[00:33] <ardakc> hi
[00:34] <sarnold> wb
[00:34] <ardakc> what is wb?
[00:35] <K4rMa> welcome back
[00:36] <ardakc> which ubuntu version is most stable?
[00:37] <oerheks> 20.04 LTS or latest 22.04 LTS.
[00:37] <leftyfb>  ardakc we tend to recommend sticking with the latest LTS
[00:39] <ardakc> i tried to install to my friend ubuntu 22.04 lts but it is not so stable that it was not even installed, it even gave an error in the installation. ubi-partman crashed
[00:39] <tortal> Stabile as in - run your servers in LTS
[00:40] <tortal> not stable as in some bug hasn't been fixed but is now in the latest version
[00:40] <leftyfb> ardakc: try installing again with a freshly downloaded iso and usb, if you run into issues, come here and someone might be able to help you
[00:41] <tortal> ardakc: the installations issue seem to be something else than the stability of LTS
[00:42] <tortal> and something that could've been fixed in a later version non-LTS
[00:42] <oerheks> without error details, not much help possible,
[00:42] <leftyfb> tortal: there is no later non-lts version than 22.04
[00:42] <tortal> not that i think that either of those are the problems
[00:42] <tortal> i meant non-LTS
[00:42] <ardakc> leftyfb: there is 20.04.4 lts
[00:42] <leftyfb> either way, nothing is to be done at this point until an installation is attempted
[00:42] <leftyfb> ardakc: there isn't
[00:42] <tortal> oh
[00:43] <ardakc> https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[00:43] <tortal> sorry, misread
[00:43] <leftyfb> well, there is
[00:43] <leftyfb> but that isn't later than 22.04
[00:44] <RICKEDROLLED> ardakc, There's a bug in the newest ubuntu. The workaround is messing with the kernel-img.conf or something like that
[00:44] <leftyfb> RICKEDROLLED: please don't
[00:44] <leftyfb> ardakc: ignore that
[00:44] <oerheks> !fud
[00:45] <oerheks> without the machine of your friend, how can we help?
[00:45] <ardakc> I wonder if Ventoy created this problem. I don't use ventoy. I write my isos with the gnome disk utility, but since it ubuntu gave an error while installing my nvidia driver while installing, I set the drivers to not install the next time when installing.
[00:46] <oerheks> ' I wonder if Ventoy created this problem. I don't use ventoy' ... good
[00:46] <RICKEDROLLED> Okay my bad, I didn't think I was spreading fud. I did mention there's a workaround and such
[00:46] <oerheks> !usb
[00:47] <ardakc> ubottu: dont you recommend gnome disk utility?
[00:48] <tomreyn> ardakc: ubottu is a channel bot, it won't recommend gnome disk utility, unless someone asks it to
[00:48] <RICKEDROLLED> Personally when I started out awhile back, I used gparted
[00:49] <ardakc> hmmm
[00:49] <RICKEDROLLED> There similar right?
[00:49] <leftyfb> ardakc: what OS are you writing the iso with?
[00:49] <ardakc> ubuntu
[00:49] <RICKEDROLLED> Oh yeah they are lol
[00:49] <leftyfb> ardakc: then use the usb disk creator
[00:49] <leftyfb> sorry "starup disk creator"
[00:50] <ardakc> leftyfb: why not gnome disk utility?
[00:50] <leftyfb> ardakc: because I know the one I recommended works without issue every time
[00:51] <RICKEDROLLED> Oh you're making a live usb. You can dd to create it via command prompt
[00:51] <ardakc> but when I write linux mint iso with gnome disk utility the same way, there are no such problems, why do they happen when installing ubuntu?
[00:51] <oerheks> ardakc, stop trolling the channel, thanks.
[00:51] <leftyfb> ardakc: I can't answer that. But it's the recommended tool. That's why it's built in
[00:52] <ardakc> ok
[00:52] <leftyfb> ardakc: good luck
[00:58] <lexandrop> Hi everyone. At this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases , in "Future" releases, for "Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS" it says, that "End of Standard Support" is on April 2032. Is that a typo, or... Shouldn't it say "April 2027" instead?
[00:59] <ardakc> Doesn't look like a typo
[00:59] <sarnold> hah yeah that looks like a mistake
[00:59] <oerheks> 5 year support + 5 years ESM
[00:59] <oerheks> but so you want a 10 y old ubuntu ..
[01:01] <lexandrop> If you check "Current" releases at the top of the page, for 22.04 it says: "End of Standard Support" - April 2027, "End of Life" - April 2032. Basically what @oerheks is saying, yes. But in "Future" it looks like a mistake, because 20.04 has 5 years and 22.04 has 10 years then.
[01:01] <oerheks> 20.04 gives ESM too ..
[01:03] <lexandrop> Yes, I understand. The only question is why did they mention ESM for 22.04 and non-ESM for other versions in "Future" section.
[01:03] <sarnold> mistakes happen :)
[01:04] <lexandrop> haha, I see the change now @sarnold . thanks :)
[01:04] <sarnold> thanks for pointing it out :)
[02:00] <alloy> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a USB.  Strange things are happening.  Some sticks work while others don't.  One install works on laptop B but not laptop A...
[02:01] <alloy> Laptop A does boot live USBs fine (many flavours tested) I also have an older install on a SD card that boots through the USB port on it, but my new install on a new USB won't boot, but as I said before it does boot on laptop B
[02:01] <oerheks> sounds like hw issues, like old bios and uefi
[02:01] <oerheks> !uefi
[02:02] <alloy> oerheks, yep sounds like that
[02:02] <oerheks> else state the hw specs, maybe there are known issues
[02:02] <oerheks> or need a bios update
[02:02] <alloy> laptop A is a HP Dragonfly Elite, laptop B is a ThinkPad T480s
[02:02] <alloy> bios is updated :)
[02:05] <sarnold> alloy: I think some HPs had problems with usb 3 devices, eg https://superuser.com/a/1318221/69238
[02:05] <alloy> that's interesting... will try an install on an older usb
[02:06] <sarnold> alloy: depending upon the system .. if it had or has windows on it, maybe windows was doing the "fast reboot" or whatever it, where shutting the system down isn't actually shutting down, it's just suspending
[02:07] <sarnold> alloy: and I think I'm remembering complaints that some HPs didn't have USB in the boot order by default, that'd be another thing to fiddle with in the BIOS settings
[02:07] <alloy> no it has Linux on it only, I just need a portable Linux to do things like dd the nvme drive for redundancy etc
[02:08] <alloy> sarnold, that's the thing, other USBs boot fine, but as per your initial suggestion, they're all USB2 iirc :)
[02:08]  * alloy shakes fist at HP
[02:09]  * sarnold shakes fist at HP too
[02:09] <sarnold> good news on other usbs booting fine though, that's promising
[02:09] <alloy> yeah it's both promising and confounding ;)
[02:09] <alloy> I think the USB3 tip will be golden, will install now...
[02:10] <sarnold> oh heh you even said "some sticks work while others don't", I forgot that part by the end :)
[02:10] <alloy> precisely, and none of those sticks are usb3 ;D
[02:12]  * alloy searches for the crappiest, oldest usb he can find...
[02:12] <sarnold> lol
[02:15] <alloy> lol found a couple of 4gb, a 2gb and even a 1gb, think they might all be useless :D
[03:37]  * alloy continues to wait what seems like forever for usb2 install...
[03:38] <oerheks> start in live mode, wipe disk, select gt and run the icon on the deskop
[03:38] <alloy> seems like if you choose "minimal" the installer installs everything then removes office etc, is that right?
[03:38] <oerheks> gtp*
[03:38] <alloy> gpt even :)
[03:38] <oerheks> it installs a minimum .. saves a few mb
[03:39] <oerheks> not worth the trouble , imho
[03:39] <alloy> I get that... it's the way it seems to do it, I'm watching the logs and it takes ages *removing* libreoffice stuff
[03:52] <Guest49> How can I sign my WIFI driver so SecureBoot doesnt block it
[03:56] <oerheks> mok https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot#How_can_I_do_non-automated_signing_of_drivers.3F
[04:00] <oerheks> i would leave secureboot off, when such non signed situation occured. often a wonky broadcom thingy
[04:14] <Guest49> Secureboot, jsut turn it off?
[04:14] <Guest49> I read secureboot can prevent malware though
[05:49] <Hash> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-sign-things-for-secure-boot
[07:52] <Payam> Hi,
[07:52] <Payam> why did they remove ansible 8 ?
[08:29] <SteveR> hi there, what would be th command line utility and its associated config file used to make ad-hoc or boot time config changes to linux kernel parameters?
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: I think you may be thinking of sysctl for ad-hoc changes?
[08:31] <SteveR> yes
[08:31] <SteveR> is it true?
[08:31] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: I've used sysctl before and it worked. It's job is to "configure kernel parameters at runtime".
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's a quote from the manual page.)
[08:32] <SteveR> what about boot time?
[08:32] <SteveR> which command do we use?
[08:32] <SteveR> is there a associated config file as well for the command?
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: For changing kernel parameters at boot time, you can escape to GRUB by pressing Esc (or Shift) during early boot, then edit a boot entry and change the kernel command line however you want for that boot.
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> SteveR: And the config file for persistent command line changes is /etc/default/grub. There's a line in that file where you can set kernel command line parameters.
[08:33] <SteveR> is it grub.conf file?
[08:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope, just "/etc/default/grub". The grub.cfg file is different and usually shouldn't be manually edited.
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> The /etc/default/grub file on the other hand can be edited.
[08:34] <arraybolt3[m]> You do have to run "sudo update-grub" when you're done editing the file to get your changes to start working.
[08:35] <EriC^> SteveR: grub.cfg is compiled from /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/* when you run update-grub, so any changes to it would be overwritten each time, have to edit the former files so the changes stick
[08:45] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | SteveR
[08:45] <SteveR> nice
[09:53] <luna> how to tell apt in ubuntu to not upgrade a package?
[09:56] <EriC^> luna: apt-mark hold <package>
[09:56] <luna> EriC^: wierd i put an apt-mark on systemd but its still trying to update it
[09:58] <luna> http://pastebin.com/GvYcVwJj
[10:04] <guiverc> as i read the message luna ; that package had already started installing earlier (thus the 8 not fully-installed/upgraded), I'd guess before the apt-mark hold was added to it
[10:04] <luna> guiverc: yeah, is there any way to reset apt so it understands to ignore it?
[10:05] <guiverc> not that I'm aware of... it'll hold the package at the version it was 'already trying' to install if currently run
[10:05] <luna> ouch
[10:06] <luna> is there any way to skip it and let it try to run the rest?
[10:06] <luna> this is a kinda wierd ubuntu install: echo libxfont1 hold | dpkg --set-selections
[10:06] <luna> https://www.micski.dk/2021/12/21/install-ubuntu-base-system-into-freebsds-linux-binary-compatibility/
[10:08] <guiverc> ^ is my opinion luna, others may think or know better than I...
[10:17] <luna> oh well too lazy to fight with that now, atleast Spotify still works on FreeBSD thats what i use the compat layer/jail for
[10:48] <iomari891> greetings, is it possible to do an unattended upgrade to 22.04 from 20.04? The last upgrade I did keep needing input. I would go to do something, come back and find the system waiting for me to answer a question.
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | iomari891
[10:58] <EriC^> iomari891: https://askubuntu.com/questions/250733/can-i-do-a-silent-or-unattended-release-upgrade
[11:00] <iomari891> thank all
[12:34] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <rana_ans> Hi, I have an error with "sudo apt update" on ubuntu 18.04: https://pastebin.com/WNKsHknu
[13:00] <rana_ans> kindly help :D
[13:02] <_WEZ_> !paste
[13:04] <Maik> rana_ans: sipmly disable or remove the PPA's that give the error
[13:04] <Maik> sipmly/simply
[13:05] <BluesKaj> rana_ans, remove the ppa source from your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file, it's probly no longer valid, hence the errors
[13:05] <rana_ans> ahem, ok how do I do that Maik
[13:06] <BluesKaj> hey Maik
[13:08] <rana_ans> I think its because of sublime text not having a release file
[13:10] <ogra> open the software sources GUI tool from your settings, untick the box next to the sublime repo ... then it should just work
[13:14] <rana_ans> ogra: if you are talking about this, I dont see sublime-text there: https://imgur.com/a/E1MKeFQ
[13:14] <rana_ans> ok nvm
[13:14] <rana_ans> found it
[13:19] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[13:19] <clarkk> Or please suggest another place on irc I could ask
[13:21] <Bombo> hi
[13:27] <Bombo> i've got two monitors, one 1280x1024 (4:3) (dvi) and one 1920x1080 (16:9) (hdmi) now i want to have the hdmi right of the dvi, but no panning on the dvi, how do i do that (with xdandr?)
[13:28] <Bombo> i tried this line: xrandr --output "DVI-I-1" --mode 1280x1024 --panning 0x0 --output "HDMI-0" --mode 1920x1080 --panning 0x0 --right-of "DVI-I-1" but it just 'mirrors' the same on both screens, its just bigger on the hdmi
[13:31] <TomyWork> I'm on kubuntu 18.04 and I wanna try out libreoffice 7.3 without messing up my system I see there's a snap for it on the store. can I set that up without any integration into the system, like file associations and such?
[13:32] <jeff47> Do I need cloud-init?  It seems to be throwing errors at me.
[13:33] <TomyWork> depends. what are you doing?
[13:35] <jeff47> It's a server, mainly docker containers, plex.  Minimal GUI, basically for one app.  Headless most of the time.
[13:35] <TomyWork> do you wanna set it up automatically?
[13:35] <TomyWork> does your hoster?
[13:35] <TomyWork> also what are those errors?
[13:36] <TomyWork> about my snap issue: from the manual, I found "snap install --jailmode --unaliased libreoffice" - will that do the trick?
[13:36] <jeff47> It's not a vm.
[13:37] <jeff47> well let leave put that aside for a moment and see if I have fixed a bigger issue.
[13:38] <TomyWork> well then you probably wont need it, unless your hoster uses it to set it up
[13:38] <TomyWork> (doesn't need to be a vm for that)
[13:38] <jeff47> I don't know what you mean by a hoster... the physical machine is sitting next to me.
[13:39] <TomyWork> in that case, you are the hoster :)
[13:39] <jeff47> OK, that's clear then.  :)
[13:39] <TomyWork> what are those errors anyway?
[13:39] <silentfury> setting up 22.04 workstation on a poweredge r640 [because remote hands needs a gui - don't ask] and it goes to no signal whenever I log in. Any ideas?
[13:40] <TomyWork> silentfury, check the journal, maybe it says something about changing modes
[13:40] <jeff47> "schema.py: Invalid cloud-config provided."
[13:41] <TomyWork> jeff47, google that :)
[13:42] <TomyWork> silentfury, also, ssh into it, then do "export DISPLAY=:0" (or whatever display it's on) and see what xrandr thinks about the situation
[13:42] <silentfury> let me blow this away again.. sigh
[13:45] <jeff47> Yeah.  Well got a bigger problem right now anyway.  I was on 20.04 and ran do-release-upgrade and now the system won't boot properly.  "dependency failed for Local File Systems."
[13:45] <TomyWork> then google that instead, good idea :)
[13:46] <jeff47> Yep, working on it....
[14:00] <silentfury> think im just going back to 20.04 - apparently that works
[14:04] <leftyfb> silentfury: remote hands "want" GUI, they don't need it
[14:08] <silentfury> leftyfb: i know.
[14:08] <jeff47> well that's the last time I try do-release-upgrade.  what a mess.
[14:19] <rana_ans> Hi, can I extend sda3 and add the unallocated space into it?
[14:19] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/uGjB8CT
[14:23] <rana_ans> help :c
[14:23] <_WEZ_> rana_ans: depends where the unallocated space is
[14:23] <rana_ans> the unallocated space was not in use by anything and it was labelled sda5 before I deleted it
[14:24] <rana_ans> _WEZ_: I searched and found they should be together and sda3 should be above it, I guess? but I don't know how I could do that
[14:25] <_WEZ_> gparted is the best
[14:25] <rana_ans> yeah, how can I merge the unallocated with sda3?
[14:26] <_WEZ_> expand it
[14:26] <rana_ans> resize?
[14:26] <_WEZ_> expand the partition then resize the FS
[14:28] <rana_ans> _WEZ_: basically my sda1 partition is windows 10
[14:28] <rana_ans> Im using dual-boot
[14:28] <_WEZ_> my condolences
[14:28] <rana_ans> D:
[14:28] <rana_ans> bruh :D
[14:29] <rana_ans> what do you mean why expanding the part and resizing the file system?
[14:30] <rana_ans> I have some 3D modelling softwares that I need to use and they arent on Linux, so windows 10 is the os for those
[14:34] <rana_ans> just help me if I can merge that unallocated part with sda3, please
[14:34] <hggdh> rana_ans: it is not clear from the partition list BUT: *if* the unallocated space follows directly the end of the sda3 partition, then yes. The process is nerve-wrecking, though: you have to delete sda3, reallocate it at the SAME start sector it had, and then set the end of the partition where you want.
[14:34] <rana_ans> @hgg
[14:35] <rana_ans> hggdh: but sda3 is the main part of my linux, I think, if I delete it, it will all get messed up
[14:35] <hggdh> rana_ans: but you have a sda4 (Linux swap) there, and it is not visible is if the beginning sector of sda4 follows straight from the end sector of sda3
[14:36] <rana_ans> yes, the unallocated was sda5 and had no data so I deleted it and wanted to merge with sda3 to increase space for stuff to be upgraded/updated
[14:37] <hggdh> rana_ans: partition numbers do not have to be consecutive, and monotonically increasing
[14:37] <oerheks> there is a swap partition that prevents adding unallocated.
[14:37] <hggdh> but on a raw disk, the only way to increase a partition is by deleting it, and re-creating it AT THE SAME START SECTOR IT HAD
[14:38] <hggdh> it IS dangerous
[14:38] <hggdh> this is where LVM shines
[14:38] <rana_ans> so you are saying if I delete linux swap, it will get merged into unallocated space and then I can merge them with sda3?
[14:39] <rana_ans> is linux swap required? :|
[14:39] <oerheks> yes. now swap is a partition, you can choose for a swapfile too..
[14:39] <oerheks> !swap
[14:40] <rana_ans> can I create a swap partition after the extending sda3
[14:40] <rana_ans> so it can be used by linux
[14:41] <rana_ans> oerheks: should I delete the swap part?
[14:42] <oerheks> that is the only way, to expand sda3 .. do this from a live iso?
[14:42] <rana_ans> sure, I will try it with a live iso
[14:43] <rana_ans> since Im gonna get disconnected from here to do that, lemme know if thats all I need to do
[14:43] <rana_ans> :D
[14:44] <oerheks> make sure when you recreate swap, to edit your Fstab, as UUID changes
[14:46] <tomreyn> rana_ans: and, of course, with any such dangerous operations, make sure you have everything backed up before you start.
[14:46] <rana_ans> ok about the resizing: should I just write the amount required in "new size" ?
[14:46] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/xd2RN4P
[14:46] <jeff47> I can't get my system to come up after do-release-upgrade... if I boot using a liveusb, how can I disable services on the host to see if I can get it to boot again?
[14:47] <rana_ans> tomreyn: yes ofc
[14:47] <rana_ans> thanks for the heads up tho
[14:47] <tomreyn> jeff47: where does it fail during boot now?
[14:48] <rana_ans> oerheks: so just enter the amount required in "New Size"?
[14:48] <rana_ans> https://imgur.com/a/xd2RN4P
[14:49] <jeff47> I am having trouble determining where it fails... the screen stops updating at some point, but it's not always the same spot.
[14:50] <rana_ans> ok bye
[14:50] <tomreyn> jeff47: you should not need to disable services to make the system boot. but you can do sso using systemctl disable <servicename>
[14:51] <jeff47> Won't boot using the recovery mode either.
[14:52] <jeff47> tomreyn: will that work if I've booted from a liveusb even>?
[14:52] <tomreyn> jeff47: if you're mounted the on-disk / installed system's partitions and virtual file systems and chroot mounted into it, yes
[14:53] <tomreyn> jeff47: if you're mounted the on-disk / installed system's partitions and virtual file systems and chrooted into it, yes
[14:53] <jeff47> ah, chroot was the command I couldn't remember.
[14:54] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[14:54] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec   Or please suggest another place on irc I could ask
[14:54] <clarkk> After weeks of struggling with this, I'm pretty desperate
[14:55] <tomreyn> jeff47: note that /dev/sda1 is an example for where your installed systems' / file system is here. also, you will likely need to mount additional file systems on a current system
[14:55] <tomreyn> (such as /boot/efi and maybe also /boot)
[14:58] <sers> hey, good day, is anyone around knowing about firefox/snapd issues?
[14:59] <tomreyn> clarkk: bluetooth issues are so no fun that i don't want to debug them. personally, i bought a headset which doesn't use bluetooth to get around these issues. if you can't get help with it here, there's also the forums and #linux
[15:00] <tomreyn> sers: probably, but you won't find out until you described them.
[15:01] <tomreyn> a good day to you as well, though :)
[15:01] <clarkk> tomreyn, it's so strange - after 2 years of it working fine, it's suddenly become temperamental. I guess an update caused it, but I can't see anything that seems to be related. Were you able to read my post?  Maybe an idea will spring to mind
[15:02] <sers> tomreyn: do you know how long the firefox .deb package installed via apt on "20.04.4 LTS (Focal Fossa)" will be maintained and provided with regular/standard security updates?
[15:02] <tomreyn> clarkk: you only asked this question two hours ago. have some patience.
[15:03] <clarkk> tomreyn, I understand that. I was just asking whether you read my post
[15:04] <sers> tomreyn: any idea? The changelog indicates firefox (102.0+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) focal; urgency=medium.
[15:05] <sers> As I understand, the mitigation to a snap only package was done with ubuntu version 21.10 and 22 jammy
[15:06] <sers> But how about focal
[15:06] <tomreyn> sers: i'd expect that this .deb will be supported until EOL of this release. but it could also transition to the snap at some point, i cannot tell.
[15:07] <tomreyn> clarkk: i had a quick look, noticed it's nothing i can help with, and the time it was posted.
[15:08] <sers> tomreyn: what do you mean, at some point? And you mean, with standard security updates, as in, for the installed apt package? And, is it likely, that there will be some kind of "user notification" in the apt update/upgrade process bringing to a user's attention that the apt package will no longer be supported?
[15:08] <sers> tomreyn: Who exactly could tell?
[15:08] <tomreyn> sers: i'm saying that predictions are difficult, especially when they refer to the future.
[15:09] <tomreyn> the package manager might be able to make a definitive statement on it.
[15:09] <_WEZ_> 14
[15:10] <sers> tomreyn: We are not talking about some kind of blurry prediction about some fantasy-future here, right? It's about the life-cycle of an apt package from a regular repository? Or are you saying, that the guys at canonical haven't made up their minds and eventually abandon snapd altogether again at some point in time in favour of regular apt package installs?
[15:10] <sers> :p
[15:11] <sers> As in, sanity check.
[15:11] <sers> :p
[15:12] <tomreyn> sers: i'm just saying that i do not know whether or not the current .deb packaged firefox browser in 20.04 LTS will turn into a snap at some point. if it will, then there would be an automatic migration, you would not even notice unless you uninstalled snapd and prevented it from getting reinstalled.
[15:14] <sers> tomreyn: Well, I purged snapd, and re-installed, however, there was not such kind of "notice", or perhaps upon re-installing snapd, something fundamentally broke and the upgrade process was somehow halted because of a magical fairy-tale future about snapd. Sorry. ;P
[15:14] <tomreyn> it is not my impression that Canonical has any plans of abandoning snapd. they've recently spent good amounts of developer time into improving it.
[15:14] <sers> -t
[15:15] <sers> Why would anyone in his right mind keep snapd. It's not secure since it relies upon the security audit of Mozilla, and perhaps a few people "involved" from canonical. What's the difference there in just having a regularly maintained apt package via maintainers? heh
[15:15] <sers> I saw so many snapd "issues", to put it mildly, that I want to see snapd only die in a corner. ;P
[15:16] <sers> Anyway, alright, tnx for the information.
[15:17] <sers> It's like running software from Google knowing that the only one auditing is a "team" at Google. It's look saying good-bye to security after a single install. At least, if you don't audit everything yourself.
[15:18] <sers> like*
[15:18] <sers> OK, tomreyn, so long, take care. Bye
[15:26] <jubalh> Is there an IRC channel for ubuntu core?
[15:27] <leftyfb> jubalh: maybe #snappy
[15:27] <jubalh> leftyfb:  I'll try, thanks
[16:27] <Iamthehuman1> Hello. I'm on Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and I am annoyed by the "autoconnect every Bluetooth device that has been paired without asking any questions", because I need to go to the computer to undo the autoconnects and the head developer said that this is not even a design choice and recommended I come here to ask.
[16:28] <Iamthehuman1> I cannot see how something that has been implemented in a way, is not based on design choices. Actually he blamed the protocol, which just don't make any sense
[16:28] <Iamthehuman1> I'm hopping off the train now, but if anyone can help me, I will open my laptop again in 30 minutes or so
[16:32] <descent> just click disconnect on the ones you dont want
[17:11] <silentfury> followed this guide to setting up AD on 20.04 - but password isn't working: https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=16472
[17:12] <Lucie> https://www.twitch.tv/chaots
[17:16] <aniketgm> silentfury: it's say Ubuntu 20.04.1
[17:16] <silentfury> i'm running 20.04.4?
[17:16] <aniketgm> oh ok
[17:17] <silentfury> i tried: id username and it's spitting back things
[17:17] <silentfury> just seems like not taking password
[17:17] <aniketgm> what things ?
[17:18] <silentfury> aniketgm: all the groups the users are assigned to
[17:19] <silentfury> so sssd is working, it's pulling back data from AD
[17:19] <aniketgm> the comments below in the blog suggest some step.
[17:20] <Guest41> hi
[17:20] <Guest41> Whats the current Ubuntu version of Firefox, so I can compare versions?
[17:20] <aniketgm> https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=16472#comment-5294
[17:21] <oerheks> !info firefox
[17:21] <silentfury> aniketgm: yeah but it's not authenticating at the login screen.
[17:22] <oerheks> 102 https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[17:24] <Guest41> I closed the terminal window when snap was mid-update with firefox, now I try to snap refresh and it says all packages are up to date. I think I glitched snap updater.
[17:25] <aniketgm> silentfury: follow this one. https://computingforgeeks.com/join-ubuntu-debian-to-active-directory-ad-domain/
[17:26] <oerheks> so, if firefox is up2date, and works, why do you think there is a glitch?
[17:28] <Guest41> Im on version 99
[17:28] <Guest41> I closed the terminal window when snap was mid-update with firefox
[17:29] <aniketgm> Guest41: you worry too much.
[17:30] <Guest41> I interrupted the download
[17:30] <Guest41> and Im using firefox v99, latest is 102
[17:30] <Guest41> and snap thinks im up to date
[17:30] <oerheks> reinstall the snap?
[17:30] <oerheks> snap remove firefox etc
[17:30] <aniketgm> you can uninstall and reinstall firefox
[17:30] <Guest41> re-install firefox....
[17:30] <Guest41> I'd have to re-set all my settings
[17:30] <Guest41> alright
[17:31] <oerheks> no?
[17:31] <leftyfb> it should still keep your settings
[17:31] <Guest41> then how do I install firefox again
[17:32] <Guest41> snap install firefox
[17:32] <tomreyn> once you removed it, yes
[17:33] <aniketgm> I was going to suggest that first he would need to do a -- "sudo rm -rfv /" and the restart. but eh!! ;)
[17:34] <leftyfb> aniketgm: can we help you with something?
[17:34] <aniketgm> leftyfb: no. why ?
[17:35] <ogra> Guest1698, snaps do *always* silently finish the operation asynchrnous ... so your ctrl-c or closing the terminal did nothing to the install process ... also ... use "snap changes" and "snap change <ID>" to find out about such things without having to remove/reinstall
[17:35] <leftyfb> aniketgm: please keep your dangerous commands to yourself. It's not funny to anyone that understands it and you could cause someone who doesn't a lot of pain
[17:35] <ogra> bah
[17:36] <ogra> missed Guest41 ...
[17:36] <aniketgm> Oh somebody is offended. That was just a joke.
[17:37] <aniketgm> +1 ogra
[17:37] <aniketgm> I didn't knew that too.
[17:37] <oerheks> not somebody, such jokes are not welcome here, aniketgm
[17:38] <ogra> yeah, we have a lot of linux illiterate people coming here ... even as jokes such commands can be harmful if people just copy them
[17:38] <aniketgm> :O
[17:54] <guillermo__> hello
[17:54] <guillermo_> como vas
[17:55] <guillermo_> oki
[17:56] <leftyfb> guillermo_: hello. What can we do for you?
[18:17] <plantroon> hey, in my list of wifi networks, mine is mentioned 2 times and one of them has a "1" suffix. Boht are 2.4 GHz. No other device does this, only ubuntu laptop
[18:19] <leftyfb> plantroon: they're probably profiles saved from connecting previous with different configurations, not broadcasting SSID's
[18:19] <jhutchins> plantroon: How many wifi access points do you have?
[18:19] <tomreyn> plantroon: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[18:19] <plantroon> 1 access point, 20.04.4
[18:20] <leftyfb> plantroon: delete both profiles and reconnect
[18:21] <plantroon> yea then only 1 is there .. but why were there 2 is the big question xD
[18:22] <leftyfb> plantroon: you were seeing the list of profiles along with BSSID's. You had 2 profiles for the same SSID because you connected once with one configuration, then again when the configuration changes so it created a new profile
[18:23] <jhutchins> That can also happen if a connection drops and a new one is established before the old data is cleared.
[18:23] <plantroon> what would be the change? Same laptop, same wifi adapter, same SSID, same password, same bands,...
[18:23] <plantroon> ah maybe .. but it's weird because outside of Ubuntu (I guess Network Manager is responsible for this?) I did not see any such behavior
[18:24] <jhutchins> plantroon: Close your wifi applet.  That will eliminate the problem.
[18:25] <plantroon> wdym by wifi applet? How to do it?
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: What's "outside of ubuntu"?
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: Just close the applet that's showing the two connections.
[18:26] <plantroon> I meant chromebooks, android phones, iphones, windows machines, ....
[18:26] <jhutchins> plantroon: Each of those uses a different network stack.
[18:27] <plantroon> yea and only ubuntu exhibited this behavior where it added the "1" suffix to the "profile"
[18:27] <plantroon> so I was trying to figure out what caused it xD
[18:29] <plantroon> literally got asked "Do I connect to apname or apname 1?" - I'm like what's that xD there's no such SSID
[18:29] <jhutchins> The information display is for the amusement of the user.  It doesn't really bear a direct relationship to what's actually happening.
[18:30] <jhutchins> Kinda like a progress bar.
[18:30] <plantroon> progress bar are often hard to  design and predict, AP name or profile naming is not xD
[18:33] <tomreyn> you can change the profile names if you like. but it does make sense to me to use the AP name when profiles are automatically created.
[18:58] <khadas> helloy
[19:45] <Morad75> how can i download the whole ubuntu wili and documentation on my desktop??
[19:46] <oerheks> ubuntu wili ?
[19:46] <sarnold> probably wiki
[19:46] <Morad75> wiki
[19:47] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[19:47] <oerheks> see pdf
[19:47] <sarnold> oh that's a good idea
[19:47] <oerheks> server only, //
[19:48] <sarnold> the ubuntu wiki is crazy slow and under-resourced -- if you try to mirror it "at full speed" I wouldn't be surprised if you're firewalled off from the site. If you crawl the whole thing, i suggest sleeping a bit between every single request.
[19:50] <sarnold> the ubuntu wiki is crazy slow and under-resourced -- if you try to mirror it "at full speed" I wouldn't be surprised if you're firewalled off from the site. If you crawl the whole thing, i suggest sleeping a bit between every single request.
[19:52] <Morad75> sarnold, ecaxtly thet's what happened with me while downloading with httrack
[19:52] <sarnold> I wish it exposed a simple database dump or something
[19:52] <sarnold> I have to imagine it'd be way easier to replace it if we could do that :)
[19:52] <Morad75> like wikipedia yes
[19:55] <Morad75> that's the bad side with ubuntu it doesn't allow downloading the wiki at all
[19:56] <oerheks> server part is available as pdf
[19:58] <linux_> i ask a question
[19:59] <linux_> what will happen if the internet cables were cut?/
[19:59] <linux_> how can we reach the ubuntu wiki??
[19:59] <oerheks> why do you ask?
[19:59] <linux_> the company must offer the wiki on the interney
[19:59] <oerheks> changing names to confuse us..
[20:00] <oerheks> ' must' ..  but you have access.
[20:00] <linux_> automatic changing name after internet disconnect
[20:00] <oerheks> !register
[20:00] <oerheks> lolz
[20:02] <linux_>  <linux_> i recommend the company to take a mirrored shot on a big hard drive and send it to the moon
[20:16] <oerheks> Why does ubuntu boot so fast? i have no time to prepare coffee anymore
[20:16] <genii> Work faster!
[20:16]  * genii ducks
[20:16] <mybalzitch> oerheks: have you considered loading your kernel from a reel to reel tape?
[20:16] <oerheks> you mean compiling before boot?
[20:19] <mybalzitch> compiling isn't the threat it used to be with modern multicore cpus
[20:22] <sarnold> but *linking* at the end of the build can be brutal
[20:27] <ufoglaev> Hello to everyone!
[20:27] <ufoglaev> Есть русские?
[20:28] <n-iCe> hello
[20:56] <brkcore> hi, does anyone know, why yt-dlp -x --audio-format mp3 <url> downloads .webm instwad of mp3
[20:57] <genii> mp3 is the audio codec
[20:59] <brkcore> whats webm then
[20:59] <genii> webm is a container which is holding your audio in mp3 format and your video in whatever default format that came in
[21:01] <brkcore> i have to convert it now, is there any other way to download from youtube directly with mp3
[21:04] <brkcore> with youtube-dl same command downloads mp3, nut its slower
[21:09] <sarnold> brkcore: it's probably worth a bug report, anyway
[21:10] <clarkk> I'd really appreciate any suggestions on the problem I've had with bluetooth on a 20.04 system for a few weeks. Full details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1419926/ubuntu-20-04-gnome-3-36-8-bluetooth-headset-disconnects-straight-after-connec
[21:10] <brkcore> i doubt. If it was a bug it would have been reported by now and eventually would have been sorted out.
[21:10] <sarnold> oh dang, still fighting that? :(
[21:10] <sarnold> brkcore: you'd be surprised how hard it is to get people to file bug reports
[21:11] <brkcore> sarnold, why i could report daily, just let me know where and how
[21:13] <brkcore> by the way, this is an error message i got after each download -  ERROR: Postprocessing: ffprobe and ffmpeg not found. Please install or provide the path using --ffmpeg-location
[21:13] <sarnold> brkcore: aha!
[21:13] <brkcore> i have ffprobe, installed though
[21:14] <sarnold> brkcore: the manpage says those are necessary to do the -x thing :)
[21:14] <brkcore> 1:))
[21:14] <sarnold> I wonder if the snap can't execute those :)
[21:15] <sarnold> brkcore: if you installed via snap, I suggest using the 'contact graham morrison' on https://snapcraft.io/yt-dlp to report this
[21:16] <brkcore> sarnold, ok and where do I go next, ... "Contact Graham Morrison"?
[21:17] <brkcore> ah ... ok
[21:17] <brkcore> ok ok , thanks
[21:29] <jhutchins> brkcore_: My average time from reporting a bug in RedHat, with solution, is about two years.
[21:29] <jhutchins> brkcore_: RedHat has paid staff.
[21:30] <jhutchins> brkcore_: Average time to publication.
[21:31] <brkcore_> jhutchins, :)))) thanks for letting me know, I was refreshing and checking my emails for an update
[23:17] <tsurugi> buenas
[23:21] <n-iCe> hi
[23:21] <sarnold> hello
[23:35] <jhutchins> Short half-life


[00:10] <ItzSwirlz> trying to figureout the cause of this: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/cd-build-logs/ubuntucinnamon/mantic/daily-live-20230518.log
[00:14] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: doesn't that show a successful build?
[00:15] <vorlon> ah you're just looking at the message in the log; well, the code currently tries both bzr and git
[00:15] <vorlon> because it doesn't have enough information to know which to use
[00:16] <vorlon> also it looks for platform.mantic under ~ubuntucinnamon-dev first, then falls back to ~ubuntu-core-dev (where it actually lives)
[00:17] <vorlon> this code could perhaps be improved to have better knowledge of where the seeds are and not have to try every combination with failures; but better would be to get all the flavors to migrate to git and drop the bzr code
[00:21] <ItzSwirlz> where am i using bzr a tm
[00:22] <ItzSwirlz> -meta uses regular vcs: https://github.com/ubuntucinnamon/ubuntucinnamon-meta/blob/aab8dd7ec216ad683b4cb8e37210597ea196be02/update.cfg#L16
[01:33] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: this is the livecd-rootfs code, it's nothing specific to ubuntucinnamon
[10:33] <slyon> jbicha: FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/2026826
[10:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2026826 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "glib2.0 (2.77.0 ) breaks Netplan build" [Undecided, New]
[10:36] <seb128> slyon, could you report the issue to glib upstream if you think it's a bug there?
[10:37] <seb128> slyon, and thanks for the report/tag. It wouldn't migrate anyway because of autopkgtests regressions but still better to be safe
[10:38] <slyon> seb128: I'm not sure if it's an upstream issue or something the way our glib package is being compiled... I didn't do any deep investigation yet (and don't have time for it right now). I just confirmed that everything works fine with GLib from mantic-release and wanted to escalate to the destkop team for further investigation
[10:39] <seb128> slyon, ack, do you have a specific example for the keyfile line break issue described?
[10:40] <seb128> slyon, also https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/netplan.io/mantic/amd64 ... any idea why the netplan autopkgtests aren't seeing the issue?
[10:40] <slyon> seeing we're moving even ahead of Debian experimental, I thought it's worth bringing it up with Jeremy.
[10:40] <seb128> ack
[10:40] <slyon> seb128: Yes, the broken keyfiles can be seen from netplan's build log. I will copy it to the bug report.
[10:41] <seb128> slyon, the issue is that the pkg-gnome team in Debian decided to keep unstable for bugfixes updates only until the incoming point release
[10:41] <slyon> seb128: the autopkgtests are not using mantic-proposed, but rather mantic-release, I think?
[10:42] <seb128> slyon, the first entry on that page is 0.106.1-2 	glib2.0/2.77.0-0ubuntu1 	2023-07-10 23:13:20 UTC
[10:42] <slyon> Interestingly, it seems to pass on riscv64, though, but fail on any other arch
[10:43] <seb128> slyon, riscv is building with notests
[10:43] <slyon> oh, that explains the riscv situation!
[10:44] <seb128> slyon, so netplan -2 autopkgtests are green with glib 2.77.0, are the runtest not catching the issue or is only -3 failing?
[10:44] <seb128> let me trigger with -3 to see
[10:44] <slyon> Right... I think 0.106.1-2 was still compiled with older glib. while 0.106.1-3 FTBFS with new glib. GLib is a shared library, so I'm not sure this really explains the autopkgtest pass.. :-/
[10:45] <seb128> well -3 fails to build, ignore that :p
[10:45] <slyon> seb128: rigth.
[10:45] <seb128> compiled with shouldn't make a difference though
[10:45] <slyon> it's a build-time failure (dh_auto_test)
[10:45] <seb128> it's loading dynamically glib
[10:45] <slyon> when I try to compile Netplan -2 with new glib, it fails, too.
[10:46] <seb128> ack, I would just expect that if glib changed in a way that break keyfiles then installed tests would also fail somehow
[10:46] <seb128> if that glib version is installed
[10:47] <slyon> Yes, that's strange.. Maybe something else is in that build environment, which messes things up. But OTOH, just downgrading the GLib packages fixes the build
[10:49] <seb128> slyon, ack, we will investigate, thanks for the report
[10:50] <slyon> thank you seb128
[10:50] <slyon> I've updated the bug report with an example keyfile
[10:51] <seb128> slyon, thanks!
[11:12] <ginggs> there was a late (after FF?) glib2.0 update in lunar that also broke some builds
[11:12] <ginggs> e.g. LP: #2019852
[11:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2019852 in nbd (Ubuntu Lunar) "nbd-server hangs after fork" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2019852
[11:38] <seb128> ginggs, right, that was a different issue though (also that's one the reason we are landing the new serie earlier this cycle, avoiding issues just around feature freeze)
[11:39] <ginggs> seb128: oh sure, not the same issue.  but a test rebuild of reverse-build-deps before bumping glib2.0 would be nice
[11:52] <seb128> ginggs, that's something we could organize for doing if you/release team think there is value, I'm unsure we need a test rebuild specific for it so early in the cycle?
[11:53] <seb128> the build issues will get flagged with one of the regular test rebuilds no?
[11:55] <ginggs> seb128: yes, they will
[12:04] <ginggs> the FTBFS report only says the package FTBFS, it doesn't say glib2.0 broke this build
[12:06] <ginggs> the 2nd lunar test rebuild was after the glib2.0 upload, and two failures that I know of (nbd and thrift) appear in that report
[12:07] <ginggs> https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230324-lunar-lunar.html
[15:19] <dbungert> @pilot in
[17:47] <wouter> ginggs: whoa, nbd was stuck for 18 hours?! Can I get the build log somewhere?
[17:49] <wouter> oh, no, nvm -- that's the pre-fix version
[17:49] <wouter> it's expected to do that, you just need the update which you helped me with a while back
[17:50] <ginggs> wouter: exactly, yes
[17:53] <wouter> ginggs: sorry for the noise -- I have a highlight configured on NBD, so I noticed ;)
[17:53] <ginggs> wouter: no worries!
[17:54] <ginggs> wouter: of course an autopkgtest in nbd would have caught that issue early ;)
[17:56] <wouter> ginggs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1036918 ;-)
[17:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1036918 in debvm "debvm: manual mounting of root image" [Wishlist, Open]
[17:58] <ginggs> wouter: for a start, couldn't an autopkgtest just run the same tests that are run at build-time?
[17:59] <wouter> "it's complicated". In theory yes, in practice that would require a wholesale refactoring of the test suite
[17:59] <wouter> it's a good idea, for sure, but not as easy as it seems
[17:59] <wouter> and yes, that refactoring is planned, but still
[19:19] <dbungert> @pilot out
[20:59] <ahasenack> dbungert: ocaml is quite a circular mess, did you conclude anything?
[21:00] <dbungert> ahasenack: yep, making progress.  2 things needed retest and moved on, the next problem is LP: #2027333
[21:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2027333 in ocaml-dune (Debian) "ocaml-dune: Please add ocaml:Provides to d/control" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2027333
[21:01] <dbungert> I sent a patch to Debian on the last part, we'll see if that gets picked up
[21:01] <ahasenack> ok
[21:44] <Unit193> ahasenack: As promised, if it's not merged by the time a new upstream comes along I'll merge it, but I was looking over https://salsa.debian.org/debian/wireguard/-/merge_requests/6/diffs#diff-content-867caf2861d36d708e7ffe26f3783111183154cd again and it'd be more useful I think to echo those hash and "must be equal"/"must be different" lines into STDERR and only give them on error, to make it more
[21:44] <Unit193> obvious.  I care less about the other autopkgtests since they won't run in Debian, but at the same time having the errors in STDERR makes sense there too.
[21:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Merge 6 in debian/wireguard "New DEP8 and build-time tests" [Opened]
[21:45] <ahasenack> lemme switch context
[21:45] <Unit193> I was just trying to find a time when you were online, it's not time sensitive at all. :P
[21:45] <ahasenack> oh, I had totally forgotten about that PR
[21:46] <Unit193> I hadn't!
[21:46] <ahasenack> can you add that as a comment? Then I'll get an email and won't forget to act on it
[21:46] <Unit193> dkg seems very inactive there, otherwise I'd follow up about renaming the source package, dropping the meta, and dropping -modules and -dkms from recommends.
[21:47] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:47] <ahasenack> thx
[21:47] <ahasenack> I'm on +1 maintenance this week, so I will probably act on it next week


[02:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:30] <M_aD> o/
[06:15] <ducasse> good morning
[10:18] <DarkTrick> Is there any chance, that Ubuntu will drop the naming in version (like "focal" or "eoan") and use number as official values instead? How could a newcomer now that disco or cosmic is older than eoan? If users are not too deep into Ubuntu, they would have to look it up all the time...
[10:21] <oerheks> a,b,c,d,e,f ... pretty nifty choice
[11:10] <DarkTrick> oerheks, interesting to know. It's like the math puzzles in 8th grade: find the sorting rule of the following numbers: 2 4 5 7 6 3 1 7
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> the numbers are the years & month DarkTrick
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> easy to remember?
[11:14] <oerheks> !yy.mm
[11:14] <oerheks> cool kids know this
[11:15] <DarkTrick> important is, that it's rising numbers :)
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah evolution goes forward :p
[11:16]  * lotuspsychje prays to irc gods to get back ubottu here
[11:16] <DarkTrick> not in every country
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: your country drops in year count?
[11:17] <DarkTrick> ot: Japanese school grades: 1,2,3,4,5,6, 1,2, 1,2,3  1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3
[11:17] <DarkTrick> after grade 6 you start grade 1 here
[11:17] <DarkTrick> and yes
[11:18] <DarkTrick> after year 31 comes year 1
[11:18] <DarkTrick> Japan messes up that stuff, I'd love to not see it in CS
[11:18] <DarkTrick> / cool kids know this ... ? :D
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> The demon!
[11:52] <oerheks> hi marco
[11:53] <marcoagpinto> Hey
[11:53] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: trolly day again
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> invasion of the network & firewall issues
[14:37] <leftyfb> nah, just completely unrelated questions


[00:21] <robru> bregma, alright! need anything before I go EOW?
[00:21] <robru> or anybody else...
[00:22] <robru> have a good weekend everybody!
[03:04] <imgbot> [04:39] <imgbot> [04:40] <imgbot> [09:22] <ogra_> |HELP
[09:22] <imgbot> I am the firendly image watchbot
[12:23] <Laney> ogra_: srsly, please fix that typo :P
[12:23] <ogra_> already done
[12:23] <Laney> ♥
[12:25] <ogra_> just struck me, hadn't restearted it yet
[16:37] <Laney> |HELP
[16:37] <imgbot> I am the friendly image watchbot
[16:37] <Laney> very helpful
[16:37] <ogra_> heh
[20:34] <imgbot> cough
[20:41] <ogra_> |STOP
[20:41] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[20:44] <infinity> How did that last account-plugins upload make it past the system with an empty changelog?
[20:47] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.11+14.04.20140325-0ubuntu1
[20:47] <ogra_> Bug 1290771
[20:47] <infinity> That seems pretty suboptimal.
[20:49] <ogra_> imgbot: status 0
[20:49] <ogra_> imgbot: help
[20:49] <ogra_> bah
[20:52] <ogra_> imgbot: help
[20:52] <imgbot> I am the friendly image watchbot
[20:52] <ogra_> imgbot: status 0
[20:52] <imgbot> test status
[20:55] <ogra_> imgbot: status 0
[20:55] <imgbot> test status<EMAIL_ADDRESS>PRIVMSG #ubuntu-ci-eng :imgbot: status 0
[20:55] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[20:55] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:00] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:01] <imgbot> test status 267 on mako total:667 pass:664 crashes:0 rate:99.6%
[21:04] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:04] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:05] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:05] <imgbot> Test status for image 267 on mako total:667 pass:664 crashes:0 rate:99.6%
[21:06] <ogra_> imgbot: status 268
[21:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: are you using some django/web api provided or scrapping?
[21:07] <ogra_> sergiusens, wget and html2text :)
[21:08] <sergiusens> that's scrapping :-P
[21:08] <ogra_> ultra scrapping ;)
[21:08] <ogra_> closer to grinding perhaps :)
[21:11] <ogra_> hmm, why did it die
[21:13] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:13] <sergiusens> doesn't like to grind I guess
[21:13] <sergiusens> :-P
[21:13] <ogra_> heh, no, thats fine, it doesnt like to tell me there has been no testing yet
[21:13] <sergiusens> so it needs to grind
[21:14] <ogra_> well, the grinding is an external script
[21:14] <ogra_> imgbot: help
[21:14] <imgbot> I am the friendly image watchbot
[21:14] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:14] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:15] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:15] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:15] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:16] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:17] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:17] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:18] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:18] <imgbot> Test status for image 267 on mako total:667 pass:664 crashes:0 rate:99.6%
[21:18] <ogra_> imgbot: status 268
[21:19] <imgbot> Test status for image Image 268 for mako has not started testing yet
[21:19] <ogra_> imgbot: status 255
[21:19] <imgbot> Test status for image 255 for mako is not done testing yet
[21:19] <ogra_> imgbot: status 268
[21:20] <imgbot> Test status for image 268 for mako has not started testing yet
[21:21] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:21] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:22] <ogra_> imgbot: status 268
[21:22] <imgbot> Image 268 for mako has not started testing yet
[21:22] <ogra_> imgbot: status 255
[21:23] <imgbot> Image 255 for mako is not done with testing yet
[21:23] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267
[21:23] <imgbot> Image 267 on mako total:667 pass:664 crashes:0 rate:99.6%
[21:24] <ogra_> great
[21:27] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:27] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:27] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267 flo
[21:27] <imgbot> Image 267 flo for mako has not started testing yet
[21:27] <ogra_> lol
[21:28] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:28] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:30] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267 flo
[21:30] <imgbot> Image 267 on flo total:667 pass:663 crashes:0 rate:99.0%
[21:30] <ogra_> imgbot: status 267 manta
[21:30] <imgbot> Image 267 on manta total:646 pass:627 crashes:0 rate:94.8%
[21:31] <ogra_> imgbot: status 268 manta
[21:31] <imgbot> Image 268 for manta has not started testing yet
[21:33] <ogra_> imgbot: status
[21:42] <ogra_> imgbot: status 255
[21:43] <imgbot> Image 255 for mako is running tests
[21:58] <ogra_> imgbot: stop
[21:58] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[21:58] <Laney> O_O
[21:59] <Laney> Maybe you should do this in a test channel?
[21:59] <ogra_> yeah, sorry, i'm done


[07:28] <octoquad> darkxst, could you make this bug public? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1473377
[07:29] <darkxst> octoquad, don't you have bug privs on ubuntu-gnome?
[07:29] <octoquad> or is it deleted?
[07:29] <octoquad> How would I check?
[07:29] <darkxst> I will check, your access
[07:30] <octoquad> ta
[07:34] <darkxst> octoquad, wierd you are a member of ubuntu-gnome-bugs and that team is set as bug supervisor for ubuntu-gnome project
[07:35] <darkxst> made that bug public for now
[07:36] <darkxst> octoquad, can you file a launchpad bug for access issues?, you definately have access
[07:37] <darkxst> and certain it worked when I set it up
[07:38] <darkxst> ubuntu-gnome-bugs team that is
[07:39] <darkxst> can you change milestones?
[07:50] <octoquad> yes, I can change milestones
[07:51] <octoquad> bbl, off to work
[07:52] <darkxst> octoquad, ok later ask on #launchpad if bug supervisors should be able to view private bugs (I am pretty certain they should be able to though)
[07:59] <darkxst> octoquad, or maybe I will ask
[08:31] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ricotz, I'm sure you will see on the list, but I now have ubuntu-desktop ;), if you need stuff sponsored
[08:31] <Noskcaj> Well done
[08:32] <Noskcaj> Now how can i get upload rights that easily?
[08:34] <darkxst> Noskcaj, upload rights don
[08:34] <darkxst> 't just come easily
[08:35] <darkxst> but ubuntu-desktop is not via DMB, do the actual process is easier
[08:44] <ricotz> darkxst, congrats!
[08:45] <darkxst> ricotz, thanks
[09:06] <mgedmin> 1st login after a reboot always gives me a blank black screen (15.10 + staging ppa)
[09:07] <mgedmin> I have to ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f7 and then I get the gdm screen again and then I can login just fine
[09:07] <mgedmin> anyone else see this?
[09:08] <darkxst> mgedmin, no, never and I have laptop, desktop and a bunch of VM's running
[09:08] <darkxst> set debug=true in /etc/gdm/custom.conf and get logs
[10:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Easily being people actually respond with information
[10:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, for desktop team, you just need 3 endorsements from existing members
[10:08] <darkxst> but the fact that those endorsements are essentially a 'vote' make them harder to come by
[10:08] <Noskcaj> I really wish other packagesets were like that
[10:11] <darkxst> Noskcaj, don't worry about it too much, I got rejected from MOTU, purely that my contributions are too GNOME-ish related
[10:13] <darkxst> fwiw I would support you for ubuntu-gnome packageset. most likely now. in fact I reckon you could get that
[10:13] <darkxst> and desktop-extra should be easy pickings
[10:14] <darkxst> I know attending meetings at 5am in the morning sucks, but that is the best way to do it
[10:15] <darkxst> (for DMB apps)
[10:19] <darkxst> Noskcaj, it too me 3 years? to get into ubuntu-desktop, and I have worked with them a lot and on many of the difficult things. I can imagine there would be concern that you don't have the dev skills to follow up on those pesky crashes that follow some package updates
[10:20] <darkxst> probably MOTU is a better aim for purely packaging
[10:47] <ricotz> darkxst, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728464 -- https://bug728464.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=308756
[10:54] <darkxst> ricotz, I've not hit that myself, but wait, do I see nvidia devs contributing patches to mutter!
[10:57] <ricotz> darkxst, just keep an eye on it since it is pretty annoying and happening since nvidia 340+
[10:58] <darkxst> ricotz, k cc'ed to it
[11:12] <darkxst> I used to get flickering on my old card, but only after VT switches
[11:13] <darkxst> that was a year ago though
[12:09] <darkxst> octoquad, should be sorted now, most spastic UI on the planet though
[12:51] <LinDol> hi all
[13:02] <darkxst> LinDol, hi
[13:03] <LinDol> darkxst, thank you :)
[13:03] <darkxst> how are your translations going?
[13:03] <LinDol> oh.
[13:03] <LinDol> I am still translating :)
[13:04] <darkxst> LinDol, good!
[13:04] <LinDol> I am translating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Installation/Korean page now :)
[13:04] <LinDol> and sorry for late, because i am still learnning english
[13:04] <darkxst> LinDol, you know I can't read that ;)
[13:05] <LinDol> and I worked hard on these days T)T
[13:05] <LinDol> haha
[13:05] <LinDol> That is OK.
[13:05] <LinDol> oh If you are ok.
[13:05] <LinDol> Could i translate ubi-slideshow package on 15.10 again? :)
[13:06] <darkxst> LinDol, not ready yet, but sure later
[13:06] <darkxst> there are plans to completely redo slideshow
[13:08] <LinDol> Thank you :)
[13:09] <LinDol> by the way, when i your video for feedback time, I think you was tired.
[13:09] <LinDol> Are you OK? :)
[13:12] <darkxst> LinDol, I never made a video
[13:12] <darkxst> that could be ali?
[13:12] <LinDol> oh
[13:13] <LinDol> sorry :)
[13:13] <LinDol> I think you are Ali :)
[13:13] <LinDol> Sorry for my missing.
[13:13] <darkxst> LinDol, ali is amjjawad here
[13:15] <LinDol> :)
[13:16] <darkxst> LinDol, am tired though, I should sleep
[13:17] <LinDol> darkxst, have a great night :)
[13:19] <darkxst> LinDol, thanks, all the best with your translating !
[13:20] <LinDol> Thank you :-)
[15:46] <octoquad> darkxst, sorted. Thanks
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> 'gratz darkxst
[18:24] <davmor2> Hello Ubuntu Gnome people.  Are you guys participating in the testing of Ubuntu Gnome for 14.04.3 release?
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> davmor2: We don't test a release once it's released... but we're testing for 15.10
[18:43] <octoquad> davmor2, yes we are.
[18:43] <octoquad> Would you like to help?
[18:43] <davmor2> octoquad: no if I see another iso at this stage I'll cry ;)  I've been asked to chase the isos that had no tests on them
[18:45] <octoquad> davmor2, I see, I did one last night, I see there are new builds available today. lbsolost normally does some testing and I help out wherever I can.
[18:46] <davmor2> octoquad: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/344/builds yeah the real 14.04.3 release is ready for testing now :)
[18:46] <davmor2> awesome thanks octoquad
[18:47] <octoquad> davmor2, I'll start testing now. Thanks for the reminder :)
[18:51] <octoquad> oh davmor2, zsync doesn't seem to work. Is there a known problem at the moment? I also had this last night.
[18:53] <davmor2> octoquad: not that I know to let me ask around
[18:54] <octoquad> ta
[18:54] <octoquad> cdimage.ubuntu.com: Connection timed out
[18:55] <octoquad> could not read control file from URL http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/trusty/daily-live/20150805/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[18:56] <octoquad> ah ok, I can get zsync file with wget but zsync can grab it at all, maybe it's a bug in wily
[19:35] <davmor2> octoquad: looks like one of the cdimage servers is down if you get that one you time out get the other it works :(  we have informed IS so hopefully fixed soonish
[19:44] <Dave07747> darkxst: how did you say that you make the live build modifiable for GNOME?
[19:44] <Dave07747> Or if anyone else knows, I'd appreciate the help
[19:45] <octoquad> davmor2, thanks for confirming. I'll send a quick workaround on our mailing list.
[19:45] <octoquad> Hi Dave07747
[19:45] <Dave07747> Hi octoquad!!
[19:46] <octoquad> Dave07747, I'm not sure if there is anybody active at the moment to answer your question. Hang around, darkxst should be on soon.
[19:46] <Dave07747> Okay, thank you very much octoquad
[22:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Would you mind syncing gnome-photos?
[22:06] <Noskcaj> from exp
[22:18] <darkxst> Noskcaj, done
[22:18] <Noskcaj> ty
[22:18] <darkxst> Dave07747, to modify the installed packages?
[22:19] <Dave07747> Yes
[22:20] <darkxst> there are a few steps
[22:20] <darkxst> first you want to fork our seed
[22:20] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.wily
[22:22] <darkxst> create a new branch with the relevant Task-* keys renamed
[22:23] <darkxst> then take ubuntu-gnome-meta, rename it also and point it at your new seed branch
[22:23] <Dave07747> Ah okay
[22:24] <darkxst> run update in the meta package, which generates the meta packages and upload to a ppa
[22:25] <darkxst> finally you need make live-build use your ppa, there is a EXTRA_PPAS env for that, and make the config point at your new meta package
[22:27] <darkxst> best way to do the latter, would be to modify auto/config
[22:28] <darkxst> it would be similar to the ubuntu-gnome config, but something like
[22:28] <darkxst> add_task install minimal standard
[22:29] <darkxst> add_package your-meta-desktop
[22:30] <Dave07747> Ahhh yes, modify auto/config. I didn't know there were so many steps ahead of that
[22:35] <darkxst> Dave07747, its also possible to directly modify live-build config in config/, but if you do that, never run lb config again or it will wipe your changes!
[22:36] <Dave07747> Ahhh okay, I see. So it would simply be better to do as you described darkxst?
[22:45] <darkxst> that is the right way to do it, and you end up with basically a single text file describing what packages to install on your ISO
[22:46] <darkxst> and you need the meta package if you want people to be able to install from existing installation
[22:47] <Dave07747> Ah I see, perfect
[22:54] <darkxst> Dave07747, and you will almost certainly need to fork ubuntu-gnome-default-settings package
[22:55] <Dave07747> Is that in the link you provided?
[23:17] <darkxst> Dave07747, no, that is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/
[23:23] <Dave07747> Okay thank you


[00:30] <superkalafrag_> Can someone help me with JACK audio setup in Ubuntu? Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory"
[00:35] <superkalafrag> Can someone help me with JACK audio setup in Ubuntu? Message: "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory"
[11:18] <studio-user916> Is anyone able to help with an installation question?
[11:18] <cfhowlett> ask
[13:52] <studio-user581> Hi everyone !
[13:53] <studio-user581> I juste wanted to ask how to restaure my default menu  in ubuntu studio. Some entries have disappeared, how do I get them back ,
[13:53] <studio-user581> ?
[23:48] <studio-user718> buonasera, come faccio per collegare il mio cellulare android al computer con ubuntu studio tramite usb?grazie
[23:49] <krytarik> !it


[01:08] <hans_> iirc there is a button you can press during boot to see... a bootlog, probably dmesg, what button is it?
[01:08] <hans_> (by default there's some pretty boot logo with a spnning thing instead)
[01:11] <tomreyn> hans_: if escape doesn't work (i guess it may no longer work) then you can still modifying the kernel parameters
[01:11] <JackFrost> You can change the boot line and remove 'splash', perhaps also 'quiet' for more verbose.
[01:12] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[01:15] <JackFrost> Heh, shiny.
[11:34] <nikolam> I have 7850 with DVI>VGA adapter on 1080p monitor and , while playing video in Firefox/Youtube and I turn on CRT monitor on Intel graphivs/VGA (i5 4570, intel 4600) in Xfce "Display" settings, then screen gets garbled on 7850/1080p screen
[11:36] <nikolam> Screen on radeon does not get garbled when I turn on second monitor on Intel, If I DON't play a youtube video (pause)
[11:39] <nikolam> Bah it also garbles after pausing and some time is spent. But playing video, then pausing, switch it on right
[12:59] <nsh> has anyone noticed that workspace switching can get very slow (as in multiple seconds after pressing SUPER+F1/F2/etc.) and clicking in the picker sometimes doesn't switch at all?
[12:59] <nsh> or thoughts as to what might be causing such slowness
[13:00] <brainwash> probably compositing
[13:01] <brainwash> xfce settings > window manager tweaks > last tab
[13:02] <nsh> will check, thanks
[13:02] <nsh> certainly more responsive now but the picker still doesn't respond to clicks. trying removing it and adding again
[13:03] <nsh> hmm, that's better now
[13:03] <nsh> ty brainwash
[15:23] <luizsn00> Tenho o adaptador: 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)mas no Xubuntu quando tento ativar o bluetooth ele não mostra nem o adaptador nem os dispositivos para parear. Alguém tem alguma solução para isso?
[15:23] <luizsn00> I have the adapter: 0a12: 0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)but on Xubuntu when I try to turn on bluetooth it shows neither the adapter nor the pairing devices. Does anyone have any solution for this?
[15:24] <luizsn00> When I give the command "hcitool scan" no device is found
[18:53] <deadrom> hi all
[18:53] <diogenes_> hi
[18:54] <deadrom> nvidia GTX7xx and 18.04 - video (i.e. YT) tears tho nvidia-settings is set to vsync. what could I do about that?
[18:55] <diogenes_> deadrom, is composition on?
[18:56] <deadrom> diogenes_: check where?
[18:57] <deadrom> diogenes_: "display composit" in "fine tuning of window manager"? no, isn't.
[18:57] <diogenes_> window manager tweaks
[18:58] <deadrom> yup. was off for reasons unknown to me. let's try...
[19:00] <deadrom> mmmhm better but not good
[19:04] <diogenes_> deadrom, nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }"
[19:08] <mamamac> ;D
[19:08] <deadrom> diogenes_: killed my Xserver
[19:09] <diogenes_> deadrom, hmmm it shouldn't have to.
[19:10] <diogenes_> deadrom, then your best bet is either compton or xubuntu 19.10.
[19:11] <deadrom> I'll wait for LTS
[19:11] <diogenes_> good option too.
[19:21] <braddoro> I managed to break my installation of 18.04 LTS by killing my grub bootloader. Is this the right place to look for help?
[19:22] <diogenes_> !ask | braddoro
[19:24] <braddoro> I'm looking for a way to reinstall grub or setup the bootloader
[19:25] <diogenes_> braddoro, what happens when you boot?
[19:26] <braddoro> i tried running boot-repair but it did not fix it.  Here is the report if that helps http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/38yjc2Ymd6/
[19:27] <braddoro> diogenes_ Originally it booted to the grub_repair prompt.  After trying to fix it now it just does not boot at all.
[19:29] <diogenes_> braddoro, i'd re-install but you could try a live iso of MX Linux which has a boot repair tool.
[19:40] <braddoro> can I reinstall without losing my data?
[19:41] <diogenes_> braddoro, only if you have separate /home partition.
[19:41] <braddoro> I do have a separate partition with my data
[19:42] <diogenes_> then make sure not to format it.
[19:42] <braddoro> :)
[19:43] <braddoro> thanks
[19:43] <diogenes_> np
[20:28] <PataGarage> Hello i am new user of Xubuntu. I am satisfied with OS but my touchscreen isn't working. :(


[06:28] <ar_> can i install ubuntu on samsung galaxy tab s
[06:38] <ar_> exit
[20:48] <AlexiTails99> hello there
[20:49] <AlexiTails99> please, i need help
[20:49] <AlexiTails99> i want to install ubuntu touch on my phone, but the terminal can't found the device
[20:50] <AlexiTails99> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu --bootstrap 2016/11/20 21:42:33 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting 2016/11/20 21:42:34 Device is |AW806| Device AW806 not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[20:50] <AlexiTails99> here it is
[20:50] <AlexiTails99> someone can help me??? please
[20:56] <NotKit> AlexiTails99: what is your device?
[21:02] <A1Gard> hi
[21:03] <A1Gard> Anyone online there?
[21:08] <AlexiTails99> asus zc500tg
[21:08] <AlexiTails99> zenfone go
[21:10] <NotKit> no adaptation for your device
[21:12] <k1l_> AlexiTails99: you need to make a port first. or find someone who makes it.
[21:13] <AlexiTails99> can you help me'
[21:13] <AlexiTails99> *?
[21:15] <k1l_> there is the porting guide linked in the channeltopic. but porting needs some technical knowledge.
[21:16] <AlexiTails99> for example?
[21:17] <AlexiTails99> i don't know the procedure.....
[21:18] <NotKit> being able to compile Android/CyanogenMod from source code and deal with build errors, then knowing how to debug hardware adaptation bits
[21:18] <AlexiTails99> oh, god, it's hard....
[21:19] <AlexiTails99> there are possibility in the future to install with no problem ubuntu?
[21:20] <NotKit> very small actually, only if there is an interested developer with the same phone as you
[21:24] <AlexiTails99> thanks
[21:24] <AlexiTails99> really, for the interest an help me :)
[23:10] <berndhs> hi folks, I'm looking for ubuntu-touch for my Asus TF300T. I read that it is available. Where can I get one?
[23:13] <genii> berndhs: In the "Seemingly Abandoned Ports" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:14] <berndhs> thanks i look there
[23:16] <berndhs> so if I use that, I'm on my own, with potentially heroic results ?
[23:19] <genii> berndhs: Basically, yes, it's considered abandoned so it may or may not work, also the developer is likely not around anymore also to consult
[23:23] <berndhs> all right then, I know what I'm dealing with :)
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> im sorry if this is a dumb question... but are the OTA's device-specific too? that is, does canonical just push a generic 'ubuntu touch OTA' that all ubuntu touch OS's will pull from, or as an 'abandoned port' will that device not get OTA's?


[08:52] <jamespage> My local issue is entirely self inflicted (need to check what apt is going todo before confirming actions - not enough coffee) but noble-release pocket upgrade resulted in removal of quite a bit of Ubuntu desktop - I think it’s some missing amd64 builds for some gnome packages?
[09:24] <wgrant> jamespage: Things are still very much in flux because of the xz-utils mitigation rebuilds. ~8000 sources had amd64 binaries removed from the release pocket and rebuilds are making their way through proposed-migration.
[09:25] <wgrant> It's very much not wise to full-upgrade atm, heh.
[09:25] <wgrant> The last known-good versions of removed binaries are in noble-updates for the moment, if that's helpful.
[09:53] <pitti_> hello everyone, how are you? Long time no see!
[09:53] <pitti_> I'm scratching my head about the current archive state of noble -- is there a summary somewhere what's going on?
[09:53] <pitti_> (1)  cloud images are almost a month old, not quite "daily": https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/server/noble/
[09:54] <pitti_> (2) noble-updates has *older* versions than noble release, even though -updates isn't even supposed to have anything before the release; see e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh but I've seen it on a lot of packages
[09:54] <pitti_> i.e. none of the recent updates are actually visible in apt upgrade, it keeps installing the old version
[09:56] <wgrant> pitti_: This is part of the xz-utils backdoor mitigation. We removed several thousand recent amd64 sources' binaries, revived the known-good versions in noble-updates (because we needed a third pocket :)), and then started a bunch of no-change rebuilds through -proposed. They're still making their way back to the release pocket, so the release pocket is indeed missing a bunch of amd64
[09:56] <wgrant> binaries.
[09:56] <ogra_> pitti_, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/xz-liblzma-security-update-post-2/43801
[09:56] <ogra_> (and moin !!)
[09:57] <pitti_> wgrant: Ah I see, thanks!
[09:57] <pitti_> ogra_: cheers! *hug*
[09:57] <ogra_> 😄
[10:01] <adrien> and all that after t64, which is the reason for the initial delay
[10:01] <adrien> but also the reason xz-utils remained in proposed (and hardly installable)
[10:03] <adrien> pitti_: also, hey, I would maybe have mailed you instead but I have a question specifically for you! have you used (authored?) sbuild->autopkgtest->LXD?
[10:04] <pitti_> adrien: I did write the autopkgtest lxd backend, yes (in a previous lifetime)
[10:05] <pitti_> nothing in sbuild though, but perhaps you mean britney
[10:07] <adrien> pitti_: ah, that's probably the bit that I was missing: I thought the whole thing had been done by a single person
[10:07] <adrien> man sbuild says "[--chroot‐mode=schroot|sudo|autopkgtest|unshare]"
[10:08] <jamespage> wgrant: that was my guess; I've unpicked my laptops mess by using proposed for the time being
[10:08] <jamespage> I shall avoid any further updates for now!
[10:08] <adrien> my goal was to offload builds to another machine that way but it seems it's a *really* uncommon setup
[10:10] <pitti_> adrien: I'm afraid I've never seen that; isn't that more a case of just running sbuild *on* the remote machine?  But it's an interesting idea, as autopkgtest totally can build packages, and supports half a dozen backends (even podman these days); and lxd remote is cool
[10:14] <adrien> I'm not sure and I can't really tell if it was my understanding which was wrong or if the feature in sbuild is not working (it's documented as experimental): I was seeing sbuild trying to use schroot inside ephemeral lxd containers it created which doesn't make sense (they were created without setting up schroot and using them failed on schroot not being set up)
[10:15] <adrien> I probably need to talk to sbuild maintainers about that but I had thought you had used that based on one of your blog posts years ago
[12:42] <bdrung> @pilot in
[17:24] <xypron> The time_t problems seem to persist: "libelf1t64 : Breaks: libelf1 (< 0.190-1.1build3) but 0.190-1 is to be installed" in Launchpad on armhf when trying to build u-boot.
[18:19] <liushuyu> I wonder if there is currently a patch pilot shift?
[18:22] <john-cabaj> vorlon, it seems sbuild is also having trouble pulling the apt deb for noble, same as pbuilder.
[18:39] <ginggs> liushuyu: topic says bdrung, but he must have fallen asleep at the wheel
[18:40] <ginggs> calendar says kanashiro
[18:48] <liushuyu> ginggs: sleeping behind the wheels is illegal in many territories though
[19:22] <vorlon> john-cabaj: yes, "things are in flux due to xz-utils"
[19:23] <john-cabaj> ack, will try back later and get by with a VM for now
[20:41] <kanashiro> sorry, it is me indeed, I will work on it now
[20:41] <kanashiro> @pilot in
[20:43] <kanashiro> liushuyu any specific request?
[20:44] <liushuyu> kanashiro: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/libcdio/+git/libcdio/+merge/463629 this one, for fixing time_t issues for armhf
[20:44] <liushuyu> It's also blocking seeded packages
[21:06] <kanashiro> liushuyu done
[21:07] <liushuyu> kanashiro: Thanks!
[21:09] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: Is the milestone regarding lubuntu-update-notifier in bug 1673258 still important?
[21:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1673258 in lubuntu-update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Remove aptdaemon and drop or port its reverse-dependencies" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673258
[21:41] <kanashiro> doko are you working on gcc-13? I am trying to sponsor some uploads to noble but I cannot build them due to unmet dependencies
[21:41] <kanashiro> https://chat.debianbsb.org/file/3/YLYcMabgq74lDDR7
[22:03] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: that's actually fixed in Noble and has been for a while
[22:03] <arraybolt3> I should mark it as Fixed Released.
[22:04] <arraybolt3> done
[22:04] <arraybolt3> s/Fixed/Fix/
[23:37] <bdrung> Attention! This is your captain speaking. I have got good news and bad news. The good news is we'll be landing immediately. The bad news is we are crash landing.
[23:37] <bdrung> @pilot out