[01:57] <apokryphos> Riddell: done those (sorry for the delay), shall I put the stuff up somewhere now?
[01:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: yeah cool
[01:58] <Riddell> slap them on a web server somewhere
[02:02] <apokryphos> damn you slow upload speed. Might take a few minutes. 8)
[02:06] <Riddell> upload is a problem
[02:07] <apokryphos> I finally got decent download speed (8 megabit), but the cheapos still only give 0.4 upload
[02:08] <Riddell> London?
[02:10] <apokryphos> yeah
[02:10] <apokryphos> Bulldog
[02:19] <apokryphos> Riddell: ok, http://www.giannaros.org/kde3.5/
[02:19] <apokryphos> be sure to tell me what I did wrong :D
[02:31] <\sh> Riddell: knoda sync missing python2.4 build-deps..trying to fix ;)
[02:32] <\sh> latest upload todays morning when I'm getting up
[03:01] <\sh> Riddell: knoda fixed...uploading now
[03:02] <Riddell> excellent
[03:03] <\sh> done...testit :)
[02:28] <\sh> Riddell: who is amarok packager for ubuntu? or should I package new amarok 1.3.1?
[02:37] <Riddell> \sh: amarok has been badly packaged by me and amu in the past (i.e. epoch is > 0)
[02:38] <\sh> Riddell: I see it..
[02:38] <Riddell> \sh: I've been avoiding doing amarok 1.3.1 since I don't see any desperate need for it and I've no wish to battle upstream version freeze
[02:38] <\sh> Riddell: sabdfl wishes to have it ;)
[02:38] <Riddell> \sh: but it's obviously heavily wanted and if sabdfl wants it then go for it :)
[02:38] <\sh> Riddell: when it's no hassle
[02:38] <Riddell> \sh: take a look in svn.debian.org for syncing to the debian packaging
[02:38] <apokryphos> Quite a lot of people have been asking about it in #kubuntu
[02:39] <Riddell> apokryphos: and on mailing lists and on bugzilla, but so far nobody has been able to give any reason why they want it
[02:40] <apokryphos> Riddell: many new features
[02:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: such as what?
[02:40] <Riddell> actually didn't mornfall package 1.3?
[02:40] <\sh> Riddell: not on svn.d.o
[02:40] <\sh> but http://people.debian.org/~adeodato/packages/amarok-sarge/
[02:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: they have quite a few on their site, but the whole new wiki tab, proper ipod support etc
[02:41] <\sh> Riddell: actually I need to patch it again, i think
[02:41] <apokryphos> amaroK is one of the only apps that gnomers venture into, that's why I think it's important to have (people see it as the part of kubuntu they have)
[02:42] <apokryphos> oh, and the Knewstuff etc too
[02:42] <Riddell> \sh: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/people/dato/packages/trunk/amarok/debian/
[02:45] <\sh> Riddell: yes the same
[02:49] <\sh> Riddell: but if I change now the version without epoch..which is greater? 2: or 1.3.1?
[02:50] <Riddell> \sh: you still need the epoch
[02:50] <allee> Riddell: FWIW for next kde-announce msg: s/5.04/5.10/
[02:51] <\sh> Riddell: need to merge the changelog
[02:52] <Riddell> allee: tsk, silly me (and kde-apps.org), thanks for spotting
[02:52] <Riddell> \sh: yeah, just do that in whatever seems the most sensible way
[02:52] <\sh> yepp
[02:52] <allee> \sh: nobody can beat an epoch. Once introduced one can't get rid of it.  dpkg --compare-versions x.y op u.v
[02:54] <\sh> allee: yeah...I only have to take care, that the changelog is in sync
[02:55] <\sh> and this is more mess then ever ;)
[02:55] <allee> merging is pure fun *grin*
[02:56] <\sh> allee: GO AWAY *eg*
[02:59] <\sh> Riddell: what is kubuntu_02_gstreamer_output.patch?
[03:01] <\sh> ah only just some fixes in a config file....ba
[03:01] <Riddell> \sh: dunno, what's in it?  what does the changelog say?
[03:01] <\sh> -            <default>alsasink</default>
[03:01] <\sh> +            <default>osssink</default>
[03:01] <Riddell> alsasink had some problems for people
[03:02] <apokryphos> Riddell: any major errors in the .debs; is it worth me trying something else small? =)
[03:02] <Riddell> apokryphos: kdetoys?  worked just great for me
[03:02] <Riddell> thanks very much
[03:02] <Riddell> kdepim is small and easy :)
[03:02] <Riddell> (not really)
[03:03] <apokryphos> I thought not :D
[03:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: should I go for that then or a smaller one?
[03:04] <Riddell> kdegames is probably another small easy one
[03:04] <apokryphos> cool
[03:04] <apokryphos> wondering if I'll be able to get past fixing patches if need be
[03:05] <Riddell> I seem to remember JRe also offered to help package 3.5 beta :)
[03:06] <\sh> building amarok-1.3.1
[03:06] <\sh> Riddell: u want 3.5 for breezy? ,-)
[03:06] <Riddell> \sh: maybe we can convince sabdfl to delay breezy to allow in 3.5 :)
[03:07] <\sh> Riddell: hahaha...lets try ;)
[03:07] <JRe> Riddell: right!
[03:08] <\sh> ok..lets wait one hour for amarok
[03:10] <Riddell> JRe: let me know if you want me to assign something out to you
[03:10] <JRe> Riddell: tell me what package needs building
[03:11] <JRe> (i have an amd 64)
[03:12] <Riddell> JRe: then you have a choice of either rebuilding stuff for amd64 or packaging new stuff in a 386 chroot
[03:13] <JRe> what modules of kde3.5 are not packaged already ?
[03:13] <Riddell> JRe: done is libs, base, utils and toys
[03:14] <Riddell> multimedia, pim, network, edu are next I guess
[03:14] <JRe> Riddell: ok I can work on kdepim
[03:15] <Riddell> woo!
[03:15] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/3.5-src/
[03:16] <JRe> Riddell: there is a repo with the already built kde 3.5 libs and base?
[03:16] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages
[03:16] <JRe> Install KDE 3.5 beta1 kdelibs and kdebase (ask Riddell for URL)
[03:16] <Riddell> oh yes, that would help
[03:16] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1 breezy main
[03:21] <apokryphos> only one patch this time, with one fail:
[03:21] <apokryphos> Hunk #1 FAILED at 6.
[03:21] <apokryphos> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file kbounce/Makefile.am.rej
[03:21] <\sh> ok..amarok build fine...reapplying gstreamer patch...rebuilding...uploading to my webserver
[03:22] <apokryphos> \sh: what's the URL? Mind if I test?
[03:23] <\sh> apokryphos: I rebuild now with the gestreamer patch...give me 20 mins...
[03:23] <Riddell> apokryphos: maybe the patch is now in KDE?
[03:23] <apokryphos> of course
[03:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: I'll check
[03:23] <\sh> apokryphos: but then deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/i386/
[03:27] <\sh> grmpf
[03:28] <\sh> patch failed
[03:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: oop, indeed it is.
[03:28] <apokryphos> will remove the patch
[03:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: sorry, no, if I'm reading the patch correctly... seems to be a patch for Makefile.am, but doesn't seem to have the extra line that the patch has. Makefile.am.rej does though
[03:30] <apokryphos> not sure if that's significant
[03:30] <\sh> Riddell: your gstreamer patch made it upstream ;)
[03:36] <\sh> apokryphos: try it now
[03:42] <\sh> Riddell: ok with u for 1.3.1?
[03:42] <apokryphos> \sh: seems to work perfectly -- tried all the engines.
[03:42] <apokryphos> Great stuff :)
[03:42] <\sh> ok..
[03:47] <JRe> Riddell: the version of these packages is 3.4.91, rught ?
[03:47] <JRe> s/rught/right/
[03:48] <apokryphos> JRe: yeah
[03:52] <\sh> wow...it works perfectly
[03:53] <\sh> and looks nice
[03:53] <JRe> \sh: where are the 1.3.1 packages ?
[03:54] <\sh> deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/i386/
[03:55] <JRe> \sh: thanks!
[03:55] <\sh> Riddell: I will talk to mdz tonight..and then we can upload
[03:55] <JRe> ho nice we will maybe have them in breezy
[03:55] <\sh> JRe: thats sabdfls plan
[03:56] <JRe> \sh: it's a good idea because 1.3.1 version is really nice (tested it on unstable)
[03:57] <\sh> ok..now for wine
[03:57] <\sh> 20050830 ;)
[03:58] <JRe> there is an option in pbuilderrc that I can set to have a i386 arch instead of amd64 ?
[03:58] <JRe> export DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=i386 ?
[04:12] <JRe> ok the right command is env ARCH=i386 sudo pdebuild
[04:18] <JRe> pbuilder rocks
[04:19] <apokryphos> Ok, determined that the patch isn't applied in the Makefile.am definitely, and so there's a .rej. Not sure why it hasn't applied... it's only an extra  -lartskde  ..should I just add it in to the Makefile.am?
[04:20] <JRe> apokryphos: maybe the context text has changes and it's why the patch is rejected
[04:20] <JRe> s/changes/changed/
[04:20] <JRe> apokryphos: so make a brand new patch which does exactly the same thing
[04:21] <apokryphos> alrighty, I'll try, thanks.
[04:22] <JRe> mmm configure: WARNING: bluetooth/bluetooth.h: present but cannot be compiled
[04:23] <apokryphos> JRe: is there a particular way I should create the patch? Only really used to doing svn patches
[04:24] <JRe> apokryphos: if it's a cdbs patch use cdbs-edit-patch nameofthepatch
[04:25] <\sh> apokryphos / riddell: http://pastebin.com/365499
[04:25] <JRe> apokryphos: if it's with dpatch use dpatch-edit-patch nameofthepatch
[04:26] <apokryphos> JRe: how do I know which it is?
[04:26] <JRe> apokryphos: take a look in the rules file
[04:28] <apokryphos> JRe: include ...cdbs. That's it, I take it.
[04:28] <JRe> apokryphos: include debian/cdbs/simple-patchsys.mk ???
[04:28] <apokryphos> that's right
[04:31] <Riddell> apokryphos: is it a cdbs package?
[04:32] <\sh> JRe: did u have problems with 1.3.1 packages of amarok?
[04:32] <apokryphos> Riddell: I have little idea of what that even is. It's for kbounce
[04:32] <JRe> \sh: no on unstable it was fine
[04:32] <\sh> JRe: and with the packages from me now on breezy?
[04:33] <Riddell> \sh: where are your breezy packages?
[04:33] <JRe> \sh: I have not tried already
[04:33] <\sh> deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/i386/
[04:34] <\sh> apokryphos / riddell: http://pastebin.com/365499 <--- thats one problem report of a user
[04:34] <mitsuhiko> moin
[04:34] <Riddell> hello mitsuhiko
[04:34] <mitsuhiko> here comes another amarok tester
[04:34] <apokryphos> I get amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.   too
[04:34] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's expected
[04:35] <mitsuhiko> apokryphos: that's expected
[04:35] <mitsuhiko> arr. to late
[04:35] <apokryphos> Apart from that, I don't get anything else really
[04:35] <Riddell> QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow
[04:35] <Riddell> KCrash: Application 'amarok' crashing...
[04:35] <mitsuhiko> \sh: as i said. works very well with my checkinstall deb but refuses to work with the dcop server if i use yours
[04:36] <Riddell> hmm
[04:36] <\sh> Riddell: I adjusted the depends of amarok after the first package accordingly to your 1.2.4 package...so it will install now only amarok-gstreamer
[04:36] <mitsuhiko> \sh: thx
[04:36] <\sh> by default
[04:37] <mitsuhiko> \sh: and something else is strange. alsasrc doesn't appear in the gstreamer list
[04:38] <Riddell> \sh: I doin't see that on the package I just downloaded, "Depends: amarok-engines" it doesn't mention gstreamer
[04:38] <mitsuhiko> \sh: if I delete the amarok config it starts one time and crashes afterwards :)
[04:38] <\sh> Riddell: i didn't build it until now..have to wait for wine
[04:38] <Riddell> \sh: right
[04:39] <Riddell> oh for god sakes amarok, how do I get to my songs!
[04:39] <Riddell> I just want a playlist with all my music in it damnit!
[04:39] <\sh> Package: amarok
[04:39] <\sh> Architecture: any
[04:39] <\sh> Depends: amarok-gstreamer | amarok-engines | amarok-engine, ${shlibs:Depends}
[04:39] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: scan your music directory
[04:39] <\sh> this is updated version
[04:39] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: don't that (through build-collection).  but no songs appear in the playlist
[04:40] <Riddell> s/don't/done/
[04:40] <\sh> the playlist appears only after build-collection
[04:40] <\sh> what you want is files ;)
[04:40] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: hm. that was the only thing that worked for me
[04:40] <Riddell> I have files, nothing has appeared
[04:40] <\sh> works for me
[04:41] <mitsuhiko> can someone check if alsasrc appears in the gstreamer config page in amarok?
[04:41] <apokryphos> you can of course drag from konqueror into playlist
[04:41] <mitsuhiko> s/alsasrc/alsaink
[04:41] <Riddell> ah, build collection again and it's put them all in collection
[04:41] <\sh> mitsuhiko: it's amarok default...oss instead of alsa
[04:41] <mitsuhiko> \sh: thx for the font page btw. works good
[04:42] <Riddell> now how do I get a playlist with everything in it?
[04:42] <mitsuhiko> \sh: i refuse to use oss!
[04:42] <\sh> mitsuhiko: 1.2.4 had a riddell patch for that to use oss instead of alsa...and amarok 1.3.1 has it now as default in it...
[04:42] <mitsuhiko> \sh: why should i use oss?
[04:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: everything from your collection, or all your music? If you drag all the files into the playlist then you can save the playlist
[04:43] <\sh> mitsuhiko: amarok-1.3.1/amarok/src/engine/gst/config/gstconfig.kcfg
[04:44] <Riddell> why should I have to drag everything into the middle?  I just want it to show me all my songs by default damnit
[04:44] <Riddell> grr
[04:44] <apokryphos> Riddell: you have to tell it where to look first, of course :)
[04:44] <\sh> Riddell: it should play musik
[04:45] <Riddell> apokryphos: I have told it where to look, but then nothing appears in the playlist unless I selection everything in "collection" and drag it on
[04:45] <Riddell> which is crazy
[04:45] <apokryphos> Yes, it's a different method. Static playlist, not a dynamic one.
[04:46] <apokryphos> (though you can make dynamic playlists too somehow)
[04:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: how do I make one of those?
[04:47] <\sh> mitsuhiko: which version did u checkinstalled?
[04:47] <mitsuhiko> \sh: 1.3.0
[04:48] <\sh> JRe: do u have on unstable alsalink in 1.3.0?
[04:48] <apokryphos> Riddell: don't really know, I could try to find out. It is possible though -- click on "Playlists" on the navigation there on the left
[04:48] <mitsuhiko> \sh: my soundcard can't mix different sounds when using oss
[04:49] <mitsuhiko> so i use the much better alsa
[04:49] <Riddell> Smart Playlists->Collection->All Collection
[04:49] <Riddell> that is stupidly hard to find
[04:49] <\sh> mitsuhiko: this is not the problem...the thing is it's not in the source...
[04:49] <mitsuhiko> Oo
[04:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: some built up anger towards dear amaroK ;-)
[04:50] <\sh> mitsuhiko: which release version of amarok did u use for checkinstall? or build by yourself?
[04:50] <Riddell> apokryphos: too right, this thing need major usability thrown at it with a brick
[04:50] <mitsuhiko> \sh: here on my hoary pc i used 1.3-beta3, on the breezy machine 1.3
[04:51] <mitsuhiko> afaik. i'll check
[04:51] <\sh> mitsuhiko: selfbuild?
[04:51] <mitsuhiko> \sh: jep
[04:51] <mitsuhiko> \sh: the strange X-Server Message is from Xnest btw
[04:51] <tvo> Riddell:kde3.4.91 version of kio-locate --> http://home.casema.nl/junk/kio-locate_0.4.3-0ubuntu1.{orig.tar.gz,diff.gz,dsc}
[04:52] <\sh> mitsuhiko: ok
[04:52] <tvo> Riddell: sorry, this is the link: http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/junk/kio-locate_0.4.3-0ubuntu1.{orig.tar.gz,diff.gz,dsc}
[04:52] <\sh> Riddell: but u didn't have any problems starting amarok?
[04:53] <\sh> only the obvious user error ;)
[04:53] <Riddell> \sh: well it crashed
[04:53] <Riddell> which I guess is a problem
[04:53] <mitsuhiko> rofl
[04:53] <\sh> yes it is
[04:53] <\sh> strange
[04:53] <\sh> it's running now here for 1 hour
[04:53] <Riddell> removing my ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok stopped it crashing on startup
[04:54] <Riddell> stupidly I didn't save them so I can't go and find out what the problem was
[04:54] <\sh> with 80gb of mp3 inside
[04:54] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: same for me
[04:54] <Riddell> \sh: does crossfading work?
[04:54] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: crash on startup?
[04:54] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: but after first amarok restart it crashes again
[04:54] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: yeah
[04:54] <Riddell> taglib doesn't seem to be too happy
[04:54] <\sh> hmmm
[04:55] <\sh> no....it's not enabled
[04:55] <mitsuhiko> http://pastebin.com/365499 <== helps maybe
[04:55] <\sh> Riddell: gstreamer engine
[04:55] <\sh> Riddell: xine engine it's enable
[04:55] <\sh> d
[04:56] <\sh> come on wine...compile u stupid brainfck
hm. brainfuck</homer>
[04:57] <\sh> and crossfading with xine is working nicely
[04:58] <\sh> and xine engine has also alsa
[04:58] <Riddell> I'm sure crossfading used to work fine
[04:59] <\sh> Riddell: in 1.2.4 i had problems with gstreamer engine...
[04:59] <\sh>  GStreamer-engine was rewritten. The crossfading feature was removed for now (it didn't work right with recent GStreamer versions). Improvements: 1) Reduced CPU usage 2) Reduced latency 3) Increased stability
[04:59] <\sh> upstream changes
[05:00] <Riddell> bah
[05:00] <Riddell> why is crossfading so difficult i wonder
[05:02] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: because oss only supports one sound source
[05:02] <mitsuhiko> but alsa could do it out of the box afaik
[05:03] <\sh> Riddell: any idea to get alsa back into gstreamer engine?
[05:03] <Riddell> the crossfading is done by gstreamer, not the sound driver
[05:03] <Riddell> \sh: nope, does the configure output complain about missing alsa anything?
[05:05] <\sh> Riddell: not that I saw
[05:05] <\sh> Riddell: but it's not even in the gst config stuff...only ossink
[05:09] <Riddell> \sh: seems it was disabled for 1.3.1, it's back now in SVN
[05:09] <mitsuhiko> \sh: i think i've found the problem
[05:09] <Riddell> \sh: because it caused crashes
[05:10] <\sh> Riddell: so for 1.3.1 we don't have alsa
[05:10] <\sh> for gstreamer
[05:10] <Riddell> \sh: yep
[05:10] <\sh> Riddell: ok...but we're sure to have it in breezy?
[05:11] <Riddell> \sh: to have what?
[05:13] <\sh> Riddell: to have 1.3.1 in breezy? I have to talk to mdz this evening...:(
[05:13] <\sh> and wine is bugging me as well *bytinginmydesk*
[05:16] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: what problem have you found?
[05:17] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: sill working on it :(
[05:17] <mitsuhiko> s/sill/still
[05:17] <tvo> Riddell: you can give me another package to package somewhere this weekend
[05:22] <mitsuhiko> \sh: hey. it's working..
[05:22] <mitsuhiko> but not as i expected
[05:22] <\sh> mitsuhiko: what is it?
[05:22] <Riddell> tvo: a KDE 3.5 package?
[05:22] <tvo> Riddell: yup
[05:22] <mitsuhiko> \sh: first starup --> crash
[05:23] <Riddell> tvo: have you done one already?
[05:23] <mitsuhiko> \sh: second start --> working
[05:23] <tvo> Riddell: well, kio-locate ;)
[05:23] <\sh> mitsuhiko: sqlite?
[05:23] <mitsuhiko> \sh: jep
[05:23] <tvo> Riddell: Armin released a 0.4.3 and i just ran it through pbuilder bladieblah and upped it, you got the link?
[05:24] <\sh> mitsuhiko: this is one thing I can live with ;)
[05:24] <mitsuhiko> \sh: /me also, because i'm using mysql and nfs
[05:24] <Riddell> tvo: are there any differences?  has your stuff gone into it?
[05:24] <mitsuhiko> but in this test case i tried the default values
[05:24] <\sh> mitsuhiko: yes...but I wonder why it didn't crash for me
[05:25] <\sh> mitsuhiko: cause I'm using sqlite
[05:25] <mitsuhiko> hm
[05:25] <mitsuhiko> dunno
[05:25] <tvo> Riddell: yes, it's my 0.4.2tvo0.2 with a few additions to gui / docs, and a german translation, no code changes
[05:26] <\sh> ok..I'm taking a nap now...and will talk to mdz about freeze break
[05:26] <tvo> he put 0.4.2tvo0.2 and 0.4.3 on his website at the same time, and send me the .diff between them
[05:27] <tvo> s/send/sent/
[05:30] <tvo> Riddell: so I branched and patched and created a package of 0.4.3
[05:34] <Riddell> tvo: but probably not worth getting it into ubuntu archives
[05:35] <mitsuhiko> \sh: working
[05:36] <\sh> mitsuhiko: ok...
[05:36] <tvo> Riddell: not official breezy repos, way too much hassle with all kinds of freezes probably
[05:36] <mitsuhiko> \sh: but crashing when using xine, alsa and enabling fading
[05:37] <tvo> Riddell: are you trying to get kde 3.5 into ubuntu archives? or will it be like 3.4.2 for hoary?
[05:37] <\sh> mitsuhiko: hmmm...no
[05:38] <\sh> mitsuhiko: STRANGE....
[05:38] <\sh> mitsuhiko: it's working here
[05:39] <mitsuhiko> \sh: mom
[05:42] <mitsuhiko> \sh: http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?image=donthavefuckingarts2gz.png
[05:42] <mitsuhiko> only happens on my gnome account
[05:42] <\sh> mitsuhiko: I'm running gnome ;)
[05:43] <mitsuhiko> but i don't have arts
[05:43] <\sh> mitsuhiko: I don't have arts either
[05:43] <mitsuhiko> you're the programming dude --> fix it ^^
[05:43] <\sh> mitsuhiko: in my kde profile i switched off arts
[05:44] <\sh> mitsuhiko: but I think this comes from clean config...so no config file?
[05:44] <mitsuhiko> \sh: fresh user account
[05:44] <mitsuhiko> i deleted blackbird. only for you :)
[05:44] <\sh> hehe
[05:45] <\sh> mitsuhiko: ok...try to disable arts in your kconftrol
[05:45] <\sh> kcontrol even
[05:45] <mitsuhiko> ok. mom
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> ok
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> disabled
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> but
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> positive: only one error message :)
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> negative: amarok still crashing
[05:47] <\sh> grmpf
[05:47] <mitsuhiko> "xine konnte keine Audio-Treiber starten"
[05:47] <\sh> thats no crash...it's a warning
[05:48] <\sh> mitsuhiko: in "Einstellungen -> Engines" is arts as default?
[05:50] <mitsuhiko> \sh: nein. alsa
[05:50] <mitsuhiko> (wenn du jetzt amarok meinst)
[05:50] <mitsuhiko> arr. why i'm writing german? *gnabber*
[05:50] <\sh> mitsuhiko: hmm..und du hast esd laufen?
[05:50] <\sh> sht
[05:50] <mitsuhiko> ^^
[05:50] <\sh> lol
[05:50] <mitsuhiko> no esd running
[05:51] <\sh> mitsuhiko: arts or xine->arts?
[05:51] <\sh> grmpf
[05:51] <mitsuhiko> xine->alsa
[05:52] <\sh> hmm...just running here with xine->alsa..moment
[05:52] <mitsuhiko> \sh: erm. that's the same configuration as i'm running
[05:53] <\sh> yes..and no crash... just restarted the boogy
[05:55] <mitsuhiko> .oO(should i tell him, that everything works fine using amarok 1.3.0? better not)
[05:57] <mitsuhiko> \sh: hint: working without problem when i'm using KDE
[05:57] <\sh> mitsuhiko: 1.3.1?
[05:58] <mitsuhiko> \sh: jep
[05:58] <Riddell> \sh:   amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-mad but it is not installable
[05:58] <\sh> Riddell: installed here
[05:58] <mitsuhiko> root@majakin:~# apt-cache search gstreamer | grep mad
[05:58] <mitsuhiko> gstreamer0.8-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[05:59] <Riddell> it's in universe
[05:59] <mitsuhiko> jep
[05:59] <mitsuhiko> amarok too
[05:59] <Riddell> amarok is in main
[05:59] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: did i missed something?
[05:59] <\sh> grmpf
[06:00] <\sh> he is right
[06:00] <mitsuhiko> wow
[06:00] <\sh> -mad are the mp3 stuff
[06:01] <Riddell> it shouldn't compile against it, it's all plugins
[06:01] <Riddell> just installed amarok 1.3.1 on top of 1.2 and it's working fine
[06:01] <\sh> Riddell: fixed..it was an error in substvars
[06:02] <Riddell> apart from it seems to think my Abba collection is authored by Academy of St Martin in the Fields
[06:02] <mitsuhiko> \sh: so amarok can play out-of-the box only ogg?
[06:02] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: out the box it can play whatever it has gstreamer plugins for
[06:02] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: not mp3 :)
[06:02] <\sh> mitsuhiko: yes
[06:02] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: we don't have mp3 plugins in the box so no
[06:02] <\sh> mitsuhiko: gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe because unsupported
[06:03] <Riddell> because of evil patents
[06:03] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: i thought restricted could be a proper home for -mad
[06:04] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: I havn't heard of that, although it's not a daft idea
[06:05] <\sh> we don't want to pay patent fees
[06:05] <mitsuhiko> .oO(fuck software patents)
[06:05] <\sh> anyways...I will take a nap for one hour...
[06:06] <\sh> please leave a query or whatever....will catch up later...
[06:58] <mitsuhiko> \sh: small update
[07:00] <mitsuhiko> \sh: works well using xine and esd, but having again the problem with dcopserver
[07:03] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: what's the problem?
[07:03] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: german error message
[07:03] <mitsuhiko> mom
[07:04] <mitsuhiko> correcting.. english
[07:04] <mitsuhiko> There was an error setting up the inter-process communications for KDE. This Message retunred by the System was
[07:04] <mitsuhiko> Could not read network connection list:
[07:05] <mitsuhiko>  /home/blackbird/.DCOPServer_majakin_0
[07:05] <mitsuhiko> Please check that the dcopserver is running!
[07:05] <Riddell> mitsuhiko: under KDE?
[07:05] <Riddell> or gnome?
[07:05] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: gnome
[07:06] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: when i delete the amarok config everything works 2 restarts
[07:06] <Riddell> hmm
[07:09] <mitsuhiko> Riddell: worked in 1.3.0 without a problem
[07:33] <\sh> back from nap
[07:35] <\sh> so any objections toward amarok 1.3.1 in breezy?
[07:43] <mitsuhiko> \sh: look above
[07:43] <\sh> mitsuhiko: ok...
[07:43] <mitsuhiko> :)
[07:43] <\sh> I think it's more a problem with some custom setups
[07:44] <mitsuhiko> \sh: works without a problem in 1.3.0
[07:44] <mitsuhiko> and 2 times after deleting the config
[07:44] <\sh> mitsuhiko: well..from 1.2.4 to 1.3.1 worked he as well :)
[07:44] <\sh> here even
[07:44] <mitsuhiko> hm
[07:44] <mitsuhiko> maybe i'm to stupid ^^
[07:45] <\sh> but I know that amarok had problems with upgrades
[08:00] <\sh> ok from mdz
[08:01] <\sh> doing a last testbuild to see if all depends/suggests etc. are in the right place
[08:01] <mitsuhiko> \sh: KeyStrokes Font powered by a Friend of \sh in Action: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WikiSandkasten
[08:03] <\sh> mitsuhiko: u found something for u?
[08:04] <mitsuhiko> \sh: jep
[08:04] <\sh> mitsuhiko: if you find some new fonts which are not in the archive...please add..i think djsnoopy will love it :)
[08:05] <mitsuhiko> \sh: i found at least 5000 of them: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9883
[08:05] <\sh> mitsuhiko: when they're not in crazyfonts.de please add :)
[08:05] <mitsuhiko> O_o
[08:06] <mitsuhiko> .oO(\sh must think i can slow down the time)
[08:07] <\sh> hehe
[08:43] <\sh> amarok upload now
[08:44] <JRe> nice :)
[08:45] <\sh> Riddell: I will get all the blame when some things are not working
[08:46] <Riddell> \sh: just blame it on sabdfl, he forced it in :)
[08:47] <\sh> Riddell: he tested it ;)
[09:36] <\sh> amarok just finished to compile on all three main archs..welcome it warmly :)


[09:54] <zniavre> hello , im looking documentation about xfce theming is there a web site ?
[09:55] <zniavre> specially for panel in fact
[14:31] <Bacta> HELLO EVERYBODY! :D
[17:38] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/


[04:54] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r1506 ma/: Merged with trunk.
[05:01] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r1507 ma/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[05:01] <CIA-19> ubiquity: * Set the partition model after populating it in the KDE UI
[05:01] <CIA-19> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[05:01] <CIA-19> ubiquity:  1.16ubuntu4, kboot-installer 0.0.1ubuntu3, partman-newworld
[05:01] <CIA-19> ubiquity:  18ubuntu1.
[05:01] <cjwatson> hmm, odd commit message
[05:02] <evand> whoops
[05:02] <cjwatson> (not worth fixing)
[05:02] <evand> I probably should've stripped that first changelog item from it.
[05:03] <cjwatson> it shouldn't do that unless the line changed
[05:03] <cjwatson> maybe trailing whitespace or something
[05:28] <evand> curious, my debsign appears to be broken, but I have no problem signing things normally.
[05:30] <evand> nevermind
[05:32] <cjwatson> I whack it over the head with DEBSIGN_MAINT='Colin Watson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in ~/.devscripts
[05:35] <evand> hrm, should I bzr export before debuild'ing?
[05:35] <evand> to avoid including .bzr
[05:37] <thom> evand: -i should do you, shouldn't it?
[05:37] <cjwatson> you *can*, but it's easier to use -I.bzr -I.bzrignore -I.shelf to debuild
[05:38] <cjwatson> thom: native package so you need -I too
[05:38] <evand> ah, thanks thom and cjwatson
[05:38] <thom> ahr, right
[05:38] <cjwatson> (though for others, yes)
[05:38] <cjwatson> what I do is this in my shell startup scripts:
[05:38] <cjwatson> export DH_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE='CVS:.svn:{arch}:.arch-ids:.bzr'
[05:38] <cjwatson> and this in ~/.devscripts:
[05:38] <cjwatson> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i'(?:^|/).*~$|(?:^|/)\..*\.swp|DEADJOE|(?:/CVS|/RCS|/\.svn|/\.deps|\{arch\}|\.arch-ids|\.arch-inventory|\.bzr|\.bzrignore|\.shelf)(?:$|/)' -ICVS -I.svn -I\{arch\} -I.arch-ids -I.arch-inventory -I.bzr -I.bzrignore -I.shelf -uc -us"
[05:38] <cjwatson> DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS=DH_ALWAYS_EXCLUDE
[05:38] <cjwatson> that gets the job done nicely and I don't think about it
[05:39] <evand> noted
[05:39] <cjwatson> might want to sync that -i nightmare rune up with whatever's currently in /usr/bin/dpkg-source - unfortunately there's no easy way to say "just add to the list of stuff you're ignoring rather than replacing it"
[05:45] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r1508 ma/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.3
[05:54] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r1509 ma/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.5.4
[06:45] <CIA-19> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2088 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac d-i/manifest debian/changelog): merge from Evan
[06:47] <btm_> busybox mkswap supports only 2Gb?
[06:48] <cjwatson> btm_: according to mkswap(8), util-linux is the same
[06:48] <cjwatson> The
[06:48] <cjwatson>        maximum useful size of a swap area now depends on the architec
[06:48] <cjwatson>        ture.   It  is  roughly  2GiB  on i386, PPC, m68k, ARM, 1GiB on
[06:48] <cjwatson>        sparc, 512MiB on mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64.
[06:49] <cjwatson> (of course, the man page could be out of date)
[06:50] <btm_> Yeah, I saw that too and saw '99 in the man page.
[06:50] <btm_> xm3adm@dev3:~$ sudo mkswap /dev/system/swap
[06:50] <btm_> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 8589930 kB
[06:54] <cjwatson> but can you swapon that?
[06:57] <btm_> yeah.
[06:57] <cjwatson> and when you do, how much does the kernel say it's actually using?
[06:59] <cjwatson> could be that busybox mkswap needs to be updated from util-linux though
[07:00] <btm_> well, it lists 8G in proc/swaps and proc/meminfo. As far as being used, it's unclear to me if that much swap is no longer effective.
[07:10] <cjwatson> hmm, ok, I think you're right, looks like a legit bug
[07:10] <cjwatson> could you please file it?
[07:10] <cjwatson> current upstream is totally different, and while it fixes the bug it looks pretty hard to backport
[07:11] <cjwatson> r15704 | landley | 2006-07-16 09:17:03 +0100 (Sun, 16 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
[07:11] <cjwatson> Changed paths:
[07:11] <cjwatson>    M /trunk/busybox/util-linux/mkswap.c
[07:11] <cjwatson> New mkswap.  Small and simple.  Might even work. :)
[07:11] <cjwatson> (also won't do UUIDs etc. so is not very useful for our purposes right now. silly upstream.)
[07:12] <cjwatson> though I guess the old version didn't either, that was a feature I added
[07:14] <btm_> Sure.


[00:13] <Viabobed> Anybody active?
[00:16] <Viabobed> (Yells into empty Canyon) Hello Hello
[00:16] <Viabobed> (Echos Back) hello hello....helllo
[00:18]  * bprompt drops a pin
[00:23] <Viabobed> I waned to ask you guys something...
[00:23] <Viabobed> in the very quiet chat room named Kubuntu
[00:23] <Viabobed> lol
[00:24] <bprompt> well.. some are, some aren't here
[00:24] <bprompt> I'd be dashing soon myself
[00:25] <bprompt> but you can ask, worse case scenario, it'd echo echo echo
[00:25] <bprompt> heheh
[00:25] <Viabobed> hahaa
[00:25] <Viabobed> yeah
[00:25] <Viabobed> not much to lose
[00:25] <Viabobed> I just wanted to ask her before I jumped into the forums
[00:25] <Viabobed> wanted to know if you guys know how stable Plasma 5.2 is
[00:26] <Viabobed> Is it safe? lol
[00:26] <bprompt> hmm
[00:26] <bprompt> I run 12.04.... so.... and I dont' use plasma per se, since I run lxde as window manager, but from a few folks I've heard..... not as stable thus far
[00:27] <Viabobed> Got it.
[00:28] <Viabobed> I felt like it was a bit risky based on something I read back in September
[00:28] <Viabobed> But it's matured a bit since then.
[00:28] <Viabobed> I'm running Gnome now, on Lubuntu
[00:28] <Viabobed> but wanted to try something more polished
[00:33] <keithzg> I'd say that Plasma 5.2 is decently stable, but still has some rough edges and is definitely not feature complete.
[00:34] <keithzg> That being said, much of what I personally miss from Plasma 5.2 is merely stuff I had back in Plasma 4, so if you're a Gnome or LXDE user you likely shan't notice the missing features, heh.
[00:35] <keithzg> But I really wouldn't install it on 14.10 if you want a polished experience. Wait at least until 15.04 is officially released, and either install the corresponding metapackage (should still be "kubuntu-desktop") once you've upgraded to 15.04, or install Kubuntu 15.04 fresh, Viabobed.
[00:36] <keithzg> If anything, I've only really had trouble with things on 15.04 thanks to my high-DPI screen and the switchover to systemd.
[00:37] <keithzg> If you *really* want a very polished, mature experience, at this rate that Plasma 5 is rapidly maturing I suspect whatever ships with 15.10 will be very solid. But if you can't wait, then do at least wait for 15.04 to be officially released, I'd say.
[01:05] <Viabobed> whoa didn't notice you guys responded.
[01:06] <Viabobed> So Plasma on 14.10 is pretty stable
[01:07] <Viabobed> Does the 15.04 image come pre-loaded with Plasma 5.2
[01:09] <fcomtois> hey guys, does anyone know how to AFP shares using dolphin?
[01:15] <fcomtois> guys?
[03:23] <fcomtois> anyone has experience mounting AFP shares using dolphin ?
[05:04] <frecel> hi
[05:04] <frecel> is anyone awake
[05:04] <frecel> I'm having some critical issues with kwin on 15.04
[05:10] <valorie> frecel__: what issues?
[05:20] <FlameReaper> I cannot see other computers connected to the network via Kubuntu but I can see them when I log in to my Windows partition.
[05:20] <FlameReaper> and access them without much issue.
[05:20] <FlameReaper> what could be the case?
[05:20] <FlameReaper> Dolphin just returns this error: Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall.
[05:22] <frecel> kwin is crashing for me on 15.04
[05:22] <frecel> I have no window manager right now
[05:23] <fcomtois> does anyone have experience mounting AFP Shares on Dolphin ?
[05:26] <valorie> fcomtois: what is a "AFP" share?
[05:26] <valorie> FlameReaper: where are you looking?
[05:27] <valorie> do you have Samba installed and working?
[05:27] <FlameReaper> valorie: how do I make sure it is?
[05:28] <FlameReaper> also I'm trying to do the usual "navigate to Network in Dolphin >> select Samba Shares >> wait and see"
[05:28] <valorie> In Dolphin, Network > Samba shares > Workgroups
[05:28] <valorie> I see my husband's windows computer in my network
[05:28] <valorie> and I've never done anything to enable Samba
[05:28] <valorie> it Just Works
[05:28] <FlameReaper> I can't
[05:29] <FlameReaper> I do know that I should be able to see "Workgroups" when I select "Samba shares"
[05:29] <valorie> he's not shared anything with me, and he's not logged in, so I don't "see" anything
[05:29] <valorie> hmmm
[05:29] <FlameReaper> but Dolphin keeps returning me some sort of an access error
[05:29] <valorie> !samba
[05:29] <valorie> perhaps there is some help for troubleshooting in those two links
[05:29] <FlameReaper> my laptop doesn't have access problems when in Windows
[05:30] <FlameReaper> and are able to see the computers in the network as it should
[05:30] <valorie> well, this is a laptop, with Vivid beta
[05:30] <valorie> as I said, I never did anything special
[05:31] <valorie> or even looked there before tbh
[05:39] <frecel> I installed awesome so I can use my desktop
[05:39] <valorie> frecel: later, if you want to, you might join #plasma and talk to the kwin devel mgraesslin
[05:39] <valorie> and find out what's going on
[05:40] <valorie> right now the european devels are still asleep
[05:40] <frecel> valorie: is anyone else having issues with kwin right now or is it just me?
[05:41] <kb52> hi
[05:41] <valorie> I've not heard of any, frecel
[05:42] <valorie> what version of kubuntu were/are you using?
[05:42] <frecel> 15.04 haha
[05:42] <valorie> ok, so the beta
[05:42] <kb52> For those looking for a decent backup system, try Kleo it is excellente.
[05:43] <frecel> I installed it so I can file some bugs before the official release, didn't expect things to fail this badly
[05:45] <kb52> Kleo is by carroll.net is a live CD backup and restore running on Ubuntu. But its great if your not wanting to start over all the time when and if you crash your Linux too badly.
[05:45] <valorie> frecel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwin
[05:45] <valorie> personally, I like rsync
[05:47] <kb52> It does have a few odd bugs. About the only one is you for some odd reason go have to mount for example my firewire drive, had to be mounted before I could use it to backup to.
[05:47] <kb52> That and the icons on the desktop overlapped each other. But I was able to go past that do a full backup in 30 minutes, and a full restore in 15
[05:50] <frecel> valorie: I think I should find out how to replicate my bug before I submit it
[05:50] <kb52> Well Kleo is the fastest I have seen, and totally GUI and so making it very user friendly. Plus at least you can browse the web, download torrents, and even burn a CD/DVD from the live cd bootup.
[05:51] <valorie> kb52: not really on-topic here however, is it?
[05:51] <valorie> !info kleo
[05:52] <kb52> You just go to carroll.net and can download the iso that is the only place I can find it.
[05:52] <kb52> Its only a bootable cd about 420MB ...
[05:52] <valorie> exactly, so definitely not on topic
[05:53] <valorie> if you would like to see it packaged in Ubuntu, please file a bug asking for it
[05:53] <valorie> until it is available in the repos, it is not on-topic here
[05:54] <valorie> if you like it, please do that
[05:54] <valorie> I've done it a couple of times, and eventually those good applications are packaged
[05:55] <kb52> Well yes I would since it runs in Ubuntu itself. And someone seemed to mention they have damaged their system by installing somethingm, so it is a great tool to get around such disasters much more easily than having to reinstall everything from scratch.
[05:56] <kb52> So how does one get them to get it put onto the repo?
[05:57] <valorie> as I said, file a bug in launchpad
[05:57] <kb52> What topic is this channel? It says Kubuntu support?
[05:57] <valorie> yes
[05:58] <valorie> installing packages from outside the repos is not supported
[05:59] <kb52> I am hoping it gets packaged with several Distros. Right now it is not a package, it is only an .iso file that you can burn to a cd.
[05:59] <fcomtois> valorie: AFP is Apple Filling Protocol
[05:59] <valorie> ah
[05:59] <fcomtois> valorie: it has nothing to do with Samba except that both are file sharing protocols
[06:00] <valorie> hmmm, no apple anything in mty network
[06:00] <fcomtois> lucky you
[06:00] <fcomtois> haha
[06:00] <kb52> Of course it has to run outside from a live CD or USB stick to have any use at all.
[06:00] <fcomtois> we just have some old legacy snow leopard xserves that are pushing out the files
[06:00] <valorie> when I did have a mac, years ago, it was very difficult to network mac <> windows
[06:00] <kb52> I would like to find an application that can play .MKV files with some success.
[06:01] <valorie> before linux existed
[06:01] <kb52> As well as one that will play .3GP with sound as opposed to without sound.
[06:01] <fcomtois> valorie: linux exists since 1993 haha :P
[06:02] <valorie> well, desktop linux then
[06:02] <kb52> But MAC is actually linux, why is it hard. My G3 finds it easy to get along with windows shares.
[06:03] <fcomtois> it works fine with nautilus
[06:03] <fcomtois> but dolphin is having none of it
[06:03] <valorie> kb52: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38268/how-to-properly-play-mkv-files might help
[06:04] <valorie> fcomtois: unsure
[06:04] <kb52> That seems off topic. But I will go look it up.
[06:04] <fcomtois> yeah... I figured it's not something people are very familiar with nowadays
[06:10] <kb52> That only described issues with smplayer itself. It is perhaps dbus errors that creep up preventing programs like VLC to play them, or maybe just bad. The 3gp issue does not matter, I can play them fine when uploaded to facebook and played back from facebook, and the 3GP ones are all from the video camera anyhow.
[06:12] <kb52> Has anyone an idea why my firewire drive decided to mount and unmount itself repeatedly in PC-MAN FM?
[06:13] <kb52> Rebooting fixed it but never seen such strange behaviour.
[06:14] <fcomtois> kb52: it appears that your firewire drive was literally f*cking your computer :P
[06:14] <valorie> !language
[06:15] <fcomtois> *making love
[06:15] <valorie> sigh
[06:15] <fcomtois> american ?
[06:15] <valorie> I believe it is solid that handles your hardware
[06:15] <valorie> sounds messed up though
[06:16] <kb52> Well its kind of like it was in a loop or something. I suspect it was some sort of dbus error, but acted like hardware but wasnt. After full shutdown and restart its fine now.
[06:17] <kb52>  Now the big experiment of upgrading 1316 packages and see what trouble I fall into from there.
[06:21] <kb52> Was only doing that is PCMANFM so perhaps something down in that was the reason.
[06:23] <kb52> Well I guess I will go cross my fingers. It is the knoppix machine that is getting all the updates to see if it can handle them or not.
[06:24] <kb52> Going off to beddy bye and let it do its thing, and get out of this machine too.
[06:58] <_puddle_> my wifi has stopped connecting to the network. i can see it ,  it tries to connect but fails over and over
[06:59] <_puddle_> it connected for a time today but now is gone again
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:00] <darokthar> Hello, since about one week my dolphin and other qt programs take about 1-2 minutes to start. As soon as they are started everything is fine.
[08:02] <darokthar> I've tried deleting ~/.kde which helped. But it's happening again.
[08:02] <darokthar> I tried some googling, but found nothing which solved my problem.
[08:04] <valorie> what version of kubuntu are you running, darokthar?
[08:04] <valorie> deleting rather than moving ~/.kde is a bad idea
[08:05] <valorie> btq
[08:05] <valorie> I mean, btw
[08:05] <darokthar> In fact i did move it.
[08:05] <valorie> cool
[08:06] <Tm_T> I'd rather create new user for such tests instead of mess the whole ~/.kde
[08:07] <valorie> the reason I ask for version is that as of plasma 5, config files are now found in ~/.config or ~/.local
[08:07] <darokthar> I'm running KDE 4.14.2
[08:07] <darokthar> As moving ~/.kde solved the problem at first, it seems to be the right folder.
[08:08] <darokthar> And at least my kwallet is stored in that directory.
[08:08] <darokthar> And all other settings although.
[08:08] <valorie> so perhaps you are running Kubuntu 14.10?
[08:08] <darokthar> Yes
[08:08] <valorie> ok
[08:09] <valorie> so, you could try with a new user, but moving your .kde folder is equivalent to that
[08:09] <valorie> so what you could try is running the slowly-starting applications from the commandline, and watch the output
[08:09] <valorie> and see what is slowing things down
[08:10] <valorie> maybe `dolphin --debug` or so
[08:11] <valorie> you could also search bugs.kde.org for dolphin bugs and see if there are some hints there
[08:11] <valorie> which is what i usually do
[08:11] <Tm_T> darokthar: is the slowness also when trying to log out or shut down?
[08:11] <Tm_T> as in, could it be dbus?
[08:12] <darokthar> Tm_T i rarely do this. I'll have to try.
[08:14] <darokthar> The fun thing is, that gtk apps start normal. Firefox altough starts normal. Kate, okular, dolphin do not...
[08:15] <darokthar> I klicked on logout. But till now nothing happened.
[08:15] <darokthar> Maybe it takes altough a while.
[08:21] <darokthar> The log out does not seem to work at all.
[08:21] <darokthar> I'll start a reboot.
[08:32] <soee> good morning
[08:38] <_puddle_> morning/evening
[09:05] <darokthar> The general startup of kde is altough as fast as always. Even when dolphin and okular are started from the previous session. It is only slow after KDE is up and i try to start an application.
[09:06] <soee> darokthar: define "slow"
[09:06] <soee> and are we talking about KDE4 or Plasma5 ?
[09:07] <darokthar> kde 4.14.2 slow means over a minute to start dolphin.
[09:07] <darokthar> And it seems moving ~/.kde solves the problem. At least for a while.
[09:08] <soee> oh strange
[09:08] <soee> so it might be related to some previous configuration maybe
[09:08] <darokthar> And the problem is only with kde/qt programs. When starting firefox or gtk apps, they start asap.
[09:09] <soee> darokthar: if you start Dolphin form cli, do you have some warnings maybe ?
[09:10] <darokthar> Lets wait
[09:12] <hateball> And do you get the same behavior starting Konsole?
[09:12] <hateball> Dolphin might try and reach some remote hosts you've bookmarked
[09:12] <darokthar> But this would not be true for okular, or kate
[09:16] <darokthar> soee here is the output of dolphin http://pastebin.com/DFnfzpfc Keine Berechtigung translates to "no Autorization"
[09:20] <darokthar> Ok, it seems to be a problem with iptables.
[09:33] <wmp> hello
[09:35] <wmp> i have question, what is it and how to disable this: http://i.imgur.com/CDtMAH0.jpg
[09:38] <soee> wmp: whee do you have it ? on kubuntu ?
[09:38] <wmp> yes
[09:39] <wmp> on locking session
[09:39] <soee> i havent seen it before, maybe something from plasma active
[09:40] <avtolik> hey guys, do you know why kwalletmanager5 is missing from the kubuntu plasma 5 repo?
[09:40] <avtolik> it seems that I need to, so my wifi password gets saved
[10:02] <soee> avtolik: good morning, it seems that there is no kwalletmanager5
[10:03] <soee> there is only kwalletmanager
[10:04] <avtolik> yes, I found this in some forum:
[10:04] <avtolik> Without KWallet, plasma-nm won't save the passwords
[10:05] <avtolik> and indeed, my wifi passwords are not saved
[10:05] <soee> well true
[10:52] <dtcdarkraven> greetings all, after having done a complete format of my system, i attempted to install Kubuntu back onto my system, however the installer seems to crash whenever i attempt to load up via a pendrive. then the loading screen pops up but is completely stuck at the hard-drive icon..
[11:15] <iconic2_> 2
[11:50] <iconic2_> Do you guys want another website to have a irc web client hosted on?
[11:55] <lordievader> iconic2_: What do you mean?
[11:56] <iconic2_> Well I just got paid for some sub contracting work I did a few weeks back and was going to order either a colo or a vps
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:35] <_puddle_> hi BluesKaj
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hi _puddle_
[12:37] <_puddle_> my wifi has stopped connecting to my ap
[12:37] <sniper338> Hallo! :D
[12:38] <_puddle_> it tries over and over but no
[12:47] <s_20> hi! would it be a terrible idea to upgrade 15.04 now already?
[12:47] <lordievader> s_20: It is still a development release.
[12:48] <lordievader> I.e. not recommended.
[12:48] <s_20> so i suppose i should resist the urge to upgrade my work laptop now already
[12:49] <BluesKaj> s_20, it's not ready for the workplace
[12:49] <s_20> that much work happening in the next 3 weeks?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> s_20, think I'd wait at least a few months after the official release before installing it for the workplace
[12:51] <s_20> BluesKaj: really?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with 14.10 , it's stable and fast
[12:52] <BluesKaj> and still has better features than 15.04 IMO
[12:52] <s_20> BluesKaj: i was looking forward to plasma 5 after having used the kde 4.* series for more than 5 years now ;)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> eye candy isn't everything
[12:52] <lordievader> s_20: In the next 3 weeks it might simply break.
[12:53] <s_20> obviously it isn't, but i think after a few years it's understandablwe if someone wants to see some updated visuals
[12:55] <BluesKaj> s_20, there are all kinds of themes and colours etc available for kde4 , more than you'll ever use
[12:55] <BluesKaj> kde-look.org
[12:55] <s_20> BluesKaj: i think it's no secret there are very few high quality themes available
[12:56] <BluesKaj> that's a matter of taste
[12:56] <s_20> and going on kde-look.org is more like a trip down memory lane these days when it comes to themes, particularly if they haven't been updated since 2010
[12:57] <BluesKaj> even fewer on plasma5
[12:57] <s_20> definitely
[12:58] <s_20> still, i'm looking forward to plasma5 ;)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> well, you do what you want
[13:24] <xennex81> is there a reason why plasma-desktop can take 50% cpu in 14.10?
[13:25] <xennex81> it happens regularly, sometimes after a few minutes into the session
[13:25] <xennex81> i have to fix it by logging out and logging back in
[13:57] <vip> hello there
[13:58] <soee_> hiho
[13:58] <vip> anybody experienced kded5 memory eating?
[13:59] <soee_> someone mentioned it today
[13:59] <vip> oh, great
[13:59] <soee_> vip: 14.10 or vivid ?
[13:59] <vip> vivid, with latest updates
[13:59] <bshah> there are/were bug reports on kde bugzilla..
[13:59] <vip> thank you
[13:59] <soee_> Riddell: ^ this is known i think, iv seen iton rello
[13:59] <soee_> *trello as some recursion goes there ?
[13:59] <vip> hope there is a workaround
[14:00] <vip> (other than alternative desktop manager)
[14:01] <soee_> vip: it works goo for me soe far
[14:01] <soee_> *good
[14:02] <vip> bshah: does you know bug number?
[14:02] <vip> do
[14:03] <bshah> vip: not sure but https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337674
[14:03] <bshah> oh wait
[14:03] <bshah> its about memory
[14:03] <bshah> ignore me
[14:03] <Riddell> vip: fix on its way, apt remove kubuntu-notification-helper   for now
[14:06] <Riddell> hi libregeekingkid
[14:07] <libregeekingkid> Riddell: Hi there
[14:10] <_puddle_> my wifi has stopped connecting to my ap
[14:11] <_puddle_> it tries over and over but no
[14:11] <vip> bshah: thank you
[14:12] <BluesKaj> _puddle_, look in /var/log/syslog for the error
[14:12] <sixtubuntu> hello
[14:13] <sixtubuntu> Any  help me? Torrent download error. -> Access denied, leeching forbidden
[14:14] <BluesKaj> sixtubuntu, ktorrent ?
[14:14] <vip> Riddell: thank you
[14:14] <sixtubuntu> this ubuntu, not kubuntu :/
[14:14] <vip> soee_: thanks to you too
[14:16] <BluesKaj> access denie\d, maybe you need to register on that torrent site, and this is kubuntu support
[14:16] <BluesKaj> sixtubuntu, for ubuntu support  /j #ubuntu
[14:27] <_puddle_> BluesKaj, not sure what to make of it
[14:28] <_puddle_> seems to say its connecting then losing it over and over
[14:28] <BluesKaj> _puddle_, if you found an error post it in pastebin if it's more then 3 lines long'
[14:29] <BluesKaj> _puddle_, check that network manager is using the correct password etc
[14:30] <_puddle_> it's open.  tethering from the phone
[14:30] <_puddle_> italso happens with my usual wifi wifi
[14:31] <BluesKaj> using your phone as a modem ?
[14:33] <_puddle_> hot spot
[14:36] <BluesKaj> sorry, dunno much about phones and the internet
[14:36] <_puddle_> it's just an open wifi ap
[14:37] <_puddle_> currently on it with my raspbery pi
[14:38] <BluesKaj> no matter , I know something about ncomputers and the internet , but not phones
[14:38] <_puddle_> well it connected briefly this evening but won't come back
[14:39] <_puddle_> also when i log in as guest no go
[14:39] <_puddle_> but works booting windows or off a usb
[14:41] <BluesKaj> maybe someone else can help you , sorry i can't
[14:42] <rberg> I would start by looking at the output of 'dmesg' and look for NetworkManager lines in /var/log/syslog to see whats really happening behind the scenes
[14:45] <_puddle_> rberg, can i show you the log?
[14:47] <dtcdarkraven> hello all, ive been having issues installing kubuntu .10 the installer constantly crashes after i boot the usb drive up.., i was wondering if me having an SLI setup could be the couse?.. if not.. what it could be.. and what i can do to properly install kubuntu back onto my system?  ( left pc alone, fresh windows install made it go sleepy.. :P, i asked this question before )
[14:49] <rberg> _puddle_: maybe just make sure nothing confidential is in there.. maybe start by 'tail -F /var/log/syslog' and try connecting
[14:51] <BluesKaj> dtcdarkraven, how did you install the iso on the usb?
[14:52] <dtcdarkraven> using the recomended linux live usb creator ( on win )
[14:53] <dtcdarkraven> had it format ( fat32 ) and used 4g of persistance
[14:53] <BluesKaj> there's a live linux usb creator in windows?
[14:54] <dtcdarkraven> haha, yes there is exually its linked on the kubuntu website aswel.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> dtcdarkraven, you don't need persistence
[14:54] <BluesKaj> just fat32
[14:54] <dtcdarkraven> that is true.., but it would allow me to use a live invirement at other places i might decide to use the thumb drive
[14:55] <dtcdarkraven> could it be cousing an issue?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> dtcdarkraven, afaik persistence isn't needed for any of that
[14:55] <dtcdarkraven> what i ment was, use some software i might install on the pendrive later :)
[14:56] <dtcdarkraven> however if it could be cousing issue's.. i have no problem with removing persistance from the pendrive..
[14:56] <BluesKaj> use partitions
[14:58] <dtcdarkraven> allright.., il try to do it without peristance then.., reading on the website from that peace of software it does state "persistance on selected linux" so it might be the cause..
[15:00] <BluesKaj> dtcdarkraven, yes I've read discussions abouthe persistence bug before ,, but never used it myself
[15:01] <BluesKaj> it's a fat 32 problem with the 4G max
[15:01] <dtcdarkraven> BlueKaj, would you have some "literature" about making partitions on a live usb-pendrive ?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> dtcdarkraven, this seems contradictory, but it's all I could find that's relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/397481/how-to-make-a-persistent-live-ubuntu-usb-with-more-than-4gb
[15:05] <dtcdarkraven> much apreciated
[15:50] <hateball> kwin_x11 crashes for me in 15.04 but #ubuntu+1 doesnt seem very active :|
[15:50] <hateball> it freezes my entire machine for some seemingly random reason
[15:53] <MoonUnit`> this bug turned up last night, might be your problem hateball https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+bug/1434226
[15:54] <hateball> MoonUnit`: hmmm, I am irssing in a VT atm, lets see if I can browse there on my phone
[15:55] <MoonUnit`> temporary fix was to remove kubuntu-notification-helper
[15:56] <hateball> MoonUnit`: ah, nice! I'll give that a go, thanks
[15:57] <MoonUnit`> bug report claims it was fixed 16 minutes ago, no idea when that will be downloadable.
[15:58] <hateball> so far my X session lives
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hateball, next time you freeze try alt-tab, that usually unfreezes the desktop in 15.04
[15:59] <hateball> BluesKaj: It's completely unresponsive when it happens, only managed to even switch to a vtty once
[16:00] <hateball> I'm not even sure what this notification-helper does, I still get notifications in from the tray
[16:00] <BluesKaj> hateball, have you upgraded and dist-upgraded and installed the recommended gpu driver
[16:00] <hateball> even with it removed, that is
[16:00] <hateball> BluesKaj: Yes and yes
[16:01] <hateball> MoonUnit`: Well I've been going longer than I managed before so I guess this was the same bug
[16:01] <BluesKaj> hateball, beta 2?
[16:02] <hateball> BluesKaj: I'm not sure this has a name, I dist-upgrade every one or two days. Anyhow MoonUnit` has already pointed to the bug affecting me
[16:02] <hateball> what a weird thing
[16:05] <hateball> This is what broke it then: 2015-03-31 23:14:35 upgrade kubuntu-notification-helper:amd64 15.04ubuntu2 15.04ubuntu3
[17:06] <MoonUnit`> kubuntu-notification-helper update is now downloadable
[17:09] <vip> great
[17:09] <vip> who needs it anyway?
[17:12] <MoonUnit`> no idea, didn't notice any difference removing it.
[17:19] <lordievader> Supposedly it was giving a memory leak in Vivid.
[17:20] <MoonUnit`> yup caught it last night, machine unusable just after logging in.
[17:22] <lordievader> Sometimes not having an up to date system is usefull ;)
[18:57] <ahoneybun> let me grab one
[19:19] <Erthe> On 15.04 Beta 2, updated kubuntu-notification-helper to 15.04ubuntu4 earlier, and it seems to have resolved a stability issue I had, but I can't get the Alt-F2 run command dialog to appear anymore.
[19:19] <Erthe> Anyone have any hints on how to restore it?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Erthe, right click on the desktop and choose run command
[19:25] <MoonUnit`> alt + f2 works for me, noticed in shortcuts app alt+space works too.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yes same here
[23:49] <yofayce> Hey all


[00:25] <valorie> just got home from the dentist; will go look immediately
 I don't see the email and I even checked the SPAM folder.
 Could my email address potentially be allowlisted?
 I'd check the queue, otherwise if you PM your email address I can forward it to you
 I also vote yes.
[01:03] <valorie> for some reason I've recently gotten NO k-council emails
[01:03] <valorie> checked spam, etc.
 This is confusing. May I suggest (RFC-2119 ;) ) you all move to a public (or private?) lists.ubuntu.com address?
 I don't think I ever received a KC email.  Maybe my LP profile needs updated?
[01:04] <valorie> Rick's link to check it out didn't work for me, and I used my login name: valorie-zimmerman
[01:04] <valorie> oh, I'll look at profile
 https://launchpad.net/~/+editmailinglists
 That magic link works for anyone logged into LP ;)
[01:05] <valorie> in any case, I'm a YES on the extra amount
[01:06] <valorie> thanks @tsimonq2, that worked
 <3
[01:06] <valorie> so the mails were going to my kub account email; evidently that is the link that isn't working
 Anything in the mod queue from me?
 Thanks from me too.   I was not subscribed.
 I'm happy to help :)
[01:10] <valorie> @Rick_Timmis your website link ain't workin'
[01:12] <valorie> Mailing list moderation
[01:12] <valorie> There are no mailing list messages requiring your review.
 o_o whaaaaat
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/16bdf161/file_72079.jpg
[01:13] <valorie> is lists.ubuntu.com on mailman?
[01:13] <valorie> yes, I saw the email in the archives
 I *think* (please verify) that lists.launchpad.net is an earlier iteration of what runs on lists.ubuntu.com today
[01:14] <valorie> there is always a way if one is stubborn enough
[01:14] <valorie> lol
[01:14] <valorie> hmmm
 this is true ;)
[01:15] <valorie> ok, dinner time
 valorie: enjoy :)
 Looks like the vote passed, if anyone is willing, please send a followup to the thread indicating that to Jonathan. To be clear, it needs to be pedantically specific: on 02/02/24, Scarlett shall be authorized for an extra $250, and hereby modify the aforementioned payment schedule to $2250 for the next two. Be as explicit as possible
 The reason I'm being pedantic myself is because it's a legal reference, technically speaking :) not meaning to be overbearing at all, just want to minimize further back and forth
[02:14] <valorie> I can send a new email but since I don't have the thread, can't reply to it
 Which email client?
 Meh, regardless I'd say send *an* email if you're willing Val :)
 This email was a bit of a catch 22 don't you think :D https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg01144.html whoops, glad it's sorted now
[03:48] <valorie> @tsimonq2 I sent the email a few mins ago
[03:49] <valorie> searching for the email thread we discussed on the phone and am not able to find it; when should I look?
[03:50] <valorie> I mean, which month?
 Which one in particular? :)
[03:50] <valorie> vbox
 Ah, sec
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2024-January/002857.html
[03:52] <valorie> ty
 Thank *you* for the followup email to the KC list re: Scarlett and taxman :)
 Er, to Riddell?
 *shrug* hey whatever works ;)
[04:23] <valorie> @tsimonq2 yw. Did you get NO replies to that email?
[04:24] <valorie> the one re: vbox
 https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2024/01/30/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:08
[05:15] <valorie> ah
[05:16] <valorie> vaguely disappointing discussion, although your email was 1. very long & 2. somewhat accusitory
[05:16] <valorie> bullet points are good
 Have replied with a +1 (re @tsimonq2: Thanks :) valorie @RikMills @DarinMiller when you have a second ^^^^)
[08:46] <sgmoore> G'morning all. So it seems somehow<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is being used as my email and I am actually<EMAIL_ADDRESS>now. Please update your contacts lists. Thanks!!!
 Yes, I had the old email in my contacts
 I had a chat with Mauro G, Aaron P and Merlijn from canonical yesterday, they're very excited at what's happening here in Kubuntu
 I also got a bit carried away with the Hugo work, that Carl Schwab had started. I felt his design was a bit too far removed from what we have today, so I did a bit of tweaking. Anyway, short story is, I've mostly rebuilt kubuntu.org in Hugo, and I'll have a demo over the weekend, which I'll host somewhere and share a link
[10:23] <sgmoore> Nice!!!!
[10:24] <sgmoore> I am working on our Bug management story on our brand new Wiki on invent :) If you are not in the team yet I need invent handles to add you.
[10:45] <sgmoore> It is still a WIP but here is a start: https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/docs/-/wikis/Bug-Triage-Story-WIP
[11:14] <RikMills> sgmoore: looks good :D
[11:20] <sgmoore> Thanks!
[11:23] <sgmoore> Also, some food for thought.. I don't know the best place to bring this up, but we need more donation options on our donation page ( pay pal is so last year and the max allowed is 50? ) Obviously I want a job for a long time to come :) I plan on working out a fundraising campaign but need this fixed first.
[11:25] <ricktimmis_> Yes agreed, I'll take an action to look into that and fix it up. Also Valorie was talking about ideas for Fund Rasiing, which I believe the KC thought was also a good idea, so perhaps some thinking on that too.
[12:07] <sgmoore> Awesome!
[12:09] <sgmoore> Adding people to the Kubuntu team as I find them https://invent.kde.org/groups/teams/distribution-kubuntu/-/group_members
[12:10] <sgmoore> Started some workboards, feel free to add :)
[12:16] <sgmoore> I got almost everyone in here but can't find valorie or Mamarok on invent
[12:53] <ricktimmis_> Nice work on the Bug Reporting. I made a couple of edits to the General Advice, as the text was flowing right off the page,and it was hard to read in that code block. HTH
[12:55] <sgmoore> Yeah still working on it, making tables
[12:55] <ricktimmis_> Yes, I'll leave it alone now, just couldn't stop myself wanting to help
 Is the plan for us to move this: https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual
 to this: https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/docs
 ?
 Also @tsimonq2 I +1 for the payment plan.
[12:58] <sgmoore> we can't actually push to those projects :( So we need to sort out hosting that manual somewhere linked to kubuntu.org?
[13:00] <ricktimmis_> You mean we can't push to Github ? i.e it would be better for it to be on Invent ?
 We can push to GitHub just fine.
 I've just been doing releases on GitHub then linking from the website. We did have docs.kubuntu.org at one point.
[13:06] <sgmoore> I mean on invent. The projects are for assinging to workboards only, we can't use them as repos. Weird I know, thats what Ben told me and I found out the hard way.
[13:08] <sgmoore> Keeping it the way we have it seems fine with me.
[13:09] <sgmoore> If it's not broke, no need to fix it :) What really needs fixing is the development docs. Those are way outdated. Like from my days and I know alot has changed.
 Yea I don't think much has been documented. Now there are some that Rick wrote that are in the kubuntu-manual so might need some PR's there or just remove them from the manual.
[13:50] <ricktimmis_> Ah OK Understood about Github, actually I can understand that, and it's fine IMHO
[13:51] <ricktimmis_> No worries on the Manual Aaron, I'll work that into the new site
[14:56] <arraybolt3> so... I guess I'm on the Kubuntu team now :D Just noticed that I was added to the Distribution - Kubuntu group on KDE Invent. Thanks for having me, and hopefully I'll be able to be of some help!
[15:14] <sgmoore> :)
[16:24] <sgmoore> My weekly report: https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/some-exciting-news-kubuntu-im-back/
[16:24] <ricktimmis_> Ooo let me go have a read..
[16:28] <ricktimmis_> What a smashing update, that reads just brilliant. How very exciting, and so good to have you back :-D
 Honeycutt not Hunycutt lol
[16:35] <arraybolt3> just read it, loved it
[16:40] <sgmoore> oops *goes to fix*
 haha
[16:42] <sgmoore> So happy to be back! So exciting!!!!
[16:43] <sgmoore> So I posted on my various social platforms, I don't know is is the social media controller for Kubuntu, but if they could tweet/boost etc that would be super awesome.
[16:43] <sgmoore> I am admin on facebook page, so got that one.
 I have the Mastodon.
[17:01] <sgmoore> Ok, I follow you ( sgmoore )
 I no longer have Twitter since they axed TweetDeck
[17:02] <sgmoore> Just so everyone knows, Fridays will be my short day ( though I do start early :) ) I have church commitments I would like to keep in tact.
[17:04] <ricktimmis_> Q? Do we still have Linode Sponsorship, and Bytemark. Anyone know what we're using the serversfor ?
 I don't think we do?
[17:05] <ricktimmis_> Yes, I remember Linode stopping, but wasn't sure about Bytemark
 Altispeed will host whatever infrastructure we need, if the other option is paying a provider
 We have a datacenter (which I have physical access to) and an account with Digital Ocean
 Lubuntu is actually hybrid Altispeed servers and Thomas Ward's personal server farm :) I think he rents an OVH server
[17:22] <ricktimmis_> I could do with a tinee tiny little webserver to stand the POC of kubuntu.org on
[17:23] <ricktimmis_> Just static pages
 Altispeed also does static site hosting and we have several people with Hugo deploy experience
[17:23] <arraybolt3> just fyi, there's an Oracle Free Tier VPS out there
[17:23] <arraybolt3> for experiments and small stuff, it might suffice for stuff
[17:24] <ricktimmis_> If your able to hook me up Simon, that'd be grand..
[17:24] <arraybolt3> https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/
[17:25] <ricktimmis_> I'll check out the Oracle link too thanks. However, for this demo and altispeed static host would be magic.. Pretty please
 Could the KC please ratify that, then send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with what we're looking for? :)
[17:26] <ricktimmis_> Yep..
 Thanks! Not my call on that particularly, my boss likes audit logs ;)
[19:27] <valorie> @sgmoore - thanks for the contact update
[20:04] <valorie> I set up 2Fa on Gitlab, logged in, and read the blog post - excellent!
[20:12] <valorie> I was just able to use paypal to donate, it still works (hopefully
[21:50] <ricktimmis_> I guess we need to understand where those donations materialise


[12:15] <jodh> /topic Upstart 1.7 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ | Post to mailing list if no response here: http://bit.ly/ooeNVv
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[12:15] <jodh>
[12:29]  * xnox mission impossible theme tune
[12:29] <xnox> upstart one point seven
[12:29] <xnox> tudodoon.
[15:08] <ion> Congrats. /me reads what’s new.
[22:19] <herriojr> quick question: when I write the following script:startx.conf
[22:19] <herriojr> rrr, let me pastebin
[22:20] <herriojr> http://pastebin.com/n2LvMzpQ
[22:21] <herriojr> when I write that script, it doesn't appear to be sending off the startx-started message to initctl so other upstart scripts reliant on it never get executed
[22:22] <herriojr> and for testing, I'm executing it by doing: sudo initctl start startx
[22:26] <phroddon> herriojr: did you try with the -n argument (initctl -n emit ...) ?
[22:28] <phroddon> s/argument/option/
[23:25] <herriojr> -n meaning no-wait?  I don't see it in the man pages
[23:26] <herriojr> oh and I eventually got it working
[23:26] <herriojr> so it's a solved issue at this point
[23:26] <herriojr> thanks though


[02:07] <Sven_vB> hi! is there a way to download just the initramfs + kernel of the current beta live CD?
[13:00] <KOLANICH>  /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu//libpthread.so.0: undefined reference to `__libc_vfork@GLIBC_PRIVATE'
[13:00] <KOLANICH> it also breaks qtcreator https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1846222
[13:00] <KOLANICH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libc/+filebug oopses, so report here
[13:06] <KOLANICH> anyone alive here?