[00:00] <Cakester> maco, please unban. what hoober did is nothing compared to how my dad just went
[00:00] <Pici> Cakester: What channel are you asking about?
[00:01] <Cakester> #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:04] <Pici> Cakester: Do you recall why you were banned from those channels?
[00:05] <Cakester> yes, and i don't want it to happen again. i had a terrible day today. someone treated me in real life as bad and maybe worse depending on your perspective
[00:06] <bazhang> also in -women
[00:06] <IdleOne> for that ban he will have to go to -irc
[00:07] <bazhang> yep
[00:07] <elky> The -women one isn't being lifted until we see evidence of a drastic improvement in behaviour
[00:07] <bazhang> it's only been 48 hrs afaict
[00:13] <IdleOne> as far as I am concerned, I won't remove the ban in #ubuntu. I don't believe you understand how disgusting and inappropriate your behavior was.
[00:14] <TELL0_> hello!!!
[00:15] <TELL0_> someone here know how to run two instances of AWN at the same time?
[00:15] <IdleOne> TELL0_: this is not a support channel
[00:16] <TELL0_> where can I go?
[00:17] <maco> Cakester: i have placed no bans on you that i know of
[00:17] <IdleOne> TELL0_: you can try #awn
[00:17] <TELL0_> thank u
[00:18] <Pici> TELL0_: You were forwarded here due to your behavior in #ubuntu.
[00:18] <TELL0_> ???
[00:18] <TELL0_> I came here by my own way
[00:19] <Pici> TELL0_: This is #ubuntu-ops, not #ubuntu
[00:19] <TELL0_> I though here I could find some help... I'm new using XChat, dont know how it work...
[00:20] <Pici> TELL0_: We forced a redirection from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-ops due to your behavior the last time you left #ubuntu.
[00:20] <Pici> Perhaps this will ring a bell: "2010-08-06T16:54:08 <KernelCrash23> I came here for help and I got nothing.
[00:21] <TELL0_> sorry about that... was a bad day and nobody help me
[00:22] <TELL0_> I was just getting sarcasm from people
[00:25] <Pici> TELL0_: May I ask you to review the IRC Guidelines listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines before I remove the banforward?
[00:26] <TELL0_> checking
[00:31] <TELL0_> done... I'm sorry about the last time
[00:31] <TELL0_> I'm not like that
[00:31] <Pici> TELL0_: one moment.
[00:32] <Pici> TELL0_: Okay, you're all set.
[00:33] <TELL0_> thank you Pici. I'm new here and starting usin IRC
[00:33] <Pici> TELL0_: Just keep our guidelines in mind and you should be fine.
[00:34] <TELL0_> I didn't meant doing that, but I was looking for help and I was getting sarcasm from people that "know"
[00:34] <TELL0_> I'll keep guidelines in mine from now on
[00:34] <TELL0_> thank you
[00:37] <bazhang> Cakester, you recall why you were banned? did you wish to resolve this? if not then please don't idle here
[00:42] <Cakester> bazhang, i am sorry i was discussing the incident i had today with my parents
[00:43] <Cakester> bazhang, i was banned for being a vulgar loose canon (cannon?)
[00:56] <Cakester> is this volunteer work
[00:56] <Cakester> can i become an OP. as you all seem to have your hands full
[00:56] <Cakester> and doing nothing :`(
[00:57] <Cakester> IdleOne, you come here often?
[00:59] <Cakester> whoa
[00:59] <Cakester> jayne is herE? Hey Jayne
[00:59] <Cakester> this is the guy from #windows that one night. i talked about a girl i met on diablo 1
[00:59] <Cakester> you gave me help
[01:00] <Cakester> hello?
[01:11] <Cakester> Pici?
[01:14] <Seeker`> Cakester: I'm not familiar with what happened, so I cannot remove the ban
[01:14] <Seeker`> but based on the statements made earlier by other ops, I suggest that you leave this channel for at least another 24 hours
[01:15] <Seeker`> Cakester: and then speak with the op that banned you
[01:16] <Cakester> what no way
[01:16] <Cakester> another 24
[01:16] <Cakester> that would be like 4 days
[01:16] <Cakester> which is not 72 hours
[01:17] <Seeker`> bazhang said it was only 48 hours
[01:17] <Seeker`> and that was about an hour ago
[01:17] <Seeker`> 48+1 != 72
[01:20] <Cakester> what
[01:20] <Cakester> this morning
[01:20] <Cakester> at 1am
[01:20] <Seeker`> -23:07:39- :bazhang+: it's only been 48 hrs afaict
[01:20] <Cakester> i had 48 hours done
[01:20] <Cakester> so at 1am
[01:20] <Cakester> tomorrow
[01:20] <Cakester> i am 72 ?
[01:20] <Seeker`> that was 1 hour 10 mins ago
[01:21] <Cakester> he/she is wrong. it has been 2 days for sure
[01:21] <Cakester> and now it is 8:22 pm
[01:21] <Cakester> i am  close to my 3 days i thought
[01:21] <Seeker`> IdleOne and Flannel set the bans, as far as I'm concerned, they are the ones that need to remove them
[01:22] <Cakester> IdleOne, stop being a idle and exit your python IDLE
[01:22] <Cakester> pleaes
[01:22] <Seeker`> Flannel is afk, and has been for a long time
[01:23] <Seeker`> IdleOne has been away for over an hour
[01:23] <Seeker`> Like I said, I suggest you leave this channel for now
[01:28] <Seeker`> Have fun with that one, whoever wakes up next
[01:29] <Seeker`> o/
[01:51] <maco> ughhh cakester is in -bugs now
[01:54] <elky> Seeker`, Oh I won't be having fun. He clearly has no intention to be sensible, so I have no intention of enabling him to be not-sensible in more places than is really necessary.
[02:21] <androidrocks135> what does it take to get banned over here?
[03:43] <bazhang> seems to be just trolling in -bugs
[03:49] <elky> Our decision is made for us.
[03:52] <IdleOne> he will be back here in about 2 hours looking to have his bans removed
[03:52] <IdleOne> I have sen to reason to remove the ban.
[03:53] <IdleOne> seen*
[03:55] <bazhang> no reason I guess you mean
[03:56] <IdleOne> err
[03:56] <IdleOne> yeah
[03:56] <IdleOne> seen NO reason
[04:23] <androidrocks135> hi
[04:23] <bazhang> hi
[04:23] <androidrocks135> What does it take to get banned?
[04:23] <bazhang> that is an odd question
[04:24] <androidrocks135> I'm interested.
[04:24] <IdleOne> androidrocks135: the langfauge you used in #ubuntu is a good example
[04:24] <IdleOne> language*
[04:24] <androidrocks135> awesome.  I might try that now.
[04:24] <bazhang> ?
[04:25] <IdleOne> I banned him for swearing after giving him a !language and !attitude
[04:25] <IdleOne> guess he finds it amusing to come here and ask how to get banned
[04:25] <bazhang> not sure how he could 'try it' then
[04:26] <IdleOne> me either
[04:26] <IdleOne> I thought he meant he was going to try in this channe;
[04:26] <IdleOne> channel
[04:37] <magn3ts> Hello. I feel that this needs to be placed in a factoid or somewhere that is easy for people to find, particularly when googling. This was very frustrating and I can't really come to understand how this information didn't exist in a more easily consumable form until now, considering that ubuntu ships this as a user usable feature: http://cole.mickens.us/2010/08/09/manual-data-recovery-with-ecryptfs-and-ubuntu/
[04:45] <IdleOne> magn3ts: I suggest creating a page at help.ubuntu.com and then resubmitting as a factoid to ubottu
[05:13] <Cakester> hello
[05:14] <Cakester> this is hoober, 72 hours have past, yes?
[05:14] <Cakester> passed
[05:14] <Cakester> for sure
[05:15] <Cakester> um
[05:21] <Cakester> Do you need my Fingerprint or Key type/ID
[05:22] <IdleOne> for what purpose?
[05:22] <Cakester> verification
[05:22] <Cakester> I also signed the code of conduct
[05:22] <IdleOne> What made you decide to sign the code of conduct?
[05:23] <Cakester> In school we had Code of Conducts. When read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, I couldn't help but to agree
[05:24] <IdleOne> Cakester: Could you tell me exactly why you were banned in #ubuntu?
[05:25] <Cakester> I found it! https://launchpad.net/~bryan-r59
[05:26] <IdleOne> Cakester: Could you tell me exactly why you were banned in #ubuntu?
[05:26] <Cakester> IdleOne, my name was Hoober.  That was another man
[05:28] <Cakester> He had a similar host I believe, but they should not be exactly the same
[05:28] <IdleOne> Cakester: it was either you or someone you asked to do it for you.
[05:29] <Cakester> I was in communication with some people in another IRC, when I wanted to talk to them about the situation I got into, they only made it worse and i am sorry
[05:30] <IdleOne> Cakester: Do you understand what Signing the code of conduct means?
[05:30] <Cakester> Yes I agreed to the terms in the text file I downloaded
[05:31] <IdleOne> I understand that you agreed to the terms and signed it but I would like you to tell me in your own words what it means
[05:31] <Cakester> The stuff between the '''   '''
[05:31] <Cakester> ok
[05:32] <Cakester> It means resolve situations respectfully, work as a team, know when to be humble?
[05:33] <IdleOne> Do you believe the your behavior in the past 4 days is compliant to the code of conduct?
[05:33] <Cakester> I don't see how signing the code of conduct could not help me be a better developer
[05:33] <Cakester> ok um
[05:33] <Cakester> well I do not want to repeat the behavior that took place over the past 4 days again.. ever
[05:34] <Cakester> The law is written there in the code of conduct, one does not simply lose his principles after agreeing to that
[05:35] <IdleOne> What I am trying to get to is that in the past 4 days you managed to be banned in 3 Ubuntu irc channels, you harassed at least one person on irc that I know of, by following the person into more then one channel and specifically targeting her with questions and by sending pm's.
[05:36] <IdleOne> you also did not take the advice of several ops in this channel and wait the full 72 hours as requested before coming back here
[05:36] <Cakester> Honestly, I ran into Maco more because she was in most of the channels
[05:37] <bazhang> hard to believe
[05:37] <Cakester> i must be an hour or two away
[05:37] <IdleOne> I think it is commendable that you signed the code of conduct and I hope that you take it serious. At this time I don't feel that is enough to remove the ban in #ubuntu.
[05:38] <IdleOne> Cakester: before you leave...
[05:38] <Cakester> ?
[05:39] <IdleOne> I would like to see you prove to us that you have changed your ways.
[05:40] <Cakester> ok accomplishments? I wrote a tutorial last night
[05:40] <IdleOne> We all make mistakes, hopefully you will learn from this and become a productive member of the community
[05:40] <IdleOne> Right now I can't remove the ban. Sorry.
[05:41] <Cakester> ok that leaves me more time to do work than chat then
[05:41] <IdleOne> That is a good way to look at it.
[05:42] <IdleOne> As for the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic you will have to speak with Flannel when he is online/active
[05:42] <Cakester> In this channel Flannel will handle it?
[05:43] <IdleOne> correct
[05:45] <IdleOne> Cakester: Can you please part this channel now.
[05:45] <Cakester> i must go eat programmer food now.
[05:47] <IdleOne> hmm <Cakester> i must be an hour or two away   <-- what does that mean ?
[05:48] <bazhang> from 72 hours
[05:48] <IdleOne> oh
[05:48] <bazhang> as far as I'm concerned, coming back a few hours later and starting the stalking anew reset that
[05:49] <IdleOne> I don't think I will be removing the ban anytime soon. His behavior was more then just unacceptable it was creepy and scary
[05:50] <bazhang> in the extreme
[05:50] <IdleOne> I will have to talk about it with my mentor
[05:50] <bazhang> signing a coc after the fact won't magically erase that; afaict he wants to use it just to continue
[05:51] <bazhang> never saw any actual support issue type statements from him
[05:51] <IdleOne> that is the feeling I get also
[05:51] <bazhang> ie before he was banned
[06:09] <bazhang> advice in where to redirect cakester for help creating a wiki with his 'interests and skills' ? he's asking in -bugs
[06:36] <elky> wikia
[07:13] <Flannel> Seeker`: I haven't been AFK for that long
[07:34] <Cakester> My friends list says Flannel is online
[08:15] <ikonia> Cakester: let me cut to the chase for you as you're not getting it
[08:16] <Cakester> oh hello
[08:16] <Cakester> are you Flannel
[08:16] <ikonia> Cakester: youre bahviour constantly talking about job interviews, what your did did, and random comments is of no interest or relevance to the ubuntu channels, until you can control yourself you will not be unbanned from the ubuntu channels
[08:16] <ikonia> no I'm not flannel.
[08:16] <Cakester> ikonia, i had this workedo ut
[08:16] <ikonia> Cakester you had what worked out ?
[08:17] <Cakester> I talked to an OP that said he likes my changes, but i need to try harder to show my behavior better
[08:17] <ikonia> no you didn't
[08:17] <Cakester> unrelated, i have to talk to Flannel
[08:17] <ikonia> Cakester: he is not active at this time,
[08:17] <Cakester> ok
[08:17] <ikonia> please leave the chanel and wait for him to be active,
[08:21] <IdleOne> hmm seems he takes only the bits and peaces of conversations
[08:21] <IdleOne> drops the parts that don't suit the situation
[08:21] <ikonia> because he's trolling
[08:22] <ikonia> council - why do we have #ubuntu-beginners-team as "another" offtopic channel
[09:26] <ikonia> can someone with ops in #ubuntu-server please remove and now ban Ongavezyr it's balzac again trolling
[09:39] <ikonia> why is -server never staffed
[10:03] <jpds> ikonia: He's speaking German to you.
[10:04] <ikonia> I'm ignoring him
[10:04] <ikonia> fed up with the lack of staffing
[10:24] <topyli> @login
[10:24] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:46] <ikonia> topyli: can you please assist in #ubuntu-server
[10:47] <topyli> i'm there now
[10:47] <topyli> saw him asking for you
[10:47] <ikonia> can you please remove / ban Ongavezyr
[10:47] <ikonia> he's a serial troll, enough is enough
[10:51] <ikonia> for gods sake, he's calling me a "bad jew brother"
[10:51] <ikonia> what point is someone going to step in
[10:51] <ikonia> topyli: please change that to a ban
[10:51] <ikonia> the guy is in BT 20+ times
[10:52] <ikonia> he was kicked from -server yesterday
[10:52] <topyli> it is a ban
[10:52] <ikonia> thank you
[10:52] <ikonia> just saw, thank you
[10:53] <jpds> Hmm; British Telecom.
[10:53] <ikonia> jpds: problems ?
[10:53] <topyli> perhaps there really aren't enough ops on -server
[10:54] <topyli> (i'm never there so i don't have a feel)
[10:54] <ikonia> topyli: agreed, I've submitted a request to the LP group
[10:54] <topyli> good
[10:58] <ikonia> now getting abuse in pm, just ignoring it
[10:58] <bazhang> same
[10:58] <bazhang> ola bruder then etc etc
[11:01] <ikonia> penguin fucker
[11:01] <ikonia> etc
[11:01] <ikonia> you must die
[11:01] <ikonia> etc
[11:01] <knome> nice!
[11:01] <topyli> very
[11:06] <jpds> Impressive.
[11:07] <knome> very creative.
[13:27] <r3c4ll> hi everybody
[13:28] <ikonia> hello
[13:28] <r3c4ll> someone can test manually about DCCExploit?
[13:28] <ikonia> have you done the test in #ubuntu-read-topic ?
[13:28] <r3c4ll> i do the second fix (change the port in my xchat to 8001)
[13:28] <r3c4ll> yes
[13:29] <ikonia> can you please join and try now
[13:29] <r3c4ll> i do the test me but it dosen't work
[13:29] <ikonia> please do it now
[13:29] <r3c4ll> ok i'll
[13:31] <r3c4ll> ikonia, not work :(
[13:31] <ikonia> r3c4ll: you've not typed "test me" in the cahnnel
[13:31] <ikonia> channel even
[13:32] <Pici> Yes he did./
[13:32] <ikonia> why can't I see that ?
[13:32] <Pici> Its +mk
[13:32] <Pici> er, +mz
[13:32] <ikonia> ahh, I've just opped, thank you
[13:32] <ikonia> thanks Pici
[13:32] <Pici> r3c4ll: What IRC client are you using?
[13:37] <ikonia> hello fujisan
[13:38] <fujisan> hi
[13:38] <ikonia> how can we help today ?
[13:38] <fujisan> i was wondering how come i can't enter ubuntu-uk
[13:38] <ikonia> you may want to ask in #ubuntu-irc as that's the channel that controls #ubuntu-uk
[13:39] <fujisan> ok ty
[13:45] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, I gave you +O in -read-topic.
[13:45] <ikonia> saw it, thanks
[13:46] <Pici> Oh, right, forgot.
[13:46] <ikonia> appreciated
[15:18] <Pici> jussi: Please get rid of that ^
[15:21] <ikonia> ughh
[17:05] <Pici> We can leave that, it was zewb.
[17:06] <jpds> Pici: Get rid of/leave it, please make up your mind.
[17:06] <Pici> :P
[17:40] <ikonia> that's getting really annoying now
[18:56] <Seeker`> Flannel: -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  away     : I'm detatched.  Leave a message, I'll get back to you.
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  idle     : 0 days 17 hours 4 mins 16 secs signon: Mon Aug  2 11:43:00 2010
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~  account  : Flannel
[18:56] <Seeker`> -00:22:37- [freenode] ~s~ End of WHOIS
[19:05]  * popey wonders if irc could do with some kind of reward system that the bots kept a track of. whereby someone who has been helped can !thank <nick> and that gets recorded
[19:05] <popey> or not?
[19:06] <maco> popey: supybot has a karma plugin
[19:06] <knome> irc could not do that, people could.
[19:06] <popey> okay, pedantry aside, people could do with... etc what i said before
[19:06] <knome> ;)
[19:06] <highvoltage> people still use supybot!?
[19:07] <highvoltage> I guess supybot -> ibit migration isn't working yet
[19:07] <popey> when you look at things like the forums, launchpad answers and that new stackexchange site, they all thrive to some degree on reward
[19:07] <popey> but irc helpers tend to go very much unnoticed
[19:07] <popey> :(
[19:07] <popey> well, noticed by some, but not visibly
[19:07] <IdleOne> popey: if those !thanks could some how be counted as karma and added to LP
[19:07] <maco> i thought the "thanks" plugin was removed on the forums
[19:08] <popey> maco: there are other things too to measure contributions
[19:08] <maco> many of the plugins were disabled because the server's been on last-legs for a year or two now
[19:08] <popey> not just the thank button
[19:08] <knome> popey, what would be even more kewl, was if that all those rewards could be combined, and the total karma would appear on LP
[19:08] <popey> yeah, that too would be neat
[19:08] <IdleOne> knome +1 and ^5
[19:08] <maco> IdleOne: do you hear an echo?
[19:08] <IdleOne> maco: I do but I thought it was just me
[19:10] <IdleOne> I think it would be best if the whole !thankyou system was invisible
[19:10] <IdleOne> to avoid spam in the channels and tampering
[19:10] <popey> its also hard for newbs to even know this existed
[19:11] <popey> and people would game it with "Don't forget to !thank me! :D :D :D :D"
[19:11] <Pici> Sounds annoying already.
[19:11] <IdleOne> popey: that is why I suggest it to be invisible, bot could look for thank you $nick and record it quietly
[19:12] <popey> heh
[19:12]  * popey wonders if this could somehow be automated
[19:12] <popey> grabbing karma from launchpad, forum stats, stackexchange (etc), logs from #ubuntu...
[19:13] <IdleOne> don't forget shapado
[19:14] <Seeker`> how can you tell the difference between someoe being useful and someone attempting to be useful but accidentally wiping all of someones data?
[19:14] <Seeker`> (based on log scanning(
[19:14] <IdleOne> the helpee is the one who gives the thanks
[19:15] <IdleOne> bot wouldn't be looking for help given/received only the thanks
[19:16] <IdleOne> if thank you = do nothing  if thank you very much = do nothing  if thank you Seeker` = +1_karma
[19:17]  * popey just grepped for > thank in #ubuntu
[19:17] <popey> still chugging away
[19:17] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ grep -i  "> thank" irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu.log | wc -l
[19:17] <popey> 23873
[19:17] <popey> :)
[19:17] <IdleOne> if thank you Seeker` you killed my system = +10_karma :P
[19:17] <popey> :D
[19:17] <Pici> LjL had written something a long time ago to graph thanks $user instances.
[19:35] <popey> maybe I should put a spec/blueprint together and we could talk about this at an irc council meeting and maybe uds?
[19:35] <popey> unless people think its silly?
[19:35] <popey> (which I'm willing to accept it might be)
[19:37] <knome> it's not silly. i think it's great and a very welcome addition, being a hardcore irc user (supporter).
[19:37] <Pici> I think we've discussed it in the past, but I'd be willing to talk about it again.
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Worth another try, yes
[19:42] <charlie-tca> We finally got karma for testing, didn't we? We just got to keep trying
[20:43] <jussi> popey: kubotu already has this feature, except it doesnt get printed anywhere, you can just see how much karma one has by asking the bot. Im pretty sure its easily portable/ rewriteable, but question is do we really want that? will it create people asking for someone to thank them, thus creating more lines of unneeded chat?
[20:44] <jussi> (Im not saying its bad, but just asking the questions and trying to spot possible downfalls)
[21:11] <guntbert> Hi friendly ops: my edit request (yesterday) for fixing a broken link in !releases seems to have been overlooked
[21:41] <knome> guntbert, afaik it's being discussed.
[21:42] <guntbert> knome: discussed? fixing a broken link? but ok, thx for your response
[21:43] <knome> guntbert, the situation in general, and what to link to, and should something else be changed
[21:45] <guntbert> knome: I see -- I only thought replacing it with a working one is no big change - but I don't want to bicker - have a nice time :-)
[21:45] <knome> you too


[03:35] <masber> good afternoon, I have an ubuntu vm and I can't make the network to work... this is the error message I see in journalctl -xe --> Failed to start Raise network interfaces.
[03:36] <masber> failed with result 'exit-code'.
[03:37] <masber> the story is I created a new vm and installed ubuntu in it but I make a mistake selecting the primary nic to setup the server ip
[03:37] <masber> so after installation I went to the /etc/network/interfaces and changed the interface name to the right one
[03:37] <masber> then I rebooted the networking server and I am getting this error since then
[03:38] <masber> I am running ubuntu 16.04
[03:38] <masber> any idea?
[06:59] <allquixotic> Will the Canonical Livepatch Service be able to implement LPTI on running kernels or will a reboot be required?
[07:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:03] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey cpaelzer how are you doing?
[07:06] <cpaelzer> ignoring my habit to see things worse than they are, actually good :-)
[07:06] <cpaelzer> how about you lordievader
[07:06] <cpaelzer> had a good start?
[07:07] <lordievader> Doing good here, got tea for a change
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> for the users that might ask about kpti, !kpti has been updated
[07:31] <trippeh> !kpti
[10:00] <cpaelzer> thanks lotuspsychje
[13:49] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: ovfs2-tools is good now
[13:49] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: do you want me to sponsor it as it is now?
[13:49] <ahasenack> saw your reply, just replied to that
[13:49] <ahasenack> running the dep8 tests locally
[13:50] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: ok - give me (or another uploader) a ping when you tihnk it is ready
[13:50] <ahasenack> ok
[13:50] <ahasenack> I can actually upload that one, just not push the upload tag
[14:33] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: well we can revise the tag if needed
[14:33] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: so I could push the tag as-is
[14:33] <cpaelzer> which means you can upload if you are happy after some time
[14:33] <cpaelzer> and if not we can change the upload tag to whatever is the truth then
[14:33] <ahasenack> let's wait a bit, I'm getting a silly dep8 test error
[14:33] <ahasenack> which works if I run it interactively in a vm
[14:33] <cpaelzer> ok, waiting for you
[14:34] <ahasenack> basic                FAIL stderr: yes: standard output: Broken pipe
[14:34] <ahasenack> that's just a "yes | fsck.ocfs2 -f -y -F $DISK 2>&1"
[14:36] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I have seen such issues
[14:36] <cpaelzer> being part of a "when does what die" problem
[14:37] <cpaelzer> in my case I had an unlimited read from /dev/urandom piped to something else
[14:37] <cpaelzer> yes is an endless-til-killed stream
[14:37] <cpaelzer> so it might be the same issue
[14:37] <cpaelzer> if you can run with a limited amount of "y" try that ahasenack
[14:38] <ahasenack> what do you mean limited amount of "y"?
[14:38] <cpaelzer> like 4 times "y" instead of infinited
[14:38] <rbasak> I thought a pipeline was supposed to return the result of the final command?
[14:38] <ahasenack> oh
[14:38] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that is mostly just a warning
[14:38] <cpaelzer> in my cases it didn't even affect RCs
[14:38] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: does it for you?
[14:38] <ahasenack> I'll try after lunch
[14:38] <cpaelzer> affect RCs?
[14:38] <rbasak> Oh
[14:38] <rbasak> Hold on
[14:39] <rbasak> You need allow-stderr in your Restrictions
[14:39] <rbasak> IMHO, that's a wart with dep8 tests.
[14:39] <ahasenack> rbasak: the test passed in the past
[14:39] <ahasenack> and I don't get this error when I run it in a vm
[14:39] <rbasak> OK, so that's a race that cpaelzer is describing.
[14:39] <cpaelzer> yeah if that goes out on stderr then rbasak is right, the allow is needed then
[14:39] <ahasenack> so yes, allow-stder would work around it
[14:40] <ahasenack> but I will try a bit more some other tricks before
[14:40] <rbasak> If you're going to use a yes | pipe, then I think an allow-stderr is required.
[14:40] <rbasak> And would be the correct fix.
[14:40] <cpaelzer> OTOH if you can easily do the same with limited number of "y" do that
[14:40]  * ahasenack -> lunch
[14:40] <cpaelzer> expect might the the best but also most complex solution
[14:40] <teward> i think i asked this but didn't get a response, who do I have to bother about the cloud-images.ubuntu.com linux images for lxc/lxd, because there's a small issue with them...
[14:40] <teward> minor but annoying ultimately :P
[14:40] <cpaelzer> stgraber: ^^
[14:41] <cpaelzer> oh sorry
[14:41] <rbasak> teward: ask the actual issue please :)
[14:41] <cpaelzer> are lxc/lxd even on cloud-images?
[14:41] <rbasak> ubuntu:xenial comes from somewhere. No idea where :)
[14:42] <teward> cpaelzer: the disk images for {INSERT_UBUNTU_RELEASE_HERE} are.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26319708/ for `lxc remote list` output
[14:42] <teward> rbasak: the cloud images, when spun up by LXC/LXD, don't get the hostname added to /etc/hosts
[14:42] <teward> which can in some cases cause issues with `sudo` and such
[14:42] <teward> Debian's cloud images have no problem with this
[14:42] <cpaelzer> ok, then they are pushed there
[14:42] <cpaelzer> still I think the hightlight to stgraber ^^ still is the right one for you
[14:43] <rbasak> teward: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#update-etc-hosts
[14:43] <rbasak> "If this is set to false, cloud-init will not manage /etc/hosts at all. This is the default behavior."
[14:43] <teward> rbasak: so, then, where does one make that change
[14:44] <rbasak> lxc profile edit default
[14:44] <rbasak> config:
[14:44] <rbasak>   user.user-data: |
[14:44] <rbasak>     #cloud-config
[14:44] <rbasak>     manage_etc_hosts: localhost
[14:44] <teward> *throws the !pastebin factoid at rbasak*
[14:44] <teward> just saying :P
[14:44] <teward> i'll update that
[14:45]  * rbasak throws the manual back at teward :-P
[14:45] <teward> rbasak: *very* odd though that that only happens for the Ubuntu images
[14:45] <rbasak> Ubuntu images from ubuntu:xenial etc. uses cloud-init by default
[14:45] <rbasak> images:debian/sid/amd64 etc. do not.
[14:45] <teward> ah, makes senses.
[14:45] <teward> sense*
[14:45] <rbasak> I'm not sure what images:ubuntu/... does. Presumably they don't use cloud-init. But I normally want cloud-init, so I never use those ones.
[14:46] <teward> nor I ;P
[14:53] <teward> well now I"ve updated all my LXC/LXD systems accordingly heh
[14:57] <rbasak> smoser: any thoughts on moving the manage_etc_hosts default? When do people _want_ it to be false, except to avoid breaking existing setups?
[15:00] <Odd_Bloke> teward: rbasak: cpaelzer: ubuntu:* and ubuntu-daily:* come from cloud-images.u.c.; images:* come from stgraber.  The cloud-images project would be the appropriate place on LP to file a bug. :)
[15:01] <stgraber> though in this case, whether it's a bug is debetable, I've always found it weird that cloud-init doesn't generate the /etc/hosts entry, but based on its documentation, it's clearly deliberate
[15:05]  * rbasak files bug 1741277
[15:11] <teward> stgraber: could we not override that on our side of things?
[15:11] <teward> because in 99% of cases you are probably going to *expect* it to not cause `sudo` to explode in the lxc/lxd container with an 'unable to find hostname HOSTNAMEGOESHERE' error
[15:11] <teward> it still works, but...
[15:12] <stgraber> teward: the eaiest would be to have a different default in cloud-init when dealing with a container, though I'd expect the sudo issue to be just as true inside a cloud instance, so not sure why this is lxd-specific
[15:12] <teward> stgraber: so far i've only noticed it in lxd.
[15:13] <smoser> rbasak: well, in cases where dns works, a sane cloud that provides dns entry in its dhcp (or otherwise) provided dns servers
[15:13] <teward> but since i don't have any non-lxd cloud-init-initiated instances... :P
[15:14] <smoser> in such an environment, the cloud knows the right result for looking up hostname, and if you put an entry in /etc/hosts for localhost, you break what would have worked.
[15:14] <smoser> the issue is not "lxd specific", its "broken cloud specific".
[15:15] <smoser> why should the platform not provide an answer for the hostname that it gave the instance from the dns server that it provided to the instance.
[15:15] <rbasak> Is it sane for the local hostname to result in a round trip around the network via DNS?
[15:15] <smoser> maybe
[15:15] <smoser> i honestly think that the sane fix is to stop sudo from doing that nonsense.
[15:15] <smoser> no one uses sudo like that anymore
[15:16] <smoser> with one sudo config spread across multiple hosts
[15:16] <rbasak> I think it's reasonable for a system to expect to always get a result from looking up itself.
[15:16] <rbasak> On lxd, we're in a position to make that happen.
[15:16] <smoser> where the hostname of the system is looked up via dns
[15:16] <rbasak> The question is just about which component should manage that.
[15:16] <smoser> really, i think the solution for "get rid of that warning from sudo" is to *get rid of that warning from sudo*
[15:17] <rbasak> It's not just sudo.
[15:17] <rbasak> Other stuff breaks too.
[15:17] <smoser> like ?
[15:17] <rbasak> I don't recall.
[15:17] <rbasak> I don't see it often, because I consider a system not being able to look up its own name as broken and always fix that first.
[15:17] <smoser> and anything that *does* depend on it is honestly probably broken.
[15:18] <smoser> in some way, its overly simplistic solution to "whats my IP address" or something like that.
[15:18] <rbasak> Perhaps
[15:18] <rbasak> But it's still broken for a system to not be able to look up its own ame
[15:18] <smoser> yeah.
[15:18] <TJ-> There was a bug recently affecting sudo causing hangs when the system was offline, when mdns was installed for nsswitch, too
[15:19] <smoser> i do think we should look at doing this better, and have a solution for bionic that does the best thing.
[15:19] <smoser> can anyone actually  justify sudo doing a hostname lookup?
[15:19] <rbasak> I don't object to fixing sudo. I just don't think that resolves the issue from the user's perspective.
[15:19] <smoser> in a year > 2000 ?
[15:19] <TJ-> nacc and I were debugging it, bug 1295229
[15:20] <rbasak> The problem with sudo is that the file format specification will continue to permit hostnames even if nobody uses that facility.
[15:20] <rbasak> Changing that is extremely difficult.
[15:20] <rbasak> So then it becomes a request to optimise sudo to not do a lookup unless it needs it.
[15:20] <TJ-> could the solution be in nsswitch instead ?
[15:21] <rbasak> TJ-: then it wouldn't (easily) be configurable though.
[15:21] <rbasak> OTOH, the solution in /etc/hosts is fine and is configurable.
[15:21] <smoser> TJ-: i think that is in the realm of 'myhostname' plugin or something
[15:21] <smoser> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/nss-myhostname.html
[15:21] <TJ-> smoser: yeah, thanks for jogging my memory on that one... we found that a recent addition
[15:22] <rbasak> That's interesting
[15:23] <smoser> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1730744
[15:23] <smoser> that is related
[15:24] <smoser> i came to the party late
[15:24] <smoser> is that the bug that was originally being raised.
[15:25] <rbasak> I suppose the real intention of my bug is "not all platforms running cloud-init make the system hostname resolveable by default"
[15:26] <rbasak> I'd consider it resolved as soon as that is true.
[15:26] <TJ-> smoser: in the case that nacc and I investigated, we found the nsswitch.conf "hosts: ..." entries didn't seem to be processed in the order, or according to the rules, as documented
[15:27] <smoser> well, all this is part of why i leave it untouched.
[15:28] <TJ-> right, the case was a default 17.10 install too.
[16:02] <ahasenack> hi, can someone please import ubuntu-fan into the ubuntu server git repo?
[16:02] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer ^
[16:03] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I'll do so
[16:04] <ahasenack> thanks
[16:04] <cpaelzer> running
[16:04] <cpaelzer> but I think it had a native git
[16:04] <cpaelzer> check d/control maybe?
[16:04] <ahasenack> hm
[16:05] <ahasenack> nothing in there
[16:05] <ahasenack> not even a single url
[16:06] <ahasenack> readme points at http://www.ubuntu.com/fan and that's it
[16:06] <ahasenack> the other url is for iana.org
[16:06] <ahasenack> that /fan one is a 404, btw
[16:09] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: beware the launchpad login oauth token prompt, it's easily missed
[16:12] <nacc> cpaelzer: please also add to whitellist
[16:14] <cpaelzer> nacc: what would happen if we don't other than getting out of sny?
[16:14] <cpaelzer> sync
[16:15] <nacc> cpaelzer: it breaks the assumption that all of the existinng repos keep up with the publisher
[16:15] <nacc> cpaelzer: but htat's it :)
[16:19] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: imported
[16:19] <cpaelzer> nacc: added to whitelist
[16:19] <nacc> cpaelzer: thx
[16:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I didn't realize what you meant with a fetch being needed along that
[16:20] <cpaelzer> anything I should do?
[16:23] <ahasenack> !kpti
[16:27] <rbasak> cpaelzer: we mean the bastion gets the whitelist straight out of the git tree rather than the snap. So the bastion needs the updated whitelist fetching with git before it'll take effect.
[16:27] <rbasak> (also the loop restarting I think)
[16:28] <rbasak> I don't think you need to do anything.
[16:28] <rbasak> But probably useful to know that.
[16:28] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak
[16:39] <Neo4> I'm going to make user root owner apache, put in pache2.conf root instead www-data?
[16:39] <Neo4> it can solve permission problem?
[16:39] <Neo4> now I need always pug www-data to growp of my user
[16:40] <Neo4> ???
[16:40] <Neo4> in ubuntu-server guide I've read it is possible
[16:40] <Neo4> but not recommended, why?
[16:42] <nacc> Neo4: you want root to own your website?
[16:42] <nacc> Neo4: then if there is an exploit of apache2, the exploiter has root on your system, potentially
[16:42] <Neo4> nacc: yes, for apach2 can be able write files always
[16:43] <nacc> Neo4: that's not a reasonable thing for a webserver
[16:43] <Neo4> nacc: do you think it's possible? Exploit can be if I install some module?
[16:43] <Neo4> nacc: ok, I'll train comond chmode and find than
[16:44] <Neo4> nacc: always should after install site put rights 775 and 664
[16:44] <Neo4> if would apache is root I right would be 755 and 644
[16:45] <Neo4> nacc: or I should just change owner of files from my user to www-data
[16:45] <Neo4> but I put root and neo is my current user to www-data goup and www-data to group neo and root
[16:45] <Neo4> and rights 775
[16:46] <teward> NEVER add anything to the `root` group
[16:46] <teward> NEVER add yourself to the `www-data` group
[16:46] <teward> NEVER add the webserver www-data user to your own user group
[16:46] <teward> use actual permissions to control things instead
[16:46] <Neo4> teward: why?
[16:46] <teward> or ACLs for 'customized' rules.
[16:46] <teward> Neo4: permissions and security
[16:46] <Neo4> teward: if filewill have ownerchip www-data and froup www-data I can't copy this file ?
[16:46] <teward> you *never* want to give `www-data` or non-root system accounts access to `root`
[16:47] <teward> Neo4: I think you need to get an understanding of how file permissions work
[16:47] <teward> and how the underlying system permissions structures on LInux work
[16:47] <Neo4> teward: I know
[16:47] <teward> BEFORE continuing.  my two cents.
[16:47] <Neo4> teward: see www-data create his own files and owner will be www-data : www-data
[16:48] <teward> i know this - i'm very fluent in filesystem permissions.
[16:48] <teward> the problem is
[16:48] <teward> you want someone *else* to access the data
[16:48] <Neo4> I'll connect to my server and can't edit this files, because apache creates it with 755 rules and my user is not in group
[16:48] <teward> well, the `root` user has god access to everything that doesn't have specialized access permissions
[16:48] <Neo4> teward: yes, for edit files
[16:48] <teward> want to know another method?
[16:49] <Neo4> teward: if my user neo in www-data group I put right 775 or 664 and can do it
[16:49] <teward> Neo4: alternativelyt
[16:49] <teward> you can give your user ownership of the files
[16:49] <teward> www-data as group access
[16:49] <teward> and set the setgid bit for all directories
[16:49] <teward> and set the setgid bit for all directories within the document root*
[16:49] <teward> thereby giving both you and `www-data` read/write/edit permissions.
[16:50] <teward> which is the ***proper*** way to do this.
[16:50] <teward> ... well one of them anyways.
[16:50] <Neo4> teward: I don't know what is setgid bit
[16:50] <teward> https://askubuntu.com/questions/767504/permissions-problems-with-var-www-html-and-my-own-home-directory-for-a-website/767534#767534
[16:50] <teward> steps 1, 2, and 3.
[16:50] <teward> replace `/var/www/html` with the actual directory for your document root
[16:50] <teward> and stop messing with who has group access to whichever account
[16:50] <teward> then go research how filesystem permissions work in Linuxl
[16:51] <teward> because if you don't understand the basic permissions structure, IMO you should probably be hiring someone to do this stuff for you instead :P
[16:51] <teward> (yes i'm salty and grumpy today, i've been staring at code all day so my eyes hurt and i have a massive headache)
[16:51] <teward> (and four servers explodified so i'm busy rebuilding those... what a horrible day for me >.>)
[16:52] <Neo4> :)
[16:52] <Neo4> ok
[16:53] <Neo4> thanks, will try
[16:53] <teward> step 3, the setgid bit, just basically says "Any file created in this directory with default permission settings will get the group set to the same group-ownership as the folder it's created in" in a nutshell
[16:53] <teward> it's far more complex than just that
[16:53] <teward> but it's the brief explanation
[16:53] <teward> now i need coffee
[16:53]  * genii slides one on over to teward, ASAP
[19:22] <ahasenack> I'm trying to debug a dns resolution problem in an lxd container (artful),
[19:22] <ahasenack>  /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver as <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:22] <ahasenack> that's systemd-resolved
[19:23] <ahasenack> and it's not working: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> just times out
[19:23] <ahasenack> but dig @some-external-dns works just fine
[19:23] <ahasenack> so where do I find out which forwarders systemd-resolved is using?
[19:23] <ahasenack> tcpdump -i any port 53 shows nada when I use dig against @<IP_ADDRESS>, just dig's requests, but no reply
[19:24] <ahasenack>  /etc/systemd/resolved.conf has everything commented (#)
[19:24] <teward> ahasenack: did you *specify* any DNS servers in the network config or in the host for the LXD bridge/dhcp to assign?
[19:25] <ahasenack> it's an lxd deployed via juju into that host, which is deployed via maas
[19:25] <ahasenack> the host is fine
[19:25] <ahasenack> the host also has <IP_ADDRESS> in resolv.conf,
[19:25] <ahasenack> and its /etc/systemd/resolved.conf is also default
[19:25] <ahasenack> so I also don't know where the host is getting the upstream dns from
[19:26] <ahasenack> but host is bionic, netplan all the way
[19:26] <ahasenack> hm
[19:27] <ahasenack> juju also used netplan for this xenial container...?
[19:27] <ahasenack> it just created the netplan config, but netplan is not even installed in this container, so that's a no-op
[19:28] <ahasenack> but yeah, /etc/network/interfaces has no dns-nameserver config
[19:28] <ahasenack> just the domain
[19:28] <ahasenack> and the loopback interface does have a dns-nameserver, and that's <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:28] <ahasenack> which is what ended up in /etc/resolv.conf
[19:30] <ahasenack> but why would <IP_ADDRESS> not even try the root servers
[19:35] <ahasenack> I think it's in a loop
[20:08] <sarnold> I don't think systemd-resolved is a recursor, is it? I thought it just forwarded queries to another server
[20:08] <sarnold> I wouldn't expect it to check roots itself
[20:09] <teward> sarnold: last i checked it isn't
[20:09] <teward> but if systemd-resolved has no upstream DNS set for forwarding it just implodes
[20:09] <teward> same issue I had with dnsmasq ;)
[22:40] <patdk-lap> odd, everyone has released patches now, except ubuntu :(
[22:55] <dax> to be fair, Debian only *just* released
[23:13] <mason> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5753 doesn't reflect a release yet
[23:13] <mason> nor https://www.debian.org/security/
[23:16] <mason> Ah, but https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2018/msg00000.html
[23:21] <oerheks> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[23:21] <oerheks> "everyone has released patches now" ???
[23:34] <TJ-> patches are great, what we need is built and published binaries :D


 Is there a compiler that accepts a space there?
[04:16] <sadmac> ion_: no.
[04:17] <sadmac> ion_: but upstart's coding convention has function declarations/definitions with a space there, so an argument list always has a space before it except for one standards-enforced special case.
[04:18] <ion_> That’s what i do, too.
[04:18] <sadmac> I don't make these errors when coding to kernel guidelines.
[04:18] <sadmac> *sigh*
[04:18]  * sadmac puts his bike in the shed
[04:18] <ion_> I never make an error there. :-P
[19:14] <george1502> hello
[19:15] <george1502> Is Scott here?
[19:33] <george1502> hello Md


[05:06] <pleia2> Pendulum: when you have a chance, can you send me one of the documents for event planning that takes accessibility things into consideration?
[05:06] <pleia2> working with ubuntu-hu to come up with some night tourism stuffs
[05:07] <pleia2> doesn't look like we have an easy way to submit evening events yet though, so I'll have to follow-up with that too
[06:49]  * nigelb hugs pleia2
[18:03] <maco> TheMuso: looky
 maco: oh, I completely forgot.  So I do: sudo -u ubuntu DISPLAY=:0 python test_ubiquity.py
 where test_ubiquity is:
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ev/+junk/ubiquity-ldtp-tests/view/head:/test_ubiquity.py
[18:04] <maco> TheMuso: thats the answer to accerciser & ubiquity
[18:09] <maco> Pendulum: i'm guessing "make Unity 2D use identical shortcuts to Unity 3D" is on the a11y agenda for discussion at uds?
[18:20] <Pendulum> maco: that's more on TheMuso's side
[18:38] <AlanBell> maco: is that a blueprint title?
[18:38] <maco> AlanBell: no
[18:38] <maco> but i figured there'd be some sort of meeting between a11y people and the ayatana team to discuss what's needed
[18:39] <maco> and i wanted to check that that would be brought up
[18:40] <AlanBell> it is a good point, there should be a systematic way to get 2d and 3d aligned
[18:40] <AlanBell> not just for a11y reasons either
[18:48] <maco> perhaps we should have a wiki page where we can list accessibility considerations to give them?
[22:19] <hajour> hi all
[22:20] <Pendulum> hi hajour
[22:20] <hajour> charlie-tca, and Pendulum
[22:20] <hajour> i got a great idea and allready busy to do it to
[22:20] <Pendulum> oh?
[22:21] <hajour> today i  have go to city hall.and said my plan and they find it a good plan to
[22:21] <hajour> ok what i go to do is this
[22:22] <hajour> in netherland special friesland province ar many ict people without a job also people with issues
[22:22] <hajour> so i told from ubuntu and speechcontrol
[22:23] <hajour> i said why not let people who want work here by ubuntu.they will keep then there well fair .people with issues will finally get a honest chang to
[22:24] <hajour> and they can do what they really like
[22:24] <hajour> volunteer work with keeping well fair money
[22:24] <hajour> i also told from edubuntu
[22:25] <hajour> so tomorrow i have a appointment with a person from city hall
[22:26] <Pendulum> good luck :)
[22:26] <hajour> so what you think of it?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> hajour: good luck
[22:26] <charlie-tca> I hope you succeed!
[22:26] <hajour> i go succeed
[22:26] <hajour> they where very enthusiastic about it
[22:28] <hajour> i told it to UndiFineD  and he said with his hand for his mouth with big eyes uh? you just walked in /
[22:28] <hajour> ?
[22:28] <hajour> XD
[22:29] <hajour> i going to put it on mail to in accessibility mail
[22:29] <hajour> tomorrow because now i am tired
[22:29] <hajour> i go to tell it to by ubuntu-nl
[22:30] <hajour> have told first from all here
[22:30] <hajour> o btw have booked the flight today to uds
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Good
[22:30] <charlie-tca> I will see you there
[22:31] <charlie-tca> I fly into Budapest on Saturday
[22:31] <hajour> also have get my passport from city hall suddenly for free
[22:31] <charlie-tca> even better
[22:31] <hajour> tomorrow i go get him
[22:31] <hajour> i will arrive on sunday
[22:32] <hajour> by uds
[22:34] <JanC> hajour: don't forget to mention the Frysian translation project--I know they like that sort of thing there...  ;)
[22:34] <JanC> (AFAIK Windows isn't available in Frysian?)
[22:34] <hajour> yes i also go talk about that JanC  allready thought about that
[22:35] <hajour> what means AFAIK ?
[22:35] <AlanBell> as far as I know
[22:35] <JanC> sorry, AFAIK == As Far As I Know ("voor zover ik weet")
[22:36] <hajour> a ok
[22:36] <hajour> dont worry i also told from edubuntu
[22:36] <AlanBell> you might also see AFAICT as far as I can tell
[22:37] <hajour> where the C stands for?
[22:37] <hajour> a ok
[22:37] <hajour> sorry
[22:37] <AlanBell> can :)
[22:37] <hajour> have had a long day
[22:37] <hajour> very much arranged
[22:38] <hajour> dislecty guidance and coach for my oldest daughter and ict lessons.last is still in discuss stadium
[22:38] <hajour> but i sure will win that discussion
[22:38] <hajour> talked with people from city hall
[22:39] <hajour> have reading logs was before i was do all above
[22:39] <hajour> booked the flight with help from UndiFineD
[23:02] <hajour> o and btw wath kind of people are needed most here in ubuntu from programmers design ect
[23:02] <hajour> would be handy to know you see
[23:03] <hajour> AlanBell, charlie-tca Pendulum ^
[23:38] <hajour> if some of you know it AlanBell  and Pendulum  and i thought also charlie-tca  know my emailadress .if you want to infrom me would be very nice
[23:44] <hajour> uhm little doubting here .was it not good i did ?
[23:44] <hajour> what i did i mean
[23:44] <Pendulum> hajour: it's good!
[23:45] <hajour> ok all ready was afraid i did something wrong
[23:47] <hajour> btw need to get a vaccination this week. i hope i not will become ill from it
[23:47] <hajour> because of going to uds
[23:51] <zippo^> hajour, cool :)
[23:53] <hajour> :)
[23:53] <hajour> i go to sleep now need to get up early for to go to city hall tomorrow
[23:54]  * hajour yawns
[23:54] <Pendulum> hajour: good night :)
[23:54] <hajour> goodnight all


[00:03] <infinity> tjaalton: I cleaned up your cruft and added powerpc into that xorg-lts-xenial and reuploaded.
[06:20] <tsimonq2> infinity: ping
[06:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: Pong.  And no, I haven't looked at your MP.
[06:21] <infinity> tsimonq2: I recommend being more interested in testing 14.04.5 dailies. ;)
[06:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: sorry for bothering you :P
[06:24] <tsimonq2> oh my god, our Trusty alternate images are 11 months old...
[06:37] <infinity> tsimonq2: We don't do alternates for trusty point releases, just desktop.
[06:40] <infinity> pitti: I'll give you big money and fabulous prizes if you claim the apparmor SRU review.
[06:41] <infinity> pitti: (Or if you talk Steve into it -- he's in your timezone today)
[06:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: oh alright
[06:47] <pitti> infinity: 22 kB? not good enough, I want half a pony too for that
[06:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: and fwiw about being interested in testing, I'm at someone else's house on a Chromebook right now, so I can't do much testing :P
[06:51] <infinity> pitti: The pony is the fabulous prize.
[06:51] <pitti> infinity: a bit internet deprived right now, but I'll have a look ASAP
[07:05] <pitti> infinity: quite intrusive, but test coverage is really good, and I didn't see anything that looked wrong (just fixed up the bug tasks)
[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please process trusty new queue?
[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, ^^^
[09:59] <LocutusOfBorg> oh already accepted
[09:59] <slangasek> mmm? :)
[13:17] <ginggs> any archive-admins in the house?
[13:18] <apw> ginggs, always best to ask for what you need done ...
[13:25] <ginggs> remove old binaries LP: #1606469, i386-only package won't migrate LP: #1585058, finish boost1.60 transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/boost1.60.html, remove all powerpc fpc-related packages LP: #1562480
[16:09] <ogra_> oooh ! "Ubuntu 16.04 is available" ...
[16:09]  * ogra_ hugs the prompt
[18:36] <Saviq> hey, if anyone's around, can you please remove indicator-keyboard s390x - it's fallout from the upstart removal - thanks :)
[18:55] <infinity> Saviq: Expand on that a bit?
[18:55] <infinity> Saviq: We're working on removing upstart deps from the system, not removing things that depend on upstart.
[18:55] <infinity> (Though indicator-keyboard doesn't appear to depend on upstart anyway...)
[18:56] <Saviq> infinity, it does, through liburl-dispatcher
[18:56] <Saviq> infinity, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-073/+build/10535687
[18:56] <Saviq> oh wait
[18:57] <Saviq> sorry wrong link https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-073/+build/10535637
[18:57] <Saviq> infinity, ↑
[18:57] <infinity> pitti: When is the upstart removal stuff landing?
[18:57] <Saviq> still, looks like ubuntu-system-settings has the same problem
[18:59] <infinity> Saviq: Yeah, removing all the things that transitively depend on upstart is a mess.  It'd be much better to get the work from the upstart removal sprint landed ASAP.
[19:01] <infinity> Saviq: Erm, but I'm also not seeing that problem in the archive...?
[19:01] <infinity> Saviq: Did an upstatr dep get *added* in a PPA?
[19:03] <Saviq> infinity, no, I thought the binaries simply got removed?
[19:03] <Saviq> infinity, ack, anyway, if the plan is to have a different solution, fine by me - thought the plan was to remove them
[19:03] <infinity> Saviq: Yes, what I'm saying is that liburl-dispatcher1-dev in the archive doesn't depend on upstart.
[19:03] <Saviq> interesting
[19:04] <Saviq> and it's even available https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/url-dispatcher/0.1+16.04.20151110-0ubuntu2
[19:05] <infinity> Oh.  Someone removed liburl-dispatcher1-dev itself from yakkety.  WTF.
[19:06] <Saviq> ugh
[19:06] <Saviq> anyway, I suppose there's a plan so we'll clarify on Monday
[19:07] <infinity> Steve did it yesterday.  \o/
[19:07] <infinity> slangasek: Why the liburl-dispatcher1-dev/s390x removal?
[19:19] <infinity> slangasek: Can I see "grep ANAIS ~/.bash_history" please? :P
[22:23] <dmj_s76> Has anyone seen issues installing with the Ubuntu 14.04.5 iso and nvme drives?
[22:34] <dmj_s76> infinity: First boot after installing 14.04.5 onto an nvme drive fails and drops to an initramfs prompt
[22:36] <dmj_s76> this is consistent across multiple machines.
[23:21] <slangasek> infinity: sure; that returns no output because my shell history has already rolled over.  so ''
[23:22] <slangasek> infinity: per discussion on #ubuntu-ci-eng, I was working through trying to remove packages that are revdeps on upstart/s390x and also FTBFS
[23:24] <slangasek> infinity: url-dispatcher declares a build-depends: upstart, so is clearly marked for death
[23:24] <slangasek> (on s390x)
[23:45]  * slangasek wonders who promoted libpod-constants-perl to main before the MIR was closed out...