[00:01] <guiverc_t> :) thanks paul; (sorry wxl for confusion);  would like to see them sometime (realize its still very early regards responses)
[02:15] <guiverc_t> update_postscript: i'm not interested not in quiz answers; more the "appreciate .. tell them" responses...
[02:22] <guiverc> (i can't read... "suitable responses will be shared..") - sorry
[02:32] <guiverc> forgive my ignorance; but what is HWE stack?  (hardware ??)
[03:46] <pleia2> hardware enablement stack
[03:46] <pleia2> makes new hardware work on old releases
[03:46] <pleia2> so you have HWE updates for 12.04, etc
[03:46] <pleia2> err
[03:46] <pleia2> yeah :)
[03:47] <pleia2> the stack includes a kernel and whatever supporting stuff it needs (usually drivers)
[03:59] <guiverc_t> thanks pleia2 :)
[11:02] <PaulW2U> unless anything gets released before midnight UTC all summaries now completed
[16:58] <pleia2> thanks everyone


[20:44] <dougpiston> rowdy group
[20:49] <androidbruce> dougpiston, not a lot of action in here lately man
[20:49] <androidbruce> not enough users in this group


[21:30] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:33] <olly> morning
[21:39] <ajmitch> morning
[21:46] <thumper> morning
[21:47] <ajmitch> oops, accidentally broke my debmirror config, have to redownload 90GB or so
[21:49] <ibeardslee> ouch
[21:50] <ajmitch> I'll just leave it running, won't take too long
[21:50] <ajmitch> at least it's just on my home system :)
[21:51] <ibeardslee> remember back in the days when you would have been in tears because you'd have to redownload 90MB?
[21:51] <ajmitch> or even 9MB
[21:51] <ajmitch> now I see it downloading at 90Mbps
[22:58] <hads> morning
[23:01] <ibeardslee> hads: how many of the experimenter's kits have you sold over the last couple of weeks?


[07:27] <LocutusOfBorg> s390x is on strike again
[09:02] <LocutusOfBorg> s390x is on fire!
[11:41] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: back now
[14:02] <realtime-neil> I'm looking for a tool that will produce a text dump of everything in a given team. Does such a thing exist? If so, what is it and where can I get it?
[14:03] <cjwatson> that's a very fuzzy concept really.  can you narrow it down at all?
[14:03] <cjwatson> (the answer is probably not as a single thing, but it might be possible to help with certain aspects of it)
[14:08] <realtime-neil> okay, consider the scope narrowed to just PPAs
[14:28] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: I think the answer is going to be that there's no such tool but it's relatively easy to build whatever you need using the API here - LP does enough different things that we intentionally prefer to build mechanisms that people can use to do what they need rather than prepackaged tools.  For example `team.ppas` (in launchpadlib, assuming that `team` is an object for a team that you've
[14:28] <cjwatson> already fetched) will give you a collection of all that team's PPAs, and for each PPA you can use e.g. https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#archive-getPublishedSources and https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#archive-getPublishedBinaries to see what's published in it
[14:29] <realtime-neil> Okay, thanks. I'm not much for python, but give it a go.
[14:30] <realtime-neil> sed 's/give it a go/I will give it a go/'
[14:33] <cjwatson> It's not mandatory to use Python to use the Launchpad API, but having bindings is useful.
[14:34] <cjwatson> Saves dealing with all the encoding/decoding etc.
[14:34] <realtime-neil> I'd be a fool to ignore the body of work that already exists.
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> realtime-neil, https://xkcd.com/353/
[17:11] <jugmac00> realtime-neil: This is a starter: https://gist.github.com/jugmac00/a77af7e4554de3042440fda8cfc10ce9
[17:12] <realtime-neil> thanks, jugmac00
[17:15] <cjwatson> (passing cachedir is unnecessary BTW, and the script is more naturally reusable by others if you leave that out)
[17:21] <jugmac00> cjwatson: thanks, updated
[18:33] <sarnold> unfortunately, a few hundred comics later, https://xkcd.com/353/
[18:52] <realtime-neil> sarnold, I think you pasted the wrong link
[18:54] <sarnold> ARGH
[18:54] <sarnold> https://xkcd.com/1987/
[18:54] <sarnold> apparently I still haven't adapted to firefox's new urlbar select behaviour :(
[18:54] <realtime-neil> That's always the one I remember when someone mentions `pip`.
[19:49] <realtime-neil> This is happening: https://code.launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/builds/+recipebuild/3397823    dependency wait on `libocct-foundation-dev (< 7.6)`; the target PPA "builds" is already depending on the PPA "freecad" providing the needed packages. https://launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/builds https://launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/freecad
[19:50] <realtime-neil> I've run `mark-suite-dirty --suite=focal` on both PPAs.
[19:50] <realtime-neil> I've retried the recipe.
[19:51] <realtime-neil> Error message mentions this: "builddeps:cadexsdk : Depends: libocct-foundation-dev (< 7.6) but 1:7.5.2+dfsg1-0~202107020155~ubuntu20.04.1 is to be installed"
[20:01] <realtime-neil> Meanwhile, the recipe for Jammy succeeds: https://code.launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/builds/+build/24191755
[22:09] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: Well, that's true - 1:7.5.2... is less than 7.6
[22:10] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: Maybe you meant "(<< 1:7.6)" ?
[22:10] <cjwatson> err is GREATER than 7.6, I meant to say
[22:11] <cjwatson> sorry, sometimes IRC would be more comprehensible with an edit function
[22:47] <realtime-neil> I gave up on version associations. I think I remember discovering that focal devscripts (or something) doesn't do version associations very well.
[22:48] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: I don't understand.  What's a "version association"?
[22:49] <cjwatson> (Not a term I've heard in ~23 years of doing Debian packaging.)
[22:50] <realtime-neil> the stuff in the parenthesis
[22:50] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: It is EXTREMELY unlikely that focal devscripts fails to parse versioned dependencies correctly, and much more likely that you mistyped them in some way.
[22:50] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: What you quoted above was definitely mistyped.
[22:51] <realtime-neil> What worked on jammy failed on focal. If I mistyped something I would have expected both failures.
[22:53] <cjwatson> Versioned dependencies are completely ubiquitous through the packaging system.  They work, I promise you.
[22:53] <cjwatson> So the problem is not that.
[22:54] <cjwatson> So where's this 1:7.5.2+dfsg1-0~202107020155~ubuntu20.04.1 version coming from, I wonder ...
[22:55] <realtime-neil> It _was_ in the "builds" ppa before I deleted it.
[22:55] <cjwatson> Oh right, I see it now
[22:55] <realtime-neil> Deleting it didn't help me.
[22:55] <cjwatson> It will do, you may just not have waited for the deletion to complete
[22:55] <cjwatson> That was exactly and precisely the problem
[22:55] <realtime-neil> Ah. spooky invisible actions
[22:56] <cjwatson> The reason for the problem is that 1:7.5.2+dfsg1-0~202107020155~ubuntu20.04.1 is not less than 7.6 - the epoch at the start means that it's greater than any version without the epoch
[22:57] <realtime-neil> And that's fine. The desired versions are in my freecad PPA
[22:57] <cjwatson> (epoch = 1:, 2: etc. as a prefix to the version, generally used for getting out of situations where the version numbering sequence of a package changes so that a later version doesn't actually compare later)
[22:57] <realtime-neil> unless I'm not understanding
[22:58] <cjwatson> Right, so it should all be just fine if you revert your Build-Depends change and let the recipe build again.
[22:58] <realtime-neil> I might try that tomorrow.
[22:58] <cjwatson> The deletion has completed properly now, so it won't see that 1:7.5.2... version and be confused by it.
[22:58] <realtime-neil> thanks very much!
[22:58] <realtime-neil> How can I tell if a deletion has completed?
[22:59] <cjwatson> Look at https://code.launchpad.net/~realtime-robotics/+archive/ubuntu/builds/+packages and see if the package is still there
[22:59] <cjwatson> When the deletion completes, it'll go away (unless you filter by "Any status" - the default filter is "Published")
[22:59] <realtime-neil> Ah, okay. thanks again
[22:59] <cjwatson> When you request a deletion, that's queued for the next publisher cycle
[22:59] <cjwatson> Same as uploads and completed builds
[23:02] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: Probably something that I've internalized so much by this point I don't even think that it might not be obvious, TBH!
[23:03] <cjwatson> I wonder if we should change the page notification you get when you delete packages to briefly explain that the packages will be deleted soon, to cue people into the fact that it isn't instant.
[23:04] <cjwatson> I think at the moment it just says "Source and binaries deleted by <name>" and a list of the affected packages
[23:24] <sarnold> I don't hit that button often but I thought it said something to suggest it might not happen immediately, but the visual feedback also suggests that in *this* case it happened immediately


[16:16] <xu-help45w> Hi! I am installing Xubuntu odn my parents' old PC. It has 16 gb SSD and 750 gb HDD. Does 16 gb ssd suffice for OS? And use HDD for personal files..
[16:19] <krytarik> xu-help45w: Yeah, pretty much it does, also see: https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[16:20] <xu-help45w> Thanks. Seen that one. But afraid if it fills up quickly with updates and such and suddenly becomes useless...
[16:24] <krytarik> Nah, I'm used to run my OS on a partition this small or even smaller, and as it turns out I'm at 6 GB right now on a similar system (just based on Debian) which I'm running for a couple of years now..
[16:26] <xu-help45w> do you have /usr on other disk?
[16:26] <krytarik> Nope.
[16:28] <krytarik> My home directory I do have on another partition though.
[16:29] <xu-help45w> Ok, thanks!
[16:29] <krytarik> Sure!


 fwiw, I have trialled all the distros.  Kubuntu is the best for me.
 Kubuntu is definitely my distro of choice as well. You should give Cinnamon a roll, though. @ItzSwirlz did a heck of a job creating it for the community. It is technically a remix, not a distro. (re @Ron: fwiw, I have trialled all the distros.  Kubuntu is the best for me.)
 @ Zacharia.  Thanks for note. Maybe I will someday.  I switched to Kubuntu for QT.  As time went by, I had increasing need for QT apps, which are dreadful when run on gnome, but are great when run on a qt distro.
 yep telegram does open up a new wave of contributions that wouldn't be available if we limited ourselves to just iRC. (re @tsimonq2: Telegram really does help attract new people it seems)
 lotuspsychje: we can try and organize another joint #ubuntutestingweek for the point release if that is something that the flavors are interested in doing (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for the pointers)
 welcome Bob. that's great. (re @Bob: I've been testing studio amd Mixbus 6)
 Thanks (re @Zachariah: Kubuntu is definitely my distro of choice as well. You should give Cinnamon a roll, though. @ItzSwirlz did a heck of a job creating it for the community. It is technically a remix, not a distro.)
 We are still a sister
 We are still a distro (edited)
 We have remix bc yeah Ubuntu trademark
 Hi everyone, any idea why /etc/securetty is missing on focal ? had some errors associated with it.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> @philipz yeah good idea!
 would it conflict with the time we'd want to do testing for 20.10?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> question for the devs @philipz, im not sure how they work on one project or several at same time/schedule
 @RikMills how far apart is the .1 release than the 20.10 release and which of the two is more important to do testing for?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> would be handy to see a roadmap for insiders :p
 20.04.1 is 23rd July, while 20.10 is October. so no clash (re @philipz: @RikMills how far apart is the .1 release than the 20.10 release and which of the two is more important to do testing for?)
 Thank you for exact date (re @RikMills: 20.04.1 is 23rd July, while 20.10 is October. so no clash)
 LEAK-uhno
 @popeydc @wimpress any recommendations when we should try and do an #ubuntutestingweek for the .1 release?
 here is the schedule for focal - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
 ask me again tomorrow when I am back at my desk :)
 okay will do
 Or, ask on discourse :)
 so it's a nice public conversation
  (re @philipz: here is the schedule for focal - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule)
 last time we did the testing week 3 weeks before the release, which seems like a good to follow the same, which means july 2nd
 Oh god let's hope I get this out before point release (re @philipz: )
 if you need to release ubuntu lumina at 20.04.1 that might be ok
 Is Xubuntu Ubiquity in live session supposed to have maximize?
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz No.
[23:04] <Eickmeyer> At least, in Studio it never did.
 Ok
 Also greeted with a stuck “setting up the partitioner” screen in ubiquity
 But I probably messed around with it enough to make it overload on processes :P
 Me accidentally testing XFCE zoom, I’m like:

 What’s the package for this theme?

 Looks like it’s this:

 Bug #1872313
 Bug #1879199


[21:06] <clivejo_> how do I find source which has already been uploaded to LP?
[21:07] <clivejo_> Keep getting the following error - Rejected: File pyjokes_0.5.0.orig.tar.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents.


[12:36] <PriceChild> LjL, You're just not good enough...  - You got on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6288119.stm and I didn't :(
[12:40] <LjL> if you ask how you can force an fsck on reboot, and i give you the !fsck factoid, you can see for yourself that it tells you how to do that. it may be wrong about it, what do i know, but it does
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Were you after they closed requests?  They might still be processing.  Mez made it too.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> when did we make a flash plugin for 64 bit :(
[12:41] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, No I submitted a few days ago
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: odd
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: we did?
[12:41] <PriceChild> They obviously didn't like mine :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> what a bug reporter said
[12:41] <gnomefreak> im gonna ping crimsun and ask i think
[12:43] <gnomefreak> libflash-mozplugin + libflash0c2 is what hes saying runs on 64bit
[12:44] <gnomefreak> they seem to both be in universe
[01:16] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: not adobe flash
[01:16] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: and not very good
[01:22] <gnomefreak> so its one of those things that dont work really either
[01:51] <maddash> gah, I assumed that he left b/c he had no idea of why pasting was wrong
[01:51] <LjL> maddash: it's just not productive to talk about operator actions in #ubuntu, which is why there is this channel
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: maybe he had no idea of anything that happened
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: but at any rate, my primary concern is that the channel doesn't get flooded
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: so since he still hadn't finished pasting apparently, i muted him
[01:52] <maddash> no, I'm not saying the mute was wrong...it wasn't....
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: i sent him a !paste factoid in a private query too, though
[01:52] <maddash> oh! nvm everything, then
[02:26] <LjL> tonyyarusso: [02:26:24]  <tommckay> i didn't see humour being banned anywhere. (private query - redirected here)
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Part of a general crackdown on language after I started hilighting things and saw how bad it is.  Welcome to come here for follow-up if desired.
[02:29] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i know i was going to kick him too for that matter, just i opted for the "ahum"
[02:29] <LjL> not sure why he queried me and not you
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[02:29] <LjL> sure enough the n-words sets up enough highlights on us...
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> eww, I have 42 hilights now :P
[02:31] <LjL> tonyyarusso: oh i definitely beat you, let me count
[02:31] <somerville32> lol
[02:32] <LjL> tonyyarusso: 106
[02:32] <somerville32> Crazy
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> nice
[02:32] <LjL> not really, i just am too lazy to remove the ones i don't need anymore
[02:32] <LjL> it's not like they're all "dangerous" words, most of them are hostmasks
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> a lot of mine are too
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> I added some coolness to the auto_sev_bleh script to add a hostmask hilight for anyone I take action against.
[02:34] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'm much more do-it-yourself with konversation ;\
[02:36] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: can you post it somewhere? i didnt know you knew perl
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't.  ;)  I guessed.  I have some other things I want to try - I'll probably post it if I succeed.
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I want to add auto-op for topic changes and ban-remove kinds of things, as well as scanning the chanserv.py to see if there are other things I should try to translate.
[02:41] <gnomefreak> k
[02:49] <somerville32> Xchat's already supports that ;]
[02:51] <LjL> !blacklist
[02:51] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[02:51] <LjL> !no blacklist is <reply> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[02:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:51] <LjL> !modules is <alias> blacklist
[02:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Well yeah, hence looking at the script to see what's in there.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> any new developments or blow ups?
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Not that I know of
[03:36] <Hobbsee> oh good
[03:36] <Hobbsee> two legit messages thunderbird thinks is spam
[03:36] <somerville32> Jenda, unfortunately, blew up today due to spontaneous combustion. We will miss her.
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Well, Rhythmbox apparently won't start, but hey
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah, one is asking for mroe ops at the council
[03:37] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> bah.  you didnt want it to start anyway
[03:37] <somerville32> It's a ghost!
[03:56] <Hobbsee> argh!  a ghost!!!
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> wooooowoooooooooooooo
[03:58] <somerville32> hehe
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> Small doses somerville32 - it comes along, just very slowly
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont drop to many at once or you'll melt the keyboards crust :)
[04:04] <somerville32> ;]
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i'm no longer picless person on planet now.  or wotn be, soon
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: yay!
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Now I just need to figure out what on earth I'm doing with my blog and get on there.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:30] <elkbuntu> nalioth, ping
[06:30] <nalioth> elkbuntu: pong
[06:30] <elkbuntu>  /e17/bin/edje_cc: Error. unable to load image for image "brushed.png" part entry to ../../data/init/default.edj. Missing PNG or JPEG loader modules for Evas or file does not exist, or is not readable.
[06:31] <elkbuntu> neither tony nor i had a clue
[06:31] <elkbuntu> so i left it as that about 1am and went to bed
[06:31] <elkbuntu> care to rejoin that crazily named channel?
[06:32] <nalioth> invite me, please
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> serves you right :P
[06:37] <mneptok> heh. more Dvorak users?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hey mneptok
[06:37] <mneptok> pyfgcrl, dudes
[06:39] <mneptok> fighting the good fight, Hobbsnose?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> nah
[06:40] <somerville32> Hobbsee, has minions to do her fighting
[06:40] <mneptok> but ... class struggle is the defining characteristic of human endeavor!
[06:40] <Hobbsee> somerville32: exactly.
[06:40] <mneptok> or is that microwave popcorn?
[06:41] <somerville32> Hobbsee is root.   You could tell a joke to Bill in the coffeeshop, and Jane would laugh when she saw you on the bus two days later.
[07:30] <DBO> tonyyarusso, sounds like my life all the time
[07:44] <nalioth> lovely router
[07:45] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: unless Jane dematerialized from the bus due to lag
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> Darn you DBO !!  You're two characters quicker than me.
[09:52] <DBO> =P
[09:52] <DBO> if it werent for frogzoo I would not have seen it
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> Ah.  Gotta love the hilights.
[10:29] <GazzaK> awww
[10:29] <popey> not heard that one for a while
[10:31] <mneptok> not to put too fine a point on it, say i'm the only bee in your bonnet.
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> !away | Mez
[10:37] <ubotu> Mez: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> :P
[10:39] <GazzaK> now if he responds to that, can we all laugh?
[10:40] <mneptok> no.
[10:40] <mneptok> hilarity is not allowed.
[10:41] <GazzaK> oh, sorry
[10:41] <GazzaK> i'll go stand in the corner
[10:43] <mneptok> that's hilarious. now i shall ban you.
[11:40] <GazzaK> bully
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> slooooowwwwwwest comeback EVER
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, its insde the 1 hour rule ;)
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: true.  barely
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> tehehe
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: you heard of OPTUS, as an ISP?
[11:44] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, heh, they're one of the bigger ones
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2nd infact ;)
[11:45] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Just thought I'd let you know their uptime is astounding.
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, what do you mean?
[11:45] <GazzaK> tonyyarusso, on purpose :p
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Well see, there's a nick on freenode that would be convenient for me to have, since it's my system login and therefore default nick with any new IRC clients that I try.  It's registered, but the registrant hasn't used it in a long, long time, so I thought I'd grab it.  Thing is though, that someone else other than the registrant is using it.
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> My plan was to just wait until they got off and take it when they were done, and I set up a supybot to do that.  But, it's been a couple of weeks now and they're still on - didn't anticipate that one :S
[11:49] <GazzaK> kick them off?
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, thats their pc/client/shell being up  long time ;) i'd (personally) expect any isp to have connections that long
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: I suppose
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> GazzaK: I have neither the means nor the desire to do that :)
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, my mates are on dynamic ips - our isp hasnt changed our ips so long their dyndns accoutns got deleted :|
[11:51] <GazzaK> do it mneptok it's enteraining
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> haha
[12:34] <apokryphos> why is the locobot logging #xubuntu?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> not sure
[12:35] <jenda> prod smurf
[12:36] <jenda> BTW, I muted or banned Mez out of 3 channels, till he turns off public away.
[12:36] <apokryphos> yeah, perhaps when he's around
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> crud.  I'm at the LP bugs page and can't remember the bug I'm reporting...
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> jenda: okay
[12:36] <apokryphos> jenda: why not just tell him next time he's around? I'm sure he'll comply ;-)
[12:36] <jenda> apokryphos: because he isn't around now :)
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> I sent him !away as well
[12:37] <jenda> and I don't know how may times he might go away till I get a chance to tell him.
[12:37] <apokryphos> jenda: but surely the next offence can only happen after he's back? :P
[12:37] <jenda> and a mute is a decent way to tell him, anyway ;)
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> If anybody has a moment, add some thoughts to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas please.
[12:37] <jenda> apokryphos: but I mightn't be here.
[12:37] <jenda> right - -classroom is one of those channels.
[12:38] <apokryphos> jenda: memos are good :P
[12:38] <jenda> Sorry Mez :) will be unmuted ASAP.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: define launchpad
[12:40] <gnomefreak> on the ideas page
[12:40] <jenda> define?
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Good call.  I think some LP folks actually just put together an introduction piece, so I'll look up who that was and see if they can do a shindig.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i just added bug traige
[12:41] <gnomefreak> because LP is a little general
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Are you willing to teach it as well by any chance?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:42] <gnomefreak> ofcourse ;)
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Sweet
[12:42] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Add your name next to it then?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> k
[12:43] <gnomefreak> done :)
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> :)
[12:45] <PriceChild> :P
[12:45] <gnomefreak> jenda: i would say yes unless its a *bump* (for lack of bettter words) for the team
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ohhhhhhh
[12:46] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: lets volenteer PriceChild for a beryl/desktop effects class :)
[12:46] <jenda> gnomefreak: I'd have to think about the content.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> i think having one would be good/usfull
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Yes, you could.
[12:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, Only if they're running Edgy + Nvidia/intel... I'm not having anything else ;)
[12:46] <jenda> tonyyarusso: 'pends on if there's enough to say :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: would you be willing to
[12:47] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: tahts fine since dapper and beryl really shouldnt be
[12:47] <PriceChild> Yeah I'd be willing of course
[12:47] <jenda> tonyyarusso: so far, I can think of tips on branding in artwork (which overlies the artwork session), and how you can participate in Ubuntu even if you are no good at coding or translations.
[12:47] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Oh, there's plenty.  I'd suggest doing a joint with somerville32 if possibly.  You could talk about say three easy ways to get started on marketing (making a CD display, whatever), and Cody could brief them on how the UWN process works.
[12:47] <jenda> PriceChild: which image
[12:47] <gnomefreak> seeing as everyone is either running or wants to run beryl i think that class would kick class
[12:47] <jenda> PriceChild: the beryl chart-thing?
[12:48] <jenda> cool
[12:48] <PriceChild> jenda, the one explaining aiglx+xgl etc. and what you need etc.
[12:48] <PriceChild> yeah
[12:48] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Even if it's just general stuff - not so much user support as "what the heck is all of this?" it would be good.  Add the topic and your name to the page if you can.
[12:48] <PriceChild> Yeah sure :)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: when are you looking at starting these classes?
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> I want to get a pretty complete schedule going soon for at least the first third of 2007, and since it's already the end of January...
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: ASAP, probably on an every-other-weekend basis.
[12:50] <tonyyarusso> We were doing them semi-regularly, but dropped the ball a bit on administration.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: just let me know a bit in advance. (im tring to clean up alot of work)
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Of course.  I'll give you more than the three hours I got for mine.  :P  (instructor on the schedule was a no-show)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> before mine i would do the LP calls and membership at the very least.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> classes not calls
[12:52] <gnomefreak> bugs == big help on membership apps. and would help if they new LP before trying
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> They'll probably happen in two sorts of steps, restarting from the ground-level stuff following Feisty release, to bring in the new users we get with that.
[12:54] <jenda> PriceChild: would it make no sense at all if I made it look like Xorg sits on top of AIGLX?
[12:54] <PriceChild> Not really....
[12:54] <PriceChild> It would make slightly more sense the other way round...
[12:55] <jenda> ok - I'll let you switch it if you feel like it, it's .odg
[12:55] <PriceChild> But still, seen as we're dealing with edgy only we don't really need a separate bit :P
[12:55] <PriceChild> Ok :)
[12:55] <jenda> but I'll put it as I said, because it fits better graphically, with Xorg sitting on top of nVidia.
[12:56] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:56] <jenda> what did that last thing mean?
[12:56] <PriceChild> nevermind :)
[12:56] <jenda> ok
[12:56] <jenda> :)
[01:17] <jenda> PriceChild: diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg
[01:17] <jenda> knock yourself out ;)
[01:18] <jenda> or... tell me if you like it that way, I'll replace it with a .png.
[01:18] <PriceChild> woo ty :)
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> silly people who don't put protocols on their URLs...
[01:18] <jenda> That way, you can link directly to it during the sessions
[01:18] <jenda> tonyyarusso: sorry http://diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> much better :)
[01:18] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, +1 - I had to highlight and middle click and everything :O
[01:18] <jenda> tonyyarusso: I actually typed that by hand :)
[01:19] <jenda> lazy people ;)
[01:19] <jenda> wuzzat?
[01:19] <jenda> oh, BTW, let's move to #ubuntu-nun
[01:19] <jenda> it's ot here.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Agreed
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for being anal retentive, but !linux, first character, should be capitalised ;) <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core)...etc
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> !linux
[01:38] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> !-linux
[01:38] <ubotu> linux has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 16:35:48
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> Ah, that's why.
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: no, linux is <reply> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:39] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty :)
[02:20] <jenda> check
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> I hope commenting in the bantracker's fixed
[02:31] <Seeker`> why is the <reply> neccessary?
[02:32] <Seeker`> when using ubotu?
[02:32] <Seeker`> what else can it do?
[02:32] <jenda> I think that makes the difference between "Linux is the kernel..." and "For more info about linux..."
[02:33] <jenda> which would (without <reply>) say "Linux is For more info about Linux..."
[02:33] <jenda> ie. <reply> removes the "<factoid> is" from the reply...
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> without reply it says whateverthenameofthefactoidis is such and such
[02:33] <jenda> But that's a guess.
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> Factoid names are lowercase.
[02:33] <jenda> ooh :)
[02:33] <jenda> good guess :)
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> To get Suchandsuch is, you need a <reply>
[02:34] <jenda> Suchandsuch sounds like a town in Germany.
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> You're thinking of Suchtachtzuckt
[02:36] <jenda>
[02:36] <jenda> Actually, I can't claim to have been thinking at all.
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> that too
[02:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, apokryphos said: forget bar
[02:44] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: But then the priests and rabbis will walk into it all over again!
[02:44] <apokryphos> I don't think it coincidence that it's me more than anyone else ;-)
[02:45] <apokryphos> it might be worth starting an OnConnect event to identify myself with ubotu, considering the amount of times it's happened 8)
[02:45] <Jucato> :P
[02:48] <gnomefreak> :( everyone is thinking and i reached my thinking limit for the week
[02:48] <gnomefreak> well everyone but jenda :)
[02:49] <gnomefreak> btw tonyyarusso im wondering (not thinking) if your issue can be caused by the kernel snd module
[02:49] <gnomefreak> if it only happens on reboot
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't have the foggiest idea.  That level of things is well beyond my current expertise.
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> If you have thoughts, add a comment to the bug and we'll see what crimsun says.
[02:50] <gnomefreak> if i see him i will check with him and one of us will add comments tto it :)
[03:01] <Lapfunc> hi.  i appear to have been shunted to #ubuntu-read-topic even though i am not vulnerable to said exploit.  any idea why?
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> Lapfunc: /join ##tonyyarusso please to confirm
[03:03] <Lapfunc> done
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> Lapfunc: All set in #ubuntu
[03:06] <Mez> jenda: ping
[03:07] <Lapfunc> cheers tony
[03:07] <Lapfunc> :)
[03:08] <Mez> nalioth: ping
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> Mez: This about your mutes, or a staff-y thing?
[03:09] <Mez> a bit of both
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> ah
[03:09] <Mez> one for each :P
[03:10] <Mez> jenda -> mutes (WTF?)
[03:10] <Mez> and nalioth -> channel contacts
[03:10] <Mez> s/contacts/access
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> Mez: Didn't you see your scrollback about the mutes?
[03:10] <gnomefreak> Mez: away messages are not to be used
[03:10] <gnomefreak> !away
[03:10] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[03:10] <Mez> !slap people because it was an accident
[03:11] <gnomefreak> Mez: he didnt know that im sure
[03:11] <Mez> I accidentally typed /ame instead of /me
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> Mez: hehe - we have no way to know that ;)
[03:11] <apokryphos> %lart mez
[03:11] <apokryphos> @Lart mez
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> I've seen that before - you should change that command.
[03:11] <Mez> * Mez -> bed
 Mez: thanks for telling in a gazillion channels ;)
 pusling, accidental /ame
[03:12] <gnomefreak> if its that important the users that would need those type of answers will know to check /whois
[03:13] <Mez> gnomefreak, its sort ofa "night people - I'm off" thing
[03:13] <Mez> ffs
[03:13] <Mez> so where am i muted?
[03:14] <gnomefreak> that would be jenda but i thought he removed the mute in -classroom not sure how many other channels he muted you in
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> We can find out :)
[03:14] <Mez> I unmuted myself in -classroom
[03:15] <Mez> which is why I'm pingng nalioth, as I shoulda have some access other than ubuntu/member/* in there
[03:15] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: is there a /wherethehellismezmuted command?
[03:15] <apokryphos> Mez: no point if you still actually have access :P
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Well, no.  Bantracker + grep was my plan
[03:16] <Mez> apokryphos, well I dont agree with an access mask like that for there to be honest
[03:16] <gnomefreak> Mez: it was changed to that because nun isnt the only ones that use that channnel anymore
[03:16] <apokryphos> Mez: it was there when we had the open day, when any random ubuntu member might need ops
[03:16] <tonyyarusso> Mez: gnomefreak: It was mostly for Open Week, so people like Jono would have access.
[03:16] <Mez> gnomefreak, since UOW - have they used it ?
[03:16] <apokryphos> Mez: though it's caused no issues since leaving it there
[03:17] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i know but i thought it was decided to hold more things there
[03:17] <Mez> apokryphos, there havent been classes yet ... I'm sure there'll be some disruption at some point
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't know that it was even discussed, but that's just me
[03:17] <Mez> which is why I'd prefer specific access
[03:18] <apokryphos> Mez: there were loads of classes in openweek
[03:18] <gnomefreak> Mez: you have access
[03:18] <apokryphos> Mez: it's been like that for months and there's been no disruption. Considering the channel, no reason to think that really.
[03:18] <Mez> gnomefreak, access through my cloak only
[03:19] <apokryphos> Mez: just like most other ops in there
[03:19] <ubotu> In ubotu, IdleOne said: Noobuntu is here is a list of common/helpfull links: !mp3 !dvd !repos !ati !java !X please refer to these links by typing /msg ubotu !tigger i.e /msg ubotu mp3
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> You have to identify to get access anyway, and identifying gets you your cloak, right?
[03:20] <Mez> 1) i was actually going to remove a n access mask from there
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> That list _does_ need some work of some sort.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> It has ompaul as the channel owner.
[03:21] <apokryphos> tonyyarusso: nope, it's nalioth
[03:21] <Mez> tonyyarusso, nope - ompaul registered, nalith is channel contact
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: wait, nvm, you're right
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> He just was 30 so I assumed
[03:21] <apokryphos> yeah
[03:21] <Mez> nalioth as a rep of nun I believe was the contact
[03:22] <LjL> what is the matter anyway, all ubuntu members having access?
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> We need to discuss issues of NUN leadership more anyway - I left him a scrollback about that a few hours ago
[03:22] <LjL> i say if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it hasn't proved to be broken to my knowledge
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Probably none, I would think.
[03:23] <Mez> tonyyarusso, then lets hit -nun
[03:23] <Mez> gnomefreak, please unban me from -marketing
[03:23] <gnomefreak> Mez: im not in marketing
[03:24] <Mez> gnomefreak, but you're an op
[03:24] <gnomefreak> Mez: i never banned you from there that i can remember
[03:24] <apokryphos> jenda did
[03:25] <gnomefreak> jenda: i unbanned Mez from -marketing
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Mez: i did it but for future reffernce the person set the ban removes it
[03:26] <LjL> Seveas: ping see #ubuntu
[03:26] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: in this case it was only a ban to escape Mez's away message, I believe
[03:27] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: im wasnt in there so i dont know why it was set but i assumed that was the reason
[03:27] <LjL> [15:26:37]  <zoli2k> These conditions I did not find in ubuntu irc rules. I don't understand why ubotu is not limited then only for IM. I don't think that displeasing IRC users in such way is compatible with the philosophy of ubuntu. Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this.
[03:27] <LjL> private message - banned from #ubuntu, redirected here
[03:28] <gnomefreak> goodie ;)
[03:29] <tonyyarusso> wheeee
[03:29] <tonyyarusso> And um, aren't they in our rules somewhere?
[03:29] <LjL> course they are, they're in !msg the bot, which i had sent to him
[03:29] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines ??
[03:30] <gnomefreak> Jucato: should be in there
[03:30] <gnomefreak> but if not they should be
[03:30] <LjL> yes it's there too, i don't care anyway, you don't stalk me that way if i set a 2-minutes mute *after* giving you the factoid
[03:31] <gnomefreak> Jucato: they should be there
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> they're at the bottom - what's wrong with having them together?
[03:31] <Mez> I dont think "bot abuse" is reason for a ban
[03:31] <Mez> a /remove, maybe
[03:31] <Jucato> so that we could easily add more things to it without making that page longer than it already is
[03:31] <Mez> but not a ban unless persistent (after a warning)
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Careful with words here ("stalk").
[03:32] <LjL> Mez: which is just what happened
[03:32] <gnomefreak> Mez: bot abuse was the reason for the mute not the ban
[03:32] <Jucato> specially in light of an upcoming meeting
[03:32] <LjL> ok
[03:32] <LjL> PLEASE look at what happened before commenting things
[03:32] <LjL> 1) he asked two bot factoids 2) i gave him !msgthebot 3) he asked a third 4) i muted him for two minutes, saying so and explaining why 5) i unmuted him 6) he gave me that remark in a PM 7) i banned him
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: Ah.  Might make sense.  I guess we'll have to see what the length looks like.  Personally, I think it's kind of nice that everyone sees what we expect of ourselves too.
[03:33] <LjL> anyway, i also explicitly invited him to join here, and he didn't. so point moot.
[03:33] <Mez> LjL, then I disagree with the ban
[03:33] <LjL> Mez: ask him to come here and appeal it then
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Mez: (Do that in PM first please, per our earlier discussion)
[03:33] <Mez> he /msg'd you - fair enough - did he carry on ausing the bot ?
[03:33] <Jucato> tonyyarusso: true. but I somehow have a feeling that the section is going to become longer in the coming days/weeks :D
[03:33] <Mez> tonyyarusso, ?? It was bought up in here
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: I suspect you're right ;)
[03:34] <LjL> Mez: no. "asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this" qualifies as a clear statement that he is going to do it again, *and* disregards operator suggestions
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> Mez: I know - but that's one of the things we've been talking about trying to avoid.
[03:34] <Mez> LjL, not to me - the only thing that qualifies as a statement they're going to do it again is doing it again
[03:35] <LjL> then we disagree
[03:35] <Mez> I agree ;)
[03:40] <Mez> ooh, penlight
[03:46] <LjL> hi zoli2k
[03:46] <zoli2k> Hi
[03:46] <LjL> zoli2k: look, the problem here is - you weren't supposed to know about correct bot usage in advance, that's for sure
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k: in fact, the first thing i did was let you know that the bot should be used in private when you're just enquiring with it
[03:47] <zoli2k> Yes, but you blocked me immediately after your first warning
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k, well no, after my warning, you asked for a *third* bot factoid
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k: it appeared as you had ignored the warning
[03:48] <LjL> zoli2k: and, no, asking 3 questions is not "flooding", but flooding isn't the *only* thing that's bad for the channel
[03:48] <zoli2k> can I paste here the last message to the bot? 4-5 lines
[03:48] <zoli2k> my last question to bot was:
[03:48] <zoli2k> (15:18:27) zoli2k: !windowmanager
[03:49] <LjL> zoli2k: also, you understand that stating that "Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this." makes me assume that you're going to make up your own rules and not respect the estabilished ones, hence the ban
[03:49] <zoli2k> I received your warning after this:
[03:49] <zoli2k> (15:18:32) LjL: !msg the bot > zoli2k
[03:49] <gnomefreak> if anyone needs me ill be talking to ubotu for a while trying to figure some things out.
[03:49] <LjL> [15:17:54]  <LjL> !msg the bot > zoli2k
[03:49] <LjL> [15:17:57]  <-- painkiler has left this server (Connection timed out).
[03:49] <LjL> [15:18:12]  <zoli2k> !windowmanager
[03:49] <LjL> either your connection is very lagged, zoli2k...
[03:50] <zoli2k> I can send you a screenshot from my gaim, probably you don't belive I can edit them so quick.
[03:51] <LjL> zoli2k, there is no need, i can take your word about it.
[03:51] <LjL> zoli2k, i'll just ask you if you are, generally speaking, willing to use the channel in a way that doesn't clash with the CoC and guidelines, and whatever operators suggest is best
[03:51] <Mez> gnomefreak, it's great how AI can help us all out nowadays
[03:52] <zoli2k> LjL: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~kuscsik/Screenshot.png
[03:53] <gnomefreak> AI?
[03:53] <LjL> it's ok zoli2k, i was willing to believe you on that in any case
[03:54] <zoli2k> LjL: Of course, I will accept your rules. My suggestion is only to block the bot only for IM. I used it in general discussion because others do it.
[03:54] <LjL> zoli2k, no - you're mistaken about it
[03:54] <LjL> zoli2k: it's perfectly fine to use the bot in the channel
[03:55] <LjL> zoli2k: *as long as* you're using it to give help to somebody else, *and* you know what factoids to call
[03:55] <LjL> zoli2k: if you need it 1) for yourself or 2) to experiment with it or 3) you don't know what factoid to use, then you should do it in private or in #ubuntu-bots
[03:56] <LjL> Ubotu, tell zoli2k about bot | zoli2k, see the private message from Ubotu
[03:56] <LjL> this will also be useful i think
[03:57] <Mez> is there a mailing list for the CC?
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> there's a something
[03:59] <Mez> tonyyarusso, i just want to CC them regarding this Classroom stuff
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Mez<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is listed on the web site
[04:01] <Mez> I couldnt find it on the website, but James just poked me in the right direction
[04:02] <gnomefreak> it may not be listed because of the crap that would be put there/or ML spammers
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> It's not in the list on lists.ubunt.com, but it is on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council
[04:46] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: no audio is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Audacious, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:46] <LjL> !audio
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:46] <LjL> !players
[04:46] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:46] <Mez> !msg the bot > LjL
[04:46] <LjL> hmm, not sure if !audio should be alias !sound or !players
[04:46] <Mez> :P
[04:46] <LjL> Mez, i do it here in purpose... :)
[04:46] <Mez> hence the :P
[04:46] <LjL> just "documenting" what i change
[04:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:47] <Mez> is there a factoid to tell him about programming?
[04:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[04:47] <LjL> programming?
[04:48] <LjL> !audacious is <reply> A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[04:48] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[04:49] <LjL> !audio is <alias> sound
[04:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[04:49] <Mez> !editfactoid is <reply> Hi there! As we have had a few issues of abuse, all factoid edits are forwarded to the op team for review and addition. Your factoids will show up soon if they are accepted
[04:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[04:49] <Mez> !editfactoid > frogzoo
[04:49] <LjL> Mez: oh but they already get notified that it's being forwarded to #ubuntu-ops
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Mez: The bot tells them that already.
[04:50] <Mez> oh, I didnt know that
[04:50] <Mez> !forget editfactoid
[04:50] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[04:50] <LjL> !unidentify
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unidentify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <LjL> !test is a test
[04:50] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !test is a test
[04:50] <LjL> [16:50:44]  <ubotu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail
[04:51] <Mez> LjL, I cant unidentify ;)
[04:51] <Mez> @lart LjL
[04:51] <LjL> Mez, i used the wrong command anyway
[04:51] <Mez> @lasrt add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who
[04:51] <Mez> @lart add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who
[04:51] <Mez> @lart 35 me
[04:52] <Mez> ;)
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> unidentify?  Why?
[04:52] <LjL> tonyyarusso: to check out the message ubotu would send me on trying to add a factoid..
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> ah
[04:52] <gnomefreak> .win 1
[04:52] <Mez> gnomefreak, lol
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> LjL: what about identify -nick pw?
[04:53] <LjL> tonyyarusso, don't know, but unidentify does work
[04:53] <LjL> just not with a ! in front of it
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> ah
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> Right, it won't let you do that stuff in channel
[04:53] <Mez> you got to love it when your mother arrives at your house, out of the blue, with a weeks work of shopping with her for you
[04:53] <Mez> tonyyarusso, acutally it will
[04:53] <LjL> %unidentify
[04:53] <ubotu> OK  If you remain recognized after giving this command, you're being recognized by hostmask, rather than by password.  You must remove whatever hostmask is causing you to be recognized in order not to be recognized.
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> Mez: eh?  Mine won't.
[04:54] <Mez> but ubotu doesnt respond to ! :P
[04:54] <Mez> It responds to %
[04:54] <Mez> as above ;)
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> ah, duh
[04:56] <LjL> anyway i forgot about frogzoo's edits now
[04:56] <LjL> !sound
[04:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:56] <LjL> !no sound is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:00] <Mez> !sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:00] <LjL> do we want Audacious in the list of players, since it's not in the official repos, even though it's packaged?
[05:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> doubt it.  They should be apt-gettable
[05:00] <LjL> i tend to agree
[05:01] <LjL> Mez: careful :P
[05:01] <LjL> !search sound
[05:01] <ubotu> Found: sound,sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts,ni ripping,youtube sound,audioediting,esd,soundblaster,sound-#kubuntu,audio,ripping
[05:02] <LjL> !forget sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts
[05:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:02] <LjL> !sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:02] <ubotu> sound-#kubuntu is already known
[05:02] <LjL> !no sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:03] <Mez> whoops
[05:04] <LjL> @lart Ubtu for not spotting typos
[05:24] <somerville32> I just noticed that LoCo bot is in #xubuntu and #ubuntu-bugs
[05:24] <somerville32> I get the following on join:
[05:24] <somerville32> -LoCoBot_2- #xubuntu: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!
[05:24] <somerville32> -LoCoBot_2- #ubuntu-bugs: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!
[05:44] <KennethP>  I've been redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic. I've changed my port to 8001 and wonder how I then will be able to join #ubuntu not carrying and contamination with me...?
[05:45] <KennethP> *any
[05:45] <LjL> KennethP: i can test you if you don't mind
[05:45] <KennethP> sure go ahead
[05:45] <KennethP> Thanks!
[05:46] <LjL> KennethP: thank you for your patience
[05:47] <KennethP> and thanks for the Invite! ttyl
[05:47] <apokryphos> somerville32: already reported in #ubuntu-locoteams
[05:48] <apokryphos> waiting around for smurf
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Are you testing with /notice
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> ?
[06:05] <LjL> tonyyarusso: uh?
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Oh, never mind.
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> /invite
[06:06] <LjL> ah, yes
[06:06] <LjL> i just tested in PRIVMSG
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> I didn't know it worked in privmsg
[06:07] <LjL> i sure hope it does :o)
[06:07] <LjL> but i see no reason why it shouldn't, after all channel messages *are* just PRIVMSG
[06:37] <LjL> who's fleishwurst? #ubuntu+1
[06:37] <LjL> i see a lot of bans on him (well, on his host)
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:35]  * hanswurst<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #xfce
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  * wurstmann<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #xfce
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  <hanswurst> hi all :)
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  <wurstmann> hi all :)
[06:38] <somerville32> It appears he gets around
[06:39] <LjL> well i don't have a strong reason for banning him again, but i sure don't like that
[06:41] <apokryphos> hmm
[06:43] <nalioth> LjL: listen carefully please (ALL OF YOU) fleischwurst is a troll who used to go by the nick of "neoxan".  if you don't want trouble, ban him.  he is known the network over for his crap
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Ooooo, those are the same person eh?
[06:43] <LjL> nalioth, i could realize that quite easily, however i was waiting for a valid reason to ban him - i've had that
[06:44] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i just searched for versanet.de, and that tells enough
[06:45] <nalioth> nothing but trouble
[06:46] <nalioth> apokryphos: he changes proxies
[06:46] <apokryphos> might as well ban what he's using now though, since we know he's around ubuntu channels
[06:46] <LjL> nalioth: i suggest the other kind of ban too, he kept that information unchanged with the last three clones
[07:10] <gnomefreak> Mez: you here?
[07:14] <gnomefreak> Mez: few points to know before going and doing things on your own without checking with people if you dont already know. point 1 the CC does not need to approve any team other than loco teams so sending the email to the CC just spams their list (not to mention in the middle of sprint week. 2. what is wrong with classroom the way it is? i dont think pulling -classroom away from nun is gonna help it at all. 3 there needs to be a meeting ab
[07:15] <gnomefreak> nalioth: why am i on your Lp page?
[07:20] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i have no idea
[07:20] <gnomefreak> he posted it in the email
[07:20] <gnomefreak> you would have thought since he made a LP page he might have linked us to it but we got yours instead :(
[07:21] <nalioth> oh. you are AT my LP page, not "listed" on it
[07:22] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yep it was posted in the Ml entry
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: "to be a meeting ab..."
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> (so many meetings...)
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> :P
[07:32] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: cant change things that affect what 20+ people part of nun without a meeting
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I absolutely agree with you.  I'm just amused by my sad attempts at scheduling this whole "life" thing...
[07:33] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: thats why its a team not mezs team not my team its everyones
[07:33] <gnomefreak> we help eachother (atleast used to)
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> right
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Well, as part of that, I need to get to campus and get some things done.
[07:35] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: where is the link you had this morning
[07:35] <gnomefreak> about classes
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas - that one?
[07:36] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:41] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: im sorry but if you want to add the bug class back feel free but i will no teach it until things get settled i work with people not for people (not torwards you at all)
[07:41] <gnomefreak> s/no/not
[07:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, pbureau said: ubotu - if lampp is load in init.d sure it will
[08:11] <LjL> nalioth: ping
[08:11] <LjL> nalioth: nevermind
[08:12] <LjL> nalioth: well look at -offtopic just for kicks
[08:13] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[08:15] <joejaxx> nalioth: what is that tor link you always used to show me?
[08:18] <joejaxx> nalioth: it was an article about it
[08:19] <nalioth> how tor isn't secure?
[08:19] <joejaxx> yes
[08:19] <LjL> it ain't?
[08:19] <gnomefreak> LjL: nope
[08:19] <gnomefreak> not like people think it is
[08:20] <LjL> well, what i think is that the connection is encrypted when it goes through the tor routers, and 1) the start node knows the route but not the contents 2) the end node knows the contents but not the route
[08:21] <nalioth> http://tor.unixgu.ru/
[08:22] <joejaxx> nalioth: thank you
[08:23] <Mez> gnomefreak: you're sadly mistaken that I went away for another linux distro
[08:25] <nalioth> the reason may be incorrect
[08:26] <apokryphos> Mez: wow, that's mine, except I still hung around :O
[08:26] <gnomefreak> maybe not but as i said i believe meaning i thought that is the reason i had heard
[08:26] <gnomefreak> but read everything else
[08:26] <Mez> gnomefreak, then obviously you didnt read it well enough
[08:26] <Mez> or thngs didnt come across as they were meant
[08:27] <Mez> I'd like to propose
[08:27] <Mez> seems to me that no decision has been made
[08:27] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, I'll teach anything that needs teaching. Just ask me if I know the topic first, haha
[08:27] <gnomefreak> what about the team you made without telling anyone
[08:28] <gnomefreak> that in itself is a decision that should have been asked or voted on first
[08:29] <gnomefreak> please feel free to correct how your email was supposed to mean and comment on it than but from what i see no meeting was ever asked about and the team was made
[08:29] <Mez> gnomefreak, surely you cant oppose that a team be made?
[08:30] <Mez> I mean - it's just a "unit" of people. whether that team be in launchpad or not - there still technically *IS* a team of people who *do* manage the classroom.
[08:30] <gnomefreak> Mez: the people of NUN made classroom. you taking it upon yourself to make a team before asking people what they think you had it set that you were leading this "team" and doesnt care what anyone else really thinks
[08:31] <Mez> gnomefreak, as I've said - there already IS a team, in a physical sense.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> or you wouldnt have gone and made the team without the ok of the community. i suggest this goes to the NUn mailing list to continue
[08:31] <ompaul> the function of a team is that team's if another team wants to take over that space, the first team better be defunct, or not in operation
[08:32] <somerville32> What does NUN stand for?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> new user network
[08:33] <ompaul> nalioth, .. just a minor ping - I have done what I said I would do
[08:33] <gnomefreak> somerville32: its there as a team to help new users to ubuntu get used to it and help them for the most part. atleast thats what it stood for when i applied
[08:33] <somerville32> Oh, right right
[08:33] <nalioth> ompaul: :)
[08:34] <ompaul> classroom was spawned out of it, as a result of somepersons words
[08:34] <ompaul> as in classroom was spawned from NUN is was I meant
[08:34] <ompaul> s/was/what/
[08:34] <gnomefreak> ompaul: we had a meeting in early jan or late dec we were bring classes back and we were gonna talk to motu about merging our classees
[08:34] <ompaul> that was a long day
[08:35] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well the way I would view that is that the "classroom" is a funtion room and let any group drive meetings in it - but as it is an IRC issue then the IRC council should the the ultimate keyholder
[08:35] <ompaul> function
[08:36] <ompaul> excuse my typos, I have had a very long hard day
[08:37] <gnomefreak> i read typos well and make them well too :)
[08:37] <nalioth> re ompaul: which is why -classroom allows ANY cloaked ubuntu member to operate in it
[08:38] <ompaul> nalioth, as I think we came up with in our original plan after the first lessons were run
[08:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul: correct as i found out
[08:38] <Mez> I hope that my latest email(s) clarify things
[08:41] <fdoving> can anyone post links to mail archive-threads? - it's impossible to not get interested in all the arguments/fresh debates in this channel :)
[08:41] <nalioth> lists.ubuntu.com  ubuntu-nun list fdoving
[08:42] <fdoving> ok. thanks.
[08:42] <fdoving> one of the few lists i'm not subscribed to.
[08:44] <gnomefreak> nalioth: the meeting we had in dec-janish where did we keep those logs? mixed in with ubuntulog's logs?
[08:46] <nalioth> i'm sure they are there, if the meeting was in -meeting
[08:46] <Mez> I'll see how i feeel about it in a couplem of days
[08:50] <fdoving> Mez: your suggestion is to make #ubuntu-classroom more like #ubuntu-meeting?
[08:50] <fdoving> .. but for classes..
[08:52] <ompaul> and maybe that NUN mail from me helps a little - think about the objective
[08:54] <fdoving> yeah, i completely agree.
[08:54] <Mez> ompaul, tahts the kind of feedback I was looking for
[08:55] <Mez> not "oh god mez is trying to split us up" or" oh mez is evil" (once again)
[08:55] <ompaul> Mez, that is a given }:->
[08:55] <Mez> :(
[08:56] <Mez> I'll dismiss taht comment for now as i have to go to work
[08:56] <Mez> but look forward to my blog post in the next few days people - it's going to be an interesting one
[08:57] <Mez> ffdoving: lol
[08:58] <Mez> y too much
[08:58] <Mez> no, i jusyt do waay too much
[08:59] <fdoving> but you know. kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, kubuntu-beasties, as an example, could be merged to one.
[08:59] <fdoving> maybe leave kubuntu-members out of that merge, but you get the idea.
[08:59] <fdoving> having a team for every little thing becomes a mess when you do lots of stuff.
[09:11] <apokryphos> someone also needs to kill the Ubuntu United Kingdom Team
[09:14] <effie_jayx> jenda... I'm banned from ubuntu... what did I do?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> maybe the web/cgi
[09:15] <LjL> effie_jayx: probably just your cgi:irc gateway being banned
[09:15] <nalioth> effie_jayx: you're not cloaked
[09:16] <LjL> effie_jayx: yes, that is it, ircatwork.com is banned
[09:16] <LjL> i can set an exempt but i suppose if you have a cloak, just use it ;)
[09:16] <nalioth> LjL: set the +e, his cloak isn't working
[09:16] <LjL> k
[09:16] <nalioth> i'll look into it
[09:17] <effie_jayx> thanks :D
[09:17] <effie_jayx> no problem
[09:17] <effie_jayx> I am at the university and the IRC is not allowed :S
[09:17] <LjL> effie_jayx: can you join now?
[09:17] <nalioth> effie_jayx: dont you have an ubuntu cloak?
[09:18] <effie_jayx> nope
[09:18] <nalioth> then +e it'll be, i guess
[09:19] <effie_jayx> good
[09:19] <effie_jayx> I'mm done
[09:19] <effie_jayx> i'm in I was scared
[09:21] <LjL> heh
[11:34] <LjL> effie_jayx: can i remove the exempt now?
[11:35] <effie_jayx> yeap.. I'm bak home
[11:35] <effie_jayx> :D
[11:35] <LjL> well, the one for the nickname at least - not too comfortable with that
[11:35] <LjL> k
[11:35] <effie_jayx> sure go ahead.... sorry :D
[11:35] <LjL> no need to be, it's just a bit of a backdoor
[11:49] <nalioth> LjL: you might as well leave it, he joins each day with that hostmask
[11:50] <LjL> nalioth: i left the hostmask exempt, i just removed the effie_jayx!*@* exempt, that one didn't sound too good in the long run
[11:52] <nalioth> huh?
[11:53] <nalioth> if the hostmask has the exempt, ANYone can join from that interface, or it'll be useless next time he logs in
[11:54] <LjL> nalioth, i'm not quite following you. yes, the hostmask exempt won't work when he rejoins, *if* the gateway gives him a different cloak - i don't know how that works, whether it's a hash of the originating IP or what
[11:54] <LjL> but then having effie_jayx!*@* means that anybody with that *nickname* can join
[11:58] <nalioth> then give him a +I
[11:58] <nalioth> actually . . .
[12:01] <LjL> nalioth: actually?
[12:03] <effie_jayx> :S
[12:03] <LjL> oh well i'll set the +I
[12:03] <effie_jayx> lesson learned .. don't use www.ircatwork.com :S
[12:04] <LjL> effie_jayx, if you have no alternative...
[12:04] <LjL> i have an exempt set for myself on a CGI::IRC gateway too
[12:04] <effie_jayx> at work... no :S
[12:04] <LjL> effie_jayx, not much difference, you'll find one or the other banned anyway
[12:04] <LjL> actually we used to have *all* of them banned
[12:05] <effie_jayx> thing is the university is pretty tough on ports and I am under a network... and the port I was using was blocked... infact they only leave out 8080 for internet ...
[12:06] <LjL> same at my university
[12:06] <LjL> web only
[12:06] <LjL> and through a proxy
[12:07] <PriceChild> I had that problem
[12:07] <PriceChild> So then I got in touch with the techy people that run the networks, and they taught me how to use ssh to tunnel out irc
[12:07] <LjL> PriceChild: that needs a machine at home with a public IP though, i suppose
[12:08] <PriceChild> LjL, We've got a thing called "The Tower" here... about a dozen machines clustered that anyone can ssh into :)
[12:08] <LjL> well not everybody has that you know ;)
[12:08] <LjL> i have a machine always running, but then i don't have an IP
[12:09] <effie_jayx> yeahh the @ubuntu.com kinda helps :D
[12:10] <PriceChild> I was amazed when I found out they were running ubuntu :)
[12:10] <LjL> "of course it runs ubuntu"
[12:10] <LjL> ah no wait that's another unix
[12:15] <effie_jayx> ok
[12:15] <effie_jayx> gotta go guys .. thnks for all the helo


[04:03] <alexandros_c> hello
[07:31] <x-Na> Hi, I am still waiting to hear anything helpfull with my problems with Gnome 3.8/3.10 in Ubuntu 13.10
[07:32] <x-Na> I constantly get the error messages stating that an error has occured after switching users, but it never creates anything that I could pass forward
[07:32] <x-Na> Apport asks to include possibly sensitive information and nvidia-bug report, but it never gets to the point where I could send anything
[07:32] <x-Na> Examine locally ends with segfault
[07:33] <x-Na> So any usefull tip on how to progress would be needed
[07:36] <x-Na> I am actually getting really frustrated as it seems that nobody really cares about multiple user setups
[07:58] <Noskcaj> x-Na, Try #ubuntu if you can't get help here
[08:07] <darkxst> x-Na, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:07] <darkxst> x-Na, we can't do anything without a full backtrace
[08:09] <darkxst> x-Na also paste ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session.log, after trying to switch users
[08:09] <ricotz> darkxst, hi :), please push the gdm changes to the trusty pocket as well
[08:10] <darkxst> ricotz, planning to push them into trusty
[08:10] <darkxst> need to test against g-s 3.8 first though
[08:10] <ricotz> alright
[08:11] <darkxst> ricotz, btw couldnt get the compat 9 stuff to work, does that work with cdbs?
[08:11] <darkxst> the debian docs seem to say its only for dh
[08:12] <darkxst> ^multi-arch
[08:14] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, dh only then
[08:16] <darkxst> ok


[19:49] <hggdh> @comment 79425 AGUStin/TESEO*/ceibal are back, 1d
[19:52] <el> lol nice
[20:08] <ceibal__> ho,a
[20:08] <dax> hi ceibal__
[23:23] <pragmaticenigma> Is logging being disabled or it a temporary situation?
[23:44] <Unit193> It feel out due to netsplits.
[23:47] <pragmaticenigma> okay, hopefully it comes back soon. I think it's been 24 hours
[23:47] <Unit193> Unfortunately, it may have fallen out of other places as well.
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> it's missing from a lot of channels right now
[23:50] <Unit193> I see it in quite a number still, which are you seeing without it?
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> #ubuntu is where I most frequently use the logs to catch up when I've been away
[23:51] <Unit193> You mentioned that, and that is one channel.
[23:51] <dax> heh, ubuntulog is in #ubuntu as ubuntulo1. i guess it needs kicking
[23:52] <Unit193> dax: It wasn't.
[23:52] <dax> oh
[23:52] <Unit193> The wonders of join_auto_chans_on_invite
[23:52] <dax> ...
[23:52] <dax> that seems unideal
[23:52] <dax> i mean i'm not gonna *tell* them about it, but still
[23:52] <dax> hopefully it just doesn't log channels it's not configured to log
[23:52] <Unit193> Seems ideal to me, you can't invite it to new channels, but if it falls out of configured ones you can get it back.
[23:53] <dax> oh, right
[23:53] <dax> sorry, i forgot about that quirk
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> well I'll leave the ops the sort it out. thanks for taking a look


[17:49] <Laibsch> rbasak: Can we please encourage the Christopher to stop his unhelpful, robot-like "triaging"?  Here is another example of the nonsense: bug 1395003
[17:49] <Laibsch> The information given is about as close to a patch as it gets.
[17:49] <Laibsch> yet, the penalv-bot runs his scrips to keep people busy needlessly
[17:56] <Laibsch> unrelated question: is it OK to set a bug that has a debdiff waiting for sponsorship from the sponsors team to "In progress"?
[17:56] <rbasak> Laibsch: I think it would be more appropriate to resolve this in private.
[17:56] <Laibsch> rbasak: impossible
[17:56] <Laibsch> I've tried many times before
[17:56] <Laibsch> quite many reporters have simply left, especially after dealing with his abuse in kernel bugs
[17:57] <rbasak> I would leave something in the sponsorship queue as Triaged in In Progress depending on whether someone's actively driving it or not, as opposed to queue status.
[17:58] <Laibsch> in the case of bug 1564778 I have prepared the debdiff and subscribed sponsors
[17:58] <Laibsch> I wonder if setting to "in progress" might make the sponsors assume somebody else is doing the sponsoring which I can not do
[18:07] <rbasak> I'm not sure.
[21:40] <Vej> Can someone please set bug #1657440 to Triaged and set the Importance? This bug contains sufficient information and had already been fixed Upstream. I would set the Importance to Medium because it "has a moderate impact on a core application".