[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdvi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <eagles0513875> !find xdvi
[10:31] <ubotu> Found: xdvik-ja
[10:31] <eagles0513875> !info xdvi
[10:31] <ubotu> Package xdvi does not exist in gutsy
[10:31] <eagles0513875> emuse: it doesnt exist in gutsy
[10:31] <contrast83> lg188: if you're not sure what someone means when they ask you a question, you might want to ask them to clarify rather than answer it like you do. :-)
[10:33] <contrast83> lg188: there should have been a file named readme or install included with it, which should guide you through which dependencies you'll need to install for it. if not, i'm not really sure.
[10:33] <emuse> eagles0513875: so how can i install xdvi,i am using latex-suite and need xdvi to display the result.
[10:34] <eagles0513875> emuse: use kile
[10:34] <eagles0513875> wait
[10:35] <eagles0513875> emuse: there is a package called kdvi
[10:35] <eagles0513875> !kdvi
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdvi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <eagles0513875> !info kdvi
[10:35] <ubotu> kdvi: dvi viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 523 kB, installed size 1144 kB
[10:35] <eagles0513875> emuse: does that work
[10:36] <emuse> eagles0513875: ok,i will try it
[10:36] <contrast83> lg188: find it?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> emuse: there is no other alternative i checked in adept thats the only thing that came up
[10:39] <emuse> eagles0513875: i find kdvi can support inverse search, but does it work well with vim?
[10:40] <eagles0513875> emuse: dunno i havent used latex in a while
[10:40] <eagles0513875> speaking of ur making me want to get back into using it
[10:40] <eagles0513875> emuse: what do u mean by inverse search
[10:41] <eagles0513875> does anyone use frostwire in here
[10:41] <emuse> eagles0513875: Inverse search is a very useful feature when you are writing a TeX document yourself. If everything is properly set up, you can click into KDVI's window with the middle mouse button (on some systems, when you don't have a three-button mouse, you can simultaneously use the left and the right button). After that, your favorite editor will open, load the TeX source file and jump to the proper paragraph.
[10:42] <emuse> eagles0513875: i find these from the help file of kdvi
[10:42] <eagles0513875> emuse: so kdvi does that
[10:42] <eagles0513875> !frostwire
[10:42] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:44] <eagles0513875> what other p2p clients r there besides amule which i hate and frostwire which doesnt wanna start for me
[10:44] <eagles0513875> !p2p
[10:44] <ubotu> Peer-to-peer filesharing clients are available for several networks/protocols, including !BitTorrent, !Gnutella, !eDonkey, !DirectConnect, !SoulSeek - Multi-protocol engines include !MLDonkey and !giFT - See wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information
[10:44] <eagles0513875> !edonkey
[10:44] <ubotu> eDonkey clients: aMule (GTK, stand-alone), mldonkey-gui (GTK, based on MLDonkey), KMLDonkey (KDE, based on MLDonkey) - See also !P2P
[10:45] <nathan1111> how do i tell if kubuntu is usin both processors? 64bit
[10:45] <emuse> eagles0513875: i use bttorrent only
[10:45] <eagles0513875> emuse: even for individual files
[10:45] <eagles0513875> whats the best bt program for kubuntu cuz right now im actually using a windows one on wine lol
[10:45] <eagles0513875> its so much faster than azureus
[10:47] <emuse> eagles0513875: i use ktorrent,transfer speed depond on the network
[10:47] <eagles0513875> i was able to download 3 audio albums in about 3 hrs yesterday using utorrent
[10:47] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[10:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:48] <eagles0513875> can someone tell me why i am getting this error with frost wire http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43105/
[10:48] <eagles0513875> im using all the latest java stuff
[10:48] <eagles0513875> java 6 jdk and jre
[10:48] <nathan1111> well i just downloaded about 5 movies (2007) within a couple of hours using stage6.com :D
[10:48] <contrast83> eagles0513875: is that supposed to be fast? :-)
[10:48] <TimS> eagles0513875: I use KTorrent or deluge
[10:48] <eagles0513875> contrast83: better than what i was getting with azureus
[10:49] <eagles0513875> u guys dont have any download limits like my isp does ovr here in europe
[10:49] <eagles0513875> 10gb a monthly download
[10:49] <TimS> I dont have a download limit, im in the UK
[10:49] <eagles0513875> lucky u
[10:49] <nathan1111> 10GB monthly?? lol how much u pay??
[10:49] <eagles0513875> in what currency
[10:49] <TimS> Get a decent ISP
[10:49] <eagles0513875> lol this is the only cable isp here on the island of malta
[10:49] <eagles0513875> anyone have an idea bout my frostwire issue
[10:50] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43105/
[10:50] <nathan1111> we have 40GB limit but uploads not counted.. right now im capped at 6KB/s for a week, australia blows
[10:50] <nathan1111> pay $100 a month for 40GB 8mbit :(
[10:50] <contrast83> eagles0513875: not sure, tbh. did you already consult Google?
[10:50] <emuse> im in china, no download limit
[10:50] <contrast83> eagles0513875: btw, nicotine's quite fast. the version in gutsy appears to be broken, but it's a breeze to compile it since it's python.
[10:51] <nathan1111> we have ADSL2+(getting installed in my exchange right now :P) ADSL1 / Bigpond Cable + optus cable /  all in my suburb
[10:51] <eagles0513875> contrast83: have not checked google i dunno where to go with frost wire issue
[10:52] <eagles0513875> in us where im from 5mb down bout 1.5up no limits what so ever bout 50 dollars a month
[10:52] <eagles0513875> reminding me of the us im missing that beast of a computer we got for my dad
[10:52] <nathan1111> 5MB/s down ?
[10:52] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:53] <eagles0513875> its the ideal dev machine
[10:53] <nathan1111> or 500KB/s down
[10:53] <contrast83> mB or mb?
[10:53] <eagles0513875> 5 megs down
[10:54] <contrast83> bits, right?
[10:54] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:54] <nathan1111> fark for $50usd no limit......... !!!!
[10:54] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:54] <nathan1111> puts my 40GB data limit to shame :|
[10:54] <contrast83> <- 8mb down $40/mo.
[10:54] <nathan1111> wat currency
[10:54] <jxxt> eagles0513875, will this help?  ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273145
[10:55] <contrast83> usd
[10:55] <eagles0513875> contrast83: who u with
[10:55] <eagles0513875> im with comcast
[10:55] <eagles0513875> jxxt: that doesnt really help
[10:55] <contrast83> att
[10:55] <eagles0513875> jxxt: im getting a java error
[10:56] <eagles0513875> contrast83: 40 bucks for dsl
[10:56] <contrast83> 8mb down dsl, yeah. ;-)
[10:56] <jxxt> eagles0513875, sorry I did not see the error I will search again
[10:56] <eagles0513875> with comcast and speed boost i can get to 12mbps down
[10:56] <eagles0513875> jxxt: u want to take a look at my pastbin
[10:56] <contrast83> eagles0513875: how'd you install frostwire?
[10:57] <eagles0513875> contrast83: from the frostwire site
[10:57] <eagles0513875> downloaded the deb then installed using command line
[10:57] <contrast83> with the .deb package, right?
[10:57] <eagles0513875> yep
[10:57] <contrast83> k, just checking
[10:57] <nathan1111> i got 800k down 386k up, 40GB data limit for $100AUD ($90USD about) am i getting ripped or what haha
[10:57] <nathan1111> 8000k ****
[10:57] <eagles0513875> jxxt: here is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43105/
[10:57] <eagles0513875> wtf u r getting ripped
[10:57] <eagles0513875> ripped badly
[10:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:58] <eagles0513875> i need to ship my desktop machine ovr here cuz i really need a dev machine for this os project of mine
[10:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:58] <eagles0513875> i got a random question for u guy
[10:59] <nathan1111> which guy>_>
[10:59] <eagles0513875> i have an old hp with a radeon 9800pro for some reason when i try to install kubuntu the video disappears and stops loading
[10:59] <eagles0513875> anyone lol
[10:59] <jxxt> eagles0513875, What about this then?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:00] <nathan1111> how long you let it sit for
[11:00] <eagles0513875> 30-45min
[11:00] <eagles0513875> i woudl rather use kubuntu then a pirated volume licensed version of winblows server 2k3
[11:00] <eagles0513875> enterprise
[11:00] <eagles0513875> jxxt: already looked there lol
[11:01] <contrast83> eagles0513875: did you try with the alternate cd?
[11:01] <nathan1111> i had to leave mine sit for a minute before the monitor came good again
[11:01] <nathan1111> cause it said 'no signal' >_<
[11:01] <eagles0513875> contrast83: no i didnt
[11:01] <eagles0513875> nathan1111: mine doesnt say that
[11:01] <contrast83> eagles0513875: give it a shot. that works for a lot of people when the live cd doesn't.
[11:01] <eagles0513875> contrast83: lol when i go back to the us for 2 weeks lol
[11:01] <contrast83> plus it's much faster.
[11:02] <eagles0513875> contrast83: do u still end up with a desktop and all that
[11:02] <jxxt> eagles0513875, Ok Mate just trying the obvious.. I have no real clues on java
[11:02] <contrast83> yeah, it installs the exact same stuff
[11:02] <eagles0513875> jxxt: kinda funny im learning java and have the latest java thats out there
[11:02] <eagles0513875> java 6 jdk and jre
[11:03] <contrast83> from bootup to the end of the human-interaction part, i'm done with the installation on the text-only cd in less than 5 minutes, and it's completely done in ~15 minutes after that.
[11:03] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:03] <eagles0513875> since im wanting to setup a server would it be better to install teh server version
[11:03] <eagles0513875> that seems to work fine with the radeon 9800 its only when i switch to the desktop version
[11:03] <eagles0513875> i dunno ill try the alt
[11:04] <contrast83> probably so. i would imagine the server version just includes LAMP and no desktop environment, so it should be easy to make either one do both jobs.
[11:05] <eagles0513875> im goign ot try the alt
[11:05] <eagles0513875> what would be good specs for a dev machine
[11:05] <eagles0513875> cuz i have a rather nice desktop that i could use that is also 64bit
[11:05] <eagles0513875> can take up to 8gb of ram
[11:05] <contrast83> i have no idea, tbh
[11:05] <contrast83> wow. i envy you.
[11:05] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:05] <rodrigo> hiii, someone can help me with assembly programming?
[11:06] <eagles0513875> its an athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz processor on an asus a8n sli premium mobo which can handel 4 sata drives and has the ability to raid those 4 to another 4 sata drives lol
[11:06] <eagles0513875> sli capable
[11:06] <eagles0513875> and
[11:06] <eagles0513875> this is the best part
[11:06] <contrast83> single core?
[11:06] <eagles0513875> if i can find an athlon fx or x2 socket 939 they can work with my borde as well
[11:07] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:07] <eagles0513875> its the exact same processor i have in this laptop
[11:07] <contrast83> i bet you get great battery life. :-P
[11:08] <contrast83> my laptop's got a 2ghz p4 and i get like, just over an hour on it.
[11:08] <eagles0513875> contrast83: with linux about almost 2 hrs
[11:08] <eagles0513875> winblows hr and a half
[11:08] <eagles0513875> that is if i turn my screen brightness down
[11:08] <eagles0513875> how do i fix this GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:08] <rodrigo> i have problem with my keyboard layout.
[11:08] <abs0lutek0ld> some people get all the cool gear..  all i have is a server that is the size of an endtable
[11:08] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: what kinda server
[11:09] <nathan1111> ya'll give me some ideas what i can do that doesn't involve the use of internet , in kubuntu (stupid net cap) else im head off sleep
[11:09] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:09] <eagles0513875> to get anythign installed u need the net all u can really do is work with what u already got installed
[11:09] <abs0lutek0ld> sun ultra 3000..  6gigs ram 6 400 mhz 64bit procs 10 9.1 gig hdds
[11:09] <contrast83> yeah. i was gonna suggest some games, but i guess that's out.
[11:10] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: thats kool
[11:10] <abs0lutek0ld> and heavy..
[11:10] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: that would make a sweet dev machine lol
[11:10] <eagles0513875> i have abotu 4 comps of my own lol
[11:10] <abs0lutek0ld> one day was planning to use it for a storage node in a cluster
[11:11] <eagles0513875> im really wanting to setup a cluster with the machiens i have
[11:11] <contrast83> i've got 3, plus one that's out of commission (dead power supply)
[11:11] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: did u use kubuntu to create the cluster
[11:11] <contrast83> how hard is it to set up a cluster?
[11:11] <eagles0513875> depends if u want the nodes to have diskless boot or not
[11:11] <eagles0513875> if diskless u need to configure dns dhcp tftp
[11:11] <contrast83> ahh, ok. way beyond my realm. :-P
[11:11] <abs0lutek0ld> also have about 6 sparc e450 with 2 gigs ram and quad 400 mhz procs
[11:12] <eagles0513875> and then sym link folders and what not i have a how to cuz at the college i was at back in the state we were working creating one
[11:12] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: u should join some boinc projects
[11:12] <eagles0513875> i need to pack up one of my machines and bring it ovr here as my dev machine
[11:12] <nathan1111> is it possible to make xchat minimize to tray ?
[11:12] <nathan1111> can't find it in options
[11:12] <eagles0513875> i dunno im using konversation
[11:12] <abs0lutek0ld> yeah i know but i dont really have the time
[11:12] <contrast83> just to make sure i understand, a cluster basically lets you use the power of multiple computers as if they were one, right?
[11:13] <abs0lutek0ld> give the man a prize
[11:13] <nathan1111> .
[11:13] <eagles0513875> yep
[11:13] <contrast83> heh
[11:13] <abs0lutek0ld> but clustering only works as well as the paraellization of the code written
[11:13] <eagles0513875> *puts on announcer voice* contrast u have one a brand new computer quad core amd machine and nice 22inch lcd monitor
[11:13] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: do u know much about java
[11:14]  * contrast83 wets his pants
[11:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:14] <abs0lutek0ld> i dont like it...  nothing really
[11:14] <eagles0513875> damn cuz i was wondering what it means when u say multithreaded programming
[11:15] <contrast83> abs0lutek0ld: what you said about parallelization of the code, that would go for multicore procs as well, right?
[11:15] <lg188> contrast83 still onlien
[11:15] <eagles0513875> contrast83: yep
[11:15] <abs0lutek0ld> yes
[11:15] <contrast83> lg188: make any progress?
[11:15] <lg188> contrast83 is a little adictet to westnoth
[11:15] <contrast83> ?
[11:15] <lg188> contrast83 nope
[11:15] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: u know much programming regardless of the language
[11:16] <lg188> i am adicitet to westnoth sryy^.^
[11:16] <abs0lutek0ld> that is what most developers seem to be going for as multi core units slowly take over the mainstream..  clustering is just the poor mans way of doing it
[11:16] <eagles0513875> rofl
[11:16] <contrast83> oh, heh.
[11:16] <lg188> what was the Q ?
[11:16] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: i dont think so clusters will still be around but just increasing the power
[11:17] <contrast83> or if you're a rich man, you could cluster several comps with multicore procs, right?
[11:17] <eagles0513875> contrast83: or if ur a rich man just buy a main frame
[11:17] <abs0lutek0ld> its just cheaper to go get four old machines and some gigabit nics than a brand new dual quad core system
[11:17] <eagles0513875> true
[11:17] <lg188> contrast83 i cnt install it and it is verry not funny
[11:18] <eagles0513875> i have an old amd 900mhz machien a p4 1.7 a p4 2.6 and a 2ghz amd
[11:18] <contrast83> lg188: i dunno, man. any reason in particular you're still on dapper?
[11:18] <eagles0513875> the 2.6 i over clock get it to 3.1 and the 2ghz amd ive gotten up to 2.9
[11:18] <eagles0513875> contrast83: i think he likes the old school look
[11:18] <lg188> contrast83 i got it from a friend i dont care
[11:18] <abs0lutek0ld> whats that smell.  ahh burning electronics..  a geek never forgets
[11:19] <contrast83> if he wanted to upgrade to gutsy, he'd have to do dapper->edgy->feisty->gutsy, right?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> contrast83: ya
[11:19] <contrast83> yuck.
[11:20] <abs0lutek0ld> or go burn fiesty and to a reinstall
[11:20] <eagles0513875> could do that too
[11:20] <contrast83> right
[11:20] <eagles0513875> or just burn gutsy
[11:20] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:20]  * contrast83 assumed that's what he meant. ;-)
[11:20] <eagles0513875> any of u guys have any programming experience
[11:20] <eagles0513875> if u go from feisty its rather quite easy
[11:20] <abs0lutek0ld> well if you are going to do it the easy way
[11:20] <eagles0513875> took me lest time to get this thing upgraded the 2nd time
[11:21] <contrast83> i tried upgrading from feisty to gutsy on two seperate occasions and both of them failed.
[11:21] <abs0lutek0ld> anyone work with ftir multitouch displays
[11:21] <abs0lutek0ld> ?????
[11:21] <eagles0513875> how did u go about doing it
[11:21] <contrast83> eagles0513875: followed the directions on the site to a t
[11:21] <eagles0513875> u downloaded the updates
[11:21] <eagles0513875> enabled the repos
[11:21] <contrast83> yep
[11:22] <eagles0513875> then what i did was used source o matic to change the source.list to gutsy sources and used the cl to dist upgrade
[11:22] <contrast83> hmm... maybe i'll try that next time. seems that works better for a lot of people.
[11:22] <eagles0513875> worked fine for me
[11:23] <contrast83> my friend's girlfriend's box is still on feisty. i'll give it a shot when i fix hers up.
[11:23] <abs0lutek0ld> heh heh heh
[11:23] <eagles0513875> :) if u need help and im on holla at me
[11:23] <contrast83> will do, thanks
[11:23] <eagles0513875> no prob
[11:23] <eagles0513875> this was my first successful upgrade lol
[11:23] <contrast83> abs0lutek0ld: snickering at the sound of "fixing up her box"?
[11:23] <Surge_> Why is the DVD so big if it's only the alternate and desktop installs? It should be about 1.4GB not 3.6GB. What else is on the DVD?
[11:24] <eagles0513875> wow
[11:24] <eagles0513875> fix up her box lucky u
[11:24] <contrast83> lol
[11:24] <eagles0513875> time to take a stab at getting world of warcraft installed
[11:24] <abs0lutek0ld> or screw up her box..  these things are usually only a few keystrokes different
[11:24] <contrast83> hehe
[11:25] <eagles0513875> only problem i having is switching from one cd to the next it doesnt seem to find the next cd and auto launch it
[11:25] <eagles0513875> and continue the installation
[11:25] <abs0lutek0ld> "whoops" is not what you want to hear the person working on your computer to say
[11:25] <contrast83> indeed
[11:25] <eagles0513875> any ideas guys
[11:26] <eagles0513875> or r we still on the topic of boxes and fixing and screewing
[11:26] <abs0lutek0ld> eagles running cedega
[11:26] <contrast83> eagles0513875: did you check its entry on winehq.org?
[11:26] <abs0lutek0ld> ???
[11:26] <eagles0513875> contrast83: what do i have to look for in the app db of wine
[11:26] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: using wine
[11:26] <contrast83> just the name of the game
[11:26] <eagles0513875> its on there
[11:27] <eagles0513875> ive gotten it to work on feisty
[11:27] <eagles0513875> only thing that suxs r the fps
[11:27] <eagles0513875> hopefully thats improved
[11:27] <abs0lutek0ld> not shure..  my luck has always been hit or miss.
[11:27] <abs0lutek0ld> been playing savage earth myself since they released the native linux verson free
[11:28] <eagles0513875> nice
[11:29] <contrast83> i'm hoping Orange Box will get a native linux version soon.
[11:29] <eagles0513875> wow did have one at one point but they got rid of it during beta testing i dunno y
[11:29] <abs0lutek0ld> would worship the gods of valve if hl went native to linux
[11:29] <contrast83> abs0lutek0ld: you heard about that job posting they had on their site, right?
[11:29] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: u use cedega or wine
[11:30] <abs0lutek0ld> yeah.  but it isn't native..
[11:30] <abs0lutek0ld> no contrast83
[11:30] <contrast83> abs0lutek0ld: they were looking for people to port their games to Linux
[11:30] <eagles0513875> im lucky i gave my resume to a guy who works for a software company and i think he is goign ot hire me after i graduate in 2011
[11:30] <contrast83> i'd imagine HL would be one of them
[11:30] <eagles0513875> im working on a bsc in Computing and information systems
[11:31] <abs0lutek0ld> would love to be on the project but i just started going back to school and have the programming skill of a limabean
[11:31] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: im teh same
[11:31] <eagles0513875> im a noob when it comes to java
[11:31] <eagles0513875> its one of the classes i have to take for my degree
[11:32] <abs0lutek0ld> ditto though i am more interested in c and python
[11:32] <contrast83> ^ +1
[11:33] <contrast83> i want to get just a bit firmer a grasp on bash before i move onto anything more involved than that though.
[11:33] <abs0lutek0ld> but that is still a long way off for me..  not many of the creds transfer from what i was studying so i am back to zip
[11:33] <abs0lutek0ld> ^+1
[11:33] <contrast83> heh
[11:34] <abs0lutek0ld> and my hobbies are the kind of time intensive ones that leave me little time for things like sleeping
[11:34] <contrast83> speaking of which, i think i'm gonna go finish this script i've been working on. good chatting, y'all.
[11:34] <abs0lutek0ld> latter
[11:35] <eagles0513875> contrast83: what kinda script
[11:35] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: google dive into python
[11:35] <eagles0513875> free online book
[11:36] <contrast83> a git script for compiz. trying to make one that does some extra stuff the 325235 other ones out there don't do though. :-)
[11:36] <heiner> did anybody get compiz working with nVidia graphics card for the amd64 architecture?
[11:36] <contrast83> byte size python is a good start for python also. a little more introductory than diveintopython, i think.
[11:37] <contrast83> heiner: did you try compiling it?
[11:37] <heiner> no
[11:37] <abs0lutek0ld> right now i'm trying to build a ftir multitouch display.. bouncing ir light around capuring it with a webcam and then projecting my display against it.  large touchscreen monitor yay
[11:37] <heiner> debian "unstable" distribution
[11:37] <contrast83> heiner: you might need to go that route
[11:37] <abs0lutek0ld> will have to check it out
[11:38] <contrast83> heiner: doesn't same have amd64 debs for compiz?
[11:38] <contrast83> s/same/shame
[11:38] <heiner> contrast83: yes, there are packages, but once I get to "compiz --replace &" my window decorations vanish, and that's it :-(
[11:39] <heiner> contrast83: "shame"?
[11:41] <contrast83> shame maintains a 3rd party debian repo for compiz
[11:41] <contrast83> but it sounds like that might not help you.
[11:41] <contrast83> heiner: did you already ask in #compiz-fusion?
[11:42] <heiner> contrast83: I was not aware of that channel. I'll try it, thanks!
[11:42] <contrast83> np
[11:43] <abs0lutek0ld> Does anyone have a clue why sound in k is being pissy. system sounds are fine but sometimes if i am watching something on youtube or playing a game the sound comes back whisper quiet. and then comes back unexpectedly.
[11:43] <abs0lutek0ld> how would i find out what is hijacking alsa
[11:44] <contrast83> maybe try keeping an eye on top while it happens?
[11:44] <contrast83> or is it too inconsistent for that?
[11:45] <abs0lutek0ld> usually i dont see anything different on top..
[11:45] <contrast83> hmm
[11:47] <abs0lutek0ld> firefox will be hogging resources for whatever and nothings else is burnning anything special..  then a minute later its like k goes "oh shit you needed that oh sorry. whatever was i thinking" and my ears start bleeding because i had the amplified volume all the way up
[11:47] <Locke> I has a problem. Could I have some help with restarting/resetting the internet connection?
[11:47] <contrast83> lol
[11:48] <contrast83> Locke: wireless?
[11:48] <Locke> Nope
[11:48] <eagles0513875> what does it take to program in 64bit
[11:48] <abs0lutek0ld> kahonies
[11:48] <contrast83> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:48] <contrast83> Locke: that should do it
[11:49] <kass> The htaccess is disabled on my apache, I worked hard to enable it but I couldn't ! :(
[11:49] <kass> anyone can help ?
[11:50] <Locke> Doesn't seem to work. Due to my ISP I get frequent disconnects. In windows I just had to repiar the connection to get it working again
[11:50] <eagles0513875> Locke: what kinda card is it
[11:51] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: whats so different from 32bit programming
[11:51] <Locke> built-in
[11:51] <eagles0513875> Locke: do lscpi and it lists all ur devices and one of thsoe will be ur wireless
[11:51] <eagles0513875> mines built in too but that doesnt say much
[11:52] <eagles0513875> my exact model is a bcm4306
[11:53] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: what bout programming in 64bit takes balls
[11:53] <abs0lutek0ld> i honestly dont know.  just was being silly..  it would probably have to do with the increased bandwith i know programming in 64 does eat up more memory
[11:53] <contrast83> eagles0513875: it's not a wireless card
[11:53] <eagles0513875> contrast83: oh
[11:54] <eagles0513875> abs0lutek0ld: it might eat up more memory but its alot faster then 32bit
[11:54] <lg188> i kiledf a programm in the bar downside and i have no bar no more !!!!
[11:55] <lg188> te bar disapears
[11:55] <lg188> any body knows a solution ?
[11:55] <abs0lutek0ld> i know that it was a problem back in the day when a few select arch's went 64 because of memory constraints back in the day but today there shouldn't be any reason not to. (is why the memory banks on my sparcs are 16 slots!!!!!!!!)
[11:57] <heiner> eagles0513875: programming for 64-bit in the easiest case only requires the right compiler ;-)
[11:57] <lg188> hello
[11:57] <lg188> i aksed somthing
[11:57] <eagles0513875> heiner: r there any in kubuntu
[11:57] <eagles0513875> !64bit
[11:57] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[11:58] <contrast83> !patience | lg188
[11:58] <ubotu> lg188: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:59] <lg188> contrast83 srry i dont lik to wait i such ac situation m srry ^.^
[11:59] <contrast83> i don't think anybody does. ;-)
[12:00] <contrast83> lg188: could you rephrase your question? i'm not sure what you mean.
[12:01] <pabligeno> hi
[12:01] <lg188> i killed a programme with that skull i klicked on kate (i think) in my bar a the bottom of screen and my bar disapears
[12:01] <pag> lg188, alt+f2 -> kicker
[12:02] <lg188> pag i can not use alt+f2
[12:02] <pabligeno> mmmmmm
[12:02] <pabligeno> i
[12:02] <pabligeno> i need other interface terminal
[12:02] <pabligeno> differ of konsole
[12:02] <jpatrick> pabligeno: yakuake
[12:02] <pabligeno> can help me please?
[12:02] <pag> lg188, hmm... alt+space? yakuake?
[12:03] <pag> pabligeno, yakuake rocks :)
[12:03] <pabligeno> :D
[12:03] <lg188> katapult
[12:03] <contrast83> alt+space -> exec kicker
[12:03] <pabligeno> and vativer terms?
[12:03] <pabligeno> and native terms?
[12:03] <lg188> tried
[12:03] <pag> !info yakuake | pabligeno
[12:03] <ubotu> pabligeno: yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[12:03] <lg188> nope nothing find ding like that
[12:04] <funcrush> what is 'Queue Track' in desktop-dolphin?
[12:04] <pabligeno> mmmmmmm
[12:04] <contrast83> lg188: sounds like you borked your settings, maybe. you might log out and bak in to make sure. if it still happens after that, try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc and then logging out/in again
[12:04] <jpatrick> funcrush: probably for amarok
[12:05] <contrast83> lg188: just so you know, deleting that file will reset the panel to how it was by default
[12:05] <funcrush> jpatrick: ah... thanks!!
[12:05] <lg188> contrast83 with alt-space i can run qounceere
[12:06] <lg188> or kopnsole
[12:06] <contrast83> ?
[12:07] <lg188> qouncerer and konsole
[12:07] <contrast83> lg188: is english your native language?
[12:08] <lg188> contrast83 nope
[12:08] <contrast83> what is?
[12:09] <eagles0513875> are there any 64bit compilers for kubuntu
[12:09] <lg188> delet that file
[12:09] <RurouniJones> French or Flemish is my bet.
[12:10] <RurouniJones> Since he is in Belgium.
[12:10] <lg188> contrast83 my native language?
[12:10] <contrast83> right
[12:10] <lg188> RurouniJones flemish
[12:10] <contrast83> hmm
[12:10] <RurouniJones> Dutch
[12:10] <RurouniJones> forthe channel language
[12:10] <lg188> RurouniJones how knowing my cuntry ?
[12:11] <RurouniJones> Ik been in belgie gebooren
[12:11] <RurouniJones> But I am English
[12:11] <contrast83> i don't know the tip for dutch
[12:11] <lg188> RurouniJones hehe
[12:11] <RurouniJones> try nl
[12:11] <RurouniJones> the country code
[12:11] <lg188> ?
[12:11] <jpatrick> !nl | lg188
[12:11] <ubotu> lg188: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[12:11] <RurouniJones> Groovy
[12:11] <lg188> jpatrick just wont to it myslef
[12:12] <lg188> but they are not  doing anything
[12:12] <lg188> here more people taht in the other
[12:13] <eagles0513875> !pastbin
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[12:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:13] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: why am i getting this error with frost wire http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43111/
[12:14] <lg188> jhow to log of
[12:14] <lg188> ? ithout the k menue ?
[12:14] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: I don't know everything ;)
[12:14] <lg188> bey
[12:14] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i was just asking hoping that u might
[12:14] <contrast83> lg188: right-click the desktop? if that doesn't work, ctrl+alt+backspace (that's always a last resort ;-) )
[12:14] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: maybe wrong java?
[12:14] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: its funny how im getting that error cuz i have the java6 jdk and jre
[12:15] <RurouniJones> heh
[12:15] <RurouniJones> I think he managed to logoff...
[12:15] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: hmm, I know next to nothing about Java
[12:15] <jpatrick> contrast83: that was evil
[12:15] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: if u look under the java vm its saying something about the libc6 could that be the cause of the error
[12:15] <eagles0513875> lol having him reset his x
[12:16] <contrast83> jpatrick: ? he wanted to know how to log out.
[12:16] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:16] <contrast83> he didn't have kicker
[12:16] <jpatrick> and he's back, wb lg188
[12:16] <eagles0513875> i need a dev machine cuz this laptop is no where close to being a good dev machine
[12:16] <lg188> jpatrick ty^.^
[12:20] <lg188> sombody knows a soure editor ?
[12:21] <lg188> for games
[12:21] <heiner> vi?
[12:22] <alagaesia> witam
[12:22] <jpatrick> kate?
[12:22] <heiner> just kidding
[12:22] <jxxt> has anyone managed to get a ati mobility radeon 9000 better tha 140fps for glxgears???
[12:22] <jxxt> than
[12:23] <lg188> yes but with a auto scripting thing that hiligths bugs
[12:24] <lg188> witam ?
[12:24] <lg188> some polishe thing
[12:24] <lg188> jpatrick kate is ther an debug mode for games ?
[12:24] <RurouniJones> lg188: Which language? C++, Java?
[12:25] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:25] <lg188> i think c++
[12:25] <eagles0513875> lg188: for java u have to use eclipse which is a fully fledged java ide
[12:25]  * contrast83 hides
[12:25] <eagles0513875> this is getting really frustrating
[12:25] <lg188> eagles0513875 kk your doing wierd
[12:25] <eagles0513875> lg188: ?
[12:25] <RurouniJones> Eclipse can also do c++
[12:25] <eagles0513875> wine just has me frustrated
[12:25] <eagles0513875> really
[12:26] <lg188> eagles0513875 your ahhh... thing is wierd wat is furstrating ?
[12:26] <lg188> eagles0513875 wien ??
[12:26] <lg188> wine*
[12:26] <eagles0513875> i have my seconding wow cd in there and they its not continuing the installation
[12:26] <j_raphaa> eclipse can do c++
[12:26] <RurouniJones> eagles0513875: #winehq if you need wine help.
[12:26] <eagles0513875> RurouniJones: they r just a bunch of aholes
[12:26] <eagles0513875> they just told me to go to the faq
[12:27] <eagles0513875> which didnt help at all
[12:27] <RurouniJones> Then phrase the question like "blah blah blah, I have read the faq at * but can't find anything"
[12:27] <lg188> eagles0513875 kk it looks like its your first tilme you get angry
[12:27] <jpatrick> !language | eagles0513875
[12:27] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:27] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i truncated that lol
[12:28] <jpatrick> yeah, but, imagine your niece was here
[12:28] <eagles0513875> oh
[12:28] <lg188> eagles0513875 put a smile on your face here please
[12:28] <eagles0513875> true
[12:28] <eagles0513875> it is on but at same time frustrating when u wanna install something and dealing wiht java that u havent been taught in class yet lol
[12:28] <eagles0513875> like how to program applets while trying to figure out why wine wont continue installing
[12:29] <eagles0513875> and the wine room being dead isnt helping the situation
[12:29] <lg188> kk
[12:34] <lg188> it qiut now
[12:38] <lg188> "it's o so quiet it's o so still" björk -it's o so still
[12:38] <lg188> 10mniuets nothing to say :(
[12:39] <lg188> cheerup
[12:39] <jpatrick> silence is golden
[12:39] <lg188> are you talking in some sort àf private srevr that i dont know about ???
[12:40] <jpatrick> but that's not the case with my laptop fan
[12:40] <lg188> of*
[12:40] <lg188> ^.^
[12:41] <lg188> whein i hve to bee always the  .....(lost the word)
[12:41] <lg188> have*
[12:43] <lg188> i hav to leav you all tonight for 1month i thnik i have no wlan or internet in my chamebre
[12:43] <lg188> sso i vant talk to you for almost a month
[12:45] <lg188> thank you for ho helped me for your help and time and patience becaus i dint always have that patienve like you have
[12:45] <lg188> but now i have to leave for a to long time
[12:45] <jpatrick> cya later lg188
[12:46] <lg188> jpatrick ty =)
[12:53] <z1pp3r> My audigy2 card worked in 7.04 kubuntu, but in ubuntu 7.10 i'm having problems. It seems to detect both my onboard soundcard and my audigy, but i hear no sound from my audigy? How to enable it?
[12:55] <TheKing> what is the command to unlock adept manager's process?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[12:56] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:56] <TheKing> thank u
[12:57] <BluesKaj> yeer welcome
[12:57] <Locke> Hi, I'm wondering if there's a command in linux for, like, "repair network" or something?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Locke, there is a "manual configuration" option in network manager
[12:58] <Locke> I get disconnected on aregular basis due to my isp. Would be nice with a command to "regain network" activity without having to reboot
[12:59] <Locke> BluesKaj: Will check.
[13:00] <Locke> BluesKaj: Manual config for what?
[13:00] <z1pp3r> Locke: you connected through a wired ethernet connection?
[13:00] <Hamra> hi all, i changed some of my windows partitions last night, and now grub wont boot, i guess maybe because the partition numbers changed, how can i fix this?
[13:00] <Locke> z1pp3r: yes.
[13:01] <z1pp3r> Locke: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[13:01] <z1pp3r> should work
[13:01] <Locke> brb then, will try
[13:01] <z1pp3r> replace eth0 with the name of your network card
[13:01] <z1pp3r> found in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:02] <Locke> aha
[13:02] <Hamra> is there a way to reinstall grub? im a complete novice in bootloaders
[13:02] <z1pp3r> Hamra: search the ubuntu wiki for "recover grub"
[13:02] <z1pp3r> !recoveringGrub
[13:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[13:03] <Hamra> thnx a lot
[13:03] <z1pp3r> np
[13:03] <Locke> "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured.  :S
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hamra, it will restore both Windows MBR and Grub if need be
[13:22] <oem> ciao
[13:24] <timri> shi
[13:24] <timri> hi
[13:24] <jpatrick> !hello | timri
[13:24] <ubotu> timri: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:25] <donsdw> How do I determine the filesystem of an unmounted partition?
[13:25] <jpatrick> donsdw: tried using qtparted?
[13:25] <Jucato> "fdisk -l" perhaps
[13:28] <donsdw> jpatrick: No, is that a linux command or someone's software?
[13:29] <jpatrick> donsdw: it's in the repos (apt-get install qtparted)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> jpatrick, system settings/advanced/disk&file systems
[13:30] <BluesKaj> if you just want a look
[13:30] <donsdw> jpatrick: You know, I think I did look at it once.  Is it a gnome app?
[13:30] <jpatrick> no QTparted ;)
[13:31] <timri> donsdw: you are confused with GTparted
[13:32] <timri> Since my move from Dapper to Gutsy my konqueror wont browse into tar/bzip etc archives anymore. Nor do the archives show up in the treeview. Anyone know how to repair that? (by the way: I removed Ark)
[13:32] <donsdw> timri: You may be correct, sir.
[13:33] <donsdw> I'm installing qtparted now.
[13:35] <timri> Or, as a more general question: how to I re-associate mimetypes/extensions/whatever with the proper kioslave
[13:35] <emilsedgh> timri: you should have Ark...
[13:35] <emilsedgh> timri: go to Settings->Configure konqueror->File Associations
[13:35] <timri> emilsedgh: I uninstalled it, cant stand it. And anyway, I have never needed it, since konqueror (without Ark) could drill into the archives just fine
[13:35] <donsdw> jpatrick: Thanks.  qtparted has the info I need.
[13:36] <timri> emilsedgh: File Assocs wont let me associate with kioslaves (at least I dont see how to do it)
[13:36] <emilsedgh> timri: no, i think konqueror needs ark to show archives inside itself, lemme see
[13:36] <timri> emilsedgh: That was certainly not neccesary in Dapper days.
[13:36] <emilsedgh> timri: you should choose 'Embeeded Viewer' instead of 'Seperate Viewer' in top of the window
[13:36] <aleale2> hi
[13:37] <aleale2> I have a problem
[13:37] <aleale2> I have a process that starts to eat all my cpu
[13:37] <timri> emilsedgh: Will try that, one minute
[13:37] <aleale2> but neither top and ksystemguard shows it
[13:37] <drag0> ps aux
[13:37] <aleale2> I'm sure that eats cpu because a them eof superkaramba shows 100% cpu eating and the fun is always on
[13:37] <vincent_> I just tried compiz fusion on kubuntu gutsy. no icons appear on ccsm. all defau;t plugin settings just seem wierd to begin with... is that normal?
[13:37] <aleale2> how can I do?
[13:38] <funcrush> what mean "queue track" in amork?
[13:38] <timri> emilsedgh: x-tar was already set to embedded, sadly
[13:38] <emilsedgh> timri: i have ark but no embeeded viewer, so let me search a little
[13:38] <aleale2> is there a way to show this hidden process that eats all my cpu?
[13:38] <timri> emilsedgh: That would be great, thanks
[13:39] <anton_> My amarok won't start...any good command to force it or something?
[13:39] <timri> emilsedgh: Btw: I CAN browse into the archives if I (manually) prepend the path with the correct protocol (tar:/)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> funcrush, it means put track in the active playlist
[13:40] <funcrush> BluesKaj, thanks so much!!
[13:40] <emilsedgh> timri: dunno, cant find anything :(, but i think there is a missing .dektop file somewhere or something like that, because konqueror can do that, but do not knows itself
[13:41] <timri> emilsedgh: yeah, that was what I was afraid of. teaches me a lesson: never fresh install while keeping /home :)
[13:42] <emilsedgh> timri: hm, i did a fresh install without keeping home, i havent it to, so maybe feisty+ fault (im on feisty)
[13:42] <timri> emilsedgh: Newly created users have the same problem on gutsy
[13:42] <timri> emilsedgh: Do you see the archives konquerors treeview?
[13:43] <emilsedgh> timri: so maybe its the fault of newer versions of ubuntu or kde
[13:43] <emilsedgh> no
[13:44] <timri> emilsedgh: Thats what I am starting to think. Iam gonne diff the dapper and gutsy skeleton settings this evening, perhaps I can find the culprit that way
[13:44] <emilsedgh> so if you found something, please send a patch or fill a bug report to devs :)
[13:44] <timri> emilsedgh: Will do, and thanks for your time.
[13:45] <emilsedgh> np timri
[13:45] <ubuntu_user> could someone please tell me how to change from using kdm to gdm?
[13:46] <hoscheee> hi all
[13:48] <toby> When I mount a newly formatted hard disk via a USB-IDE converter I see a directory called lost+found. What is this?
[13:50] <vbgunz> does Kubuntu have a font browser?
[13:51] <MarcC> I upgraded to Gutsy last week and haven't had any upgrades available from Adept since. Is that normal?
[13:51] <toby> vbgunz: Point Konqueror at a fonts directory.
[13:51] <toby> vbgunz: It does thumbnails for them.
[13:52] <toby> vbgunz: If you type ttf into the address bar, locate will show you where they are all kept.
[13:53] <llutz> toby: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html
[13:54] <benpicco> Hi, i installed the fglrx driver for my X1950, but i can't get direct rendering working - here is my xorg.conf, any ideas what to change?
[13:54] <benpicco> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/18886
[13:56] <vbgunz> toby: thanks, konqueror insist though on searching google for ttf. I enabled locate in web shortcuts, not sure what the problem is. I may go to console with locate if I cannot get it to work :)
[13:56] <foxhound31> its a question about symbolic links from MY documents to home/keith/desktop
[13:56] <foxhound31> linux doesnt seem to recognise my documents as one directory
[13:56] <timri> MarcC: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn
[13:56] <foxhound31> which makes it a little difficult
[13:57] <Bugzilla> anybody speak russian?
[13:57] <foxhound31> any advice on how I should do this?
[13:57] <bazhang> !ru
[13:57] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[13:57] <timri> vbgunz: web shortcuts-> default search engine
[13:57] <vbgunz> I get something with locate:\ttf
[13:57] <vbgunz> actually nothing
[13:57] <vbgunz> heh, maybe a wildcard
[13:58] <MarcC> thanks timri...I just did apt-get upgrade and I got the compiz thing...I guess I'm concerned that the Adept tray icon isn't working right.
[13:58] <vbgunz> timri: I got something with locate:\*.ttf
[13:59] <toby> llutz: Thanks.
[14:00] <vbgunz> I don't get previews though. I changed my default view mode from detailed to a bunch of others. I do not see previews :/
[14:00] <foxhound31> does linux recognis directories like MY Documents or do they have to be my.documents?
[14:01] <vbgunz> foxhound31: it'll recognize anything
[14:01] <foxhound31> yeah then thats more confusing
[14:01] <toby> vbgunz: In Konqueror, you have view/previews in the menu... everything enabled?
[14:01] <vbgunz> foxhound31: but linux is case sensitive so MY DOCs is different from my docs OR My Docs
[14:01] <vbgunz> toby: checking
[14:02] <foxhound31> yeah remember that now from university
[14:02] <timri> foxhound31: Linux even lets you put question marks etc in filenames
[14:02] <vbgunz> toby: if I hover I get a preview
[14:02] <foxhound31> the symbolic link seems to think that My Documents is 2 directories
[14:02] <vbgunz> toby: e.g., I do not have view > preview
[14:03] <foxhound31> can I enclose it in quotes or something to get around that?
[14:03] <llutz> foxhound31: My\ Documents    or "My Documents"
[14:03] <foxhound31> ok cool
[14:03] <timri> foxhound31: Or use the tab key in konsole
[14:03] <toby> vbgunz: Set view mode toIcon view.
[14:04] <vbgunz> toby: yeah I tried that. I just see big icons of ttf... no preview though... maybe my preview settings are interfering here, I'll check for them
[14:04] <foxhound31> and just to be sure I do ln source target
[14:04] <foxhound31> or is ln -s target source?
[14:05] <timri> foxhound31: Open konqueror, type #ln in the location bar (# opens the manpage)
[14:05] <foxhound31> ok thanks
[14:05] <vbgunz> toby: I enabled previews
[14:05] <vbgunz> on fonts files that is :)
[14:05] <vbgunz> toby: it looks good, thank you for your help :)
[14:07] <livingdaylight> how come kubuntu took 1/2 hr longer than Ubuntu?
[14:08] <livingdaylight> since kde is soooooo konfigurable... can i have the workspaces in a single row instead of a square?
[14:09] <timri> livingdaylight: make your taskbar less tall
[14:09] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: you're going to be asking a ton of questions like that. experiment. yes
[14:09] <llutz> livingdaylight: settings rows 1
[14:09] <vbgunz> :)
[14:09] <livingdaylight> yes, i'm new to kde and kubuntu... i want to make it look as nice possible
[14:09] <timri> vbgunz: :)
[14:10] <livingdaylight> vbgunz: do you get alot of people ask alot of questions like that?
[14:10] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: I asked a lot of questions like that :)
[14:11] <vbgunz> after a while, you'll get it :)
[14:12] <livingdaylight> vbgunz: maybe you can help me then... i probably have alot of questions like you did
[14:12] <foxhound31> just back to say thank you for the help I got it to work
[14:12] <foxhound31> bye for now
[14:12] <timri> foxhound31: cool, cya
[14:12] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: do you know about kcontrol?
[14:12] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: thats probably the heart and center blood of KDE configurations
[14:13] <livingdaylight> vbgunz: no... i just see 'K's' everywhere... its disturbing
[14:13] <timri> vbgunz: And it got shoved to the background by Kubuntu in favor of ksystemsettings brrrr
[14:13] <livingdaylight> where is K Kontrol?
[14:14] <timri> livingdaylight: alt+F2 kcontrol
[14:14] <vbgunz> timri: imho, that is retared... instead of making modules that'll fit right into kcontrol, they duplicated the effort... I can only imagine how much wasted time went into that :(
[14:15] <timri> vbgunz: I concur, and instead of what the usability folks say, it is a LOT harder to use for my parents (switched to kcontrol their computers)
[14:15] <vbgunz> heh, I remember that being one of the first things I did. i changed the shortcut to point to kcontrol
[14:16] <timri> vbgunz: Same here. I also removed dolphin (or d3lphin as it is apparently called)
[14:16] <MarcC> how can I view where my HD partitions are mounted to (/dev/sda, etc)?
[14:16] <timri> MarcC: kinfocenter
[14:16] <MarcC> thanks timri
[14:16] <vbgunz> I used Ubuntu for a long time. then tried PC-BSD. PC-BSD came with KDE and after a lot of experimenting it got me hooked to KDE. when I switched to Kubuntu, I could not find kcontrol in the menus. I got burnt. I eventually found it and paid my homage to the great app :)
[14:17] <livingdaylight> llutz: settings rows 1? can you tell me where?
[14:17] <timri> vbgunz: (whispers) I prefer the non-fouled up version of debian
[14:18] <llutz> livingdaylight: rightclick on switcher-applet, settings ->
[14:18] <vbgunz> timri: I am considering that. dolpin is freaking scary. I mean, if over time, more and more apps are swapped out for simpler ones. Gnome just might end up the more configurable OS out of the box :(
[14:18]  * vbgunz shutters
[14:18] <leonardo> ciao
[14:18] <leonardo> italia
[14:19] <bazhang> !it
[14:19] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:19] <livingdaylight> llutz: switcher-applet?
[14:19]  * timri has to go to
[14:19] <llutz> workspace-switcher
[14:20] <livingdaylight> llutz: when i right click on it i don't get settings?
[14:20] <llutz> livingdaylight: if you move the mouse over it, you should see a small arrow appearing. rightclick there
[14:20] <livingdaylight> llutz: i get configre desktop
[14:22] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: right click the virtual desktop applet -> pager options
[14:24] <livingdaylight> vbgunz: where is virtual desktop applet?
[14:24] <vbgunz> it is called pager
[14:24] <livingdaylight> llutz: i don't get any arrow
[14:24] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: to get the arrow on the left of any applet, you'll need to unlock your panels
[14:25] <livingdaylight> vbgunz: pager options... yes, thx
[14:25] <vbgunz> they might not show depending on your settings, but a grippy should be on the left of every applet
[14:25] <Jester45> can you add something to a shortcut to have the window open in the upperright hand corner of my screen with it having no boarders and is on top of all the other windows?
[14:25] <livingdaylight> now how can i make panel single row?
[14:26] <vbgunz> livingdaylight: right click it -> pager options
[14:26] <vbgunz> take your time
[14:26] <vbgunz> :)
[14:27] <vbgunz> Jester45: kcontrol > Desktop > Window-Specific Settings
[14:28] <vbgunz> Jester45: or Alt+F3 on the Window, Advanced > Special * and save the settings there
[14:28] <vbgunz> gotta go, have fun!
[14:31] <zarath> Hi, klipper seems to remember by default everything that is selected. Is there a way to make it remember only what I manually decide to copy?
[14:34] <Jester45> thanks
[14:34] <ardchoille> zarath: yes, right click on clipper.. choose "configure klipper", check "ignore selection"
[14:35] <livingdaylight> i click on pager option and want to remove numbers of window switcher but they're still there?
[14:37] <zarath> ardchoille, duh! it was there all along! stupid me. thanks for that :)
[14:38] <ardchoille> zarath: yw :)
[14:46] <resakse> hi..anyone know how to share a ntfs partition using samba? keep getting permission denied in log files...I remember on gnome fiesty, I dont have that problem
[14:46] <resakse> i can share directory in my home folder, no problem..
[14:48] <livingdaylight> anyone know any howto's to beautify kubuntu?
[14:48] <livingdaylight> i'm not happy with my default look here at all
[14:49] <resakse> livingdaylight: check kde-look.org
[14:49] <livingdaylight> nothing kubuntu specific?
[14:49] <Dragnslcr> !themes
[14:49] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[14:50] <resakse> anyone know how to fix my problem?
[14:51] <livingdaylight> Dragthat's all for Ubuntu
[14:52] <MarcC> is it possible to run KDE4 alongside 3.5.8?
[14:52] <Dragnslcr> livingdaylight- Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE as the default instead of Gnome
[14:52] <Jucato> MarcC: currently? yes.
[14:52] <ardchoille> MarcC: See the topic
[14:52] <MarcC> Does KDE4 require compositing?
[14:53] <Jucato> not unless you want kwin effects
[14:53] <Dragnslcr> livingdaylight- and I would assume that kde-look.org and kubuntu-art.org have KDE themes
[14:53] <Jucato> er.. if you want kwin effects I mean
[14:53] <MarcC> ok, so plasmoids should work OK without compositing?
[14:53] <MarcC> I want to do some theming work
[14:53] <MarcC> but I don't want to break my desktop :D
[14:53] <Jucato> hm...
[14:53] <resakse> anyone know how to share ntfs partition using samba?
[14:53] <Jucato> theming work this early on?
[14:53] <livingdaylight> can someone tell me how i can switch to a different menu?
[14:53] <MarcC> Jucato: just for the clock plasmoid :)
[14:53] <resakse> got permission denied in samba's log files
[14:54] <livingdaylight> !kbox?
[14:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbox? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:54] <Jucato> MarcC: heh. ok.. #plasma would be the lace to ask for guidance
[14:54] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: there's kbfx in the repos
[14:54] <MarcC> thanks Jucato
[14:54] <resakse> :(
[14:55] <livingdaylight> ardchoille: ok, i'll try that
[14:55] <Jucato> !changethemes | livingdaylight
[14:55] <ubotu> livingdaylight: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[14:56] <livingdaylight> Jucato: sanx
[14:57] <resakse> [2007/11/03 22:29:29, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(1003)
[14:57] <resakse>   '/media/hda5/Limewire' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [LIMEWIRE] Error was Permission denied
[14:57] <resakse> anyone can help me with this pls...
[14:57] <ardchoille> !patience | resakse
[14:57] <ubotu> resakse: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[14:58] <resakse> sorry
[14:59] <resakse> well...what good thing about kde4 ? cant find any video/screenshot about it
[14:59] <thomax_> hi, I'm trying to get a list with "ls" recursively, but only 2 directories deep, I can't seem to find it in the manual :/, I know I have to do "ls -R" but I can't find the missing statement to get it only to go 2 directories deep
[15:01] <livingdaylight> having isntalled kbfx how do i implement it?
[15:01] <jameswf-home> thomax_:  i think you want to use find
[15:01] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: It's a panel applet.. add the applet to the panel.
[15:01] <thomax_> jameswf-home: ok I'll try that
[15:02] <resakse> thomax_: or 'ls -R | more' then ctrl-c to break
[15:02] <jameswf-home> wow that would be painfull
[15:06] <m4rku5> hey guys I have some problems with my wlan card - it doesnt show up on lspci or lspcmcia :( (pcmcia module is loaded)
[15:06] <thomax_> jameswf-home, resakse: i'll try to explaint what I want to acomplish, I want a list of the directories (1st level) and their content (2nd level) and I want the output to be stored in a text file (I know how to do this) and I like the layout of the output of ls more than find's
[15:06] <Jucato> resakse: you can just press Q inside "more" instead of Ctrl+C
[15:06] <jameswf-home> tree
[15:07] <thomax_> jameswf-home: you mean tee?
[15:07] <resakse> Jucato: thanks man...never knew i could do that
[15:08] <Jucato> resakse: and you might want to use "less" instead of "more"... has more features afaik... "less is more than more"
[15:08] <Jucato> or "less is more" as the *nix joke goes
[15:09] <jameswf-home> no sudo apt-get install tree
[15:09] <resakse> thomax_: ls -R > filename.txt
[15:09] <thomax_> resakse: yeah I knew that ;-)
[15:10] <thomax_> my only problem is getting ls to go maximum to level 2 of subdirs
[15:10] <jameswf-home> tree -L 2 /path/to/dir > file
[15:10] <thomax_> jameswf-home: installing now, gonna try in a sec
[15:11] <m4rku5> I have a problem with my wlan card - it doesnt show up on lspci or lspcmcia :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43125/ << can you please look at that ?
[15:11] <jameswf-home> maybe -R -L 2
[15:12] <hdevalence> is there a thing like filelight but that shows how much ram each program is using?
[15:12] <thomax_> jameswf-home: thanx m8, exactly what I needed, '-R' seems not to be nessecary
[15:12] <Daisuke_Ido> htop maybe?
[15:13] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, not quite
[15:13] <snikker> how can i paly .3gp files with audio? with mplayer i can see only the video. can you help me?
[15:14] <Shapeshifter> After installing kubuntu I'm left with a {initramfs} promt after rebooting. I've read about it in the forums but there was no solution that worked for me, what should I do?
[15:14] <jameswf-home> snikker: vlc
[15:14] <snikker> jameswf-home: same thing :-(
[15:14] <jameswf-home> i dunno my phone plays 3gp :)
[15:15] <resakse> snikker: install realplayer
[15:15] <snikker> resakse: ok, i'll try with it. thanks
[15:16] <livingdaylight> i wonder if its possible so that when i switch to a different workspace the panel is empty and not cluttered with everything that was/is in the previous workspace; afterall, that is part of the reason for switching right?
[15:16] <TheKing> How do I multiboot Windows and Kubuntu 7.04?
[15:17] <Jucato> livingdaylight: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options -> uncheck "Show windows on all desktops"
[15:17] <Shapeshifter> How can I get rid of the vista bootloader and use grub again? I tried reinstalling grub on (hd0) (find..., root (hd3,0), setup (hd0) but there's still no grub showing up but that same old vista bootloader.
[15:17] <livingdaylight> Jucato: sweet
[15:17] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: Which windows version?
[15:17] <TheKing> Windows XP
[15:17] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: have you got windows installed already? or kubuntu?
[15:17] <TheKing> kubuntu
[15:18] <Jucato> !dualboot
[15:18] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[15:18] <resakse> !samba
[15:18] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[15:18] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: Yeah, look at those guides, I think the easiest way for you is to isntall XP, then boot from the kubuntu live cd and reinstall grub
[15:19] <TheKing> ah ok
[15:19] <joel> Hi!
[15:19] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: it's easy, don't worry, else just come back here
[15:20] <TheKing> if i do that, will the GRUB menu load or will XP boot directly into it?
[15:20] <ardchoille> TheKing: If you reinstall grub, the grub menu should load
[15:21] <TheKing> Will there be a Windows option in GRUB?
[15:21] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: After installing XP grub will be gone, so you boot the live cd and reinstall grub
[15:21] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: I can give you a link on how to reinstall grub
[15:21] <TheKing> please do
[15:21] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: I was just about to ask for that
[15:22] <jester> hey, so im using feisty and adept doesnt want to allow me to update to gutsy. any ideas?
[15:23] <Shapeshifter> TheKing, ardchoille : http://pastebin.ca/759811
[15:23] <newsense07> anyone know how i can add something to every filename in a dir at once with one command ?
[15:23] <TheKing> thanks
[15:24] <Jucato> newsense07: if you want a GUI app, you can try kfilereplace
[15:24] <newsense07> have 17 directories i need to do this for with multiple files
[15:24] <newsense07> Jucato: in prefer commandline if ya know of something
[15:24] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: ty
[15:24] <Shapeshifter> TheKing, ardchoille: Important thing is to use the right partition, I said (hd2,0) as an example, you will most likely get something else.
[15:24] <m4rku5> newsense07: you could write a bash script
[15:24] <livingdaylight> on window switcher i click pager options and untick or try to untick Desktop number, but the numbers are still there?
[15:24] <jester> newsense07, i agree with Jucato  on this one...
[15:24] <simisa> Hi everybody, somebody know wich kind of software is similar to symantec pcanywhere ?
[15:24] <TheKing> see i have only 1 hard drive, will it still work?
[15:24] <Jucato> newsense07: unfortunately.... nope... needs bash magic
[15:25] <newsense07> yeah i got no time i guess ill try that, thanks jucato
[15:25]  * Jucato tries to practice bash-fu...
[15:25] <TheKing> with proper partitioning
[15:25] <m4rku5> newsense07: bash wouldnt be that long like for FILES in $(ls /dir) do mv ${FILES} ${FILES}bla done
[15:26] <simisa> Hi everybody, somebody know wich kind of software is similar to symantec pcanywhere ?
[15:26] <livingdaylight> can someone tell me how i disable konqueror as default browser?
[15:26] <bazhang> simisa: what does that do?
[15:26] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: yes, for grub, the first, and in your case only disk will bi 0, and the partitions, if you have two, will be 0 and 1. So if you have two partitions, first kubuntu, then XP, you will have to use >root (hd0,0) which is the partition kubuntu is installed.
[15:26] <simisa> remote connection to another pc with symantec pcanywhere protocol
[15:26] <livingdaylight> is it possible to purge konqueor or is it part of kubuntu default setup?
[15:26] <newsense07> yeah than id have to modify it evertime i , wait maybe that aint as time consuming
[15:27] <TheKing> ok
[15:27] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: Make sure you use primary partitions for both kubuntu and XP, that will safe you some trouble
[15:27] <TheKing> ok
[15:27] <TheKing> so my steps are:
[15:27] <TheKing> 1) Install XP first
[15:27] <TheKing> 2) Load Live CD and install to HDD
[15:27] <m4rku5> newsense07: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43127/ << take that as a starting point and repalce <tab> with a real tab ;)
[15:27] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I think it's possible. but some parts of KDE might expect KOnqueror to be there. it's more than just a file manager or just a web browser... it's both :)
[15:27] <TheKing> 3) Reinstall GRUB
[15:27] <tuxwulf> livingdayight > I just did thatrecently
[15:28] <m4rku5> newsense07:  $1 and $2 and the 2 parameters
[15:28] <TheKing> right?
[15:28] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: do you have kubuntu installed already?
[15:28] <TheKing> yes i do
[15:28] <tuxwulf> living > as jucato says, better not completely -urge konqueror, but you can set up a different default browser
[15:28] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i  would be happy to make Dolphin the file manager and use opera for browsing or kazehasake even
[15:28] <livingdaylight> tuxwulf: sweet, lets do that already then
[15:28] <Jucato> dolphin...
[15:29]  * Jucato shudders
[15:29] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: have you done your partitioning already? or are you planning on wiping the whole drive (with your kubuntu) and seting everything up from zero?
[15:29] <livingdaylight> Jucato: heh?
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> amen, Jucato
[15:29] <newsense07> m4rku5: cool, been a while since i wrote any shell scripts and id like to start doing it more when i need to
[15:29] <posingaspopular> hey Jucato how was your date?
[15:29] <livingdaylight> what's wrong with Dolfin?
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> livingdaylight: have you actually *used* dolphin?
[15:29] <TheKing> Shapeshifter: from scratch
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> thunar is better.
[15:29] <Jucato> livingdaylight: specially the version of dolphin on Kubuntu 7.10... it's D3lphin.. and it's very... finicky to say the least
[15:29] <tuxwulf> living > system settings -- default applcations
[15:29] <livingdaylight> Daisuke_Ido: not really, i've got fresh kubuntu here first time
[15:30] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: well then it's really easy, just: 1) Wipe everything, 2) Install XP, 3) Install Kubuntu. Kubuntu will handle grub, and there will be a XP entry automatically
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[15:30] <TheKing> perfect
[15:30] <Jucato> livingdaylight: better try using D3lphin first before you make a decision :)
[15:30] <m4rku5> btw I still have a problem with my (damn) wlan card - it doesnt show up on lspci or lspcmcia :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43125/ << can you please look at that ? i mean it shows up when booting a knoppix CD :( (its some atheros chip with windows drivers only) so i must have done something wrong here :S
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> play with dolphin for a bit then decide
[15:30] <TheKing> well i will be back in maybe 40 mins to do this
[15:30] <Jucato> livingdaylight: and it's the default file manager in Kubuntu 7.10 anyway
[15:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato: why then is it part of default kubuntu install, Do i really need konqueror and dolphin file managers?
[15:30] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: good luck
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> you're better off with konqueror
[15:30] <TheKing> Yes, ill need it
[15:31] <m4rku5> Daisuke_Ido: i prefer konqueror too ;P
[15:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Konqueror is still there because it's the default web browser installed.
[15:31] <TheKing> total newbie
[15:31] <TheKing> here goes...
[15:31] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: wait
[15:31] <Daisuke_Ido> m4rku5: anyone that's touched d3lphin for any length of time over 10 seconds prefers konqueror
[15:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Do you really need konqueror and dolphin as file managers? why don't you try out first and find out for yourself. use if for a week and see
[15:31] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: speaking as someone who has used *buntu for years, d3lphin took too much getting used to and didn't have much of the functionality of konqueror, so I don't use it.
[15:32] <Daisuke_Ido> even nautilus is better :)
[15:32] <livingdaylight> ardchoille: coming from ubuntu i was very happy with nautilus
[15:32] <ardchoille> lol
[15:32] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: nah! D3lphin is better than Nautilus on at least 2 areas
[15:32] <m4rku5> Daisuke_Ido: yeah i saw it the first time when i installed kubuntu on this laptop (im usually a gentoo user but i didnt have lots of time to get this box setup lol)
[15:32] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: Nautilus is cool, d3lphin is.. just too much of a change all at once.
[15:32] <Daisuke_Ido> 1) it's kde and 2) it's not gnome?
[15:32] <livingdaylight> this seems like bloat again... i suppose that's kde though
[15:32] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: D3lphin is KDE, and it has a funky breadcrumb toolbar (unlike GNOME's)
[15:33] <Jucato> bloat is subjective
[15:33] <Jucato> one man's trash is another man's treasure
[15:33] <Shapeshifter> TheKing: you still there?
[15:33] <Daisuke_Ido> how does nautilus not have a breadcrumb toolbar?
[15:33] <ardchoille> Jucato: Exactly
[15:33] <Jucato> coming from GNOME, you'll consider everything functional as bloat! :)
[15:33]  * Jucato runs and hides
[15:33] <livingdaylight> where is Add/Remove Applications so i can add my non-free codecs n stuff?
[15:33] <Jucato> livingdaylight: K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs
[15:33] <livingdaylight> Jucato: har har
[15:33] <Jucato> it's right there
[15:34] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: the breadcrumb toolbar in d3lphin is much different than that of nautilus
[15:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: gots kbfx now
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> however, i think the being able to click on the 'crumbs' and select a different directory at that level is cool
[15:34] <Jucato> livingdaylight: your problem then :P
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> you may not like kbfx
[15:34] <Jucato> livingdaylight: j/k. just type in Add and see the results
[15:34] <ardchoille> lol
[15:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: had to... K Menu is toooo ugly.... just a fact
[15:34] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: yeah. that's my reason #2 :)
[15:34] <Jucato> beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> livingdaylight: then go for kickoff
[15:35] <Daisuke_Ido> or beerholder, as the case may be
[15:35] <Jucato> the most beautiful krap will still be krap though :)
[15:35] <livingdaylight> Jucato: sweet, that worked
[15:35] <Jucato> (not saying kbfx is krap.. but needs work)
[15:35]  * Daisuke_Ido sips a coffee
[15:35] <m4rku5> anyone here familar with PCMCIA cards ? anything special i need to do on (k)ubuntu ? its just now showing up the damn card and i know that the card is compatible with this controller :(
[15:35] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: I had too much trouble getting kickoff to work.
[15:35] <Jucato> ardchoille: really? poor you :P
[15:35] <Daisuke_Ido> install deb, all done :)
[15:35] <livingdaylight> Daisuke_Ido: kickoff another one?
[15:35] <Jucato> yeah :)
[15:35] <Jucato> livingdaylight: there are 3 K Menu alternatives: kbfx, kickoff (originally from SUSE), and tasty menu
[15:36] <Jucato> take your pick :)
[15:36] <Jucato> oh wait, livingdaylight, have you even tried Katapult yet?
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> livingdaylight: kickoff is to kbfx as excellent beer is to contaminated water
[15:36] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: tastymenu is pretty cool too
[15:36] <tuxwulf> ....bit too husy here for me...
[15:36] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: can you customize/theme/plugin kickoff (aside from adding/removing favorites)?
[15:36] <livingdaylight> Daisuke_Ido: oh... gotz to try it then... in repos?
[15:36] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hrmmm... so many options
[15:37] <bazhang> kbfx is nice
[15:37] <Jucato> tuxwulf: yeah.. there are times it does :)
[15:37]  * Jucato heres "bloat" comment coming again...
[15:37] <livingdaylight> bazhang: i agree.. kbfx certainly is preferable to K Menu imo
[15:37] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: tastymenu is not in the repos, but there is an ubuntu.deb for it
[15:37]  * livingdaylight wonders what tasty menu looks like
[15:37] <Jucato> unfortunately kbfx development has all but stopped... because of raptor...
[15:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: it's not infinitely customizable, but it's better than kbfx in stability :D
[15:37] <Jucato> livingdaylight: search in kde-apps.org and find out :)
[15:38] <livingdaylight> Jucato: raptor?
[15:38] <bazhang> Jucato: raptor will replace it?
[15:38] <Jucato> bazhang: not really
[15:38] <livingdaylight> is kickoff in repos?
[15:38] <bazhang> cheers.
[15:38] <Jucato> Raptor is the KDE4 "successor" of kbfx
[15:38] <bazhang> oho
[15:38] <Jucato> same devs
[15:38] <Shapeshifter> Eh... I downlaoded a 7.10 gutsy Kubuntu CD, installed it, and now I was updating some stuff and now it tells me that there's a new version "7.10" available... what is this? It's already installed!
[15:38] <Jucato> but completely different
[15:38] <Daisuke_Ido> hopefully less krappy
[15:39] <bazhang> nice
[15:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Shapeshifter: known bug, fix is upstream, yadda yadda
[15:39] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: hopefully also going to even reach beta soon :)
[15:39] <ardchoille> livingdaylight: Look at the download options here:  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[15:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: again, have you tried katapult?
[15:40] <livingdaylight> Jucato: whats katapult?
[15:40] <posingaspopular> livingdaylight: i left Jucato a message on his blog that simply read 'katapult' over and over again
[15:40] <Jucato> livingdaylight: katapult is a fancy launcher, like Quicksilver for Mac OS X.
[15:40] <Jucato> posingaspopular:  :)
[15:40] <Jucato> !katapult | livingdaylight
[15:40] <ubotu> livingdaylight: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[15:40] <ardchoille> Jucato: Why does konqueror try to open a .deb in kate instead of downloading it?
[15:40] <posingaspopular> alt+space+program name/musicfile/folder name etc
[15:41] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you can skip the part with Alt+F2
[15:41] <Jucato> livingdaylight: katapult is installed and running by default
[15:41] <Lenaud01> anyone know why my browser would still try to download .php files instead of view them? I have apache and php5_mod installed on kubuntu
[15:41] <Jucato> ardchoille: server bug. workaround, use kget :)
[15:41] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, thanks
[15:41] <Jucato> probably related to Lenaud01's problem as well....
[15:42] <Jucato> or not..
[15:42] <Lenaud01> what is Jucato?
[15:42] <Jucato> nvm :)
[15:43] <Jucato> livingdaylight: press Alt+Space right now, you'll get a fancy box. type a part of the name of a program you want to run, then when the correct program name or icon shows up, press Enter
[15:43] <Jucato> you don't even have to type the full name of the program. it will try to autocomplete based on the characters you've typed
[15:43] <Jucato> and now I'm gone :)
[15:44] <livingdaylight>  ok, i gotz some scrolling up and catching up to do... i was installing kubuntu restricted and the phone went its ALL too much! :D
[15:44] <navets_> if I upgrade to KDE 4, will it upgrade my kernel?
[15:44] <resakse>   my alt-space didnt do anything after loading katapult...maybe due to compiz?
[15:44] <navets_> beta that is
[15:44] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: KDE != kernel
[15:44] <Daisuke_Ido> so no
[15:44] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: how can I upgrade my kernel
[15:44] <Daisuke_Ido> the two have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other :)
[15:44] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: or reinstall it
[15:44] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: you running gutsy?
[15:45] <Jukali> hmmm...in Wind*ws it's called "Extended Desktop" in KDE it's called ...?
[15:45] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: yes I tried to update my sound drivers, now I have no sound at all and no mixer
[15:45] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not the kernel
[15:45] <Jukali> I think Gome is "Twinview"?
[15:45] <Jukali> Gnome*
[15:45] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: from what I could figure out I am missing snddevices
[15:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it would be twinview in kde as well...
[15:45] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: cat /dev/dsp
[15:45] <Jukali> cool - thanks for clarification
[15:45] <livingdaylight> Jucato: nice very nish!
[15:45] <Daisuke_Ido> that may not work
[15:45] <Jukali> probably Ktwinview tho :)
[15:46] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[15:46] <Jukali> j/k
[15:46] <Daisuke_Ido> it's part of X, not gnome
[15:46] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: cat: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[15:46] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[15:46] <Jukali> ok, so I have twinview working
[15:46] <Jukali> that took a while
[15:47] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: from what I understand I have to run the snddevices script. The thing is i have no idea where it is
[15:47] <Jukali> but I have a real niggle...when I go full screen it tries to go across both windows
[15:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Jukali: that's how twinview works.
[15:47] <Jukali> I got it working nce but it didnt retain the settings
[15:47] <Jukali> not in Windows and I have had it working correctly in Gnome, briefly
[15:47] <smorg> does adept's repository manager store its settings somewhere other than in /etc/apt/sources?
[15:47] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: lspci | grep audio
[15:47] <Jukali> when you maximise it maximises to the window it is in
[15:48] <Jukali> also the menus try to stretch across both screens
[15:48] <Jukali> so the bottom one actually drops off
[15:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Jukali: there's no twinview in windows, therefore it can't work that way in windows
[15:48] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: does not return anything when I do that
[15:48] <Daisuke_Ido> eww
[15:48] <smorg> weird
[15:48] <Daisuke_Ido> well them
[15:48] <Daisuke_Ido> let me take a look here...
[15:48] <smorg> added a package using adept and it doesn't show up
[15:48] <Jukali> In Windows that's how "extended desktop" works it is also how I have had it working in Gnome
[15:49] <Daisuke_Ido> smorg: /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:49] <ozehka> Firefox can't be closed properly. When I try to restart it, it says another firefox process is still running...
[15:49] <smorg> yeah
[15:49] <Daisuke_Ido> is your sources list
[15:49] <smorg> yep
[15:49] <Jukali> @ozehka is it in your list of running processes?
[15:49] <ozehka> Yes, I can kill it of course
[15:49] <Lenaud01> there anything you can do if when I try to remove apache it says that its a broken install and wont do anything in adept
[15:49] <Daisuke_Ido>  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[15:49] <ozehka> but why can't i close it properly
[15:49] <Daisuke_Ido> is where the packages get stored
[15:50] <Jukali> does it happen every time?
[15:50] <ozehka> Also, I am having the problem that pages would only show their contents if I change the windows' size
[15:50] <ozehka> yes
[15:50] <Jukali> is it built in Firefix or latest build?
[15:50] <ozehka> latest i think
[15:50] <Jukali> sorry
[15:50] <Daisuke_Ido> Lenaud01: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:50] <Jukali> that wasn't clear
[15:50] <newsense07> Jucato: im trying to append 01-  to all files in a dir using kfilereplace but im having no luck,  how would i do something like that if ya dont mind ?
[15:50] <Lenaud01> ty Daisuke_Ido
[15:50] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: do you think that it has something to do with snddevices since lspci | grep audio does not return anything?
[15:51] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: i don't know enough about sound to know for sure
[15:51] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: do you know where I could run that script? A few forums said to run it, but i have no idea where it is.
[15:51] <Lenaud01> when i try that Daisuke_Ido I get this E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: i'm not finding it...
[15:52] <Rebelyouth> hi guys
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> Lenaud01: that could be an issue that i'm not sure how to fix :\
[15:52] <Rebelyouth> i need ah help
[15:52] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: damn, is there a way I can redo the gutsy upgrade?
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure adept isn't running
[15:53] <Lenaud01> its not
[15:53] <navets_> Daisuke_Ido: when i went from fiesty to gutsy the sound worked (very poorly)
[15:53] <Rebelyouth> how I can conf the open with menu on konq?
[15:53] <hdevalence> virtualbox is awesome
[15:53] <Daisuke_Ido> navets_: you could back up your /home and reinstall from scratch
[15:53] <BluesKaj> navets_, you could try ,'sudo asoundconf list'
[15:53] <Daisuke_Ido> probably have the best luck that way
[15:53] <livingdaylight> !kickoff
[15:53] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[15:53] <Rebelyouth> pls :(
[15:54] <livingdaylight> guys, where do i get kickoff?
[15:54] <navets_> BluesKaj: that says names of abaliable sound cards: then it returns nothing
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok, navets_ to choose which souncard you want to use , sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[15:55] <Rebelyouth> nobody?
[15:55] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: i think he means it doesn't return any available sound cards
[15:55] <Daisuke_Ido> in which case, there's a definite problem
[15:55] <BluesKaj> bummer
[15:55] <navets_> BluesKaj: yes it does not return any
[15:55] <navets_> this sucks
[15:56] <navets_> i wish i didn't upgrade to gutsy
[15:56] <livingdaylight> if i already have konqueror or any browser open for that matter, how do i get each weburl to openin a new tab rather than a whole new browser altogether?
[15:56] <navets_> it broke everything
[15:56] <Rebelyouth> somebody know the file rc to conf?
[15:56] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: it's in koinqueror's configure module
[15:56] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: 1 min let me find it
[15:57] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: do configure konqueror>web behavior> tabbed browisng
[15:57] <livingdaylight> hdevalence: thx bro
[15:58] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: can u help me pls?
[15:58] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: ok
[15:58] <Rebelyouth> :)
[15:58] <Rebelyouth> how I can conf the open with menu on konq?
[15:59] <livingdaylight> hdevalence: actually it was already set to that... but from konversation everytime i open a link i get a new browser open... do i need to configure konversation?
[15:59] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: the one you get from rightclicking?
[15:59] <Rebelyouth> yes
[15:59] <newsense07> anyone here familiar with kfilereplace that can help me ?
[16:00] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: I have no idea. for me when I open a link in konversation it opens in the same window
[16:00] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: are they on the same desktop?
[16:00] <livingdaylight> hdevalence: yes
[16:00] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: weird...
[16:01] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: what happens when you do open with... and then do "remember application association"
[16:01] <livingdaylight> hdevalence: also weird is that when you type my name konversation doesn't light up red as it usually does when i'm away
[16:02] <BluesKaj> navets_, have you checked all your alsa and kmix settings ?
[16:02] <navets_> BluesKaj: kmix doesnt detect a mixer
[16:02] <navets_> BluesKaj: kmix doesnt detect a mixe
[16:02] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: You could try asking in the ubuntu forums, they have lots of talented people there
[16:02] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: I remove firefox for swithfox and now when i want to open a page with swithfox the links gone
[16:02] <navets_> BluesKaj: when i do alsamixer in konsol it gives me an error saying its not there
[16:03] <navets_> BluesKaj: i need to run an snddevices script or something like that, but i have no idea where it is
[16:03] <Rebelyouth> i need all the time to do open with > other > write swithfox
[16:03] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: like, you have an html file on your computer and are trying to open it?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> and of course sound system in system settings
[16:04] <livingdaylight> well, its kde related so, i dunno
[16:04] <hdevalence> oh and btw does anyone here know anything about virtualbox?
[16:04] <livingdaylight> where would i find kickoff by the way? hdevalence d'you know?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> navets_, try this : k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[16:05] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: no some page  don't work well so i right click on the open page on konq and with open with open firefox with the same page
[16:05] <navets_> BluesKaj: it already has those settings
[16:05] <hdevalence> livingdaylight: no idea.
[16:05] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: now i change with swithfox and the voice in the menu is dissapear
[16:06] <BluesKaj> which souncard do you have , navets_ ?
[16:06] <navets_> BluesKaj: intel hda
[16:06] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: does it appear in the Location menu
[16:06] <navets_> BluesKaj: i think
[16:06] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: no
[16:06] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: I have open with links2 and that it
[16:07] <hdevalence> Rebelyouth: not sure how to fix it, sorry..
[16:07] <navets_> BluesKaj: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[16:08] <Rebelyouth> hdevalence: I see all the browser installed in my pc have a voice in location and open with but why not swithfox?
[16:09] <Rebelyouth> nobody know what file I need to mod?
[16:10] <navets_> does anyone know where the kernel sourcetree is
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> if installed in /usr/src/linux i belive
[16:11] <Ange|us> hi
[16:11]  * asktoby is about to run a dist upgrade... fingers crossed!
[16:11] <Ange|us> can someone help me, im getting this error/notice when im trying to compile wine on kubuntu gutsy http://rafb.net/p/M1edOF24.html
[16:11] <asktoby> Any last minute warnings? I've done a backup of /home, /etc and my MySQL dbs.
[16:11] <asktoby> I'll be going via Adept's route.
[16:12] <ardchoille> asktoby: are you doing "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[16:12] <ardchoille> asktoby: nvm, you should be ok
[16:12] <asktoby> ardchoille: I was planning on pressing the big blue Version Upgrade button in Adept.
[16:13] <ardchoille> asktoby: ok
[16:13] <Rebelyouth> somebody know how can configure the bookmarks on konq to don't take all my screen?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> navets_, check this out : http://thio4linux.wordpress.com/2007/10/06/intel-hda-intel-corporation-82801g/
[16:13] <posingaspopular> Jucato: okay i got these core.numbers files in my /home/user folder and when I opened up uped using 'file core.18431' I got this message: core.14831: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style
[16:13] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: Sounds like you need to reorganise your biikmarks, use folders
[16:14] <posingaspopular> or anyone really that knows that answer
[16:14] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: I use but I have much bookmark
[16:14] <navets_> BluesKaj: :) that is what I was doing to fix my sound, but it broke it completly
[16:15] <BluesKaj> gawd
[16:15] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: Even the best organising skills won't help if you have too much content
[16:15] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: so when i click bookmarks a old style panel (like the old menu of win95)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> navets_, I assume lspci lists your card tho ?
[16:15] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: take all my screen
[16:16] <navets_> BluesKaj: yes
[16:16] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: reorganise to have folders within folders?
[16:16] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: is possible to have like firefox a single menu i can go up and down?
[16:16] <katha2> ?
[16:16] <fox1> hi
[16:16] <lillobyte91> salve
[16:16] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: With too much content, even a single menu would require you to scroll too much
[16:16] <BluesKaj> navets_, so it's a matter of installing the correct driver
[16:17] <lillobyte91> spik italian
[16:17] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: i show you
[16:17] <katha2> hmm
[16:17] <navets_> BluesKaj: no, I re-installed the drivers about 10 times, I found out I am missing OSS and MIXER
[16:17] <livingdaylight> does synaptic not feature in kubuntu anymore at all?
[16:17] <fox1> #ubuntu
[16:17] <navets_> BluesKaj: a script called snddevices is supose to be able to fix this, but i cannot find it
[16:18] <debian-is-me> hello
[16:19] <debian-is-me> WHen should alsa be started?
[16:19] <debian-is-me> 1234506s?
[16:19] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2304/bkmrlsuu1.jpg
[16:20] <BluesKaj> navets_, apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source
[16:20] <navets_> BluesKaj: k
[16:20] <navets_> BluesKaj: dling
[16:21] <navets_> BluesKaj: do i have to do anything when this is done?
[16:21] <carbon_monoxide> !alsa
[16:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:21] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: yes, but why i can't conf like firefox?
[16:21] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: to scroll the contest?
[16:21] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: Because konq isn't firefox?
[16:21] <navets_> BluesKaj: still no mixer, same error
[16:21] <navets_> BluesKaj: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[16:22] <bazhang> hi ardchoille
[16:22] <debian-is-me> Alsa isn't working, I configured it not to start. Hiow to make it start?
[16:22] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: :) I khow , but there is some pacth around or some hidden conf file?
[16:22] <crimsun_> keep in mind that alsa-source is older than using linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)
[16:22] <ardchoille> Rebelyouth: Not that I know of
[16:22] <ardchoille> bazhang: Hi :)
[16:23] <bazhang> join #ubuntu-doc?
[16:23] <Rebelyouth> ardchoille: so I can't scroll eh?
[16:25] <compu73rg33k> So I'm looking to install Kubuntu 7.10 on some new partitions I've created. I just encrypted them all first with cryptsetup, including swap, but left a 1GB partition unencrypted for /boot. I already made the filesystem for all the partitions as well, used ext3 except used swap of course for the swap partition. Now I've double clicked the "install" to start the graphical installer. I'm at the prepare partitions part and I'm not sur
[16:25] <compu73rg33k> e what to do now, how to use my already created partitions. If I assign mount points to them, I have to select a filesystem, and this ends up checking the "format" box, which is uncheckable thereafter
[16:25] <navets_> BluesKaj: this snddevices script is impossible to find
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some old tool. thats not used any more.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> compu73rg33k what do you mean by 'use' ? you can easially mount allready made partitions to Other 'non system' places and not format them.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> but the install will want to format / and swap and perhaos some other spots
[16:28] <navets_> I think i got the snddevices script
[16:28] <navets_> how do I run it
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> You dont normally install 'over' your old / and so forth
[16:28] <Shapeshifter> How can I have two taskbars for my dual screen setup, one for each screen, which only displays the applications currently on that screen?
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> chmod +x ./snddevics  ./snddevces
[16:28] <timri> Rebelyouth: You could use the panel instead (F9)
[16:28] <Shapeshifter> I have already enabled twinview and the restricted drivers
[16:29] <navets_> Dr_Willis: thank you
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> Shapeshifter not sure the kde  panels  applicaions panel. has that feature
[16:29] <Rebelyouth> timri: yessss
[16:29] <Rebelyouth> timri: d.. i forgot F9
[16:30] <Rebelyouth> timri:  I hope in kde4 somebody fix this problem
[16:30] <newsense07> anyone here familiar with kfilereplace ?
[16:30] <Rebelyouth> timri: tnx
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> Shapeshifter you may try the 'only show apps on current desktop' setting (i think)  Been ages  since ive explored the kde tools
[16:30] <compu73rg33k> Dr_Willis, yes, but I'm looking to do a fresh install on these encrypted partitions. I've partitioned so that I have a root, usr, home, and swap partition, all encrypted. I also have a 1GB unencrypted boot partition. I'm just wondering how to go about this grahpical installer to use these encrypted partitions b/c at hte partition manager, it doesn't have a filesystem attached to the partitiosn and if I give it one then it's going
[16:30] <compu73rg33k> to reformat it
[16:30] <timri> Rebelyouth: You're welcome
[16:30] <Rebelyouth> timri: i can remove the bookmark menu?
[16:30] <compu73rg33k> I just want it to USE the partitions, not do any partitioning for me. heh.
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> compu73rg33k  they allredy got system data on them?
[16:31] <compu73rg33k> Nope, fresh install Dr_Willis
[16:31] <|dthacker|> hi channel, I finally got around to updating my desktop, and the kubuntu installer is not finding any disks at step 4 of 6.  Seems to be a bit lost.  Any tips?
[16:31] <timri> Rebelyouth: Iam not sure (anyway, that should be done by editing some rc file
[16:31] <Rebelyouth> timri: mmmhhh
[16:31] <timri> Rebelyouth: I useually browse without menu (Ctrl+M)
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> So its asking to format  'empty' partitions. :) I though the instller could set up encrypted filesstems. Ive never used that feature  - so not sure what things to watch out for,
[16:32] <Shapeshifter> Dr_Willis: Thanks, I found that option, it worked
[16:32] <z1pp3r> I have a Logitech MX518 mouse, but i cannot use all of it's buttons in kubuntu 7.10. Anyone know of a guide i could follow?
[16:32] <timri> Dr_Willis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemsInstaller
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> encrypted filesystem for the truely paranoid.
[16:33] <livingdaylight> does compiz get installed by default in kubuntu?
[16:33] <Dr_Willis>  The easy way would be to let the installer format/encrypt/set them up. :)
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> livingdaylight No.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> !compiz
[16:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:33] <ardchoille> Dr_Willis:  I've never understood encrypted file systems.
[16:34] <RLoggia> whats the command to make a backup of your xserver-xorg conf?
[16:34] <ubuntu_> hi
[16:34] <timri> ardchoille: You mean the usefulness ? If so, you evidently haven't got your laptop stolen yet.
[16:34] <compu73rg33k> Well it doesn't look like the kubuntu 7.10 has encryption built in
[16:34] <ardchoille> RLoggia: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[16:35] <compu73rg33k> unlike the ubuntu 7.10, at least I heard it has that
[16:35] <ubuntu_> 've got kubuntu 7.10 but there isn't compiz-fusion... why?
[16:35] <ardchoille> timri: Well, if it's something I don't want the world to see, I don't put it on my computer :)
[16:35] <cloakable> !compiz | ubuntu_
[16:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:36] <timri> ardchoille: And your emails, account passwords etc ?
[16:36] <ubuntu_> tx
[16:36] <RLoggia> nevermind i got it
[16:36] <livingdaylight> Dr_Willis: that suits me as my computer doesn't support 3D and therefore compiz, but with ubuntu it was installed nonetheless even though xrender must have detected my system
[16:36] <compu73rg33k> !EncryptedFilesystemsInstaller | ubuntu_
[16:36] <Shapeshifter> cloakable: that guide is with feisty repos
[16:36] <cloakable> Ah :)
[16:36] <Nyle> I have 2.6.22 on and I have the bcm43xx_injection_2.6.22.patch applied to the source file bcm43xx_main.c.  The online resource says compile the modules with make modules and make modules_install.  I was wondering, is there a way to generate the .ko file for JUST the patched bcm43xx and not everything?
[16:36] <RLoggia> anyone using ATI graphics?
[16:37] <ardchoille> timri: emails you can't control, the email server itself can be hacked.. account passwords should be memorised.
[16:37] <compu73rg33k> So there's no way of bypassing the partitioner setup on the graphical installer?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> RLoggia, what's yer question about ati ?
[16:39] <k5ubuntu> i need help installing java on kubuntu 7.10 can somebody guide me threw it
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> k5ubuntu i normally install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package. It included java
[16:40] <timri> k5ubuntu: aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[16:41] <timri> k5ubuntu: It is in multiverse repo btw
[16:41] <k5ubuntu> whats a console command that unlocks my konsole
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> Huh?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> RLoggia, trouble with connection too as well as ati ?
[16:41] <k5ubuntu> its says a program is locking up my adept manager
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> Thats not locking the console. :) close out any other package manager tools you got running
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> and then if it still says its locked.
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> !fixadept
[16:41] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:42] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[16:42] <k5ubuntu> thank you dr willis
[16:43] <z1pp3r> I have a Logitech MX518 mouse, but i cannot use all of it's buttons in kubuntu 7.10. Anyone know of a guide i could follow?
[16:43] <asfak> why does adept download duplicate files.? I never had such problem in previous version.
[16:46] <RLoggia> i swear linux hates me /sigh
[16:47] <llutz> RLoggia: Linux is user-friendly, it's just a little picky, who his friends really are" :))
[16:47] <RLoggia> why is it booting me from server ??
[16:47] <asfak> whenever i try to install any application either from konsole, synaptic manager or adept (in my both pc), alongwith a package, similar file get started downloading but stops when earliest file reaches 100%. Is that a bug ?
[16:47] <RLoggia> damnit
[16:48] <OuZo> hi, i have a ATI radeon X700, when i click to enable the restricted driver then restart i dont get anything on my display, i have to do a rescue to get X back
[16:48] <timri> asfak:No, it downloads simultaniously
[16:48] <OuZo> is that normal?
[16:48] <BigPick> Good morning all :)
[16:48] <Jucato> posingaspopular: oops sorry... you seem to need me whenever I'm not here :(
[16:48] <Jucato> posingaspopular: I have no idea what those are either :(
[16:49] <carbon_monoxide> hello
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> OuZo given how much a hassle ATI can be.. sadly - it often is.. HOWEVER.. ati released new linux drivers after gutsy was released.. so they are looking better.
[16:49] <asfak> it been 2 year i have been using kubuntu but never had such problem
[16:49] <RLoggia> hmmm
[16:49] <k5ubuntu> its saysThere was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> OuZo i dont use any ati cards any more. So i dont know what fix's are needed for their newer cards
[16:49] <OuZo> thanks Dr_Willis
[16:49] <RLoggia> BluesKaj: you have 3D rendering working on 7.10?
[16:49] <TheKing> To those people who helped me with the multibooting, it worked
[16:50] <k5ubuntu> Dr_Willis
[16:50] <posingaspopular> Jucato: apparntly they are crash reports for core dumps that dev use
[16:50] <posingaspopular> i deleted them
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, the new recommended driver doesn't work all that well with lower end onboard graphics , most ppl with X200 cards ahave to revert to the restricted driver for 3D and DRI
[16:50] <k5ubuntu> when i try to install the restricted package set it says There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[16:50] <Jucato> posingaspopular: ah ok :)
[16:50] <RLoggia> this is rediculas
[16:50] <OuZo> Dr_Willis: i had it working in 64bit gentoo... i thought (k)ubuntu would be easire, could it have something to do with acpi?
[16:51] <posingaspopular> i just deleted them, they aren't exciting or very intersting
[16:51] <BluesKaj> RLoggia, sort of , not a sgood I'd like...google earth is slow and clunky , but it works on my X200G card
[16:51] <k5ubuntu> can anybody help me when ever i try to install something it says There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[16:51] <Jucato> posingaspopular: or useful :)
[16:52] <BluesKaj> did you get that RLoggia?
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> OuZo  Its just some of the quirks with ati drivers from what i gather.  May be some easy fix. But I dont mess with ati any more.. and proberly wont for a long time
[16:52] <BluesKaj> did you get that RLoggia?
[16:53] <|dthacker|> hi, trying to debug install problems.   Should I be able to see the hard drive from the live CD?
[16:53] <posingaspopular> well im not a hardcore dev, so no ;) notyet
[16:53] <k5ubuntu> yes
[16:53] <timri> k5ubuntu: get out of adept and run aptitude from a konsole, gives more info
[16:54] <k5ubuntu> how do i run aptitude
[16:54] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install <package name> or sudo aptitude install <package name>
[16:54] <carbon_monoxide> just type "sudo aptitude install"
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> k5ubuntu its a terminal command, similer to 'apt-get'
[16:54] <Jucato> (replace <package name> with the package name, without the < >""
[16:54] <Jucato> in Konsole of course
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> |dthacker| 'see' with sudo fdisk -l   - Should work. :)
[16:55] <timri> k5ubuntu: Alt+F2 konsole
[16:55] <carbon_monoxide> I have read some posts sayting aptitude was recommended upon apt-get
[16:55] <Dr_Willis> |dthacker| they may not be mounted by default - so you wont 'see' them in the gui
[16:55] <Jucato> timri: or K Menu -> System -> Konsole, or Alt+Space, "Kons" :)
[16:56] <timri> Jucato: Yeah, but I have modified the &%^&% out of my system, and cant remember de defaults :)
[16:56] <Jucato> :P
[16:56] <|dthacker|> Dr_Willis: live cd doesn't see it with sudo fdisk -l, which may be why installer doesn't detect it.   This is a working SuSE 10 install that I'm trying to Kubuntize.
[16:56] <|dthacker|> SuSE says it's /dev/hda
[16:57] <Jucato> |dthacker|: fdisk sees everything
[16:57] <Downix> Hello from Kubuntu-on-SPARC.  I'm trying to get it set up atm.
[16:57] <Jucato> or should...
[16:57] <carbon_monoxide> hey buddies! which do you use? "apt-get" or "aptitude"? and why?
[16:57] <timri> carbon_monoxide: aptitude, better dep handling
[16:58] <timri> carbon_monoxide: and dep resolver
[16:58] <|dthacker|> Jucato: I wish! ;) maybe time for the alternate install CD
[16:58] <Downix> I use apt-get out of familiarity
[16:58] <carbon_monoxide> timri: *wink*
[16:58] <Downix> been running Debian since '97
[16:59] <timri> Downix: debian is my favorite distro
[16:59] <carbon_monoxide> I like Debian too
[16:59] <Downix> timri: I have debian on my other SPARC box.
[16:59] <posingaspopular> apt-get because it's easiest to run
[16:59] <Downix> It's a 32-bit SPARC vs this SPARC64
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> ive had aptitude do some really... odd things. befor
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:00] <Jucato> apt-* depending on the purpose. aptitude -R install for most installations
[17:00] <carbon_monoxide> does aptitude make any trouble? I use it like apt-get
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> like remove 300 packages.. then reinstall them
[17:00] <Downix> that reminds me, I need to get this box to auto-dhcp
[17:00] <Downix> having to enter it manually is ok, but a bit annoying
[17:01] <|dthacker|> goes to burn an alternate install CD
[17:01] <timri> Dr_Willis: That was a looong time ago, right?
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> timri a few mo ago. :)
[17:01] <timri> Downix: Tried the new project indiana yet?
[17:01] <timri> Dr_Willis: WHoa, thats strange, never happened to me.
[17:02] <ackbahr> Hi there! I'm in an early stage of my system's setup, and my USB drive won't automount.... Can somebody help?
[17:02] <Downix> timri:  yes, but the guys in #solaris have been less than friendly.    I have a Sys V on a Commodore Amiga.  8)
[17:03] <carbon_monoxide> but some articles on the internet is saying that "aptitude" and "apt-get" is making no different on installing and removing dependency packages
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> aptitude rembers things and makes removing packages easier - I hear...
[17:03] <timri> Downix: get of my lawn!
[17:03] <Downix> hehe
[17:03] <Jucato> carbon_monoxide: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[17:03] <carbon_monoxide> starting from Edgy
[17:03] <timri> Dr_Willis: Yep, but dont press - on the installed section :)
[17:03] <Downix> Commodore had the first SysV OS, never forget.  AMIX, running on the Amiga 3000.  8)
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> I used Minix on my A500
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:04] <Downix> Random Trivia Man strikes again
[17:04] <timri> carbon_monoxide: afaik apt-get does not have a ui a la aptitude, nor a dep resolver
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> aptitudes 'ui' is a little... odd :)
[17:05] <Downix> but in any case, Indiana does look sweet.  I have it on the other HD for this machine here.
[17:05] <|dthacker|> hehe, that's an understatement.
[17:05] <timri> Downix: Trie to get the running on a vic20 and we'll talk
[17:05]  * Dr_Willis lives in Indiana :)
[17:05] <carbon_monoxide> Dr_Willis: this article is demonstrating 6.06 and earlier releases
[17:08] <Downix> timri: didn't someone do that once?
[17:08] <timri> Konqueror does not show the +/- signs next to folders when browsing samba shares mounted with fusesmb of smbnetfs, WHY?
[17:08] <Downix> Hmm
[17:08] <timri> Downix: Not that I know of, and it would be tough, I imagine
[17:08] <Downix> Something I've always wondered, could I use a non-OpenFirmware card in this machine...
[17:08] <Cobalt> Hi want to know if there is a way to listen to Yahoo radio stations from gutsy ?
[17:09] <timri> Cobalt: what site is that?
[17:10] <Cobalt> timri: music tab from yahoo.com
[17:11] <purpleposeidon> !virtualbox
[17:11] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[17:11] <timri> Cobalt: have a url? yahoo doesnt like my konqueror
[17:11] <timri> timri: and I am loath to install ff
[17:11] <Rebelyouth> !amarok
[17:11] <Cobalt> http://music.yahoo.com/launchcast/stations/default.asp
[17:11] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[17:11] <timri> sp?
[17:12] <Rebelyouth> old descrip
[17:13] <|dthacker|> how are factoids updated?
[17:13] <RLoggia> anyone know how to get frostwire?
[17:13] <carbon_monoxide> Finally, ALSA 1.0.15 is released.
[17:13] <llutz> RLoggia: sudo aptitude install frostwire
[17:14] <Jucato> !amarok | Rebelyouth
[17:14] <ubotu> Rebelyouth: Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.7 (1.4.3 for Dapper LTS). Packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[17:15] <Rebelyouth> Jucato: why ubotu give me an old desc?
[17:15] <Jucato> I Just updated it right now
[17:15] <Rebelyouth> :)
[17:15] <Rebelyouth> ^_^
[17:15] <|dthacker|> How are factoids update = Jucato
[17:15] <Jucato> bot editors update them
[17:15] <Downix> Anyways, yay, have a SPARC I can develop with
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> lets see
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> !kde
[17:16] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> good
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> !kde4
[17:16] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> ahhh
[17:16] <Rebelyouth> is beta 4 now
[17:16] <Downix> this box still impresses me.  Missing DMA on the hard drive it still blows away my sons Pentium 3, despite surrendering half of the Mhz of the P3
[17:17] <Jucato> Rebelyouth: Kubuntu doesn't have beta4 packages yet. so that's still true
[17:17] <Rebelyouth> oh yeah  is for debiana n opensuse
[17:17] <Rebelyouth> you right
[17:17] <eljefe_> eeh, the Launchpad bug reporter is broken
[17:17] <|dthacker|> no bugs for you!
[17:17] <timri> Cobalt: yahoo radio doesnt work for me either
[17:18] <eljefe_> OOPS-672D998 is my error or something, but i have to be a subscribver to a mailing list to let anyone know  :(*
[17:18] <KalEl> eljefe_, you mean the bug reporting system itself is broken??
[17:18] <FisherPrice> !kwin
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <Rebelyouth> how i can share the XV on various player open?
[17:19] <eljefe_> yes the bug reporter itself isn't working, KalEl
[17:19] <sea4ever> I have a windows floppy, how can I get the stuff on it?
[17:19] <KalEl> great gods of linux! how do we report bugs now?!
[17:19] <llutz> seause mtools /mcopy, mdir/
[17:19] <Rebelyouth> sea4ever: yes
[17:19] <eljefe_> exactly
[17:19] <FisherPrice> yay
[17:19] <FisherPrice> :p
[17:19] <eljefe_> sea4ever: put it in the drive?
[17:19] <Jucato> eljefe_: #ubuntu-bugs please.
[17:20] <sea4ever> It's taking like 20 minutes so far to mount
[17:20] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ loads fine though
[17:20] <Jucato> !floppy
[17:20] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[17:20] <llutz> sea4ever: use mtools /mcopy, mdir/
[17:20] <OuZo> whats the deal with dolphin? what was wrong with the old window manager?
[17:20] <eljefe_> Jucato: will do
[17:21] <llutz> OuZo: was not simple enough for some gnome-freaks :)
[17:21] <timri> OuZo: filemanager
[17:21] <eljefe_> yeah it loads, but once I give a summary and click Continue, it errors out
[17:21] <FisherPrice> is the user in the floppy or disk group?
[17:21] <Jucato> !d3lphin | OuZo
[17:21] <ubotu> OuZo: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[17:21] <timri> OuZo: I use konqueror with konqsidebartng it (pardonnez moi le mot) totally rocks
[17:22] <FisherPrice> i have a question about kwin --replace... it doesn't work :(
[17:22] <Jucato> llutz: fwiw, the original dolphin, and the decision to switch to (the real) dolphin in KDE 4 was driven by KDE users' feedback and requests. so to say that it's because of gnome-freaks is totally unfair and insulting for those KDE users
[17:23] <llutz> Jucato: ok, sry
[17:23] <timri> Jucato: what is the insulting part "gnome" or "freaks" ? :)
[17:23] <Jucato> the "gnome" of course :)
[17:23] <OuZo> thanks guys, dolphin sux
[17:24] <Jucato> OuZo: d3lphin sucks. dolphin doesn't
[17:24] <Jucato> (or at least not as much)
[17:24] <OuZo> timri: what is konqsidebartng?
[17:25] <Jucato> KONQueror SIDEBAR The Next Generation
[17:25] <timri> OuZo: it is the part where traditionally the network shortcuts were stored, however you can use it to make shortcuts to anything (local folders etc)
[17:25] <OuZo> is there a screen shot anywere?
[17:25] <Jucato> actually you can use the metabar for that
[17:25] <timri> OuZo: I could upload one, but dont know where.
[17:25] <Jucato> timri: imageshack.us
[17:26] <Jucato> timri: you might be confusing it with the Metabar though
[17:26] <BluesKaj> dolphin is a PITA
[17:26] <Jucato> there is not sidebar applet named "konqsidebartng"... that is part of Konqueror
[17:26] <timri> Jucato: nope, I edit the stuff manually, it is in knqsidebartng/virtual_folders iirc
[17:27] <Jucato> yes
[17:27] <Jucato> timri: what I meant is that konqsidebartng is not a separate app. it's a built-in part of Konqueror
[17:28] <Jucato> you can also do it all in the GUI...
[17:28] <Jucato> right-click on the sidebar -> Add new ->
[17:28] <eljefe_> anyone have any luck with k9copy in 7.10?  i get constant crashes when i try to use it. I had upgraded my FFMPEG but thought that was the culprit, so I reverted back to the official package, but I still have the same issue.
[17:28] <timri> Jucato: hence the "sidebar" part in its name :)
 OuZo: I use konqueror with konqsidebartng it (pardonnez moi le mot) totally rocks <--- you make it sound like it's a separate app that needs to be installed and enabled into Konqueror :)
[17:29] <livingdaylight> i've opened k3b but its not detecting the fact that there is a blank cd in drive
[17:29] <OuZo> i cant understand why the konsole does not have color :< which file do i edit to get color in konsole?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, try launching it from the konsole ...check the output errors
[17:30] <livingdaylight> why not make kubuntu a little more like pclos for eg, with konqueror as dedicated file manager and firefox as default web browser.. much more clean and tidy
[17:30] <eljefe_> ~/.bashrc for colour; you have to comment out (add a #) like 5 lines, and uncomment (remove the #) another set of lines.  Its documented in there, if you read it you'll see.
[17:30] <|dthacker|> ok, here goes with the alternat install CD.  Wish me luck.
[17:30] <livingdaylight> i can't seem to install an iso here on k3b
[17:31] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: install an ISO on k3b??
[17:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: 1. Kubuntu doesn't want to be like PCLOS. 2. The head devs want Konqueror to be the default, to promote Konqueror. 3. Disk space limit (OO.o already takes up a lot)
[17:31] <timri> OuZo: http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konqsidebartngir0.png
[17:31] <|dthacker|> I have done 20 installs since Gutsy dropped and this is the first one I had problems with....
[17:31] <flick> when can i see the even faster and even more better looking kde4 update in my kubuntu?
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> hey everyone!
[17:31] <FisherPrice> does anyone care to help me with my kwin --replace issue?
[17:31]  * |dthacker| glares at his hardware
[17:32] <Cobalt> timri: thanks for trying I left for a moment to fix myself some lunch
[17:32] <Jucato> FisherPrice: what's the problem?
[17:32] <FisherPrice> ty Jucato
[17:32] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, did you install k9copy with a pkg manager or the cli ?
[17:32] <timri> FisherPrice: Care, yes. Able, no :(
[17:32] <Jucato> (not that I can help 100%)
[17:32] <timri> Cobalt: ah, ok
[17:32] <sup3rw0p> Hi, I'm trying to install a theme and I run into this problem. when I run make I get this error at the end. Nothing to be done for `all-am'
[17:32] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: adept
[17:32] <Jucato> sup3rw0p: what theme are you trying to install?
[17:32] <eljefe_> actually with the CLI
[17:32] <sup3rw0p> domino
[17:32] <FisherPrice> juc I've just tried compiz-fusion and want to replace kwin.. but it crashes X and get compiz back
[17:33] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: with the CLI, I had a list of packages and installed it with "sudo apt-get install < packages.txt"
[17:33] <livingdaylight> Jucato:not about being like pclos exactly, but just an example where they strike a balance to give a clean overall look... Keeping Konqueror as default file manager still showcases Konqueror... but Konqueror overwhelm i'm not sure appeals to anyone in the 21 Century for desktop market... imho... but devs know best
[17:33] <Jucato> sup3rw0p: I believe there's a .deb Domino package for Kubuntu. use that instead
[17:33] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: yes an iso in k3b
[17:33] <Jucato> FisherPrice: and "kwin --replace" doesn't work?
[17:33] <FisherPrice> Jucato: I duno if it's a compiz issue or a kwin issue
[17:34] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: but you don't install ISOs with k3b; you don'ty install ISOs really at all, you burn ISOs and then install from the CD...
[17:34] <FisherPrice> Jucato: no, it just crashes X
[17:34] <Jucato> kwin almost never crashes. I bet it's a compiz issue
[17:34] <flick> hmm it seems to work for me
[17:34] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: yes, of course...
[17:34] <Jucato> FisherPrice: might want to ask in #compiz-fusion
[17:34] <FisherPrice> Jucato: ty, i didn't know the irc addy
[17:34] <flick> by the way thanks i did not know i could run compiz on kubuntu also
[17:34] <OuZo> timri: thanks, thats what my gentoo looked like
[17:34] <eljefe_> ok livingdaylight so you want to burn an ISO?  what happens when you right-click the ISO and select "Burn CD with K3b" ?
[17:34] <Jucato> !compiz | flick
[17:34] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: cant burn kubuntu iso... i think  my current kubuntu cd is faulty
[17:34] <ubotu> flick: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:35] <FisherPrice> flick: ya u can... but i think it's got problem
[17:35] <BluesKaj> I know it shouldn't make any diff whetrher you use adept apt or synaptic ., the repos are all the same , but I wonder about the install process in adept , sometimes
[17:35] <FisherPrice> flick: just make sure that u have your system backed up
[17:35] <Jucato> BluesKaj: Adept uses apt
[17:35] <timri> OuZo: I always have my windows maximized, no border, no menu, overlapping kicker
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:35] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: so you think i should reinstall with Adept?  or you think Adept is worse?
[17:35] <flick> FisherPrice, ahh... i've seen ur problem, but i just did kwin --replace (before posting the previous comment) and it seems to work fine
[17:35] <BluesKaj> I'm aware of that
[17:35]  * |dthacker| mumbles phrases not appropriate for kubuntu, becuase his install hung disk detection.
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> FisherPrice: do you have desktop icons turned off?
[17:35] <Werenerd> hey all, has anyone else had problems with USB keyboards and (K)Ubuntu since updating to 7.10? My keyboard keeps cutting in and out
[17:36] <flick> FisherPrice, i installed compiz-kde and emerald too btw
[17:36] <timri> OuZo: that way, I can bring up the taskbar by yanking my mouse to the leftbottom corner of the screen
[17:36] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: it check md5sum but it still says cd rom is empty
[17:36] <FisherPrice> nosrednaekim: no, i have desktop icons
[17:36] <FisherPrice> flick: yah i have them too
[17:36] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: can you try a different CD?
[17:36] <flick> sorry i did compiz --replace
[17:36] <FisherPrice> flick: lol
[17:36] <|dthacker|> how long should text install take to detect a disk?
[17:37] <flick> well... let me try kwin --replace
[17:37] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, the cli /apt & aptitude seems to do better with some video apps
[17:37] <|dthacker|> good grief, it can't find it.
[17:37] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: the cd is fine, when i first put it in it was detected but i chose ignoer because it only offered to open k3b for data or audio and since iwanted to burn iso(image) i ckicked ignore
[17:37] <eljefe_> well, i used the CLI apt-get so i guess I should be 'safe'
[17:37] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:37] <eljefe_> hrmmm
[17:37] <eljefe_> i filed a bug report but no action yet, its been a few days
[17:38] <flick> yup
[17:38] <flick> it works
[17:38] <FisherPrice> :(
[17:38] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, k9copy was clunky on feisty , but i find it works better on gutsy
[17:38] <eljefe_> ok so livingdaylight, try to remove the CD and close k3b; then put the CD in and select Audio or whatever, and then try to do it in k3b with the menu
[17:38] <FisherPrice> i'll wander over to the compiz chanel
[17:38] <donsdw> I have a partition, ext3, that does not show any directories when I ls.  Is it possible they are still there, but I did something wrong?
[17:38] <Downix> ok, this is odd
[17:38] <delious> hi what is the difference between cd and dvd images of kubuntu?
[17:39] <eljefe_> donsdw: is it possible that the partition didn't mount into the dir?
[17:39] <Downix> I run a configure script and it says that the c compiler cannot create executeables
[17:39] <|dthacker|> ok, both live cd and alternate cd fail to detect hd.  Hd is working on another distro.  What should I try next?
[17:39] <Downix> ????
[17:39] <flick> donsdw, what does ls -a show
[17:39] <Downix> |dthacker|: Does it see the HD controller?
[17:39] <timri> Downix: installed build-essentials ?
[17:39] <Werenerd> Does anyone know a good place to get support on keyboard issues maybe?
[17:39] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: did that too... again go through the process as it checks sum but it still says: 'please insert an empty cdblah blah'
[17:39] <rickympl> does kcron use a config file or does it edit the crontab directly?
[17:39] <|dthacker|> Downix: how can I tell?
[17:40] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: ok so k9copy crashed again; the CLI is filled with VOBU: Read Error!!!  (VOBU : 1313496 Read Error !!!!  ==>  1313940)
[17:40] <Downix> timri: Doh!  Knew I forgot something
[17:40] <delious> i need help with choosing the right iso-file
[17:40] <Downix> |dthacker|: Is your HD on the same controller as your CD-ROM?
[17:40] <Q-collective> wow, k9copy looks so much better than dvd::rip
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> rickympl: if it did have a config file, it would be in ~/.kde/share
[17:40] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: no idea then, that is odd.  Just for giggles, have you tried a different CD?  Are you using a DVD when it needs a CD?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, does k3b read the dvd?
[17:41] <donsdw> eljefe_, flick: ls -a shows many hidden directories and Desktop.
[17:41] <|dthacker|> Downix: unknown, will have to reboot to find out.
[17:41] <anton__>  hi ive update my feisty to gutsy now the schortcut Fn+F10/F11 for Display Brightness doesnt work. but gutsy must recognize it native on my lenovo n100
[17:41] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: yeah K3b can see it
[17:41] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: i wish ... but alas no...
[17:42] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: thx anyways..
[17:42] <delious> hi what is the difference between cd and dvd images of kubuntu?
[17:42] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: there's something wrong with this install hence why i'm trying to burn a new kubuntu to cd
[17:42] <Downix> |dthacker|: Is it IDE, ATA, SATA, RAID or SCSI?
[17:42] <Downix> |dthacker|: or SAS, almost forgot that one
[17:42] <flick> donsdw, if it is mounted on the directory you do ls -l, then that's what u got in the ext3. to see if it is mounted, type cat /etc/mtab
[17:42] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: a reboot perhaps? :( i know, its a Windows-type fix, but it worked for an issue I had last night, so its worth a shot i guess...
[17:43] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, uninstall k9copy , reboot, sudo apt-get update and reinstall it
[17:43] <eljefe_> eh..  ok
[17:43] <Downix> timri:  it cannot find any package or instructions for that.
[17:43] <livingdaylight> eljefe_: i suppose, sheesh... i hoped kubuntu would be more stable than that though
[17:43] <BluesKaj> use the cli , eljefe_
[17:43] <rickympl> nosrednaekim:> ok thx, found a config file but its only pertinent to general options like window size, what i'm looking for is the tasks itself, maybe it doesnt save that info in another file other than the cron file
[17:43] <eljefe_> livingdaylight: agreed
[17:44] <donsdw> flick: I was afraid of that.  It's mounted, but all directories are gone.
[17:44] <flick> livingdaylight, eljefe_: agreed, waiting eagerly for KDE 4
[17:44] <Zvezdichko> hello,
[17:44] <timri> Downix: ??
[17:44] <angelo> non so come funziona quest'affare. qualcuno mi legge ?
[17:44] <donsdw> flick: At least they are not showing up.
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> rickympl: should be in share/apps
[17:44] <Zvezdichko> after many sys upgrades a lot of kernels were installed
[17:44] <eljefe_> flick: also waiting but its not going to bring stability improvements, especially for kde 4.0...
[17:44] <OuZo> eljefe_: pls can u pm me with your color part of .bashrc - mine is empty
[17:44] <Zvezdichko> how to remove unneeded kernels?
[17:44] <livingdaylight> flick: kde 4.1 maybe... everyone says kd34 is not gonna be all that
[17:44] <flick> donsdw, how could that be, did you do an rm * .*?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> OuZo: certainly... just a moment
[17:45] <eljefe_> OuZo: that means it is using the system .bashrc but i'll get you my onw, one moment
[17:45] <timri> Downix: you mean like aptitude install build-essential ?
[17:46] <donsdw> flick: I am capable of doing that.  :(
[17:46] <angelo> ma se volessi parlare con qualcuno, come dovrei fare ?
[17:46] <flick> livingdaylight, eljefe_: yeah, i had a few problems, but i have fixed some of them and sent the patch in the KDE4 trunk, so hopefully they will be comitted in that release
[17:46] <timri> !it
[17:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:47] <flick> donsdw, if u or somebody inadvertantly deleted it from the GUI, it should be there in the Trash
[17:48] <Downix> timri: right
[17:48] <eljefe_> OuZo: http://pastebin.ca/759973  that is the default .bashrc, the only change being to make bash in colour.  save it in your home as .bashrc
[17:48] <flick> livingdaylight, eljefe_: also i know of several developers who are holding the fixes for KDE4!
[17:48] <timri> Downix: I take it, it is working now?
[17:48] <donsdw> flick: I can't blame anyone else.  I think I looked in Trash.  /tmp/Trash?  But that is at leat a ray of hope.  Thanks!
[17:48] <timri> superfluous comma guy strikes, again
[17:48] <rickympl> nosrednaekim:> no luck, i did a fresh install of kubuntu backing  up my /home, thinking that kcron would have such a file, but it seems it doenst, thx for your help
[17:49] <Downix> timri:  trying it again incase I misspelled it
[17:49] <donsdw> flick: Oh wait, no /tmp either. :(
[17:49] <timri> Downix: I added an s initially
[17:49] <OuZo> eljefe_: um that paste doesnt load for me, it the url correct?
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> rickympl: ah... kron probably does save to the crontab
[17:50] <Downix> that did it
[17:50] <Downix> 8)
[17:50] <eljefe_> yeah... pastebin kinda stinks some times tho
[17:50] <|dthacker|> Downix: Disk Drive is /dev/hda, how can I find the device the CDROM is attached at?
[17:50] <eljefe_> where can I get dvddecss, i wonder if that is the issue for k9copy
[17:50] <rickympl> nosrednaekim:> right, next time ill know better
[17:50] <rickympl> thanks
[17:50] <flick> donsdw, no /tmp ?!
[17:51] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, libdvdcss2 ?
[17:51] <samuk1> aki eh br?
[17:51] <Downix> |dthacker|: should be /dev/sd or dev/cd
[17:51] <flick> donsdw, i am really sorry... but if you are sure that the files have been deleted you can try the "unrm" command
[17:51] <donsdw> flick: Not is this partition.  I still have my Kubuntu partition.
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> NP
[17:51] <eljefe_> OuZo: try again?  it loaded for me, but not always...
[17:51] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: yeah
[17:51] <flick> donsdw, it can be installed as "sudo apt-get install tct"
[17:51] <OuZo> eljefe_: no its just blank
[17:52] <samuk1> helppppppppppp
[17:52] <Alarm> i tried to install kwin-style-metal4kde , but it wants some dependecies. kdelibs4 , i got kde 3.5.7 is that a problem ?
[17:52] <eljefe_> well its there man :(  lemme see if i can put it elsewhere
[17:52] <Cobalt> where to go to get the image files for this virtual machine ?
[17:52] <flick> but it can be hard to use.
[17:52] <eljefe_> samuk1: whaaaaat
[17:52] <timri> samuk1: F1
[17:52] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, it's in the restricted debs , check yer source.list to uncomment them
[17:52] <eljefe_> hmmm i though ti w as fully open for all of those...
[17:52] <Downix> |dthacker|: any sign?
[17:53] <donsdw> flick: I don't know what tct is, but I will look it up.  Thanks for your help.
[17:53] <samuk1> irc brasileiro?!?
[17:53] <OuZo> eljefe_: can you please paste it here? http://pastebin.div0.co.za/
[17:53] <timri> !br
[17:53] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:53] <flick> donsdw, tct is a package of forensic related utilities
[17:53] <|dthacker|> Downix: CD is on /dev/hdc, so a different controller, I think
[17:53] <samuk1> what is channel br?!?
[17:53] <timri> !br
[17:53] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, you still have to install it yourself
[17:54] <Downix> |dthacker|: no, same controller.  Likely the second channel on a PATA or IDE controller.
[17:54] <eljefe_> all of my repos are open3ed up and its not showing on the Adept list
[17:54] <donsdw> flick: Oh.  Install and then maybe unrm will help?
[17:54] <samuk1> !br
[17:54] <samuk1> thx
[17:54] <Downix> |dthacker|: ok, can you fdisk the HD?
[17:54] <flick> donsdw, maybe... just may be!
[17:54] <timri> samuk1: :)
[17:54] <|dthacker|> Downix: isn't it hda/b  hdac/d?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, did you update the repos ?
[17:55] <Cobalt> ubotu: where can I get image files for other OSs ?
[17:55] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: nope, default, and i did add medibuntu tho
[17:55] <eagles0513875> Cobalt: ubotu is a bot
[17:55] <eljefe_> OuZo: http://pastebin.div0.co.za/results/E2BG71752.html
[17:55] <donsdw> flick: Another ray of hope.  Thanks again!
[17:55] <Downix> |dthacker|: Most PATA have hda/b on the first channel and hdc/d on the second.  And most onboard controllers have 2 channels.
[17:55] <samuk1> ! not ready...=/
[17:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not ready...=/ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:55] <timri> Cobalt: distrowatch.com
[17:55] <samuk1> !br not ready...
[17:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about br not ready... - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:56] <Cobalt> timri: thanks