[03:02] <infinity> Logan_: A decent example is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/159458624/unixodbc_2.2.14p2-5ubuntu4_2.2.14p2-5ubuntu5.diff.gz
[03:02] <Logan_> infinity: What if it only has, say, an ltmain.sh?
[03:04] <infinity> Logan_: Well, you need to patch everywhere where that general pattern matches.  If it's only in one spot, then you do it in that one spot.
[03:04] <Logan_> infinity: Alright. And do you know anything about the gettext issue I mentioned earlier? Debian is reverting my workrave changes that I forwarded because they apparently broke translations, even though all of the files were still there...
[03:05] <infinity> Logan_: My guess is the answer is "don't remove the gettext macros" :P
[03:05] <Logan_> Ugh, alright. :P
[03:08] <Logan_> infinity: Do you think I should revert the other two packages where I did that fix?
[03:08] <Logan_> It could technically be a package-specific issue...
[03:08] <Logan_> Specifically, ghex and lxpanel.
[03:09] <infinity> Logan_: I suspect anywhere where you neutered autoconf to make autoreconf work, it was probably the wrong answer.
[03:09] <infinity> Logan_: And you perhaps were just missing build-deps or some other magic.
[03:09] <Logan_> The problem was that libtoolize and gettext don't play well together.  :P They didn't mention that.
[03:15] <Logan_> infinity: How did you regenerate the configure files? Did you just run autoconf?
[03:18] <infinity> Logan_: That might have been a slight lie, in that I know what the output would have been and may have hand-patched them to "regenerate" them. :P
[03:19] <Logan_> Okay, I figured. :P
[03:51] <Logan_> infinity: Awesome. I was able to fix all three of those packages (and now others in the future) with that manual libtool update.
[04:20] <infinity> Logan_: If you do abuse that hack in the future for non-reconfable packages, keep in mind that the whitespace often doesn't match (spaces versus tabs, etc), so be liberal in your grepping for the affected patterns.
[04:21] <Logan_> infinity: Oh, I just grepped for ppc64 in all of them. Worked like a charm.
[04:21]  * infinity nods.
[04:44] <Noskcaj> tarpman, DESTDIR isn't needed with only one package, so us having multiple made the issue.
[04:45] <Logan_> Hi Jackson.
[04:47] <Noskcaj> hey logan
[04:47] <Noskcaj> I kinda made a giant regression
[04:47] <Logan_> oh good
[04:48] <Logan_> right before your MOTU vote ;P
[04:48] <Logan_> what's up?
[04:48] <Noskcaj> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/gnome-system-tools/regression-fix/+merge/204099
[04:48] <Noskcaj> I broke gnome-system-tools
[04:50] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I'm guessing you want that merged
[04:50] <Noskcaj> yeah
[04:50] <Noskcaj> ;)
[04:50]  * Logan_ sighs
[04:50] <Logan_> I'm such a slave sometimes
[04:50] <Noskcaj> :)
[04:51] <Logan_> are you sure that's the best solution?
[04:51] <Noskcaj> At least i only have one thing to get sponsored in ubuntu
[04:51] <Noskcaj> Logan_, The first i thought of, and it works fine
[04:52] <Logan_> and it doesn't cause any regressions?
[04:52] <Logan_> well
[04:53] <Noskcaj> I could try and use DESTDIR, but i've not actually used it before
[04:54] <Noskcaj> it can't be worse
[04:54] <Logan_> infinity: does that look like a good solution?
[04:54] <Noskcaj> And to correct above, my MOTU vote has been going for 1 month as of tomorrow
[04:55] <Noskcaj> Applying by email FTW
[04:55] <Logan_> *ftl
[04:55]  * Unit193 has used dh_auto_install --destdir=debian/gnome-system-tools with dh.
[04:56] <Logan_> Noskcaj: please try overriding dh_auto_install with what Unit193 just said
[04:56] <Logan_> I think it's a better solution
[04:56] <Noskcaj> ok
[04:56] <Noskcaj> This is cdbs though
[04:56] <Logan_> well that would make that a bit difficult
[04:57] <Logan_> I think there are environment variables you can set with CDBS for destdir
[04:57] <Noskcaj> should be
[04:58] <Logan_> I'm going to hold off on merging until you figure that out
[04:58] <Logan_> I don't like the idea of specifying directories like that
[04:58] <Noskcaj> ok
[04:58] <Unit193> Logan_: DEB_DESTDIR
[04:58] <Logan_> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/03/msg00322.html
[04:59] <Logan_> yup
[05:02] <Noskcaj> fixed. testbuilding now
[05:11] <Noskcaj> Logan_, All fixed, pushed
[05:12] <Logan_> just as I was about to go to sleep
[05:13] <Logan_> Noskcaj: please pastebin a debdiff of gnome-system-tools against 3.0.0-2ubuntu2
[05:13] <Logan_> or against Debian's 3.0.0-3
[05:14] <Noskcaj> I will tomorrow. I have a game of dota to play
[05:14] <Logan_> Noskcaj: but
[05:14] <Logan_> don't you want me to merge?
[05:15] <Logan_> ugh I guess I can do it :P
[05:15] <Logan_> nvm going to sleep
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:10] <pitti> Noskcaj: wrong branch again, but I'll have a look
[06:26] <Noskcaj> pitti, oops, bad habit. thanks
[06:26] <Noskcaj> Also, the rules file has a .pot affecting option at the bottom which isn't documented, but we probably need
[06:53] <pitti> Noskcaj: yes, to get an up to date pot file for LP translations import
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <Noskcaj> We should be able to sync libalien-sdl-perl, i just don't have the time to testbuild right now
[08:31] <Noskcaj> It's just a tiff transition upload at both ends
[08:32] <Noskcaj> libepsilon is also syncable
[08:49] <pitti> Noskcaj: ^ already in trusty-proposed since yesterday
[08:49] <Noskcaj> oops
[08:49] <pitti> but it's held there as it makes a ton of packages uninstallable
[08:50] <Unit193> mvo: Heya, still here?  Taken a look?
[08:50] <Unit193> seb128: Howdy.  Any progress on the indicator merge?
[08:52] <seb128> Unit193, hey, not yet, it has been a busy week, I'm trying to have a look today
[08:52] <Unit193> Cool, thanks.
[08:58] <seb128> stgraber, pitti: hey, happy friday
[08:58] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et stgraber, comment allez-vous ?
[08:58] <seb128> stgraber, pitti: is the hackery used to make files writable on the touch image known to create issues with file monitors?
[08:58] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien, merci !
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, did you see my question in-between the greetings? ;-)
[09:01] <pitti> seb128: yes, but I wouldn't know what that should change
[09:01] <seb128> ok
[09:01] <seb128> stgraber, pitti: context is bug #1271484, see the most recent comment from charles
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: oh, that helps
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: perhaps because it watches for changes to /etc/timezone only?
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: that's a symlink, and never changes; so that would need to resolve symlinks first
[09:03] <seb128> oh, good point
[09:04] <pitti> it's not the first thing that gets broken by our ridiculous /etc hack, and certainly won't be the last :-(
[09:04] <seb128> do you want to comment on the bug to say that or should I?
[09:04] <seb128> yeah, indeed :/
[09:04] <pitti> can do
[09:04] <seb128> danke
[09:05] <pitti> seb128: done
[09:05] <seb128> pitti, thanks ;-)
[09:35] <mvo> Unit193: hi, stil here but right now a bit busy
[10:11] <zyga> hello everyone :)
[10:21] <infinity> YokoZar: So, I'm pretty unconvinced this wine-mono thing meets the spirit of the DFSG enough to be main/universe.  If you're okay with multiverse, I'll happily NEW it there.  If it has to be in universe for dependencies or some such, you really should sort out how to build the binaries from the source.
[10:21] <infinity> YokoZar: cjwatson (sitting next to me) concurs on this, FWIW.
[10:22] <cjwatson> but if multiverse it probably needs a note in debian/copyright so that some future archive admin knows what's going on.
[10:23] <cjwatson> (similarly to the policy that Debian contrib/non-free packages need a note there)
[10:23] <cjwatson> ... if there isn't one already
[10:49] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm querying errors to see if bug 1054081 is fixed per your comment.
[10:49] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[10:49] <seb128> bdmurray, is there a way for anyone to query e.u.c for those info or does it require access to the server/db?
[10:50] <bdmurray> seb128: no at the moment it requires database acces (well it might be possible with the API)
[11:11] <barry> doko: LP: #1274887  (not sure when i'll get to it)
[11:15] <seb128> barry, have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu/trusty/dh-python/1.20140128-1ubuntu1/+merge/203743 ?
[11:16] <barry> seb128: ha!  no.  doko ^^  (i'll link it to the bug.  i'll review next week probably at earliest)
[11:16] <seb128> barry, I did comment on the bug with the url
[11:17] <barry> seb128: awesome, thanks
[11:17] <seb128> yw ;-)
[11:20] <bdmurray> seb128: it looks like there are some crashes with the new version of libsoup2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848850/
[11:23] <seb128> bdmurray, that tells us that the new version is installed on the system which had the issue, not if gvfs was restarted with it right?
[11:24] <bdmurray> seb128: yes that is true
[11:25] <seb128> bdmurray, is that the full list (seems small, which is good)
[11:25] <seb128> bdmurray, I would be tempted to ack that SRU, there was no regression reported and it got quite some testing in trusty/other distros
[11:26] <bdmurray> seb128: would procmaps or procstatus be helpful in confirming that it is using the new libsoup or the process run time?
[11:28] <seb128> bdmurray, the filename is not useful, they didn't change the minor number between the versions (e.g it's libsoup-2.4.so.1.6.0)
[11:30] <seb128> bdmurray, I don't think we have the libsoup update time/gvfs start time info there
[11:30] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, I agree with marking it verification done
[11:31] <seb128> bdmurray, great, thanks
[11:31] <seb128> bdmurray, do you want me to do it?
[11:33] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm adding a comment and will tag it too
[11:34] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[11:50] <arun> #chitwanix
[12:17] <tkamppeter> slangasek, hi
[12:59] <hallyn> jibel: hi, when you have a moment, can we chat about auto-upgrade-test switching from vm-builder to rbasak's uvt-kvm ?
[13:54] <bdmurray> pitti: the fontconfig ddebs (for version 2.8.0-3ubuntu9.1) seem to be incomplete
[13:55] <bdmurray> pitti: as i386 and amd64 are missing
[13:56] <jibel> hallyn, sure, it is an option. I didn't really look uvt yet but we can chat about it.
[13:57] <melmoth> hi there ! Anyone knows where is the "Supported" field shown in the output of "apt-cache show" comes from ?
[13:57] <melmoth>  man apt-cache tells me it comes from /var/lib/dpkg/available , so i was guessing it was full of data one can set in the source package
[13:57] <melmoth>  but if i look in the source package, i dont find any occurence of Supported anywhere (and especially not in the control or rule file)
[13:57] <melmoth>  so 1) what exactly is this field about and 2) who set it and where ?
[14:05] <mdeslaur> melmoth: it's determined by package seeds, and is set by launchpad
[14:05] <mdeslaur> melmoth: it's not in the source package
[14:06] <melmoth> mdeslaur, is there a webpage that explain the support policy for kernel packages ? (ie why is linux-image-3.2.0-56-generic supported 18m whereas linux-image-3.2.0-58-generic is 5y ?)
[14:08] <pitti> bdmurray: looking; I can salvage them if that was built up to 7 days ago
[14:09] <pitti> bdmurray: ah no, built on 2012-08-22; I'm sorry, I'm afraid they are lost then; our ddeb-retriever hack has lasted way longer than we ever anticipated, and it's inherently flakey :/
[14:09] <pitti> bdmurray: so to get new ones, we need a no-change rebuild
[14:10] <bdmurray> pitti: inherently flakey?  So I may find other package versions where this is the case?
[14:10] <pitti> bdmurray: oh, I'm sure you'll find lots of them :/
[14:11] <pitti> bdmurray: our buildds keep them around for 7 days, then they get removed; within that time ddeb-retriever needs to pull them off them
[14:11] <bdmurray> pitti: okay, I was just looking at the logs from the errors retracers
[14:11] <cjwatson> melmoth: that's a trivial mistake
[14:11] <pitti> it already does that several times a day, and for the previous day, but often there are failures
[14:11] <cjwatson> melmoth: pretend they're all the same support period
[14:11] <mdeslaur> melmoth: that's weird, it's supposed to be 5y
[14:23] <seb128> bdmurray, buy enough drinks to infinity to get him to finish the ddeb in launchpad work ;-)
[14:33] <bdmurray> seb128: its already Friday I don't think I have enough time!
[14:36] <cjwatson> seb128: it's blocked on prodstack 4
[14:36] <cjwatson> nagging infinity won't do it
[14:36] <seb128> cjwatson, what is "prodstack 4"?
[14:37] <cjwatson> next version of prodstack with more scalable storage (aiui)
[14:37] <cjwatson> IS project
[14:37] <seb128> ok
[14:37] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[14:37] <seb128> bdmurray, buy drinks to elmo then :p
[14:37] <hallyn> jibel: is there a little howto in wiki/blog/whatever for how i can reproduce a test run that you do using kvm?  is there anything apart from "install;  run one command specifying a package to test" ?
[14:53] <brendand> does anyone know of anyone know of a tool in main/universe that can record blu-ray?
[14:58] <pitti> brendand: I haven't tried it myself, but a friend of mine successfully did that with k3b
[14:59] <brendand> pitti, might have been using cdrecord, which is in a ppa
[15:00] <pitti> brendand: possibly, but he didn't mention that
[15:07] <jibel> hallyn, for auto-upgrade-tests, there is this wiki page that briefly explains the setup, otherwise it is pretty straightforward. Branch the project lp:auto-upgrade-testing and run ./bin/auto-upgrade-tester  <profile> (profiles are directories in ./share/profiles)
[15:10] <jibel> hallyn, basically the qemu backend creates a disk image with vmbuilder, customizes it a bit (install additional packages, keys, uploads some additional scripts when required...) and run a do-release-upgrade in non-interactive mode, nothing really exciting
[15:11] <jibel> hallyn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup is the wiki page with the setup
[15:14] <tkamppeter> slangasek, hi
[15:16] <doko> tkamppeter, I did send you and barry an email about reportlab being available for python3. any chance to look at converting hplip now?
[15:18] <hallyn> jibel: thanks.  i'll work (probably next week) on getting a well-tested patch for converting off vmbuilder
[15:18] <hallyn> ttyl
[15:25] <sil2100> pitti: hah, found the reason why the PyQt5 application dies with appmenu-qt, now I need to find out how to fix it
[15:25] <sil2100> It's a really strange race condition
[15:25] <BadMellissa_93> I found it!
[15:25] <BadMellissa_93> http://j.gs/3Nkb !!!
[15:25] <BadMellissa_93> Ups, wrong channel
[15:25] <BadMellissa_93> Sorry Guys, Kisses, Bye!
[15:26] <pitti> sil2100: oh nice! cgoldberg will be happy
[15:27] <tkamppeter> doko, I will need to ask upstream of HPLIP.
[15:32] <hallyn> stgraber: apparently the apt proxy use in ubuntu template is broken
[15:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[15:48] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[15:48] <tkamppeter> pitti, have you seen my last mail about on-demand starting of daemons?
[15:49] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes, I did; I didn't answer yet, as I had some fires to put out in the last days, and I don't really know anything about browsed or avahi
[15:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, who is the Avahi expert?
[15:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: I suggest asking Lennart about questions about the protocol, or whether it's feasible to start it on-demand (and let it time out)
[15:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: we don't really have an avahi expert that I know of in Ubuntu
[15:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, so it is taken in by Debian sync as-is and simply worked so far for us?
[15:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: there's an #avahi channel where some folks hang out
[15:52] <pitti> by and large, yes
[15:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, is Lennart the original author of Avahi?
[15:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes, he is
[15:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, do you know a little about Upstart?
[15:53] <pitti> a little yes, but unlike avahi, we do have upstart experts in Ubuntu :)
[15:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, I try to start a service socket-triggered: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850021/
[15:54] <mitya57> Is there any way to figure out why the gloox and 4 dependent packages don't migrate from -proposed?
[15:55] <tkamppeter> This change in /etc/init/cupsd.conf should make cupsd start if something talks to its sockets, like "lpstat -v".
[15:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: oh nice! that works now?
[15:55] <tkamppeter> pitti, do I have to restart something to get these changes active?
[15:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: i. e. upstart creates those sockets and hands them over to cups somehow?
[15:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: I don't know; as I wrote several times, I wasn't even aware that socket activation works in current upstart
[15:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, it does not work for me. I simply try it following "man socket-event".
[15:56] <pitti> ISTM that slangasek said something like "it doesn't yet, but it is easy to add"
[15:57] <pitti> jodh: ^ do you know the current status of that?
[15:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, only problem is that slangasek does not answer in this channel.
[15:57] <pitti> tkamppeter: there's a sprint in London this week, probably busy with meetings
[16:00] <jodh> tkamppeter: to get that to work, you'd need to patch cups to make use of $UPSTART_FDS. Have you done that?
[16:01] <tkamppeter> jodh, yes, I did.
[16:03] <jodh> tkamppeter: when you say it doesn't work do you mean the job never starts or there is some other issue?
[16:04] <tkamppeter> jodh, cupsd simply does not start.
[16:05] <jodh> tkamppeter: I'd suggest running 'sudo upstart-monitor' so you can observe the event flows when a connection is attempted to cupsd.
[16:08] <tkamppeter> jodh, upstart-monitor seems not to exist in Ubuntu, how do I get it?
[16:11] <tkamppeter> jodh, here are the changes which I did on CUPS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850106/
[16:11] <tkamppeter> jodh, I more or less followed http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/socket-activation2.html.
[16:12] <pitti> wow, upstart activation on Lennart's blog?
[16:12] <jodh> tkamppeter: it's in a separate package (upstart-monitor).
[16:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is systemd activation, but I have used this to know where to patch CUPS and have "translated" it to Upstart.
[16:13] <pitti> ah
[16:14] <pitti> nice!
[16:16] <tkamppeter> jodh, according to upstart-monitor "lpstat -v" does not trigger any upstart event.
[16:23] <jodh> tkamppeter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850156/ wfm. Can you try that? You'll need to install procenv or change the job to use 'exec /usr/bin/env' or similar.
[16:24] <jodh> tkamppeter: of course, I had to "sudo stop cups" first :)
[16:30] <tkamppeter> jodh, into which file should I put the lines from Pastebin?
[16:31] <jodh> tkamppeter: /etc/init/whatever.conf :)
[16:32] <slangasek> pitti, tkamppeter: "easy to add" is not "we'll have it next week and you can depend on it for 14.04"... also, there's a separate question of how you're going to structure use of socket-based activation for the phone case (with lazy activation) that isn't incompatible with the server use case (never activate lazily)
[16:36] <mitya57> barry: Do you know if window-mocker will be moved to main, or can it stay in universe?
[16:38] <tkamppeter> jodh, I installed procenv, created a file /etc/init/test.conf with the content of your paste, and after that ran "lpstat -v", no reaction in the upstart-monitor window.
[16:42] <tkamppeter> jodh, I removed my changes from cups.conf now and retried. No I get " or
[16:42] <tkamppeter> 	  socket PROTO=unix SOCKET_PATH=/var/run/cups/cups.sock or
[16:42] <tkamppeter> 	  socket PROTO=inet PORT=631 ADDR=<IP_ADDRESS>" in the upstart-monitor
[16:43] <tkamppeter> jodh, sorry, I got "socket PROTO='inet' PORT='631' ADDR='<IP_ADDRESS>'".
[16:44] <jodh> tkamppeter: I connected to port 631 using telnet.
[16:47] <tkamppeter> slangasek, lazy activation works with CUPS as long as one does not share printers. Red Hat does this with systemd, see http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/socket-activation2.html.
[16:47] <slangasek> tkamppeter: yes, I understand that constraint; we need the package to continue to work correctly for users who *do* share printers
[16:49] <pitti> why doesn't it work with printer sharing, provided that it's also activated on the TCP port?
[16:51] <slangasek> pitti: because cups has to advertise the printers
[16:52] <pitti> ah, ok (I thought it would be sufficient to tell avahi once, but I don't know how this stuff works in detail)
[16:52] <pitti> thanks
[16:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, yes, it should do. I only do not know whether CUPS will then be kept up permanently by avahi-daemon. What probably will not work well is turning on legacy CUPS browsing in cups-browsed, but this we have off by default anyway.
[16:55] <tkamppeter> slangasek, AFAIK avahi-daemon advertizes the printers, but I do not know how often avahi-daemon communicates with cupsd for that.
[16:55] <slangasek> tkamppeter: avahi-daemon doesn't parse cups's config to advertize them; it needs cups to be running so that it can push this info to avahi
[16:57] <tkamppeter> slangasek, so we need to do on-demend cups only if no printers are shared, and sharing on the phone will never happen, so on the phone it would actually stay on-demand. If printers are shared CUPS shopuld be started at boot time and stay running, this will only happen if a user actually opts for sharing, and this is usually on a PC or server.
[16:59] <barry> mitya57: it's a dep of python-autopilot-tests, and i'm not sure what's going to happen with that package yet, so i guess it will just follow p-a-t
[17:00] <tkamppeter> slangasek, so we chack at boot via cups' config files whether we are sharing and only if so (or if we have still jobs from before last shutdown) we start CUPS at boot. CUPS stays running as long as printers are shared or as jobs are still to be processed. If all jobs get printed and all printer sharing turned off, CUPS stops and is startable on-demand. If printer sharing or jobs still are there up to system shutdown, CUPS only stops
[17:00] <tkamppeter> with shutdown.
[17:01] <slangasek> tkamppeter: you can't easily make the upstart jobs on disk vary with the cups config
[17:01] <tkamppeter> slangasek, this way on servers CUPS runs permanently as before, on other machines on-demand.
[17:02] <tkamppeter> slangasek, is it not possible in the cups.conf to read a config file and the env variables and then decide on whether run the daemon or not?
[17:04] <slangasek> tkamppeter: possibly
[17:04] <slangasek> tkamppeter: that does imply you need two different jobs on disk, for the two different ways of starting it
[17:05] <tkamppeter> slangasek, are you in London next week?
[17:05] <slangasek> tkamppeter: no
[17:07] <tkamppeter> slangasek, I am there due to a desktop sprint. Probably I will you contact several times on IRQ and/or report bugs on Upstart.
[17:07] <tkamppeter> slangasek, I have to go out for ~30 min now. After that I am back and I will try some more things.
[17:08] <xnox> tkamppeter: i'll be in on monday.
[17:36] <mitya57> barry: Ok, my main concern is whether pyqt5 is going to be in main...
[17:36] <barry> mitya57: yep. dunno about that, but my window-mocker port should be pretty easy to switch back to pyqt4 if needed
[17:37] <mitya57> No, please don't do that :)
[17:45] <jtaylor> barry: I have a new numpy merge, current numpy in trusty breaks pandas :(
[17:45] <jtaylor> https://code.launchpad.net/~jtaylor/ubuntu/trusty/python-numpy/new-upstream-20140124/+merge/203159
[17:46] <barry> jtaylor: you'll have to ping me next week, if you don't find someone to take a look before then
[17:55] <barry> slangasek: i do not think it's in dbus.  dbus_1.6.18-0ubuntu1_i386.deb was the last release *before* the last system-image release, and it's exhibiting the same crash
[17:57] <pranith> Hi, How do I request a sponsor for a package in my PPA?
[18:10] <mdeslaur> infinity: mind if I merge libyaml?
[18:14] <barry> slangasek: i'm not suspecting apparmor either
[18:15] <infinity> mdeslaur: Go nuts, I'm not attached to TIL for FTBFS fixes.
[18:23] <mdeslaur> infinity: yeah, I figured. thanks.
[19:09] <PaulW2U> 5
[19:11] <roaksoax> stgraber: howdy! I was wondering if you could process both maas-test and crochet from the trusty new queue if you are not too busy :)
[20:15] <stgraber> roaksoax: at the pub in London at the moment, so not the best time for new reviews I'm affraid :)
[20:25] <roaksoax> stgraber: bummer! enjoy!
[20:25] <roaksoax> stgraber: (bummer for me that I'm not at a pub in London :) )
[21:35] <tkamppeter> slangasek, still around?
[22:02] <hallyn> why pray tell is ubuntu-desktop depending on click?
[22:04] <hallyn> cjwatson: ^ ?
[22:15] <bkerensa> Do we know why wpasupplicant is included in Ubuntu Server?
[22:22] <infinity> bkerensa: It's not?
[22:22] <stgraber> possibly for 802.1x authentication
[22:23] <infinity> Oh, it's in the 'server' task.
[22:23] <infinity> I never install that...
[22:23] <bkerensa> infinity: all the cloud providers do
[22:23] <bkerensa> just saw it when pulling updates and was like huh
[22:30] <hallyn> apparently there are server farms which need it.
[22:30] <hallyn> OTOH, i don't see why i need click running on my laptop
[22:31] <infinity> What's pulled click in on your laptop?
[22:33] <hallyn> infinity: near as i can tell, ubuntu-deskto
[22:33] <hallyn> but it runs under lightdm's userid
[22:34] <hallyn> i can't purge it, and it wants to respawn
[22:34] <hallyn> (even when i mark the clickitywahtever.conf job manual)
[22:34] <infinity> Ugh.
[22:37] <slangasek> hallyn: marking it 'manual' doesn't affect the current running job which would still respawn if that's how it's configured
[22:37] <hallyn> slangasek: thing is i dont' see an upstart job for it
[22:37] <hallyn> it feels lieka  virus
[22:37] <slangasek> tkamppeter: not really, just stopping in on my way to bed, early flight tomorrow :)
[22:37] <slangasek> hallyn: ah, no idea then
[22:38] <slangasek> hallyn: /usr/share/upstart/sessions/click-user-hooks.conf ?
[22:39] <hallyn> slangasek: gah, so i can't just look under /etc/init?  still, i get:
[22:39] <hallyn> serge@tp:~$ sudo initctl list|grep click
[22:39] <hallyn> click-system-hooks stop/waiting
[22:39] <hallyn> click-apparmor stop/waiting
[22:39] <hallyn> how can i list the instances?
[22:40] <slangasek> hallyn: you're sitting next to jodh, have him show you ;)
[22:40] <hallyn> hey jod
[22:40] <hallyn> oh, he doesn't sit on irc
[22:40] <sarnold> lol
[22:42] <stgraber> for those missing context, jodh, hallyn, infinity and slangasek are all at most 10m apart
[22:44] <pranith> hi, I am looking for a MOTU sponsor...
[22:47] <hallyn> stgraber: 10 minutes is a long walk to ask such a question
[23:18] <stgraber> for anyone looking at this channel earlier, the click/content-hub/... issue that's causing some machines to use 100% of CPU is caused by a dependency change in unity-webapps-qml
[23:18] <stgraber> as it's late here and we don't want this broken for the weekend, I'm uploading a revert


[00:42] <ashams> How can I check if a package is installed by default with Ubuntu?
[00:43] <yofel> the easiest way is to check if ubuntu-desktop depends/recommends it (or ubuntu-standard / ubuntu-minimal)
[00:44] <ashams> yofel: how do you do that?
[00:44] <yofel> there are also packages that have a 'Required' Priority like dpkg or coreutils, those are installed always by default
[00:45] <yofel> ashams: open a terminal and type 'apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop'
[00:45] <yofel> that will tell you what is the default for the release you are running
[00:47] <ashams> yofel: i'm trying to ask the reporter to give me the output of "synclient", would synclient be a ubuntu-desktop dependecy, or it can be for another package?
[00:48] <yofel> that will be installed by default since it's part of the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package
[00:49] <yofel> 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' tells you that
[00:50] <ashams> yofel: can I use this command 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/synclient' for all otherpackages?
[00:51] <yofel> yes, (from dpkg-query manpage):
[00:51] <yofel>               -S, --search filename-search-pattern...
[00:51] <yofel>                   Search for a filename from installed packages.
[00:52] <yofel> if you need to find something in packages that aren't installed apt-file is your friedn
[00:52] <yofel> *friend
[00:53] <ashams> yofel: thank you, you are very helpful :)
[00:54] <yofel> you're welcome :)
[00:59] <ashams> yofel: sorry, I had another question :), are all packages in the *main* archive is default with ubuntu?
[01:01] <yofel> no, all packages in 'main' have open source licenses (I think), and are officially supported by Ubuntu. Officially supported proprietary software (like nvidia and ati graphics drivers) are in 'restricted'. Community supported open source apps are in Universe, proprietary apps in Multiverse
[01:02] <yofel> there was a page explaining that...
[01:03] <yofel> !components | ashams, the second link
[01:03] <ubot4`> ashams, the second link: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[01:06] <ashams> yofel: thank you VERY MUCH again, and really you are helpful :)
[11:51] <erkan^> hello
[11:51] <erkan^> is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa true ?
[11:52] <erkan^> i have seen that thunderbird 3.3 and firefox 4.0
[11:52] <erkan^> are they good ?
[13:31] <rr0hit> Could some one set Bug 737469 to wishlist?
[13:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737469 in unity "Hiding/minimizing windows from the dock (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737469
[13:37] <yofel> rr0hit: that is not a bug in ubuntu, you need to ask the unity bug supervisors
[13:38] <rr0hit> yofel: which channel? #ayatana?
[13:38] <serfus> oh dear... i accidentally changed the status
[13:39] <yofel> rr0hit: maybe? I'm not involved in unity development
[13:39] <yofel> they should know though
[13:39] <yofel> serfus: just change it back
[13:39] <rr0hit> alright
[13:39] <serfus> yofel, i did
[14:38] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/442932 <- does this look like video card issue to you?
[14:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 442932 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Linux Mint 7 Crash? (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[15:03] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: ping?
[15:04] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, hey
[15:04] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: before UGJ, I'm trying to get a few sesions in -classroom baout bug triage, testing, and translating
[15:05] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: would you be interested in the bug triage how-to and introduction?
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, i'll be pretty busy with the DC LoCo, thanks for the offer though
[15:06] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: er, I was hopign you'd take a session ;)
[15:06] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: a week before UGJ
[15:07] <bcurtiswx_> nigelb, i don't think i can, ping me beginning of next week if you haven't found someone by then.
[15:07] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_: will do, thanks :)
[16:47] <gnomefreak> anyone having issues with apport crashing when using to file a bug in /var/crash?
[16:48] <gnomefreak> no matter what way i use it crashes 3 ways in CLI and in file manager
[16:50] <gnomefreak> this is what i get in CLI http://paste.ubuntu.com/582157/
[16:53] <hggdh> gnomefreak, I will try with any crash I find
[16:54] <gnomefreak> hggdh: im going to try ubuntu-bug <package> and see if i can attach the file. this is assuming ubuntu-bug will work
[16:55] <hggdh> heh
[16:56] <gnomefreak> it seems to be working its asking questions and web page opened
[17:04] <hggdh> gnomefreak, it is still weird, per the backtrace this is an internal function
[17:10] <komputes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/629258
[17:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 629258 in upower (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 7 other projects) "Battery life estimation never comes around (affects: 277) (dups: 12) (heat: 1140)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:11] <gnomefreak> hggdh: bug 737667 is the one i filed on it
[17:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737667 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz keeps crashing in Unity (affects: 1) (heat: 106)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737667
[17:12] <gnomefreak> well that is compiz bug the orig bug i was trying to report
[17:12] <gnomefreak> im not going to have time to file against apport i dont think
[17:17] <hggdh> gnomefreak, I do not relaly think it would be against apport, but against python...
[17:18] <gnomefreak> hggdh: im filing bug atm ill give you bug # when im done
[17:18] <hggdh> gnomefreak, thank you very much
[17:18] <yofel> and I can't reproduce the crash here, apport suggests to file the compiz crash fine
[17:18]  * hggdh will check upstream
[17:19] <gnomefreak> hggdh: yofel bug 737677
[17:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 737677 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport keeps crashing when trying to file a bug report using an existing file in /var/crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737677
[17:19] <hggdh> gnomefreak, IOU
[17:20] <yofel> gnomefreak: can you mention that the .crash file mentioned is in the other bug?
[17:20] <gnomefreak> i dont know how to reproduce it other than the ways ive been trying and it keeps happening
[17:20] <gnomefreak> yofel: what do you mean? the 2 files that were generated are attched
[17:21] <gnomefreak> the other report was compiz crash
[17:22] <yofel> gnomefreak: yes, but your trace in the description comes from filing the compiz crash, if filing the apport crashes gives you the same trace then please mention that.
[17:22] <gnomefreak> its hard to tell if it is apport or python since apport is written in python but im looking through them quickly
[17:23] <gnomefreak> oh you mean try to report apport using the ways that failed
[17:23] <gnomefreak> let me try
[17:23] <yofel> well, it doesn't crash here, maybe it's i386 only
[17:23] <yofel> then it would be a python issue
[17:23] <gnomefreak> The problem cannot be reported:
[17:23] <gnomefreak> You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:
[17:23] <gnomefreak> apport, python-apport, python-problem-report
[17:23] <gnomefreak> thats using file manager
[17:24] <gnomefreak> same when trying file manager to report both apport bugs try CLI now
[17:25] <yofel> then update, pitti uploaded apport 1.20 today
[17:25] <gnomefreak> ok maybe that is why. ill chck updates. using cli gives me same error/warning
[17:25] <hggdh> ah, might be http://bugs.python.org/issue7942
[17:26] <gnomefreak> Status: closed Resolution: invalid  :(
[17:26] <yofel> that would explain why it's only on i386
[17:26] <hggdh> heh. But it point to a possible overflow as being the real cause
[17:27] <gnomefreak> well i didnt want to use 64bit, it always has problems so i went with i386 iso
[17:29] <gnomefreak> ah yes i see 1.20 is ready
[17:29] <gnomefreak> it seems empathy and X have been released from hold
[17:30] <gnomefreak> ok i need to get ready while its updating
[17:31] <hggdh> but why would self.report[k] be considered big? looking at the compiz bug, there is really nothing *that* big
[17:33] <yofel> apport just gave me a "Send complete report (recommended; 2.6 GB)" file, 2.6 millon doesn't fit into 32bit signed integer if that's what the size value is supposed to return
[17:34] <hggdh> yofel, 2.6 *G*?
[17:34] <hggdh> or M?
[17:35] <yofel> 2.6 *G*, it shows the unpacked filezise, not what's actually being uploaded
[17:35] <yofel> there's a bug about that
[17:35] <hggdh> well, this would certainly not fit an int on i386...
[17:35] <hggdh> so it is, indeed, an apport bug
[17:38] <hggdh> yofel, could you add this bit of info to the bug?
[17:39] <gnomefreak> thanks guys, i have to go
[17:39] <yofel> sure
[17:44] <hggdh> let me rephrase: so it is indeed, *at least*, an apport bug
[18:26] <gtriderxc> hey
[18:26] <gtriderxc> could any1 please tell me what a fallback massage is?
[18:26] <gtriderxc> "If enabled, the fallback message of the session (if present), will be displayed each time the session fallbacks."
[18:26] <gtriderxc> i wanna 2 translate the string on Launchpad
[18:27] <gtriderxc> but have no idea what the fallback massage is
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Is that in Ubuntu?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I think it means when the desktop starts, it normally starts in 3d with Unity, but if can not for any reason, it will automatically fallback to 2d.
[18:31] <charlie-tca> As in, it will use a session that fits your hardware
[18:31] <charlie-tca> It then shows the fallback message, which is a message saying it can not use 3d, so it will use 2d
[18:38] <gtriderxc> yes it is in Ubuntu
[18:38] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-session/+pots/gnome-session-2.0/pl/+translate?show=untranslated
[18:38] <gtriderxc> OK, thanks
[18:41] <alex_mayorga> Hi! Can someone help me review and upsteram bug 727190 please?
[18:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727190 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727190
[21:59] <xteejx> Evening all
[22:00] <yofel> hey xteejx
[22:00] <xteejx> Been away for a while, are there any major changes to the triage procedure I've missed since umm about 4 months ago?
[22:00] <xteejx> Hey yofel :)
[22:00] <micahg> xteejx: we have a magic button now :)
[22:00] <xteejx> micahg: Lmao, if only :P
[22:01] <xteejx> Or were you being serious?
[22:01] <micahg> xteejx: :D
[22:01] <micahg> xteejx: just kidding
[22:01] <xteejx> micahg: Micah, you bugger!
[22:01] <xteejx> lol
[22:02] <micahg> xteejx: the greasemonkey scripts are cool and LP has gotten faster in the last 4 months :)
[22:02]  * xteejx slaps micahg with a wet fish
[22:02] <yofel> oh yeah, I now don't need to wait 15s for a timeout message but 10
[22:02] <xteejx> Yeah, I've noticed! I was using the LPGM scripts before, just re-set them up
[22:02] <xteejx> yofel: Not that much change then
[22:03] <xteejx> It looks like you've all been working on what I was, the expired bugs, or someone's went in and mass sorted them
[22:03] <yofel> then again, I think LP got worse since a while ago and they fixed some of that recently, so if you were away 4 months you probably won't notice much
[22:04] <xteejx> yofel: Heh, it doesn't seem any different top me...yet, we'll see when I load a big bug report lol
[22:04] <yofel> ah, auto-expiry was turned on again (was that really less than 4 months ago?)
[22:04] <xteejx> Ahhh thank god for that
[22:04] <xteejx> Must be
[22:05] <xteejx> Right time to crunch thru a few before settling down for the night :)


[01:46] <Hilikus> how do i install pulseaudio from 12.04 into 11.10?
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: you do know there's a lot depending there, right?
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> pulse. alsa, kernel, etc
[01:50] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: I would go with audio team ppa
[01:51] <Hilikus> no, because i haven't been able to try to install it
[01:51] <Hilikus> ok
[01:51] <Hilikus> which ppa is that? they compile pulse for 11.10?
[01:57] <FernandoMiguel> Hilikus: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[01:57] <FernandoMiguel> stopped on natty
[01:58] <Hilikus> FernandoMiguel: that's pulse 0.9.22
[01:58] <Hilikus> :S
[13:32] <gnomefreak> anyone else seeing unity_support crashing?
[13:33] <pangolin> not since i switched to KDE
[13:33] <pangolin> unhelpful, sorry :/
[13:35] <bjsnider> yeah, at least kde is crash-free
[13:35] <pangolin> I don't know about that
[13:35] <pangolin> just that i gave up on Unity...
[13:49] <matrixa1> unity is a lagfest
[13:49] <matrixa1> especially on mesa
[13:50] <gnomefreak> im not lagging
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:02] <gnomefreak> hi BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj>  hi gnomefreak
[14:19] <BluesKaj> I'm confused , if I install ubuntu 12.04 on my other pc (running kubuntu 12.04 here) , what desktop will be the default or do I choose during the install
[14:19] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:19] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: unity is default in Ubuntu
[14:20] <gnomefreak> its either 2D or 3D you can choose when you login
[14:20] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, yeah, I was afraid of that :P
[14:21] <BluesKaj> I have nvidia 8400gs card installed on that pc , so it should up to the task of running unity in 3D
[14:21] <BluesKaj> should be
[14:22] <BluesKaj> I'm curious about all the fuss and complaining about unity
[14:23] <gnomefreak> it should. hell im using default ati drivers and it works great
[14:23] <gnomefreak> it has bugs a lot of them at times. right now the only one i have is unity_support crash on login
[14:23] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:24] <Vegar> Why isn't python-gobject-cairo packages for python3 as well?
[14:24] <Vegar> (this also goes for oneiric)
[14:25] <Vegar> packaged*
[14:31] <gnomefreak> Vegar: its in 12.04
[14:32] <gnomefreak> source package is pygobject
[14:33] <gnomefreak> ubottu: info python-gobject-cairo
[14:33] <gnomefreak> Vegar: ^^^
[14:33] <gnomefreak> its in both releases
[14:41] <Vegar> gnomefreak: I can't find it
[14:41] <Vegar> gnomefreak: python-gobject-cairo is for python 2.6 and 2.7
[14:42] <Vegar> gnomefreak: following the naming scheme used for other packages, I am looking for python3-gobject-cairo
[14:43] <gnomefreak> Vegar: in terminal type without the "s "apt-cache policy python-gobject-cairo" it will tell you wher eit is than you need to make sure that repo is enabled. its in main so you should have it enabled but check anyway
[14:43] <gnomefreak> Vegar: `it doesnt have a 3 in it
[14:44] <Vegar> gnomefreak: that's the problem
[14:44] <gnomefreak> its version 3.0 why is that an issue>?
[14:44] <Vegar> gnomefreak: python-gobject-cairo does NOT have support for python3
[14:45] <gnomefreak> than why is it version 3.0
[14:45] <Vegar> version 3 of cairo
[14:45] <Vegar> or python-gobject
[14:45] <gnomefreak> the package you are looking for is there. now if that is not the issue file a bug on i t
[14:45] <Vegar> here is what python-gobject-cairo contains:
[14:45] <Vegar> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.7/gi/_gi_cairo.so
[14:45] <Vegar> /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/gi/_gi_cairo.so
[14:45] <Vegar> no .so for python3.0
[14:45] <Vegar> or 3.2 or whatever
[14:46] <Vegar> it is version 3.0 of the gobject-introspection libraries
[14:47] <Vegar> but it does not have libraries PYTHON 3
[14:47] <gnomefreak> this problem is why we file bugs
[14:47] <Vegar> I see
[14:47] <Vegar> I will do that then
[16:14] <alkisg> I'm interested in installing Precise on a real system (no VM) with btrfs with file system compression on... ...or it's not that stable yet, and I should stick to ext4?
[16:22] <bjsnider> alkisg, the latter
[16:22] <alkisg> Thank you bjsnider
[16:22] <bjsnider> you can convert from extx to btrfs in the future, but not the reverse
[16:23] <alkisg> No problem; I'll postpone the compressed btrfs tests for later on, when it's ready
[16:28]  * alkisg reboots to start the installation...
[17:22] <edgy> Hi, I tried to use virt-manager with spice but it seems precise doesn't support it yet, any idea why?
[17:25] <batlock> does 12.xx use gnome 3 or unity
[17:27] <rigved> batlock: it has unity by default. gnome shell can be easily installed.
[17:27] <Pici> batlock: unity is a shell for gnome 3, but it is not gnome shell.
[19:35] <batlock> so .... is this unity bs going to be in 12?
[19:35] <batlock> or is there something new yall are trying
[19:37] <Ian_Corne> ...
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> batlock: coming from someone who disliked it aswell
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> it's getting better.... give it an honest try
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> use compiz to make it be what you want
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I did
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I can _tolerate_ it and use it
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> muli monitor support is still very weak, and I hope they get it fixed before release
[19:38] <Ian_Corne> they're focusing on that
[19:38] <Ian_Corne> in 12.04
[19:41] <bjsnider> you'll soon all be forced to use gnome-shell. one of us! one of us! one of us!
[19:41] <batlock> so if i run compiz with an nvidia 9600gsm and nvidia-current will i see titlebars or will it refuse to draw them like it does in 11.xx
[19:42] <bjsnider> there is no such problem
[19:42] <batlock> funny
[19:43] <bjsnider> that's a support request, not a bug
[19:43] <batlock> actually it happens on multiple systems with different nvidia cards..
[19:43] <batlock> all in 11 (ot in here sorry)
[19:44] <batlock> but gnome3 does look shwagga
[19:44] <batlock> shwagga like unity
[19:48] <bjsnider> batlock, what's the bug number?
[19:48] <batlock> haven't filed one, can't run the bugreporter when that happens
[19:49] <batlock> usually i'm forced to tty1 sudo shutdown -r now
[19:49] <Ian_Corne> how do you expect to get it fixed then?
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> what's currently the best tool to erase a disk?
[19:49] <bjsnider> if unity doesn't work on nvidia, someone _must_ have filed a bug already
[19:49] <batlock> i'm not worried baout that, i'm about to fix it by reverting to 10.10 lts, i'm only in here, to ask about 12
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> batlock: you should have logs afterwards?
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> or you could ssh in and get them
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> 10.04 was lts
[19:50] <batlock> the 04's are lts?
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:50] <batlock> my brain needs a kickstart then
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> and every even pre number
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> but it's not set in stone
[19:50] <batlock> is 11.04 lts?
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> no
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> even numbers
[19:50] <batlock> aah
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> 8.04, 10.04
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> and 12.04
[19:51] <batlock> allright then.. ty
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> but please
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> report the bug
[19:51] <bjsnider> that problem would have been easy enough to fix i'm sure
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> I haven't found the bug yet, and I've had unity on a 5600 card
[19:51] <bjsnider> he just doesn't have nvidia-current installed
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> 6200
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> ah he's gone
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> i've got quit/joins/parts ignored in this channel
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> to much clutter
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> it also works with nouveau I think
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> is it me, or my PC doesn't know math?
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> scrub: scrubbing /dev/sdb1<PHONE_NUMBER>024 bytes (~1TB)
[20:06] <bjsnider> maybe it's rounding down to the nearest terabyte
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> it does say ~
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> isn't that a bit awkard?
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> [162312.262618] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb]<PHONE_NUMBER> 512-byte logical blocks: (1.50 TB/1.36 TiB)
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> I'm scrubbung it :D
[20:10] <bjsnider> what does that do, write ones and zeroes like dsx?
[20:12] <FernandoMiguel>  nnsa selects patterns compliant with NNSA Policy Letter NAP-14.1-C;
[20:26] <bjsnider> that's as clear as mud
[20:38] <sskalnik> bjsnider, more clearly http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=u.s.%20nnsa%20policy%20letter%20nap-14.1-c&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oro.doe.gov%2Fprocurement%2Fitrfp%2Fpdf%2FPolicies%2FNAP%2Fnap14-01.pdf
[20:38] <sskalnik> Er, www.oro.doe.gov/procurement/itrfp/pdf/Policies/NAP/nap14-01.pdf
[20:38] <bjsnider> use a url-shortener man!
[20:38] <sskalnik> tl;dr, three passes of random data
[20:38] <sskalnik> haha yeah, my mistake!
[20:39] <guntbert> bitten by google :)
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> http://mhall119.com/2011/12/unity-phone-mockups/
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> looks nice.
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> Can you fill this up, please? https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/
[22:08] <sskalnik> FernandoMiguel, that looks sweet


[03:18]  * exacore-M uploaded an image: screen.jpg (31KiB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/ba20ce7ec6fe7f79b75b19c36b10d8d75fcbc20b/screen.jpg >
[03:18] <exacore-M> I downloaded the flatpak app "Planner" but there is this black box around the window, is there any way to fix this?
[03:49] <guiverc> exacore-M, you haven't provided release details (necessary I feel as we don't know what desktop you're using nor software stack) but I'd likely ask in #ubuntu for a wider audience (lubuntu is an official flavor)
[07:08] <keslos> hello !
[07:08] <keslos> can I ask lubuntu related question
[07:09] <keslos> I can't make dual monitor work with latest lubuntu and nvidia drivers , I see no 2560 resolution
[07:09] <keslos> might it be a bug ?
[08:56] <Nikola> Hello everyone !
[08:57] <Nikola> after installing nvidia drivers on lubuntu hippo 2560x1440 is gone from "monitor settings" utility
[08:58] <Nikola> when trying to add one it says: X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[08:58] <Nikola> 1) sudo cvt 2560 1440 60
[08:58] <Nikola> 2) sudo xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_60.00"  312.25  2560 2752 3024 3488  1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync +vsync
[08:59] <Nikola> sudo xrandr  --addmode DP-0  "2560x1440_60.00"
[08:59] <Nikola> and that last addmode command gives me an error
[08:59] <Nikola> what might be a problem ?
[11:25] <alf1975> Lubuntu 19.04
[11:25] <alf1975> Lubuntu 19.04
[11:25] <alf1975> This standard release was made on schedule on 18 April 2019.[149]
[11:25] <alf1975> This release marked the first Lubuntu version without 32-bit support. Lubuntu developer Simon Quigley wrote in December 2018:[150]
[11:25] <alf1975> source wiki
[11:25] <alf1975> it worked very well on a Pentium IV with 19 years old
[11:26] <alf1975> must be stopped
[11:26] <alf1975> there is a great quantity of computers old in world
[11:26] <alf1975> 20% at moust with less than 10 years old
[12:39] <Maik> alf1975: also here, stop filling the support channels with cruft
[12:39] <Maik> changing nicknames doesn't help either by the way, we know you are known as ruimonteiro
[12:39] <Maik> and it's just annoying
[12:40] <Maik> read the guidelines please
[12:40] <Maik> !guidelines
[14:09] <alf1975> lubuntu in 32bits flavor ? ended ?
[14:11] <kc2bez> alf1975: By the end of the month, yes.
[14:20] <Maik> alf1975: if you need 32 bit you'll have to swicth to Debian
 Can anyone help? I removed a partition using gparted. But couldn't expand Lubuntu partition. So turned off to do some research. Now I seem to be locked out. Here is the screen I get now
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/27d78790/file_2360.jpg
 I downloaded a live intall onto a USB (18.04.5 which is what was using) but it just goes to this screen and the BIOS page
 Today’s update is taking longer than usual...
 K5.4.0-71
[20:38] <kasiskol> Hello, hola?
[20:46] <kasiskol> Nothing speak here? Nadie habla aquçi?
[20:46] <kasiskol> aquí*
 You have a spanish channel in lubuntu.me/links (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kasiskol> aquí*)
[20:49] <Maik> @N0um3n0 they left already
 Ok, thanks!


[00:20] <xps13> Having trouble finding what kernel version the latest release uses
[00:20] <xps13> not on the wiki or the blog post for 15.10, any know where else to look?
[00:25] <Smurphy> xps13  4.2.0-35-generic
[00:26] <Smurphy> That's the one I have on my laptop, all updates applied.
[00:27] <xps13> cool, thanks
[00:27] <xps13> Guess I'll have to look elsewhere, need 4.4.x
[00:38] <Smurphy> for what ?
[00:39] <Smurphy> Take kubuntu 16.04 Beta ... Should have a newer kernel.
[01:32] <pepee> has anyone tried running the beta-2 live-cd on a VM? it... doesn't seem to do anything after attempting to show the desktop
[01:49] <TheFocus> #conky
[06:09] <Srikanta_> can anybody suggest IRC ID of any cloud computing group ?
[06:39] <Tweeter> Hello all
[06:57] <begonia> I installed Kubuntu 16.04 (again) this morning on my computer but at first boot of the installed system I get "all shell packages missing etc" - again. Is there perhaps something I can do about that?
[07:10] <valorie> woah, begonia
[07:10] <valorie> please file a bug about that on launchpad
[07:11] <valorie> I've not heard anyone else mention this
[07:12] <valorie> I suggest checking with #ubuntu+1 first though
[07:13] <valorie> this doesn't sound like a kubuntu bug to me
[07:14] <valorie> we have no official support for 16.04 until release here -- it's all in #ubuntu+1
[07:15] <begonia> how do I get in #ubuntu+1?
[07:16] <valorie> just like any other channel: /join #ubuntu+1
[07:16] <valorie> or in my client, just click on that channel name
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <memphisto> morning
[10:59] <home> 123456
[11:00] <home> tgugkj'lkj'l'gfhl'l'h
[11:15] <soee> ..
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:55] <TheFocus> Help:  Could not save properties.   Easy fix?
[13:52] <jemand> I just read there will be no muon in 16.04. Will we step back to synaptic?
[13:59] <daniel_> hi can anyone help me install the legacy ati drivers?
[14:07] <daniel_> hi can anyone help me install legaxcy ati driver? I tried sh sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.run
[14:07] <daniel_>
[14:08] <daniel_> and also how can I make the mouse disappear from the flash player, im currently watching a movie and the mouse doesn't disappear, unlike in windows. its disturbing
[14:09] <daniel_> ex. am watching movie on vidto.me
[14:12] <daniel_> are you guys retards why dont you answer?
[14:12] <daniel_> I can't understand why nobody helps cause on linux mint chat everybody helped
[14:14] <daniel_> maybe it's my internet connection but I'm not getting ANY messages
[14:23] <tyrog> How to change Kubuntu language using a GUI and download the language packs for that language?
[14:43] <MichaelTunnell> wait longer than 8 minutes is how
[14:43] <MichaelTunnell> jemand: where did you read that?
[14:44] <MichaelTunnell> I'm glad no one answered daniel, jerks don't deserve assistance
[14:47] <marco-parillo> Regular Muon (the package manager, not Muon Discover or Muon Updater, both of which may be renamed) has a serious bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406/comments/11 but the -devel team is trying to get it back.
[14:51] <MichaelTunnell> I didn't know there was a separate muon tool other than Discover and Updater. hmm.
[14:58] <marco-parillo> !info muon
[14:58] <marco-parillo> Couple of screen shots here: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/?content=137507
[15:14] <MichaelTunnell> hmm didn't come by default for Kubuntu 15.10
[15:18] <BluesKaj> MichaelTunnell, what didn't ?
[15:24] <MichaelTunnell> BluesKaj: muon package manager is not installed for me in 15.10. I have discover and updater but not the manager
[15:25] <BluesKaj> mi intall libmuon then muon in that order
[15:25] <BluesKaj> MichaelTunnell,^
[15:25] <MichaelTunnell> interesting
[15:25] <BluesKaj> it'll work
 Kubunt decided recent;y that my videos need to be rotated
 and thus all videos are rotated
 90 degrees
 videos recorded with my phone
 dragon player won't play them, vlc scaling is broken
 totem plays them, but they are rotated
 even kdenlive shows them rotated all of the sudden
[19:01] <pepee> telegram, lol
[19:03] <genii> He's probably holding his phone in landscape while recording videos
[19:24] <Grano> Hi
[19:24] <pepee> hi Grano
[19:25] <Grano> is there a way to disable the compositor over the terminal
[19:25] <Grano> ?
[19:25] <soee_> pobably
[19:26] <Grano> i enabled full screen repaints and now my system is unusable
[19:27] <Grano> now i cant turn it off
 genii no
 ah
 recordings were done in landscape
 played in landscape
 edited in kdenlive in landscape
 today... Kubuntu rotated them....
 all of the sudden
 even in the original videos
 that were not altered
[20:01] <Pici> telegram: ?
[20:01] <Unit193> Pici: It's a relay, btw.
[20:01] <Pici> Unit193: I know.
[20:03] <Unit193> Ah, K.  Wasn't sure based on ping.
[20:04] <Pici> Unit193: do you know what channel it is relaying?
[20:05] <Unit193> Pici: The three Kubuntu channels have something that resembles them on Telegram.
 4 channels
[20:05] <Unit193> Support/devel/ot, what'd I miss?
 they are synced to telegram via a bot and a service
 actually 5 channels
 council and podcast
 but those are private channels
[20:06] <Unit193> Of course.
 also devel is invite only on telegram
 any of you on 16.04 yet?
 I am
 you don't count
 you're a dev
 😜
 I am?
 you're not sure about that?
 Nope
 have you done dev work on Kubuntu?
 As in?
 you did
 yu packaged stuff
 I just built a few things
 you fixed discover
 I would never call me a dev
 you don't have to
 we will
 I fixed a package with riddells help
 who's with me?
 is Aaron a dev?
 Only we are online lol
 Unit193 ?
[20:13] <Unit193> Heck no I'm no dev.
 I was asking if you are with me
 into calling Aaron a dev
[20:14] <Unit193> (Well no Kubuntu one.) That's ahoneybun right?  Then sure, he's a Kubuntu guy.
 where is the setting for scaling
 got it
[20:34] <feep[ub]> hi
[20:34] <feep[ub]> I have a weird problem
[20:34] <feep[ub]> when sddm is active, logind never hits its idle timeout
[20:34] <feep[ub]> if I stop sddm, it properly idles
[20:35] <feep[ub]> it's not a matter of inhibitor locks; even if I have no locks, this happens
[20:37] <feep[ub]> any idea how to debug this?
[20:39] <Novell> it's systemd, you're not supposed to debug it, you're supposed to accept it like it is
[20:39] <feep[ub]> lol ikr
[20:39] <feep[ub]> nonetheless this is the sad world we are forced to inhabit
[20:39] <Novell> yep
[20:40] <Novell> I have wasted weeks at stupid systemd shit
[20:41] <feep[ub]> google says https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/445 which means, what the **fuck**??
[20:41] <feep[ub]> sddm doesn't report idle at all??
[20:42] <feep[ub]> that can't be right..
[20:42] <feep[ub]> do I actually need to downgrade to kdm, lol
[20:46] <feep[ub]> I guess I'll try lightdm
[21:55] <leumas> Hi All, can anyone direct me toa Lnux user group in Nigeria
[22:02] <soee_> !ng
[22:02] <soee_> !ngn
[22:11] <Cbterra> #ubuntu-br


[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <elfy> good morning dholbach
[07:20] <dholbach> hi elfy
[14:03] <popey> dpm: joining us?
[14:05] <dpm> popey, wrapping up a call, please feel free to start without me
[14:33] <mhall119> dpm: call?
[14:33] <dpm> mhall119, coming, sorrz
[16:29] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow! :-)
[19:05] <elfy> jono: you about?
[19:06] <jono> elfy, yup
[19:06] <elfy> so you want to sort out the forum account?
[19:07] <elfy> if you do let me know and I'll do it now for you
[19:07] <jono> elfy, coffee cat has been in touch with me about it
[19:08] <jono> I am not sure who that is
[19:08] <elfy> one of the other admins :)
[19:08] <elfy> if he's doing it I'll leave be then
[19:08] <jono> ahhh cool
[19:08] <jono> yeah he is doing it
[19:08] <jono> thanks!
[19:08] <elfy> you've got a pm from me you can ignore as well :)
[19:12] <jono> thanks elfy!
[22:27] <pleia2> mhall119: pearson is going to send along some copies of the official ubuntu book 8th edition that I can sign at fossetcon, thoughts on how many they should send? (they're already working with Bryan to send out a box, I just need #s)
[22:29] <mhall119> pleia2: that's awesome, I don't have any recommendations on how many though, it's your book
[22:29] <pleia2> hehe
[22:29] <pleia2> I guess it's the first year of fossetcon so it's hard to have an idea of how many ubuntu people will want such a thing
[22:30] <pleia2> 3 will probably do
[22:31] <mhall119> yeah, we had FLS in years past that Bryan helped organize, which has good turnout (not quite SCaLE level, but SELF level at least), but we've been without a show for a few years now so who knows
[22:31] <mhall119> 3 sounds like a good number though
[22:32] <mhall119> pleia2: were you planning on giving htem away or selling them?
[22:32] <pleia2> mhall119: these would be giveaways
[22:33] <mhall119> how would you do that, raffle? contest?
[22:33] <pleia2> and I guess coordinate with Bryan however they are giving away the rest
[22:33] <mhall119> ah, ok
[22:33] <mhall119> probably raffle then


[07:37] <homa_> hi
[07:38] <homa_> how can i access sells of memory in ubuntu
[07:39] <homa_> for set 1 and 0
[14:59]  * slangasek waves
[14:59] <caribou> o/
[14:59] <robru> \o
[15:00] <tdaitx> o/
[15:01] <pitti> o/
[15:01] <chiluk> o\
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct 20 15:02:01 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:03] <slangasek> barry infinity tdaitx slangasek robru doko mwhudson chiluk sil2100 bdmurray pitti xnox cyphermox caribou
[15:03] <slangasek> barry!
[15:03] <bdmurray> I'm not here
[15:03] <barry> i knew it!  the one day i'm not quite ready ;)
[15:03] <pitti> did you sort by age now? :-)
[15:03] <barry> beard length
[15:03] <tdaitx> barry, been there =)
[15:03] <caribou> pitti: I'd come first
[15:04] <barry> well, let's see if i can do it on the fly
[15:04] <barry> LP: #1634557
[15:04] <barry> working on the ubuntu-image 0.8 and 0.9 releases + sru request and exemption.  also working on autopkgtests for proving the images are mountable
[15:05] <barry> pyparsing 2.1.10+dfsg-1, virtualenv discussions
[15:05] <barry> debian bug #840084
[15:05] <sil2100> o/
[15:05] <barry> LP: #1631156
[15:05] <barry> LP: #1594794
[15:05] <barry> tox 2.4.1-1
[15:05] <barry> LP: #1633501
[15:06] <barry> LP: #1632085
[15:06] <barry> LP: #1632134
[15:06] <barry> LP: #1631961
[15:06] <barry> u-i coverage branch
[15:06] <barry> --done--
[15:07] <slangasek> no infinity, so tdaitx:
[15:07] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK Updates
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Updated OpenJDK 8 to 8u102 and applied security updates to it; moved to 8u111 as it got released
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Added autopkgtest to it
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Cleaned up mauve and cacao as those projects are mostly dead and we haven't been building using either since some time ago
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Disabled armhf tests as they were getting stuck (running for 36+ hours, BTW, does launchpad mishandle "days" in a build? It only says (X mod 24) hours)
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Backporting patches to OpenJDK 7
[15:07] <tdaitx> = jck
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Added avahi/nss-msdns to handle reverse dns between jenkins nodes; vxlan also works and is great to stitch together lxd containers on the same network
[15:07] <tdaitx> * ppc64el/arm64 nodes are indeed running on a separated network from amd64 nodes, waiting for IS to either move all of them to the same region (or allow communication between them)
[15:07] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:07] <tdaitx> * Daylight savings started last weekend (UTC-02:00 now)
[15:07] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * yay release!
[15:09] <slangasek>  * everybody feeling zesty?
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions around future POWER work
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions around autopkgtest reporting
[15:09] <slangasek>  * update on Core sprint is that there's still no update (but should be soon)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * getting my merges in early in the cycle
[15:09] <slangasek>  * SRU reviews, SRU exception approval for ubuntu-image
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions on -release about future configuration of -proposed
[15:09] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image: bugfixes (LP: #1634557), planning out future work
[15:09] <slangasek>  * updated kernels on a bunch of systems and rebooted (CVE-2016-5195)
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:10] <robru> britney2-ubuntu:
[15:10] <robru> * several iterations towards grouping packages by source ppa copied from
[15:10] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:10] <robru> * opened zesty
[15:10] <robru> * implemented support for triggering ubuntu system tests (just waiting for production creds)
[15:10] <robru> * use uuidgen instead of uuid
[15:10] <robru> * various minor cleanups and maintenance
[15:10] <robru> various wikis:
[15:10] <robru> * migrated lots of old ci train deployment docs to bileto deployment docs
[15:10] <robru> (done)
[15:10] <slangasek> tdaitx: (X mod 24) hours - heh, I haven't noticed that before; file a bug on LP?
[15:11] <slangasek> doko:
[15:11] <doko> - toolchain updates for zesty opening
[15:11] <doko> - merged GCC Linaro 2016.10
[15:11] <doko> - finished evaluation of Linaro test rebuild
[15:11] <doko> - openjdk-8 update, openjdk-9 update
[15:11] <doko> (done)
[15:11] <slangasek> chiluk:
[15:11] <chiluk> Not much from me today.  The only thing you guys would care about is the initramfs-tools stuff that cyphermox and slangasek already know about.
[15:12] <chiluk> -done-
[15:12] <cyphermox> you said the i word.
[15:12] <sil2100> On the closing plenaries, but:
[15:12] <sil2100> - Sprinting this week in Hague, meetings, discussions, sessions, plenaries * Not much time for real work, meetings meetings
[15:12] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:12] <sil2100> - Working on the snap integration in Bileto specification
[15:12] <sil2100> - Working on the general release process for Ubuntu Personal
[15:12] <sil2100> - Some finishing touches to the landing-team-tools snap
[15:12] <sil2100> - Batch binary copying from yakkety-overlay to zesty
[15:12] <sil2100> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> bdmurray is also sprinting so maybe skip
[15:13] <slangasek> pitti:
[15:14] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:14] <pitti>  - Fix result collisions when tests finish at exact same second (#1571353)
[15:14] <pitti>  - Fix virt-qemu for user/password logins on ttyS0 (#1630963)
[15:14] <pitti>  - Install credentials for snapcraft upstream tests
[15:14] <pitti>  - Provide request.cgi based GitHub test retry script (to avoid limiting this to infrastructure maintainers)
[15:14] <pitti>  - Rework retry-autopkgtest-regressions script to use request.cgi instead of snakefruit ssh access
[15:14] <pitti>  - Rewrite tool to seed passed results from current into next release; previous version was way too slow (multiple days) and crash prone
[15:14] <pitti>  - Adjust proxy rules for changed firewall rules
[15:14] <pitti>  - Add --capability option to ssh runner, to be able to run linux test with qemu+ssh
[15:14] <pitti>  - Do not include time for tmpfail retries in result runtimes (#1631262)
[15:14] <pitti>  - Build scalingstack images/containers and other setup for zesty
[15:14] <pitti>  - Review https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/307995 for teaching PPA landing support to britney; still needs some work (ongoing)
[15:14] <pitti> britney:
[15:14] <pitti>  - Rebase to Debian master, to shrink our diff (some of our patches got applied upstream)
[15:14] <pitti>  - Generalize "Policy" code to allow implementing autopkgtests as a proper Policy; this should also be a step towards robru's PPA landing support
[15:14] <pitti> distro:
[15:15] <pitti>  - lots of release engineering and testing for yakkety, and some distro bits for zestry (#1634235)
[15:15] <pitti>  - docker.io: debug autopkgtest failure with mwhudson, works now
[15:15] <pitti>  - merges: libkipi, debhelper; some syncs
[15:15] <pitti>  - netplan: Add support for manually specified name servers (#1626617)
[15:15] <pitti>  - NetworkManager: Port our "read connections and config from /run" patches to 1.4 and forward upstream
[15:15] <pitti>  - systemd: Fix change notification regression (#1632964), fix search domains with networkd in xenial (#1635256)
[15:15] <pitti>  - Fix remaining issues of indicator systemd-ification landing (ongoing, but making good progress)
[15:15] <pitti>  - Migrate from pkg-create-dbgsym to debhelper (#1623256) (ongoing)
[15:15] <pitti> misc:
[15:15] <pitti>  - ddeb-retriever: Battle with LP timeouts on getting zesty publications; cjwatson/wgrant are landing a Launchpad fix, so hopefully ddebs should appear in the next days
[15:15] <pitti>  - Investigate linux test that completely kills the kernel/testbed (#1632252)
[15:15] <pitti> (END)
[15:15] <pitti> sorry for the length -- I guess I should get a hobby or so :)
[15:15] <doko> I thought that was the french ...
[15:16] <pitti> je ne prends plus des leçons ..
[15:17] <pitti> xnox: ?
[15:18] <pitti> cyphermox:
[15:18] <cyphermox> sowwy
[15:18] <cyphermox> - preparing & testing the new shim and grub2 update to go with it
[15:18] <cyphermox> - sponsored d-i SRU for preseed change (bug LP: #1452202)
[15:18] <cyphermox> - new golang-go.crypto snapshot for juju-core (bug LP: #1634609)
[15:18] <cyphermox> - initramfs-tools reverts of the ipv6 code (LP: #1631474)
[15:18] <sil2100> xnox is on the sprint as well
[15:19] <cyphermox> - reworking initramfs-tools IPv6 magic
[15:19] <cyphermox>   + testing in a PPA, various VMs and hardware
[15:19] <cyphermox> - setting up a half-proper MAAS server at home to test remote rootfs
[15:19] <cyphermox> - various juju / packaging discussions with balloons
[15:19] <cyphermox> - probert bugfix for snappy
[15:19] <cyphermox> - reviewed subiquity PRs for mwhudson
[15:20] <slangasek> cyphermox: done?
[15:20] <cyphermox> yes done!
[15:20] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:20] <caribou> Slow SSH login
[15:20] <caribou>    - Still under investigation with LP: #1591411
[15:20] <caribou>    - Unable to reproduce using ssh loops
[15:20] <caribou> Development:
[15:20] <caribou> makedumpfile not working on kernel 4.8 (LP: #1626269)
[15:20] <caribou>  - Still under investigation, bisecting 4.7 -> 4.8-rc1
[15:20] <caribou> Meetings
[15:20] <caribou> ☑ Done
[15:23] <slangasek> cyphermox: what's the status of the shim update, then? testing going well?
[15:23] <cyphermox> yep, testing is well, we should talk about whether we want to clean up the ESP's old MokManager too though
[15:27] <slangasek> cyphermox: under the old name?  hmm, +1 for cleaning that up on upgrade
[15:27] <slangasek> (with a version check in postinst)
[15:27] <cyphermox> yeah, that was my thought. so that will still be missing
[15:27] <slangasek> ok
[15:27] <slangasek> any other questions?
[15:27] <sil2100> Good here
[15:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:28] <slangasek> and anything else that's not a question? :)
[15:28] <cyphermox> so you already mentioned the core sprint, no update
[15:28] <barry> i'd love to get a summary about the sprint once folks get home and decompress
[15:28] <slangasek> cyphermox: yes - no change to dates, just some administrative hold-up, we're still "on track" just finalizing later than we would like
[15:29] <cyphermox> well, we still haven't had a go to book stuff?
[15:29] <slangasek> cyphermox: correct
[15:29] <cyphermox> ack
[15:29] <slangasek> you'll know when you have an event code :)
[15:29] <bdmurray> the calendar has a code
[15:29] <slangasek> I assume we'll be told we have an 8 hour window in which to book, otherwise we're late and get nag mails ;-)
[15:30] <cyphermox> well, the only other thing from me is that I'm about damn ready to sell my condo, the government sprung some new financing rules that might make that more difficult, but who knows.
[15:30] <pitti> that doesn't depend on where we go for the sprint, does it?
[15:30] <slangasek> cyphermox: were you right on the border?  is the government eminent domaining it to build a wall
[15:31] <cyphermox> nope.
[15:31] <mdeslaur> lol
[15:31] <cyphermox> ;)
[15:31] <cyphermox> but for those who want to move to Canada... ;)
[15:31] <slangasek> my neighbors just went on a Canadian Atlantic cruise
[15:32] <slangasek> I told them about http://cbiftrumpwins.com/ before they went
[15:32] <tdaitx> maybe it *was* a 1 way ticket...
[15:32] <cyphermox> I'm not sure about broadband in Cape Breton...
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: the neighbors I know?
[15:33] <slangasek> tdaitx: they're back now, but they sent a lovely postcard telling us they were shopping for real estate
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes ;)
[15:34] <barry> in case of a win or a loss
[15:34] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct 20 15:34:11 2016 UTC.
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-10-20-15.02.moin.txt
[15:34] <caribou> thanks slangasek
[15:34] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:34] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[15:34] <barry> thanks!
[15:34] <tdaitx> "shopping for real state" makes it sound easier than it is...
[15:34] <tdaitx> thanks! =)


[23:00] <funkja> bascule: I am sending a message from a program and in some mail Clients it shows the name of the sender along with the email address, I was wondering if this was part of the sender adding something to the SMTP commands or the Client understanding somehow?
[23:01] <jac0b> do I need to edit my smb.conf file?
[23:01] <bascule> funkja: it's the senders client doing that as in name:bascule<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:02] <funkja> bascule: so like   "MAIL FROM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:02] <funkja> oops
[23:03] <funkja> address:funkja
[23:03] <funkja> MAIL FROM name:Jason address:funkja@domain
[23:03]  * ScorpKing drops in again..
[23:03] <georgeb> funkja: this should be MAIL FROM: Jason<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:03] <bascule> funkja: I don't actually know how it's done, but #mutt or #postfix are good starts
[23:04] <ScorpKing> !cups | jac0b
[23:04] <ubotu> jac0b: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[23:04] <bascule> georgeb: a-ha
[23:04] <georgeb> funkja: but the client might interpret somthing from DATA part of SMTP that goes something like From: Jason
[23:04] <funkja> hm
[23:04] <jac0b> don't I need samba or is that just for sharing from my machine
[23:05] <ScorpKing> samba is if you share from your machine. you still need smb-client IIRC
[23:05] <ScorpKing> !samba
[23:05] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[23:05] <ScorpKing> look at those links
[23:06] <funkja> georgeb: my smtp server isn't liking MAIL FROM: Jason <funkja@domain>. I will put it in the DATA part. Thanks.
[23:07] <alesan> is there a channel explicitly dedicated to amd64 versions of kubuntu?
[23:07] <ScorpKing> not that i know of
[23:08] <hydrogen> why would there be?
[23:08] <georgeb> funkja: some servers check the domain name if it's valid.. try MAIL FROM: Jason<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:09] <funkja> georgeb: I was using the correct domain
[23:09] <georgeb> jac0b: try running in a terminal kcontrol --nofork and configure the printer from that window, you should get more details on the error in the terminal
[23:10] <funkja> quit
[23:10] <funkja> oops
[23:14] <rubax> Nevermind Scorps, I was missing g++ (woops!)
[23:16] <contxt> Thaks for the help everyone it is printing now
[23:18] <deuryte> uuuuhhhhhh..... ilt !!  xcell......
[23:19] <deuryte> xcell
[23:19] <rubax> make
[23:19] <deuryte> xcell
[23:20] <deuryte> xcell
[23:20] <hydrogen> stop spamming
[23:21] <rubax> sorry, mine was a typo
[23:21] <LimCore> with flash my firefox sometimes when on youtube
[23:22] <LimCore> is this a known problem?
[23:22]  * Flare183 is away: Gone away for now.
[23:22] <deuryte> what is spamming???????????
[23:23] <deuryte> xcell
[23:23] <holo> deuryte spermming is something that happens in porn movies and not only
[23:24] <hydrogen> !topoic
[23:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about topoic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:24] <hydrogen> !offtopic
[23:24] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:25] <deuryte> ya dummies !!!
[23:25]  * hydrogen has seen much better trolls
[23:26] <Don_jr333> how can I tell how my drive is partitioned...how much swap space and what not
[23:26] <Dragnslcr> df
[23:26] <Dragnslcr> Don_jr333, that's for you
[23:26] <hydrogen> fdisk -l device
[23:26] <hydrogen> also
[23:26] <hydrogen> df shows mounted inforomation
[23:26] <hydrogen> fdisk will show actual partitions
[23:26] <georgeb> Don_jr333:  System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disk & Filesystems
[23:27] <Don_jr333> thanks alot
[23:28] <Don_jr333> hydrogen what 'device' do I put tehre?
[23:29] <tarin_> hey guys and galls hows it goin
[23:30] <georgeb> Don_jr333: try sudo fdisk -l ; it should find the device automatically
[23:30] <Don_jr333> ok
[23:31] <deuryte> can anyone help me with kppp ??
[23:41] <assilva> ola
[23:41] <deuryte> xcell
[23:41] <deuryte> xcell
[23:42] <ScorpKing> !attitude
[23:42] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:42] <assilva> alguen sabe como eu vejo nivel de tinta no kde?
[23:42] <ScorpKing> !es
[23:42] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:42] <jughead> Hi, What software should I use in Kubuntu for managing partitions?  I just added a hard drive to my fileserver and I need to make a couple of ext3 partitions on it.
[23:43] <deuryte> i need   kppp  help   please........
[23:43] <ScorpKing> jughead: gparted is one. i prefer cfdisk though
[23:44] <jughead> thanks ScorpKing I've used the gparted live CD - I'll try that.  For some reason I thought it was  a GNOME thing and I didn't want to install all of the GNOME stuff just for gparted
[23:45] <ScorpKing> jughead: if you use the livecd you don't have to install anything. i think it's gnome btw
[23:46] <ScorpKing> jughead: try sudo cfdisk /dev/<drive> it's real easy to use and allready installed
[23:47] <jughead> yeah ScorpKing I like the liveCD but this is for a fileserver (no monitor/KB/anything) and I get my desktop through NX; I'm still new and the GUI of gparted is nice (for me)
[23:47] <ScorpKing> jughead: just ssh into the box then ;)
[23:48] <ScorpKing> try to learn cli as you go. it gets real usefull after a while.
[23:50] <jughead> I'm doing some stuff in CLI but it's still pretty basic.
[23:57] <deuryte> xcell
[23:58] <max_> what is the login screen called? its not the bootsplash is it?
[23:59] <jembouge> max_ i guess you KDM