[09:15] <mpt> Why did I include a “Stop” button when checking for updates on Ubuntu Touch
[10:39] <sladen> mpt: so it doesn't gobble roaming allowance?
[11:01] <mpt> sladen, I guess so. I don’t know how much data the check itself consumes.


[17:07] <butti> hi
[17:08] <AlanBell> hi butti
[17:55] <tusuzu> Hi
[17:56] <pleia2> hi tusuzu
[17:56] <pleia2> meeting in 4 minutes :)
[17:56] <tusuzu> kk - making sure I was in the right place
[17:57] <pleia2> yep!
[17:59]  * Cheri703 hastily edits the agenda
[18:00] <pleia2> :)
[18:03] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[18:03] <pleia2> hi everyone, who all is here for the meeting?
[18:04]  * mysteriousdarren is.
[18:04] <jledbetter> o/
[18:04] <mysteriousdarren> o/
[18:04] <tusuzu> hi
[18:04] <Cheri703> o.
[18:04] <pleia2> we have an agenda
[18:04] <Cheri703> bah o/
[18:05] <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[18:05] <pleia2> #topic Precise Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-p-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[18:05] <pleia2> anyone have any updates on their blueprint items?
[18:05] <pleia2> since our last meeting we went live with our new wiki theme :) so yay!
[18:06] <jledbetter> Yay!
[18:06] <tusuzu> Best Practices was updated
[18:06] <pleia2> tusuzu: you did a really nice job with that :)
[18:06] <tusuzu> ty did you see it yesterday?
[18:07] <pleia2> tusuzu: yeah, looks like you condensed it a lot?
[18:07] <tusuzu> yes.
[18:07] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices is the page
[18:07] <pleia2> great
[18:07] <tusuzu> send me any comments when everyone reads it, or comment here.  Hopefully we can finalize next meeting?
[18:08] <jledbetter> Great, tusuzu :)
[18:08] <pleia2> Dolasilla sent an email to the list about reviewing wiki pages: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2012-January/003430.html
[18:09] <pleia2> right now looking to update our /Linux page
[18:09] <pleia2> err /Links
[18:09] <pleia2> akgraner: at our last meeting you said you might get to your mentoring tasks over the holidays, do you have any updates?
[18:11] <pleia2> on my side, since I have the wiki done now we'll be working toward simplifying the text on the main ubuntu women page and redirecting to the wiki
[18:12] <pleia2> I worked with canonical IS to make sure us wiki admins have the power to make pages immutable, since when we point ubuntu-women.org to the wiki we'll probably want to main page immutable to avoid vandalism
[18:12] <jledbetter> pleia2: I can ping akgraner via email and see if I can help. Not on IRC as much since the move but can help via email for sure.
[18:12] <pleia2> s/move/new job
[18:13] <pleia2> yeah, I'll try to follow up with her after the meeting
[18:13] <jledbetter> Oh ok
[18:13] <pleia2> ok, I think that's about it for the blueprint for now
[18:14] <pleia2> #topic Career Days - January Date? http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
[18:14] <pleia2> Cheri703: all yours!
[18:14] <Cheri703> pleia2: I will actually have to ping akgraner as well on that, She was going to be our january participant
[18:14] <Cheri703> unless anyone else wants to volunteer?
[18:15] <tusuzu> I can volunteer on how to party when your kids go off to college
[18:15] <tusuzu> sorry..
[18:15] <pleia2> what date were you shooting for for this? we've been doing them on saturdays but this saturday is User Days, and next saturday akgraner (and me, and akk, and lots of us) will be at SCALE
[18:15] <pleia2> tusuzu: hehe
[18:16] <Cheri703> yeah pleia2, I think just pushing to february might be best
[18:16]  * pleia2 nods
[18:16] <jledbetter> +1
[18:17] <Cheri703> ok, sounds good, I'll still ping akgraner to see if feb works and what day she'd prefer
[18:17] <pleia2> great
[18:17] <pleia2> anything else for Career Days?
[18:17] <Cheri703> nope
[18:18] <pleia2> #topic UW gathering at Scale https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2012-January/003435.html
[18:18] <pleia2> MarkDude: all yours!
[18:20] <pleia2> while we wait, I will mention that we still have two slots to fill for Ubuntu User Days on Saturday, schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/oneiric
[18:21] <pleia2> would be nice to have someone do an "introduction to Ubuntu" (basics of Unity, installing software, basic applications)
[18:21] <tusuzu> Pay my way, I'll do it!
[18:21] <pleia2> tusuzu: it's an online event :)
[18:21] <tusuzu> sorry..
[18:21] <pleia2> you just join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat, you write up some notes and present in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:22] <pleia2> people ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[18:22] <tusuzu> Bad joke..
[18:22] <pleia2> alright :)
[18:22] <jledbetter> pleia2: Would but I have plans this weekend:)
[18:22] <pleia2> anyone else? it's not that scary, there are classroom helpers available throughout the session
[18:23] <pleia2> Cheri703: how about you?
[18:23] <jledbetter> +1 to it being not scary at all. Can look through old sessions to get ideas of what it's like too
[18:23] <Cheri703> what times are needed?
[18:23] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty is a link to the last
[18:23] <Cheri703> also: I don't use unity >.>
[18:23] <pleia2> 15:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC
[18:24] <pleia2> well, you could do a talk on something else :) the awesome apps of KDE!
[18:24] <Cheri703> haven't fully switched to that either! still learning kde stuff
[18:24] <pleia2> hehe, ok
[18:24]  * Cheri703 is trying to mentally convert utc time
[18:24] <Cheri703> is it -5 for eastern time?
[18:24] <tusuzu> yes
[18:25] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/oneiric has the timeanddate clickable links for each time
[18:25] <Cheri703> :/ one is during my sleeping time, one is during my working time, or I would
[18:25] <pleia2> alright, I will continue my quest for volunteers elsewhere
[18:25] <Cheri703> sorry!
[18:25] <pleia2> no problem :)
[18:26] <pleia2> MarkDude: around to talk about scale?
[18:26] <MarkDude> \o
[18:26] <MarkDude> WHy yes I am
[18:26] <pleia2> go for it
[18:27]  * MarkDude has planned for UW members to meet on Sunday
[18:27] <MarkDude> 11 am, just after Selena's keynote
[18:27] <pleia2> sounds good to me
[18:28] <MarkDude> at the coffee shop in lobby
[18:28] <MarkDude> Unless there are any objections to time, let's confirm this :)
[18:29] <pleia2> I'll reply positively to the thead on the list
[18:29] <MarkDude> Perfect pleia2 - looking forward to seeing everyone :)
[18:30] <pleia2> I mentioned that akk, akgraner and I would be there, we're also all doing talks:
[18:30] <pleia2> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/speakers/akkana/peck
[18:30] <pleia2> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/speakers/amber/graner
[18:30] <pleia2> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/speakers/elizabeth/krumbach
[18:31] <jledbetter> Awesome!
[18:31] <tusuzu> nice
[18:31] <pleia2> I'm also running the Ubuntu booth saturday and sunday (will be a busy weekend!)
[18:31] <pleia2> so thanks to MarkDude for handling the planning of the get together :)
[18:31] <MarkDude> Sure, UW rocks!
[18:31] <pleia2> anyone else have announcements of anything else before we wrap up?
[18:31] <AlanBell> o/
[18:32] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS will need a bit of a review and update in the next few days/weeks
[18:32] <pleia2> AlanBell: ah, thanks!
[18:32] <pleia2> we'll also be planning an UW dinner that week (I owe jledbetter an email about this)
[18:32] <jledbetter> :)
[18:33] <pleia2> alright, I think that's it then
[18:33] <pleia2> thanks everyone!
[18:33] <jledbetter> pleia2: Thanks for chairing!
[18:33] <pleia2> sure thing :)
[18:33] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 10 18:33:56 2012 UTC.
[18:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2012/ubuntu-women-project.2012-01-10-18.03.moin.txt
[18:35] <AlanBell> http://uds.ubuntu.com/harassment/ also needs localisation to the next venue
[18:35] <AlanBell> I may have already filed a bug about that one
[18:36] <jledbetter> AlanBell: Good point
[18:37] <pleia2> also a special for oakland "don't walk the streets of oakland alone at night" ;)
[18:38] <pleia2> (admittedly detroit is worse, but phew oakland)
[18:38] <nigelb> heh
[18:39] <AlanBell> bug 907673
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 907673 in uds-project "Harassment page needs to be updated (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907673
[18:40] <pangolin> it is pretty bad when we organize events that need to come with "Don't go for a walk" disclaimer
[18:44] <AlanBell> Monte Carlo is the only city I have ever wondered about at night and felt totally relaxed
[18:46]  * MarkDude will be there with some others for UDS
[18:46] <pangolin> AlanBell: I've never been to Monte Carlo but I will admit that there are parts of my city I would not wonder by myself at night
[18:46] <MarkDude> You can walk in Oakland, it is best to do IN A GROUP
[18:47] <akk> Most cities have parts where it's not safe to walk alone at night.
[18:47]  * MarkDude worked in East Oakland for a while (where the most killings are)
[18:47] <pangolin> true
[18:47] <Cheri703> we wandered budapest and it was good
[18:47] <Cheri703> at least the areas we were in
[18:47] <MarkDude> Plan on taking a cab if worried
[18:48] <MarkDude> Also avoid the Tenbderloin in SF at night
[18:48] <nigelb> I cycled through, got last, and still was safe :)
[18:48] <AlanBell> I will walk round London, but I am always fully aware of what is going on around me,  Monte Carlo for some reason felt like wandering around your own house. Strange place.
[18:48] <nigelb> (got lost twice)
[18:48] <pleia2> I pretty much don't go past 5th and market in SF alone at night
[18:48]  * MarkDude wanders around SF during day looking like a tourist, no prob
[18:49] <pleia2> civic center gets creepy
[18:49]  * MarkDude looks up at buildings- says wow
[18:49] <pleia2> but I'm fine east of market to the embarcadero
[18:49] <pleia2> err, east of market and 5th
[18:49] <MarkDude> nightime - look straight ahead
[18:49]  * pleia2 walks through financial district alone at night often
[18:50] <pleia2> it's touristy, well lit, and lots of cameras
[18:50] <MarkDude> Financial is just fine, unless you stray towards the Tenderloin
[18:50]  * MarkDude has taken wrong turn before
[18:50] <MarkDude> Hmmm, I think these folks are selling me drugs..... I am not even sure what a 37 is
[18:51] <pleia2> lol
[18:51]  * MarkDude is wondering how many folks will appear *sleepy* in photos from UDS
[18:51] <MarkDude> I mean its also called Oaksterdam
[18:52] <pangolin> altighty then.
[18:52] <pangolin> err alrighty*
[18:53] <MarkDude> At least some folks from Europe were making jokes about it. I had to tell them that NO, weed is not actually legal for everyone, just folks that pay$50 to a sorta fake Dr
[18:56] <mysteriousdarren> MarkDude: oh to live in MT or CA....
[19:00] <MarkDude> lol
[19:15] <butti_> re
[19:16] <butti_> ist the meeting already over?
[19:17] <pangolin> it is
[19:17] <Tubu> is it!?
[19:17] <pangolin> yes
[19:17] <pangolin> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2012/ubuntu-women-project.2012-01-10-18.03.moin.txt
[19:17] <pangolin> it was short and sweet
[19:17] <Tubu> ow
[19:17] <butti_> sorry ..it was to shirt :)
[19:18] <butti_> short*
[19:19] <butti_> just wanted to find out what are yu doing on your wnderfull ubuntu machines
[19:19] <butti_> i know only 1 women using ubuntu in real....thats me
[19:20] <Tubu> no that's me!
[19:20] <AlanBell> butti_: there is more of a discussion going on in #ubuntu-women at the moment
[19:21] <pleia2> butti_: I work as a linux sysadmin (from my ubuntu machine)
[19:21] <butti_> oh great! wonderfull
[19:22] <butti_> AlanBell: what are you doing with your machine?
[19:22] <AlanBell> I work with Free Software, helping businesses to use it
[19:23] <butti_> nobel
[19:25] <AlanBell> profitable :)
[19:25] <pangolin> most honest statement I have ever seen ^
[19:33] <butti_> AlanBell: share your job with us :)
[19:34] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk website is a bit rubbish at the moment, but gives an idea of what we do


[05:26] <dpm> zsombi, so the alarms branch for clock is ready to go, right? \o/
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <zsombi> dpm: right :)
[06:59] <dpm> awesome :)
[07:46] <nik90> good morning everyone
[07:53] <nik90> zsombi: on testing it on nexus 4, it doesnt seem to save the alarm
[07:53] <nik90> zsombi: I press the save button and it returns to to the main alarm page but the alarm has not been saved
[07:53] <nik90> zsombi: it works on desktop though
[07:54] <zsombi> nik90: there was some update on EDS backend, so that may be broken :(
[07:54] <nik90> zsombi: ah :(
[07:55] <zsombi> nik90: there can be millions of issues with that... check with renato.
[07:55] <nik90> zsombi: should I push my branch in nonetheless since it is an upstream issue?
[07:56] <zsombi> nik90: I'd say yes
[07:56] <nik90> zsombi: okay. I am top approving it now
[08:04] <nik90> dpm, popey: I added the county info at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-county-info
[08:04] <nik90> dpm, popey: I just need some design confirmation before it can go in
[08:04]  * popey looks
[08:05] <dpm> nik90, nice work, I saw the mp, but I haven't tested it yet. Does it look good visually in your opinion?
[08:05]  * popey tests on his device
[08:06] <nik90> dpm: somewhat okay
[08:06] <nik90> dpm: hard to say :)
[08:07] <popey> dpm: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-tutorials-dev can you add me pls?
[08:08] <dpm> popey, done :)
[08:08] <nik90> dpm: although I noticed that sometimes the county name is the same as the city name. For instance on search Delft, the first three entries have delft as the county name. I guess when that happens, I should add a rule to hide the county info.
[08:08] <popey> dpm: ta
[08:09] <popey> nik90: well. "New York, New York" is valid, surely?
[08:09] <dpm> :)
[08:09] <dpm> nik90, yeah, and also depending on whether there are duplicates, I guess. It might be worth still to show it there
[08:10] <nik90> popey: :)
[08:11] <nik90> dpm: it is hard to check for duplicates since it is a delegate and hence does not work entirely with indexes.
[08:15] <nik90> kalikiana: your update concerning moving the sqlite database to .local/share/app-name landed as an update. However the clock app creates its sqlite database still in .local/share/Qt Project/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/..
[08:15] <nik90> kalikiana: any idea why? I have not hardcoded the path.
[08:16] <nik90> kalikiana: However i do have a directory .local/share/ubuntu-clock-app/ which stores the alarm database
[08:17] <kalikiana> nik90: could you give me a link to the repo? then I will check it
[08:17] <dpm> nik90, it might be worth looking at m-b-o's implementation, he used JS and the geonames.org JSON feed, that might be a bit more flexible
[08:17] <dpm> not saying which one is best, but it might be worth looking at both implementations
[08:17] <nik90> kalikiana: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk
[08:18] <nik90> dpm: sure
[08:18] <nik90> dpm: however both json and xml create a model used by listview. And in the listview I use a delegate
[08:18] <dpm> ah, I see
[08:19] <nik90> dpm: I will see if m-b-o fixes the issue and if he does then use json..
[08:19] <nik90> dpm: the problem is that the online api does not return only cities, it sometimes return the city center which looks like a duplicate but is not technically
[08:20] <nik90> kalikiana: just add a world city or a new timer preset .. anything..that should create a local sqlite storage
[08:22] <popey> nik90: dpm http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-092122.png
[08:22] <popey> not sure why there's two in hampshire
[08:22] <popey> (there aren't)
[08:23] <nik90> hey guys, i am not sure if you noticed but on a nexus 4, if I leave a qml+javascript app like any of the showdown apps or a core apps running while the phone is suspended for a few hours, when I unlock it, it is very laggy.
[08:23] <nik90> I have to do a pkill unity8 to fix it
[08:23] <nik90> seems like qmlscene is leaking memory
[08:23] <dpm> I've noticed it, yeah, but I did not research further
[08:24] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1221153
[08:24] <popey> wonder if it's that
[08:24] <nik90> popey: inception ^^ farmborough in farmborough
[08:24] <popey> ☻
[08:25] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-092457.png newport is another good test case
[08:25] <nik90> popey: there may be a hidden farmborough in farmborough (hampshire)
[08:25] <popey> The Crown Principality of popey's house.
[08:25] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-092526.png has odd sort order
[08:25] <popey> L then C then L
[08:26] <nik90> In your newport case, they are not exactly duplciated or atleast I have no idea how to detect duplicates with different strings
[08:27] <nik90> popey: the order is due to the online API. On talking to the SDK devs some time back, there is no qml way to order a listview. I am afraid I am stuck there
[08:27] <popey> oof
[08:28] <nik90> besides the order is a low priority issue we can tackle next cycle. The higher priority is to distinguish between duplicate results which I thought was resolved until you showed the farnborough case **sighs**
[08:28] <nik90> as I said before, you always find new bugs
[08:31] <popey> \o/
[08:31] <popey> You love me really. ☻
[08:31] <nik90> hehe
[08:32] <kalikiana> you can order a model. if needed by using another model based on your original data.
[08:32] <nik90> I am going to add a specific case if (Popey), do something special and act like everything is fine :)
[08:32] <kalikiana> a little extra hassle but it does the job
[08:32] <nik90> kalikiana: hmm yeah I think I could do that
[08:33] <nik90> kalikiana: although if the original model is big, then it would be time consuming
[08:33] <kalikiana> yeah. if you can sorting the data to begin with can be more efficient
[08:35] <kalikiana> hrm how do you run, or install the clock app?
[08:35] <nik90> kalikiana: its a xmlListModel (orginal one), so I am not sure how to do sorting as I get it
[08:35] <nik90> kalikiana: just qmlscene ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[08:35] <kalikiana> that doesn't work, it doesn't find its data files
[08:35] <kalikiana> complains about ClockPage
[08:36] <nik90> weird
[08:36] <kalikiana> hm even more weird, now it runs
[08:36] <kalikiana> magic clearly
[08:36] <nik90> yup
[08:41] <kalikiana> dang I confirm, it still uses the old location for the database… do you mind filing a bug? I will come up with a solution asap
[08:42] <nik90> kalikiana: under ui-toolkit?
[08:43] <kalikiana> yep
[08:43] <nik90> sure
[08:43] <kalikiana> I wish I could add a test case for it, but the toolkit doesn't depend on sqlite storage plugin :-(
[08:47] <nik90> kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1231863
[08:49] <nik90> popey: you could be right about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1221153
[08:50] <popey>  08:50:23 up 1 day, 31 min,  0 users,  load average: 9.29, 8.76, 8.55
[08:50] <popey> ok, my phone has been on for a while
[08:52] <nik90> still high
[08:52] <popey> damnit, why don't we ship with screen or tmux on the phone! ☹
[08:53] <nik90> renato: ping (concerning EDS bug affecting alarms)
[08:53] <nik90> renato: let me know when you come online
[09:10] <nik90> popey: one last test for https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/sync-clock-backend (btw requires you to delete old db)
[09:11] <nik90> popey: and then if it works as expected, pls also add a comment approving MP
[09:11] <popey> ok
[09:11] <nik90> popey: expected behavior: If location returned is "None" like in your case, it will request the user to set the location manually
[09:11] <nik90> for other locations, it will set it correctly
[09:41] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-104128.png
[09:41] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-104144.png
[09:45] <nik90> popey: yup that's how it is supposed to work
[09:45] <nik90> popey: thnx. I think that branch is good to merge now
[09:45] <popey> good good
[09:45] <nik90> thnx
[09:45] <dpm> nice work with the arguments for calendar WebbyIT :)
[09:45] <popey> approved
[09:46] <WebbyIT> thanks dpm :)
[09:46] <WebbyIT> dpm, are they okay or you prefers other arguments?
[09:47] <dpm> WebbyIT, I think they are good. Let me add tedg as a reviewer, as he was requesting them on the bug
[09:47] <WebbyIT> nice
[09:48] <nik90> dpm: would we need arguments for the clock app to go directly to alarms for instance?
[09:49] <nik90> WebbyIT: nice work
[09:49] <WebbyIT> thnx
[09:49] <dpm> nik90, I don't know to be honest, I'm not familiar enough with the Alarms API yet, either
[09:49] <dpm> we might want to drag tedg to the channel when he comes online later on
[09:50] <nik90> okay
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Hello dpm
[09:57] <dpm> hi smartboyhw, I got your reply, thanks! ;)
[09:57] <smartboyhw> dpm, any ideas who I will be working with? ;0
[09:57] <smartboyhw> ;) actually
[09:57] <dpm> smartboyhw, I'm creating the LP team today, yes
[09:57] <smartboyhw> dpm, :)
[10:02] <mehow>  is such a dick :)
[10:03] <nik90> dpm: I am getting an error when trying to update translation strings http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162134/
[10:03] <nik90> mehow: hello :)
[10:04] <mehow> sorry someone hacked my computer ;)
[10:06] <dpm> nik90, ah, it seems I listed the source files in the po/po.pro file as having JS files under alarm/ and there aren't any?
[10:07]  * dpm updates branch and checks
[10:07] <nik90> dpm: nope
[10:07] <nik90> :)
[10:08] <nik90> dpm: I can fix it while updating the strings
[10:08] <nik90> dpm: I need to just remove the line ../alarm/*.js \ in po.pro?
[10:08] <dpm> nik90, exactly. That'd be cool, thanks
[10:09] <nik90> mehow: since you are here, mind giving your design thoughts on http://imgur.com/OpVN0oy
[10:09] <nik90> mehow: we added an additional line to show county info
[10:09]  * dpm likes nik90's sense of opportunity :)
[10:09] <mehow> hahah :) looking good, but maybe lets try to st
[10:09] <nik90> dpm: hehe
[10:10] <mehow> lets put the UK etc into the second line ?
[10:10] <mehow> so there will be just 2 lines ?
[10:10] <nik90> mehow: the first line is for the city, 2nd line is for county, state info and the 3rd line is country
[10:11] <nik90> mehow: however if there are no county or state info, then only 2 lines will be shown
[10:11] <nik90> mehow: I could add the country in the 2nd line, however I have seen some counties which are pretty long and will cause the lines to overlap
[10:11] <nik90> overflow*
[10:12] <mehow> yeah, but I think 2 lines still looks better than 3
[10:12] <mehow> and we could do something with the font colour ( second line )
[10:13] <nik90> mehow: I have no problem adding country to the 2nd line. As for font color, let me know what you like. Should be an easy change
[10:14] <nik90> mehow: so what happens when the text overflows the space available?
[10:15] <nik90> dpm: In the alarm main page, when an alarm is saved, it shows the days the alarm is active on like "Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri" etc...how do we translate them?
[10:15] <dpm> with Qt.locale()
[10:15] <dpm> let me see with which function
[10:15] <dpm> I know you can give it an index and it will return the localized name
[10:15] <nik90> dpm: I already used Qt.locale() for the days, but these are shortened versions of the actual day name
[10:16] <dpm> there are different versions available, and I _think_ shortened version should be one of them, let me check
[10:16] <nik90> for instance I use Qt.locale().standaloneDayName(1) to show the day options while setting an alarm day
[10:16] <nik90> okay
[10:17] <dpm> exactly, I'm just hoping there is a Qt.locale().prettypleasegivemeashortenedDayName(1)
[10:19] <nik90> dpm: I see string Locale::dayName(day, type) where you can mention the type as short or long.
[10:19] <nik90> will check if that works
[10:20] <dpm> nik90, Qt.locale().standaloneDayName(1, type) -> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qml-qtquick2-locale.html#formattype
[10:20] <dpm> where type is Locale.ShortFormat
[10:20] <nik90> yup
[10:21]  * nik90 is trying now
[10:21] <dpm> ah, sorry, I was reading the docs and missed your comment
[10:34] <nik90> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-translations-0.7/+merge/188009
[10:35] <dpm> nik90, and approved, thanks!
[10:36] <nik90> dpm: saw ur comment, hehe
[10:37] <dpm> mihir_, WebbyIT, ok, we've got design input for the last calculator bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1226738
[10:38] <WebbyIT> dpm, this not solve our doubt: what happend if I press 1+2*= ?
[10:39] <dpm> WebbyIT, I interpreted that case to be "I would expect that after entering an operand such as '+', if I then hit a different operand like 'x' it would change the operand, because I've just changed my mind."
[10:40] <dpm> so in that case, 1+2*= would actually become 1*2=
[10:40] <mihir_> dpm: in the scenario mentioned in comment ,
[10:40] <dpm> and the result would be 2
[10:40] <mihir_> currently, we are not allowing user to change sign once they have  added the sign
[10:40] <mihir_> they have to use C button to add other sign
[10:41] <mihir_> dpm: do you really want that needs to be implemented , like if user change mind of the sign ?? :-/
[10:42] <dpm> I don't have a strong opinion on this one, other than agreeing with you that the current implementation might lead to confusion. It might be worth discussing it with Dani or Christina
[10:43] <mihir_> dpm: yeah that would be great !!
[10:43] <WebbyIT> dpm, IMO there are two ways: or ignore last sign, or doesn't do calc if there isn't a number
[10:45] <mihir_> WebbyIT: as par dani's commnet ...currently we are not handling changing sign once user enter
[10:45] <dpm> mihir_, when you say sign, do you mean operator perhaps?
[10:45] <dpm> let me see if I can get Dani in here, or if not we can discuss it with christina next week when she's back
[10:45] <mihir_> dpm: yes i meant operator (+,-,/)
[10:51] <Gue______> Hi guys!
[10:51] <Gue______> I'm Dani, Ux designer @canonical
[10:52] <WebbyIT> Hi Gue______ :)
[10:52] <Gue______> you were discussing the calculator bug on here, right?
[10:55] <mihir_> hey Uxdoc
[10:56] <mihir_> WebbyIT: And I are working on calculator
[10:57] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, about bug 1226738, we think that your solution isn't the best possible
[10:57] <Uxdoc> ok let's talk about it
[10:58] <Uxdoc> which problems do you see on what I was proposing?
[10:59] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, I think that if an user press a sign and after equal, is because he changes it's mind and doesn't want to use last sign
[10:59] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, so IMO  there are two ways: or ignore last sign, or doesn't do calc if there isn't a number
[11:00] <mihir_> WebbyIT: ignoring would be better option indeed
[11:00] <mihir_> but actually if you see calculator it changes the sign accordingly :|
[11:01] <Uxdoc> Ignoring the last last sign is exactly what I had in mind
[11:01] <mihir_> say If i press + and but i want to use * then i shouldn't have one more touch to C
[11:01] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, oh, well, so there was a misunderstand
[11:01] <Uxdoc> yes i think so…
[11:02] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, we understand that if user press 1+2*= we have to calc 1*2
[11:02] <mihir_> Uxdoc: what do you prefer ??
[11:02] <Uxdoc> I was thinking 9*9- , we ingnore the -
[11:02] <mihir_> but in UI it'll be visible is that correct ?
[11:03] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, or we have to delete last sign?
[11:03] <Uxdoc> I would say we kill the last sign
[11:03] <mihir_> but WebbyIT deleting last sign how UI will react if I do like this 1+2*= ??
[11:04] <WebbyIT> mihir_, we have only to use formulaPop(),
[11:04] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, ok, thanks
[11:05] <mihir_> WebbyIT: agreed :) got that point but we'll first remove that sign & then perform calcualtion correc?
[11:05] <mihir_> correct*
[11:05] <WebbyIT> mihir_, right, it's an easy bugfix, let's me show you the code
[11:05] <Uxdoc> cool! cheers guys
[11:05] <Uxdoc> and very nice to meet you
[11:06] <mihir_> Uxdoc: you too :) thanks for your time :)
[11:06] <WebbyIT> Uxdoc, our pleasure, thanks for your patience :)
[11:11] <mihir_> Uxdoc: ping !!
[11:11] <mihir_> WebbyIT: one more doubt i got :|
[11:21] <mihir_> dpm: branch pushed :)
[11:21] <mihir_> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/1226738/+merge/188022
[11:22] <mihir_> dpm: sorry missed link
[11:23] <mihir_> pushed in calendar bymistake :)
[11:23] <nik90> mihir_: lol
[11:23] <mihir_> nik90:  hahaha
[11:23] <mihir_> cal make me confusion :(
[11:26] <nik90> I can imagine clock, calendar, calculator... jesus
[11:27] <dpm> mihir_, nice one, I just hope you don't add calculator support to the calendar... :)
[11:27] <nik90> :)
[11:29] <mihir_> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/1226738/+merge/188024
[11:31] <dpm> mihir_, thanks! Could you add a detailed description of the changes and the solution chosen? The bug link does not contain the IRC discussion, and I'm not sure what you guys have agreed to with design
[11:32] <renato> nik90, hi
[11:33] <nik90> renato: hi
[11:34] <nik90> renato: I am unable to save alarms on the phone
[11:34] <renato> nik90, what is the problem with the EDS plugin? Do you have a test?
[11:34] <nik90> renato: zsombi connected his alarms manager to the EDS plugin
[11:35] <nik90> renato: I did not notice any error messages which was weird
[11:35] <nik90> renato: on the desktop it works fine
[11:36] <renato> nik90, can you isolate the problem?
[11:36] <nik90> renato: not really since it is not a issue in the clock app. I only know that it happens on phone and not the desktop during my test
[11:37] <nik90> renato: is there anything particular I should do to identify the issue?
[11:38] <renato> nik90, I really do not know the alarm components to understand what is happening, we should talk with szombi to try to understand where is the error
[11:38] <nik90> renato: +1
[11:38] <nik90> zsombi: you there?
[11:38] <zsombi> nik90: for few minutes more yes
[11:39] <nik90> zsombi: renato wanted to discuss with you the alarm components to identify issue in EDS
[11:39] <nik90> conversation ^^
[11:39] <zsombi> nik90: first we need some logs to isolate the issue as renato said
[11:40] <zsombi> nik90: I need to see whether you see some warning when launching/opening the alarms tab which is related to alarms
[11:41] <nik90> renato, zsombi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162405/
[11:41] <nik90> the log when opening the app on the phone
[11:41] <mihir_> dpm: I have linked the bug :)
[11:43] <dpm> mihir_, I know you have, but it'd be good to have a more detailed explanation for the review, especially as the bug does not contain the discussion on IRC
[11:43] <nik90> zsombi: agree. All I need to know is what logs you guys need and I can get that for you. Otherwise i am clueless
[11:43] <mihir_> dpm: updating it :)
[11:43] <dpm> excellent, thanks mihir_! :)
[11:44] <renato> nik90, could you create a small example with the error ?
[11:45] <renato> nik90, just create a alarm and list it
[11:45] <nik90> renato: you mean a sample app with just alarms being created and listed?
[11:45] <renato> nik90, I think zsombi has this
[11:45] <zsombi> renato: nik90: all seems to be OK: EDS is used, save is trigfgered, the fetch after the save is also happening... so you should have the alarm visible
[11:46] <zsombi> nik90: it's in the SDK trunk, under tests/resources/alarm
[11:47] <zsombi> renato: nik90: however the last fetch stops at itemsAsyncStart!!!
[11:48] <zsombi> nik90: have you created a repeating alarm?
[11:48] <mihir_> dpm: done :) https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calculator-app/1226738/+merge/188024
[11:48] <nik90> zsombi: nope just a one time alarm
[11:48] <mihir_> dpm: let me know if it needs to be modified :)
[11:48] <nik90> zsombi: I normally hide the listview when the alarm model is empty, however I removed that code. The listview is still empty
[11:48] <zsombi> nik90: renato: ok.. beware that repeating alarms are very sloooooooooooooow to create + list
[11:49] <zsombi> nik90: renato: as said, the last fetch request seems that has not completed
[11:50] <nik90> zsombi: you mean the fetch request to list all alarms has not completed?
[11:50] <dpm> thanks mihir_, the description looks really good and clear now
[11:50] <zsombi> nik90: yes
[11:51] <zsombi> nik90: actually, none of the fetches seems to complete.. renato?
[11:51] <nik90> zsombi: you have seen the alarms code for clock app, I am not doing anything special there. The listview just take alarmmodel as input
[11:52] <zsombi> nik90: yes, I know... that's not the problem, the problem is elsewhere. Get the logs from the desktop and compare those
[11:52] <renato> zsombi, nik90, the fetch is a loop over all collections its is called once for each collection
[11:52] <renato> zsombi, and its stops if there is no more collection
[11:53] <zsombi> renato: I just don't see the itemsAsync completion anywhere
[11:53] <renato> zsombi, itemsAsyncListed
[11:54] <nik90> zsombi: cannot use desktop logs since it is essentially just http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162459/. It makes no EDS calls
[11:54] <mihir_> dpm: thank you :)
[11:54] <renato> nik90, could you try the zsombi example?
[11:54] <nik90> renato: yeah
[11:54] <zsombi> nik90: well, no wonder that it works there...
[11:54] <zsombi> nik90: do you have saucy on your PC?
[11:55] <nik90> zsombi: yup running this on latest saucy
[11:55] <zsombi> nik90: then pls install qtorganizer-eds package
[11:56] <renato> zsombi, nik90 , the steps are:  itemsAsyncStart (exit is there is no more collections to list)- > itemsAsyncConnected ->  itemsAsyncListed -> go back to start
[11:56] <dpm> mihir_, no worries, do you have everything you need to work on the display event view?
[11:56] <renato> nik90, how many alarm models do you have on your app?
[11:57] <mihir_> dpm: yes I am in office will go home and will work on that :)
[11:57] <nik90> renato: just one
[11:57] <zsombi> nik90: renato: it was working pretty well with the last version I have tested, there were no modifications in the adaptation
[11:57] <nik90> renato: i pass that when required
[11:57] <zsombi> renato: it does not matter, the model loads the data from a singleton object
[11:58] <zsombi> renato: I mean each model you have in QML loads from the same object
[11:58] <nik90> zsombi, renato: I installed the qtorganizor5-eds package on saucy and testing on desktop it works!!!
[11:58] <nik90> zsombi, renato: desktop log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162465/
[12:01] <dpm> I hate LP blueprints
[12:01] <dpm> I add a work item and LP eats two :/
[12:03] <mihir_> dpm: it never worked for me on first time :(
[12:03] <mihir_> sorry for spamming mail:(
[12:07] <nik90> zsombi, renato: Tried zsombi's test app. Works fine on desktop but not on phone
[12:08] <gusch> om26er: any idea what the problem is, that tests keep failaing? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/407/?
[12:09] <dpm> WebbyIT, now that you've submitted the arguments branch, would you be interested in taking this work item to offload Kunal a bit? [pkunal-parmar] Implement edit event view: TODO -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-calendar-development
[12:13] <dpm> Kunal mentioned that the same branch for his "create event" view can be reused for "edit event" lp:pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/newevent
[12:15] <renato> nik90, I will take a look on that today
[12:15] <renato> give me some minutes to finish others tasks here
[12:15] <nik90> renato: thnx
[12:25] <rottinrob> good morning everyone
[12:29] <dpm> hi rottinrob :)
[12:38] <nik90> renato: btw you can use https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/alarmtest to test if it works on your phone or not later. I put it in a qmlproject so all you need to do is Ctrl+F12 to run on phone
[13:07] <om26er> gusch, ouh, otto is problematic
[13:08] <gusch> om26er: it's blocking integration ...
[13:20] <smartboyhw> dpm, thank you for adding me into your G+ circle;)
[13:20]  * smartboyhw adds dpm back
[13:21] <gusch> fginther: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/407/?
[13:21] <gusch> om26er: ^ that one is always failing
[13:22] <om26er> otto is chaotic ;)
[13:23] <gusch> oSoMoN: hi - I'm pretty sure you have a minute for a MR ... ;)
[13:23] <gusch> oSoMoN: if yes https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-hono-picker-select-type-fix-content-store-transfer/+merge/187843
[13:25] <gusch> boiko renato maybone of you? ^
[13:27] <oSoMoN> gusch: sure, I’ll take it
[13:44] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx
[13:44] <gusch> oSoMoN: just test to set a new background in the settings, if it works, and if gallery is in single select mode
[13:48] <davmor2> beuno, mhall119: We currently have 2 click apps for G+ one with an image (when you click on the app) one without an image, the one with the image fails to start the one without an image works fine are we able to figure out what is going on with all of that?
[13:48] <smartboyhw> dpm, uh hum, Google Hangouts
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Is that on Air?
[13:48] <beuno> davmor2, yes, being worked on
[13:48] <davmor2> smartboyhw: it's what is used for on Air
[13:49] <davmor2> beuno: fair enough
[13:49] <dpm> smartboyhw, no worries, if that's not available where you live, we can do IRC
[13:49] <smartboyhw> dpm, it's not where I live, it's age restrictions (you forgotten about the post I wrote?)
[13:49] <dpm> ah, yeah :)
[13:50] <dpm> in any case, we can do IRC
[13:52] <smartboyhw> dpm, sure, IRC is good for me
[13:52] <mhall119> davmor2: beuno : remove my G+ package (the one with the image)
[13:53] <mhall119> it was an experiment in packaging webapps with click anyway
[13:53] <beuno> mhall119, you can unpublish it if it's yours
[13:54] <davmor2> beuno: does that mean you can get rid of your app now too then?
[13:55] <beuno> davmor2, which one?
[13:56] <davmor2> beuno: hello world
[13:56] <beuno> davmor2, no!  that's like my favorite app!
[13:56] <davmor2> beuno: haha
[13:57] <mhall119> beuno: unpublished
[13:58] <davmor2> beuno: you worked long and hard on that I know
[13:58] <beuno> mhall119, thanks
[14:00] <mhall119> davmor2: how will I know how to greet the world if beuno removes his app?
[14:00] <mhall119> I might accidently say "Howdy world" or "Hey y'all world"
[14:00] <beuno> or worse!  you forget to say hello!
[14:02] <mhall119> or say goodbye
[14:02] <davmor2> mhall119: E:NO_SETTING_GOODBYE
[14:03] <mihir> davmor2: are we gonna meet for design meeting or it is gonna be cancel ?
[14:04] <davmor2> mihir: no idea popey or mhall119 might be a better call for that
[14:04] <ahayzen> mhall119, ping
[14:04] <mihir> sorry i had to ping dpm
[14:05] <mhall119> ahayzen: pong
[14:06] <ahayzen> mhall119, i'm having an issue with Jenkins failing, would be able to have a quick look? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/fix-1229905/+merge/188049
[14:36] <mihir> dpm: popey: ping !!
[14:36] <popey> PONG!
[14:37] <popey> mhall119: I'll create "Ahoy-hoy world" for you. As this is the correct greeting.
[14:39] <mihir> popey:  no design meeting right ?
[14:40] <dpm> mihir, correct :)
[14:44] <mhall119> balloons: can you help ahayzen with his jenkins problem?
[14:45] <balloons> mhall119, ahayzen the tests for music were broken by the grilo update from victor on monday. It should merge fine
[14:45] <ahayzen> balloons, ah i see ok
[14:45] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks
[14:46] <balloons> ahayzen, yw :-) Getting the tests to use the mediascanner is going to be tricky
[14:46] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah that could be interesting :/
[15:07] <popey> nik90: bit of a bug with alarms... when setting alarm, the hour doesn't line up with traditional hours
[15:07] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-160737.png
[15:07] <popey> bum, one mo
[15:08] <nik90> hmm black pic?
[15:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-160819.png
[15:08] <popey> yeah, wrong phone plugged in
[15:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-160817.png
[15:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-160814.png
[15:08] <popey> etc
[15:09] <popey> oh, it's 00 to 23?
[15:09] <nik90> yup
[15:09] <popey> well that threw me ☻
[15:09] <nik90> its from 0 to 23
[15:09] <nik90> we might need clock markers for this since it differs from others
[15:10] <nik90> I will report a bug and inform lina and mehow about this
[15:19] <nik90> dpm: just sent you an email regarding the meeting we had. Can you plan out the next meeting such that everyone involved is in it.
[15:19] <nik90> dpm: until then we can continue the discussion in the email I sent out.
[15:23] <mihir> anybody has an idea to change color of just one view from the page ??
[15:27] <mihir> I am trying like this :- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6163159/
[15:48] <AskUbuntu> What about a Distro dedicated to engineers? | http://askubuntu.com/q/350797
[16:07] <mihir> nik90: ping
[16:11] <nik90> mihir: pong
[16:12] <mihir> nik90: any idea to change color of just one view of application from the page ??
[16:13] <nik90> mihir: I havent done one personally, but what happens when you try changing the main view colors when inside a page?
[16:13] <nik90> mihir: although I did hear that some people who did manage to have separate colors for every page has warnings being shown all the time.
[16:14] <mihir> nik90: I can't I did try to access headercolor,footercolor & background using parent: but couldn't found any of them
[16:14] <nik90> mihir: take a look at https://launchpad.net/geldliste, that app does this
[16:15] <nik90> mihir: you cannot access the mainview headercolor etc from another page. Why dont you do the opposite?
[16:15] <nik90> mihir: when the tab is changed, set the mainview color from the main page?
[16:17] <mihir> Hmmmm lemme try
[16:22] <Laney> Is there a way to have a Grid space its components so that they are left and right aligned (with anchors.left and anchors.right set)?
[16:26] <nik90> Laney: I haven't used Grid myself, but couldn't you anchor the Grid itself which should automatically position its components automatically?
[16:27] <Laney> nik90: no, that's what it is
[16:27] <nik90> Laney: Are you having the issue where there is a gap between the left most element and the app left side?
[16:27] <nik90> and hence want to left align them?
[16:27] <Laney> The gap on the right is bigger than on the left
[16:27] <nik90> ah
[16:27] <Laney> I want that to be equal
[16:29] <nik90> In that case, maybe you need a formula to determine the spacing dynamically based on the app width, no of items in the row and width of each item
[16:31] <Laney> I guess so
[16:32] <nik90> spacing = (appWidth - 2*grid.leftMargin - widthOfItem)/ No of items in row
[16:32] <nik90> laney ^^
[16:32] <nik90> Havent tested it, but after drawing a figure and some calcualtion, thats the formula I arrive that
[17:06] <jvespinal> Hi
[17:06] <jvespinal> who can help me?
[17:42] <puntoclassic> hi, I'm waiting for my nexus 4. At the same time I can test the app and participate in the development without having a physical device? I tried to work the calendar app but I can not create events I generate events with type mouse clicks and the like.
[17:52] <AskUbuntu> How to embed a new Window on GTK Quickly Glade | http://askubuntu.com/q/350845
[17:57] <renato> fginther, now the MR is building, but there is something wrong with the tests. Could you take a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1213046/+merge/186223
[17:58] <fginther> renato, yes. I'm already investigating some other tests here
[20:38] <AskUbuntu> Automatic version number management | http://askubuntu.com/q/350906


[10:43] <johhnn> Hello, I am using GtkEntry to get user input in my app. Is it possible to remember this input and set it to entrybox when the app is closed and launched again?
[10:43] <johhnn> The text field resets when the app is launched again.
[10:58] <commandoline> johhnn: how about saving the contents as a setting?
[10:59] <johhnn> How to do that? I am making app for the first time :)
[11:01] <commandoline> hmm, just a moment, I'll see if I can find some details for GTK (I'm using Qt myself)
[11:02] <commandoline> ok, it looks like a window has a 'delete-event' (that's how it's literally called in GTK)
[11:04] <commandoline> if you react on that by saving the setting, e.g. via the http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html module if you're using python.
[11:04] <commandoline> and just read out the setting again when starting.
[11:05] <johhnn> I found a guide for gsettings --> http://www.micahcarrick.com/gsettings-python-gnome-3.html
[11:05] <commandoline> fine too
[11:06] <johhnn> yeah thanks for the link, i am reading it now :)
[11:07] <commandoline> The last approach is what gnome apps would typically do, but it looks like a bit more work to me (writing a scheme first). Just use whatever you prefer.
[11:43] <johhnn> commandoline: hey thanks configparser works like charm, feels like magic :)
[19:55] <imnichol> I'm using quickly and I'd like to have a list of things, what widget should I use?
[19:58] <commandoline> http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/treeview.html I'd think (but I'm not a GTK dev myself)
[19:58] <commandoline> imnichol: ^
[19:58] <imnichol> Thanks commandoline
[21:52] <Phoenix87> any idea about how I can get rid of /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py:391: Warning: g_object_set_property: construct property "type" for object `Window' can't be set after construction
[22:27] <guinea-pig> Phoenix87: it's not in your project
[22:29] <guinea-pig> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678510
[22:29] <guinea-pig> http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=de4aa426002eeb09a060f8fd70bd6cb25a17766a
[22:29] <ubot2> Gnome bug 678510 in introspection "g_object_set_property: construct property "type" for object `Window' can't be set after construction" [Minor,Resolved: fixed]


[00:08] <Seveas> Seeker`, ?
[00:38] <Seeker`> Seveas: Mootbot had disappeared, just wnted to check it was ok to restart it
[02:41] <Hobbsee> greetings
[02:45] <Pici> Hi
[02:46] <no0tic> hi
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> moo
[08:39] <Seveas> Seeker`, it is
[08:39] <Seveas> had a spontaneous reboot on that machine
[08:44] <PriceChild> Most sparse conversation ever.
[09:30] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Pierro)
[09:30] <ubotu> Pierro called the ops in #ubuntu (bazhang)
[09:45] <PriceChild> incoming
[09:45] <PriceChild> Seveas: Piero_Scaruffi
[09:46] <Seveas> PriceChild, fun
[09:46] <Piero_Scaruffi> I am sorry Seveas
[09:48] <PriceChild> the bantracker has changed..
[09:48] <Piero_Scaruffi> bantracker?
[09:48] <PriceChild> nm, was looking at factoids
[09:49] <Piero_Scaruffi> so how long are channelbans for?
[09:50] <Piero_Scaruffi> you guys most have some kind of guidelines but i can't find them on freenode
[09:50] <PriceChild> !guidelines | Piero_Scaruffi
[09:50] <ubotu> Piero_Scaruffi: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:50] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: (one moment while I catch up)
[09:50] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> i understand the first ban but the second is ackward
[09:51] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: you called "!ot | persons_name" -why?
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> because bazhang called ot for me while i didnt do that much wrong really
[09:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> but talk offtopic
[09:52] <PriceChild> right....
[09:52] <PriceChild> you call !ot, when someone is offtopic.
[09:52] <PriceChild> You don't call it because they called it on you because you were offtopic...?
[09:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> oh sorry ot well he doesnt have a clue about the ubuntu philosophy of tolerance
[09:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> thats why
[09:53] <PriceChild> Ubuntu has a philosophy on tolerance?
[09:53] <Piero_Scaruffi> i got emotional i apologize the first ban was justified for that reason
[09:53] <Piero_Scaruffi> but the second ban was ackward
[09:53] <elkbuntu> Piero_Scaruffi, something useful to know is the /topic command, it'll show the channel's topic to you... it usually has useful information in it
[09:54] <PriceChild> and someone not knowing of a philosophy of tolerance.... isn't being offtopic, so im still sure why you repeatedly called !ot?
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> i did it 2x maybe 2x
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> 3x*
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok well
[09:54] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: how did you find #ubuntu-nl? Why did you join?
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> thats all wrong i suppose
[09:54] <Piero_Scaruffi> i always join there
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> after the first ban i went in there
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> i was banned for the behavior in ubuntu
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> in ubuntu-nl
[09:55] <Piero_Scaruffi> bit werd though
[09:55] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: You say you always join there, when was the last time you joined #ubuntu-nl, before today?
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> couple of days ago
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> dont remember exactly
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> never had any problems there
[09:56] <Piero_Scaruffi> just my bad luck Seveas is an op there also
[09:57] <PriceChild> Hmm you do indeed.
[09:57] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: So anyway, why do you think you were banned in #ubuntu?
[09:57] <Piero_Scaruffi> double jeopardy doesnt apply on IRC i suppose
[09:57] <PriceChild> or do you not mind about being banned there and only want to discuss #ubuntu-nl?
[09:57] <Piero_Scaruffi> a reason wasnt specified
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> offtopic with some lame jokes i suppose
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> and an admin who isnt willing to look into the good of people but bans blindly
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> immediatly
[09:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> i am not evil
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> i can speak dutch there
[09:59] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: 'immediately', you don't think you were given warning that you shouldn't be offtopic in #ubuntu?
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> sometimes i need to ask for help in dutch when my english falls short
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> he did his job
[09:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> i mean immediatly he didnt care wether it was a correct ban or not
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> without hesitation
[10:00] <PriceChild> Do you ever answer the questions that are asked?
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> i mean this case he might be right
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> but it cant be the same for every case
[10:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> i am trying to answer
[10:01] <Piero_Scaruffi> like i said i have no problems with the #ubuntu ban its the admins call but  the second ban feels dishonest
[10:01] <PriceChild> that wasn't an answer to the question that was asked..
[10:01] <Piero_Scaruffi> warning well yes
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> a couple
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> but the guy giving them was very blunt
[10:02] <PriceChild> lets stop debating the #ubuntu ban then if you "have no problems with" it.
[10:02] <Piero_Scaruffi> #ubuntu-nl is the ban i feel sad about
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> now i am totally shut out from any help
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> and i am a novice user
[10:03] <PriceChild> This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> so the community thing is something i am not so great at i can better myself and learn if people give me the chance to learn from my mistakes
[10:03] <PriceChild> Do you feel you have a right to support then, and it is unfair to be shut out?
[10:03] <Seeker`> Piero_Scaruffi: you can find help on the forums and information on the wiki
[10:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> i feel i have a right to be part of the community yes
[10:04] <Piero_Scaruffi> support is voluntary so no i dont have a right on support
[10:06] <PriceChild> This channel doesn't really deal with LoCo channels. However perhaps I can still help. Do you have any clue why you were banned there, can you guess?
[10:06] <Piero_Scaruffi> ok thank you for your help PriceChild
[10:06] <PriceChild> (i have logs)
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> i was banned there for no specific reason other than the dumbluck that the operator that banned me in #ubuntu is an operator in #ubuntu-nl also
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> goo
[10:07] <Piero_Scaruffi> d
[10:08] <PriceChild> that's not a reason, simply a coincidence
[10:08] <Seveas> not really a coincidence
[10:08] <Piero_Scaruffi> i guess the dutch never need to explain there actions sadly this is something i learned from studying the history about the things they did on their colonies they never do explain themselves and just buried the past... sorry i am getting emotional again i better leave now before i make matters worse
[10:09] <Seveas> first thing he did in that channel was call my nick
[10:09] <Piero_Scaruffi> thank you again for your help PriceChild
[10:09] <Seveas> bad way to avoid ops
[10:09] <PriceChild> Piero_Scaruffi: bye then, have fun.
[10:09] <Piero_Scaruffi> bye
[10:09] <Seeker`> that was...odd
[10:09] <PriceChild> I don't think what he did in #ubuntu-nl deserved it.
[10:09] <Seveas> 'twas
[10:09] <PriceChild> I think he deserved it.
[10:10] <Seveas> the ban in -nl was an extension of the one in #ubuntu
[10:10] <Seveas> he's been trouble before
[10:10] <PriceChild> That comment by him just then was shocking.
[10:10] <Seveas> yeah
[10:12] <PriceChild> The whole time talking to him, I'm thinking I'm wasting my time as he was blatantly trolling #ubuntu.
[10:13] <PriceChild> I guess he was just trying to stay on the right side of the edge, get away with a little bit more.
[13:41] <ubotu> DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (Hurre)
[13:42] <Pici> okay then
[14:17] <PriceChild> LjL: are those same nicks coming back again and again?
[14:18] <LjL> PriceChild: PM
[15:07] <Adys> Not sure its the right place for that, but could someone take care of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2279/ ?
[15:08] <Adys> If theres anyone with deletion power on Brainstorm
[15:12] <Pici> Adys: This isn't really the right place.  You may have better luck asking in #ubuntu-testing
[15:12] <Adys> aight
[15:12] <Adys> thanks :)
[15:12] <Hobbsee> hum.  i don't have admin powers for that
[15:14] <Pici> The about page on the site mentions #ubuntu-testing.
[15:14]  * Hobbsee was hoping that, as the logins were the same, the admin group would be the same.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> either that, or i can't find any admin-ey options
[15:24] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu-bugs (_Czessi excess flooding)
[15:27] <Pici> LjL: thank you
[15:29] <LjL> Pici: as murphy would have it though, he just stopped excess flooding :|
[15:30] <Pici> -_-
[15:54] <Seeker`> what is the syntax for redirecting factoids to PM?
[15:55] <Daviey> Seeker`: seriously?
[15:55] <Pici> !foo > bar
[15:55] <jdong> !CoC > Seeker`
[15:55] <Pici> !usage > Seeker`
[15:55] <jdong> sorry, you get violated for asking dumb questions ;-)
[15:55] <Daviey> !violate > Seeker`
[15:56] <Seeker`> thanks
[15:56] <Daviey> !np > Seeker`
[15:56] <Seeker`> The ops call in -uk needs changing I think
[15:57] <Daviey> Then suggest a change.. :)
[15:58] <Seeker`> !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[15:58] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !ops-uk is Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[15:58] <Seeker`> I'm not sure how to do it channel specific
[15:58] <stdin> you can do "/msg ubotu ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> ...." to get the request forwarded here
[15:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, Seeker` said: ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild, X3N
[16:00] <Pici> And thus you ping all of those people when you do it.
[16:00] <Daviey> Seeker`: oi! Alphabetical plz!
[16:00] <Seeker`> Daviey: Thats the order they appear in the chanserv list
[16:01] <Seeker`> Pici: Is there any other way of doing it that doesn't ping them?
[16:02] <Daviey> Seeker`: only if you morph the text so it doesn't fire hilight rules
[16:02] <Daviey> maybe S33ker`, as a suggestion :)
[16:17] <LjL> you know what i'd like - and what would probably make me more willing to give GUI help rather than console help
[16:18] <LjL> something that could track which buttons/menus i click on, and automatically store a list in the clipboard, like "file -> save -> ok"
[16:19] <LjL> 'cause when i do things in a shell, i can just copy and paste what i've done, while if i need to give GUI advice, i need to look at each button i press, select another window, and type in the name of what i've clicked on
[16:19] <Pici> I suspect that wouldnt be too tough to do, things like xwininfo exist already.
[16:21] <LjL> Pici, not quite the same thing... xwininfo takes information from the X server, while what i'm saying needs to know about the *toolkit* you're using (GTK, Qt, etc)
[16:21] <Pici> hmm
[16:22] <LjL> Pici: basically, if the toolkit has been designed with the ability to create macros in mind, then it can probably be done, otherwise hm
[16:22] <LjL> Pici: by the way, you wouldn't know of something like xwininfo which could tell you which *process* owns a window?
[16:23] <LjL> (i guess xwininfo would do that if the information was available at all, though...)
[16:24] <LjL> Pici: although to have something toolkit-independent, you can always OCR each thing you click on :) sounds crazy, but it can actually work, it's what Babylon on Windows does to give you dictionary entries for anything you click on (including words in images)
[16:24] <Pici> LjL: Or for accessability in mind, for screen readers
[16:24] <LjL> except, we don't quite have decent OCR (even less screen-based OCR) on linux
[16:24]  * Pici keeps losing ssh connection
[16:24] <LjL> Pici: yes.
[16:26] <Seeker`> Pici: You should write a note telling you where you put it
[16:26] <Pici> Ironically, I'm in the middle of submitting a bug about screen hanging when the ssh connection is lost.
[16:35] <LjL> i've just finished submitting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160370 myself
[16:35] <ubotu> KDE bug 160370 in general ""Automatic User Information Look Up" can cause lag and excess flood" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[16:35] <LjL> (czessi, and me too)
[16:35] <Pici> bug 211842
[16:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211842 in screen "Screen hangs when reattaching after lost ssh connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211842
[16:36] <Pici> also: debian 157873
[16:36] <ubotu> Debian bug 157873 in screen "screen: Reproducible key sequence causes hard lock" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/157873
[16:36] <LjL> i think i'll report the konversation bug on ubuntu too - it can be made less severe by changing the defaults
[16:36] <Pici> Hopefully having it open in LP will push someone to get some fixes commited.
[16:37] <LjL> uhm, either the d-liners have changed nicknames, or it's other folks
[16:37] <LjL> but no, it's the turks
[16:39] <Seeker`> Pici: I think I have experienced that screen bug before
[16:40] <Pici> Seeker`: It happens to me almost every day.
[16:41] <Seeker`> Pici: I dont drop SSH connections that often :)
[16:41] <Pici> My isp sucks, I need to call them *again* and complain
[16:42] <LjL> Pici: how exactly do i do what you did in that bug - i.e. link it to the bug upstream?
[16:42] <Pici> LjL: find the '+also affects' button
[16:43] <Pici> Its under the Assigned to header in the table
[16:43] <LjL> Pici: and given it also affects konversation, i should select "project" or "package/distribution"?
[16:45] <Pici> LjL: It only appears to let you also affect 1) Projects hosted at LP 2) Distribution Bugtrackers
[16:46] <LjL> Pici: unsure... see this one for instance (it's exactly the way i'd want to make it) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/60681 - it affects "Konversation (Ubuntu)" but also plain "Konversation", and in this case links to the relevant bug on KDE-bugs
[16:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60681 in konversation "konversation does not show what is actually sent" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:47] <Pici> hn
[16:47] <Pici> hm rather
[16:47] <LjL> i think it's a "project" known as "KDE's Konversation"
[16:48] <Pici> weird
[16:49] <LjL> Pici: oh, ok, in this case i just had to select "project" and it automatically would link to the right project, and simply asked me the URL to the upstream bugtracker
[16:49] <LjL> although when i tried that before on another bug, it wouldn't select the right project for me
[16:49] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/konversation/+bug/67200 (bug had already been reported in lp)
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy] v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:50] <LjL> although... they mark it as "fix released", don't they.
[16:50] <Pici> heh
[16:50] <Pici> LjL: Thanks, I didnt know that worked.
[16:50] <Pici> I added the savannah bug # to my bug
[16:50] <LjL> well perhaps they have already changed the defaults... my ~/.kde is pretty old by now
[16:51] <LjL> Pici: we should pay more attention to the bug classes in the open week :P
[16:51] <LjL> but they're boooring
[16:51] <LjL> bug/lp classes
[17:03] <stdin> well, looks like vit is getting around the forward, kunbutu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[17:03] <Pici> stdin: yeah, LjL noticed that the other day.
[17:04] <LjL> stdin: i was wondering if it was the same vit. he certainly flooded, last time.
[17:04] <LjL> and last time, the nickname was vit too
[17:04] <LjL> but i didn't ban, just mute during the flood
[17:05] <stdin> the IP changes, but it's always from the same ISP "CANTV Servicios, Venezuela"
[17:05] <stdin> "/who n=vit" looks interesting too
[17:06] <LjL> well the last two of them are in ##unavailable as per the ban
[17:06] <LjL> [Thu Apr 3 2008] [23:58:58] Join        vit has joined this channel (n=vit@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[17:06] <LjL> [Fri Apr 4 2008] [00:25:27] Mode        LjL sets mode: +zb %vit!*@*
[17:07] <LjL> this is the one who flooded and that i muted
[17:11] <stdin> ini<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu < now I'm starting to get annoyed
[17:12] <LjL> different realnames, only thing in common is the ident and a small part of the IP for now
[17:12] <LjL> and not even always
[17:12] <LjL> anyway, i'll ban that.
[17:13] <stdin> the ISP is always the same, seems like too much of a coincidence to me
[17:14] <LjL> "usuario" too
[17:14] <LjL> it's not a coincidence, although they might be zombies rather than a single user
[18:08] <Pici> bitten by that bug again.
[18:27] <LjL> any konversation users who're already using SVN - upgrade to latest, and in Server::ctcpReply, add a ", LowPriority" parameter to the queue() call. then have fun playing with /queuetuner (maybe you want the "normal" queue to be a bit more aggressive, to get +o and such things fast), and you won't be lagged by CTCP attacks again.
[18:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, PriceChild said: no ops-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Help!  Ompaul, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N
[18:27] <PriceChild> be quiet ubotu
[18:28] <PriceChild> done
[18:28] <LjL> @lart PriceChild
[18:29] <Seeker`> PriceChild: thanks
[18:44] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[18:44]  * Pici headdesks
[18:45] <Seeker`> ?
[18:45] <Pici> Cyborg in #ubuntu
[20:48] <bringbackblastio> Hello.
[20:48] <ompaul> bringbackblastio, what can we do for you
[20:49] <bringbackblastio> hi I would like to pay someone to do something for me.
[20:49] <ompaul> I think you are in the wrong channel
[20:49] <LjL> me me!
[20:49] <LjL> oh.
[20:49] <ompaul> ohh seems not
[20:49]  * Seveas pays LjL to shaddap :p
[20:49]  * LjL goes back to his corner
[20:49]  * ompaul pays Seveas for paying LjL
[20:50] <bringbackblastio> i need someone to edit this for me.
[20:50] <bringbackblastio> http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558727/Lead.html#bottom
[20:50] <ompaul> not a hope
[20:51] <LjL> hmmm lead
[20:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !forget kirby
[21:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, noodlesgc said: !noodlesgc is "The Xmoto Master"
[22:57] <saltedlight> hi. i wold like to have an Ubuntu cloak. what are the requirements?
[23:01] <ompaul> !member
[23:01] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[23:01] <ompaul> saltedlight, ^^ that is it
[23:01] <ompaul> anything else?
[23:02] <saltedlight> i wuld like to have an Ubuntu cloak...
[23:02] <ompaul> saltedlight, cloaks are only available to members, sorry I should have siad
[23:02] <ompaul> said even
[23:02] <saltedlight> i am a member
[23:02] <ompaul> now there is a thing
[23:02] <saltedlight> :)
[23:03] <ompaul> lp id please
[23:03] <saltedlight> saltedlight
[23:05] <ompaul> saltedlight, you have a lp id but you do not have team membership status
[23:05] <ompaul> please read this http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[23:05] <saltedlight> ok. thank's. bye :)
[23:08] <stdin> can someone 's/2/3/g' on !kde4
[23:09] <ompaul> !kde4
[23:09] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Jucato said: !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <Jucato> bah!
[23:10] <ompaul> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[23:10] <Jucato> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that Jucato
[23:10] <Jucato> pfft :P
[23:10] <ompaul> hhahaha
[23:10] <ompaul> gotcha
[23:10] <Jucato> I just forgot to login :)
[23:16] <ompaul> yeap
[23:28]  * mneptok bops around to the new B-52's album
[23:28] <Seeker`> aren't the B-52's ancient
[23:30] <mneptok> yeah, and so am i
[23:30] <mneptok> so get off my lawn!
[23:30] <mneptok> damn kids.
[23:31] <Seeker`> mneptok: fair enough :)
[23:33] <ompaul> mneptok, you would have gotten away with it if it wern't for the pesky kids and that dog ...
[23:34] <Seeker`> when I was younger
[23:35] <Seeker`> mneptok: did you have to get up 30 mins before you went to bed, spend 36 hours a day working in t' mine, and pay the owner for the privilege of working there...
[23:37] <ompaul> Seeker`, you had it handy
[23:47] <mneptok> when i was your age, any sucroplasm we harvested had to be regurgitated for the queen.
[23:53]  * nikrud pulls up pant legs before tiptoeing through


[04:41] <LuckyMan> When I installed the beta, on the set keyboard part there's a experiment keys field, it didn't assume my keyboard, but then when I installed ubuntu anyway all was fine.
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> this morning noble updates seem to have solved resizing in bug #2060352 and bug #2061132
[07:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2060352 in terminator (Ubuntu) "Terminator cannot resize window anymore" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060352
[07:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2061132 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "Hexchat cannot resize window anymore + freeze" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2061132
[07:45] <CosmicDJ> LuckyMan: I had the same issue, English US international keyboard layout selected during installation, wasn't able to type any umlauts... but somehow it started to work after installation
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> marked them both as fixed
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> when launching gnome-snapshot the error now changed from no camera stream, to no camera found
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> so bug #2060390
[09:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2060390 in gnome-snapshot (Ubuntu) "Snapshot No Camera Found" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060390
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> the uninstall procedure on snap-store is pretty many clicks away to find for novice users
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> do you know if thats a work in progress ogra_
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> clicking the 3 dots to find uninstall
[11:50] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: one shell script? https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-remove-snap-firefox
[12:34] <ogra_> tarzeau, wow, the first 8 lines are utter nonsense since the 9th line will actually execute exactly that ... using the mozilla test PPA is insane since it can at any time be closed now that there are less and less backports needed to deb based FF versions ... you should find a more sane script 😛
[12:35] <ogra_> (and the hunspell hack is superfluous with the latest FF snap and will just make the script fail)
[12:36] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, file a bug please ... (luckily changes to snaps can still happen easily after release, not sure there is an UX bug for this)
[12:39] <tarzeau> ogra_: patches welcome :)
[12:40] <zakaria> Hello, anybody here ?
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> !ask | zakaria
[13:00] <ogra_> tarzeau, well, make the snap removal a one-liner (apt purge snapd) and use the official deb from the mozilla archive instead of the PPA ... (i'll not support such hacks to turn off snaps so dont expect PRs 🙂 )
[13:01] <tarzeau> ogra_: ok thanks :)
[13:09] <zakaria_> Sorry, my issue is when I plug in power adapter, Ubuntu freezes, nothing responds, even the mouse...
[13:13] <zakaria> I have uploaded them: https://pastebin.com/u/farhatizakaria/1/N9dC4CsZ
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: thanks, i filed bug #2061835 should we change to wishlist?
[13:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2061835 in snap-store-desktop "Make the uninstall of software easier" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2061835
[13:13] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, i'd leave that to the devs (or UX designers) ---
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: you got some 'frozen' and timeout errors on ATA at the end of your dmesg there
[13:16] <zakaria> I didn't know the correct way to bring the correct logs for you. You can suggest some commands to get the appropriate ones
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: i wonder if its not your HD making the freeze?
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> I/O error, dev sda, sector 931065440 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
[13:18] <zakaria> Well that does not happen in Ubuntu 23.10 or older ones, even other distribution like Fedora... except Debain 12
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: ok, then lets try to boot a previous kernel as a test
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: hold shift at booting to enter grub, then choose ubuntu previous kernel version, if you still have 6.5 that would be nice
[13:21] <zakaria> Alright, I am going to reboot
[13:26] <zakaria> I'm back, unfortunately I have only Kernel 6.8
[13:27] <zakaria> I have been on Kubuntu 23.10 everything works good for plugin/plugout power cable
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: i suspect this is 6.8 specific bug, if you say 23.10 works fine
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: do you know howto file a bug?
[13:34] <zakaria> Yes, smooth experience for all Ubuntu versions and flavors also other distros like Fedora and OpenSUSE, except Ubuntu 24.04 BETA. I have got the same issue for Debian 12, I couldn't reach the support team to address that issue.
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: can you recall wich kernel version you had on debian?
[13:37] <zakaria> I am so sorry I can't remember , but maybe when it just released or the next fix bugs release maybe.
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: final release of 24.04 will surely also have a 6.8 variant, so it might be important to file your bug
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: ubuntu-bug linux (from your terminal)
[13:43] <zakaria> Done, a website appeared, should I fill the summary and Further information only? or following the guides bellow them?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: yes, fill in a title then a description of what happens with your powercable/bug
[13:51] <zakaria> Alright my friend, I report it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2061840 if there's any missing or incorrect information just tell me.
[13:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2061840 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 24.04 freezes after plug in power cable" [Undecided, New]
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> checking
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> looking good to me zakaria thank you for reporting this, and make ubuntu better
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> zakaria: from this point developers might contact you, to try out things to do with your system
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone else has an idea to pull kernel 6.5 on his system via an oem kernel perhaps? ^
 updated tomreyn ComputerTech  << ty
[16:03] <ComputerTech> Also facing severe screen glitching/flickering since i updated to Ubuntu 24.04
[16:03]  * ComputerTech looks through the issues
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: updated what?
[16:04] <ComputerTech> lotuspsychje: Since i updated from Ubuntu 23.10 to Ubuntu 24.04 beta i've had screen flickering
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: you did not mention that last question? you mentioned the gnome-snapshot issue last time right
[16:07] <ComputerTech> Not sure, i was just copying what you said the other day that the issue was updated and i was thanking you for pinging me to mention it
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> ok ComputerTech
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: what kind of graphics you have on the flickering machine, and can you describe what kind of flickering?
[16:13] <ComputerTech> lotuspsychje: Like random coloured lines kinda, and lemme grab the graphics spec sec
[16:14] <ComputerTech> lotuspsychje: https://paste.computertech.co/?80fc3577fb65bf16#6ngYVSz9PTTWvvBys3BDQwgJEtTYG19R5nPUiqexeZ8Y
[16:15] <ComputerTech> output of lshw
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: its possible UHD Graphics 620 is kernel itchy and starts flickering
[16:17] <ComputerTech> yeah i was assuming it could be due to the kernel, guess i'll just wait it out for a kernel patch or something
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: try to boot your kernel with parameter; i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
[16:18] <ComputerTech> oh
[16:18] <ComputerTech> okay lets see
[16:18] <ComputerTech> where do i attach those parameters? any specific file or just in the terminal upon loading? e.g grub
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: yeah edit grub line; GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2
[16:19] <ComputerTech> okay
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: then update-grub and reboot
[16:20] <ComputerTech> one sec
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: if you solve the flickering with this parameter, you are affected by bug #1958191
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 1958191 in linux-hwe-6.2 (Ubuntu) "[i915] Screen flickering in Ubuntu 22.04 (until i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2 are added) (fixed in 5.17.7 and later)" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958191
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2"       forgot a "
[16:24] <ComputerTech> gonna reboot now and see if this helps, lotuspsychje
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> cross fingers
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> ComputerTech: you can see if you done it right, after your reboot in your dmesg


[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <elfy> good morning
[07:58] <dholbach> hi elfy
[09:36] <dholbach> popey, mhall119, dpm, balloons: there's a few pieces of hate-mail wrt systemd coming in on ubuntu-devel-discuss - luckily they all went into the moderation queue, so I could reject them and ban the specific mail address
[09:36] <dholbach> just thought I'd let you know
[09:37] <popey> i rejected a few
[09:42] <dholbach> cool
[09:56] <popey> seems MikeeUSA is very active at the moment
[09:56] <dpm> thanks dholbach, popey
[09:56] <popey> chances are many of them are him
[09:57] <dholbach> yeah, looked like new accounts with the same mail
[09:58] <dholbach> dpm, popey, do you know who's going to do the Q&A today?
[09:59] <popey> I do not!
[09:59] <popey> Whose did it last? I think it's probably our turn?
[09:59] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119 and I did one at UOS
[10:00] <dpm> ok, popey and balloons it is, then? :)
[10:00] <dholbach> maybe we could get Pete Woods on to talk a bit about scopes?
[10:00] <popey> no, usually it's popey and dholbach ☻
[10:00] <popey> we're the european tag team
[10:00] <dpm> :)
[10:01] <dholbach> dpm, you're not really European! :-P
[10:01] <dholbach> .
[10:01] <dholbach> I'm happy either way
[10:02] <dpm> I know, just a bit of talk of Catalan independence and everyone wants us out of Europe! :)
[10:04] <popey> we should tow Catalan out to the Atlantic, it worked for us British!
[10:15] <dholbach> dpm, for the appdev ISO I somehow forgot what we said yesterday - do I need to change anything or were you going to talk to Steve again?
[10:16] <dpm> dholbach, I'm going to talk to Steve and folks at PES
[10:16] <dholbach> ok cool
[13:17] <dholbach> I have a bit of construction work in the house today - I'll relocate, brb
[13:30] <aveemashfaq> is the #ubuntu-on-air still going to happen
[13:38] <dholbach> popey, or at the Q&A there could be folks to talk about inspiration and governance and stuff
[13:47] <popey> dholbach: todays one? Got anyone lined up?
[13:47] <dholbach> no - it was just an idea I had now
[13:47] <popey> ah okay
[13:47] <popey> :D
[13:47] <dholbach> so are we going to do the Q&A or you and balloons?
[13:47] <popey> you and me i think
[13:47] <popey> The A Team.
[13:50] <balloons> oO
[13:51] <popey> balloons: you're The A+ Team ㋛
[13:53] <dholbach> popey, so that's in 2h right?
[13:54] <dholbach> did you have anyone else in mind we could interview?
[14:00] <popey> dholbach: will have a think, but not right now
[14:01] <dholbach> ok
[14:03] <aveemashfaq> guys, I might be over expecting a bit. But is my topic also coming into discussion.
[14:04] <aveemashfaq> Project UbuntuNewbie
[14:04] <dholbach> aveemashfaq, usually it's a Q&A session where everyone can ask questions about Ubuntu
[14:04] <dholbach> sometimes we had people there who we interviewed for a few minutes
[14:04] <dholbach> but mostly it was about answering questions
[14:06] <aveemashfaq> I was expecting an interview of me so that the Project UbuntuNewbie could be put into motion
[14:06] <aveemashfaq> is it for outsiders to ask the ubuntu-community team
[14:07] <dholbach> maybe it'd be good to collect some more feedback on the project?
[14:07] <aveemashfaq> or to just clear all the misconceptions about the community within this discussion
[14:24] <popey> dholbach: what time is the q&a in your calendar?
[14:25] <popey> dholbach: it's in 30 mins in the UOA calendar but in 1.5 hours in mine and yours
[14:25] <dholbach> popey, 1.5 in my book
[14:26] <popey> k
[14:26] <popey> jose: we need to fix the uoa calendar, the q&a time is wrong
[14:48] <aveemashfaq> guys. Is the ubuntu calendar not updated or am i missing anything
[14:51] <jose> popey: apparently the DST changes changed your times, because it's the time that's been used since the beginning
[14:52] <jose> we need to make sure DST changes don't affect show times - not all countries have DST
[14:53] <popey> well I can't do it at the time it's in the UOA calendar
[14:54] <jose> popey: please set a new time with the team and let me know
[15:08] <aveemashfaq> When is the #ubuntu-on-air starting
[15:10] <aveemashfaq> Ok. so, can someone confirm that #ubuntu-on-air is scrapped.l
[15:10] <dholbach> in 50m
[15:11] <aveemashfaq> thank god. There is no event in the updated calender
[15:16] <popey> aveemashfaq: what makes you think #ubuntu-on-air is scrapped?
[15:16] <aveemashfaq> because there is no event in the updated calender
[15:17] <popey> well it should just be one hour later.
[15:17] <popey> jose: ^
[15:19] <popey> jose: so it should be in the calendar for 40 minutes time.
[15:23] <jose> popey: will change all future events to that.
[15:23] <popey> jose: can you just change today and I'll speak to the guys about what we do about future
[15:23] <jose> popey: definitely, no worries. all set for today! :)
[15:23] <popey> thanks!
[15:24] <jose> np!
[15:24] <jose> aveemashfaq: sorry, I manually cleared the calendar to set the new time. everything should be in place now. again, sorry if there was any confusion :)
[15:25] <aveemashfaq> no problem. Checked it and found that it is present
[15:29] <dholbach> popey, any announcements and stuff you wanted to talk about?
[15:29] <dholbach> popey, shall I go and try to grab someone for the session?
[15:29] <popey> no, nothing specific
[17:08] <dholbach> all rightie my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:09] <popey> o/


[00:41] <inyourgroove> any zfs experts here?
[01:14] <mybalzitch> #zfsonlinux is pretty good for knowledgable people
[15:52] <coreycb> icey: software-properties is in the focal unapproved queue with wallaby cloud-archive support
[15:52] <icey> \o/
[20:01] <shubjero> When I try to do an 'apt dist-upgrade' it wants to install x11-common. x11-common isnt installed currently (this is a headless server). How do I find out what package update is requiring x11-common ?
[20:02] <shubjero> It also wants to remove qemu-kvm and stuff... why?!
[20:02] <sarnold> shubjero: try sudo apt-get upgrade and see what's held back
[20:03] <shubjero> Well I am purposely holding back a few ceph packages since I don't want those to be updated yet.
[20:05] <shubjero> ok I think I've made it happy now. I removed a package  I didnt need, cancelled the hold on ceph (its fine to update I guess since this is just a ceph client anyways)
[20:06] <shubjero> now im not getting any strange installs of packages I dont need or removal of packages I need/use.
[20:07] <sarnold> woot
[20:17] <teward> if I have a specific question RE: systemd-resolved and how it behaves in certain setups/configurations, where would be the best place for me to ask you think?
[20:20] <sdeziel> teward: #systemd
[20:20] <teward> sdeziel: thank you kindly
[20:20] <sdeziel> np
[20:24] <teward> had a feeling we, those who monitor -server and such, would know ;)
[22:37] <WobblyBob> do you need to port forward for window rdp application running on virtmanager vm
[22:41] <compdoc> you have windows running in a vm?
[22:43] <WobblyBob> yes
[22:43] <compdoc> the vms dont connect directly to your lan? you using a virtual network?
[22:44] <WobblyBob> im remote connecting outside of network its on im using a bridged network and the vm has internet access
[22:45] <compdoc> you would need to port forward from the router to the vm, but its a bad idea to open an rdp port to the world
[22:50] <WobblyBob> isnt there a way to use virtmanager built in vncviewer to connect to the vm?
[22:53] <compdoc> how are you connecting now?
[22:53] <WobblyBob> using teamviewer also trying realvnc but want a free software to connect
[22:54] <compdoc> to connect to a windows machine, rdp is best
[22:54] <WobblyBob> i cant connect :/


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[15:21] <bluesabre> Going to upload the new xfce4-screensaver, then replace light-locker with it
[15:35] <bluesabre> So, if xubuntu-team currently has 8 members, does a vote require +4 or +5 to move along?
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: Is there any configuration in the defaults that has to be done to enable that, or will it happen automagically?
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Asking for a friend.
[16:39] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: should just require an update to the seed. You'll likely also want https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=650fd90df8d1e3e7b15fd789907fa47e9e2f68e5
[16:41] <bluesabre> ooooooooooh
[16:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: can you upload the screensaver? Since it's not in the seed, I can't upload it >.<
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: ack, I'lll take a look and change our settings likewise.
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[17:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, with xfce4-screensaver's last update, I no longer know how to have the screensaver daemon running, but only lock on request. :/
[17:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: Lock Screen tab, turn the first option on "Enable Lock Screen", and turn "Lock Screen with Screensaver" and "Lock Screen  with System Sleep" off
[17:47] <bluesabre> If it locks with those 2 settings, it's a bug :D
[17:48] <bluesabre> oh, and Xfce Power Manager also has some locking settings that might be up to no go
[17:48] <bluesabre> od
[17:49] <Unit193> That's what I have, even went so far as turning 'Activate screensaver when computer is idle' off.
[17:49] <bluesabre> xfpm's "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" is synchronized with xs
[17:49] <bluesabre> hm
[17:50] <Unit193> I could go back to .4, but that doesn't help anyone. :3
[17:50] <bluesabre> could launch "xfce4-screensaver --debug" to collect useful output
[17:50] <Unit193> OK
[17:51] <Unit193> I'm presuming I don't need to restart the daemon to activate changes?
[17:51] <bluesabre> Correct
[17:52] <Unit193> Considering it's when the screen goes to sleep (IIRC, blank doesn't trigger it.  Might be wrong.)
[18:01] <bluesabre> I'll also check it out
[18:01] <Unit193> Do you have a dsc for me to sponsor, or should I just grab it?
[18:02] <Unit193> Also: Do we intend to still support light-locker or no?
[18:03] <Unit193> PPS: light-locker and xfce4-screensaver will both end up installed for upgraders.
[18:03] <bluesabre> hmmm
[18:05] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/sponsoring/+sourcefiles/xfce4-screensaver/0.1.6-0ubuntu1/xfce4-screensaver_0.1.6-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: what would you suggest on that? Should I make xss aware of light-locker and do something about it, or should we do some package not co-installable thing?
[18:09] <bluesabre> actually, might not be a major problem based on how xflock4 works
[18:10] <bluesabre> if multiple screensavers are installed, it tries until it finds one of: user preference, xss, others
[18:11] <brainwash> and in the other cases when xflock4 is not used?
[18:11] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/trunk/view/head:/data/DistUpgrade.cfg#L64 ?
[18:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: don't think I've ever seen that file, but that seems like a possibility
[18:15] <Unit193> Thought we did something like that for indicator-power?
[18:17] <bluesabre> https://xubuntu.org/news/14-10-release/
[18:17] <bluesabre> "Note: Upgraders from Trusty will not see the new xfce4-power-manager panel plugin by default, but instead stick to indicator-power. This can easily be resolved by uninstalling indicator-power and adding the “Power Manager Plugin” to the panel."
[18:17] <bluesabre> DIY :D
[18:19] <Unit193> Perhaps we should ask to ensure this is the right place, but yea.
[18:26] <bluesabre> Asked in -release
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: I just added xfce4-screensaver to our seed, but I can't add the fix to the live session (separate repo, in fact, still in bzr) as I don't have access to the complete packageset yet. The only person who does just went on a 4-week vacation and will be incommunicado.
[19:52] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: that just means your live session will be lockable (either with timeout or by asking the computer to lock)
[20:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: just fyi - I'd played about with -screensaver a while back and gave up - only way I could stop it doing anything - which is what I wanted was to have power plugin permanently on presentation mode
[20:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: good to know. I'll do some deep testing this week to make sure it works as expected
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[21:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke - if you're changing seed - will installing it uninstall light-locker?
[21:27] <flocculant> I assume I'll see something in updates
[21:28] <bluesabre> flocculant: currently no, working on a solution for that
[21:28] <flocculant> ok - well I might chuck light-locker and install -screensaver tomorrow and see what it's like now
[21:29] <flocculant> with a PC - I don't really want then to do anything
[21:29] <flocculant> if I want the screen off - I turn it off lol
[21:29] <bluesabre> :D
[21:30] <flocculant> I'll check it out and let you know what I find here anyway
[21:30] <bluesabre> I have a monitor with a broken capacitative button... turning it off means unplugging it :)
[21:30]  * flocculant toddles off again
[21:30] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant
[21:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: reboot at wall ... those were the days ha ha
[21:32] <bluesabre> :)
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[21:38] <knome> so apparently lubuntu is taking donations now
[21:40] <Unit193> Oh dear...
[21:40] <ochosi> directly?
[21:40] <ochosi> i thought that wasn't allowed or something
[21:40] <knome> https://lubuntu.me/donate-to-lubuntu/
[21:40] <knome> directly, yes
[22:03] <Unit193> Uploading xfce4-screensaver_0.1.6-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[22:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: "Can we get more votes from the team?"  I had a -1, but it was over IRC.
[22:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks, just need even more :D
[22:10] <Unit193> :3
[22:10] <bluesabre> Since more folks are around now... with a team of 8, what's a passed team vote? 4 or 5 +1's?
[22:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: mind if I upload exo 0.12.6 (and break sync)?
[22:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume the break is just 'new upstream'?  If so, that's what I've been doing, sure.
[22:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:16] <Unit193> http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-11.htm#64 "The quorum of any other deliberative assembly with an enrolled membership is a majority of all the members." which is 5.
[22:18] <bluesabre> awesome, thanks
[22:19] <Unit193> http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-08.htm for voting.
[22:22] <ochosi> regarding the whole kb-shortcuts discussion, i'd go for pushing as much as meaningful upstream to xfce
[22:25] <bluesabre> I'm open to that... but who do I run that by in upstream?
[22:25] <bluesabre> Everybody contributing to -settings in x timeframe?
[22:26] <ochosi> sure
[22:26] <ochosi> if it's just adding stuff i think that's easily acceptable
[22:27] <ochosi> it's more about changing existing stuff that may provoke reactions
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[22:35] <jphilipz> just curious when Ctrl+Alt+D was introduced and then replaced by Super+D for show desktop, as i dont have it in 18.04 or in the 19.10 daily i installed on the 23rd
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[22:56] <bluesabre> Unit193, flocculant: confirmed the behavior you described, will dig in and resolve
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