[11:56] <mvuelma> Good morning.
[11:57] <Destine> mvuelma, morning! Well, actually it's night for me, :-)
[11:58] <mvuelma> Oh, excuse me, Destine. So, good evening.
[12:00] <head_victim> Evening all, just organising ourselves for the 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board Meeting
[12:04] <cyphermox> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
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[12:04] <cyphermox> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for October 24, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:05] <cyphermox> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:05] <cyphermox> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:05] <cyphermox> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:05] <cyphermox> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:05] <cyphermox> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:06] <cyphermox> #voters cyphermox head_victim IdleOne destine
[12:06] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne cyphermox destine head_victim
[12:06] <cyphermox> Now, without any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[12:06] <cyphermox> (just a second
[12:06] <IdleOne> Morning :P
[12:06] <IdleOne> :)
[12:06] <cyphermox> #subtopic Marta Vuelma (mvuelma )
[12:08] <cyphermox> mvuelma: are you around? (sorry if you're busy typing :)
[12:08] <mvuelma> Hello to all.
[12:08] <cyphermox> Hi!
[12:09] <mvuelma> May I start introducing myself?
[12:09] <cyphermox> of course :)
[12:09] <head_victim> Evening mvuelma :)
[12:09] <mvuelma> Well, let's go.
[12:10] <mvuelma> I live in Brazil and I started working with Linux in 2001. In 2010 I started my activities with Ubuntu community.
[12:11] <mvuelma> Desde esta data tenho participado de diversas formas na comunidade.
[12:11] <mvuelma> Since this date I have participated in various ways in the community.
[12:11] <mvuelma> Sorry, I wrote last words in Portuguese.
[12:12] <head_victim> That's ok, I've had whole IRC conversations via google translate before
[12:13] <mvuelma> I have done several events in various locations in the country. Lectures, courses.
[12:13] <head_victim> So I see you have some good testimonials, do you have any links showing you in action with the events, lectures and training?
[12:13] <IdleOne> https://launchpad.net/~mvuelma
[12:13] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartaVuelma
[12:14] <mvuelma> Participate actively in supporting the user community and was chosen LoCoTeam Leader in my region.
[12:14] <cyphermox> #link https://launchpad.net/~mvuelma
[12:15] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartaVuelma
[12:15] <mvuelma> Well, I think you may check more detailed information in my wiki.
[12:15] <cyphermox> (just making sure meetingology sees the links)
[12:16] <mvuelma> That's it!
[12:16] <IdleOne> mvuelma: can you tell us a bit more about ubuntu-br-rs ?
[12:17] <mvuelma> IdleOne, of course.
[12:17] <mvuelma> Here in Brazil, some LoCo Teams were inactive.
[12:18] <IdleOne> ah, ok so it is a sub-loco team of the -br loco?
[12:18] <mvuelma> It was the case of ubuntu-br-rs.
[12:19] <mvuelma> Yes, we are a sub-loco.
[12:19] <IdleOne> has the -rs team held any events?
[12:20] <mvuelma> As I have been promoting a series of events since last year here in my region, we change the vision of our group and we have several new members.
[12:20] <mvuelma> Right now, we are an active group again.
[12:21] <mvuelma> and we already have a schedule of events and activities for next year
[12:21] <IdleOne> link please
[12:22] <mvuelma> Sorry, not published yet.
[12:22] <IdleOne> what about past events, any blog posts you can link?
[12:22] <head_victim> Can you explain the events you've run recently and your involvement in them. We're trying to get a feel for the size and the content of them.
[12:23] <cyphermox> there are some posts on the mailing list for ubuntu-br-rs; I'm trying to read it with my limited understanding of portugese :)
[12:23] <cyphermox> #link https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-br-rs/
[12:23] <mvuelma> May this link be in Portuguese?
[12:23] <cyphermox> mvuelma: of course
[12:24] <head_victim> I love chromium's google translate stuff, makes multi lingual issues disappear. Until it doesn't quite get it right.
[12:25] <mvuelma> This event occurs every year in my region, and this year was led entirely by me: http://www.ubuntubrsc.com/grupo-de-usuarios-do-ubuntu-br-marcou-presenca-no-fisl-13.html
[12:25] <destine> head_victim, nice to have learned spanish, which makes Portuguese easier.
[12:26] <head_victim> Ah I'm boring, english only here (even then some say I've barely conquered that)
[12:26] <mvuelma> It's the largest free software event in Latin America and was attended by over 7000 participants.
[12:26] <licio> Marta is a key member of ubuntu-br community, she has been supporting the team on the major conferences in Brazil
[12:27] <head_victim> licio: thanks for that
[12:27] <head_victim> mvuelma: reading the link now, seems perfect :)
[12:27] <IdleOne> Anybody else here to cheer for mvuelma ?
[12:27] <mvuelma> head_victim, thank you.
[12:27] <IdleOne> Now is the time folks :)
[12:28] <licio> Also, the guys from ubuntu-br-sc have a hangout on air every friday and she and Ursinha are always there to answers public questions ;)
[12:29] <licio> IdleOne, bad brazilian time :/ 10am. some are sleeping and the rest are working :(
[12:29] <head_victim> mvuelma: thanks for that link, are there any more? (Just asking, I like reading about what other locos are doing)
[12:30] <mvuelma> head_victim, yes, you may check this one: http://martavuelma.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/balanco-do-flisol-2012/
[12:30] <licio> head_victim, more in the plus page https://plus.google.com/+Ubuntu-BR-SC/posts
[12:31] <mvuelma> Flisol is a "Install Fest" event.
[12:31] <mvuelma> held in several cities in Latin America simultaneously
[12:31] <head_victim> I ran one here last year but was only able to get 20 or so along, your photos put that to shame.
[12:33] <cyphermox> #vote Marta Vuelma to join Ubuntu Members
[12:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: Marta Vuelma to join Ubuntu Members
[12:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[12:33] <IdleOne> +1
[12:33] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[12:33] <cyphermox> +1
[12:33] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[12:34] <head_victim> +1 Keep up the great work with the loco
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 Keep up the great work with the loco received from head_victim
[12:34] <destine> +1
[12:34] <meetingology> +1 received from destine
[12:34] <cyphermox> #endvote
[12:34] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Marta Vuelma to join Ubuntu Members
[12:34] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:34] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:34] <IdleOne> Congrats mvuelma and welcome :)
[12:34] <destine> mvuelma, congrats!
[12:34] <cyphermox> mvuelma: congrats!
[12:34] <tiagoscd> mvuelma congrats :)
[12:34] <mvuelma> Thank you everyone!
[12:34] <cyphermox> please, add your blog to planet.ubuntu.com when you have a chance ;)
[12:34]  * Ursula cheers
[12:35] <NikTh> Congrats mvuelma  :)
[12:35] <mvuelma> I am very happy with this recognition.
[12:35] <mvuelma> cyphermox, I'll do that.
[12:35] <head_victim> mvuelma: good work doing what you have, the challenge is to keep it going into the future :)
[12:35] <mvuelma> head_victim, certainly, this is the challenge
[12:36] <mvuelma> head_victim, and let's make this challenge a reality
[12:36] <cyphermox> I don't think we have other applicants, so unless there is other business to discuss, I'll end the meeting.
[12:37] <head_victim> cyphermox: none other listed on the wiki
[12:37] <cyphermox> great!
[12:37] <head_victim> Should we formalise the mailing list conversation abotu going to monthly?
[12:37] <tiagoscd> mvuelma is making a great job at brazilian community
[12:37] <cyphermox> there was such a conversation?
[12:37]  * cyphermox fails at reading email
[12:38] <head_victim> Perhaps it was in the channel
[12:38] <head_victim> Hmm
[12:38] <head_victim> tiagoscd: yes, she is doing great work
[12:38] <cyphermox> well, if it was on IRC, we should definitely take it to the mailing list and make sure the CC knows about it, at least
[12:38] <tiagoscd> head_victim, I'm sad because I've no time to make a testimonial for her
[12:38] <cyphermox> tiagoscd: chiming in here is just as good :)
[12:39] <licio> mvuelma, congrats! well deserved!
[12:39] <head_victim> tiagoscd: don't be sad, her application was successful!
[12:39] <mvuelma> licio, thank you so much!
[12:40] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[12:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 12:40:02 2012 UTC.
[12:40] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-24-12.04.moin.txt
[12:40] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-24-12.04.html
[14:59]  * slangasek waves
[14:59] <jodh> o/
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Oct 24 15:02:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:03] <slangasek> bdmurray xnox slangasek doko jodh stgraber stokachu barry cjwatson ogra ev infinity
[15:03] <bdmurray> bug review of update-manager / ubuntu-release-upgrader bug reports
[15:03] <bdmurray> analysis and testing of bug 346386 / bug 24061
[15:03] <bdmurray> wrote a new test case for bug 346386
[15:03] <bdmurray> wrote a test case for ubuntu-release-upgarder bug 1065806
[15:03] <bdmurray> quantal-proposed upload for ubuntu-release-upgrader bugs 1070043, 1065806
[15:04] <bdmurray> quantal-proposed upload for apport bug 1039220
[15:04] <bdmurray> precise-proposed upload for apport-symptoms bug 1070542
[15:04] <bdmurray> sru verification of apt bug 346386, 1050779, 1050791
[15:04] <bdmurray> sru verification of apport bug 1050853
[15:04] <bdmurray> sru verification of coreutils bug 1038468
[15:04]  * mvo hugs bdmurray
[15:04] <bdmurray> sru verification of update-notifier bug 946718
[15:04] <bdmurray> sru verification of ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1068389
[15:04] <bdmurray> test case creation for apt bug 1065429
[15:04] <bdmurray> reported ubuntu-release-upgrader bugs 1067542, 1067393, 1068874
[15:04] <bdmurray> tested vmware player 5 installer in quantal
[15:04] <bdmurray> release noted bug 993056
[15:04] <bdmurray> setup rls-r-tracking reports on cranberry
[15:05] <bdmurray> ⌁ done ⌁
[15:05] <xnox> * Quantal Released. Yeah!
[15:05] <xnox> * Did merges (see lp:~xnox/*/r-proposed, mostly partman-* and related
[15:05] <xnox>   packages). Still some todo.
[15:05] <xnox> * Staging ubiquity bugfixes in lp:~xnox/ubiquity/r-proposed
[15:05] <xnox> * Helping with python3.3 transition at the archive opening
[15:05] <xnox> * Added ubiquity slide decks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/SlideDecks to
[15:05] <xnox>   unblock design team on changes to installer.
[15:05] <xnox> ..
[15:05]  * xnox also started py3.3 by default ppa
[15:06] <slangasek> xnox: mm?  I thought that was already in hand (barry)
[15:06] <doko> he's at a conf today
[15:07] <slangasek> yes
[15:07] <xnox> me and doko finished up rebuilding public modules yesterday. and we'd rather get it done earlier than later.
[15:07] <slangasek> ok
[15:07]  * xnox has nasty python bugs for barry =)
[15:08] <infinity> slangasek: You're up. :P
[15:08] <slangasek>  * Secure Boot follow-through: getting support for efi variable writing, efifb quirking
[15:08] <slangasek>  * UDS prep
[15:08] <slangasek>  * debugging heat issues on my laptop in quantal
[15:08] <slangasek>  * preliminary look at fixing cross-bootstrapping issues in raring (http://people.linaro.org/~wookey/buildd/quantal/sbuild-ma/status.html)
[15:08] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <doko> - quantal: two last java ftbfs for the release
[15:09] <doko> - gcc multiarching: libgfortran-dev split & cross fixes
[15:09] <doko> - gcc x32: gcc bits are ready, blocked on eglibc for further testing
[15:09] <doko> - gcc aarch64: integrated fixes
[15:09] <doko> - gcc upstream: armhf-triplet patches upstreamed, fixed libgo ftbfs on trunk
[15:09] <doko> - binutils update to 2.23 just to find out that the upstream release is incomplete
[15:10] <doko> - raring opening: binutils & gcc bits in place, waiting for kernel headers 3.7 (not anymore for the opening), and eglibc ...
[15:10] <doko> - raring opening: python3.3 is supported, most extension modules are built for 3.3, bug fixes and no change uploads.  test rebuild can start now
[15:10] <doko> - finished openjdk security updates (not yet published)
[15:10] <doko> (done)
[15:10] <jodh> * misc: on holiday yesterday.
[15:10] <jodh> * upstart:
[15:10] <jodh>   - Fixed bug 1049820 and bug 888910.
[15:10] <jodh>   - Added new test for stateful re-exec.
[15:10] <jodh>   - Currently chasing down a test race issue.
[15:10] <jodh> * TODO:
[15:10] <jodh>   - get stateful-reexec into raring.
[15:10] <jodh>   - blueprints and UDS planning.
[15:10] <jodh> ⃕
[15:11] <stgraber>  - On vacation Friday, Monday and Tuesday
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Release
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Released Ubuntu 12.10
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Networking
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Went through the bug reports, prepared some uploads for when raring opens
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Container
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Reviewed a few branches, fixed a bunch of upstream bugs, next upstream daily build should be good
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Installer
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Did some tests on the preseed generator script. Mostly working, need to check if I can do something
[15:11] <stgraber>     about the remaining keys easily. Will be uploaded as part of installation-report in raring.
[15:11] <stgraber>  - UDS
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Submitted usual networking session
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Planned session on making dist upgrade a bit more reliable (especially lts-to-lts)
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Going through notes to figure out if there's something else than should be discussed at UDS
[15:11] <stgraber>  - TODO
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Some more UDS preps
[15:11] <stgraber>   - The usual merges
[15:11] <stgraber>   - Push all lxc fixes to a bugfix branch so 0.8 can finally be released
[15:11] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:12] <stokachu> Nothing on fire at the moment, requested a backport for pbuilder-scripts in precise, still working on appmenu-gtk multiarch solution. done.
[15:13] <infinity> cjwatson: I think we're barryless.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Spent all week working on raring-proposed -> raring auto-migration, both the migration code itself ("britney") and the necessary Launchpad patches.  I'm currently waiting for one LP database patch to be deployed, and then for an LP code patch to be reviewed, landed, and deployed; after that we should be able to turn this all on, open raring, and start auto-syncs.
[15:13] <cjwatson> ..
[15:13] <slangasek> ogra_:
[15:13] <cjwatson> (Oh, for clarity, those patches are the ones that forcibly redirect all uploads to -proposed.)
[15:14] <ogra_> done:
[15:14] <ogra_>  * internal project work, to be presented at UDS
[15:14] <ogra_>  * registered some specs
[15:14] <ogra_> todo:
[15:14] <ogra_>  * go to UDS, flesh out the spec content
[15:14] <ogra_>  * test multiarch cross compiling
[15:14] <ogra_> ..
[15:14] <ev> - Spending most of my time on my UDS plenary.
[15:14] <ev> - We discovered that our current calculation for average errors per calendar
[15:14] <ev>   day (number of errors / unique users in the past 90 days) is incorrect. We
[15:14] <ev>   have good reason to believe that it is what caused the large spike around
[15:14] <ev>   release in the 12.10 graph:
[15:14] <ev>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1069827
[15:14] <ev>   We've been working on a fix for this. I implemented an early solution, but
[15:14] <ev>   we found out again that is was wrong. We'll be taking this to canonical-tech
[15:14] <ev>   and http://stats.stackexchange.com.
[15:14] <ev> - Fixed a number of small issues in http://errors.ubuntu.com. We now identify
[15:14] <ev>   private bugs rather than treating them as regressions.
[15:14] <ev> - Fixed some issues in the juju deployment code for the entire whoopsie daisy
[15:14] <ev>   project. Discussions with juju people on how to best represent the
[15:14] <ev>   schema creation dependency that the retracers have on the main daisy
[15:14] <ev>   instance.
[15:14] <ev> (done)
[15:15] <infinity> Last week:
[15:15] <infinity>  - Released a new version of some operating system or other
[15:15] <infinity>  - Worked on the opening of raring
[15:15] <infinity>  - Several merges, bug fixes, and SRUs relating to the opening
[15:15] <infinity>  - Worked on eglibc 2.16 4-way merge between Debian, Ubuntu, schepler, and wookey
[15:15] <infinity>  - Discussed glibc 2.17 roadmap with upstream
[15:15] <infinity>  - Meetings, meetings, and more meetings
[15:15] <infinity>  - Spent some time cursing at bug 997359 (jodh: Can we get this fixed?)
[15:15] <infinity> This week:
[15:15] <infinity>  - Finish up eglibc 2.16, including making future merges much less effort
[15:15] <infinity>  - Revisit kernel cleanup, time permitting
[15:15] <infinity>  - Do some pre-UDS prep and blueprinty things
[15:15] <infinity>  - UDS
[15:15] <infinity> ☭
[15:15] <doko> finished? don't see it
[15:15] <jodh> infinity: I'm waiting for feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/libnih/+bug/997359/comments/2 :)
[15:15] <cjwatson> I think "this week" is a to-do
[15:16] <infinity> jodh: I realise there's a "rebootstrap nih/glibc every time" workaround for the above, but it would be lovely to just fix it.
[15:16] <slangasek> infinity: do you expect 2.16 to land this week?
[15:16] <infinity> slangasek: Yeahp.
[15:16] <slangasek> ok cool
[15:16] <cjwatson> You have until, uh, not quite sure if you want it before britney's all ready.
[15:17] <cjwatson> Probably Friday by this point (which is a bit unfortunate since I'm meant to be on holiday).
[15:17] <cjwatson> Might end up turning it on from the hotel :)
[15:17] <infinity> A pre-UDS one day rest?
[15:17] <infinity> Oh crap, it's almost the end of the year.  I should take a holiday sometime too.
[15:17] <cjwatson> My family'll be with me so hacking time a bit limited.  We'll see.
[15:18] <infinity> La la la.
[15:18] <slangasek> infinity: APPROVED
[15:18]  * slangasek whistles and runs away
[15:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:18] <ogra_> infinity, heh, me too
[15:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: I guess we might be in a weird spot for this since raring has no new bugs and we're not putting as much effort into quantal SRUs... but any that you think we need to fix though?
[15:19] <infinity> jodh: Your maybe in comment #2 is a bit vague, but without digging into it further, I say "yes, that would be lovely". :P
[15:20] <xnox> Hmm.... we will have 12.04.2 on the New Years Eve.
[15:20] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, not yet.  however I've been trying to verify the fix for bug 1066445 so that the apt sru which fixes bug 346386 can be released.
[15:21] <bdmurray> I've had no luck getting the failure in bug 1066445 though
[15:21] <cjwatson> xnox: 31 Jan, not 31 Dec :-)
[15:21] <slangasek> that's the one that cjwatson suggested randomly permuting the cache size on, yes?
[15:21] <bdmurray> right, I've tried much smaller cache sizes
[15:21] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's probably a right pig to reproduce if you're unlucky
[15:22] <xnox> cjwatson: Oh good =)
[15:22] <infinity> Trying to reproduce on precise?
[15:22] <cjwatson> If it helps, you can use 'apt-cache gencaches' rather than 'apt-get update' (after the first time), which will be a lot faster since it doesn't download anything
[15:22] <bdmurray> would regression testing, dist-upgrades with the -proposed apt, be sufficient?
[15:22] <bdmurray> infinity: yes on precise
[15:22] <slangasek> yeah, I'm kinda thinking we should just call it good with the regression test
[15:23] <cjwatson> I suspect regression testing may be all we can realistically get, in the absence of a deliberately malicious fuzzer tool
[15:23] <slangasek> especially if we're pushing another apt SRU right behind it, the impact on users of having an extra SRU is minimal
[15:23] <cjwatson> Which arguably might be a good idea given the nature of this code
[15:23] <cjwatson> But it's not something we can knock together quickly
[15:24] <cjwatson> Unfortunately we don't have a /var/lib/apt/ tarball from that bug, otherwise reproduction would be a matter of dropping that in place and running 'apt-cache gencaches'
[15:25] <bdmurray> okay, I'll do one more test with apt from -proposed and then comment on the bug and tag it v-done
[15:25] <slangasek> sounds good
[15:25] <cjwatson> Do make sure you're testing on amd64
[15:26] <cjwatson> slangasek: BTW, the reason it's more likely when upgrading to quantal than when upgrading within precise is bigger Packages files with more Multi-Arch entries
[15:26] <bdmurray> I am - is that mentioned in the bug at all?
[15:26]  * infinity just tried i386 and amd64 and failed to reproduce.
[15:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: fun
[15:26] <cjwatson> bdmurray: No, but it only bit amd64 originally
[15:26] <jodh> I wonder if bug 1016040 might have indirectly fixed bug 1066445?
[15:27] <cjwatson> jodh: Not that way round
[15:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: is that everything?
[15:28] <bdmurray> slangasek: that is all I have for today
[15:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[15:28] <slangasek> [TOPIC] UDS
[15:28] <slangasek> blueprints
[15:29] <slangasek> anything that you expect to have a session on at UDS, get your blueprint registered and proposed for uds-r by *tomorrow*
[15:29] <slangasek> and *before* Monday, I want everyone to have gone through the schedule and subscribed themselves to the sessions they plan to attend
[15:30] <slangasek> for any session that you would ask to have moved to work around a conflict, you should be marking yourself "participation essential"
[15:30] <slangasek> I do not want you coming to me during the week and asking to move sessions because of a conflict - *tell the system* that it's a conflict and let the auto-scheduler do its job, please :)
[15:31] <cjwatson> jodh: So - I suppose it's possible, but I think it's relatively unlikely as my observations while debugging 1066445 were that it tended to crash immediately
[15:31] <slangasek> (ok, if you only find out during the week that you have to be at two sessions at once, come to me all the same - but don't let this happen for things you should know about in advance)
[15:31] <slangasek> clear?
[15:32] <ogra_> slangasek, what if we bribe you with lots of beer for it ?
[15:32]  * infinity gets the impression that slangasek feels strongly about this topic.
[15:32] <ogra_> dont work ?
[15:32] <ogra_> :)
[15:32] <cjwatson> jodh: It seems unlikely since the crash was due to dereferencing a pointer into memory that had only *just* been deallocated - I don't think there's any way it could end up overwriting a stat buffer or similar
[15:33] <slangasek> ogra_: my fee for moving sessions during the week is that I will look at you with an evil eye
[15:33] <slangasek> this is a flat rate and not subject to negotiation
[15:33] <ogra_> hahaha
[15:33] <ogra_> k
[15:33] <slangasek> also of note:
[15:33] <infinity> slangasek: Your evil eye tends to be accompanied with a friendly smile, it's rather confusing.
[15:33] <slangasek> this time around we're trying something different in terms of session types
[15:33] <ogra_> infinity, thats what makes it so scary
[15:34] <slangasek> in addition to blueprint sessions, we can also have workshop sessions
[15:34] <slangasek> (workshop/hacking sessions)
[15:34] <ogra_> sweet !
[15:34] <slangasek> and also, presentation sessions
[15:34] <slangasek> SO
[15:34]  * xnox thinks the laser strength shooting from the evil eye will vary in kW
[15:34]  * ogra_ fells like rolled back 6 years
[15:34] <ogra_> *before* we started scheduling everything madly
[15:34] <slangasek> for the first one, if you're being asked for blueprints to be added to UDS for the umpteenth time, and are thinking "we don't need another session on that, we just need to sit down and DO it"
[15:35] <slangasek> - then there's a possibility of doing just that.  Let me know and we'll see if scheduling a workshop session instead of a blueprint session makes sense.
[15:35] <infinity> Is there a way to represent that in the LP UI?
[15:35] <infinity> Like, a blueprintless blueprint? :P
[15:36] <infinity> Or do we need to ask someone (like you) to schedule a workshoppy thing?
[15:36] <ogra_> informational ?
[15:36] <infinity> ogra_: Informational would seem to map better to the presentation sessions.
[15:36] <ogra_> indeed
[15:36] <slangasek> and for the second one, if there are topics that you think it would be useful to share with the larger Ubuntu community - like something you'd really like to give as a plenary but there wasn't a slot for - feel free to propose a presentation session
[15:36] <ogra_> but could be abused for it
[15:36] <stgraber> slangasek: is summit actually still reading the participation essential bit from LP? the UI suggests that it only uses LP to check if you want to attend and that you need to poke the track lead to be marked as essential (the UI says "If you feel that your participation is required for this topic, please contact Steve Langasek..."). Not that I have any conflict at the moment, just found it a bit confusing...
[15:36] <slangasek> infinity: you ask a track lead to add it
[15:36] <infinity> slangasek: Check.
[15:37] <slangasek> stgraber: I'm not sure; the summit UI is showing ALL subscribers to ALL sessions with a star.  I'll look into that today and get back to you
[15:37] <infinity> We could nick higlight cjohnston intentionally for once, and ask him.
[15:38] <slangasek> stgraber: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/attendee_review/21047/foundations-r-prior-release-feedback/ appears to reflect the blueprint P.E. status
[15:38] <infinity> Though he's probably so fed up with people actually wanting cjwatson that he no longer responds.
[15:38] <cjwatson> It happens both ways round ...
[15:39] <stgraber> slangasek: ok. I also got one case where I had to manually subscribe on summit as even though I was subscribed on LP it wouldn't show it on summit. But as I said, no conflict so far, so I'll start pinging people if a conflict shows up...
[15:39] <slangasek> stgraber: so there appears to be an additional flippy bit that I have access to, to make people "required" as opposed to "very interested in attending"
[15:39] <slangasek> but I'm hoping they aren't making me set that for every single person who's required to be in a session, because that would be horrid and non-scalable
[15:40] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:40] <slangasek> any other topics burning a hole in the pockets of your minds?
[15:40] <infinity> slangasek: Ugh.  So, essential isn't actually essential?
[15:41] <infinity> "Please mark me super-duper-essential"?
[15:41] <slangasek> infinity: I don't know.  There's a perception on the part of other track leads that the launchpad field has been abused by people who aren't essential, which has never been my experience
[15:41] <slangasek> so it may be that the scheduler has two different levels now
[15:41] <slangasek> "try to schedule around this person" vs "require this person"
[15:41] <doko> so do we open the archive in any case tomorrow?
[15:42] <doko> regardless of any missing stuff?
[15:42] <slangasek> I'll try to get clarification.  But needless to say, I'm not going to go through by hand and edit status fields one by one for every one of you on summit. :P
[15:42] <cjwatson> doko: I don't think the "force everything into -proposed" stuff is going to have quite landed by then
[15:42] <infinity> slangasek: But that sounds like oodles of fun.  OODLES.
[15:42] <cjwatson> And we're so close by now, and that will make so much difference, that I'm not willing to open without that at this point
[15:43] <doko> ahh, ok.
[15:43] <cjwatson> My database patch is second in the queue, so that won't land until at least tomorrow morning (if I'm lucky)
[15:43] <doko> cjwatson, do you expect to happen his during UDS?
[15:43] <cjwatson> My code patch hasn't yet been completely reviewed, although I've had some comments
[15:44] <cjwatson> Then it needs to go through EC2 (~4 hours, strictly after the DB patch lands), buildbot (~40 mins), QA (not too arduous), and be deployed
[15:44] <cjwatson> Subject to review, it should be possible to get it all done before UDS
[15:44] <infinity> cjwatson: ndt or fdt?
[15:45] <cjwatson> infinity: fdt for the db patch, ndt for code
[15:45] <cjwatson> [fastdowntime / nodowntime]
[15:45] <infinity> Yeah, Friday sounds reasonable then.
[15:45] <doko> ok, I think, I'll send an email about when to expect the opening. will send you the draft
[15:46] <cjwatson> I thought I kind of covered that with my -devel mail earlier
[15:46] <cjwatson> But as you like
[15:48] <slangasek> ok - anything else?
[15:50] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 15:50:20 2012 UTC.
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-24-15.02.moin.txt
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-24-15.02.html
[15:50] <slangasek> the end
[15:50] <slangasek> thanks all
[15:50] <ogra_> thanks slangasek !
[15:50] <xnox> cheers.
[15:50]  * ogra_ finally starts the break he tires to have since 9h
[15:50] <ev> thanks!
[15:50] <infinity> ogra_: That'll be one hell of a tasty coffee.
[15:51] <infinity> ogra_: Or awfully stale, if you brewed it 9h ago.
[15:51] <ogra_> haha
[15:51] <ogra_> no, i dont count making coffee as break
[15:51] <ogra_> its a button press and 30sec waiting
[15:52] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:52] <ogra_> its just that every time i tried to start that break something occured that didnt let me leave my desktop
[15:53]  * cjwatson sends ogra_ some really good kitten pictures
[16:03] <cjohnston> infinity: that doesn't sound like much fun, but whats up
[16:04] <infinity> cjohnston: Hah.  A bit late.  We were just ruminating about how marking people essential to sessions does or doesn't work these days.
[16:05] <infinity> cjohnston: slangasek seems to have discovered that it doesn't DTRT without individually setting a "no, I really mean it" flag, which is pretty unscalable.
[16:05] <cjohnston> I know.. was trying to get out the door.for the airport
[16:06] <cjohnston> agreed.. but so was allowing everyone to mark required as they want
[16:06] <bootlkjkgf> http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt71/Pittsburghistan/xb9yt0jpg-1.gif
[16:08] <cjohnston> we need a better algorithm for scheduling
[16:21] <ogra_> cjwatson, LOL !


[04:14] <r2d2rogers> I'm waiting to see if I'm moving before I renew my membership on the launchpad team
[04:16] <Robdgreat> ahh
[04:16] <Robdgreat> we were wondering
[04:19] <r2d2rogers> oh?
[04:19] <r2d2rogers> saw me expire?
[04:19] <Robdgreat> Wes did


[05:24] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:28] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:29] <Kilos> koud ne
[05:33] <mazal> Bibberend
[05:56] <Kilos> hi inetpro nlsthzn paddatrapper theblazehen skokkk et al
[06:23] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> deegee where are you now, and hows things going
[07:09] <chesedo> morning Kilos mazal theblazehen and others
[07:09] <theblazehen> hi chesedo
[07:14] <mazal> Mornings
[07:17] <theblazehen> hey mazal. How's things?
[07:18] <mazal> ok thanx and you theblazehen ?
[07:19] <theblazehen> I'm fine thanks mazal
[07:21] <nlsthzn> sup all...
[07:38] <inetpro> goeiemore
[07:40] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[07:40] <Kilos> goeie more inetpro
[07:41] <Kilos> dinge amper in plek sodat jy wiki can edit
[07:41] <inetpro> is it midweek already?
[07:41] <Kilos> ya wednesday
[07:42] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:42] <Kilos> wbb
[07:42] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[07:42] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[08:04] <mazal> Man I am having a "flat" week.
[08:05] <mazal> Feels like the batteries just aint there
[08:20] <theblazehen> mazal: That sucks..
[08:20] <theblazehen> hey nlsthzn, inetpro
[08:22] <Kilos> old age
[08:27]  * mazal glares at Kilos
[08:27] <mazal> Is from not gaming enough I am sure
[08:27] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <mazal> And oom keeping me up late with meeting :P
[08:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:49] <Kilos> at least you have someone to blame
[08:49] <Kilos> i blame inetpro for everything
[09:07] <theblazehen> hey tahaan
[09:17] <Kilos> hi tahaan ambo_ Sxuza aquarat
[09:17] <Kilos> oops
[09:26] <tahaan> Hello all
[09:27] <mazal> hi
[09:27] <tahaan> I'm going back to 14.04
[09:27] <mazal> I'd rather not say what I'm concidering , oom Kilos will kill me
[09:27] <mazal> Oh too late , he left
[09:57] <Kilos> 14.04 is rock stable
[09:59] <Kilos> mazal not back to win
[09:59] <Kilos> i will kill you
[10:00] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[10:01] <mazal> Ek's honger
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch
[10:01] <Maaz> mazal: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[10:01] <mazal> ooooo , nice idea , with russians
[10:01] <Kilos> nee man
[10:01] <mazal> Why not ?
[10:01] <Kilos> weet jy nie wat chippies is nie
[10:01] <mazal> Slap chips
[10:02] <Kilos> chippies is picled onions
[10:02] <mazal> Oh hell noooooooooooooooo
[10:02] <Kilos> die beste van al die make
[10:02] <mazal> maaz bad idea
[10:02] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[10:02] <Kilos> baie lekker met bacon kips
[10:03] <Kilos> of enige sout coekies
[10:03] <Kilos> maar vis en chips is goed vir lunch
[10:03] <Kilos> chesedo ?
[10:07] <chesedo> Kilos ?
[10:07] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20160628
[10:08] <chesedo> 'immutable page'
[10:08] <Kilos> tick on it
[10:09] <chesedo> Tick?
[10:09] <Kilos> or check more actions
[10:09] <Kilos> i forget how to get there
[10:09] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[10:10]  * chesedo does nor have a touch screen :P
[10:10] <chesedo> Kilos: edit mode?
[10:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:13] <Kilos> you not on pc chesedo ?
[10:15] <mazal> Feedback for what it's worth , if I go in there I have an edit option. ( if that is what you guys tried to fix )
[10:15] <Kilos> i forget what you gotta do to change from immutable to edit
[10:15] <Kilos> yes mazal
[10:16] <mazal> I just logged in with my openid
[10:16] <Kilos> wat maak chesedo
[10:16] <mazal> If not logged in then it's immutable for me
[10:16] <Kilos> oh yes you gotta login
[10:17]  * chesedo will be at pc soon, but am sure he was/is logged in
[10:18] <Kilos> ok
[10:20] <chesedo> yip am logged in -> http://pasteboard.co/1brw7z8L.png
[10:28] <Kilos> inetpro fixit
[10:29] <Kilos> i think i ticked on immutable page or other options to get it going back then when i was young
[10:34] <Langjan> Goeiemore Kilos did you have a good meeting?
[10:34] <Langjan> Hi guys
[10:34] <Kilos> yes ty Langjan
[10:34] <Langjan> Good
[10:34] <Langjan> Did you write to the Aussie?
[10:34] <Kilos> not yet
[10:35] <Kilos> go pm
[10:35] <Langjan> ai
[10:35] <Langjan> go pm?
[10:35] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> private message ooom
[10:42] <Kilos> wat het jy gebreek Langjan
[10:42] <Langjan> I tried to install her husband's HP printer, thinking the network should pick it up but it doesn't
[10:43] <Kilos> clever guys can help with that
[10:43] <Langjan> Thats why I asked you
[10:43] <Kilos> ive seen then sort it
[10:43] <Kilos> nee man
[10:43] <Kilos> kyk my epos adres
[10:43] <Langjan> 'n liegadres
[10:44] <Kilos> haha
[10:44] <Langjan> seker vir sekuriteit, slim!
[10:44] <Kilos> mazal what experience with printers and ubuntu
[10:44] <Kilos> ubuntu and hp are friendly to each other i think
[10:45] <Langjan> is he online?
[10:45] <Langjan> Mine is fine
[10:45] <Kilos> who?
[10:45] <Langjan> hp/ubuntu
[10:45] <Langjan> mazal,
[10:45] <Kilos> where is the printer
[10:45] <Kilos> he is afk atm
[10:45] <Kilos> haha
[10:46] <Kilos> maybe working for a change
[10:46] <Langjan> its by her hubbies desktop, linked via desktop switch
[10:46] <Langjan> afk atm?
[10:46] <Kilos> away from key board at the moment
[10:46] <Kilos> so now
[10:47] <Langjan> is that what faint name shows?
[10:47] <Kilos> who cant see the printer
[10:47] <Kilos> yes
[10:47] <Langjan> susan's machine
[10:47] <Kilos> theblazehen help
[10:48] <Kilos> Langjan just dont listen if he says install fedora
[10:49] <Kilos> but he should be able to help
[10:49] <Kilos> he is a clever kid
[10:49] <Langjan> My adsl router is cable-connected to desktop switch in their home from where they are both connected
[10:50] <Kilos> so her ub untu cant see it on the switch right there by them
[10:51] <Langjan> and the printer is connected to his win xp system
[10:51] <Kilos> ai!
[10:51] <Langjan> well I tried to find it but no success
[10:52] <Kilos> win needs to share it i think
[10:52] <Langjan> tried via hp-install and hplip
[10:52] <Langjan> I checked the settings, it seems ok to share printers
[10:52] <Kilos> im right saying you need to go through xp to see the printer ?
[10:53] <Langjan> yes
[10:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:53] <Kilos> hang around for someone with that kinda experience
[10:54] <Langjan> ok thks
[10:54] <Kilos> you can install remmina i think its called
[10:54] <Kilos> then
[10:54] <Kilos> haha
[10:54] <Kilos> she can take over his pc completely
[10:55] <Langjan> dont tell Juanita please
[10:55] <Kilos> lol
[10:57] <Langjan> I saw a neat hdd docking station this morning, the guy bought it for R370
[10:59] <Kilos> what is that
[11:00] <Kilos> like with severs with place for many drives?
[11:01] <Langjan> Connects to usb, then you can insert two sata hdd's
[11:01] <Kilos> ah
[11:05] <Langjan> Fedora was my very first intro to Linux
[11:05] <Kilos> then you woke up
[11:06] <Langjan> no went to kde before that
[11:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:06] <Langjan> lmga
[11:06] <Kilos> you should  be teaching me
[11:06] <Langjan> haha
[11:07] <Kilos> i tried centos
[11:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:07] <Kilos> no thanks
[11:07] <Langjan> never heard of it
[11:07] <Kilos> based in redhat i think
[11:08] <Kilos> many use it for servers
[11:08] <Langjan> Doesnt look too bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
[11:08] <Langjan> better than windoze
[11:08] <Kilos> of course
[11:08] <Kilos> but many are saying win 10 is great
[11:08] <Kilos> i wont even try
[11:09] <Langjan> horses for courses
[11:09] <Kilos> ja
[11:09] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[11:09] <Langjan> whats the closest linux distro to emulate win xp desktop ?
[11:09] <Langjan> OK chat later, eet lekker
[11:10] <Kilos> dankie
[11:22] <mazal> Langjan, when it comes to looks they say you can't get better than http://zorinos.com/
[11:22] <mazal> Based on Ubuntu but with modified de's that makes it look more like when , basically to make it easier for newcomers to linux
[11:23] <mazal> I never used it myself , but a friend mine says you can change the de look to be like XP or 7\
[11:23] <Langjan> Ok many thakns mazal
[11:34] <Kilos> mazal
[11:34] <Kilos> tell him how to share that printer man
[11:35] <Kilos> wb aquarat
[11:35] <Langjan> Lekker ge-eet Kilos? now its my turn
[11:35] <Kilos> hi anton_may
[11:36] <Kilos> enjoy
[11:36] <anton_may> ello
[11:36] <Langjan> hi anton_may
[11:37] <anton_may> Hi Langjan
[12:38] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:41] <anton_may> 0/
[13:03] <Langjan> hi magespawn and anton_may
[13:04] <Langjan> you there Kilos ?
[13:12] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[13:12] <magespawn> need to wake him up sometimes
[13:14] <Langjan> get him away from the sheep
[13:15] <Langjan> Guys, who is the networking geek?
[13:17] <magespawn> i can try help
[13:19] <Langjan> Thanks, I have connected a friend to my adsl via cable, on the other end connected 2 systems from a desktop switch, now trying to install their printer
[13:19] <Langjan> The printer is working on a win xp machine, the other is ubuntu 14.04
[13:20] <Langjan> I cannot see the printer from ubuntu, not via hp lip nor terminal hp-install
[13:24] <magespawn> is the printer shared on the xp machine?
[13:27] <Langjan> yes
[13:29] <magespawn> same network with the same ip address range?
[13:29] <superfly> Langjan: is this a network printer, or a printer attached to a computer?
[13:30] <Langjan> Thats where Im lost, how to get ip address. superfly it is only connected to the one computer
[13:31] <superfly> Langjan: a network printer connects directly to the network
[13:31] <superfly> if it's connected to a computer, it's not a network printer
[13:31] <magespawn> i assume that the printer works on the xp machine?
[13:31] <Langjan> thats what I was trying to confirm
[13:31] <Langjan> yes it does
[13:32] <superfly> Langjan: you have a network cable plugged into the printer?
[13:32] <Langjan> no, lmga
[13:32] <superfly> then it's not a network printer and hplip won't find it
[13:33] <Langjan> network cable from the switch?
[13:33] <superfly> yes
[13:33] <Langjan> so I need to connect a third network cable to the printer from the switch
[13:34] <superfly> Langjan: does the printer have a network port?
[13:34] <Langjan> Will have to check but I assume yes
[13:35] <Langjan> its a hp all-in-one 2050
[13:35] <Langjan> let me folow up on that and I will get back if I dont come right
[13:35] <Langjan> thanks guys
[13:38] <magespawn> np
[13:38] <magespawn> i don't think it is a network printer
[14:02] <Langjan> magespawn, you're quite right, theres no socket for a network cable
[14:02] <Langjan> Is there any other way around?
[14:11] <magespawn> if it has been shared from the windows machine then you should be able to connect to that share from the ubuntu machine
[14:17] <superfly> Langjan: you need to open your system settings, go to printers
[14:17] <superfly> Langjan: add a printer, and then select "Windows Printer via SAMBA"
[14:26] <Langjan> Many thanks superfly I will have to proceed tomorrow. Will let you know how things go.
[14:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:46] <Kilos> major ballie nap
[14:46] <Kilos> sorry guys
[15:35] <magespawn> chat later home time
[15:35] <Kilos> go safw
[15:35] <Kilos> ai!
[16:01] <chesedo> Kilos: i am able to edit the agendas now... just logged out and back in again
[16:06] <kulelu88> hey mates
[16:28] <Kilos> yay chesedo
[16:29] <Kilos> that means inetpro cant get out of doing some work
[16:29] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[16:30] <kulelu88> Kilos: why don't you apply for a remote job at canonical
[16:30] <kulelu88> chesedo: hows exams mate?
[16:32] <Kilos> kulelu88 dont add more
[16:32] <Kilos> and they are all clever peeps
[16:34] <kulelu88> you can do marketing/community work Kilos . you'll get paid
[16:34] <Kilos> getting paid is bad news
[16:34] <Kilos> then you cant mess up
[16:35] <Kilos> now only i fight with me
[16:36] <chesedo> hi kulelu88, great (am now 'off' till the 8th) ty... hows your todo going?
[16:41] <kulelu88> haven't worked on it for a while chesedo
[16:42] <kulelu88> when do you finish?
[16:42] <chesedo> kulelu88: 15th for this semester
[16:42] <kulelu88> you work also? chesedo
[16:44] <chesedo> kulelu88: hmm... try to create time between studies for freelance work
[16:44] <kulelu88> probably better to load up your github profile chesedo ;)
[16:46] <chesedo> kulelu88: yeah that too
[16:46]  * chesedo just started to spent his nights on the office suite that he wants to create
[16:47] <kulelu88> chesedo: what's your language of choice?
[16:47] <kulelu88> I would avoid a project as big as office software
[16:49] <chesedo> kulelu88: i am used to web devel (php, js, etc), but am trying to target ubuntu phones now (qt, c++, js, qml)
[16:50] <chesedo> kulelu88: might be a bit big, but it will focus on 'professionalism through simplicity'... only targeting text documents for now
[16:51] <kulelu88> no wonder the todo app is easy peezy for you chesedo :D
[16:51] <kulelu88> you trying to get a canonical job also? :D
[16:54] <chesedo> kulelu88: yeah, that was bit weird for me too... nope, just want a user app devel future and this is the start
[16:58] <kulelu88> chesedo: the main problem with the code now is that I need to find a replacement for the inlineedit.js, cause it's outdated
[16:59] <kulelu88> and I've adjusted the todo format, so I will refactor the "x" append
[16:59] <chesedo> kulelu88: i've used xEditable for a past project (though it might be too big for this)
[17:00] <kulelu88> this 1 here: https://vitalets.github.io/x-editable ?
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <Kilos> inetpro read your mail
[17:02] <chesedo> kulelu88: yip
[17:03] <kulelu88> I'll see if there are smaller options
[17:03] <kulelu88> but if I need that, well that's what I'll use
[17:11] <skokkk> Kilos, this meeting..
[17:12] <skokkk> I only got the email 2PM THIS AFTERNOON
[17:12] <skokkk> for yesterday's meeting :/
[17:30] <magespawn> good evening
[17:30] <Kilos> lol skokkk
[17:31] <Kilos> where did that mail get lost for a day
[17:33] <Kilos> so magespawn hows the new job so far?
[17:34] <Kilos> chesedo what was your original nick
[17:34] <Kilos> im sure i have you email addy saved under that nick
[17:35] <chesedo> Kilos: pieter2627
[17:35] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:38] <Kilos> no more nick changing
[17:40] <magespawn> Kilos: going well so far, getting a handle on it
[17:40] <Kilos> good
[17:41] <magespawn> got lost coming home last night, and the phone was flat, so had to wait while it charged
[17:41] <Kilos> eish for the gps to work
[17:41] <magespawn> i use my phone, but i have that sorted now
[17:41] <Kilos> i got lost many times in jozi
[17:42] <Kilos> terrible place
[17:42] <magespawn> it has been while since i drove it, but it is all coming back bitby bit
[17:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:43] <magespawn> nothing much changes really, taxis still drive like made, bmw dont have indicators
[17:43] <Kilos> and mercs own the right of way as well
[17:43] <magespawn> s/made/mad
[17:43] <magespawn> yup pretty much, altough most of them seem relaxed
[17:44] <Kilos> haha
[17:44] <Kilos> they have been taught by the taxis that they arent the most important peeps on the road
[17:47] <magespawn> they used to stay clear of my beetle, maybe i should get one of those again
[17:47] <Kilos> haha
[17:57] <inetpro> goos evening
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[17:57] <Kilos> goos evening to you too
[17:57] <Kilos> why what
[17:57] <kulelu88> magespawn: whats your new job?
[17:58] <Kilos> oh inetpro the new mattermost can work on irc i think it says
[17:59] <inetpro> then why are you not testing it?
[17:59] <Kilos> im waiting for you
[17:59] <Kilos> haha
[18:00] <Kilos> i went to mattermost in browser but i used it of the standard pc drive so dunno name and password i used here on the ssd
[18:01] <inetpro> click on forgot password
[18:01] <Kilos> i dont even know what mail i used man
[18:02] <inetpro> not like you have 10 addresses
[18:02] <inetpro> https://mattermost.popey.com/reset_password
[18:02] <Kilos> and there is something about a desktop app so i fetched the .deb but cant start it
[18:04] <magespawn> kulelu88: support at a fibre isp in jhb
[18:04] <Kilos> i have 5 i think, or maybe more, only 4 active
[18:06] <Kilos> oh my
[18:07] <Kilos> i found i still have mattermost in another browser
[18:09] <Kilos> but it also wants password
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <Kilos> oh inetpro you can edit wiki pages now hey, you should have read that a couple of times today
[18:10] <kulelu88> ooh support gig. that sounds painful magespawn
[18:13] <magespawn> kulelu88: not too bad so far, got one of the flagged customers today and that went
[18:13] <magespawn> most just learning my way around the systems
[18:14] <kulelu88> is it fibre ISP as in, you guys provide support for FTTH, or is it a company like Afrihost?
[18:19] <magespawn> ISP,so like afrihost,but only fibre and voip
[18:22] <kulelu88> ooh lekker, must be a startup type company
[18:24] <magespawn> about 5 years old, but yes very much like that, part of what attracted me
[18:24] <magespawn> that and they offered me a job first
[18:25] <kulelu88> Do they need someone to manage their servers remotely? :D
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:27] <magespawn> do not know, but i will keep my ear to the ground ;)
[18:27] <Kilos> such a quiet sneak in
[18:28] <magespawn> how do you even know Kilos?
[18:28] <Kilos> know what
[18:28] <magespawn> when superfly is here
[18:28] <Kilos> oh i see the afk go away
[18:28] <magespawn> ohh he is using /away and /back
[18:28] <magespawn> right
[18:29] <Kilos> i see the nick ungray
[18:29] <magespawn> indeed, irssi does not have that, so i forget about that
[18:29] <kulelu88> Kilos sees the enter and leave messages
[18:29] <Kilos> when we have many peeps here he is off the bottom of the screen and i miss seeing it then he mocks me
[18:29] <Kilos> no messages
[18:30] <magespawn> superfly is very rarely not here
[18:30] <Kilos> maybe i must try set that up
[18:30] <kulelu88> you don't need to. just adjust your settings to show enter/leave messages
[18:30] <Kilos> does that cover the afk things
[18:31] <Kilos> i see part/joins
[18:31] <Kilos> but away things not
[18:33] <Kilos> whatever happened to that guy that had me thinking he was a chick when i first joined here
[18:33] <Kilos> ive chased many away
[18:34] <kulelu88> did you guys cyber date for a while? Kilos :D
[18:34] <Kilos> no man
[18:35] <Kilos> when i joined here i said guys all the time
[18:35] <Kilos> then i said well i hope the ladies dont mind me calling them guys
[18:36] <Kilos> and he pmed me and said no its ok
[18:36] <Kilos> only later when i learned a bit more did i see he was a guy
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:37] <Kilos> i was really doff back then
[18:39] <Kilos> im sure half of you would have left
[18:41] <magespawn> nah was not that bad
[18:42] <inetpro> haha, it was magespawn
[18:42] <inetpro> ?
[18:42] <Kilos> we need to organise a flamewar again, then everyone flocks here
[18:43] <Kilos> yes it was bad
[18:43] <Kilos> thats why inetpro and superfly are so quiet nowadays
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:44] <Kilos> no what?
[18:45] <magespawn> it was me? really?
[18:46] <Kilos> no man magespawn he means it was that bad
[18:47] <Kilos> magespawn do you need to study for the new job
[18:47] <Kilos> any courses and stuff?
[18:48] <magespawn> no courses,those i do myself, just hit the ground running and learn by doing
[18:48] <kulelu88> inetpro: seems very moody these days. Het julle rol?
[18:48] <magespawn> plenty ofhelp around though
[18:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:49] <kulelu88> I bet it was vim vs. emacs argument
[18:49] <Kilos> he is getting old man
[18:49] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:49] <Kilos> i think he is the closest to me here
[18:50] <kulelu88> hoe oud? inetpro
[18:50] <Kilos> in the naughty years
[18:51] <Kilos> heading for the thrifty years
[18:51] <theblazehen> vim is best
[18:51] <Kilos> ne goosie
[18:51] <Kilos> ah theblazehen woke up
[18:51] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[18:51] <theblazehen> Work's been busy..
[18:52] <Kilos> did you have a busy day lad
[18:52] <theblazehen> Just saw that message, had to chime in :)
[18:52] <Kilos> busy is goofd
[18:52] <theblazehen> Still busy Oom
[18:52] <Kilos> good
[18:52] <Kilos> all you can do is your best lad
[18:52] <theblazehen> Yeah
[18:53] <kulelu88> you can tells Kilos is a durbanaartjie using 'lad' :D
[18:54] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <Kilos> i know laatie as well
[18:54] <magespawn> python vs any other programming language
[18:54] <magespawn> theblazehen: sublime?
[18:55] <magespawn> not exactly the same thing
[18:55] <Kilos> i wish this debconf would be over now
[18:55] <Kilos> ibids crying for attention
[18:56] <kulelu88> debconf is huge. oh wait, isn't it happening now?
[18:56] <Kilos> soon
[18:56] <Kilos> next mongth but all the preparation is taking years
[18:57] <theblazehen> magespawn: Sublime isn't too bad, but doesn't work over ssh (Okay, *technically*....)
[18:57] <theblazehen> And python
[18:59] <Kilos> inetpro the password rest doesnt send a mail
[19:00] <Kilos> i tried three times
[19:00] <kulelu88> theblazehen: what do you write in Python?
[19:02] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Mostly just scripts for doing stuff. Not any proper applications
[19:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:03] <theblazehen> https://gist.github.com/441108ba950bad91e73bd152696e8777 partially broken hangman solving script
[19:03] <kulelu88> scripting-wise, it's awesome
[19:03] <theblazehen> /usr/share/dict/words is the word list
[19:03] <theblazehen> Wanna fix it? ;)
[19:04] <kulelu88> i'll take a look in a few minutes
[19:06] <magespawn> theblazehen: the script solves hangman?
[19:06] <theblazehen> magespawn: Tries to
[19:06] <magespawn> ahh right
[19:06] <theblazehen> You can just copy paste in the letters part from hangman (6) too :)
[19:07] <Kilos> mattermost.popey.com/6667
[19:07] <Kilos> ai
[19:08] <Kilos> magespawn how did you point you irc client to mattermost
[19:08] <Kilos> i dont understand the pointing thing
[19:08] <kulelu88> add them to the network
[19:09] <kulelu88> is it a mattermost server?
[19:11] <magespawn> i followed the instructions in the mail i got forwarded from popey via Kilos
[19:12] <magespawn> in irssi i do /connect mattermost.popey.com
[19:12]  * theblazehen (and andrewlsd I think?) think we should have chosen mattermost over rocket.chat at work.. :(
[19:13] <kulelu88> oh mattermost the slack clone
[19:13] <Kilos> yes magespawn but what is meant by pointing the irc client to it
[19:13] <theblazehen> The mobile client for rocket.chat isn't that great :(
[19:14] <magespawn> the login for me was the email address
[19:14] <kulelu88> it means you must join their server
[19:15] <kulelu88> sounds like they're running a mattermost network
[19:15] <kulelu88> open a new server tab and type what magespawn said
[19:15] <magespawn> yes then you can see all the room etc in irssi rather than the browser
[19:16] <Kilos> [21:16] [481] Kilos Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator
[19:16] <Kilos> sigh
[19:16] <magespawn> thanks kulelu88 i forget that other  people have different clients
[19:17] <magespawn> what did you type Kilos ?
[19:17] <Kilos> that /connect one
[19:18] <Kilos> lemme try with new server
[19:18] <theblazehen> Kilos: Looks like your irc client sends the server CONNECT command
[19:18] <theblazehen> Try /server perhaps?
[19:18] <magespawn> thats it theblazehen, forgot that too
[19:19] <magespawn> that is how we got Kilos on atrium the other night
[19:21] <Kilos> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> too much
[19:24] <inetpro> it works with quassel
[19:24] <inetpro> I added a new network with host 'mattermost.popey.com' and port '6667'
[19:24] <inetpro> and then after connecting I simply executed '/msg mattermost login<EMAIL_ADDRESS>MyMattermostPassword'
[19:24] <Kilos> ok lemme try again
[19:25] <theblazehen2> hi.
[19:26] <theblazehen> theblazehen2: ack
[19:27] <theblazehen2> How
[19:27] <theblazehen> hmm
[19:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:27] <theblazehen> Was IRCing with telnet
[19:30] <kulelu88> theblazehen: where does the script break?
[19:30] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Doesn't break, but near the end it gets non-optimal guesses
[19:31] <kulelu88> example? theblazehen
[19:31] <theblazehen> like -ampl-, it would think that there is a 0 possibility of e (not sure if it thinks it's already tried that) or similar
[19:32] <kulelu88> so it will try a word like ampl?
[19:33] <theblazehen> hangman will ask for example, script will solve to -ampl-, but not guess the e
[19:33] <inetpro> "you can also use an ssl connection on port 6697"
[19:34] <kulelu88> are there any libs or bindings and is it python2? theblazehen
[19:34] <magespawn> theblazehen: telnet?
[19:35] <Kilos> too many channels now
[19:35] <theblazehen> inetpro: No thanks..
[19:35] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Python 2 yes, and no. Just that script and cop-paste to the hangman game from bsd-games
[19:36] <kulelu88> okay so it's using a legit game
[19:39] <kulelu88> I was going to attempt replicating the environment, but that could take hours
[19:40] <magespawn> i am off to bed, good night all
[19:41] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn
[19:41] <Kilos> i must crash as well
[19:41] <Kilos> 2 late nights the pro has inflicted on me
[19:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:46] <kulelu88> anybody still awake here?