[02:30] <seb128> eruin: could you install the packages on http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ?
[02:30] <eruin> sure
[02:30] <seb128> they have a patch for that
[02:31] <seb128> but since I don't have the bug here, I need people to give feedback on it
[02:31] <seb128> let me know if you get the issue with these packages
[02:31] <eruin> willdo
[02:33] <eruin> installing them now
[02:33] <HostingGeek> ogra: cooool
[02:33] <eruin> seb128: there's no bugreport for this?
[02:34] <della> hiya
[02:35] <della> is it possible to see the debian menu in gnome as it happens in vanilla debian?
[02:35] <HostingGeek> yes
[02:36] <jdub> della: not in warty
[02:36] <jdub> della: if you're running hoary, install menu-xdg
[02:36] <HostingGeek> jdub: what person which used debian will not be using hoary right now?
[02:37] <jdub> HostingGeek: quite a few. silly question.
[02:37] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, what is the debian menu?
[02:37] <della> HostingGeek, me :-)
[02:37] <omoshiroi> sheesh there is alot to update lol.
[02:37] <della> I'm perfectly fine with warty and ubuntu-backports :-)
[02:37] <HostingGeek> della: 0_o
[02:37] <DaNewB> della, me too, for now...
[02:38] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: don't act stupid
[02:38] <omoshiroi> ubuntu has some odd release names.
[02:38] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, what is the debian menu?
[02:38] <jdub> DaNewB: the debian menu is a cross-desktop menu system
[02:38] <jdub> DaNewB: basically, each package has a menu file
[02:39] <ogra> omoshiroi: odd release names ?
[02:39] <jdub> DaNewB: and the menu system generates the right entries for the tool you use (might be a window manager, menu program, whatever)
[02:39] <omoshiroi> yes, warty and hoary, just kinda interesting names.
[02:39] <jdub> DaNewB: gnome used to have hard-coded support for the debian menu
[02:39] <DaNewB> jdub, so would replace "Applications" and "Computer" in Hoary?
[02:40] <jdub> DaNewB: now we use the xdg standard items that menu-xdg generates instead
[02:40] <jdub> DaNewB: no, it's just another category in the applications menu
[02:40] <DaNewB> jdub, sounds cool, i've got a few apps that dont have menu entries
[02:41] <ogra> omoshiroi: suggest better ones (there will be a release every 6 months, son new names are needed soon ;) )
[02:41] <jdub> DaNewB: if they're for things in supported, file bugs.
[02:41] <jdub> DaNewB: if they're for things in universe, we may accept patches.
[02:41] <della> jdub: I have a menu-xdg package installed (from universe)
[02:41] <omoshiroi> ogra hehe, most linux distributions seem to have odd names now that I think of it.
[02:42] <jdub> della: if you're on warty, the debian menu won't appear.
[02:42] <della> jdub: so what is the purpose of menu-xdg in warty?
[02:42] <DaNewB> jdub, sorry, ya , those apps are not supported nor universe (multiverse I think)
[02:42] <jdub> della: it's just sitting in there in universe :)
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> what's the name of the program ran after the reboot in a new installation... the one that configures everything?
[02:43] <jdub> della: anything that uses the xdg standard will include those items
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> need to run it again
[02:43] <jdub> della: gnome didn't support the xdg standard until 2.10 (which is in hoary)
[02:43] <ogra> JamesDotCom: base-config
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> ogra: thanks
[02:44] <omoshiroi> jdub so is hoary going to be the next stable release?
[02:44] <della> jdub: I see
[02:44] <jdub> omoshiroi: yes. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:44] <della> menu-xdg is thrown in by kdelibs4-bin
[02:45] <DaNewB> jdub, im looking forward to Hoary :>
[02:45] <AzN_devil> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp AzN_devil !phone shit  /ctcp AzN_devil !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:12.6 Kbs AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[02:45] <omoshiroi> jdub, could you not just use apt or synaptic to update to a higher gnome?
[02:45] <jdub> AzN_devil: please don't do that.
[02:45] <jdub> omoshiroi: no.
[02:46] <DaNewB> jdub, this is the only distro till now I look forward to the next release but not because im missing anything currently, good sign!
[02:46] <jdub> DaNewB: rockin' ;)
[02:46] <ogra> omoshiroi: ubuntu is tied to the gnome release schedule, so you will get a new gnome if you upgrade to the next stable ubuntu
[02:46] <omoshiroi> ah
[02:46] <omoshiroi> im not really familiar with out debian works or anything, its quite interesting.
[02:47] <omoshiroi> always used slackware up till now.
[02:47] <jdub> omoshiroi: this is ubuntu. :)
[02:47] <omoshiroi> ubuntu is still debian based, uses the same tools and such.
[02:47] <jdub> sure, but the answer to that question is very much an ubuntu answer.
[02:48] <omoshiroi> I am impressed with ubuntu's hardware detection though.
[02:49] <DaNewB> jdub, plus it's 1st time I speak with a dev, which is cool ;)   (except on Gentoo actually)
[02:49] <omoshiroi> Gentoo was nice also.
[02:49] <DaNewB> As i've said before, if it ends in "U", it's good
[02:50] <DaNewB> (except for Debian)
[02:50] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: on gentpoo techinically every one is a devel as they build there own binaries for the whole distro
[02:50] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: haha you nick is bad
[02:50] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, hey! >:(
[02:50] <HostingGeeku> DaNewB: my nick is good now
[02:52] <HostingGeeku> DagaZ: hmm none of the staffers are good
[02:52] <mjr> by the way, someone with hoary and the dev. gnome, is this bug still around: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133211
[02:53] <mjr> (report includes a test program for the bug)
[02:53] <mjr> just wondering if the report's been forgotten...
[02:54] <HostingGeeku> iluvubuntu: watch this
[02:54] <Ubuntu> hehe
[02:54] <omoshiroi> hehe
[02:54] <AcidPils> hi all anyone got fglrx-driver working with the newest version?
[02:55] <HostingGeek> i don't want to get banned iluvubuntu i hope you understand
[02:58] <mjg59> AcidPils: It ought to be in Hoary now
[02:58] <omoshiroi> well im out.
[02:58] <jdub> mjr: every now and then
[02:59] <mjg59> xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:59] <AcidPils> mjg59: i know... but it doesnt work
[02:59] <AcidPils> if i do ap-get install fglrx-driver i get this:
[02:59] <mjr> jdub, hm?
[02:59] <AcidPils> http://nopaste.phpfi.com/46608
[02:59] <AcidPils> any idea?
[03:00] <mjr> jdub, I'll take that as a "yes"? :)
[03:00] <mjr> or rather, :
[03:00] <mjr> or rather, :(
[03:01] <mjg59> AcidPils: Remove xfree86-driver-fglrx first
[03:01] <mjr> 'cause, you know, can't be my fingers that's the problem
[03:02] <AcidPils> mjg59: same problem: Unpacking fglrx-driver and then the same diversions
[03:03] <mjg59> AcidPils: I'd file a bug, then
[03:05] <AzN_devil> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp AzN_devil !phone shit  /ctcp AzN_devil !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:0 cps AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[03:07] <jdub> AzN_devil: please don't do that.
[03:08] <zeedo> jdub: fun, huh :-P
[03:09] <zeedo> been a while since I seen dcc fileservers
[03:09] <AcidPils> hmm.. i did another apt-get upgrade and everything is fine :)
[03:10] <jono> pitti, ping
[03:10] <pitti> jono: pong
[03:10] <jono> pitti, do you remember, a while back I spoke to you about a hack I was writing about project utopia?
[03:10] <cioppi> hello all :)
[03:11] <pitti> jono: I don't remember the particular hack any more, sorry
[03:11] <cioppi> is there any italian?
[03:11] <cioppi> for a pvt session on ubuntu :)
[03:11] <Riddell> cioppi: /join #ubuntu-it
[03:11] <jono> pitti, well you put the pmount patch online at http://www.piware.de/ubuntu/ubuntu-pmount.diff and now the book is going to production phase, that url has been flagged up as dead
[03:11] <cioppi> riddell, i'm on this channel yet :)
[03:12] <pitti> jono: ah, right
[03:12] <cioppi> but there isn't user that can help me about the hardware supported by ubuntu?
[03:12] <pitti> jono: yes, a while ago I cleaned up my webserver
[03:12] <cioppi> excuse me for th bad english.... I'm 12 y-o :-D
[03:12] <jono> pitti, I basically need a new url with the patch before the book can go to production - could you stick it somewhere else online?
[03:12] <pitti> jono: I considered it only a temporary URL
[03:13] <jdub> cioppi: my english was terrible at 12 too :-)
[03:13] <jdub> cioppi: what do you need to know?
[03:13] <cioppi> lol
[03:13] <cioppi> well
[03:13] <pitti> jono: I can use the same URL if you need
[03:13] <jono> pitti, is there anywhere more permenant you can put it
[03:13] <pitti> jono: however, what was this patch about?
[03:13] <cioppi> if my modem *usb* it's supported :)
[03:13] <jono> if possible
[03:13] <jono> brb phone
[03:13] <cioppi> it is the alcatel speedtouch 330
[03:13] <pitti> jono: yes, people.ubuntu.com or people.debian.org
[03:14] <jdub> cioppi: hmm, have you tried the speedtouch package?
[03:14] <cioppi> er.... no :-D
[03:14] <jdub> that's a user space driver - no kernel problems, etc.
[03:14] <jono> pitti,  people.debian.org
[03:15] <cioppi> I haven't yet ubuntu, jdub
[03:15] <jdub> cioppi: there is also the speedtch kernel driver, but i'm not sure which one is better
[03:15] <shizzlean> hi.. how do I enable prt fowarding in ubuntu?
[03:15] <cioppi> jdub, i'm waiting for installing ubuntu before i'm sure that this support my modem :)
[03:16] <shizzlean> oops. port fowarding
[03:16] <shizzlean> ssh specifically
[03:17] <DaNewB> are IRC nicks case-sensitive?
[03:17] <jdub> cioppi: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+speedtouch -> comes up with quite a bit
[03:17] <jono> pitti, back, can you stick patch on people.debian.org for me?
[03:17] <cioppi> oh, yes, thx jdub :)
[03:17] <jdub> cioppi: but ignore the ones that say you should install speedtouch from tarballs - it's all in ubuntu packages :)
[03:18] <pitti> jono: I can, but what was the patch about?
[03:18] <jono> pitti, or wherever, so long as it is online :)
[03:18] <jono> pitti, let me check
[03:19] <shizzlean> can anyone help me enable fowarding of port22 for ssh tunneling?
[03:20] <jono> pitti, it was a patch for g-v-m to use pmount
[03:20] <LeChux> hi! Is there any possibility to install ubuntu via another computer using the network
[03:20] <LeChux> ?
[03:21] <pitti> jono: hmm, Debian sid now uses the pmount approach, btw
[03:22] <pitti> jono: the current Debian fix is much more complicated (because it is more generic)
[03:22] <pitti> jono: it adds some configure options to specify alternate mount programs
[03:22] <pitti> jono: do you want this or just the quick "replace mount by pmount" hack patch?
[03:22] <jono> pitti, you said that the patch basically replaces mount with pmount
[03:22] <jono> pitti, just the quick patch if that is fine :)
[03:23] <pitti> jono: okay
[03:23] <jono> pitti, :)
[03:25] <AzN_devil> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp AzN_devil !phone shit  /ctcp AzN_devil !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:1 Kbs AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[03:26] <jdub> sorry all.
[03:26] <Guardiann> the life of a @ :)
[03:26] <beezly> bah, it had no warez anyway :)
[03:26] <outsider1> no problem jdub, thanx for keeping the chan in good running order! :)
[03:27] <DaNewB> LeChux, maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791
[03:27] <pitti> jono: http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/gnome-volume-manager.pmount.patch
[03:28] <LeChux> DaNewB, thx, lazy me, sry to bother
[03:28] <DaNewB> LeChux, np
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> hey, if i am compilig mplayer from the source, do i need to get the fonts and skins too ?
[03:36] <thepoch> hey folks. just wondering if anyone knows why 3d screensavers work (fast), but glxgears hangs my machine. using a thinkpad t30 here.
[03:37] <jono> pitti, sorry, lost my connection, thanks for that :)
[03:37] <robsta> hi
[03:38] <Guardiann> hello
[03:38] <|blk|> hi - i installed ubuntu last night, just wanted to say it's GREAT! debian with up-to-dateness on my laptop - bliss! :D
[03:39] <robsta> i'd like to jhbuild gnome on my warty box (+xorg from hoary)
[03:39] <robsta> but i'm missing Xauth.h
[03:39] <robsta> for gnome-terminal
[03:39] <robsta> is there something like the distrib/packages site for debian for ubuntu where i can search?
[03:40] <robsta> my pkg sys seems not to know about Xauth.h at all
[03:40] <eekan> if I want to set up ubuntu wiki that looks like the official one how do I do it?
[03:43] <ogra> robsta: its in xlibs-static-dev
[03:44] <funkyhat> is it possible to install network support from the ubuntu CD after installing the os without it?
[03:44] <eekan> any idea where I can get the css and the like?
[03:44] <robsta> ogra: i've got that deb, so maybe the problem is in the gnome-terminal build?
[03:44] <ogra> robsta: no idea, why dont you just use hoary ? it has all this stuff already.....
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: and "locate Xauth.h" yields nothing
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: is it likely to break every now and then?
[03:45] <ogra> robsta: when did you install the package ? (locatedb is only updated once a day)
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: yeah, some weeks ago
[03:46] <ogra> robsta: not more then a warty with xorg from hoary and jhbuild gnome ;)
[03:47] <robsta> ogra: with jhbuild i can always fall back to system gnome, need my machine for work
[03:47] <eekan> ogra any idea if the answer is in the wiki?and if so under what?
[03:47] <ogra> robsta: what you are doing there is building a hoary with a warty base which is not worth the effort i guess....hoary is likely to stabilze since we have a Freeze now
[03:47] <ogra> eekan: look in the sourcecode of the websites for css and stuff
[03:48] <eekan> ogra I don't know much about css..
[03:48] <ogra> eekan:so why do you want to clone the wiki ?
[03:48] <robsta> ogra: ok, thanks anyways, it's just easier to do patches when build from src :-P
[03:49] <ogra> robsta: thats why i user source.debs
[03:49] <ogra> -r
[03:49] <eekan> ogra to make a wiki dedicated to hebrew in ubuntu
[03:49] <eekan> ogra for various reasons it's easier to run it on my own server
[03:50] <jaak> hello... where can i get gtk+-2.0 and gthread-2.0?
[03:52] <warty> hi to all
[03:52] <ogra> eekan: look for sivang, if he is around,, he is a great web guy and cares for hebrew in ubuntu.....i guess he can help you
[03:53] <icerogue> Ok i forgot what is the file that allows me to change what groups a user is in?
[03:53] <jaak> ok i found the gtk+ but where can i find gthread-2.0?
[03:53] <ogra> icerogue: dont edit this file...
[03:53] <ogra> icerogue: use adduser and deluser or the gui tool
[03:54] <icerogue> i use fluxbox so the gui tool is not available
[03:54] <ogra> icerogue: users-admin
[03:55] <ogra> icerogue: unless you deinstalled it
[03:55] <icerogue> i started with the custom option, so i prolly didnt install it in the first place
[03:56] <eekan> ogra I know, I work with him but he was sick for long time and I'm trying to help him out:)
[03:56] <icerogue> lol
[03:56] <ogra> icerogue: then use adduser
[03:57] <ogra> icerogue: sudo adduser <username> <desired group to add him>
[03:58] <icerogue> but how do i get a listing of users and groups?
[03:59] <hidde> Hey guys. I just upgraded to hoary from a pristine warty, and my gnome-panels are very messed up. Can anyone help me figure out what is wrong?
[04:00] <ogra> icerogue: for your current user just type: groups
[04:00] <no0tic> can you tell me what are hoary repositories?
[04:00] <seb128> hidde: define "messed up"
[04:00] <icerogue> for all is what i need, namly the vmail user and the account that courier ant postfix uses
[04:00] <seb128> hidde: all grey ?
[04:01] <no0tic> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[04:01] <ogra> icerogue: for other users: groups <username>
[04:01] <funkyhat> what are the implications of installing ubuntu on one machine and then moving the HDD/network interface to a dfferent machine?
[04:01] <hidde> seb128 yes, panels not loading, grey, and desktop unresponsive. Can't reven right-mouse into a terminal
[04:02] <ogra> no0tic: hoary isnt even out, why should there be updates
[04:02] <seb128> hidde: ok, do you have an i386 ?
[04:02] <no0tic> ogra: ok, thanks
[04:02] <hidde> seb128. i'm running i386 now, yes
[04:02] <seb128> http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/
[04:02] <seb128> please install these deb and try to login again
[04:02] <affi> When I update packages with synaptic, I guess there is stored some kind of log (of what happened, and which packages), but where?
[04:03] <seb128> hidde: these deb are patched for this bug, and I need people who have the bug to say if that works with the patch
[04:03] <hidde> seb128, i'm in a vt right now, can you spell it out for me. I'll have to write it out in another t.
[04:03] <seb128> (I don't have the bug here)
[04:03] <seb128> spell what ?
[04:03] <mjr> funkyhat, should work
[04:03] <funkyhat> mjr, thanks :)
[04:03] <funkyhat> i'm trying anyway
[04:03] <mjr> funkyhat, provided they're not different architectures or anything ;)
[04:03] <hidde> seb128. Can you tell me exactly which commands to run?
[04:04] <seb128> hidde: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-0_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-common_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-dev_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:04] <funkyhat> heh, no, both pentium 166 (or one 166 and one 200)
[04:04] <hidde> btw, isn't there a tool that allows you to copy paste what is under the mouse button in a terminal?
[04:04] <seb128> hidde: that's long ... if you have lftp just lftp http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ and mget *.deb
[04:04] <seb128> then sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:05] <seb128> that's all
[04:05] <herman_> seb128, are those updates gnomepanel related?
[04:05] <seb128> herman_: as said before that's a patched version that might fix the panel/nautilus freeze, I would like some feedback to know if the patch is correct
[04:05] <herman_> seb128, i have some crashing panels in hoary but i'm running amd64 port
[04:06] <seb128> nop, crashing is not the same issue
[04:06] <seb128> install gnome-panel-dbg and put a backtrace in bugzilla please
[04:06] <herman_> seb128, well not really crashing but just an emty bar
[04:06] <hidde> seb128, running mget now
[04:06] <herman_> empty and nothing happens
[04:06] <seb128> herman_: that's it ... do you know how to build a package ?
[04:06] <herman_> so i guess you could call that freezing
[04:06] <seb128> yep, that's the bug
[04:06] <herman_> seb128, well i cant look into it before tomorrow night
[04:07] <herman_> but i'll look into it then
[04:07] <ogra> seb128: i can make amd64 pkgs for you (even i cant confirm the bug here)
[04:07] <hidde> Damn, seb, I should've met you yesterday. Last night I ran into the exact same bug with a setup that was already borked up. I ended up formatting
[04:07] <seb128> herman_: ok, I'll probably upload the patched package before that, let me know after the update if that fixes the issue
[04:07] <herman_> seb128, ok, will do
[04:08] <seb128> hidde: there is a bug open in bugzilla with the workaround and a link to the packages
[04:08] <seb128> herman_: thanks
[04:08] <hidde> seb128 errors where encountered while processing libgnomevfs2-dev
[04:08] <seb128> ups
[04:08] <seb128> sudo dpkg -r libgnomevfs2-dev
[04:09] <seb128> you don't need it if it was not installed before
[04:09] <hidde> Now I should boot into gnome?
[04:09] <seb128> correct
[04:09] <aethera> afternoon chaps
[04:10] <affi> hidde: To copy/paste with mouse from an x-/gnome-terminal use right/middle mouse button.
[04:10] <seb128> affi: he said he's using a vt
[04:11] <affi> seb128: Ah, but then I'd use terminal mode in emacs. :-)
[04:11] <hidde> affi, I don't have the mouse right now.
[04:12] <hidde> seb128 bug isn't solved, unless I need to reboot first. I just restarted gdm now
[04:12] <seb128> hidde: you installed libgnomevfs2-common and libgnomevfs2-0 ?
[04:12] <seb128> hidde: ie: fixed the bug on -dev and apt-get -f install ?
[04:13] <seb128> dpkg -l libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common ?
[04:13] <bretze1> hi all :-)
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> bretze1: hiya
[04:14] <james_knoppix> Hi, I have a problem with GRUB boot loader and Windows XP+Ubuntu on two seperate SATA drives. If anyone is familiar with the editing of GRUB, I could really use the help, my aim is erishi21 and my msn is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:14] <icerogue> wow webmin is kinda cool
[04:14] <bretze1> icerouge: How did you manage to run webmin ?
[04:15] <funkyhat> james_knoppix use grub_config in knoppx
[04:15] <icerogue> apt-get
[04:15] <icerogue> actually synaptic
[04:15] <hidde> seb128, both packages are installed
[04:16] <bretze1> icerouge: sh*t! I realize that only webmin pkg is installed - missing all others modules :-)
[04:16] <seb128> hidde: do you mind to reboot ?
[04:16] <hidde> no problem, be right back
[04:16] <hidde> wait for me. ;-)
[04:16] <seb128> hidde: old versions are still running, either kill them or reboot
[04:16] <james_knoppix> funkyhat: I am using kwrite to edit the grub config, but I need help in the editing, no GRUB menu appears when I boot and it goes straight into windows
[04:17] <james_knoppix> I've been trying to work out this problem for 2 days x-x
[04:18] <skreet_> Anyone have any clue why my DVD+RW drive is coming up as ATA/33 in my bios, I think thats why I cant use DMA
[04:19] <Hwolf> seb128?
[04:19] <Gagatan> skreet_: do you have ata/66 or ata/100 capable cable?
[04:19] <funkyhat> james_knoppix, actually, have you tried running grub-install ?
[04:19] <skreet_> Yes, 80 conductor.
[04:19] <skreet_> I'm very confused.
[04:19] <skreet_> I had it chained with a 52x CDROM figured that might do it but still ATA/33 if it's solo master.
[04:20] <Hwolf> seb128. 'hidde' here. Problem is fixed. Panels are still messed up, but ok
[04:20] <seb128> ok
[04:20] <seb128> cool
[04:20] <ogra> skreet_: there are some bugs in bugzilla regarding the load order of the modules.....
[04:20] <seb128> what do you call "messed up" ?
[04:20] <bretze1> ...by the way, I've burned llgp ( Linux -(l?) Game project ) and tried it yesterday - Very cool full load of games :-) - of course, for nvidia vcards
[04:20] <ogra> skreet_: look if one of them applies
[04:21] <james_knoppix> funkyhat: hmm, I haven't tried this thanks, I'll try this now- do you have aim or msn?
[04:21] <Hwolf> I'm in gnome now. Some of my applets got shuffled about, and the program tabs are still tiny, but at least i can work. :-)
[04:21] <skreet_> ogra: I noticed that when i do an idebus=100 it says it cant load module "ide-mod"
[04:21] <funkyhat> james_knoppix, yes, msn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:21] <seb128> Hwolf: ok, thanks for trying the patch, I'll upload that in the archive.
[04:21] <skreet_> (also tried 66 and 133 just for the hell of it.)
[04:21] <skreet_> Anyway I gotta go I'm gonna try to work on this more later. I dont know why my BIOS is seeing it as ATA/33 though :(
[04:22] <ogra> skreet_: look in bugzilla ;)
[04:22] <Pluk> arent opticals always ATA33?
[04:22] <Hwolf> seb128: thank you, it's rather hard to find solutions from a terminal.
[04:22] <skreet_> Not DVD+RWs
[04:22] <skreet_> :\
[04:22] <skreet_> or DVD-ROMs for that matter
[04:22] <skreet_> DVD-ROM is usually 66 or 100, dvd+rw is almost always 100
[04:23] <Pluk> hmm didnt know that
[04:23] <seb128> Hwolf: np :)
[04:23] <skreet_> 16x dvd is like 22 MB/sec
[04:23] <skreet_> ATA/33 cant move that.
[04:23] <ogra> skreet_: btw idebus= is for setting PIO modes....
[04:23] <skreet_> ogra: oh?
[04:24] <skreet_> Well how do I set DMA?
[04:24] <ogra> skreet_: look at hdparm
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: man hdparm
[04:24] <skreet_> /dev/hda:
[04:24] <skreet_>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:24] <skreet_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:24] <skreet_>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: man hdparm
[04:24] <skreet_> "Operation not permitted" :D
[04:24] <ogra> sudo
[04:24] <skreet_> I did.
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: sudo
[04:24] <Hwolf> seb128, are those tiny program-tabs fixable, or do I need to wait for a patch?
[04:25] <skreet_> skreet@ubuntu:~ $ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[04:25] <Pluk> hmm my nec1300 is also listed as UDMA(33)
[04:25] <ogra> skreet_: so i'm pretty sure its the load order
[04:25] <skreet_> I've been working on this for week.
[04:25] <skreet_> Pluk: REally? Are you using DMA mode?
[04:25] <ogra> skreet_: look in bugzilla, i think there was also a fix
[04:25] <skreet_> okay
[04:25] <skreet_> Thanks ogra, thanks everyone I gotta go to work.
[04:26] <seb128> Hwolf: what do you call "tiny tabs" ?
[04:26] <seb128> Hwolf: in the tasks' list ?
[04:26] <ogra> Hwolf: adjust the min size of the list
[04:26] <seb128> if that's it do what ogra said
[04:26] <seb128> that's in the properties of the applet
[04:27] <ogra> seb128: could this be set a bit higher by default ?
[04:27] <Pluk> skreet, from the nec website: Interface: IDE/ATAPI Ultra DMA33
[04:27] <Hwolf> thanks guys. Didn't know that.
[04:27] <Pluk> so not all dvd+/-RW are 66 or 100
[04:27] <seb128> ogra: that's a workaround, that should be fixed rather
[04:28] <ogra> seb128: hmm, true....
[04:28] <Hwolf> Yesterday when I got a hoary install, it messed with my keyboard speed. That was nasty.
[04:29] <Pluk> skreet, even the faster drives from nec are just ATA33
[04:29] <ogra> Hwolf: in X ?
[04:29] <jmhodges> damn
[04:29] <Hwolf> One of my programs is listed twice in the menu, can I file a bug against gnome-panel?
[04:29] <Hwolf> ogra, I fixed it by pushing up the speed in gnome-keyboard
[04:30] <jmhodges> im still getting errors from fglrx-driver
[04:30] <jmhodges> i tried installing it again.. and it grabs xorg-driver-fglrx but fails in the same spot
[04:30] <jono> anyone here experiencing problems with Apache and PHP from Universe?
[04:31] <jmhodges> anyone have a clue as to what i need to do?
[04:31] <Hwolf> Hm. How do I test if fglrx is actually working?
[04:31] <ogra> jmhodges: waiting....?
[04:32] <ogra> jmhodges: reporting a bug ?
[04:32] <jmhodges> ogra: they said this was fixed last night, and that the pkg would be up "in a few minutes"
[04:32] <jmhodges> Hwolf well, does X work?
[04:32] <Pluk> Hwolf, glxinfo
[04:32] <Pluk> if its says in the top Direct Rendering: yes then your driver works
[04:33] <Hwolf> whoa
[04:33] <ogra> jmhodges: we are all humans....probably there is a bug that just gets fixed today (if you let the devs know) :)
[04:33] <Hwolf> One of my programs is listed twice in the menu, can I file a bug against gnome-panel?
[04:33] <Hwolf> hidde@system:~ $ glxinfo
[04:33] <Hwolf> name of display: :0.0
[04:33] <Hwolf> display: :0  screen: 0
[04:33] <Hwolf> direct rendering: Yes
[04:33] <jmhodges> yeah..
[04:33] <Hwolf> Whoohoo.
[04:33] <Pluk> :)
[04:33] <jmhodges> wonder how well bugzilla loads up in links
[04:33] <ogra> jmhodges: i think you need ssy, else it should be fin
[04:33] <ogra> ssl even
[04:33] <jmhodges> well, damn
[04:34] <jmhodges> links wasn't built with ssl
[04:34] <jmhodges> hmrph
[04:34] <ogra> jmhodges: w3m ?
[04:34] <Hwolf> jmhodges, why not use the ati driver and get x up?
[04:34] <ogra> jmhodges: install links-ssl
[04:34] <jmhodges> Hwolf because i can't install anything at all
[04:34] <jmhodges> ogra same issue
[04:35] <Hwolf> ouch. :-S
[04:35] <jmhodges> i have "unmet dependencies"
[04:35] <jmhodges> i.e. fglrx-driver is borked all to hell
[04:36] <ogra> jmhodges: sure that your sources.liszt is ok ? did you run apt-get upate inbetween ?
[04:37] <jmhodges> yes
[04:37] <jmhodges> many times
[04:37] <debiandemolition> hi
[04:37] <Pluk> hi debiandemolition
[04:38] <debiandemolition> would you like to answer a question, Pluk?
[04:38] <Pluk> sure
[04:38] <Pluk> :)
[04:38] <debiandemolition> ok
[04:39] <Pluk> if im able to is another issue though :)
[04:39] <debiandemolition> I'm considering installing Ubuntu on a system with W2000 and Fedora1
[04:39] <debiandemolition> getting rid of Fedora distro
[04:40] <jmhodges> argh, how do i remove something at the same as installing something else?
[04:40] <Pluk> ok
[04:40] <debiandemolition> I wonder if the Ubuntu installer is prepared for this :)
[04:40] <jmhodges> thsi broken pkg cannot possibly keep me from doing everything
[04:40] <Pluk> no problem for the installer
[04:40] <ogra> debiandemolition: for nuking fedora ?
[04:40] <Pluk> just reformat the Fedora drives
[04:40] <debiandemolition> Now that's an answer :-)
[04:41] <Pluk> ubuntu can format them
[04:41] <ogra> debiandemolition: there is no special install option for that, but you certainly can do it :)
[04:41] <wastrel> debiandemolition: do you have free space to install ubuntu into?
[04:41] <debiandemolition> Ubuntu replaces the Grub bootmanager with its own?
[04:41] <Pluk> ubuntu uses grub
[04:41] <debiandemolition> After deleting fedora, you bet!
[04:41] <ogra> debiandemolition: i.e. the "nukle other distros" button is missing
[04:41] <Pluk> but it will rewrite it to your mbr
[04:41] <debiandemolition> no problem
[04:42] <debiandemolition> as lonjg as it boots
[04:42] <Hwolf> seb128?
[04:42] <Pluk> yeah itll boot
[04:42] <debiandemolition> no problem with the notorious kernel 2.6 dual boot bug?
[04:42] <debiandemolition> like in FC2?
[04:42] <Pluk> havent seen/heard b4
[04:42] <ogra> debiandemolition: sometimes......
[04:42] <seb128> Hwolf: ?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> sometimes doesn't sound so great, ogra :)
[04:43] <ogra> debiandemolition: but easy solvable, there is a lwn article that is very helpful
[04:43] <Hwolf> seb128, what can you do about an app appearing twice in the same menu?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> lwn article?
[04:43] <ogra> debiandemolition: have you had this prob in fc ?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> yes ogra
[04:44] <debiandemolition> it completely seemed to thrash the system
[04:44] <seb128> Hwolf: fix the app. Which one ?
[04:44] <ogra> debiandemolition: then youll have it with warty too i guess....
[04:44] <Hwolf> seb128, tvtime -> apps /sound & video
[04:44] <debiandemolition> ogra: ok, I will prepare for it then
[04:44] <ogra> debiandemolition: nope, its just a grub fix....it isnt really damaged
[04:44] <Pluk> what does the dualboot error?
[04:44] <Pluk> bug*
[04:45] <debiandemolition> Pluk: the windows install doesn't boot anymore
[04:45] <ogra> debiandemolition: you could also try to install one of the hoary/unstable CDs there it should be solved
[04:45] <Pluk> isnt that just a /boot/grub/menu.lst thingy?
[04:45] <debiandemolition> ogra: I will consider that, thanks
[04:45] <ogra> debiandemolition: but keep in mind that its the development version....even its in a freeze now and should get better daily
[04:46] <Pluk> hoary rox!
[04:46] <jmhodges> hoary does rock
[04:46] <Pluk> but would like to see xfce4.2 hit the repos
[04:46] <jmhodges> it will eat your soul as well
[04:46] <ogra> heh
[04:46] <Pluk> what soul --;
[04:46] <Hwolf> guys, did anything change to the apps that allow me to play dvd's? totem-gstreamer is crashing on me, gxine is choking on it, and totem-xine is stuttering
[04:47] <jmhodges> pluk and here we have it :)
[04:47] <Pluk> :D
[04:47] <debiandemolition> ogra: I read changing something in the bios circumvents it too, setting harddrive access to LBA or something ...
[04:47] <debiandemolition> instead of auto
[04:47] <jmhodges> argh
[04:47] <seb128> Hwolf: tvtime has 2 desktop files
[04:47] <ogra> debiandemolition: or from LBA to normal
[04:47] <seb128> $ dpkg -L tvtime | grep desktop
[04:47] <seb128> /usr/share/applications/net-tvtime.desktop
[04:47] <seb128> /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/net-tvtime.desktop
[04:47] <ogra> debiandemolition: one of these was the fix :)
[04:47] <Pluk> you could allways trash grub and install lilo though
[04:48] <debiandemolition> Pluk: does that really work?
[04:48] <seb128> Hwolf: sudo rm -f /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/net-tvtime.desktop as a quick bad hack
[04:48] <jmhodges> ok, gtg shower and head out.. i'll file a bug report or something in a bit
[04:48] <debiandemolition> Pluk: I understood it was a kernel bug
[04:48] <jmhodges> hrm.. is there anyway to force a pkg installation even with a conflicting diversion?
[04:48] <ogra> seb128: fine....some MOTU work :)
[04:48] <Pluk> if it is a kernel bug they have fixed it with the new kernels
[04:49] <haakonn_> i've set up a modem in the config dialog from the standard ubuntu desktop. however, i want some kind of icon or button i can press to dial up and connect (and disconnect later), which doesn't require sudo (this is for my computer-illiterate father). how would i go about that?
[04:49] <Hwolf> seb128, that didn't cut it
[04:49] <debiandemolition> ok Pluk
[04:49] <seb128> Hwolf: killall gnome-panel ?
[04:49] <Twiggy> What's the command to set a root pass?
[04:49] <Twiggy> sudo <password> ain't woikin'
[04:49] <Amaranth> sudo passwd root
[04:49] <Amaranth> but don't do it
[04:49] <ogra> Twiggy: why do you want this ?
[04:49] <Twiggy> Ahhhh
[04:49] <Hwolf> seb128, much better. :-)
[04:49] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:49] <Twiggy> ogra: Ummmm because I need to run as root?
[04:49] <debiandemolition> Thanks for the advice, ogra and Pluk :-))
[04:50] <debiandemolition> see you
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: what ?
[04:50] <Pluk> your welcome
[04:50] <Amaranth> Twiggy: sudo -s -H isn't enough for you?
[04:50] <Twiggy> ogra: There are certain things I need to do as root...
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: then use sudo...
[04:50] <Twiggy> Amaranth: I've never done it via sudo, so I had no clue
[04:50] <Twiggy> ogra: That's what I was asking
[04:50] <Amaranth> Twiggy: Read the URL I gave.
[04:50] <Hwolf> ogra, there are still apps in gnome that ask for root password, didn't you ever notice?
[04:50] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:50] <Twiggy> Amaranth: Aye, I am, thanks
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: and dont run X apps with root rights ;)
[04:51] <Twiggy> ogra: I wasn't planning on it
[04:51] <petemc> hi, im having an odd problem - trying to burn the hoary live ppc iso on osx causes disk utility to crash, ive tried 2 different isos (albeit from the same place) with the same results, other isos work fine, logs are at http://www.yerma.org/~pete/apple/
[04:51] <ogra> Hwolf: things like firestarter you mean ?
[04:51] <funkyhat> Hwolf they ask for password, you just input primary user password
[04:51] <Pluk> alway fun to see seomone enter at irc: nick<EMAIL_ADDRESS>entered
[04:51] <wastrel> those apps in gnome yeah are looking for your user password
[04:51] <ogra> Hwolf: these are nearly all bugs that should get solved
[04:51] <Hwolf> ogra gnome-network utils for one. doesn't take main password
[04:52] <ogra> Hwolf: in warty ?
[04:52] <Hwolf> warty/hoary
[04:52] <Hwolf> 'run as different user' doesn't give the option to run as sudo, and is thus unusable
[04:52] <ogra> Hwolf: for hoary its a bug that can get solved :)
[04:53] <ogra> Hwolf: since root is disabled it would be somewhat pointless to offer root there
[04:53] <Hwolf> ogra, it offers naught but root.
[04:53] <Hwolf> you can't use it to sudo
[04:54] <ogra> Hwolf: would you mind filing bugs about that ?
[04:54] <Hwolf> I'm planning to. :-)
[04:54] <ogra> great, thanks
[04:54] <ogra> :)
[04:56] <Hwolf> ugh. it doesn't take my bugzilla user/pass.  I believe.
[05:03] <Destructo> k well i started something .. i ahve like 200 blank cds the kids got me
[05:03] <mischa> i just love ubuntu
[05:03] <Hwolf> ogra, i've been a good boy. bugs filed. :-)
[05:04] <ogra> great, thanks ;)
[05:04] <Hwolf> What I miss is seeing the total amount of bugs in the distro, like debian shows. :-)
[05:04] <siretart> Destructo: you need to call k3b with sudo and option -H: `sudo -H k3b`, I heared
[05:05] <Guardiann> siretart depend if hes using hoary/warty
[05:05] <Rbk2> http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl It will suffice that you will enter, and you can save someone....
[05:05] <Destructo> im using neither
[05:05] <Guardiann> then your good to go
[05:05] <Hwolf> Now, the grand question. How do I run a dvd in hoary?
[05:06] <Destructo> yeh im burning the ubuntu iso now. it isnt for me, its for my gf system.
[05:06] <siretart> Guardiann: oh. how is the solution in hoary? it just works?
[05:06] <Destructo> Hwolf mplayer maybe ?
[05:06] <Guardiann> yep it just works :)
[05:06] <Hwolf> destructo, is that still such a hasstle to put together?
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: use xine. its better
[05:07] <Destructo> never was a hassle for me. just create a codec dir then compile..
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: however u will need "libdvdcss2"
[05:08] <Hwolf> da_bon_bon. I've got libdvdcss2. However, totem-gstreamer crashes, gxine chokes on it, and totem-xine stutters the vid out of sync with the audio
[05:08] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[05:08] <Destructo> therefore ... mplayer
[05:08] <wastrel> hah!
[05:08] <HaRDaWaY> xD
[05:08] <wastrel> i'm having a bitch of a time with dvd also
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: plain old xine.
[05:08] <wastrel> finally got it to stop exiting immediately but it still hangs at the 2nd menu
[05:08] <wastrel> that's xine
[05:09] <Hwolf> Package xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:09] <Hwolf> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:09] <Hwolf> is only available from another source
[05:09] <Destructo> Hwolf also vlc is good
[05:09] <Destructo> wastrel  try vlc
[05:09] <jatos> hi
[05:09] <Destructo> videolan.org
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: ok.. then.. totem-xine sucks.
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> so does gxine
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> try xine-ui ?
[05:10] <haakonn_> if anyone here have experience with ubuntu/gnome/modems, i'd much appreciate replies to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=6ac83242941ac0719286d8434474936f&p=51106#post51106 :)
[05:10] <Hwolf> da_bon_bon gxine is worse
[05:10] <mischa> haakonn_: sry i don't :)
[05:10] <Hwolf> ugh. gtk1.2 libs! :-S
[05:11] <knghtbrd> people still use those?
[05:11] <mischa> :)
[05:11] <haakonn_> knghtbrd:  apparently :)
[05:11] <Hwolf> haakonn, i was forced to ppp by my adsl-connection. Yesterday I got so fed up I bought a router so I could use dhcp
[05:12] <jatos> is there any reason why I shhhhoulddn't mix ubuntu with knoppix?/
[05:12] <haakonn_> Hwolf:  dhcp is much preferable for dsl :) but what i'm talking about is the good old-fashioned serial rs232 56.6k modems :)
[05:13] <wastrel> Destructo: vls also chokes at the 2nd menu.  maybe i'll try a diff dvd.
[05:13] <jatos> also does anyoe know     a fix for my problem of my gui repeating letteeeeerrs
[05:13] <wastrel> jatos: slow down the key repeat rate in your keyboard prefs
[05:13] <jatos> are
[05:14] <Destructo> http://themaxx.com/offensive/pages/pic.php?id=23856
[05:14] <jatos> nnnah tryed that....
[05:14] <wastrel> s/vls/vlc/
[05:14] <wastrel> anyway...
[05:15] <Destructo> try another dvd , otherwise, use what works mplayer
[05:16] <larsrohdin> i've downloaded totem-xine now, with apt-get... how to start it?
[05:16] <wastrel> with mplayer i get garbage video and no sound
[05:16] <wastrel> it does skip the menus tho.
[05:16] <wastrel> whoops there it just crashed
[05:16] <Hwolf> hm. vlc is stuttering aswell
[05:16] <Destructo> larsrohdin totem
[05:18] <larsrohdin> help me please!!! in Mplayer i can't get fullscreen and in totem and don't get any picture at all!!!
[05:18] <wastrel> f for fullscreen
[05:18] <larsrohdin> yeah the window gets big but not the movie
[05:19] <wastrel> try starting it in fullscreen mode
[05:19] <larsrohdin> how?
[05:19] <wastrel> -fs
[05:19] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, did you try a different video clip?
[05:19] <larsrohdin> yes
[05:20] <larsrohdin> and the clips work in windows
[05:20] <darksatanic> It sounds more like you don't have Xv support for hardware scaling. Try -vo xv
[05:20] <Hwolf> Hm. All xine apps refuse to open a dvd
[05:20] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, listen to the guru ;)
[05:21] <larsrohdin> what? -vo vx where?
[05:21] <darksatanic> As an option when you run mplayer
[05:21] <popeywork> i use mplayer -zoom
[05:21] <darksatanic> mplayer -vo xv file.mpg
[05:21] <popeywork> thats scales the video up
[05:21] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, mplayer -vo xv
[05:22] <larsrohdin> when i do that i just get the man page or something for mplayer, it doesn't start
[05:22] <popeywork> you need to type the video clip name on the end
[05:22] <larsrohdin> ok
[05:22] <popeywork> otherwise it doesn't know what to play :D
[05:23] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i thought it would start anyway... but ill try that
[05:24] <larsrohdin> how can i get write access to a file?
[05:24] <popeywork> chmod  w file
[05:24] <popeywork> bugger
[05:24] <popeywork> there should be a plus sign before the w
[05:26] <larsrohdin> didnt work
[05:26] <wastrel> larsrohdin: if you don't have perms it's likely you need sudo
[05:26] <popeywork> what file?
[05:26] <larsrohdin> i used sudo
[05:26] <larsrohdin> i still haven't got perms...
[05:27] <popeywork> what are the perms on the file?
[05:27] <popeywork> ls -l filename
[05:27] <popeywork> paste in here
[05:27] <larsrohdin> dr-xr-xr-x   10 root     root
[05:27] <wastrel> uh.
[05:27] <popeywork> there's your answer
[05:27] <wastrel> what file
[05:27] <wastrel> what's the filename
[05:27] <larsrohdin> dr-xr-xr-x   10 root     root        16384 2005-01-02 17:08 Shares
[05:27] <popeywork> its owned by root, and not writable by anyone else..
[05:28] <popeywork> it's a directory too
[05:28] <Dudo> somebody can help me with the modem?
[05:28] <larsrohdin> yeah but im root, right?
[05:28] <wastrel> yeah you shouldn't be writing to a directory
[05:28] <popeywork> dunno, are you root?
[05:28] <wastrel> even root follows the writable flag.
[05:28] <wastrel> otherwise there would be chaos!
[05:29] <larsrohdin> ok, but i want to be able to e.g. change the name of my files...
[05:29] <wastrel> shares would that be a network drive?
[05:29] <BenCov> Hi! What do i need to do for "/lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied" ? I am trying to install Matlab7! Thanks
[05:29] <larsrohdin> no a fat filesystem
[05:30] <Dudo> I've a 56K modem (COM) that aftercompose the number it disconnect
[05:32] <fsalvadora> Hi all, anyone in Spain?
[05:33] <xota> yo
[05:34] <wastrel> i'd like to go to spain
[05:34] <KSoze> KeyserSoze: you in here?
[05:36] <thaytan> seb128: hoopy - want a tester for libxslt ?
[05:37] <seb128> ?
[05:37] <seb128> no, bug fixed with 1.1.12 as said before
[05:37] <seb128> no need to test
[05:37] <seb128> just need to get it built
[05:40] <thaytan> seb128: alrighty - #5617 definitely looks like the same backtrace I'm seeing in gstreamer
[05:40] <payal> hi all
[05:40] <payal> I am shifting 3 of my hr people from windows to ubuntu ... any tips please?
[05:43] <larsrohdin> tuxicity, now i got it working, with -zoom -x1024 -y 768
[05:44] <Mayday> how can i see (from commandline) what packages i have installed from universe?
[05:47] <haakonn_> can anyone on ubuntu tell me if gnome-ppp is available from a standard repository? i don't have access to an ubuntu installation right now
[05:49] <Reikd> re
[05:53] <RobHu> Could someone please help me? I am using Ubuntu Hoarty, and somehow my network settings have stopped working. When I boot up the interfaces don't exist, I have to manually enable them (and set to DHCP) either using the gnome applet or from the cli. If I try /etc/init.d/networking start then it 'fail's. Can anyone suggest what the cause and solutions might be please ? :0)
 I am shifting 3 of my hr people from windows to ubuntu ... any tips please?   tell them is will be diff from windows.
[05:57] <Danko123456> What is the command for formating a disk, or partition?
[05:57] <Destructo> cfdisk
[05:57] <Destructo> well. sorry i havent iinsalled ubuntu yet , but on slackware its cfdisk
[05:58] <Danko123456> thanks
[05:58] <Danko123456> likely...
[05:58] <Danko123456> Anyhow, how do you switch between the partitions?
[05:58] <Destructo> do you ave cfdisk open .. ?
[05:59] <Danko123456> ok yesw.
[05:59] <larsrohdin> can someone help me to change the ownership of a file from root to me?
[05:59] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: become root; chown me file
[06:00] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: cp file file.tmp; rm -f file; mv file.tmp file
[06:00] <larsrohdin> become root, do you mean sudo?
[06:00] <scylax> hi
[06:01] <Wulf_> su, sudo, login as root, exploit, whatever.
[06:01] <Destructo> Danko123456 so in cfdisk just use the arrow keys to switch to partitions
[06:01] <larsrohdin> sudo doesn't work and there's no root account
[06:01] <Destructo>  just use su
[06:01] <larsrohdin> don't work
[06:02] <Destructo> su -
[06:02] <scylax> or sudo -s
[06:02] <Destructo> sudo is overrated btw
[06:02] <scylax> then passwd root
[06:02] <Destructo> hey how is ubunto on usb support
[06:02] <stuNNed> Destructo, is that your IMHO or your IMO? or universal thought?
[06:02] <larsrohdin> sudo chown larsrohdin share
[06:02] <Destructo> ubuntu
[06:02] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: boot with `init=/bin/bash'
[06:02] <larsrohdin> "operation not allowed"
[06:02] <Destructo> stuNNed IMO . sorry forgot to add that
[06:03] <larsrohdin> how what?
[06:03] <eBopBob> Hi folks
[06:03] <stuNNed> Destructo, sudo is quite useful in protecting the system against myself.
[06:03] <larsrohdin> is it possible to activate a root account? thats alot easier
[06:03] <eBopBob> Ok - I have a friend who has a problem with Ubuntu
[06:03] <Destructo> ha . good point
[06:03] <RobHu> I think you can just "sudo passwd root"
[06:03] <RobHu> that will enable root
[06:03] <RobHu> (if you want to be dumb)
[06:03] <mz2> larsrohdin, just do "sudo passwd"
[06:03] <eBopBob> He installed Ubuntu, however it does not show Windows at boot up
[06:04] <larsrohdin> it doesnt work
[06:04] <mz2> yes it does :)
[06:04] <Destructo> Destructo well me personally MO using slackware has taught me alot , including paying attention
[06:04] <eBopBob> He is sure that Windows is on one partition and Linux is on another
[06:04] <eBopBob> Where would the boot.ini be so he could edit it?
[06:04] <larsrohdin> ok... good to know...
[06:04] <Destructo> eBopBob so the question is what mount or dualboot
[06:04] <Destructo> and is he using grub or lilo
[06:05] <eBopBob> He is using standard ubuntu loader
[06:05] <eBopBob> or did he have a choice?
[06:05] <mz2> Destructo, you were asking about usb support? it's all good, both my mp3 players work fine with usb2, digital cam too, and so does my usb midi keyboard
[06:05] <Destructo> i should probably install grub, just so i can offer better help
[06:05] <larsrohdin> its a fat filesystem, does that have anything to do with that i can't give myself ownership to it?
[06:05] <Danko123456> which folder does a different partition sit in? Do I have to mount it?
[06:05] <Destructo> mz2 yeah i have this wireless usb adapter i want to mess with
[06:05] <Destructo> in fstab
[06:06] <larsrohdin> hello?
[06:06] <petemc> larsrohdin: yeah, you cant do that, you set the permissions for fat/ntfs at mount time
[06:06] <decko> Hi people!!! Someone knows where are the ubuntu developers channel???
[06:06] <eBopBob> He did a dual boot he said, however Windows does not show.
[06:06] <Destructo> assumig it was added during the initial setup
[06:06] <mz2> Destructo, what make is it? support for wlan adapter quite varies
[06:06] <larsrohdin> ok, i have written it in fstab... can you see whats wrong?
[06:06] <Destructo> its an aerolan 2011
[06:07] <larsrohdin> /dev/hda6	/mnt/share	vfat	noatime,umask=0222	0 0
[06:07] <Destructo> mz2 with an atmel chip
[06:07] <Destructo> mz2 http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Asante%20FriendlyNET%20AeroLAN%20AL%202011%20Network%20Adapter:1990733107
[06:07] <petemc> larsrohdin: that should make it rwxr-xr-x i believe , use uid= and gid= options in fstab
[06:08] <Dzogi> heya everybody
[06:08] <Dzogi> when I try to play something in xmms/beep-media-player it just freezes
[06:08] <Destructo> everybosy !! hello Dzogi
[06:08] <Dzogi> tried to compile bmp, when i ran ./configure I got this error
[06:08] <Dzogi> checking for X... no
[06:08] <Dzogi> configure: error: Cannot find X11 headers/libraries
[06:08] <eBopBob> Anyone?
[06:08] <Destructo> do you have x installed?
[06:08] <larsrohdin> petemc, how? can you write what i should write
[06:08] <Josip> how I can't have X installed ?
[06:09] <Josip> I was playing with Hoary's repo, tried to update to gnome 2.9.4
[06:09] <Destructo> well you cant run xmms unless you have x
[06:09] <wezzer> try mplayer
[06:09] <Josip> what's the package name for x ?
[06:09] <Destructo> eBopBob ask your friend if he uses grub or lilo
[06:09] <mz2> Destructo, atmel? that's good then, they're supported. you can find the atmel firmware and driver sources and tools from either the ubuntu repository or debian universe (can't remember more precisely=
[06:09] <mz2> )
[06:09] <Josip> I'm playing music with rhythmlet atm
[06:09] <eBopBob> he uses grub
[06:09] <Scooter> heh, just burned the nightly snapshot of hoary, and re-booted... i cant seem to be able to get the insaller to boot... instead of calling it hoary I an starting to call it whory... anyone know how to make hoary ISO boot to installer?
[06:09] <Destructo> Josip not sure i havent iinstallled ubuntu yet
[06:09] <petemc> larsrohdin: /dev/hdN /mnt/point vfat   defaults,uid=youruid,gid=yourgid,umask=002
[06:10] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try that... ill come back if it doesn't work=)
[06:10] <petemc> use "id" to get your uid and gid
[06:10] <Josip> I haven't got x-widnows-system-dev
[06:11] <Josip> but when I try to install it I get .. Depends: libdps-dev but it is not going to be installed
[06:11] <Josip> many lines like that
[06:11] <Destructo> eBopBob i dont use grub so i cant help  you , but if he gets lilo , i can help http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4213
[06:12] <Destructo> Josip sorry . i have yet to install ubuntu, and im not familiar with the debian style pacakging system
[06:12] <Josip> okay, I've figured it out i think
[06:12] <funkyhat> cos rpms are much better :P
[06:12] <eBopBob> Thing is Ubuntu default is Grub
[06:12] <Destructo> eh
[06:12] <eBopBob> Gonna ask on Ubuntu Forums
[06:13] <Destructo> eBopBob that link i posted is pretty easy
[06:13] <eBopBob> k lemme check it out
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> UBUNTU SUCKS!!!!
[06:13] <mz2> what's the point of using lilo anymore?
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> haha j/k
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> mz2... no point at all
[06:13] <funkyhat> lilo works ;)
[06:13] <mz2> it's history, man :)
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> like windows
[06:14] <funkyhat> there is a point using windows.....
[06:14] <Kyuuketsuki> yea.... its like extreme sports and shit
[06:14] <funkyhat> so you can help all your mates who are tech illiterate and ask you how to make it work again!
[06:14] <Destructo> funkyhat very simple , chicks use windows ..
[06:14] <Kyuuketsuki> its a suicidal risk
[06:14] <funkyhat> yeah, and chicks
[06:14] <Destructo> w0rd
[06:15] <mz2> Destructo, bleh, not my type of chicks :)
[06:15] <Destructo> mz2 too bad, more for me then
[06:15] <spiral> hi
[06:15] <funkyhat> mx2, you are gonna be single unless you're very lucky ;)
[06:15] <Skwid_> Destructo: his type ends in '.jpg'
[06:15] <Skwid_> :)
[06:15] <spiral> hmmm... My linux-restricted-modules has just been upgraded... Is that ati driver ?
[06:15] <Destructo> hahaha
[06:15] <mz2> funkyhat, i'm married, you know... :)
[06:16] <spiral> How can I get it working without using fglrxconfig & crashing my xorg.conf file ?
[06:16] <Destructo> my types usually start at .torrent , then end in .mpeg eventually
[06:16] <funkyhat> lol, i didn't, no
 only if you are useing hoary
[06:16] <funkyhat> i do now :P
[06:16] <njs12345> hmm
[06:16] <Bader> hi
[06:16] <spiral> Scooter: yes, it's the case... How should I patch my xorg.conf ?
[06:16] <Destructo> mz2 do you use wireless under ubuntu ?
[06:17] <mz2> Destructo, yes, on my laptop
[06:17] <njs12345> I'm using a dual-monitor system and the window-list applet is small
[06:17] <Destructo> or anyone for that matter. looking for usb wireless adapeters
 i dont know i have been trying to install hoary for 3 days now...
[06:18] <Destructo> mz2 well wireless works great here on my hp laptop running slackware with ndiswrapper .. but trying to get more info on ubuntu and wireless adapters
[06:18] <occy> if I just did:  apt-get build-dep bzflag      and it pulled all the necessary stuff I need.  What's the best method I should go about to building a deb of the latest bzflag   (2.0 was just released! -- and it's not in universe)
[06:18] <spiral> Scooter: :-p
[06:18] <spiral> does anyone here know then ?
[06:18] <Destructo> whats the q ?
[06:18] <Scooter> when I finaly get to the point  of installing the drivers , there is something screwed about the Xorg...
[06:18] <Destructo>  how did you un xorg ..? xorgsetup or config
[06:18] <mz2> Destructo, yes, i'm using ndiswrapper too
[06:19] <Scooter> if I dont get it today, i will just install Fedora 3 , and run the RPM from ATI
[06:19] <Destructo> Scooter dont give up.
[06:19] <Destructo> this isnt windows
[06:19] <mz2> Destructo, it's not perfect... but it's not really a distro-specific problem, but a profound problem with the perverted idea of using windows drivers on linux :)
[06:19] <Scooter> yea, I got my Nvidia box to work no problem
[06:19] <Scooter> works with warty
[06:19] <|G0R3|> i've just literally given up fedora for ubuntu one day ago
[06:20] <Scooter> but my ATI box is totaly worthless without the drivers
[06:20] <Destructo> Scooter in root su - run xorgsetup it will see your card and follow the steps
[06:20] <Destructo> what card is it .. ?
[06:21] <ulisse> hi channel!
[06:21] <Destructo> i have a an ati radeon 9000 something
 Thankyou , I will try that this time 8)
[06:21] <Scooter> I have 9800PRO
[06:21] <larsrohdin> petemc, thanks alot dude! finally i got it working=)
[06:22] <ulisse> a simple question: how much should be the glxgears' fps with an ATI radeon 9000 card ?
[06:22] <larsrohdin> what is the command to switch from gnome to another desktop?
[06:22] <popeywork> *another* desktop?
[06:22] <popeywork> virtual desktop or window manager?
[06:22] <wastrel> ctrl-alt-left arrow
[06:22] <yaaar> howdy
[06:22] <larsrohdin> bad word...=) fluxbox... couldn't find the word on english=)
[06:23] <wastrel> ah another wm
[06:23] <larsrohdin> windowmanager=) thats it!
[06:23] <Destructo> fluxbox is the best
[06:23] <Destructo> popeywork i suggest no virtual desktop
[06:23] <larsrohdin> so ive heard, want to try it... switchdesk worked in red hat... whats the command in ubuntu?
[06:24] <Fish2005> anyone know if i can upgrade debian sarge using the ubuntu cd?
[06:24] <Fish2005> ie when the installer asks for the files
[06:24] <Fish2005> insert the ubuntu cd also
[06:24] <Fish2005> in addition to the debian cd
[06:24] <Fish2005> ?
[06:24] <wezzer> is there boot disk available for ubuntu?
[06:25] <larsrohdin> how to start fluxbox?
[06:25] <Destructo> oh wait nm....
[06:25] <Destructo> sorry i didnt read that correctly
[06:25] <ulisse> nobody has a Radeon 9000 ?
[06:26] <yaaar> Fish2005: i guess you could add the cd as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list  ....but it might cause a lot of trouble, as certain packages will not be part of the upgrade and may not play nice with others that are
[06:26] <Scooter> snyone know how to install the hoary snapshot?
[06:26] <yaaar> Fish2005: it's probably not a good idea
[06:26] <Fish2005> no?
[06:26] <Fish2005> but i got gnome 2.6 in debian
[06:26] <Fish2005> i'd like 2.8
[06:27] <Fish2005> i can ignore the other components
[06:27] <Scooter> I am hopeing that Xorg is already set up on the hoary nightly ISO. I cant get the CD to boot
[06:27] <Bader> what mean "(PCI) Cannot allocate ressource ..." ? and how fix it?
[06:27] <esac> i cant seem to play .wav files. and whenever i click on XMMS it just doesnt open. any suggestions? anything else i can use to play .wav files ?
[06:28] <Fish2005> any help?
[06:28] <ulisse> esac, are you using warty?
 if you installed the Nvidia drivers there is a bug in xmms.. there is a fix in the wiki under howto-bianary drivers
[06:28] <Destructo> ulisse i i do. i think
[06:29] <esac> ah ok
[06:29] <ulisse> Destructo, you mean you have a Radeon 9000 or was it about the warty?
[06:29] <Destructo> ATI Radeon 9000 IGP  this is what i have on slackware .. sorry
[06:30] <ulisse> Destructo, are you using the drivers from ATI?
[06:30] <Destructo> ulisse nah im using the genric ati radeon from xorg config
[06:31] <Destructo> http://ronispc.chem.mcgill.ca/ronis/misc/zv5240ca.html  this is baqsically my laptop , but mine doesnt have the CANADIAN thing
[06:31] <ulisse> Destructo, I just tried the new ATI driver in Ubuntu, and i had a loss of fps (from 1500 to 300)...
[06:32] <larsrohdin> no, that didn't work... does anyone know how to switch to fluxbox from gnome?
[06:32] <Destructo> ulisse 2 thigs maybe .. modprobe the card then run xorgsetup in su -  that way it detects it
[06:32] <Scooter> anyone know if there are .DEB packages for ATI drivers, i am going to try this before i APT-GET hoary again
[06:34] <Destructo> hmmmm i started the install but for some reason it doesnt mount the cd.. it cant fiind it
[06:35] <esac> ok that fixed XMMS, but it still want play .wav files
[06:35] <Destructo> has anyone gotten the YOUR INSTALLATIONCD COULDNT BE MOUNTED ........
[06:35] <Scooter> Hmmm, i just had an Idea,,,, Is the NIghtly hoary snapshot ment to be read bu apt-get or synaptic? is this how the snapshot is supposed to install?
[06:36] <njan> Scooter, there's a howto for the ATI drivers
 yea, i have old bios, and tried to make bootable flag on second hard disk...
[06:37] <Scooter> some bios only let you boot from master HD
 for the New Divers?
[06:37] <Scooter> drivers
[06:38] <larsrohdin> how can i switch between gnome and fluxbox? anyone?
[06:38] <njan> Scooter, not sure, I don't use ati :)
[06:38] <njan> larsrohdin, if you use gdm, you can select your WM from the 'sessions' menu
[06:38] <njan> larsrohdin, if you startx from command-line, .xinitrc is your friend
 you are smart person, I will never buy ATI again
[06:38] <larsrohdin> ok... ill have a look
[06:38] <Scooter> after all this work, the drivers still might be junk
[06:39] <spiral> somebody to help me with ati new driver ?
[06:39] <njan> Scooter, I have one ATI laptop and it has a radeon 7000.. I never bought an ATI again
[06:39] <d3niz> somebody do U now how can I add panel
[06:39] <njan> I specifically got a 64mb nvidia for this laptop instead of a 128mb radeon chipset.
[06:39] <d3niz> my sister touch something and a havent panel now gnome panel :S
[06:40] <Destructo> has anyone ever had issues with the cdrom not mounting the installtion .
 yes, I cant get hoary nightly ISO to boot
[06:41] <Bader> metetc
[06:41] <Destructo> Scooter well it boots , but after detecting hardware to find cdrom drives, it cant find the cdrom cd
[06:42] <Bader> isn't /proc/bus/input/devices the place where my mouse information is displayed ?
 perhaps try burning it to another cdrom? might be bad media
[06:43] <larsrohdin> I cant choose fluxbox in the sessions menu... its not there
 yes it is this way with a few window managers... most of them will show up
[06:44] <larsrohdin> but if they don't?
[06:44] <Scooter> try installing windowmaker, you can pop into fluxbox from there
[06:45] <larsrohdin> ok... apt-get?
[06:45] <Scooter> sudo synaptic
[06:45] <Scooter> just to be safe
[06:46] <Scooter> you might be able to pop into fluxbox from IceWM too
[06:46] <Scooter> I installed enlightnement, I have never been able to find or use it
[06:46] <larsrohdin> ok, im downloading right now
[06:47] <Scooter> hope it works for you :) look in the conext menu under window managers, it is listed there I think
[06:48] <larsrohdin> where?
 have you tried XFce? it is small and lightweight too
[06:48] <NanoTek> Did anyone succeed to install ati drivers on its ubuntu ?
[06:48] <Scooter> right click on desktop to get contex menu
[06:48] <Bader> starting X make term consoles gone crazy... any help on this issue ? I didn't find in the forums...
 nope not me
[06:49] <NanoTek> i've got a conflict between fglrx and "version modules" apparently
[06:49] <larsrohdin> right-click on the desktop? and then window managers?
[06:49] <NanoTek> I'm compiling a 2.6.10
 dont choose fglrx... pick either the Xorg or Xfree version
[06:50] <larsrohdin> i dont understand...=)
[06:50] <Bader> where can I report bugs about post-installation ?
[06:50] <larsrohdin> scooter, help...
[06:51] <NanoTek> scooter i am looking for 3d acceleration :)
 get to the login window again, and under session choose window maker.. then rightclick on desktop after WM loads and choose window managers
[06:51] <larsrohdin> ok...thanks!
 yes, there are a few versions of fglrx now, choose Xorg or Xfree version, search for fglrz in synaptic...
[06:52] <Scooter> fglrx
[06:52] <Scooter> dont just choose vanilla fglrx
[06:53] <Bader> It's now the third time since a week I tried to install Ubuntu on this laptop, it's the third time I got problems, nobody can really help me?
 not unless you tell us what problem is :)
[06:56] <Bader> Scooter: I told the problems at least 10 times since monday
[06:56] <Bader> Scooter: nobody never answer me...
[06:57] <Bader> Scooter: my touchpad is correctly detected but don't work, I don't know why.. my console terms are broken, and my X resolution don't fit
[06:57] <Scooter> Ah! are you useing Xorg? there is a touchpad thing you might need
[06:57] <Bader> no I'm using warty
[06:57] <larsrohdin> scooter, help=)
[06:57] <Scooter> look in synaptic, search for xorg, you will see it
[06:58] <larsrohdin> window manager is not on the list...
[06:58] <Bader> I've no network...
[06:58] <Scooter> :(
[06:58] <Bader> mdetect tell me my mouse is an intellimouse at /dev/psaux
[06:59] <Bader> Ubuntu configured X as a synaptic one, I thought it was good.
[06:59] <Bader> synaptic is also a mouse category for X
 that is a hard one.. Laptops in general are a pain to use with any distro really.. Have you tried to post problem in the forum? that is where a GURU is sure to see it :)
[07:00] <Bader> I think I cand find the solution alone for my touchpad, but for the broken terms I don't know how to do at all
[07:00] <benkong2> I got a couple of ssh questions could someone help?
[07:00] <Bader> Scooter: my english is very bad as you see it
[07:01] <Scooter> bader can Xterm work?
[07:01] <Bader> yep
 so is mine
[07:01] <Scooter> :)
[07:01] <Bader> X run, but not as the right resolution
[07:01] <Scooter> try typeing xterm in commandline, that teminal might work for you
[07:01] <Bader> only my mouse and my terms are really broken
[07:01] <Bader> Scooter: ...
[07:02] <Scooter> gnome-terminal is what you use by default
[07:02] <Scooter> Xterm might not be broken
[07:03] <benkong2> how can I make sure ssh-server is running as a daemon and do I have to sudo when generating keys? When I try to do an /etc/init.d/ssh I get no keys but they are in my home directory.
[07:03] <Scooter> if you are in gnome press application-run application , and type xterm
[07:03] <Scooter> from xterm you might be able to repair gnome terminal
[07:04] <Bader> Scooter: I said you, X works and almost everthing works except my touchpad and my consoles, I mean to configure my touchpad I've to kill X.
[07:04] <Bader> and if I kill X, I have to reboot because my terms are broken
[07:04] <Azumanga_> A quick question (and possible warning). I just updated my ubuntu and rebooted. Now I'm gettin GRUB Error 22, and can get into neither ubuntu or windows :\
[07:04] <Scooter> 0o
[07:04] <Azumanga_> Any suggestions (other than reinstalling?)
 do you have 2 hard disks?
[07:04] <Azumanga_> Nope, just the one
[07:04] <Scooter> hmm,
[07:05] <Scooter> sorry
[07:05] <Scooter> wait, some one else might know
[07:05] <benkong2> Azumanga_; can you boot knoppix live cd
[07:05] <Scooter> if not post in forum
[07:06] <Azumanga_> Unfortunatly I don't have any CDs at the moment, so I'm gonna grab one now and try fiddling with that
[07:06] <Azumanga_> I think I'm going to use this as an excuse to go back to warty, as I find hoary just a little too unstable for my liking :)
[07:06] <benkong2> Yea if you could boot knoppixyou could mount your boot and check the grub menu.lst
[07:06] <Bader> Azumanga_: using backports is often a more reliant solution
[07:07] <benkong2> Hey do I need to be sudo to generate ssh keys?
[07:07] <chka-work> hello,how you enable hald
[07:07] <chka-work> in warty
 I am at same point, i wish I could use New ATI drivers with warty :(
[07:08] <walter> Anyone know anything about Soldat?
[07:09] <Scooter> if I cant get this to work, i am just going to install a .RPM based distro and install it myself.
 yes i got soldat to somewhat work under wine
[07:09] <Scooter> the fonts and sound are broken
[07:09] <chka-work> how i enable hald service
[07:10] <chka-work> ?
[07:10] <walter> I'm getting an error when I try to "Start Game"
[07:10] <Azumanga_> chka: what even is hald?
[07:10] <spiral> please... nobody can tell me how to configure ati on hoary ?
[07:10] <walter> "Cant access < some number > at point <some number> in Soldat.exe"
 yea, I get same problem now that I installed the ALSA package for wine
[07:11] <Destructo> damn . anyone have step by step guide to burning an iso under k3b .. i may have to burn  new iso
[07:11] <walter> Ugh, where can I get an older version of wine then? I just apt-getted the one I have
  i wish I could... I have been waiting for drivers for a long time now
[07:11] <Destructo> my installation cd cant be mounted.. even though i go through like 5 steps
[07:11] <chka-work> i dont know get a message to install it..i think it auto recognize
[07:11] <Azumanga_> I'd imagine if you wait a few days then a guide will appear on the wiki. They have only just come out!
[07:12] <chka-work> usb-devices
[07:12] <Destructo> walter get vmware
 you are right
[07:12] <sabdfl> how do i see scrollback in screen?
[07:12] <spiral> Scooter: I've got them but don't manage to get them working...
 mee too I cant seem to get Xorg to install properly, or the ATI drivers
[07:14] <Scooter> wish it was as easy as setting up the Nvidia drivers
[07:14] <xbaez> hello !
[07:14] <Scooter> I dont see the point of even haveing it in apt-get if it dont fix dependancys and stuff
[07:15] <Azumanga_> Scooter: which dependancies are you talking about?
[07:15] <Scooter> mine are Xorg
[07:15] <Scooter> i have tried apt-get dist-upgrade, and I have tried synaptic
[07:16] <Scooter> both tell me that I got Xorg, yet when I try to install fglrx for xorg it tells me some dependancys have not been met
[07:16] <Azumanga_> Listen. The ATI drivers have ONLY JUST COME OUT. They HAVEN'T BEEN PACKAGED FOR UBUNTU, OR A GUIDE WRITEN YET. There wil at least be a guide within 4 days, I'm sure. For now, just go and play some emulated SNES games, or something which doesn't require binary drivers :)
[07:16] <funkyhat> heh..... this install of ubuntu is taking ages.....
[07:16] <mjg59> Azumanga_: Uh, that's not strictly true.
[07:16] <funkyhat> damn slow pcs
[07:16] <mjg59> They're in Hoary.
[07:17] <Azumanga_> They are?
[07:17] <mjg59> Yes.
[07:17] <mjg59> The package name has changed, and currently it seems to conflict with the old package.
[07:17] <Azumanga_> OK, I missed that :) I would have updated to them, except of course GRUB has killed itself
[07:17] <Azumanga_> _
[07:17] <mjg59> But xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:17] <Scooter> yea hoary is experemental, and Ubuntu should no be judged on its prformance....
[07:17] <sri|work> hi mjg59
[07:17] <mjg59> Oh man
[07:17] <mjg59> You get everywhere
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, yeah, but I'm not as bad as some people like say..pippin
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, he's everywhere!
[07:18] <mjg59> sri|work: When did you become an ubuntu whore?
[07:18] <Scooter> Azumanga_ I have suse, Ubuntu warty is much nicer in some ways 8)
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, since last november :P
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> since when are ubuntu users refering themselves like users of slackware :|
[07:19] <Destructo> hey is it possible to install through a terminal ..
 warty?
[07:19] <Destructo> yes
[07:19] <Azumanga_> Actually, while I'm here, can I get some kind of cofiguration utility for the nvidia binary drivers (I want to configure the TV-out)?
[07:19] <Kyuuketsuki> no
[07:19] <Destructo> because for some reason it doesnt load the installtion
[07:19] <Scooter> there is a guied in wiki on how to install from other distro and live cd
[07:20] <Destructo> well.. theres an option for terminal ..
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> Azumanga_ have you tried the wiki page? or the ubuntuguide page?
[07:20] <Destructo> the cdrom is fine..
 yea, there is a config utility, but i have no idea about TV out
[07:20] <Destructo> whats the url for the wiki
[07:20] <Destructo>  /topic
[07:20] <Destructo> eh
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> topic Destructo
[07:21] <Scooter> look in wiki under binary driver how to, they tell how to install other Nvidia packages
[07:21] <Bader> Scooter: I try some hints found on the web, now I've to reboot for almost the 42 times...
[07:22] <Azumanga_> I had a look around for an nvidia configure program, I found a few pages that list lines of xfree86 config lines, looks like I'll just have to stop being lazy and read one :)
[07:23] <funkyhat> looks like it ;)
[07:24] <Destructo> i ahd to check the cdrom intergrity .. now it seems to be working
[07:24] <Bader> when I did a cat /dev/psaux nothing happens, any idea ?
[07:25] <Bader> and /dev/input/mice did the same
[07:25] <crimsun> Bader: synaptics touchpad?
[07:26] <crimsun> Bader: is 'psmouse' loaded?
[07:26] <Bader> crimsun: yep, synaptics touchpad
[07:26] <Bader> psmouse is loaded
[07:26] <larsrohdin> scooter, you here?
[07:27] <Cygnusx> help me, i have installed Ubuntu, and i needed to install xfree86, so i did, with synaptic, and now when i reboot i cannot log in graphical, it switches back to a terminal login
[07:27] <Bader> crimsun: any idea?
[07:28] <occy> if I just did:  apt-get build-dep bzflag      and it pulled all the necessary stuff I need.  What's the best method I should go about to building a deb of the latest bzflag   (2.0 was just released! -- and it's not in universe)
[07:28] <crimsun> Bader: in bios, is there a 'legacy mouse' option enabled?
[07:28] <Bader> Cygnusx: by default Ubuntu install X, you don't have to install it
[07:28] <Bader> Cygnusx: do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:28] <kogorman_> ...
[07:28] <larsrohdin> Scooter, i still can't get windowmanager to work... iv'e installed it. now what?
[07:28] <Bader> crimsun: I don't know, if it's the case do I have to unable it ?
[07:28] <crimsun> Bader: yes. It's a FAQ.
[07:29] <Cygnusx> TerminX: Bader , it asks how many KiB my videocard is, its 128 mb ram, how many do i have to type?
[07:29] <crimsun> occy: if you're absolutely teeting for it, uupdate & family.
[07:29] <Bader> if it's true, it's really bad said because during the last days I spent all my free time into searching how to fix it...
[07:29] <occy> crimsun: heyaz bud.
[07:29] <crimsun> occy: otherwise, wait an afternoon or two and it'll be pulled in.
[07:29] <crimsun> teething^
[07:30] <occy> crimsun: family?
[07:30] <crimsun> occy: heya, how's life?
[07:30] <Bader> Cygnusx: don't specify it
[07:30] <occy> crimsun: never heard that term before
[07:31] <crimsun> occy: 'uupdate' is part of the 'devscripts' package, which you can use to generate the infrastructure for creating a deb from a new upstream source revision.
[07:31] <spiral> "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." when I launch fglrxinfo...
[07:31] <spiral> any idea ?
[07:33] <Cygnusx> okay
[07:33] <Cygnusx> ive done the configurating part
[07:33] <Cygnusx> what now?
[07:34] <mike_douglas> the libgtksourceview-cil package seems to be broken in Hoary's universe. It conflicts with libgtksourceview-common (over the nemerle.lang file)
[07:35] <Bader> crimsun: I didn't find anything about it on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/%22, could you tell me what link it is?
[07:36] <Destructo> installtion so far so good
[07:37] <crimsun> Bader: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt
[07:37] <Bader> and why xresprobe tell me wrong resolutions ?
[07:37] <crimsun> occy: are you running Hoary?
[07:37] <occy> crimsun: no sir
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: hoary horked on me the other day.
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: safe to upgrade at the moment?
[07:38] <occy> (well the other week or so when I tried it)
[07:38] <Bader> crimsun: thanks
[07:38] <crimsun> occy: now? yes. I'd stick w/ Warty unless you like blood. ;-)
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: heh, no blood please.
[07:39] <Bader> crimsun: but do you think it's possible mdetect detects my mouse but cat /dev/psaux displays nothing ?
[07:39] <crimsun> Bader: certainly. Did you disable that bios option?
[07:40] <Bader> crimsun: I didn't reboot yet, I've some issue with screen resolution and broken text terms to fix first.
[07:40] <larsrohdin> does anyone know how to make wmanager to work? i want to switch fron gnome to open box
[07:41] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[07:42] <larsrohdin> noone here?
[07:42] <crimsun> larsrohdin: if you install openbox via aptitude/synaptic/apt-get/dselect, it will create an entry under Session in the GDM login screen.
[07:42] <zAo^> Who can help me? I removed a file, 1 minute ago. Now I want it back!
[07:42] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try that
[07:43] <crimsun> larsrohdin: simply select Openbox, and log in.
[07:43] <larsrohdin> ok
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ sudo apt-get install 'filename'
[07:43] <Bader> crimsun: I did a modprobe evdev; modprobe tsdev; rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse and it works
[07:43] <crimsun> occy: if you'd like, I'd build you a bzflag 2.0 deb.
[07:43] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, that doesnt work :-S "Cannot reinstall/ Already latest version"
[07:43] <occy> crimsun: that would rock bud.
[07:44] <occy> crimsun: save me some extreme headaches
[07:44] <Bader> crimsun: so it's obviously a bug.
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> that will reinstall the package you want
[07:44] <Bader> crimsun: thank you anyway :)
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ what file did you remove than if you don't mind me asking?
[07:45] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, I removed /lib/libuu.so.0
[07:45] <zAo^> I wanted te remove a symlink :)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> just like that... without removing the program that uses it?
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> mmm do you even know what prog was using that lib?
[07:45] <Destructo> damn what dos ubunto use for x  xorg or xfree >
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: how do I "un-apt-get source bzflag" heh.
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> Destructo: warty xfree hoary xorg
[07:46] <Destructo> crap ok
[07:46] <Destructo> thanks
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: I want to get rid of the old source I just apt-get installed
[07:46] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, Yes I do know. klibido
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: just erase it from `pwd`
[07:46] <calc> daniels: nvidia-glx needs ati kernel source now?
[07:47] <crimsun> Bader: what's a bug?
[07:47] <tasuki> hello, this is my first time running ubuntu :-)
[07:47] <Destructo> mz2 hey you still here ?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ do a dpkg-reconfigure or hit reinstall in synaptic
[07:47] <crimsun> Bader: the detection depends on a hardware setting you need to set in bios.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> hi tasuki
[07:47] <calc> daniels: see fglrx-kernel-source full description for details ;)
[07:47] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, reinstall was not possible. I rebuilded it. echo $? gives '0' so... :-) Thanks
[07:47] <tasuki> I am quite satisfied, except that one package was somehow corrupted, and I would like to apt-get it from the net, but it refuses and wants to download it from the cd
[07:48] <crimsun> occy: actually you can just pull the debs from incoming if you do it _really_ fast-like.
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ you did it man yourself?
[07:48] <Destructo> does ubuntu offer some kind of USb setup program ..?
[07:48] <spiral> please... can somebody look at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/WFLGzu23.html and tell me what I should edit to get 3d acceleration ?
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ make install clean? and do it again?
[07:48] <occy> crimsun: where?
[07:48] <occy> crimsun: msg me
[07:49] <crimsun> occy: wget http://incoming.debian.org/bzflag_<IP_ADDRESS>50118_i386.deb http://incoming.debian.org/bzflag-server_<IP_ADDRESS>50118_i386.deb
[07:49] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, man myself? Removing? Yes I did
[07:49] <Bader> crimsun: ok, I'll fix it, but it should have been written somewhere than simply doing a modprove/rmmod solve temporary the problem
[07:49] <occy> got server
[07:49] <crimsun> occy: you have less than one minute before the daily run begins ;)
[07:49] <occy> getting other now
[07:49] <occy> 60% [[07:49] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ did you compile it yourself? or is it a .deb? or what lol
[07:49] <Destructo>  Download the accelerated drivers from ATI's website. There should be instructions there.
[07:49] <calc> crimsun: eh? i thought daily runs at ~ 1:53pm CST
[07:49] <Bader> crimsun: if my network card isn't recognized it's because of the same thing?
[07:49] <occy> 100%[[07:49] <occy> hehe
[07:49] <crimsun> Bader: what network card?
[07:50] <zAo^> Any1 formiliar with this error? "klibido: relocation error: klibido: undefined symbol: UUInitialize"
[07:50] <Bader> crimsun: realtek
[07:50] <occy>  bzflag depends on libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8); however:
[07:50] <occy>   Version of libsdl1.2debian on system is 1.2.7-7.
[07:50] <larsrohdin> No, it still doesn't work... Open box is not on the list.
[07:50] <Bader> crimsun: realtek 8139
[07:51] <occy> crimsun: same thing with the bzflag-server
[07:51] <Destructo> spiral also you have to have the kernel sources enabe 3d accell...
[07:52] <crimsun> occy: ok, then I'll build it this afternoon if you don't mind. Can you check back around 4:30 PM EST?
[07:52] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[07:52] <Bader> crimsun: hal found it correctly; but ifconfig don't display it
[07:52] <occy> crimsun: sure will bud.
[07:52] <mz2> Destructo, yup?
[07:52] <scylax> do i need to apt-get dist-upgrade to get hoary? (i changed sources.list and did apt-get upgrade)
[07:52] <spiral> Destructo: I have linux-restricted-modules... should't it be sufficient ?
[07:52] <crimsun> scylax: yes.
[07:52] <scylax> ok thanx
[07:52] <Bader> crimsun: forget, it works now, thanks :)
[07:52] <crimsun> scylax: or Synaptic's "Smart Upgrade"
[07:53] <scylax> i prefer the command line:)
[07:53] <Destructo> spiral for 3d acell you need to dlaod the ati drivers , enable them in the kernel
[07:53] <mz2> Destructo, no specific setup tool for usb stuff, not that i know of at least
[07:53] <Destructo> spiral basically you question http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t253955.html
[07:54] <Destructo> your
[07:54] <Destructo> mz2 to be honest ive never deal with usb .. what do i do ..?  the installation is going atm , so i waiting
[07:54] <jonmasters> Anyone know where LaMont is hanging out
[07:54] <jonmasters> ?
[07:55] <Destructo> i know a Lamont , but hes at rikers island
[07:57] <Destructo> ok ubuntu is installed .  !!
[07:58] <Destructo> anyone want to help me with USB
[07:58] <thenuke> you are better of stating your problem, instead of asking if someone can read your mind and then know if that someone are able to help you with usb
[07:59] <Destructo> k nebver messed with usb . i have a usb wireless adapter . how do i get my linux to see it ..
[08:01] <larsrohdin> why wont open box appear on the list when i login?
[08:02] <crimsun> occy: what cpu do you use?
[08:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: did you restart gdm?
[08:02] <larsrohdin> how to?
[08:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:04] <crimsun> stuNNed: there must be something awry with your menu entry for gmplayer. Someone else attests that it executes perfectly.
[08:05] <maximaus> Hi everyone. :-) I was wondering if there was a way to add Swedish language support if I forgot to add it during install.
[08:06] <maximaus> I see ispell and OpenOffice dictionaries, but was wanting to have an actual gnome session in Swedish.
[08:06] <stuNNed> crimsun, you're right, sorry about that, it's probably on my end as i did an downgrade from hoary to wary, thanks, anymore testing i can do let me know, i should have mentioned that beforehand, but it works!
[08:06] <larsrohdin> no, still not there... but you gave me a heartattack when the screen went black=) didnt expect that...
[08:06] <riffic> hello, can someone help me with a sound card problem.. I'm getting this error after an upgrade in hoary to the newest kernel.
[08:06] <riffic>  * Starting ALSA...
[08:06] <riffic> /etc/init.d/alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message 'alsactl: load_stat *1134: No soundcards found...'.                                         [ ok ]
[08:06] <Destructo> hmmm how come i dnt have root ? what do i need to do ?
[08:06] <riffic> its a hercules gtxp with the cirrus logic chip btw
[08:06] <crimsun> riffic: which sound card?
[08:06] <topyli> maximaus: dpkg-reconfigure locales helps at least a bit
[08:06] <crimsun> riffic: lsmod|grep ^snd_cs46xx
[08:06] <riffic> cs46xx i believe
[08:06] <larsrohdin> then whats wrong?
[08:07] <crimsun> Destructo: follow the instructions on the wiki for root/sudo
[08:07] <Destructo> k
[08:07] <llamabutcher> to uncomment lines means what?
[08:07] <maximaus> topyli, will that remove english support? or can I safely run it without borking my system?
[08:07] <riffic> snd_cs46xx             86664  0
[08:07] <llamabutcher> i cant seem to get to install anything because my apt/sources.list is funky
[08:07] <larsrohdin> why wont open box appear on the list i gdm?
[08:07] <topyli> maximaus: no, you can add more locales without removing others. then choose default
[08:08] <maximaus> cool, topyli I'll give it a shot, back in a moment...
[08:08] <jatos> make[7] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3/src'
[08:08] <jatos> make[6] : *** [sub-src]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[6] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3'
[08:08] <jatos> make[5] : *** [build-work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3/Makefile]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[5] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free'
[08:08] <jatos> make[4] : *** [dep-../../libs/qt-x11-free]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[4] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/arts'
[08:08] <jatos> make[3] : *** [dep-../../libs/arts]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/kde/kdelibs'
[08:08] <jatos> make[2] : *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs]  Error 2
[08:08] <topyli> maximaus: i have everything in english, i just have finnish support here :)
[08:08] <crimsun> jatos: please don't flood here, thanks. Use #flood.
[08:08] <jatos> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/kde/kdepim'
[08:08] <jatos> make[1] : *** [dep-../../kde/kdepim]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/meta/kdepim-crypto'
[08:08] <jatos> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> anyone know what that is likely to be caused by?
[08:08] <jatos> sorry I was expecting the client to put that in one msg
[08:09] <riffic> irc doesn't support multiline
[08:09] <crimsun> jatos: no, the real compilation error is far above that.
[08:09] <topyli> jatos: you flooded on purpose! :)
[08:09] <riffic> multiline messages
[08:09] <crimsun> larsrohdin: dpkg -l openbox|grep ^ii
[08:09] <jatos> er no I just copyied and pasted from the shell
[08:09] <crimsun> riffic: more /proc/asound/cards
[08:09] <stuNNed> crimsun, how to fix the menu entry?  anything like delete ~/.gconf or?
[08:10] <riffic> no soundcards, crimsun
[08:10] <larsrohdin> crimsun, then what?
[08:10] <llamabutcher> hey guys, im trying to install stuff but my sources.list might be funky, i added the repositories that i found on google, but it still says i shoudl run apt-get update
[08:10] <llamabutcher> but even that doesnt work properly
[08:10] <llamabutcher> do i have to do something to the list?
[08:10] <llamabutcher> it says uncomment the following 2 lines, what does that mean exactly?
[08:10] <riffic> it was working with 2.6.8 kernel
[08:10] <maximaus> topyli, well it seems to have worked--doesn't the system need to d/l the language files sor anything?
[08:11] <topyli> should infrared Just Work on ubuntu too or is my two days fight just business as normal?
[08:11] <topyli> maximaus: no, the locales package has all locales
[08:11] <larsrohdin> crimsun, what was supposed to happen with dpkg -l openbox|grep ^ii??
[08:11] <maximaus> Ok, tack ska du ha--back in a sec.
[08:11] <topyli> maximaus: in fact, i think glibc has them, and locales just configures them
[08:11] <llamabutcher> anyone?
[08:12] <Riddell> jatos: put the full error in a file on a web server somewhere and give us the URL
[08:12] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what version?
[08:12] <maximaus> LOL, topyli, thank goodness for smart folks like you.
[08:12] <larsrohdin> aha,3.2-4
[08:12] <crimsun> occy: ping. I have your debs ready and am generating Packages.gz for you.
[08:12] <topyli> maximaus: heh. they do look a bit like me but that's a disguise :)
[08:13] <|blk|> does anyone know of a lightweight web browser that includes tabbed browsing? im using dillo at the moment
[08:13] <topyli> i can't even sync my freaking phone
[08:13] <jatos> ok ridddel
[08:13] <llamabutcher> what does it mean to uncomment lines in my sources.list guys?
[08:14] <topyli> llamabutcher: remove the #'s from beginning
[08:14] <llamabutcher> right, so when they say to uncomment the following 2 lines do they mean the first 2 repositories?
[08:14] <occy> crimsun: back
[08:14] <larsrohdin> crimsun, found something out?
[08:14] <llamabutcher> cuz i added a few different ones i found on google, but it still doesnt seem to work
[08:14] <occy> crimsun: you rock :)[tm]
[08:15] <crimsun> larsrohdin: no, I'm working on something atm. Please wait a few minutes, thanks.
[08:15] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok, no problem!
[08:15] <topyli> llamabutcher: the following two probably mean the two lines right after the line that says it :)
[08:16] <fox-paul> hi all. for the folks using hoary, can anyone tell me how stable gnome is in it? i want to upgrade to hoary, but not if it's too unstable
[08:16] <maximaus> topyli--Gnome is now in Swedish. :) Very nice--just strange that it didn't have the language available in GDM by default like Fedora.
[08:17] <llamabutcher> i dont think thats it
[08:17] <topyli> maximaus: it might have it after you restart gdm or perhaps after next boot. this box has a finnish option
[08:17] <llamabutcher> cuz now it keeps saying Type 'N.B.' is not known on line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:17] <llamabutcher> cuz the first 2 characters of the line i uncommented was nb
[08:18] <maximaus> topyli, no it's working great, GDM gives me the choic of English or Swedish now.
[08:18] <topyli> llamabutcher: put the comments back. only valid lines (starting with a deb) should be uncommented
[08:18] <esac> what do i install to get aclocal ?
[08:19] <mike_douglas> n
[08:19] <llamabutcher> right, tahts wha ti thought... so how come i cant do the apt-get update?
[08:19] <fox-paul> for the folks using hoary, can anyone tell me how stable gnome is in it? i want to upgrade to hoary, but not if it's too unstable
[08:19] <topyli> maximaus: oh, you mean it didn't have swedish right from day one? maybe fedora has all locales configured by default, and debian doesn't
[08:19] <crimsun> occy: sec, I'm rearranging my dir structure.
[08:20] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[08:20] <occy> crimsun: no worries mate ;)
[08:20] <Nap> hello !
[08:20] <maximaus> topyli, exactly. No matter, I'm guilty of doing an incorrect install. Thank you. That was simple. :)
[08:21] <Nap> do I need 'universe' source to install mysql support for php ?
[08:21] <Nap> I am using hoary
[08:21] <topyli> maximaus: np. now you can help me configure my bloody infrared dongle :)
[08:21] <topyli> all this reading hurts my brain
[08:22] <maximaus> topyli, I wish I could return the favour, but I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. :P
[08:22] <Destructo> ok. im not familair with SUDO can someone hold my hand and walk me through please
[08:24] <maximaus> Destructo, you just want to use the command "sudo"?
[08:24] <topyli> maximaus: everywhere i look on the web, all i can see is "it's simple" and "it should work very well" :/
[08:24] <occy> heh, /me just switched to size 10 font.
[08:24] <occy> I must be going blind finally.
[08:24] <occy> size 8 is just a wee bit too much these days.
[08:24] <Skwid_> does ANT exist for ubuntu ?
[08:24] <major_payne> how do I turn off the screen savers in ubuntu?
[08:24] <funkyhat> if it exists for debian
[08:24] <Destructo> maximaus i want to add a user , so i stay away from root as much as a i can
[08:25] <maximaus> topyli, it's more comforting when it's difficult for everybody, but easy for you. :D
[08:25] <Skwid_> it's not on synaptic :(
[08:25] <occy> major_payne: panel > computer > desktop prefs.
[08:25] <maximaus> Destructo, you ARE a user
[08:25] <funkyhat> get the .deb package for it
[08:25] <Destructo> occy damn 10 is like very small
[08:25] <Destructo> maximaus well user with root access ..?
[08:25] <occy> Destructo: hehe
[08:25] <major_payne> occy: Were is this panel > computer?
[08:25] <major_payne> it's not in the menu
[08:25] <maximaus> Destructo, a user that MAY have root access ;)
[08:25] <occy> major_payne: look for a panel on your gnome desktop.  heh.
[08:26] <Destructo> maximaus damn. thats scary
[08:26] <Destructo> major_payne next to Application
[08:26] <maximaus> Destructo, you still have to type "sudo command" for something to execute as root.
[08:26] <major_payne> occy: I can see the panel, but there is noting labeled "computer"
[08:26] <Destructo> ah ok ..
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: You should see something called:  Applications Computer
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: in that case, you have removed the menu bar from your panel.
[08:26] <Destructo> damn im confused ..
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: I'd suggest you re-add it.  right click on it... and add menu bar
[08:27] <maximaus> Destructo, that's just like OS X, not very scary at all. The first user of your system is allowed this privelege by default, but not the additional users.
[08:27] <major_payne> occy: No, I got the menu bar, but in the menu I can't see a menu called comptuer
[08:27] <Destructo> ah ok.
[08:27] <Destructo> im so used to adding a user..
[08:27] <occy> major_payne: heh, then, you don't have it.  here, look at this screenshot:
[08:27] <major_payne> I know how to add stuff to the panel, I just can't find what you are talking in the menu
[08:27] <Destructo> right click and add it
[08:27] <occy> http://occy.net/tmp/chiro-screenshot.png
[08:27] <occy> bottom left
[08:27] <occy> :)
[08:27] <major_payne> humm, I have te menu on my pannel, but the object you are talking about is not in my menu
[08:27] <major_payne> it's the paw, I know
[08:28] <topyli> major_payne: there's two kinds of menus: main menu and menu bar. you have the main menu
[08:28] <major_payne> I have been using Gnome for a long time, but there is no sub menu called "computer" even under applications
[08:28] <occy> topyli: heh, Almost said the same thing.
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: read what topyli just wrote
[08:28] <maximaus> Destructo,  when you run something like gdmsetup from the menu--it actually runs "sudo gdmsetup" if that makes sense.
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: I direct you, again, to topyli's comment.
[08:28] <crimsun> occy: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: right click on panel > add to panel ...  > menu bar  (NOT menu)  :)
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: add that to sources.list
[08:29] <occy> ?
[08:29] <major_payne> humm, ok, now I understand, sorry
[08:29] <crimsun> occy: yep, and then update and bz away.
[08:29] <Destructo> maximaus well i like to compile stuff on my own, so ill have to get used to this
[08:29] <major_payne> is there anyway I can get all of this in my main menu then, the menu bar takes up too much space
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: w00p
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: thanks bunches,  Do you play bzflag too?
[08:30] <maximaus> Destructo: you can create a root account if you like that way better, so you can just "su" and stay logged in as root instead of having to "sudo"for every command.
[08:30] <mz2> whoa! ATi's released drivers for X.org!
[08:30] <crimsun> occy: I did a few times, but I'm horrible at video games.
[08:30] <Destructo> maximaus what i want is to create a user account yes.. then su to root when i wat to do make install etc...
[08:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: ok, what're the issues again?
[08:31] <maximaus> Destructo, you don't need to create a new user account to do that, but you can change things so that you can su to root OR sudo.
[08:32] <maximaus> Destructo, I forget how though, LOL, have a search at ubuntulinux.org for a how-to. ;)
[08:32] <farruinn> Destructo: sudo -s -H will give you a root shell
[08:32] <yaaar> Destructo: or you can do "sudo passwd"
[08:33] <farruinn> sudo -s -H won't activate the root account or do as yaaar says to activate root
[08:33] <larsrohdin> crimsun, openbox wont show in the list in gdm
[08:33] <Cygnusx> I reinstalled Xfree86 on my new ubuntu installation, and after that i have configured the installation, how do i run X now?
[08:33] <yaaar> Cygnusx: 'startx'
[08:34] <LeChux> Hi! Does anyone know any(good) images for a network boot disk... I tried debians but I never really get it working correctly... So another bootdisk that makes me able to install ubuntu from a network?
[08:34] <Cygnusx> yaaar startx: command not foune
[08:34] <Cygnusx> yaaar startx: command not found ...
[08:34] <riffic> crimsun: any ideas on the alsa stuff?
[08:34] <froust> Cygnusx: init 5
[08:34] <maximaus> yaaar, does "sudo password" keep you logged in as root in a terminal?
[08:35] <riffic> sudo -s will, maximaus
[08:35] <im_ka> i've just built in a supersilent 500w power supply
[08:35] <farruinn> sudo passwd root will allow you to set a root password
[08:35] <maximaus> crap, I just learned something. :P
[08:35] <ogra> maximaus: why dont you just use the root terminal from the menu ?
[08:35] <Cygnusx> must be superuser froust
[08:35] <im_ka> after replacing my cpu fan, this was the 2nd and last step of building a server in my bedroom ;)
[08:35] <froust> Cygnusx: sudo init 5
[08:35] <PotajiTo> wenas
[08:36] <riffic> mz2: ati released drivers, heh
[08:36] <Cygnusx> okay froust , and now?
[08:36] <riffic> still hoarderware?
[08:36] <occy> crimsun: cool :) tx.
[08:36] <maximaus> ogra, Oh I was inquiring more for Destructo , I'm a sudo kind of guy. :)
[08:36] <riffic> or are they open?
[08:36] <froust> Cygnusx: should work
[08:36] <ogra> maximaus: great, sudo is for the cool ones ;)
[08:36] <maximaus> LOL
[08:36] <topyli> Cygnusx, froust: runlevel 5 is no different than the default 2 on debian
[08:37] <froust> topyli: He was asking how to get to X... On my box, init 5 works
[08:37] <Cygnusx> yeah, now i am in runlevel: 5
[08:38] <Cygnusx> but what to do now..
[08:38] <topyli> froust: you're on ubuntu?
[08:38] <jatos> http://qh2.qbtk.com/143-r - thats my error
[08:38] <topyli> froust: i believe you have redhat :)
[08:38] <larsrohdin> crimsun, any  ideas what could be wrong?
[08:38] <froust> topyli: negative
[08:38] <Cygnusx> froust? topyli ?
[08:39] <mojo_> Hello.  Is anyone here familiar with the audio setup on ubuntu?  I need to re-order my sound cards, and I need to pass some data to the midi channel on my audigy2 so that it will initialize the live-drive box (activates the ir so i can use my remote).
[08:39] <froust> topyli: i use redhat at school, so i might have gotten them confused... i thought i did it at home tho
[08:39] <adapt> anyone running CS:Source with a reasonable framerate?
[08:39] <topyli> Cygnusx: you need to start x with, say "startx". or install a display manager
[08:39] <Cygnusx> startx does not work
[08:39] <topyli> froust: look at /etc/inittab. debian is different
[08:39] <adapt> Cygnusx, whats error
[08:39] <froust> topyli: like i say, i could have gotten it confused
[08:40] <froust> adapt: CS Source on linux?
[08:40] <adapt> yeah
[08:40] <Cygnusx> -bash: startx: command not found adapt
[08:40] <topyli> froust: happens
[08:40] <Cygnusx> without the adapt after it , but that's just your name
[08:40] <adapt> Cyberjames, `/usr/X11R6/bin/start`
[08:40] <froust> when did that happen?
[08:40] <jatos> could someone check ot that error for me
[08:40] <major_payne> how do you get CS:S working with Linux?
[08:41] <adapt> I just got CS:Source working under ubuntu via Cedega. i get around 20+ fps , but not enough to make it really fun. i mean its playable but its a bit jumpy
[08:41] <froust> cedega?
[08:41] <adapt> i know there are ways to speed it up but im not sure of them all
[08:42] <adapt> froust, winex is now cedega
[08:42] <rexec> /2/2
[08:42] <froust> aaah
[08:42] <Cygnusx> adapt: can you help me?
[08:42] <adapt> Cygnusx, , `/usr/X11R6/bin/start`
[08:42] <major_payne> interesting, I could never run it on my laptop anyway, but I do like to play cs:s on my windows boc
[08:42] <adapt> Cygnusx, , `/usr/X11R6/bin/startx`
[08:42] <major_payne> box*
[08:42] <topyli> Cygnusx: install at least x-window-system-core. you don't have the X utilities like startx installed
[08:43] <mz2> riffic, but it's amazing :)
[08:43] <adapt> Cygnusx, did you do a normal install?
[08:43] <Cygnusx> no, i installed it trough synaptic
[08:43] <adapt> start with regular debian?
[08:43] <Cygnusx> is ubuntu warty standard installed with Xfree? of X.org
[08:43] <adapt> xfree
[08:43] <Cygnusx> xfree?
[08:44] <adapt> yup
[08:44] <Cygnusx> normally al osses now come with x.org?
[08:44] <adapt> nah. just linux distro's
[08:44] <farruinn> cygnusx hoary has xorg
[08:44] <LeChux> Is there any good boot-disk-images out there. I need to install ubuntu from network you see
[08:44] <LeChux> ?
[08:44] <Cygnusx> i thought it was x.org so i tried to install xfree
[08:44] <Cygnusx> becouse xorg doesnt support the ati drivers :)
[08:44] <Po0ky> it does now
[08:45] <froust> When I do a clean warty install, is it a good idea to download packages from the internet (as prompted) or should I wait and go through them 1 by one
[08:45] <rexec> has anybody gotten a bluetooth device connected to an ubuntu box?
[08:45] <adapt> froust, dload them from the internet when prompted
[08:45] <mz2> Cygnusx, it does now
[08:45] <topyli> Cygnusx: ahh... ok :)
[08:45] <adapt> then do another `smart upgrade` via synaptic once your in your new box
[08:46] <froust> and then upgrade to hoary?
[08:46] <adapt>  i didnt. you can
[08:46] <topyli> Cygnusx: just install a metapackage like x-window-system-core, gnome, or even ubuntu-desktop and you'll get it all settled
[08:46] <adapt> Cyberjames, topyli is right, just do a ubuntu-desktop and you will be running.... ubuntu like you just installed it
[08:47] <adapt> i mean Cygnusx
[08:47] <no0tic> I've installed hoary from arry2 and sound doesn't work
[08:47] <no0tic> what can I do?
[08:47] <felixdz> How do I give read permissions to read /dev/hda1 /mnt/windowsC
[08:47] <felixdz> ??
[08:47] <Cygnusx> so adapt, i can reinstall ubuntu and then install the ati drivers with no problem?
[08:47] <adapt> ?
[08:48] <adapt> the drivers have to do with  xorg and xfree, not ubuntu
[08:48] <Cygnusx> i know
[08:48] <Cygnusx> but its a new ubuntu installation
[08:48] <Cygnusx> so the quickest way to get things fixed is to just reinstall
[08:48] <Cygnusx> i think that will be the easyest way for me
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> I have ATI and had no need for ati drivers
[08:49] <Cygnusx> i want to use Cedega to run CS:Source :
[08:49] <Cygnusx> :)
[08:49] <felixdz> The file permissions are owned by root but even with sudo I can't change them
[08:49] <no0tic> please...
[08:49] <larsrohdin> crimsun, have you given up?=)
[08:49] <adapt> Cygnusx, what kind of card
[08:49] <Destructo> does ubuntu have ndiswrapper already installed ..? or do i need to dload it
[08:49] <no0tic> Destructo: apt-get install ndiswrapper
[08:50] <Destructo> no0tic i dont have the wirelss going atm
[08:50] <Cygnusx> Ati Radeon 9200 SE
[08:50] <Cygnusx> it works on windows xp with 35 frames
[08:50] <adapt> Cygnusx, i dont htink that will run it
[08:50] <no0tic> Destructo: so?
[08:51] <Cygnusx> oh no? multiple ppl got it running
[08:51] <adapt> on linux?
[08:51] <Cygnusx> yes
[08:51] <Cygnusx> with Cedega
[08:51] <Cygnusx> its latest version is made to work with HL2
[08:51] <spunout> so I just trashed my partition table of my backup drive with QTparted(never did like that program) and i tried to use gpart to recover it.  NO Dice. I know, I can download all that Grateful dead and whatever else i had on there again, but it would be nice to restore it... any ideas?
[08:52] <adapt> i have a 256mb geforce fx 5700 and its only running at 20~ fps
[08:52] <mojo_> tsjoklat:  I also use ATI...  just so you know, OpenGL is .-=WAY=-. faster using fglrx
[08:53] <Cygnusx> yes, but i have a AMD athlon 2600+ with 1 gig ddr, so that may be the cause that it goes so well
[08:53] <funkyhat> how do i switch resolution?
[08:53] <funkyhat> alt + +?
[08:53] <adapt> Cygnusx, i have p4-2.4 and 1g ram too.
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ really? I am pretty happy with how it works as of now
[08:54] <Cygnusx> hmmm
[08:54] <topyli> could acpi interfere with irda? i know it can do that on windows
[08:54] <Cygnusx> well i can at least try...
[08:54] <Destructo> no0tic so that command is useless
[08:54] <no0tic> Destructo: why?
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> spunout dar it
[08:54] <Destructo> no0tic well if i dont have internet, what will that command achive
[08:55] <Destructo> im new to ubuntu .. so please undertsnad
[08:55] <Destructo> understand
[08:55] <felixdz> NickServ IDENTIFY 1sayeret
[08:55] <funkyhat> oops felixdz
[08:55] <Po0ky> gna gna
[08:55] <felixdz> Doh
[08:55] <funkyhat> you need to /msg nickserv :P
[08:56] <mojo_> tsjoklat - Well, if you're happy then no need to change.  Most stuff (user interface) won't matter.  So if you don't use 3d or fast graphics, the only difference I guess would be the speed of the screensavers.  But if you DO use 3D you will probably notice a big change.    Who do we have to kidnap?  You have the newspapers for the ransom notes?  I have duct tape!
[08:58] <topyli> funkyhat: ctrl-alt-plus (or minus)
[08:58] <felixdz> Still stuck with a permission problem mounting my windows partiton in ubuntu
[08:58] <funkyhat> ok, thanks :)
[08:58] <no0tic> Destructo: ndiswrapper
[08:58] <Destructo> no0tic right but se there a special ubuntu pacag
[08:59] <Destructo> package
[08:59] <crimsun> larsrohdin: yes, back now.
[08:59] <no0tic> Destructo: if u do: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper it will be installed
[08:59] <crimsun> larsrohdin: (sorry, had to meet with students)
[08:59] <|blk|> _
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ lol I just wish I didn't have to use xp anymore
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> felixdz vfat or ntfs
[09:00] <topyli> how is gnome on hoary these days?
[09:00] <crimsun> riffic: so /proc/asound/cards lists nothing, but snd_cs46xx is loaded?
[09:00] <Destructo> no0tic ok. im on slackware atm .. the other system that has ubuntu has no internet
[09:00] <crimsun> topyli: works well here. The nautilus/panel problem seems to have been fixed via an upstream patch to gnomevfs.
[09:00] <larsrohdin> crimsun, no problem
[09:00] <mojo_> Tsjoklat Well, when you can, where you can, please do show your support for the companies that port to Linux (like ID!!!)
[09:01] <Destructo> is there a link that has all ubuntu apps ..
[09:01] <crimsun> riffic: please paste onto http://pastebin.com the output of `lsmod'
[09:01] <topyli> crimsun: and the evolution problems from a while back? crashes, imap trouble?
[09:01] <no0tic> Destructo: ok, now I understand
[09:01] <riffic> crimsun: wildo
[09:01] <crimsun> larsrohdin: this is with Hoary?
[09:01] <farruinn> Destructo: take a look at synaptic package manager
[09:01] <crimsun> topyli: sorry, I don't know regarding evolution (I use mutt).
[09:02] <larsrohdin> whats hoary?
[09:02] <no0tic> Destructo: download it from the project site and compile it, it's not difficult
[09:02] <felixdz> some gay shit.
[09:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: the codename for the next stable release of Ubuntu.
[09:02] <topyli> crimsun: ok, i guess i'll have to see for myself :)
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> felixdz_ vfat or ntfs?
[09:02] <mojo_> larsrohdin: lol!  hoary is the next release of Ubuntu
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ will do! :)
[09:02] <riffic> http://www.pastebin.com/230487
[09:02] <felixdz> Tsjoklat, xfs
[09:02] <felixdz> oh
[09:02] <larsrohdin> no, i have warty
[09:02] <felixdz> ntfs
[09:02] <crimsun> occy: how are my packages working out?
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> do you want it to be read only felixdz_?
[09:03] <mojo_> tsjoklat:  Doom3, Quake, Unreal Tournament 2003 (or was it 2004?), Wolfenstein...  There are a few
[09:03] <larsrohdin> mojo_, no one asked you... you were a n00b to once, dude
[09:03] <felixdz> Tsjoklat, nevermind. i figured it out
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset= iso8859-1 0       0
[09:03] <crimsun> riffic: the problem is that you have the OSS/Free module loaded alongside the ALSA one
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ not any of the games I want to play :P
[09:04] <riffic> oh. why is that?
[09:04] <riffic> and how can I unload them?
[09:04] <crimsun> riffic: please `sudo modprobe -r cs461x snd_cs46xx && sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx'
[09:04] <topyli> Tsjoklat: nethack works too!
[09:04] <mojo_> larsrohdin: you take me wrong.  If I meant to be mean I'd have told you to go google and not bothered with the answer.  No harm in a friendly chuckle, lighten up, k?  we're all friends here
[09:04] <carthik> WooHoo! I got the musicbrainz tagger working under crossover office !!
[09:04] <Destructo> farruinn where is the synaptic package manager ..?
[09:04] <riffic> okay. did that
[09:04] <larsrohdin> =) ok, sorry!
[09:05] <riffic> and /etc/init.d/alsa start works
[09:05] <riffic> yay
[09:05] <riffic> now how can I fix this so it won't happen on the next reboot?
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ a noob? when? :P
[09:05] <larsrohdin> it just happens to often that when you, as a noob asks a question, you get laughed at by others...
[09:05] <mojo_> larsrohdin:  no problem.  glad to see you on the light side of 'the force' (Open Source)
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin not in here
[09:06] <riffic> crimsun: thanks for you help btw
[09:06] <larsrohdin> but of course, open source is the only way
[09:06] <riffic> I was dying without my music
[09:06] <larsrohdin> crimsun, whats happening?
[09:06] <Po0ky> is there an easy way to adjust themes on a ubuntu disc without too much trouble
[09:06] <crimsun> riffic: blacklist cs461x by doing: echo cs461x | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:06] <farruinn> Destructo: iirc Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic
[09:06] <larsrohdin> Tsjoklat, no, not in here... you guysa are nice;)
[09:06] <crimsun> larsrohdin: are you using warty/
[09:07] <farruinn> Destructo: however I'm not at my ubuntu machine atm so that may be wrong
[09:07] <riffic> cool..
[09:07] <larsrohdin> crimsun, yes sir
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> larrsrohdin and girls
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin even
[09:07] <crimsun> larsrohdin: in your GDM login screen, is there a Session entry?
[09:07] <mojo_> larsrohdin: My advice is remove heart from sleeve.  When someone IS being obviously abusive to you, don't fall into the trap of screaming back.  But politely calling them out for being rude is appropriate, and may put 'social pressure' on them to stop being an ass if you remain civil.
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ your new medication is really working well isn't it :)
[09:08] <mojo_> Open Soruce IS the way... the Tao and the Te
[09:09] <mojo_> tsjoklat - self medication ;-)
[09:09] <larsrohdin> crimsun, yeah there's a menu named session
[09:09] <larsrohdin> mojo_, im just not used to nice nerds=)
[09:09] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what entries are in it, just gnome (and last and failsafe...)?
[09:09] <mojo_> Yes, 'social pressure' is not too effective in the vaccuum of cyberspace I must admit
[09:09] <larsrohdin> exactly
[09:09] <linuxboy> How do I get Ubuntu to do NTP from a different server?
[09:10] <Destructo> farruinn ok. im in my default user how do i make it super user.. since my default is root, and the pw is incorrect
[09:10] <topyli> hmm. this dongle is going to end up attached to a windows box soon
[09:10] <crimsun> linuxboy: edit /etc/default/ntpdate
[09:10] <larsrohdin> crimsun, exactly
[09:11] <LostMonk> wow
[09:11] <occy> crimsun: they are working ok it seems... 2.0.0 though... heh, it seems to be lacking something.
[09:11] <LostMonk> only took 4 weeks for me to get muy cd's
[09:11] <occy> crimsun: I may just switch back to 1.4.x
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: anything visibly wrong with the program itself?
[09:11] <spunout> Any Ideas on Rebuilding a Trashed partition table when gpart fails?
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: (e.g., in my backport)
[09:11] <occy> well, I'm sure these are bugs that others will have too.
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: ...such as?
[09:12] <crimsun> larsrohdin: checking.
[09:12] <occy> crimsun: fonts are just icky.  (I'm understanding this is an "improvement"
[09:12] <occy> heh
[09:12] <occy> +)
[09:12] <occy> and fonts can get unreadable at time. (computer garbage)[tm]
[09:12] <farruinn> Destructo: erm, if you mean what you enter when it asks for a password use your non-root user's password
[09:12] <Destructo> crimsun sorry for the repeat question . but i have destructo as the root user apperntly . i need to run as root . im not familair with sudo
[09:12] <farruinn> Destructo: if you are logged in as that non-root user
[09:13] <Destructo> farruinn well when i did the install i used destructo and added a pw
[09:13] <crimsun> Destructo: use sudo with your own password
[09:13] <farruinn> ok, that's not the root user.  root goes by no other name but root
[09:13] <crimsun> Destructo: otherwise please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> root will pwn you if you let him
[09:14] <yaaar> hey guys, is there a .deb for the sun java runtime? i'm trying out ubuntu for the first time...on my gentoo boxes, there's a package for that, which just has a fetch requirement (i.e. you still have to dl the .bin manually)....but it's real handy because it keeps up with the versioning
[09:14] <mrd> I noticed ubuntu-artwork isn't in Hoary's Packages.gz... is the Human theme now stored in another .deb?
[09:14] <occy> crimsun: thanks for making it for me.  That was very nice of you.
[09:14] <mrd> yaaar: It's described on the wiki.
[09:14] <crimsun> occy: no sweat. I have a farm of P4s here, didn't take but a few minutes.
[09:14] <mrd> There are external apt archives with .deb's, or you can roll your own rather easily.
[09:14] <occy> crimsun: hehe
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> crimsun is that to save on the heating bill? ;p
[09:15] <crimsun> yaaar: from blackdown, yes.
[09:15] <crimsun> randabis-laptop: you bet.
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> :p
[09:16] <spiral> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss !!!! I've got 3d with my ati !!! :-) thanks everybody
[09:16] <crimsun> randabis-laptop: we're working on replacing them with amds for even more savings.
[09:16] <randabis-laptop> amds run cooler though :p
[09:16] <yaaar> crimsun: no, i meant the sun implementation. i know it will make me dl it from sun manually, but was hoping i could still have it done by apt-get so that the cache would tell me when a new version was available, and so it would be seen as a dep and whatnot
[09:17] <mrd> yaaar: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:17] <yaaar> mrd: yeah i'm there now...
[09:17] <mrd> Just do method 0.
[09:17] <mrd> That's Sun's java.
[09:17] <spiral> hmmm... any new of smart batteries drivers ?
[09:17] <spiral> because if I get this working, everything of my laptop will work on hoary :-)
[09:18] <yaaar> mrd: i can't help but notice that those instructions just have you download the bin and run it....
[09:18] <mrd> yaaar: Where are you reading?  Method 0 says to add two lines to your apt archives listing, then install sun-j2sdk1.5
[09:18] <Destructo> crimsun thanks for the url. done 123
[09:19] <yaaar> mrd: ah, hang on....
[09:20] <crimsun> larsrohdin: openbox doesn't appear to put an entry into the sessions
[09:20] <crimsun> larsrohdin: (under Warty)
[09:21] <funkyhat> how do i boot ubuntu to command line and edit x server settings?
[09:21] <caleb_> is hoary not running GNOME 2.9?
[09:21] <funkyhat> :( my display is old and doesn't want to show me anything
[09:21] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok... so what to do?
[09:21] <yaaar> mrd: ok, i think i see now. thanks
[09:22] <crimsun> caleb_: yes, it is. Why?
[09:22] <melazyboy> question, how vital is python to Ubuntu -- i'm a fan of perl and i would like to remove *everything* python, i run apt-get update alot and im on a hoary system and im sick of downloading massive python libs, is complete python removal safe or does ubuntu rely on it?
[09:22] <crimsun> caleb_: 2.9.[34]
[09:22] <douglas> hey people, good night :)
[09:22] <Destructo> hmmm ubuntu doesnt have gcc ?
[09:22] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:22] <douglas> im needing help with a thing
[09:22] <mrd> Destructo: what are you smoking?
[09:22] <melazyboy> Destructo: apt-get install build-essentials
[09:22] <ogra> melazyboy: i think thats a bad idea ;)
[09:22] <caleb_> crimsun: i just installed it and nautilus (for example) says 2.8.1
[09:22] <crimsun> melazyboy: quite a big dependency for Warty and Hoary both.
[09:22] <Destructo> crimsun im not connected. is there a url i can dload it then burn and install >
[09:23] <mrd> Oh, you mean by default.
[09:23] <douglas> well i have a machine on my work with a fast internet link and other im my home without internet
[09:23] <mrd> (Sorry, I thought you meant available.)
[09:23] <crimsun> Destructo: from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <douglas> the two machines has the same hardware
[09:23] <douglas> my work machine is hoary
[09:23] <crimsun> caleb_: you're not running nautilus from hoary, then. Mine says 2.9.2.
[09:24] <douglas> is there a way to make my home machine hoary too ?
[09:24] <douglas> without internet ?
[09:24] <funkyhat> how do i boot ubuntu without loading x?
[09:24] <melazyboy> crimsun: I broke the desktop meta package along time ago, im not worried about that, just wondering if anything im using currently relies on it I mean i must have 50 python releated packages alone and i never use them
[09:24] <crimsun> douglas: look on the wiki for hoary snapshot.
[09:24] <Destructo> crimsun where is gcc under ..?
[09:24] <caleb_> crimsun: i installed warty from a 10-20-2004 cd, then edited my apt sources to be hoary.  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade.  is that not the correct way?
[09:25] <crimsun> Destructo: "g"
[09:25] <Destructo> funkyhat edit your innitab
[09:25] <melazyboy> Destructo: 'build-essentials' has gcc and make
[09:25] <duckwaltz> I'm having a problem: I just installed warty and booted for the first time and I am told that it could not start gdm for the following reason: "Cannot stat /etc/X11/X no such file or directory"
[09:25] <crimsun> caleb_: no, dist-upgrade
[09:25] <mrd> caleb_: dist-upgrade is generally better when upgrading distributions like that.
[09:25] <caleb_> asdlkfjasdlfjaslkfd
[09:25] <caleb_> thanks :)
[09:25] <Destructo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ im here what dir
[09:25] <funkyhat> Destructo: i can't, i need to boot without loading x, and i need to do it before i can use x
[09:26] <crimsun> Destructo: pool/main/g/
[09:26] <melazyboy> Destructo: just open a console, and apt-get upgrade build-essentials
[09:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> how can i copy a folder to another place
[09:26] <Tuxicity> good afternoon all
[09:26] <Destructo> melazyboy no internet on that box
[09:26] <melazyboy> Destructo: err install
[09:26] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: using nautilus or command line?
[09:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> command line crimsun
[09:26] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: cp -a origin destination
[09:26] <larsrohdin> crimsun, is there anything to do, or will i have to start witout gdm?
[09:27] <IRCusr> what advantages does ubuntu have over debian?
[09:27] <melazyboy> Destructo: Looking for it now
[09:27] <mojo_> QUERY: Anyone on who may be able to help with Audio config in Hoary (Re-order soundcards)
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Which "Device" and "Protocol" should I use in XF86Config-4 for a Logitech USB optical mouse?
[09:27] <crimsun> larsrohdin: you can certainly use ~/.xsession: exec /usr/bin/openbox
[09:27] <mrd> IRCusr: It releases more often.
[09:27] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:27] <crimsun> Tuxicity: /dev/input/mice with protocol auto
[09:27] <larsrohdin> whats that?
[09:27] <crypticreign> pavkonti: was it you that I was talking to about rhythmbox yesteray?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> is it possible to open rar files in ubuntu?
[09:27] <crimsun> BockBilbo: yes, enable the 'universe' repo and install unrar
[09:27] <farruinn> IRCusr: I like the frozen releases
[09:28] <IRCusr> mrd: but i could use an unstable apt repository?
[09:28] <IRCusr> mrd: with debian that is
[09:28] <douglas> did not found it there
[09:28] <Tuxicity> crimsun, thnks, quick answer :)
[09:28] <crimsun> IRCusr: highly UNrecommended. You'll run into dependency juggling that will cause headaches unless you're intimately familiar with apt and dpkg.
[09:28] <BockBilbo> thanks crimsun
[09:28] <crimsun> BockBilbo: np
[09:29] <douglas> when i move my downloaded archives in work to home and try to do a apt-get upgrade it dont work
[09:29] <douglas> ah a good question
[09:29] <crimsun> douglas: that's because you have to register the new packages on your system so apt knows there are updated ones.
[09:29] <larsrohdin> crimsun, whats that? nothing happens
[09:29] <Destructo> whats the diff between gcc3.3   3.4 and default
[09:29] <BockBilbo> bye!!!
[09:29] <crimsun> larsrohdin: you need to create an ~/.xsession with the contents: exec /usr/bin/openbox
[09:30] <douglas> where ubuntu/debian leaves the list of updated files when you do a  apt-get update ?
[09:30] <larsrohdin> ok, take it slowly=)
[09:30] <douglas> how to do it crimsun ?
[09:30] <crimsun> douglas: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:30] <douglas> i come from slackware, so im a small debian,ubuntu newbie
[09:30] <crimsun> douglas: read about apt-proxy, dpkg-scanpackages, etc.
[09:30] <douglas> in slackware it was only upgradepkg *.tgz
[09:30] <douglas> :)
[09:31] <larsrohdin> crimsun, it don't understand...
[09:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what doesn't understand?
[09:31] <Cygnusx|Weg> another question, where can i find .xinitrc or some...
[09:31] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: there is none by default. You will have to create one if you want one.
[09:31] <larsrohdin> create what, and how?
[09:31] <spiral> Cygnusx|Weg: ~
[09:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: echo "exec /usr/bin/openbox" >> ~/.xsession
[09:32] <arzajac> I have a pppoe problem.  I used to be able to connect, now I cannot.  My other box works.
[09:32] <melazyboy> Destructo: deve/build-essential
[09:32] <duckwaltz> Question: how do I configure gdm to work properly when I boot?
[09:32] <melazyboy> Destructo: devel/build-essential
[09:32] <spiral> any new about smart battery driver ?
[09:32] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm... crimsun , where must i make that file? in witch folder? and how or some, becouse i want to install XPDE, but it sais to edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[09:33] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: < spiral> Cygnusx|Weg: ~
[09:33] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun ?
[09:34] <larsrohdin> OMG dude, you lost me...=)
[09:34] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: he told you to create it in your home directory.
[09:34] <crimsun> larsrohdin: run the echo command I gave you in a terminal
[09:34] <Cygnusx|Weg> so, 2 questions right now, how can i make /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde run automaticly, and how can i stop gnome ?
[09:35] <topyli> ok, so the dongle works. it's just linux-irda that sucks. or perhaps it's just me :(
[09:35] <larsrohdin> just like you wrote?
[09:35] <crimsun> larsrohdin: precisely
[09:35] <larsrohdin> ok, done...=) then what?
[09:36] <larsrohdin> its not an operating system, its an adventure!
[09:36] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: can you help me? :)
[09:36] <crimsun> larsrohdin: choose Default System Session
[09:36] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:36] <larsrohdin> BRB
[09:37] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: echo "/usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde" >> ~/.xsession
[09:37] <yaaar> hmmm...this is weird. I'm at java.sun.com trying to download the jdk....but when i click the link that says "download jdk" a small window pops up containing only a ^ and nothing else happens. anybody know the scoop on that?
[09:37] <crimsun> yaaar: works fine here.
[09:37] <crimsun> yaaar: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[09:38] <larsrohdin> hey! w00t it worked!
[09:38] <yaaar> crimsun: yep, that's the url i'm at....but that "Download JDK" link under JDK 5.0 update does just exactly what I describe above.
[09:39] <larsrohdin> but OMG how do i change the resolution, i cant see anything=)
[09:39] <crimsun> yaaar: what web browser are you using?
[09:39] <yaaar> crimsun: firefox
[09:39] <Cygnusx|Weg> do i have to type echo " also?
[09:39] <duckwaltz> "I cannot start the X server ... It is likely that it is not setup correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
[09:39] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: no, it's not essential.
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:40] <crimsun> yaaar: works fine here, so it must be a local issue on your end.
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> done
[09:40] <duckwaltz> the problem is reported as: "X: Cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting."
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> and how can i prevent gnome to work?
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> as standard?
[09:40] <yaaar> crimsun: uh....yeah. of course, this is a brand-new ubuntu installation from factory discs....
[09:40] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: just choose Default System Session from the session menu in GDM
[09:40] <crimsun> yaaar: use Epiphany then
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> gdm? (yes, i am a newbie :W )
[09:41] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: that's the login manager you see with the Ubuntu logo
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> oh
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:41] <yaaar> crimsun: actually, i'm just going to dl the file on this gentoo laptop i'm talking to you on and scp it over. i was just wondering why it's all jacked.
[09:41] <crimsun> yaaar: or w3m or links
[09:41] <larsrohdin> how to change the resolution of the screen?
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes, but what do you mean exactly?
[09:41] <crimsun> yaaar: I have no idea why it's jacked on your system.
[09:41] <crimsun> larsrohdin: use xrandr.
[09:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> i dont understand what you said crimsun
[09:42] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: at the login screen, click Sessions, then choose Default System Session.
[09:44] <Cygnusx|Weg> and what does it do then crimsun ?
[09:44] <larsrohdin> this was nice! Thanks alot dude!!!
[09:44] <crimsun> larsrohdin: np
[09:45] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: it starts xpde
[09:45] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: isn't that what you want it to do?
[09:45] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes crimsun
[09:46] <Cygnusx|Weg> i will give it a try in about 5 min, thanks :)
[09:46] <drunken-wallaby> hi everyone...
[09:46] <Po0ky> is there a howto published anywhere how to adjust the bootsplash?
[09:47] <larsrohdin> crimsun, but i can still go back to gnome under session? right?
[09:47] <Destructo> ok so im trying to dlaod some stuff for the ubuntu thats not connnected .. but the everything says zero bytes
[09:47] <crimsun> larsrohdin: by selecting GNOME under Sessions, yes
[09:47] <tux_> has any gotten their webcam working under ubuntu (pref. logitech)
[09:47] <larsrohdin> ok!
[09:48] <arzajac> Would some one help me with a pppoe problem?  I was able to connect a few times.  I started getting pado packet errors on connection.  Now I cannot connect at all from that box.  Any ideas?
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> tux_: yes and no
[09:49] <tux_> HrdwrBoB, do tell
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, re-logging in right now :)
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> tux_: I havea  webcam, it's not a logitech and it works
[09:49] <duckwaltz> how do I reinstall X?
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay crimsun i can choose, 1 standard 2 gnome 3 gnome safe mode 4 xterm safe mode
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> iand i can choose last
[09:50] <tux_> what u get, webcam webcamd ?
[09:50] <tux_> can i pm you ?
[09:51] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun?
[09:51] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: ?
[09:51] <Destructo> when compiling from src . does ubuntu have something siilar to checkinstall so it creates a package for possible del
[09:51] <Cygnusx|Weg> i said :) okay crimsun i can choose, 1 standard 2 gnome 3 gnome safe mode 4 xterm safe mode .... crimsun :)
[09:51] <crimsun> Destructo: Ubuntu uses proper debs.
[09:51] <crimsun> Destructo: checkinstall is a hack.
[09:51] <Destructo> crimsun well. im dloading gcc because i cant seem to dload the.deb stuff. and i want to compile it
[09:52] <crimsun> Destructo: why can't you download the debs?
[09:52] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> well ? crimson? :)
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> lo AndyR
[09:52] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: please be patient.
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, sorry :)
[09:52] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: choose 1)
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:52] <drunken-wallaby> anyone who uses f-spot here and managed to compile it?
[09:52] <Destructo> crimsun on gftp all the data is at zero
[09:53] <crimsun> Destructo: use mozilla-firefox and right-click->save as.
[09:53] <Cygnusx|Weg> TerminX: crimsun , i am in ubuntu, only, WITH gnome
[09:53] <yaaar> hey guys, in my boot messages, just under "starting ubuntu" i get a line that says "VFS: unable to find ext3 filesystem on /dev/hda3" ....but /dev/hda3 is a reiserfs volume. It doesn't seem to cause trouble (i.e. the system still boots) ...does this indicate anything I care about, or need to fix?
[09:53] <Cygnusx|Weg> woops, i didnt mean to highlight TerminX :P
[09:53] <crimsun> yaaar: it's a minor cosmetic annoyance, perhaps.
[09:53] <spdf> yaaar, Check in /etc/fstab, and check the type..
[09:54] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: is this under Warty?
[09:54] <Destructo> crimsun hey what else should i look for since im dlaoding gcc ..?
[09:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> yeah
[09:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> it is
[09:54] <lizdeika> omg ati released drivers for xorg. am i dreaming ? :)
[09:55] <spdf> lizdeika, Nope, You're not..
[09:55] <spdf> lifeless, I'm using them right now..
[09:55] <lizdeika> no good ?
[09:55] <spdf> lizdeika, They're great..
[09:56] <crimsun> Destructo: I have no idea what you might want.
[09:56] <Cygnusx|Weg> so, yes it is under Warty, crimsun
[09:56] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: sec, I'm not in front of a warty machine.
[09:56] <melazyboy> lizdeika: Thanks for information! that should be channel topic.
[09:56] <melazyboy> lizdeika: Up until last friday i had refreshed that pages three times a day in hopes of getting them
[09:56] <Destructo> crimsun well im trying to install vmware . but apperently that ubuntu box doesnt have gcc
[09:57] <crimsun> melazyboy: I suspect it's in the topic of #ati
[09:57] <lizdeika> and ubuntu allready has them O_O . now thats respect
[09:57] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay crimsun
[09:58] <crimsun> lizdeika: of course. Did you expect anything less?
[09:58] <melazyboy> crimsun: I would suspect that as well, but being as its so eventfull, it should be on slashdot, and the gov should fly planes with 500ft banners around, and i should see it on CNN
[09:58] <Destructo> crimsun ok i dlaoded a .deb . whatsd the command to install .. ?
[09:58] <melazyboy> crimsun: It's a sign of the rapture.
[09:58] <spunout> anyone compile cdrdao in AMD64?
[09:58] <tolle> I cant get the courier-mta to accept mail from other hosts then localhost...
[09:59] <melazyboy> it's comming.