[06:08] <sergeant> while connecting to the mongo shell on an ubuntu server. I am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SS7VBxFdck/. Please help!!!!!!!
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> sergeant: please idle a bit here, volunteers might be still waking up ok
[06:12] <sergeant> yeah sorry
[06:17] <igordc> or going to sleep :(
[06:18] <igordc> sergeant, I haven't particularly dealt with mongo much but it looks like it isn't running on that specified port
[06:18] <igordc> sergeant, double check the server
[06:19] <sergeant> how do i check that ?
[08:20] <eject_ck> After installing packages updates on 5 Ubuntu 16.04 servers one wont start (just stuck during kernel boot), https://imgur.com/a/Nukuvk9
[08:20] <eject_ck> Anybody had such an issue ?
[08:22] <eject_ck> how can I collect details for such probelm?
[08:24] <eject_ck> kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> eject_ck: did you try booting a previous kernel yet?
[08:32] <eject_ck> yes, no luck
[08:33] <eject_ck> I tried to boot with dis_ucode_ldr   [X86] Disable the microcode loader. and it worked
[08:33] <eject_ck> interesting now why it caused problems
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> eject_ck: maybe provide us some dpkg logs from the installed updates recently, maybe volunteers can find a link
[08:35] <eject_ck> ok
[08:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:55] <eject_ck> lotuspsychje: where to send ?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> !paste | eject_ck
[08:57] <eject_ck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4f4rfg2Xvk/
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> eject_ck: that seems like a big dpkg list, is that a normal update or did you upgrade or wait long?
[09:01] <eject_ck> normal update
[09:01] <eject_ck> after long break
[09:01] <lordievader> You want the apt history log 😉
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: he got 5 xenial servers not booting anymore
[09:02] <eject_ck> no no
[09:02] <lordievader> `/var/log/apt/history.log` to be precise.
[09:02] <eject_ck> I got 1 server out of 5 not bootable
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:03] <lordievader> `dpkg -l` just shows what is installed. The apt history log shows what it did, what it updated, installed, etc.
[09:03] <eject_ck> adding dis_ucode_ldr to boot options helped to start server
[09:03] <eject_ck> then I ran apt update && initramfs -u
[09:03] <Mudchains> Good morning all. I have a old 8.04 ubuntu server with mysql databases on it. I want to setup a new 18.04 server and migrate the databases. Is there any guide lines about scsci controllers and disk design ? I am running VMware Vcenter/ESX 6.5
[09:04] <Mudchains> hi lotuspsychje ;)
[09:04] <eject_ck> then I downloaded latest microcode from Intel and put it into /var/firmware and restarted
[09:04] <eject_ck> it started with no problems
[09:10] <lordievader> Mudchains: What you could do is boot a live-usb/iso of 18.04 and check if everything works.
[09:12] <Mudchains> lordievader: I am running 18.04 on multiple VM's and they are working fine. They have only a 'old' disk design and scsci controller attached.
[09:13] <Mudchains> For the next VM's I want to make a template :)
[09:13] <lordievader> If you only have databases on there, wouldn't it be a better idea to setup a new VM with 18.04 install maria-db and transfer the databases to the new VM?
[09:14] <Mudchains> lordievader: thats my idea also
[09:17] <Mudchains> lordievader : do you have experience with the vmware paravirtual scsci controller and performance?
[09:17] <lordievader> No, I use kvm/qemu.
[09:17] <Mudchains> ah ok :)
[09:17] <lordievader> I try to stay away from vmware 😉
[09:18] <Mudchains> we are running 310+ machines on vmware atm :)
[09:19] <Mudchains> google doesnt say anything about optimized ubuntu templates for vmware unfortunally
[09:59] <Mudchains> lordievader: the new server is up and running, now the most time taking job..mysql, optimalisation and db migration.. :)
[10:17] <Mudchains> lordievader: why choosing maria-db btw?
[10:18] <lordievader> Because mysql is Oracle now.
[10:18] <lordievader> Maria-db is drop-in replacement.
[10:19] <Mudchains> lordievader: thats the only reason? :)
[10:20] <lordievader> For me it is, but I've moved away from mysql alltogether.
[10:21] <lordievader> A more indepth comparison: https://blog.panoply.io/a-comparative-vmariadb-vs-mysql
[10:23] <Mudchains> lordievader: I just readed it haha :D
[11:03] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:04] <rbasak> o/
[11:05] <ahasenack> hi rbasak
[11:07] <ahasenack> kstenerud: did you see my notes about schleuder?
[11:07] <ahasenack> I added a bug to the exim4 card comments
[11:09] <kstenerud> Yes, so we need to fix schleuder to unblock exim4 right?
[11:10] <ahasenack> yep, for a loose definition of "fix"
[11:10] <ahasenack> might need kicking out too, I asked in #ubuntu-release yesterday, didn't get a response
[11:18] <Mudchains> lordievader: pff what a job, migrating the databases xD
[11:19] <lordievader> Is it?
[11:19] <lordievader> Dump, scp, import. Right?
[11:19] <Mudchains> at least the new ubuntu 18.04 server is up and running :)
[11:20] <Mudchains> lordievader: yes thats correct, also found a query to copy the mysql users
[11:22] <Mudchains> the most annoying part is all the application/odbc connections
[14:41] <awalende> Hi there, is it possible to write iptable rules for vlans?
[14:42] <awalende> Id like to block all incoming on a vlan interface of mine
[14:42] <sdeziel> awalende: yes, -i and -o support any interface name
[14:43] <awalende> sooo "iptables -P INPUT DROP -i vlan118" should do the trick
[14:44] <sdeziel> awalende: well, -P doesn't accept -i
[14:45] <sdeziel> awalende: -P is to set the chain policy (aka default faith of a packet reaching the end of the chain)
[14:45] <sdeziel> awalende: but any -I/-A rules that you have can use -i vlan118
[14:46] <sdeziel> awalende: ex: "iptables -A INPUT -i vlan118 -j DROP"
[14:46] <awalende> ah okay, I'll try this. Thanks!
[14:51] <awalende> mhh weird, "iptables -L" shows me that I have a new DROP rule. However this list does not show my any information on which vlan this rule is enforced.
[14:52] <awalende> "DROP       all  --  anywhere             anywhere  "
[14:52] <sdeziel> awalende: could you pastebin "iptables-save" ?
[14:52] <TJ-> awalende: "iptables -nvL"
[14:54] <awalende> https://pastebin.com/k5YhK1RZ
[14:55] <awalende> ah I believe "iptables -nvL" did the trick, I see the rule for vlan118 now
[14:56] <awalende> -nvl - > https://pastebin.com/WViuyD5G
[14:57] <awalende> thanks for your help folks :)
[14:59] <sdeziel> awalende: np. FYI, you can use prefix matching for input/output devices like this "-i vlan+"
[14:59] <sdeziel> I find this quite useful at times so I thought I'd mention it ;)
[15:00] <awalende> :)
[16:15] <herald85> hi, i keep having issues during updates with downloading the required version of linux-headers. When I manually browse to http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/  and click on linux-headers-4.4.0-141_4.4.0-141.167_all.deb it also fails to download. Anyone know how I can work around this?
[16:16] <ansyeb> hello. how it that possible? https://pastebin.com/YgJttRpw
[16:16] <ansyeb> what is on 22001?
 ansyeb: almost certainly a -R forward from one of your users
[16:16] <ansyeb> could someone provide a link to the corresponding manual page?
[16:20] <jelly> ansyeb: man ssh_config, search for RemoteForward
[16:20] <ansyeb> I found this: http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/ssh-agent-forwarding.html#fwd
[16:21] <jelly> ssh has about 4-5 different forwardings and agent forwarding or X11 forwarding is not relevant for -R
[16:22] <jelly> -R is a ssh client command line option that opens a listener on the remote side and tunnels tcp connections somewhere visible to the client side
[16:22] <ansyeb> oh man..
[16:23] <jelly> serajewelks suggested you were seeing a remote listener side of such a setup
[16:23] <jelly> the* remote listener side
[16:24] <jelly> if you want web search keywords: ssh remote forwarding
[16:24] <ansyeb> щл ен
[16:24] <ansyeb> ok ty
[16:26] <jelly> it's a way to enable access to a service that ssh server you connected to can't otherwise reach; somethimes used as a workaround instead of having to punch holes in firewalls
[16:32] <jelly> ansyeb: what does "ps -fp 1973" say? it might be interesting to see what is its parent process, that might confirm the -R theory.  However,but it is somewhat unusual for a sshd process with a -R listener socket open to be running as root
[17:29] <baffle> I have a server with 2*L3 uplinks; The uplinks has a /31 for basic connectivity, and the same /32 on both interfaces+loopback. <IP_ADDRESS>/0 is routed via the /31 on both interfaces, and src set to the /32. Packets gets sent randomly out via both interfaces, but there is asymmetrical routing so replies might come to the other interfaces; If this happens, the package seems to just disappear. I have
[17:29] <baffle> rp_filter set to 0, what else have I forgotten? Iptables INPUT/FORWARD is set to ACCEPT...
[17:29] <baffle> Anyone have any ideas what it could be?
[19:32] <sarnold> baffle: rp_filter on *all* interfaces? or just the global config?
[19:50] <baffle> sarnold: It's set to 2 on all interfaces..
[19:52] <sarnold> baffle: this guide suggests assymetric routing uses would benefit from '1' https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.kernel.rpf.html
[19:58] <baffle> sarnold: That's weird, this does not match documentation in https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt <- 1 is strict, 2 is loose. 0 is disabled.
[19:58] <baffle> (I have it set to 2, not 0, so that was wrong on my part)
[20:00] <baffle> Set to 0 on all/default/<interfaces> now, same behaviour.
[20:00] <baffle> And I have enabled log_martians too, and there are no entries in any logs. :-/
[20:02] <sarnold> baffle: huhn. that is more or less exactly opposite of the what the guide said :(
[20:14] <baffle> sarnold: Any tips on how to debug further?
[20:15] <sarnold> baffle: nothing good, I'm insanely rusty on router kinds of things :/ .. maybe firewall packet counts? perhaps they're being blocked by rules?
[20:17] <TJ-> baffle: I may be confused but your original question seems to be talking about *replies* coming into this server on a different interface - rp_filter is about sending replies *out* from this system
[20:19] <sdeziel> rp_filter is a source validation mechanism so should apply to inbound traffic I think
[20:19] <baffle> sdeziel: But maybe in the forwarding path?
[20:19] <baffle> I.e. for packets passing.
[20:19] <baffle> (Typically a router)
[20:20] <sdeziel> baffle: AFAIK, rp_filter is applied on traffic reception even in the forwarding case
[20:21] <sdeziel> baffle: I don't have the time to look myself but surely sharing "ip a; ip ro" would help folks have a better idea of your setup
[20:22] <baffle> sdeziel: Oh. I forgot the paste-link I prepared... https://paste2.org/FLH32Z5F
[20:22] <baffle> (rp_filter is now set to 0, not 2 as in the paste)
[20:22] <sdeziel> baffle: is <IP_ADDRESS>/32 supposed to be some kind of HA IP or Virtual IP?
[20:23] <baffle> sdeziel: Yes, it is supposed to be a HA IP.
[20:23] <sdeziel> baffle: then I wouldn't expect to see it configured on the 2 NICs at the same time.
[20:25] <baffle> sdeziel: Well, I only had it on loopback before, then packets could be sent to it from an external host.. I.e. to reach a service bound to that IP. But for the host to source packets to that IP, and not the /31 linknets, one both needs to set the src in ip route + set IP on the interfaces. If IP is not set on the interfaces, packets will not be sent out by the kernel..
[20:25] <sdeziel> baffle: looks like you are running bgp which is unexplored territory for me, sorry ;)
[20:26] <sdeziel> baffle: I would have think that you could set just an ip route with source specification without needing to actually have the IP configured on the real outbound NIC (just lo0)
[20:27] <sarnold> btw how does a /31 work? there's two addresses, and the all-ones-equiv would be broadcast.. leaving the all-zeros for the one host?
[20:28] <baffle> sdeziel: Yes, it's BGP, but all it does it populate the routing table, and announce the /32 to the switches.
[20:29] <baffle> sdeziel: If I remove the IP from the outbound NICs, and just put it in lo0, and have src set to the IP, no packets go out..
[20:30] <sdeziel> baffle: your default route with 2 nexthops looks good to me. Have you confirmed with tcpdump what's going on?
[20:31] <sdeziel> sarnold: I'm suspecting some kind of p2p setup
[20:32] <sdeziel> ipcalc says there are no broadcasts for /31: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yhR2dkxS8B/
[20:33] <sdeziel> ipcalc also mentions https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3021 for /31 ranges :)
[20:34] <sarnold> ha! of course there's an rfc to answer my exact question :)
[20:34] <sarnold> thanks sdeziel
[20:37] <baffle> sarnold: It works great for linknets between routers, and there is no network/broadcast address.
[20:40] <baffle> sdeziel: Yeah, if I source icmp packets from interface ens1f0 I get echo+reply back on ens1f0. If I source icmp packets from interface ens1f1 the echo is sent out from ens1f1, but the reply comes back on ens1f0 (due to what I ping being a few hops away, and having a best path via the switch ens1f0 is connected to)
[20:43] <sdeziel> baffle: have you tried "ping -I <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[20:44] <sdeziel> baffle: I'd expect it to work and load balance the echo requests evenly between the 2 NICs since they have the same weight
[20:45] <sdeziel> baffle: the echo replies might all come via ens1f0 though if the switch behaves that way
[20:46] <sdeziel> baffle: out of curiosity, why deal with this at L3 instead of L2 (LACP, bonds, etc)?
[20:51] <baffle> sdeziel: Uh, that worked. One minute, I'll check something....
[20:54] <baffle> sdeziel: Whaddayaknow. Facepalm time. It works fine, and probaly has been all along, I think I was looking the wrong place all along. All day.
[20:54] <sdeziel> baffle: hehe
[20:56] <sarnold> uhoh
[20:56] <sarnold> whatr exactly was the wrong thing in question? :)
[20:59] <baffle> sdeziel: The reason for going with L3 instead of L2 is to avoid having MLAG on the switches, I've seen that (and stacking) fail too many times..
[20:59] <blackflow> sarnold: oh hey, you're a ZFS fan amirite?
[20:59] <sdeziel> baffle: OK
[20:59] <sarnold> blackflow: yeah
[21:00] <blackflow> sarnold: is the ZFS wiki page editable only by ubuntu devs, or community? because the uses cases are blatantly lying :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[21:00] <baffle> sdeziel: So, instead of using L2 that we all know and love, I'm introducing more complexity with routing instead.. It is probably a bad idea.. But at least it is standardized, and you can use whatever vendor..
[21:00] <blackflow> that really needs some correction, because it's very much false.
[21:00] <sarnold> blackflow: I'd expect anyone in the right launchpad group would be able to edit it
[21:01] <blackflow> should I open a bug report then?
[21:01] <blackflow> eg. Jack's use case is fiction. ZFS does no such thing.
[21:01] <sdeziel> baffle: I've heard good things about L3 redundant setups so I guess it's just a matter of fully understanding this new paradigm
[21:01] <sarnold> blackflow: hah yeah that looks way wrong
[21:01] <blackflow> so is Ari's use case, ZFS does not do that :)
[21:02] <sarnold> ha
[21:02] <baffle> sarnold: I think what I originally observed, but failed to catch, was that outgoing connections from a container got masqueraded (randomly) to linknet IPs on interfaces + the "HA" IP.
[21:03] <lordcirth_> Yeah, Jack's is handled by btrfs, I'm not aware of any filesystem that just grabs storage devices lol
[21:04] <sarnold> blackflow: if you want to edit the wiki, this is the group to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors -- many other groups are already included on the thing, so maybe it'd make sense to join one of the other groups instead of this one
[21:04] <sarnold> blackflow: I've got to run for lunch.. if you'd rather not bother, just let me know and I'll happily delete those usecases :)
[21:04] <blackflow> sarnold: thanks, I'll see what I can do first.
[21:05] <sdeziel> baffle: the masquerading shouldn't be random since your default route says to go out with <IP_ADDRESS>, no?
[21:05] <sarnold> blackflow: thanks
[21:05] <blackflow> sarnold: bon apetit!
[21:05] <sarnold> :D
[21:05] <baffle> sdeziel: Yes, but it is still very hard to know what is the correct way to design a spine/leaf design with full redundancy on hosts.. Some designs seems to think that spine/leaf should be core, with ToR switches connected to the leafs, and host using L2 to one ToR switch. Or LACP/MLAG to two ToR switchces. Some designs use ToR switches as leafs (as I do).. But that both in a rack should use iBGP and
[21:05] <baffle> bgp and be in the same AS.. Some have the same AS on spines.. It's very confusing..
[21:05] <baffle> sdeziel: That's what I tought...
[21:06] <sdeziel> baffle: the only semi-random (round robin I think) portion would be the outbound NIC the kernel picks
[21:06] <baffle> sdeziel: But I'll modify the rule to have --to-source..
[21:07] <sdeziel> baffle: out of curiosity, if you run this multiple time, do you see the kernel alternating the outbound NIC: ip ro get <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <baffle> sdeziel: No, that returns same IP consistently. And I've set sys/net/ipv4/fib_multipath_hash_policy to 1 (L4).. But 1 sec, I'll see what happens.
[21:11] <sdeziel> baffle: yeah, same source IP but what about the dev?
[21:12] <baffle> sdeziel: Same device, same link IP, same source IP. I.e. -> <IP_ADDRESS> via <IP_ADDRESS> dev ens1f0 src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 1000
[21:13] <baffle> sdeziel: But I assume that is just cached. If I actually generate TCP traffic to the same host now, the flows round-robin.
[21:13] <baffle> sdeziel: I'll modify the masquerade rule and test now..
[21:13] <sdeziel> baffle: probably but I would have appreciate the kernel telling you about the round robin thing
[21:15] <sdeziel> "ip route get fibmatch <IP_ADDRESS>" maybe?
[21:20] <baffle> sdeziel: That works, returns both path.
[21:20] <baffle> s
[21:21] <baffle> sdeziel: Also, manually replacing MASQUERADE with -J SNAT --to-source works a treat.
[21:21] <sdeziel> baffle: thanks good to know
[21:22] <sdeziel> baffle: I don't understand why MASQUERADE would do the wrong thing though
[21:23] <teward> masquerade uses the primary IP address on the system, if I'm not mistaken
[21:23] <teward> and not "alternative IPs" (secondary, tertiary, extra, etc.)
[21:25] <sdeziel> teward: it should make a decision based on the info from routing table, or at least that would be a logical (to me) way of doing it
[21:25] <teward> while I agree with you, i'm also coming in late.
[21:25] <teward> so I'm not up to speed :P
[21:27] <baffle> teward: What is the "primary" IP anyway?
[21:27] <sdeziel> that's what the routing table tells you it is
[21:28] <teward> unless your routing tables are screwed, the 'default route' according to the routing table typically
[21:28] <teward> usually the first IP address on an interface if you don't have any custom routing tables in play
[21:29] <baffle> Hmm, wonder what happens if I reorder IP addresses in netplan.
[21:30] <teward> just as an FYI I came in late, did you share your configuration?  Do you have custom policy-based route rules set up?
[21:30] <teward> (which would therefore alter the 'default routes')
[21:30] <sdeziel> teward: 2 nexthops with same weight as default gw
[21:30] <sdeziel> https://paste2.org/FLH32Z5F
[21:31] <teward> hah BGP is at play I see
[21:32] <teward> sdeziel: I usually consider in a Multi IP scenario SNAT/DNAT is better than the MASQUERADE functionality in iptables
[21:32] <teward> just from experience
[21:32] <baffle> sdeziel: I totally agree.
[21:32] <sdeziel> teward: agreed but I would still expect MASQUERADE to do the right thing in such scenario
[21:33] <teward> sdeziel: my two cents is I call masquerade a 'hackish' way to SNAT/DNAT automagically.
[21:33] <teward> just my thoughts on it :P
[21:34] <sdeziel> this automagic should be reliable ;)
[21:34] <teward> sdeziel: when is anything networking related EVER reliable :p
[21:36] <sdeziel> teward: lo is pretty reliable but that's the exception
[21:37] <baffle> Now the /32 is the first IP on both interfaces, but MASQUERADE still chooses the link-net as NAT source. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:38] <baffle> Guess I'll have to disable the automatic creation of NAT rules in Docker. Maybe it's time to check if they've added more functionality..
[21:38] <teward> sdeziel: well other than that lol
[21:39] <sdeziel> baffle: oh well, I was wrong (again) :P
[21:39] <teward> baffle: to be fair in my containerized environments (EXCEPT for this laptop, because it has only 1 IP lol), i never trust MASQUERADE to do what I want lol
[21:39] <teward> always SNAT everything :P
[21:39] <teward> my two cents.
[21:42] <baffle> teward: I don't think I have a choice.
[21:42] <Mudchains> i love it when a old optimized my.cnf of mysql5.0 fixes the new slow installed mysql5.7 server
[21:43] <Mudchains> first i changed the scsi controllers, but then ubuntu didnt start up anymore haha
[21:44] <baffle> sdeziel/sarnold/teward++: Thanks for all the help!
[21:46] <sdeziel> baffle: yw


[00:48] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: about to do a release with the fix in it
[00:48] <bluesabre> my internet has been out all day, seems to be back somewhat now
[00:49] <Noskcaj> :)
[01:10] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/2.0.1
[01:10] <bluesabre> :)
[01:11] <Noskcaj> thanks
[01:11] <Noskcaj> You are proving that #shimmer is really #xubuntu-devel2 though
[01:11] <bluesabre> in a way
[01:12] <bluesabre> its usually where parole and greeter talk happen so simon and I don't flood this channel
[01:13] <bluesabre> my excuse there is that we're discussing design, so its #shimmer-related :)
[01:13] <bluesabre> right ochosi?
[01:13] <ochosi> yup
[01:13] <ochosi> thing is that parole isn't really xubuntu-related directly
[01:13] <ochosi> same thing goes for the greeter
[01:13] <ochosi> and since it's mostly ppl hanging out in shimmer who happen to work on these projects, we mostly talk about them there
[01:15] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: besides the menulibre2.0.1 update, do we think we can get mugshot into debian as well?
[01:15] <bluesabre> I'll be working on catfish this week
[01:15] <Noskcaj> mugshot should get to debian, i just need to find a sponsor
[01:19] <bluesabre> excellent :)
[01:20] <Noskcaj> Also a new version of pexcept
[01:21] <bluesabre> cool
[01:22] <bluesabre> also, catfish doesn't depend on any specific version of locate
[01:22] <bluesabre> as long as it provides a locate executable, its sufficient
[01:22] <bluesabre> and I think that include mlocate
[01:22] <bluesabre> but I'll document that with the next release
[01:24] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, is https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/fail/menulibre_2.0-1.log fixed in 2.0.1?
[01:24] <ochosi> hm, apart from all the packaging and uploading stuff, currently this looks like one of the more challenging workitems:
[01:24] <ochosi> [xubuntu-dev] Look into creating a GUI for light-locker settings (or integrate into xfce4-powermanager): TODO
[01:25] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: haven't seen that before, so I'm going with no
[01:25] <bluesabre> what is it?
[01:25] <Noskcaj> An (un)installation error
[01:26] <Noskcaj> That might be a bug in piuparts though
[01:27] <bluesabre> yeah, looks unrelated to menulibre
[02:12] <Noskcaj> New indicator plugin version in my PPA
[02:31] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[02:31] <bluesabre> thanks Noskcaj
[02:34] <bluesabre> started work on catfish, already removed the embedded pexpect
[02:34] <bluesabre> its totally reasonable to assume that I'll have a new release ready the end of the week
[02:35] <bluesabre> then maybe knome will let me take a break ;)
[02:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: (trusty only) new parole daily builds in https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+recipe/parole-gtk3-daily
[02:36] <bluesabre> if not using trusty, you'll get a daily libxfce4ui, which you almost certainly do not want
[02:44] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, good work. I think the devel part of 14.04 is now just bugfixing and packaging
[02:45] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:45] <bluesabre> somehow it seems we're much more on schedule this cycle
[02:46] <bluesabre> it helps that parole-0.6 missed 13.10, most of the dev on it has been done for a while
[04:54] <benonsoftware> Hiya, I'm wondering how much RAM would be enough for testing 14.04 inside a VM?
[04:55] <pleia2> at least 512M, I tend to test with 1-1.5G
[04:56] <benonsoftware> Thanks :)
[04:57]  * benonsoftware will settle with 512, he only has 1.75GB overall RAM :(
[04:59] <pleia2> if you have a really poor experience with 512 that'd be worth knowing too, as we're always looking to evaluate our min specs
[05:04] <benonsoftware> Just running it now as a live system, it's actually running very nicely for me :)
[05:05] <pleia2> cool
[05:16] <benonsoftware> I've been noticing the work the the Xubuntu team has been doing, a great job. :D
[08:02] <ochosi> nice, i can confirm that the indicator-plugin package from Noskcaj does solve some issues (labels being cut etc), so now it seems there are mostly some indicator-internal issues left
[08:51] <elfy> ochosi: do we want to check anymore than light-locker locks and unlocks the screen?
[09:31] <knome> benonsoftware, thanks! (re: g+ invite, i'm not using g+, so thanks, but can't accept ;))
[09:31] <T-kilt> short Hello to all
[09:31] <elfy> that'd be Hi then :p
[09:32] <elfy> knome: power testcase is done if you get time to look - if not I'll point slicky at it
[09:32] <T-kilt> thx elfy
[09:33] <T-kilt> Short Question: Experience with Xubuntu 14 alpha 2 and VMware 10 ? Would like to test it fist in VM
[09:33] <elfy> no idea about vmware - but I often test in vbox
[09:35] <T-kilt> @elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-)
[09:35] <meetingology> T-kilt: Error: "elfy:" is not a valid command.
[09:36] <T-kilt> at elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-)
[09:37] <elfy> just use elfy :p
[09:38] <elfy> but yep - understoof
[09:40] <T-kilt> elfy: Would like to parcitipate a little in testing. Who would get the bug reports? Special Account for alpha ?
[09:41] <elfy> ok
[09:41] <elfy> let me find the info for you
[09:41] <elfy> you'll need a LP account
[09:41] <knome> T-kilt, testing is reported in trackers, no personal info is gathered (if you are worried about that)
[09:44] <elfy> T-kilt: can't find what I was looking for - but ^^ have a LP account - use the 2 trackers, report on the trackers, bugs get reported there and they show up
[09:44] <elfy> http://xubuntu.org/news/help-us-test-xubuntu-14-04-lts/
[09:44] <elfy> subscribe to the devel mailing list and you'll see what we're testing and when as I call for it
[09:45] <T-kilt> knome: thx for the answer. Second  Rule: no personal info on test systems ;-)
[09:46] <T-kilt> elfy: o.k. . Will join later this day
[09:48] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:49] <T-kilt> slickmaster: morning ! (depending on timezone)
[09:50] <slickymaster> morning here T-kilt ;)
[09:50] <slickymaster> bluesabre: you around?
[09:55] <slickymaster> bluesabre: I'm sure you saw this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/01/24/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:03
[09:56] <slickymaster> bluesabre: anyway, I'm kind of hoping you manage to find 5 minutes to help me to sort it out
[10:02] <slickymaster> bluesabre: sorry, I meant that I wasn't sure  you saw it ^^
[10:08] <elfy> morning slickymaster
[10:08] <slickymaster> hi, elfy. And a good one for you, too
[10:12] <elfy> ty
[10:19] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1264448
[10:19] <elfy> appears to be fixed now here
[10:59] <bluesabre> slickymaster: does that happen in trusty?
[11:00] <slickymaster> bluesabre: nopes, in Saucy
[11:01] <bluesabre> yeah, it seems like something is unstable in saucy
[11:01] <bluesabre> glade insta-crashes, menulibre crashes, and mugshot crashes
[11:01] <bluesabre> everything seems stable in trusty from what I can tell
[11:01] <elfy> it has been for me
[11:02] <elfy> apart from the help thing still
[11:02] <elfy> bluesabre: ^^
[11:02] <slickymaster> I'll install it in trusty in a minute, and will report you promptly
[11:02] <bluesabre> great
[11:02] <bluesabre> elfy: I just released mugshot-0.2 which gets rid of the old help
[11:02] <elfy> aah okey doke :)
[11:02] <bluesabre> now the button takes you to the online docs
[11:03] <elfy> ok - thanks :)
[11:04] <elfy> bluesabre: re menulibre - anything in particular that you want to test - really don't want to end up with a 30 minute test here :p
[11:05] <bluesabre> nothing in particular, the only caveat is that adding launchers to the top-most level of the menu doesn't work in xfce from what I can tell
[11:05] <elfy> and are we going to be dealing with the edit menu option not being there if you right click properties menu ?
[11:05] <elfy> ok - will bear that in mind
[11:06] <bluesabre> the edit menu will be changed to point to menulibre once its added to the seed
[11:06] <elfy> cool - that was all I needed to know then :p
[11:07] <bluesabre> if you notice any peculiarities, go ahead and file a bug, that way I'm sure to get to it
[11:07] <elfy> yep
[11:07] <elfy> not looked at it properly yet - just installed it
[11:08] <bluesabre> alrighty
[11:13] <bluesabre> gotta run, be back tonight.  good luck!
[11:14] <elfy> have a day :)
[11:37] <elfy> slickymaster: if you get chance there's a draft power testcase ready for looking at
[11:38] <slickymaster> bluesabre: it doesn't happen in trusty.
[11:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre: what we discussed about the web camera in mugshot
[11:39] <slickymaster> elfy: do you want me to review it or to enhance it?
[11:39] <elfy> slickymaster: that's good then - I didn't have any issues either - other than installing that one package
[11:40] <elfy> slickymaster: up to you - I'm trying to make tests as simple as possible
[11:40] <elfy> have you seen the gthumb one :|
[11:40] <slickymaster> elfy: can you provide me a link to it?
[11:41] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282
[11:41] <elfy> sorry - a bit all over the place tis morning :)
[11:42] <slickymaster> elfy: it was me who wrote the gthumb test
[11:42] <slickymaster> do you think it needs some kind of tweaking?
[11:42] <elfy> it is long is all
[11:43] <elfy> there's not really much we can do with it though
[11:44] <slickymaster> elfy: thing is that gthumb has a lot of options/menus to work with
[11:44] <elfy> I know :)
[11:44] <elfy> there's not really much we can do with it though
[11:44] <elfy> :)
[11:45] <slickymaster> elfy: I'll review your MP 1270911 this afternoon and will try to re-read the gthumb one too see if somehow it can be trimmed
[11:46] <slickymaster> to, not too ^
[11:46] <elfy> slickymaster: ok for the MP - really don't bother with gthumb - maybe we can look for Unreal Unicorn when it turns up
[11:48] <slickymaster> your code names are starting to growing on me, elfy
[11:48] <slickymaster> :)
[11:48] <elfy> ha ha ha
[11:51] <T-kilt> Download Link for XUbuntu Alpha 2 Brocken ?
[11:51] <T-kilt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140121.1/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:52] <elfy> where did you get that from?
[11:52] <T-kilt> From Ubuntu HP
[11:52] <T-kilt> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61654/downloads
[11:53] <elfy> oh right
[11:53] <elfy> yea - that's gone now :)
[11:53] <T-kilt> Which should i choose ?
[11:53] <elfy> use the dailies
[11:54] <T-kilt> o.k. thx
[11:54] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140127/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:55] <T-kilt> Working
[11:55] <elfy> T-kilt: if you actually want the A2 then you can get it http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/
[11:55] <elfy> but the daily is just that plus new updates
[11:58] <T-kilt> I will take the daily. Plans about integration of libimobiledevice version 1.6 ?
[11:59] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid
[12:00] <T-kilt> no Problem, will try it myself :-)
[13:13] <slickymaster> lunch time
[13:13] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[14:19] <elfy> knome: I guess we'll need to think about upgrade testing
[15:21] <T-kilt>
[16:06] <brainwash> ochosi: /join #shimmer
[16:06] <brainwash> woops
[16:07] <brainwash> I was about to ask a greeter related question here, but then I thought why no use #shimmer instead :)
[17:06] <brainwash> elfy: is bug 1261660 not fixed yet?
[17:12] <elfy> yea
[17:13] <elfy> some guy wandering round fiddling with bugs
[17:13] <brainwash> yes, my mail box got spammed with those bug report status changes
[17:14] <elfy> mine too - can't keep up
[17:14] <elfy> I'll mark it as a dupe
[17:14] <brainwash> ok :)
[17:15] <brainwash> btw do you prefer 32px or 48px sized desktop icons? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/desktop-icon-size/+merge/202944
[17:15] <elfy> asking the wrong person I'm afraid
[17:15] <elfy> I prefer an empty desktop :p
[17:16] <brainwash> 32 is the default, but xfdesktop somehow sets the size to 36
[17:16] <elfy> sorry - I'm completely meh about that :)
[17:16] <brainwash> and 36 is "invalid", because some icons simply do no scale
[17:17] <brainwash> ok, I just want to get it fixed and not wait until it's april =S
[17:17] <elfy> :)
[17:18] <elfy> same guy has decided that gtk3 inds is low priority :p
[17:18] <brainwash> it is low apparently
[17:18] <brainwash> otherwise we would already have them :D
[17:19] <brainwash> but the new indicator plugin is in great shape, many things have been fixed
[17:20] <ali1234> he set bug 1074314 as high
[17:20] <elfy> I've turned of the date thing now that looks normal
[17:23] <brainwash> ali1234: is "INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes" still required?
[17:23] <ali1234> yes
[17:25] <brainwash> that's bad news
[17:25] <ali1234> bug tedg about it
[17:26] <brainwash> it's bug 1185565, right?
[17:26] <ali1234> that's the catch-all bug for the rewrite yes
[17:30] <brainwash> does not look like we can expect any support
[17:31] <brainwash> and setting the env var for the xubuntu session is only a workaround
[17:32] <ali1234> what do you mean no support?
[17:32] <ali1234> it will be fixed
[17:33] <brainwash> in this case everything will be ok
[17:54] <slickymaster> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282
[18:13] <elfy> slickymaster: thanks - merged and synced to tracker - put it in xfce core
[18:16] <slickymaster> thanks for that elfy ;)
[18:22] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:43] <elfy> ochosi: http://pastebin.com/rKmcbR2a
[19:43] <elfy> if I hear nothing to the contrary I'll try and get that merged and synced tomorrow
[19:48] <elfy> hi Noskcaj - what's the story with time and user admins now?
[19:48] <Noskcaj> nothings changed that i know of
[19:49] <elfy> great
[19:50] <elfy> Noskcaj: so when will you know
[19:50] <Noskcaj> know what?
[19:51] <Noskcaj> Also, my internet is completely dead right now
[19:51] <elfy> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.log.html#l-88
[19:54] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828091/
[19:56] <elfy> Noskcaj: so what exactly are the packages that are missing for us - I'll report it
[19:56] <Noskcaj> elfy, gnome-*-admin
[19:57] <Noskcaj> time and user
[19:57] <elfy> gnome-user-admin no such package
[19:57] <Noskcaj> all the binaries should have been the same though
[19:57] <elfy> what I don't understand is how this even happened without knowing
[19:57] <elfy> should have and are don't always match :p
[19:58] <Noskcaj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+changelog is the changelog
[19:58] <Noskcaj> time- and network-
[19:58] <elfy> means little to me I'm afraid
[20:00] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1273305
[20:02] <Unit193> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/162987751/gnome-system-tools_3.0.0-2ubuntu2_3.0.0-3ubuntu1.diff.gz has it, all the files were dropped from the .install files, thus nothing is installed except for the xpm files, so it'd be an expected change.
[20:03] <elfy> so simple enough to deal with?
[20:04] <Noskcaj> should be. But we noe sync that bit from debian, so you'll need to go and complain in #ubuntu-devel
[20:04] <elfy> excellent
[20:05] <elfy> from the logs Noskcaj - you appear to be saying you did it
[20:05] <elfy> so why should I go anywhere else
[20:05] <Unit193> He did the last one, yeah..
[20:05]  * elfy doesn't understand this stuff :)
[20:06] <elfy> Noskcaj: I'm not blaming you - just reading what you said :)
[20:06] <Noskcaj> elfy, yes, at the instruction of pitti, but my understanding of the package is little and i'm not sure ubuntu will be keep to revert this change
[20:06] <elfy> mmm
[20:06] <elfy> ok
[20:07] <Noskcaj> *keen
[20:29] <brainwash> elfy: we could use the MATE fork of users-admin
[20:29] <brainwash> I assume that it is better maintained
[20:30] <Noskcaj> Does ubuntu fully have MATE yet?
[20:32] <brainwash> does not look like it is the case
[20:33] <brainwash> but debian has all the package or?
[20:33] <brainwash> packages
[20:33] <brainwash> so they will be synced eventually
[20:45] <brainwash> we could also fix bug 1016932
[20:46] <brainwash> if we decide to stay with users-admin or the MATE fork
[21:26] <knome> elfy, what about upgrade testing you want to think with me?
[21:28] <elfy> you want us to do it?
[21:33] <knome> sure
[21:33] <knome> we've done it in the past, and the LTS->LTS upgrade tests are quite important
[21:34] <knome> tbe, we probably should do round 1 for that ASAP
[21:34] <knome> because that could give us unexpected problems
[21:34] <elfy> yep
[21:34] <knome> bbl
[21:34] <elfy> I'll be gone
[21:42] <elfy> knome: I'm away now - I'd think we'd want to do both 12.04 -> 14.04 and 13.10 ->14.04
[21:42] <elfy> I'll read tomorrow
[21:44] <Unit193> knome: But, can you, before doing the VM update, pretend to customize it a bit? :P
[22:35] <slickymaster> night all
[22:50] <knome> Unit193, that would be optimal
[22:51] <knome> Unit193, i don't think clean 12.04 -> 14.04 upgrade makes too much sense (it does some, but it's not too good for testing real-world situations/problems)
[22:52] <Unit193> I'll likely be moving a couple over before release, but not long before.  That'll add some craziness testing there.
[23:09] <bluesabre> drat, Noskcaj is not around


[12:09] <mup> Bug #1535690 opened: [1.9.0] Need to recommission when upgrading from 1.8.3 <kanban-cross-team> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535690>
[12:12] <mup> Bug #1535690 changed: [1.9.0] Need to recommission when upgrading from 1.8.3 <kanban-cross-team> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535690>
[12:18] <mup> Bug #1535690 opened: [1.9.0] Need to recommission when upgrading from 1.8.3 <kanban-cross-team> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535690>
[12:30] <mup> Bug #1535698 opened: [1.9.0] Name | Model | Serial switcher changes both Available and Used disks and partitions <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535698>
[12:33] <mup> Bug #1535698 changed: [1.9.0] Name | Model | Serial switcher changes both Available and Used disks and partitions <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535698>
[12:36] <mup> Bug #1535698 opened: [1.9.0] Name | Model | Serial switcher changes both Available and Used disks and partitions <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535698>
[12:51] <mup> Bug #1535705 opened: [1.9.0] Selecting boot radio on Available disks can't be undone <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535705>
[21:12] <mag009_> on ubuntu.com it says that maas 1.9 is released but the ppa is still on 1.8.3 for LTS ubuntu
[21:12] <mag009_> any eta when it will be available ?
[21:16] <roaksoax> mag009_: ppa:maas/proposed
[21:16] <roaksoax> mag009_: it will hit ppa:maas/stable
[22:20] <mag009_> any eta when it will hit the stable repo ?


[00:58] <genii> Like we don't already know :-)
[12:35] <ikonia> syko back as the_I be aware
[13:56] <jrib> what's our policy on elementary support?  Is it a completely different distro or ...?
[13:56] <jrib> never mind :)
[14:12] <DJones>  qwebirc33702> the elementary admin tell me go to Ubuntu and Ubuntu tell me to go on elementary
[14:12] <ikonia> I doubt that a lot
[14:12] <DJones> Great support from the OS's own channel
[14:12] <ikonia> I doubt they said that
[14:12] <DJones> I suspect its just somebody in the channel that may have said it, not an 'admin' as such
[14:13] <ikonia> I suspect no-one said it, it's a quiet channel, he wasn't getting help so is bluffing
[14:13] <DJones> Right, its not somewhere I've ever joined, but I would expect it will be a quiet channel
[14:14] <ikonia> just checked
[14:14] <ikonia> the admin did tell him to join #ubuntu
[14:14] <ikonia> sort of implied the people in the channel where not up to supporting it
[14:14] <DJones> Thats good of them
[14:15] <ikonia> 14:51 <@teemperor> qwebirc33702: no idea how to solve it then :s
[14:15] <ikonia> 14:52 <@teemperor> qwebirc33702: hmm, type /join #ubuntu, maybe someone can help you there (elementary OS is based on ubuntu, so maybe that helps)
[14:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ummm what?
[14:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> I did nothing to be kicked from #kubuntu
[14:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia has had a grudge against me for over a few weeks now, showing it in ##linux, #freenode, etc after originally banning me in #ubuntu (i dont care about that ban)
[14:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, who is over in rank/status of ikonia
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> Because I am trying to ignore him, yet he keeps instigating, then when I say something he does not like, even though its not against the channel rules, he bans me. Hes even tried getting me banned from channels he has no permissions in, and the ops just told him to stop the crap and ended up kicking (maybe even banning) him
[14:56] <ikonia> please don't lie
[14:56] <ikonia> I've not been kicked or banned from any channel
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have plenty of logs, but it is not neccesary. I just would like my ban removed
[14:56] <ikonia> one of the operators will be along to deal with your ban
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: sure you have
[14:56] <ikonia> please show me a log of being kicked / banned from a channel
[14:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: im not lying, im looking right now at the log
[14:57] <ikonia> please show me the log then
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> You just dont probably remember because I was using a different nick most likely when you chased me into ##linux
[14:57] <ikonia> please show me the log of me getting kicked or banned
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> I wont publish logs because freenode policy is to error on thew side of not doing so
[14:57] <ikonia> if you're looking at it now, it should be easy to show
[14:57] <ikonia> no it's not
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> You know what you did
[14:57] <ikonia> you have my full concent
[14:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> Yes it is
[14:57] <ikonia> please publish it
[14:58] <ikonia> just the line of me getting kicked or banned will be enough
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: ?Im not arguing with you anymore. you are full of crap and have a grudge and you know it
[14:58] <ikonia> ahhh, ok, so lies continue
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, back to /iugnore you go
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> Lies continue? only lies here are from you
[14:58] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: then show me the line where I'm kicked/banned
[14:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, any other ops here that I can deal with?
[14:59] <ikonia> one will be along shortly
[14:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> Now that I ignored this troll of an op
[14:59] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: then show me the line where I'm kicked/banned
[14:59] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: name calling does not help
[14:59] <ikonia> false accusations do not help
[14:59] <ikonia> I advise you to just be clear and honest
[14:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> jayne: are you around? actyually I know you arde
[14:59] <ikonia> you need to really speak to an ubuntu op
[14:59] <ikonia> not a freenode staff member
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> ikonia: shes in this channel
[15:00] <ikonia> freenode staff members ony step in if it's an emergency and ubuntu ops are not around
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> Othert than that, you are ignored
[15:00] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm aware she's in the hcannel
[15:00] <ikonia> channel
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> then give me a list of who are kubuntu ops
[15:00] <ikonia> however staff only step in to emergency situations if ubuntu ops are not around
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> not #ubuntu ops
[15:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> If you wont, then just stop taLKING
[15:00] <ikonia> #ubuntu/#kubuntu ops are the same people
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> The issue doesnt apply to #ubuntu
[15:01] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: the sooner you realise I'm giving you the information you need, and stop talking to me like a dog the easier you'll find it
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Besides your obvious grudge
[15:01] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: any of the ops in here can help you, I'm trying to find one for you
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> I aint talking to you like a dog
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Im telling you to stop instigating the issue
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Cause that is all you ever do with me
[15:01] <jayne> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm not a named staffer for #ubuntu or #kubuntu. You probably want someone who's on the access list of whichever channel and has +o.
[15:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> jayne: ok, thank you :)
[15:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> Too bad it seems the only one available is ythe one on my mental ignore list
[15:02] <ikonia> stop referencing ignore lists
[15:02] <ikonia> it will be alot easier if you just communicate clearly and wait for an op - I'm trying to find one for you
[15:02] <ikonia> it's not helping, if you could just wait quietly, I'll try to get one for you ASAP
[15:04] <ikonia> GiGaHuRtZ: I'm really sorry, but no-one else is around/active at the moment, I can either put a note in that you want to speak to someone as soon as possible, or can go through it with you now ?
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> go through what?
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> I did nothing wrong in #kubuntu
[15:05] <ikonia> the reason I've just banned you and hopefully remove it
[15:05] <ikonia> I can explain that to you if you are comfortable with that,
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> I would like my ban removed so I may recieve support
[15:05] <ikonia> or I can put a note for you to speak to someone else
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> Go right ahead
[15:05] <ikonia> great, thank you
[15:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> Cause I dont feel like waiting
[15:06] <GiGaHuRtZ> But I am making it clear that afterwards, I wish to have no communications with you.
[15:06] <ikonia> ok - we'll leave it there then, I'm not being told the rules of the channel
[15:06] <GiGaHuRtZ> What?
[15:06] <ikonia> I suggest you wait for someone else.
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> No, you said you would deal with my issue. Soi lets get down
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> I wanna deal with it, with you, mono mono
[15:07] <ikonia> as there is no-one free at the moment (I tried to contact them for you) I suggest parting and re-joining after 15 minutes and seeing if someone is free
[15:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> Umm, you just said you would deal with it
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> So, lets deal with it.
[15:08] <ikonia> yes, and you just told me after I unban you - you want no communication from me - I'm sorry, you dont get to dicate the terms, someone else can deal with you
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ok thats fine
[15:08] <ikonia> I've put a note to the other ops to assist you if possible
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> I will just purposefully evade your bans then
[15:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> Dumbass
[15:08] <ikonia> they are not free, so /part - and try 15 - 20 minutes
[15:08] <ikonia> jayne: I hope you can deal with that then
[15:09] <ikonia> as he seems to only believe what you say
[18:21] <ikonia> chu: well, goddard has now joined another channel just to call me names, so certainly a quality individual
[18:23] <bazhang> users like that, who join, spam and quit; I report to freenode staff
[18:24] <bazhang> once they do it in enough channels, idoru usually gets involved
[18:24] <chu> He's petty if it's come to this, that was what surprised me so much.
[18:24] <ikonia> freenode staff don't care about that
[18:25] <ikonia> it's pretty annoying as it just disrupts another channel for no reason
[18:25] <ikonia> (from that channels perspective)
[18:25] <bazhang> if its cross network, and he's spreading that link in enough channels, they do
[18:25] <ikonia> ahh he wasn't spreadin the link
[18:25] <ikonia> he posted the link in #ubuntu - was asked not to 3 times, argued it 3 times, got forwarded to here
[18:26] <ikonia> but then joins other channels to just call me a baby and /part
[18:26] <bazhang> that was the first thing he did upon entry
[18:26] <bazhang> if you mean ##linux
[18:26] <ikonia> so from the other channels point of view, it' just causes a disruption
[18:26] <ikonia> yes,
[18:26] <bazhang> he did post a link, yes
[18:26] <ikonia> did he post a link in ##linux too, I missed that, Ijust saw him call me a name and /part
[18:27] <ikonia> so he did
[18:27] <bazhang> yes. the name calling was last
[18:27] <ikonia> well, you can talk to freenode staff about it, but this sort of thing is of no concern
[18:27] <ikonia> it's not a "bad" link, it was just offtopic for #ubuntu
[18:27] <bazhang> I will
[18:27] <Pricey> Howdy
[18:27] <ikonia> good luck with it,
[18:27] <bazhang> hi
[18:28] <bazhang> goddard is cross network spamming links
[18:28] <bazhang> join, spam, quit
[18:28] <Pricey> They don't seem to be online?
[18:28] <bazhang> wonder how they keep their cloaks when they do that enough
[18:29] <ikonia> bazhang: the same way GiGaHuRtZ keeps a cloak while telling staff he's going to evade bans
[18:29] <Pricey> Do you think removal would stop the issue?
[18:29] <bazhang> for now, yes
[18:29] <ikonia> I think it's useful for GiGaHuRtZ yes, so we can see if he's trying to evade the bans, for goddard, no not really.
[18:30] <ikonia> I don't care, I'm just sad another channel gets disrupted so some guy can call names
[18:30] <ikonia> there is no need for it at all to spill into other channels
[18:30] <ikonia> the same way the lancer guy and his other 8 accounts have cloaks, it makes it hard to track them
[18:31] <ikonia> last ikonia
[18:32] <bazhang> I thought only 5 were cloaked
[18:32] <ikonia> lost track/count
[18:32] <Pricey> ikonia: You would like me to remove gigahurtz's ban so that we can see if he tries to join #ubuntu again... evading the ban placed on his cloak? This sounds silly.
[18:33] <Pricey> *remove gigathurtz's cloak
[18:33] <ikonia> Pricey: not quite no,
[18:33] <goddard> hi ikonia
[18:33] <ikonia> goddard: yes ?
[18:33] <goddard> still acting like a baby?
[18:34] <ikonia> goddard: do you want to have a normal polite conversation, or name calling ?
[18:34] <goddard> i am not name calling I am calling it like I see it
[18:34] <goddard> you kicked me because I brought up a game
[18:34] <goddard> pretty lame
[18:34] <bazhang> goddard, did you have any issue regarding #ubuntu bans?
[18:35] <Pricey> bazhang: I think that's a safe bet considering he's ban forwarded here.
[18:35] <bazhang> goddard, are you still there?
[18:35] <goddard> bazhang: im talking with ikonia at the moment
[18:36] <bazhang> Pricey, then that should be the focus of our discussion here, I would imagine
[18:36] <Pricey> bazhang: Pardon?
[18:36] <bazhang> goddard, I'll be happy to do that right now
[18:37] <bazhang> Pricey, ie, other than the name calling
[18:37] <goddard> bazhang: I will be happy to discuss it with the person that is being a nazi
[18:38] <goddard> you can't kick some one for bringing up a game and claiming it is spam
[18:38] <bazhang> goddard, that is not the way to resolve this: calling names
[18:38] <goddard> bazhang: i resolve my issues how i see fit
[18:38] <goddard> dont be so sensative
[18:38] <goddard> ikonia gave me a bad experience as an Ubuntu user for bringing up a game
[18:38] <bazhang> goddard, the ubuntu channels are for support only, not spreading links about things you find interesting
[18:39] <bazhang> any other op present at the time would have done the same
[18:39] <goddard> this whole support only thing in the ubuntu channel is crap
[18:39] <goddard> i talk in that place all the time
[18:39] <goddard> and help people
[18:39] <goddard> its both
[18:40] <bazhang> goddard, thats your view, and we have a channel for that:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:41] <goddard> this is so lame
[18:41] <goddard> seriously its for lames do you understand that?
[18:41] <bazhang> goddard, so regardless of your view on the channels policy, it is for support only
[18:41] <goddard> bazhang: you uphold lame rules
[18:41] <goddard> no talking in a community channel
[18:42] <bazhang> goddard, its a busy channel, and they  have been there from very early on, long before the majority of us were even ops
[18:43] <goddard> its lame dude it makes lame duck police come out of the wood work for nothing... what is a moderator even good for it is just text on a screen?
[18:44] <bazhang> there are numerous offtopic and social channels to spread links and chit chat. I suggest you avail yourself of them
[18:44] <goddard> i guess so
[18:47] <bazhang> goddard, thats clear then. Was there anything else?
[18:54] <bazhang> goddard, are you still there?
[19:21] <bazhang> goddard, if there is nothing else, please exit the channel
[19:49] <ikonia> goddard: you there ?
[20:05] <Pricey> I for one look forward to them returning to complain about their still in-effect ban.
[20:05] <ikonia> I've already sent them a pm to ask them to nudge me when they free to sort it
[20:05] <ikonia> so it's not in the "air" and it can be closed, hopefully well


[05:33] <barrydk> Morning all
[05:44] <GnikLlort> morning
[06:13] <pieter2627> good day all
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:30] <Kilos> moning all, i go sort sheep
[06:30] <Kilos> morning too
[06:31] <GnikLlort> morning
[06:57] <mazal> mornings
[06:58] <Kilos> hi mazal barrydk
[06:58] <mazal> gaanit oom ?
[06:59] <Kilos> koud en daar
[06:59] <Kilos> global warming has changed things
[07:00] <Kilos> used to be if pts temp showed 4°c on weather we got ice outsside
[07:00] <Kilos> now its anything from 7°c and below
[07:00] <Kilos> pta
[07:01] <mazal> Ag just another &*%^&^ day in IT support
[07:01] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:05] <mazal> Global warming is a myth , it's getting colder every year
[07:06] <Kilos> yeah or we getting older and weaker
[07:07] <barrydk> Julle kan darem kerm en kla soos 'n klomp ou anties magies, nous ek ook skoon depresief
[07:37] <Kilos> lol
[07:37] <mazal> Die oom raas darem erg met ons vanmore
[07:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:48] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:48] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: tell cryterion ping!
[08:44] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Sure, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[08:44] <Kilos> ai! die krag darem
[08:50] <TinuvaMac> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/op-ed-how-i-gave-up-alternating-current/
[08:50] <TinuvaMac> crazy dude that is
[08:50] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[08:51] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[09:39] <MaNI> looks like he went full derp
[09:39] <TinuvaMac> indeed
[10:12] <superfly> the thing about alternating current is this: the only reason to use it is because it travels further. internally, all your appliances use DC
[11:14] <MaNI> even that isn't really true
[11:15] <MaNI> see e.g. cahora-basa powerline
[11:15] <MaNI> anyway I'm all for using DC power where possible - it's some of the other stuff he has done that is crazy like the food thing :p
[11:16] <TinuvaMac> yeah i dont think i'd be able to eat slush every day
[11:19] <Kilos> hmm... loadshedding huh!
[11:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[11:40] <MaNI> also the clothes thing
[11:43] <Kilos> ai!
[12:42] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:44] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[16:38] <superfly> Our phone line is so stuffed.
[16:39] <Kilos-> eish
[16:39] <superfly> Earlier today it rang, my wife picked it up, there were two ladies on the other side taking to each other, and they apparently couldn't hear her.
[16:39] <Kilos-> wow
[16:40] <Kilos-> i thought that stopped happening with nommer asb
[16:40] <Kilos-> the old manual switchboards
[16:41] <superfly> I don't know. As you can imagine, our ADSL is stuffed up.
[16:42] <superfly> Connects for 10 minutes, then disconnects, then it connects but is slow
[16:42] <superfly> Etc
[16:51] <Kilos-> very bad the need to do lotsa work ther
[16:55] <Kilos-> or when kabels were stolen they connected new ones up wrong
[17:01] <Kilos-> supper
[18:01] <magespawn> good evening
[18:01] <Kilos-> hi magespawn
[18:03] <magespawn> hi Kilos- nice tail
[18:04] <Kilos-> uh oh
[18:04] <Kilos-> i forgot
[18:04] <Kilos-> im on lappy
[18:05] <Kilos> sitting on bed is much warmer
[18:05] <magespawn> yes indeed
[18:16] <magespawn> so whats up Kilos ?
[18:24] <Kilos> working with pro to make him loadshedding free for meetings
[18:30] <magespawn> nice, jubane pretroleum does battries, going to investigate in the morning
[18:31] <Kilos> keep peeps informed on prices
[18:31] <magespawn> will do
[18:32] <magespawn> they also do complete systems, setup and installed
[18:32] <magespawn> but that will probable be rather pricey
[18:34] <magespawn> s/probable/probably
[18:44] <gremble> Evening
[18:48] <magespawn> hi gremble
[18:49] <gremble> Does anyone here know how to get a mailing list up and running?
[18:49] <gremble> Hey magespawn
[18:50] <magespawn> you need a server and software, i think the software is open source, check out mailing list site
[18:50] <magespawn> Kilos: where is our mailing list site?
[18:51] <gremble> Mailman seems like the go-to software. But I don't think I am going to go through that. I found google groups give a similar service
[18:51] <gremble> I am going to try that out and see how it works
[18:51] <gremble> I want to get the TuksLUG back up
[18:51] <gremble> Seeing as I got hassled for not doing anything ;) :P
[18:51] <magespawn> i think the dlug does something on google groups
[18:51] <magespawn> good idea either
[18:51] <magespawn> way
[18:55] <gremble> Since tuks is an academic institution, do you think I can say something like "TLUG is for the support and promotion of libre software and the GNU/Linux eco-system in an academic environment"?
[19:01] <magespawn> that is a bit limiting isn't it? \
[19:02] <magespawn> why only an academic environment?
[19:03] <gremble> Because there is like a million others, and it is not limited to academia. Just more specific I would say. A niche
[19:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:11] <Kilos> hi gremble
[19:11] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> im reading back log
[19:12] <gremble> I thought you left. Everytime I was here during the weekend, you seemed to be gone :P
[19:12] <Kilos> magespawn its on our site
[19:12] <Kilos> lists.ubuntu.com and somewhere in there is a za bit
[19:12] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[19:13] <Kilos> in there when you go join you will find it
[19:13] <Kilos> i dont have emails here on lappy
[19:16] <gremble> well, https://groups.google.com/d/forum/tuks-linux-user-group There. It exists now. I'll figure out a better description and see how I can get people to join up. I'll do a domain sometime in the future.
[19:17] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:17] <superfly> gremble: most shared hosting packages already have mailman set up
[19:17] <superfly> gremble: ping SubOracle
[19:18] <gremble> Ah I am not going to pay for shared hosting. I mean, I would if I could. I almost bought a domain over the weekend. But I cannot afford it at present
[19:19] <superfly> gremble: you can't afford R20 a month?
[19:20] <gremble> Nope. Not at the moment.
[19:20] <gremble> I'm at R10 petrol intervals XD
[19:21] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[19:21] <kulelu88> hey folks. who is good with SSH here?
[19:21] <kulelu88> ola gremble-ino
[19:23] <Kilos> who  is good with lappies here
[19:23] <Kilos> hatefull things
[19:23] <gremble> What seems to be the matter Kilos ?
[19:24] <Kilos> metimes it swops words around
[19:24] <Kilos> tara says im bumping the touchpad while typing
[19:24] <kulelu88> who is tara?
[19:25] <Kilos> my daughter
[19:25] <kulelu88> place your hands away from the touchpad when typing
[19:25] <Kilos> can i disable the touchpad thing somewhere
[19:25] <gremble> Yes you can
[19:25] <octoquad> Kilos, hi. There is normally an option in keyboard settings to disable the touchpad when typing
[19:26] <gremble> The touchpad is controlled by synaptic drivers
[19:26] <Kilos> i think i might be jackets
[19:26] <Kilos> oh yay ty octoquad
[19:26] <Kilos> drives me nuts
[19:26] <octoquad> Are you using GNOME or KDE?
[19:27] <Kilos> kde
[19:27] <octoquad> ah, I don't know where that setting is, but I'm sure it will be in the same place :)
[19:27] <octoquad> somewhere
[19:28] <octoquad> and hopefully works
[19:28] <octoquad> lol
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <Kilos> terrible things laptops
[19:28] <Kilos> but closer to bed so good for winter
[19:28] <gremble> https://askubuntu.com/questions/530937
[19:28] <gremble> There seems to be an answer
[19:28] <gremble> I don't know if that would apply to you
[19:29] <kulelu88> what does your daughter do for a living? Kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> sings and draws
[19:30] <Kilos> does anima art for peeps
[19:30] <Kilos> anime
[19:30] <kulelu88> was she on x-factor? haha
[19:31] <Kilos> yes
[19:32] <magespawn> kulelu88: i am relatively good with ssh
[19:32] <kulelu88> darn, Kilos is the dad of a famous musician
[19:32] <kulelu88> magespawn: can you explain the security flaws people are mentioning here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10004678
[19:32] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zartVqbOY-Y
[19:33] <kulelu88> I don't even have a config in my ssh folder
[19:35] <Kilos> kulelu88 darn, Kilos is the dad of a famous musician ??
[19:35] <Kilos> i sing in the shower
[19:36] <kulelu88> did my sentence not make sense? Kilos
[19:36] <gremble> I once sang in the shower. The water stopped until I did
[19:36] <Kilos> kulelu88 nope
[19:36] <Kilos> haha  gremble
[19:37] <kulelu88> I was shocked to find out Kilos "darn!!! I didn't know Kilos daughter went on x-factor!!!"
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> that was years ago now
[19:38] <magespawn> kulelu88: i am going to take my time to read through all of that
[19:39] <kulelu88> shocking right magespawn . i need to also assign special keys for each service I SSH into
[19:41] <magespawn> i thought the idea behind ssh was to have a different key for each server
[19:41] <kulelu88> if you're using that 1 public key, it is the same key for each server
[19:43] <magespawn> the public key needs to be known anyway, or else how to people authenticate who it is?
[19:43] <magespawn> The authenticity of host 'whoami.filippo.io (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[19:43] <magespawn> RSA key fingerprint is c8:9a:b0:9d:59:96:24:37:70:4c:ef:eb:31:47:68:40.
[19:43] <magespawn> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
[19:43] <kulelu88> he is basically using githubs public keys to find out who you are
[19:44] <magespawn> see this, i think means, they do not have a signed certificate, so you would be a nuts to connect anyway
[19:44] <magespawn> because the publc key is linked to an account?
[19:44] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:44] <magespawn> night mazal
[19:45] <gremble> that "authenticity of host" think you get when you connect to github too (the only thing I use SSH for currently)
[19:47] <magespawn> i thought for ssh to work securely, at the host authentication stage, you would need a certificate of some sort
[19:49] <magespawn> well it did not show any of my public keys and i have several
[19:50] <kulelu88> most hosts will give you that error message
[19:51] <magespawn> you could manually add them to the known hosts file first
[19:52] <magespawn> and the key fingerprint should show you that you are connecting to the same host after the first connection
[20:08] <inetpro> good evening
[20:09] <gremble> wassup dawg
[20:12] <MaNI> eve
[20:12] <Kilos> hi ma
[20:12] <Kilos> MaNI
[20:13] <gremble> kulelu88: https://groups.google.com/d/forum/tuks-linux-user-group I made it, finally haha
[20:13] <Kilos> octoquad kde has a function- disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in, ty
[20:14] <kulelu88> how many members? gremble
[20:14] <gremble> Me. I just made it
[20:14] <gremble> hah
[20:16] <kulelu88> well its a start ;)
[20:17] <inetpro> gremble: +1
[20:18] <inetpro> not that I have anything to do with tuks :-)
[20:19] <kulelu88> gremble: what is the primary linux OS that the COS department supports?
[20:30] <gremble> kulelu88: the labs run on Arch linux at the moment if I recall
[20:30] <gremble> It used to be debain
[20:31] <octoquad> np Kilos
[20:31] <kulelu88> arch linux ... ... ...
[20:32] <Kilos> i ove kde
[20:33] <Kilos> but will take forever to learn all it is capable of doing
[20:33] <Kilos> maybe never learn it all
[20:33] <gremble> KDE is very customizable
[20:34] <kulelu88> they used to be ubuntu users at COS
[20:34] <kulelu88> I wouldn't be surprised if the lecturers use Win though
[20:34] <gremble> Same
[20:34] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:35] <gremble> Night kulelu88
[20:35] <gremble> Kilos:
[20:35] <Kilos> hehe
[20:35] <gremble> I'm going to hit the sack too
[20:35] <gremble> I should've gone to bed like 30min ago
[20:45] <magespawn> good night all


[00:39] <mfisch> When doing merges of desktop packages via UDD do you guys typically set distoseries to UNRELEASED for the MP?
[00:42] <RAOF> mfisch: If it's intended to land as-is, I'd set distroseries to saucy.
[00:42] <mfisch> RAOF: okay. my team uses UNRELEASED to prevent dputting from non-trunk, so I was curious. Thanks
[00:46] <RAOF> I use UNRELEASED for everything but the final dput, but when you're proposing a merge like that my view would be that you're doing a dput-by-proxy ☺
[02:49] <mterry> desrt, regarding your deja-dup hook script, no.
[02:56] <desrt> mterry: i found an awesome way to compact git repos
[02:58] <mterry> desrt, do tell
[02:58] <mterry> desrt, ah, and you want that before backup
[02:58] <desrt> mterry: yes.  precisely.
[02:59] <desrt> shrank my ~6GB of ~/code/ into ~15M
[02:59] <mterry> oh nice
[02:59] <desrt> and being as ~/code/ is the largest thing i have outside of ~/.cache/ this has a rather substantial impact on running time for dejadup
[02:59] <mterry> desrt, you could add a wrapper deja-dup script in ~/bin or something
[02:59] <mterry> desrt, but no official support.  There is a feature request bug I think
[03:00] <desrt> ya... i want something a bit nicer than that, i think
[03:00] <desrt> i also don't exactly just want a hook
[03:01] <desrt> i rather want a way to say "ya... this directory, let me give you some files to backup instead of what you find on the disk"
[03:01] <mterry> desrt, eh.  You could point deja-dup at ~/SmallCode instead of ~/Code and use a hook to sync the two right before backup
[03:01] <desrt> ya.  this is exactly what i was pondering
[03:01] <desrt> then put ~/code/ on the ignore list...
[03:02] <desrt> trouble is that not all stuff in ~/code/ is tuckable
[03:02] <desrt> (i call this new thing 'git tuck')
[03:02] <mterry> :)
[03:03] <mterry> alright, got to go to bed
[03:03] <desrt> ciao.
[03:39] <pitti> Good morning
[04:08] <Mirv> cyphermox: regarding the precise SRU patch piloting, I believe didrocks will want to do that as we have a history of doing that and he has the test document already
[07:11] <sil2100> Morning!
[07:12] <sil2100> Mirv: Im currently walking around the city looking for a place with free wifi
[07:13] <sil2100> Since it seems this city doesnt like free wifi, and mc donnalds filters out everything non-http
[07:13] <sil2100> But I see some hotspots I can try hacking into
[07:13] <sil2100> I mean, connecting into
[07:24] <Mirv> sil2100: :)
[07:24] <Mirv> and morning
[07:25] <Mirv> http should be enough for everybody (tm)
[07:25] <Mirv> actually, using corkscrew and friends even just http + forced proxy is usually enough for everything I do
[07:29] <sil2100> I would like to use irc normally, and while I use it locally, I would kike to have access to all the neat ports
[07:31] <sil2100> I need a proxy, *sighs*
[07:35] <lifeless> I need a hero?
[08:07] <Laney> ahoy
[08:59] <sil2100> Already have a question to didrocks, it's harder for me without him it seems ;)
[09:13] <sil2100> Mirv: do you know by any chance if all of our build-next projects are using autopilot 1.3 already?
[09:14] <sil2100> Mirv: since I noticed unity from the unity stack in Head was still using autopilot 1.2 strangely, even though our PPA already offers 1.3
[09:15] <sil2100> (but it was fetching it from the archives instead)
[09:37] <Mirv> (sil2100 gone, but merges still pending)
[10:07] <pitti> Laney: ah, thanks for http://people.canonical.com/~laney/upower-dbus-usage
[10:07] <Laney> np - it's a very dumb grep ATM though
[10:07] <pitti> Laney: for "to build list of packages using UPower for suspend/hibernate", are you going to use a pad again? (or the same pad)
[10:08] <Laney> I'll spend some time triaging it soon
[10:08] <Laney> yeah, probably a pad to avoid BP mail spam
[10:08] <pitti> i. e. http://pad.ubuntu.com/saucy-logind-transition
[10:08] <Laney> no opinion on the URL yet :-)
[10:08] <Laney> whoever does the work first can choose
[10:11] <pitti> Laney: I'm a bit confused -- so https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/indicator-datetime/use-upower/+merge/153809 was merged on 2013-05-03 with said commit message
[10:11] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+changelog has autolandings from 13.05.06
[10:11] <pitti> is that subsumed under "* Stop using ConsoleKit (LP: #1156613)"?
[10:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1156613 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Stop using ConsoleKit" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156613
[10:11] <Laney> I think that some manual mangling of the changelog happened
[10:11] <pitti> oh, apparently yes
[10:12] <pitti> the changelog is the bug title, not the merge commit message
[10:12] <Laney> right, those don't get used
[10:12] <Laney> for d/changelog anyway
[10:12] <pitti> apt-get source shows that this is in, so this is done
[10:12] <Laney> I lost track a bit about what happened to those around release time
[10:12]  * pitti moves
[10:13] <pitti> thanks
[10:13] <Laney> there were split raring and trunk branches which had to be merged, and blah blah
[10:13] <Laney> cyphermox_ sorted it out anyway
[10:13]  * Laney puts the Queen's speech on
[10:13] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22441280 you know you want to watch too
[10:27] <mlankhorst> they're red
[10:36] <mlankhorst> Laney: why do I cringe every time I hear more mucking with intellectual property
[10:36] <Laney> because you have no faith in politicians
[10:37] <mlankhorst> am I wrong? :p
[10:37] <Laney> dunno what these plans are
[10:38] <mlankhorst> making it easier for companies to lift copyrighted 'orphan works'
[10:39] <Laney> the eu is doing stuff on that too
[10:40] <mlankhorst> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/
[10:40] <Laney> yeah i wouldn't trust that site's journalism
[11:48] <cyphermox_> Laney, mlankhorst: if you look at anything on thereg; look at the BOFH pages :)
[11:49] <Laney> heh, yeah, those are alright
[11:49] <Laney> they have some curious hatred of wikipedia
[11:50] <mlankhorst> who maintains the unity packages in ubuntu?
[11:50] <cyphermox_> Laney: http://xkcd.com/978/
[11:50] <cyphermox_> mlankhorst: various people, what do you need?
[11:51] <mlankhorst> cyphermox_: well i fixed up x 1.14 now, and made a xorg-server-omap-revert package to keep the pandaboard running. some coordination for uploading the pointer barrier fixes at the same time as xserver
[11:53] <sil2100> cyphermox_: morning!
[11:54] <cyphermox_> sil2100: hey
[11:55] <sil2100> cyphermox_: I was looking at the states of the stacks and wanted to check if autopilot 1.3 is already used for the projects, but I noticed for instance that unity from the unity stack Head still uses autopilot 1.2 even though 1.3 is in our PPA already
[11:55] <sil2100> cyphermox_: do you know why it's still only using 1.2 from the archives and not 1.3 from our PPA?
[11:56] <cyphermox_> sil2100: without checking, no
[11:56] <Laney> sil2100: which PPA?
[11:57] <cyphermox_> Laney: indeed, that's probably the best question to figure this out
[11:58] <sil2100> Laney: daily-build-next
[11:58] <Laney> link?
[11:58] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next
[11:59] <Laney> sil2100: what's an example of a bad build in that PPA?
[11:59] <sil2100> Laney: what do you mean by 'bad build'
[11:59] <Laney> one which got the wrong autopilot
[12:00] <cyphermox_> Laney: it doesn't translate into a failed build
[12:00] <cyphermox_> it's a failed test though
[12:00] <Laney> I didn't say failed
[12:00] <sil2100> cyphermox_: hmm, not really
[12:00] <Laney> how can you see that it didn't do what you wanted?
[12:00] <sil2100> cyphermox_: since the thing is:
[12:00] <sil2100> Wait a moment guys
[12:00] <cyphermox_> sil2100: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/283/label=autopilot-nvidia/console ?
[12:01]  * Laney stab vpn stab
[12:01] <cyphermox_> I hear you ;)
[12:01] <sil2100> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/283/label=autopilot-ati/consoleFull
[12:01] <sil2100> Right
[12:01]  * sil2100 stabs himself
[12:01] <sil2100> But this one for isntance was ok, all ok
[12:01] <sil2100> And the thing is!
[12:01] <sil2100> It's not even using unity trunk here!
[12:02] <sil2100> It's using Unity from the raring archives :|
[12:02] <sil2100> Why is it using unity from the archives, since it was supposed to check the latest unity from the daily-build-next PPA instead
[12:02] <sil2100> As this is what the job is for
[12:02] <cyphermox_> sil2100: check configuration, make sure the package is listed in testpackages:
[12:03] <cyphermox_> Laney: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/283/
[12:03] <cyphermox_> this is the public copy of the same data ^
[12:03] <sil2100> cyphermox_: unity-autopilot is, and it's still installing it from raring it seems...
[12:03] <sil2100> cyphermox_: since installed_test_packages says:
[12:03] <sil2100> unity-autopilot is already the newest version.
[12:04] <sil2100> Which is not true, as the PPA should have a newer version
[12:05] <Laney> I don't see anything about the PPA in the apt-get update output
[12:05] <Laney> but we've gone into jenkins which means I have no clue what's going on so /me runs away screaming
[12:07] <cyphermox_> good move.
[12:08] <sil2100> I'll look into that in more detail then, thanks guys ;) Just wanted to know if there was something obvious going on
[12:08] <sil2100> But it seems nothing jenkins is obvious
[12:11] <cyphermox_> sil2100: there's not
[12:11] <cyphermox_> everything seems to me like it should have taken the new version, but it didn't
[12:12] <cyphermox_> evidently something is either wrong in the configuration, or in the code for the check jobs.
[12:19] <sil2100> Actually...
[12:19] <sil2100> cyphermox_: there's no unity in the daily-build-next PPA
[12:19] <sil2100> ?!
[12:19] <sil2100> Ok, there is
[12:19] <sil2100> cyphermox_: scratch that
[12:19] <cyphermox_> yeah, there are two :)
[12:20] <cyphermox_> one for raring and one for saucy. both build the unity-autopilot source package
[12:23] <sil2100> And for instance now the new test infrastructure would be useful, as we could simply fetch the test snapshot and check what exactly happened on the test system
[12:23] <cyphermox_> sil2100: mind if I let you hack at it for now, I'll tackle the other issues?
[12:23] <cyphermox_> hahah yeah :)
[12:23] <sil2100> cyphermox_: no problem, I'll poke you if I have some insider questions ;)
[12:24] <cyphermox_> autopilot-qt had an issue, and I reran head-phone just to check if we could convince that small one to go green
[12:24] <cyphermox_> sil2100: #ubuntu-unity; we can leave -desktop for the desktopy stuff.
[12:25] <cyphermox_> sil2100: heh, the phone stack tests will undoubtedly fail, utah is as wedged as ever.
[12:27]  * sil2100 sighs
[12:47] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter_: can you kill https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop ? it's nothing more than a work item for the xorg session
[12:55] <cyphermox_> mlankhorst: about unity coordination stuff; wanna ping in #ubuntu-unity? you'll run a better chance of getting the right people.
[12:55] <cyphermox_> sil2100: this one is quite interesting: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/qml-friends/bootstrap-message/+merge/162971
[12:56] <cyphermox_> I'm not necessarily asking for a review from you, I think robru or ken should take a look, but I wrote the explanation for why the change is needed and there are links
[12:57] <mlankhorst> cyphermox_: well there's still a blocker for now, I guess when new nvidia-tegra lands I can get serious about moving x1.14 to saucy
[12:57] <cyphermox_> ok
[13:01] <sil2100> cyphermox: it seems a rather obvious fix, so I can review it and approve
[13:01] <sil2100> Good catch!
[13:02] <cyphermox> you're in super-friends?
[13:02] <cyphermox> how come I'm not in the cool kids group? :'(
[13:02]  * cyphermox cries
[13:02] <sil2100> It seems I am, since I can approve the merge it seems ;p But I don't know why!
[13:02] <sil2100> Since I never ever did anything super-friend'ly
[13:03] <cyphermox> right.
[13:16] <attente> sil2100, hi
[13:20] <sil2100> attente: hello!
[13:22] <attente> so i'm not really sure what else is needed to land unity-gtk-module
[13:22] <attente> i merged your ap-fixes branch, thanks for that
[13:23] <sil2100> attente: thanks for reviewing - do the tests as they look currently work OK on your system?
[13:24] <attente> yes, they do
[13:26] <attente> we still have a couple of gtk patches to remove it seems
[13:28] <sil2100> attente: ok, so let me check if it all works here as well
[13:29] <sil2100> attente: I also need to check what's the status with 13.04, but I need robru for that
[13:29] <sil2100> attente: since I have no clue what's happening with that - once I have a clear situation here, I'll do what needs to be done to re-enable it in daily build
[13:30] <sil2100> attente: s/13.04/autopilot 1.3
[13:30]  * sil2100 needs coffee
[13:31] <attente> heh, ok
[13:31] <attente> thanks
[13:39] <tkamppeter_> mlankhorst, hi
[13:43] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, hi
[13:43] <mlankhorst> what i said above, there is no point in an entire session for a single bug, so please take it down :)
[13:44] <sil2100> robru: could you ping me when you're here?
[13:46] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, it is not about this single bug. The bug is one work item. Other points are implementation of touch gestures (pinch to zoom, scroll by dragging, right click (long press? Ctrl+tap? ...), script triggered by flipping the screen of a convertible, how the convertible should behave in tablet mode, ...
[13:48] <mlankhorst> I honestly have no idea about that
[13:49] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I created this session to find the right people to take care of all these parts. Perhaps also the people who worked on the Nexus 7 can help here.
[17:02] <robru> cyphermox, sil2100 : hey, just woke up.
[17:05] <robru> cyphermox, ~super-friends contains ~canonical-product-strategy, are you not in that one?
[17:06] <cyphermox> I am not
[17:06] <robru> cyphermox, you should get in that one, it gives you near-godlike powers over launchpad ;-)
[17:06] <cyphermox> robru: sil2100: Mirv: figured out the issue with the API calls after all.
[17:07] <cyphermox> heh
[17:12] <cyphermox> I'm not sure I want that kind of responsibility ;)
[17:12]  * cyphermox -> lunch
[17:41] <larsu> desrt: do you know if we'll get the new gtk this cycle? Or will we stay on 3.8?
[17:41]  * larsu needs to update his custom menu item ipatch
[17:41] <desrt> i guess we'll get the new one...
[17:41] <desrt> no seb today?
[17:41] <larsu> I think it's a public holiday in France
[17:41] <desrt> btw: i landed the gtkmenutrackeritem patch
[17:41] <desrt> jasper is currently pouring over it
[17:41] <larsu> ah, nice!
[17:42] <desrt> i'd appreciate the same from you, since you will be the other consumer
[17:42] <larsu> let me guess, he hates the Gtk namespace?
[17:42] <desrt> ya.... he wants egg
[17:42] <desrt> we discussed it
[17:42] <desrt> not going to happen
[17:42] <larsu> ugh, that's equally stupid
[17:42] <larsu> have a bug #?
[17:43] <desrt> ya
[17:44] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699934
[17:44] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 699934 in GtkApplication "add GtkMenuTrackerItem" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[19:05] <sil2100> robru: hi!
[19:06] <sil2100> robru: so, what I wanted is - what's the state of the 1.3 autopilot transition?
[19:16] <sil2100> robru: ping
[19:17] <kenvandine> sil2100, i just found out why we are getting so many autopilot failures
[19:17] <kenvandine> the qa guys added some debugging for us
[19:18] <kenvandine> we have autopilot-phablet in testpackages
[19:18] <kenvandine> and that isn't installable
[19:18] <kenvandine> we need autopilot-touch
[19:18] <sil2100> kenvandine: oh
[19:18] <sil2100> autopilot-touch? What's that?
[19:18] <kenvandine> but that also isn't going to be installable... because it depends on python-ubuntu-platform-api
[19:18] <kenvandine> the new autopilot-phablet :)
[19:18] <sil2100> kenvandine: I thought that autopilot-phablet was the touch-based autopilot
[19:18] <kenvandine> they renamed it for 1.3
[19:18] <sil2100> Ah, ok, for 1.3
[19:19] <sil2100> fginther: ping
[19:19] <kenvandine> it's in the ppa
[19:19] <kenvandine> but...
[19:19] <sil2100> fginther: did you quick-fix the generic jobs?
[19:19] <kenvandine> it depends on a missing package
[19:19] <sil2100> kenvandine: that can only be used on devices?
[19:19] <fginther> sil2100, yes, I believe it is working now
[19:19] <kenvandine> not sure
[19:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: I think we'll have to poke thomi about this ultimately, since my understanding was that autopilot 1.3 will be able to 'emulate' touch input even on a desktop device
[19:20] <sil2100> fginther: excellent! Big thanks
[19:20] <fginther> sil2100, np
[19:20] <kenvandine> sil2100, maybe we should change it to autopilot-desktop and see if that works?
[19:21] <kenvandine> sil2100, i have a branch changing it in cups2d
[19:21] <kenvandine> if you can give me a quick approval i'll rerun a job
[19:21] <kenvandine> i can try changing it to autopilot-desktop
[19:21] <kenvandine> oh... i think we can just remove it
[19:22] <sil2100> kenvandine: no problem, send the link ;)
[19:22] <sil2100> kenvandine: I think indeed maybe let's try using the desktop autopilot
[19:22] <sil2100> Maybe it would have bindings for touch for the desktop
[19:23] <fginther> sil2100, kenvandine, for what it's worth. autopilot-desktop is the expected package to use on a desktop install
[19:25] <kenvandine> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/autopilot-touch/+merge/163037
[19:25] <kenvandine> fginther, sil2100: yeah, we had added autopilot-phablet to testpackages as a hack to work around it not getting installed before
[19:26] <kenvandine> we don't need it at all now, there are depends that bring in python-autopilot
[19:26] <kenvandine> which depends on autopilot-touch || autopilot-desktop
[19:30] <fginther> sil2100, there may be autopilot 1.3 issues related to ps-generic-autopilot. It was working with the older 1.2 version where there was no autopilot-touch || autopilot-desktop
[19:34] <fginther> sil2100, I did a local test, looks like it should work
[19:38] <sil2100> \o/
[19:38] <sil2100> kenvandine: approved
[19:40] <kenvandine> sil2100, thanks
[19:40] <kenvandine> i'll redeploy
[19:46] <robru> sil2100, sorry, was on lunch. as far as my end goes, I still haven't made any progress in getting autopilot enabled for webapps. I gotta work with vrruiz on that, it seems stale & incomplete to me
[19:51] <sil2100> robru: hm, ok, so we still need to get that sorted out
[19:55] <kenvandine> fginther, the guy from #qa that helped debug the autopilot/utah issues pointed out a couple other things that should be fixed
[19:56] <kenvandine> are you the right person to fix the utah script?
[19:56] <fginther> kenvandine, yes
[20:20] <robru> ok, I am going to upgrade to suacy... wish me luck!
[20:47] <robru> success!
[20:48] <desrt> robru: boring.
[20:49] <desrt> if you want fun, try an f19 upgrade
[20:50] <robru> haha
[20:50] <desrt> good for that oldschool "i need to debug my bootloader" linux feel
[20:50] <robru> hey desrt, you'd probalby know this: how can I tell what app created a certain window?  maybe?
[20:53] <robru> desrt, well, it's asking me for a password, but I'm not sure for what. It says "for account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which I assume is my google account, so I enter my google account password, but it tells me that it's incorrect. except I just logged into google 2 seconds ago, so I'm quite confident that I know what my password is. so clearly this is asking for soemthing else, and I'm not sur ewhat
[20:54] <robru> so this keeps popping up randomly, and i keep cancelling out of it, and I haven't noticed any features being broken by the inability to login to this thing
[20:54] <desrt> maybe something to do with online accounts?
[20:54] <robru> kenvandine, ^^
[20:54] <robru> ;-)
[20:54] <desrt> maybe use 'ps f' to find out what spawned gcr-prompter?
[20:56] <desrt> well, 'ps xf' you would need
[20:56] <robru> there we go ;-)
[20:57] <desrt> any smoking gun there?
[20:57] <robru> desrt, yep, 'init --user'
[20:57] <robru> ;-)
[20:57] <desrt> that's probably not a smoking gun...
[20:57] <robru> I know
[20:58] <robru> was being sarcastic
[20:58] <desrt> i'm guessing upstart does the prctl() thing to get to be the new grandparent process for everything in the session
[20:58] <desrt> so everything that gets orphaned get picked up by it
[20:58] <robru> desrt, i guess. still not sure what password it wants me to put in there though
[20:59] <robru> or what it's even for
[20:59] <desrt> VIRUS
[20:59] <robru> the online accounts pane in system settings doesn't report any failures
[20:59] <desrt> check seahorse maybe?
[20:59] <desrt> something obvious may turn up in there
[21:01] <robru> desrt, dunno, seahorse opened fine, none of the entries there reference<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:01] <desrt> i'd continue on the previous course of blaming ken, then :)
[21:02] <robru> it looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcr/+bug/1044549
[21:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1044549 in gcr (Ubuntu) "The "Access Prompt" randomly pop up!" [High,Triaged]
[21:03] <robru> oh, workaround in comment #14
[21:03] <robru> yay
[21:04] <desrt> blame rishi, then :)
[21:04]  * desrt wonders why goa is even on ubuntu?
[21:04] <robru> for the gnome remix
[21:04] <robru> I guess
[21:05] <desrt> ah.  you have it installed?
[21:05]  * kenvandine reads back
[21:05] <robru> well, I was using Gnome-Shell through the Quantal cycle, and only switched to Unity at some point early in the raring cycle. so yeah, I had all the gnome stuff installed.
[21:06] <desrt> makes some sense, then
[21:07] <kenvandine> robru, oh... so you figured it out?
[21:07] <robru> kenvandine, I guess so. it remains to be seen if the workaround from that bug actually fixes it or not though
[21:07] <kenvandine> i doubt that is triggered by UOA
[21:08] <robru> yeah, seems a GOA thing that's attacking me from beyond the grave...
[21:09] <robru> https://launchpad.net/gcr also, it seems pitti is to blame ;-)
[21:15] <robru> brb, gotta run to the store
[21:55] <dupondje> Yeey, Empathy is totally broken :(
[21:57] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1175582 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1177833 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1176757 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1174208 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1173472 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1163961
[21:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1175582 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy not displaying any online contacts" [Undecided,New]
[21:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1177833 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empaty does not connect to any account. and it does not show the yahoo contacts avatar." [Undecided,New]
[21:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1176757 in empathy (Ubuntu) "doesn't connecting to any account except facebook" [Undecided,New]
[21:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1174208 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy shows no contacts in Ubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1173472 in empathy (Ubuntu) "the facebook accounts in empathy shown disconnected" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:58] <dupondje> seems buggy no ? :)


[21:25] <ak_dev> Hello all, could you guys please deploy this bundle https://github.com/AakashKT/ovn-kubernetes-charm/blob/master/bundles/kubernetes-ovn/bundle.yaml, to test it?
[21:26] <ak_dev> This is Kubernetes with OVN, I need to test it on different cloud providers, I have tested it on Google Cloud
[21:27] <ak_dev> thedac, tvansteenburgh, rick_h, kjackal ^^
[21:27] <ak_dev> also, do try to run some pod to test it :-) thank you all
[21:35] <ak_dev> do ping here if you have deployed, for now we have to run 4 commands manually, since I still havn't figured out where to put them, any suggestions welcome :-)