[12:22] <paran> rbrunhuber, mhb: install kde4base-dev and shared-mime-info, then kde4 gets much further
[12:23] <paran> at least it shows the panel for a few seconds before crashing :)
[12:24] <mhb> paran: I've tried Konsole and it worked here
[12:25] <paran> I tried a full kde4 session
[12:55] <paran> mhb: does konsole work for you if installed kde4base, but not kde4base-dev?
[12:57] <mhb> paran: not sure, as I installed -dev at the start
[01:04] <paran> ok. I think you will get the same result as me if you remove -dev.
[01:05] <mhb> it seems so
[01:08] <mhb> it has segfaulted
[01:11] <paran> it tries to use kde libs from kde3
[01:12] <rbrunhuber> paran i have installed both kde4base and kde4base-dev
[02:35] <jjesse> ping nixternal
[04:37] <dadchicken> Howdy folks.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> dadchicken!!!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: you made it!
[04:38] <jjesse> hello :)_
[04:38] <dadchicken> Yup :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: hwo was the plane flight?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse!
[04:38] <dadchicken> In excruciating pain, but made it none-the-less.
[04:38] <dadchicken> Painful.
[04:38] <dadchicken> And long.
[04:38] <jjesse> hiya sarah
[04:38] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: did you collapse again, or what?
[04:39] <jjesse> why is my connection at home always faster then the htoel rooms i have to stay at :(
[04:40] <dadchicken> No, I really hurt my left foot pretty bad when I passed out.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: ouch.
[04:40] <dadchicken> Yeah.
[04:40] <dadchicken> It's swollen to about the size of an apple sitting atop a banana.
[04:40] <dadchicken> Rather nasty.
[04:40] <dadchicken> Though these little pills make it alllll better :)
[04:40] <jjesse> what did you do dadchicken?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:41] <dadchicken> jjesse: I got severely dehydrated and passed out shortly before I left Sevilla.
[04:45] <jjesse> wow thats crazy
[04:47] <dadchicken> yup
[04:48] <dadchicken> brb
[04:55] <dadchicken> Back.
[04:56] <dadchicken> Hobbsee: The put 3 litres of IV fluid into me this afternoon.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: wow....that's impressive
[04:56] <dadchicken> Yeah.
[04:56] <dadchicken> Froze me half to death.
[04:56] <dadchicken> Room temperature liquid going into a body that is much warmer than room temperature...
[04:56] <dadchicken> I was shivering
[04:57] <Hobbsee> heh, not surprising
[04:57] <dadchicken> I'
[04:58] <dadchicken> I'll tell you though, it's very easy to get through customs and security when you've got an airport employee pushing you about in a wheelchar :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:00] <dadchicken> Pregnant women are weird.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:00] <Hobbsee> get used to it, i suspect
[05:01] <dadchicken> Yeah.
[05:50] <ScottK> dadchicken: Don't bank on getting used to it.  As soon as you do, they change.
[05:53] <jdong> dadchicken: lol
[05:54] <jdong> dadchicken: that is one of the best quotes I've heard today.... :)
[05:54] <jdong> very true though
[11:14] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: hello. do you have some time to discuss bug #112244
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112244
[11:18] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: hi there :)
[11:18] <mdhooge> I thought it was a good start for me to get into KDE source...
[11:19] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: indeed
[11:19] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: I'm reading up on the bug now
[11:19] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: this is really easy to reproduce
[11:20] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: you need something like a webserver on localhost, right?
[11:20] <mdhooge> yes, something as big as apache ;)
[11:20] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:20] <mdhooge> but I guess that even without a server the message must be different
[11:21] <_StefanS_> its up now, I will try reproducing
[11:21] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:22] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: hmm I dont have problems reaching localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> both in firefox or konqueror
[11:22] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: is knetworkmanager running?
[11:22] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: always
[11:22] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: I'm on a wired connection right now
[11:23] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: did you unplug the cable?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> well no, is that a requirement ? :)
[11:24] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: yes, when knm detects no connection available, konqy can't access localhost
[11:24] <_StefanS_> ok brb
[11:25] <_StefanS_> .
[11:26] <_StefanS_> ah I see the problem now :)
[11:26] <mdhooge> strange, no?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> very.. did you see fdoving's comment to the bug, btw?
[11:27] <mdhooge> quite annoying when you have a laptop
[11:28] <mdhooge> yes, but the simplest workaround is to use FF
[11:28] <_StefanS_> yea
[11:28] <_StefanS_> I use FF, so I never saw it
[11:28] <_StefanS_> hmm..
[11:28] <mdhooge> I use both, and for "local stuff", I try to stick to konqy
[11:29] <_StefanS_> fdovings comment indicates that there might be a bug outside knm then
[11:29] <_StefanS_> because the /etc/hosts file is correct
[11:30] <mdhooge> what's strange is that as soon as you quit KNM, konq can access localhost again
[11:30] <mdhooge> I thought KNM was purely a GUI feedback...
[11:30] <_StefanS_> oh.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> well it communicates with networkmanager in the background
[11:31] <_StefanS_> hmm
[11:31] <mdhooge> so there's some kind of link between the 3 of them
[11:32] <_StefanS_> I need to check what difference quitting knetworkmanager does
[11:32] <_StefanS_> brb
[11:32] <mdhooge> ok
[11:34] <mdhooge> ping me when you're back
[11:34] <_StefanS_> check /var/log/syslog
[11:34] <_StefanS_> well, I need to check /var/log/syslog thats what i meant
[11:35] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey !
[11:35] <_StefanS_> show me the money !!!!
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how are you ?
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fine fine, did you get a new job or ?
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is frode arround ?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: haven't seen him, no.
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bah I have a new job yep, but the same than during the last month
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have an interesting bug for you..... interested ?
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I noticed that with the latest patch for clean umount dialog by frode (kdebase / kubuntu_95_safely-remove_umount_dialog.diff), there is no way to unmount an audiocd
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the reason is that an audiocd icon on the desktop isn't using the true path, but the audiocd:/ protocol
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy fixing this ?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I would like to help if I hadn't swapped my one cdrom for a new harddrive :D
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that really annoying issue.... I'm pretty sure the fix is trivial
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could probably hook up an usb cdrom later, and look at it.
[11:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, the only thing is to make an exception for audiocd;/
[11:38] <Tonio_> there shouldn't be any need to test
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was actually trying to add LEAP support for knetworkmanager, but mdhooge pointed out that there was a bug for accessing localhost/<IP_ADDRESS> when the network cable/wireless is off
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got any ideas?
[11:39] <Tonio_> leap ?
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/112244
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:39] <Tonio_> to what I know it may work with the svn version..... I'm unsure on that point
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cisco's lightweight
[11:39] <Tonio_> I was supposed to work on knm next week
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ?
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: with what?
[11:39] <Tonio_> with lea
[11:39] <Tonio_> leap
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: haha thats funny :)
[11:40] <Tonio_> no idea concerning that konqueror and localhost
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Quitting knetworkmanager makes you able to access localhost/<IP_ADDRESS> again
[11:40] <mdhooge> very strange behaviour for me !!
[11:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bug 112244 may not be a bug
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and <IP_ADDRESS> in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112244
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so it seems that when networkmanager is 'active' there's no lookup for localhost/<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: no ?
[11:40] <Tonio_> I assume their knm isn't connected and therefore the offline mode is turned on
[11:40] <_StefanS_> a feature ? :D
[11:41] <Tonio_> exactly ;)
[11:41] <mdhooge> FF can still access localhost
[11:41] <Tonio_> mdhooge: FF doesn't deal with kde's offline mode
[11:41] <mdhooge> yes, I guesses so :)
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont you agree that localhost should be accesible even if youre offline ?
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: agree on that point
[11:42] <Tonio_> looks like offline mode disables the all naming resolution, even local
[11:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  yes!
[11:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hard to fix.......
[11:42] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: there you have it ...
[11:42] <mdhooge> and when you quit KNM, the offline mode is "released"?
[11:42] <mdhooge> i mean "by KNM?"
[11:43] <_StefanS_> yea that puzzles me aswell
[11:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we should patch offline mode in kdelibs to make an exception for localhost and <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:43] <Tonio_> mdhooge: I don't think so :)
[11:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we should, because say you have a laptop and develop websites
[11:43] <Tonio_> mdhooge: I don't think knm restores the mode on stop
[11:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I know :)
[11:44] <mdhooge> Tonio_: so why quitting KNM enables konqy to access localhost
[11:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and just want to test if it works on konquorer... then it fails :D
[11:44] <Tonio_> mdhooge: when you connect knm disables the offline mode
[11:44] <Tonio_> then it works
[11:44] <_StefanS_> ah ofcourse.
[11:44] <mdhooge> Tonio_: No, I meant, when you're offline, if you quit KNM, konqy can access localhost again!
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: know where to start, because I have a patch for ksmserver anyways this week
[11:45] <Tonio_> but patching knm to change offline mode to its default value on quit is a nice idea
[11:45] <Tonio_> mdhooge: hum maybe that implemented then........ I don't know the all knm code
[11:45] <Tonio_> mdhooge: then that's it
[11:45] <Tonio_> quite knm
[11:45] <Tonio_> quit knm
[11:45] <Tonio_> that's a feature, not a bug :)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: please ;)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds kinda odd, dont you think
[11:46] <mdhooge> Tonio_: I'm trying hard convincing myself that KNM is good for me!
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i think we should straigthen it out, so that it works similar to FF, regardless if it knows about kde offline mode or not
[11:46] <mdhooge> So if I must quit it every time I want to access a local page when I'm abroad...
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: for the sake of logic
[11:47] <mdhooge> BTW, I discovered it trying to access dpkg-www when offline - not even developping website
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: know about this: May 14 11:33:10 sfs-laptop NetworkManager: <WARNING>^I nm_spawn_process (): nm_spawn_process('/usr/sbin/nscd -i hosts'): could not spawn process. (Failed to execute child process "/usr/sbin/nscd" (No such file or directory))
[11:47] <_StefanS_> nscd?
[11:48] <_StefanS_> name service cache daemon.. hmm
[11:49] <mdhooge> I tried with <IP_ADDRESS> with same result - so not related to NS?
[11:49] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: its not it seems
[11:51] <mdhooge> is he trying sth? ;)
[11:56] <_StefanS_> probably
[11:57] <_StefanS_> I was just away talking to a coworker
[11:59] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: I'm kind of confused now..
[12:03] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: confused about what?
[12:03] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: newbie question: where are stored strings like "An error occurred while loading"?
[12:04] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: I tried grepping them in kdebasebut with no result
[12:04] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: I think it corresponds to a standard errormessage, but I'm not sure where its located
[12:05] <mdhooge> I'm apt-getting kdelibs also
[12:06] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: ./knetworkmanager-0.1/knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager-state.cpp:State::setOfflineMode ..
[12:07] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: m_serviceStub->setNetworkStatus( KDED_NETWORK_NAME, NetworkStatus::Offline );
[12:08] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: maybe we should patch knm to not changing the networkstatus
[12:09] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: is there a risk to break sthg else?
[12:09] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: well that is what I'm thinking hard about right now.. :D
[12:09] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: We need to ask Riddell and Tonio_ for their ideas on that..
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are you there ?
[12:10] <mdhooge> _StefanS_: I think teaching KDE that localhost is still available even when offline would be better...
[12:10] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: indeed.
[12:11] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: Im getting the source of networkstatus now, to see if it contains something useful
[12:12] <mdhooge> strange: I don't have the line m_serviceStub->setNetworkStatus in the source I apt-got?
[12:12] <mdhooge> but I do have the bug
[12:12] <mdhooge> !
[12:13] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: you need to apply the patches ;)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: sudo make -f debian/rules apply-patches
[12:13] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: then it'll probably be there
[12:13] <mdhooge> stupid me!
[12:14] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: you can just debuild -nc it too , if you want
[12:16] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: an easy fix would be to remove the networkstatus as fdoving stated
[12:16] <_StefanS_> mdhooge: seems like kde offline is generally bad for you :D
[12:16] <_StefanS_> I'm going for launch.. be back in 30mins
[12:17] <mdhooge> bon apptit
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato!
[12:30] <Jucato> back home?
[12:30] <Jucato> nice :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> yeah.  36 hours later.
[12:32] <Jucato> aw... didn't you do a bit of sightseeing and roaming around? :D
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, did some of that :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> over the week
[12:34] <Jucato> nice nice :)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> even went on a horse and carriage ride
[12:35] <Jucato> oooh fancy :D
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:37] <Jucato> they should have taken a pic of you :D
[12:37] <Jucato> Queen Hobbsee :D
[12:38] <kwwii> she did look quite stately
[12:38] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[12:38] <kwwii> btw, the group pic is up on http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii
[12:38] <Jucato> hi kwwii!!!
[12:38] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[12:39] <Hobbsee> heya kwwii!
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, group shot!
[12:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: very nice :)
[12:42] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:42] <kwwii> never ask me to photoshop you into a pic ;-)
[12:43] <Jucato> hehe
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:47] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee and Jucato
[12:47] <_StefanS_> kwiiiiiiiiii
[12:47] <Hobbsee> heya _StefanS_!
[12:47] <_StefanS_> so when are you going to see some documents as to where Kubuntu is heading for busty hippo, or whatever it is called...  :)
[12:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:50] <_StefanS_> hopping hippo
[12:50] <_StefanS_> might be the next good name
[01:03] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Played around with the kde4 packages, but they keep crashing here too.
[01:03] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: great. Its the same all over :D
[01:04] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: Guess we want to wait for a more mature version :)
[01:06] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Yeah, I thougt it would be more shiny. So I'll wait (if necessary until the hopping hippo makes the earth quake :-) ).
[01:08] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I just read you are hacking on knm. Is it a "regression" that kdepim again shows pop ups if it lost connection?
[01:13] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: err, well I can't tell you actually, because I was thinking out loud in the channel, and dont really have any idea as to where kdepim fits in the equation :D
[01:13] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: to start with I was just going to add leap support for knm, but then Tonio_ told me that it was something he was set out to do :)
[01:16] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I saw that knm has no support for x509 certificates for wlan but wpasupplicant has. This would be great if this could be added to the gui, so one need not to rip  the .x509 certificate in peaces with openssl which to me is quite painfull.
[01:17] <_StefanS_> uhm, well sounds like a reasonable thing
[01:19] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Has two advantages: 1. I can just export and use my certificate in the company from the ad 2. just 1 instead of 3 lines for wpa_supplicant. wap_supplicant uses everything (ca cert, user cert and private key from the .x509)
[01:19] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: ah the x509 is an all inclusive kinda thing (been long time since I messed with certs)
[01:20] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : what you get from your personal certificate store in windows is a "pfx" that contains all three (ca, user cert and priv key)
[01:21] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: yep, remember that now
[01:21] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I have been involved with novell/eDir and revocation of certificates and stuff
[01:21] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well, do you use TLS or TTLS ?
[01:22] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: seems like even though you specify WPA/WPA2, wpa_supplicant supports WEP encryption also
[01:23] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : As far as i know it is tls (don't have the config handy now) but i have no access to the router so i have a more or less one fits all configuration.
[01:23] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: read that somewhere, but sounds plausible as you are already encrypting inside the tunnel regardless of the AP security
[01:23] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I have a few wrt54g lying around I could test that on, i guess
[01:25] <rbrunhuber> we use a dlink 2100 ap here, with afaik wpa-eap-tls and authenticates with certificates against a MS Windows 2003 radius server.
[01:26] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : the named configuration works well in with linux. I get a link and ip address.
[01:26] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: named?
[01:26] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: sorry missed the first line
[01:27] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: we use a dlink 2100 ap here, with afaik wpa-eap-tls and authenticates with certificates against a MS Windows 2003 radius server.
[01:27] <_StefanS_> right, I have messed alot with freeradius and the above mentioned edir combination, so I might be able to put something together
[01:27] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: could you please create a bug, and make it a feature request
[01:27] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: guess that will kind of make rolling a bit as well
[01:27] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I'll do.
[01:28] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: great
[01:30] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: please provide mockup in the whole way you can !
[01:30] <_StefanS_> mockups
[01:31] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Ok have to reenable my gimp knowledge :-)
[01:31] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: kolourpain(t) will do
[01:32] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Oh my god i got the evil kolourpain :-)
[01:32] <_StefanS_> hehe
[01:35] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well I think it would be a good idea to have knm accept x509 directly, to aid usability in mixed evironments
[01:35] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: LEAP would be nice too, as I know the gnome counterpart has that support already
[01:36] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: and infact I need it here at work too :D
[04:32] <manchicken> Riddell: I think you were right.  I think I've got the mad bacon disease.
[04:32] <jjesse> morning
[04:32] <manchicken> Howdy.
[04:32] <jjesse> how are you manchicken?
[04:32] <manchicken> Shitty.
[04:33] <manchicken> My temp is 103.8'F
[04:33] <jjesse> wow that sucks
[04:33] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:35] <ScottK> manchicken: With a high fever you can take Ibuprofen and Tylenol both to get the fever down (they act on different mechanisms and don't conflict) - This I found out after having kids.  FYI.  YMMV.  Don't sue me if it doesn't work out, etc.
[04:35] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm on Tylenol3 for my foot, so I can't take anymore Tylenol, but I have been hitting the IBP regularly.
[04:36] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[04:36] <Jucato> how about just paracetamol?
[04:36] <manchicken> Don't know that.
[04:36] <Jucato> manchicken: hope you get well soon
[04:36] <manchicken> I'm on some mean anti-biotics.
[04:36] <Jucato> ah
[04:36] <manchicken> They say I should feel better tomorrow.
[04:36] <Jucato> I'm on some antibiotics as well
[04:36] <ScottK> Jucato: IIRC that requires a perscription in the US.
[04:36] <manchicken> I think JR was right.  It's gotta be the mad bacon disease.
[04:36] <Jucato> ScottK: really? wow!
[04:37] <Jucato> it's an over the counter drug here. the most common medicine for fevers
[04:37] <ScottK> Jucato: If it's what I think it is.  Names vary.
[04:38] <Jucato> lol! it seems to be the generic name for Tylenol :)
[04:38] <Jucato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
[04:38] <ScottK> Ah, nevermind then.
[04:38] <manchicken> Acetametophin(sp) is what we have in Tylenol in the US.
[04:38] <Jucato> well, at least that's what WP tells me. I think the only medicien our countries have in common would be Advil :D
[04:39] <ScottK> manchicken: I'll just note for the record that even though the Ibuprofen bottle says the dosage is 200mg mostly with 400mg OK sometimes, the perscription strength Ibuprofen is availalbe up to 800mg pills.
[04:39] <Jucato> "The active ingredient of its original, flagship product, acetaminophen (called paracetamol outside of North America)..."
[04:39] <manchicken> ScottK: Yeah.
[04:39] <jjesse> when my brother had knee surgery he was taking 1600mg of ibuprofen at a time
[04:39] <ScottK> Jucato: IIRC Advil is a brand name for Ibuprofen.
[04:39] <manchicken> Jucato: Ah.  Very nice.
[04:40] <manchicken> ScottK: Sugar-coated Ibuprofen.
[04:40] <Jucato> ScottK: yeah
[04:40] <manchicken> Goes down smooth.
[04:40] <ScottK> OTOH, if your temp is that high, you may not be at all qualified to decide what you should be taking.
[04:40] <Jucato> ugh! I think I need to take some myself...
[04:40] <manchicken> I was told to keep pumping the fluids, take my meds, and just chill.
[04:40] <jjesse> lots of sleep :)
[04:40] <Jucato> and be offline :)
[04:41] <Jucato> or at least afk :P
[04:41] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:41] <manchicken> I'm checking my temp again.
[04:41] <hunger> Is there fix for knetworkmanager in the pipe?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hunger: depends on how exactly it's broken
[04:42] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna go watch cartoons now.
[04:42] <manchicken> Later.
[04:42] <hunger> Hobbsee: You are just too nice to take the easy way out;-)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> bye manchicken|away!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hunger: :P
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hunger: well, you did give a very general question
[04:43] <hunger> Hobbsee: I get something about no libnetworkmanager being there.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, right
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine so, at some point
[04:46] <hunger> Hobbsee: So do I:-)
[04:46] <hunger> Hobbsee: I am pretty positive it will be fixed in gutsy:-)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hunger: likely.  you could do the network manager merge, which would probably fix the problem
[04:48] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nope, I can't. All the debs I ever touched turned out worse than before.
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian!
[04:48] <jjesse> boo
[04:49] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[04:50] <jjesse> hello bddebian
[04:50] <bddebian> Hi jjesse
[05:16] <\sh> kwwii, pingeling...dude, I have one spare bed at linuxtag in a flat...wanna join the greatest kubuntu-booth-team ever? ,-)
[05:16] <kwwii> \sh: unfortunately I will be in italy at a meeting and cannot attend linuxtag :-(
[05:16] <kwwii> up until last week I was planning to go
[05:16] <\sh> kwwii, damn..now I need another cool guy/gal to help us ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dont look at me :P
[05:17] <kwwii> I'm sure you can find someone
[05:17] <\sh> I hope it too :)
[05:30] <\sh> kwwii, btw...I wonder what made you look so frightend, when Jono put his hands around you ;)
[05:31] <kwwii> \sh: where did you see that pic?
[05:31] <\sh> kwwii, planet.ubuntu.com posting of mirco :)
[05:32] <\sh> I hope it's you....or you changed your outfit completly ;)
[05:33] <kwwii> lol, very nice
[05:33] <raphink> hi guys
[05:33] <kwwii> as usual, I was actively trying to be stupid
[05:39] <\sh> kwwii, hehe...
[05:43] <\sh> bbl
[06:38] <apachelogger> \sh_away: ping
[07:01] <giangy> 'evening guys :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:02] <giangy> hayo Hobbsee
[07:46] <Trevinho> Am I in the wrong place for reporting problems with knut (kde4) packages for kubuntu.org ?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> no
[07:47] <Trevinho> ok...
[07:47] <Trevinho> well, I've tried running it
[07:47] <Trevinho> in all ways
[07:47] <Hobbsee> packaging bug, or kde breakage?
[07:47] <toma> no?
[07:47] <Trevinho> the 2nd Hobbsee
[07:47] <Hobbsee> toma: didnt think so - depending on what it is
[07:47] <Trevinho> I mean, both using some my scripts and following kubuntu.org instructions....
[07:47] <Hobbsee> then you probably want to file it upstream somewhere
[07:47] <Trevinho> running startkde
[07:47] <Trevinho> doesn't work
[07:48] <toma> Trevinho: it's an alpha, dont run it, it's for developers ;-)
[07:48] <Trevinho> I know toma :P
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, but if you're not running what kde distributes, then dont expect it to work
[07:48] <Trevinho> but I think it should start, isn't it? :)
[07:48] <Trevinho> no, Hobbsee I'm running all distributed by kubuntu.org
[07:49] <Hobbsee> so what are the your scripts?
[07:49] <Trevinho> some scripts for launching startkde, that pratically did what written on kubuntu.org
[07:49] <Trevinho> but I did them before of readin these infos :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> then you probably want to report it to the kde bugtracker
[07:49] <Hobbsee> making sure that your scripts are nto to blame
[07:50] <Trevinho> however using both Xnest and X (kdm session), whe I launch startkde something goes wrong
[07:50] <Hobbsee> !doesntwork
[07:50] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:50] <toma> ;-) ^ nice text
[07:51] <Trevinho> I don't have made a gdb backtrace yet, but actually I get this: http://pastebin.ca/487825
[07:51] <Trevinho> Hobbsee: I knew, I was just pasting... :)
[07:52] <Trevinho> pratically, it loads until a bin (kdeload or something like that :P) is killed, then it closes
[07:53] <Hobbsee> you want to talk to #kde or something then
[07:53] <Hobbsee> if it's not a packaging error
[07:53] <Hobbsee> as they're actually coding it
[07:53] <Trevinho> mh
[07:53] <apachelogger> #kde-devel that would be
[07:53] <Trevinho> ok, but maybe I should install kde4base-dev before....
[07:53] <Trevinho> :)
[07:54] <toma> Trevinho: try xephyr, works great http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Launching_KDE_4_sessions
[07:54] <Trevinho> yeah, toma
[07:54] <Trevinho> I used that
[07:55] <Trevinho> however, about packaging
[07:56] <Trevinho> you surely know (also because it was said on some irc logs), but installing kde4 from kubuntu packages removes the kubuntu-desktop since it  had to remove some qt4libs that now are called in another way....
[07:57] <apachelogger> Trevinho: problem with that is....?
[07:58] <Trevinho> well, some software that depends on qt4-core are removed
[07:59] <Trevinho> like the bug-notifier and others qt4 based tools
[07:59] <Hobbsee> i believe that's because the porting isnt finished yet?
[07:59] <Trevinho> so maybe the new installed libs should have a provides field with the standard name...
[08:00] <apachelogger> erm
[08:00] <apachelogger> Trevinho: the new libs != the old libs
[08:00] <toma> Can we do a Kubuntu meeting somewhere in the near future, we haven't done one in ages
[08:00] <apachelogger> taht why they are new libs
[08:00] <apachelogger> they are a development snapshot from kde svn
[08:00] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah.  this week.
[08:00] <apachelogger> currently it would be 4.3rc1
[08:00] <Trevinho> mh, ok... so putting them in another dir maybe
[08:01] <toma> Hobbsee: ok, is there a date yet?
[08:01] <apachelogger> would make a hell of troubles when compiling
[08:01] <apachelogger> ...qt4 software
[08:01] <Hobbsee> toma: none.  i've not been home for that long yet
[08:01] <apachelogger> beacuse then you have 2 qt4 installed
[08:01] <apachelogger> not the most perfect situation I imagine
[08:02] <toma> Hobbsee: ok, i'll leave it to you then
[08:02] <toma> (not my job to poke people)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> toma: mainly because i dont remember my uni timetable and such
[08:02] <Hobbsee> toma: and i'm probably the least flexible person
[08:03] <Trevinho> sure apachelogger... but considering that newer libs are used just by devs, they can that to develop kde4 software should use the new libs :)
[08:03] <Trevinho> btw it isn't a problem
[08:04] <apachelogger> result -> if you're not a dev you shouldn't install it and kubuntu-desktop doesn't get removed and other qt4 apps don't get removed either
[08:05] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: got a second or two?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yeah
[08:06] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5031
[08:06] <apachelogger> W: libkhalkhi0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkhalkhicore0 libkhalkhigui0
[08:07] <apachelogger> says lintian
[08:07] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i dont have that much
[08:07] <apachelogger> but
[08:07] <apachelogger> just a question
[08:07] <apachelogger> currently the lib package includes:
[08:07] <apachelogger> debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkhalkhi*.so.*
[08:07] <apachelogger> debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/khalkhi*
[08:08] <apachelogger> and I don't know where to store the lib/kde3 stuff when spliting the libs package into libkhalkhicore0 and libkhalkhigui0
[08:08] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: any suggestion on that?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> ask in #ubuntu-motu - i've got no idea
[08:08] <apachelogger> k
[08:16] <MidMark> Riddell: sorry but I want only to know if kdebase is compiled with -O3 flag
[08:22] <allee> toma, Hobbsee: didn't we plan to do a meeting wednesday next week if possible?  AFAIR  Riddell told us that he away this week.
[08:22] <allee> ^^ and hi
[08:24] <Hobbsee> allee: ah yes, next week.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> i didnt commit to a day, because i havent found my timetable yet
[08:24] <jjesse> was that a kubuntu mtg?
[08:24] <toma> allee: ok,next weeks will be a bit difficult for me though
[08:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes
[08:25] <jjesse> awesome, hopefully i'll be able to attend
[08:25] <Hobbsee> oh hi MidMark
[08:26] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/99372 hasnt been fixed yet because no one has stepped up to od it.  if you're interested, and have the hardware, how about you try?
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99372 in kdebase "[Feisty]  KDE Printing Manager does not list the PPDs of Gutenprint" [High,Confirmed]
[08:28] <MidMark> Hobbsee: hi, try what? Yes I have hardware....
[08:30] <nixternal> JR said he is on holiday this week, and next week I have no school...woohoo!
[08:30] <Hobbsee> MidMark: try to fix the bug.
[08:30] <nixternal> out for a whole week and then right back into it
[08:32] <MidMark> Hobbsee: to fix? wow... well I have only read that removing O3 make it works, so the question above
[08:35] <Hobbsee> test it :)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> MidMark: faster machine helps :P
[09:15] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I have an athlon x2 4400+
[09:19] <MidMark> Hobbsee: anyway knowing first which flags are used can preserve me wasting time compiling...
[09:20] <Hobbsee> it's not listed in debian/rules or something?
[09:20] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure wher ehte standard flags are done, actually
[09:21] <MidMark> Hobbsee: don't know where flags are listed
[10:54] <Riddell> MidMark: look at the build logs on launchpad.net
[10:54] <Riddell> allee: yes, please organise a meeting
[11:01] <Riddell> nixternal: group photo for fridge story http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=496840669&size=l
[11:01] <Riddell> sladen was late to the shoot
[11:34] <kwwii> sweet
[11:34] <kwwii> please use that one


[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[12:50] <obounaim> Hi
[12:51] <obounaim> What is the difference between "https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html" and "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+localpackagediffs"
[12:55] <siretart> obounaim: the mechanism and tools that create them
[20:30] <Noskcaj> slangasek, debian will only take the autoconf patch if they have an explanation of why it exists. Is there one?
[20:31] <slangasek> Noskcaj: not from me; it's not my patch. You'll need to look at the package history
[20:31] <Noskcaj> slangasek, i did, i couldn't find anything other than a changelog entry. I was hoping you'd know.
[20:32] <slangasek> afraid not
[20:32] <slangasek> did you check the bzr history?
[20:32] <Noskcaj> yeah, nothing
[20:36] <slangasek> Noskcaj: so this patch was added back when Scott was actively maintaining libtool, at least if Ubuntu if not in Debian.  But I can't sort out why it was ever needed.  I would suggest dropping the patch and making autoconf a sync.
[20:36] <slangasek> autoreconf already supports autodetecting if libtool is used, and if it's not used I don't see why we care about running libtoolize
[20:37] <Noskcaj> ok. Should i file a sync bug now or wait until the next debian release?
[20:38] <slangasek> Noskcaj: the sync should be done instead of the merge you proposed, AFAICS
[20:38] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll do that later today.
[20:38] <slangasek> cool, thanks
[21:09] <Noskcaj> bug 1214138