39] <jcastro> did you upgrade today?
[19:39] <AlanBell> but alt+f doesn't let me navigate the file menu
[19:39] <jcastro> there was a unity update
[19:39] <AlanBell> clean install of the B2 iso
[19:39] <AlanBell> but I will update
[19:40] <AlanBell> global menu doesn't actually appear to be a menu that is navigable
[19:42] <AlanBell> so global menus can't be used with the keyboard /o\
[22:42] <akgraner> AlanBell, I updated and had to run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^' before I rebooted   -  I still got the detected a system problem error and filed that bug but other stuff seems to be working
[22:52] <AlanBell> I have it running reasonably well in virtualbox
[22:52] <AlanBell> it seems more crashy with orca running, which would turn on the at-spi2 stuff
[22:53] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston would you mind adding the new feeds on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds ?
[23:01] <akgraner> jcastro, someone should tell the people in London that - I have calls all morning on Monday :-/ (ok so I completely forgot it was a holiday so I guess that's my fault)
[23:04]  * AlanBell agrees, Monday should be a holiday
[23:36] <mhall119> jono: who's supposed to be decided what gets added and what doesn't?
[23:36] <jono> mhall119, if they are an approved loco and it looks like the feed has loco content then it is a +1
[23:36] <mhall119> the wiki isn't write-restricted, so anybody can add their feed to that list
[23:36] <jono> that's all
[23:36] <jono> yeah, anyone can add, just a cursory check to see if they are approved and are posting loco content
[23:37] <mhall119> are there any loco-council people online?
[23:37] <paultag> mhall119: yeah
[23:37] <paultag> mhall119: next time a ping will get a faster response :)
[23:37] <mhall119> paultag: hey, have you tried getting to the loco-directory's admin to add feeds?
[23:38] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[23:38] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[23:38] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[23:38] <mhall119> you said faster
[23:38] <paultag> mhall119: no, would you like me to try? I hit it unauth'd at work and it came up with the django menu
[23:38] <mhall119> paultag: you'll have to log in with sso before going to /admin/
[23:38] <paultag> mhall119: Aye, that's what I said
[23:38] <paultag> :)
[23:39] <mhall119> so are you trying again?
[23:39] <paultag> mhall119: I asked if you'd like me to try :)
[23:39] <paultag> mhall119: shall I?
[23:40] <paultag> mhall119: just did, it works :)
[23:40] <mhall119> yes please
[23:40] <mhall119> paultag: would you be so kind as to add feeds from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds that meet the criteria jono mentioned?
[23:40] <paultag> mhall119: I'm busy now, but I'll test one now
[23:40] <paultag> mhall119: do you guys have rights?
[23:42] <paultag> mhall119: just added ubuntu-uk OBO AlanBell
[23:42] <paultag> mhall119: it went through
[23:42] <jono> many thanks paultag
[23:43] <paultag> jono: sure thing
[23:44] <paultag> mhall119: I added a processed column on the table. I'll work through it when I'm not programming
[23:45] <mhall119> paultag: cjohnston and I have permission, yes, but I'd prefer that the loco-council make the decisions that are based on merit
[23:46] <mhall119> thanks paultag
[23:46] <paultag> mhall119: sure. All the feeds on there look good, except for Sergio Meneses
[23:47] <paultag> but that's just by URL and because I don't know him
[23:47] <paultag> so I'll just have to look @ content and who he is
[23:47] <paultag> but I'm sure it's fine


[08:34] <pavlushka> o/ Naeil
[08:36] <Naeil> \o pavlushka how are you
[08:36] <pavlushka> me fine, now I am pavlushka with the cat, and you?
[08:38] <Naeil> haha, am fine too ty :D
[08:48] <elacheche> Morning folks :)
[08:53] <Naeil> o/ elacheche :D
[08:55] <elacheche> Naeil: Why you'e not on D* x)
[08:59] <pavlushka> Morning elacheche :)
[09:00] <Naeil> I didn't get what u mean elacheche :p
[09:11] <elacheche> Naeil: https://diasp.org/i/3598faf4d636
[09:14] <Naeil> aw, I like it :D
[09:18] <elacheche> :)
[09:38] <elacheche> pavlushka: you can join as well :) if you like to :)
[09:47] <pavlushka> elacheche: thanks, I'll give it a try :)
[09:57] <elacheche> Morning SalahMessaoud :)
[10:43] <elacheche> https://twitter.com/itsfoss/status/791335040902959104
[13:45] <praisethemoon> guess who had so much work that he forgot to start hexchat today ..
[13:46] <elacheche> hahah :D
[13:47] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I may have a little disturbing news x)
[13:48] <praisethemoon> tell me
[13:49] <praisethemoon> elacheche, hit me :3
[13:49] <elacheche> The project you talked about, it's a little bit like this one ( http://open-paas.org/ ) isn't it!
[13:49] <elacheche> :D
[13:49] <praisethemoon> alright
[13:50] <praisethemoon> that was a strong punch
[13:50] <praisethemoon> xD
[13:50] <elacheche> :D x) Did you checked it
[13:50] <elacheche> ?
[13:50] <praisethemoon> I am!
[13:50] <elacheche> Actually, Naeil works for the company who founded that project x)
[13:51] <praisethemoon> oh :D
[13:52] <praisethemoon> that wont stop me though
[13:52] <praisethemoon> I AM ROCK
[13:52] <praisethemoon> no jk i'm praisethemoon
[13:52] <praisethemoon> :3
[13:52] <elacheche> x)
[13:53] <Naeil> o/
[13:53] <elacheche> BTW, my company created a such product back to 2012/13 too.. But the project is dead now (I think)
[13:53] <pavlushka> o/
[13:53] <praisethemoon> o/
[13:53] <praisethemoon> elacheche, why is that?
[13:54] <elacheche> Just business.. Our company focus on something else now (I think)
[13:54] <Naeil> \o/ I am almost finishing my 1st patch to the Linux kernel :D
[13:54] <praisethemoon> oh I see
[13:54] <praisethemoon> to put it simply
[13:54] <praisethemoon> project didnt bring enough money xD
[13:55] <elacheche> Naeil: WooW! I was trying to pass eudyptula-challenge.org for months, and you're already preparing a patch x) TEACH ME x)
[13:56] <elacheche> praisethemoon: Honestly no idea.. It was none of my business, so I didn't ask..
[13:57] <Naeil> hahaha elacheche :D I am very good with C btw so I found myself very comfortable and I was for a long period following the LFS project
[13:57] <elacheche> Great! :)
[13:57] <elacheche> Send me log link when you send it :D I'm interested to read it
[13:58] <Naeil> Sure :D
[13:58] <elacheche> thx
[14:06] <Naeil> yw, take a look about that issue xD https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/335#issuecomment-256643802
[14:10] <praisethemoon> OH MY GOD
[14:10] <praisethemoon> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[14:10] <praisethemoon> but i feel he's trolling xD
[14:10] <elacheche> x)
[14:12] <Naeil> I liked the comments there :D
[14:12] <Naeil> btw, elacheche you didn't tried to configure mutt to work with @ubuntu.com?
[14:14] <elacheche> I did.. And it works well.. My wedding inviation that you got was scripted using mutt and my ubuntu @
[14:14] <elacheche> I can share my config if you like, but I got it from the Kernel documentation
[14:14] <elacheche> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/email-clients.txt
[14:16] <Naeil> aw, that's good I was asking to see if anyone tried it and it works
[14:16] <Naeil> So, I will do it, ty :D
[14:17] <elacheche> Naeil: You told me that wesome wm ml will be shutdown? Why!
[14:18] <Naeil> https://github.com/awesomeWM/awesome-www/issues/8
[14:22] <elacheche> Oh! Not a really big deal..
[14:25] <Naeil> yep, especially the ML of AwesomWM is already dead, no mails no newcomers
[14:25] <elacheche> yep
[14:26] <elacheche> praisethemoon: you're a lua ninja and a webDev (so you have some good design taste) you should create awesome wm themes :D I'll be happy to try them :p
[14:27] <praisethemoon> uhhhm but aint the project dying?
[14:27] <elacheche> The only themes package I know is → https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats
[14:27] <Naeil> no, not the project! only the ML :D
[14:27] <elacheche> praisethemoon: nope it's not :p
[14:27] <elacheche> Only the ML will be dead x)
[14:28] <elacheche> The project migrated to Github so everything wil be hosted from there
[14:32] <praisethemoon> alright :3
[14:32] <praisethemoon> i'll be sure to give it a try ;)
[14:33] <elacheche> :)
[15:41] <Naeil> elacheche, can you share with me your config
[15:41] <Naeil> of mutt
[15:41] <elacheche> OK, let me just hack it :D
[15:41] <Naeil> Alright :D
[15:44] <elacheche> I hope I didn't miss anything there x)
[15:44] <elacheche> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23388786/
[15:44] <elacheche> Naeil: Just change nickname by your gmail handler, and pass by your APP pass (not GMAIL one)
[15:45] <Naeil> okay, ty so much :D
[15:49] <pavlushka> guys, can any of you send me a test mail from @ubuntu.com to my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>having issues.
[15:55] <elacheche> what kind of issue pavlushka I maybe can help
[15:57] <pavlushka> I cant send from my @ubuntu.com alias from gmail now
[15:58] <pavlushka> google says it has blocked a suspicious login from smtp.gmail.com, how funny.
[15:58] <pavlushka> they blocked their own ip
[16:00] <Naeil> What app u are using it to send mails from @ubuntu pavlushka ?
[16:05] <pavlushka> from google webmail using QupZilla browser, its light but has support issues.
[16:12] <pavlushka> thanks elacheche , be back after a reboot, the system is a little laggy.


 No problem switching on "installed" jammy 22.04 default (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <guiverc> anyone using installed jammy/22.04 & default gnome desktop; can you easily flip between Xorg/Wayland session at gdm3?   I don't see how on a live session I can do it)
 Tested @guiverc live session and confirm no gear box and unable to switch - is this by design or a bug?
[12:38] <guiverc> thanks @Leokolb, no idea about live system (design vs bug), just makes some support a little harder when I/we? don't have a installed system handy...  (how it'll impact me anyway)
[12:38] <guiverc> I can guess at why it's not there though (if by design; or at least one reason)
 hello! i would like to test the new unity with ubuntu 22.04 but the link is broken 😢 : https://matterbridge.thomas-ward.net/8d73edf0/file_114.jpg
 is there another link please?
 @Leozao2020 http://linux.darkpenguin.net/distros/ubuntu-unity/22.04/testing-week/
 thank you !!!
 you're welcome
 @Leozao2020 issues with ubuntu unity can be reported here: https://gitlab.com/ubuntu-unity/ubuntu-unity-issues/-/issues
 also feel free to join in here if you haven't already done so: https://t.me/ubuntuunitydiscuss
 😉


[14:36] <gQuigs> hi there.. is the Mozilla team still active?    the last meeting was in 2008?  last mailing list message was in 2012..   Is there actually a next "NEXT MOZILLATEAM MEETING: February 11th 1600 UTC "  then?
[14:36] <gQuigs> If it is defunct, I'd like to clean up the wiki pages so people who want to contribute to firefox in ubuntu, can at least get some pointers on current process
[14:37] <gQuigs> the mailing list also has a bunch of items in the queue
[14:38] <gQuigs> specifically for mailing list, queue: ubuntu-mozillateam: 1130
[14:38] <gQuigs> ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs: 135
[14:38] <ubot2> bug 135 in Baz (deprecated) "Got a PANIC while merging with rocketfuel" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> gQuigs, yeah, it's pretty dead (and basically just me)
[19:31] <gQuigs> chrisccoulson: what can I do to help organizationally?   should the mailing lists be shutdown?
[19:32] <gQuigs> chrisccoulson: can/should I just delete wiki pages that don't seem relevant anymore?  (obviously excluding meeting notes, etc)
[19:35] <gQuigs> wiki wise, it seems likely that most of the extensions pages could just be deleted


[06:02] <ilblackdragon> Hi, I have a question about using juju on Amazon:
[06:03] <ilblackdragon> in case of deploying charm for MySql or PostgreSql - it will spin EC2 instance, won't it?
[06:06] <ilblackdragon> how is this comparing to RDS in speed\reliability? What about multi-zone deployment?


[08:11] <tbf> hi, someone remembering how remove the own name from the panel?
[08:12] <tbf> afair there was as setting to only show the icon (or even presence state?)
[08:12] <tbf> ah, no. that's even fast user switching
[08:32] <Saviq> morning, all
[08:37] <tsdgeos> morning
[10:43] <rye> erm, bug #930165 - may i ask anybody how such behavior can be "designed" - it is clearly broken when the user expects the mouse to move to another desktop seamlessly?
[10:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 930165 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity launcher push-to-reveal code continues working in always-show - makes multimonitor navigation harder" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930165
[11:06] <rye> ping JohnLea, may I inquire about bug #930165 which was "invalidated" by design?
[11:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 930165 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity launcher push-to-reveal code continues working in always-show - makes multimonitor navigation harder" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930165
[11:08] <JohnLea> rhy; that bug was invalidated by dx, not design (it was not marked as also affects ayatana-design so we have not looked at it).  But reviewing it now, one sec
[11:11] <JohnLea> rhy; there are multiple parts to this interaction.  The 'reveal edge' is disabled when the launcher is locked out, but 'Edge stop' is not only related to the launcher and should stay on in multi-monitor configs.  It is symmetrical (we also use it to make scrollbars easier to grab on the right side of the screen in multi-monitor setups), and most importantly it allows a window semi-maximise to be triggered on the joining edge between
[11:11] <JohnLea> two monitors.
[11:12] <rye> JohnLea, ah, so this is not launcher-related. Scrollbars access is a really valid concern, now I understand the idea, hm
[11:13] <JohnLea> rye; semi-maximise is the more important use case
[11:13] <JohnLea> rhy; but yes scrollbars as well
[11:14] <JohnLea> rhy; however with the launcher locked out it should be less 'sticky' because only the 'edge stop' is triggered
[11:15] <rye> hm, i wonder how to measure stickiness
[11:21] <rye> JohnLea, hm, when i stack the windows vertically, edge stop does not work at all
[11:21] <rye> JohnLea, i suppose this is a different bug then
[11:21] <JohnLea> rhy; you mean stack monitors vertically?
[11:22] <rye> JohnLea, yes, sorry, when the displays is stacked vertically I cannot maximize the window by dragging it to the top of a secondary display
[11:22] <JohnLea> rye; yes that's a bug, it would be much appreciated if you could report it and ping me the bug number.  thx!
[11:23] <rye> JohnLea, also, the mouse skips freely in vertical direction
[11:24] <JohnLea> rhy; yes that's a bug, the 'edge' stop should be triggered in all axis equally.  This is important to fix so that users can use the 'drag window to the top of the screen to maximise' gesture in vertically aligned multi-monitor configs
[11:29] <aquarius> JohnLea, I come to disagree with you a little about edge resistance on multiple monitors ;-)
[11:31] <JohnLea> aquarius; you are more than welcome to ;-)
[11:31] <rye> JohnLea, bug #931384
[11:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931384 in unity (Ubuntu) "Windows can't be maximized on the lower display in vertically-stacked configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931384
[11:32] <JohnLea> aquarius; but right now I am doing reviews with two developers who both have been up all night (and the weekend) coding to hit feature freeze, and they can't go to sleep until I have finished these reviews, so wait 30 min.  then I'm all yours ;-)
[11:33] <aquarius> JohnLea, I agree that edge resistance allows semi-maximising a window on the joining edge between two monitors, but that only applies *when I'm dragging a window*. When I'm not, it makes it way awkward to move the mouse between monitors :(
[11:40]  * aquarius happily waits 30 minutes for response :)
[12:07] <JohnLea> rye; thanks!
[12:07] <JohnLea> aquarius; are you using a trackpad or a mouse?
[12:08] <aquarius> JohnLea, trackpad
[12:09] <JohnLea> aquarius; when did you last update?
[12:09] <aquarius> few days ago
[12:10] <JohnLea> aquarius; try updating now, and then test again.  There are a bunch of known issues in that area, some of which are hopefully now fixed ;-)  Test again after update and then ping me
[12:12] <aquarius> will do
[12:26] <htorque> JohnLea: hi! can you maybe comment on my post in bug 865239?
[12:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 865239 in unity "Launcher - The background of the BFB, Workspace Switcher, Lens, and Trash launcher icons tiles need to use a higher saturation of the average background colour of the wallpaper" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865239
[12:39] <popey> mhr3: gord said I should ask you about this...
[12:39] <gord> i didn't say you should tell him i sent you =\
[12:39] <popey> lol
[12:39] <gord> mhr3, he's lying
[12:39] <popey> good job #ubuntu-uk is logged
[12:40]  * mhr3 goes to grab the logs
[12:40] <popey> I have a guest account I just made to test / demo stuff. i have put some files in Documents but when i do Super+F and search, I don't see them. Is there any way to force (zeitgeist?) to index them?
[12:40] <mhr3> gord! you evil puppet master!
[12:41] <mhr3> popey, yea, open nautilus, navigate to them and double click them, should do it
[12:43] <rye> hmmm, is that throbber which shows "loading" state in unity supposed to float up and down while circling
[12:43] <rye> ok, me is being too picky
[12:44] <popey> mhr3: ah, you have to open stuff to make it appear?
[12:44] <mhr3> popey, usually, yea, there are some nautilus patches that should log copying as well (not in ubuntu yet though)
[12:45] <popey> mhr3: so if i setup a new computer and sync U1 it's never going to find files until I start opening them?
[12:45] <mhr3> popey, iirc u1 does log stuff into zg so that should work
[12:45] <popey> cool, thanks.
[12:46] <mhr3> popey, feel free to open a bug it it doesn't though :)
[12:46] <popey> ok
[13:15] <AlanBell> anyone know where in dbus the global menu is (if it is there)
[13:16] <AlanBell> basically I want to see what the HUD sees
[13:39] <aquarius> AlanBell, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/dbusmenu/trunk.0.6/view/head:/libdbusmenu-glib/dbus-menu.xml suggests that there's an interface called com.canonical.dbusmenu, but I don't know which name on the bus provides objects that export that interface. ted gould is your man for that, although gord might know :)
[13:42] <gord> those are per app and really not for snooping on ;)
[13:43] <gord> AlanBell, do you want to see the menus or what hud presents?
[13:44] <gord> AlanBell, com.canonical.hud for what the hud presents, com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar for a links to menus
[13:53] <AlanBell> gord: I want to scoop up the stuff that HUD could potentially find, and make a jsgf grammar file from it and point pocketsphinx at it and see what happens
[13:55] <AlanBell> ah, and d-feet does case sensitive searching, which is why I couldn't find "menu"
[14:55] <greyback> didrocks: hey, could you please rebase this with trunk: lp:~didrocks/unity-2d/lock_launcher, I want to merge some test fixes in to it before approving it
[14:55] <didrocks> greyback: sure
[14:59] <didrocks> greyback: done
[14:59] <greyback> didrocks: thanks
[15:00] <didrocks> yw :)
[15:05] <sbte> htorque, I just found a supposedly huge amount of leaks in the network indicator
[15:05] <sbte> maybe that's what you're seeing
[15:05] <sbte> I'll fix them when I get home
[15:28] <greyback> didrocks: if you approve this please, then I can merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-2d/hide-mode-zero-test-fixes/+merge/92778
[15:28]  * didrocks reviews
[15:30] <didrocks> greyback: you are stil testing at some point intellihide, despite the fact it should be removed from the code?
[15:30] <didrocks> (I guess this is on purpose, just checking ;))
[15:32] <greyback> didrocks: some tests rely on intellihide, and will need complete rewriting. That MR just ensures those tests that need intellihide still get it, most others don't care.
[15:32] <didrocks> greyback: make sense :)
[15:43] <gang65_> Hi
[15:43] <gang65_> My name is Bartosz
[15:43] <gang65_> I'm implementing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/874254
[15:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 874254 in unity-2d "top bar, integrated menu - when a application is first launched, the integrated menu should be displayed for 2 seconds before fading out of view" [High,In progress]
[15:44] <didrocks> greyback: approved
[15:46] <gang65_> greyback: in launcherapplication.cpp there is onWindowAdded Qslot
[15:46] <gang65_> Do you think it is possible to detect new opened app with that signal?
[16:04] <greyback> didrocks: great, thanks
[16:04] <didrocks> thanks to you :)
[16:05] <gord> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/931409 - can you test with the staging compiz please?
[16:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931409 in unity (Ubuntu) "[regression trunk] raising a minimized window while desktop is focused is buggy" [High,Confirmed]
[16:05] <gord> i know the revision that causes that, but not sure if its a revision that works with new compiz and is just buggy with precice compiz or what
[16:09] <greyback> gang65_: possible, maybe, but I'd prefer a solution similar to Unity's approach. dbusmenu appears to offer enough information to determine if application is new. I'll investigate tomorrow, kinda busy today, sorry.
[16:10] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:10] <tsdgeos> any idea what went wrong here? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-dee-qt/8/console
[16:10] <gang65_> greyback: no hurry. I will investigate it futher
[16:11] <popey> didrocks: whilst running checkbox unity I discovered bug 931471 bug 931483 bug 931473 and bug 931499
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931471 in Compiz Core "Glitches / flicker when moving windows between workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931471
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931483 in Compiz Core "Launcher 'pips' don't update on multiple workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931483
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931473 in Compiz Core "Menus don't fully appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931473
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931499 in Compiz Core "Navigating up and down in files lens doesn't highlight "more results"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931499
[16:11] <popey> (may not all be compiz bugs of course)
[16:12] <didrocks> popey: the first one is the dup of the one I reported
[16:13] <didrocks> looking at the other once my chromium will be a little more kind
[16:13] <didrocks> bit*
[16:15] <didrocks> popey: interesting, for bug #931483, that would mean the test case isn't updated, can you check with sil2100? he knows where they are
[16:15] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931483 in Compiz Core "Launcher 'pips' don't update on multiple workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931483
[16:16] <didrocks> popey: bug #931473 is interesting, adding it to the tracked list as medium
[16:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931473 in Compiz Core "Menus don't fully appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931473
[16:16] <didrocks> and last one is clearly unity, I'm reassigning
[16:17] <didrocks> popey: thanks for the testing!
[16:17] <popey> np
[16:17] <om26er> didrocks, hey! the compiz in the ~unity-team ppa will that work with unity from trunk?
[16:18] <didrocks> om26er: you mean, with compiz?
[16:18] <didrocks> om26er: as the ~unity-team ppa is the unity from trunk
[16:18] <om26er> didrocks, we have the unity staging ppa and the compiz 0.9.7 in one ppa
[16:19] <om26er> will the both work together/
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: it's in didrocks/ppa right
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: I pushed compiz, it's currently building and I updated the unity packaging
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: so next merge against unity will build using the latest compiz
[16:20] <om26er> seems sam pushed one to unity-team/compiz-testng
[16:20] <didrocks> ah not myself then
[16:20] <didrocks> check with him, wondering if it's not lamalex's daily build though
[16:20] <om26er> didrocks, alright i'll wait for next compiz build
[16:20] <om26er> *unity build i meant
[16:21] <greyback> didrocks: I hate to keep annoying you, but Jenkins failing on a qt-dee build: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-dee-qt/8/console any ideas?
[16:23] <om26er> gord, i'll test that once there is a new build in the staging ppa against new compiz
[16:23] <didrocks> greyback: gvfs-backends if available though, did it just happened?
[16:24] <gord> om26er, is that today? have to make a decision on weather i'm reverting the revision or not
[16:24] <greyback> didrocks: yeah, just a little while ago
[16:24] <om26er> gord, compiz is uploaded to precise archive its just a matter of a new merge in staging ppa so it builds again
[16:24] <didrocks> greyback: let me try to apt-get install to see if it's a publisher hookups
[16:24] <gord> om26er, okay cool
[16:25] <didrocks> greyback: my bet is that they just promoted dbus-test-runner to main and moved gvfs-backends as well
[16:25] <didrocks> greyback: but this one wasn't published
[16:26] <greyback> didrocks: ok
[16:27] <didrocks> tedg: was there any change in dbus-test-runner?
[16:28] <tedg> didrocks, any change between when and when?
[16:29] <didrocks> tedg: not sure, we start to see it unstable because of gfvs-backcend
[16:29] <didrocks> are you aware about any main promotion?
[16:29] <didrocks> which can explain the transition
[16:30] <didrocks> hum, it was done a couple of weeks ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-test-runner/+bug/890428
[16:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 890428 in dbus-test-runner (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-test-runner" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:31] <tedg> didrocks, Yes, I'm familiar with that.  It was done for me :-)
[16:31] <didrocks> apt-cache show gvfs-backend
[16:31] <didrocks> -> can't find the package
[16:32] <didrocks> ah, there is an s
[16:33] <didrocks> that's weird, it's published and here
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: ok, seems it was a glitch in the publishers, I did it manually on the pbuilder and now it can catch it from the archives
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: please reapprove the dee-qt branch first for instance
[16:37] <greyback> didrocks: ok cool, thank you for digging
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: no worry, ping me back if something goes bad :)
[16:59] <mfisch> is there an API to add an entry to the launcher?  The LauncherAPI that I found seems to be for progress indicators
[17:03] <htorque> sbte: maybe - the nm-applet is part of the application indicators afaict
[17:04] <mfisch> I tried the gsettings key, but modifying it does not seem to have any affect on my launcher
[17:05] <didrocks> greyback: you should maybe wait before reapproving, the amd64 builders are slowly recovering
[17:05] <sbte> htorque, I was actually looking at the wrong log, so I was also looking for leaks in the wrong place ;P
[17:06] <htorque> there's no right place for a leak :P
[17:06] <greyback> didrocks: ah, ok
[17:06] <greyback> might be too late :)
[17:07] <didrocks> greyback: be ready for an insult from tarmac/jenkins/pbuilder :p
[17:07] <didrocks> sorry, but that's the issue on building on current archives when things are shacking :)
[17:19] <gord> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/928737 seems like a compiz bug not unity to me, can we retarget that?
[17:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 928737 in unity (Ubuntu) "show desktop makes windows reappear after launching a new program" [High,Triaged]
[17:20] <om26er> gord, its in Unity it seems, its Sam's code
[17:20] <om26er> gord, Sam is aware about it, actually tried to fix it but the fix didn't actually fix the issue
[17:21] <om26er> bug 881190
[17:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 881190 in unity (Ubuntu) "Quitting minimized applications in Unity causes all other minimized applications to pop up." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881190
[17:22] <om26er> I might be wrong though :p
[17:25] <greyback> didrocks: still there? https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-2d/lock_launcher/+activereviews is sitting there for +1 hour now
[17:28] <didrocks> greyback: FYI, Martin's team is supposed to do the maintainance right now on it
[17:28] <didrocks> ah, you wanted me to merge into that branch?
[17:28] <didrocks> sorry, didn't see it
[17:28] <didrocks> doing :)
[17:29] <didrocks> greyback: merged
[17:31] <greyback> didrocks: merci
[17:56] <gord> om26er, any news on the new compiz + that bug?
[17:59] <om26er> gord, no, it seems there have been no new commits to Unity trunk so no new Unity build as a result. I guess revert that change for now :/
[17:59] <gord> ugh, ok
[18:02] <didrocks> om26er: gord: I think racarr_ is approving a new branch right now
[18:02] <didrocks> so hopefully, it will get build soon (with the new compiz)
[18:02] <racarr_> yes hopefully it works thie time...
[18:15] <mhall119> Cimi: ping
[18:15] <Cimi> mhall119, pong
[18:16] <mhall119> Cimi: do you know the current state of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/743571 ?
[18:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 743571 in ayatana-scrollbar trunk "Some apps can't use overlay scrollbars" [Low,Triaged]
[18:16] <mhall119> I'm going through a bunch of apps and noting where they don't integrate with Unity fully, and some (gimp, openshot) use overlay scrollbars in some scroll areas, but not others
[18:16] <Cimi> mhall119, gimp don't use them
[18:16] <mhall119> I know of the problems with XUL and Java apps, but this seems to happen with GTK and QT(?) apps
[18:17] <mhall119> Cimi: on purpose?
[18:17] <Cimi> mhall119, yes iirc
[18:17] <mhall119> why is that?
[18:20] <Cimi> if I remember correctly
[18:23] <AlanBell> mhall119: looks like they wouldn't really work well in gimp because of the widgets that line up with the scrollbars on a content window, the zoom, navigate and quick mask widgets
[18:23] <AlanBell> would work well on the toolbox when that grows a scrollbar
[18:24] <mhall119> AlanBell: you mean the overlay would block widgets just outside the scroll viewport?
[18:24] <AlanBell> not quite, let me do a screenshot
[18:36] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/gimpwidgets.png
[18:36] <AlanBell> those bits
[18:37] <mhall119> oh, I understand now, gimp expects to have that scrollbar width area
[18:37] <AlanBell> yeah, they are going to look a bit odd if the scrollbar isn't there
[18:38] <AlanBell> I would think spreadsheet apps and others would have similar issues
[18:39] <bebehei> i am new in the irc and i do not want to hijack the thread, but can somebody answer me a question?
[18:40] <racarr_> we can try :)
[18:40] <mhall119> bebehei: only if you ask
[18:43] <mhall119> Cimi: AlanBell: for Firefox overlay scrollbars, is that something that needs to be done in ayatana-scrollbars, or in Firefox?
[18:43] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/847918
[18:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 847918 in ayatana-scrollbar "Support not native apps: LibreOffice / OpenOffice" [Low,Triaged]
[18:45] <bebehei> now listen: i use unity since 11.04 but in 11.10 i get sometimes orange circles in the unity-style, above the window, when i move it. i dont know what it is but i think these circles are very useful, but i dont know how to use. the following link will show you a screenshot. Can you give me some tips where to search about it? http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/3992927/ayatana-unity-ubuntu.png
[18:46] <mhall119> bebehei: sounds like the touch UI's drag/resize grips
[18:47] <sil2100> Hi
[18:48] <bebehei> thanks! i searched google and it gave me a similar screenshot
[18:48] <sil2100> Could anyone here help me out testing bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/864478 ?
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, firefox
[18:48] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 864478 in unity "Window shading is broken" [High,Fix released]
[18:48] <mhall119> Cimi: in the core code, or as an extension?
[18:48] <sil2100> The bug description says to modify '/apps/compiz-1/gwd/titlebar_action', but I cannot find that anywhere
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, core code
[18:48] <sil2100> It doesn't seem to be in my gconf settings
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, someone has to code it from scratch
[18:49] <mhall119> Cimi: is this something we'll have to carry a patch for, or can it co-exist with non-ayatana scrollbars in upstream?
[18:59] <bebehei> again about the touch UI: i use a laptop with touchpad. How is it possible to get the resize grips! Always when i got it i could snap, and then the resize grips were away! Is there any possibility to use them or is it impossible to use it on laptop?
[19:32] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: ping
[19:40] <AlanBell> mhall119: http://mikebeach.org/2011/05/20/disable-the-overlay-scrollbars-in-ubuntu-natty/
[19:45] <om26er> davidcalle, bug 931632 screenshot please :p
[19:45] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931632 in unity "Coverflow : portrait-shaped icons are cropped on top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931632
[19:45] <om26er> davidcalle, and hey :D
[19:45] <thumper> morning
[19:45] <thumper> hi om26er
[19:46] <om26er> hey thumper
[19:47] <om26er> thumper, just saw, isn't that too early to wake ?
[19:53] <mhall119> AlanBell: was there something specific you wanted me to see on that page?
[19:53] <bschaefer> hey thumper, do you want to review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-915828/+merge/88450
[19:53] <thumper> om26er: no, in NZ
[19:54] <thumper> bschaefer: looking
[19:54] <thumper> bschaefer: I have another question for you...
[19:54]  * thumper digs up link
[19:54] <bschaefer> thumper, yup!
[19:54] <AlanBell> mhall119: not really, just some previous "gimp+global menus" stuff that I found by accident
[19:57] <bschaefer> thumper, also good morning haha
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-896122/+merge/86848
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: this was approved but not merged
[19:58] <mhall119> AlanBell: global menus?  All I saw was about scrollbars
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: how does this relate to your other branch
[19:58] <thumper> ?
[19:58] <AlanBell> mhall119: let me just take my brain out and clean it a sec
[19:59]  * AlanBell goes to add more coffee to his bloodstream
[19:59] <bschaefer> thumper, o sorry should have put that as abandoned or delete it. That is for the old launcher code
[20:00] <bschaefer> thumper, as I didn't know it was missing that mp thing at the top and it never got into the launcher.cpp code
[20:00] <bschaefer> thumper, but now it is in LauncherController.cpp! So it is obsolete
[20:00] <mhall119> AlanBell: late for coffee over there isn't it?
[20:01] <thumper> bschaefer: ok...
[20:03] <AlanBell> a bit, 8PM, but I like it
[20:03] <bschaefer> thumper, I should have just updated that branch...but decided to push a new one
[20:04] <thumper> bschaefer: that's fine, I cleaned it up
[20:04] <bschaefer> thumper, thank you, I should have done that sorry!
[20:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: I'd not be able to sleep if I did that
[20:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you happen to know the status of ayatana-scrollbars on Chromium?
[20:10] <AlanBell> mhall119: right now in precise it doesn't have them
[20:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you know who, if anyone, was working on them last?
[20:11] <AlanBell> no idea, sorry
[20:12] <AlanBell> what should happen on an iframe or other scrollable bit of browser content?
[20:12] <mhall119> good question
[20:12] <mhall119> I bet cimi is the one to talk to again
[20:18] <AlanBell> that is going to be an interesting one, especially with websites that use css properties to customise their scrollbars
[20:20] <brunogirin> Hello, I upgraded to Precise over the week-end and installed the HUD as per instructions here: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/01/testing-hud-heads-up-display.html
[20:21] <brunogirin> but nothing happens when I press ALT in any app: any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[20:21] <om26er> brunogirin, you need to wait for next release of Unity I would say
[20:22] <AlanBell> which is still friday right?
[20:22] <om26er> not sure about that
[20:22] <om26er> you could use unity from staging ppa
[20:23] <brunogirin> om26er, AlanBell: fine, I'm happy to wait a few days, I just thought I had forgotten something obvious :-)
[20:55] <mhall119> what is this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/ubuntu-12-04-to-ditch-global-menu/
[21:01] <mhall119> Trevinho: ^^ ??
[21:08] <ahayzen> om26er: You said that the above 'Its optional' ...bug 931245... how will it be configurable could you expand?
[21:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931245 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931245
[21:08] <gotwig> hey
[21:08] <gotwig> you saw that new global menu mockup thing at omg ubuntu o.0??? Horrrrible ...
[21:08] <gotwig> LIM
[21:10] <om26er> ahayzen, it won't be enabled by default
[21:10] <om26er> ahayzen, you will go to control center and change it there
[21:10] <ahayzen> om26er: Thx
[21:10] <Trevinho> mhall119: something that hopefully we'll optionally see in precise
[21:11] <ahayzen> om26er: Is this something that will be expanded upon to become default in p+1?
[21:11] <om26er> Trevinho, show the screenshot in the channel would you
[21:12] <gotwig> Trevinho: about what are you talking :-)
[21:12] <om26er> ahayzen, no
[21:13] <ahayzen> om26er: Lol ok :)
[21:13] <gotwig> link please
[21:13] <om26er> ahayzen, ;-)
[21:13] <gotwig> link please :(
[21:13] <ahayzen> gotwig: To what?
[21:15] <gotwig> ahayzen: about your topic
[21:16] <ahayzen> gotwig: was talking about the bug (bug 931245) you commented on
[21:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931245 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931245
[21:18] <nhaines> So my question of the day is, when does HUD get activated in precise?  :)
[21:22] <thumper> nhaines: thursday :)
[21:22] <mfisch> mhall119: I was trying your community-lens per your blog post, but it's choking on "import locodir".  Can you point me at what package provides that?
[21:23] <mhall119> mfisch: are you trying it from the bzr branch?
[21:23] <mfisch> mhall119: yes
[21:23] <mhall119> there should be a locodir.py in the branch, you'll need that on your PYTHONPATH
[21:24] <mfisch> mhall119: I pulled it from there yesterday, fixed a couple things in the packaging and then installed it
[21:24] <mhall119> hmmm, the package should install locodir.py
[21:24] <mfisch> mhall119: lp:~mhall119/onehundredscopes/unity-community-lens does not have locodir.py
[21:25] <nhaines> thumper: yay!  Thanks.  :)  I saw some nice updates on Friday and by now I was getting anxious.  I'm really looking forward to it.
[21:26] <gotwig> is  there an extra channel for lens developmennt?
[21:26] <gotwig> "development"
[21:26] <mhall119> mfisch: ah, yes, community-lens doesn't actually need to import locodir anymore
[21:26] <mhall119> mfisch: locodir.py should in in unity-locoteams-scope now
[21:26] <gotwig> I would like to develop one, for searching cook recips :-) anyone interessted, in happy c00king , the 1337 stYle ? :D
[21:27] <mhall119> gotwig: this is the best channel to talk about  lens development
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: I also modified the control file a bit: gir1.2-unity-4.0 -> 5.0 and then unity-singlet -> python-unity-singlet
[21:27] <gotwig> mhall119: thanks for the info
[21:27] <gotwig> so do you things there are people interessted in thaat?
[21:27] <mhall119> mfisch: submit your changes to my package branch as a merge proposal and I'll make those changes
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: I just need a good example to start from, would you recommend locoteams instead?
[21:27] <gotwig> searching cook recips, in unity?
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: okay wrt control file
[21:28] <mhall119> gotwig: probably, the only way to find out is to make it
[21:28] <gotwig> mhall119: :-)
[21:28] <mhall119> mfisch: example for what?
[21:28] <gotwig> mhall119: its a shame, that I dont find a search engine or site, that has multilingual recips
[21:28] <nhaines> gotwig: ooh, will it read Gourmet files or will it be a Web search?
[21:29] <mfisch> mhall119: just as a starting point to learn the api.  seems like they're very similar so I'm guessing either is fine
[21:29] <mhall119> nhaines: you can make scopes for both :)
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: more a Web Search :-)
[21:29] <mhall119> mfisch: unity-locoteams-scope provide data to unity-community-lens
[21:29] <mhall119> they work together
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: but you would be able to filter, trough ratings, categories, etc.
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: the needed time
[21:30] <mfisch> mhall119: thx
[21:30] <nhaines> gotwig: well, do consider adding Gourmet support as well... it's the only recipe manager I know for Ubuntu.  Sounds like a nice lens, though!
[21:31] <gotwig> nhaines: yip, maybe I will integrate a configurator, like in the youtube lens
[21:31] <gotwig> I asked already a big site for recipe search for API acess
[21:32] <gotwig> too bad that I can't  cook ^^
[21:35] <nhaines> gotwig: hehe, I think it's just practice.  ^^
[21:36] <gotwig> nhaines: http://www.recipefy.com/
[21:36] <gotwig> seems to be a good base
[21:36] <gotwig> right? it seems to be multilingual, but 4000 recipes is not much
[21:37] <gotwig> *are and many :X
[21:37] <mhall119> gotwig: that's over 10 years of dinners
[21:37] <nhaines> gotwig: might be a good start... make it modular and others can add in plugins for other services.  :)
[21:38] <mhall119> nhaines: gotwig: Unity lenses are automatically modular
[21:38] <mhall119> anybody can add a scope to your lens
[21:38] <gotwig> mhall119: mh, yummi ;)
[21:38] <nhaines> mhall119: that simplifies things then!
[21:39] <gotwig> I have to do it trough python, right?
[21:39] <nhaines> I am very pleased at how fast the Unity Dash is in precise.  It's dismal in 11.10.
[21:39] <gotwig> nhaines: +1
[21:39] <gotwig> nhaines: I live 12.04, already use it on all my  (working) systems
[21:39] <gotwig> "love" xD
[21:40] <gotwig> too late for me, german boy.. :P
[21:40] <nhaines> gotwig: I have some significant trouble with Synergy on precise which means I can't use it very much.  And it won't run on my laptop at all... kernel panic during boot!
[21:40] <nhaines> But hopefully I can set aside some time and file some bugs.
[21:41] <gotwig> nhaines: bad luck ;P
[21:41] <gotwig> nhaines: finaly I dont have toshiba battery problems
[21:42] <gotwig> nhaines: I mean, it still consumes much, but I can finally see all statistics out of the box
[21:44] <mhall119> mfisch: thanks for the MP!  Approved and merged your changes
[21:44] <mfisch> mhall119: np.
[21:45] <mfisch> mhall119: can you clarify something from your blog?  1st para says singlet will work in oneiric, but you replied to a comment later that says precise-only?
[21:46] <mhall119> mfisch: good idea.  Singlet 0.1 works on Oneiric, but 0.2 onward is Precise only
[21:46] <mhall119> mfisch: is https://plus.google.com/u/0/109141308226450489079/ you?
[21:47] <mfisch> mhall119: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110837030248729640386 is me
[21:48] <mhall119> thanks
[21:48] <mhall119> If I tag the wrong person, he'd be all kinds of confused :)
[21:49] <mfisch> mhall119: yes he would
[21:50] <gotwig> mhall119: link?
[21:51] <gotwig> mfisch: are you german :D?
[21:51] <mfisch> gotwig: my great-great-great grandparents were when they moved to New York in the 1800s, so kinda?
[21:51] <gotwig> mfisch: Na dann ;)
[21:52] <mfisch> gotwig: I'm a typical American mutt, german hungarian, scottish, english, and ???
[21:52] <gotwig> mfisch: ???: undefinied
[21:52] <mfisch> gotwig: meaning, lost to history
[21:53] <gotwig> mfisch: and I thought the indianers are the real americans :P
[21:53] <mhall119> gotwig: link to what?
[21:53] <mfisch> gotwig: I'm not getting into that argument
[21:53] <gotwig> mhall119: about the merge
[21:53] <mfisch> gotwig: ;)
[21:53] <mhall119> gotwig: https://code.launchpad.net/~mfisch/onehundredscopes/unity-community-lens-fixes/+merge/92860
[21:54] <gotwig> mfisch: .... I'm just a german boy, that cant talk properly english, I'm sorrry for that :P
[21:54] <gotwig> mfisch: offtopic
[21:54] <gotwig> mhall119: thanks for that
[21:55] <gotwig> btw. what is with scope compatibility for unity 5.0
[21:58] <mhall119> gotwig: the API changed between Unity 4 (oneiric) and Unity 5 (precise)
[22:00] <gotwig> mhall119: I would like to see the google books lens again
[22:01] <nhaines> gotwig: dein Englisch ist mindestens tausendmal besser als mein Deutsch.  :)
[22:01] <mhall119> gotwig: that's davidcalle's, I'm not sure if it's been upgraded to Precise yet
[22:02] <nhaines> Hmm, I'll need to ping people about the Ubuntu console font again.
[22:02] <gotwig> mfisch: what does the community lens do?
[22:02] <mfisch> gotwig: you should read this: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/
[22:03] <gotwig> mhall119: you did the dictionary lens?
[22:03] <gotwig> mhall119: or scope, sry
[22:05] <gotwig> mfisch: singlet looks realy sexy to me :D
[22:11] <gotwig> too bad that you have to install singlet, and cant boundle it somehow into the app it self :/
[22:11] <gotwig> so, the user has to install 2 packages, if he hasnt already singlet installed
[22:17] <gotwig> no respons...?
[22:20] <nhaines> gotwig: just remember that then once you have singlet installed you never have to install it multiple times with other apps as well.
[22:20] <gotwig> nhaines: I know.. the thing with libraries
[22:21] <gotwig> nhaines: would be good to have it installed by default in unity, right?
[22:21] <gotwig> or  merge the functions of it into unity it self
[22:21] <nhaines> gotwig: donno, not if it can be used for other purposes outside of Unity, or isn't needed by any of the default Unity features.  :)
[22:22] <nhaines> Plus being separate also means that it can have bugfixes applied without having to download and reinstall all of Unity again.
[22:22] <gotwig> nhaines: when I never developed a scope or lens, and now I want to , should I use it :X ?
[22:23] <gotwig> I want to develop it for 12.04
[22:23] <gotwig> * in relation to  singlet
[22:23] <mhall119> gotwig: singlet is in the Universe repo, so it will be automatically downloaded and installed when it's needed
[22:23] <gotwig> mhall119: from 12.04?
[22:23] <mhall119> gotwig: yes
[22:24] <gotwig> mhall119: there are two packages
[22:24] <gotwig> mhall119: which one you mean, are they the same?
[22:24] <gotwig> python-unity-singlet, and unity-singlet
[22:24] <mhall119> gotwig: python-unity-singlet is the binary package you will install
[22:24] <mhall119> unity-singlet is the source package
[22:25] <gotwig> mhall119: ok :-) nice nice nice
[22:25] <gotwig> mhall119: I am more a script guy ;)
[22:25] <mhall119> gotwig: me too, when doing local development
[22:25] <mhall119> but packages make it easier for other people to use what I write
[22:27] <gotwig> hm that community lens from the ppa is not compatible with unity 5.0 (?)
[22:27] <gotwig> mhall119: I already packaged stuff ;)
[22:28] <gotwig> mhall119: for the elementary project
[22:28] <mhall119> gotwig: that's part of what mfisch fixed
[22:28] <mhall119> gotwig: the fix is building now, and should be available from the PPA in a few hours
[22:30] <gotwig> and the dictionary package
[22:30] <gotwig> depends on unity-singlet
[22:30] <gotwig> not on python-unity-singlet
[22:30] <gotwig> what breaks some things, too ..
[22:30] <gotwig> I think you already know it
[22:30] <mhall119> gotwig: yeah, the dictionary lens package needs to be updated too
[22:31] <mfisch> gotwig: yeah, installing the python-unity-singlet removed some of my older lenses
[22:31] <mhall119> mfisch: it did?
[22:31] <mfisch> mhall119: let me check the logs
[22:32] <mfisch> mhall119: yes.  Remove: unity-scope-calculator:amd64 (0.1), gir1.2-unity-4.0:amd64 (4.0.6-0ubuntu3), unity-scope-cities:amd64 (0.1), unity-lens-sshsearch:amd64 (0.1), unity-lens-utilities:amd64 (0.1)
[22:32] <mfisch> mhall119: now, I upgraded to precise 1-2 weeks back so they could have already been broken
[22:34] <mhall119> mfisch: oh, yeah, likely they were


[15:59] <jawn-smi1> o/
[15:59] <jawn-smi1> bah, why am I always jawn-smi1
[15:59] <bdrung> \o
[15:59] <ogayot> o/
[15:59] <ginggs> o/
[16:00] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:00] <jawn-smith> The status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-09-february-2023/33804
[16:00] <zhsj> o/
[16:00] <jawn-smith> Let's all take some time to read and ask questions
[16:00] <slyon> o/
[16:00] <schopin> o/
[16:02] <sil2100> o/
[16:02] <enr0n> adrien: Can you elaborate on what "side effects" you are seeing with systemctl show/status WRT bug 2006589?
[16:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2006589 in anacron (Ubuntu) "Anacron service and timer disabled after upgrading from 2.3-33" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006589
[16:05] <adrien> enr0n: it's really weird, basically I would systemctl enable anacron.service and when using systemctl status anacron.service in my postrm script, I would get a "disabled"
[16:05] <adrien> buuut if I systemctl status anacron.service before the postrm (don't know what the latest point was), I would always get "enabled" and I would also get "enabled" from the postrm
[16:07] <adrien> it definitely makes no sense to me
[16:07] <bdmurray> I haven't posted my status but as you might imagine its all autopkgtest infrastructure related
[16:08] <enr0n> adrien: hm okay, I'm having a hard time parsing this right now. Is there a simple reproducer or test case you can show? (We can discuss it more later though)
[16:09] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:09] <jawn-smith>  #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:09] <jawn-smith> bug 2003331
[16:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2003331 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Can't log in to lunar x11 session" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2003331
[16:10] <adrien> enr0n: well, the anacron patch should reproduce that issue but I haven't try on another machine that mine so I can't tell if it's not a local issue; I'll try to have a look; back to meeting for now
[16:10] <jawn-smith> We've agreed in past meetings that this is a desktop team issue
[16:10] <jawn-smith> So moving on
[16:10] <jawn-smith> bug 2004092
[16:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004092 in systemd (Ubuntu) "casper fails to add any users because GID 999 is already taken" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004092
[16:12] <jawn-smith> enr0n: sounds like you're going to investigate this?
[16:12] <jawn-smith> Sounds like enr0n will look into the systemd side of this and dbungert will look into the casper side
[16:13] <dbungert> I can support that
[16:13] <enr0n> jawn-smith: Yeah, the summary is that in either case, casper needs a change so that it does not pick a UID/GID. But I need to look into systemd-sysusers behavior, because it does not allow changing UID boundaries at run time.
[16:14] <jawn-smith> So we've updated the tags to foundations-todo and assigned the bug
[16:14] <jawn-smith> bug 2002871
[16:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2002871 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "Failed pkgbinarymangler tests with python3.11" [Low, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002871
[16:15] <jawn-smith> waveform:
[16:16] <waveform> nothing to report on this yet
[16:16] <waveform> hopefully will get to it next week
[16:16] <jawn-smith> Okay, I'll leave it with you then
[16:16] <jawn-smith> That's it for ll
[16:16] <jawn-smith> kk is empty again \o/
[16:16] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <jawn-smith> bug 1063589
[16:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1063589 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.debian.apt timed out" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063589
[16:17] <bdmurray> See comment #8
[16:18] <jawn-smith> bdrung: you usually work on apport right?
[16:18] <bdrung> yes
[16:18] <jawn-smith> Do you have the bandwidth to investigate this?
[16:19] <bdrung> currently no. apport is not related to it.
[16:19] <jawn-smith> Oh it's update manager
[16:20] <jawn-smith> Who usually works on that? enr0n or bdmurray ?
[16:20] <bdmurray> The traceback is really with aptdaemon and dbus
[16:20] <jawn-smith> Should the affected packages be changed in the bug then?
[16:21] <bdmurray> Let me do a little more research into this but priority wise I think it'll not end up on foundations-todo
[16:21] <jawn-smith> Sounds good, thanks Brian
[16:21] <jawn-smith> Moving on then
[16:21] <jawn-smith> bug 1999345
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1999345 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "please add luks2 module to the signed grub2 images" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999345
[16:22] <jawn-smith> Last we discussed this it was with the security team
[16:23] <jawn-smith> doesn't look like there are any updates to the bug so it appears there's nothing for us to do
[16:23] <jawn-smith> #topic proposed-migration
[16:23] <jawn-smith> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:23] <jawn-smith> libarchive is with me
[16:23] <jawn-smith> I have some ideas but need to wait for queues to go down
[16:24] <jawn-smith> llvm-toolchain-14 is with doko
[16:24] <jawn-smith> adrien is working on the MIR for licensecheck
[16:24] <jawn-smith> slyon: Are you still working fuse3 and ostree?
[16:25] <slyon> jawn-smith: yes.. I got stuck
[16:25] <slyon> i created a update-excuse bug if somebody experienced with FUSE wants to have a look
[16:25] <jawn-smith> Anyone experienced with FUSE?
[16:26] <schopin> ginggs: didn't you do the fuse3 migration?
[16:27] <ginggs> i did, but that was more a pestering people job
[16:27] <ginggs> i can take a look though
[16:27] <schopin> I think you're supposed to say "coordinating an archive-wide effort" these days.
[16:27] <jawn-smith> waveform: still working on sbuild right?
[16:27] <waveform> yup
[16:27] <jawn-smith> hooray
[16:28] <jawn-smith> ginggs: you were working on setuptools last time
[16:28] <liushuyu> I am also open to take some proposed migrations
[16:28] <jawn-smith> It still has one regression
[16:28] <ginggs> jenkins-job-builder is fixed, just waiting on autopkgtests
[16:28] <jawn-smith> hooray
[16:28] <jawn-smith> curl has some regressions
[16:28] <jawn-smith> That we didn't assign last week
[16:29] <jawn-smith> Any volunteers?
[16:29] <ginggs> does it?
[16:29] <jawn-smith> oh right those are just waiting
[16:29] <ginggs> aren't those just waiting?
[16:29] <jawn-smith> Reading comprehension skills, yeah
[16:29] <jawn-smith> lsb-release-minimal has some regressions
[16:29] <jawn-smith> waveform: you synced this right?
[16:30] <waveform> yup
[16:30] <jawn-smith> Okay, but it sounds like your plate is already pretty full
[16:30] <jawn-smith> So any volunteers for lsb-release-minimal?
[16:30] <bdrung> i want to take update-manager (this one is related to PEP440)
[16:30] <waveform> oh, I can probably take it anyway
[16:30] <waveform> (I doubt there's much to it)
[16:30] <jawn-smith> Okay sounds great, thanks
[16:31] <jawn-smith> any volunteers for libselinux?
[16:32] <zhsj> i can take it
[16:32] <jawn-smith> Awesome, thanks
[16:32] <adrien> I'm on +1 next week, does that count?
[16:33] <jawn-smith> software-properties is FTBFS
[16:33] <jawn-smith> sounds like perhaps an enr0n task?
[16:33] <bdmurray> Its just python
[16:33] <enr0n> Yeah I will take that
[16:33] <jawn-smith> Thanks
[16:33] <adrien> I can take xz
[16:34] <jawn-smith> I'm working on the icu issues because I did the merge
[16:35] <jawn-smith> So let's talk about glibc
[16:35] <schopin> For glibc, I'll take most of it.
[16:35] <schopin> But I'd like some help for some.
[16:35] <schopin> e.g. libite
[16:35] <jawn-smith> slyon: libite?
[16:35] <slyon> ack
[16:36] <schopin> ipset
[16:36] <jawn-smith> liushuyu: ipset?
[16:36] <zhsj> schopin: i'll see go packages in glibc regression, like delve, mtail
[16:36] <schopin> notcurses
[16:36] <liushuyu> jawn-smith: Okay, I can take ipset
[16:36] <dbungert> schopin: I'm interested in notcurses
[16:37] <schopin> xypron: python-cryptography
[16:37] <xypron> ok
[16:37] <schopin> ogayot: xdp-tools ?
[16:37] <ogayot> ack
[16:38] <schopin> That's it for now, more will probably come when the queues empty up :)
[16:39] <schopin> zhsj: delve and mtail work locally so are probably either victims of the high load of the runners or the fact that the runners seem to use the 6.1 kernel?
[16:39] <jawn-smith> danilogondolfo: Do you want to start hcipping away at the libgd2 regressions?
[16:40] <jawn-smith> lots of "unknown" versions which should just need restarts
[16:40] <danilogondolfo> ack
[16:40] <zhsj> schopin: maybe. (i don't believe glibc can cause go packages regression)
[16:40] <jawn-smith> vpa1977: vim
[16:40] <schopin> zhsj: yeah that was my thought as well.
[16:42] <jawn-smith> juliank: pyicu
[16:42] <jawn-smith> schopin: xfsprogs
[16:42] <schopin> ack
[16:42] <jawn-smith> Sounds like everyone has one now
[16:43] <jawn-smith> at least one
[16:43] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[16:43] <zhsj> devscripts seems need a lot of mir
[16:43] <zhsj> oh, not "a lot"
[16:43] <slyon> zhsj: yes. I'm on that
[16:44] <slyon> trying to drop some of the deps first
[16:44] <slyon> and will bring it up to this meeting it it turns out to need real MIRs
[16:46] <zhsj> i want to remove consul. bug #2006724 thoughts?
[16:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2006724 in consul (Ubuntu) "Remove consul from lunar" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006724
[16:48] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:48:01 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-02-09-16.00.moin.txt
[16:48] <jawn-smith> oh sorry zhsj I didn't see your message
[16:48] <jawn-smith> We'll need an AA to review the bug
[16:48] <jawn-smith> Looks like you already subscribed that team
[16:49] <jawn-smith> sil2100: do you have time to look at this?
[16:49] <zhsj> yes, let's wait more time for AA to review
[16:50] <jawn-smith> v_orlon may be able to review next week
[16:50] <jawn-smith> Okay endmeeting for real now
[16:51] <sil2100> I'll try getting to it but uh, might be hard


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[11:37] <tomas_> mpeg2 is the one typically used for dvds and digital tv transmission
[11:37] <Slart> anabelle: most weird..  you saw the link I pasted? I get much more info
[11:37] <babo> what's text messaging called in the USA ?
[11:37] <Slart> anabelle: you're running ubuntu 6.10? 6.06?
[11:38] <babo> what's text messaging called in canada ?
[11:38] <l90bpm> eternaljoy, are you registered?
[11:38] <eternaljoy> l90bpm: regtysreed>
[11:38] <anabelle> 6.10
[11:38] <eternaljoy> billy: you screwed me over dude :(
[11:38] <l90bpm> I have a lil guide that might help you
[11:38] <anabelle> yes, i saw it... weird
[11:39] <billy> eternaljoy: just relax.  `gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base`
[11:39] <tjl30> Does anyone here use SmartRipper, DVDSrink, or DVD Decrypter ?
[11:39] <eternaljoy> billy: I told you i was worried doing that as it may make sound totally stop working!  and you said NO WAY, it wont do that
[11:39] <eternaljoy> billy: ok im terying to be relaxed :P
[11:39] <eternaljoy> billy: ok loaded. now?
[11:39] <l90bpm> tjl30.. variations
[11:39] <billy> eternaljoy:  you're going to add a line to that file.
[11:40] <eternaljoy> billy: want me to copy ans pastebin the whole file?
[11:40] <eternaljoy> billy: ok whuch line?
[11:40] <rowland> Hello, does anyone know if album art can be changed in Exaile.(I've tried at #exaile but they're all asleep!)
[11:40] <max1> when using vnc to log in to a remote windows client, how can I make sure nobody can follow my actions at hte remote site?
[11:40] <rhys> how would i get my wireless card to work?
[11:40] <Swany> hello i'm wondering if anyone has some time to help me... i had the 64bit version of desktop installed then updated to the latest build via the update program and now i my pc wont boot and am getting the busybox v1.1.3 error /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[11:41] <IndyGunFreak> !wireless | rhys
[11:41] <ubotu> rhys: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:41] <billy> eternaljoy:  we're going to try a couple of different flavours, which will take a couple of reboots to see if we've gotten the right one.  it'll take a couple of steps, so please be patient.
[11:41] <stepanstas> hey guys
[11:41] <stepanstas> quick question
[11:41] <rhys> ok thanks
[11:41] <eternaljoy> billy: im trying, ok
[11:41] <stepanstas> does anyone here use Opera?
[11:41] <eternaljoy> billy: what next then?
[11:41] <billy> eternaljoy: add this line `options snd-hda-intel model=3stack`.
[11:41] <Slart> anabelle: hmm.. it kind of looks like readcd only works with scsi drives.. my usb connected dvd reader is treated as a scsi drive by linux.. that might be it
[11:41] <eternaljoy> billy: that file is loaded: gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[11:42] <eternaljoy> billy: ad it anywhwre?
[11:42] <billy> the bottom.l
[11:42] <anabelle> mine isn't scsi ?
[11:42] <GionnyBoss> stepanstas: I don't use Opera, but if you ask directly your problem you will have more chances to get an answer :P
[11:42] <eternaljoy> billy: ok done. reboot now?
[11:42] <t4dyce> video card failing, how do I disable xwindows and install a new card
[11:42] <Slart> anabelle: nope.. /dev/hdX is a IDE drive
[11:42] <billy> eternaljoy: save the file and reboot.
[11:42] <eternaljoy> billy: ok brb
[11:42] <anabelle> mmmm so i can't check it?
[11:42] <Slart> anabelle: scsi drives are /dev/scdX and similar
[11:43] <Slart> anabelle: not with readcd
[11:43] <Jowi> max1, it's up to the server.
[11:43] <stepanstas> okay,  i want my Opera to play shockwave stuff (ex. YouTube) but the shockwave player is only for firefox and ie, etc, what  can i do?
[11:43] <anabelle> but with.... lol
[11:43] <Andromalius> I'm having problems with the 3d enabled ATI driver.  I installed it using apt-get, disabled Composite, disabled AIGLX.  fglrxinfo says XFree86-DRI is missing, and the vendor is Mesa instead of ATI.  Any ideas?
[11:43] <Askar> Hmm...I have connected my PC to the TV..it worked but its a black rand at the right side of the tv like the picture of the computer has been moved to the left...Is there a way I can compensate for this by moving the computerpicture slightly to the right..?
[11:43] <anabelle> im scared that when im rebooting i get corrupted files
[11:44] <rhys> how do i know what my wireless card is? its a motorola.
[11:44] <IndyGunFreak> anabelle: why would you be scared of that?..
[11:44] <Slart> anabelle: perhaps there is some other way... I'll read some more.. brb
[11:44] <l90bpm> had that same problem.. fixed it w/ nvidia display manager
[11:44] <JN_Coward> When installing stuff via apt-get I get asked for the install CD, which is bad because the computer doesn't have a CD drive, is there a way around this?
[11:44] <anabelle> because it has happened before (rebooting= reinstalling everything) sorry about my poor english.
[11:44] <IndyGunFreak> JN_Coward: do you have repositories enabled?
[11:45] <eternaljoy> billy: no sound :(
[11:45] <lillrazor> anyone that have installed openssl on their system that can help me install it?
[11:45] <eternaljoy> billy: what now?
[11:45] <JN_Coward> IndyGunFreak I have universe
[11:45] <erpo> The clock in my gnome panel shows the correct time, but when I click on it, it shows my evolution appointments an hour late. For example, if I useThe clock in my gnome panel shows the correct time, but when I click on it, it shows my evolution appointments an hour late. For example, if I use evolution to enter an appointment for 1PM, my gnome panel clock lists an appointment at 2PM. And, if I go to the calendar section in evolution, it shows the time as one hour
[11:45] <blanky> hey guys if I write some.txt to /tmp, can I access it later? like 2 minutes later
[11:45] <IndyGunFreak> i don't know why it would look on the CD, and not in the repos
[11:45] <max1> Jowi: what do you mean, the vnc server?
[11:45] <billy> eternaljoy: we're going to try different flavours.  `gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base`
[11:45] <blanky> nevermind
[11:45] <Jowi> max1, yes.
[11:45] <rhys> how do i know what wireless card i have?
[11:45] <IndyGunFreak> JN_Coward: hav eyou tried using synaptic
[11:46] <max1> Jowi: do you know which settings I should look for?
[11:46] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: open a termina, type lspci
[11:46] <eternaljoy> billy: ok delete the loine we added before?
[11:46] <JN_Coward> IndyGunFreak I don't have X, only command-line
[11:46] <billy> eternaljoy: no.  simply replace "3stack" with "m2-2".
[11:46] <IndyGunFreak> JN_Coward: roger, my bad
[11:46] <l90bpm> took a I don't think he has the proper codecs..
[11:46] <Jowi> max1, for the vnc server running on a windows machine...? no. check the manual for the vncserver that you're using.
[11:46] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, it has a bunch of stuff.
[11:46] <Slart> anabelle: if you run "sudo readcd -scanbus".. what does it tell you?
[11:46] <l90bpm> oops..  (didn't backspace far enough)
[11:47] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: thats all the devices on your PCI buss, look for your wireless device
[11:47] <eternaljoy> billy: ok rebooting
[11:47] <eternaljoy> brb
[11:47] <billy> k
[11:47] <anabelle> readcd: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:47] <rhys> ok. its Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN
[11:48] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: well, there's your answer.. :)
[11:48] <Slart> anabelle: huh? without the sudo then..
[11:48] <Slart> anabelle: I just get errors without the sudo.. but we seem to be running very different computers
[11:49] <rafi_se7en> bonjour
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <eternaljoy> billy: no sound :(
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <eternaljoy> billy: what now?
[11:49] <anabelle> Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second.
[11:49] <Slart> anabelle: yup.. that's the same
[11:49] <anabelle> readcd: Permission denied. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:49] <puff> I just plugged in three LaCie drives, USB drive enclosures containing 250GB western digital drives.
[11:49] <Tom_Kun> hey.. question.. how do I install the ms core fonts? installing core fonts using the normal apt-get fails..
[11:49] <erUSUL> !paste > anabelle
[11:49] <billy> eternaljoy:  again, we're going to try a different flavour.  `gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base`
[11:49] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, thank you.
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: no prob
[11:49] <Tom_Kun> it isn't in the sources
[11:49] <eternaljoy> billy: now?
[11:50] <billy> eternaljoy: replace the m2-2 with 5stack.
[11:50] <puff> And it mounted two of them as LACIE and LACIE-1, but only as read-only.  Didn't mount the third, and
[11:50] <eternaljoy> billy: 5stack. ?  with . on end?
[11:50] <Andromalius> Can someone help me with installing the ATI driver?  X keeps loading the Mesa driver instead
[11:50] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, i dont mean to be a bastard, this was just something to prove the argument that we had at the gaming and computer store im at.
[11:50] <billy> eternaljoy: no.  no .
[11:50] <kbrooks> hi
[11:50] <crimsun> eternaljoy: did you pastebin your ``lspci -vvn'' anywhere?
[11:50] <Askar> Hmm...I have connected my PC to the TV..it worked but its a black rand at the right side of the tv like the picture of the computer has been moved to the left...Is there a way I can compensate for this by moving the computerpicture slightly to the right..?
[11:50] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: what do you mean?
[11:50] <JN_Coward> IndyGunFreak, fixed it, there was a CDROM listed in sources.list, I commented it out and it worked
[11:50] <rhys> on the usability of ubuntu.
[11:51] <billy> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11398/
[11:51] <eternaljoy> !pastebin
[11:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:51] <IndyGunFreak> JN_Coward: i thought that, but wasn't 100% sure
[11:51] <rhys> if ubuntu can compete with microsoft with joeshmo.
[11:51] <crimsun> billy: that's -v. I need -vvn.
[11:51] <crimsun> billy: actually that's not even -v.
[11:51] <eternaljoy> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11405/
[11:52] <megafauna> HI, apt-get can't connect to the internet? Any suggestions?
[11:52] <crimsun> eternaljoy: and /proc/asound/card0/codec* , too
[11:52] <cheeseboy> hey how do idisable shift+backcase restartin x?
[11:52] <eternaljoy> crimsun: My sound was working, but at times I needed to reboot Edgy 2-3 times to get it working.  But then I followed those steps billy gave, and no I have no sound no matter how many times I reboot :(  and now my volume control on taskbar jumps up and down like crazy when I try to slide it.  Any ideas pls?
[11:52] <l90bpm> Askar, what about when you coose "Clone" settings?
[11:52] <eternaljoy> crimsun: ok just a sec
[11:52] <puff> Anybody have any suggestions on this USB drive?
[11:52] <eternaljoy> crimsun: with the , on the end?
[11:52] <erpo> megafauna: Can you browse the web from the same machine that's having the apt-get problem?
[11:53] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, this is the only computer store in a small town. And without external help, ubuntu wont work for 90% of users.
[11:53] <crimsun> eternaljoy: no, hence the whitespace between '*' and ','
[11:53] <eternaljoy> crimsun: bash: /proc/asound/card0/codec#0: Permission denied
[11:53] <roland_> hey i just experienced some really weird kernel/init/fsck/killing processes failures and things after i rebooted my kubuntu
[11:53] <megafauna> erpo: yes, I am online now:)
[11:53] <roland_> 6.1
[11:53] <cheeseboy>  hey how do idisable shift+backcase restartin x?
[11:53] <mikeconcepts2> Is there an automated beryl install for nvidia on edgy?
[11:53] <crimsun> eternaljoy: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[11:53] <megafauna> erpo: I am connected through a wireless router
[11:53] <roland_> fsck died
[11:53] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: oh i see, well, thats hogwash
[11:53] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, why?
[11:53] <cheeseboy>  hey how do idisable shift+backcase restartin x?
[11:54] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: anyone willing to read, just like any learning experience, can learn linux
[11:54] <eternaljoy> crimsun: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* does too many lines so I cant copy it all! how can I stop it every page?
[11:54] <eilker> i am trying to open http://www.godaddy.com  , firefox brings to me , some advertisements sites , and i cant view http://www.godaddy.com, i deleted all private data from firefox too , it is same in opera too.  which file may be corrupted ??
[11:54] <crimsun> eternaljoy: |more
[11:54] <erpo> mikeconcepts2: Yes. Add the lines  deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable and deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:54] <roland_> anyone wanna know about linux catatsrophes ?
[11:54] <roland_> kernel /init failing
[11:55] <roland_> fsck dying
[11:55] <mikeconcepts2> erpo, and the rest?
[11:55] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, Exactly. i agree. 90% of people WILL NOT LEARN. the guy who owns the computer store im in right now wrote this, so ill give you a link. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/NewUserTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=profilinguser-ubuntu-ohio.odp
[11:55] <erpo> megafauna: Exactly what happens when you try to use apt-get?
[11:56] <erpo> mikeconcepts2: apt-get install beryl beryl-manager
[11:56] <rhys> will everyone interest in getting their friends to use ubuntu, to please read this link. its an openoffice  presentation. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/NewUserTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=profilinguser-ubuntu-ohio.odp
[11:56] <erpo> mikeconcepts2: Then run beryl-manager once you've logged in.
[11:56] <eternaljoy> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11406/
[11:56] <eternaljoy> crimsun: ty for trying to help me
[11:56] <kbrooks> rhys, y do i want 2
[11:56] <megafauna> erpo: It just times out. I am thinking that perhaps a port is closed but i can't think how it was closed / am looking to find out how to open it again (ports 21 & 22) if I am correct
[11:57] <erpo> megafauna: apt-get uses http
[11:57] <mikeconcepts2> erpo, the website indicated really having to jump thru hoops to install the beta nvidia driver http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia#Installing_the_nVIDIA_Driver
[11:57] <erpo> megafauna: Unless you've changed it, that is.
[11:57] <linuxspecial> lol
[11:57] <rhys> why do you want to read that? because ubuntu has plenty of geeks and no marketing majors. as a community, ubuntu has no clue in hell how to get ubuntu on the desktop of 60% of america.
[11:57] <erpo> mikeconcepts2: Yeah. Someone packaged it.
[11:57] <rhys> save for getting dell or hp to preinstall it
[11:57] <megafauna> erpo: I had disabled and reenabled my connection
[11:57] <cheeseboy>  hey how do idisable shift+backcase restartin x?
[11:57] <megafauna> erpo: *wireless connection
[11:58] <megafauna> erpo: could this be the solution? http://www.mepis.org/node/10306
[11:58] <mikeconcepts2> erpo, that's really great, but have not found the easier way to do the nvidia driver, do you know where it is?
[11:58] <puff> Anybody have any suggestions about what to do about this laCie drive not mounting?
[11:58] <rhys> IndyGunFreak, i have no trouble with the wireless guide you sent me too. its fully written, very thorough. i wrote the wiki entry for zenwalk on broadcom drivers...its very simple. to anyone i know who i do work for with windows, they couldnt do it, and thus wouldnt use ubuntu. end of story.
[11:58] <puff> I'm not seeing anything in dmesg or /etc/mtab when I plug it in.
[11:59] <eternaljoy> crimsun: it gave a lot of output didnt it?
[11:59] <mikeconcepts2> erpo, perhaps emvy?
[11:59] <puff> Hm, I'l try it in a different USB jack.
[11:59] <erpo> mikeconcepts2: I pasted the lines you need to add to your /etc/apt/sources.list file earlier.
[11:59] <erpo> megafauna: I don't know.
[11:59] <Slart> puff: hmm. I have a lacie dvd drive.. is yours a hard drive?
[11:59] <IndyGunFreak> rhys: bottom line is, especially with a distro that has great community support like Ubuntu, finding answers to problems is usually a google search away
[11:59] <megafauna> erpo: ok.