[12:00] <novaflare> that would be a huge help
[12:00] <novaflare> email prob best bet
[12:00] <novaflare><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:00] <novaflare> now im on a 9kpro agp vid card
[12:00] <hondje> is dcc disabled on freenode, or is it just me?
[12:00] <novaflare> does that make a diffrence
[12:01] <novaflare> and also do i need to install any thing
[12:01] <mattlins> pestilence: I get unable to execute binary file then..
[12:01] <novaflare> drivers libs etc?
[12:01] <Pakal> Hi, I installed Ubuntu Hoary and Im trying to play MP3 and OGG music files with rhytmbox, I installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:01] <pestilence> novaflare: http://rafb.net/paste/results/llqG6N34.html
[12:01] <TriniTriggs> yikes.  mount said: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4, missing codepage or other error.  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[12:01] <Pakal> and the message "not installed plugin" is gone
[12:01] <crimsun> Pakal: so mp3s should work fine.
[12:02] <pestilence> novaflare: that probably won't work for you as-is, you will have to modify it.  but it's a very good start i think.
[12:02] <crimsun> Pakal: ogg vorbis (and ogg flac) is supported out-of-box
[12:02] <Pakal> but I can't select any file
[12:02] <nova> yeh
[12:02] <Jormundgand> I plan to get a new graphics card in the near future. How will Ubuntu cope with the switch?
[12:02] <nova> lcd i seen
[12:02] <hondje> Jormundgand: easier if you get a nvidia one
[12:02] <Jormundgand> hondje: I do.
[12:02] <nova> ill probably need to figure out model etc of my secoundary display etc
[12:02] <TriniTriggs> yay.  I got it
[12:02] <Jormundgand> plan on getting an nVidia one*
[12:02] <hondje> I went nvidia -> nvidia, went fine with debian
[12:02] <crimsun> Jormundgand: you may have to consult wiki/BinaryDriverHowto again
[12:03] <hondje> nothing to mess with, just turn on and off
[12:03] <pestilence> nova: not neccessarily...you just need to know the horiz. and vert. freq ranges
[12:03] <crimsun> Jormundgand: if you stick with the same manufacturer, there shouldn't be any problems.
[12:03] <nuOpus> crimson: Ya ... I rip new stuff to ogg ... but I wish there was some way to convert mp3 to ogg without losing anything. One lossy format to another and you can tell the difference
[12:03] <Curlydave> sup gangstas?
[12:03] <Cybermagellan> What does MOTU stand for?
[12:03] <nova> o ok
[12:03] <nova> thats easy or should be
[12:03] <Curlydave> i dunno, but it's like a server info thing
[12:03] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: Masters Of The Universe.
[12:04] <pestilence> nova: should be.  you could always see what it's at now using the OSD on the monitor, and set the range to be XX-XX where XX is what it's at now :)
[12:04] <Cybermagellan> Jormundgand, for real? In regards to Ubuntu?
[12:04] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: we maintain the 16,000+ packages in universe/multiverse
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> Cybermagellan: for real yes :-)
[12:04] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: Yes. The MOTU are the cabal who keep the universe repo going.
[12:05] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, Jormundgand , is there any specific responsibilities dealing with being a MOTU?
[12:05] <[rSr] Gimp> hey
[12:05] <Amaranth> Cybermagellan: join #ubuntu-motu
[12:05] <Jormundgand> Cybermagellan: No idea, since I'm not one.
[12:05] <Cybermagellan> Ok...
[12:05] <[rSr] Gimp> i tried installing the universe repository but it tried to download it from the internet
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> and im trying to set up my wireless network card so my internet isnt working
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository
[12:06] <nova> yeh is what im doing pestilince heheh
[12:06] <Jormundgand> [rSr] Gimp: What do you mean it tried to download it?
[12:06] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: What kind of wireless
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> d-link dwl-520
[12:06] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: it will go to internet and download headers ... sort of like a catalog so your system knows what is available
[12:06] <[rSr] Gimp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DLinkDWL520E1
[12:06] <nova> crap ill need to boot to windows to get that though
[12:07] <pestilence> nova: ?
[12:07] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: I use one of those on my Desktop machine!
[12:07] <nova> the opsd
[12:07] <[rSr] Gimp> :D
[12:07] <pestilence> nova: it's typically available on the monitor itself.
[12:07] <nova> osd even
[12:07] <[rSr] Gimp> can you help me install it?
[12:07] <nova> my cheapy 2nd displa is in 800x 600
[12:07] <mattlins> Can someone tell me how to install the xorg-x11-deprecated-libs package?
[12:07] <nuOpus> [rSr] Gimp: You can use the linuxand driverloader .... since Dlink purchases a license for it ... you do not have to buy driverloader
[12:08] <nuOpus> and it works better than ndiswrapper
[12:08] <nova> yeh i know
[12:08] <mattlins> I need these for the Netbeans install.
[12:08] <nova> but right now that monitor is in 800x600
[12:08] <[rSr] Gimp> where can i get that?
[12:08] <nova> i need it at 1280x1024 heh
[12:08] <nuOpus> first think you need are the windows drivers
[12:08] <hondje> nova: That's in your xorg.conf file
[12:08] <nuOpus> hold
[12:08] <[rSr] Gimp> i have that card installed on this pc too and its running windows
[12:09] <toxicfume> hi all
[12:09] <LSD> yo whenever i try to play an audio cd i burned using k3b under linux, the damn cd skips at certain intervals. I tried it in 5 different cd players... : - \
[12:09] <nuOpus> download this: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/full/archive/driverloader-2.27/driverloader_2.27_i386.deb
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[12:10] <nuOpus> driverloader lets you use the WinXP drivers that came with your card
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> yay
[12:10] <toxicfume> what are the storage requirements for installing ubuntu? how much free space do i need?
[12:10] <Loevborg> LSD, have you checked whether you've enabled DMA for you cd burner?
[12:10] <LSD> what's DMA?
[12:10] <mattlins> driverloader is awesome
[12:10] <nuOpus> normally you have to pay for it ..... but for all dlink cards its free
[12:10] <goldfish> Direct Memory Access.
[12:10] <[rSr] Gimp> so should i just burn it to a cd and then do ./driverloader_2.27_i386.deb?
[12:10] <nuOpus> no
[12:10] <Loevborg> toxicfume, look at the hoary release notes.
[12:10] <goldfish> LSD: It will make the skipping go away usually.
[12:10] <LSD> and how do i check this dma ?
[12:10] <pestilence> LSD: sudo hdparm -d /dev/cdrom
[12:11] <pestilence> or whatever your cdrom is...
[12:11] <nuOpus> do a sudo dpkg -i driverloader_2.27_i386.deb
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> what do i do with it? :/
[12:11] <nuOpus> and it will install it
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> k
[12:11] <Loevborg> LSD, do: hdparm -d /dev/cdrom | grep using_dma
[12:11] <toxicfume> Loevborg: where can i see the release notes?
[12:11] <nuOpus> tell me wht it says afterwords
[12:11] <Loevborg> toxicfume, that, you'll have to look for on the web site.
[12:11] <[rSr] Gimp> ok ill brb
[12:11] <mattlins> To install the xorg-x11-deprecated-libs package, should I just download the rpm? or is there a better way?
[12:11] <LSD> root@dsl081-050-234:/home/alvaro # sudo hdparm -d /dev/cdrom
[12:11] <LSD> /dev/cdrom:
[12:11] <LSD>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[12:12] <LSD> that's what it says for the first command i was given to use
[12:12] <pestilence> LSD: you are using DMA on that drive, then.
[12:12] <Loevborg> LSD, thenI have no idea what your problem might be
[12:12] <nuOpus> after you instll it you will have to set a rood password at least temporarily. Do a sudo passwd root
[12:12] <LSD> :-\
[12:12] <toxicfume> Loevborg: i'm in the release note page (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/) but there is no mention of any requirements
[12:13] <steven__> when my machine starts, the alsa startup beeps a bunch of times and shows usage options... it says "invalid card ID"
[12:13] <[rSr] Gimp> i have a root password set up
[12:13] <nuOpus> then you go to http://localhost:18020, log in as root with the new password and upload your windows drivers using the web interface
[12:13] <nuOpus> after you are done lock the root account again .... sudo passwd -l root
[12:14] <steven__> when I start with knoppix, I get some error about sound_slot_0
[12:15] <toxicfume> Loevborg: help?
[12:15] <selinium> hondje: I am back!
[12:15] <hondje> and you survived!
[12:15] <toxicfume> I just want to know the minimum space required on harddisk to install ubuntu
[12:16] <toxicfume> (with normal packages, not the server install)
[12:16] <Curlydave> make my cd eject
[12:16] <Curlydave> arg
[12:16] <jay> toxicfume: like 1.2 gb or so iirc
[12:16] <nuOpus> you will like driverloader better than ndiswrapper because things like the link quality actually work in driverloader
[12:16] <hondje> Curlydave: umount -l /dev/hdc?
[12:16] <nuOpus> ndiswrapper always shows 100s%
[12:16] <hondje> since -f isn't working
[12:16] <Loevborg> toxicfume, I remember reading about it in the mailing lists, alas can't find it now.
[12:17] <toxicfume> jay: oh, I wanna know for sure becayse space is a little less
[12:17] <Curlydave> hondje: that doesn't seem to do anything
[12:17] <hondje> can you eject it now?
[12:17] <toxicfume> but how can they have have somethign so simple as a minimum requirements information? :S
[12:17] <hondje> probably not, but worth asking
[12:17] <toxicfume> *not have
[12:17] <jay> toxicfume: well most people have 1gb of space to spare these days...
[12:18] <anne> does anyone know why java says its enabled--but it still does not work for certain accounts?
[12:18] <Curlydave> hondje: I love you
[12:18] <Curlydave> do me now
[12:18] <toxicfume> jay: still, minimum/recommended requirements is a must
[12:18] <toxicfume> anyways
[12:18] <jay> toxicfume: it comes on the cd jackets
[12:18] <Loevborg> toxicfume, one of the devel guys said it was readily available, but I can't find it now, either.
[12:18] <toxicfume> I have a nother question
[12:18] <nuOpus> jay: I know someone that has 4 5gb drives set up in an array
[12:18] <nuOpus> jay: he does not have 1gb to spare
[12:18] <nuOpus> lol
[12:18] <hondje> Curlydave: you got it baby ;-)
[12:19] <jay> nuOpus: some people are indeed very protective of their pr0n ;)
[12:19] <hondje> precious porn
[12:19] <batma8> wow, so why does it keep tellin me i dont have permission to move or copy files
[12:20] <nuOpus> jay: the good ones are like gold
[12:20] <kent> batma8, what files?
[12:20] <toxicfume> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop, but whenever i boot of the ubuntu installation CD, If i boot by default, it won't work, after saying "Uncompressing linux...." or something like that, the screen simply goes blank. I always have to use the "linux acpi=off" parameter, is there a workaround? Or is it okay to boot with the acpi=off parameter?
[12:20] <nickrud> Curlydave, you using nautilus?
[12:20] <kent> batma8, you get to move all files that is yours. The system-files cant be moved unless you use "sudo".
[12:20] <nuOpus> toxicfume: its because of the framebuffer
[12:20] <batma8> a driver file from desktop to etc/ndiswrapper/rt2500
[12:21] <toxicfume> nuOpus: I don't really understand that, but why does it happen? and is there a way around it?
[12:21] <batma8> im just so used to dos, this is frustrating
[12:21] <batma8> eheh
[12:21] <batma8> but im learning
[12:21] <Loevborg> toxicfume, there might be other options you'd want to try that don't disable power management (for example noapic)
[12:21] <kent> batma8, you cant move that file to that folder since its not owned by you.  /etc/ is a system-folder. You hve to move the file with sudo.
[12:21] <toxicfume> Loevborg: i tried noapic, but that didn't seem to work
[12:21] <nuOpus> loevborg: I have this exact prob
[12:21] <nuOpus> loevborg: thats not it
[12:21] <kent> batma8, in a terminal do "sudo mv file /etc/.. "
[12:22] <batma8> thanks bro
[12:22] <batma8> ill give it a shot
[12:22] <jay> toxicfume: manufatuers like to ship buggy acpi implementations.  if power management works with apm then don't work it.  might want to explicitly pass apm=on
[12:22] <nuOpus> toxicfume: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[12:22] <jay> toxicfume: *then don't worry about it, rather
[12:22] <nuOpus> toxicfume: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[12:22] <nuOpus> especially on a laptop that is more likely
[12:22] <nuOpus> when you boot just type that in at the boot prompt and it should work
[12:22] <caonex> I recently installed ubuntu and while I try to boot it, I get the following error: root (hd1,0) filesystem type unknown. Partition type 0xF. Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition. By the way, the root filesystem is a sata drive /dev/sda1 and grub told me it was hd1,0 so i do not think that can be wrong, what could it be?
[12:23] <toxicfume> nuOpus: oh okay
[12:23] <Loevborg> toxicfume, you can try and install, and see if it works after installation without noacpi.
[12:23] <caonex> In addition, the filesystem is reiserfs
[12:23] <toxicfume> nuOpus: and that would work fine? without having to turn my acpi off?
[12:23] <nuOpus> toxicfume: it is same problem on lots of laptops at the school
[12:24] <toxicfume> oh okay
[12:24] <nuOpus> toxicfume: turning off framebuffer during install usually works
[12:24] <toxicfume> nuOpus: will that put any limitation on how ubuntu works on my laptop in the future?
[12:24] <nuOpus> no
[12:25] <nuOpus> it works perfectly after that
[12:25] <Pupeno> How do you enable udp ports on firestarter ?
[12:25] <toxicfume> ah alright thanks :)
[12:25] <toxicfume> one more question
[12:25] <nuOpus> if you want do: linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false noapic
[12:26] <Pupeno> Or is there another firewall application ?
[12:26] <toxicfume> earlier, when i went ahead with the acpi=off param, when it came to network hardware detection, the ubuntu setup could detect my Intel Wireless PRO 2200B/G wireless NIC, but it couldn't find any wireless networks..eventhough there is one. How do I fix that?
[12:26] <Pupeno> hondje: I like it too, but it made my network not work.
[12:27] <goldfish> toxicfume: think u need to set it up with ndiswrapper
[12:27] <nuOpus> toxicfume: what kind of wireless?
[12:27] <nuOpus> if its dlink go with driverloader ... anything else go ndiswrapper
[12:27] <toxicfume> goldfish: what is that? and how do i do that?
[12:27] <toxicfume> nuOpus: you mean the accesspoint?
[12:27] <nuOpus> driverloader is better than ndiswrapper, but unless you have a dlink you must pay for it
[12:27] <nuOpus> no .. what wifi card
[12:28] <toxicfume> Intel Wireless Pro 2200 B/G
[12:28] <nuOpus> Oh.... ndiswrapper
[12:28] <nuOpus> you can just install the windows drivers
[12:28] <Loevborg> toxicfume, intel is supported without ndiswrapper.
[12:28] <nuOpus> oh
[12:28] <nuOpus> or if it is
[12:28] <toxicfume> Loevborg: yeah, but it doesn't detect any wireless networks during the setup :S
[12:29] <goldfish> mine wasn't
[12:29] <toxicfume> it does detect my card on eth0, but not any networks
[12:29] <Loevborg> toxicfume, you need to specify a ESSID/WAP key?
[12:29] <Loevborg> wep :)
[12:29] <robotgeek> toxicfume: can u do a iwlist
[12:29] <toxicfume> Loevborg: yes, it asks me that info, and even after filling it, it doesn't seem to work
[12:30] <toxicfume> robotgeek: how do i do that during the installation process?
[12:31] <Loevborg> toxicfume, switch to a different VT (alt-F2 or something)
[12:31] <robotgeek> toxicfume: open up a terminal windows and do "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[12:31] <toxicfume> Loevborg, robotgeek: alright, it would work fine then?
[12:32] <robotgeek> toxicfume: it will show if your networks
[12:33] <toxicfume> alright, i'll try that shortly
[12:33] <toxicfume> now i'm about to partition my drive(in windows)
[12:33] <carthik> I got the printer working! w00000t!
[12:33] <robotgeek> carthik: awesome!
[12:33] <carthik> anyone with any questions about cups, network printing should be referred to me
[12:33] <carthik> :P
[12:34] <toxicfume> is 2.5gb okay? I'll be using ubuntu for general usage and will be isntalling network auditing/scanning tools
[12:34] <nickrud> carthik, what worked?
[12:34] <carthik> nickrud, well, hmmm
[12:34] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sounds good to me...
[12:34] <thingfish> How long has ubuntu had the 2.6.11-* kernel?  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11 doesn't seem to be available yet.
[12:34] <toxicfume> robotgeek: alright :) And should it be a primary or a logical partition?
[12:35] <robotgeek> carthik: are u the same guy who blogs abt ubuntu? :)
[12:35] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i don't think it really matters
[12:35] <Loevborg> toxicfume, linux dont care bout that.
[12:35] <rafi> How do I get clamav to run?
[12:35] <toxicfume> robotgeek, Loevborg: oh okay, so I can select any?
[12:36] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sure...linux takes care of all that :)
[12:36] <manlina> I updated recently ( hoary fresh install ) from panel icon and my system is now slowish to start some things..gnome-terminal is one of the worst..I dont have my 3d nvidia drivers intsallled yet so is this causing some of this???
[12:36] <toxicfume> and how much big swap parition should i create?
[12:36] <toxicfume> double my mem?
[12:36] <thingfish> manlina: probably.
[12:36] <robotgeek> toxicfume: generally, ppl say 2 x mem
[12:36] <thingfish> toxicfume: depends on how much ram you have.
[12:36] <toxicfume> alright then :) 1gb it is
[12:37] <thingfish> toxicfume: if you have a ton, less need for swap space.
[12:37] <Loevborg> thingfish, that's supposed to be untrue.
[12:37] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i have abt 768mb ram, abt 550 mb is free...running xmms,3 terms and a browser window :)
[12:38] <Taliesin`> hehe
[12:38] <Loevborg> but if you're not running java servelets, you probably don't need to worry too much :/
[12:38] <thingfish> Loevborg: I perhaps should have said that the more ram one has, the less need for the system to use the swap file.
[12:38] <TriniTriggs> hey, how do I change the default apps to open certain file types?
[12:38] <thingfish> *partition
[12:38] <toxicfume> robotgeek: I got 512mb ram, I guess i'll just make swap 1gb
[12:38] <TriniTriggs> (specifically open images with gthumb)
[12:38] <robotgeek> toxicfume: sounds good
[12:39] <thingfish> toxicfume: that'd be about perfect.
[12:39] <japanlover> If I install a Windows program with Wine, where is that program installed?
[12:39] <Loevborg> TriniTriggs, right-click the file in nautilus, open with other application
[12:39] <Loevborg> japanlover, .wine/.....
[12:39] <nickrud> TriniTriggs, right click an image, properties, open with to make it permanent
[12:39] <japanlover> Loevborg, k thanks...
[12:40] <toxicfume> and what File System should the linux partition be? EXT3? or ReiserFS?
[12:40] <TriniTriggs> ah
[12:40] <Jormundgand> What does swap partition size actually affect?
[12:40] <robotgeek> toxicfume: ext3 shud be fine, unless u are experimenting!
[12:40] <anto9us> toxicfume: ext3 seems very popular these days :)
[12:40] <mjr> toxicfume, I'd recommend ext3 if you don't have a reason to do otherwise
[12:40] <TriniTriggs> toxicfume:ext3 is what I've been told; ReiserFS is unstable or something
[12:40] <carthik> nickrud, I installed the printer on a computer as I normally would - then I edited the <Location> </Location> to allow 132.*.*.* and 10.*.*.*. Then sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart. Then installed the printer on the clients, using ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/printers/LaserJet-3200m as the URL and it just worked
[12:40] <carthik> nickrud, I had started from scratch after following another guide. this time, I used my instincts
[12:40] <carthik> the name has to be same at the client, and the sudo before /etc/init.d/cupsys is vital
[12:40] <robotgeek> anyone knows how to change cpu speed?
[12:40] <toxicfume> Ah :) Ext3 then!
[12:40] <count0nz> reiserfs tends to do odd things
[12:40] <Anubis> since when has reiserfs been unstable?
[12:41] <robotgeek> my laptop is running at 500mhz...i want to reduce it's speed...to 300 mhz!
[12:41] <robotgeek> Anubis: :)
[12:41] <count0nz> Anubis, Dono Asy my pc :)
[12:41] <Anubis> I have etx3 for /
[12:41] <nickrud> carthik, yeah, instincts are good, especially when thery're honed by blind alleys :)
[12:41] <count0nz>  /s/asy/ask :)
[12:41] <Anubis> reiserfs for /home
[12:41] <Anubis> ad xfs for media
[12:42] <Anubis> never a problem
[12:42] <count0nz> Anubis, that sounds good...
[12:42] <Anubis> and thats using 4 linux distros
[12:42] <TriniTriggs> Anubis: what's the reasoning behind the different file systems?
[12:42] <Jormundgand> Hmm. I might engage in a thought experiment to see how effectively and easily my school network could be transferred over to Ubuntu.
[12:42] <TriniTriggs> in a nutshell
[12:42] <count0nz> ReiserFS is good tho nice and fast
[12:43] <carthik> robotgeek, are you talking about http://blog.carthik.net ? I blog about a lot of stuff, not just ubuntu, really
[12:43] <nuOpus> okay that was wrong ... apparently ctrl-alt-backspace in a virtual macine in VMWARE does not carry to the virtual session ONLY
[12:43] <nuOpus> lol
[12:43] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, well ext3 is rock solid so its advised for root
[12:44] <nuOpus> ive actually had reiserfs die on me before
[12:44] <robotgeek> carthik: yup, the only post i saw was abt ubuntu..infact, posted a comment as utopicillusion :)
[12:44] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, resierfs is good for many small files, that would be found in your /home...and xfs is good for large multimedia files
[12:44] <robotgeek> carthik: wordpress goodness.
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> ah
[12:45] <Anubis> TriniTriggs, Gentoo documentation goes into detail
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> is ext3 pnelty competent, though?
[12:45] <thingfish> I'll never use reiserfs again.  It blew up on me once, that's more than enough.
[12:45] <TriniTriggs> *plenty
[12:45] <Anubis> very
[12:45] <Anubis> as are the rest
[12:45] <carthik> robotgeek, cool :) Thank you for the comment. Is there any other ubuntu blog out there?
[12:45] <nuOpus> I was compiling a bunch of software one day until I started getting an input/output error ... another console I could cd around and found that I lost my root mount
[12:46] <nuOpus> when I tried rebooting reiserfs was corrupt and an fsck could not fix it
[12:46] <nuOpus> never again reiserfs
[12:46] <thingfish> I hear you.
[12:46] <robotgeek> carthik: havent really searched...was just googling around, came to ur blog. do u do some development work for wordpress?
[12:47] <mjr> I guess while we're bashing reiser, it also blew up on me once, and reiserfsck only fscked it up some more :)
[12:47] <thingfish> hehe
[12:47] <carthik> robotgeek, yes, I do. I write docs too, for wordpress, and other odd jobs.
[12:47] <anto9us> hmmm... googled ubuntu this afternoon, just done it again and it's gone up 40,000 in about 8 hours
[12:47] <manlina> I dunno people maybe it depends on the 'version' of resier used ?..linspire 'claims' to have a indestructible resier4 shipping with linspire five-0
[12:48] <robotgeek> carthik: hey, i am from the same state as you are :)
[12:48] <carthik> robotgeek, thats the best part of being a grad student - you get to live ze good life
[12:48] <TriniTriggs> Suse seems to trust ReiserFS
[12:48] <thingfish> Linspire can have a solid gold CD and I still won't try it.
[12:48] <robotgeek> carthik: me a grad student too :)
[12:48] <TriniTriggs> have they done something different to it?
[12:48] <carthik> robotgeek, I am not from AP. I am from Kerala.
[12:48] <Anubis> http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue55/florido.html
[12:48] <manlina> TriniTriggs, apparantly
[12:48] <IIIEars__> bob2 - Really curious - "Ubuntu servers"  connects to bandit.probe-networks.de is that the way it should be?
[12:48] <Anubis> ext3 slow
[12:49] <Anubis> reisefs
[12:49] <Anubis> fast
[12:49] <Anubis> xfs faster!
[12:49] <carthik> robotgeek, cool, you should blog, too :)
[12:49] <Anubis> generally speaking
[12:49] <Anubis> dependant on use
[12:49] <Anubis> YMMV
[12:49] <robotgeek> carthik: okie...atleast studied in the same place as you!!
[12:49] <Timbo> reiserfs slowest if unreliable
[12:49] <manlina> Anubis, that has been my experience..although ive' never seen corrupt behaivor like others...so far anyway ;-)
[12:49] <robotgeek> carthik: i already do...http://robotgeek.freefronthost.com/blog
[12:49] <crimsun> hehe, grad students living the good life? what universe have I been in?
[12:50] <IIIEars__> newb question. - how do i cd to my desktop from / without typing the comeplete path?
[12:50] <carthik> robotgeek, you from RECW! cool, which batch?
[12:50] <thingfish> now I haven't heard of the stability problems with xfs like I have with reiserfs.
[12:50] <robotgeek> crimsun: i am trying to get finished off with my thesis, no good life
[12:50] <Anubis> this is the most friendly and civil linux user group I have EVER seen!
[12:50] <_hp_> IIIEars: cd ~/desktop i believe
[12:50] <mjr> IIIEars__, cd ~/Desktop
[12:50] <thingfish> robotgeek: you doing a masters?
[12:50] <robotgeek> carthik: sorry, from the same state u studied in!!
[12:50] <carthik> crimsun, it beats wearing a collar and working 8 to 5 :) I get to work Sundays, and of my own free will
[12:50] <TriniTriggs> we're the hippies of Linux
[12:50] <robotgeek> thingfish: yeah
[12:50] <IIIEars__> _hp_ - Thank You
[12:50] <thingfish> robotgeek: cool, what in?
[12:51] <Anubis> there appears to be no egos
[12:51] <robotgeek> thingfish: mechanical engg
[12:51] <Anubis> kudos to tritum and crimsun
[12:51] <_hp_> robotgeek: are you a current mech eng. student?
[12:51] <thingfish> robotgeek: yikes, tough.
[12:51] <TriniTriggs> nobody has used "n00b" yet
[12:51] <Anubis> lol
[12:51] <holly> I'm trying to setup a 5-button mouse to work with X/firefox, and not having much luck.  I've tried all the combinations of ZAxisMapping and xmodmap, but the best I can get is for the scroll wheel to do back/forward.  Any ideas?
[12:51] <robotgeek> _hp_: yeah, me a mechanical engineering student!
[12:51] <anto9us> TriniTriggs: and you had to go and spoil it! ;)
[12:51] <IIIEars__> <<< heh - though some are
[12:51] <thingfish> yes, hopefully this is a "n00b" and "w00t" free zone.
[12:51] <robotgeek> thingfish: true :)
[12:51] <TriniTriggs> and "pwn"
[12:51] <_hp_> robotgeek: that's what i'm going in for next year... double major, math and mech e.
[12:52] <carthik> robotgeek, is your blog at a "free" hosting place?
[12:52] <thingfish> hehe yes that one too, TriniTriggs
[12:52] <robotgeek> carthik: yeah :(
[12:52] <crimsun> carthik: yeah, there's certainly freedom in a non 8-5, though my thesis was much more hectic. Well, until we get down to release at the job, which is just insane.
[12:52] <Torture> hello
[12:52] <robotgeek> carthik: first there were no ads, then they put the ads in there...my site doesn't validate!!
[12:52] <Loevborg> holly, what doesn't work?
[12:52] <goldfish> hey Torture
[12:52] <carthik> crimsun, life in summer is great ;)
[12:53] <anto9us> hi Torture
[12:53] <Torture> wzap
[12:53] <mattlins> Anyone know how I can install the xorg depricated libraries?
[12:53] <Loevborg> holly, maybe you just need to set the right mouse driver (what brand do you have?)
[12:53] <carthik> robotgeek, if you need a new host, let me know. I have this under-used server.
[12:53] <_hp_> carthik: are you offering free hosting here?
[12:53] <robotgeek> carthik,crimsun : me looking to graduate this summer, so a bit hectic
[12:53] <goldfish> holly: followed the howto on the ubntuforums ?
[12:53] <crimsun> robotgeek: understandably.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_ not for every one. Not exactly free. Free if I think someone deserves it.
[12:54] <crimsun> robotgeek: when's your final defense?
[12:54] <_hp_> carthik: oh... i was looking to save some money on my car insur... errr hosting
[12:54] <holly> goldfish, yes, as far as I can tell.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_, I host a few friends, and they pitch in, according to their abilities.
[12:54] <holly> Loevborg, it's a generic USB mouse.
[12:54] <robotgeek> crimsun: i havent scheduled it yet, but sometime during july
[12:54] <crimsun> robotgeek: excellent. Best of luck with that.
[12:54] <carthik> _hp_, I am not professional host. If you want, I can host you for cheaper, but there wont be no 24/7 support :P
[12:55] <robotgeek> crimsun: thanks! then look for a 9 to 5!
[12:55] <carthik> pardon my typos
[12:55] <Torture> anyone know which desktop enviroment uses least resources ..KDE or GNOME ?
[12:55] <_hp_> carthik: i need that, plus i don't really want to move my site and i kind of need a little bit less than a dedicated server
[12:55] <_hp_> Torture: ratpoison
[12:55] <robotgeek> carthik: tech support is available bt doing a apt-get install tech-support :))
[12:55] <Loevborg> holly, what does "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Protocol" give you?
[12:55] <carthik> Torture, I should think XFCE beats both. But among the two - maybe KDE
[12:55] <nuOpus> Torture: ratpoison does take less resources than most others
[12:56] <nuOpus> Torture: But unless you are used to 'screen' ... then it will be a turture for you! lo
[12:56] <holly> Loevborg, ImPS/2
[12:56] <_hp_> except ratpoison ain't pretty...
[12:56] <carthik> _hp_, try servint.com's vps solutions - which is what i use
[12:56] <Torture> n0pus : huhu ;)
[12:56] <nuOpus> If you are used to screen ratpoison is a very good WM
[12:56] <carthik> robotgeek, :)
[12:56] <nuOpus> very minimalistic
[12:56] <robotgeek> nuOpus,Torture,_hp_ : i am not an emacs person, so ratpoison is not very intuitive!
[12:57] <Loevborg> holly, you can try selecting another driver as per "man 4x mouse"
[12:57] <Torture> XFCE was not bad ...but I still wanna hang on to either KDE or GNOME. Im using it for an old iMAC.
[12:57] <_hp_> carthik: it would cost me more for less.. right now i host my site and a few others and have root access and all with lots of bandwith etc...
[12:57] <nuOpus> but if it were KDE or GNOME .... I think GNOME is faster
[12:57] <nuOpus> dont use KDE then
[12:57] <nuOpus> I have used it on an old imac
[12:57] <nuOpus> stick with gnome
[12:57] <Torture> nu0pus: k .... tnx
[12:57] <abood> guys i edited the esd.conf file to enable many application provide sound in the same time, but it didnt worked, i dont know why, does any one can help ?!
[12:58] <nuOpus> installed ubuntu-ppc on an ugly blue imac at the school
[12:58] <nuOpus> lol
[12:58] <Torture> nu0pus: did u have problem with the ethernet module not being loaded  ?
[12:58] <nuOpus> no
[12:58] <holly> Loevborg, thanks, I'll see if that fixes it.
[12:58] <carthik> _hp_, where are you at?
[12:58] <nuOpus> it found everything
[12:58] <Jormundgand> Can I turn off panel hiding animation?
[12:58] <Torture> nu0pus: ubuntu or kubuntu  ?
[12:58] <nuOpus> ubuntu
[12:58] <_hp_> carthik: theplanet.com
[12:58] <nuOpus> although kubuntu is nice ... im not a big fan of KDE
[12:58] <Torture> k,  must be kubuntu thats f*ckin with me
[12:58] <robotgeek> carthik: can i drop you a line later, i am definetly planning to move
[12:59] <_hp_> gnome works pretty good for me... for now
[12:59] <_hp_> i might move to xfce when i get the time
[12:59] <Torture> nu0pus: had to load the 'bmac' module
[12:59] <abood> guys i edited the esd.conf file to enable many application provide sound in the same time, but it didnt worked, i dont know why, does any one can help ?!
[12:59] <nuOpus> it was actually warty we put it on ..
[12:59] <Loevborg> holly, especially ExplorerPS/2 ... maybe "lsusb" gives you a hint.
[12:59] <anto9us> different people use their wm's in different ways and with various takes on different applications in each it's all swings and roundabouts if you ask me. Try each and see how you go
[12:59] <nuOpus> speaking of CD's .... anyone here from the US get their Hoary CD's yet?
[12:59] <crimsun> abood: what did you do?
[01:00] <carthik> robotgeek, sure - you know my blog
[01:00] <carthik> _hp_, I dont see how theplanet is cheaper :)
[01:00] <_hp_> carthik: i got mine a while ago
[01:00] <carthik> _hp_, okay, cool
[01:01] <robotgeek> carthik: bookmarked it, so u'll hear from me about it in abt a month later..okay?
[01:01] <carthik> robotgeek, cool
[01:01] <Djow> Im a first time Linux user, and just installed Ubuntu. I got two monitors though, and im wondering how to set that up. I had a friend down here that has used linux for a while and me messed arond with google and started modifing some text in a file. (didnt help much).  Is there a "easy" way of doing it, or is it to advanced for a total novice user?
[01:01] <nuOpus> action is fluxbox and ratpoison user
[01:01] <nuOpus> oops
[01:01] <nuOpus> haha
[01:01] <spinifex> on a dual boot system, on a modern laptop, should I turn on the bootable flag on ubuntu's root partition?
[01:01] <nuOpus> does not matter
[01:01] <Loevborg> Djow, might be difficult, might depend on your graphics card.
[01:01] <abood> crimsun, i replace the spawn_options with default_options and from -5 to -2
[01:02] <_hp_> Djow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[01:02] <spinifex> nuOpus: that to me?
[01:02] <nuOpus> ya
[01:02] <spinifex> okay.  What will it do anyway?  I'm curious
[01:02] <nuOpus> spinifex: if you install grub on master boot loader ... grub will load the SPECIFIC path anyway ... does not matter bootable flag or not
[01:03] <spinifex> thank you
[01:03] <nuOpus> spinifex: in DOS it was very useful ... in LInux im not sure! lol ive always instlaled lilo or grub in mba
[01:03] <KrisWood> hello
[01:03] <KrisWood> does anyone here know anything about running iptables on ubuntu?
[01:04] <Torture> nu0pus: have u made any optimizations of any sort to speed up your imac linux performance ?
[01:04] <KrisWood> a firewall script I wrote on FC1 doesn't seem to forward ports at all when run on ubuntu :-/
[01:04] <robotgeek> nuOpus: you run ubuntu on a mac right?
[01:04] <nuOpus> Torture: no
[01:04] <nuOpus> robotgeek: heck no
[01:05] <spinifex> heh, has anyone used the "detect my keyboard layout by hitting some keys" feature?  I found that exceptionally magical and fun.  I just typed "n" and it immediately knew I was dvorak
[01:05] <torture> nu0pus: how much ram u got in ?
[01:05] <nuOpus> Only reason I installed it on mac is because my laptop was down, had 5 hours to kill and only pc avail to me at school was an ugly blue imac
[01:05] <nuOpus> and I was hungry to browse the web
[01:05] <KrisWood> I'll take that as no one knows or I don't have +v in this channel...
[01:05] <nuOpus> only reason I installed it was because I had a PPC version that was sent to me from shipit on hand and said ... why not
[01:06] <crimsun> abood: did you log out and back in?
[01:06] <nuOpus> 128mb
[01:06] <anto9us> KrisWood: I'd go for the latter ;)
[01:06] <robotgeek> nuOpus: a live cd would have sufficed?? i was asking because i need to get the gtkpbbuttons working on ppc
[01:06] <torture> nu0pus: I know the feeling. I got the iMac (350) off a work m8 and just wanted it a bit up2date....OS9.1 was fun for 5 minutes.
[01:06] <KrisWood> how do I get +v here?
[01:06] <crimsun> KrisWood: we don't do that.
[01:07] <KrisWood> ah. then how do I get my questions answered lol
[01:07] <spinifex> what does +v do?
[01:07] <goldfish> voice
[01:07] <robotgeek> I am not able to get volume control from the function keys on my laptop working.the bright/dim works though
[01:07] <KrisWood> lol nm then
[01:07] <abood> crimsun, sure, and i did "killall esd" and started an application, also i rebooted my machine, but didnt works
[01:07] <KrisWood> I'll just ask my question again
[01:07] <crimsun> be patient. If someone knows, (s)he'll answer. If not, check the mailing list.
[01:07] <anto9us> KrisWood: sorry, I was teasing :)
[01:07] <crimsun> abood: what are you trying to do?
[01:07] <KrisWood> a firewall script I wrote on FC1 doesn't seem to forward ports at all when run on ubuntu :-/ anyone have any ideas?
[01:08] <toxicfume> nuOpus: hey, I tried the debian-installer/framebuffer=false parameter but it still didn't work, gave the same problem. Nothung would happen after it says Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
[01:08] <KrisWood> is syntax for iptables different on ubuntu?
[01:08] <_hp_> how do i tell synaptic that i don't want to look for my cd when installing stuff?
[01:08] <crimsun> toxicfume: I thought acpi=off worked for you
[01:08] <crimsun> _hp_: just remove the cdrom line
[01:08] <thingfish> _hp_: comment out the cdrom line from your sources.list.
[01:08] <crimsun> KrisWood: no, it's the same. What happens instead?
[01:08] <toxicfume> crimsun: yeah it did, but if i do with..will all acpi features on ubuntu be disabled later?
[01:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: yes
[01:09] <LinuxJones> KrisWood, double check the path that is in your script, I think FC uses a different location for iptables
[01:09] <KrisWood> I get no error when I run the script but no ports get forwarded to the other computers on the network
[01:09] <_hp_> thingfish, crimsun thanks... seems obvious now
[01:09] <KrisWood> yeah I did check the path already
[01:09] <abood> crimsun, im trying to make esd devel to play sound on many application in the same time, like ex: xmms and xine
[01:09] <mirak> hi
[01:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: i don't want that, dont want acpi features disabled
[01:09] <mirak> I am playing a dvd but it's stutring
[01:09] <KrisWood> it's in the same place, oddly enough, /sbin/iptables
[01:09] <mattlins> How do I set my locale to X11 as opposed to CX?
[01:09] <_hp_> when i install xfce through synaptic it should show up in my list at login right?
[01:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: if your hardware is broken, you won't have a choice
[01:09] <mirak> cpu is not even fully used
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: it *should*.
[01:10] <crimsun> KrisWood: have you single-stepped through the script?
[01:10] <toxicfume> crimsun: it's not broken
[01:10] <thingfish> _hp_: in practice, it may not.
[01:10] <KrisWood> how do I do a single step?
[01:10] <crimsun> KrisWood: execute one command at a time
[01:10] <robotgeek> crimsun: :)
[01:10] <KrisWood> ah but first I'd have to know what that is lol
[01:10] <crimsun> toxicfume: you're positive of that?
[01:10] <KrisWood> ooooh
[01:10] <KrisWood> nm
[01:10] <KrisWood> oops
[01:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: well, nothing seems wrong with it, been working great with windows
[01:11] <KrisWood> so you mean don't run it as an sh script
[01:11] <spinifex> whoa, wtf, should i be worried about this?  I'm installing the new release of Hoary Hedgehog, and it appears to have just had a fatal error because I don't have a floppy drive.  "Base system installation error: The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"
[01:11] <_hp_> yeah, it did show up
[01:11] <zoor> Hmm I dont really get the system with sudo. I've just installed the ubuntu OS on my laptop but I cant figure out how to gain access to the updates. When I doubleclick the icon showing that I have updates available it just says that I've pushed in the wrong password. What can I do?
[01:11] <spinifex> the log says "FATAL: Error inserting floppy (blah blah) no such device"
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: there's stuff broken in Windows, too, but we'll never know...
[01:11] <Fator_Dee> spinifex: I don't have a floppy, no problems with that O.o
[01:11] <thingfish> zoor: do sudo passwd and then do stuff like that as root.
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: my suggestion is to check the various hardware databases and see if others report identical symptoms on that hardware
[01:12] <spinifex> it's a textmode dialog.  I can "continue" or "go back"
[01:12] <robotgeek> alrite...me going out now...cya later
[01:13] <_hp_> xfce is a lot faster than gnome
[01:13] <zoor> thingfish, I did try that and It says "sorry, try again" ??
[01:13] <KrisWood> the odd thing is that masquerade is working fine
[01:13] <KrisWood> it's just forwarding that's not
[01:13] <zoor> thingfish, ahhh... I got it *embarrassed*
[01:13] <zoor> :D
[01:13] <zoor> Thanks for the help :)
[01:14] <thingfish> no problemo
[01:15] <spinifex> oh, perhaps the real problem is a read error on the CD.  cripes, guess I've gotta burn it again
[01:15] <Anubis> _hp_, naturally ;)
[01:15] <anto9us> KrisWood: have you looked at firestarter? It's quite good from what I hear, may help shed some light on your problem
[01:15] <KrisWood> I've never heard of it, do you have a url handy? otherwise I'll google it
[01:16] <aquarius> Would it be a good idea to allow people to sign up to shipit.ubuntu.com just to say "please send me one CD whenever there's a new release", i.e., to help keep them up-to-date (rather than to get CDs to distribute to their friends)?
[01:16] <spinifex> oh shit...
[01:16] <anto9us> KrisWood: it's in the ubuntu repositories
[01:16] <crimsun> abood: that should be supported anyhow
[01:16] <KrisWood> ok I'm new to ubuntu it'll take me a while to find that, but I'll give it a try
[01:16] <crimsun> abood: I presume you're using the esound plugin for xmms and for xine?
[01:16] <thingfish> aquarius: that would be kind of handy.
[01:16] <spinifex> oh shit.  I aborted the installation so I could rewrite the CD from windows, but now grub wont load.  Error 15.
[01:16] <KrisWood> here's my port forward lines btw
[01:16] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 10000:60000 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:17] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -s <IP_ADDRESS> -p tcp --dport 10000:60000 -j ACCEPT
[01:17] <thingfish> spinifex: start over.
[01:17] <KrisWood> it worked fine in fedora
[01:17] <spinifex> uh...
[01:17] <aquarius> thingfish: that's what I thought; useful for people stuck on dialup (since broadband people can just upgrade with Update Mgr), especially since Ubuntu says "this is an ubuntu CD, do you want to upgrade?" when you put one in.    I suppose I could download the entire image again and burn it from this machine though..  another half hour
[01:18] <KrisWood> nothing has changed except the OS
[01:18] <KrisWood> netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:18] <aquarius> thingfish: who's best to tell about this idea?
[01:19] <crimsun> KrisWood: and 1 is the content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward?
[01:19] <_hp_> i can't play mp3's in xfce
[01:19] <KrisWood> yup
[01:19] <thingfish> aquarius: I would imagine the best way to get your idea "out there" is to start being involved with the developers' mailing list.
[01:19] <crimsun> KrisWood: are you logging any dropped/rejected packets?
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> hello
[01:20] <thingfish> aquarius: no problem.
[01:20] <crimsun> _hp_: with what player?
[01:20] <KrisWood> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[01:20] <KrisWood> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:20] <marsjays> anyone else experiencing problems with OO.org in breezy? (yes, i know i shouldn't be using that)
[01:20] <KrisWood> hmmmm good point, where does iptables stick its log?
[01:20] <toxicfume> is there anyway i can install ubuntu on my laptop without the acpi=off feature? I don't want to miss acpi features, expecially centrino's speedstep, from my laptop
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> does anyone know why when i try to watch a dvd the video and the voice dont match
[01:20] <_hp_> crimsun: any
[01:20] <brad_> hola
[01:20] <dbasetrinity> ive tryed mplayer and a few others
[01:20] <crimsun> KrisWood: you have to specifically redirect to a log if you want a separate file, else you'll need to check /var/log/syslog
[01:21] <crimsun> _hp_: are they set to use alsa or oss (not esound)?
[01:21] <KrisWood> ok
[01:22] <KrisWood> alright, tailing the log now gonna try to generate some blocked packets
[01:22] <rute> what package gives me (cc) I thought it was part of gcc but I guess not
[01:22] <KrisWood> nothing showing up in the syslog
[01:22] <robertj> rute: build-essentials perhaps?
[01:22] <rute> when I try to do make I get (cc command not found) or something like that
[01:22] <LinuxJones> rute build-essential
[01:23] <anto9us> dbasetrinity: I heard someone say in here the other day that the mplayer binary isn't very good, you might want build it yourself, or try configuring it to drop frames in the video options
[01:23] <rute> robertj, thank you. i should have that by default rite?
[01:23] <robertj> rute: no
[01:23] <rute> LinuxJones, thanks :)
[01:23] <Chambers`> anyone know where i could get the mp3splt gui .deb?
[01:23] <rute> robertj, ok thanks again. apt-get install build-essential ?
[01:23] <robertj> rute: most users never are going to compile diddly-squat
[01:23] <dbasetrinity> thanks anto but im lucky i got it to install i dont really know how to build one
[01:23] <robertj> so instead, they take that space and use it for another foreign language
[01:23] <dbasetrinity> is there something i can read to learn how
[01:24] <TriniTriggs> hey, can xchat go transparent?
[01:24] <rute> robertj, thats a good point i guess :) im fresh off of gentoo so Im not use to apt-get. got alot of reading to do :)
[01:24] <robertj> rute: you can use synaptic as wel
[01:24] <spinifex> rute: synaptic has a good search feature in it
[01:24] <spinifex> you can select a lot of packages to be apt-got at once with it
[01:24] <rute> robertj, I'm sceard of X package managers hehe. i'll check it out though
[01:25] <rute> spinifex, thanks. i'll give it a shot
[01:25] <spinifex> it works pretty well
[01:25] <KrisWood> after a week with ubuntu, coming from redhat/fedora, I'm really liking this apt-get thing heh
[01:25] <KrisWood> very handy
[01:25] <KrisWood> much easier than rpm
[01:25] <thingfish> KrisWood: apt-get is killer.
[01:25] <spinifex> definately.  Best package manager ever
[01:25] <rute> KrisWood, it's nice from what I have used. hard to get use to sudo though :)
[01:25] <svmaris> KrisWood, you could have used apt4rpm on Redhat/Fedora :)
[01:25] <spinifex> but I haven't tried CVS so I can't say that for certain
[01:26] <thingfish> debian anything beats redhat anything.
[01:26] <toxicfume> is there any way i can install ubuntu on my laptop without the acpi=off parameter? I don't want to miss acpi features, expecially centrino's speedstep, from my laptop
[01:26] <rute> thanks again guys. gotta finish this thing up :)
[01:26] <KrisWood> rute there's a root terminal available too
[01:26] <rute> c yahs
[01:26] <rute> KrisWood,  realy?
[01:26] <KrisWood> yup
[01:26] <anto9us> dbasetrinity: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/install.html
[01:26] <KrisWood> applications > system tools
[01:26] <rute> KrisWood, yep there it is :) thats cool
[01:27] <_hp_> damn, kde is 200 MB
[01:27] <KrisWood> svmaris: I usually just use autorpm
[01:27] <KrisWood> still a pain though
[01:27] <brad_> peace muh fuckas
[01:27] <rute> sudo is a cool scheme though. once I get use to it I'll be ok
[01:27] <dbasetrinity> anto9us: thanks for you help
[01:27] <thingfish> I don't like sudo.
[01:27] <rute> thanks again . I'm sure I'll see you all later :)
[01:27] <svmaris> KrisWood, hm .. don't know that one ... we're migrating our servers from Redhat to FreeBSD
[01:27] <thingfish> I'm not used to it, I prefer using root.
[01:27] <KrisWood> I like sudo, once I got used to them
[01:28] <wolverian> one can just sudo -s to root, as well.
[01:28] <KrisWood> it rather
[01:28] <thingfish> I just sudo passwd and now I can use root.
[01:28] <toxicfume> Can ACPI be turned on later in ubuntu after i install ubuntu with acpi=off?
[01:28] <wolverian> thingfish: sudo -s! :)
[01:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure, but it probably won't boot
[01:28] <svmaris> toxicfume, afaik, yes
[01:28] <KrisWood> svmaris it's a perl script that connects to the redhat ftp and checks for new packages
[01:28] <Pupeno> Is there any of those games in which you participate in a story-line-less community, interacting with other playes, buying things, selling ,fighting, etc ?
[01:28] <KrisWood> dunno, it's something one of my old employers used and I snagged it
[01:28] <KrisWood> heh
[01:28] <toxicfume> why is it not properly supported? :S
[01:29] <KrisWood> might be something they wrote themselves
[01:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, just add acpi=off to your grub config before rebooting for the first time
[01:29] <nuOpus> so what do you guys think of kbuntu?
[01:29] <Pupeno> nuOpus: I like, it's what I'm using.
[01:29] <toxicfume> svmaris: but i don't want to miss the acpi features on my laptop
[01:29] <thingfish> being as I don't like KDE, I can't comment on kubuntu.
[01:30] <mirak> is there a way to use the hardware mpeg2 decompression of ATI cards ?
[01:30] <svmaris> toxicfume, as long as your ACPI-features are not supported I'm afraid you'll have to wait (or fix it yourself)
[01:30] <nuOpus> well I dont like KDE either ... im talking about the distro itself
[01:30] <nuOpus> so maybe I could recommend it to kde people
[01:30] <thingfish> isn't it the same as ubuntu, only with kde?
[01:30] <toxicfume> sigh, this is kinda disappointing
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, blame the laptop-manufaturer for selling you a broken ACPI-configuration :(
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> kubuntu is essentially the same thing
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> with KDE
[01:31] <toxicfume> svmaris: nah, it works fine it windows
[01:31] <thingfish> that's what I thought.
[01:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, I can work in Windows and still be broken
[01:32] <svmaris> 'it can'
[01:32] <nickrud> toxicfume, maybe you can get some more info at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[01:32] <toxicfume> svmaris: i'm an end user, and all that matters is it works :)
[01:32] <nuOpus> svmaris: what was issue? I missed it
[01:33] <mez> hey, does anyone here have any experience setting up radio tuners on ubuntu?
[01:33] <svmaris> toxicfume, I know .. but there's nothing much you can do if the companies who made the stuff don't want to tell the developers how it works
[01:33] <toxicfume> nickrud: thanks :)
[01:33] <KrisWood> ok I got firestarter running, now to figure out how to forward specific ports to specific computers on the network
[01:33] <mez> my TV/radio card works out of the box for TV... but cant get it working for radio
[01:33] <calc> toxicfume: its the same issue as IE rendering bad web pages
[01:33] <svmaris> nuOpus, ACPI doesn't work on toxicfume's laptop
[01:34] <toxicfume> yeah i guess
[01:34] <svmaris> toxicfume, ... and the manufacturer probably released Windows drivers to work around the ACPI-bugs
[01:34] <ferchO> hi
[01:34] <ferchO> anyone here have an OvisLink wl-1120 PCM wifi card
[01:35] <svmaris> toxicfume, it has always been a struggle to get new hardware supported in Linux... but we've come a long way
[01:35] <Chambers`> where does wine and winetools go into the menu?  I can't find them anywhere?
[01:36] <nickrud> Chambers`, it doesn't have a desktop entry for the gnome menu.  You can install menu, which will show it in a Debian submenu
[01:36] <ferchO> i went to the drivers download section of  my Ovislink card and they only have drivers for RedHat, why is that
[01:36] <toxicfume> alright then i guess i''ll use ubuntu for a while, until i find a distro that supports acpi
[01:36] <toxicfume> another q
[01:36] <Boohbah> all distros support acpi
[01:36] <svmaris> ferchO, because they don't want to release the source and RedHat is a commercially supported distro
[01:37] <Chambers`> where do I put the shortcut so it shows up?  meaning what directory is the share for the menu at?
[01:37] <KrisWood> ok now that I've got firestarter running, is anyone familiar with running firestarter on an ubuntu box and forwarding bit torrent connections to specific ip addresses within the network?
[01:37] <toxicfume> during the ubuntu setup, the setup can detect my laptop's wireless NIC on eth0, but it can't find any wireless networks, eventhough there is one present. How do I fix that?
[01:37] <rute> where do I put commands to be run at different runlevels with ubuntu?
[01:37] <Chambers`> toxicfume, what type of laptop?
[01:38] <Chambers`> i had that same issue with my compaq x1000
[01:38] <svmaris> toxicfume, as far as I know, configuring the wireless NIC's are done after the install
[01:38] <Chambers`> i just used the wired nic for the install
[01:38] <toxicfume> Chambers`: Acer Aspire 1692, it has the Intel Wireless PRO 2200 B/G wireless NIC (who'se drivers come with ubuntu)
[01:38] <Chambers`> svmaris, naw, the setup lets you pick ESSID's and such
[01:38] <thingfish> how retarded, still no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11.
[01:38] <svmaris> Chambers`, it does? .. missed that one ... even WEP?
[01:38] <toxicfume> yes
[01:39] <rute> ubuntu even configured my tx100 wifi card!! thats awsome since it's a pain to manualy configure
[01:39] <Chambers`> svmaris, yep, even wep :P
[01:39] <toxicfume> but even after entering that info, it wouldn't work
[01:39] <svmaris> Chambers`, cool :)
[01:39] <dampjam> Hey, I'm trying to help a friend set up ubuntu.  Network was working fine until we got video working, and now his wireless pci card is not showing up.  Any reason why NVIDIA drivers would conflict?
[01:39] <ferchO> what is linux-wlan
[01:39] <gigamonkey> Hmmm. I'm trying to install from the 5.04 Install CD on some pretty old hardware and getting stuck at the "Loading additional components" stage.
[01:39] <Chambers`> toxicfume, yeah I couldn't figure it out.  It'd be nice to be able to have a console to put the full path of iwconfig
[01:40] <gigamonkey> It gets to 34% where it is "Unpacking nic-firmware-2.6.10-5-386-di.
[01:40] <Chambers`> my guess is that it's using shared/open instead of the one your AP uses
[01:40] <svmaris> Chambers`, there's a console on alt-f2 during the install, iirc
[01:40] <toxicfume> someone told me to do a iwlist in another terminal...but i get an error saying iwlist: not found :S
[01:40] <Chambers`> svmaris, really? whoa..didn't know that, that could be a way around it then :)
[01:41] <gigamonkey> Then the screen blanks and it comes back to "Loading additional components at 0% again and starts over with nic-firmware-2.6.10-5-386-di and blanks again during the "Unpacking".
[01:41] <Chambers`> brb..gotta get some food
[01:41] <gigamonkey> Any ideas?
[01:41] <svmaris> Chambers`, alt-f2 = console, alt-f3 is install messages
[01:41] <ali4728> Help Apache2 document root points to "/www/apache2-default/" how can I change it?
[01:41] <ali4728> I can not determine which line specifies the doc root..in apache2.conf file
[01:41] <robotgeek> hi...my powerbook crashes on wake up, only sometimes...tips?
[01:42] <Chambers`> toxicfume, try getting to the console and putting in iwconfig ethx essid "youressid" enc open [1]  "yourkey"  I think that's the syntax
[01:42] <Laforge> ok to install apache, php, mysql, and phpmyadmin i need to do apt-get "apache", "php", mysql", "phpmyadmin"
[01:42] <Chambers`> i gotta go get some food
[01:42] <Chambers`> good luck
[01:42] <Chambers`> I'm loving Ubuntu
[01:42] <Daehlie> j
[01:42] <toxicfume> is ESSID same as SSID?
[01:43] <Anubis> Ubuntu is nice
[01:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, yep
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> I have a script to constantly set wifi options, as the card is very dodgy and can suddenly decide to lose them at any minut
[01:43] <toxicfume> thanks Chambers`
[01:43] <Anubis> it just works
[01:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay thanks
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> There's a problem with this, in that I get connected/discoected messages to every console regularly
[01:43] <gigamonkey> Anubis: except when it doesn't. :-(
[01:43] <Dave2|irssi> is there any better way of doing tthis, or a way to suppress the messages?
[01:43] <Anubis> gigamonkey, what happened to yours?
[01:44] <KrisWood> LaForge, there's an apt-get for phpmyadmin?
[01:44] <gigamonkey> Anubis: look back a few messages.
[01:44] <KrisWood> I never knew...
[01:44] <gigamonkey> I can't get past "Loading additional components"
[01:45] <Laforge> kriswood, i dunno that is why i am asking for help
[01:45] <svmaris> gigamonkey, it seems like either your CD or your CD-ROM drive is faulty
[01:45] <KrisWood> heh ok
[01:45] <Laforge> Ok i found apache is apache2
[01:45] <Laforge> but i still need php and mysql
[01:45] <KrisWood> I'm new to ubuntu too
[01:45] <Anubis> gigamonkey, your ununtu is not broken, its not even installed
[01:45] <KrisWood> try in the ubuntu guide
[01:45] <gigamonkey> Anubis: great.
[01:45] <KrisWood> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:45] <Anubis> gigamonkey, what are your hardware spec?
[01:45] <svmaris> gigamonkey, what do you see on alt-f3?
[01:46] <toxicfume> how do i type "iwlist wlan0 scan" during setup? i go to the alt-f2 terminal window and type it..and i get an error that says "iwlist: not found"
[01:46] <[Spooky] > man how do i connect to Internet with PPPOE in Ubuntu ?
[01:46] <gigamonkey> Anubis: P166, 32Megs Very old hardware.
[01:46] <svmaris> toxicfume: does 'iwconfig' work? (without arguments)
[01:46] <gigamonkey> svmaris: I didn't see anything obvious last time. I'm currently trying again to see what I get just as the problem arises.
[01:46] <nickrud> Laforge, try apt-cache search php | grep php
[01:46] <robotgeek> toxicfume: do you have wireless-tooks installed
[01:46] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes iwconfig works
[01:46] <Anubis> gigamonkey, goddamn man my calulator is faster;)
[01:47] <robotgeek> toxicfume: does your card support iwlist function?
[01:47] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i'm doing this during setup
[01:47] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i don't know :S
[01:47] <svmaris> toxicfume, do you use WEP?
[01:47] <gigamonkey> Well, it's not my main box--I'm just trying to put it back in comission for a moment.
[01:47] <Anubis> gigamonkey, here is an idea switch NICs
[01:47] <toxicfume> svmaris: no
[01:47] <robotgeek> toxicfume: setup of wireless card?
[01:47] <svmaris> toxicfume, do you use DHCP?
[01:48] <Anubis> gigamonkey, just turn that box into a router
[01:48] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah i am at that stage
[01:48] <Anubis> gigamonkey, its not desktop material
[01:48] <Anubis> 32mbs
[01:48] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, i do
[01:48] <Anubis> not enough for anything
[01:48] <[Spooky] > how do i connect to Internet with PPPOE in Ubuntu ?
[01:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, and the card is eth1?
[01:48] <gigamonkey> Anubis: Ubuntu claims to only need 28M.
[01:48] <robotgeek> toxicfume: are u using ndiswrapper?
[01:49] <toxicfume> svmaris: no i think it's eth0
[01:49] <Anubis> thats server mode for sure
[01:49] <Anubis> non gui
[01:49] <gigamonkey> svmaris: Alt-F3 has a bunch of insmod line. The last of which is fs/isofs/isofs.ko
[01:49] <toxicfume> robotgeek: i dont think so,...i'm doing this during setup
[01:49] <Anubis> gigamonkey, pull that NIC
[01:49] <Anubis> I'd start there
[01:49] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i joined a bit late, which card are u using?
[01:49] <svmaris> toxicfume, try typing 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed key off essid <your SSID> ap any'
[01:49] <gigamonkey> Anubis: so do I need to do something different during installation?
[01:49] <KrisWood> woot, port forwarding is working using firestarter, thanks everyone!
[01:49] <toxicfume> robotgeek: Intel Wireless PRO 2200 B/G
[01:50] <Anubis> gigamonkey, pull the nic out
[01:50] <gigamonkey> I tried typing "server" at the boot: prompt and got the same result.
[01:50] <ferchO> I am installing a program that needs me to specify the folder with the kernel source code, where is this in Ubuntu
[01:50] <Anubis> it appears to be choking on your nic
[01:50] <svmaris> gigamonkey, weird
[01:50] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay i did that
[01:50] <svmaris> toxicfume, type 'dhclient3 eth0'
[01:50] <Mainframe> Anyone know about the ability of ubuntu/linux to run windows games/programs and how?
[01:51] <Mainframe> I'm just running liveCD now but linux is really begining to impress me and I didnt know if I could use my windows games
[01:51] <Anubis> Mainframe, ubuntuguide
[01:51] <toxicfume> svmaris: error: dhclient3: not found
[01:51] <robotgeek> ferchO: /usr/src
[01:51] <Pupeno> Can anybody help me with guarddog/guidedog or firestarter?
[01:51] <Anubis> Mainframe, cedaga(sp)
[01:51] <thingfish> Mainframe: windows games won't run without something like Wine or Cedega.
[01:51] <svmaris> toxicfume, ugh ... does 'dhclient eth0' work?
[01:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: oh lol, yeah something seems to be working now
[01:52] <[Spooky] > thingfish yes Tactical Ops do...
[01:52] <ferchO> whats the version of the kernel in ubuntu
[01:52] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i use this script to get connected, try issuing these commands one by one
[01:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, does it get an IP address?
[01:52] <gigamonkey> Anubis: okay, I've powered down so I can pull out the NIC, just in the interest of science.
[01:52] <Mainframe> thingfish, I heard about WineX, how's that work in terms of compatability and power?
[01:53] <Anubis> gigamonkey, keep me posted
[01:53] <[Spooky] > anyway im trying to figure out how to connect to internet with PPPOE... anyone use it ?
[01:53] <robotgeek> toxicfume: i'll wait a while, finish whatever u are doing :)
[01:53] <toxicfume> svmaris: it says No DHCPOFFERS receved. No working leases in persistent database.
[01:53] <toxicfume> robotgeek: okay it finished now
[01:53] <robotgeek> toxicfume: this is with wep right?
[01:53] <KrisWood> farewell everyone, and thinks for the help :)
[01:53] <_ron> heyy. I am unable to open Synaptic as it fails saying "Child terminated with status 1". Any ideas?
[01:53] <robotgeek> iwconfig eth0 mode Managed
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> [Spooky] : pppoeconf?
[01:54] <toxicfume> robotgeek; meaning?
[01:54] <robotgeek> iwconfig ra0 key [1]  80211a24bcdef5244001038866
[01:54] <svmaris> toxicfume, sh*t ... does 'iwconfig eth0' shows the address or you accesspoint (ap) ? (right top)
[01:54] <svmaris> s/shows/show/
[01:54] <ferchO> anyone know the kernel version in Ubuntu Hoary
[01:54] <anto9us> Mainframe: you know you can set up your system for dual boot?
[01:54] <_ron> uname -r
[01:54] <svmaris> felis, a patched 2.6.10
[01:54] <[Spooky] > Fator_Dee ok, default in Ubuntu or need to compile ?
[01:54] <Fator_Dee> [Spooky] : default
[01:54] <svmaris> felis, sory
[01:54] <svmaris> ferchO, , a patched 2.6.10
[01:54] <[Spooky] > Fator_Dee ok, im gonna take a look...
[01:54] <toxicfume> svmaris: no it doesn't :(
[01:55] <robotgeek> toxicfume: basically, you have to set your wireless options like keys and stuff before you can get a dhcp offer
[01:55] <Mainframe> anto9us, I've actually got two drives ready to go. One for windows and one for linux, but I just want to see the performance of linux as a system on the whole
[01:55] <svmaris> toxicfume, it says 00:00:00:00:00:00, right?
[01:55] <ferchO> thanks, i am installing a program that needs me to specify the location of the kernel source, is this even on my pc?
[01:55] <_ron> heyy. I am unable to open Synaptic as it fails saying "Child terminated with status 1". Any ideas?
[01:55] <Pupeno> is there a program like firestart/guardog/guidedog that allows to open UDP ports and works ?
[01:55] <Mainframe> anto9us, Would hate to have to keep restarting every time I wanted to play a game or just fuck around
[01:55] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, that is what it says
[01:55] <nickrud> Pupeno, shorewall is in main
[01:55] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah..but ther is no WEP
[01:55] <robotgeek> ferchO: you wud need to isntall the build-essential package
[01:55] <Fator_Dee> _ron: do you have another instance of synaptic open?
[01:55] <Pupeno> _ron: maybe you have a broken apt repository or something like that.
[01:56] <robotgeek> toxicfume: you are not trying to connect to a wep network?
[01:56] <ferchO> argh linux is too complicated
[01:56] <_ron> Fator_Dee, no.
[01:56] <robotgeek> ferchO: slow and steady :)
[01:56] <anto9us> Mainframe: for best performance look for native linux alternatives to your productivity apps, games though, which I never play, I think cedega is the popular option
[01:56] <nickrud> ferchO, what are you installing?
[01:56] <toxicfume> robotgeek: no..the network is unprotected
[01:56] <_ron> Pupeno, Well I cannot even sudo.
[01:56] <Curlydave> hi
[01:56] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm .. let me think
[01:56] <Curlydave> anyone here have doom3 unning on linux?
[01:56] <goldfish> yes
[01:56] <Pupeno> _ron: then there's another lower problem that should be solved first: sudoing.
[01:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: alright :)
[01:56] <robotgeek> toxicfume: iwconfig eth0 essid "essid"
[01:57] <ferchO> nickrud, I need to get my Wifi card working.. Ubuntu didnt install it , the drivers on the cards website are for redhat , I got linux-wlan which is supposed to be a program that installs my card but it asks me for the kernel source to be installed
[01:57] <svmaris> robotgeek, we already did that :)
[01:57] <_ron> Pupeno, it gives: ron is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[01:57] <toxicfume> robotgeek: yeah, as svmaris says
[01:57] <robotgeek> svmaris,toxicfume : sorry!!
[01:58] <svmaris> np
[01:58] <toxicfume> hehe, not a prob :)
[01:58] <Pupeno> ferchO: if there's no package for debian or ubuntu, you need to get the sources.
[01:58] <ferchO> from where
[01:58] <ferchO> ftp.kernel.org ?
[01:58] <Pupeno> _ron: then, you should add the user ron to the sudoers file (it's in some faq of ubuntu/kubuntu)
[01:58] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you try 'iwconfig eth0 ap any' again and then check with 'iwconfig eth0' ?
[01:58] <Pupeno> ferchO: not the linux sources, the driver sources.
[01:58] <Mainframe> anto9us: Thanks for the info. I'll check out cedega and winex
[01:58] <_ron> Pupeno, oh. lol. thank you
[01:58] <robotgeek> svmaris,toxicfume : got to go now...cya later!
[01:58] <ferchO> o_O
[01:58] <nickrud> ferchO, I don't have wireless, so can't help there, but apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 will get you source
[01:58] <svmaris> robotgeek, bye
[01:59] <ferchO> ok thankies
[01:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: tried..still the same :S
[01:59] <Curlydave> hey, does anyoen knwo how to start installing Doom3?
[01:59] <Curlydave> how to use the .run file
[01:59] <nickrud> ferchO, but I'd look a little harder for an ubuntu solution, first :)
[01:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, is there any way you can find out the hardware address of the access point ? (using another, working machine)
[02:00] <Funraiser> Curlydave, do u have the game on a cd?
[02:00] <toxicfume> svmaris: well no, cause the laptop is the only machine with a wireless nic
[02:00] <Curlydave> funraiser: 3 to be exact!
[02:00] <toxicfume> svmaris: is it possible that the wireless nic is not working properly with ubuntu?
[02:00] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you bring the interface down and back up again? (ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up)
[02:00] <robertj> svmaris: arp ipaddress
[02:01] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone knwo who to to the name: thing by clicking on someone's name with X-chat?
[02:01] <svmaris> robertj, he has no networking atm
[02:01] <Funraiser> Curlydave, http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Doom3
[02:01] <Fator_Dee> Curlydave: do you mean tab-completion or something else?
[02:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay, did that
[02:02] <robertj> also, my access point has the default mac address on the bottom
[02:02] <Pupeno> is there a GUI for shorewall ?
[02:02] <svmaris> svmaris, well ... iwconfig finds the card, so I guess it's supported .. and I've got an Intel 2200 aswell that works without problems
[02:02] <Funraiser> Curlydave, type the biginning of the name, and then use tab to finish it
[02:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, still no ap in iwconfig?
[02:02] <toxicfume> svmaris: no :(
[02:02] <Curlydave> ohh, ty Funraiser
[02:02] <Curlydave> parfait
[02:02] <batma8> root@ubuntu:/home/batma8 # ndiswrapper -i Rt2500.INF
[02:02] <batma8> rt2500 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[02:02] <batma8> root@ubuntu:/home/batma8 # ndiswrapper -l
[02:02] <batma8> Installed ndis drivers:
[02:02] <batma8> rt2500  invalid driver!
[02:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, did it ever work before?
[02:03] <Hackmo> Hey all, i've got a problemo with XMMS
[02:03] <batma8> can anyone help me with this problem?
[02:03] <gigamonkey> Anubis: that wasn't it.
[02:03] <toxicfume> svmaris: in windows, yes
[02:03] <srbaker> yo
[02:03] <Curlydave> Funraiser, i'll check otu that link
[02:03] <srbaker> ijust installed a new monitor and want ubuntu to do the autodetection of it again
[02:03] <srbaker> how do i do that?
[02:03] <nickrud> Pupeno, no, it's a text only, but it's in main so it'll get good security support
[02:03] <Anubis> gigamonkey, sorry
[02:03] <Hackmo> It froze when I tried to play an mpeg file and after I closed it, it wont load up again
[02:03] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm ... same card, same settings? Are you absolutely _sure_ that WEP is off?
[02:03] <Fator_Dee> srbaker: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:03] <srbaker> anyone?
[02:04] <srbaker> Fator_Dee, thanks
[02:04] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes i'm pretty sure, windows connects to it automatically, neverever asked me for the WEP
[02:04] <Hackmo> Anyone got any ideas?
[02:04] <thingfish> boy that shows you how close ubuntu is to debian.
[02:04] <Hackmo> without the need to restart my computer/gnome
[02:04] <svmaris> toxicfume, does the laptop have a hardware-button to enable/disable the wlan?
[02:05] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes it does, and it is enbaled i think, cause the installer can detect it
[02:05] <toxicfume> (doesn't complain that the wlan is off (
[02:05] <svmaris> toxicfume, because on my previous laptop, iwconfig would show everything, even if it was turned 'off' with the button .. it just wouldn't work
[02:05] <svmaris> toxicfume, so .. try pushing the button :)
[02:06] <Funraiser> Curlydave, on that links there is the link for doom3linux.com and others
[02:06] <anto9us> Hackmo: you could try deleting your ~/.xmms/config file and starting again
[02:06] <svmaris> toxicfume, I'm trying everything here ;)
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay if you insist :P pushed it
[02:06] <Curlydave> k Funraiser
[02:06] <svmaris> toxicfume, what does iwconfig eth0 say?
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe thanks..no hurry here
[02:06] <Hackmo> anto9us: ok thanks, i'll give it a go
[02:06] <toxicfume> svmaris: says the same
[02:07] <anto9us> Hackmo: sorry, first try killall xmms
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, ok .. try the whole 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed essid <bla> ap auto' again
[02:07] <Curlydave> Funraiser, that tells me how to dl the linux client, but i already have it-do you know how to atulaly start installing?
[02:07] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:07] <Hackmo> anto9us: thanks! that worked
[02:07] <anto9us> :)
[02:07] <toxicfume> svmaris: done
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, because, either the button doesn't work (it's a software-button), or we turned the wlan on
[02:07] <svmaris> toxicfume, still no ap?
[02:08] <toby_> anyone know why isnt ubuntu detecting my laptop battery
[02:08] <nova> hmm
[02:08] <toxicfume> svmaris: nope..still the same
[02:08] <svmaris> toxicfume, f*ck
[02:08] <nova> what would it take to run windows under vmware on unbutu
[02:08] <toxicfume> svmaris: so, what if it's a software btton? how do i get it to work? :s
[02:08] <nova> unbuntu even
[02:09] <svmaris> toxicfume, that's all I have ... if it's a software-button it doesn't work until you install a program to handle it..
[02:09] <anto9us> nova: have you tried qemu?  I think that you can apt-get remove kde-desktop
[02:12] <svmaris> toxicfume, could you try 'iwconfig eth0 rate 11M' and then 'iwconfig eth0 mode managed ap any'
[02:12] <kisain> cool thanx
[02:12] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay..lets hope this works
[02:13] <kisain> hey and if i post a link to a problem i'm having cansome one give me an idea?
[02:13] <svmaris> toxicfume, it probably won't .. but I'm desperate here ;)
[02:13] <_ron> kisain, maybe.
[02:13] <toxicfume> svmaris: ugh, no :(
[02:13] <toby_> where is the /.icons folder  .. anyone know
[02:13] <kisain> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36286
[02:13] <anto9us> nova: you need to add the universe repository, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:14] <svmaris> toxicfume, did you type the SSID correctly? right capitalization and stuff?
[02:14] <happysushi> can some help me: i install adobe acrobat 7.0 and when i click on it, window pops up that says 'cannot launch entry, details: failed to execute child process "acroread" (permission denied)'
[02:14] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, it's 3Com
[02:14] <nickrud> kisain, start with apt-get uninstall --purge libqt-mt
[02:15] <nickrud> *remove
[02:15] <nickrud> :)
[02:16] <Funraiser> happysushi, where do u click?
[02:16] <svmaris> toxicfume, another thing: 'iwconfig eth0 key open'
[02:17] <toxicfume> svmaris: it gave an error
[02:17] <svmaris> toxicfume, oh ? what error?
[02:18] <toxicfume> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device eth0 ; operation not supported.
[02:18] <toby_> i have installed linux-source-2.6.10 ... i would like to know where the src files were placed
[02:18] <nickrud> toby_, /usr/src
[02:18] <kisain> nickrud it says it coulden't find it lol
[02:18] <toby_> thanx
[02:18] <nova> anto9us added universe now what?
[02:19] <kisain> coulden't find the pacage lol
[02:19] <toxicfume> svmaris: do you know what that means?
[02:19] <nickrud> kisain, I don't have kde installed, but you want the lowest level installed library you can get
[02:19] <thingfish> kisain: maybe you have to untar the source.
[02:19] <svmaris> toxicfume, it could be harmless, but I'm google'ing anyway :) .. hold on
[02:19] <kisain> ok well i uninstalled kde but theres one thing that botthers me
[02:19] <nickrud> kisain, doing that to libgtk2.0-0 wants to remove 495 meg of gnome apps :)
[02:19] <toby_> i get this error :/
[02:19] <toby_> Linux source tree /usr/src/ is incomplete or missing!
[02:20] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay, thanks :)
[02:20] <kisain> what about the boot manager the default was set to go into kde lol
[02:20] <thingfish> sorry, toby, maybe you need to untar the source.  What file is currently in /usr/src?
[02:20] <toby_> folder rpm
[02:20] <toby_> and a tar file
[02:20] <Quest-Master> God
[02:20] <thingfish> toby_: what's the name of the tar file?
[02:21] <toby_> linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Firefox has been downloading things absolutely terribly lately
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Terribly as in speed
[02:21] <nickrud> kisain, sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[02:21] <kisain> i'm starting to think bob2 was right software raid 1 is alot of trouble
[02:21] <kisain> brb
[02:21] <thingfish> toby_: ok, that's the source, you need to unzip it.  Do tar jxvf /usr/src/linux-source-(etc)
[02:21] <Funraiser> happysushi, still there?
[02:21] <happysushi> funraiser: i click on applications->office->adobe reader
[02:21] <happysushi> sorry
[02:22] <toby_> okies thank you
[02:22] <thingfish> np
[02:22] <Funraiser> happysushi, ok what did u follow to install it?
[02:22] <Lafitte-> Quest-Master, and its because its firefox ?
[02:22] <_me_> anyone know how to set the region on a dvd drive? not the software the drive itself?
[02:22] <svmaris> toxicfume, just for the hell of it .. would you mind pushing the button again and retry the 'key open'-thing?
[02:22] <toby_> what would a program installation need the kernel source
[02:23] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:23] <nickrud> doh, I'm brain-dead today
[02:23] <thingfish> toby_: some of them do.  What are you trying to install?
[02:23] <Funraiser> happysushi, ok follow this again and don't forget the sudo http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[02:23] <toby_> im installing linux-wlan  to see if that gets my pCMCIA wifi card working...
[02:23] <happysushi> ok lemme look
[02:24] <thingfish> toby_: ah, those often require a lot of computing gymnastics.
[02:24] <toxicfume> svmaris: still doesn't work
[02:24] <toby_> which is bad cause i have 0 experience with linux :/
[02:24] <thingfish> hehe
[02:24] <happysushi> i wasn't installing the plugin, i was installing the whole thing
[02:24] <concept10> computing gymnastics :)
[02:24] <svmaris> toxicfume, same error?
[02:24] <_me_> humm guess not
[02:24] <Funraiser> happysushi, i know but there is both here
[02:24] <happysushi> oh right
[02:24] <happysushi> heh
[02:24] <happysushi> heh
[02:24] <toxicfume> svmaris: yep, exactly
[02:25] <svmaris> toxicfume, "iwconfig eth0 key off"
[02:25] <svmaris> toxicfume, does that work?
[02:25] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes it does
[02:25] <happysushi> i had d/led it from adobe.com and followed the instructions in the readme
[02:25] <_ron> heyy. Um. How do I get the sound working again? (Fresh install)
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron what part of sound doesnt work ?
[02:26] <happysushi> thanks funraiser
[02:26] <svmaris> toxicfume, the docs say 'Managed' instead of 'managed' .. could you try 'iwconfig eth0 mode Managed' and check the ap again? .. this is my last resort
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron  all of it ?
[02:26] <_ron> Lafitte-, it doesn't work at all
[02:26] <mebaran151> is X11 fixed on breezy yet
[02:26] <toxicfume> svmaris: heheh okay
[02:26] <mebaran151> my xserver still refuses to run
[02:26] <_ron> Lafitte-, alsamixer shows nothing... ie.
[02:26] <toby_> whats the terminal command to move a folder to usr/src
[02:26] <mebaran151> what are you trying to moive
[02:26] <Lafitte-> _ron,  do sudo lspci
[02:27] <Lafitte-> _ron,  first see if sound card shows up
[02:27] <mebaran151> it is not a good idea to mess with stuff in usr
[02:27] <toxicfume> svmaris: ah sigh,it's still the same
[02:27] <toby_> the kernel source folder from home/user to usr/src
[02:27] <Funraiser> happysushi, np
[02:27] <mebaran151> better to leave it in your home directory
[02:27] <_ron> Lafitte-, 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:27] <mebaran151> toby_, why not just dll the kernel src from apt
[02:27] <toby_> i did that
[02:27] <mebaran151> messing with permissions isnt any fun
[02:27] <mebaran151> so it puts it in /usr/src automataically
[02:28] <toxicfume> sigh, this isn't going smooth with ubuntu :( no acpi, no wireless...
[02:28] <svmaris> toxicfume, well ... I'm out of ideas ... it's a shame that 'iwlist' is not available. Can you install over the wired network?
[02:28] <toby_> yes it did but i ran tar from my home folder and it copied there
[02:28] <toxicfume> svmaris: yeah  i can
[02:28] <Lafitte-> _ron,  ok  system>admin>device manager  see if its there
[02:28] <toby_> now i wish to move it to where it should be
[02:28] <mebaran151> does Hoary include a prebuilt ndiswrapper
[02:28] <mebaran151> I am thinking of running the install on my laptop
[02:28] <Daehlie> i am having trouble mounting cds under hoary, in that when trying to run mount /dev/hdc /cdrom i get error no block device found, and I am SURE that the drive is secondary master
[02:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, well... install it and try the 'iwlist' thing if the accesspoint actually shows up .. if you need any further help, email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll try to help you
[02:29] <_ron> Lafitte-, It is there.
[02:29] <toxicfume> svmaris: alright, thanks for that, i'll contact you :)
[02:29] <Lafitte-> _ron,   ok    then   goto http://www.ubuntuguide.org/   and install the codecs   and then goto bottom of page wher eit says fix sound
[02:29] <svmaris> toxicfume, no problem .. I'm just doing my part in the Linux Global Domination Scheme ;)
[02:29] <anto9us> mebaran151: yes
[02:30] <Lafitte-> _ron see if that does it for you
[02:30] <toby_> on the folders browser window is there an option to add arrows under the menubar just like window for easier browsing?
[02:30] <toxicfume> the thing is...even with the wired network DHCP doesn't seem to work :( eventhough DHCP is turned on in the host machine
[02:30] <toxicfume> setup makes me manully configure..which i could..but DHCP should work right?
[02:31] <svmaris> toxicfume, yeah.. it should, dhcp is done by another machine? .. or the accesspoint?
[02:31] <toxicfume> svmaris: both have dhcp
[02:32] <Lafitte-> How to upgrade from Hoary Hedgehog to Breezy Badger (experimental)
[02:32] <Lafitte-> who has done this ?
[02:32] <clay> if wired part doesn't work with dhcp, why would the wireless work?
[02:32] <svmaris> toxicfume, I usually make sure only 1 dhcp-server is active, but it should work I guess
[02:32] <toby_> i have another problem with the source...
[02:32] <toby_> now it says:
[02:32] <toby_> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 is incomplete or missing!
[02:32] <toby_>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code.
[02:33] <spinifex> okay, woo, I just installed Hoary Hedgehog.  Can anyone tell me what repositories I should be using?  And where to get this information
[02:33] <svmaris> clay: apparently he has 2 dhcp servers
[02:33] <anto9us> spinifex: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:34] <clay> svmaris: but that not may be his problem.. have you tried giving it a static address for now to make sure the link is working?
[02:35] <svmaris> clay: well, the wireless is definitely not working, because he has no associated access point, which should be there regardless of the ip-settings
[02:36] <clay> true
[02:36] <spinifex> oh  *clicks "Show Disabled Repositories"
[02:36] <Funraiser> to do a sh install-blala.sh thing to i need to sudo?
[02:36] <Funraiser> do*
[02:36] <spinifex> depends,
[02:36] <toxicfume> i'm just going to boot into windows just to assure myself the ap is working
[02:37] <svmaris> toxicfume, sounds like a plan
[02:37] <svmaris> toxicfume, try to find the ap hardware address (xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx)
[02:37] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:37] <anto9us> Funraiser: depends where you want to install to, to make the .sh executable though you need to chmod +x <filename>.sh
[02:38] <Funraiser> anto9us, if i want to install just on my /home/me ?
[02:38] <toxicfume> svmaris: well yes the ap s present on windows
[02:38] <anto9us> Funraiser: no need for sudo
[02:38] <Lafitte-> everyone with me luck   im upgrading distro
[02:38] <Lafitte-> wish
[02:39] <Funraiser> thanks anto9us
[02:39] <_ron> Lafitte-, No luck with my sound. :(
[02:39] <Bh420> anyone got a link to teh css plugin i need to use watch dvds ?
[02:40] <svmaris> toxicfume, hm .. I'm not sure if this is 'good news' or 'bad news' .. but at least we know the ap is fine
[02:40] <Lafitte-> _ron,   darn    i dont know    google for your sound card  and ubuntu    see what comes up
[02:40] <K_Dallas> sorry guys, but what is the program to read chm files ? not xchm :)
[02:40] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe yes..well i'm jotting down the physical address now
[02:40] <toby_> what is Ndiswrapper for
[02:40] <toxicfume> 00-0E-35-EE-A8-51
[02:41] <toxicfume> svmaris: that's the correct format right?
[02:41] <Lafitte-> toby_,  it runs windows drivers  on linux
[02:41] <svmaris> toxicfume, looks right .. that's the MAC of the ap, right? .. not the wireless card itself?
[02:41] <toby_> thx
[02:41] <Lafitte-> toby_,  alot used it for running centrino laptops wireless  because was not supported for long time
[02:42] <toxicfume> svmaris: oh no sorry, that's the NIC's mac..how do i find the ap's mac in windows? :S
[02:42] <spinifex> what do the icons mean in synaptic?  Some checkboxes have stars, and some have an ubuntu logo next to them
[02:42] <Lafitte-> oh this is crazy   hopei dont break system
[02:42] <svmaris> toxicfume, I have no idea ... I haven't used windows for about 8 years
[02:42] <toxicfume> svmaris: i have netstumbler which scans aps..and that is reporting: 00-0D-54-FC-43-16
[02:42] <anto9us> spinifex: see help | icon legend
[02:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, that looks about right
[02:43] <mebaran151> does Hoary prepkg ndiswrapper
[02:43] <svmaris> toxicfume, time to reboot again :)
[02:43] <mebaran151> I am going to install on my laptop
[02:43] <mebaran151> but dont want to have to buy an ethernet cord
[02:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: yes, that is the one
[02:43] <mebaran151> it is using a crappy dell trumobile card
[02:43] <spinifex> oh, thank you.  *bonks self for not noticing the obvious*
[02:43] <toxicfume> svmaris: hehe okay
[02:43] <mebaran151> truemobile
[02:43] <Lafitte-> mebaran151, why would you have to ?
[02:43] <mebaran151> well
[02:43] <mebaran151> I would need the internet to dll
[02:43] <mebaran151> bluefish editor
[02:43] <mebaran151> among other things I need on that laptop
[02:43] <mebaran151> and to get all the securities updates
[02:44] <Bh420> does anyone have a link to the css plugin .deb I need to use watch dvds with ubuntu ?
[02:44] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,   try the live cd see if it works
[02:44] <mebaran151> I just need to know if the module is preprovided
[02:44] <anto9us> mebaran151: makes sure you use bcmwl5a and not bcmwl5 driver
[02:44] <mebaran151> the live cd of course wouldnt have it
[02:44] <mebaran151> you have to have the driver on your harddisk
[02:44] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  if you boot from the live cd  you will fnd out if it is
[02:45] <mebaran151> and if it doesnt mount the harddisk
[02:45] <mebaran151> you wouldnt be able to get the driver
[02:45] <kent> Bh420, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  have you read that page?
[02:45] <svmaris> mebaran151, the live cd acts as the 'harddisk'
[02:45] <mebaran151> well
[02:45] <mebaran151> but does the livecd
[02:45] <anto9us> mebaran151: you going to dual boot it? if so you can just point at the driver on the windows partition
[02:45] <Bh420> kent - i got it here once before
[02:45] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  ndiswrapper is not free of charge    so im guessing its not included
[02:45] <mebaran151> carry the windows Dell Drivers
[02:45] <mebaran151> ah
[02:45] <mebaran151> it isn't
[02:45] <Bh420> kent - reading
[02:45] <usynic> ndiswrapper is free
[02:46] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what you need to use it for  ??
[02:46] <svmaris> Lafitte-, ndiswrapper is free .. driverloader isn't
[02:46] <rotava> does anyone use the berlios atmel wlan drivers? I've got the at76c503-sources, and it has a debian subfolder, but I'm not quite sure if I can build a dpkg... would anyone know a good way to go about getting these up and running?
[02:46] <mebaran151> for my Dell Wireless card
[02:46] <nickrud> Bh420, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[02:46] <mebaran151> I need ndiswrapper to run my dell wireless car
[02:46] <rotava> subdirectory*
[02:46] <Lafitte-> svmaris, it wasnt free before  it was 20 bux
[02:46] <mebaran151> oh and in Hoary
[02:46] <nickrud> Bh420, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[02:46] <mebaran151> do we follow sarge or unstable
[02:46] <nickrud> I am so brain ded
[02:46] <svmaris> Lafitte-, uh? .. that sucks .. didn't know that
[02:46] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what is the driver model ?
[02:46] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay im back at the same part of setup..and it stillcan't detect a wifi signal
[02:46] <mebaran151> wdm
[02:46] <petroleum> !time
[02:46] <mebaran151> I guess
[02:46] <anto9us> mebaran151: I'm runing true mobile 1450 on hoary
[02:46] <mebaran151> ah
[02:46] <mebaran151> anto9us, how do you do it
[02:46] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  and the trial really blows
[02:47] <mebaran151> did you need an ethernet cable link first
[02:47] <anto9us> mebaran151: that's the way I set it all up, yes
[02:47] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  what is the wireless car din the machine ?
[02:47] <mebaran151> ah
[02:47] <mebaran151> did you have to compile the modules from src
[02:47] <toby_> whats the shell command to move a file or folder
[02:47] <mebaran151> Dell Truemobile 1300
[02:47] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I see nothing that indicates that it isn't free on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/, are you sure your not confusing it with driverloader?
[02:47] <mebaran151> toby_, mv
[02:47] <toby_> okies
[02:47] <mebaran151> but you DONT WANT TOO
[02:47] <anto9us> mebaran151: no, I used the one from the repository, was very easy
[02:48] <toxicfume> svmaris: omg it foudn the AP!!!!
[02:48] <toxicfume> i didn't even do crap
[02:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, uh?
[02:48] <mebaran151> anto9us, which repo
[02:48] <svmaris> toxicfume, what did you do?
[02:48] <Lafitte-> svmaris,   im sure   when i get my centrino laptop  way back when and it was needed   it cost 20 bux   for full version  otherwise   it was crippled abit
[02:48] <anto9us> mebaran151: it's in main
[02:48] <mebaran151> really
[02:48] <Funraiser> anto9us, u said chmod ? to make the sh executable?
[02:48] <toxicfume> but it can't get the address from the DHCP..but it shows the ap's mac address and the frequency
[02:48] <mebaran151> a prebuilt module too
[02:48] <anto9us> Funraiser: chmod +x <filename>.sh
[02:48] <Funraiser> k thanks
[02:48] <Bh420> kent - thanks
[02:49] <toxicfume> svmaris: i don;t know..i don't feel i did anything :S
[02:49] <mebaran151> I just realized
[02:49] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  if you boot from the Ubuntu Live cd  you could find out if it works  before you do it
[02:49] <mebaran151> ndiswrapper means nothing on AMD64
[02:49] <mebaran151> hehehe
[02:49] <anto9us> mebaran151: I've since upgraded my kernel without problems
[02:49] <Lafitte-> mebaran151,  rofl
[02:49] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  what kernel you use ?
[02:49] <mebaran151> as the wdm is still 32 bit
[02:49] <svmaris> Lafitte-, again: Linuxant Driverloader is $19.95, ndiswrapper is free ... where does it state that ndiswrapper is not free?
[02:49] <mebaran151> I guess.....
[02:50] <anto9us> Lafitte-: 2.6.10-5-686-smp
[02:50] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  hrmm    might have been that
[02:50] <svmaris> Lafitte-, that's what I said ;)
[02:50] <toxicfume> svmaris: do you know how i could get DHCP to work now?
[02:50] <Lafitte-> svmaris,    oh sorry     i know    ndiswrapper  sucked     and linuxant worked  and was 20 bux  you are correct      sorry  been  almost 2 years dude
[02:51] <Lafitte-> svmaris, ndiswrapper dropped signal alot for some reason   the way it handled  wep keys   maybe thats all fixed now
[02:51] <svmaris> Lafitte-, no problem ;) ...
[02:51] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  hehe    linux has so many things ot remember
[02:51] <anto9us> I have no problems with ndiswrapper
[02:51] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  nice  did it make difference ?
[02:52] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I haven't used either for about 2 years, since the ipw2100/ipw2200-project started I used that one
[02:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, erhm
[02:52] <svmaris> toxicfume, so you've got an ap?
[02:52] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i have ipw2100
[02:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: yeah..it seems to appear now
[02:52] <toxicfume> svmaris: how do i check it's validity?
[02:52] <Z-Ro> how to i set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper
[02:52] <anto9us> Lafitte-: yes, a noticible difference, not run any benchmarks though, I have a P4 3.2Ghz HT
[02:53] <svmaris> toxicfume, well .. in that case you can continue the regular setup .. but you can check manually by doing 'dhclient eth0' in the console
[02:53] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  aww  kewl
[02:53] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  how i see my kernel ?
[02:53] <svmaris> Lafitte-, my previous laptop had ipw2100 ... the new one has ipw2200 ;)
[02:53] <anto9us> Lafitte-: uname -r
[02:53] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  yeah
[02:54] <dampjam> how far along is breezy?
[02:54] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i have 2.6.10-5-386
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  2.6.10-5-386
[02:54] <Lafitte-> i mean
[02:54] <toxicfume> svmaris: in dhclient eth0 i get the same thing i previously did, no DHCPOFFERS received :S
[02:54] <Z-Ro> how to i set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper, ive already installed ndiswrapper, i just dont know what to do next
[02:55] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  would i be better off with different kernel ?
[02:55] <dampjam> I started running hoary a month early and was very happy, is it at least semi stable yet?
[02:55] <svmaris> toxicfume, can you ping the accesspoint when you manually configure the ip-address? 'ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx'
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  im upgrading to breezy now
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  as we speak
[02:55] <dampjam> Lafitte-: let me know if anything goes crazy
[02:55] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  yeah  hehe
[02:55] <svmaris> Lafitte-, I wouldn't do that, unless you want to break your system :)
[02:55] <anto9us> Lafitte-: what processor do you have?
[02:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: how do i ping?
[02:56] <svmaris> toxicfume, 'ping <ip of ap>'
[02:56] <Lafitte-> svmaris,  i can reinstall easy enough
[02:56] <svmaris> Lafitte-, in that case: go for it :)
[02:56] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  centrino  with 1.4 cpu
[02:56] <toxicfume> svmaris: it says ping: not found
[02:56] <ictyl> is it possible to debootstrap a breezy install (if so, where can I find the debootstrap script?)
[02:56] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I guess trying the 686 kernel can't hurt anything :)
[02:57] <Lafitte-> dampjam,  i will   hehe   it says it could break system    but it wouldnt be there if wasnt semi ready
[02:57] <svmaris> toxicfume, no ping? .. argh ... that sucks .. .ehm
[02:57] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[02:57] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  yeah    if i break this  ill reinstall with 686   heh e
[02:57] <toby_> for ndiswrapper i need winxp drivers or win98 drivers?
[02:57] <Lafitte-> toby_,  xp drivers work
[02:58] <toby_> i followed the instructions on this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto to install my wifi card
[02:58] <toby_> but ndiswrapper says the drivers are invalid
[02:58] <anto9us> toby_: I use XP drivers on mine
[02:58] <Lafitte-> toby_,  usually  can google for the drivers you need   and they will be there for you
[02:58] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  just to see what is going on
[02:58] <toby_> linux makes everything so much more complicated :/
[02:58] <goldfish> lol
[02:59] <kane> man what a mess i have
[02:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, in that case .. just try to enter the info manually in the setup and try to continue the install
[02:59] <toby_> on windows i can install my wifi in 2 mins, on linux ive been trying for more than 30 without success
[02:59] <svmaris> toxicfume, I'm afraid communication with the ap still doesn't work
[02:59] <anto9us> toby_: that depends what you're doing, some windows stuff I've never ever got my head around
[02:59] <Lafitte-> toby_,  you think ?
[02:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: okay
[02:59] <toxicfume> svmaris: damn
[02:59] <dr_willis> toby_,  on windows i  installed a printer driver and the machine would simply power off - when i printed a test page... :P
[02:59] <toby_> i have no idea what im doing
[03:00] <g14> toby_: Well maybe it's the IHV's fault because M$ doesn't want them to release their hardware specifications so they dont
[03:00] <svmaris> toxicfume, doesn't work?
[03:00] <toby_> yes that could happen  but in general windows is a lot easier to get stuff working
[03:00] <anto9us> toby_: stick with it, it makes more sense over time :)
[03:00] <dr_willis> and i knew what i was doing. :P well i was following the docs..
[03:00] <Lafitte-> toby_,  the thing about linux  is  i you hace cutting edge gear    you are screwed
[03:00] <g14> toby_: It's because of M$
[03:00] <toby_> what if i cant get my wifi card working, im trashing linux
[03:00] <Lafitte-> toby_,  otherwise it would JFW    and that would be kewl
[03:00] <Cybermagellan> OK, I have a fan from my room on my computer and it hasn't reset yet
[03:01] <Lafitte-> toby_,  i had to for a year
[03:01] <dr_willis> wifi - the next 'winmodem' fiasco.. ive rewired my house and dumped all wireless networking.. much easier to run wires.
[03:01] <Amaranth> toby_: ndiswrapper?
[03:01] <toby_> yes
[03:01] <toby_> amaranth
[03:01] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[03:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: i entered the manual info..dunno if it works yet or not..doign the partitioning thing
[03:01] <Amaranth> oh, i've never used it, i just asking if you looked at it
[03:01] <toby_> okis
[03:01] <Amaranth> toby_: there is a page on the wiki about it, iirc
[03:01] <toxicfume> svmaris: do u know whether the partition i install linux on has to have the bootable flag option as Yes? or no?
[03:01] <toby_> yes im seeing it now thanx
[03:02] <dr_willis> toxicfume,  i do not think that the bootable flag is needed.
[03:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, no... if you install the bootloader in the master boot record the bootable flag is not needed
[03:02] <toxicfume> ohkay, thanks dr_willis, svmaris
[03:02] <svmaris> toxicfume, otherwise, it will install itself on the bootpartition, which already have the bootflag
[03:02] <svmaris> s/have/has/
[03:03] <anto9us> toby_: you've got to admire the ingenuity of the linux boffins for getting windows only hardware working under linux
[03:03] <son> \py exec import socket
[03:03] <son> oops
[03:03] <dr_willis> Grr.. i go to print a page in firefox.. and it just coredumps.  :( sigh
[03:03] <dr_willis> wonder what i managed to mess up this time hehheh.
[03:04] <toby_> where is the ~/.icons folder located
[03:04] <Madpilot> Cybermagellan: still trying to cool your case down, hey?
[03:04] <svmaris> toby_, "~" is your home directory
[03:05] <toby_> oh
[03:05] <toby_> haha linux is funny
[03:05] <anto9us> toby_: there's an icons directory under /usr/share/
[03:05] <dumbledore> hello
[03:05] <svmaris> hi dumbledore
[03:05] <toby_> what is the period in front of the icons /.icons
[03:05] <toby_> does that make the folder special in any way
[03:06] <anto9us> toby_: yes, it means it's hidden
[03:06] <toby_> okies
[03:06] <toby_> :)
[03:06] <svmaris> toby_, most configuration files get a '.' in front of them, so they are 'hidden' and don't clutter up your filemanager
[03:06] <dr_willis> time to read a few linux 101 tutorials  :P
[03:06] <svmaris> learn by doing
[03:06] <Skudd> greetings and spitulations!
[03:07] <svmaris> well, hello Skudd
[03:07] <Skudd> i've got a somewhat interesting question for y'all
[03:07] <ictyl> is it possible to debootstrap a breezy install, or do I need to install hoary and then upgrade?
[03:08] <Strife> how do I enable acpid at startup?
[03:08] <Skudd> actually... since i'm not really using ubuntu, i'm going to ask on #slackware
[03:09] <svmaris> Strife, it should already be enabled
[03:09] <dumbledore> um yeah, so why cant i change my screen resolution... im guessing its using the wrong video adapter, is there a gui thing to change that or do i change it in xfree86 config files directly
[03:10] <svmaris> dumbledore, there's a Screen Resolution in your Preferences-menu iirc
[03:10] <dumbledore> yeah, there's only one resolution to pick from
[03:10] <_ron> heyy. My sound is not working at all. I have done everything on ubuntuguide.org that relates. I have also installed alsa-source.... Ideas?
[03:10] <nickrud> dumbledore, paste the output of grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log to #flood
[03:10] <svmaris> dumbledore, in that case, yes, change your xorg.conf
[03:10] <Strife> hmm
[03:10] <toby_> do i have to enable PCMCIA support in Linux ?
[03:10] <anto9us> dumbledore: you preset your resolutions in the config file and then select them using system | preferences | screen resolution
[03:10] <Strife> I'm not sure if it actually was or not, but I would've thought so... ok
[03:10] <dumbledore> k @ svmaris
[03:12] <revelater> what do i do with a .bin file?
[03:12] <goldfish> run it
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, depends on what it really is
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, is it a cd-image?
[03:12] <revelater> a .bin file.....
[03:12] <spinifex> bin is for binary
[03:12] <revelater> its the java runtime enviroment...
[03:12] <svmaris> revelater, or a binary executable?
[03:13] <svmaris> revelater, chmod +x <filename> and ./<filename> if you trust it
[03:13] <revelater> should be a bin executable
[03:13] <nickrud> revelater, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three is best
[03:13] <JDahl> I installed Samba, shared a folder using System->Admin->Shared Folders and made it browsable, and I can see my linux box from a windows machine, but I am prompted for both username and passwd (which seems to be ignored). I tried looking at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba, but I there is nothing about Windows Network in my Network Settings... any suggestions?
[03:15] <dumbledore> um under my xorg.conf theres 800x600 resolutions defined under "screen", but it only goes up to 640x480 on the screen res thingy
[03:16] <TrendKill> has anyone ever compiled gcc under ubuntu amd 64?
[03:16] <nickrud> dumbledore, grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what res's X says it can do
[03:16] <spinifex> my friend has
[03:17] <Strife> has anyone had any luck getting ACPI suspend to work with Dell laptops?
[03:17] <_ron> my /lib/cpp is apparently "insane" ... help?
[03:17] <moj0rising> does anyone here know of a good place to get exponent information?
[03:17] <moj0rising> I am stuck on a couple things and can't find what I need anywhere.
[03:17] <TrendKill> spinifex, do you know if he used some special way to do it?
[03:17] <Chambers`> anyone else here use privoxy?  I keep getting an error when trying to edit the files
[03:17] <svmaris> Strife, according to http://www.rtr.ca/dell_i9300/ it works just fine. At least on the inspiron 9300
[03:18] <Chambers`> Privoxy Configuration access denied
[03:18] <spinifex> TrendKill: I can give you his aim name.  He's messed with a lot of stuff on his 64 bit system
[03:18] <dumbledore> it says default res is 640x480
[03:18] <Chambers`> i installed through syanptic
[03:18] <TrendKill> spinifex, thats fine...
[03:19] <nickrud> dumbledore, do you have an option HorizSync under monitor in xorg.conf
[03:19] <Strife> svmaris: not exactly the model I have (Inspiron 6000), but I'll take a look... thanks
[03:20] <svmaris> Strife, apart from the screen, I think the 6000 is quite similar to the 9300 (which is the model I have)
[03:20] <Strife> yes, as far as I can tell that's true, but unfortunately it's a screen issue I'm having ;)
[03:20] <rommer> is there a macromedia flash alternative for linux?
[03:20] <Strife> svmaris: the problem is, I can suspend, but when I try to turn it back on, I just get a completely black screen
[03:21] <svmaris> rommer, there's even a macromedia flash for linux
[03:21] <rommer> svmaris: ah ok didnt know
[03:21] <svmaris> Strife, I wouldn't know how to fix it... I thought it wouldn't work at all so I didn't even try it... but I'm going to, tomorrow ;)
[03:21] <fallstorm> Unless he means the program used to create movies
[03:21] <Strife> svmaris: good luck
[03:21] <svmaris> rommer, apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:21] <svmaris> Strife, thanks ;)
[03:22] <Laforge> Ok how do login as root without being in terminal?
[03:22] <rommer> svmaris: not the player, the program that makes the animations
[03:22] <dumbledore> okies, the exact output of that command was: (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
[03:22] <dumbledore> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
[03:22] <svmaris> rommer, aaaaah .. in that case: nope
[03:22] <dumbledore> (==) CHIPS(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[03:22] <dumbledore> (**) CHIPS(0):  Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz
[03:22] <Laforge> Example:  I want ot move some files but i can't because i don't have permission
[03:22] <nickrud> dumbledore, I kinda gathered that :)
[03:23] <nickrud> dumbledore, you probably need to give xorg a better definition of your monitor, and horizsync is part of that
[03:23] <dumbledore> ic
[03:23] <anto9us> Laforge: if it helps you can run nautilus from a terminal as root
[03:25] <dumbledore> yeah, um, "generic monitor"?
[03:25] <Laforge> nautilus?
[03:25] <svmaris> Laforge, nautilus is the gnome file manager
[03:26] <Jormundgand> I'm not a huge fan of Nautilus. It doesn't much appeal to me. I prefer a UI like Thunar's.
[03:26] <Chambers`> what's the package name for java installation?
[03:26] <dumbledore> i haven't got a clue what monitor i have ;P it's a laptop
 how can I change default document root in apache2.conf ?
[03:27] <Laforge> how do i run nautilus?
[03:27] <nickrud> dumbledore, the manufacturer's site probably has the sync and refresh on it
[03:27] <Chambers`> Laforge, type nautilus
[03:27] <dumbledore> heh, i doubt it, the manufacturer doesn't support it any more
[03:27] <anto9us> Laforge: type sudo nautilus
[03:28] <anto9us> Laforge: that will give you root access to your files, be careful ;)
[03:28] <Strife> hmm
[03:28] <Strife> I wonder if I manually compile the kernel if that could help solve my power management issues...
[03:28] <nickrud> dumbledore, try google <modelname> xorg HorizSync, you might get lucky :)
[03:28] <Strife> I'm really at a loss as to what's wrong though :(
[03:28] <bob2> ali4728: by editing it
[03:28] <revelater> sun-j2re1.5:
[03:28] <revelater>  Depends: sun-j2re1.5debian  but it is not installable
[03:28] <revelater> i get that error when i try to install java through synaptic
[03:29] <svmaris> Strife, unless you patch it, I don't think it will ... the default ubuntu kernel has almost everything enabled by default
Donno wich line determines doc root
[03:29] <anto9us> Strife: probably not, as I understand it ubuntu does everything with modules
[03:29] <Chambers`> revelater, ok thanks
[03:29] <revelater> ?
[03:29] <Laforge> where is the mysql folder
[03:29] <Strife> yes, exactly... I just wonder if there's some weird configuration problem that's making my screen go black on resume...
[03:29] <spinifex> yo, sound question.  I'm trying to watch a swf on hoary, but I don't hear anything.  What do I do?
[03:30] <bob2> ali4728: come on dude...you should at the very least "grep -r var/www /etc/apache2", and find you have to edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default
[03:30] <svmaris> Strife, do you have the ATI or the NVIDIA videocard?
[03:30] <Chambers`> revelater, my java is installing just fine, add the back repositories to your sources
[03:30] <revelater> spinifex: turn up the volume?
[03:30] <bob2> spinifex: get a better sound card or run firefox under esddsp
[03:30] <spinifex> the volume is at max
 thanks
[03:30] <revelater> Chambers`: back reposiories?
[03:30] <anto9us> Strife: do you have fglrx drivers, that broke my resume after suspend, no fix that I can find. It's a trade-off at the moment
[03:30] <Strife> svmaris: ATI
[03:30] <spinifex> I was able to get the sound to work in an earlier version of hoary by killing esd I believe
[03:30] <Strife> anto9us: no, I haven't added the fglrx drivers yet
[03:30] <] BreliC[> off-topic question: does anyone here have a copy of Virgil's Aeneid handy?
[03:30] <spinifex> what is esddsp?
[03:30] <Chambers`> hold on, let me get that link
[03:31] <andrewski> so i reinstalled ubuntu and now all my fonts are 'thin'; i checked my AA/hinting settings and they're fine.  what could be causing that?
[03:31] <svmaris> Strife, I specificly chose the nvidia-card, because I always had problems with the fglrx drivers
[03:31] <revelater> spinifex: kill it and find out :P
[03:31] <spinifex> it didn't change anything
[03:31] <Chambers`> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:31] <Chambers`> go there
[03:31] <andrewski> ] BreliC[: you could probably read it online.
[03:31] <Chambers`> add that repository
[03:31] <revelater> i think i have all of those though
[03:31] <Chambers`> apt-get update
[03:31] <mainframe23> Anyone know whats going on if i'm getting a 'buffer i/o error on device hda, logical block _______' ?
[03:32] <Strife> svmaris: (A) Much too late now :) (B) Just using the ati driver right now (C) I get a black screen even in a console (i.e., CTRL+ALT+F1 still remains black)
[03:32] <Chambers`> then try again
[03:32] <dumbledore> nickrud: nope there's squat... what's that derived from, something in the bios?
[03:32] <mainframe23> If it might have to do with the fact that I have another Hd in the computer?
[03:32] <] BreliC[> andrewski, yeah, i know.  but i have my own copy, problem is it doesn't have line numbers and i need to find a certain line number.  the online ones don't seem to have line numbers either
[03:32] <svmaris> Strife, the only time I had suspend working on a laptop with linux was with my powerbook. After that I just didn't bother with it anymore
[03:33] <] BreliC[> just thought i'd check in here because, hey, it's the linux community after all, and gosh darnit, we're helpful ;)
[03:33] <daren> Hello all. I have a question about migration to Ubuntu.
[03:33] <Strife> see, the problem is really relatively simple: The screen doesn't come back on
[03:33] <forester> Wow, ubuntu comes with twisted.
[03:33] <nickrud> dumbledore, no.. it has to do with how fast the monitor can draw, how small the dots are, and X won't do high res without know that
[03:33] <Strife> it's not like a black but slightly lit screen, it's a black because it's off screen
[03:34] <forester> I find that odd considering what it doesn
[03:34] <forester> I find that odd considering what it doesn't come with. :p
[03:34] <dumbledore> hm dunno, i had red hat 9 on it before and it did higher res... :(
[03:34] <spinifex> ah here we go.  Killing esd didn't immediately solve it, but launching firefox while esd was not running did
[03:34] <svmaris> Strife, doing powermanagement on a laptop is _really_ hard, because all the drivers have to co-operate ... it has always been weak in linux
[03:35] <spinifex> why is there still this sound problem?
[03:35] <Strife> svmaris: indeed
[03:35] <revelater> what does this mean?:
[03:35] <revelater> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:35] <svmaris> Strife, and there are a _lot_ of broken ACPI-implementations out there
[03:35] <Strife> although I'm trying one last thing I've found on the forums thus far... apparently vga=771 doesn't play nice
[03:35] <_4strO|zZZzz> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[03:35] <forester> achoo
[03:35] <svmaris> revelater: it means excactly what it says ;)
[03:35] <onekill> i am trying to get the man pages for the c function exec and it can not find them
[03:35] <anto9us> forester: I was impressed with the zope packages, especially zpsycopgda interface to postgresql, so easy
[03:35] <Strife> oh so while I'm at it... why does the "Configuring network interfaces" part of bootup take so long?
[03:35] <revelater> svmaris: what does it say?
[03:36] <svmaris> Strife, because it does a DHCP request, which times out after a while when no DHCP is available
[03:36] <kvidell> Strife: Gnomes.
[03:36] <kvidell> Evil lawn gnomes >.>
[03:36] <Jormundgand> I prefer kvidell's explanation.
[03:36] <onekill> do I have to install other man pages or are they there
[03:36] <svmaris> revelater, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[03:36] <forester> You know what's weird about this..
[03:36] <Strife> kvidell: haha
[03:36] <forester> All the irssi clients were near the end of the list, as if they are collectively slower to respond.
[03:37] <Strife> svmaris: well, I have two net interfaces, only one of which is hooked up, so you'd think that if it didn't find anything on the other one, but did on one, it would just move on
[03:37] <Strife> oh well
[03:37] <dumbledore> it should just be a standard laptop monitor...
[03:37] <forester> Like maybe it uses its own event loop with a longer interval than the default xchat inherits as a GUI app.
[03:37] <juan__> hola
[03:37] <revelater> its downloading anyways...
[03:37] <kvidell> The one thing I say all day is "Gnomes".
[03:37] <kvidell> I feel so useful.
[03:37] <nickrud> dumbledore, there are many 'standard' laptop monitors :)
[03:37] <juan__> necesito ayuda
[03:37] <juan__> i need your help
[03:37] <juan__> necesito ayuda
[03:37] <dumbledore> heh, how many max out at 800x600
[03:38] <juan__> my grub is erroneous
[03:38] <nickrud> old ones ;)
[03:38] <Biff> forester: well, it just means irssi is slower to find out what it should write as a response
[03:38] <juan__> bazzi
[03:38] <juan__> hola
[03:38] <juan__> amigos
[03:38] <Biff> i guess
[03:38] <juan__> ayudenme
[03:38] <svmaris> Strife, well .. even if one of the nic's was not connected during the install, you'd still may want to configure it... the network settings are not only for the install, but for the system configuration aswell
[03:38] <forester> Biff: Hahah
[03:38] <juan__> helpme my friends
[03:38] <svmaris> Strife, but yes .. it should not try to dhcp it without a network cable in it ;)
[03:38] <forester> Biff: That sort of slowness is not evident across the net.
[03:38] <nickrud> dumbledore, expand the google search some, maybe <model> horizontal , you need to a bit more careful of the info, though
[03:38] <daren> I'm using Debian Sarge and would like to move to ubuntu. Can I do this by just adding ubuntu's repositories to my sources.list and apt-getting appropriate files?
[03:38] <Strife> svmaris: right, the thing is I have a wired and wireless interface, and only the wired interface is in now...
[03:39] <usynic> daren: probably not.
[03:39] <dr_willis> daren,  that does not sound like a good idea at all. :(
[03:39] <daren> Dang. What's a good way to migrate all my settings?
[03:39] <kvidell> daren: That could be messy. My suggestion would be to backup critical data and give it a try... if it works, awesome, if not.. you wree gunna format anyway if you decided to move to Ubuntu.
[03:39] <kvidell> backup dotted files in your home directory is my typical "settings backup"
[03:40] <Chambers`> hmm..revelator was using marat for java..no good
[03:40] <Biff> daren: no
[03:40] <Biff> i wont work
[03:40] <Biff> it*
[03:40] <daren> k, thanks all.
[03:41] <svmaris> I'm off .. bye
[03:42] <CruJones> hello guys
[03:42] <slimb> howdy
[03:42] <Chambers`> man this stinks putting all these mp3's back ito my ipod :(
[03:42] <CruJones> Im new to Ubuntu
[03:42] <Chambers`> stupid ipod decided to lose its database :(
[03:42] <CruJones> and am wondering how to change the screen res
[03:42] <anto9us> CruJones: welcome to ubuntu
[03:42] <slimb> sure, blame it on the IPOD!!!
[03:42] <spinifex> bubbye
[03:43] <Chambers`> but i'm loving gtkpod :)
[03:43] <CruJones> it was stuck at 800x640
[03:43] <CruJones> but i dotn' know how go back to reconfigure it
[03:43] <slimb> system -> preferences -> screen res
[03:43] <CruJones> yeah i know that
[03:43] <CruJones> but i i get some wavy lines when apps are loading
[03:44] <Strife> check xorg.conf
[03:44] <Chambers`> slimb, actually it was itunes that did it.  I needed to rename my iPod so had to install itunes to do it, then when I ran iTunes it said it needed to fix the database and after 2 mins of fixing it it wiped it all out :(
[03:44] <Strife> sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:44] <Laforge> What is the default MySQL folder?
[03:44] <Laforge> Where is it actually
[03:44] <CruJones> thanks strife
[03:44] <anto9us> Laforge: type locate mysql
[03:44] <ben_> what is sudu is there a manual on it? I know su to root
[03:45] <ben_> sudo
[03:45] <Chambers`> su = switch user (to root)
[03:45] <Chambers`> i think
[03:45] <Chambers`> sudo = super user do
[03:45] <forester> Super User DO
[03:45] <Strife> su <username> switches to <username>
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> substitue user
[03:45] <ben_> ok thankx
[03:45] <Anubis> thats the first thing I got rid of
[03:45] <Strife> su without a username switches to root
[03:45] <Anubis> sudo
[03:45] <Chambers`> so it switches to root and executes the command
[03:45] <Anubis> no
[03:46] <Anubis> su
[03:46] <Anubis> passwaord
[03:46] <Anubis> then you get root prompt
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> er, not on ubuntu
[03:46] <slimb> strife you *should* also be able to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it *should* reset everything for you if you want to go that route
[03:46] <forester> sudo exists for a reason
[03:46] <Anubis> er yeah
[03:46] <forester> not a bad reason
[03:46] <Chambers`> sudo is awesome
[03:46] <Anubis> course not
[03:46] <Strife> slimb: indeed
[03:46] <Anubis> but its a pain for those who never had to use it
[03:46] <toxicfume> wow
[03:46] <forester> yes, i hope many of us have used su...
[03:46] <toxicfume> ubuntu is really messing up on my laptop
[03:46] <Strife> slimb: I come from the hardcore days when you edited everything by hand
[03:47] <slimb> as do i
[03:47] <Strife> heh
[03:47] <slimb> im still getting used to any type of GUI
[03:47] <slimb> :)
[03:47] <slimb> still drives me nuts
[03:47] <toxicfume> I just installed ubuntu..and now after comppleteing the installation, i can't see anything on the monitor
[03:47] <Strife> yeah I'm still new to this whole "automation" thing
[03:47] <forester> What is the apache package name?
[03:47] <ben_> Icheers
[03:47] <slimb> at any point in time while following a FAQ did you back up xorg.conf?  :)  just move the old copy back :)
[03:47] <linforcer> theres a steerinwheel comin out my pants
[03:47] <Strife> forester: apache2
[03:47] <linforcer> its drivin me nuts
[03:47] <forester> And apache1's name?
[03:47] <Chambers`> i came from the land of kde, loving gnome..now I was gnome to get better :)
[03:47] <slimb> i've never touched KDE - gnome is ok - but seems a bit too memory hoggish to me
[03:48] <CruJones> Can someone help me get to the configuration of the screen resolution, where it automatically asks you questions?
[03:48] <Strife> forester: apache?
[03:48] <slimb> im thinking im gonna try xfce soon
[03:48] <forester> No
[03:48] <Strife> forester: apt-cache search apache
[03:48] <fishynet> toxicfume: type ctrl+alt+f1
[03:48] <Chambers`> slimb, you'd absolutely hate kde then...even slower
[03:48] <Strife> slimb: xfce is nice
[03:48] <toxicfume> fishynet: okay i see the login prompt now...whatdo i do?
[03:48] <slimb> then again - consoles are just sooooo fast :)
[03:48] <forester> You know.
[03:48] <Boohbah> the land of kde may be fun to visit, but you don't want to live there
[03:48] <Strife> slimb: I really like GNOME, though... just never liked KDE much
[03:48] <flodine> anyone on a 64bit chip
[03:48] <forester> A batrillion web hosts, very fancy ones, still use apache 1.3
[03:49] <forester> I have to mirror their environment for development.
[03:49] <forester> So where is apache 1.3?
[03:49] <Strife> forester: the package name is 'apache', but it's not in the default ubuntu repositories
[03:49] <Boohbah> /usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.33-r4.ebuild
[03:49] <Strife> forester: it's either in universe or multiverse
[03:49] <forester> So I edit apt sources
[03:49] <Strife> Boohbah: wrong distro
[03:50] <Strife> :P
[03:50] <Boohbah> oops, this is ubuntu ;)
[03:50] <forester> Good old debian style
[03:50] <Strife> forester: aptitude->Setting->Repositories->Add
[03:50] <dumbledore> umm crap, i can't save xorg.conf changes anyway
[03:50] <forester> I would rather go to websites, download setup exe's and run them than edit apt sources and guess package names.
[03:50] <Strife> make sure the universe one is added
[03:50] <Strife> forester: if you just run aptitude, all is well
[03:50] <forester> Then I have to go back into X
[03:51] <Strife> touche
[03:51] <slimb> apache is under WorldWideWeb (universe) in my synaptic
[03:51] <dumbledore> something about readonly
[03:51] <Strife> forester: the universe repositories are commented out, just uncomment them :P
[03:51] <forester> Where?
[03:51] <anto9us> dumbledore: save to your ~ and sudo cp it
[03:51] <slimb> as long as your univ. repos are uncommented you can apt-get it
[03:51] <forester> I forgot.
[03:51] <Strife> /etc/apt/source.list
[03:51] <dumbledore> @ nickrud
[03:52] <Strife> I think I kinda like sid for the desktop...
[03:52] <slimb> my desktop is the only place im running this.
[03:52] <Strife> but ubuntu is great for the laptop
[03:52] <slimb> its a bit comfortable
[03:52] <nickrud> dumbledore, yeah,
[03:52] <dumbledore> um i dunno the root pw
[03:52] <slimb> now to find my WoW CD and see if I can't get cedega and p2p runnin :)
[03:52] <Strife> dumbledore: there isn't one... just use sudo
[03:52] <slimb> once im done with this nethack game :)
[03:52] <Strife> slimb: if you do, let me know
[03:52] <nickrud> dumbledore, sudo gedit xorg.conf, and use your own password
[03:52] <forester> What are the hoary-securitive sites?
[03:53] <Chambers`> is there a way I can rip to mp3?  Sound juicer doesn't give that option
[03:53] <forester> security rather
[03:53] <slimb> problem is we just moved into the house - everything is boxed!!! ... grr
[03:53] <Strife> forester: my guess: security updates
[03:53] <ivan> grip Chambers`
[03:53] <Chambers`> and Ipod doesn't play weel with ogg
[03:53] <Chambers`> thanks ivan
[03:53] <dumbledore> sudo what
[03:53] <ivan> sudo command to run as root
[03:53] <ivan> sudo whoami
[03:53] <dumbledore> oh
[03:53] <nickrud> forester, deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <slimb> by default there is no root user ... so everything is done as sudo <command>
[03:54] <nickrud> a lttle optomistic, there :)
[03:54] <ivan> or you can sudo su if you want a root shell
[03:54] <slimb> yeah
[03:54] <slimb> or you can create a root user :)
[03:54] <ivan> not that you need one
[03:54] <slimb> nahh
[03:54] <forester> got it goin now
[03:54] <ivan> make a root password, user's already there
[03:54] <slimb> although its funny to see the admins at my ISP always logged into the boxes as root instead of using su or sudo
[03:55] <forester> slimb: Yeah that's funny.
[03:55] <CruJones> ok so i pressed ctr alt f1
[03:55] <CruJones> how do i get out of that screen
[03:55] <slimb> they're some real bright dudes - but they're determined to be root all of the time apparently
[03:55] <forester> I laugh almost as hard when I see someone drive around without a seat belt or talkin on their phone, I just can't control myself.
[03:55] <forester> hahahahahahahaha
[03:56] <anto9us> CruJones: ctrl alt f7 to get back to the first x instance
[03:56] <CruJones> thanks Anto9us
[03:57] <CruJones> how do i install the audio codecs? i a nub
[03:57] <Strife> anyone know much about gpg?
[03:58] <mattlins> When I install packages with Synaptic Package Manager, where does it put them?  How do I run them?
[03:58] <Strife> particularly, I want to export my private keys from one computer so I can install them on the other
[03:58] <nova> any one know if theres drivers out there for the mx700 cordless mouse for ubuntu?
[03:58] <Chambers`> ivan, I installed lame and i set it in grip for my encoder but i get the error invalid encoder executable, any ideas?
[03:58] <forester> What's the next method by which developers will be allowed to destroy someone's work, recreating it as their own, even blatantly inverting the acronym, with the support of millions?
[03:58] <Anubis> nova, try google
[03:58] <Strife> nova: shouldn't need any special drivers... you want the extra buttons working, I presume?
[03:59] <nova> yeh i do
[03:59] <nova> i miss my foward and back buttons heh
[03:59] <nickrud> mattlins, the deb goes in /var/cache/apt/archives, the program gets scattered around /usr, and dpkg -L | grep bin will tell you the command
[03:59] <Strife> nova: let me see if I can find a page about it I found once
[03:59] <forester> I want to be on the lookout for it.
[03:59] <Anubis> http://www.google.com/linux
[03:59] <Strife> http://www.petebevin.com/archives/2004/09/16/linux_mx700_mouse_and_thumb_buttons.html
[03:59] <anto9us> mattlins: within synaptic you can look at the properties for an installed package for lots of info
[04:00] <forester> Last time I was big into Linux over 5 years ago people were doing the same thing.
[04:00] <ivan> Chambers`, do you have the right path to the executable
[04:00] <forester> Making their mouse work, or their sound work...
[04:00] <forester> etc.
[04:00] <djtansey> anyone here want to help me with data recovery? the hoary liveCD crashed and burned on my while I was doing a defrag of an external ext3 device (i know -- it was unneccessary. i'm regretting it now). i've run e2fsck -v -y /dev/sda1. after a million fixes it now seems to loop Inode 8 has illegal block(s).  Clear? yes Illegal block #673, and does about block #s. every time it cycles it does the next ten numbers.. i tried re-runn
[04:00] <djtansey> ing defrag after it failed, but it said " Invalid zone number." still says that. help?
[04:00] <Chambers`> ivan: I just put in 'lame'
[04:00] <forester> How do I ctrl-alt back to console, or X..
[04:00] <forester> etc.
[04:00] <dumbledore> haha i made up some numbers and it worked
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell esd that i want it to use only my onboard audio, as i'll have jack using the other soundcard?
[04:00] <dumbledore> i give it 10 minutes until it blows up ;P
[04:00] <forester> Anyone gonna work on any of this any time soon?
[04:01] <nickrud> dumbledore, :)
[04:01] <Lafitte-> NOTE    breezy  broke my system
[04:01] <forester> De-allocate some MS bashing time and you won't need to bash MS cuz Linux will actually start getting better instead.
[04:01] <slimb> NOTE breezy is going to break systems
[04:01] <Chambers`> nm, got it :)
[04:01] <Lafitte-> for everyone  i just installed again  heheh
[04:01] <dumbledore> btw how come root cant login from startup screen?
[04:01] <mainframe23> Can anyone help me with this?: I just installed ubuntu and tried to run that update thing as best I could, and now im at a text screen w/ the @buntu mail area and all I want to do is get to the GUI.
[04:02] <Amaranth> Lafitte-: ubuntuguide.org is _unofficial_ and _not supported_
[04:02] <forester> It means what it says.
[04:02] <slimb> ubuntuguide == someone's attempt at helping and entirely unofficial
[04:02] <Gnome> goodmoring everyone:)
[04:02] <forester> What is the next method. I want to be on the lookout for it.
[04:02] <ghpolo> breezy last upgrade took out x-window-system-core, right ?
[04:02] <slimb> it's wonderful thats for sure
[04:03] <slimb> i love ubuntuguide - but i try to cross reference it with the forums.  done me well so far
[04:03] <Amaranth> forester: Examples? You mean like xvid?
[04:03] <Strife> ubuntuguide is nice to get you started, but it's not very in depth
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> I believe he was referring to GPG
[04:03] <Strife> huh?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> because obviously it's a commie plot to destroy PGP
[04:03] <Lafitte-> now to setup again
[04:03] <slimb> gosh i suck at nethack :\
[04:04] <Strife> gpg pwns
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, it's totally offtopic
[04:04] <djtansey> no one can help with ext3 data recovery?
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell esd that i want it to use only my onboard audio, as i'll have jack using the other soundcard?
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the state of gpg since sha1 has been "broken"?
[04:05] <anto9us> HrdwrBoB: you talk about a commie plot like it's bad thing :)
[04:05] <ivan> djtansey, what'd you do to your data
[04:05] <slimb> mmm commie plots
[04:06] <Strife> not sure
[04:06] <mebaran151> how do I get the Mplayer from Hoary on Breezy
[04:07] <mebaran151> is a backport set up yet
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> don't use breezy
[04:07] <mainframe23> anyone know where i can get an ubuntu command list?
[04:07] <mainframe23> like where on the main site
[04:07] <^thehatsrule^> topic: PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[04:07] <Laforge> Ok so what folder do i put .sql files form my site in?
[04:07] <mebaran151> no
[04:07] <mebaran151> sorry
[04:07] <mebaran151> that was backward
[04:07] <mebaran151> the Mplayer from Breezy on Hoary
[04:07] <^thehatsrule^> command list? just look up linux commands on google
[04:07] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:07] <djtansey> ivan: i was e2fscking my external usb disk with hoary's liveCD and decided to defrag it. for some reason the system choked while defragging -- became unresponsive for a really long time. i rebootted and tried to defrag again. got "Invalid zone number." tried to e2fsck it. got a lot of errors. after that defrag still didn't work. and the e2fsck keeps looping and says Inode 8 has illegal block(s).  Clear? yes. then does ten bloc
[04:07] <djtansey> ks. then finishes the fsck. when it starts again it get the next ten blocks. ad infinitum.
[04:07] <mebaran151> the other way doesnt make any sense