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[10:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:04] <InHisName> Morning JonathanD and all
[11:18] <JonathanD> hey InHisName
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:17]  * ChinnoDog noms some bacon
[13:51] <MutantTurkey> I got a cat!
[13:52] <ChinnoDog> On purpose?
[13:52] <MutantTurkey> yeap
[13:53] <MutantTurkey> hopefully our other cat and him get along
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> I find that one cat is usually enough
[14:02] <MutantTurkey> two is better than one
[14:02] <waltman> Don't cats prey on turkeys?
[14:05] <MutantTurkey> still need advice? dump her
[14:05] <MutantTurkey> all i saw way 'need advice'
[14:05] <MutantTurkey> waltman: it's all about the powerplay
[14:08] <waltman> but what do you do after the 2 minutes are up?
[15:54] <MutantTurkey> uh oh... looks like my server is rejecting all ssh connections...
[15:57] <waltman> oops
[15:57] <MutantTurkey> yeah...
[15:57] <waltman> Is it a dynamic IP? Maybe it's on a nice address now?
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> nope.
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> i can ping it fine
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> mysql just went down as well...
[16:00] <bts3685> might have lost power and it may be fscking
[16:00] <bts3685> or sitting in busybox, heh
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> pings ok
[16:01] <bts3685> you can still have network with busybox depending on how your distro bundles it
[16:01] <bts3685> also, though, sidenote- 'swhy i use better-initramfs to boot
[16:01] <bts3685> automatic recovery is <3
[16:01] <bts3685> well. recovery MODE, i should say. accessible by ssh. yay!
[16:02] <MutantTurkey> gahh i am freaking out
[16:02] <waltman> Maybe something sucked up all your memory and the kernel's shutting stuff down?
[16:02] <MutantTurkey> NRPE still works!!!!
[16:03] <MutantTurkey> not that that helps
[16:03] <bts3685> heh
[16:03]  * bts3685 grabs bag of popcorn
[16:04] <jedijf> succeed2ban
[16:05]  * bts3685 chokes on popcorn
[16:05] <bts3685> jedijf: you're on the list
[16:06] <jedijf> \o/
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> alright... shit
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> sorry
[16:06] <MutantTurkey> our mysql daemon runs on that server for our very public database we just released...
[16:06] <bts3685> sucks to be you
[16:07] <bts3685> wait
[16:07] <bts3685> you run mysql publicly accessible?
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> no
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> i just have one machine that hosts all of our sql stuff for our other servers
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> one of which runs a website with a large mysql backend
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> since the machine htat's down has a large number cores and ram
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> well, now it's responding
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> so maybe it's just under very heavy load?
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> bts3685: Nagios is indivating that it's got a load average of 40.0 with only 24 cors
[16:17] <bts3685> check I/O
[16:18] <bts3685> if I/O's blocking, it'd not only cause tons of issues but also would kick that load up
[16:18] <bts3685> also amount of free memory, etc.
[16:21] <waltman> who is "our"?
[16:21] <waltman> Is this your lab's machine?
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> how could I check IO
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> waltman: one of them
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> i assume it's because the swap is kicking in
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> so paging is really slow
[16:48] <MutantTurkey> because they are running a crazu amound of jobs withoutconsideration to what the server load is...
[16:54] <bts3685> MutantTurkey: iotop, htop sort by I/O, sar, dstat... lots of options
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> bts3685: I can't access the server though
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> because bash is just hanging probably because it can't allocate resources
[16:56] <bts3685> is bash hanging or is ssh?
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> bash
[16:56] <bts3685> also, housed on-site or with a DC? because either way, you'll need to console that, the way it sounds.
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> unfortunately my boss just had a baby and they switched the keys... we don't have a kvm for that box...s
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> sooo!
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> how can I set the term with ssh?
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> ssh -C "TERM=xterm; htop" doesn't work
[16:58] <bts3685> i.... what? why would switching the keys have anything to do with a baby.
[16:58] <bts3685> shouldn't need to set TERM remotely
[16:58] <bts3685> unless you're using screen or something
[16:59] <bts3685> but, if you DID need to,
[16:59] <bts3685> env TERM=blabla ssh user@server
[16:59] <bts3685> err, actually
[16:59] <bts3685> env TERM=blabla ssh -o SendEnv=TERM user@server
[16:59] <bts3685> will probably be what you need
[17:01] <MutantTurkey> ah got it
[17:01] <MutantTurkey> ssh "export TERM=xterm; htop"
[17:01] <MutantTurkey> well, looks like everyones jobs ended and it's back to normal.
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> bts3685: any ideas how I can avoid that  in the future?
[17:18] <bts3685> better disk setup
[17:18] <bts3685> assuming it was I/O
[17:18] <bts3685> what's free -m look like? how much swap has been used?
[17:18] <bts3685> and what's the third column of load in w output?
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> no idea, by the time I got into the server, everything had dropped
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> since I had to run out to pick up some paperwork
[17:26]  * MutantTurkey sigh
[17:27] <bts3685> sar -q
[19:21] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You might try looking through syslog from around that time to see if you see anything unusual.
[19:27] <waltman> A friend is looking to ditch gmail (he's unhappy with their latest UI changes) and asked me for recommendations. The only linux mail clients I've run in a very long time are mutt (which I love) and thunderbird (which I don't). What mail clients are the cool kids running these days?
[19:29] <jedijf> gmail h
[19:31] <waltman> His issue was that he used some hack to compose messages in vim, but it broke in the redesign since the compose window is no longer a text area.
[19:31] <waltman> er, textarea
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> ah
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> well
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> if he hates the new social  split thing
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> you can get around that
[19:31] <waltman> social split thing?
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I used that for a long time, for long wikipedia articles.
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> it's some sort of new tabbed gmail interface
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> I didn't see it until a friend showed me, because I have a different inbox style setup
[19:32] <waltman> I think he mainly hates that he can no longer compose his emails in vim
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> http://lifehacker.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-gmails-new-super-co-511765933
[19:32] <pleia2> tabbed interface is not related to changes in composing box
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: I understand
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> that's what I originally thought, but it seems not
[19:33] <waltman> pleia2: talk to mj and have him get someone to haX0r in vim supprto :)
[19:33] <waltman> support
[19:33] <bts3685> or vim plugin
[19:33] <bts3685> bet there's an emacs plugin already. :X
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> waltman: i know the problem. We ran a few to many services, I can see just one of users using almost 95% of our ram... bioinformatics is rather ram dependent
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> bts3685: at this point i'll be happy if my users use either.
[19:34] <waltman> Ah. Linux boxes aren't reall happy under heavy paging.
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> I cringe when they open gedit
[19:34] <bts3685> ...yeahhh sure enough. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yeah
[19:35] <pleia2> waltman: I just use vim :)
[19:35] <pleia2> in mutt!
[19:36] <pleia2> (actually my hosted domain hasn't gotten the awful new upgrade yet)
[19:36] <jedijf> waltman: can't they just stay in standard?
[19:36] <waltman> bts3685: I think that's different because gnus is just treating gmail like any other mail host. I believe with this now-broken plug-in you used the web interface but composed your messages in vim.
[19:36] <waltman> I thought they were disabling the old ui for everyone
[19:36] <waltman> (I don't use gmail)
[19:37] <jedijf> change the /u/   to /h/    all good
[19:37] <pleia2> they will eventually, hosted domains always lag behind gmail.com
[19:37] <pleia2> I hear all the screaming before I see it myself, fun times
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> waltman: i thought you switched after the whole cs thing crashed.
[19:37]  * jedijf checks plain ol gmail
[19:37]  * bts3685 imaps with thunderbird
[19:38] <pleia2> I use thunderbird for a bunch of accounts (shared ones that I help manage mostly)
[19:38] <pleia2> it sucks, but whatever
[19:38] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I still have my cs account, but I switched most of my day-to-day email to coe. And I use Mail.app to access it. This is for a friend who I believe is on a redhat box.
[19:39] <waltman> The UI on thunderbird is pretty dreadful.
[19:39] <waltman> The UI on outlook is even worse.
[19:39] <waltman> I use mutt and mail.app
[19:40] <jedijf> stamps
[19:41] <waltman> stamps?
[19:43] <CaptKyle> stamps. stationary. pens.
[19:44] <waltman> does anyone use evolution?
[19:45] <pleia2> no
[19:45]  * waltman looks at claws
[19:46] <pleia2> I've heard decent things about claws
[19:46] <pleia2> light on interface, but gets the job done
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> I used the mozilla one before
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> was pretty terrible
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> I found that mutt worked well for me
[19:47] <waltman> I'm a bit concerned that none of claws' screenshots show rich text and/or embedded images
[19:49] <jedijf> damn pleia2 answers for the world
[19:51] <pleia2> it's true
[19:51] <waltman> is thunderbird "the mozilla one"?
[19:51] <pleia2> yeah
[19:52] <waltman> It keeps getting picked as best linux email client year after year. Maybe the windows version I was running was just worse.
[19:53] <jedijf> could be the tallest midget award
[19:53] <pleia2> hehe
[19:54] <waltman> OSX's mail client is the first I've found since Euroda that doesn't make me tear my hair out.
[22:29] <pleia2> aw crap, new reply just hit my hosted domain
[22:29] <pleia2> er, sorry :)


[05:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:17] <paddatrapper> morning inetpro, everyone
[06:49] <nsnzero> good morning all
[06:52] <nsnzero> http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release
[06:52] <nsnzero> getting 404 error when updating
[07:05] <Langjan> G'morning all
[07:05] <Langjan> How are you doing Kilos?
[07:06] <nsnzero> morning Langjan
[07:06] <Langjan> hi nsnzero
[07:06] <magespawn> good morning
[07:07] <Langjan> nsnzero, you keeping well?
[07:07] <Langjan> hi magespawn
[07:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan im still kicking ty and how are you?
[07:12] <Kilos> morning every one else
[07:12] <Kilos> and inetpro
[07:13] <Kilos> nsnzero change server to neology
[07:13] <Kilos> change repo that is
[07:13] <Langjan> I'm fine thanks Kilos just wondered how you're doing health-wise
[07:14] <Kilos> still surviving ty
[07:14] <Kilos> vit c still trying to do its work
[07:15] <Langjan> ok, did you try to kick hard for a few days, like triple or quadruple dose?
[07:15] <Kilos> not enough of them
[07:15] <Kilos> i got a 1 month supply
[07:16] <chesedo> morning inetpro paddatrapper nsnzero Langjan magespawn Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[07:16] <Langjan> no man just do it, that kick has residual effect
[07:16] <Kilos> and magespawn
[07:16] <Langjan> hi chesedo
[07:16] <Kilos> ok ill take 3 today
[07:17] <Langjan> and tomorrow
[07:17] <Kilos> ok
[07:17] <Kilos> lemme count them
[07:17] <Langjan> space them morning noon and evening
[07:17] <Kilos> hehe
[07:17] <Kilos> i been taking morning and evening
[07:18] <Langjan> whats the recommended dosage?f
[07:18] <Kilos> 1 a day i think i read
[07:18] <magespawn> your body cannot store vit c, so anything it does not use will be flushed out.
[07:19] <Kilos> 1 or 2 daily or as directed. no-one directed
[07:19] <magespawn> i have always found that it is better to space them about 12 apart
[07:19] <magespawn> hours
[07:19] <Langjan> magespawn, google food state
[07:19] <paddatrapper> hi chesedo, Langjan, Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> i got 12 left
[07:20] <Langjan> we dont want to store the stuff, just let it do its job
[07:21] <Langjan> hi paddatrapper
[07:23] <Langjan> OK Kilos you been good to take two, take three or four per day until the stock is gone then see how soon you can get some more
[07:24] <Kilos> lol ok will do
[07:24] <Kilos> ty for that info oom
[07:24] <Kilos> you have a good day
[07:24] <Langjan> Good man! Strongs and best wishes
[07:24] <Kilos> danke
[07:25] <Langjan> you also enjoy the day and have a good meeting
[07:25] <Kilos> what meeting
[07:25] <Kilos> oh my
[07:25] <Kilos> ty for reminding me
[07:25] <Langjan> Dont you have irc tonite or tomorrow?
[07:25] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[07:25] <Kilos> yes
[07:25] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[07:25] <Langjan> hi thatgraemeguy
[07:26] <Langjan> Ok will leave you at it, go well my friend
[07:26] <Kilos> go well sir
[07:26] <Kilos> ty
[07:26] <Langjan> thks
[07:27] <Langjan> Maybe I must go to kde so I can visit more often to sort out probs? lmga
[07:28] <Langjan> Bye now
[08:36] <andrewlsd> Morning peeps. :-D
[08:36] <Maaz> andrewlsd: By the way, nsnzero on freenode told me "tell andrewlsd -> Durban Time : Your Time + 2 , lol" 16 hours, 6 minutes and 18 seconds ago
[08:36] <andrewlsd> Thanks Maaz
[09:03]  * andrewlsd pops in to visit #ubuntu-us-az
[09:03] <andrewlsd> typing AZ requires real intention. I keep typing ZA.(muscle memory)
[09:04] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd
[09:05] <andrewlsd> \o nsnzero
[09:18] <nsnzero> cant download ktorrent cos the ubuntu-za repository is malfunctioning
[09:23]  * theblazehen wonders why you can't define fallback mirrors for apt
[09:24] <theblazehen> You could probably run a local haproxy / nginx for it
[09:26] <andrewlsd> apt-proxy is able to do some URL-equivalence rewriting. but if using https for apt_transport, then not sure if that would still work.
[09:28] <andrewlsd> s/apt-proxy/apt-cacher-ng/
[09:31] <nsnzero> theblazehen: i think its for security reasons
[09:31] <nsnzero> free book for those who love the command line http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
[09:31] <theblazehen> nsnzero That's what signed packages are for
[09:31] <theblazehen> andrewlsd yeah, running apt-cacher-ng at home
[09:32] <theblazehen> Still slow to install packages :/ due to storage speed. Takes like 8 min to launch a container, install config management, and have it install my stuff
[09:32] <theblazehen> Might be due to the fsync's that apt does from what I read
[09:33] <nsnzero> theblazehen: aaaaaaaah
[09:33] <nsnzero> does apt check signature though ?
[09:33] <theblazehen> yeah
[09:33] <theblazehen> And it's a bit of a pita to not check it IIRC
[09:37] <nsnzero> i am looking for a simple qt based email client - kmail not required
[09:39] <theblazehen> Konsole + mutt? /s
[09:40] <theblazehen> Konsole + emacs + Gnus?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Does anyone even use the systemd remote stuff? https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Remote.html
[10:26] <theblazehen> Apart from possibly journald logging
[10:26] <theblazehen> Which is different
[10:34] <chesedo> nsnzero: the first four might inspire you -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=email
[10:35] <Kilos> guys give me a command to delete a directory off mt desktop please
[10:36] <Kilos> rm says its a directory so cant rm it
[10:36] <Kilos> my ssd is full so need to make space quick
[10:37] <Kilos> i forgot i wasnt on a large drive and made a /home backup on desktop
[10:47] <theblazehen> Kilos rm -r
[10:48] <Kilos> ty
[10:50] <nsnzero> thanks chesedo
[10:52] <nsnzero> cant install beause i cant update the repositories - going to reboot
[10:56] <nsnzero> no joy - i will try later
[10:57] <nsnzero> rr:9 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[10:57] <nsnzero>   Cannot initiate the connection to za.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2c0f:fe40:8001:10::2). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2c0f:fe40:8001:10::2 80]
[11:03]  * chesedo sees nsnzero is lucky enough to be on an IPv6 network
[11:08] <nsnzero> my secret is out
[11:14] <magespawn> would it make that much of a difference?
[11:16] <nsnzero> magespawn: the ip6 ?
[11:19] <magespawn> yup
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero use archive.ubuntu.com ?
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero What's your ipv6 address?
[11:21] <theblazehen> Is it in the fe80 range?
[11:21] <nsnzero> yip - starts with fe80
[11:22] <Kilos> nsnzero maybe symmatria is working on it or upgrading
[11:22] <Kilos> use neology man
[11:22] <Kilos> symmetria
[11:23] <theblazehen> nsnzero That's a auto configured address
[11:23] <theblazehen> Link local*
[11:23] <theblazehen> So you won't get an internet connection
[11:23] <theblazehen> Disable ipv6
[11:24] <nsnzero> it my router giving me a local ip6 address -> NAT
[11:26] <theblazehen> nsnzero Nope
[11:27] <theblazehen> kind of like ipv4's <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[11:27] <theblazehen> LAN only, but you're trying to use it for internet
[11:27] <theblazehen> Until we get ipv6 here, gotta disable it :/
[11:29]  * chesedo is under the impression that IPv6 does not use NAT...
[11:30] <theblazehen> chesedo it shouldn't, yes
[11:33] <theblazehen> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipaddr_nat/configuration/15-mt/nat-15-mt-book/iadnat-mapt.html#concept_68A1CB818D234BC3B3C883BBEFDDC1AC
[11:34] <nsnzero> i have dual addresses ip4 and ip6
[11:35] <theblazehen> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5902
[11:35] <theblazehen> nsnzero From your isp? Or just in ifconfig / ip a
[11:35] <chesedo> nsnzero: so you are tunneling?
[11:36]  * chesedo is off to lunch
[11:36] <nsnzero> external is ip4 internal is ip4 and ip6
[11:36] <theblazehen> nsnzero So you use ipv6 in your home network?
[11:37] <nsnzero> its also been this way - and i wont touch it as long as it works
[11:37] <theblazehen> Well, if you use NDP / RA (not too familiar with ipv6) you wouldn't get a link local address
[11:38] <theblazehen> I think?
[11:38] <theblazehen> So, default linux would give you a link local ipv6
[11:38] <theblazehen> But for some reason it thinks it has an ipv6 internet connection
[11:39] <theblazehen> Browsers normally handle it fine
[11:39] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: I came across a simple QT mail client last week. only does Imap.
[11:39] <theblazehen> They do A and AAAA lookups, and try both, if ipv6 works, yay, otherwise use ipv4
[11:39] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: http://trojita.flaska.net/
[11:39] <theblazehen> So you should just tell it not to use ipv6 for dns, or just not ipv6
[11:40] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: via http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/install-trojita-email-app-ubuntu
[11:41] <andrewlsd> sorry nsnzero I didn't see that theblazehen already sent you that.
[11:41] <theblazehen> Or get ipv6 via a tunnel broker if you wanna play with ipv6 I suppose
[11:41] <andrewlsd> FYI, DSL in ZA pretty much doesn't support ipv6
[11:41] <theblazehen> andrewlsd yeah, waiting on telkom for it
[11:41] <theblazehen> DSLAM needs to support it IIRC
[11:42] <andrewlsd> so I do this to avoid paying attention to AAA records: `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/disable_ipv6`
[11:42] <theblazehen> Sorry, BRAS I think?
[11:42] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: IIRC yes.
[11:42] <theblazehen> Yeah, BRAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_remote_access_server
[11:43] <andrewlsd> alternative version systcl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
[11:43] <theblazehen> And throw it in /etc/sysctl.d
[11:44] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmmdrt4
[11:45] <andrewlsd> ... useful for containers. so that the container's bridge doesn't support ipv6, so containers tend not to attempt ipv6.  YMMV
[11:46] <theblazehen> andrewlsd fyi net.ipv6.conf.all.<stuff>
[11:49] <andrewlsd> ? theblazehen
[11:50] <theblazehen> andrewlsd So you don't need it for each interface afaik
[11:50] <andrewlsd> Yeah. I was nervous about disabling ipv6 on localhost
[11:50] <andrewlsd> apparently it can cause unexpected results. which is why I had _default_ set to 0
[11:50] <theblazehen> What's the worst that can happen? You need to reboot?
[11:51] <theblazehen> Says the guy with 60+ days of uptime
[12:12] <nsnzero> sorry got busy
[12:18] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: thanks
[12:19] <nsnzero> i will read up on ip6 later - but it works so i wont interfere
[12:32] <chesedo> nsnzero: when you read later, you can use 'ping6 2001:4860:4860::8888' to test if it works (it is the ipv6 equiv of ping <IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:35] <nsnzero> will try it chesedo
[12:43] <nsnzero> chat later guys - take care
[13:08] <andrewlsd> ciao
[16:18] <Kilos> sorry guys bad mobile signal here
[17:04] <nsnzero> good evening all
[17:05] <paddatrapper> evening nsnzero
[17:06] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper
[17:14] <paddatrapper> Don't forget meeting in 1.5 hours everyone
[17:25] <nsnzero> thanks paddatrapper - i will be on
[18:23]  * nsnzero is online
[18:26] <paddatrapper> \o
[18:26] <theblazehen> hey nsnzero, paddatrapper
[18:26] <paddatrapper> Hey theblazehen
[18:26] <nsnzero> hi again paddatrapper . theblazehen
[18:27] <nsnzero> quick question - i have /var on a seperate 10G partition is that enough ?
[18:28] <theblazehen> nsnzero Yeah, just watch /var/cache and /var/log
[18:28] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: Depends what you're doing, but yeah
[18:28] <theblazehen> Check your log rotation settings
[18:28] <nsnzero> df tells me that 13% is already used and this system is 1 week old
[18:28] <theblazehen> Consider using filesystem quotas?
[18:29] <nsnzero> i had quotas installed on the other system but wasnt set up
[18:29] <paddatrapper> what are you using it for? Mine is 2.4G and it's been going about a year
[18:30] <chesedo> evening all
[18:30] <paddatrapper> hi chesedo
[18:31] <nsnzero> nothing intensive . just web and a few terminal apps
[18:31] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[18:31] <chesedo> seems like we may have low attentance tonight
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Alrighty, meeting time?
[18:31] <paddatrapper> oom Kilos-, you around?
[18:32] <chesedo> Kilos- inetpro magespawn smile  spinza superfly theblazehen meeting about to start
[18:32] <smile> 😀
[18:32] <theblazehen> ack
[18:32] <smile> I will be listening
[18:32] <paddatrapper> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - February 2017
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Welcome all and thanks for joining in on our monthly meeting
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze
[18:33] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Alrighty
[18:33] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:33] <Maaz> chesedo: Righto
[18:33] <paddatrapper> The agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170228
[18:33] <paddatrapper> the agenda is short so any last minute addition are welcome
[18:33] <nsnzero> Maaz : nasan zero present
[18:33] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sorry...
[18:33] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Le Roux
[18:33] <Maaz> theblazehen: Righto
[18:34] <nsnzero> Maaz: i am nasan zero
[18:34] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sure
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Everyone happy with the agenda?
[18:34] <chesedo> yip
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with agenda
[18:34] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with agenda
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:34] <paddatrapper> previous meeting minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170124
[18:35] <paddatrapper> All good with the previous minutes?
[18:36] <nsnzero> yes - from myside
[18:36] <chesedo> seems so yes
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Plans for 2017
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2017
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Any updates on tareq, magespawn's and Kapanda's membership?
[18:37] <chesedo> nope, although I may know where to find tareq now
[18:37] <Kilos-> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:37] <Maaz> Kilos-: Righto
[18:37] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Haven't seen him
[18:37] <Kilos-> sorry im late guys
[18:38] <paddatrapper> no problem
[18:38] <nsnzero> apology accepted Kilos-
[18:38] <chesedo> i see magespawn's wiki is still blank too
[18:38] <chesedo> np Kilos-
[18:38] <Kilos-> tareg been offline for months
[18:38] <Kilos-> remove that paddatrapper
[18:38] <paddatrapper> ack
[18:38] <Kilos-> Maaz hi
[18:38]  * Maaz waves to Kilos-
[18:39] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed stop tracking tareg's membership application
[18:39] <Maaz> Agreed: stop tracking tareg's membership application
[18:39] <paddatrapper> Anyone else need help with membership, launchpad ID, etc?
[18:39] <chesedo> nope...
[18:39] <Kilos> huh
[18:40] <nsnzero> i am good
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Any update on Ubuntu for Hope?
[18:40] <chesedo> may i propose that we rename this section (Plan 20xx) to Next Steps?
[18:40] <paddatrapper> I second that
[18:40] <Kilos> nsnzero when you applying
[18:40] <chesedo> as in next steps for new users and establishes ones...
[18:40] <Kilos> paddatrapper thats your field isnt it
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed rename Plan 2017 to Next Steps
[18:40] <Maaz> Agreed: rename Plan 2017 to Next Steps
[18:40] <Kilos> oh no chesedo
[18:41] <nsnzero> applying for Kilos ?
[18:41] <chesedo> Kilos: what have i done???
[18:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: what is my field?
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly
[18:41] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 21 hours, 46 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-02-27 20:54:58 GMT], and has been online on freenode since 2017-02-22 03:09:03 GMT
[18:41] <Kilos> the ubuntu for hope
[18:42] <Kilos> someone here was involved
[18:42] <chesedo> oh...
[18:42]  * paddatrapper learns a new thing everyday :)
[18:42] <chesedo> we can move it to events?
[18:42] <Kilos> it was with karl wasnt it
[18:42] <chesedo> it is an (ongoing) event after all...
[18:42] <paddatrapper> If no-one knows who/what, maybe we strike it until someone who knows appears
[18:43] <Kilos> so much has happened i forget what went where
[18:43] <paddatrapper> Yeah or move it to events with Ubuntu education
[18:43]  * chesedo kmf and other Prt guys are involved there
[18:43] <Kilos> yes
[18:43] <chesedo> although only kmf has done stuff so far...
[18:43] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Move Ubuntu for Hope to events
[18:43] <Maaz> Agreed: Move Ubuntu for Hope to events
[18:43] <Kilos> im trying to remember who
[18:43] <nsnzero> i am in the education field i  can help out there
[18:44] <chesedo> Kilos: karl is correct
[18:44] <paddatrapper> I work at/attend educational institutions, but we generally use Debian
[18:45] <chesedo> the initial talks of it was about general PC edu at schools...
[18:45] <nsnzero> ubuntu for hope - can only find a facebook page for it
[18:45] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed nsnzero is willing to help out with Ubuntu for Hope
[18:45] <Maaz> Agreed: nsnzero is willing to help out with Ubuntu for Hope
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[18:45] <Kilos> chesedo you sure it wasnt you?
[18:45] <Kilos> oh maybe pieter
[18:45] <Kilos> forget his nick as well
[18:45] <paddatrapper> We probably should put more info out about it? Is it on the trello board?
[18:46] <chesedo> nsnzero: https://ubuntuforhope.org/
[18:46] <Kilos> nsnzero teach me not to forget
[18:46] <chesedo> nsnzero: https://gitlab.com/ubuntuforhope/ubuntuforhope.org
[18:46] <chesedo> Kilos: i am pieter
[18:46] <nsnzero> chesedo: thanks
[18:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:46] <chesedo> paddatrapper: good idea and no
[18:46] <Kilos> sorry
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed paddatrapper to add links to next meeting's agenda for Ubuntu for Hope
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: paddatrapper to add links to next meeting's agenda for Ubuntu for Hope
[18:47] <paddatrapper> and trello board *
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Events
[18:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:47] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[18:47] <paddatrapper> rubyfuza was earlier this month
[18:47] <paddatrapper> hi inetpro
[18:47] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:48] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:48]  * chesedo will contact kmf as well... maybe we can get a few fb posts and tweets out...
[18:48] <inetpro> Am I on time again?
[18:48] <paddatrapper> inetpro: of course :)
[18:48] <chesedo> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> inetpro apologise for being late
[18:48] <Kilos> i did
[18:49] <chesedo> paddatrapper: you can add that too ^^
[18:49] <Kilos> makes the young ones feel good to say accepted
[18:49] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper ;-)
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Plans for 2017
[18:49] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2017
[18:49] <inetpro> oops, sorry Oom Kilos
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed chesedo to contact kmf and organise a few fb posts
[18:49] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to contact kmf and organise a few fb posts
[18:49] <chesedo> inetpro: see now we are starting all over again :P
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Sorry my connection is a little slow at the moment
[18:50] <chesedo> np
[18:50] <Kilos> hahahaa
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Ok, shall we move on?
[18:50] <paddatrapper> haha
[18:50]  * chesedo just using it to tease inetpro
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Events
[18:50] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:50] <Kilos> no answer from server for 2 mins
[18:50] <paddatrapper> any feedback from rubyfuza?
[18:51] <Kilos> im lagging bad guys
[18:51] <Kilos> hi williamk
[18:51] <inetpro> hy lag baie hard?
[18:52] <chesedo> nope, only know of unloadable that might have had for the docker event...
[18:52] <chesedo> hi williamk
[18:52] <paddatrapper> Ok, then the Docker roadshow?
[18:52] <nsnzero> off topic does ubuntu for hope have a letterhead or something similar ?
[18:52] <williamk> Hi All
[18:52] <nsnzero> hi there williamk
[18:52] <paddatrapper> hi williamk
[18:52] <chesedo> nsnzero: nope, it is very simple
[18:52] <inetpro> hi williamk
[18:52] <williamk> Maaz: I a William Kinghorn
[18:52] <Maaz> williamk: *blink*
[18:53] <Kilos> m
[18:53] <Kilos> maak reg willie
[18:53] <chesedo> nsnzero: you might also want to talk with williamk as he is in the know on education too
[18:53] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed no-one has info on the docker roadshow or rubyfuza
[18:53] <Maaz> Agreed: no-one has info on the docker roadshow or rubyfuza
[18:54] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seems that unloadable may have forgot...
[18:54] <paddatrapper> Lots happening this month though
[18:54] <nsnzero> me moves closer to williamk
[18:54] <Kilos> he does the books thi k
[18:54] <Kilos> thing
[18:54] <paddatrapper> scaleconf, devconf and FreeBeerSessions all in the beginning of march
[18:54] <williamk> Kilos: still trying
[18:55] <paddatrapper> Anyone planning on attending any?
[18:55] <Kilos> williamk maybe nsnzero can help
[18:56] <chesedo> all are a bit out of my reach
[18:56] <paddatrapper> I'm planning on going to the CT FreeBeerSession
[18:56] <Kilos> wbb
[18:56] <paddatrapper> Should be pretty cool
[18:56] <williamk> nsnzero: just joined so don't know what you talking about
[18:56] <nsnzero> freebeer i am guessing since its open source you get the recipe and make it yourself ?
[18:57]  * chesedo rofl
[18:57] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: that would be libre beer sessions :)
[18:57] <chesedo> then the instruments also has to be open source i guess
[18:57] <inetpro> paddatrapper: I think it was unlaudable who was talking about docker
[18:57] <paddatrapper> inetpro: ack
[18:58] <nsnzero> williamk: sorry i am alitle lost also - we chat after the meeting
[18:58] <paddatrapper> scaleconf was looking for helpers, but I think they're now sorted
[18:59] <williamk> For you beer lovers, in the repos - Brewtarget and qbrew
[18:59] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed paddatrapper is attending the free beer sessions CT
[18:59] <Maaz> Agreed: paddatrapper is attending the free beer sessions CT
[19:00] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed scaleconf - 9-10 March, Johannesburg; devconf - 9 March, Johannesburg; FreeBeerSessions - 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg
[19:00] <Maaz> Agreed: scaleconf - 9-10 March, Johannesburg; devconf - 9 March, Johannesburg; FreeBeerSessions - 2 March, Cape Town/Johannesburg
[19:00] <paddatrapper> any other events coming up?
[19:01] <chesedo> nope
[19:01] <chesedo> afaik
[19:01] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:01] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:01] <Kilos> williamk they were talking about education stuff like ubuntu for hope and then you arrived just in time
[19:01] <paddatrapper> this may be a topic for nsnzero, williamk: Ubuntu education project
[19:01] <inetpro> chesedo: any developments after your discussion with superfly yesterday?
[19:02] <inetpro> re the bots with news  etc
[19:02] <Kilos> yes where are the new bots paddatrapper
[19:02] <chesedo> inetpro: about trying to split tasks and job listings?
[19:02]  * chesedo almost forgot
[19:02] <Kilos> you guys are slow you know
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Kilos: new bots? I just fix Maaz
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Is there a wiki-page/trello item that we can track progress on?
[19:03] <Kilos> fly rather goes and plays in the snow
[19:03]  * paddatrapper hasn't looked at the trello board lately
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Kilos: and sick kids
[19:03] <chesedo> paddatrapper: may i have a (late) section after this one?
[19:04] <paddatrapper> chesedo: cool
[19:04] <Kilos> Maaz ddg weather
[19:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Kilos: next release of ibid
[19:04] <Kilos> the new ibids man
[19:04] <chesedo> williamk: what is your book about?
[19:05] <Kilos> its about supplying education books to needy kids like me
[19:06] <chesedo> which subject?
[19:06] <chesedo> and how is it going?
[19:06] <williamk> chesedo: Wanting to start Documentation Project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:07] <williamk> Subjects wii
[19:07] <Kilos> williamk didnt you have some links on the project
[19:07] <paddatrapper> I heard a KDE developer talk about an open source set of textbooks they were developing, but I'm struggling to find a link
[19:08] <chesedo> williamk: if i remember correctly, the issue last time was having a web space to co-ordinate things?
[19:08] <paddatrapper> found it: https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:08] <williamk> Subjects will be dependate on who wants to write what, and when teachers join
[19:08] <chesedo> wow, some site that paddatrapper
[19:09] <paddatrapper> williamk: similar to the Shuttleworth Foundation's (I think) Maths and Science textbooks from a few years back?
[19:09] <nsnzero> little info here - seems like the DOE likes to change textbooks every year - i have to get new books with the updates -costs a small fortune
[19:09] <paddatrapper> Maaz: wikiToLearn is https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:09] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it
[19:10] <paddatrapper> Maaz: KDE education project is also https://www.wikitolearn.org/
[19:10] <Maaz> paddatrapper: I'll remember that
[19:10] <williamk> Something more like http://flossmanuals.net/
[19:10] <Kilos> 2 min lag here guys
[19:11] <nsnzero> thutong.doe.gov.za
[19:11] <chesedo> williamk: will it be for sa schools (or aimed at)?
[19:12] <chesedo> nsnzero: that site does not exist
[19:12] <williamk> Where we have a book creation colloborative app , and a website where people can download to the finnished books
[19:12] <nsnzero> http://www.thutong.doe.gov.za/
[19:13] <williamk> chesedo: Yes for SA school, but others can adapt to their needs
[19:13] <chesedo> oh boy, that thing does not even have a dns record for when the www is missing
[19:14] <chesedo> williamk: so which next step is needed?
[19:14] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed williamk wants to start a documentation project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:14] <Maaz> Agreed: williamk wants to start a documentation project, Not only for FLOSS, but also creating Textbooks for schools, only using FLOSS software
[19:15] <superfly> Sorry I missed the meeting, it's in the middle of my morning
[19:15] <nsnzero> morning superfly
[19:15] <paddatrapper> np superfly, morning
[19:15] <superfly> or are we still in it?
[19:16] <inetpro> yep
[19:16] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[19:16] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[19:16] <nsnzero> if i have some time i will work on leads to help out williamk
[19:16] <chesedo> np superfly, you are just in time to further yesterday's discussion... we are almost there
[19:16] <paddatrapper> superfly: talking about Ubuntu education projects
[19:16] <paddatrapper> alright, chesedo you have the floor
[19:17] <chesedo> thanks paddatrapper
[19:17] <chesedo> yesterday superfly shared the structure of their meetings over there and it sparked 3 ideas...
[19:18] <chesedo> to have a news and/or jobs listings sections?
[19:18] <chesedo> to divide these meeting sections to peers?
[19:19] <inetpro> bye zaki
[19:19] <nsnzero> like sub committees  to report back ?
[19:19] <chesedo> like blaze always seems to be in the know on the latest stuff if he would like to share the highlights...
[19:19]  * Kilos pricks ears
[19:20] <theblazehen> chesedo sounds good
[19:20] <chesedo> and hilton (from sulug) has posted a lot of jobs listing in the past... and then there is also the jobs listings at each's own works that others my find interesting...
[19:21] <paddatrapper> chesedo: and the third thing?
[19:21] <williamk> DBE has the National Curriculum Statement http://www.education.gov.za/Curriculum/CurriculumAssessmentPolicyStatements(CAPS)/CAPSFET.aspx
[19:21] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i went blank :D
[19:21] <williamk> We have to put that into manuals
[19:21] <paddatrapper> chesedo: lol :)
[19:22] <Kilos> old age
[19:22] <inetpro> 1. news, 2. jobs and 3. blank
[19:22]  * Kilos feels good
[19:22] <paddatrapper> I like the job listings, I'm not sure how the peers idea would work in practice
[19:23] <inetpro> next time fill in the blank
[19:23] <chesedo> either point one was two things, or there was another...
[19:23] <paddatrapper> news is also good :)
[19:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:24] <chesedo> and sounds like theblazehen is up to it...
[19:24] <inetpro> superfly: help
[19:24] <nsnzero> ubuntu 17 beta 1 is released
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: I have no idea, it was chesedo's ideas, I just shared the logs from the most recent AZLoCo meeting,.
[19:24] <superfly> chesedo: I also mentioned weekly meetings, but I think that's a bit much for Ubuntu-ZA
[19:25] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i can try to reach hilton to discuss his input (or find his methods)...
[19:25] <superfly> post on the mailing list?
[19:25] <paddatrapper> chesedo: Ok, but in principle I'm game
[19:25] <magespawn> good night all
[19:26] <chesedo> superfly: things like news and the positions can became stale in a month so we may have to see about that
[19:26] <nsnzero> night magespawn
[19:26] <paddatrapper> Maybe they should be plugins/knowledge we add to Maaz?
[19:26] <superfly> maybe a mini meeting once a week and a maxi meeting once a month? irrunno
[19:27] <superfly> that's a lot of work
[19:27] <inetpro> could work
[19:27] <chesedo> paddatrapper: the peers idea is like say has a collection of news (that get shared with him) and some else the positions...
[19:27] <paddatrapper> chesedo: ah ok
[19:27] <chesedo> then they would quickly list them (like events) in the meeting and we move on...
[19:28] <Kilos> thanks for joining us superfly
[19:28] <chesedo> theblazehen: are you up for it?
[19:28] <Kilos> we know you yanks are rather busy
[19:28] <paddatrapper> Ok shall we try it out next month and see how it goes? or try a mini weekly meeting?
[19:29] <theblazehen> chesedo:  yeah
[19:29] <Kilos> wb williamk
[19:29] <inetpro> someone would have to go through the list of news and reduce it to just the top 5 or so
[19:29] <chesedo> maybe biweekly first, to test it and keep the load small
[19:29] <chesedo> inetpro: correct
[19:30] <paddatrapper> sounds good, though my attendance in the evening for the next while is going to be spotty
[19:30] <superfly> good idea, chesedo
[19:30] <williamk> Kilos : still here
[19:30] <Kilos> :D
[19:30] <chesedo> so the mini meeting will be about the news, positions and maybe education if we can start it
[19:30] <chesedo> ?
[19:30] <paddatrapper> what day of the week?
[19:31] <paddatrapper> I suggest a Wednesday or Monday
[19:31] <chesedo> i have no idea... guess there is a reason why it is Tuesdays?
[19:31] <chesedo> Kilos inetpro superfly nsnzero ^^
[19:32] <inetpro> tough one
[19:32] <superfly> irunno
[19:32] <chesedo> williamk your input too ^^
[19:32] <Kilos> was to accomodate maia
[19:32] <Kilos> anyday ok with me if i can stay awake
[19:32] <inetpro> book the meeting and have it with those who can make it
[19:32] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seems like your call
[19:33]  * chesedo ok with both
[19:33] <paddatrapper> Wednesday then? Mondays seem to be a little slow
[19:33]  * theblazehen is good with any day
[19:33] <chesedo> paddatrapper: +1
[19:33] <Kilos> check mailing list as well and see if you can get feedack form some new guys
[19:33] <inetpro> ya Mondays can be rough
[19:33] <Kilos> s/form/from
[19:34] <williamk> Kilos : start the meet at 7:30 or 8
[19:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed biweekly mini meeting about the news, positions and maybe education on Wednesdays
[19:34] <Maaz> Agreed: biweekly mini meeting about the news, positions and maybe education on Wednesdays
[19:34] <nsnzero> guys i am calling it a night - i will catch up tomorrow
[19:34] <nsnzero> good night all
[19:34] <chesedo> night nsnzero
[19:34] <Kilos> williamk the family gues prefer 8 or 8.30
[19:34] <Kilos> im easy
[19:34] <inetpro> peeps with kids need family time
[19:34] <williamk> nsnzero : do you still want to talk
[19:35] <paddatrapper> I'd go with 8:30, to keep it consistant
[19:35] <chesedo> right
[19:35] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Mini meeting start at 20:30 SAST
[19:35] <Maaz> Agreed: Mini meeting start at 20:30 SAST
[19:35] <Kilos> 2 weeks time
[19:35] <chesedo> paddatrapper: and theblazehen to handle the news section
[19:36] <Kilos> get list feedback
[19:36] <chesedo> Kilos: right
[19:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Starting in two weeks (14 March) theblazehen will handle the news
[19:36] <Maaz> Agreed: Starting in two weeks (14 March) theblazehen will handle the news
[19:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:37] <chesedo> paddatrapper: that would be the 15th (Wednesday)
[19:37] <paddatrapper> The next full meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30
[19:37] <paddatrapper> chesedo: thanks
[19:37] <chesedo> +1
[19:37] <inetpro> +1
[19:37] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march
[19:37] <Kilos> thanks for attending everyone and well done paddatrapper
[19:37] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 28 March 2017 @ 20:30
[19:38] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:38] <williamk> Thanks all
[19:38] <inetpro> so we list the mini meetings in the topic as well?
[19:38] <paddatrapper> I will probably not be here next month, so who wants to chair?
[19:38]  * chesedo thinks paddatrapper did an excelent job
[19:38] <Kilos> yip
[19:38] <chesedo> i will be here if no one else is
[19:38] <Kilos> you on next meet chesedo
[19:39] <chesedo> inetpro: you want another wack?
[19:39] <Kilos> chesedo +1
[19:39] <inetpro> +1 for chesedo
[19:39] <Kilos> haha
[19:39] <inetpro> my days are packed
[19:39] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:40] <chesedo> np inetpro
[19:40] <Kilos> and im busy
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting
[19:40] <Kilos> im getting like everyone else now
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Thanks everyone for coming
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Maaz: end meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:40] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.html
[19:40] <Kilos> even when sleeping they busy
[19:40] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper
[19:40] <Kilos> danke paddatrapper
[19:40] <superfly> By the way, apparently Makro now sells servers: https://www.makro.co.za/computing-and-mobile/servers-EAG/pg1?CategoryBusinessKeys=EAG&Division=General%20Merchandise&Category4=Desktops%20and%20Notebooks&Category3=Servers
[19:40] <chesedo> and thank you paddatrapper for a great job
[19:40] <paddatrapper> thanks guys, anytime
[19:40] <Kilos> yes paddatrapper well done lad
[19:41] <chesedo> they also sell hard drives for over R150k
[19:41] <Kilos> those feet dont affect you much
[19:41] <inetpro> anyone importing mobile phones?
[19:41] <paddatrapper> Kilos: lol, just need my hands to type!
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41]  * chesedo would like to import and aquarius in the future, but not currently
[19:42] <chesedo> a/and/an/
[19:42]  * inetpro wants a cheap Samsung A5 2017
[19:42] <inetpro> or better
[19:43] <superfly> inetpro: anything that's not a Samsung is better
[19:43] <inetpro> ai!
[19:43] <Kilos> thank you guys , and sorry i missed so many meetings
[19:43] <paddatrapper> samsung is solid, they just keep going
[19:43] <chesedo> williamk: how did it go with the server that you wanted to setup last year?
[19:43] <superfly> paddatrapper: not in my experience. LG does a better job
[19:44] <inetpro> thanks paddatrapper, I agree with you there
[19:44] <paddatrapper> superfly: I still have a S2 that is going strong (just needs a new battery)
[19:44] <superfly> paddatrapper: my S3 was a complete fail
[19:45] <superfly> My LG G2 is still going strong
[19:45] <paddatrapper> S3 was dodgy, yeah...
[19:45] <inetpro> my son still using my old Note 2 from 6 years ago
[19:45] <paddatrapper> I also still have a Note 2 - my dad is currently using it
[19:46] <inetpro> ok maybe not 6, but 5 years
[19:47] <inetpro> almost
[19:47] <williamk> Chesedo: did not work out, still trying
[19:47] <chesedo> williamk: what was the software you tried again?
[19:49] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight
[19:49] <williamk> Booktype, I eventually got it working, but on Debian, but could not create PDFs
[19:50] <williamk> Night Kilos
[19:52] <williamk> Pressbooks ( WordPress plugin ) has a pay plugin for creating PDFs, but mow has a free plugin based on mPDF, so am going to try that
[19:53] <chesedo> williamk: ah right... i can try to see if i can get it up on my server during the week
[19:54] <williamk> Also going to try coko.foundation Pubsweet : https://coko.foundation/new-pubsweet-release/
[19:54] <chesedo> williamk: what are the main features you are looking for?
[19:55] <paddatrapper> williamk: I'm a little hestant about booktype, mainly because I distrust sourcefabric. They abandoned their FLOSS radio scheduling software Airtime in favour of their hosted propriatary version. They can quite easily do the same here...
[19:55] <paddatrapper> What about LaTeX files in git?
[19:58] <paddatrapper> All depends what you are looking for...
[19:58] <paddatrapper> alright I'm off. Night everyone
[19:58] <paddatrapper> Maaz: FLOSS Manuals is http://flossmanuals.net/
[19:58] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it
[19:59] <williamk> chesedo: create manuals for FLOSS software, textbooks for schools, FLOSS manuals for ECDL/ICDL Certification using FLOSS, created with FLOSS Software
[19:59] <inetpro> good night everybody
[20:00] <williamk> ECDL/ICDL Certification : eg.  Using LibreOffice instead of MS Office
[20:00] <chesedo> williamk: by features i mean... allow collaboration... export to pdf...
[20:01] <chesedo> for the app to have that is...
[20:01] <williamk> Yes collaboration
[20:02] <williamk> Pubsweet is all about creating books/whatever collaboratively
[20:02] <chesedo> ok so far i have: it should be floss, have collaboration and support pdf and possible postscript for the textbook creation
[20:03] <chesedo> it seems nice too
[20:03] <williamk> https://coko.foundation/facilitation/
[20:06] <chesedo> williamk: i might try it first and will let you know
[20:07] <williamk> Chesedo : Thanks, am also going to try, Will be using MariaDB with PressBooks
[20:09] <williamk> Also possibly EPUB format
[20:09] <chesedo> ok, 5 items... got it
[20:11] <chesedo> i am off to bed... night guys
[20:12] <williamk> Night chesedo, all


[17:50] <penguin42> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-68250382 calling that 'fluffy' is excellent


[01:05] <lifeless> wgrant: whats a 'delayed' copy
[01:05] <wgrant> lifeless: Hee hee.
[01:06] <lifeless> closing-bugs does a copy into *hoary* (the dev series) of 1.0
[01:06] <lifeless> which of course I've now created as part of fixing the start of the test.
[01:06] <wgrant> lifeless: Delayed copies are used to copy from private to public archives. They create a fresh PackageUpload referencing the existing SPR.
[01:08] <lifeless> Its triggered multiple results in .package_upload
[01:08] <lifeless> lib/lp/soyuz/model/sourcepackagerelease.py
[01:12] <wgrant> lifeless: What's the actual problem?
[01:12] <wgrant> Oh.
[01:12] <wgrant> I see.
[01:13] <lifeless>  http://pastebin.com/c4QZn2RE
[01:13] <lifeless> + my branch
[01:13] <wgrant> I am guessing that the test creates a PackageUpload for an existing SPR with a changesfile?
[01:13] <lifeless> it uploads into hoary, which only worked previously because hoary is badly damaged in the sample data
[01:15] <wgrant> Heh.
[01:15] <lifeless> on the up side
[01:15] <lifeless> I have a librarian process leaking if I run just this one test
[01:15] <wgrant> Ah, excellent!
[01:17] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #479: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 23 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/479/
[01:19] <lifeless> wgrant: bug 725373
[01:19] <_mup_> Bug #725373: reproducable test librarian (and sometimes memcached) leak <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/725373 >
[01:20] <wgrant> lifeless: Thanks, I'll look at that on Monday if you don't.
[01:20] <lifeless> that would be cool
[01:20] <lifeless> I'm actually going to leave this branch for a bit
[01:21] <lifeless> I have other yaks to shave; if you wanted to have a brief poke monday, and let me know whats probably easiest - its soyuz stuff i haven't done a lot with - in terms of moving forward
[01:21] <lifeless> that would be /awesome/ [more awesome still would be a patch to resolve the test fail]
[01:34] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #397: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 50 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/397/
[02:37] <lifeless> Hard / Soft  Page ID
[02:37] <lifeless>      130 /  214  BugTask:+index
[02:37] <lifeless>       62 /    2  Cve:+index
[02:41] <lifeless> ok, thats odd
[02:41] <lifeless> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1882E511
[02:41] <lifeless> 1.8 seconds getting *one* LFA
[03:05] <lifeless> otoh we're down by another 100 oopses \o/
[03:12] <Ursinha> \o/
[03:16] <jelmer> lifeless: wow.
[03:17] <lifeless> jelmer: ?
[03:17] <jelmer> lifeless: euhm, I meant to say
[03:17] <jelmer> lifeless: wow!
[03:17] <lifeless> jelmer: about ?
[03:17] <jelmer> lifeless: I wouldn't have expected that to happen this quickly.
[03:18] <jelmer> lifeless: the OOPSes
[03:18] <lifeless> jelmer: 100 frequency, not distinct pageids
[03:18] <jelmer> oh
[03:18] <jelmer> sorry, never mind me
[03:18] <lifeless> jelmer: we are making progress :)
[03:20] <lifeless> the frequency drop is the removal of the bugnotification filters I think overnight
[03:20] <lifeless> was only half the day
[03:20] <lifeless> so expect to see more tomorrow
[06:36] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #480: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 19 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/480/
[06:56] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #398: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 22 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/398/
[07:47] <wgrant> lifeless: Also the checkwatches stuff.
[07:48] <wgrant> About 2/3 of them should be gone.
[07:48] <lifeless> \o/
[07:48] <wgrant> About 1/2 of the remaining will be fixed on Monday.
[07:48] <wgrant> Just need to attack doctests violently.
[07:50] <wgrant> buildbot is being oddly reliable today.
[07:50] <wgrant> No full-scale Windmill failures.
[07:50] <wgrant> Just that one buggy test.
[08:02] <StevenK> Jenkins keeps failing on checkwatches.txt
[08:08] <wgrant> It does.
[08:08] <wgrant> No idea why.
[08:08] <wgrant> ec2 and buildbot are fine.
[12:26] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #399: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 30 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/399/
[17:57] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #400: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 30 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/400/
[19:03] <jelmer> the recent daily build enhancements are awesome, thanks :)
[19:04] <lifeless> its looking really great isn't it
[19:04] <lifeless> the project is finished now
[19:09] <jelmer> yeah, the recent polishing of it was really good


[00:07] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Since you're friends with vorlon now, can you https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/xorg/-/merge_requests/17 maybe?
[00:07] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Merge 17 in xorg-team/xorg "60x11-common_xdg_path: Inject the variables set into the session via dbus-update-activation-environment." [Opened]
[00:07] <JackFrost> Well, I guess it's really up to you, but that should fix it.
[00:23] <JackFrost> (Aka I don't know what else to do with that one...)
[10:59] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Thanks, sorry.  I'm over at my sister's helping out so only partially online right now.
[11:19] <bluesabre> JackFrost: no worries!
[11:19] <bluesabre> krytarik: Do you remember if changes made here (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/+git/xubuntu-cdimage-css/+ref/master) are applied automatically... or do we need to ping somebody?
[16:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-notifyd 0.8.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:51] <aaronprisk[m]> Hey Xubuntu folks, our testing week begins next week and I want to make sure we're supplying the community with the best resources to help out the flavours. Are there any Xubuntu specific testing announcements or resources you'd like us to include in our postings?
[22:08] <krytarik> bluesabre: Yeah, we need to ping someone to deploy it.. and I think it was vorlon.
[22:26] <aaronprisk[m]> bluesabre: did you happen to catch my message about Testing Week? I want to make sure we have everything ready to go for Thursday.
[22:41] <krytarik> bluesabre:  table a[href$=".OVERSIZED"] { padding-left: 0; } -- I'd put the code more like this here though ('$' vs '*', and dropped the 'em'), not that it's really going to make a difference there..
[22:43] <krytarik> And do we not get the oversize warning mail, like to the -devel list? :3
[22:50] <JackFrost> aaronprisk[m]: With https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/xorg/-/merge_requests/17 not uploaded, testing is rather moot as none of our settings will be applied.
[22:50] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Merge 17 in xorg-team/xorg "60x11-common_xdg_path: Inject the variables set into the session via dbus-update-activation-environment." [Opened]
[22:50] <JackFrost> I mean it can test the installer, and...well for crashes I guess, but xubuntu-default-settings is basically ignored.
[22:59] <JackFrost> krytarik: In the past I'm pretty sure I've seen them on the moderation queue, but not right now.
[23:00] <bluesabre> krytarik: Ah, good call. I think the oversized emails get caught in the mod queue. If we were to get them, we’d get them every day 😅
[23:00] <bluesabre> JackFrost: beat me to it ;)
[23:04] <krytarik> bluesabre: Isn't that exactly the point of those mails though?  Not only to get aware that stuff needs adjusted one way or another, but also to get so annoyed by them at some point to actually do it?  In fact, I'm getting Studio oversize reminders for what feels like months now.. XD
[23:06] <bluesabre> krytarik: Yes, indeed!
[23:06] <JackFrost> I tend to ping bluesabre once so he knows on IRC, then discard.  I could put a note here every time I discard. :D


[06:05] <dpm> good morning all
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <dpm> hi jppiiroinen, I've got a very basic question on Qt Creator/qmake: if I add an install rule to a .pro file, is there a way I can invoke that rule from within Qt Creator, or do I have to do it on the command line (i.e. qmake && make install) ?
[07:45] <jppiiroinen> dpm: good question, never tried
[07:46] <dpm> jppiiroinen, I know there is a big button to build the project, but I wonder if there is support for running other targets from within Qt Creator
[07:47] <jppiiroinen> dpm: not that i would have seen one
[07:48] <dpm> jppiiroinen, hm then I guess there isn't a way
[07:48] <jppiiroinen> dpm: you might want to ask it in #qt-creator
[07:48] <dpm> thanks, joining that channel
[08:02] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: good morning, I managed to get the ubuntu-ui-extras package to build, and am modifying webbrowser-app to use it. so far it works, but i have a problem: since i have been working on other stuff too in the meantime, there are extra changes in your tree that i haven't ported to the component (for example the tabs support). i will need help with those, I think
[08:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: sure
[08:06] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: the thing is, I’m leaving on holidays tonight, and I don’t think I’ll have time today (working hard on the history view)
[08:53] <gusch> nerochiaro: I have two camera MRs https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/camera-app/camera-video-duration-orientation/+merge/170267 and https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/camera-app/camera-video-orientation/+merge/170053
[09:04] <nerochiaro> timp: zsombi: Kaleo: i finally managed to put together an ubuntu-ui-extras branch that works. can any of you during the following days spend some time validating that it's up to standards, works fine, etc ? lp:~amanzi-team/ubuntu-ui-extras/ubuntu-ui-extras-initial
[09:05] <nerochiaro> timp: zsombi: Kaleo: i will get back to it on monday, so take your time, but make sure everything is there by that day so i can hack on it straight away
[09:06] <nerochiaro> gusch: the orientation for video MR basically makes sure the orientation is always set before starting a recording, right ?
[09:07] <gusch> nerochiaro: correct - before it was only for photos
[09:07] <gusch> nerochiaro: all the rest for the orientation support is reviewd by jim
[09:07] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok
[09:08] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok, both reviews comment-approved, one has a little nitpick that you may or may not want to fix
[09:08] <nerochiaro> gusch: other than that, i think you're good to go once someone verifies on device
[09:09] <gusch> nerochiaro: I use "d" as id - inspired by Qt C++ - but if you prefer another name, no problem - suggest one
[09:11] <nerochiaro> gusch: that's ok, it's just not very clear to me, and i think we have this best practice of always trying to have self-explanatory variable and object names
[09:11] <nerochiaro> gusch: but as i said: nitpick
[09:16] <dholbach> JamesTai2, thanks a bunch for sending the update!
[09:18] <zsombi> nerochiaro: took a quick look on it
[09:19] <nerochiaro> zsombi: thanks, i emailed you all about it too
[09:19] <zsombi> nerochiaro: SelectionPopover seems to be pretty similar to ActionSelectionPopover...
[09:20] <nerochiaro> zsombi: what i meant was not to review the Browser code itself, was more to validate the structure of the plugin and package in terms of directories, where things are installed, package names etc
[09:20] <nerochiaro> zsombi: but that comment regarding the Browser is probably valid and oSoMoN should have a look into that
[09:20] <zsombi> nerochiaro: should this be a separate package or should it be included in the Ubuntu Components?
[09:21] <nerochiaro> zsombi: separate, in a ubuntu-ui-extras package as it does not need to meet sdk full standards, according to Kaleo
[09:21] <JamesTai2> dholbach, I need to keep on top of them, hopefully make them weekly.
[09:21] <dholbach> great :)
[09:21] <zsombi> nerochiaro: then perhaps Ubuntu.Extras as module would be better as Ubuntu.Components and anything under it should meet SDK standards...
[09:22] <nerochiaro> zsombi: we discussed this with Kaleo and he was ok with Ubuntu.Components.Extras but i'm up for changing things if he agrees
[09:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: which comment?
[09:22] <zsombi> nerochiaro: at least that's my opinion... but he's the boss :)
[09:23] <nerochiaro> zsombi: in any case, i have to run for now, i might be back later. ideally if it's possible to create an lp:ubuntu-ui-extras and request a merge of my branch into it, then we can have proper MR comments that i can go and check when i'm back
[09:24] <nerochiaro> zsombi: Kaleo was the one i discuss all this with, i'm including you and timp as i know he doesn't have tons of time, but you 3 should discuss it together and then someone review i guess
[09:24] <JamesTai2> Good morning all - have a happy, relaxed World Sauntering Day. :)
[09:24] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i sent you 3 an email with more details
[09:24] <zsombi> nerochiaro: well, in the case it doesn' tneed to meet SDK standards, I don't think we have anything to ask :)
[09:24] <zsombi> nerochiaro: I saw it
[09:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: <zsombi> nerochiaro: SelectionPopover seems to be pretty similar to ActionSelectionPopover...
[09:25] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: can you please file a bug to track that?
[09:25] <nerochiaro> zsombi: :) well, i'm not sure how you guys want to do it, i just thought that since it is still related to sdk you would need to be somehow the gatekeepers of it
[09:25] <zsombi> nerochiaro: right :)
[09:26] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'll let zsombi file it as he knows better what he meant with that comment
[09:26] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if you and him don't mind ;)
[09:26] <oSoMoN> sure
[09:26] <zsombi> oSoMoN: where should I file the bug? There' snothing released, no MR to comment yet...
[09:27] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i would've asked Kaleo only but I thought i would include you too as well as you always have more time and good input
[09:27] <oSoMoN> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+filebug
[09:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: zsombi: anyway, time for me to go for now, thanks for all the help
[09:28] <zsombi> nerochiaro: cheers!
[09:28] <oSoMoN> cheers, have a good rest of the week
[09:28] <nerochiaro> you too guys
[09:29] <nerochiaro> and oSoMoN happy holidays
[09:30] <zsombi> oSoMoN: shoudl I assign to U?
[09:30] <oSoMoN> zsombi: please do
[09:31] <zsombi> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1192507
[09:31] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1192507 in webbrowser-app "Ubuntu.Component.Extras SelectionPopover looks similar to ActionSelectionPopover" [Undecided,New]
[09:31] <timp> what's the ubuntu-ui-extras for?
[09:32] <timp> it makes me wonder, is ubuntu-ui-toolkit the only project using qmake instead of cmake? perhaps we should consider switching to cmake
[09:34] <oSoMoN> zsombi: thanks
[10:05] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: hey
[10:06] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: I'm trying to debug why maliit-server crashes when introspecting with autopilot
[10:06] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: but Can't see any debug output.
[10:06] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: any idea if that's disabled somewhere in maliit?
[10:18] <timp> zsombi: will you review https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/toolbarItems/+merge/170070 ?
[10:19] <zsombi> timp: yes
[10:19] <timp> thanks
[10:20] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: yes, it redirects it somehow
[10:20] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: export MALIIT_DEBUG=enabled
[10:20] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: thanks!
[10:20] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: I found out that qWarning()s are printed
[10:21] <tmoenicke> yep, just not qDebug()
[10:41] <Laney> Kaleo: here? Can you take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5780061/ and tell me if I'm using the SES right?
[10:41] <Laney> because it doesn't get rounded goodness
[11:18] <Kaleo> Laney: it's right but you are not hiding the original image
[11:18] <Kaleo> Laney: so you still see it on top
[11:19] <Kaleo> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-shadereffectsource.html#hideSource-prop
[11:20] <Laney> Kaleo: That just seems to make it disappear completely
[11:21] <Kaleo> Laney: if you remove the whos SES and Image do you see the Shape?
[11:23] <Laney> Kaleo: There's no border, no
[11:23] <Laney> Does that make a difference?
[11:23] <Kaleo> Laney: yes
[11:23] <Laney> UbuntuShape.qml does some stuff which looks to be setting that up
[11:23] <Kaleo> Laney: try setting a baseColor, a gradientColor and radius: "medium"
[11:23] <Kaleo> Laney: and visible: true
[11:25] <Laney> OK so I'm copying some stuff from UbuntuShape
[11:29] <Laney> Kaleo: ItemStyle.class seemed to be the key one
[11:30] <Laney> Kaleo: So I have the border now but still no image
[11:32] <timp> Laney: try adding radius: frame.radius to the Shape
[11:32] <timp> uhm, sorry not frame.radius
[11:32] <timp> but "small"
[11:33] <timp> or "medium" :)
[11:33] <timp> as Kaleo said
[11:33] <Laney> I had medium, that's how I got the border to work
[11:33] <Laney> it's just the image contained within it that doesn't appear
[11:34] <timp> Laney: shadereffectsource doesn't have a width/height
[11:34] <timp> try to set that explicitly
[11:36] <Laney> timp: no good :/
[11:36] <Laney> sorry
[11:37] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5780177/
[11:39] <Laney> I'll get back to integrating CrossFadeImage for now
[11:47] <Kaleo> Laney: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5780204/
[11:47] <Kaleo> Laney: that works
[11:48] <Kaleo> Laney: the reason why it was not working is that the SES needs to be instantiated outside of the Shape for some reason
[11:48] <Kaleo> Laney: I also had to add a hack so that the SES is not visible
[11:48] <Kaleo> Laney: width and height: 1
[11:49] <Laney> aha
[11:49] <Laney> also the fillMode is ignored
[11:49] <Kaleo> Laney: yes so look at how it's done in UbuntuShape to respect it
[12:40] <dpm> seb128, I'm writing a scope for a tutorial on d.u.c. One of the parts is to create a dbus .service file that contains an Exec= line with the path to the executable. The path is /usr/lib/[arch-triplet]/blahblah - do you know if there is any clever trick to express that [arch-triplet] part in there so that it's valid for all architectures, or do I need to get the build system to determine it and replace it at build time?
[12:41] <seb128> dpm, you need the build system to do it
[12:41] <dpm> I thought so, bummer
[12:42] <seb128> dpm, well just install ot /usr/lib/<software> if you want to make things easier
[12:43] <dpm> seb128, thanks for confirming. Hm, no, I want to make it easier for app devs, but they should really install in the same location as the other scopes
[13:35]  * timp sent e-mail to ubuntu-phone about toolbar API update.
[13:46] <timp> gusch: the updates I made to the toolbar are now in UITK trunk.
[13:46] <timp> gusch: so you if you have no further comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/gallery-app/toolbarItems/+merge/170115 you can approve it.
[13:47] <gusch> timp: I did not yet really review it - will do it now
[13:47] <timp> gusch: one jenkins test is marked as UNSTABLE. I don't know why. Is it a jenkins issue or something with the MR?
[13:48] <boiko> timp: I'll go ahead and update the phone-app too
[13:48] <timp> gusch: I sent an e-mail to ubuntu-phone mailing list with a bit of background information
[13:48] <gusch> timp: I retrigger the jenkins job, and will have a look
[13:48] <timp> boiko: ok, great. let me know if you need help
[13:49] <boiko> timp: thanks
[13:49] <timp> gusch, boiko I don't know when the new uitk packages are built, but they should appear automatically
[13:49] <boiko> timp: if you happen to notice when it gets released, please let us know
[13:50] <timp> ok
[13:50] <boiko> timp: (phone-app is in manual release mode still so we can control when to release it)
[13:59] <gusch> timp: ok - looks good - I will update the UITK later today and test it
[14:04] <timp> gusch: thanks. you'll need version bzr550 of the uitk packages. current is 549
[14:57] <nik90> timp: Thanks for the update on the core-apps mailing list.
[14:57] <nik90> timp: I have some questions if you are free to answer
[15:00] <timp> nik90: sure
[15:02] <timp> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin: Installed: 0.1.46daily13.06.14bzr544raring0 Candidate: 0.1.46daily13.06.19bzr550raring0
[15:03] <timp> boiko, gusch ^ 550 is there, so good to go.
[15:04] <gusch> timp: ok - thx
[15:04] <nik90> timp: I see that property bool visible has been deprecated. Does this mean that it wouldn
[15:04] <nik90> timp: wouldn't be able to hide toolbar buttons anymore?
[15:09] <timp> nik90: it is, but now you use a ToolbarButton inside a ToolbarItems to define the buttons.
[15:10] <timp> nik90: ToolbarButton inherits ActionItem, which inherits Item, which has a visible property
[15:10] <timp> nik90: so you can use visible in the ToolbarButton as you used in the Action before
[15:10] <nik90> timp: ah ok. that's nice
[15:10] <nik90> timp: one more thing
[15:10] <nik90> timp: In the email, you mentioned CHANGED in Page: property ToolbarActions tools TO property Item tools
[15:11] <nik90> timp: However, in the example you use items: ToolbarItems
[15:11] <timp> yes, that means that in theory you can put *any* Item in tools
[15:11] <nik90> timp: I am guessing you meant that the property has been changed to ToolbarItems
[15:11] <nik90> timp: oh ok
[15:11] <timp> tools: Rectangle { anchors.fill: parent; color: "red" }, you'll have only a red rectangle in the toolbar
[15:12] <timp> nik90: no, it can be anything, including the deprecated ToolbarActions, so apps that are using ToolbarActions will not break (for now)
[15:12] <nik90> timp: ok. Nice finally it will be much easier to also write autopilot tests for these.
[15:12] <nik90> thnx for the update
[15:12] <timp> I'm glad to help :)
[15:14] <timp> nik90: also have a look at the API docs for ToolbarItem and ToolbarButton in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-doc package (you need version bzr550)
[15:14] <nik90> timp: ok. I just got the update to the latest package
[15:36] <marcoceppi> So, I'm reading http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/python-packaging.html and I know my app does not work with python3 yet, what should my debian/rules file look like?
[15:41] <gusch> timp: please merge with trunk from gallery
[15:41] <gusch> timp: there is a merge conflict
[15:44] <timp> gusch: ok
[15:47] <timp> gusch: done
[15:47] <timp> pushed
[15:48] <gusch> timp: thx - now let's wait for jenkins
[16:54] <nik90> timp: I am unable to find an example of a back toolbar button in the docs
[16:55] <nik90> timp: the closest I could find was http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781002/
[16:55] <nik90> timp: however even that creates a custom back button.
[16:57] <om26er> boiko, is there a way I could make the telephony app think we are on a network ? so could get certain panels to show up ? like on clicking the 'dial' icon i would like to see the onCallPanel to get some data out of autopilot vis
[16:57] <boiko> om26er: other than running the ofono-phonesim?
[16:58] <boiko> om26er: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1bntPn5Jj7TI5KTMZmFSSbOmKydoRrRqz15eQ8sRvBJ4/edit#heading=h.4eqfacsvxava
[16:59] <om26er> boiko, yeah, I think that should work
[17:04] <nik90> timp: Another thing is that I am unable to hide the toolbar using code. This is the code that I have for the toolbar http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781023/
[17:05] <nik90> timp: However when you press the "Add City" ToolbarButton, onTriggered() it does not hide the toolbar
[17:05] <nik90> timp: Is this a bug or am I doing to completely wrong?
[17:05] <om26er> boiko, would that work on the desktop as well ?
[17:06] <boiko> om26er: yes, the ofono-phonesim is what salem_ and I were using to develop phone-app when the backend was not yet ready
[17:08] <om26er> boiko, i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781031/
[17:09] <boiko> om26er: did you run the ofono-phonesim with the args as described in the doc?
[17:09] <boiko> om26er: do you have ofono running there?
[17:11] <om26er> boiko, yes, ofono-phonesim is running
[17:11] <boiko> om26er: and ofono iself? do you see it in the system dbus?
[17:38] <gusch> timp: to fix your gallery branch: https://pastebin.canonical.com/93110/
[18:42] <timp> nik90: it is a bug. can you report it on the ubuntu-ui-toolkit? thanks
[18:44] <timp> gusch: oops. I pushed an update.
[18:44] <timp> gusch: thanks
[18:45]  * timp eod.
[18:45] <gusch> timp: ok
[18:51] <nik90> timp: sure
[20:36] <AskUbuntu> Qt Creator's pop up gets frozen when click on Develop menu or Start Developing link | http://askubuntu.com/q/310302
[20:58] <dmiller309> Question: Is there a way to emit a PropertiesChanged signal using Q_PROPERTIES? I'm trying to implement this: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#standard-interfaces-properties, as per http://www.mentby.com/Group/dbus/propertieschanged-signal-take-2.html.
[20:59] <dmiller309> I know that I could add a Q_SIGNAL to my Q_PROPERTY declaration, but I have multiple properties and I only want my client to have to subscribe to one signal.
[21:02] <dmiller309> I also know how that I could add a Q_SCRIPTABLE tag to a function called "propertiesChanged(QString interface_name, QMap<QString,QVariant> changed_properties, QList<QString> invalidated_properties)", but that's not ideal because then the method wouldn't be registered under the org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties interface.
[21:03] <dmiller309> Is this the correct place to ask a question like this? Is anyone here?
[22:14] <AskUbuntu> hi i would like to devellop my onw network based on the unbuntu linux distribution | http://askubuntu.com/q/310331
[22:19] <dmiller309> You have some spelling issues in your title.
[23:18] <dmiller309> Is there a way to emit a PropertiesChanged signal with DBus?
[23:30] <TwitchTEK> Howdy All!
[23:31] <TwitchTEK> Longtime Windows Network Admin, short term (noob) to Linux with a question regarding the existance of an app that does what I want and if not, how do i make it.  Anybody interested?
[23:32] <TwitchTEK> Anybody even here?
[23:32] <fugue88> TwitchTEK: Welcome to the channel.  Just ask your question, don't ask to ask.  :)
[23:34] <TwitchTEK> Thanks fugue, dont want to be impolite...


[08:25] <smspillaz> bryceh: ping
[08:25] <smspillaz> bryceh: do you know if some broken x server just got pushed ?
[08:26] <bryceh> smspillaz, xserver hasn't been upgraded, but I did push some new driver bits
[08:26] <smspillaz> bryceh: hrm, let me give you a backtrace of what's going on
[08:26] <bryceh> (all booted and worked fine on the system I was using for testing)
[08:26] <bryceh> brb
[08:27] <smspillaz> sure
[08:29] <smspillaz> bryceh: I'll try repairing things first
[08:30] <bryceh> smspillaz, ok
[08:30] <smspillaz> (sorry to ping you on the weekend :/)
[08:35] <smspillaz> uh-huh
[08:35] <smspillaz> and now it's gone
[08:35] <smspillaz> after a few reboots
[08:35] <smspillaz> bryceh: it was something about input devices though in the bt
[08:36] <smspillaz> bryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/559815/fwiw
[08:36] <smspillaz> bryceh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/559815/ fwiw
[08:38] <smspillaz> aaand now its back
[08:40] <bryceh> mm, yeah crash in -evdev
[08:40] <smspillaz> seems to happen on normal startup but if I drop to recovery mode, resume normal boot and then start X manually there seems to be no crash
[08:40] <bryceh> that's one of the aforementioned drivers I updated
[08:40] <smspillaz> I figured :)
[08:40] <smspillaz> let me know how I can help further
[08:40] <bryceh> smspillaz, can you try downgrading to the previous xserver-xorg-video-evdev and see if it goes away?
[08:40] <bryceh> er
[08:40] <smspillaz> bryceh: sure. I'm not brilliant with by apt-foo, so how would I do that ?
[08:40] <bryceh> xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[08:41] <smspillaz> bryceh: sure. what's the command to downgrade things with apt ?
[08:41] <bryceh> smspillaz, easiest way is to look in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ and see if you still have the previous .deb
[08:41] <bryceh> if so, then just dpkg -i <file.deb>
[08:42] <bryceh> or, apt-get install <pkg>=<version>
[08:42] <smspillaz> sure
[08:43] <smspillaz> 3a2.6.0-1ubuntu1?
[08:45] <smspillaz> wooo kernel panic!
[08:45] <smspillaz> ubuntu releases show just the accuracy of murphy's law it seems
[08:46] <smspillaz> bryceh: hrm, even after installing that it seems I still have the crash
[08:53] <smspillaz> bryceh: my only guess is that there might have been an ABI break which is not compatible with the nvidia driver - is there any way to revert to nouveau for now ?
[08:54] <smspillaz> will sudo apt-get install xorg-xserver-video-nouveau do it ?
[08:54] <bryceh> ooohhhhh
[08:55] <smspillaz> oh?
[08:55] <bryceh> yeah new 2.6.38 kernel will totally break -nvidia I'm sure
[08:55]  * smspillaz yells at the drinking team
[08:55] <bryceh> if you're using -nvidia, now's the time to uninstall it and begin your nouveau experience
[08:55] <smspillaz> bryceh: but that doesn't really explain why the crash is in evdev
[08:55] <smspillaz> bryceh: heh, although I kinda need direct rendering
[08:56] <smspillaz> I actually use nouveau on my arch box though, it is very nice
[08:56] <bryceh> if you need -nvidia you'll have to stick with a .37 kernel for the interim
[08:57] <smspillaz> bryceh: is enabling nouveau's dri a pain right now ?
[08:57] <smspillaz> reverting the kernel is going to open a can of worms for sure
[08:57] <bryceh> there's an optional package to install the nouveau 3d bits
[08:57] <smspillaz> bryceh: also, as an aside, I don't see NVRM complaining and I see the nvidia logo on startup so I assume something is working
[08:58] <smspillaz> (nvidia logo because I had it installed from nvidia.com before, but then I purged it and installed it from the repos)
[08:58] <smspillaz> (so I still have Option "NoLogo" "0" in my xorg.conf :)
[08:59] <bryceh> well, if you downgraded -evdev (and restarted X) and it still behaves the same, then nvidia/kernel incompatibility is my next guess
[08:59] <smspillaz> bryceh: yeah
[08:59] <smspillaz> bryceh: what's the name of this package to enable nouveau dri ?
[08:59] <bryceh> nvidia is pretty invasive so even though -evdev is an input driver it wouldn't surprise me
[08:59] <bryceh> heh, was afraid you were going to ask that
[08:59] <smspillaz> dude, I know how these things work :)
[09:00] <smspillaz> just can't be bothered googling it (jcbbgi [tm])
[09:03] <bryceh> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[09:05] <bryceh> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental-dbg
[09:05] <smspillaz> cheers
[09:14] <smspillaz> ok, I'm still getting this X crash
[09:14] <smspillaz> time to hose this system and try again methinks
[09:16] <smspillaz> the nice thing is havign /home on a separate partition :)
[09:39] <smspillaz> yay it works, sort of
[09:39] <smspillaz> compiz works, unity doesn;t
[09:39] <smspillaz> but that doesn't really matter
[18:01] <Guest36276> hello
[18:02] <Guest36276> could someone have a tip, I changed my  root partition size with live cd , not boot error, grub works, but when booting linux, it cannot boot, any good solutions_
[18:07] <xapantu> Guest36276, maybe you should go to #ubuntu, I think you would get more answers.
[18:08] <Guest36276> ok
[18:08] <Guest36276> i found solution, i think. I also removed swap partition, and that was the problem
[20:50] <xclaesse> damned, I have lots of drawing artifacts in xchat-gnome since latest updates in natty
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> xclaesse, intel?
[20:51] <xclaesse> yes
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> bug 707236
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "corruption in xchat-gnome window" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707236
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> i get it too ;)
[20:51] <xclaesse> chrisccoulson, cool thx
[20:52] <xclaesse> have to switch between desktops to get the view redrawn correctly :p
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's a bit of a pain
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> i might try downgrading the driver