[22:20] <iLogical> my mic volume control defaults it every session, how to stop it?
[22:20] <escott> MissVera, ok. i guess thats correct. does "grep -i nomodeset /boot/grub/grub.cfg" still show your nomodeset stuff?
[22:20] <peggys_mouse> escott: when i had that drive full problem, what drive where they talking about? not related i assume?
[22:20] <escott> peggys_mouse, i dont know. i wasnt there :)
[22:20] <MissVera> peggys_mouse, Mine used to do that. So, I'd try to boot it , have it fail, then take the live media out and boot it, let it fail, then put it back in and reboot, and it would work. Dont know why.
[22:21] <Mikato> guys my cursore was disapear when i installed paralllels tools
[22:21] <Mikato> how to fix that?
[22:21] <Guest68430> :)
[22:21] <MissVera> escott, yes.
[22:21] <peggys_mouse> MissVera: i'll try that
[22:22] <Guest68430> polen
[22:23] <escott> MissVera, ok. then i guess try and reboot again. this time you should see a 5 second countdown timer at some point during the boot. during that timer you can press SHIFT and it should show a grub menu. if it doesn't then grub isn't working
[22:23] <ShayGuy> Sorry, I think my connection went out.
[22:24] <MissVera> OH
[22:24] <MissVera> I LOVE YOU
[22:25] <J-Escobar> Cottus: it is mounting the drive in /media is that a problem? I am also getting an unrecognized option error.
[22:25] <Cottus> np
[22:25] <ShayGuy> Cottus: Last thing from you I got was "ShayGuy, do you have a list with all the wireless networks "
[22:25] <Cottus> yes that one
[22:25] <peggys_mouse> escott: i think i'm hooped. will have to re-install. what a day.
[22:25] <MissVera> escott, ahem  so   GNU GRUB version 1.99-21ubuntu3
[22:26] <CIDR> What do you guys reccomend for watching TV via cable/dvb card ?  no DVR stuff or anything
[22:26] <escott> CIDR, what country are you in?
[22:27] <CIDR> US
[22:27] <MissVera> escott, and at the bottom, press enter to boot the selected OS 'e' to edit the commands befoe booting or 'c' for a command-line.  So! Im in grub. For the first time.   ..ever.. and i've been trying to fix this issue for two days -.-  <3
[22:27] <escott> CIDR, pirate it from europe :)
[22:27] <Cottus> :D
[22:27] <CIDR> Eh, I have cable going right to it, just like to be able to watch the baseball game on one of my monitors
[22:27] <escott> CIDR, in truth getting cable is going to be a pain. most providers don't like to give you the card you need to decrypt
[22:28] <escott> MissVera, what happens when you select one and press enter?
[22:28] <Cottus> J-Escobar, can you tell me "grub-install --version" is it 99 ?
[22:28] <CIDR> I don't need a cable card...
[22:29] <CIDR> Half of it is unecrpted DVB, the other half is still analog
[22:29] <MissVera> escott, which should I select?  There is...   Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic   then  Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic (recovery mode)  then two Memory test options
[22:29] <Cottus> first
[22:29] <escott> CIDR, if you are happy with unencrypted or analog then thats fine
[22:29] <J-Escobar> Cottus: I am not sure sorry. is the command grub-install --boot or should it be grub-install -root ? i found a site online that is showing the same command using root instead of boot.
[22:30] <escott> MissVera, either
[22:30] <MissVera> escott, I just went with the first Ubuntu option.
[22:30] <CIDR> I am, so reccomendations on software?
[22:31] <Cottus> J-Escobar, it's --boot-directory=
[22:31] <escott> CIDR, the v4l project is the place to go for information on hardware http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[22:31] <J-Escobar> Cottus: ok, I am running 10.04 if that helps any.
[22:31] <wolfslord> Can anyone help me with a sound problem?
[22:31] <escott> CIDR, they can also point you at software
[22:32] <MissVera> escott, and Im on a page with quite a few lines of info and it doesnt appear to be going anywhere.  at the top it says something about Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[22:32] <ShayGuy> Cottus: Did you get what I said after that? It was 'Cottus: When I unchecked and then checked that, syslog showed NetworkManager saying "sleeping or disabling..." immediately after recording the check/uncheck.'
[22:32] <escott> MissVera, ok. then back to the livecd
[22:33] <MissVera> escott, did you need any info from this page  of stuff?
[22:33] <Cottus> ok ok , you better ask in ##networking , can you see a list of wireless networks?
[22:33] <escott> MissVera, no. couldn't find the root. thats all we need to know
[22:34] <peggys_mouse> escott: thanks for all your help. i'm giving up for now. will come back tomorrow with a fresh head.
[22:34] <Cottus> J-Escobar, show me a "grub --help"
[22:35] <Cottus> J-Escobar, Sorry , grub-install --help
[22:36] <trololo> =)
[22:36] <Cottus> :P
[22:37] <J-Escobar> Cottus: here it is http://pastebin.com/G2P9yrMU
[22:38] <MissVera> escott, Alright, back in live.
[22:38] <Cottus> J-Escobar, you can try "grub-install --root-directory=/media/thedir/boot /dev/sda"
[22:39] <escott> MissVera, ok. we can go through the whole chrooting process again. if you remember it. sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/ubuntu mount --bind /dev /media/ubuntu/dev same for /proc and /sys
[22:39] <Cottus> J-Escobar, i don't even know if it is a grub problem , you should know that
[22:39] <wizack> I just deleted everything in my home directory by misstake with "sudo rm -rf * ~/.Private/", its about 4 months of hard work so I need professional help here, please do not troll. How do I restore them?
[22:39] <Mikato> ok how via terminal change the directory for example i want into parallels tools?
[22:39] <escott> Cottus, J-Escobar, its --boot-directory
[22:40] <MissVera> escott, I dont remember it, sorry. :x
[22:40] <escott> !undelete | wizack
[22:40] <J-Escobar> Cottus: ok i will give it a shot.
[22:40] <escott> MissVera, peggys_mouse start by mounting the installed ubuntu system with "sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/ubuntu"
[22:40] <escott> MissVera, peggys_mouse then bind mount the special filesystems. "sudo mount --bind /dev /media/ubuntu/dev; sudo mount --bind /sys /media/ubuntu/sys; sudo mount --bind /proc /media/ubuntu/proc"
[22:40] <J-Escobar> escott: the --boot-directory command was not working.
[22:41] <nicfer> hello
[22:41] <escott> J-Escobar, try from a chroot then. i find that easier see ^^^^
[22:41] <Cottus> wizack, also testdisk,
[22:41] <escott> MissVera, J-Escobar, finally sudo chroot /media/ubuntu
[22:42]  * Cottus thinking chroot is the best!
[22:42] <ccolorado> Hello there. I am wondering do apt-cache and / or aptitude save (cache's) the packages it has downloads ? if so where are they  ?
[22:42] <VirtualBlackness> ccolorado: /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:43] <ccolorado> VirtualBlackness: tanks
[22:43] <J-Escobar> Cottus, escort I get this when I try --boot-directory http://pastebin.com/T2QnP6aQ  should I just add sudo chroot before the command and try again?
[22:43] <wizack> escott Cottus Thanks guys. I'm nervous.
[22:43] <escott> wizack, you should be
[22:43] <Cottus> J-Escobar, can you chroot ?
[22:43] <nicfer> one question, I need to install ubuntu on a netbook and I don´t have a usb drive at hand, can I boot from a cd on a remote pc drive?
[22:44] <escott> wizack, since your data is encrypted its going to be hard to even distinguish it from free unallocated space
[22:44] <nicfer> with some kind of network booting
[22:44] <Cottus> :O
[22:44] <J-Escobar> Cottus: when I chroot it just gives me a chroot: missing operand
[22:44] <Cottus> sure
[22:44] <Cottus> ok
[22:44] <Cottus> wait
[22:45] <Cottus> !chroot
[22:45] <i7c> hi. if i install the ge
[22:45] <Cottus> J-Escobar, i'll send you some commands to chroot
[22:45] <escott> J-Escobar, you have a different usage message from me. not sure what version of grub you have. to use the chroot you have to bind mount the special filesystems then chroot in. see the instructions I was giving MissVera above
[22:45] <J-Escobar> Cottus: ok thank you
[22:45] <i7c> sorry. if i install the guest additions in virtual box the virtual system is still completely seperated from my host system, isn't it?
[22:45] <Cottus> np
[22:45] <wizack> Cottus escott: Should I "reboot" or kill the system via the switch?
[22:45] <escott> J-Escobar,  start by mounting the installed ubuntu system with "sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/ubuntu"
[22:46] <escott> J-Escobar,  then bind mount the special filesystems. "sudo mount --bind /dev /media/ubuntu/dev; sudo mount --bind /sys /media/ubuntu/sys; sudo mount --bind /proc /media/ubuntu/proc"
[22:46] <escott> wizack, you are still logged in?
[22:46] <wizack> escott: Yes
[22:46] <aguitel> is there anyway to install cinnamon in 12.04?
[22:47] <escott> wizack, and its not giving you lots of errors?
[22:47] <wizack> escott: No... weird
[22:47] <nicfer> anyone knowing about my question?
[22:47] <escott> wizack, im torn between the "immediate shutdown" and the "maybe some of your data could be pulled from the FUSE VFS memory"
[22:47] <VirtualBlackness> i7c it is completely separated from your host file system, unless you specifically point a virtual folder... however it will (obviously) use a lot of the hw... and there is crossover with regard to the desktop environment (mouse etc)
[22:47] <wizack> escott: It show all my files on the Desktop and so on even if they are not there physically
[22:47] <escott> wizack, if you try and cat them does it give you IO errors?
[22:48] <escott> wizack, it may only allow you to save data from files that you have recently read or have open file handles, but id say your chances of getting anything back are slim
[22:49] <angelixd> okay, I got a really weird issue here
[22:49] <wizack> escott: cat: /home/beloved/Desktop/vinsatser.txt: No such file or directory
[22:49] <angelixd> I just re-installed ubuntu on my thinkpad using a jump-drive live installation
[22:49] <i7c> VirtualBlackness: okay, but that means i dont have to worry that any bad software in the virtual system can affect the integrity of my host? (cuz my virtual system is windows eeew :D)
[22:49] <escott> wizack, ok. in that case just shut it down
[22:49] <wizack> escott: How?
[22:49] <angelixd> and it appears that the master boot record got written to the jump drive instead of my laptop's hard drive
[22:49] <escott> wizack, doesn't really matter
[22:50] <J-Escobar> Cottus: ok i have ran those commands. what is next?
[22:50] <Cottus> source /etc/profile
[22:50] <wizack> escott: I removed with "sudo rm -rf ~/.Private/*"
[22:50] <Cottus> env-update
[22:50] <Cottus> grub-install /dev/sda
[22:50] <wizack> escott: Then everything went black
[22:50] <angelixd> seriously, when I boot up with my jump drive now, my hard drive is registered as the root partition and everything
[22:51] <wizack> escott: What is .Private for?
[22:51] <VirtualBlackness> i7c yes. You can get it as infected as you want. However if you pass files between it and linux, you will want to clean those files before passing them on again to another windows install... but the linux host will remain unaffected.
[22:51] <escott> wizack, it holds the ciphertext for the encrypted home. ie its where the data really was. you deleted your entire home directory
[22:51] <wizack> escott: Shit, I use encrypted LVFS
[22:51] <J-Escobar> Cottus: command env-update was not found.
[22:51] <Cottus> np
[22:52] <schultza> what is the best gui editor for c/c++ programming?
[22:52] <nicfer> sorry for the repetition, but I´m not sure if my messages get published
[22:52] <i7c> VirtualBlackness: thanks for your help :)
[22:52] <escott> wizack, .Private is for ecryptfs. not sure why you would have ecryptfs AND LVFS
[22:52] <angelixd> does anyone know of a good, simple way to write a correct MBR to my hard drive?
[22:52] <red> op security, put ur boot partition on a usb stick
[22:52] <wizack> escott: I was asked upon install.
[22:53] <wizack> escott: Anything I should think of other than the link you gave me?
[22:53] <escott> wizack, pray
[22:53] <Cottus> J-Escobar, you basically entered the system now
[22:53] <wizack> escott: I do that now. Namaste.
[22:53] <escott> angelixd, grub-install /dev/sdX
[22:53] <nicfer> can I now be read?
[22:53] <red> y
[22:53] <OerHeks> yes nicfer
[22:53] <escott> angelixd, what is currently mounted as /?
[22:54] <nicfer> wasn´t identified before
[22:54] <angelixd> escott: /dev/sda1
[22:54] <escott> angelixd, sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[22:54] <wizack> escott: Almost cryed
[22:55] <chipotle_> is there a way to clone my ubuntu part of the hdd (i dual boot with win7) so i can use ubuntu with my new ssd
[22:55] <angelixd> on another note, shouldn't this be handled by the installer?
[22:55] <OerHeks> nicfer " to install ubuntu on a netbook and I don´t have a usb drive at hand, can I boot from a cd on a remote pc drive?" yes you can, connect the drive, boot your netbook and go into bios, it should be availabel in the boot menu
[22:55] <escott> angelixd, sometimes it gets confused
[22:56] <n1ckn4me09876543> when i typed in terminal: $ fbpanel        i get this msg volume: can't open /dev/mixer
[22:56] <n1ckn4me09876543> fbpanel: can't start plugin volume
[22:56] <n1ckn4me09876543>   how can I disable that plugin so i can run fbpanel?
[22:56] <nicfer> it´s a desktop cd reader...
[22:56] <VirtualBlackness> OerHeks: I think he is asking if he can somehow boot over network to another machines DVD.... is that correct nicfer
[22:56] <Cottus> escott, wizack with a testdisk wouldn't it be possible to copy the folder intact?
[22:56] <angelixd> escott: one hell of a thing to get confused about :-/
[22:57] <nicfer> yeah, that´s what i meant
[22:57] <Cottus> escott, at times testdisk does not copy all file but empty
[22:57] <escott> angelixd, or it had some error and just kept chugging along but the mbr never got set up. it happens
[22:57] <ceti331> why does 2-finger swipe for desktopswitching endup being unuseably fast .. is that due to simulated momentum
[22:57] <escott> Cottus, sorry whats the question?
[22:57] <angelixd> well, hopefully this time it worked.  let's see
[22:58] <Cottus> is testdisk enough ? and is it enought to just copy .private ?
[22:58] <VirtualBlackness> nicfer: It would be pretty complicated if you could... you would have to setup a pxe boot and point to it as boot medium... I couldn't walk you through it.
[22:59] <escott> chipotle_, you could just dd it, but only if its the same size. you could copy it. in either case you have to fix various things like bootloaders and /etc/fstab and initrds. you could also do !clone and reinstall
[22:59] <angelixd> escott: thanks for the help.  everything is fine now :-)
[23:00] <escott> Cottus, he deleted .private. it no longer exists to copy
[23:00] <angelixd> is it worth filing a bug or a blog post about this?
[23:00] <devslash> [15:59] (devslash) I'm using ssh to login into my server and starting a copy command but for some reason after about 10 minutes my ssh client says that the connection has become interrupted and the file copy operation stops.  The server is Ubuntu based.  Is there something I can do to have the file copy continue even if I disconnect and reconnect?
[23:01] <escott> angelixd, we definitely dont need another blog post on this. if you want to try and recreate the problem and identify why its happening a detailed bug report would surely be appreciated
[23:01] <MissVera> escott, Okay, I've done the sudo chroot /media/xubuntu
[23:01] <Cottus> escott, nevermind, :" testdist is a program that shows deleted files and let you copy entire directory, however it does not always copy as expected , resulting in some empty files "
[23:01] <escott> angelixd, but a "it happened once when the moon was in the seventh house, and jupiter was rising" isn't going to do much good for anyone
[23:01] <angelixd> escott: fair enough :-P
[23:02] <escott> MissVera, ok. run "sudo blkid | grep sda1" and take note of the UUID (long string of letters and numbers)
[23:02] <devslash> Escott any idea?
[23:03] <MissVera> escott, K, did you want me to type out the UUID?
[23:03] <escott> MissVera, compare that uuid to what is listed in /etc/fstab? does it match? run "grep vmlinuz /boot/grub/grub.cfg and see if it contains root=UUID= that UUID again
[23:03] <escott> MissVera, you dont need to type it
[23:03] <MissVera> escott, do I just type out /etc/fstab to see if it matches?
[23:04] <P-Chan> Youtube videos run faster in my google chrome. How fix it? Linus Torvads solution don't fixed that
[23:04] <escott> devslash, use screen
[23:04] <aaas> what package provides the 'gear' or 'cog' at the top right, or is there an alternative way to log out, my 'gear' seems to be missing
[23:04] <escott> devslash, you can run around nohup'ing everything but screen is going to be a bit nicer
[23:04] <devslash> Screen cp /food/foo2?
[23:05] <escott> MissVera, cat /etc/fstab and look for that UUID
[23:05] <MissVera> escott, I ran the latter command, and I dont see root=UUID= anywhere.  Its only two lines worth of info.
[23:05] <escott> devslash,
[23:05] <escott> devslash, http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935
[23:06] <escott> MissVera, what do those lines look like?
[23:06] <escott> MissVera, in particular what follows root=????
[23:07] <MissVera> escott, cat /etc/fstab has two UUID numbers. one for ext4 and one for swap.  the one under ext4 matches, the one under  swap does not
[23:08] <trism> aaas: indicator-session if you are using unity or gnome-panel with indicator-applet
[23:08] <escott> devslash, basically when you ssh in. run "screen" you get a new bash prompt. if you are disconnected ssh back in. run screen -ls it should list PID.tty#.hostname, and screen -r [TAB] should fill that in so you can reconnect to your disconnected session
[23:09] <escott> MissVera, ok so fstab is correct
[23:09] <devslash> Okay thanks
[23:09] <aaas> trism thanks a bunch that worked easily
[23:10] <escott> MissVera, so the key is that vmlinuz line of the grub.cfg
[23:10] <MissVera> escott, for grep vmlinuz /boot/grub/grub.cfg the two lines, after root.   root=/dev/sda1 ro   quiet splash nomodeset $vt_handoff   and then the other says root=/dev/sda1 ro recover nomodeset
[23:10] <escott> MissVera, odd. sda1 is correct (although not ideal)
[23:11] <SplinterOfChaos> tyz.
[23:11] <escott> MissVera, "grep UUID /etc/default/grub" what does it say?
[23:12] <escott> MissVera, and here when I type UUID i mean "UUID" not the long string
[23:12] <SplinterOfChaos> d
[23:12] <SplinterOfChaos>
[23:12] <SplinterOfChaos>
[23:12] <FloodBot1> SplinterOfChaos: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:12] <MissVera> # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUIS=xxx" paramtere to Linux     #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true
[23:13] <MissVera> escott,   erp.  parameter*
[23:13] <escott> MissVera, so why does yours say /dev/sda1 if that line is commented
[23:13] <MissVera> omg so many types
[23:13] <escott> MissVera, its ok. i got what i needed. the second line begins with a #
[23:14] <MissVera> escott, Uh.  Your guess is as good as mine.  lol...
[23:14] <escott> MissVera, going to start some dinner and ponder next steps
[23:15] <escott> MissVera, its maybe worthwhile to run "update-initramfs"
[23:15] <microcolonel> is there an ubuntu offtopic channel?
[23:15] <nbdntu> why is ubuntu server installer so ugly?
[23:15] <raven> i would like to capture values of a current meter by (web)camera to make statistics. ocr not very helpful yet. anyone who would like to play around a bit?
[23:15] <Myrtti> !ot | microcolonel
[23:15] <beandog> nbdntu: console apps, gotta be able to install it on *anything*
[23:15] <Myrtti> NDPMacBook: it's utilitarian.
[23:15] <MissVera> escott, i tried to update all the packages last night, and it said i ran out of room, so it never did. but that was after the install. Which, was also weird, because I had 50gb of free space.
[23:15] <microcolonel> thank you, Myrtti .
[23:16] <nbdntu> yeah, but installer should try X first... and then console if X fails
[23:16] <nbdntu> *i think*
[23:17] <nbdntu> there is X server available for ubuntu server?
[23:17] <nbdntu> i'll be able to install X later?
[23:17] <MissVera> escott, i tried 'update-initramfs' and id said i need to specify at least one of -s, -u, or -d
[23:17] <beandog> nbdntu: yah you can install it later
[23:18] <devslash> Escott ok I used screen then disconnected from my server and logged back in. How do I reattach to the screen session I started previously?
[23:18] <nbdntu> beandog: thanks! :D
[23:18] <microcolonel> NDPMacBook: of course, ubuntu server is a subset of ubuntu with some tweaks for servers, but it's ultimately connected to the same repositories.
[23:18] <microcolonel> whoopse
[23:18] <microcolonel> sorry NDPMacBook
[23:18] <microcolonel> that was for you nbdntu
[23:18]  * Cottus thinks sometimes disc is full ( inode ) by <- the number of files
[23:18] <microcolonel> :p
[23:18] <microcolonel> I need to sleep
[23:18] <raven> i would like to capture values of a current meter by (web)camera to make statistics. ocr not very helpful yet. anyone who would like to play around a bit?
[23:19] <Cottus> devslash, screen -R
[23:19] <Cottus> i think
[23:19] <escott> devslash, screen -ls should list it, screen -r [TAB] should fill in the name
[23:19] <devslash> Okay thanks
[23:19] <escott> MissVera, -k al
[23:19] <escott> MissVera, -k all
[23:22] <MissVera> escott, it just keeps telling me to specify at leastone of -c, -u, or -d   even though after that if gives a list of options and -k is on them  >.>
[23:22] <raven> i would like to capture values of a current meter by (web)camera to make statistics. ocr not very helpful yet. anyone who would like to play around a bit?
[23:23] <lolly> hello
[23:23] <Cottus> pop
[23:23] <MissVera> escott, i did  update-initramfs -k all    to no avail
[23:23] <escott> MissVera, try -u -k all
[23:23] <lolly> can someone help me?
[23:23] <Guest91071> Raven you can buy meters with RS 232 output and logging software for <$100
[23:24] <cathie> what's wrong lolly?
[23:24] <devslash> Thanks guys its working perfectly now
[23:24] <lolly> i want to install win7 on ubuntu but it has wrong hard disk type or something
[23:24] <lolly> how can i solve dat
[23:24] <paul_> hello folks :)
[23:25] <escott> lolly, what was the exact error message?
[23:25] <MissVera> escott, k. generating /bot/initrd.img-3.2.0-23-generic   and then it just back to the root@xubuntu:/#
[23:25] <lolly> hmm 1 min
[23:25] <MissVera> boot*
[23:25] <MissVera> gdi
[23:25] <aguitel> i am using xfce+cinnamon ,can i remove xfce ?
[23:25] <i7c> aguitel: sure, then you can only log into cinnamon afterwards
[23:25] <lolly> it says for win7 u need NTFS
[23:26] <aguitel> i7c, thanks
[23:26] <escott> MissVera, ok. so im tempted to try and hand edit the grub.cfg. this is probably easiest from a gui so you can cut and paste. so open a new terminal and type "gksudo gedit /media/ubuntu/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[23:26] <i7c> lolly: that is right. you cannot install win7 on the same partition like ubuntu
[23:26] <cathie> let's see if I can get help with something minor.. I'm using ubuntu 10.04 and need to activate ctrl+alt+backspace to work, but it doesn't work.
[23:26] <stopbit> can't figure out why any param will not work http://codepad.org/8vXHAqgA
[23:26] <escott> lolly, ok. boot the livecd and select "try ubuntu" then use gparted to shrink the ext4 partition of ubuntu
[23:26] <aguitel> i7c, how remove all xfce?
[23:27] <MonkeyDust> lolly  don't forget to backup data first, if you start resizing partitions
[23:27] <i7c> aguitel: sudo apt-get remove xfce4     and after that you can run a sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:27] <i7c> aguitel: the second command will remove all unused packages such as xfce plugins
[23:27] <aguitel> i7c, and what about this? :http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu
[23:27] <lolly> ok thanks will try
[23:27] <paul_> any hints on how i can turn unity to 3d ?
[23:28] <MonkeyDust> paul_  you mean the cube?
[23:28] <cathie> What apt do I install to enable control alt backspace to log out?
[23:28] <paul_> i`d like the click and drag between workstations to work
[23:28] <escott> cathie, you would need to make an xorg.conf and enable zapping
[23:28] <zamn> hey i edited my grub2 configuration but for some reason its not taking effect once i restart
[23:28] <MissVera> escott,  *gksudo:11075): Gtk-WARNING ** Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "equinox",
[23:28] <cathie> wow sounds complecated
[23:28] <i7c> aguitel: the one for "xubuntu" should work for you also
[23:28] <escott> zamn, if you edited /etc/default/grub you would need to run update-grub
[23:29] <zamn> i did
[23:29] <escott> MissVera, but the gui should appear
[23:29] <aguitel> i7c, ok
[23:29] <MonkeyDust> cathie  system settings, keyboard, shortcuts .... but it's ot logout, it's stopping X
[23:29] <i7c> aguitel: this one removes a little bit more than the one i told you. also removes programs that come with xfce like editors etc
[23:29] <MonkeyDust> not
[23:29] <MissVera> escott, nothing appeared.. still just on terminal.
[23:29] <raven> i would like to capture values of a current meter by (web)camera to make statistics. ocr not very helpful yet. anyone who would like to play around a bit?
[23:29] <aguitel> n
[23:29] <escott> MissVera, you ran this in a new terminal correct
[23:29] <MissVera> escott, yes.
[23:30] <stopbit> Can some one give me a hand with this snippet of code.  http://codepad.org/25D7zdJa
[23:30] <Cottus> raven, where do you have the output shown? in the screen?
[23:30] <MissVera> escott, also, everytime i tried to gksudo anything, it never worked.  I had to sudo nano.
[23:30] <zamn> stopbit: you're comparing a character to a string
[23:31] <L3top> MissVera: on a whim, can I please have the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA  while I backscroll through your issue?
[23:31] <MissVera> L3top, should I do this in a new terminal? And while you're backscrolling, realize I know nothing about any of this :/
[23:32] <Saiki> can someone tell me where the default location for apache-tomcat is in ubuntu server?
[23:32] <Guest91071> I think Raven is a bot
[23:32] <zamn> Saiki: just find it.  Type in termina: sudo find / -name "apache"
[23:32] <L3top> any terminal will do MissVera... but it looks like escott is on the right track. I just want to eliminate a bad video driver
[23:32] <raven> Cottus yes i capture the watts with a webcam on full 320x240 and i already changed the video input to black/white and very obvious chars but i got no useful value out of the ocr
[23:32] <L3top> as a compounding issue
[23:34] <escott> MissVera, generally not recommended but since this is a livecd nothing is permanent. try "sudo gedit /media/ubuntu/grub/grub.cfg
[23:34] <Saiki> zamn: no results
[23:34] <MissVera> L3top, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controll [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] [1106:7205] (rev 01)
[23:34] <L3top> oh... wow...
[23:34] <zamn> Saiki: try with the wildcard at the end
[23:34] <Cottus> raven, thnx
[23:34] <escott> L3top, we got it to bring up the kernel, but there was no root
[23:35] <raven> Cottus ?
[23:35] <MissVera> escott, sudo: gedit: command not found
[23:35] <Cottus> raven, for the info
[23:35] <escott> MissVera, what is the gui text editor in xubuntu?
[23:35] <Marcin> single user mode in ubuntu
[23:35] <Marcin> how to do that?
[23:36] <escott> MissVera, gvim? if you are comfortable with it?
[23:36] <BHSPitMonkey> Hey all. On some boots, I don't have any sound devices appearing in my Sound preferences. A reboot tends to fix it. Does anyone have a reboot-less workaround suggestion? (Restarting pulse doesn't help.)
[23:36] <lolly> emm... one question i dunno what version of ubuntu do i have so i  downloaded it from official site and now trying to install it on flash for livecd or whatever, is it matters if i have different ubuntu version? can i still use gparted programm?
[23:36] <MissVera> escott, I don't know.  And, I'm using te Voyager edition of Xubuntu, if that helps... Someone had recommended it to me.
[23:36] <BHSPitMonkey> lolly: gparted is available for any version of ubuntu
[23:36] <escott> lolly, you can use your old install cd thats fine
[23:36] <MissVera> escott, I dont know what gvim is :x
[23:36] <lolly> thats a problem cuz i dont have it
[23:37] <L3top> escott: I see... but bringing up unity gui on a km400 is going to be... fun without these issues. The best driver she will have available is the openchrome, and I would not expect more than 2d unity. It is an integrated micro/pico itx board without a lot of umph. Just be mindful if only terminal hits.
[23:37] <escott> MissVera, what is listed in the gui menu under text editors
[23:37] <escott> L3top, she is running xubuntu
[23:37] <Guest91071> Raven why not use a voltmeter that puts out RS-232 and not bother with OCR?
[23:37] <BHSPitMonkey> escott: gvim might be scary for an uninitiated user
[23:37] <L3top> nm then escott. Sorry to intrude
[23:37] <escott> L3top, not a problem
[23:38] <Jordan_U_bak> MissVera: What are you trying to do?
[23:38] <MissVera> escott, I dont even know where/what the gui menu is... I started using linux distro's a week ago.
[23:38] <escott> L3top, if you've got any ideas i would appreciate them. grub.cfg lists root=/dev/sda1 which is correct, but the kernel panic'ed when it couldn't find root on (0,0)
[23:38] <escott> L3top, presumably the full message was couldn't find root on hd(0,0) or something
[23:38] <MissVera> Jordan_U_bak, not fail at life.  I dont even know anymore. One problem leads into another and i dont have any clue whats going on anymore.
[23:38] <BHSPitMonkey> MissVera: the GUI is the graphical interface, as opposed to the command line. A GUI menu means one you can see and click on
[23:38] <Pops> No Voice for me?
[23:39] <ghostchick> gksudo leafpad?
[23:39] <MissVera> Ghostchick
[23:39] <MissVera> This distro hates me
[23:39] <escott> L3top, as MissVera typed it out her panic was: "not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)"
[23:39] <lolly> so?
[23:39] <Jordan_U_bak> escott: The grub.cfg should have root=UUID=foo , not root=/dev/sda1. It sounds like you don't have any initrd (and grub knows that passing root by UUID only works with an initrd, so it doesn't do it). Ubuntu requires an initrd to boot.
[23:40] <ghostchick> Also for gui application it is always preferable to use gksudo ; sudo is for  terminal commands only
[23:40] <escott> MissVera, the hardware is pretty .... special, lets just say special :)
[23:40] <Saiki> zamn: looks like it goes in /usr/share/tomcat6-*  how do I add other pages?
[23:40] <L3top> sorry to backtrack MissVera have you got pastebinit installed? Or can you install it as you have no GUI?
[23:40] <Jordan_U_bak> MissVera: What was the original problem?
[23:40] <MissVera> escott, lol. It's old. It belongs to a group of children. I wanted to find something lightweight for them to do schoolwork on.
[23:40] <zamn> Saiki: what do you mean add other pages? your configuration files should be in /etc/apache or apache2
[23:41] <escott> MissVera, what does "ls /media/ubuntu/boot/init*" say?
[23:41] <MissVera> L3top Ive pastebin'd something before, i put the url in earlier
[23:41] <L3top> it is capable of running... for the record. I have several of them doing various things.
[23:41] <BHSPitMonkey> MissVera: when did the problem start to occur? Right after you installed ubuntu?
[23:41] <escott> MissVera, that was a previous boot. you would have to reinstall it
[23:41] <L3top> MissVera: can you please pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l?
[23:41] <Guest74270> http://imageshack.us/f/85/panel003.png/  can you guys help me what could cause this kind of problem>
[23:42] <L3top> BHSPitMonkey: Xubuntu
[23:42] <Saiki> zamn: apache-tomcat, not apache
[23:42] <MissVera> escott, /media/xubuntu/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-23-generic
[23:42] <zamn> ah
[23:42] <zamn> not sure then
[23:42] <L3top> MissVera: the ? was just to indicate a question, not part of the command
[23:43] <MissVera> L3top, can you remind me of the command?  Would it be..  sudo fdisk -1 | pastebinit    ?
[23:43] <BHSPitMonkey> Guest74270: what's the problem there?
[23:43] <L3top> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit        lower case L not 1
 the icons are doubled
[23:43] <escott> MissVera, im just chasing down something Jordan_U_bak said. can you go back to the terminal that was chrooted (the first one and not the new one) and run "update-grub; grep vmlinuz /boot/grub/grub.cfg" and see if it still says root=/dev/sda1
[23:43] <MissVera> Now I'm getting confused.  Beyond confused. too many people saying commands and ideas at once.
 like a double shadow
[23:44] <BHSPitMonkey> Guest74270: ah, I had to look from a higher angle to see
[23:44] <BHSPitMonkey> bizarre
[23:44] <lolly> escott are they paying u for this kind of job? :)
[23:44] <L3top> MissVera: I am not trying to confuse. Just help. I will wait for you to complete escotts request. I am walking in, he is familiar.
[23:44] <MissVera> L3top, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1072212/
[23:45] <escott> L3top, BHSPitMonkey, Jordan_U_bak for everyone trying to help MissVera. installed on /dev/sda1. kernel panic couldn't find root. grub.cfg lists root=/dev/sda1, /etc/default/grub says use UUID. fstab UUID is correct. initrd is updated. chipset is S3 junk... but that would seem to be unrelated to the kernel panic
[23:46] <L3top> Ty MissVera. Now please follow escott's requests. Further communication from me will be with him.
[23:46] <escott> my only thought was to edit the grub.cfg to list a UUID by hand. im not sure what else it could be except a northbridge driver issue (knowing that this has S3 thats more likely)
[23:46] <L3top> escott: often (esp with these) KP occurs with unrecognized nic.
[23:47] <L3top> escott: though this does not seem related to the message puked
[23:47] <BHSPitMonkey> problem with the installer?
[23:48] <MissVera> escott, on both lines, it doesnt say root=dev   it says root=UUID=longstringof numbers.  on both.
[23:48] <escott> MissVera, ok thats NEW :)
[23:48] <c001> I'm having a lot of difficulty finding wifi drivers for the alfa awus036nhr for unbuntu 11.10 or anything >= the 3.0 kernel
[23:48] <lolly> ok i have a problem, when trying to do livecd thing it says: "Start booting from USB device...
[23:49] <escott> MissVera, maybe we didn't have an initrd before running update-initramfs. now that we do maybe we will get lucky. make sure that UUID matches the previous UUID
[23:49] <lolly> SYSLINUX 3.84 2009-12-18 EBIOS and nothing
[23:49] <escott> Jordan_U_bak, thanks for the pointer on initrd presence
[23:50] <L3top> lolly: what version?
[23:50] <L3top> lolly: of ubuntu I mean
[23:50] <lolly> on usb device or installed on notebook?
[23:50] <escott> MissVera, the one you found with sudo blkid | grep sda1
[23:52] <L3top> lolly: usb...
[23:52] <lolly> newest one i think, that what i downloaded from official site
[23:52] <MissVera> escott, sorry, little confused.  Am I tying sudo blkid | grep sda1  to see if the UUID matches the one i just saw attached to root= ?
[23:52] <escott> MissVera, yes
[23:53] <lolly> i was asking before can i use newest version for live cd if i already have another version installed on notebook
[23:53] <L3top> lolly: the newest one would be quantal.
[23:53] <L3top> the current offical release is 1204 lts
[23:54] <lolly> yeah dat one
[23:54] <MissVera> escott, Yup, it matches
[23:55] <escott> MissVera, ok. lets try another reboot then :) if we get the root up i may leave you to someone else for the inevitable video issues
[23:55] <L3top> Are we still using a 3 yr old iso/syslinux?
[23:57] <MissVera> during boot it took me directly to grub, even though I didnt push shift?
[23:57] <escott> MissVera, thats fine
[23:57] <jvdz> Can anyone point me in the direction of an encrypted file/directory/user-home system where by default the keys are not on the system? E.g. I have a VPS, want to store documents on it. ~/Documents is only unlocked when I (exchange a key over SSH?) unlock it
[23:58] <MissVera> escott, so far, no error screen, and no black screen with a cursor.....    so far its loading it..
[23:58] <MissVera> IT LOADED
[23:58] <escott> jvdz, you could keep your ecryptfs keys on removable media
[23:58] <lolly> i dunno bro, my uncle gaved me his shitty notebook with ubuntu installed on it and said fix it i want win7 on my notebook, i said ok np, i dunno what is version of his ubuntu and so on, all i want is to change type of hard disk on NTFS so i can install dat win7
[23:59] <L3top> !cookie | escott
[23:59] <jvdz> escott: Ecrypt… I will have to look into that.
[23:59] <MissVera> lmao
[23:59] <escott> L3top, thanks!


[12:51] <rickspencer3> hey loco team ... any thoughts about setting up a meetup for Thursday for the release party?
[12:59] <rickspencer3> ChanServ, do you do anything interesting?
[13:00] <ChinnoDog> ChanServ is boring. He has the personality of a robot.
[13:21]  * adom lawls.
[13:21] <rickspencer3> hey adom, ChinnoDog
[13:21]  * adom waves.
[13:21] <rickspencer3> would you guys come out to a little celebration on THursday night?
[13:21] <adom> Whereabouts?
[13:21] <rickspencer3> I'm looking to reserve a table for us at Bread and Soda
[13:22] <rickspencer3> it's on Wisconsin Avenue in Glover Park
[13:24] <adom> that's a 45min drive from my work. i dont get out until 5:30, so i wouldnt get there until 6:15 at the very earliest. more likely closer to 6:45 probably.
[13:24] <adom> if everyone will be tryign to go, i could try to attend as well
[13:25] <adom> but cant guarantee anything yet
[13:26] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I've got plans on Thursday night already :\
[13:26] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, bring them!
[13:28] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: If only! Unfortunatley these plans put me in Southern VA
[13:55] <rickspencer3> ChinnoDog, adom, marcoceppi what do you guys think about me setting a meetup on meetup.com?
[13:55] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: for the release party, or for more regular events?
[13:55] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, for the release party as a start?
[13:56] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I don't really have a problem, with the exception that meetup is a paid for platform
[13:56] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, yeah, I can pay for it
[13:56] <rickspencer3> it may bring some more people into the loco, I was thinking
[13:57] <rickspencer3> arg ... I have to name the meetup group and stuff
[13:57] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, how does "DC Ubuntu Parties" sound for a group name?
[13:57] <rickspencer3> I presume I can change it later
[13:58] <rickspencer3> maybe DC Ubuntu Get Togethers ?
[13:58] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: Ubuntu DC LoCo might be a better umbrela name, or "Ubuntu DC"
[13:58] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, is it ok if I use "LoCo"?
[13:58] <ChinnoDog> Meetup for this purpose seems useful but unnecessary
[13:58] <rickspencer3> I didn't want to be presumptious
[13:59] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I'd recommend at least mailing the ubuntu dc mailing list with this idea too, since only a small amount of us are in IRC
[13:59] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, well, I tried the mailing list, but got rejected because I was not accepted tot he team yet :(
[13:59] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I assume so?
[13:59] <rickspencer3> I'll leave LoCo out of it for now
[13:59] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: that's lame, we really need to figure out who has the power of what in the loco and get some more active bodies in places
[14:00] <rickspencer3> I don't feel like it would be right for me to claim that I represent the Loco
[14:00] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, well, in fairness, I applied like 1 hour ago :)
[14:00] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: ah, that's probably why! ;)
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> I sent a message to the list requesting access to moderate and the response was that all pending membership requests have been taken care of
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> Oh. 1hr ago is not long.
[14:00] <rickspencer3> ChinnoDog, :)
[14:17] <rickspencer3> hey marcoceppi ChinnoDog adom, etc... http://www.meetup.com/DC-DMV-Ubuntu-Meetup-Group/
[15:05]  * marcoceppi joins
[15:37]  * adom joined.
[15:46] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[15:46] <rickspencer3> I'm confirming a venue in a few minutes, then I'll make the invite for the event
[16:06] <rickspencer3> http://www.meetup.com/DC-DMV-Ubuntu-Meetup-Group/events/145669202/
[16:07] <rickspencer3> ChinnoDog, any chance you could send that through the loco mailing list or something?
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> Just wait for them to auth you. If it takes too long I can send a message to the list to nudge them.
[16:10] <rickspencer3> thanks ChinnoDog
[17:56] <adom> rickspencer3: you might want to update bcurtiswx, he's OP here.
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> hey rickspencer3 what can i do for you ?
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> adom, what did he want befre ?
[18:03] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: \o/
[18:04] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: he's waiting for approval on the dc loco list
[18:04] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: also, can you op someone eles in the channel, or add them to chanserv?
[18:06] <bcurtiswx> i can op anyone, but we've approved everyone we have in waiting
[18:11] <rickspencer3> hi bcurtiswx
[18:11] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, I joined the dc loco team this morning (I think)
[18:12] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, and also, I am organizing a little release event
[18:12] <rickspencer3> I would like to invite the loco to that
[18:13] <adom> bcurtiswx: sorry for late response, at work...just that i think ^^^
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, lemme go look, once sec
[18:13] <rickspencer3> thanks bcurtiswx
[18:15] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3,  what is your launchpad id ?
[18:16] <rickspencer3> rick-rickspencer3
[18:16] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, ^
[18:21] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, I don't see it https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-districtofcolumbia
[18:22] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, hmmm
[18:22] <rickspencer3> let me try again
[18:23] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, ok, I have no idea what team I tried to join earlier :)
[18:23] <bcurtiswx> we've had to change our name before, since we're the weird part of the US in that we aren't a state, but a territory
[18:24] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, taxation without representation :)
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> ;)
[20:13] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, so, can you come on Thursday?
[20:13] <bcurtiswx> not looking good for me specifically, things can change tho.
[20:13] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, so what brings you to DC from Seattle ?
[20:14] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, well, we (my wife, son, and I) lived in Alexandria in 90s, before we left so I could work at Microsoft in 1998
[20:14] <rickspencer3> that's why we went to Seattle
[20:14] <rickspencer3> after the boy graduated High School, I had already been working for Canonical for 4.5 years, so ...
[20:15] <rickspencer3> we decided to move back
[20:15] <rickspencer3> my wife didn't love Seattle, but we both love DC
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, ah I'm sorry you had to deal with MSoft ;)
[20:15] <rickspencer3> (we have a daughter now too, but didn't when we left for Seattle)
[20:15] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, almost 10 years there!
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, well then, welcome back :)
[20:15] <rickspencer3> thanks bcurtiswx
[20:16] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, I'd love to be part of other loco events, btw
[20:16] <bcurtiswx> you introduced me to Mr. Shuttleworth at the UDS-O so I'm still thankful for that
[20:16] <rickspencer3> I should have planned this party weeks ago, but I was so heads down driving the phone release
[20:16] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, oh? I don't recall, though I'm sure he does
[20:17] <rickspencer3> sabdfl never forgets anyeone
[20:17] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, i'm not very happy with how touch has taken away from the Desktop, but hopefully when things start getting more "gelled" the Desktop can regain that focus
[20:18] <bcurtiswx> We usually meet once a month in here for formalities as we try to get "official LoCo" status back
[20:18] <rickspencer3> we're not official?
[20:18] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> i'm sure we could, but with how busy everyone is, we haven't attended a "let us back in" IRC chat
[20:19] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, hold on, just took a call
[20:19] <rickspencer3> brb
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, sure thing
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> rickspencer3: I would be curious about the relative merits of living in DC vs Seattle.
[20:50] <rickspencer3> ChinnoDog, then come on Thursday!
[20:50] <rickspencer3> ;)
[20:50] <rickspencer3> we can talk all about it
[20:50] <rickspencer3> personally, I like both places
[20:51] <bcurtiswx> Meteorologically speaking, Seattle's a rainy place, but probably not as rainy as the past week has been
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> I can't on Thursday. :-( I already have plans.
[20:52] <bcurtiswx> Yeah, typically there's two points that have to be met in order for people to show up at events.. A) Metro access and B) Weekends
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> I would be up for it most weekdays but can't this time.
[20:54] <rickspencer3>  bcurtiswx good to note about the metro access, I'll keep that in mind for next time
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> I like having my weekends to myself.
[20:54] <rickspencer3> probably more than 2 days notice too ;)
[20:54] <marcoceppi> we had a small, but successful two outings from just the people in IRC on weekdays, but weekends are way better (and more notice)
[21:22] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, marcoceppi is there a Loco wiki page where I should put the breadsoda thing?
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, haha.. There is
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> the reason i laugh, is that we have a drupal page.. well.. had one.. and Canonical is having a troubled time getting it back up..
[21:24] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/
[21:24] <rickspencer3> oops
[21:24] <bcurtiswx> it's been that way for a good month now
[21:24] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, well, now you have an escalation point :)
[21:25] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, if it helps it's been in purgatory in rt "rt.ubuntu.com #22941"
[21:26] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, I need to go, remind me tomorrow and I'll chase it up :)
[21:26] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, i will try. Have a great evening
[21:26] <rickspencer3> bye!
[21:26] <bcurtiswx> bye
[21:28] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: YOU'RE THE ONE I NEED TO TALK TO
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> marcoceppi, yes?
[21:29] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: IS contacted me a while ago, they can't update it and took it off line because of a plugin incompatibility
[21:29] <marcoceppi> it, the site
[21:29] <marcoceppi> after the forums were comprimised, they went through and upgraded all the properites. They asked me about the site but I didn't know who to mention it to
[21:29] <marcoceppi> and it slipped my mind
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> they contacted you?
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> when?
[21:29] <marcoceppi> before the site was taken offline
[21:30] <marcoceppi> shortly before*
[21:30] <marcoceppi> they can put it back online but the plugin needs to be removed or whatever. Let me find the email
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> i've been on contact with them after that, in e-mail threads, i gave them perm to get it back up with a newer Drupal
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> they told me all that in their initial communication
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> marcoceppi, but, thanks :)
[21:30] <marcoceppi> bcurtiswx: cool
[21:30] <marcoceppi> I can help push it along if need b
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> marcoceppi, OK, Thanks