[04:01] <blackboxsw> community-notice: cloud-init 22.2-0ubuntu1~22.10.1 (Accepted) we can expect to see 22.2 in Ubuntu kinetic in the next day or two
[12:52] <Rike> Can we help me start cloud init in vCloud (centOS7). I install pen-vm-tools, cloud-init and run terraform apply. guest_properties {"user-data" = base64encode(templatefile("cloud-config.yaml", { hostname = "test" }))}. What am I doing wrong?
[12:59] <aciba> Rike: There should be more info about the error in the logs. Could you please inspect/share them? Run `cloud-init collect-logs` within the instance to do so.
[13:22] <Eighth_Doctor> falcojr: do you know when we're going to have a new release?
[13:22] <Eighth_Doctor> I'd like to update the Fedora package and get the RHEL folks to sync from us with the new patches in place
[13:23] <Eighth_Doctor> oh damn
[13:23] <Eighth_Doctor> we missed the cutoff for 22.2
[13:24] <falcojr> Eighth_Doctor: Yeah, we just released 22.2 :/
[13:24]  * Eighth_Doctor groans
[13:25] <Eighth_Doctor> is there some kind of public release schedule?
[13:25] <Eighth_Doctor> because I'd really like to make sure we can land things on time
[13:25] <falcojr> Eighth_Doctor: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/cloud-init-2022-release-schedule/25413
[13:25] <falcojr> also, if you subscribe to the cloud-init mailing list, we do send out an announcement a week or so before release
[13:26] <Eighth_Doctor> I guess I'll do that too
[13:26] <Eighth_Doctor> that'll be useful
[13:26] <Eighth_Doctor> I'm working on some patches to add `/usr` path for cloud.cfg files
[13:28] <Eighth_Doctor> falcojr: aside from the RHEL team making things a little difficult for using template generator for cloud.cfg, the lack of a place in /usr means that it's difficult to ship cloud-init config snippets as packages in a model where we can have /etc "reset"
[13:31] <falcojr> Eighth_Doctor: so what would you want put in /usr vs /etc ?
[13:31] <Eighth_Doctor> the stuff we ship in the package as `/usr/share/cloud-init/cloud/cloud.cfg` and have a directory `/usr/share/cloud-init/cloud/cloud.cfg.d` for packaged snippets
[13:32] <Eighth_Doctor> then `/etc` hierarchy would be free for admins
[13:33] <falcojr> Eighth_Doctor: gotcha, yeah, that makes sense
[13:33] <Eighth_Doctor> it's too troublesome to have a mixture of packaged and admin stuff in /etc
[13:33] <Eighth_Doctor> bad things keep happening when my users try to customize things
[13:33] <Eighth_Doctor> now that the RHEL team agreed to use the templates, this problem is easier for me to solve
[13:34] <Eighth_Doctor> (fwiw, this is why I didn't try changing the templates before)
[13:40] <Eighth_Doctor> falcojr: uhh, it looks like the tests don't work anymore :(
[13:40] <Eighth_Doctor> "fixture 'mocker' not found" errors in Rawhide
[13:41] <falcojr> Eighth_Doctor: we added a dependency on pytest-mock
[13:41] <falcojr> build/test time dependency
[13:42] <Eighth_Doctor> already, adding and running again
[13:46] <Eighth_Doctor> falcojr: updated to 22.2: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/cloud-init/c/a32e90573fe22f4d133c40c664cc42eaf6e476c3
[13:47] <falcojr> nice
[14:06] <ryland> What would the best way to get a newer cloud-init package into RHEL8? Build it myself? Or is there a repo for RHEL8 out there already? I just recently made the jump from RHEL7 und RHEL8, so I am not yet familiar with the new package repos, using AppStream etc
[14:07] <Rike> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/aad0468803f0abe9239992038a38f721/image.png
[14:07] <Rike> aciba
[14:08] <Rike> I noticed that when creating Enable guest customization, it is disabled. I'm tested on ubuntu, everything works there
[14:11] <Rike> How to enable the "Enable Guest Configuration" option when create VM ?
[16:03] <aciba> Rike: If you have access to that instance, could you please collect the logs, create bug report here: https://launchpad.net/cloud-init and attach the logs to the bug report? I think the info of your screenshot is not sufficient to determine what the problem is. thank you
[16:47] <ryland> Does anyone know, if it is possible, to use both, the new VMware datasource and the VMware customization together, at the same time? Can I merge the data somehow?
[16:47] <ryland> All my tests so far seem to indicate that its either one or the other
[17:04] <holmanb> ryland: unfortunately looks like vmware customization is an underdocumented feature
[17:07] <holmanb> ryland: no clue sorry
[17:07] <ryland> holmanb: If I go by https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/ovf.html, it seems that the vm customization via VMware tools is part of that OVF Datasource. Also, when I use an older version of cloud-init, that does not yet have the new VMware datasource, it shows that is uses OVF. So I think I could be good if i configure
[17:07] <ryland> "disable_vmware_customization: false" and then i only need to merge what I get from the datasources VMware and OVF (in that order)
[17:08] <ryland> But I am not 100% sure of course :D
[17:11] <holmanb> ryland: also the cloud-init team builds rpms for rhel/centos family distros and uploads to copr here: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/el-testing/
[17:12] <ryland> holmanb: thanks! i just build it myself. it was rather easy, the cloud-init team did a great job there
[17:12] <holmanb> ryland: that's good to hear :)
[17:13] <holmanb> of course, distro supplied versions will have distro-supplied patches / fixes / packaging changes / etc so it's your call what you think is best for you
[17:15] <ryland> yeah, its more important for me right now to get the new vmware datasource. the rhel8 package seems to be rather old, even the newest one
[17:18] <holmanb> ryland: nice :)
[17:26] <ryland> Mhhh. It looks like that cloud-init now ignores the vmware customization, even though it is enabled in the cloud-init config
[17:57] <blackboxsw> give a guy op and he just takes over :) thx holmanb for topic update
[17:58] <holmanb> heh :) no problem
[18:27] <blackboxsw> interesting bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1974062. I find myself wanting a bit more dynamic meta-data handling anyway from NoCloud. Something like that is almost possible, but there are some issues with timing and when to source jinja template variables etc before "rendering" such meta-data templates
[18:27] <blackboxsw> I'm trying to come up with some semblance of suggestions. While I'd like this feature, I think there is a bit of work to get there. 3-4 PRs maybe
[19:13] <blackboxsw> that feature bug is already getting  heat :)
[20:08] <blackboxsw> pulled the network v1 ipv4/ipv6 bug into selected for developmen https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1973724
[20:09] <blackboxsw> we should better handle this for direct networkd rendering
[22:16] <blackboxsw> falcojr: upload to ubuntu/jammy -proposed for SRU of 22.2 queued. you can merge your jammy PR and push tags whenever. going through impish focal bionic now
[22:21] <blackboxsw> impish good and uploaded to proposed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1466 can be git pushed upstream from the cmdline


[00:28] <idnar> hrm, my script is setting status on a bug task, but nothing appears to be happening :(
[00:30] <idnar> oh, I need to call lp_save I guess
[00:33] <idnar> yay, it works :)
[03:17] <nigel_nb> hi, is there documentation about launchpad polls some place that I can refer to
[03:17] <nigel_nb> apparently polls can only be set to open 12 hours after current time
[03:18] <nigel_nb> is that normal or is there some way to open it immediately?
[03:25] <nigel_nb> I asked a question a few minutes back on LP poll
[03:25] <nigel_nb> if anyone knows about it, can you please let me know..
[04:22] <Some_Person> Is it possible to delete a PPA?
[04:25] <micahg> Some_Person: a PPA can be disabled by an admin, but I don't think it can be deleted
[04:25] <wgrant> You can actually disable it yourself now.
[04:25] <noodles775> bug 392887
[04:25] <micahg> ah
[04:25] <micahg> good to know
[04:29] <spm> micahg: fwiw - it can be deleted if and only if it's never been used. not sure if that's spelt out in that bug (click-lazy today :-) )
[04:29] <micahg> spm: that bug actually links to another bug which shows it was fixed :)
[04:30] <spm> really? win!!! :-D
[04:31] <spm> Oh. that's the disabling; diff but related issue.
[04:32] <micahg> yeah
[05:05] <Some_Person> Ugh, what's with the launchpad build queue? It first said 22 minutes, then 21, then 22, then it kept going down to 13, and now it's back at 22
[05:05] <Some_Person> now 32
[05:06] <tsimpson> when people upload packages, the queue goes up, when packages are built, the queue goes down
[05:06] <noodles775> Some_Person, I'm guessing that some other jobs with a higher priority have been queued...
[05:14] <wgrant> Some_Person: That can also happen when a package takes longer to build than expected.
[05:14] <wgrant> All we can do is guess. But that's usually wrong.
[05:47] <Some_Person> I can't figure out why my package is failing to build
[05:47] <Some_Person> It works fine here
[05:56] <spiv> Some_Person: missing build-dep, maybe?  What's the error?
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/499751 does "fix committed" does not mean released right?
[10:41] <spiv> pmjdebruijn: right
[10:41] <spiv> pmjdebruijn: it's always possible that someone forgot to update the bug status, of course.
[10:42] <spiv> pmjdebruijn: but I would think in this case that that fix is not yet part of the production launchpad.
[10:45] <stub> pmjdebruijn: That is correct. It will be fixed released next rollout (when we change the filesize in the database to a bigint).
[10:47] <pmjdebruijn> ok great
[10:48] <pmjdebruijn> that will explain why my upload failed again
[10:48] <pmjdebruijn> I should have read better
[10:48] <pmjdebruijn> stub: thanks
[10:48] <pmjdebruijn> I noticed the rollout should be end of this month
[10:54] <obnox> hi
[10:55] <obnox> (how) can a question that is expired be un-expired?
[10:55] <tansell> whats the correct channel to ask questions about why a package was rejected from a PPA?
[10:56] <tansell> The only error I'm getting is "Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error."
[10:57] <wgrant> tansell: That's not the only error. Can you pastebin the email?
[10:58] <mithro> wgrant: http://pastebin.com/m372cc5b6
[10:58] <tansell> wgrant, I can't see another error there...
[11:01] <wgrant> tansell, mithro: Um, indeed. Let me look at that code to work out why.
[11:01] <wgrant> But I can see the problem.
[11:01] <tansell> oh?
[11:01] <tansell> if you can see the problem I can work on fixing that now too :)
[11:01] <wgrant> You cannot upload a version 1.0 source package with an orig.tar.bz2 -- it must be an orig.tar.gz.
[11:03] <tansell> shouldn't have lintian have caught that? :/
[11:04] <wgrant> It's technically valid in 1.0 sources, but no archive software accepts it.
[11:05] <wgrant> (it's also only supported by reasonably recent versions of dpkg)
[11:06] <tansell> wgrant, so how do I tell it to use a version 2.0 source package? :)
[11:06] <wgrant> tansell: 2.0 was sort of skipped. You could use 3.0 (quilt), but that's only supported in Ubuntu 10.04 and later.
[11:07] <wgrant> You should probably use a gzipped tarball instead.
[11:07] <tansell> okay
[11:07] <tansell> yeah - I'm trying to backport a 3.0 (quilt) package
[11:09] <wgrant> tansell: can you upload that problematic source package somewhere?
[11:09] <wgrant> It's not immediately obvious why the real error is not shown. I'll run it through locally tomorrow and see what happens.
[11:09] <tansell> wgrant, it's kinda large
[11:10] <wgrant> But now, sleep.
[11:14] <obnox> Hey folks, any hint on un-expiring questions in launchpad? Is is possibe, if so, how?
[11:21] <deryck> Hi, obnox.
[11:22] <deryck> obnox, by un-expiring, do you mean prevent it happening?  Or do you want to un-expire a particular bug (which is just really to change it's status back to something you prefer)?
[11:25] <obnox> hi deryck
[11:25] <obnox> deryck: it is not from the bug section but from the answers section
[11:26] <obnox> deryck: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tinyproxy/+question/88021
[11:26] <obnox> it expired after 15 days of inactivity
[11:26] <obnox> i was wondering whether there was a means for users to reactivate that question
[11:26] <obnox> I would like to pursue the issue
[11:27] <deryck> obnox, oh, sorry.  Didn't see you meant a question.  I didn't even know those expired.  Saw something "expiring" related and thoughts "bugs" :-)
[11:27] <obnox> but I couldn't find a "knob" to press on the interface
[11:27]  * deryck looks at the question
[11:29] <deryck> obnox, yeah, I'm afraid I won't be much help.  I assume someone responsible for tinyproxy could open it again.  Or an lp admin.
[11:29] <deryck> adeuring, do you know how ^^ ?
[11:29] <deryck> adeuring, and welcome to week-long CHR! ;)
[11:29] <adeuring> deryck: ;) let me look...
[11:30] <obnox> deryck: ok. responsible for the tinyproxy ubuntu package == MOTU
[11:31] <obnox> deryck: responsible for tinyproxy upstream == me (since recently) and another guy
[11:31] <obnox> deryck: so I wanted to look some into the ubuntu packaging, maybe participate
[11:32] <obnox> deryck: I started a project page yesterday https://launchpad.net/tinyproxy
[11:32] <obnox> still really learning how to use launchpad, how the ends fit together
[11:32] <deryck> obnox, yeah, I meant responsible for the package on lp.
[11:32] <obnox> ok, that is "MOTU"
[11:33] <deryck> obnox, but I would assume you could get that power since you are the upstream.  But like I said, I'm not that knowledgeable about the answers app.
[11:33] <deryck> I could look at the code, but I'm being lazy and hoping adeuring can answer your questions. ;)
[11:34] <obnox> deryck: ok thanks anyway!
[11:34] <obnox> let's wait what adeuring can say about it
[11:35] <obnox> either it is not possible at all, or there is a general scheme
[11:35] <deryck> obnox, np.  welcome to #launchpad, btw :-)
[11:35] <obnox> :)
[11:36] <obnox> i registered a while ago and joined the samba-team there to at least monitor samba issues in the ubuntu packages. not much intervention yet
[11:40] <adeuring> obnox: you can re-open a question by adding a comment and clicking the button "I'm providing more information"
[11:45] <adeuring> obnox: sorry, that should be "i still need an answer"
[12:33] <obnox> adeuring: thanks! (sorry for the delay - I was afk)
[12:34] <obnox> adeuring: does that only apply to the person who has asked the question?
[12:35] <obnox> adeuring: because I am only seeing the button "Just add a comment" on the expired Q
[13:08] <adeuring> obnox: yes. Other people can re-open the question again
[13:33] <obnox> adeuring: errr... s/can/can't/ ?
[13:33] <obnox> adeuring: or am I missing s/th in the web frontent
[13:36] <adeuring> obnox: err, yes, I meant can't...
[13:36] <obnox> ok :) thanks for the info
[15:04] <d1b> will it ever be possible to edit comments on bug reports/
[15:04] <d1b> ...
[15:08] <mars> d1b, there is a historic reason why.  deryck, ^ do you know why?
[15:09] <deryck> mars, I didn't know it was historic.  I thought it was just to not change the conversation, which is common in blogs, trackers, etc.
[15:10] <deryck> d1b,  mars -- and I don't think we would allow editing of comments in the future.
[15:10] <mars> deryck, ah.  I figured 'historic', as in, 'we made the decision to not change the conversation a while ago'
[15:10] <d1b> deryck: why not do what trac does
[15:10] <d1b> and other sane things :P
[15:10] <deryck> mars, right :-)
[15:10] <d1b> they let you edit it but show you the diff
[15:10] <d1b>  / diffs
[15:11] <deryck> d1b, I'm not sure what advantage this brings.  Most people ask for this feature to hide sensitive info and if the diff is accesible....
[15:11] <d1b> deryck: "most" ?
[15:12] <d1b> im asking because it means you don't have comments like "oh i meant Y "
[15:12] <maxb> d1b: I do not recall seeing this feature in trac. Can you point to an example installation which has that feature?
[15:12] <d1b> or i forgot " X"
[15:12] <d1b> maxb: sure
[15:12] <d1b> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/11111
[15:13] <deryck> d1b, yeah, but it's a heavy change to just clean up typos.  You still get spammed by bug mail telling of the edit.
[15:13] <d1b> deryck: i shouldn't
[15:13] <d1b> which is what id like to avoid.
[15:13] <deryck> d1b, I'm not saying we wouldn't do it, I'm just saying it's not likely to get done anytime soon (where soon == ever) :-)  given the number of other things on our plate.
[15:13] <d1b> oh look new comment!
[15:14] <d1b> wait a second that comment just says the other one is ...
[15:14] <d1b> kind of thing
[15:14] <deryck> d1b, but if someone filed the bug and did the work, certainly we would consider the patch.
[15:14] <maxb> d1b: Launchpad already allows editing the *description*
[15:14] <d1b> deryck: update set text ....
[15:14] <deryck> d1b, I understand, but IMHO, that's the long way around to avoid that.  And I'm not sure in practice adding the feature actually achieves what you want.
[15:15] <d1b> deryck: sure it does
[15:15] <d1b> it avoids confusion and clutter
[15:16] <deryck> d1b, you assume that we don't send mail on edits.  But if we don't by default, someone will complain that the bug had activity without being notified.  So we have to send the mail.  Then we have to do the work to make it configurable to not get the mail, which is really what you want.
[15:16] <d1b> deryck: sure it is.
[15:16] <d1b> go look at the monster bugs
[15:17] <d1b> in order to add ne winformation it must now go at the end
[15:17] <d1b> awesome!
[15:17] <d1b> like the bug with ipv6 regression
[15:17] <d1b> i keep getting emails and i can't even see the unsubscribe me from this bug report.
[15:17] <d1b> now that is annoying
[15:17] <deryck> d1b, bug number?
[15:18] <d1b> 417757
[15:18] <deryck> bug 417757
[15:18] <d1b> yes
[15:19] <deryck> was repeating for the link ;)
[15:21] <d1b> "I noticed using torrent software like qbittorrent (1.5.6) on Karmic (but
[15:21] <d1b> not on Jaunty) would kill all network functionality for _other_ software
[15:21] <d1b> for some minutes, and when up afterwards resolving connections the
[15:21] <d1b> network would be very sluggish"
[15:21] <d1b> wow that bug is really on bug topic
[15:21] <d1b> would be nice to have the slashdot commenting / point system lol
[15:21] <d1b> erh comment*
[15:23] <d1b> deryck: i can't see an method to unsubscribe from this bug in the email
[15:24]  * d1b labels new bug
[15:24] <deryck> d1b, who are you on Launchpad?
[15:24] <d1b> https://edge.launchpad.net/~d+b
[15:25] <d1b> i think i got pulled in with the rest of https://edge.launchpad.net/~ipv6
[15:25] <d1b> as some smart person put us on this bug
[15:26] <d1b> seriously would be useful to FILTER out comments now
[15:26] <d1b> there are still people providing useless crap.
[15:26] <d1b> "ve been experiencing intermittent slow browsing in Firefox 3.5 with
[15:26] <d1b> IPv6 enabled. It's much better than it was but there are periodic 3 to 4
[15:26] <d1b> second delays in loading web pages"
[15:26] <d1b> yah like every other person who commeneted before you.
[15:28]  * d1b end rant
[15:28] <mars> d1b, might be the comment thread structure.  IMHO that doesn't happen so much on stack overflow, where you can write a "Me too!" comment in reply to someone else, and it shows up immediately under the other.
[15:28] <mars> d1b, in other words, LP comment threads have heavy UI boilerplate around them, and it hides the conversation a bit.
[15:29] <deryck> d1b, so it seems to me your bothered by 80 comment cap before being able to comment, not being able to unsubscribe, and pointless comments.  I count only one "oops I meant this" type comment up until the 80 limit.
[15:29] <deryck> d1b, again, comment editing solves none of these issues.
[15:30] <d1b> deryck: i meant that
[15:30] <d1b> one could go back and add details later.
[15:30] <d1b> and then you could lock those except a few from making new comments.
[15:30] <d1b> mars: yes that is an issue.
[15:31] <d1b> deryck: there are people who say something then possibly if they could edit would have put it in the original comment.
[15:31] <d1b> deryck: also look at comment 20
[15:31] <d1b> sorry *
[15:31] <d1b> 21/ 22 /23 /24
[15:31] <deryck> d1b, right, I don't disagree with that point.  I just mean that the feature you say you want is not going to solve the problems you cite.
[15:32] <deryck> locking a bug is also another separate feature :-)
[15:32] <d1b> deryck: 23 would have gone in 22
[15:32] <d1b> 24 in 21
[15:33] <d1b> etc.
[15:33] <d1b> having reduced the number of new comments by 20% would be an improvement.
[15:33] <deryck> d1b, you assume the users will make these good decisions though.  :-)
[15:33] <d1b> deryck: i assume that the people coding it know better.
[15:34]  * mars wonders if Ubuntu bugs go through phases similar to Forming/Storming/Norming/Performing, but in miniature?
[15:34] <d1b> mars: lol.
[15:34] <deryck> d1b, what's your display name on LP?  Trying to find your subscription to help you unsubscribe.
[15:35] <d1b> deryck:  i pasted a link
[15:35] <d1b> https://edge.launchpad.net/~d+b
[15:35] <d1b> i paste a gain :P
[15:36] <deryck> d1b, I don't see that you are subscribed to Bug #417757.  What does the rationale say in the email's you get?  You must be in one of the subscribed teams.
[15:36] <d1b> deryck: correct
[15:36] <d1b> deryck: like i said above
[15:36] <d1b> ipv6team
[15:36] <deryck> ah, sorry, didn't see that.
[15:36] <d1b> tis fine i rant :P
[15:36] <d1b> made it hard to see.
[15:36] <deryck> d1b, so unfortunately, you can't unsubscribe without leaving the team or unsubscribing the team.
[15:37] <d1b> deryck: should i file that as a new bug now ?
[15:37] <deryck> d1b, this needs to be fixed.  and it's already a bug.
[15:37] <d1b> oh goody.
[15:37] <deryck> actually two or three or more bugs around this issue.
[15:37] <d1b> nice to see it is fixed.
[15:37] <deryck> d1b, no, it's not fixed now.  I said it *needs* to be fixed.
[15:38] <d1b> i note that the bug where you get redirected to edge and login twice isn't fixed yet either.
[15:38] <d1b> deryck: a joke :P
[15:39] <d1b> of course this is now problematic for me to find that bug, becaus eit is probably closed and thus will not show up on my bug page.
[15:39] <deryck> d1b, no worries. :-)  There are currently 1750 not fixed in Launchpad bugs app. ;)  But we're working on them, believe it or not.
[15:39] <d1b> leading me to point to another bug which isn't fixed but may now have suffered the same fate :(
[15:40] <deryck> d1b, I don't understand what "fate" you mean.  We don't close bugs if they're not fixed.
[15:40] <d1b> oh goody it isn't closed, it is just there since 2005 .
[15:41] <d1b> deryck: erh, "won't fix" / fixed.
[15:41] <d1b> i guess.
[15:41] <deryck> d1b, ah,yeah, we do occasionally mark won't fix.
[17:03] <merbit> I get an error timeout while retrying to build a package: OOPS-1472ED682
[17:04] <merbit> oh and.. happy new year everyone :)
[17:05] <merbit> hm.. looks like it's fixed now
[17:05] <adeuring> merbit: This OOPs is not yet in our OOPS database, so I can't give any real comments, but if it was a timeout, it may have been spurious
[17:06] <merbit> perhaps you're right, thanks adeuring :)
[17:10] <c_korn> hello, can someone tell me why this code snippet gives a HTTP 400 Bad Request error ? without the status="Fix released" it works fine: launchpad.projects["getdeb.net"].searchTasks(status="Fix released", order_by="-date_last_updated")
[17:14] <geser> c_korn: have you tried "Fix Released" (with an upper-case 'R')? else look if the http response contains any helpful hints
[17:15] <c_korn> geser: ah, the capital r was it. thank you!
[17:40] <c_korn> hm, how can I find out who marked the bug as fix released ? (may not necessarily the assignee)
[17:50] <geser> I guess you need to wait on bug #237934 as I didn't find anything in the API doc
[18:29] <qnix> hi, just got this error during my package build: make: dh_lintian: Command not found
[18:29] <qnix> on "plutonium". any idea?
[18:35] <ScottK> Probably using a release with a debhelper too old to have that command.
[18:36] <qnix> On hardy, debhelper is 6.
[18:36] <ScottK> Yep, too old.
[18:36] <qnix> debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_lintian
[18:37] <qnix> err, I have debhelper on this machine.
[18:37] <qnix> *7*
[18:38] <vish> hi folks... Bug #367626 has been closed for nearly a week but still lp hasnt updated the bug status , can someone update it or do i need to file a bug?
[18:38] <vish> closed *upstream* for nearly a week
[19:10] <adeuring> vish: This is a channel for Launchpad users. You might get more attention for example in #ubuntu -- I assume that there are quite some Ubuntu developers which don't read  this channel very carefully
[19:11] <vish> adeuring: i was told it was a bug in malone.. so i was hoping it would be simpler if someone fixed it than a bug... ;) anyways thanks
[19:13] <adeuring> vish: ah, sorry, didn#t read your message carefully enough. gmb, still around?
[19:13] <gmb> adeuring: Just about...
[19:13]  * gmb reads scrollback
[19:14] <gmb> vish: So, we're having problems syncing with gnome-bugs at the moment. We're aware of this suckage on our part and we're working to fix it. It's a problem of having 13,000+ bug watches against the gnome bugtracker and not checking all of them efficiently, amongst other things.
[19:15] <gmb> vish: Rest assured it is being worked on, though. We're updating our bug watch checking system to cope properly with the volume of watches.
[19:15] <vish> gmb: so , i can leave it as such? and it would be fixed later?
[19:15] <vish> gmb: ah thanks :)
[19:15] <gmb> vish: Yes.
[19:55] <SEJeff> Are there any lp devs here? I'm curious about loganberry.canonical.com which is hitting bugzilla.gnome.org really hard
[19:55] <SEJeff> and the request is: POST /xmlrpc.cgi HTTP/1.1
[19:57] <thumper> SEJeff: how hard is pretty hard?
[19:58] <SEJeff> thumper, Whatever it is doing is causing the memory usage of that apache child to go > 4G
[19:58] <thumper> oooo
[19:58] <SEJeff> It took down bugzilla.gnome.org earlier and we had to reboot it
[19:58] <elmo> ouch
[19:59] <elmo> SEJeff: I'll stop it talking to bugzilla.g.o
[19:59] <SEJeff> So I (as a member of the sysadmin team) would love for you to be gentler please
[19:59] <SEJeff> elmo, Thanks
[19:59] <elmo> SEJeff: as a workaround, until the relevant people can investigate it.  it's the LP 'bug watches' feature, I guess
[19:59] <thumper> SEJeff: there has been work on the script that does this
[19:59] <thumper> SEJeff: it should be gentler soon
[19:59] <thumper> SEJeff: I'll let the appropriate people know
[20:00] <SEJeff> elmo, thumper Thanks
[20:00] <SEJeff> We can log whatever you need if required, but we would rather not having the xen vm holding bugzilla tipping over because launchpad is beating it up :)
[20:04] <deryck> SEJeff, this is just now happening?  Or it's been hitting bugzilla hard for longer than the last few minutes/hour?
[20:04] <SEJeff> deryck, Well someone told me @ 10:50 Pacific time bugzilla.gnome.org was down
[20:05] <SEJeff> It died a horrible swap death.
[20:05] <SEJeff> That was the very first I'd heard of this problem.
[20:05] <SEJeff> Then we noticed 1 apache child growing quickly to over 2G and up to 4G so we restarted httpd several times. Then we updated the apache config to show mod_status.
[20:05] <bfiller> james_w, jml : can either of you guys help me with a launchpadlib usage problem?
[20:06] <SEJeff> We tracked down the query with apachectl fullstatus and looked for that pid
[20:06] <deryck> SEJeff, ok, very sorry.  We're trying to update our code that syncs with gnome's bugzilla, but we certainly shouldn't be hammering you.
[20:06] <jml> bfiller, quite possibly, although we aren't the only people on this channel who could :)
[20:06] <james_w> bfiller: sure
[20:06] <bfiller> trying to figure out how to get all of the related projects from a group using API, i.e. launchpad.net/~foo-group/+related-projects
[20:06] <SEJeff> deryck, Not a big deal, it happens. Just please don't let it continue happening :)
[20:07] <bfiller> I'm able to get all of the direct projects for a project_group but not indirect
[20:07] <deryck> SEJeff, yeah, definitely we'll stop. :-)  We should have notified you we were doing work, too.  Sorry again.
[20:07] <bfiller> jml: ok :)
[20:08] <SEJeff> deryck, No worries really. If you're doing something major like that again feel free to hop into #sysadmin on gimpnet and give a shout.
[20:08] <jml> bfiller, what do you mean "indirect"?
[20:08] <deryck> SEJeff, will do.  Thanks for the offer.
[20:09] <bfiller> jml: I guess I'm trying to figure out subteams that a team is a member of
[20:09] <jml> bfiller, oh right.
[20:10] <bfiller> jml: such that I can list the projects of both the team and all of it's parent teams
[20:11] <bfiller> jml: projects_group object represent team? I'm assuming so.
[20:11] <jml> bfiller, no, they don't
[20:12] <jml> bfiller, a project_group is a collection of projects, like gnome
[20:12] <jml> bfiller, a 'team' is a team.
[20:12] <bfiller> jml: ok, it was clear how to get a team then from the top level objects
[20:13] <jml> bfiller, somewhat confusingly, a person is also a lot like a team
[20:13] <jml> bfiller, and our generated API documentation blurs the difference even further: https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#team
[20:13] <jml> bfiller, sub_teams or super_teams might be what you want.
[20:13] <bfiller> jml: so would I use a search on the launchpad.person but give it a team name?
[20:14] <bfiller> jml: to get a handle to a team?
[20:14] <jml> bfiller, once you have a team, to get the teams that a team is a member of
[20:14] <jml> bfiller, to get a handle on a team, launchpad.people['team_name']
[20:15] <jml> bfiller, or, there are lots of other ways
[20:15] <bfiller> jml: makes sense, I didn't realize team was a subclass of person
[20:15] <jml> bfiller, it's complicated
[20:15] <jml> bfiller, and certainly not obvious from the API docs.
[20:16] <bfiller> jml: and then how would I get the projects associated with that team?
[20:17] <bfiller> jml: that's what I really want
[20:17] <jml> bfiller, hmmm.
[20:18] <jml> bfiller, what do you mean by "associated with"
[20:19] <bfiller> jml: the equivalent of https://edge.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-group/+projects (substitute whatever team instead of this one)
[20:19] <bfiller> jml: I guess "associated with"== projects that the team has access to
[20:25] <otto_sange> help question: when I run the command $ bzr branch lp:valo-cd
[20:25] <otto_sange> I get the error:Server does not understand Bazaar network protocol 3, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to avoid this.)
[20:25] <otto_sange> Server does not understand Bazaar network protocol 2, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to avoid this.)
[20:26] <otto_sange> bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Server is not a Bazaar server: Received bad protocol version marker: "error\x01Generic bzr smart protocol error: bad request u'bzr request 2'\n"
[20:26] <otto_sange> My end is Bzr 2.0 and the other end is of course Launchpad. nothing on google about this..
[20:26] <otto_sange> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 and a standard bzr installation.
[20:26] <jml> bfiller, sorry, someone in real life grabbed me
[20:27] <jml> bfiller, I don't think that the methods for getting ~team/+projects are exposed via the API. One second, I'll confirm it.
[20:27] <bfiller> jml: thanks
[20:30] <jml> bfiller, there's a method on IPerson named getOwnedOrDrivenPillars
[20:30] <jml> bfiller, which is _not_ exposed via the API
[20:31] <jml> bfiller, thinking...
[20:31] <otto_sange> anybody?
[20:31] <thumper> otto_sange: that is very weird
[20:31]  * thumper tries
[20:31] <bfiller> jml: any way to do lp.projects.search(list of project names)?
[20:32] <thumper> otto_sange: if you do `bzr --version` what do you get?
[20:32] <jml> bfiller, not really. the operation lp.projects['foo'] is really really cheap though
[20:32] <thumper> otto_sange: works for me
[20:32] <jml> bfiller, it appends 'foo' onto a URL
[20:32] <otto_sange> Bazaar (bzr) 2.0.0
[20:32] <jml> hmm. and maybe makes an https request :\
[20:32] <thumper> otto_sange: and if you do `bzr lp-login?
[20:33] <otto_sange> it returns correctly my user name. still the branching gives the same error message
[20:34] <bfiller> jml: actually that probably won't help, cause no way to map from list of teams to projects
[20:34] <thumper> otto_sange: do you have any known proxies between you and launchpad?
[20:34] <otto_sange> my bzr installation and conf are clean, so a reinstall can't help..? my ssh key work on other servers, so it should be fine and there are no known proxies
[20:35] <jml> bfiller, umm, yeah. so the thing to do is expose the relevant method
[20:35] <jml> bfiller, I can't see a work-around in the existing API.
[20:35] <otto_sange> the  "u'" in bad request u'bzr request 2'\n seems to be the UTF8-symbol in python. Could this be related to the fact that my system locale is Finnsih..?
[20:36] <bfiller> jml: thanks for you help, I'll file a bug/wishlist for that API to be exposed
[20:36] <jml> bfiller, thanks
[20:37] <thumper> otto_sange: I'm asking some bzr people
[20:38] <otto_sange> thumper: what is the proper traceroute command in Ubuntu nowadays? I could try to scan for a proxy..
[20:40] <thumper> otto_sange: you could try the full branch address
[20:40] <thumper> otto_sange: bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:45] <otto_sange> thumper: what is your python version? Mine is 2.6. If I remember correctly, the u' -thing is gone in 3.0.
[20:45] <thumper> otto_sange: my default is 2.6 as well
[20:46] <otto_sange> thumper: bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gives the same error.. :(
[20:47] <thumper> otto_sange: good, at least it is consistent
[20:47] <thumper> otto_sange: at this stage I'd ask on #bzr as the command works for me
[20:47] <thumper> otto_sange: and may be a locale issue
[20:47] <thumper> otto_sange: but I really have no idea
[20:47] <otto_sange> thumper: ok, I'll head there. Thanks anyway!
[20:47] <jml> bfiller, can you tell me the bug number please?
[20:48] <bfiller> jml: just filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/506127
[20:59] <jml> bfiller, thanks.
[21:12] <cyberix> When will the current edge become the actual version?
[21:15] <maxb> cyberix: https://dev.launchpad.net/Releases/2010Calendar
[22:31] <RenatoSilva> what if I have a large program with large translation work I want LP to help with, but the translations are copyrighted by MANY people?
[22:31] <RenatoSilva> Translations available in LP are given as BSD by the copyright owner, right?
[22:32] <RenatoSilva> But what if they are MANY? How can MANY copyright owners change the license
[22:32] <RenatoSilva> For example, Moin wants to use LP for translation, but can't because of licensing/copyright
[22:34] <RenatoSilva> Moin is GPL, why not block non-GPL-complatible projects from using Moin translations? That would be an easy solution
[22:36]  * RenatoSilva gtg, please /memo him for answers
[23:20] <toobaz_> Hello. This log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37747253/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.smss_1.1-2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz suggests me that something python-related is not installed... but I can't understand what, and other packages of mine with similar requirements, debian/rules and setup.py built perfectly...
[23:23] <geser> has this package of yours a debian/pyversions file?
[23:23] <toobaz_> no
[23:24] <geser> that's what it is complaining about
[23:24] <toobaz_> well, that's what I'm wondering about... gpapers and flickruploadr didn't neither
[23:24] <toobaz_> (in the same PPA)
[23:28] <toobaz_> (oh, by the way, the package builds perfectly in my karmic)
[23:31] <geser> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37189075/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.flickrupload_1.0.0-1~lucid_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz contains the same error
[23:32] <wahben> how do I delete a project from launchpad?
[23:32] <thumper> wahben: you ask a question on the launchpad project and someone will deactivate it
[23:32] <thumper> wahben: which project?
[23:33] <toobaz_> wow. this is sad. thanks, geser
[23:33] <wahben> thumper, thanks.. just a personal project that I decided I dont want to share code :p
[23:33] <thumper> wahben: I can disable if you tell me the name
[23:34] <wahben> thumper, zarb
[23:36] <wahben> thumper, thanks for your help, I like open source, the only thing is that I am afraid that my code is not "professional" enough to be part of the community yet...
[23:36] <thumper> there is a hell of a lot of code that is crap and open (not saying that yours is crap)
[23:37] <thumper> wahben: the project is still there, just not active
[23:38] <wahben> thumper, and if I deleted the branched, the code should not be avail anymore correct? ill re-upoad once its more finalized..
[23:39] <thumper> wahben: yes, if you have deleted the branch it is not accessable
[23:54] <maxb> toobaz_: It would appear that your package lacks a dependency on 'python'
[23:54] <toobaz_> maxb: mmh... yes, that's pretty essential, I feared it. I was just trying to cowbuild it...
[23:54] <toobaz_> thanks


[09:59] <Shitakeguy> hello
[10:48] <Pavlz> > i saw my own peronal e-mail: it's arrived a message that communicate to me: Free Software Foundation.Inc and GNU Software "25 years happy birthday" http://gnu.org
[12:22] <tsurc> Hi, I'm having a major problem with authentication on ubuntu 8.04 ltsp
[12:23] <tsurc> In the handbook I see than when using multiple servers you have to run 'sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys --export ssh_known_hosts.myhostname'
[12:24] <tsurc> and copy it into /opt/ltsp/ then run ltsp-update-sshkeys
[12:25] <tsurc> think is this isn't working, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts doesnt show any changes at all?
[13:32] <coolio> anybody home here
[13:33] <coolio> our dhcp fail to start
[13:33] <coolio> any tips
[14:57] <tsurc> This is going to sound crazy, but I need to change the gid of messagebus group on a dapper box, any idea how I'd do it without braking everything
[16:52] <moquist> ogra: ping


[05:43] <Mirv> hmm, what's the easiest way to run a single (make check) test in Unity?
[05:43] <Mirv> funny, though, the one test that failed yesterday doesn't fail anymore
[08:35] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: sorry i got sidetracked yesterday, what was the decision with https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/fix_panek_title_escaping_1067357/+merge/130111 ? Remove the "<b>" and what for the unit test?
[10:01] <MCR1> Hi :) Just FYI: After recent Updates to unityshell.xml.in (Ubuntu Unity Plugin) some manual tests have to be adjusted and corrected - I will do that, expect this to be finished in the next days... I will also try to improve the general style and readability of Unity's manual tests and fix other bugs and typos I've encountered there...
[10:05] <MCR1> I think quality of bug reports from the Testhouse should improve also, if the instructions for testing get better. In the process of fixing them I can learn more of Unity's features it seems as some of the tests reveal unknown and otherwise hidden Unity features to me 8-)
[10:05] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi :) FYI ^^
[10:06] <didrocks> MCR1: excellent work! keep those improvments coming :)
[10:06] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[10:06] <MCR1> didrocks: Sure, will do :)
[10:07] <MCR1> Compiz/Unity is getting better every day 8-)
[10:07] <didrocks> indeed!
[10:08] <MCR1> Although the GLES merge thingy was a shock 4 me initially :-D
[13:03] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: yeah, agree on removing the <b>... It's fine escaping as you do, but please add a comment stating that when we get the comment from switcher/launcher that has been already escaped
[13:03] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: for tests, see if you can add an unit test
[13:30] <prometoys> hey, where I find unity release notes or whats new/changed in unity 6.6
[13:39] <didrocks> prometoys: look at the ubuntu package changelog, you have the full change list for each unity release
[14:57] <Mirv> davidcalle: hi! would you mind if I did a little twist on the video lens repo? I'd push my branch that didn't include the rev 100 for the upstream release (but is included by cherry-picking in ubuntu), and then merge your fix-home-ordering again on top of that?
[14:58] <davidcalle> Mirv, no problem.
[15:02] <Mirv> davidcalle: ok, thanks
[15:03] <Mirv> davidcalle: and let's get back with the photo lens at some point as well :)
[15:04] <davidcalle> Mirv, thanks, sil2100 told me last night that he would be ok to put some time in it today.
[15:06] <Mirv> davidcalle: ah, ok, that's nice if that's true, and then there's always the next day...
[15:06] <Mirv> davidcalle: done (video-lens), the only difference is the release commit and your newest change being now rev 101
[15:10] <sil2100> Mirv: I'll take care of it ASAP ;)
[15:19] <slovdahl> I might have found quite a serious regression in unity after I upgraded from precise
[15:19] <slovdahl> I'm unable to open the launcher by moving the mouse to the left of the screen
[15:20] <MCR1> slovdahl: Nvidia gfx ?
[15:20] <slovdahl> yes
[15:20] <MCR1> update your driver then ;)
[15:20] <slovdahl> I see
[15:20] <slovdahl> explains why I didn't find any bug about it :)
[15:21] <slovdahl> I've gone through a lot of bugs on https://launchpad.net/unity/+bugs
[15:21] <MCR1> slovdahl: There is a bug report iirc
[15:22] <slovdahl> okay, then I'm just very bad at searching
[15:22] <MCR1> bug 1047467
[15:23] <MCR1> and bug 1057000
[15:24] <slovdahl> thanks for helping out anyway
[15:24] <MCR1> np, yw
[15:26] <MCR1> smspillaz: : We have another important bugfix here: https://code.launchpad.net/~sampo555/compiz/fix-1063871/+merge/130321
[15:26] <MCR1> smspillaz: Hi :), btw
[15:26] <MCR1> smspillaz: I have tested it and it works as expected.
[16:44] <MCR1> Trevinho: Hi :) Got a minute ?
[16:45] <Trevinho> MCR1: hey, yep
[16:45] <MCR1> this one needs approval: https://code.launchpad.net/~sampo555/compiz/fix-1063871/+merge/130321
[16:45] <MCR1> It is not by me but worx perfectly
[16:47] <MCR1> Trevinho: In bug 1068173 I attached a video showing that finally you can use grid with gedit
[16:48] <MCR1> Trevinho: This video shows that the bug is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1068173/+attachment/3402754/+files/Grid-does-not-always-follow-the-preview.webm
[16:48] <MCR1> and shows another bug also
[16:48] <Trevinho> MCR1: yes, I'm downloading it
[16:49] <MCR1> Trevinho: thx - sorry for pushing the merges so hard, but I know that it is motivating if stuff gets merged and de-motivating if not
[16:49] <Trevinho> eheh, yeah, I agree
[16:50] <Trevinho> MCR1: however, fix looks good... But probably smspillaz wants some form of testing... I'll wait him
[16:51] <MCR1> ok, np
[21:32] <neo_> can anyone help me? i installed 12.10 and i can't enter the unity. I am in init3 now because when i boot, i pass the login screen but then unity stops to load or something
[21:33] <neo_> i can only see the background and when i run alt+f2, i can see run txtbox bottom right on the screen. but i can't actually run any gui app...
[21:34] <neo_> i have dell xps m1530 with nvidia 8600gs and nvidia-current package installed
[21:35] <neo_> anyone have idea oh whats happening here?
[21:35] <neo_> the system is updated (when i ran apt-get upgrade i had compiz and few other packages updated)
[21:37] <neo_> bzzz, this channel is dead?