[13:38] <beezly|work> Reported a bug some time ago, but not heard anything: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1288644 - I don't mind... it's pretty niche. Just wondered if I'd done it wrong!
[13:43] <rbasak> beezly: the report looks fine to me, though there are >200 untriaged bugs in the eglibc package at the moment.
[13:43] <rbasak> There's also the complication that eglibc is now glibc in Utopic.
[13:44]  * rbasak isn't exactly sure about the status of that move
[13:49] <beezly> rbasak: thanks :) just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. Yeah - i realised that it would probably go away when utopic gets released.
[13:50] <beezly> It's definitely specific to eglibc. I took a look at the code and it is a web of #ifdef's and goto's.
[15:22] <neupuceni> hi!
[15:22] <neupuceni> how can i do kernel bisection?
[15:22] <neupuceni> this is my problem
[15:22] <neupuceni> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1334230
[20:06]  * RoyK wonders when someone will take care of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1171945
[20:09] <rbasak> RoyK: it doesn't sound trivial. Care to volunteer?
[20:13] <RoyK> rbasak: I've tried to dig into this myself, but I don't know upstart well enough
[20:31] <rbasak> RoyK: upstart really isn't that complicated, and it's very well documented too. Do you know about http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook?
[20:31] <rbasak> RoyK: it's just a set of jobs that fire on events. Hardware hotplug (and simulated hotplug on boot) and jobs changing state fire events.
[20:31] <rbasak> That's about it really.
[20:38] <israel> Hi is anyone around that works with SRU?
[20:54] <RoyK> rbasak: just a bit strange that such a bug hasn't been fixed for so long
[20:58] <rbasak> RoyK: I guess it's just the usual - uncommon case with no able developers who are also willing to volunteer the time affected.
[20:58] <rbasak> (or to pay for a fix)
[21:05] <RoyK> rbasak: found the solution
[21:11] <israel> Hi is anyone around that works with SRU?
[21:12] <RoyK> rbasak: the final solution is simple - don't use ubuntu :P
[21:22] <yofel> israel: please just ask your question, someone else might be able to answer your question too
[21:31] <israel> I want to do SRU for a package.  I have a bug report, and a branch setup.  However the wiki page says to upload the package to proposed.... I am not sure how/if I can do this
[21:36] <yofel> israel: you'll need a developer that sponsors your upload, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess#Requesting_Sponsorship
[21:37] <yofel> israel: also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure step 5
[21:47] <israel> yofel: thank you!  It is a separate package, rather than a patch, though.   Do I need to do a debdiff?  If so, where is the info on that?
[21:48] <israel> yofel: I found it in the sponsorship page...
[21:48] <yofel> if you're using UDD you can just do a merge request for the branch, debdiff would be the classic way and is generated with "debdiff <old_version>.dsc <new_version>.dsc"
[21:48] <yofel> :)
[21:49] <israel> oh... debdiff is very simple!   What is UDD?  sorry, I am not up on all the lingo :)
[21:49] <israel> Oh... you mean utopic?
[21:49] <israel> Can I merge the version in Utopic back to Trusty?
[21:52] <israel> yofel: this is for a program called lmms... I may have talked to you some time ago about it... your name seems familiar
[21:52] <yofel> no, UDD is the bzr based packaging style
[21:52] <yofel> (ubuntu distributed development)
[21:53] <israel> UDD... ok I have been using bzr and pbuilder, etc.. to do this since 11.10, or maybe 12.04 I can't remember when I started doing this.
[21:54] <yofel> israel: getting the utopic package to trusty is a backport and can be put into trusty-backports, SRU's have to be fixes for specific bugs
[21:56] <israel> yofel: The problem is feature freeze came, and we were frenzied trying to get it in past the freeze... when I accidentally merged the Master in, rather than the Stable.. so there are some unstable components and user data loss issues.  Both my version of 1.0.0 and the utopic 1.0.1 fix the bugs  Which would you recommend?  I really just want to fix my mistake quickly... so whichever one will work to get the users a safer more sta
[21:56] <israel> ble program is what I want to do
[22:02] <yofel> israel: hm, looks like a rather large update, but I would say request sponsorship anyway and then discuss it with the sponsor and ~ubuntu-sru
[22:04] <israel> yofel: There were some features that were not ready to use, so they all needed to be rolled back.  So you are saying I should use my branch, rather than the backport.  Thanks for your help!!
[22:13] <rbasak> RoyK: ah, so you can find some other edge case bug that only affects a small number of people on another distribution instead?
[22:13] <rbasak> :)
[22:17] <israel> rbasak: what is your problem?


[15:24] <Ekushey> hello all
[15:24] <Ekushey> can i ask a wiki related question here?
[15:26] <knome> yep
[15:29] <Ekushey> how do i redirect a wiki page to another?
[15:29] <Ekushey> what tag do i use?
[15:32] <knome> #REDIRECT NewPageName
[15:32] <knome> that should work...
[15:32] <knome> if not:
[15:32] <knome> #REFRESH 0 NewPageName
[15:33] <Ekushey> thank you very much
[15:33] <Ekushey> trying that
[15:37] <Ekushey> knome: it is taking me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/0 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewPageName instead NewPageName directly
[15:38] <knome> hmm... what's the page you're trying to redirect?
[15:39] <Ekushey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ekushey to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Russell
[15:39] <Ekushey> i'm noob at wiki stuff...
[15:39] <knome> Ekushey, fixed it.
[15:40] <knome> wait, i didn't, or there's some caching
[15:40] <knome> i would imagine caching
[15:41] <Ekushey> cleared my browser cache, still seeing the same thing
[15:41] <Ekushey> what did i do wrong, knome?
[15:41] <knome> i've no idea :)
[15:42] <knome> i'm looking into it
[15:42] <Ekushey> thanks :)
[15:44] <Ekushey> looks like server-side cache
[15:44] <knome> something like that
[15:44] <Ekushey> are you with the wiki team, or the docu team knome?
[15:44] <knome> i'm doing stuff here and there
[15:45] <knome> my main work is done with xubuntu, of which i'm the project lead at the moment
[15:46] <Ekushey> wow! it's an honour to talk to you then :)
[15:47] <knome> heh, you're welcome ;)
[15:47] <Ekushey> :)
[15:47] <knome> humph, i deleted the page and i'm still redirected
[15:48] <knome> Ekushey, which one did you try first? redirect or refresh?
[15:50] <Ekushey> refresh
[15:50] <Ekushey> brb knome, we're having a meeting on #ubuntu-bd
[16:59] <Ekushey> i'm back, knome. looks like all the same...
[17:00] <Ekushey> is it possible to delete the page and create again?
[17:13] <dsmythies> Ekushey: You should be able to revert the page yourself and then try again. Go to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ekushey?action=info
[17:14] <Ekushey> ok dsmythies trying that
[17:18] <dsmythies> Ekushey: Hmmm... Looks as though someone did delete it.
[17:23] <dsmythies> somehow I did not see knone's comment that he deleted it. I was still getting redirected until a few minutes ago.
[18:55] <knome> dsmythies, looks like some server side cache maybe :/
[21:54] <pleia2> meeting in a few minutes, we'll have it here because #ubuntu-meeting is busy
[21:54] <pleia2> meetingology has joined us for the day :)
[21:54] <meetingology> pleia2: Error: "has" is not a valid command.
[21:56] <knome> haha!
[21:56] <belkinsa> For what?
[21:56] <knome> yay for not having to chair a meeting <3
[21:57] <belkinsa> Ah.
[21:59] <pleia2> yeah, who wants to chair? :)
[22:00] <pleia2> a resounding echo
[22:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting Documentation Team
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  6 22:00:32 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00]  * belkinsa is here for the meeting
[22:00] <godbyk> pleia2's on top of things today! :-)
[22:01] <pleia2> #chair knome dsmythies godbyk bkerensa
[22:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: bkerensa dsmythies godbyk knome pleia2
[22:01] <pleia2> in case I get pulled away re: work :)
[22:01] <pleia2> we have an agenda!
[22:01] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[22:01] <knome> pleia2, sorry, i was following the other meeting...
[22:01] <bkerensa> oh I happen to be in my office so looks like I'm in attendance
[22:01] <bkerensa> :D
[22:02] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Classroom Sessions scheduling
[22:02] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Classroom
[22:02] <pleia2> so we have topics decided, we just need to select a day
[22:02] <dsmythies> I can do the Serverguide classroom session. Sorry, I didn't notice before (or forgot) that I was supposed to sign up.
[22:02] <pleia2> thanks dsmythies
[22:03] <pleia2> we want to do this at a time when telling people this stuff is still useful for the team if they want to join, so before any kind of freezes
[22:03] <pleia2> late february? march? weekday or weekend?
[22:03] <belkinsa> Weekend works the best for me.
[22:04] <dsmythies> The sooner the better, weekday or wekend O.K. for me.
[22:04] <belkinsa> Though the week of March 17-23 is free for me.
[22:04]  * pleia2 pulls up a calendar
[22:04] <godbyk> I'm usually available except for Tuesdays and Fridays.
[22:04] <pleia2> I'm out of town that week, maybe the week before?
[22:04] <pleia2> or maybe March 1 or 2?
[22:05] <belkinsa> Sure, but MWF works the best for me.
[22:05] <pleia2> that's saturday and sunday
[22:05] <pleia2> Sunday, March 2nd would be best for me
[22:05] <belkinsa> That works.
[22:05] <belkinsa> Either day.
[22:05] <pleia2> (I try to take off on Saturdays :))
[22:05] <godbyk> I don't have anything scheduled for March 1 or 2 yet.
[22:05] <dsmythies> Sunday March 2nd O.K. for me.
[22:06] <pleia2> ok, I'll firm up with the other instructors
[22:06] <pleia2> #decided March 2nd for Documentation Day Classroom sessions
[22:06] <dsmythies> We really need people to review docs against 14.04 computers. Should there be a classroom session on how to create and use a virtual computer for this purpose?
[22:06] <pleia2> (is that a thing on this bot?)
[22:06] <pleia2> dsmythies: I was thinking that would be covered in godbyk's session
[22:06] <dsmythies> O.K.
[22:07] <pleia2> but if we don't think there is enough time, we can do a general "creating a VM for all docs" session
[22:07] <godbyk> pleia2: try 'agreed'
[22:07] <pleia2> godbyk: ah :) thanks
[22:07] <pleia2> #agreed March 2nd for Documentation Day Classroom sessions
[22:08] <pleia2> #topic Progress on Desktop Docs GNOME documentation sync
[22:08] <pleia2> I know there's been a fair amount of discussion on this topic (whether we're even doing it)
[22:09] <bkerensa> I will let godbyk start off since he is doing the syncing
[22:09] <pleia2> I added this, mostly because I would like to know when it's ok for me to say "ok people, go review docs and submit bugs about grammar+functionality"
[22:09] <godbyk> I'll take a look at syncing everything this weekend.
[22:09] <GunnarHj> Whatever we will decide about the syncing, I think that anybody can start reviewing and correcting the present state of the docs right now.
[22:09] <dsmythies> In my opinion, we are ready for 14.04 docs review now.
[22:09] <dsmythies> However, does anyone know fo some any doc pages that should be put on hold, due to pending changes that would/could make the page obsolete?
[22:10] <godbyk> I don't think it'll take me too long—especially since I can strip out the conditionals now.
[22:10] <bkerensa> GunnarHj: exactly
[22:10] <bkerensa> there is no reason that spelling and grammar fixes should not be throughout the entire cycle
[22:10] <godbyk> dsmythies: I have no idea what changes are coming in 14.04. Have we found good sources for that info yet?
[22:10] <pleia2> bkerensa: well if the entire page is going to be replaced with a synced version, eek
[22:10] <pleia2> I don't want to waste peoples time
[22:11] <dsmythies> I don't know either
[22:11] <bkerensa> godbyk: There are lots of things coming... Some of this is identifiable from watching the package changes in ubuntu-desk
[22:11] <bkerensa> others we would need to ping the ubuntu-desktop team
[22:11] <bkerensa> fwiw last cycle nobody was very helpful
[22:11] <pleia2> bkerensa: have you been keeping an eye on that?
[22:11] <bkerensa> nobody on the desktop or unity teams
[22:11] <pleia2> package changes == reading changelog?
[22:11] <GunnarHj> Actually I don't think there are a lot of things that affect the docs.
[22:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: I have not ideally this is something we need desktop team to do
[22:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: but they won't, we need to get past this and stop complaining about it
[22:12] <godbyk> For a while, I subscribed to the changes lists for packages, but there was entirely too much traffic for me to manage. It was like drinking from a fire hose.
[22:12] <pleia2> GunnarHj: yeah, as an LTS I was hoping not a ton of innovative things were happening :)
[22:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: so ultimately they provide the info to release team
[22:12] <bkerensa> so they are doing it
[22:12] <bkerensa> they just are not shattering it with us
[22:12] <bkerensa> sharing*
[22:12] <godbyk> bkerensa: Just not very early though, right?
[22:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: they get this to the release team at day zero
[22:13] <bkerensa> because the info ends up in the release notes
[22:13] <bkerensa> yes
[22:13] <pleia2> not early enough for us
[22:13] <bkerensa> but they work on it weeks before
[22:13] <bkerensa> usually a month before release
[22:13] <GunnarHj> I think we can simply check out whether the current state of the docs is still applicable by comparing it with an updated 14.04.
[22:13] <bkerensa> sure
[22:13] <bkerensa> but we will need to break down areas by components maybe
[22:13] <bkerensa> and delegate reviewing components to certain people
[22:14] <bkerensa> and hope that no last minute changes happen
[22:14] <bkerensa> worst case scenario if a last minute change lands after freeze we can SRU
[22:14] <bkerensa> or get a string freeze exception
[22:14] <pleia2> let's cross that bridge when we get to it :)
[22:14] <GunnarHj> Yeah, breaking it down and divide responsibilites is a good thought.
[22:14] <pleia2> I know you're frustrated after last cycle, but we need to try to be practical
[22:15] <dsmythies> I was just hoping to not waste time is all.
[22:15] <bkerensa> dsmythies: +1
[22:15]  * pleia2 nods
[22:15] <pleia2> it's an LTS, there shouldn't be any last minute surprises
[22:16] <godbyk> pleia2: famous last words. ;-)
[22:16] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:16] <GunnarHj> pleia2: Right. (They are all busy with the phone anyway.)
[22:16] <pleia2> godbyk: yeah, but historically it actually has been accurate :)
[22:16] <pleia2> GunnarHj: heh, there is that
[22:16] <pleia2> ok, too much bitterness in this meeting so far ;)
[22:17] <pleia2> so, should I start telling people to review the docs?
[22:17] <knome> belkinsa, ping me when it's your turn on the other meeting :D
[22:17] <pleia2> or wait until after the weekend and godbyk looks at things
[22:17] <belkinsa> knome, sure.
[22:17] <GunnarHj> pleia2: Indeed you should.
[22:17] <dsmythies> did we agree then, conditionals can come out (and already are, actually, and look and feel can deviate
[22:17] <bkerensa> I agree reviewing it now is probably good
[22:17] <bkerensa> There is so much to be reviewed
[22:17] <godbyk> dsmythies: I'm for removing the conditionals so we have one less potential issue to trip over.
[22:17] <pleia2> ok cool, Documentation is one of my 5 tasks I'm talking about at an Ubucon later this month and I have a blog post on the topic to write ;)
[22:18] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Wouldn't that break things for UbuntuGNOME?
[22:18]  * bkerensa looks forward to hearing the talk at Ubucon
[22:19] <pleia2> I don't know what Ubuntu GNOME does about docs, but this would be the ubuntu documentation package
[22:19] <godbyk> GunnarHj: The GNOME docs are an entirely separate set of files on Ubuntu.  After all it's an Ubuntu flavour.
[22:20] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Yep. We've tested it before.
[22:20] <pleia2> #action godbyk to look at gnome sync this weekend, conditionals will be/are removed
[22:20] <meetingology> ACTION: godbyk to look at gnome sync this weekend, conditionals will be/are removed
[22:20] <dsmythies> Gunnar: Yes. we tested
[22:20] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Ok.
[22:20] <pleia2> #agreed ok to recruit reviewers now
[22:20] <godbyk> GunnarHj: If by 'UbuntuGNOME' you're referring to running GNOME shell under Ubuntu.
[22:20] <godbyk> GunnarHj: If it's a separate distribution, then they're on their own.
[22:21] <pleia2> Ubuntu GNOME is a flavor
[22:21] <pleia2> (like Xubuntu)
[22:21] <dsmythies> I think, but am not sure, that it what I tested.
[22:22] <bkerensa> I would like to add an item to the agenda if we can squeeze it in that being Documentation Release Process
[22:22] <pleia2> #topic Guidelines about wiki work
[22:22] <dsmythies> Gunnar: can we go off line and make sure we are talking about the same thing?
[22:23] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Sure, after the meeting?
[22:23] <dsmythies> O.K.
[22:23] <pleia2> belkinsa & knome - all yours :)
[22:23] <GunnarHj> I brought that item up on the agenda.
[22:23] <pleia2> oh, GunnarHj!
[22:23] <pleia2> sorry :)
[22:24] <knome> hehe
[22:24] <GunnarHj> But more people ought to be interested. ;-)
[22:24] <knome> yeah, i just wanted to read it
[22:24] <belkinsa> The next item is mine though it might need to be only talked about and get used.
[22:24] <knome> and comment
[22:25] <GunnarHj> I'm just wondering how we will reach conclusions and actions with respect to those topics.
[22:25] <GunnarHj> Thinking of discussions about tags and page deletion.
[22:25] <knome> GunnarHj, do you have a clear summary of the current state of the discussion in mind?
[22:25] <knome> or does it look like it's not clear what people want to do
[22:26] <GunnarHj> I'm not that updated...
[22:26] <pleia2> I admit, I kind of lost track of this discussion :(
[22:26] <knome> right
[22:26] <GunnarHj> As regards page deletion: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-December/018472.html
[22:26] <belkinsa> I think the same also.
[22:27] <knome> i think there never was a clear conclusion to things
[22:27] <knome> which is why we're still wondering :)
[22:27] <GunnarHj> knome: Right.
[22:27] <knome> i think the less tags we have, the better.
[22:28] <GunnarHj> knome: Me too.
[22:28] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[22:28] <knome> i don't mind if a tag is a bit off
[22:28] <knome> at least people who care *look* at the page
[22:28] <GunnarHj> Better fix than adding tags.
[22:29] <knome> yep
[22:29] <bkerensa> Yeah
[22:29] <knome> and about deleting pages...
[22:29] <belkinsa> Yes, but we need to find people that will fix the pages if the info is outdated.
[22:29] <knome> i know some people *cough*pleia2*cough* disagree, but we should be braver in deleting
[22:29] <bkerensa> So might I say that I think its worth a thought to consider a migration to mediawiki next cycle to address outdated pages?
[22:29] <pleia2> yeah I hate deleting :)
[22:29] <belkinsa> Mediawiki?
[22:30] <bkerensa> the software that wikipedia is powered by
[22:30] <knome> bkerensa, how would a migration to another wiki software help with outdated pages?
[22:30] <pleia2> bkerensa: have you spoken with IS about this?
[22:30] <pleia2> I think the last thing we need is another migration
[22:30] <bkerensa> knome: They have a stale content tool
[22:30] <belkinsa> Wasn't eagles0513875_ talking about this a few months ago and a few meetings ago
[22:30] <bkerensa> belkinsa: yeah
[22:30] <knome> and how does that tool help us update the pages?
[22:30] <pleia2> I think he was talking about an entirely new system
[22:30] <GunnarHj> I indeed agree with knome that we should be braver as regards deleting.
[22:31] <bkerensa> knome:  It gives a list of ones that are outdated
[22:31] <pleia2> I don't think rehashing this is productive
[22:31] <bkerensa> without tagging
[22:31] <belkinsa> Yeah, I only see a easy to see comment thing for that system.
[22:31] <pleia2> I can be ok with deleting stuff as long as we aren't too aggressive about it
[22:31] <knome> bkerensa, without tagging, but with some more resource usage by mediawiki
[22:31] <pleia2> we should make ever effort to redirect pages to proper documentation
[22:31] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[22:31] <GunnarHj> There was an idea on the list with 'soft deleting', i.e. redirect to a special page. See the above link.
[22:32] <knome> i don't think migrating software is a solution to our problem, really
[22:32] <knome> the information page about deleted content is ++
[22:32] <bkerensa> pleia2: but if the proper doc does not exist and we don't know content is outdated then how do we address that?
[22:32] <bkerensa> MoinMoin is lacking in identifying outdated content
[22:33] <belkinsa> Even in the new versions?
[22:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: tagging works fine for us
[22:33] <bkerensa> 2.0 is supposed to be better
[22:33] <knome> bkerensa, we don't have a software problem
[22:33] <pleia2> knome: +1
[22:33] <GunnarHj> bkerensa: People identify outdated contents, software does not.
[22:33] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-December/018490.html
[22:33] <bkerensa> fair enough
[22:33] <belkinsa> knome, +1 It's how we deal with the stuff.
[22:33] <knome> ^ my comment on the "soft deletion" / "deletion information" page idea
[22:34] <GunnarHj> knome: Yeah, I remember.
[22:34] <bkerensa> fwiw http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Outdated_pages maintenance pages/stale content tools are win because if a page has not been updated in a release cycle it can be automagically listed
[22:35] <pleia2> knome: so perhaps we do our best to redirect to a relevant page, and if not we go to a deleted page info page?
[22:35] <knome> pleia2, exactly
[22:35] <GunnarHj> pleia2: Right.
[22:35] <knome> pleia2, which explains the reason (a tag), then at some point redirects the user to a "where do i go now?" -page
[22:36] <pleia2> wfm
[22:37] <knome> i'll need to work on the soft deletion page
[22:37] <knome> #action knome to work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DeletedPageDraft
[22:37] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DeletedPageDraft
[22:37] <knome> that's actually a POC!
[22:37] <knome> go to that page
[22:38] <pleia2> #agreed Do our best to redirect to a relevant page, and if not send people to DeletedPageDraft
[22:38] <knome> and you'll be shown the reason why a page was deleted, then redirected to the front page
[22:38] <belkinsa> That works.
[22:38] <pleia2> thanks knome :)
[22:38] <GunnarHj> knome: ;-)
[22:38] <knome> pleia2, ....which should have a better name than *Draft later
[22:38] <pleia2> knome: hah, right
[22:38] <pleia2> GunnarHj: any more on this topic?
[22:38] <knome> but sure, works for now
[22:38] <GunnarHj> Nope.
[22:38] <knome> umm,
[22:38] <knome> tags?
[22:38] <pleia2> ok cool, thanks for bringing it back up
[22:38] <knome> are we content with the tags we have now?
[22:39] <knome> or do people think we need to reconsider them?
[22:39] <pleia2> tags now are good
[22:39] <knome> oki
[22:39] <knome> then i'm all good if pleia2 is content with the tags
[22:39] <belkinsa> Same.
[22:40] <GunnarHj> +1
[22:40] <pleia2> #topic Guidelines about using prefixes in mailing-list
[22:41] <pleia2> phew, not belkinsa's turn at the membership board meeting yet ;)
[22:41] <knome> hehe
[22:41] <belkinsa> Okay, we have the three or four prefixes : [Wiki], [server], [desktop], right?
[22:41] <knome> i think using prefixes is sane.
[22:42] <godbyk> I like the prefixes, too.
[22:42] <knome> helps me filter out my mail :)
[22:42] <belkinsa> I think they should be used to differate what we are talking about
[22:42] <pleia2> just as long as it doesn't turn into an issue that we yell at people about for not doing
[22:42] <belkinsa> I think we need to make a wiki page or have this written down something and use it/
[22:43] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc can be updated to explain the tags
[22:43] <belkinsa> +1
[22:43] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: +1
[22:43] <dsmythies> I agree with prefixes (I just have to remember to use them)
[22:43] <pleia2> so someone should draft up what each are, and email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to update the list
[22:43] <godbyk> pleia2: Good idea.
[22:43] <knome> yep, no need to shout
[22:44] <belkinsa> I shall do this since it's my item that I brought up.
[22:44] <knome> the basic idea is to be able to filter/moderate the amount of mail one needs to look at
[22:44] <pleia2> #action belkinsa to draft up details of tags and email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to update the list info
[22:44] <meetingology> ACTION: belkinsa to draft up details of tags and email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to update the list info
[22:44] <pleia2> thanks belkinsa!
[22:44] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[22:44] <knome> if something isn't catched in the filter... well, we all get spam anyway.
[22:44] <pleia2> my brain is bad at adding tags :)
[22:44] <knome> heh
[22:45] <knome> fortunately it's your fingers that type them ;)
[22:45] <belkinsa> Aye, no program can do prefixes yet.
[22:45] <pleia2> #topic Documentation Release Process
[22:45] <pleia2> bkerensa: all yours!
[22:46] <bkerensa> So ideally there seemed to be some confusion last cycle as to what the release processes are
[22:46] <bkerensa> and I just hoped to see if anyone godbyk or dsmythies had questions about that?
[22:47] <dsmythies> There were a couple of issues...
[22:47] <bkerensa> I'm applying for PPU for the ubuntu-doc package so ideally it won't be as troublesome to get the package uploaded since everyone is busy at that point and not much sponsoring occurs that late
[22:47] <godbyk> bkerensa: Ah, that's good to hear.
[22:48] <dsmythies> first, the translators task list is based on the package and not the project. This cuased greif. So this cycle we need to update the package at doc freeze, otherwise translators complain.
[22:48] <bkerensa> yes
[22:49] <bkerensa> One thing I am also thinking is next cycle I might consider taking on more of just a release management role for docs if thats of interest
[22:49] <godbyk> Is there a crib page on the wiki that walks someone through the release process?  If not, it'd be great if we could create one.
[22:49] <bkerensa> that being handling our release/upload but also tracking our bugs to ensure we square away issues that will impact our users
[22:50] <dsmythies> Second: and in my opinion, there is a problem in launchpad, where it will back date stuff and it is really really confusing as to who did what when.
[22:50] <bkerensa> godbyk: there is a list of stuff to do on mailing list that jbicha left
[22:50] <bkerensa> and its basically that + packaging plus doing some tasks on LP that are not documented and as dsmythies points out is troublesome
[22:50] <godbyk> bkerensa: Could you help me expand that and put it on the wiki?
[22:50] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: back date?
[22:50] <dsmythies> The process for upload, as Benjamin knows, is unlcear to me, and remains so.
[22:51] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I think that could be easily straightened out.
[22:51] <bkerensa> dsmythies: so the process for uploading is that its packaged and a debdiff is generated
[22:51] <dsmythies> Gunner: I'll have to find and example, It is incredibly annoying. But no information is given as to who accpeted something or when, it gets backdated.
[22:51] <bkerensa> and a developer with upload rights then uploads it
[22:52] <godbyk> Perhaps it's only my own ignorance, but I get the impression that a lot of the knowledge of the details of the release process are tucked away in a few people's heads and I'd like to get it written down somewhere public so someone else could go through the entire release process on their own if those knowledgeable people fall off the face of the planet.
[22:52] <bkerensa> I don't have upload rights for ubuntu-docs so in this case I have to nag a core dev
[22:52] <pleia2> godbyk: +1
[22:52] <dsmythies> yes, but the date can be be weeks ago.
[22:52] <dsmythies> ... wait I misssed a bunch of text...
[22:52] <GunnarHj> I have PPU rights for a couple of packages. Can try to get it for ubuntu-docs as well.
[22:53] <bkerensa> godbyk: so the release precedes as far as getting the branch ready for packaging and upload are on the mailing list
[22:53] <dsmythies> gobdyk: There is an exact "how to be a doc committor for serverguide page. the same is needed for dektop.
[22:53] <pleia2> GunnarHj: I think it would be great to have a couple folks on the team with PPU for docs
[22:53] <GunnarHj> pleia2: Yeah.. And we should apparently document this somewhere.
[22:53] <pleia2> indeed :)
[22:54] <belkinsa> +1
[22:54] <bkerensa> godbyk: in regards to packaging and uploading it I think this is something that should be a pathway for devs
[22:54] <pleia2> bkerensa: can you work with godbyk to document some of this process in public?
[22:54] <pleia2> s/this process/the release process
[22:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: which part?
[22:54] <godbyk> bkerensa: everything. :)
[22:54] <pleia2> everything, it's currently scattered in mailing lists posts and brains
[22:55] <bkerensa> sure
[22:55] <GunnarHj> Let's not reinvent the wheel now...
[22:55] <pleia2> #action bkerensa to work with godbyk to document the release process
[22:55] <meetingology> ACTION: bkerensa to work with godbyk to document the release process
[22:55] <bkerensa> in regards to the packaging bit I think we need to encourage people to follow the developer pathway
[22:55] <pleia2> yeah, we can link to docs on that as needed
[22:55] <pleia2> but I've been around for a while now, and I still don't have a high level view of how this magic happens
[22:55] <dsmythies> yes, everything. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide
[22:56] <GunnarHj> pleia2: You learn it by doing, basically. ;-)
[22:56] <dsmythies> bkerensa: I spent many many 10s of hours on it last cycle and got nowhere.
[22:56] <pleia2> I'd say we start with an outline of everything that needs to be done, and then expand from there
[22:56] <knome> i think it would make sense if there was somebody assigned per cycle to make sure (with other documentation 'leaders') doc strings are in .pots on docstringfreeze and later, (help) upload packages
[22:56] <bkerensa> dsmythies: I spent two years learning packaging ;)
[22:57] <pleia2> packaging is hard
[22:57] <bkerensa> and still don't have it all figured out
[22:57] <knome> it's not a huge undertaking, but it would be soothing to know there is somebody to do it.
[22:57] <pleia2> I landed my first package in debian in 2006 and I'm still lousy at it :)
[22:57] <knome> obviously, this person should be somebody who has PPU for the docs packages.
[22:57] <godbyk> I haven't packaged anything yet, but I'm willing to learn.
[22:57] <bkerensa> thats why I think the developer guide and normal pathway is win because giving a watered down course or guide on packaging is going to end in people learning hanky and then dev member board is not going to approve those people PPU because they won't confident in their skills
[22:57] <dsmythies> pakcaging aside, I have a pretty good handle on the rest of it.
[22:58] <bkerensa> I want people to be successful in that
[22:58] <bkerensa> yeah
[22:58] <bkerensa> I highly encourage folks to dig up dholbach or slangaseks google hangout videos about anatomy of packaging
[22:58] <pleia2> so maybe add some packaging links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide ?
[22:58] <bkerensa> yes
[22:58] <godbyk> bkerensa: That's fine, but there's a lot more to it than just creating a deb file. I want to document everything that needs to be done before and after the dev pathway you mentioned. Then we can just link to the dev pathway docs in the middle.
[22:59] <pleia2> ok cool
[22:59] <bkerensa> godbyk: sure lets nail that down before end of cycle
[22:59] <dsmythies> No, to the generic page, the serverguide has not package version.
[22:59] <pleia2> thanks bkerensa!
[22:59] <pleia2> dsmythies: oh, right
[22:59] <godbyk> bkerensa: Sounds like a plan. I'll send you and email and we can start working on that stuff. Thanks!
[22:59] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[22:59] <dsmythies> this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members
[22:59] <bkerensa> godbyk: and although I am often gone if you ever want to setup a time/day to learn some packaging I am happy to show you what I know
[23:00] <pleia2> Anything else? (I hope not, this rounds up hour 3 of meetings for me today and I may killself)
[23:00] <pleia2> ((just kidding))
[23:00] <godbyk> bkerensa: Cool. Yeah, I'm sure we can find a time to get together and work on that.
[23:00] <dsmythies> yes,
[23:00] <belkinsa> knome, piny and ready
[23:00] <knome> ta
[23:00] <dsmythies> Is ther a "how to do a classroom session" somehwere?
[23:00] <pleia2> dsmythies: yeah, sec
[23:00] <godbyk> dsmythies: Great question!
[23:00] <GunnarHj> I posted an application for ubuntu-core-docs. Glad if somebody get it some attention. ;-)
[23:01] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines
[23:01] <godbyk> It's been forever since I've done that stuff.. and I think it's changed since then.
[23:01] <pleia2> and you can see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom for links to past classes
[23:01] <dsmythies> pleia2: thanks.
[23:01] <pleia2> to get an idea of what others folks have done
[23:01] <dsmythies> I like to learn by example.
[23:01]  * bkerensa must depart (epic winter storm here ttyl)
[23:02] <godbyk> bkerensa: Take care and thanks for coming!
[23:02] <dsmythies> Gunnar: I support your application, and was going to suggest it anyhow.
[23:02] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Thanks. :)
[23:02] <godbyk> I'm glad to see the docs team member roster growing again.
[23:03] <pleia2> yes, very exciting :)
[23:03] <dsmythies> Yes +1
[23:03] <GunnarHj> +1
[23:03] <dsmythies> Gunnar: I didn't actually see any application though. (?)
[23:04] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: On the list - maybe the wrong place?
[23:04] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Apply to join the team on Launchpad.  Then we can approve it.
[23:04] <dsmythies> I must have misssed it, sorry.
[23:04] <dsmythies> Yes, like godbyk said.
[23:04] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[23:05] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-February/018664.html
[23:05] <pleia2> +1 on list would be nice :)
[23:05] <pleia2> (like was done for jack)
[23:05] <dsmythies> opps, it went to my junk mail...
[23:06] <dsmythies> yes, I like the idea of some on-list debate
[23:06] <GunnarHj> Is that sufficient then?
[23:06] <godbyk> dsmythies, pleia2: Agreed.
[23:07] <dsmythies> Gunnar: Yes, I found out via the one earlier, that we (admins) can add someone without them applying.
[23:07] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, thanks.
[23:08] <pleia2> alright, thanks everyone
[23:08] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[23:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  6 23:08:15 2014 UTC.
[23:08] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-doc/2014/ubuntu-doc.2014-02-06-22.00.moin.txt
[23:08] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-doc/2014/ubuntu-doc.2014-02-06-22.00.html
[23:08] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[23:08] <belkinsa> Thanks for the meeting.
[23:08] <dsmythies> yes, thanks all.
[23:08] <pleia2> belkinsa: congrats on membership! :D
[23:08] <pleia2> (she just got it, during this meeting)
[23:08] <godbyk> Thanks for chairing, pleia2.
[23:08] <belkinsa> Thank you!
[23:08] <knome> pleia2, thanks for chairing. hopefully it was your last meeting for today :)
[23:08] <godbyk> belkinsa: Congratulations!
[23:08] <GunnarHj> Thanks all, and congrats belkinsa!
[23:09] <pleia2> no moar meetings
[23:09] <pleia2> :)
[23:09] <knome> yay!
[23:10] <pleia2> now I get to work all night at $dayjob to catch up
[23:11] <knome> >__<
[23:11] <godbyk> pleia2: Time for me to get back to my day job, too. :)
[23:13] <knome> time to get to my night job :P


[00:12] <skaet> highvoltage,  :)
[00:13] <skaet> slangasek,  blog entry done.  Seems I don't have permissions for that final step though.
[00:13] <slangasek> what's the final step/
[00:13] <slangasek> ?
[00:13] <skaet> Post announcement to Launchpad (ubuntu-drivers members have posting rights)
[00:14] <skaet> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+announce
[00:14] <slangasek> seems I don't have access anymore either
[00:14] <slangasek> I think you need someone on the TB then
[00:15]  * skaet nods
[00:16] <skaet> yeah, we need to change that comment as well then.
[00:21] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti ^^
[00:46] <skaet> slangasek, cjwatson, pitti - kees helped out,  step 5 done.
[00:46] <skaet> And with that - I call it a day.
[00:46] <slangasek> ok, great :)
[00:46] <slangasek> congrats on the beta!
[00:47] <skaet> thank you all,  for getting the beta out!   awesome teamwork.  :)
[01:00] <slangasek> oh geez
[01:00] <slangasek> Build status
[01:00] <slangasek> [NEEDSBUILD] Needs building
[01:00] <slangasek>     Start 2011-04-03
[01:00] <slangasek> wtf, ppc
[01:10] <kirkland> could I get permission to upload this to natty?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/588060/
[01:11] <kirkland> i have a couple of other fixes coming for cobbler, but this one in particular is making iterative development difficult
[01:11]  * kirkland uploads, as I know you'll reject if there's a problem
[01:19] <kirkland> Okay, just uploaded cobbler part 2 of obvious fixes
[01:19]  * micahg thought the archive was open again
[01:19] <kirkland> i have some more functional ones coming tomorrow
[01:19] <kirkland> for now, I'm worn out
[07:25] <pitti> skaet: congratulations!
[12:48] <cjwatson> skaet: do we have to have the release meeting today?  dunno about you but I'm knackered. :-)
[12:48] <cjwatson> (I notice you haven't sent out the agenda yet, so was wondering if you were contemplating cancelling)
[13:11] <Daviey> fwiw, our team has nothing new/scary to report.
[13:35] <pitti> cjwatson, skaet: FYI, cd image cronjobs turned back on
[13:36] <pitti> nothing major from desktop either
[13:36] <pitti> except that the latest unity fixed a gazillion crashes, it's actually stable again :)
[13:45] <Daviey> pitti, seems 2d unity was fixed aswell!
[13:46]  * cjwatson is still deep inside a horrifically complex gdb/qemu session for wubi
[13:46] <cjwatson> 18 breakpoints with a bunch of custom commands ...
[14:11]  * ogra_ wouldnt have much to report for armel either ... and wouldnt mind skipping this week
[14:22] <ScottK> cjwatson or pitti (or any other release team member): Please look at the utouch-grail upload that just went up and the commentary in Bug 742582.  I think it's completely out of line.
[14:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 742582 in utouch-grail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add touch gesture events (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742582
[14:23] <ScottK> "if anyone has any problems with this change, they need to take it up with Mark Shuttleworth" and then uploads.
[14:32] <cjwatson> ScottK: I'm not hugely fond of that comment, but pitti had already approved the FFE (comment #8)
[14:33] <ScottK> OK.
[14:33] <ScottK> I'd missed that.
[14:44] <pitti> not that I'd massively like it either, but there wasn't a lot to decide about this :/
[14:51] <ScottK> Agreed.
[14:51] <ScottK> I think it had to be approved, but the take it up with ... comment is really out of line.
[14:52] <ScottK> It was also, as cjwatson thankfully pointed out to  me, completely unneeded since you'd already approved it.
[14:53] <ScottK> Given that the function was specified and Unity depended on it, they could have even reasonably argued it was a bug fix.
[15:08] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti, Daviey - yeah, ran out of energy to get the agenda updated with the latest bugs after finishing the release.   I figured a quick round table might be prudent though to make sure we're all set on plans for the next couple of weeks.   I want to make sure everyone is aware of the freeze dates we talked about on u-release maillist,  for instance.
[15:09] <skaet> don't bother preparing reports, just interested if there are any critical issues.
[15:11] <skaet> would also like to see what the results are like from the testing and hardware cert teams.
[15:21] <skaet> ScottK,  Riddell,  ^^
[15:22] <ScottK> OK.
[16:43] <matttbe> Hello
[16:43] <matttbe>  I'm part of the Cairo-Dock team and I want to update Cairo-Dock packages on Ubuntu. I've opened two bug reports (cairo-dock and its plug-ins) one month ago (before the FF) with two linked branches: https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/723994 & https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/723995.
[16:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 723994 in cairo-dock (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "FFe: Please update Cairo-Dock to 2.3.0~0rc1 version (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,New]
[16:43] <matttbe> I've contacted a few people on IRC and we said to me last time that I'd to do this request today (due to the beta freeze).
[16:43] <matttbe> So... is it possible to help me?
[16:59] <matttbe> Ok I'll be back later but I hope somebody may help me!
[17:12] <skaet> matttbe,  sorry  we were in release meeting
[17:14] <skaet> pitti,  around?
[17:14] <pitti> skaet: yes
[17:15] <skaet> pitti,  any reservations on accepting the new cairo-dock in?
[17:15]  * pitti looks
[17:16] <pitti> skaet: if you looked at it, fine for me; it's an universe leaf package
[17:18] <skaet> pitti,   haven't gone through the code yet,  but will do the check then if it has a chance.   it seems to have been overlooked, and a probable good thing to have.
[17:19] <skaet> micahg,  you had some issues on the cairo-dock plug-ins   did they get resolved?
[17:23] <micahg> skaet: I wanted to look into the option of merging from Debian, but at this point, I would just take what he has if it's upload worthy and merge next cycle
[17:23] <skaet> micahg,  ok.
[17:24] <skaet> thanks
[17:24] <Laney> he disagrees with how Debian has done the packaging
[17:27] <ScottK> skaet and micahg: We need to be careful not to fork the package from Debian.
[17:27] <Laney> why do we have cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-plug-ins?
[17:27] <micahg> right, he says it's not in the spirit of upstream, I was going to review that, but he said that we never merged from Debian before
[17:27] <Laney> looks like the former has never even built
[17:27] <ScottK> One is a transitional package.
[17:27] <micahg> Laney: that's another problem
[17:27] <ScottK> Or our package naming is different.
[17:29] <Laney> we should probably remove & blacklist it until this is sorted out
[17:29] <Laney> and encourage him to speak to Debian
[17:29] <micahg> yep, we've never merged with Debian before for cairo-dock, so I'd say we can worry about that next cycle, the -plug-ins -plugins issue is another story, we should probably just drop the Debian one for this cycle and get it sorted out early in oneiric
[17:30] <micahg> IMHO
[17:30] <micahg> Laney: he already has, but maybe we can help facilitate better communication
[17:30] <Laney> yeah
[17:30] <Laney> do we have a clear description of what the problems are?
[18:31] <micahg> skaet: ping
[18:32] <skaet> micahg:  yup?
[18:33] <micahg> skaet: hi, there's a thunderbird update planned for during final freeze (april 19), but that might slip a couple days, wondering if we should try to get it in or stage it in the security PPA
[18:33]  * skaet checking some dates ... sec
[18:35] <skaet> micahg, april 19 is way too late for Natty,  so it will have to go in after.
[18:35] <skaet> is it a security fix?   if not,  should probably go through the SRU side.
[18:35] <cjwatson> -security rather than SRU
[18:35] <cjwatson> (SRU => -proposed/-updates)
[18:35] <micahg> skaet: ok, we can probably upload it once it hits the beta channel upstream (apr 4), I'm just wondering about any potential respins
[18:35] <skaet> :)
[18:36] <micahg> probably has security fixes
[18:37] <skaet> fair enough then.
[18:37] <skaet> 4/11 is when we freeze for beta 2 - so best if its in before then.
[18:39] <micahg> skaet: well, I or chrisccoulson can get whatever the current build candidate is by then, I'm wondering what to do though if there's a respin after that point
[18:39] <skaet> After that,  -security option,  if there are true security bug fixes that still need to be applied.    -proposed for other bug fixes.   ok?
[18:40] <skaet> micahg,  don't wait until 4/11 please - earlier is better.
[18:41] <micahg> skaet: well, here's the real question, do we risk having a non-final build at release if there's a respin
[18:41] <micahg> or do we release the security update potentially 9 days late
[18:41] <skaet> bug fixes will be reviewed and accepted for beta 2, and up 4/21.
[18:42] <skaet> so,  4/19 could conceivably squeak in if the bug fixes are reasonable.   But would want it as diffs, rather than full image, so we know what's there.
[18:43] <micahg> skaet: ok, anything for the respins would be bug fix
[18:43] <skaet> If there wasn't security fixes involved,  I'd be tempted to just wait until oneiric.
[18:43] <skaet> thanks micahg
[18:44] <micahg> skaet: ok, so to summarize so I'm clear, we should get in the candidate build as soon as possible and bug fixes to the candidate build would most likely be ok up until 4/21
[18:45] <skaet> micahg, since we'll be doing the release images build on 4/21,  best plan on fixes up to 4/20.
[18:45]  * micahg hopes they release on time then
[18:45]  * skaet agrees.
[18:45] <micahg> skaet: I'll actually be off 4/19 and 4/20, but hopefully we'll know the week before
[18:45] <cjwatson> I think that may be bug 742967 dead at last
[18:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 742967 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Natty Wubi grub prompt on install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742967
[18:46] <cjwatson> ev will need to build a new Wubi binary though
[18:46] <cjwatson> (after it's built)
[18:46] <skaet> otherwise,  its probably going to be get it into the -security queue,  and have it ready as a 0-day fix.
[18:46] <ev> will do
[18:46] <skaet> cjwatson,  that's great to hear.  :)
[18:46] <micahg> skaet: BTW, it's on xubuntu that would be impacted by this if an ISO respin was needed
[18:46] <micahg> *only
[18:46] <ScottK> skaet: I suspect getting it in between Beta 2 and when we spin the final candidate images would be OK.
[18:47] <cjwatson> ev: upgrading to grub-pc 1.99~rc1-8ubuntu1 should be sufficient
[18:47] <ScottK> It = Thunderbird.
[18:48] <ev> cjwatson: congratulations on hopefully getting to the bottom of it
[18:48] <skaet> micahg,  Thunderbird does tend to get used by alot of Ubuntu users as well, so not sure its just Xubuntu impact.
[18:48] <ev> and noted
[18:48] <cjwatson> ev: I did eventually manage to distil a non-Wubi test environment out of it
[18:48] <micahg> skaet: right, but I think that's the only ISO impacted
[18:49] <skaet> micahg - fair 'nuf.  :)
[18:49] <ev> cjwatson: in that you were able to reproduce the bug outside of a wubi install, or you crafted something reusable for further testing of grub?
[18:50] <cjwatson> if you have a config file on a loopback device that re-loopbacks itself and then calls loadfont on unicode.pf2 (to allocate lots of memory and force the freed memory out), and then a big pile of comments to ensure that you go onto another disk block, then some random echo comments, the echo commands will fail to run correctly
[18:50] <micahg> skaet: I'm wrong, the DVD is as well...
[18:50] <cjwatson> it's not a reliable test, but it was good enough to check that I'd got it right
[18:51] <ev> nice
[18:51] <cjwatson> in the Wubi environment, I just forced it to skip over the re-loopback, and confirmed that I got to a GRUB menu that way
[18:52] <cjwatson> (forced> using a very carefully-selected breakpoint and 'jump' in gdb)
[18:56] <skaet> micahg,  ack.   4/20 for fixes in, else plan on zero day updates.
[18:56] <dobey> hi all
[18:56]  * skaet --> lunch and some errands,  back on later.
[18:56] <dobey> i was wondering about the progress on the exception request for bug #733327
[18:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733327 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[UI FFE] Notify user of missing MP3 support (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733327


[02:28] <rafiyr> Anyone know of an existing fix for evdev rotation?
[02:30] <KiBi> rafiyr: mobile device?
[02:31] <rafiyr> latitude XT (flip screen tablet)
[02:31] <rafiyr> there's a scaling issue if you just twiddle the options with xinput
[02:32] <rafiyr> I was just about to fix, but figured I'd check to see if its already been fixed first
[02:32] <KiBi> ok; just wondering whether that might have had something to do wit some debian bug I just took care of (and no, nothing to do)
[09:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hello, would it be worth it to include a patched "ia32-lib package" to enable opengl acceleration for nouveau with precomiled 32bit applications on 64bit systems (like google-earth)
[15:48] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i dont do that because updating that massive monster every few days along with mesa is crazy :) yes its possible though,  note that it wont work with wine since thats hardcodes opengl vendor names
[16:01] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i also thought so because of its size -- is it possible to create a package which overwrite some files on purpose and let the "broken" package be installed
[16:02] <ricotz> so creating something like a "patch package" for ia32-lib
[16:15] <Sarvatt> ricotz: have you tried updating ia32-libs before? its pretty easy, would be easier to just update it than do all that i'd think
[16:16] <Sarvatt> its the fact that the main user for the 32 bit opengl wouldn't work anyway that stopped me from doing it, not enough time in the day to update all the rest of the stuff as it is but if you wanted to do it it'd be much appreciated
[16:17] <Sarvatt> the radeon r600+ people would appreciate it too since r600 has a higher gl version in edgers than lucid
[16:20] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah i think i could update it, but uploading 600mb is not possible for me :(
[16:30] <Sarvatt> if i had the disk space on my vps to do it i'd set you up an account, but i'm already pushing my limits :(
[16:31] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ugh, did you see? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/564181
[17:54] <tormod> vish, would you be willing to bisect that memory hog issue on your X1400?
[17:57] <vish> tormod: sure.. just a sec
[18:05] <vish> tormod: hi.. i'm using the bryceh's ppa but still i dont think it is solved.. better but still a problem
[18:10]  * vish waits for tormod's instructions :)
[18:18] <tormod> vish, (sorry was afk) first, install git-core, and then the rest is well explained here: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd#gitBisecting
[18:19] <tormod> but start with git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati
[18:21] <tormod> vish, yes bryceh's ppa backed out a bunch of R6xx stuff, but you have an R500 card...
[18:22] <vish> ok..
[18:22]  * vish reads wiki instructions
[18:25] <tormod> you might want to do a test build and verify the issue is there, before you start the bisecting
[18:27] <vish> hmm weird , Xorg memory usage in sysmonitor stays nearly the same at 33.7Mib
[18:28] <vish> but when i'm watching a flash video , and opening a lot of apps like inkscape and others , the swap starts to get eaten :s
[18:30] <vish> tormod: is there any instructions for doing a test build?
[18:31] <tormod> vish, just do the ./autogen.sh && make && sudo make install
[18:31] <vish> righto..
[18:31] <tormod> hmm maybe you have to run ./configure first, you'll see...
[18:33] <tormod> (no forget configure, you're running autogen which calls configure)
[19:11] <vish> tormod: i get the following error while building >  http://paste.ubuntu.com/416263/
[19:12] <tormod> vish, you did install the build-dep packages?
[19:13] <vish> tormod: hmm , no , i have to install  build-dep alone or any other packages?
[19:13] <tormod> no, just run sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati
[19:15] <vish> k..
[19:36] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ping
[19:36] <ricotz> perhaps you can give this a try https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/1080802/+listing-archive-extra
[21:48] <joaopinto> hi


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[03:36] <cham> hello
[03:37] <cham> テスト
[04:07] <L3top> !jp | cham
[05:09] <ed3lgon> n
[05:10] <ed3lgon> hello there
[05:18] <mr0wl> hey, i lost plymouth splash screen, all i get now is "Kubuntu...." with white background and text.
[05:18] <mr0wl> any idea on how to get it back?
[05:56] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[06:43] <Smurphy> Morning
[07:58] <floown> hello
[07:58] <floown> I can not share a directory truth samba, in Dolphin
[08:00] <floown> when I do a right clic, the share options for invite is not selectable
[08:04] <floown> ok, I have try with a another directory, it's works for a dir in my home
[08:04] <floown> but not for a hdd in ntfs mounted with fstab
[08:05] <floown> # /windows was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[08:05] <floown> UUID=C698A46898A45927 /mnt/windows        ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
[08:36] <Guest43510> .
[09:51] <ct529> hi there .... how can I partition a new disk using GPt rather than old MBR 4 partition structure?
[09:55] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:56] <hateball> ct529: is this a drive you have yet to install an OS on?
[09:56] <hateball> or rather... do you have access to the drive, with your installed OS?
[09:59] <ct529> hateball: yes, it is a new drive, nothing on it, still to be formatted
[10:03] <ct529> hateball: yes, I have access to the drive .... I can simply stick it into my laptop
[10:03] <ct529> hateball: or even connect it externally
[10:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> what OS do you plan to run on it ct529? just wondering
[10:08] <ct529> mydogsnameisrudy: a couple of versions of linux
[10:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok i was reading some on it ....
[10:12]  * ct529 pings hateball
[10:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> ct529:  found this info   not sure if it will help any  http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/
[10:16] <kchat> Hello, just installed kubuntu for testing purposes, I'm looking for /etc/inittab to set the runlevel at boot time, but I can't find it, does anyone know if there is a simple and fast way to do it?
[10:20] <philwyett> kchat: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#change-runlevel-immediately
[10:21] <ct529> mydogsnameisrudy: thanks a lot
[10:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> seems to have all you need ? ct529
[10:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> im going to read thru it also seem intereesting
[10:23] <ct529> mydogsnameisrudy: mmmm .... I will let you know as soon as I have worked my way through .... :-D
[10:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok ;)
[10:24] <kchat> Thank you very much philwyett ...
[10:24] <kchat> this is ok ...
[10:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> ct529:  more info to look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69X9ZYA41xU&feature=plcp
[11:02] <ct529> mydogsnameisrudy: I do not udnerstand .... my list of potential partition types does not allow for linux filesystem
[11:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> not sure why you want this i guess alot of work to get it running but , way more then i would do ;)
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> hey BluesKaj
[11:45] <BluesKaj> hi mydogsnameisrudy
[13:05] <oracleoftruth> Hello there. Is anyone able to help with networking? Just need to connect two kubuntu 12.04 laptops on the wireless network. Cannot work out why its not working. Tried samba but no luck. Could be firewall?
[13:07] <hateball> what do you need to connect?
[13:07] <hateball> share files?
[13:08] <hateball> My experience with samba is little, and full of headache. I'd just use sshfs if it's about file-sharing
 yeah just share some files.
[13:09] <hateball> !sshfs
 right. I don't know anything about sshfs
[13:10] <oracleoftruth> Brilliant thanks!
[13:10] <hateball> or even
[13:10] <hateball> !nfs
[13:10] <hateball> If you're doing Linux <-> Linux networking, Samba is like the last resort :)
[13:11] <hateball> And for me, it is even if there are other OS's involved ;p
[13:11] <oracleoftruth> Thanks <hateball>! I appreciate it
[13:17] <sktrasher> bonjour à tous
[13:18] <sktrasher> je chreche un canal irc a propos de Qt4
[13:32] <RagnaRok__> guys whenever i try to create a new project under netbeans (7.0.1) and switch to the design tab the preview window just reads "loading..." but nothing seems to happen
[13:32] <RagnaRok__> how can i fix this?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> !fr | sktrasher
[13:48] <sktrasher> ok
[13:49]  * Smurphy love the channel polic -> Traduction: J'adore la police du channel ...
[13:51] <BluesKaj> quel police du canal ? :)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, ^
[13:52] <Smurphy> toi :) Qui d'autre ...
[13:52] <Smurphy> Nous sommes sur une Planete - elle s'appelle Terre - 3ieme en partant du soleil :}
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I'm not an op
[13:53] <Smurphy> Si un pays la bousille - on est tous bousillé :)
[13:53] <Smurphy> Si - tu dis aux étranger d'aller autre part :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> enough  french , I was just kidding around  ... 3rd planet from then sun , but destroyed? what's that about
[13:58] <utu-san> topic was set last May and it's now July.  Is kubuntu in limbo?
[13:59] <utu-san> am curious about the election though
[13:59] <utu-san> still tallying?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> the guidelines don't change , the sites posted there have info that does though
[13:59] <BluesKaj> dunno
[14:00] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: Hitchhikers guide :)
[14:00] <utu-san> guidelines?  you mean the election thing doesn't change?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> utu-san, of course not , the results will still be posted at the same site as I said
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I no longer hitchhike :)
[14:02] <Smurphy> :} I do ...
[14:03] <BluesKaj> and haven't for a very very long time
[14:18] <stripe> hi all, cant get/change the menu options on Kplayer  (fullscreen/progress etc) any ideas?? thanks
[14:22] <BluesKaj> stripe, use dragonplayer , it's the default or Mplayer
[14:27] <stripe> <BluesKaj dragonplayer and mplayer will not play all of my mp4 videos but Kplayer will (no idea why)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> stripe, have you nstalled kubuntu-restricted-extras and the extra codecs available at the medibuntu repos
[14:30] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | stripe
[14:31] <stripe> BluesKaj: I have installed the restricted extras, but dont know anything about medibunttu, am looking for it now
[14:37] <BluesKaj> look above stri
[15:07] <dougl> linux-headers-3.2.0-23
[15:07] <dougl> linux-headers-3.2.0-23-lowlatency
[15:07] <dougl> linux-image-3.2.0-23-lowlatency is what I want to try for my freezing up 64 bit kubuntu 12.04 -> how do I install this kernel?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> dougl, http://askubuntu.com/questions/142192/can-i-install-linux-kernel-3-4-in-ubuntu-and-kubuntu-12-04
[15:10] <dougl> BluesKaj, How are you :) => thanks
[15:10] <BluesKaj> any  error messages in /var/log/, dougl , sounds like X problems with plasma
[15:11] <dougl> BluesKaj, checking...
[15:11] <dougl> err - what log file?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> dougl, probly Xorg.0.log
[15:15] <dougl> BluesKaj, my kubuntu connected UPS went off line at 12:41 last night so my kubuntu froze at 12:40 => how do I find log entries for that time?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> dougl, try syslog.1
[15:20] <stripe> Hi all, have installed: restricted extras and medibuntu, but certain mp4 video files will not play in dragonplayer and gnome mplayer, but they will play in kplayer and vlc, any ideas?? thanks
[15:23] <BluesKaj> stripe, perhaps they are DRM encoded , best to install libdvdcss2 globally, sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2, in the terminal
[15:23] <stripe> thanks BluesKaj will tr4y that
[15:26] <stripe> BluesKaj no difference,  Strange thing is that I dont have the same problems with other videos from the same site (youtube)
[15:30] <BluesKaj> stripe, these are downloaded files from youtbe then they could H264 which are only playable on VLC and a couple of other players ..H264 is patented in North America and some euro countries and some in asia as well
[15:31] <BluesKaj> be happy they play in VLC , i's the best player out here IME , once you learn how to use it , which does take time and patience, it's the best player
[15:33] <BluesKaj> !info H 264
[15:33] <dougl> BluesKaj, the logs only dsplay data up to 9:46 am when I hard booted after freeze :(
[15:33] <BluesKaj> !info H264
[15:33] <stripe> Thanks BluesKaj, that could be the problem, I am happy they play in VLC (I like it as well) going to try to convert 1 and see what that does. thanks again for the help mate.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> stripe why convert ?
[15:34] <bazhang> x264, h264enc  may be what you want
[15:34] <bazhang> !info x264
[15:34] <BluesKaj> daed, he wants to decode the files
[15:35] <BluesKaj> bazhang, ^
[15:35] <stripe> BluesKaj: just one to see if it makes a difference, thats all
[15:35] <BluesKaj> stripe, it will , probly lossy
[15:35] <bazhang> then use handbrake
[15:36] <stripe> BluesKaj:  cheers mate, thanks again for the help
[15:36] <BluesKaj> VLC might convert it as well
[16:22] <dougl> updated my kernel => where do I go to enable my nvidia drivers again?
[16:23]  * dougl has 640x480 splattered accross 22" screen and cannot see much
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[16:30] <DarthFrog> maco:  Thank you.
[16:38] <dougl> I just installed 3.4.0 kernel on my 12.04 kubuntu and now my nvidia drivers won't install - any suggestions?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> dougl, which nvidi drivers and which card
[16:39] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[16:40] <dougl> 295.40 and...
[16:41] <dougl> gt220
[16:43] <BluesKaj>  dougl onboard?
[16:43] <dougl> no... card in slot
[16:44] <dougl> http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/04/01/3-4-0-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
[16:44] <dougl> there is info on issue... just need to find out where I can get the installer
[16:47] <philwyett> dougl: If you want help from wetall (author of article) join #crystalspace or #ubuntu. He may help you directly.
[16:48] <dougl> philwyett, thanks - never noticed the connection :)
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dougl, check additional driver in kmenu>apps>system, choose the recommended driver
[16:53] <dougl> BluesKaj, "Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log"
[16:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, bummer , maybe the nvidia proprietary or xedgers ppa is worth looking ar
[16:54] <dougl> BluesKaj, k - thanks
[17:27] <Miguelito> Hey any multimedia wiz's here :)
[17:42] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:53] <Num83rGuy> Does network manager create a tun device for VPN connections or can it if requested?
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you there?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yes phoenix_firebrd
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: due you compile form source?
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: *from
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i know you dont like pulseaudio, i am starting to feel the same
[17:59] <BluesKaj> I have yes
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: so you compile from source?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> well, i have to tolerste pulse because my soundcard doesn't play webaudio without it
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[18:00] <BluesKaj> I compile from source only if I have to
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: now you use pulseaudio right?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what is your current kde version?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, kde 4.8.90
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: nice
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: is you kmix working properly after changing from stereo to 5.1
[18:04] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I use digital out from the spdif to an audio sytem amp which converts the dgital signal to analog
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thats nice, you escaped
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: they is a bug in kmix in selecting the master channel selection
[18:07] <BluesKaj> i have only one master in kmix , but if you set the master in alsamixer , it should work
[18:11] <mmh> when i try to lower brightness my system freezes..is it bug in LTS?please help me out
[18:11] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, paste your alsamixer
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: a fellow in kde-bugs is helping in testing my patch, can you wait?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> I'll be here for a little while
[18:15] <Num83rGuy> Does network manager create a tun device for VPN connections or can it if requested?
[18:15] <mmh> i cannot even enter command mode i .e Ctr+Alt+F1 ..i have to forcely shutdown wenever it freezes
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy, dunno what a tun device is , but i believe VPN can be configured to work with NM
[18:22] <Num83rGuy> BluesKaj: I think I finally found the answer, tun is a tunnel device and yes it seems that tun0 is my VPN connection.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy, ok then ssh would be one method of tunneling
[18:27] <Num83rGuy> Yes. I wanted to lock some programs to my VPN connection so if it goes down no data is transmitted on my standard network.
[18:28] <Num83rGuy> By using only tun0 as opposed to eth0 I can do that.
[19:38] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you there?
[19:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/219235
[19:44] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, move the --> to the line out etc so I can see the rest of the alsamixer ctrls
[19:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/219237
[19:49] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, is there no line out ?
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/219238
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have pasted all, capture and playback, thats the entire thing, no line out i guess, i cant see any thing like that
[19:54] <BluesKaj> ok phoenix_firebrd looks like the analog 5.1 is working , but I'm not real familiar with that. Is there no sound from those outputs or ?
[19:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no no, audio is fine here
[19:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: kmix is the problem
[19:57] <BluesKaj> have you tried removing kmix , it's bascivally just a gui with volume ctrl and install pavucontrol or veromix instead to replace it
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  i dont like veromix
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: pavucontrol is a gtk one
[19:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: hm?
[19:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have fixed the bug in kmix, i am trying to post it to the review board, having problem with the diff file
[20:00] <BluesKaj> how did you fix it phoenix_firebrd , care to share ?
[20:00] <yofel> how did you create the file? Usually just use git diff
[20:00] <yofel> or commit and use git format-patch
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: sure i will paste the link to the diff
[20:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i haven't tried both the thing you are telling, can you check the diff file ?
[20:02] <yofel> well, feel free to pastebin it
[20:02] <phoenix_firebrd> http://paste.kde.org/511328/
[20:02]  * BluesKaj shrugs , I have pavucontrol and pulseaudio , I don't like them , but I have to live with it in order to have audio on websites , mostly because flash audio doesn't link to alsa thru my pci soundcard from a browser
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i know :)
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: checking?
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: this is the error message i am getting when uploading the diff file to the review board "The file 'gui/dialogselectmaster.cpp' (r) could not be found in the repository"
[20:04] <yofel> looking
[20:05] <yofel> hm, are you sure you selected the right branch in reviewboard? (master probably)
[20:05] <yofel> otherwise ask in #kde-multimedia
[20:06] <yofel> with people at akademy currently you might have to be patient a bit
[20:06] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: http://imagebin.org/219241
[20:07] <BluesKaj> yofel, looks like site one can learn from. i didn't know it existed
[20:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: which one?
[20:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what do you do when you submit a diff?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> yofel, kde-multimedia
[20:10] <BluesKaj> I really need to get my multimedia cli-text command files organized
[20:12] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I'm getting the same error, so I would ask in #kde-multimedia. Not sure if that's something for the sysadmins
[20:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: how do you submit diffs?
[20:13] <yofel> same way?
[20:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is my diff file ok?
[20:17] <yofel> doesn't apply against master here,  but that seems to be something wrong with the paste IMO
[20:18] <yofel> wrong indent http://paste.kde.org/511340
[20:18] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,  yes , but where did you find the info for the fix ? it would be good to know.
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i did it
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ok how?
[20:19] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: and unless paste.kde.org shows it oddly, your indentation is different from the existing code in a few places
[20:19] <yofel> (mixed tabs and spaces?)
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: only problem with kmix.cpp right?\
[20:21] <yofel> right
[20:22] <yofel> bah, the existing kmix code is mixed tabs and spaces as well -.-
[20:23] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what your kmix source version?
[20:24] <yofel> git master?
[20:24] <yofel> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kmix.git
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do you have 4.8.90?
[20:25] <yofel> hm
[20:25] <yofel> wait
[20:26] <yofel> now I'm on master, same error though
[20:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: did you try patching with 4.8.90?
[20:28] <yofel> same rejects. Probably broken copy and paste from paste.kde.org thanks to the tabs
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: how can i send the file?
[20:31] <yofel> nvm, wget to the rescue
[20:32] <yofel> ok, now it applies, except that the patch is invalid in line 97
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am getting the same error
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check
[20:36] <yofel> something's wrong with the diff block in lines 89-96, says +/- 7, but it's +/- 6
[20:36] <yofel> better recreate the diff
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/511352/
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats mixer.cpp patch
[20:43] <yofel> the diff for core/mixer.cpp is fine, it's the last diff block for apps/kmix.h that's invalid
[20:43] <yofel> ah
[20:43] <yofel> was just missing an empty line
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: solved?
[20:45] <yofel> same error on reviewboard though, maybe something's messed up with the repository setup there
[20:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: they are also recommending to use this "post-review"
[20:46] <yofel> I never used that
[20:47] <yofel> fun
[20:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: last time i tried without success, i just attached the patch to the bug report and someone picked it
[20:47] <yofel> reviewboard barfs if you don't use git to create the iff
[20:47] <yofel> *diff
[20:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in that case i dont have permission
[20:48] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: here's something that works with reviewboard, please make sure no changes were dropped: http://paste.kde.org/511364 (it also applies against master)
[20:48] <yofel> huh? you do
[20:48] <yofel> what *did* you use to create the patch in the first place?
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the cli diff
[20:50] <yofel> ah. Not sure why it failed then. I applied it in the repos and used git diff to create the one above
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: since i am a beginner, errors may tend to happen :)
[20:54] <yofel> sure, no problem. As git.reviewboard seems to really need patches understood by git, best take a look at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Git someday
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: sure
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: one year before i set a gaol to learn to package , now i am able to compile from source, i think i have completed 5% of my goal
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: have to learn about the install locations and cmake
[20:56] <yofel> make that 25%, you'll often spend time wondering why something doesn't build...
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what is the most common thing you encounter?
[20:59] <yofel> usually something out of: missing build-dep, linking error, wrong file location or need some distro adjustment
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: if we submit the patch today and if it gets accepted, will it be committed to  kde 4.9 rc2?
[21:03] <yofel> dunno, you'll have to ask the reviewer that. RC2 tagging is a week away though
[21:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the patch fixes this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290177 and the dock icon problem
[21:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok whats the best thing to do?
[21:05] <yofel> put it on reviewboard and say it fixes the bug - that's what I would do at least
[21:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the diff file you gave is working with the review board
[21:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: now editing the details
[21:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105422/
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thank you, see you later
[21:35] <Aptar> In the dolphin file browsing window how do you view hidden files?
[21:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Aptar: press <alt>+.
[21:36] <sunitasethi> ?
[21:37] <Aptar> phoenix_firebrd, Thank you.
[21:37] <Aptar> :)
[21:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Aptar: yw
[21:37] <Aptar> <-- newbie...
[21:38] <Aptar> Which you have already figured out by that question ;)
[21:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Aptar: i am too a newbie
[21:41] <Aptar> oh :)
[22:12] <goodluck> :-)
[23:32] <Lymphocyte> will kubuntu 12.04 get kde 4.9 when its stable?
[23:55] <bobweaver> Hello there I have a question . What is the name of well....  in gnome it is called  gnome-session-quit  what is that called in kde ?


[04:42] <zooko`> lifeless, jtaylor, et alia: it looks like Tahoe-LAFS v1.9 final release is going to end of August: http://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-July/006567.html
[04:43] <zooko> I may try to get a feature freeze exception to upgrade Tahoe-LAFS in Ubuntu for Oneiric, if it looks like a sensible thing to do when Tahoe-LAFS v1.9 is released.
[16:03] <ScottK> bdrung: I was wondering if you might look into getting audacious-plugins to build.  We need to rebuild it for the libmtp8 transition, but ld and it don't get along:
[16:03] <ScottK> /usr/bin/ld: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: unexpected redefinition of indirect versioned symbol<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:03] <ScottK> /usr/bin/ld: vtx.o(.text+0x294): unresolvable R_386_PLT32 relocation against symbol `g_hook_insert_sorted'
[19:18] <kroq-gar78> hello all. I'm not sure why #launchpad isn't responding, so I'm posting here. Why is Launchpad building service giving me an error? It talks about ca-certificates-java failing fto install (or something like that, don't remember the package name). I'm trying to package my Java game that I made. Here is the link to the buildlog: https://code.launchpad.net/~kroq-gar78/+archive/ppa/+recipebuild/64264
[19:21] <tumbleweed> kroq-gar78: looks like a bug in ca-certificates-java
[19:22] <kroq-gar78> tumblweed: is there anything I can do about it? Apparently there was some stuff going wrong from intrepid to karmic, but after that, no more reports...
[19:22] <kroq-gar78> based off of a launchpad bug report
[19:25] <tumbleweed> #launchpad is often quiet after-hours. I'll have a look at it in a minute
[19:26] <micahg> #launchpad isn't the right place for those types of failures anyway, #ubuntu-packaging is
[19:26] <micahg> FWIW, I have a similar issue in sbuild on oneiric
[19:26] <kroq-gar78> Thanks all ;)
[19:27] <tumbleweed> micahg: I'd say recipe failures are launchpad issues
[19:27] <kroq-gar78> is this a recipe failure
[19:27] <micahg> tumbleweed: they are if it's a recipe failure and not a build failure
[19:27] <paultag> tumbleweed: if it's a LP issue, let the #launchpad folks know
[19:27] <tumbleweed> oh, was this a packaging build?
[19:27] <kroq-gar78> uh.... I think...
[19:27] <tumbleweed> launchpad confuses me :)
[19:28] <paultag> Oh ya'll were talking about that :)
[19:28] <paultag> sorry, carry on :)
[19:28] <kroq-gar78> I'm kinda a n00b when it comes to this...
[19:28] <kroq-gar78> oh wait I have to go :( bye
[19:30] <tumbleweed> micahg: are the source packages built from branch as part of the build now? The first half of that log looks likea recipe build, the second half like a binary build
[19:31] <micahg> tumbleweed: the problem is at dependency install, so actually, it seems more like a bug in natty than either a recipe or packaging issue
[19:32] <micahg> actually, it seems like a problem with the build env, so #launchpad would be correct
[19:33]  * micahg has the same problem with sbuild on oneiric
[19:33] <tumbleweed> micahg: oh it installs the build-deps for building the source package
[19:34] <micahg> right
[19:34]  * micahg wonders why recipies use pbuilder
[19:34] <jariq> can anyone advice irc channel like this one but for debian?
[19:34] <tumbleweed> micahg: probably just for dependency installation
[19:34] <micahg> jariq: for learning?
[19:34] <tumbleweed> jariq: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org?
[19:35] <jtaylor> or debian-dev for development, all the teams usually also have their channels on that server
[19:35] <jariq> micahg: i need to update package and need advice on build-arch and build-indep targets
[19:35] <micahg> tumbleweed: well, regular PPAs use sbuild
[19:36] <micahg> jariq: yeah, #debian-mentors would probably be good
[19:36] <jariq> == jariq was kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ [Invite only channel]
[19:36] <tumbleweed> micahg: no I mean for pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy
[19:36] <micahg> jariq: not on this IRC network
[19:36] <jariq> micahg: oh i see.. thx
[19:37] <tumbleweed> jariq: advice on build-arch / build-indep is totally appropriate here too (well, preferably in #ubuntu-packaging, but here is fine)
[19:38] <kroq-gar78> ok, so back to my question (from 10 min ago...): The app builds perfectly on my laptop but not on launchpad :/ what did you guys say I vshould do again?
[19:38] <tumbleweed> kroq-gar78: 21:32 < micahg> actually, it seems like a problem with the build env, so #launchpad would be correct
[19:39] <tumbleweed> kroq-gar78: err that wasn't quite the line I meant to paste, but basically, it's a bug in natty
[19:39] <jariq> so i am trying to push new version of my package to debian and after that also to ubuntu but i am still getting lintian warning debian-rules-missing-recommended-target  for build-arch and build-indep targets.. but those are listed as optional in debian policy.. so what should i do? ignore?
[19:39] <micahg> tumbleweed: I think it's specific to pbuilder/sbuild and certain setups
[19:39] <kroq-gar78> tumbleweed: ok thanks. yesterday NOBODY responded on there so I'll guess I'll try again... ty
[19:40] <tumbleweed> kroq-gar78: as I said, it's quiet on weekends and evenings (launchpad devs work on launchpad as their dayjobs)
[19:40] <micahg> kroq-gar78: well, you probably won't be able to get an official answer for another couple hours as it's still the weekend
[19:40] <kroq-gar78> micahg: pbuilder made my program fine on my laptop, just not on launchpad, so it' s prob a env-specific prob
[19:40] <kroq-gar78> lol ok cya ;) thanks
[19:41] <kroq-gar78> also, the #launchpad greeting message says to go to help.launchpad.net should I do that or ask on irc?
[19:44] <tumbleweed> now that I've actually looked, it works fine for me in my natty schroot
[19:45] <kroq-gar78> so what's the prob :/
[20:15] <Raffa50> hello
[20:15] <Raffa50> but
[20:15] <Raffa50> i'm try to upload my appù
[20:15] <Raffa50> i can't
[20:15] <Raffa50> i have a foder ehììwhit compiled files and the deb
[20:16] <Raffa50> i used dput revu
[20:16] <Raffa50> but didn't do nothing
[20:16] <Raffa50> i programmed it with gambas
[20:16] <Raffa50> so it generated all the files
[20:17] <Raffa50> how can i do?
[20:17] <Raffa50> (sorry i'm italian)
[20:18] <tgm4883> no need to appoligize, there is nothing wrong with being italian ;)
[20:19] <tgm4883> You can't upload binary files to REVU, you need to upload the source package. do you have a .changes file and a .dsc?
[20:21] <Raffa50> yes i have
[20:21] <Raffa50> i don't have signed gpg key
[20:21] <Raffa50> gpg --fingerprint
[20:21] <Raffa50> doesn't do nothing
[20:23] <Raffa50> tgm maybe my english is bad
[20:23] <tgm4883> Raffa50, ok, you'll need to get one of those
[20:23] <tgm4883> let me dig up the link
[20:23] <Raffa50> sotìrry i have only 18 year. thank
[20:24] <Raffa50> *sorry
[20:24] <tgm4883> You have a launchpad ID?
[20:25] <tgm4883> You'll need to go to https://launchpad.net/~<LAUNCHPADID>/+editpgpkeys
[20:25] <Raffa50> yes i'm registered in lunchpad
[20:25] <tgm4883> On that page there is a link that says "Learn more about OpenPGP keys"
[20:26] <tgm4883> Although I bet it's translated into italian
[20:26] <Raffa50> eh yes
[20:26] <Raffa50> i need to insert a code
[20:26] <tgm4883> Right, but first you need to generate a key
[20:26] <tgm4883> "System > Preferences > Passwords and Encryption Keys"
[20:26] <Raffa50> nah i can speak english
[20:27] <tgm4883> Step 1 open Passwords and Encryption Keys.
[20:27] <tgm4883> Step 2 Select File > New, select PGP Key and then follow the on-screen instructions.
[20:27] <tgm4883> Now you'll see your new key listed in the Passwords and Encryption Keys tool.
[20:28] <Raffa50> generating
[20:29] <Raffa50> and after i will see my project on the software center?
[20:29] <Raffa50> it's slow
[20:30] <tgm4883> it's a bit of a longer process than that. You generate your key, then upload your software to REVU (so peers can review the packaging), You might have to fix some packaging mistakes and reupload, but once it passes the REVU process it gets uploaded to the repositories and should be available via the software center in future versions of Ubuntu
[20:30] <Raffa50> my finger print isn't correct
[20:30] <Raffa50> 372A 2405 474F 1F0A 36F1 D061 F151 ACE8 BB3E 91C0
[20:31] <tgm4883> what do you mean it isn't correct?
[20:31] <Raffa50> i inserted inthe box
[20:32] <Raffa50> and it says taht's wrong
[20:32] <tgm4883> ah ok
[20:32] <Raffa50> Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key      Did you enter your complete fingerprint correctly? (Help with fingerprints)     Is your key in the Ubuntu keyserver yet? You may have to wait between ten minutes (if you pushed directly to the Ubuntu key server) and one hour (if you pushed your key to another server). (Help with publishing keys)
[20:32] <tgm4883> There are a few more steps before you do that part
[20:32] <tgm4883> Step 1 Open Passwords and Encryption Keys.
[20:32] <tgm4883> Step 2 Select the My Personal Keys tab, select your key.
[20:32] <tgm4883> Step 3 Select Remote > Sync and Publish Keys from the menu. Choose the Sync button. (You may need to add hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com to your key servers if you are not using Ubuntu.)
[20:32] <Raffa50> ah
[20:33] <tgm4883> That will upload it to the keyserver, although it might be 30 minutes before you can insert your fingerprint
[20:35] <Raffa50> syncronized!
[20:35] <Raffa50> i must wait 30 minutes?
[20:35] <Raffa50> oh dear
[20:35] <tgm4883> you can try, but it could take up to 30 minutes
[20:35] <Raffa50> i wait
[20:36] <Raffa50> 5 min
[20:47] <Raffa50> A message has been sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>encrypted with the key 2048R/BB3E91C0. To confirm the key is yours, decrypt the message and follow the link inside.
[20:47] <Raffa50> ehi


[04:39] <bazhang> gone
[05:23] <bazhang> gesundheit!
[09:55] <bazhang> more xp
[09:55] <bazhang> like it's an rpg
[10:00] <bazhang> ikonia, he's crossposting and not listening to instructions in either venue
[10:08] <ikonia> oh
[14:30] <bitch> hi there! I wonder why [09:28] #ubuntu *!~*@gateway/shell/elitebnc/* set by wolfe.freenode.net (Fri Oct 07 16:23:02 2016) has been implemented?
[18:56] <Menzador> (a) Probably because users have been spamming using EliteBNC, (b) why do you have an inappropriate nick?
[19:30] <bitch> Menzador, this is not a inappropriate nick, i represent the technical word for the female dog.
[19:31] <bitch> I am sorry for typing in colors.
[19:32] <Menzador> Either way, I believe I answered your question.
[19:34] <||||||||||||||||> There.
[19:35] <||||||||||||||||> I have been not spamming #ubuntu under elitebnc.
[19:36] <hggdh> ok, then
[23:16] <dax> the answer's wrong, btw
[23:17] <dax> EliteBNC uses an ident daemon. Sometimes it breaks. When it breaks, they start having ~idents and Drone` detects them as clones of each other and ends up banning the whole gateway.
[23:17] <dax> So, we ban EliteBNC users trying to join who connected when the ident daemon was broken, so that EliteBNC users who connected while it was working can still join.
[23:18] <dax> this is documented in bantracker, and iirc there are one or two other gateways that had the same problem


[03:17] <Bob_> hi
[03:18] <Munsko> hello
[03:18] <Bob_> how are you?
[03:19] <Munsko> fine, and you?
[03:19] <Bob_> not too bad
[05:43] <chraso> hello there, i'm having a dropdown menu at login screen showing Lubuntu, LXQt Desktop & Openbox as choices. Should i continue with Lubuntu or choose LXQt?
[05:45] <chraso> currently my login session is Lubuntu and i'm unable to add program shortcuts to Quick Launch panel and neither can add bookmarks to the pcmanfm
[05:50] <chraso> info: i have installed lubuntu 20.04 to "/" partition with formatting and have retained "/home" partition and by having same username as before.
[08:22] <chieta> i've upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04... creating and using new account but still there are duplicate program/icon running on the system tray
[08:28] <chieta> http://imgur.com/23YiEfA
[08:28] <chieta> update notifier and network icon
[08:29] <chieta> is it normal?
[08:29] <lynorian> I see one of each
[08:31] <chieta> two update notifier
[08:31] <chieta> with refresh like button
[08:31] <chieta> and x on network disconnection
[08:37] <chieta> how to know history upgrading of this desktop... afaik this from 18.04 --> 19.10 --> 20.04
[08:37] <chieta> or even from 16.04 lynorian
[08:37] <chieta> forgot it
 @chieta [<chieta> i've upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04... creating and using new account but …], how about reinstalling from the fresh @202.004
[16:22] <glat-agent2> Your GNU/Linux copy is not genuine. Purchase a license for $99 now.
[16:43] <wxl> ^^^ hah wow is that a new thing?
 wxl the spam?
[16:44] <wxl> well that specific spam
 Yeah, I think it was here a day or two ago as well.
 I nuked it on the Telegram side.
[23:40] <Steve45> hello I need some help with installing Lubuntu
[23:43] <akem> Ask your question then.
[23:43] <akem> (Hi)
[23:45] <Steve45> I've using unetbootin to create a bootable installation disk and each gives me an error "Sorry Ubuntu 18.04 has experienced an internal error."   Is there a problem with unetbootin?
[23:46] <akem> You got this message in the installation process?
[23:46] <Steve45> Correct
[23:48] <akem> I don't use unetbootin i couldn't tell. :/ Maybe try something else if you can like rufus(Windows) or usb-creator-gtk. But it's strange, maybe you should check your ISO md5sum, to see if it was correctly downloaded.
[23:50] <akem> There is another one usb-creator for kde, but i'm on regular Ubuntu right now, can't remember the name.
[23:50] <Steve45> I've tried different iso's i.e. 32bit 16.04, 32bit 18.04, 64bit 18.04, 64bit 20.04 with same result.  I checked the md5sum but couldn't find the expected sum for the ISO.  I don't have Windows
[23:52] <akem> If the checksum is not the same as what's on the website then there is probably something wrong.
[23:52] <akem> 64b 20.04 should be fine i guess.
[23:53] <akem> Steve45, Did you try to just use the Live USB? Does it work?
[23:53] <Steve45> That's just it, I couldn't find the official checksum for the iso on the web. but I would think that at least one of the iso would be o.k.  Thus my question about unetbootin
[23:53] <akem> I mean like surfing the web with it, writing a note, or doing terminal stuff.
[23:54] <Steve45> O.K. where do I get the Live USB?
[23:54] <akem> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[23:54] <Steve45> Thank you
[23:55] <akem> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/focal/release/MD5SUMS
[23:55] <akem> This is the MD5 for the 20.04 Desktop, should be the first one on the download page.
[23:55] <akem> Np.