[19:55] <pting> for the elastic load balancer, you guys think the ip is static?
[19:56] <pting> ...i mean, when you instantiate one
[19:58] <pting> nevermind, googled the answer... http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa;jsessionid=88709C264540DB950C1E3C2B96685A2F?messageID=136109&#136109
[21:10] <erichammond> pting: Not only is the Elastic Load Balancer IP address not static, but it could be returning any of a number of IP addresses on a given DNS lookup.  I.e., three requests by three different people at the same time could return three different IP addresses.  This is part of the nature of the load balancer.
[23:41] <flaccid> erichammond: yeah so aws' definition of elastic ip: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ being static is somewhat of a misnomer as they are not static when doing elastic load balancing, right ?
[23:42] <erichammond> flaccid: Elastic IP addresses do not mix with Elastic Load Balancing.  Those are two different features.
[23:42] <flaccid> thats right. i'm referring to the fact their both share the name elastic..
[23:42] <flaccid> their=they
[23:50] <flaccid> erichammond: my point is just that people do seem to assume that the elastic ips in load balancing are static due to this definition
[23:51] <erichammond> I just assume "Elastic" is Amazon's favorite word: Elastic Compute Cloud, Elastic IP Address, Elastic Load Balancer, Elastic Block Store, ...
[23:52] <flaccid> this is true


[06:52] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You do know you can have both?
[06:53] <ubuntu_> oh ok
[06:53] <ubuntu_> no i didnt know that
[06:53] <Delicates> Dr_willis: hrmmmm, it's in there, but when I try to open it it tells me hal-storage refuses my uid
[06:53] <nik0_> ah i have k info center
[06:53] <nik0_> but i can't change in thios window
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  i'd just unmount it. then  mount it manually with the proper options. :) Unless of course you are going to access this a lot.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> !ntfs
[06:54] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:54] <JuJuBee> aticonfig --initial=dual-head is used for using the external rgb connector, correct?  I project my screen to a smartboard...
[06:55] <The_Machine> !samba
[06:55] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:55] <Delicates> Dr_willis: well I want to set it up for my parents so it all works automagically
[06:55] <nik0_> nice tool
[06:55] <Dr_willis> if its to always be installed.. edit the fstab file and make it mount where ya want it to.
[06:56] <deminemi> does anyone know of a good c editor?
[06:56] <deminemi> vi is a bit hard on the eyes after a while
[06:56] <Delicates> Dr_willis: it is a removable USB HD, and I guess I could give it a mount point, but would that turn it into actual fixed HD?
[06:57] <deminemi> usb Hds should get auto-mounted by ubuntu
[06:57] <Delicates> deminemi: well this one doesn't
[06:57] <Dr_willis> it IS gettting mounted - if the mount command says it is. Its just mounting with permissions thats not letting the user access it
[06:57] <Ace2016> HI all
[06:57] <Dr_willis> where does mount say its mounted to?
[06:58] <nik0_> arf
[06:58] <Delicates> Dr_willis: it's not reported as mounted by mount
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  try unplug/repluging in the drive in that case
[06:58] <Ace2016> anyone know a command that'll take a screenshot and put it in the current dir, e.g first time its run it creates 0001.png the second time it will be 0002.png and so on
[06:58] <deminemi> google for it, there is a posting on the redhat site about how to post
[06:58] <Dr_willis> check 'dmesg' output also after replugging it.
[06:58] <nik0_> oh oh i see some stars now! lol
[06:58] <Delicates> Dr_willis: tried doesn't help
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  def check dmesg output then. For some reason ubuntu's not seening it.,
[06:58] <Delicates> Dr_willis: dmesg is fine
[06:58] <deminemi> the other thing is make sure it isn't encrypted
[06:59] <Delicates> Dr_willis: I see it in media:/
[06:59] <dave__> hey
[06:59] <deminemi> i encrypted my external and it wasn't recognized
[06:59] <Delicates> Dr_willis: I just can't access it
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  click on it  then see if it automounts? try rightclick?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> what device is dmesg showing it as? sda?
[07:00] <Delicates> Dr_willis: gives me message: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[07:00] <Delicates> yep sda
[07:00] <Dr_willis> try 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' and see what the system thinks is on the drive.
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Someone in here the other day had a ntfs drive that was showion up with the 'sfs' filesystem
[07:00] <Dr_willis> not 'ntfs' like it should of.
[07:01] <Delicates> /dev/sda1   *           1       60801   488384001    7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:01] <Dr_willis> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[07:01] <Dr_willis> SHOULD mount it where users can access it.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> wellwith a sudo at the front. :)
[07:01] <Dr_willis> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume_automatically
[07:01] <DaSkreech> deminemi: kdevelop
[07:01] <nik0_> what can i do with .sys and .inf in linux?
[07:01] <Delicates> well mounting it manually defeats the whole point of the excercise
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Ace2016: have you tried Printscreen?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Delicates,    not if you need it now.
[07:02] <dave__> Ubuntu is DANGEROUS....well, not really. Basically being a computer engineer in the microsoft field and getting more and more drawn to how amazing Linux is, is kinda dangerous to my future career path!  You got more then 1 user on the system?
[07:03] <dave__> MCSA hopefully.
[07:03] <nik0_> in dave we trust! :p
[07:03] <dave__> i love linux but its kinda hard trying to learn both considering underneath they are both different.
[07:04] <Delicates> Dr_willis, nah just 1
[07:04] <nik0_> one is maybe faster
[07:04] <Ace2016> DaSkreech: i tried it up to 0021 and i realised how many i need to take, its going to take too long unless i use a command, and attach it to a shortcut key
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  not sure why its not working then.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> of course all my usb drives are ext3 filesystems :0
[07:05] <Delicates> speaking of fstab, what's with "UUID" stuff in it?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> thats the new mounting method to insure that drives always get mounted to the proper place
[07:05] <DaSkreech> dave__: Do MS at work and run Linux at home .. and at your friends house .. and relatives ... expeect the in-laws. Muwahahahaha
[07:05] <Dr_willis> each filesystem has its own UUID # and some other info.
[07:06] <nik0_> arf looking for knowledge
[07:06] <Dr_willis> $ ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[07:06] <dave__> hehe
[07:06] <nik0_> ah!
[07:06] <greg_g> jhutchins_lt: thanks (sorry, was away from the computer)
[07:06] <Delicates> funky
[07:07] <Delicates> probably would screw you up on re-format though
[07:07] <dave__> thats kinda what i have now. a 2k3 domain ctrl'r, with 3 xp vm's joined to it and my own xp machine. + this pc with kunbuntu on just for fun.
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Delicates,  you can also mount based on label, or other id info.
[07:08] <nik0_> for fun or for study system?
[07:09] <dave__> linux seems so smart and tidy + feature packed. its perfect. MS seriously need to pull their thumb out. the vista release was a joke. Beryl just laughed at it watching the vidds on youtube.
[07:09] <nik0_> market welcome to the marketland but here is not very the subject
[07:10] <dave__> the ms box's for study purpose. since work is all ms, but the main servers are netware. linux for fun.
[07:11] <nik0_> since work is all ms?
[07:12] <dave__> yeah. all pc's at work run xp with novell client's ( for the netware servers ) so, thats where my knowledge needs to be dedicated towards/
[07:13] <nik0_> ok
[07:13] <dave__> hence the MS track.
[07:13] <dave__> :)
[07:13] <dave__> brb
[07:13] <jacques> does someone already installed gutsy?
[07:13] <icecruncher> not me lol
[07:14] <jacques> do you think it is safe to dist-upgrade? I will like to get a try
[07:15] <icecruncher> Hobbsee: I know you're gonna tell me to read the changelog, but can you give basic changes?
[07:15] <icecruncher> lol
[07:15] <Delicates> Dr_willis, found an interesting bit: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_D-BUS,_HAL,_KDE_media:/#Mount_NTFS-formatted_media_as_user
[07:15] <Minataku> wb, Dr_willis
[07:15] <Hobbsee> icecruncher: yeah, read the changelog for that.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/
[07:16] <Hobbsee> icecruncher: sorry, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1/Kubuntu
[07:16] <Minataku> Gutsy Gibbon... I'm hoping someone was on drugs when they decided on that
[07:16] <nik0_> register is born with net
[07:16] <Dr_willis> I still like Farting Fawn
[07:16] <Minataku> Haha
[07:17] <Minataku> Gassy Giraffe
[07:17] <jacques> yeah by i need someone who did it to know if it is safe to do
[07:17] <Dr_willis> i do think they need to retire the cute name/releae catagories
[07:17] <Dr_willis> and have a version # thats somthing OTHER then the release date
[07:17] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Find those calculators or no time (I'm sure it was no time >.< )
[07:17] <icecruncher> jacques: I should think so...
[07:18] <greg_g> jhutchins_lt: question for ya, why do you think firefox is one of the afflicted applications?
[07:18] <icecruncher> Hobbsee: thnks btw
[07:18] <Hobbsee> no problem
[07:20] <Minataku> Dr_willis: PM okay?
[07:20] <icecruncher> jacques: on the site (last link from Hobbsee) read this "NOTE: This is an alpah version..."
[07:20] <Dr_willis> i got 2 min till i leave for work
[07:20] <greg_g> question for ya guys: if I added the kubuntu fiesty kde 3.5.7 repo, but I think that might be causing me problems, how can I down-grade the apps that were upgraded with that repo?
[07:20] <Dr_willis>  plus the power may go out on me at any time. it allready has 4x today :)
[07:21] <Dr_willis> traffic lights are out i hear from the wife. she just got in
[07:21] <Minataku> Heh
[07:21] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I
[07:21] <Minataku> 'll talk with you later/tomorrow then XD
[07:21] <Dr_willis> yea - i think i got both days off this weekend. (i hope)
[07:21] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:22] <Dr_willis> i better leave early for work. Take care
[07:23] <excitatory> If one wanted to have a fully bootable linux distro on an external hard drive, where one could take it from computer to computer and boot into their custom environment, what info or projects should I look into?
[07:23] <Level15> hey. any nice KDE image editors? something like gimp, but kde-aware?
[07:24] <fdoving> Level15: krita
[07:24] <Level15> thanks
[07:25] <nik0_> arf
[07:26] <nik0_> i'm supposed to be register !
[07:27] <nik0_> dave?
[07:27] <ardchoille> I like kommando.. very nice :)
[07:28] <ardchoille> !kommando
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kommando - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <ardchoille> !info kommando
[07:28] <ubotu> kommando: a kde wheel-menu to quickly pick menu items with the mouse. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 118 kB, installed size 464 kB
[07:31] <dave__> is there a commaing in linux to map in a network drive similar to mapping a drive in windows - eg, \\host\folder
[07:31] <Level15> dave__: mount -t nfs
[07:31] <Level15> or mount -t smbfs
[07:32] <dave__> excellent thanks :oD
[07:32] <Level15> hey, any image manipulation gurus around?
[07:33] <Level15> dave__: np
[07:33] <dave__> so wait a sec, which relates to what? i mean server/drive or folder
[07:33] <fdoving> dave__: you can use smb4k for that. that is a package name.
[07:33] <Level15> dave__: what do you want to access? a windows shared folder? or a unix "shared folder" (meaning NFS server)?
[07:34] <dave__> i was using something under the gnome desktop but i switched to kubuntu cus it looks nicer. But what i used under gnome isnt under the kde environment
[07:35] <dave__> its a driver that sits on my server running server 2003
[07:35] <Level15> you want to access a windows shared folder? try smb://server/share on konqueror
[07:35] <dave__> i want the shortcuts to them on here basicaly.
[07:36] <dave__> ok that looks familar, looks like the same one XBMC uses.
[07:36] <Level15> or mount -t smbfs -o user=username,password=pass //server/share /my/mount/directory
[07:36] <dave__> brilliant
[07:36] <Level15> ( I think that's the syntax)
[07:36] <dave__> plenty of answers... i like it :o)
[07:37] <dave__> ill give it a shot anyway :)
[07:37] <Level15> how do i mirror an image under krita?
[07:37] <nik0_> there is no staffers? sniff :)'
[07:38] <ardchoille> stats p
[07:38] <fdoving> nik0_: what do you mean, staffers?
[07:38] <nik0_> yep i see
[07:38] <ardchoille> :(
[07:38] <nik0_> :
[07:38] <nik0_> )
[07:38] <dave__> staffers?
[07:39] <dave__> are they a breed of dog?
[07:39] <nik0_> a kind of person who could be registrer me :p
[07:39] <ardchoille> freenode staffers
[07:39] <dave__> oops
[07:39] <dave__> sry
[07:39] <nik0_> yes ardchoille
[07:40] <fdoving> Level15: layer -> flip X or Y axis.
[07:40] <Level15> fdoving: thanks
[07:40] <nik0_> i know now why spammers or spam exist
[07:45] <dave__> c yas later
[07:46] <jriachi> hello
[07:46] <nik0_> cya :)
[07:47] <jriachi> in my kubuntu desktop, can i use several panels and configure their properties independently? (e.g.  i want a thin panel, another a bit bigger and with another background color,...)
[07:49] <jhutchins_lt> jriachi: Not as far as I know.
[07:49] <fdoving> jriachi: yes, in the configure panel dialog, you get this "Settings for:" and a dropdown menu where you can select the panels. "Main Panel" is the main one.. etc.
[07:50] <ardchoille> jriachi: Yes, once the panels are in place, you can configure them via the panel/taskbar config in kcontrol
[07:50] <jriachi> thanks, fdoving, ardchoille.. i didn't see the drop down menu :)
[07:52] <Siggimund> Hey there
[07:53] <Siggimund> Can nybody help me with a mounting question ?
[07:53] <lithaborn> can someone help with my wusb54gr usb wireless adaptor? i'm using kubuntu 7.4, but it doesn't show up as a network device
[07:54] <Siggimund>  /nybody/anybody/
[07:56] <starhawk> hi I am tring to install the new java 6.0 and am not sure how to do it I am new to this any help will be helpful
[07:56] <Level15> Siggimund: shoot
[07:58] <Siggimund> Level15: Is it possible ot have the smae functionality in kubuntu as in ubuntu with auto mounting a nfts ro drive ?
[07:58] <Siggimund>  /smae/same/
[07:58] <Level15> Siggimund: should be... ubuntu and kubuntu are supposed to be the same, except for the desktop environment
[08:00] <Siggimund> Level15: well I "upgraded" from ubuntu studio feista to kubuntu feista maybe something got lost in the upgrade
[08:01] <sanelson> hello - I have machine with centos on it, on an LVM filesystem; qtparted won't resize it - I think I need lvmreduce, but this isn't on the cd, and I can't find a package that provides it.
[08:02] <Level15> Siggimund: i wouldn't really know...
[08:02] <sanelson> what can I do?
[08:03] <bee2643> how do i install 3.5.7 of KDE
[08:03] <Siggimund> Level15: Thx anyway :) - In ubunto (Gnome) when I click on a ntfs drive I get a password konfirm. Kubuntu(kde) just comes up with an error
[08:04] <lithaborn> hi, need help getting 7.04 to see my wusb54gr usb lan card. i looked thru google and i guess it should work but the card isn't showing as a net device.
[08:05] <Level15> Siggimund: that's... strange. my ntfs drives are mounted when i boot up the system, no passwords asked... ever
[08:07] <Siggimund> Level15: Hmm, maybe It's the Ubuntu Studio -> Kubuntu that has gone wrong.. Do your /etc/fstab have any mention of thos drives. Mine don't ?
[08:08] <Level15> yes, they are there...
[08:08] <Level15> yours don't?
[08:09] <Level15> hm
[08:09] <Level15> then just add them :D
[08:09] <Siggimund> Level15:  Nope. Are they readonly (the ntfs drives ) ?
[08:10] <Siggimund> Level15: Yes, would you hint me to what to write to get them readonly ?
[08:11] <Level15> sure
[08:11] <Level15> just add ro on options y think
[08:11] <Level15> Siggimund: do you want to mount by UUID or by device name?
[08:12] <Siggimund> Level15:  whats the difference (pro /con)
[08:13] <Level15> Siggimund: if you ever move your drives so that /dev/hda becomes /dev/hdb, and you use device names, you should change your fstab. if you use uuid, you won't have to
[08:13] <Level15> but involves getting some information first
[08:14] <Siggimund> Level15: Ahh - well the UUID must be the best choice
[08:14] <ardchoille> blkid
[08:14] <ardchoille> !uuid
[08:14] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[08:14] <x_> does K3B allow you to edit iso's or just make/burn them
[08:15] <ardchoille> x_: You can't "edit" an iso, it's a finalised file system. You can, however, mount them, copy the contents to another dir, then make changes and make a new iso.
[08:15] <Level15> Siggimund: ok, get the uuid: as root, run: vol_id /dev/myntfspartition"
[08:15] <Level15> forget that extra "
[08:16] <starhawk> hi I am tring to get the new version of java installed any help with this
[08:16] <ardchoille> Level15: Isn't it easier to just run "blkid" in a term?
[08:16] <Level15> ardchoille: i don't know what that is :D
[08:16] <ardchoille> Level15: Open a term and type  blkid
[08:17] <Level15> oh, that's neat
[08:17] <ardchoille> :)
[08:17] <x_> ardchoille.  so say i have an iso file and forgot to put a folder in it, i can mount the iso drag in the folder and make an new image ?
[08:17] <ardchoille> !uuid > Level15
[08:18] <Level15> ardchoille: sorry?
[08:18] <ardchoille> x_: You can mount the iso, copy the contents of the iso to a new dir, drag in the forgotten folder and then make a new iso.
[08:18] <ardchoille> Level15: The bot should have sent you a pm with some info
[08:19] <x_> thx
[08:19] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[08:19] <Siggimund> Level15:  ardchoille: with blkid - well my ntfs drives just prints /dev/sda1: TYPE="ntfs", My linux drives gives UUID ?
[08:19] <Level15> ardchoille: oh, yeah, it did
[08:20] <Level15> ardchoille: thx :)
[08:20] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[08:20] <Level15> Siggimund: hmmm,  you are right, same here... let me check
[08:20] <ardchoille> Siggimund: There's more info about uuid here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[08:20] <Siggimund> ardchoille: I'll go check - bbim
[08:21] <Level15> Siggimund: did you use blkid or vol_id?
[08:21] <Level15> ardchoille: i think blkid does not show uuid for ntfs :(
[08:21] <ardchoille> Level15: :(
[08:21] <Siggimund> Level15:  blkid - Iwas about to try vol_id
[08:21] <ardchoille> I've never used ntfs, so I can't say.
[08:22] <Level15> Siggimund: use that, i think blkid is not showing it
[08:23] <starhawk>  hi I am tring to get the new version of java installed any help with this
[08:23] <ardchoille> !java
[08:23] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:23] <starhawk> thank you
[08:23] <Siggimund> Level15:  yeah - as root I got a 16 hexdigit number
[08:24] <Level15> ok. you need something like UUID=whaeveryougot on the first field of your fstab
[08:24] <Siggimund> Level15:  mkay
[08:25] <Level15> next is mount point, so you choose
[08:28] <Panda200x> :/ dumb question, where is the login script?
[08:28] <Siggimund> Level15:  goit - like the other uuid's in fstab: fs mountpoint type options ...: so : uuid=XXXX /mnt/disk1 ntfs ro ... ?
[08:28] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any ideas why i when i ping, i only get responses when i use an ip and not the hostname?
[08:29] <Level15> i think that should do it
[08:30] <adaptr> shadowhywind because your dns is not configured correctly - or at all ?
[08:30] <ardchoille> shadowhywind: dns issues?
[08:30] <shadowhywind> i would i check all that out?
[08:31] <Siggimund> Level15:  Now I just wonder if this wont confuse Gnome ( I login to both) but anyway if this succed I wont need to anymore :)
[08:31] <gdiebel> !konversation | gdiebel
[08:33] <Level15> Siggimund: i think gnome was asking for root passwd to mount that... so if it's already mounted, there should be no problem
[08:34] <Siggimund> Level15:  Yeah youre right
[08:36] <shadowhywind> ok heres a question, i am not sure i have the right term. when you have user@compName   what is the correct term for compName hostname or domain name?
[08:36] <faidillinger> i got a problem with azureus on kubuntu, it wont launch azureus anymore
[08:37] <faidillinger> i get the azureus splash screen, but it quits right after
[08:40] <Siggimund> Level15:  what options in fstab do you have something like "nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0" just found this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[08:40] <doneill> shadowhywind: hostname
[08:40] <doneill> shadowhywind: domain would x.com/net/org/etc
[08:41] <doneill> shadowhywind: foo.bar.com would be a 'host', where 'foo' is a hostname and 'bar.com' is a domain name
[08:41] <Level15> let me check
[08:41] <Level15> defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46
[08:41] <adaptr> doneill except, of course, that foo.bar.com is also a domainname, and bar.com can also be a hostname :)
[08:41] <Level15> don't know what's that gid doing over there
[08:41] <doneill> adaptr: no, it can be a 'host', but not a hostname.
[08:42] <shadowhywind> doneill ok thanks. so i did have the right term. Can anyone help me figure out why my dns is screwed up?
[08:42] <adaptr> Level15 that chowns the mount to the indicated group, so's you can actually access it if you belongs to that group
[08:42] <doneill> foo.bar.com may only be a domain name if it is parent to other hosts, such as boo.foo.bar.com
[08:42] <lithaborn> foo is a subdomain of bar.com
[08:42] <adaptr> doneill that's not so, read the RFC :)
[08:42] <Level15> yeah i know... i mean, i have no idea how it got to my fstab
[08:42] <doneill> shadowhywind: what's in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:42] <doneill> adaptr: i'm going by dictionary here
[08:42] <adaptr> EVERY hostname is, by definition, a domain as well
[08:42] <shadowhywind> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:43] <doneill> hmm
[08:43] <doneill> i think i will look that up, actually
[08:43] <adaptr> that's why they call it a fully qualified *domain* name...
[08:44] <Siggimund> What would be the most secure fstab lines but still read access to most of the ntfs ?
[08:44] <doneill> yep, that makes sense
[08:44] <doneill> so a hostname is a FQDN, i'm very wrong
[08:44] <doneill> my apologies :)
[08:47] <shadowhywind> so is my /etc/resolv.conf right?
[08:47] <darkrift> question
[08:47] <darkrift> when i set a picture as backround
[08:47] <darkrift> how come it only goes to one side of my beryl cube
[08:48] <darkrift> is that a kde or a beryl issue
[08:52] <Panda200x> where is the login script? i need to set something for a toolchain.
[08:53] <Siggimund> Level15: Ahh gid Group ID - so if I leave Out which IDs can have access will it default to root ?
[08:55] <Boje> feierNabend
[08:55] <xst> I use knetworkmanager in order to connect to a wireless network. But each time I have to reenter the passphrase for the network. How can I make it remember it from session to session?
[08:55] <Siggimund> Boje: feireaben to you to have a nice weekend
[08:57] <jhutchins_lt> darkrift: Obviously you can set different backgrounds for each face of the cube.
[08:59] <marek_> hi
[08:59] <marek_> anyone know where Konversation save the settings?
[09:00] <Level15> Siggimund: i think it will
[09:00] <Level15> marek_: not sure, but i guess .kde/share/apps/konversation
[09:00] <dave__> hey can i install Beryl via add/remove programs or do i need to use adept?
[09:02] <Siggimund> Level15:  okay,  so suid=MyID will probably give me readonly access I guess ?
[09:02] <Siggimund> Level15: Just reading it in "man mount"
[09:03] <Level15> i think you might want uid instead of suid... though i have nevere really played with that
[09:04] <Level15> Siggimund: for the time being, you might just want to see if after a reboot it is automagically mounted :D
[09:04] <excitatory> dave__: um.. they are one in the same.
[09:04] <Siggimund> Level15: Ahh theres different options for different FS
[09:04] <Siggimund> Level15:  :) yeah learning by doing
[09:04] <Level15> i did play with umask once...
[09:05] <dave__> lol k ( still figuring stuff out )
[09:05] <dave__> thanks
[09:05] <dave__> doing it now. im eager to try it out
[09:06] <excitatory> dave__: one sec.. you should follow the official guide.
[09:07] <excitatory> dave__: first, the irc channel #ubuntu-effects is a great resource
[09:07] <excitatory> dave__: and second, what video card do you have?  dapper or feisty?
[09:08] <Siggimund> Level15: I'll Try it out and see if my laptop explodes :P. And thx for all the help :D cya later
[09:09] <dave__> errm its an 82945g express family. so a basic one. i was kinds just takin a stab in the dark see if it'll run it. it runs command and conquer zero hour at 1024x768 on high.
[09:10] <dave__> gonna run it now so if i suddenly disapear you know why
[09:11] <excitatory> dave__: yea, well there WAS a great tutorial on installation, but some ass deleted the wiki for the time being.
[09:11] <RytmenPinnen> is it possible to downgrade apps with adept?
[09:12] <dave__> ok thanks anyway. err its "kind of" workin...just hace completely lost my minize, maximize and close buttons!
[09:12] <RytmenPinnen> I've installed wine .38 and but for some folks(including me) steam is broken in 38
[09:13] <nbcb> how to configure my side mouse buttons in kubuntu? i'm using diamondback razor mouse
[09:13] <dave__> have to brb and reboot
[09:13] <kushal06062007> hello
[09:14] <kushal06062007> what problem if any does kubuntu 7.04 have with Intel motherboard D845GLLY ?
[09:14] <kushal06062007> Kushal has entered the room.
[09:17] <nbcb> how to configure my side mouse buttons in kubuntu? i'm using diamondback razor mouse
[09:17] <jhutchins_lt> kushal06062007: The server automatically announces when you join a channel.  There's a hardware compatibility list on the ubuntu web site.
[09:17] <kushal06062007> ok
[09:18] <jhutchins_lt> Most of the hardware issues for current hardware are minor though, things like sound or video.
[09:19] <dave__> wow... how good is that. i rebooted and it started all my programs back up....on its own!
[09:19] <NiceGuyUK> Saved sessions are cool, yes ;)
[09:20] <dave__> what a rube!
[09:22] <shadowhywind> lol! i just fixed my hostname issue... i installed samba...
[09:26] <jermain> i need help :( My bar is gone, the one with the applications
[09:27] <jermain> i cant get it back
[09:27] <ardchoille> jermain: You mean the panel at the bottom?
[09:27] <jermain> yes
[09:27] <to6eto> hi all
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> hello
[09:28] <WebAppMonkey> I'm looking to switch from OpenSuSe because of Novell's conduct. How does Kubuntu stack up?
[09:28] <ardchoille> jermain: ALT+F2, type in: dcop kicker default start   and see if that starts it again
[09:28] <WebAppMonkey> I like the use of the apt-get over RPMs already, but do things like beryl, xgl, etc easily install?
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: pretty good... I switch myself (but b4 novell)
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: really couldn;t be much easier
[09:29] <jermain> no changes, ill try again, maybe i made a typo
[09:29] <WebAppMonkey> Good Good, I used slackware for a good two years.. and not having to compile your own X server to get 3d compositing is nice ;)
[09:29] <ardchoille> WebAppMonkey: I have an 8 year old neice using kubuntu all by herself, can't get much easier than that.
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> jermain: your panel crashed?
[09:29] <WebAppMonkey> Does the default install come with GCC, etc?
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: haha
[09:29] <jermain> ardchoille: no change
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: no, but "spt-get build-essential" will get it
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> *apt
[09:30] <ardchoille> jermain: Well, if it comes down to it, you can ctrl+alt+backspace to kill x and try logging in again.
[09:30] <jermain> k
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: jermain: what is the problem?
[09:31] <WebAppMonkey> nosrednaekim: Well, slightly disapointing it isn't default, but good enough. Another question: Does Kubuntu stick to using KDE's control panels to configure hardware etc? Or is it mostly proprietary?
[09:31] <ardchoille> WebAppMonkey: sudo apt-get install build-essential   <-- will install the stuff needed to compile.
[09:31] <ardchoille> WebAppMonkey: But, I have been using *buntu since warty and I've never had to compile anything, the repos are huge.
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: again. they have their own thing called kde-guidance, which is not as good as SUs'es yet
[09:31] <WebAppMonkey> ardchoille: I just like to do it sometimes for fun, things like bleeding-edge KDE4
[09:32] <nosrednaekim> but you CAN use the default Kcontrol as well
[09:32] <WebAppMonkey> Yeah, I just really dislike SuSe's use of Yast instead of just improving KControl
[09:32] <ardchoille> WebAppMonkey: Well, *buntu will allow you to do that :)
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: kubuntu has all the Alphas of KDE4 they day they are released
[09:33] <WebAppMonkey> nosrednaekim: That's not as fun though! And not *optimized* (as though it makes a difference)
[09:33] <jermain> restarting didn't help,..
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: heh... yeah. well.. there are instuctions for building KDE4 for kubuntu
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> jermain: what is the problem?
[09:34] <jermain> nosrednaekim: i lost my panel
[09:34] <jermain> i had it at the top of my screen
[09:34] <jermain> when i went to it
[09:34] <jermain> it flashed on the bottom
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> jermain: go into kcontrol, go to configure panel.. mess around with thesettings and hit apply
[09:34] <jermain> then dissappeared
[09:34] <jermain> k
[09:35] <llp78> in konqueror i prefer to see the file in "detailed file view" - but when i close konqueror and re-open it - konqueror has reset itself to icons - any ideas?
[09:36] <WebAppMonkey> llp78: Konq has setting profiles saved for a few different cases
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> llp78: set konqueror to detailed file view and then go to "settings-> save view profile
[09:36] <ardchoille> llp78: Set konq up the way you want it, then click Settings -> Save View Profile..
[09:37] <WebAppMonkey> llp78: Click Settin... Yeah, like ard...
[09:37] <nosrednaekim> llp78: you'd be surprised how often that is asked
[09:37] <llp78> omg thanks for all the help ill try it - overwhelmed with help here :)
[09:39] <jermain> Ardchoille & nosrednaekim: I got it back. Thank you guys!
[09:39] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[09:39] <llp78> nosrednaekim, ardchoille, ardchoille, WebAppMonkey, thanks all for your help - all sorted now (Y)
[09:39] <nosrednaekim> jermain: its anoying when that happens.. hasn't happened to me in fiesty yet though
[09:40] <nosrednaekim> llp78: good.
[09:40] <jermain> ^^ i guess me being the first makes me a pioneer haha
[09:41] <jermain> well, faith in ubuntu = ++1
[09:41] <nosrednaekim> jermain: yeah like the kind of pioneer who was the first to be shot by indians..
[09:42] <jermain> haha you're not seeing the silverline behind the cloud here ;)
[09:42] <jermain> Well, time for further tinkering with stuff i know nothing about. Thanks again and goodnight people
[09:43] <RytmenPinnen> helo, how do I downgrade apps with adept?
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> jermain: heh... you mean the silver bullet in the cloud of gunsmoke?
[09:43] <RytmenPinnen> steam is broken with wine version .38
[09:43] <mzanfardino> is anyone familiar with the SnagIt utility and is there a similar utility available for linux?
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: hmm interesting question.... I'm not sure that you can.
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> mzanfardino: what does this app do?
[09:44] <RytmenPinnen> ah, k
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: do you know?
[09:45] <mzanfardino> it's a screen capture utility that permits selection of regions and such, including out-of-bounds such as scrolling screens, etc.
[09:45] <nosrednaekim> ksnapshot doesn't work?
[09:46] <RytmenPinnen> nosrednaekim you sure? cause peeps in winehq says you can :P
[09:46] <RytmenPinnen> didnt remember where tho...
[09:47] <dave__> hey, ive only used irc chat a couple of times. how'd i get more channels?
[09:47] <mzanfardino> nosrednaekim: wasn't aware of this tool.  I will check it out
[09:47] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: hey./... if you can find it I would be interesting in knowing how
[09:48] <RytmenPinnen> k, im checking with the ubuntu peeps
[09:48] <nosrednaekim> mzanfardino: just press printscreen.lol
[09:48] <nosrednaekim> dave__: where do you want to go?
[09:48] <mzanfardino> nosrednaekim: ah, ok, no, well, that might not work so well.  I have pages of documentation that I might like to capture that extend beyond a single screen...
[09:48] <dave__> i dunno i was just kinda hoping to browse
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> what do you want to know?
[09:49] <dave__> errm, the universe the inside of a black hole...
[09:49] <dave__> oh the chat!
[09:50] <dave__> nothing really, just wanna explorer a irc a bit
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> dave__: hmmm I don't know how do get the channel list.
[09:50] <dave__> k np
[09:50] <dave__> ill google it :o)
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> dave__: good idea... wish more people around here would do that.... ;)
[09:51] <WebAppMonkey> Ok, /list was a bad idea with kopete apparently.
[09:51] <WebAppMonkey> Bceause Kopete is really really mad at me
[09:53] <dave__> lol
[09:53] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: heh.... the list server is down says konversation
[09:53] <dave__> techie... its a regular thing
[09:53] <dave__> :o)
[09:53] <WebAppMonkey> Time to file a bug report it seems
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah..... google and man are you freinds.
[09:54] <dave__> strictly a windows touble shooter. just playin around with linux for a bit of wide spread knowledge.
[09:54] <dave__> hehe, uh huh.
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: what happened? maybe I can reproduce it
[09:54] <WebAppMonkey> dave__: Be careful, you'll get so used to having a responsive capable OS you'll not want to go back
[09:54] <dave__> its kinda looking that way already
[09:54] <dave__> i dont wanna use my xp machine
[09:55] <WebAppMonkey> nosrednaekim: I /list 'ed, it worked fine and I closed it. I did it again and closed it right away, then Kopete consumed one of my cores 100% until I quit it
[09:55] <nosrednaekim> linux knowledge can never hurt you (except to make you frustrated at the woefully inadequate windows shell
[09:55] <dave__> but... since i work with xp allllll day troubleshooting i have little choice.
[09:55] <dave__> yep
[09:56] <dave__> its wrong mate. and this...all this is FREE!!!
[09:56] <WebAppMonkey> dave__: Install linux on every machine with problems, they might fire you (or you'll lose your clients)... But at least you'll have done a few people a favor.
[09:56] <dave__> LOL
[09:56] <ardchoille> lol
[09:56] <mahdi> got a problem trying to use fluxbox, how do i terminate the current window manager?
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: sounds like  bug.... search and see if tehre is already one though
[09:56] <WebAppMonkey> mahdi: You can ctrl+alt+backspace, but that'll kill your whole Xserver
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> mahdi: you mean like KDE?
[09:57] <WebAppMonkey> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I'm going to work on reproducing it later
[09:57] <dave__> im aiming for my mcsa. thats where the money is. thats the prob, microsoft have industries by the b*lls its to big of a thing to migrate to linux but, more and more companies are looking in to it. so here i am.
[09:57] <shachaf> mahdi: Do you want to keep the rest of KDE running?
[09:57] <mahdi> ctrl+alt+backspace kills the xserver but automatically restarts it, so thats not particularly helpful.
[09:57] <mahdi> don't really care if the rest of it is running, preferrably not though
[09:58] <shachaf> mahdi: In that case, it should be an option when you log in.
[09:58] <[ifroog] > Hi friends..
[09:58] <WebAppMonkey> mahdi: ctl+a... pressed at a fast enough interval generally falls back to a shell ;)
[09:58] <mahdi> shachaf: i usually use auto-login so it hadn't occured to me to try that, i'll be right back i suppose
[09:59] <nosrednaekim> it handles it exactly the same way
[09:59] <shachaf> nosrednaekim: Was I bashing KDE?
[09:59] <mahdi> WebAppMonkey: and c+a+b enough times will do that as well ;)
[09:59] <shachaf> nosrednaekim: I just didn't know the names of the buttons, etc.
[09:59] <nosrednaekim> shachaf: no...
[10:00] <WebAppMonkey> mahdi: Yeah, I tried to abbreviate the keypresses there
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> shachaf: yeh I know... didn't mean to criticize you or anything
[10:00] <mahdi> WebAppMonkey: it all makes sense now......
[10:02] <WebAppMonkey> Now if someone could tell me why my rails database is being such a * I would be happier.
[10:03] <shachaf> WebAppMonkey: What is your Rails database doing?
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: cause thats the way Ruby is.... use Python ;)
[10:03] <WebAppMonkey> shachaf: It seems there are some orphaned child objects, but their parent still exists... they just refuse to admit it
[10:04] <sybux> hi all
[10:04] <shachaf> WebAppMonkey: Well... I haven't used Rails since way pre-1.0, so I don't really know.
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> hello sybux
[10:04] <sybux> I've got a very stupid question. I'm running putty in X11 forwarding mode. I'd like to display a picture but I don't know which program to use !
[10:04] <WebAppMonkey> textbook.section.chapter.unit returns a nil object when it exists!  For some reason whenever my cursor is supposed to changed to the pointing-hand thing i can't see it anymore - i'm on kde btw.
[10:05] <nazgjunk> all #ubuntu could give me was "eww kde"
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> mahdi: yep... if you want something with a little more meat, use XFCE.
[10:06] <nazgjunk> it takes a reboot to fix it right now as i have no idea why it happens
[10:06] <shachaf> mahdi: Or use something with a little less meat, like xmonad. :-)
[10:06] <nazgjunk> it's not always though, just sometimes i have the problem
[10:06] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: ... That is odd.. What video drivers are you using? possibly?
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> nazgjunk: hehe... well thats what you hear on here if you mention GN***
[10:06] <nazgjunk> nosrednaekim, cute, that's my usual response
[10:06] <nazgjunk> eh, *cool
[10:07] <nazgjunk> WebAppMonkey, no idea :/ where would i quickly check that?
[10:07] <nazgjunk> even though i can't imahine how my video drivers could be the problem
[10:07] <mahdi> have to play with this a while before i start with even more stuff
[10:07] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: I'll assume then you aren't using the proprietary Nvidia or ATI drivers?
[10:07] <nazgjunk> not that i know of, so probably no
[10:07] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: I'm grasping at straws.. I've never encountered anything like that
[10:07] <nazgjunk> it's very odd :/
[10:08] <shachaf> mahdi: By the way, have you considered Openbox?
[10:08] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: I know Nvidia alpha-shading on the cursor can cause problems sometimes..
[10:08] <shachaf> mahdi: I hear a new version came out recently, but I don't know that much about the *boxes.
[10:08] <nazgjunk> it's kind of annoying how i can't see my cursor in 90% of the amarok window
[10:08] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: That would be...
[10:08] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: Have you tried changing the cursor your are using in Kcontrol?
[10:08] <nazgjunk> i'll try and mess with it some more then
[10:09] <nazgjunk> i think i have
[10:09] <nosrednaekim> nazgjunk: does the normal cursor reappear hen you move off the link?
[10:09] <nazgjunk> yes
[10:09] <nosrednaekim> nazgjunk: does just logging out help?
[10:09] <nazgjunk> sometimes, yes
[10:09] <nazgjunk> but not always
[10:09] <nazgjunk> which makes it even stranger
[10:09] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: That says to me kernel/driver issues
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> nazgjunk: sounds like a KDE problem then.
[10:10] <nazgjunk> heh
[10:10] <sybux> I've got a very stupid question. I'm running putty in X11 forwarding mode. I'd like to display a picture but I don't know which program to use !
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: logging out does not restart the xserver.
[10:10] <WebAppMonkey> nazgjunk: If it comes back after closing your X-server though... and through multiple KDE boots... that's weird
[10:10] <WebAppMonkey> nosrednaekim: Ah, true
[10:11] <WebAppMonkey> sybux: kview
[10:11] <nazgjunk> brb
[10:11] <sybux> WebAppMonkey: ty
[10:12] <WebAppMonkey> sybux: Didn't your mother ever tell you not to look at other people's pron?
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> didn't your mom ever not to do it PERIOS?
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> *PERIOD
[10:13] <sybux> WebAppMonkey: can you plz go outsite ?
[10:13] <WebAppMonkey> no
[10:13] <sybux> :(
[10:14] <sybux> WebAppMonkey: btw, do you know another program because I dont' want to install the all kde packages on my server
[10:15] <WebAppMonkey> sybux: gwenview is one, xview is pretty global, but hard to use
[10:17] <WebAppMonkey> sybux: Well, usage for xview is "xview [image] " But you can't do any modifications or zooming with a GUI
[10:17] <jhutchins_lt> WebAppMonkey: Imagemagick will display the picture.
[10:18] <sybux> WebAppMonkey: it doesn't matter it's just to see webcam capture
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> sybux: you COULD install photoshop. ;)
[10:18] <sybux> nosrednaekim: you could also go OUT !
[10:18] <WebAppMonkey> jhutchins_lt: I couldn't remember how to spell it and I don't have an executable on my system :)
[10:18] <jhutchins_lt> sybux: imagemagick
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> sybux: hehe
[10:18] <ahmed> any one tried kvm ??hello
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> ahmed: I did... but it doesn't work
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> for me.
[10:19] <ahmed> doesnt work ?
[10:19] <ahmed> u mean u couldnt install xp or wat
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> ahmed: I couldn't boot a CD. or a image
[10:20] <sybux> and do you know a good deamon to capture webcam picture ? I've tryed camgrab but it take only half of the picture :(
[10:20] <ubuntu__> ./j plasma
[10:21] <darkrift> damnit
[10:21] <darkrift> my settings are all screwed up now
[10:21] <jhutchins_lt> darkrift: Your mother's listening.
[10:22] <darkrift> lol
[10:22] <darkrift> and?
[10:23] <AmyRose> If I use the KDE time/date setting control module and tell it to use NTP, will it keep adjusting the clock or do I have to install a separate NTP daemon for that?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> she doesn't like it when you say things like that...
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: I think the NTP daemon is already installed
[10:23] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: No, it's not.
[10:24] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: They said on Launchpad that it won't be included by default for security reasons
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose:it is on mine...
[10:24] <Tired_> Hi.  I just got a new monitor, and I can't make it display at the right resolution.  I followed the steps in the FAQ linked in the topic to no avail.  The only resolution in my xorf.conf is 1680x1050 (the native res of the monitor), but it will only give me 1024x768 in actuality.  How can I fix this?
[10:24] <crowbar> IS there a way to hange the font color on the desktop of icons?  They are white and black and make it hard to see.
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah.. maybe that was in edgy.
[10:25] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I'm just trying to find out if I need one or not.
[10:25] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I did a clean Feisty install and don't have it.
[10:25] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I know I *can* install it. My question is if I need it.
[10:26] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah. just set the KDE date/time thing to use NTP and see what happens.
[10:27] <AmyRose> maybe I'll try changing the clock and see if it changes back
[10:28] <Tired_> here is my xorg.conf:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24762/
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: yeah... al
[10:28] <Tired_> What am I doing wrong?
[10:29] <ubuntu__> Hey... with 2gb ram on a desktop machine, how large should my swap partition be?
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> I'd say 512 - 1GB
[10:30] <stingray> hmm?
[10:30] <WebAppMonkey> I'd say 1GB as well, that is what I run
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu if you went that overboard with RAM... I figure you have a large drive..lol
[10:30] <WebAppMonkey> 2GB isn't overboard you insensitive clod!
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: does the manual say anything about reccomended refresh rates?
[10:31] <stingray> nah
[10:31] <stingray> 2gb is nessecary these days to be honest
[10:31] <stingray> but uhm
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> WebAppMonkey: in soviet russia it rams YOU..
[10:31] <stingray> thought the rule was something like 1xRAM or 2xRAM for swap?
[10:31] <govert> hello
[10:32] <Tired_> nosrednaekim: No, not that I can see, just sync values
[10:32] <HaSH> but if you have enough ram your computer shouldnt even touch the swap
[10:32] <govert> i'm an irc newbie and i need some help woth kubuntu
[10:32] <WebAppMonkey> Yeah, but if you want to have vista allow you to try it, 2GB is strongly recommended
[10:32] <HaSH> i got 2 gigs...and ive never seen my computer hit swap
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> HaSH: yeah thats what I was thinking
[10:32] <stingray> HaSH: i plan on using every single mb of my ram
[10:32] <llp78> ive got 1.5 and never seen it swap eiter
[10:32] <stingray> hmm
[10:32] <stingray> okay
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> HaSH: I have 1 GB... almost never touches swap, and I have 2GB of it just in case
[10:33] <HaSH> i rarely see my use go over 1 gig
[10:33] <Tired_> I have 512MB of RAM, and Kubuntu decided to install without a swap at all, and I have no trouble, so swap can't be that important.
[10:33] <stingray> Btw, is NTFS writing still experimental? (kubuntu 6.06)
[10:33] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: ah.. did you put those values in the Xorg?
[10:33] <govert> anyone knows where to get some support on irc?
[10:33] <Tired_> nosrednaekim: Yes.
[10:33] <nosrednaekim> stingray: oh yah..
[10:33] <HaSH> stingray, yes
[10:33] <stingray> thought so
[10:33] <stingray> =/
[10:33] <HaSH> stingray, pl sa its "stable"......no
[10:33] <HaSH> *ppl say
[10:33] <llp78> govert: support on irc huh
[10:34] <HaSH> ive nuked a few ntfs partions
[10:34] <WebAppMonkey> Tired_: Don't open a 200MB jpeg in GIMP... linux doesn't like it when you run out of RAM + Swap :)
[10:34] <Jack3> does kubuntu come with port 21 open?
[10:34] <HaSH> WebAppMonkey, lol who has 200mb jpegs
[10:34] <WebAppMonkey> Tired_: In fact, it pretty much gives up and kills itself
[10:34] <Jack3> i cant seem to connect to an ftp
[10:34] <HaSH> Jack3, ubuntu ships with 0 ports open
[10:34] <Tired_> govert: This is the place to be, but you don't need to ask if you can ask here, just ask your question.
[10:34] <WebAppMonkey> HaSH: Blue Marble does, and when you are mapping using those textures, it eats you.
[10:34] <llp78> Jack3 no there is no ftp server by default
[10:34] <govert> well, i need some help woth kubuntu. is this the right place to ask?
[10:34] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Yea
[10:34] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: hmm... since its a LCD... make that VertRefresh a little broader, like 20-80
[10:35] <Jack3> i dont have an ftp server
[10:35] <llp78> govert: sure is... ask away
[10:35] <Jack3> im just using an ftp client
[10:35] <govert> oki
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> govert: sure is.. just ask
[10:35] <Tired_> nosrednaekim: That won't break my monitor, since it's not the value the manuf specified?
[10:35] <llp78> Jack3 an ftp client to connect to a server right -
[10:35] <HaSH> Jack3, nothing would be blocking outgoing port 21
[10:35] <Jack3> oh
[10:35] <Jack3> hmmmmm
[10:35] <darkrift> heh
[10:35] <Jack3> ive triedlike 7clients
[10:35] <govert> problem: konqueror reports "could not connect to host"
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: no... its an LCD.. you can't break them.
[10:35] <HaSH> Jack3, not unless ya installed a firewall
[10:35] <darkrift> its odd having leaves falling all over my desktop
[10:35] <Jack3> and i dont think so
[10:35] <HaSH> Jack3, i like gftp
[10:36] <Jack3> ill try it but i duno
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: the idea is that it finds a value it likes out of that range
[10:36] <darkrift> be cool if they fell behind the icons though
[10:36] <HaSH> for a gui ftp client
[10:36] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Are you using IRC on the same computer running linux? (IE, the internet works but Konqueror doesn't?)
[10:36] <govert> anyone mhas any idea whet could be wrong?
[10:36] <Tired_> How is it that it allows 1024x768, when I told it in xorg.conf that the only permissible res was 1680x1050?
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: it falls back on other res's anyway..
[10:37] <govert> WebAppMonkey. that is correct
[10:37] <Tired_> Oh.  Ok, brb after I try that
[10:37] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Press alt+f2 and type konsole, run it
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: ok.
[10:37] <govert> if it helps, i just unbstalled my smartlink dial-up modem
[10:38] <govert> done
[10:38] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Now type `ping www.google.com`
[10:38] <govert> i can ping
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> govert: sounds like a DNS problem.
[10:38] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Hmm
[10:38] <govert> i can also do sudo apt-get update
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> or not..
[10:38] <llp78> no dns issue if he can ping google
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. didn't see that.
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> I had konqueror do that to me once...
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> govert: try installing firefox.
[10:39] <govert> i agree, but all other applications seem to be able to look up the url's
[10:39] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Are you using Knetworkmanager? It'll be on the bottom of your screen, a little icon showing networks
[10:39] <govert> fyi, ppp0 does NOT shot up in the network dettings
[10:39] <Tired_> No joy  :(
[10:39] <govert> i will install firefox after i have updated
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: hmmm... did you search google yet?
[10:40] <llp78> in konqueror settings - proxy - is it set to connect to the net directly ?
[10:40] <Tired_> What would I be looking for?  I've never done this before...
[10:41] <govert> hmm. it does not want to start
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> Tired_:  you just search for your monitors model name and then linux, etc
[10:42] <llp78> govert: your not connecting via a proxy are you?
[10:42] <govert> maybe i didn't install my modem the correct way...
[10:42] <Tired_> Oh, yeah, I did search that.  Got over ten pages of reviews.
[10:42] <llp78> in konqueror settings
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: lol...
[10:42] <govert> don't think so. it's bell dial-up
[10:43] <llp78> seems as though your connection is working fine its just konqueror giving you troubles
[10:43] <govert> brb
[10:43] <Tired_> Is it possible the limitation is in my video card?  It's only a GeForce FX 5200...
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> llp78: I had that happen to me once in a Beta of fiesty.
[10:43] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Well, my clock just corrected itself without a separate NTP daemon running
[10:44] <llp78> nosrednaekim: did firefox work in your situation ?
[10:44] <govert> ] back
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: thought so... see.. I think the daemon is actually the NTP server.
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> llp78: yes. I think it did.
[10:45] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Actually no.
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: searching some linux forums..
[10:47] <Tired_> :/  I can't find anything relevant, Googling "Monitor-name" + Linux, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xorg, or xorg.conf
[10:47] <Tired_> :)  Thanks a lot for your help
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: yeah... did you try the Nvidia set-up utilities?
[10:49] <Tired_> ... I don't know what that is
[10:49] <Tired_> I set it up with nano
[10:50] <ardchoille> Tired_: kdesu nvidia-settings
[10:50] <Tired_> Oh!
[10:50] <Tired_> Oh.
[10:51] <Tired_> That gives me up to 1280x960...still not the native res
[10:52] <ardchoille> Tired_: Did you config xorg using: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ?
[10:52] <ardchoille> And then restart X ?
[10:52] <Tired_> Yes, a few times, always restarting X afterwards
[10:52] <ardchoille> !fixres
[10:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:52] <Tired_> Tried that link first off
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: sure your graphics card can handle that res?
[10:53] <Tired_> No, I'm not.  It's a GefORCE fx 5200
[10:53] <Tired_> 128MB
[10:54] <Tired_> using dvi
[10:54] <Tired_> On my old CRT, it did 1600x1200, but that was over VGA
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: if it has DVi then I suppose it can handle it.
[10:56] <Tired_> Well, this kinda sucks.  A $300 monitor can't be made to do a better res than my old $100 CRT
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: 1280X960 is at least widescreen...
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: yeah.
[10:57] <Tired_> But Windows has no trouble with it
[10:57] <zipper|> ? hlep
[10:57] <zipper|> ? help
[10:58] <zipper|> ?commands
[10:58] <zipper|> hmm?
[10:58] <Tired_> !help
[10:58] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:58] <zipper|> ah, thanks
[10:58] <Tired_> ;)
[10:59] <Tired_> Oh well.  I have to re-install the OS anyways today, cuz I'm changing hard drives and CPUs.  Guess I'll have to go back to windows  :(
[10:59] <Tired_> Thanks anyways
[10:59] <darkrift> lol
[11:00] <govert> i'm back
[11:00] <govert> i have a problem. konqueror cannot connect to the web, but both apt-get and irc works.
[11:00] <zipper|> Anyone knows whether cedega or wine is better at running world of warcraft?
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> Tired_: your welcome.... for nothing...
[11:00] <govert> knetworkmanager does not find my ppp0 dial-up connection
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> I didn't do anything
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> govert: ok.. did you get firefox?
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> cedega is always better from what I hear
[11:01] <govert> nope :-) we had a thunderstorm that turned off the power
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> govert: but you can talk to us anyway.. right?
[11:01] <govert> right
[11:01] <zipper|> !linux-effects
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> govert: oh I hate that.
[11:02] <govert> installing firefox will take about 40 minutes with my bandwidth :-(
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> govert: are you getting firefox?
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> govert: haha... true
[11:02] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Ok, lets make sure your proxy is set right on Konqueror. Do you have a proxy?
[11:02] <Jabapyth> I am running kubuntu, but I installed gnome-office and restarted, and now I have the gnome desktop! how do I get kde back?
[11:03] <govert> yep. eta 34 mins
[11:03] <llp78> zipper|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[11:03] <govert> don't think i have a proxy
[11:03] <zipper|> llp78: cheers
[11:03] <govert> firafox runs without any proxy configurations on windows, same dialup connection
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> govert: get dillo... that'll be enough to check.
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: so it pops up with GDM?
[11:03] <WebAppMonkey> govert: Setting -> Configure Konqueror || Look on the left and scroll down to Proxy || Select Connect to the Internet Directly and press Apply
[11:04] <Jabapyth> ya
[11:04] <govert> k. dillo it is...
[11:04] <govert> couldnt find package dillo
[11:04] <govert> <- repos?
[11:04] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[11:05] <Jabapyth> thanks!
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> and select kdm
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> govert: hmm.... try lynx.
[11:05] <zipper|> oh oh, btw... Feisty is stable now right?
[11:05] <zipper|> or well, released
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> govert: command line based... but it'll tell tell us enough
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: when you get back into KDM.. you WILL have to select KDE as your default sessiona again.
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> zipper|: hehe.. yeah it is
[11:06] <govert> WebApp...: thanks but does not help
[11:06] <mzanfardino> zipper|: I run WoW via wine and it's working quite nicely.
[11:06] <zipper|> nosrednaekim: ah okay
[11:06] <excitatory> has anyone else been dealing with random hard freezes / lock ups  .. usually when left idle for more than 15 minutes or more?
[11:07] <zipper|> mzanfardino: tried comparing performance with windows? (to give me a rough idea of what to expect)
[11:07] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: then do I restart?
[11:07] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: how do I select iot
[11:07] <govert> lynx ets 2 mins
[11:07] <govert> (eta)
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> govert: did you try getting lynx?
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> govert: or if it doesn't have that."links"
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: ctrl+alt+ bkspace will so it.
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> govert: ok.
[11:08] <mzanfardino> zipper|: I have windows xp and kubuntu on the same hardware.  when I run WoW under windows the performance is somewhat better than under linux and wow, but not so much so that I play under windows.  I still prefer linux, so I put up with the minor performance hit.
[11:08] <mzanfardino> s/wow/sine
[11:08] <mzanfardino> s/sine/wine
[11:09] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: i just did ctrl-alt-backspace, logged in, and Im stin in GDM
[11:09] <weedar> My laptop-monitor just died :(
[11:09] <seniortaco> hay anyone know how to setup ubuntu for dual screens?
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: wait... when you hit that was the login screen grown or blue?
[11:09] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: blue.. but its been blue the whole time
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> weedar: died? did you just mess around with your xorg settings?
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: oh..lol
[11:10] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: what?
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> GDM and KDM are the login managers. I thought you were having problems with them
[11:10] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: no...its the desktop
[11:10] <weedar> nosrednaekim: no, I was just surfing the web and it went black. Tried rebooting, but still nothing, I've connected my LCD to the laptop atm
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> ok.. when you go into the login screen, click on the sessions button and select KDE
[11:11] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: ok
[11:11] <zipper-> !help
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[11:11] <nosrednaekim> weedar: does the monitor display stuuf during boot?
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> or in the BIOS?
[11:12] <weedar> nosrednaekim: nothing, ever. My only hope is that it might have set itself to only send video through the VGA-connector and that there is a way to switch it back to using the "internal" monitor
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> weedar: sounds like a hardware problem.
[11:13] <weedar> argh
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> weedar: yeah...
[11:14] <govert> another power surge...
[11:14] <weedar> nosrednaekim: I Might as well get a new laptop then..
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> weedar: try pulling that battery out for a couple minutes and then put it back in
[11:14] <Jabapyth> nosrednaekim: thank you so much!@ its back
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> govert: you're in like illinois? big storms..
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: yep..NP
[11:14] <weedar> nosrednaekim: I'm willing to try it, but why would that work?
[11:14] <lars__> nabend
[11:14] <govert> canada, ontario, burl;ington. small storm :-)
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> weedar: BIOS can get messed up... IDK.. that fixed a problem I had with my touchpad
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> govert: ah..ok
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> its coming this way pretty fast
[11:16] <weedar> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks for the tip, it's worth a shot :)
[11:16] <nosrednaekim> weedar: yep..... now if you want suggestion for a new laptop...
[11:16] <nosrednaekim> a dell ubuntu one would be nice...
[11:17] <govert> i can confirm that lynx can connect to www.google.com
[11:17] <weedar> nosrednaekim: I've seen those :) I assume they're 100% compatible when it comes to hardware
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> weedar: but not wnough OOMPH for ya?
[11:17] <weedar> nosrednaekim: This one is a fujitsu and the wlan-card has built-in wpa-support which I think is pretty rare
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> govert: ok..so get firefox.
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> weedar: wow.. thats weird.
[11:17] <weedar> nosrednaekim: I mostly use my laptop to surf the web or use remote connection to my computer at work =)
[11:18] <govert> but ... i like konqueror... :-(
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> weedar: hey.. don't through the computer way..laptops make good servers.
[11:18] <govert> and i want knetworkmanager to recognize ppp0
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> *throw
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> govert: heh... I hate it... firefox is faster.
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> at least on dial up for me
[11:18] <weedar> nosrednaekim: actually a good idea, my desktop machines are so noisy I can't really use them as servers (no door to the bedroom, they're in the living room)
[11:19] <govert> well, actually, i agree, and this one is for my mother in-law. however. i WOULD like to find the problem, not just a workaround\
[11:19] <weedar> people are still on dialup?
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> weedar: yeah.. when cable costs 60 bucks a month.. you bet
[11:19] <govert> my mother in lw is...
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> weedar: yeah.
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> weedar: put a nice new 120GB drive in it for $100 and you got a great server
[11:20] <govert> so.. any idea why KDE doesn't find my slamr dial-up modem?
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> govert: it works tho... right?
[11:21] <govert> depends on what you mean with "it" :-)
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> govert: you can connect...
[11:22] <govert> knwtworkmanager doesn't see my ppp0 connection
[11:22] <govert> i can connect
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> govert: i'm not sure that KNM can even do dial up.. thought that was kppp's job
[11:23] <govert> i have a Smartmodem, installed according to the instructions from linmodems.com, probably NOT the proper KUBUNTU way...
[11:24] <govert> KNM?
[11:24] <jarn> What is the ~/.local/share/desktop-directories folder?
[11:24] <govert> oh.. knetworkmanager
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> knetworkmanager
[11:28] <yurimxpxman> I'm trying to install Iceweasel with the i386 Debian package, but it says the dependancy libhunspell-1.1-0 is not satisfiable, although apt-get says I have this package. Any ideas?
[11:28] <seniortaco> reinstall perhapse
[11:29] <govert> nosred, any forther ideas?
[11:29] <Sanne> yurimxpxman: it can happen that Debian packages aren't binary compatible.
[11:30] <yurimxpxman> Sanne: thanks. I'm going to try the source code now :)
[11:30] <Sanne> yurimxpxman: that's a better way for sure :)
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> govert: for what?
[11:33] <govert> why KDE is unaware of my ppp0 connection
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> govert: does kppp see it?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> govert: how are connecting?
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> *are you
[11:36] <govert> i connect with kppp, so that os OK
[11:37] <nosrednaekim> govert: yeah.. don't worry about knetworkmanager then.
[11:38] <govert> no i won't but i still worry about konqueror
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> are you DLing Firefox?
[11:39] <govert> yep eta 30 min
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> govert: hmm yeah...that is weird...might want to try asking on kubuntu-devel, or see if there is a bug open for that.
[11:40] <seniortaco> does cedega have conflicts with ubuntu? cause im trying to use it to install steam and nothing happens wen i try and mount cds or run the installers or anything
[11:40] <govert> i'll try kubuntu-devel. where do thay hang out?
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> #kubuntu-devel
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> but made sure you make it clear that you have a BUG not just a problem
[11:42] <yurimxpxman> I'm trying to compile Iceweasel now, but it says "configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required"
[11:43] <seniortaco> i guess ill try reinstalling then
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> seniortaco: noo.... don't.
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> seniortaco: do you have kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:44] <Sanne> yurimxpxman: seems like configure wants to have a option set. try "./configure --help" to see the available options.
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> govert: hehe see... I told you they were good.
[11:45] <Sanne> yurimxpxman: and read any readmes you may find in the source directory :)
[11:45] <seniortaco> i started with ubuntu and i just finished installing kde so i dont know lol
[11:45] <hikaricore> or the INSTALL file usually tells you what to do
[11:45] <hikaricore> if it exists
[11:46] <seniortaco> im currently running kde so id assume my question would go with kubuntu
[11:46] <BluesKaj> iceweasel ...FF with a conscience ?
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: some say clones don't have conciences.
[11:47] <hikaricore> starwars proves that
[11:47] <hikaricore> :P
[11:47] <seniortaco> lol
[11:47] <BluesKaj> something to do with non free plugins ...bah !
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: no.. even sillier.. the Firefox ICON isn't GPLed.
[11:48] <hikaricore> didn't that all start with them reaming debian about it?
[11:49] <Sanne> well, both sides have a right of their opinion, and both sides mean well, they just differ in priorities. I don't think anything was silly.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I'm not well versed on the Open Source community and licensing of non commercial apps and utilties , so i just go on my merry way in ignorance of the nuances involved
[11:51] <Sanne> BluesKaj: heh :) here's a nice view of our sabdfl on this issue, if you're interested: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/79
[11:51] <govert> nosred. problem solved: need to quit knetworkmanager, since it tells parts of KDE that there is no connection
[11:51] <BluesKaj> in other words as long as it works......
[11:51] <keith> Where can I get the most recent Python-ldap files for Fiesty and installable with Adept
[11:52] <Sanne> keith: there's a package python-ldap, might be what you need?
[11:53] <keith> test
[11:54] <keith> I am trying to authenticate with active directory for a program call Plone using Zope
[11:54] <zipper> !help
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[11:55] <seniortaco> lol
[12:03] <WillJitsu> I have WinXP installed on a 250GB HD.  I want to dual-boot XP and kubuntu.  What software should I use to create a partition for kubuntu and what steps should I follow to make sure they dual-boot together properly?
[12:06] <zipper> WillJitsu: well, you could use partition magic for windows.
[12:07] <zipper> WillJitsu: that way you wouldn't loose the data you have on your existing partitions. If its a fresh HDD, then the ubuntu/kubuntu installer has a partitioning tool
[12:07] <hikaricore> what's wrong with gparted?
[12:07] <seniortaco> anyone know anything about cedega?
[12:07] <Buy-Bye> gparted is Great!
[12:08] <SlimeyPete> seniortaco: yeah. Some people like it but personally I could never get anything to run properly.
[12:08] <hikaricore> i know just that someone is suggesting that they use partition magic..
[12:08] <hikaricore> lol
[12:08] <SlimeyPete> my Cedega
[12:08] <SlimeyPete> subscription just ran out
[12:08] <hikaricore> screw cedega
[12:08] <hikaricore> :P
[12:08] <seniortaco> k heres my next question
[12:08] <seniortaco> anyone know anything better then cedega
[12:08] <seniortaco> lol
[12:08] <acemo> wine
[12:09] <seniortaco> i thought wine was a precursor to cedega
[12:09] <hikaricore> if you need to access and install applications easier in wine there's a new tool called winedoors
[12:09] <seniortaco> :o
[12:09] <hikaricore> cedega is a hackfilled @#$@%@ stepchild of wine/winex
[12:09] <Buy-Bye> I read a review in Linux Format that rated Wine and Cedega about equal - so why pay!
[12:09] <seniortaco> well for anyone that knows cedega ... how do u get it to run .msi files cause all the installers are .msi files and it says it cant open
[12:10] <acemo> seniortaco: wine and cedega seperated.. wine beats cedega on all games i tried so far
[12:10] <SlimeyPete> seniortaco: cedega supposedly concentrates on direct3d/directsnd whereas wine tries to cover the entire windows API
[12:10] <seniortaco> ibet
[12:10] <SlimeyPete> win's about as good though, in my experience
[12:10] <hikaricore> I found an msi extractor that ran under wine once, that might be a place to start.
[12:10] <seniortaco> well then wine it is
[12:10] <seniortaco> lol
[12:10] <hikaricore> can't remember where/what it was for the life of me
[12:10] <seniortaco> all though id rather have a beer :D
[12:11] <hikaricore> I think there might also be a command line tool for extracting msi
[12:11] <xst> After installing feisty, ssh has become incredibly slow to connect to IPs on the LAN. It takes forever before I get prompted for a password. Any ideas to a solution?
[12:11] <hikaricore> like the one that exists for cabs
[12:11] <acemo> wine is doing alot on the direct3d lately too
[12:11] <zipper> zzz.... upgrading to feisty
[12:11] <zipper> need better internet connection


 So you managed to create an installer to add ubunustudio to other flavours? Like, maybe I'm just thinking in after-constructions, but I feel like that's been on the roadmap for so long. I'm really glad to see things are now getting pushed forward. :)
 @Sakrecoer [So you managed to create an installer to add ubunustudio to other flavours? Like …], Yeah, but we didn't really "create" it so much as adapt ubuntustudio-installer to do the job. :)
[12:55] <sakrecoer> well, a very cool feature non the less
[15:08] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: our main roadblock for many tings has been uploaders. Most of installer has been waiting for years to release.
[15:21] <sakrecoer> i can't wait to see what happens now :)
[15:21] <sakrecoer> i mean, it has been a huge block
[16:11] <studio-user932> hi, can you help me with some hardware advices?
[16:16] <OvenWerks> maybe
[16:17] <OvenWerks> what kind of hardware advice would you like?
[16:17] <OvenWerks> USB Mic bad.
[16:52] <studio-user932> I need to know for a brand new PC if I should buy a CudaCores or a DirectCompute graphic card acceleration. CudaCores is Nvidia and DirectCompute is ATI video graphics. So what is the best for Blender, Gimp and Inkscape?
[16:52] <studio-user932> Thank you
[16:53] <studio-user932> Don't know much about hardware, so I need some advice
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> studio-user932: A good place to ask would be ##hardware. You can get there by typing "/join ##hardware".
[16:54] <studio-user932> thanks
[16:57] <valentin> hello, can you help me? I need some advice for hardware. I want to buy a new PC and install Ubuntu Studio.
[16:58] <valentin> thank you
[16:58] <studio-user932> sorry, is the same
[17:42] <OvenWerks> Opps I missed them.
[17:42]  * OvenWerks went out for breakfast with his Yf
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> They were curious about graphics, mostly.
[17:56] <OvenWerks> both blender and gimp (or maybe just blender) can do rendering direct in certain GPUs


[01:02] <nigelb> mhall119: hi
[01:23] <mhall119> nigelb: hey.....now I forgot what I was gonna ask...
[01:23] <mhall119> :(
[01:23] <mhall119> oh wait, I remember now, have you ever setup an instance of the RTD website, or just gotten documentation up on readthedocs.org?
[01:24] <nigelb> yep
[01:24] <nigelb> twice
[01:24] <nigelb> I got summit dev documents working yesterday
[01:24] <nigelb> i just used readthedocs.org directly though
[01:36] <mhall119> so how do you get it to import docs when running it from manage.py?
[01:37] <nigelb> well, I don't do that.
[01:37] <nigelb> I just curl the build page manually
[01:38] <mhall119> ok, so "build" builds the documentation?
[01:42] <mhall119> nigelb: what did you put for repository, default  branch and documentation type for summit?
[01:42] <nigelb> lp:summit
[01:43] <mhall119> oh, it knows lp: branch names?
[01:43] <nigelb> I left it empty for summit, and for summit-dev, I put dev-docs
[01:43] <nigelb> Yes, it does :)
[01:44] <mhall119> did you tell it to use virtualenv?
[01:45] <nigelb> nope


[12:53] <mardy> trainguards: can you please remove unity-scopes-api from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1049? It keeps returning despite me deleting it, and it breaks the silo.
[12:54] <Mirv> mardy: ok
[12:55] <Mirv> mardy: should be ok now, bileto just takes time to refresh itself
[13:02] <mardy> Mirv: ok, thanks a lot!
[13:46] <oSoMoN> rvr, thanks for the validation of silo 50 !
[13:46] <rvr> oSoMoN: :)
[13:47] <rvr> Forgot to ping you
[13:52] <rvr> bzoltan: Silo 16 approved
[14:14] <bzoltan> rvr: i have to push there a change https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/OTA11-landing-2016-04-08_fix-examples/+merge/291882
[14:14] <bzoltan> rvr:  but it will not change a bit at all
[16:28] <bzoltan> Mirv:  I fire up a quick landing ...
[21:05] <tedg> robru: So I swear there is a debian/changelog there... https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-052-1-build/87/console
[21:06] <tedg> robru: Any idea on what that error could be from?
[21:06] <robru> tedg: the changelog needs to be in the trunk, not just in the branch. is this the first time this package has been on the train?
[21:07] <robru> tedg: I swear there isn't a debian/changelog there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity8-policy-kit/16.04/files
[21:08] <robru> tedg: before the train can even load an MP it has to check debian/changelog on the trunk in order to know what source package it's even trying to build. architectural limitation I'm afraid
[21:08] <tedg> Oh, I see.
[21:08] <robru> tedg: either merge your branch to trunk and then do a null merge to build it in the train, or make a fake debian/changelog on trunk that contains your source package name (literally just the source package name is fine, doesn't need to be a complete changelog entry)
[21:08] <tedg> I thought it was the other way around.
[21:09] <tedg> Yes, this is the first time the project has done anything.
[21:09] <tedg> robru: Okay, I see, thanks!
[21:09] <robru> tedg: you're welcome!
[23:12] <rvr> kenvandine: Please, can someone review your merge proposal? Otherwise I cannot put the silo in the ready for QA lane in trello https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/drop_default_string_hack/+merge/291022
[23:21] <rvr> robru: Same tip, please get approval for the merge proposal for its silo https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/unity8/pre_release_hook/+merge/289550
[23:22] <robru> rvr: ok, approved.
[23:27] <rvr> Great, thanks