[00:08] <skaet> hiya,  any chance we can get some extra testing love on Ubuntu Studio?    We need all the manitory and run once tests done, before we can ship the images tomorrow.
[00:08] <skaet> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds
[00:34] <Len-nb> skaet, All the 32bit stuff is done. Ailo, holstein are any of you able to do 64 bit?
[00:35]  * Len-nb would be happy to do 64bit if he had such a machine...
[00:44] <skaet> Thanks Len-nb.
[03:36] <holstein> away
[03:36] <holstein> len-dt: ping
[03:36] <Len-nb> holstein,
[04:17] <holstein> skaet: im getting a late start on the 64's
[05:30] <holstein> skaet: we have everything but http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26107/testcases
[07:51] <XRS1> This has got to be the most exciting distro I've seen hands down. Thanks everybody!
[07:52] <ailo-w> XRS1: Glad you like it. I do think there's a major problem with qjackctl not stopping jackdbus properly, but that is something that we've inherited from Debian
[07:54] <XRS1> noted
[07:54] <ailo-w> XRS1: What makes you like Ubuntu Studio, if you don't mind spilling a couple of words on that?
[07:55] <XRS1> I have many artist friends who would be very interested. not to mention just about every college kid in america
[07:55] <XRS1> i've been using adobe myself and I am trying to break away
[07:56] <ailo-w> XRS1: Ah, so you're into publishing applications?
[07:57] <ailo-w> XRS1: Scribus?
[07:57] <XRS1> well im actually in the tech industry but i end up having to do a lot of creative work and wearing of other hats. not to mention i like to start grand projects but end up bogged down bymyself and cant get any help as adobe is too expensive for others to be buying
[07:57] <ailo-w> I meant to say Calibre.. heh
[07:58] <ailo-w> XRS1: You can find Calibre for Windows too
[08:00] <XRS1> i have a startup i am making mostly just as a demonstration of concept to some pro-am and D1 drifters, auto tracking camera systems, in car embedded media centers/engine data logging & AEM performance tuner intergation. i think i might be able to slip this in as a product somewhere  :P
[08:00] <XRS1> they just love to edit their own pictures and videos and post 'em on the web
[08:01] <ailo-w> A live DVD does include many of the apps you'd use for that. Unfortunately, for audio, there are missing codecs and such, if you want to work from a live image
[08:02] <XRS1> solid state storage
[08:05] <XRS1> looking into AEM on linux right now. i want to ditch the whole windows 8 touchscreen concept
[08:06] <ailo-w> I have seen very little of Win8, but the last bit I saw was that you couldn't turn off the touch screen thing (at least using a gui). I would suspect you can disable it - would be pretty lame otherwise
[08:06] <ailo-w> XFCE is in deed very traditional
[08:08] <ailo-w> XRS1: Did you try UbuntuStudio Quantal 12.10? Final version is being released today. It includes publishing applications in the DVD, in contrary to the 12.04 release
[08:08] <XRS1> well the idea was win8 would be a good touchscreen OS, but after trying it out, its not really working out as well as I had hoped, and i dont want to support microsoft's windows 8
[08:08] <XRS1> nope. just found 12.04.1 a little bit ago by accident
[08:10] <XRS1> was thinking LTS would be best but i dont see these things lasting long enough to need it. can just keep loading whatever is current onto new builds
[08:10] <ailo-w> XRS1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[08:11] <ailo-w> Or you can wait until the final release is out. Should be by tomorrow
[08:11] <ailo-w> The LTS is probably best, if you're going to keep the same software on a server for long periods
[08:11] <XRS1> torrent link yet?
[08:12] <ailo-w> Doesn't seem so
[08:12] <ailo-w> The LTS probably has some advantages, what Unity is concerned. Perhaps less buggy. Don't really know. Otherwise, I don't think the LTS stands out
[08:13] <ailo-w> Not for multimedia apps anyway
[08:14] <Unit193> 12.10 for Xfce based ones (xubuntu, ubuntustudio) the messaging indicator won't be a-working.
[08:14] <XRS1> the envelope icon in the try?
[08:15] <XRS1> tray*
[08:15] <Unit193> Some other things may be a bit "off"
[08:16] <XRS1> well you are going in the right direction, thats good enough for now
[10:05] <XRS1> Tattoo artist friend of mine already wants to try it out.
[10:29] <skaet> smartboyhw - hiya,  we seem to be missing an Upgrade test for Ubuntu Studio amd64 - would it be possible for that to be run in next couple of hours?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> skaet, look at #ubuntu-release:D
[10:31] <smartboyhw> skaet, options..what are they?
[10:31] <skaet> smartboyhw,   be best if we can get the manditory tests all done.
[10:32] <skaet> am wondering if there are other people outside ubuntu studio team with the hardware handy,  who can help?
[10:32] <smartboyhw> skaet, best but real difficult
[10:32] <smartboyhw> skaet, asked them on #ubuntu-testing already
[10:33] <smartboyhw> skaet, I am zsyncing the iso for good.....Hopefully I am able to test it before deadline....When is the deadline BTW?
[10:34] <skaet> smartboyhw,   at some point today ;)  you've got a couple of hours
[10:35] <skaet> basically deadline is when all the infrastructure is up and ready.
[10:35] <smartboyhw> skaet, good...Download ETA 19:23 minutes, but then I am also building 3.7-rc1 kernel so.........my CPU will explode after that:D
[10:37] <skaet> :)  thanks smartboyhw    let me know how it goes.
[10:37] <smartboyhw> skaet, OK:D
[10:37]  * smartboyhw is revising Chinese, doing homework and doing testing with his parents on cruise...eh:(
[10:41] <phillw> skaet: how long has -studio got for the test?
[10:43] <smartboyhw> phillw, er as skaet said: Couple of hours...should be enough hopefully
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Thanks for caring about us phillw :D
[10:43] <phillw> is someone doing it?
[10:44] <phillw> smartboyhw: ?
[10:46] <smartboyhw> phillw, I am now...Have to
[10:47] <smartboyhw> phillw, infinity volunteered to do one for us:D
[10:47] <phillw> I haven't got enough data allowance on my 3G device to pull in the 12.04 and then the data for 12.10 :(
[10:48] <smartboyhw> phillw, don't worry:D
[11:19] <skaet> smartboyhw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.10release_notes <-- is that where the Ubuntu Studio project's release notes will be this time around?
[11:19] <skaet> or is there another site?
[11:19]  * skaet updating the announcement email
[11:19] <smartboyhw> skaet, IDK let me check
[11:20] <smartboyhw> skaet, that page is blank
[11:22] <skaet> smartboyhw,  yes,   was wondering if there was another I should point to?   or use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[11:23] <smartboyhw> skaet, use that link
[11:23]  * skaet not sure if there is a project specific new announce,  like some of the other flavors have.
[11:23] <smartboyhw> skaet, I mean the QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[11:23] <skaet> ok.  I'll use ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio unless I hear otherwise ;)
[11:23] <smartboyhw> skaet, ok
[11:42] <smartboyhw> skaet, doing the upgrading now
[12:25] <smartboyhw> skaet, upgrade package download 95% should finish quickly now:P
[12:26] <skaet> :)
[12:26] <Unit193> Woah, you identified. :p
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Unit193, what/
[13:14] <len-dt> skaet, what has to be done to declair ubuntustudio ready? Does it have to be ScottL? He would normally be online by now...
[13:14] <smartboyhw> len-dt, wait for scott-work that is
[13:14] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:15] <smartboyhw> skaet, am I right?
[13:19] <len-dt> smartboyhw, there are lots of reasons scott may not show... I was thinking there must be some kind of backup.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I am the backup as QA Lead
[13:22] <skaet> smartboyhw,   if scott-work isn't around in the next hour,  as backup, please signoff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest by putting the date in the column with "test sign-off", beside the ubuntu studio images.    Add a comment to the commit, you're doing it on scott-work's behalf,  and all should be good.
[13:23] <smartboyhw> skaet, OK
[13:26] <sticky1> Hello
[13:27] <sticky1> Xubuntu 12.04.1 here, can anyone please help me to get my softsynth working?
[13:29] <sticky1> or at least how to get internal synth working (fluidsynth)?
[13:29] <sticky1> my ALSA is glitching I think
[13:42] <ailo-w> sticky1: ALSA, or jack+alsa?
[13:44] <ailo-w> sticky1: Are you playing it live? What is your latency setting? Did you adminster realtime privilege for your user? If low latency, did you install linux-lowlatency?
[13:45] <sticky1> sorry I was doinstairs for a minute
[13:45] <sticky1> *downstairs
[13:45] <sticky1> I have MuseScore and a bunch of Wine apps that I want to set up not only with fluidsynth (if possible) but also with my X-MIDI adapter (my digital piano)
[13:46] <sticky1> and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do
[13:48] <sticky1> ailo-w: but I thought that fluidsynth was preinstalled or something?
[13:48] <sticky1> I have no idea how to set up MIDI connections
[13:49] <ailo-w> sticky1: Do you know about jack?
[13:49] <sticky1> I believe it is an software MIDI cable amirite?
[13:49] <sticky1> *a
[13:50] <ailo-w> sticky1: Here's a bit about the sound on Ubuntu Studio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[13:50] <sticky1> it's a server appearantly
[13:50] <ailo-w> I'd recommend for you to install Ubuntu Studio, to get everything set up by default.
[13:50] <ailo-w> sticky1: It's a pro audio sound system, for both audio and midi
[13:50] <sticky1> oh wait
[13:51] <sticky1> I now know why it doesn't work
[13:51] <sticky1> let me show you
[13:51] <ailo-w> sticky1: I need to go, but perhaps someone else can help you
[13:51] <ailo-w> Time to go home..
[13:51] <sticky1> can you stay 1 more minute
[13:51] <sticky1> just one
[13:52] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:52] <sticky1> http://imgur.com/zUOIU
[13:53] <sticky1> it is Dutch, it says Couldn't open ALSA as sequencer client. The ALSA MIDI patchbay shan't be available. or something like that
[13:53] <sticky1> what am I supposed to do now
[13:55] <smartboyhw> len-dt, the backup system is used now and I marked the release ready
[14:06] <len-dt> smartboyhw, Thankyou.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> len-dt, :D
[14:14] <US-XRS1> AWESOME!  Loving what im seeing from this 12.10!
[14:31] <ailo> sticky1: Try #opensourcemusicians too. I haven't used fluidsynth fonts for a good while
[14:31] <smartboyhw> US-XRS1, :)
[14:31] <sticky1> ailo thanks for the response...
[14:31] <sticky1> I'll try
[14:31] <sticky1> bye
[14:31] <ailo> sticky1: Also, I would check docs for the program you use
[14:31] <sticky1> ok
[14:32] <sticky1> But everything should run fine but I get that error
[14:32] <ailo> Have you googled the error?
[14:32] <sticky1> yeah not many useful solutions
[14:32] <ailo> That's what I would need to do, aside from finding out again how the sound fonts work
[17:16] <XRS1> the whole "For humans"  according to the studies that Microsoft Bob was based off, that wording is going to be a big subconscious turn off. should change that to People.
[17:34] <XRS1> first thing i thought when my computer booted up is what are you an alien? is this skynet or something?  :P
[17:35] <smartboyhw> XRS1, what?
[17:36] <XRS1> just the whole "Made for humans." on the bootscreen
[17:36] <holstein> XRS1: you can file a "wishlist" bug
[17:37] <XRS1> interesting
[17:37] <holstein> i can assure you that sentence is not on the list of things to change
[17:37] <holstein> not that we wont be open to criticism, or suggestions
[17:37] <holstein> XRS1: you can try the dev channel and/or dev mailing list, but we are far from dealing with that level of refinement
[17:38] <holstein> plus, thats something we have hanging around from early ubuntu slogans
[17:39] <XRS1> i just thought it funny as i just finished reading a study on human interaction with machines and that was almost exactly like one of the examples they used (along with the Einstein looking "Clippy" sneezing when you close him.)
[17:40] <holstein> they?
[17:40] <holstein> you mean, us? or microsoft?
[17:40] <XRS1> who ever the author of the published findings were
[17:41] <holstein> i think the idea is that its ubuntu for humans, as opposed to an operating system for super technical folks
[17:41] <holstein> like, anyone can use it.. thats the idea
[17:41] <holstein> its just a slogan though, i wouldnt read too much into it
[17:41] <XRS1> i like it because it isnt gender specific
[17:42] <XRS1> and my cat sure as heck shouldnt be using it  :P
[17:43] <skaet> smartboyhw, and rest of ubuntu studio team,  congrats on getting Ubuntu Studio 12.10 released!  :)
[17:43] <smartboyhw> skaet, yeah:)
[17:44] <holstein> skaet: thanks!... we couldnt do it witout you!!
[18:36] <XRS1> ? "Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/xrs1' failed: Operation not supported."
[19:17] <fritz_cx> salut
[19:20] <fritz_cx> y a kelkun?
[20:21] <XRS1> i cant mount USB mass storage devices
[20:22] <ailo> XRS1: How are you mounting?
[20:22] <XRS1> clicking on the desktop icon
[20:41] <ailo> XRS1: Is this the live DVD, or an install?
[20:43] <XRS1> install. i got antsy and got 12.10 from cdimage.ubuntu.com before the official release
[20:44] <XRS1> well its already installed i mean
[20:45] <ailo> XRS1: We've done testing with that, and so far no one had any problems. I'll see if I can do some tomorrow.
[20:45] <ailo> Will need to do a fresh install to do that
[20:46] <XRS1> should i just grab the official?
[20:46] <XRS1> now that its out
[20:46] <XRS1> or, im assumeing its out?  O_o
[20:47] <Unit193> It is, but zsync since you already have most of it.
[20:47] <XRS1> yeah its out.
[20:47] <Unit193> !zsync
[20:47] <XRS1> oh cool
[20:47] <ailo> XRS1: I'm almost certain it is the exact same thing. But, you can always give it a try
[20:48] <Unit193> And if it is, it'll say 100%
[21:29] <len-dt> XRS1, running 12.10 here no problems mounting USB stick.
[21:29] <XRS1> hmm... tried 3. 1 is brand new out of the packageing. already tried rebooting
[21:30] <len-dt> This one has been well used :) I use it for testing ISOs.
[21:31] <XRS1> "Failed to mount 16 GB Volume. Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/xrs1' failed: Operation not supported"
[21:46] <ailo> XRS1: Something about permissions. Have you googled it?
[21:52] <len-dt> I do recall The 16G stick I have when I got it there were some things that didn't work
[21:52] <holstein> !mount
[21:53] <len-dt> I repartitioned/formated it and it was fine.
[21:53] <holstein> yeah, i would just look in gparted for it XRS1
[21:53] <ailo> Executables can't be run from USB
[21:54] <XRS1> ?
[21:54] <ailo> That's all I know, aside from file systems, which Linux can handle
[21:54] <XRS1> yes they can?
[21:54] <holstein> XRS1: open gparted and reformat and try
[21:54] <XRS1> gotta install it. didnt come with the install
[21:55] <ailo> XRS1: Not on Linux. You can run a script as "bash myscript", but you can't do "./myscript"
[21:55] <ailo> It's a safety, I believe. There was some talk about USB automaounting posing a security hole
[21:55] <XRS1> all i know is i dont use a hard drive. everything i do is on USB
[21:55] <holstein> i have run installs from USB
[21:56] <XRS1> the Mount option is greyed out in gparted
[21:57] <ailo> The idea is that if you have a system running, someone can't just stick a usb in, and have it autoload stuff.
[21:57] <XRS1> yeah i know it doesnt automount. but this isnt mounting USB at all
[21:57] <len-dt> Then if it was mounted by root onto a mount point inside the normal directory tree it should work ok. May have to have something other that a fat FS though.
[21:57] <holstein> XRS1: i would blow it out, reformat, remove, replug
[21:57] <ailo> The disk utility tool is pretty decent too
[21:57] <XRS1> running the zsync now
[21:59] <XRS1> target 100%, no difference
[22:00] <XRS1> formatting
[22:00] <XRS1> using ext2
[22:02] <ailo> XRS1: When I say, files on USB can't be executables, I mean, when the USB device is automounted. Not if it is mounted with fstab
[22:03] <ailo> I realized this when I started using a usb stick to keep some source I was developing. Noticed none of the scripts were working.
[22:03] <XRS1> well it hasnt been a problem for me yet
[22:04] <ailo> Even if you do: chmod +x, it has no effect
[22:05] <XRS1> new error
[22:05] <XRS1> failed to mount 16 GB volume The given volume was not found
[22:06] <holstein> XRS1: i would manually mount it in the terminal
[22:06] <holstein> i might use sudo fdisk -l to make sure im calling the right name and all
[22:06] <ailo> I'm out. GN everybody
[22:06] <holstein> ailo: gn
[22:10] <XRS1> bah... im too tired to mount in xterm...
[22:10] <XRS1> will come back later after i have slept
[22:10] <holstein> i would just unplug it
[22:11] <XRS1> i did
[22:11] <holstein> plug it back in, and click on it
[22:11] <XRS1> it doesnt mount ANY USB devices
[22:11] <holstein> i just tested the 12.10 64bit iso post install.. mounting a usb stick was one of the tests it passed
[22:11] <holstein> i would like to see the output in the terminal when you try to do it manually
[22:12] <XRS1> sorry. i cant mount thumbdrives. will try again later after i have rested.
[22:12] <holstein> i think that will help you troubleshoot the issue... when you have time
[22:12] <XRS1> show me the command so i can copy paste
[22:12] <XRS1> im blank right now
[22:12] <holstein> XRS1: it depends on what the partition is you want to mount
[22:12] <holstein> i always just refer to
[22:12] <holstein> !mount | XRS1
[22:12] <XRS1> sdb1
[22:13] <holstein> its just sudo mount what/ever where/ever
[22:15] <XRS1> The given volume was not found
[22:15] <XRS1> oops
[22:15] <XRS1> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /mnt busy
[22:15] <XRS1> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /mnt
[22:16] <holstein> probably is
[22:16] <XRS1> but its not there
[22:16] <holstein> i would just look in the filemanager
[22:16] <XRS1> i am right now. its not there
[22:16] <holstein> im sure its just something silly that we are overlooking
[22:16] <holstein> you can unmount everything
[22:17] <XRS1> let me unmount n remount
[22:17] <holstein> i would mount it to a directory i make.. and i might specify the filetype.. but i dont think you are having issues
[22:17] <XRS1> umount: /mnt/sdb1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[22:18] <holstein> XRS1: which is it then?
[22:18] <XRS1> ...
[22:18] <holstein> is it mounted according to mtab? or not mounted?
[22:18] <XRS1> if i mount, it says its mounted, if i try to unmount, it says its not mounted
[22:18] <holstein> i would just unplug it, and plug it in, and mkdir and sudo mount that thing to it
[22:22] <holstein> ok XRS1 , i gotta run to work... one more show today, then i can go home!
[22:22] <holstein> if its slow in here when you come back, you can try #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[22:22] <XRS1> im in no rush
[22:23] <XRS1> enjoy
[22:24] <holstein> this is something like show 16 out of 34... not sure if "joy" will enter into it... but it'll be OK :)
[23:21] <holstein> XRS1: did you get sorted?
[23:22] <XRS1> not yet. let me try one more thing real quick
[23:30] <xrs1> still no go on USB. i am installing on another laptop. we'll see what happens with that one
[23:34] <xrs1> is this supposed to be a lightwieght distro? i've never seen that laptop boot a live disk so fast


[00:16] <David-A> lobi_: if different behaviours for different users (you and guest) it might be something in one of you dot-files. do you know how to move away dot-files?
[00:36] <lobi_> David-A: what do you think move away dot-files
[00:39] <David-A> to determine if there is a problem with a dot-file, move away dot-files, a few at a time, until the problem goes away. then we know it was a dot-file, and about what dot-file, and the problem is also fixed. afterwards, move back the non-problematic dot-files if you want.
[00:40] <David-A> lobi_: ^
[00:42] <lobi_> David-A: ok
[00:42] <lobi_> David-A: thanks
[00:42] <lobi_> I will check
[00:44] <David-A> lobi_: you can create a temporary directory ~/old-dotfiles, where you move them away, and from where you move them back afterwards, if you want.
[00:47] <David-A> lobi_: try first move away ~/.config , most xfce4 and thunar settings are there
[00:48] <David-A> lobi_: after you moved a dot-file, logout and login to test if the problem remains or not
[03:37] <Starcraftmazter> Hi, my X is hanging/crashing on startup when using more than one card for some reason http://pastebin.com/famTe4js http://pastebin.com/xY0RxUr0
[03:44] <Starcraftmazter> p-p-p-please respond
[03:50] <well_laid_lawn> Starcraftmazter:  I missed your question. What's up?
[03:51] <toothpick> who asked a question?
[03:51] <well_laid_lawn> I was going off Starcraftmazter's last post
[03:52] <toothpick> oh alright. is he still around?
[03:52] <toothpick> starcraft, do you have a problem with xubuntu?
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> there's a clue ^^
[03:52] <toothpick> lol true. well_laid_lawn
[03:53] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[03:53] <toothpick> hey bro. well_laid_lawn
[03:53] <toothpick> i just solved a problem of my own
[03:53] <well_laid_lawn> well done toothpick
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> a big prob or little ?
[03:54] <toothpick> but can i tell you what the problem was?
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[03:54] <toothpick> well kinda big problem. with the raid controller
[03:54] <toothpick> ok , i just took this VIA KT600 based computer off from local classified today
[03:54] <hank_> Hi all - need a hint here. New 13.04 install, no sound. pavuacontrol shows sound levels visually but just "dummy output" instead of sound card. No luck yet searching online. ANy suggestions?
[03:54] <well_laid_lawn> never tried using raid - how did you solve it
[03:54] <toothpick> i stopped using the onboard raid. for some strange reason
[03:55] <toothpick> every file was getting corrupted but strangely
[03:55] <toothpick> xubuntu never crashed
[03:55] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  tried checking alsamixer in the terminal ?
[03:55] <toothpick> hank_: is your sound card picked up? what does sudo lshw report?
[03:56] <well_laid_lawn> toothpick:  sounds like that would have been hard to sort out then
[03:57] <toothpick> the problem is it was sneaky. I mean i wrote about 12 GB of data
[03:58] <toothpick> all fine only realized it was corrupted upon reading it back. But nailed it as Onboard VIA RAID controller. My guess is the onboard sata raid on this chipset does not behave well with 4K advance format hard drives
[03:58] <hank_> I'll check alsamixer in a moment. lshw shows my nvidia on mb sound: MPC51 High Def Audio with driver: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0 maxlatency=5 mingnt=2
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> lsmod | grep intel
[03:59] <well_laid_lawn> lsmod | grep snd
[04:00] <Starcraftmazter> well_laid_lawn:  Hi, my X is hanging/crashing on startup when using more than one card for some reason http://pastebin.com/famTe4js http://pastebin.com/xY0RxUr0
[04:00] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: are you using nvidia gpu from 6xx series?
[04:02] <toothpick> *your
[04:02] <toothpick> you will need to stage nv drivers manually to get them working
[04:02] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: if you multi-gpu includes the Nvidia Kepler microarchitecture, they are known to have problems with noveau drivers
[04:02] <toothpick> just download the binary package from nvidia directly and i can help you set it up
[04:03] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
[04:03] <hank_> Here's the lsmod results (forgive my ignorance re IRC etiquette) http://pastebin.com/7s1wWsgM
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: no, 7970s
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> it will work with one
[04:04] <Starcraftmazter> but crap out with more than 1
[04:04] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  you have all the necessary modules loaded so try alsamixer
[04:05] <well_laid_lawn> hank_:  in pavucontrol are you sure there isn't more than one card to select from??
[04:06] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: you will need to turn off X and stage the ati drivers manually
[04:06] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: multi-gpu especially the 7xxx series are not well tested with GlideFX open source drivers
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: eh?
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> what do you mena stage
[04:07] <Starcraftmazter> mean*
[04:07] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: note the url and use wget command to get the binary directly from ATI's website for debian linux
[04:07] <hank_> As far as I can tell, under All Output Devices it just shows Dummy, while under Hardware output devs it shows nothing. I;'ll check alsamixer now. Thank you all for the help, by the way.
[04:07] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: oh my bad , stage is just a term we use to say Kernel aware. the linux kernel is not aware and does not know how to handle your multi-gpus
[04:08] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: so you will need the official ATI binary driver for Ubuntu or Debian
[04:09] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: to get your gpus working properly . Note the URL on their website, turn of X (We can help you with that if needed) and use wget to download the drivers.
[04:11] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: also note that you can use ATI's distribution specific package - that might be easier. Install it while you are running single gpu, then restart with multi-gpus
[04:12] <well_laid_lawn> bbiab have to do the mowing
[04:13] <toothpick> mowing?
[04:14] <Unit193> Cutting grass.
[04:14] <toothpick> oh. lol nevermind
[04:14] <hank_> I notice alsamixer does not show the line out, while it shows everything else under the sun.
[04:15] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: I will let others who are more knowledgeable in multi-gpu setup for ATI to dive in. I am well familiar with NVidia only at the moment.
[04:15] <Starcraftmazter> toothpick: which url?
[04:16] <toothpick> Starcraftmazter: the url for the file download from ati's website. Their catalyst binary package
[04:16] <Starcraftmazter> i was kind of hoping to use the 12.10 drivers as I need the AMD APP SDK installed too
[04:17] <toothpick> from this point on, Starcraft, I would not know the specifics of ATI drivers available out there since I have little experience with ATI drivers
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> sure but i mean you seem to imply this is an ati driver issue
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> what makes you think its not an xorg issue
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> like, i cant start up with all my cards even using the oss driver
[04:18] <Starcraftmazter> same thing happens, xorg seems to hang/crash
[04:18] <toothpick> because you mentioned that you can boot into Xorg with a single gpu
[04:19] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[04:19] <toothpick> yes, and Xorg only provides basic API for window and desktop managers such as Xfce and Gnome etc. Xorg communicate directly with the video drivers for rendering
[04:20] <Aiena> Would it be safe to install GLibc 2.3.6 on xubuntu 12.04 an application i want to install needs it. If yes then how do I upgrade my glibc version ?
[04:21] <Aiena> THe current version is 2.15
[04:21] <toothpick> Xubuntu uses open source ATI drivers which may or may not be multi-gpu aware. Due to this rationale, my first impression is installing the official video driver might fix your problem
[04:23] <toothpick> Aiena: yes it should be safe to upgrade glibc
[04:24] <Aiena> Thanks as to the second question - how
[04:24] <Aiena> cna you guide me toothpick
[04:24] <Aiena> *can
[04:24] <toothpick> Aiena: try sudo apt-get update then check the update manager to see if new version of glibc is available through the official repository
[04:24] <hank_> off to pretend it's windows and reboot, just in case. back soon.
[04:24] <Aiena> hank_: I have to compile from source I think
[04:25] <Aiena> the dependencies seem few
[04:25] <Aiena> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-glib-2-36-3-on-ubuntu-and-linux-mint/ article specifies automake 1.13 I have automake 1.10 will that do ?
[04:26] <toothpick> if you want to compile from source, they almost always have the minimum requirements specified in Readme.txt. You may want to consult that as your first source of literature since the developers know precisely what dependencies may or may not work.
[04:32] <Aiena> Thanks toothpick I have built other software from scratch but not yet glibc.
[04:33] <toothpick> Aiena: you are welcome. I wish I could be of more help
[04:34] <Aiena> Youve been of enough of help already - now time to take the plunge and hope for the best :)
[04:35] <toothpick> go for it. Let me know if it works out
[04:40] <hank_> Sound is now working after rebooting. Not sure what worked: edited  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to add card as 'options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 model=full_dig' and purged, reinstalelled pulseaudio and alsa-base. Maybe it was just the reboot. I've never had sound issues except when using jack apps. Thanks for the help!
[04:41] <hank_> All these years and never thought to ask here - silly me. Bye all.
[05:58] <Aiena> BY installing raring do I run the risk of damaging my hardware or only there is risk of software i.e. a clean format will clean up any mess ?
[05:58] <Aiena> (13.04)
[06:09] <Aiena> By installing raring do I run the risk of damaging my hardware or only there is risk of the OS getting messed up i.e. a clean format will clean up any mess ?
[06:09] <Sysi> no need to repeat
[06:10] <Aiena> Sysi: Sorry my channel got synchronised after the statement
[06:10] <Aiena> so wasnt sure if it got sent
[06:11] <Sysi> if there's really obnoxious driver bug and something goes wrong, it's possible that hardware breaks, but that problem is present on all systems and versions
[06:11] <Aiena> OK but my system uses regular hardware which got detected well out of the box with 12.04 keeping that in consideration in 13.04 safe ?
[06:12] <Sysi> almost 100% so
[06:12] <Aiena> Ok thanks
[06:12] <Sysi> I'd say definitely but I don't believe in perfection
[06:12] <Aiena> Ok thanks thats all I wanted to know :)
[06:13] <Sysi> you're welcome
[06:14] <Aiena> I needed some newer packages its difficult to build certain things in 12.04 without breaking something else and plus I get a chance to test 13.04 I use windows on the other partition so I have a fallback OS
[06:15] <Aiena> Sysi: If IRC channels get synchronised late do your messages still get sent - if sent prior to the synchronise message?
[06:17] <Sysi> I don't know, I generally wait a bit after saying anything
[06:18] <Aiena> Ok
[06:19] <Sysi> *before
[06:19] <Aiena> k
[06:40] <Aiena> Sysi: DO you know the glibc version in 13.04 ?
[06:40] <Aiena> *Do
[06:40] <Aiena> Dont know who to ask ubottu
[06:40] <Aiena> *how
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info glibc raring
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info gcc raring
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> dunno if that helps
[06:42] <Aiena> !info glibc raring
[06:42] <Aiena> !info libc raring
[06:43] <Aiena> well_laid_lawn: are you running raring ?
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> nope I'm on my arch lappy atm
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> !packages
[06:44] <well_laid_lawn> maybe check online for the version
[06:46] <Sysi> !info libc6
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> thank you Sysi
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> Aiena:  ^^
[07:01] <Aiena> well_laid_lawn:  Yes I was checking there
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> k cheers
[07:29] <nukke> /close
[07:30] <well_laid_lawn>  /fail
[12:17] <sim642> I just installed Xubuntu 13.04 and my wifi speed only reaches 50kbps while on windows I get the correct 20mbps. What's wrong?
[12:31] <cameor> do they have toilet paper in romania?
[12:34] <antisober552> hi guys long time no see
[12:35] <antisober552> umm how can i update to xbuntu without having to do a clean install
[12:37] <bekks> antisober552: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <antisober552> thx
[12:46] <antisober552> oh its says im on the newest desktop
[12:46] <antisober552> i want to update to 13.04
[13:02] <antisober552> can anyone help me
[13:04] <baizon> antisober552: what version do you got?
[13:04] <antisober552> i have xbuntu 12.10 i think
[13:05] <baizon> antisober552: run "update-manager -d"
[13:05] <baizon> there should be a big botton with a 13.04 upgrade :)
[13:06] <antisober552> update-manager -d in terminal ?
[13:06] <antisober552> cause theres no 13.04 update in software updater
[13:07] <baizon> antisober552: yes or in xfrun :)
[13:07] <antisober552> nothing is showing i get errors
[13:08] <antisober552> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu
[13:08] <antisober552> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for Unity
[13:08] <antisober552> thats with sudo
[13:08] <baizon> uname -a
[13:08] <baizon> what do you get?
[13:09] <antisober552> oh im on 12.04
[13:09] <antisober552> i just got an update come though for 12.10
[13:09] <baizon> if you have 12.04, you have to upgrade 12.04 -> 12.10 and then 12.10 -> 13.04
[13:10] <antisober552> okai
[13:10] <antisober552> thx
[13:14] <baizon> np
[13:34] <Arroyo1010> .join #reddit-sysadmin
[13:34] <Arroyo1010> non intentional, i apologize
[13:48] <user____> hi. I fail at mounting a swap partition and have no clue why
[13:49] <user____> this is what i get when i click on swap parttion icon http://pastebin.com/XuLG5hd2
[13:50] <user____> fstab: http://pastebin.com/FC4Y5VFd
[13:52] <user____> sudo mount /dev/sda5 says /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 does not exist
[13:53] <user____> blkid GIVES http://pastebin.com/nCs6CdDM
[14:22] <koegs> user____: you dont "mount" a swap parition
[14:22] <user____> OK
[14:22] <user____> WHAT ELSE
[14:23] <user____> I still get error
[14:23] <bekks> You activate it using swapon.
[14:23] <koegs> and your fstab is horribly wrong if /dev/sda5 is swap
[14:23] <user____> koegs:
[14:23] <bekks> And you have to create the swap signature, using mkswap.
[14:23] <user____> ok
[14:24] <user____> koegs: what fstab would u suggest?
[14:24] <koegs> /dev/mapper/cryptswap1  none    swap    sw      0       0
[14:25] <koegs> /etc/crypttab: cryptswap1 /dev/sda5 /dev/urandom swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256
[15:48] <Aiena|AFK> I ran pm-suspend-hybrid now I fell that my system still remembers the laoded data on disk from the hibernate how do I clear that
[15:48] <Aiena> *feel
[15:58] <zephyr28> Having some issues getting desktop effects and/or Compiz working in Xubuntu.  Are these known issues and is there an alternative to get both the effects and functionality of Compiz?
[16:05] <Sysi> install compiz, compiz-gnome and compizconfig-settingsmanager and set compiz to use gtk-window-decorator for drawing window borders in CC-S-M, set compiz --replace in autostart or run it and save session
[16:56] <Aiena> I installed openjdk-7-jre is there a way to run java 7 by default instead of the java 6 which come default with xubuntu 12.04 ?
[16:56] <Aiena> Sysi: Any idea?
[17:01] <holstein> Aiena: i would just remove the one you dont want
[17:01] <holstein> !java
[17:02] <Aiena> holstein: but they insist not to remove anything which originally came with xubuntu 12.04
[17:02] <holstein> they?
[17:03] <Aiena> official ubuntu documentation
[17:03] <holstein> Aiena: correct.. but, if you want the latest, then you must install and use the latest
[17:04] <Sysi> if there's /usr/bin/java like there's /usr/bin/python you could change that symlink to point to newer java
[17:04] <Aiena> holstein: so if I purge openjdk-6-jre then I should be fine
[17:04] <holstein> Aiena: you will be using the other version. "fine" is in many cases a matter of opinion
[17:07] <Aiena> Sysi: there is a usr/bin/java
[17:07] <Aiena> but java is an exe
[17:07] <Aiena> in this case
[17:07] <Aiena> not a directory
[17:08] <holstein> Aiena: you can specify which one you want to use.. or just remove the other one
[17:09] <Aiena> I think keeping java 7 is safe over java6 deprecated functions will still work if needed I think
[17:09] <Sysi> "file /usr/bin/java" if it says "symlink" you can delete it and create new one
[17:09] <holstein> Aiena: know how to revert, and you dont have to think.. if you need to revert and know how, you can
[17:10] <configX> For some reason Thunar is not showing thumbnails for any of my images. Tumbler is installed...
[17:10] <Aiena> I know how to revert
[17:10] <configX> Any thoughts?
[17:10] <Aiena> thats not an issue at all
[17:10] <Aiena> purge openjdk7 to avoid issues and fresh reinstall jdk6
[17:10] <Aiena> Sysi: it is a symlink
[17:11] <holstein> Aiena: so, you can switch that symlink to point where you want
[17:11] <Aiena> it says /usr/bin/java: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/java'
[17:11] <Aiena> holstein: I dont know what a symlink is
[17:11] <Sysi> oh, so you can use update-alternatives
[17:12] <Aiena> so what do i type after update alternatives ? Any other parameters have to be specified ?
[17:12] <holstein> Aiena: its pointint the the version that you dont want to be using.. you can remove that version, change the symlink, or use the update alternatives
[17:13] <Aiena> holstein: deleting the file will recreate the symlink with the new jdk ?
[17:13] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Choosing_the_default_Java_to_use
[17:14] <Sysi> holstein: actually it points to one set in update-alternatives
[17:15] <Aiena> thanks sysi
[17:15] <Aiena> I have updated it to point to the the new jdk while keeping the old untouched
[17:15] <configX> Nevermind...my own stupid mistake. Thumbnails was set to never. I didn't change that but I can't believe I missed such an obvious setting.
[19:23] <mishke_x> hi guys
[19:24] <mishke_x> when i tap to touchpad its not work as click, how to fix that?
[19:45] <secret_ninja> i have 2 internal h/d's 2 external h/d's. i boot nt and linux on one internal and linux on another internal. the first linux has kernels 3.8.0-22,23 and 25. the other linux has 3.8.0-19 (it's a clean install).
[19:45] <secret_ninja> using grub2
[19:46] <secret_ninja> would like to simplify the method i use to get between os'es
[19:47] <secret_ninja> i guess i want to merge the /dev/sda3/boot and the /dev/sdb2/boot directories
[19:47] <secret_ninja> and assign more readable names to the partitions
[19:48] <secret_ninja> anybody even here? shit.
[19:51] <TheSheep> !language | secret_ninja
[19:51] <contrapunctus> !patience | secret_ninja
[19:52] <TheSheep> secret_ninja: you can set labels for the partitions with e2label
[19:53] <TheSheep> no idea about merging boot directories, might be tricky
[19:53] <secret_ninja> i use the uuid from blkid
[19:57] <secret_ninja> im sure i can figure out e2label


[05:15] <hads> Having the global menu means more clicks. I have to focus the app I want to use the menu for and then click the menu.
[05:17] <hads> Seems to be an issue with higher resolution systems where windows aren't full screen very often.
[05:37] <ibeardslee> alt+menu shoudl still work?
[05:38] <ibeardslee> eww .. just checking on chromium
[05:39] <ibeardslee> hmm nope but works in terminal
[05:39] <ibeardslee> I do find that I use the mouse less often because of unity and the global menu
[05:40] <ibeardslee> but that could also be a result of just starting to be more efficient
[06:00]  * ajmitch is inclined to turn the global menu off & keep focus-follows-mouse
[06:24] <lifeless> ajmitch: xubuntu is kinda nice
[06:26] <ajmitch> I should try it out at some point