[00:10] <routebee> can someone do ma a solid?
[00:10] <routebee> I have fucked up my $PS1 variable trying to make some eye candy
[00:11] <routebee> can you "echo $PS1" and copy and paste the output in here?
[00:11] <enigma9o7[m]> checkyour skel folder for the original .bashrc
[00:11] <oerheks> haha
[00:12] <enigma9o7[m]> /etc/skel/.bashrc
[00:12] <oerheks> tons of $PS1 examples to find with bing
[00:12] <oerheks> as you do in #linux
[02:53] <croran_44[m]> Is there a good way to copy an ext4 partition without the data (in other words, just the file and directory structures with file sizes and permission settings) into a file that is then mountable later?
[02:53] <croran_44[m]> something something thin provisioning tune2fs tar?
[02:53] <croran_44[m]> sparse?
[02:57] <enigma9o7[m]> dd?
[02:57] <enigma9o7[m]> oh without the data
[02:57] <enigma9o7[m]> huh
[02:57] <enigma9o7[m]> there is tree....
[02:59] <croran_44[m]> tree is just a text output, no?
[02:59] <croran_44[m]> like ls -lR except with a little ascii art?
[02:59] <enigma9o7[m]> ya, i dont quite understand what you want, im useless
[03:10] <BadAtom> croran_44[m]: you can't replicate the file sized without replicating the data, because the file size is the data size; if you just want to replicate the directory structure and directory and file attributes you can do somewthing like: cp -R --attributes-only /sourcedir /destdir
[03:11] <pragma-> So, Canonical is forcing snap on us now? I'm trying to install nvim in ubuntu 22.04 and it says "can be installed with `snap install nvim` # version 0.7.0 or `apt install neovim` # version 0.6.1-3. I ended up just going to github to get the 0.7.2 .deb instead.
[03:12] <ravage> so. well done. problem solved
[03:12] <croran_44[m]> I feel like there's a way and I feel like I've seen it before. The file size is certainly not a function of the data. It's stored with the inode in the file system catalogue. Or do you think every file is just stored on disk with a \0 at the end and every time you run ls, the disk has to be searched for the end of each file?
[03:13] <pragma-> I used to sing and praise ubuntu's merits to everyone. "ubuntu is a great distro!" but this latest round of attempting to shovel snap down my throat is really making me think twice. I'm considering uninstall ubuntu and moving to something else and never ever telling anyone to try ubuntu.
[03:13] <ravage> pragma-, do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[03:15] <BadAtom> pragma-: it's in apt as neovim
[03:15] <croran_44[m]> oh hey. i just stumbled upon the correct google keywords to find what i needed. funny how proving someone wrong on IRC can provide inspiration...
[03:15] <pragma-> but as the ancient 0.6.3-1
[03:16] <croran_44[m]> the tool i was looking for is e2image, fyi.  https://linux.die.net/man/8/e2image
[03:16] <ravage> pragma-, that is how Ubuntu has always handled versions. you dont get the latest and greatest. you get whats merged on release
[03:17] <ravage> if you want the newest version you have to get it from somewhere else. snap is one choice Ubuntu now offers for a lot of applications
[03:17] <pragma-> That message that I pasted above really makes it look like they're holding the apt version of neovim back to 0.6.1-3 while enticingly making 0.7.0 available only as a snap
[03:18] <ravage> that may be your perception. the only thing that changed is that you now have the choice of newer versions
[03:19] <BadAtom> pragma-: that's because ubuntu is run by JFK and his team of lizard people from the basement of a pizza parlour
[03:19] <ravage> the only packages where your perception is right is chromium since 19.10 and firefox since 22.04
[03:20] <croran_44[m]> pragma-: I'm surprised you didn't move away from Ubuntu when they standardized on systemd
[03:20] <ravage> but this is all off topic. so feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss . lets keep this channel free for actual support questions
[03:20] <pragma-> This is what the message looked like: https://i.imgur.com/Umg9nxW.png
[03:23] <pragma-> Maybe you're right and they've just not gotten around to updating the apt repository for neovim yet. Maybe I attributed sheninigans to where there are none. I got a bit hotheaded seeing that message and what I thought it implied.
[03:27] <pragma-> The fact that firefox is snap-only now didn't help my perception, I tell you hwat.
[03:35] <z8z> Is anyone else experiencing hash missmatch when downloading updates?
[03:36] <ravage> no updates here atm. so i cant tell you
[03:37] <enigma9o7[m]> No z8z.
[03:37] <enigma9o7[m]> That happens cuz you added PPA or something.
[03:37] <ravage> if you get hash errors from an official repo mirror there is #ubuntu-mirrors i think
[03:38] <ravage> but usually that will fix itself.
[03:38] <enigma9o7[m]> oh ok
[03:38] <enigma9o7[m]> yeah im wrong
[03:38] <enigma9o7[m]> compoetely
[03:38] <z8z> Actually it's happening in a VirtualBox machine, after i moved from a Windows VB hypervisor to a Linux VB hypervisor (same version)
[03:39] <ravage> sounds sketchy
[03:39] <Unit193> With by-hash that shouldn't really happen, but that used to happen when a mirror was in the middle of a sync.
[03:40] <z8z> Even the system is giving "System program problem" at startup since this VM being moved
[03:41] <z8z> :|
[03:44] <z8z> I even did a memtest to make sure i don't have a messed up ram stick
[03:44] <z8z> But no errors
[03:45] <z8z> I thought you can move VM from a Windows host to a Linux host flawlessly, but apparently not :(
[03:52] <croran_44[m]> so what's the timeline on 22.04.1 again? August?
[03:54] <murmel> croran_44[m]: afair 4th
[03:54] <croran_44[m]> 2022-08-04?
[03:54] <murmel> yes
[03:55] <croran_44[m]> nice. i understand it still doesn't have a recent kernel though. I'm having to run 5.18 here to stop my amd graphics from crashing
[03:55] <croran_44[m]> I don't remember how I set that up. had to add a custom repo if i recall.
[03:56] <Bashing-om> croran_44[m]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2022-July/131491.html .
[03:56] <murmel> croran_44[m]: i guess most would use mainline (the program) to manage their mainline kernels from canonical
[03:56] <croran_44[m]> I believe they fixed the bug in... 5.16 maybe, but the latest in hwe was like... 5.13? something like that.
[03:56] <croran_44[m]> nice! 5.17 may be good for me.
[03:56] <croran_44[m]> would be nice to be back on an officially supported config
[03:57] <murmel> croran_44[m]: well as 22.04 doesn't have a hwe kernel for now :/
[03:57] <croran_44[m]> murmel: oh ok. well i had the hwe metapackage
[03:57] <croran_44[m]> i guess it was just 'empty'. lol
[03:58] <croran_44[m]> err i mean, i'm on 20.04 so irrelevant.
[03:58] <murmel> croran_44[m]: the hwe kernel still only points to 5.15 ;)
[03:58] <murmel> i guessed so :P
[03:58] <croran_44[m]> sticking with 20.04 until official upgrades start.
[04:07] <enigma9o7[m]> hwe kernel's usually come with non-lts releases. so whatever kernel comes with kinetic will likely be the first hwe kernel
[04:52] <Nick01> hi
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome Nick01
[04:53] <Nick01> sup
[07:28] <m3r1> hi
[07:29] <m3r1> i need help
[07:29] <m3r1> with my linux mint
[07:29] <m3r1> whith
[09:06] <nxcv> why cant you press middle mouse button to scroll on ubuntu? can this be enabled somewhere?
[09:19] <nulldoot> hi
[09:20] <nulldoot> is there any way to increase video image quality on ubuntu 20.04?
[09:20] <nxcv> is there a way of checking the names of system libraries for linking?
[09:21] <nulldoot> idk
[09:31] <KBar> nxcv: that depends on the app you're using. firefox supports middle click scroll (called autoscrolling)
[09:31] <KBar> as does evince (pdf viewer)
[09:46] <cbreak> nxcv: ldd can check which libs a binary links to
[09:47] <cbreak> if you want to compile your own program, you usually don't have to list system libs, those will be linked automatically
[09:49] <iomari891> greetings, is there a config file that I can set "-no-install-recommends" for apt so it's the default?
[09:53] <oerheks> iomari891, in short; no. and could mess up your install..
[10:05] <KBar> iomari891: how about 'APT::Install-Recommends "0"' ?
[10:05] <iomari891> oerheks: so when do I know to allow it or not?
[10:05] <iomari891> KBar: thanks
[10:06] <iomari891> KBar: where would I put that?
[10:06] <KBar> iomari891: conf is stored in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[10:06] <iomari891> thanks
[10:06] <KBar> iomari891: `apt-config dump` to see your current apt conf
[10:06] <KBar> np
[10:08] <oerheks> Where could that go wrong?
[10:09] <iomari891> that's what I.m searching for now
[10:15] <brk> hello, can someone please help me understand why some of the alias commands does't work?  ---> https://pastebin.com/GfnhmJhS
[10:17] <oerheks> the lines with sudo do not work?
[10:17] <oerheks> *hint*
[10:19] <brk> how to make them work
[10:19] <oerheks> create an alias for sudo; alias sudo = ' sudo<space> '  .... https://linuxhandbook.com/run-alias-as-sudo/
[10:19] <KBar> brk only the first name is expanded to the command bash(1). you need to add a space for sudo
[10:19] <KBar> add an alias for sudo
[10:19] <KBar> eg s='sudo '
[10:20] <brk> ok will try
[10:21] <KBar> also, such question are better asked in #linux
[10:21] <oerheks> why?
[10:21] <brk> KBar, thanks, I always feel its like my questions are not specifically ubuntu related
[10:22] <brk> alias s='sudo' .... and do I have to assign the password, or it will prompted when typing s?
[10:22] <KBar> it will prompt
[10:22] <brk> great
[10:23] <brk> let me reboot
[10:23] <KBar> no need
[10:23] <KBar> just source bashrc
[10:23] <KBar> . ~/.bash_aliases
[10:23] <KBar> or whatever file you store your aliases in
[10:24] <KBar> brk: you could have just sourced your .bash_aliases file. no need to reboot
[10:25] <brk> KBar, how? it always needs reboot
[10:25] <KBar> brk: . ~/.bash_aliases
[10:25] <KBar> it doesn't "need" rebooting
[10:26] <KBar> it needs to re read its startup file. closing terminal windows and opening new ones also works.
[10:27] <brk> oh dear (facepalm) thank you for that tip!
[10:27] <KBar> hehe, linux is full of new surprises
[10:28] <brk> yeah, and this channel gave me so much interesting tips that have saved me ton of time
[10:29] <brk> however, after I assigned 's' for sudo, and then calling 's macr' it is still not found
[10:30] <KBar> brk: you didnt append a trailing space, did you?
[10:30] <brk> no
[10:30] <brk> just realised it
[10:30] <brk> thanks
[10:31] <KBar> brk: it doesn't matter what alias you choose, as long as its unique. s='sudo ' sudo='sudo ' DONTDOIT='sudo ' all work, just add a space
[10:33] <brk> thank you guys! it works now
[10:33] <KBar> yw
[10:34] <brk> have a nice day :)
[11:03] <brkcore> ./msg ns id nick pass not working
[11:19] <brkcore> KBar, tehy are talking history in linux mate
[11:19] <brkcore> and geography
[11:21] <oerheks> no reason to mention that here ..
[11:21] <brkcore> right
[12:20] <godSend23> hey all
[12:20] <godSend23> i'm using an offshoot of ubuntu but i'm not getting any input working for the notebook
[12:21] <KBar> godSend23: what do you mean "offshoot"?
[12:21] <godSend23> it's base on ubuntu but repackaged
[12:21] <KBar> godSend23: this channel only supports official Ubuntu OS.
[12:21] <KBar> godSend23: contact your repackager
[12:26] <godSend23> ok KBar
[12:26] <godSend23> how can i supplement the liveUSB env as easily as possible w/ the needed drivers/ modules?
[12:26] <godSend23> to make the inputs work
[12:28] <KBar> godSend23: are we still talking about that "offshoot" Ubuntu? Where did you get it?
[12:29] <godSend23> let me link to it
[12:29] <rob0> that should work out of the box on Ubuntu Live. What inputs are not working?
[12:30] <KBar> rob0: the problem is they are using an "offshoot" of Ubuntu :)
[12:30] <KBar> so..
[12:30] <godSend23> all of them
[12:30] <ravage> godSend23, you dont need to link any non-Ubuntu stuff. Boot a legit version of the Ubuntu 22.04 live environment. then someone may be able to help you
[12:31] <rob0> ^^
[12:31] <KBar> exactly
[12:31] <godSend23> on msft surface, but i need the repackaged forensics tools
[12:31] <godSend23> https://sumuri.com/
[12:32] <KBar> godSend23: we only support those ISO downloaded from ubuntu.com/downloads
[12:32] <KBar> as i said earlier, contact your repackager
[12:32] <ravage> godSend23, https://sumuri.com/forum/ or come back with real Ubuntu
[12:32] <godSend23> they said it's based on ubuntu
[12:33] <godSend23> but inputs no work
[12:33] <ravage> that may be totally possible. it is still not supported here
[12:48] <rob0> so, Google suggests that surface/surface pro should not be a problem with Ubuntu
[12:49] <Teckla> Hi everyone.  Quick (hopefully) question.  I enabled remote desktop on Ubuntu.  I can use Remote Desktop on Windows 11 to attach to the Ubuntu machine, and see the desktop.  But keyboard and mouse events aren't making it through.  Any ideas?
[12:49] <ravage> rob0, god already made a callback. he is gone
[12:49] <Teckla> (Interestingly, if I do things on the Ubuntu machine itself, I can see the updates in Remote Desktop (client) on Windows 11.)
[12:54] <KBar>  Teckla is Ubuntu machine running on X or Wayland?
[12:57] <Teckla> KBar: It's regular Ubuntu 22.04 running Gnome 3, right from the Ubuntu home page... do you know which it defaults to?
[12:59] <ravage> Teckla, "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[12:59] <KBar> Teckla: Ubuntu 22.04 runs Gnome 42. Open a terminal emulator on Ubuntu and run this `printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE`
[13:00] <KBar> It will show either 'x11' or 'wayland'.
[13:04] <Teckla> KBar: wayland
[13:06] <rob0> ravage: sorry, yes, I was aware of that. I was interested. Feel free to /ignore me, thanks.
[13:09] <duuude> why was wubi dismantled?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> out of security concerns duuude
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> !wubi
[13:11] <duuude> lotuspsychje: what kind of security concerns?
[13:12] <duuude> I helped alot of people with installing Xubuntu and without exception the hardest part is getting the USB to boot
[13:12] <duuude> by running an installer on Windows and then rebooting it could be neatly solved
[13:13] <Teckla> KBar: I think I see where this is going.  I'll try switching to x11.  Thanks.  :)
[13:20] <Teckla> KBar: It works!  Thank you very much!
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> duuude: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/036993.html
[13:23] <KBar> Teckla: you're most welcome!
[13:55] <Tach> I see issues with Gluster on 21.04, anyone seen this as well ?? 0-glusterfs-fuse: FUSE inited with protocol versions: glusterfs 7.24 kernel 7.33
[13:55] <Tach> I have Gluster 9.4 installed
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> Tach: 21.04 is end of life now
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> Tach: best to clean install a supported version from our topic
[14:02] <Tach> lotuspsychje oh damn it is ? mhh.. I saw the 21.10 upgrade message but that's not LTS, or is it now ? I will check the lifetime docs... wasn't around with my systems for a while... we are still humans, computers don't get ill :D
[14:02] <Tach> *lifecycle
[14:03] <Tach> oh yes 22.04 is there, thanks!
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> Tach: for security reasons you might start over clean
[14:05] <Tach> lotuspsychje yeah can do but never had that issue before, why ?
[14:05] <Tach> for this setup I first upgrade, later on I can change the nodes to default installs
[14:05] <Tach> it's a cluster
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> Tach: when a release goes eol, things can go wrong better not put too much effort in it anymore
[14:07] <Tach> lotuspsychje true but it's worth a try
[14:07] <jadenlian> where can i get drivers for a docking station since my system is not recognizing it
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> jadenlian: ubuntu should load modules on booting your system, if not, check your dmesg for issues
[14:08] <rob0> jadenlian: perhaps you could share some details
[14:08] <Tach> jadenlian manufactor ?
[14:09] <jadenlian> usg-c adapter designed by MOKING
[14:10] <jadenlian> USB CORRECTION
[14:10] <rob0> and when you plug it in, what is reported in dmesg?
[14:10] <jadenlian> let check
[14:11] <ice99> why would the browser makes a block file here: audit: type=1400 audit(1656606577.163:127): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="firejail-default" name="/proc/4/fd/63" pid=82259 comm="brave-browser-s" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[14:15] <jadenlian> https://termbin.com/kpdv
[14:15] <jadenlian> thats the output
[14:17] <jadenlian> when i plug the monitors to the adapter theres nothing   i guess theres missing software or something
[14:17] <tomreyn> jadenlian: this output shows no events which can be directly related to a usb-c device
[14:18] <jadenlian> thats whats in the log after me plugging the adapter and i unplug it and theres no change
[14:18] <tomreyn> try a different usb connector. if there is still no output, disconnect it, then run    sudo udevadm monitor    and conenct it again
[14:18] <jadenlian> its like i didnt plug anything
[14:19] <tomreyn> it's possible that this device needs a separate power supply
[14:19] <rob0> if you can test that usb-c plugin with another OS, that might help
[14:20] <jadenlian> thats only one on this laptop
[14:20] <jadenlian> but i try on another laptop and it doesnt work
[14:20] <rob0> windows or whatever, does it work there? Try to rule out hardware issues. Does any other usb-c device work?
[14:20] <jadenlian> but the other one has windows
[14:21] <rob0> oh, then it could be a defective docking station
[14:21] <jadenlian> at my cousin's job he connects the adapter and it works fine
[14:21] <rob0> The only one I have Just Works with any OS I have tried
[14:22] <rob0> I got it with a Windows machine, it works there, with a Mac and with Linux.
[14:24] <jadenlian> rob0: it works in pc with windows and in another pc with windows does not work  mine is ubuntu and is not doing anything
[14:25] <rob0> so I guess we ruled out hardware issue with the docking station itself
[14:25] <rob0> now would be interesting to test the usb-c jack itself
[14:25] <Linux_Kerio> Hii is Ubuntu better than Debian or both are perfect for using ?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Linux_Kerio
[14:25] <KBar> Linux_Kerio: off-topic.
[14:25] <rob0> if you have another usb-c device to test with
[14:26] <Linux_Kerio> ok thanks
[14:26] <KBar> Just a thought, did you check your BIOS settings? jadenlian
[14:27] <jadenlian> kbar:looking for what exactly
[14:27] <rob0> perhaps if your usb-c is disabled?
[14:28] <jadenlian> rob0:how can i check to see if its disable without connecting another device  since i dont have another one right now
[14:28] <rob0> I'm just trying to suggest troubleshooting steps for you
[14:29] <rob0> and KBar suggested checking your BIOS (UEFI) settings to see if your usb-c was disabled there
[14:30] <jadenlian> both usbjacks on ubuntu and windows pc work
[14:30] <jadenlian> i connected my phone on both and the jacks are not the issue
[14:33] <rob0> "lsusb -v" with the phone, then with the docking station, do those show anything interesting?
[14:33] <jadenlian> let me check
[14:37] <jadenlian>  i pluged a usb drive to the adapter and it read it  i guess its the monitors that is not reading
[14:44] <jadenlian> there're three pcs two <HP> one <microsoft surface>  one hp running ubuntu, one runnning windows, microsoft surface running windows when the adapter is connected is connected to the microsoft surface pc  anything connected to the adapter works   but if the adapter is connected to eather HP  only usb-drives connected to the adapter are read  the monitors connected on hdmi cable are not displayed
[14:45] <tomreyn> please try to make use of punctuation. it was introduced to most languages for a reason.
[14:45] <tomreyn> either way, i believe you are dealing with a hardware issue.
[14:46] <brkcore> AutoEnable=false, but bluetooth is still on on boot
[14:48] <brkcore>  for ubuntu 22.04 is it only with rfkill block bluetooth with rc.local I can do , or there is another workaround?
[14:50] <brkcore> seems like it will be giving me problems turning it on manually
[14:50] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/bluetooth-turn-on-off.html
[14:51] <brkcore> tomreyn, im asking for bluetooth automatically on, on boot
[14:52] <brkcore> and how to stop it coming on after boot
[14:52] <oerheks> why on, on boot?
[14:52] <tomreyn> if you have a hardware switch, that should prevail
[14:52] <oerheks> usually it turns on after user login
[14:52] <brkcore> oerheks, it is always on on booth, I want it off on boot
[14:53] <oerheks> that page is correct, it won' t turn on automaticly when turned off.
[14:53] <brkcore> i just changed the autoenable=true to false in the config, but it didnt work
[14:54] <brkcore> the page is correct, but im asking how to prevent the service loading on boot.
[14:54] <brkcore> I just dont want the bluetooth to be on automatically when I boot and log in
[14:56] <tomreyn> https://fostips.com/disable-bluetooth-auto-start-ubuntu-debian/ lists other options. but i think you really want to use the hardware kill switch
[14:56] <KBar> brkcore: 1) systemctl disable bluetooth.service and 2) you need blacklist the modules
[14:56] <KBar> depending on your bluetooth model, you're gonna have to disable half a dozen modules
[14:57] <KBar> i have 7 in my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bluetooth.conf
[14:57] <brkcore> oerheks, I dont have a hardware kill
[14:57] <brkcore> KBar, so running a command on boot, will be the easiest i guess
[14:57] <KBar> they're: hci_uart, btusb, btintel, btqca, btbcm, brrtl, bluetooth
[14:58] <oerheks> just disable it in settings > bluetooth..
[14:58] <KBar> depends on your bluetooth adapter..
[14:58] <oerheks> really, not that hard
[14:58] <oerheks> and it certainly does not turn on. on boot or after login.
[14:59] <brkcore> KBar, hm, okay. what is the simplest and reliaghble command to deactivate/ turn off the bluetooth?
[14:59] <brkcore> I can use that command in a script with rc.local, on each boot will be turning off the bluetooth
[15:00] <KBar> brkcore: have you read what others have suggested to you?
[15:00] <brkcore> oerheks, after reboot it comes on again, regardless of whether I switched manually on or off bluetooth
[15:01] <oerheks> are you actually using ubuntu?
[15:02] <brkcore> sigh, okay maybe I am missing something for real.
[15:02] <brkcore> You are suggesting, to go manually right now and turn on the bluetooth from the system tray, and then reboot, and then the bluetooth will not be on on boot?
[15:02] <brkcore> *turn off the blutooth i meant.
[15:03] <KBar> brkcore: what's the model? `bluetoothctl devices` or whatever
[15:07] <KBar> brkcore_ what's the model of bt device? `sudo lshw` and find entry for bluetooth. in configuration field, look for driver=
[15:08] <brkcore_> KBar, https://pastebin.com/nXd6EZ4N
[15:09] <KBar> brkcore_: can you run the command i told you?
[15:09] <brkcore_> yes, I am doing it, the first one was doind before you asked me
[15:12] <brkcore_> sorry, there is a lot fields with driver=
[15:12] <brkcore_> https://pastebin.com/Shm0QZ95
[15:12] <brkcore_> i grep it
[15:12] <KBar> my god...
[15:13] <brkcore_> and how to find it with lshw then, where the output is big
[15:13] <KBar> brkcore_: `sudo lshw | grep -iC12 bluetooth`
[15:13] <brkcore_>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.01
[15:14] <brkcore_> ok
[15:14] <brkcore_> product: AX201 Bluetooth
[15:15] <KBar> brkcore_: can you share the whole output?
[15:15] <brkcore_> ok
[15:15] <brkcore_> https://pastebin.com/6rBC2Rgb
[15:15] <KBar> brkcore_: just run `sudo lshw` without grep
[15:15] <brkcore_> ok
[15:16] <brkcore_> and how to use nc for this command please?
[15:16] <KBar> brkcore_: `sudo lshw | nc termbin.com 9999`
[15:17] <brkcore_> thanks
[15:17] <brkcore_> https://termbin.com/cvzt
[15:18] <KBar> brkcore_: its `btusb`. now `lsmod | grep btusb | nc termbin.com 9999`
[15:19] <brkcore_> https://termbin.com/i2no
[15:19] <KBar> brkcore_: did you disable it via systemctl first?
[15:19] <KBar> as i told you
[15:19] <brkcore_> no, i didn see it mentioning it, sorry
[15:19] <KBar> brkcore_: `systemctl disable bluetooth.service`
[15:20] <brkcore_> ok
[15:20] <brkcore_> and now lsmod with btusb again?
[15:21] <brkcore_> https://termbin.com/3rtc
[15:21] <enigma9o7[m]> navit linux
[15:21] <KBar> brkcore_: no. do you know how to modify kernel parameters?
[15:22] <brkcore_> let me know what to modify and i will find some guide online
[15:23] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[15:23] <KBar> brkcore_: have a read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters you basically need to blacklist some or all of the modules in the list but in a very specific order
[15:24] <KBar> for that you're gonna have to enter GRUB command line and try different permutations of blacklisting. once you get it to work, i.e. lsmod | grep btusb shows nothing, you need to create a modprobe conf file in the aforementioned directory /etc/modprobe.d/ and place them one by one line by line
[15:24] <Tach> I always wonder why packages like gluster-cli and such are not available anymore when doing release-upgrades ?
[15:24] <Tach> some servers do, some don't
[15:24] <KBar> aka 'blacklist module1'
[15:24] <KBar> 'blacklist module2' etc.
[15:25] <KBar> brkcore_: one hint: btrtl and bluetooth are the last
[15:25] <brkcore_> KBar, can this be done on VM?
[15:25] <wantom> wow alot of people
[15:25] <KBar> brkcore_: what do you mean?
[15:26] <KBar> brkcore_: is this a vm?
[15:26] <wantom> its a actual machine haha
[15:26] <KBar> but why wouldn't you tell it... anyway, vm or not is irrelevant
[15:27] <brkcore_> KBar, its not, I got the idea, I can do it. But afraid if I mess something, dont want to reinstall the system
[15:27] <tomreyn> FWIW, pressing Fn-F9 on this huawei matebook 14 2020 should switch any radio devices on or off at the same time.
[15:27] <enigma9o7[m]> timeshift
[15:27] <KBar> if you follow the things ive said, you will have successfully disabled everything bluetooth-related (like I did)
[15:27] <brkcore_> KBar, but i guess on a VM that wont be able to try first
[15:28] <KBar> brkcore_: that's why you do it in a GRUB....
[15:28] <brkcore_> KBar, ok
[15:28] <KBar> if you mess up, you just reboot and parameters are restored
[15:28] <brkcore_> KBar, and will be able to manually turning on bluetooth and pairing devices etc?
[15:28] <KBar> brkcore_: only if you manually load those modules back
[15:28] <KBar> once you need it
[15:29] <KBar> they are DKMS...
[15:29] <KBar> brkcore_: read the article and hear to tomreyn's advice
[15:29] <brkcore_> KBar, ok thank you
[15:31] <wantom> ummm.....xbuntu seems slower
[15:32] <enigma9o7[m]> than?
[15:32] <brkcore_> tomreyn, Fn + F9 it doesn't, perhaps because it works only on windows and not on ubuntu, maybe
[15:33] <duuude> slower than what, wantom?
[15:33] <oerheks> FN keys are hardware keys, os independant.
[15:34] <brkcore_> oerheks, maybe there is no supporting drivers, same as my sound courd is not supported and i have no sound
[15:34] <tomreyn> brkcore_: it's possible that Fn-F9 only controls wireless.
[15:34] <brkcore_> tomreyn, actually it doesnt controll anything
[15:35] <jhutchins> oerheks: Actually, most of the ones I've dealt with (Dell & Asus) require a kernel driver to enable them during OS sessions.
[15:35] <jhutchins> Some fairly common ones like Audio Volume work with a generic kernel, others like BT and WFI control don't, but drivers are available.
[15:36] <oerheks> jhutchins, never noticed such, always worked here on laptops.
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> same here oerheks
[15:36] <jhutchins> oerheks: They're like any other key, they generate a scan code.
[15:36] <oerheks> i still believe those are hw key combo' s.
[15:37] <jhutchins> Audio, Backlight, work on this Dell Lattitude, Sleep, Lock, Touchpad do not.  I haven't persued enabling those.
[15:38] <jhutchins> Audio keys are dedicated keys.
[15:38] <tomreyn> wantom: hi! please note this is a support channel. if you have an ubuntu support question, feel free to ask.
[15:38] <brkcore> is it possible to change the operation on these F keys?
[15:39] <jhutchins> brkcore: If you can find the scan code they produce, and the BIOS isn't intercepting it, you can re-map that code.
[15:39] <jhutchins> !keymap
[15:40] <KBar> no keyboard key is a hardware key. hardware kill switches act on the hardware, your keys on the keyboard dont. they have scancodes that are mapped to kernel keycodes
[15:41] <brkcore> yeah thats interesting too, can you please show me any artical to have a read and then will be able to search more on it?
[15:41] <KBar> those media keys are in the realm of XF86 keys, i believe
[15:41] <KBar> anyway this is offtopic
[15:43] <jhutchins> KBar: The on-topic question is how to re-map the keys in Ubuntu (Gnome).
[15:43] <oerheks> F keys can be remapped, FN keys not.
[15:43] <brkcore> KBar, I will be going to try disabling the  bt modules
[15:44] <brkcore> oerheks, in my case i need F keys to remap, so any article online that can get me started in to this, please share it
[15:44] <tomreyn> for the function keys, see the note on top of https://github.com/aymanbagabas/Huawei-WMI
[15:46] <KBar> jhutchins: yeah but what i said was mostly off-topic, and it was mostly me talking out loud
[15:48] <brkcore> tomreyn, thank you, that driver is good to update
[15:51] <tomreyn> brkcore: note that you will likely be running a 5.15 kernel if you're on 22.04 LTS. so the functionality should already be present, unless your model is not supported by it.
[15:52] <brkcore> tomreyn, it is, and all works all fine, all keys
[15:52] <tomreyn> so what changed between when you said none work and now?
[15:52] <brkcore> tomreyn, no, when you suggested to use FN+f9, i forgot that I dont have to use FN to use these keys
[15:53] <brkcore> and F9 wasnt turning off, since the FN is unlocked
[15:53] <tomreyn> you have function lock set in bios, i see
[15:53] <brkcore> yep
[15:53] <brkcore> and so F9 turns aeroplain mode on
[15:54] <tomreyn> including for bluetooth, i assume?
[15:54] <brkcore> or just kills all radio signals
[15:54] <brkcore> tomreyn, yeah :)
[15:54] <tomreyn> so exactly as i described ;)
[15:54] <brkcore> im wathing xev autput now, to see if i can find any info on the keys
[15:55] <brkcore> tomreyn, yep, exactly it was just my fault
[15:55] <tomreyn> no worries, glad it works
[15:55] <brkcore> tomreyn, nothing works, i need wifi on and bluetooth off
[15:56] <Tach> can I install glusterfs-client 10.2 on 22.04 ?
[15:56] <tomreyn> brkcore: i believe KBar explained how you can set this up
[15:57] <brkcore> tomreyn,  yeah, and I will be trying it.
[15:57] <oerheks> Tach, jammy gives 10.1-1
[15:57] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+package/glusterfs-client
[15:57] <Tach> oerheks I know but it has a bug
[15:57] <tomreyn> Tach: if that's not the version provided by ubuntu, then only if you can find a compatible build elsewhere
[15:58] <tomreyn> or build it yourself
[15:58] <tomreyn> bug fixes do not usually require minor version updates
[15:58] <Tach> tomreyn yeah I'm searching :)
[15:58] <tomreyn> !latest | Tach
[15:59] <KBar> brkcore: this is what it will look like in the end: https://termbin.com/fa6h
[15:59] <KBar> that's /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bluetooth.conf
[15:59] <brkcore> thats in the modprobe.d ?
[15:59] <brkcore> ok great
[15:59] <Tach> tomreyn this is where I run into: https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/issues/3156
[15:59] <KBar> you can name it whatever you want but the .conf suffix should remain
[16:01] <brkcore> thanks a lot KBar
[16:01] <KBar> dont mention it
[16:01] <KBar> you're lucky i know this stuff. i went through this a while ago :)
[16:02] <tomreyn> Tach: according to this bug report, this is just a warning message and the mount does succeed?
[16:02] <Tach> tomreyn it does not succeed, that's my issue
[16:02] <brkcore> yeah, and now its just copy/pasting what you did in much less time. I mean all of you guys should have some patreon links or crypto walltes, so we can tip you
[16:03] <tomreyn> Tach: and it would have surprised me with this message, indeed
[16:03] <Tach> tomreyn me as well
[16:04] <Tach> tomreyn do you know if: Is there a difference between Number of Bricks: 1 x 3 = 3 and Number of Bricks: 3 ?
[16:05] <tomreyn> Tach: i do't know what you're asking, is this Ubuntu support related? if it's a joke, then i'm sorry to have failed to understand it.
[16:06] <Tach> tomreyn it's not a joke... it's what gluster tells me about my existing bricks 1x 3 = 3...
[16:07] <tomreyn> Tach: for now, i suggest to look for an existing bug report against ubuntu's glusterfs-client on launchpad. and if there is none, to file one, referring to the upstream bug report.
[16:07] <Tach> tomreyn there is one and we need to wait :(
[16:07] <Tach> Maybe I need to donate someone some pepper :P
[16:07] <KBar> yeah, but mb its joking? programs have become sentient these das
[16:08] <tomreyn> Tach: do you know the bug id?
[16:08] <Tach> tomreyn sec
[16:10] <Tach> tomreyn I think I need to create a new one, this one is not going to be picked up (again)
[16:11] <tomreyn> Tach: why do you say this?
[16:12] <Tach> tomreyn because the merge has been done for 10.1 or so
[16:13] <Psil0Cybin> hmm
[16:14] <tomreyn> Tach: the latest open bug report against the glusterfs source package in ubuntu was filed in 2019
[16:14] <Tach> tomreyn yeah it's a followup message, will create a new one
[16:14] <KBar> its probably best to report it upstream
[16:15] <tomreyn> it's been reported upstream, it's just the link to that that's missing
[16:15] <tomreyn> glusterfs has moved into main with jammy, so support will have improved
[16:23] <tomreyn> Tach: on a quick glance, (only) in terms of package dependencies, you should be able to upgrade all the glsuterfs related packages (glusterfs* and libg*) you have installed now to their kinetic versions. but .... no guarantees (try it on a test system first).
[16:25] <Tach> tomreyn I'm trying PPA now
[16:29] <tomreyn> oh, right, https://launchpad.net/~gluster/+archive/ubuntu/glusterfs-10?field.series_filter=jammy looks like it could work
[17:02] <kzootech> Hello, world! I'm having trouble with my radeon pro wx4100 on ubuntu, i can only boot with nomodeset in grub and then when i do boot i can only use one of my screens.
[17:02] <kzootech> without nomodeset the monitors just keep trying to power up and then go back to power save mode
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: wich ubuntu release would that be?
[17:04] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: 22.04
[17:04] <kzootech> fwiw i have had this issue with debian and fedora live "cd"s as well
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: did you compare wayland vs xorg?
[17:05] <kzootech> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245260 this actually describes the problem perfectly (same card and monitors, i only have 2 though) but there is no solution
[17:05] <KBar> kzootech: sounds like a hardware-related issue. any settings in bios/eufi?
[17:06] <kzootech> i think the latest fedora is wayland? but idk
[17:06] <kzootech> KBar: the card has worked fine (and continues to) in win 10
[17:06] <KBar> kzootech: on the same computer?
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: at wich point exactly monitor shuts off?
[17:06] <kzootech> i have the integrated gpu now turned off in bios to see if that was a cause of the issue, it is not
[17:06] <kzootech> KBar: yes same computer, im trying to dual boot it
[17:07] <KBar> that might be the problem. but not sure
[17:07] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: basically a few moments after i press enter on the grub screen
[17:07] <kzootech> nomodeset can get me to a desktop at least
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> thats early
[17:07] <kzootech> but with just one monitor and im assuming no acceleration
[17:07] <kzootech> yeah it very early in the boot
[17:08] <KBar> kzootech: try disabling plymouth ?
[17:08] <kzootech> how do i do that?
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: have you tryed pressing F1 at boot, see if you can catch errors?
[17:08] <KBar> kzootech: delete `splash quiet` from /etc/default/grub
[17:08] <KBar> run sudo update-grub
[17:09] <kzootech> ill try restarting
[17:09] <KBar> kzootech: not the line itself, just the values. so its left as is but without these two
[17:09] <kzootech> yeah i got you
[17:09] <KBar> cool
[17:09] <KBar> just making sure
[17:09] <kzootech> im pretty sure i tried this before but ill try again
[17:10] <kzootech> oh.... text
[17:10] <kzootech> and... monitor power save mode
[17:10] <kzootech> let me run that again to see how far it got...
[17:11] <KBar> does it come with its software of sorts? maybe you can access its management on your windows OS and see if you can disable auto power save mode
[17:11] <KBar> nvidia has optimus or whatever
[17:12] <kzootech> it scrolls by pretty quick, but it definately gets to init or whatever init thing ubuntu uses
[17:12] <kzootech> thats a good thought, ill take a look in win 10 for a setting...
[17:16] <kzootech> hmm im not seeing a power save mode in the radeon pro settings
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: is it possible to share a dmesg in a !paste please
[17:19] <kzootech> maybe, is the previous dmesg log going to be in /var/log?
[17:19] <kzootech> because if i dont use modeset i cant really do much
[17:19] <kzootech> i guess i could setup ssh and probably still ssh in...
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: you could try journalctl -b -1 for a previous boot
[17:20] <kzootech> ill take a look in a second, i want to make sure im not missing a setting here
[17:20] <kzootech> the only thing im coming up with that feels like on the right track is EDID settings
[17:24] <KBar> kzootech: might be worth checking out: https://www.amd.com/en/support/professional-graphics/radeon-pro/radeon-pro-wx-x100-series/radeon-pro-wx-4100
[17:26] <kzootech> http://codepad.org/FMe1Az1O dmesg
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> try disabling your secureboot kzootech
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> that can influence the proper working of hardware
[17:30] <kzootech> looks like the same behavior with secure boot disabled
[17:30] <kzootech> KBar: it doesnt look that there is a driver they provide for 22.04
[17:31] <KBar> try the one for 20.04?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> i dont see errors on radeon in your dmesg
[17:33] <kzootech> me either
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: sudo lshw -C video , plz?
[17:35] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: http://codepad.org/DUGCrjF3
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah unclaimed means no driver loaded kzootech
[17:36] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: that is using "nomodeset" at boot
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> right
[17:39] <kzootech> cant use amds driver from their set because of dependancy issues
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: did your card work properly on 20.04?
[17:42] <kzootech> i never tried 20.04
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: maybe load up a liveusb for a test?
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: here your chipset shows 18.04 certified; https://ubuntu.com/certified/component/388
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> maybe we got luck on 20.04 too
[17:44] <kzootech> im just sort of starting the process of migrating my desktop back to linux, i sitll have a few years until win 10 is dead anyway, but my plan was to dual boot for a while to dial in a linux distro the way i like it
[17:44] <kzootech> ill try 20.04
[17:44] <kzootech> being on the latest and greatest isnt really a concern to me
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: if we can find the root of your issue, would be great
[17:45] <KBar> a good rule of thumb of mine: if i want stability, i wait until at least the first point release
[17:45] <KBar> to switch to the new lts release
[17:45] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: yeah im probably mostly curious as to what the actual issue is right now
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> kzootech: have you been able to pinpoint your boot in txt mode where your screen goes off?
[17:48] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: it goes to fast, but it starts going through init (or whatever init program ubuntu uses) where you get the "[ OK ]" messages, et al
[17:48] <kzootech> so its past just the kernel booting
[17:48] <kzootech> it seems like it goes black when X11 runs is my guess
[17:48] <kzootech> with quiet splash removed, that is
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> maybe its 22.04 kernel doesnt like the chipset
[17:48] <KBar> kzootech: you can switch to virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+f2) and view journal from there `journalctl -b`
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> try 20.04 to compare
[17:49] <KBar> kzootech: ubuntu 22.04 runs wayland by default
[17:49] <kzootech> im downloading 20.04 right now
[17:49] <kzootech> ah does it?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> but his screen shuts off before login
[17:49] <KBar> kzootech: do you see gdm pop up?
[17:49] <enigma9o7[m]> on some gpu
[17:49] <kzootech> KBar: only with nomodeset
[17:49] <KBar> i see
[17:50] <kzootech> nomodeset is the only way i can get anywhere really
[17:51] <kzootech> im going to try to boot 20.04 here in a few minutes and see what happens
[17:51] <kzootech> it would kind of surprise me if that fixed it, none of this is new hardware by anyones standards really
[17:51] <kzootech> i guess the radeon pro wx4100 is slightly exoctic?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> we will have to see what happens kzootech
[18:05] <kzootech> same issue on 20.04 live
[18:06] <kzootech> but i could install that driver on 20.04
[18:06] <kzootech> theoretically
[18:08] <kzootech> seems like the next step might be to try to install 20.04 on disk and then install that driver
[18:09] <kzootech> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245260 its interesting that the person experience what seems like the same issue on arch didnt have problems if they used minidp to dvi adapters, but i have none of those to test with right now
[18:09] <kzootech> i have minidp to dp cables
[18:11] <minist3r>  did anyone update ubuntu focal arm last week and break drivers and os run super sluggish?
[18:11] <minist3r> I'm on rockpro64
[18:12] <jhutchins> minist3r: Apparently you did.
[18:12] <minist3r> I did lol
[18:12] <jhutchins> !arm
[18:12] <minist3r> I'm in that channel but its not very active
[18:12] <jhutchins> minist3r: You'll probably need to get down to which specific drivers are broken and what processes appear slow.
[18:13] <minist3r> @ubottu
[18:13] <minist3r> The whole OS is sluggish
[18:13] <jhutchins> minist3r: That's our bot, and @ prevents nicks from highlighting.
[18:13] <minist3r> and network drivers stopped working
[18:13] <jhutchins> minist3r: Were you able to revert to a backup?
[18:14] <minist3r> unfortinately I just built this server and didnt get a backup made I know dumb
[18:15] <minist3r> Its an xmpp server with ejabberd and postgres sql wonder if its easier to just backup the config and database
[18:15] <minist3r> and reinstall OS
[18:16] <jhutchins> minist3r: I hate just doing a blind rebuild, but that's probably the quickest fix.
[18:17] <minist3r> @jhutchins I do too it too me awhile to get the xmpp server working right, wish there was another option
[18:18] <minist3r> is there a cmd to reverse recent upgrade?
[18:18] <jhutchins> minist3r: You could go through driver by driver.  Can you boot to an earlier version of the kernel?
[18:18] <jhutchins> minist3r: Unfortunately no, not in Ubuntu.
[18:19] <minist3r> Ubuntu arm seems limited compared to x86 ubuntu I'm not sure how to do that in arm version
[18:19] <minist3r> but it probably would work
[18:20] <jhutchins> AFIK RedHat's the only distro that builds rollback capability into it's packages.
[18:20] <jhutchins> minist3r: Ideally you would get a boot menu that would let you choose an earlier kernel, but the .deb branch doesn't preserve kernels as well as some.
[18:20] <minist3r> maybe i can install driver manager on it
[18:25] <minist3r> @jhutchins ya theres no boot menu unfortinately
[18:27] <alkisg> minist3r: which image are you using, Ayufan's?
[18:27] <KBar>  minist3r the @ sign doesn't work in IRC
[18:27] <vqueiroz> I am having some problems with an optimus laptop, so I wonder if Ubuntu would be a good alternative for that.
[18:28] <minist3r> Armbian_22.05.1_Rockpro64_focal_current_5.15.35_cinnamon_desktop.img
[18:29] <minist3r> from https://www.armbian.com/rockpro64/
[18:29] <minist3r> it worked great till I upgraded it
[18:29] <alkisg> Question for myself, did you manage to get hardware accelerated youtube with that image?
[18:30] <alkisg> (in browser, that is)
[18:30] <minist3r> I believe so pretty sure I used youtube once or twice
[18:31] <alkisg> Thanks; I'll try it. Not sure about the sluggish behavior, if that's xfce, maybe it's related to their window manager?
[18:32] <minist3r> I'm using cinnamon
[18:32] <alkisg> Whoops cinnamon, ok maybe that too
[18:33] <minist3r> Should i just install a different gui then remove cinnamon to test?
[18:33] <alkisg> You could do a quick test with sudo apt install openbox
[18:33] <alkisg> It's very very light with minimal dependencies
[18:34] <alkisg> You can select it in the lightdm login screen
[18:34] <alkisg> You can also check `dmesg` for any weird errors
[18:35] <minist3r> ok thank you i'll try that
[18:36] <minist3r> failed to start Armbian ZRAM Config
[18:37] <alkisg> That shouldn't affect anything until you open many programs
[18:37] <minist3r> can i send the whole output in here
[18:38] <alkisg> !paste
[18:38] <alkisg> Or: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:38] <minist3r> whats that
[18:38] <alkisg> Auto uploads to a pastebin called termbin.com
[18:39] <jhutchins> vqueiroz: It's probably a good idea to search for your model + linux, see what other people have installed successfully.
[18:40] <jhutchins> vqueiroz: Ubuntu's pretty broadly compatible, but there's no guarantee it's going to support everything.
[18:40] <minist3r> https://termbin.com/cqq3
[18:45] <minist3r> jhutchins do you see anything weird in here https://termbin.com/cqq3
[18:49] <jhutchins> minist3r: Not without comparing it to a successful clean boot.  Unfortunately some subsystems are designed to fail benignly if they're not supported
[18:50] <jhutchins> So you get "failed" when that's an expected result.
[18:50] <jhutchins> I try to discourage coders from doing that, but no matter how many fingers I break they keep at it.
[18:51] <minist3r> lol
[18:54] <minist3r> I'm trying openbox now
[18:56] <minist3r> If I use openbox should I uninstall the other gui's to test?
[18:57] <jhutchins> minist3r: Theoretically you can have as many GUI desktops as you want.
[18:58] <jhutchins> minist3r: You might consider getting everything working at the console-only level, then move on to graphics.
[18:59] <minist3r> openbox freezes at black screen logging in
[19:00] <minist3r> ya I think i just need to reinstall it worked great with cinnamon gui when I first installed
[19:11] <webchat45> Hi, I used a backup to restore some data and now some programs do not open (only GUI)
[19:12] <webchat45> for example I click on timeshift and nothing hapens
[19:12] <webchat45> but if I try to do something with timeshift in CLI it works
[19:13] <jhutchins> minist3r: Actually, the correct answer for this channel is to install a real Ubuntu image, then troubleshoot any specific problems you have with that.
[19:13] <webchat45> How can I do that ?
[19:13] <webchat45> I am pretty new to linux
[19:13] <jhutchins> minist3r: Working with an "off-brand", obsolete image really isn't a fair test, and may waste time solving problems that the newer release has already fixed.
[19:14] <webchat45> I restored from a timeshift backup done 2-3 weeks ago
[19:14] <jhutchins> webchat45: It's probably a permissions/ownership issue.  I know that's vague, but so is your question.
[19:15] <webchat45> OK let's start from somewhere
[19:15] <webchat45> How can I fix this ?
[19:15] <jhutchins> webchat45: It might help to show _exactly_ what you restored, and what changes you have made since the backup.
[19:15] <webchat45> how?
[19:15] <jhutchins> webchat45: Fix what?
[19:15] <webchat45> I want to upgrade to the latest version of ubuntu
[19:16] <webchat45> 22.04 LTS
[19:16] <minist3r> I dont think there are any other ubuntu distros that work with rockpro64
[19:16] <webchat45> Would you please help me do that ?
[19:16] <webchat45> I can not upgrade using the GUI because of the problem I told you about
[19:17] <webchat45> Can you help me upgrade to 22.04 LTS using CLI ?
[19:19] <jhutchins> !upgrade
[19:20] <jhutchins> webchat45: A text-based upgrade should be possible, but it probably won't fix the GUI problems.
[19:20] <jhutchins> webchat45: One thing to try would be to create a new user and see if the GUI apps work for that user.
[19:21] <jhutchins> webchat45: Have you tried apt update && apt upgrade?
[19:21] <webchat45> Have you tried apt update && apt upgrade? will try now
[19:22] <jhutchins> webchat45: You'll need sudo.
[19:22] <webchat45> yup
[19:23] <webchat45> All packages are up to date.
[19:23] <webchat45> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:23] <jhutchins> minist3r: Does the distro you have offer any kind of support?
[19:23] <kzootech> lotuspsychje: even with installing the driver in 20.04 (had to go back to kernel 5.4.0-54) i still have the same issue
[19:24] <webchat45> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
[19:24] <webchat45> i did with sudo
[19:24] <jhutchins> webchat45: IF you're using sudo, that probably means there's an active or failed apt/dpkg function already running, possibly from the GUI.
[19:25] <webchat45> probably havent restarted since I clicked upgrade in the GUI
[19:26] <jhutchins> webchat45: This is more thorough than we can be here: https://itsfoss.com/could-not-get-lock-error/
[19:26] <jhutchins> webchat45: Ah, well, see if you can find and finish that process.
[19:27] <minist3r> How do u switch to an older kernel
[19:28] <jhutchins> minist3r: Install it and add it to grub.
[19:29] <jhutchins> minist3r: _I_ switch by picking it from the boot menu.
[19:33] <webchat45> jhutchins: thanks
[19:33] <wantom> i think ubuntu is better than all the rest
[19:33] <wantom> debian and manjaro run mad slow
[19:34] <wantom> #termux
[19:35] <wpn942> hello
[19:36] <wpn942> i installed ubuntu on my phone with andronix app
[19:37] <wpn942> i connect to it with vnc
[19:37] <wpn942> but it have xfce presinstalled
[19:37] <wpn942> i wanna to switch to gnome
[19:38] <wpn942> and I sucessfully installed gnome-desktop
[19:39] <wpn942> but I dont know how to switch to gnome
[19:39] <wpn942> not to mention to make it default
[19:39] <wpn942> google told me to pick it while booting
[19:39] <wpn942> but its not a case
[19:42] <wpn942> because I loggin to it via vnc, and start it with ./run-ubuntu20.sh (provided by andronix(
[19:42] <wpn942> ideas?
[19:42] <wantom> its kind of wack andronix
[19:42] <wantom> just to play with on your phone
[19:42] <wantom> better on a pc or mac
[19:42] <wpn942> im in hospital
[19:43] <wpn942> mental one
[19:43] <wpn942> i wont get laptop to soon
[19:43] <minist3r> I dont have a boot menu on arm
[19:45] <wpn942> yeah but linux is still a kernel used by android
[19:46] <wpn942> it works but im not a xfce fan
[19:46] <wpn942> and gnome seems to be best for touch screen
[19:46] <wpn942> im gonna try tomorrow
[19:57] <webchat45> Hi again, https://itsfoss.com/could-not-get-lock-error/ has 3 ways of fixing my problem, I tried 2 but the third one is to remove some files
[19:58] <webchat45> I am not sure I should do that. They seem important
[19:59] <webchat45> jhutchins: are you there ?
[20:00] <oerheks> that is a warning, that other updates are pending.
[20:00] <oerheks> just run the update icon.
[20:02] <webchat45> oerheks: are you talking to me ?
[20:02] <oerheks> yes webchat45
[20:02] <webchat45> my GUI doesnt work
[20:02] <webchat45> I can not just click upgrade
[20:03] <oerheks> *if* you want to force to remove that lock; sudo fuser -vvv /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[20:03] <oerheks> then run update and upgrade again
[20:03] <enigma9o7[m]> they're not important.
[20:03] <enigma9o7[m]> they, it.
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> assuming you rebooted in the middle of something
[20:04] <enigma9o7[m]> otherwise, theyll remove themselves
[20:04] <webchat45> All packages are up to date.
[20:04] <webchat45> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:04] <webchat45> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
[20:04] <oerheks> well, something is waiting for an update.
[20:04] <tomreyn> or you're not root
[20:05] <oerheks> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:05] <webchat45> ps aux | grep -i apt
[20:05] <webchat45> root        1410  0.0  0.0 128800  9292 ?        Ssl  22:44   0:00 /usr/sbin/thermald --systemd --dbus-enable --adaptive
[20:05] <webchat45> user        9150  0.0  0.0  11572  2600 pts/0    S+   22:52   0:00 grep --color=auto -i apt
[20:05] <tomreyn> webchat45: did you run apt using   sudo?
[20:05] <webchat45> yes with sudo
[20:06] <enigma9o7[m]> ok that's okay
[20:06] <tomreyn> do you have any GUI apps for package management open currently?
[20:06] <webchat45> tomreyn: no
[20:06] <webchat45> I did: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:07] <webchat45> still doesnt let me upgrade
[20:07] <tomreyn> right, because that's not the lock the error was about
[20:07] <webchat45> ok so what do we do now ?
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> hav eyou tried turning it off and on again?
[20:08] <webchat45> turning what on and off ?
[20:08] <tomreyn> you can run    sudo fuser -vvv /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> the computer
[20:08] <enigma9o7[m]> you can leave the moniitor on
[20:08] <webchat45> enigma9o7[m]: yes I rebooted
[20:08] <webchat45> same error after taht
[20:09] <webchat45> sudo fuser -vvv /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend doesnt chenge thing either
[20:09] <webchat45> still same error
[20:09] <webchat45> I set up ubuntu so it updates automatically
[20:09] <webchat45> maybe this is preventing me from upgrading
[20:09] <webchat45> but why cant I start Timeshift in GUI then ?
[20:10] <oerheks> but you have no gui ..?
[20:10] <tomreyn> webchat45: the command     sudo fuser -vvv /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend     is supposed to return the process ID of the process having a lock on the file, if any
[20:10] <webchat45> oh ok
[20:11] <tomreyn> if it returned empty, then you can safely    sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[20:11] <webchat45> I did sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[20:11] <webchat45> and still E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:12] <webchat45> after I sudo apt update && apt upgrade
[20:12] <webchat45> I still get the error:
[20:12] <webchat45> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:12] <tomreyn> that's because you need to    sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[20:13] <tomreyn> i.e. both of the chained commands need to be run through sudo
[20:13] <webchat45> done
[20:13] <webchat45> no errors
[20:13] <webchat45> up to date now
[20:13] <tomreyn> so this was probably the actual issue
[20:13] <webchat45> how do I upgrade from the CLI ?
[20:13] <tomreyn> !update
[20:14] <tomreyn> ignore this
[20:14] <webchat45> to version 22.04LTS from the CLLI ?
[20:14] <tomreyn> !ltsupgrade
[20:14] <tomreyn> see what ubottu tells you
[20:14] <tomreyn> but first of all, you should    sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:15] <webchat45> sudo apt full-upgrade does nothing
[20:15] <webchat45> I mean doesnt update anything
[20:15] <tomreyn> good
[20:16] <tomreyn> you're already up to date
[20:16] <webchat45> 5.13.0-52-generic #59~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 16 21:21:28 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:16] <webchat45> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[20:16] <webchat45> Upgrades to the development release are only
[20:16] <webchat45> available from the latest supported release.
[20:17] <webchat45> I get this after i do : sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[20:17] <oerheks> = 22.04
[20:17] <webchat45> ???
[20:18] <oerheks> else wait a few months to 22.04.1
[20:18] <webchat45> ok so I stay with this version then
[20:18] <webchat45> but how come I can not run TImeshift ?
[20:19] <webchat45> can you help me fix that ?
[20:19] <jhutchins> !info timeshift
[20:20] <webchat45> someone said it might be a permission issue
[20:20] <jhutchins> webchat45: Did you try launching it as a different user?
[20:21] <jhutchins> webchat45: Is there a .timeshift directory in your /home/<user>?  (ls -a)
[20:21] <webchat45> how can I do that ?
[20:21] <jhutchins> webchat45: Add a new user.
[20:23] <webchat45> I can not
[20:23] <webchat45> users is locked
[20:23] <webchat45> and when I click unlock nothing hapens
[20:23] <webchat45> this is some kind of bug in the gui
[20:23] <webchat45> it seems to me
[20:24] <jhutchins> webchat45: I think you said that you can launch timeshift from the command line?
[20:24] <webchat45> yes
[20:25] <webchat45> everything works the command line
[20:25] <jhutchins> :21 < jhutchins> webchat45: Is there a .timeshift directory in your /home/<user>?  (ls -a)
[20:25] <webchat45> oh sorry. checking..
[20:26] <webchat45> no
[20:26] <webchat45> no .timeshift dir
[20:26] <jhutchins> webchat45: Confirm that you see other .<something> directories.
[20:27] <webchat45> yes I do
[20:27] <jhutchins> Hm.
[20:27] <webchat45> set nsutilus to show hidden files
[20:27] <jhutchins> I guess that works too.
[20:28] <jhutchins> webchat45: When you run it from the command line, you're using a terminal inside the (gnome) GUI, right?
[20:28] <webchat45> yes, sir
[20:28] <jhutchins> webchat45: No errors on the CLI?
[20:29] <webchat45> nope
[20:29] <webchat45> maybe when I restored from backup timeshift removed the .timeshift dir ?
[20:29] <webchat45> :D
[20:30] <jhutchins> Timeshift seems to have outsmarted us then.  I'd start doing some web searches for something like "timeshift gui won't start".
[20:30] <webchat45> found something saying run: timeshift-gtk
[20:31] <webchat45> it says : admin access required
[20:31] <webchat45> should I sudo timeshift-gtk ?
[20:35] <webchat45> I did
[20:35] <webchat45> and it opes it
[20:35] <webchat45> so maybe it is a user permissions thing after all
[20:43] <murmel> kzootech: just wanted to point out, that amd released an amdgpu pro driver for 22.04, which is for now outside the official repos, but maybe you could get it running with that?
[20:47] <kzootech> murmel: where can i find such a thing? i havent seen a 22.04 driver
[20:52] <tomreyn> webchat45: it's probably related to running on wayland https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift/issues/41
[20:52] <tomreyn> also https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift/issues/35
[20:54] <tomreyn> hmm, although this should be fixed in ubuntu 20.04's timeshift 20.03 version, so i'm not sure.
[20:54] <murmel> kzootech: https://repo.radeon.com/amdgpu-install/22.20/ubuntu/jammy/
[20:55] <tomreyn> i would not recommend this driver
[20:55] <kzootech> no?
[20:56] <kzootech> it cant really be any worse than not working at all?
[20:56] <tomreyn> what's the issue you're trying to solve?
[20:56] <kzootech> my radeon pro wx4100 will not work at all without nomodeset
[20:56] <tomreyn> oh, radeon pro, maybe then you actually need it, sorry.
[20:57] <kzootech> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245260 basically the same issue this arch user was having
[20:57] <kzootech> which they couldnt resolve
[20:57] <kzootech> this also happens on fedora's live cd, and debian's live cd without nomodeset
[20:57] <tomreyn> did you update firmware, yet?
[20:58] <tomreyn> are there error messgaes in your log when you try to run it with amdgpu?
[20:58] <kzootech> well i switched to 20.04, tried installing that driver, had to move the kernel to 5.4.0-54 to install, that didnt help
[20:59] <kzootech> i tried putting my monitors edid into initramfs and using drm.edid_firmware=...
[20:59] <tomreyn> wx4100 is two years old, right?
[20:59] <minist3r> What driver are u having issues with?
[20:59] <kzootech> uh, this one is older than that
[20:59] <kzootech> like 5?
[20:59] <kzootech> i bought it used
[20:59] <kzootech> but ive had it a while
[21:00] <kzootech> works fine in win 10
[21:00] <tomreyn> Launch Date: July 2016
[21:00] <kzootech> yeah thats more like it
[21:00] <tomreyn> so i doubt it's a matter of how new the driver or firmware is
[21:01] <tomreyn> could it be broken hardware?
[21:01] <kzootech> in that arch forum post it seems like they can solve it by using display port to dvi adpaters
[21:01] <kzootech> which seems like silliness
[21:01] <kzootech> and i dont have those to test
[21:01] <kzootech> its definately to do with kernel modeseting
[21:02] <kzootech> the hardware works fine in this computer with non-linux os
[21:02] <kzootech> i thought i was going to have the answer with adding my edid dump to the firmware actually
[21:03] <tomreyn> i see. that would make a good bug report against linux, i guess, at least if the amdgpu module lists this hardware as supported
[21:03] <kzootech> i still might try that with 22.20 live
[21:04] <kzootech> its more as if the gpu and monitors arent happy with each other or something
[21:04] <kzootech> because they turn on like they are abought to display a signal, then say no signal, then turn back on again, then say no signal again, etc
[21:06] <murmel> kzootech: hm scraping the internet, told me that that gpu should be supported since 4.7 :/
[21:06] <murmel> kernel version*
[21:08] <kzootech> *22.04
[21:11] <minist3r> I just got asked to upgrade to ubuntu 21.01 hopefully that fixes all my issues
[21:12] <kzootech> upgrading upgrades your issues :)
[21:12] <murmel> minist3r: are you sure with 21.01?
[21:12] <murmel> as there is no release called 21.01
[21:12] <minist3r> thats what it said
[21:13] <minist3r> I did subscribe to untested updates
[21:15] <tomreyn> kzootech: summarizing the above: get error logs, file bugs against ubuntu, linux and amd.
[21:15] <tomreyn> that's if the error messgaes don't already hint on how to solve it
[21:18] <enigma9o7[m]> minist3r, like it was suggesting 21.10; there was no january 2021 release.
[21:18] <minist3r> ya let me double check what version im on now after upgrading to verify
[21:22] <webchat45> Hi I also need help fixing one more problem
[21:22] <webchat45> I have a swap partition but am not using it
[21:23] <webchat45> when I reboot :  a start job is running for partition 98(#&y387r3987^R*&#^(*&^R and it count 1min 30 secs
[21:23] <enigma9o7[m]> That's good.
[21:23] <enigma9o7[m]> I also try to avoid using swap.
[21:23] <enigma9o7[m]> Keeps things snappy.
[21:23] <webchat45> I have 64gb ram I run 10vms and its still ok with out swap
[21:23] <webchat45> but still
[21:24] <webchat45> can you help me fix it ?
[21:24] <enigma9o7[m]> maybe stop rebooting and you wont notice it
[21:24] <webchat45> hehe
[21:24] <enigma9o7[m]> But yeah I dunno.  I've never seen that happen on a start job other than in virtual machines sometime sit says that about vboxadd.service
[21:25] <enigma9o7[m]> doesnt it tell you what service is taking forever to start?
[21:25] <webchat45> nono I know what the problem is
[21:25] <webchat45> You just have to help me figure out what to change in fstab
[21:25] <webchat45> tahts all
[21:25] <enigma9o7[m]> ah someone here is probably good at fstab, not my forté
[21:25] <webchat45> it thinks some nonexisting partititon ID is my swap so it tires to mount it
[21:26] <webchat45> if I can just find out what the swap part name is and replace it in fstab if will fix the problem
[21:26] <webchat45> can you help me do it ?
[21:26] <murmel> blkid /dev/sdx
[21:27] <webchat45> ?
[21:27] <webchat45> nothing hapens
[21:28] <murmel> yeah well you need to fill in the swap partition in that command
[21:28] <murmel> (and as root)
[21:29] <webchat45> # swap was on /dev/nvme0n1p6 during installation
[21:29] <webchat45> UUID=6132f14c-d619-41ea-acdd-4474b050b0f5 none            swap    sw              0       0
[21:30] <murmel> yes? verify that it's still the same uuid
[21:30] <webchat45> I think I have the replace the UUID with the proper one
[21:32] <minist3r> How can I check what kernel I'm using via terminal
[21:33] <murmel> minist3r: uname -r
[21:33] <Bashing-om> minist3r: ' uname -r ' .
[21:36] <webchat45> my main problem is that a lot of programs dont run in GUI but if I run them as root all works
[21:37] <webchat45> like Timeshift wont open if I click its icon but if I "timeshift-gtk" fro cli it opens
[21:37] <webchat45> same with gparted
[21:37] <webchat45> if I "sudo gparted" it opens
[21:37] <webchat45> if I just "gparted" nothing hapens
[21:37] <webchat45> how can I fix this problem in general ?
[21:38] <enigma9o7[m]> you should `pkexec gparted`
[21:38] <enigma9o7[m]> One way to fix it would be to edit the gparted desktop file and force pkexec
[21:38] <enigma9o7[m]> cp the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications to .local/share/applications and edit the Exec= line
[21:39] <enigma9o7[m]> pkexec uses policykit to get root access, its the way we're supposed to elevate permission for gui apps
[21:40] <enigma9o7[m]> you shouldn't sudo gui apps cuz it can mess up permissions and ownership on stuff
[21:40] <murmel> enigma9o7[m]: now i am astonished that ubuntu doesn't do this by default
[21:40] <webchat45> sudoing is the only to open them at this point
[21:42] <webchat45> will "cp the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications to .local/share/applications and edit the Exec= line" fix everything or just gparted and I have to do it for every other program manually like that ?
[21:43] <enigma9o7[m]> Well I was suggesting how to fix it for gparted only.  You could do that for any other GUI app you need root for that isnt behaving, but there shouldn't be too many of those....
[21:43] <murmel> webchat45: if you go that route, you would need to fix it for every program
[21:43] <enigma9o7[m]> synaptic maybe?
[21:43] <webchat45> damn
[21:43] <enigma9o7[m]> most GUI apps dont need root....
[21:43] <webchat45> tahta sux
[21:43] <webchat45> no but nothing opens
[21:44] <webchat45> there is some problem with my user
[21:44] <webchat45> isnt this something in groups ?
[21:44] <webchat45> cant i just checkmar some stuff from the gui ?
[21:44] <enigma9o7[m]> If its fubar, you could createa  new user and login as them, forget your old user.
[21:44] <enigma9o7[m]> just set all the same groups as the default user
[21:45] <webchat45> ok lets try this
[21:46] <murmel> webchat45: it's very unlikely that your groups are messed up
[21:46] <webchat45> how do I create a new user from the CLI ?
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> sudo adduser
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> but it'll start without all the groups you need for usb and sound and whatever, so copy the groups from the default user
[21:47] <webchat45> ok o k
[21:47] <webchat45> let me make the user first
[21:47] <webchat45> so "adduser username pass /ADD ?
[21:48] <webchat45> so "adduser username pass /ADD" ?
[21:48] <murmel> webchat45: when you do 'sudo adduser --add_extra_groups <user> you add automatically the standard groups
[21:49] <murmel> you would only need to add sudo after that
[21:49] <enigma9o7[m]> ah cool switch
[21:49] <murmel> enigma9o7[m]: you can make it as default in /etc/adduser.conf
[21:50] <webchat45> where do I enter the new username and pass here ? -> 'sudo adduser --add_extra_groups <user>" ?
[21:50] <murmel> but I still wonder why a new user
[21:50] <murmel> when you enter there is a questionaire
[21:50] <webchat45> just to test if it will work
[21:51] <webchat45> ok
[21:51] <webchat45> so I entere teh command just like that : sudo adduser --add_extra_groups <user> ?
[21:52] <murmel> webchat45: you need to give your user a real user name not <user>
[21:52] <murmel> name it bla or test or whatever
[21:52] <webchat45> but you said I enter the username in the questionaire that comes after the command is entered
[21:53] <murmel> yes for password etc
[21:53] <enigma9o7[m]> Or use a decent name incase you deicde to use it permanently cuz its easier than fixing your original user....
[21:53] <webchat45> yes descent name
[21:54] <minist3r> My issue did end up being Video drivers
[21:54] <webchat45> sudo adduser --add_extra_groups admin
[21:55] <minist3r> just poped up saying I dont have a videodriver
[21:55] <webchat45> I will use admin as username
[21:55] <webchat45> let me try this
[21:55] <webchat45> brb
[21:55] <enigma9o7[m]> weet that works
[21:55] <enigma9o7[m]> then you still have to make it a sudoer
[21:55] <enigma9o7[m]> then it'll be good to go
[21:56] <webchat45> ok
[21:56] <webchat45> user created
[21:56] <webchat45> some stuff happened
[21:57] <webchat45> now how do I add him to sudoers
[21:58] <murmel> webchat45: sudo adduser <user> sudo
[21:59] <webchat45> done
[22:00] <murmel> log out and into the new account and verify that it works, or not
[22:00] <murmel> interestingly gparted itself (desktop file) doesn't call any sudo/pkexec/whatever to get root access, so no idea whats going on
[22:02] <webchat45> yeah
[22:02] <webchat45> it didnt work
[22:02] <webchat45> new user can't start gparted
[22:02] <webchat45> timeshift
[22:03] <webchat45> or click upgrade
[22:03] <webchat45> nothing hapens
[22:03] <webchat45> how do I remove the user ?
[22:03] <murmel> what do you mean by upgrade?
[22:03] <webchat45> upgrade to newer version of ubuntu
[22:03] <murmel> sudo userdel <user> and then rm -r /home/<user>
[22:06] <webchat45> ok all deleted
[22:06] <webchat45> so I am screwed
[22:06] <webchat45> All I can do at this point is move all my stuff to another drive
[22:06] <webchat45> and reinstall ubuntu
[22:07] <murmel> webchat45: what happens when you type 'gparted | nc termbin.com 9999' (give us the link)
[22:07] <webchat45> gparted | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:07] <webchat45> pkexec: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.33' not found (required by pkexec)
[22:09] <murmel> webchat45: ahm, that's bad
[22:10] <murmel> your install seems to be really wonky, so it's easier to just reinstall, other than trying to figure out what you did
[22:12] <webchat45> it would be easyer to reinstall if I didnt have 10 vms and a bunch of other stuff installed
[22:12] <webchat45> actually more like 20
[22:12] <webchat45> cause I have qemu vms as well
[22:13] <raczka> webchat45: are you bragging or complaining?
[22:13] <webchat45> lol
[22:13] <murmel> webchat45: I mean the bigger question is, what did you do, to get to this point
[22:13] <raczka> ^ _ -
[22:13] <webchat45> I backed up using timeshift
[22:13] <webchat45> and then I restored
[22:14] <webchat45> that's all
[22:14] <webchat45> and after restored most things in GUI won't open
[22:14] <murmel> webchat45: from an eol release?
[22:14] <webchat45> no from like 2 weeks ago
[22:16] <webchat45> I just dont' understand how this broke things
[22:17] <cbreak> webchat45: can't you reinstall without affecting your VMs?
[22:18] <cbreak> I have all docker stuff, all virtual machine images and all lxc containers on separate zfs datasets
[22:18] <webchat45> vms are in /home/user/ dir
[22:18] <webchat45> some of them
[22:18] <murmel> cbreak: I can't remember where the xml files are being kept, otherwise I would say it's easy to backup
[22:23] <webchat45> I will just probably reinstall
[22:23] <webchat45> hope it woks
[22:23] <webchat45> c ya
[22:25] <cbreak> I spent way too much time last week setting up my new computer at work
[22:25] <cbreak> installing kubuntu the hard way :)
[22:26] <cbreak> but now I have zfs boot via zbm, so I can easily and quickly clone, rollback my OS before booting
[22:26] <cbreak> independently from VMs / Userdata
[22:27] <cbreak> I've set up my computer here at home the same way by modifying the original install. It was quite tricky, but worked. Was able to fork the system before upgrading to 22.04
[22:28] <cbreak> I can only recommend such a setup to people that know how to set it up though... it's not trivial :(
[22:32] <kzootech> murmel: tomreyn i have made some progress booting ubuntu 22.04 with video=1680x1050@60m shows me boot text on both screens (with quiet and splash disabled) up until systemd-networkd
[22:32] <kzootech> so now i think its just X/wayland/whatever having the issue
[22:35] <kzootech> i can make it to a terminal without nomodeset now, it looks like X detected the monitors fine
[22:36] <murmel> kzootech: does the gpu get claimed? I assume so, but make sure it's the correct driver
[22:37] <kzootech> xorg is talking of amdgpu
[22:37] <kzootech> detected the monitors by name, etc
[22:37] <murmel> kzootech: sounds good
[22:38] <kzootech> its progress
[22:38] <murmel> definitely


[10:29] <ronnoc> Happy Holidays to a well-deserving Dev team! Enjoy some peace, quiet, and eggnog. Rum is optional, but reccomended.
[11:04] <Riddell> thanks ronnoc :)
[11:26] <ronnoc> Riddell: You're welcome :)
[11:27] <ronnoc> I see someone already packaged KTorrent 4.3.0 to Raring Proposed. I'm still going to practice packaging over the weekend and will ping you if (when) I get stuck.
[11:27] <ronnoc> After Christmas, of course. There is family to see and strange things to be eaten, etc!
[11:32] <Riddell> eat well, I think I'll go for a christmas canoe
[14:30] <Darkwing> Happy Holidays Kubuntu
[15:13] <Tm_T> dear kubuntu council, I would love to have fingerprint and qr code in those business cards, one way or another
[15:13] <Darkwing> Tm_T: You and me both.
[15:13] <Darkwing> I think I'll build an "Unofficial" one with GPG and QR.
[15:14] <Darkwing> If the one provided doesn't have one.
[16:07] <Quintasan> hurrr
[16:07] <Quintasan> how do I stop eating cake?
[16:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: halp
[16:34] <Tm_T> Quintasan: why would you?
[17:12] <Quintasan> Tm_T: You think the best course of action would be to eat more?
[17:31] <yofel> Quintasan: you keep staring intensly at the cake until you loose interest in eating it (assuming the cake survives long enough...)
[17:31] <Quintasan> That doesn't work.
[17:32] <Quintasan> I already tried.
[17:32] <yofel> bummer
[18:07] <freinhard> hi!
[18:22] <Quintasan> freinhard: sup
[18:27] <freinhard> i was wondering why libreoffice got the default program for the mimetype text, should be kate or any other texteditor, not a word processing program
[18:34] <freinhard> what is the default package installation program for ubuntu (no k!) packagekit?
[18:35] <maco> ubuntu doesnt use packagekit
[18:35] <freinhard> so kubuntu has muon and qapt, and ubuntu? gapt?
[18:35] <maco> ubuntu has ubuntu software center
[18:35] <maco> which uses libapt directly
[18:36] <maco> also update-manager for the updates
[18:36] <freinhard> nothing like qapt-batch?
[18:36] <maco> used to include synaptic by default as well, for advanced actions, but not anymore
[18:36] <maco> i dont know what that is
[18:37] <freinhard> qapt-batch lets you trigger the installation of packages but still have a GUI that displays password requests, progress etc
[18:38] <maco> oh
[18:38] <maco> gdebi?
[18:39] <freinhard> i guess that would be qapt-deb-installer
[19:16] <yofel> maco: actually, ubuntu software center uses aptdaemon
[19:16] <maco> oh. i didnt even know that existed
[19:16] <maco> i guess its update-manager that uses libapt
[19:18] <Quintasan> freinhard: JontheEchidna is maintaining that magic
[21:07] <ronnoc> Uh oh. Installing VLC on Raring tries to uninstall plasma-widget-telepathy-presence
[21:08] <yofel> can you pastebin the apt output? I have both installed here
[21:08] <ronnoc> yofel: I had the telepathy daily builds ppa installed. let me remove that first to see if the issue resoves itself.
[21:09] <ronnoc> *resolves
[23:17] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: Darkwing mine has space for QR code and a GPG key :P
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: eat more cake
[23:19] <shadeslayer> I don't particularly like cakes, unless it's a chocolate Cake
[23:32] <micahg> mmmmmmm......Chocolate cake
[23:33] <micahg> shadeslayer: did anyone take care of transmission-qt or you still need a sponsor?
[23:33] <shadeslayer> needs a sponsor
[23:33] <micahg> ok, it's 3rd on my list of sponsoring to do
[23:34] <shadeslayer> I didn't bump on the bug because I figured everyone is probably spending time away from the computer this week :P
[23:34] <micahg> I'm just trying to take care of some other things right now :)
[23:36] <shadeslayer> np