[00:42] <nineteenfingers> hey folks, thought i'd ask this again before i head off... is there a quick (and preferably easy) way to search for duplicate files within a folder on a mounted NTFS partition?
[00:52] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, yup
[00:52] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, You could generate an md5sum for all the files and look for duplicates
[00:56] <nineteenfingers> forgive my ignorance here - i've never done anything with md5sums before - but i've got 15.3 GB of files (18545 items) i need to compare - is doing that (creating the sums and looking for duplicates) an automatic procedure or something i'd have to do file by file?
[00:57] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, Are all the files in a single directory?
[00:58] <HazimG> is there an alternative to gsynaptics-mcs-plugin in xubuntu 9.04?
[00:58] <cody-somerville> HazimG, what are you trying to do?
[00:59] <HazimG> mostly just disable tapping, scrolling, that sort of thing
[00:59] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville many subdirectories of a single directory... all of the files are in sub-directories in a single directory i've called "BackupStuff" on an XP user's desktop (mounted to /mnt)
[00:59] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/551777/ <-- seems like a great script here
[00:59] <HazimG> weird
[01:00] <HazimG> mostly just disable tapping and scrolling
[01:00] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, It'll need some modification to be recursive though. I could help you with that.
[01:00] <HazimG> I know I could do it via a synclient script, but I was wondering if there was a gui tool available / in the works
[01:00] <cody-somerville> HazimG, hmm...
[01:01] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, Do you know?
[01:02] <JPohlmann> Hm, no. There's no replacement for gsynaptics-mcs-plugin. But maybe there are other GTK+ tools for synaptics touch pads.
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> sounds like a fun project - a couple of issues though... 1> my coding skills barely get past "hello world" and even that's not in Python. 2> i'm working on a live disk so not entirely sure how useful i'd be in the process of modifying it and 3> i was hoping for something pretty quick - this is all for a repair job i'm doing on someone's XP system - i can't say i fancy sinking much time into coding a script (or getting someone els
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> e to do so) - i'm just trying to reduce the size of the backup i need to make (currently looking at about 6 hours to transfer everything to another machine - anything that wasn't very quick would be a false economy)
[01:03] <HazimG> well there's gsynaptics, but it doesn't load the settings at the start of the session like gsynaptics-mcs-plugin did
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - that said... i probably would like a project like that if i had the time - it just seems kinda overkill for a single task i have to do today or tomorrow :p
[01:04] <nineteenfingers> oh and i know 3 isn't a couple - haha
[01:04] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, Making it recursive would probably only take me a few seconds
[01:05] <HazimG> the plugin itself is only 2kb, and most of it is just #includes, so I believe it would be trivial to convert it from using mcs to xconf, but I'm not certain
[01:06] <nineteenfingers> right - well there's still another issue to consider - might be a biggie - i'm using a live disk and the system is pretty gutless (only 256MB RAM) - even if I had a way to compile the code I don't think it'd be up t the job and would need doing again if the system crashed for any reason (it has a few times so far when i try to ask too much of it)
[01:07] <nineteenfingers> sorry  don't think the hardware would be up to the job of compiling it... and would need to recompile every time if it crashed - my wording wasn't too clear first time
[01:07] <nineteenfingers> maybe i'm wrong about the hardware though - i'm not exactly experienced with such matters
[01:07] <cody-somerville> python is interpreted and not compiled
[01:08] <cody-somerville> However, I do suspect the script will take a long time to complete based on the information you've provided - lots of data to look at.
[01:09] <nineteenfingers> yea - just read the "Discussion" on the bottom of that page - it sounds like a great script - very useful when you need it - but likely to give this machine a pretty severe headache
[01:10] <nineteenfingers> think i might just back up the whole 15.3 gig and move onto something a touch more productive like actually earning money (sometimes it sucks being the one in the family who can struggle away and fix a computer)
[01:12] <nineteenfingers> hmm... if i'm on a machine with just 1 optical drive, running linux from a live cd, is it possible to burn a dvd under linux on that machine or can i not remove the linux live disk?
[01:12] <nineteenfingers> probably gonna be quickest to just drop these files onto a few DVD-RWs
[01:12] <cody-somerville> You can not remove the disk
[01:13] <nineteenfingers> thought that might be the case
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Although there are linux distributions can do that
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Like recovery ones
[01:13] <cody-somerville> But I dunno if burning would work
[01:13] <HazimG> I use slax for that sort of thing
[01:14] <HazimG> there's a toram option that loads the OS to ram so you can remove the disc
[01:14] <HazimG> though I think knoppix and dsl have similar options
[01:14] <nineteenfingers> hmm - might be worth a look - though for time (downloading an iso, burning it, booting to it, mounting the drive and finally burning the disks - it might actually work out quicker and easier to just do the 6 hour network transfer i'm trying to avoid
[01:15] <cody-somerville> Might just be easier to buy a new hard drive :P
[01:15] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - think i've got a DSL disk around here that might be good for that
[01:15] <HazimG> the only thing is I don't know if dsl has python
[01:16] <HazimG> you just need to mount a partition and burn it to a disc or do a network transfer is it?
[01:16] <nineteenfingers> haha! yea - it would be FAR easier to get a new drive - i don't think the owner has the money for one though - and after this i'll have no use for another drive until mine dies on me
[01:17] <HazimG> is it an ntfs partition or an ext2/3 partition?
[01:17] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - need to get a 15.3GB folder off a hard drive in one machine so i can do a system recovery on it after one of its users riddled it with malware and rendered it unusable - ntfs partition
[01:17] <HazimG> ah
[01:17] <HazimG> yeah
[01:18] <HazimG> you can build a slax image with ntfs-3g and that sort of thing
[01:18] <HazimG> it has a web interface for adding your own packages to the image
[01:18] <HazimG> do you need to transfer it to another windows machine?
[01:20] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - I can either put it onto a shared folder i've got on another windows machine or put it onto DVDRWs - either way i don't mind as long as it needs minimal input from me and doesn't take eons to do... oh - and it all needs to come back the other way once i've straightened out the affected windowns machine too
[01:21] <HazimG> well tbh, transferring it to another windows machine over SMB is going to be a pain on any live linux distro
[01:22] <HazimG> perhaps we should take this to #xubuntu-offtopic since this isn't about xubuntu itself
[01:23] <nineteenfingers> as it stands i'm now set up to make the transfer directly from machine to machine using xubuntu on the affected machine - probably gonna just get it going now and head to bed while it does its thing
[01:24] <nineteenfingers> could do with some sleep anyway - multitasking when out like a light can only be a good thing :)
[01:24] <HazimG> mmm
[01:24] <HazimG> cody-somerville : xubuntu doesn't come with an ftp client, does it?
[01:25] <cody-somerville> correct
[01:26] <HazimG> because it would be way less of a pain to just set up a passworded ftp server on the target machine, mount the ntfs partition on the affected machine, and transfer everything over ftp (if it was over a LAN)
[01:26] <nineteenfingers> it is over a LAN (affected machine ethernet to router... target machine wireless to router)
[01:27] <HazimG> mmm
[01:27] <HazimG> you'd need a livecd with an ftp client though
[01:28] <nineteenfingers> could install a small ftp client (if there is such a thing) on affected machine though - i do have internet access through xubuntu on there now
[01:28] <cody-somerville> You can install an ftp client once you boot the live filesystem
[01:28] <nineteenfingers> no idea how to go about setting up ftp server on target though
[01:29] <HazimG> there's plenty of "free" ftp servers for windows
[01:29] <cody-somerville> I think SMB is probably the right answer.
[01:29] <zoredache> why not start an ssh server on your livecd, and pull with winscp/filezilla?
[01:30] <HazimG> mmm
[01:30] <HazimG> does thunar-vfs support smb?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> No
[01:31] <HazimG> if thunar-vfs is what I'm thinking it is
[01:31] <HazimG> you could always install pyneighborhood then
[01:31] <HazimG> simple tool that lets you mount smb shares
[01:32] <nineteenfingers> are any of these alternative approaches/suggestions likely to be any quicker than using pyneighbourhood to mount a share from the target machine and drag+dropping the directory from the affected NTFS partition to the target share?
[01:32] <HazimG> nope
[01:32] <HazimG> pyneighborhood would be quickest
[01:32] <cody-somerville> nah
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Use sambafs :P
[01:33] <fdemocracy> hi guys. will be installing xubuntu on the netbook
[01:33] <nineteenfingers> in that case i'm gonna go with that - i'd love to have a play with some of these alternatives but now i'm at the point of "if it works..."
[01:33] <fdemocracy> im cheap.im poor and i hate paying for hardware and that is why i got a netbook
[01:34] <cody-somerville> fdemocracy, :)
[01:34] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - hahaha! if i had a clue how to use that command i might go that way - the ease pyneighborhood brings is right up my inexperienced alley
[01:35] <cody-somerville> If you can get pyneighborhood to work for ya, w00t w00t
[01:40] <minazo> xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386 comes with Perl 5.10 already installed doesn't it?
[01:40] <cody-somerville> Correct
[01:44] <minazo> Yeah, that was pretty cool and shocking. I was just trying out http://wubi-installer.org/ on my windows machine today and noticed that perl -v was 5.10. I am using a low spec machine now running CentOS, but that's just too cool not to try and replace my CentOS with it. It's fast as heck too. Thanks.
[01:44] <cody-somerville> Why shocking?
[01:48] <minazo> Why was it shocking? I didn't realize that the distro had 5.10 installed by default. Most of what I've installed lately, came with 5.8.8 and it's a headache having 2 seperate "perls" on a machine... then trying to use CPAN along with it..etc..etc...plus, it was faster that I thought...I haven't been a linux user for long...maybe a only a year...
[01:51]  * cody-somerville nods.
[01:51] <nineteenfingers> well - the transfer is underway (used pyneighborhood to a windows share, mounted the NTFS partition and drag-drop copied the huge folder across) might be quicker than i expected though - the copy dialog is dithering between 3 and 4 hours remaining as opposed to the 6 i thought it'd be from my earlier abandoned attempt
[01:51] <nineteenfingers> lost a word there - "used pyneighborhood to MOUNT a windows share"
[01:53] <nineteenfingers> and on that note - i'm off to get some sleep - goodnight all and thanks for your help and suggestions earlier - talk soon
[01:54] <HazimG> good luck with the transfer
[01:54] <nineteenfingers> cheers
[02:01] <BigMoopies> Is it possible to actually share clipboards between virtualbox and the original OS?  I have it set to "directional" but it doesn't work.
[02:02] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: You need guest additions installed
[02:02] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, how do I install that ?
[02:03] <charlie-tca> where did you get VirtualBox, website or repository?
[02:03] <BigMoopies> website , latest version
[02:03] <BigMoopies> or atleast 2.1.4
[02:04] <BigMoopies> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian hardy non-free
[02:04] <BigMoopies> in the apt/sources
[02:04] <NTFS> STOP LEAVING YOUR COMPUTERS ON 24/7 YOU ARE CREATING OVER 1000kg OF C02 EMISSIONS A YEAR.
[02:04] <BigMoopies> (is how I got it)
[02:04] <BigMoopies> wow
[02:04] <charlie-tca> I think they should be in /usr/share/virtualbox/
[02:05] <charlie-tca> it is called VBoxGuestAdditions.iso
[02:05] <BigMoopies> what do I do?
[02:05] <NTFS> !ops NTFS
[02:05] <BigMoopies> I see it
[02:05] <NTFS> !ops
[02:05] <cody-somerville> hmmm
[02:05] <charlie-tca> What is it?
[02:05] <NTFS> STOP LEAVING YOUR COMPUTERS ON 24/7 YOU ARE CREATING OVER 1000kg OF C02 EMISSIONS A YEAR.
[02:05] <BigMoopies> "nls  rdesktop-vrdp-keymaps  rdesktop-vrdp.tar.gz  src  VBoxGuestAdditions.iso  VBoxSysInfo.sh"
[02:06] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: NTFS got kicked from #ubuntu+1 a minute ago
[02:06] <cody-somerville> and now he is banned from Freenode :)
[02:07] <BigMoopies> What do I do with the ISO ?
[02:08] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: you add it as a cd in the virtual machine, then go to /media/cdrom and look for the additions.linux file to run
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Run it in a terminal window
[02:08] <charlie-tca> in the VirtualBox machine
[02:08] <BigMoopies> OK, so I need  to mount the ISO as the CD-ROM drive so Windows XP picks it up ?
[02:09] <charlie-tca> Your virtualbox is in windows? then yes
[02:09] <charlie-tca> and run the exe file
[02:11] <mrwes> Ubuntu user here, using Xubuntu for the first time; I noticed the desktop icons for Network and Computer run Nautilus, but Places | Home run thunar -- why is that?
[02:11] <charlie-tca> because Xfce does not use Nautilus
[02:12] <charlie-tca> Nautilus and Thunar are both file managers.
[02:12] <mrwes> yes I understand that
[02:12] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, So I can now unmount the ISO and put it back to normal CD-ROM drive now that the stuff is installed ?
[02:12] <charlie-tca> yes, BigMoopies
[02:12] <mrwes> I'm running Xfce now, and Nautilus runs when I open my cifs shares and/or Network icon
[02:12] <BigMoopies> BTW: what is "passthrough" ?
[02:13] <charlie-tca> Because thunar doesn't have them and doesn't know what to do with it.
[02:13] <mrwes> ahh
[02:13] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: I use it to access cd's on the hardware drive.
[02:13] <mrwes> so it's 'normal' aye?
[02:13] <mrwes> heh
[02:13] <BigMoopies> so should I allow it or keep it unchecked ?
[02:14] <charlie-tca> It maeans it sees the cd without questioning the os the VBox runs in seeing the cd
[02:14] <charlie-tca> Boy, did I screw that up
[02:14] <BigMoopies> LOL.
[02:14] <charlie-tca> It lets the VBox see the cd without the Xubuntu seeing it also
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Without passthrough, when I put a cd in, both my desktop and VBox see it. With it, only VBox sees it when it is running.
[02:17] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, now that I installed the guest stuff, Windows' highest res is 800x600 , anyway to fix that ?
[02:17] <BigMoopies> any way
[02:18] <charlie-tca> run the guest additions again
[02:18] <charlie-tca> I never ran windows in a VBox. But you should be able to raise resolution to match the normal desktop with it.
[02:19] <charlie-tca> It is the only way I ever got 1400x900 in VBox
[02:21] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: have you looked at the manual yet? /usr/share/doc/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf
[02:25] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, for some reason I'm not able to slide it more than 800x600
[02:25] <BigMoopies> with the new 'driver'
[02:28] <charlie-tca> hmmm, "you may also open the Windows Device Manager and select "Update driver..."for
[02:28] <charlie-tca> The VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
[02:28] <charlie-tca> Wonder if that needs to be run for windows?
[02:28] <BigMoopies> "                                   you can resize the virtual machine’s window,
[02:28] <BigMoopies> and the video resolution in the guest will be automatically adjusted (as if you
[02:28] <BigMoopies> had manually entered an arbitrary resolution in the guest’s display settings).
[02:28] <BigMoopies> For Linux and Solaris guests, the Xorg server version 1.3 or later is required for
[02:28] <BigMoopies> "
[02:28] <BigMoopies> gah
[02:28] <BigMoopies> too many lines
[02:29] <charlie-tca> So by adjusting the window size, it adjusts the resolution
[02:29] <charlie-tca> Makes it fit the size of the window
[02:30] <BigMoopies> yeah but it don't
[02:31] <charlie-tca> Also, right-ctrl + L seems to adjust the size to full screen and back to a window
[02:31] <BigMoopies> I just have it stuck at 800x600 in the middle of the screen
[02:32] <charlie-tca> does the clipboard work?
[02:32] <BigMoopies> yes
[02:32] <charlie-tca> well....
[02:33] <charlie-tca> Looks to me like windows just doesn't really listen
[02:33] <charlie-tca> Let me look at the VBox forums
[02:34] <BigMoopies> what in the world did seemless mode just do
[02:34] <charlie-tca> seemless says run windows in a window, and use the linux desktop at the same time
[02:35] <charlie-tca> and pass things back and forth, I think
[02:35] <BigMoopies> now it's 1024x710 res.
[02:35] <BigMoopies> with seemless
[02:36] <charlie-tca> Stretch the window and see what it does
[02:37] <charlie-tca> also, can ask in #vbox for help beyond me
[02:39] <BigMoopies> it might be working now that I went in to seemless then to full screen
[02:39] <BigMoopies> seemless , unseemless, full screen
[02:39] <BigMoopies> rather
[02:39] <BigMoopies> I'm shutting it down and trying it again to see
[02:41] <BigMoopies> yeah now it resizes how it's supposed to to fit my real OS
[02:41] <BigMoopies> kuhraaaaaazy.
[02:41] <charlie-tca> so it is working?
[02:41] <BigMoopies> Yes, magically
[02:41] <charlie-tca> not so magic. You did it!
[02:42] <BigMoopies> Yay!
[02:42] <BigMoopies> now I just wonder if I need to install some anti-virus to slow the virtualbox down to a crawl
[02:42] <BigMoopies> just like real windows
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't have windows. If it gets infected, you can delete the vbox drive to get rid of it. It is a file.
[02:43] <BigMoopies> yeah, but I don't wanna redo all my mIRC scripts
[02:43] <charlie-tca> but if you send emails from it, you can infect others
[02:43] <charlie-tca> Think viruses, then
[02:44] <charlie-tca> It is windows, after all
[02:45] <charlie-tca> Anything that hits windows, hits windows in a virtual machine, too
[02:45] <BigMoopies> yeah, that's why I stopped using windows in the first place.  I got tired of installing all that stuff  then it taking 3-5 mins to load up on restart
[02:47] <BigMoopies> I wonder with the new virtualbox driver, would it be possible to run games just like real windows ?
[02:47] <BigMoopies> giving virtualbox more video RAM that is
[02:48] <charlie-tca> possible, I think. Might run slow, though
[02:48] <charlie-tca> I do 4 installs at a time here, but it ties up my dsl real bad
[02:48] <BigMoopies> that's what I thought.
[02:49] <charlie-tca> Of course, I usually have one more hardware install running, and two systems I am using, too
[02:49] <charlie-tca> kind of frustrating when daughter says her browser is slowww
[02:49] <BigMoopies> I only have 425 MBs per any given 24 hours in daytime hours
[02:49] <BigMoopies> then 1-6 AM is unlimited usage for my ISP
[02:50] <charlie-tca> I pay a bunch, to have a full-time 7mbs connection
[02:50] <BigMoopies> Wildblue doesn't have anything like that, that I am aware of.. And they are capped by month
[02:50] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got no caps, but it is not cheap, either
[02:51] <BigMoopies> I pay $80 for Hughesnet
[02:51] <BigMoopies> pro plus plan
[02:51] <charlie-tca> $130 for quest
[02:51] <BigMoopies> DSL is 2 miles up the road
[02:51] <BigMoopies> along with cable
[02:51] <BigMoopies> in the city limits
[02:51] <charlie-tca> CableOne wanted about 1/2 of that, but they cap you if you download too much.
[02:52] <charlie-tca> Bad deal when I test the ISO images daily
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe mine is cheap for what I get?
[02:53] <BigMoopies> we have Suddenlink and AT&T DSL
[02:53] <charlie-tca> I hear AT&T is not very good
[02:53] <BigMoopies> ATT hasn't extended the DSL coverage south for us
[02:53] <BigMoopies> It'd beat 15 KB/sec in daytime hours I bet.
[02:54] <BigMoopies> and paying $80
[02:54] <BigMoopies> and a cap..
[02:54] <charlie-tca> It might. cap would probably stay, but it is higher, I think. speed should increase, though
[02:55] <BigMoopies> Maybe Obama will fix it (yeah right)
[02:55] <charlie-tca> hold your breath?
[02:55] <charlie-tca> LOL
[02:56] <charlie-tca> Can't convince AT&T to bring DSL down, huh?
[02:57] <BigMoopies> no, or Suddenlink.  Even though we got Sat Internet and Sat TV all out here.
[02:57] <BigMoopies> Suddenlink would be an obviously great competitor
[02:57] <BigMoopies> idiots
[02:57] <charlie-tca> Well, my brother could not get natural gas, even though it was at his neighbors, 25 feet away.
[02:57] <charlie-tca> He was not within the company policy
[02:58] <BigMoopies> LOL,.  We had to pay 1,200something to get BiCounty (like city water) ran to our house from about 200 feet.
[02:58] <BigMoopies> Then we had to pay for a plumber to get it from the road to the house
[02:58] <BigMoopies> (their meter )
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, they got ya, coming and going
[02:59] <BigMoopies> so if the neighbors down the road get it, we just saved them a bundle
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Well, I gotta go. long day today.
[02:59] <BigMoopies> from having to tap on to it from where it was to their house
[03:00] <charlie-tca> That's true. Maybe get with them to get AT&T?
[03:26] <kromar> do divx streams work with xubuntu?
[03:49] <loren_> can someone help me to delete a file that keeps telling me permission denied it's a backup file I think from sbackup I tried sudo rm but I'm not good at command line commands in terminal how can I get rid of this file even though there is nothing in it and do I have to put sbackup back into my computer to get rid of the file?
[03:49] <cody-somerville> loren_, Whats the path to the file?
[03:51] <loren_> home/loren/Computer Backup Files/2009-02-27_<IP_ADDRESS>0650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:53] <loren_> do you need the drive letter?
[03:54] <HazimG> sudo rm /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_<IP_ADDRESS>0650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:54] <HazimG> should work
[03:54] <loren_> I will try it
[03:54] <homebrewcider> anybody had any luck printing on a cd in xubuntu?
[03:56] <loren_> I get this loren@loren-desktop:~$ sudo rm /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_<IP_ADDRESS>0650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:56] <loren_> [sudo] password for loren:
[03:56] <loren_> rm: cannot remove `/home/loren/Computer Backup Files/2009-02-27_<IP_ADDRESS>0650.loren-desktop.ful': Is a directory
[03:56] <loren_> loren@loren-desktop:~$
[03:57] <HazimG> ah
[03:57] <cody-somerville> loren_, ah
[03:57] <cody-somerville> You're attempting to delete a directory instead of a file.
[03:57] <HazimG> it's just like it says, it's a directory
[03:57] <cody-somerville> sudo rm -rf /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_<IP_ADDRESS>0650.loren-desktop.ful <-- should do the trick
[03:58] <loren_> o-k I will try it
[03:58] <cody-somerville> Be careful!
[04:00] <loren_> It worked thank you very much I have tried for weeks to get rid of it thank you again
[04:01] <loren_> I'm new to chat also:)
[04:01] <loren_> thank you
[04:44] <martinx73> hi
[04:44] <martinx73> please i need help to install a web cam
[04:45] <martinx73> lsusb
[04:45] <martinx73> ID 093a:2472 Pixart Imaging, Inc.
[04:47] <zoredache> !webcam
[04:47] <zoredache> have you read those pages yet?
[04:48] <martinx73> thanks, now reading
[04:52] <J_Litewski> how do i reset the gdm?
[04:52] <J_Litewski> since i removed it to fix my problem
[04:57] <zoredache> J_Litewski: did you get it all fixed?
[04:58] <J_Litewski> yea
[04:58] <J_Litewski> it's running like new now
[04:59] <J_Litewski> it was a tiny bug in xfce 4.6.0 that sometimes caused sessions not to delete
[04:59] <zoredache> anyway, in a terminal first do this command 'cd /etc/rc2.d' then do this 'sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm'
[05:01] <J_Litewski> ok
[05:06] <J_Litewski> thank you for all of your help zoredache
[05:08] <J_Litewski> brb
[05:16] <J_Litewski> that didn't work
[05:17] <zoredache> did you get an error when you ran the command?
[05:20] <J_Litewski> i wonder if my video card doesn't support dual display output
[05:20] <J_Litewski> zoredache, no it ran fine, still didn't get a login screen though
[05:23] <zoredache> try it this way then...  sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults 30 01
[05:27] <fdemocracy> so xubuntu didnt install over the usb stick
[05:27] <fdemocracy> im disappointed
[05:27] <J_Litewski1> that was weird
[05:27] <fdemocracy> "cant detect cdrom"
[05:28] <J_Litewski1> who else is having problems with updating sources?
[05:29] <fdemocracy> just you ;)
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> huh
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> that's really weird
[05:29]  * J_Litewski1 smacks Charter Communications
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> work!
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> :P
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> that did it
[05:30] <fdemocracy> well at least you got it running
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> lol
[05:30] <fdemocracy> and i mean ubuntu
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> i had it running for a while, it's just the curve balls that get you
[05:31] <J_Litewski1> like the whole 'lets spawn 200 xfdesktop4's and overwork xorg to the point of near Hard Drive failure'
[05:44] <J_Litewski1> what is wobbly windows?
[05:52] <zoredache> it makes thinks act like jello when you move them around...
[05:53] <J_Litewski1> but it don't work with xfwm4, do it?
[05:53] <zoredache> not sure, I have never cared enough to try it
[05:53] <zoredache> !compiz
[05:54] <zoredache> I prefer to have my computer actually be using cpu cycles on actually doing useful things....
[05:54] <J_Litewski1> yea
[05:55] <J_Litewski1> just an ADD moment thing
[05:55] <J_Litewski1> well, i'm off
[06:58] <sketchykid> hello?
[07:00] <sketchykid> quick question...ummm i'm kinda new to this linux thing, and my old thinkpad has a dvd-rom but for some reason i can't seem to play any of my dvd....anyone know why that is??
[07:23] <sketchykid> okay i thought i had it there, if anyone here can help me i'm all ears...or eyes i guess lol
[07:25] <sketchykid> S.O.S My dvd-rom won't play my dvd's S.O.S!!
[07:25] <sketchykid> do i need a different program maybe???...right now all i have is Totem
[07:48] <cody-somerville> !dvd | sketchykid
[07:52] <Ecnerifed> Hi all, I need to set up a few workstations with nothing but firefox and the abilty to lock with a login screen that authenticates with an ms active directory server, what would be the best way to go about this?
[08:02] <xsteadfastx> where can i change the timezone?
[08:02] <xsteadfastx> im in germany right now and i goes one hour forward
[08:03] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Date & Time
[08:04] <xsteadfastx> there i set my time to europe/berlin
[08:04] <xsteadfastx> but its still one hour forward
[08:05] <cody-somerville> To make it automatically update your time, you need to enable the ntp server sync
[08:05] <xsteadfastx> it is ntp
[08:05] <xsteadfastx> and the ntp server is right
[08:05] <cody-somerville> Then just wait for it to update :)
[08:06] <xsteadfastx> it shows CEST for germany. it should be GMT+1
[10:25] <roman> hello everyone. is there a way to keep the menu structure in xfce 4.6? i've understood that i have to change the .desktop, .menu and .directory files by hand (e.g. to open up a new category), but when these packages are updated, the .desktop files of them revert back to normal, making it quite impossible to retain a certain menu state. how can i prohibit this?
[10:45] <roman> sorry to flood, but is there a way to keep the menu structure in xfce 4.6? i've understood that i have to change the .desktop, .menu and .directory files by hand (e.g. to open up a new category), but when these packages are updated, the .desktop files of them revert back to normal, making it quite impossible to retain a certain menu state. how can i prohibit this?
[10:46] <TheSheep> modify the local copies in your ~/.config
[10:52] <roman> well... now that's an easy solution :) you mean that i should place the altered copies inside .local/share/applications ? because i can't find a suitable folder inside /.config
[10:53] <TheSheep> yeah, for .desktop files
[10:53] <TheSheep> you can also alter the rules that govern categories in .config/menu
[10:56] <wtv> desktop icons disappeared and wallpaper turned black suddenly in xfce 4. any ideas?
[10:57] <wtv> i tried restarting but again i get iconless black desktop. i see all the panels though
[10:58] <cody-somerville> wtv, press alt + f2, and type xfdesktop4
[10:58] <roman> @ TheSheep: I don't understand your last solution... my guess would be to create .local/share/desktop-directories and copy the categories there
[10:58] <roman> i don't understand because i have no ./config/menu :)
[10:59] <wtv> cody-somerville: it says the file doesn't exist
[11:00] <cody-somerville> oops
[11:00] <cody-somerville> just xfdesktop
[11:00] <wtv> cody-somerville: it worked! but will it work everytime on start up?
[11:01] <cody-somerville> wtv, if you save your session on logout, yup
[11:02] <wtv> cody-somerville: can i make it so that it starts autmatically when starting a session?
[11:03] <wtv> without having saved it before. i know how to do it in gnome but I'm new to xfce
[11:04] <cody-somerville> I don't know if you want that. It might start the desktop again, not sure.
[11:04] <wtv> cody-somerville: k. but thanks ^ ^
[11:38] <l403> hello
[11:39] <l403> I after failing  to make a bootable USB I just blindly followed this tutorial http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/#more-408
[11:40] <l403> everything seemed to be fine but all i ended up with is ash :/
[11:41] <l403> ah, nm, sry
[11:41] <l403> minimal 384 Meg, I dont have :/
[13:51] <Pres-Gas> Hey all!
[13:51] <cody-somerville> Heya
[13:52] <Pres-Gas> I am really disapointed that I have not been able to test for this beta.
[13:52] <cody-somerville> : (
[13:52]  * Pres-Gas submits self to cody-somerville for appropriate reparations  :P
[13:53] <Pres-Gas> I have a class I am teaching...but after it is over...I will be able to dive in more...after next week w00t!
[13:53] <cody-somerville> :]
[15:19] <|nineteenfingers> hey folks - i'm struggling a bit here... i tried to use catfish for this but that's just ended in a bug report so i'm trying to do it with "find" via terminal... i need to search the NTFS partition i have mounted at /mnt for all files with a given extension... some folder names contain spaces (Documents and Settings for example) but i can't seem to get the comman right - anyone able to help or suggest an alternative to catfish w
[15:19] <|nineteenfingers> hich will do the job in a gui?
[15:21] <|nineteenfingers> sorry. that should read "can't get the command right"
[15:21] <TheSheep> |nineteenfingers: find /mnt -name '*.ext'
[15:22] <|nineteenfingers> TheSheep, need the ' around *.ext?
[15:22] <TheSheep> yes
[15:22] <TheSheep> especially if you have any .ext files in the current dir
[15:22] <|nineteenfingers> and that'll search all the subdirs will it?
[15:23] <TheSheep> yes
[15:23] <|nineteenfingers> great - just what i needed - i couldn't wrap my head around it at all - i think i just don't learn well from man pages
[15:24] <TheSheep> find is horribly complicated
[15:24] <TheSheep> but it can do almost anything
[15:24] <|nineteenfingers> while i think on... when a command is running that's taking a long time (as searching an entire hard drive will) - is there a quick way to cancel it?
[15:25] <ablomen> ctrl+c
[15:25] <|nineteenfingers> yea - the man is pretty large
[15:25] <|nineteenfingers> cheers ablomen
[15:27] <|nineteenfingers> TheSheep - you've got me thinking now - "can do almost anything" - how about getting it to list every directory that contains a particular extension rather than listing all files with the extension?
[15:27] <|nineteenfingers> or is that asking a bit much?
[15:29] <TheSheep> |nineteenfingers: it's doable, but I can't tell you the command without some research in the documentation -- and I'm too lazy :)
[15:30] <|nineteenfingers> haha - i don't blame you there :p
[15:30] <TheSheep> you can add | grep 'word'  to only list lines that contain the specified word
[15:30] <|nineteenfingers> i mean - "how could you! you *buntu types are supposed to be really helpful!" - haha
[15:30] <TheSheep> or grep -v 'word' to skip lines that contain it
[15:48] <ablomen> find ./Temp -name "*.jpg" | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){ print s/[a-z|A-Z|-|_]*\.jpg//$_; print $_ }" | sort | uniq
[15:48] <ablomen> sort of anyway ;)
[15:53] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with some stuff, i put 9.04 on my dell mini and it runs great however i need some help with some tweaks
[15:53] <ricochet> i am new at linux so please take it slow
[15:55] <ricochet> ok so first how do i disable touchpad tapping and scrolling?
[15:57] <ricochet> anyone?
[15:58] <ricochet> touchpad scrolling and tapping.. how do i get rid of it?
[16:17] <zombor> can anyone help me out? i just ran a system update and now my system won't boot, it sits there and says "GRUB " but never shows the boot menu
[16:24] <TheSheep> zombor: boot from livecd, and select the recovery mode
[16:24] <TheSheep> zombor: can't remember the exact name of the option
[16:25] <zombor> TheSheep: thanks, someone also suggested this
[16:25] <zombor> http://microdotsagamedev.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/repair-your-grub-loader/
[16:26] <TheSheep> yeah, that's what the menu-based recovery mode does
[16:26] <TheSheep> just automated
[16:26] <zombor> ah, ok
[16:26] <zombor> ill try that first then
[16:40] <nineteenfingers> flippin connection is all over the place
[16:42] <nineteenfingers> aaargh!
[16:44] <nineteenfingers> ablomen... in that find command you sent earler you had "while (<STDIN>)" - is it to be written like that or am I meant to put something else in place of <STDIN>?
[16:44] <TheSheep> it's like that
[16:44] <TheSheep> or you can use <>
[16:45] <TheSheep> that's perl's syntax for file handles
[16:45] <nineteenfingers> so just type it as written?
[16:46] <TheSheep> there are some mistakes in it
[16:46] <TheSheep> like, you need to double the \'s
[16:52] <nineteenfingers> just the backslash needs doubling or all the slashes too?
[16:53] <TheSheep> just backslash
[16:55] <nineteenfingers> well, the hard drive is crunching away, so it's doing SOMETHING - nothing coming up in terminal as yet though - we'll see what happens
[16:58] <TheSheep> perl is a little overkill for it
[16:58] <TheSheep> but should work
[17:00] <nineteenfingers> hmm - it's done something... it seems it's listed each directory that contains a .jpg and with each entry all the jpgs in that directory but missed the .jpg off the end - i need it to just give each directory path once and nothing more
[17:00] <nineteenfingers> it's a start though
[17:01] <nineteenfingers> all this because my aunt thinks there *might* be some pictures of her late father on the drive - as much as I agree that important stuff should be backed up - i don't have the heart to carry on with fixing this thing before i've made sure there aren't
[17:07] <ablomen> nineteenfingers, find ./Temp -name "*.jpg" | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){ print s/[a-z|A-Z|0-9|\-|_|\.]*\.jpg//$_; print $_ }" | sort | uniq
[17:07] <ablomen> that should do it
[17:07] <jurism> what's wrong if I can not reboot system?  reboot works only by pressing reset button on PC case. shutdown command works fine but reboot stops processes (as usual, I have Ubuntu server 8.04LTS + xfce) and after stopping processes monitor shows xubuntu logo and loading abr stops and freezes computer. I can not find anything in /var/log/syslog or dmesg...
[17:07] <ablomen> and now i have to go :0
[17:07] <ablomen> *:)
[17:07] <ablomen> bye
[17:08] <Ruadh> Hi
[17:08] <nineteenfingers> thanks ablomen :)
[17:09] <Ruadh> Hi Slonkie. How's things?
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> to ablomen or anyone lese (you might know TheSheep) - that command starts with "find ./Temp" - am I right in thinking I should be replacing that with /mnt if i'm searching the NTFS partition i've mounted to there?
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> else*
[17:10] <TheSheep> yes
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> and it should definitely be   *\\.jpg and not *\.jpg   yea?
[17:11] <TheSheep> yes
[17:11] <TheSheep> and \\-
[17:11] <nineteenfingers> ah - didn't spot that one - cheers
[17:12] <nineteenfingers> and \\. by the looks of it
[17:13] <charlie-tca> jurism: sounds like power manager is involved. Anything in ~/.xsessions-error log?
[17:14] <nineteenfingers> TheSheep - your simple find command earlier had '.EXT' - ablomen's has ".EXT" - are the two interchangable or does it matter which I use?
[17:14] <jurism> SOrry, I am now on WIndowsXP, I have turned off CPU power manager on startup...
[17:14] <jurism> I will check ~/.xsessions-error log as soon as I can
[17:16] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: you should use single quotes in that case
[17:16] <nineteenfingers> i'm tempted to ask when i would use double quotes, but to be honest i feel somewhat out of my depth already - the answer might drown me completely! haha
[17:23] <BigMoopies> What day is Jaunty set for ?
[17:24] <TheSheep> !schedule | BigMoopies
[17:25] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: the difference between double quotes and single quotes is simply that in single quotes * is treated as * literally, and is not expanded to a list of files that match the pattern in the current directory
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Well, actually, April 23
[17:25] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: nots sure if that's helpful
[17:25] <BigMoopies> well those websites tell me nothing
[17:25] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, OK
[17:26] <charlie-tca> !release
[17:26]  * charlie-tca can't remember it
[17:26] <TheSheep> !jaunty
[17:27] <BigMoopies> I'm guessing it wont be worth going Hardy -> Intrepid -> Jaunty
[17:27] <BigMoopies> But rather just waiting on the next LTS
[17:28] <BigMoopies> Less there is some kind of big bad super speed up or something new worth using ?
[17:29] <cody-somerville> Jaunty has Xfce 4.6
[17:29] <cody-somerville> It is *so* worth upgrading to Jaunty
[17:29] <BigMoopies> Intrepid was shot
[17:29] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: does it have menu editor? ;)
[17:30] <cody-somerville> Umm
[17:30]  * cody-somerville waves his hand, "These are not the droids you are looking for."
[17:30] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, What's the big bad booty daddy difference in 4.whatever and 4.6 ?
[17:31] <BigMoopies> 4.4.2
[17:31] <BigMoopies> I think
[17:31] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[17:31] <TheSheep> BigMoopies: rubberband selections on the desktop
[17:31] <BigMoopies> rubber who ?
[17:32] <BigMoopies> The sound mixer looks like a proper sound mixer too
[17:32] <TheSheep> it's unusable without a scrollwheel, actually
[17:33] <BigMoopies> I guess I'll have to try out Jaunty.
[17:33] <BigMoopies> I can always just load it up LIVE
[17:33] <BigMoopies> to see if it blows my hardware apart like Intrepid
[17:34] <jurism> charlie-tca: yes, I found one error in /home/myusername/.xsession-errors: gnome-system-monitor fatal IO error 11 resource temporary unavailable I had warning about SElinux was found but not enabled
[17:35] <BigMoopies> I still don't see Thunar being able to view the 'network' (samba, etc)
[17:35] <cody-somerville> Thats coming in 4.8
[17:36] <cody-somerville> But there is a tool now in Xubuntu to do it
[17:38] <charlie-tca> jurism: that should not be it
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Should still be able to restart
[17:40] <jurism> I don't think it is xfce/x-server problem because I manually start it when I want with sudo gdm...
[17:40] <jurism> reboot works if I enter safe mode...
[17:43] <J_P> hi all
[17:44] <J_P> People, why 8.10 don't have package mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br ?
[17:45] <TheSheep> it doesn't have mozilla-firefox-locale-pt either
[17:47] <charlie-tca> jurism: are you restarting just the desktop? does a full system restart work?
[17:48] <TheSheep> J_P: it doesn't have any firefox locale packages
[17:50] <J_P> TheSheep: the old ubuntu has
[17:50] <J_P> old versions
[18:03] <jurism> I restart full system with command reboot but system hangs up with this command and do not restart. if I enter in safe mode (choosen from GRUB menu), "reboot" command works fine. when I start PC in safe mode between apache2 start and running local boot scripts I have: setting advenced power managment level to0xfe (254)
[18:33] <brandonban6> hi, anyone use an online backup service with linux?
[18:34] <chewit> you could try DropBox
[18:34] <zoredache> jungledisk claims to have a linux client
[18:34] <zoredache> I haven't tried it yet
[18:36] <brandonban6> thanks guys I'll look those up
[19:01] <jurism> Is there any place where can I get .deb package with newer linux kernel than it is available in synaptic (apt-get)? Thank You! Can I install kernel which is for Ubuntu 8.10 not Ubuntu 8.04LTS?
[19:03] <TheSheep> you can compile your own
[19:24] <Aqua21> i need help
[19:24] <Aqua21> please
[19:24] <zoredache> !ask
[19:25] <Aqua21> How can I hear my music by phones in Xubuntu?
[19:25] <Aqua21> they don't work
[19:25] <zoredache> do speakers work if you plug them in?
[19:25] <Aqua21> only pc spakers work
[19:26] <Slonkie> tried looking in the mixer if it's muted?
[19:26] <Aqua21> nothing that I plug there works
[19:26] <Aqua21> How do I do that Slonkie?
[19:26] <Slonkie> what version are you using?
[19:27] <Aqua21> 9.04
[19:28] <Slonkie> in your tray isen't there an mixer icon?
[19:29] <Slonkie> Maybe i added mine manually. You can do that by right click > Add New Item > Mixer
[19:31] <Aqua21> they are all ok I think
[19:31] <Aqua21> but I still don't hear any sound... Sound goes through notbeook speakers
[19:32] <Slonkie> okay
[19:32] <Slonkie> Sorry i don't know then
[19:32] <Aqua21> :(
[19:32] <SiDi> What's up ?
[19:32] <SiDi> Laptop + headset sound problem ?
[19:32] <Aqua21> yes
[19:33] <Aqua21> sound comes through the notebook speakers, instead my headset
[19:33] <SiDi> What's the model ?
[19:34] <Aqua21> i have a VAIO VGN-FZ11S
[19:34] <Aqua21> don't know the sound card model
[19:34] <SiDi> also, type the following commands and pastebin them :
[19:34] <SiDi> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec
[19:34] <SiDi> lspci | grep -i audio
[19:34] <Aqua21> but in Windows, it's ok
[19:34] <SiDi> It's an ALSA driver configuration problem
[19:34] <Aqua21> ok..
[19:35] <SiDi> its configured generically, there are some adjustments we can do
[19:35] <SiDi> and on most laptops it works
[19:36] <Aqua21> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9872AK
[19:36] <Aqua21> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[19:36] <Aqua21> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[19:36] <SiDi> Okey, as expected :)
[19:37] <SiDi> just a second
[19:37] <Aqua21> :D
[19:37] <SiDi> check for the file : /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[19:37] <SiDi> if you have it we're going to edit it, either we're going to setup a few more things before
[19:38] <Slonkie> is it the codec "Conexant ID 2x06" which is the problem, SiDi ?
[19:38] <Aqua21> i have it
[19:39] <SiDi> Slonkie: no, it's just that hda intels need some adjustment
[19:39] <Aqua21> how do I edit it?
[19:39] <Aqua21> what do I do now?
[19:39] <SiDi> gksu mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[19:39] <SiDi> and you'll add at its end
[19:39] <SiDi> options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
[19:39] <SiDi> Then, reload the kernel module (i don't know how, so i usually just reboot my whole PC instead... *proud*)
[19:40] <SiDi> It should hopefully make the volume higher and fix that problem with the headset
[19:40] <SiDi> if it doesn't, we'll try another thing, and if this other thing doesn't work, blame alsa (AND sony !)
[19:40] <Slonkie> Can you see if the mine is correct? http://pastebin.com/m5db84de5
[19:40] <Slonkie> I am having somehow the same problem
[19:41] <SiDi> Slonkie: "any" is correct ;p the commands are just to check that they have the same ALC version than those on ubuntu-fr.org's doc's list of alsa models
[19:42] <SiDi> Slonkie: what laptop do you have ?
[19:42] <Slonkie> Acer Aspire 4530
[19:42] <SiDi> ouch
[19:42] <SiDi> an acer.. :D
[19:42] <Slonkie> pff it works great :P
[19:42] <Aqua21> cya
[19:43] <Aqua21> :D
[19:43] <SiDi> It's not in the almighty list
[19:43] <SiDi> so we're gonna experiment if you don't mind
[19:44] <Slonkie> nah don't if it's too much work.. my digital output for phones works.. just not the analog one
[19:44] <Slonkie> I'm fine with the digital, just wanted to see if it was an easy job to fix
[19:44] <SiDi> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/audio_intel_hda google translate this into english
[19:44] <SiDi> well, we need to find the good model
[19:45] <SiDi> the one that fits your sound chipset
[19:45] <wtv> is compiz available for xfce?
[19:45] <TheSheep> yes
[19:45] <wtv> which package?
[19:45] <TheSheep> you have to install it and configure yourself though
[19:45] <SiDi> compiz
[19:45] <SiDi> :D
[19:45] <SiDi> you may want to install compizconfig-settings-manager too
[19:46] <SiDi> and then configure the window manager to xfwm instead of metacity
[19:46] <TheSheep> SiDi: you can do it?
[19:46] <SiDi> Yeh
[19:46] <SiDi> it's lost in the options
[19:46] <SiDi> you can give compiz the path to the window manager to use
[19:47] <TheSheep> I thought that compiz is a window manager itself, only takes decorator from metacity...
[19:47] <SiDi> (i never *tried* with xfwm, though)
[19:47] <SiDi> hmm
[19:47] <SiDi> you might be right
[19:47] <SiDi> may, even :P
[19:48] <wtv> SiDi: how do i do that? configuring it to xfwm
[19:49] <wtv> in the window decorations?
[19:49] <SiDi> Yeh
[19:49] <SiDi> if it doesnt work, i don't know what to do then :)
[19:50] <wtv> this command is there already   /usr/bin/compiz-decorator
[19:50] <SiDi> try to replace it with /usr/bin/xfwm4, and restart compiz
[19:50] <SiDi> (save any document before
[19:50] <SiDi> and close any critical app)
[19:51] <SiDi> (because you might (may (will)) have to reboot your whole session incase (it will !! meh) it fails)
[19:51] <SiDi> I feel optimistic today.
[19:51] <Aqua21> baaack!
[19:51] <SiDi> Welcome back
[19:51] <Aqua21> THAAANK you SiDi
[19:51] <SiDi> How is the headset going on ?
[19:51] <Aqua21> it worked!
[19:51] <SiDi> :)
[19:51] <Aqua21> you're a genius
[19:51] <SiDi> Well, i'm not, sorry :p
[19:52] <SiDi> the french locoteam's doc writers are, though ;D
[19:52] <Aqua21> lool
[19:52] <Aqua21> yeah, but u were very helpful
[19:52] <SiDi> well, that's what i'm here for ^.^ hopefully i dont always fail
[19:53] <Aqua21> well have to go now! Thank u a lot
[19:53] <Aqua21> bye there
[19:53] <SiDi> see you
[19:53] <SiDi> damn, i've got an email to send to one of my teachers
[19:54] <SiDi> and i just noticed, i dont know who is the teacher
[20:17] <klemmer19> hello all - wondering if anyone might know anything about the VIA VT8237 SATA Controller - and its lack of support with 8.10
[20:24] <MTec007> hello. i am trying to ifgure out how to use vim and an editor and i have read the man pages  but i cannot figure out the basics like saving etc, can some one help me?
[20:25] <MTec007> s/and/as
[20:27] <MTec007> i would really appricate the help, guys
[20:28] <TheSheep> MTec007: try the 'vimtutor' command
[20:28] <MTec007> okay
[20:28] <SiDi> klemmer19: i don't :P
[20:29] <SiDi> MTec007: vim has a few different modes, you can switch modes with the key 'insert' (and with esc too, i believe)
[20:29] <SiDi> saving is ":w" , quitting ":q"
[20:29] <SiDi> and you can only write in "insertion" mode
[20:29] <TheSheep> it's all in the tutorial
[20:29] <klemmer19> SiDi: I have tried reading about it quite a bit and it seems VIA has a walkthrough for how to make it work in 7.04... not sure if I could use this with 8.10 though
[20:29] <MTec007> SiDi: how do i run those save and quit commands?
[20:30] <SiDi> klemmer19: me neither. i only buy nvidia :D
[20:30] <klemmer19> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=143
[20:30] <SiDi> MTec007: check the tutorial, they'll explain better than me ;P
[20:30] <MTec007> and vimtutor is blank, nothing to read
[20:30] <SiDi> man vim ?
[20:30] <MTec007> didnt explain the saveing and quit etc stuff?
[20:30] <TheSheep> that's very strange, it works for me
[20:30] <MTec007> im very new to linux i should mention that
[20:30] <SiDi> Ok, vim's man doesnt say anything about commands
[20:31] <SiDi> well, vim is really a weird editor, MTec007 :) and i wont mention emacs
[20:31] <TheSheep> MTec007: try:  LANG=C && vimtutor
[20:31] <SiDi> if you need a basic and easy to use command line editor, i recommand nano
[20:31] <MTec007> how to i exit vimtutor? lol
[20:31] <SiDi> vim and emacs are more for devs, or for everyday use, because they have a lot of tools that, once you know how to use them, make you gain time
[20:32] <SiDi> with esc or Q. either, try Ctrl+Z or +D or +C
[20:32] <MTec007> Q ! thats what i needed to find out lol
[20:32] <MTec007> i tried q but nothing happed
[20:33] <SiDi> Why do you want to use vim, btw ?
[20:33] <MTec007> i need an editor for my website
[20:33] <TheSheep> try installing mc and using mcedit
[20:34] <MTec007> that a GUI?
[20:34] <SiDi> erm.. :P vim is more for the sysadmins who're hacking through ssh, or for the guys who just broke their xorg.conf and don't have any desktop environment anymore
[20:34] <TheSheep> you remember Norton Commander? it's similar to its editor
[20:34]  * SiDi uses gedit :p
[20:34] <MTec007> i have gedit
[20:35] <MTec007> so its better not to use vim as a editor on a regular basis?
[20:35] <MTec007> or is that preference?
[20:35] <TheSheep> it's fine
[20:36] <TheSheep> it just needs some learning
[20:36] <SiDi> It's preference, honnestly
[20:36] <SiDi> Well, yeh. Vim needs some practice, and emacs needs a lot of practice :p
[20:36] <TheSheep> the more you put in, the more you get out
[20:37] <TheSheep> personally I can't use an editor that doesn't have easy access to regexps
[20:37] <SiDi> Oh btw, if there are non-english speaking people around, almost every locoteam is late on xubuntu-docs translation :p
[20:37] <MTec007> i really appriciate the help guys i dont want to return to windows but i need to get past this learning curve
[20:37] <TheSheep> SiDi: Polish
[20:37] <SiDi> only the swedish teams owned it
[20:37] <SiDi> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xubuntu-docs/+pots/musicvideophotos
[20:37] <TheSheep> MTec007: vim has a very steep learning curve
[20:38] <TheSheep> MTec007: using gedit or mouspad is easier
[20:38] <MTec007> ok
[20:38] <Slonkie> what's a "locoteam" SiDi ?
[20:39] <SiDi> a local team
[20:39] <Slonkie> hm cool
[20:39] <TheSheep> a team that makes localisations -- that is, translates stuff
[20:39] <SiDi> You should try to help them on translations. I didn't notice but there actually is a lot of work
[20:39] <Slonkie> so is there a danish locoteam ?
[20:40] <SiDi> and organises local events, writes the local doc, manages the website / forum
[20:40] <SiDi> yeh
[20:40] <SiDi> There are locoteams for almost everywhere.
[20:41] <MTec007> you guys have any explicit advice for me to avoid breaking things?
[20:42] <MTec007> like dont type: blah... or something
[20:42] <SiDi> Use gedit. and do proper xhtml1.1 with css2.1, and screw ie6
[20:42] <Slonkie> Physically or virtually breaking? :D
[20:42] <SiDi> (sc*** is a bad word, hope noone noticed i typed it :o=
[20:42] <MTec007> ie6 is for windows newbs
[20:42] <Slonkie> physical/virtual
[20:42] <MTec007> i always use valid html css
[20:42] <MTec007> xhtml*
[20:43] <SiDi> good :) you belong to the 5% that care about the semantics of "quality" then ;p
[20:43] <MTec007> Slonkie: either?
[20:43] <Slonkie> lol :P
[20:44] <knome> i site can be valid even if it supported ie6.
[20:44] <MTec007> i tend to get nosey and mess with settings and files i shouldnt or have no reason to mess with
[20:44] <MTec007> thats why i asked
[20:44] <SiDi> knome: yeh, it can, with a few hacks for the 3px width bugs and other merry stuff ;P
[20:47] <knome> SiDi, imho it doesn't really matter if you don't get the *exact* same layout/visual look with ie6 (or any other *old* browser) as long as you can say it is not broken for any browser
[20:47] <knome> SiDi, using ie conditional comments is not bad. they are good if your layout would break ie6 otherwise. with them you can also serve a stripped-down version for ie.
[20:48] <MTec007> knome: if exact is what your looking for print it out and make visitors fill out a form and postal mail it to them.
[20:49] <knome> MTec007, you can have a print stylesheet which will be, if done right, very different from the css for screens
[20:49] <SiDi> knome: i totally agree and that's what i used to do
[20:50] <SiDi> knome: though, i'll now completely give ie6 up, to force people to move on (they're 15% now, i prefer making more efforts for the 10% who don't wanna hear of js/flash and the 2/3% that use lynx or similar browsers)
[20:51] <SiDi> (btw, no browser supports print medias correctly... especially those other than gecko-based browsers ;p)
[20:52] <knome> SiDi, i know, but that's also a decision to do to get more standards-supporting browsers
[20:52] <knome> SiDi, and people are used to shitty prints anyway
[20:53] <SiDi> Yeh
[20:53] <SiDi> they expect that stupid heavy js function
[20:53] <SiDi> or they dont dare printing
[20:53] <SiDi> my websites have always been very sexy when printed !
[20:58] <Slor> Is the advice for "Automatic Keyring" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager still valid?  I'd like to not have to put in a password each boot for my wireless, especially since the machine is set to auto-log me in.
[20:59] <Slor> Once person noted that is caused issues, so I wasn't sure if there's an officially recommended method now
[21:00] <Slor> oh, but I bet Xunbuntu doesn't have this same issue - I should see the #unbuntu channel
[21:07] <SiDi> having a look
[21:08] <boottime> stupid newbie question:  I need to enable a wireless card on my system, but don
[21:08] <Slor> Found a number of other, yet still a few years old, refs - like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192281
[21:08] <boottime> 't have a System -> Administration option, where networking would be in normal ubuntu
[21:08] <SiDi> Slor: its not uptodate imo
[21:09] <SiDi> Slor: i never have to type my password
[21:09] <SiDi> there is an app that keeps the system passwords for you
[21:09] <SiDi> seahorse if i remember
[21:09] <SiDi> it also keeps nm's wireless passwords
[21:09] <Slor> hmmm
[21:09] <SiDi> boottime: Applications -> System
[21:09] <SiDi> or Applications -> parameters
[21:10] <boottime> SiDi, I don't have a "Networking" under that system menu though
[21:11] <SiDi> boottime: for the network stuff, i think you can right click the networkmanager's tray icon, and go to 'edit connections'
[21:12] <boottime> well, that was painfully simple.  The mouse-over text is 'Wired network connection' so I wrongly assumed it didn't handle wireless.  Thank you SiDi
[21:13] <SiDi> you're welcome
[21:14] <Slor> how do I set that up SiDi?  Does seahorse automatically take over the keyring somehow?
[21:14] <SiDi> Its meant to
[21:15] <SiDi> but you can edit the preferences, check applications -> system -> i don't remember
[21:15] <SiDi> It's about keyring, you should find it easily :p
[21:15] <Slor> ok
[21:15] <SiDi> coming back later
[21:15] <SiDi> see you people
[21:15] <Slonkie> Is there any way to "scan" the local network i'm on to find a computer local ip?
[21:22] <TheSheep> Slonkie: arpscan
[21:24] <Slonkie> Is that an application TheSheep ? tried typing arpscan in terminal, dident work, tried searching for it, nothing..
[21:25] <TheSheep> !info arpscan
[21:25] <TheSheep> hmm
[21:26] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install arp-scan
[21:26] <TheSheep> !info arp-scan
[21:27] <Slonkie> pcap_lookupdev: no suitable device found
[21:27] <Slonkie> when i type "arp-scan" in terminal
[21:27] <zoredache> you'll need the sudo
[21:28] <Slonkie> Thanks
[22:22] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with making some keyboard shortcuts
[22:23] <ricochet> i am a noob so please take it slow
[22:23] <knome> what is it that you are trying to achieve?
[22:24] <ricochet> well, when i had ubuntu 8.04 cntrl - delete would open my terminal
[22:24] <knome> right
[22:24] <Slonkie> Applications > Settings > Keyboard > Applications Shortcuts
[22:25] <ricochet> cntrl right arrow would cycle through windows and left arrow would show me the desktop
[22:25] <ricochet> Slonkie: i do that but everytime i try to add one it doesnt do it
[22:27] <Slonkie> ehm mine worked when i added them
[22:28] <ricochet> ok so i go to the keyboard short cut tab.. i click add.. i scroll down to xfce4-terminal then i click add.. then i click OK
[22:28] <ricochet> then it doesnt show up
[22:29] <ricochet> ah! hahaha i am an idiot.. the window kept on hiding behind the original window.. so i didnt know it was there
[22:29] <ricochet> sorry.. noob.
[22:29] <MTec007> how do i fix this? trying to run apt-get E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the download directory
[22:29] <Slonkie> heh no worries
[22:29] <Slonkie> sudo apt-get MTec007 ?
[22:29] <MTec007> i did
[22:29] <ricochet> Slonkie: you wouldnt happen to know which one of these things i select to cycle through the open windows do you? or show the desktop?
[22:30] <Slonkie> 2 secs
[22:30] <MTec007> i dont think the last apt-get close properly it had a issue
[22:30] <ricochet> Slonkie: thanks man
[22:31] <Slonkie> hmm i can't seem to find it, i tought i would be able to see the shortcut for alt+shift but i can't
[22:34] <ricochet> hmmm does anyone know?
[22:34] <Slonkie> MTec007 try reading this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error.html
[22:46] <ricochet> does anyone know how i can make the keyboard shortcut to switch between open windows.. like what alt-tab does?
[22:46] <ricochet> except make it a different shortcut
[22:50] <lukinfore> ricochet, alt-tab is determined in xfwm4 settings afaik
[22:51] <lukinfore> so change it there
[22:51] <ricochet> woah.. im a noob how do i do that?
[22:51] <lukinfore> settings/window manager?
[22:51] <lukinfore> or similar
[22:53] <ricochet> beautiful
[22:53] <ricochet> thanks man
[22:53] <lukinfore> xfwm4-settings for 4.6
[22:53] <lukinfore> oh
[22:53] <lukinfore> np]
[22:55] <ricochet> oh also.. sometimes the windows are too big for the screen... is there a way i can change that?
[22:55] <ricochet> or stop that from happening?
[22:59] <ricochet> anyone?
[23:04] <ricochet> can anyone help me out with some of my windows going below the bottom bar and me not being able to see them?
[23:09] <ricochet> is anyone in here?
[23:09] <ricochet> i need help with another thing too
[23:10] <zoredache> people are here, they must might now know the answer....
[23:10] <knome> !ask | ricochet
[23:12] <ricochet> ok well first off some of my windows keep on peeking below the bottom bar and so i cant see the very bottom or some of the features of the window.. and another thing, i am installing compiz and ran into a problem, i found the fix here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442 but i dont understand how to get to the point where they are at
[23:15] <ricochet> does anyone have a fix for this?
[23:21] <Pollywog> what does one do if they cannot see all the app windows in Xubuntu?  sometimes they are too big to fit
[23:31] <ricochet> can someone help me with a compiz fix in 9.04? here is the link but i dont understand it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:35] <knome> ricochet, you should edit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:36] <ricochet> do i just put that in the terminal?
[23:37] <UKGent> using 64 bit version of xubuntu - synaptic is noticeably faster, as are all the file type operations, searching, installing etc
[23:38] <knome> ricochet, run 'gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/compiz'
[23:39] <ricochet> awesome
[23:40] <UKGent> installing large packages is really fun to watch , it just rips through it
[23:40] <UKGent> pity my ISP is not the same on their download speeds ...
[23:41] <ricochet> knome: Then do i just save?
[23:41] <knome> ricochet, yes.
[23:42] <ricochet> knome: Dude thanks so much for helping! it WORKS!!!
[23:43] <knome> ricochet, np.
[23:43] <knome> good night everybody, i'm out
[23:43] <knome> see you later
[23:43] <ricochet> see you man
[23:44] <ricochet> Hey does anyone know how to edit settings in compiz?
[23:44] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/358796
[23:44] <lukinfore> who's on jaunty can test that one?
[23:45] <Slonkie> loading site
[23:45] <Slonkie> so what should i test, lukinfore ?
[23:46] <lukinfore> is bug affects yu?
[23:46] <lukinfore> or not
[23:46] <lukinfore> that's the point
[23:46] <Slonkie> i don't understand the bug
[23:46] <Slonkie> scolling in htop should work as mouse 1?
[23:46] <lukinfore> uhm
[23:46] <lukinfore> scrolling in amn
[23:47] <lukinfore> *man
[23:47] <Slonkie> I don't know what man is
[23:47] <lukinfore> just type man man
[23:47] <lukinfore> and enter sure
[23:48] <Slonkie> when i type man man there is alot of text
[23:48] <Slonkie> nothing asking me to type sure :p
[23:48] <lukinfore> so, is it srollable?
[23:50] <Slonkie> well, when i press more the document shows in the terminal and i'm capable of scrolling the terminal, yes.
[23:54] <lukinfore> 'press more' ?
[23:54] <Slonkie> eeh how do i explain it? try opening man man in a small terminal
[23:55] <Slonkie> you'll be able to press "more" with enter
[23:56] <lukinfore> maybe your terminal is not xfce4-terminal?
[23:56] <lukinfore> cause there is no 'more' for me
[23:56] <Slonkie> oh might be
[23:57] <Slonkie> using the one in Accesories
[23:57] <lukinfore> it shows namual page, line, where --More usually appears to be


[00:00] <ikonia> concur
[00:01] <Pici> jrib: fwiw, while breunig might be a regular, he also has a history of trolling our channels.
[00:01] <jrib> heh, I know (I've banned him before for it), but lately he's been more helpful
[00:02] <Pici> That troubles me a bit
[00:02] <ikonia> he's been quite helpful in the channel, but quite helpful in #archlinux at orginising others to troll
[02:44] <mneptok> keep an eye on bruenig
[02:45] <mneptok> he's deliberately annoying people, AFAICT
[02:45] <Flannel> again?
[02:46] <mneptok> again.
[02:46] <mneptok> #u
[03:03] <mneptok> apparently bruenig is CTCP'ing and /notice'ing people that he decides to irritate. but i don;t have enough evidence to ban him. and i'm heading for dinner.
[06:42] <bazhang> nice.
[06:42] <Flannel> What?
[06:42] <bazhang> Death Threats via PM
[06:43] <nalioth> bazhang: awwww, don't you feel all warm and snuggly?
[06:43] <bazhang> nalioth, hehe
[06:43] <bazhang> he's probably 13 or something
[06:43] <Flannel> Not that it's relevant here, but shadowwolf just joined #math and asked if anyone wanted to have a religious debate.  What's wrong with that boy?
[06:44] <bazhang> heh
[06:44] <nalioth> i've had a few tell me my address and informed me they were coming over to "take me to school", but nobody ever shows up . . . .
[06:44] <bazhang> whoa
[06:46] <elky> similar to what a certain hawaiian user said to me but a little more graphic and terminal
[06:46] <elky> s/but/but that/
[07:12]  * jussi01 waves
[07:22] <bazhang> may wish to keep an eye on #kubuntu as dhonie_ (banned in #u and #u+1 ) may surface there.
[07:24] <bazhang> recommended he join #ubuntu-id and he is there now
[07:31] <jussi01> bazhang: 1 line the exited...
[07:46] <bazhang> jussi01, sorry was away for a moment; I saw that (now trying to ban evade with nick of van) just PM'ed me
[07:58] <tsimpson> random fact: we have 15488 "items" in the bans database
[07:59] <jussi01> heh
[08:37] <Flannel> Hmm
[08:53] <Flannel> er
[08:53] <Flannel> -motu, tweaker needs a ban
[08:55] <Flannel> Mmm, he stopped apparently.
[08:56] <Flannel> oh, there he goes again.
[08:57] <Flannel> oh, and -devel
[08:57] <Flannel> lovely
[08:58] <ikonia> mneptok: in my opinion and for the record bruenig has a LOT of proven form of unacceptable behaviour, if users are complaining about him, I would personally ban him and sort it out later due to his known form, it may be the wrong thing to do but the guy gets away with it due to how sneaky he is while in the channel, and blatent outside the channel
[09:00] <Flannel> Ah, and now he's threatening ban evasion!
[09:05] <dholbach> hello
[09:06] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[09:06] <dholbach> I just banned modder25 from #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-meeting
[09:06] <Flannel> Oh, he was in -meeting too?
[09:06] <dholbach> if somebody could do the same in #ubuntu-devel I'd appreciate it
[09:06] <dholbach> I was very patient with him
[09:07] <Flannel> yeah, I already spent some time with him in #ubuntu.  Where he earned a ban, and I imagine that's what started his spamming spree.
[09:07] <dholbach> not sure if I followed the correct procedure and if I need to do anything else just now
[09:07] <Gary> on it, give us a mo
[09:08]  * Flannel wonders why Hobbsee isn't in here anymore.
[09:09] <jussi01> Gary: is he getting a ticket on the k train?
[09:09] <dholbach> is there an auto-expiry for the ban?
[09:09] <dholbach> or do I have to unban at some stage?
[09:09] <Flannel> dholbach: No, you have , yeah
[09:09] <dholbach> ok, I'll take a note to do that tomorrow (before I go on vacation)
[09:10] <jussi01> dholbach: I can sort it if you like, but I think maybe he will get a network wide ban. Gary ?
[09:10] <dholbach> jussi01: that'd be nice if you took care of it - as you can tell, I'm far from being an expert
[09:11] <jussi01> dholbach: no probs, which channels have you banned him in?
[09:11] <Gary> dholbach jussi01 solved
[09:11] <dholbach> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-meeting
[09:11] <dholbach> #ubuntu-devel I couldn't get an op for
[09:11] <dholbach> thanks guys
[09:11] <Flannel> Gary: ah, thanks.  I'll remove my bans
[09:11] <jussi01> right, you can unban now, or I can do it, your choice
[09:12] <dholbach> please do it, I'm not sure I'd do it correctly :)
[09:13] <jussi01> hehe, hobbsee beat me to it :)
[09:13] <Flannel> dholbach: It's just /mode -b [whatever you set +b on]
[09:13] <Flannel> oh, with no brackets, of course.
[09:13] <jussi01> dholbach: ok, all is sorted now. :) thanks again
[09:13] <dholbach> Flannel: ah ok
[09:13] <dholbach> good to know
[09:13] <dholbach> no worries
[09:14] <dholbach> at least I managed to tell him where to get help, maybe he'll do it in the end
[09:15] <ikonia> I think hobbsee's just said he's been klined
[09:15] <ikonia> and she removed her ban on him
[09:16] <dholbach> thanks a bunch for taking care of it
[09:16] <dholbach> have a great day!
[09:16]  * jussi01 hugs ikonia... bit late :)
[09:17] <ikonia> I'll take it, thanks
[09:22] <dragon_> i'm not sure if L33Thaxor666's behavior in #ubuntu deserves an !ops trigger.
[11:46] <jrib> Here's my proposal for the "ubuntu is too big" problem: have the default irc client, pidgin, ship with a plugin that only shows highlights for #ubuntu (with some obvious notification that it is enabled and an easy way to disable it)
[11:51] <jussi01> jrib: come again?
[11:55] <jrib> jussi01: context?  or what I said?
[11:55] <jrib> oh
[11:55] <jrib> I mean "#ubuntu is too big"
[11:56] <jrib> When a new user joins #ubuntu, he'll only see messages that have his nick in it.  That way the issue that there is too much traffic in #ubuntu for it to be helpful goes away
[11:57] <jussi01> hrm
[12:09] <elky> jrib, the problem is training people to actually address people properly
[12:12] <tsimpson> that still leaves the problem posted in comment #5
[12:13] <jrib> tsimpson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799?comments=all ?
[12:13] <jrib> I don't want to split the channel at all
[12:13] <tsimpson> it'll have a similar effect for the "general public"
[12:14] <jrib> tsimpson: can you explain?
[12:14] <tsimpson> a user asking for support, but knowing how to fix another users issue, will never see the other issues
[12:15] <jrib> tsimpson: remember, the only users who would keep this setting enabled are those who feel the traffic in #ubuntu is too heavy anyway so they wouldn't help with another user's issue most likely
[12:16] <tsimpson> I mean casual users
[12:16] <tsimpson> eg: "Oh, I had that issue when I started, this is how you fix it..."
[12:20] <jrib> I don't think it's a real issue because 1) someone more experienced can probably also help 2) the user would not notice other's questions when the amount of traffic is too much for him.  I agree it means the user is less likely to begin giving back to the community, which is bad.  Maybe the questions metabot catches could be shown as well
[12:25] <tsimpson> it maybe an idea for the plugin to make the text light/grey instead of filtering too, or have it configurable
[12:25] <jrib> tsimpson: do you know if pidgin does not highlight by default?
[12:26] <tsimpson> I don't use pidgin, so have no clue
[12:26] <jrib> I think we need some statistics.   I've always thought highlighting was good enough to make #ubuntu very useful
[12:26] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure it would though
[12:27] <jrib> But since more than a few people claim #ubuntu is not useful to them, I've always assumed it's because highlighting wasn't good enough
[12:27] <tsimpson> the thing about highlighting is to make a line _more_ visible, with "greying" the bulk of the text becomes _less_ visible and so highlighting becomes less necessary
[12:28] <jrib> maybe a separate window in pidgin, that limits itself to highlights, that way the user can go back to the full context
[12:28] <jrib> tsimpson: I think part of the problem is the amount of scroll
[13:06] <Pici> !away > Until_It|Sleeps
[13:06] <Pici> !away > Until_It_Sleeps
[13:16] <tsimpson> seems Until_It_Sleeps doesn't care: * Until_It_Sleeps is now known as UIS|AFK
[13:19] <bazhang> harjot is not maniheer
[13:19] <bazhang> maniheer is still trying to ban dodge though
 please clear the way, I am an official computer styled scientist
[13:22] <Pici> 'impertinent'?
[13:23] <bazhang> this is the 'my bunty broke' guy
[13:23] <Pici> oy
[13:23] <bazhang> ultra-troll extraordinaire
[13:23] <Pici> Do you have notes there? I can barely remember who is who..
[13:25] <bazhang> just in the BT, ef_codd as a search term ; he was using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>before
[13:56] <tsimpson> someone should start writing up wiki pages for bantrackertwo blueprints, so people can add comments etc
[13:57] <Pici> 'someone'?
[13:57] <tsimpson> someone who is not me :)
[13:57] <bazhang> thought there was one already; or was the one I saw the other day not it
[13:58] <tsimpson> there are no pages linked from the blueprints anyway
[13:58] <Pici> This is my first time really using the blueprints, I'm not really sure what would be in a linked wiki page.
[14:01] <bazhang> next outburst by ef_codd in #ubuntu and he is gone
[14:01] <Pici> in #u or #u-ot?
[14:01] <bazhang> #u
[14:02] <topyli> now gone from -ot
[14:03] <tsimpson> blueprints.l.n is mostly used to track overall process, the wiki is where the work/ideas go
[14:03] <tsimpson> eg: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/daily-upstream-builds-poc (top of the ubuntu blueprints page)
[14:16] <ikonia> @bansearch maniheer
[14:17] <ikonia> maniheer!*@*  ?? how did he get in #ubuntu then
[14:17] <Pricey> ikonia: when?
[14:18] <ikonia> 12:47 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e  maniheer!i=5ac79ad6@gateway/web/freenode/x-9d6d916897faf9e4] by  FloodBot3
[14:18] <bazhang> he tried but was turned away by the FB's
[14:18] <ikonia> 13:08 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-e  maniheer!i=5ac79ad6@gateway/web/freenode/x-9d6d916897faf9e4] by  FloodBot2, FloodBot3
[14:18] <ikonia> they did a +e first
[14:18] <bazhang> I had him in PM the whole time
[14:18] <ikonia> surly they would not bother
[14:18] <ikonia> ahhhh quick bz
[14:18] <ikonia> quick bazhang
[14:39] <bazhang> any objections to removing until it sleeps?
[14:44] <bazhang> had him/her in PM; wanted to argue that it was 'just a nick change' asked him/her to exit the channel and that status change message *is* an away message
[18:49] <bazhang> bullgard need to learn the benefits of having a PM with ubottu
[18:51] <Pici> His question was at least on topic this time.
[18:52] <bazhang> heh good point
[19:37] <Flannel> !away > iamcalledrob|awa
[19:52] <Pici> what?
[19:55] <Seeker`> Pici: there is nothing on ubuntu about that!
[19:56] <Seeker`> how can you not understand that?
[19:56] <Pricey> Flannel: weren't you looking for !awa?
[20:04] <Pici> Seeker`: That was after getting !patience > in #ubuntu, don't understand how that is a reply to that.
[22:59] <Seeker`> @bansearch maniheer
[23:52] <h00k> I would like to formally apologize for my actions on Monday, July 6th as seen http://pastebin.com/d799594e1.  My goal was not to harass or offend another user, and I am sorry my actions could have been seen as such.
[23:53] <h00k> *In channel #ubuntu-offtopic


[01:24] <pavlos> does browse network work? can you see other hosts in your subnet?
[01:39] <brianXP> hi
[01:39] <brianXP> I think that I no longer need Windows is it okay to install 18.04?
[01:40] <pavlos> 10.04 is beta now, one more month and it will be released
[01:40] <pavlos> 18.04
[01:42] <brianXP> what about using a the final freeze version? Could it give me any troubles? D:
[01:45] <pavlos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[16:26] <Menzador> Lol, according to the release schedule today is "March 22th"
[16:28] <enyc> Menzador: who invented all this th/nd/rd/[...etc...] unnecessary-complexity anyway??!?!?
[16:28] <Menzador> I blame the Anglos, Saxons, and Jutes
[17:41] <mesa> Hello: I'm running Bionic Beaver, 3-21-2018 build date, on an iMac 5k 27"  - cpu intel Core<EMAIL_ADDRESS>x8, graphics Radeon r9 m395x. Currently dual booting High Sierra and Ubuntu Bionic Beaver. I used reFINd boot manager to get through the installation. The problem I am having now is Ubuntu is re-writing the boot record everytime I run it: (I have to reinstall reFINd while booted to the maacosx . How can I have ubuntu (grub I assume) not to rewrite
[17:41] <mesa> the boot record. I want to use reFINd. Thanks.
[17:43] <mesa> I'm happy to report that, other than the behaviour m,entioned above, It is running very nicely on the mac hardware.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> didnt test on mac myself mesa
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !mac | mesa can this help anyhow>?
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !mac
[17:48] <mesa> lotuspsychje: Thanks I will read now.
[18:05] <JimBuntu> mesa, Were you using Ubuntu prior to Bionic Beaver?
[18:05] <mesa> no
[18:05] <mesa> slackware
[18:06] <mesa> mac osx high sierra
[18:06] <JimBuntu> I am using a similar set up to what you describe, except 16.04 and don't have that issue, that's why I was wondering.
[18:06] <mesa> 16.04 didn't work for me due to graphics drivers. I needed the kernel support in the Beaver
[18:07] <JimBuntu> whoops, now I see it's an iMac... I always think MBP
[18:14] <mesa> JimBuntu: What bootloader are you using to dual boot with?
[18:15] <JimBuntu> I am using reFINd
[18:15] <mesa> Grub keeps rewriting my boot record nullifying reFINd.
[18:15] <JimBuntu> The only times I have to reload reFINd is when updating, sometimes macOS removes it on me... but it only takes a few seconds to re-install and it keeps my old settings/etc
[18:16] <mesa> Everytime I boot to ubuntu then grub takes over. Have to reinstall reFINd.
[18:16] <mesa> I'm researching now on how to solve the issue.
[18:16] <mesa> Lunch time, later.
[18:16] <JimBuntu> That is odd to me. Have fun
[18:47] <Asad2005> I have upgraded to 18.04 from 17.10 at the end of file installation it failed, i think everything installed apart from papirus icon theme, is it safe to restart, rerunning the update manager shows only papirus but again failing to install it
[18:49] <Asad2005> plus unsused header files to be removed
[18:49] <nacc> Asad2005: "papirus-icon-theme"?
[18:49] <Asad2005> yes
[18:49] <nacc> Asad2005: can you pastebin what happens in a terminal when you try to run `sudo apt-get -f install` ?
[18:50] <Asad2005> i will try
[18:51] <nacc> Asad2005: just curious why it's failing, as the package only exists in bionic
[18:57] <Asad2005> https://pastebin.com/XtRkQnLK
[18:57] <nacc> Asad2005: that's from '-f install' ?
[18:57] <Asad2005> yes
[18:58] <nacc> Asad2005: it seems like papirus-icon-theme is installed fine then
[18:58] <nacc> Asad2005: `apt-cache policy papirus-icon-theme`
[18:59] <Asad2005> https://pastebin.com/Y93FdaAd
[19:00] <Asad2005> the update-manager ended just before the clean up process
[19:00] <Asad2005> Can i safely restart
[19:02] <Asad2005> If thats the only package can i try uninstalling it first
[19:03] <nacc> Asad2005: ah, you were running some unsupported version of it?
[19:03] <Asad2005> probably yes
[19:03] <nacc> Asad2005: i would remove that first (sudo apt remove papirus-icon-theme) then install it by ahdn (sudo apt-get install papirus-icon-theme)
[19:03] <nacc> then i'd reboot
[19:04] <Asad2005> ok thanks
[22:44] <mesa> More success running Bionic Beaver (build date 3-21) on my iMac 5k 27". All my Apple Periph's are working: Magic Mouse 2, Magic Trackpad 2 & Magic Keyboard. Some gestures are not... yet. I wonder how to further configure ?
[22:45] <mesa> All Above are bluetooth devices. =) sweet.
[22:49] <mesa> I think I will document this entire setup, not just the bluetoooth, from the beginning to help others. Where would be a good place to post my "Installing and Dual Booting Ubuntu Bionic Beaver and High Sierra Mac OSX on your iMac" ?
[22:50] <mesa> I'll put it on my personal blog for now.
[22:51] <mesa> I'm searching for guidance/docs on fine tuning the keyboard/Trackpad/Mouse right now. Trying to get special keys on the keyboard (multimedia, etc) and trackpad and mouse gestures fine tuned.
[23:57] <hggdh> interesting. After today's updates I lost the ability to set the primary touchpad button. Now the primary is the left button no matter what.


[20:00] <sirstone[m]> Hello, any source that explain how to keep the raid created with mdadm after a reboot? the guide I've followed doesn't work
[20:09] <Maik> sirstone[m]: wrong channel? Can't see how it's related to Ubuntu Studio at all.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> 100% not an Ubuntu Studio issue, sirstone . Try #freenode_#ubuntu:matrix.org
[20:16] <sirstone[m]> Could not join #ubuntu on 'chat.freenode.net': err_needreggednick but thanks anyway
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> sirstone: That means you need to register with Freenode. We cannot support what you're asking, wrong group of users. I'd access through an IRC client.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Or use askubuntu.com


[23:40] <kainzobevets> helo
[23:40] <kainzobevets> mac or linix
[23:42] <kainzobevets> which is better (linux shit) or Macintosh


[14:14] <ngovanhai> hi
[14:40] <humayun> Hey Everyone
[15:37] <balloons> hello
[15:41] <dpm> hi everyone
[15:41] <tathhu> 'ello
[15:44] <dpm> o/
[15:44] <davibu> o/
[15:46] <jnxd> it was supposed to have started right?
[15:46] <dpm> jnxd, in 15 minutes, always top of the hour :)
[15:47] <jnxd> 1500 utc?
[15:47] <dpm> yeah
[15:47] <jnxd> its nearing 1600 utc
[15:48] <dpm> jnxd, ah, you're right, but the schedule is at 16:00UTC, I stand corrected
[15:49] <jnxd> dpm: are one of the hosts today?
[15:49] <dpm> balloons, myself, and Pat Mc Gowan and Richard Collins will be joining us later in the call today as guests
[15:50] <dpm> it would be a good opportunity to ask them about the tablet and convergence features :)
[15:54] <davibu> I really like the Idea of 2in1, but I want to buy a ubuntu/other linux os one >.>
[15:55] <davibu> So i hope this tablet enable 2in1 Power :D
[15:55] <jnxd> dpm: All I can think of is when it would be released in India. Will it be through bq or snapdeal? And what about accessories?
[16:00] <dpm> hi everyone
[16:00] <dpm> about to start in a minute
[16:01] <dragos> hi dpm
[16:01] <dragos> dpm
[16:02] <theBest> Hi
[16:02] <balloons> hello hello :-)
[16:02] <dragonbite> excited for the tablet, anybody else?
[16:03] <jnxd> all ok
[16:03] <teklordz> Sound is ok
[16:03] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Can hear and see :)
[16:04] <dragonbite> it's coming out in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9QCZKJYOQ but not in the video part of the ubuntuonair.com page
[16:04] <svij> oh, balloons desk moved!
[16:04] <dpm> dholbach, can you help us with checking that out?
[16:04] <balloons> indeed, new room!
[16:04] <dpm> ^^
[16:04] <pwah_> i can see the video
[16:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Its working on ubuntuonair.com for me
[16:05] <dragonbite> maybe I need to refresh the page?
[16:05] <svij> dragonbite: yep had to do that too
[16:05] <dholbach> dpm, the video works for me... anything else I can help with?
[16:06] <dragonbite> yup, that works
[16:06] <dpm> ok, thanks everyone for confirming
[16:06] <dpm> remember to prepend your questions with QUESTION
[16:07] <pwah_> QUESTION: why an ARM tablet (M10) and not a x86 tablet + steam?
[16:07] <dpm> if you've got any ones related to tablet, feel free to ask already and we'll queue them up when Pat and Richard arrive
[16:07] <dpm> thanks pwah_ :)
[16:07] <pwah_> :P
[16:08] <svij> Question: do we hear nicks baby there? ;)
[16:08] <ahayzen> QUESTION: If translations are made to a project which is actually upstream (eg GIMP https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gimp) do translations made in Launchpad get automatically pushed upstream (eg to http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp) or do they have to be pushed manually or do they not get pushed at all?
[16:08] <dragonbite> is that a baby or a cat?
[16:08] <jnxd> QUESTION: When would the tablet be released in India. Will it be through bq or snapdeal? And what about accessories?
[16:09] <dshimer> QUESTION: Seeing Ubuntu in cars and devices is really exciting, but it got me wondering... When an Ubuntu powered car crashes (or the fridge burns a house down) and the owner starts suing everyone in sight will there be anything separating Cannonical from the manufacturer who integrated the system?  We know it will happen, is this something that Cannonical is planning for and could withstand?
[16:09] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: what be new and improved tablet specific features being worked on?
[16:09] <dholbach> dpm, 3-5 MAY!
[16:09] <dholbach> dpm, (not March)
[16:10] <pwah_> QUESTION: will the tablet be based on snappy? + ubuntu 16.04
[16:10] <teklordz> Will users of the Ubuntu tablet be able to change the desktop environment?
[16:10] <dholbach> teklordz, make sure you prefix your question with QUESTION:
[16:11] <teklordz> QUESTION: Will users of the Ubuntu tablet be able to change the desktop environment?
[16:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: The tablet will come with libre office, GIMP and firefox preinstalled in my understanding, Will we see them in the store?
[16:11] <dragonbite> QUESTION: is the tablet running Unity 7 or Unity 8?
[16:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> OPO With ubuntu is \(^-^)/
[16:11] <pwah_> QUESTION: any plans for community ports for tablets? arm/x86
[16:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Oh :3
[16:13] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Any hud update?
[16:13] <dragonbite> :)
[16:13] <pwah_> QUESTION: any updates for the tablet mode? from the pictures posted on the verge it's the old tablet mode (1 year old?)
[16:14] <dragonbite> QUESTION: does there orientation awareness when the tablet is connected to the keyboard, mouse and monitor?
[16:14] <Amar> QUESTION: Is there any progress on making the dash in Unity 8?
[16:14] <Amar> desktop i mean
[16:14] <pwah_> QUESTION: is the tablet usable for drawing? maybe with krita or gimp
[16:14] <dragos> QUESTION:can i get an free ubuntu device?
[16:15] <dragos> by device i mean phone or tablet
[16:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl> pwah_ I beleive gimp will be preinstalled
[16:15] <abi_> how ti install it in phone like sumsung android
[16:15] <pwah_> ChloeWolfieGirl: nice
[16:15] <dragonbite> QUESTION: will the tablet include stylus support out of the box?
[16:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: With ubuntu w/ unity 7 wacom tablets have a setting space in system settings, whats the plan for wacom tablet support for drawing?
[16:16] <dragonbite> QUESTION: what all triggers the convergence mode? plugging in a monitor via HDMI? or will it be manually turned on?
[16:17] <ahayzen> awesome thanks for the detailed answer dpm :-)
[16:18] <ted_> QUESTION. Where is the app store for tablet/phone, can it be viewed on a PC web browser?
[16:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: WHat are some features you're looking forward to in ota10 and 11?
[16:19] <pwah_> QUESTION: are the phone apps from ubuntu store working and looking good on the M10 tablet?
[16:20] <dragonbite> QUESTION: when is the next big announcement for Ubuntu Phones likely?
[16:20] <Amar> @ted see uappexplorer
[16:21] <Amar> https://uappexplorer.com/
[16:21] <dragonbite> QUESTION: any update on plans on how to get running Unity 8 on 16.04 when it comes out
[16:22] <dshimer> QUESTION: re: Litigation, but does the open nature of Linux offer unique dangers.  Someone could use snappy core without anyone even knowing it until the drone actually kills a kitten. Not being to blame rarely protects someone with cash to attack.
[16:22] <dragonbite> separate ISO? web store?
[16:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: When can I install ubuntu personal on a laptop/desktop, with it being all snappy based rather then having it in a lxc container?
[16:23] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Do you think you're going to get through all of these questions? ;)
[16:23] <dragos> QUESTION:do u have a baby?
[16:23] <dragonbite> he does
[16:23] <dragonbite> right next to him
[16:25] <dragos> QUESTION:can i get an free ubuntu phone?
[16:25] <dragos> QUESTION:How can i get an free ubuntu phone? *correction of my last question
[16:26] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestones
[16:26] <dragonbite> enter the Scopes contest!
[16:26] <svij> dragos: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/
[16:26] <dragos> and another way?
[16:26] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww08-2016
[16:27] <core_apps_police> calendar app and documents app
[16:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: any update for the messanger app that gives plug-in support for im apps?
[16:28] <jnxd> calendar
[16:28] <jnxd> yeah we need that
[16:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What are all the new phones and tablets coming out this year and next year? ;P
[16:29] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Cheeky
[16:29] <balloons> dshimer, I'm not sure open source has precedent for more dangers.. it would be scary to see such a thing
[16:30] <_Sponge> Nice to see your back ChloeWolfieGirl :-)
[16:30] <balloons> dragonbite, yes and yes :-)
[16:30] <ChloeWolfieGirl> _Sponge Aww thanks :) I'm glad to be back! :)
[16:32] <dpm> hi pmcgowan o/
[16:32] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Is Pat and the other Lead developer (sorry missed his name) .. Oh wait it's Richard. Anyway the question is : Are they both satisfied that the tablet doesn't come with a SIM card slot ??
[16:34] <balloons> keep your tablet questions coming :-) Now is the time to ask
[16:34] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Could we have (for the sake of Community) both guest's twitter names and possibly their user-names on reddit, please ?
[16:34] <dpm> _Sponge, Richard is the Ubuntu Devices Product Manager
[16:34] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What size does the tablet need to be for desktop mode to occur?
[16:35] <dpm> _Sponge, Pat is Engineering Director
[16:35] <_Sponge> dpm, Head-honchow then, good stuff - Happy Year Of The Monkey, too dpm !
[16:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Will this tablet be buyable from my local currys pc world?
[16:36] <_Sponge> ChloeWolfieGirl: Doubt it - but here's hoping :-)
[16:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Now theres a convergence tablet will there be more effort in Click/snappyfying existing desktop apps?
[16:38] <_Sponge> Here's the stream on Ytube is anyone wants it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9QCZKJYOQ
[16:38] <teklordz> QUESTION: Will GUFW firewall be available for install on the tablet?
[16:40] <svij> QUESTION: How's updating the preinstalled apps (like firefox) will be working on the tablet, if they're not in the store?
[16:40] <Guest34500> QUESTION will BQ and Meizu phones get the ability to run X applications in future updates?
[16:42] <_Sponge> QUESTION: What are the problems with getting 2G/2.5G on the phones for the American market ? And are you disconcerted that we've missed this oppourtunity ? Why has Canonical negated the US rural market, historically ? Is there a way to by-pass this problem using existing and available flash-able phone/s ?
[16:43] <Maur> Question : will the tablet be snappy based ?
[16:44] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Some of the Apps ( Calendar App ) cannot be exchanged for better Apps "by default" - Why is this ? Could the existing backbone App/s become more exchange-able in the future ? If so, when is that likely ?
[16:45] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Will we see the guests (both Pat and Richard) at the next Ubuntu UOS - Ubuntu Online Summit ?
[16:46] <micah68> Answer: uappexplorer.com
[16:46] <_Sponge> I'm just curious why we see them (rolled-out) at the end of the software cycle (just before launch) as opposed to getting some kind of support 'during' development.
[16:49] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Why were the Ubuntu App Clinic Youtube shows quit ? Was it because people got bored with it ?
[16:54] <_Sponge> dpm, Does this Q&A finish in 5 minutes ?
[16:54] <dpm> yes
[16:54] <dpm> we'll be able to answer a few more
[16:55] <Amar> QUESTION: Are there any plans to make it easier to port iOS/Android apps?
[16:55] <AJ_> QUESTION ist ther a chans that we will get a x86 distro of the os that will be on the m10?
[16:56] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Why is the Nexus page on wiki.ubuntu so vacant, when it could be used to give detailed instructions ( and video) of how to get ubuntu on the Nexus "Flagship" phones/tablets ?
[16:56] <_Sponge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/Nexus
[17:00] <balloons> _Sponge, the mx4 does have 3g + hspa support
[17:01] <balloons> It's quite usable within the US, but indeed, it's the only device
[17:01] <teklordz> <<< will buy the tablet for sure. Can't wait to give it a try. Thanks for your answers
[17:02] <dragonbite> bye-bye
[17:02] <micah68> Amar: Michael Hall buitl a tool that tries to convert Android source. Though he's said that it's a tough nut to crack and there is still a lot of work left to do after th tool runs.
[17:02] <balloons> thanks for the questions everyone!
[17:02] <balloons> really good stuff
[17:02] <balloons> yea, the UI bits are radically different, but porting might not be as hard as you think
[17:02] <micah68> Thanks, balloons, and everyone!
[17:02] <Amar> Ah ok
[17:02] <_Sponge> dpm, balloons, NOT bad 8.5 outta 10.
[17:02] <Amar> Thanks
[17:02] <balloons> plenty of teams do ios + android
[17:03] <dpm> thanks _Sponge :D
[17:03] <_Sponge> np
[17:03] <AJ_> I wanted to know if a tablet like the surffase runig ubunru cold have the same toutch interface as ubuntu mobile
[17:04] <_Sponge> ballooons, dpm : Still looking to convert vthis page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/Nexus INTO a better instruction manual for flashing / aswell as getting more info on how compatible, they are with Ubuntu Touch.
[17:05] <_Sponge> It's a weak point and bottle-neck.
[17:09] <_Sponge> latecomers: Show finished 7 minutes ago.
[17:09] <dpm> _Sponge, feel free to edit the wiki, contributions are welcome!
[17:23] <AJ_> .


[01:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:44] <ducasse> good morning
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:20] <oerheks> discussion going on, https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> sharing data back to the servers seems a hot topic these days
[20:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue690 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue690 :D


[00:57] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/hirsute 9343d71 Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/ changelog patches/series patches/xkbinfo-only-insert-new-layouts-skip-over-duplicate-ones.patch * d/p/xkbinfo-only-insert-new-layouts-skip-over-duplicate-ones.patch * https://deb.li/36enI
[00:57] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop ubuntu/hirsute 5c83bab Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/changelog * Upload to hirsute * https://deb.li/OlYU
[01:00] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop signed tags 6f8c363 Gunnar Hjalmarsson ubuntu/3.38.5-1ubuntu2_21.04.2 * gnome-desktop3 Debian release 3.38.5-1ubuntu2~21.04.2 * https://deb.li/3KmOF
[01:47] <callmepk> good morning
[06:06] <jibel> Good morning
[07:06] <callmepk> hi jibel
[07:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:10] <jibel> Hi callmepk seb128
[07:11] <callmepk> hi seb128
[07:23] <juliank> I finished digging into broken keyboard shortcuts and doh
[07:23] <juliank> org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings move-to-workspace-left ['<Super><Shift>Page_Up', '<Super><Shift><Alt>Left', '<Control><Shift><Alt>Left']
[07:24] <juliank> gsettings schema 40 rebinds the <Super><Shift>Page_Up/Down shortcuts to left/right workspace moving
[07:25] <juliank> But gnome-shell 38 still arranges them up/down, breaking the whole thing and seriously impeding productivity :D
[07:32] <juliank> Filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-desktop-schemas/+bug/1934644
[07:53] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[07:59] <didrocks> good morning
[08:03] <laney> yo
[08:04] <didrocks> hey laney
[08:05] <seb128> hey jibel callmepk ricotz didrocks laney, how are you?
[08:09] <didrocks> I’m good, thanks, and you seb128?
[08:09] <seb128> didrocks, I'm alright thanks!
[08:21] <laney> hey didrocks seb128
[08:22] <laney> doing okay, had a nice weekend by the sea!
[08:25] <didrocks> hey hey laney
[08:31] <ricotz> hello didrocks laney seb128
[08:32] <ricotz> I had a slow and pleasant weekend
[08:59] <laney> hey ricotz
[08:59] <laney> slow is good, that's my kinda pace
[09:17] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[10:33] <seb128> RikMills, hey, you are perhaps interested in oc
[10:33] <seb128> commenting on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse3/+bug/1934510 from a kubuntu perspective
[10:43] <cpaelzer> yeah every voice might help
[10:44] <RikMills> seb128: was subbed to that somehow, and already phrasing my comment ;)
[10:45] <RikMills> done
[10:46] <seb128> RikMills, thanks
[13:39] <KGB-2> tracker-miners Guido Günther 246703 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/3hWtC
[14:18] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, what's the status of the shell update to impish? we broke a bit things with updates as julian described earlier and we are holding other things due to transitions now
[14:18] <KGB-0> tracker-miners Iain Lane 246725 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/31gBV
[14:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, should I go ahead and copy librsvg 2.50.7+dfsg-1 from experimental to impish?
[14:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, yes please :)
[14:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, syncpackage (just making sure that's you mean by copy)
[14:47] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes, that's what I meant indeed
[14:48] <oSoMoN> and done
[15:03] <seb128> oSoMoN, 👍
[15:08] <KGB-1> tracker-miners Guido Günther 246731 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/370mi
[15:15] <KGB-1> tracker-miners Iain Lane 246735 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/mvE0
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, hope to upload the remaining by tomorrow
[15:22] <KGB-1> tracker-miners Guido Günther 246737 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/3yUu2
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, great, thanks