[12:10] <Mangix> on windows, it sounds very clearly
[12:10] <Mangix> on Kubuntu, there's a lot of jittering but you can hear the sound
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> Which version of windows ?
[12:10] <Mangix> XP
[12:10] <angasule_> kenan, you can use add/remove programs
[12:10] <kenan> nah
[12:10] <kenan> done that
[12:10] <angasule_> kenan: or adept
[12:10] <angasule_> !adept
[12:10] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:10] <kenan> i want to add
[12:10] <kenan> java
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> Mangix: Have you tried disabling artsd ?
[12:10] <kenan> and also real player
[12:10] <Mangix> h3sp4wn: what's that?
[12:11] <angasule_> !java
[12:11] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:11] <angasule_> !realplayer
[12:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:11] <kenan> thanks i will try
[12:11] <angasule_> :)
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> Mangix: run kcontrol (or system settings) and then go onto sound system - > disable the soundsystem (sound will still work but just not through artsd)
[12:13] <Mangix> h3sp4wn: did that. it still sounds kinda jittery
[12:18] <[GuS] > Au Revoir!
[12:18] <jono> yo
[12:19] <CzarAlex> How can i prevent kdm from starting when i boot my computer? I just want the command line interface.
[12:19] <lupine_85> set your default runlevel to 3 ?
[12:19] <Darkkish> do you have grub?
[12:21] <CzarAlex> lupine_85: What that to me?
[12:21] <lupine_85> CzarAlex: yes
[12:22] <CzarAlex> lupine_85: Im not familiar with runlevels and what they do. How do I set it to 3, and will that effect anything else I run on my box turned server? (apache2, mysql..)
[12:22] <lupine_85> you have 6 runlevels on your machine, which specify different programs to be run, etc
[12:23] <lupine_85> 6 is reboot, 0 is halt, 1 is single0user
[12:23] <lupine_85> 2-5 are configurable
[12:23] <lupine_85> 3 is usually set up as "non-graphical", IMD
[12:23] <lupine_85> IME*
[12:23] <CzarAlex> lupine_85: Ah i see. and how do I set this? (and set it back if I dont like it)
[12:24] <lupine_85> telinit to change the runlevel
[12:24] <altprsona> what is the default setting for the wheelmouse button? why does it open weird links in firefox?
[12:24] <lupine_85> if you find runlevel 3 does the trick, just edit /etc/inittab appropriately
[12:25] <lupine_85> (but carefully!)
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> Mangix: What are you using to play sound ?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> In ubuntu all run levels are graphical (afaik)
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> install sysv-rc-conf and remove kdm from all runlevels except 5 then set the default to 2 would work
[12:26] <lupine_85> the default already is 2 :)
[12:26] <usingkubuntulive> hmm.. looks nice and is fast, but where are all the games??? ;)
[12:26] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: Hmm. I want to convert my desktop install to command line only. Is there a more proper way?
[12:26] <jt_> can you not just goto System Settings -> System Services and uncheck "Start during boot" for kdm
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: What do you mean ? you don't want X at all ?
[12:27] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: I don't. Command line is just fine.
[12:28] <jt_> install slackware tbh
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: sudo aptitude purge kde~i xorg~i (that should get rid of quite alot of stuff)
[12:29] <CzarAlex> My issue is that i have my box all set up the way i like it with apache2 and all that jazz, but i wanna free up some memory, since i dont use X on this "server" anymore, I can do withouit it
[12:29] <angasule_> !grub
[12:29] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: The above line would get rid of quite alot of stuff
[12:30] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: stuff that would harm apache2 and mysql and stuff?
[12:30] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: I wouldn't remove the window manager, I would just stop it from starting at boot
[12:31] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: That would be perfect. How do you recommend I do that?
[12:31] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: Nope (maybe the mysql gui would be removed)
[12:31] <angasule_> is there a GUI tool to configure grub? I don't see anything in the system settings
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> angasule_: just sudo grub (the cli grub manager is pretty easy to use) what do you need to do ?
[12:33] <angasule_> h3sp4wn: basically, I want to leave only 'kubuntu' and 'windows' in the menu (and prettygying it, if possible)
[12:34] <Mangix> is there any way to select the output device used for audio?
[12:34] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: I hope its not that complicated :)
[12:34] <jt_> angasule_: you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <jt_> angasule_: eg $ sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <angasule_> jt_: I know how to do it manually, I was just asking for a GUI :)
[12:35] <angasule_> I'm a vim user heh
[12:35] <jt_> dont think there is a kubuntu gui :(
[12:35] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: You can edit your /etc/inittab to change the runlevel. I'm trying to find an easier way.
[12:35] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: I appreciate it.
[12:37] <Mangix> is there any way to select the output device used for audio?
[12:38] <angasule_> !audio
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: try this 'sudo cp /etc/inittab /etc/inittab.bak' to backup the init tab. Then edit the line that looks like 'id:2:initdefault' change the 2 to 1, save the file and reboot. if that doesn't work, 'sudo cp /etc/inittab.bak /etc/inittab' to restore the file
[12:39] <Mangix> !botsnack
[12:39] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:39] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: and try a different runlevel?
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> runlevel 1 is single user - I don't think you want that
[12:39] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: no, then come back and we'll go from there ;)
[12:39] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: True.
[12:39] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: okay. brb
[12:40] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: There is 0-6 0 is halt, 1 is single user mode, 2-5 are multi user and 6 is reboot
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: You need to remove things from starting from whatever run level you want to use
[12:40] <TheHighChild> CzarAlex: Def listen to h3sp4wn cause he pwns the hell out of me
[12:40] <CzarAlex> TheHighChild: understood :)
[12:40] <daniloc> hi
[12:40] <daniloc> how to configure the kernel
[12:40] <daniloc> ?
[12:40] <D3ltaCain> hey everyone, I have pretty serious kubuntu problem, I tired installing it on my friends computer and after the os loads, when you should get a long in screen, the monitor goes into standby. if you press the power button, you get the console looking stuff.
[12:40] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: and how do I know what i need to remove prior to setting the new runlevel?
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> CzarAlex: Remove kdm is a good start
[12:41] <daniloc> how to configure the kernel
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: make menuconfig
[12:42] <daniloc> root@Daniloc:/home/daniloc# make menuconfig
[12:42] <daniloc> bash: make: command not found
[12:42] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: sudo apt-get remove kdm ?
[12:42] <jt_> daniloc: you need automake
[12:43] <daniloc> what i need ?
[12:43] <jt_> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> you don't need automake
[12:43] <daniloc> wait
[12:43] <daniloc> what i need now?
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> you need ncurses-dev kernel-package build-essential
[12:44] <CzarAlex> h3sp4wn: thats not to me is it..
[12:44] <Riddell> ** testers needed for  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143/ dapper main
[12:45] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: what i need, and what i must do ?
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: How would I know what you need
[12:45] <daniloc> listen
[12:45] <daniloc> but my english is bad
[12:46] <daniloc> i restard my computer, and when is booted my wifi card dont work!??!
[12:46] <daniloc> and i must use other kernel (recover) and now is ok
[12:46] <daniloc> if u mean me
[12:46] <daniloc> i dont know what is happening
[12:47] <daniloc> now is ok, but when i start standard kernel
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> edit /etc/apt/source.list find the line that says dapper-security main - change it to be dapper-security main restricted
[12:47] <daniloc> my wifi didnt work :(
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:47] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: talking to me ?
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> yep
[12:47] <daniloc> i do that
[12:47] <daniloc> i update all
[12:48] <daniloc> few hours ago
[12:48] <daniloc> i update all
[12:48] <daniloc> and restart computer
[12:48] <daniloc> when i boot the kubuntu
[12:48] <daniloc> wifi dont work
[12:48] <daniloc> but i dont know why
[12:48] <Darkkish> is it USB?
[12:49] <daniloc> no, PCI
[12:49] <daniloc> fuckin sys update
[12:50] <daniloc> anybody know what to do ?
[12:50] <daniloc> how to restore or something else?!?!
[12:51] <andi_> how can I open in the shell Kate (root modus) (/etc/apt/sources.list) ?
[12:51] <lupine_85> kdesu kate
[12:51] <andi_> thx
[12:52] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: help if u know how ..
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> I have already told you how
[12:53] <daniloc> what?
[12:58] <daniloc> h3sp4wn:
[12:58] <daniloc> i add this repos
[12:58] <daniloc> and do dist-upgrade
[12:58] <daniloc> u mean that ?
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> Yep
[01:00] <daniloc> ok...
[01:00] <daniloc> updating now :)
[01:00] <daniloc> when is update finished, what i need to do ?
[01:00] <biggie> hello
[01:02] <gan|y|med> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22687
[01:02] <gan|y|med> wrong channel, sry
[01:03] <daniloc> :))
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: Reboot and select the kernel and the correct modules / firmware should be there
[01:03] <daniloc> ok
[01:03] <daniloc> thanks
[01:03] <daniloc> /say $ip
[01:03] <daniloc> :)))
[01:05] <andi_> I tried to install a nvidia driver for my Geforce fx 5200, but then came that !
[01:05] <andi_> mom
[01:06] <andi_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/161933
[01:06] <Bud_Spencer> ive got the same card...
[01:06] <andi_> @Bud_Spencer jeah !
[01:07] <Hawkwind> trappist: Congrats man.  Just saw what was going on in the meeting channel :)
[01:07] <Bud_Spencer> one moment
[01:07] <trappist> Hawkwind: thanks :)
[01:08] <Bud_Spencer> what did you do?
[01:08] <Hawkwind> trappist: BTW...I hear you are working on a new version of IPKF...any release date set ?
[01:08] <andi_> I installed nvidia-glx !
[01:08] <trappist> Hawkwind: soon as I can get it put together.  it just fixes one bug.  then I'm gonna try to package it for edgy.
[01:09] <dnm_> Hi people. Quick question that I haven't found an easy answer to: how do I get Kate to stop showing end-of-line/CRLF marks?
[01:09] <Hawkwind> trappist: Very kewl.  It will be nice to have the latest in Edgy when it's released
[01:09] <Bud_Spencer> why didnt do that? change the driver from nv to nvividia in xorg.conf's driver section
[01:10] <Bud_Spencer> or Ill send you my xorg.conf
[01:11] <z22> bonjour tlm
[01:11] <Bud_Spencer> good fight, good night!
[01:11] <z22> j'ai install kubuntu 6.06 et j'ai un prob de clavier...
[01:12] <Hawkwind> !fr
[01:12] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: updated, what now ?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: Reboot try the kernel
[01:14] <Darkkish> lol
[01:14] <Darkkish> now we wait until he comes back on liveCD telling you its broke
[01:21] <D3ltaCain> hey
[01:22] <D3ltaCain> I have a friend for who I tired to install kubuntu
[01:22] <D3ltaCain> but it failed miserably
[01:22] <D3ltaCain> as soon as kubuntu is done the loading stuff, the screen goes into standby
[01:22] <D3ltaCain> no output
[01:22] <D3ltaCain> can anyone help?
[01:27] <ubuntu> greetings
[01:28] <rhi> Set up latest quinns on a kubuntu box with ati, xserver fails to start, anyone know where i could look or the poblem?
[01:38] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: man, with standard kernel no working
[01:38] <vicky_> hi
[01:39] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: man, with standard kernel no working
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: What driver do you use ?
[01:40] <daniloc> i dont know
[01:40] <daniloc> ubuntu find it alone
[01:40] <daniloc> when i use secondary kernel image, everything do fine
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> Well that means you don't have dapper-security restricted enabled (thats the only thing it could be)
[01:41] <link_36p> Set up latest quinns on a kubuntu box with ati, xserver fails to start, anyone know where i could look or the poblem?
[01:41] <daniloc> it is enabled
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> link_36p: #ubuntu-xgl
[01:42] <daniloc> enabled 100%
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386
[01:43] <ubotu> Package linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386 does not exist in any distro I know
[01:44] <daniloc> W: Unable to locate package linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386
[01:45] <daniloc> h3sp4wn: any idea ?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: Manually download linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386.deb from dapper-security
[01:46] <daniloc> and with that ?
[01:46] <daniloc> what to do ?
[01:47] <hybrid> DaSkreech pm me plz
 daniloc: Manually download linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386.deb from dapper-security i have that, installed
[01:47] <daniloc> :(( what to do :(((
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> daniloc: Attempt to solve problems your self just moaning just irritates me - try finding a channel which speaks your own language
[01:49] <daniloc> dont have that channel
[01:50] <soulrider> !easysource
[01:50] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:51] <Sanne> daniloc: search the package on packages.ubuntu.com, download it to your harddisk, and install it with 'sudo dpkg -i <packagename>'
[01:51] <daniloc> i have thah package installed
[01:53] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can install GNOME on kubuntu edgy? :P
[01:54] <Mortice> soulrider: pretty sure even on edgy it's as simple as sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <soulrider> nope, the package doesnt seem to be there
[01:55] <Mortice> soulrider: can you pastebot your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[01:55] <soulrider> sure
[01:56] <soulrider> uhm... nevermind i think i can fix it myself
[01:56] <Mortice> soulrider: OK :)
[01:58] <Darkkish> hey
[01:58] <Darkkish> how do i kill artsd?
[01:58] <soulrider> yea, i think its gonna work :)
[01:58] <soulrider> sudo killall artsd i guess
[01:59] <soulrider> did theyc hange the font in edgy? :/
[02:01] <daniloc> good night ;)
[02:01] <daniloc> i must sleep :)
[02:01] <daniloc> cya
[02:02] <soulrider> Mortice: its working :)
[02:02] <Mortice> soulrider: it's better to do just "killall artsd" rather than "sudo killall artsd", so that you don't kill an artsd process spawned by another user.
[02:02] <Mortice> soulrider: Nice. :)
[02:14] <seurimas> hello all
[02:38] <DonDma> Hi
[02:41] <deeo> is there any reason for PAM stating my username/password are incorrect when trying to add a printer?
[02:42] <deeo> either via the control centre or via localhost:631
[02:42] <deeo> (http)
[02:42] <deeo> tried root, too, even assigned a password for root
[02:42] <deeo> no dice
[02:42] <deeo> error log says: cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Authentication failure)! \n CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
[02:44] <_ian> hi is there an autoscript to automount windows partitions?
[02:45] <ALEJO> hi
[02:45] <ALEJO> spanish?
[02:46] <_ian> sy
[02:46] <ubuntu> hey, anyone online that can help with an xine problem ?
[02:47] <Telroth> anyone?
[02:48] <killermach_> I lost sound somewhere while running easyubuntu, any clues?
[02:49] <_ian> guys is there a way to have a theme like suse run in kubuntu?
[02:51] <Telroth> _ian: yes
[02:55] <_ian> hmmm how will my windows partitions be automounted and accessible...i can see them in media folder but when i click on them it says i donthave access
[02:57] <Telroth> _ian: sudo umount /media/<device> && sudo mount /media/<device> -t ntfs -o rw,exec,uid=<your user name>
[02:59] <_ian> hmmm what does that command do? i just want to know
[02:59] <Telroth> it furst unmounts the drive
[02:59] <Telroth> *first
[02:59] <Telroth> then remounts it in read-write mode and gives your user read priviledges
[03:00] <_ian> how can i get it to be accessibvle mby all users?
[03:00] <_ian> is there a way to do that in fstab?
[03:01] <Darkkish> help me install mp3 support
[03:01] <Telroth> _ian: there's a way to do it in fstab, i can't tell you off the top of my head though
[03:02] <_ian> is automatix recommended for installing all the codecs like wht darkkish needs? i read itin the forums
[03:02] <Telroth> Darkkish: mp3 support is installed by default
[03:02] <Darkkish> no its not
[03:02] <Jondo> Hi, I'm trying to do some phone support for my brother trying to get his wireless to work in Kubuntu. I'm not familiar with the kcontrol network config panels.. Are these "knetworkconf", or something else? And would they conflict with manual settings done with iwconfig?
[03:02] <Darkkish> Telroth,  no its not
[03:05] <Telroth> Jondo: try start-> internet -> wireless assistant
[03:06] <_ian> Telroth now i can open the folder with the padlock icon on it without errors but twhats strange is there seems to be nothing inside while i do know there is
[03:06] <Darkkish> someone please tell me how to get mp3's working
[03:06] <Telroth> _ian: is the partition formatted as ntfs (windows 2000 or windows xp systems) ?
[03:07] <Telroth> Darkkish: give me moment
[03:08] <guest_> help me.. grub problem,  grub says error 17,  and so I boot to SystemRestoreCD and /dev/hda5 reports as unknown partition type in qtparted
[03:08] <guest_> my file partition should be ext3
[03:08] <Darkkish> guest
[03:08] <Darkkish> did you delete any Operating systems before uninstalling grub?
[03:09] <guest_> can i use fdisk to set the partition type to ext3 without trashing the data that may still be on the partition?
[03:09] <Telroth> guest_: hit c, then "root (hd0,0)" where the first 0 is the drive number and the second is the partition number
[03:09] <_ian> should my hrddrive be medi/hda1 or ev/hda1
[03:09] <guest_> no.. I have dual boot linux/winxp and I booted grub selected winxp and then shutdown winxp and rebooted now error 17
[03:10] <_ian> fix the mbr i guess
[03:10] <Telroth> then "kernel /path/to/kernel" (*usually* /vmlinuz)
[03:10] <guest_> Telroth: one drive only hda
[03:10] <Telroth> then "boot"
[03:10] <Telroth> _ian: both are correct
[03:10] <guest_> Telroth:  what about the patition type being listed as unknown now?
[03:11] <Telroth> _ian:  /dev/hda1 is the device, /media/hda1 is the mount point
[03:11] <Telroth> guest_: try it and see if it mounts it anyways
[03:11] <_ian> telroth how ocome the data in it wont show up?
[03:12] <guest_> from SystemRestoreCD I tried " mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /mnt/test" and I get bad superbock or wrong fstype erro
[03:13] <guest_> Telroth: ok I reboot and grub says error 17 I press "c" and nothing happens
[03:13] <guest_> even tapping
[03:13] <guest_> "c" while booting does not get past error 17
[03:14] <Telroth> guest_: not while booting
[03:14] <Telroth> guest_: while it's showing a menu
[03:14] <Telroth> hit 'c'
[03:14] <Telroth> instead of selecting linux or windows
[03:15] <guest_> Telroth: I don't get menu
[03:15] <Telroth> guest_: how do you choose which to boot normally then?
[03:16] <guest_> I get "GRUB Loading stage 1.5." a couple of blank lines and then "GRUB loading, please wait..." new line "Error 17"
[03:16] <Telroth> oh
[03:16] <Telroth> try reinstalling grub
[03:17] <guest_> Telroth: I normally get a boot menu with linux and winxp, until now when I get error 17
[03:18] <AtKaaZ> which script command asks the user to press any key to continue ?
[03:18] <phil_> AtKaaZ: you mean bash
[03:19] <Telroth> uh... it's not one command
[03:19] <AtKaaZ> AtKaaZ: yes
[03:19] <Telroth> it's several bash commands
[03:19] <AtKaaZ> phil_: yes
[03:19] <AtKaaZ> Telroth: there is no one command ?
[03:19] <slyboots> Hi
[03:20] <phil_> Aa
[03:20] <phil_> AtKaaZ: Have a look at "read"
[03:20] <AtKaaZ> phil_: thank you
[03:20] <guest_> hmm.. if I do fdisk -l /dev/hda .. hda5 shows type 83 Linux.. hmm
[03:21] <Telroth> AtKaaZ: take a look at the Read command
[03:22] <phil_> slyboots: what is your problem with install
[03:22] <AtKaaZ> Telroth: thanks ;)
[03:22] <Telroth> guest_: you need to reinstall grub i think.
[03:22] <slyboots> Well, Every time it installs.. it partitions, copies over the files, but when it reaches time to install GRUB, its all falls over
[03:23] <slyboots> And it seeps totaly convinced my Linux partition, ifr formated in something called "EFI GTP"
[03:23] <slyboots> *GPT
[03:25] <phil_> slyboots: is this a first install
[03:25] <slyboots> This is my.. 5th attempt at installing Ubunut on my desktop
[03:25] <slyboots> the install went fine on my secondary PC
[03:25] <slyboots> And Im getting just a *tad* hacked off
[03:25] <Adore> hello
[03:26] <Adore> i need help
[03:26] <Adore> i use ubuntu & i need software to can open Real files
[03:27] <Adore> What can i do please
[03:27] <Adore> i need to open real songs
[03:27] <Adore> in Linux
[03:27] <_ian> i think there is a real player for linux
[03:27] <Adore> Real & wav
[03:27] <phil_> slyboots: do you have lba enable in your bios for the drive
[03:28] <Adore> what about Wav fies
[03:28] <slyboots> Uh.. I assume so o.o
[03:28] <slyboots> I would be shocked it if was not
[03:28] <Adore> Please i want to open wave file
[03:29] <Adore> it's now working at well
[03:29] <guest_> Telroth:  hmm.. would this be grub-reinstall ?
[03:29] <Adore> just a sound
[03:29] <phil_> guys i am not irc expert how do you "redirect" ubotu msg to another user
[03:29] <Adore> without pic
[03:29] <guest_> oops.. make that grub-install
[03:30] <Adore> ok ok
[03:30] <Adore> now i too need to replace anew font
[03:30] <Adore> where can i put it to work
[03:31] <slyboots> Woops..
[03:31] <slyboots> Okay, Um.. Right
[03:31] <flake> what's a decent webpage editor
[03:31] <slyboots> Checked the bios, there is no mention of LBA, but.. well its a 200gb SATA drive so.. heck it must be enabled
[03:31] <phil_> flake: have a look at vi
[03:32] <phil_> flake: just kdding ook at quantas
[03:32] <Jondo> flake: kate or quanta
[03:32] <Jondo> phil_ type in /nick message
[03:33] <phil_> flake: kate has autocompletion
[03:33] <flake> lol.. thanks
[03:33] <phil_> Jondo: I want do redirect uboto output to another user
[03:33] <slyboots> Okay, what would cause the ubuntu install to go.. quite frankly insane
[03:34] <Jondo> phil_: like from your console?
[03:34] <phil_> slyboots: often its a code 18 that makes the install go wrong
[03:34] <slyboots> Which is..?
[03:34] <phil_> slyboots: you don't know about code 18?
[03:34] <Adore> Thanks for every thing
[03:34] <slyboots> No, cant say I do.. Thats why I asked
[03:34] <Adore> Thanks alot
[03:35] <slyboots> Let me guess "Crappy hardware" "Stupid user" something like that?
[03:35] <Adore> No body help me
[03:35] <Adore> thank you
[03:35] <phil_> slyboots: code 18 is the individaul 18 inches behind the keyboard lol!
[03:35] <Jondo> Adore what was your question?
[03:35] <Adore> i need to open wav fils please
[03:35] <slyboots> Ohh phil_ Your so witty and orignal, and totaly not a jerk
[03:35] <Adore> it's not working very well
[03:35] <Adore> sound without pic
[03:35] <phil_> slyboots: sorry
[03:36] <Jondo> Adore: What do you mean "not very well"? do you get any sound?
[03:36] <Adore> yes
[03:36] <phil_> slyboots: have you checked your bios for lba
[03:36] <Adore> just a sound
[03:36] <slyboots> There was no mention of it, I guess either it does not use it, or it cant be enabled/disabled
[03:36] <Adore> without vedio
[03:36] <Jondo> Adore: Try Audacity
[03:36] <Adore> How?
[03:36] <slyboots> Its a fairly new motherboard, and SATA controllers
[03:36] <slyboots> I dont think they need LBA..
[03:36] <Jondo> apt-get install audacity as root
[03:37] <Adore> Thanks alot Jondo
[03:37] <Adore> Thanks man
[03:37] <Jondo> no problem
[03:38] <slyboots> I mean, I've tried the defautl "Graphical" install twice, and now the text based alterative CD
[03:38] <slyboots> Both hit the same problem, grub craps out with a undefined error, And when I look at the partition table in fdisk, its just nonsence, a huge partition in something called ELP .. something
[03:38] <slyboots> ELP GTP I think
[03:38] <slyboots> Instead of two partitions of EXT3 and SWAP
[03:40] <Adore> yes
[03:40] <Adore> i get a sound
[03:40] <Adore> i am so sorry
[03:40] <Adore> it's wmv
[03:40] <Adore> not wav
[03:40] <Adore> so sorry
[03:41] <Adore> i want to open wmv files
[03:41] <geneo93> win32 codecs
[03:41] <Telroth> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:42] <Adore> Thank you for helping me M.r Telroth
[03:42] <Adore> Thanks every body
[03:42] <slyboots> Anyone any idea what could be wrong..?
[03:42] <Telroth> yw Adore
[03:42] <guest_> Telroth: hda6 was my / partition and it is where grub was,
[03:43] <guest_> I don't want to loose the hda6 data that may be there
[03:43] <Telroth> guest_: load up a livecd of some distro that uses grub
[03:43] <Telroth> install grub to a floppy
[03:43] <Telroth> boot to the floppy
[03:44] <rioux602> salut
[03:44] <Telroth> then attempt the 'c' command when it shows the list of things to boot
[03:44] <Telroth> heya rioux602
[03:44] <phil_> guest_: have a look at !ubotu grub
[03:44] <rioux602> i need a lil help
[03:44] <phil_> rioux602: just ask
[03:44] <rioux602> how can i know wich packages are installed ?
[03:45] <Adore> i need to update my Media player coz it's telling me ( You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file.You might need to install the necessary plugins.)
[03:45] <Adore> What can i do to fix this problem?
[03:46] <rioux602> there are maybe other file players you can use ?
[03:47] <D3ltaCain> hey any one here?
[03:47] <rioux602> oh i think you need to install the mp3 decoder with easyubuntu
[03:47] <rioux602> it's what i did
[03:47] <Telroth> rioux602: start->system-<adept package manager
[03:47] <rioux602> thx ! :)
[03:48] <rioux602> lol seams stupid.. i didnt explore much srry XD
[03:48] <Telroth> rioux602: uncheck everything except "installed"
[03:48] <Telroth> then wait for it to refresh
[03:50] <Telroth> rioux602: nvm, it isn't working like i expected it to
[03:50] <slyboots> sweet jesus..
[03:51] <rioux602> ok lol thanks :p
[03:51] <slyboots>  Perhaps I should not bother with Ubuntu to be honest, I mean..   Give me eletric shocks via the mouse?
[03:55] <slyboots> *Electric
[03:55] <Telroth> but you might a werid configuration
[03:55] <Eeyore_Jr> heh
[03:55] <phil_> slyboots: honestly i've tried lots of distros and it is the simplest,  have you installed grub on the MBR
[03:55] <Telroth> mandrake was also supposed to be 'easy'
[03:55] <slyboots> Grub wont install ANYWHERE
[03:55] <slyboots> Every time I try "AGH! FATAL ERROR"
[03:55] <Telroth> but it couldn't work with my soundcard, made me really angry
[03:55] <Telroth> slyboots: have you ever googled the error?
[03:55] <slyboots> It thinks the partition is some weird crap "0xeee"
[03:56] <slyboots> There is no error, just "Grub: FATAL ERROR, Can not install in hd(0,0)
[03:56] <Telroth> 99.9% chance says someone else has encountered the error
[03:56] <slyboots> I've tried Google
[03:56] <slyboots> Plenty of mentions of people having assorted issues with grub, but no actual suggestions on how to *fix* the problems
[03:57] <slyboots> amd each partition program see's my drive just a little differently
[03:57] <phil_> slyboots: do you hve a feature in your bios thats stop writing to the MBR have a look (try to turn off bios virus detection)
[03:57] <slyboots> No, Thats turned off
[03:57] <Telroth> slyboots: is that the actual error message, word for word?
[03:57] <slyboots> Yup
[03:58] <slyboots> I can install it again if you like, it wont make a damn bit of difference
[03:58] <slyboots> And as for the partitioning, gfdisk thinks I have two partiions.. which is right
[03:58] <slyboots> Gparted thinks the disk is totaly blank
[03:58] <slyboots> fdisk thinks I have one huge partition bigger than the disc itself in some freaky format I've never heard of
[03:58] <Telroth> slyboots: I know you're irritated, but i'd feel better helping you if you weren't so angry
[03:59] <Telroth> slyboots: try 'parted' as root
[03:59] <slyboots> And the Ubuntu installer thinks both o.o
[03:59] <slyboots> Give me 10 while I install the system again
[03:59] <Telroth> a live cd will work
[03:59] <phil_> slyboots: partiotn table screwed up?
[04:00] <Telroth> phil_: that seems the most likely.
[04:00] <slyboots> I've blitzed the drive
[04:00] <Telroth> completely?
[04:00] <slyboots> Twice, No sorry, 3 times
[04:00] <slyboots> Deleted all partitions, theres not much else Ic an do to it unless you have a suggestion
[04:01] <Telroth> if you have a live cd of kubuntu, load it and pull up a command prompt
[04:01] <Telroth> 'sudo parted'
[04:01] <slyboots> I do.. hold on
[04:01] <Telroth> then type print
[04:01] <slyboots> Will the rescue disc work as wel for that?
[04:01] <Telroth> I'm not entirely sure, as i've never used it.
[04:01] <Telroth> It'll probably work though
[04:02] <slyboots> Okay 2 secs
[04:02] <Telroth> as long as it has the parted utility (kubuntu should be SHOT if it doesn't)
[04:02] <slyboots> I appericate you trying to help me, and I do apolagise if I am comming off as being angry
[04:02] <Telroth> nah, it's ok slyboots
[04:02] <Telroth> i know that feeling
[04:02] <slyboots> I have been trying to get this system working for 3 days, And Im sick of getting "Oh its user error, your a idiot"
[04:02] <grothesk> Hi!
[04:02] <Telroth> hello grothesk
[04:02] <slyboots> Hi
[04:03] <Telroth> slyboots: that is one of the things i do not like about the linux community
[04:03] <grothesk> How do I turn off systemservices?
[04:03] <Telroth> slyboots: a lot of people had to learn to install it on their own and expect everyone else to do the same
[04:03] <grothesk> My kubunutu keeps startin lvm, raid-stuff and so on.
[04:03] <slyboots> Telroth: I have nothing against learning how to do something but.. Have you *read* some of the man pages around..
[04:03] <Telroth> grothesk: are they messing with yoru computer in some way that it's not functioning correctly?
[04:03] <slyboots> Its scary ;)
[04:04] <Telroth> slyboots: not really. most of the programs that i need man pages for don't have them :P
[04:04] <grothesk> Telroth: They are not necessary on that box.
[04:04] <Telroth> grothesk: yes, but are the hindering performance?
[04:04] <grothesk> Sure they do.
[04:04] <slyboots> haha, thats quite true ;) "Read the man page noob!"
[04:04] <grothesk> They slow up booting time.
 man foo | Manual page not found.
[04:05] <Telroth> grothesk: many modules will load but not detect anything, and thus simply remove themselves or idle using little if no resources on memory and no cpu resources.
[04:05] <slyboots> grothesk: I think you might have to compile your own kernel to do that.. Its not hard but its not exactly straight foward
[04:05] <Telroth> actually, no
[04:06] <Telroth> grothesk: you'd need to look into editing the module list that loads on startup
[04:06] <grothesk> But when turning the computer off, the services will be unloaded.
[04:06] <Telroth> ah
[04:06] <grothesk> Telroth: I did so. I turned off those things in RL 0 to RL 5.
[04:07] <Telroth> check /etc/rcS.d
[04:07] <Telroth> that contains static services that load regardless of runlevel
[04:07] <grothesk> Take lvm for example: I set it to 'Not loaded on startup' for EVERY RL there is. But is still will be loaded.
[04:07] <Telroth> also look into /etc/rc.local
[04:07] <grothesk> O.K. I'll have a look.
[04:08] <Telroth> grothesk: where did you make these changes, was it in a graphical editor?
[04:08] <grothesk> Telroth: In that kubunut specific Systemsettings-thingy.
[04:08] <slyboots> Okay, Telroth I went into Parted, deleted the two offending partitions.. despite the fact the drive *should* have been blank..
[04:09] <slyboots> I dont see any "Write" or "Confirm changes" option.. is there one at all?
[04:09] <Telroth> yes
[04:10] <Telroth> err, no
[04:10] <Telroth> i must be thinking of fstab
[04:10] <Telroth> err, fdisk
[04:10] <Telroth> lol
[04:10] <slyboots> Okay, Well is there a way to.. "Blast" a drive?
[04:10] <Telroth> oh, yes
[04:10] <Telroth> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda
[04:10] <Telroth> or /dev/zero
[04:10] <slyboots> Right, something is *realy* wrong here
[04:10] <Telroth> yoru choice
[04:11] <Telroth> what's wrong?
[04:11] <slyboots> I ran fdisk, it is stil seeing a partition
[04:11] <Telroth> blast it with that command for a few minutes
[04:11] <slyboots> /dev/sdb1  24419757+ blocks, ID ee, System EFI GPT
[04:11] <slyboots> Its 400gb
[04:11] <slyboots> Wont that take.. a while
[04:12] <Telroth> it simply copies random data to the harddrive :P
[04:12] <Telroth> not really
[04:12] <Telroth> the partition table is at the very beginning of the drive
[04:12] <slyboots> Okay, Running.. There is no "output" but..
[04:12] <Telroth> so just have to get past it (it's only like 512kb for master boot record+partition table
[04:12] <Telroth> there should be no output
[04:12] <slyboots> I almost typed in /dev/sda as the target.. That would have been *bad* ;)
[04:12] <Telroth> just hit crtl+c to halt it after a few minutes
[04:13] <Telroth> ah, that would have been bad
[04:13] <slyboots> okay..
[04:13] <Telroth> there's no are you sure with dd
[04:13] <Telroth> it simply copies data
[04:13] <Telroth> (great way to image a drive btw)
[04:13] <slyboots> Ah, Apple and Raspberry I should say
[04:13] <slyboots> Telroth: By writing random data to it?
[04:14] <Telroth> slyboots: no
[04:14] <Telroth> dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/backups/myimage.iso
[04:14] <Telroth> or to iso a cd
[04:14] <slyboots> I will have to remember that
[04:14] <slyboots> Okay, That should do it anyway
[04:15] <Telroth> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/cds/starcraft.iso
[04:15] <slyboots> oh yea, the disc is blitzed now
[04:15] <slyboots> Its asking for a new partition to use as a base
[04:15] <slyboots> okay, Got back to a shell
[04:15] <Telroth> :)
[04:16] <Telroth> use parted to partition
[04:16] <slyboots> . . .
[04:16] <Telroth> i don't know if it's actually better than anything else
[04:16] <slyboots> Fdisk is STILL showing up that partition
[04:16] <Telroth> but it's never done me wrong
[04:16] <Telroth> screw fdisk
[04:16] <Telroth> i recommend parted :P
[04:16] <slyboots> Okay, But I can see this going horridly wrong again..
[04:18] <slyboots> What is a "Disc Lable Type"
[04:18] <Telroth> are you in parted?
[04:18] <Telroth> it's the partition table type ;)
[04:18] <slyboots> Yea, But It thinks my "Disck Lable Type" is "GPT"
[04:18] <Telroth> ah
[04:18] <slyboots> Thats the same as that bolloxed partition fdisk keeps seeing
[04:18] <Telroth> type mklabel msdos
[04:18] <neddiW> is there a kde app that shows a volume bar like in gnome?
[04:18] <Telroth> kmix
[04:18] <slyboots> Okay, Its MSdos now
[04:19] <slyboots> :)
[04:19] <Telroth> neddiW: click the little speaker icon in your system tray
[04:19] <Telroth> just like in windows
[04:19] <slyboots> And, Intrestingly fdisk is NO longer seeing the partition
[04:19] <Telroth> hehe
[04:19] <Telroth> You'd fit right in on my network *nods*
[04:20] <slyboots> Oh?
[04:20] <Telroth> probably :P
[04:20] <slyboots> haha, What sort of network is it?
[04:20] <Telroth> anyways, how many partitions do you want on the drive?
[04:20] <Adore> How can i install Adept for ubuntu
[04:20] <Telroth> well, it's a general chat server
[04:21] <Adore> i do it from add & remove
[04:21] <Telroth> but specifically designed to be a safe haven for people who need to get away from others and be in a peaceful environment
[04:21] <slyboots> Sounds good o.
[04:21] <Adore> Could not launch menu item
[04:21] <Telroth> Adore: sudo apt-get install adept
[04:21] <Adore> Details: Failed to execute child process "kdesu" (No such file or directory)
[04:21] <Adore> Thanks
[04:21] <Telroth> Adore: do that on a command line
[04:22] <Adore> ok
[04:22] <Adore> thanks
[04:22] <Telroth> slyboots: how many partitions do you want?
[04:22] <Telroth> Adore: you're welcome
[04:22] <flake> here i sit all broken-hearted,  i came to dump but only qparted
[04:22] <Adore> in treminal
[04:22] <slyboots> Just two, Im just reading the guide and Im fairly sure what commands to use
[04:22] <Telroth> slyboots: you may have better luck with qtparted or gparted now that the partition label is fixed
[04:22] <slyboots> (Im just going to go for / and SWAP, This has been stressfull enough
[04:22] <slyboots> Oh no, Parted got me out of this mess .. I hope, So thats what Im sticking with
[04:23] <neddiW> Telroth, thanks but im talking about an on-screen display of the volume, like macs or gnome do
[04:23] <Telroth> slyboots: qtparted and gparted are only frontends to the parted backend
[04:23] <Adore> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[04:23] <slyboots> *nods* "Ah.."
[04:24] <Telroth> neddiW: if it's an external program (not integrated with the window manager or something) you can still run it
[04:24] <slyboots> "No implementation : Support for created ext3 file systems is not implemented yet"
[04:24] <Telroth> slyboots: ignore
[04:24] <Telroth> don't bother about formatting
[04:24] <Telroth> just get them sized right
[04:24] <Telroth> the kubuntu installer will format anyways
[04:24] <slyboots> Ah okay
[04:24] <sorush20> how do I access a shared folder?
[04:25] <Telroth> sorush20: where is it located?
[04:25] <Telroth> like, a shared folder from a windows computer?
[04:25] <neddiW> Telroth, i am asking if there is a program or a kde app that can do such thing :)
[04:25] <sorush20> Telroth: no its on another ubuntu computer..
[04:25] <Adore> my Adept not working
[04:25] <sorush20> I think I have it up and running I just don't know how to access it .. I set it to port 8001
[04:25] <ubuntu> !avi
[04:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:26] <Telroth> neddiW: i'm saying if it's an application that run separately from gnome, then it'll run in kde
[04:26] <Telroth> neddiW: look around http://kde-apps.org
[04:26] <Telroth> they have a lot of stuff there
[04:26] <Telroth> http://kde-look.org if you need themes and stuff :P
[04:26] <slyboots> Okay, Thats working so far, Actuly.. how big should a SWAP be? Equal to your Ram or..?
[04:26] <Telroth> if ram < 512 mb
[04:27] <Telroth> swap = ram * 2
[04:27] <Adore> My Adept says Eror Could not launch menu item
[04:27] <Adore> help me please
[04:27] <Telroth> else swap = ram
[04:27] <Telroth> if ram > 1gb
[04:27] <sorush20> Telroth: well can you help please?
[04:27] <Telroth> swap = 0 *unless you are running large programs (photoshop, etc) that are memory intensive
[04:27] <slyboots> Okay, I'll stick with 1gb of SWAP then
[04:27] <Telroth> sorush20: i'll try
[04:28] <Telroth> sorush20: do you know the ip of the computer?
[04:28] <Telroth> if so, go to konqueror and try "fish://<ip of other computer>
[04:28] <rioux602> im back :p
[04:28] <neddiW> Telroth, thanks
[04:28] <neddiW> ill take a look
[04:28] <neddiW> Telroth, Im sorry the app i mensioned IS part of gnome so i cannot use it here :)
[04:28] <neddiW> Telroth, ill look @ kde-apps
[04:28] <slyboots> Okay, Thats the partitioning setup, Now to re-run the installed..
[04:28] <slyboots> Then go to bed :D
[04:31] <Telroth> neddiW: what's the app called?
[04:31] <slyboots> Telroth: Sorry again, but.. Should I set the "/" partition as Bootable? (This is not the drive the bios will look at
[04:31] <Telroth> i'd recommend it
[04:32] <Telroth> it may help if a problem arises
[04:32] <slyboots> Huh, I cant send private messages *chuckles*
[04:32] <Telroth> but it's not criticle
[04:32] <Telroth> *critical
[04:32] <Telroth> oh
[04:32] <Telroth> darn :P
[04:32] <slyboots> Have to register.. I will do that in a moment :D
[04:32] <rioux602> humm someone can help me installing samba ?
[04:33] <slyboots> Ah.. this name is already taken.. hmm..
[04:33] <sorush20> Telroth: the ip is the ip assigned by my dhcp client on my router..
[04:33] <Slychocobo> There we go
[04:33] <Telroth> sorush20: do you have access to the other computer?
[04:34] <Telroth> if so, type "ifconfig"
[04:34] <sorush20> Telroth: yes I do
[04:34] <neddiW> umm it comes bundled with gnome [Ubuntu]  maybe Volume Manager
[04:34] <Telroth> look for a line that's like "inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>"
[04:34] <Telroth> in the eth0 device
[04:34] <Telroth> or whatever device it's using for internet (*not* "lo")
[04:35] <neddiW> Telroth, its a little bar that shows the volume in the middle of the screen
[04:35] <sorush20> Telroth: okay i have the ip addrss
[04:35] <Telroth> neddiW: it's likely an external application.
[04:36] <Telroth> if you can find the executable, you can simply run it
[04:36] <Ashex> anyone else have the problem with superkaramba suddenly losing all the applets?
[04:36] <neddiW> Telroth, oh ok
[04:36] <Telroth> if you load ubuntu, type "ps aux" and then look for a program that's likely it
[04:37] <Telroth> Ashex: i haven't used it in a while, but i can't recall it ever doing that to me. sorry i can't be of help.
[04:37] <rioux602> Telroth ?
[04:37] <Telroth> sorush20: [21:33:07]  <Telroth> if so, go to konqueror and try "fish://<ip of other computer>
[04:37] <flaccid> how can i do an equiv of rpm --what-provides
[04:37] <Telroth> rioux602: yes?
[04:37] <rioux602> you can help me trying to install samba ?
[04:37] <flaccid> i mean rpm -ql or i think its -ql
[04:37] <flaccid> -qf
[04:37] <Ashex> hmm
[04:38] <Telroth> flaccid: try "apt-get install <package>"
[04:38] <Slychocobo> rioux602:  You might be best fetching a Samba Howto from the Ubuntu forums
[04:38] <Telroth> it'll either install it, or list packages that provide it
[04:38] <driz> i just installed picasa from google and i dont see anywhere in the Kmenu
[04:38] <Ashex> I'm trying to reinstall it with a sudo apt-get --reinstall, but it wants to remove kde and kdeutils with it
[04:38] <Slychocobo> Im sure that could help you much more with getting you started than we could
[04:38] <Telroth> driz: look in utilities
[04:38] <oisacx> Hi
[04:38] <driz> Telroth: nothing
[04:38] <phil_> oisacx: helloooo
[04:39] <neddiW> in one kubuntu right now so i cant tell :S
[04:39] <neddiW> Telroth, many thanks! :)
[04:39] <flaccid> Telroth: sorry i want to see a list of files that an installed package owns
[04:39] <Ashex> er, I meant to say that --reinstall doesn't work since superkaramba isn't in my repos for some reason. And when i do an apt-get remove, it tries to take out kde and kdeutils  with it
[04:39] <sorush20> Telroth: I'm not getting anything come up ..
[04:39] <oisacx> anyone knows hoe to get the two flashing computers for the network monitoring in KDE?
[04:39] <phil_> Ashex: don't llok for superkaramba just use karamba
[04:39] <Telroth> oisacx: yes, give me a moment, i have like 5 people asking me something :P
[04:39] <oisacx> cool ok
[04:39] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: you there?
[04:40] <phil_> oisacx: and and applet to the taskbar
[04:40] <Telroth> oisacx: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=13972
[04:40] <Telroth> try that
[04:40] <Telroth> knetworkled
[04:40] <Telroth> it's just like the windows one
[04:40] <phil_> oisacx: rigthclick on task bar and have a look at the menues
[04:41] <ccherrett> does kubuntu come with mplayer? How does it deal with video?
[04:41] <Slychocobo> ccherrett: Mplayer does not come pre-installed, but it is easy to add with the built-in package manager
[04:41] <ccherrett> so apt-get install mplayer?
[04:41] <Telroth> ccherrett: kubuntu uses xine+kaffeine
[04:41] <Slychocobo> Yup
[04:42] <Telroth> yes ccherrett
[04:42] <ccherrett> I am looking ot move someone from windows to linux and can't decide what distro to use
[04:42] <phil_> ccherrett: kubuntu!
[04:42] <ccherrett> how uptodate is kubuntu
[04:42] <Slychocobo> ccherrett: Ubuntu seems to be the option of choice for linux newfolk
[04:42] <phil_> ccherrett: autoupdate?
[04:42] <Slychocobo> Um.. "Very"?
[04:43] <Telroth> ccherrett: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" as root
[04:43] <ccherrett> cool
[04:43] <_mathieu> hello
[04:43] <Slychocobo> Hi mathieu
[04:43] <_mathieu> I need help with ntfs writing
[04:43] <Telroth> ccherrett: i'd start with kubuntu or knoppix
[04:43] <Telroth> kubuntu is #1 atm
[04:43] <Telroth> (on my list anyways)
[04:43] <_mathieu> for some reasons it always worked before (debian)
[04:43] <Slychocobo> _mathieu: It is my understanding that NTFS writing is still expermental..
[04:44] <Slychocobo> So.. I wouldnt
[04:44] <_mathieu> yea but i never had problems
[04:44] <Telroth> _mathieu: apt-get install ntfstools
[04:44] <_mathieu> Telroth: yea ok and then?
[04:44] <Slychocobo> Or you.. What Telroth said
[04:44] <ccherrett> I use to delete my media cds from urpmi in Mandriva and set my mirrors so that I got up to date packages does kubuntu work simillarily
[04:44] <Telroth> _mathieu: edit your fstab file and make sure you're using "fuse-ntfs" as the fstype for the ntfs partitions
[04:45] <_mathieu> Telroth: it tells me it wasnt shut down properly
[04:45] <Telroth> ccherrett: kubuntu uses debian's apt-get
[04:45] <flaccid> how can i use dpkg to list the contents of an installed package
[04:45] <_mathieu> its a USB HD, windows isnt installed on it
[04:45] <Telroth> flaccid: is it an already-installed package or a .deb file?
[04:45] <Telroth> _mathieu: i'd recommend finding a windows computer and booting with the drive connected so that windows fixes the problems
[04:46] <ccherrett> Telroth: how many disks do I need to download?
[04:46] <Slychocobo> ccherrett: 1
[04:46] <Telroth> ccherrett: to install kubuntu?
[04:46] <Telroth> 1 cd or 1 dvd
[04:46] <ccherrett> yes
[04:46] <_mathieu> Telroth: and it will wor even if windows isnt installed on the disk?
[04:46] <Slychocobo> A Live CD which includes a demo version you can play around with and install to your hard-drive
[04:46] <Telroth> after install you don't need the cds
[04:46] <Slychocobo> Or a Text based one which just does the install
[04:46] <ccherrett> I thought that is what I saw but it seemed wrong considering fedora is 5
[04:46] <flaccid> Telroth: already installed. wanting to see what it provides
[04:46] <Telroth> kubuntu doesn't use them for install programs
[04:46] <flaccid> provided rather
[04:47] <Telroth> flaccid: give me a moment
[04:47] <Slychocobo> ccherrett: You get packages from the internet as you need them, the CD comes with everything you need to get going
[04:48] <flaccid> thanks Telroth, i couldn't find it
[04:49] <_mathieu> Telroth: thanks for the help. i think ill just try booting knoppix on the machine :S
[04:49] <Telroth> flaccid: have you installed it recently?
[04:49] <_mathieu> (easier than finding windows lol)
[04:49] <Telroth> (via apt-get)
[04:49] <ccherrett> anyone know a fast donload mirror?
[04:49] <flaccid> yep
[04:50] <Telroth> ccherrett: the default ones are quite speedy
[04:50] <Telroth> oh
[04:50] <Telroth> for the cds
[04:50] <Slychocobo> ccherrett: Just select one close to your location, they are normaly quite fast
[04:50] <ccherrett> yes
[04:50] <ccherrett> 90kbs
[04:50] <Telroth> if you need real speed, use bittorrent if you know how to use it
[04:50] <mshade> i grabbed kubuntu at almost 2MB/s but i don't recall which mirror
[04:50] <mshade> i've never seen that speed from bittorrent :-D
[04:51] <Telroth> though i don't really have time right now to help you set up bittorrent if you don't already know how
[04:51] <Telroth> mshade: depends on the torrent
[04:51] <Telroth> and client
[04:51] <Telroth> azeurus pulls well over 5MB/sec
[04:52] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: I am now
[04:52] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: hey man hows it going?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Good good, just relaxing and watching some tv
[04:52] <ccherrett> mistik1 told me you were here
[04:53] <Hawkwind> Yep, I'm always here now :)
[04:53] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: I am just going to install kubuntu for a friend
[04:53] <Zamboulie> there are no linux drivers for an audigy 2????!??!!?!?
[04:53] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: are you building packages?
[04:53] <starhawk> hi all
[04:53] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: Yeppers.  http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html
[04:53] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: Mainly E17 at the moment
[04:54] <starhawk> I am tring to install wine any help
[04:54] <Hawkwind> starhawk: Have you tried in #WineHQ where the experts are ?
[04:55] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: are you in mandriva anymore? I did not see you there?
[04:55] <Zamboulie> are there any 3rd party linux drivers for my audigy 2?
[04:55] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: LOL nope.  I don't use the distro, nor am I an op there either
[04:55] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: I stepped down June 1st when I made a complete switch to Kubuntu
[04:58] <flaccid> i require darkice to be compiled with lame. unfortunately the default package from the source is not compiled with lame. is there another package or thing i can do to avoid compiling it?
[04:59] <jake1> !chroot
[04:59] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:00] <rcmn> a
[05:00] <driz> hey guys how do i send a file in Kopete
[05:00] <driz> ?
[05:01] <mshade> driz - it's convoluted
[05:01] <driz> meaning>
[05:01] <driz> ?
[05:01] <mshade> hold on, lemme open it up
[05:01] <driz> ok
[05:02] <mshade> chat > contacts > *contact name* > send file
[05:02] <mshade> the menu in the conversation window
[05:02] <driz> the send file icon is grey
[05:02] <driz> can't click on it
[05:03] <mshade> hmm, not sure why
[05:03] <mshade> is the other person still online?
[05:03] <driz> ya
[05:03] <rcmn> what network ?
[05:03] <driz> AIM
[05:03] <mshade> it may do NAT-detection or something
[05:03] <rcmn> yuck i don'tknow then
[05:03] <driz> AIM on Kopete
[05:04] <driz>  NAT-detection?
[05:04] <rcmn> i have evrything but aim sorry can't check
[05:04] <driz> oh ok
[05:06] <Zamboulie> quick question
[05:06] <Eleaf> ah
[05:07] <Zamboulie> i downloaded teamspeak server and i want to know how do i run the server
[05:07] <Zamboulie> whats the command for an executable
[05:07] <rcmn> ./teamspeak
[05:08] <rcmn> attend je regarde chez moi
[05:09] <Zamboulie> its the teamspeak server
[05:09] <Zamboulie> i try to cd into it then run it and it says permission denied
[05:09] <Darkkish> i just installed tightvnc
[05:09] <pestilence> in breezy, my touchpad would scroll when i dragged down the right side of it...in dapper it no longer does this.  how do i get this back?
[05:09] <Eleaf> is it tight Darkkish ?
[05:09] <Darkkish> and i can't figure out where it installed to
[05:10] <Darkkish> >.<
[05:10] <skavenge> dpkg -L packagename will tell you where everythign went
[05:10] <Darkkish> thanks
[05:11] <rcmn> it's teamspeak_server
[05:11] <Darkkish> what?
[05:11] <Darkkish> no its tightvncserver
[05:11] <mshade> Darkkish, kde has its own vnc server by the way
[05:11] <Darkkish> yeah but tightvnc rocks
[05:11] <Darkkish> i'll show you why later
[05:11] <rcmn> darkkish not talking to u
[05:12] <mshade> Darkkish, yeah but tightvnc won't run on your current session :)
[05:12] <Darkkish> rcmn, it was what i needed too :p
[05:12] <Darkkish> er
[05:12] <Darkkish> oh nvm >.<
[05:12] <rcmn> ] -|
[05:14] <phil_> ironfroggy: speak french
[05:14] <rcmn> hey zamboulie did u make it ?
[05:14] <rcmn> ouai
[05:15] <Zamboulie> no
[05:15] <Zamboulie> how do i do that
[05:15] <ironfroggy> say what?
[05:16] <Zamboulie> like make ./server_linux?
[05:16] <rcmn> are u trying from local drive ?
[05:16] <Zamboulie> yes
[05:16] <Zamboulie> http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=tutorial_b
[05:16] <Zamboulie> the commands are different
[05:16] <rcmn> try sudo ./server_linux
[05:17] <Zamboulie> and i dont know if you have to make another account just to run it
[05:17] <Zamboulie> i think i can do it on my regular user
[05:17] <rcmn> u should
[05:17] <rcmn> don;t run at root
[05:17] <rcmn> just for testing
[05:18] <rcmn> yep creat the user
[05:18] <rcmn> where does it fail ?
[05:19] <rcmn> ./teamspeak2_server_startscript start
[05:19] <Zamboulie> thats not the filename though
[05:19] <Zamboulie> i accidently got the beta
[05:19] <Zamboulie> i'll do this tomorrow
[05:19] <rcmn> u have to give teamspeak the right to execute it
[05:19] <Zamboulie> i'm supposed to be in bed
[05:20] <Zamboulie> ok
[05:20] <Zamboulie> well i'm out for the night
[05:20] <Zamboulie> bye
[05:20] <rcmn> bye
[05:24] <oisacx> Thanks for the tip for knetworkled, I've tried it, but I got message about missing packages... I searched the net and found about knemo, and it seems to be working nice now.
[05:25] <jake1> uh oh!! i need help
[05:25] <oisacx> go for itjake
[05:25] <jake1> i just followed all the directions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and i got as far asSetting up your chroot with debootstrap
[05:26] <jake1> and now i'm lost
[05:26] <stahnma> can anyone help me configure xorg for dual monitors?
[05:26] <stahnma> I have done it many times before, but am having problems on kubuntu
[05:26] <rioux602> hello
[05:26] <jake1> sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 dapper /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:26] <jake1>  --arch i386
[05:27] <jake1> but it says "no such script --arch"
[05:27] <rioux602> Someone can help me configuring a network printer ?
[05:27] <ironfroggy> any suggest how i can set up hostnames on a local network with changing IPs?
[05:27] <jake1> riouz602: TCP/IP or something elese
[05:27] <jake1> else*
[05:28] <jake1> i just did my first today without any problems
[05:28] <ironfroggy> my router keeps changing my boxes' IPs
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas just set static ips for my local lan machines.
[05:29] <rcmn> me too
[05:29] <jake1> probably cuz you are leasing your IP
[05:29] <oisacx> can't help you on this one
[05:29] <rcmn> just set that on ur router
[05:29] <rcmn> what router do u have ?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> actually my router also seems to rember which machine got what ip - when using dhcp. and tends to give them the same ip back
[05:29] <begleysm> Mortice: Thanks for the compile... got through the instructions but still couldnt get it to work... then I remembered I had a wireless card installed too.  I disabled the wired NIC and enabled the wireless and it worked instantly hehe... guess I'll just use wireless for kubuntu :)
[05:30] <mshade> !vmware
[05:30] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[05:33] <jake1> anyone have any ideas what i did wrong
[05:35] <ironfroggy_> ugh stupid router. anyway, again, how do i configure static IPs and does it require anything configured on my router?
[05:35] <jake1> has anyone going chroot working???????
[05:35] <jake1> got*
[05:36] <jake1> ironfroggy_ there should be something about leasing
[05:36] <rcmn> foggy what is ur router
[05:36] <jake1> change it to forever
[05:42] <Darkkish> still havn
[05:42] <Darkkish> have not figured out how to open it
[05:43] <Darkkish> vnc
[05:43] <sorush20> vnc?
[05:43] <Darkkish> tight vnc
[05:44] <sorush20> can anyone help me with sharing files/folders with two kubuntu machines.. I'm assuming I need nfs , then right click non the files and the folder to share then edit the sharing..
[05:44] <sorush20> now how do I access the file and folder from the other computer aka remote location..
[05:45] <sorush20> and how do I make sure there is an nfs server now running, does there need to be one running?
[05:45] <mshade> sorush20, you can use scp, if you have ssh enabled
[05:45] <Darkkish> k i have a feeling it didn't install
[05:45] <Darkkish> at all
[05:45] <sorush20> mshade:
[05:45] <sorush20> mshade: why would I prefer that ?
[05:45] <mshade> try konqueror<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:46] <mshade> sorush20, just a simple no-setup solution
[05:46] <jake1> ok can someone assist me in getting chroot to work
[05:46] <jake1> the websites instructions suxk ass
[05:46] <jake1> suck*
[05:47] <Hawkwind> !nfs
[05:47] <jake1> they are not helping at all
[05:47] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[05:47] <flaccid> i need to force install a package w/ dpkg
[05:47] <flaccid> what switch should i use
[05:48] <sorush20> Hawkwind: this how to is not using the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo, gui that comes with kde to setup file sharing..
[05:48] <Hawkwind> flaccid: You could try dpkg --force-help
[05:49] <Hawkwind> sorush20: You don't need some silly GUI
[05:49] <flaccid> thanks
[05:49] <flaccid> --ignore-depends worked
[05:50] <Hawkwind> sorush20: You edit the /etc/exports file on the box that has the stuff you want to view.  Mount it on the box you are on and then go to that directory. No GUI needed
[05:50] <ironfroggy_> my router has no "forever" setting for leases
[05:50] <ironfroggy_> it has a number of minutes
[05:50] <ironfroggy_> 0 stands in for 1 day
[05:50] <Hawkwind> You don't need to set anything on your router for internal static
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Atleast I don't
[05:51] <ironfroggy_> how would i set this up for a wireless interface?
[05:52] <ironfroggy_> because i dont want to have a static IP for all networks, just mine.
[05:52] <sorush20> Hawkwind: what is the point of all this then?
[05:52] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22696.
[05:53] <Hawkwind> sorush20: I guess to setup NFS.  But editing one single file, restarting NFS, mounting the directory of your choice is pretty darn simple IMO.  I don't need some GUI app to do that for me when it takes less than 2 minutes
[05:54] <rioux602> How can I edit the smb.conf... it tells me i cant save the file.. like if it's being used.. but i closed samba
[05:54] <sorush20> do I really have to mount?
[05:54] <jake1>  when i am in a building that i know has wireless and i scan for the network how come it doesn't show up
[05:54] <sorush20> will konqueror mount if for me?
[05:54] <TheHighChild> rioux602: You editing as root?
[05:54] <rioux602> yeah
[05:54] <jake1> is there some weird network configuration thing i need to do?
[05:54] <ironfroggy_> instead of static IPs, can i just do something so that each box can lookup the IP of the others by hostname?
[05:55] <ironfroggy_> run a local DNS i guess?
[05:55] <introp> jake1: does the network require a security key to log in (it may have its broadcast disabled, and you need to key to see it)?
[05:55] <Hawkwind> sorush20: You have to mount it to view it.  Without mounting it you can't view anything
[05:55] <jake1> introp: no it shows up on other computers when i scan though
[05:56] <jake1> the scanning does not work no matter where i am
[05:56] <rioux602> TheHighChild: yes
[05:56] <jake1> it does pick up routers though that i am connected to
[05:56] <jake1> well that i have configured in my network settings
[05:56] <TheHighChild> rioux602: Sorry man, that was my only suggestion. Just wanted to make sure. Sorry I have to go
[05:56] <jake1> if i type in 'any' as the ssid in network settings would that do it?
[05:56] <rioux602> ok thanks anyways
[05:57] <introp> jake1: I've not had that problem with the Wireless Assistant.
[05:58] <jake1> i'm using swscanner
[05:58] <jake1> wireless assistant doesn't even work for me
[05:58] <jake1> for some odd reason
[05:58] <jake1> it always quits on me
[05:58] <jake1> when it opens up
[05:59] <sorush20> what is the syntax for mounting..
[05:59] <rioux602> Someone can tell me how to edit SMB.CONF  ?
[05:59] <introp> jake1: I've had one machine that had trouble with the wireless assistant, but I set it up under System Settings (Network), specifying the SSID, WEP key, etc., and it worked.  I think this problem is beyond me.  Sorry.
[05:59] <mshade> jake1, what kind of wireless card?
[06:00] <sorush20> I got it..
[06:01] <jake1> Lucent Technologies
[06:01] <jake1> Silver
[06:01] <jake1> i tried a bunch of cards
[06:01] <flaccid> how can i work out which /dev/device my soundcard/alsa is using?
[06:01] <jake1> and it doesn't work no matter what
[06:01] <introp> rioux602: 'sudo -e smb.conf' or 'sudo vi smb.conf' .. whatever your favorite editor is.
[06:01] <rioux602> ok thx
[06:01] <jake1> i haven't changed my ssid at all in network settings...... i was thinking of changing it to 'any'
[06:01] <jake1> cuz i thought that might work
[06:03] <sorush20> that nfs wiki on ubunt is not for beginners..
[06:03] <sorush20> do I need to setup nis?
[06:03] <rioux602> humhum... my password doesn't work anymore O.o
[06:03] <Darkkish> how do i install an RPM?
[06:03] <ironfroggy> ok can anyone point me towards material about getting local hostnames resolved dynamically?
[06:04] <introp> ironfroggy: do you need them to resolve everywhere, or is manually mapping them to static IPs sufficient?
[06:05] <rioux602> i changed my "user_name" for "root" and my password doesn't work anymore... what can i do ?
[06:05] <ironfroggy> the problem is that the IPs change, so i cant map them manually.
[06:06] <introp> One word: bind -- I've not had to set it up in ages, though.
[06:06] <rioux602> how can i find my pass :(
[06:07] <mshade> rioux602, what did u do exactly?
[06:07] <rioux602> i went in the user panel
[06:08] <rioux602> and i changed my username for "root"
[06:08] <mshade> you mean, you renamed your user to root?
[06:08] <rioux602> yep
[06:08] <mshade> :S
[06:08] <mshade> ok
[06:08] <mshade> uh...
[06:08] <mshade> open a terminal
[06:08] <rioux602> done :)
[06:09] <mshade> whoami
[06:09] <rioux602> root
[06:09] <mshade> gahh
[06:09] <mshade> ok
[06:09] <mshade> su - yourusername
[06:09] <rioux602> su - root ?
[06:10] <rioux602> ?
[06:10] <mshade> no
[06:10] <mshade> su - youroldusername
[06:11] <rioux602> unidentified user
[06:11] <mshade> heh
[06:11] <mshade> ok
[06:11] <mshade> you need to edit /etc/passwd and you will probably find two entries for root
[06:11] <mshade> change the second one back to your old username
[06:11] <mshade> then logout and log back in as your old username
[06:11] <rioux602> ok
[06:11] <mshade> that should fix ya
[06:11] <rioux602> let's see
[06:13] <sorush20> okay.. no I'm stuck sudo mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/home /home/nfs
[06:13] <sorush20> its dosen't work
[06:13] <rioux602> access denied
[06:14] <rioux602> can't set me to"read and write"
[06:14] <rioux602> I can only read
[06:14] <mshade> use sudo
[06:15] <mshade> sudo kate /etc/passwd
[06:15] <rioux602> ok
[06:15] <mshade> or sudo nano /etc/passwd etc
[06:16] <rioux602> sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
[06:17] <josef> hai everybody
[06:17] <introp> Would usermod let you change your own login without having to sudo?
[06:17] <mshade> introp, i don't know.
[06:17] <josef> does everbody know a program that comvert mp3 to ogg vobis
[06:17] <introp> rioux602: type 'id -u'
[06:18] <mshade> rioux602, unfortunately, i'm a slackware guy -- i dont' know how ubuntu has its sudo stuff set up well enought to help much further.  what you need to do is change your name back to your username in /etc/passwd though
[06:19] <rioux602> 1000
[06:19] <josef> does everbody know a program that convert mp3 to ogg vobis
[06:19] <introp> rioux602: Okay.  Now try 'sudo -u 1000 kate /etc/passwd' -- it may be that two 'root' usernames are confusing it, so we're using your UID.
[06:19] <introp> doh
[06:19] <introp> nevermind.  Smack me.
[06:19] <mshade> josef, i would use mencoder
[06:20] <rioux602> sudo: no passwd entry for 1000!
[06:20] <mshade> heh
[06:20] <introp> Time to go to sleep.  Brain not worky.
[06:20] <mshade> wow
[06:20] <josef> mshade  mencoder thanks i have to try it
[06:20] <mshade> josef, keep in mind though -- it's never good to convert between lossy formats
[06:20] <rioux602> i think i better... smash it over the wall and return on windows.. :'(
[06:20] <ccherrett> I am getting device I/O erros on hda messages when trying my first install of kubuntu. Any ideas?
[06:21] <sorush20> could someone help please?
[06:22] <mshade> rioux602, we might try booting you into recovery mode
[06:22] <mshade> you need a root shell to edit /etc/passwd
[06:22] <rioux602> ok so i reboot in recovery ?
[06:23] <rioux602> brb
[06:25] <ccherrett> anyone have I/O errors on install?
[06:26] <mshade> ccc, only when i have a bad hard drive
[06:26] <mshade> or cDrom
[06:26] <mshade> or CD
[06:26] <ccherrett> mshade: I have tried multiple CDROMS
[06:26] <mshade> multiple drives or CDs?
[06:26] <ccherrett> in windows there was BSoD everywhere
[06:27] <ccherrett> multiple CD drives
[06:27] <mshade> could be your hard drive controller going bad
[06:27] <ccherrett> is that internal to the drive?
[06:27] <ccherrett> anyway to test it?
[06:27] <neddiW> does anyone know if this is available for Kubuntu 6.06? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=volume.png
[06:27] <hivemind> Anyone know how I can activate the international keyboard? I need to type accents for french.
[06:28] <mshade> ccherrett, i meant your IDE host adaptor.  controller is an ambiguous term.
[06:28] <hivemind> With dead keys, and whatnot
[06:28] <mshade> it's ony our motherboard
[06:28] <Hawkwind> neddiW: No.  That's only in Edgy
[06:28] <ccherrett> mshade: that would suck
[06:28] <ccherrett> could it be bad sectors on the drive?
[06:28] <mshade> ccherrett, not likely
[06:28] <mshade> drives know how to route around those now
[06:29] <neddiW> Hawkwind, ok thanx :) let's wait for Edgy then lol
[06:31] <neddiW> Hawkwind, is there something like it for Dapper? kubuntu
[06:32] <Hawkwind> neddiW: AFAIK no there isn't
[06:33] <ironfroggy> what could i look at if videos play at very low framerates at fullscreen?
[06:33] <neddiW> Hawkwind, ok thanks!
[06:35] <Adore> hello
[06:35] <Adore> i need help please
[06:35] <Adore> i want to open this files   wmv
[06:35] <Adore> What program i will install?
[06:36] <stealg> how can i enter in super user in kubuntu i cant know the password
[06:36] <ironfroggy> stealg: use sudo to run individual commands
[06:36] <stealg> tnks
[06:37] <jedi__> how do i switch channels
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Behave yourself while I'm away.  I'm heading to bed :P
[06:40] <Jucato> aw...
[06:40] <Jucato> any news from abattoir?
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Nope not tonight
[06:40] <Jucato> ah ok...
[06:41] <Adore> i asked for help
[06:41] <digivore> Transparency usually takes up alot of system resources right?
[06:41] <Jucato> good night Hawkwind! :)
[06:41] <Adore> i want to poen this media files   wmv.
[06:42] <Adore> which program i will install?
[06:42] <Jucato> digivore: depends, if you mean transparency using composite managers
[06:42] <Adore> help me please
[06:42] <Jucato> Adore: you need the w32codecs
[06:42] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[06:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:42] <Adore> Really!!!!
[06:42] <Jucato> follow the instructions in that RestrictedFormats page
[06:42] <josef> hai jucato
[06:42] <Jucato> unless you're on a 64-bit system?
[06:42] <Jucato> hi josef!
[06:42] <CVirus> Adore: for gosh's sakes ... read all this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:43] <Jucato> rawr
[06:43] <Jucato> :)
[06:43] <Adore> Thanks
[06:43] <josef> jucato I manage to install theora thru the adep installer without installing manually
[06:44] <Jucato> ogg theora?
[06:44] <CVirus> gtg
[06:44] <josef> jucato not ogg but the for the wmv
[06:44] <Jucato> oh?
[06:44] <Jucato> ah you used the PLF repositories, perhaps
[06:45] <Adore> i downloading the file
[06:45] <josef> jucato its already made i think for kubuntu.
[06:45] <calcmandan> hello folks
[06:45] <Jucato> it's an unofficial repository, btw
[06:45] <Adore> it's  w32codecs
[06:45] <Adore> when it will be on desktop
[06:45] <Adore> What can i do after that?
[06:45] <josef> jucato but something else i want to convert mp3 to ogg what is the name of the program...
[06:45] <Jucato> Adore: ok, then just right-click on that .deb file then select "Kubuntu Package Menu" then "Install Package"
[06:46] <Jucato> mp32ogg, I think
[06:46] <Adore> Thanks
[06:46] <josef> jucato its the name mp32ogg right
[06:47] <Jucato> that's what I said... but I'm not sure :)
[06:47] <josef> jucato ok then how about DVD to convert to mpeg is there a program too or not sorry for asking to much
[06:48] <Jucato> josef: that I don't know. I don't have a DVD-ROM so I haven't checked that one out
[06:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> josef, there is a program, i can't think of it off the top of my head though
[06:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> check out mplayer and xine
[06:48] <josef> jucato ok thanks
[06:48] <Telroth_Plushie|> i think they have cli paramaters for converting
[06:49] <calcmandan> just a question, i'm just really curious.  there is an antivirus suite for linux, among all other os's, called f-prot.  now, is this really necessary?  please tell me it's not.
[06:49] <josef> telroth ok i check it out the xine and mplayer thanks
[06:49] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, that is both yes and no
[06:49] <Telroth_Plushie|> my sister can use av and a firewall and get a virus
[06:50] <Jucato> calcmandan: not really necessary, but it wouldn't hurt having one either, but probably more for scanning e-mail attachments than for yourself
[06:50] <calcmandan> telroth thank you.  um, i'm aware that there are viruses in emails it is a good idea to scan for in case you reply to people in windows...
[06:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> i've run windows without firewalls or antivirus for two years
[06:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> in short, it depends on how you do stuff as a user
[06:50] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: how ever did you survive? :)
[06:50] <Jucato> j/k
[06:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, i just did, never got a virus
[06:50] <calcmandan> telroth but there can't be very many viruses written for linux that is really much of a concern is there?  my thought has been that linux is safe from general worry.
[06:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> my habits online were simply clean
[06:51] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: same here. until my sister used my PC....
[06:51] <josef> I didnt use AV  on my windows important is you know where the email came from...
[06:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, it's not viruses that you need to worry about
[06:51] <Jucato> months of hard work keeping my PC immaculately clean... down the drain
[06:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> there's much nastier things called rootkits
[06:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> they are for the most part more rare
[06:51] <calcmandan> right, i'm aware about rootkits.  but are there rootkits really written for linux that doesn't require a root password?
[06:52] <Jucato> josef: but that's not 100% accurate. If someone you know forwarded you an attachment that was infected...
[06:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> uh, the whole point of a rootkit is that it doesn't need a password
[06:52] <Jucato> :)
[06:52] <ccherrett> mshade: I installed a new drive and the install proceeded
[06:52] <calcmandan> i thought it did, at least for linux.
[06:52] <calcmandan> or *nix
[06:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> it gets around the root password so the hacker can access the system
[06:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> the point of a rootkit is to allow easy reentry for a hacker after he's gotten in a system
[06:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> they also wipe logs in an effort to make them undetectable
[06:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> some even patch into the kernel and remove their files from directory listings
[06:53] <josef> jucato yes its thru... but you can recognize on the hidden extension like file.doc.exe
[06:53] <ccherrett> the desktop iso is also the install cd or just a live cd?
[06:54] <josef> jucato yes its true... but you can recognize on the hidden extension like file.doc.exe sorry
[06:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> for the most part, it's just knowing what you system should be doing or shouldn't be doing
[06:54] <Jucato> ccherrett: Desktop CD/ISO is a Live CD + a graphical installer
[06:54] <ccherrett> Jucato: can I use it to do a full install?
[06:54] <calcmandan> i understand how the kernel is affected by rootkits, and how they are relatively impossible to detect in windows at least.  is this something to be threatened about in linux?
[06:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, yes.
[06:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> for example, when I started finding "find /" running from my "nobody" account, i figured it was about time to reinstall linux
[06:55] <Jucato> ccherrett: yep
[06:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, rootkits are actually associated more with *nix than they are windows
[06:55] <ccherrett> so the install icon on the desktop will do the install?
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> yes ccherrett
[06:56] <Jucato> ccherrett: yes
[06:56] <ccherrett> this has gotten too easy
[06:56] <Jucato> :)
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> :)
[06:56] <ccherrett> wow
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> i think mine installed in about 10 minutes
[06:56] <ccherrett> so much for redhat 7.3
[06:56] <Jucato> ccherrett: word of warning: it won't give you an option where to install GRUB
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, that's one thing i found cool
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> it didn't overwrite my current grub install
[06:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> it just added itself
[06:56] <ccherrett> I just need mbr
[06:57] <ccherrett> where does it install to
[06:57] <Jucato> actually it just overwrites whatever is on MBR
[06:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> mine wasn't overwritten o.o
[06:57] <Jucato> but it does a good job of detecting other OS's though
[06:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> unless it went through my old menu.lst and pulled the entries (i had customized names that it is still using)
[06:58] <ccherrett> cool
[06:58] <Jucato> hm... it probably did.
[06:58] <Jucato> it's not something a beginner/regular user would worry about, though. that's probably why they did it that way
[06:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, the answer to your question is rootkits are as much of a worry as viruses are on windows. However, good security practices (don't load ssh on start, don't have passwordless accounts, disable root, etc) will keep the hackers at bay
[06:59] <Jucato> something like "for more options, use the Alternate Install CD"
[06:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> right
[06:59] <Jucato> at least you won't have to worry about root accounts in Kubuntu :)
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> why not?
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's there
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo password root
[07:00] <Jucato> it's disabled by default
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> hacker does that and root is unlocked
[07:00] <Jucato> unless you do that
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> then he just uses root
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> because he knows you don't, you always sudo
[07:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> he knows you'll never check that it's still locked when you sudo
[07:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> night all
[07:01] <Jucato> heh night!
[07:03] <Jucato> wow, there's a GTK/GNOME app named dkop, while there's a KDE technology called dcop :)
[07:08] <nidal> hi all ! Is there any way to restrict the cpu usage by a specific user in linux ?
[07:08] <Adore_> i need help please
[07:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> there is, but i'm not the one to ask about specifics
[07:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> yes Adore?
[07:08] <Adore_> i download the source folder
[07:09] <Jucato> source folder for?
[07:09] <Adore_> and i don't know how can i install it
[07:09] <Adore_> there are two folders
[07:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> names?
[07:09] <Adore_> wiat please
[07:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'm trying too :/
[07:09] <Jucato> Adore_: source folder for what?
[07:09] <Adore_> w32codecs_20060611.orig.tar.gz
[07:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> all these people keep asking for help, and i can't say no :P
[07:09] <Jucato> Adore_: not that
[07:09] <Adore_> w32codecs_20060611-1plf1.diff.gz
[07:09] <crimsun> nidal: sure. PAM's limits.conf or bash's ulimit.
[07:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh, Adore apt-get install w32codecs didn't work ?
[07:09] <crimsun> and/or, rather
[07:10] <Jucato> Adore_: the instructions specifically said: w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[07:10] <Adore_> i don't try yet
[07:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> try with apt-get first
[07:10] <Adore_> ok
[07:10] <Adore_> thanks M.r
[07:10] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|:  apt-get?
[07:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's the simplest and has the least likelyhood of breaking your system
[07:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, the package manager
[07:10] <Adore_> aha
[07:10] <Adore_> ok
[07:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[07:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> on command line
[07:10] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: not unless she has extra unofficial repositories
[07:10] <Adore_> Thank you very much
[07:11] <Jucato> heh that won't work...
[07:11] <Adore_> Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[07:11] <Jucato> told yah
[07:11] <Jucato> :)
[07:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> hey, i just got off of the official debian repos
[07:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> they had it there :P
[07:12] <Jucato> Adore_: go to this web sitte: http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/dapper/i386/non-free/w32codecs/
[07:12] <Adore_> Thanks
[07:12] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: since when did we include the debian repos by default?
[07:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, nono
[07:12] <Jucato> Adore_: then download the file named w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[07:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> the distro i was running up until 4 hours ago
[07:12] <Adore_> ok
[07:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> elive
[07:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> uses the official debian repos
[07:12] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: we don't have that in Ubuntu
[07:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> i know that
[07:12] <Jucato> we use the official Ubuntu repos, which does not have w32codecs
[07:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> but i don't know what the exact package differences are
[07:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> see, i didn't know it doesn't have w32codecs
[07:13] <Jucato> :)
[07:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> :P
[07:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> it had kvirce and eclipse and azureus and everything else i've installed so far
[07:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> :P
[07:13] <Jucato> that's Debian... :)
[07:13] <Adore_> i like this room and these people
[07:14] <calcmandan> that's just a bummer man. :(
[07:14] <Adore_> when i need help they help me
[07:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, no, i'm saying ubuntu has had all the same packages that i've install so far
[07:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> all the ones i'm used to having on my official debian system
[07:15] <Jucato> except for w32codecs, and some DVD stuff..
[07:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> right
[07:15] <calcmandan> telroth: thanks for the replies, i had to run to the living room to eat a hot dinner.  so.  it's really a bummer that I have to be on top of it all in linux.  i mean, above setting things up securely.
[07:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> libdvdcss i'm sure
[07:15] <Jucato> yep
[07:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> calcmandan, it's not all that hard, just common sense
[07:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> and a lot of things are one-time things
[07:16] <draik> Hello Jucato
[07:16] <draik> Good morning
[07:16] <Jucato> draik: ye hi!
[07:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> like disabling startup scripts that can open security holes
[07:16] <draik> sorry, afternoon
[07:16] <Jucato> draik: I was up until 2:30am...
[07:16] <MrBrizzio> does anyone know about configuring IP Filters on a router?
[07:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's midnight here
[07:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> :P
[07:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> MrBrizzio, i can't help you there
[07:16] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: CST?
[07:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> Jucato, yes
[07:16] <Jucato> heh.
[07:17] <draik> MrBrizzio, do you mean Port Forwarding to IPs?
[07:17] <calcmandan> well, i don't have passwordless accounts, i do use sudo of course, i do have ssh-agent running.  i suppose i should not have that running at login
[07:17] <MrBrizzio> draik, I have a Buffalo Router, and I got Port Forwarding working on the NAT page, but I have aURL that points at my network and I can't hit that URL
[07:17] <MrBrizzio> I don't know how to allow echo or bounce back requests
[07:18] <draik> sorry, can't help
[07:18] <MrBrizzio> is that something you would do in IP Filters?
[07:19] <obf213> i dont know if it is just me but firefox has been sucking alot recently
[07:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, how so?
[07:19] <obf213> it claims to load pages but the original page is sitll there and the links are active and everything
[07:20] <obf213> so il click on a link, the top of the page will change to the nameof the link or w/e the status bar will go to thelike 75 percent, then real quikc to finish and nothing has even changed
[07:20] <obf213> the orignial page is stilll there it was almost rediculous today
[07:20] <obf213> i kept onhavingto go to konqueror
[07:21] <obf213> which worked flawelessly for the most part
[07:24] <obf213> can anyone explain the dynamic ram on kubuntu
[07:24] <obf213> when i log its like 200mb
[07:24] <obf213> ten like 3 hrs later its 800 m b
[07:24] <Jucato> dynamic RAM?
[07:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, i think you mean swap
[07:24] <obf213> dynamic as it it changes
[07:25] <obf213> no i mean ram.
[07:25] <Jucato> all ram changes...
[07:25] <obf213> all the time, like taht
[07:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> where are you getting these reports?
[07:25] <obf213> htop
[07:25] <obf213> or my widget
[07:25] <obf213> they give the same report
[07:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> htop isn't installed on my machine
[07:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> what does "free -h" say ?
[07:25] <Jucato> maybe he meant top
[07:26] <Jucato> Telroth_Plushie|: there's no -h option in free
[07:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> err, free -m
[07:26] <obf213> 14
[07:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's df that takes a -h option
[07:26] <Jucato> heh
[07:26] <Jucato> :)
[07:26] <obf213> 987 used
[07:26] <obf213> 14 free
[07:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[07:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> Mem:           757        734         23          0         22        494
[07:26] <Jucato> obf213: that's how Linux manages RAM/memory
[07:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> from that
[07:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> i have 757 total mb of ram
[07:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> 734 is used by the system
[07:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> 23 mb aren't being used
[07:27] <obf213> ok, but if you log of and log back on, the 734 should go down right?
[07:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> no
[07:27] <Jucato> obf213: why do you want it to go down?
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> yous ee
[07:28] <obf213> jw why so much is used up
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> 494 mb of that 734 is disk cache
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> ram is much faster than harddrives
[07:28] <Jucato> it's how Linux handles/manages RAM
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> so when you open a file
[07:28] <obf213> ok
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> it keeps a copy in ram
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> that way if you open it again
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> it can pull it from ram
[07:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> and doesn't have to use the (slow) harddrive
[07:29] <obf213> i c
[07:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> if you log out, 494 would still be used
[07:29] <Jucato> !memory
[07:29] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[07:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> because it doesn't dump cache when you log out
[07:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> the other 300 would be freed though
[07:29] <Jucato> might want to take a quick look at that link
[07:29] <Jucato> (it's from ubotu...)
[07:29] <obf213> yeah..
[07:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> because it's in use by applications that would exit and stop using the memory on logout
[07:30] <obf213> hey ill check it out thanks
[07:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> if all the memory is in use and an application requests more, linux finds the oldest cache files and removes them to make more room
[07:31] <Jucato> (or uses swap...)
[07:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> so while that 494 is actually in use, it's also available for an application if it needs it
[07:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> swap is like virtual memory
[07:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> it uses your harddrive like a peice of ram ^^
[07:31] <Jucato> swap is virtual memory :)
[07:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> shush you, it's 12:31 at night here, i have to get up in 6 hours
[07:32] <Jucato> lol
[07:32] <Jucato> better turn of that monitor of yours then :)
[07:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> *good
[07:32] <Jucato> goog night! :)
[07:42] <poseidon> That's interesting.... I crashed firefox by search for 'elgooG' in gmail.........
[07:43] <Jucato> poseidon: reproducible? or a one time thing?
[07:43] <poseidon> One-time thing. Probably shouldn't have even said anything :b
[07:43] <Jucato> aw shucks
[07:44] <Jucato> it would be nice though :)
[07:48] <plugs> how do i unmount a drive from the command line?
[07:48] <Jucato> sudo umount <mount point>
[07:48] <Jucato> or  sudo umount <device>
[07:49] <plugs> okay cool. i just got 'not mounted'. my problem is my cd drive, when i changed cds it asked me what to do, the 'open in new window, etc' box and i said cancel and it isnt appearing in storage media
[07:49] <flake> how can i keep from having to insert my ubuntu cd every time i update or install something from the package manager
[07:49] <plugs> i tried to mount it and it says it's already mounted or busy
[07:50] <Jucato> you don't have to mount CD's
[07:50] <plugs> i'll try inserting a different cd
[07:50] <Jucato> flake: edit your sources.list and remove the line that says "deb cdrom......."
[07:51] <flake> ok
[07:51] <Jucato> flake: need instructions on how to do that?
[07:51] <flake> maybe where the file lies
[07:51] <flake>   /etc  would have to look
[07:52] <Jucato> flake: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:52] <Jucato> or you could just do it from Adept
[07:53] <flake> thank you
[07:53] <ccherrett> I install kubuntu with user dennis and password then tried to login and it does not let me in. So I booted into the Live CD and mounted my drive and went to etc/passwd adn I don't see dennis
[07:53] <Jared777> Is there a program to merge 2 partitions in Linux? Tried QTparted and it doesn't allow it
[07:54] <ccherrett> does the Live CD use /dev/hda?
[07:55] <ccherrett> Am I missing something here?
[07:56] <plugs> how do i configure grub?
[07:57] <Jucato> plugs: what do you mean by "configure"?
[07:57] <plugs> well hmm
[07:57] <Jucato> ?
[07:58] <plugs> i added a second hard drive and i want grub to see it and give me the choice of booting from the too
[07:58] <plugs> two*
[07:58] <Jucato> basically you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:59] <Jucato> but making the entries/options to boot from that new hard drive might be a bit complicated
[07:59] <Jucato> what's installed in that 2nd hard drive, btw?
[08:00] <plugs> windows '~'
[08:00] <plugs> xp
[08:00] <Jucato> ah
[08:00] <plugs> is there a way i can reinstall it and have it configure itself?
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> plugs, no windows sucks
[08:01] <Jucato> lol
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> and can't write a MBR
[08:01] <Jucato> I guess you have to add it manually? I'm not sure of a shortcut...
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, note those are two different ideas, related but different
[08:02] <plugs> allright i'll see what i can do
[08:02] <plugs> i wish there was a way to do flash in linux
[08:03] <plugs> not counting wine
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> plugs, we all do
[08:03] <plugs> =]
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> we have to wait until "early 2007"
[08:03] <flake> any data i create, eg user data, should be saved under my /home/<user> directory?
[08:03] <flake> kind of an obvious question i guess
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> flake, yes
[08:04] <Jucato> yes
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> ~ is also /home/<user>
[08:04] <flake> under windows, i save files everywhere
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> so if you ever see something that says ~/.kde or something
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> thats what that means
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> flake, windows saves filse everywhere to
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> like temporary files... linux has /tmp
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> and thats all you need
[08:05] <Jucato> flake: not really. by default, Windows would save your files in you user's directory/folder too
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, note he said I and not windows
[08:06] <Jucato> I'm not done yet typing the follow up sentence Admiral_Chicago
[08:06] <Jucato> I'm not exactly a fast typer like you...
[08:07] <Jucato> :(
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, haha. switch to dvorak
[08:07] <Jucato> nvm
[08:13] <flake> true - came from a dos background, found it hard to convert to windows and be happy
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> flake, yea i enjoy the KDE GUI much more
[08:14] <plugs> grub is confusing m
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> plugs, i can't help, i don't do much grub stuff
[08:16] <ccherrett> anyone ever experienced their user not being entered by the install
[08:20] <flake> i'm glad ea finally released 1.4, now to test the pos
[08:20] <flake> goin chink and redneck huntin
[08:21] <flake> and isblahisblahala huntin too
[08:21] <flake> - counting down the days until quakewars et
[08:25] <plugs> flake what are you freakin talking about
[08:25] <plugs> oh he's gone
[08:25] <Jucato> heh
[08:27] <plugs> !grub
[08:27] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:31] <thyko> is there such a thing as 'apt-get --reconfigure -a'?
[08:31] <Jucato> er.. dpkg --configure -a
[08:31] <Jucato> or "apt-get install -f" I think, but I'm not sure
[08:33] <thyko> dpkg-reconfigure insists it cant find strict.pm :(
[08:33] <thyko> and its right there in its path
[08:33] <Jucato> dpkg-reconfigure?
[08:34] <thyko> got it from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7103.html
[08:34] <Jucato> what are you trying to do, btw?
[08:35] <thyko> i ran clearlinks and it fakt up my system
[08:35] <thyko> the automatic usb-stic detection among other things no longer works
[08:36] <Jucato> did you upgrade to KDE 3.5.4?
[08:36] <thyko> i'm hoping by doing this i will have it working normally again
[08:36] <thyko> no
[08:37] <Jucato> I don't think that dpkg-reconfigure is the proper way to do it though. but I have no idea about clearlinks, so...
[08:37] <thyko> Jucato: well just dont run it as root
[08:38] <Jucato> I'll keep that in mind...
[08:38] <thyko> i dont know why they would put a prog in there that ruins your sys without warning
[08:38] <Jucato> maybe it's just used improperly...
[08:38] <thyko> its supposed to clear dead symbolic links, but it does other stuff too
[08:39] <thyko> Jucato: check out the man page, see whether theres a way to use it improperly
[08:40] <Jucato> ah cleanlinks?
[08:40] <Jucato> hmm let me see
[08:40] <Jucato> "A message will be printed upon encountering each dangling symlink and empty directory."
[08:40] <evilredhed> should i be able to dual boot between kubuntu and slax?
[08:41] <evilredhed> on the same hd partition?
[08:41] <Jucato> not on the same partition
[08:41] <thyko> Jucato: true
[08:41] <Jucato> on the same hd, on different partitions
[08:41] <Jucato> thyko: so you were asked to confirm before removing the dangling symlink?
[08:41] <evilredhed> cool tx
[08:41] <thyko> nop
[08:42] <thyko> 'without warning' remember?
[08:43] <Jucato> well, probably if you're root... but I can't see anything in the man page about "without warning"...
[08:43] <thyko> that was my way of putting it
[08:43] <Jucato> anyway... it might have removed something from the /media directory?
[08:44] <thyko> and about 10 entries in etc/init.d/
[08:45] <chris_> so, I have a question. if I were to do a server install with the alternate disc and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...would that be the same as a straight up kubuntu installation?
[08:45] <AegeanLinux> chris_: somewhat
[08:46] <chris_> basically, im looking to do a very minimal kde install...
[08:46] <Jucato> chris_: if you want a very very minimal kde install, just install kde-core instead
[08:47] <Jucato> server install + x-windows-system-core + kde-core
[08:47] <chris_> so just apt-get install kde-core
[08:47] <AegeanLinux> chris_: sudo apt-get install kde-base
[08:47] <chris_> ?
[08:47] <chris_> thanks
[08:47] <Jucato> well, kdebase is even smaller than kde-core
[08:47] <AegeanLinux> that will install nothing except for the K menu and a few basic apps
[08:47] <AegeanLinux> don't forget to install Adapt if you want to do admin from a GUI ;)
[08:47] <Jucato> ryanakca: hi
[08:47] <Jucato> (or Synaptic...)
[08:47] <AegeanLinux> synaptic == Gnome no ?
[08:48] <Jucato> but works well on KDE as well
[08:48] <AegeanLinux> true, but doesn't 'fit in'
[08:48] <Jucato> you have a choice of package managers: Adept, KPackage, Synaptic
[08:48] <Jucato> you can easily make it "fit in" ifyou're only talking about appearances...
[08:49] <AegeanLinux> Fit in as in KDE exclusive environment :)
[08:49] <AegeanLinux> no GTK2 or GTK installed :)
[08:49] <Jucato> ok, if you mean it that way...
[08:50] <AegeanLinux> Not that I don't like Gnome
[08:50] <Jucato> hm.. actually... Adept is dependent on app-install-data... which is a GNOME thing (AFAIK)
[08:50] <AegeanLinux> well, I don't
[08:50] <AegeanLinux> but, KDE is better :P
[08:50] <AegeanLinux> I thought it was freedesktop.org
[08:50] <bele> Hi everyone, I'm having problems with firefox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22704
[08:50] <AegeanLinux> Gamin (a fam replacement) is also a Gnome thing
[08:51] <chris_> so, server install + "sudo apt-get install x-windows-system-core kde-base" would be the most minimal kde install?
[08:51] <AegeanLinux> I mean all things that depend on gtk2 / gtk gnome :P
[08:51] <Jucato> chris_: kdebase is the most minimal, but I think kde-core is better...
[08:51] <chris_> Jucato: better?
[08:51] <Jucato> you can check what kdebase installs versus what kde-core installs by typing "apt:/" in Konqueror
[08:52] <evilredhed> bele: i found a file that automated the install process, let me see if i can dig up where i found it
[08:52] <evilredhed> not to sure what all that jargon means
[08:53] <bele> evilredhed: Thanks, but firefox kind of works
[08:54] <bioticpro> how do you auto scroll webpages in konq?
[08:54] <bele> evilredhed: It is already installed here .. it just outputs these error messages
[08:54] <evilredhed> bele: sweet. im a total noob but try to help people anyway cuz im an idiot
[08:54] <chris_> Jucato: I dont have access to konqeror. any idea on the difference?
[08:54] <bele> evilredhed: Thanks anyway :)
[08:54] <Jucato> bioticpro: it's enabled by default
[08:54] <ryan_> whats the major differences between KDE and Gnome
[08:54] <Jucato> chris_: you can try apt-cache show kde-core and apt-cache show kdebase
[08:55] <bioticpro> Jucato: ok, maybe what Im thinking of is something different... how do you make the page start scrolling up or down without having to keep a button pressed?
[08:55] <Jucato> bioticpro: with the mouse?
[08:56] <bioticpro> yeah, or keyboard.. whatever, just a way to start it scrolling and adjust the speed
[08:57] <bioticpro> I miss that feature from windows, where you could click the middle mouse wheel and bring up that little 4 arrow icon for scrolling
[08:57] <Jucato> bioticpro: in Konqueror, go to Settings > Configure Konqueror > Web Behavior
[08:57] <Jucato> bioticpro: then uncheck "Middle click opens URL in selecction"
[08:58] <chris_> thanks Jucato
[08:58] <chris_> appreciate it
[08:58] <Jucato> :)
[08:58] <bioticpro> Jucato: Yowsa!
[08:58] <bioticpro> Ive been using linux for 2 years and wanted to do this...
[08:58] <bioticpro> thx big time
[08:58] <Jucato> heh no problem :)
[08:59] <bioticpro> that should be the default mode... esp for windows converts
[08:59] <evilredhed> hey is it easy to get spanish installed for the openoffice.org stuff?
[08:59] <Jucato> ... maybe one day :)
[09:00] <bioticpro> Jucato: now if only there were a way to set the middle click action for all kde programs
[09:01] <Jucato> that autoscroll action?
[09:03] <bele> bioticpro: you know you can also, with keyboard, click shift + down arrow to scroll down the web page ... several clicks to adjust speed
[09:03] <bioticpro> bele: thats nice also, thx
[09:03] <Jucato> hehe but that takes a bit of getting used to... I feel like I'm driving a car in an arcade game...
[09:04] <bele> so true
[09:04] <Jucato> you have to remember to hold the shift key down when adjusting the speed, but to let it go and press the cursor to stop...
[09:04] <bioticpro> Jucato: well, also I would like to customize the action for clicking middle mouse button in all of kde/x, like to open a program with it
[09:04] <Jucato> It also doesn't do auto-reverse :)
[09:05] <bele> but very nice when your hands are on keyboard :)
[09:05] <Jucato> ah
[09:06] <timi> y does wmv look so washed out and terrible on linux
[09:06] <timi> like totem player and kaffiene
[09:07] <bele> timi: maybe just adjust brightness and contrast?
[09:07] <bele> timi: defaults for some reason seem to be "burned"
[09:07] <timi> bele where do i adjust this
[09:08] <timi> abbatoir any idea
[09:09] <diego_cl> hi
[09:09] <abattoir> timi: !!!
[09:09] <bele> timi: press button V
[09:09] <abattoir> timi: long time no see :)
[09:09] <bele> timi:  in kaffeine
[09:09] <diego_cl> which is the fastest distro with the best compatibility !??!?!
[09:09] <abattoir> timi: didnt see your question
[09:10] <bele> timi: pour avoir video settings
[09:10] <evilredhed> xubuntu + packaged
[09:10] <bele> timi: sorry, to have video settings
[09:10] <timi> yeah its been a while, i think bele's got it but i was wondering why wmv looks so faded out and bright in kaffein and totem
[09:11] <abattoir> timi: only wmv? or any video?
[09:11] <timi> wmv,
[09:11] <timi> i just fixed it the in kaffeine
[09:11] <diego_cl> evilredhed : are you talking to me?
[09:11] <timi> thanks bele im going to check the firefox plugin
[09:11] <evilredhed> diego_cl: lol, yea
[09:11] <bele> timi: no problem
[09:11] <diego_cl> evilredhed thanks
[09:12] <timi> yeah it fixed both of them thanks
[09:12] <evilredhed> diego_cl: sure man, i hope thats what you were looking for
[09:12] <calcmandan> hey yall, i screwed up.
[09:13] <calcmandan> i installed a KDM theme.  Restarted KDE and it gave me an error stating: "theme not usable with authentication method 'Username + password (classic)'  ANyone know a command line method to changing the config file to point to a good theme?
[09:14] <diego_cl> evilredhed what is packaged ??
[09:14] <calcmandan> The instruction on the theme page in kde-look.org points to a file that doesn't exist in kubuntu.
[09:14] <Jucato> calcmandan: edit the file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ?
[09:15] <evilredhed> diego_cl: i misstyped, i meant packages, just download what u need for what u got
[09:15] <diego_cl> ahhh
[09:16] <diego_cl> evilredhed: what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu ??
[09:17] <bioticpro> diego_cl: gnome vs kde as desktop
[09:17] <evilredhed> diego_cl: as far as i know, kubuntu uses a dif. desktop and there are a couple other software differances
[09:17] <calcmandan> jucato: thank you.  i have 3 themes in the theme manager.  what line dictates the theme used?
[09:17] <evilredhed> diego_cl: but the operating sys is the same
[09:17] <bioticpro> also, ubuntu is far more polished and bugfree than kubuntu
[09:17] <evilredhed> or it might as well be anyway
[09:17] <diego_cl> sorry!!!   y mean what us the difference with ubuntu and xubuntu  ! ! !
[09:17] <Jucato> calcmandan: Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu <--- default theme
[09:17] <bioticpro> diego_cl: gnome vs xfce
[09:18] <bioticpro> as desktop
[09:18] <diego_cl> ahh
[09:18] <diego_cl> is there any inconvineance with xfce ?
[09:18] <diego_cl> is there something worse  ?
[09:18] <Jucato> well, the new Xfce file manager (Thunar) is still a bit new, and doesn't have that much features yet.
[09:19] <Jucato> for example, it only got a very basic trash management feature only recently
[09:19] <calcmandan> kucato: THANK YOU SO MUCH
[09:19] <Jucato> :)
[09:19] <calcmandan> jucato: sorry for the misspelling.  I was ripping my hair out.  fior some reason, my favorite distro seems to put the config files where they make sense.
[09:20] <Jucato> heh :) no problem
[09:20] <leileilol> hi
[09:20] <leileilol> i've tried to install kqemu and on the last step i've hit a snag
[09:20] <leileilol>  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/modules.alias', which is also i
[09:20] <leileilol> n package linux-image-2.6.15-26-386
[09:20] <diego_cl> bye!
[09:21] <leileilol> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu was following this
[09:26] <leileilol> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/784801
[09:47] <ccherrett> how do you change the root password in kubuntu?
[09:47] <ccherrett> it did not prompt me to set it on install
[09:48] <Jucato> ccherrett: the root user is disabled by default in Kubuntu
[09:48] <ccherrett> ??
[09:48] <Jucato> the first user you create can have administrator privileges when needed
[09:48] <ccherrett> it is prompting me for a password for sudo
[09:48] <Jucato> when it asks for the Administrator's/root password, you give your password
[09:48] <Jucato> !sudo
[09:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:49] <ccherrett> ok so the created user has root access
[09:49] <Jucato> only when using sudo or kdesu
[09:49] <Jucato> after the job is finished, (or after a few minutes after the job is finished) you lose that access
[09:49] <ccherrett> ok that worked
[09:49] <ccherrett> thanks
[09:50] <ccherrett> why do they do that?
[09:50] <Jucato> you can read more about sudo in that link
[09:50] <ccherrett> ok
[10:03] <Ant1_^> what means semicolons?
[10:03] <Ant1_^> it's a character?
[10:04] <Jucato> huh?
[10:04] <Ant1_^> yes I have found
[10:04] <Ant1_^> it's ;
[10:04] <Ant1_^> :)
[10:05] <Jucato> ah
[10:15] <ccherrett> any idea how to get sshd to run as a service? rc-update?
[10:22] <dnm_> Hi people. Quick question that I haven't found an easy answer to: how do I get Kate to stop showing end-of-line/CRLF marks?
[10:22] <wilfred> dnm_: why do you want to hide them?
[10:23] <ccherrett> how do you get a service to start automatically in kubuntu?
[10:23] <dnm_> wilfred: They're distracting when trying to edit and read files.
[10:23] <wilfred> ccherrett: I use BUM (apt-get install bum)
[10:24] <dnm_> wilfred: They're also easily confused with periods, which bugs me
[10:24] <ccherrett> wilfred: is that new?
[10:24] <wilfred> new to me :-) BUM = Boot-Up Manager
[10:24] <ccherrett> thanks
[10:28] <dnm_> wilfred: any ideas?
[10:28] <wilfred> dnm: I'm not sure. Does it happen on all types of highlighting?
[10:32] <ccherrett> wilfred: bum is not showing up with apt-get and the deb from the site does not install due to dependancies. Any idea how to get sshd to start without bum? /etc.ini.d/ssh start works but how to sutorun that?
[10:32] <Jucato> !bum
[10:32] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:33] <wilfred> do you have univese repositories enables jucato?
[10:33] <Jucato> err... why me?
[10:33] <wilfred> ahem - sorry
[10:33] <Jucato> :D
[10:33] <wilfred> ccherrett: you'll need the universe repositories enabled to install bum
[10:34] <ccherrett> wilfred: I have never heard of that
[10:34] <ccherrett> anyidea where to look
[10:34] <ccherrett> ubotu: thanks
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:34] <wilfred> ok. go to /etc/apt/ in konqueror, right click sources.list and hit edit as root
[10:36] <ccherrett> wilfred: done
[10:36] <wilfred> then remove the # from the lines that say "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe" and "deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe" and save
[10:36] <wilfred> then apt-get install bum
[10:37] <Jucato> hm... wilfred, probably best to leave the deb-src uncommented if not needed. it lessens the time of sudo apt-get update...
[10:37] <yannux> hello :)
[10:38] <fildo_> lol @ bum
[10:38] <wilfred> true. not a big deal though. For someone who's being using linux 2 weeks, I'm getting there :-)
[10:38] <Jucato> :)
[10:39] <fildo_> apt-get rox
[10:39] <ccherrett> wilfred: thanks
[10:39] <fildo_> n congrats in makin the change
[10:39] <Jucato> fildo_: E: Invalid operation. hehehe! :)
[10:39] <fildo_> one more less m$ user makes the world a better place
[10:40] <fildo_> lol
[10:40] <wilfred> thx fildo_. I got hold of a very cheap pc for my first install to avoid setting up a dual boot
[10:40] <fildo_> my source.lists muse be incorrect
[10:40] <fildo_> e =t
[10:40] <fildo_> wlfred. dual boot is easy as
[10:40] <Jucato> dual boot is easy, triple boot is fun :)
[10:40] <fildo_> lol
[10:41] <wilfred> just windows for games now really.
[10:41] <fildo_> Jucato: fc5 / kubuntu / m$
[10:41] <fildo_> on one lappy ...
[10:41] <Jucato> Kubuntu / Kubuntu / MS :)
[10:41] <fildo_> sweet..
[10:41] <Jucato> err..
[10:42] <Jucato> Dapper / Edgy / MS
[10:42] <wilfred> I'd like to have a play with gentoo at some point, need a bigger hd :-/
[10:42] <fildo_> lol
[10:42] <fildo_> im only on 80gig here
[10:42] <wilfred> 15 :-P
[10:42] <fildo_> lol ..
[10:42] <Jucato> hehe 80 Gig, but XP is on a 20 GB disk of it's own.
[10:42] <Jucato> I don't want contamination :)
[10:43] <fildo_> there wouldnt be
[10:43] <fildo_> unless ur fingers do something wrong
[10:43] <wilfred> xp can mess up grub I'm told
[10:43] <fildo_> but i guess, *nix dosnt use any m$ permissions
[10:43] <fildo_> or read erm, so yes, contamination,
[10:43] <Jucato> (or my sister appliex her magical hex powers that seem to have the ability to damage any computer system)
[10:43] <fildo_> ah
[10:43] <fildo_> affirmatus on that one, have an older brother who dose that for me
[10:44] <fildo_> i just permission windows boxes. n limit them as users
[10:44] <fildo_> so they cant fukin touch nething unless i do it
[10:44] <Jucato> I did that... but some programs didn't work. so I just gave her full access and told her that she's responsible for XP from that day on
[10:44] <fildo_> write permission scripts
[10:44] <wilfred> anyway, can anyone help me install kerry? I've built beagle from source but kerry keeps complaining about missing dependencies
[10:45] <Jucato> :)
[10:45] <fildo_> not just the basic *limit user in control pannel
[10:45] <fildo_> ha
[10:45] <fildo_> neways enough gay windows talk
[10:45] <fildo_> brb
[10:45] <Jucato> lol
[10:54] <wilfred> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb package without its dependencies?
[10:55] <Jucato> er.. you can't...
[10:55] <Jucato> you need to install it's dependencies first, one by one...
[10:55] <wilfred> grrr. I've built beagle from source and kerry doesn't think beagle is installed
[10:55] <Jucato> and if those dependencies have other dependencies, you have to install them as well..
[10:56] <ketsugi> wilfred: use checkinstall
[10:56] <ketsugi> `sudo checkinstall` instead of `sudo make install`
[10:56] <Jucato> er...
[10:56] <Healot> wilfred: is there any build option to point out beagle location?
[10:56] <ketsugi> then for the package name, make sure it's "beagle" or whatever the official package name is
[10:56] <Jucato> ketsugi: <wilfred> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb package without its dependencies?
[10:56] <ketsugi> that way apt will know you've got the right package installed even if you compiled from source
[10:56] <Jucato> ah
[10:56] <Jucato> ok
[10:56] <Jucato> my bad sorry ketsugi :)
[10:56] <ketsugi> Jucato: yes, but his problem is that he installed beagle NOT through apt
[10:57] <ketsugi> yeah
[10:57] <vmware> how do use join?
[10:57] <Jucato> vmware:  /join #channel_name
[10:57] <ketsugi> in any case, there might be a --force option he can use
[10:57] <Healot> fff /join
[10:57] <vmware> gracias
[10:57] <ketsugi> but I wouldn't recommend that unless he's absolutely sure he's got all the dependencies installed already
[10:57] <wilfred> I do.
[10:58] <wilfred> I've installed an old version of beagle before, beagle is running, just kerry won't install.
[10:58] <ketsugi> well I'd say do the checkinstall method to be safe
[10:58] <ketsugi> it also makes it easy for you to uninstall your custom package later if you need to
[10:59] <wilfred> the problem with checkinstall is it produces packages with wrong arch type (x86_64 instead of amd64) and lintian produces loads of errors for the package
[11:00] <ketsugi> you can change that, can't you?
[11:00] <ketsugi> well I dunno, I'm on 686 myself
[11:00] <wilfred> the arch, yes. They're just two different names for the same arch. I have to change it if I want to install it though.
[11:01] <wilfred> but lintian produced about 50 errors for the package
[11:03] <Healot> try dh_make instead
[11:03] <Healot> then you can customize the arch
[11:03] <wilfred> dh_make?
[11:04] <Healot> i forgot the package name, but you can always find it at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <Healot> it generates the debian rules thing, you know...
[11:04] <Healot> then use checkinstall
[11:06] <wilfred> what package is it in? packages.ubuntu.com doesn't give any results
[11:07] <Healot> it's a file on one specific package
[11:08] <Healot> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/devel/dh-make >> fast isn;t it?
[11:08] <Healot> i hve the bookmark :)
[11:08] <Jucato> lol
[11:08] <wilfred> ok, a dash not an underscore :-)
[11:09] <Healot> the package name has dash
[11:09] <Healot> the file has _ underscore
[11:09] <cox377> does anyone hae any idea what KDE would restart on it's own?
[11:09] <cox377> its been happening for a few days when i'm away from the computer
[11:09] <cox377> then it just did it when i was sitting there
[11:09] <cox377> i thought previously it was just the computer restarting
[11:10] <magical_trevsky> hi, can anyone help me install the new amarok? i've put the error that i'm getting from apt here: www.magic.net.ve/amarok.txt
[11:10] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: you're trying to install version 1.4.3?
[11:10] <magical_trevsky> Jucato, yeah, the one on the front page of kubuntu.org
[11:11] <Jucato> did you enable the "dapper-backports" repository, like it said?
[11:12] <magical_trevsky> Jucato, i've managed to install ktorrent and stuff- which it says are in backports, so i believe so.. and i downloaded the other version of amarok that's on kubuntu.org the other day with no problems
[11:13] <magical_trevsky> Jucato, i have these lines in my sources.list:
[11:13] <magical_trevsky>  deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted univ$
[11:13] <magical_trevsky>  deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted $
[11:14] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: hmm...
[11:14] <Jucato> hold on, let me check something
[11:16] <pedro> hi all I am using synaptic to install a desktop recording program called istanbul. It require som dependencies like gstreamer. Synaptic downloaded the packages and started to install and set them up. now it's just sitting there doing nothing. It seems to be stuck at "Setting up libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0 (0.8.12-1ubuntu2) ...". I'm afraid to interupt Synaptic. What should I do?
[11:17] <Jucato> pedro: you are doing this in Kubuntu?
[11:18] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: I'm not absolutely sure on this, but it might be that Amarok 1.4.3 needs at least KDE 3.5.3 to install.
[11:18] <pedro> Jucato: well. actually I'm using mepis 6.0
[11:18] <magical_trevsky> ah, so i guess i need to add the new kde repo then. cool, thanks :)
[11:18] <Jucato> pedro: err... :)
[11:19] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: I'm still checking if that's really the problem
[11:19] <magical_trevsky> heh, ok
[11:19] <pedro> Jucato: same same, but different
[11:21] <pedro> Is it safe to just kill Synaptic when it is still havent finnished its task?
[11:21] <Jucato> pedro: no repsonse from #mepis? anyway, is Synaptic waiting for you to confirm something?
[11:21] <Jucato> pedro: you probably could, the "dpkg --configure -a" in the terminal
[11:21] <ubuntu> Hello to all
[11:22] <pedro> Jucato: no it just stuck on "Setting up libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0 (0.8.12-1ubuntu2) ..."
[11:22] <Jucato> pedro: I guess you have no choice then?
[11:22] <pedro> Jucato:  Can I do "dpkg --configure -a" when synaptic is still running
[11:22] <Jucato> pedro: no
[11:23] <pedro> Jucato: no, your right
[11:23] <Jucato> :)
[11:23] <pedro> Jucato: oki, thanks anyway :)
[11:23] <Jucato> pedro: you could probably also try asking in #mepis?
[11:23] <magical_trevsky> Jucato, i'm gonna install the new kde anyways, no harm in updating :D
[11:23] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: ok. best of luck! :)
[11:24] <magical_trevsky> thanks!
[11:25] <pedro> Jucato: yes I did, no respons so far, not many people there right now. I will try #mepislovers as well. tnx
[11:25] <Jucato> ok
[11:27] <AcidBen> hi
[11:27] <AcidBen> i search after the kubuntu DVD version,and the FTP dont accept anonymous logon
[11:28] <AcidBen> and the link on kubuntu mirror (with login and pas) dont work too
[11:30] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: are you upgrading KDE now?
[11:30] <magical_trevsky> Jucato, yep, although 80 packages were held back :o
[11:30] <Jucato> hmm..
[11:30] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.3 or 3.5.4?
[11:30] <magical_trevsky> 3.5.4
[11:31] <daniloc> i need a best program for wireless configuration :)
[11:31] <Jucato> ah you need to do dist-upgrade for that
[11:31] <Jucato> (and prepare for some "issues")
[11:31] <magical_trevsky> :O such as?
[11:31] <magical_trevsky> ive only done upgrade so far.. will that cause any problems?
[11:31] <daniloc> i have a wireless assistant but is very bad ;(
[11:31] <Jucato> the Configuration Wizard (KPersonalizer) starting up everytime you log in (easily remedied)
[11:32] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: you need to continue with dist-upgrade, otherwise you'll have dependency problems
[11:32] <magical_trevsky> mkay
[11:33] <Jucato> going afk...
[11:33] <magical_trevsky> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:33] <magical_trevsky>   kdelibs-bin
[11:33] <magical_trevsky>  :o
[11:33] <Jucato> magical_trevsky: yes that's ok
[11:33] <Jucato> I was about to tell you about it
[11:33] <magical_trevsky> lol
[11:33] <Jucato> it's ok to remove it
[11:34] <magical_trevsky> it's downloading all its stuff now, and amarok is in the list :D
[11:34] <Jucato> can I go  now? :)
[11:34] <Jucato> heh nice
[11:34] <pointwood> anyone know of an update in regards to the backports?
[11:34] <magical_trevsky> thanks for all your help Jucato :)
[11:34] <Jucato> pointwood: what about it?
[11:34] <pointwood> there were some problems with the build system
[11:34] <pointwood> == no updates
[11:35] <Healot> i
[11:35] <Jucato> aah.... for which package again?
[11:35] <pointwood> among them is konversation 1.0
[11:35] <Healot> been thinking of installing kubuntu tonight he
[11:35] <Jucato> pointwood: let me check (again...)
[11:35] <pointwood> I would guess the new amarok release would be there soon too :)
[11:35] <Healot> for whatever reason, i haven't install 6.06 yet
[11:35] <Jucato> pointwood: Amarok 1.4.2 is in dapper-backports (magically...)
[11:36] <Jucato> Amarok 1.4.3 is in Kubuntu.org, but you need dapper-backports enabled
[11:36] <pointwood> Jucato: is there a place where the status is posted so I could check it myself?
[11:36] <pointwood> I have dapper backports enabled
[11:37] <pointwood> my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22611
[11:37] <Jucato> pointwood: I'm manually going through the archives, but you could "apt-cache madison konversation" to see the available versions. the one at the top is the one installed (I think)
[11:37] <Jucato> pointwood: nope. no luck...
[11:38] <pointwood> yeah, I can see konversation 1.0 there
[11:38] <pointwood> with that apt-cache command above
[11:38] <Jucato> pointwood: ah
[11:38] <Jucato> thought you still didn't have it installed...
[11:39] <Emess> anyone know of a similar project that ports osx code to nix?
[11:39] <pointwood> Jucato: I don't, I have .19 installed
[11:39] <pointwood> but at the bottom it says "konversation | 1.0-0ubuntu1~dapper1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Sources"
[11:39] <Jucato> ah there
[11:39] <Jucato> try updating then upgrade
[11:39] <pointwood> I just did :)
[11:43] <pointwood> Jucato: there are no updates
[11:43] <pointwood> which is wierd imho
[11:46] <Jucato> very weird...
[11:47] <Jucato> i'm outta here!
[12:13] <en1gma> sup all
[12:13] <en1gma> i have a kubuntu dvd laying right here and im not sure if its a 64bit version or 32bit....how can i tell
[12:13] <en1gma> i need to know for sure cause i have a spare computer system that is 32bit
[12:13] <en1gma> i thinking boutght putting it on that
[12:14] <rdfm> hi *, I'm having problems installing amarok-1.4.3
[12:14] <magical_trevsky> en1gma, is it a shipit cd (one of the free ones)?
[12:14] <en1gma> dloaded one
[12:14] <en1gma> its 6.06
[12:15] <en1gma> when it autoplays
[12:15] <magical_trevsky> ah
[12:15] <rdfm> I think the problem is due to not having the kde 3.5.4 repository in sources.list
[12:15] <magical_trevsky> rdfm, i just had that problem, and the new kde fixed it :)
[12:15] <rdfm> so I'm upgrading now but maybe it should be spelled out on the new amarok package page that it's a requirement ;)
[12:16] <en1gma> i think its the 64bit version
[12:16] <rdfm> who should I contact and harrass for it?
[12:16] <rdfm> ;)
[12:27] <bill__> so, I want to upgrade to kde 354. I added the repos and the key. I also sudo apt-get update and upgrade as well as dist-upgrade. but still no 354. I have 352. any ideas?
[12:29] <en1gma> anyone got a quake 4 server they setup b4
[12:29] <gnomefreak> bill__: apt-cache policy kdebase
[12:29] <en1gma> just got a Q about the dedicated server
[12:29] <Faed> I ran a quake3 server years ago.
[12:29] <en1gma> do you have to install all of Q4 too besides the server file
[12:29] <bill__> gnomefreak: thanks. now what?
[12:30] <en1gma> i got a Q3 server up (well the computer is off so it not u right now)
[12:30] <en1gma> :)
[12:30] <Faed> you need the map data
[12:30] <en1gma> damn i cant believe i have to have all that there too
[12:30] <en1gma> my hd is only 4gig
[12:30] <en1gma> lol
[12:30] <Faed> well, how would you do it? ;)
[12:30] <Faed> the server has to know more than the clients do to provide the game.
[12:30] <en1gma> ive seen some servers (dedicated) that do not need all that
[12:30] <en1gma> example is fear
[12:31] <en1gma> fear just has a server file
[12:31] <gnomefreak> bill__: what does it say
[12:31] <en1gma> saves alot of space
[12:31] <en1gma> got a fear server too
[12:31] <bill__> bill@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy kdebase
[12:31] <bill__> kdebase:
[12:31] <bill__>   Installed: (none)
[12:31] <bill__>   Candidate: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper2
[12:31] <bill__>   Version table:
[12:31] <bill__>      4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper2 0
[12:31] <bill__>         500 http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages
[12:31] <bill__>      4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper1 0
[12:31] <bill__>         500 http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages
[12:31] <Faed> it must be multicast.
[12:31] <bill__>      4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 0
[12:31] <bill__>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[12:31] <bill__>      4:3.5.2-0ubuntu26 0
[12:31] <bill__>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[12:31] <Faed> jfc
[12:31] <Faed> don't do that.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> bill__: you can stop pasteing nowe
[12:31] <Faed> pastebin, pls
[12:32] <en1gma> ever here of pastebin
[12:32] <bill__> sorry
[12:32] <gnomefreak> bill__: sudo apt-get update
[12:32] <gnomefreak> bill__: when its done let me know
[12:32] <bill__> done
[12:32] <en1gma> well i guess i S.O.L with Q4 then
[12:32] <gnomefreak> bill__: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <bill__> hmm  I'm trying to avoid that. I did a server install + kdebase...I'd like to avoid alot of the packages that come with kubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <Faed> why? a 200G disk would cost less than the game does.
[12:34] <en1gma> well its a spare computer and dont really want to put anything into it
[12:34] <Faed> kde is a ratsnest of interdependencies.
[12:34] <en1gma> i do have a Q3 and a fear server on it
[12:34] <en1gma> but would have liked to had Q4 too
[12:34] <en1gma> but o well
[12:35] <Faed> if you install a handful of kde applications, you'll get kubuntu-desktop in pieces anyhow.
[12:35] <bill__> true.
[12:36] <bill__> ok I think I got it
[12:36] <bill__> about kde shows 354 now
[12:37] <gnomefreak> bill__: apt-cache policy kdebase-bin should show you that
[12:37] <bill__> yup it does
[12:37] <bill__> thanks
[12:42] <rosemary> hi just installed kubuntu for another try but can't remember how to set up the repsoitories to download other packages eg firefox
[12:46] <Mortice> !info mozilla-firefox
[12:46] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 49 kB, installed size 104 kB
[12:46] <rosemary> I need to reset repositories but get messgae "line commented out because installer failed to verify" - can anyone help please
[12:47] <Mortice> rosemary: could you pastebot your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[12:48] <rosemary> Mortice, I am on another PC but it seems to be empty - I installed without network access at the time
[12:49] <Mortice> rosemary: it shouldn't be empty, even if you installed without network access. it should refer to the installation CD ROM, at least
[12:49] <rosemary> it says /etc/apt/sources.list.d Mort
[12:50] <rosemary> sorry Mortice
[12:50] <joker_> sup
[12:51] <Mortice> rosemary: what says that? what's the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[12:53] <rosemary> Mortice, gives me the message "line commented out by installer because it failed to verify" and goes on to list the repositories and repeating the Line commented out bit each time
[12:53] <rosemary> Mortice, does kubuntu have midnight commander?
[12:53] <Mortice> rosemary: ah, ok. that "line commented out bit" isn't a message. it's part of the file
[12:54] <Mortice> rosemary: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # symbol from the start of every line that begins with 'deb' or 'deb-src'
[12:54] <Mortice> !info mc
[12:54] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2073 kB, installed size 5952 kB
[12:55] <Mortice> rosemary: it does if you enable the universe repository :)
[12:55] <rosemary> Mortice, I am a bit rusty with linux - I use it on a day to day basis but haven't had to do anything with files for ages
[12:56] <Mortice> rosemary: type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" on a command line
[12:56] <rosemary> will try to remember vi I guess and edit the # out
[12:56] <Mortice> rosemary: or you could use vi :)
[12:57] <rosemary> kate is easier :-)
[12:57] <Mortice> :)
[12:58] <Mortice> rosemary: once you're done uncommenting those lines, do 'sudo apt-get update'. If it doesn't give you errors, your repositories are set up.
[12:58] <rosemary> got long error message from that command "Major opcode:144" among other things
[12:58] <joker_> do some 1 know alot about net games
[12:59] <joker_> that u wine for
[12:59] <Mortice> rosemary: huh. would it be at all possible to make your /etc/apt/sources.list available somewhere?
[01:00] <rosemary> Mortice, give me a tick and i'll switch to toher PC - have network going now
[01:00] <Mortice> thanks rosemary - it'll be much easier to help if I can see the file :)
[01:01] <joker_> do some 1 know alot about net games
[01:01] <Mortice> joker_: ask your question, so that someone can help you
[01:01] <Mortice> joker_: it really depends what the question is whether or not someone knows enough about net games to support you :)
[01:01] <joker_> yes
[01:02] <joker_> see i'm new 2 linux
[01:02] <rosemary> Mortice: back - which command did you want output off?
[01:03] <joker_> so i'm try 2 get counter strike 2 work on linux
[01:03] <Mortice> rosemary: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:04] <Mortice> joker_: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Steam&back=HOWTO+INDEX+Wine+Games
[01:04] <joker_> ty bro
[01:05] <Mortice> joker_: No problem. Enjoy :)
[01:06] <joker_> i will
[01:08] <rosemary> can't find the paste place
[01:08] <Mortice> !paste
[01:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:08] <rosemary> maybe I can try vi
[01:09] <Mortice> rosemary: what for? Just do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in a terminal and copy-paste the output to that website.
[01:09] <nonickname> hey
[01:10] <Mortice> hello, nonickname :)
[01:10] <nonickname> what's up?
[01:10] <daniloc> nothing, what abot u ?
[01:10] <rosemary> Mortice: did it work? :-0
[01:11] <Mortice> rosemary: you need to link me to the url it gave you
[01:11] <daniloc> anybody here need a free sms? pvt me
[01:11] <Mortice> rosemary: ok, no worries, i found it
[01:11] <nonickname> i was just contemplating using kubuntu to slipstream a windows cd.. appears i don't know much about slipstreaming
[01:12] <Mortice> rosemary: OK. There are still # symbols at the start of the 'deb...' and 'deb-src...' lines. I thought you had removed those?
[01:14] <rosemary> Mortice: I was trying but no mc and the kdesu kate command didn't work
[01:15] <Mortice> rosemary: oh, apologies.
[01:16] <Mortice> type "sudo kate" and then open up /etc/apt/sources.list from the file open dialog
[01:17] <rosemary> Mortice: think something bizarre has happened and the file is gone - but willl try that
[01:17] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to avoid konqueror's message: "This untrusted page links to file://...Do you want to follow the link?"?
[01:17] <Mortice> rosemary: the file isn't gone, because cat /etc/apt/sources.list gave us the right output
[01:19] <rosemary> okay I have it open now - so just go and take out the # on the deb lines?
[01:19] <zorgluuu> vlt: you make konqueror believe the page is a file:// too
[01:19] <Mortice> rosemary: yea, take those out on the deb and deb-src lines, then save the file.
[01:19] <zorgluuu> vlt: you copy the html in a file and point konqueror at it
[01:21] <rosemary> okay done thanks Mortice will try an update
[01:21] <Mortice> rosemary: sudo apt-get update first, then try, for example, sudo apt-get install mc
[01:21] <Mortice> rosemary: or you can use graphical package management stuff
[01:22] <rosemary> Mortice: prefer the command line thanks - it is working now
[01:22] <Mortice> rosemary: cool :)
[01:24] <rosemary> Mortice: thanks for your help :-0 much appreciated
[01:24] <Mortice> rosemary: no problem at all. keeps me from going mad while i deal with my own problem here :)
[01:25] <rosemary> Mortice: and what's that?