[03:36] <pitti> Bonjour
[03:37] <stgraber> Morgen
[04:06] <Mirv> thumper: the .pc now in python-compizconfig will be removed from compiz-dev, so that'll get fixed as soon as we disturb someone with push rights to lp:ubuntu/compiz
[04:06] <Mirv> ideally though <IP_ADDRESS> will be ready today as well
[04:06] <thumper> Mirv: ok, but right now I can't do anything with my test laptop :(
[04:06] <thumper> Mirv: +1 for <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:08] <Mirv> thumper: depending on what you need, well most probably you compile unity of course, you could remove compiz-dev package temporarily
[04:11] <thumper> Mirv: my laptop is running as pure quantal as it can right now
[04:11] <thumper> don't think it has a currently built unity
[04:23] <Mirv> thumper: hmm, you mean you're not running staging PPA? there hasn't been an upload of compiz with the problematic python-compizconfig change
[04:59] <thumper> Mirv: oh perhaps it is the staging ppa
[04:59] <thumper> ah yes it is
[05:43] <didrocks> good morning
[05:45] <RAOF> didrocks: Good morning.
[05:48] <didrocks> hey RAOF :)
[05:48] <didrocks> how are you?
[05:48] <RAOF> Somewhat inexplicably tired.
[05:48] <RAOF> Also somewhat explicably tired :)
[05:48] <RAOF> Yourself?
[05:49] <RAOF> Also, I think we've got a candidate problem for all the crashes in libdbus: threading.
[05:51] <didrocks> oh? excellent!
[05:52] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks :)
[06:23] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, in all your tireness, do you think you can spend few minutes to update your WI and so spec status?
[06:23] <didrocks> like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-general, can we set it to "beta available"?
[06:59] <didrocks> pitti: the signon-ui issue should be fix with today's update btw
[06:59] <pitti>  didrocks: nice!
[06:59] <pitti> yay quantal
[07:04] <RAOF> didrocks: So I won't get kicked out of google services every 12 hours or so? :)
[07:05] <didrocks> RAOF: normally, you shouldn't :)
[07:37] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine! how was the mozilla week-end?
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, it was good thanks. but quite tiring :)
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: software-center tests currently fail, as they output to stderr
[08:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh, I can imagine :)
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-software-center/lastFailedBuild/ARCH=i386,label=albali/artifact/results/dsc0t-run-tests-stderr
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: could the test script either drop the set -x or do an exec 2>&1 before?
[08:15] <pitti> mvo: I guess it also needs to unset TMPDIR, as it cannot change user and then copy to the adt temp dir
[08:15] <pitti> jibel: ^ FYI
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, there was quite a few people from the french mozilla community there ;)
[08:21] <mvo> pitti: sure, doing that now - just to be clear my hack^Wworkaround for running as root is no longer needed?
[08:21] <didrocks> kinouchou was around, I guess I know at least 4 other people coming as well :)
[08:21] <pitti> mvo: not sure -- what was the workaround about?
[08:22] <pitti> mvo: I just unset TMPDIR in tests that involve multiple users, FWIW
[08:22] <mvo> pitti: su -lc ubuntu basic
[08:22] <mvo> ly
[08:22] <pitti> mvo: hm, depends -- I guess you would want the tests to run as non-root?
[08:22] <mvo> pitti: yes
[08:23] <pitti> otherwise you might have polkit permissions that normal users don't actually have
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: so I'd say keep the su for now
[08:23] <pitti> and do exec 2>&1 and "unset TMPDIR"
[08:23] <mvo> pitti: ok, I dropped the -x and unset TMPDIR now
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: danke!
[08:24] <mvo> pitti: thank you! I will upload soon(ish)
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, kinouchou is the person i've met at UDS too, isn't she? sorry, i'm terrible with names ;)
[08:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: right :)
[09:20] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, you are looking at the colord recent bugs btw? (I saw you have some assigned targeted for the release)
[09:21] <didrocks> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[09:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: btw, you have some on that list assigned to you as well, is it going to work for you? ^
[09:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: also, do you think you will have the time to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1014635? or should I put that on the not fixing list?
[09:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1014635 in firefox "Import Wizard has to be cancelled" [Low,Triaged]
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, does that one still exist? i have a feeling that was fallout from bug 1013186
[09:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1013186 in firefox "Ubuntu customizations aren't being used" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013186
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> might be worth asking the reporter if it still happens
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can you please do that and put all the tasks to incomplete?
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm trying to clean the list, it needed some love apparently :)
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> ok, commented now
[09:30] <didrocks> thanks
[09:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: and on the 2 others that are assigned to you? are they on track?
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i have a patch for one of those already. i need to send it upstream. i'll do that in a bit
[09:31] <didrocks> excellent, thanks chrisccoulson :)
[09:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: btw, you didn't notice anything on the "quick filtering is regularly collapsing"?
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, i didn't notice that. but then, i usually keep it collapsed anyway. i think i said i'd try keeping it open, but i keep collapsing it manually out of habit ;)
[09:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'll do a patched version for you to remove the onclick handler once opened :)
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it seems to me it always happens after a thunderbird update
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that doesn't surprise me
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if i could trigger it by setting the build id in my compatibility.ini to something bogus? (so it thinks it's been updated)
[09:37] <didrocks> some kind of rethorical question as you are the best to answer it :-)
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that didn't work :/
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll have to have a think about it :)
[09:39] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: thanks :)
[09:39] <didrocks> jibel: hey, you still have bug #1042211 I guess (now that you have some drivers which work on your netbook back)
[09:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042211 in mesa "[quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042211
[09:41] <didrocks> jibel: "As original poster, I confirm the latest updates fixed it on the Asus 1015pe."
[09:42] <didrocks> so compiz gles fixed it in some way if I understand normally?
[09:43] <jibel> didrocks, this one is fixed.
[09:43] <jibel> didrocks, but I had another one with latest mesa which has been reverted
[09:45] <didrocks> jibel: which is not the resume from suspend issue?
[09:45] <jibel> didrocks, no
[09:46] <jibel> didrocks, it was bug 1047306
[09:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047306 in mesa "[Quantal] [Intel Atom] Mesa 2012/09/07 updates broke it all" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047306
[09:46] <didrocks> tjaalton: sorry for the bug spam, I'm reworking and cleaning the incoming bug list
[09:47] <didrocks> jibel: ah, you mean what the revert fixed
[09:48] <didrocks> RAOF: I have another colord one for you :)
[10:20] <RAOF> didrocks: Boo!
[10:22] <didrocks> heh :)
[10:24] <RAOF> I've got a plausible hypothesis for a couple of classes of crash; apparently seb could reproduce another one at will, so I guess I'll need to see if I can do it a similar way...
[10:24] <RAOF> (And those plausible hypotheses come complete with patches that would fix it if they were in fact the cause)
[10:25] <didrocks> excellent, thanks RAOF :)
[11:14] <mhr3> didrocks, valadoc in Q only has support for vala 0.14
[11:15] <mhr3> what's that? there's vala 0.18 now?
[11:15] <mhr3> oh yea
[11:44] <ricotz> mhr3, since there are no releases of valadoc a newer snapshot is needed ;)
[11:45] <ricotz> mhr3, you can test out the vala-team ppa package of it
[11:58] <didrocks> mhr3: sorry, but dealing with other part that PS isn't doing right first :/
[12:05] <didrocks> I'm on my 3G connexion, having network issues
[12:47] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, how are you?
[12:48] <cyphermox> didrocks: pretty good, you
[12:48] <didrocks> cyphermox: starting to coughing :/ otherwise good!
[12:49] <didrocks> cyphermox: I think you saw that I assigned to you/touch some bugs
[12:49] <cyphermox> yeah, thanks
[12:49] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks for assigning bugs? seb's job is cool :)
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: another thing, do you have some time to look at evolution NBS? Seb told me before leaving on holidays you had some insight of it
[12:50] <didrocks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[12:50] <didrocks> ebook/evolution
[12:50] <cyphermox> yeah there's lot of things that need to just go :/
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you think you will be able to tackle that this week?
[12:51] <cyphermox> yeah, I already started on tracker
[12:52] <didrocks> cyphermox: excellent! keep me posted please :)
[13:07] <didrocks> jbicha: hey, good morning
[13:09] <jbicha> didrocks: good morning
[13:12] <pitti> hey jbicha, how are you?
[13:12] <pitti> did anyone ever try running clutter/nux/unity stuff in xvfb or KVM? (for tests)
[13:12] <didrocks1> jbicha: sorry, have been disconnected
[13:12] <didrocks1> just had: 15:07:29      didrocks | jbicha: hey, good morning
[13:12] <didrocks1> pitti: seems the security team did, why?
[13:13] <pitti> didrocks1: I'm pondering how I write UI integration tests for suspend/resume handling (one of my work items)
[13:13] <pitti> so I need to e. g. start totem and see that it blocks auto-suspend, and the like
[13:13] <pitti> but totem doesn't work in xvfb due to clutter
[13:13] <jbicha> didrocks1: you didn't miss anything :)
[13:14] <didrocks> pitti: should work in a full session using llvmpipe, I did that on my netbook "forcing" it
[13:14] <didrocks> jbicha: how are you?
[13:14] <pitti> didrocks: d'accord, merci
[13:15] <didrocks> pitti: de rien :)
[13:16] <jbicha> didrocks: I'm doing pretty good
[13:16] <didrocks> jbicha: good enough to fancy a small UIFe? bug #1048976 :)
[13:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048976 in ubuntu-wallpapers "[UIFe] Update default ubuntu wallpaper to quantal version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048976
[13:17] <jbicha> oh good, I was about to start asking around for that
[13:17] <jbicha> I have to work on docs this weekend
[13:18] <didrocks> jbicha: great! you will even have the right wallpaper then :)
[13:18] <jbicha> it doesn't seem to have a wallpaper attached though
[13:18] <didrocks> no, I didn't attach to it, want it or it's just for your curiousity?
[13:19] <didrocks> (the package is ready to be uploaded)
[13:19] <jbicha> is it purpley-orangey blobs or is it tesselated origami?
[13:19] <didrocks> still purpley-orangey
[13:22] <jbicha> didrocks: ok, +1'd
[13:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you know what this is? /usr/lib/firefox/firefox http://www.mardy.it/oauth2callback?code=<long gibberish>
[13:23] <didrocks> jbicha: thanks, uploading :)
[13:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't know what mardy.it is, and this process is sitting there for 4 hours already
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: did you restart the signon deamons since you upgrade?
[13:23] <pitti> oh, oauth -- that might be from empathy, and the ever-annoying "wah wah want to reauth to google"?
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've no idea what that is
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: mardy is an IRC nickname :)
[13:23] <jbicha> pitti: bug 1047588
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047588 in online-accounts-account-plugins "Account authentication spawning oauth2callback to mardy.it" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047588
[13:23] <didrocks> yeah, that's it :)
[13:23] <pitti> hah
[13:23] <pitti> merci beaucoup
[13:24] <didrocks> mais toujours de rien ;)
[13:24] <didrocks> I told him to be a little more silent when he introduces backdoors to ubuntu :p
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> oh, i've not set up any online accounts. perhaps that's why i haven't seen it ;)
[13:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you hate the web, right? :)
[13:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no jabber? no gtalk? wow
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i like the web ;)
[13:28]  * pitti watches chrisccoulson attach some letters to one of his pidgins
[13:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: was just j/k ;)
[13:28] <pitti> meh, dear X.org, please do start in KVM
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti, no, i only use IRC. and i've not opened empathy for months ;)
[13:28] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey! good morning
[13:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: TBH, I'm a little bit in the same case
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> i do occasionally chat to friends on facebook, but i just use their web UI for that
[13:29] <didrocks> even not facebook ;)
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:29] <kenvandine> didrocks, good morning
[13:29] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[13:29] <didrocks> kenvandine: how are you?
[13:29] <kenvandine> good
[13:29] <kenvandine> and you?
[13:29] <didrocks> start coughing apparently :/
[13:29] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:30] <didrocks> let's see how it goes, lot of coffees maybe in the next days :)
[13:30] <didrocks> kenvandine: ~ubuntu-art-pkg isn't accessible for my powerless bzr rights
[13:30] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you please push lp:~didrocks/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu to lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu?
[13:30] <kenvandine> sure
[13:31] <didrocks> (and maybe we should fix that later on to have real rights on it)
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> chatting on facebook (and other sites) will be nicer in firefox with the social API stuff they're working on
[13:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: also, when you get a chance, please paste the bug # for the lens in the FFe section of the team report :)
[13:31] <Laney> hm, launchpad says that I am in that team
[13:31] <kenvandine> didrocks, yup :)
[13:31] <Laney> Iain Lane → Ubuntu Core Development Team → Ubuntu Artwork Packagers
[13:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks!
[13:31] <didrocks> Laney: hum, I just tried to push
[13:32] <didrocks> and got some readonly error
[13:32] <Laney> weird
[13:32] <didrocks> I didn't insist, I got some transiant ones yesterday
[13:32] <didrocks> so maybe they are updating something, we had issues with bzrlib for the unity merger
[13:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: what's this social API stuff?
[13:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it doesn't seem to be in the html5 discussions I followed on
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/SocialAPI
[13:35] <kenvandine> didrocks, pushed
[13:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks again (I'm sure you looked at the new wallpaper! :p)
[13:36] <kenvandine> not yet :)
[13:48] <pitti> kenvandine: do you know whether there's a way to run an indicator in a kind of test sandbox, i. e. without starting the whole unity?
[13:49] <larsu> pitti, /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader3 /path/to/libindicator.so
[13:50] <larsu> indicator-loader is in libindicator3-tools
[13:50] <pitti> c'est parfait, merci!
[13:50] <kenvandine> what larsu said
[13:50] <kenvandine> :)
[13:50] <kenvandine> pitti, but note that is the rendering side... there is also a service to go with it
[13:50] <kenvandine> but that doesn't need to be run in a special way
[13:51] <pitti> yeah, that's just d-bus activated, isn't it?
[13:51] <kenvandine> yes
[13:51] <kenvandine> but if you are testing in a local build
[13:51] <kenvandine> you might want to run it by hand
[13:51] <kenvandine> which is tricky....
[13:52] <larsu> pitti, set INDICATOR_SERVICE_REPLACE_MODE=1
[13:52] <pitti> why? I thought you could just start the service manually from the build tree, and then run the loader
[13:52] <pitti> but anyway, I want to write an UI system integration test, so dbus activation is fine
[13:52] <kenvandine> it respawns
[13:52] <pitti> larsu: nice trick anyway, thanks
[13:52] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:52] <kenvandine> just something that bites a lot of people
[13:52] <pitti> I just want to get enough of a session running in autopkgtest so that I can exercise some indicator actions
[13:52] <kenvandine> if the system one is fine, then easy :)
[13:52]  * larsu would be much happier if indicators simply used d-bus activation
[13:53] <kenvandine> larsu, me too
[13:54] <pitti> larsu: n'est ce pas /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-session.service?
[13:54] <pitti> I thought they were (the services, not the UI)
[13:55] <larsu> pitti, yeah, but the panel plugins have some additional logic to restart the services
[13:55] <pitti> nice! x.org and indicator-session in my minimal vm
[13:56] <larsu> :)
[13:56] <pitti> I guess as I just want to inject some d-bus commands, I don't even need the UI bits, but it's easier for initial tinkering
[14:07] <Laney> dobey: Can I bring your attention to bug #1047800 please? :-)
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047800 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047800
[14:07]  * Laney got this just by navigating to a newly-shared U1 directory in nautilus
[14:08] <dobey> Laney: hrmm
[14:09] <Laney> actually, I had just ticked "share locally" or whatever it is to one that I had uploaded from another machine and U1 was in the middle of bringing it down to me
[14:10] <dobey> ugh. that is weird
[14:10] <dobey> and why is that stack trace incomplete? are there no dbus dbgsyms available to apport retracer?
[14:12] <Laney> try https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92020668/Stacktrace.txt
[14:12] <dobey> hmm, one of the older dupes has better trace it seems
[14:12] <dobey> heh, that's exactly the one i'm already looking at :)
[14:12] <Laney> :-)
[14:12] <mterry> tedg, poke about remote-login-by-default
[14:12]  * Laney is out for a bit
[14:13] <didrocks> hey mterry
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, hello!
[14:14] <dobey> huh. this is a very weird trace
[14:14] <didrocks> how are you?
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, good!
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: if you have features needed FFe that are not handled on PS side, please add them to the team report :)
[14:15] <mterry> didrocks, I don't think so...
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: great, you are out of trouble then! IIRC, you worked on something similar to bug #1045662 recently?
[14:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045662 in gnome-settings-daemon "[power]: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045662
[14:16] <mterry> didrocks, yup!
[14:16] <mterry> let me see
[14:17] <mterry> bug 971353
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971353 in gnome-settings-daemon "power : gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971353
[14:17] <didrocks> so, a real dup?
[14:17] <didrocks> let me gladely dup it :)
[14:17] <mterry> :)  yeah, they reported with unfixed version, so dup it
[14:17] <didrocks> thanks mterry :)
[14:27] <tedg> mterry, Is there mail?  Let me check.
[14:27] <mterry> tedg, there is scrollback when mdeslaur and jdstrand talked about it last night
[14:28] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, I don't have all of that scrollback.  Looking for logs.  Just a sec.
[14:28] <jdstrand> mterry, tedg: so we decided enable it for now. we will be poking at it more and may have more questions
[14:30] <jdstrand> mterry, tedg: unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the overall picture and how it worked on the default system at the time of my review. now that more of the bits are landing and we can see your intent, we'll have a better idea
[14:30] <desrt> so.... i install gdm and change my default display manager
[14:30] <desrt> then i uninstall gdm
[14:30] <jdstrand> that said, it seems like an odd default option to enable
[14:30] <desrt> how do i convince lightdm to take over again?
[14:30] <tedg> jdstrand, Okay, I have a juju charm that can build a rdp server for you.
[14:30] <jdstrand> tedg: that would be excellent
[14:31] <mterry> tedg, so if we enable this, every user will see a "Remote Login" option on the bottom of the list?
[14:31] <tedg> jdstrand, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Desktop_in_the_cloud
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, Yes
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, If they have networking.
[14:31] <mterry> tedg, and design wants that?
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, (after that branch lands)
[14:32] <didrocks> desrt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[14:32] <tedg> mterry, I guess I don't know design's opinion on it, but I do know that is what I was told how it would work.
[14:32] <didrocks> then you have a lovely debconf prompt :)
[14:32] <desrt> didrocks: huh.  i thought i had tried that
[14:32] <desrt> thanks in any case :)
[14:32] <didrocks> yw ;)
[14:34] <mterry> tedg, asking in #ubuntu-release about it.  I also realized the gsettings key to enable/disable is counter to how the rest of the greeter is customized.  It should be toggled in lightdm.conf, so I'll look at making that change today
[14:34] <jdstrand> tedg: so, there is rdp, uccs and citrix? will poking at rdp be representative of the other two?
[14:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: did you get a receipt from my weekly report meeting email?
[14:35] <tedg> mterry, Ah, okay.
[14:35] <mterry> jdstrand, can you comment in bug 1040221 that it's OK to try turning it on by default?
[14:35] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: the way I understand it is it communicates with uccs to get your list of rdp and citrix servers
[14:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040221 in unity-greeter "FFe request: Provide remote login options" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040221
[14:35] <tedg> jdstrand, Yeah, the citrix stuff we can't really put in the repo because it needs their proprietary client :-(
[14:36] <tedg> jdstrand, You can grab the code and try it, but it'll probably only end up in partner or extras or something.
[14:37] <didrocks> davidcalle: mterry: I saw the photo lens has been added without any tests, is that something on purpose?
[14:38] <davidcalle> didrocks, would manual tests work for you?
[14:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: re uccs: yes, that is what I saw in the code review too. however, I thought it might be possible to setup an rdp/citrix server to connect to independently of uccs (the landscape bit)
[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: check with the unity team about those
[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: as they are the one who will run them
[14:38] <jdstrand> tedg: can you comment? ^
[14:38] <mdeslaur> tedg: ^
[14:38] <tedg> jdstrand, mdeslaur, if you want to see what the list of servers part is the easiest way to test that is "echo -n ubuntussopass | thin-client-config-agent<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: but I think it's fine for lenses, even if automated tests will be appreciated
[14:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: please, stop landing stuff without tests into distro, we don't do that anymore
[14:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: also, can you make the video lens on the same level regarding testing?
[14:39] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok
[14:39] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:40] <tedg> jdstrand, There are ways to do that, but they're there mostly for testing today.  But, all that changes is where the list of servers comes from now how it works with the accounts, etc.
[14:40] <mterry> didrocks, sorry, my fault.
[14:40] <didrocks> mterry: no worry, but I want to be fair with other PS people and that we don't start again to go into the wrong direction
[14:41] <jdstrand> tedg: ok, thanks
[14:41] <mterry> didrocks, yup
[14:41] <davidcalle> mterry, mine actually. Will do my best to land them asap.
[15:38] <mterry> didrocks, no meeting looks like?
[15:39] <didrocks> mterry: sorry, was in a pm, let me try to play this game of listing people :)
[15:41] <didrocks> bryceh: chrisccoulson, cyphermox, kenvandine, mterry, robru, Laney, tkamppeter: anything particular to discuss for this week?
[15:41] <didrocks> please remember updating your blueprints status :)
[15:42] <kenvandine> nope
[15:42] <robru> didrocks, nothing major to mention, I'm still plugging away at gwibber.
[15:42]  * kenvandine hugs robru
[15:42] <robru> BFFs!
[15:42] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:42] <didrocks> robru: plug plug ;)
[15:43] <didrocks> ok no meeting it seems then, I assigned some bugs to some lucky of you, please watch for them out :)
[15:44] <mterry> yay
[15:44] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:44] <robru> thanks didrocks
[15:45] <davmor2> kenvandine: good news this latest update didn't bork my sip password,  bad neww the 2 google accounts I have both need a fresh authenticate app when I start up the system :(
[15:45] <kenvandine> davmor2, yeah... i've been complaining to mardy about that :)
[15:46] <kenvandine> davmor2, can you file a bug for that?
[15:46] <kenvandine> against account-plugins?
[15:49] <davmor2> kenvandine: will do
[15:51] <kenvandine> davmor2, thanks
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, sorry, just got back from exercise :)
[15:52] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no worry, nothing special to discuss?
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, not really. i'm basically working on bug fixing now
[15:52] <didrocks> bug fixing is good, did you hide the chat button? :)
[16:02] <doko> didrocks, do you know what the replacement of libgsf-gnome-1-dev is?
[16:02] <doko> was dropped in quantal
[16:06] <didrocks> doko: seems they are declared obsolete in debian/ubuntu:
[16:06] <doko> yes
[16:06] <didrocks> you see some rdepends?
[16:06]  * didrocks checks
[16:07] <didrocks> ah, I know the upstream for planner
[16:07] <didrocks> let me check
[16:08] <didrocks> doko: from what I see both libg3d and planner are build-depending on libgsf-gnome-1-dev, but it seems they don't link to it
[16:08] <didrocks> let me perform some build test
[16:09] <didrocks> libg3d:
[16:09] <doko> didrocks, libg3d not needed
[16:09] <didrocks>  libgsf-1-dev | libgsf-gnome-1-dev,
[16:09] <doko> and doing planner now
[16:09] <didrocks> doko: I'm already on it, building
[16:09] <doko> which seems to work. uploaded
[16:09] <didrocks> this fast? did you make any test?
[16:10] <doko> package did build
[16:10] <didrocks> well, doesn't mean it's working :)
[16:12] <didrocks> but ok, next time I'll let you investigate if you really want to upload it at any cost :p
[16:19] <jbicha> didrocks: did you want to add ubuntu-default-settings to the ubuntu-desktop seed & metapackage?
[16:21] <Laney> has anyone from the release team considered that?
[16:22] <didrocks> jbicha: I thought you wanted to deal with the FFe first, no?
[16:22] <jbicha> Laney: not really, I mentioned it in an email to the release team last week but I wasn't sure if it need a FFe or not
[16:23] <jbicha> it's bug 1039792
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1039792 in ubuntu-meta "[needs-packaging] [MIR] ubuntu-default-settings" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039792
[16:24] <didrocks> the MIR has been acked, I guess thats fine as it doesn't change anything structurally, wdyt Laney?
[16:26] <Laney> is it planned to drop the overrides from the individual packages this cycle?
[16:26] <didrocks> Laney: I suggested beginning of next cycle or with GNOME updates as they come
[16:26] <didrocks> I have no strong opinion either way, seems low risk to me
[16:27] <jbicha> Laney: yes I was hoping to, as otherwise ubuntu-gnome-default-settings would need to override the override back to default
[16:27] <Laney> jbicha: right, how many packages are affected then?
[16:27] <jbicha> I mean it's not essential as we know how to work around it, but it is nicer
[16:29] <LLStarks> jbicha, does your tbird have a window bar?
[16:29] <jbicha> potentially nearly everything in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_*
[16:30] <jbicha> LLStarks: this is where I admit that this week I'm running Ubuntu GNOME which doesn't have thunderbird pre-installed...
[16:30] <LLStarks> ha
[16:30] <Laney> well, if you think you can do it
[16:30] <jbicha> I'm going to have to install Unity this week though for docs
[16:30] <LLStarks> i'm running gnome-shell and there's no window bar for tbird
[16:30] <didrocks> Laney: even if we can't do everything in a run, there is no file overwrite, just two overrides of the same value
[16:31] <didrocks> and desrt will be happy, what price this can have? :)
[16:31] <LLStarks> i feel so empty
[16:31] <Laney> yeah. I think that if we're going to do it then we might as well get it all done
[16:31] <Laney> jbicha: go for it
[16:32] <Laney> beta freeze (next thurs) is probably a reasonable deadline to be fiddling with changes like dropping schemas
[16:33] <didrocks> ok, updating the seed then, and moving the package to main as the MIR is accepted
[16:33] <didrocks> Laney: jbicha ^
[16:33] <Laney> cool
[16:33] <jbicha> thanks
[16:37] <desrt> didrocks: i was right -- i had tried that before
[16:37] <desrt> didrocks: still not working :/
[16:38] <desrt> jbicha: so gnome-shell lockscreen is.... unhappy
[16:38] <jbicha> desrt: ?
[16:38] <desrt> we just got an upgrade that prints a "could not connect to gdm" message and doesn't lock
[16:38] <didrocks> desrt: hum? so you have lightdm chosen by default, and it's not the own starting? interested
[16:38] <didrocks> interesting*
[16:39] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/189201/ is this a sane patch (to gconf)?
[16:39] <desrt> didrocks: i had this issue before.... i ended up reinstalling to fix it :p
[16:39] <jbicha> desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683060
[16:39] <ubot2> Gnome bug 683060 in lock-screen "Impossible to unlock screen if not using GDM" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[16:40] <didrocks> desrt: try asking robert when he's around
[16:40] <didrocks> I thought it was just this alternative being enough
[16:40] <jbicha> I just grabbed the first patch from there; I don't think the patch from today is quite what we want either
[16:40] <desrt> jbicha: i wonder if we can just package the gdm service that provides the auth stuff
[16:41] <jbicha> I think robert said doing something like that was awfully complex
[16:41] <desrt> it needn't be part of lightdm...
[16:42] <jbicha> well I think the gnome-shell guys want their new lock screen to be used by everyone so they probably would be happy if someone got that working
[16:42] <desrt> this does seem like the correct way forward.
[16:43] <desrt> seems like we could autostart org.gnome.DisplayManager
[16:45] <micahg> desrt: are you a GTK person or just GLIB upstream?
[16:45] <desrt> glib mostly
[16:45] <desrt> but i do the odd gtk patch from time to time in specific areas
[16:45] <desrt> (mostly application support stuff)
[16:45] <micahg> desrt: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111315068/gtk%2B3.0_3.4.2-0ubuntu0.5~ppa~tj.debdiff
[16:45] <desrt> larsu: ^ ?
[16:46]  * desrt really knows absolutely nothing about printing
[16:46] <micahg> if it's accepted upstream, I'll sponsor it into Ubuntu
[16:48] <larsu> micahg, do you know when the "Custom." prefix is already there? I think this should never happen...
[16:48] <larsu> oh, there's a bug number in the changelog
[16:49] <micahg> yeah, with links all over the place
[16:58] <larsu> micahg, it certainly fixes the problem, but it's not the right solution. I wouldn't recommend upstreaming it like this
[16:59] <micahg> larsu: ok, thanks, could you comment in the bug with any tips on how to proceed?
[17:00] <larsu> micahg, I don't have any tips yet, but I'll fix it this week, shouldn't be too hard
[17:00] <micahg> larsu: ok, can I give you the bug then?
[17:00] <larsu> sure
[17:01] <micahg> oh, there's no assignee, so I'll leave it as is
[17:03] <didrocks> jbicha: I'll push to ubuntu-meta the ubuntu-default-settings a little bit later, needs to wait for it to be published in main (the override needs a publisher run)
[17:04] <didrocks> I'll disconnect for dinner, have a good evening everyone :)
[17:47] <mterry> tedg, can you roll a new remote-login-service?
[18:09] <tedg> mterry, For the g_error() patch?
[18:09] <tedg> mterry, I'm working on network detection right now, I was going to finish that before releasing.
[18:10] <mterry> tedg, no worries
[18:10] <mterry> tedg, I'll just distro-patch the g_error one
[18:11] <mterry> tedg, I just wanted that fix in place before I enabled it by default
[18:12] <micahg> mterry: someone showed me Bug #1033887 last night, looks easy enough to fix I think
[18:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1033887 in deja-dup "backup fails with error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033887
[18:13] <mterry> micahg, thanks, marked it as a dup of another report that I was looking at yesterday
[18:13] <micahg> cool
[18:13] <mterry> micahg, it's been a problem for a while, but I've been waiting until bug hunting season (post FF) to get to it
[18:13] <mterry> Seems about time
[18:40] <mterry> jbicha, are you able to approve my ubuntu-doc mailling list posts?  I'd appreciate it if so
[18:44] <jbicha> mterry: no, I'm not an admin; I think mdke is; or you could just subscribe & re-send
[19:00] <micahg> mterry: I'm guessing there shouldn't be a problem with me sponsoring adding Enhances to the xchat-indicator binaries?
[19:01] <mterry> micahg, I don't remember the context for this conversation
[19:01] <micahg> mterry: no context, asking a question :)
[19:02] <micahg> Bug #1049194 FWIW
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049194 in xchat-indicator "Add the xchat-indicator package as an "Enhances:" for xchat" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049194
[19:02] <mterry> micahg, Enhances: xchat ?
[19:02] <micahg> yeah, and Enhances: xchat-indicator
[19:02] <micahg> just wanted to check if there was a reason not to
[19:02] <mterry> micahg, xchat doesn't Enhance xchat-indicator, does it?  Seems like a weird relationship
[19:03] <micahg> reporter originally wanted recommends on the indicators and I said no
[19:03] <micahg> mterry: the other way, the indicator enhances xchat{,-gnome}
[19:03] <mterry> I think Enhances and Suggests make sense
[19:04] <mterry> Enhance: xchat, Suggests: xchat-indicator
[19:04] <mterry> My vote anyway
[19:04] <micahg> ok, sponsoring (and I'm using the bzr branch as well)
[19:04] <micahg> well, I'm only doing the enhances side since it's 1 upload :)
[19:06] <mterry> micahg, awesome
[19:15] <Laney> desrt: would you know if http://paste.debian.net/189201/ is sane?
[19:20] <desrt> Laney: i can't imagine it would hurt anything, but i'm a little bit suspicious of this issue showing up now...
[19:21] <Laney> I don't know why either, but banshee/tomboy became a victim of this crash in Quantal
[19:24]  * kenvandine curses tedg
[19:24] <kenvandine> i just tried to check out indicate-datetime
[19:24] <kenvandine> grrr!
[19:25] <kenvandine> it's been 3.5 years... and i still screw up indicate and indicator :-D
[19:25] <tedg> kenvandine, I'm here to help your grammar.  Just because you can't learn it  ;-)
[19:25] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:25] <kenvandine> i think this is a sign that i haven't messed with the indicators enough this cycle
[19:26] <kenvandine> i actually didn't have it checked out anywhere
[19:27] <tedg> Heh, see, now that's you're problem.
[19:27] <tedg> your
[19:28] <kenvandine> and you're here to help my grammar
[19:28] <tedg> Think of it this way kenvandine, by helping you, I'm helping you set a good example for your children.  By them having a good example, they'll do better in school and lead more successful lives.  Don't do it for me, do it for the children.
[19:29] <kenvandine> :-p
[20:42] <doko> cursing the unity-staging team building every commit on powerpc :-(
[20:43] <Laney> doko: #ubuntu-unity is probably a better channel for flames :P
[20:43] <micahg> doko: that was supposed to stop
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> urgh, is this unity webapps stuff relying on multiple profile support in firefox?
[20:52] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i really don't know
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it is. it's entirely dependant on a feature that is deprecated and being removed
[20:53] <dobey> awesome
[20:53] <micahg> Firefox is getting rid of multiple profiles?
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's been the plan to remove this feature for ages, it just hasn't happened yet
[20:54] <micahg> I thought they wanted to remove the manager, not the feature, ugh :(
[20:55] <dobey> people use that feature for actual things?
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, maybe it is then. but the whole feature sucks
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> multiple profiles is completely and utterly broken unless you start using -no-remote everywhere, and then it's still broken, but just in different ways
[20:55] <dobey> it made a little bit of sense in netscape on windows 95
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe the entire thing is dependant on this
[20:56] <kenvandine> is that for chromeless?
[20:56] <dobey> kenvandine: and not screwing with the user's actual profile, i guess?
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it looks like it. it's a shame that they're not using the upstream chromeless runtime, which doesn't depend on any of these hacks
[21:00] <kenvandine> :/
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> and they symlink the cookies.sqlite file between profiles :/
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> that's pointless, considering firefox locks that so that only one instance can access it
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> the more i look at this, the more i want to cry
[21:15] <cyphermox> Laney: still around?
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg, there's the removal patch: https://bug214675.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=416998
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> it removes the UI and multiple profile support
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> so, the whole lot
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> oh dear
[21:28] <Laney> cyphermox: yo
[21:28] <cyphermox> Laney: would you agree that evolution-rss 0.3.92 is bugfix, fixing up building against EDS 3.5 (I want to finish clearing the NBS list) --> http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-rss/log/
[21:28] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: why aren't you including Firefox 16 Beta in Quantal?
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, the release date is cutting it a bit fine
[21:29] <Laney> cyphermox: yeah, looks alright
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ;)
[21:30] <cyphermox> Laney: ok, thanks
[21:30] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: so you're going for a 0-day SRU instead?
[21:31] <Laney> yay for EDS transitions
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, yep :)
[23:04] <RAOF> Huh. Has indicator-messages deliberately dropped support for all apps which aren't empathy or gwibber?
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, thunderbird and xchat-gnome work too ;)
[23:08] <RAOF> But not evolution or smuxi. Ok, what's going on here.
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, bug 1040259
[23:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040259 in unity-mail "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040259


[00:45] <ndimatteo> anyone able to assist in writing an upstart job for forever.js?
[14:39] <karolyi> hi, is there a way to configure keyboard to emit upstart events on pressing some special key combinations?
[17:18] <SpamapS> karolyi: if you can get the kernel to notify a userspace daemon, it can emit events
[17:21] <karolyi> SpamapS: yes, but the question is, how
[17:21] <karolyi> i've been goggling around for half a day now
[17:21] <karolyi> *googling
[18:23] <stgraber> karolyi: the easiest way would be to patch some of the keyboard handling code in the kernel to emit a uevent when the specific key combination is done, you could then have upstart trigger on that uevent with the existing udev bridge
[18:25] <karolyi> stgraber: so, i guess i can't do that without actual patching
[18:25] <stgraber> right
[18:26] <stgraber> depending on the kind of keyboard, you may be able to eavesdrop through the /dev/input devices, but I'm not sure if that works and if it does, I doubt it's going to be particularly reliable
[18:27] <karolyi> actually i'm not allowed to patch the kernel here, we should stick to the supplied ubuntu kernel version :)
[18:28] <karolyi> however, this was my idea too, i just didn't knew that this can't be achieved now with the stock kernel
[18:30] <stgraber> well, it's not something we need in the distro and having that kind of thing in the kernel and I guess people don't want to make it too simple to implement a key logger ;)
[18:36] <karolyi> stgraber: you're right, but my target is now to achieve a volume controller by the multimedia keys, behind the X server, because my windowmanager steals the focus if i set the controller script to the appropriate keys


[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:46] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[18:49] <Fallen> Hey Folks, KDE Akademy happening in July, who is going ?
[19:06] <ahoneybun[m]> I'm not aware of anyone going, I can at least confirm I am not going.
[19:31] <tsimonq2> If nobody from Kubuntu shows interest, I'd LOVE to go and represent Ubuntu as a whole
[19:31] <tsimonq2> It's on my bucket list to make it to an Akademy :)
[20:25] <valorie> it is awesome
[20:25] <valorie> but I'm not going to Europe any time soon
[20:26] <valorie> not really active RN in KDE for starters
[20:26] <valorie> but when I travel now it will be research for the book I'm writing (genealogy/family history)


[00:00] <hypershock> Hey guys, so i have everything fixed that I was talking about yesterday. But, now, I can see after watching a video, just 12 minutes in and my screen goes black. I have screen disabling and blanking disabled in power management and my screensaver is set for 60 minutes. also, I completely resetted .kde yesterday by renaming it. where else can i look for this beast of a problem?
[00:05] <jlkkljh> i can only use the acpi workarounds
[00:05] <jlkkljh> boot
[00:05] <jlkkljh> and i cant use that
[00:07] <jlkkljh> it opens a black screen with a mouse and freezes there it will try to load something but nothing happens
[00:08] <jlkkljh> hello thee
[00:08] <jlkkljh> there
[00:08] <jlkkljh> ????????????????
[00:09] <jlkkljh> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO BOOT THIS UP
[00:09] <jlkkljh> PLEASE
[00:10] <hypershock> considering all of us are the same as you and not even paid to be here, please have some patience.
[00:10] <hypershock> please, start from the beginning, what did you do to get to this place in life?
[00:12] <jlkkljh> i ttries to install kubuntu
[00:13] <hypershock> which version did you try and on what type of hardware did you try it?
[00:15] <jlkkljh> but freezes at [<c1515156>] [<c1515004>] [<c12d753b>] [<c1345c1d>]
[00:15] <jlkkljh> next prt
[00:15] <jlkkljh> part*
[00:15] <hypershock> please answer the questions: Which version of Kubuntu did you try and what type of hardware did you try to install it on?
[00:16] <jlkkljh> the bottom of the screen says
[00:16] <jlkkljh> ::
[00:17] <jlkkljh> [<c1533b7e>] kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[00:18] <jlkkljh> and that is where it froze at the continuing installation screen
[00:19] <jlkkljh> that is my problem
[00:19] <jlkkljh> and i cant resolve it
[00:20] <hypershock> argh, i'm gonna ignore if that is fine. try googling that if you are not gonna answer the questions so we can begin to help you. In general one of two things happened. You either installed a highly experimental distribution or your hardware is extremely old. if you want more help you have to answer the questions.
[00:20] <hypershock> BluesKaj: btw, I just found that I had xscreensaver running and it is set to 10 minutes. that baby is out of here now!
[00:21] <jlkkljh> 11.10 i think the latest i just todat installed
[00:21] <jlkkljh> gateway
[00:21] <hypershock> jlkkljh: now give the model of your gateway so we can double check the specs.
[00:21] <hypershock> jlkkljh: also, is this a laptop or desk/tower? if the latter do you have a custom video card installed.
[00:21] <jlkkljh> 510 s p
[00:22] <jlkkljh> tower
[00:22] <jlkkljh> how do you make it appear in red
[00:22] <hypershock> ok, right off hand, do you know what type of graphics card, and cpu you have and how much memory too.
[00:22] <jlkkljh> no
[00:22] <hypershock> by putting your nick in it.
[00:22] <jlkkljh> 1 gb ram
[00:23] <jlkkljh> freshly installed 1 week ago
[00:23] <jlkkljh> cpu / intel core??????? do you mean
[00:24] <hypershock> jlkkljh: is this your computer http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1596200,00.asp?tab=Specs ?
[00:24] <jlkkljh> ht pentium 4
[00:24] <jlkkljh> and yes
[00:26] <hypershock> ok, now we have a base line to operate from. Tell me what prompted you to install Kubuntu? Did you have linux on this machine before?
[00:26] <jlkkljh> no
[00:26] <hypershock> jlkkljh: there were 2 questions there, I need 2 answers. :)
[00:27] <jlkkljh> i wanted a smaller system to play minecraft on
[00:27] <jlkkljh> than xp
[00:28] <jlkkljh>
[00:28] <jlkkljh> ok it works
[00:28] <jlkkljh> the chat i meant
[00:28] <hypershock> heh, my 1.6ghz dual core pentium with 4gb of ddr2 fails to run minecraft in linux, very clunky at best.
[00:29] <jlkkljh> ok i wonder why
[00:29] <hypershock> jlkkljh: goto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862288 see if that helps you out there. Quite a few people discussing your problem in there. If that thread fails to help you out, I strongly suggest you use 11.04 or 10.04
[00:30] <jlkkljh> i had just downloaded wubi
[00:30] <hypershock> jlkkljh: because minecraft practically demands an nvidia or ati card. while it is a cubish world it still demands advanced graphics manipulations.
[00:30] <jlkkljh> today
[00:30] <jlkkljh> and installed today
[00:32] <hypershock> so you still have your windows system eh? here is what I would have done. download the livecd, and boot from that, if the livecd works, then do a boot & nuke. ie, wipe the hard drive (after backing up all docs, pics, whatevers) and complete fresh install the linux from the livecd.
[00:32] <jlkkljh> i cant use live cd
[00:32] <jlkkljh>     /live usb
[00:33] <hypershock> your bios doesnt' allow booting from usb/cdrom?
[00:33] <jlkkljh> it will but intel boot agentr dosent pickup a iso file
[00:34] <jlkkljh>                                                                        agent*
[00:34] <hypershock> you know that makes no sense. if you make burn and iso file to a cd, you'll have a bootable cd, just like a windows install cd. The reboot your computer, put in the cd quickly, and watch it boot into linux.
[00:35] <jlkkljh> it wont burn a cd though
[00:35] <jlkkljh> and i dont have a cd
[00:36] <hypershock> ok
[00:36] <hypershock> so wubi it was.
[00:36] <hypershock> are you reading that thread?
[00:36] <jlkkljh> yes
[00:36] <jlkkljh> somewhat
[00:37] <hypershock> are you on the same comp that you installed kubuntu on?
[00:37] <jlkkljh> no
[00:37] <jlkkljh> im on a windows 7 right beside it
[00:39] <hypershock> ah, I just remembered an idea that works when you can't boot on a comp from cd or usb. Do this, make a bootable live cd of linux you are interested in on your windows 7 machine. Then turn off your machines. take out the windows 7 hdd, install the gateway hard drive in place, boot with the cd, install the linux. when complete, turn off machine, take out hard drive and put back in gateway. put win 7 hard drive back. boot up both and enjoy.
[00:40] <jlkkljh> im not wanting to install on win7
[00:40] <jlkkljh> tho
[00:41] <hypershock> ok, I realize you are "somewhat" reading that thread, please don't "somewhat" read what I just suggested. :)
[00:41] <jlkkljh> and this hdd/hd has wires connecting to it
[00:41] <jlkkljh> ok
[00:42] <jlkkljh> whats oneiric
[00:42] <jlkkljh> ???????
[00:42] <jlkkljh> im a noob
[00:42] <hypershock> what i said was after you made the live cd on the win 7 machine. turn off BOTH machines. take out win 7 hdd. take out gateway hdd. put gateway hdd in win 7 machine. install linux on gateway hdd. finish. remove gateway hdd. put gateway hdd back in gateway. put win 7 hdd back in win 7 machine. ta da. you still have win 7.
[00:42] <hypershock> oneiric is 11.10
[00:43] <jlkkljh> its a all in 1 win 7
[00:43] <hypershock> your operating system lives on your hard drive (hdd), not in anything else on your computer.
[00:43] <hypershock> oh, that sucks. touchscreen tho i bet.
[00:44] <jlkkljh> no
[00:44] <jlkkljh> its a hippie
[00:44] <hypershock> yeah hp
[00:44] <jlkkljh> yep
[00:44] <hypershock> call it "ech pea"
[00:44] <jlkkljh> my dad says screw you
[00:45] <jlkkljh> lol
[00:45] <jlkkljh> im sorry for being impatient
[00:45] <jlkkljh> ok
[00:45] <hypershock> hay i try to help and this is how you guys act. your dad can jump in a lake
[00:45] <jlkkljh> *laughing histerically
[00:45] <hypershock> like i said no one is paid here we are all like you, you want to go back to screaming for help. lucky i helped you at all.
[00:46] <jlkkljh> im with you not him
[00:46] <jlkkljh> i dont like my dad that much
[00:46] <hypershock> well, i've done all i know. maybe someone else will chime in
[00:47] <jlkkljh> can anyone else help and thanks hyper shock
[00:48] <jlkkljh> win 7 wont burn either
[00:49] <jlkkljh> ya know
[00:49] <hypershock> you do know that you have match burn media to the burner type of the drive.
[00:50] <jlkkljh> oh
[00:50] <jlkkljh> that helps
[00:50] <jlkkljh> cdrewritable
[00:51] <hypershock> like if the drive is rated dvd-r as a burner, then you can buy dvd-r disc and burn them in it. the "-" "+" and "- +" are also rating types not conjuctives. the best drives are dvd/bluray "+-" rw. as the burn and read everything.
[00:51] <jlkkljh> should i go to a different server
[00:52] <hypershock> cd rewritable is usually cd-rw. naw, if its kubuntu, perhaps when tv shows are over ppl will start talking again
[00:53] <jlkkljh> ok umm could a server work on that machine
[00:54] <hypershock> your problem isn't the gui
[00:54] <hypershock> try installing a lesser version of ubuntu, 10.04 LTS. You'll probably find that will work better.
[00:54] <jlkkljh> ok
[00:55] <jlkkljh> i will and ill get back to you
[00:55] <hypershock> ok cool
[00:55] <jlkkljh> ill stay on this channel
[01:39] <nilsonmorales> spanish channel for kubuntu?
[02:21] <jlkkljh> hypershock??????????
[02:25] <jlkkljh> is any one here a mod that i can start a pvt chat with
[02:29] <jlkkljh> anybody
[02:30] <Oigres> Como soy nuevo en el chat y en le tema, me gustaría leer otars opiniones soobre el tema...
[02:30] <pvivek_> i am upgrading Precise, i am running do-release-upgrade -d in tty. Everything was working fine, now generating grub.cfg is stuck in an infinite loop, in the sense, its finding my distros and again generating grub.cfg again and again. What to do to stop it? ctrl+c would kill the whole process right ?
[07:22] <sophie_> hello tout le monde
[08:10] <corverse> hello..just want to ask if there's a way to share my internet connection to other devices?
[08:15] <corverse> hello..just want to ask if there's a way to share my internet connection to other devices?
[08:19] <lordievader> good morning'
[08:45] <elvenfighter> Hey, has anyone had issues with x86_64 Opera browser on kubuntu ?
[08:46] <elvenfighter> e.g. it can't load kubuntu.org
[08:46] <lordievader> And it does load in another browser?
[08:48] <elvenfighter> Loads succesfully in every other, and in x86 Opera
[08:50] <lordievader> So the problem is probably in the 64bit version of Opera, I don't have it myself so I can't look at settings... do you have the default setup?
[08:50] <lordievader> Of the browser I mean.
[08:51] <elvenfighter> I think it's ubuntu problem, because everything's fine on x86_64 suse
[08:52] <elvenfighter> yes, I have a default setup
[08:52] <lordievader> Hmm, did you install it through the repos?
[08:53] <elvenfighter> I've installed it from official site
[08:53] <elvenfighter> http://www.opera.com/download/
[08:55] <lordievader> I see, I'm not sure if i can help you any further, you could try the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ Perhaps someone there can help you out.
[08:56] <elvenfighter> kthanks, I've only started looking the source of problem
[09:41] <pegasus_> espanol?
[09:43] <lordievader> English is more common here...
[09:50] <pegasus_> ok
[09:50] <pegasus_> hello lordievader
[09:50] <lordievader> pegasus_: good morning
[09:51] <pegasus_> good morning
[10:34] <Teth> hello :)
[10:34] <lordievader> Teth: hi
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm trying to install theme for login screen, opened login screen control module , there is a option to get new themes , installed them but the dont show up in the theme screen, wonder where they were downloaded too
[11:58] <lordievader> I have the same problem here
[11:58] <lordievader> But I turned on the automatic login, so I don't see it anymore...
[11:58] <BluesKaj> yeah , themes are hit and miss for some reason some will install and others that appear so don't
[11:59] <mydogsnameisrudy> says there installed but cant find them
[12:00] <lordievader> It seems that the themes are kept here:  /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes
[12:00] <lordievader> A guide to install kdm themes: http://dptofblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/howto-install-kdm-themes-in-kubuntu.html
[12:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya thats the default . not the new downloaded ones
[12:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok i do a search
[12:03] <lordievader> Guide work, just tested it, they show up. Haven't logged out yet though...
[12:03] <BluesKaj> with autologin you won't see the login screen , do you mean the splash screen , mydogsnameisrudy
[12:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> im not doing autologin
[12:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: that was me...
[12:03] <lordievader> :P
[12:04] <BluesKaj> oh sorry guys'
[12:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya i cant find the dir of the downloaded themes
[12:05] <lordievader> brb, gonna check to see if the theme actually works
[12:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> strange
[12:05] <lordievader> download them from here: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=41
[12:07] <lordievader> I've confirmed it, installing the theme as instructed in the guide work. The option of getting new themes through System Settings does not, perhaps a dev can take a look at it?
[12:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> just cant find the themes after you download  this will work form the link above
[12:09] <lordievader> mydogsnameisrudy: you mean you cant find them after you downloaded them from kde-look.org?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy,  themes should be listed in the themes tab in login screen in sys settings
[12:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> i got it
[12:12] <BluesKaj> heh, now the system settings fonts have changed back to defaults and any changes I make aren't holding
[12:13] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Didn't someone else got that same problem yesterday?
[12:13] <lordievader> brb, gotta check a theme.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> fonts seem to be holding now
[12:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> you using 12.04
[12:17] <BluesKaj> yeah
[12:17] <JMichaelX> anyone know what the deal is with dl.google.com so often being somewhere between pathetically slow and dead?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy,  whwere did you find he themes , ~/.kde dir?
[12:19] <lordievader> JMichaelX: It is slower than another Google page but it ain't dead or horribly slow. I get referred to https://www.google.com/chrome btw...
[12:19] <BluesKaj> I tested one theme install , it's not listed in the theme tab in the login
[12:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> i downloaded from kde eyecandy and put them in the download dir , not found the other ones yet
[12:20] <JMichaelX> lordievader: it is horribly slow. that isn't even open for debate, as far as i'm concerned, but tyvm for the link.
[12:20] <lordievader> JMichaelX: no problem
[12:23] <JMichaelX> lordievader: i know this does not relate directly to kubuntu, but what i am referring to is the repository @ dl.google.com . the link you gave me, does it have anything to do with pointing to an alternate mirror of some kind?
[12:24] <lordievader> JMichaelX: Ah sorry, I didn't know you where asking for a repos, I just typed it in a browser and got redirected to there, so it probably has nothing to do with any repos.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> JMichaelX,  don't fret , we're all encountering the samer problem ...your update is stalled ?
[12:25] <JMichaelX> ok. i had just assumed everyone would know what i was referring to, which of course is not necessarily the case
[12:26] <lordievader> Nope, sorry
[12:26] <JMichaelX> BluesKaj: i am not fretting so much as annoyed, as this has been a recurring issue with google for some time
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta reboot ...this sys settings issue needs a resart , I think
[12:27] <JMichaelX> lordievader: ty for responding, either way. you are probably just a bit smarter, and are using chromium instead of chrome
[12:27] <lordievader> JMichaelX: No problem, and yes I do use chromium.
[12:29] <lordievader> Why have I never known about the Google Repos...? I see here a post from 2008 talking about it XD
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ok, it seems
[13:02] <alsi1974> stop
[14:30] <helios333> #python
[15:11] <peterklein> hi
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hi
[15:35] <georgelappies> just upgraded to 12.04.  Thanks guys :)
[15:42] <georgelappies> was the thickness of the default font changed in 12.04? cause it looks much better?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> georgelappies,  yes , just recently , like today ..i noticed a difference in my fav font as well
[16:08] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:08] <georgelappies> it looks very nice, anyone not using kubuntu is losing out big time :D but yeah saying that here is a bit like preaching to choir lol
[16:41] <sky100> i need some help on kubuntu
[16:42] <sky100> 11.04
[16:42] <sky100> 11.10*
[16:43] <BluesKaj> sky100,  just ask your question
[16:43] <sky100> ok thnx
[16:44] <sky100> i was changing desktop wallpaper but after reboot its switching back to previous one
[16:44] <sky100> BluesKaj,
[16:46] <BluesKaj> sky100,  are you imorting the wallpapers into Desktop Settings then choosing the one you want and clicking on apply and ok ?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> importing
[16:47] <sky100> yea
[16:47] <sky100> i was saving desktop wallpaper which is alreday in my personal folder
[16:48] <sky100> not derived from linux
[16:49] <BluesKaj> yes , but make sure you click on the folder option to import any images to the desktop settings
[16:49] <BluesKaj> navigate to your personal folder from desktop settings , in other words
[16:52] <sky100> yep i did it
[16:52] <sky100> i updated few time back
[16:52] <sky100> gonna check that out again
[16:52] <sky100> brb
[17:41] <sky100> my desktop wallpaper is just vanishing after reboot ..
[17:42] <sky100> can any one suggest pls
[17:42] <lordievader> sky100: is the wallpaper on a partition that is being mounted before you login? (fstab)
[17:43] <sky100> im telling u excatly what i did
[17:44] <sky100> right click on desktop setting > browsed to the folder where my preferred image is resting
[17:45] <sky100> clicked on it> its right in the wallpaper changer folder
[17:45] <sky100> hit > APPLY > OK
[17:45] <sky100> its DONE
[17:45] <lordievader> sky100: yes but where is the image located?
[17:45] <sky100> but after reboot its going back to previous wallpaper
[17:45] <lordievader> ah ok, nvm
[17:47] <lordievader> wait maybe it is... I'm not sure. It could be that the system cannot find the wallpaper on boot because the drive isn't mounted yet, and falls back to default. So where is the image located?
[17:48] <sky100> but earlier it was doing good ..
[17:48] <sky100> i was just able to switch over to any wallpaper i wished for
[17:48] <lordievader> Did you update anything?
[17:48] <sky100> yes
[17:48] <lordievader> What did you update?
[17:49] <sky100> i386 image..some stuff like that
[17:50] <sky100> its showing at the notification area " UPDATES AVAILABLE FOR YOUR SYSTEM ' ... hence I ipdated
[17:50] <sky100> updated *
[17:51] <lordievader> you didn't take a look at what was being updated?
[17:51] <sky100> hmmm
[17:51] <sky100> it some good no of updates
[17:52] <lordievader> i see
[17:52] <sky100> but cant remember the name of the updates
[17:52] <sky100> it was taking good time to be updated
[17:53] <lordievader> are you using activities?
[17:53] <sky100> nah
[17:53] <sky100> i simply wanted to change the wallpapers
[17:54] <sky100> just cant figure out why its not saving ...
[17:54] <lordievader> I noticed when i updated to backports that my wallpaper had changed to the default as well. Switching activities fixed it, got me my right wallpaper.
[17:54] <sky100> just rebooting & its all GONE
[17:54] <sky100> im quite new to LINUX
[17:55] <lordievader> not a good start... :(
[17:55] <sky100> so dunno how to Switch activities
[17:55] <sky100> i was just able to do so a few days back
[17:55] <lordievader> In the top right of your screen there is a yellow, euhh how to call that thing?, thingie...
[17:55] <lordievader> Click that thing, then click activities
[17:55] <sky100> top right !
[17:56] <lordievader> And see if switching helps.
[17:56] <sky100> i right clicked & see Activity
[17:56] <sky100> on desktop
[17:56] <sky100> right click on desktop
[17:57] <lordievader> A left click on the thing in the upper right corner will do.
[18:09] <sky100> sorry was afk....
[18:10] <sky100> but cant figure out the stuff
[18:10] <sky100> :(
[18:10] <sky100> likely updates screwed up
[18:11] <lordievader> The activities thing didn't change anything?
[18:12] <sky100> Im not seeing activity at the top right corner
[18:12] <sky100> i did right click> desktop setting > activity
[18:12] <sky100> nahh
[18:12] <sky100> sorry
[18:13] <sky100> right click > activity
[18:13] <lordievader> Hold
[18:13] <lordievader> on *
[18:13] <sky100> ok
[18:13] <lordievader> Go back to the desktop
[18:13] <sky100> u mean right click > dwesktop setting ?
[18:13] <lordievader> Do you see that yellow cashew thing in the upper right corner?
[18:13] <sky100> desk*
[18:14] <sky100> yes
[18:14] <lordievader> (left) click that
[18:14] <sky100> ok
[18:14] <lordievader> you should get a menu, with activities as the second option.
[18:14] <lordievader> click that
[18:15] <BluesKaj> don't think activities has much to do with wallpaper settings , since I don't use activities and my wallpaper is holding ok
[18:15] <BluesKaj> aand it's not from defaults
[18:15] <lordievader> you can set a different wallpaper per activity, so it could be...
[18:15] <sky100> i click on that
[18:15] <sky100> but nothing happens
[18:16] <lordievader> hmm...
[18:16] <lordievader> BluesKaj: do you know what could be the problem?
[18:17] <sky100> weird ....
[18:17] <sky100> its painful that the stuff which was doing all good.. is just stumbled upon
[18:19] <sky100> always switching back to default wallpaper
[18:19] <sky100> at every reboot
[18:24] <sky100> BRB
[18:24] <sky100> changed the wallpaper again ..gonna reboot
[18:24] <sky100> let me see... lordievader
[18:31] <georgelappies> what is the kubuntu developers channel name again>
[18:31] <lordievader> brb, need to reboot
[18:32] <BluesKaj> georgelappies,  #kubuntu-devel
[18:32] <designbybeck> Hello BluesKaj
[18:33] <BluesKaj> hi designbybeck
[18:33] <designbybeck> BluesKaj:  do you or anyone else know the Grub Config editor for KDE/Kubunut
[18:33] <designbybeck> i thought it was kde-grub-config
[18:33] <designbybeck> but when I try to install that it can't find it.... I've used it on some other machines but I can't seem to find the site i found the install instructions from
[18:34] <designbybeck> It was a nice editor and installed itself in the System Settings under Startup/Shutdown
[18:35] <BluesKaj> yes designbybeck I have it installed as well ...let me look around
[18:36] <designbybeck> I found it BluesKaj kde-config-grub2
[18:36] <designbybeck> :)
[18:37] <georgelappies_> soz, had to connect to freenode and not kubuntu irc. sorted now
[18:38] <BluesKaj> kde-config-grub2 , yup ,that's it , in the repos
[18:40] <lordievader> back
[18:43] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  did kde-config-grub2 install ok ?
[18:43] <designbybeck> yes
[18:43] <BluesKaj> good
[18:43] <designbybeck> i just coudln't remember what it was named
[18:49] <sky100> i was removing some pics from wallpaper changers folder ... then close it & as I reopen it the pics are just there
[18:49] <sky100> dont get removed
[18:49] <sky100> nay idea pls....
[18:49] <sky100> any*
[18:50] <lordievader> sky100, what wallpaper changers folder are you talking about?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> sky100 , is your Desktop Settings - Plasma Desktop Shell still populated with your own imported images after the reboot , or is it just default images?
[18:52] <sky100> just populated with 2 pics
[18:52] <lordievader> sky100, your own or the default ones?
[18:52] <sky100> as i want to remove them .. it getting removed ..but as I open plasma desktop ..its right there
[18:53] <sky100> my own & defaults as well
[18:53] <BluesKaj> so it's not saving the pics imported from your personal file ?
[18:53] <sky100> but i cant remove the pics i imported
[18:53] <sky100> yes
[18:53] <sky100> i pics i saved earlier ..just 2 of them are sticky
[18:53] <sky100> the*
[18:54] <sky100> showing as removed ..but not getting removed  truly
[18:54] <sky100> as i got back to Plasma Desktop I see them again & again ..
[18:55] <BluesKaj> why are you removing them ?
[18:55] <sky100> & even if i import pics .... its being imported & being applied & done ok..but at reboot they are gone
[18:56] <sky100> i want to delete them & get some new pics
[18:56] <sky100> & newly imported pics are just not being saved like those 2 sticky pics ..
[18:57] <sky100> thats the whole stuff setting me crazy ...
[18:57] <sky100> ;|
[18:57] <sky100> i should have the ability to remove or get pics at my will
[18:58] <BluesKaj> sky100,  ok open system settings>startup&shutdown>session management , choose the "restore previous session " option
[18:58] <sky100> can u pls show me where do I find system setting
[18:59] <BluesKaj> sky100,  Kmenu>computer
[18:59] <sky100> ok
[18:59] <sky100> got it
[19:00] <sky100> yes
[19:00] <BluesKaj> make sure you 've chosen the new wallpaper before rebooting to see if it sticks
[19:00] <sky100> start up /shut down
[19:01] <sky100> restore manually saved option ?
[19:01] <sky100> check the radio button ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> session management , choose the "restore previous session " option
[19:01] <sky100> restore previous session is checked
[19:03] <sky100> yes i haved selected that restore previous session
[19:03] <sky100> it was already selected ...anyway..
[19:03] <sky100> now....!
[19:03] <BluesKaj> oh ..bummer
[19:03] <sky100> what
[19:04] <sky100> as it was selected ....
[19:04] <sky100> thats   why...!!
[19:04] <BluesKaj> then saving the wallpaper choice isn't working for some reason
[19:04] <sky100> hmmm
[19:04] <sky100> ALL SCREWED
[19:04] <sky100> :(
[19:05] <lordievader> Perhaps a reset of KDE?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , but then he has to reset all of his other settings
[19:05] <sky100> just to disable the the updates
[19:06] <lordievader> Yea, its a worst case solution...
[19:06] <BluesKaj> renaming is athe dirty way out
[19:06] <sky100> those updates were the culprits ..i think
[19:06] <lordievader> sky100, have you done a lot of customizing?
[19:06] <sky100> nah
[19:06] <lordievader> Are you willing to sacrifice it?
[19:07] <lordievader> The customization that you have done, I mean.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> still may not work
[19:07]  * sky100 is in deep confusion
[19:07] <lordievader> That is, most unfortunatly, true.
[19:08] <sky100> Xchat customization might not work ?
[19:08] <sky100> im using that
[19:08] <BluesKaj> sky100,  ok open desktop settings ..let's walk thru this .
[19:08] <sky100> ok
[19:08] <sky100> ok
[19:08] <sky100> opened
[19:08] <BluesKaj> layout =desktop?
[19:08] <sky100> yes
[19:09] <BluesKaj> Wallpaper = image
[19:09] <sky100> YES
[19:10] <BluesKaj> when you import wallpaper images are you clicking on open in the source file . once you've chosen the image?
[19:11] <BluesKaj> or dragging them
[19:11] <sky100> clicking on..
[19:11] <BluesKaj> clicking on open creates a link to the source...dragging may not be sticky
[19:12] <sky100> no dragging
[19:12] <BluesKaj> click ok to finish
[19:13] <sky100> u mean i shd import a new image ?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yes , and try it as wall paper to see if it sticks
[19:13] <sky100> ok
[19:14] <sky100> but im sure will not stick
[19:14] <sky100> amyway
[19:14] <sky100> any*
[19:14] <sky100> gonna import a new pics
[19:14] <BluesKaj> you did this before and it didn't work obviously
[19:15] <sky100> pics im imporing is in a folder in a partition
[19:15] <BluesKaj> have you updated/upgraded today
[19:15] <sky100> i did it successfully just 2 days earlier
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:16] <sky100> YES UPDATED TODAY SOME 3 HRS BACK
[19:16] <BluesKaj> I get the feeling some update didn't install correctly
[19:16] <sky100> oh ic
[19:16] <sky100> shall I retry updatinng
[19:16] <sky100> dating*
[19:16] <lordievader> Did you update through muon?
[19:17] <lordievader> Muon software center/Muon package manager?
[19:17] <sky100> i had system notification
[19:17] <BluesKaj> sky100,  open a terminal and run,  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:17] <sky100> ok
[19:18] <lordievader> terminal = konsole, btw
[19:18] <sky100> yes
[19:18] <BluesKaj> sky100,  if there are errors then run , sudp apt-get -f install
[19:18] <BluesKaj> sudo
[19:19] <sky100> im just copy , pasting the commands u have typed in here
[19:19] <sky100> is that ok ?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> the last one should be sudo instead of sudp
[19:20] <BluesKaj> yes , that's ok ..it's the easiest
[19:20] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get -f install
[19:21] <sky100> nah ur 1st command was not doing anything
[19:21] <sky100> let me see the next
[19:21] <BluesKaj> sky100,  that's good it stll does it's job ..no errors were indicated
[19:22] <sky100> sudo apt-get -f install
[19:22] <sky100> [sudo] password for ppp:
[19:22] <sky100> Reading package lists... Done
[19:22] <sky100> Building dependency tree
[19:22] <sky100> Reading state information... Done
[19:22] <sky100> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[19:22] <FloodBotK1> sky100: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:23] <lordievader> brb, gotta switch OS
[19:24] <sky100> sorry
[19:24] <sky100> do u see my post ?
[19:24] <sky100> hello
[19:25] <sky100> hello BluesKaj
[19:25] <sky100> do u see me
[19:25] <BluesKaj> hit enter
[19:26] <sky100> i was just showing the result in terminal
[19:26] <BluesKaj> yes that's normal
[19:26] <sky100> ok
[19:26] <sky100> hit enter
[19:26] <sky100> now?
[19:26] <sky100> nothing happens
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ok , that's fine
[19:27] <sky100> ok
[19:27] <BluesKaj> now reboot to see if your wallpaper has glue :)
[19:27] <sky100> wb lordievader
[19:27] <sky100> ok
[19:27] <lordievader> thx
[19:28] <sky100> reboot & revert to
[19:28] <lordievader> did you guys found an error?
[19:30] <sky100> GONE ..:)
[19:30] <sky100> BluesKaj,
[19:30] <BluesKaj> none howed , but that could be a good thing , if some dependencies were in limbo then dpkg will have instlled or rejected the associated apps , but may not indicate '
[19:31] <BluesKaj> showed
[19:32] <BluesKaj> sky100,  ?
[19:32] <lordievader> sky100: did you happen to have updated te linux-header and linux-image packages?
[19:32] <sky100> yes
[19:32] <sky100> now i remember
[19:32] <sky100> i updated them
[19:32] <sky100> is that a BUMMER ?
[19:33] <sky100> i was not able to rem the packages i updated
[19:33] <lordievader> you could try to boot into a previous kernel, in grub you have under the default something like other versions, try booting in that one
[19:33] <lordievader> this kind of makes me scared to update those packages...
[19:34] <lordievader> just got the notification of those updates...
[19:34] <BluesKaj> not if they installed properly , run,  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , sky100
[19:34] <sky100> oh ok
[19:34] <sky100> ok
[19:34] <sky100> ran
[19:35] <sky100> i cant show the result
[19:35] <sky100> that will  be flooding
[19:35] <BluesKaj> pastebin it
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !paste
[19:37] <sky100> ran the command
[19:37] <sky100> 0 upgared , o newly installed , o to remove , o not upgraded
[19:37] <sky100> thats the bottom line
[19:37] <sky100> now...
[19:38] <sky100> its good ?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> what's gone , btw ?
[19:38] <sky100> the sticky pics in the plasma desktop folder
[19:38] <sky100> the 2 pics i spoke abt
[19:39] <BluesKaj> what about them , did the others stick ?
[19:40] <sky100> others are ok ...
[19:40] <lordievader> just ran the update myself, through a terminal, gonna check if i get the same problem
[19:40] <sky100> those are from LINUX
[19:40] <sky100> im not worried abt them
[19:40] <BluesKaj> those , meaning ?
[19:40] <sky100> just want to be able to run the wallpaper changes successfully
[19:41] <sky100> the installed wallpapers
[19:41] <BluesKaj> did you add any from your pics folder
[19:41] <sky100> yes
[19:41] <sky100> i was speaking abt them
[19:41] <BluesKaj> that's what I was asking about
[19:42] <sky100> i imported a pic from my folder , applied it
[19:42] <sky100> & its right on my desktop
[19:42] <sky100> ...
[19:42] <sky100> dunno what will happen when i reboot
[19:42] <sky100> might just go vanished
[19:42] <BluesKaj> is it saved in the desktop settings
[19:43] <BluesKaj> is it still there
[19:44] <lordievader> update succeeded, i have no problems with my wallpaper
[19:46] <BluesKaj> I'm on 12.04 and there seem to be fewer problems than 11.10 :)
[19:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> oh thats not far i want 12.04
[19:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[19:46] <lordievader> Somewhere that is very good, and somewhere that is very wierd...
[19:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> but im not doing a reload now
[19:48] <lordievader> I'll just wait to when it is officially released
[19:48] <mydogsnameisrudy> well im running tripleboot and im not into reloading
[19:49] <BluesKaj> triple boot ...BSD too ?
[19:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> winxp  linuxmint12 and kubuntu
[19:50] <lordievader> mydogsnameisrudy: the other day I thought about how cool it would be to be running 2 os'es on the same machine on the same time, guess it will never happen though...
[19:50] <lordievader> I have a feeling you don't use XP much...
[19:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> i have kubuntu and virtual xp on a dual monitor desktop works  well
[19:53] <savio> anyone tell me what is DRI accelearation on opeGL driver?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> i used to dual boot windows 7 and kubuntu on this pc , but windows was seldom used , so I dumped it
[19:53] <savio> BluesKaj:
[19:54] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya dont use it much
[19:54] <BluesKaj> Direct Rendering
[19:54] <savio> means?
[19:56] <lordievader> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure_(DRI)
[19:56] <heinkel_111> hello, does anyone know about the moonlight plugin, does it work for kubuntu?>
[19:57] <lordievader> Moonlight, as in the linux version of Silverlight?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DRM or this
[19:57] <maco> heinkel_111: yes it does, but its utility is limited because it does not have DRM support like Silverlight, so it cant work for Netflix for example
[19:57] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:57] <heinkel_111> lordievader: yes
[19:57] <maco> erm, DRM in the case I'm talking about means Digital Restrictions Management
[19:57] <maco> or Digital Rights Management
[19:57] <maco> wait i forget which one's the real name
[19:57] <maco> anyway
[19:57] <lordievader> Digital Rights Management
[19:58] <maco> the anti-piracy-annoy-the-crap-out-of-users-stuff is not supported in Moonlight
[19:58] <heinkel_111> does that mean it does not work with the tv-via-web players?
[19:58] <lordievader> Depends
[19:58] <maco> might depend on the player
[19:58] <lordievader> If they do not use DRM then you should be able to watch it
[19:58] <BluesKaj> nope DRM can be Direct Rendering Manager as well
[19:58] <maco> the only thing ive used moonlight for was to vote in the Webbys, because their poll software was moonlight for some silly reason
[19:58] <heinkel_111> but there is not a moonlight player in apt repositories for kubuntu?
[19:59] <lordievader> What browser are you using?
[19:59] <maco> BluesKaj: in the case of moonlight, we're talking about the digital rights one. it just happened to come up while you were talking graphics
[19:59] <heinkel_111> apt-cache shows no moonlight
[19:59] <BluesKaj> moonlight doesn't really work in kubuntu despite what some ppl are saying on the internet
[19:59] <heinkel_111> lordievader: rekonq, konqueror or firefox
[20:00] <maco> BluesKaj: when did it stop?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> maco,  you got it working ?
[20:00] <lordievader> http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/download.aspx
[20:00] <maco> moonlight-plugin-mozilla is the package
[20:01] <maco> BluesKaj: yes, as i said i used it to vote in the Webbys
[20:01] <lordievader> I read here that Moonlight supports Ubuntu 9.10
[20:01] <maco> 11.04 has it in the repos
[20:01] <BluesKaj> what about chromium?
[20:01] <lordievader> Disregard my link...
[20:01] <maco> moonlight-plugin-chromium
[20:01] <maco> but hmm it does seem to have been removed after natty
[20:02] <BluesKaj> chromium looks in /usr/lib/mozilla for plugins
[20:02] <heinkel_111> ...so the sun has failed and the moon is dead?
[20:02] <heinkel_111> no more moonlight, I mean :)
[20:03]  * heinkel_111 is getting closer to buying a windows funputer
[20:03] <BluesKaj> well , so much for netflix
[20:03] <maco> i'm still running natty on most systems :P
[20:03] <maco> BluesKaj: oh i never said it worked on netflix. because like i said, DRM. just that moonlight does technically work.
[20:04] <maco> i mean, it installed, it ran
[20:04] <maco> or rather, DID work...
[20:04]  * maco wishes launchpad made it clearer why a package was removed
[20:04] <BluesKaj> wemaco , it was supposed to support netflix iirc
[20:04] <BluesKaj> maco, ..sry
[20:05] <maco> when did they ever claim that?
[20:05] <maco> i never saw a claim that moonlight supported DRM
[20:05] <heinkel_111> I just downloaded the plugin
[20:06] <heinkel_111> should i stick it in /usr/lib/mozilla ?
[20:06] <BluesKaj>  I recall reading about it last yr when netflix was rumoured to be setup to run on a moonlight chromium plugin
[20:07] <heinkel_111> anyway I am not that interested in netflix it is an american outfit isnt it?
[20:07] <heinkel_111> In scandinavia we have other sources of goodness which would be nice to tap into for entertainment
[20:07] <BluesKaj>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, heinkel_111
[20:08] <heinkel_111> ie. viaplay, tv2sumo, canalplus, camoyo and stuff like that
[20:09] <heinkel_111> we watch different sports like football that you call "soccer" and stuff
[20:09] <BluesKaj> hen yeah , I tried it here in Canada when they made the big anouncement at netflix , acting as if they were doing the country a big favour ...the availble movies were garbage
[20:10] <heinkel_111> I was getting to "and we watch quality movies too" :D
[20:10] <heinkel_111> but shouldnt be spamming this channel with such discussions :)\
[20:11] <BluesKaj> the didn't have the rights to show anything worthwhile , altho reports lately say the inventory is betting better
[20:12] <BluesKaj> getting better
[20:12] <BluesKaj> #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:23] <heinkel_111> what is an xpi installer by the way?
[20:23] <heinkel_111> I just realised the moonlight came with a lot of files that probably should be in different locations
[20:24] <heinkel_111> there are even quite a few .dll files, thought that was windows stuff
[20:26] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111,  ok , then probly need to run in wine ...not sure , never tried moonlight
[20:27] <copacetic> I used this guide http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-ubuntu-12-04.html    to try to install oracle-java on 12.04, it worked on my laptop but on my desktop im getting the following result http://pastebin.com/fScckWAW   is anyone having similar problems?
[21:08] <copacetic> If anyone has problems with java and 12.04 it looks like the package i was using was having trouble downloading from oracle, I was able to hack it and make it work though
[22:51] <ElGoorf> ugh
[22:51] <ElGoorf> how do i fix this? https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-V6tMIzI1iCQ/T3JDbTVsoFI/AAAAAAAAC7I/5hLKQywJDko/s1057/IMAG0116.jpg