[04:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> everyone had a nice weekend?
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse had a good weekend?
[06:45] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - ok, thanks, and you?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> great here ducasse sunny and pretty active
[06:46] <ducasse> same here, going to be another hot day
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:50] <ducasse> does it get hot in the kitchen?
[06:51] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:53] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - how are you doing?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah belgium is always 'heavy' heat due humidity
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> in dryer countrys like spain, its more lightweight
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> not far from the sea here neither
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:43] <JimBuntu> yo BluesKaj , I hope you are having a great morning.
[10:43] <daftykins> \o
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hey JimBuntu , good so far, with morning coffee. How about you?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hey daftykins
[10:45] <JimBuntu> Good here so far, refilled my tea, ready to rock
[10:46] <BluesKaj> gonna give powerline ethernet a try sometime today. if the adapter kit is delivered on time.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> just an elcheapo, but according to what i've read they work quite well.
[10:50] <JimBuntu> Thay can work well, especially if the circuit is all within the same circuit breaker. I haven't used the tech in quite a while, ince upon a time X10 made great stuff using it.
[10:51]  * JimBuntu realizes it's probably been 20 years....
[10:54] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, i've read that they can work thru sub or pony panels too...we're gonna try it in my band mates garage/jam space. if it doesn't work there I'll just set it up here for my old bedroom pc
[10:55] <JimBuntu> I am sure they have made vast improvements since I last used it. That, mixed with a wireless mesh could be amazing.
[10:55] <Allie`> BluesKaj: which kit are you using? i find the expensive TP-link one to be actually pretty competitive
[10:56] <Allie`> shame it doesn't support VLANs yet :P
[10:56] <BluesKaj> it's the cheapest tp-link available
[10:57] <Allie`> yeah, they're a good start
[10:58] <JimBuntu> I can't wait until aprtment complex owners start using this instead of WiFi... or hotels.
[11:01] <BluesKaj> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5034_TL-PA4010-KIT.html
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hospitals can't due to the clean power restrictions they have on their circuits
[11:04] <daftykins> wireless mesh is a fad imo, why hop wirelessly when you can just lay a cable/use powerline and put access points on the end :)
[11:09] <JimBuntu> daftykins, my stuff is mainly wired, less a laptop and tablets.
[11:26] <BluesKaj> same
[11:29] <daftykins> oh yeah i do too, but i'm really commenting on the industry there - as these mesh setups seem to be gaining popularity with some
[11:30] <daftykins> granted the situation becomes very different when you don't have the option to lay cable, such as if you're renting perhaps - but eh
[11:30]  * daftykins sips a flat white
[11:35] <JimBuntu> daftykins, help a western bloke out, what's a "flat white" ? Is that a non-sparkling wine... or perhaps a coffee of sorts?
[11:35] <daftykins> a coffee! must admit i have no idea what it's premise is though, i just see it on the menu and it tastes ok :>
[11:36] <JimBuntu> Ah, ok. I imagine that it has a fair amount of cream in it.... hence the "white" label.
[11:37] <JimBuntu> I was thinking "It's a bit ealry for wine, outside of France, that is."
[11:40] <guiverc> it's nearly 22:40 by my clock; you're welcome to use my clock JimBuntu :)
[11:40] <JimBuntu> guiverc, I knew you were far away, didn't realize you were that far.
[11:41] <daftykins> hehe
[11:41] <JimBuntu> Kiwi?
[11:42] <guiverc> nah - aussie :)  (melbourne)
[11:42] <JimBuntu> OMGosh, please tell me you are on FiJi!
[11:42] <daftykins> ooh, a mate lived there for a couple of years
[11:43] <JimBuntu> Oh, Ok. So many Aussies on IRC. It's disproportionate.
[11:43] <daftykins> when i was a kid everyone online seemed to be a teenager from California
[11:43] <BluesKaj> yup, lots of the 5 eyes
[11:44] <Allie`> daftykins: flat white is a latte with less milk
[11:44] <JimBuntu> is that 2 for regular looking, BluesKaj , and 3 for all the things that wanna kill you?
[11:44]  * Allie` doesn't like a lot of milk in their coffee but also doesn't drink espresso for breakfast :P
[11:44] <guiverc> maybe the clock in this room is wrong :(   i turned off my second screen that has the clock on it; so was going by the time on the clock-radio in the room - it's suddenly an hour earlier ! sorry
[11:44] <JimBuntu> guiverc,  no worries, I figured my maths was off.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> they had cheap long dustance phone rates in calif
[11:45] <daftykins> Allie`: ah-ha
[11:45] <JimBuntu> Allie, I had a request in to my wifes friend from London to determine what a flat white was... need to cancel that ticket, lol
[11:46] <Allie`> :P
[11:46] <Allie`> one of the better trendy coffees, imo
[11:46] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
[11:46] <daftykins> i live about 10m from our 'high street' in the centre of town, so i'm spoilt by many cafe options for a takeaway lunch :)
[11:46] <guiverc> maybe its the long distances in aussieland - irc is a way to speak to your neighbor  (you know the one 12km down the road......)   [not me; I'm in the suburbs of a big city... like most I bet)
[11:48] <JimBuntu> How is it... that *I* end up being the one living far from the cities, even when talking to Aussies?!
[11:48] <guiverc> many benefits (probably) living in city daftykins, but I like wildlife, like trees so glad I'm not in a city :)
[11:49] <daftykins> oh it's not a city, i'm on a small island :)
[11:49] <guiverc> You're just lucky JimBuntu - i'm often thinking of moving further away from the city; this used to be the 'outskirts' of the city; alas hasn't been for years...
[11:49] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/xVUE4DMHLyt <--
[11:50] <JimBuntu> guiverc, we are also thinking of moving, as people keep moving closer. Perhaps it's time for that remote park ranger job.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I'm 400KM North of Toronto, practically the North Pole  the way they see things , most city ppl I know are geographically challenged :-)
[11:51] <JimBuntu> Geez daftykins , you might as well be IN France! Lucky dog.
[11:51] <daftykins> short ferry ride ;)
[11:51] <daftykins> i might try and drop by Toronto later this year when i come over stateside again
[11:52] <guiverc> i live in an island too :) alas not small... daftykins
[11:52] <BluesKaj> best of bothworlds eh daftykins
[11:52] <daftykins> been meaning to meet up with two of the guys i chat to there
[11:52] <guiverc> park ranger job sounds cool Jim :)
[11:53] <JimBuntu> guiverc, It's been a bit of a dream for the wifey and I.  We almost did it before the urge for kiddies set in. Be those people who watch out for forest fires &c
[11:54] <JimBuntu> This convo is on-topic because I just said "Ubuntu", btw
[11:54] <daftykins> there's a game of that :) http://www.firewatchgame.com/
[11:55] <daftykins> hehehe
[11:55] <guiverc> :)  yeah I too would love that job; alas not the $s of other choices I fear...
[11:55] <JimBuntu> This machine I use for IRC is so maxed out on resources, took like 30 seconds to load the URL, lol, thanks Ubuntu for keeping this machine useful
[11:55] <BluesKaj> I live on the edge of the forest here in my little town ..well a few farms etc but a lot of bush and lakes too
[11:55] <daftykins> step 1 lay fiber to the watch tower, step 2 work for years to pay it off
[11:56] <JimBuntu> I have heard of this game. Didn't remember until I saw the front page.
[11:56] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, You too are lucky. Wherever I go, I don't want my walk to a large river to be any longer than now... 300 paces is enough for me.
[11:57] <guiverc> 300 paces isn't much, if the river floods though.... (don't you suffered floods?)
[11:58] <daftykins> maybe 299 are downhill :D
[11:58] <guiverc> hill would help somewhat !
[11:58] <JimBuntu> guiverc,  We do not suffer, luckily, about 200 of those paces are down a steep hill.
[11:58] <daftykins> called it \o/ :D
[11:58] <JimBuntu> yup, daftykins !
[11:59] <guiverc> :)  I recall lots of helping family after floods, they lived near rivers, and remember the sandbags etc each year...
[11:59] <JimBuntu> There are homes about 1.5 km away... that are built about 3 feet above the average water level of the lake that is fed from the river.... they suffer, about every year
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yeah i'm about  half a KM from a river in one direction and about 2KM from a lake in the other
[12:00] <BluesKaj> but were a good 20M above the river here
[12:02] <JimBuntu> I like living near the water, just about the right distance from the lake... since it's an all-sports lake... a.k.a. Party Lake that has lots of noise come summer.
[12:03] <JimBuntu> I need to request some official Ubuntu pamphlets. I could pass them out or leave a floating thingy on the lake.  Yes, yes they would.
[12:05] <daftykins> guaranteed :D
[12:05] <guiverc> Yep most would...
[12:05] <daftykins> when i was working in a school once, a colleague plugged in a students one and hosed the machine he worked from - before he left for the day he kicked it off on a reinstall xD
[12:05] <daftykins> i always had a Linux laptop beside me for tinkering so i'd have just sorted it out that way
[12:06] <JimBuntu> I'm the paranoid one... so a while back when I was at HQ and required a couple people to bring me flash drives for key exchanges... they made sure to wipe/zero their drives and were hesitant to plug them into their systems,lol
[12:09] <JimBuntu> "He could be testing us, protocol says we have to scan these first, for malware..."
[12:09] <BluesKaj> the wonderful MSWindows environment
[12:10] <daftykins> there's nothing wrong with it, just a lot of idiots who can't even drive it properly :)
[12:10] <JimBuntu> These were Mac users, but same difference.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> they're bit safer, but probly snobby cool
[12:11] <daftykins> have to be wealthy to pay 5x more for older hardware :D
[12:11] <JimBuntu> lol. daftykins  that's all our company used for non-cloud machines.
[12:11] <JimBuntu> s/used/uses
[12:12] <daftykins> dishing out macbook pros to staff, is it?
[12:12] <JimBuntu> Yessir
[12:13] <daftykins> i'm sure it minimises the efforts of support a fair amount, but the way Apple has moved to soldered on SSDs means there's a fair few more considerations for keeping a staffers data safe
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ran into a few of those at a party ..told them about how mostly every app on linux is free ...by the looks I was getting I could tell they didn'tn beleive it
[12:13] <JimBuntu> daftykins, I am with you 1000%. I don't mind not having to answer Windows questions any more though.
[12:14] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I am the ugly duckling... as I use Ubuntu instead of macOS. I don't bother trying to convert staff though.
[12:15] <daftykins> it doesn't really matter that it's free in cost, because it takes you time to convert - so it depends what your time is worth :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I don't bother trying to convert my friends, most are phone addicted now anyway
[12:16] <BluesKaj> even the older guys like me
[12:16] <daftykins> mmm i see a lot that aren't bothering with a PC anymore
[12:16] <daftykins> i think it's because typically their PCs are crap and run badly, but since they may've needed a phone anyway they now have a pretty fast experience with a smartphone
[12:16] <daftykins> oh man, this tale may amuse you folks
[12:16] <JimBuntu> mobile is where it's at... bring on the masses of Ubuntu phones already
[12:17] <daftykins> one of my clients left a flash drive with some important data on it down in their holiday home abroad - so they asked a friends son if he wouldn't mind copying the data from it and sending it
[12:17] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, i thought Canaonical gave up on the Ubuntu Phone
[12:17] <daftykins> he used WinRAR, created a spanned archive (for no apparent reason) then shared it across some weird Spanish encrypted file sharing service xD
[12:18] <daftykins> but instead of being a single email it was one email per spanned archive, so she had no idea what to do and called me in
[12:18] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I suggest they re-up on it... it's either that, or play follow the leader like Android.
[12:18] <daftykins> cue me piecing together these multiple emails to get them back together - then there was a password across the archive too, sheesh - that lad needs a lesson in practical approaches :>
[12:18] <JimBuntu> daftykins, lol. WinRAR... I always liked ARJ
[12:19] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, if the phone was affordable , I'd probly buy one
[12:19] <daftykins> not familiar with that one, though i've heard of an ARC recently which is meant to be a Linux implementation for choosing the best tech out of zip/rar/7zip
[12:20] <daftykins> imo phones aren't about the initial cost, it's whether the software will keep getting supported
[12:20] <JimBuntu> nice, as they do have their differences. 7zip is becoming the standard, imho
[12:21] <BluesKaj> daftykins, I don't use aphone for much other than as a phone with a camera :-)
[12:22] <daftykins> i think that's the way it starts, but once more things become convenient you never know, you might begin reaching for it for more! :D
[12:23] <BluesKaj> well ido google some things when we get into music discussions at our jams
[12:24] <daftykins> :D
[12:24] <BluesKaj> who wrote that tune etc
[12:26] <BluesKaj> just to settle disagreements mostly, because we have a lot of those ...fortunatly one our guitar players is a walking encyclopedia about rock and country
[12:29] <BluesKaj> he and his brothers used to get into fist fights over who wrote this and that ...had break them up more than once :-)
[12:29] <daftykins> haha, bit petty
[12:30] <BluesKaj> no it was serious business to them
[12:31] <BluesKaj> one of them still has over 5000 vinyl albums in his collection
[12:31] <daftykins> yikes
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yup, 4 or 5 albums every payday foryrs
[12:34] <BluesKaj> anyway it's still nice to hear vinyl despite the odd crackle and pop
[12:35] <daftykins> i've never heard one on a proper setup, but having heard you have to actually clean the things to ensure playback is good - that's me out instantly
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yeah no digital sampling correction there..and .analog has become expensive now
[12:48] <BluesKaj> speaking of phones tho, I'll be in the market for one soon, this little alcatel is too small for my fingers
[12:53] <daftykins> ah har
[12:54] <daftykins> after something simple, or will you be forced to move to a smartphone?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> well, it is a smartphone, but it's using a realy old android OS and it has a small screen
[12:58] <daftykins> ah right
[12:58] <BluesKaj> alcatel idle one mini
[12:59] <BluesKaj> err idol one :-)
[13:00] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <daftykins> i just chose the moto g6 play dual SIM for someone
[13:00] <daftykins> she's finally retiring her 2009 nokia 7020 flip phone
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i had a moto flip phone til about 3 yrs ago
[13:03] <BluesKaj> til my wife lost it , so i bought a new one and the same day she found the moto in the bottom her purse :-)
[13:03] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.ca/Motorola-XT1922-5-Factory-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B07CHWTWYP/
[13:04] <daftykins> yikes that was only £150 here
[13:04] <daftykins> ah marketplace seller, eww
[13:04] <BluesKaj> the new one  was the little alcatel at 100bucks
[13:08] <BluesKaj> daftykins, our buck is only 78 cents US ...the money markets love screwing us, because our currency is like petro dollar to them
[13:08] <daftykins> mmm, we use England's pound so i was on xe.com converting it :>
[13:08] <daftykins> came out to £190 so not too far off but still a large %
[13:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:10] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj,  one of the small joys of not bring retired... I haven't payed for a phone in ~20 years
[13:10] <JimBuntu> s/bring/being
[13:11] <BluesKaj> some of the US rust belt border cities accept our dollar at par just to increase their business
[13:11] <JimBuntu> Wow, I haven't heard of that in a long time.
[13:12] <BluesKaj> buffa for examplelo and detroit
[13:12] <BluesKaj> buffalo
[13:12] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:12] <daftykins> a mate lives in Sault Ste Marie, he says the folks over the bridge pop over for some low tax shopping :D
[13:14] <BluesKaj> oh yeah, lots ...the Ontario "Soo" as it's known locally keeps the Michigan side going
[13:14] <daftykins> *nod*
[13:15] <daftykins> and i thought us Guernsey folk had people beat for pronouncing things nowhere near how they're written
[13:15] <BluesKaj> altho the stell plant on the ontario side is gonna suffer duie to Trumps misguided idiotic 25% tarif on steel
[13:16] <BluesKaj> scuse the poor spelling, guess spellcheck was turned off
[13:20] <JimBuntu> I don't worry about such things here.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, you're a pretty good speller..so am I usually, but my typing skills suck :-)
[13:23] <JimBuntu> Thanks, my typing skills could use improving. Although I type fairly well by touch only, I still find myself looking down way too often.
[13:25] <daftykins> i never got good at the number row's symbols touch typing, but i type fine enough without a glance
[13:26] <BluesKaj> my 9th grade typing teacher gave me a passing grade in her class as long as I didn't elect her class the next yr :-)
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> I'm a great touch typist, my issue is I often switch the meaning of my sentence unintentionally by forgetting my word contractions
[13:30] <JimBuntu> "Keyboarding" class... lol. That was fun. Teacher hated that I didn't use the "home row"... I use the wrong fingers for so many things. I type with basically 4 fingers and 1 thumb. with the other thumb held down as an achor.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> despite being taught the touch typing technique I'm still a hant and peck guy
[13:31] <BluesKaj> hunt and peck  ;-)
[13:31] <JimBuntu> hant and peck + hunt and peck = haunt and peck! Sounds super fun to me!
[13:31] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm haunted by it
[13:32] <JimBuntu> boogie woogie boo
[13:32] <daftykins> yeah i won't be told how to type either, just do it
[13:33] <JimBuntu> I learned my typing skills as a youngster using the Commodore 64, that keyboard was big for my wee hands at the time. Muscle Memory is hard to retrain it seems.
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> I don't use the right fingers for most of the keys. I use the finger that is closest to the key I need at the time I need it... sometimes it's the right finger for the key, sometimes it's not. My left pinky is almost always anchored on shift though
[13:35] <daftykins> same :D
[13:36] <daftykins> i do have to giggle if i see folk who toggle caps lock for a single cap
[13:36] <JimBuntu> I shattered my right pinky as a child ( nothing soft about softball ) as a young'one. So I don't use it for anything. Crushed bone only heals to much.
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> I've done that when I'm single hand typing. what irks me the most is Lenovo keyboards though. swapping the function key and the ctrl key around
[13:37] <JimBuntu> I know your pain pragmaticenigma, when it comes to Lenovos... try mixing Lenovo + MacBook + normal...
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> I find the swap more annoying on the laptops... regular keybaord doesn't bother me as much.
[13:40] <daftykins> as long as i've got super and my alts, i'm good :>
[13:40] <BluesKaj> I really didn't start using a keyboard until the early 80s when my job required using instrument application based computers, so learning to type again (even hunt and peck) at 40 wasn't much fun.
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> I've never had much luck with the super in linux... just doesn't always seem to work, even with standard simple keyboards
[13:47] <JimBuntu> Really? I don't use it much, only to bring up Dash search, once in a blue moon... but it works for me in that respect. I can't speak outside of Ubuntu though as I decided a number of years ago not to play with other distros ( unless I build them myself ).
[13:53] <BluesKaj> build from scratch JimBuntu or build like gentoo?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> trying gentoo 10 yrs ago was a (WTF?) mistake, it scared nme off for life i thinkl
[14:02] <BluesKaj> as the saying goes, no country for old men :-)
[14:06] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, Build from scratch or BuildRoot type stuff
[14:06] <daftykins> i find it an inefficient use of resources, conceptually
[14:07] <JimBuntu> daftykins, Gentoo, for sure. For embedded systems with highly limited resources, it's OK
[14:07] <daftykins> *nod*
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, never seen icons freeze in the task manager before..had to reboot
[14:08] <hggdh> late morning to all. Thunderstorm woke me, thank the gods
[14:09] <JimBuntu> Great morning hggdh !
[14:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning hggdh
[14:10] <BluesKaj> a cold rainy day here
[14:10] <hggdh> a hot rainy day here :-)
[14:11] <hggdh> or, in other words: Texas sucks
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Northern Ontario isn't much fun right now either, swarming with blackflies this time of yr..mosuitos will be here next :/
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mosquitos even
[14:13] <daftykins> :S
[14:13] <daftykins> so glad we don't get many
[14:13] <BluesKaj> and we have the 10 yr cycle of the tent caterpillar swarms too
[14:14] <BluesKaj> some birds love it , other won't touch them
[14:14] <BluesKaj> others
[14:14] <hggdh> I put a fly trap in the backyard last week, it is still going, and now has about 3cm of dead flies in it
[14:14] <hggdh> (I mean depth)
[14:14] <daftykins> wowzer
[14:15] <EriC^> what is this fly trap?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> but one good thing, I've seen a lot more bees than in past yrs
[14:16] <EriC^> crap i cant even type anymore, both my wrists have 2cm balls swollen on each side of my palm O.o
[14:18] <EriC^> can one use a gpu with a laptop?
[14:19] <JimBuntu> EriC^,  external GPU? Sure can.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> there are outboard gpus
[14:19] <EriC^> how difficult is it?
[14:19] <EriC^> what do i search for to buy?
[14:21] <JimBuntu> As far as I have heard, it's basically plug and play as much as any internal GPU. Simply need to install the correct module(s). afaik, no worse than normal NVidia headaches.
[14:21] <daftykins> well you first have to check if you have thunderbolt / express card
[14:23] <BluesKaj> EriC^, this has an annoying video accompanying the text , but it looks useful https://www.pcworld.com/article/2984716/laptop-computers/how-to-transform-your-laptop-into-a-gaming-powerhouse-with-an-external-graphics-card.html
[14:24] <EriC^> it seems you connect it to the place the wifi card is usually connected in the laptop
[14:24] <EriC^> does that make sense?
[14:25] <JimBuntu> sounds like an express port
[14:25] <daftykins> no it doesn't
[14:25] <EriC^> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q4VMLF6/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
[14:25] <JimBuntu> lol, this computer is so slow right now.... fully utilized resources.
[14:26] <JimBuntu> Yup, mini-PCI Express connection. That's dope.
[14:26] <daftykins> honestly it would make far more sense to just buy a cheap older generation desktop
[14:26] <daftykins> that's a really terrible idea :)
[14:26] <EriC^> it's only $50 though
[14:27] <JimBuntu> but, I like lots of fragile cables running out of my "netbook" lol
[14:27] <EriC^> motherboard + ram + hdd + i7 cpu would cost like $500+
[14:27] <EriC^> i could run it on the older hp laptop i have, it's an i7 4core with 6gb ram and an ssd
[14:27] <daftykins> but you don't need to buy new is what i just said
[14:27] <EriC^> ah i cant find used stuff here easily
[14:28] <hggdh> EriC^: it is  a plastic packet with an entry point, and some powder insider. You fill it half-way with water, and hang outside
[14:28] <daftykins> nah it's totally impractical, even if you did have the slot and the design of your laptop let you trail the cable outside - you've got to know that you only get about 75% of the performance of a graphics card when attached externally - and that's with proper thunderbolt enclosures
[14:28] <EriC^> hggdh: aha, pretty effective
[14:28] <EriC^> oh
[14:29] <EriC^> thought itd be 100%
[14:29] <daftykins> you have to buy a graphics card *and* a desktop PSU to run that adapter you linked, too
[14:29] <hggdh> indeed it is. More than I expected. Side result, though, is that it seems the flies call their friends to the party. So you have to hang the packet farther from the door...
[14:29] <daftykins> i would be willing to bet both Linux and Windows would be nightmares to run with that, too
[14:30] <EriC^> heh
[14:30] <EriC^> this is a crazy idea, i wonder if i could use the ps4 gpu to game on the pc
[14:31] <daftykins> well the game is on the consoles too, be easier to just play it there :)
[14:32] <EriC^> i dont like the controller in it, i tried hooking up a keyboard and it kinda works it lags a little though
[14:33] <EriC^> (the mouse lags)
[14:34] <daftykins> mmm not designed for it
[14:34] <EriC^> yeah
[14:35] <daftykins> there's the software that lets you use your PS4 over the network from a PC too, but i don't know what influence that has on input devices
[14:37] <EriC^> right, brb
[22:46] <oerheks> AI gets better every full moon
[22:51] <hggdh> heh
[22:53] <tomreyn> artificial lack of intelligence.
[22:54] <oerheks> hggdh and tomreyn: Hi and thanks for your reply. ... Answer or reply soon. Thanks again : )
[22:54] <hggdh> perhaps this is why he got booted from the mint channels?
[22:56] <oerheks> Noooooooooooooo... mint channels never ban AFAIK
[22:56] <nacc> theh are just saying they won't go back, not clear if they've been kicked to me
[22:57] <hggdh> I did not say kicked :-)
[22:57] <oerheks> i think it is an IRC bot that came with the illegal guitar-pro-6 of arooni
[22:57] <oerheks> :-D
[22:57] <hggdh> nacc: he has been warned enough. Let's see what happens now
[22:58] <nacc> hggdh: ack
[23:05] <hggdh> patience -=1; if (patience < 0) then finish;
[23:05] <oerheks> lets send an invite from ##linux then?
[23:05] <hggdh> heh
[23:06] <hggdh> might even work. Is ##linux +r, or not?
[23:07] <oerheks> err .. not sure how to do that in hexcaht..
[23:08] <tomreyn> * ##linux :You're not a channel operator
[23:08] <hggdh>  /mode <channel> will reply with the channel modes in effect
[23:09] <hggdh> and it is not +r, so he can go there
[23:10] <tomreyn> but inviting him wont work. maybe we can create ##linux-invitation-for-berwyn and setup channel forwarding on it to ##linux
[23:10] <tomreyn> and then invite him
[23:10] <hggdh> Mode ##linux [+CLPcnptf]
[23:10] <hggdh> too much effort
[23:10] <oerheks> ##ubuntu-for-mint-users
[23:11] <oerheks> & wsl
[23:11] <tomreyn> ##mint-support-for-mint-users-who-ask-for-ubuntu-support
[23:11] <hggdh> LOL
[23:11] <oerheks> double ## good
[23:12] <hggdh> well, wil walk the dogs now. I will see what happened when I am back
[23:48] <hggdh> oerheks: please do not respond
[23:49] <hggdh> sigh. He was going out finally...
[23:50] <oerheks> Thanks, but he is "berwyn!*@* added to ignore list."
[23:50] <hggdh> heh. It works
[23:57] <tomreyn> this works better
[23:58] <hggdh> unfortunately it does
[23:59] <hggdh> and now we will have to deal with the (potential) fallout


[10:55] <Pricey> jpds: LjL-Temp erUSUL - There's a very dodgy ban in #ubuntu-es's +d list... "LiNuX". Please could you sort it out as its caught an innocent by the looks of it.
[10:56] <erUSUL> Pricey: ok
[10:57] <Pricey> tyvm erUSUL
[10:57] <erUSUL> it's gone know;
[10:57] <erUSUL> now
[10:57] <erUSUL> no problm
[17:27] <jpds> erUSUL: I find that /whois + whois $IP help a lot. ;)
[17:27] <erUSUL> jpds: told me russian in pm
[17:27] <jpds> erUSUL: lies.
[17:28] <jpds> ;)
[17:28] <erUSUL> no statistics
[17:33] <Quintasan|Szel> Hello, I'm Kubuntu Member and I'd like to request a cloak, my launchpad -> http://launchpad.net/~quintasan
[17:34] <jussi01> Quintasan|Szel: could you identify for me please?
[17:34] <nalioth> Quintasan|Szel: please identify to services
[17:34] <jussi01> hehe
[17:35] <Quintasan|Szel> oh, ok
[17:36] <Quintasan|Szel> done, can I get another one for Quintasan or I shoulde get back here later?
[17:36] <nalioth> another what?
[17:36] <nalioth> ahhh
[17:37] <nalioth> you can group your nicks, Quintasan|Szel
[17:37] <nalioth>  /msg nickserv help group
[17:37] <jussi01> Quintasan|Szel:  what he said :D
[17:37] <Quintasan|Szel> thanks
[17:37] <nalioth> as we'll only be giving you one cloak
[17:41] <jussi01> nalioth: could you please cloak Quintasan with an ubuntu/member cloak?
[17:41] <nalioth> no, i cannot
[17:42] <nalioth> Quintasan: /msg nickserv help set email
[17:42] <jussi01> oh, oops, fogot to check that...
[17:44] <Quintasan> argh, 3G really sucks
[17:46] <Quintasan> it says my email is already set to that account
[17:46] <Quintasan> nalioth: ^
[17:48] <nalioth> Quintasan: i'm sorry to say that you do not have an email set on that account
[17:48] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:52] <Quintasan> nalioth: My bad, it should be fine now
[17:57] <Quintasan> oh, thanks :)
[17:57] <nalioth> :)
[19:10] <jdong> LjL: heh now I get what you meant by HFSPLUS.
[19:10] <jdong> a year later.
[19:11] <LjL> jdong: ... what?
[19:11] <LjL> oh!
[19:25] <jussi01> jdong: are you going to UDS?
[19:26] <jdong> jussi01: unfortunately, no, -ENOTIME
[19:26] <jussi01> :(
[19:26]  * jussi01 was hoping to finally meet the legendary jdong...
[19:26] <jdong> awww :(
[19:26] <jdong> but since when was jdong legendary?
[19:26] <jussi01> jdong: pm?
[19:26] <jdong> sure
[20:23] <LjL> jdong is busy defragmenting my hard drive using a minuscole magnet and a magnifying lens, can't come.
[23:50] <m4v> haha


[00:18] <cyberanger> techMiles: define ubuntu-minimal
[00:19] <cyberanger> (ugh, last night was long
[00:19] <cyberanger> slept through the day cause of it)
[00:20] <wrst> cyberanger: i was speaking of the minimal install cd is that correct?
[00:20] <techMiles> that's what I was thinking.
[00:20] <techMiles> the alternate installer?
[00:20] <techMiles> I think they used to call it the minimal installer
[00:20] <cyberanger> yes and no
[00:20] <chris4585> the alternative installer isn't the minimal iso
[00:20] <cyberanger> the minimal and alternate isos can do what's needed
[00:21] <cyberanger> minimal iso is ubuntu's way of saying network install
[00:21] <cyberanger> techMiles: what your wanting is a cli install
[00:21] <cyberanger> same method for both discs
[00:22] <wrst> ahh ok guess the network pulls in all the current so no updating
[00:23] <cyberanger> yeah, and a much smaller iso, at the cost of more bandwidth in the end
[00:23] <wrst> yeah 15MB i think
[00:24] <cyberanger> techMiles: at the first screen, hit f4, go from normal to cli
[00:24] <cyberanger> (or the boot cheat code cli)
[00:25] <techMiles> okies
[00:25] <techMiles> question.
[00:25] <techMiles> if I install this on a seperate HDD
[00:25] <techMiles> will that cause issues w/ the bootloader?
[00:25] <wrst> actually that should be less bandwidth for a cli install from the minimal you don't download gnome that way like with the alt install
[00:25] <techMiles> because I reformatted ubuntu before (had messed stuff up, etc, and wanted a fully fresh start) and then the comp wouldn't find the bootloader
[00:25] <techMiles> until I ran a repair on the mBR
[00:26] <techMiles> MBR*
[00:26] <chris4585> but you can do cli install from alt cd also right?
[00:26] <techMiles> then ofc it only found windows.
[00:26] <chris4585> I always went the minimal iso way
[00:28] <cyberanger> wrst: it's flucuated a bit between releases, I was thinking 34 mb (and I was taking into account the repeated downloads)
[00:33] <cyberanger> yes, you can use the alternate install
[00:34] <cyberanger> (which is what I've done, with a bash script and packages, I've got an entire offline install that way)
[00:36] <cyberanger> techMiles: in theroy no, grub2 should adjust, however you've heard of murphy's law right?
[00:36] <techMiles> yeap. lol
[00:37] <techMiles> I s'pose I need to make a grub boot disc.
[00:37] <cyberanger> I mean, that's kinda it, your doing something that could be a mess
[00:37] <techMiles> it's worked fine before.
[00:37] <techMiles> but yeah
[00:38] <cyberanger> one thought, is unplugging the other drive
[00:39] <techMiles> eh it's the one with ALL my stuff on it.
[00:39] <techMiles> else I would've.
[00:39] <cyberanger> oh
[00:39] <techMiles> at the time, i didn't have time to rearrange everything. college was beginning again. lol
[00:39] <wrst> techMiles: grub2 sucks!
[00:40] <techMiles> I guess what I can do is use the 180GB that's in there for OS's, and then use the 1.5TB for extra data only
[00:40] <cyberanger> wrst: grub2 has come a long way
[00:40] <techMiles> cyberanger: do you think that a good solution?
[00:42] <cyberanger> Virtualbox first, yeah, I mean, it's easier to start over, and then when all is well, do a physical install
[00:43] <cyberanger> (the idea of unplugging the 2nd drive isn't necessary, just thinking it'd help your data, but it sounds like it won't)
[00:43] <techMiles> yeah. I think what I'm going to do is use only one drive for OS
[00:43] <techMiles> 's
[00:44] <techMiles> and the other for just data
[00:44] <techMiles> because I thin kthe issue was that it wants to read from where I currently have windows/etc, instead of the other 180GB drive.
[00:44] <techMiles> even though the 180 is disk 1.
[00:44] <techMiles> :/
[00:44] <techMiles> maybe grub install broke id
[00:44] <wrst> cyberanger: just when i think grub2 actually works it bites me in the rear end
[00:45] <techMiles> either way, am going to try it again
[00:45] <cyberanger> wrst: well, I didn't say it was perfect (grub isn't either, bootloaders and perfection is like drinking and driving, oil and water)
[00:47] <techMiles> well brb. almost tbbt time
[00:47] <wrst> yeah but they can atleast half work cyberanger
[00:47] <cyberanger> techMiles: I do really suggest virtualbox first (your building your own system, in a very litteral sense) just easier to get the feel nailed down, work out some kinks
[00:48] <cyberanger> wrst: idk, I've used grub2 alot lately, and you did help grub2 fail
[00:49] <cyberanger> with maranda and ubuntu
[00:54] <wrst> mandriva, fedora... etc etc but strangely enough with arch it works
[00:54] <wrst> asking two distros to boot shouldn't be too much
[00:55] <cyberanger> yes, but on a new bootloader, with distro's messing with configs
[00:55] <cyberanger> hard to say where the blame is
[00:55] <wrst> i'm a user... i don't really care cyberanger  :) i just want it to work
[00:55] <cyberanger> that was one nice thing with boot.cfg, it was too generic, nobody could fool with it too much
[00:56] <cyberanger> yes, but your a user blaming who? where was the fault, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva, grub2
[00:57] <cyberanger> and remember, down the road you'll be a user needing grub2, becuase of limits in grub
[00:59] <wrst> i don't care who is to blame it sucks :)
[01:01] <wrst> cyberanger: that's the thing if ubuntu really wants to reach the masses the masses don't care who to blame they just want it to work
[01:01] <cyberanger> well, if "it" is ubuntu, that ubuntu sucks
[01:01] <cyberanger> and your right, but would the masses dual boot with fedora
[01:02] <cyberanger> or would the masses need a bootloader that supports their system (which is why grub2 was chosen)
[01:02] <wrst> but cyberanger from my investigation its grub 2
[01:03] <wrst> but ubuntu sucks too for including something that doesn't work
[01:04] <wrst> so the entire system bites cyberanger !
[01:04] <cyberanger> well, why though, I mean, I've done what you did sense then (tri boot actually)
[01:04] <cyberanger> no issues
[01:05] <cyberanger> I did it more recently, I blame the sucess on all of them (after all they all worked)
[01:05] <wrst> i think in 10.10 it does work much better cyberanger but i still have bad memories of it, and its still far from perfect or far from grub legacy
[01:07] <cyberanger> well, it also does things grub legacy can't (which is why I continue evualuating it, and I've ran into a case already of grub2 or nothing)
[01:07] <cyberanger> idk, I agree, perfect it isn't
[01:08] <cyberanger> and it
[01:08] <wrst> but what is perfect? :)
[01:08] <cyberanger> s a newer version in 10.10
[01:08] <cyberanger> exactly
[01:08] <wrst> yes
[01:08] <cyberanger> but the newer version also was tweaked (as was the older one)
[01:12] <wrst> but as i just logged into vista and win 7... well theres a lot more there to gripe about!
[01:13] <wrst> after talking with techMiles i might go for a more minimal install this next go round cyberanger
[01:15] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, griping about a user is one thing, a user of windows is another ;-)
[01:18] <wrst> but cyberanger they just added one of the cool things about grub2 in natty started theming the boot menu some
[01:19] <cyberanger> yeah, I don't see that
[01:21] <wrst> its just purple and the font is smaller but still cool
[01:21] <wrst> but unity has quit working for me again
[01:22] <wrst> and now its back...
[02:06] <cyberanger> oh, that's old
[02:06] <cyberanger> I think legacy could do that too
[02:13] <wrst> oh yeah mandriva had a nice theme for a while forgot about that
[02:44] <techMiles> cyberanger: still here?
[02:45] <cyberanger> no, I am now just a bot
[02:45] <techMiles> oh, damn. :P
[02:45] <techMiles> well cyberangerbot
[02:45] <cyberanger> techMiles: yeah, but bare with me, dinner calls
[02:45] <techMiles> no worries. :)
[02:46] <techMiles> OH grub is installed on the first HDD, but it only opens up a grub v1.98.. and brings me to a grub>  prompt..
[02:56] <cyberanger> wonderful, that was one concern
[02:57] <cyberanger> hang on, fix to follow
[02:58] <techMiles> okies.
[02:59] <techMiles> have alternative installer on USB key-- booted to UNetbootin screen, awaiting further instructions.
[03:00] <cyberanger> wait, if you hadn't done that, how'd grub break
[03:02] <techMiles> wat? this is from when I tried to redo ubuntu a few months ago.
[03:02] <cyberanger> did you already try to install?
[03:02] <techMiles> a few months ago
[03:02] <techMiles> it did this, I had no time to learn how to fix and then fix and hope it'd work how I needed it to.
[03:02] <techMiles> so I left it
[03:02] <cyberanger> oh, are we trying to save it, or scrap and start
[03:02] <techMiles> which do you recommend?
[03:03] <techMiles> either one is fine with me.
[03:04] <cyberanger> well, was that a cli install
[03:04] <techMiles> uhh. i don't remember, honestly.
[03:10] <cyberanger> assume no and continue
[03:10] <techMiles> alright.
[03:10] <techMiles> so just continue with a cli install as I normally might?
[03:10] <cyberanger> if you don't know if it needs to be saved, why save it
[03:10] <cyberanger> yes
[03:11] <cyberanger> we'll scrap the partition anyhow
[03:11] <techMiles> true.
[03:11] <cyberanger> save to destroy, no point
[03:11] <techMiles> wyat's the diff in regular cli install vs expert cli install?
[03:12] <cyberanger> alot, for your needs here, go with ubuntu's regular one
[03:12] <cyberanger> (expert has alot more options, debians way
[03:13] <techMiles> I did, but was curious.
[03:13] <cyberanger> but we'd choose alot more stuff and the result won't be too much)
[03:13] <techMiles> ahh
[03:13] <techMiles> so more detailed?
[03:13] <cyberanger> oh yeah
[03:14] <cyberanger> and it can be usefu, but this case it's not too much
[03:14] <techMiles> that's for later. :)
[03:15] <cyberanger> btw, which image did you grab
[03:16] <techMiles> the alternate .iso
[03:17] <cyberanger> ok, that in ways is helpful
[03:17] <techMiles> well that's good. lol
[03:17] <techMiles> LVM, yes or no?
[03:18] <cyberanger> for this not nessarlly, but down the road
[03:18] <cyberanger> have you used LVM before
[03:18] <cyberanger> yes no idk
[03:18] <techMiles> yes.
[03:18] <techMiles> I used to know what it was.
[03:18] <techMiles> something virtual management?
[03:19] <cyberanger> logical Volume Manager
[03:19] <cyberanger> I'd assume no
[03:20] <techMiles> okay
[03:20] <cyberanger> it's the kinda thing where if you ask like that, assume no
[03:20] <techMiles> here's the rub. I am at the partitioning bit
[03:20] <techMiles> I want it to use the entire 180GB disc I have
[03:20] <techMiles> but not the 1.5TB
[03:20] <cyberanger> it's got it's uses
[03:20] <techMiles> but the only thing it gives me under use entire disk, is the 'use entire disc' it doesn't tell me which is which
[03:20] <cyberanger> ok, do you want the 1.5TB mounted though, for music
[03:21] <cyberanger> or just do that as needed
[03:21] <techMiles> as-desired
[03:21] <cyberanger> ok
[03:22] <cyberanger> if you click on use entire disk, one of two things will happen
[03:22] <cyberanger> one, it then asks which disc, which we want
[03:23] <cyberanger> or two, it'll show changes to make and ask to confirm (we don't want that if it's the 1.5tb drive)
[03:23] <techMiles> confirm screens are good.
[03:23] <techMiles> okay
[03:23] <techMiles> using entire 120GB disc.
[03:23] <cyberanger> until you confirm changes, it should not touch data
[03:23] <techMiles> I lied, I thought it was 180, but it isn't.
[03:24] <cyberanger> well, what is it (shouldn't matter)
[03:24] <techMiles> yeah. I selected the one I want, so no matter
[03:24] <cyberanger> oh, 120GB
[03:26] <cyberanger> now I know why you upgraded
[03:26] <techMiles> lol
[03:29] <techMiles> ruh roh. 'deboostrap warning: Warning: Couldn't download package ifupdown"
[03:30] <cyberanger> are you online (I mean with that machine)
[03:31] <techMiles> should be.
[03:31] <techMiles> net was connected before I started this.
[03:32] <techMiles> it got the tiem for me
[03:32] <techMiles> and DHCP
[03:32] <cyberanger> by cable, not wifi
[03:32] <cyberanger> cat5
[03:32] <techMiles> yes.
[03:32] <cyberanger> ok
[03:32] <cyberanger> restart, run without cable
[03:33] <cyberanger> (seems the repo it's using is part to blame)
[03:33] <techMiles> can I continue or just go back?
[03:33] <cyberanger> I'd stop, tell it to abort
[03:33] <techMiles> alright.
[03:33] <cyberanger> reboot with that cable out
[03:34] <techMiles> I kept hitting go back, go back... eh it's trying to do more. jsut hold pwr button?
[03:34] <cyberanger> if it's an issue twice, then the disc is part to blame
[03:35] <cyberanger> but atm I don't expect that
[03:35] <cyberanger> yeah
[03:35] <cyberanger> just make sure it's not running an active task
[03:36] <cyberanger> but I don't think it is atm
[03:36] <techMiles>  it's said 'installing the base system'
[03:37] <cyberanger> hit alt f4 (a less known detail about this installer)
[03:38] <cyberanger> and what's it saying
[03:40] <techMiles> kernelL eth0: link down
[03:41] <cyberanger> and before that
[03:41] <techMiles> debtoostrap: good sinature from "Ubuntu archive Automatic Signing Key
[03:42] <cyberanger> one more
[03:42] <techMiles> signature moade sun oct, etc...
[03:42] <techMiles> signature made**
[03:42] <cyberanger> ok, anything new show up?
[03:42] <techMiles> it gives me a debug a few lines up
[03:43] <techMiles> want that one?
[03:43] <techMiles> no. just says link down.
[03:43] <cyberanger> is it related to ifupdown
[03:43] <techMiles> erm. the link went up.
[03:43] <techMiles> uhh, no. don't see anything about ifup or ifdown
[03:43] <techMiles> but it just said eth0: link up
[03:43] <techMiles> >.>
[03:43] <cyberanger> hit alt f2
[03:43] <techMiles> finicky thing.
[03:44] <techMiles> 'please press enter to activate this console'
[03:45] <cyberanger> I'm sorry, f1 not f2
[03:45] <techMiles> aha. so what do I hit to get out of the BusyBox shell?
[03:46] <techMiles> ah
[03:46] <techMiles> it's on retrieving readline-common...
[03:46] <techMiles> at installing the base system
[03:46] <cyberanger> so we might actually be ok
[03:46] <cyberanger> link down, then up
[03:47] <cyberanger> bad cable, connection
[03:47] <cyberanger> somewhere, you, isp, them idk
[03:47] <cyberanger> but we'll go with it for now
[03:47] <tjcertified> hey does anyone in here do much serious php web development? For some reason, I was thinking that pace_t_zulu did...
[03:48] <techMiles> cyberanger: it hasn't moved.
[03:48] <cyberanger> techMiles: give it a moment, it's perked my intrest atm
[03:48] <techMiles> okies.
[03:48] <techMiles> tjcertified: I
[03:48] <techMiles> I'd love to do, but am just learning stages of a lot.
[03:49] <techMiles> so I can't help ya, sorry
[03:49] <cyberanger> tjcertified: sure someone does, I don't have PHP yet
[03:49] <tjcertified> techMiles: that's okay. I am looking for someone who might be able to give me decent details on current PEAR classes
[03:50] <tjcertified> I hate re-creating the wheel when there is perfectly good stuff out there for stuff like basic web authentication
[03:52] <cyberanger> techMiles: any changes
[03:52] <techMiles> cyberanger: newp
[03:52] <techMiles> oh alt+f4 gives me some
[03:52] <techMiles> starting pid 430, tty '/dev/ttys': '-/bin/sh'
[03:53] <techMiles> process pid 430 exited, scheduling for restart.
[03:53] <techMiles> but the alt+f1 screen still says retrievingreadline-common
[03:53] <techMiles> sorry for the errors, am on a netbook
[03:53] <cyberanger> it's fine, they're minimal
[03:54] <cyberanger> power down
[03:54] <cyberanger> minimal risk
[03:54] <techMiles> powering down
[03:56] <techMiles>  starting over
[03:57] <cyberanger> cable out?
[03:57] <techMiles> yes
[03:57] <cyberanger> ok
[03:58] <techMiles> "do not configure the network at this time" ?
[03:58] <cyberanger> (once we do the install from the disc, we have more control over apt, and no need a few packages, the very packages we've have issues with so far seem to be the most common irratant
[03:58] <cyberanger> )
[03:59] <cyberanger> techMiles: correct (we've got that covered a few steps from now, after the install disc is done)
[04:00] <techMiles> ehh it errors at the archive mirror selection
[04:00] <cyberanger> what?
[04:00] <techMiles> says 'choose a mirror of the ubuntu archive' it gives me the US one.. I hit continue
[04:00] <techMiles> it says 'bad archive mirror'
[04:00] <cyberanger> your using the alternate disc
[04:00] <cyberanger> right
[04:00] <techMiles> yes
[04:01] <techMiles> downloaded it today
[04:01] <cyberanger> sounds like your not, sounds like your using the minimal
[04:01] <techMiles> I selected the alternate .iso torrent to dl.
[04:02] <techMiles> shall I try agian w/ the network cable?
[04:02] <cyberanger> gimme a moment
[04:04] <cyberanger> alt f2
[04:04] <cyberanger> hit enter
[04:04] <cyberanger> ifconfig
[04:04] <cyberanger> (it's bugging me, that It's both offline and seeking an external mirror)
[04:05] <techMiles> -/bin/sh: ifconfig: not found
[04:05] <cyberanger> oh right
[04:06] <cyberanger> can you get it to go back to network detection
[04:06] <techMiles> yes
[04:06] <techMiles> select that one?
[04:07] <cyberanger> (I've done this 100 times fine, this way, and your doing 101 and it's failing)
[04:07] <cyberanger> well, not failing, but irratating
[04:08] <techMiles> asks me to select a mirror.
[04:08] <techMiles> and says bad archive mirror again
[04:09] <techMiles> want me to try it with the cable in again? might've just been a fluke
[04:11] <cyberanger> I'll let it be your call
[04:11] <cyberanger> I'm here to help
[04:11] <techMiles> bno harm in another attempt, I say.
[04:12] <cyberanger> you'll need to detect the network again too, easy
[04:12] <techMiles> yes.
[04:12] <techMiles> that's done
[04:12] <techMiles> already through the archive bit.
[04:12] <techMiles> checked it, said it's fine
[04:12] <techMiles> loading additional components
[04:13] <techMiles> btw, I found some place sonline that offer free linux classes
[04:13] <techMiles> probably going to look into those.
[04:13] <techMiles> esp the bash scripting ones, if I can find some.
[04:14] <techMiles> setting up clock
[04:14] <techMiles> detecting hardware
[04:14] <techMiles> starting up partitioner
[04:16] <cyberanger> ok, same as before
[04:16] <cyberanger> good
[04:16] <techMiles> writing partition changes
[04:17] <techMiles> installing base system
[04:19] <techMiles> can't wait till i upgrade all of this to GbE. :)
[04:20] <cyberanger> do you live in chattanooga or host a local mirror
[04:23] <techMiles> ah it's gotten further
[04:23] <techMiles> neither.
[04:23] <techMiles> sorry
[04:24] <techMiles> internal GbE
[04:24] <cyberanger> than what'll GbE do
[04:24] <cyberanger> I bet your ISP is slower than your switch then
[04:24] <techMiles> eh increase throughput from the switch. give more internal efficiency to get more out of the WAN connection
[04:24] <techMiles> cyberanger: yeah...
[04:24] <techMiles> am hoping to get 24mb
[04:24] <techMiles> soon-ish
[04:24] <techMiles> as in, first half of 2011. lol
[04:25] <cyberanger> I'm hoping to get 10GB Ether myself (not gonna happen) and get my internal wifi going
[04:25] <cyberanger> opps, Internale mirror*
[04:28] <techMiles> hehe
[04:28] <techMiles> that'd be awesome
[04:28] <techMiles> so you have one mirror that updates every x amount of times
[04:28] <techMiles> that all the other internal machines get the pckgs from?
[04:28] <techMiles> kinda like windows update services
[04:28] <techMiles> on Win Server
[04:29] <cyberanger> yeah, but better
[04:29] <techMiles> lol.
[04:29] <cyberanger> and it's not yet done
[04:29] <techMiles> that'd be awesome.
[04:29] <techMiles> W00t
[04:29] <techMiles> it worked this time
[04:29]  * techMiles crosses fingers for the rest of it
[04:30] <techMiles> hm
[04:30] <techMiles> should I encrypt home dir?
[04:32] <cyberanger> uh, no
[04:32] <cyberanger> I mean, I like all encryption
[04:32] <cyberanger> but we can get it right and repeat
[04:32] <techMiles> yeah.
[04:32] <techMiles> alrighty
[04:35] <techMiles> installing software
[04:35] <techMiles> tyvm cyberanger
[04:36] <cyberanger> so, install finished, time to boot into it?
[04:37] <techMiles> hope so!
[04:37] <techMiles> oop, not quite there yet.
[04:37] <techMiles> 11% at select and install software
[04:37] <cyberanger> hehe
[04:38] <techMiles> I want the 24mb down so bad. :P
[04:38] <chris4585> techMiles, I would kill any kind of cable
[04:39] <chris4585> I have satellite...
[04:39] <techMiles> ickk
[04:39] <techMiles> for the first 5 years we lived here, we could only get satellite internet
[04:39] <techMiles> or ridiculously expensive cable
[04:39] <techMiles> so we had dial-up, much to my dismay
[04:39] <chris4585> hughesnet?
[04:39] <techMiles> 56k never happened
[04:39] <chris4585> oh
[04:39] <techMiles> more like 31.1kbps
[04:39] <techMiles> with maybe a 5-7kbps download
[04:40] <chris4585> well its either dialup or what we have now... 2mbps but 525mb/day downlaod limit
[04:40] <chris4585> between 2am - 7am its free and fast
[04:40] <chris4585> just the latency is horrible
[04:40] <techMiles> yeah
[04:40] <techMiles> I have a friend on hughesnet
[04:40] <techMiles> ofc, he's a blackhat, so doesn't really need faster internet.
[04:40] <techMiles> :P
[04:41] <techMiles> he'd just abuse it.
[04:41] <chris4585> I'd just love to be able to play games
[04:41] <techMiles> we have at&t
[04:41] <techMiles> yeah
[04:41] <techMiles> cyberanger: 70%
[04:42] <techMiles> installing GRUB boot loader
[04:42] <cyberanger> brb
[04:42] <techMiles> this is where it always gets sketchy for me. lol
[04:44] <techMiles> ahhh it's reooting for windows
[04:44] <techMiles> will try selecting the other HDD
[04:44] <techMiles> on boot
[04:45] <cyberanger> back
[04:45] <techMiles> wb
[04:45] <techMiles> selected other hdd.
[04:46] <techMiles> gives me flashing _ prompt
[04:46] <techMiles> otherwise blank
[04:46] <cyberanger> chris4585: yeah, I remember hughesnet, work or temporary
[04:46] <cyberanger> and I am glad it's over, but it did cause me to learn alot of tricks
[04:47] <cyberanger> hold that thought
[04:47] <cyberanger> techMiles: I thought we were past that already
[04:47] <cyberanger> what's flashing exactly
[04:47] <techMiles> cyberanger: I rebooted, it booted into windows automagically... I rebooted and selected the other HDD, and this is where it is.
[04:47] <techMiles> the underscore
[04:47] <techMiles> everything else is blank
[04:47] <techMiles> just one flashing underscore
[04:50] <cyberanger> alt f4
[04:51] <cyberanger> output?
[04:51] <cyberanger> chris4585: have I told you any of my tricks
[04:51] <cyberanger> and how many ubuntu machines do you have there
[04:51] <techMiles> cyberanger: no change
[04:51] <cyberanger> hang on
[04:51] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah I only really maintain one
[04:52] <cyberanger> back
[04:53] <cyberanger> techMiles: same prompt, no info
[04:53] <cyberanger> alt f1 and f4
[04:53] <techMiles> correct
[04:53] <techMiles> correct
[04:53] <techMiles> can't type, either.
[04:54] <cyberanger> and we didn't finish with the installer
[04:54] <techMiles> it finished
[04:54] <techMiles> grub installer came up, I said it found one other operating system: windows, and I told it to write that to the mbr.
[04:54] <techMiles> was that the wrong thing to do?
[04:57] <cyberanger> and this it it rebooted
[04:57] <cyberanger> with just an underscore
[04:57] <techMiles> yes
[04:57] <techMiles> a flashing underscore
[04:59] <cyberanger> yes, it told you to reboot, and you did, then this
[04:59] <cyberanger> just checking for clarity
[05:01] <cyberanger> is that right techMiles ?
[05:01] <cyberanger> chris4585: how many machines, any OS
[05:03] <chris4585> 4 technically but I only maintain 1
[05:03] <chris4585> my tv doesn't really need updating
[05:03] <chris4585> my laptop I only really play with it
[05:03] <techMiles> cyberanger: yes.
[05:04] <cyberanger> your TV?
[05:04] <chris4585> and the living room comp I update like once every 6 months..
[05:04] <chris4585> my tv is a computer with a tvtuner
[05:04] <techMiles> I rebooted, and it went to boot into windows, so I rebooted again and went to the menu where I can select a specific HDD
[05:04] <chris4585> and ubuntu runs it beautifully
[05:04] <techMiles> and selected the HDD i had ubuntu install to
[05:05] <cyberanger> techMiles: so it booted to windows becuase of GRUB or the machine
[05:05] <techMiles> is it perhaps because windows and ubuntu are on two different HDD?
[05:05] <techMiles> cyberanger: idk. it didn't go to GRUB at all
[05:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: is that all machines on your network there, or just yours
[05:05] <techMiles> so that'd be a no to GRUB.
[05:05] <cyberanger> techMiles: it booted to windows outside grub
[05:06] <techMiles> yes
[05:06] <chris4585> cyberanger, there is also my PS3 and my parents computer with xp
[05:08] <cyberanger> techMiles: your sure? cause grub can boot windows (well, pass the boot process to windows bootloader more accurately
[05:08] <cyberanger> but yeah)
[05:08] <techMiles> yes. the GRUB prompt never showed up
[05:08] <techMiles> I will try again for extra sure.
[05:09] <cyberanger> yeah, if you would, we gotta pin it down or start again
[05:09] <cyberanger> and I'd prefer to pin it down
[05:09] <techMiles> I might try a different route if this fails
[05:09] <techMiles> because I want to redo my windows installation, too.
[05:09] <chris4585> reinstall again?
[05:09] <techMiles> will probably do them both onto the same disk.
[05:09] <techMiles> newp. no GRUB prompt at all
[05:10] <chris4585> why not just try reinstalling grub itself instead of the whole thing?
[05:10] <techMiles> chris4585: for a clean install and fresh start on both
[05:10] <techMiles> esp the windows. and ubuntu because I can't access the ubuntu installation I just did.
[05:10] <techMiles> no GRUB prompt comes up, from either HDD i choose to boot from (or attempt to boot from)
[05:11] <chris4585> techMiles, did you install grub to the mbr?
[05:11] <techMiles> yes
[05:12] <chris4585> thats strange, I'm not good with installing with 2 hdds though
[05:13] <techMiles> well, my second HDD is about to be only for storage, not for OS
[05:15] <chris4585> I'm better at solving my own issues than helping with others usually
[05:26] <cyberanger> sorry gimme a mnt
[05:26] <cyberanger> pets
[05:27] <techMiles> np
[05:28] <cyberanger> between my dad getting in, work was slammed, got in late (weather and nursing, ugh) and pets going crazy
[05:28] <cyberanger> that took a bit
[05:29] <cyberanger> techMiles: got a live disc?
[05:29] <techMiles> cyberanger: I have a USB key w/ it on there.
[05:30] <cyberanger> can you boot it up
[05:31] <techMiles> I can in just a minute.
[05:31] <techMiles> hopefully getting it fixed will help me out. lol. for when I have to do it agian
[05:31] <techMiles> I just don't undrstand. I've done this before.
[05:31] <techMiles> with no issues at all
[05:33] <techMiles> mmk am there
[05:33] <techMiles> WHOA
[05:33] <techMiles> there's grub
[05:34] <cyberanger> well... gimme a status report
[05:35] <techMiles> GRUB is apparently on the usb drive
[05:35] <techMiles> I selected it to boot from t USB drive
[05:35] <techMiles> and there's grub..
[05:35] <techMiles> so boot into ubuntu?
[05:37] <cyberanger> oh no
[05:37] <cyberanger> yes
[05:38] <cyberanger> boot
[05:38] <techMiles> uhmm
[05:38] <techMiles> it brings up the prompt
[05:38] <techMiles> but before I could login it's giving me an error.
[05:38] <techMiles> ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
[05:39] <techMiles> then ata3.00 failed command: SET FEATURES
[05:39] <techMiles> ata3.00: cmd ef/[lots of hex here]/40 tag 0
[05:40] <techMiles> and three more errors, another with res, the hex Emask 0x4 (timeout, another line with ata3.00L status: {DRDY} and last line of ata3: softreset failed (device not ready)
[05:40] <techMiles> then I get a flashing cursor
[05:40] <cyberanger> so, was that the install key, or the livecd key?
[05:41] <techMiles> the one I used to install
[05:41] <techMiles> sorry, I was thinking incorrectly
[05:42] <techMiles> I am used to using a livecd to install.
[05:42] <techMiles> and in this case, they aren't the same.
[05:42] <techMiles> meh. crap.
[05:43] <techMiles> will backup windows, redo the whooooole thing..... lol.
[05:43] <techMiles> needs it anyway
[05:43] <techMiles> heh
[05:43] <techMiles> though, trying to login again, it lets me login to the CLI screen
[05:43] <techMiles> can I fix this from here?
[05:46] <cyberanger> wait, what
[05:46] <techMiles> after all the errors
[05:47] <techMiles> I hit enter again.
[05:47] <techMiles> it brings me to the login prompt again
[05:47] <techMiles> I login, it works..
[05:47] <cyberanger> so did the install work, or do we have an error
[05:47] <techMiles> it worked.
[05:47] <techMiles> however, GRUB is in the wrooooong place... lol
[05:49] <cyberanger> df -h
[05:49] <techMiles> what am I looking for?
[05:50] <cyberanger> that commands output
[05:50] <cyberanger> do you have networking going
[05:50] <cyberanger> ?
[05:50] <techMiles> it brings me up a list of filesystems and where they are mounted
[05:50] <techMiles> yes networking is fine
[05:52] <cyberanger> df -h |  | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[05:52] <cyberanger> opps
[05:52] <cyberanger> df -h | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[05:53] <techMiles> installing curl
[05:53] <cyberanger> then it'll have a link begining with http://sprunge.us/
[05:53] <cyberanger> oh, right
[05:53] <techMiles> http://sprung.us.UAGR
[05:54] <techMiles> er.
[05:54] <techMiles> sprung.us/UAGR
[05:55] <techMiles> sprunge
[05:55] <techMiles> wow. sorry
[05:55] <techMiles> and: kudos for a very cool trip I'm going to attempt to remember. lol
[05:58] <cyberanger> trip or tip
[05:59] <techMiles> both. but mostly the tip on sprunge
[05:59] <cyberanger> oh, guess where you installed the whole bloddy system
[06:00] <techMiles> lol
[06:00] <techMiles> I selected the 120GB HDD
[06:00] <techMiles> to use the whole thing.
[06:00] <techMiles> I swear. :/
[06:00] <techMiles> I think it's just GRUB that's on the USB drive.
[06:01] <cyberanger> doesn
[06:01] <cyberanger> t appear to be
[06:01] <techMiles> I'm going back to using discs. -_-
[06:02] <cyberanger> cat /etc/mtab /etc/fstab  | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[06:02] <cyberanger> we'll confirm with that
[06:03] <cyberanger> oh, USB keys can be useful, but they also write ;-)
[06:03] <techMiles>  but this is no 120GB drive
[06:03] <techMiles> and I know I selected it to install in the 120GB hdd.
[06:03] <techMiles> :.
[06:03] <techMiles> :'/
[06:04] <techMiles> http://sprunge.us/XYBD
[06:04] <cyberanger> /dev/sda1             106G  840M  100G   1% /
[06:04] <cyberanger> it's bigger than a hdd
[06:04] <cyberanger> but /boot isn't clear
[06:05] <cyberanger> hrm
[06:06] <techMiles> brb
[06:06] <cyberanger> boot appears to be on the 106G drive (not sure where 14G went)
[06:06] <cyberanger> ok techMiles
[06:07] <cyberanger> chris4585: so you have 4 computers, a PS3 and your folks have one?
[06:08] <chris4585> cyberanger, correct
[06:09] <cyberanger> your four are some kinn of ubuntu?
[06:10] <techMiles> back
[06:10] <techMiles> meh
[06:10] <techMiles> will scrap it
[06:10] <techMiles> backup windows
[06:10] <techMiles> reinstall it
[06:10] <techMiles> and will begin this adventure again
[06:10] <cyberanger> ok
[06:10] <chris4585> yeah, my TV runs 9.04 I think, my laptop is 10.10, this one is 10.10 and the living room comp is 10.04 maybe?
[06:10] <techMiles> but perhaps with a LIVEcd.... even though it's significantly faster with a usb drive.
[06:10] <cyberanger> unfortunate for your time
[06:11] <cyberanger> alternate cd (for rescue, a live cd)
[06:11] <techMiles> cyberanger: idk of any other solutions, really.. lol.
[06:11] <cyberanger> techMiles: reboot to windows
[06:11] <cyberanger> check it out
[06:11] <cyberanger> see how it is
[06:11] <cyberanger> ubuntu may be ok
[06:12] <cyberanger> grub might be iffy
[06:12] <cyberanger> but if your gonna redo windows, we can redo grub after (kinda have to)
[06:12] <techMiles> well grub cannot stay on this usb key
[06:12] <cyberanger> it doesn't appear to be on that key
[06:13] <techMiles> well, explain why it only shows up when I specifically tell my computer to boot to the USB key.
[06:13] <techMiles> :/
[06:14] <techMiles> booting to windows the same way I booted into ubuntu works fine as well
[06:16] <cyberanger> remove the key and try
[06:17] <techMiles> I tried both HDDs before inserting the key again and trying it.
[06:17] <cyberanger> ok, well, idk
[06:17] <cyberanger> if you wanna try from square one, start with windows
[06:18] <cyberanger> the output you gave shows one drive
[06:18] <techMiles> neither one brought up GRUB.  attempting to boot to the HDD where I told the installer to put Ubuntu got me that blank screen with the flashing underscore cursor
[06:18] <techMiles> and attempting to boot to the HDD where windows is currently installed, brings up windows just fine like always.
[06:18] <cyberanger> and it's a 106GB drive kinda big for a usb key
[06:21] <techMiles> but not for ubuntu if that's the 120GB hdd I told the installer to put it on.
[06:23] <cyberanger> your logs show it that way (add swap space, perhaps some deadspace, and that'd explain the logs well)
[14:16] <cyberanger> Morning and TGIF
[14:22] <cyberanger> chris4585: have you ever considered a proxy, at least for your machines
[14:23] <cyberanger> take the load off your connection some
[14:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: Morning and TGIF
[14:25] <Xpistos> cyberanger: hey, I am sick like a dog ... and at work for some reason
[14:27]  * cyberanger wonders if he repeats his last statement, would it help shine a ray of relief
[14:27] <cyberanger> Xpistos: Morning and TGIF, hope you get better
[14:29] <wrst> cyberanger: i think i amy move back to quassel
[14:30]  * cyberanger thinks wrst should reconsider, smartphone and all
[14:30] <cyberanger> wrst: why?
[14:34] <linuxman410> anyone here
[14:34] <wrst> just not worth what i lose using irssi having access is nice on the phone
[14:34] <wrst> but i don't use it that much
[14:34] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[14:35] <linuxman410> wrst did you get a email from launchpad about a hacked computer
[14:35] <wrst> i don't think so linuxman410 ?
[14:35] <wrst> what's up?
[14:39] <linuxman410> wrst some guy from launchpad emailed me and wanted to know if i could help with a hacked computer running 10.10
[14:40] <linuxman410> his name was tom crowley
[14:41] <cyberanger> linuxman410: nope, I hadn't
[14:42] <linuxman410> how come he picked me out of everyone
[14:43] <linuxman410> i know it is a launchpad email it looks like the other emails i get when u aprrove someones membership
[14:43] <cyberanger> a question for him, and one I want to ask
[14:43] <linuxman410> approve
[14:44] <cyberanger> wrst and I approve people, lp admins
[14:44] <linuxman410> you can ask him the question if u want
[14:44] <cyberanger> but your more active than I am on nlug and klug
[14:45] <cyberanger> maybe you made a splash somewhere else, and thus the email?
[14:45] <cyberanger> mistook you for a guy with the same name
[14:47] <linuxman410> cyberanger they still have not updated my email at launchpad they are still sending to my old one that is still working for right now
[14:47] <cyberanger> you can update it, can't you?
[14:47] <linuxman410> i did
[14:47] <cyberanger> but they haven't show the change?
[14:48] <linuxman410> i even remone the old one
[14:48] <linuxman410> removed
[14:53] <cyberanger> but they haven't show the change?
[14:54] <linuxman410> no i just logged in and my new email is there but everything goes to old address
[14:55] <linuxman410> cyberanger i completely removed old address forom launpad
[14:55] <linuxman410> launchpad
[14:57] <linuxman410> well i go to go to work back later
[14:58] <cyberanger> ok, sounds like a plan, just wish I could have told you I found an idea
[14:59] <cyberanger> hehe
[15:04] <wrst> cyberanger: i kinda missed about half that...?
[15:16] <cyberanger> wrst: it's ok, it was meant for linuxman410 and he missed it all
[15:16] <cyberanger> he's changed email addresses, launchpad isn't really switching well
[15:33] <wrst> i've been having issues with launchpad being slow on some merge proposals lately
[15:41] <cyberanger> that's outside my knowledge (I thought last night you said you were a user, it should just work, when talking bootloaders, this sounds like a bzr branch, a developer issue ;-))
[15:44] <wrst> ha ha it is a bzr branch but only on some documentation :)
[15:46] <cyberanger> why use bzr then, that's what a wiki's for
[15:53] <wrst> its part of the app, also going to be web/pdf/and in the help menu
[15:54] <wrst> cyberanger: http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
[15:54] <wrst> its pretty cool stuff, you code it then using the makefile you creat html or pdf and also the documentation that is actually part of the application
[16:12] <Xpistos> how do I delete a directory with files in it?
[16:12] <Xpistos> rmdir -rf  FOLDER
[16:12] <wrst> rm -r folder
[16:13] <wrst> if i'm not mistaken
[16:13] <wrst> yes Xpistos just tested that to make for sure
[16:16] <Xpistos> rm -rf FOLDER
[16:16] <wrst> yes :)
[16:17] <cyberanger> rm -r
[16:17] <wrst> i vote with cyberanger  :)
[16:17] <cyberanger> -f is for force
[16:18] <cyberanger> kinda nice to see an error first ;-)
[16:18] <wrst> cyberanger: i have found it best to not force things
[16:18] <wrst> cyberanger: one of these does i'm going to do that to root folder just to watch it burn :)
[16:21] <cyberanger> yeah, good luck
[16:22] <Xpistos> how do I check the size of the sub folders within a given older
[16:27] <wrst> ha ha well cyberanger when i'm going to do a fresh install
[16:30] <cyberanger> Xpistos: say again
[16:31] <cyberanger> wrst: in that case, nuke it first >:-)
[16:31] <cyberanger> }--
[16:32] <wrst> yeah cyberanger what iw as thinking
[16:32] <wrst> *I was
[16:46] <Xpistos> cyberanger: I found it
[16:46] <Xpistos> du -s -h folder
[16:47] <Xpistos> or du -s -h folder/*
[16:57] <cyberanger> oh, show folder size, sorted by age
[17:07] <cyberanger> that's what he said


[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <dkessel> good morning dholbach
[08:43] <dholbach> hi dkessel