[00:50] <kuyanatan> can someone help me? have a computer that freezes when waking from sleep, does not respond. only does this when i close laptop lid, not choose suspend from the menu.
[00:54] <kuyanatan> someone from ubuntu-beginners said i should come here. is this the wrong place for this problem?
[00:56] <kuyanatan> ...
[02:03] <paultag> cnd: poke :)
[02:06] <johanbr> kuyanatan, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend for instructions on debugging suspend/resume bugs
[02:07] <kuyanatan> johanbr: thanks!
[02:07] <johanbr> you're welcome
[02:08] <johanbr> when you're done with those steps, you can either ask here or file a bug by doing "ubuntu-bug linux" (or both)
[02:09] <kuyanatan> ok
[02:09] <kuyanatan> thank you!
[02:11] <johanbr> no problem :)
[02:45] <cnd> paultag, hey, what's up?
[02:46] <paultag> cnd: mind if I throw a PM your way?
[02:48] <cnd> paultag, sure
[08:55] <lag> apw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=lag/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commitdiff;h=652d0096e4cc7361db47b6efbebac28f7663bfc0
[09:30] <kraut> moin
[09:31] <apw> moin
[09:33] <csurbhi> apw, morning!
[09:33] <apw> morning
[09:33] <cooloney> apw: csurbhi morning
[09:34] <cooloney> csurbhi: long time no see
[09:34] <csurbhi> hie cooloney :)
[09:34]  * apw waves manically
[09:34] <csurbhi> cooloney, how are you doing?
[09:35] <cooloney> csurbhi: good, we will meet in Prague, right?
[09:35] <csurbhi> cooloney, yes, we will
[09:36] <kermiac> I just noticed bug 606139 from a member of the VMware QA Team. I re-assigned to the "linux" package but thought I would mention it here too as it seemed important
[09:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606139 in linux (Ubuntu) "Request to disable vmwgfx driver in default config (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606139
[09:45] <ademmer> kamal: greetings! I stumbled upon your patch, fixing the broken ACPI backlight control for i915
[09:46] <ademmer> kamal: do you know, when you could submit your patch to the upstream kernel?
[10:06] <apw> ademmer, kamal is normally awake much later in the day
[10:10] <ademmer> apw: which timezone is he in? thx for the info! :)
[10:13] <cooloney> ademmer: i think kamal is based in CA, US
[10:14] <ademmer> cooloney: thx!
[10:27] <Daviey> Hi.. Has the flurry of e1000e patches from upstream landed in maverick yet?
[10:51] <apw> Daviey, maverick is at v2.6.35-r5 if that helps
[10:51] <apw> rc
[10:51] <Daviey> ah, ha - perhaps!
[10:59] <cooloney> apw: one quick question, when will our M kernel be freezed?
[11:00] <cooloney> we might got some big patches for ti-omap4 in Sep
[11:00] <apw> *might* ?
[11:00] <cooloney> yeah, their montly release
[11:01] <cooloney> apw: September 16th, right? for kernel freeze
[11:02] <apw> cooloney, yes 16th is the cut-off, though our freeze date will likely be 9th or 10th as we have to prepare them
[11:03] <cooloney> apw: thx, i got it. so if we got about 200 patches before Sep 9th and we prepared the new ti-omap4 branch
[11:03] <apw> upload them, wait for them to build, fix them, repeat
[11:03] <cooloney> it is ok for mergeing right?
[11:05] <apw> is what ok for merging where?
[11:06] <apw> cooloney, ^^ ?
[11:08] <cooloney> oh, merging into Maverick ti-omap4 tree.
[11:09] <cooloney> i am afraid that they will get us a big volumn patches just at our kernel freeze time.
[11:09] <apw> as long as its tested before then i guess its ok, but its the mobile team who have to test them
[11:09] <cooloney> or close to
[11:09] <cooloney> yeah, thx. we will work on that.
[11:10] <apw> it would be better to get stuff much earler as you are making all the testing done at A3 and Beta pointless
[11:10] <cooloney> apw: yeah, i am trying to push that.
[11:11] <cooloney> but bascially, their relese at the first half part of every month
[11:11] <apw> so how many patches did we get this month
[11:12] <cooloney> i was told there will be 200 at least for our .34 kernel
[11:12] <apw> we need to get buy in from mobile that they are ok with it changing things that late i guess
[11:12] <cooloney> but just one month later, we will move to .35 ti-omap4 kernel
[11:13] <cooloney> so i don't wanna merge too many things,
[11:13] <apw> have we had the july patches yet?
[11:13] <cooloney> no
[11:13] <apw> so we're not likely to get them in time are we
[11:13] <cooloney> we got 200 more patches in July
[11:13] <apw> we 'have got' or 'will get'
[11:14] <cooloney> we are discussing these.
[11:14] <cooloney> actually they have 900 patches in July relese
[11:14] <apw> but have they released the july release to us yet ?
[11:14] <cooloney> and sebjan is helping to pick up some for our Ubuntu usage
[11:15] <cooloney> apw: no, they released internally
[11:15] <cooloney> but sebjan is helping to pick up some and release for us
[11:15] <apw> so the likelyhood is that the august from is not going to arrive in time then
[11:16] <apw> august patch drop
[11:16] <cooloney> i was told it will be 200
[11:16] <cooloney> next month, August they will release a new branch based on .35
[11:16] <cooloney> we have to redo lots of work
[11:16] <apw> right ... and then the september drop is the one you care about
[11:16] <cooloney> and replace our current .34 branch
[11:17] <cooloney> yeah,
[11:17] <cooloney> correct
[11:17] <apw> and that isn't likely to be done in time
[11:17] <cooloney> because september drop is similar to this month
[11:17] <cooloney> i think so
[11:17] <apw> as they haven't got the july one out before the 16th
[11:17] <cooloney> right.
[11:17] <apw> if it doesn't make the 10th they'll have to wait till after release i suspect
[11:18] <cooloney> exactly,
[11:18] <apw> and you can fight the sru team to get it through :)
[11:18] <cooloney> lol,
[11:19] <cooloney> just wanna let them know the tight schedule
[11:19] <apw> yep tell them the 9th
[11:19] <cooloney> yeah, already told sebjan about that.
[11:19] <apw> that gives us a week to integrate and build them before we can no longer upload
[11:19] <cooloney> but he is not sure about that
[11:20] <cooloney> yeah, that will be perfect.
[11:20] <apw> then they miss the release
[11:20] <apw> time waits for no man
[11:21] <cooloney> don't miss the perfect 10/10!!
[11:21] <cooloney> apw: are you all set for the trip?
[11:21] <apw> cooloney, 10/10>  yeah something like that
[11:22] <apw> trip> heh not really, i've got my computers mostly ready to go, but nothing to wear at the moment
[11:23] <apw> cooloney, how about you?
[11:23] <cooloney> apw: just exchanged some euros today.
[11:23] <apw> cooloney, do they use euro in prahah ?
[11:24] <apw> i thought it was crowns
[11:24] <cking_> check crowns
[11:24] <apw> czech crowns
[11:24] <cking_> doh, yep
[11:24] <cooloney> apw: yeah, we cannot exchange for that CZ currency in China
[11:24] <cooloney> so euros is ok,
[11:24] <apw> oh what a pain that is for you
[11:24] <cooloney> then we exchange euros to CZ there
[11:25] <apw> mad .. not going to cost you a fortune no way
[11:25] <cooloney> in their airport, maybe
[11:25] <cooloney> but i was told, they also accept euros
[11:25] <cooloney> as well as their own currency
[11:25] <cooloney> how long is your flight then?
[11:26] <apw> 1.5 hours or something
[11:26] <apw> yours?  20 ?
[11:27] <cooloney> 15 maybe, from shanghai to moscow
[11:27] <cooloney> then moscow to there
[11:27] <cooloney> but backwards it will be faster.
[11:28] <apw> moscow ... wow
[11:28] <cooloney> apw: hehe, why so exciting?
[11:29] <cooloney> we were comrades before
[11:29] <cooloney> RU and CN
[11:29] <apw> dunno, one of those dangerous and exciting sounding places, one that i've yet to go to
[11:30] <cooloney> yeah, transfer there is faster than transfer in westen europe hub
[11:31] <apw> speak any russian ?
[11:31] <cooloney> a little, my father and mother studied that when they are in high school.
[11:31] <apw> handy if you get lost in the airport
[11:32] <cooloney> Товарищ
[11:34] <cooloney> ok, apw and cking_ i gonna head out for dinner
[11:34] <apw> see ya
[11:34] <cooloney> see you this Sunday
[11:34] <apw> yarg
[11:58]  * apw lunches
[13:23]  * apw_ works on the agenda for next week ...
[13:24] <cking_> apw_, perhaps I should do a firmware test suite spot
[13:27] <apw_> Sure why not. I am working on the page offline, so will add it here
[13:46] <tseliot> mjg59: is it ok to set usbcore.autosuspend=1 when using recent kernels?
[13:53] <apw_> TSELIOT isn't that something powertop recommends?
[13:54] <tseliot> apw_: powertop says to enable autosuspend but it doesn't say how
[13:55] <apw_> TSELIOT doesn't it print the command if you wait..  thought it did
[13:56] <tseliot> apw_: it does that with other suggestions not with autospend though
[13:56] <tseliot> autosuspend
[14:01] <apw_> Hrmm ok... that's annoying
[14:06] <tseliot> indeed
[14:22] <cking1> hrm, laptop overheated :-(
[14:31] <penguin42> if Apparmor loads a profile in Complain mode (apparmor_parser -Cr) should it change the behaviour of the application at all?
[14:31]  * penguin42 has a chromium profile that breaks it even in complain
[14:38] <apw_> Jjohansen ^^
[14:39] <jdstrand> penguin42: it should not affect it, but the '-r' reloads it and that is not always what you want. I suggest doing 'apparmor_parser -R...' followed by 'apparmor_parser -Ca'
[14:40] <jdstrand> penguin42: that is a full remove followed by add. you will have to restart chromium though
[14:41] <penguin42> jdstrand: Hmm, closer but not quite - I don't get any fonts with it like that
[14:42] <penguin42> but they reappear with -R
[14:42] <jdstrand> that should not be happening
[14:42] <jdstrand> penguin42: what does aa-status show?
[14:44] <penguin42> jdstrand: Let me paste bin it
[14:45] <penguin42> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/464540/
[14:46] <penguin42> jdstrand: I get the feeling chromium has an odd way of doing its sandboxes which is where the null-numbers come from
[14:51] <jdstrand> penguin42: the null profiles do result from the sandboxes, but they are in complain mode anyway, so it shouldn't matter
[14:52] <jdstrand> penguin42: does dmesg provide any output?
[14:52] <jdstrand> (on the denial)
[14:55] <penguin42> it gives a few moans; I'll pastebin them
[14:58] <penguin42> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/464546/
[14:58] <penguin42> jdstrand: This is on 2.6.35-8, on Lucid I used to get a lot more moaning in complain mode, but it worked
[14:59] <penguin42> mind you, there were some moans that I never got to the bottom why they were there
[15:00] <penguin42> jdstrand: http://www.treblig.org/debug/usr.lib.chromium-browser.chromium-browser   is the profile
[15:02] <jdstrand> penguin42: well, profiling with complain mode is different than profiling in enforcing. eg, in enforcing an actual denial will cause a different code path than a complain which didn't deny
[15:02] <jdstrand> penguin42: anyhoo, I think we need jj to take a look. I don't see anything that should make chromium not work in complain mode
[15:03] <penguin42> jdstrand: OK, thanks
[15:58] <apw> bdmurray,you about ?
[16:00] <komputes> Can someone please have a look at the following bug and suggest the next step to take. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/605465
[16:00] <ubot2> komputes: Error: Bug #605465 is private.
[16:01] <komputes> ^ that is incorrect
[16:02] <smb> Maybe just bug 605465
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605465 in linux (Ubuntu) "Dell XPS M1330 CPU scales down to 800 MHz (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605465
[16:02] <komputes> that works
[16:03] <apw> thats a common machine to be having issues ...
[16:03] <smb> Generally the answer to force a certain frequency limit is no. Not automatically
[16:04] <smb> Second it would be interesting to check what the current freq scaling parameters are when this happens
[16:05] <smb> grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/*
[16:06] <smb> Actually the above command done with sudo
[16:08] <smb> Oh, I see this is in mycpuinfo
[16:10] <smb> komputes, but from that file I cannot see the described problem.
[16:17] <smb> komputes, We need some real indication on that problem. If you ask the reporter to run and collect the output of "sudo powertop -d -t30" while doing a tight loop like "while true; do false; done" in another terminal when he thinks he has the problem?
[16:22] <komputes> smb: I will suggest this, thank you
[17:08] <apw> cking1, about ?
[17:09] <cking1> yep
[17:15] <hyperair> what rc is 2.6.35-7 based off?
[17:16] <apw> hyperair, thts a faq question :)
[17:17] <hyperair> apw: hmm? and where's this faq?
[17:17] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[17:17] <hyperair> ah cool thanks
[17:17] <apw> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html
[17:17] <apw> leads you to that link
[17:19] <apw> hyperair, you can also tell from /proc/version_signature if it is booted
[17:20] <hyperair> apw: yeah i just saw on the faq. thanks.
[17:20] <apw> hyperair, heh the faq has been developed a lot recently to actually have some of the frequently asked questions in it :)
[17:20] <apw> !faq
[17:20] <ubot2> A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com
[17:21] <apw> hrm
[17:21] <apw> !help
[17:21] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[17:21] <hyperair> lol
[17:21] <hyperair> i think it's !faq is blah blah
[17:21] <hyperair> but i'm not sure if it will change faq on other channels as well.
[17:21] <apw> !kernel-faq is Common Kernel questions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[17:22] <apw> it reported in on me to #ubuntu-irc for trying to talk to it ... sigh
[17:23] <apw> !kernel-faq is Common Kernel questions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[17:32] <komputes> smb: are you sure the command is powertop?
[17:32] <smb> komputes, yes, why
[17:33] <komputes> smb: I am unable to find that executable
[17:33] <smb> komputes, Maybe install it?
[17:33] <komputes> smb: package name?
[17:33] <smb> powertop
[17:33] <komputes> done, thx, wonder why it didn't propose it ;)
[17:34] <apw> cause you used sudo ?
[17:37] <komputes> apw: that would be it
[17:51] <komputes> apw: smb: Could you guys suggest a kernel option to increase the delay Ubuntu waits to see the drives?
[17:51] <bryce2> jfo, bjf: if lp #567007 sounds like a useful launchpad feature, mind clicking 'Affects me too'?  The more people marked as it affects them, the more likely it'll be to get on the Launchpad team's planning list when work starts on search improvements
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 567007 in malone "User-specific default tag search parameters (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567007
[17:52] <smb> Hm, wasn't that root_delay= ? All other mount are being waited infinitely by mountall
[18:02] <kees> komputes: kernel command-line for that (it's the initramfs scripts that parse it) is "rootdelay".  i.e. rootdelay=30 will wait 30 seconds for the root filesystem to become available.
[18:06]  * ogasawara bails, back in a few hrs
[18:23] <dupondje> [   34.007768] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>0003c0 => already reported ?
[18:24] <jjohansen> dupondje: maybe, but that isn't enough information to know
[18:25] <manjo> dupondje, could you paste bin dmesg ?
[18:25] <akgraner> apw, ping
[18:26] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/464629/
[18:27] <manjo> dupondje, is that a maverick kernel ?
[18:27] <dupondje> yea
[18:27] <sconklin> ls
[18:28] <sconklin> doh
[18:28] <manjo> dupondje, might be a good idea to open a bug on that one
[18:28] <apw> akgraner, pong
[18:28] <manjo> dupondje, ubuntu-bug -p linux
[18:29] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/606244 => this seem to be related. As whith the kernel error, I get that issue also
[18:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606244 in libdrm (Ubuntu) "X doesn't find a screen and is not starting due a race condition (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[18:29] <dupondje> without, everything works great
[18:30] <akgraner> apw - remember when you said - "Don't worry if you don't write code - if you see the instructions are wrong - don't be afraid to fix it!"  - I wanted to say thank you for your encouragement!   - check out http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308 (the acknowledgements page :D)
[18:31] <akgraner> you all are the coolest kernel team ever  - well minus pgraner that is :-P
[18:31] <apw> akgraner, see was i wrong ?
[18:32] <akgraner> no you weren't - if you hadn't said just keep writing about stuff - I don't think I would have been asked to be a technical editor on this edition - so Thanks ya'll :-)
[18:33] <penguin42> dupondje: Do you have a backtrace below it?
[18:33] <dupondje> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606393
[18:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606393 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at<PHONE_NUMBER>0003c0 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:34]  * akgraner leaves on that note  - thanks again!
[21:08] <virtuald> Aha
[21:09] <virtuald> wrong channel
[21:37]  * manjo signing out early...
[22:19] <chazn85> hey all, could someone enlighten me to the kj-triage tag?
[22:21] <bjf[afk]> chazn85, it's used by the kernel team, just ignore it
[22:25] <chazn85> ok will do, as an aspiring member currently being tutored by JFo was just curious to what it was
[22:25] <jjohansen> chazn85: kj is kernel janitor
[22:26] <jjohansen> basically its a tag used by the arsenal kernel janitor scripts
[22:26] <jjohansen> its not even documented in the tags for people to add
[22:27] <jjohansen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Tagging
[22:27] <jjohansen> you can find it mentioned in here
[22:27] <jjohansen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/specs/KernelKarmicBugHandling
[22:28] <chazn85> i thought it was automated as i hadnt seen that one as yet
[22:28] <jjohansen> yep, to really know what it does you need to look in the arsenal scripts
[22:29] <bjf[afk]> chazn85, the scripts add it and then check for it so the same bug isn't processed multiple times for the same reasons
[22:33] <chazn85> thanks guys, all part of the learning curve, ill ignore them for the time being
[22:34] <bjf[afk]> chazn85, it's not a bad idea to take a look at the scripts, there's a lot going on in them
[22:39] <chazn85> bjf[afk, i might just do that
[22:40] <bjf> chazn85, if you have questions, feel free to ask, i've been through most of them quite a bit
[22:41] <bjf> chazn85, i recommend you *don't* try to run them without talking to jfo first though
[22:43] <chazn85> im cautious at the moment, so no chance of that!


[00:00] <arraybolt3> alright, artwork attempt 2 uploaded
[00:05] <arraybolt3> !!! FORCE PUSH ALERT - I accidentally pushed one of my wallpaper mods to Lubuntu/artwork a bit too early, and then about 25 minutes later force-pushed over it with the actual final version that I uploaded to the archive. If someone cloned or pulled Lubuntu/artwork in the last 25 minutes or so, I'm sorry.
[00:05] <arraybolt3> thanks ubottu
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> ubottu, thanks
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> ... there's a syntax somewhere
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> ubottu thanks
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> It used to do a trick.
[00:42] <wxl> google translate says "He takes off or beauty grows old
 Whoops wrong channel XD
[00:44] <wxl> oh whatever :/
[01:37] <arraybolt3> About to upload a wallpaper aspect ratio fix.
[01:38] <arraybolt3> All it does is change the wallpaper mode from "stretch to fill the screen" to "zoom to fill the screen", which is closer to what KDE and the like would do.
[01:39] <arraybolt3> That should mean the end of the squashed and stretched wallpaper wars.
[01:47] <arraybolt3> And uploaded.
[02:01] <arraybolt3> Uhh... we have a "Hibernate" option in the LXQt menu? I think we always have but can't remember
[03:17]  * guiverc smiles at the funny looking rat-like critter that just reached my box :)
[03:20] <arraybolt3> hehe
[03:20] <arraybolt3> does the login screen look OK?
[03:31] <guiverc> loggin myself out (on this box)... you're asking a bit there !
[03:39] <arraybolt3> lol, no problem
[03:39] <arraybolt3> fwiw this is how it looks for me: https://i.imgur.com/kj6kq6t.png
[03:39] <arraybolt3> I kinda like it.
[03:39] <guiverc> i'll get to it... (went and turned on a box assuming it had noble, 23.04, 23.10, 22.04 but no noble)
[03:43]  * arraybolt3 still doesn't know how guiverc somehow manages to run multiboot machines with each OS installation itself a combination of multiple flavors AND his computer still works
 just updated a box and looks good to me (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> I kinda like it.)
[03:43] <arraybolt3> I've never been able to bring myself to do a true multiboot install on any "production" hardware.
[03:43] <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: Thanks!
[03:44] <arraybolt3> Also you should notice that the numbat isn't squished or stretched whether you have a 16:9, 16:10, or 4:3 screen.
[03:45] <arraybolt3> We should keep this change in mind for when we make new wallpapers because things that get put in the corners **are liable to get lost** (i.e., 4:3 screens will lose the right and left sides of 16:9 wallpapers, while 16:9 screens will lose the top and bottom of 4:3 wallpapers). So for new wallpapers, we have to try to get important elements in or
[03:45] <arraybolt3> near the center of the wallpaper, or test to make sure that no needed elements get lost on various different resolutions.
 the numbat image looks good in different res..
[03:47] <arraybolt3> nice
 about as good as a rat can look!
[03:49] <arraybolt3> He really is a curious little creature. I like when Mark chooses codenames that use some exotic animal no one's ever heard of before, like when he chose Kudu for kk, and now Numbat for nn.
[03:51] <guiverc> I'd heard of numbat, believe I saw one decades ago at the (melbourne) zoo - but that doesn't stop me from seeing an oversized-colored-rat
[04:02] <arraybolt3> sigh, got desperate waiting for a working terminal in Noble, so I just installed xterm 😢
[04:02] <arraybolt3> in all seriousness it's really a pretty good terminal, it's just a bit... basic.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> until you start doing weird things like clicking on it with the middle mouse button
[04:04] <arraybolt3> lol, just discovered xterm has an "Unreadable" font size"
[04:10]  * guiverc is using xfce4-terminal; though I took the problem as being I rebooted... didn't have an issue until after logout/reboot when I needed to restart qterminal...
[04:11] <guiverc> (i wanted to switch to lxqt 1.4; why I think I logged out, maybe rebooted)
[04:14] <arraybolt3> yeah, something's messed up with Apport autopkgtests and it has qterminal stuck in -proposed :(
[04:24] <guiverc> yeah :(  I'm aware having noted it there yesterday I recall too
[04:31] <guiverc> arraybolt3, sddm background looks good on 1920x1080 (16:9)
[04:32] <arraybolt3> nice, thanks!
[04:47] <guiverc> arraybolt3, looks good too on 1280x1024 (3:4) & 1680x1050 (or something like that; 16:10) - love the numbat pic on those
[04:48] <arraybolt3> woot!
[04:49] <guiverc> different proportions when view together (numbat looks long on 16:10, short on 3:4) but still good
[04:49] <guiverc> s/view/viewed
[04:52] <arraybolt3> oh really? That's odd...
[04:52] <arraybolt3> guiverc: can you right-click on your desktop and click on Desktop Preferences?
[04:53] <arraybolt3> Then click the "Background" tab and tell me what "Wallpaper mode" is set to.
[04:53] <arraybolt3> Should be "Zoom the image to fill the entire screen", but it sounds like you're still on "Stretch to fill the entire screen".
[04:55] <guiverc> stretch to fill entire screen, plus individual wallpaper... i'm using a daily (live) with upgrades applied; logout & login again  so defaults
[04:55] <arraybolt3> hrm... I wonder if you got the lubuntu-default-settings update yet (I did).
[04:55] <arraybolt3> or... did I?
 also have stretch as defaul on latest iso
[04:56] <arraybolt3> Nope, I didn't get it yet.
[04:56] <arraybolt3> I must have changed my settings manually.
[04:56] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Expect the colored rat to stop changing proportions on different screens whenever you get a lubuntu-default-settings update.
[05:01] <guiverc_live> lubuntu-default-settings 23.10.4
[05:24] <arraybolt3> yeah, that's the old versoin
[05:29] <guiverc> that's actually good to hear  (reason for it!)  ...  thanks arraybolt3
[07:21] <guiverc_live> lubuntu-default-settings is now 24.04.1 but I don't see a change on screen; the 16:10 wallpaper & 5:4 still appear to have same image; wider monitor appears to have a stretched version of same animal on 5:4 (the animal on 5:4 appears taller)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/4295392d/file_10128.jpg
 Kicking off a respin. New ISO in about an hour should have a fixed terminal
 So 20231117 and on
 Qterminal working in noble.
[13:03] <LimeOn> Hello o/ . Just for context: i have noticed some time ago that the lubot does not displayed properly tildes. This is used in spanish channel, for example. When i wrote in the IRC side, the displayed message in the telegram room showed the tildes uncorrectly
[13:04] <LimeOn> I have checked a few minutes ago and they seemed to be displayed properly, but i guess it would be wise to at least mention it, in case it would appears again
 LimeOn: Feel free to idle here, you're welcome to stay :)
 *drops the nukes on @teward001*
[13:05] <LimeOn> thank you very much, i will keep the bouncer around :)
[13:05] <LimeOn> i imagine some good chats occurs here, so i expect to learn a bit too :D
 @teward001: Gooooooooooooood morning!  See the above issue :P
 LimeOn: It's quite entertaining but slightly high-traffic, so I'd mute notifications unless you're pinged ;)
[13:06] <LimeOn> ok, i will try to ping in case i have someting important to say ^^
[13:07] <LimeOn> important as urgent, fast or high-priority
 LimeOn: Out of curiosity, would you ever be interested in joining our QA team? Really important stuff to make sure the release goes out. No huge commitment, we ping you when we need you, if you can't help that time maybe you can help next time :)
[13:07]  * guiverc confirms qterminal opens... haven't had it in a few days; thanks tsimonq2
[13:08] <LimeOn> i am not sure if QA is 'quality assurement' or questions & answers ^^
[13:09] <guiverc> Quality Assurance (Q&A is what I expect for Questions & Answers)
 Quality assurance. Basically, we say, hey LimeOn, could you help us test this package or this ISO? Otherwise, we have plenty of work to do in terms of just checking boxes, if you find yourself with a spare hour and don't spend that entire time reading backlog of this channel :P
 (That being said, you can find some cool gems in here. :P)
 It's an open offer, for you and anyone else interested in helping, by the way
 I've always liked the idea of a +2 or more on a test - not mandatory but helpful
[13:11] <LimeOn> hmm, theres a problem with that, i may have not said it already, but i am not using the lubuntu distro a the moment. I am a avid LXQt user, but i am in arch linux at the moment. I am in the lxqt project channel, and we talked a bit a few days ago ^^
[13:12] <LimeOn> rober gently offered me to be part of the support branch a few days ago too, but i would not like to compromise myself and then, when you need my help, not being able to do it :(
 Ah, no worries. We'll eventually cross paths in terms of coordination then, I look forward to it :)
[13:12] <LimeOn> support=what i am being doing in the few days
 If you ever change your mind or decide to switch distros, we are here :)
 Right, and I totally get that
[13:13] <LimeOn> i think i will stick to the spanish support thing for the moment, but thanks for the offering :)
 Of course!
[13:13] <LimeOn> i may consider the translations part in the future too, but it seems that theres a lot of help in that branch already :)
[13:13] <LimeOn> a lot of spanish speakers helping in that ^^
 I'll take this opportunity to say thanks to guiverc, @Leokolb, arraybolt3, and more for always being on top of QA, I *really* appreciate it :)
 LimeOn: Cool! Not sure if you can see it, but the Telegram side has close to 400 members. So, you really are making an impact.
[13:15] <LimeOn> yes, i am in the telegram side too, but i like the old-school look of the irc way haha
 LimeOn: You could totally still apply for Membership if you end up doing that consistently for 4-6+ months :)
 Comes with perks, like getting to throw rocks at @teward001 on a daily basis XD
[13:16] <LimeOn> Thank you!! i really appreciate it, i think its important to retrieve something back of this big work you are doing for the community ^^
[13:16]  * guiverc adds for clarity; only 'virtual' rocks allowed
 LimeOn: We're really glad to have you around, I mean it :)
 guiverc: yes yes XD
[13:19] <LimeOn> I have to go now, i want to give a BIG THANKS again for this big proyect you have been doing in all this years, i have been lubuntu user for 2 years in my first steps in linux, so i decided to help those who are in the same place as i have been. Also, i just switched because i wanted to learn a bit more about this, lubuntu was excellent, nothing to complain ^^
[13:20] <LimeOn> I will try to keep on-day with the logs in here, goodbye, and have a good friday ^^
[13:20] <Roberalz> Return to home LimeOn
[13:20] <Roberalz> XD
[13:38] <tsimonq2> XD
 Just nuke the users settings, this is fine XD
[15:00]  * arraybolt3 raises an eyebrow at tsimonq2
 I'm kidding, of course :P
[15:14] <arraybolt3> I knew you were :)
[15:16] <arraybolt3> Ugh, every single time I try to see how LXD VMs work, I chicken out. That tool may be handy, but good grief is it complicated. They have so many different classes of commands it's like navigating an asteroid field.
[15:17] <arraybolt3> Still just using QEMU manually for now I guess.
 one further confirm - terminal opens @tsimonq2 iso 17112023 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> confirms qterminal opens... haven't had it in a few days; thanks tsimonq2)
 @tsimonq2 nothing to do, known limitation in matterbridge due to various codecs in use (ascii vs. utf8 vs. etc.)
 i'd need to know which platform is failing with examples etc.
 I would have to confirm it, but I think it is from irc to telegram
[16:06] <arraybolt3> @teward001: Mmm. Text codecs. I wonder when we'll end up with a patented text codec so that you can only read certain documents if you have a license.
[16:07]  * arraybolt3 prepares to be shot with lasers
 Also, it doesn't always fail, only sometimes when strange characters appear, when I see an example I'll post it.
 (irc) <LimeOn> por quÃ© se ha separado el idioma espaÃ±ol en las traducciones segun la regiÃ³n?
[16:13] <arraybolt3> ouch
 The words are qué español
 And región
 But today
 14:18]  Roberalz:  Camión
 [14:18]  Roberalz: Avión
 [14:18]  Roberalz: Creo que a veces funciona y otras no
 [14:19]  Roberalz: Día
 Is ok
 XD
[16:15]  * arraybolt3 wonders if someone has their client set to Windows-1252 encoding or something
[16:42] <tsimonq2> Kay, so I'll handle some low-hanging fruit off the bat today. The packages that use lxqt-menu-data should actually, you know, depend on it. :P
[16:43] <arraybolt3> do they not?
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Nope, not that I can see.
[16:43] <arraybolt3> I added deps for those to at least two packages
[16:43] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[16:43] <arraybolt3> since they build-fail without it
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Build deps, but runtime deps?
[16:43] <arraybolt3> hrm
[16:43] <arraybolt3> I thought $(misc:Depends) handled that or something
[16:43] <tsimonq2> $ reverse-depends lxqt-menu-data
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Reverse-Depends
[16:43] <tsimonq2> [16:43] <tsimonq2> * lubuntu-desktop
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Packages without architectures listed are reverse-dependencies in: amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, s390x
[16:43] <arraybolt3> but no, not runtime deps
[16:43] <tsimonq2> And that's because I manually added it.
[16:44] <arraybolt3> ugh, welp
[16:44] <tsimonq2> Anyway, there's that, and there's translations mucking up with the new menu, which I intend to fix today.
[16:44] <arraybolt3> guess Debian build tooling isn't as smart as I hoped
[16:44] <tsimonq2> After both of those items, I'll be keeping an ear on things, but it'll be $dayjob for (probably) the rest of the day.
[16:44] <arraybolt3> sounds like a plan
[16:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: How's the connection editor coming along, by the way?
[16:45] <arraybolt3> Did some more work on it last night.
[16:45] <tsimonq2> I don't know that I'm aware of its current status, either way. :P
[16:45] <arraybolt3> I was able to get the QProcess call out :D
[16:45] <tsimonq2> NICE!
[16:45] <arraybolt3> so now saving network settings is done in one operation
[16:45] <arraybolt3> Anyway, so far I have the connection display dialog working perfectly AFAICT.
[16:45] <arraybolt3> It's also possible to delete connections, and I have many features imple.mented for modifying Ethernet connections.
[16:46] <arraybolt3> (only missing IPv6 settings editing, and IPv4 needs a bit more polishing)
[16:46] <arraybolt3> No other interface types have working editors yet, but I built things modularly so a lot of the work *should* be done for me already.
[16:46] <arraybolt3> (i.e., I can reuse the General, IPv4, and IPv6 tabs from Ethernet in just about everything, I think)
[16:47] <arraybolt3> anyway, it builds and runs on Noble, so if you want to test-drive it, feel free.
[16:48] <arraybolt3> (actually the connection display dialog has a bit of a bug - if you double-click on a connection name it opens the settings dialog, but if you double-click on the "last used" time it doesn't do anything - hopefully that'll be trivial to fix)
[16:49] <tsimonq2> Are we in a position yet to get it in the archive?
[16:49] <arraybolt3> Not anywhere near close :P I would like for it to at *least* fully support Ethernet and WiFi first.
[16:49] <arraybolt3> Also it sort of needs to, ahem, be able to add new connections
[16:49] <arraybolt3> I haven't implemented that at all yet
[16:50] <tsimonq2> When it's at that point, just get the packaging ready, and I'll review/upload it.
[16:50] <arraybolt3> sounds good
[16:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: In the meantime, get to stealing merges when you're not busy with this ;D
[16:50] <tsimonq2> And, keep us posted. :)
[16:50] <arraybolt3> hehe
[16:50] <arraybolt3> will do
[16:51] <tsimonq2> Did we also plan on doing Bluetooth editing this cycle too, you think?
[16:51] <tsimonq2> I may just take that on since I really frequently use Bluetooth.
[16:51] <arraybolt3> I hoped to, but this current project is really tricky so I'm not sure.
[16:51] <tsimonq2> Is there a Qt binding for pure x86 assembly XD
[16:51] <arraybolt3> no :P
[16:51] <arraybolt3> not that I know of
[16:52] <arraybolt3> also that's not going to build on s390x or anything so
[16:52] <tsimonq2> Or... or... hear me out...
[16:52] <tsimonq2> Scratch
[16:52] <arraybolt3> no
[16:52] <tsimonq2> XD
[16:52] <arraybolt3> Go program it in COBOL if you want to tear your eyes out, at least that's a real programming language >_<
[16:52] <tsimonq2> LMFAO
[16:52] <arraybolt3> Or INTERCAL.
[16:52] <tsimonq2> GCC supports COBOL now btw!
[16:52] <arraybolt3> I would love to see an INTERCAL implementation of something.
[16:53] <arraybolt3> My main problem with the network editor is that the APIs work in inconsistent ways and are very poorly documented, so I keep having to do way more trial and error and research than one would expect. That's what's slowing me down for the most part.
[16:54] <tsimonq2> Ah, okay. That makes sense.
[16:55] <arraybolt3> For instance, setting a cloned MAC address to a real value works, but setting it to a blank value doesn't work - the old value is simply retained. You have to convert the settings object to a weird kind of multi-level variant map, extract a different variant map out of it, remove the cloned MAC address from the nested map, then remove the old
[16:55] <arraybolt3> version of the map and insert the new version into the top-level map, then feed that back into NetworkManagerQt.
[16:56] <arraybolt3> And the way I figured that out was only because the same kind of insane hack was needed for 802.1x related things.
[16:56] <arraybolt3> And it turns out that hack doesn't work for IPv4 settings... BUT... it's OK because setting IPv4 mode to Automatic (rather than Manual) has the happy side effect of wiping the previous manual IPv4 settings!
[16:57] <arraybolt3> 🤪
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Fun, fun stuff. Heh.
[17:02] <tsimonq2> I actually think the project would be better served if I work more on the installer stuff, then on the update notifier stuff.
[17:03] <tsimonq2> If we get to Bluetooth, we get to Bluetooth. We already have a basic GUI.
[17:05] <tsimonq2> After that, power manager.
[17:05] <tsimonq2> That's probably going to be my List, and of course critical bugs always go to the top of my list.
 Installing todays ISO - default but no Firefox on menu - doing retest and will file bug
 retested and unable to reproduce —maybe operator error?😳
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> Looks like uploads are indeed back to normal.
[17:35] <tsimonq2> \o/
[18:08] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: If we don't get to Bluetooth, can we at least swap out Bluedevil for Blueman and call it good enough? The existing Bluetooth solution is * very basic, * introduces the KDE System Settings thingy as a dependency, * doesn't have a tray icon, * and doesn't to provide the needed options for certain Bluetooth tricks (playing audio from one
[18:08] <arraybolt3> computer out the speakers of a different computer for instance).
[18:09] <arraybolt3> I want to make a good Bluetooth frontend but I'm thinking of "plan B" since that may be a bit difficult.
[18:12] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I would have to try it locally to see if I like it, but sure.
[18:13] <arraybolt3> It's relatively nice, or at least was the last time I tested it.
[18:18] <tsimonq2> Switching over the default now. It's leaps and bounds better than Bluedevil.
[18:18] <tsimonq2> I hate that it's GTK, but it's fairly light. It should be on our wishlist to port it.
[18:47] <arraybolt3> Woohoo!
[18:47] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: before you upload that change...
[18:47] <arraybolt3> if you didn't already...
[18:47] <arraybolt3> I think there's a bug report for KDE System Settings ending up in Lubuntu?
[18:48] <arraybolt3> If so, the change that puts Blueman into Lubuntu probably fixes that.
[18:52] <tsimonq2> I don't... think so?
[18:52] <tsimonq2> We could always check.
[18:56] <arraybolt3> It might not have been in LP after all.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> Hah, cool.
[19:41] <tsimonq2> Does anyone want to volunteer to start a 24.04 LTS Release Notes doc on notes.lubuntu.me, so we don't forget about all the cool stuff we're doing?
[19:42] <tsimonq2> (I'll give it a few days before I do that if someone doesn't, probably.)
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Also, if you have images, you need to upload them as media on lubuntu.me, or the links won't work once we go to post them. Ask a member of the LC for help.
[19:43] <tsimonq2> (People with access: it's incredibly janky, you must do the "multiple" Add Media selection, which is somewhat hidden. :P)
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> If the sddm-conf breaks anything imma send y'all into orbit.
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Why? It's an optional addon. :P
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Are you seeding it too? :P
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> No, just wanted something to yeet. Seemed like a good scapegoat. :P
[19:45] <tsimonq2> hah ;D
[19:51]  * arraybolt3 redirects a nearby meteor to Eickmeyer's current coordinates
[19:51]  * Eickmeyer uses Iron Shield and rolls Nat20. It is effective.
[19:52] <arraybolt3> btw random aside, can you imagine how extremely dead this whole world would be if open-source programmers could actually physically do the things we do to each other virtually here? :P
[19:52] <arraybolt3> shoot, just this channel has probably caused multiple extinction level events
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> #BlameTeward
[19:57] <arraybolt3> soooo, I attempted to switch to using SPICE to get my Lubuntu VM more "integrated" into my system (file sharing, clipboard sharing, that sort of stuff). Ended up not gaining any of those features AND lost dynamic resolution resizing.
[19:58] <arraybolt3> So guess what I just reverted :P
[20:31] <arraybolt3> Currently implementing IPv6 settings support in the new network editor.
 yeah so fyi the matterbridge defaults to utf-8 in this setup so, cant help much there.
 (so there may be odd transcriptions if a char isnt in utf8 spec)
[20:43] <arraybolt3> whew, backend ipv6 stuff done
[20:44] <arraybolt3> this weird modular thingy I'm doing is a bit like having a kernel and a userland :P there's an "engine" that talks to NM and then that engine talks to the UI, then the UI gives info back into the engine that it feeds into NM.
[21:31] <arraybolt3> Anyone else noticed this happen? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-panel/issues/1958
[21:31] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 1958 in lxqt/lxqt-panel "Application menu occasionally 'freaks out' while trying to search for a program" [Open]
[21:31] <arraybolt3> I've seen it so many times I filed an upstream report :P
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Meant to link to that when I posted it but then forgot
[21:46] <arraybolt3> ok so my new IPv6 support is crashy if you put the wrong values in (and I don't know what the right values are!), but the UI is there and stuff sort of works.


[08:16] <kraut> moin
[11:48] <Keybuk> [ 5002.504238] mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card
[11:48] <Keybuk> ... I'm not sure whether or not this counts as progress
[12:31] <Keybuk> interesting
[12:31] <Keybuk> one card gets into mmc_attach_sd () and fails with -84
[12:31] <Keybuk> the other card never gets that far
[12:32] <Keybuk> that gets EMEDIUM for a while, then ETIMEDOUT
[17:20] <sourcemaker> can I see the reason for the last kernel panic... is there a log avail?
[20:40] <imbrandon> hrm


[11:52] <Pricey> Howdy smartboyhw :)
[11:52] <smartboyhw> ...
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Er, guys, how to apply for a Ubuntu channel?
[11:53] <smartboyhw> #ubuntu-gnome in this case
[11:54] <Pricey> smartboyhw: The channel is there and can be used... I don't see much desire for it though. (There's just you in there)
[11:55] <smartboyhw> The problem is I can't be op
[11:55] <Pricey> I imagine the developers working on those packages already communicate elsewhere..
[11:56] <jussi> de ja vu?
[11:57] <smartboyhw> What is de ja vu?
[11:57] <jussi> (17:18 finnish time on monday...)
[11:57] <smartboyhw> ?
[11:57] <jussi> smartboyhw: its a break in the matrix...
[11:57] <smartboyhw> OK
[11:57] <smartboyhw> So could someone help me then?
[11:58] <Pici> Why do you need the channel?
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Well, jbicha is working on the Ubuntu GNOME remix, and I'm helping too
[11:58] <jussi> He was here the other day about this,...
[11:59] <Pici> oh?
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Then...
[11:59] <jussi> [17:18:07] <jbicha> how do I start a new #ubuntu channel for the Ubuntu GNOME remix?
[11:59] <jussi> [17:22:58] <DJones> jbicha: The guidelines for creating new Ubuntu channels are listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels
[12:00] <smartboyhw> But it is registered to freenode-staff
[12:00] <smartboyhw> So I think jbicha is having problems registering it
[12:00] <smartboyhw> Pricey, would you please help?
[12:01] <DJones> smartboyhw: Because the channel is in the #ubuntu* namespace, you would need to speak with the IRCC council as a starting point
[12:02] <Pricey> smartboyhw: If an Ubuntu Group Contact requests the channel, I can transfer ownership.
[12:02] <smartboyhw> So can any GC help me please???
[12:03] <Pricey> smartboyhw: be patient and hopefully one will get back to you. (They've seen your request)
[12:03] <smartboyhw> Sure. let's wait
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Er, any GC here?  Just a ping, don't worry:)
[12:37] <Pici> smartboyhw: I've contacted jbicha to see if he still wants the channel.
[12:37] <smartboyhw> OK
[12:37] <jussi> smartboyhw: just relax, I guarantee they have seen it, and ar probably talking abotu it... D:
[12:37] <smartboyhw> ;D
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Thanks Pici and jussi for your help:)
[12:52] <smartboyhw> jbicha: YAY
[13:30] <TheLordOfTime> !ubuntu-gnome
[13:30] <TheLordOfTime> oops
[13:31] <smartboyhw> TheLordOfTime: I just want to apply
[13:31] <TheLordOfTime> smartboyhw:  see #ubuntuforums
[13:59] <TLoT> okay, my irc client is screwing up
[13:59] <TLoT> ignore my last few edit suggestions
[13:59] <TLoT> seriously...?
[13:59] <TLoT> okay hold on
[13:59] <TLoT> something's wonky
[14:00] <TLoT> let me try that again...
[14:00] <TLoT> geez...
[14:00] <TLoT> i had to basically throw a raw IRC message to get that to send right
[14:00]  * TLoT debugs xchat
[14:01] <TLoT> how do i see the raw of a factoid?
[15:25] <tsimpson> TheLordOfTime: !+ http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Getting_raw_factoids
[15:25] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[15:36] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson:  thanks, forgot the symbol to find it :p
[15:38] <Pricey> !gnome
[15:39] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson:  does that work with the ubots as well, not just Ubottu?
[15:40] <tsimpson> it should work with any of the official bots that serve factoids (short answer "yes")
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> (long answer "in theory"?)
[15:41] <tsimpson> well I can say it does work with ubottu, ubot5, lubotu1, lubotu2, and lubotu3
[17:32] <bobweaver> Hello there is some strang things going on
[17:32] <bobweaver> safinaskar,  will you tell them what you just seen
[17:32] <bobweaver> or what you just told me
[17:33] <safinaskar> "Received unknown CTCP-1MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE- request by bobweaver!~bobweaver@ubuntu/member/bobweaver"
[17:33] <bobweaver> what is that all about ?
[17:33] <safinaskar> bobweaver: okey, okey. you didn't send my any cookie. so, this is just bug somewhere
[17:33] <safinaskar> bobweaver: so, all is ok. disregard all.
[17:33] <bobweaver> safinaskar,  I can tell you that I have not /msg you
[17:33] <bobweaver> but I want to get to the bottom of this
[17:34] <bobweaver> can anyone weigh in on this plz
[17:36] <IdleOne> bobweaver: possibly your irc client is running some script that is auto sending ctcp request, but if no one else has brought this to your attention it is unlikely.
[17:36] <bobweaver> IdleOne,  thanks
[17:36] <bobweaver> it is weired because I reported that bug today
[17:36] <IdleOne> what bug?
[17:36] <bobweaver> that has to do with .goutput $HOME folder crap
[17:37] <bobweaver> let me find it for you
[17:37] <Sidewinder1> A lot of folks in #freenode are complaining/mentioning 'frigg' sending CCTP version requests; I wonder if this is related?
[17:37] <bobweaver> !bug 984785
[17:37] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: it's not
[17:38] <bobweaver> that is the same output as  what he is getting
[17:38] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: frigg is our service bot that does 1 up to 2 ctcp version requests on connect
[17:38] <Sidewinder1> Fuchs, OK, thanks.
[17:38] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: it doesn't affect (hopefully) what clients send as ctcp requests (else that client should be burnt)
[17:38] <Sidewinder1> I was just wondering and you've corrected my mistake; thanx. :-)
[17:38] <bobweaver> meaning that under my HOME folder there is files in inside the files there are the txt that says the same thing that safinaskar  was saying that he recived
[17:39] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: you're welcome :)
[17:39] <bobweaver> like if I do    cat ~/.goutputstream-SPDAJW
[17:40] <bobweaver> I get this joseph@joseph:~$ cat .goutputstream-SPDAJW
[17:40] <bobweaver> that is the same thing that safinaskar  is saying that he is reciving
[17:40] <bobweaver> then when I just paste that I see this in my client
[17:40] <bobweaver> * #ubuntu-irc :Cannot send to channel
[17:42] <bobweaver> am I being used as a bot do you all think ?
[17:42] <bobweaver> like a bouncer bot ?
[17:42] <bobweaver> I am new to all that
[17:42] <IdleOne> what irc client are you using and have you recently installed and scripts/plugins for it?
[17:42] <Fuchs> bobweaver: I just tuned in, so I didn't get the whole backlog. What client are you using?
[17:42] <bobweaver> Not that I know of
[17:42] <bobweaver> it is xchat
[17:43] <Fuchs> you installed it via the ubuntu package management, I assume?
[17:43] <bobweaver> yes
[17:43] <bobweaver> only thing I have as far as I know is autologin
[17:43] <bobweaver>  /msg nickserv identify <my pass>
[17:44] <bobweaver> that is the only thing that I think that I am running on start up
[17:44] <Fuchs> you shouldn't do that
[17:44] <Fuchs> see http://freenode.net/sasl/
[17:44] <Fuchs> for a way better method
[17:45] <Fuchs> can you put that file you have there in a pastebin?  (maybe check whether it contains any private information first)
[17:45] <bobweaver> which file ?
[17:45] <bobweaver> sorry
[17:45] <Fuchs> .goutputstream-SPDAJW << that thing
[17:46] <bobweaver> the .goutput-* one ?
[17:46] <Fuchs> yes
[17:46] <bobweaver> yeah there is like 20 of them
[17:46] <bobweaver> under my home folder hidden
[17:46] <bobweaver> but I will def do that brb
[17:47] <bobweaver> Fuchs,  this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1186219/
[17:47] <bobweaver> I did not alter it at all
[17:48] <Fuchs> that looks like a XAuthority magic cookie
[17:48] <Fuchs> which itself is fine and something you need, but that filename is a tad bit odd
[17:48] <Fuchs> how do you launch xchat?
[17:49] <bobweaver> from unity
[17:49] <bobweaver> here is all the files that are under my home dir
[17:49] <bobweaver> ls -al | grep .gout
[17:49] <bobweaver> oops
[17:49] <Fuchs> (don't post that in here, just in advance)
[17:49] <bobweaver> cool
[17:49] <bobweaver> pastebinit ?
[17:50] <bobweaver> it is just a list of the .goutput files
[17:51] <bobweaver> I just dont want people to think that I am trying to send them "Magic-cookies"  which I though like you said are for xorg
[17:51] <Fuchs> hrm, no
[17:52] <Fuchs> it appears that these things are unrelated to xchat, and not really an IRC issue, so that is more something for #ubuntu
[17:52] <Fuchs> on the other hand, your Xchat sending out CTCP requests, is a tad bit strange. But if it only happened once so far, I would not care too much
[17:52] <bobweaver> but why is dude getting messages from me ?
 "Received unknown CTCP-1MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE- request by bobweaver!~bobweaver@ubuntu/member/bobweaver"
[17:53] <bobweaver> he got that message a couple of times from me
[17:53] <Fuchs> yes, that is a tad bit strange. Have you received similar reports?
[17:53] <bobweaver> an I dont even know that dude
[17:53] <safinaskar> bobweaver: no, no. just one time
[17:53] <bobweaver> safinaskar,  thanks
[17:53] <bobweaver> sorry about that
[17:54] <Fuchs> bobweaver: then I wouldn't worry too much about it,
[17:54] <bobweaver> safinaskar,  1st I would like to say thanks for showing up here . 2) thanks for telling me that this is going on
[17:54] <bobweaver> Fuchs,  ok
[17:54] <Fuchs> I assume you tried to paste the content of that file, and due to some characters in there it somehow ended up as a ctcp
[17:54] <bobweaver> yes
[17:54] <bobweaver> I did
[17:54] <Fuchs> then probably this
[17:54] <bobweaver> on #ubuntu today
[17:54] <Fuchs> it contains a lot of non-printable / control characters
[17:55] <safinaskar> bobweaver: you are welcome
[17:55] <Fuchs> so maybe your xchat got a tad bit confused
[17:55] <Fuchs> maybe just use a pastebin for now to show it to others
[17:55] <bobweaver> Fuchs,  that makes some sense
[17:55] <bobweaver> Thanks I will consider this solved for now but if I have anymore issues I will come here asap
[17:56] <Fuchs> okay
[17:56] <bobweaver> Fuchs,  IdleOne  safinaskar  I can not thanks you enough
[17:56] <bobweaver> I will now leave the channel to keep it openm
[17:56] <bobweaver> open *


[22:27] <zaweeis> hey
[22:33] <holstein> o/
[22:34] <zaweeis> how are you holstein
[22:41] <holstein> zaweeis: im good a little busy
[22:41] <holstein> welcome to the channel
[22:42] <zaweeis> thanks thanks
[22:42] <zaweeis> where are you out of?
[22:48] <holstein> asheville
[22:53] <holstein> zaweeis: are you near asheville?
[23:18] <zaweeis> ye
[23:18] <zaweeis> in asheville
[23:23] <holstein> http://www.wnclug.info/


[06:04] <hikiko> hi
[07:31] <Sweet5hark> good morning, desktoppers!
[08:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:32] <hikiko> gppd morning seb128 :)
[08:32] <hikiko> good morning* :p
[08:33] <seb128> hey hikiko, how are you?
[08:33] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:34] <hikiko> it was fine, how about you?
[08:36] <hikiko> Trevinho, here? :)
[08:37] <seb128> It was good, thanks
[08:38] <seb128> Trevinho, it's a bit earlir for him no? ;-)
[08:40] <hikiko> haha
[08:40] <hikiko> true :)
[08:40] <hikiko> I was just checking!
[08:41] <hikiko> (hopes.. :D)
[08:42] <hikiko> seb128, are you able to reproduce the black dots bug in nautilus?
[08:42] <hikiko> https://imgur.com/a/nmzZU here's what I see in my case, but I have reproduced the problem in the past
[08:42] <seb128> hikiko, I don't know what bug you are talking about sorry
[08:42] <hikiko> seb128, when you start nautilus or another gtk program
[08:43] <hikiko> that has alpha
[08:43] <hikiko> around the window
[08:43] <hikiko> you see some black dots or a black frame depending on the decoration
[08:43] <hikiko> around it
[08:43] <hikiko> like alpha is not working
[08:43] <hikiko> I could reproduce that a week ago but now I can't
[08:46] <hikiko> seb128, I reproduced it with gthumb, we might just changed the nautilus settings :)
[08:46] <seb128> hikiko, nautilus in xenial has been reverted to a version that doesn't use CSD decorations
[08:46] <seb128> so maybe that's it
[08:47] <hikiko> yes that's it for sure :)
[08:47] <hikiko> thanks :)
[08:50] <seb128> yw
[08:52] <Sweet5hark> good morning seb128, hikko!
[08:52] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark! how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:52]  * Sweet5hark started off the week by filing two snapcraft bugs ;)
[08:52] <seb128> hehe
[08:54] <Sweet5hark> seb128: w.e. was okish -- help my brother to move to a new home all Saturday long. Was regenerating from back, arm and leg pain on Sunday ;)
[08:54] <seb128> some excercice is nice ;-)
[08:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/libreoffice_5.1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/libreoffice-l10n_5.1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes have enough fixes for an new upload IMHO. Two changes in there might be debatable as needing a FFE (or needing to be removed).
[08:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, the "add google drive bits" one?
[08:58] <seb128> we were on the rc for that serie, let's not argue about the update to stable ;-)
[08:58] <seb128> I'm going to sponsor that
[08:59] <Sweet5hark> Oh, hang on, that is still missing the bug id -- I thought I uploaded with that fixed in the changelog.
[09:02] <seb128> Sweet5hark, so you want to update with a changelog bug reference? let me know when you get the new version ready
[09:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: aye
[09:04] <Laney> hello
[09:04] <Laney> what's up!
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney! happy monday
[09:05] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:10] <Laney> very good thanks - rosie's parents were up and we went to a beer festival on saturday
[09:10] <Laney> some walking yesterday
[09:10] <Laney> then friends for dinner in the evening
[09:10] <Laney> what about you?
[09:12] <seb128> w.e was good, though I've a cold again, that's starting being annoying
[09:12] <seb128> we went to see movies on saturday&sunday evening, that was nice
[09:12] <seb128> and had friends for lunch in sunday
[09:12] <Laney> good films?
[09:12] <seb128> yeah
[09:13] <seb128> "spotlight" & "hail, caesar!"
[09:13] <seb128> I recommend them
[09:14] <seb128> well, the second one is from the Coen brothers, if you don't like their previous movies/style maybe not
[09:14] <seb128> but we enjoyed it :-)
[09:17] <Laney> oh yeah, I've only seen a couple of their films but they were good
[09:17] <Laney> think fargo was by them
[09:17] <ogra_> yep
[09:17] <seb128> indeed
[09:17] <ogra_> o brother where are thou' as well iirc
[09:17]  * Laney is bad at having seen films
[09:19]  * ogra_ shakes his head about linuxmint ... oh my ...
[09:20] <seb128> what did they do?
[09:21] <ogra_> they ran their whole website on an outdated wordpress install it seems ... got hacked and someone changed the download link to his own server witrh modified iso (with IRCbot preinstalled)
[09:21] <seb128> urg
[09:21] <ogra_> since theyx only offer an unsigned md5sum file next tro the isos people only noticed it after a day
[09:21] <ogra_> seems additzionally these guys downloaded their whole password db and the forum content too
[09:23] <seb128> their approach to security seems a bit naive
[09:23] <ogra_> haha, you're so diplomatic :)
[09:24] <pitti> hey ogra_, seb128, Laney! happy spring day!
[09:24] <ogra_> oooh !
[09:24]  * seb128 looks outside
[09:24] <seb128> grey&rainy
[09:24] <seb128> lie!
[09:24] <ogra_> *that* is why the birds are singing so loud !
[09:24] <seb128> hey pitti ;-)
[09:25] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, it was quite a nuisance this morning indeed :)
[09:55] <seb128> happyaron, could you have a look to bug #1547826? do we build ibus without indicator support?  since when?
[10:06] <seb128> did we stop autosyncs yet?
[10:07] <seb128> oh, gst 1.7 is in experimental
[10:07] <seb128> Laney, I guess those are on your list?
[10:12] <pitti> seb128: we are in FF, so I hope we did
[10:13] <seb128> right
[10:13]  * pitti asks in #u-devel
[10:26] <seb128> pitti, the new upower seems to have an issue, bug #1547793 and ubiquity tops daily e.u.c on xenial with upower errors
[10:26] <seb128> there was a new version of thursday, maybe a regression?
[10:27] <seb128> oh, not a trivial update, port to gdbus
[10:36] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/libreoffice-l10n_5.1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/libreoffice_5.1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes -- now with the right bug id for the google stuff ...
[10:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: adding to TODO list, thanks
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, yw, sorry I more pinging to know if you knew about some issue with the update than to dump work on you, I'm going to try to have a look after lunch
[10:38] <seb128> but e.u.c doesn't have reports for upower itself and the ubiquity out just fail to use the dbus service but have no useful info/journal/log
[11:01] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[11:01] <Trevinho> seb128: do you want me to open a lp bug to get https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk%2B/commit/?id=1dda932 backported? tjaalton would need that to migrate to new xserver...
[11:05] <Trevinho> whatever... it's at https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1548272
[11:11] <desrt> good morning!
[11:41] <tjaalton> Trevinho, seb128: the followup patch is probably desired as well
[11:41] <Trevinho> tjaalton: it has to
[11:42] <tjaalton> leak fixes and cleanups
[11:43] <andyrock> morning
[12:28] <doko> Sweet5hark, ping about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1487148
[12:29] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, I already uploaded that fix this morning
[12:29] <seb128> hey tjaalton andyrock
[12:33] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, cool.. You're faster than me checking the changelog :-D
[12:33] <seb128> lol
[12:34] <seb128> we are just on slightly shifted work timezones :p
[12:35] <Trevinho> seb128: however we'd also need https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/1548272/comments/1 :/
[12:35] <Trevinho> seb128: ahaha, yeah, sort of :-D
[12:35] <Trevinho> There are also north/south timezones nowadays
[12:35] <seb128> Trevinho, how big is the leak? also can you ask mclasen to commit those to 3-18?
[12:36] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[12:36] <seb128> thanks
[12:37] <Trevinho> seb128: well, not that big... But you know.... Leaks aren't nice.
[12:37] <Trevinho> it's one time per instance, but still..
[12:37] <seb128> Trevinho, right, I'm not saying we are going to not fix it, just wondering if we should block the update or if we can do a follow up in some hours
[12:38] <seb128> looks like we can let it there for a few hours it's not the end of the world
[12:38] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, no... Nothing to be worried to block the update
[12:38] <Trevinho> yeah, indeed
[12:40] <tjaalton> the blocker is now elsewhere
[12:42] <Laney> seb128: yes, of course, I already talked to slomo about it, done now :-)
[12:42]  * Laney wasn't looking at irc
[12:42] <seb128> Laney, I saw your gstreamer sync earlier and took that as a reply :p
[12:43] <Laney> had to deal with the unforwarded touch patches again
[12:43] <Laney> "good" "times"
[12:46] <seb128> :-/
[12:48] <Sweet5hark> doko: Hm? ubuntu desktop bugs is subscribed to fonts-stix? what is missing? the metadiscussion on the bug about how and what to subscribe is a bit openended and vague to me ...
[12:48] <doko> Sweet5hark, ohh, I see. nobody updated the issue
[12:52] <Sweet5hark> doko: np, thanks for watching out.
[13:06] <seb128> hum, glib migration seems blocked by some strongswan issue :-/
[13:06] <seb128> which is blocking the gtk update
[13:09] <hikiko> is willcooke off today?
[13:10] <Sweet5hark> hikiko: MWC IIRC
[13:15] <Sweet5hark> so what the branch to pull from to suggest a change to ubuntu-seeds/xenial? all I find is outdated references and a naive lp:ubuntu/xenial/ubuntu-meta has no luck finding a branch ...
[13:18] <Laney> not sure about strongswan
[13:18] <Laney> it works here
[13:23] <seb128> Laney, should we just retry?
[13:24] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement#Changing_the_Seeds
[13:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thx
[13:33] <Sweet5hark> woa, snappy crashes right away when run on xenial (in a VM)
[13:35] <Sweet5hark> urgh, thats not the snappy im looking for.
[13:35] <ogra_> Sweet5hark, using mvo's all-snaps image ?
[13:35] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/all-snaps/
[13:36] <ogra_> (soon to be the default)
[13:36] <Laney> seb128: I did already
[13:36] <ogra_> Sweet5hark, thats how i run it "kvm -m 512 -redir :8022::22 ./amd64-all-snap.img"
[13:37] <Laney> but my local thing didn't get glib from proposed
[13:37] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: where do I get a good 16.04 ubuntu core image for vagrant?
[13:37] <Laney> hmmmmmm
[13:37] <ogra_> Sweet5hark, no idea, never used vagrant ... i think you can convert the amd64 one somehow
[13:38] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: urgh
[13:38] <ogra_> in any case you should use the all--snaps image ... all others will be dropped before release
[13:53] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: hmm, so how do I deploy a snap to classic .deb-based Desktop? Or isnt that production-ready yet?
[13:54] <Laney> bah
[13:54]  * Laney runs this strongswan test on real scalingstack
[13:54] <Laney> also without new glib to check it is this
[13:59] <ogra_> Sweet5hark, ask the desktop guys ... nothing i worked on ... i can tell you how to enable the classic dimension on the snappy image to use debs though :)
[14:00] <ogra_> (sudo snappy enable-classic; snappy shell classic; sudo apt-get install snapcraft ... )
[14:02] <Laney> failed with the old glib too
[14:02] <Laney> wwwwwwwhat is this
[14:02] <seb128> :-/
[14:12] <Laney> oh COME ON!
[14:12] <abeato_> mdeslaur, hey, I have a patch for ntp package to fix lp #1526264 (see comment #2), mind taking a look?
[14:14] <mdeslaur> abeato_: I don't know anything about ntp, perhaps someone in foundations can take a look?
[14:14] <abeato_> mdeslaur, please suggest somebody :)
[14:16] <mdeslaur> abeato_: ask slangasek in #ubuntu-devel to assign someone to look at it
[14:16] <abeato_> mdeslaur, I'll do, thanks
[14:16] <seb128> you can also subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[14:16] <seb128> that never hurts
[14:17] <abeato_> ack
[14:37] <seb128> is changing a library soname (poppler) considered as a feature/needs an exception by the simple fact that the soname changes and transitions are work?
[14:38] <seb128> there are no real changes in poppler itself than can qualify as new features, but they don't give stability for their private lib and tend to bump sonames
[14:41] <xnox> i think that's fine, as long as the diff is obvious. And it's not like 100k lines lets add new stuff.
[14:59] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, do you have any idea when https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/gs-integration/+merge/286653 should be ready to land? the current xenial iso don't have s-c anymore so unity is buggy/the launcher has no icon for the new software store, would be nice to fix that before beta1 this week
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, also https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/format-option/+merge/283741 ... we are in ff now, is that still wanted for this cycle?
[15:02] <seb128> and https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/unity-sn/+merge/283322
[15:15] <doko> seb128, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/3.12.0-1ubuntu3  stuck in -proposed. why not provide the -full version?
[15:15] <doko> trying: gnome-icon-theme
[15:15] <doko> skipped: gnome-icon-theme (50 <- 1)
[15:15] <doko>     got: 158+0: a-50:a-18:a-17:i-16:p-19:p-19:s-19
[15:15] <doko>     * amd64: gnome-brave-icon-theme, gnome-colors, gnome-colors-common, gnome-dust-icon-theme, gnome-human-icon-theme, gnome-illustrious-icon-theme, gnome-noble-icon-theme, gnome-wine-icon-theme, gnome-wise-icon-theme, pyhoca-gui, shiki-brave-theme, shiki-colors, shiki-dust-theme, shiki-human-theme, shiki-illustrious-theme, shiki-noble-theme, shiki-wine-theme, shiki-wise-theme
[15:15] <seb128> doko, we do provide it
[15:15] <doko> hmm, but why is it stuck?
[15:16] <seb128> likely something having a versioned depends
[15:16] <seb128> provides are not versioned
[15:16] <doko> I thought they are now ...
[15:17] <seb128> I don't know about that
[15:17] <doko> ahh, just gnome-colors, fixing
[15:18] <seb128> thanks
[15:18] <seb128> but versioned provides would be interesting still :-)
[15:19] <doko> they are in dpkg at least
[16:28] <davmor2> seb128: query on 16.04 should the new gnome software have an icon in the launcher by default like software center did or not?
[16:28] <seb128> davmor2, cf backlog from like an hour ago
[16:29] <seb128> davmor2, summary, it should once Trevinho & andyrock land their work which is pending review
[16:29] <davmor2> seb128: ah awesome thanks
[16:29] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, did you see my ping earlier? (sorry my laptop froze a few times)
[16:52] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, sorry... I had a crash and forgot to reopen IRC:..
[16:52] <Trevinho> seb128: so, format-option yeah... I'd love to get that still
[16:53] <Trevinho> seb128: as for the sc icon, I think andyrock can change the default settings as well
[16:56] <seb128> Trevinho, what about landing those? ;-)
[16:57] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, sure... I was about to review them, but as for the format-option I was wating for a fix...
[16:58] <seb128> Trevinho, that's more a nice to have, the gnome-software one is the one we need
[16:58] <Trevinho> ok
[17:50] <qengho> cking: I'm testing that zfs-initramfs solution to grub mal-search. I don't get any symlinks in /dev/ yet. I'm starting to debug udev. It's in X's v<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2, yesno?
[17:51] <cking> qengho, there should be a 0uuntu3 fairly soon, but 0ubuntu2 will do for now for debugging, minor difference
[17:51] <qengho> Hrm.
[18:00] <qengho> cking: found my problem. Not your problem.
[18:13] <cking> qengho, ok, cool
[18:14] <Laney> night night
[18:17] <seb128> night Laney
[18:17] <seb128> today was a quiet day on this channel
[18:18]  * seb128 spent the afternoon fighting with dlneyna &gnome stack
[18:18] <seb128> still not working, frustrating
[18:36] <qengho> cking: using the partition type id isn't very good. I suggested a rule that uses the data itself, instead of the container's label.
[18:37] <qengho> cking: tested here. Works.
[18:38] <cking> qengho, remind me which bug this is, I see so many per week I can't recall the context
[18:38] <qengho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-initramfs/+bug/1530953
[18:42]  * cking stares at the udev rule
[18:48] <cking> qengho, can you add a debdiff to the bug report, I'll build it and I'd like to get some some on this one to shake out any bugs on this as I don't want to keep doing more upload iterations on this if at all possible
[18:48] <cking> s/some some/some testing/
[18:50] <qengho> cking: woot. That works even for MBR partitioning. Verified. Now to try whole-disk.
[19:29] <Trevinho> seb128: maybe we should also add a migration script for those who had the u-s-c desktop file in setttings...
[19:29] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, that's a good idea, but let's do that after beta1, we don't want to delay that landing longer
[20:07] <sethj> hey Trevinho, so I noticed a while back you fixed that Unity bug! In the end I did not have the time to dig deep enough to fix the underlying issue.. What did you end up doing?
[20:19] <Trevinho> sethj: hey
[20:19] <Trevinho> sethj: which unity bug?
[20:19] <sethj> Trevinho, oops. the empty trash one.
[20:20] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: hey, could you fix that gee unity branch so I can prepare a landing?
[20:20] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, I just fixed it a few minutes ago
[20:20] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, oh, I missed a bit
[20:21] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: oh, sorry I didn't check before asking then :)
[20:21] <Trevinho> thanks
[20:21] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, np
[20:22] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: oh, sorry I didn't check before asking then :)
[20:22] <Trevinho> thanks
[20:24] <attente> robert_ancell: hey, i just realized i forgot to save the u1 credentials in the gnome-software u1 dialog if the user checks "remember me"...
[20:24] <robert_ancell> attente, oops...
[20:24] <attente> is there a place we could store that?
[20:25] <robert_ancell> attente, libsecret?
[20:26] <attente> ah, sounds good
[20:37] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: could you also approve this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/migrate-to-sc-favorite/+merge/286839 ?
[20:39] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, I'll review, but I'm not in the Unity team afaik
[20:39] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: well, a review is enough then :)
[20:40] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, uh, "favorites = [i.replace('ubuntu-software-center', 'org.gnome.Software') if 'ubuntu-software-center.desktop' in i else i for i in favorites]"
[20:40]  * robert_ancell struggles to decipher...
[20:40] <Trevinho> I wanted to be oneliner :-D
[20:42] <qengho> Okay, so for i in favorites, then a ternary. Phew.
[20:50] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: I've added more lines...
[20:53] <Trevinho> ralsina: thanks


[04:35] <somerville32> Is there an "SRU" policy for documentation?
[04:51] <nixternal> somerville32: no there isn't. documentation bugs are not high-impact
[04:51] <somerville32> Would the SRU team still approve requests?
[04:51] <nixternal> requests for documentation no
[04:52] <nixternal> due to all of the translation stuff as well
[04:52] <somerville32> Oh yeah
[04:52] <somerville32> It is just that the Xubuntu welcome page in Firefox has the wrong version.
[04:53] <nixternal> does it still display Dapper?
[04:55] <somerville32> Yup.
[04:56] <nixternal> ya, everyone was told about it prior to string freezes as well...i know edubuntu got theirs fixed in time
[04:57] <somerville32> :[
[11:23] <mdke> nixternal: that's not right - if you see somerville32 again, let him know that SRU requests relating to documentation are dealt with in the same way as for other applications
[11:23] <mdke> documentation bugs can be high impact
[04:13] <nixternal> mdke: they are high impact if they tell someone to do something to their system, a wrong version isn't high impact
[06:22] <abattoir> hello, does someone know whom i should contact/where i should go when i'm unable to log into the wiki?
[06:23] <abattoir> the same id/password works for launchpad
[08:11] <mdke> nixternal: right, so there are bugs in documentation that can quality for a sru in the usual way.
[08:11] <mdke> abattoir: likely to be a browser cache problem. Try clearing your saved passwords/cache for that page
[08:12] <mdke> nixternal: s/quality/qualify
[10:49] <nixternal> gotcha mdke, i should have clarified it better


[02:54] <sethj> I'll give it a shot, but my writing isn't the best xD
[02:55] <pleia2> thanks sethj :)
[02:56] <pleia2> sethj: if you write any, be sure to add your name to the end of the doc under Credits
[02:56] <pleia2> er, Contributors
[02:57] <pleia2> I'm going to get some rest, will check + finish in the east coast AM
[02:57] <sethj> ok! sleep well, bed bugs, and all that :)
[02:58] <pleia2> haha, thanks :)
[14:41] <pleia2> moving articles over to the wiki
[14:41] <pleia2> if anyone is around to help with the remaining ones, I'd appreciate it :)
[15:23] <pleia2> great summaries this week, nice work everyone :)
[15:35] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue467