[10:02] <NCommander> does anyone know where the flash-kernel bzr branch vanished to ?
[10:03] <NCommander> oh, nm, found it
[14:04] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1197 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Canonicalise device names printed by 'mdadm --detail' (LP: #695842).
[14:16] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1198 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.60ubuntu1
[14:31] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: here
[14:32] <cjwatson> annunaki2k2: ok, so given that sudo is in the base system, you can't easily insert before it, which is what I was hoping
[14:32] <cjwatson> annunaki2k2: so I think the most straightforward approach would be to not use pkgsel/include for this package, and instead do it by hand slightly afterwards
[14:33] <cjwatson> annunaki2k2: something like this should work:  d-i preseed/late_command string SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=1 apt-install sudo-ldap
[14:34] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: ahh, brilliant idea!
[14:34] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: think I'll give that a try right now - again (sadly) it takes a long time to get to that point in the installation, but it'll be worth the wait
[14:35] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: is it worth me filing a bug on this one as well?
[14:38] <cjwatson> as on #debian-boot, I think there should be a bug that this behaviour of sudo is only controllable in the environment and not by debconf preseeding, yes
[14:39] <annunaki2k2> thanks - I'll file one shortly
[14:58] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1173 lucid-proposed/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Canonicalise device names printed by 'mdadm --detail' (LP: #695842).
[15:18] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: unfortunately that didn't work.
[15:18] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: There is a different error this time: "Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled."
[15:18] <cjwatson> oh, drat, sorry
[15:19] <annunaki2k2> no problems - I appreciate any help, even if it doesn't work :-)
[15:19] <cjwatson> in that case
[15:19] <cjwatson> firstly, don't reboot yet
[15:20] <annunaki2k2> haven't - but have grabbed syslog in case you'd like it again
[15:20] <cjwatson> it's OK, I know what the problem is
[15:21] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/late_command string SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=1 debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y install sudo-ldap
[15:21] <cjwatson> tedious :-/
[15:21] <cjwatson> er, blast, still wrong
[15:22] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/late_command string in-target sh -c 'SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=1 debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y install sudo-ldap'
[15:22] <cjwatson> I think I'm going to change apt-install to have an --allow-remove option so that  SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=1 apt-install --allow-remove sudo-ldap  would be sufficient - that incantation is fairly ridiculous
[15:23] <annunaki2k2> ok, I can add that to the preseed, but you said do not reboot. Can I assume there is a way to implement that straight away?
[15:23] <annunaki2k2> that's a fair point, but then again, it's great to know there is a work around all the same
[15:24] <cjwatson> if you hadn't rebooted then you could have tested it out from the shell on alt-f2, which would be quicker
[15:24] <cjwatson> easier to iterate that way
[15:25] <annunaki2k2> so you mean just run the command in shell command? I have not rebooted it yet
[15:25] <cjwatson> ah, I misread
[15:25] <cjwatson> yeah, just type everything from "in-target" onwards into the shell
[15:28] <annunaki2k2> unfortunately: "sh: debconf-apt-progress: not found"
[15:28] <annunaki2k2> I have tried /usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress too, but it does the same
[15:29] <cjwatson> uh, that's fairly odd
[15:29] <cjwatson> you've definitely got all the quotes right and included the in-target bit?
[15:29] <cjwatson> 15:28 <CIA-3> cjwatson * r230f451 debian-installer-utils/ (README apt-install debian/changelog): Add an --allow-remove option to apt-install, which inhibits passing --no-remove to apt-get.
[15:30] <annunaki2k2> and if i run only whats in the quotes I get the same
[15:31] <annunaki2k2> yes, fairly sure I have it all correctly typed
[15:32] <annunaki2k2> This is the netboot installer - does that make a difference? Where in the busybox shell should debconf-..... be located?
[15:33] <annunaki2k2> is it okay to call the one inside "/target"?
[15:36] <annunaki2k2> scratch that - just explicitly specified /target/usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress and that didn't help
[15:36] <annunaki2k2> same error
[15:37] <annunaki2k2> In fact, when I run /target/usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress with no parameters, it still says "not found"
[15:38] <cjwatson> that would not work at all
[15:38] <cjwatson> in-target is a wrapper for chroot /target so you should not have /target in the path
[15:38] <annunaki2k2> ok - just trying anyway
[15:39] <cjwatson> what does 'echo $PATH' say at the busybox shell?
[15:39] <cjwatson> running only what is in the quotes would fail miserably, fwiw
[15:39] <cjwatson> and it doesn't make a difference that this is the netboot installer
[15:40] <cjwatson> can you confirm (with ls) that /target/usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress exists?
[15:40] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r336 usb-creator/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Add the ability to test freshly written disks in KVM.
[15:40] <annunaki2k2> right, having said that in-target was a wrapper to chroot makes some sense now. When you said 'from "in-target" onwards' I ran the "sh -c ....." bit only. Prefixing in-target works....
[15:40] <annunaki2k2> ...sorry for that
[15:42] <cjwatson> ah, yes, I meant inclusive
[15:43] <cjwatson> ok, so if that works and results in sudo-ldap being installed in /target, you should be able to add that to your preseed and test from scratch
[15:46] <annunaki2k2> yes, well it hasn't come back with any errors expect ones that I think are only relating to having to run in "noninteractive mode". Adding to the preseed file and trying anyway...
[16:37] <annunaki2k2> cjwatson: it has worked perfectly - thank you so much for your help
[16:48] <cjwatson> oh good, you're welcome
[17:30] <ev> hm, is it just me or do our instructions for writing Ubuntu to a USB disk on Mac not work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565473/
[17:31] <ev> looking at http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/hdiutil.1.html I don't see how hdiutil would actually write boot code to the MBR, and even then, Mac wouldn't boot it as it doesn't support anything but EFI from USB devices.
[19:40] <gswallow> Hello, all.
[19:42] <gswallow> I would like to exclude deb-src lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list file when I automatically install ubuntu.  Is this possible without having to resort to preseed/late?  Is there an apt-setup quesiton that I'm not aware of (and is there an easy way to figure out where these apt-setup options are?)
[19:42] <gswallow> Thanks.
[19:44] <cjwatson> there is no way to preseed that away other than preseed/late_command, sorry
[19:44] <gswallow> fair enough.
[19:44] <gswallow> thanks again!
[19:52] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1174 lucid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.49ubuntu11.2
[19:52] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1187 maverick-proposed/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Canonicalise device names printed by 'mdadm --detail' (LP: #695842).
[19:53] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1188 maverick-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.55ubuntu4.1
[20:13] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1410 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~apw/debian-installer/kernel-update
[21:42] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1411 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu15


[02:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: I saw something to do with minimal installation
[02:11] <flocculant> sigh
[02:11] <flocculant> that was more a hardcoded list of packages to remove - not like tasksel
[02:13] <Unit193> That was my guess.
[02:15] <flocculant> https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/minimal-package-list/+merge/337700
[02:15] <flocculant> though I did see something which was an actual list
[02:37] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar-shares-plugin 0.3.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-shares-plugin-0-3-0-released-tp50763.html (by André Miranda)
[04:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks, and looks like we should be good to publish at any time
[10:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: published it
[10:23] <flocculant> knome: do you want the cover pic at fb to be bionic?
[10:23] <flocculant> if so please give me $6,000,000 :D
[10:27] <flocculant> posted on fb
[10:28] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - could we have some twitter and g+1 love too :)
[11:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: did you have any more feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/thunar-uca-print/+merge/340058, or is it ready to merge?
[12:35] <Unit193> I hope not at least!
[12:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r662 [ Simon Steinbeiß ]... (by Sean Davis)
[12:53] <flocculant> what are these tiling shortcuts then?
[12:53] <flocculant> don't suppose there's a list anywhere is there?
[13:50] <ochosi> flocculant: just super+arrows for the four tilings and then numpad stuff for the corners. it's editable in xfwm4's keyboard settings anyway
[14:47] <flocculant> ochosi: I guess I turned it all off somehow then lol
[16:42] <pleia2> flocculant: done
[16:42] <flocculant> pleia2: you're wonderful :)
[16:42] <flocculant> thanks
[16:43] <pleia2> <3
[16:45] <pleia2> https://twitter.com/AaronPrisk/status/970300878904332288?s=09
[16:45] <pleia2> good job all around :)
[16:48] <flocculant> Kumool: can you :)
[16:48] <flocculant> ha ha
[16:49] <flocculant> that was supposed to be a :)
[16:51] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - seems we have light-locker issues again - someone in #xubuntu is finding ti not working, wouldn't trigger in vm here either
[16:55] <flocculant> can't seem to get it working in bionic either
[16:59] <flocculant> https://i.imgur.com/v7bKZlB.png
[17:00] <flocculant> bbl
[18:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: seems to work here with a fully updated bionic... try "light-locker-command -l"
[18:14] <bluesabre> I think -q queries whether it is currently locked
[18:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: it appeared to eventually get there - just a good while after the 2 minutes I'd it set for
[18:26] <flocculant> and -l does lock
[18:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: weren't there some greeter-specific fixes needed for greybird..?
[18:42] <ochosi> or for the greeter itself, can't remember
[18:42] <ochosi> something with panel and panel items there
[21:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: the panel on the top has slightly different bg color where the indicators are, but there
[21:08] <bluesabre> 's also fixes needed for the greeter itself, it looks bad in adwaita
[21:33] <ochosi> hmm, ok
[21:33] <ochosi> i can take a look at it in xephyr
[21:33] <ochosi> (if i remember how to do the test run of the greeter)
[21:33] <ochosi> i think by now my gtk3 understanding is in a different place then back then, so i'd hope that will be easy to fix
[21:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[22:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: dm-tool add-nested-seat
[22:05] <bluesabre> and "allow-debugging=true" in the conf so you can run inspector
[22:05] <ochosi> that sounds different than what i remembered, but i'll go with anything that works :p
[22:05] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:05] <ochosi> btw, the checkbuttons in gtk2 already match gtk3
[22:05] <bluesabre> lightdm --test-mode has been broken for years
[22:05] <ochosi> ah right
[22:05] <ochosi> that was what i remembered
[22:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r663 * Add new custom action for Thunar to "Print file/s", affect... (by Sean Davis)
[22:06] <bluesabre> and that's merged
[22:06] <bluesabre> still waiting for -release ack
[22:06] <ochosi> (just need to put the finishing touches on the checkboxes)
[22:06] <ochosi> kewl, thanks a bunch
[22:06] <ochosi> it's a fairly trivial and easy-to-read script, i don't expect big troubles
[22:07] <ochosi> we've really been on quite a release/fixing roll lately
[22:08] <ochosi> very nice stuff coming together there
[22:08] <ochosi> btw, if you're looking for the 4.12 version of the display patch i mentioned yesterday, you can check this branch (schuellerf was kind enough to cherry-pick already) https://git.xfce.org/users/schuellerf/xfce4-settings/
[22:09] <ochosi> i already discovered another potential race condition in the connect/disconnect cycle btw
[22:10] <bluesabre> nice
[22:11] <ochosi> i'll try to fix that asap as well
[22:11] <ochosi> but i also don't wanna keep adding to your review backlog
[22:11] <ochosi> i'll give you some breathing space and fix greybird first
[22:11] <ochosi> then the greeter, then the display dialog (i guess)
[22:12] <bluesabre> alrighty, sounds good to me
[22:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: hm, so how do i get to the greeter? that straight launches my session
[22:50] <ochosi> or do i need to disable auto-login?
[22:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup
[22:50] <ochosi> (logging out just seems to produce a blackscreen)
[22:50] <ochosi> the allow-debugging goes into lightdm's conf or the greeter's?
[22:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: greeter conf
[22:51] <ochosi> (ah right, had already enabled it in the settings dialog...)
[22:52] <ochosi> meh, so i guess i need to restart lightdm for the setting to take effect...
[22:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: how do you start the inspector there again? the shortcut (ctrl+shift+d doesn't seem to take any effect as ctrl+shift are the grab keys for xephyr)
[23:02] <ochosi> i think i have some ideas for patches already to fix the panel vs. menubar situation (which produces the weird look of adwaita), but i can't use the inspector to do live testing :/
[23:06] <ochosi> (seems both keyboard shortcuts are hardwired :'( )
[23:15] <ochosi> guess i need to investigate another time when i know how to actually launch the inspector there
[23:29] <bluesabre> ctrl+shift+i I think is the normal one
[23:29] <bluesabre> otherwise you'll probably have to lock your screen to launch it
[23:34] <ochosi> yeah, but the problem is ctrl+shift is swallowed by xephyr
[23:34] <ochosi> or does that shortcut actually work for you..?
[23:37] <bluesabre> haven't tried, don't do much theming :)
[23:37] <ochosi> meh :)
[23:53] <ochosi> fwiw i also don't manage to launch gtkinspector in my actual greeter...
[23:54] <ochosi> even though allow-debugging is set to true
[23:55] <bluesabre> might require more now
[23:55] <bluesabre> when they first introduced it, you only needed the shortcut
[23:55] <ochosi> mhm, quite possible
[23:55] <bluesabre> then they required an env var as well
[23:55] <ochosi> i think you also need the env var
[23:55] <ochosi> right
[23:57] <ochosi> another day then
[23:58] <ochosi> hm, it also needs the gsetting
[23:58] <ochosi> globally, i guess
[23:58] <ochosi> "gsettings set org.gtk.Settings.Debug enable-inspector-keybinding true"


[11:39] <Saviq> Odd_Bloke: hey, re: minimal again, do you know if /dev/tty0 and friends are possible to re-enable at all?
[11:43] <Saviq> Odd_Bloke: just realized CONFIG_VT is disabled in there, so that probably says 'no'...
[12:28] <ahasenack> doko: hi, around? Do you recall what you were trying to fix with https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/commit/?id=39e4993bf605d89aaa8aaafc562838ed3422d7ef ?
[12:28] <ahasenack> never mind the initscript, or the /usr/local bit, just the site-packages -> *-packages bit bit
[12:28] <ahasenack> the build works without it, and it's a delta we are carrying, I'm wondering if we still have to carry this delta
[12:29] <ahasenack> and the paths in the *.install files don't seem to mean much for what ends up in the package: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CBvNgDmp9d/
[12:40] <TJ-> ahasenack: did you see my replies last night after you left/
[12:40] <ahasenack> TJ-: yep
[12:43] <ginggs> ahasenack: see the build failures here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/1.16.1-1ubuntu2
[12:44] <ahasenack> so maybe dh-install or dh-python changed in cosmic since then?
[12:45] <ahasenack> but good to have a link now, thanks ginggs
[12:48] <ginggs> ahasenack: yw, i guess they could have changed.  maybe try rebuilding 1.16.1-1ubuntu2 now and see what happens
[12:49] <ahasenack> it worked, but let me try in a proper ppa, without universe, etc
[12:51] <ahasenack> TJ-: where did you see the bit about the cpython-36m in the module name? readme.rst?
[13:05] <TJ-> ahasenack: I think I grep-ed for it in the package
[13:25] <Odd_Bloke> Saviq: I don't know, no; could you file a bug that I can point some (hopefully) more knowledgeable people at?
[13:57] <rbasak> seb128: why did you remove the tag from bug 1606828? It does look like it should be Fix Released now though?
[13:58] <seb128> rbasak, because bionic has 9.11 so that's not an update needed
[13:59] <seb128> rbasak, but yeah, closing would work as well, I just wanted to get the bug out of one of our reports since it was boggus
[14:00] <rbasak> I see, OK. I favour Fix Released as that status line is for the development release, and it's done there now.
[14:00]  * rbasak does so
[14:03] <seb128> rbasak, wfm, I was unsure if 9.11 was a new version or serie and if the current version included all the fixes from 9.10.4 so I didn't want to take the decision to close it
[14:31] <jamespage> slangasek: I think the desire is to always test on the latest Ubuntu LTS which is ok - the primary gate would still be python 3.6, but if we can figure out a way to supply newer python versions (3.7, 3.8) onto 18.04, then we're less likely to see specific issues with those versions appearing as we move towards 20.04
[14:32] <jamespage> (context was python 3.7 in bionic)
[14:35] <TJ-> Could someone take a look at Bug #1686084 which affects Bionic, multiple users poked me about in IRC. Originally started in Zesty. Doesn't exist in Cosmic.
[14:35] <kyrofa> Hey mvo, yesterday we tracked down why the armhf autopkgtest runner can't install snaps. Take a look at the profile being used: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W7VX2SB5Fr/
[14:35] <kyrofa> mvo, take note of the raw.lxc section
[14:37] <mvo> kyrofa: hm, hm, this indicates this should work I guess?
[14:37] <kyrofa> mvo, this profile works without the raw.lxc, and gives these types of errors when it's present: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mVBKB7ZSHn/
[14:38] <mvo> kyrofa: so if you make the profile *unrestricted* it gives you permission denied errors but if you use the default (which I assume is restricted) it works? did I get this right?
[14:38] <kyrofa> mvo, rather than change the profile (which according to git was done to make pbuilder useful), slangasek was hoping to learn what was missing to make snapd happy having more privilege
[14:40] <mvo> kyrofa: maybe stgraber can help? I find this deeply confusing. I don't know why it works with more confinement and stops working when unconfined
[14:41] <mvo> kyrofa: I will set it on the todo list to investigate though, I pressume htis is reproducible on x86 as well(?)
[14:42] <kyrofa> mvo, I haven't tried, I installed lxd from the 2.0 track on my rpi (that lxc.raw bit is invalid for 3.0, it seems)
[14:42] <kyrofa> That's how I was able to duplicate
[14:42] <kyrofa> But yes, I wouldn't be surprised
[14:43] <kyrofa> If it _doesn't_ break on x86 I'll be quite confused indeed :P
[14:43] <mvo> jdstrand: do you have any idea why lxd could start failing to install snaps with the setting:    lxc.aa_profile=unconfined
[14:43] <mvo> kyrofa: yeah, a "fun" problem - a deep rabithole
[14:44] <mvo> kyrofa: on the bright side, if we solve this, maybe we can even run our autopkgtests inside lxd in armhf :)
[14:46] <kyrofa> mvo, exactly! Would be very nice to solve
[14:47] <stgraber> because lxc.aa_profile=unconfined means that there is no apparmor at all so snapd in the container would modify the host's apparmor which also normally means we won't give the container cap_mac_admin/cap_mac_override
[14:47] <stgraber> what snapd needs is an apparmor namespace
[14:50] <mvo> stgraber: so we can fix this on our side? do we need to detect if we run inside an unconfined container
[14:51] <stgraber> mvo: you should be able to detect a lack of mac_admin/mac_override capabilities which would mean you can't interact with apparmor
[14:52] <mvo> stgraber: ok, so if we don't have mac_admin, what should we do then, can we create the apparmor namespace ourselfs (pardon my ignorance) or should we just display some sensible message
[14:54] <stgraber> nope, if you don't have mac_admin you won't be able to do anything apparmor-related
[14:54] <stgraber> so you could treat the system as if it had apparmor disabled
[14:55] <mvo> stgraber: that sounds sensible, let me try to figure out how to detect this
[15:02] <rbasak> seb128: that makes sense. I was looking at it from the opposite perspective of it being a general version bump request rather than for any specific bugs, which is why I tagged it. But either way it's gone now :)
[15:03] <seb128> rbasak, good :)
[15:07] <kyrofa> mvo, that would be excellent, please let me know if I can help test, my rpi is still setup
[15:08] <mvo> kyrofa: still trying to figure that out
[18:15] <kyrofa> I've gotten a few autopkgtest failures today that I can't quite reason out, can I get some help? Here's an example<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:16] <kyrofa> The pkgProblemResolver bit seemed odd
[18:17] <kyrofa> I thought maybe it was temporary archive flux, but it's happened twice now
[18:26]  * jdstrand reads backscroll and see that the conversation resolved itself
[18:26] <jdstrand> sees*
[20:23] <infinity> GunnarHj: Ah-ha.  Found why I can validate and you can't. :P
[20:24] <infinity> GunnarHj: My package works on upgrade from xenial to bionic-proposed.  However, if you upgrade to bionic in between, then delete XKBOPTIONS from the config file, the upgrade to bionic-proposed, it pulls options from debconf.  Fixing.
[20:46] <GunnarHj> infinity: Great, thanks!
[20:47] <infinity> GunnarHj: Well, fixing when I wrap my head around it.  For the record, this bug has existed forever, it's just that until now (I guess) no one hand-edited /etc/default/keyboard, deleted XKBOPTIONS, and expected that to work. :P
[20:47] <infinity> GunnarHj: The problem is that we load all the options from debconf, then overwrite them by sourcing /etc/default/keyboard
[20:48] <infinity> GunnarHj: So, if XKBOPTIONS is gone entirely, instead of registering that as "the user has no xkboptions", we still have the old debconf answers.
[20:48] <infinity> GunnarHj: Which means, I guess, I need to replace sourcing the file with an actual file parser that treats missing vars as empty.
[20:49] <infinity> (ick)
[20:54] <GunnarHj> infinity: I agree on your background description. The increased importance of the issue is the combination of the GNOME behavior and the fact that GNOME is now the default desktop.
[20:55] <GunnarHj> infinity: GNOME and Debian don't play well together in this respect.
[20:56] <infinity> GunnarHj: Yeah, whatever file parsing madness I come up with here, I'll push to Debian too.  It's clearly a bug that we're ignoring user preferences in the case of deleted vars.
[20:56] <infinity> GunnarHj: It's just that, I suspect, no one really noticed until now.
[23:18] <mwhudson> infinity: so i got assigned this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1777900 -- without thinking about it at all hard do you have any intuition where the problem might be?
[23:20] <infinity> ubiquity$ rgrep -l resolv\.conf | egrep -v '^debian|^d-i'
[23:20] <infinity> bin/oem-config-remaster
[23:20] <infinity> scripts/plugininstall.py
[23:20] <infinity> mwhudson: ^--- I'd guess one of those two files. :P
[23:21] <mwhudson> heh
[23:21] <mwhudson> i think oem-config-remaster is ancient cruft
[23:22] <infinity> It seems so.
[23:22] <infinity> And the pluginstall bit starts with:
[23:22] <infinity>         if self.target != '/':
[23:22] <infinity>             for path in ('/etc/network/interfaces', '/etc/resolv.conf'):
[23:23] <infinity> Which means it shouldn't run during oem-config.
[23:23] <infinity> But maybe that's the very problem.
[23:23] <mwhudson> i think i'm going to mark /etc/resolv.conf immutable before running oem-config and see what breaks
[23:25] <mwhudson> which might not be terribly revealing but maybe worth a go


[01:36] <amazoniantoad> I'm trying to install ubuntu server edition on a dell poweredge 2800 but I can't seem to get the disks listed when trying to install. There are about 7 hard drives present so I don't know how this is happening
[01:36] <amazoniantoad> Anyone ever handled one of these things? This is my first time
[01:37] <amazoniantoad> Originally when I tried to install from USB the only drive it listed was the cdrom, burnt the iso to it and now nothing is listed
[01:40] <sarnold> do you need to reconfigure the perc card in some fashion? e.g. set it to hba mode or set up a raid array via bios or something similar?
[01:44] <amazoniantoad> I don't know what a perc card is. PXE is an option. I also don't know what hba mode is. I tried finding something to do with the RAID configuration in the BIOS but no luck
[01:46] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: press ctrl-r (as in RAID) during boot. PERC is a storage controller (Dells' proprietary HW RAID)
[01:46] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: doesn't display that as an option but I'll try that right now
[01:47] <amazoniantoad> bios revision a06
[01:47] <amazoniantoad> utility mode, setup, pxe mode
[01:47] <sarnold> there's a chance it might be prompting you while video doesn't work..
[01:47] <sarnold> servers are cranky like that
[01:48] <tomreyn> also, utility mode might get you there
[01:48] <amazoniantoad> It's still loading, very very little memory on this machine
[01:48] <tomreyn> some screen shots here https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln292433/dell-poweredge-no-boot-device-available-is-displayed-during-startup?lang=en
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> options so fuck
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> scsiselect utility
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> bmc setyo
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> setup*
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> so far*
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> wth?
[01:49] <amazoniantoad> Why did it autocomplete with a curse...
[01:50] <amazoniantoad> So it offers all of those options
[01:50] <amazoniantoad> then it boots into my installation media
[01:53] <tomreyn> enter setup, go to "integrated devices", see what "Embedded RAID controller" is set to
[01:54] <tomreyn> ...and which values are available for this option.
[01:54] <amazoniantoad> okay
[01:56] <amazoniantoad> os install mode is off
[01:57] <amazoniantoad> dont see embedded raid controller
[01:57] <tomreyn> okay maybe you just have none then
[01:57] <amazoniantoad> No what?
[01:57] <amazoniantoad> I know there are hard drives
[01:57] <amazoniantoad> I'm looking at them
[01:58] <sarnold> are they plugged into a backplane? is the backplane connected to anything on the motherboard?
[01:58] <amazoniantoad> I'm going to have to take this thing apart to get a better look
[01:58] <amazoniantoad> Because there are big sheets of metal covering up spots
[01:59] <sarnold> I'd *hope* the connectors for the backplane would be accessible with just removing the top..
[01:59] <sarnold> afterall someone might need to service the machine while it's still on the rails..
[01:59] <amazoniantoad> I see embedded server management
[02:00] <amazoniantoad> This guy just left this server at this office and it didn't actually do anything. It ran some special version of windows but all he used it for was for employees to clock in
[02:00] <amazoniantoad> We have shifted away from that and now I have to repurpose this thing
[02:01] <amazoniantoad> I'll be back
[02:01] <amazoniantoad> I'm going to start taking this thing apart
[02:02] <sarnold> "Embedded dual channel Ultra320 SCSI" .. heh, this is older than I expected ;)
[02:02] <tomreyn> :)
[02:03] <tomreyn> there is an add-on raid-controller, PDF page 6 of https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-2800_user%27s%20guide8_en-us.pdf explains how to locate it.
[02:03] <tomreyn> but since it's an add-on it makes me think it's not installe dby default.
[02:03] <tomreyn> server manuals https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/poweredge-2800/manuals
[02:04] <sarnold> "raid key"
[02:04] <tomreyn> latest BIOS is A07, 07 Jul 2012
[02:04] <tomreyn> cute, isnt it?
[02:04] <sarnold> remind me to hug my supermicro when I head back downstairs :) sheeeesh
[02:04] <tomreyn> :)
[02:05] <tomreyn> latest BMC Firmware, v.1.83, A10, 07 Jul 2012
[02:05] <tomreyn> latest Backplane Firmware, v.1.00, A01, 07 Jul 2012 (so probably no upgrade needed there, phew)
[02:06] <sarnold> hah
[02:17] <tomreyn> 2 gb ram installed by default
[02:18] <tomreyn> but dell selles refurbished 256 MB DDR2 ecc upgrade modules for it
[02:18] <tomreyn> so you're safe.
[02:18] <sarnold> oh man.. how much do they want for those? :)
[02:18] <tomreyn> dunno, no prices there.
[02:18] <sarnold> uhoh, talk to sales staff territory, that can't be good. they have boat payments to make.. :)
[02:19] <tomreyn> :)
[02:20] <tomreyn> 15k rpm scsi drives
[02:20] <tomreyn> 36 GB :)
[02:22] <sarnold> I wonder how throughput / latency on those compare to my spinning metal disks.. probably pretty favourably
[02:23] <tomreyn> 2x 1900W PSU
[02:23] <tomreyn> might draw a little bit more power than yours
[02:25] <sarnold> insert impressed whistle sound here
[02:25] <sarnold> that's incredible
[02:31] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: so it's actually Ctrl-M to enter RAID controller setup according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtbstKvdhBs
[02:31] <sarnold> for "mraid"? :)
[02:33] <tomreyn> or "make it work", not sure
[02:33] <tomreyn> Ctrl-E for BMC, also doesnt make a lot of sense, unless it stands for enlightenment.
[03:03] <dpb1> any ZFS expertise around?  I am running into this and wondering what is up.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1054051/zpool-import-not-importing
[03:10] <sarnold> dpb1: zpool import -d /dev/disks/by-id/ or something similar --- just plain /dev/ if you don't care about stable device names in the vdevs
[03:10] <dpb1> sarnold: ya, same behavior with either -d /dev/disks/by-id or -d /dev
[03:11] <sarnold> :/
[03:11] <sarnold> dpb1: dmesg?
[03:11]  * dpb1 looks
[03:14] <dpb1> nothing in dmesg, :/  looking if there is a way to set debug, etc
[03:14] <sarnold> dpb1: hmm. okay, maybe make a new directory, and copy the exact device node into that directory..
[03:17] <dpb1> you mean, like mknod?
[03:18] <sarnold> that ought to do it too.. but I thought cp would do that for you?
[03:19] <sarnold> oh man. cp tries to *read* the thing. ew.
[03:19] <sarnold> yeah then mknod. heh.
[03:20] <dpb1> ok, did cp -dp
[03:20] <dpb1> same
[03:20] <dpb1> no pools available to import
[03:23] <dpb1> hrmph
[03:25] <sarnold> dpb1: time to head to #zfsonlinux and hope dehacked is around..
[03:27] <dpb1> asked
[03:27] <dpb1> :)
[05:03] <qwebirc52334> anyone can help me? i am having problem installing full gnome desktop on ubuntu 18.04 server
[05:03] <qwebirc52334> the command sudo apt install tasksel taking forever to finish
[05:03] <qwebirc52334> cleaned installed on a VM
[05:03] <qwebirc52334> installation and network config is done. i can log-in and now wanted to install gnome desktop
[05:23] <qwebirc52334> update: i am following this thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/53822/how-do-you-run-ubuntu-server-with-a-gui
[05:23] <qwebirc52334> it sas to do this "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[05:24] <qwebirc52334> the first one sudo apt-get update is taking long time. is there anyway to do it faster?/
[05:38] <tomreyn> qwebirc52334: why do you install a gui on a server?
[05:39] <qwebirc52334> to do works conveniently without remembering commands
[05:40] <qwebirc52334> if I had a GUI, browsing though the settings and files would have been easier for me
[05:40] <tomreyn> it effectively prevent that you learn your way around the terminal, but you really should if you want to manage servers regularly, since once you do, you will work much better, faster, more effectively. running a GUI also consumes system resources you could better use for other things. and last but not least, it increases the attack surface.
[05:41] <tomreyn> you could use text based GUIs such as ncdu which don't depend on X
[05:42] <tomreyn> your choice - i just would not recommend it. if you still would like to proceed, show the output of the apt-get update command.
[05:42] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | qwebirc52334
[05:43] <qwebirc52334> i understand. for example, right now I am having issue with very slow apt-get and I dont know why. my internet is very fast, and do not have any issue with windows servers at all. i have seen that I might have to change repository, how do I do that? if i had a GUI, i could probably find it out by myself
[05:44] <tomreyn> without a GUI, you can find out yourself as well, you just need to search the web a little. these tasks have been done and documented many many times before, so you're not alone.
[05:45] <tomreyn> sure, it will take a bit longer than doing it on a gui the first and second time, but by the third time you will start saving time.
[05:45] <tomreyn> and get much better error output.
[05:45] <tomreyn> !terminal | qwebirc52334 this is for later, to get you started
[05:46] <qwebirc52334> ok, I am following..
[05:46] <tomreyn> see the link 'Using the terminal' there
[05:46] <tomreyn> for now, i can guide you at least to find out why apt is slow
[05:46] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version is this, do you know? if not, run: lsb_release -ds
[05:47] <tomreyn> oh you said 18.04, sorry.
[05:47] <qwebirc52334> i dont have any error now.......but its very slow i can say. right now its stuck at 18% [11 sources 0 B/1,098 B 0%]
[05:47] <qwebirc52334> its 18.04 amd64
[05:48] <tomreyn> okay, can you run this in a second terminal window: apt-cache policy | pastebinit -
[05:48] <tomreyn> this should return a http address, or an error message saying you dont have pastbeinit installed
[05:48] <qwebirc52334> ok, sorry for asking but how do I open second terminal?
[05:49] <tomreyn> are you connected to the server using ssh?
[05:49] <qwebirc52334> i am connected to console
[05:49] <tomreyn> so you have keyboard and mointor attached to it and are sitting necxt to it?
[05:49] <qwebirc52334> its a VM and I am directly connected to display
[05:49] <qwebirc52334> yes
[05:50] <tomreyn> okay, which virtualization is this?
[05:50] <qwebirc52334> VMware
[05:50] <tomreyn> a pity, i dont know enough about it.
[05:50] <qwebirc52334> esxi 5.1
[05:50] <qwebirc52334> i can use my keyboard and mouse to inout to the VM console
[05:50] <tomreyn> i see, you can install an ssh server next time, then access the system via ssh.
[05:51] <tomreyn> this allows you to connect to it multiple times and have multiple sessions open at once.
[05:51] <tomreyn> there are better ways for this, but this is too advanced for now.
[05:51] <qwebirc52334> ok. may be after this is done or probably errored-out..
[05:52] <qwebirc52334> i think i can connect to to the server by ssh
[05:52] <tomreyn> at how many % is it now?
[05:52] <qwebirc52334> 18%
[05:52] <qwebirc52334> let me open putty to connect to it
[05:52] <tomreyn> okay, just cancel it then. press ctrl-c
[05:52] <qwebirc52334> ok
[05:52] <tomreyn> oh you can connect with ssh already?
[05:52] <qwebirc52334> cancelled
[05:52] <tomreyn> putty is an ssh client
[05:53] <qwebirc52334> i didnt try before but i think i can connect to ssh. anyway, i cancelled the apt-get command
[05:53] <qwebirc52334> and thanks thanks for your helping me.....
[05:53] <tomreyn> okay, let's test internet access: type this, press enter, and tell me what it says for % packet loss on the bottom:  ping -c 3 abc.de
[05:54] <qwebirc52334> ok
[05:54] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[05:55] <qwebirc52334> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 7181ms
[05:56] <qwebirc52334> rtt min/abg/max/mdev = 283/285/287/1.670 ms
[05:56] <qwebirc52334> so thats the statistics
[05:56] <tomreyn> ok, that's pretty long, wher ein the world are you?
[05:56] <qwebirc52334> i am in Guam
[05:57] <tomreyn> ok, maybe then it is fine, i do not know how well the internet infrastructure is there
[05:57] <qwebirc52334> the internet speed that I usually get from our Windows servers is around 10+MB (mega byte) download
[05:57] <tomreyn> and germany where this server is is far from you.
[05:58] <qwebirc52334> its a 150Mbps connection
[05:59] <qwebirc52334> ok. is there anyway to choose a nearest package server?
[05:59] <tomreyn> okay, that's very good if it's per second, i was just referring to latency, not bandwidth.
[05:59] <tomreyn> okay, so let's see what is up with apt
[05:59] <tomreyn> right, we should do this
[06:00] <tomreyn> can you try to connect to the server via putty?
[06:00] <qwebirc52334> ok
[06:00] <tomreyn> if this works out then yxou can just copy and paste the commands i type, andwhat they return, this would be easier for you
[06:00] <tomreyn> i assume you had to type the statistics you provided above?
[06:01] <qwebirc52334> yes, logged in through putty
[06:02] <qwebirc52334> yes, u r right
[06:02] <tomreyn> very well, so what does this return? apt-cache policy 2>&1 | pastebinit -
[06:02] <qwebirc52334> now it will be easy
[06:03] <qwebirc52334> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mss2khCF37/
[06:04] <tomreyn> also, if you will come here regulalrly, i recommend you install an IRC client instead of using the website to login to the chat. personally i like the "hexchat" IRC client which is available on the major desktop operating systems
[06:05] <qwebirc52334> hmm, i see. well, I will try to get an IRC client. what client do u recommend?
[06:05] <tomreyn> see what i just wrote ;)
[06:05] <qwebirc52334> oh, got it
[06:06] <tomreyn> next, please post: ping -c5 archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 | pastebinit -
[06:07] <qwebirc52334> ssh not responding......pls give me a moment
[06:09] <qwebirc52334> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TQjcJdBXQt/
[06:10] <tomreyn> hmm, maybe soemthing is not right with the VM, let's check this: dmesg | pastebinit -
[06:10] <tomreyn> the trailing '-' is not actually needed
[06:11] <qwebirc52334> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kTkHqs3m9x/
[06:12] <tomreyn> you can remove the virtual floppy if esx can do this. you will never need it.
[06:13] <qwebirc52334> yes
[06:13] <tomreyn> can you show: pastebinit <( free -m; df -h; )
[06:13] <qwebirc52334> ok, i joined hexchat as sunshine5
[06:14] <tomreyn> * sunshine5 :No such nick/channel
[06:14] <tomreyn> maybe you connected to a different IRC network. we are on Freenode.
[06:14] <qwebirc52334> sorry, rf53
[06:15] <tomreyn> oh ok :)
[06:15] <rf53> hi tomreyn, this is me
[06:15] <tomreyn> hello hello.
[06:15] <tomreyn> see if you like this better
[06:15] <tomreyn> rf53: this is what a hilight looks like on hexchat
[06:16] <rf53> yes, better than webclient
 can you show: pastebinit <( free -m; df -h; )
[06:16] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QmbjKgm7QS/
[06:18] <tomreyn> what does "uptime" return? its just one line, post it here directly
[06:18] <rf53> i need to shutdown server to remove floppy drive
[06:18] <rf53>  06:18:32 up  1:06,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[06:18] <tomreyn> okay, i'll wait for it to reboot
[06:18] <rf53> ok
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:19] <tomreyn> hi lordievader
[06:19] <rf53> i wonder why its showing 4 users
[06:19] <rf53> this is only me connected
[06:19] <tomreyn> w
[06:19] <tomreyn> ^ may tell
[06:19] <lordievader> Hey tomreyn
[06:20] <tomreyn> you probably have 4 sessions open
[06:20] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:20] <rf53> hmm. could be
[06:20] <rf53> ok, removed floppy drive and server is coming up
[06:21] <tomreyn> lordievader: fine, thanks :) rf53 + i are just looking into speeding up his apt. he's got http://archive.ubuntu.com configured right now but it's pretty slow from Guam. i'm reading that we could use "deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt" instead
[06:22] <lordievader> rf53: Do  you have a slow internet connection?
[06:22] <tomreyn> rf53: give me a second, i am composing a new confguration file for you.
[06:22] <lordievader> Slow DNS, etc?
[06:23] <tomreyn> hmm right we didnt check dns, it could be that
[06:23] <rf53> i dont have slow internet connection
[06:24] <rf53> i am using 150 Mmps corporate connection
[06:24] <rf53> from our windows servers, internet is very fast, like 10+MB download from microsoft repository
[06:24] <tomreyn> dont take it as an insult, we're just trying to understand what is making apt slow for you currently.
[06:24] <rf53> i understand
[06:25] <tomreyn> :) can you run: "systemd-resolve --statistics 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[06:25] <rf53> we have 100+ other servers, most of them ar windows and internet speed is not an issue
[06:26] <rf53> it could be soemthing with this VM, but since I am not a expert, not sure how to troubleshoot
[06:26] <tomreyn> time systemd-resolve archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 | pastebinit
[06:26] <rf53> ok, running command...
[06:26] <lordievader> rf53: What is the output of 'for i in {0..10}; do /usr/bin/time -v dig +short archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 |grep wall; done'?
[06:26] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z7fkkwrSFm/
[06:27] <rf53>  for i in {0..10}; do /usr/bin/time -v dig +short archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 |grep wall; done
[06:27] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:05.96
[06:27] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:27] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:27] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:27] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <rf53>         Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:00.00
[06:28] <tomreyn> whoops, too much output here
[06:28] <rf53> sorry
[06:28] <tomreyn> np ;)
 time systemd-resolve archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 | pastebinit
[06:29] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bhcyxSs6b5/
[06:29] <rf53> real    0m2.662s
[06:29] <rf53> user    0m0.147s
[06:29] <rf53> sys     0m0.033s
[06:30] <lordievader> That first request is quite slow.
[06:30] <rf53> ok
[06:30] <lordievader> How is your dns set up?
[06:31] <tomreyn> it's ubuntu server in an esxi 5 VM
[06:31] <rf53> may be something with network configuration...i used ip address from our server address pool..like other servers
[06:31] <tomreyn> *18.04
[06:31] <lordievader> For comparison my first request (with an empty resolver cache) takes 0:00.01.
[06:31] <rf53> yes
[06:31] <rf53> esxi 5.1
[06:31] <rf53> we have local dns server
[06:32] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the output of `for i in {0..10}; do /usr/bin/time -v dig @<IP_ADDRESS> +short archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 |grep wall; done` please?
[06:32] <rf53> same LAN
[06:32] <tomreyn> lordievader: btw. rf53 is here (Guam): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guam#/media/File:Guam_on_the_globe_(Southeast_Asia_centered)_(small_islands_magnified).svg
[06:33] <tomreyn> but there seem to be undersea cables going there.
[06:33] <lordievader> That is probably not going to help for latencies 😉
[06:33] <rf53> yes, its a small US territory
[06:33] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z7KGPrmkM5/
[06:34] <lordievader> That looks better.
[06:34] <lordievader> I'd switch to Google DNS. Or, even better, setup a caching resolver wich forwards to Google.
[06:35] <tomreyn> so you're convinced it's dns?
[06:35] <tomreyn> i agree it seems to be base don your tests
[06:35] <lordievader> Not convinced, but it plays its part.
[06:36] <tomreyn> maybe the local resolver is just a bit busy
[06:36] <tomreyn> how to configure the resolver properly on 18.04 ?
[06:36] <tomreyn> i really dont know yet
[06:36] <rf53> ok. we are in a LAN and not sure how to change/forward to Google DNS from Ubuntu
[06:37] <tomreyn> rf53: can you: pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf
[06:38] <lordievader> I typically do not have resolvconf installed and can just make those changes to `/etc/resolv.conf`.
[06:38] <tomreyn> i think resolvconf is installe dby default though
[06:39] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bVRzCnxpSW/
[06:39] <tomreyn> Quoting 18.04 release notes: Default DNS Resolver: The default DNS resolver is now systemd-resolved. The standard /etc/resolve.conf file is now managed by systemd-resolved, and configuration of the resolver should be done in /etc/systemd/resolved.con
[06:40] <tomreyn> f
[06:40] <tomreyn> rf53: pastebinit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[06:40] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BFzZWZH5Pb/
[06:41] <tomreyn> hmm, okay then let's edit this file. do you know nano? it's a command line file editor.
[06:42] <rf53> do i need to install it on server?
[06:42] <tomreyn> it may already be installed. can you run:: sudo nano /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[06:43] <rf53> yes, its here
[06:43] <tomreyn> we want to make line 15 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BFzZWZH5Pb/ say this: DNS=<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:44] <tomreyn> when done editing, press ctrl-x
[06:44] <tomreyn> and press enter to save it
[06:45] <rf53> will it be #DNS= or DNS=
[06:45] <rf53> do i remove #
[06:45] <tomreyn> no #
[06:45] <tomreyn> remove it
[06:46] <rf53> done, saved
[06:46] <tomreyn> now: sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service
[06:46] <tomreyn> then run "apt-get update" again and see if its faster
[06:46] <lordievader> And then test the latency again.
[06:46] <rf53> ok, doing...
[06:47] <tomreyn> also run this again: for i in {0..10}; do /usr/bin/time -v dig +short archive.ubuntu.com 2>&1 |grep wall; done
[06:48] <rf53> running apt-get update
[06:48] <rf53> let me open another ssh
[06:48] <tomreyn> :) very well
[06:49] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PdvnqX5CMJ/
[06:49] <tomreyn> please also show (just one line): date- u
[06:49] <tomreyn> can you say whether apt-get is faster now?
[06:50] <rf53> Wed Jul 11 06:50:12 UTC 2018
[06:50] <tomreyn> thanks
[06:50] <rf53> apt-get seems again stuck at 18%
[06:51] <rf53> 18% [11 Sources 0 B/1,102 B 0%]
[06:51] <tomreyn> it must have trouble reaching one of your apt mirrors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mss2khCF37/
[06:52] <tomreyn> bot security.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com are pretty standard, though.
[06:53] <rf53> ok, so I think I just need to wait for it to finish
[06:54] <rf53> is there anything like changing mirros to force it download from closest mirror?
[06:54] <tomreyn> yes
[06:55] <tomreyn> if you cancel apt (ctrl-c) and run this instead, it should tell us why it is taking so long: sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=1' update
[06:55] <rf53> ok, do u think it might help?
[06:55] <rf53> ok
[06:55] <tomreyn> but we can also edit your /etc/apt/sources.list now, as you prefer
[06:55] <tomreyn> ... to maybe get you a faster mirrror.
[06:57] <rf53> with the command, looks like it was fetching the files. but again stuck at 18%
[06:58] <rf53> i am not sure what nearest mirror my location has
[06:58] <tomreyn> can you paste the last 15 lines of output to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[06:59] <rf53> any US or Australia Mirror?
[06:59] <tomreyn> probably australia, i think
[07:00] <rf53> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g56jhDFtW6/
[07:01] <rf53> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NjD4dzrGH2/
[07:03] <tomreyn> hmm okay, i was wroing, it doesn't help ;)
[07:03] <tomreyn> let's just update your sources.list
[07:03] <rf53> ok
[07:03] <tomreyn> you have ubuntu backports configured, do you need them?
[07:04] <rf53> no
[07:04] <tomreyn> ok, i'll remove them since they are not well supported.
[07:04] <rf53> ok sure
[07:06] <tomreyn> give me another 1 minutes
[07:06] <tomreyn> 2
[07:07] <rf53> you are helping me, and I am grateful. take your time
[07:09] <tomreyn> cancel apt if it's still running, then run:
[07:09] <rf53> ok
[07:09] <rf53> cancelled
[07:09] <tomreyn> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-disabled-20180711
[07:09] <rf53> done
[07:10] <tomreyn> wget https://pastebin.com/raw/pgBBUTXB -O - | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:10] <tomreyn> this will download the sources.list configuration file for APT which I posted to this location, and set it up for you.
[07:11] <rf53> ok, done all
[07:11] <tomreyn> please run "sudo apt update" afterwards, and let me know whether it works better
[07:11] <rf53> ok
[07:13] <rf53> looks like much faster.....so far
[07:13] <rf53> and not stuck
[07:13] <rf53> from AU
[07:14] <tomreyn> good. it may still get stuck sometimes in the future when you rnu it. if this happens, either just cancel and run it again (it will use different mirrors then and should not get stuck again), or wait.
[07:14] <rf53> ok, got it
[07:15] <tomreyn> now, do you still want to install ubuntu desktop? ;)
[07:15] <rf53> so apt-get update does download and install both?
[07:15] <tomreyn> no, it just uipdates the information on available packages, it doe snot install them ,yet
[07:16] <rf53> i think i will give some time to learn commands
[07:16] <tomreyn> you can also use 'apt' now instead of 'apt-get' (except when you write shell scripts with it)
[07:16] <tomreyn> apt is a little mor euser friendly
[07:17] <tomreyn> if you run "apt update" now it will tell you how to geta list of pending updates.
[07:17] <tomreyn> to install them, run: "apt full-upgrade"
[07:17] <lordievader> And `apt` gives progress bars 🎉
[07:17] <rf53> so its like listing all pckages that has updates available. so to install update do I need to use apt-upgrade command?
 to install them, run: "apt full-upgrade"
[07:18] <rf53> i will use apt then. progress bar i like more
[07:18] <rf53> ok
[07:19] <rf53> on my screen, though it seems working, its still says 18%
[07:19] <rf53> Get:11 http://mirror.tcc.wa.edu.au/ubuntu bionic/main Sources [829 kB]
[07:19] <rf53> 18% [8 Sources 0 B/1,113 B 0%] [11 Sources 0 B/1,098 B 0%]
[07:19] <rf53> at very last of lines, its 75.8 kB for all lines
[07:19] <tomreyn> so that's still the old apt command? you didn't cancel it yet?
[07:20] <rf53> not yet
[07:20] <tomreyn> well you can do so now
[07:20] <tomreyn> 75.8 kB is not THAT much ;)
[07:20] <rf53> ok, so let me do this
[07:22] <rf53> i ran "sudo apt update", seems same output except the last line is yellow color
[07:22] <rf53> now, it connected to NZ server
[07:23] <rf53> anyway, i will just wait and once its done will run "apt full-upgrade"
[07:24] <tomreyn> rf53: it will vary, picking the servers returned at http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt at random (this file loos different for you than it does for me, since the server returns the best apt mirrors for your region)
[07:25] <rf53> got it
[07:25] <tomreyn> so since it picks different servers at random on the next run, if "sudo apt update" gets stuck, i would just cancel and run it again.
[07:25] <tomreyn> but that's up to you ;)
[07:26] <rf53> the problem is to know if its stuck or not, because the lines are moving....
[07:26] <tomreyn> okay, if the output keeps changing then i guess it's fine
[07:26] <rf53> but its the same lines coming again and again
[07:27] <rf53> let me give u some recent lines in pastebin
[07:27] <tomreyn> they may look very similar, or even identical when it actually does somethign different.
[07:27] <tomreyn> ok
[07:27] <tomreyn> also, if you would like me to explain any of the commands we ran above, please let me know.
[07:28] <rf53> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w4rTycnJfy/
[07:30] <rf53> so if "apt update" only lists updates needed, and not even does download, why is it taking so long? shouldn't it be done in just a few seconds?
[07:31] <lordievader> Normally, yes.
[07:32] <rf53> its still 17%. let me cancel and run it again
[07:32] <tomreyn> hmm yes this doesnt look good
[07:32] <rf53> how can i check disk space info? sorry for asking
[07:32] <tomreyn> df -h
[07:33] <tomreyn> we did this before, you have space left
[07:33] <lordievader> There are no firewalls at play?
[07:33] <tomreyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QmbjKgm7QS/
[07:34] <rf53> oh ok
[07:34] <rf53> we have firwalls, but its not an issue for our windows severs
[07:35] <tomreyn> lines 1-3 are about memory in megabytes (free -m), the rest is the output of 'df -h' (disk free in human readable output)
[07:36] <tomreyn> when i traceroute to you from a couple locations around the world it always goes through los angeles, usa
[07:36] <tomreyn> so maybe we should actually use US mirrors
[07:36] <rf53> yes, we can try that
[07:37] <rf53> usually we have better traffic with US since its an US Territory
[07:38] <tomreyn> you can create another backup copy of the apt sources.list file: sudo cp -p /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-disabled-20180711-2
[07:39] <rf53> created another backup
[07:41] <tomreyn> and then: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list; wget https://pastebin.com/raw/VhLc8Uv3 -O - | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <rf53> done
[07:42] <tomreyn> and then: echo | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <tomreyn> this is just to add a blank line to the end, i forgot this
[07:42] <tomreyn> and finally: sudo apt update
[07:43] <rf53> sudo echo | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:43] <rf53> tee: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[07:43] <tomreyn> sorry, this: echo | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:44] <rf53> sudo apt update
[07:44] <rf53> Err:1 http://us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[07:44] <rf53>   Could not resolve 'us.ubuntu.com'
[07:44] <rf53> Err:2 http://us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease
[07:44] <rf53>   Could not resolve 'us.ubuntu.com'
[07:44] <rf53> Err:3 http://us.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease
[07:44] <rf53>   Could not resolve 'us.ubuntu.com'
[07:44] <tomreyn> uuh, my bad
[07:44] <rf53> do i need to update DNS again?
[07:45] <tomreyn> no, i just made a mistake, the server name is wrong
[07:45] <rf53> ok
[07:47] <tomreyn> to fix this: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list; wget https://pastebin.com/raw/Cehw3vSV -O - | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:47] <rf53> done
[07:47] <tomreyn> please also post: sudo ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ 2>&1 | pastebinit
[07:48] <tomreyn> and finally: sudo apt update
[07:48] <rf53> yes off course. its running ...
[07:48] <rf53> taking time at 14% [Waiting for headers]
[07:49] <rf53> 14% [4 Sources 0 B/1,104 B 0%]
[07:51] <tomreyn> hmm, something must be wrong with either oyu network or the esxi or the ubuntu installation
[07:51] <tomreyn> chances are oyu have double NAT and that gets in the way
[07:52] <tomreyn> with packets not getting properly rewritten or whatever
[07:52] <rf53> hmm
[07:53] <lordievader> Perhaps doing a packet capture can give some insight.
[07:53] <tomreyn> you'd need to do a packet trace to analyze this further
[07:53] <rf53> ok, i will do that
[07:53] <rf53> i will also try to change ip address
[07:54] <rf53> thanks for your help
[07:54] <rf53> i will log-out now and try to do some troubleshooting myself
[07:56] <rf53> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rcr3DzqWKX/
[07:57] <rf53> this is output of "sudo ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ 2>&1 | pastebinit"
[07:58] <tomreyn> okay, thats fine
[07:58] <tomreyn> i mean the output, and good luck with the touble shooting
[07:59] <rf53> ok. thank you tomreyn
[07:59] <tomreyn> it could also be a misconfigured firewall blocking the requests or, more likely, packets reutnrned for your requests
[07:59] <tomreyn> i suspect the tcp 3-way handshake doesnt get fully transmitted
[08:00] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[08:00] <tomreyn> if you wanted to reproduce this on y another system, set up another VM on the same esxi server with similar network configuration and i suspect it will produce the same issue.
[08:01] <rf53> ok, what I will do it create another VM on other ESXi node and see if that has any difference
[08:01] <rf53> it could also be firwall if the packets transmission is different than windows
[08:02] <tomreyn> tcp should be universal, but more package translations can cause more problems.
[08:02] <tomreyn> good approach, good luck.
[08:03] <rf53> and if there is any rule in firewall
[08:03] <rf53> ok
[08:03] <rf53> thanks and bye
[10:49] <anddam> b move 8
[10:49] <anddam> hello, I installed a fresh 18 server system, configured the eth interface to use dhclient at install time. How can I see what DHCP server provided info to the system?
[10:50] <blackflow> anddam: can you rephrase that question? not sure I understand what you're asking.
[10:55] <anddam> blackflow: sure,I configured the eth interface on a system to use dhclient, it gets configured but I'd like to see which DHCP server provided the info
[10:55] <anddam> I read /var/lib/dhcp/ should have leases files
[10:55] <anddam> it does not on this system
[10:56] <anddam> on another similar system (these are virtualbox VMs with a bridged network interface) I do see the .leases file
[10:57] <anddam> the system showing the .leases file is an Ubuntu 16 and I configured /etc/network/interfaces, on this new 18 I see configuration moved to netplan
[10:59] <anddam> in /etc/netplan I see https://gist.github.com/adab4d/51cfd2d458602e439e8f1b08a7720b06
[11:01] <anddam> it could also be that my assumption is wrong, how do I check that my enp0s3 has been configured via DHCP?
[11:01] <anddam> blackflow: ^
[11:04] <blackflow> anddam: netplan is just configuration abstration, it's using networkd as backend on servers, and NM on desktops. according to your post, it's configuring enp0s3 for dhcp. also cloud-init is mentioned, and that's where my knowledge about it stops, I don't use cloud-init
[11:05] <blackflow> anddam: iirc, leases and dhcp activity should be logged in the journal
[11:05] <blackflow> anddam: dhclient will log DHCPREQUEST and DHCPACK
[11:13] <anddam> blackflow: what service?
[11:14] <anddam> blackflow: as I wrote I think I configured for dhclient but I may be wrong, I would like to confirm that
[11:14] <anddam> sstemd-networkd[825]: enp0s3: DHCPv4 address <IP_ADDRESS>/18 via <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:14] <anddam> correct server
[11:14] <anddam> thanks
[11:15] <blackflow> anddam: right so you configured for DHCP, not specifically dhclient. that's systemd-networkd doing the work there.
[11:43] <anddam> oh, like dhclient is a specific DHCP client, but systemd-networkd can do the job as well?
[11:44] <Haris> hello all
[11:44] <blackflow> anddam: iirc yes, it doens't need dhclient
[11:44] <Haris> how to get php pthreads mod with php5 on 14.04 lts ?
[11:44] <hadifarnoud> hello
[11:46] <blackflow> Haris: like, for threaded PHP? I think you can't without rebuilding whole PHP
[11:46] <blackflow> why do you need it btw?
[11:48] <Haris> is it possible via pecl mod install ?
[11:48] <Haris> php app that's scaling to require threading
[11:48] <blackflow> its' not a module, it's whole interpreter being ZTS
[11:49] <Haris> is there a less radical solution for 14.x
[11:49] <blackflow> PHP is not thread-safe in itself tho', so even with that, you'll likely have issues
[11:49] <blackflow> it's not ubuntu specific, but PHP specific
[11:51] <Haris> don't the main repo or ppa pkgs have it pre-built somewhere ?
[11:52] <blackflow> official repos don't. there could be a PPA but those aren't supported here.
[11:52] <Haris> hmm
[11:52] <Haris> where does one go for ppa
[11:52] <blackflow> Haris: that said, see if Ondrej has something:   https://launchpad.net/~ondrej
[11:52] <Haris> hmm
[11:53] <blackflow> Haris: I'd do all this in a dedicated container btw. If you break your system, you get to keep the pieces.
[11:53] <Haris> lol
[11:53] <Haris> makes sense
[11:57] <hadifarnoud> blackflow: is this sound right? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a/raw/8be2eb9717c4ce7b02da006201181cb701b85278/cloud-init.cfg
[11:57] <hadifarnoud> I think I should follow their instruction in comment
[11:58] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: you don't need "network" or "netmask" parts, and <IP_ADDRESS> is invalid anway. use CIDR notation for the IP, eg.   address <IP_ADDRESS>/24   (if it's /24)
[11:59] <blackflow> in fact not even broadcast is needed. only address and gateway (which you're missing)
[12:00] <hadifarnoud> it's 32
[12:00] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: the inet6 also looks wrong, I wouldn't use ::0 in that subnet.
[12:00] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: no it's not. /32 means single IP but that's not your subnet.
[12:00] <hadifarnoud> my v6 is 2a01:4f8:1c17:5d80::/64
[12:01] <blackflow> is it though? that's all zeroes in that subnet (due to :: at the end)
[12:01] <blackflow> ipv6 isn't about individual addresses but about subnets. you're assigned a /64 subnet and have to define addresses in it yourself
[12:03] <hadifarnoud> like this one? 2a01:4f8:1c17:5d80:78:47:223:238
[12:03] <hadifarnoud> IPv6 is so confusing to me
[12:03] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: looks okay if that's what you want.
[12:04] <hadifarnoud> I thought I assign a subnet and all IPs in that subnet works
[12:04] <blackflow> not automagically no
[12:04] <blackflow> do you know how many address that would be? :)
[12:05] <hadifarnoud> millions :D
[12:05] <blackflow> 2^64 more precisely
[12:06] <hadifarnoud> I found my gateway via `ip route | grep default`
[12:06] <hadifarnoud> that should be ok, right?
[12:06] <Haris> can the pecl pthreads implementation help on 14.x lts ?
[12:06] <blackflow> Haris: yes if that's a  currently working config. it's also listed in your Robot (hover on the ipv4)
[12:07] <Haris> taht one went over me
[12:07] <Haris> that+
[12:08] <blackflow> sorry that was for hadifarnoud :)
[12:08] <blackflow> Haris: as for pecl pthreads, I don't think so, you need ZTS in the interpreter
[12:08] <blackflow> I mean try it, but I doubt it.
[12:10] <hadifarnoud> does it look fine now blackflow ? https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a
[12:11] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: no. is that a hetzner CX VPS? that gateway looks like it. if so, you don't define public IPs on the iface. you also have two conflicting stanzas for eth0, one dhcp and one static.
[12:12] <hadifarnoud> blackflow it is a VPS. I think it does not persist so if anything goes wrong it's easier to just reboot, right?
[12:12] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: but which VPS... Hetzner has different network setups between VX, CX and Cloud lines
[12:12] <hadifarnoud> CX11
[12:13] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: well, the CX line can have only one IP, <IP_ADDRESS>, always, it's routed based on MAC from their side. you don't define public IP on it.
[12:14] <hadifarnoud> there is a float IP
[12:14] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: not for CX
[12:14] <hadifarnoud> I have a floating IP on this server
[12:14] <blackflow> then you'll have to ask Hetzner how to set it up.
[12:14] <blackflow> afaik CX don't have it. new cloud servers do.
[12:15] <Haris> interest based money model is killing economies world wide. pushing human being(s) to reduce and reduce
[12:15] <hadifarnoud> isn't CX new cloud servers? that's what I have blackflow
[12:15] <blackflow> it is not.
[12:15] <hadifarnoud> I currently did make it work by doing `ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/32 dev eth0`
[12:16] <blackflow> CX have no public IPs, only <IP_ADDRESS>, always and only that.
[12:16] <blackflow> so if your server has a non RFC1918 address and it works, that's not a CX VPS
[12:16] <hadifarnoud> I'm confused. how is it working now?
[12:16] <blackflow> by not being a CX server
[12:18] <hadifarnoud> it clearly says that in dashboard. CX11
[12:18] <blackflow> this is slightly offtopic here though, you'll have to ask Hetzner for setup specific to their network. meanwhile, as for those e/n/i stanzas: write the IP in CIDR format. the gateway is in the same subnet, can't be RFC1918 then. you had conflicting entries for eth0 with dhcp and static at the same time.
[12:19] <blackflow> well if that's CX and you have a non-RFC1918 IP, then they changed something significantly, or you aren't using what you think you are. At any rate, ask Hetzner for support with that.
[12:19] <hadifarnoud> https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a see my comment. there is a screenshot there
[12:20] <hadifarnoud> how come gateway is not in that subnet? you're right. maybe `ipconfig | findstr /i "Gateway"` isn't right
[12:20] <Haris> is pthreads supported on xenial or bionic or same for them also ?
[12:20] <Haris> php pthreads
[12:21] <Haris> ondrej says no pthreads before 7.0.x
[12:21] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: oh I see what they did..... they started calling the new cloud servers as CX, and they dropped the old CX servers
[12:21] <Haris> that means its experimental on xenial
[12:21] <Haris> but its already available on centos
[12:21] <Haris> via a third party repo
[12:21] <hadifarnoud> ip route | grep default
[12:22] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[12:22] <blackflow> Haris: php zts is not officially supported on Ubuntu, so this is becoming slightly offtopic. like I said, if you want that, you're on your own, use a PPA or build from source, good luck ;)
[12:22] <hadifarnoud> so, the gateway is correct?
[12:22] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: I don't know. afaik their cloud servers don't use RFC1918 for anything
[12:23] <blackflow> _really_ open a ticket for them and ask for proper network config..... OR, reinstall from their original ubuntu images
[12:23] <blackflow> if you want a floating IP, convert from dhcp to static, have two stanzas, one for each IPv4
[12:23] <blackflow> btw, their floating IP is really manual work, it doesn't auto failover.
[12:25] <hadifarnoud> how about this? https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a
[12:27] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: :0 and :1 are not needed these days any more (wiht iproute anyway). that gateway doesn't look right, but if they say it is, then it is. /32 is not your subnet.
[12:27] <hadifarnoud> I'll ask for the gateway
[12:28] <hadifarnoud> so I can just use the same interface? https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/4e5e3d1d2f977de2a337e43382ed726a
[12:28] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: check the console, all networking info should be listed there
[12:30] <hadifarnoud> unfortunately there is nothing more than server IPs and reverse DNS in Hetzner Console.
[12:31] <blackflow> hadifarnoud: well launch another cloud instance and see how it's set up. you pay them by the hour anyway
[12:31] <blackflow> (using their official ubuntu images, I mean)
[12:32] <hadifarnoud> ok
[12:34] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, good morning/afternoon
[12:34] <ahasenack> rbasak: if you have a moment, could you please push the upload tag for https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-perl2/+git/libapache2-mod-perl2/+merge/348780, after you take a quick look?
[12:34] <ahasenack> cpaelzer +1'ed it
[14:21] <coreycb> jamespage: btw i've been making python(3)-* packages conflict on each other for core packages
[14:22] <coreycb> jamespage: figured i'd mention that in case you can think of an issue with that. for example with some packages like horizon dashboards files conflict in /usr/share
[17:28] <ahasenack> rbasak: if you are back, and/or feeling able, could you please import into git-ubuntu pmdk and ndctl? They were accepted into cosmic (\o/)


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[00:00] <lovesthethianood> like the computer wont start up
[00:01] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: OK, that's as much as I've got - someone else will have to take over. What I was looking for was whether or not the plug insertion / hardware worked or not. Currently that's neither confirmed nor denied. Suggestion: Turn off hdmi audio for the moment. Headphones are analog devices not digital (HDMI). Your sound may be going to one or the other, not both, and is currently set to...
[00:01] <__BS__> ...HDMI when external device plugged in. But, like I said, someone knowledgeable will have to take it from here.
[00:02] <MajinSaiyan> Ok i will try to look for a solution on the website. Thanks for your help though. Much appreciated.
[00:04] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: Didn't say somone else here can't help, merely that I, whom am no expert, can't.
 camserv still running. Once killed, cheese works fine / no seg fault. Where is gui service start/stop/restart/start condition in kubuntu? (Don't say system settings, that's only kde services.)
[00:05] <MajinSaiyan> I know what you meant. I will ask again in a few minutes. I'm browsing the site now to see if anyone else has had the same issue.
[00:06] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: In meantime, since you have HDMI hooked up, do you have sound out of it? Also, seems to me in the past I've run into this, and muting the speakers worked. (HDMI being line out, mute wasn't effecting it.) Don't remember the setup at that time.
[00:07] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: Hold on ... I've never seen HDMI out actually go out HDMI ... any chance you mean optical out?
[00:07] <James147> MajinSaiyan: you migh also want to read...
[00:07] <James147> !sound
[00:08] <__BS__> Sometimes most of the battle seems to be 'Linux' semantics / good search terms.
[00:09] <__BS__> xawtv - v4l2: Waiting for buffer. Suggestions?
[00:09] <MajinSaiyan> let me try the mute option first....and when i had Windows on my laptop it also detected HDMI output for audio since i do have an HDMI port.
[00:10] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: Right, but in my experience, what one -expected-, logically, to be an hdmi port (sound + video) turned out to be, sadly, only video. <(*&^(&^%*&^%*&^%(*>
[00:11] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: You're hooked up to a TV then? Not a receiver? (And ... all was happy under Windows?)
[00:13] <MajinSaiyan> Well when i had windows i experimented with the audio. Both audio and video played back on my tv by default, but i was able to switch the audio to play throgh external speakers. No....i wasn't completely happy when i had Windows. I've actually converted 2 of my computers from Windows to Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
[00:13] <MajinSaiyan> i was talking about HDMI when i played it on my tv
[00:14] <laptop> what is my user name
[00:15] <laptop> ok nevermind
[00:15] <MajinSaiyan> laptop :)
[00:15] <laptop_user> much better
[00:15] <MajinSaiyan> agreed :)
[00:23] <MarcoPau> hello, mysqld-akonadi is starting at login and it won't let xampp load mysqld, which is interfering with what I'm trying to do. do you know how to permanently shut akonadi?
[00:24] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: What I meant with Windows was all hardware was happy. (Which, from what you say, was mostly, but not entirely, true.) Which is all to say, it sounds like, what you're experiencing so far is consistent with what you had under windows. Which is also to say you are having software / configuration issues, not hardware issues - which just takes a whole bunch of possibilities off the table.
[00:27] <MajinSaiyan> Well I was happy with Windows for a while, but i got tired of searching all over the web for free software :P Configuring hardware with Windows 7 was easy, but i want to break away from Windows and join the Linux community.
[00:27] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: If you go into system settings / multimedia, can you change the order of devices (preferences) such that you get audio where you want? (Leaving video alone, if you're getting a picture on your tv as desired.) Optionally - Hook your tv external audio outputs up to your receiver instead, and let the audio go along the HDMI? (Granted, PITA, if you just want to listen to music on...
[00:27] <__BS__> ...your sound system, without having to turn the TV on - let alone if someone else wants to watch a show at the time.)
[00:28] <Pante59> @voice
[00:29] <Pante59> !op
[00:29] <__BS__> MajinSaiyan: Can you boot a kubuntu live cd and see if it all 'just works'?  Note - just because a live cd doesn't play sound, doesn't mean it can't, just means the default / most common settings, present on the live cd, don't suit your particular setup.
[00:29] <apachelogger> Pante59: ....
[00:30] <MajinSaiyan> well i've ran a few commands from the terminal and i have to reboot right now. Let me reboot first and then i will try going into the system settings to change some settings there. I'll be right back.
[00:30] <Pante59> apachelogger: !op fack you!!!
[00:30] <__BS__> gnomefreak is an op in a kubuntu channel - seems ... almost covert.
[00:30] <Snowhog> Time to kick Pante59 me thinks.
[00:31] <shaneomack91> Hello everybody. I'm new here :)
[00:32] <__BS__> ... you can take my kde out of my cold ...
[00:34] <apachelogger> Pante59: I would very kindly ask you to behave yourself
[00:34] <__BS__> Where to set service start / not start at boot time?
[00:35] <Pante59> apachelogger: i am stupid russian esoul !!!!
[00:35] <claydoh> hi Snowhog
[00:35] <Snowhog> Hey claydoh
[00:35] <claydoh> maybe apachelogger will
[00:35] <Snowhog> claydoh: I'm waiting for him or someone to kick him out.
[00:36] <apachelogger> claydoh: will what?
[00:36] <claydoh> I have to remember the commands to gain op s
[00:36] <apachelogger> ah well
[00:36] <claydoh> apachelogger: kick the guy
[00:36] <Pante59> apachelogger: i wont fack my ess
[00:36] <Pante59> no no no no
[00:37] <valorie> byebye troll
[00:37] <__BS__> Yeah, well, until apache mentioned the handle, it was keeping quiet. I wonder if it's scanning for a mention of the handle then mouthing off. Like a kid waiting for someone to notice before throwing the temper tantrum.
[00:37] <Snowhog> apachelogger: Thank you.
[00:37] <Pante59> hi
[00:37] <apachelogger> Pante59: better now?
[00:37] <__BS__> Again, please, claydoh, apachelogger
[00:38] <Pante59> no  please (((((
[00:38] <Pante59> i bed boy sorry
[00:39] <MajinSaiyan> I'm back....after running those 2 commands from the terminal my audio output works flawless. Here is the link if anyone ever has a similar issue. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[00:40] <Pante59> PLEASE FACK MY GYSE
[00:40] <Pante59> http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=146398
[00:40] <Pante59> http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=146398
[00:40] <FloodBotK2> Pante59: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:40] <__BS__> irc (and !sound) to the rescue again. Cool. See - toldya, linux semantics, and search terms. And the excellent people here at ...
[00:40] <Snowhog> Banned I hope.
[00:41] <__BS__> ... of all the gin joints in all the world ...
[00:41] <apachelogger> Snowhog: that is what the +b stands for
[00:41]  * apachelogger goes back to homework
[00:41] <MajinSaiyan> so BS......how many people have you introduced Linux to?
[00:42] <Snowhog> apachelogger: Appreciate the 'house cleaning'. :)
[00:42]  * claydoh goes back to writing something creative
[00:42] <claydoh> stay warm Snowhog
[00:43] <Snowhog> claydoh: It's getting warmer here. Was 51 degrees on Friday - for a bit.
[00:43] <__BS__> Not many, I think, probably zero. Part of a local linux club. I talk it up a lot, and suggest it (I'm actually typing this from windows), but it takes a certain technical inclination to be willing to try it. And most of such people I know are part of the same club I am.
[00:43] <claydoh> heh lets not get too offtopic :)
[00:43] <claydoh> my fault tho
[00:43] <__BS__> :-)
[00:44] <valorie> !offtopic
[00:44] <apachelogger> "a place to go to when one wants to talk about the weather" :D
[00:45] <MajinSaiyan> Well i've been using it for about a month and i've introduced 3 people to it. It's kinda hard when they're used to Windows, but they like Kubuntu and Ubuntu. Ok does anyone know of any good file recovery programs for linux?
[00:45] <Snowhog> MajinSaiyan: See http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[00:49] <MajinSaiyan> cool...thanks....let me check out that program
[00:50] <MajinSaiyan> how can i install programs that i've downloaded off the net? it's in an archive format.....
[00:51] <Snowhog> MajinSaiyan: First, make sure that the downloaded file is developed to run in the version of Kubuntu you have installed. Is it? Second, you should always check the ubuntu repositories (KPackagekit) to see if the application is available there.
[00:53] <MajinSaiyan> genius....it is availabe at the software center :) Thanks!!!!
[01:06] <__BS__> Someone can correct me, but IIRC, gdebconf can be a handy think to have installed.
[01:07] <Snowhog> __BS__: Don't you mean debconf?
[01:27] <__BS__> OK, instead of 'someone can correct me' I should have said 'someone had better correct me'. My bad. OK, I broke down and had a look - gdebi, probably gdebi-kde in this case. Makes a package look like any other type of file - download and auto-open it, gdebi kicks in and runs the appropriate dpkg commands for you.
[02:21] <Walzmyn> how do i get kpackagekit not install upgrades without being given a sudo worthy password?
[02:24] <_BS_-NOT> Sorry, chatzilla dropped ... was there an answer to ... what happen to the right-click menu context for run as administrator, put in command line, etc.?
[02:36] <_BS_> Anyone know of a kubuntu equivalent to CentOS' 'service configuration' (system-config-services)?
[02:38] <valorie> _BS_: outside of systemsettings?
[02:40] <_BS_> systemsettings only deals with kde services. The CentOS version deals with all services.
[02:40] <valorie> that I do not know
[07:45] <Visitor_1971> question: I just installed (k)ubuntu and would like to try out the new KDE, but cannot find any options that let me do that... how do I start KDE?
[07:47] <Visitor_1971> I get the kubuntu splash screen, but at login it only let's me start unity
[07:48] <valorie> !kdm
[07:48] <valorie> dang
[07:48] <valorie> !gdm
[07:49] <Visitor_1971> please help :)
[07:49] <valorie> odd, you should have a choice
[07:49] <Visitor_1971> yeah but I don't
[07:49] <valorie> ubottu doesn't know anything, though
[07:49] <valorie> and I've not faced this
[07:49] <Visitor_1971> lol
[07:50] <valorie> not many people around right now
[07:50] <Visitor_1971> so I see
[07:58] <valorie> Visitor_1971: you might post on one of the two forums -- you might happen upon someone awake and answering
[07:58] <valorie> !forums
[07:58] <valorie> hmmm
[07:58] <valorie> !kubuntu
[07:58] <valorie> oh,
[07:59] <valorie> !kde
[07:59] <valorie> well, I thought there was a factoid out the forums
[07:59] <Visitor_1971> hehe
[07:59] <valorie> but there is kde forums, and also kubuntuforum
[07:59] <Visitor_1971> thanks
[07:59] <Visitor_1971> yeah I am in kubuntu+1
[08:59] <zagnut> Hi
[08:59] <zagnut> What is the keyboard shortcut for desktop switching in kde 4.6?
[09:06] <locke> STRG+F1 - STRG+F4
[09:06] <locke> CTRL+F1 - CTRL-F4
[10:01] <jtheuer> I use the kubuntu default homedir encryption. works fine. I also want to encrypt /tmp and the swappartition. is there a convenient way?
[11:54] <osos> any exciting news about 11.04?
[12:03] <moetunes> !natty
[12:18] <wafa> hi
[12:18] <wafa> can any one help me
[12:18] <wafa> i have some troubles to install g++ under ubuntu 10.10
[12:19] <susundberg> hi, please tell your problem
[12:19] <susundberg> with little more detail, like what command failed or what did you try to do
[12:19] <wafa> i must install gcc 4.1 and g++.4.1 under ubuntu 10.10
[12:20] <wafa> it worked for gcc but not for g++
[12:20] <wafa> apt_get install g++-4.1
[12:21] <wafa> apt-get install g++-4.1
[12:23] <wafa> in fact i need to install giza++ (it's an alignment tool) and for that i must install gcc and g++
[12:24] <susundberg> i guess that version is not supported anymore
[12:24] <susundberg> if there is package for that, you should install that one and let apt-get handle the depency requirements
[12:25] <susundberg> to me it looks like 11.04 has 4.3, 4.4 and 4.5 supported
[12:26] <susundberg> please see http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/g++
[12:26] <wafa> but i want to know please how to update the source file in ubuntu 10.10
[12:27] <susundberg> you mean the c++ source file? Afaik in 99.99% cases the new compiler (4.5) should be able to compile the same files as the older (4.1)
[12:27] <susundberg> though some options did change ..
[12:28] <susundberg> (i mean: what do you mean with 'update the source file' )
[12:28] <wafa> source list i meant
[12:28] <wafa> sorry
[12:31] <susundberg> you can edit the file containing sources in /etc/apt/
[12:31] <susundberg> (dont remember the exact name, i guess it was apt.conf, sources.conf or similar)
[12:32] <yofel>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:32] <yofel> and make a backup of the file before you edit it, apt doesn't like typos
[12:32] <wafa> oh thanks
[12:33] <yofel> you'll need to add another entry for the main server with the universe component for lucid
[12:33] <wafa> i am supposed to add the link to g++ in this file is it?
[12:33] <wafa> u mean the url ?
[12:34] <yofel> no, you'll see a line like
[12:34] <yofel> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted multiverse universe
[12:34] <yofel> probably not exactly the same but split over different lines
[12:35] <yofel> what you need for g++ would be something like
[12:35] <yofel> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main universe
[12:35] <yofel> just add that line to the  end
[12:35] <yofel> just curious, why do you need something as ancient as 4.1?
[12:36] <wafa> excuse me may be my question is a bit silly but i am a new user of ubuntu
[12:36] <wafa> no prob yofel
[12:36] <wafa> i can explain u
[12:37] <wafa> in fact i must install giza++ tool on my machine
[12:37] <wafa> and for that i must install gcc and g++
[12:38] <wafa> i couldn't install gcc
[12:38] <wafa> whn i tried an old version it worked
[12:38] <yofel> you couldn't install gcc o.O? Works fine here
[12:39] <wafa> i dnt knw
[12:40] <wafa> do u work with giza++
[12:40] <yofel> no
[12:40] <wafa> it's an alignment tool we use in machine translation
[12:41] <wafa> any way
[12:42] <wafa> u think that i can solve the problem by modifying the source list file?
[12:44] <Chris_H> Anybody home?
[12:45] <yofel> wafa: if you add the lucid line I gave you, you should be able to install the lucid package
[12:46] <Chris_H> I am having trouble running Google Chrome in Kubuntu. Is anyone else experiencing this?
[12:46] <wafa> ok i'll try it and get back to u
[12:46] <wafa> thanks a lot yofel
[12:47] <yofel> Chris_H: define "trouble" - I don't have chrome installed here, chromium works fine
[12:50] <Chris_H> yofel: its takes like about 9 seconds to load and I see some black boxes. I wish I could take a screenshot, but when on clicking, the chrome screen returns to normal
[12:52] <Chris_H> Does it have to do anything with my graphics card?
[12:52] <Chris_H> Firefox 4 works superb and so does rekonq
[12:57] <yofel> could be, but I'm really clueless there
[13:12] <jussi> hi all, I have 2 usernames and passwords saved in dolphin for SAMBA authentication, but I want to get rid of one - how do I do that?
[13:14] <Riddell> jussi: hmm, you might have to use kwalletmanager
[13:18] <jussi> Riddell: excellent, that worked! thanks!
[14:39] <xieyi> if I update to natty alpha version from maverick, will i need another release upgrade after release version of natty comes out?
[14:40] <James147> xieyi: no, if you keep natty uptodate then you will have the final release by the time it is released
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:41] <xieyi> oh, thanks
[14:41] <James147> xieyi: but i suggest you use the beta cd rather then the alpha oone :)
[14:42] <xieyi> I upgrade from network, I don't know whether it is a alpha or beta
[14:42] <xieyi> I use the do-release-upgrade
[14:43] <James147> xieyi: then you will upgrade to beta
[14:44] <xieyi> oh lucky. This is my first upgrade. I met problem when cups was updated
[14:44] <xieyi> it alway stuck at that step
[14:45] <xieyi> but luckly I use kill to get it through
[14:52] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I have a strange problem in Kubuntu 10.10 with kde 4.6.1...., very oftem when I move my mouse over the volume control on the tryicon, and I try to increase/decrease the volume, it just has a huge delay...,sometimes it takes then a minutes to do it ......,it is a known problem or it's just a problem of my configuration !?!
[14:53]  * James147 is/was having a similar problem ^^ often with kmix useing 100% of one core then crashing the system :S
[14:54] <James147> AlexZion: try upgrading to kde 4.6.2
[14:54] <James147> dont think i have noticed it since upgrading :) though I just got use to not chaning the volume for abit :)
[14:55] <AlexZion> i will James147......, so it was a known problem fixed inthis release ?
[14:55] <James147> AlexZion: I do not know... i was busssy at the time I noticed it and didnt chase it down ^^
[14:56] <James147> AlexZion: you may want to look for a bug report ^^
[14:56] <jimmy51_> hello, i'm ssh'd into my kubuntu 10.04 workstation.  how can i set up VNC or something similar remotely so I can access with GUI?
[14:57] <James147> !vnc
[14:57] <AlexZion> ok  James147 I'll try it anyway, and if I get the same problem, I'll chck better on the bug report and I'll send a report if there isn't .....
[14:58] <AlexZion> James147:  you think I should remove/rename somefolder after upgradeto 4.6.2 is done, to get ride it with a new configuration , or should be fine without do it ?
[14:59] <jimmy51_> James147: which viewer should i use?  xvncviewer is available in xvnc4viewer and tightvncviewer.
[14:59] <James147> AlexZion: I do not know ^^ i had tryed removing the config files in my first attempts to fix the problem but it didnt work... so it might not be related to them... though if you want to removes them they are at ~/.kde/share/config/kmix*
[14:59] <jimmy51_> (thanks btw)
[15:00] <James147> jimmy51_: I would use tightvncviewer... though only because it the only one i have used before
[15:01] <jimmy51_> ok, thanks
[15:01] <AlexZion> ok James147 so I'll rename that folder after upgrade, thanks a lot
[15:01] <James147> AlexZion: kmix* are files
[15:02] <James147> Though you can move them to another folder or renmae them :)
[15:02] <AlexZion> ahh ok... I'll do it .. ;)
[15:03] <jimmy51_> James147: holy smokes! it works!
[15:04] <jimmy51_> James147: thanks.  i'm off to controlling a workstation 25 miles away so I dont' have to go out in the thunderstorms :)
[15:04] <James147> jimmy51_: no need to sound so surprised :) people do that all the time in linux... :D
[15:05] <jimmy51_> James147: hehe, well i've been running kubuntu for about 4 years and never got it to work.  vnc mismatches and some kfrb thing never seemed to work.
[15:06] <James147> jimmy51_: heh, dont think I have ever had a problem with it :S
[15:10] <AlexZion> James147:  I thing they are talking about the same problem  (http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115296.0) and they fixed out it , using renaming the .kde/share/apps/kmix  directory  instead of the other files
[15:27] <marek__> ahoj
[17:38] <mazavita> hun
[17:47] <quant> can anyone recommend a good news reader, please?
[17:47] <quant> KDE based
[17:48] <James147> quant: akregator ^^
[17:48] <quant> James147: ah, right... ty
[17:48] <quant> James147: no :) news reader, not RSS reader
[17:48] <quant> James147: as in news groups
[17:54] <Guest16914> hola
[17:54] <Guest16914> podrian ayudarme a instalar DBDesigner Fork
[18:03] <quant> anyone with a suggestion for a good news group client, please?
[18:41] <Guest17992> holaaa
[18:41] <Guest17992> por favor ayudenme para instalar DBDesigner
[18:44] <him> hay
[18:44] <BluesKaj> !es | Guest17992
[18:45] <him> can any one tell me why my daisy not founding the trash app
[19:27] <kalib> How can I install jre? The Oracle one.. Not open jdk?
[19:29] <yofel> enable the canonical partner repository if it's disabled and install sun-java6-jre
[19:30] <kalib> yofel, nothing
[19:30] <yofel> is partner enabled?
[19:30] <yofel> !partner
[19:31] <kalib> yep
[19:32] <yofel> kalib: which release are you on?
[19:32] <kalib> 10.10
[19:33] <kalib> ops..found it
[19:33] <kalib> thanks
[19:43] <sudipta> is it safe to install kde 4.6 in ubuntu 10.10?
[19:44] <Tm_T> sudipta: should be safe
[19:45] <sudipta> Tm_T:r u using?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> sudipta, yes kde4.6 is safe ..running it for almost 2 mos now
[19:47] <sudipta> BluesKaj:mind to show me ur desktop(just that)?
[19:49] <sudipta> BluesKaj:via screenshots....:))
[19:53] <BluesKaj> sudipta, I'm using a large monitor so ctrl (-) to decrease theimage size , http://imagebin.org/147647
[19:55] <sudipta> BluesKaj:thanks
[19:56] <BluesKaj> sudipta, np
[19:57] <sudipta> BluesKaj:how is the experience with it .....I'm a ubuntu user .....thinking to give iit a try
[19:59] <BluesKaj> sudipta, it's fast and stable and configurable , some themes /colours fail to install , but otherwise it's fine ..I'm not mucj=h of a gnome user so it's difficult for me to compare
[20:01] <sudipta> BluesKaj:is the desktop effects r pleasant ...such as the expose effect(if there any)?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> sudipta . it's all amatter of taste look here for themes and colours etc , http://kde-look.org/
[20:16] <doctoras> Advice please worthy Video Converter
[20:19]  * gomiboy uses avidemux
[21:06] <vrubium> hi guys, i was looking for online available wiki and found pbworks.com com zoho wiki, anyother suggestions? Thx in advance
[21:08]  * vrubium nickserv identify vrubium iocnxw
[21:11] <BluesKaj> vrubium, yous hould register using the server textbox , not this chat
[21:15] <DreamsofanEagle> How do you report a bug when you can't even use the OS its in?
[21:17] <BluesKaj> DreamsofanEagle, more detail pls
[21:17] <yofel> well, over ssh would be a possibility, or by hand. If you're talking about your post in -bugs we'll need some logs though
[21:20] <DreamsofanEagle> Dell Mini 1018 on 11.04, keyboard and touchpad do not work
[21:21] <BluesKaj> DreamsofanEagle, ask in #ubuntu+1
[22:06] <exqua> tjah
[22:32] <_dreamy> hi anyone helping ? i got ubuntu 10.10 and i installed java 6 for firefox , but my java games wont start
[22:37] <DreamsofanEagle> aaaaand, I can't modify partitions
[22:37] <DreamsofanEagle> less it freeze on me
[22:59] <pider55> anyone know if there is a driver for this webcam: ID 041e:4055 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Video IM Pro
[23:09] <mrbamboostick> g'day
[23:13] <mrbamboostick> i have a fresh install of kubuntu on my macbook but since the first ota update somethings wrong with the kde-gui. opening the kickoff application starter or hovering the mouse cursor over the taskbar icons displays everything from the top margin of the screen downwards, as if a display offset had been mirrored
[23:14] <mrbamboostick> who knows how to fix this?!
[23:21] <mrbamboostick> i have a fresh install of kubuntu on my macbook but since the first ota update somethings wrong with the kde-gui. opening the kickoff application starter or hovering the mouse cursor over the taskbar icons displays everything from the top margin of the screen downwards, as if a display offset had been mirrored. anybody  have a clue how to fix this?
[23:22] <James147> mrbamboostick: what happens if you move the panel to a different edge of the screen
[23:22] <mrbamboostick> hang on, i'll give it a try
[23:25] <mrbamboostick> moving it to the top edge doesn't change anything except that the kickoff starter is'nt displayed from the screen edge any more but from the lower panel edge. hovering over minimised programs or task icons however  still starts from the screen edge and covers the panel.
[23:26] <mrbamboostick> interesting...
[23:27] <mrbamboostick> moving the panel to the left edge displays the kickoff starter from the right edge of the screen and hovering displays the bubbles out of the screen apparently...
[23:27] <mrbamboostick> i'll try the right edge too, just for the hell of it.
[23:30] <mrbamboostick> panel on the right edge: kickoff starter in top right screen corner. hovering produces no bubbles at all (probably out of screen)
[23:33] <James147> mrbamboostick: you can try resetting plasma to its default settings (or test a new user first)
[23:33] <mrbamboostick> moving the panel back to the bottom doesn't change anything, but this time the kickoff icon is on its right end :)
[23:34] <mrbamboostick> i'd probably do that in the system settings, right?
[23:36] <James147> mrbamboostick: no, you need to rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[23:36] <James147> ^^ rename or move
[23:37] <mrbamboostick> ah, gotcha... most of the time i'm the type of linux user who depends on guis, but i can manage to open a console and do that. thanks :)
[23:39] <James147> ^^ dosnt need to be with a console :) you can do it from dolphin
[23:47] <roger_> DreamsofanEagle: are you the same as _dreamy?
[23:47] <DreamsofanEagle> no
[23:48] <roger_> ok
[23:48] <roger_> mrbamboostick: Did you just say OTA update?
[23:48] <mrbamboostick> James147: does that mean all files "plasma*" or "plasm*" such as plasmoidviewer-appletsrc?
[23:48] <mrbamboostick> roger: yes. i know it's android-speak
[23:49] <James147> mrbamboostick: plasmoidviewer-... shouldnt matter... though you probally wont notice if you did rename it :)
[23:49] <roger_> mrbamboostick: Wow :) the blending of Linux contiues
[23:49] <mrbamboostick> hehe
[23:50] <roger_> DreamsofanEagle: What are you using to modify the partition?
[23:50] <DreamsofanEagle> the Ubutu live installer
[23:51] <James147> DreamsofanEagle: you may want to ask at #ubuntu for ubuntu related stuff :)
[23:52] <mrbamboostick> James147: it changed nothing. do i have to log out and in again?
[23:53] <James147> mrbamboostick: no, the settings are only read when plasma-desktop is started so restart it :) (a logout will do that)
[23:53] <mrbamboostick> okies. laterz.


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