[05:25] <daftykins> windows 7 will no longer be allowed to be sold on PCs as of October 31st 2016
[05:27] <mapps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszTYz_YznE
[05:28] <mapps> :
[05:28] <mapps> D
[05:28] <mapps> there's eng subs also
[06:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:25] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:26] <mapps> hey knightwise
[07:27] <knightwise> hey mapps, how are you :)
[07:27] <mapps> not bad pal
[07:28] <mapps> got internet again finally!
[07:28] <mapps> had it for a week then it died;9
[07:34] <knightwise> you fell off the broadband planet ?
[07:36] <mapps> yea:P
[07:37] <mapps> now im back in the game
[07:37] <mapps> my tv uses my internet.i get sky/uk chans/beIN:D
[07:41] <mapps> like Sergei Lahov said " if it looks like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist , if it soeaks like a terorist -- it's a terrosit"
[08:50] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:52] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:07] <mapps> so many spies
[09:07] <mapps> people ask of my facebook and twitter
[09:08] <mapps> but its wothless to most - i speak russian on facebook and twitter is 50/50
[09:09] <mapps> no use for them at all:D
[09:12] <ali1234> I'm going to buy a USB 3.1 card. should I buy one with type A ports or type C ports?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> well nothing uses type c yet, but you may need it in the future
[09:15] <ali1234> but i can just use an adapter right?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[09:15] <ali1234> by the time type C stuff is common i will probably have a new computer with type C ports
[09:17] <SuperMatt> I remember that it took an age just for usb to take off, so give it about 5 years, and then you'll need something with a type c connector
[09:17] <SuperMatt> (please bear in mind that I could be very very wrong)
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:29] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[09:33]  * zmoylan-pi remembers all the usb ports on 486 systems for years before win95b staggered along and started using them... ;-)
[09:36] <ali1234> USB 1.0...
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> of course by then i had a super cheap pc so i needed to find a pci card to add usb ports to my amd k6-2 system...
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> but when my boss spent a fortune on a 128mb usb drive it became the most used bit of hardware in the office overnight
[09:41] <davmor2> and this is the monstrosity of a song stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM
[09:41] <SuperMatt> 128M? I couldn't even fit my po^H^H photos on there
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> even if i had to install drivers for every pc in the office to use it from a zip drive/cd
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> last week i picked up a 64gb for €25
[09:42] <davmor2> SuperMatt: You have photos of pooh, what about tigger and piglet?
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> impulse purchase at newsagents...
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> don't be silly, he's not interested in silly antics of tigger and piglet
[09:51] <SuperMatt> you don't know me!
[09:53]  * zmoylan-pi would have put you down as an eeyore fan... :-)
[09:55] <SuperMatt> is it because I'm so depressed?
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> who doesn't like a good donkey?
[09:59] <SuperMatt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oholah_and_Oholibah
[10:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: I present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s
[10:21] <davmor2> the worlds worst sandwich I doubt even popey would eat one
[10:23] <JamesTait> Vegemite!
[10:24] <popey> Ooh! Good idea. Marmite for breakfast
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> beetroot sandwiches ::spits::
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: Vegemite is like Marmite evil twin
[10:25] <popey> meh
[10:25] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/132464560327/sneaking-a-bottle-of-water-into-the-datacenter
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: it's even worse when you don't like Marmite trust me
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:27] <JamesTait> davmor2, how can yo not like Marmite? 😝
[10:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: Well it starts with having tastebuds
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> choosing not to eat something that was designed to use up the waste from another industrial process...
[10:31] <JamesTait> So, you don't like crunchy bites either?
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> if i want crunchy i'll chuck a few rashers on my sandwich like god didn't intend :-)
[10:33] <MooDoo> :)
[10:37] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: if god didn't intend it he wouldn't of made pigs from bacon ;)
[10:37] <foobarry> marmite is just matured earwax
[10:40] <mapps> i need someone to block betfair
[10:40] <mapps> make me a script i can install
[10:40]  * mapps is an addict
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> add it to block list on your router?
[10:41] <mapps> but i can bypas it
[10:41] <mapps> i know i have a problem that why i ask
[10:42] <mapps> i wont be posting on instagram or facebuuk
[10:42] <mapps> im struggling
[10:43] <MooDoo> you're technical, no matter what we suggest, you'll know how to bypass it
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:43] <mapps> true
[10:43] <mapps> what ca i do
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> gamblers anonymous?
[10:44] <mapps> never
[10:45] <mapps> im a loser sure - i just need some help
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> isn't it better to talk with people who have dealt with the same problem?
[10:45] <mapps> basically
[10:46] <mapps> hsbc an barclays told me i cant get anymore credit
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> there are councillors who could help 1 on 1 but more expensive
[10:46] <mapps> and ive been gambling it all away
[10:46] <davmor2> mapps: you just need a script that plays this every time you go to the site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE
[10:47] <mapps> i owe 27.5k to mbna
[10:47] <mapps> and 15k to hsbc
[10:47] <mapps> every month
[10:48] <mapps> i hope for a good month..and lose it all
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> you know this to be true, that gambling got you into this hole and it is not going to get you out
[10:48] <mapps> i had £1900 on chelea to get me out of thi
[10:48] <mapps> and it didnt
[10:48] <MooDoo> Citizens advice bureua, that's all I can advise really
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:49] <davmor2> mapps: serious you need to get help
[10:49] <mapps> i know
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> they are there to help.  looking for help here is a sign you want to change but you need to talk to people who can offer more than ideas and moral support
[10:49] <mapps> i cant cope much more with repayments
[10:50] <davmor2> mapps: no you don't need to shrug it off with I know, you need to go get help!
[10:50] <mapps> i have to pay about 2500 a month on debts
[10:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <mapps> hey bigcalm
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> i was paying about €500 a month around 2000, could barely make those payment. took a few years to dig myself out of debt
[10:51] <bigcalm> o/
[10:51] <mapps> yea i can pay just
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> you just have to try and add a few extra bob every 2nd month and after a few months you'll see the monthly payments start to decrease till every month you have a little more.  of course you have to stop the outgoings
[10:53] <mapps> im not a stupid guy -- it just  went all wrong
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> people who are addicts are not fools, they're just vulnerable to bad ideas they know are bad
[10:55] <mapps> but i have them all?
[10:55] <mapps> i smoke..i drin..i gamble
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> “The mind commands the body and is instantly obeyed. The mind commands itself and meets resistance.”
[10:56] <mapps> i need uni again
[10:57] <mapps> at uni i was less bad
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> you need to go and live on an island were there's no drink, tobacco or gambling.  but that's not an option.  you have to be that island
[10:57] <mapps> yea
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> the only one who can stop you is you
[10:58] <mapps> agreed
[10:58] <foobarry> and also accept that ulmtimately you lose with galmbling
[10:58]  * bashrc wonders if he accidentally subscribed to #philosophy
[10:58] <foobarry> cut losses and run away
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> but always remember callahans law, 'shared pain lessens, shared joy increases, thus we refute entropy'
[10:59] <foobarry> my local screen session is laggy :(
[10:59] <mapps> irritating mbna gave me a limit of £25k what happened
[10:59] <mapps> i blew most of it
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> be happy they didn't give you a bigger limit
[10:59] <mapps> i used to be so happy before
[10:59] <foobarry> do gamblers ever quit by themselves?
[11:00] <foobarry> most need external help i expect
[11:00] <mapps> its this damn gamblin
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> probably, but they would be the rareity
[11:01] <mapps> im lucky
[11:01] <mapps> ina way
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> not at the moment you're not
[11:01] <mapps> my dad transferred my rent money
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> dependng on luck is a sure way to failure as it will run out
[11:01] <mapps> to his account
[11:02] <mapps> because again
[11:02] <mapps> my rents £1200
[11:02] <mapps> i just manage t
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> can you find somewhere cheaper to live?
[11:02]  * mapps slaps NET||abu- around a bit with a large trout
[11:02] <mapps> sorry]
[11:02] <mapps> in spain yea
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> even if you switched to e-cigs rather than smoking it would save a bundle
[11:03] <mapps> but i dont want to
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> yes you do, you complained about it earlier
[11:03] <mapps> i have a drink problem too though
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> you might see it as the lesser of drinking and gambling but you still mentioned it
[11:03] <Laney> is it possible to buy radiator valves (or something) which Nest can use to only heat the room I'm in?
[11:03] <mapps> so i wanna be close to work]
[11:03] <Laney> irritating heating the whole house when I'm only in one room all day
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> i just wear heavier jumpers laney :-)
[11:04] <mapps> it all went downhilll 12 years ago
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> and only you can turn it around mapps
[11:05] <mapps> i have no excuse now its me
[11:05] <mapps> yea
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> but you CAN get better
[11:05] <ali1234> hey laney
[11:05] <ali1234> were your lights flickering this morning?
[11:06] <Laney> hi ali1234
[11:06] <Laney> creepy question...
[11:06] <mapps> unlikely innit:)
[11:06] <Laney> don't think so
[11:06] <mapps> il bloody sort this out and then drop dead zmoylan-pi
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> mapps: only unlikely if you do nothing
[11:06] <ali1234> mine were. about 7:30 to 8:00
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> maybe but then you won't owe a penny to nobody mapps and that feels wonderful, trust me on that
[11:07] <ali1234> must just be the substation
[11:07] <ali1234> or my fuse box
[11:08] <mapps> i hope so zmoylan-p
[11:08] <mapps> but
[11:08]  * zmoylan-pi remembers going to post office to pay last credit bill last bit of dosh i owed... :-)
[11:08] <mapps> it wont hapen for m
[11:08] <mapps> m
[11:08] <davmor2> ali1234: pfff Laney is still in bed coding now you don't think he is up at that ungodly hour do you ;)
[11:08] <mapps> me damn
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> it can and will if you set your mind to it mapps
[11:08] <mapps> never ill sadly
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> only if you refuse to let yourself from helping yourself mapps
[11:09] <mapps> ive been here 14 months noones come to see me
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> contact gamblers anonymous, what's the worst that could happen?
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> an hour or two away from temptation?
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> well loneliness is the cause of many problems
[11:10] <mapps> i just have no friends or family sadly
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> try ga, you might make friends there
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> friends who are in the same boat you are
[11:12] <mapps> i try and do my spanish learning
[11:13] <mapps> but i get bored:(
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> get out, meet people, the more time you are out of the house the less time you have to go online and gamble
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> 1) today find were the gambling addict resources near you are, 2) tomorrow is about working up the courage to go.  but today concentrate on (1)
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> little steps
[11:15] <mapps> i agree
[11:15] <mapps> i assume its little little in gib
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> military base nearby, i'd suspect not
[11:17] <mapps> man i suck..my spanish is bad.my russians bad...all i do is hold a job down
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> that's a start
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> now build on it
[11:17] <mapps> :D
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> of course the first castle might fall over and catch fire in the swamp but keep going :-)
[11:18] <mapps> lol
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> right time for me to head to library to try and get distraction free zone to learn python... o/
[11:22] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: Oh that's easy, it's hiss, hiss, hiss, hiiiiissssss, hiss, hiss, hissssssssssssss
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> i thought that was asp for 'bite you where?!'
[12:24] <Gary> Hey, how is everyone!
[12:29] <mapps> hi friend
[12:30] <Gary> how have things been in #ubuntu-uk land?
[12:42] <mapps> not bad
[12:42] <mapps> :D
[12:43] <MooDoo> :)
[13:00] <foobarry> does firefox not restore previous session by default any more?
[13:06] <foobarry> ah, foudn it
[13:25] <diddledan_> morning
[13:28] <MooDoo> morning
[13:29] <Azelphur> omg...I just found an amazing button on my new monitors
[13:29] <Azelphur> they support 4xPBP 2k...I could emulate 16 2k monitors o.O
[13:30] <popey> blimey
[13:31] <Azelphur> I think the 2k is downscaled to 1080 though, so it's a little pixelated
[13:31] <Azelphur> but yea, if I had a mountain of GPUs and used DP + 3x HDMI, I could have 16 "monitors"
[13:31] <Azelphur> this would kick ass with a synergy setup and multiple machines though
[13:32] <diddledan_> isn't 1920x1080 2k anyway?
[13:32] <Azelphur> diddledan_: people generally refer to 1440p as 2k, but yea I can see your point
[14:31] <Azelphur> Hmm, I am running backups on my machine, I have the program doing the backups set to nice -n 19 ionice -c3, yet the whole machine continually goes really slow, like 15+ seconds to load a terminal sometimes. Load average is like >9, any ideas?
[14:42] <daftykins> i spotted a £150 IPS HannsG 2560x1440 today for someone, could be neat if they read their email... :>
[14:43] <daftykins> oh 27" too
[14:51] <lopta> Azelphur: What are you using to backup your machine? What software and backup medium?
[14:51] <Azelphur> lopta: attic
[14:52] <Azelphur> and a local server
[14:53] <lopta> Azelphur: Over gigabit Ethernet?
[14:53] <Azelphur> 100
[14:53] <daftykins> eww
[14:53] <lopta> I'm not familiar with Attic.
[14:53] <daftykins> Azelphur: nice 8 port gigabit switch on amazon black friday for £14 today :P
[14:53] <daftykins> Netgear one
[14:54] <Azelphur> daftykins: black friday? wat that's not till later this month
[14:54] <daftykins> actually it's weeks long now
[14:54] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AWM7PKO
[14:56] <Azelphur> daftykins: stuck it on my purse wishlist, I get it for £7 :P
[14:56] <daftykins> ^_^ what on earth is a purse wishlist o0
[14:56] <Azelphur> daftykins: basically I set up a wishlist on Amazon, I list it on purse and say "I'll pay you X BTC if you buy this stuff for me"
[14:57] <Azelphur> X BTC is generally between 50-80% of the value of the items
[14:57] <daftykins> oh ok
[14:57] <daftykins> you and your funny money ;D
[14:57] <Azelphur> :)
[14:57] <Azelphur> my funny money is going nuts atm
[14:58] <daftykins> again?
[14:58] <daftykins> what's especially funny about me saying that is normally it's Guernsey bank notes getting laughed at
[14:58] <Azelphur> yup, gone up almost $100 in the past few days
[14:58] <daftykins> is that a standard original or some kind of sub-named variant once more?
[14:59] <Azelphur> wat
[14:59] <daftykins> all the *coin names they spun off
[15:00] <Azelphur> you mean is purse an altcoin? no it's a service that uses Bitcoin
[15:00] <Azelphur> I don't really buy into the whole altcoin thing
[15:01] <daftykins> nah the current value gaining coin type you're referring to
[15:02] <Azelphur> nope, that's plain old Bitcoin
[15:02] <daftykins> ah ok :>
[15:02] <Azelphur> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg10ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 it's a good day to be holding Bitcoin :P
[15:21] <awilkins> Wowzer
[15:21] <awilkins> I was going to buy some last week
[15:24] <ali1234> did it break 400 yet?
[15:24] <foobarry> sell now!
[15:26] <ali1234> i already sold today
[15:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: my boss is getting screwed by this it's kinda funny, he didn't pay me on time yet still owes me BTC @ $254
[15:28] <Azelphur> last time I calculated it was like $1300 this is gonna cost him
[15:30] <daftykins> :D
[15:35] <foobarry> what job do u do Azelphur
[15:35] <Azelphur> foobarry: I'm a developer
[16:40] <diddledan_> people are moaning about linus again: http://news.softpedia.com/news/linus-torvalds-attacks-the-work-of-kernel-developer-with-hash-language-again-495636.shtml
[16:41] <bigcalm> Is he turning into RMS? Required but ignored
[16:42] <jpds> diddledan_: People clearly don't know enough about writing good code
[16:43] <daftykins> i see folk wanting to follow the UOS from the comfort of their fine FOSS distro are coming up against requiring the flash player?
[16:43] <daftykins> is the irony there wasted on anyone? :D
[16:45] <bashrc> I think that's the problem of all dictatorships. Once a project gets big I think who is doing the maintaining should be subject to vote
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> he produces code AND administers a huge important software project.  he comes from a culture were they use all the words
[16:45] <bashrc> by his own admission, I don't think linus writes kernel code anymore
[16:46] <daftykins> yeah i read he doesn't write
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> if he's personally reviewing the code patches submitted then he is producing code as he judges it
[16:47] <bashrc> reviewing patches != writing code
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> it is to my mind
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> he is adding something
[16:48] <bashrc> he's acting as an editor
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> it's like the -2000 lines of code... http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt&sub=HN0
[16:49] <bashrc> as a developer and reviewer myself I can say it's much easier to criticise code in review than to write it
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> true but i still would let him have his rant if he wishes
[16:50] <bashrc> submitting even a one line patch can sometimes take a lot of research
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> some of the hardest edits i have done to code has resulted in 1 day = 1 line of code
[16:56] <daftykins> ugh a client wants to drive 2 x 2560x1440 res screens from a laptop and wants me to find one with a budget of £300-400
[16:56] <daftykins> what a joke!
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> some fresnel a4 sized lens stuck to a chromebook... :-)
[17:02] <daftykins> he's honestly dreaming
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> or inserting the earbuds too deep... :-)
[17:14] <popey> I know someone who used to use a fresnel lens while playing flight sims
[17:18] <mapp> sheesh
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> they used to sell them in 60s to make your tv bigger
[17:18] <mapp> this traslating is tough
[17:30] <daftykins> well well, displayport multistream hubs seem to be the trick - http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-DisplayPort-Multi-Stream-Transport/dp/B00XXPYGPO/
[17:34] <diddledan_> o_O
[17:35] <daftykins> beats buying displays with the two sockets built in
[17:36] <daftykins> Azelphur: you haven't got an 'xrandr' kicking around for your new toys have you? :)
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> that pesky word unlimited strikes again... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/microsoft-drops-unlimited-onedrive-storage-after-people-use-it-for-unlimited-storage/
[17:49] <diddledan_> aye
[17:49] <diddledan_> I saw that a little while ago
[17:49] <diddledan_> they've also made apple icloud a cheaper option for storage on windows than microsoft's own offering
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> every time that happens they should administer beatings to the marketing department to make it not happen again... :-P
[17:53] <diddledan_> oldie to newbie: "don't ever end up like fred".. newbie: "why what happened to fred?" oldie: "he used the word 'unlimited'. he was seen going into the ceo's office and he never came out..."
[18:23] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13093671/
[18:25] <daftykins> ty sir
[19:17] <diddledan_> I wonder what OS apple use in their datacentres?
[19:18] <diddledan_> would be silly to use OS X because that's not a server OS and windows is made by a rival so they'd not want to use that and linux is not OS X so they won't want to use that
[19:19] <diddledan_> maybe they'll use the bsd userland on top of mach but not the full os x
[19:19] <diddledan_> i.e. no gfx
[19:19] <diddledan_> no desktop etc.
[19:28] <daftykins> a mate who works for them in London told me most of their gear used to be run from mac minis =|
[19:28] <daftykins> cringe++
[19:29] <marshmn> hi all; I just upgraded from 15.04 -> 15.10, but it's no longer booting into graphical environment :(
[19:29] <diddledan_> daftykins: http://www.macminicolo.net/
[19:29] <daftykins> marshmn: tried appending 'nomodeset' to kernel boot params?
[19:29] <daftykins> your drivers might have been killed
[19:29] <daftykins> (if you need any)
[19:29] <marshmn> original install was ubuntugnome
[19:29] <marshmn> daftykins: ok, will try
[19:29] <marshmn> machine is Dell XPS 15 laptop
[19:32] <marshmn> is the correct way to append that to hit 'e' at the grub menu?
[19:32] <marshmn> and then add it to the bottom of the list in the editor it gives me?
[19:32] <marshmn> then hit F10?
[19:32] <diddledan_> if you do that you need to find the right line
[19:33] <diddledan_> it'll start with "linux"
[19:33] <marshmn> is there an easier way?
[19:34] <daftykins> nope
[19:34] <daftykins> it's a manual edit.
[19:34] <daftykins> ah yeah that sounds like the one with the nvidia graphics
[19:35] <marshmn> it has Nvidia and IntelHD
[19:35] <marshmn> TBH, I thought I was only using the intel chipset
[19:35] <daftykins> yeah optimus machine
[19:35] <marshmn> so, add 'nomodeset' to the end of the linux line after hitting e?
[19:35] <marshmn> and then just hit F10?
[19:37] <daftykins> where it says 'quiet splash' , add it before or after
[19:37] <daftykins> yep F10 or ctrl+x i think
[19:38] <marshmn> ok, so I've done that - now I just get a blank screen
[19:38] <marshmn> I get the ubuntu logo with animated dots first
[19:39] <marshmn> then after a few seconds blank screen
[19:39] <marshmn> before adding that, it was dumping me out to console mode with messages
[19:39] <marshmn> but now just blank screen
[19:39] <diddledan_> some may remember I moaned about a wonky 24inch monitor - turns out that some of the capacitors in the power supply were bulging so it may be just a case of replacing those to fix it - Dad's ordered some so we'll see.
[19:41] <marshmn> if I take that back out, so that I can get back to the messages it gives on the console, it gets as far as "[OK] Reached target Basic System."
[19:41] <marshmn> then the next line looks garbled:
[19:41] <daftykins> marshmn: so you got a working TTY?
[19:41] <daftykins> diddledan_: :D i like those fixes
[19:42] <marshmn> "[OK] Started LSB: Tool to automatically collect and submit kernel crash signatures....ut down.....
[19:42] <daftykins> my brother stubbornly ignored my advice on checking ebay for even a full straight up PSU swap
[19:42] <marshmn> daftykins: I can get to a working TTY with Ctrl+F1
[19:42] <marshmn> well, F2
[19:42] <daftykins> ah ok, log in and do a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[19:42] <daftykins> see if any are installed at all
[19:43] <marshmn> yes, there are a few things for that
[19:43] <marshmn> such as nvidia-346
[19:43] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[19:43] <daftykins> then reboot
[19:43] <daftykins> oh
[19:43] <daftykins> check there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf before reboot too
[19:46] <marshmn> there is xorg.conf.0
[19:46] <marshmn> should I leave that or remove?
[19:46] <daftykins> nah that one is ok
[19:47] <daftykins> as long as /etc/X11/xorg.conf itself doesn't exist, that should be set - so reboot now
[19:47] <marshmn> ok, rebooting
[19:47] <marshmn> hard to work in console mode on a 4k screen :/
[19:47] <marshmn> still same on reboot
[19:48] <marshmn> same console output as I wrote above
[19:48] <marshmn> oh, no, actually
[19:48] <marshmn> it seemed to get beyond target "System Initialization"
[19:48] <marshmn> is that before or after "Basic System"?
[19:49] <marshmn> last message before garbled line is now "[OK] Listening on CUPS Scheduler"
[19:51] <daftykins> hmm
[19:51] <daftykins> and nothing from all ctrl+alt+Fx combos? F1 through F12 that is
[19:52] <marshmn> I see normal TTY login prompts on F1 through to F6
[19:52] <marshmn> on F7 I just see the console output
[19:52] <marshmn> nothing else
[19:53] <daftykins> does that thing have wired LAN?
[19:53] <diddledan_> Xorg.log?
[19:53] <daftykins> or a USB adapter capable of
[19:53] <daftykins> yeah Xorg log or lightdm troubleshooting would be next i'd think
[19:54] <daftykins> if you can get it online i'd "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[19:54] <marshmn> I have a USB network adapter if need be
[19:55] <daftykins> yeah that should work
[19:56] <marshmn> actually, wifi still appears to work
[19:56] <marshmn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13094447/
[19:57] <daftykins> weird, assuming that log is dated with a sensible timestamp to be right now, that seems to have come up just fine
[19:58] <marshmn> how can I tell whether I'm using gdm or lightdm?
[19:58] <marshmn> and is it worth me trying the other, whichever it is?
[20:00] <daftykins> hmm i forget the file that suggests it, no idea what gnome uses
[20:01] <daftykins> you could check for running services and see which one is up
[20:01] <marshmn> gdm is running
[20:01] <marshmn> lightdm is not
[20:01] <daftykins> probably depends now how much time you want to put in, could keep digging into logs or just nuke it with a clean 15.10 and restore your /home from backup if it's not on a separate partition
[20:01] <marshmn> is that likely to work?
[20:02] <daftykins> if a 15.10 live session works yeah, it's probably just the upgrade that's gone nuts
[20:02] <marshmn> :/
[20:02] <daftykins> might not hurt to ensure it fully completed with a "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[20:02] <marshmn> I guess I'll have to download that and try it
[20:02] <marshmn> how can I try lightdm?
[20:02] <marshmn> (just in case)
[20:02] <daftykins> i don't think that'd be a worthy approach
[20:02] <marshmn> ok
[20:03] <daftykins> now nouveau is back in use instead of nvidia proprietary, nomodeset might be of more use again too
[20:03] <marshmn> so maybe try that again? ok
[20:04] <marshmn> nope, no dice
[20:04] <marshmn> just blank screen with that again
[20:05] <marshmn> I didn't really want to have to start from scratch since I'd gotten everything set up nicely how I want it :/
[20:05] <marshmn> but if that's what I have to do then I guess I have no choice
[20:05] <diddledan_> most of the config will be in your home folder so if you retain that you should only have to reinstall any extra applications
[20:05] <daftykins> ^
[20:06] <daftykins> it could be a 15.10 kernel + optimus quirk
[20:06] <daftykins> my experience level definitely isn't high enough to troubleshoot properly
[20:06]  * daftykins pats Windows and ducks
[20:06] <diddledan_> windows ftw?
[20:07] <daftykins> well, i think all OSs suck equally still :D
[20:07] <marshmn> I didn't really care too much about getting 15.10 - I only upgraded because it prompted me to :/
[20:07] <marshmn> wish I'd not bothered...
[20:08] <marshmn> now I've just made myself a world of pain
[20:09] <daftykins> i shall avoid speaking of backups so i don't get a sharp jab to the side :>
[20:09] <marshmn> I have backups, that's not an issue
[20:09] <marshmn> but still, I now need to download 15.10 image
[20:09]  * diddledan_ pokes daftykins with a pokey thing
[20:09] <diddledan_> pokey poke poke
[20:09] <marshmn> next issue is that I don't have a USB stick to hand to put it on
[20:10] <marshmn> so it might be 24 hours before I get it all sorted
[20:10] <daftykins> yeah if i were upgrading and had the time i'd probably clonezilla disk image a machine prior :)
[20:10] <daftykins> then it'd just be a case of throwing it back on and it'd be like travelling back in time
[20:12] <marshmn> thanks for your help anyway
[20:14] <daftykins> np :)
[20:15] <marshmn> I'll just sulk & play some Go for now and deal with it later :)
[20:37] <marshmn> daftykins: switching to lightdm seems to have fixed it :)
[20:37] <daftykins> bit weird o0
[20:37] <daftykins> you may want the nvidia driver back on ultimately too
[20:38] <marshmn> yea
[20:39] <daftykins> nvidia-352 being the newest in 15.10 repos
[20:39] <daftykins> i think
[20:44] <foobarry> xubuntu users based in EU: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3r9f52/looking_for_xubuntu_users_for_academic_research/
[20:44] <foobarry> get paid to xubuntu/xfce
[20:44] <ali1234> sidi is a cool guy
[20:45] <ali1234> but you have to use chromium
[20:48] <foobarry> know anyone who might be interested?
[20:48] <foobarry> can't remember the xfce users in here
[20:48] <ali1234> only me
[20:48] <ali1234> but... i don't want to use chromium
[20:49] <awilkins> There's a -355 version of the nvidia driver in a PPA
[20:50] <foobarry> marshmn had the black screen lightdm problem?
[20:51] <foobarry> i had that today and fixed it, but might be different scenario
[20:51] <marshmn> I had an issue when using gdm - on upgrade to 15.10 with gdm it was failing to switch into graphical mode
[20:51] <marshmn> switching from gdm to lightdm seems to have resolved that
[20:53] <foobarry> ah ok. there were lots of words, didn't read them all
[20:54] <foobarry> doing a market research survey that asks about interesting tech startups - anyone think of any new small ones?
[20:55] <ali1234> there's so many that i can't think of one
[21:03] <foobarry> :)
[21:15] <daftykins> just murdered my first mince pie of the season :D
[21:22] <diddledan_> :-o
[21:22] <diddledan_> far too early!
[21:22] <diddledan_> next thing you'll be eating xmas pud
[21:27]  * daftykins drops a spoon
[21:27]  * diddledan_ spoons
[23:02] <ali1234> wow, a patch i sent to AOSP got pulled after 2 years :)
[23:02] <ali1234> i totally forgot about it


[05:01] <ali_> dostan salm
[05:11] <mahdi> any body know how can I contact with managers of this site? I had try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but no answer
[05:14] <mrphs> is there no contact info on the website?
[05:15] <mrphs> seems like their preferred way of contacting them is using the forum => forum.ubuntu.ir
[05:15] <mahdi> yes, but I want a private way


[00:05] <Unit193> New plan: Just include gottcode's games in Xubuntu!
[00:07] <bluesabre> :)
[00:08] <Unit193> He's got more than I expected, and several are in Debian.
[00:08] <bluesabre> pretty cool, I'll check them out
[05:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do you need menulibre sponsored too? :>
[06:32] <guiverc> Mininimum specs for Xubuntu are 512mb ram, 5gb disk, 800x600 graphics on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements I just noted, surely that's prehistorically out-of-date?
[06:37] <guiverc> I just realized the time, I'll probably change ^ for Lubuntu; I can do same for Xubuntu if I know what you'd need.. :)
[08:32] <Spass[m]> well, if you won't run Firefox I guess 512 MB RAM is OK-ish as minimal to run the system :) Xubuntu has its own page for requirements also - https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[09:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh, looks like I never uploaded menulibre :'D
[09:30] <Unit193> :D
[09:32] <Unit193> Unless you catch mapreri, offer stands.
[10:12] <guiverc> thanks Spass[m], it now has 7.5GB disk, cpu with PAE & "Please refer to https://xubuntu.org/requirements/ for recommendation resources or more details"
[16:59] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: ristretto 0.10.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-ristretto-0-10-0-released-tp55129.html (by Igor Zakharov)
[17:28] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/0.10.0-0ubuntu1


[08:41] <Wellark> hi guys!
[08:42] <Wellark> how do I bring up the launcher on unity8 with my mouse?
[08:42] <Wellark> or do any other edge swipes for that matter?
[08:45] <Saviq> Wellark, just like you would with your finger
[08:45] <Saviq> Wellark, click near the edge, drag, release
[08:50] <Wellark> Saviq: well, that does not work for me for some reason
[08:51] <Wellark> Saviq: maybe the launcher treshold to detect swipe is too low..
[08:51] <Wellark> I can switch between lenses just fine
[08:52] <Wellark> hmm.. I can't unlock the greeter either
[08:52] <Wellark> nor bring down the indicators
[08:52] <Wellark> so edge swiping is problematic
[08:53] <Cimi> Saviq, ping
[08:53] <Cimi> Saviq, the issue with the info graphics being coloured in purple is because we're using a png for it :)
[08:54] <Cimi> Saviq, nic-doffay do you think that using a shader to recolour the circle on the info graphics might be a good solution?
[08:56] <Saviq> Cimi, I told you it was a shortcut by nic-doffay ;)
[08:57] <Saviq> Wellark, hmm it works fine here
[08:57] <Saviq> Wellark, you just need to make sure your drag is somewhat horizontal
[08:57] <Saviq> Wellark, try with GRID_UNIT_PX=12 ./run
[08:58] <Saviq> Wellark, it's going to be bigger == more "forgiving"
[08:58] <Wellark> Saviq: nice, will try!
[08:58] <Wellark> Saviq: what is the default?
[08:59] <Saviq> Wellark, 8, IIRC
[08:59] <Wellark> Saviq: btw, I'm running directly from QtC..
[08:59] <Wellark> will that break it?
[08:59] <Saviq> Wellark, shouldn't matter
[08:59] <Wellark> I just noticed there are some run scripts
[08:59] <Saviq> Wellark, ./run isn't doing much these days
[08:59] <Wellark> ok.
[08:59] <Saviq> Wellark, but see ./run -f
[09:00] <Saviq> erm
[09:00] <Saviq> -h
[09:00] <Saviq> for it helps with some things, but the default run should just work
[09:00] <Saviq> Wellark, actually...
[09:01] <Saviq> Wellark, if you're runing from QtC
[09:01] <Saviq> Wellark, you need -mousetouch
[09:01] <Saviq> Wellark, so that mouse input is converted to touch
[09:01] <Wellark> Saviq: yeah, that I was going to ask
[09:01] <Cimi> nic-doffay, could you do the blending? :)
[09:01] <Wellark> nex
[09:01] <Wellark> t
[09:01] <Wellark> as mousetouch looks somewhat relevant :)
[09:01] <Wellark> Saviq: so maybe that was my problem all along :)
[09:01] <Saviq> Wellark, yeah probably
[09:02] <Wellark> Saviq: could you not just default that to "on" ?
[09:02] <Wellark> what harm could there be?
[09:02] <Saviq> Wellark, we don't want to enable it on device
[09:02] <Wellark> ok
[09:03] <Saviq> Wellark, but you're right, we should be better at that (like try and see if there's any touch device and enable conversion then)
[09:03] <Saviq> (if there isn't, that is)
[09:04] <Wellark> Saviq: btw, now I can "swipe" \o/
[09:04] <Wellark> thanks! :)
[09:04] <Saviq> Wellark, cheers
[09:04] <Wellark> it was that mousetouch
[09:48] <nic-doffay> Cimi, whoa missed all that for some reason.
[09:48] <nic-doffay> What would the colour be based off?
[09:49] <Cimi> nic-doffay, I think a darker blend of the wallpaper
[09:50] <nic-doffay> Cimi, could do. When Jouni's back from his holiday next week I'll go in and have a sit down with him.
[09:52] <mhr3> sil2100, grrrrrr https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity/fix-ap-preview-tests/+merge/175123/comments/392974
[09:54] <Cimi> dednick, ping
[09:55] <dednick> Cimi: pong
[09:55] <Cimi> dednick, dude, was wondering how you were doing with palette and indicators, are you doing this? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.colour_palette/+merge/174678
[09:55] <sil2100> mhr3: eh, re-approving!
[09:55] <Cimi> if so, I won't add it to my branh
[09:55] <Cimi> ch
[09:58] <dednick> Cimi: havent done anything on it.
[09:58] <Cimi> dednick, but you will?
[09:59] <Cimi> or I can add it to my banch
[09:59] <dednick> Cimi: what are you adding?
[09:59] <dednick> indicator palette?
[09:59] <Cimi> yes
[09:59] <dednick> Cimi: go ahead. my branch won't be in for awhile
[09:59] <Cimi> ok
[10:19] <Wellark> mhr3: how did the hud fix turn out?
[10:19] <Wellark> mhr3: were you able to get the dbus logs even though there were some other problems with the tests?
[10:20] <mhr3> Wellark, it did fix hud spamming, didn't fix the whole ap testing
[10:20] <Wellark> mhr3: well, it was only suppose to fix the hud spamming :)
[10:20] <Wellark> mhr3: any other hud related regression that absolutely needs fixing?
[10:20] <mhr3> Wellark, in total the number of msgs dropped to about 1/4
[10:21] <mhr3> Wellark, nope, hud seems ok now
[10:21] <Wellark> sweet :)
[10:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.colour_palette/+merge/174678 please?
[10:21] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yep
[10:24] <Saviq> paulliu, can you do https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/fix_calendar_launcher_icon/+merge/175134 please?
[10:25] <Saviq> dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicators-client-textual-app/+merge/175143/comments/393005
[10:26] <dednick> Saviq: ta
[10:29] <Saviq> dednick, btw, could you please cook up a branch to remove Overview?
[10:30] <Saviq> ah!
[10:30] <dednick> Saviq: just done. going though to clean up before MP.
[10:30] <Saviq> dednick, ah, cool
[10:31] <Saviq> dednick, tap+drag between Messages and SEARCH seems to do it
[10:31] <Saviq> *sometimes*
[10:32] <Saviq> or maybe just a drag between them when the indicators have been unloaded
[10:37] <Cimi> dednick, did
[10:38] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.colour_palette/+merge/174678
[10:40] <paulliu> Saviq: ok
[10:44] <Saviq> nic-doffay, Cimi you clashed
[10:44] <Cimi> Saviq, don't have much more on the plate for unity theming now
[10:44] <Saviq> nic-doffay, Cimi pushed after you've approved
[10:44] <Saviq> Cimi, and there's a conflict
[10:44] <Cimi> i'll fix it
[10:52] <Saviq> nic-doffay, did you actually check that every place that got changed still looks like it did prior to the theming changes?
[10:54] <Saviq> greyback, hey, can you please comment on what's the status of https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/refactor-wm-and-test/+merge/172583
[10:55] <greyback> Saviq: in the MR?
[10:55] <Saviq> greyback, yeah
[10:55] <greyback> ok
[10:56] <seb128> Saviq, greyback : hey, you guys know qml right? ;-)
[10:56] <Saviq> seb128, no, not really, but shh!
[10:56] <seb128> haha, don't run away like that :p
[10:56] <greyback> seb128: kuu emm ell, no never heard of it
[10:56] <seb128> ;-)
[10:57] <Saviq> seb128, wassup?
[10:57] <seb128> Saviq, greyback: I would appreciate if you could have a quick look to https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/sound-display-names/+merge/175250 and tell me is the approch is fine, that sort of things feels harder that it should
[10:58] <seb128> Saviq, greyback: I'm just trying to figure out if I overlook easier ways or if playing with Component.onCompleted and js is "right"
[10:58] <seb128> I'm also using the tmp variables because otherwise the property wouldn't get change notifications
[10:59] <greyback> seb128: looking...
[10:59] <seb128> Saviq, basically I get a QStringList from my cpp backend and I "just" want to pass it through a "format_for_display" function and use the result in my ListItem.ValueSelector
[11:00] <Saviq> seb128, problem is ValueSelector doesn't support delegates yet
[11:00] <Saviq> seb128, but AFAIK they're making it so that it does
[11:00] <seb128> Saviq, that would be great ;-)
[11:00] <nic-doffay> Saviq, no. The code appeared close enough.
[11:00] <nic-doffay> Will do though.
[11:01] <Saviq> nic-doffay, check at least that the color values from the palette are the same
[11:01] <Saviq> seb128, at which point you'd just use their delegate and extend it to format your things
[11:01] <seb128> Saviq, greyback: well, basically the code in that mp works, I just wanted to know if you see anything stupid or any "don't do that, you can simply do..."
[11:01] <seb128> Saviq, right, that would work
[11:01] <nic-doffay> Cimi, how do I get to the Filtergrid?
[11:01] <Saviq> seb128, OTOH, this kind of formatting could happen in C++
[11:01] <nic-doffay> An example of it?
[11:02] <seb128> Saviq, I was pondering doing that but it seemed a bit more flexible/easier to do it from js
[11:03] <Saviq> seb128, and I'd probably go regex on it, too :)
[11:04] <Saviq> seb128, there's one thing there, though, is that you have no way of getting notified that there's new items
[11:04] <Cimi> nic-doffay, what?
[11:04] <Cimi> Saviq, conflicts fixed in the branch
[11:04] <Saviq> nic-doffay, ↑
[11:05] <Saviq> seb128, listSounds() should really be a property on some component that would, in turn, expose the QStringList and update it when necessary
[11:05] <nic-doffay> Cimi, where can I see the Filtergrid in action to check the colours?
[11:05] <Cimi> nic-doffay, it's the dash
[11:05] <Cimi> nic-doffay, list of apps
[11:06] <nic-doffay> Cimi, cool.
[11:06] <Cimi> nic-doffay, when you're unsure, check isages of the class and you see where it is used :)
[11:06] <Cimi> *usages
[11:06] <Cimi> or change one colour to yellow and see it :)
[11:06] <seb128> Saviq, right, thanks for the comments
[11:07] <seb128> Saviq, I might just do the formatting in cpp and return a second list from there with notify events
[11:07] <seb128> seems like it would be easier ;-)
[11:07] <Saviq> seb128, definitely cleaner :)
[11:12] <Cimi> Saviq, the other branch, with the wallpaper, has already the fixes for the pending MP of gsettings
[11:12] <Cimi> Saviq, can be approved/merged after that
[11:12] <Saviq> Cimi, yup, I know
[11:17] <Saviq> Cimi, are your overlay scrollbars broken in saucy?
[11:17] <Saviq> Cimi, the slim orange bar is full-height all the time for me
[11:23] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll have a look on Monday morning
[11:23] <Saviq> Cimi, just asking whether you can see the same issue
[11:23] <Cimi> I need to check :)
[11:23] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[11:24] <Cimi> Saviq, might do the same with half day work and half relax
[11:24] <Cimi> monday and tuesday last days of warm weather for me, then I'm back :)
[11:26] <sil2100> mhr3: I wonder what's up with that merge and i386 failing
[11:26] <sil2100> I think hm, we need to contact qa
[11:27] <mhr3> sil2100, did it fail again?
[11:32] <sil2100> mhr3: it seems to be the same all the time ;/
[11:33] <mhr3> hash mismatch... looks like network trouble
[11:47] <Saviq> Cimi, as long as you clear it with kgunn ;)
[11:51] <kgunn> Cimi: should be fine
[11:56] <seb128> Saviq, Cimi: I can confirm the overlay scrollbar's bug
[11:57] <seb128> Saviq, Cimi: bug #1201019
[12:39] <Saviq> dandrader, breathe, please! ;
[12:39] <Saviq> ;)
[12:39] <dandrader> :)
[12:40] <Saviq> dandrader, if we've really replaced everything other than Ubuntu.Gestures with mocks
[12:40] <Saviq> dandrader, then this can be ok indeed
[12:41] <dandrader> Saviq, I really think there *must* be a way to test the logic in Shell.qml without resorting to a full-blow autopilot
[12:41] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, I perfectly agree, as long as we've mocked everything out
[12:41] <Saviq> dandrader, which you're saying is the case (with the exception of qmenumodel that goes away with Overview.qml)
[12:42] <Saviq> dandrader, then yeah, that should be fine indeed
[13:22] <MacSlow> Saviq, are the ListViewWithPageHeader qmltests currently expected to fail? Just wondering about https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-saucy/643/testReport/junit/(root)/ListViewWithPageHeaderTestSection/testRemoveItemOutOfViewport
[13:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, no test is expected to fail
[13:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, (except those that are marked QSKIP())
[13:23] <Saviq> MacSlow, this test is unfortunately unreliable under Qt 5.0
[13:23] <MacSlow> Saviq, well then my branch there is just unlucky :)
[13:24] <MacSlow> Saviq, I don't want to qskip it... any recommendation how to make my branch at least pass CI?
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, it will, next time :)
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, or the next...
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, or the next...
[13:26] <MacSlow> Saviq, ok... got it :)
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, I'm trying to keep tabs on that
[13:30] <Saviq> dandrader, greyback, dednick standup
[13:31] <paulliu> hi.. can you hear me?
[13:32] <dandrader> Saviq,  sorry, was running qmluitests and didn't want to stop it in the middle
[13:32] <Saviq> dandrader, :)
[13:32] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, we need a VM for those (and autopilot, too)
[13:43] <FernandoMiguel> $ yes | killall -9 unity-panel-service
[13:43] <FernandoMiguel> folks, help me out
[13:43] <FernandoMiguel> tired of CPU burning cycles on unity
[13:44] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1199696
[13:44] <FernandoMiguel> reported last week
[13:44] <TitusJ> hi everybodY
[13:45] <TitusJ> Could you help me to enjoy with this dev group?
[13:47] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Hi, I'll comment in the bug, but the short of it is that the stack trace has zero info on where the crash may be happening and I have not seen this issue on my 13.10 system, so I have no way to reproduce.
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: I'm willing to debug further, if anyone points me how to
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> since it has been happening for weeks, every few minutes
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> I've reseted unity settings
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Ok, good. Give me some time, and I'll see if I can come up with a way to get meaningful symbols so the stack trace is helpful.
[13:49] <FernandoMiguel> k
[13:49] <FernandoMiguel> appreciated
[13:49] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: I'll add that to the bug.
[13:49] <FernandoMiguel> k k
[14:00] <kgunn> Saviq: ping
[14:00] <Saviq> kgunn, pong
[14:12] <TitusJ> Saviq: can you give me some info about how-to start to support dev group?
[14:13] <Saviq> TitusJ, you want to help with unity8 development?
[14:13] <TitusJ> Saviq: yes this is the idea!:D
[14:14] <Saviq> TitusJ, depends on what you want to do :)
[14:14] <Saviq> TitusJ, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8 has some bugs that would need confirming
[14:14] <Saviq> TitusJ, we have a list of TODOs / FIXMEs https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoGvOYxwuvpFdEJ5dURFb3Y0cnlKeEcxc0piNDZrWXc#gid=0
[14:14] <Saviq> TitusJ, some of which are bite-size (the EASY ones, generally)
[14:15] <Saviq> TitusJ, it's outdated, though - so actually reviewing that could be another task, if you're into that kind of work :)
[14:16] <Saviq> TitusJ, other than that there's the blueprint and all of its dependent ones https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-unity-ui-phone
[14:16] <Saviq> TitusJ, where, if you can find a Work Item that you'd like to tackle, talk to us - even if it's assigned to someone, we can always reassign :)
[14:17] <TitusJ> Saviq: ok all clear!
[14:18] <TitusJ> Saviq: i want to learn something to let me start!
[14:19] <Saviq> TitusJ, make sure to read CODING
[14:20] <Saviq> TitusJ, and feel free to ask here, or just ping me if there's no answer for some time
[14:20] <Saviq> TitusJ, we're mostly in EU timezones
[14:20] <TitusJ> Saviq: okey perfect
[14:22] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: anything you need from me now?
[14:22] <FernandoMiguel> I'm always on #+1 if you want to ping me for real time testing
[14:25] <dandrader> paulliu, is there a way to see the generic carousel in action?
[14:25] <dandrader> paulliu, or the portrait filter grid?
[14:26] <dandrader> paulliu,  my videos dash page is showing rectangular icons, instead of portrait ones
[14:27] <dandrader> paulliu, and, from the code, it seems that you want videos to use the portrait filter grid
[14:27] <paulliu> dandrader: yeah, I'm still trying. It needs to *install* trunk libunity..
[14:28] <paulliu> dandrader: But it badly destroy my system. I'm still checking.
[14:40] <Wellark> mhr3: did you get the dbus signal data from the autopilot run?
[14:40] <Wellark> mhr3: I would be interested to see the current ratio of UpdatedQuery compared to the others in top 10
[14:46] <mhr3> Wellark, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5884478/
[14:56] <greyback> Saviq: hey, just a confirmation: I planned to put the Mir intergation work, the new AppManager and friends all into a unity-mir project. It /could/ just be folded into unity8 instead. What you think best to do?
[14:56] <Saviq> greyback, fold into unity8 for starters, I'd say
[14:56] <Saviq> greyback, we can untangle at some point later
[14:57] <olli_> Saviq, can you help jdstrand on https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1200437?
[14:57] <greyback> Saviq: ok so
[14:57] <Saviq> olli_, see the linked branch?
[14:57] <Saviq> olli_, will try and push through ricmm, though
[15:23] <kgunn> mterry: ping
[15:26] <mterry> kgunn, pong
[15:30] <Trevinho> sil2100: having installed phablet-tools and hud-tools lead to an upgrade error (duplicated file /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/tests/__init__.py )... Do you know who is in charge for it (i can't find a deb changelog on hud-tools)?
[15:31] <sil2100> Ouch
[15:32] <sil2100> Trevinho: hud-tools is part of lp:hud, so tedg is in charge normally
[15:33] <sil2100> I wonder what happened ;/
[15:33] <Trevinho> sil2100: yes, I was saying about packaging
[15:33] <Trevinho> sil2100: it conflicts with phablet-tools
[15:34] <sil2100> Trevinho: not sure, I think both need to install in a different directory if anything
[15:35] <sil2100> Trevinho: I think Pete Woods would know more
[16:26] <dednick> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/remove.overview/+merge/175294
[16:27] <mterry> How come QtGraphicalEffects isn't in saucy?  What does unity8 use for glow effects?
[16:33] <Saviq> mterry, there are no glow effects in unity8 :)
[16:34] <mterry> Saviq, well, not yet.  I see we use shaders a bunch yet
[16:34] <Saviq> mterry, but anyway, libqt5qml-graphicaleffects
[16:34] <mterry> Saviq, ah interesting.  I have it installed from an old ppa I guess under the name libqt5graphicaleffects5
[16:35] <mterry> Saviq, I'm assuming if QtGraphicalEffects does what I want, we prefer its use to custom shaders?
[16:36] <Saviq> mterry, depends solely on performance
[16:36] <Saviq> mterry, if it does what you need and doesn't hurt performance - sure
[16:36] <Saviq> mterry, otherwise some GL experts need to be summoned
[16:36] <mterry> Saviq, have we found that QtGraphicalEffects performance has been lacking in past?
[16:37] <mterry> (not sure if we've discovered that that library is a little weak)
[16:39] <Wellark> mhr3: ok, now taking the DBus.GetNameOwner as a reference
[16:40] <mhr3> Wellark, i think bustle itself is responsible for those
[16:40] <mhr3> so imagine it's not there :)
[16:40] <Wellark> hud.UpdatedQuery: 380k -> 3k
[16:41] <Wellark> ok
[16:41] <Wellark> but anyway
[16:41] <Wellark> mhr3: was that run interrupted?
[16:41] <Saviq> mterry, maybe not that, but we sometimes needed to take shortcuts / cheat a little
[16:41] <Wellark> seems that all the signals are more or less 0.5 * the previous amount
[16:41] <Saviq> mterry, like for blurring - the blurs from QGE are way too slow for our use cases
[16:42] <Saviq> not that we came up with anything better
[16:42] <mhr3> Wellark, kinda... compiz crashed at some point
[16:42] <Saviq> mterry, dropshadows (but that was long time ago - unity-2d on tv times)
[16:42] <Saviq> mterry :P
[16:43] <Wellark> mhr3: ok, but still. looking at UpdatedQuery signal relative to the rest I would say it's fixed :)
[16:43] <mhr3> indeed
[16:43] <Saviq> mterry, as I was saying...
 mterry, maybe not that, but we sometimes needed to take shortcuts / cheat a little
 mterry, like for blurring - the blurs from QGE are way too slow for our use cases
 not that we came up with anything better yet
 mterry, dropshadows (but that was long time ago - unity-2d on tv times)
[16:44] <mterry> Saviq, my internet seems wonky of late, thanks.  Bummer that they're "FastBlur" isn't actually fast
[16:44] <mterry> "their" even
[16:44] <Saviq> we used them for text, and had to disable them in the end 'cause they hurt performance pretty badly
[16:45] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: well.... while logging dbg symbols, I still see it using a lot of CPU but hasn't crashed yet :\
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> it's almost as CPU locks till you refresh atop
[17:29] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: So it won't crash with dbg symbols installed?
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> so far, nothing
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> but still seeing spikes of cpu usage
[17:30] <ChrisTownsend> Boo
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> 16052     fernando     fernando        3       0.08s       19.91s         0K         0K         0K         0K      --       -     R         0     100%      unity-panel-se
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> usually I would kill it after a while
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> laptop gets extremely hot
[17:30] <ChrisTownsend> Let's try something
[17:30] <ChrisTownsend> 1. sudo gdb
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> 2. attach 16052
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: current log http://paste.ubuntu.com/5884976/
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> Well, I guess you don't need sudo since u-p-s is owned by you, but it doesn't matter.
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> darn.. it just stop
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> Right, it broke in.
[17:31] <FernandoMiguel> nothing in the logs
[17:32] <ChrisTownsend> Now do a bt in gdb and see what the stack looks like
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> 'k
[17:32] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5884982/
[17:33] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Hmm, it's hanging out in gobject stuff
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> helpful to debug this?
[17:34] <ChrisTownsend> Well, not really.
[17:34] <FernandoMiguel> need more gdb packages?
[17:34] <ChrisTownsend> I'm thinking
[17:34] <FernandoMiguel> k k
[17:36] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Ok, so maybe we get dbg symbols for libgobject and libgtk-3 as well.
[17:36] <FernandoMiguel> k
[17:36] <FernandoMiguel> do you know the packages names?
[17:36] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: You said you reset you Unity/Compiz settings, right?
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> I did a unity --reset
[17:37] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Give me a sec on package names
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> when I opened a the bug
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> didn't touch compiz
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> but I "think" it's pretty stock
[17:37] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Oh, maybe a setting got messed up.  Unlikely, but worth a shot.
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> I haven't messed with it in unity like I did in gnome2
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[17:37] <FernandoMiguel> I'll nuke it
[17:38] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Give me a sec and I'll give you a command to run.
[17:38] <FernandoMiguel> let me try to find confs
[17:38] <FernandoMiguel> /home/fernando/.config/compiz-1/compizconfig ?
[17:39] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Try this command: sudo gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[17:39] <FernandoMiguel> no out put
[17:39] <FernandoMiguel> reboot ?
[17:40] <ChrisTownsend> Then restart.  I think it's silent
[17:40] <FernandoMiguel> brb
[17:40] <ChrisTownsend> ok
[17:42] <FernandoMiguel> back
[17:42] <FernandoMiguel> logging
[17:42] <FernandoMiguel> and now we wait :)
[17:42] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Ok
[17:43] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: BTW, if we need those dbg packages it should be libglib2.0-0-dbg and libgtk-3-0-dbg
[17:43] <FernandoMiguel> although pretty stock, this system is from 12.04 at least
[17:43] <FernandoMiguel> with daily updates on +1 since then
[17:44] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: Yeah, sometimes a dist-upgrade can fiddle with those settings for some reason.
[17:44] <FernandoMiguel> I'm noticing much less CPU already
[17:44] <FernandoMiguel> :O
[17:44] <FernandoMiguel> unity is around 2%
[17:45] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> ChrisTownsend: can we add that reset command to the unity wiki ?
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> intel HD3000
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> laptop is a dell vostro v131
[17:45] <ChrisTownsend> Ok, I've seen issues with Nvidia
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> 40% and rising
[17:45] <ChrisTownsend> Sure, we can add it to the wiki
[17:45] <FernandoMiguel> and 3%
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> haven't had nvidia in a long while
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> been using intel for too long
[17:46] <ChrisTownsend> Me neither:)
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> well I think my previous one was.. .cant recall... it fried the GOU
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> *GPU
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> so bough this one
[17:47] <FernandoMiguel> clicking unity top bar tends to force the crash
[17:47] <FernandoMiguel> but not doing it now
[17:47] <FernandoMiguel> also in multi monitor with diff resolutions
[17:47] <FernandoMiguel> only the bigger screen will have the bar clickable
[17:47] <FernandoMiguel> no idea how to report that in a bug
[17:48] <ChrisTownsend> Hmm, panel should be clickable in either monitor.
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> not here
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> I'll reproduce when I get home
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> volume applet stop working after reboot
[17:48] <FernandoMiguel> on mouse scroll over
[17:48] <ChrisTownsend> But I wonder if this is where the problem is coming from.  Panel wants to start in that monitor, but *something* is blocking it.
[17:49] <FernandoMiguel> both show the pannel
[17:49] <ChrisTownsend> So it spins in a loop waiting on something.
[17:49] <FernandoMiguel> but only the TV is clicacble
[17:49] <FernandoMiguel> but right now, it's on single monitor
[17:49] <ChrisTownsend> Well, I mean to fully get up and running as it's not accepting click events.
[17:49] <FernandoMiguel> I'll try to debug that better when I connect the tv via hdmi
[17:50] <ChrisTownsend> Oh, so the CPU is burning even when on single monitor.
[17:50] <ChrisTownsend> ?
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> any idea why the volume applet stop working now?
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel>  2624     fernando     fernando        3       0.04s        6.08s       444K       392K        12K         0K      --       -     S         1      31%      unity-panel-se
[17:50] <ChrisTownsend> No idea why at the moment.
[17:50] <FernandoMiguel> no 100% spikes so far
[17:51] <FernandoMiguel> will keep testing all night long
[17:51] <FernandoMiguel> and update the bug
[17:51] <ChrisTownsend> Still, u-p-s should be using anything remotely close to 31% at this point.
[17:51] <FernandoMiguel> 100%
[17:51] <FernandoMiguel> fans fired
[17:52] <FernandoMiguel> 30
[17:52] <FernandoMiguel> and lowering
[17:52] <FernandoMiguel> I was just typing here
[17:52] <FernandoMiguel> WARN  2013-07-17 18:51:47 unity.glib.dbus.proxy GLibDBusProxy.cpp:418 Calling method "SyncGeometries" on object path: "/com/canonical/Unity/Panel/Service" failed: Timeout was reached
[17:53] <ChrisTownsend> Hmm, maybe dbus is going crazy.
[17:53] <FernandoMiguel> (gdb) bt
[17:53] <FernandoMiguel> No stack.
[17:53] <ChrisTownsend> You did attach on the pid of u-p-s?
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> (gdb) attach 2624
[17:54] <ChrisTownsend> Weird
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel>  2624     fernando     fernando        3       0.08s       18.16s       376K       300K         0K         0K      --       -     R         2      91%      unity-panel-se
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> WARN  2013-07-17 18:54:32 unity.glib.dbus.proxy GLibDBusProxy.cpp:418 Calling method "SyncOne" on object path: "/com/canonical/Unity/Panel/Service" failed: Timeout was reached
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> it matches
[17:55] <ChrisTownsend> I'm going to look at some code for the warning
[17:55] <FernandoMiguel> k
[17:56] <FernandoMiguel> got new stuff now
[17:57] <FernandoMiguel> ~$ pastebinit unitydebug20130717-2.log
[17:57] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5885064/
[17:59] <ChrisTownsend> FernandoMiguel: I've got to step away for a bit.  I also need to think about this some.


[09:24] <jirido_> Hi. I just installed on an old acer one with atom 270n cpu. As i like compiz I installed fusion-icon but gets segemetation faults straight out of the box.. compiz --replace works ok thou..
[09:26] <jirido_> Is this a common problem? Should i maybe ask in #ubuntu even thou Im on lubuntu?
[09:41] <jirido_> jirido@jirido-smottin:~$ fusion-icon -vv
[09:41] <jirido_>  * Detected Session: Lubuntu
[09:41] <jirido_>  * Searching for installed applications...
[09:41] <jirido_>  -- /usr/bin/compiz
[09:41] <jirido_>  -- /usr/bin/openbox
[09:41] <jirido_>  -- /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator
[09:42] <jirido_> hm can i send still?
[09:42] <jirido_> yeah thanks red queen
[09:57] <jirido_> well as i posted earlier i cant get fusion icon to work.. is there some package i should ad maybe?
[10:08] <guiverc> jirido_, you installed what?  I don't see mention of a release of Lubuntu, and if you want to paste multiple lines, please use pastebinit
[10:08] <guiverc> !pastebinit
[10:09] <guiverc> and you're most welcome to ask in #ubuntu; Lubuntu is an official flavor so you'll be ontopic in #ubuntu (ask in only one room at a time though; give people a chance to reply otherwise people in both rooms will get annoyed & everyone tends to go quiet on you)
[13:33] <mmmmmmmmmm> Is there a
 yes, there is a, as well as b.
[13:34] <mmmmmmmmmm> Is there any recommended partition setup for 19? I'm having trouble with mine and Im not sure if Im doing it correctly as my installation is failing due to the dreaded "Boost.Python error in job "unpackfs" error
[13:38] <mmmmmmmmmm> My partition setup is: /boot: 1 GB, / 14gb, Swap: 2 GB, /var: 7GB, /home: rest (95.7) gb.
 sorry I can't help, I always use default, not much partitioning.
[13:41] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, if you do UEFI then you gonna need another 300 MB vfat partition, mountpoin /boot/rfi
[13:41] <diogenes_>  /boot/efi*
[13:41] <mmmmmmmmmm> Secure boot etc is disabled (and I dont plan on enabling it). Should i still add it?
[13:43] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, the fact that you disabled secure boot, doesn't mean that you disabled UEFI too.
[13:43] <mmmmmmmmmm> True
[13:44] <diogenes_> check with the BIOS settings if it boots in UEFI mode or legacy BIOS.
[13:44] <mmmmmmmmmm> Its currently booting in legacy mode
[13:45] <mmmmmmmmmm> I cant select vfat as the file system - should it just be fat32?
[13:46] <mmmmmmmmmm> There is also no mount point that I can select thats /boot/rfi (Im doing it in GPT currently)
[13:46] <diogenes_> then, if you decide to install in legacy mode, make sure: 1) the HDD is MBR formatted and not GPT, 2) the SATA mode is AHCI, not some weird IDE 3) in legacy mode the recommended partitioning are: 1st partition=30 / 2nd partition=as much as you want /home 3rd partition=at least 4GB swap.
[13:47] <mmmmmmmmmm> Ah, I'll make it MBR formatted. Should it be 30 GB for the root partition?
[13:48] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, for general use, 30 GB is more than enough.
[13:48] <diogenes_> for root /
[13:48] <mmmmmmmmmm> Great, thank you. Let me try this
[13:51] <mmmmmmmmmm> So the new partition table is MBR. I have root @ 29.3 GB, /, ext4. swap @ 4GB, no mount point, linuxswap and the final partition is just the rest mount @ home with ext4 as you suggested
[13:52] <diogenes_> looks good
[13:53] <mmmmmmmmmm> Unfortunately that just gave the same thing. Installation Failed Boost.Python error in job "unpackfs". Command '['mount'm '/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs','/tmp/tmp7mpovn8q/filesystem', '-t', 'squashfs','-o','loop']' returned non-zero exit status 32. None
[13:53] <mmmmmmmmmm> I can copy the traceback if you'd like
[13:55] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, that look more as the installation media is broken, how did you write the iso to the usb?
[13:56] <mmmmmmmmmm> Using rufus. Im double checking the SATA mode right now though
[13:56] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, rufus is not that great when it comes about linux, try win32imagewriter
[13:56] <mmmmmmmmmm> Sure I'll give that a spin
[14:08] <mmmmmmmmmm> I think? that its gotten further now. You might be right that Rufus could have been mangling the image.
[14:11] <mmmmmmmmmm> @diogenes_ thank you, it works now.
[14:11] <diogenes_> mmmmmmmmmm, you're welcome.
 Anyone reported this yet? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773148
 I am getting this in my lxd container today.
 On focal tho.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Anyone reported this yet? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773148], @teward001 know something about this?
 I am seeing it in my new container which I set up just now.
 I haven't updated the system yet. I think there is an update for sudo in the container
 what's the version of sudo in your system
 s/system/container/
 1.8.29
 1.8.29-1ubuntu1 is the latest in Focal
 sooooo
 might be a bug, might be fixed, i need reproduction steps to test
 hmm. running the upgrade now
 @teward001 [might be a bug, might be fixed, i need reproduction steps to test], I am doing `lxc exec some-ubuntu -- sudo --login --user ubuntu`  where some-ubuntu is name of container
 to get to bash of user ubuntu in the container
 *loads up container*
 same story after the upgrade
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I am doing lxc exec some-ubuntu -- sudo --login --user ubuntu  where some-ubuntu …], how do you usually get into the default user of your container? you don't use this?
 don't tell me you use only root
 I use `lxc shell [container]` which drops me to a root propmt, then i `su - [user]`
 depending on the container and its setup ;)
 hmm. i see
 but i can confirm the issue being observed
 but i just tested from the root shell
 and it errors out
 yay!
 but it then logs me in
 it does
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxvXTvp7M4/
 i see some temporary fix on a fedora forum but don't want to try. need apermanent fix
 you might be interested?
 sudo's not something I touch but i'll file an Ubuntu bug with this issue
 since i was able to replicate inside the container
 @teward001 [sudo's not something I touch but i'll file an Ubuntu bug with this issue], send link after filing i will second it.
 what i'd like to do is test this in an actual VM too
 https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/sudo-setrlimit-rlimit-core-operation-not-permitted/4223 … in case you want to try on a different container. ;)
 so i'll download a daily ISO later and VMify it to make sure it's not an LXD related bug
 @teward001 [what i'd like to do is test this in an actual VM too], me too. how do we reproduce this on a vm? ssh into the vm from host?
 i was just going to do it from the VM itself :P
 because I use VMware and have the GUI on screen as such
 :P
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1857036
 @teward001 [https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1857036], thanks!
 I'll dig deeper once at home - can't download an ISO on this network right now
 it'll overload the network xD
 I too can't download any iso as long as I am at home. (next 15 days)
 i'll download later this evening
 @teward001 whats "arstotzka" ?
 ah your hostname.
 I thought some new lnux distro. :P
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@teward001 whats "arstotzka" ?], lol.  that's the hostname of my system
 I saw
 at least it's not the hostname of my one DMZ honeypot server
 it's a hostname I can't share here ;)
[20:36] <Tina96> Brand new user here. Question?
[20:36] <wxl> yes, that is :)
[20:37] <Tina96> I installed lubuntu 18.04 on a Sony desktop that was running winxp
[20:37] <wxl> a nice upgrade :)
[20:38] <Tina96> When it finished installing...I get a black screen and I have to enter commands?
[20:38] <Tina96> I have no idea what I am doing
[20:38] <wxl> so did you check the hashes of the ISO and compare them against the published hashes to ensure the download you have is without errors?
[20:38] <wxl> (btw that's not normal)
[20:39]  * genii suspects GRUB prompt
[20:39] <Tina96> HA HA..what is that?
[20:39] <wxl> right
[20:39] <wxl> ok
[20:39] <wxl> !hashes
[20:39] <Tina96> yes GRUB prompt
[20:39] <wxl> i guess you can also just run the "check disc for defects" at the boot prompt on the installation media.. but that won't tell you if you have a download problem or a copy problem
[20:40] <Tina96> I am finding that this new software requires a lot of work...lol
[20:40] <wxl> this ultimately is something that would be required of any OS you're downloading from the internet, including windows 10 (which you can go grab an ISO of)
[20:40] <genii> When the installer asks where to install GRUB, select the entire device ... for instance /dev/sda  and NOT specific partition where the files got copied to, like /dev/sda1 or so
[20:41]  * genii runs off to answer the phone
[20:41] <wxl> genii: of course, that presumes not just accepting the defaults, which most folks would do
[20:41] <Tina96> Okay...so I will check Md-whatever and come back...lol. genni? I did tell it to install to entire device
[20:42] <wxl> yeah so if the hashes check out, then run the check disc for defects
[20:42] <wxl> if that fails, you know you have a copy problem
[20:42] <wxl> so try copying the ISO again to the installation media
[20:42] <wxl> one other question
[20:42] <wxl> where did you get your ISO from?
[20:43] <Tina96> ok...wxl....uh....let me see if I still have the install website open...
[20:45] <Tina96> wxl? Here is where I got it...nope...not sure....i think and alternate from Harvard U?
[20:46] <wxl> weiiiiird
[20:46] <wxl> you should get it from ubuntu.com, really
[20:46] <wxl> here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.3/release/
[20:47] <Tina96> IDK...I looked at some MANY...like I said....have no idea really...just curiosity
[20:48] <wxl> well what i'm trying to get you to do is to verify that what you downloaded is actually lubuntu and not something masquerading as lubuntu or an incorrect download.. so it matters
[20:49] <Tina96> wxl? yes, yes....that is where I got it....but clicked on Alternate...18.04 i386
[20:49] <Tina96> This sony desktop is OLLLLDDDD...old hardware
[20:50] <wxl> ok, that's fine. so just check your hashes. if it doesn't work out, make sure to get a new download and keep trying until you get it right. you could also use bit torrent (which should automatically error check)
[20:50] <Tina96> ok...will do...be back later! thank you so much!
[20:50] <wxl> no problem. be well!
[21:26] <Tina96> wxl? I just ran the installation again and I got a beautiful desktop! I must have made some wrong choices the first time around. Thank you for help. I am going to check this program out! Happy Holidays everyone!
[21:26] <wxl> Tina96: glad it all worked out :) let us know if you need more help
[21:27] <Tina96> most definitely!
[21:33]  * genii slides wxl a tin of holiday cookies
[22:21] <Tina96> wxl?
[22:21] <wxl> yes........?
[22:21] <Tina96> Can you suggest a good archive extractor?
[22:21] <wxl> for what sort of archive?
[22:22] <Tina96> DOS/Windows executible
[22:22] <wxl> oh boy
[22:22] <wxl> why on earth do you want that? XD
[22:23] <Tina96> I have a bunch of xp games that are archived.
[22:23] <wxl> but but but how are you going to play them?
[22:23] <Tina96> I backed them up 10 years ago...lol
[22:23] <Tina96> won't they play in lubuntu?
[22:23] <wxl> nope
[22:23] <wxl> just like apple games won't play in xp
[22:23] <Tina96> ohhhh...well crapola
[22:24] <wxl> you can blame windows for that one
[22:24] <Tina96> yeppers
[22:24] <Tina96> dag nab it
[22:24] <wxl> there are some ways you could get around it
[22:24] <wxl> but it's not "easy" per se
[22:24] <Tina96> enlighten me?
[22:24] <Tina96> lol.
[22:25] <wxl> there's a thing called a virtual machine. basically, you run a virtual operating system within your operating system. like windows would be an application you're running in linux.
[22:25] <wxl> that would, unfortunately, require installation media, so that might be a problem.
[22:25] <Tina96> ohhhh....nice....ugh
[22:25] <wxl> it would also require a fair amount of overhead, so given your old computer, that's probably also a concern.
[22:25] <wxl> and then there's a thing called wine
[22:25] <wxl> !wine
[22:26] <Tina96> yeah...i need a glass
[22:26] <wxl> it's not really a full virtual machine, but it's something kind of like it
[22:26] <wxl> a lot of gamers use it
[22:26] <Tina96> these are very small games
[22:26] <wxl> it can be really funky to work with, but if the application is well used and documented, then you just follow the instructions and you'll be fine
[22:27] <Tina96> ok...i will go find me some WINE
[22:27] <Tina96> wish me luck
[22:29] <wxl> ok here's a good example https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1370
[22:29] <wxl> from 2002. "platinum rated" which means it works exceptionally well
[22:31] <wxl> the unarchiver (this is a command line program "unar") is what i use for archives. it pretty much does everything. i know it can do self extracting exe's. https://macpaw.com/the-unarchiver
[22:37] <Tina96> cool
[22:37] <wxl> oh and since you're new to linux, it's got a package manager
[22:37] <wxl> kind of like the software store newer windows comes with
[22:38] <wxl> so you don't have to go download stuff from websites. just open up synaptic and search for what you want and there you go
[22:38] <Tina96> what is synaptic
[22:38] <wxl> !synaptic
[22:39] <Tina96> wow...feeling overwhelmed...i may go back to windows...or find me some real wine
[22:49] <Tina96> is there anyway to get around NOT having to sign in when i boot the system.
[22:49] <wxl> yep i got to remember how though
[22:51] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-in-lightdm
[22:52] <Tina96> (y)
[23:00] <Tina96> Like those other people on that page having the same problem....it says I can't change it
[23:02] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/a/1113452
[23:02] <wxl> that answer
[23:03] <Tina96> # /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[23:04] <Tina96> Should that say "SetDefaults"?
[23:04] <wxl> nno
[23:04] <wxl> Seat
[23:04] <Tina96> ok...just checking before i try


[00:55] <Dan> Need help installing/configuring kernel-source so driver modules will build for conexant usb modem. My thread is here (not spam) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2270054
[00:56] <Dan> If that is seen after i leave please reply to post, been trying to install these drivers for about 8 days now. Quite frustrated
[00:58] <Dan> More extensive thread on other forum http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/compiling-kernel-source-build-modules-in-ubuntu-14-04-a-4175536945/
[00:58] <Dan> Replies and help are appreciated
[01:00] <apw> Dan, the source for the kernel has changed, moving the version.h file somewhere else (into the uapi directory)
[01:01] <apw> Dan, the driver is clearly not been updated to match in the recent past, and needs to be
[01:01] <Dan> Where is the uapi directory?
[01:01] <Dan> Thanks for reply
[01:02] <Dan> So i just move version.h into uapi directory and it should build?
[01:04] <Dan> Also yes, the drivers havent been maintained since i think 9.10
[01:04] <apw> i doubt that very much, if the code is writeen for the kernel since before uapi existed the chances of it workign with the new kernel is very low at best
[01:04] <apw> version.h is already in the uapi directory (under that build link) the driver expects it not to be
[01:05] <apw> but the uapi split isn't exactly new, so you are in uncharted territory
[01:05] <Dan> Could you reccomend me a distro that would support any of these? http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/dgc/downloads.php
[01:06] <Dan> Only reason im on 14.04 is because help was refused if i was running an EOTL release
[01:07] <Dan> I only need gnome-ppp so as long as it supports that but with a old enough kernel to install/build my drivers that's fine
[01:07] <apw> Dan, i find it supprising they arn't supported out of the box these days, they are anchient
[01:07] <Dan> I got version 1.01 out of the box lol and wouldnt even install
[01:08] <Dan> 1.13.0 installs but i have the module build issue
[01:09] <apw> i mean without any extra drivers, most of these things get core support over time
[01:09] <apw> though that page tells you what distros support the drivers, the last ones it lists are so old one normally assumes
[01:09] <apw> the driver has made it into mainline
[01:11] <Dan> So my best bet it to try 9.10?
[01:12] <apw> if the system doesn't work it out of the box, i'd say you are in a hole
[01:12] <apw> as the vendor clearly does not support their own h/w any more
[01:12] <Dan> I installed the generic dgcmodem-1.13.0.deb ill try the distro specific packages
[01:12] <Dan> Thanks for your help, at least i dont have to figure out the kernel-source
[01:15] <Dan> But just to verify, installing the kernel source would do nothing, yes?
[02:18] <mozmck> I'm running the following to build some custom kernel packages:  fakeroot debian/rules binary-indep; fakeroot debian/rules binary-perarch; and then fakeroot debian/rules binary-<custom flavour>
[02:18] <mozmck> Is this the right way to do this?  It is not building a linux-firmware package - should it?
[02:20] <mozmck> oh, and linux-libc-dev is not being built either, but I don't know if it should be.
[02:24] <infinity> mozmck: linux-firmware is built by the linux-firmware source package.
[02:27] <mozmck> oh, I'm using skipabi=true skipmodule=true - is that still necessary?  I had to do that when I built a custom ubuntu kernel for 10.04
[02:28] <infinity> mozmck: It's still necessary if you don't plan to track your ABI changes appropriately.
[02:29] <infinity> apw: The mind boggles that someone would apparently waste a week trying to make a 10 year old piece of hardware work that he could have replaced for 15 bucks.
[02:30] <mozmck> ok, thanks.
[02:32] <lifeless> infinity: ... that was the case 10 years ago too :)
[02:32] <infinity> lifeless: Yeah, true.
[02:33] <infinity> lifeless: But I get the motivation to make new kit go.    But as a volue proposition, if you've gotten a decade out of your 15 dollar softmodem, it's time to find a bin for it.
[02:33] <infinity> s/volue/value/
[02:33]  * infinity side-eyes his fingers.
[02:35] <lifeless> Aye.
[02:35] <lifeless> But its his precious.
[02:35] <lifeless> Or maybe he has 10000 of them in retail stores all over the place.
[02:36] <infinity> Heh.
[02:37] <mozmck> if I want to build i386 packages on my amd64 machine, how would I do that?
[02:37] <lifeless> easiest way is probably a i686 lxc container
[02:37] <mozmck> I made a flavour for amd64 and i386, but only the amd64 flavour built
[02:37] <lifeless> lxc-create -t ubuntu -n fred -- -a i686
[02:37] <infinity> Or just a chroot.
[02:38] <lifeless> personally find it more fiddly to manage cross-arch stuff in chroots, but sure, whatever :)
[02:38] <infinity> mozmck: Many ways to skin that proverbial cat, but the basic essence is that you want an i386 userspace.  So a chroot or lxc or a VM (in order from light to heavy).
[02:38] <mozmck> ok, I've heard of pbuilder but not used it, I'll do some reading.
[02:39] <infinity> lifeless: Well, your lxc-create call is creating an i386 chroot. :P
[02:39] <mozmck> ok, thanks.
[02:39] <infinity> lifeless: How you enter it defines if it's a chroot or a container.
[02:39] <infinity> mozmck: pbuilder is the devil's tool.  sbuild is the way and the light.
[02:39] <mozmck> can I easily use 8 cores in a chroot?
[02:39] <mozmck> heh, ok!
[02:39] <infinity> mozmck: A chroot changes nothing about your system.  It's just a directory with another root filesystem in it.
[02:40] <lifeless> infinity: yes indeed :)
[02:40] <mozmck> ah, ok.
[02:40] <lifeless> you should be able to use multi-arch in principle too
[02:40] <infinity> You can, yes.  And for a kernel, that's not a terrible option, since the build-deps are light.
[02:41] <mozmck> multi-arch?
[02:41] <infinity> mozmck: The man makes a fair point.  It could be as simple as taking your dpkg-buildpackage command and adding "-ai386" to the command line. :P
[02:41] <lifeless> can one do apt-get build-dep linux-kernel/i386?
[02:41] <lifeless> I forgets
[02:42] <mozmck> hmm, ok.  I'm using debian/rules binary-...
[02:42] <infinity> lifeless: I think apt also uses the -aarch syntax for that, but I don't recall.
[02:42] <mozmck> I presume that calls dpkg-buildpackage somewhere?
[02:42] <infinity> mozmck: Ahh, no.  Other way around, dpkg-buildpackage calls debian/rules.
[02:43] <infinity> mozmck: But if you're happier doing the manual fiddling instead of building the whole shebang, just build a quick chroot (or, as lifeless says, an lxc container), and build in there.
[02:44] <infinity> lxc might be simpler, just cause it automates the fiddly bind mount bits and whatnot.
[02:44] <mozmck> oh, well I haven't used that then I guess.  fakeroot debian/rules binary-<indep|perarch|flavour> is what I've been using.
[02:45] <mozmck> maybe I should be using dpkg-buildpackage.  I only want one flavour though - my custom (PREEMPT-RT) one.
[03:04] <gshmu> I want test the latest upstream kernel, so I install the last kernel, but I can't longin in new kernel at tty7. anyone can tell me how to build the linux-image-extra-000.deb package?
[03:07] <mozmck> I would like to know that as well!
[03:07] <gshmu> mozmck: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1432459
[03:10] <gshmu> Can you help me to build the linux-image-extra-4.000.deb ?   I'm just build this package: linux-firmware-image-4.0.0-rc1-gshmu_4.0.0-rc1-gshmu-1_amd64.deb linux-headers-4.0.0-rc1-gshmu_4.0.0 rc1-gshmu-1_amd64.deb linux-image-4.0.0-rc1-gshmu_4.0.0-rc1-gshmu-1_amd64.deb linux-image-4.0.0-rc1-gshmu-dbg_4.0.0-rc1-gshmu-1_amd64.deb linux-libc-dev_4.0.0-rc1-gshmu-1_amd64.deb
[07:39] <zequence> infinity: Sorry, haven't been in for a few days. Both kernels tested now.
[09:13] <apw> gshmu, there is no linux-image-extra for mainline builds, they build with the split disabled so all modules should be in the linux-image package
[09:21] <stub> Anyone have some kernel boot parameters that might get some useful debug information for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1434136 ?
[09:33] <gshmu> apw: How to build it by my self?
[09:34] <apw> gshmu, you don't need it because all of its content are instead in linux-image
[09:34] <gshmu> apw: I can't login in tty7
[09:35] <apw> we do not split the package for mainline builds because it adds no value and can fail because of upstream changed
[09:36] <apw> gshmu, unsure, sounds likely that you are seeing a graphics hang from your bug discription, and those sort of things are pretty common in a -rc kernel, particularly as it happens after you are able to type username and password at lightdm
[09:37] <apw> gshmu, i would say as you are looking to see if a usb issue is resolved, that you try a v3.19.x kernel from there, as they tend to be more stable
[09:37] <gshmu> apw: thanks you
[14:02] <mozmck> apw: how does the build system know that a mainline kernel is being used so it does not split out the *extra package?
[14:05] <apw> mozmck, the mainline builder specified it wants no split
[14:10] <mozmck> apw: ok, so I copied the debian and debian.master from vivid at the next commit after the 3.18.7 tag into a mainline 3.18.9 kernel.  I do not get the extra package, or the linux-libc-dev package.  should I be getting the latter?  I'm running debian/rules with binary-indep, binary-perarch, and binary-<myflavor> to build packages.
[15:08] <apw> mozmck, not sure, the config for the flavour contains the split info, so if you called it something other than generic likely not
[15:08] <apw> you can also tell from the size of the linux-image, if it is huge then it is not split
[15:28] <mozmck> apw: hmm, ok.  I called preemptrt, and the linux-image package is 54 MB, so I guess it is not split
[15:28] <mozmck> thanks.
[15:55] <apw> mozmck, yes the inclusion list is generic specific so you should avoid it
[16:39] <BeagleBug_97> Is it possible to install rt-preempt patch on BeagleBoard xM kernel running Ubuntu 14.04?
[21:38] <lamont> who knows precise iptables better than anyone should?
[21:39]  * lamont has very specific quesitons about conntracking in the 3.13.0 kernel (oops, s/precise/trusty/) and would prefer not to go read that much source
[21:40] <apw> lamont, i'd guess that without reading only jay might know any detailed questions, though i'd say ask anyhow
[21:42] <lamont> lets say I was being crazy and trying to move firewalling to another machine by doing this:  (1) insert the new machine in between the old machine and the outside link from same.  (2) turn on conntracking, but allow all traffic through the new-firewall-to-be, (3) at some point trade rules and make the new machine the active and statefully firewalling machine, and the old one becomes "let it all
[21:42] <lamont> through" (4) remove the old machine
[21:42] <lamont> would that even work?
[21:43] <lamont> what tcp sessions would not be stored in the new machine's conntrack? (does that only get written when new connections form, or does it care?)
[21:43]  * lamont doesn't want to rebuild his test lab, either
[21:44] <apw> so i would have expected that to have worked as you hope, that as long at the new machine is there long enough that it would pick up the connections, and indeed if you put it
[21:44] <apw> inside, so it only sees the valid ocnnections i _think_ it will intuite the ones which are already existing
[21:45] <apw> so i think i am saying it should be between the old and inside, else it will have established things where it ought to reject maybe
[21:46] <lamont> ah, good point
[21:46] <lamont> yeah, inside then
[21:46] <lamont> I may just see if I can test this out for sure
[21:47] <apw> cirtinaly it has estalished detection for existing connections when it starts watching too
[21:47] <lamont> next question: HTF do I see the conntrack table in a 3.13 kernel?
[21:47] <lamont> the pre-trusty way went away (conntrack in /proc/sys/(
[21:48] <apw> crontrack-tools perhaps
[21:48] <apw> it might be conntrack -L
[21:51] <apw> lamont, conntrack -L seems to do what i think you want
[21:52] <lamont> packagte is conntrack
[21:52] <lamont> cool
[21:52] <apw> yeha i've been doing a lot of cron stuff today, so i keep misstyping
[21:53] <lamont> and the 8-tuple is (src/dst IP/port side A, src/dst IP/port side B), yes?
[21:54] <lamont> actually, established/related requires the full SYN/SYN+ACK/ACK handshake to complete for TCP stuff , yes?
[21:54] <apw> right the two flow directions
[21:54] <apw> i believe there is some recovery for lost entries that could trigger when someone is clearly communicating
[21:55] <apw> but i'd not like to claim to how
[21:55] <lamont> heh
[21:56] <lamont> I'm thnking of the "new guy on the outside" case (since the firewall filters both directions) - if all it saw was the SYN (and old guy then dropped the packet), I would like to think that ESTABLISHED wouldn't make it when that finally got turned on...
[21:56] <lamont> obviously, the sequence would be: turn on firewalling on the new guy, then turn it off on the old guy
[21:57] <apw> lamont, that does sound believeable, so yes likely it works either way


[09:30] <Nirrad> hi. How do you disable lap top keyboard completely. thank you
[11:00] <Mkaysi> You might not be able to do so, but some laptops have button to disable keyboard.
[13:23] <Galeade> hi
[13:27] <Galeade> i have a prob with flash, i have a message missing plugin in any browser that i use to visit a website made with flash
[13:28] <Galeade> i've tried ecerything i found on the internet
[13:29] <Galeade> everything*
[13:30] <Galeade> i've tried 3 graphic cards
[13:31] <Galeade> i've tried flash aid and gnash + lightspark
[13:31] <Galeade> i made tests with firefox, seamonkey, iceweasel and chromium-browser
[13:32] <Galeade> and i still cannot find an issue
[13:35] <Galeade> (i use 11.10)
[13:48] <smile> Galeade: well have you checked if flash is installed? :)
[13:49] <Galeade> smile: :)
[13:49] <Galeade> i wouldn't lie
[13:49] <Galeade> gnashworks but not for the websites i use to visit
[13:50] <smile> Galeade: start firefox and type in: about:addons
[13:50] <smile> :)
[13:51] <smile> And tell me what's installed @ plugins
[13:51] <smile> (not add-ons, plugins)
[13:51] <Galeade> i do not have firefox anymore
[13:51] <Galeade> i've re-installed
[13:51] <smile> and now it works?
[13:51] <Galeade> but it apperas int the list in about:plugins of chromium
[13:51] <Galeade> nope
[13:52] <smile> can you copy the exact entry in chrome? :)
[13:52] <Galeade> i've done lots of new installs to do proper tests
[13:52] <Galeade> yes i can
[13:53] <smile> That would be helpful.
[13:53] <Galeade> do you want a screen ?
[13:53] <Galeade> with details
[13:53] <smile> Galeade: okay, that's fine :) don't forget to expand the entry :)
[13:57] <smile> Galeade: are you busy?
[14:00] <Galeade> yep i'm installing
[14:00] <Galeade> cause the system is just installed
[14:00] <Galeade> i needmy tool :p
[14:01] <smile> ok. :p
[14:02] <Galeade> http://maman.admin.free.fr/plugins.png
[14:05] <smile> it's downloading, just a moment
[14:05] <Galeade> it's newly installed but updated
[14:06] <smile> what does checking the checkbox allow do? :)
[14:06] <Galeade> the checkbox ?
[14:06] <Galeade> sorry i'm french
[14:07] <Galeade> my system is in english but i don't understand what you're talking about
[14:07] <Galeade> oh i see
[14:07] <smile> well. If you enable allow. :)
[14:07] <smile> what happens then? :)
[14:07] <Galeade> nothing
[14:07] <smile> I'm also a non-native speaker, Galeade
[14:07] <smile> Galeade: if you install Chrome instead of Chromium, does it work then? :)
[14:08] <Galeade> Chrome ?
[14:09] <Galeade> i'm not sure that will work, i can try, but i made tests with several browsers
[14:09] <smile> Google Chrome, yes
[14:09] <smile> Google Chrome is different - they have their own built-in flash player. Maybe that works
[14:10] <Galeade> ah
[14:10] <smile> you can install it from the ubuntu software centre I thought
[14:10] <Galeade> i didn't need to do that with my laptop
[14:10] <smile> oh, this is lubuntu :p
[14:10] <Galeade> i need to add a source i imagine
[14:10] <smile> install it from www.google.com/chrome then
[14:10] <smile> Galeade: not if you download it directly from google
[14:10] <Galeade> i have a look
[14:12] <Galeade> do i need to uninstall chromium ?
[14:16] <Galeade> okay that works
[14:17] <Galeade> thanks a lot
[14:17] <Galeade> i'm going to install chrome on all my computers
[14:29] <smile> Galeade: cool! :D
[14:30] <smile> Galeade: and no, you don't need to. :)
[14:30] <Galeade> i'm uninstalling anyway
[14:30] <Galeade> i don't need sevral browsers
[14:31] <blackcatgatonegr> most popular is firefox due to addons and plugins
[14:32] <Galeade> i don't like it, since they add the plugin container
[14:32] <blackcatgatonegr> chrome has add ons and plug ins but not as many as firefox. try chorium if you want to open source version of chrome.
[14:32] <Galeade> ty blackcatgatonegr but flash doesn't work properly
[14:33] <blackcatgatonegr> Galeade, you need to install the propietatio video drivers last version
[14:33] <blackcatgatonegr> *propietary
[14:34] <Galeade> blackcatgatonegr: i've tried to install everything that is possible to make flash run
[14:34] <Galeade> i even tried 3 graphic cards
[14:34] <Galeade> 2 nvidia and 1 ati
[14:37] <blackcatgatonegr> mmm
[14:38] <blackcatgatonegr> Galeade, go to preferences /adicional drivers
[14:38] <Galeade> i have nvidia-96 package for my drivers
[14:38] <blackcatgatonegr> Galeade, that driver is too old, only recomended for really old video cards
[14:39] <Galeade> i tried to install the current version, but that did not work
[14:39] <blackcatgatonegr>  Galeade, go to preferences /adicional drivers pick the one that has "update" in the name
[14:39] <Galeade> i tried them both
[14:39] <blackcatgatonegr> Galeade, what is your video card?
[14:40] <Galeade> geforce2 mx400
[14:40] <Galeade> somthing like that
[14:40] <Galeade> but that works, that's the most important
[14:41] <Galeade> the computer is for my kids
[14:41] <Galeade> they can both play on the same game now
[14:42] <blackcatgatonegr> ok, try to erase nouveau firmware if you have it from synaptic if you have it, if you don't nevermind.
[14:44] <blackcatgatonegr> Galeade, you can add get deb game repository to install more games but if the computer is that old some games won't work well
[15:02] <blackcatgatonegr> most modern ubuntu games need some kind of opengl acceleration, even 2d games
[16:25] <bulio> I was playing a game earlier, and my laptop locked up
[16:25] <bulio> yanked my battery, rebooted
[16:26] <bulio> now I cant get past the nvdia splash
[16:26] <bulio> screen goes blank
[16:26] <bulio> booted into a shell, checked Xorg logs
[16:26] <bulio> didnt find any errors
[17:18] <leszek> hi
[18:17] <hydro> i can't open Lubuntu software center
[18:17] <hydro> i click it and nothing happens
[18:18] <hydro> i'm going to restart
[18:21] <hydro> yah i still can't open Lubuntu software center
[18:21] <hydro> by clicking on it, is there another way to open it?
[18:22] <hydro> i'm trying to install java, should i install it through the software center or can i just use the terminal? I don't know the specific name i would need though
[18:22] <Unit193> From the terminal, should display more info as well as to why it's crashing.
[18:23] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install default-jre
[18:25] <hydro> i get this error when i try sudo apt-get install default-jre http://pastebin.com/ktC5BLwW
[18:27] <Unit193> Could try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* then sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install default-jre
[18:30] <hydro> so now i get this http://pastebin.com/1CRCYRLJ
[18:31] <hydro> should i do apt-get autoremove?
[18:31] <Unit193> You can if you want.  Alright, now dpkg -l |grep jre
[18:35] <hydro> http://pastebin.com/Sz8L8Ymk
[18:36] <hydro> i'm trying to get minecraft to run
[18:37] <smile> bye :)
[18:39] <Unit193> So with all this, what makes you think you don't have Java?
[18:40] <hydro> well i can't seem to run minecraft.jar
[18:41] <hydro> http://pastebin.com/pJR6H6g7 see?
[18:44] <Unit193> But you *clearly* have java.
[18:44] <Unit193> !xy
[18:45] <hydro> oh, i'm sorry
[18:45] <hydro> well why won't minecraft run?
[18:46] <Unit193> Change -cp to -jar
[18:46] <Unit193> (Never ran MC here)_
[18:49] <hydro> http://pastebin.com/XZtpenkZ
[18:49] <Unit193> The file is on the desktop, right? Named exactly that?
[18:50] <hydro> oh its minecraft.jar not Minecraft.jar, let me try it again
[18:52] <hydro> yes that was the problem
[18:54] <Unit193> Though, jre-7 has been reported to run better, but AFAIK is less supported.
[21:53] <doda> hi folks
[21:53] <doda> how to i add keyboard layouts in lubuntu?
[21:54] <doda> i mean
[21:55] <doda> without copying the autostart file and adding setxkbmap
[21:56] <webmind> I'd like to know how I can keep my layout config actually
[21:56] <webmind> it keeps switching back
[21:57] <doda> webmind: how did you set it up?
[21:58] <webmind> I use lxkeymap to select my layout
[21:58] <webmind> that works, until the next login
[21:58] <doda> if you edited /etc/xdg/lxsession/autostart then just copy it to ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[21:58] <doda> aha, thats wierd
[21:58] <doda> lxkeymap is not a solution
[21:59] <webmind> what is it for then?
[21:59] <doda> since most people want english latin + their own layout
[21:59] <webmind> ah
[21:59] <webmind> there is also a switcher tool I think
[21:59] <doda> webmind: first do cp /etc/xdg/lxsession/autostart ~/.config/lxsession/
[22:00] <webmind> yep, keyboardlayour switcher
[22:00] <webmind> doda, that file does not exist
[22:00] <webmind> but /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart does :)
[22:00] <doda> ah yeah :D
[22:01] <doda> ok, copy that :)
[22:01] <doda> and edit it
[22:02] <doda> add setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,some-language-code"
[22:02] <webmind> ok, should perhaps wait till later.. I just overwrote my desktop.conf
[22:02] <webmind> doda, k
[22:02] <webmind> but
[22:02] <doda> what desktop.conf?
[22:02] <webmind> you know if there will be a way to change this through the gui?
[22:03] <webmind> in ~/.config/lxsession/
[22:03] <doda> i don't know :D, i was asking the same thing :)
[22:03] <webmind> doda, have you tried the keyboardlayout switcher?
[22:04] <webmind> or is that not the problem?
[22:04] <doda> that is only an switcher, you can't set nothing there
[22:05] <webmind> ah yes
[22:05] <webmind> then I haven't found it either
[22:05] <doda> btw, if you deleted desktop.conf it will be back on next login
[22:06] <webmind> but what was in there?
[22:09] <doda> settings for the theme as a can see
[22:11] <webmind> k