[07:58] <MaNa2k> looks like i might be thrown into oil\gas sector when i start at new gig in october. Gonna be working with 5 other experiencd developers. Cant wait.
[07:59] <MaNa2k> finally something that has nothing to do with erp\accounting :P
[07:59] <MaNa2k> ops im at wrong channel lol
[12:16] <athos> I cannot recall how the issue with the last php build, where LP reported a build failure when the build was successful, was
[12:16] <athos> It seems to be happening again with 3 different arches though
[12:18] <athos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php8.1/8.1.7-1ubuntu1
[12:19] <lucaskanashiro[m> athos: I think I've seen that as well, and a build retrigger fixed it for me
[12:22] <athos> thanks lucaskanashiro :) I will re-trigger those then
[12:36] <ahasenack> athos: I synced kerberos-configs, thanks for the ping in that old salsa PR
[12:39] <athos> thanks, ahasenack!
[13:21] <athos> lucaskanashiro[m: FYI, cjwatson mentioned there is a known newtwork issue causing those "successful builds" to fail


[02:03] <pierre_> je suis soumis avec teamviewer
[03:56] <LarryFace> Hi everyone I am using Kubuntu 21.04,it is pretty.  But the plasma 5.21.5 is out,How to upgrade plasma desktop in kubuntu 21.04?? thanks much
 The devs should be staging 5.21.5 in the backports ppa fairly soon.
 https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/88.0.1/snap/ New Firefox buggfix release for Amazon Prime video and some Security fixes
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:00] <alkisg> o/
 hey
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0ePoczvh/file_43695.jpg
 This is happening when I try to install Kubuntu 21.04 dual boot with win10
 The only way is to create EFI logical partition then the kubuntu partition which ends with "cannot install grub on /dev/sda fatal error
 Didn't had any problems before
 @Velkata, it looks like your windows is in legacy mode and you have booted kubuntu in uefi mode.
 when booting select `device name` only not `UEFI : device name`
 or either you can reinstall your windows in uefi mode.
 I will try. Thanks
 👍
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Hc2XoWFR/file_43696.jpg
 What means legacy mode in windows?
 And how to fix it
 5370
 537O
 Heyo


[00:36] <ojwb> snail: -2 looked to be the most recent there when I looked earlier
[02:29] <locodir-user> so uh,  anybady here?
[02:29] <locodir-user> list
[02:29] <locodir-user> ls
[02:30] <locodir-user> ok, i tried double <tab>, but no return, so i don't any command avaliable
[02:30] <locodir-user> i'm a new student here, and i wanna join some kind of linux team
[02:31] <locodir-user> and my emil is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  anybady wanna give a hand about it?
[02:32] <locodir-user> okay, i'm kind of sleepy, have some little snap
[07:12] <mwhudson> http://ubuntu-nz.org/ is ... err?
[07:24] <ajmitch> yeah, the domain is still held by canonical though :)
[08:24] <y0gster> whats the name of that maori dance we see on rugby matches?
[08:28] <stuartyeates> y0gster: you mean a haka?
[18:25] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:54] <chilts> monring
[18:54] <chilts> indeed
[18:54] <snail> mōrena
[19:18] <Atamira> morning
[19:25] <ajmitch> morning
[19:26] <thomi> Yo
[19:36] <ojwb> morning
[22:23] <hads> morning
[22:24] <hads> ibeardslee: I have some inside knowledge that there will be more Linux laptops available soon.
[22:25] <ajmitch> hads: when do you think you'll get your hands on some raspberry pi units?
[22:26] <ibeardslee> no resellers of the raspberry pi
[22:26] <ibeardslee> you need to go direct
[22:27] <ibeardslee> I've read initially it'll be one per order/person
[22:27] <hads> ajmitch: Yeah, I was going to bring in a handful for people but they have put a stop to that for the moment, only allowing one per address.
[22:27] <hads> Resellers not until later in the year.
[22:27] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[22:28] <ibeardslee> hads: oh pray tell more /msg if necessary
[22:28] <chilts> yeah, I might buy a RaspberryPi too
[22:28] <chilts> hmm, what date do they go on sale?
[22:28] <hads> Before the end of the month sometime.
[22:28] <ibeardslee> they reckon by the end of the month
[22:29] <ibeardslee> I read the manufacture is done, then need testing and delivery
[22:29] <chilts> first batch finished on Feb 20 apparently
[22:29] <chilts> righto, cool
[22:29] <chilts> I think they'll sell out within an hour or two
[22:29] <chilts> maybe faster than the Sevens
[22:29] <chilts> (maybe not)
[22:30] <hads> THey are still being tested at the factory.
[22:31]  * ajmitch will probably have to wait until later in the year :)
[22:32] <ibeardslee> should create a txt list of sorts to let people know as soon as someone finds they are available
[22:33] <ibeardslee> I've already got my raspberry pi shop account sorted


[15:17] <mthaddon> am I misunderstanding how diff options work, or is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068140/ failing to respect -x? I'd expect it to not say that the revision file has differed
[15:20] <mthaddon> hmm, looks like it could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/268135
[15:22] <mthaddon> or maybe not
[17:38] <jelmer> mthaddon: -x takes a pattern IIRC, not a basename
[17:39] <mthaddon> jelmer: I tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068864/ as well, but that doesn't seem to work either
[17:41] <jelmer> mthaddon: ah, looks like -x doesn't work unless you specify -r
[17:41] <jelmer> and even then, only works for files *inside* of the directory arguments you pass in
[17:43] <mthaddon> jelmer: so what would I need to to exclude the revision file here? I can't seem to do it even with -r
[17:43] <mgz> jelmer: does the {relpath} config thing work with colocated branches do you recall?
[17:43] <jelmer> mthaddon: it invokes diff manually for each file, so -r is pointless
[17:44] <jelmer> mgz: it works with the bzr-colo style, not sure about the builtin ones
[17:45] <mthaddon> jelmer: sounds like there's no way of getting it to do what I'm trying to do, right? I should just go with filterdiff instead? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7068197/
[17:46] <jelmer> mthaddon: yes, I don't think it's possible at the moment with 'bzr diff'.
[17:47] <mthaddon> ok, thx


[19:22] <adom> ChinnoDog: I already get too much email. :p
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> That is not a very good argument. Email is just another medium for information delivery. Would anyone say there are so many web sites that they don't want to use it anymore? Or that there are so many TV channels that it isn't worth watching?
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> adom:


 Hey
[03:16] <guiverc> G'day @Dynobots, discussion belongs in #lubuntu-offtopic, but if you have Lubuntu development questions please just ask them & people will respond as they're able to.
 /start dino
 What exactly are you trying to start? (re @Dynobots: /start dino)
 Just a xmpl chat server I'm hosting for my windows 10 and 11 security
 This isn't the right place for that. This channel is for Lubuntu development. (re @Dynobots: Just a xmpl chat server I'm hosting for my windows 10 and 11 security)
 Okay I added ash shell to busybox menu... I'm working on a new Android 4.0 UI claim
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/73daa38d/mp4.mp4
 @Dynobots has been banned


[00:22] <BobJonkman1> azend: Yup, should be in Guelph for Ubuntu Hour
[00:25] <BobJonkman1> And I've replied to a tweet about an OSM alternative to StreetView, called OpenStreetView (what a unique, original name!) http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/osm
[00:27] <BobJonkman1> Y'all should join the Fediverse, a bunch of StatusNet servers all communicating with each other.  Like Twitter, but FLOSS, federated, and autonomous.
[00:28] <BobJonkman1> There's a list of Federated StatusNet instances at http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_Independent_Statusnet_Instances - pick one of the public subscription services and join in.
[00:29] <BobJonkman1> (I'm running http://sn.jonkman.ca intended for Jonkman Family members, but so far none of them want to be FAIF.  Don't understand what Ed Snowden was saying, I guess)
[23:49] <Nikon> hey
[23:49] <Nikon> :33
[23:50]  * genii slides Nikon a coffee
[23:50]  * Nikon thanks genii for the coffee
[23:50] <genii> Anytime :)
[23:51] <Nikon> so, i got a question
[23:51] <Nikon> i know this isnt #ubuntu but i was wondering if it would be possible to get support here
[23:52] <genii> I guess you just ask the question and see if anybody takes it up
[23:52] <Nikon> okie dokie c:
[23:53] <Nikon> i have a newer laptop with a uefi or somthing firmware/bio *forgets what it was exactly* and i want to install ubuntu
[23:53] <Nikon> is there any direction for this?
 UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[23:54] <Nikon> also, when i tried previously my computer would over heat within a few minutes
[23:54] <genii> Had to copy-paste from the bot
[23:54] <Nikon> no worries
[23:54] <Nikon> and WSOME
[23:54] <Nikon> caps lock
[23:54] <Nikon> awesome*
[23:56] <Nikon> any idea about the overheat tho?
[23:57] <genii> I would suspect nvidia gpu, but thats just a hunch
[23:57] <Nikon> narp
[23:57] <Nikon> laptop and ati


[00:19] <MTecknology> Once I finish this package is it possible for me to get it into the karmic universe or will it need to wait until lucid?
[00:32] <RAOF> MTecknology: It won't get into Karmic universe, except possibly via backports.
[00:33] <nigel_nb> maco: http://cinelerra.org/ the one I was hoping to get into the repos
[00:33] <dtchen> nigel_nb: please work with the Ubuntu Studio folks regarding cinelerra
[00:34] <dtchen> #ubuntustudio-devel
[00:34] <nigel_nb> dtchen: oh, its already there?
[00:34] <dtchen> there isn't sense in duplicating work
[00:35] <nigel_nb> dtchen: true. thanks :)
[00:38] <MTecknology> RAOF: When it's finished how do I get it into universe?
[00:39] <RAOF> MTecknology: Upload a candidate package to revu, where it'll (hopefully) be reviewed - however, reviewer's time is limited.
[00:39] <RAOF> MTecknology: Bonus points for submitting the package to Debian as well - mentors.debian.net is what you're after there.
[00:40] <MTecknology> RAOF: Can I upload the candidate to revu or do I need to get temporarily into that team?
[00:40] <RAOF> You upload the candidate to revu.
[00:41] <RAOF> Anyone can upload there.
[00:41] <MTecknology> here? revu.ubuntuwire.com
[00:42] <MTecknology> I thought you meant something like ~revu
[00:42] <RAOF> No, revu.ubuntuwire.com
[00:52] <MTecknology> RAOF: thanks; I'm all setup for when I'm ready for that point :)
[01:01] <dtchen> this "is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?" thread is depressing
[01:02] <dtchen> the implication seems to be that people already involved in development are not doing enough
[01:02] <syn-ack> dtchen, which one is that?
[01:03] <directhex> dtchen, little kids these days feel a sense of entitlement to everything, instantly. i blame the internet
[01:03] <directhex> dtchen, they are entitled to 56 hours a week of your time, no less
[01:04] <dtchen> syn-ack: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-December/010186.html
[01:04] <ajmitch> directhex: I thought the minimum requirement to be a developer was 168 hours a week?
[01:05] <ajmitch> the slight exaggerations about apt-get being more or less unusable on 64-bit systems doesn't help the cause
[01:05] <syn-ack> Pardon my french but no shit is it taking a "long time" with what they're trying to do
[01:06] <RAOF> My guess: that bug would get more attention if there hadn't been a huge debian-devel flamefest about the package being totally broken.
[01:06] <syn-ack> I wouldn't really even consider that bug
[01:06] <RAOF> Also, it's a hack until multiarch support workse.
[01:07] <syn-ack> I mean, it *is* but still
[01:07] <ajmitch> also, is ia32-libs-tools the right package? it was removed from karmic
[01:07] <directhex> dtchen, sounds like you need a killfile to help filter out that kind of thing from your inbox before it falls under your eyeballs
[01:07] <RAOF> ajmitch: It probably is the right package.
[01:07] <RAOF> The guy was complaining about Jaunty, IIRC.
[01:08] <ajmitch> RAOF: so it's fixed in karmic, close the bug! :)
[01:08] <RAOF> Good point!
[01:08] <dtchen> bddebian: hi! thanks for the work on experimental's libsdl1.2. I think there's a stray Depends for libsdl1.2-dev in debian/control, though.
[01:11] <dtchen> bddebian: because experimental doesn't build-dep on libglu1-mesa-dev, it seems odd to have it listed as a dep for libsdl1.2-dev
[01:12] <dtchen> bddebian: If you prefer, I can do the BTS drill :-)
[01:20] <syn-ack> Not to dwell, but I don't believe I ever had that issue with apt-get on Jaunty
[01:21] <syn-ack> anyway. hrm
[01:32] <RAOF> syn-ack: You wouldn't unless you'd installed the package that diverts apt-get in order to download the i386 packages files and convert them to amd64 packages files.
[01:32] <RAOF> Man.  That sentence could have been better written.
[01:35] <syn-ack> It could have but I get it
[01:35] <syn-ack> anyway bbiab
[01:40] <ajmitch> RAOF: the package that was a nasty collection of hacks?
[01:49] <RAOF> ajmitch: Yes, exactly
[02:09] <MTecknology> RAOF: even if the revu-uploaders team isn't used anymore; can I still join the team so I can have that pretty icon?
[02:10] <RAOF> MTecknology: Quite possibly?  Is it an open team?
[02:11] <MTecknology> RAOF: restricted
[02:15] <MTecknology> RAOF: I was just wondering if somebody could add me to it;
[02:15] <MTecknology> RAOF: actually, I often wonder why some of these teams aren't just deleted
[02:15] <RAOF> I'm not sure if it's used anymore; as such, I won't be touching it.
[02:15] <MTecknology> like ~revo
[02:15] <MTecknology> ~revu*
[02:18] <MTecknology> siretart: you around?
[02:27] <foxmike> h
[03:06] <sbalneav> Hey all, I tried asking this before but my lines were being trimmed, so I'll break this up...
[03:06] <sbalneav> I'm both upstream for sabayon, and the packager here in Ubuntu...
[03:07] <sbalneav> When I was doing my testing, I was creating an "upstream" tarball, which in retrospect, I should have called sabayon-xx-prerelease, but instead I was just using the number it was going to have.
[03:08] <sbalneav> I've now actually had the official tarball released through gnome.org, but just before release, news and readme was updated.
[03:09] <sbalneav> So now, when I go to rebuild the package, of course, it complains the tarball's different when I dput, though it's the same name.
[03:09] <sbalneav> is there anyway to delete the tarball from my ppa?
[03:09] <sbalneav> I've already deleted the package.
[03:09] <sbalneav> but no-go so far.
[03:11] <dtchen> crazy versioning tricks are possible
[03:11] <dtchen> e.g., + , epoch, etc.
[03:12] <dtchen> more detail (e.g., the actual versions involved) is necessary
[03:12] <micahg> sbalneav: I think there's a .upload file in the directory where you uploaded the .dsc
[03:13] <sbalneav> ok, the tarball I need to ditch from launchpad is sabayon_2.29.2.orig.tar.gz
[03:13] <sbalneav> micahg: Yeah, I deleted that.  it's complaining about the file on launchpad itself.
[03:14] <sbalneav> somehow it's still hanging about somewhere.
[03:14] <micahg> sbalneav: it can take a little while for LP to delete all the files
[03:14] <sbalneav> ah, ok, so maybe try again in a bit?
[03:15] <micahg> sbalneav: yeah, idk if they made it so that the .orig.tar.gz is never deleted though
[03:17] <sbalneav> Well, this was a few hours ago.  I just got back from my son's christmas concert, so I'll give it a go
[03:21]  * sbalneav slides micahg a beer
[03:21] <sbalneav> Yup that was it.
[03:21] <sbalneav> Patience, virtue, etc.
[03:22]  * micahg offers the beer to someone who needs it :)
[03:22]  * micahg thanks sbalneav graciously
[03:26] <sbalneav> NP!
[03:26] <micahg> how long should I wait before poking someone about approving a package in -proposed?
[03:26] <micahg> approving a sponsored upload that is
[03:45] <pting> so i uploaded a custom php5 ppa deb, but for some reason, i'm getting an error that i'm unsure of how to fix... issuing an apt-get install php5-fpm... i get this... php5-fpm: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.3~ppa1) but 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.3 is to be installed
[03:46] <micahg> pting: there must be an exact version depends in debian/control
[03:48] <pting> micahg, thanks, i'll double check it
[03:50] <tbielawa> #/join #ubuntu-server
[03:51] <persia> pting: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.3 is newer than 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.3~ppa1
[03:51] <persia> (try dpkg --compare-versions)
[03:51] <persia> You'll need to either clean up and install both, or create a version that is newer than the default (perhaps use '+' instead of '~')
[03:56] <jdong> all you fancy rosetta people, wrt bug 386683, is it safe to handle as a SRU as proposed?
[03:56] <jdong> or is there some magical procedure to follow to update strings?
[03:57] <pting> persia, hum, thanks, i'll try the '+' replacement
[04:19] <pting> so when repackaging a deb with some patches, is it customary to increase the version and add that ~ppaN or keep the same version but use a '+'?
[04:20] <pting> i guess the docs suggest increasing that suffix version number
[04:21] <ScottK> Depends on your goal.
[04:21] <micahg> pting: here's the LP suggested docs: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[04:25] <pting> my goal is just to patch in php-fpm into the current stable php5... dreamcat4 has already created it for an older version (5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu3~pre18), i'm just trying to patch it again the latest
[04:28] <persia> pting: My recommendation would be to use ${VERSION}-${REVISION}+${EXTRAREVISION} if you're packaging customisations for limited distribution and stuff, and reserve the use of '~' for cases where you're looking for testing (or similar) as a candidate for pushing into the archive.
[04:33] <pting> persia, thanks, that sounds good
[04:34] <micahg> persia: are you an archive admin?
[04:34] <persia> micahg: I am not.  You can check the membership of the team on LP.
[04:34] <micahg> ok
[04:35] <persia> micahg: For what do you need an archive admin?
[04:36] <micahg> oh, I have something that someone sponsored to -proposed and was wondering if I can get it released to -proposed
[04:36] <persia> Oh.  How long have you been waiting?
[04:36] <micahg> it's only been in there 5 days
[04:37] <ScottK> micahg: Is it a Universe package and if so,  did motu-sru approve it?
[04:37] <micahg> yes and I think so
[04:37] <ScottK> What bug?
[04:37] <micahg> bug 477513
[04:39] <persia> People still use uim?
[04:40] <micahg> idk, but I have a feeling it's responsible for quite a few crashes
[04:40] <persia> My understanding was that it had been mostly abandoned upstream
[04:40]  * persia goes to investigate
[04:40] <micahg> but apport has been broke, so I couldn't have people submit their crashes
[04:40] <micahg> persia: a new version was just migrated to debian testing
[04:41] <ScottK> micahg: It's motu-sru approved.  I can accept it.
[04:42] <persia> With lots of new stuff too.  Wow!  I hadn't looked at uim since Feisty or so.
[04:42] <micahg> ugh, it really isn't that used...
[04:42] <micahg> but I still have a suspicion
[04:42] <micahg> thanks ScottK
[04:47] <ScottK> micahg: Done.
[04:47] <micahg> thanks :)
[04:48] <persia> ScottK: On a related note: what's the current status of merging the SRU teams?
[04:48] <ScottK> persia: Decision has been made to do it, specifics TBD.
[04:48] <persia> Then I didn't miss anything :)
[04:49] <ScottK> In the intermin, I've decided to view the lack of mention of motu-sru on the SRU process page as a documentation bug.
[04:49] <ScottK> intermin/interim
[04:49] <micahg> oh, are we still supposed to subscribe motu-sru?
[04:49] <persia> I prefer to think of it as a organisational bug (as in the fix is to merge the teams rather than change the docs)
[05:02] <jdong> persia: pitti sent out mail with intent to merge everyone into ubuntu-sru
[05:02] <jdong> however, it hasn't been done yet
[05:02] <jdong> indeed, micahg, for now if you want attention to be paid, you should continue to subscribe motu-sru
[05:02] <micahg> jdong: ok, I'll fix my other bug
[05:02] <ScottK> jdong: lmms is still sitting there from before release, btw....
[05:03] <micahg> jdong: bug 455089 in case you're interested
[05:04] <jdong> ScottK: from my viewpoint we're still waiting for verification procedure or a good reason why to do it
[05:05] <ScottK> OK
[05:14] <ScottK> jdong: Would you please look at Bug 458129 - it's uploaded already
[05:16] <jdong> ScottK: acked
[05:17] <ScottK> jdong: Bug 491522 too.
[05:18] <syn-ack> Anyone in here have skype account that wouldnt mind giving me a ring? I think I just nailed down the profile
[05:18] <syn-ack> the apparmor profile that is
[05:19] <syn-ack> I've got it running and all that but I want to make sure that everything still works as far as audio and the like
[05:19] <jdong> ScottK: also taken care of
[05:19] <micahg> jdong: I did ubuntu2 because there was no ubuntu2 in lucid...is it always supposed to be a dot release for SRU?
[05:19] <jdong> micahg: yes please
[05:19] <micahg> jdong: got it
[05:21] <micahg> jdong: is it proper to delete old versions of patches (that's what I've been doing)
[05:21] <ScottK> jdong: Up to date now.  Thanks.
[05:21] <jdong> micahg: you don't have to...
[05:21] <jdong> personally I've preferred for and previously asked for the original bug description to include the latest debdiff intended for review linked.
[05:21] <jdong> but if it's obvious from scrolling down what debdiff is the one to review that's a moot point
[05:22] <micahg> jdong: so if I do v1, v2, v3, that's ok
[05:22] <jdong> it gets somewhat irritating for those huge bugs with 100 comments to have to read all of the chatter to find the right patch.
[05:22] <jdong> micahg: yeah that's entirely fine by me
[05:22] <jdong> we're humans :)
[05:22] <micahg> jdong: one nice feature of bugzilla is that you can mark a patch obsolete
[05:24] <micahg> anyone feel like sponsoring an upload? :)
[05:27] <paultag> Any MOTU around to hand-walk me through a question?
[05:27] <paultag> ( regarding control / control.in )
[05:27] <paultag> I'ts simple, I promise ;)
[05:29] <ScottK> paultag: Your odds of getting an answer to a question go up if you ask it.
[05:31] <paultag> Fair enough. Not familiar with MOTU protocol, so I wanted to test first. I'm trying to learn a bit more about control files -- am I able to use variables in a control file ( like ${shlibs:Depends} ) as one was able to do with control.in ?
[05:32] <paultag> ScottK, ^ ( sorry, forgot the ping )
[05:32] <ScottK> That one, yes.
[05:33] <paultag> ScottK, OK. Is there any difference except that of ascetics with control vs control.in ?
[05:33] <paultag> are *
[05:33] <ScottK> All the ${stuff here} ) variables are usable.
[05:33] <paultag> Outstanding. Thank you ScottK :)
[05:34] <ScottK> I'm not a fan of control.in.  I think that if you're changing your control file, you ought to do it on purpose.
[05:34] <paultag> ScottK, Yeah, I'm working with upstream deb, and I asked to take on a bit of a role in the package. I'm moving it from control.in to control now
[05:35] <paultag> Now, to figure out git >:)
[05:36] <paultag> thanks for all the help ScottK :)
[06:02] <tbielawa> Howdy ya'll. I would appreciate any feedback. Jaunty libvirt ftbfs for me using dpkg-buildpackage. http://pastebin.com/m15c980f4  However, if I run the autogen.sh script in the base directory before I run the dpkg scripts I can build it without error.
[06:02] <tbielawa> I'm wonder if this is unusual behavior? I didn't find mention of it in any bug reports or package notes....
[06:04] <tbielawa> The errors are clearly happening within the libtool system, however in a new pbuilder and on my regular shell it won't build without running ./autogen.sh first.... :-\
[06:04] <jmarsden> I'll try it here (are you building Jaunty libvirt on Jaunty, or on Karmic or Lucid?)
[06:05] <tbielawa> building lp:ubuntu/jaunty-updates/libvirt on 9.04
[06:05] <tbielawa> thanks jmarsden for taking a peek
[06:06] <jmarsden> No problem... firing up Jaunty server VM, I switched my host OS on this desktop to Karmic last week...
[06:08] <tbielawa> I'd like to get Bug #368084 closed. I was able to backport the patch for libvirt 0.6.5 to 0.6.1 (Jaunty version).
[06:09] <tbielawa> Now that I've got the package building (took longer than backporting the patch) I'll be able to test it out and get some resolution on this issue, hopefully.
[06:14] <jmarsden> Actually it looks like livirt doe build-depend on autoconf and automake, so using them (via autogen or manually) during the build should work if you end up really needing them...
[06:15] <tbielawa> Hmmm
[06:16] <tbielawa> Policy (4.9) says the build target should "perform all the configuration and compilation of the package"
[06:16] <jmarsden> OK, first I'm building libvirt 1.6.1 from the source package to make sure *that* works for me, then I'll try your version.
[06:17] <jmarsden> tbielawa: RIght, so it can call autoreconf or whatever it needs to, to do that.
[06:18] <tbielawa> What' I'm getting at is that it doesn't do that nor document any required interactive pre-build actions. Is this something worth filing a bug and submitting patches for?
[06:20] <tbielawa> jmarsden: you meant 0.6.1, correct?
[06:20] <jmarsden> well... that depends; it the current unpatched version builds from source, then it does enough preparation for itself so there is no bug in it.
[06:21] <tbielawa> I was just thinking of a bug in the packaging, just a missed step, not upstream
[06:22] <jmarsden> But it's not a packaging bug if the package (as in the 0.6.1-0ubuntu5.1 package) does not need it... it would only be a bug in *your* new pacakage, if that one does need it... do you see what I mean?
[06:23] <jmarsden> And 0.6.1-0ubuntu5.1 builds for me just fine after apt-get source and then cd and debuild -us -uc, no special effort needed with autogen or anything.
[06:23] <jmarsden> Now to try your patched version...
[06:24] <tbielawa> I wonder why I couldn't get 0ubuntu5.1 to build even in a pbuilder.... that's confusing. i'll get a link to my patch in a jiffy
[06:24] <tbielawa> http://csee.wvu.edu/~tbielawa/fix-missing-qemu-img.patch
[06:25] <tbielawa> Thanks for confirming that the current packaged version compiles correctly
[06:27] <jmarsden> tbielawa: OK... I was going to get the patched version from bzr but need to set up the bzr launchpad stuff in the VM to do that, because lzr is braindead about requiring lp logins even for read access... grr...
[06:27] <tbielawa> that bazaar branch I linked is the official branch
[06:27] <tbielawa> it's what I was attempting to build. I was assuming it was == libvirt in -updates
[06:28] <tbielawa> when I apt-get source I am able to build without autogen. different behavior from the LP branch
[06:29] <jmarsden> well, looks like it may not be set up to be == libvirt in updates.  Some projects do expect you tpo run autogen when compiling from version control, but not when compiling from release tarballs.
[06:30] <tbielawa> what you're saying then follows exactly in line with policy. when packaged the interactive steps were taken care of
[06:30] <tbielawa> that was eye opening. I didn't know that before. :)
[06:34] <jmarsden> Right.  I don't know for sure that is how all or most or most Ubuntu etc projects do it, only that some I am a part of which are only very loosely linked to Ubuntu do it :)
[06:35] <jmarsden> Looks like your patch edits some autoconf created files, which is triggering the issues you are seeing.
[06:35] <jmarsden> Did that patch get created on a Jaunty machine or on some other distro with a different autoconf version?
[06:36] <tbielawa> The patch comes from here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00615.html most of it applied without rejection. I had to apply two hunks by hand.
[06:38] <jmarsden> Ah... there is some sort of autoconf/libtool intgration in the build process.  If I apt-get install libtool on the build host, it tries to fix things up and gets a lot further with the build...
[06:39] <siretart> MTecknology: yes, but i also *do* read email :-)
[06:41] <tbielawa> I'm going to try adding my patch to the quilt series and building from an apt-get source (0.6.1-0ubuntu5.1)
[06:41] <tbielawa> I've successfully built with my patch in the quilt series on a branch from -updates after running ./autogen
[06:42] <jmarsden> tbielawa: I think that will be easier than starting from the bzr tree, from what I have tried here.
[06:43] <tbielawa> jmarsden: I agree, I lost hours of my day attempting to do that before I tried autogen
[06:43] <jmarsden> :)  There may be some piece of bzr magic neither of us know that would take care of this... I just don't know.
[06:44] <jmarsden> At least you now have a new direction... which may waste a few more of your hours :)
[06:44] <tbielawa> I think it's about done actually.
[06:44] <tbielawa> Just need to do some testing.
[06:45] <jmarsden> Cool.  have fun... Glad to have (somewhat indirectly) helped :)
[06:45] <tbielawa> Maybe you could take a look at this too and tell me what I can do to get action taken on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbzip2/+bug/363793
[06:46] <tbielawa> I hate to see a patch not get acted on. That patch has been tested heavily in my work place. We're rolling out 14 GB compress virtual disk images to labs of machines with my fixed version
[06:50] <jmarsden> tbielawa: Well, that's only a patch, not a debdiff, so the next step for that bug would be to package the software with the patch, create a debdiff, upload the debdiff to the bug, etc etc.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[06:51] <tbielawa> right on. I forgot about that part. You've been quite helpful. This should provide a few more hours of entertainment for me tonight :)
[06:51] <jmarsden> No problem :)
[07:18] <porthose> slangasek, ping, would you please have a look at bug #486157 :)
[07:32] <slangasek> porthose: hi - not tonight, but I've assigned it to myself to look at tomorrow
[07:33] <porthose> slangasek, ty :)
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <persia> dholbach: The next MC meeting is moving to January?  I thought we were having one Friday first.
[08:04] <dholbach> hey persia
[08:04] <persia> Good morning :)
[08:04] <dholbach> persia: oops
[08:04] <dholbach> you're right
[08:05] <persia> And you're fast.  You fixed it before I had a chance to edit it :)
[08:05] <dholbach> restored
[08:06] <dholbach> I had it in firefox' awesomebar - most of the time I was waiting for moin to restore the old version :)
[08:22] <micahg> mr_pouit: here's a link to the changelog...I tried to match previous styles: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36615770/xfce4-power-manager_0.8.4-1ubuntu1.1~karmic~ppa1_source.changes
[08:36] <nigel_nb> dholbach: how often does harvest get updated?
[08:36] <dholbach> nigel_nb: it could be that it's a bit broken at the momen - I really hope we can soon move to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Harvest/NewUI
[08:36] <dholbach> nigel_nb: the new code will be much easier to maintain
[08:37] <dholbach> but I'll have a look and see what I can do
[08:37] <nigel_nb> dholbach: thank you :)
[08:37] <nigel_nb> just hunting for low hanging bugs
[08:37] <nigel_nb> but I just realized, most of them got plucked :P
[08:38] <dholbach> nigel_nb: there was a problem with its db, I'll rerun the script and everything, will let you know once it's down
[08:39] <nigel_nb> thanks again :)
[08:39] <dholbach> no worries
[09:00] <stochastic> can anyone point me to a waf build system package off the top of their heads?
[09:00] <stochastic> (i.e. one that uses waf to be built)
[09:03] <persia> gnome-format, kupfer, ejecter, and cgmail all look like likely candidates (reverse-build-depends is a lovely tool)
[09:03] <stochastic> thanks persia
[09:36] <dholbach> nigel_nb: done
[09:36] <dholbach> (was out for walking the dog in the meantime)
[12:20] <Quintasan|Szel> Hi there, I have sent my application to MOTU but the next meeting is Friday 7 UTC and it's impossible to for me to attend (school) would it be possible to move meeting to an later hour?
[12:22] <geser> Quintasan|Szel: which time would you suit?
[12:23] <Quintasan|Szel> hmm I'm in Poland, so hmm thant would be 14 UTC
[12:23] <Quintasan|Szel> or later
[12:32] <geser> dholbach: ^^?
[12:32] <dholbach> geser: sure, we can try to attempt an adhoc meeting if we get quorum together
[12:33] <soren> I'm much more likely to make 14 UTC than 7 UTC, FWIW.
[12:33] <dholbach> I'll be there at 14 utc anyway, I have a call two hours later iirc
[12:34] <geser> Quintasan|Szel: ^^ is that ok with you?
[12:35] <dholbach> so we'll try to get quorum together and see wha thappens
[12:36] <Quintasan|Szel> geser: okay
[12:38] <Quintasan|Szel> Thanks for postponing it :)
[12:39] <dholbach> Quintasan|Szel: we'll have the meeting at 7 anyway
[12:39] <dholbach> just do an additional one, if we get enough people together
[12:40] <Quintasan|Szel> dholbach: ah, so that's how it, anyways thanks :)
[12:40] <dholbach> no worries
[12:41] <soren> Err... How do I force bzr to push even though I have uncommitted changes?
[12:41] <soren> Ah, --no-strict
[12:55] <randomaction> there's a package (libjcalendar-java) for which the debian-ubuntu delta is a change of "Recommends: mozilla | www-browser" to "Recommends: www-browser". Can this be dropped?
[12:55] <randomaction> mozilla is a dummy package depending on seamonkey
[12:57] <randomaction> IMO having this alternative doesn't hurt
[13:01] <geser> on one hand it would prefer seamonkey to any other browser if none is installed, but this case is unlikely
[13:02] <geser> if we keep this delta it should be replaced with "firefox | www-browser"
[13:04] <randomaction> it was probably the intention of the packager anyway to install seamonkey in no browser is present
[13:07] <geser> yes, but Debian and Ubuntu might have different defaults
[13:09] <Laney> wouldn't it be best to fix mozilla then?
[13:11] <randomaction> the thing is, mozilla doesn't exist in Debian, so it's not default there
[14:46] <alkisg> While testing a debconf script, how can I select a different debconf frontend? (e.g. with an environment variable or something...)
[14:48] <alkisg> Ah, found it, $DEBIAN_FRONTEND :)
[14:48] <hyperair> man debconf has some interesting things as well
[14:51] <alkisg> I've read the man page, but I can't run my script with debconf in front, I don't know why
[14:51] <alkisg> It runs fine if I do: ./my-script though
[14:52] <alkisg> So I'm not able to put command line parameters to debconf...
[14:56]  * ScottK lol's at http://www.sirena.org.uk/log/2009/12/09/oh-dear/
[15:08] <persia> alkisg: Assuming you're testing a maintainer script, I find it easiest to repeatedly install, configure, uninstall, and purge the package with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer and watching the syslog.  You can manipulate DEBCONF_FRONTEND for the shell that you're using to manipulate the package (which is also the shell in which you want to set DEBCONF_DEBUG)
[15:09] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:10] <highvoltage> hey bddebian
[15:10] <alkisg> Thanks, `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer ./sch-client.config` is fine for me so far, I'll keep that in mind for later on :)
[15:10] <persia> Err, s/DEBCONF_FRONTEND/DEBIAN_FRONTEND/
[15:10] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[15:14] <geser> Hi bddebian
[15:14] <bddebian> Heya geser
[15:23] <sebner> huhu geser bddebian
[15:27] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[15:32] <mok0> ScottK: why is bug 400839 in the sponsor queue?
[15:33] <ScottK> mok0: I don't recall.  I believe I asked cemc to put it there rather than sponsor it myself so he could get wider exposure among the MOTU.
[15:33] <mok0> ScottK: so this is a request for testing the app?
[15:34] <mok0> ScottK: AFAICS you've already uploaded it
[15:35] <ScottK> mok0: You are correct.  I unsubscribed the sponsors.
[15:35] <ScottK> mok0: Normally fix release stuff stays subscribed since it doesn't show up in the default search.
[15:36] <mok0> ScottK: perhaps there should be a special queue for "please test" requests?
[15:36] <mok0> ScottK: everyone could help out there
[15:36] <MTecknology> Can you guys give me an opinion on how I could handle getting this into the repos without breaking any licensing? bug 120434 - I created the package but there's nothing to handle that in there.
[15:36] <ScottK> We used to have a policy of announcing Universe SRUs on ubuntu-motu ML.
[15:37] <randomaction> mok0: re bug 494384, I agree that the changes are really small, I sent them to Debian, but the package is orphaned so no idea when it'll be incorporated
[15:37] <mok0> ScottK: sure. But it's the sort of thing that other users could help doing
[15:37] <mok0> randomaction: ah
[15:37] <ScottK> mok0: I agree.  IIRC there are some resources for this on qa.ubuntuwire.com that could use wider visibility.
[15:37] <ScottK> randomaction: Talk to bddebian about getting them uploaded.
[15:38] <mok0> ScottK: There could be an LP team that everyone could join
[15:38] <bddebian> randomaction: What package?
[15:38] <ScottK> mok0: Perhaps.  I agree it's a problem.  I don't have a strong opinion on how best to solve it.
[15:38] <mok0> ScottK: alternatively, we should change the workflow so it's like the Unstable -> Testing repo
[15:39] <mok0> s/should/could
[15:39] <randomaction> bddebian: tix, our delta is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449786
[15:39] <bddebian> Hmm, I think I have a new upstream for tix but was having some problems :(
[15:39] <bddebian> Yeah I have an 8.4.3 package but I don't have all the patches merged in yet :(
[15:40] <bddebian> randomaction: Want to finish my work? :)
[15:41] <randomaction> bddebian: well, if I can
[15:43] <bddebian> http://people.debian.org/~bdefreese/tix/tix_8.4.3-1.dsc
[15:44] <randomaction> any pointers on what needs to be done?
[15:45] <mok0> ScottK: I testran gurlchecker and it failed my quality requirements.
[15:45] <bddebian> randomaction: I think all that needs done is checking/updating all of the patches
[15:45] <bddebian> From the current version
[15:45] <randomaction> I'll look into it
[15:46] <mok0> randomaction, bddebian, I just uploaded Tix 8.4.0-7ubuntu1, so there's no rush
[15:46] <ScottK> mok0: What happened?
[15:47] <mok0> ScottK: it crashed :-)
[15:47] <ScottK> cemc: ^^^
[15:47] <ScottK> That's not good.
[15:47] <randomaction> mok0: thanks, we're talking new upstream version
[15:47] <bddebian> mok0: Sure, I just hate leaving packages I started out there :(   :)
[15:48] <mok0> randomaction, bddebian, great, tix is an important package, hope it gets a maintainer
[15:48] <mok0> randomaction: what about tclx btw?
[15:48] <mok0> bddebian: ^^
[15:51] <mok0> ScottK: wait, let me be 100% certain I'm using the version in -proposed
[15:51] <bddebian> mok0: Feel free to maintain it! :)
[15:51] <mok0> bddebian: is it orphaned too?
[15:53] <Laney> hey bddebian
[15:53] <Laney> can you QA poke 521722?
[15:53] <nigel_nb> dholbach: thank you :) (was asleep :))
[15:53] <dholbach> :)
[15:54] <bddebian> mok0: I was talking about tix still
[15:54] <bddebian> Laney: Heya, let me take a look
[15:54] <Laney> ta
[15:54] <mok0> bddebian: ah :-)
[15:54] <mok0> bddebian: I have no personal interest in tix (anymore). But I know it's widely used
[15:58] <bddebian> Laney: Not much I can do about that one unfortunately since it has a maintainer that isn't MIA :(
[15:59] <Laney> guh
[15:59] <Laney> he has been active?
[15:59] <bddebian> Well only on ML, he hasn't uploaded since Oct 2008 :(
[15:59] <Laney> hmm
[16:02] <mok0> ScottK: Sorry I goofed up: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gurlchecker/+bug/400839/comments/11
[16:03] <mok0> BBL
[16:07] <bddebian> Laney: I'm asking around in the QA group.  Unfortunately since morph stepped down, I don't think too many people are doing MIA stuff. :(
[16:08] <Laney> bddebian: yeah, that was a bit sad :( It's quite important imo
[16:16] <alkisg> When are package.config scripts ran? "automatically" when I use dpkg-preconfigure, and also "automatically" when I source confmodule from my postinst?
[16:27] <randomaction> aha, Debian finally got gcc4.4 by default!
[16:36] <postalchris> Anybody free to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=cvc3 ?
[16:51] <postalchris> Am I going about things the wrong way here? How am I supposed to move my package forward on REVU?
[16:53] <ScottK> postalchris: No, but there's just a lot more demand for MOTU to review stuff than there are MOTU to review it.
[16:53] <ScottK> postalchris: You might consider maintaining your package in Debian.  See mentors.debian.net for details.
[16:55] <postalchris> ScottK: That's understandable. I thought Ubuntu -> Debian was an easier path than Debian -> Ubuntu though
[16:55] <ScottK> postalchris: It varies.
[16:56] <ScottK> postalchris: Debian -> Ubuntu is automatic once it gets into Debian.
[16:57] <postalchris> ScottK: It looks like Debian has streamlined their process since the last time I looked.
[16:58] <postalchris> ScottK: It used to be "hang out on the mailing list and try to find a sponsor" right? (Which is kind of like "hang out on #ubuntu-motu and try to find a reviewer" now that I think about it ;-)
[17:01] <highvoltage> has there been any discussions at UDS or otherwise on Chromium and whether that would be included in universe for lucid?
[17:06] <ScottK> It will probably be in Main.
[18:57] <slangasek> porthose: ping
[21:20] <rjnienaber> is there any guidance for packaging a python program?
[21:20] <ScottK> rjnienaber: Yes.
[21:21] <ScottK> rjnienaber: That draft policy in http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/12/msg00009.html is the best document available for Python specific packaging questions.
[21:21] <ScottK> That/The
[21:23] <rjnienaber> cool, i'll give it a read
[21:23] <POX> + /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz
[21:23] <rjnienaber> i assume there's no salient information in the diff part of that email?
[21:26] <dfarning> RainCT, Do you have time for some questions about packaging sugar for ubuntu?
[21:29] <ScottK> rjnienaber: No.
[21:30] <rjnienaber> cool, i'll skip over that section
[21:33] <RainCT> dfarning: In a while, I'm finishing some homework right now (unless it's short questions, then I can answer them now, or somebody else here may also be able to help).
[21:34] <RainCT> dfarning: I've got your e-mail, btw. I plan to send the Debian guy a mail to try to coordinate with him.
[21:37] <dfarning> RainCT, Ok thanks.  In the meantime I'll try to learn more about getting  abiword 2.8 into backports.
[21:41]  * RainCT wonders why packages.ubuntu.com is outdated by at least one week
[21:41] <RainCT> ah, abiword 2.8 hasn't build yet for any arch
[21:43]  * sebner is wondering why RainCT is wondering :P
[21:43] <dfarning> RainCT, we are carrying a hacked up version in our ppa at https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive/0.86/+packages
[21:43] <RainCT> sebner: I like that a lot, I wonder why you don't find wondering great :)
[21:44] <sebner> heh
[21:47] <porthose> slangasek, pong, sorry I was AFK, I agree with your comment and now understand what your looking for :)  I will make the needed changes, I don't have time right now, but I will jump on it later tonight ty :)
[21:55] <RainCT> dfarning: I'm not sure, but I think only stuff in newer Ubuntu releases can be backported, so you'd need to get it working in Lucid first.  (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
[21:59] <dfarning> RainCT, just figured that out:-/  I am looking for why libpsiconv-dev, an abiword dependancy, is failing to build in lucid.
[22:02] <geser> dfarning: it looks like libpsiconv-dev build correctly (both binaries and source are in sync)
[22:03] <geser> the problem is: abiword is main while libpsiconv-dev is in universe -> MIR is needed
[22:10] <dfarning> geser, RainCT I needed to look up MIR.  It looks like my next step is file an MIR ticket.
[22:10] <geser> !mir
[22:11] <dfarning> !mir
[22:11] <dfarning> cool
[22:16] <geser> dfarning: an alternative would be to check if abiword can be build without libpsiconv-dev
[22:46] <RainCT> dfarning: OK so what questions do you have?
[22:50] <RainCT> dfarning: (Won't stay long though, I've to wake up in 6 hours. But I'll be around tomorrow starting at 16h UTC+1)
[22:52] <dfarning> RainCT, The biggest question is should we base off of the Debain packages.
[22:54] <RainCT> dfarning: Yeah, I'd be great if we can do that.
[22:55] <dfarning> Ok, I'll try to build them in a ppa.
[22:57] <dfarning> RainCT, What about submitting inclusion request for Sugar- stuff, should we try to get all of the dependency like abiwrord done first, before we even worry about the sugar stuff?
[23:01] <RainCT> dfarning: Well, you can already start submitting those packages which already have all dependencies fulfilled. In any case, getting them into Ubuntu is likely to take some time (which is one of the reasons why working in Debian is better, if we find someone interested there it may be much faster).
[23:05] <dfarning> RainCT, Ok, I'll do a dependency graph.  I'll let you see if you can establish a relationship with the debian maintainer.
[23:06] <RainCT> dfarning: How many packages is the Sugar stuff? Those 30 in the PPA?
[23:08] <dfarning> RainCT, yes the packages starting with sugar in https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive/0.86
[23:09] <dfarning> RainCT, glucose, fructose, and platform are meta packages


[03:21] <zul> morning
[03:39] <kylem> morning.
[07:01] <zul> BenC: ping
[07:01] <BenC> zul: pong
[07:01] <zul> BenC: it looks like there is a coupld of problems with xen 3.0.4 freezing, i think we should stick with 3.0.3 and backport the framebuffer stuff
[07:02] <BenC> zul: sounds good
[07:02] <zul> because basically all what 3.0.4 is framebuffer, kexec and ia64
[07:04] <zul> http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-12/msg00691.html
[07:05] <zul> and then we can just use the patch for 2.6.19 from redhat
[08:27] <zul> is there a way to mangle kernel-package so it overries the default names in the control file?
[09:06] <kinema> I'm interested in a kernel patched with the d80211/devicescape/wireless-dev tree and was wondering if I would need to compile a custom kernel or if there might be something already availiable.
[09:36] <BenC> kinema: I'm hoping to have it integrated with feisty soon
[09:37] <mjg59> BenC: I sent you that patch and everything :p
[09:37] <BenC> I know, I need to get it in there :P
[09:37] <mjg59> Ha
[09:37] <kinema> BenC: You are a truly wonderful person.
[09:38] <kinema> Overworked and underpaid I'm sure.
[09:38] <BenC> thanks, but mjg59 did all the actual work...I'm just the procrastinator who'll eventually integrate it with the kernel image :)
[09:38] <kinema> Well then I retract my statement and redirect it towards mjg59.
[09:39] <lifeless> BenC: ignore my question from the other day - my hardware is fucked.
[09:40] <BenC> lifeless: excellent
[09:40] <zul> BenC: you just collect the spew
[09:40] <BenC> well, not for you, but for the bug
[09:41] <lifeless> BenC: :)
[09:41] <lifeless> BenC: dell are replacing the motherboard and ram today hopefully. So excellent for me too. :)
[09:42] <Mithrandir> BenC: speaking of kernel patches, it seems like the console switching one that mjg59 talked about some time ago wasn't removed in the latest upload?
[09:42] <BenC> Mithrandir: removed?
[09:42] <Mithrandir> the patch was to remove some console switching calls on resume.
[09:42] <BenC> I did add a patch that disabled the console handling by power-management
[09:42] <Mithrandir> hmm
[09:43] <Mithrandir> then why doesn't it appear to work on my laptop.
[09:43] <BenC> It's in -5.7
[09:43] <BenC> make sure you have -5.7 and not -4.6
[09:43] <Mithrandir> ah, the laptop's still on -4
[09:44] <Mithrandir> I'll test with the new kernel and bug you if it's not fixed there then. :-)
[09:44] <BenC> -5.7 is where it went in
[09:44] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[09:44] <BenC> np
[09:52] <kinema> BenC: Not to be pushy but when might we expect to see a d80211 enabled Ubuntu kernel, unofficial, prerelease or otherwise.
[09:52] <mjg59> BenC: There still seem to have been some dropped ACPI patches
[09:52] <BenC> not to sound vague, but when I get it done..I've no idea
[09:53] <mjg59> BenC: The toshiba_hotkeys_over_acpi thing vanished
[09:53] <BenC> mjg59: forward porting ACPI patches was ugly...I dropped a lot
[09:53] <mjg59> BenC: It'd be good if you could email me with the list of dropped patches
[09:53] <BenC> I'll add that one to the list of things to get back in
[09:53] <mjg59> Otherwise it's almost impossible to figure out what needs forward porting
[09:53] <mjg59> Some of them may have been merged, others might just fail to apply due to churn
[09:56] <BenC> ok
[09:58] <mjg59> Thanks
[09:59] <mjg59> There's a decent amount of this stuff that still isn't mainstream
[09:59] <mjg59> Which is a right pain


[03:50] <estelondono> Hi everybody! I have a question: Today I had to install again Kubuntu 16.04. in the past, after install it said that I had to install more packages for my language (Spanish) but this time it didn't happen and I have my apps with some parts in English and some parts in Spanish. ¿What can I do to make everything appear Spanish?
[03:56] <estelondono> By the way: I already installed aspell-es and myspell-es but without results
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:51] <apb1963> Muon wants me to remove, install, and upgrade hundreds of packages - over 1.6 GB.  Is this wise?  I'd offer to show you a list, but Muon doesn't let me copy it.
[07:58] <konrados> Morning :)
[08:02] <hateball> apb1963: run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" and paste that instead
[08:03] <hateball> apb1963: it will let you cancel before making any changes
[08:05] <konrados> I'll try again... I installed the newest Ubuntu and KDE, how to change font size in the taskbar
[08:06] <konrados> please help me...
[08:06] <momoe> Goodmorning, I've recently updated using "backports-landing" ppa, and almost everythign went fine. I do need some help with Discover not working...
[08:06] <momoe> Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.discovernotifier/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.discovernotifier" is not installed
[08:07] <apb1963> hateball: Good idea.  Thank you.
[08:07] <apb1963> It gives different results:
[08:07] <apb1963> The following packages will be upgraded:
[08:07] <apb1963>   lsb-base lsb-release lsb-security
[08:08] <apb1963> I keep getting these popup notifiers that  new version of Kubuntu is available.
[08:09] <apb1963> And that's what gives me different results when I click on that notifier and follow it.
[08:13] <apb1963> konrados: System Settings > Application Appearance > Fonts > Taskbar
[08:13] <apb1963> konrados: I just worked that out earlier today.  It's pretty well hidden.
[08:15] <konrados> apb1963 - thanks, sec...
[08:16] <hateball> apb1963: oh you are on 14.04 or 15.10 ?
[08:17] <apb1963> hateball: 14.04
[08:17] <apb1963> hateball:  It wants to do: do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[08:18] <hateball> apb1963: yes, that's alright then
[08:19] <hateball> apb1963: tho I'd personally start a screen and run it in a terminal
[08:19] <apb1963> hateball: But... it wants to delete pidgin
[08:19] <hateball> in case your GUI crashes mid-upgrade
[08:19] <apb1963> hateball: good to know.
[08:19] <hateball> apb1963: did you manually install pidgin?
[08:19] <apb1963> yes
[08:19] <hateball> then that is strange
[08:20] <hateball> if it was installed via some metapackage it might get removed during upgrade, thats normal
[08:20] <hateball> anyhow, you can just make a note of what gets removed and add it back later I guess
[08:20] <apb1963> All 700 or whatever packages :/
[08:20] <hateball> apb1963: also... make a backup of your kwallet
[08:20] <apb1963> oh?
[08:21] <hateball> the migration from kwallet4 to kwallet5 hasnt worked for me once thus far
[08:21] <apb1963> I don't even know where that is
[08:21] <hateball> apb1963: in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet on 14.04 i think
[08:22] <apb1963> Yeah... this is why I really don't want to do this... there's no telling what will break.  I just got done restoring the system manually.
[08:22] <hateball> apb1963: if you run do-release-upgrade in a terminal it'll tell you what happens, so you can paste the packages
[08:22] <hateball> so we can tell if  it looks normal or not
[08:22] <apb1963> ok
[08:24] <apb1963> hateball: Ha!  I ran it in a terminal it printed a couple o f things and then popped up the GUI.
[08:25] <hateball> weird.
[08:25] <hateball> apb1963: well the gui should have some... detail dropdown button thing, to reveal the underlying terminal
[08:25] <hateball> you can probably copy/paste from that
[08:27] <apb1963> Yes it does, no I can't.  I've typed this:  31 pkgs no longer supported, 116 removed, 924 new, 1871 upgraded.  1.635M
[08:27] <linux_> helloi
[08:27] <apb1963> hateball: ^^
[08:28] <apb1963> hateball: that's what it would do, I haven't done it yet.
[08:29] <hateball> apb1963: well that looks pretty normal
[08:29] <hateball> 116 obsolete packages is nothing strange
[08:32] <apb1963> hateball: ok that's good to know.  I'm still going to put it off for another day.  I have more important whales to fry.  Thanks for the help!
[08:32] <hateball> apb1963: :)
[08:33] <konrados> apb1963 there is no such animal, like "System Settings > Application Appearance > Fonts > Taskbar" in my case :(
[08:33] <hateball> konrados: are you on 16.04 ?
[08:33] <konrados> yes, hateball
[08:34] <konrados> I really clicked everything everywhere, hateball
[08:40] <konrados> hateball : plasma KDE: 5.5.5, qt: 5.5.1
[08:44] <momoe> I'm still trying to fix the KDE update plasmoid if anyone can help
[08:44] <hateball> konrados: wel apb1963 was giving instructions for kde4 :)
[08:45] <hateball> konrados: and I dont quite know where it is in plasma5 either
[08:45] <konrados> :(
[08:45] <hateball> konrados: #kde or #plasma perhaps
[08:46] <konrados> ok, I'll try, thanks :)
[10:58] <BluesKaj-pi> Hiyas all
[10:59] <el-sid> hi
[12:47] <konrados> how to deactivate windows effects? I mean, after an upgrade the interface is generally slow, I thought disabling something might help
[12:51] <soee> all effects ?
[12:51] <soee> toggle them with ALT + SHIFT + F12
[12:52] <soee> or  manually disable compositing in System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Compositor
[12:52] <hemor> Pls how do I turn on wifi in kubuntu 16.04? There's no wifi settings in network settinngs
[12:54] <hemor> Hello! anybody online?
 Hi there
 Can you open a terminal, and type lspci -v
[12:54] <hemor> Howdy. how are you doing?
 Check that you Wireless card has been detected
[12:56] <hemor> It is
[12:57] <hemor> Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[12:57] <hemor>         DeviceName: Ralink WLAN Ralink RT3290LE Roma 802.11bgn 1x1Wi-Fi + BT4.0 com
[12:57] <hemor>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Ralink RT3290LE 802.11bgn 1x1 Wi-Fi and Bluet
[12:58] <hemor> Hey. Are you still there?
[12:59] <soee> you dont have this checkbox in network manager http://i.imgur.com/yurhxG0.png ?
[13:01] <hemor> I had it but it somehow disabled itself. I can't click it in order to enable it
[13:01] <soee> do you use laptop?
[13:01] <hemor> yeah
[13:02] <hemor> hp
[13:02] <soee> use func + fX keys to enable wifi
[13:02] <soee> fX = F1-F12 - one of them with wifi icon
[13:03] <soee> something like: http://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_Presario_CQ58_WLAN_Taste_01_43bc642eb8.jpg
[13:10] <konrados> soee - thanks, do I need to restart now? I manually disabled it.
[13:11] <soee> no you don't have to
[13:11] <soee> if thy are disabled
[13:14] <user|4215> hello there
[13:14] <user|4215> i have a couple questions
[13:15] <hemor> after restarting my laptop the I can now turn on/off my wifi from the network manager on system tray
[13:15] <konrados> soee I deactivated it and I still see animations.... I have the same issue with changing "general font", it just doesn't work... I'm starting to believe I have a general problem with settings, do you have any ideas?
[13:15] <hemor> but I'd like to know what made it get disabled before so as to prevent it
[13:17] <soee> !ask | user|4215
[13:17] <user|4215> i have a laptop. COMPAQ cq7 / celeron 1.5 mhz / ram 4GB / hdd 320gb <--- what version of ubuntu could do real good with such spec? thank you!
[13:17] <soee> konrados: try reboot than
[13:18] <soee> user|4215: i suggest latest LTS
[13:18] <soee> 16.04 that is
[13:18] <user|4215> 32 or 64 ?
[13:19] <hemor> 64 bits should be fine
[13:23] <user|4215> thanks
[13:34] <konrados> soee reboot helped, thanks again!
[13:40] <hemor> lspci -v shows bluetooth adapter but under bluetooth settings in kubuntu 16.04 I see the error no bluetooth adapter found
[13:44] <hateball> hemor: is bluetooth enabled? usually a hardware switch
[13:44] <hateball> fn+something
[13:44] <hateball> hemor: "rfkill list" will show if it is blocked for some reason
[13:55] <konrados> hateball, you probably don't remember so a quick reminder - I cannot change taskbar's font size - I asked on #plasma and #kde to find out I need to change settings -> (...) general font - that doesn't work for me, although it does for the other, you know maybe what logs can look at? Maybe there is an issue and this is logged somewhere?
[13:55] <hateball> konrados: afraid I dont know, I use mostly default settings :|
[13:56] <konrados> :(
[13:56] <konrados> Thanks
[13:57] <hateball> as for logs, there's typically not much logging for userspace stuff
[13:57] <hateball> konrados: perhaps you could try restarting plasmashell in a terminal and see if it prints something ovbious
[13:57] <BluesKaj-pi> konrados, perhaps the dpi settings in system settings
[13:58] <petersaints> I guys, I recently noticed that KDE Plasma 5.7, Applications 16.04 and Frameworks 5.24 have landed on the backports-landing PPA. Is testing going well, i.e. do you expect to move those packages to the backports PPA soon?
[13:59] <hateball> petersaints: #kubuntu-devel will know :)
[13:59] <konrados> hateball thanks, I'll try - BluesKaj-pi - I don't want to change the entire GUI, only the taskbar :)
[13:59] <hateball> konrados: "kquitapp plasmashell && kstart plasmashell" if you didnt know
[13:59] <konrados> ok, sec...
[14:07] <hemor> hateballs sorry for not replying since
[14:08] <hemor> I just ran that command "rfkill list" but it has nothing on bluetooth
[14:16] <konrados> hateball, well, there is a lot of it: https://gist.github.com/konrados/98d8975f462e7611bdf040dd258e246f - I know you don't have a time to read  almost 300 lines of strange messages, but if you could give it a look for 10 seconds and tell me if I should be very worried :) ?
[14:59] <Guest20527> why kubuntu so dead? :(
[15:03] <marco-parillo> Because nobody has any problems?
[15:05] <Dragnslcr> It seems pretty alive on all the computers I have it running on
[15:13] <apb1963> My Konsole has a tiny little font.... how can I enlarge it?
[15:13] <apb1963> i.e. change fonts for the terminal
[15:14] <s_20_> ctrl+ is a quick fix
[15:14] <apb1963> no that's a  zoom
[15:14] <s_20_> no..not really in that context
[15:15] <apb1963> great lets argue the semantics of what I don't want and don't care about.
[15:15] <s_20_> now aren't you just a friendly fellow
[15:16] <apb1963> although I admit it does work.
[15:17] <apb1963> I don't want to have to  do that everytime I pop a window.
[15:18] <apb1963> You stay up for over 24 hours and have someone argue with you over the "right" name for something when you're just trying to get some work done.
[15:18] <apb1963> See how "friendly" you are.
[15:20] <s_20_> it's not my fault you've been up for that long, i just tried to help and you were rude. easy as that from my side.
[15:20] <apb1963> Oh you need some water?  Well... we don't call it water around here.  And you need to have your own cup.  Sorry... just trying to help.  Nice help.
[15:20] <s_20_> uhm.
[15:20] <s_20_> what?
[15:21] <s_20_> i *tried* to help you and didn't refuse to help, i was in fact just about typing where you set the font properties permanently
[15:22] <s_20_> but really, if you have that attitude with people who try to help you, for free in their own time, enjoy googling just like everyone else.
[16:17] <Simonious> how do I chat w/ another user on a kubuntu box?  I was thinking 'talk' and it's there, but it isn't working
[16:19] <Simonious>  Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused. Press any key...
[16:59] <Dragnslcr> Simonious- what operating system does the other user have?
[18:04] <paranoidabhi> hi
[18:05] <paranoidabhi> In bluetooth system settings it shows "No Bluetooth adapters have been found."
[18:05] <paranoidabhi> "/etc/init.d/bluetooth status" doesn't print anything.
[18:05] <paranoidabhi>  some info about device: https://bpaste.net/show/c114b2ea2796
[18:05] <paranoidabhi> please help if possible.
[18:07] <genii> paranoidabhi: What says result of: lsusb
[18:15] <paranoidabhi> any ideas?
[18:16] <paranoidabhi>  Failed to restart bluetooth.service: Unit bluetooth.service is masked.
[18:18] <genii> paranoidabhi: What says result of: lsusb
[18:18] <genii> Once we get a vendor:device code it can be researched
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> genii, lsusb
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:b006 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04ca:0060 Lite-On Technology Corp.
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b50d Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
[18:19] <paranoidabhi> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[18:19] <soee> !pastebin
[18:19]  * genii makes sure soee gets their favourite kind of cookies
[18:22] <paranoidabhi> sry
[18:23] <paranoidabhi> genii, https://bpaste.net/show/c3fb8b6fcff9
[18:26] <genii> You don't have any bluetooth devices. You have 2 root hubs, a Realtek ethernet device, a Chicony fingerprint scanner, and a Lite-On external DVD
[18:30] <genii> Sorry, the chicony is webcam
[18:49] <irsaq> hi all
[19:09] <Gotolei> does anyone know what this tiny, sticky window is? only appeared after upgrading plasma to 5.6 today https://i.imgur.com/rQj2quJ.png
[19:09] <Gotolei> only shows in desktop wall, not even wmctrl lists it


[00:12] <shadeslayer> /o\
[00:22] <shadeslayer> I forgot about bodega client :(
[00:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: FFe is not hard to do
[02:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: wrt  http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fdantti%2Fsessionk.git
[02:05] <yofel> would be cool if we had daily builds for that ^^
[03:08] <smartboyhw> Stupid armhf
[03:08] <smartboyhw> Calligra -0ubuntu8 is still building
[03:09] <yofel> it's close to the end though
[03:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how does blogs.kde.org work?
[03:11]  * smartboyhw does not know how to set his blog through to blogs.kde.org
[03:11] <smartboyhw> ...
[03:11] <smartboyhw> Anyway powerpc works fine so:)
[03:11] <smartboyhw> Should be OK
[03:13] <valorie> smartboyhw: you can set up your blog anywhere you like
[03:13] <smartboyhw> valorie, I mean how to get it to blogs.kde.org...
[03:14] <valorie> if you already have one, you can just use tags to make sure only KDE blogs make it to the planet
[03:15] <smartboyhw> valorie, not exactly planet
[03:15] <yofel> hm. I think that's not what his question was - and I only just realized that blogs.kde.org is a CMS itself (drupal)
[03:15] <smartboyhw> blogs.kde.org I mean
[03:15] <valorie> you are listed as one of the people with a blog there
[03:15] <valorie> right on top of the user list
[03:16] <valorie> when you click on your name when logged in, doesn't it give you an editing screen?
[03:16] <valorie> http://blogs.kde.org/users/smartboyhw
[03:17] <valorie> I dunno, I don't have one there
[03:17] <valorie> but that seems like what should happen
[03:17] <valorie> if not, maybe ask in #kde-sysadmin
[03:18] <valorie> if you have a devel account in KDE, seems like you are IN
[03:27] <valorie> smartboyhw: any luck?
[03:28] <valorie> I wasn't sure if you saw my last, since you pinged out
[05:55] <valorie> shadeslayer: are you around?
[05:57] <valorie> sorry for the ping, do not need your expertise
[07:02] <smartboyhw> valorie, no
[07:03] <valorie> did you ask in #kde-sysadmin?
[07:03] <valorie> also, ask Riddell since he blogs from there
[07:04] <smartboyhw> valorie, that's why I PINGED him:P
[07:04] <smartboyhw> Ah today's meeting time
[07:04] <smartboyhw> 15 UTC
[07:05] <valorie> :-)
[07:05] <valorie> I have to go to bed soon so I can be up that early
[07:05] <valorie> we lose an hour here tonight
[07:09] <smartboyhw> valorie, OK
[07:09] <smartboyhw> Phew the armhf build got in and Calligra 1:2.6.1-0ubuntu8 is in -release
[07:10] <valorie> awesome
[07:10] <valorie> by the way, thanks for all your work recently
[07:10] <smartboyhw> valorie, :)
[07:10]  * smartboyhw waits for Calligra 2.6.2 to be tagged
[07:11] <smartboyhw> Supposingly yesterday, but the Calligra sprint is on so...
[07:18] <valorie> right
[08:32] <valorie> smartboyhw: is the meeting here, or in #ubuntu-meeting
[08:32] <valorie> or on mumble?
[08:32] <smartboyhw> valorie, #ubuntu-meeting
[08:32] <smartboyhw> valorie, I am not on mumble:P
[08:32] <valorie> joined
[08:32] <valorie> see you in the am
[08:32] <smartboyhw> valorie, see ya
[08:33] <valorie> I have mumble, but don't know if it works for me yet
[08:33] <valorie> see you in a few hours
[09:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: blogs.kde.org is a website to host blogs
[09:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and how to?
[09:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: create an account and ask sysadmins to approve you
[09:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you already have a blog so no need
[09:39] <Riddell> planet.kde.org is the equivalent of planet.u.c
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which we did....
[09:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meeting soon:P
[09:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: alas I'll be out before then, big day for my canoe polo team
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah:(
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you sent an email saying that you +1 me?:P
[09:43] <smartboyhw> it sometimes works....
[09:56] <Riddell> council: I +1 smartboyhw for membership  (assuming nothing untowards uncovered during the meeting)
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Thanks!
[10:00]  * smartboyhw is making an Ubuntu Studio DVD himself
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Just realized that I can build my own Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio and Ubuntu ISOs:D
[10:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how?
[10:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupLocalIsoBuildServer
[10:08] <Riddell> interesting
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Change ubuntustudio-dvd to kubuntu or kubuntu-omap4 or kubuntu-active-nexus7 or kubuntu-activde :
[10:08] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Find reference of PROJECT names in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/raring/
[10:10] <popey> lb is very neat
[10:10] <popey> i gave a demo of it at my local lug a year or so back.. "Unhappy with Ubuntu, fork it with live-build" :D
[10:11] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:12] <popey> its even more awesome if you have a local mirror, caching the archive. makes it super quick
[10:14] <smartboyhw> popey, :D
[10:14] <smartboyhw> HK's mirror is outdated by a week though
[10:15] <smartboyhw> So um...No
[10:16] <popey> well, exactly the perfect reason to keep your own mirror, synced from gb.a.u.c ☺
[10:16] <smartboyhw> popey, how?
[10:16] <smartboyhw> And I only use Wi-Fi....
[10:17] <popey> apt-mirror or debmirror
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Reminder: KC meeting in 1:37 hours
[13:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, did you get ktp in?
[13:27] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1153231] package libqt4-dbus 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: parsing file '/var/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1153231 (by Kevin Moulton)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> yofel_: can we even use sessionk?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> since we're not systemd based
[14:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: nope, tomorrow
[14:04] <shadeslayer> everything is in place for me to upload ktp
[14:05] <yofel_> from what I understood it doesn't need systemd, it kind of copies systemd's user session stuff
[14:06] <yofel> and a few people on his blog did try this on kubuntu
[14:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Meeting time in 53 minutes
[14:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, shadeslayer :)
[14:08] <yofel> not that we have much say in this ^^
[14:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, I know
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I probably won't be around
[14:09] <smartboyhw> And happily: According to the KC constitution quorum is not reached the vote shall go on in email
[14:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Jesus your wiki page is really old:P
[14:47] <xnox> Riddell: ScottK: can I become ~kubuntu-member please? =)
[14:48] <ScottK> xnox: Probably.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> xnox, well just change wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings :P
[14:48] <smartboyhw> And apply:P
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Make sure you edit your wiki page though
[14:48] <smartboyhw> To include contributions to Kubuntu (which I think xnox has a lot more than smartboyhw)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> meeting in 10
[14:49] <smartboyhw> minutes
[14:53] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, do you have the auto-upgrade QA script? (Just asking)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Now who's this guy? https://launchpad.net/~kde
[14:55] <smartboyhw> xnox, are you applying now or later/
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> 5 min.
[14:55]  * smartboyhw is nervous
[14:55] <smartboyhw> AGAIN
[14:55] <smartboyhw> .....
[14:59]  * smartboyhw pings ScottK Riddell JontheEchidna apachelogger jussi Darkwing to join #ubuntu-meeting
[15:00] <jussi> ooh, great, Im Here :D
[15:00] <smartboyhw> jussi, :)
[15:00]  * valorie is here, but just to cheerlead
[15:00] <smartboyhw> valorie, :)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> ......
[15:08] <soee> :]
[15:08]  * smartboyhw calls for yofel + shadeslayer to support:P
[15:36] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, I can hear
[15:37]  * smartboyhw exits mumble
[15:38]  * smartboyhw is happy with the topic :P (Yeah)
[15:38] <valorie> I can see on mumble, but have heard nothing today
[15:39] <smartboyhw> valorie, that's weird
[15:39] <smartboyhw> I can hear Darkwing speaking
[15:39] <valorie> I need to crawl back in bed for a couple of hours though
[15:39] <valorie> debugging later
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Next time I should buy a mic
[15:39] <smartboyhw> see ya valorie have a good sleep
[15:39] <smartboyhw> I need to sleep too:P
[15:40]  * smartboyhw is brushing teeth
[15:43]  * smartboyhw has just finished his debate script
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, I will help editing the Kubuntu Meeting wiki pages:)
[15:53] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: go for it
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, just don't forget to add me in LP team and send annoucements.:P (Friendly reminder)
[15:58] <smartboyhw> See ya all, sleep time
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> lol, I saw somebody on the interwebs call Unity the "Ubuntu One layout". Branding fail.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> okay, seems like Howard got in
[17:11] <shadeslayer> I don't want to be on IRC today :P
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yup, just added him to the LP group + sent out the mail to kubuntu-devel
[17:22] <murthy> hello everyone
[18:29] <murthy> Riddell: are you there?
[18:33] <Mamarok> wow, Howard is 14 :)
[18:34] <micahg> Mamarok: at the last Ubuntu membership meeting, both applicants were under 18
[18:34] <Mamarok> nice to have young blood :)
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> I was 16 when I applied
[18:35] <micahg> indeed, I wish this outlet was available when I was that age (well, Debian was just starting, but I didn't know about it)
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> gosh, that would mean it's been 5 years
[18:35] <Mamarok> 14 is not even a fourth of my age...
[18:35] <Mamarok> oh, silly me, yes, it's between a foruth and a tird
[18:35] <Mamarok> fourth*
[18:40] <murthy> Mamarok: got some time ?
[18:41] <Mamarok> murthy: yes, not sure I can help, though
[18:41] <murthy> Mamarok: offtopic please
[20:12] <lordievader> Good evening
[20:17] <soee> :o
[22:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: upgrade-tester r80 adds a solution for the mirror question that should work everywhere and for everyone
[22:51] <shadeslayer> rdieter: do you have the link to the patch that I gave you that allows one to compile qtwebkit against gst 1.0
[23:02] <rdieter> shadeslayer: hrm, not handy no.  Didn't look too closely knowing that qt-gstreamer isn't 1.0-able soonish
[23:02] <shadeslayer> yeah, I've started work on that
[23:03] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of doing a quick dirty port and then using smoke-gobject
[23:03] <rdieter> cool, you're a hero
[23:03] <shadeslayer> so there's something releasable and then I can take my sweet time porting it to use smoke-gobject
[23:04] <shadeslayer> except I need that patch that I can't find on my disk that allows me to build qtwebkit with 1.0 :(
[23:04] <afiestas> is there any daily of kscreen?
[23:04] <shadeslayer> it's somewhere on irclogs but goog is failing me
[23:04] <afiestas> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311129#c8
[23:04] <afiestas> needs a way of installing them
[23:04] <shadeslayer> afiestas: doesn't seem like it


[15:16] <BigWhale> Why on earth did this started to appear on 14.04 ... NotImplementedError: Surface.create_for_data: Not Implemented yet.


[01:34] <robertj_> ajmitch: you handy? I've got a spec I'd like you to take a peek at
[01:35] <Burgwork> robertj_: I can look at it, if you want
[01:36] <robertj_> Burgwork: ok, oen sec
[01:36] <robertj_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSambaIntegrationSpec
[01:38] <ajmitch> yes I've seen it
[01:40] <ajmitch> either that, or have samba use the normal pam mechanisms for user/passwords
[01:41] <robertj_> ajmitch: the reason to do it that way is that you can hash the passwords without installing samba
[01:42] <robertj_> so that you can install it after the fact and have it just work
[01:44] <robertj_> but I think that use case is very common and should be accounted for
[01:44] <robertj_> Burgwork, ajmitch: so suggestions on where to go from here?
[03:30] <robertj> ajmitch, Burgwork: sorry about dropping out there, had a hard lock and didn't notice ;)


 mtp causes havoc even in windows
 I only did dolphin navigation, and it's all good, when it works
[05:05] <misc--> is it just me or is nobody typing anything to the channel?
[05:06] <dax> nobody is typing anything to the channel.
[05:06] <misc--> oh amazing... I'm on like four different busy channels and nobody is typing (new irc client I'm using.. what a coincidence)
[05:07] <dax> irc is usually quiet around this time. it's getting late in the US and is early in the EU
[05:08] <misc--> ah right, I see
[08:17] <amishrobots> \help
[09:11] <Guest21380> asd
[09:15] <soee_> you can type! :)
[10:02] <ghostknife> I want to remove the clock from my login and lock screen on Kubuntu 15.10. Any advice on how to do this?
[10:02] <hateball> ghostknife: are you using the default sddm theme?
[11:13] <ghostknife> hateball: yes i am
[11:15] <hateball> ghostknife: there's no gui way to disable the clock or edit elements of the theme afaik
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:29] <hazamonzo> Howdy BluesKaj
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hi hazamonzo
[11:31] <ghostknife> hateball: is it something I can do manually. I'm comfortable tweaking/hacking things if I kind of know what to look for
[11:31] <hateball> ghostknife: well it's all found under /etc/sddm
[11:32] <hateball> ghostknife: themes themselves are in /usr/share/sddm
[11:33] <ghostknife> hateball: wow thanks. these theme files are pretty neat. my first run in with QML :)
[11:34] <hateball> there's a "Clock.qml" but I dunno where it's confed to use it
[11:34] <hateball> it's deep in /usr/lib
[11:35] <ghostknife> ok, thanks for the hint.
[11:35] <hateball> (IRCing from non plasma 5 machine, hence no copy-paste path)
[11:35] <ghostknife> I also don't immediately see where it's included in the breeze theme. but this seems like an exciting adventure. at face value these QML themes seem pretty flexible/powerful.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> I've tried installing several themes with the add on installer and out of 5 or so that appeared to install only 2 showed up in the list
[11:53] <ghostknife> hateball: i found that the lockscreen is configured in a separate file: /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/lockscreen/LockScreen.qml
[13:40] <Grano> hi
[13:41] <BluesKaj> hi Grano
[13:41] <Grano> how do i enable vsync in Kubuntu, im using skylakes iGPU
[13:46] <hateball> Grano: on 14.04 or 15.10 ?
[13:46] <Grano> 15.10
[13:46] <Grano> updated my kernel to 4.4.5
[13:46] <hateball> Grano: alt+space, search for compositing
[13:46] <hateball> should have a prevent tearing option
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Grano, system settings>display&monitor>compositor, "tearing prevention"
[13:47] <hateball> iirc there are bugs with intel + vsync tho
[13:47] <hateball> might have been patched now, I dunno
[13:49] <Grano> currently im using the option "Only when cheap"
[13:49] <Grano> is full screen repaint enough to prevent tearing in videos?
[13:50] <Grano> because re-use screen content is not usable
[13:52] <hateball> I find full screen repaint to be the only reliable option
[13:52] <hateball> since I use nvidia blob on my primary device I use its global vsync features and disable kwins
[13:52] <hateball> but I do recall full screen repaint being alright
[13:52] <Grano> doesnt work for me though
[13:53] <hateball> Grano: oh and tick the... kill effects for fullscreen windows
[13:53] <Grano> and full creen repaint makes my system laggy to the point where its not usable
[13:54] <Grano> hateball: suspend compositor for full screen windows?
[13:55] <Grano> hmm seems like no option works reliable for me
[13:55] <Grano> i guess ill have to get a dedicated gpu
[13:55] <Grano> or wait for never drivers
[13:56] <hateball> Grano: should be newer mesa etc in 16.04 I guess, skylake is pretty new after all
[13:57] <Grano> can i just upgrade to testing from my version?
[13:57] <hateball> Grano: yes, at your own risk of course
[13:57] <hateball> Grano: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:57] <Grano> dont worry i have all my imporant files backed up
[13:57] <Grano> thanks for the help
[13:58] <hateball> :)
[14:25] <Girts> Hello all. I wonder could anyone tell me if I am wasting time trying to get a decent screen size on SiS 671 adapter
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Girts, graphics?
[14:32] <Smurphy> Girts: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok , Smurphy found it for you Girts...BBL errands to do
[14:34] <Girts> yes, graphics. its been 2 days and many distros, noone has sis support it seems
[14:34] <Girts> thank you for your response
[14:42] <frank___> Can't install Kubuntu on my PC. Either boot from DVD hangs quite quickly or (sometimes) after installation(!!!) at reboot. Tried several times without success. I have no idea what to do first to bypass this. Any suggestions what to check or do first?
[15:03] <Smurphy> Fritigern: Yep - you need to provide more details, and eventually what happens when it hangs -> Screen output.
[15:09] <Girts> thanks and wish me luck with linux mint
[15:13] <Smurphy> :}
[15:14] <BluesKaj> he'll be back :-)
[15:17] <Smurphy> yep.
[17:36] <Fritigern> Smurphy: Case of mistaken identity?
[17:56] <olavgg>  /msg NickServ identify 399gvung
[17:57] <olavgg> test
[17:57] <olavgg> wtf
[18:01] <olavgg> seriously... that little whitespace, and everyone sees my password :P
[18:01] <pps> yoo... don't kill me for asking, looks like KDE just won't work at all on ubuntu (or ubuntu cannot handle it at all)
[18:02] <pps> what can I do to get KDE in ubuntu?
[18:02] <pps> xubuntu works fine, but apt-get kubuntu-desktop fails miserably making my install broken. I use latest ubuntu 15 clean install
[18:03] <kpawlowski> Hi, where can I download 16.04 beta image?
[18:08] <kpawlowski> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ are these images ok?
[18:18] <dax> kpawlowski: yes
[18:19] <dax> (as in: that's where you should be downloading 16.04 from right now, no idea if it's "okay" as in working or not :P)
[18:22] <kpawlowski> thank ;)
[20:02] <Jagrophess> has anyone here fixed issues with their wifi dropping? Mine's horrible ive tried everything
[20:03] <Smurphy> olavgg: lol ... :}
[20:09] <lordievader> olavgg: That is why it is wise to query nickserv before identifying.
[20:34] <davidrnewman> anyone else lost all sound output after this morning's wily-update?
[20:50] <davidrnewman> the alsa update has made the sound cards only accessible to root, even though I'm in the audio group.
[20:58] <mparillo> davidrnewman: I just updated and will test (unfortunately on Xenial).
[21:01] <mparillo> Works for me. Sorry I do not have any wily partitions left.
[21:07] <Swipe-> davidrnewman; sound working ok for me after updating
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> Party news
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-part-2/
[21:15] <davidrnewman> it looks like the udev update has broken sound, and once again made my Canon scanner inaccessible.
[21:33] <Katie> can I install kubuntu on my 2008 macbook 4,1?
[21:51] <katie> can I install kubuntu on my 2008 macbook 4,1
[21:51] <insidious> lol
[21:52] <insidious> why would you want to do that?
[21:52] <insidious> Yes its poss to do so.
[21:52] <katie> OS X is driving me crazy and I wanted to see what my options are
[21:52] <insidious> I had windows 7 on mackbook 4,1
[21:52] <insidious> and 10
[21:52] <insidious> so i dont see why not?
[21:53] <insidious> katie
[21:53] <insidious> persoanlly
[21:53] <insidious> if i were you.
[21:53] <insidious> I would install xubuntu.
[21:53] <katie> I am a regular linux user and us a vm to run linux on my windows computer, but I have this old macbook and thought it might be a good linux computer
[21:53] <katie> why xubuntu?
[21:53] <insidious> because its lighter.
[21:54] <katie> how so?
[21:54] <insidious> i forget what the graphics cards on the 4,1
[21:54] <insidious> gpu is poor i reckon
[21:54] <katie> touche
[21:54] <bprompt> katie:   if you want light, Lubuntu is the lightest of the Ubuntu flavors though
[21:55] <insidious> ^
[21:55] <insidious> xubuntu is just nicer
[21:55] <insidious> imp
[21:55] <insidious> imo
[21:55] <insidious> :P
[21:55] <katie> what makes kubuntu so heavy?
[21:55] <insidious> its not that.
[21:55] <bprompt> well, kubuntu is nicer too =)
[21:55] <insidious> it loves gpu
[21:55] <bprompt> so it's Unity, it's a matter of choices though =)
[21:55] <insidious> brompt im using kubuntu on laptop :P
[21:56] <bprompt> so am I =)
[21:56] <insidious> I just dont think with her gpu card
[21:56] <insidious> it would beifit her
[21:56] <katie> good point
[21:56] <bprompt> though I don't run Kwin, I run lxde, but kde apps
[21:56] <insidious> benifit.
 My macbook 3,1 handled kde4 so I think the 4,1 can handle Kubuntu fine
[21:56] <insidious> telegram: with plasma?
[21:57] <bprompt> yeah, I'd think so too, if it can handled macOSX, kubuntu shouldn't be such a biggie either
 Yep
 Plasma 5 has gotten better
[21:57] <katie> I mean the only reason why I was thinking kubuntu was because I liked the environment. I'm open to anything though
[21:57] <insidious> if you can run kde
[21:57] <insidious> then do so.
[21:57] <katie> how do I find out if I can
[21:58] <insidious> katie:
[21:58] <insidious> He made a good point.
[21:58] <insidious> your running mac osz
[21:58] <insidious> osx  so it should be fine
[21:58] <insidious> :P
[21:58] <insidious> I just know the ram etc is limited.
[21:58] <bprompt> katie:   hardaware specs :), how much ram? what type, ddr1, ddr2? what cpu speed?  what hdd type?   what speed, how many RPMs?
[21:58] <insidious> and if i had it i would use xubuntu or lxubuntu
[21:59] <insidious> brompt: the max is 4
[21:59] <insidious> ddr 2
[21:59] <insidious> dual core
[21:59] <bprompt> 4gbs ddr2 is fine for kubuntu 14.04
[21:59] <bprompt> dunno on 16.04
[21:59] <insidious> if you just a typical user browsing and few apps it will be fine.
[22:00] <katie> well I'm a computer engineering student so I code a lot
[22:00] <insidious> linux itself will run 10 times better then osx
[22:00] <insidious> :P
[22:00] <bprompt> katie:   you won't be running VMs with those 4gbs though, but will work for everything else
[22:00] <insidious> ^
[22:00] <katie> yea I don't plan on running an VMs with it
[22:00] <insidious> im only using about 1.7 gbs out of 32gb
[22:00] <insidious> lol
[22:01] <insidious> with two vms running.
[22:01] <insidious> :3
[22:01] <bprompt> somehow, I think that number is inaccurate, unless you're running kubuntu 9.04 =)
[22:02] <insidious> it was not accurate.
[22:02] <insidious> about "  roughly a guess.
[22:02] <katie> I have 4GB of RAM, ddr2, 2.4 GHz speed
[22:03] <bprompt> katie:  looks good
[22:03] <katie> yea I got it for a steal on ebay lol
[22:03] <katie> so I think I should be good with Kubuntu? Or should I go with X or L ubuntu?
[22:04] <bprompt> you mean, you stole it from ebay?  well, watch out two guys in black wearing long-brimmed hats knocking at your door at 11pm
[22:04] <insidious> bprompt: according to htop 1985mbs
[22:04] <leumas_> katie: try out Kubuntu as live CD (on USB stick) and check out how it runs
[22:04] <insidious> keep in mind it will be a bit slower booting etc running off usb.
[22:05] <katie> so download it on to a USB, then get to the boot menu and run it from there before I wipe my hardrive?
[22:05] <insidious> yes
[22:05] <bprompt> katie:    xubuntu is just ligher than kubuntu, and Lubuntu is ligher than xubuntu, what's the difference? usually fancy features
[22:05] <insidious> i would be more concerned about the gpu
[22:05] <leumas_> yea, if you are fine with its performance in that mode then you should be fine when you install it
[22:07] <insidious> Because it will run don't always make it the best solution.
[22:07] <insidious> :P
[22:07] <insidious> Its a machine from 2008.
[22:09] <insidious> typically ubuntu is good on detecting old hardware etc.
[22:09] <insidious> so i don't think you will have much trouble.
[22:10] <katie> ok awesome. Thanks for the help and it is much appreciated!
[22:10] <insidious> katie:
[22:10] <insidious> based on forums etc
[22:10] <insidious> people had no issues.
[22:10] <insidious> from what little i researched.
[22:11] <insidious> i havent played with thos machines in time.
[22:11] <insidious> kde is great machine but i used kde itself with older hardware and had issues with the gpu
[22:12] <insidious> fuzzyness , lines etc
[22:12] <bprompt> katie:    the driver base for the ubuntu flavors installations is pretty good, that chances are, it will pick up everything your machine has
[22:12] <insidious> but that was using other linux flavors
[22:12] <insidious> ie  debian and fedora
[22:12] <insidious> like he said ubuntu is good with detection.
[22:13] <katie> so stick with ubuntu?
[22:13] <leumas> Hi all, am having issues pairing my Nexus 5 with my system via KDE connect
[22:14] <bprompt> I think debian doesn't include certain drivers due to licensing issues, they can, but they don't
[22:14] <insidious> not to mention the package manager
[22:14] <insidious> is horrid
[22:14] <bprompt> well, depends, if you run kde, you can just run kde package manager =)
[22:15] <insidious> yea
[22:16] <bprompt> leumas:    haven't done much bluetooth myself in kde
[22:16] <leumas> bprompt: Kde connect works with wifi
[22:17] <bprompt> leumas:   but I simply plug in the mobile device by usb cable, and that works as MTP device or usb storage :)
[22:17] <insidious> :P
[22:18] <bprompt> leumas:   so, you're making kde connect to work as "wifi access point" to the Nexus tablet then?  hmm haven't used kde connect myself though
[22:18] <leumas> yea that works but i want to be far from the phone and see notifications on my laptop
[22:19] <Scunizi> leumas: from my past experiance (been a while) you need the latest kde connect on your machine.  Typically from a ppa.
[22:19] <leumas> bprompt: yea, i have installed the ppa on my repository list and updated
[22:19] <bprompt> leumas:   that simply means you need to get a 50ft cable :), maybe not =)
[22:20] <leumas> Alright, thanks :)
[22:21] <insidious> lol 50ft cable


[14:48] <the-erm> Hi, I'm having a problem with xfce ... not sure if this is the right channel but here it goes.  https://pastebin.com/L262SvzK
[14:48] <the-erm> The screen flickers & and I get kicked back to lightdm.
[14:49] <the-erm> I had the same problem the other day, moved .config and was then able to log in.
[14:50] <the-erm> If I'm reading this right it's trying display :1.1 and then :1.3 but I'm using ... 0:0 - I think.
[14:50] <GridCube> the-erm: try renaming .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files from your ~/
[14:51] <GridCube> and relog
[14:51] <the-erm> ok I'll try that.
[14:51] <the-erm> I had to create a 2nd account just to get in here.  So I have to log out.
[14:51] <the-erm> brb
[14:52] <GridCube> you can do that from a tty :P just mv oldfile newfile and they would rename
[14:52] <the-erm> Yes however in order to test I have to log out of this X session.
[14:52] <GridCube> yes, but a tty doesn need x
[14:53] <the-erm> Unless you know the command off the top of you head that'd start a 2nd Xfce on a different display.
[15:00] <the-erm> Well this is odd.  I managed to log back in, but I had to unplug my monitors to pull it off.
[15:00] <the-erm> Very odd.
[15:01] <the-erm> At any rate thanks for your help.
[15:01] <the-erm> Have a pleasant day.
[15:02] <the-erm> I'll have to play around with this and figure out which monitor is giving me grief.
[17:26] <xubuntu64w> Hi all.  I installed xubuntu 18.04 and all works but num lock auto comes on.  anyway to turn off?
[17:33] <Kumool> xubuntu64w: maybe Settings > keyboard > restore numlock state
[17:33] <Kumool> xubuntu64w: if its not that, then its fiddling with the console
[17:34] <xubuntu64w> Kumool, thanks, will try numlock state..
[20:57] <Unit193> Kumool: Starting with 18.04, Xubuntu ships numlockx so removing that or disabling it in /etc/default/numlockx *should* turn it off.
[20:57] <Unit193> numlockx is supposed to be smart enough to know whether you're using a laptop or desktop, according to laptop-detect.
[21:02] <Spass> unless your "fancy" Logitech mouse (G700) is presented/detected as an external keyboard and the numlockx thinks it's a good idea to enable NumLock :) that was my corner case
[21:05] <Unit193> Wow, well that's quite the odd quirk Spass!
[21:06] <Spass> yeah, and I think it was you who helped me diagnose that issue then
[21:06] <Spass> some commands showed that this mouse is presenting itself as a keyboard
[21:07] <Spass> or "mouse + keyboard" as one device, sort of
[21:10] <brainwash> a webcam can too
[21:10] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12694
[21:17] <Wayward_Vagabond> Xubuntu isn't detecting my display correctly due to a KVM switch. Is there a way to force it to output the montior's native resolution?
[21:19] <Wayward_Vagabond> It's at 640x480 73Hz, it should be 1280x1024 76Hz