[06:28] <mborzecki> morning
[07:34] <mup> PR snapd#9812 closed: packaging/deb, tests/main/lxd-postrm-purge: fix purge inside containers <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9812>
[07:45] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[07:46] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[08:11] <pstolowski> hello!
[08:20] <pstolowski> welcome back everyone
[08:20] <zyga> hello pawel!
[08:21] <zyga> how was your holiday break?
[08:32] <pstolowski> zyga: hi! was awesome, very relaxing
[08:32] <pstolowski> how about you?
[08:33] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:33] <pstolowski> hey mborzecki !
[08:34] <zyga> pstolowski my break was shorter but we made it very active
[08:34] <zyga> pstolowski lots of time spent outdoors
[08:36] <pstolowski> sounds awesome
[08:40] <mvo> good morning pstolowski ! nice to have you back. hope you had a great break
[08:40] <mvo> zyga: good morning, so nice to see you too :)
[08:55] <mup> PR snapd#9776 closed: gadget: add validation for "$kernel:ref" style content <Skip spread> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9776>
[08:55] <mup> PR snapd#9809 closed: snap: skip help output tests for go-flags v1.4.0 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9809>
[09:00] <mup> PR snapd#9804 closed: interfaces/opengl: allow RPi MMAL video decoding <Needs security review> <Created by ogra1> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9804>
[09:07]  * ogra hugs mvo
[09:13]  * mvo hugs ogra
[09:14]  * ogra is on his way to replace his libreelec installs with UC20 and https://snapcraft.io/kodi-pi-standalone ... thats a big step towards it
[10:04] <mborzecki> mvo: can you cherry pick https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9812 to 2.48 in case we do a point release?
[10:04] <mup> PR #9812: packaging/deb, tests/main/lxd-postrm-purge: fix purge inside containers <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9812>
[10:05] <mvo> mborzecki: let me have a look
[10:15] <mup> PR snapd#9778 closed: asserts/repair.go: add "bases" and "modes" support to the repair assertion <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9778>
[10:37] <mvo> pedronis: I updated 9777 (just fyi, no real rush at this point)
[10:43] <pedronis> mvo: now I can request myself as reviewer again (mystery), I just queued it
[10:43] <mvo> pedronis: nice
[10:43] <mvo> pedronis: and yes, mystery!
[12:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#3401 closed: ci: uprev pyinstaller and switch timestamp server <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3401>
[12:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#3385 closed: yaml_utils: promote module to a package <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3385>
[14:27] <zyga> mvo, hey there
[14:28] <mvo> zyga: hey, how are you?
[14:28] <zyga> mvo, we're sorting out project planning in the team but I wanted to drop you a link for something that's coming up this sprint (2 weeks)
[14:28] <zyga> https://git.ostc-eu.org/planning/testing/-/issues/2
[14:28] <zyga> I will work on an OSTC fork but I will also upstream things
[14:29] <zyga> ostc is the open source thing I'm participating in
[14:29] <zyga> cachio, ^ FYI
[14:30] <zyga> cachio, where is your fork/branch of spread btw?
[14:30] <zyga> is it just your fork or did you rename it by any chance
[14:32] <cachio> zyga, hey
[14:33] <cachio> how are you?
[14:33] <zyga> cachio, hola, como estas
[14:33] <cachio> this is the fork https://github.com/sergiocazzolato/spread/tree/master2
[14:33] <cachio> muy bien :)
[14:33] <zyga> ah, great, your github fork
[14:33] <cachio> yes
[14:33] <zyga> I wanted to keep you in the loop of spread patches I'm planning, if any of those would be useful to you or would be relevant to include you in the design phase
[14:34] <cachio> zyga, yes
[14:34] <cachio> nice
[14:34] <cachio> thanks
[14:34] <cachio> just ping me if you need anything
[14:35] <zyga> cachio, I was thinking that if spread did support booting, at least on qemu, with a specific system image, it might be useful to organize core tests to support that, e.g. take <this> image, that's already prepared by a separate stage and just boot it to run tests
[14:35] <zyga> for us it will be the image produced in the previous stage in the pipeline
[14:36] <zyga> (and our images are small so passing them from one step to the next is not hard)
[14:36] <zyga> the ultimate goal will be to take an arm image and run it via spread muxpi backend
[14:36] <zyga> cachio, right now any feedback on the yaml example there is great
[14:37] <zyga> I don't see any of those as final, that will come when I try to upstream it
[14:37] <zyga> that's why I want to have a separate fork, to have unrelated timelines for downstream and upstream work
[14:37] <cachio> zyga, that feature makes sense for qemu
[14:38] <cachio> so far the qemu backend has many restrictions
[14:38] <cachio> which should be addressed
[14:38] <cachio> I'll take a look to the yaml
[14:44] <zyga> cachio, thanks, I'm happy to talk if you want to tweak it at this stage, I'll pick it up tomorrow
[14:44] <mvo> zyga: nice
[14:44] <zyga> cachio, (not sure if URL is final) https://git.ostc-eu.org/planning/testing/-/boards
[14:45] <mvo> zyga: I like this
[14:46] <zyga> mvo, hehe, that's just me doing my usual convincing to use what's in the forge already, and not to use exteral systems
[14:46] <zyga> too bad free gitlab is so limited, paid versions have really nice features
[14:47] <cachio> zyga, thanks for sharing
[14:49] <cachio> zyga, I think the image flag could be usefull also for other backends
[14:49] <zyga> cachio, right, it doesn't have to be local image
[14:49] <cachio> so it is not needed to update the image in the spread.yaml in case you need to test a test image in gce for example
[14:49] <zyga> not sure how the google api looks like but it's plausible to build an image that's compatible in one phase, upload it to google in another and then use that image in the third phase
[14:49] <zyga> yeah
[14:50] <zyga> I think the bigger new item is the syntax for paramteres, the definition side is I think okay but the use side is confusing
[14:50] <zyga> or at least non-obvious
[14:50] <zyga> perhaps it should just be string interpolation with ${image} or $image or something like that
[14:51] <zyga> I'll sleep on this, it's not something I'm convinced about yet
[14:52] <cachio> zyga, agree
[14:52] <cachio> need to think which is the best way to implement that
[14:56]  * cachio afk
[14:56] <zyga> cachio, if we want to use parameters "anywhere" it may be hard, as it implies that the yaml parser needs to somehow understand that
[14:56] <zyga> cachio, ok, let's chat later
[14:57] <cachio> zyga, thanks
[14:57] <cachio> I'll be back in 20
[15:08] <zyga> mvo, offtopic, we've set up mattermost IRC bridge lately and it works fairly well
[15:09] <zyga> I'm mentioning this because it lets people use (arguably) more comfortable mattermost while still being visible on IRC
[15:09] <zyga> it's per channel obviously
[15:15] <ijohnson> zyga, is that another server that you have to run, or is it like just a plugin that is enabled server side ?
[15:16] <zyga> ijohnson, it's a self-hosted service that runs but I honestly don't know the details as my colleague deployed it yesterday
[15:16] <zyga> it was generally easy with the exception of some confusing instructions early on during credentials management
[15:16] <zyga> ijohnson, it's live in #ostc if you want to look
[15:17] <ijohnson> zyga: ah I see, yeah I meant to set something like that up for myself to use only mattermost for this IRC channel, but I never got around to it yet
[15:17] <ijohnson> also happy new year zyga!
[15:17] <zyga> ijohnson, happy new year :)
[15:20] <ijohnson> :-)
[15:57] <mbeierl> can a devmode snap (ie: microstack) be updated, or do I need to remove it and lose everything in microstack and reinstall to get the latest version?
[15:58] <ijohnson> you can manually refresh devmode snaps
[15:58] <mbeierl> perfect, thanks ijohnson
[16:35] <ijohnson> pedronis: I reviewed #9803
[16:35] <mup> PR #9803: many: clarify gadget role-usage consistency checks for UC16/18 vs UC20 <Cleanup :broom:> <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9803>
[16:37] <pedronis> ijohnson: thx, I'll work on the feedback in my morning
[16:37] <ijohnson> the feedback is pretty minimal fine for a followup if you prefer
[16:43] <pedronis> ijohnson: about supporting multi-volume setups, they would pass the checks but we still don't support gadget updates with them atm
[16:44] <ijohnson> but you could still build an image with a multi-volume gadget and not do gadget updates though right ?
[16:44] <pedronis> yes
[16:45] <ijohnson> admittedly, I didn't try to do so with your branch so perhaps there are other things missing in the stack that prevent using multi-volumes, but having just a unit test about validating a multiple volume gadget with all the ubuntu-* roles on a single volume seems useful to me
[17:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#3402 opened: cli: add missing quote key creation hint <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3402>
[17:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3403 opened: storeapi: remove unused MissingSnapdError <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3403>
[18:25]  * cachio afk
[20:38] <mup> PR snapd#9815 opened: {,sec}boot: pass "key-name" to the FDE hooks <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9815>
[21:03] <mup> PR snapd#9816 opened: interfaces, wrappers: misc comment fixes, etc <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9816>
[22:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#3404 opened: build(deps): bump lxml from 4.5.0 to 4.6.2 <dependencies> <python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3404>


[03:16] <KillerOrca> did anyone who updated over the network have their xubuntu install become a ubuntu one?
[03:17] <favro> that doesn't sound good - at login is there an option to use a xfce session?
[03:19] <KillerOrca> yeah, but it didn't do anything when I tried it once
[03:19] <KillerOrca> yeah, but it didn't do anything when I tried it once
[03:19] <favro> so you tried it twice?
[03:19] <KillerOrca> sorry if double not sure on the channel
[03:20] <KillerOrca> no, when I did the restart I updated agian, logged out and selected it, but it defaulted to gnome
[03:22] <KillerOrca> all my settings seem to be the same from what I can tell
[03:22] <favro> try in a terminal   dpkg -l | grep xubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <KillerOrca> it gives back this: ii  xubuntu-desktop                            2.66                                                 Xubuntu desktop system
[03:24] <favro> so it wasn't removed then - that's a start
[03:25] <KillerOrca> I had it set to autologin into xfce before the update, and it still auto-logs-in so maybe that is part of it
[03:26] <favro> yep that could be it - you can change that from gnome
[03:27] <KillerOrca> I still want to auto-login though, andd where do I change that?
[03:27] <favro> I haven't used gnome in ages - somewhere like system login manager but that's a wild guess
[03:28] <KillerOrca> I'll look into that, thx
[03:29] <KillerOrca> also do you have any experience with dd-wrt routers?
[03:29] <favro> nope - I don't sorry
[03:31] <KillerOrca> have you ever used ushare, or know how to add programs to start-up?
[03:32] <favro> in xfce it is applications-settings-settings manager - startup
[03:33] <KillerOrca> k thanks, going to try some stuff now
[06:08] <nonie> hello guys, i am having problems with my firefox on my xubuntu 8.04
[06:08] <nonie> when i play youtube files, video motion is very slow.
[06:08] <nonie> any suggestions
[06:09] <nonie> when i run it with windows explorer from a standard windows xp machine, video is running fine.
[06:09] <nonie> is there anything to tweak with firefox
[06:10] <favro> is it buffering alot?
[06:12] <nonie> its like its in slow motion
[06:13] <nonie> strange my ram is 1gig
[06:13] <nonie> and running with p4 running xp before.
[06:13] <favro> it might be the app you use to view shockwave flash - which did you install?
[06:14] <nonie> hold on
[06:14] <favro> !gnash
[06:14] <nonie> is it in the synaptics
[06:16] <nonie> i just installed the flash player under the synaptic
[06:16] <favro> !info gnash
[06:17] <nonie> found it i will install it now
[06:26] <nonie> still slow.... any mor suggestions?
[06:27] <nonie> the display is adobe flash 9, does the 8.04 already uses adobe flash 9 plugin
[06:30] <favro> I think flash is proprietry - so no - there is a flash 10
[06:30] <favro> but it seems the issue is with something else as flash9 should work ok
[06:31] <favro> !flash
[06:32] <nonie> ok tnx 4 the tip
[06:32] <favro> slow vid makes me think the cpu or mem is maxed out
[06:40] <nonie> btw where can i find the xubuntu 8.04 repositories because from this was online upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04
[06:40] <nonie> it seems the source repositories for 8.04 was not included
[06:43] <favro> in /etc/apt/sources.list change gutsy to hardy on all uncommented lines
[06:44] <nonie> ok
[06:47] <nonie> tnx a lot
[06:47] <XFCEntral> nonie: ive got something you can try, for your youtube/flash problem
[06:48] <nonie> please i needed that
[06:49] <XFCEntral> do you have a youtube video up right now? if not, go to one in your browser
[06:49] <nonie> ok, then.
[06:51] <nonie> wats next
[06:51] <XFCEntral> right click the video area
[06:51] <XFCEntral> choose "Settings"
[06:51] <nonie> ok
[06:52] <XFCEntral> when you see it, uncheck the box that should say "Hardware Acceleration"
[06:52] <XFCEntral> try playing the video again
[06:52] <nonie> tried it still having the same problem.
[06:53] <XFCEntral> :/ ive read that made a difference for some with flash/youtube difficulties.
[06:53] <XFCEntral> had to try!
[06:54] <nonie> there has to be something else bugging my system.
[06:54] <nonie> strange...
[06:55] <XFCEntral> sorry i couldnt help :/
[06:55] <nonie> no problem... we tried anyways./
[06:57] <favro> still think it is h/ware - wrong xorg maybe
[06:57] <nonie> this is the one i am watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4a1z7NLnNk
[06:58] <XFCEntral> thanks--it plays smooth in firefox for me
[07:00] <nonie> ill keep on trying
[07:00] <favro> seems ok here - what are your cpu/mem stats while trying to watch?
[07:00] <nonie> tnx a lot guys be back later to test again.
[07:01] <XFCEntral> favro: mine is hovering between 80-100%
[07:01] <favro> mine was <10
[07:02] <XFCEntral> i often have that problem with my CPU maxing out with Flash, and can close my browser but the problem persists. only when i kill "npviewer.bin" does it go back down to 10-20%
[07:03] <favro> ahh I pause it to make sure it is buffered with enough vid before playing
[07:03] <favro> only takes 5 or so secs
[07:04] <XFCEntral> the whole video has loaded already hmm
[07:04] <XFCEntral> playback still puts me at ~100%
[07:40] <nonie> im back guys
[07:41] <nonie> it maybe just my pc acting up , ill just check it again sometime
[08:26] <nonie> does the ubuntu 8.04 has wubi installer and has anyone tried wubi in a vista laptop?
[08:26] <nonie> i mean the live cd of ubuntu 8.04
[08:59] <favro> !wubi
[08:59] <nonie> tnx
[09:00] <favro> I didn't know what was in the link...
[09:49] <wormsxulla_> hello. is there a way to force an application window to open at a given size?
[09:52] <zoredache> wormsxulla_: you could use devilspie
[09:52] <wormsxulla_> that's in synaptic?
[09:52]  * wormsxulla_ looks
[09:54] <wormsxulla_> yes, i found it. thanks, zoredache
[09:59] <wormsxulla_> i feel such a n00b. it got installed, but i'm not finding it in any Applications menu
[10:02] <TheSheep> wormsxulla_: there is a description here: http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
[10:02] <TheSheep> and a link to tutorial
[10:03] <wormsxulla_> i found the readme too, thank you
[10:05] <mnemoc> hi, any idea why I have lost (on every machine) the switch-user, suspend and hibernate icons on xubuntu+2 on yesterday's update?
[11:20] <nikolam> Hi
[11:20] <nikolam> I have problems with Writing files to Ubuntu-formated UDF CDRW
[11:20] <nikolam> I saved files to the disk but after re-inserting it, it cannot be mounted
[11:20] <nikolam> and to see data on disk
[11:21] <nikolam> space is allocated but data could not re read from cdrw
[11:21] <TheSheep> UDF? is that some apple thingy?
[11:22] <nikolam> UDF file system. Read-write packet writing for optical media
[11:22] <nikolam> I can write to it. But after re-mount, is cannot be read from disk
[11:23] <nikolam> also it cannot be ejected after umounting of udf cdrw
[11:24] <nikolam> i must use eject command to eject disk
[11:49] <mrbichel> Hello, I mannaged to get my macbook pro to type special chars as (at) and dollar etc. however on xubuntu I can't find the place to configure a key to enable those.
[11:50] <mrbichel> under keyboard there is the hotkeys menu but that seems to be for applications only.
[11:51] <mrbichel> have anyone tried this, and can you guide me in the right direction?
[11:54] <TheSheep> you can usually type @ by pressing and holding down the shift key (sometimes also marked as a wide up-arrow) and then pressing 2
[11:54] <TheSheep> at least with the us keyboard layout
[11:57] <mrbichel> nope that is " on my keyboard
[11:57] <mrbichel> I have all the secondary functions with shift: !"#¤%&/()=? ...
[11:57] <TheSheep> what layout is that?
[11:57] <mrbichel> but I miss the tertiary functions, (at) is terdiary
[11:57] <mrbichel> MAC DK
[11:58]  * TheSheep has no ideas about dutch keyboards
[11:59] <mrbichel> Danish that is - but it should be similar to most others except for a few extra chars æ ø å but they are primary and located along with the rest of the A - Z letters.
[12:02] <TheSheep> I use right alt key (labelled Alt Gr) to get the polish letters like ąęść etc.
[12:02] <TheSheep> no idea how that key is labelled on macbook
[12:02] <TheSheep> probably apple
[12:03] <mrbichel> yeah and it's the Alt Gr kind of key im missing - on macbook it's the apple key (has an apple on it) - right now it does nothing but I want it to handle the tertiary functions
[12:03] <TheSheep> mrbichel: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and setting your keyboard there
[12:04] <mrbichel> on ubuntu gnome there was a function to assign a key to tertiary functions - but I can't find the same kind of setting now
[12:07] <mrbichel> will that reset a bunch of other settings too?
[12:07] <TheSheep> if you don't change them, then it shouldn't
[12:07] <TheSheep> I mean the defaults are set to the current settings
[12:15] <mrbichel> TheSheep: I tried that, but didn't change anything.
[12:15] <TheSheep> :/
[12:18] <mrbichel> do you have any idea of a good place to search?
[12:22] <TheSheep> google, forums, maybe bugs
[12:23] <mrbichel> yeah, thanks for your effort!
[13:38] <nikolam> i have few things
[13:38] <nikolam> i finaly made udf disk out of cdrw
[13:38] <nikolam> mounted it using this way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=129093
[13:39] <nikolam> so 1. How do I make that files that are written on udfcdrw can be also writable for other users?
[13:40] <nikolam> every file i write to udf disc is by default read-only to other users, no matter what i set with chmod on mounted volume
[13:41] <nikolam> 2. How do i desable making of .Trash* directory when deleting files on udf cdrw?
[13:42] <nikolam> and 3. Why a hack files are not written to udf cdrw when i copy/paste files?
[13:42] <knome> 2. shift+del
[13:43] <nikolam> It seems like they are written but after remounting udf cdrw, they are gone!
[13:43] <nikolam> but it seems that they occupy free space!
[13:44] <nikolam> ok, now, .Trash-1001 dir is fone by itself
[13:44] <nikolam> and the files "written"
[13:45] <nikolam> does anyone in the World is trying to use Udf under linux for cdrw and dvd+rw....
[13:46] <nikolam> now when i do sudo ls -la /media/cdrom1 i get ??????????  ? ?    ?         ?                ? .Trash-1001
[13:47] <nikolam> listed
[13:47] <nikolam> ...
[13:49] <knome> nikolam, maybe ask vidd :P
[13:49] <nikolam> vihm, who is vidd?
[13:49] <knome> vidd = vidd
[13:50] <nikolam> hi vidd
[13:50] <nikolam> what is going on with udf on Ubuntu?
[13:51] <squirrelpimp> hi
[13:52] <nikolam> hi
[13:52] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to have a hook for my bash-shell which is executed whenever i enter a directory
[13:52] <squirrelpimp> so that i can have .info files in my directories with notes-to-self and have them displayed whenever i enter the directory
[13:55] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: try installing devtodo
[13:55] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: and reading its help
[13:55] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: thx...
[13:55] <squirrelpimp> i might even have heard that name before
[14:00] <squirrelpimp> won't that affect scripts that use cd?
[14:08] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: that's why it's not trivial
[14:09] <squirrelpimp> what do you mean? i could install it or not
[14:09] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:09] <TheSheep> just installing it won't do anything to cd
[14:10] <TheSheep> you must read its documentation for a description how to do it
[14:10] <squirrelpimp> yes, i read that... and it describes what i came up with my self: replace cd with a custom function/alias. However then each script will see that new cd-command, right?
[14:11] <squirrelpimp> or is there more docs available than on its website?
[14:12] <TheSheep> squirrelpimp: there is a way to check in the script whether it's invoked from another script or terminal, if I remember correctly
[14:13] <TheSheep> besides, scripts houldn't use cd :)
[14:17] <squirrelpimp> yes, that of course, but you never know
[14:17] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:18] <squirrelpimp> thanks, i'll have a look at it
[14:18] <nikolam> Hey, did you know that Linux supposed to be named "Freax" :) http://linux-bangalore.org/blug/articles/bday.php
[16:24] <tiberius0101> Hi - how to remove the progress bar including xubuntu logo, which comes before the login screen
[16:24] <tiberius0101> I want to replace both with a solid black screen
[16:39] <nikolam> tiberius: use gdmsetup
[16:39] <nikolam> tiberius0101, gdmsetup
[16:39] <nikolam> (login window) in setting
[16:39] <nikolam> hmm. or not
[16:40] <tiberius0101> nikoalm: I will check that...cheers
[16:41] <nikolam> tiberius0101, use startup manager
[16:41] <nikolam> package xubuntu-artwork-usplash is one that includes that picture
[16:41] <vidd> tiberius0101, sudo update-settings --config usplash-artwork.so
[16:42] <nikolam> tiberius0101, search in synaptic for usplash
[16:43] <vidd> tiberius0101, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-[your kernel image version number]
[16:43] <vidd> you will, of course need to add your blank image to /usr/lib/usplash
[16:43] <vidd> =]
[16:44] <vidd> you might also try simply deleteing or removing the files in that folder
[16:44] <tiberius0101> thanks...I will check that - so long, cheers
[17:05] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[17:08] <vidd> herm....dapper....
[17:09] <vidd> and edgy....
[17:09] <vidd> kinda outdated....
[17:09] <nikolam> yes.. yes..
[17:09] <nikolam> anyway, i wanted to see in what format is that .so file
[17:36] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know how to adjust brightness and contrast in VLC media player?
[17:36] <spasticteapot> I go to I go settings-> video -> filter adjust, but nothing happens.
[17:38] <TheSheep> I think you need to enable the filter
[17:38] <spasticteapot> Oh.
[17:39] <spasticteapot> I did.
[19:21] <lintel> I just installed XU intrepid and the NetworkManager disappeared from the panel. Any ideas how to get it back?
[19:21] <vinnl> lintel, press Alt+F2 and run "nm-applet"
[19:23] <lintel> vinnl, nothing
[19:24] <vinnl> lintel, OK, how about ""killall nm-applet && nm-applet"
[19:25] <TheSheep> how about trying it in terminal and looking at the error message?
[19:25] <vinnl> Or that ^.^
[19:26] <mnemoc> *G*
[19:28] <vidd> anyone know a *simple* way to set up thundaerbird to read /var/mail?
[19:30] <lintel> ** (nm-applet:5802): WARNING **: No connections defined <= but I can't see it!!!
[19:32] <TheSheep> lintel: did you remove the system notification area from your panel?
[19:32] <lintel> TheSheep, nope
[19:32] <TheSheep> lintel: if so, then right-click on the panel, select "add item" and then add it back
[19:32] <lintel> Pidgin is still alive here
[19:32] <TheSheep> I see
[19:33] <vidd> lintel, please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[19:33] <vidd> !pastebin
[19:36] <lintel> auto lo * iface lo inet loopback * auto eth0 * iface eth0 inet dhcp
[19:37] <vidd> and can you ping your gateway?
[19:37] <lintel> vidd, I am connected via eth0
[19:37] <lintel> vidd, just no gui
[19:38] <vidd> so when you typed "ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" you get replies?
[19:38] <vidd> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx would be the ip address of your gateway
[19:39] <lintel> vidd, no reaction in terminal
[19:39] <vidd> ok....so you are NOT connected via eth0
[19:40] <lintel> vidd, how would I chat here?
[19:40] <vidd> [ctrl]+[c] to cancel it....
[19:40] <vidd> if you cant ping your gateway, the IDK
[19:41] <vidd> please pastebin the output of "ifconfig"
[19:41] <vidd> and PLEASE use pastebin
[19:43] <lintel> vidd, sorry, but I have to leave, my wife wants my attention now ;) its SAT nite here -- thanks 4 now!
[20:11] <vidd> sweet....i figured out how to *easily* set up thunderbird to read /var/mail
[20:13] <vinnl> Add it to the wiki ;-)
[20:13] <vidd> IDK how
[20:13] <vidd> and i dont think i have rights
[20:13] <vinnl> Go to wiki.ubuntu.com, use your Launchpad account to log in, and browse to a page
[20:13] <vinnl> Then you can create the new page if it doesn't exist yet
[21:35] <awsoonn> hi all, how can I start a vnc server?
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> !vcn | awsoonn
[21:36] <zoredache> !x11vnc
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> !vnc | awsoonn
[21:37] <awsoonn> thanks Odd-rationale
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> np
[21:39] <awsoonn> in xubuntu, is there a way to scale everything on the screen?? Everything is pretty big, I woudl like to scalle everything by .75
[21:40] <zoredache> are you at the largest screen resolution that your display/graphics adapter supports?
[21:41] <zoredache> change that if you can
[21:41] <awsoonn> well, I would like to say that I am, but I don't know that for 100%
[21:41] <awsoonn> it's a 'new' machine that I just poped xubuntu on.
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: pastebin the output of xrandr
[21:42] <awsoonn> ohh, that's a nice program...
[21:42] <awsoonn> http://pastebin.com/m38cb9828
[21:42] <awsoonn> so, apparently I am not.
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> ok try: xrandr -s 1600x1200
[21:44] <awsoonn> that is interesting
[21:44] <awsoonn> :)
[21:45] <awsoonn> I wish you could see what I see, I'm most certianly runnign at that resolution now.
[21:46] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: does it seem like the resolution is too big for your monitor?
[21:46] <awsoonn> I have most of my screen in the upper left portion of the monitor, and black all round it. the botom and right sides are cut off a bit.
[21:46] <awsoonn> th emonitor is taking it like a camp however. no problems there I think. and I can more my mouse in the black areas ok
[21:47] <awsoonn> probalby a restart of X will take care of it, but that's not an option atm :/
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> awsoonn: try playing with differnt values...
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> like 1280x1024
[21:48] <awsoonn> ^ thats what I am at right now, but I think it will be fine after I can reboot in 8 hours or so
[21:48] <awsoonn> :)
[21:48] <vidd> Odd-rationale, awsoonn  1600x1200 is not a sopported option....try 1600x1024
[21:49] <vidd> methinks you want to use one of the options listed by xrandr's output
[21:50] <vidd> any better?
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you could right, it says my maximum is 1400x1200. but i can only get 1400x1050
[21:51] <awsoonn> vidd: I caught that one, resolution is fine, it's as if the window manager's virtural desktop is not scalling up automaticly with X's resolution
[21:51] <awsoonn> I don't know if those are the right terms, but that's how it feels
[21:53] <awsoonn> bug to be looked into later. *nods* work.
[21:56] <awsoonn> haha, one of my project teamates walked in saw 5 terminal windows open on xubuntu and was thurally impressed. Feels good. :)
[21:56]  * awsoonn does real work now, afk
[21:56] <Baseline> does anyone know of any documentation that shows typical RAM usage of Xubuntu, and (since it's machine specific for the most part) compares it with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and maybe even XP?
[22:04] <vidd> Baseline, RAM usage isnt machine specific....
[22:04] <vidd> its program-centric
[22:04] <vidd> if you open the system monitor, it should show you RAM usage
[22:08] <Baseline> hi vidd, i agree, however some machines will have diff hw (this bluetooth etc) which will invoke and run diff programs which will in turn increase the RAM consumption - yes, that can be turned off, but i guess my question was - for the ones that do not have time to run this test to figure out if Xubuntu would be benefitial move for their 256MB laptop (as an example) - is if anyone from the...
[22:09] <Baseline> ...xubuntu marketing has run all 4 OSes on the same machine in quadruple-boot env and figured out the basic numbers for the OS only, Firefox only, FF+OO runing with 5 documents, and just some basic test to "sell" xubuntu vs the other ones and even compare against DSL for example... would be a selling point on the xubuntu.com home page, no?
[22:11] <vidd> my 256MB ram laptop wont boot KDE, gnome is extremely sluggish, and i wont make my machines virus magnets
[22:11] <TheSheep> Baseline: xubuntu would not come out very good I'm afraid, it's not its goal either
[22:13] <Baseline> thanks, vidd, and thesheep... i like real numbers, and i was wondering if anyone has done it, which is not a problem, since i will do it myself and see if marketing team can use it... btw, what is the goal?
[22:15] <vidd> ....where is that mission statement document that cody-somerville wrote....
[22:16] <cody-somerville> vidd, on the wiki
[22:17] <vidd> Baseline, look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[22:17] <vidd> it tells you the goal for xubuntu
[22:18] <Baseline> " with a particular focus on low memory footprint. ", no it's NOT? huh?
[22:19] <vidd> "with a focus" does not mean "with as low a footprint as possible"
[22:20] <vidd> for example, for ease of use, xubuntu uses gdm as the desktop manager rather then slim
[22:20] <vidd> gdm has a higher memory footprint then slim, but slim is a lot less "intuitive" to configure
[22:21] <vidd> no pre-build GUI interface for configuration, PATH modifications needed, etc
[22:21] <vidd> and that is just one example
[22:22] <Baseline> i agree vidd, but show me the money!!!
[22:22] <vidd> its an all-volunteer program....there is no money!
[22:22] <vidd> =]
[22:22] <Baseline> hard numbers, charts, i love charts...
[22:23] <vidd> well....you make some charts, and submit it....they might even get posted to the site (i can make no guarentees)
[22:24] <vidd> just dont be surprised if there is some disclaimer attached!
[22:24] <Baseline> esp the one where xubuntu running FF3 beats Xp running IE8 by twice as less RAM, while being waaaaay faster with JavaScript...
[22:24] <Baseline> twice as less=half as much
[22:25] <vidd> ok...is that boast in print somewhere?
[22:25] <Baseline> no, but one can get that impression when there are no hard numbers anywhere years into this project....
[22:26] <vidd> ....years....
[22:26] <vidd> xubuntu has been "official" for just over 2 years
[22:26] <Baseline> vidd, surprisingly factual now aren't we?
[22:27] <vidd> ive always been factual
[22:27] <Baseline> then where are the numbers, fact, usages...
[22:27] <vidd> but i dont put much value on "hard numbers"
[22:28] <vidd> you almost never notice the tiny print that says "results not typical, individual results may vary"
[22:28] <vidd> and they always do
[22:29] <Baseline> i know but you need at least one test to make the claim(s) ur making, no?
[22:29] <Baseline> best effort kind a thing
[22:29] <vidd> what claims?
[22:30] <vidd> so far as i know, we havent made any claims
[22:30] <vidd> but....much as i would like to continue this....
[22:31] <Baseline> thanks man
[22:31] <vidd> im done working, and i have to catch the last bus home
[22:31] <vidd> if your still on, ill see ya in about 2 hours
[22:31] <vidd> =]
[22:31] <Baseline> no i gotta go install everything to make the charts
[22:31] <cody-somerville> Baseline, I'm eager to read your report.
[22:31] <vidd> look forward to seeing them!
[22:32] <nikolam> vidd have a pleasant rest
[22:32] <vidd> nikolam, ty...u2
[22:32] <nikolam> Baseline, Make shure you inform us somehow about results!
[22:34] <nikolam> vidd :)


[13:27] <dholbach> davidcalle, have you heard back from is/webops?
[13:36] <davidcalle> dholbach: I've created an RT to track the request: https://portal.admin.canonical.com/92488 (not visible publicly yet)
[13:36] <dholbach> thanks davidcalle