[09:12] <CarlF1> " This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default Python version (currently v2.5)." but this is instlled: "Python 2.5 (release25-maint, Mar 15 2007, 10:53:31) " - guessing it is a bug
[09:12] <CarlF1> but don't want to report something I am this clueless abut
[09:12] <somian> It sounds like a (packaging) bug to me.
[09:14] <CarlF1> "2.5-0ubuntu6 is >>to be<< installed" - why "to be" and not "is" ?
[09:15] <CarlF1> wondering if my apt-get db is borked
[09:17] <DanaG> What package should I install to be able to use man for C commands?
[09:17] <DanaG> Such as 'man scanf'
[09:20] <Pici> DanaG: I think that kind of stuff is in manpages-dev
[09:22] <kupesoft> How do I use the iwlwifi module included with feisty?
[09:22] <DanaG> Cool, thanks.
[09:22] <DanaG> iwlwifi doesn't seem to work for me -- even with an open AP.
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: Yeah,
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: I have the same problem,
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: The driver will accept parameters but it's won't associate
[09:23] <kupesoft> brb, testing one more time
[09:24] <K`zan> Updates have failed two days running here, is there some place this gets logged?  The updater dialog is uncopyable :-(.
[09:24] <kupesoft> DanaG: Got it working (connecting right now using it)
[09:25] <kupesoft> I had explicitly chose an AP to associate with,
[09:25] <DanaG> How do you do that?
[09:25] <kupesoft> (it's 5 lines...)
[09:25] <kupesoft> I'll pastebin it
[09:25] <DanaG> I like to use networkmanager, if at all possible.
[09:25] <DanaG> Otherwise, I'll just use ipw3945.
[09:25] <kupesoft> Might not be,
[09:26] <kupesoft> iwlwifi promises to be much better than ipw3945 (no userspace deamon), but it's very much in alpha testing
[09:27] <kupesoft> DanaG: http://www.pastebin.ca/424395
[09:27] <kupesoft> Where x = channel, essid, wep key, mac address
[09:28] <DanaG> I think I'll stick with ipw3945 for now, anyway.
[09:28] <kupesoft> DanaG: If you want to use NetworkManager, stick to ipw3945,
[09:29] <kupesoft> (;
[09:29] <DanaG> Oh, one funny thing:
[09:29] <DanaG> Suspend works better in Feisty than it does in Windows XP.
[09:29] <kupesoft> Wha?
[09:29] <kupesoft> (;
[09:29] <kupesoft> I wouldn't know ;/
[09:29] <DanaG> If I suspend in XP, the laptop will some time later wake up and hang at a black screen -- often while it's still in my bag.
[09:36] <micahcowan> Is it possible to set certain users (my kids) up with a passwordless mode?
[09:42] <garklein_13> micahcowan: why not just give them a simple password?
[09:42] <kanpachi> hello, i just d/led the 4th of april build, but i can't burn it on a cd, it says it's too big to fit... how come?
[09:42] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[09:44] <micahcowan> garklein_13, I don't want them to have to type (very young). I want them to be able to simply click on their name, as can be configured (I believe) in both OS X and Windows.
[09:44] <DanaG> I believe KDE can be set up to not ask for a password.
[09:45] <DanaG> System Administration -- Login Manager
[09:45] <DanaG> in kcontrol.
[09:45] <kanpachi> why doesn't the 4th of april build fit on a cd when i try to burn it?
[09:45] <kanpachi> the md5sum is fine
[09:46] <garklein_13> micahcowan: I used it as an opportunity to teach them how to do simple one-finger typing, making the password the same as their username so they had something to copy.... but mine are probably a little older than yours were I'm guessing  =)
[09:46] <micahcowan> DanaG, thanks; I'll check that out if I can't figure it out in gnome.
[09:46] <DanaG> er, you're using gnome?
[09:46] <DanaG> YOu many have to manually open gdmsetup
[09:46] <DanaG> with gksudo
[09:47] <DanaG> I don't know if the shortcut in the menu is enabled by default.
[09:47] <micahcowan> garklein_13, possibly... at any rate, it's too easy to accidentally type an extra key or leave the capslock for me to want to hassle them with that just yet... the older one could certainly do it; the younger probably could to, but the point is, they shouldn't /have/ to... :)
[09:47] <garklein_13> micahcowan: true
[09:48] <micahcowan> DanaG, I've checked there, but can't find it. BTW, gdmsetup is also available via System -> Administrator -> Login Window
[09:48] <phatmonkey> what's the best way of virtualising windows. vmware? where's the best documentation/tutorial? ubuntu wiki?
[09:49] <micahcowan> I also want to set up a guest account, which I would prefer not to have to give passwords for when guests are here.
[09:50] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=110604
[09:50] <robert_> how do I install the SMP kernel for Feisty?
[09:50] <subliminal727> Hi i'm having trouble with my video card.  im having a hard time finding any info on it.  i have an intel 950 GMA  on the mobile intel 945gm chipset, i only have two resolution options -1280x800 and 1024x768,  oh yeah...im using Feisty, any ideas?
[09:51] <micahcowan> DanaG, thanks for that. Do you think gdm will still prompt for the (ignored) password in that case?
[09:52] <frojnd> hello there
[09:52] <frojnd> why is my sudo apt-get update so slow
[09:52] <frojnd> with edgy updating the source list was much more faster..
[09:54] <micahcowan> frojnd, it may just be that the servers are slower at this moment? That frequently occurs.
[09:55] <subliminal727> i think i may jsut need to install drivers..does anyone know how to install drivers for intel integrated video cards? its a toshiba laptop 945gm chipset
[09:55] <frojnd> micahcowan: that's all the time, anytime that I update
[09:58] <somian> subliminal727: That's the I810 driver, and it ought to installed automatically.
[09:59] <subliminal727> so if i can only use two resolutions...what do you think the problem is?
[09:59] <somian> subliminal727: That's a laptop you have, no?
[09:59] <subliminal727> yeah
[10:00] <somian> There isn't a problem.
[10:00] <subliminal727> oh
[10:00] <subliminal727> so im an idiot then...hmmm
[10:00] <subliminal727> haha
[10:00] <somian> Laptop screens have *1* optimal resolution.
[10:00] <subliminal727> i see
[10:01] <somian> You might find careful reading of your xorg.0.log file interesting, although yes, those logs are a verbose nightmare, subliminal727
[10:01] <subliminal727> haha
[10:01] <subliminal727> this is kind of a weird setup i have here anyways, i have a dual boot between vista and feisty
[10:02] <somian> I have an Intel I810 video chip that I've been learning about for 3 weeks.
[10:02] <somian> I've got Xinerama working on an external CRT etc.
[10:02] <subliminal727> the res on ubuntu just seemed to look wrong to me so i started poking around and i saw in the hardware info it was saying devicetype: unknown and capabilities: unknown so i thought something was wrong
[10:02] <somian> Got to go, bbialw.
[10:03] <subliminal727> later
[10:03] <Arko> what does bbialw means?
[10:03] <somian> Uh -- that does not sound right. It might not be getting your LCD display right -- look into it further
[10:03] <subliminal727> ok
[10:03] <subliminal727> i'll keep digging
[10:04] <somian> If detection via the standard means of the driver "talking to" (querying) the monitor is working right, you should be able to tell from the xorg log
[10:04] <subliminal727> ok
[10:04] <somian> \It's unmistakable. It will even tell you what comapny really manufactured your screen and what wee and year it was built.
[10:05] <subliminal727> nice
[10:05] <somian> sorry, really have to run now
[10:05] <subliminal727> ok thanks a lot
[10:05] <Arko> Be Back in A Little While
[10:08] <micahcowan> beryl went all-black after I tested by switching users, had to restart. But it works; doesn't even prompt for the password.
[10:15] <micahcowan> Oh, and the box stopped paying attention to my keystrokes, which was the real reason I had to restart :|
[10:17] <enyc> I can't seem to get ubuntu-feisty compiz to work on this machine...
[10:19] <enyc> it starts compiz (in ps) ... but the X-server etc. is somehow jammed...can switch to Alt-F7 ... and get black screeen with cursor (showing rotating 'eggtimer-eqivalent' cursor)
[10:19] <enyc> its somehow "jammed"
[10:23] <enyc> after a long-long delay I get "desktop effects coul not be enabled" error ...
[10:23] <Arko> ency: I have just solved this Black Screen of Death after switching from VT to X
[10:23] <enyc> Arko: how...?
[10:23] <Arko> enyc I mean
[10:23] <Arko> I have added some stuff in modprobe.d/options
[10:24] <Arko> lemme find it
[10:24] <enyc> hrrrm.. what optiosn?
[10:24] <Arko> options nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=33 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=1
[10:26] <Arko> worked?
[10:27] <enyc> Arko: ok... trying...
[10:27] <enyc> Arko: Ive just reconfigured xorg and re-enabled nvidia-glx-config...
[10:28] <enyc> Arko: notably I set 24bit colour and now the behaviour is different... but still not working
[10:28] <Arko> :(
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[10:38] <enyc> Arko: Arko right... have enabled nvidia restricted driver (listed as for legacy cards) through feisty menus...
[10:38] <Arko> so
[10:38] <enyc> Arko: and have rebooted and logged in...
[10:38] <lm_> hey there can anybody give me a helping hand.... ive just formatted an old windows disk via gparted in gnome... how am i going to "mount" so that i can use it like another home dir?
[10:38] <Arko> is it working?
[10:39] <enyc> Arko: and it HAS loaded the "nvidia" module and the topions youu speciffied on  nvida thogh /etc/modprobe.d/options are there.. and system works but  desktop effects do not
[10:39] <Arko> enable desktop effects again
[10:39] <enyc> Arko: (jams again when starting effects)
[10:39] <peter77> how do I completly remove the KDe desktop
[10:40] <enyc> Arko: well itsg ets into this jammed-state
[10:40] <Arko> :(
[10:41] <Arko> bbialw
[10:43] <peter77> so is there a way to remove the KDE desktop completly as it seems to have screwed up! :-(
[10:43] <enyc> peter77: well.. you muight want to pull out the kde libraries?
[10:43] <enyc> peter77: then other things that depedn on them will be removed/
[10:44] <peter77> k, I'll try that
[10:49] <linxeh> peter77: try creating a new user and logging in as them
[10:50] <linxeh> peter77: it might be that your kde configuration got broken, not KDE as a whole
[10:51] <frojnd> I don't know if tthat's normal but when I am transfering either from USB stick to system or froom system from USB stick system works much more slowerr and mouse don't get smood... any ideas
[10:59] <N6REJ> hi folks, I got an update notification from the updater today and after it started installing its throwing an error  with "/etc/udev/rules.d/25-dmsetup.rules"  It wants me to tell it if it should keep my current config or what
[11:00] <N6REJ> this started happening with the kernel
[11:00] <N6REJ> what should I tell it?
[11:03] <soothsay> After an update yesterday my Feisty install won't boot. It gets stuck at 'Generating LVM groups'
[11:20] <oxygenws> hi all, upgrade from edgy to feisty, my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:20] <mweichert> does anyone know how to specify a WPA-Personal passphrase when using the debian-installer to configure your wireless card?
[11:24] <DigitalNinja> Where can I find the "codec wizards"?
[11:25] <julian1223> ah, this is where I'm supposed to ask
[11:25] <julian1223> I'm trying to get edgy installed on my 2Ghz MacBook Pro and I keep getting throw to a Failed to start x server thingy, any ideas?
[11:25] <julian1223> sorry, Feisty*
[11:26] <DigitalNinja> Are you using the desktop CD
[11:26] <julian1223> yes
[11:26] <[doctor] > hi, can anybody say me last kernel version in Ubuntu-7.04?
[11:26] <julian1223> errrr, I'm a huge noob but since it's on my error screen, 2.6.20-12?
[11:26] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Did the CD boot or did you get the error while the CD is booting?
[11:27] <mon^rch> don't suppose anyone know progress of getting vmware to work under feisty?
[11:27] <julian1223> it booted, thew me to the options screen with start/install etc
[11:27] <oxygenws> [doctor] : 2.6.20-13
[11:27] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Okay. When it does that hit enter or let it continue. Did you do that?
[11:27] <[doctor] > not 2.6.20-14?
[11:27] <julian1223> yes
[11:27] <elvirolo> hi
[11:28] <mon^rch> !vmware
[11:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:28] <oxygenws> [doctor] : my last is 13 :D
[11:28] <julian1223> it showed a pretty ubuntu logo and a shiny indeterminate progress indicator then died after a while
[11:28] <[doctor] > hm.... thanks
[11:28] <DigitalNinja> KERNEL 2.6.20-13 here
[11:28] <elvirolo> when i plug my usb drive in, it seems to be detected (all the right stuff appears in dmesg) but it is not mounted automatically
[11:28] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:28] <julian1223> showed a couple of Loading... screens and then I got this
[11:29] <finalbeta> !libata
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <julian1223> apparently screen(s) were found, but none have a usable config, and no matching vesa modes
[11:29] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Did you say this was a mac book ?
[11:29] <julian1223> pro, yes
[11:30] <effie_jayx> anyone with a bcm4318 wilresscard here ?
[11:30] <effie_jayx> s/wilresscard/wireless
[11:30] <julian1223> I entered the lpj=8000000 thingy after boot, though that was to prevent an unlikely kernel panic, and I assume if I'd had that, I wouldn't be able to scroll down the error window
[11:30] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html look for your laptop
[11:31] <julian1223> (I'm on another computer)
[11:31] <soothsay> I mentioned my problem a while ago but I had to disconnect and reboot. Am going to restate it: After some upgrades yesterday (including lvm-common) I can no longer boot. The boot process freezes at 'Setting up LVM volume groups'
[11:31] <chewychomp> i switched from 5700 to a 5200, uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, booted with nv, reinstalled glx and restricted kernels, checked xorg.conf rebooted, and it freezes after 3 seconds into x
[11:31] <soothsay> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2402996#post2402996
[11:31] <julian1223> unfortunately all of that refers to not using boot camp
[11:31] <soothsay> At least one another person is experiencing the problem, according to that thread ^
[11:32] <julian1223> but I did boot via boot camp
[11:33] <julian1223> I also tried the safe display mode and had the same issue
[11:33] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : did you check out the link - http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html
[11:33] <DigitalNinja> they have pictures
[11:34] <julian1223> yes, I went to http://modular.math.washington.edu/macbook/
[11:34] <DigitalNinja> Did it have info you could use?
[11:34] <julian1223> no
[11:35] <DigitalNinja> They dual boot OS X and Ubuntu
[11:35] <Infecto>   any body know why opera start to Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:35] <Infecto>  ?
[11:35] <DigitalNinja> has anyone tried the "codec wizards" for Feisty?
[11:35] <frozenhan1> Price, right here?
[11:36] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: work great
[11:36] <julian1223> yes, but it isn't any use
[11:36] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : Where did you get them from?
[11:36] <julian1223> it's not working which is why I'm here
[11:37] <frozenhan1> Is here anyone germanspeaking?
[11:37] <mon^rch> just double click on a file that need a codec. and a little app starts up :)
[11:37] <soothsay> Just for anyone's info this seems to be the bug biting me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm-common/+bug/102756
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 102756 in lvm-common "vgscan in init.d/lvm doesn't exit" [Undecided,Fix released]
[11:37] <soothsay> Claims to be fixed in an update today
[11:37] <chewychomp> help-i switched from 5700 to a 5200, uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, reconfigured xserver, rebooted and it freezes after gdm starts
[11:37] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : What about mozilla-mplayer ( I think that's right )
[11:38] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: you will prolly have to do some stuff by hand...
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : I see
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> I'll give it a try
[11:38] <Wormboy> Is anyone German there?
[11:39] <darx> whats the command to run the default bittorrent client?
[11:39] <finalbeta> !gr
[11:39] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[11:39] <frojnd> I have question about how to set my domain to MSHOME, using samba shares.,.
[11:39] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: try vlc....
[11:39] <Wormboy> Can anyone help me with the formating of the hardrivedisks?
[11:40] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch: I don't think it does w32 codecs or mp3's
[11:40] <finalbeta> !de | Wormboy
[11:40] <ubotu> Wormboy: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:40] <darx> frohnd: the samba config file
[11:40] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: it did for me...
[11:40] <Wormboy> thanks
[11:40] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : I thought they didn't work with those codecs
[11:41] <DigitalNinja> I'll take a look at it
[11:41] <julian1223> so no ideas as to how I can fix this besides a page which doesn't actually apply to me?
[11:41] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja:  "they"?
[11:41] <DigitalNinja> vlc
[11:41] <Infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/102851
[11:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 102851 in libx11 "Opera failed after update - date 04/04/07" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:41] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: well, I gots no problems :)
[11:41] <Infecto> how to downgrade ? to libx11
[11:42] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch: I'll give it a try this week
[11:42] <chewychomp> help-i switched from 5700 to a 5200, i uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, reconfigured xserver, reinstalled nvidia-glx and restr kernel, and it freezes after gdm starts
[11:43] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: just dropped a folder full of mp3's on vlc and voila
[11:43] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: got some cool skins too!
[11:44] <Infecto> any body know how to dobgrade libx11
[11:44] <Infecto> ?
[11:44] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: and I have NEVER had to install w32codecs
[11:44] <julian1223> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/95411
[11:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 95411 in Ubuntu "ubuntu feisty beta, no screens found on macbook pro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:45] <julian1223> does Mike mean that a later build works?
[11:45] <julian1223> if so, where do I go for a later build?
[11:48] <Dabian> fiercesty seems to contain somewhat broken USB-support or something; I have trouble syncing my palm.
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[11:49] <jrib> julian1223: I can't find the word "later" on the page.  Can you be more specific?
[11:50] <julian1223> Same here. Work Herd 3-5 for me.
[11:50] <Dabian> aaroncampbell: I browsed your post more than once, but I can't relate it to USB or palm problems.
[11:50] <jrib> julian1223: herd 3-5 came before beta
[11:50] <julian1223> ah
[11:51] <mon^rch> ffffft I guess I am NOT supposed to get vmware with feisty... boo-hoo nothing works
[11:51] <julian1223> being a newbie is annoying, any suggestions on useful stuff I could add to that bug posting?
[11:51] <julian1223> !vmware ?
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmware ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <julian1223> !vmware
[11:51] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:51] <aaroncampbell> Dabian: me?
[11:51] <Dabian> Nah .. the other aaroncampbell .
[11:51] <mon^rch> julian1223: tx, but I been at it about 2 hours now....
[11:52] <ikonia> julian1223: if you a newbie you may benifit from not using beta softrware
[11:52] <julian1223> fair enough, I saw someone else ask a similar question, was greeted by the same answer, and seemed to be happy with it so kinda assumed it was a known issue on there
[11:52] <elvirolo> can anyone help me set up my removable drive ?
[11:53] <rnd_null> hey....question....how do I "blacklist"? a module?
[11:53] <rnd_null> elvirolo, whats wrong with it?
[11:53] <elvirolo> rnd_null: it isn't mounted atomatically, although it is detexted by the kernel
[11:53] <julian1223> I'm a linux newbie, not a computer newbie in general is the thing. I also spent 3 hours making boot camp happy enough to install it so I was kinda hoping it'd work (I have Edgy in Parallels).
[11:54] <ikonia> julian1223: if your new to linux - you'd really benifit from not using beta software
[11:54] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:54] <aaroncampbell> Dabian: not sure what you mean about the palm or USB thing
[11:54] <ikonia> oxygenws: kernel change in libata
[11:54] <rnd_null> elvirolo, what kind of rem drive is it?
[11:54] <elvirolo> rnd_null: USB
[11:55] <rnd_null> elvirolo, can you mount it manually?
[11:55] <elvirolo> rnd_null: yes
[11:55] <mon^rch> and now since I got vmware unremovable crap scattered all across my system, I think it warrants a reinstall....
[11:55] <elvirolo> rnd_null: but i have permission problems
[11:55] <julian1223> never mind then, back to OS for me
[11:55] <rnd_null> how so?
[11:55] <somian> mon^rch: vmware-paley?
[11:55] <julian1223> thanks anyway
[11:55] <somian> palyer
[11:56] <somian> GAWD .. "player"
[11:56] <mon^rch> lol
[11:56] <somian> That one?
[11:56] <oxygenws> ikonia: before booting system (or in single mode) it is HD, but after booting (RC5) it changes to SD (i think something like this happend now!)
[11:56] <elvirolo> rnd_null: i get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options"
[11:56] <mon^rch> somian: player, server, hearders tools... the whole shabang I get files dont exist yada yada... yep it's borked
[11:56] <somian> mon^rch: don't reinstall your OS, that's just silly.
[11:56] <elvirolo> rnd_null: sorry, "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[11:57] <ikonia> oxygenws: its a kernel change in the libata area
[11:57] <mon^rch> somian: then you'd best provide me with some help?
[11:57] <somian> If it's mostly player, then just sudo rm /etc/init.d/vmware-player and then touch etc/init.d/vmware-player
[11:57] <oxygenws> ikonia: thanks :) but my connection is SATA or IDE??!!
[11:58] <rnd_null> elvirolo, I have an SD card that does the same thing (mount wise), Ubuntu used pmount before to handle it, but it doesn't seem to use pmount now, I'd have to look for a while to figure out how it's handling the mounting in edgy
[11:58] <ikonia> oxygenws: you should know if your disk is sata or ide
[11:58] <ikonia> oxygenws: from what you've said - its an ide disk
[11:58] <rnd_null> elvirolo, after you plug the device in what do you get with $dmesg | tail ?
[11:59] <mon^rch> touch: cannot touch `etc/init.d/vmware-player': No such file or directory
[11:59] <oxygenws> ikonia: yes, it is IDE, but in system information in linux, it shows SATA!! :D
[11:59] <ikonia> oxygenws: are you listening ??? that is because of a kernel change in the libata subsystem
[11:59] <mon^rch> it's fubar
[12:00] <ikonia> mon^rch: the files not there
[12:00] <somian> Try applying a little PCS to the problem.
[12:00] <mon^rch> argh
[12:01] <elvirolo> rnd_null: http://pastebin.ca/424592
[12:01] <ikonia> argh ???
[12:01] <oxygenws> ikonia: sorry... i listened, but i cannot resolve this conflict in my mind!
[12:01] <somian> Programmer Common sense. it's indispensible when asking over busy tehcnical experts for FREE HELP on irc.
[12:01] <ikonia> oxygenws: there is no conflict
[12:01] <ikonia> somian: the error message was in clear english "no such file" - just a total time waster
[12:01] <somian> Riddance, hope the door hit him  HARD on the way out.
[12:02] <ikonia> oxygenws: your hard disk is IDE - whats the conflict ?
[12:02] <somian> Yeah, ikonia.
[12:02] <rnd_null> elvirolo, what does $mount show?
[12:03] <elvirolo> rnd_null: sorry, what do you mean ?
[12:03] <oxygenws> ikonia: why my linux show it as SATA?
[12:03] <rnd_null> elvirolo, when you type "mount" in a terminal, what output do you get?
[12:03] <somian> For good.
[12:03] <ikonia> oxygenws: it shows it as sata "BECAUSE OF A CHANGE IN THE LIBATA SUBSYSTEM OF THE KERNEL"
[12:04] <ikonia> oxygenws: what part of that are you not understanding ?
[12:04] <somian> I warrant there won't be more than 3 genuine clued Ubuntu devs left on here in 3 more days time, if there are even that many now.
[12:04] <elvirolo> rnd_null: http://pastebin.ca/424597
[12:05] <oxygenws> ikonia: ok, libata changed and my hard is IDE, it is normal that shows libata shows an IDE hard as SATA?
[12:06] <ikonia> oxygenws: yes, as (wait for it) there is a change in the libata subsystem to show all disks as "scsi" disks
[12:06] <ikonia> from now on all hard disks are treated as scsi
[12:06] <rnd_null> elvirolo, hmm....not sure...sorry...try google or wiki maybe?
[12:06] <oxygenws> ikonia: aha, thanks, it was solved :X
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: well i tried, but haven't found anything interesting
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: i'll just have to wait a few updates
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: thanks for your help anyway :)
[12:07] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with cups ?
[12:07] <rnd_null> elvirolo, try connecting it with knoppix.....to see if its the stick or ubuntu
[12:08] <elvirolo> rnd_null: ok
[12:08] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:08] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:08] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
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[12:08] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:09] <lupine_85> I'll take 2
[12:09] <ikonia> ughhh
[12:10] <ikonia> Zorkmid25: any chance you can stop that
[12:10] <chijin> what's his problem
[12:10] <lupine_85> :p
[12:10] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:10] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:10] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
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[12:10] <lupine_85> !ops
[12:10] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:10] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[12:10] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:11] <Zorkmid25> rimjob
[12:12] <Arwen> weird, my install size jumped 50M today and dist-upgrade didn't even ask to install new packages..
[12:14] <penguin42> has anyone tried driving non-printers off their parallel port under feisty? I'm trying to run an FPGA programmer that's working on an old debian on another machine and don't know if the problem is this machine or the feisty kernel; the machine will print to a parport printer
[12:14] <somian> Arwen: you should never have given the gem of the Eldar to that Aragorn dude. That's what happens when you choose foolishly ;-)
[12:14] <Arwen> that's completely off topic..
[12:14] <anon32> this help?
[12:22] <ghostdog> I have an issue with nvidia legacy on feisty
[12:22] <ghostdog> the server libs does not match the client libs
[12:22] <ghostdog> I ran glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)"
[12:23] <ghostdog> and get glx server vendor as NVIDIA and glx client vendor as SGI
[12:23] <blackest> hi got a problem with ssh my password is not recognised however with xnest it is
[12:24] <penguin42> blackest: How do you mean it is recognised with xnest? with -query ?
[12:24] <blackest> could it be anything to do with changing shell from dash to bash earlier today
[12:24] <blackest> well i can logon remotely with the same user - password


[05:25] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:27] <Guest0413> eloo
[05:33] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn and others
[05:33] <Kilos> looks like the fly sleeping
[05:34] <nlsthzn> Good morning uncle Kilos
[05:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:34]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[05:34] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[05:34] <Maaz> Top shelf behind the calender
[05:34] <nlsthzn> Maaz, tea please
[05:34] <Maaz> Everybody here drinks coffee or goes thirsty
[05:34] <Kilos> hehe
[05:35] <Kilos> i must look into how to teach bots to make tea
[05:35] <nlsthzn> :)_
[05:37] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ask now
[05:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos, tea please
[05:38] <nlsthzn> :p
[05:38] <Kilos> not me fool
[05:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:38] <Kilos> the bot
[05:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:38] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[05:38] <nlsthzn> Maaz, tea please
[05:38] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[05:38] <nlsthzn> Maaz, sweet
[05:38] <Maaz> nlsthzn: *blink*
[05:38] <Kilos> lol
[05:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos, :)
[05:42]  * tumbleweed goes to bed
[05:42] <Kilos> Maaz, sweet
[05:42] <Maaz> Yeah Kilos I'm kinda cool hey?
[05:42] <Kilos> yeah
[05:42] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:42] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[05:42] <nuvolari> morning nlsthzn
[05:43] <nlsthzn> :)
[05:43] <nlsthzn> morning nuvolari
[05:43] <Kilos> hi there nuvolari beter nuus
[05:44] <magespawn> morning all
[05:44] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[05:55] <Kilos> whats inna pipeline for today magespawn
[05:59] <magespawn> busy adding some software to my mythbuntu setup finish off the cd ripping couple of other things
[05:59] <magespawn> you?
[06:00] <Kilos> just checking all of you are ok and busy
[06:00] <Kilos> hehe
[06:01] <Kilos> hey magespawn you got good ears
[06:01] <magespawn> why you say that?
[06:01] <Kilos> get mobile media converter and listen if you get any loss of sound quality if you convert to amr
[06:02] <Kilos> i asked but forgot the?
[06:02] <magespawn> no i am tone deaf and have no rhythm either.
[06:02] <Kilos> amr files are tiny compared to mp3 and my ears dont dteck loss of quality if there is any
[06:02] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[06:03] <Kilos> that converter even converts dsvds to jpg
[06:03] <Kilos> under half the sixe of the dvd format
[06:03] <Kilos> size
[06:03] <magespawn> can the files be played my mp3 players?
[06:04] <magespawn> my=by
[06:04] <Kilos> so saves lotsa space in my opinion
[06:04] <Kilos> yip
[06:04] <magespawn> will have a look
[06:05] <magespawn> does it rip or just convert?
[06:05] <Kilos> you can conert lotsa types to other lotsa type
[06:05] <Kilos> google mobile media converter for ubuntu
[06:05] <Kilos> i dunno
[06:06] <Kilos> dunno the rip thing
[06:06] <Kilos> Maaz, google mobile media converter for ubuntu
[06:06] <Maaz> Kilos: "Mobile Media Converter - Download" http://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverterDown.htm :: "Mobile Media Converter" http://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverter.php :: "How to Install Mobile Media Converter in 64-bit Ubuntu" http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-install-mobile-media-converter-in-64-bit-ubuntu :: "[ubuntu] mobile media converter for 64 Bit Ubuntu - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095870 :: "Download Mo
[06:07] <Kilos> i got the one from miksoft
[06:09] <inetpro> Kilos: nee ek is al by die werk
[06:10] <Kilos> ah
[06:10] <Kilos> more
[06:10] <inetpro> goeie more
[06:11] <Kilos> have a good day all of you. i will be back later
[06:11] <Owkkuri> Had the weirdest issue yesterday, upgrade laptop to 11.10, screen goes blank shortly after the login screen appears
[06:11] <Owkkuri> turns out the brightness was set to 0
[06:12] <Kilos> Owkkuri, what graphics card you got
[06:12] <Kilos> oh
[06:12] <Kilos> whew
[06:12] <Kilos> lucky
[06:12] <Owkkuri> built-in intel chip
[06:12] <Owkkuri> :P
[06:13] <magespawn> ha
[06:13] <Owkkuri> about 4 hours of solid debugging, and then i shift the laptop ever so slightly
[06:13] <Kilos> 11.04 and later dont want older tiny cards
[06:13] <Owkkuri> and it catches the light at just the right angle
[06:14] <Kilos> ha ha
[06:14] <Owkkuri> "Hey, is that a login dialog i see?"
[06:15] <Owkkuri> turns out xbrightness is a handy little tool
[06:15] <magespawn> man we should film these things just to give ppl a good laugh
[06:17] <Kilos> lol
[06:17] <magespawn> the number of times i wish i had a helmet camera or something to record myself
[06:18] <Kilos> yeah would make a great video i think
[06:18] <Kilos> looks of shock and anger and at last joy
[06:20] <magespawn> need two cameras
[06:21] <Kilos> haha
[06:24] <Kilos> later all
[06:27] <Owkkuri> it took three of us to figure that issue out, tried all different xorg.confs etc etc
[06:31] <magespawn> satisfaction when it is done though
[06:33] <inetpro> Owkkuri: eish!
[06:34] <inetpro> reminds me of the time wasted on troubleshooting everything about sound only to find it turned down in the mixer
[06:35] <magespawn> thats why you said to me to check the mixer first
[06:35] <magespawn> lol
[07:13] <Owkkuri> yahr, just gotta figure out how to make it permanent now :/
[09:34]  * inetpro just fixed a windows server
[09:34] <inetpro> by rebooting it
[09:43] <Vince-0> +1 !
[10:37] <magespawn> what would you guys add to a mythbuntu setup?
[10:39] <magespawn> and anybody who can give me a heads up about where the best hosting is?
[11:08] <bakuman> \o/
[11:58] <nuvolari> o/ bakuman
[11:59] <nuvolari> magespawn: do you want to set up yourself or a hosted environment?
[12:01] <magespawn> nuvolari, not sure which would be the best. the main thing is monthly cost should be as low as possible.
[12:02] <Owkkuri> magespawn: local or international?
[12:02] <magespawn> do not really mind as long as they are reliable
[12:03] <Owkkuri> I'm quite happy with hetzner.de
[12:03] <magespawn> ease of installing cms is a big plus
[12:03] <magespawn> had a look at them
[12:04] <magespawn> bbl have to get kids from school
[12:04] <Owkkuri> I use something similar to http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4
[12:13] <nuvolari> linode is also great
[12:13] <nuvolari> stack scripts make it easier if you don't want to do manual stuff
[12:51] <magespawn> howdy back again
[12:52] <bakuman> nice old eskom came and replaced all my lights with power savers
[12:52] <magespawn> how did you manage that one?
[12:53] <bakuman> their going around the houses and doing everyone's
[12:53] <magespawn> not where i stay thats for sure. is that a once off?
[12:54] <bakuman> i thinks so, two school kids came around with boxes of lights
[12:55] <magespawn> still pretty nice
[12:55] <bakuman> they replaced the new ones still in their boxes as well
[12:55] <bakuman> so i have 3 spares
[12:56] <bakuman> and its the twirly roundish ones, so they fit everywhere. A bit orangey though
[13:02] <magespawn> maybe they are busy working their way around the country
[13:20] <bakuman> yea thats what im guessing
[13:21] <bakuman> i seriously need to put an aircon in my roof :)
[14:10] <Owkkuri> bakuman: they do warm up eventually to be quite bright
[14:33] <bakuman> ah ok cool :)
[14:36] <ubuntu> howdy all
[14:38] <bakuman> hi
[14:39] <ubuntu> this magespawn
[14:40] <ubuntu> i am just using a live usb disk to try out kubuntu
[14:41] <bakuman> how is it?
[14:42] <ubuntu> looks very nice
[14:42] <ubuntu> bit of a mind twist finding everything in the menus
[14:44] <ubuntu> must say Quassel is noce fro irc
[14:44] <ubuntu> noce=nice
[14:45] <ubuntu> fro=for
[15:10] <bakuman> haha
[16:28] <Kilos> whew vodacom really giving probs here
[16:28] <Kilos> evening all
[16:29] <Kilos> even struggled to connect to irc
[16:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:29]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:29] <Kilos> Maaz, strong
[16:29] <Maaz> Kilos My coffee is always strong.   Die ding is ouer as ek
[17:27] <Kilos> en vullis
[17:28] <nuvolari> dis 'n Phillips
[17:38] <Kilos> yo nlsthzn
[17:41] <nlsthzn_> Kilos: almost... ;) I am nlsthzn_
[17:41] <nlsthzn_> :p
[17:41] <nlsthzn_> for now
[17:54] <Kilos> these chatmosphere peeps just waste space in my scrollback
[17:54] <Kilos> not one even greets
[18:18] <Kilos> lo zeref
[18:18] <Kilos> wassup you
[18:40] <MissC> hey?
[18:40] <Kilos> hi MissC
[18:40] <Kilos> bye missc
[18:40] <nlsthzn_> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> another chatmosphere
[18:40] <Kilos> grrr
[18:47]  * nuvolari gaap dat dit woes gaan
[18:47] <nuvolari> dink dis 'n teken
[18:48] <nlsthzn_> :)
[18:48] <nlsthzn_> lekker lala
[18:48] <nuvolari> noggie!
[18:48] <nuvolari> chat nog met y ouboet :P
[18:48] <nuvolari> *my
[18:48] <nlsthzn_> ah :)
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <zeref> hurrrr
[19:08] <Kilos> i go crash guys
[19:08] <Kilos> all this chatting has made me yawn as well
[19:08] <Kilos> sleeo tight
[19:08] <Kilos> sleep as well
[19:20] <octoquad> 9kCSGHEE
[19:23] <nlsthzn_> ?
[19:23] <octoquad> nlsthzn: boboo :P
[19:23] <nuvolari> octoquad: no passphrase needed :P
[19:24] <octoquad> yeah thats my password, need to change it now
[19:24] <octoquad> lol
[19:24] <octoquad> anyway to automate identify in xchat?
[19:25] <nuvolari> octoquad: IRC identity?
[19:25] <octoquad> yeah
[19:25] <octoquad> I know it's possible in mIRC when I used it years ago
[19:25] <nuvolari> hmm,  I can't remember exactly, but somewhere you're able to add a login action, to then do msg nickserv identify *****
[19:26]  * nuvolari is using weechat. no point and click stuffs :P
[19:28] <nlsthzn_> lol
[19:35] <octoquad> brb
[19:43] <octoquad> exit
[19:43] <octoquad> grr
[19:43] <octoquad> lol
[19:45] <nlsthzn_> :)
[19:53] <zeref> hmm
[19:53] <zeref> anybody using gnome4
[19:53] <zeref> errr 3
[19:54] <Tonberry> better hide that time machine before someone notices...
[20:00] <drussell> time.travel++
[20:13]  * nlsthzn_ is using Ubuntu 11.10 that uses Gnome 3 :)
[20:49] <drussell> nlsthzn_: congrats
[20:50] <nlsthzn_> drussell: ... eh ... thanks?
[20:51] <drussell> nlsthzn_: yvw ;o)
[20:53]  * nlsthzn_ is still confused but that is not something new...


[03:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> Linux_Kerio: picking a distro is a personal choice, based on your own needs
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> Linux_Kerio: a better topic would be, naming your needs and users advicing you a distro after
[14:29] <Linux_Kerio> i'm looking at this edition on internet
[14:30] <Linux_Kerio> in the past i had DEBIAN in my notebook and now i have a UBUNTU
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> Linux_Kerio: debian is more vanilla out of the box, ubuntu has more candy installed, as one difference
 probably i don't understand how do you mean this ?
 can you more specific how do you mean ?
[14:38] <oerheks> all details, lotuspsychje ...
[14:38] <oerheks> lolz
[14:40] <oerheks> !debian
[14:59] <amacater_> Linux_Kerio, Different communities, different ideas. Ubuntu has good support but steers people to a narrower range of packages and more that's preconfigured out of the box, maybe. Learning on one will transfer to the other - but yes, don't mix repositories between the two :)
[15:00] <amacater_> Both Debian and Ubuntu are the bases for the huge number of derived distributions.


[00:01] <ScottK> Usually it doesn't matter for the source package.
[00:23] <RoAkSoAx> cemc, ping
[00:24] <cemc> RoAkSoAx: pong
[00:25] <RoAkSoAx> cemc, any luck with the fix for havp in debian ? :)
[00:28] <cemc> RoAkSoAx: well, not really... I opened a bugreport, and attached my patch, which I think would fix it. now it's up to the maintainer I think
[00:30] <RoAkSoAx> cemc, I see. well I run into an issue that I've been told to discuss with you. The issue is when purging. Here i attach it as well as the possible fix: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/335597/
[00:57] <cemc> RoAkSoAx: I'm not sure this will work... I think that postrm script will have the same problem unmounting the loop file as the init script has
[03:01] <sachin6870> Hi Everyone
[03:01] <ScottK> Hello sachin6870
[03:01] <sachin6870> Hi Scott, I want to contribute to Gnome desktop for Ubuntu
[03:02] <sachin6870>  I developed one gnome applet, I want it be part of ubuntu official repo
[03:02] <ScottK> sachin6870: Then #ubuntu-desktop is probably a better place to start.
[03:02] <ScottK> Oh.
[03:03] <ScottK> We do help with packaging here, so this might be the right place.
[03:03] <sachin6870> ok thanks
[03:03] <sachin6870> http://cricscoreapplet.sourceforge.net/
[03:03] <sachin6870> this is project home page
[03:03] <sachin6870> Can you please help me with procedure?
[03:04] <ScottK> I can give you some general advice.
[03:04] <sachin6870> That will be great
[03:04] <ScottK> I'm busy with a few other things tonight, so I don't have time for detailed assitance.
[03:04] <ScottK> !revu | sachin6870
[03:04] <sachin6870> no problem.
[03:05] <ScottK> !packagingguide | sachin6870
[03:05] <ScottK> Those will get you started.
[03:05] <sachin6870> ok
[03:05] <ScottK> When you have questions, just ask them and usually if someone is around who knows the answer, they will help you.
[03:05] <sachin6870> ok
[03:06] <sachin6870> Thanks Scott for your valuable time.
[03:06] <ScottK> No problem.  It's always good to see new people who want to contribute.
[06:25] <dtchen> so, who are my unlucky souls using Analog Devices HDA codecs?
[06:25] <nigel_nb> maco: how long are you gonna be up?
[06:26] <diwic> dtchen: sorry, HDA ATI SB here, but when you get to Realtek ALC888, count me in.
[06:27] <micahg> anyone have a link to the remove from archive instruction page?
[06:27] <dtchen> diwic: ugh, Realtek is a mindfsck in and of itself
[06:28] <dtchen> granted, the www.analog.com giving me crap for data sheet searches is less than useful
[06:33] <dtchen> ok, never ever do a hard reset and then pull into a branch :(
[06:33] <dtchen> I just nuked all my powerdown-analog work in one second. Thank goodness for rsync backups.
[06:40] <jdong> dtchen: git scares me in that sense at times.
[06:40] <jdong> being an incredibly powerful tool with a clunky UI, I've found it way too easy to do the wrong thing (tm)
[06:40] <jdong> of course I've typically been lucky enough to be in the presence of a git deity with some magic sequence of even less intuitive commands to get things back
[06:40] <jdong> (no pun intended)
[06:41] <micahg> jdong: you have the link to the package removal instruction page?
[06:41] <jdong> micahg: no, I do not
[06:42] <jmarsden> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing%20Packages
[06:43] <jmarsden> I think!
[06:43] <micahg> thanks jmarsden
[06:44] <jmarsden> You're welcome
[08:27] <damagednoob> with those motu videos on youtube (dholbach), is any of that stuff written down anywhere?
[10:02] <stochastic_> can anyone point me to a good basic tutorial on building a patch with quilt?
[10:23] <geser> stochastic_: there is a wiki page about adding a patch with quilt
[10:24] <geser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#quilt%20%28example%20package:%20xterm%29
[10:24] <stochastic_> google found a nice explanatory pdf file after I hunted through about five other "introductions" that were more like latin than introductory.
[10:25] <stochastic_> that wiki page really doesn't explain how to add a patch, it gives a one-line example as the editor, but doesn't explain itself
[10:25] <stochastic_> to a beginner it's pretty useless.
[10:26]  * stochastic_ ended up reading this: http://www.suse.de/~agruen/quilt.pdf
[10:42] <pochu> quilt is not the easiest patch system to learn, but is awesome to work with once you've learnt it
[10:50] <stochastic_> pochu, so, once a quilt diff file exists in debian/patches, and is listed in debian/patches/series then what does a person need to do to ensure the patch is applied at build time?
[10:50] <pochu> check the build log :)
[10:51] <stochastic_> lol, okay.
[10:51] <pochu> if the patch system was already there and you only added a new patch, it should be okay though
[10:51] <stochastic_> no, there was no patch system
[10:55] <diwic> stochastic_: are you using cdbs, debhelper etc?
[10:57] <diwic> stochastic_: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html
[10:57] <stochastic_> diwic, the package uses debhelper - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/raul/0.5.1-1
[10:59] <diwic> stochastic_: according to the howto I just posted you're supposed to do "dh --with quilt" in debian/rules
[11:01] <stochastic_> diwic, okay, thanks.  Though the rules file in that package is really strange looking.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/335808/
[11:02] <diwic> stochastic_: that's normal for a debhelper 7 - just change "dh $@" to "dh --with quilt $@"
[11:02] <stochastic_> diwic, ahh thanks.
[11:03] <diwic> stochastic_: and add dependency debhelper >= 7.0.8 (and quilt)
[11:06] <stochastic_> diwic, yes I had quilt already added.  debhelper needs to be >=7.0.8 though?
[11:06] <diwic> stochastic_: I'm just retelling the howto for you :-)
[11:06] <stochastic_> ;)
[11:09]  * stochastic_ waits for pbuilder to update to lucid...
[11:09] <pochu> 7.0.8 added the --with option
[11:33] <jariq> I am creating package for network daemon. Should I create sysv init script or upstart job or both ? What is the best pactice for ubuntu now ?
[12:12] <rjnienaber> is there anywhere on the wiki that details how to setup your system for package building?
[12:12] <rjnienaber> if not i could create a page
[12:38] <diwic> rjnienaber: sudo apt-get install build-essentials ?
[12:39] <rjnienaber> i was thinking something more along the lines of this: http://owlsayswoot.therandomist.com/2009/12/06/maintaining-ubuntu-package-setting-up-your-system/
[12:39] <diwic> rjnienaber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[12:42] <rjnienaber> there seems to be some detail in the video that's not on the wiki
[12:43] <tsimpson> it is a wiki, edit it ;)
[12:45] <rjnienaber> cool :)
[13:35] <feasty>  identify beasty
[13:35] <feasty> oops
[13:36] <elky> oops would be quite correct.
[13:39] <feasty> :)
[14:49] <lfaraone> Hi, I'm building a package which depends on pandoc. When I attempt to build it with pbuilder, pbuilder co mplains that it is a virtual package and cannot continue, but synaptic says it isn't a virtual package. What gives?
[15:00] <tsimpson> lfaraone: make sure pbuilder is using the right release and is up to date
[15:08] <lfaraone> tsimpson: it's on karmic, and I just rebuilt base.tgz
[15:11] <randomaction> lfaraone: do you have universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[15:12] <lfaraone> randomaction: I didn't explictly enable it, what do I need to do/
[15:12] <lfaraone> *?
[15:40] <randomaction> lfaraone: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe%20support
[16:13] <nigel_nb> does the bot work in here? bug 394373
[16:13] <nigel_nb> strange, it works
[19:06] <lfaraone> Hey, would a "package cannot be removed under non english locales" be SRU-worthy?
[19:07] <jdong> lfaraone: sure sounds like it to me
[19:08] <lfaraone> jdong: mk.
[19:08] <kklimonda> lfaraone: you have a linl to bug report about this package? I wonder what's wrong with it :)
[19:10] <lfaraone> kklimonda: it's a funny bug. the daemon "stop" code checks a error message for a string rather than looking for the error code.
[19:11] <lfaraone> kklimonda: bug 479131. I just checked in a fix upstream which works for me, and am now going to prepare my first SRU :)
[19:11] <kklimonda> and update calls restart, right?
[19:12] <lfaraone> kklimonda: yes.
[19:13] <kklimonda> funny
[19:14] <lfaraone> kklimonda: mhm. the fix is trivial (see http://code.google.com/p/autokey/source/diff?spec=svn192&r=192&format=side&path=/trunk/src/lib/daemon.py&old_path=/trunk/src/lib/daemon.py&old=73 ), but I'll have to push out a new lucid revision first, right?
[19:16] <kklimonda> lfaraone: well, it depends but the best way is to fix it in current development version first indeed
[19:17] <kklimonda> i wonder if this fix is fine
[19:17] <kklimonda> before err.errno is checked err is casted to string so .errno is lost
[19:19] <lfaraone> kklimonda: oh! right, I forgot about that.
[19:20] <lfaraone> Fixed in svn:193
[19:23] <lfaraone> kklimonda: does that look sane?
[19:24] <kklimonda> yes
[19:36] <wrapster> while trying to install a pkg i get this erorr.."trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/logname', which is also in package coreutils
[19:37] <wrapster> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken Pipe
[19:39] <lfaraone> lintian is complaining about my DEP3-style headers (which lack "## DP:")
[19:39] <lfaraone> Is this a good reason to override?
[19:40] <dtchen> wrapster: please pastebin the entire dpkg output
[19:40] <dtchen> according to the 9.10 archive there is only one package that contains that file
[19:40] <wrapster> dtchen: http://pastie.org/730680
[19:42] <dtchen> wrapster: is this nexenta?
[19:42] <wrapster> dtchen: yeah.
[19:42] <wrapster> but since it was a pkging issue i asked it here..
[19:42] <wrapster> sorry if i was worng.
[19:42] <wrapster> but would really appreaciate if you could at least tell me where to look ?
[19:43] <geser> wrapster: perhaps this package should also divert /usr/bin/logname but the nexenta guys should know better than us
[19:43] <wrapster> geser: where are the diverts specified? and are they same as pkgname.links? file!!
[19:44] <wrapster> i mean do both do the same job?
[19:45] <kklimonda> lfaraone: you should add comment to your patch. and if you are not willing to do that don't override lintian warnings - just let them be
[19:47] <wrapster> geser: any idea?
[19:58] <dtchen> wrapster: the nexenta web site is very confusing to me
[19:59] <dtchen> wrapster: that source doesn't appear to be in hardy-unstable at all, either
[19:59] <dtchen> wrapster: but yes, what geser said is correct
[20:00] <dtchen> wrapster: it's probably best to approach the specific nexenta porting folks for this issue
[20:01] <wrapster> dtchen: ok.. thanks
[20:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: i'm using a proprietary display/keyboard/mouse/audio peripheral from NComputing, and sound works under Gnome but not Sugar. What should I do to go about debugging it?
[20:04] <dtchen> you lost me at proprietary
[20:05] <dtchen> anyhow -- start with http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[20:07] <lfaraone> dtchen: yeah, it pains me too. for some reason the company that produces them is worried that if they FOSS their software then people will make cheap knockoffs of their peripherals.
[20:07] <dtchen> not my concern, really, but lack of source makes it difficult to point out bugs in the audio source code, yadda yadda
[20:08] <dtchen> wow, there really is a crackton of broken HDA controllers
[20:09] <dtchen> maybe we should just invert this list and make everything use position_fix=1
[20:10] <ajmitch> you can bet that will bring its own set of problems
[20:10] <dtchen> oh of course
[20:10]  * ajmitch gets the impression there's no silver bullet to fix this
[20:11] <dtchen> if there's anything I've learned, it's that any action will break some non-trivial, very vocal portion of the userbase
[20:11] <ajmitch> maybe some garlic & stakes through the heart of HDA
[20:12] <dtchen> nah, just through that of the OEMs
[20:13] <ajmitch> that'd be more fun


[18:21] <mup> PR operator#728 opened: Harness: allow config file to be empty <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/728>
[18:49] <mup> Issue operator#729 opened: KeyError: storage_name mismatch  <Created by jardon> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/729>
[19:37] <mup> Issue operator#729 closed: KeyError: storage_name mismatch  <Created by jardon> <Closed by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/729>