[16:59] <ottoshmidt> what does "orphaned library" mean?
[19:28] <Asad2005> i have upgraded my hardy amd64 to 810 and now if i boot with default kernel option 2627 the system drop to built in shell with /dev/disk/by-uuid does not exists but other kernel 2.64 i think boots ok


[08:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:44] <ahoneybun> morning lordievader
[08:44] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you doing?
[08:45] <ahoneybun> lordievader: not bad
[08:46] <ahoneybun> lordievader: Docs are getting a refresh
[08:46] <lordievader> Whoo, fancy :D
[08:46] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[08:46] <ahoneybun> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[08:50] <ahoneybun> lordievader: we also have a post on the Ubuntu Weekly newsletter
[08:52] <lordievader> Really? Hmm, gues I should subscribe. Do you have a link?
[08:54] <ahoneybun> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit#heading=h.obzgnl4xas1y
[08:55] <ahoneybun> this is the post lordievader https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-March/009324.html
[09:06] <lordievader> ^ is kubuntu-devel?
[09:08] <valorie> ubuntu weekly newsletter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[09:08] <lordievader> Ah, never mind. Good to see that Ubuntu hasn't abandoned Kubuntu :D
[09:09] <valorie> they will print whatever we provide them, and they always have
[09:09] <valorie> in fact, they have including blogs that we've not told them about
[09:09] <valorie> UWN is good folks
[10:30] <ahoneybun> morning valorie
[11:04] <ahoneybun> so now we switch to konversation for irc?
[11:04] <alket> konversation ftw
[11:04] <ahoneybun> oh yea for sure
[11:05] <ahoneybun> that's what I had installed by default in the beta 1
[11:05] <alket> I think becuase konversation moved to KF5
[11:05] <alket> and quassel not
[11:11] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[12:25] <yofel> great, mtp doesn't work again - Listing File Information on Device with name: (NULL)
[12:38] <yofel> bluetooth doesn't work either...
[12:56] <yofel> hm, mtp does work actually, it's just very very slow
[13:41] <Mamarok> apparently somebody is faking my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>address to send spam, what can I do?
[14:19] <ScottK> Mamarok: Not much.  It's a pretty common problem.
[14:20] <ScottK> In order to deploy any of the common email authentication technologies, Canonical would have to offer email submission (outbound sending) services to members and I doubt they'll do that.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:11] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.04-beta1.php
[18:11] <soee> this will have ported kdetelepathy right ?
[18:54] <mitya57> Mirv: I have an (obvious) fix for qtenginio FTBFS: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtenginio.git/commit?id=2ed643cf46369a58
[18:54] <mitya57> Should I upload it to Debian or can you cherry-pick it as temporary delta?
[19:29] <Mamarok> ScottK: thx fpr the explanation, I feared as much. FWIW, I disabled that address in my launchpad profile as I don't use it anyway and it was forwarded to my kde.org address. Hopefully this will not result in having my other addresses blacklisted...
[22:26] <valorie> if only governments took stuff like spamming and scamming seriously and just arrested the perps
[22:26] <valorie> life would be easier for everyone
[22:30] <Riddell> pretty tricky problem to solve
[22:31] <Riddell> maybe you'd get some government's attention if you said it was another excuse for mass surveilance
[22:31] <Riddell> they'd like that
[22:31] <valorie> it is, even on the technical level
[22:31] <valorie> here at least, spammers send money to political candidates
[22:32] <valorie> so it won't happen
[22:32] <valorie> the so-called Can Spam act is a joke
[22:33] <Riddell> with a name like that I doubt it could be taken seriously
[22:35] <soee> Riddell: hiho
[22:36] <soee> apps 15.04 will be shipped with vivid ?
[22:40] <Riddell> soee: no, vivid is in feature freeze
[22:43] <soee> Riddell: ok, do you know anything about nvidia driver that it depends of upstart and will it be fixed to use systemd instead ?
[22:46] <yofel> you mean nvidia-prime (bug 1428849). The driver doesn't care
[22:47] <soee> yofel: no sure, user on #kubuntu mentioned thta he was unable to install nvidia driver from drivers manager, when he trie from cli it wanted upstart
[22:49] <yofel> nvidia-340 recommends nvidia-prime which depends on upstart. So yeah, that might happen, but the driver doesn't really need it
[22:49] <soee> hmm but yeah if i try to install nvidia-prime now when i'm using systemd, it says it requres upstart
[22:50] <soee> yofel: postem short comment on that bug
[22:51] <soee> shall it be marked as confirmed >
[22:51] <soee> ?
[22:52] <yofel> soee: yes please
[22:53] <soee> done
[22:54] <yofel> oh great, thanks to ATI we have an xserver FFe again... Lets break things the day before final freeze <again>


[05:30] <stub`> cjwatson: I believe you can access the messages via the database connection after executing a statement, but I can't remember the details and never bothered.
[05:31] <stub`> One of many reasons to avoid stored procedures when possible :)


[01:26] <oly> can some one tell me how i can get a jaunty package ?
[01:26] <oly> i am after https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pythonmagick
[01:27] <oly> its currently broken but wanted to download and attempt to fix
[01:27] <oly> but not sure where i get the deb from
[01:27] <poolie> oly: you should be able to do 'apt-get source pythonmagick'
[01:29] <oly> lol, thats cool but confused me a little
[01:30] <oly> i was expecting to get a deb file, and just modify the files in the tar file
[01:30] <oly> beacuase its just complaining about a version miss match
[04:44] <maco> "bzr push lp:~maco.m/seahorse-plugins" tells me that ~maco.m isnt a valid project name instead of telling me i need a branch name on the end of it
[04:44] <spiv> jml: ^
[04:44] <maco> that's not a very intuitive error message
[04:45] <thumper> :)
[04:45]  * jml is hip deep in this code *right* *now*
[04:46] <spiv> jml: good thing I interrupted you then ;)
[04:46] <maco> #ubuntuforums people were like "did you commit?  did you do bzr launchpad-login? did you spell the username right?"
[04:46] <jml> maco: yeah, that does kind of suck
[04:47] <maco> (the answer the last one was "no" the first time i tried, but anyway....)
[04:47] <jml> maco: so, the thing is we allow lp:foo/bar to refer to the branch associated with a project's release series.
[04:47] <maco> so catch the ~
[04:47] <jml> maco: our error handling could and should be smart enough to notice the ~
[04:48] <jml> maco: hey look at that :)
[04:48] <maco> i didnt get dibs on "maco" on launchpad quickly enough
[04:48] <jml> maco: anyway, I'll file a bug about it.
[04:49] <maco> thanks
[04:50] <jml> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/345732
[04:52] <maco> thanks
[04:52] <maco> subscribed
[05:02] <johnjosephbachir> Good evening.
[05:05] <johnjosephbachir> Are there public urls for branches hosted on launchpad, where the user is not required to have a launchpad account to get code?
[05:17] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: hey there
[05:17] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: :-)
[05:18] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: I thought branches were public and anon-accessible by default.  Is that not what you're seeing?
[05:18] <johnjosephbachir> kfogel: hey karl
[05:19] <maco> should just be "bzr branch lp:project/branch"
[05:19] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: good to see you.  My conversation may be halting, as I am in an important co-debugging session with someone in another channel.
[05:19] <johnjosephbachir> hmm. well i just created a branch and pushed it to LP, and then wanted to test out the experience of retrieving it from another machine, and i'm getting some odd errors -- but the oddest thing is that the version of bzr on the other machine is 1.6.1.... which makes no sense (i thought the newest was 1.13?)
[05:19] <kfogel> ("important" == "they're donating their time to my non-profit, so I can't make them wait")
[05:20] <kfogel> oh
[05:20] <johnjosephbachir> kfogel: gotcha-- have fun : )
[05:20] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: couple of things going on here:
[05:20] <kfogel> So, one, bzr releases are frequent, so it's not at all unusual to see 1.6 installed
[05:20] <kfogel> that was only about 6 months ago
[05:21] <kfogel> Second, there is a known bug whereby after pushing a branch to LP, the LP UI may not show it right away (takes time to catch up), although it *should* be available via bzr right away.
[05:21] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: if those two facts don't explain what you're experiencing, then let's dig deeper.
[05:21] <maco> uh...i did have a problem where a branch said "empty" for months after it was pushed to, but it was still branchable. dunno if that was ever fixed. there's a bug somewhere
[05:22] <johnjosephbachir> kfogel maco: feel silly over here.. i forgot that it was versioning, and not math. i thought that 1.13 was smaller than 1.6 .....
[05:22] <maco> ah
[05:22] <johnjosephbachir> and my branch uses the newest format (super duper tree pack 1.9 or something)... so maybe i need to have the newest client?
[05:23] <johnjosephbachir> or is that only relevant to each repository
[05:23] <maco> yep
[05:23] <maco> that's very likely it
[05:23] <johnjosephbachir> Okay.
[05:23] <johnjosephbachir> thanks
[05:23] <maco> i sometimes think the reason ubuntu uses .04 instead of .4 is to avoid people thinking of math
[05:23] <maco> since .4 would be newer than .10...in math
[05:23] <johnjosephbachir> yep...
[05:24] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: yeah, bzr has some ... non-optimal inter-version compat behaviors right now, unfortunately.
[05:24] <maco> by which you mean being told to go update or no soup for you, right?
[05:24] <kfogel> the latest versions of bzr have vastly improved storage, but it comes at the cost of incompat with earlier versions, which (especially when you're not using "smart server") can actually mean things not working together
[05:25] <johnjosephbachir> Ok. Well I'll just blame my crappy distro for not caring enough about launchpad. (Ubuntu... err...)
[05:26] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: :-)
[05:27] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: I just run bleeding-edge bzr all the time
[05:27] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir: I think I owe you another mail with revctrl thoughts, btw -- sorry for the delay, this non-profit thing is taking off, but it's still not paying, which means I have to do it at night.
[05:29] <johnjosephbachir> kfogel: no prob. we can just talk about it over beer, i'll be in the city in early april
[05:29] <kfogel> !
[05:29] <kfogel> great, let's do that then
[06:33] <kfogel> johnjosephbachir, mac: ah, found it: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/94289
[06:39] <maco> johnjosephbachir: i do often wonder why bzr updates arent SRU'd in ubuntu
[06:45] <wgrant> maco: Because that would be playing favourites.
[06:45] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: You can 'bzr upgrade --1.6 lp:~path/to/branch' to get it readable by >= 1.6, with only a small performance hit.
[06:45] <maco> wgrant: but if you're developing for that release...
[06:45] <wgrant> maco: Then use a format compatible with that release, I suppose.
[06:46] <wgrant> Hopefully the format will stabilise soon.
[06:46] <wgrant> Rather than being bumped every 0.3
[06:46] <maco> heh well i know dtchen's running hardy
[06:46] <maco> im guessing he grabbed jaunty's source package and ran it through pbuilder though
[06:47] <wgrant> ~bzr's default PPA has it for all supported releases except Dapper, IIRC.
[06:48] <wgrant> That's one solution, but the other is to just keep using older formats.
[07:14] <thumper> maco: actually the SRU thing has been talked about
[07:14] <thumper> damn timing
[07:25] <wgrant> thumper: That was perfect!
[07:29] <Coke> Any chance of launchpad getting support for adding attachments to answers and/or bugs? Also, there was talk sometime June last year about adding screenshots to the project main page, last comment is really old and I cannot find it in any feature request or ongoing bug.
[07:29] <cody-somerville> Coke, both are possible now
[07:31] <Coke> cody-somerville: ?!
[07:31] <Coke> Sounds awesome.
[07:31] <cody-somerville> Indeed
[07:31] <Coke> So, I can add an image as attachment to an answer?
[07:32] <Coke> Because, what I really want is to demonstrate the result of the project and since there's no way to put up screenshots for the project I thought I'd just put it in an answer.
[07:33] <cody-somerville> You can't upload files to answers but you can bugs
[07:34] <Coke> Didn't you say "both"?
[07:34] <Coke> What else is possible aside from uploading to bugs?
[07:35] <cody-somerville> You can upload an image to the project's frontpage
[07:36] <wgrant> (bug attachments have been possible for many years)
[07:36] <wgrant> cody-somerville: NAFAIK
[07:36] <wgrant> Unless you mean the mugshot.
[07:36] <Coke> cody-somerville: do you mean the logo?
[07:36] <cody-somerville> Yea
[07:36] <cody-somerville> a number of projects use it for a screenshot
[07:37] <Coke> hmmmm
[07:37] <Coke> Meh. I'm rather unimpressed. :)
[07:57] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: thanks
[10:19] <bigjools> wgrant: did you file a bug about the oops you generated on the gnome-panel page?
[11:13] <wgrant> bigjools: No, sorry.
[11:13] <bigjools> wgrant: np I filed one
[11:13] <bigjools> I h8 unicode
[11:13] <wgrant> bigjools: Thanks.
[11:13] <wgrant> What was the problematic content?
[11:13] <bigjools> recent gnome-panel releases
[11:14] <bigjools> the binary package description has unicode in it
[11:14] <wgrant> How come that didn't break prod?
[11:14] <bigjools> it does :)
[11:15] <wgrant> bigjools: I can access the same URL but on production, and it doesn't OOPS.
[11:15] <bigjools> ah that's interesting
[11:15] <bigjools> that helps me know what the problem is then, thanks
[11:16] <wgrant> The pages look identical on both versions for other SPRs.
[11:16] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/1:2.26.0-0ubuntu3 works, see.
[11:16] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/1:2.26.0-0ubuntu3 does not.
[11:16] <bigjools> yep
[12:15] <BigMuscle> hello. I have again problems with BZR revision view: Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:15] <BigMuscle> URLs are:
[12:15] <BigMuscle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dcplusplus-team/dcplusplus/trunk/revision/1695
[12:15] <BigMuscle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dcplusplus-team/dcplusplus/trunk/revision/1694
[12:15] <BigMuscle> thanks for resolving :-)
[13:18] <AnAnt> Hello
[13:19] <noodles775> Hi AnAnt :)
[13:19] <AnAnt> can someone solve the question 62612 ?
[13:21]  * noodles775 looks
[13:26] <noodles775> Hi herb ! Would you be able to take a look at AnAnt's question?
[13:26] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/62612
[13:28] <noodles775> spm commented on it at the start of the month, but AnAnt can't move forward with the changes of names/lists until it's done.
[13:31] <herb> noodles775: I should be able to get to that soon.
[13:32] <AnAnt> thanks
[13:32] <noodles775> Great... thanks herb.
[15:20] <fta3> hi
[15:20] <fta3> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/62386
[15:20]  * noodles775 looks
[15:29] <noodles775> Sorry herb, do you know why fta3's ppa quota got set back to 3gb (from 7)?
[15:29] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/62386
[15:35] <herb> noodles775: I don't know why. I'll set it 5GB as the user requested.
[15:35] <noodles775> Thanks herb
[15:36] <fta3> thanks
[16:14] <calc> who do i ask to have my quota increased?
[16:14] <calc> i need to be bumped up to 4GB from 2GB
[16:15] <calc> cprov: istr it was you?
[16:17] <calc> actually 5GB should give me enough room to not need to ask again during karmic cycle
[16:18]  * calc needs the bump on the openoffices-pkgs ppa (not his personal one)
[16:18] <noodles775> Hi calc: add a question like this one:
[16:18] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/64316
[16:18] <calc> noodles775: ok
[16:18] <noodles775> and it'll get assigned to an admin.
[16:18] <calc> ok
[16:23] <calc> ok i ended up just reopening old question as it appears they didn't actually bump my quota like had been mentioned in it
[17:26] <jpds> Is there a way I can cancel a merge proposal?
[17:26] <jpds> Oh, there's a delete button, neat.
[18:42] <kfogel> Hey, I'm scouting around for interesting uses of the Launchpad APIs (usually via launchpadlib).  If anyone knows any off the top of their had, make a noise at me now please.
[18:46] <intellectronica> kfogel: BjornT has a really nice script that generates pages like https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionThreeDotO/Bugs/Progress/2.2.3
[18:47] <kfogel> intellectronica: thank you
[18:47] <intellectronica> kfogel: it's also worth asking bdmurray and thekorn
[18:48] <kfogel> intellectronica: I'm going to ask Bjorn if he can make that script link to itself where the generated output says "generated by a script".  That way people can quickly figure out how to do it themselves.
[18:48] <kfogel> oooooh
[18:48] <kfogel> intellectronica: that one is nice for screenshots, thx
[18:50] <kfogel> intellectronica: heh, thekorn was already on my list of people to ask, nice to have my worldview confirmed.  Didn't know about bdmurray.
[18:50]  * bdmurray is hurt
[19:02]  * Ampelbein gives bdmurray a cookie to cheer him up.
[19:14] <stousignant1> is there a reason why i can't make a search in the global bugs list in the api of launchpad ?
[19:19] <intellectronica> stousignant1: it's just not something the model currently support easily, and we never thought of a compelling use case.
[19:19] <intellectronica> stousignant1: what's yours?
[19:20] <stousignant1> search all bug that a certain team have subscribed
[19:20] <stousignant1> since our teams does a lot of general service, we can report bug in various project
[19:21] <stousignant1> so it would be a lot easier to search all bugs for a certain subscriber
[19:23] <intellectronica> stousignant1: searching bugs for a person (or team) is something that we do want to support at some point. that's a lot more specific than searching all projects. alas, not yet
[19:24] <intellectronica> stousignant1: see bug #282178
[19:26] <stousignant1> intellectronica: thank for the information, that exactly what i'm looking for. Any time frame we could see this bugs resolved ?
[19:27] <intellectronica> stousignant1: to be honest, i doubt that we'll be able able to schedule this before the summer. but it's good to know that people need this - we'll definitely consider part of the future wishlist
[19:29] <stousignant1> intellectronica: i'll subscribe my team to this bug and see what happen, Otherwise i'll need to iter every project in launchpad to get a hold of all the bugs we are subscribed and we don't want this overhead.
[19:30] <radix`> anyone have an idea why this vcs import is failing? https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/peppy/trunk
[19:30] <intellectronica> stousignant1: yes, i realise that can be tiresome and resource-intensive. feel free to also mark yourself as affected
[20:10] <calc> is there a way to see everything i am subscribed to and why?
[20:15] <kiko> calc, grep ^X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale from your mboxes is one way..
[20:28] <calc> kiko: ok
[20:29] <calc> kiko: i didn't know if there was a way to do that on launchpad via the user profile area
[20:31] <kiko> calc, there isn't a /gloooobal/ page for it
[20:33] <calc> kiko: ok
[20:33] <kiko> calc, one of the post-july things that's high on the list -- global subscriptions
[20:34] <CameronShorter_> Hi, I'm despot of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis and am attempting to move from an Open to a Closed project, and in the process, I want to remove members who are not actively involved (and suggest they move to our external email list). But I can't work out how to remove members.
[20:43] <calc> kiko: cool :)
[21:08] <oubiwann> hey guys, can someone approve my membership in the lp beta testers team?
[21:19] <beuno> oubiwann, done
[21:20] <oubiwann> beuno: thanks, man!
[21:20]  * oubiwann heads off to play with the api
[21:56] <twcook> My connection died during a push and now there is a lock in place.  When I try to use break-lock according to the output; I get an unsupported protocol error.  Any ideas?
[22:00] <twcook> The error is: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-45951632:///~oship-mgmt/oship/main/.bzr/branch/lock"
[22:00] <wgrant> twcook: Remove the -45951632
[22:00] <wgrant> bzr break-lock lp:~oship-mgmt/oship/main
[22:01] <twcook> wgrant: Thanks
[22:20] <sayakb> hello! is there a way that a team owner can remove a member from membership without getting the user listed under "deactivated" list?
[22:20] <wgrant> sayakb: No, unfortunately.
[22:21] <sayakb> wgrant: oh! :(
[22:21] <sayakb> ty
[22:21] <beuno> maybe we should just rename that to "people I hate"
[22:21] <beuno> or
[22:21] <beuno> not expose it so prominently on the UI
[22:22] <sayakb> beuno: pfft.. I am deactivating myself
[22:22] <beuno> because it's pretty useless information in general
[22:22] <sayakb> +1
[22:22] <beuno> so
[22:22] <beuno> if someone files a bug
[22:22] <wgrant> Or "people of whom I mistyped the username so never really wanted to add them at all, so get them the hell of my team page"
[22:22] <beuno> I'll make sure that gets done
[22:22] <wgrant> It's also great that the team page says 'inactive members'.
[22:22] <wgrant> They're not members, and even if they were, how does it know that they're inactive?
[22:23] <sayakb> beuno: I'd file a bug report. should it belong to registry?
[22:23] <wgrant> Yes.
[22:23] <sayakb> cool
[22:24] <beuno> ok guys
[22:24] <beuno> I'll miss you
[22:24] <beuno> but I'm off to my weekend
[22:24] <wgrant> beuno: Noooo!
[22:24] <wgrant> Bye.
[22:24] <sayakb> o/
[22:24] <beuno> wgrant, I'll be thinking UI though, don't worry
[22:24] <sayakb> have a nice weekend
[22:24] <beuno> you guys have fun
[22:24] <beuno> thanks
[22:34] <sayakb> beuno: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/346148
[22:37]  * sayakb catches some zzz
[22:38] <nhandler> beuno: I personally would not remove that feature all together. It sometimes is very useful being able to see who the old members of a team are. But maybe moving it off of the +members page would be better


[05:57] <Silverlion> good morning TGIF!
[06:38] <Silverlion> re
[06:47] <YoBoY> bonjour
[06:51] <Silverlion> YoBoY : good morning. excuse my bad behaviour
[06:52] <YoBoY> what are you talking about ? :)
[06:54] <Silverlion> YoBoY : letting you wait for five minutes before you get a response
[06:56] <YoBoY> it's IRC, I never expect an answer to a "good morning" :)
[06:57] <YoBoY> and you seem to be on a windows machine, so you can't be fast :D
[06:58] <Silverlion> YoBoY : how you know?
[06:58] <YoBoY> ⟽ Silverlion est parti (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org)
[06:58] <YoBoY> miranda-im is a windows only im client
[07:00] <Silverlion> well could be on wine, or not?
[07:00] <YoBoY> yes could be... but who the hell can use an multi protocol windows im client on a linux system who have so many good clients for that :D
[07:05] <Silverlion> YoBoY : i have a windows past
[07:05] <Silverlion> :D
[07:08] <YoBoY> I have a windows too on a virtual machine for only one program :]
[07:24] <Silverlion> YoBoY : :D sorry i am working from home office now
[07:24] <Silverlion> answers can take a while
[07:30] <bkerensa> :)
[07:31] <bkerensa> I'm kind of wondering what the Ubuntu Leadership Team is doing these days? :)
[07:31] <bkerensa> its been quiet for awhile
[07:32]  * philipballew wonders the same as bkerensa
[07:35] <bkerensa> I think akgraner passed the manual to someone in Canada who was going to have a look but thats the last I heard :D
[07:35] <bkerensa> she has been busy lately though =o
[07:36] <Silverlion> mornin' bkerensa
[07:36] <bkerensa> Good Morning Silverlion :D
[07:37] <YoBoY> we are all leading other teams, and time is not missing for this one
[07:37] <YoBoY> -not
[07:37] <bkerensa> indeed
[07:37] <bkerensa> :)
[07:37] <bkerensa> we all get very busy
[07:38] <Silverlion> YoBoY : yeah ... they have elected me for TL now as well :D
[07:38] <YoBoY> it's always the case for leaders ^^
[07:38] <bkerensa> Silverlion: For your LoCo?
[07:38] <bkerensa> :D
[07:38] <Silverlion> bkerensa : nope for Lubuntu-Comms
[07:38] <bkerensa> oh :)
[07:39] <bkerensa> Our LoCo doesn't yet have elections
[07:40] <Silverlion> bkerensa : well elections is nicely formulated ^^ they asked me and i had no chance to reject :D
[07:40] <bkerensa> lol
[07:40] <bkerensa> thats how I get most of my contributions in the community
[07:40] <bkerensa> people ask me
[07:41] <bkerensa> and my kindness or willingness prevents me from declining :P
[07:41] <head_victim> bkerensa: I used to be like that, then I started burning so I've stepped back into the core activites I enjoy so I don't burn out entirely :)
[07:42] <Silverlion> that is why i build my deputy-team around me ;)
[07:43] <bkerensa> head_victim: Yeah well luckily our LoCo has a Asst. Team Lead now
[07:43] <bkerensa> I think my LoCo work consumes the most time
[07:43] <head_victim> bkerensa: we only have a small handful of people that are active in the loco tbh and it's spread out over vast distances.
[07:43] <YoBoY> Silverlion: working with gillir ? :D
[07:43] <bkerensa> everyone always has questions :P sometimes I just have to get away from IRC otherwise the burn comes
[07:44] <Silverlion> YoBoY : why you ask
[07:44] <Silverlion> ?
[07:44] <YoBoY> it's a friend :)
[07:44] <head_victim> I sense a French connection ;)
[07:44] <YoBoY> sure ;)
[07:44] <bkerensa> head_victim: What loco are you with?
[07:44] <head_victim> Australian
[07:45] <head_victim> Ideally we'd like it split into states but realistically that would mean we'd have about one active member per state which isn't really maintainable.
[07:45] <head_victim> When we organise events we get 10 - 20 along (depending on the event) but the actual organisation and general running is handled by a small group.
[07:46] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:46] <YoBoY> head_victim: in france it's also a small group organising everything
[07:47] <bkerensa> Oregon and Washington have been trying for years to merge into a regional LoCo and at one point we were a regional LoCo but then a new council came in and said no more regional
[07:47] <bkerensa> ;p
[07:47] <bkerensa> so as a result Washington doesnt have much of anything going on and they just come down to do events with us
[07:47] <head_victim> bkerensa: ah that's a shame. People keep floating the idea of splitting our team up into states but they just don't understand, we have a small population and a large land mass. We have less people in our country than in a lot of US states.
[07:48] <head_victim> We're only around 20 million for the whole country last I checked.
[07:48] <bkerensa> yeah I think its unfortunate that sometimes it seems the council or powers that be do not realize the logistics of geography and variances in population
[07:49] <head_victim> Honestly, we have 2 maybe 3 of the 7 states that it might work for, the rest would disappear. So for me, keeping it as one for now is the only way.
[07:49] <YoBoY> our french point of view is : one loco to help every linux/ubuntu user group or other people organise events
[07:49] <bkerensa> Yeah :)
[07:51] <bkerensa> YoBoY: Have you had Ubuntu Cola?
[07:51] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola
[07:51] <YoBoY> some city have created ubuntu local team with our benediction and we are all working together. It's sometimes easier for users to identify to a smaller local group than a bigger country loco
[07:51]  * bkerensa is trying to find someone who knows where to get it
[07:51] <YoBoY> bkerensa: yes :)
[07:52]  * bkerensa needs export
[07:52] <bkerensa> lol
[07:52] <head_victim> YoBoY: yeah we have a couple of smaller groups that have 3 - 4 events a year together under the loco banner
[07:52] <YoBoY> some store sell it in Paris ^^"
[07:52] <bkerensa> :(
[07:52] <bkerensa> None in America
[07:52] <YoBoY> you can also buy it on internet I think
[07:53] <bkerensa> but they wont ship to U.S.
[07:53] <bkerensa> :(
[07:53] <bkerensa> Plus it would likely cost a fortune to ship
[07:53] <YoBoY> :]
[07:54] <bkerensa> It cost me so much to buy stuff from Canonical Store because they have heavy shipping from the UK and then U.S. Customs sits on items for a week
[07:54] <head_victim> Yeah I've made about 3 or 4 orders from the Canonical store. They're pretty pricey but then again, I see it as half support, half buying a product.
[07:57] <bkerensa> head_victim: I think if Ubuntu Foundation existed that it could do a good bit of funding for the cost of Ubuntu's Development
[07:57] <head_victim> bkerensa: you can already donate to the Ubuntu fund
[07:57] <head_victim> It's just not obvious.
[07:57] <head_victim> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[07:59] <bkerensa> Yeah but this goes to Canonical which is a company not to the Community
[08:00] <head_victim> Yeah but Canonical does heavily support the community. Our loco has had multiple conference packs both as approved and unapproved teams.
[08:01]  * philipballew has 2 in his hotel room right now
[08:01] <philipballew> SUCK ON THAT!
[08:01] <head_victim> philipballew: 2 what?
[08:01] <head_victim> bkerensa: http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/ has some pics of our last event.
[08:01] <bkerensa> Yeah but in the end Canonical owns Ubuntu and its Trademark
[08:01] <philipballew> confrence packs
[08:01] <bkerensa> so they are giving you free conf kits to promote something they hope to make money on
[08:01] <bkerensa> :)
[08:02] <bkerensa> dont get me wrong I love Ubuntu and the Community
[08:02] <bkerensa> but its like Wordpress and Automattic
[08:02] <head_victim> The community is the only reason I stuck with Ubuntu to be honest. I started on Fedora and got jack of it REAL quick.
[08:02] <bkerensa> people didnt like contributing to Wordpress because Automaticc held the trademark and owned the product even though it was open source
[08:02] <head_victim> Now I now linux a little I much rather apt based distro's anyway so happy to stay where I am for now.
[08:03] <bkerensa> in the end Automattic made the right decision and formed a foundation (wordpress.org) and transferred all rights to the foundation
[08:03] <bkerensa> so there is no commercial interest controlling it
[08:03] <bkerensa> heh
[08:03] <bkerensa> Yeah Fedora is eh :) it is what it is
[08:03] <head_victim> Ah ok, I don't know lots about politics, I try to avoid them outside of work as there's already too much of it there ;)
[08:11] <head_victim> bkerensa: I think the problem with the foundation idea is that sabdfl put in a lot of startup.
[08:11] <head_victim> And probably still does to this day if the reports of it still not being a commercial success are correct.
[08:17] <bkerensa> head_victim: Yes that is true but at the same time how many hundreds of people contribute to Ubuntu for free every year? :)
[08:18] <head_victim> bkerensa: depends on what Mark is in it for, perhaps when he's made his capital back he might. No idea though, purely speculation ;)
[08:18] <bkerensa> yeah
[08:18] <bkerensa> I think we will see the path coming in 13.04
[08:19] <bkerensa> I think Canonical is hoping/banking on Ubuntu being a success on TV's and Smartphones so they can get some enterprise support money there
[08:19] <head_victim> I'm pretty much the target audience for Ubuntu. I've got not IT training or experience and I've got to say, I don't mind Unity.
[08:19] <bkerensa> I dont mind Unity but I do use Classic on 12.04
[09:37] <Silverlion> wb philipballew
[09:37] <philipballew> Silverlion, whats wb mean dude?
[09:37] <Silverlion> w(elcome)b(ack)
[09:38] <Silverlion> better late then never, right?4
[09:59] <YoBoY> stupid question : abbreviations are not welcome on most of the french irc channels (mostly on the support channel), what's the rules of other teams about them ?
[10:03] <ashams> YoBoY, what abbreviations you mean?
[10:03] <YoBoY> like "wb" :)
[10:05] <ashams> heh, I can't live without such :) I think it's ok everywhere else
[10:06] <YoBoY> it is sometimes really hard to understand them
[10:29] <Silverlion> why dont we set up a dictionary for our community
[10:29] <Silverlion> so that those who cant live without can use them and others could translate?
[10:36] <YoBoY> well... each group develop their own abbreviations, for projects, for events, for fun. I think it's harder for a new comer to join a group if it's using too much abbreviations. In our french support case, with the "sms writing plague" it was decided to forbid them
[11:19] <head_victim> YoBoY: depends on context really. Most of the time announcing away and back are superfluous anyway.
[11:26] <YoBoY> head_victim: the wb is just an example, abbreviations can be harder
[11:26] <head_victim> YoBoY: I don't think it's a major drama in english speaking channels, it's possible it might get a bit different in other languages, I'm not really sure as I don't speak anything else.
[11:27] <YoBoY> :)


[00:43] <anastasiamac> a super easy one, plz \o/ https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7693
[01:01] <hml> anastasiamac: looking
[01:04] <hml> anastasiamac: just a tiny nit; looks okay to me
[01:08] <anastasiamac> hml: awesome \o/ ta... (i've ignored the comment since the alias still stayed but sure :D updated just for u...)
[01:09] <anastasiamac> ignored initially, i mean :D
[01:09] <hml> anastasiamac: ty!
[02:27] <babbageclunk> axw: Hey, any reason not to put go generate into the makefile install target for 1.25 upgrades?
[02:28] <babbageclunk> axw: I guess there wasn't any need for you since you weren't changing the underlying script?
[02:29] <axw> babbageclunk: no particular reason for or against doing that, I just went with the go native approach
[02:29] <axw> babbageclunk: unlikely to have to change it
[02:31] <babbageclunk> axw: ok, I'm going to add it for mine. Otherwise I'm probably going to forget a generate and then get really confused about why it's not working.
[02:31] <axw> babbageclunk: fair enough. feel free to change that one too if it's easy enough
[02:32] <babbageclunk> axw: oh hang on - I don't understand what you're saying.
[02:32] <axw> babbageclunk: I took what you said to mean you're going to add a makefile target for your thing
[02:34] <babbageclunk> axw: no, I meant I was going to run go generate ./commands from the install target (so I wouldn't forget to run it after changing the upgrade script).
[02:34] <axw> babbageclunk: oh ok, that sounds fine too
[02:34] <babbageclunk> cool
[02:35] <axw> unconditional make targets make me sad, but it's just a little project ;)
[04:00] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: if you get time before your eod, would love a review. but don't interrupt your 1.25 upgrade work if you're in the middle of something https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7694
[04:11] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sure - looking now
[04:11] <wallyworld> yay, ty
[05:02] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: reviewed
[05:02] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: awesome, thanks
[05:03] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: it will be used to populate status on the offering side
[05:03] <wallyworld> to show who is connected to each offer and what endpoint they are connected to
[05:04] <wallyworld> also to allow easy removal of remote relations on the offered side
[05:07] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: see if my explanation in the PR makes sense
[05:12] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: How can you use it in status on the offering side? Will the consuming side push the information to the offering controller?
[05:13] <wallyworld> the collection containing the details of who is connected to an offer is set up in the register relation api call
[05:13] <wallyworld> s/set up/populated
[05:14] <wallyworld> and register relation comes from the consumer side
[05:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: OHH, I misread it as being stored in the consuming side.
[05:14] <wallyworld> it's messy for sure
[05:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: But it's actually in the offering side, in a different facade from where the macaroon is minted. Ok, that makes more sense.
[05:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, ok that makes sense then.
[05:16] <wallyworld> yeah. and the macaroon will gain a Location URL which will be used to discharge the 3rd party caveat that the user has access to the offer
[05:16] <wallyworld> but thta's not done yet
[05:16] <wallyworld> for controller->controller it will be a local url
[05:16] <wallyworld> on the offering controller
[05:17] <babbageclunk> ok
[05:21] <babbageclunk> axw: ping?
[05:22] <axw> babbageclunk: pong, sorry was riding
[05:22] <axw> oh that was a minute ago... not sorry ;p
[05:24] <babbageclunk> ha!
[05:25] <babbageclunk> axw: Actually I think I've answered my own question
[05:25] <axw> yay
[05:26] <babbageclunk> axw: Having some confusion over whether the permission denied I'm getting was because I couldn't read the system identity or create the destination dir, but I think it's the latter.
[05:27] <axw> babbageclunk: okey dokey. everything runs through sudo, so shouldn't be the former
[05:27] <axw> but then... shouldn't be the latter either...
[05:27] <axw> babbageclunk: FYI I have a backup-lxc PR up: https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade/pull/8. no rush to review. I'm working on the lxc-to-lxd command now
[05:28] <babbageclunk> well, this is on the hop from the state-server machine to the other machines, so I think it's connecting as ubuntu
[05:28] <babbageclunk> axw: oh, ok - I'll take a look in a bit.
[05:28] <axw> ah ok
[05:28] <babbageclunk> axw: or I might look tomorrow morning if it's no difference to you?
[05:28] <axw> babbageclunk: it can wait till tomorrow if you'd prefer not to context switch
[05:28] <axw> yep
[05:28] <babbageclunk> ok cool
[22:17] <rick_h> axw: morning
[23:01] <wallyworld> rick_h: andrew will be online soon. thanks for the excellent storage feedback
[23:01] <rick_h> wallyworld: all good, I wanted to see what i was missing for the --attach-storage stuff so I can move forward some more and maybe cover it for juju show material tomorrow. I'll chill out and be patient. :)
[23:02] <wallyworld> rick_h: yeah, that should have worked
[23:03] <rick_h> wallyworld: yea, I was wondering if there's a FF or something that was left out of the blog post/docs or something? It's not in the juju deploy --help or anything so it's like it's not there.
[23:03] <wallyworld> rick_h: yeah, weird. just joining a new meeting, so will be distracted
[23:04] <rick_h> wallyworld: all good, I'll be patient. ty


[00:41] <TheMuso_Boston> 1/c
[00:41] <TheMuso_Boston> ugh
[02:39] <pkh> i'm trying to update the current sierra usb-serial driver and running into some problems -- if this is the wrong place, then sorry (and could you suggest a more appriate channel?)
[02:39] <chuck_> #ubuntu
[02:42] <pkh> zul, any chance of a really quick qn here?  the build is failing in the jiffies.h include file before even getting to the main sierra code...
[02:43] <pkh> i find anything more complicated than 'how do I enable desktop effects' or 'how do I play a dvd' are too in depth there...
[04:53] <fuzzy> is there a howto somewhere that will show me how to basically rebuild the linux source tree for gutsy in /usr/src so I can use it to compile a module?
[04:53] <fuzzy> headers aren't going to be enough alone
[05:29] <pkh> what is the procedure to get later versions of a kernel driver (sierra.c) included in the ubuntu kernel?  it's at 1.0.6 but 1.2.5c is the latest.  i've successfully built and used 1.2.5c (and added a new model to it's list -- which I need to find out how to get my changes included as well...)
[06:44] <fdv> FuzzyB: are you looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile ?
[06:44] <FuzzyB> i think that will work thanks fdv
[06:46] <fdv> FuzzyB: np. let me know if you find out how to add something to EXTRAVERSION using the debian/rules approach :)
[06:47] <FuzzyB> i will right now i'm trying to get something sane with open-iscsi+xen for open solaris iscsi targets to work correctly
[06:47] <fdv> I don't envy you ;)
[06:49] <FuzzyB> nor does anyone else that's already seen the answer to my bug query on the open-iscsi mailing lists
[06:49] <FuzzyB> and i guess the bug is very minor
[06:50] <fdv> :(
[06:51] <FuzzyB> yea
[06:51] <fdv> I guess my problem is slightly more mainstream. moving to SLUB caused 2.6.22-14 to break suspend with the fglrx module (ati GPUs), which I guess affects most thinkpad users..
[07:24] <fdv> FuzzyB: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild might also come in handy, btw
[07:25] <FuzzyB> thx
[07:25] <FuzzyB> i think this is going to work though
[07:25] <FuzzyB> i found what i was missing
[07:25] <FuzzyB> apt-get source .......
[07:25] <fdv> great :)
[07:25] <fdv> I don't think there's a simple way to avoid name clashes, though..
[07:26] <fdv> but if you're building a custom kernel anyhow, that might be of no consequence
[07:27] <FuzzyB> i don't want to do that
[07:27] <FuzzyB> i just want enough of the current running kernel to compile these modules correctly
[07:28] <fdv> ah, right
[07:28] <fdv> so you're not even going to use it :)
[07:28] <FuzzyB> i hope not
[07:28] <fdv> (or run it)
[07:28] <FuzzyB> i will if i need too
[07:29] <FuzzyB> but frankly i'm trying to be as un custom as possible
[07:29] <FuzzyB> if i can just build the binaries i can post them with my howto
[11:59] <abogani> @seen BenC
[12:00] <zul> probably not up yet
[12:13] <zul> cool http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/11/1/377768
[12:13] <Kano> hi, why did nobody answer to the mailinglist suggestion of the raid 5 patch
[12:20] <Kano> there ARE lots of bug entries already
[12:20] <Kano> not from me,but they are there
[13:33] <Daviey> Is the roundtable currently happening?
[13:41] <Nafallo> Daviey: Fujitsu said he was on that, so yea.
[13:45] <zul> BenC: have a look at that link I sent earlier to #-kernel it might able to help out for debugging suspend issues
[13:45] <BenC> didn't see it
[13:46] <zul> ill resend it when I get back up to my desk
[13:46] <BenC> zul: did you see where xen paravirt is an option in 2.6.24-git?
[13:47] <zul> BenC: not really...but no other distro is using xen paravirt for 2.6.24 (ie novell,redhat)
[13:47] <BenC> No, I mean it's in the kernel upstream
[13:48] <zul> yeah, I am saying that no distro is shipping it
[13:48] <zul> its not in the paravirt-ops options?
[13:49] <Daviey> BenC: I tried the 2.6.24 tree yesterday, and it's still very much 2.6.22 .  How soon do you think the rebasing will really kick off?
[13:50] <BenC> Daviey: it's in progress
[13:50] <Daviey> woot
[13:51] <Daviey> thanks
[14:07] <zul> BenC: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/11/1/377771 <-- this iw what I was talking about
[14:19] <zul> whoever blew there nose not do it into the speaker so my eardrums do rupture again, thanks
[21:24] <sioux> hi folks
[21:24] <sioux> little problem with rt kernel
[21:25] <sioux> no build folder in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-rt
[21:25] <sioux> I can not compile kernel modules
[21:27] <mjg59> Have you installed the headers?
[21:28] <sioux> yes
[21:28] <mjg59> Hm
[21:28] <sioux> nvidia is ok
[21:29] <sioux> sudo make clean and sudo make distclean under /usr/src/v4l-dvb$  is ok
[21:30] <sioux> but sudo make ko
[21:30] <sioux> File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-rt/build/.config at ./scripts/make_kconfig.pl line 32, <IN> line 4.
[21:30] <sioux> with non rt kernel is ok
[21:31] <sioux> :-(
[21:32] <sioux> the problem is saa7134_dvb: Unknown symbol videobuf_dvb_unregister
[21:34] <sioux> sudo modprobe saa7134_dvb gives Invalid module format
[21:34] <sioux> so I need to recompile all saa7134 modules for rt kernel