[17:23] <pleia2> prepping newsletter to send off to summary writers
[17:40] <pleia2> ok, sent
[17:40] <pleia2> sparse planet this week, I think everyone is asleeping post-release :)


[00:15] <mof920> Hey, I'm having a bit (a lot) of trouble here >,>
[00:42] <escott> mof920, ok
[03:52] <javatexan> hey guys and gals, is there a way to wait to mount shares automatically after one of the network interfaces "goes live".  It takes between 5-15 minutes for that interface to be happy before I can mount anything.  If I knew bash or python, I guess I could poll the interface until it is happy then mount….grrrrrr
[03:56] <javatexan> is there a "standard way" to do this?
[04:13] <escott> javatexan, "live" is a poorly supported notion unfortunately
[04:13] <escott> javatexan, you could hook into the network event in upstart
[04:13] <escott> but thats no guarantee that there will be routes anywhere
[04:14] <javatexan> gotcha, I will try a couple of things based on that
[04:32] <BronzeTotte> I need help installing my printer which is Samsung CLX-3185.  Ubuntu does not have the right drivers.  I downloaded the following drivers from Samsung's website: PrintSettingUtility, Smartpanel and UnifiedLinuxDriver.  I have been unsucceful in installing these drivers in Ubuntu 12.10.  What should I do?  Anyone able to give me a helping hand?
[04:33] <william43> hello all
[13:11] <mnn> configuring squid help pls.
[15:27] <preil65>  I have a couple older PCs that don't handle Ubuntu 12.10 with Unity too well and I want to use the Hybryd di.stro on them to see if they'll work on my LAN. I have a couple questions regarding the installation. Am I in the right place?on
[17:23] <hotsauce1> hi :)
[17:27] <hotsauce1> how can I see my hardware with ubuntu 12.10?
[17:28] <hotsauce1> something similar to piriform's speccy
[17:28] <hotsauce1> or...Windows device manager (im just looking for the graphics card and driver version )
[17:54] <holstein> hotsauce1: i use lspci or lsusb
[17:54] <holstein> !info lspci
[17:54] <ubot2> 'maverick' is not a valid distribution:
[17:54] <holstein> !lspci
[17:54] <ubot2> Factoid 'lspci' not found
[17:54] <holstein> lol
[17:54] <holstein> hotsauce1: open a terminal and run lspci
[18:00] <hotsauce1> ok holstein
[18:01] <hotsauce1> first though...how do i open a terminal? dash home or system settings won't do it?
[18:01] <holstein> hotsauce1: there is an application called "terminal
[18:01] <holstein> however you launch and find apps.. just find and launch it... or
[18:01] <holstein> !tty | hotsauce1
[18:01] <ubot2> hotsauce1: To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[18:18] <hotsauce1> wow! hahahaha
[18:19] <hotsauce1> got stuck in the terminal and couldn't get out...rebooted...then forgot how to get back into IRC...I am more of a beginner than I thought :P
[18:20] <hotsauce1> is there a way to ensure my IRC program (chatzilla) boots up everytime my PC does?
[18:20] <holstein> !tty
[18:20] <ubot2> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[18:20] <holstein> Alt+F7 will get you back
[18:21] <hotsauce1> sweet
[18:21] <holstein> hotsauce1: i would add whatever you want to the autostart
[18:21] <hotsauce1> trying...just wondering where firefox is stored on ubuntu LTS
[18:22] <holstein> stored?
[18:22] <hotsauce1> anyways...so the command for system specs was?
[18:22] <hotsauce1> startup applications -> add -> browse
[18:22] <hotsauce1> ^^ is best way to ensure applications auto boot upon PC power on?
[18:23] <holstein>  /usr/bin is where they are "stored", but i dont think that what you are looking for
[18:23] <holstein> hotsauce1: i use kupfer
[18:23] <holstein> !kupfer
[18:23] <ubot2> Factoid 'kupfer' not found
[18:23] <holstein> !info kupfer
[18:23] <ubot2> 'maverick' is not a valid distribution:
[18:23] <holstein> our bot needs attention...
[18:23] <hotsauce1> !info !info
[18:23] <holstein> hotsauce1: kupfer and gnome-do are in the repos and quite popular
[18:24] <holstein> hotsauce1: i dont like things "auto booting" on startup
[18:24] <holstein> hotsauce1: the way is to add them to the startup applications list
[18:24] <holstein> hotsauce1: could be called "sessions" in the menu
[18:24] <hotsauce1> so add kupfer to startup, then add chatzilla or whatever to kupfer?
[18:25] <holstein> hotsauce1: you just use kupfer.. you dont need to add it
[18:25] <hotsauce1> repo=repository right?
[18:25] <holstein> hotsauce1: lets relax and take a step back,.. one question at a time
[18:25] <hotsauce1> :)
[18:25] <holstein> hotsauce1: a repo is a repository.. meaning its easily available.. you just search *any* package manager and install in
[18:26] <holstein> sudo apt-get install kupfer.. or search synaptic or the software center
[18:27] <holstein> hotsauce1: if you want to auto start an application (not auto boot) the name of the program you are looking for is "Startup Applications"
[18:27] <holstein> you launch "startup applications" and add what you like there
[18:27] <holstein> hotsauce1: i test the launch commands in the terminal..
[18:28] <holstein> hotsauce1: i suggested gnome-do or kupfer because i was assuming you might just be having a hard time finding applications
[18:28] <hotsauce1> i am going to check out kupfer, it sounds like it could be extremely useful to become familiar with.
[18:28] <hotsauce1> so my question is how do i find "chatzilla" in the startup applications "add" function? you said chatzilla isnt really stored anywhere...I guess I need a command that starts running firefox add-ons?
[18:29] <holstein> hotsauce1: i would just add chatzilla, if that is an app..i thought it was a plugin for firefox?
[18:29] <hotsauce1> !info package manager
[18:29] <ubot2> 'manager' is not a valid distribution:
[18:30] <hotsauce1> it is a plugin for firefox
[18:30] <holstein> hotsauce1: i said, applications are stored in /use/bin, i didnt say applicaions are not stored anywhere.. i said that is likely not what you are looking for
[18:30] <holstein> hotsauce1: then, you would look at firefox.. and maybe set it up in a tab.. or as the home page
[18:31] <holstein> hotsauce1: i think http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/how-to-install-ubuntus-new-web-apps-feature is also an option, though i have not tested it
[18:32] <holstein> hotsauce1: its a matter of potentially adding a 'webapp'. since chatzilla is not a local application, its a plugin to firefox
[18:33] <hotsauce1> i see
[18:33] <hotsauce1> "webapp" is pointing me in the right direction
[18:33] <hotsauce1> thanks for the vocab :)
[18:33] <holstein> hotsauce1: it would be the equvilent of saying 'i want the application ebay to automatically startup when i bootup'... the answer is, ebay is not an application, but you can make a webapp, or a shortcut
[18:33] <holstein> sometimes its a matter of knowing the terms to search for
[18:35] <hotsauce1> what is the command for system specs in the terminal? I lost it since I had 2 reboot
[18:36] <holstein> hotsauce1: lspci is what i use
[18:38] <holstein> hotsauce1: you can try installing hardinfo
[18:39] <hotsauce1> this might not mean anything...but "What is lspci?"
[18:39] <holstein> hotsauce1: its a list hardware command
[18:39] <holstein> lsusb for usb
[18:40] <holstein> try that GUI i listed
[18:40] <geirha> it lists all components connected to the pci bus
[18:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get install hardinfo
[18:42] <hotsauce1> is there a way to minimize a terminal (shrink the window?)
[18:43] <geirha> the (-) in the top left corner
[18:45] <hotsauce1> i see nothing
[18:45] <hotsauce1> top left corner is black...everything is black in my terminal (ctrl alt f1)...and no mouse cursor
[18:45] <hotsauce1> is terminal the right word for...command line?
[18:46] <hotsauce1> command line "window" = terminal??
[18:48] <geirha> oh, you're in a virtual console?
[18:48] <geirha> ctrl+alt+f7 should get you back to X
[18:49] <hotsauce1> ah so no way to minimize a virtual console and move it around in the same way I move around firefox tabs?
[18:51] <hotsauce1> btw ("Your search query "kupfer" didn't return any results. Please change some terms and refer to HelpOnSearching for more information." from ubuntu-wiki) kind of made me laugh :P
[18:52] <holstein> hotsauce1: are you asking for someone here to change something?
[18:53] <holstein> hotsauce1: i would search for kupfer in the package manager of your choice, or just search google to learn more about it and see if you'd like to use it
[18:53] <holstein> hotsauce1: sudo apt-get install kupfer
[18:53] <hotsauce1> ahh i see
[18:53] <hotsauce1> is "sudo apt-get update" relevent after my fresh install?
[18:53] <holstein> hotsauce1: you can tap the super key and type "terminal"
[18:54] <holstein> hotsauce1: then, you'll have a resizable terminal window
[18:55] <hotsauce1> what is the super key? i am on a dell laptop...Im not sure what you mean
[18:56] <geirha> or hit Ctrl+Alt+T  unless you've bound that to some other action
[18:56] <geirha> the key that typically has a windows logo on it
[18:56] <geirha> between ctrl and alt
[18:56] <holstein> hotsauce1: the windows key.. it brings up the main menu.. the dash?
[18:56] <hotsauce1> neither work to resize my virtual console
[18:56] <holstein> hotsauce1: correct
[18:56] <holstein> hotsauce1: that will not do anything to the vitrual console
[18:57] <holstein> hotsauce1: this will allow you to open "terminal".. a terminal applicatoin that you can resize
[18:57] <hotsauce1> o cool
[18:57] <hotsauce1> ctrl alt t :)
[19:27] <hotsauce1> how can i find out how much RAM my system has? I am in ubuntu 12.04
[19:28] <holstein> hotsauce1: top.. free -m ...the bios.. that gui system tool i linked earlier.. sudo apt-get hardinfo
[19:28] <hotsauce1> ill get hardinfo, thanks :)


[01:50] <bkerensa> jbicha: so I guess in Q were going to be moving help.u.c to the sumo platform
[01:50] <jbicha> bkerensa: you mean https://help.ubuntu.com/community right? I like the rest of h.u.c
[01:52] <bkerensa> jbicha: My understanding from mhall119 is that the whole space would be preferable but I will check on that.... I have a blueprint open for discussion and planning its a very large scale project either way due to testing and also migrating content
[01:52] <bkerensa> ideally it might be smarter to just do the community space and then transition the rest?
[01:52] <jbicha> you seriously aren't talking about killing the Ubuntu Desktop Guide and Server Guide, are you?
[01:54] <mhall119> jbicha: the idea is that we would take over all of help.u.c, migrating all the current content to the new system
[01:55] <mhall119> so nothing will be killed
[01:55] <mhall119> it'll just be on a new system that allows for translations and approvals
[01:55] <jbicha> ok, but what about an offline copy of the Desktop & Server Guides?
[01:55] <mhall119> how do you get an offline copy now?
[01:56] <jbicha> oh, I meant an online copy
[01:57] <mhall119> where's the online copy now, in moin?
[01:57] <jbicha> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/
[01:57] <mhall119> that's...interesting
[01:58] <jbicha> see also https://help.ubuntu.com/
[01:58] <mhall119> when did help.u.c get a new theme?
[01:58] <mhall119> is that still moin?
[01:58] <bkerensa> mhall119: just today or very recently
[01:58] <jbicha> today :)
[01:58] <bkerensa> :D
[01:58] <mhall119> oh, ok, thought I was totally confused
[01:58] <bkerensa> I saw it in preferences or something but it just rolled out live
[01:58] <mhall119> so yeah, anything in moin will be in SUMO,
[01:58] <bkerensa> :D
[01:58] <jbicha> no, it's not moin, the Desktop Guide is generated html from mallard, the Server Guide is html generated from docbook
[01:59] <mhall119> jbicha: using apache aliases or something?
[01:59] <bkerensa> mhall119: we wanted that in Sumo too right?
[01:59] <mhall119> bkerensa: I would think so, yes
[01:59] <bkerensa> to simplify things
[01:59] <bkerensa> make the experience more consistent and easier to maintain over time
[02:00] <jbicha> I think that's a bad idea, I want an online copy somewhere of the Desktop & Server Guides
[02:00] <mhall119> jbicha: why would it be bad to have an online copy on SUMO?
[02:00] <jbicha> the Desktop Guide is 80ish% maintained by GNOME anyway
[02:01] <mhall119> where?
[02:01] <jbicha> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/
[02:01] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs
[02:02] <mhall119> is that all static html, or do they have a webapp behind it?
[02:02] <jbicha> I don't fully understand SUMO but I think it would be a great replacement for help.ubuntu.com/community, but I want to keep the current look of the Desktop & Server Guides
[02:02] <jbicha> it's static
[02:03] <mhall119> jbicha: ok, we were planning on replacing moin, so any part of help.u.c that isn't moin we can keep the way it is
[02:04] <jbicha> I'm happy with that! :)
[02:05] <bkerensa> jbicha: Can I PM you before I head off to dinner?
[02:06] <jbicha> bkerensa: how about after dinner? I'm busy this hour
[02:06] <bkerensa> jbicha: sounds good