[06:39] <overrider> jceggbert5: its a 4gb drive, so i just picked the USB Startup Disk Creator, and installed it, leaving 4gb - ~600mb for my personal Files. It was quite straight forward
[06:39] <codename> Does the Razer mouse work on LINUX
[06:39] <Soren_> :|
[06:39] <Xcell> friendishan-   load chat channels in your client and do a search..
[06:39] <bullgard4> ozzmosis: Thank you.
[06:39] <friendishan> Xcell how
[06:39] <Xcell> what version
[06:39] <Mousie_NotTaken> Linux newbie. I have a little experience getting around but not much. Anyways, fresh install of Ubuntu 7.04. I am trying to update my system using the system update and I am getting 404 errors. I have a working internet connection (connected right now from the desktop).Hopefully a picture might help a little bit. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/falnangl/ErrorUpdates.png
[06:40] <she_dyed> codename guy I know swears by it
[06:40] <felix_> Soren_, those not
[06:40] <jceggbert5> ok, i used a windows installer to drive found here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[06:40] <she_dyed> codename, cant recall what distro tho
[06:40] <codename> So it works?
[06:40] <friendishan> cell where is load chat channels ?
[06:40] <|ntegra|> !webcam
[06:40] <Soren_> felix_ please tell me what to check or what not to check
[06:40] <she_dyed> codename,  yes
[06:40] <codename> Thanks!
[06:40] <genii> Mousie_NotTaken: 7.04 is past it's End Of Life and so the repositories it is trying to reach no longer exist
[06:40] <zenxr> @mousie, seems to me the repository is gone.
[06:40] <RedSocrates> Mousie_NotTaken: I believe the problem is that Ubuntu 7.04 is no longer supported
[06:41] <RedSocrates> Yeah, basically what everyone just said
[06:41] <she_dyed> codename, hang out in mandriva and ask that when theres people there
[06:41]  * Soren_ thinks he must be getting PUNKed
[06:41] <jceggbert5> @zenxr, what exactly would i type into terminal?
[06:41] <overrider> jceggbert5: And that way allows you to simply install custom programs which survive a reboot?
[06:41] <friendishan> Xcell where is load chat channels ?
[06:41] <zenxr> *no quotes* "--emerald replace"
[06:41] <felix_> chech all in the first tab. all in third parties. then recommended and security and no more
[06:42] <Xcell> friendishan-  what chat client are you using
[06:42] <jceggbert5> yes... i have it on 3 flash drives and they have xtra programs on them and other stuff
[06:42] <Xcell> xchat?
[06:42] <Soren_> k
[06:42] <jceggbert5> like settings, documents, pictures etc.
[06:42] <overrider> neat, Thanks, will give it a go now
[06:42] <zenxr> @jceggbert5: 3 drives o.O
[06:42] <friendishan> Xchat gnome IRC
[06:42] <Mousie_NotTaken> Ok, I was having issues with the newer versions with my video card. The screen would flicker so I chose to use an earlier version that did work properly. Is there a way I can update the repositories to update correctly? Or am I SOL unless I upgrade?
[06:42] <friendishan> Xcell Xchat gnome IRC
[06:42] <jceggbert5> computer rescue drives
[06:43] <overrider> jceggbert5: Yes, Documents and stuff is okay, its just that i need extra progams, like clamav
[06:43] <jceggbert5> the programs survive
[06:43] <jceggbert5> with the link i gave you
[06:43] <unikon>  whats the name of the penguin downhill race game
[06:43] <jceggbert5> it HAS to be done in windows tho :(
[06:43] <friendishan_> Xcell i'm on Xchat IRC now
[06:43] <Xcell> friendishan-  i use regular xchat.. not gnome..install regular xchat from synaptic and you will have all the options xchat gnome does not have.
[06:44] <zenxr> Xcell: is regular xchat CLI?
[06:44] <she_dyed> unikon, think its tuxracer
[06:44] <friendishan_> Xcell this is friendishan i installed regular xchat
[06:44] <Soren_> felix, close and reload?
[06:44] <jceggbert5> @zenxr, yes, 3 drives
[06:44] <ubuntu_> hi
[06:44] <felix_> Soren_, yes, then attemt again to install kgrub
[06:45] <Chr|s> ubuntu_: hi
[06:45] <felix_> Soren_, "sudo apt-get install grub kgrubeditor"
[06:45] <Mousie_NotTaken> Thank you everyone for your help and support.
[06:45] <lvlefisto> i want nautilus to show list view always for every folder i browse
[06:45] <Soren_> could not DL all repository indexes
[06:45] <friendishan> Xcell how to i use it ?
[06:45] <friendishan_> Xcell how do i use it ?
[06:45] <felix_> Soren_, what ones
[06:46] <Xcell> friendishan_-  friendishan  right ick empy snndow and---> server / chan list
[06:46] <Xcell> click
[06:46] <Xcell> my k/b bat is dying
[06:46] <houndogg> hi, any chance I could get some help with an issue setting up the pptpd server?
[06:46] <friendishan_> Xcell snndow ?
[06:46] <Soren_> Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[06:46] <Xcell> window
[06:46] <Soren_> Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)/dists/intrepid/restricted/binary-i386/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[06:46] <felix_> Soren_, dont worry about that
[06:46] <felix_> Soren_, "sudo apt-get install grub kgrubeditor"
[06:46] <friendishan_> Xcell empy ?
[06:47] <Soren_> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:47] <Soren_> k
[06:47] <Xcell> right click in blank space in chat window and go to server / chan list
[06:47] <friendishan_> Xcell then ?
[06:47] <Soren_> it is asing for a DVD to be inserted into the drive
[06:48] <Xcell> click list of channels
[06:48] <Xcell> dear god
[06:48] <Soren_> omg.........You have 2 broken packages on your system.....Use the "Broken" filter to locate them.
[06:48] <felix_> Soren_, open again software origins and untick the ubuntu cd
[06:48] <bazhang> Soren_, is the cd enabled in your sources.list? if so, disable it as a source
[06:48] <felix_> lol
[06:48] <friendishan_> Xcell there is no option like that
[06:49] <friendishan_> Xcell no empty window
[06:49] <Soren_> There is another synaptic running in non-interactive mode. Please wait for it to finish first.
[06:49] <Xcell> friendishan-  @ the top menu click (server) and click (list of channels)
[06:50] <friendishan_> ok
[06:50] <felix_> Soren_, thats update manager. let it finish, perhaps it solves your problems.
[06:50] <felix_> then
[06:50] <felix_> Soren_, "sudo apt-get install grub kgrubeditor"
[06:50] <Xcell> i use a hidden menu so i had to recall it to do that
[06:50] <felix_> im sure that if you no do that your computer wont boot again
[06:50] <felix_> you have tryed to install lilo and that caused lots of problems
[06:52] <Soren_> update mgr is running........thaT IS thecrazy thing that did the LiLo thing in the 1st place
[06:52] <Soren_> sheeeeeeesh
[06:52] <Xcell> woops
[06:52] <Xcell> thats gotta suck
[06:52] <felix_> Soren_, that has no sense. lilo is deprecated and not installed by default
[06:53] <Soren_> I didn't say it makes sense
[06:53] <felix_> update manager wont install it
[06:53] <Soren_> I do not know enough to mske it instasll old stuff, that is for sure
[06:54] <``y7> fresh ubuntu install. i setup eth0 to have an external ip and eth1 to be my default gateway. it works for a day. 20 minutes after i leave to go eat, the thing disconnects. any ideas?  by disconnects, i mean it lost the external ip.
[06:54] <felix_> update manager only install updates. for other programs use apps, add/remove or apt or synaptic
[06:55] <Xcell> Time for my beauty rest... nn.
[06:55] <Captain_Haddock> I just went through the installation for jaunty .. all was well. But, upon reboot, I get a GRUB error "Error 2"
[06:55] <Soren_> felix, I have unchecked SOURCE three times, and it still tells me it can't find it
[06:56] <TheFunkbomb> if you guys were setting up a dual boot and wanted to format a third partition as a file share between the two OSes, what format would you use?  ext2, fat32, or ntfs?
[06:56] <felix_> Soren_, that have fix, but its not important unless youre going to download sources.
[06:57] <Soren_> ok, what now
[06:57] <felix_> Soren_, "sudo apt-get install grub kgrubeditor"
[06:57] <Soren_> ty
[06:59] <Soren_> ok, it is Dling something
[07:00] <rolando> ?
[07:00] <Soren_> this is making me crazy...........ok, more crazy
[07:00] <felix_> os Soren_ when finished run "sudo kgrubeditor" and check if you have dual boot options without changing anything
[07:00] <bullgard4> What is a "seat"? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit: "ConsoleKit is a framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions, and seats."
[07:00] <Soren_> felix_, like before?
[07:00] <Soren_> lol
[07:00] <zenxr> Soren: just manually edit the grub.config file -.-
[07:01] <Captain_Haddock> anybody able to help with my GRUB error?
[07:01] <zenxr> Captain: hit me
[07:01] <zenxr> what's the issue?
[07:01] <Soren_> lol @ me manually doing anything
[07:01] <felix_> zenxr, is very noob. let him use a gui
[07:01] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I just went through the installation for jaunty .. all was well. But, upon reboot, I get a GRUB error "Error 2"
[07:01] <zenxr> felix don't i remember you from yesterday?
[07:01] <Soren_> what he sad
[07:02] <OuZo> hi, if i am networking two computers over a crossover cable, how can i make them see each other? thanks
[07:02] <amar> i have change directory problem
[07:02] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I have three drives - 1 IDE (boot) and 2 SATA drives (data)
[07:02] <felix_> yes i was here yesterday zenxr
[07:02] <zenxr> Captain it's an issue with the partition from what i've just read
[07:03] <Soren_> felix_, where are you
[07:03] <zenxr> are the filesystems recognized correctly?
[07:03] <felix_> here
[07:03] <Soren_> no
[07:03] <Soren_> where are you located
[07:03] <felix_> madrid, spain
[07:04] <Soren_> cool
[07:04] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: how do I fix it? I expect that I'll need to edit the GRUB files
[07:04] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: filesystems - I can't tell
[07:04] <Soren_> when do you sleep
[07:04] <Captain_Haddock> they were formatted as ext3
[07:04] <zenxr> is it a fresh install?
[07:04] <Captain_Haddock> yep
[07:04] <felix_> Soren_, that's actually a good question
[07:04] <Captain_Haddock> this is the reboot after installation
[07:04] <Soren_> lol
[07:05] <Soren_> I think you have been here as long as I h alrready sleptave been today, and you should have
[07:05] <zenxr> i'd just re-install again, and if that doesn't work boot a live cd, check the filesystems with cfdisk (and probably edit the recognization accordingly)
[07:05] <wladston> guys, I updated my server from 8.10 to 9.04. My scanner with saned was working since 8.04, but now it broke ... saned daemon doesn't start anymore ... ideas ?
[07:05] <zenxr> if that's not an option I don't really know what to do
[07:05] <Soren_> uhg, I hate touchpads
[07:05] <zenxr> wladston it may not recognize the new kernel
[07:05] <felix_> Soren_, youre true;  im in a ubuntu user help marathon ;)
[07:06] <zenxr> lol @ filex
[07:06] <wladston> zenxr: I didn't update the kernel
[07:06] <zenxr> ah
[07:06] <Soren_> I like the name filex better
[07:06] <notdarkyet> this sucks, so I decided it was a great idea to get drunk with my friends.  when I get back I decide that its the perfect time to upgrade to jaunty from 8.10 on my laptop.  just so happens that this move kills my wireless.  i don't remember fucking around with ndiswrapper on this comp (just the other ones) so conveniently it "just worked".  sadly now it does not.  any tips on what i should look at or go to.   obviously i might not
[07:06] <neil_d> does the sil 3114 SATA controller work under ubuntu?  can you hot-swap the drives?
[07:06] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: Can I edit the GRUB file or something myself? I'm using the alternate CD
[07:06] <notdarkyet> any ideas?
[07:06] <zenxr> yes you can
[07:07] <RedSocrates> !language | notdarkyet
[07:07] <felix_> Soren_, actually my nick is Isilion, but im in a custom distro that im developing, called felix
[07:07] <notdarkyet> i am very sorry
[07:07] <zenxr> The GRUB file is on your installed parition, mount it if not done so already
[07:07] <Soren_> oic
[07:07] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: No prob.  What wireless card are you using?
[07:07] <notdarkyet> too make things better i set up a media box (with boxee) for my dad and the motherboard died today!!!!!!
[07:07] <wladston> zenxr: any ideas on how to troubleshoot it ?
[07:07] <notdarkyet> umm hmm its atheros
[07:08] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I don't get to a command prompt
[07:08] <notdarkyet> its a crap acer laptop
[07:08] <Soren_> does this mean it is done DLing?.................... Processing triggers for libc6 .............ldconfig deferred processing now taking place...........greg@greg-laptop:~$
[07:08] <zenxr> wladston: not really :[
[07:08] <notdarkyet> sorry lang
[07:08] <Captain_Haddock> is there a bypass shortcut or something?
[07:08] <wladston> zenxr: ok, thanks :)
[07:08] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: what do you mean?
[07:08] <felix_> Soren_,  yes, now "sudo kgrubeditor" (be careful)
[07:08] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock
[07:08] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: one sec
[07:08] <zenxr> whoops
[07:08] <Soren_> lol
[07:08] <notdarkyet> its a junk acer laptop, but i feel like i am missing the boat as to why an upgrade would kill the drivers.  I mean isnt that the point of "upgrading"?
[07:08] <notdarkyet> rather than a clean install
[07:09] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: rephrase: How do I access my installed partition with the alternate CD?
[07:09] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: Ah, one second I have it written somewhere
[07:09] <notdarkyet> i mean i am no linux noob but i have my feet set right at the starting line of intermediate
[07:09] <Soren_> sudo kgrubeditor = command not found
[07:09] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Do you have the laptop available right now?
[07:09] <dustydawgg> u r a n00b
[07:09] <notdarkyet> i am on it just hardwired
[07:09] <RedSocrates> k
[07:10] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343326
[07:10] <Flannel> !noob | dustydawgg
[07:10] <Soren_> felix_ sudo kgrubeditor = command not found
[07:10] <notdarkyet> wireless stopped
[07:10] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Can you pastebin the outputs of a couple commands?
[07:10] <notdarkyet> definately
[07:10] <zenxr> after that, the grub file is /boot/grub/grub.config
[07:10] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: k.  How about "lspci" and "lsmod | grep ath" and "ifconfig -a"?
[07:10] <notdarkyet> i appreciate the concern and help
[07:10] <felix_> Soren_, start typyng kgrub.. then hit tabulator
[07:10] <shentino> Is anyone besides me having subshell screen problems with Midnight Commander?
[07:10] <felix_> that will complete the name
[07:11] <frank___> I have installed ubuntu a week ago, and I think I removed something I shouldn't have, because I don't have wifi on my laptop anymore...any suggestions?
[07:11] <lenito> hola
[07:11] <notdarkyet> ho for the pastbin i will set it up
[07:11] <frank___> note: it did have wifi
[07:11] <pintook> hello
[07:11] <zenxr> /boot/grub/menu.lst sorry
[07:11] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I unfortunately don't have a live CD :( I'm using the alternate CD
[07:11] <lenito> HOLA A TODOS
[07:11] <Soren_> felix_, typre kgrub where? and what is tabulator
[07:11] <shentino> I'm thinking that independent confirmation of the bug might prod the triagers to take a look at it
[07:11] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: what the heck is an alternate CD?
[07:11] <felix_> omg
[07:11] <Soren_> :O
[07:11] <pintook> hello elki
[07:11] <felix_> tab = the key above bloq mayus
[07:11] <whatvn> frank__: lspci | grep wireless
[07:12] <whatvn> frank__: lspci | grep Wireless
[07:12] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: the text based installation CD
[07:12] <pintook> i just joined xchat
[07:12] <notdarkyet> for the lspci output can i just show you the atheros output or do you want it all:?
[07:12] <Soren_> we cal it the Tab key
[07:12] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: sorry I should have known
[07:12] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Just the atheros output is fine
[07:12] <notdarkyet> 06:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)
[07:12] <frank___> whatvn: i ran that command, nothing shows in terminal...
[07:12] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: you cannot get any command line that does standard linux commands?
[07:13] <notdarkyet> that might be easier, although let me know if that is not appropriate for the room
[07:13] <lenito> :-PQUE TAL
[07:13] <whatvn> frank__: lspci | grep Wireless , I use lower-case before, so it's wrong
[07:13] <felix_> lenito vete a #ubuntu-es si quieres hablar español.
[07:13] <Soren_> !pastebin
[07:13] <bc> whatvn: or use grep -i
[07:13] <lenito> ÑLJKH
[07:13] <notdarkyet> nothing for lsmod | grep ath
[07:13] <whatvn> bc: yes
[07:13] <BlueParrot> hi guys , I changed my password but for some reason it seems to have not changed tha password for my wireless keyring and thus I get prompted for my old password every time nm-applet starts. Any ideas how to fix it ?
[07:13] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I don't know... I get the grub error as soon as I boot up
[07:13] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: you are aware that whenever grub boots you can edit it before you select a partition to load?
[07:13] <brEz> Hi, does the "rm" command delete that file from your machine?
[07:14] <notdarkyet> ifconfig -a
[07:14] <notdarkyet> oops
[07:14] <bullgard4> What is a "seat"? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit: "ConsoleKit is a framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions, and seats."
[07:14] <felix_> brEz, completely
[07:14] <brEz> nice
[07:14] <notdarkyet> sorry booze wrong input
[07:14] <frank___> whatvn: same thing, i ran with capital W and with the -i
[07:14] <brEz> so if I compile something, then rm -r /file
[07:14] <lenito>
[07:14] <BlueParrot> brEz, it marks it as deleted in the filesystem, in theory the data is still there but it can be rather hard to restore it
[07:14] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177708/
[07:14] <brEz> it's all gone ?
[07:14] <ScottG> What is a good state I can leave my laptop in where if the battery runs out the system wont be damaged?
[07:14] <ScottG> Can I just do a sudo shutdown and let it hang at the prompt?
[07:14] <whatvn> frank__: so you must find driver for your wireless, reinstall it
[07:14] <Captain_Haddock> zenxr: I don't get to the select option page.. I just get "Grub 1.5 loading ..." (or similar) and then "error 2" :(
[07:14] <felix_> Soren_,  nothing is wrong with that
[07:14] <BlueParrot> brEz, if it's a text file you can use "grep" on your harddrive , if it's a binary file there are other more advanced tools, but in general it is a pain
[07:14] <lenito> SALUDOS
[07:14] <Soren_> felix_, hit any key....................where is the "any key"? lol
[07:15] <pintook> hello felix
[07:15] <Soren_> so?
[07:15] <brEz> eg: I installed an eggdrop, I messed it up - wanted to start from scratch so I did rm -r "eggdrop"
[07:15] <felix_> hello pintook
[07:15] <brEz> to delete everything
[07:15] <brEz> ??
[07:15] <pintook> hi
[07:15] <zenxr> Captain_Haddock: Sorry, I thought the issue was with an already installed partition. You have a problem with your CD; I don't think that's fixable and you may need to download it again
[07:15] <notdarkyet> RedSocrates: http://pastebin.com/m53d0255d and thank you for looking, that is the output for ifconfig -a
[07:15] <pintook> thanks for responding
[07:16] <frank___> if i do hard wire and check for updates, will it install automatically? Since it had it installed when i installed ubuntu
[07:16] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: k, thanks.  And now "lsmod | grep ath"
[07:16] <Soren_> felix_ so everything ids ok now?
[07:16] <BlueParrot> brEz, there is no eazy way to "undo" an rm command, but in some cases it is possible ( but tedious ) to restore some of the data. Unless the data you lost is very important it is usually not worth the effort.
[07:16] <pintook> felix pls who is the administratoe in the room
[07:16] <felix_> brEz, "sudo rm -fr /full/path/to/eggdrop"
[07:16] <brEz> BlueParrot: I don't want to undo it, I'm just wondering if it's gone, or if it's gonna use up my harddrive :P
[07:17] <felix_> Soren_, "sudo apt-get install grub kgrubeditor"
[07:17] <pintook> hi felix
[07:17] <felix_> sorry
[07:17] <felix_> if you finished DLing, then kgrubTAB on a console
[07:17] <BlueParrot> brEz, oh the space is free for the operating system to use, so that's not a problem, but depending on your filesystem it may be possible to still retrieve it so it's not a "secure" way to delete private information.
[07:17] <felix_> pintook, dont have to be polite. if you have a question, simply doit ;)
[07:18] <notdarkyet> RedSocrates: I get nothing from lsmod | grep ath
[07:18] <pintook> felix i need to install CAD for ubuntu 9.0.4
[07:18] <pintook> ok
[07:18] <brEz> Nice, thanks :)
[07:18] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177709/
[07:18] <BlueParrot> brEz, but yes, if you use rm to delete a file that will free the space from the drive
[07:18] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Okay, that's likely the source of your problem, then.  The proper modules aren't loaded.  We'll try a few
[07:18] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Try "sudo modprobe ath5k" first, and then tell me if the output of "ifconfig -a" changes
[07:18] <felix_> pintook, i think its impossible. but you can try wine.
[07:18] <whatvn> frank__: can you give me ifconfig output?
[07:18] <pintook> i need CAD for ubuntu equvalent to Autocad
[07:19] <Soren_> I think I need a few bottles of wine
[07:19] <BlueParrot> brEz, basically what it does is tell the filesystem to treat the area of the disk the file occupied as if it was free space. It doesn't rally eraze any data but it makes it so that the operating system can overwrite it if it needs the space.
[07:19] <notdarkyet> wow the help is so much appreciated
[07:19] <felix_> whatvn, i dunno any, search the repos. search google. :)
[07:19] <pintook> ok
[07:19] <notdarkyet> ahah "FATAL: Module ath5k not found."
[07:19] <notdarkyet> might be the source
[07:19] <brEz> oh
[07:19] <brEz> thanks mate :)
[07:19] <felix_> pintook,  i dunno any, search the repos. search google. :)
[07:19] <zenxr> pintook: what about qcad?
[07:19] <whatvn> felix_, what?
[07:19] <pintook> i have wine installed but i need a sbstitue for aautocad
[07:20] <felix_> sorry whatvn
[07:20] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177709/
[07:20] <frank___> whatvn: http://pastebin.com/m5cf2557e
[07:20] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: This is Jaunty?
[07:20] <notdarkyet> yeah i just upgraded hence the source of the problems
[07:20] <zenxr> pintook: what do you mean? qcad runs through linux without wine doesn't it?
[07:21] <felix_> Soren_, that's your old kernel. it updated automatically before. you can follow the instructions "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[07:21] <trialnerror> pintook: there is no linux substitute for autocad
[07:21] <whatvn> frank__: what type of your wireless card?
[07:21] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Hm, that's odd.  I thought the ath5k module was included by default with Jaunty.
[07:21] <frank___> whatvn: not sure
[07:21] <peepsalot> did jaunty replace totem with gnome-mplayer as the default audio player?
[07:21] <zenxr> trialnerror: not an exact substitute no..
[07:21] <trialnerror> autocad is a good reason to have a windows partition
[07:21] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: What happens if you try "sudo modprobe ath_pci"?  Then does the output of "ifconfig -a" change?
[07:22] <notdarkyet> right? i know i was confused myself having it work previously and break on an upgrade
[07:22] <zenxr> trialnerror: virtualbox plawks :{
[07:22] <frank___> whatvn: when i first installed ubuntu, it worked, but I think I uninstalled something to cause it to fail
[07:22] <notdarkyet> no return
[07:22] <trialnerror> i stand corrected
[07:22] <whatvn> frank__: you removed wireless driver.
[07:22] <pintook> is iok zenxr i am just installing the qcad
[07:22] <supergear> who needs windows anyways
[07:23] <notdarkyet> are there any repositories that i can just apt-get to install them all?
[07:23] <whatvn> frank__: find your wireless card name, check for its driver
[07:23] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: What do you mean, "no return"?
[07:23] <zenxr> supergear: I have a windows desktop for gaming.
[07:23] <supergear> Comsoles are for gaming!
[07:23] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177712/
[07:23] <zenxr> lol true
[07:23] <notdarkyet> it returns nothing and just goes to an another line
[07:23] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: If there was no return after "sudo modprobe ath_pci", that's actually good.
[07:23] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Right.  Does something show up now when you type "lsmod | grep ath"?
[07:23] <felix_> Soren_,  now "sudo kgrubTAB"
[07:24] <notdarkyet> oh sorry
[07:24] <pintook> how does voice chat works in xchat
[07:24] <bullgard4> peepsalot: On my 9.04, it is Rhythmbox.
[07:24] <shentino> supergear:  Nethack all the way!
[07:24] <indus> it doesnt
[07:24] <Soren_> lol where is TAB......................>KIDDING
[07:24] <notdarkyet> yeah can I paste it here? three lines
[07:24] <ActionParsnip1> pintook: it doesnt
[07:24] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: No, I know what it says :)
[07:24] <pintook> ok
[07:24] <notdarkyet> ahah, experience is a godsend
[07:24] <ActionParsnip1> pintook: irc doesnt support voice
[07:24] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Now, does "wlan0" or "ath0" or anything different show up when you type "ifconfig -a"?
[07:24] <pintook> how best can i run paltalk
[07:25] <brEz> where would the tcllib file be located?
[07:25] <pintook> how best can i on ubuntu
[07:25] <shentino> Would someone with spare time please confirm this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mc/+bug/367318
[07:25] <bc> anyone have any idea why miro no longer runs when selected from gnome-do?
[07:25] <shentino> I think independent confirmation would grease the wheels with the triagers
[07:25] <bc> (strace gave me no clues)
[07:25] <pintook> how best can i run paltalk on ubuntu
[07:26] <bullgard4> What is a "seat"? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit: "ConsoleKit is a framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions, and seats."
[07:26] <zenxr> is bullgard4 a bot or something?
[07:26] <tank-man> bullgard4, like a liscense
[07:26] <ActionParsnip1> pintook: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152965
[07:26] <pintook> pls who is the moderator in this room
[07:27] <HorizonXP> is it possible to install Ubuntu Server with a graphical front-end, that I could VNC into?
[07:27] <notdarkyet> sorry, by different to you mean names or pairings or what (sorry i have been drinking, but i appreciate the help so much)? just what differences am i looking for?
[07:27] <zenxr> pintook they may very well be AFK
[07:27] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177713/
[07:27] <ActionParsnip1> pintook: looks like its a no go afaics
[07:27] <HorizonXP> or, if not, is there a significant difference in using desktop edition vs server edition as a LAMP server
[07:27] <coolkourt> hello i have an asipre one, i am curious if there is anyway for me to use my dual display on 9.nr04 u
[07:27] <notdarkyet> wait i will paste bin those
[07:27] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: It's a bit hard to say off the top of my head; could you just pastebin "ifconfig -a"
[07:27] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Yeah, that's fine
[07:27] <pintook> Hello AFK
[07:27] <idahoev1> hey - where is the configuration for gem stored?  I ran sudo gem update --system, and now it thinks there are no gems installed.  (gem environment says gems path is /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8  but all my gems are actually in /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems)
[07:27] <felix_> HorizonXP, yes, once you have installed Ubuntu server and has console access type "apt-get install gnome/kde"
[07:27] <idahoev1> oops wrong room soory
[07:28] <mobi-sheep> HorizonXP: Server edition came with no GUI.
[07:28] <notdarkyet> http://pastebin.com/m3d9b6f8c
[07:28] <volo1> HorizonXP: There's a web interface for managing the Ubuntu Server, as far as I know
[07:28] <Soren_> felix_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/177713/
[07:28] <Demonicdata> Anyone able to set up i2p?
[07:28] <shentino> kvm -vnc :1?
[07:28] <shentino> :P
[07:28] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: That's in the direction I was looking for. :)  Hopefully we're almost there
[07:28] <ravelon> eurythmia, why is it better downloading eclipse from the website?
[07:29] <mojo_> ls
[07:29] <volo1> HorizonXP: And if not that, then admin with Webmin
[07:29] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: or dont use the gui (which is why the server doesnt come with one) and use ssh or cli
[07:29] <mojo_> opps sorry
[07:29] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: I assume you know your wireless ESSID, your key, etc?  Do you use WEP or WPA?
[07:29] <volo1> HorizonXP: I agree with ActionParsnip1
[07:29] <felix_> Soren_, look in Apps, System tools, kgrub
[07:30] <Soren_> kgrobeditor
[07:30] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: unless you have >4Gb ram on a 32bit chip, installing server then a gui is a complete waste of time and you may as well install deskto as you gain nothing
[07:30] <mobi-sheep> !ubuntu-server | HorizonXP
[07:30] <notdarkyet> actually i am home for a small summer break and there is no encryption whatsoever on my dads router, but at school its just wep because i can safely assume no one is sniffing it
[07:30] <notdarkyet> why?
[07:31] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Okay, that's fine.  You know the ESSID at least?
[07:31] <notdarkyet> hey can i pm you?
[07:31] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Nah, I don't need it
[07:31] <Soren_> felix_ kgrubeditor
[07:31] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Just making sure before I give you the next bit
[07:31] <notdarkyet> ok i just feel dumb with my questions
[07:31] <felix_> Soren_, yes
[07:31] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Not at all :)
[07:31] <Soren_> ok?
[07:31] <notdarkyet> no i actually do not sorry
[07:31] <felix_> Soren_, yes
[07:31] <notdarkyet> essid that is
[07:32] <Soren_> yes? open it?
[07:32] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: The ESSID is basically just the name of the network.  You don't know that?
[07:32] <notdarkyet> oh ahaha sorry yeah
[07:32] <felix_> Soren_, yes
[07:32] <felix_> lol
[07:32] <RedSocrates> k, good :)
[07:32] <coolkourt> is there any way to do dual screen on UNR and aspire one
[07:32] <felix_> Soren_, hurry please
[07:32] <ActionParsnip1> !dualhead
[07:33] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1, volo1: These would be on quad-core Xeon machines, with... I don't know how much RAM, could be 4GB. I am personally used to SSH and CLI, but there are some instances where I need to VNC in.
[07:33] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Are you in GNOME?  And is NetworkManager loaded on your task bar?
[07:33] <Soren_> opend
[07:33] <felix_> Soren_, or you must wait until i return from buying tobacco...
[07:33] <Soren_> lol
[07:33] <felix_> :)
[07:33] <OrEvA> I am not able to download anything from the repos ........... this is my error msg " http://paste.ubuntu.com/177714/"
[07:33] <OrEvA> please help
[07:33] <Soren_> no patches?
[07:33] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: then as long as you use the 64bit desktop system, you will get exactly the same as installing server and a destop environment
[07:33] <Soren_> no gum?
[07:33] <felix_> what you see? do you see windows and linux stuff? both?
[07:33] <notdarkyet> wait it just started working
[07:34] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Yeah, that's not surprising.  It'll autoconnect, typically
[07:34] <Soren_> both
[07:34] <notdarkyet> no but it can see the wireless networks
[07:34] <Soren_> a lot of ubuntu stuff and a XP
[07:34] <bullgard4> tank-man: I disagree.
[07:34] <notdarkyet> now
[07:34] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1, volo1: I'm streaming a number of internet radio streams on one server via VLC. It can and is done via CLI and the built-in HTTP interface, but it is good to have a fallback.
[07:34] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Okay, so you can connect to the wireless network, then?
[07:34] <notdarkyet> i feel as though i drank to much and this is trippy
[07:34] <felix_> ok you can custom it a bit. choose a splash image if you like, default boot option, delay time. thats safe.
[07:34] <notdarkyet> yeah definately
[07:35] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Okay, great.  What was happening was that the module was not loading at startup.
[07:35] <Soren_> a lot of ubuntu lines and one XP line
[07:35] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: so no difference between desktop and server on 64-bit? that's surprising.
[07:35] <Soren_> lol
[07:35] <notdarkyet> and what command changed that? its not as though i gave you root access to change anything so i am missing something
[07:35] <OrEvA> I am not able to download anything from the repos ........... this is my error msg " http://paste.ubuntu.com/177714/".....any one please help me
[07:35] <Soren_> later, maybe, huh?
[07:35] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I'll have to find out about this server. I had to upgrade it from 7.10 to 8.04, but not sure if the last guy had the sense to use AMD64.
[07:36] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: The command I had you type earlier, "sudo modprobe ath_pci", loaded the appropriate module
[07:36] <felix_> Soren_, those are the other kernels boot lines. i mean the kernel you updated. so you can safely delete em
[07:36] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: He didn't have the sense to use an LTS release even though it was available.
[07:36] <notdarkyet> geez, so can i change the loading scripts so that command is executed everytime?
[07:36] <felix_> Soren_, not all, just the oldest version
[07:36] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: theres a server kernel that supports PAE. and the default install doesnt have an x server or all the gui apps a desktop system has (like firefox etc) to save space and resources. Why have yu installed someting when you are clearly blind to the differences.
[07:36] <Soren_> felix_, I do not want to have to start over agin
[07:36] <notdarkyet> or is that not the right process?
[07:36] <CiPHER_> can someone help me get my sound working again on jaunty? It stopped working after I installed avant window manager
[07:37] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Right.  The standard way is to add the line "ath_pci" (without quotes) to /etc/modules
[07:37] <Soren_> felix, there is a bunch of 9.04 lines and one Xp line
[07:37] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: theres also other tweaks in the kernel that are groovy for servers, you can install the server kernel in the desktop release if you deem it suitable, but for home users the desktop release is much better suited
[07:38] <felix_> Soren_, pay attention to the numbers of the kernel that boots every line. delete the lowest
[07:38] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: That's what I wanted to know. So the difference between the two is not merely the lack of a GUI.
[07:38] <george_> I want to install libc6, It says the only dependency is libgcc1 w/out any version information.  Is there any other checks I can do to make sure it will work.
[07:38] <notdarkyet> ok so i opened the file /etc/modules should i just tack on ath_pci and the bottom?  too simple i love it
[07:38] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Now, I'll tell you one thing, I don't know the details of your exact card.  What I told you to do here was what could get it working the quickest.  It may be that the ath5k modules will work better with your particular card, and so you might consider installing them later (when you've slept it off a bit :)
[07:38] <notdarkyet> ahah
[07:39] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: But this should certainly work perfectly fine for now
[07:39] <notdarkyet> maybe
[07:39] <notdarkyet> i will test it out
[07:39] <george_> I'm installing from a deb to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.7
[07:39] <Soren_> ok........................
[07:39] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Anyway, yes.  Just take on ath_pci at the end of that file
[07:39] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: take=tack
[07:39] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: no, it comes with the server kernel which is more customised towards server systems that will sit at logon prompt and run a tonne of background stuff.   I got him working with ath_pci right now rather than ath5k though, and ath5k is allegedly the one that's supposed to be more up to date
[07:40] <BinMechMini> crackintosh: i was already aware of that.
[07:40] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I'm assuming that I couldn't install VLC without a GUI though right? even though it can run in CLI mode?
[07:40] <Soren_> so only keep Ubuntu 9.04 kernel <IP_ADDRESS> generic AND generic (recovery) ????????
[07:40] <RedSocrates> But I agree that, if it ain't broke, no real reason to fix it
[07:40] <crackintosh> BinMechMini: stupidity is in the 9.10 release of ubuntu.
[07:40] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: sure you can, a virtual x server will be spawned for the duration of the session
[07:40] <CiPHER_> Can someone help me get my sound working again on jaunty? It stopped working for no apparent reason?
[07:41] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: websearch for  vnc to headless pc
[07:41] <felix_> Soren_, and memtest86+
[07:41] <Soren_> k
[07:41] <Soren_> and XP
[07:41] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: a "virtual" X server? This is new to me, what's that?
[07:41] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: After you tack on the ath_pci line to /etc/modules, you can reboot and make sure that the wireless comes up.  If it doesn't, you can come back here and either I or someone will eventually keep working with you
[07:41] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: ok, googling, hold on
[07:41] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: if its configured right you can use ssh and web interfaces, x and vnc are a bit clunky
[07:41] <felix_> Soren_, personally i would erase that one...
[07:41] <notdarkyet> the only reason i wanted to pm was because i wanted to ask where you get this practical knowledge.  are you a linux admin or just hobbiest.  i bought the linux administrators guide a year ago (the green one) because i was told that was a good book.  sadly from programming and things like that i find its hard to find "practical" applications of tasks.  i feel like i learn the most from struggling to solve a task i need to accomplish
[07:41] <felix_> xD
[07:41] <Soren_> rofl
[07:42] <Soren_> I have Ubuntu 9.04 kernel <IP_ADDRESS> generic AND generic (recovery) AND memtest AND XP
[07:42] <felix_> cool
[07:42] <sysdoc> Is anyone using the RT kernel? Not the one in the repos but one from ppa and if so how can I obtain it?
[07:42] <Patrique> hi i need to setup runlevel priority list to run ushare at startup but only after i get connected to the internet, but i don't know what's runlevel priority list. i googled it and found nothing useful. Where could I find some documentation on this?
[07:42] <myke> anyone having samba (client) probs with jaunty, or know how to fix them?  i can connect but that's it, any actions just result in a timeout, with smbclient as well as direct mount
[07:42] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: I'm totally just a hobbyist, and a noob myself in a lot of areas.  I learned by struggling through problems and reading lots of guides
[07:43] <felix_> reboot to apply updates (it's necesary only because it have been a kernel update)
[07:43] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: I've had a few different experiences with Atheros wireless cards in particular
[07:43] <Soren_> so I am done?
[07:43] <felix_> reboot to apply updates (it's necesary only because it have been a kernel update)
[07:43] <Soren_> then I am done?
[07:43] <felix_> yes
[07:43] <Soren_> any you get a smoke
[07:43] <Soren_> WEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
[07:43] <felix_> youll have an up to date jaunty
[07:43]  * Soren_ dances
[07:43] <mobi-sheep> Soren_: You're never done.  Linux is [so] fun. :>
[07:43] <Soren_> mobi-sheep: lol
[07:44] <Soren_> brb, after a reboot
[07:44] <Soren_> it will auto update?
[07:44] <felix_> Soren_, whatch videos of compiz in youtube. next step is trying to install it. only for ninjas
[07:44] <felix_> lol
[07:44] <felix_> xD
[07:44] <crackintosh> BinMechMini: LOLOLOLOLOL
[07:44] <Soren_> for GRUB Editor, how do I exit? OK? Apply?
[07:45] <felix_> apply, ok
[07:45] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Also, I run Linux as my only OS, so that forces me to get acquainted with things from time to time
[07:45] <Soren_> felix_, I have no sound
[07:45] <JDD> hi
[07:45] <JDD> i've a problem with this mysql code
[07:45] <mase_work> hi guys, how can i get a changelog of schedualed updates. ie if i run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it gives me a list of the packages that are going to be upgraded. I would like a changelog for those so i know which ones are critical / security and which are  optional
[07:45] <JDD> http://pastebin.com/m4beb20b
[07:45] <notdarkyet> thats where i seem to be learning, like i feel as though i have learned the most recently from setting up a deb server with apache and putting the hard drives i back every thing up in in that box.  i just learned so much from networking between all of the pc's on my network now
[07:45] <JDD> plz take a look http://pastebin.com/m4beb20b
[07:45] <indus> whats the difference between hardy and jaunty  other than the LTS thing
[07:45] <felix_> Soren_, wait a moment please, i really need a cigar
[07:45] <JDD> i pay $$
[07:45] <Soren_> ok, I am restarting now,
[07:45] <JDD> http://pastebin.com/m4beb20b
[07:45] <Soren_> right?
[07:46] <Soren_> or wait
[07:46] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: it seems that it still requires the installation of X, hence a GUI. Sure, there might not be a videocard, but X is still installed and you can VNC in. So for my purposes, the differences become just the kernel tweaks you mentioned.
[07:46] <mase_work> indus: newer packages and about a year :)
[07:46] <felix_> Soren_, restart, perhaps sound fixes itsefl
[07:46] <JDD> remember remember the fifth of november
[07:46] <Soren_> ROFL
[07:46] <Soren_> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[07:46] <Soren_> brb
[07:46] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Yep, I do similar things.  It's fun to pick up projects (like setting up servers) for no reason other than to learn sometimes
[07:46] <george_> Does 8.04 take more resources than 6.10
[07:47] <ZacDavis> george_ not really, no
[07:47] <notdarkyet> well i have been an ubuntu user for about 3 years now and only go back to windows when its an absolute necessity. but the os is getting that good that you can implement everyday tasks without getting too crazy on the command line (but now i am getting into in and starting to enjoy)
[07:47] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: why do yuo need to use vnc, willssh not do what you need?
[07:47] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Well, glad to have you around. :)  I've only been around for maybe very slightly longer
[07:47] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: if its configuring shares and ftp servers, all that can be done via ssh
[07:48] <ZacDavis> what's the shortcut in xchat to go through people's nicks and auto insert them?
[07:48] <notdarkyet> yeah i feel like a dumbass though when i have to drop into irc and ask questions because i should be searching which i normally do, but the best answers come from the people who have been there (which i learned from android developement)
[07:48] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: VNC is simply if/when I need to run VLC directly on the server to test/troubleshoot the media I'm streaming.
[07:49] <mobi-sheep> ZacDavis: Just type mobi <tab>
[07:49] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I agree, anything else I need is done via SSH.
[07:49] <ZacDavis> mobi-sheep, thanks
[07:49] <mobi-sheep> ZacDavis: Welcome. :)
[07:49] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Haha, yeah, no problem.  People who've had the same issues know different ideas to try out when a guide might not work
[07:49] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I also think that if I try to apt-get vlc, it will automatically install X anyway.
[07:49] <myke> anyone know about smb problems with jaunty?
[07:49] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: you can use vlc at cli, cvlc
[07:49] <Soren_> back
[07:49] <ActionParsnip1> !info cvlc
[07:49] <ActionParsnip1> !find vlc
[07:50]  * Soren_ is silent like a ninja
[07:50] <simplexio> well. what i recall from my ubuntu-server use , installing vlc, may add X but it dosent configure it to automaticly start
[07:50] <ZacDavis> repositories need the latest version of gtk-gnutella
[07:50] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: have you considered mpd ?
[07:50] <simplexio> attleast it install alot libraries
[07:51] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: MPD deals only with audio streams, and I'm not sure how well it handles multicasting.
[07:51] <licky654> i'm having trouble installing ubuntu 8.04 from usb
[07:51] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: Or multiple streams at once. VLC's VLM is excellent for handling multiple streams, along with transcoding.
[07:51] <RedSocrates> notdarkyet: Anyway, I actually have to get going.  Glad we got things working for you relatively painlessly.  Good luck with it!
[07:51] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I'm pretty set on VLC. ;-)
[07:52] <notdarkyet> thanks man good luck
[07:52] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: maybe theres a server based streaming app that doesnt require an x server, this would suit a server bettew
[07:52] <RedSocrates> Thanks, see ya
[07:52] <licky654> it alllows me to select the language, then it fails to find the cdrom and kicks me to the main menu
[07:52] <ActionParsnip1> HorizonXP: if you want vlc, i would install a desktop, but its your call
[07:52] <wariskampar> how do i remove program icon from main menu
[07:52] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: I agree. And your suggestion for cvlc was a good one. but I'm not sure how to install JUST cvlc without having to install X.
[07:52] <myke> are you trying to run vlc from the console?
[07:52] <myke> i wouldn't
[07:53] <HorizonXP> ActionParsnip1: Yeah, I think that's what it boils down to.
[07:53] <ActionParsnip1> i gotta jet, work is getting frustrating, peace out kids
[07:53] <Titan8990> wariskampar, right click on the main menu -> edit menu
[07:53] <myke> it'll work but playback will be poor, you need the X server's hardware acceleration for smooth video playback
[07:53] <licky654> any ideas as to how i can continue?
[07:53] <HorizonXP> myke: I'm trying to use VLC to multicast media across a network. not playback on the local machine, it'd be a streaming server.
[07:53] <ZacDavis> licky654: nope
[07:54] <myke> HorizonXP: wouldn't you want video lan server (not client) ?
[07:54] <chris_> !dontzap
[07:54] <HorizonXP> myke: it's all within VLC.
[07:54] <TehFlash> hello
[07:54] <licky654> is that not normal for a usb install?
[07:55] <TehFlash> i installed xchat
[07:56] <licky654> am i doing something wrong
[07:56] <felix_> vdkbuilder2 does not open: http://paste.ubuntu.com/177731/
[07:56] <wariskampar> thanks titan8990
[07:57]  * Soren_ is silent like a ninja
[07:57] <felix_> Hi Soren_
[07:57] <Titan8990> wariskampar, np
[07:57] <Soren_> hi
[07:57] <shadeslayer> hi i cant seem to update..its stuck at 0% [Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)] [Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>  for the past 10 min
[07:57] <felix_> everything OK?
[07:58] <Soren_> laptop is also silent like a ninja
[07:58] <TehFlash> i used the drop down menu to add chat feature, but when i used command line for aptitude python doesnt appear in menu now like the xchat
[07:58] <Soren_> seems good
[07:58] <Soren_> ty
[07:58] <TehFlash> how do i know if it is installed
[07:58] <Soren_> ty ty ty ty
[07:58] <Patrique> how can i execute a script only after i get connected to the internet?
[07:59] <felix_> shadeslayer, open software origins, download from "other" and click Select best location
[07:59] <muse> type python and it shouold enter into the interactive prompt
[07:59] <shadeslayer> felix_: yeah..already on that ;)
[07:59] <TehFlash> thank you
[07:59] <licky654> is keeps trying to detect and mount the cdrom drive even though im using a usb flash drive
[07:59] <muse> np
[08:00] <felix_> i helped a lot of people tonite but no one could help me in any problem :(
[08:00] <muse> licky654: have you edited your fstab at all?
[08:00] <Titan8990> Patrique, set it up to execute on a higher run level than networking would be an easy way to do it
[08:00] <shadeslayer> btw has anyone got the Gaia 08 theme to work on ubuntu?
[08:00] <Soren_> felix, I can
[08:00] <felix_> lol
[08:00] <felix_> xD
[08:00] <muse> felix_: I find that all the time :(
[08:00] <Soren_> sttop smoking, get gum or the patch
[08:00]  * Soren_ is VERY helpful
[08:01] <shadeslayer> felix_: haha , no suitable location found :P
[08:01] <Patrique> and how do i know what's the run level of networking?
[08:01] <felix_> shadeslayer, thats odd
[08:01] <licky654> muse: do you mean fstab on the usb?
[08:01] <shadeslayer> felix_: i think i know where to find the problem...one sec
[08:02] <felix_> i dont know why you have connectivity to irc but no to any ubuntu server shadeslayer
[08:02] <shadeslayer> felix_: proxy settings are set to my workplace....im at home ;)
[08:02] <muse> licky654: no? pastebin your /etc/fstab.
[08:03] <shadeslayer> felix_: working now...thanks anyways
[08:03] <Soren_> felix, ty again
[08:03] <felix_> shadeslayer, my pleasure
[08:03] <Soren_> get some sleep
[08:03] <licky654> muse: from the installer shell?
[08:03] <shadeslayer> felix_: whats your problem btw?
[08:03] <maxagaz> how to have the list of the different commands provided by the package xpdf-common ?
[08:04] <Patrique> Titan8990: i found /etc/rc3.d/S50NetworkManager this is my network?
[08:04] <muse> licky654: nvm there is noway that you edited your fstab :)
[08:04] <Titan8990> maxagaz, dpkg -S xpdf-common
[08:04] <Titan8990> maxagaz, echo $PATH
[08:04] <Titan8990> Patrique, /etc/init.d/networking
[08:04] <shadeslayer> can i scan a windows drive on a seprate laptop from ubuntu using avast?
[08:05] <licky654> muse: then why would it keep looking for a cd-rom? i though usb install was pretty standard]
[08:05] <Elone> anyone can inspire me that how do i make ubuntu box to have function of router or ICS?
[08:05] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, if you could, it wouldn't be able to scan things such as registry keys
[08:05] <muse> Elone: ebox
[08:05] <muse> well that what I use
[08:05] <Kalmi> Elone, Network Manager has sharing functions
[08:05] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, which is why you would typically scan from safe mode, if you can't even get in to safe mode, reformat
[08:05] <maxagaz> how to know to which package does a command belong to ?
[08:06] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, you can see #windows for more info
[08:06] <Titan8990> maxagaz, apt-get install apt-file
[08:06] <felix_> shadeslayer, 1º vdkbuilder2 does not launch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/177731/ ; 2º problem with gpg keys http://paste.ubuntu.com/177743/
[08:06] <Patrique> Titan8990: how do i set my script too be run after this one then?
[08:06] <muse> licky654: they are pretty standard.. but I don't have much problems with them so I don't know how to fix it when they aren't working
[08:07] <shadeslayer> Titan8990: cant it be done via samba?? registry keys are not a problem
[08:07] <jonathon_> anyone know any low end muitplayer games for ubuntu
[08:07] <pintook> byeeeeeeeeeee
[08:07] <shadeslayer> !games > jonathon_
[08:07] <jonathon_> ohh thxs
[08:07] <licky654> muse: how do you create your usb installs? maybe i did it incorrectly.
[08:08] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, are you sure they are not a problem?? thats where malware keeps a lot of its bad stuff
[08:08] <shadeslayer> licky654: they are done via the USB installed
[08:08] <Elone> Kaimi, hmmmm how i don't see it
[08:08] <shadeslayer> *installer
[08:08] <Titan8990> Patrique, try something like this: update-rc.d foobar start 30 2 3 4 5 . stop 70 0 1 6 .
[08:08] <Titan8990> Patrique, man update-rc.d
[08:08] <licky654> hmm, i downloaded the normal iso and used a tutorial to install it
[08:08] <ZacDavis> Do you want to install it onto your USB drive or install it from there?
[08:08] <shadeslayer> Titan8990: yeah...ill be scanning the system with avast and then via ubuntu...just to make double sure
[08:08] <muse> licky654: system > administrator > usb startup creator
[08:09] <Patrique> Titan8990: thx i'll take a look
[08:09] <X3> clamav via ubuntu rocks
[08:09] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, i really have to say.... cleaning an infected windows machine from ubuntu is not very effective
[08:09] <ZacDavis> yeah, it won't do much
[08:09] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, those A/Vs are primarly used to scan files BEFORE sending them to windows clients
[08:09] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, email and file server
[08:10] <X3> I did it more than once and always worked
[08:10] <X3> clamav kills the infected areas disabling the threat
[08:10] <rashed2020> Does PAM authentication mean the app uses the system's usernames and passwords?
[08:10] <shadeslayer> Titan8990: ok,got your point...but some of the viruses detected by ubuntu were not detected by avast on windows
[08:10] <Soren__> youtube wanted a flashplayer, adobe gave me the file, but I go t a popup saying it was old and not supported
[08:10] <licky654> muse: does that just iuse the current install to create a disk or can i allocate an iso
[08:11] <muse> licky654: you have to have an iso to use it
[08:11] <Kalmi> Soren__,  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <Titan8990> shadeslayer, malwarebytes anti-malware has been by far the most effective tool for me
[08:11] <Soren__> ty
[08:11] <X3> shadeslayer, Like I said clamav does do a good job though theres no 100% perfect solution to any AV's
[08:11] <kilior> sudo modprobe ipv6
[08:11] <kilior> FATAL: Module ipv6 not found
[08:11] <shadeslayer> Titan8990: ill keep that in mind
[08:12] <Titan8990> kilior, modprobe -l  will list all available modules
[08:12] <licky654> there is no usb startup creator under admin
[08:12] <shadeslayer> X3: true....but i have avast installed as well ;)
[08:12] <X3> from windows I have to say norton anti bot (please dont flame me) does a great job on running tasks
[08:13] <muse> licky654: what release ubuntu do you have
[08:13] <Titan8990> kilior, would be willing to bet ipv6 is built in to the kernel and not compiled as a module
[08:13] <licky654> 9.04
[08:13] <histo> !flash | shadeslayer
[08:13] <shadeslayer> histo: ??
[08:13] <licky654> i want to remove it, and install 8.04 via usb
[08:13] <histo> shadeslayer: whoops wrong person though you where talking bout flash
[08:13] <shadeslayer> licky654: i dont think 8.04 has support for USB
[08:13] <histo> !flash > Soren__
[08:14] <X3> shadeslayer, well each person uses whatever av they prefer best I never used avast on my machines and the solutions I use coupled with the tricks I use works pretty well
[08:14] <muse> licky654: it should be there? Look again.
[08:14] <TheNano> ubottu: How do I creat bootable usb
[08:14] <Soren_> what did I do wrong, now? ""/home/greg/Desktop/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso could not be saved, because the source file could not be read Try again later, or contact the server administrator."
[08:14] <kilior> I find CONFIG_IPV6=y in /boot/config....
[08:14] <Kalmi> rmmod ipv6
[08:14] <Kalmi> ERROR: Module ipv6 does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:14] <histo> !usb > TheNano
[08:14] <Soren_> I do not see a PM
[08:14] <histo> !flash | Soren_
[08:15] <X3> shadeslayer, I rename the guest account and the descriptions as admin account and lock and disable it and the admin account is guest
[08:15] <Soren_> offline mode
[08:15] <licky654> muse: it's not there
[08:15] <X3> any trojan will alwasys look for admin rights
[08:15] <X3> or virus whatever
[08:16] <muse> !usb > licky654
[08:16] <kilior> I want enable ipv6 tunnel in 9.04. it can't work,but it works in fc10.
[08:16] <shadeslayer> X3: pretty confusing...
[08:16] <TheNano> licky654: you have seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[08:16] <shadeslayer> anyone get the gaia theme for ubuntu??
[08:17] <X3> since they find the admin account which is really a renamed pass protected and decription as admin account it cant proceed
[08:17] <X3> I bet you knew that anyways
[08:17] <X3> brb
[08:18] <ubuntu_> hola a todos
[08:18] <muse> licky654: installing usb-creator is the next step if you don't have it in your menu.. I didn't know what the name of the package was until I read the above linked page
[08:19] <shadeslayer> !info usb-creator | licky654
[08:20] <kilior> ......
[08:20] <ZacDavis> man, trying to get ubuntu to natively use windows shit is a pain
[08:20] <muse> that's why I don't do it? :P
[08:21] <muse> licky654: why do you want to downgrade to 8.04 anyway?
[08:21] <coz_> ZacDavis,  which windows stuff?
[08:21] <ZacDavis> coz_: oh, everything
[08:22] <ZacDavis> .net, directx
[08:22] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, thats why you should use linux apps in linux
[08:22] <ZacDavis> lol
[08:22] <ZacDavis> im just trying something
[08:22] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, if you need directx and .net, use windows....
[08:22] <coz_> ZacDavis,  well its not really possible to make it run natively unless you recode it  but you can use wine  or crossover office
[08:22] <muse> huh? directx in linux?
[08:22] <TheNano> ZacDavis: you can make .net work , by wine scripts, but not directx
[08:22] <superfly__> nope
[08:22] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, and btw, the linux implementation of .net is called mono
[08:22] <ZacDavis> no, I'm trying to code it into the system
[08:23] <ryanprior> muse: Wine has a DirectX implementation for Linux. It's not great for performance yet, but it can run lots of DirectX apps.
[08:23] <coz_> ZacDavis,  well again you would have to completely rewrite it
[08:23] <ZacDavis> i know
[08:23] <Titan8990> I personally don't understand the reason for making linux behave like windows
[08:23] <kilior> if ipv6 is  built in kernel, why can't enable ipv6 tunnel?
[08:23] <coz_> ZacDavis,  oh ok :)
[08:23] <Soren_> flash still not working for FireFox
[08:23] <Titan8990> anyone care to explain?
[08:23] <muse> ryanprior: hm.. I was not aware..
[08:23] <coz_> Titan8990,  I have no idea
[08:23] <ZacDavis> it's not the "behave-like"
[08:23] <ZacDavis> it's the "I neeeeeed outlook fags"
[08:23] <coz_> Titan8990,  I dont see the appeal myself other than i personally would like a few apps made only for windows run onlinux
[08:24] <stuk_gen> hi,
[08:24] <stuk_gen> can anybody help me with problem with wget?
[08:24] <muse> ZacDavis: try virtualbox?
[08:24] <ryanprior> muse: They just started DirectX 10 compliance efforts. DirectX 9 is getting pretty close to completion. There's a lot to do performance-wise, but they're always making small improvements there.
[08:24] <superfly__> install medibuntu repos and install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:24] <coz_> ZacDavis,  do you even know what that last statement means?
[08:24] <Soren_> flash is still not working for FireFox
[08:24] <coz_> stuk_gen,  not sure what is the problem
[08:24] <puremichael> hi. i've got a very high load (>5) during file copy operations, but the cpu only is at <10% - anything wrong configured?
[08:24] <ryanprior> ZacDavis: Abusive language is not tolerated here. Please keep in mind that we are volunteers.
[08:24] <licky654> now when i try to create a usb startup it says unable to determine the partition number!
[08:24] <ZacDavis> what last statement?
[08:24] <ZacDavis> oh okay sorry
[08:24] <Na1386> #ubuntu
[08:25] <Titan8990> puremichael, copy operations are typically bottlenecked at the rw speed of the drive, not the CPU
[08:25] <coz_> stuk_gen,  what are you trying to download? link?
[08:25] <ZacDavis> basically, a couple of people i know want to migrate to linux with the exception of typing anything in a command line ever
[08:25] <ZacDavis> and outlook
[08:26] <Soren_> youtube - flash plugin is still not working for FireFox
[08:26] <puremichael> Titan8990, but should if affect the whole system so that almost nothing reacts to input?
[08:26] <ZacDavis> so I'm trying to get ubuntu to basically run it out of the box
[08:26] <coz_> ZacDavis,  well things like outlook and office can be run with wine or crossover office
[08:26] <stuk_gen> coz_: the problem is...i want downaload some file contain in the directory, i use wget -m url/folder but wget create a inde.html for every folder and icon...i want only file contain in that folder how ?
[08:26] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, they don't really need outlooks unless the need some groupware specific features from an exchange server
[08:26] <shadeslayer> Soren_: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras ??
[08:26] <ZacDavis> they use exchange
[08:26] <ryanprior> Titan8990: If you want really fast copy operations, you should use a ramdisk or copy-on-write or something.
[08:26] <coz_> stuk_gen,  do you have a link for that?
[08:26] <ZacDavis> is crossover free?
[08:26] <coz_> stuk_gen,  or am I missunderstanding
[08:27] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, MUAs like evolution and thunderbird can still interact with the POP, IMAP, and SMTP implementations of exchange
[08:27] <Soren_> shadeslayer: how
[08:27] <ryanprior> ZacDavis: Crossover is not free but it's reasonably priced. Evolution is also Exchange-compatible.
[08:27] <muse> ryanprior: last time I tried wine I could get like 1 game working.. and it was the one that they were showing to have had working.. the rest took weeks to get running at reasonable speeds. Prehaps I should give it a try again.
[08:27] <shadeslayer> Soren_: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:27] <coz_> ZacDavis,  not ususually but you can get the lame duck  release which is free for one day but it is avaiable in torrent download
[08:27] <Soren_> yess, but I will try again
[08:27] <shadeslayer> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | Soren_
[08:27] <Titan8990> puremichael, if it is maxing the rw speed of the drive, possibly
[08:28] <ryanprior> muse: Check out their AppDB. People maintain progress reports on all kinds of software and you can get tips on how to get better performance many times, whether it's file tweaks or registry tweaks or using a few native DLLs or whatever.
[08:28] <puremichael> hmm
[08:28] <ZacDavis> ryanprior: I'll have to test evolution for exchange, some people are so set in their ways, though, so IDK.
[08:28] <puremichael> 10mb/s don't seem to be maximun ;-)
[08:28] <stuk_gen> coz: explain....in a server i have folder this contain file1 and file2....i want have the exact copy of folder in my pc...but if i try wget -m urlsite/folder, wget create folder/file1 file2 and index.html and folder icon
[08:28] <coz_> ZacDavis,   I might have it here hold on
[08:28] <TheNano> ZacDavis: It is not that expensive and works fine for your need, they should buy it I spouse,
[08:28] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, if they are set in there ways, they probably won't adopt linux very well
[08:28] <muse> ryanprior: hmm.. does it compare to running on windows directly yet?
[08:28] <ryanprior> ZacDavis: If your employees are absolutely set in their ways, you either need to give them the software they're familiar with or fire them. >.>
[08:29] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, I don't care what anyone says, Linux is a 'niche' distro that is not enjoyed by everyone
[08:29] <ZacDavis> not my employees^
[08:29] <Soren_> looks a bit different this time. ty
[08:29] <rashed2020> Guys, is does PAM Authentication mean the application I'm using can use the system's usernames and passwords?
[08:29] <shadeslayer> ZacDavis: something for you to oogle at ;) http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Who+Needs+Windows+7+%3F?content=105399
[08:29] <Titan8990> rashed2020, yes, if that is how PAM is configured (default)
[08:30] <ryanprior> muse: With some programs it's great. At times, benchmarkers have reported better CS:Source performance on Wine than on Windows. For many programs (including my favorite, Warcraft 3) the DirectX performance is lousy. Luckily for me, Warcraft 3 also has an OpenGL rendering mode.
[08:30] <rashed2020> Titan8990: So if ejabberd uses PAM authentication, that means I don't have to create and maintain another set of usernames?
[08:30] <unikon> speaking of virtualbox would i be able to keep xp running in virtualbox without having to  restart it everytime
[08:30] <Titan8990> rashed2020, correct
[08:30] <rashed2020> Great, thanks.
[08:30] <oladejo> hello
[08:30] <ryanprior> unikon: Trick question, XP needs to be restarted all the time anyhow.
[08:30] <X3> which xchat versin can I get for jaunty that has the perform options atm I have what on synaptic
[08:31] <shadeslayer> X3: get irssi...its awesome
[08:31] <X3> but theres no gui
[08:31] <muse> ryanakca: maybe I should give it a try again.. I personally like diablo2 and gta3.. :D but we are now getting ot.
[08:31] <ryanprior> X3: I'm a fan of Chatzilla.
[08:31] <unikon> ugh like reinstalling everytime right ryanprior
[08:31] <llf> hi
[08:31] <Titan8990> chatzilla is terribad
[08:31] <stuk_gen> coz: explain....in a server i have folder this contain file1 and file2....i want have the exact copy of folder in my pc...but if i try wget -m urlsite/folder, wget create folder/file1 file2 and index.html and folder icon i wouldnt this index.html and icon folder generate from wget...how can i resolve?
[08:31] <Titan8990> its only good in a pinch IMO
[08:32] <X3> shadeslayer,  is there a gui for irssi
[08:32] <shadeslayer> X3: who needs it?? youll fall in love with it once you start using it
[08:32] <ryanprior> X3: The GUI is called a virtual terminal.
[08:32] <shadeslayer> X3: fortunately no ;)
[08:32] <X3> meh thats the problem I wouldnt even know where to start
[08:32] <ryanprior> X3: Quassel is becoming popular among people who like nice GUI clients, though.
[08:32] <Titan8990> X3, irssi is very well documented
[08:32] <shadeslayer> X3: quite simple actually.../connect <server> and thats it
[08:32] <mne> Hi. I'm still on ubuntu intrepid. Last night I installed the latest upgrade and now audacious is looking strange and is unuseable. With "strange" I mean that it has a large bar over its user-interface that shouldn't be there
[08:32] <Titan8990> X3, I only use it for when I ssh home to get on IRC though, xchat otherwise
[08:32] <coz_> ZacDavis,  try this   http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/132551/install-crossover-pro-7.1.0.sh
[08:33] <X3> well I found a xhat version a while back that had everything but Icant findit anymore
[08:33] <ZacDavis> coz_: k
[08:34] <coz_> ZacDavis,  I assume you know how to run that?
[08:34] <X3> Titan8990,  yea but my jaunty synaptic xchat has not perform actionss when connect etc
[08:34] <ryanprior> muse: If you'd like to discuss gaming, feel free to join me in #ubuntu-gaming :-)
[08:34] <ZacDavis> coz_: yes, lol
[08:34] <Titan8990> X3, such as?
[08:34] <X3> identify
[08:34] <X3> ghost
[08:34] <coz_> ZacDavis,  is that downloaded already? i want to delete it
[08:34] <X3> the ususals
[08:34] <ryanprior> X3: lern 2 irc
[08:35] <Titan8990> X3, should be network list -> edit
[08:35] <X3> lemme lpook
[08:35] <ZacDavis> coz_: yeah, i got it
[08:35] <muse> ryanprior: ha.. I didn't even know there was a #ubuntu-gaming. :) maybe some other time... Im actually supposed to be doing some work.
[08:35] <unikon>  what other options are there besides http://www.virtualbox.org/ for linux
[08:35] <ryanprior> muse: Okay, see you around.
[08:35] <X3> is is what a dumb ass I am sometimes
[08:35] <X3> lol
[08:35] <jim4ever> 大家好
[08:36] <Titan8990> ryanprior, can't say its not a PITA to change nick, identify, and join 5 channels without an application or irssi script
[08:36] <muse> ok cheers
[08:36] <peaches> whats the process name of the Add/Remove program to run it from command line?
[08:36] <ryanprior> Titan8990: Every IRC client worth using is scriptable to some degree.
[08:36] <shadeslayer> !cn | jim4ever
[08:36] <Kalmi> X3, Titan8990: what you are looking for xchat-gnome
[08:36] <Boohbah> Titan8990: it's very easy to autojoin and auto-identify in irssi
[08:37] <Titan8990> Kalmi, the version without gnome support also has it, its just located differently
[08:37] <X3> kalmi not using the gnome froontend
[08:37] <A_dan> ubottu: is bot?
[08:37] <jim4ever> ubottu: thank you
[08:37] <jim4ever> shadeslayer: thanks
[08:37] <shadeslayer> jim4ever: no problem
[08:38] <shadeslayer> arghh.... i hate it when i cant find the icon theme
[08:39] <jim4ever> my english is poor,but I have a question
[08:39] <X3> shadeslayer,  your the guy from xbmc?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> does anyone here have a icon theme for gaia??
[08:39] <Munim> jim4ever, give it a shot. practise makes perfect :)
[08:39] <shadeslayer> X3: you mean #iquik?? yes..
[08:39] <X3> I have a massive icon theme for all sorts but its massive on lappy
[08:39] <X3> lol
[08:39] <ZacDavis> why do i get command not found
[08:39] <X3> yea
[08:40] <shadeslayer> X3: massive on an XPS.....your kidding right ;)
[08:40] <X3> durh my brain is mash
[08:40] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, you are A) running a command that doesn't exist B) running a command not in your $PATH C) spelled it wrong
[08:40] <degot> Hi, all. How can i find the reason, why my ubuntu-server suddenly turned off?   P.S. Sorry for my bad English
[08:40] <Kalmi> Titan8990, I didn't know that... thanks... I was always joining channels manually :)
[08:40] <ZacDavis> i'll go with C
[08:40] <shadeslayer> degot: system logs
[08:40] <Titan8990> Kalmi, np :)
[08:41] <jim4ever> I delele the  directory /var/lib/dpkg/,What must I do now ?
[08:41] <ryanprior> degot: Plenty readable, no problem. Read your system logs for clues. If you want to show some logs to us for more help, use !pastebin.
[08:41] <X3> you know I still cant find anyone with the time to do the linux framwork to get xbmc on laptops replacing dell media direct nd things like hp quickplay etc
[08:41] <X3> that project is on hold hold
[08:41] <degot> ryanprior: syslog shows nothing
[08:41] <Titan8990> jim4ever, why would you do that?
[08:41] <Munim> degot, did it just turn off or did the system crash with some errors?
 : there is nothing in syslog
[08:42] <shadeslayer> X3: not even in #xpud?? unfourtunately im still in the learning curve :)
[08:42] <ryanprior> degot: Okay. Is this crash reproducible in any way? Does it happen every few hours?
[08:42] <degot> just turned off without any errors
[08:42] <X3> xpud is not suitable
[08:42] <X3> minimum gentoo
[08:42] <degot> it happend twice  during last month
[08:42] <stuk_gen> mmm i think there isnt a solution to dont create a inde.html icon folder...i have delete theme manually after...:(
[08:43] <shadeslayer> X3: theyre going to kiick us for being ot
[08:43] <ZacDavis> Titan8990: C was correct
[08:43] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, :)
[08:43] <Munim> degot, if you computer just turned off, you probably have a hardware problem
[08:43] <X3> join #iQuik
[08:43] <Titan8990> ZacDavis, you can use tab completion for commands, helps not to spell things wrong
[08:44] <X3> well in fact we not completly ot we talking about finding help in a linux matter
[08:44] <Munim> degot, i suggest checking your computer's power supply and cooling systems.
[08:44] <Titan8990> X3, #linux
[08:44] <ryanprior> degot: Is a heat issue or connection issue possible? Do you have a good power supply?
[08:44] <degot> Munim: i don`t think so.. because before 9.04 , i`ve used 8.10 ... and uptime was 3 months on the same hardware
[08:44] <jim4ever> because my apt-get locked，and I want to remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock,But I made a mistake
[08:44] <Titan8990> X3, plenty of OT flies there too....
[08:44] <Titan8990> jim4ever, that is there for a reason, so you don't run multiple instances of the package manager
[08:44] <Munim> degot, so the problem starting occuring right after you upgraded to 9.04?
[08:45] <EmeryT> Hi all. I have problem with web browsters (Ubuntu 9.04). My cpu is Sempron 2800+ (1,8 GHz) and when i open flash game or something at YT  my cpu usage is about 100%. Can anybody solve this problem?
[08:45] <Munim> EmeryT, what flash player do you use?
[08:45] <shadeslayer> any idea on a tool to create a icon theme ??
[08:45] <ryanprior> EmeryT: Flash is very buggy and there's not much we can do. Sorry.
[08:45] <degot> Munim: yes, i think .. i`ve made clean install of 9.04  month ago
[08:45] <Titan8990> jim4ever, guessing aptitude is not working at all now?
[08:45] <EmeryT> ah
[08:45] <jim4ever> yes ， I kown ，and I
[08:45] <ryanprior> shadeslayer: in #ubuntu-artwork we use The GIMP and Inkscape
[08:45] <EmeryT> its no good
[08:46] <ZacDavis> Titan8990: I missed some capitalization.
[08:46] <Munim> degot, hmm. still.. chances are you have a hardware problem. there could be some issue with 9.04 too.. but i can't help you. sorry.
[08:46] <|ntegra|> I'm reading http://www.ubuntugeek.com/tip-getting-your-webcam-to-work-in-ubuntu.html and have followed the instructions there with no luck , what would you do to get this webcam working? , lsmod http://paste.ubuntu.com/177763/ dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/177765/
[08:46] <Titan8990> jim4ever, try running apt-get update
[08:46] <ryanprior> EmeryT: Some Flash programs run in the Gnash plugin, but it is incomplete and so many Flash apps will not run.
[08:47] <Munim> EmeryT, you can try the non-free flash plugin from Adobe. thats less buggy
[08:47] <ryanprior> |ntegra|: To be honest, the best solution is usually buying a new webcam known to work well with Ubuntu.
[08:47] <degot> Thx
[08:47] <ryanprior> |ntegra|: Webcams are notoriously poorly supported.
[08:47] <hskill> does gnome-terminal use the terminfo db to get it's color information?
[08:47] <EmeryT> ok munim and ryan thx:D
[08:47] <jim4ever> Titan8990: I do that , But still the same
[08:47] <|ntegra|> ryanprior: no chance of that
[08:48] <Titan8990> jim4ever, what kind of error are you getting?
[08:48] <shadeslayer> ryanprior: mine is working....
[08:48] <Yuri_N> Hi all, I'm still running FeistyFawn, and need to install one package, however package binaries for FeistyFawn are gone...  Do you know if there are archives with old releases available?
[08:49] <ryanprior> |ntegra|: In that case, you should read through our webcam docs and see if you can find anything helpful.
[08:49] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know where i can get the icontool deb?
[08:49] <shadeslayer> Yuri_N: old releases have a different link
[08:49] <ryanprior> !webcam | |ntegra|
[08:49] <pace_t_zulu> !icontool
[08:49] <|ntegra|> shadeslayer: did it work out-of-the-box? did you have to make adjustments?
[08:49] <shadeslayer> Yuri_N: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[08:49] <shadeslayer> |ntegra|: out of the box
[08:49] <ryanprior> shadeslayer: Yeah, we've got a bunch that work now, but there are *so many* webcams out there that don't follow any kind of intelligible standard and have weird behaviours.
[08:49] <|ntegra|> woosh
[08:49] <Yuri_N> shadeslayer, thanks a lot!
[08:50] <shadeslayer> ryanprior: i think mine is a creative model..not sure though
[08:51] <unohu> how can i start my computer from latest ubuntu cd?
[08:51] <ryanprior> shadeslayer: I think Creative are usually pretty good with Linux support. X-Fi has been a nightmare, but we're finally seeing some improvement there as well.
[08:51] <|ntegra|> ...mine's "close" to working (from the looks of my lsusb, dmesg, and lsmod) but I'm pretty sure I'll have to reload/leave-out some module or other
[08:51] <shadeslayer> ryanprior: yeah some people are complaining about x-fi....
[08:51] <ryanprior> unohu: Download the latest ISO, burn it to the CD (using the special "burn ISO" method, not the normal method) and then reboot your computer with that CD in the drive.
[08:52] <Gamarok__> guys can any of you help me out here i am unable to use  any package manager heres the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/177769/
[08:52] <ryanprior> shadeslayer: I predict that we'll have x-fi support out of the box in either 9.10 or 10.04
[08:52] <shadeslayer> ryanprior: devel??
[08:52] <ikonia> Gamarok__: looks like you already have a session running
[08:52] <unohu> ryanprior: i have the latest iso..
[08:52] <ikonia> Gamarok__: how are you trying to open the package manager ?
[08:52] <unohu> ryanprior: then send me in mail
[08:52] <ZacDavis> Gamarok__: yeah, another program is using that
[08:53] <ZacDavis> Gamarok__: have you tried just rebooting?
[08:53] <ryanprior> unohu: Did you buy some CDs? Or request one from ShipIt?
[08:53] <unohu> ryanprior: shipit
[08:53] <shadeslayer> ikonia: !apt-fix ??
[08:53] <Gamarok__> guys i know we get this error when we try and launch anothe session but that's not the case i have even rebooted once
[08:53] <ikonia> shadeslayer: what ?
[08:54] <shadeslayer> ikonia: i meant giving Gamarok__ that factoid
[08:54] <ikonia> Gamarok__: ok thats fine, so it means something has a lock on it, did your machine crash
[08:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer: do what you feel is right to help someone
[08:54] <unohu> ryanprior: i install ubuntu, then windows.. now no unbuntu
[08:54] <ikonia> Gamarok__: or "has" your machine crashed or exited unexpectedly recently
[08:55] <livingdaylight> !hola Ubunteros!
[08:55] <shadeslayer> !aptfix | Gamarok__
[08:55] <Gamarok__> nope i just switched it after an update and this has been happening since then
[08:55] <ryanprior> unohu: Ah, yeah, Windows tends to install itself over Ubuntu or, at the least, screw up your boot loader.
[08:55] <livingdaylight> heard compiz has a wallpaper plugin that allows assigning of different wallpapers per workspace, anyone know how and where that's done?
[08:55] <ryanprior> !grub | unohu
[08:55] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, its inside ccsm
[08:55] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, called "wallpaper"
[08:55] <cyberjorge> anyone can help in calibrating my touchscreen in Xorg?
[08:55] <ikonia> Gamarok__: you just "switched it" - switched what ?
[08:55]  * livingdaylight thanks Titan8990 and goes in search
[08:56] <Titan8990> !ccsm | livingdaylight
[08:56] <Gamarok__> switched my pc off and the above fix did work thaks guys
[08:56] <shadeslayer> livingdaylight: ps you need to kill nautilus to get that working
[08:56] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, ccsm has a search utility built in so it shouldn't be too hard to find
[08:56] <livingdaylight> shadeslayer: kill nautilus? can you say more please
[08:56] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, also not sure about shadeslayer's comment, I used XFCE.....
[08:57] <shadeslayer> livingdaylight: you are trying to get 4 diff wallpaers right?
[08:57] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: found it
[08:57] <livingdaylight> shadeslayer: exactly
[08:57] <unohu> ryanprior: can i boot to ununtu install form livecd?
[08:57] <livingdaylight> shadeslayer: but not at the cost of nautilus
[08:57] <livingdaylight> shadeslayer: i kinda need nautilus, :p
[08:58] <shadeslayer> livingdaylight: well after you set the 4 wallpapers in ccsm open gconf-editor > apps > nautilus > pref > set desktop > uncheck it
[08:58] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, you could try replacing it with thunar, not sure how well that would work though
[08:58] <shadeslayer> livingdaylight: i meant kill it temporarily ;)
[08:58] <ryanprior> unohu: You sure can. Just reboot with the CD in the tray.
[08:59] <livingdaylight> shadeslayer: ok, why and more importantly how?
[08:59] <unohu> ryanprior: how ? it boots to livecd
[09:00] <shadeslayer> livingdaylight: just follow the things i said above gconf-editor > ... youll lose the icons on the desktop...but nautilus will run
[09:00] <ryanprior> unohu: there will be an "install" button on the desktop, and an "install" option in GRUB. However, you can probably follow the instructions Ubottu sent you to recover your existing Ubuntu install.
[09:00] <unohu> ryanprior: no...
[09:01] <unohu> ryanprior: i installed ubuntu already..
[09:01] <unohu> ryanprior: i dont want grub
[09:01] <unohu> ryanprior: i want boot to existing install from cd
[09:01] <Wicks_> ubuntuers: anyone know how to change the grub menu at the start of a liveusb? (livecd)
[09:01] <|ntegra|> unohu: you NEED grub
[09:01] <ryanprior> unohu: Grub is a system loader which lets you boot Ubuntu or Windows. When Windows installed, it probably wiped out Grub. To get your extant install back, you may need to configure grub again.
[09:02] <tank-man> you can use lilo as an alternative
[09:02] <unohu> ryanprior: cant the livecd boot into existing install ?
[09:02] <ryanprior> unohu: You can't boot to an existing install from the CD, the CD just lets you boot to a Live desktop.
[09:02] <unohu> ryanprior: are you sure ?
[09:02] <ryanprior> unohu: Positive.
[09:02] <unohu> ryanprior: you are wrong
[09:03] <tank-man> lol
[09:03] <gaelfx1> hey, how do I set it up so that my computer doesn't go to screensaver while I'm using flash?
[09:03] <unohu> ryanprior: i seen people boot existing system from livecd
[09:04] <ozzmosis> gaelfx1: Flash should probably be disabling the screensaver, like mplayer does
[09:04] <tank-man> boot from harddrive on boot menu -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mainboot.png
[09:04] <ryanprior> unohu: The CD contains a read-only live Ubuntu image, and when you install it copies most of that image to your hard drive. That is the "installed" copy. When you boot from the CD, you get a desktop that is similar to the installed copy, but it is not on your hard drive and is read-only.
[09:04] <gaelfx1> ozzmosis: I'm trying to watch something in flash right now, but it keeps going to screensaver
[09:04] <ozzmosis> gaelfx1: complain to Adobe, I guess
[09:05] <ryanprior> unohu: You can mount your hard drive as read-write from a live desktop and access files from your existing system. That is a common strategy for recovering broken systems.
[09:05] <myke> gaelfx1: disable screensaver
[09:05] <ozzmosis> gaelfx1: unless you've already disabled the screensaver and it's still turning on ?
[09:05] <unohu> ryanprior: so you say cant boot to exising from cd ?
[09:05] <tank-man> unohu -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mainboot.png
[09:05] <ryanprior> unohu: Nope, the only way to boot from an installed system is to boot from the hard drive.
[09:05] <unohu> ryanprior: you are wrong...
[09:06] <ozzmosis> ryanprior: I thought there's a "Boot from first hard drive" option on the first menu of the install CD
[09:06] <ozzmosis> in fact that screenshot proves it
[09:06] <Paddy_EIRE> ozzmosis: that is not what you think
[09:06] <ryanprior> ozzmosis: Sure, but if he doesn't have Grub installed, that'll just launch into Windows.
[09:06] <dupondje> Somebody has any id why the max volume in ubuntu is way lower then it was before in windows ?
[09:06] <tank-man> then try maybe the other options at the bottom
[09:07] <mikechelen> dupondje, check if other sliders such as pcm audio are set low
[09:07] <Paddy_EIRE> ozzmosis: that is simply to tell it not to boot from the cd and to continue booting the first hard drive.. you still need a working bootloader
[09:07] <ryanprior> ozzmosis: What that says is "don't use the CD to boot", so when you choose that option, you are electing not to boot from the CD>
[09:07] <X3> dupondje, maybe your audio drivers
[09:07] <Paddy_EIRE> !grub | ozzmosis
[09:07] <overrider> I am trying to create a live ubuntu install using the http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/ Guide; but when wanting to boot, it just says cannot find kernel image. There is not much to do wrong so, could it be that some USB sticks simply hate booting?
[09:07] <Paddy_EIRE> !usb | overrider
[09:08] <unohu> ryanprior: so you are sure cant boot to existing install from cd ?
[09:08] <Paddy_EIRE> overrider: try and use officially supported documentation
[09:08] <tank-man> you have to pass kernel options from the livecd like root=/dev/sda5 or whatever to boot from the drive without grub
[09:08] <unohu> tank-man: yes...
[09:09] <dupondje> mikechelen:  they are @ max :(
[09:09] <ryanprior> unohu: The CD gives you the option to boot into a live system. If you choose not to boot into the live system, it will use the hard drive to boot, and if Windows has installed its own boot loader, you won't be able to boot into your installed Ubuntu system.
[09:09] <dupondje> X3: any way to fix them ?
[09:09] <X3> anyone recommend any good 3rd party sources for jaunty
[09:09] <unohu> tank-man: but why does ubunthu hode that option ?
[09:09] <ryanprior> unohu: In order to recover the ability to boot into your installed Ubuntu system, you need to follow the instructions to set up GRUB again.
[09:09] <unohu> *hide
[09:09] <Guest24135> hi..
[09:09] <unohu> ryanprior: you are wrong
[09:09] <ryanprior> Guest24135: Welcome.
[09:09] <tank-man> maybe cause you have to type it cause it is custom for each system
[09:09] <unohu> ryanprior: tank-man is right
[09:09] <Guest24135> need to completely uninstall pulse audio and replace with Alsa..
[09:09] <mikechelen> dupondje, are there any additional sliders to enable? this varies by sound card
[09:09] <Guest24135> Anybody help?
[09:09] <Guest24135> using Ubuntu Jaunty
[09:10] <tank-man> every one might have different partition setup
[09:10] <X3> dupondje, depends on you OS depends on the drivers look at control panel check is everything is working fine and you not uncheked sommint
[09:10] <Guest24135> playback in cinelerra doesn't produce any sound
[09:10] <mechdave> !ask | Guest24135
[09:10] <ryanprior> unohu: I didn't know you could do that. Pretty neat. I guess it uses the LiveCD's grub to launch the rest of the boot process.
[09:10] <ozzmosis> ryanprior: you're making it sound like you need GRUB installed to boot Ubuntu, which doesn't sound right to me.
[09:10] <unohu> tank-man: right.. but why dont they give a boot options line ?
[09:10] <dupondje> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[09:10] <mikechelen> Guest24135, is it possible to tell cinelerra to use a different sound system?
[09:10] <dupondje> its not that is a crap audio card ;)
[09:10] <Paddy_EIRE> ozzmosis: well not having grub installed is like trying to ice skate uphill
[09:10] <Guest24135> yes
[09:11] <Guest24135> ESound
[09:11] <ryanprior> ozzmosis: Well, if you're using tank-man's method, you're still using Grub, just a Live GRUB rather than an installed one.
[09:11] <ZacDavis> Paddy_EIRE: no
[09:11] <Kenubuntu> hi all
[09:11] <tank-man> unohu, im not currently a ubuntu user so I dont know what is or isnt on the live cd
[09:11] <Guest24135> But it is not outputting sound..
[09:11] <Paddy_EIRE> ZacDavis: yes
[09:11] <Guest24135> any type of driver is not producing any sound..
[09:11] <X3> Guest24135, try a dif decoder
[09:11] <Kenubuntu> i need help how to uninstall bacula
[09:11] <ryanprior> ozzmosis: Any boot loader can load Ubuntu, even the Windows boot loader, but you've got to have some sort of loader.
[09:11] <mikechelen> Guest24135, try asking in #cinelerra or check out ubuntu studio edition
[09:11] <dupondje> everything is just @ max :(
[09:11] <Guest24135> i just want to completly remove pulse audio
[09:12] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: some people take a while for this to sink in
[09:12] <mikechelen> dupondje, are there additional sliders to enable?
[09:12] <Guest24135> and use alsa as sound driver.
[09:12] <Guest24135> then it will definitly work
[09:12] <ryanprior> Guest24135: That's probably not necessary. You can just switch your sound system to ALSA instead.
[09:12] <Guest24135> how to do that?
[09:12] <dupondje> mikechelen:  enabled them :p
[09:12] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: I'm feeling pretty patient. ;-)
[09:12] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[09:13] <Guest24135> switching sound to alsa in cinelerra is also isn't working
[09:13] <oladejo> kenubuntu: on what OS ?platform
[09:13] <simion314> hi, where can i change the window behaviour  when double clicking the title bar and using compiz, in wich section in ccsm?
[09:13] <ryanprior> Guest24135: System -> Preferences -> Sound works for me
[09:14] <Guest24135> there i couldn't find mixer for alsa
[09:14] <Paddy_EIRE> simion314: ccsm is not a window decorator and does not control title bar click events
[09:14] <gaelfx1> if you would rather use ALSA than Pulse, maybe you should try setting up your own Arch system
[09:14] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: ccsm is the interface you use to edit Compiz's behaviour, though.
[09:14] <Paddy_EIRE> simion314: if you wish more options then you must change your decorator to emerald
[09:14] <dupondje> lets try something :) brb
[09:15] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: yeah I have a feeling he is trying to make it shade the window
[09:15] <mikechelen> Guest24135, maybe try http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/ubuntu-904-jaunty-keeping-the-beast-pulseaudio-at-bay/ although it might be easier to change some cinelerra config
[09:15] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: which compiz cannot do
[09:15] <ubuntu_> I installed fglrx drivers and now my system won't boot. How do I disable X start-up so I can uninstall it?
[09:15] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: That is not true, Emerald's code was merged into Compiz and Emerald is now antequated (except for a new off-shoot that's not mature yet)
[09:15] <simion314> Paddy_EIRE: : i have emerald, i will search its option then
[09:15] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: not on jaunty mate
[09:16] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: The shading thing might be left out of Compiz, I'll trust you on that one; but going back to a buggy Emerald WM is probably not worth it IMHO.
[09:16] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: if you locate the option to shade windows in compiz then please share it with the rest of us ;)
 opening alsa mixer shows me some error like alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[09:17] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: and I agree emerald is just plain buggy
[09:17] <Guest24135> mikechelen opening alsa mixer shows me some error like alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[09:17] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: I'm not an expert on all the plugins, but I'd imagine that if shading was part of Emerald, it's probably part of the optional Fusion plugin package now.
[09:17] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: hmm.. good point
[09:17] <mikechelen> Guest24135, was that in step 4? were there any previous errors?
[09:18] <Guest24135> mikechelen no i think..
[09:18] <stupid2> On my Vostro 1310 was ubuntu 8.10 working without problems, after upgrading to 8.04 and n restarts he don't recognize the keyboard and touchboard anymore, and this in X and in framebuffer
[09:18] <Wayman> #ubuntu-fr-jeux.
[09:18] <Guest24135> mikechelen, or i am missing something..
[09:18] <stupid2> does anybody know something about that?
[09:18] <Guest24135> mikechelen, or did a stupid thing..!!
[09:19] <Guest24135> mikechelen, i mean I did a stupid thing..!!?
[09:19] <mikechelen> mohanohi, lol hmm well the guide does have several tricky parts
[09:20] <mohanohi> mikechelen, ok.. pls can u guide me.. I am using cinelerra here for production purpose.. and my work has got stuck!!!
[09:20] <dli> I don't want ubuntu to auto set /etc/motd, how to?
[09:21] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: To change the behaviour for gtk-window-decorator, open gconf-editor and change /apps/metacity/general/action_double_click_titlebar to "toggle_shade".
[09:21] <mikechelen> mohanohi, am looking through the guide now, may be easier to change cinelerra config somehow
[09:21] <cyberjorge> anyone can help in calibrating my touchscreen in Xorg?anoyone has an experience on manually calibrating?
[09:21] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: compiz does not interface with that yet
[09:21] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: Interesting. I dislike shaded windows myself, but for those who like that behaviour it's nice to know it's in gconf.
[09:22] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: yeah nor do I
[09:22] <mohanohi> mikechelen, I have tried and asked in #cinelerra also.. But didn't solve any problem..
[09:22] <unikon> im interested in learning how to use the grep application and commands is there any link that will show me how to understand it and be able to use it  without being to complicated
[09:22] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: gotta love gconf :-)
[09:22] <maekkkk> can anyone help me, Im getting resolution errors.
[09:22] <mohanohi> mikechelen, Changing in cinelerra also doesn
[09:22] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: ask a complete question please
[09:22] <maekkkk> But I can ping WAN ips.
[09:22] <mohanohi> mikechelen, Changing in cinelerra also doesnt give any sound with any type of driver.
[09:22] <ryanprior> unikon: I suggest RUTE: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
[09:22] <bubba> when i type in my static ip address from a remote computer, i get a server timed out response. how do i solve this?
[09:23] <maekkkk> That is my complete question. I can't resolve anything and have no idea why, though I can ping external ips.
[09:23] <ryanprior> unikon: It has introductions to grep and many other GNU/Linux topics in a very approachable style.
[09:23] <mikechelen> mohanohi, there could be additional config settings needed for cinelerra
[09:23] <unikon> thank you again
[09:23] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: are you connected to the net on your ubuntu machine?
[09:23] <mohanohi> mikechelen, i installed cinelerra from repository..
[09:23] <maekkkk> I am on my laptop. My ubuntu machine is also on the net, apparently.
[09:24] <maekkkk> Yea it is, cause im ssh'd in, and it can ping wan ips.
[09:24] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: are they on the same lan?
[09:24] <maekkkk> Yes.
[09:24] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: then that is why you can ssh
[09:24] <mikechelen> mohanohi, did you install ubuntu 9.04 fresh or upgrade?
[09:25] <mohanohi> mikechelen, fresh
[09:25] <bubba> bubba needs help
[09:25] <JediMaster> I presume if ddrescue can't rescue a hard drive, there's no chance of doing it any other way? (ddrescue rescued 0B and the entire drive was errors)
[09:25] <ryanprior> unikon: Now that I look at it again, RUTE doesn't seem to have a dedicated section on grep. You can look in there for some examples of grep in action, and then read the grep man page for a more comprehensive list of features.
[09:26] <mikechelen> mohanohi, see the note about pulse audio at http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[09:26] <ryanprior> JediMaster: forensic analysts can probably recover the data unless it's nuked hardcore
[09:26] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: have you perhaps set a static ip address on your ubuntu computer that is now in use by the other machine you are ssh'd in with?
[09:26] <ryanprior> JediMaster: You have to pay them lots of money to do it, though.
[09:26] <mohanohi> mikechelen, yes.. it does't work
[09:26] <JediMaster> ryanprior: yes, I gathered, but I meant from standard tools we have available lol
[09:27] <maekkkk> I am in the correct computer, if I'm following what your saying.
[09:27] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah
[09:27] <ryanprior> JediMaster: If you can't get any bits out of the hard drive, then software tools will not be useful in recovering data.
[09:27] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: check the ip addresses of both computers if you can
[09:27] <JediMaster> yeah, I presumed as much
[09:27] <maekkkk> My laptop and the ubuntu box?
[09:27] <Paddy_EIRE> yes
[09:28] <maekkkk> 2.4 and 2.148 as expected.
[09:28] <Paddy_EIRE> maekkkk: hmm
[09:29] <bubba> can anyone help good ol Bubba out?
[09:29] <JediMaster> ok, next question, seeing as I've already reinstaled ubuntu on another drive, is there any decent GUIs to setup complex firewalls for NATing networks and port forwarding?
[09:29] <Paddy_EIRE> JediMaster: well firestarter is pretty good
[09:29] <JediMaster> I wrote the entire firewall by hand last time and it took some time, so I'd rather get it working ASAP
[09:29] <mohanohi> mikechelen, can u help me pls?
[09:30] <JediMaster> Paddy_EIRE: can it cope with NATing between interfaces?
[09:30] <Paddy_EIRE> JediMaster: of that I can not be sure
[09:30] <Gautam> can you please tell me any messenger for ubuntu which is just like MSN in windows in terms of features?
[09:30] <ryanprior> JediMaster: ufw is suggested.
[09:30] <myke> Gautam: try pidgin
[09:30] <indus> heya folks
[09:30] <DJones> !msn | Gautam
[09:31] <ryanprior> JediMaster: Dunno how it does NAT though, I've never administrated a NAT system.
[09:31] <indus> Gautam: try amsn u get video too
[09:31] <indus> but no voice
[09:31] <Gautam> myke : i have tried amsn..which is not like as msn in windows
[09:31] <ryanprior> JediMaster: a google search turns up lots of hits for "ufw NAT" though, so it probably does NAT configuration fine.
[09:32] <livingdaylight> !cairo-dock
[09:32] <Paddy_EIRE> Gautam: of course its not.. linux is not windows :)
[09:32] <ryanprior> Gautam: You can probably run MSN on Wine, though.
[09:32] <Gautam> ryanprior : yes i tried and installed on Wine but finaly doesnt run after insatllation
[09:33] <carbontax> AWN is a good mac like dock too
[09:33] <ryanprior> Gautam: Eh, looks like the latest versions don't run on Wine.
[09:33] <maekkkk> latest versions are crap anyways
[09:33] <ryanprior> Gautam: I would suggest using Pidgin, though. It's got a pretty nice interface.
[09:33] <chazco> Anyone using a touchscreen with the Touchkit drivers on 9.04? How do you prevent the double-click effect?
[09:33] <myke> pidgin has worked well for me, i'm trying to convert our office so we can ditch the yahoo! client which is now causing severe problems for many people on a regular basis
[09:33] <livingdaylight> hi, i'm trying to install  cairo-dock-plug-ins_v2.0.2_i686.deb from http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8724
[09:34] <livingdaylight> but getting error
[09:34] <livingdaylight> something about preferences
[09:34] <Gautam> ryanprior: yes can not run....but i'll use Pidgin as you all are suggesting....might be better than amsn ?
[09:34] <Shubuntu> guys does anyone know any hacks for making the dock in avant go completely rounded?
[09:34] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, you have to be more specific than that if you expect to get helped
[09:34] <ryanprior> Gautam: It is different, and as far as I know does not have webcam support, which is a deal breaker for some.
[09:34] <ryanprior> Gautam: It is fairly nice and integrates well with the Ubuntu desktop, though.
[09:35] <Titan8990> Shubuntu, that is a feature of cairo-dock
[09:35] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: Error: /tmp/cairo-dock-plug-ins_v2.0.2_i686-1.deb could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences.
[09:35] <Shubuntu> no there's a hack, i've seen on people's laptops, just thought i'd ask here before asking my mate how he did it next week
[09:35] <friendishan> hi
[09:35] <Gautam> ryanprior: o.k i will use Pidgin....can you give me command to run it...on terminal ?
[09:36] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, what command are you using?
[09:36] <ryanprior> Gautam: Applications -> Internet -> Pidgin Instant Messenger
[09:36] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: its a .deb so what is it called that installed .debs? Gdi???
[09:37] <livingdaylight> it opened up and offered to install the .deb
[09:37] <kraut> moin
[09:37] <ryanprior> Gautam: Or "pidgin" if you like using the CLI. If you want a text interface, "finch" is available as well.
[09:37] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, dpkg -i /path/to/foobar
[09:37] <friendishan> gautam most of the times pidgin is already installed in ubuntu in default
[09:37] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, err with sudo
[09:37] <Gautam> ryanprior : oh sorry..its already installed by default
[09:37] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: Gdebi Package installer
[09:37] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: that's going to give me the same error?
[09:37] <tickle4> i just have a quick question
[09:38] <friendishan> gautam u can start it in applications->internet->pidgin
[09:38] <Gautam> ryanprior: but it wont attach with my msn  in windows...actually i used msn and all my contacts are there
[09:38] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, doubt it, pretty sure the problem is that you are trying to install from a tmp directory instead of downloading the file then installing
[09:38] <tickle4> on ubuntu if you get a windows virus does it have to run to be able to spread onto a different computer with windows?
[09:38] <Titan8990> tickle4, it can't run
[09:38] <ryanprior> Gautam: Pidgin can attach to all major chat networks, msn included. Just put in your login credentials and it'll load up your contacts.
[09:38] <gregoryj> wy
[09:39] <Titan8990> tickle4, and if it spread by itself, it wouldn't be a virus
[09:39] <gregoryj> why do you bother with this OS.... seriously
[09:39] <tickle4> so it wont be able to spread onto another computer?
[09:39] <Titan8990> tickle4, it would be a worm
[09:39] <gregoryj> no games support
[09:39] <gregoryj> hardly any app support
[09:39] <gregoryj> i mean.. why bother
[09:39] <gregoryj> seriously
[09:39] <FloodBot3> gregoryj: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:39] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: never had issues with Gdebi before
[09:39] <gregoryj> sure it;'s free... but whats the point
[09:39] <ryanprior> Gautam: Pidgin runs on Windows as well as Ubuntu, so if you come to like it you can run it everywhere.
[09:39] <myke> gregoryj: you're doing a rather poor job of trolling
[09:39] <Titan8990> gregoryj, stop trolling
[09:39] <ryanprior> !enter | gregoryj
[09:39] <dn44> I have an external usb hdd and I want to format it what program should I use?
[09:39] <gregoryj> im not trolling
[09:39] <gregoryj> but seriously,
[09:40] <guntbert> !ot | gregoryj
[09:40] <ryanprior> gregoryj: The place for this discussion is #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for support questions. :-)
[09:40] <mib_bkviqqpb> http://nds-homebrew.comxa.com/irc.html   (come and join this channel one time offer and get a stat such as op or halfop. Join this channel now
[09:40] <myke> gregoryj: you're free to use whatever OS you like (and go to the appropriate chat room for it)
[09:40] <Titan8990> gregoryj, how are you not? you came on to a ubuntu channel just to tell people you don't like it
[09:40] <dn44> gparted??
[09:40] <gregoryj> litterally no HW support.... it can barerly run movies... not to mention HD movies
[09:40] <gregoryj> i mean what is the point ... please
[09:40] <Titan8990> gregoryj, that couldn't scream troll any more
[09:40] <gregoryj> help me understand
[09:40] <licky654> what's the command to list the uuids pf all hdds?
[09:40] <tickle4> so if a worm got onto ubuntu but couldn't run would it still be able to get into another windows system?
[09:40] <myke> gregoryj: how's life under the bridge?
[09:40] <gregoryj> what on earth are you talking about
[09:40] <ryanprior> gregoryj: We will not explain here. Please join #ubuntu-offtopic. @all others: please do not engage in conversation. :-)
[09:41] <gregoryj> i am honestly trying to understand what drives you to use ututbutu
[09:41] <JediMaster> can anyone suggest a lightweight easy to setup dns, just need something so that this machine can proxy requests and set a few static internal routes
[09:41] <friendishan> Gautam u shud install aMSN for using the best of MSN
[09:41] <Titan8990> gregoryj, some of us like 1) more control 2) life without malware 3) like a real network OS 4) enjoy the robust server functionality
[09:41] <gregoryj> explain 1 and 3
[09:41] <myke> gregoryj: my computer needs to work.  linux/bsd/*nix fits the bill.  with windows, maybe it works, maybe virus of the month or w/e
[09:41] <Flannel> Take it to -offtopic
[09:41] <tickle4> so if a worm got onto ubuntu but couldn't run would it still be able to get into another windows system?
[09:41] <friendishan> bye
[09:41] <ryanprior> gregoryj joined offtopic. Anyone interested in answering his questions should do so there. Thanks all.
[09:42] <gregoryj> it only gets a vcirus if ur a complete retrard... seriously ive been using windows xp for 4 years... NO virus/spyware at all
[09:42] <Titan8990> Flannel, thanks
[09:42] <licky654> fdisk -p shows the drives, but not their uuids
[09:42] <Titan8990> licky654, blkid shows uuids
[09:43] <chinosuke> I wanna check whether libpcap installed in my system. What command to execute?
[09:44] <tickle4> yes but it said i had two virus things in my firefox cache but they didnt do anything but i just wondered if it would be able to spread through my memory stick and onto my windows computer?
[09:44] <dn44> does anyone know how to do a wbfs ?
[09:44] <Titan8990> chinosuke, dpkg --get-selections | grep libpcap
[09:44] <tickle4> it said i had 2 viruses in my (ubuntu) firefox cache
[09:44] <gordonjcp> chinosuke: dpkg -l libpcap*
[09:44] <chazco> Hi... how can I disable /dev/input/mice in xorg on 9.04?
[09:45] <gordonjcp> tickle4: you could clear your cache
[09:45] <tickle4> i have, so does that mean that the virus has gone?
[09:45] <dn44> !wbfs
[09:45] <tickle4> (sorry i suck with computers)
[09:45] <Gautam> friendishan: well i have just started Pindgin which is i think wud be fine
[09:45] <SetiAmon> hey is there a x64 adobe reader?
[09:46] <Titan8990> gordonjcp, does -l show status?
[09:46] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: yeah
[09:46] <chinosuke> It is installed. How to locate the location?
[09:46] <Titan8990> gordonjcp, hmm, wish I had a debian system to compare the performance of the two methods
[09:46] <archman> i can't hear midi, help!
[09:46] <gordonjcp> chinosuke: /usr/lib/<whatever>
[09:47] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: two methods of what?
[09:47] <chinosuke> gordonjcp: not found there
[09:47] <Titan8990> gordonjcp,  dpkg --get-selections | grep libpcap    --- should do the same as your command
[09:47] <gordonjcp> chinosuke: what does "dpkg -L libpcap0.8" say?
[09:48] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: yeah, I guess
[09:48] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: different result
[09:48] <andresj> hello, what is the recommended way to suggest adding a package from Debian testing/unstable to the Ubuntu repositories? It works without a change if installed directly.
[09:48] <andresj> (I'm talking about otf-stix, btw)
[09:48] <chinosuke> /.
[09:48] <chinosuke> /usr
[09:48] <chinosuke> /usr/lib
[09:48] <chinosuke> /usr/lib/libpcap.so.1.0.0
[09:48] <chinosuke> /usr/share
[09:48] <FloodBot3> chinosuke: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:48] <chinosuke> /usr/share/doc
[09:49] <xrfang> hi there anyone using AWN here? I need help change its behavior
[09:49] <pelle__> What is the name of the danish server?
[09:49] <xrfang> I have an icon on awn bar, e.g. firefox,
[09:50] <carbontax> i use it
[09:50] <xrfang> if I click it then it opens firefox,
[09:50] <carbontax> i think the one you dl from the website works better
[09:50] <xrfang> then I click it again, I hope it will open a NEW firefox, but it doesn't it minimize the running firefox!
[09:50] <carbontax> awn that is
[09:50] <Titan8990> gordonjcp, in what way?
[09:51] <xrfang> however, if I run a program from anywhere else (not from its launcher), then it will add a button for the new running application, just like the task bar, which is what I want
[09:51] <xrfang> carbontax: any ideas?
[09:51] <Titan8990> xrfang, add firefox as its own icon
[09:51] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: well dpkg --get-selected gives a different output to dpkg -l
[09:51] <Titan8990> xrfang, should make a new icon when you its opened, unless they have changed the behavior
[09:51] <xrfang> titan8990, I don't know what you mean, this strange behavior exists for any icon I added to the awn launcher
[09:52] <Titan8990> gordonjcp, did they both produce the desired results?
[09:52] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: apparently so
[09:52] <xrfang> Titan8990: who has changed the behavior?
[09:52] <gordonjcp> Titan8990: you'd need to ask chinosuke
[09:52] <stupid2> On my Vostro 1310 was ubuntu 8.10 working without problems, after upgrading to 8.04 and n restarts he don't recognize the keyboard and touchboard anymore, does anybody know something about that?
[09:52] <pelle__> ???How do I change server?
[09:52] <Titan8990> xrfang, awn devs?
[09:53] <xrfang> :(
[09:53] <carbontax> i gave up on the awn from the repository and downloaded it from the website
[09:53] <xrfang> well, anyone? this is a very strange behavior, I guess it is copied from apple, anyone can explain what is the rationale here? :|
[09:53] <carbontax> works good now
[09:55] <chinosuke> How to install pcap?
[09:55] <Titan8990> chinosuke, apt-cache search pcap
[09:56] <Titan8990> chinosuke, or you can install tcpdump or wireshard and it will be pulled as a dependency
[09:56] <chinosuke> yes I've wireshark install.
[09:56] <Gautam> hello can you tell me where history save in Pindgin messenger ?
[09:56] <chinosuke> but when i tried to execute cpan Net::Pcap, it told me that I do not have pcap
[09:57] <Decepticon> im trying to find all .sh files, this isnt working "find / *.sh" what should i do instead
[09:57] <Bolice> find / -name "*.sh"
[09:58] <Bolice> use root
[09:58] <Gautam> can you tell me where history save in Pindgin messenger ?
[09:59] <ryanprior> Gautam: It's in the plugins menu, I believe.
[09:59] <uberadm> hey. I would like to format my flash drive root folder as read only so that viruses can't write to it. how do I do that from terminal?
[09:59] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: i also had dependency error installing your way with sudo dpkg -i but i found dependency webkit in synaptics and cairo dock seemed then to install. I see it in my Applications menu under Accessories but it doesn't launch?
[09:59] <Decepticon> thanks Bolice thats alot better
[09:59] <ryanprior> uberadm: You can't format a drive to be read-only; rather, it's a decision made when the drive is mounted.
[09:59] <Gautam> ryanprior : i have searched it everywhere...but its not showing
[10:00] <uberadm> ryanprior, oh, that sucks. Even if the owner is root?
[10:00] <ryanprior> uberadm: And, I'm not sure how to specify that the flash drive should be mounted read-only.
[10:00] <rascal999> I'm looking for a cheap shell, any suggestions?
[10:00] <ryanprior> uberadm: root can unmount a read-only drive and then re-mount it as read-write. root can do everything.
[10:01] <ryanprior> uberadm: If a virus or malicious software gets root, all bets are off as far as security goes.
[10:01] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, try launching it from the terminal to see errors
[10:01] <dn44> what can format in wbfs?
[10:01] <uberadm> ryanprior, yep, but would a windows pc be able to still read the flash drive?
[10:01] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, why didn't you use the package manger to install cairo-dock in the first place?
[10:01] <uberadm> ryanprior, I should experiment
[10:02] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: i thought it wasn't in repos, is it??
[10:02] <ryanprior> uberadm: So long as you use a Windows-compatible file system, it will work. NTFS or VFAT are good options.
[10:02] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, pretty sure it is, might be in the media repos
[10:02] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: i thought i checked and didn't see it
[10:02] <chinosuke> i tried to install perl module using "cpan Net::Pcap" but it's not working
[10:02] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, cairo-dock was specifically developed for ubuntu....
[10:03] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: i was reading in one ubuntu tutorial that Cairo being the best docker wasn't in repos and other rubbish ones made it
[10:03] <Titan8990> !medibunt
[10:03] <usimic> hey, anyone know of a program to automagicaly convert vim's language.vim files to GtkSourceView *.lang euqivalent?
[10:03] <livingdaylight> !medibuntu
[10:03] <chinosuke> the error message is "You appear to lack the pcap(3) library."
[10:03] <uberadm> if I go sudo format /flash_drive , will that make the flash drive "belong" to root? and what will it look like to a windows pc?
[10:03] <livingdaylight> !media
[10:03] <unikon> can a linux pc get in trouble if a virtual xp gets infected with a virus
[10:04] <Paddy_EIRE> unikon: no
[10:04] <ryanprior> unikon: yes
[10:04] <uberadm> unikon, the linux won't break
[10:04] <uberadm> unikon, the XP can tho
[10:04] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: no it cant.. the virus cant go anywhere but the virtual drive space
[10:04] <joeyjones> is it worth upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04?
[10:04] <livingdaylight> Titan8990: seems there are dependency problems now which even prevent me from removing cairo
[10:04]  * livingdaylight sighs
[10:05] <ryanprior> unikon: If the virus is running inside the Windows software, you're just as vulnerable as if it were running on bare metal so long as you're operating within the VM. The underlying OS isn't likely to be infected, but you're still running malicious software.
[10:05] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: That's true, but what's the big difference?
[10:05] <Paddy_EIRE> ryanprior: well that was not his question
[10:05] <IndyGunFreak> joeyjones: nobody can really answer that but you... i think so..
[10:05] <Titan8990> livingdaylight, thats why its usually recommended to use synaptic whenever possible
[10:06] <ryanprior> Paddy_EIRE: I would say that a PC running GNU/Linux and Windows, with Windows being infected, is just as bad as running Windows period. Moral of this story: don't use Windows.
[10:06] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah well of course
[10:06] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[10:07] <unikon> looks like ill run it on a unplugged pc
[10:07] <carbontax> sorry or Mac's
[10:07] <ryanprior> unikon: That is a good idea. Also don't plug in any unfriendly media such as CDs or flash drives.
[10:07] <joeyjones> how can i swap from compiz to metacity in cli?
[10:07] <uberadm> ryanprior, unless you're writing a virus and want to test it :-P
[10:07] <Paddy_EIRE> joeyjones: metacity --replace
[10:07] <ryanprior> uberadm: Yes, Windows is an excellent platform for virus development. :-)
[10:08] <joeyjones> ryanakca: actually, ms visual studiomis
[10:08] <joeyjones> *studio is
[10:08] <iceroot> ryanprior: and using :)
[10:09] <uberadm> whats the general command for formatting a partition from terminal? I know its a noob question, but i tried fdisk and it doesn't format partitions
[10:09] <dyf> would JFS be a better choice for file system than ext3 for old computers?
[10:10] <ryanprior> uberadm: Google is your friend in this case. If there's some terminology or error you have trouble understanding, come here with a specific question. :-)
[10:10] <ryanprior> dyf: ext3 is good for most purposes, including older computers. If you don't want or need journaling support, you can use ext2
[10:11] <dyf> ryanprior: if it's good for "most purposes", what would be the exceptions?
[10:12] <ryanprior> dyf: Some particular use cases benefit from using ReiserFS, ZFS, XFS, ext4, etc.
[10:12] <ryanprior> dyf: However, if you're not running high-throughput file servers, ext3 is probably good for you.
[10:12] <ryanprior> dyf: And even if you are running those, ext3 is a pretty safe choice.
[10:12] <dyf> ryanprior: according to archlinux's wiki, "JFS currently uses the least CPU resources of any GNU/Linux filesystem"
[10:13] <ryanprior> dyf: Yes, but CPU is a very small part of file operation overhead. The vast majority of it is seek times.
[10:14] <uberadm> yay! found it. mkfs
[10:14] <ryanprior> dyf: ext3 minimizes seek times, which is almost always more important than using littler CPU.
[10:15] <dyf> ok, thanks ryanprior
[10:15] <ryanprior> dyf: For more info on the mathematics behind that, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
[10:18] <chinosuke> how to install pcap?
[10:19] <Paddy_EIRE> chinosuke: that looks like a google query ;-)
[10:19] <stupid2> chinosuke, apt-get install libpcap
[10:19] <uberadm> sometimes chmod has a four number argument (7777 for example) instead of three. The first three are owner, group and everyone else. What does the fourth nr mean?
[10:19] <chinosuke> thanks
[10:19] <stupid2> chinosuke, sudp apt-get install libpcap
[10:19] <stupid2> chinosuke, sudo apt-get install libpcap
[10:19] <stupid2> chinosuke, sry
[10:20] <Chousuke> uberadm: sticky bit/suid bit etc.
[10:20] <Viking667> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS> the last line suggests running "apt-get update" to fix the error.
[10:20] <Chousuke> uberadm: see the manual page :)
[10:20] <Viking667> That's an error I'm getting when I actually type "apt-get update"
[10:20] <jimi_> Has anybody tried slapping Ubuntu on the PS3 yet?
[10:20] <Chousuke> uberadm: actually, suid/sgid/sticky I think
[10:20] <ryanprior> Jimi_ Ubuntu isn't technically supported on PowerPC.
[10:20] <dooglus> my microphone doesn't work in any flash application
[10:21] <dooglus> is there an alternative flash plugin to the adobe one which I can try instead?
[10:21] <dooglus> !flash
[10:21] <Paddy_EIRE> dooglus: is it muted perhaps
[10:21] <Viking667> is it PowerPC or POWER5  ?
[10:21] <ryanprior> dooglus: Gnash can run many flash programs, including the all-important YouTube.
[10:21] <cyberjorge> hi, i am able to add a port beyond COM3 by adding some texts to menu.list in the GRUB folder
[10:21] <dooglus> Paddy_EIRE: it's not.  it works in skype, but not on any website that uses flash
[10:21] <cyberjorge> now i installed my touchscreen driver using COM5 (dev/ttyS4), it responds when i touch the screen but not calibrated.
[10:21] <cyberjorge> Problem is, the calibration utility can't detect the touch device, what do I missing?
[10:21] <lizhixiang> hello
[10:22] <dooglus> ryanprior: thanks - is it a browser plugin?  what's the package called?
[10:22] <lizhixiang> i'm lh
[10:22] <cyberjorge> any suggestions?
[10:22] <ryanprior> dooglus: apt-cache search gnash
[10:22] <lizhixiang> www
[10:22] <dooglus> !gnash
[10:22] <ryanprior> dooglus: It runs both as a browser plugin and as a stand-alone player.
[10:22] <lizhixiang> i'm from china
[10:22] <lizhixiang> please ,
[10:22] <dooglus> !info mozilla-plugin-gnash
[10:22] <ryanprior> !cn | lizhixiang, if you prefer help in Chinese
[10:23] <lizhixiang> 大家好
[10:23] <dli> lizhixiang, this is an english only channel
[10:23] <lizhixiang> oke
[10:23] <dooglus> do I need to remove the nonfree adobe package for it to work?  will they fight otherwise?
[10:23] <lizhixiang> i see
[10:23] <lizhixiang> but i english is not good
[10:23] <deusjevoo> hows ubuntu doing with virtualization? any1 tried or using it?
[10:24] <ryanprior> dooglus: I believe you do have to remove the non-free package, but there might be a way to make them play nice.
[10:24] <dli> dooglus, in firefox menu: Tools->Add-ons, you can disable the adobe one
[10:24] <lars_bauer> howto get open office 3.0 on Intrepid Ibex
[10:24] <indus> #plone
[10:24] <dooglus> dli: wilco
[10:24] <ryanprior> lizhixiang: We will try to understand but you are welcome to join one of the channels Ubottu listed as well.
[10:24] <indus> damn
[10:24] <ryanprior> !ooo | lars_bauer
[10:25] <dli> lars_bauer, http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-0-in-Ubuntu-8-10-96449.shtml
[10:25] <dooglus> does anyone really use gnash?  and if so, does it work?  I've tried free replacements for closed proprietary things before and never found them to be good enough to actually use
[10:25] <indus> lars_bauer: i answered that yesterday i think
[10:25] <lars_bauer> thx every one
[10:25] <unikon> after putting in a dvd movie it palys well but even though i selected english language its still playing spanish  is there any fix to that and also how can i set it so the main dvd play program is Vlc
[10:26] <myke> the closed source flash plugin is fine
[10:26] <myke> just use that
[10:26] <ryanprior> dooglus: I do use Gnash, but only occasionally. For most Flash apps, Adobe's runtime works best. Hopefully over the next year or two that will cease to be the case.
[10:26] <lars_bauer> indus: yes but i got interupted and my log wos not setup to long files
[10:26] <dli> unikon, edit ~/.mplayer/config, and put lines: alang=en
[10:26] <dli> unikon, and: slang=en
[10:27] <dooglus> ryanprior: I installed it, restarted firefox, about:plugins shows it, but youtube.com doesn't have a video in it
[10:27] <dli> ryanakca, gnash still uses too much cpu:(
[10:27] <dli> dooglus, what about Tools->Add-ons ?
[10:28] <dooglus> is there something I need to set up to get it to play?
[10:28] <ryanprior> dli: Sounds like a bug. You might want to ping Rob and make sure he knows what's going on.
[10:28] <dooglus> Add-ons>Plugins shows flash 10.0 r22 disabled, and flash 9.0 r999 (gnash) enabled
[10:28] <ryanprior> dooglus: Sometimes I need to restart Firefox a few times before it works. >.>
[10:28] <dli> dooglus, maybe, remove adobe-flash, and restart firefox
[10:29] <dli> ryanprior, gnash developers want to get features first, and optimization later
[10:29] <dooglus> in the bottom right corner of the firefox youtube page I see a (copyrighted?) lego brick, which when I click it shows "manage content plug-ins - shockwave flash (application/x-shock... Gnash SWF Player
[10:29] <ryanprior> dli: That doesn't mean you shouldn't file bugs. :-)
[10:30] <dli> ryanakca, it's not a bug, just road ahead
[10:30] <ryanprior> dli: Fair enough. Like I say, I expect good things within a year or two.
[10:30] <dli> ryanprior, also, probably, they won't do coding level optimizations, unlike adobe flash
[10:30] <ryanprior> Also, poor poor ryanakca. Guy gets so much spam when I'm in the channel.
[10:30] <cirusgalaxy> axy
[10:31] <carbontax> anyone have a ubuntu one account is it as good as dropbox?
[10:31] <ryanprior> dli: That's not necessarily always going to be true. Once Gnash is feature-complete or close to, anybody can go in any implement more vm-level optimizations.
[10:32] <ryanprior> carbontax: Not as good as dropbox, but may be someday.
[10:32] <cirusgalaxy> hi
[10:32] <gordonjcp> flash is dying
[10:32] <carbontax> thx
[10:32] <gordonjcp> netcraft confirms it
[10:32] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: nevar
[10:32] <carbontax> stick with drop then
[10:32] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: Who does netcraft say is taking over? Java or silverlight or HTML 5 or what?
[10:33] <gordonjcp> ryanprior: well html5 has tags to allow the browser to deal with playing audio or video
[10:33] <gordonjcp> ryanprior: in web design I've seen js framework cleverness replace flash for a lot of things that people used to use flash for
[10:33] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: Okay, that's far from a trend towards the death of Flash though.
[10:33] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: People are finally learning to use it responsibly. That's good for Flash's future, not bad.
[10:34] <dooglus> I made a new firefox profile, and youtube still doesn't wanna play using gnash
[10:34] <gordonjcp> ryanprior: heh
[10:34] <dooglus> carbontax: dropbox refuses to work for me
[10:34] <dli> dooglus, removed adobe-flash?
[10:34] <dooglus> carbontax: it worked for a few months, but now just doesn't
[10:34] <gordonjcp> ryanprior: seriously though, the number of sites where they go "and I want the picture at the top to fade in..." - previously that would be a flash thing but now you would just throw scriptaculous at it
[10:34] <dli> dooglus, try another browser, like epiphany or galeon
[10:35] <dooglus> dli: I disabled it, didn't remove it.  you mean using apt-get or using firefox's add-on gui?
[10:35] <dli> dooglus, yes, sudo apt-get --yes remove adobe-flash
[10:36] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: Sure, Flash was never a great solution for this, and now we have a better one. However, Flash can still do lots of things quite well that are a pain and a half with Javascript. Perhaps if, in the next few years, browsers handle Javascript+SVG animations much better, Flash will lose yet another niche.
[10:36] <michael_> im having trouble with my /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:36] <michael_> trying to follow these instructions
[10:36] <michael_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[10:36] <ryanprior> gordonjcp: In the area of animation and rich interactive content, though, Flash has better tools than most available for javascript toolkits.
[10:36] <ladramm> good morning i want to ask you if samba 8.10 is the same that samba 9.04??
[10:36] <michael_> after doing so, i type  $ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4
[10:36] <michael_> but it's not found
[10:37] <dooglus> dli: that seems to have worked (once I got the package name right)
[10:38] <dli> dooglus, sorry for supplying wrong name:(
[10:39] <icqn> !qtgnome
[10:39] <icqn> !qt
[10:40] <unikon>  after putting in a dvd movie it palys well but even though i selected english language its still playing spanish  is there any fix to that and also how can i set it so the main dvd play program is Vlc
[10:40] <Gamarok__> Guys how can i auto mount all the partitions (ntfs) on bootups
[10:40] <dooglus> dli: I don't see any way of selecting a mic in gnash - or any evidence that it even works with mics
[10:41] <indus> Gamarok__: u need to add it to fstab file
[10:41] <indus> !mount
[10:41] <ladramm> the configuration of samba in ubuntu 8.10 is the same that 9.04 ??
[10:41] <dli> dooglus, I have no idea about mic:(
[10:42] <dooglus> dli: try stickam.com or something - it uses flash to broadcast your cam and mic
[10:43] <dli> dooglus, I think gnash doesn't play at all at stickam
[10:44] <ladramm> alo
[10:45] <dooglus> dli: right.  or with most other places I just tried it.  that's kind of what I meant about these attempts to make free versions of non-free tools
[10:47] <kryle> hey, anyone here? how to i add a simple no-clickable text to a panel in gnome ?
[10:47] <ryanprior> dooglus: The fact is that there's more work to be done, not that the fundamental approach is flawed. Gnash is great software, but it's incomplete.
[10:47] <peter_> my windows partition does not show up in places. Is there a way to add it?
[10:47] <Viking667> night, all.
[10:47] <Demonicdata> Is anone here able to help me with tor?
[10:48] <Demonicdata> it seems to be starting up automatically even though it is not listed in "startup applications" it starting up automatically prevents me from using vidalia,it worked when i first installed it
[10:48] <JJT> Hy there
[10:48] <ryanprior> dooglus: Check out Firefox, OpenOffice.org, the GNU software, etc; all free versions of non-free packages. They are quite useful and relevant in today's software world, and Gnash may get there too.
[10:49] <JJT> i have a problem
[10:49] <mikeyfbi> after i edit xorg.conf, how can i restart x without rebooting
[10:50] <dooglus> what non-free package is firefox a version of?  it's implementing open web standards
[10:50] <dli> peter_, add it in /etc/fstab
[10:51] <JJT> i need script, i could run vom desktop, it have to open 4 terminal windows with the rights of root an execute in every terminal an sh-script
[10:51] <mikeyfbi> could anyone help me get my external monitor to display 1280x700
[10:51] <Myrtti> JJT: check out terminator
[10:51] <peter_> dli: how do i do that? its a command in terminal? Sorry i am very new to ubuntu
[10:52] <JJT> Myrtti: where i will find this?
[10:52] <dli> peter_, open a terminal, edit the file /etc/fstab
[10:52] <dli> peter_, like: sudo vi /etc/fstab
[10:52] <dli> peter_, or sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:53] <Myrtti> JJT: sudo aptitude install terminator - it's a terminal emulator, but it has the option of cloning the commands to every split part of it
[10:53] <dli> peter_, add a line like: UID=7848874F48870B58	/mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8,nls=utf8 0 0
[10:53] <dli> peter_, you can find the UUID part by typing the command: blkid
[10:54] <JJT> Myrtti: is it able to 4 difrent scriptz in 4 different windows?
[10:54] <JJT> man
[10:55] <Myrtti> JJT: no, it clones the exact same command to the different splits of one window
[10:55] <JJT> Myrtti: oh, i need to run 4 different commands
[10:56] <peter_> dli: so i add that line to the fstab file and then save?
[10:56] <dli> peter_, you need to get the UUID for your partition
[10:56] <peter_> dli: yes i have that now
[10:57] <Freddy2_> hi
[10:57] <dli> peter_, and you need /mnt/windows (or whatever the folder you want it to be)
[10:57] <Demonicdata> it seems to be starting up automatically even though it is not listed in "startup applications" it starting up automatically prevents me from using vidalia,it worked when i first installed it
[10:57] <Freddy2_> i've just updated my 8.10 machine to 9.04 and my scripts linked at /etc/rc2.d (rc3.d and rc5.d) do not automatically launch anymore after the update
[10:57] <dli> peter_, also, add uid=peter,gid=users to the option field: defaults,uid=peter,gid=peter
[10:57] <Freddy2_> how can i fix this? thx