[00:45] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning
[01:28] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hi
[01:29] <jbicha> robert_ancell: do you drive the CI trains? I need this fix for evolution https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/syncevolution/fix-gcc6-ftbfs/+merge/302980
[01:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I don't
[01:29] <jbicha> ok, I'll ask Europe about it later then
[01:31] <TheMuso> ugh... Seems the switch to a systemd user session means that orca no longer starts automatically for me... Can gsettings keys be referred to in systemd units yet?
[01:32] <TheMuso> THis is a vanilla yakkety unity session with latest updates.
[01:32] <TheMuso> gnome-session is not running.
[05:42] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[05:43] <pitti> how are things after my holidays? :-)
[05:46] <TheMuso> pitti: Hey there, hope you had a good break.
[05:46] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[05:47] <pitti> yes, it was great! a week of bicycling and tenting along the Danube, then some days at home with nice summer weather
[05:49]  * duflu is jealous, and goes out for some brief sunlight
[05:53] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks.
[05:53] <TheMuso> pitti: A question about the systemd user session changeover... Should gnome-session not be running, at least in unity?
[05:54] <pitti> TheMuso: it certainly has to be running -- you mean not be running under upstart/systemd?
[05:55] <TheMuso> pitti: Well, I updated today, and in my current sesion gnome-session is not running.
[05:55] <TheMuso> session*
[05:55] <pitti> wow, how does anything work then?
[05:55] <TheMuso> I dunno.
[05:56] <pitti> TheMuso: "pgrep -af gnome-session" is really empty?
[05:56] <pitti> this isn't possible
[05:56] <TheMuso> luke@buffalo:~$ pgrep -af gnome-session
[05:56] <TheMuso> 5744 /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session
[05:56] <TheMuso> luke@buffalo:~$
[05:57] <TheMuso> I am able to mount a network share in nautilus, plug a USB stick in, ssh, etc.
[05:57] <TheMuso> Actually, I don't have an ssh agent running.
[05:57] <pitti> can you pastebin "systemctl --user status gnome-session"?
[05:57] <TheMuso> The reason why I chaced this up is because after updates and a reboot, Orca didn't start automatically, hense me going on a fact finding mission.
[05:58] <pitti> if gnome-session doesn't start at all, then not much of the desktop will work; it might be if it crashed later on
[05:58] <TheMuso> luke@buffalo:~$ systemctl --user status gnome-session
[05:58] <TheMuso> ● gnome-session.service - GNOME Session Manager
[05:58] <TheMuso>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/gnome-session.service; static; vendor preset: enabled)
[05:58] <TheMuso>    Active: inactive (dead)
[05:58] <TheMuso> Well /var/crash is empty.
[05:59] <pitti> TheMuso: I suppose ubuntu-session.target is not active either then?
[06:00] <TheMuso> I did have a lockup at the beginning of the update process, but I suspect it is hardware related, that could be the reason, although I did run dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install afterwards.
[06:00] <pitti> TheMuso: "initctl list | grep gnome-session"?
[06:00] <TheMuso> Again, active (inactive dead)
[06:00] <TheMuso> gnome-session (Unity) start/running, process 5807
[06:00] <pitti> ok, so you are not actually running a systemd session, supposedly it's all upstart then
[06:01] <TheMuso> Ok.
[06:01] <TheMuso> I just saw systemd --user in the process list and thought I was.
[06:01] <pitti> well, that has always run
[06:01] <TheMuso> Ok.
[06:01] <pitti> TheMuso: what's pid 5807?
[06:02] <pitti> it can't be gnome-session, as you already checked pgrep -- so it's something else
[06:02] <TheMuso> sleep infinity according to ps aux
[06:02] <pitti> hmm, dist-upgrading today rips out ubuntu-desktop, language-selector, aptdaemon etc.
[06:03] <TheMuso> Oh right, didn't notice that.
[06:03] <pitti> TheMuso: anything interesting in .xsession-errors?
[06:03] <TheMuso> Probably would have paid more attention if things weren't working at all.
[06:04] <TheMuso> upstart: gnome-session (Unity) main process (4295) killed by TERM signal
[06:05] <didrocks> hey hey pitti, welcome back \o/
[06:06] <TheMuso> pitti: Hrm it may be something broken on my system, hang on.
[06:06] <pitti> didrocks: merci ! comment vas-tu ?
[06:06] <pitti> TheMuso: what is "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION"?
[06:06] <pitti> TheMuso: you might be running a different session than "ubuntu"?
[06:06] <didrocks> pitti: bien bien, merci ! ce sera mon tour pour les vacances dès demain soir :-)
[06:07] <TheMuso> pitti: ubuntu
[06:07] <pitti> I finished dist-upgrading my clean VM, rebooted, and gnome-session is still running
[06:07] <TheMuso> hrm ok, something local here, will keep digging, thanks.
[06:07] <pitti> (partial upgrade without removing ubuntu-desktop)
[06:08] <TheMuso> Well ubuntu-desktop is installed here, even though I dist-upgraded before...
[06:10] <pitti> seems to be the aptdaemon update, that's incompatible with language-selector, system-config-printer, etc.
[06:11] <TheMuso> Lovely.
[06:20] <TheMuso> pitti: Thanks, I'll see what I can work out what is going on locally.
[06:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers:
[06:56] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[06:56] <seb128> salut pitti !
[06:56] <seb128> ça va bien, et toi ? bonnes vacances ?
[06:57] <pitti> seb128: oui, c'était bien ! on a allée le long du Danube pour une semaine, et passé quelque jours d'été chez nous
[06:58] <seb128> ah, super !
[06:58] <seb128> vous avez eu du beau temps ?
[06:58] <pitti> seb128: le plus souvent, oui; pas trop chaud, et il a plu seulement deux fois
[06:59] <seb128> nickel
[06:59] <pitti> très bien pour le velo et camping
[06:59] <seb128> oui, pas trop chaud et pas trop de pluie c'est bien !
[06:59] <seb128> welcome back ;-)
[07:01] <pitti> merci !
[07:36] <seb128> happyaron, hey, still no deb for bug #1579246? why is it taking so long?
[07:37] <happyaron> seb128: I'm looking at that atm
[07:37] <seb128> thanks
[07:37] <happyaron> was debugging the nm-ovpn build failure, merging the patch makes it ftbfs
[07:37] <seb128> we have a responsive user eager to test, we should loose him over frustration because it takes a week to provide a deb
[07:37] <happyaron> sure
[07:37] <seb128> thanks
[08:03] <Laney> morrrrrrrrrning
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:04] <willcooke> morning
[08:04] <happyaron> morning Laney willcooke
[08:04] <willcooke> did I beat L_aney?
[08:04] <willcooke> hey happyaron! morning seb128
[08:04] <happyaron> seb128: I've built the package locally, should I make a PPA for it?
[08:04] <infinity> Laney: Hey, can I whine at you about GTK themes?
[08:04] <seb128> happyaron, as you want, or just add the deb to the bug
[08:04] <happyaron> or just post the binary pkg as attachment?
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney, hw are you? hello willcooke and happyaron too!
[08:04] <happyaron> ok
[08:04] <willcooke> hey pitti, wb!
[08:05] <seb128> willcooke, no, you failed by 1 minute
[08:05] <happyaron> pitti: hey hello :)
[08:05] <pitti> infinity: can  I join your whining? :)
[08:05] <infinity> pitti: You sure can!
[08:05] <pitti> firefox has several issues (scroll bar, check boxes, etc.)
[08:05] <Laney> infinity: I'd rather you whined at Launchpad.
[08:05] <infinity> pitti: Which one do you like best, wrong colours, incosistent borders, misrendered/missing scroll bar grabbers, or INVISIBLE CHECKBOXES?
[08:06] <pitti> infinity: the checkboxes for sure -- they really made me scratch my  head when I tried to buy a train ticket :)
[08:06] <infinity> pitti: Heh.  I've had to say "no, the tickbox is really there, just click around a bit" to more than one person this week. :P
[08:06] <Laney> are you talking about firefox?
[08:06] <infinity> Laney: Yeah.
[08:06] <Laney> Right
[08:06] <Laney> Get it to migrate
[08:06] <infinity> Laney: I don't really use other GUI applications. :P
[08:07] <infinity> Laney: Oh, this is fixed in proposed?
[08:07] <Laney> I think so - or if not then it's fixed with a rebuild
[08:07] <infinity> Laney: gedit is also FUBAR.
[08:07] <Laney> I can't remember if they ifdef
[08:07] <infinity> Laney: dark grey on black, FTW.
[08:07] <pitti> Laney: do we care about firefox powerpc and s390x packages?
[08:07] <Laney> Don't ask me
[08:07] <seb128> pitti, we (as maintainer&desktop) don't
[08:08] <infinity> pitti: We kinda do, for $reasons.
[08:08] <infinity> pitti: A look can be had.
[08:08] <seb128> but infinity and some other asked in the past that we don't drop those
[08:08] <seb128> infinity, we tried that
[08:08] <seb128> x_nox had a look previous week
[08:08] <seb128> but failed&had to move to other things
[08:08] <infinity> The looking didn't go well?
[08:08] <seb128> if you want to help please do
[08:08] <seb128> well, one Dimitri volunteer and he walked away
[08:08] <seb128> which let us with the current situation
[08:09] <pitti> these are exactly the two big-endian arches
[08:09] <infinity> Yep.
[08:10] <seb128> right, been there
[08:10] <infinity> The story in Debian is also endian-suspicious.
[08:10] <infinity> Anyhow, grabbing build logs, might not look until tomorrow morning.
[08:11] <pitti> and I guess pretty much everything else depends on migrating glibc
[08:11] <seb128> infinity, pitti, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/09/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t10:25
[08:11] <infinity> If it's going to be monumental effort, I'll let it through, but it needs investigation before release, due to some rdep fun involving firefox.
[08:11] <seb128> infinity, pitti, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/09/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t13:09 might be of the use/hint
[08:12] <infinity> seb128: As for the mention in that log that deps are ORed with other browsers, that's true, but it wreaks havoc with germinate and component-mismatches. :/
[08:14] <seb128> hum, k
[08:14] <seb128> infinity, x_nox tried https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+archive/ubuntu/nonvirt/+sourcepub/6790364/+listing-archive-extra
[08:14] <infinity> Oh, if this was the ICU thing, the correct answer is to use the system lib.
[08:14] <infinity> I'll play tomorrow.
[08:15] <infinity> There's exactly zero reason to use a bundled ICU.
[08:15] <seb128> thanks
[08:15] <infinity> Not that this shouldn't also be fixed upstream, though.  Which was the point of xnox's tests, I believe.
[08:24] <desrt> good morning, desktop!!!
[08:24] <seb128> hey desrt! how was GUADEC?
[08:26] <desrt> honestly?
[08:26] <desrt> absolutely awesome
[08:27] <desrt> it may have been the best one.  i was sad i had to leave early.
[08:28] <desrt> everything was very well planned, and went off without a hitch.  ugly and boring city, but good venue.  good (and different) social events every night... and everyone in a really good mood...
[08:28] <seb128> oh, well at least it was good :-)
[08:28] <seb128> how many people this year?
[08:28] <desrt> more than last year or the year before
[08:28] <desrt> which was... nice to see, for a change
[08:29] <desrt> i think gotenburg was maybe some kind of a low point... good one to have missed =)
[08:29] <seb128> location was a good pick
[08:30] <desrt> ya.  karlsruhe is pretty easily trainable... i'm sure that helped to raise the numbers a lot.... but there were lots of americans there as well
[08:30] <seb128> not too difficult to get too and not too expensive
[08:31] <desrt> so now it's 4am and i'm listening to wilco.
[08:31] <desrt> mmm.
[08:31] <desrt> tragically hip is tonight
[08:31] <desrt> life is good :D
[08:37] <desrt> there's no food in this apartment!  life sucks.
[08:37]  * desrt enjoys her coffee
[08:38] <seb128> shouldn't you be enjoying some sleep instead? ;-)
[08:38] <desrt> and ruin my beautiful jetlag?  no way!
[08:39] <desrt> there's work to do!
[08:39] <seb128> :-)
[08:39] <xnox> infinity, there is more than that. JITs are disabled in fedora too, system icu is used, and compilation is reduced down to -O1 there.
[08:40] <xnox> it is buildable on s390x, for sure, cause fedora managed it.
[08:40] <seb128> desrt, speaking of work, can we get https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767240 commited?
[08:40] <desrt> ofc.
[08:40] <desrt> was in conference mode, sorry :)
[08:41] <seb128> no worry
[08:41] <desrt> (and all the potential reviewers were too)
[08:42] <desrt> i really need to fix my git-bz :(
[08:42] <desrt> anyway.  pushed.
[08:42] <seb128> thanks
[08:44] <Laney> hi desrt!!!!
[08:44] <desrt> HI LANEY!
[08:44]  * desrt running jump hug
[08:44] <desrt> i am afraid you missed a good one :(
[08:45] <Laney> shucks
[08:45] <Laney> I did eat fish and chips at the seaside though
[08:45] <desrt> ...how were the chips?
[08:46] <Laney> some sand got blown onto them :(
[08:47] <desrt> well, texture is nice
[08:48] <Laney> mmm, gritty chips
[08:48] <Laney> everything still where you left it back at home?
[08:49] <andyrock> morning
[08:49] <desrt> yup.  just unpacking a bunch of mail now.
[08:49] <desrt> seems that my homeowners insurance got cancelled while i was gone
[08:50] <Laney> bleh
[08:50] <Laney> santander just announced a 3% -> 1.5% cut on my interest rate
[08:50] <desrt> i have a weird insurance company... they get upset over odd things... like when you don't pay...
[08:51] <desrt> on that note, i should probably also pay some of these various electricity bills...
[08:51] <Laney> "Santander recognises that these changes may mean some customers will need to consider whether their account is still right for them."
[08:51] <Laney> no shit
[08:51]  * desrt searches for a clever way to combine the words "interest" or "rate" and "exit" for comic effect and comes up short
[08:55] <Laney> wouldn't be surprised if I can't find better than 1.5% elsewhere though
[08:58] <desrt> same thing happened to me a few years ago with an online-only savings account that had a great rate.... i ended up shoving it into stocks intsead.
[08:58] <desrt> canadian taxes sort of punish you for having savings accounts anyway...
[08:58] <Laney> 2.2% on a five year fix
[08:59] <Laney> ._.
[08:59]  * Laney will wait until closer to the time
[08:59] <Laney> (THANKS LEAVE)
[09:02] <willcooke> I was trying to find a savings account for the kiddies, but they have interest rates of < 1% which is quite the opposite of a savings account.
[09:02] <willcooke> so I might buy them shares in Uber or something instead
[09:19] <seb128> Saviq, hey, just for info somebody opened bug #1613297 (unsure if you already had a bug open about that, I think that you mentioned the issue at some sprint)
[09:20] <Saviq> seb128, right, we had a look with Trevinho about that, it kills everything that's launched by unity, could be a cgroup thing or something
[09:20] <seb128> right
[09:20] <seb128> well, there is a bug now
[09:21] <seb128> so feel free to subscribe/comment ;-)
[09:21] <Saviq> doing, thanks
[09:21] <seb128> yw!
[09:47] <andyrock> seb128, Saviq all the process started by unity have as process group 'compiz'
[09:47] <Saviq> andyrock, yeah sounds like that's what's getting killed
[10:04] <desrt> willcooke: read an interesting article recently on how difficult it is to short uber, and how one might approach it anyway
[10:04] <willcooke> :)
[10:07] <willcooke> I dont think I've got the wherewithal to short stocks
[10:08] <davmor2> willcooke: long stocks are easy we've been putting them up since the dark ages
[10:29] <desrt> man chrome is dumb.  it keeps giving me google.de results.
[10:29]  * desrt grumbles
[10:31] <desrt> ...and after switching it to google.ca, now it gives me google.de *and* speaks german to me
[10:31]  * desrt sobs
[10:31] <willcooke> :D
[10:32] <desrt> also: i installed a firmware update on my phone when i happened to be in germany, and now the encrypted storage "please enter your pattern" screen on boot-up is german
[10:32] <ogra_> perhaps it wants you to move
[10:33] <desrt> i don't understand for the life of me why this is such an awful experience.... does nobody ever travel?  i see a lot of people on airplanes... it suggests that going between countries is sort of a popular thing to do... but apparently google doesn't know this?
[10:33]  * ogra_ just uses a sane phone :P
[10:34] <ogra_> (one where i can whine directly into the developer ears if needed ;) )
[10:35] <desrt> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/sq-RT8-eIm8
[10:35] <desrt> lol.  known problem since 2010.
[10:36] <desrt> workaround: open some local state file in ~/.config/ with a text editor and delete some stuff
[10:36] <desrt> awesome
[10:42] <Laney> just got a letter from my savings account provider who is also cutting interest rates
[11:09] <xnox> Laney, nothing of mine got cut. But it's all 1 year term accounts, so I'm guessing they will cut on renewal.
[11:09] <xnox> Laney, https://www.ratesetter.com/ is the way to go....
[11:10] <xnox> do you want referral link into that ponzi scheme?
[11:13] <Laney> xnox: will look soon
[12:29]  * Laney activates the ximion sign
[12:29] <Laney> it's much like the batman one
[12:33] <seb128> doesn't seem to work as well :-)
[12:33] <Laney> he's driving at 300kph across heidelberg right now
[12:34]  * Laney goes for lunch while that happens :P
[13:15] <Sweet5hark> so, I just uploaded http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/yakkety/5.2.0/
[13:15] <Sweet5hark> On a local rebuild the -proposed test failure cant be reproduced, so either its gone (good) or a Heisenbug (bad). Re-ran the test 7 times, always succeeding.
[13:15] <Sweet5hark> I havent tested the upgrade path with that yet with the latest changes (-impress/-draw lib move and libreoffice-gtk transitional), because that essentially needs a PPA build.
[13:15] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ^^ given the timing, still push this to proposed?
[13:16] <seb128> Sweet5hark, wfm, we can do another ppa upload round if you prefer as well
[13:20] <Sweet5hark> seb128: Id go for skipping the ppa, when the build finishes in -proposed, I will retest the upgrade path there ASAP. it should be ok from testing with plain dpkg -i testing here (instead of testing against an archive with "sudo apt" ...).
[13:21] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  FWIW, im just as worried about the heisenbug that I cant reproduce locally right now.
[13:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, wfm, I'm going to sponsor it
[13:32] <tedg> seb128: What channel did you tell someone ask me about menus? I can't seem to find it now.
[13:33] <tedg> seb128: Really, for GNOME3 and GTK3 desrt would be a better person to chat with.
[13:33] <seb128> tedg, #ubuntu-devel
[13:33] <seb128> k
[13:41] <Laney> omg it worked
[13:41]  * Laney gives ximion a nod
[13:41] <seb128> lol
[13:42] <cyphermox> seb128: are you still working on the pkcompat rdeps? since I have the update for 0install and gnome-system-tools ready?
[13:42] <ximion> Laney: what worked? :D
[13:43] <shemgp> desrt, I'm trying to build an extension in GNOME3 for it to have global menus. Can I use unity-panel-service to get the menus from applications so I can display it?
[13:43] <ximion> btw, we learned that the PK aptcc backend has quite an amount of bugs - IMHO it needs some refactoring for a while now
[13:43] <desrt> yes... but why?
[13:44] <desrt> you would be better to use GMenuModel directly
[13:44]  * ximion needs more time
[13:44] <Laney> ximion: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/08/16/#ubuntu-desktop.html#t12:29
[13:44] <desrt> the protocol for putting the appmenu in gnome-shell is the same one that gtk uses to export the menus
[13:44] <desrt> and even unity-gtk-module (for gtk apps that don't export their own menus) uses this
[13:44] <Laney> ximion: lemme push something, then I have a question
[13:44] <desrt> so it would be a very minor tweak to make gnome-shell display the menubar
[13:45] <desrt> i expect like ~100 lines of javascript
[13:46] <ximion> :D
[13:46]  * ximion needs a service that keeps him online on IRC all the time
[13:47] <shemgp>  how about for none gtk apps?
[13:48] <Laney> ximion: some people like irccloud
[13:48] <Laney> anyways
[13:48] <Laney> https://github.com/iainlane/appstream-generator/blob/translations/source/result.d#L232 <- this doesn't work, because of https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/src/as-component.c#L996
[13:48] <seb128> cyphermox, I was looking at something else and was going back to that, please upload those you have
[13:49] <Laney> after I add the 'C' one, it's never empty because of that fallback
[13:49] <Laney> fixing it by sorting C to be last seems like a hack...
[13:50] <cyphermox> seb128: ok
[13:51] <ximion> Laney: we want to have either a new method to get the description without fallback, or a flag in AsComponent to disable the fallback
[13:51] <ximion> I would probably use the latter...
[13:52] <ximion> but at time, anything is possible in libappstream, I am allowed to break the API in Git master at the moment < <
[13:54] <ximion> having a set of flags controlling whether there is a fallback in AsComponent is IMHO a good idea, since it allows software centers to still use the simple API, while allowing asgen to have full control over fallbacks. Having a set of AsValueFlags (or whatever it will be called) would also allow us to extend this later without API break, e.g. in case we want to add additional flags there
[13:54] <ximion> (I already have a few in mind)
[13:55] <shemgp> desrt, Also, does the GMenuModel hide the menu in the app too? Am still looking at the code of indicator-appmenu to understand how it hides the menu when the applet is added to the gnome-panel in gnome-flashback.
[13:56] <ximion> Laney: I could implement this today, I think
[13:56] <ximion> would bin you to AppStream master though (but that's inevitable anyway)
[13:56] <ximion> *bind
[13:57] <Laney> ximion: if you want to, that would be nice
[13:58] <Laney> master is okay for now, would want a release soon if possible
[14:00] <ximion> Laney: I have a big bunch of complex changes for the next (0.10) release, so I can't give an ETA on that, unfortunately...
[14:00] <ximion> I hope I can somehow get it ready for inclusion into Yakkety though
[14:05] <Laney> ximion: Oops I started adding flag stuff, let me do the first round and then you can fix it up :P
[14:05] <Laney> my fingers worked without my permission
[14:06] <ximion> call it AsValueFlags
[14:06] <Laney> did
[14:07] <ximion> I also want to use them to check for e.g. duplicates when adding new values to a GPtrArray
[14:07] <ximion> (because dupe check on a short GPtrArray is better than investing more memory in a GHashTable, and has almost the same speed)
[14:08] <ximion> Laney: btw, I will need to regenerate the D bindings for AppStream
[14:08] <ximion> before this is useful
[14:08] <Laney> ya
[14:29] <desrt> shemgp: it is done by the {unity,gnome}-settings-daemon via an XSETTINGS property
[14:30] <desrt> "Gtk/ShellShowsMenubar"
[14:31] <desrt> the settings daemon checks for a certain dbus name being owned or not to guess if the panel is showing the menu
[14:32] <desrt> it is a bit of a weird approach, and I never really cared for it...
[14:51] <Laney> ximion: https://github.com/iainlane/appstream.git has a thing, do what you will with it
[14:51] <Laney> where is the gir-d-generator?
[14:55] <ximion> Laney: here https://github.com/ximion/gir-d-generator
[14:55] <Laney> not in archive then?
[14:55] <ximion> I forked it a while back to not dynamically load the shared libraries and instead link them properly
[14:56] <Laney> thx, I'll see if this works
[14:56] <ximion> sooner or later, that thing should go back upstream
[14:56] <Laney> bet it's not easy to get it to use an uninstalled copy of libas
[14:56] <ximion> Laney: LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[14:57] <Laney> ^_^
[14:58] <ximion> patch looks good :)
[14:58] <Laney> didn't know if you wanted to make it be a property
[14:58] <ximion> I wonder if it's time though to make some generic helper methods for bitfield operations
[14:58] <Laney> or have some more fancy accessors
[14:58] <Laney> but you can do that
[14:59] <shemgp> desrt, thanks for the pointers.  Do you think I'll still need to use the js equivalent of g_dbus_menu_model_get to get the GMenuModel?  If so, which service actually exports the menu as a dbus_menu?
[14:59] <ximion> yeah, I am thinking about just a classical get/set thing and provide some helper methods to work with bitfields
[14:59] <desrt> shemgp: the app itself exports it
[14:59] <desrt> shemgp: and there should already be appropriate wrappers in the shell, since this is exactly what is done to create the widgets of the app menu
[15:02] <Sweet5hark> two(!) flies just drowned themselves together in my teacup.
[15:02] <Sweet5hark> I affectionally can them romeo and juliet.
[15:06] <ximion> Laney: I will add that patch asap and regenerate the bindings
[15:06] <ximion> (also good to fix the CI < < )
[15:06] <Laney> merci monsieur
[15:08] <Laney> ximion: how do I use this gir-d-generator?
[15:08] <Laney> it's whining about APILookup.txt
[15:12] <ximion> Laney: that is because I apparently didn't include the wrapfiles...
[15:13] <Laney> oho
[15:13] <Laney> i'll wait for you :P
[15:14] <Laney> in the weeds a bit on this stuff
[15:17]  * Laney drags up knowledge of langpacks
[15:17] <Laney> urghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:17] <ximion> Laney: updated that stuff
[15:20] <Laney> ta
[15:28] <ximion> Laney: btw, if you type "make", asgen will be compiled with high optimization and debug symbols by default
[15:28] <Laney> nice
[15:28] <ximion> if you don't want to wait ages for the build, there is "make fast"
[15:28] <Laney> I should rebase my branch
[15:29]  * Laney is scared
[15:29] <Laney> git submodule update --remote would be nice, BTW :-)
[15:29] <ximion> Laney: I learned about a cool new build system called Meson at GUADEC - that thing compiles asgen in a few seconds, and doesn't have all the limitations dub has
[15:29] <Laney> haha
[15:29] <Laney> Me...son...
[15:29]  * Laney knows the creator
[15:29] <Laney> was he there?
[15:30] <willcooke> gah
[15:30] <ximion> yes
[15:30] <willcooke> meeting time already
[15:30]  * Laney snuggles Jussi
[15:30] <ximion> nice guy, he sold his build system very well
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-08-16
[15:30] <Laney> he used to work at Canonical
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 16 15:30:50 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <Laney> oh
[15:30] <Laney> OH
[15:31] <willcooke> Wont take long lots of people are out/hols today
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko (hols), laney, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (hols), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> hea
[15:31] <qengho> Aiee!
[15:31] <desrt> hihi
[15:33] <cyphermox> howdy.
[15:33] <willcooke> let's crack on....
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> # [BUG:942962] Setting ‘Menus discovery duration’ to 0 does not
[15:33] <willcooke> disable menu discovery
[15:33] <willcooke> # [BUG:1609845] sudo ubuntu-sdk ... open project ... click to file
[15:33] <willcooke> right key mouse "Show Containing Folder" .  a folder shortcut in unity
[15:33] <willcooke> sidebar is not active
[15:33] <willcooke> # Looking around for
[15:33] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1613297
[15:33] <willcooke> # Bug triaging
[15:33] <willcooke> # Reviews
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey
[15:34] <attente> i'm starting work on a snapcraft plugin to snap things using jhbuild
[15:35] <attente> that's pretty much it, besides some gtk-mir reviews
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> - went to guadec
[15:35] <desrt> - left yesterday.  got back to toronto late evening.  still very much on european time (...give it a week or so)
[15:36] <desrt> - bugs
[15:36] <desrt> - continuing dconf stuff
[15:36] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt :)
[15:36] <willcooke> I saw you looking at a paddling pool :)
[15:36] <desrt> lo
[15:36] <desrt> also 'l'
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * working on symlink checking in glib/gvfs for bug #1598183
[15:37] <dgadomski> * made some progress with adjusting RawTherapee to work as a snap, but it's not ready yet
[15:37] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <willcooke> *running test case of sogou:
[15:37] <willcooke> testing passing image between qml and c++ and cpu and memory using status
[15:37] <willcooke> * bug tracing for QQuickImageProvider doesn't transfer ownership to C++
[15:37] <willcooke> * output log analyzing for missing image
[15:37] <willcooke> * localization for Meizu phone image.
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:37] <willcooke> 1. ocserv/0.11.4-1
[15:37] <willcooke> 2. merge some more zfs patches from Ubuntu
[15:37] <willcooke> 3. libpinyin MIR
[15:37] <willcooke> 4. nm-openvpn build failure debug
[15:37] <willcooke> 5. fcitx/1:<IP_ADDRESS>-2
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:38] <Laney> • Short week, beach time on Friday
[15:38] <Laney> • Helped a lot (in time, maybe not so much in outcome) with an ongoing migration in yakkety-proposed. The only thing that's left now is the kernel, which is being worked on. Required some bisecting(!) of ffmpeg, various other uploads and lots of autopkgtest handholding.
[15:38] <Laney> • Prodded at gjs's failing tests, found out that it worked after a rebuild, go figure.
[15:38] <Laney> • Finalised a fix for ubiquity-dm to listen to u-s-d signals, so that it waits for the scaling factor to be set up before loading the UI, now pending review/merging.
[15:38] <Laney> • Review (ish) / merge gtk-mir refresh for 3.20.
[15:38] <Laney> • Get back to working on asgen; description translation is coming back after some other fixes get merged.
[15:39] <Laney> 🚥
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:39] <Laney> fo sho
[15:39] <qengho> Hi, y'all!
[15:39] <qengho> * Finish moving Chromium to GN build tool. GYP will be removed *this month*.
[15:39] <qengho> * Still debugging Precise special toolchain shlibdeps failure.
[15:39] <qengho> * Strange renderer crash in Cr52. Debugging. Not easy.
[15:39] <qengho> * Contact at Google can't help about Google API exhaustion and geolocation failures in browsers. I want to punt this.
[15:39] <qengho> EOF
[15:39] <qengho> willcooke: Want to talk to Google?
[15:39] <willcooke> qengho, yeah, lets after the meeting
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> qengho: chromium using yet-another build tools? do they have too much time?
[15:40] <qengho> Sweet5hark: Yes. Yes they do.
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:40] <willcooke> • Some yakkety merges (desktop-file-utils, libimobiledevice, cups-pk-helper)
[15:40] <willcooke> • Fixed vino eating cpu when the upnp option is activated (+SRU)
[15:40] <willcooke> • Backported a cups packaging fix from debian which impacted the build
[15:40] <willcooke> of gtk+ (then dealt with cups itself not building due to other debian
[15:40] <willcooke> changes)
[15:40] <willcooke> • some sponsoring (onboard, libreoffice)
[15:40] <willcooke> • SRUed samba fix for gvfsd-smb eating cpu on some configurations
[15:40] <willcooke> • bugs triage and some archive admin work
[15:40] <willcooke> • helped unity8-stack-upstreams to file MIRs for their components
[15:40] <shemgp> desrt: Found the gnome code that gets the app_menu. It's in C and not JS. Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I think I understand it more now.
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - yakkety finishing touches:
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- looked for the ftbfs, couldnt reproduce locally, hoping for the best now
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- merged a Debian fix 833181
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> -- fixed up transitional
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - conference prep
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - triage, bugzilla grinding, watched for regression status
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream admin, staff leadership etc., fixed upstream regression tdf#91832
[15:41] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:41] <desrt> shemgp: (meeting going on now.  let's talk later)
[15:41] <willcooke> * Finished work on a11y-profile-manager functionality wise for this cycle. Decided not to refer to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP for various reasons, so if gsettings can't be found, the library just silently moves on.
[15:41] <willcooke> * Tried reproducing bug #1574324 again, with no luck, asked if anybody is willing to wkr with me to test pulse packages with various patches enabled/disabled to find the culpret ubuntu touch patch.
[15:41] <willcooke> * Started working on updating brltty to 5.4, will be getting that in tomorrow in plenty of time before FF.
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:41] <shemgp> desrt: ok, sorry
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Concluded modifications on cups-browsed to allow snappification, added new mupdftoraster filter from GSoC student, allow buiuld without Poppler, add -dNOMEDIAATTRS argumant to all Ghostscript calls (for Ghostscript not to interfere on media settings).
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - cups: Sort out breakage in auto-synced Debian package.
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - Ghostscript: Merged latest Debian changes for FF.
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer, pnm2ppa, foomatic-db, foo2zjs, splix: Updated to latest upstream/Debian versions for FF.
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - libopenjpeg2: Moved libopenjpeg MIR on to libopenjpeg2 (bug 711061).
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - foomatic-db: Started with adding -dNOMEDIAATTRS argumant to all Ghostscript calls here, too.
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students through their projects
[15:41] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:42] <willcooke> - snapd-glib progress
[15:42] <willcooke> - GNOME Software 3.20 merging
[15:42] <willcooke> - Simple Scan 3.21.90 release
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic aob#
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic aob
[15:42] <willcooke> U8 MIRs are moving forwards.  Please continue to offer help to people if they need it
[15:43] <willcooke> We have made an offer for the #2 open rec in our team.  More news as it happens.
[15:43] <willcooke> anyone got anything else they want to talk about?
[15:44] <willcooke> timeout: 30 seconds
[15:44] <Laney> .
[15:44] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 15:44:48 2016 UTC.
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-08-16-15.30.moin.txt
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:44] <Laney> THANKS!
[15:44] <Laney> nice and efficient
[15:56] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hey :), don't forget 5.1.5 for Xenial https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.1#5.1.5_release
[15:57] <ricotz> (the official archive sru package)
[16:00] <ximion> Laney: rebasing on asgen master is a good idea
[16:01] <ximion> I had to move some stuff around to make it compile with Meson (and then ran into an LDC bug which needs to be resolved first)
[16:04] <ximion> (nothing which should result in conflicts though, unless you touched the import lines)
[16:13] <Laney> going to do that in a minute
[16:37] <ximion> Laney: I changed your patch a bit
[16:38] <Laney> great
[16:38] <Laney> thanks!
[16:39] <ximion> was mainly fixing memory leaks and the accessor methods (also, Flag fields usually don't need _LAST, since you rarely iterate over them, but a _NONE is useful)
[16:39] <ximion> I also added a few macros for bitwise operations, which are only in the C code though
[16:40] <ximion> in D, this works the same way as in C though ^^
[16:48] <ximion> Laney: rebase now and get all binding updates for free! ;-)
[17:02] <Laney> ximion: meh, can't build, but also have to go
[17:03] <Laney> will try more tomorrow
[17:03] <Laney> byeee
[17:03] <ochosi> jbicha: http://simon.shimmerproject.org/2016/08/16/greybird-3-20-0-to-be-clear-with-support-for-gtk3-20-released/
[17:08] <ximion> Laney: bye!
[17:08] <ximion> the CI is happy, so an error message would have been nice ^^
[17:11] <seb128> Laney, have a nice evening!
[17:37] <xnox> seb128, are you around? i wanted to ask you about win10 update + dual boot ubuntu
[17:37] <xnox> what did it destroy and is it recoverable or not
[17:37] <xnox> ?
[17:37]  * xnox is scared to upgrade
[17:41] <seb128> xnox, it delete the ubuntu partition from the partition table, I manage to fix it using parted from a livecd and recreating a partition on the same start/end
[17:46] <jbicha> xnox: backup your partition table first
[17:48] <jbicha> I had the problem once a few months ago because I had opted in to the Windows 10 "Insider" previews
[17:49] <jbicha> and backup all your data too in case your partition table backup isn't good enough
[17:50] <sarnold> hmm
[17:50] <sarnold> I just realized
[17:51] <sarnold> I may have learned that the easy way to dual boot windows and linux (two hard drives, unplug and plug whichever one you want) may predate xnox :)
[18:10] <willcooke> night all
[18:30] <dobey> sarnold: easy way to dual boot: have two computers :)
[18:30] <dobey> kvm ftw
[18:31] <sarnold> dobey: but then you don't have the fun of plugging and unplugging those 40-pin PATA cables and hoping you don't bend the pins!
[18:31] <dobey> also makes it easier to isolate windows from rest of the network, when the MAC is different
[19:31]  * qengho just edited in the wrong window for 45 minutes.
[19:31] <qengho> I need a time machine.
[21:48] <robert_ancell> attente, hi
[21:48] <attente> hi robert_ancell
[21:49] <robert_ancell> attente, can you look at wip/ubuntu-xenial and check if the changes from origin/gnome-3-20 in src/gs-application.c make sense?
[21:50] <attente> robert_ancell: sure
[21:51] <robert_ancell> attente, the other thing - were you making releases by running 'make distcheck' or 'make dist'? I can't seem to get the tests to pass
[21:53] <attente> i was doing make distcheck before, but i don't remember if the tests were passing then either
[22:00] <robert_ancell> attente, also, do you know what c9bcf92dc740ec5a31d108967f5d78cbf91b548e was working around?
[22:00] <robert_ancell> That seems better fixed in the source, because every string could potentially have the same issue
[22:02] <robert_ancell> I'm pretty sure none of the current code is making that mistake (setting the origin to the value returned from gs_app_get_origin)
[22:03] <robert_ancell> The renaming of gs_plugin_app_update to gs_plugin_update_app makes that patch really hard to understand :)
[22:04] <attente> robert_ancell: yeah, tbh, i'm not sure i remember why i did that. we can remove it if the problem hasn't been noticed upstream
[22:05] <robert_ancell> Looks like a "I hope this helps" type of patch :)
[22:06] <attente> heh, could very well be
[22:09] <robert_ancell> attente, regarding src/gs-application.c it looks like the reboot/refresh code is duplicated, but I'm not sure if they're actually covering two cases.
[22:09] <attente> is there a commit upstream that does the same thing? because i think it's supposed to be in only one place
[22:09] <robert_ancell> And also trying to work out if any of this is safe code that can go into gnome-3-20 and reduce our delta (I've asked Richard if he'll take the patches in wip/rancell/3-20-enhancements)
[22:10] <robert_ancell> attente, that's were I'm not sure because I didn't work on that code
[22:11] <attente> robert_ancell: ok, let me look at the diff between the two branches
[22:18] <robert_ancell> mterry, did you have a concerns about the lightdm 1.18.3 release?
[22:18] <robert_ancell> any concerns
[22:30] <robert_ancell> got to head out, be back in 15-30
[23:42] <robert_ancell> attente, any luck on the gs-application.c changes?


[02:40] <TheeMahn> Colin Watson can I get your attention?
[02:42] <ScottK> TheeMahn: Probably not right now.  It's the middle of the night in his TZ and the odds of him being awake and at the keyboard are rather small.
[02:43] <TheeMahn> Thanks, I was here to point our errors & yes I know launchpad is there.
[02:45] <Seeker`> TheeMahn: why not report them on launchpad then?
[02:45] <TheeMahn> He wiped out 1 he shold have re-considered, I was testing it as he did his hanywork.
[02:45] <Seeker`> "wiped out"?
[02:46] <TheeMahn> Well you won't find on launchpad anymore ;)
[02:46] <ScottK> Wiped out what?
[02:46] <Seeker`> what was the error?
[02:46] <TheeMahn> I also build an alternative
[02:47] <TheeMahn> search my name
[02:48] <Seeker`> what was the error?
[02:49] <TheeMahn> 33## he fixed, I think it is wrong he removed it from launchpad
[02:49] <TheeMahn> it introduced another error
[02:50] <TheeMahn> I wanted to speak with him personally
[02:50] <Seeker`> 33##?
[02:50] <TheeMahn> I will not fill in the blanks
[02:50] <Seeker`> why not?
[02:51] <TheeMahn> It does not exist on launchpad
[02:52] <Seeker`> why not explain what the actual problem is instead of being cryptic
[02:52] <TheeMahn> That is between him & I
[02:54] <Seeker`> TheeMahn: you wont say what the bug you think was introduced was?
[02:54] <TheeMahn> sure I could tell you, are you theUbiquity man
[02:55] <Seeker`> is there any reason not to tell me?
[02:55] <TheeMahn> I know what is going on
[02:55] <TheeMahn> it is between me & him
[02:58] <TheeMahn> I won't "try" to help you again is that the attitude I need to have?
[02:59] <Seeker`> pardon?
[03:00] <TheeMahn> are you a dev?
[03:00] <Seeker`> no, just interested
[03:01] <TheeMahn> yeah, sit in those shoes just once.
[03:01] <Pici> Um. okay then.
[03:01] <Seeker`> WHAT. THE. ....
[03:05] <ScottK> Unfortunately he left before I could warn he he was about to get thrown out.
[03:05] <wgrant> He's the Ultimate Edition guy.
[03:06] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:06] <wgrant> Ultimate Edition and Ultamatix
[03:06] <wgrant> That should give an example of the sanity we should expect.
[03:06] <ScottK> Right.  Got it.
[03:06] <wgrant> Colin is powerful indeed to remove bugs from Launchpad.
[03:18] <pam> asac: Is a non stripped version of firefox available somewhere? (trying to debug a segfault on Jaunty)
[03:31] <wgrant> pam: Debug symbols for most Ubuntu packages are on ddebs.ubuntu.com.
[03:31] <pam> wgrant: yeah, I just saw that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[03:31] <pam> I got confused because firefox-3.5-dbg is present in the normal repos
[03:31] <pam> But https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-June/047318.html says you don't bulid them anymore?
[03:32] <wgrant> So it seems.
[03:32] <wgrant> There's little (but not no) reason to have -dbg packages now we have automated symbol extraction.
[03:33] <pam> oh - not aware of that
[07:04] <peerless> hello any one here?
[07:04] <ubuntuella> Hey peerless.
[10:54] <asac> pam: we build them again because dbgsym was a mess ;)
[10:54] <asac> xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg + firefox-3.5-dbg
[10:56] <pochu> asac: what's the problem with dbgsym?
[11:03] <asac> pochu: bit problem: we dont get any for security updates (and i think also not for -proposed/-updates bits)
[11:03] <asac> so for firefox they are in general useless for stable releases ;)
[11:04] <asac> s/bit/big/ ;)
[11:05] <wgrant> asac: That'll be fixed soon...
[11:06] <pochu> asac: oh I see
[11:13] <asac> the other reason is that we use ppa quite heavily for dailies etc
[11:43]  * Keybuk is starting to think there's a gcc armel bug
[11:43]  * Keybuk got the 150 minutes of inactivity on the exact same source file again
[11:52] <ScottK> Keybuk: About half the KDE packages hit that too.  In our case it turns out that lzma compression takes a LONG time on armel.  NCommander rebuilt some of them by hand and they do eventually finish.  There is some discussion about raising the timeouts.
[11:53] <Keybuk> scottK: this is just gcc compiling a C file
[11:53] <Keybuk> it's only 16,000 lines too
[11:53] <ScottK> OK.  So maybe its slow and bugged then.
[12:05] <ogra> Keybuk, i also dont think its actually the lzma stuff, especially since there is no output at all during these timeouts and there is definately no uncompressing involved at that time in some of the packages
[12:14] <ogra> Keybuk, i'm doing an upstart testbuild locally now ...
[12:15] <Laney> Hrm
[12:15] <Laney> has something happened to the dm_snapshot module in karmic?
[12:15] <Laney> like... it disappearing? "FATAL: Module dm_snapshot not found."
[12:33] <ogra> Keybuk, seems you are right ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/215454/
[12:34] <ogra> though the build goes on afterwards here (using dpkg-buildpackage)
[12:34] <Keybuk> heh
[12:34] <ogra> and rolls a deb :)
[12:35] <ogra> »upstart« in »../upstart_0.6.0-3_armel.deb«.
[12:35] <ogra> :)
[12:38] <Keybuk> the build should continue, it's just the test suite :)
[12:38] <ogra> i dont get why the buildd produces a timeout though
[12:38] <Keybuk> I || true it, but it's useful to have the results in the log
[12:38] <Keybuk> dunno, assumedly nothing reaped gcc's attempt to crash
[12:39] <ogra> its true that it takes a while especially in that test that the former one
[12:39] <ogra> but neither took more than 5 min here and my system is very slow (running off a micro SD card)
[12:39] <ogra> *that test 'and' the former one
[13:03] <jacquesdupontd> hi
[13:15] <jacquesdupontd> i have a question someone is available for me ?
[13:18] <jacquesdupontd> ok i see :)
[13:28] <jacquesdupontd> still nobody awake ?
[13:48] <Ampelbein> jacquesdupontd: just ask, maybe someone knows the answer.
[14:11] <jacquesdupontd> ok the thing is i'm on jaunty and have an old ati 7000 igp card
[14:11] <jacquesdupontd> the opensource drivers are working perfectly except it doesn't have 3d
[14:12] <jacquesdupontd> as you all know i think
[14:12] <jacquesdupontd> i know we are far from the time ati release something for us, but there's patch here and there
[14:12] <jacquesdupontd> may someone know more about this
[14:15] <Ampelbein> bryce: ^^ can you look at jacquesdupontd's comments?
[14:17] <jacquesdupontd> thx Ampelbein
[14:26] <ScottK> jacquesdupontd: There is also an #ubuntu-x channel where you might get a better result.
[14:35] <jacquesdupontd> thx
[14:35] <jacquesdupontd> i go smoke a cig
[14:35] <jacquesdupontd> (i know that's very bad)
[15:32] <ogra> hrm, through upstart not building but having the seed change /sbin/runlevel is missing on armel systems :(
[15:34] <ion> Ouch. ubuntu-minimal probably should have had a versioned dependency.
[15:35] <ogra> yeah
[15:35] <ogra> well
[15:35] <ogra> its no issue for already installed systems
[15:35] <ogra> and i have a selfbuilt package for my freshly bootstrapped ones
[15:35] <ogra> but indeed its an issue
[15:54] <pam> asac: heh :) thanks
[17:34] <jetienne> q. im doing a livecd, compressing squashfs use a significant time at each try, is there a way to avoid this ? like booting on it without this compression
[19:29] <cjwatson> jetienne: mksquashfs has various options to control compression, although you may find the work is dominated more by the I/O time to write out the single big file (which you do have to do, one way or another) than it is by the CPU time of compression; you'd have to experiment to determine that
[19:29] <cjwatson> jetienne: man mksquashfs
[19:51] <jetienne> cjwatson: thanks i will look
[23:00] <Keybuk> I like it when the Upstart test suite finds kernel bugs
[23:36] <legend2440> hi does jaunty support acpi 2.0?
[23:41] <legend2440> is there another channel i should ask in?


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[03:17] <veebers> ah man, mk-build-deps fails for unity8 with this error: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency g++-4.9:native.
[03:18] <veebers> changing native -> armhf works for me right now, but is this a bug in the debian/control or in mk-build-deps
[06:49] <Mirv> mzanetti: can you share the unconfined app you used to test the qtsystems, if I try to test it on wily?
[07:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[07:38] <tsdgeos> ping is a too dangerous word, half of the times i write pig and have to retype before offendign people :D
[07:39] <mzanetti> lol
[07:39] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, no worries... I wouldn't get mad
[07:40] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: does Staged here https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/inputinfo-default/+merge/263969 mean "one stage" on the Nexus4 and "2 stages" on whatever we support the tablet mode?
[07:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yes
[07:41] <tsdgeos> and does it still work on the desktop? i.e. do i get windowed there?
[07:41] <mzanetti> basically it means !Windowed
[07:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, no, one needs to set that to Windowed or Automatic
[07:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, so the reason for this branch is that Autopilot triggers the mouse detection
[07:42] <tsdgeos> yeah i saw the bug
[07:42] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: but then shall this be accompanied by something else so we don't regress on the desktop?
[07:42] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, well, it has been staged so far, only changed to automatic on friday
[07:42] <mzanetti> so far people are used to manually change it to windowed
[07:43] <tsdgeos> hmmm, i've never changed it manually and i get windowed mode on the desktop
[07:43] <tsdgeos> maybe some other package is already changing it to windowed?
[07:43] <mzanetti> oh...
[07:43] <mzanetti> right
[07:43] <mzanetti> so that would still work I guess
[07:43] <tsdgeos> like the unity8-desktop-session or something?
[07:43] <mzanetti> because it's an override
[07:45] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll give it a try
[07:45] <mzanetti> Mirv, http://notyetthere.org/data/untitled5.mzanetti_0.1_all.click
[07:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: shall you link the bug to the MR ?
[07:46] <mzanetti> it's not a fix for the bug actually. because eventually we will have to enable this
[07:46] <mzanetti> rather just a temporary workaround to not break peoples AP test runs
[07:48] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, actually veebers has been looking into this and turns out the call to "Touch.create()" causes this.
[07:48] <mzanetti> so maybe there's only a small property in that code that needs to be changed to make it a touch device (instead of a mouse) for real
[07:48] <tsdgeos> ok, so don't review it for the moment? or do we still to land this nevertheless?
[07:49] <mzanetti> not sure yet
[07:49] <tsdgeos> ok, so let's wait :D
[07:52] <mzanetti> Mirv, if you're using that app, don't look at the label on the screen
[07:52] <mzanetti> Mirv, instead tail -f ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-untitled5.mzanetti.log and see if it says "enabled/disabled" there
[07:52] <mzanetti> I didn't bother to make the app pretty
[08:10] <Mirv> mzanetti: thanks!
[10:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ltinkl: i thought this was "on hold" pending the other AP fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/inputinfo-default/+merge/263969
[10:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yeah... will drop it, now that the issue is about to be fixed in AP
[10:35] <mzanetti> sorry ltinkl :/
[10:35] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, if that's the case, sorry, it hadn't been marked as such
[10:35] <ltinkl> mzanetti, no probs
[10:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/autopilot/dont-use-touchpad-for-touch/+merge/264011
[10:36] <mzanetti> I guess we'll leave it to the AP people to review/land it
[10:36] <tsdgeos> yep saw it
[10:36] <tsdgeos> +1
[14:19] <seb128> where does unity8 store that it already displayed the tutorial/first run demo?
[14:21] <seb128> seems like it's in accountsservice as demoEdges
[14:22] <seb128> not as easy than touching a file to skip it on an iso
[15:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: there?
[15:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, sure
[15:57] <tsdgeos> cimi: i don't understand the question you made on the MR
[15:57] <tsdgeos> " I'm missing where this is needed... maybe you wanted to add this check for the model of the repeater?"
[15:57] <tsdgeos> to which line does that relate?
[15:57] <tsdgeos> to   readonly property var actions: root.widgetData ? root.widgetData["actions"] : null ?
[15:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, if you grep for it, nothing is row.actions iirc
[15:58] <tsdgeos> damnit the email puts suff in the wrong order
[15:58] <tsdgeos> i should have opened the web
[15:58] <tsdgeos> email is
[15:58] <tsdgeos> > +        id: row
[15:58] <tsdgeos> I'm missing where this is needed... maybe you wanted to add this check for the model of the repeater?
[15:58] <tsdgeos> > +        readonly property var actions: root.widgetData ? root.widgetData["actions"] : null
[15:58] <tsdgeos> which made me think it was about id: row :D
[15:58] <cimi> tsdgeos, and since the model of the repeater is root.widgetData["actions"] I thought you planned to do model: row.actions
[15:58] <tsdgeos> sorry ^_^
[15:59] <tsdgeos> cimi: yeah good question i've no idea what i wanted to do with that :D
[15:59] <cimi> tsdgeos, lol
[15:59] <tsdgeos> cimi: i guess i'll do what you said model: row.actions
[16:00] <tsdgeos> and i'll set the sourcesize
[16:01] <tsdgeos> tomorrow though, i'm going to try to find somewhere in the house that is not so hot and try to not melt there :D
[16:01]  * tsdgeos waves
[16:23] <seb128> is anyone looking at making the messaging menu "delete" action use the red icon rather than the old label?
[16:37] <seb128> dednick, there are some approved ubuntu-settings-components merges (and some pending reviews), do you know if anyone is looking at landing those?
[16:37] <seb128> mzanetti, ^
[16:37] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-settings-components-team/ubuntu-settings-components/trunk/+activereviews
[16:38] <mzanetti> seb128, I didn't really have them on screen tbh
[16:38] <dednick> seb128: no, i don't know who is looking after that. mzanetti?
[16:38] <mzanetti> thanks for pointing it out
[16:39] <seb128> yw
[16:39] <mzanetti> ok. added to my list
[16:39] <seb128> thanks
[19:18] <dandrader> tedg, you might be interested in that: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15yq0ziuINo7zLflvcLCuThjY2grftcFMynMcGFLl0uk/edit
[19:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, erm... my krillin's greeter is locked to landscape :)
[19:41] <dandrader> mzanetti, have you been abusing your phone?
[19:46] <mzanetti> dandrader, not really, no
[19:46] <mzanetti> dandrader, just using it normally
[19:46] <mzanetti> I think the last thing I used was telegram
[19:48] <mzanetti> dandrader, anything I can do in terms of information gathering before I restart?
[19:49] <mzanetti> seems the focused app is the dash, according to the logs
[19:49] <dandrader> mzanetti, maybe check for anything interesting in unity8.log. other than that, I don't know
[19:50] <mzanetti> nothin interesting in there...
[19:50] <dandrader> mzanetti, we do have a bug on that already, right?
[19:50] <mzanetti> dandrader, something like this on N7. but I can't be 100% sure it's the same thing
[19:50] <mzanetti> also popey reported this on a krillin today morning
[19:50] <mzanetti> I'll try to repro
[19:51] <mzanetti> hah! found a workaround
[19:51] <mzanetti> launch the settings via indicators, then turn off the screen and on again, it'll rotate
[19:51] <dandrader> mzanetti, thing the only sane next step for debugging this is me prepping a special unity8 version where you can tap somewhere on the screen to have the values of some key properties printed in the log
[19:51] <dandrader> mzanetti,  s/thing/think
[19:52] <mzanetti> dandrader, I can run such a thing, no prob
[19:52] <popey> yeah, i found it happens if the screen times out while you're playing a landscape game
[19:52] <mzanetti> if the area is not preventing me to use it as a phone
[19:52] <mzanetti> popey, you have a way to repro and didn't tell us? :D
[19:53] <popey> i thought i said how in the bug?
[19:53] <mzanetti> but now that you're saying it, seems I had machines-vs-machines open indeed
[19:53] <mzanetti> oh...
[19:53] <mzanetti> lol
[19:54] <popey> changed all my pin numbers so they dont have zeros in :(
[19:54] <mzanetti> haha
[19:54] <mzanetti> popey, saw the workaround ^^
[19:54] <mzanetti> ?
[19:54] <popey> no
[19:54] <mzanetti> launch settings from the indicators, then turn off/on the screen
[19:54] <popey> i cant
[19:54] <popey> indicators are off for me
[19:55] <mzanetti> huh?
[19:55] <popey> on the lock screen
[19:55] <mzanetti> on the greeter?
[19:55] <popey> yeah, i switch them off in settings
[19:55] <mzanetti> oh. I see
[19:57] <mzanetti> popey, can you intentionally reproduce it?
[19:57] <mzanetti> seems I can't
[19:57] <popey> i think you have to let the phone lock itself
[19:57] <popey> not lock it with pwr button
[19:59] <mzanetti> yeah, just tried twice didn't work either
[19:59] <mzanetti> but I did see this issue now twice by now
[20:00] <popey> yeah, i have seen the issue twice but can't reproduce it
[20:01] <mzanetti> maybe it's something weird, that you a) need to let the screen time out in landscape and then b) unlock it in InvertedPortrait or so :D
[20:01] <greyback_> dandrader: don't forget about a tool like Gammaray, allows you to inspect the internals of a qt app
[20:03] <dandrader> never used it
[20:03] <dandrader> greyback_, does it work with QML?
[20:04] <greyback_> dandrader: sure. they're just qobjects under it all
[20:04] <greyback_> I've a reasonably recent build in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~gerboland/+archive/ubuntu/unity-mir
[20:04] <dandrader> greyback_, so you run gammaray on the desktop to inspect some qt process on the device?
[20:05] <mzanetti> greyback_, can it work remote to the phone?
[20:05] <greyback_> dandrader: that is possible yes.
[20:05] <mzanetti> nice
[20:05] <dandrader> greyback_, have you done it?
[20:05] <greyback_> I think so. It was ages ago
[20:05] <greyback_> sadly the full qml integration does not work from device-to-PC
[20:06] <greyback_> but you can still get the tree of qobjects and inspect their state
[20:06] <mzanetti> that should be enough I think
[20:06] <greyback_> it's not too hard to figure which qobject corresponds to what qml
[20:06]  * mzanetti installs
[20:07] <mzanetti> greyback_, are you running wily?
[20:07] <greyback_> mzanetti: no
[20:07] <mzanetti> odd
[20:07] <mzanetti> gammaray : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-2 but it is not installable
[20:09] <greyback_> hmm, will need to bump what's in the ppa
[20:09] <mzanetti> dandrader, anyhow, if you prepare some qml file with a MouseArea that prints stuff I'll run it on my phone and send data your way
[20:09] <greyback_> 32 weeks old. Where does time go
[20:09] <mzanetti> dandrader, if possible, enable it only when the greeter is visible, so I can still use the phone normally otherwise
[20:10] <mzanetti> maybe even just hook it up to the tease() method that passes through Shell.qml
[20:11] <mzanetti> greyback_, indeed :D
[20:11] <mzanetti> I still remember the conversation we had when you uploaded those packages
[20:11] <mzanetti> can't believe that's 32 weeks :D
[20:52] <veebers> mzanetti: available? Your branch errored on a flake8 issue, if you're not I'll branch, fix, push and approve etc.
[20:58] <mzanetti> veebers, fixing
[21:04] <veebers> mzanetti: thx awesome. I'll get the silo wheels turning once it's approved && merged
[21:18] <mzanetti> veebers, hey, having an issue here :/
[21:19] <mzanetti> seems with this change click_object() doesn't work properly any more
[21:35] <veebers> mzanetti: just click_object? or any touch/click/tap etc.
[21:36] <mzanetti> veebers, I was just trying the webbrowser tests and they use click_object() everywhere... the _uinput file has tap_object... but I can't access that from the test
[21:37] <veebers> mzanetti: when you say doesn't work properly that's as in there is no touch event logged?
[21:45] <mzanetti> veebers, it seems it presses but never releases
[21:45] <mzanetti> veebers, sorry, was distracted in another channel
[21:46] <veebers> mzanetti: no worries. That's really odd as you've only changed the touch device, nothing else.  I know there was some input work/fix gone into mir and or unity8 recently
[21:47] <mzanetti> yeah... it does...
[21:48] <mzanetti> veebers, I might have found something
[21:48] <veebers> oh? /me waits on the edge of his seat
[21:51] <mzanetti> veebers, hehe. I think I found it
[21:51] <mzanetti> finger_down() finger_up()
[21:51] <mzanetti> they used BTN_TOOL_FINGER instead of BTN_TOUCH too
[21:52] <mzanetti> replacing all makes it work
[21:52] <veebers> mzanetti: oh no way, ugh what a bug. Good catch
[21:54] <mzanetti> veebers, pushed
[21:54] <veebers> mzanetti: awesome, thanks
[21:55] <mzanetti> veebers, this is actually quite cool. should be easy to create a touchpad/mouse/touchscreen/wacomtablet and whatnot input methods
[21:55] <veebers> mzanetti: I'm tempted to suggest to use _get_touch_tool in the finger_up|down methods, but not sure if it's worth it
[21:56] <mzanetti> I thought about that too
[21:56] <veebers> mzanetti: yeah ^_^
[21:56] <mzanetti> but decided if you want to refactor parts of the code it's probably faster if you do it yourself instead of playing ping-pong with a python noob
[21:57] <mzanetti> oh...
[21:57] <mzanetti> that
[21:57] <mzanetti> I thought about getting rid of that method
[21:57] <mzanetti> I can change the other I guess
[22:00] <mzanetti> veebers, pushed
[22:02] <veebers> mzanetti: that will fail, _get_touch_tool isn't an instance method (no need for self.)
[22:10] <mzanetti> hmm... really.. I did run it tho and it didn't complain
[22:13] <mzanetti> veebers, ok... removed it.. still wondering why it didn't complain before
[22:13] <veebers> mzanetti: not sure, I just tried using it and got the expected error
[22:13] <mzanetti> ok... then I'm doing something wrong
[22:14] <mzanetti> ok... verified. now I'm getting same results at least
[22:15] <veebers> mzanetti: yeah, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-wily-amd64-ci/37/console
[22:17] <veebers> mzanetti: just to bombard you with requests :-) any news on being able to cross build unity8 for vivid-ar,
[22:17] <veebers> err vivid-armhf
[22:18] <mzanetti> veebers, not really. But I've reported a bug pete said he'll look into it
[22:18] <veebers> coolio, thanks mzanetti
[22:34] <veebers> mzanetti: which device where you running your test on?
[22:34] <mzanetti> veebers, mako
[22:34] <veebers> mzanetti: sweet thanks


[00:15] <noah> network manager is having issues with kwallet
[00:17] <valorie> noah: yes, but I'm not sure what the issue is
[00:17] <valorie> I searched the bug reports to find a workaround: http://bugs.kde.org
[00:18] <noah> valorie: sometimes i cannot connect and it sits there.
[00:20] <noah> valorie: what bug is it?
[00:30] <valorie> oh, can't recall
[00:30] <valorie> didn't take long to find though
[00:32] <valorie> the workaround for me was to edit the connection, and select both automatically connect when available AND all users can connect to this network
[00:32] <valorie> the latter is not good because it cuts kwallet out of the loop
[00:32] <valorie> but since kwallet wasn't/isn't working for me
[00:32] <valorie> unavoidable
[00:32] <valorie> until the problem with kwallet is fixed
[01:16] <noah> valorie: this just started happening, even though it had been working before
[01:16] <noah> im getting a No agents were available for this request. error
[01:20] <TrivialGravitas> I just upgraded to 14.04, boot tells me file not found and gives me grub rescue
[01:20] <TrivialGravitas> installed fresh, same thing
[01:21] <TrivialGravitas> When I installed I told it to put the bootloader on sda1, I suspect that's the problem, is there a way to fix that that's faster than reinstalling again?
[02:10] <valorie> TrivialGravitas: sounds like a borked ISO
[02:10] <valorie> did you do an md5sum?
[02:10] <valorie> !md5sum
[02:10] <TrivialGravitas> hmm, no, that's possible
[02:10] <TrivialGravitas> will go run that, thanks
[02:10] <valorie> also, grub repair
[02:11] <valorie> !grub
[02:11] <valorie> I had a thing where the bootloader got installed on the thumbdrive
[02:11] <valorie> THAT was fun
[02:12] <valorie> old bugreports, I wasn't the first
[04:53] <cpyarger> Who can help a guy with integration of Gstreamer into an app in the ubuntu SDK?
[04:53] <cpyarger> I cant figure out why it can't find the qtgstreamer, or or gstreamer libraries
[05:10] <_zxq9_> cpyarger: Never used the ubuntu SDK or gstreamer. Is it just your build environment can't find the headers?
[05:11] <cpyarger> It may be, though the headers are located in /usr/local/include/QtGStreamer
[05:11] <_zxq9_> Try building a stub app from the command line with the includes you think should work.
[05:12] <cpyarger> ok
[05:12] <_zxq9_> Just to check if your environment is screwy, or if its a problem occurring after you've handed off to gcc.
[05:13] <cpyarger> gstreamer.cpp:1:21: fatal error: QGst/Init: No such file or directory
[05:14] <_zxq9_> ooc, which qt?
[05:16] <cpyarger> 5.3.0
[05:16] <_zxq9_> You have libqtgstreamer-dev installed?
[05:16] <cpyarger> yes
[05:16] <_zxq9_> That's what apt-file search QGst/Init shows me...
[05:17] <_zxq9_> paste your stub code somewhere
[05:17] <cpyarger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9765520/
[05:18] <_zxq9_> That's your whole stub?
[05:18] <cpyarger> yea
[05:19] <cpyarger> Figured, That less is better in this case.
[05:21] <cpyarger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9765538/
[05:22] <cpyarger> if I switch it to #include <QtGStreamer/QGst/Init>
[05:22] <cpyarger> That is my output
[05:30] <cpyarger> _zxq9_: https://github.com/cpyarger/kast is the latest code I am working on, prepending QtGStreamer/ seemed to have partially worked
[05:39] <_zxq9_> cpyarger: Its just missing lib includes. This is some of what qmake will generate from a .pro file that includes QtGstreamer:
[05:39] <_zxq9_> cpyarger: g++ -Wall -fPIC -I/usr/include/QtGStreamer -I/usr/include/qt5 gstreamtest.cpp
[05:41] <cpyarger> Thanks
[05:41] <_zxq9_> But your question is with the Ubuntu SDK... and I don't have an answser for that, since the only IDE I ever mess with is QtCreator (and only with Qt/C++, which I rarely use).
[05:41] <cpyarger> umm, The ubuntu-sdk is essentially qt-creator
[05:42] <_zxq9_> Oh, didn't know that.
[05:42] <_zxq9_> I'm not exactly familiar with ubuntu, either (just overwhelmingly prefer KDE, so its Kubuntu and Gentoo instead of Windows or Mac for me)
[05:43] <cpyarger> I recently switched to kubuntu over ubuntu, I tend to find it a less frusterating experience all around
[05:44] <cpyarger> I never was much of a fan of unity
[05:46] <_zxq9_> Same here. I'm not particularly fond of a lot of the other things going on within Ubuntu, either, but in the end this is a tool, and kubuntu is the easiest match of solid desktop and generally hassle-less maintenance for non-geeks.
[05:46] <cpyarger> Agreed
[05:46] <_zxq9_> At least for now. We'll see how long that lasts.
[05:46] <cpyarger> sad, but true
[05:47] <_zxq9_> I still prefer Gentoo, but for building a stable roll to fit some particular purpose. It is just more annoying to make radical adjustments to it frequently than in a fully prepackaged distro like this.
[05:48] <_zxq9_> And, Ubuntu LTS is the sweet spot of sorta-new-libs-but-doesn't-eat-babies-like-Fedora
[05:48] <cpyarger> *blinks* Agreed
[05:50] <_zxq9_> Anyway, hopefully you find a slick way to get your IDE to do conjure up the right include paths for you.  AHH!).
[05:51] <_zxq9_> That's how I feel every time I port something to, say, OS X
[05:53] <cpyarger> lol, Thanks, at least I am not dealing with any / vs \ errors
[05:55] <_zxq9_> Or that friggin \r\n vs \r vs \n thing or...    I just installed 14.04 with unetbootin and I get some kind of touch pad desktop instead of the one with the kickoff launcher\
[07:14] <valorie> why ask if you won't stick around for the answer?
[08:39] <_zxq9_> valorie: The fleeting scourge of IRC. Even more fun when you have entry/exit messages muted...
[09:04] <darkvi0l3t> can anyone help me with a dual monitor issue?
[09:11] <darkvi0l3t> hi
[09:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:50] <Vimar> Hi Pals
[15:52] <Riddell> hi Vimar!
[15:53] <lordievader> o/
[15:56] <Vimar> Hi Riddell
[15:56] <Vimar> Has anybody solve a problem with adding aditional input method...? I wanted add additional language next to English, but when I choose desired  Language and try to ADD IT, the language appears for miniseconds in Input methods ind IBus preferences and dissapers not listed in my input  methods.The only option for changing keyboard is "setxkbmap" in console.
[16:00] <lordievader> Vimar: はい　:)
[16:00] <lordievader> I had to add a few variables before applications would accept Ibus input.
[16:02] <vimar> Has anybody solve a problem with adding aditional input method...? I wanted add additional language next to English, but when I choose desired  Language and try to ADD IT, the language appears for miniseconds in Input methods ind IBus preferences and dissapers not listed in my input  methods.The only option for changing keyboard is "setxkbmap" in console.
[16:02] <vimar> I mean in XFCE :-)
[16:03] <lordievader> vimar: This is Kubuntu, for XFCE question you should be in #xubuntu.
[16:05] <vimar> lordievader: I use Kubuntu with XFCE also :-)
[16:05] <lordievader> vimar: Using XFCE makes it Xubuntu, effectively.
[16:05] <vimar> But thanks, I will go there, sorry for hurting your feelings LOL
[16:05] <lordievader> vimar: You didn't.
[16:06] <vimar> no it makes it KXubuntu precisely :-)
[16:07] <vimar> anyway some people here could meet the problem too, lets not be so hyperactive :-)
[16:08] <lordievader> vimar: I'm not... Never had any problems here adding other languages though.
[16:13] <vimar> lordievader: so it seems like isolated bug.
[16:15] <lordievader> vimar: I'm not entirely sure what the bug is, your explanation is a bit vague.
[19:34] <sudha> Hi! I was trying to build kholidays on kde 4.14 when this happened: http://pastebin.com/RGXtpkXa . I was sugggested to install kitemviews for kf5 as a distro. Can someone help out on how to do it ? :)
[20:49] <cpyarger> A framework for bash scripting -- http://git.io/DV5eow
[21:14] <JunkHunk> hello I got two errors in a kubuntu 14.04 install: the first one is because I installed AWN for saucy and after removing it something is still making the system to look for it:http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=82502 and the second one is about a graphic element wich started to behave buggy after adding printer tasks manager to system tray  would anybody know how to fix these errors?
[21:14] <JunkHunk> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=82503
[21:16] <valorie> yowza
[21:17] <valorie> not sure anybody is still working on old plasma, but you can ask in #plasma
[21:38] <JunkHunk> valorie old plasma?
[21:38] <JunkHunk> whats hot then?=
[21:39] <valorie> plasma 5
[21:39] <valorie> which I've been running for a few months
[21:39] <valorie> it's almost there
[21:39] <valorie> still some missing widgets and stuff though
[21:39] <JunkHunk> it must be cool
[21:40] <valorie> I love the new look
[21:40] <valorie> 15.04 will be plasma 5
[21:40] <valorie> although I'm still running 14.10
[21:40] <JunkHunk> oh I jump from lts to lts
[21:41] <JunkHunk> thats why I am still using the old
[21:41] <JunkHunk> 14.04
[21:41] <JunkHunk> I like it
[21:41] <JunkHunk> I find it more comfortable to use than gnome or unity
[21:41] <soee> JunkHunk: 5.2beta https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/UDVK6jUhhLX :)
[21:42] <JunkHunk> though I am trying to get rid of panels
[21:42] <JunkHunk> I like the mac look I get with docky
[21:50] <JunkHunk> I cant find anything related to AWN in session manager...I myself removed it from the system...but any time I login it warns me it is gone
[22:10] <JunkHunk> hey fix them I fix them by re-ticking the device manager box I think the warning was due to the repositories still on the sources list I ll check on boot
[22:10] <JunkHunk> thanks bye


[18:57] <abhijeet> had anyone tried the unity on ubuntu 10.10
[20:48] <jon8_> if i do 'sudo service gdm stop' .. it stops gnome. how can i easily stop gnome from booting on startup.
[23:24] <micahg> bratsche: I just realized, we should have a requirement in debian/control for gtk-sharp2 for gnome-do, is it a build time dependency, a run time dependency, or both?
[23:28] <bratsche> micahg: I think it's both.
[23:29] <bratsche> Do you have time to add that, or do you want me to?
[23:29] <micahg> bratsche: I can add that if you want, up to you
[23:29] <bratsche> I'm actually not entirely sure how to do it off the top of my head. :)
[23:30] <micahg> bratsche: I have to see, at least a versioned build-depends
[23:48] <RAOF> micahg: It's a build-time dependency, and if the tools are working correctly it should get a correct runtime dependency.
[23:48] <micahg> RAOF: that's what I'm hoping for :)
[23:48] <RAOF> If the tools *aren't* working correctly, tell me; I've hacked on them before.
[23:49] <bratsche> Awesome
[23:49] <RAOF> bratsche: Thanks for the patch, incidentally.
[23:51] <bryceh> RAOF, heya
[23:51] <micahg> RAOF: can you review gtk-sharp2?
[23:52] <RAOF> bryceh: Good morning :)
[23:52] <bryceh> RAOF, quick question...  how do things stand for mesa 7.10 upload to natty?  If it just needs uploading I can take care of that on my morning tomorrow
[23:52] <RAOF> micahg: While mesa builds? :)  Want to point me at it.
[23:53] <micahg> RAOF: https://code.launchpad.net/~bratsche/ubuntu/natty/gtk-sharp2/has-resize-grip/+merge/46300, thanks
[23:53] <RAOF> bryceh: I (think) I've just got it building properly.  It should be ready for you tomorrow.
[23:53] <bryceh> RAOF, excellent
[23:53] <RAOF> mklib remains a thing of sorrow.
[23:55] <bratsche> Thanks RAOF!
[23:56] <bratsche> I hope I'm mostly done with these resize grip issues now. :)
[23:56] <bratsche> So much gtk and webkit work to do for multitouch.
[23:56] <RAOF> I was thinking of picking up a mt touchpad like the apple thingy when we were in Frys.  It'd be fun to play with what you come up with :)
[23:57] <bratsche> That's a good device to get.
[23:57]  * micahg is noticing that new customized laptops offer the option of multitouch
[23:57] <bryceh> RAOF, btw I found mention of a nouveau tool for debugging gpu hangs on nouveau... see tail end of bug #696104 for links
[23:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696104 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "nvidia 320m locks up" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696104
[23:57] <bratsche> It's cheap, and it delivers a high sample rate of events.
[23:57] <bratsche> I have a Dell XT2 with a touchscreen, but the events just aren't delivered nearly as smoothly.
[23:57] <bryceh> RAOF, looks like we'd need to do some packaging/documenting to make it newb-friendly enough though
[23:58] <RAOF> bryceh: Interesting.  Could that even be apported?