[07:52] <genefitz> Rambo, my HP officejet works wonderful. Of course, it has it's dedicated fax line (direct to the printer) And I haven't found a reason to use the scanner (since I have owned it)
[07:52] <aelliott> Hammwell: "uname -r"
[07:52] <leetcharmer> is there an easy way to setup a network media server that you can easily upload files to and stream from?
[07:52] <genefitz> but the printer works like a charm :-)
[07:52] <stuart_> triden1, oh okay. does pidgin show 'MSN nickname quotes' ?
[07:52] <Pricey> unimatrix9, lets please stop the offtopic talk and move to #ubuntu-offtopic or pm
[07:52] <Hammwell> aelliot: thx!
[07:52] <dr_willis> genefitz,  looking at all the new goodies in the store today.. doing research befor i buy. :)
[07:53] <sauvin> Does xfce have no taskbar or virtual desktops?
[07:53] <triden1> stuart_: I'm pretty sure, you mean that little text under the name? Yeah.
[07:53] <unimatrix9> i was not talking to you was i?
[07:53] <unimatrix9> :P
[07:53] <dr_willis> Looking at the HP L7680 for my next printer. ANyone have any experience with it and Linux?
[07:53] <mcantor> sauvin: Xfce has both.
[07:53] <stuart_> triden1, k. will get that. so i apt-get install pidgin?
[07:53] <sauvin> Where?
[07:53] <mcantor> sauvin: Are you on a fresh install of Xubuntu?
[07:53] <triden1> stuart_: Not in the repo yet, you'll have to download it from a website.
[07:53] <sauvin> Just ubuntu.
[07:53] <ImmortalEVENT> Hey flannel ... I tried to reboot into recovery and tried to fix what ever i did.. and still no luck..  permissions wont allow me to do any thing
[07:53] <unimatrix9> whats you problem any way?
[07:54] <sauvin> but yes, it's relatively fresh.
[07:54] <mcantor> sauvin: You've installed the xubuntu-desktop package, then?
[07:54] <triden1> stuart_: http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=1045
[07:54] <Flannel> ImmortalEVENT: At the recovery console you should have a root prompt, and you should be able to do whatever you need to do to fix things
[07:54] <stuart_> triden1, kay. thanks.
[07:54] <akos> Hello! Is there a way to make my home directory available in windows also?
[07:54] <sauvin> I don't think so, but on first login, I have options for several things: gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, a few others.
[07:54] <dr_willis> akos,  use  /install samba and share your HOMES.
[07:54] <aelliott> Hammwell: if you want to see the version of ubuntu rather than the linux kernel version then you use "cat /etc/issue"
[07:54] <dr_willis> !samba
[07:54] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:55] <Flannel> aelliott, Hammwell, lsb_release -a
[07:55] <akos> dr_willis, on the same machine with dual boot 8-|
[07:55] <triden1> akos: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Share_files_using_Samba
[07:55] <mcantor> akos: If you google "windows ext3fs" (or was it ext2fs?) you can install something in Windows that will let it access Linux filesystems.
[07:55] <justin420> has anybody got swat to work on feisty for them? ived installed netkit-inetd and xinetd and made sure the off part is not there in /etc/inetd.conf.  It is very important that i get swat working on feisty but i cant seem to get it working! ive even tried following the guide at ubuntuguide.org and it still wont work.
[07:55] <akos> mcantor, thanks
[07:55] <aelliott> Flannel:  thats a good one :)
[07:55] <mcantor> sauvin: Huh, I'm a little perplexed by that.  Usually, you shouldn't see those until you've installed their corresponding packages in Ubuntu.
[07:56] <dr_willis> akos,  thats even easier.. windows can read/write to ext2/3 filesystems
[07:56] <phixnay> is there a ubuntu floppy I can use on a computer that won't boot from cd?
[07:56] <dr_willis> !ext2
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <dr_willis> !ext3
[07:56] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:56] <sauvin> I installed "just ubuntu" from a livedvd, and so can't tell you precisley what that means.
[07:56] <unimatrix9> so...
[07:56] <mcantor> sauvin: Well, try right-clicking on the desktop and noodling around in the appropriate menus.  Also use the Xfce menu to get into System Settings, and there should be a menu for panels and virtual workspaces and such.
[07:56] <unimatrix9> i am back
[07:56] <stuart_> triden1, so what do i do with .deb file again? dpkg -i filename?
[07:56] <sauvin> mcantor, thanks, I'll try that.
[07:56] <ImmortalEVENT> ok not to sound newbish but i am... lol  how do you pull up the console in recovery,   is that the terminal if so, when i entered recovery and went to terminal it did not have root prompt?
[07:56] <unimatrix9> dpkgi -i is correct
[07:56] <evoluter> Is there any way to see what services are running via the terminal?
[07:56] <unimatrix9> to install
[07:57] <mcantor> sauvin: Good luck!  I'd give more thorough help, but I'm in KDE right now.
[07:57] <triden1> stuart_: If you download it, GDebi or another package manager should do it.
[07:57] <unimatrix9> dpkg -i
[07:57] <unimatrix9> sorry
[07:57] <Awsoonn> evoluter: top
[07:57] <Flannel> ImmortalEVENT: The recovery console is *only* a terminal
[07:57] <mcantor> ImmortalEVENT: You have to login first.
[07:57] <ladydoor> evoluter: ps aux
[07:57] <unimatrix9> ps aux -a
[07:57] <stuart_> k.
[07:57] <sauvin> How about "settings"...? :D I know what you're saying. I'd been using KDE for so long that other desktops leave me lost, confused, alone, cold and scared.
[07:57] <unimatrix9> wil show a lot
[07:57] <ladydoor> evoluter: (the ps manpage explains more options)
[07:57] <mcantor> evoluter: You can also try "top", though I prefer "htop" (which must be installed via aptitude first
[07:57] <Flannel> ImmortalEVENT: sounds like you didn't actually get to the recovery console, there won't be a login, won't be anything except a root prompt
[07:57] <evoluter> Got to love the ubuntu community, thanks everyone :-)
[07:58] <Nemes> How can I change the GNOME language for a second user (and only for him)?
[07:58] <mcantor> sauvin: Settings should work.  It shouldn't be too hard to find the right dialog.
[07:58] <ImmortalEVENT> /flannel
[07:58] <sauvin> Oh, if you swear these things are there, I'll find them, sooner or later.
[07:58] <stuart-> and what's xfce's window manager again
[07:58] <mcantor> sauvin: I'm absolutely positive that Xfce has panels and virtual desktops
[07:58] <mcantor> stuart-: xfwm
[07:58] <stuart-> thanus? or something? as in gnome's nautilus equivalent
[07:58] <donald> i'd like to plug in an external monitor to a laptop and use Xinerama.. any help?
[07:58] <ImmortalEVENT> hrmm... may be there is my solution
[07:58] <unimatrix9> nemes you could create an user with any language you like i guess
[07:58] <mcantor> donald: Are you using NVidia or ATI?
[07:58] <Flannel> stuart-: thunar is the file browser, not the window manager
[07:58] <donald> nvidia
[07:59] <stuart-> Flannel, silly me. thanks.
[07:59] <phixnay> hey, how can I boot a ubuntu cd if the computer won't boot from cd?
[07:59] <mcantor> phixnay: How do you know it won't boot from CD?
[07:59] <genefitz> Phix, I don't think you can..
[07:59] <unimatrix9> phixnay , have you got an floppy drive?
[07:59] <genefitz> I have never seen a ubuntu floppy set
[07:59] <Nemes> unimatrix9, how? I cant find nothing at "Users and Groups"
[07:59] <ImmortalEVENT> .... cause i did go to the grub menu and try to enter the recovery mode...  but as you said there shouldn't be a login and again thats what i saw...  it asked me to press cntrl d for password or something to continue
[08:00] <Flannel> ImmortalEVENT: right, that's correct.  hit ctrl-d
[08:00] <Guilty_as_Sin> do you need synergy w/ xinerama?
[08:00] <phixnay> mcantor: I tried
[08:00] <donald> Immortal.. that only happens in Ubuntu
[08:00] <phixnay> unimatrix9: yes
[08:00] <Guilty_as_Sin> sorry, just now heared of xine'
[08:00] <unimatrix9> nemes , i think you boot up the user you like to use and set language there
[08:00] <donald> oop.. i mean Debian
[08:00] <stuart-> also, what package should i download if i already have xubuntu installed but want to change to ubuntu
[08:00] <mcantor> phixnay: How old is your computer?
[08:00] <aelliott> phixnay: do you currently have an operating system installed?
[08:00] <rambo3> phixnay, easies way is to swap HD to other computer with CD
[08:00] <Flannel> stuart-: ubuntu-desktop
[08:00] <bmartin> stuart-: ubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <unimatrix9> phixnay there is an program called smartbootmanager that can be run from floppy to boot cdrom
[08:01] <Flannel> !install | phixnay
[08:01] <ubotu> phixnay: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[08:01] <aelliott> phixnay: if you have windows you can install ubuntu from windows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[08:01] <stuart-> kay thanks.
[08:01] <sauvin> However, until I find these things, where did the Konsole I just minimised go!?
[08:01] <Flannel> phixnay: that first link has a bunch of alternative methods, depending on what you have at your disposal
[08:01] <donald> synergy or xinerama?
[08:01] <ImmortalEVENT> yeah.. i did hit cntrl d.. but when it logged back into ubuntu and asked for my user name and pass again and loaded as normal?
[08:01] <Guilty_as_Sin> theres also wubi
[08:01] <Crow-> !
[08:01] <mcantor> sauvin: Try just Alt + Tabbing, dude
[08:02] <unimatrix9> phixnay , read here http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
[08:02] <phixnay> quite old, it runs 98 but doesn't have internet access.
[08:02] <Guilty_as_Sin> you can install ubuntu "in" windoze w/ wubi
[08:02] <phixnay> I'll try the smart boot manager, thatnks guys
[08:02] <sauvin> Ah! That's OK,then...!!
[08:02] <unimatrix9> lots of luck!
[08:02] <ImmortalEVENT> ill try once more and come back just incase... it might have been just some retardedness in my part.. but if not thx again
[08:02] <donald> so back to dual screens on a laptop.. what i want is to use Xinerama when the CRT is connected and not when it isn't
[08:02] <Crow-> ok, basic question...i want to install ubuntu like...soonish...though i never ran 2 os on 1 harddrive before...so do i have to go through any additional setups to get something like a dualboot screen on startup?
[08:03] <Nemes> unimatrix9, but I can't find anything related to language! Do you know where I could set that?
[08:03] <donald> is there something i can add in xorg.conf to detect the presence of the external monitor?
[08:03] <Guilty_as_Sin> crow, no.. just install it and you will be presented w/ grub
[08:03] <mcantor> Crow-: During the install process, the Live CD will help you split your hard drive into two halves, one for Windows, one for Linux.
[08:03] <Jamesinator> Is there any way to optimize memory usage in Ubuntu? I have 256mb and Windows 2000 ran perfectly, but Ubuntu hogs nearly all of my memory, and makes running 3D apps that ran smoothly in Windows impossible to run on Ubuntu.
[08:03] <genefitz> Crow, what os are you using now?
[08:03] <Guilty_as_Sin> that will be where you decide which os to boot
[08:03] <unimatrix9> nemes , give this site a read on languages
[08:03] <unimatrix9> http://planet.ubuntu-nl.org/rss10.xml
[08:03] <Crow-> genefitz, Windows XP
[08:03] <Nemes> unimatrix9, thank you very much
[08:03] <mcantor> Jamesinator: You should use Xubuntu, rather than Ubuntu.  Also there are special "low memory" alternative install options.
[08:04] <unimatrix9> hope it helps , other wise come back here
[08:04] <Jamesinator> mcantor: I *am* using Xubuntu
[08:04] <Crow-> mcantor, i still got some free hd space
[08:04] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah, now partitioning might be a lil scary at first
[08:04] <Jamesinator> mcantor: I've used both XFCE and GNOME, it makes no difference
[08:04] <akos> dr_willis, thanks
[08:04] <tarzeau> Jamesinator: the problem is the software used in ubuntu
[08:04] <bmartin> Jamesinator: try Fluxbox
[08:04] <mcantor> Crow-: How big is your hard drive?  How much free space do you have?
[08:04] <tarzeau> Jamesinator: openoffice, gnome and firefox are memory hogs
[08:04] <Guilty_as_Sin> just remember that you are deciding what the"new" size of windows is going to be..  not the size of the install
[08:04] <genefitz> Crow, I am not sure if it works the same in XP, but in cista, at the disk manager, I was able to right click and shrink my windows hard drive, to clear up some un-partitioned space.
[08:04] <tarzeau> Jamesinator: try livecd.gnustep.org
[08:04] <unimatrix9> get more ram!
[08:04] <Crow-> mcantor, 160gb, around 35-40 gb left
[08:04] <jetscreamer> Jamesinator: try looking in /etc/init.d and see what you don't need
[08:04] <unimatrix9> its cheap
[08:04] <mcantor> Crow-: That should work fine.
[08:04] <tarzeau> unimatrix9: you can't upgrade all computers with memory
[08:04] <genefitz> Then when I loaded ubuntu, I chose guided using most unused space..
[08:05] <tarzeau> unimatrix9: besides some bios don't allow more either
[08:05] <Crow-> mcantor, i know, i just wanted to know how to set up a dualboot ;o
[08:05] <unimatrix9> i see
[08:05] <jetscreamer> no xp doesn't resize it's a vista thing
[08:05] <Injen> When uninstalling something with wine, how do you delete left over Applications/ directories?
[08:05] <unimatrix9> to bad
[08:05] <Jamesinator> It's a problem with the Ubuntu install I have itself, even running after disabling all except system-critical boot apps it still is very slow
[08:05] <mcantor> Crow-: It does it automatically.
[08:05] <genefitz> Loaded up, grub in the MBR, and when my computer starts I use grub to decide windoes or linux
[08:05] <Crow-> mcantor, perfect :D thanks for your help heh
[08:05] <Jamesinator> It shows most frequently with ANYTHING 3D.
[08:05] <dr_willis> Injen,  wine uses a .wine dir - everything is in there.
[08:05] <pete83> Jamesinator: what 3d apps are you using, by the way? (and what video card?)
[08:05] <jetscreamer> Jamesinator: yeah you might check your vid card drivers
[08:05] <tarzeau> any of you do 3d creation stuff?
[08:05] <mcantor> Crow-: Hehe, no prob!
[08:05] <bmartin> Injen, you mean in the GNOME menu? you should be able to right-click on the menu and edit it
[08:06] <mcantor> Corvinis-V: Remember to defrag first
[08:06] <Jamesinator> SiS 315e for the video card, and my 3D apps range from simple things like the 3D chess and Neverball to Morrowind (via WINE)
[08:06] <unimatrix9> sounds like asus terminators
[08:06] <jetscreamer> sis315? that's like very old isn't it
[08:06] <bmartin> SiS makes 3D cards?
[08:06] <jetscreamer> yeh kinda
[08:06] <cdehaan> haha "kinda."
[08:06] <bmartin> lol
[08:06] <Jamesinator> Most likely, but it still ran Morrowind perfectly on Win2k, which seems strange that Ubuntu wouldn't be able to match :\
[08:06] <unimatrix9> does it run planet ping racer?
[08:07] <unimatrix9> :P
[08:07] <cdehaan> Graphic games? You kids and your graphics... ASCII GAMES FTW!
[08:07] <cdehaan> lol
[08:07] <mcantor> Jamesinator: wine isn't really that stable in the first place, to be honest.
[08:07] <Kornbunto> Anyone worked with Nvidia Twinview? I'm trying to find a way to make my desktop function like it did in XP with Ultramon
[08:07] <g0l> nalioth, good afternoon
[08:07] <mcantor> cdehaan: Have nethack, will travel
[08:07] <cdehaan> mcantor: ++
[08:07] <g0l> i need to talk you
[08:07] <g0l> nalioth,
[08:07] <dr_willis> Kornbunto,  assume that NO ONE knows what Ultramon does. :) and Yes i do use twinview
[08:07] <donald> Kornbunto.. twinview works great
[08:07] <genefitz> mcnator, wine is very unstable, it seems...
[08:07] <Kornbunto> Yes it does
[08:07] <nalioth> hi g0l
[08:08] <Jamesinator> mcantor: I know, but if (with my old video card) I was able to run Morrowind perfectly on Win2k, why shouldn't something very simple (like 3D chess, which is running natively) work?
[08:08] <Guilty_as_Sin> unless you running utorrent
[08:08] <genefitz> Just about everything I have tried to run in wine crashes
[08:08] <g0l> my chanel #gerardo
[08:08] <Guilty_as_Sin> lol..  that runs explicitely well
[08:08] <Kornbunto> But I jsut want applications to show on the task bar on whatever screen they are on
[08:08] <unimatrix9> jamesinator : this has probably to do with the card, althouhg it has some 3D support, its really at an hold on development
[08:08] <dr_willis> genefitz,  yep - it can be a gamble.
[08:08] <mcantor> genefitz: Remarkably unstable.  Not only are they reimplementing the Windows API, they're reimplementing *BUGS* in the Windows API that different programs use.
[08:08] <unimatrix9> and the windows drivers are better for this card
[08:08] <putergirl> .
[08:08] <unimatrix9> .
[08:08] <unimatrix9> :)
[08:08] <mcantor> Jamesinator: Everyone seems to be mentioning that it's an older card; perhaps its Linux drivers aren't as up-to-par.
[08:08] <Jamesinator> unimatrix9: Dang! Well, thanks for the help. I guess I'll just keep saving those cereal boxes to buy a system that's remotely modern.
[08:08] <vip3rousmango> anyone know if Nero Linux has buffer under-run protection, or is that a windows only thing?
[08:08] <jetscreamer> Kornbunto: http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian  & ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/README/chapter-13.html
[08:08] <ferronica> how to do port forwarding in ubutnu fiesty fawn GNOME using DELUGE ?
[08:09] <genefitz> I went out and spent the money on crossover. It works surprisingly well.
[08:09] <Jamesinator> mcantor: No, they're not. I checked the SiS site and they only had ONE generic Linux driver. D'oh.
[08:09] <dr_willis> Kornbunto, huh? a little 1 or 2 by the programs name in the tasklisting ?
[08:09] <unimatrix9> jamesinator : i have the same kind of card for an project at schoool
[08:09] <sauvin> Hrm... xfce hasn't shown me yet where its virtual desktop(s) might be, but apparently taskbars are in the form of "panels" with nothing preconfigured into them. This *might* be a Good Thing, with a little bit of work.
[08:09] <genefitz> But it isn't open source, so ya are kinda screwed with it
[08:09] <unimatrix9> these are games machines with ubuntu, the games
[08:09] <unimatrix9> i used are flash games...
[08:09] <donald> so any help on getting xorg or ubuntu to detect if i have an external monitor connected to my laptop??
[08:09] <unimatrix9> so they do have some fun!
[08:09] <unimatrix9> :)
[08:09] <jetscreamer> try alt+2  sauvin, works in some wm's
[08:09] <unimatrix9> with this old pc
[08:09] <mcantor> sauvin: Yeah, I mentioned "panels" before.
[08:09] <pete83> Jamesinator: if you do get a new computer, make sure it's one with really good linux drivers. The Phoronix website is great for reviews of video card drivers
[08:10] <mcantor> sauvin: Once you have a panel, right click and hit "Add Item", then add a "Desktop Pager".
[08:10] <mcantor> sauvin: That will let you view your different workspaces
[08:10] <bmartin> donald, what you're trying to do is a bit beyond the scope of most users... try posting in the forums
[08:10] <Guilty_as_Sin> speaking of games..  just played sauerbraten for the first time l;ast night..   loved it
[08:10] <sauvin> Ah.
[08:10] <genefitz> Donald, have you tried the monitor switch on your notebook? That is usually a process controlled by the mobo
[08:10] <donald> i see
[08:10] <Popoi> Hi, what did happen with NVU Web Editor in Repositories? If it's no more, what easy editor can I use?
[08:10] <unimatrix9> jamesinator : check support for your new pc before you get it ( nvidia cards maybe )
[08:10] <donald> thanks guys
[08:10] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah I will never buy another ATI anything
[08:10] <tarzeau> Popoi: i think it's still on backports.org
[08:10] <Jamesinator> Ok, thanks guys. Is nVidia the most well-supported Linux Video card?
[08:10] <tarzeau> Popoi: any editor is good? i prefer mcedit and emacs
[08:11] <sauvin> OH! I see... I get to decide for MYSELF what gets put on the taskbar!
[08:11] <bmartin> Jamesinator, i'd have to say yes
[08:11] <dr_willis> Guilty_as_Sin,  they are known as "AMD" now anyway :) so thats true!
[08:11] <Guilty_as_Sin> I hate my laptop for the ATI card inside
[08:11] <mcantor> Jamesinator: So I've heard.  I've had no end of trouble with ATI
[08:11] <mcantor> sauvin: It works that way in all the DEs
[08:11] <Jowi> !info nvu
[08:11] <ubotu> Package nvu does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:11] <Jamesinator> Righto then.
[08:11] <bmartin> the drivers are currently proprietary, but the Nouveau project is working on a FOSS implementation
[08:11] <IndyGunFreak> Guilty_as_Sin: my laptop has intel graphics, and its OK..
[08:11] <unimatrix9> jowi
[08:11] <unimatrix9> http://www.planetmy.com/blog/?p=340
[08:11] <Popoi> tarzeau: Ok, thx, I'll check or maybe I'll try Bluefish ^^
[08:11] <panfist> hello, i was wondering which were some good/popular media players...im trying out xmms but i was wondering if there was something more like amarok for gnome or xfce
[08:11] <unimatrix9> get your nvu there
[08:11] <unimatrix9> backport 7.04
[08:11] <sauvin> I realise, but in some DEs that fact is less immediately obvious.
[08:11] <Guilty_as_Sin> something about radeon xpress 1100.. can't get it to fly on any distro
[08:11] <unimatrix9> http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/n/nvu/nvu_1.0final-0bpo1_i386.deb
[08:11] <Guilty_as_Sin> not even Sabayon
[08:11] <jughead> panfist, there's rhythmbox
[08:11] <mcantor> sauvin: You think so? I always have a blast playing with my DE panels and stuff
[08:12] <genefitz> I am all about nVidia for graphics cards, and AMD for cpus.
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> panfist: if you like xmms, use audacious, xmms doesn't come out w/ new versions anymore(that i know of), and audacious is pretty good.
[08:12] <bmartin> panfist, you could use Amarok in GNOME or XFCE... do you dislike KDE apps? they always crash for me, even Battle for Wesnoth
[08:12] <genefitz> Personal prefrence..
[08:12] <Guilty_as_Sin> and there live disc is 3d accelerated
[08:12] <Jowi> unimatrix9, good to know if I upgrade to feisty. thanks
[08:12] <panfist> thank you all for replies
[08:12] <sauvin> mcantor, I gave up trying to work with gnome and for the longest time decided if a computer doesn't have KDE on it, it's worthless.
[08:12] <panfist> jughead, i'll try it
[08:12] <genefitz> Mainly because every ATI card has crapped out on me, and about every intel processor has as well..
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> bmartin: Amarok works fine for me under Gnome, what errors do you get when running it.
[08:12] <panfist> indygunfreak i'll try audacious
[08:12] <mcantor> sauvin: Hahaha, I've been enejoying KDE for a while.  I forget why I switched away from Gnome
[08:12] <Popoi> unimatrix9: than you! =)
[08:12] <mcantor> panfist: I suggest amaroK
[08:13] <sauvin> I remember why I did. gnome crashed a lot.
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> panfist: i like it a lot but your mileage may very, similar to xmms, but w/ more options, etc.
[08:13] <user01> what ports do i need to forward to get bittorent to function correctly?  im forwarding tcp from router to the static address of my computer, but has 0 upload
[08:13] <panfist> bmartin im running xubuntu on my celeron laptop and was worried that enabling KDE apps might slow things down
[08:13] <oasisfai>
[08:13] <Kornbunto> dr_willis,  sorry fo the delayed reponse was reading, bascially I just want the bottom panel to show whatever app is active on that monitor, right now they are all shoping up on my primary monitor
[08:13] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah me2..
[08:13] <bmartin> IndyGunFreak: i get random crashes in just about every KDE app i use... even Konqueror crashes on me... but I use Fluxbox now (and used to use GNOME) so i don't use many of them
[08:13] <pete83> panfist: the Gnome clone of Amarok is supposed to be Exaile
[08:13] <stuart-> eh? anybody know how i can set pidgin up so that i can see their MSN 'nickname quotes'?
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> bmartin: i see
[08:13] <jetscreamer> user01: bittorrent randomizes the ports, change the config if you wnat to limit it
[08:13] <Guilty_as_Sin> don't care for enlightenment at all
[08:13] <panfist> mcantor pete83 well technicaly im not running gnome but im running other gnome apps in xfce and they seems to work fine
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> panfist: depending on the speed of your PC, kde apps might slow it down a tad, whats the system specs?
[08:14] <sauvin> panfist, I'm running kde (usually) on ubuntu on a laptop and am being continually amazed still at how FAST things run. I'm used to Fedora Core being a bit, um, lethargic.
[08:14] <unimatrix9> panfist : choice enough , i use beep-mediaplayer
[08:14] <user01> jetscreamer:  to i have allow allow an outgoing rule then on my router?
[08:14] <bmartin> panfist: it depends on the application; some are very resource intensive. i find a huge savings from not using a big desktop manager
[08:14] <unimatrix9> it can be skinned with winamp classic skins
[08:14] <mcantor> panfist: Yeah, they should.  Gnome and KDE apps should work fine in Xfce.
[08:14] <pete83> panfist: yes, but try Exaile and see how the interface in GTK compares the Amarok one
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> beep?... has nothing on audacious if you ask me.... plus isn't that supported by communism?
[08:14] <obf213> can you edit tags in rythmbox.
[08:14] <panfist> pete83 will do
[08:14] <user01> jetscreamer:  for the ramge of random ports?
[08:14] <panfist> unimatrix9 thanks ive made a note of that one
[08:14] <mcantor> obf213: There's a great tag editing program called EasyTag
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> obf213: i think so, if not, sudo apt-get install easytag
[08:14] <obf213> i googled it, and ppl say u can but i cant for somereason
[08:14] <z> is anyone a wiz with teh xserver?
[08:14] <jetscreamer> user01: you'd have to limit the range of ports bittorrent uses, or you'd have to open up a large range in the router
[08:14] <obf213> alright
[08:15] <genefitz> I am running Ubunty Feisty on my desktop and Ubuntu Ultimate 1.4 (feisty) on my notebook. I am impressed with both
[08:15] <IndyGunFreak> obf213: use easytag, its awesome.
[08:15] <unimatrix9> z ask what you like to know
[08:15] <bmartin> i honestly haven't noticed a big difference in speed between KDE and GNOME and XFCE, but KDE takes forever to load; it helps to use prelink to make it load faster
[08:15] <obf213> easytag it is, thanks guys
[08:15] <z> I can't seem to use startx fluxbox --:3
[08:15] <Popoi> obf213: Easytag rox!
[08:15] <panfist> sauvin what are your specs? my specs are 2.0ghz celeron and 256 megabytes of ram, 32 of which is shared with the video card...as soon as i have a some money to spare i will add another 256 or 512 or ram and then i wont really need to worry
[08:15] <jetscreamer> prelink means it's hogging your mem just waiting for you to use it
[08:15] <putergirl> I am unable to recieve messages on irc from people i know is there a way to recieve them?
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> putergirl: you probably need to register
[08:16] <panfist> im worried that enabling KDE app support in xfce will eat up some more RAM
[08:16] <bmartin> jetscreamer: i believe you're thinking of preload
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> !register | putergirl
[08:16] <ubotu> putergirl: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[08:16] <genefitz> bmartin, KDE is a little more friendly for the common windows user, the layout is more windows like, Personally, I am more into gnome myself.
[08:16] <jetscreamer> putergirl: try being identified, or having them identify, or both
[08:16] <Kornbunto> Jetscreamer after reading what you posted, maybe I didn't make myself clear, twinview is up and running perfectly, I just want a panel to show what apps are on what screen
[08:16] <jetscreamer> what he said
[08:16] <jetscreamer> bmartin: maybe... :/
[08:16] <sauvin> AMD Turion 64 1.8GHz, 1GB RAM, a mother of a HD. (wtf is an "amd turion 64"?)
[08:16] <calidoso> is anyone around that can help me trouble  shoot my wireless setup?
[08:17] <z> exit
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> genefitz: i don't find KDE to be anymore user friendly for Windows converts than Gnome or Xfce
[08:17] <user01> jetscreamer:  so if im getting good download speed but no upload i have to create a rule somewhere allowing uploads . . . somewhere on the computer iptables?
[08:17] <FFForever> if the us gov asked ubuntu 2 include monitoring software in its releases would it?
[08:17] <Justi1> what are some windows emulators besides WINE?
[08:17] <Guilty_as_Sin> I prefer KDE but still use Synaptic
[08:17] <obf213> ah nvm i guess for some reason. some of my files just can't be tagged
[08:17] <Jamesinator> calidoso: Are you using an RT card, and do you have encryption on your wireless network?
[08:17] <obf213> they just dont show up in easy tag
[08:17] <Flannel> FFForever: no
[08:17] <jetscreamer> user01: yes that is usually the cause, port blockage
[08:17] <Guilty_as_Sin> just never have cared for adept
[08:17] <TimMc> Hey, folks, what the crap is up with Thunderbird + Ubuntu?
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> obf213: what doesn't show up?
[08:17] <Flannel> TimMc: What do you mean?
[08:17] <TimMc> I mean, why are we still on 1.5?
[08:17] <Anlar> TimMc: ?
[08:17] <recon> Does anybody know a command that will show the size of a file in bits?
[08:17] <Flannel> TimMc: because TB2 was released after feisty
[08:17] <Jowi> Justi1, there are none. however I use qemu to run some older games instead of wine'ing them.
[08:17] <Anlar> TimMc: no one cares, they all use google mail anyways :)
[08:17] <tuxs4w> hi people, i installed ubuntu for my little brother, everything works fine apart from the fact that he can't seem to access https pages correctly in opera or firefox, he is connected to a wireless router. other pc's running windows connect fine to hotmail . . .
[08:17] <Kornbunto> Timc works fine for me
[08:18] <bmartin> genefitz: I'd agree... I simply encountered GNOME first and it's what i got used to... when i show people Ubuntu i load both desktops for them... i don't recommend one over the other
[08:18] <genefitz> Indy, I liked the layout of KDE more when I had just been introduced to linuc (mandrake 9) and I found it to be more like what I was used to...
[08:18] <TimMc> Anlar: You might be right. O.o
[08:18] <mcantor> Justi1: Wine's the only one in the game
[08:18] <FFForever> does the ubuntu team check the source b4 compiling it?, to see if another project has agreed 2?, or do u guys just hope that they don
[08:18] <tigerx> hello
[08:18] <FFForever> 't
[08:18] <genefitz> Now that I have become more comfortable in the linux world, I prefer gnome..
[08:18] <unimatrix9> hi tiger
[08:18] <tigerx> Just installed ubuntu yesterday :)
[08:18] <user01> jetscreamer:  or could it be because i didnt include udp?  i only have forwarded tcp from router
[08:18] <unimatrix9> and?
[08:18] <obf213> ok. so i figured out why i can't edit the tag on some fo the files...they are m4a.. is there a workaround to this anyone kows about
[08:18] <Flannel> TimMc: TB2 is in Gutsty, and I believe someone has a repository for TB2 also.
[08:18] <Kornbunto> dr_willis,  did you see what I typed to you?
[08:18] <TimMc> Kornbunto: Did you get TB 2 directly from Mozilla, or through apt-get?
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> genefitz: i guess i was the opposite, i figured if i was switching to linux, i wanted somethin totally different
[08:18] <mcantor> FFForever: The Ubuntu team wouldn't distribute something that wasn't freely available.
[08:18] <sauvin> I actually thing Windows users would find xfce to be hostile.
[08:18] <dr_willis> Kornbunto,  proberly not :)
[08:18] <tigerx> I really really like it, it seems very very stable!
[08:19] <Jowi> Justi1, there are a commercial copy of wine that some have more luck with ( i forgot its name)
[08:19] <jetscreamer> user01: afaik, it's either/or, tcp/udp... not sure though
[08:19] <Kornbunto> dr_willis,  sorry fo the delayed reponse was reading, bascially I just want the bottom panel to show whatever app is active on that monitor, right now they are all showing up on my primary monitor
[08:19] <calidoso> Jamesinator: I have a built in wireless. driver is ipw2200. I have WEP and an SSID. I have configured both on the card. I can connect to the wireless network when I boot in windows. when I run iwlist scan I pick up cell 01 and cell02 on wlan0
[08:19] <Jamesinator> Jowi: Cedega
[08:19] <stuart-> so after installing ubuntu over xubuntu i have the option to choose either, right?
[08:19] <bmartin> obf213: m4a files can be converted to other formats... if that's not too much work
[08:19] <Flannel> TimMc: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/18/manually-install-thunderbird-2-ubuntu-704/
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> i dont think iv'e ever heard of m4a
[08:19] <Jowi> Jamesinator, Justi1: that's the one. I prefer win98 under qemu though :)
[08:19] <jetscreamer> sure you have
[08:19] <Justi1> if I install windows on a separate partition, can I load that windows installation from linux, or do I have to boot up into windows?
[08:19] <jetscreamer> mpeg4
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> oh ok.
[08:19] <Shoopuf> Is there a way to make my MP3s defaul to Exaile? It keeps defaulting to Totem Player. :( :(
[08:20] <tigerx> is there anyway to play Mp3's with this?
[08:20] <dr_willis> Kornbunto,  doubt if thats doable.  could go ask in #gnome, but they tend to keep things very minimal. with twinview the 2 moitors are often treated as 'one' big monitor.
[08:20] <jetscreamer> man update-alternatives
[08:20] <Jowi> Justi1, you need to boot into windows.
[08:20] <tigerx> do I need like a converter?
[08:20] <bmartin> Jowi: is Win 98 easy to set up in qemu? i want to play some of my old Windows/DOS games (DOSBox usually does the trick)
[08:20] <Guilty_as_Sin> yes you can mount the windows volume from linux
[08:20] <SeveredCross> Justi1: You can try load it with VMWare, but it may fail.
[08:20] <tuxs4w> hi people, do you know waht coudl be blocking https / 443 pages? i can host game servers for people to join from the net etc, just HTTPS doesn't work for some reason :( any ideas where to look?
[08:20] <genefitz> Indy, well, when I first started using linux, I was just curious about it. In fact, I put away any ideas about linux for a few years afterward. Then when Ubuntu started gaining some popularity, I gave it another go..
[08:20] <unimatrix9> Shoopuf : was it not rightklick and open with ? then make default?
[08:20] <genefitz> At that time, linux was not nearly as user friendly as it is now..
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> i bet Amarok will edit tags on m4a's
[08:20] <Shoopuf> tigerx: get exaile it's a good MP3 player. you'll need the codecs as well
[08:20] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: I haven't gotten amaroK to support M4As
[08:20] <madman91> what command do i start virtualbox with?
[08:21] <Jowi> bmartin, it is very easy. kqemu (speedier hardware plugin) is good to have installed as well though. I run starcraft mostly.
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: oh ok.
[08:21] <tigerx> alright, Im use to winamp for windows, anything similiar to that?
[08:21] <Jowi> bmartin, s/run/play
[08:21] <calidoso> Jamesinator: Everything looks like it's configured properly but I just can't get an IP address when I run ifup wlan0 I run into this error - no dhcpoffers recieved
[08:21] <Guilty_as_Sin> virtualbox
[08:21] <dr_willis> madman91,  i though it was 'virtualbox' or VirtualBox
[08:21] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: its not there
[08:21] <jetscreamer> xmms ==winamp
[08:21] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: I heard some other people got it to work with it, but I haven't, hehe
[08:21] <TimMc> Kornbunto: Did you get TB 2 from repo or did you download it and install it manually?
[08:21] <Shoopuf> unimatrix9: i right-click to open with Exaile but it says nothing about default :(
[08:21] <madman91> tigerx: try amarok as well
[08:21] <ERIK_LIMA> !stream
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: i never tried, i just figured it was possible.
[08:21] <Guilty_as_Sin> then you didn't install it right
[08:21] <jetscreamer> !mplayer
[08:21] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[08:21] <Guilty_as_Sin> no offense
[08:21] <Jamesinator> calidoso: Do you have WEP configured properly, and do you have any restrictive rulesets on your router such as MAC filtering?
[08:21] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: I'm sure it is, I just haven't managed it
[08:21] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: sudo aptitude install virtualbox
[08:21] <ERIK_LIMA> !vlcs stream
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vlcs stream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: everything went as planned
[08:21] <panfist> bmartin you mentioned some battle for something app, is that a game?
[08:21] <Guilty_as_Sin> is it in the repos now?
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: well, let me rephrase, i figured it was probably pretty easy...lol
[08:21] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: yes
[08:22] <ERIK_LIMA> !vlc stream
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vlc stream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <Guilty_as_Sin> when I last installed it it was not
[08:22] <ryancr> #awn
[08:22] <jetscreamer> battle for wesnoth? blegh
[08:22] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: it is now
[08:22] <Guilty_as_Sin> try the one from the website
[08:22] <bathat_> i've been trying to recover my partition table after accidentally wiping the MBR for some time with testdisk, which was able to discover the partitions but i never wrote it to disk and the very next day, it stopped picking up anything
[08:22] <bmartin> panfist: Battle for Wesnoth is a turn-based RPG... it's in one of the Ubuntu repos
[08:22] <bathat_> i did nothing that would have caused any problems between the time it was working and when it stopped
[08:22] <Stuart87> Hi, I just installed ubuntu this afternoon, but can't get X to start
[08:22] <unimatrix9> Shoopuf : then its system / preferences and media ....
[08:22] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: ok
[08:22] <dr_willis> ' freecol ' is fun if you are an oldtimer like me and liked the original Colonization.
[08:22] <bmartin> panfist: it comes highly recommended... my 11-yr-old brother and i are addicted... i'm 24
[08:22] <sauvin> Found the virtual desktops under xfce. Please don't ask me to remember where I found them, though... :\
[08:22] <unimatrix9> Shoopuf : in the gnome menu
[08:23] <panfist> bmartin how does it compare to baldur's gate, or square RPGs
[08:23] <Jowi> dr_willis, I got the original *floppies* of colonization even :)
[08:23] <Kornbunto> TimMc,  I'm a noob, but basically I just installed it via ubuntu's applications manager
[08:23] <unimatrix9> panfist try battle of weshnot
[08:23] <tigerx> where do I get codecs for mp3's and such
[08:23] <TimMc> Kornbunto: Okay, thanks.
[08:23] <Flannel> !codecs | tigerx
[08:23] <justinkaas> hello, i just put ubuntu on my acre and something odd happened...the j and p keys stopped working
[08:23] <mcantor> tigerx: google "EasyUbuntu"
[08:23] <ubotu> tigerx: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:23] <TimMc> And you have 2.0?
[08:23] <calidoso> Jamesinator: Yes I have it restricted by MAC address but I already entered this MAC address into the router's list. WEP is enabled. 128 bit key. I've entered it into the /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:23] <sauvin> tigerx, for what application?
[08:23] <dr_willis> Jowi,  :) A true Classic
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> !codecs | tigerx
[08:24] <justinkaas> they worked under windows
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: easyubuntu is an awful idea.
[08:24] <bmartin> panfist: i'm not a big RPG player... i've played a couple of the first FF games... it's a top-view war game, supporting many players... and there are campaigns... it's hard to compare it to other things
[08:24] <Stuart87> Does anyone here run ubuntu on a 965GM???
[08:24] <Jowi> dr_willis, sure is. I haven't owned a floppy drive for ages though. heh
[08:24] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: It usually works fine for me.
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> tigerx: i
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> !works4me
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works4me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: What's wrong with it?
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> !works
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <Guilty_as_Sin> there should be easy gentoo, lmao
[08:24] <calidoso> Jamesinator: Thanks for the help BTW.. I've been reading up in the wiki and the forums all day and i haven't been able to get this up and running
[08:24] <dr_willis> Jowi,  i found a game thta was on the large floppies.. :)  LOOM! with audio tape!
[08:24] <tigerx> ?
[08:24] <Jamesinator> calidoso: http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2819
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: do a search, its been known to break systems, just like automatix
[08:25] <Guilty_as_Sin> easy 30 hour install..  how funny
[08:25] <smash_> hello everyone
[08:25] <Stuart87> Does anyone here run ubuntu on a 965GM?? I can't get X to run
[08:25] <dr_willis> Users - have been known to break systems. :)
[08:25] <IndyGunFreak> !worksforme
[08:25] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:25] <Jowi> dr_willis, loom is fantastic. I had no idea there was a separate cassette for it. how cool.
[08:25] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: You know, everyone always says that, but I've never actually met someone who's had it break their system.
[08:25] <IndyGunFreak> !automatix
[08:25] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:25] <mcantor> !easyubuntu
[08:25] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[08:25] <smash_> can any one help me. should i recompile my kernel headers while i am installing indiswrapper
[08:25] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: then yuou've not hung out here long enough, there's been several here trying to work out hosed systems because of easyubuntu/automatix
[08:25] <dr_willis> Jowi,  some audio/music tracks i guess. havent played it. :) aint got no tape player
[08:25] <Flannel> mcantor: We've had plenty, trust us.  They exist
[08:25] <ladydoor> smash_: Shouldn't be necessary
[08:26] <ladydoor> smash_: Just make sure they *are* installed.
[08:26] <Jamesinator> calidoso: As you can see by some of the commenters there, WEP apparently didn't work well for them, but one suggested that using madwifi instead of ndiswrapper would work
[08:26] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: Dude, it takes like 20 minutes to install Ubuntu.  If you have a fresh install, and EasyUbuntu screws things up, you can just reinstall.
[08:26] <Guilty_as_Sin> doesn't it come on pclinux?  automatix I mean
[08:26] <Shoopuf> tigerx: there's also a new version of exaile out 2.10 -- download instructions are here http://www.exaile.org/downloads
[08:26] <smash_> ladydoor: how can i  make sure it
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: well, some people don't want to risk that
[08:26] <Flannel> mcantor: And when you use it after you've already done lots of stuff, what then?
[08:26] <dr_willis> Or course I do belive that 'automatix' is NOT under the GPL....
[08:26] <bmartin> smash_: i don't recommend recompiling your own kernel, ever, unless you've got a lot of spare time on your hands and want to learn
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> and thats hardly a reason to "try it anyways"
[08:26] <madman91> Guilty_as_Sin: doesnt work
[08:26] <ladydoor> smash_: search for "headers" in synaptic
[08:26] <sauvin> GAR... the !codecs links points to a document that contains a link to realplayer10, only, it's a DEAD LINK!
[08:26] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: That's fair.
[08:26] <Guilty_as_Sin> well I have never tried pclinux nor have I ever wanted automatix
[08:27] <justinkaas> hello, i just put ubuntu on my acre and something odd happened...the j and p keys stopped working they worked under windows.
[08:27] <calidoso> Jamesinator: yup. I'm reading this. maybe it's worth a try.
[08:27] <mcantor> Flannel: Then, I wouldn't recommend EasyUbuntu/Automatix.
[08:27] <sauvin> I looked at the automatix page. It scared me.
[08:27] <Guilty_as_Sin> just seemed like I seen that browsing the watch one day
[08:27] <bmartin> smash_: ndiswrapper doesn't require recompilation of anything, but if you're compiling ndiswrapper yourself, you should have your kernel headers installed... did you want to know how to do that?
[08:27] <tigerx> so does the 2.10 include what I need for the playing the Mp3s
[08:27] <unimatrix9> if you can type j and k , then it works
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: of course, its a lot easier to just install the codecs, etc, the righ way
[08:27] <stuart-> thansen, how'd you set pidgin up so you could see the sentences under their nicks?
[08:27] <Jowi> dr_willis, I was surprised when I saw that my wife had a cassette walkman in one of the drawers (she had been hiding it there for years probably)
[08:27] <vip3rousmango> What can you do when ctl+alt+bckspace doesnt work?? :(
[08:27] <Jamesinator> calidoso: Ok, good luck. Sorry if I wasn't much help, I mostly help with people setting up RT cards on WPA/PSK. :P
[08:27] <ERIK_LIMA> exit
[08:27] <Jowi> !offtopic > jowi
[08:27] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: Flannel: The thing is, EasyUbuntu & Automatix help Ubuntu get past the chicken & egg problem of "Users won't come to Linux until 3rd parties make it easy to use things" and "3rd parties won't make it easy to use things until users come to Linux."
[08:27] <unimatrix9> mcantor : wich version of ubuntu?
[08:27] <mcantor> unimatrix9: At the moment I'm on Kubuntu 7.04
[08:28] <unimatrix9> ah i see...
[08:28] <Flannel> mcantor: Feisty has gotten past that.  Automatic codec installation, etc.
[08:28] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: the problem is, EasyUbuntu/Automatix go about it the wrong way...,
[08:28] <unimatrix9> hello pricechild
[08:28] <smash_> ladydoor: so just i need the linux headers while i am installing ndiswrapper?
[08:28] <unimatrix9> :P
[08:28] <sauvin> mcantor, automatix struck me as being a marketing/spyware game.
[08:28] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: I've been using Ubuntu for 2 years now, and whenever I decide to reinstall, I always forget which wiki pages help you install which codecs, etc.  It's just too frustrating.
[08:28] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: and i agree with Flannel if you can't install codecs, etc.., w/ Feisty, you're not trying
[08:28] <mcantor> sauvin: I don't know too much about Automatix
[08:28] <sauvin> Go look at the web page.
[08:28] <JohnsonsWhatever> I'm new to Linux and all that. Been around for 12 years almost and it's been like all the Windows ever been out there almost and some Mac OS X and I must say, I gone over to Ubuntu.  They're useful to have around, anyway. Just make sure they match your kernel version.
[08:28] <JohnsonsWhatever> Specially with the Beryl!
[08:28] <JohnsonsWhatever> <3
[08:28] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: bookmark them... i've got probably 20 bookmarks saved, in addition to .mht files of extremely important info i'm worried might go down
[08:29] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: why are you using those keys? lockups?
[08:29] <Jamesinator> IndyGunFreak: The point of Ubuntu is that you shouldn't HAVE to be trying. Ubuntu is masterful at the amount of ease it puts into the installation, but were it not for several weekends lost googling fixes and asking for help in the IRC, I wouldn't have a working Ubuntu install.
[08:29] <unimatrix9> mcantor, try to follow the how to on restricted codecs , if it does not work, you can still ask here
[08:29] <obf213> does anyone know how to get
[08:29] <Jamesinator> IndyGunFreak: It still needs a way to go towards hands-free installation
[08:29] <mcantor> unimatrix9: Aye, aye.
[08:29] <mcantor> Jamesinator: That's what I'm saying
[08:29] <bmartin> ofb213: what are you trying to get?
[08:29] <IndyGunFreak> Jamesinator: what does?
[08:29] <obf213> does anyone know how to get easytag to write mp4 files
[08:29] <mcantor> IndyGunFreak: Linux.  Ubuntu.
[08:29] <ant-> Jamesinator, my install was hands free
[08:29] <Flannel> Guys, take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, you're drowning out the support requests, thanks.
[08:29] <smash_> ladydoor: after that why i need to run sudo apt-get install dh-make fakeroot gcc-3.4 build-essential
[08:30] <Stuart87> Does anyone here run ubuntu on a 965GM?? I just installed, and I can't get X to run at all!
[08:30] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: yeah, i was in the middle of swtiching tabs of playing vids on youtube and whamo, everything froze including the mouse. tryed c+a+b: it stared the desktop reboot and it froze in the middle of that!..
[08:30] <obf213> their website says easytag supports writing m4a files
[08:30] <obf213> but they never show up when i run easy tag
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> mcantor: oh i agree with that, its not quite there yet, but recommending automatix/EU is bad mojo.
[08:30] <Jamesinator> ant-: Not everybody is using the exact same hardware with the exact same configuration with the exact same needs, etc.
[08:30] <obf213> i have 2.0
[08:30] <obf213> it said 2.x can support m4a.
[08:30] <Guilty_as_Sin> I'm pretty impressed with Sabayon myself..   don't get me wrong I will always be a ubuntu fanboy as well..  but for kicks and giggles..  Sabayon has been a lot of fun
[08:30] <Jamesinator> ant-: Hands-free installation is a rather hit-or-miss problem for the Ubuntu devs at the moment
[08:30] <aruiz> does anyone knows which is the bazzar url to branch this project: https://code.launchpad.net/vala ?
[08:30] <Jowi> Stuart87, yeah. it works fine. you need to install the package "915resolution" and use the driver "i810"
[08:30] <Guilty_as_Sin> (I like to try all the distros by the way)
[08:31] <sauvin> Dunno about writing an m4a, but mplayer with all da codecseses can play them.
[08:31] <Stuart87> Jowi, Thanks heaps, where can i dl it?
[08:31] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: you can go to one of your terminals (CTRL+ALT+1) and issue the command sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:31] <Jowi> Stuart87, after you install 915resolution run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select i810 and the resolution you want. then restart the computer.
[08:31] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: CTRL+ALT+F1, sorry about that
[08:31] <Jowi> Stuart87, "sudo apt-get install 915resolution"
[08:31] <unimatrix9> mcantor : install all codecs , and config , use aptoncd to backup your cache of apt deb files
[08:31] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: couldn't everything froze.
[08:32] <mcantor> unimatrix9: Duh-buh-wha?
[08:32] <obf213> yeah i cna play the file with rhythmbox fine.
[08:32] <Stuart87> Jowi, does it need to be compiled? Or can i just run it in a tty?
[08:32] <Jowi> Stuart87, I run beryl on the 945GM and it flies (even though it only uses 64MB shared memory it is really good)
[08:32] <smash_> ladydoor why i have to do dh-make
[08:32] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: are you on a laptop? it sounds symptomatic of a low battery... i don't really know what might have caused it
[08:32] <Jowi> Stuart87, open a terminal. type "sudo apt-get install 915resolution"
[08:32] <worzel> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:32] <Stuart87> Jowi, arrrrrrr my dream! Beryl....
[08:32] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: yup, on a laptop but im plugged in right now...
[08:33] <unimatrix9> never mind
[08:33] <sauvin> I saw screenshots of beryl and don't understand the fascination.
[08:33] <unimatrix9> hehe
[08:33] <CharminTheMoose> what does 915resolution do?
[08:33] <smash_> does anyone knows about the availability of native driver for D-Link DWL510 ethernet in ubundu
[08:33] <Jowi> !resolution | Stuart87 (here are instructions)
[08:33] <ubotu> Stuart87 (here are instructions): The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:33] <vip3rousmango> sauvin: um.. rotating desktop actioN?? thats sweet is it not?
[08:33] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: i don't know what to tell you... if your computer's completely frozen, a restart is the only option i can think of
[08:34] <sauvin> Vip3rousmango, eye candy.
[08:34] <bmartin> sauvin: me neither... it doesn't make me more productive or anything like that
[08:34] <Guilty_as_Sin> you can restart x with a simple ctrl+alt+backspace as well
[08:34] <Stuart87> Jowi, thankyou!
[08:34] <Jowi> CharminTheMoose, it patches some bios commands for the intel chipsets so it can use higher resolutions i believe
[08:34] <mcantor> Has anyone here ever installed WINDOWS on an Ubuntu-only laptop, with the intention of dual-booting?
[08:34] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: thats what i figured, so thats what I did.. and during boot up (after ubuntu splash screen) I get [150.196000]  Buffer I/O Error on device sr0, logical block 225
[08:34] <CharminTheMoose> Jowi, wouldn't that run the risk of blowing up the chipset/monitor?
[08:34] <vip3rousmango> while its booting up
[08:35] <Jowi> CharminTheMoose, no.
[08:35] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: did you try Google?
[08:35] <Guilty_as_Sin> mcantor, you will like the "supergrub" disc
[08:35] <stuart-> i've installed a bunch of stuff on XFCE, when i install ubuntu-desktop and use Gnome later, it's still gonna be the same, right?
[08:35] <mcantor> Guilty_as_Sin: What's that?
[08:35] <smash_> hello everyone...  does any one knows about the native driver
[08:35] <XiXaQ> how do I change which ethernet interface that is used for internet from bash?
[08:35] <CharminTheMoose> Jowi, um, why not?
[08:35] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: im googling it as we type, but i thought someone might have an idea in the chan
[08:35] <linoleum> please everybody : I wonder if there is an alternative to Flashget, under ubuntu ? because my ADLS hang up very often, and I need to download large files
[08:35] <mcantor> stuart-: You might see a few new entries in your Applications menu, but otherwise Gnome shouldn't be different
[08:35] <mcantor> XiXaQ: Look into the "ifconfig" command
[08:35] <Guilty_as_Sin> well when you install windows last it destroys grub..  so..  that fixes grub for you so you can boot both systems again
[08:35] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: i don't know what device sr0 would be
[08:35] <Shoopuf> linoleum: DownThemAll
[08:36] <unimatrix9> supergrub is an good tip thanks , thats new....
[08:36] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: well what would that reference too normally?? Is that usb, cd, hd?..
[08:36] <XiXaQ> mcantor, what shall I look for? The eth interface is connected and up and running, it just doesn't connect to the internet.
[08:36] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah I love it
[08:36] <Jowi> CharminTheMoose, http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
[08:36] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: looks like a CD/DVD device
[08:36] <Guilty_as_Sin> had to use it today actually
[08:36] <stuart-> mcantor, as in all the programs i've installed earlier would be on gnome's menu's as well? no dependency issues, right?
[08:36] <genefitz> The whole resolution fix was the hardest thing for me to get past. I crashed my x-server quite a few times.. Until I found out how to let ubuntu set up my screen and video card without having to do a gedit
[08:36] <Shoopuf> linoleum: My internet cuts out often too. DownThemAll is a download resumer for Firefox (an addon) that works pretty well.
[08:36] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: ok well that'd ahve to be my dvd burner then, its the only one for the laptop
[08:36] <Jowi> CharminTheMoose, it's the intel guys themselves that provide the drivers so I doubt they would risk it :)
[08:36] <sauvin> mcantor, it may be possible to install Windows on an $other_OS desktop, but some surgery will be needed afterwards because MS is notorious for NOT respecting anybody else's boot loader.
[08:37] <linoleum> Shoopuf: gret tank you very much
[08:37] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: do you get the error every time?
[08:37] <mcantor> sauvin: That's so, SO lame.
[08:37] <CharminTheMoose> aww damn
[08:37] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: nope, only after this lil freezing mishap
[08:37] <sauvin> Um... "lame"? You're a MUCH nicer person than I am.
[08:37] <unimatrix9> windos overwrites any bootloader it meets
[08:37] <napster_> i really need help...Can any1 plz help me?
[08:37] <unimatrix9> its not friendly ...
[08:37] <Guilty_as_Sin> I hope he partioned his drive b4 installing windows secondf
[08:37] <unimatrix9> napster?
[08:37] <CharminTheMoose> however useless it'd be.
[08:37] <mcantor> sauvin: Looks like it'll be simpler to just backup my home directory, blast my whole hard drive, install Windows, then install Linux again
[08:37] <bmartin> napster_: what's the problem?
[08:37] <Guilty_as_Sin> otherwise he has no ubuntu anymore
[08:37] <sauvin> mcantor, yes, that would be a lot less painful.
[08:38] <bmartin> vip3rousmango: it's probably nothing to worry about... if you were burning a CD or DVD it's probably no good anymore
[08:38] <Guilty_as_Sin> unless he has multiple drives
[08:38] <genefitz> I found it easier to load windows then linux.
[08:38] <napster_> bmartin: i just got a tv card but i cant seem 2 get it to work...i dont knopw wat 2 do
[08:38] <vip3rousmango> bmartin: hokay.. well if it comes up again.. i'll poke around a little more
[08:38] <unimatrix9> lucky that ubuntu installs in under 30 minutes
[08:38] <genefitz> Grub takes over the bootloader position and is friendly.
[08:38] <m1r> napster_ try tvtime
[08:38] <bmartin> napster_: what brand? it might not be supported. my Hauppage worked out of the box
[08:38] <napster_> wats that?
[08:39] <vip3rousmango> thats because linux has nothing to fear =b
[08:39] <persept> can i write zeroes to EVERY part of a hard drive including the boot sector with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1  ?
[08:39] <smash_> hello everyone please come any one for help
[08:39] <m1r> napster_ , tv applcation
[08:39] <napster_> its a lifeview
[08:39] <sauvin> I find windows a lot tougher to install than windows. It takes longer, it requires more reboots, and when you're done, you'll be rebooting after each new application is installed.
[08:39] <unimatrix9> napster try tvtime its an program fro you tv card
[08:39] <gravemind> hey guys, I tried that smart boot disk floppy thing, but when I selected boot from cd rom, it said disc error 00xAA or something
[08:39] <unimatrix9> for*
[08:39] <m1r> napster_ , does it detect with lspci ?
[08:39] <abo> how can I change screen resolution in Ubuntu?
[08:39] <bmartin> !lspci
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <bmartin> stupid bot
[08:39] <unimatrix9> gravemind  , i recommended the program for you , it does not see cdrom?
[08:39] <sauvin> As for Ubuntu installing in under 30 minutes... heee... bitch installed itself on my laptop from a livedvd in less time than it took for me to grab some food out of the fridge and chuck it into the microwave.
[08:39] <sfreak> persept: yes, also good to use is DBAN, wonderful little utility for erasing disks from start to finish
[08:39] <mcantor> By the way, does anyone know a good way to debug/test bricked external USB hard drives from Linux?  Is that possible, practical?
[08:40] <napster_> bmartin: no
[08:40] <Guilty_as_Sin> on the alternate disc I can get it installed in about 23minutes
[08:40] <gravemind> unimatrix9: cdrom is an option, but trying to boot from it does not work. I hope that answered your question
[08:40] <sauvin> mcantor, what do you mean by test?
[08:40] <Shoopuf> abo: go to System Menu > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[08:40] <Guilty_as_Sin> (text install)
[08:40] <mcantor> sauvin: Er.. find out if the data is recoverable?  Or see what's actually wrong?
[08:40] <unimatrix9> hmm, seems to be an very old cdrom drive?
[08:40] <napster_> bmartin: sorry. Its a lifeview and the chip says conexant FUSION...
[08:40] <sauvin> Oh. I don't know :(
[08:41] <m1r> napster_ , apt-get install tvtime
[08:41] <panfist> im kind of an xchat noob...is there a way to filter out joining and leaving messages? is there a way to dynamically add key words that will be highlighted like your nickname?
[08:41] <smash_> bamartin: does the native drivers for DWL-G510 available in ubuntu
[08:41] <Guilty_as_Sin> right click and hit preff.
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: not sure if that chipset will work with TVTime.
[08:41] <Jowi> panfist, right click on the channel tab and untick the join/leave messages
[08:41] <gravemind> unimatrix9: yes it is. I've had troubles with cdroms in windows 98 before, but usually they work fine in linux or xp
[08:41] <Shoopuf> panfist: if you're using the one that doesn't say "GNOME" in the name, right-click on the channel name (like "#ubuntu") then uncheck join/leave
[08:41] <gravemind> unimatrix9: perhaps the bios will need to be updated afterall
[08:41] <unimatrix9> gravemind : there is no option , you are sure in bios to set to boot from cdrom?
[08:42] <bmartin> napster_: So you ran lspci and the chipset showed up?
[08:42] <Shoopuf> panfist: And if you find out a way that they don't turn back on every time you open the program up let me know. :P
[08:42] <napster_> bmartin: no
[08:42] <Guilty_as_Sin> even better answer (I haven't used it in a few)
[08:42] <gravemind> unimatrix9: right, that is not an option in the bios setup
[08:42] <younghacker> I am getting a NAT error on my ports when setting up Azereus , My VMWare is providing the NAT service is there something that i have to do in Azereus to mitigate this?
[08:42] <sauvin> I've actually had the opposite problem. I've never had Windows give me any crap over a CD or DVD, but Linux does once in a blue moon.
[08:42] <panfist> jowi shoopuf thank you
[08:42] <persept> sfreak: it's a scsi drive, so i think the floppy wouldn't have the drivers for it, so i'll just use dd, and that will write to EVERY spot?
[08:42] <younghacker> or should i suspect that my VM won't allow me to use Azereus?
[08:43] <Guilty_as_Sin> azureus sucks in linux
[08:43] <panfist> is anyone familiar with hydra irc for windows? is there a similar client like that for nix?
[08:43] <sfreak> afaik
[08:43] <vip3rousmango> younghacker: there is an azureus for linux.. but it blows
[08:43] <bmartin> napster_: i'm looking for instructions in Google... have you tried using it in any programs?
[08:43] <younghacker> really
[08:43] <Guilty_as_Sin> (java clients suck in general if you want my opinion)
[08:43] <arpegius> how do i figure out the driver that my (working) wireless card is using?
[08:43] <younghacker> aww man , so it's most like the software?
[08:43] <madman91> vip3rousmango: why does azureus blow?
[08:43] <unimatrix9> gravemind did you try more times, and was the cdrom that you needed to boot in the drive, i use it ( smartboot ) many times with older ibm machines
[08:43] <smash_> is anyone familiar with linux wireless ethernet drivers
[08:43] <sauvin> panfist, hydra is/was on what platform?
[08:43] <abo> Shoopuf, ok it lists 1024/768 as the highest, how could I increase that?
[08:43] <kitche> younghacker: not really since it's the same pretty much as in windows
[08:43] <sfreak> That's what DBAN does, but instead I think it reads from /dev/urandom to wipe the drive
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: i'd use google and see if anyone else has gotten your card to work....
[08:43] <panfist> sauvin windows
[08:43] <napster_> im trying 2 download tvtime now
[08:43] <mcantor> arpegius: Try "lspci | grep 802" in console.
[08:43] <sauvin> Don't know a damn thing about it. :(
[08:43] <vip3rousmango> madman91: in linux, its just too bulky and i find it wont find peers as quickly as bittornado or ktorrent
[08:44] <younghacker> oh just linux and azereus don't play nice together?
[08:44] <Shoopuf> abo: increase screen resolution past that? ............ no idea... umm, what is your video card?
[08:44] <Guilty_as_Sin> azureus in linux is like a hole in the head
[08:44] <younghacker> lol
[08:44] <napster_> its my first time ever having a tv card for linux or windows or anything so im clueless
[08:44] <younghacker> dag
[08:44] <recon> What unit does "du" show file size in? bits? bytes? kilobytes?
[08:44] <sauvin> panfist, if you're using the full xchat, and not the gnome-xchat thingie, you're probably already using the best client available (IMO).
[08:44] <panfist> sauvin hydra is a pretty fully featured free client, i dunno if it's as popular as mirc or easy to script for but i dont need those features and hydra is free
[08:44] <vip3rousmango> az in windows is great, i use it to the max but linux.. nope.
[08:44] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah just do what I do...  install wine and run utorrent
[08:44] <madman91> vip3rousmango: you find it wont find peers as quickly? did you conduct a study or just base it on how bored you were?
[08:44] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: well, first time or not, Google will likely hold some answers for you
[08:44] <unimatrix9> younghacker  , try frostwire..maybe an option?
[08:44] <Guilty_as_Sin> or if you want to stay linux native ktorrent is as close as I could get
[08:44] <dshufelt> if there is anyone here that is at Ubuntu Live, we just started a #ubuntu-live room
[08:44] <Guilty_as_Sin> but it seems sluggish
[08:44] <madman91> rtorrent is the best linux torrent client
[08:45] <sfreak> recon use du -h to make it easier to read
[08:45] <younghacker> is frostwire command line or GUI, rtorrent?
[08:45] <larson999> i use it in linux and don't think it's THAT bad.
[08:45] <clouder> I like transmission for torrents
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> rtorrent?.. never heard of that one, i like Ktorrent
[08:45] <napster_> i searched google...i didnt find anything
[08:45] <madman91> younghacker: frostwire is gui , rtorrent is cli
[08:45] <unimatrix9> gui frostwire
[08:45] <madman91> IndyGunFreak: rtorrent is cli
[08:45] <younghacker> i'll take both
[08:45] <panfist> sauvin hydra has a nice feature where there is a small panel which shows chat messages of all the channels you have open
[08:45] <younghacker> lol
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> madman91: i see
[08:45] <unimatrix9> hehe
[08:45] <madman91> younghacker: rtorrent is only for bittorrent.. frostwire is for gnutella networks
[08:45] <recon> sfreak: K being kilobyte?
[08:45] <vip3rousmango> madman91: bordem. i have tones of free time at work. and i sat there and watched az download a 5mb file at 25kb/s i downloaded the same file @ 124.2kb/s with ktorrent
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: how do you even know if your card is recognized?
[08:46] <sfreak> yupper
[08:46] <recon> sfreak: ok, thanks.
[08:46] <recon> been a while since i've worked w/ubuntu
[08:46] <sauvin> xchat has all the tabs along the bottom (well, mine does, anyway) and you CAN enable a "rawlog" if you want to see everything.
[08:46] <napster_> IndyGunFreak: i dont...i dont know how 2 check
[08:46] <madman91> vip3rousmango: same exact amount of peers? .. did the tracker announce at the same time?
[08:46] <sauvin> why would you want to see ALL the messages in ONE window anyway?
[08:46] <madman91> vip3rousmango: how do you know those people didnt start uploding another torrent, thus draining their bandwidth
[08:46] <Guilty_as_Sin> too many variables to say one app is better.. maybe one is better configured, I still prefer utor
[08:46] <abo> Shoopuf, Radeon X300
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: open a terminal, and type 'lspci', no quotes, then hit enter, and look at the output, see if anything looks like your tvtuner
[08:47] <jetscreamer> lspci | less
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> jetscreamer: what would that do?
[08:47] <jetscreamer> not scroll all the screens at once
[08:47] <pr4bh> can anyone recommend a good looking chess package for ubuntu plz?
[08:47] <Shoopuf> abo: If you go to System Menu > Administration > Restricted Driver Manager   does it say anything about letting you install a video driver?
[08:47] <kitche> Guilty_as_Sin: ah so you like bittorrent then since that's what utorrent is owned by
[08:47] <jetscreamer> let you read it
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, nevre saw that one
[08:47] <bmartin> napster_: try this page (see jumpfroggy's post): http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=344884
[08:48] <vip3rousmango> madman91: yes. at the time of download yes, it was the same amount of peers. i can't tell you about the bandwidth on their side, have nothing to check that..
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> jetscreamer: well, all you have tod o is expand your terminal, and you'll likely see everything
[08:48] <vip3rousmango> madman91: it was a quick test out of fustration that az was going slow.
[08:48] <recon> on ubuntu, is /dev/random a psuedorandom number generator or actual random number generator?
[08:48] <madman91> vip3rousmango: :) thats fun, I am not defending azureus
[08:48] <madman91> vip3rousmango: i just wanted to know your experiment
[08:48] <Guilty_as_Sin> kitche I guess I do
[08:49] <vip3rousmango> madman91: yar matie
[08:49] <Guilty_as_Sin> but I don't like bittorents GUI if that is what you are getting at
[08:49] <napster_> bmartin: i cant open firefox anymore. I just did an update and it wont let me do anything
[08:49] <madman91> vip3rousmango: next time test out rtorrent as well
[08:49] <Guilty_as_Sin> and there are nowhere near the amount of settings
[08:49] <twiggz> anyone ever have problems installing fiesty over a 6.06 install? 6.06 installs fine....fiesty will not.
[08:49] <madman91> in order of greatness .. rtorrent --> azureus --> the rest
[08:49] <nayyares> our company has about 800 clients, we are looking to update some of the packages time to time, is there any tool available that can search clients with older version of especific packages and update them from local mirror?
[08:49] <twiggz> I am going to try tribe 3 of gutsy not.
[08:49] <Guilty_as_Sin> can't really tweak that lil thing that comes on ubuntu
[08:49] <twiggz> now*
[08:50] <bmartin> napster_: open up a terminal and rename your .mozilla directory to something else (like .mozilla-old) and see if it starts... you could also try running it from a terminal to see if it spits out an error message
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: so what kind of tvtuner do you have
[08:50] <bmartin> napster_: renaming that directory will remove all your plugins, but you can move/copy them back, of course
[08:51] <bullgard4> What is the difference between LVM and LVM2?
[08:51] <Guilty_as_Sin> and trying to seed it back after you have closed the operation..   you have to go all the way back and find the place where you downloaded the file and start the torrent all over again, what a pain in the rump
[08:51] <ramza3> how do I lock my screen
[08:51] <Guilty_as_Sin> utorrent rules!
[08:51] <napster_> wats the command 4 rename?
[08:51] <bmartin> ramza3: normally CTRL+ALT+L
[08:52] <shishir> mv oldfilename newfilename
[08:52] <abo> Shoopuf, it lists an ATI proprietary driver which is not enabled... should I enable it?
[08:52] <napster_> bmartin: it didnt work
[08:52] <shishir> anybody has idea about DVDs of Ubuntu's repo
[08:53] <Shoopuf> abo: i dont have expertise in that. i assume it's your video card driver but ask someone else
[08:53] <unimatrix9> abo what do you need the most?
[08:53] <bmartin> napster_: did you try running it from the terminal?
[08:53] <unimatrix9> abo : 3 D desktop , or playing games?
[08:53] <ikonia> shishir: in what way ?
[08:53] <Shoopuf> unimatrix9: abo wants to raise his screen resolution past 1024 but screen resolution wont let him
[08:53] <Xecuter88> can anybody tell me of a good program for monitorin audio input and output?
[08:53] <unimatrix9> ah i see
[08:54] <student_modnar> could someone please tell me what program\process should I use if I installed Fiesty on a box with Win 2k and afterwards, the NTFS partition on the drive I installed to with the guided option doesn't work?
[08:54] <napster_> bmartin: when i go into the update screen though it says: Software index is broken
[08:54] <napster_> It is impossible to install or remove any software. Please use the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get install -f" in a terminal to fix this issue at first.
[08:54] <unimatrix9> abo , you need to know what your screen can do ( look into you monitors manual )
[08:54] <jbsn> does Ubuntu run on the Dell 531s ?
[08:54] <IndyGunFreak> jbsn: thats a pretty specific question, try google.
[08:54] <unimatrix9> then edit your xorg.conf settings to the right value
[08:54] <IndyGunFreak> but it all depends on the hardware
[08:54] <bmartin> napster_: run that command in a terminal... it happens to me often, sadly
[08:54] <Guilty_as_Sin> napster did you edit your sources list?
[08:55] <] DR[Blargh> does ubuntu support sata ?
[08:55] <student_modnar> I've tried gpart, but that just seems to freeze up, it ran for 16 minutes trying to detect NTFS partitions
[08:55] <fiveiron> whats that app that can run an OS installed on a separate partition from within a window?
[08:55] <unimatrix9> google around for your monitor ( for example samsung 710c ubuntu )
[08:55] <kitche> ] DR[Blargh: yes
[08:55] <clouder> Guilty_as_Sin: you run utorrent under wine?
[08:55] <bmartin> ] DR[Blargh: yep
[08:55] <jbsn> IndyGunFreak, already tried google.. was hoping someone in here might have a Dell 531s running Ubuntu, hence the question! :)
[08:55] <Guilty_as_Sin> yes
[08:55] <napster_> i did
[08:55] <napster_> il show u the output now
[08:55] <kitche> fiveiron: vmware workstation can
[08:55] <] DR[Blargh> ntfs is usable ?
[08:55] <fiveiron> yeah thats it ... vmware...  or xen too i think
[08:56] <student_modnar> jbsn: It comes on a live cd so you can test drive it before installation, have you already run it?
[08:56] <Xecuter88> can anybody tell me of a good program for monitorin audio input and output?
[08:56] <Guilty_as_Sin> clouder, why?
[08:56] <napster_> bmartin: napster@napster-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[08:56] <napster_> Reading package lists... Done
[08:56] <napster_> Building dependency tree
[08:56] <napster_> Reading state information... Done
[08:56] <napster_> Correcting dependencies... Done
[08:56] <napster_> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[08:56] <napster_>   python-pygoocanvas libgoocanvas-common libgnokii3 libsqlite0 python-pysqlite2 python-dateutil python-sqlite
[08:56] <napster_>   python-vobject python-elementtree libgoocanvas1
[08:56] <] DR[Blargh> im a first time linux user
[08:56] <kitche> fiveiron: well xen is different
[08:56] <napster_> After unpacking 73.7kB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:56] <jbsn> student_modnar, I don't have the box, I didn't want to buy a box that wouldn't run Ubuntu.. but I didn't want to buy one of Dells crippled Ubuntu pre-installed boxes :)
[08:56] <napster_> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[08:57] <napster_> (Reading database ... 125111 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:57] <napster_> Preparing to replace firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 (using .../firefox_<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[08:57] <IndyGunFreak> welcome to the club
[08:57] <napster_> Unpacking replacement firefox ...
[08:57] <fiveiron> kitche, how so?
[08:57] <johny5> Ok, I'm still having problems installing Ubuntu 6.06 on a Software Raid system...is there anyway that I can create a /boot cd without ever accessing the computer which it needs to boot?
[08:57] <student_modnar> jbsn: ah, hmm don't know then, sorry
[08:57] <bmartin> !pastebin | napster_
[08:57] <ubotu> napster_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:57] <] DR[Blargh> can linux work on ntfs partitions ?
[08:57] <IndyGunFreak> boy he doesn't listen well...lol
[08:57] <spy80us> any1 know how to get the zen vision m recognized?
[08:57] <Xecuter88> can anybody tell me of a good program for monitorin audio input and output?
[08:57] <ikonia> ] DR[Blargh: bit reakky
[08:57] <student_modnar> ] DR[Blargh: you can't run Linux off a NTFS partition but it can read and write
[08:57] <] DR[Blargh> ahhh crap
[08:57] <] DR[Blargh> all my hds are ntfs
[08:58] <bmartin> napster_: did that solve the problem? or is it still not loading?
[08:58] <clouder> Guilty_as_Sin: just don't see the point.  I'm was a huge utorrent fan on windows as well, but transmission is basically utorrent for linux/mac
[08:58] <unimatrix9> !ntfs
[08:58] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:58] <napster_> bmartin: did u c that thing?
[08:58] <student_modnar> ] DR[Blargh: ntfsresize if you have any free space so you can just resize the partition
[08:58] <Guilty_as_Sin> ah'  I heared of that but just never got around to giving it a go
[08:58] <PriceChild> !paste | napster_
[08:58] <ubotu> napster_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:58] <Guilty_as_Sin> I would love nothing more than to get wine off my system
[08:58] <Guilty_as_Sin> that is all I use it for
[08:58] <] DR[Blargh> thank you modnar
[08:58] <napster_> sorry
[08:58] <bmartin> napster_: yep... it replaced your Firefox with a newer one... that's all i gathered
[08:58] <napster_> didnt know
[08:58] <obf213> can anyone here familiar with easy tag tell me how i can change the info for more than one song at the same time
[08:59] <obf213> for example changng the genre of a an album of songs
[08:59] <napster_> but it has those errors at the end so it wont let me update and stuff
[08:59] <Shoopuf> abo : try turning the ati driver on, cant hurt can it? >_>
[08:59] <IndyGunFreak> obf213: i'm not sure you can
[08:59] <clouder> Guilty_as_Sin: highly recommend it them ;D
[08:59] <Guilty_as_Sin> I usually only fix it if it's broke..  if you know what I mean
[08:59] <] DR[Blargh> vista is a piece of crap and xp takes a good amount of money to protect yourself so im looking for alternatives
[08:59] <bmartin> napster_: i didn't see any errors... could you use pastebin so i can see the whole thing in one spot?
[08:59] <Guilty_as_Sin> but yes, I will give it a go
[08:59] <gravemind> how do you format a floppy to fat? gfloppy doesn't seem to exist anymore :(
[09:00] <Guilty_as_Sin> (after I figure out what is wrong with this acer)
[09:00] <ilovejump> hello everyone i've got a question=) is it possible to get the audio working on Call of Duty 2 on wine?
[09:00] <burak_> hello
[09:00] <Guilty_as_Sin> besides the fact that it's an acer I mean
[09:00] <IndyGunFreak> obf213: i know with Amarok, you can change tags for multiple songs(for example, you can change the tags for al lthe songs under a particular artist)
[09:00] <IndyGunFreak> not sure about easytag though
[09:00] <bmartin> ] DR[Blargh, you can resize your NTFS partition and install Linux on a drive that has Windows on it... that's always an option
[09:00] <] DR[Blargh> im going to set a partition on one of my 3 drives and put it on there
[09:01] <student_modnar> gravemind: mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 should work for you
[09:01] <bmartin> i don't own an NTFS-formatted drive... i have 7 computers in my house and one of them uses FAT32 with XP... i'm just not a fan of locking myself into proprietary MS stuff
[09:01] <burak_> help pls
[09:01] <DJ-_-> !iptables
[09:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:01] <napster_> i cant get onto firefox so i cant so let me pm it 2 u
[09:01] <gravemind> student_modnar: yay! thanks. this is readable in win 98, right?
[09:01] <DJ-_-> is there anyway to stop iptables?
[09:01] <unimatrix9> Guilty_as_sin : did you look at alternatives for utorrent : deluge, ktorrent or something like that?
[09:01] <student_modnar> gravemind: should be, might check the man page on it, I haven't personally done it
[09:01] <Guilty_as_Sin> yes
[09:01] <bmartin> napster_: my mistake... you could use another browser, go ahead and PM me
[09:01] <ikonia> DJ-_-: iptables -F
[09:01] <ikonia> DJ-_-: iptables -X
[09:02] <] DR[Blargh> i just use windows to play games
[09:02] <ilovejump> So can anyone help me with audio in CoD2, wine?:p
[09:02] <unimatrix9> Guilty_as_sin : did not like them?
[09:02] <Guilty_as_Sin> and even after port forwarding and stuff, they all ran slow
[09:02] <ikonia> DJ-_-: or the iptables init script
[09:02] <obf213> yeah i figured it out. you have to click a the button next tot he article that you change to apply to all selected songs
[09:02] <] DR[Blargh> nothing with sensitive material
[09:02] <DJ-_-> iknoia: X to bring it back?
[09:02] <unimatrix9> ah i see
[09:02] <unimatrix9> to bad
[09:02] <Guilty_as_Sin> (tested them on various distros since they have the about the same speeds usually)
[09:02] <DJ-_-> ikonia: /etc/init.d/iptables does not exist
[09:02] <bmartin> ] DR[Blargh: i'm looking into qemu ATM to play a couple Windows games... probably in Win 98
[09:02] <ikonia> DJ-_-: no . man iptables for more details
[09:02] <SuperNova-A64> does anyone use LMMs?
[09:02] <DJ-_-> ok
[09:02] <DJ-_-> thx
[09:02] <ikonia> DJ-_-: you have to write your own init script
[09:02] <Guilty_as_Sin> ktorrent is nice
[09:02] <Guilty_as_Sin> just seemed a lil slow..  bit tornado was ok too but hate that ugly gui
[09:02] <] DR[Blargh> i think protection should be free
[09:03] <napster_> bmartin: u c it?
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: try opera, it may work....
[09:03] <madman91> how do i split files?
[09:03] <student_modnar> ktorrent is pretty nice indeed
[09:03] <unimatrix9> Guilty_as_sin : could utorrent be ported you think?
[09:03] <Pie-rate> what optimizations can be done for a sata drive?
[09:03] <napster_> IndyGunFreak: I like firefox and i just want 2 know wats gone wrong
[09:03] <napster_> i cant even download stuff
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: ok, no prob, was just a suggestion
[09:03] <junmin> hi, somebody know where can i downlaod a ALSA cvs version deb package??? please
[09:03] <napster_> i cant do apt-get install
[09:03] <napster_> thnx
[09:03] <Guilty_as_Sin> that is beyond my expertize (at this point)
[09:04] <DJ-_-> why do I received sendto() not permitted
[09:04] <unimatrix9> ok
[09:04] <bmartin> napster_: no... i don't use IRC often... and the message didn't appear on my screen - i think you might have to register your name on here to PM people... i'm not sure
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> bmartin: thats correct
[09:04] <Guilty_as_Sin> but I try and learn a lil more each day..  so maybe
[09:04] <unimatrix9> DJ-_- you are not registered? or something
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> napster_: have you tried reinstalling?
[09:04] <DJ-_-> unimatrix9: from local pc
[09:04] <bmartin> IndyGunFreak: thanks
[09:05] <DJ-_-> terminal says sendto(): operation not permitted
[09:05] <DJ-_-> i tried disabling iptables, but no success
[09:05] <student_modnar> should having Win 2K SP2 without 48-bit LBA support crash after adding a linux partition beyond its NTFS partition that is 137 GB?
[09:05] <ikonia> DJ-_-: join #freenode for lessons on how to register your nick
[09:05] <DJ-_-> lol
[09:05] <DJ-_-> i have registered my nick
[09:05] <b0lland> Hi #ubuntu, I would like to let a common user do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, but obviously you normally need to be root to do that. Is there any resonable work-around available?
[09:05] <ikonia> DJ-_-: if there is no init script, iptables won't be enabled
[09:06] <DJ-_-> i am talking of ubuntu terminal
[09:06] <ikonia> b0lland: sudo
[09:06] <DJ-_-> ikonia: i am running a script with sudo....but it always stops at sendto(): operation not permitted
[09:06] <b0lland> ikonia: but that makes the user able to execute all kinds of stuff, I'd really like to avoid that
[09:06] <DJ-_-> ikonia: i tried disabling iptables also
[09:06] <Guilty_as_Sin> I'm guessing that must be a heat issue with the laptop whoever it was that suggested that, ever since I set it on the vent in the floor I have successfully made it to the 3rd pass on DBAN
[09:06] <ikonia> b0lland: no it doesn't You setup sudo for that command and that user
[09:07] <b0lland> ikonia: a-HA! thanks I'll look into that
[09:07] <ikonia> DJ-_-: why do you keep saying you want to disable iptables, if there is no init script - iptables is not enabled
[09:07] <panfist> where can i go to find out about codecs, media players, etc. specifically, i followed some random guide online which installed 170megs of codecs, then i saw a package called gstreamer.10-ffmpeg which claimed to decode divx, mpeg, etc which seemed like it would do the job a lot better
[09:07] <DJ-_-> ikonia: ok that is not the point, you know why terminal might say "sendto():operation not permitted" ?
[09:08] <NaPsTeR> IndyGunFreak: Re-installing wat?
[09:08] <ikonia> DJ-_-: that is the point as you keep going on about it
[09:08] <IndyGunFreak> NaPsTeR: reinstalling firefox
[09:08] <ikonia> DJ-_-: it depends what your asking your terminal to do
[09:08] <] DR[Blargh> i guess reformatting a drive is my next step
[09:08] <IndyGunFreak> NaPsTeR: open synaptic, do a search for firefox, right click it, and choose "Mark for reinstallation"
[09:08] <Flannel> !codecs |  panfist
[09:08] <ubotu> panfist: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <] DR[Blargh> so is the movie hackers a good tutorial on how to use l33t speak and hack gibson super computers that pen is the system admin of???????!!!
[09:09] <] DR[Blargh> j/k
[09:09] <Guilty_as_Sin> lmao
[09:09] <PF|Ubuntu> How do I install the flash plugin for Firefox? Is it a package?
[09:09] <Guilty_as_Sin> lookout it's zerocool
[09:09] <Flannel> !flash | PF|Ubuntu
[09:09] <] DR[Blargh> lol
[09:09] <ubotu> PF|Ubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:09] <rambo3> !1337
[09:09] <ubotu> 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[09:09] <panfist> thank you
[09:09] <PF|Ubuntu> ok thanks
[09:10] <] DR[Blargh> hahahahaha
[09:10] <guest__> hallo everobody
[09:10] <Guilty_as_Sin> saw that again on Starz the other night,  I love AJ
[09:10] <unimatrix9> PF|Ubuntu , just use firefox on an flash site
[09:10] <unimatrix9> and it will install
[09:10] <] DR[Blargh> does anyone know lord_nikon personally ?
[09:11] <PriceChild> !offtopic | ] DR[Blargh
[09:11] <ubotu> ] DR[Blargh: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[09:11] <ikonia> ] DR[Blargh: this is a support channel for ubuntu that is very busy, Can you please take the offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-ffoptic
[09:11] <unimatrix9> ohoh
[09:11] <] DR[Blargh> ack
[09:11] <ilovejump> #wine
[09:11] <] DR[Blargh> sorry guys
[09:11] <PF|Ubuntu> I got a md5sum mismatch when I tried to install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:11] <paolob> hi guys! Anyone could tell me whether I can install ubuntu on the "green" pc of http://zonbu.com? thank you!
[09:12] <guest__> hi
[09:12] <guest__> hi
[09:12] <ikonia> palomer: weak advertising
[09:12] <Guilty_as_Sin> what is the green pc?
[09:12] <LadyNikon> how many times you gonna say hi?
[09:12] <guest__> hi
[09:12] <unimatrix9> PF|Ubuntu , just go to an site woth flash, did you try that?
[09:12] <guest__> hi
[09:12] <b0b> hello
[09:12] <LadyNikon> guest__: stop it
[09:12] <emi> hi
[09:12] <palomer> ikonia, eh??
[09:12] <PF|Ubuntu> I tried using alien to convert the rpm to a deb
[09:12] <unimatrix9> yes hi to you too guest
[09:12] <PF|Ubuntu> didnt work
[09:12] <krzysiekbs> siema ziomy :P
[09:12] <unimatrix9> :P
[09:12] <Flannel> paolob: Looks good, yeah.
[09:13] <ikonia> PF|Ubuntu: alien is never a good idea
[09:13] <PF|Ubuntu> Should I try to compile from source
[09:13] <paolob> Flannel, do you mean I can install ubuntu on it?
[09:13] <aelliott> PF|Ubuntu: what package is it? i find it hard to believe there isnt a *.deb
[09:13] <artabrahao> hi, whent I try to install postfix the error appears: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:14] <PF|Ubuntu> aelliott, flashplugin-nonfree
[09:14] <PF|Ubuntu> aelliott, I got a md5sum mismatch when I tried to install it using apt
[09:14] <unimatrix9> PF|Ubuntu , go to the download site of flash plugin for linux and download it, then put it into your plugins folder the .so file
[09:14] <PF|Ubuntu> ok
[09:14] <Flannel> paolob: yeah.  It's just a normal low power computer.  The only thing you might have issues with (since I don't see a CD drive) is ithe installation itself.  You'd have to know if the bIOS supported booting from USB or not (probably does)
[09:14] <unimatrix9> its  a bit of work, but should function
[09:15] <PriceChild> PF|Ubuntu, http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz extract that, and read the README for where to put the .so file
[09:15] <PF|Ubuntu> ok
[09:15] <sdfsdfdsa> can i install drivers when im using live cd just to check if ubuntu support my hardware?
[09:15] <Savage-{> clvm errors when removing or re-installing - http://pastebin.com/m27a22814; This is a dependency needed by automatix2
[09:16] <Flannel> sdfsdfdsa: yeah, liveCD works just like a real install, just it's all in RAM
[09:16] <sdfsdfdsa> ok thx for help
[09:16] <Justi1> what is a good first person shooter that can be played on both linux and windows?
[09:16] <rambo3> !games
[09:16] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[09:16] <jussi01> Justi1: open arena, tremuloous
[09:16] <jussi01> tremulous
[09:17] <jussi01> Justi1: tremulous is a lot of fun...
[09:17] <Guilty_as_Sin> open arena, saurbraten, nexium maybe?
[09:17] <Justi1> okay
[09:17] <Guilty_as_Sin> not sure which can play on windows
[09:17] <Guilty_as_Sin> just a few of my favs
[09:17] <jussi01> hmm, warsow might be windows also...
[09:18] <Guilty_as_Sin> oh and don't forget tremulous
[09:18] <jussi01> enemy territory also
[09:18] <unimatrix9> for some games you need 3D accel
[09:18] <Savage-{> clvm errors when removing or re-installing - http://pastebin.com/m27a22814; This is a dependency needed by automatix2
[09:18] <ikonia> why do we care about what can be played on windows ?
[09:18] <PriceChild> Savage-{, it is an automatix problem?
[09:18] <dr_willis> ikonia,  i dont care about windows much at all.. :)
[09:18] <jussi01> !automatix | Savage-{
[09:18] <ubotu> Savage-{: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:18] <ikonia> Savage-{: we don't support automatrix
[09:18] <unimatrix9> if you like to match?
[09:18] <IndyGunFreak> NaPsTeR: did reinstalling work?
[09:18] <ikonia> dr_willis: good
[09:18] <Guilty_as_Sin> we don't but I do want to know your linux favs while were at it
[09:18] <Savage-{> ok thx
[09:18] <Vsop_vsop_vsop_v> what would stop the glitch with dvd playback.not so much of a glitch then artifacting
[09:19] <ikonia> Guilty_as_Sin: this is a support channel not gaming discussion
[09:19] <dr_willis> Fav Linux game = FreeCol for this week. ;)
[09:20] <Savage-{> wait that clvm package is an ubuntu package though
[09:20] <fishbuntu> anybody know if it's possible to dock Gaim to the side of the screen like you can in AIM?
[09:20] <ikonia> yes but automatix wants it
[09:20] <Savage-{> it is just a dependency
[09:20] <Shoopuf> Justi1: World of Padman !!!
[09:20] <Savage-{> isn't it used for other things?
[09:20] <PriceChild> Savage-{, for automatix, you have added automatix repos etc. Please seek their support.
[09:20] <Guilty_as_Sin> Sorry Ikonia, sometimes I forget
[09:20] <Savage-{> I see sorry
[09:20] <Flannel> Savage-{: Or just don't use automatix, save yourself headaches
[09:20] <Shoopuf> Guilty_as_Sin: can talk to us about it in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:21] <ikonia> Shoopuf: excellent idea
[09:21] <easytiger_home> anyone running ubuntu on an intel mac book? any probs getting it working?
[09:21] <ikonia> easytiger_home: working on it at the moment. Lots of problems
[09:21] <PriceChild> easytiger_home, many have it working fine
[09:21] <ikonia> actually problems are not the right words, hassle is
[09:21] <easytiger_home> mixed response then :)
[09:22] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'd certainly appriciate a discussion with you
[09:22] <easytiger_home> ikonia: what kinda things?
[09:22] <Savage-{> anybody know when that CNR technology will be implemented into ubuntu
[09:22] <ikonia> easytiger_home: the EFI boot loader
[09:22] <ikonia> easytiger_home: the requirment for a specific boot loader
[09:22] <artabrahao> hi, whent I try to install postfix the error appears: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:22] <dr_willis> Savage-{,  heh.  im not a big fan of the CNR stuff.. but heck it if works nicely....
[09:22] <PriceChild> easytiger_home, apart from the webcam
[09:22] <IndyGunFreak> Savage-{: if its anything like Linspires, hopefully never.... synaptic is better
[09:22] <Savage-{> ok
[09:22] <panfist> is there a file that stores the bash command line history i can view or grep?
[09:22] <easytiger_home> ikonia: does grub not work on macs?
[09:23] <dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  Linspire released the CNR stuff to the GPL i think. so it is Linspires. :)
[09:23] <IntuitiveNipple> panfist: type 'history'
[09:23] <bluefox83> is there a place to find themes for beep media player?
[09:23] <ikonia> easytiger_home: not quite, there is a hack for it, but there are other boot loaders
[09:23] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: well, cnr is just to friggin slow, i hate it...
[09:23] <Flannel> easytiger_home, ikonia, the new intel macbooks have BIOS emulation
[09:23] <bluefox83> i know..sounds like an odd request seeing as there are tons of better players..but i feel bad with this one payer looking like crap...
[09:23] <dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  yep. i agree
[09:23] <PriceChild> easytiger_home, use their "bootcamp" software.
[09:23] <Savage-{> yeah apt is fast
[09:24] <PriceChild> easytiger_home, its their software to "install windows", but it works with linux fine afaik
[09:24] <easytiger_home> ahh.
[09:24] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: really when you think aout it, synaptic is ubuntu's versionm of CNR, its got a ton of software youu can install with 1 or 2 click
[09:24] <easytiger_home> PriceChild: i'm not really lookin to dual boot
[09:24] <syntux> guys, I have two service for power management, acpid and apmd, why would I need both of them for power management ?
[09:24] <ikonia> easytiger_home: this is something I'm working at the moment
[09:24] <PriceChild> !eliolo | easytiger_home
[09:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eliolo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:24] <dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  cnr is just callint the apt-get stuff from what ive seen. :) with a purty web interface
[09:24] <ikonia> easytiger_home: most things are centered around dual boot
[09:24] <PriceChild> !info elilo | easytiger_home
[09:24] <ubotu> easytiger_home: elilo: Bootloader for systems using EFI-based firmware. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 120 kB, installed size 412 kB (Only available for i386 ia64)
[09:24] <eugman> Is there a way to get my laptop o no use all of the screen? The screen is too wide and distorts things?
[09:24] <PriceChild> easytiger_home, that boot loader supports EFI... however I haven't heard of anyone doing it... maybe its possible, maybe it isn't :)
[09:25] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: yep, i'd rather See Ubuntu/Canonical, whatever, focus on getting popular programs into the repositories, so that compiling isn't necessary, screw cnr
[09:25] <diambadie> slt q tous
[09:25] <dr_willis> eugman,   odd.,.  on the laptops ive tested Ubuntu handles the widescreen find. what video card? and have you installed the drivers for it?
[09:25] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'm working on that now, it works but appears to be hassle
[09:25] <easytiger_home> eugman:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:25] <PriceChild> ikonia, I'm not surprised :)
[09:25] <ikonia> its a real fighter
[09:25] <Moduliz0r> Hi, how would I make /home/utserver/ucc.init start run at startup? (Im in Ubuntu Server), please dont start sending me Ubot posts :( Im in irssi and its awkward, and no, I didn't get far with Upstart
[09:25] <easytiger_home> agh. might just get a normal laptop ikonia PriceChild
[09:25] <ikonia> I'm working on a mac mini
[09:26] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  easy way - put it in the rc.local script
[09:26] <Moduliz0r> dr_willis:  Will it get run as root?
[09:26] <unimatrix9> ikonia and pricechild are offtopic ? ;)
[09:26] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  you can always use su i think to make it run as other users of course.
[09:27] <Moduliz0r> i know, but if its in rc.local will it be run as root?
[09:27] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: this is interesting.. look at the poll   http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7474779842.html
[09:27] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  use su IN the rc.local script
[09:27] <Moduliz0r> so su /home/loadofcrapfilelocation?
[09:27] <paolob> Flannel, the zonbu website sells an external usb DVD R/W. Is such a device boot-capable?
[09:27] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  'man su'
[09:27] <ikonia> paolob: ask them. it depends ont he bios
[09:28] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: if you add the two NO options, its pretty close to half the community says no thanks.
[09:28] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  it has an option as to what user to run as- I belive.
[09:28] <dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  :)  No way! Linspire is evil and I want nothing to do with them! (9 percent)
[09:28] <IndyGunFreak> ;)
[09:28] <Moduliz0r> dr_willis: But without it, will it run as root in rc.local? thats what I want
[09:28] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  then of course it will run as root. :)
[09:28] <IndyGunFreak> dr_willis: i consider that sidebyside with the first one... to just use apt
[09:28] <Moduliz0r> cool
[09:29] <Moduliz0r> What's the difference between "exec /somecrap" or just putting the program name?
[09:29] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  might be Safer to runit as a user.. but it depends on how paranoid you are i ugess
[09:29] <mister> my problem : i dont know why it downloads the file instead of open to see it ( php ) http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mda/testing.php
[09:29] <LinuX_-_Ubuntu> hey
[09:29] <ikonia> mister your webserver is not setup to handle php
[09:29] <Savage-{> Great flight simulator game - Package: fgfs-base
[09:29] <LinuX_-_Ubuntu> i would like to know from where i can download Linux Ubuntu Beryl
[09:29] <Moduliz0r> dr_willis: The script puts it down to a user
[09:29] <dr_willis> Moduliz0r,  may wan tto check the advanced bash scripting guide, and the Bash docs for that. Its somthign to do with spawning a child process Ibelive
[09:29] <aelliott> hi, please can someone tell me why i can install a program at the command line with apt-get, but i can't find it in synaptic - for example openvpn.
[09:29] <Moduliz0r> k
[09:29] <IndyGunFreak> LinuX_-_Ubuntu: its in the repos..
[09:29] <mister> ikonia, how can i set it please ? or what do i have to install ?
[09:29] <seo1> i need to install ubuntu server to manage apache, tomcat and postresql server do i need to have more than /, /home , swap ?
[09:29] <jussi01> LinuX_-_Ubuntu: join #ubuntu-effects
[09:30] <IndyGunFreak> !beryl | LinuX_-_Ubuntu
[09:30] <ubotu> LinuX_-_Ubuntu: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:30] <Moduliz0r> ok, reboot time
[09:30] <Moduliz0r> Bye
[09:30] <aelliott> my assumption was that a synaptic search would show me all availiable packages in my repos
[09:30] <ikonia> mister there is a guide on the ubuntu wiki
[09:30] <jussi01> aelliott: correct
[09:30] <mister> ikonia,  can you give me the link please..
[09:30] <ikonia> mister https://help.ubuntu.com
[09:30] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:30] <ikonia> mister search that site
[09:30] <Ind[y] > Is there any Game Boy (Advance, or even Color)?
[09:30] <jeff_> i have the "checkgmail" app running in my taskbar, and i want it to be there every time i boot.
[09:30] <Ind[y] > emulator
[09:30] <jeff_> will it?
[09:30] <ikonia> jeff_: if its in your desktop profile
[09:31] <Shoopuf> Ind[y] : plenty of emulators for Ubuntu, try www.getdeb.net
[09:31] <IndyGunFreak> Ind[y] : emultion is of questionable legality, so its likely off limits for discussion, but there's a few out there
[09:31] <IndyGunFreak> *emulation
[09:31] <jussi01> !info zsnes
[09:31] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[09:31] <eugman> Dr_willis, I think the issue is that the only resolutions offerred at the moment are 3:4 ones and easytiger_home's suggestion is a good one.
[09:32] <Shoopuf> jussi01: the repository is 1.42, getdeb.net has 1.51 in a .deb package
[09:32] <IndyGunFreak> jeff_: i never had much luck with the checkgmail app, but mail notification wll do that.
[09:32] <Ind[y] > IndyGunFreak: oh, ok.
[09:32] <Ind[y] > Shoopuf: ok. thanks.
[09:32] <marshall> are the ubuntu repos down or something?
[09:32] <ikonia> marshall: no they are fine
[09:32] <seo1> i need to install ubuntu server to manage apache, tomcat and postresql server do i need to have more than /, /home , swap ?
[09:32] <ikonia> marshall: which ones are you using
[09:32] <IndyGunFreak> marshall: i just updated, they seem fine
[09:32] <kyja> help !!!!!!!
[09:32] <marshall> hmm
[09:33] <ikonia> seo1: you can do that ont he desktop edition
[09:33] <PriceChild> seo1, you don't even need seperate ones. You could just have / and swap
[09:33] <marshall> feisty backports
[09:33] <kyja> I am getting a message at login that says $home file cant be written to
[09:33] <ikonia> marshall: but which hosts
[09:33] <jeff_> whats mail notification is that an app?
[09:33] <marshall> how do i see which host?
[09:33] <jeff_> i like checkgmail, i just need to know how to make sure it runs every time i boot
[09:33] <ikonia> kyja: home is mounted read only or your permissions are wrong
[09:33] <bruenig> kyja, don't use sudo for graphical applications
[09:33] <IndyGunFreak> jeff_: yes, sudo apt-get install mail-notification
[09:33] <PriceChild> !startup | jeff_
[09:33] <ikonia> marshall: look in your sources for list
[09:33] <ubotu> jeff_: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[09:33] <amorphous_> why can i not set crontab to start up a music player to wake me up??? it will copy files etc & the command works on the comand line, but no player will start up when asked by cron??? >/
[09:33] <marshall> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <seo1> PriceChild> but i will install ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop and share /home
[09:34] <PriceChild> seo1, ah ok :)
[09:34] <kyja> k
[09:34] <bruenig> amorphous_, it doesn't inherit environmental variables what command are you running?
[09:34] <ikonia> amorphous_: because cron doesn't have a shell so won't have a desktop display session
[09:34] <seo1> PriceChild> because i think ubuntu desktop is not a good idea to a server?
[09:34] <ikonia> seo1: its fine
[09:34] <bruenig> no you can get it to work you just need to use DISPLAY=:0 or some such
[09:34] <Justi1> how do I change settings in tremulous?
[09:34] <seo1> ikonia> no to have LTS to 2011
[09:35] <ikonia> amorphous_: you need to specify a shell and options as a startup script
[09:35] <ikonia> seo1: the desktop is LTS too
[09:35] <seo1> ikonia> stopping in 2009
[09:35] <ikonia> seo1: then its up to you
[09:35] <aelliott> am i right in thinking that a cron job is the best way of running a scheduled backup?
[09:35] <ikonia> aelliott: thats an excellent way
[09:35] <aelliott> ikonia: cool, thanks
[09:35] <bruenig> backups schmackups
[09:35] <ikonia> aelliott: although there are backup manager tools too
[09:35] <seo1> ikonia> do you prefer to have a server with desktop edition?
[09:36] <ikonia> seo1: depends what I'm doing
[09:36] <bruenig> guesses*
[09:36] <seo1> ikonia> a last question , i have 80 gb
[09:36] <whatwherewhen> anyone have any luck installing asterisk 1.4 on ubuntu?
[09:37] <seo1> ikonia > what will be the most larger for my server / or /home
[09:37] <ikonia> seo1: depends how you want to lay it out
[09:37] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: astrix is in the repo - works fine
[09:37] <seo1> ikonia> i will install a database server with 20 gb
[09:37] <ikonia> seo1: depends how you want to lay it out
[09:37] <amorphous_> bruenig, ikonia - i've made a script to say play mplayer too... but no joy :/.. do want help but was trying other stuff for a minute (sorry)
[09:37] <seo1> ikonia > Can i install my data in the /home?
[09:37] <whatwherewhen> is ubuntu a good distro to start with?
[09:37] <ikonia> seo1: depends how you want to lay it out
[09:37] <whatwherewhen> or should i try redhat?
[09:37] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: a fine choice
[09:38] <bruenig> amorphous_, what is the exact command you have specified for cron?
[09:38] <bXi> how does one fix sound in wine?
[09:38] <kyja> hmm that might have fixed. I will try tthat
[09:38] <fishbuntu> it has the power to be a good distro to keep using forever, too
[09:38] <whatwherewhen> is this irc channel 24/7?
[09:38] <bruenig> bXi, try in winecfg, if not registry
[09:38] <Shoopuf> bXi: Try #winehq channel
[09:38] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: yes
[09:38] <bruenig> whatwherewhen, closes down at 20:00
[09:38] <whatwherewhen> k thx
[09:38] <fishbuntu> lol
[09:38] <fishbuntu> bedtimer
[09:38] <fishbuntu> -r
[09:39] <aelliott> seo1: i would personally either just have a single root partition scheme or use LVM - creating pre-sized partitions for your mount points can be really annoying further down the line
[09:39] <bXi> bruenig: the winecfg gives problems
[09:39] <amorphous_> bruenig, kaffeine /home/amorphous/Max\ Romeo\ -\ Pray\ for\ Me\ The\ Best\ of\ Max\ Romeo\ \(1967-1973\)/
[09:39] <bruenig> bXi, just make sure it is using alsa
[09:39] <Savage-{> hey guys I found out what is causing this issues with clvm; it is related to redhat-cluster-suite that I installed before automatix2 that I noticed caused some errors installing.
[09:39] <bXi> bruenig: i cant open that tab
[09:39] <seo1> aelliott> i am a learner, what is LVM?
[09:39] <bruenig> amorphous_, ok replace it with: DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/kaffeine /home/amorphous/Max\ Romeo\ -\ Pray\ for\ Me\ The\ Best\ of\ Max\ Romeo\ \(1967-1973\)/
[09:40] <whatwherewhen> anyone have any experience with voicebuntu?
[09:40] <ikonia> amorphous_: also change the track to something good ;)
[09:40] <amorphous_> bruenig, sorry  * 20 * * * * /home/amorphous/alarm ... the command was in alarm
[09:40] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: only official ubuntu releases here
[09:40] <aelliott> seo1: its logical volume manager.  It allows you to divide a disk up into partitions virtually so that the partitions can be resized on demand
[09:40] <amorphous_> ikonia, Hmmm.. ;)
[09:40] <bruenig> amorphous_, just make sure you use full paths and always give it a DISPLAY=:0
[09:41] <aelliott> seo1: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/benefitsoflvmsmall.html
[09:41] <bruenig> amorphous_, even use full paths in that alarm script
[09:41] <lukealpha> can ubuntu run on 800 mhz cpu ?
[09:41] <ikonia> lukealpha: yes
[09:41] <aelliott> seo1:  LVM is difficult to implement, but if you really want to seperate your mount points it is the best way
[09:41] <amorphous_> bruenig, ok - trying...
[09:42] <Savage-{> having problems with package: redhat-cluster-suite; It installs a dependency called clvm that has issues and causes errors when installing other packages
[09:42] <aelliott> seo1:  i would personally just have a default ubuntu install with a single / and the file system as simple directories though
[09:42] <bruenig> separate /home is nice
[09:42] <aelliott> aye, especially if you reformat a lot :)
[09:42] <Enselic> bruenig: what is the pro?
[09:42] <Enselic> or what are the pros, rather
[09:43] <aelliott> security wise it is a bonus to have seperate partitions because you can write lock them as appropriate, but estimating the sizes can be really hard
[09:43] <bruenig> Enselic, if your system breaks, your files are still there mainly
[09:43] <carrot_> IndyGunFreak: sorry. i had 2 change my nick. it was napster_. still having trouble with this thing
[09:43] <carrot_> do u have any ideas?
[09:43] <bruenig> Enselic, if you need to reinstall later because of breakage, all your settings and files are still in place, so you don't have to go through reconfiguring everything
[09:43] <Enselic> bruenig: isn't that true anyway? unless it's a harddisk crash, and /home is on another harddisk
[09:44] <Enselic> bruenig: hmm, ya
[09:44] <bruenig> Enselic, there are some exploits which it will circumvent such as the dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda1
[09:44] <bruenig> hda2 is spared
[09:44] <aelliott> bruenig, imagine if your ubuntu got screwed up, you could reinstall a fresh copy and link it to your home directory on the other disk.
[09:44] <seo1> aelliott> can i shared one lvm/home to another distribution
[09:44] <Moduliz0r> It doesnt work with su
[09:45] <Guilty_as_Sin> separate drive or separate partion?
[09:45] <Moduliz0r> I used su -c "/home/utserver/ucc.init start" utserver
[09:45] <Moduliz0r> and the program doesnt work
[09:45] <Guilty_as_Sin> I'm jumping in "in the middle"
[09:45] <bruenig> Moduliz0r, by the way exec will make the script or shell exit if the command fails, whereas just running it won't
[09:45] <Moduliz0r> ok ill try that as well
[09:45] <aelliott> seo1: not very easily, the LVM system has to all be mounted together
[09:45] <Moduliz0r> so exec su blahblah?
[09:45] <bruenig> Moduliz0r, I don't know what you wanted with that, I am just saying generally, what are you trying to do?
[09:46] <aelliott> seo1: its certainly not good for sharing partitions between distros
[09:46] <Moduliz0r> I need to have a program run at startup
[09:46] <XiXaQ> how do I set an environement variable for all users permanently?
[09:46] <Moduliz0r> and it needs to run as the user "utserver"
[09:46] <aelliott> seo1: in fact most distros wont be able to read the LVM drives at all unless they have the driver module loaded
[09:46] <Moduliz0r> Really it needs to be started from /home/utserver
[09:46] <bruenig> Moduliz0r, ask the people in #bash
[09:46] <Guilty_as_Sin> in effect, it already is..  but I was wondering earlier about using the same /home for sabayon and kubuntu on my desktop..  never really tried that b4, will it work?
[09:46] <Moduliz0r> ok
[09:47] <Scunizi> LiVes looks like a promising video editor.  But what does a person use to make a DVD from a video file?
[09:47] <Guilty_as_Sin> even if I can't it's already mounted
[09:47] <Guilty_as_Sin> but that would be great
[09:47] <Mikeh> I keep hearing about "please let me in" as a way to get into the root account... what does that mean?
[09:48] <bruenig> Mikeh, someone messing with you it sounds
[09:48] <Moduliz0r> Wait it appears to have worked now
[09:48] <seo1> aelliott> LVM is good if we want to add more disk space after?
[09:48] <aelliott> Mikeh: trust me, its not that easy :)
[09:48] <kitche> Mikeh: umm someone trying to social engineer their way into the system
[09:48] <javier> alo ?
[09:48] <Moduliz0r> Heh
[09:48] <Guilty_as_Sin> and they are even polite about it
[09:48] <kitche> which is very easy to do really if you have a user that doesn't know enough to look for
[09:48] <eugman> Aw crap, anyone know how to go back a few steps in a xserver reconfig?
[09:48] <Guilty_as_Sin> they said "please"
[09:48] <aelliott> seo1: yes, thats what its there for - its ideal if you know you will be buying more hard disks in the future
[09:48] <juano__> !bugs
[09:48] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:48] <javier> alguien habla espaol ?
[09:49] <Scunizi> eugman, check for the backup files
[09:49] <seo1> aelliott> ok good
[09:49] <aelliott> seo1:  for example i have a 250gb disk now.  If I bought two more 250gb disks and added them to LVM, it would see one single 750gb disk - I could partition it into chunks as I wanted
[09:49] <aelliott> seo1: the only downside is that it is more complicated than a standard filesystem, theres a bit of a learning curve
[09:49] <eugman> Scunizi, no I mean I'm still in the process of making a new one and made a mistake I want to quit the process or go back to a pevious question
[09:50] <whazilla> hey
[09:50] <Guilty_as_Sin> so that is what LVM is
[09:50] <Guilty_as_Sin> ok, thanks
[09:50] <whazilla> how doi i fit fiesty on a MS pro duo 4Gb ?
[09:50] <aelliott> seo1: redhat and Fedora Core come with LVM set up as standard, ubuntu can be installed with it using the "alternative install disk"
[09:50] <Scunizi> eugman, oh.. you're in the automated setup it sounds like.  You might be able to hit "q" or Ctrl-c
[09:50] <kitche> LVM is only good for raid pretty much
[09:50] <seo1> aelliott> and is it different from ext3
[09:50] <syntux> how can I disable some of my ttys ?
[09:50] <amorphous_> bruenig, still not auite sure I get this - i had DISPLAY=:0 in the crontab command and the
[09:50] <Guilty_as_Sin> and the alternate kubuntu as well (that is where I first seen it)
[09:51] <whazilla> RE: how doi i fit fiesty on a MS pro duo 4Gb ?
[09:51] <stefg> !lvm
[09:51] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:51] <Mikeh> Well, it's not a social engineering attempt, because it wasn't my system. But I was intrigued as to what he meant. We were working with Linux thin clients, and we couldn't get into the root account to recompile rdesktop. I left for awhile and when I got back he had done it and told me that there was a backdoor, "please let me in" perhaps something weird in the kernel? like when you type "windows" and it says "you don't exist"
[09:51] <Mikeh> on some older versions of the kernel
[09:51] <aelliott> seo1: no ext3 is formatted on top of the LVM logical drives
[09:51] <Vai_Ro> has any one set up a logitech g15 keyboard before?
[09:51] <whazilla> RE: how doi i fit fiesty on a MS pro duo 4Gb ?
[09:51] <eugman> Scunizi, Doesn't seem to do anything. Is it safe to just restart the computer?
[09:52] <aelliott> seol: image LVM as a big pool where all your hard disks space is poured together and then partitioned.  Once its partitioned you can choose different formats for each partition just like on a normal disk
[09:52] <amorphous_> bruenig, still not auite sure I get this - i had DISPLAY=:0 in the crontab command and then the alarm command - and now the kaffeine command in the crontab - but still no joy! works ok at the command line though... is there more to it?
[09:52] <Scunizi> eugman, before doing that go to a terminal and "cd /etc/X11".  You'll see "xorg.conf". type "sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak" and see if it creates another file.  Type ls to get a directory listing.
[09:53] <tux_> sera
[09:54] <eugman> Scunizi, yeah it made a backup
[09:54] <Scunizi> What do people use to create a DVD useable on a DVD player?
[09:54] <Scunizi> eugman, good.. now you can reboot.
[09:55] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: DVD write + DVD software
[09:55] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, is DVD write in the repo's? also DVD software? is that the title?
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> did the room freeze
[09:56] <Scunizi> it's warm here.
[09:56] <kitche> IndyGunFreak: nope
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:56] <amorphous_> Aha! bruenig, ikonia have found it - it's export DISPLAY=:0 && COMMAND
[09:56] <juano__> xtknight: hi
[09:57] <IndyGunFreak> i just get curious when nothing happens for more than 10-15sec
[09:57] <amorphous_> --- :) ---
[09:57] <vox754> IndyGunFreak, I had 10 sec of lag!
[09:57] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:57] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: to make it useable on a DVD player , u need to know what's  the format  that dvd player does play , and then convert your movie into that format , then write it to a DVD-rom
[09:57] <WeepingDemon> :-
[09:58] <amorphous_> Thank you both ikonia bruenig
[09:58] <ikonia> welcome
[09:58] <kyja> I have chmod my home to 744 and the .dmrc file to 644 like it is supose to be but it still says its getting ignored at login
[09:58] <ikonia> glad you got it
[09:58] <amorphous_> ikonia, me too ;)
[09:58] <amorphous_> ikonia, now to find some good tunes :)
[09:58] <juano__> ikonia: hi
[09:58] <kitche> kyja: well chmoding your home can be bad but what is .dmrc used for
[09:58] <ikonia> hello
[09:59] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, other than Pal, ntsc etc aren't most dvd files stored as vob files.  I'm just looking for software to create a universal movie (ntsc) DVD from .. say a mpeg4 video file.
[09:59] <carrot_> wat does the "apt-get -f install" thing do?
[09:59] <kyja> the .dmrc file is used at login to recall your desktop and language setings from previous sessions
[09:59] <liquiddoom> !apache
[09:59] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:00] <m1r> .
[10:00] <phalkone> I have a problem installing: I want to use a second hard disk as swap space (install just stops)
[10:00] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: what are u using linux , widows ?
[10:00] <kyja> oooh I think I found the trouble
[10:00] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, I've got Dapper, Feisty (gnome & kde) and windows xp.. prefer linux
[10:00] <kitche> kyja: well you have to chown your home to the right user but sicne you chmodded your home you most likely messed it up
[10:00] <kyja> I had my 3 logins having the same group name
[10:01] <ikonia> kyja: thats not a problem
[10:01] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, LiVes will allow me to create a video file of different clips and pic then write it out to a mpg4 file.
[10:01] <vox754> phalkone, how much swap do you need? One GB is enough.
[10:01] <GodSyn_> help : wanting to create a startup script for a mythTV frontend to run AFTER x starts, and BEFORE mythtv-frontend starts. Using fiesty. where would i find the call to start mythTV and add my needed lines before it?
[10:02] <whatwherewhen>         can one install asterisk on the desktop ditro og ubuntu/
[10:02] <whatwherewhen> ?
[10:02] <ikonia> GodSyn_: how can you have a startup script for mythtv that you want toe xecute before it start
[10:02] <phalkone> it's a very old computer: the disk I want to use as swap is only 1.1 GB
[10:02] <ikonia> GodSyn_: a mythtc startup script STARTS myth
[10:02] <kitche> kyja: well you really messed up your /home directory since it should not be 744
[10:02] <GodSyn_> sorry, poor wording on my part. mythtc? thanks!
[10:02] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: I've told you
[10:02] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: I used to use a software called "Xilisoft video converter" on windows , but let me see what' available for linux
[10:02] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: its in the repo and works fine
[10:03] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, thanks.
[10:03] <Flannel> kitche: actually, home being 744 isn't unusual.  Mine's 755
[10:03] <phalkone> I set it to logical and swap and the other disk to primair and start up mounted on /
[10:03] <GodSyn_> find -name mythtc is being slow... any clue where it is? (sorry for being a pain)
[10:04] <kitche> Flannel: so you have it setup so any user in the users group can run executables from home
[10:04] <ikonia> GodSyn_: just wait for it to find it
[10:04] <vox754> phalkone, how many partitions do you have in each disk and what are their izes?
[10:04] <ikonia> normally /usr/bin
[10:04] <kitche> Flannel: or whatever group owns home
[10:04] <Flannel> kitche: That's the default perms for home folders in dapper
[10:04] <IceLink> hey there, what was the command to search packages?
[10:05] <vox754> IceLink, use "aptitude search <package>" or "apt-cache search <package>"
[10:05] <phalkone> My first disk is 8.6 GB which I want to use as the main drive with one Ext3 partition; the second drive is 1.1 GB which I want to use as swap; I set this manually but the install process just stops
[10:05] <IceLink> vox754: thanks a lot
[10:05] <kitche> Flannel: true I can execute stuff also but no one else can read my home :)
[10:05] <Flannel> kitche: and world readable is expected, since thigns like public_html need to be world readable, you a-r for anything you don't want readable
[10:05] <SinisterWays> I fell in love with ubuntu
[10:05] <SinisterWays> lol
[10:06] <WeepingDemon> is gentoo better than Ubuntu?
[10:06] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: well , i can't find one for linux , maybe someone else could help , or u can use one under windows or u can use wine if u don't like windows !
[10:06] <Flannel> IceLink: apt-cache search [stuff]
[10:06] <vox754> WeepingDemon, that is an offtopic question, which starts flame wars.
[10:06] <IceLink> uff, the list is so long, does anybody know a good terminal-dictionary?
[10:06] <WeepingDemon> sorry fellow,
[10:06] <GodSyn_> ikonia: no files returned.
[10:07] <Flannel> GodSyn_: what are you looking for?
[10:07] <whatwherewhen> if i want to load the clent version of ubuntu is says errror reading bootcd what now?
[10:07] <Guilty_as_Sin> it takes a lot longer to install
[10:07] <ikonia> GodSyn_: then its not on there
[10:07] <ikonia> whatwherewhen: what ?
[10:07] <kitche> Flannel: true myself I just give users a directory in /var/www :)
[10:07] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, thanks for looking.  I may have to go to winxp to do this. I was hoping to avoid that. Wine is problematic and cumbersome. With all the linux rippers out there you'd think someone would actually like to create a DVD! :)
[10:07] <arooni> does ubuntu now or will it ever support the intel turbo memory?
[10:07] <eugman> What's the driver for intel and how can i tell for sure if I have an intel video card?
[10:08] <whatwherewhen> i daownload the iso image but loads to the installation file but does not wanna go further that saying error loading bootcd
[10:08] <Guilty_as_Sin> WeepingDemon have you tried either yet?
[10:08] <K`zan> Anyone using the mobiledev OO filter to write out .pdb file and have it work?  Keeps telling me "Write Error" ?  Any thoughts appreciated!
[10:08] <GodSyn_> flannel : find / -name mythtc (i was told it is the script that X uses to start mythtv-frontend, I need to add "tvo_set" commands to correct my video display.
[10:08] <whatwherewhen> i used 4 cd'd still o luck!
[10:08] <juano__> eugman: dmesg | grep intel
[10:08] <WeepingDemon> Guilty, yes i'm on Ubuntu now, its great
[10:08] <C-{pR0F> u can use a trial of Xilisoft video converter , it allow u to convert 5 videos kitche
[10:09] <juano__> !intel | eugman
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <Guilty_as_Sin> if you want to give gentoo a try I suggest trying the Sabayon flavor
[10:09] <whatwherewhen> do you thing something wrong with cd or downloaded iso image
[10:09] <Guilty_as_Sin> just my advice
[10:09] <xtknight> juano__, hello
[10:09] <K`zan> Also tried kpalmdoc and that blows out :-(.
[10:09] <juano__> xtknight: hi
[10:09] <K`zan> Do i have to use wincrap to do that?
[10:09] <Sirrush> Hello, I just installed some programs and they are not showing up on KDE I am on Ubuntu Fiesty
[10:10] <Guilty_as_Sin> but neither is better, I'm giving it a go just to see if my hardware is better supported since I didn't do my homework b4 making a big buy
[10:10] <juano__> xtknight: have one question, i got this in response to my bug report yesterday
[10:10] <kitche> Sirrush: what is these programs
[10:10] <juano__> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8544159/fceu_0.98.12-1ubuntu3.diff
[10:10] <dr_willis> Sirrush,  and what programs may that be? you mean they are 'not showing an icon in the menus' ?
[10:10] <juano__> xtknight: and this
[10:10] <xtknight> juano__, can you post the bug # please
[10:10] <Job314> Hey I'm looking for a way to reinstall ubuntuvia ssh.. Is that possible.. Got a server and when i kinda fuckup, i would like to run a script or sometinhg, so I got a clean ubuntu server with ssh again
[10:10] <Flannel> !install | Job314
[10:10] <ubotu> Job314: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:10] <juano__> xtknight: sure sec
[10:11] <K`zan> Well, sigh, lemme try rebooting before I give up completely.
[10:11] <Scunizi> C-{pR0F, looks like there is a program called DVD Author I just found.. http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=dvdauthor
[10:11] <Flannel> GodSyn_: wouldn't that be tv not tc?  Is it an executable?  then use `which`
[10:11] <juano__> xtknight: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/127499  ------> 127499
[10:11] <Sirrush> kitche,  They are from the repo's various programs
[10:11] <juano__> xtknight: im not sure what the response means
[10:11] <kitche> Sirrush: well that doesn't help sicne some programs are cli
[10:11] <Sirrush> hang on I'll give you an example
[10:11] <C-{pR0F> Scunizi: well done
[10:11] <xtknight> juano__, okay.  i will subscribe "ubuntu-universe-sponsors" and have someone look at it.
[10:11] <Sirrush> bx-gtk
[10:11] <xtknight> juano__, he has fixed the bug and is waiting for the patch to be approved