[01:00] <robert_ancell> desrt, still around?
[04:21] <pitti> Laney: I tried yesterday's desktop-next image which seb128 promised me to work, and it still doesn't -- still the same "no autologin" bug
[06:31] <larsu> good morning!
[06:38] <pitti> hello larsu ^5s
[06:59] <didrocks> hey larsu ;)
[07:28] <larsu> didrocks: bonjour!
[07:28]  * larsu is sitting in the sun \o/
[07:28] <robert_ancell> larsu, nice!
[07:30] <larsu> hi robert_ancell!
[07:31]  * didrocks relocates in the balcony, like yesterday :)
[07:40] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, is unity8 session broken in utopic? It's crashing on login for me (left with blank screen)
[07:41] <robert_ancell> (and are you and Andrea maintaining this in this timezone?)
[08:05] <Laney> hey
[08:05] <Laney> pitti: grump, well I'll look today
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:07] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: so, false promises!
[08:08]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:12] <didrocks> promise was that we won't hear about football ever ever again? :)
[08:12] <pitti> didrocks: RESOLVED/WONTFIX
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: actually, that yesterday's ubuntu-next image would actually boot :_
[08:13] <pitti> :)
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, some people will almost set that to INVALID anyway :)
[08:13] <didrocks> ahah
[08:13] <didrocks> or rather "OPINION" :)
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: or in LP terms, "Opinion" :)
[08:13] <didrocks> :p
[08:13]  * pitti te donne une accolade
[08:14] <pitti> didrocks: tu dois attendre avec juli 17 et pas parler avec des autres gens :)
[08:14]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: exactement, on va s'enfermer dans une cave !
[08:15] <pitti> ah ah
[08:15] <pitti> ^ note that I used the French chuckling :)
[08:15] <didrocks> \o/
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: est-ce que julie aime le football ?
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: non plus, donc elle est plutôt ravie que je n'aime pas :)
[08:18]  * pitti invokes google translate for that
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, right, saw that, I was just reading his summary email
[08:26] <Laney> can't switch to a vt
[08:26] <Laney> BAH!
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, I think the user metrics thing has a bug since the revert
[08:26] <Laney> time isn't updating
[08:26] <seb128> switch to vt wfm
[08:26] <seb128> k
[08:26] <Laney> I think it's probably crashed
[08:26] <seb128> so maybe it's blocked
[08:26] <seb128> pitti, what's your issue with the iso?
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: still the same -- it boots to lightdm, then I don't know which user/password to log in as
[08:26] <seb128> pitti, is that on real hardware?
[08:26] <seb128> oh, a robert_ancell
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: yes, on my X230
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, :-(
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: same machine I tried it on on Malta
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, can you share /var/log/lightdm?
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, what issue did you download? yesterday's one?
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: hang on (sitting in a train)
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: yes, yesterday's
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, ubuntu-desktop-next/ubuntu is login/password
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: I can put the image on an USB stick (didn't bring the one from yesterday) and boot it
[08:28] <Laney> gives me a unity8 lock screen
[08:28] <pitti> ah, thanks
[08:28] <Laney> I do not know why this would only work for some people
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, but if autologin fails it's likely Mir being unhappy so it's not going to help you
[08:28] <Laney> although the syslinux screen thing doesn't show up
[08:28] <seb128> right, that's an issue since syslinux 6 landed
[08:28] <Laney> but if I boot it in uefi mode I get to choose install/boot anyway
[08:28] <seb128> Colin said he would have a look
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: ah, you  figure it has tried to start the session, but failed?
[08:28] <seb128> if you hit enter on the empty screen it boots
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, yes
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: on Malta this apparently was a real issue, that Laney fixed, wasn't it?
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, that's what I was having under virtualbox first, before I tried on real hardware
[08:29] <Laney> autologin wouldn't work before
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, right, it was not autologin in until yesterday
[08:29] <seb128> but that is fixed
[08:29] <Laney> but I think it does the same thing if the actual login fails
[08:29] <Laney> i.e. takes you back to lightdm
[08:29] <seb128> the thing is that failed session start gives you a similar experience
[08:29] <seb128> it bounces you back to the greeter
[08:29] <seb128> Laney, ;-)
[08:30] <Laney> could probably show a message in this case though
[08:30] <Laney> failed autologin
[08:30] <seb128> Laney, is that on your nvidia box?
[08:30] <Laney> the crash?
[08:30] <Laney> yes
[08:30] <seb128> k, maybe Mir doesn't like nvidia or something
[08:30] <robert_ancell_> Is this unity 8 session?
[08:31] <seb128> Laney, well, autologin doesn't fail, technically it starts the session, session fails to start and exit ... so from a lightdm perspective it's not different from a log-in and log-out cycle
[08:31] <seb128> robert_ancell_, yes
[08:31] <seb128> robert_ancell_, desktop-next iso
[08:31] <robert_ancell_> It's crashing for me in utopic, but the upstart never returns so lightdm thinks it's running fine
[08:31] <seb128> robert_ancell_, hey btw, how are you? ;-)
[08:31] <robert_ancell_> I haven't tried that iso yet
[08:32] <Laney> seb128: doesn't it exit with a bad code?
[08:32] <seb128> robert_ancell_, the iso from yesterday (should still be current) is working for me on the inspiron 11, I even did a successful install
[08:32] <seb128> Laney, I don't think lightdm watches for exit codes and display an error when the session exit with one
[08:32] <robert_ancell_> It's bugged me for a long time that lightdm doesn't really know anything about the session. I wonder if there is a better interface that just monitoring the session process for exit
[08:32] <seb128> robert_ancell_, what is crashing/do you have a log/bt?
[08:32] <Laney> I'm suggesting maybe it could ;-)
[08:32] <robert_ancell_> seb128, good, how are you
[08:33] <seb128> Laney, right
[08:33] <seb128> robert_ancell_, I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:33] <Laney> robert_ancell_: up late?
[08:33] <pitti> ok, trying to boot it again, collecting logs
[08:43] <pitti> Laney, seb128: back, I now have the entire /var/log
[08:43] <pitti> Laney, seb128: so, I see text-mode plymouth (usually I have graphical dots), then immediately lightdm
[08:43] <pitti> but the logs do show a failed session
[08:43] <seb128> - other ideas
[08:43] <pitti> to be sure, I changed the password of u-d-n to "a" and tried to log in manually, then I got a blue error "session startup failed" in lightdm greeter
[08:44] <seb128> 3 would be best, but I doubt the unity team is going to work on that
[08:44] <pitti> lightdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657351/
[08:44] <pitti> x-0-greeter.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657352/
[08:45] <robert_ancell> pitti, is that the correct log? It looks like a fresh boot log
[08:45] <pitti> x-0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657353/
[08:45] <seb128> pitti, do you have unity-system-compositor.log ?
[08:45] <pitti> robert_ancell: yes, it's fresh from booting the ubuntu-desktop-next CD
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: not in /var/log/
[08:45] <seb128> weird
[08:45] <pitti> I do have X.org logs apparently, though :) is that for lightdm itself?
[08:46] <seb128> yes
[08:46] <pitti> anyway, x-0-greeter.log shows a scary number of errors
[08:46] <seb128> ok, weird
[08:46] <pitti> the missing backgroud is probably ok
[08:46] <pitti> (nm-applet:2031): libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy
[08:46] <pitti> that probably also survived
[08:46] <seb128> for me in the VM case I had a unity-system-compositor.log with egl errors
[08:47] <seb128> the missing background is because the image is not seeded on the iso
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: welll, this is not VM, it's real errors
[08:47] <pitti> err, real iron
[08:47] <seb128> right
[08:47] <robert_ancell_> grr, network disconnects
[08:47] <seb128> robert_ancellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/7657360/
[08:47] <seb128> ups
[08:47] <pitti> seb128, Laney: so does yesterday's ISO actually work for you?
[08:47] <seb128> robert_ancell_, ^
[08:47] <robert_ancell_> seb128, ta
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, yes, for some definition of "work"
[08:47] <pitti> I wonder if any of these "no such service" etc. are breaking it, or if it's a graphics card/Mir problem
[08:48] <seb128> on my inspiron 11, it boots fine in unity8, showing the tablet lock screen, I just need to click on the "phablet" button to unlock
[08:48] <seb128> installs works fine as well
[08:48] <seb128> in VM I've something similar to what you describe
[08:48] <pitti> oh, so x-0-greeter.log is for the greeter's own session, not from starting the user session?
[08:48] <seb128> Laney has it booting to the phablet lock but hanging there
[08:48] <seb128> pitti, correct
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, user session would be ~/.cache/upstart
[08:49] <pitti> so where does it show the attempted start of the u-d-n session?
[08:49] <seb128> in the ubuntu-desktop-next userdir
[08:49] <robert_ancell_> pitti, do you have x-0.log?
[08:49] <seb128> robert_ancell_, <pitti> x-0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657353/
[08:49] <robert_ancell_> sorry, I see the link now
[08:49] <pitti> robert_ancell_: yes, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657353/
[08:49] <Laney> default-session=ubuntu
[08:50] <Laney> shouldn't that be unity8-mir?
[08:50] <Laney> or is this something else?
[08:50] <pitti> robert_ancell_: but I thought this would also just be for the greeter itself?
[08:50] <seb128> Laney, [+0.17s] DEBUG: Loaded session /usr/share/xsessions/unity8-mir.desktop (Unity8-Mir, )
[08:50] <pitti> I see no trace at all for the attempted lightdm startup of the "actual" session
[08:50] <Laney> seb128: yeah that means it's installed
[08:50] <pitti> yes, but merely loading the .desktop file doesn't mean much
[08:50] <Laney> but I'd expect it to be the default too?
[08:51] <Laney> can you look at your /var/log/lightdm/?
[08:51] <robert_ancell_> pitti, this is autologin?
[08:51] <Laney> see if you have the same things
[08:51] <seb128> oh, right
[08:51] <pitti> robert_ancell_: yes; as I said, this is a clean live session boot of yesterday's utopic-desktop-next-amd64.iso
[08:52] <pitti> robert_ancell_: It could be that autologin is still broken, of course; but manual login said "failed to start session"
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, do you have a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf?
[08:52] <robert_ancell_> pitti, because the lightdm log indicates this is not an autologin, it has started a greeter and prompted you for something (probably the password) and not got a reponse
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: yes, it did have that
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, what is in there?
[08:52] <seb128> pitti, dpkg -l | grep unity8-desktop-session
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: I don't know any more, I didn't save it; but presumably the same you have?
[08:53] <pitti> seb128: I'm afraid I can't boot back and forth multiple times now, I need my battery (this is just an IC without power plugs, no ICE :/)
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, well, it looks like you don't have Laney's changes that landed this w.e
[08:53] <seb128> pitti, are you sure you got the correct iso?
[08:53]  * robert_ancell_ thinks I should make a lightdm --dump-config that combines all the config files into stdout for easy checking for configuration errors
[08:53] <Laney> seb128: that's why I'm asking you to check that default-session in your logs
[08:53] <Laney> should confirm that theory
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, it's unity8-mir for me
[08:54]  * Laney nod
[08:54] <seb128> pitti, what's the md5 of your iso?
[08:54] <pitti> seb128: oh, erk -- indeed
[08:54] <Laney> because this is just what those changes were trying to fix
[08:54] <pitti> I did dowlnoad the new image yesterday, but apparently it got sent to Nirvana :/
[08:54] <pitti> thanks firefox
[08:54] <Laney> zsync time!
[08:55] <pitti> seb128, Laney: argh, sorry for the noise then; will re-download this afternoon when I'm back with bandwidth
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, no worry
[08:56] <seb128> robert_ancell_, in the "trying to boot that iso in a VM" case things are weird
[08:56] <Laney> someone said that vmware was supposed to work
[08:57] <seb128> robert_ancell_, like there is no actual session log, and you get back to the greeter, it seems like it's unity-system-compositor that fails but it's not really communicated properly anywhere in the logs
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, I tried virtualbox only
[08:57] <Laney> yeah, just saying
[08:57]  * seb128 tries to download vmware just to see
[08:57] <robert_ancell_> seb128, u-s-c is still running but the u-s-c log doesn't show anything?
[08:57] <Laney> I think it was some mir guys at the sprint maybe
[08:58] <robert_ancell_> I also believe vmware was working at some point
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell_, no, u-s-c is not running
[08:58] <robert_ancell_> Not sure if that's what's been released into ubuntu though, there tends to be a delay
[08:58] <robert_ancell_> seb128, that's bad if lightdm hasn't detected that
[08:58] <seb128> the lightdm logdir has a u-s-c.log with a mir exception
[08:58] <seb128> and lightdm sits on a login prompt
[08:59] <seb128> which means autologin failed to start the session, sent back to the greeter without telling anything
[09:00] <seb128> the u-s-c.log has "std::exception::what: Error opening DRM device 19, "No such device""
[09:00] <seb128> (that's under virtualbox)
[09:00] <robert_ancell_> seb128, oh, it falls back to VT switched X by default
[09:01] <robert_ancell_> But yes, we should have some mechanism for a greeter to have an error message when it starts that is set by lightdm
[09:01] <robert_ancell_> So we have a better user experience under failure
[09:03] <seb128> yeah, and if I enter ubuntu-desktop-next a l/p then I get the greeter "frozen"
[09:03] <seb128> like the username/password entry vanish but it stays on the greeter
[09:03] <seb128> I can still open/close the a11y indicator
[09:03] <seb128> oh well, better handling of error cases is a wishlist
[09:04] <seb128> robert_ancell_, looking to your email ... meanwhile, did you have an opinion on the gnome-desktop options?
[09:04] <robert_ancell_> seb128, I think I missed the question after the list of options
[09:04] <seb128> robert_ancell_, I didn't state a question I think :p
[09:05] <robert_ancell_> But agreed implementing in Unity is the best by far. The service seems an acceptable option, though it just feels risky for some reason
[09:05] <seb128> robert_ancell_, which one do you prefer/do you have a better idea, would be the question
[09:05] <robert_ancell_> No better options that I can think of
[09:05] <seb128> yeah, I don't really like the new service
[09:05] <seb128> it feels like it has potential to bring bugs
[09:05] <robert_ancell_> It shouldn't be particularly hard to implement in Unity 7 (for someone who is experienced in that codebase)
[09:06] <seb128> yeah, but that's going to take some time even if we do it
[09:06] <robert_ancell_> Do we break any other desktops by doing this update (and do we care?)
[09:06] <seb128> the GNOME guys being blocked meanwhile
[09:06] <robert_ancell_> We should unblock them
[09:06] <seb128> the easiest option might be to upload a gnome-desktop3.8 then
[09:06] <seb128> no we don't
[09:06] <robert_ancell_> The other option I had was to just carry a big patch to provide the old functionality
[09:06] <robert_ancell_> I don't think that's that bad
[09:06] <seb128> in gnome-desktop?
[09:06] <robert_ancell_> yeah
[09:07] <seb128> we are going to need to rebase
[09:07] <seb128> the patch might also be non trivial
[09:07] <Laney> darkxst: you dropped the plugins.background enable gsettings key from g-s-d
[09:07] <robert_ancell_> It will probably be big, but not very interleaved with exisitng code
[09:07] <robert_ancell_> i.e. it will be mostly a separate module
[09:08] <seb128> I think I would prefer to either ship gnome-desktop3.8 as a separate lib/copy the functions we need in u-s-c/u-c-c
[09:08] <seb128> until we implement the dbus interface in Unity
[09:08] <robert_ancell_> I feel that would be more expensive
[09:08] <seb128> then we can drop that
[09:08] <seb128> k
[09:08] <robert_ancell_> Though I don't have a feel on how many apps use the libgnome-desktop api
[09:08] <seb128> the xrandr one?
[09:08] <robert_ancell_> yeah
[09:08] <seb128> only g-s-d and g-c-c
[09:09] <robert_ancell_> If that's the case I'd be happy to copy-paste the code into u-s-d/u-c-c and be done with it
[09:09] <seb128> right, that's what I was thinking
[09:09] <robert_ancell_> +1 from me then
[09:09] <seb128> I'm going to have a try to it
[09:09] <seb128> you might get a request to review the changes if that works out ;-)
[09:09] <robert_ancell_> no problem
[09:10] <robert_ancell_> If any trouble, give me a call. I feel fairly in-depth with xrandr now (I've been deep diving into X protocol recently)
[09:10] <seb128> ok, thanks
[09:10] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I just applied for vacation during the next two weeks, I only had 3 days off this year so far and those two weeks are the ~only ones where this doesnt hurt too bad (between beta2 and the final rcs of the first upstream final).
[09:11] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, works for me
[09:11] <robert_ancell_> Sweet5hark, you've only had three days off this year!? Man, take some time off!
[09:12] <robert_ancell_> gtg, bye all
[09:12] <seb128> robert_ancell_, summer is just starting for us, most people didn't take that many days off yet ;-)
[09:12] <robert_ancell_> seb128, ah...
[09:12] <pitti> bye robert_ancell_
[09:12] <pitti> robert_ancell_: sounds like a real manager :)
[09:12] <seb128> robert_ancell_, have a nice evening!
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> robert_ancell_: yeah, its not too tragic ;)
[09:18]  * Sweet5hark will have 5 hours of management meetings again (plus the desktop meeting with you guys, but thats enjoyable) this week, after that I need a vacation. ;)
[09:18] <pitti> Sweet5hark: oh, so *you* are the new desktop manager?
[09:19] <Laney> darkxst: I'm going to upload g-s-d, you missed the patch from series it seems
[09:19] <Sweet5hark> pitti: Im not drunk enough yet to fall for that trap ;)
[09:19] <Sweet5hark> TBH I doubt that would be possible.
[09:19] <didrocks> pitti: libroffice management meetings :)
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, don't try to sneak out from that job, it's yours without discussion ;-)
[09:20] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ah, LibO management
[09:20] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, yeah, true. We made that decision in Malta, didnt we?
[09:21] <pitti> Sweet5hark: you can synergize with having multiple management positions at the same time, and leverage your competencies in Ubuntu as well!
[09:21] <Sweet5hark> pitti: E_TOOMANYBUZZWORDs
[09:22] <pitti> yeah, I'm afraid it's about as many as my little engineer head can put into one sentence :/
[09:22] <Laney> can we just hire 'managerRequest = const "yes"' as our new manager?
[09:22] <pitti> Laney: what kind of language is that?
[09:23] <Sweet5hark> Laney: nah, we need some logic to handle request from above slightly different :>
[09:23] <pitti> so, who here wants to have meetings and hangouts all day, regularly fly to quarterly business reviews, forget how to program, and get desparate about falling behind the plan?
[09:24] <Sweet5hark> pitti: its always the guy who is asking!
[09:24] <Laney> Prelude> let managerRequest = const "yes"
[09:24] <Laney> Prelude> managerRequest "can I have a pony?"
[09:24] <Laney> "yes"
[09:25]  * pitti should perhaps not work in recruitment marketing :)
[09:25] <Laney> pitti: haskell ;-)
[09:25] <didrocks> pitti: that's what I almost tested some months ago… so "no" :)
[09:25] <didrocks> (without having the title ;))
[09:25] <pitti> Laney: aah, should've known that :)
[09:26] <darkxst> Laney, ah ok, oops, I know i did rebase the patch to keep the schemas ;)
[09:26] <Laney> darkxst: you are a naughty boy!
[09:26] <Laney> do you still use the vcs?
[09:26] <Laney> looks like it
[09:26] <pitti> ok, going offline for some time to work on some code and change train in a bit
[09:26] <darkxst> Laney, ubuntu-desktop? yes
[09:26] <Laney> thought you might have moved it to ubuntu-gnome-dev
[09:27] <Laney> but actually it is still in u-desktop
[09:27] <Laney> so this makes sense
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, ttyl
[09:27] <darkxst> Laney, well we could, but that makes no sense until it moves into our packageset
[09:27] <Laney> okay
[09:28]  * didrocks is going for a run to think about how to test this dynamic module loader (category/frameworks) effectively
[09:29] <seb128> Laney, we need to build the schemas from u-s-d before doing that
[09:29] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy ;-)
[09:29] <didrocks> seb128: thanks!
[09:30] <Laney> maybe
[09:30]  * didrocks fixes some pep8 before though
[09:30] <Laney> that's pretty annoying for them
[09:35] <darkxst> right, probably more new keys get added, than ones get removed
[09:36] <seb128> we could keep the schemas updated in u-s-d
[09:36] <Laney> yes, that's the annoying part :P
[09:36] <seb128> like take the 3.12 version and put it in there
[09:36] <Laney> buh, why is my local mirror giving 404s?
[09:44] <seb128> larsu, could you have a look to https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/692f277e8623fe5be647a3a9ffcb59f6756371cc ?
[09:44] <seb128> I wonder if that could be an issue with gtk 3.12, that started recently
[09:45] <seb128> gtk_application_set_app_menu() issue
[10:15] <larsu> seb128: sure, I'll have a look
[10:16] <Laney> seb128: want to look at newing e-d-s if you have a minute?
[10:31] <seb128> Laney, sure
[10:31] <Laney> thanks
[10:31] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[10:31] <Laney> also, looks like turning on recommends didn't add that much to next
[10:33]  * seb128 nudges Laney with a -v<version>
[10:33] <Laney> I used copy-package from a ppa
[10:33] <Laney> maybe I forgot to -v there ...
[10:33] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/177555901/evolution-data-server_3.12.2-1ubuntu1_source.changes
[10:33] <Laney> looks okay
[10:35] <seb128> limitation of the pocket copy I guess
[10:37] <Laney> might be okay in the end
[10:37] <Laney> ...
[10:37] <seb128> Laney, NEWed
[10:38] <Laney> great, merci buckets
[10:38] <seb128> de rien ;-)
[10:43] <Laney> yeah looks like it got the right one
[10:43] <Laney> phew!
[10:44] <Laney> not on -changes though :(
[10:44] <seb128> right what? changelog?
[10:44] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/evolution-data-server/3.12.2-1ubuntu1 → view changes file
[10:44] <seb128> oh, right
[10:45] <Laney> must be a copier bug
[10:46] <seb128> yeah, I think it's a known issue, Colin mentioned it in the past iirc
[10:47] <Laney> ho hum
[11:36] <seb128> pitti, could you have a glance to https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-docs/hibernate-multiple-users/+merge/223300 to look if it's correct
[11:36] <seb128> pitti, looks fine to me, but you know logind better
[11:41] <pitti> seb128: replied there, with some nitpicking
[11:41] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:42] <seb128> mvo, hey, I just wanted to check what's the status of "get the correct backend used to install clicks"
[11:43] <seb128> mvo, the desktop next iso is working now, I was trying to get clicks to install on it/test the new platform api to make sure it fixed the abort issue, but I'm unsure how to hack the aptcc backend exactly
[11:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, what's the status of your fix/workaround for webbrowser on desktop mir sessions?
[11:44] <mvo> seb128: where is the download url? you probably still need to change the backend to dummy, but I would love to test that myself as I still have not had time to dig into the deatils
[11:47] <seb128> mvo, download url for what? the click?
[11:47] <seb128> or the iso?
[11:47] <Laney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[11:48] <seb128> what Laney said if you were asking about the iso
[11:48]  * Laney guesses so
[11:49] <seb128> yeah, me too ;-)
[11:49] <mvo> ta
[11:50] <mvo> downloading
[11:51] <seb128> pitti, oh, also, that udisks bug ... the timeout issue, you pointed to an util-linux bug, which is "fix released" in Debian by an Ubuntu patch from you they backported, does it mean it's not really fixed or...?
[11:51] <seb128> mvo, that's not going to be different from running unity8-desktop-session-mir on your install
[11:51] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I suppose it's something else
[11:51] <pitti> seb128: the ubuntu bug report for that is still open, haven't yet reproduced/debugged that one
[11:52] <seb128> k
[11:53] <seb128> mvo, where do you look for errors from the apps lens, I tried to install yes/no, I get it to display 100%, and then "installed", but no way to run it
[11:54] <seb128> click list doesn't list it
[11:54] <seb128> so I guess the "installed" is a lie
[11:55] <mvo> seb128: probably
[11:55] <mvo> seb128: .cache/upstart/logs iirc
[11:56] <seb128> mvo, ok, issue 1 was "needs to restart session after configuring online accounts" ... I'm going to open a bug about that (do you know if there is already one?)
[11:59] <seb128> hum, signond abort in fact, debugging
[12:01] <mvo> seb128: I don't think there is one open already, if you have that, I will put it on the click-ftd blueprint
[12:01] <mvo> seb128: I was bitten by it too
[12:01] <seb128> mvo, I can do that, debugging the abrt first, then opening bugs/updating the blueprint
[12:03] <mvo> ok
[12:10] <Laney> just tried in vmware
[12:10] <Laney> didn't work
[12:10] <Laney> Failed to create GBM device
[12:12] <mvo> Laney: does it work with kvm/qemu?
[12:12] <Laney> nein
[12:12] <mvo> :(
[12:13] <mvo> how do I test it?
[12:16] <seb128> mvo, boot a media on real hardware, until Mir supports VMs (which is scheduled for this cycle)
[12:16] <seb128> Laney is trying to get 3d to work in vmware, that might be a solution as well, let's see
[12:22] <ochosi> seb128: quick question, did you want me to redo the xdg-utils MR or can you apply my patch as is?
[12:22] <seb128> ochosi, hey, I can apply it, I just didn't get to that yet
[12:23] <ochosi> sure, no problem, just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on me to do something :)
[12:24] <seb128> I'm not, I've just been dealing with other things
[12:27] <ochosi> good, no rush
[12:27] <ochosi> just working through my todo-list before going away for a few days
[13:02] <seb128> Laney, hum, "/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.8/../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/libwebkitgtk-3.0.so: undefined reference to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... seems like evo got doked (that's the armhf build)
[13:08] <mhr3> yey, we're not the only ones
[13:09] <seb128> lol
[13:18] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: mh no, I don't work on that... At least not yet.
[13:19] <mvo> seb128: did you coin a new term for a broken build? "it got dokoed"?
[13:20] <seb128> mvo, that's the vocabulary to use for buggy toolchains ;-)
[13:20] <mvo> hahaha
[13:20] <seb128> Trevinho, robert_ancell is off for some hours, what was he asking you?
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: is there a pattern already? :)
[13:21]  * didrocks got dokoed on Travis CI, but a rebuild did it
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, between doko and buggy toolchains? sure is yes
[13:22] <Trevinho> seb128: if I maintain unity8 session
[13:22] <seb128> seems like libstdc++ is buggy
[13:22] <seb128> Trevinho, oh ;-)
[13:22] <didrocks> libstdc++… add some C++11 on top of it and it rings some black time and hours to me :)
[13:23] <seb128> indeed
[13:24] <Trevinho> seb128: if that could be fixed would be nice, since that C++11 bits are quite nice to have
[13:25] <seb128> yeah
[13:25] <Trevinho> (like the ability to use automatically-disconnected-on-object-destruction-lambdas :P)
[13:33]  * Laney gets a "I've been dokoed" tattoo
[13:33] <Laney> it's a picture of his face
[13:34] <seb128> who would like that?!
[13:34] <Laney> badge of honour
[13:34] <Laney> it gets you into all the secret clubs
[13:34] <seb128> but are you supposed to talk about it then? ;-)
[13:35] <Laney> being dokoed is a very public thing
[13:35] <seb128> guess so, it just happened to a bunch of people today
[13:35] <Laney> this is the positive side
[13:35] <Laney> :P
[13:36] <seb128> hehe
[13:36] <Laney> 1) get punched in the face, 2) collect your payment
[13:42]  * desrt boggles
[14:25] <seb128> mterry, hey, are you still looking at the wizard/making it use unity-mir only on the arch where it exists?
[14:26] <seb128> mvo, how is "disable aptcc backend and use "dummy", otherwise aptcc wanted to install the click as a deb pakage" done in practice? like what packages to install/commands to run?
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, yeah I filed a merge over the weekend
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.arch-unsplit/+merge/223178
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, oh, you did? sorry I didn't see that in my email backlog for some reason
[14:27] <mterry> sniff, sniff
[14:28] <didrocks> \o/ phew, that was a fight with python contextmanager, but I can now mock entire subdirectories of frameworks for my tests ;)
[14:29] <mvo> seb128: edit /etc/PackageKit/PackagesKit.conf and set the backend to "dummy"
[14:29] <mvo> seb128: iirc, path may need adjustment
[14:29] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[14:32] <mvo> yw
[14:33] <seb128> mterry, shouldn't you drop the build-depends on libunity-mir in there?
[14:34] <mterry> seb128, I believe there is a header include for a macro
[14:34] <seb128> mterry, that's not going to resolve the depwait issue on those archs then :
[14:34] <seb128> :/
[14:35] <mterry> seb128, don't we have the same problem for unity8?
[14:35] <mterry> I thought I copied that #include/macro code from it
[14:35] <seb128> mterry, well, if unity8 is missing on ppc that's fine
[14:35] <seb128> but if u-s-s is missing it's not, because u-s-s-o-a depends on it, and that has rdepends like clicks and other stuff
[14:36] <seb128> that are currently available on those archs
[14:36] <Laney> can't you arch-restrict the build-dep?
[14:36] <seb128> (click might not a right example)
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, not if the code use a macro defined in there, that's going to ftbfs
[14:37] <Laney> the build system of the project using the code can check for it
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, we are discussing https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.arch-unsplit/+merge/223178
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, right it can, and it should ;-)
[14:37] <seb128> I'm just saying that those changes don't address the arch set issue which was blocking the landing
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, OK I can make the arch-detection better
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, I figured that whatever unity8 did was fine, but I get ya
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, or just add a --disable-wizard if you prefer and use that on arch where unity-mir is missing
[14:38] <seb128> sorry about that
[14:48] <mterry> seb128, OK try that -- it was just using the header for a class typedef
[14:53] <seb128> mterry, you need to update wizard/CMakeLists.txt to not include it then?
[14:54] <mterry> seb128, oh huh, I built
[14:54] <seb128> mterry, you have unity-mir.pc installed?
[14:54] <mterry> Oh but I didn't build in a pbuilder
[14:54] <mterry> ahem
[14:54] <seb128> lol
[14:55]  * mterry fixes and builds clean
[15:00] <seb128> dobey, mvo, mhr3: the unity8 app lens seems to need packagekit to be able to install clicks ... is that right? if so should something have a depends on it so it gets installed by default? (that's not the case today)
[15:00] <mvo> seb128: thats correct, it needs packagekit
[15:01] <dobey> seb128: i'm not sure what exactly should have the depends on "packagekit"
[15:01] <mhr3> dobey, install manager? :)
[15:01] <seb128> dobey, what is doing the install? unity-scope-click? the download manager?
[15:02] <dobey> mhr3: doesn't exist
[15:02] <dobey> seb128: pkcon
[15:02] <seb128> dobey, what is calling pkcon?
[15:02] <dobey> seb128: technically teh download-manager, but only because the scope is telling it to
[15:03] <seb128> so the scope should have the depends?
[15:03] <mterry> seb128, updated, builds fine in my pbuilder
[15:03] <dobey> seb128: i don't know
[15:03] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[15:03] <dobey> seb128: i don't understand the issue enough to say what exactly should have the dep
[15:03] <seb128> dobey, who would know/have an opinion on that?
[15:04] <seb128> like who knows the architecture of that stack?
[15:04] <seb128> mandel?
[15:04] <dobey> no, not mandel
[15:04] <dobey> i'd guess mvo
[15:04] <seb128> lol
[15:04] <seb128> mvo, ^ ;-)
[15:04] <mhr3> dobey, i just like pointing out all the reasons why it should be there :P
[15:04] <dobey> seb128: is the unity8 preview image not building with the ubuntu-touch seed?
[15:04] <mhr3> seb128, click scope should have the dep
[15:05] <mhr3> seb128, it requests the dm to run it
[15:05] <seb128> dobey, it's a derived seed based on the touch one
[15:05] <seb128> dobey, but we don't want all the android bits
[15:05] <seb128> dobey, so it's a different seed
[15:05] <dobey> mhr3: based on "what it runs" the dep would be on packagekit-tools, which i guess doesn't depend on packagekit itself
[15:05] <Laney> mterry: this cleanup thing!
[15:06] <dobey> mhr3: so i'd guess something in the dep tree of packagekit-tools should depend on packagekit
[15:06] <dobey> and the scope might need a dep on packagekit-tools
[15:07] <mterry> Laney, you mean this beautiful script of elegance and correctness, I assume?
[15:07] <mhr3> are you saying that packagekit-tools don't actually dep on packagekit itself?
[15:07] <mterry> :)
[15:07] <mhr3> clearly that would be a bug
[15:07] <Laney> haha
[15:07] <seb128> dobey, mterry: it depends on python3-aptdaemon.pkgcompat | packagekit
[15:08] <Laney> can't you do this stuff from the wizard itself?
[15:09] <mterry> Laney, I could, but it felt "shell scripty"
[15:09] <mterry> Laney, but I'd be happy to move it into the wizard if you hate the look of the cleanup job
[15:10] <mvo> seb128: oh, me?
[15:10] <mvo> seb128: let me read backlog
[15:10] <seb128> mvo, basically discussing how to pull packagekit on the image
[15:10] <seb128> mvo, the scope should depends on packagekit-tools
[15:10] <seb128> mvo, that depends on python3-aptdaemon.pkgcompat | packagekit
[15:11] <seb128> mvo, is python3-aptdaemon.pkgcompat a valable alternative in that situation?
[15:11] <Laney> mterry: I don't know for 100% but upstart has SetEnv and EmitEvent on its d-bus API on the session bus
[15:11] <Laney> well, I don't want to make you do busy work
[15:11] <Laney> but I'll just say that I'm not a fan of this architecture :)
[15:11] <Laney> I'm sure it works though
[15:12] <seb128> Laney, mterry: I would prefer avoiding having upstart calls in code, especially since we are switching to systemd in the futur
[15:12] <seb128> it's easier to have an overview on scripts
[15:12] <mterry> Laney, it was partly because it is partly copied code from the split greeter wrapper which was in bash
[15:13] <Laney> this would be contained within a function
[15:13] <Laney> I imagine all of this is going to have to be reworked for systemd anyway
[15:14] <seb128> right
[15:14] <mvo> seb128: could we make it part of unity8-desktop-session-mir until this is sorted out?
[15:15] <seb128> mvo, we could, but does that mean that python3-aptdaemon.pkgcompat is not a valid replacement?
[15:15] <Laney> mterry: how about when it's replaced with systemd it's done in code if possible ;-)
[15:16] <mvo> seb128: its only for debs
[15:16] <mvo> seb128: but cjwatson did a clever plugin so that pk does support both click and deb
[15:16] <seb128> oh ok
[15:17] <mvo> where normally you only can have a single package system backend (AIUI)
[15:17] <seb128> mvo, ok, let's add a depends on unity8-desktop-session-mir then
[15:17] <mvo> so we would either have to add click support to aptdaemon
[15:17] <mvo> or make PK and aptcc the new aptdaemon
[15:17] <Laney> why not seed it?
[15:17] <mvo> both is quite a bit of work
[15:17] <mterry> Laney, well, this is the user's session -- so it won't be replaced with systemd for a little bit, eh?
[15:18] <mvo> Laney: that would work too of course, but the downside is that people who want to try the session on a regular install won't get working clicks
[15:18] <seb128> Laney, because then installing unity-desktop-mir-session doesn't give you something working
[15:18] <Laney> installing unity8 on its own doesn't either
[15:20] <Laney> It's seeded in touch already
[15:20] <Laney> for info
[15:21] <seb128> packagekit?
[15:21] <Laney> yes
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, that works for me as well ... I just want it installed, being a depends of unity8 or the lens or the seed or whatever ;-)
[15:23] <seb128> they are equally valid options in my opinion
[15:23] <seb128> but if you prefer the seed please go for it
[15:24] <seb128> I'm not picky, as long as we get it on the iso ;-)
[15:24] <Laney> I'd say either the lens if it requires it or the seed if we make a choice
[15:24] <Laney> but the thing that we advertise people to install ought to be the metapacakge from the seed imho
[15:24] <Laney> so yeah can do that
[15:24] <Laney> hopefully it won't cause a problem with the conflicts from python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat
[15:25] <Laney> just noticed we get u-c-c on the image via libaccount-plugin-1.0-0
[15:25] <Laney> should that have an alternate depends on u-s-s?
[15:26] <Laney> recommends*
[15:26] <seb128> Laney, the lens depends on packagekit-tools
[15:26] <seb128> which "Depends: python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat | packagekit-system-interface | packagekit (= 0.8.12-1ubuntu5)"
[15:27] <seb128> but as mvo said, the first choice only handle debs
[15:27] <Laney> yeah
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, is libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 getting u-c-c in through the recommends on u-c-c-signon?
[15:28] <Laney> yeah
[15:28]  * desrt_ eyes desrt
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, right, let me mp an alternative recommends on u-s-s
[15:29] <Laney> u-s-s-o-a maybe?
[15:29] <seb128> right
[15:29] <larsu> desrt, desrt_: err...
[15:29]  * Laney sees a mirage
[15:29] <desrt_> i feel like i'm in bizarro universe
[15:30] <desrt_> my net went down for an hour and now i can't ssh to my irc box
[15:30] <seb128> oh, it's meeting time
[15:30] <qengho> yay!
[15:30] <Laney> oh man i've never thought of that before
[15:30]  * mrage in the desrt
[15:30] <desrt_> the box is up, but ssh is closing all incoming connections as soon as they're open
[15:31] <desrt_> mrage: attente beat you to this joke
[15:31] <desrt_> he used to go by 'forst'
[15:31] <mrage> yeah
[15:31] <mrage> I had rivr once
[15:31] <seb128> qengho, Laney, mrage, tkamppeter, desrt, desrt_, attente, larsu, KombuchaKip, didrocks: hey, it's meeting time
[15:31] <didrocks> hey!
[15:31] <mrage> shit don't put me that high up
[15:31] <larsu> oh, already?!
[15:31] <seb128> yes ;-)
[15:31] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:31] <qengho> desrt_: Could be PTR-/A-record dns mismatch from you now, or something on the box.
[15:32] <seb128> qengho, your turn
[15:32] <qengho> * away 6 days on jury duty.
[15:32] <qengho> * catching up on Cr releases. New stable release, v35!
[15:32] <qengho> * merging window density-geometry fixes.
[15:32] <qengho> * to-do this week, merge session management ("missing tab") fixes.
[15:32] <desrt_> qengho: dns is fine
[15:32] <seb128> qengho, oh, you got a fix for the session management? good!
[15:33] <qengho> seb128: :)  I didn't fix it. I just merge.  :\
[15:34] <seb128> k, well good to see it resolved in any case ;-)
[15:34] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:34] <seb128> no Sweetshark?
[15:34] <seb128> Laney, your turn I guess (still feeling weird to have you in front of the list)
[15:35] <Laney> 1 sec
[15:35] <Laney> phew
[15:36] <Laney> • Some u-s-s bug fixes: whoopsie-preferences d-bus activation bug, time-date tests, triage bugs
[15:36] <Laney> • fix/sync tdb
[15:36] <Laney> • finish colord transition
[15:36] <Laney> • some reviews / discussions / sponsoring of gtk
[15:36] <Laney> • evo/e-d-s 3.12 transition, dokoed on evo/armhf build
[15:36] <Laney> • get dokoed when trying to x-build u-s-s, debug that a bit, toolchain mismatch
[15:36] <Laney> • some desktop-next seed fixes, tweaks, testing (branch landed, doesn't run on my machine - mir crash)
[15:36] <Laney> • g-s-d bugfix for missing key
[15:36] <Laney> • glib2.0 pcfile bugfix, dokoed on a binutils bug
[15:36] <Laney> FIN
[15:36] <didrocks> Laney: 2 dokoization in a week? congrats :)
[15:36] <Laney> three!
[15:37] <desrt> larsu: glib pc file?
[15:37] <didrocks> oh, missed one, indeed!
[15:37] <Laney> desrt_: https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=9f69534030f963183ac5398889630a641a71409b
[15:37] <larsu> desrt: Laney
[15:37] <desrt> Laney: larsu
[15:38] <desrt> larsu: (sorry)
[15:38] <Laney> oh also arranged guadec travel
[15:38] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, your turn
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Made bannertopdf working with PPD-less printing (to allow printing test page also), fixed banner templates so that correct banner textst appear on banner pages, minor bug fixes.
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: SRU for Trusty to re-activate exception rules for using Poppler instead of Ghostscript on certain printer models with PS interpreter bugs.
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - libspectre: Fixed display of rotated PostScript files with evince using an upstream patch, also prepared SRU for Trusty.
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - Mentoring of GSoC students
[15:38] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:38]  * KombuchaKip waves
[15:39] <qengho> desrt_: does remote end accept the SSH creds you expect?  -v shows correct host-key sent, or password-auth allowed, or whatever?
[15:39] <seb128> KombuchaKip, hey, not your turn yet
[15:39] <desrt> qengho: even on telnet i don't see the remote version string... just accepts and closes immediately
[15:39] <desrt> restarting sshd fixed it
[15:40] <desrt> (linode has a nice ajax-based local-console-access mechanism)
[15:40] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks (I've sponsored the libspectre SRU, it's in the unapproved queue waiting for review next)
[15:40] <seb128> desrt: ok, it's your turn ;-)
[15:40] <desrt> mostly bugs this week
[15:41] <desrt> plus some work on the mutex stuff still
[15:41] <desrt> also helped to unblock attente on a longstanding unity-gtk-module bug yesterday
[15:41] <seb128> the eclipse one?
[15:41] <desrt> and spent some time digging in gdesktopappinfo -- looks like the rewrite of the mime handling there has issues :(
[15:41] <seb128> did you get a change for GTK that we need to backport?
[15:41] <attente> desrt: thanks
[15:41] <desrt> seb128: not sure exactly which app it was -- maybe attente can say
[15:42] <desrt> was the one about the action activations going in the wrong order
[15:42] <attente> seb128: yeah, it's the one needed for eclipse
[15:42] <seb128> let me know if there is a GTK patch to sponsor
[15:42] <desrt> there is
[15:42] <desrt> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=b532e1ff0ab25303c838565220e8d41fb3044a05
[15:43] <desrt> ugly patch but it gets the job done
[15:43] <seb128> k
[15:44] <desrt> (and every other possible way would have been more ugly)
[15:44] <desrt> (eof)
[15:44] <larsu> desrt: this is ugly...
[15:45] <seb128> desrt: thanks
[15:45] <seb128> attente, hey, your turn
[15:45] <desrt> larsu: only less ugly way would have been a (new) public signal
[15:45] <attente> updated the fcitx-transition PPA to add basic fcitx support to indicator-keyboard, u-s-d, and u-c-c
[15:45] <larsu> yeah I guess so. Was just reiterating your own opinion
[15:45] <attente> but it requires some initial user configuration of fcitx, and there's not that much changes to u-c-c (it just allows adding of fcitx sources, and it isn't really clear to the user that having fcitx enabled means the ibus sources aren't used)
[15:45] <attente> input switching is super slow for fcitx though (i guess since we activate it over fcitx's dbus interface)
[15:47] <larsu> a bus call is that slow?
[15:47] <seb128> attente, don't spend too much work on fcitx, if needed the Kylin team can pick up and improve things, it's already nice to them that you added support for it
[15:47] <desrt> attente also started working on the accountsservice input stuff....
[15:48] <seb128> good
[15:48] <desrt> didrocks: what's the status with the session-migration stuff?
[15:48] <attente> seb128: sure
[15:48] <didrocks> desrt: which status? It's still in use
[15:48] <desrt> we had some questions about the best way to move the settings from gsettings into accountsservice as a one-time migration task.... but it has to be done in an upstreamable way
[15:48] <seb128> attente, if you have things waiting for sponsoring please remind me, I know you mentioned some before your days off, and I put that on the side because the GTK change was still in-discussion
[15:49] <desrt> and iirc session-migration (with your improvements) never got much traction and they even eventually dropped the original once gconf was old enough....
[15:49] <attente> ok
[15:49] <didrocks> desrt: I see no reason to not upstream it or block on that. I guess we'll have to work on systemd integration at some point IIRC
[15:49] <desrt> ah.  that's an interesting point.
[15:49] <didrocks> so if we need to push it, I can try to open the discussion
[15:49] <didrocks> (it's using upstart now)
[15:49] <desrt> i don't want to get attente shaving too many yaks, but i guess this discussion needs to happen soon anyway....
[15:50] <desrt> would appreciate it if you could start that discussion, indeed -- maybe even using attente's usecase as a motivator
[15:50] <didrocks> desrt: I can handle it, let's discuss that later this week and sync, I'm not 100% sure of all the needs
[15:50] <desrt> probably lennart will want to just make systemd handle it :p
[15:50] <desrt> since, you know... it's something that a computer does
[15:50] <didrocks> hehe :)
[15:51] <didrocks> we can put something like that in systemd, there is no black magic :)
[15:51] <didrocks> (and add a segfault ;))
[15:51] <desrt> sounds good to me -- and would help with what attente is working on
[15:51] <seb128> ok, I guess that's enough on the topic for the meeting
[15:51] <seb128> attente, thanks
[15:51] <seb128> desrt, didrocks: thanks as well ;-)
[15:51] <didrocks> yw
[15:52] <seb128> larsu, your turn ;-)
[15:52] <larsu> oh, crazily unprepared
[15:52] <larsu> but then, it was a fairly slow week
[15:52] <Laney> * fixed gtk 3.12 tests
[15:52] <larsu> I did the 3.12 test fixes which took a bit more time than they should've because of my own stupidity
[15:53] <larsu> helped push notification guys use libmessaging menu a bit
[15:53] <larsu> talked to company about dropping our theme and tested whether we can
[15:54] <larsu> worked a bit on the themes to fix volume buttons and header bars
[15:54] <Laney> theme *engine*?
[15:54] <seb128> unico
[15:54] <larsu> (not up yet, I'm still talking to Company about the details)
[15:54] <larsu> Laney: unico
[15:54] <Laney> yes
[15:54] <Laney> the line said "dropping our theme"
[15:54] <larsu> ah, sorry :)
[15:54] <larsu> unprepared and all...
[15:55] <desrt> Laney: dunno if you know, but "adwaita" means "one and only" in hindi :)
[15:55] <larsu> finally gave desrt a first round of review for the xmlreader / gsettings-for-different-desktops branch
[15:55] <Laney> desrt: I know about the giant tortoise
[15:55] <seb128> larsu, Laney: lol, I read that as "theme engine" but I knew what we talking about... ;-)
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the clarification
[15:55] <Laney> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Adwaita.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adwaita&h=263&w=191&tbnid=zoKsZdxLnYwiIM:&zoom=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=116&usg=__vgPKrMw66ZDX-hGIJam_UzR5-BY=&docid=nta5yLKvcVnl6M&itg=1&client=ubuntu&sa=X&ei=6GSgU_CfJYLX7Aaj9oGQDw&ved=0CKcBEPwdMA8
[15:56] <desrt> Laney: kinda looks the same as the theme in terms of usage of padding :)
[15:56] <seb128> lol
[15:56] <larsu> and I think that's it?!
[15:56] <seb128> larsu, debugged eog/glib/gtk/menu issue as well
[15:56] <seb128> larsu, thanks ;-)
[15:56] <larsu> ah right
[15:57] <larsu> I have a fix for that in some terminal
[15:57]  * larsu frantically alt-tabs
[15:57] <seb128> you can filter on win titles in the unity overview ;-)
[15:57] <desrt> larsu: add-criticals patch is welcome
[15:57] <larsu> there'll be another fix for it as soon as desrt makes up his mind
[15:57] <larsu> desrt: I still don't like that...
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, hey, your turn!
[15:57] <desrt> you prefer that you can set it before registration?
[15:57] <didrocks> Short week (4 days) + UOS, took Friday off.
[15:57] <didrocks> * participated to some cloud/juju sessions on GUI, charms, and other juju topics
[15:57] <larsu> seb128: ah cool! I didn't know that
[15:57] <desrt> and that the impl will pick it up?
[15:58] <didrocks> * get the apt module (requirementhandler) under tests for the ubuntu developer tools center, adjust the API to be threaded and give signals back
[15:58] <didrocks> * shaped the framework and category module loaders to be able having the ubuntu developer tools center pointing multiple install types. Putting under tests as we speak (already started and framework in place).
[15:58] <didrocks> * put in place strategy (related to previous task) for shell interface and bindings to those detected frameworks.
[15:58] <didrocks> * talked with OEM about development desktop experience
[15:58] <didrocks> EOF
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, thanks (nice to see you are having fun/do interesting stuff, compared to watching the landings)
[15:59] <desrt> didrocks: i'm having an issue with unity... can you help me track that down later?
[15:59] <seb128> lol
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, it's a test, say "no" :p
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, that's a change :)
[15:59] <didrocks> desrt: noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, never ever ever again :)
[15:59] <desrt> didrocks: correct answer.  you pass the test.  :)
[15:59] <didrocks> \o/
[15:59] <seb128> desrt, nice try ;-)
[16:00] <seb128> KombuchaKip, hey, any status update to share this week?
[16:02] <seb128> seems not...
[16:02] <seb128> ok, my turn
[16:02] <seb128> * reviewed platform-api changes, helped that to land
[16:02] <seb128> * set up proper sbuild for cross-building
[16:02] <seb128> * sponsoring (some syncs, libspectre) and landings (libdbusmenu)
[16:02] <seb128> * ubuntu-system-settings reviews and landings (wizard, bluetooth tweaks, osk sound, tz filter bugfix)
[16:02] <seb128> * UOS sessions (unity8 on desktop, langpacks for touch, clicks on desktop, etc)
[16:02] <seb128> * helped testing&landing some unity8 desktop session changes
[16:02] <seb128> * NEW reviews
[16:02] <seb128> * testing and debugging for the ubuntu-desktop-next iso (indicator not starting, clicks scope still not working out of the box)
[16:02] <seb128> * some SRUs for trusty

[16:03] <KombuchaKip> seb128: Submitted another iteration of a Mozilla patch for Thunderbird I wrote (Bugzilla #824909); then resumed work on an RFE for Eiciel (LP #1247782); then put that down and now just started on (LP #1220818).
[16:04] <seb128> KombuchaKip, is the tb patch getting anywhere? it has been a while it's being in review
[16:05] <seb128> KombuchaKip, thanks
[16:05] <KombuchaKip> seb128: Sorry man, but there's not really anything I can do as it's out of my hands. All I can do is write and submit the patch, revise it as they need, and wait for them to merge. But the good news is that so far at least two Mozilla devs have given it a green light.
[16:05] <seb128> is there any other topic/update/comment?
[16:05] <seb128> KombuchaKip, good ;-)
[16:05] <KombuchaKip> seb128: But hopefully it shouldn't be too much longer now. ;)
[16:07] <seb128> k, thanks
[16:07] <seb128> so
[16:07] <seb128> extra update/comment/topics?
[16:07] <desrt> seb128: one
[16:08] <seb128> if not let's wrap the meeting
[16:08] <seb128> desrt, yes?
[16:08] <desrt> i'd like everyone to know that last night, i was elected as an official of the esperanto circle of toronto
[16:08] <larsu> desrt: congrats.
[16:08] <desrt> i am now the 'vicprezidanto pri krokodilaj aferoj'
[16:08] <desrt> vppka|desrt
[16:08] <larsu> why not president? Ken?
[16:08] <desrt> larsu: matthew
[16:08] <seb128> desrt, oh, now the nickname makes sense ;-)
[16:08] <larsu> Ken would make a better president
[16:08] <seb128> desrt, congrats!
[16:09] <desrt> larsu: he declined the nomination...
[16:09] <didrocks> desrt: Gratulon!
[16:09] <seb128> on that note, let's call it a wrap, thanks everyone!
[16:09] <desrt> seb128: thanks :D
[16:09] <attente> krokodilaj?
[16:09] <Laney> well done
[16:09] <larsu> thanks seb128!
[16:09] <desrt> attente: krokodili is the verb "to crocodile"
[16:09] <didrocks> dankon :)
[16:09] <desrt> which means to speak ones native language when you oguht to be speaking esperanto (like at meetings)
[16:09] <attente> ah
[16:19] <attente> seb128: there's this which needs to be SRU'd: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-settings-daemon/1311443/+merge/221526 which is a subset of the changes darkxst proposed here: https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/utopic/gnome-settings-daemon/lp1318539/+merge/219154
[16:20] <attente> it's for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1311443
[16:23] <attente> seb128: this is desrt's patch to be sponsored for eclipse: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/menu-binding-emit-submenu-close-after-activate/+merge/223420
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, is https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/utopic/gnome-settings-daemon/lp1318539/+merge/219154 something you looked at? it seemed to include a fix for the issue you had this morning
[16:24] <seb128> attente, ^ that branch is for utopic and your is for the SRU, right?
[16:24] <seb128> yours*
[16:25] <attente> seb128: yes
[16:25] <Laney> seb128: haven't seen it but looks like that
[16:25] <Laney> I think that 468 is what got uploaded?
[16:26] <seb128> yeah
[16:26] <seb128> seems like dholbach didn't update the mp status or that didn't close on push as usual
[16:26] <seb128> weird
[16:26] <seb128> that can probably be set to "merged" right?
[16:27] <Laney> well 470 wasn't applied
[16:27] <Laney> in the upload
[16:27] <Laney> weird
[16:28] <seb128> yeah, dunno what happened
[16:28] <attente> it's in the changelog though, isn't it?
[16:29] <Laney> think it was missed somehow
[16:30] <Laney> anyway it's merged other than that
[16:37] <mitya57> ChrisTownsend: Hi, did you have a chance to look at Alberts Muktupāvels' compiz branches? I am going to upload Metacity 3.12 to archive, and ported gtk-window-decorator is a prerequisite for that.
[16:37] <mitya57> I have tested his branches, and they work great here.
[16:39] <dobey> seb128: so, are you just adding "packagekit" to the seed for now?
[17:52] <seb128> dobey, yes, the lens already depends on -tools
[17:53] <dobey> right
[17:53] <dobey> just wanted to make sure we were on the same page there :)
[17:54] <dobey> and the gcc-4.9 breakage is a bit distracting for me at the moment
[17:54] <seb128> right
[18:02] <ChrisTownsend> mitya57: No, I haven't reviewed yet, but I can very soon.  I don't have any way to test this, so I'll have to take your word on it that it works:)
[18:07] <mitya57> ChrisTownsend: I have prepared some test packages in ppa:mitya57/gnome-test (this is pre-3.12 version of Metacity, will update to 3.12 when I have time).
[18:07] <mitya57> Also, what Alberts proposed now is just a preparation, when/if you merge this he'll propose the actual porting branch.
[18:08] <ChrisTownsend> mitya57: Right.  I guess my job is to make sure it doesn't break anything:)
[18:10] <mitya57> ChrisTownsend: yeah. Thanks!
[18:10] <ChrisTownsend> mitya57: np, thanks for the reminder


[01:07] <bryceh> thanks
[10:26] <danilogondolfo> may I ask someone to re-trigger this test for me, please? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=rich&trigger=migration-reference/0
[10:26] <danilogondolfo> just want to confirm the autopkgtests will run this time
[10:28] <ginggs> danilogondolfo: .
[10:28] <danilogondolfo> thanks ginggs
[10:34] <danilogondolfo> I also have a merge request for libcap2, if someone has a minute to review it... for context: there is a single test failing on armhf due to the test environment, it requires a newer kernel version. The test passes on armhf on jammy and newer versions. Once we update the test runners for armhf this change can be dropped.
[10:34] <danilogondolfo> https://code.launchpad.net/~danilogondolfo/ubuntu/+source/libcap2/+git/libcap2/+merge/436832
[11:24] <LocutusOfBorg> danilogondolfo, .
[11:25] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[11:27] <danilogondolfo> LocutusOfBorg, thanks!
[15:58] <bdmurray> bluca: Has something changed with the systemd upstream tests? They seem to be hanging / failing at `dpkg-buildpackage: info: binary-only upload (no source included)`
[17:06] <bluca> not that I know of
[17:06] <bluca> things were running today
[17:06] <bluca> yesterday azure apt was borked so lots of stuff failed
[17:06] <bluca> do you have a link?
[17:16] <bdmurray> bluca: the tests never finish but if you look at some of the logs here you can see where they hang https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-systemd-upstream
[17:17] <bdmurray> Or here if it got cleared out https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kRc9GPnM8W/
[18:03] <bluca> so after that output, autopkgtest starts
[18:03] <bluca> that's independent of the upstream repo
[18:03] <bluca> it depends on the upstream-ci branch on salsa
[18:04] <bluca> which has not changed since december
[18:04] <bluca> ie, in a working test run you see
[18:04] <bluca> dpkg-buildpackage: info: binary-only upload (no source included)
[18:04] <bluca> autopkgtest [17:53:57]: test timedated: preparing testbed
[18:05] <bluca> while in the output you pasted, it stops after the first line here
[18:05] <bluca> but yes I see that runs are all getting stuck
[18:14] <bdmurray> I've temporarily added systemd-upstream to a list of packages for which tests will not run to help with the backlog of Ubuntu package tests but it looks like the problem is more wide spread.
[18:15] <bdmurray> I'm continuing to investigate and will let you know the end result.
[18:29] <bluca> got it, thanks for looking into this
[23:36] <arraybolt3> Would like to request help with testing this bug fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1993318
[23:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1993318 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu) "ZFS + Encryption installations of Ubuntu Desktop do not come up correctly on first boot, systemd unmounts many of the zfs volumes" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[23:37] <arraybolt3> TL;DR: Boot an Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.1 LTS ISO, enable -proposed, install Ubiquity from -proposed, then do a ZFS+encryption installation and make sure the system works normally when you're done.
[23:37] <arraybolt3> I just verified that the fix worked, but I'm uneasy about saying "OK, the fix is good, ship it!" when I'm the only person who has tested it and logged my findings so far.
[23:38] <arraybolt3> I did mark it as verification-done, but if others can test, that would be great.
[23:39] <arraybolt3> Maybe also test using the Ubuntu Desktop Jammy daily?


[12:25] <Guest74> hello, I just wanted to point out, that there is wrong link in BitTorrent download section for Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS on kubuntu web site
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:45] <mparillo> Changed BitTorrent link on https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads/ from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04.1/release/kubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent to https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04.2/release/kubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[17:45] <mparillo> It might take a while to propogate.
[17:46] <Unit193> Ah so it's not just Xubuntu that missed that. \o/
[17:48] <mparillo> When you are weeks late, what is a few hours to propagate?
[18:31] <oerheks> mparillo, torrent address is updated
[19:50] <user|69> hello there
[19:51] <user|69> I have a kubuntu os version 21.10, and can not update anything at all , always says impish releases not found or there is an error
[19:51] <user|69> how can i update it
[19:58] <mparillo> !eol
[19:59] <mparillo> So, you could try to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades but since you should have a really reliable backup of your user data, I just go with a fresh install.
[20:00] <mparillo> Thanks oerheks. So less than an hour to propagate.
[20:05]  * oerheks likes https://visualping.io/


[08:16] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:17] <dholbach> can you check the errors.log file?
[08:38] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:38] <davidcalle> Yup
[08:38] <dholbach> brilliant, thanks
[08:39] <dholbach> https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/ still is not updated ... or updated in the wrong way :)
[08:39] <dholbach> the rest seems to be fine as far as I can see
[08:42] <davidcalle> "error.log" is empty. I also have a django_errors.log containing 18 instances of "Don't know how to interpret '/tmp/tmpExtvFT/snapcraft/docs/images'." and nothing else.
[08:42] <davidcalle> dholbach: ^
[08:43] <dholbach> hohum.......
[08:43] <dholbach> all right.. back to the drawing board
[08:44] <davidcalle> dholbach: let's make a custom branch and see if it gets updated. (I think I have one already for this purpose, hold on)
[08:44] <davidcalle> dholbach: I see https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/ empty
[08:45] <dholbach> yes, same here
[08:45] <davidcalle> Hmm
[08:49] <dholbach> it works locally
[08:49] <dholbach> I just built a page which had lots of different plugins - it came out with just one rawhtml plugin with just the html I was expecting it to have
[09:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: Where does the name "Build apps" in the menu comes from?
[09:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: is it something that the importer can control?
[09:14] <davidcalle> dholbach: I've created a branch with a list of pages: Page0.md, Page1, Page2, imported to snappy/foo . With Page0 set as /foo. I was expecting the name of the page to be Foo. (based on build-apps > Build Apps), but it's Page0. How is that dealt with? Eg. if I change the name of the page, will it go back to Page0 on the next import? Is the name set only if
[09:14] <davidcalle> the page needs to be created and not updated afterwards?
[09:15] <davidcalle> Also, I've disabled other imports while testing this
[09:20] <davidcalle> dholbach: could the build-apps page bug be caused by the fact there are two imports defined for this branch, and only one being active?
[09:46] <dholbach> davidcalle, it's the page title
[09:47] <davidcalle> dholbach: good news: if we start from a clean slate (deleting /build-apps), no issues, everything works fine, a manual change to the content gets reverted after import.
[09:47] <dholbach> davidcalle, both are active
[09:47] <davidcalle> well overriden more than reverted.
[09:47] <dholbach> ok... it's still bizarre that this doesn't work
[09:47] <dholbach> ok, it's at least to work around :-)
[09:47] <dholbach> thanks!
[09:48] <dholbach> now on to the hero tour
[09:48] <davidcalle> dholbach: we know that we can go from clean slate to what we want, and that the tree doesn't explode. Ship it. :)
[09:51] <dholbach> I like your pragmatic approach to things
[10:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, did you "make crontab"?
[10:23] <dholbach> if not, can you maybe do it and maybe run a regular import yourself maybe and see if there's any errors or anything? :-)
[10:35] <davidcalle> done both, no errors
[10:36]  * davidcalle lunch, brb
[10:58] <dholbach> gracias
[11:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/as-dev doesn't look like it's working :)
[11:00] <dholbach> https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/as-dev/ looks a bit weird again
[11:00] <dholbach> it's not text vs rawhtml plugin
[11:42] <dholbach> ok, so the redirect page (using JS) I made an actual redirect, importing it from a .html file from snappy-dev-website doesn't work
[11:44] <dholbach> now we just need to figure out why the style is a bit weird
[11:45] <dholbach> and why it wants to go to https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/as-dev/16-04/step2-ubuntu-rpi2/ instead of https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/as-dev/16-04/step2-setup-rpi2-ubuntu/
[11:45] <dholbach> and remove webdm
[11:45] <dholbach> I'll start filing a couple of bugs :)
[11:51] <dholbach> ok, we either fix it in snappy-dev-website or in our hero template
[11:51] <dholbach> it's just that I don't really understand the logic there O:-)
[11:51] <dholbach> let me dive deeper
[11:55] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15979960/ is what the URLs should look like
[11:56] <dholbach> step 2 would be http://paste.ubuntu.com/15979964/ rather
[12:07] <dholbach> templates/snappy_hero_tour.html also refers to snappy/get-started vs snappy/start
[12:07] <dholbach> I wonder if that's the issue
[12:07] <dholbach> s/the/an :)
[12:09] <dholbach> it's http://paste.ubuntu.com/15980061/ now
[12:11] <dholbach> ok... that doesn't fix it
[13:22] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'm going to live edit the template on staging, hold on :)
[13:23] <dholbach> "don't disturb the doctor right now, he's preparing for brain surgery"
[13:47] <davidcalle> "getting productive with nano"
[13:47] <davidcalle> dholbach: ok, nav fixed, but templates are cached, so you need to update the page until the urls are correct :p
[13:48] <dholbach> wow
[13:50] <dholbach> the caching drives me nuts :)
[13:51] <dholbach> 3 things are still broken for me:
[13:51] <dholbach> 1) the nav lists "get started" as snappy/start
[13:51] <dholbach> 2) the css of snappy/get-started/as-dev is a bit off
[13:51] <dholbach> 3) the URLs are broken
[13:52] <dholbach> I'll keep reloading this to see if it magically fixes itself and gets your goodness from your nano session :)
[13:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: about the layout, didrock did something wrong indeed.
[13:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: get-started VS start, yeah, not sure where it's coming from, importer directive setup?
[13:54] <dholbach> 15.10 is wrong as well
[13:55] <davidcalle> Looking at the page tree, there is no 15.10
[13:56] <dholbach> yeah, that as well :)
[13:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: you know that you are on a page with the fixed urls when the little number lights red :)
[13:56] <davidcalle> well, orange
[13:57] <dholbach> davidcalle, can you maybe put your changes into a branch, so I can try it out locally?
[13:57] <dholbach> might be quicker ;-)
[13:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: mayyybe
[13:58]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[14:00] <davidcalle> dholbach: do you want it based on a specific branch?
[14:01] <dholbach> any recent one should be fine
[14:02] <dholbach> I will propose https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/just-one-rawhtml-plugin/+merge/292490 to go into trunk, and make sure to back out https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/hourly-md-imports/+merge/292384
[14:02] <dholbach> or how do you feel about the latter?
[14:04] <davidcalle> dholbach: https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/developer-ubuntu-com/hero-tour-fixes
[14:04]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[14:05] <davidcalle> dholbach: happy to merge the first in trunk and request a deployment later today
[14:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok, let me back out the cronjob
[14:05] <davidcalle> dholbach: do you want we try to fix the tour before a deployment?
[14:06] <dholbach> davidcalle, which part do you want to fix?
[14:06] <davidcalle> dholbach: hmm, oh you are right, that's the github part that needs layout fixes :)
[14:07] <dholbach> I'm not sure I understand
[14:07] <davidcalle> dholbach: the broken layout comes from the github branch
[14:07] <dholbach> oh ok
[14:08] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/just-one-rawhtml-plugin/+merge/292490 should be ready now
[14:08] <dholbach> I'll try it out locally
[14:08]  * davidcalle looks
[14:09] <davidcalle> dholbach: oh, you merged the template fix :) <3
[14:20] <dholbach> davidcalle, the URLs also don't work for me locally
[14:20] <davidcalle> ouch
[14:20] <davidcalle> dholbach: what do the look like?
[14:20] <davidcalle> they*
[14:20] <dholbach> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/en/snappy/get-started/as-dev/16-04/step2-ubuntu-artik/ for example
[14:21] <davidcalle> hmm
[14:21] <davidcalle> Reload? :D
[14:25] <dholbach> just leaving the page as it is and clicking on the orange ">" takes me to: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/en/snappy/get-started/as-dev/16-04/step2-ubuntu-rpi2/
[14:29] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'm setting it up locally, will fix in a moment
[14:29] <dholbach> <3
[14:29] <dholbach> maybe we should ask for a deployment once we're done with what we want to fix?
[14:30] <dholbach> so we can at least turn on the other imports on Monday
[14:30] <davidcalle> dholbach: yep!
[14:30] <dholbach> and then discuss with didrocks what needs fixing in snappy-dev-website
[14:30] <davidcalle> sounds good, yes.
[14:31] <davidcalle> dholbach: is the generate step supposed to take a lot of time?
[14:32] <dholbach> some time
[14:32] <davidcalle> dholbach: ok, looks like it failed because I didn't have a get-started page
[14:34] <dholbach> oh?
[14:35] <davidcalle> dholbach: yeah, worked now
[14:45] <davidcalle> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/en/snappy/get-started/as-dev/16-04/stepNaN
[14:45] <davidcalle> lol
[14:46] <dholbach> ouch :)
[14:55] <davidcalle> dholbach: pushed
[14:55] <dholbach> shall I merge from your branch again or where did you push it?
[14:57] <davidcalle> dholbach: I was trying to push on your branch and wondering why it wasn't working :) I just pushed it on mine
[14:58] <dholbach> haha
[14:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'll wait for your +1 after the Q&A to merge, stage, rt, etc. Will you have time to try it?
[15:00] <dholbach> it works!
[15:01] <dholbach> pushed it to my branch
[15:01]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[15:01] <davidcalle> Yay
[15:02] <dholbach> nice work!
[15:02] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[15:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: thank you!


[00:29] <nicklas_> yo
[00:53] <nicklas_> (K)
[00:54] <nicklas_> what desktop you guys use?
[01:06] <jman888_pleasehe> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/jsl99944704/Screenshot.png
[01:06] <jman888_pleasehe> Can anybody explain that for me?
[01:46] <ron_o> why does not my x restart when I hit alt+cntrl+backspace ?
[01:46] <ron_o> why doesn't xubuntu have a keyboard shortcut for that from the getgo?
[01:51] <ron_o> I'll try this: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:55] <ron_o> that command didn't work. It just screwed up x and it wouldn't restart.
[01:55] <ron_o> my main problem is for some reason when my computer starts the resolution is larger than what is claimed by xubuntu config...
[01:56] <ron_o> sometimes I have to restart it more than once in order to for the resoluton to reset properly. It usually gets screwed up because of a system crash.
[02:11] <TheSheep> try this: xrandr --auto
[02:11] <TheSheep> you can bind it to some key
[02:12] <TheSheep> on another note, try putting your monitor's sync ranges into xorg.conf
[02:13] <ron_o> thanks..
[02:13] <ron_o> so that command will do the trick?
[02:22] <TheSheep> no idea, bt it won't hurt to try
[02:22] <TheSheep> it might autodetect the display wrong
[02:22] <TheSheep> btw, you can enable the alt+ctrl+backspace in xorg.conf too
[04:35] <forces> saluton
[04:36] <maduser> yo
[06:01] <KoshB5> I can log in but then it hangs on a blue screen w/just mouse pointer. What's going on?
[06:01] <KoshB5> useing Jaunty
[06:03] <TheSheep> I'd tell you to press alt+ctrl+backspace, except they removed it in Jaunty to not confuse users, so it won't work
[06:04] <maduser> why did they remove that, it was great in case the computer failed to shutdown
[06:04] <KoshB5> it's driving me crazy. The install went fine. Just ran into this glitch after a reboot
[06:05] <KoshB5> ctrl+alt+del gets you to the change user screen
[06:09] <TheSheep> maduser: I think someone once tried to assign a keybinding to that combination and was surprised it restarted X
[06:09] <maduser> they would that far for a single person?
[06:11] <maduser> nm
[06:11] <TheSheep> you know, behind every submitted bug there are ten people who didn't bother submitting a bug
[06:11] <maduser> true
[06:12] <TheSheep> you can enable it in xorg.conf
[06:13] <maduser> yeah
[06:56] <kromar> hi
[06:57] <kromar> i want to install xubuntu again, is there any compability issue with the 64bit version?
[07:00] <kromar> i want to install xubuntu again, are there any compability issues with the 64bit version?
[08:19] <marcPV> hi, anyone can help me? I can't mount a new partition while I installed another linux, I don't even see it in Thunar
[08:26] <Kraut22> I need a little help getting the wireless internet card to work on an old aspire after just putting on xubuntu
[08:53] <lesshaste> what's the minimum ram for booting the live cd for xubuntu?
[08:58] <Lybija> aloha
[09:36] <kromar> hi, i installed gparted to get access to a ntfs drive, when installed it worked but after a reboot the ntfs drive doesent get loaded. whats the problem there?
[09:37] <kromar> ahh the my settings dont get saved again... can someone help me to fix that once more?
[09:41] <Lybija> sDicsoseges testvereim, Allah langfenyu phallusa lesujt a hitetlen ubuntu-s gyaur ebekre
[09:45] <gabkdlly> lesshaste: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[09:46] <gabkdlly> lesshaste: 192 MB
[09:46] <lesshaste> gabkdlly, very interesting.. someone just claimed the live cd wouldn't boot with 256
[09:46] <lesshaste> thanks
[09:47] <gabkdlly> lesshaste: I run on my laptop with 256 fine
[09:47] <lesshaste> gabkdlly, ok
[09:48] <lesshaste> no openoffice I am assuming :)
[09:48] <gabkdlly> lesshaste: when updatedb starts off, there can be some swapping happening
[09:49] <gabkdlly> lesshaste: I don't use open office much
[09:49] <lesshaste> unsurprising with 256MB :)
[10:07] <Allah_kegyeltje> Hozsanna
[10:09] <SiDi> hozsanna ?
[10:23] <psycho_oreos> has the issue with thunar/Thunar/gam_server been addressed to in 9.1?
[10:25] <Allah_kegyeltje> Da, Hozsanna dicsoseges tesverem
[10:25] <Allah_kegyeltje> SiDi brotha
[10:28] <SiDi> psycho_oreos, what issue is it ?
[10:28] <SiDi> Allah_kegyeltje, speak english please :|
[10:31] <Allah_kegyeltje> Okka
[10:31] <psycho_oreos> SiDi, I get issues with them using up CPU (mine is dualcore so its not fully affected) but often I cannot close the window or something... I did strace on it and have 1.1MB worth of log
[10:31] <psycho_oreos> the process thunar just hangs
[10:31] <SiDi> did you file a bug and attach the log ?
[10:32] <psycho_oreos> nope, I guess I should've done that? bleh
[10:32] <SiDi> yes :D
[10:32] <SiDi> Because we can't guess if something goes wrong on every user's machine ;)
[10:33] <psycho_oreos> I thought this was not a computer specific issue but I guess I could be wrong.. umm, bleh.. I'll check it out and file it.. was asking this before I migrate to 9.1
[10:33] <SiDi> 9.10 is still very unstable, you know
[10:34] <psycho_oreos> am also thinking of doing somewhat a clean install, on a much bigger hard drive, 20GB is way too small
[10:34] <psycho_oreos> jaunty? I thought karmic was even worse :)
[10:34] <SiDi> 9.10 is karmic
[10:34] <SiDi> 9.04 is jaunty
[10:35] <psycho_oreos> ahh I got messed up with numbers, apologies
[10:35] <SiDi> :p
[10:35] <SiDi> karmic is on alpha 2
[10:35] <SiDi> if you're not a ninja who doesnt care about killing his hardware and data, at least wait for the alpha 3: p
[10:36] <psycho_oreos> well 9.04 is my next move, I think I already have the image on my hard disk, and 250GB ide that I'll use instead of a puny 20GB.. the rest is probably migration + vmware p2v
[10:36] <psycho_oreos> lol
[10:36] <SiDi> btw
[10:36] <SiDi> check if your issue still occurs in jaunty
[10:37] <psycho_oreos> yeah I'm planning to go onto jaunty, ibex is nice but that was then :) I don't want to be too far behind
[10:37] <psycho_oreos> s/is/was
[10:37] <SiDi> try jaunty on a clean hdd with ext4 :p
[10:37] <SiDi> youll see how fast it is
[10:38] <psycho_oreos> lol ok
[10:38] <psycho_oreos> I hope the issue will be resolved, because before someone telling me about strace (and boy thank god he mentioned that, that tool is almost a godsend) I had to always do pkill
[10:39] <psycho_oreos> but yeah, report it, upgrade and we'll see
[10:39] <SiDi> upgrade, then check if its on jaunty
[10:39] <SiDi> then report ;)
[10:39] <psycho_oreos> er ok
[10:39] <SiDi> so you dont have to edit the report to say wether or not it also happens in jaunty
[10:39] <psycho_oreos> I thought the layout for bug tracking was similar to blogging?
[10:40] <SiDi> kind of
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> like you don't have to edit the main report but you can add it as a comment
[10:40] <SiDi> but its better if you do it all in once
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> ahh
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> ok
[10:40] <SiDi> less emails in xubuntu devs' inbox :D
[10:40] <psycho_oreos> lol
[10:42] <psycho_oreos> alright thanks for the input, once I get myself sorted out I'll upgrade and give it a run.. btw there's no shortcuts as to migration is there? I'm planning to not only dist-update from ibex to jaunty but I'm also going to swap out 20GB for 250GB.. I can do dd/cp as such but I'd rather not.. was hoping of someway I can retain the current profile to some extent (obviously /home would be copied rather than dd into an image) but are the
[10:42] <psycho_oreos> re any other things I have to also be aware of?
[10:43] <SiDi> if you have a separate home i suppose you can just copy your home folder with gparted
[10:43] <SiDi> but if you copy the system folder, you may have to edit /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst to make sure they dont use UUID to identify partitions
[10:56] <psycho_oreos> well no what I meant was the way I themed my desktops as such, all the personal preferences.. I suspect they are all in /home directory but I can't be too sure, especially autostart apps, before I knew you could add it in through GUI, I had to go into /etc/xdg/..
[12:35] <utomega> hi
[12:36] <vinnl> !hi
[12:37] <utomega> I have forgot my root password, last time is used xubuntu was long time ago, I barely remember how to do things in xubuntu, is there a way to set a new password?
[12:37] <SiDi> Its your user's password, utomega
[12:37] <SiDi> use sudo
[12:37] <vinnl> Well... The root user shouldn't have a password you know
[12:39] <utomega> weird, I know my user's password, in terminal I typed su -/ su and entered it but authentication failed
[12:39] <vinnl> utomega, that's because your user can do root stuff with sudo, but you can't use the root user with su
[12:39] <vinnl> *shouldn't
[12:42] <utomega> thanks, sudo helped
[12:42] <vinnl> !sudo
[12:43] <vinnl> There's some more information if needed :)
[12:43] <utomega> thank you :)
[13:12] <karel> huh, I seem to have another problem, I updated my nvidia drivers (173>180) with synaptic package manager, and restarted my pc, now I get errors before the login screen, errors like: Failed to load module "type1" and Failed to detect devices, if I remember correctly, any advice? Can't run Wolf:ET and when I open the NVIDIA X Server Settings it says that i'm not using the NVIDIA X driver
[13:27] <SiDi> karel, remove any nvidia-glx driver in synaptic
[13:27] <SiDi> then go to the Hardware Drivers window in Apps -> System
[13:28] <SiDi> and use this one to install the drivers
[13:28] <SiDi> very likely the 18x are not compatible with your GPU and you should keep the 173
[13:29] <karel> okay, thanks, i'm updateing my xubuntu to 9.04 atm, maybe this will help
[15:02] <KoshB5> !strace
[15:08] <vidd> why does the "restart" icon in the task bar cause your session to save even when you have selected "do not save session"?
[15:12] <pandi2456> hi
[15:12] <vinnl> !hi
[15:13] <pandi2456> if the folder of cd rom on the root is empty are that mean my cd is broken or the drive is unmounted ?
[15:13] <pandi2456> doh.. i can't read my cd :(
[15:14] <vinnl> Ehm, what is the folder of the cd rom according to you?
[15:14] <pandi2456> file system and there is a sign like a arrow
[15:14] <pandi2456> :D
[15:14] <pandi2456> write on the folder is cdrom
[15:16] <vinnl> If the CD-ROM is in the CD drive, it should be listed on the left of the File Manager screen.  I'm not too familiar with the mount command, but perhaps if you click on Filesystem, then on media and then on cdrom0 that you will be able to find the contents of the CD
[15:35] <pandi2456> sorry for the long time
[15:35] <pandi2456> yeah it's work
[15:36] <pandi2456> i have re inserted the cd ... seems my cd is broken :(
[15:41] <vidd> vinnl, if he comes back...ask him to try a different cd =]
[15:42] <vinnl> Yeah and to tyr the same CD on a different computer ;-)
[15:42] <vidd> or try the cd in another computer
[15:42] <vidd> =]
[15:42] <vinnl> Only, I'm leaving myself now, so... :)
[15:42] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:10] <gumbotron> any1 here
[17:28] <KoshB5> Idid an alt Jaunty install. It went fine. However; upon restart, after the login screen all I get is a bule screen with a mouse curser
[17:30] <KoshB5> I've tried reseting the graphics xfe config and no change
[18:15] <SiDi> KoshB5, it's because of the Mesa drivers
[18:15] <SiDi> the latest version seems to conflict with xfce4-session, we don't really know why
[18:15] <SiDi> you can try an install and not do the updates (not the mesa ones at least)
[18:31] <FabParma>  /msg NickServ identify <password>
[18:31] <FabParma> hi
[18:33] <FabParma> I am unable to create links of programs (icons) on Xbuntu. Can You explain me how to please?
[18:41] <SiDi> Right click -> send to -> desktop (create link)
[18:42] <SiDi> Or better : copy /usr/share/applications/yourapp.desktop to the Desktop folder
[18:42] <SiDi> Depending on wether you want a true link or a "shortcut"
[18:54] <FabParma> SiDi: My Xubuntu dont have the function you descrobed: "Right click -> send to -> desktop (create link)" This is the point
[18:56] <SiDi> What version is it ?
[18:57] <SiDi> FabParma,  ^
[18:58] <Algyz> Hi guys
[18:58] <FabParma> SiDi: the latest im just installing 20 new updates, i hope they can change the scenario
[18:58] <Slonkie> !hi | Algyz
[18:58] <Algyz> I have strange question :)
[18:59] <Slonkie> !question | Algyz
[18:59] <KoshB5> SIDI: I rebooted before doing any updates or installs
[18:59] <SiDi> KoshB5, what GPU ?
[19:00] <SiDi> FabParma, send me a screenshot of a right click on a file in the file manager, please
[19:00] <KoshB5> using an ATI card
[19:00] <SiDi> KoshB5, an ati one without proprietary drivers ?
[19:00] <Algyz> Why it could be, that using 9.04 comp is randomly freezing, like after every 2-5 hours, but it is going well under 8.04.1 and under FreeBSD 7.2? Could it be because of ext4 partitioning or rather because of some extra tools in 9.04?
[19:01] <SiDi> Apparently it mostly happens with cards that fallback on the mesa driver (the default one)
[19:01] <KoshB5> SiDi: using what xubuntu put in.
[19:01] <SiDi> Algyz, it could be something in xfce 4.6
[19:01] <FabParma> SiDi: ok, i tried as well with "drag 'n' drop" with not succes. Now I prepare the screenshot
[19:01] <Algyz> Hardware is pretty old, like ~5 years, but 8.04 is running well
[19:02] <Algyz> Oh well (not well) XfCE 4.6? :-/
[19:02] <SiDi> Algyz, is there a way for you to open up the system monitor and regularly check the ram of the programs ?
[19:02] <Algyz> Now I have 4.4.2, but is 4.6 really can freeze comp?
[19:02] <SiDi> apart from firefox, nothing should grow up in memory
[19:02] <KoshB5> sidi: the motherboard is 10 yrs old
[19:02] <SiDi> Algyz, if youre on 9.04 then you're on 4.6
[19:02] <Algyz> not memory, just freezing :|
[19:03] <SiDi> Algyz, maybe there is a bug noone fell into yet. Thats why i ask you
[19:03] <Algyz> Yeah, I know it :)
[19:03] <SiDi> Algyz, freezing can mean out of memory :)
[19:03] <Algyz> Nope
[19:03] <Algyz> Seems this thing was ok
[19:03] <Algyz> I have no idea why freezing was happening :|
[19:04] <Algyz> 9.04 was not working ok, 8.04 is :)
[19:04] <Algyz> I've been cheking in top
[19:06] <Algyz> 384MB SDRAM here, not the newest comp, but Xubuntu is targetting into such hardware :)
[19:06] <kromar> why do i only have 3.8gb ram on the 64 bit system when i have 4gb installed?
[19:06] <SiDi> kromar, dont know
[19:06] <kromar> hm strange
[19:07] <Slonkie> Maybe your GFX eating some of your memory
[19:07] <SiDi> Algyz, it should be ok. The only possibilities are : 1) an app has a leak and takes all your ram little by little ||| 2) your gpu driver sucks
[19:07] <SiDi> kromar, i dont know but cody-somerville and i have the same problem :p
[19:07] <Algyz> hmm, it shouldn't :|
[19:07] <SiDi> Algyz, indeed it shouldnt :D
[19:07] <cody-somerville> Algyz, I believe some is reserved for the kernel or something
[19:08] <Algyz> At least, how install newer mplayer in 8.04.1, also vlc, they are pretty old, and btw, I don't have sound in smplayer, despite I have it in mplayer :)
[19:10] <Algyz> Probably I'd be happy with smplayer, but no sound :(
[19:10] <Algyz> Vlc, totem, they have, but playing, let's say, not okay always
[19:10] <Shiandar> Okay, I have an installation of Xubuntu about a year old.  The video card died, and I have to use a spare one for now.  I know the card works because it's just fine on a different machine with the same install.  But I don't know why the resolution stinks even after activating the proprietary drivers.
[19:10] <Shiandar> Would burning and installing the latest release just "fix it?"  Or is there a way I can transfer the configuration?  Maybe I'm missing a command somewhere.
[19:11] <Algyz> If they want to play H264-720p, then it's not okay :(
[19:11] <cody-somerville> Shiandar, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:11] <Shiandar> Okay, back shortly.
[19:12] <SiDi> !restricted
[19:12] <Algyz> Totem is playing, but sometimes there are slides, stopping for a moments
[19:13] <SiDi> Read this Algyz
[19:13] <SiDi> you need xubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:13] <Algyz> I have
[19:13] <Algyz> The intereting thing that mplayer has sound, but not smplayer :D
[19:14] <Algyz> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras, this thing done
[19:16] <Algyz> Despite this, when opening with this old vlc view is lagging
[19:18] <Algyz> Well, let's try mediubuntu repository
[19:20] <Algyz> AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused
[19:20] <Algyz> :(
[19:21] <Algyz> And then too many video packets in the buffer :(
[19:22] <Shiandar> cody-somerville: Okay, went through that configuration wizard.  Reboot.  The bootup splash screen with Xubuntu logo and progress bar is the proper resolution.  But then I see "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)" flash three times and I'm sent back to "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode."
[19:39] <kromar> where can i get the flash player for 64bit?
[19:52] <kromar> You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder "file:///usr/lib/opera/plugins"
[19:52] <kromar> how can i extract them there?
[19:52] <kromar> why dont i have rights as admin?
[20:06] <Algyz> kromar: are you an admin?
[23:01] <kromar> why arent my seetings saved when i reboot my system?
[23:02] <vinnl> kromar, are you running an installed system?
[23:02] <kromar> yes
[23:03] <vinnl> Which settings are you talking about? Are your documents saved?
[23:03] <kromar> when i relog everything is as i set it but when rebooting i have to reasign desktop wallpaper, audio library sound settings and so on
[23:03] <SiDi> kromar, did you run any app with sudo lately ?
[23:04] <kromar> not that i know of
[23:04] <kromar> the only sudo i used was to move a plugin file
[23:05] <vinnl> Hmm, that's really odd. Again, are you documents still present?
[23:05] <kromar> i had the same problem some month ago and someone told me to delete the file where the settings are stored so it would be created again and that worked fine. any idea where i can find that file?
[23:05] <vinnl> I believe ~/.config
[23:08] <SiDi> sudo chown <yourname> .config -R
[23:08] <SiDi> that should make it yours again
[23:08] <SiDi> and then it _should_ work :|
[23:09] <kromar> gona reboot and see if that worked...
[23:12] <kromar> nope didnt work... reseted again
[23:14] <SiDi> :|
[23:15] <kromar> that sucks:/
[23:15] <SiDi> yes it does
[23:15] <vinnl> kromar, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[23:16] <kromar> 9.04 / 2.6.28-13 64bit
[23:16] <SiDi> Dont hesitate filing a bug on launchpad.net, this way it'll have more audience. I really cant help you on this :/
[23:16] <SiDi> i dont think its a kernel issue though :)
[23:16] <SiDi> do you know if it happens with other user accounts ?
[23:17] <kromar> i dont have other accounts... its a fresh install
[23:17] <SiDi> the fs is not ntfs/fat32 ?
[23:17] <SiDi> And i dont think you answered vinnl, are documents you create saved too after a reboot ?
[23:17] <kromar> the system is ext3 or something like that and the drive where the music and the pics are is ntfs
[23:18] <SiDi> your home is in ext3, 100% sure ?
[23:18] <kromar> how do you mean if documents are saved?
[23:18] <kromar> yes 100%
[23:18] <SiDi> if you create a document and save it in /home
[23:18] <SiDi> does it still exist after reboot ?
[23:19] <kromar> dont know, gona try
[23:19] <kromar> rebooting again...
[23:19] <SiDi> thanks
[23:22] <kromar> the file is still in the /home/"user"/ dir
[23:22] <SiDi> thats annoying, cause it means i have no idea what your problem is :|
[23:24] <vinnl> Yeah I would go for reporting the bug, not sure against which package though
[23:25] <SiDi> against ubuntu :)
[23:25] <kromar> how do i get gparted to boot my ntfs drive at boot?
[23:25] <vinnl> SiDi, that's the project, but which package? :)
[23:25] <SiDi> kromar, its not gparted that does it, its fstab :)
[23:25] <vinnl> kromar, Gparted doesn't boot anything
[23:26] <SiDi> !fstab
[23:26] <SiDi> vinnl, no package till we dont know what it is ^_^
[23:26] <SiDi> kromar, another user had this in #ubuntu and reinstalled :|
[23:26] <kromar> so i dont need gparted when i have a ntfs drive?
[23:26] <SiDi> kromar, no, gparted is like partition magic
[23:26] <SiDi> its a piece of software for formatting partitions
[23:26] <SiDi> kromar, did you check the integrity of your Live CD before using it to install ?
[23:27] <kromar> i had the same problem when i installed the system the last time so i dont think reinstalling will help
[23:27] <vinnl> SiDi, that's possible? Ah :)
[23:28] <kromar> the cd is 8.10 or so and that works just fine. the problem occures after upgrading to 9.04
[23:28] <SiDi> kromar, so it must be something during the upgrade
[23:28] <vinnl> Then it might very well be Xfce 4.6 that is the problem
[23:28] <vinnl> Or that :)
[23:29] <SiDi> kromar, can you go to Apps -> Parameters -> session and boot (or something similar :p)
[23:29] <kromar> so you all use 9.04 without problems?
[23:29] <SiDi> and tell me if "xfconf migration script" is amongst autostarting apps
[23:29] <vinnl> Actually, I got 8.10 at home :P
[23:29] <SiDi> kromar, yeh, thousands of people use 9.04 without problems :d
[23:29] <vinnl> But I'm using 9.04 from USB drive here :)
[23:29] <vinnl> SiDi, heh, that might just be it, good thinking
[23:30] <kromar> SiDi: its there but unmarked
[23:30] <vinnl> Then that's not it :(
[23:30] <SiDi> kromar, can you type ps aux | grep xfconf and confirm xfconfd runs ?
[23:31] <SiDi> also, (re)move .config/xfce4 so that it'll make your old and new settings unavailable and start with fresh settings (i think the issue could be that it resets your 8.10 settings everyboot without your consent)
[23:33] <kromar> SiDi: that ps aux.. gives some numbers and such things... no clue if thats how its supposed to be
[23:33] <vinnl> !paste
[23:33] <SiDi> look on the right side
[23:33] <kromar> SiDi: so i can delete the xfce folder and reboot to start clean?
[23:33] <SiDi> it lists the processes ran on the system
[23:34] <SiDi> kromar, yes but go to ctrl+alt+f1, login, type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm/stop and then remove it from there
[23:34] <SiDi> otherwise the settings will be rewritten by xfce cause your session is open
[23:35] <kromar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/200361/
[23:37] <SiDi> ok so it runs
[23:37] <SiDi> so thats not the issue :p
[23:37] <SiDi> can you paste "ls -lR .config/xfce" please ?
[23:37] <kromar> do i also need to remove the xfce4-session folder?
[23:38] <kromar> No such file or director
[23:38] <kromar> y
[23:39] <SiDi> can you paste "ls -lR .config/xfce*" please ?
[23:39] <SiDi> sorry
[23:42] <kromar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/200364/
[23:43] <SiDi> everything is alright here...
[23:43] <SiDi> I think you really should file a bug :|
[23:43] <SiDi> Thats extremely weird
[23:44] <kromar> im gona try what happens if i delete the xfce folder...
[23:45] <vinnl> Of course, in the end it will turn out to be a very simple issue :P
[23:45] <SiDi> i dont think so
[23:46] <SiDi> it looks like data he writes on his hdd isnt actually written, just pending... data is actually written every 1 or 2 mins (or something similar) to avoid using the HDD too much
[23:46] <SiDi> and it could be that he has a completely broken value
[23:46] <SiDi> but why would that file have been saved ?
[23:46] <SiDi> unless it writes when files are created in the fs but not when they're modified, but does it really make sense ? (it doesnt :p :p)
[23:46]  * SiDi is lost
[23:55] <kromar> ok im giving up.. if i download the latest liveCD and install that one it should work, right?
[23:55] <SiDi> it should
[23:56] <SiDi> you're the second (of millions of users) whose i know to have the issue
[23:56] <kromar> and the other fixed it by reinstalling?
[23:59] <kromar> so about booting ntfs drives... how is this done exactly?


[14:37] <Kilos> neo ubuntulog is here
[15:45] <inetpro> well done Kilos!
[15:45] <Kilos> what now?
[15:45] <inetpro> it's even logged now as well, so you may want to change the topic above
[15:45] <inetpro> see: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02/09/%23ubuntu-africa.html
[15:45] <Kilos> whew
[15:47] <Kilos> cool
[15:47] <Kilos> we getting there
[16:40] <Kilos> so who has contacts in nigeria
[17:36] <superfly> well done Kilos!
[17:36] <Kilos> ty superfly
[20:01] <Kilos> hmm...


[03:29] <openstackgerrit> Nate House proposed openstack/cloud-init: [WIP] Refactoring and addressing review comments  https://review.openstack.org/239807
[03:36] <openstackgerrit> Nate House proposed openstack/cloud-init: [WIP] Adds ConfigDrive datasource.  https://review.openstack.org/234857
[03:45] <openstackgerrit> Nate House proposed openstack/cloud-init: [WIP] Adds ConfigDrive datasource.  Throwing this out there for some initial feedback.  https://review.openstack.org/234857
[09:52] <mwak> Hey smoser
[09:54] <mwak> I just updated the PR, everything should be ok.
[12:44] <smoser> mwak, will take a look. thanks.
[12:44] <smoser> mwak, link ?
[12:46] <niluje> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~edouardb/cloud-init/scaleway-datasource/+merge/274861
[14:30] <natorious> I'd updated that config drive mounter decorator which should be somewhat working and looked into making similar for windows using ctypes
[14:32] <natorious> with it being alot more lines than just single calls using ctypes.windll.kernel32, it might make more sense to move it into the osys.windows.OSUtil path
[14:35] <natorious> but then as written, it might make more sense to have linux share a base.OSUtils of their own and have each linux distro inherit from that linuxbase.OSUtils
[14:35] <natorious> still digging though
[14:46] <natorious> I'd looked at moving over the util.subp method too and think its needing to be cleaned up a bit
[14:57] <Odd_Bloke> natorious: I would suggest writing a new subp that does precisely what you need it to do, rather than porting over a bunch of parameters which we aren't using anywhere.
[15:06] <natorious> Odd_Bloke: think so too.  Last week someone had mentioned pull it from 0.7 but it seems better to pull ideas from
[19:56] <elro> Is cloud-init responsible for bringing up network interfaces on Ubuntu running on ec2? The Wily images are not currently working on c4 instances as the network interface does not come up. More info in this thread: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=682962
[20:51] <smoser> elro, cloud-init does not bring them up
[20:52] <smoser> they come up as part of normal boot due to /etc/network/interfaces
[20:52] <smoser> thank you for reporting, i'll forward along.
[20:53] <elro> smoser: I reported it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1510345 but was not sure which package to associate it with
[20:53] <smoser> i'll triage. thank you.
[20:53] <smoser> pllease feel free to ping me if you ever see something like that
[20:53] <smoser> also utlemming or rcj would be good if i'm not listening
[20:54] <elro> thanks
[21:29] <elro> Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1449318 is still a problem on 15.10. When the runcmd errors the power-state-change does not take effect and the instance is not powered off.


[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <eagle_egypt> hey
[07:38] <lordievader> o/
[10:05] <squid_squad> anyone here
[10:30] <hateball> Surely
[10:30] <hateball> !ask | squid_squad
[10:31] <squid_squad> sorry, i tried the other day and waited for hours with no suggestions or help so i just left a simple question to test the waters
[10:32] <squid_squad> okay, so i just installed the latest release of kubuntu and i cant connect to the internet
[10:34] <squid_squad> i click on the wifi, choose my network, and then enter the correct password. the system works to connect and then just drops the connection
[10:35] <hateball> squid_squad: in a terminal, run "dmesg" and see if there's any output related to wifi
[10:35] <hateball> if you need help looking at it you can pastebin
[10:35] <hateball> !paste
[10:48] <squid_squad> what exactly am i looking for when it comes down to wifi
[10:48] <hateball> de-auth messages or any error messages in general
[10:48] <hateball> like I said, pastebin and we can all have a look
[10:49] <hateball> as well as a pastebin of your chipset/module with "lspci -k"
[10:50] <squid_squad> okay hold on
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[20:24] <user|19896> good evening, is somebody here who can help with kubuntu 17.04 and fast roaming for intel wifi cards ?
[21:18] <[Relic]> in 14.04 is there a way to change the wall paper and keep it that image instead of going back to that Elarun directory overwriting the rc file every time?
[21:38] <[Relic]> Why the hell does this thing keep rewriting the wallpaper image information in the rc file and keep overriding the existing information no matter how many times I try to over write it?