[12:01] <Matt|> Mark1, most use gnome i think
[12:01] <hjkl> NewComer: check out zidrav.
[12:01] <hjkl> s0cks:you should start some type of anti the wrong use of the word "hack" society, start with writing to all major news networks
[12:02] <Matt|> such a societ probably already exists
[12:02] <s0cks> lol. It's just stupid really.
[12:02] <IchaBOB> anyone see anything wrong with my fstab?
[12:02] <NewComer> hjkl, excuse me
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: i've written you before, and you tend to know wayyyy too much about linux
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: i was wondering if i should install a firewall for ubuntu
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: because i recall reading that you apparently dont need to install one at all
[12:03] <Matt|> Mark1, test yourself out on a website
[12:04] <Mark1> Matt|: already did, and it looked ok
[12:04] <Mark1> i.e. no one could see my computer
[12:04] <Matt|> https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[12:04] <Matt|> Mark1, then you're fine :)
[12:04] <diesel> does ubuntu not have the ifconfig command
[12:04] <JLS> hey
[12:04] <Matt|> diesel, yup
[12:04] <JLS> im looking for some Gnoppix support
[12:05] <Matt|> JLS, not really the right place :))
[12:05] <diesel> Matt|, yup it has it or no it does not have it
[12:05] <JLS> I burnt the ISO to cd, put it in my drive, it starts to load, then the screen just goes black and stays black
[12:05] <Matt|> diesel, it does
[12:05] <JLS> any ideas?
[12:05] <diesel> Matt|, whereis ifconfig returns command not found
[12:05] <Matt|> diesel, weird. Have you tried /sbin/ifconfig?
[12:06] <Mark1> Matt|: i clicked on the link and of course there is a "computer name" but that's about it.  should i be worried
[12:06] <Matt|> Mark1, nope
[12:06] <JLS> can anyone help me?
[12:06] <Matt|> JLS, you could try burning the cd slower maybe. Not sure
[12:07] <Mark1> matt: thanks, just double checking..
[12:07] <JLS> the cd's fine
[12:07] <Mark1> Matt: do you use GNOME or KDE?
[12:07] <RuffianSoldier> sillly
[12:07] <Matt|> JLS, i've heard some issues with the cd when burned faster than 4x
[12:07] <Matt|> Mark1, gnome
[12:07] <Gmail> natulias is b0rken
[12:07] <Mark1> matt: thanks, i was considering moving to kde
[12:08] <JLS> im using TDK 48x expensive CD-R cds
[12:08] <diesel> Matt|, no such file or directory
[12:08] <Matt|> JLS, it's not the cds, i think it is a bug with the iso
[12:08] <Matt|> diesel, what have you done to your system?
[12:09] <ubuntu-geek> so the link to the forums is spam? :)
[12:10] <Matt|> i thought the topic is op only
[12:11] <ubuntu-geek> yeah me to.. .. shrug.. i guess the forums are considered spam to him..
[12:11] <Matt|> weird
[12:11] <Matt|> Gmail, you don't like the forums?
[12:12] <JLS> ive got it working
[12:12] <JLS> I did an advanced boot
[12:12] <Johansson> hi
[12:12] <Matt|> JLS, cool what was wrong
[12:12] <Matt|> hi joh
[12:12] <Matt|> hi Johansson
[12:12] <SeFoKumA> ekete
[12:13] <JLS> no idea
[12:13] <JLS> I just went to the boot menu
[12:13] <Matt|> i didn't know gnoppix was based on ubuntu
[12:13] <JLS> during the splash screen
[12:13] <JLS> and selected advanced boot
[12:13] <JLS> and it worked
[12:13] <Gmail> Matt|: i am not alking about the forums i was talking about the "also #triathlon" part
[12:13] <Matt|> Gmail, ok
[12:13] <diesel> Matt|, this is not on my machine, my sisters.  How do I invoke a remote desktop session?
[12:13] <JLS> this thing looks like such a rip of osx.. couldnt they think of something original lol
[12:14] <Matt|> Gmail, isn't the topic only accessible to ops?
[12:14] <ubuntu-geek> guess not :)
[12:14] <Johansson> i wanna make a little suggestion, should i say it here, or in some forum or email address?
[12:15] <Johansson> it's about firefox in ubuntu
[12:15] <Hikaru79> You should probably post it on the Wiki
[12:15] <Hikaru79> But say it here anyway, we're curious =)
[12:15] <Pluk> :) indeed
[12:15] <Matt|> yep
[12:16] <Johansson> i'm gonna post it on the wiki
[12:16] <JLS> I can open all the programs, but none of the open office ones work
[12:16] <JLS> any ideas?
[12:16] <Johansson> it's just that would be great if firefox comes with the gnome theme
[12:16] <Johansson> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/
[12:16] <Johansson> it blends perfectly with gnome
[12:17] <Pluk> lol: As a convenience, for the unlucky people that use or have to use Windoze, here are the GNOME-Fx themes for Windows to get you at least a bit of the GNOME look.
[12:17] <ImmeR^> I have asked once, but I cannot find a solution.. I have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, but cannot make any mouse work. Not even my touchpad. Anyone have an idea for a solution?
[12:17] <Matt|> yeah that theme is good, but it is easy to add
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: you probably need to install the synaptics touchpad drivers
[12:18] <diesel> Anyone know how to invoke a remote desktop session?
[12:18] <ImmeR^> Where do I get those?
[12:18] <JLS> why cant I run the openoffice programs?
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: not to be confused with Synaptics, the front-end for apt... which is where you get them i think
[12:18] <Johansson> i don't know how difficult would be to ship firefox with a different default theme
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: i'll check, just a sec.
[12:18] <Matt|> JLS, not sure. Have you got plenty of ram?
[12:19] <Johansson> but the gnomefx theme is just perfect for a gnome-based distribution
[12:19] <Matt|> diesel, in the menu, choose, internet, and gnome-terminal-server or something
[12:19] <Pluk> its a little blurry used with small icons
[12:19] <JLS> 128 on the laptop im trying it on
[12:19] <Pluk> thats why they use the default i guess
[12:20] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: you need the package xfree86-driver-synaptics :-)
[12:20] <ImmeR^> okay.. could U help me installing it?
[12:21] <diesel> Does ubuntu have ssh installed?
[12:21] <Johansson> Pluk: yes, but it's great with normal icons
[12:21] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: sure, pm me when you have it downloaded :-)
[12:21] <Johansson> i don't use small icons
[12:21] <Hikaru79> Johansson, hey, you're right =) I just installed it, looks good!
[12:21] <Pluk> lemme try the simple version of it
[12:21] <PorscheBoy> does kde 3.3.1 support .svg icons?
[12:22] <Pluk> simple is blurry too :(, good thing i have my default icons :P
[12:23] <PorscheBoy> hey Pluk, does kde 3.3 support .svg icons?
[12:23] <JLS> I still cant get the office programs running.. any ideas for anything I could try?
[12:23] <Pluk> dunno PorscheBoy, im not familiar with kde
[12:24] <PorscheBoy> ok
[12:24] <Matt|> JLS, maybe not enough ram
[12:25] <Pluk> JLS, what if you  start oowriter from console?
[12:25] <Pluk> terminal i mean
[12:26] <s0cks> Back
[12:27] <JLS> if I type that in the terminal, I get cdrom activity
[12:27] <JLS> but nothing happens
[12:27] <Matt|> JLS, i think that 128 ram is a bit too little to run the live disk, AND openoffice together
[12:27] <stvn> w/w
[12:28] <Pluk> could take a very long time to load
[12:28] <Pluk> or infinite time :P
[12:28] <Matt|> i guess the live cd can't get swap space sorted
[12:28] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:29] <JLS> ok
[12:29] <JLS> well
[12:30] <JLS> i cant get on the internet
[12:30] <Matt|> JLS, how do you connect normally?
[12:30] <JLS> I can access my router config page, so I know the network is working
[12:30] <JLS> through a router
[12:30] <Debbie> hi all sorry to be a bother but I was referred to ubuntu by a friend. I am a newbie linux user and was told to partition my hard drive to put ubuntu on one part and keep windows on other. Will ubuntu do this automatically for me?
[12:30] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: Are U there?
[12:31] <JLS> but when I try to go on a normal website it says 'could not be found'..
[12:31] <Pluk> prolly a dns problem
[12:31] <hypa7ia> yup ImmeR^ :-)
[12:31] <Pluk> what does cat /ets/resolv.conf say?
[12:31] <Pluk> etc*
[12:31] <kapputu> hi everyone
[12:31] <kapputu> what's new with ubuntu
[12:31] <Pluk> hiya kapputu
[12:32] <ImmeR^> I dont know how to pm without having a mouse ;)
[12:32] <hypa7ia> Debbie: not exactly, you need to resize the windows partition first :-/
[12:32] <Debbie> is there someplace to go and readup on how to do this or a walkthrough or something
[12:33] <JLS> pluk - how do I find that
[12:33] <kapputu> firefox takes a lot of time to resolve ips
[12:33] <kapputu> especially if i just say domain_name.domain
[12:33] <kapputu> without the www
[12:34] <JLS> no
[12:34] <JLS> it just instantly says not found
[12:34] <JLS> for google.com
[12:34] <Matt|> JLS, can you ping it?
[12:34] <Matt|> ImmeR^, type /query nickname
[12:34] <JLS> how do you ping in this
[12:35] <Debbie> sorry lost page for minut
[12:35] <Matt|> JLS, open terminal, type ping google.com
[12:35] <JLS> unknown host google.com
[12:36] <Pluk> now try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:36] <Debbie> hypa7ia: where can i learn to do this with my hard drive please?
[12:37] <hypa7ia> Debbie: just a sec, i'll have a look :-)
[12:37] <JLS> that ping seems to be working
[12:37] <hypa7ia> Debbie: what version of windows?
[12:37] <Pluk> then its a dns problem
[12:37] <Matt|> JLS, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:37] <Debbie> hypa7ia: xp
[12:38] <JLS> what does that mean
[12:38] <JLS> how do I open that
[12:38] <Matt|> JLS, type "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[12:38] <JLS> well nothing happens
[12:39] <JLS> if I type that
[12:39] <JLS> in the termianl
[12:39] <JLS> terminal
[12:40] <Matt|> nothing at all?
[12:43] <hypa7ia> Debbie: do you know if it's NTFS or FAT32 by any chance?
[12:43] <Debbie> ntfs
[12:43] <Pluk> then indeed you cant resolv hostnames to ips cuz your computer  doesnt know the dns ips
[12:43] <JLS> why is that
[12:43] <Pluk> do you get ip throughh dhcp or static?
[12:43] <JLS> my ip address is static
[12:43] <kent> hypa7ia, Debbie, cant partition magic resize ntfs ?
[12:43] <hypa7ia> kent, Debbie yup, or QtParted
[12:43] <nevyn> do not use qtparted
[12:43] <Pluk> type "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf"
[12:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: what then?
[12:43] <nevyn> it's unsupported by the parted maintainer :(
[12:43] <Pluk> and add your providers dns servers
[12:43] <Pluk> mine says something like:
[12:43] <Pluk> search ipact.nl
[12:43] <Pluk> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:43] <Pluk> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:43] <Pluk> oh wait
[12:43] <Pluk> ubuntu
[12:43] <hypa7ia> Debbie: unfortunately, ubuntu can't resize ntfs partitions, so you're going to have to work around that..
[12:43] <Pluk> type sudo network-admin
[12:43] <Pluk> and in the dns tab add the dns server
[12:43] <Debbie> ut oh how do i do that? hypa7ia
[12:43] <JLS> ok
[12:43] <JLS> will try
[12:43] <Pluk> good luck :)
[12:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: any other suggestions for what Debbie can use to repartition?
[12:43] <JLS> thanks
[12:43] <Pluk> partition magic?
[12:44] <Matt|> can he edit his resolv.conf on a live cd?
[12:44] <Pluk> ah darn! forgot about the livecd
[12:44] <hypa7ia> Pluk: partition magick is rather non-free
[12:44] <Pluk> dunno bout a linux app for resizing ntfs
[12:44] <nevyn> hypa7ia: parted ntfsresize tho that's a bit scary.
[12:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html
[12:45] <nevyn> lots of things exist for re-sizing ntfs most of them are scary tho.
[12:45] <Debbie> better off just getting 2nd hard drive maybe?
[12:45] <Matt|> vfat partition for sharing
[12:45] <hypa7ia> Debbie: probably, or reinstlaling XP on a smaller partition
[12:45] <hypa7ia> Debbie: that's what i did
[12:46] <Debbie> so during reinstall how do iget in to mandate partition size?
[12:47] <hypa7ia> Debbie: when reinstalling, you get to the point where you have to choose a partition... delete the one that's there and make a smaller one, and just leave the rest of the space free
[12:47] <Debbie> then will ubuntu ask where to install after done with windows?
[12:48] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[12:49] <hypa7ia> and you just make partitions in the free space
[12:49] <wildcode> My ubuntu install was missing /etc/networks ... because it was missing, I was getting persistant dns failures (but not everytime the network went up), just thought someone would want to know so it can be fixed (in warthog release and what ever package upgrade effects it)
[12:49] <hypa7ia> how big is the drive Debbie?
[12:49] <Debbie> 120G
[12:49] <hypa7ia> ooh, nice :-)
[12:49] <ramzez> hi, anyone using laptops here and can help me perhaps?
[12:50] <Debbie> hehe
[12:50] <Debbie> so half and half i was thinking
[12:50] <hypa7ia> Debbie: make a 5-10 gig / partition, and a big /home
[12:50] <Matt|> erm you may need em early in the drive in order to boot
[12:50] <hypa7ia> that way if you hose something in the install or later on, you don't have to back up home
[12:51] <Debbie> lost me sorry
[12:51] <Matt|> make a big vfat partition you can share with both windows and ubuntu
[12:51] <Matt|> and put ubuntu and windows early in the drive
[12:52] <Debbie> how do I vfat the drive?
[12:52] <hypa7ia> Matt|: i'd think that grub can handle wherever Debbie puts the linux partition...
[12:52] <Matt|> really
[12:52] <hypa7ia> Debbie: when you make the partition with the windows installer, you can choose
[12:52] <Matt|> i thought it had to be in the first 8 GB or something
[12:52] <Pugio> hello
[12:52] <Debbie> whether vfat or ntfs?
[12:53] <Pugio> does anyone know when the Dist CD's will ship? I really want to try ubuntu but I can't DL:(
[12:53] <Matt|> Debbie, vfat is good because both linux and windows can read and write fine from it
[12:53] <wildcode> Matt|, I have ubuntu at the very last 20gig of the 80gig slave drive on ide0 and it works fine ... linux don't care about where it is, only windows does
[12:53] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, wildcode, older BIOSes have had such limits
[12:53] <Matt|> wildcode, oh cool thanks
[12:53] <Matt|> right
[12:53] <ramzez> so nobody runs it on laptop and can't help me?
[12:54] <Matt|> ramzez, i use a laptop what is the prob?
[12:54] (mjr/#ubuntu) ramzez, perhaps if you told us what the actual problem is
[12:54] <Debbie> ok just to make sure I have things straight... Rerun windows install and make the drive vfat and only give windows part of patition, then install ubuntu?
[12:54] <ramzez> sorry :-)
[12:55] <Matt|> no
[12:55] <Matt|> Debbie, nope hang on.
[12:55] <Debbie> ok sorry to be such a pain
[12:56] (mjr/#ubuntu) Debbie, you don't really want to use vfat for the install if you can avoid it;
[12:57] <Debbie> ugh
[12:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) rather make a third vfat partition for data files that you need to access read/write from both systems if you need it
[12:57] <Matt|> Debbie, you _could_ make 3 partitions. 1 - windows (ntfs) 2 - ubuntu (ext3) 3 - sharing space (vfat)
[12:57] <nevyn> 4...
[12:57] <nevyn> swap
[12:57] <ramzez> i run cpu freq monitor and running on batteries but the speed jumps from 132mhz to 1083, i have 800mhz cpu and was wondering how to check that power saving works?
[12:57] <Debbie> Let me put it this way am a newbie and need most user friendly was of trying this please :)
[12:57] <hypa7ia> ramzez: is your lappy a centrino?
[12:57] <hypa7ia> Debbie: i know the feeling, it's frustrating to have to go throught the reinstlal and all :-/
[12:57] <Matt|> ramzez, sounds like the chip is not compatible
[12:57] <ramzez> nope
[12:57] <ramzez> it is p3 coopermine
[12:57] <Hikaru79> What's that line that returns your kernel version again?
[12:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) (if I was Debbie, I'd try to resize with ntfsresize, but that's just me, and she'd probably have to get a boot disk with the software on it and it'd get nontrivial)
[12:57] <Matt|> ramzez, not supported by cpu_freq to my knowledge
[12:57] <Debbie> that odes not scare me I hard copy all the files I need anyhow. Just worried about once I start the procedure will have no way of getting online for help
[12:57] <Matt|> uname -a
[12:58] <ramzez> i c, so does bios settngs for power effect linux ?
[12:58] <Matt|> ramzez, nope but certain processors do not support speed stepping
[12:58] <hypa7ia> ramzez: yes.... you might need to install speedstep-coppermine i think
[12:59] <runixd> anyone had problems with retrieving pop mail with evolution?
[01:00] <hypa7ia> runixd: hoary or warty?
[01:00] <runixd> any
[01:00] <ramzez> is how can i find it?
[01:00] <runixd> have problems with both
[01:00] <jessta> can anyone give me an idea of the size of a default install of warty?
[01:00] <runixd> find what ramzez?
[01:01] <ramzez> i just installed cpufreq from synaptic it says in description it is speedstep applet clone
[01:01] <runixd> jessta, 2 gig should be enough
[01:01] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) 1.3gb
[01:01] <Pluk> jessta, i thought it was 1.2 gb
[01:02] <Matt|> runixd, works fine here
[01:02] <runixd> ramzez, why there is cpufreq applet in ports
[01:02] <farruinn> Does the install size vary for powerpc?  I installed just last week and am at 3.4 GB...
[01:02] <runixd> Matt|, thanx it worked for me also, getting I/O errors now
[01:02] <Matt|> ramzez, try and check if your processor supports speedstepping, i'm not sure it does
[01:02] <ramzez> it does supports in windows
[01:02] <runixd> farruinn, it shouldn't, sudo apt-get clean
[01:03] <Matt|> ramzez, how do you know?
[01:03] <farruinn> runixd, good point
[01:03] <runixd> Matt|, df -h ?
[01:03] <ramzez> cause i there is an intel applet which shows you the current cpu and speedstep driver in windows works
[01:03] <Matt|> ok
[01:04] <runixd> ramzez, speedstep works for me here, together with cpufreq daemon and driver
[01:04] <ramzez> it is my 2nd day with linux
[01:04] <ramzez> how do i start the deamon for cpufreq?
[01:04] <runixd> ramzez, /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start
[01:05] <runixd> its not there on default tho, afaik
[01:05] <runixd> sudo apt-get install cpufreqd
[01:05] <ramzez> what driver you were talking about?
[01:06] <runixd> the one from 2.6 kernel
[01:06] <runixd> speedstep
[01:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) simple
[01:06] <jessta> thanks runixd and Pluk
[01:06] <runixd> Powernowd is too tricky
[01:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) tricky?
[01:06] <runixd> well
[01:06] <ramzez> it looks like it started, how can i check?
[01:06] <runixd> I don't want all the fancy management and jumps when I'm plugged in for example
[01:07] <runixd> ramzez, cat /proc/cpufreq
[01:07] <runixd> ramzez, or you can add gnome applet
[01:07] (mjr/#ubuntu) bah, finicky :
[01:07] <ramzez> how?
[01:08] <runixd> right click on the bar, "add to panel"
[01:08] <runixd> you'll see it there
[01:08] <Matt|> ramzez, right click on your panel, and add the applet
[01:09] <ramzez> CPu Frequency Scaler?
[01:09] <runixd> yeah
[01:09] <ramzez> hmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo
[01:09] <ramzez> it tells me current speed 650
[01:10] <ramzez> which is correct
[01:10] <ramzez> cause i am running on batteries
[01:10] <ramzez> but if i do /proc/cpufreq
[01:10] <ramzez> it doesn't have any frequencies at all
 hmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo
 but if i do /proc/cpufreq
[01:11] <runixd> ahh
[01:11] <runixd> I see
[01:11] <runixd> cpuinfo has nothing to do with it
[01:11] <ramzez> also the applet in gnome doesn't show correct freq
[01:11] <runixd> its loaded somewhere around beginning
[01:12] <runixd> it does
[01:12] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: Didn't catch it last time..
[01:12] <runixd> cpufreq is probably not written to by cpufeqd
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: pardon?
[01:13] <ramzez> if i put back the power and cpuinfo still shows 650
[01:13] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: How to pm ;)
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ramzez: i know for mine i had to disable scaling in the bios
[01:13] <runixd> cpuinfo is not dealing with frequency
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: /msg
[01:14] <ramzez> i c, maybe that's the case
[01:14] <ramzez> do i need to add cpufreqd to modules to run?
[01:14] <runixd> ramzez, it should be added by apt-get
[01:15] <ramzez> ok thanks, let me just restart and disable it in bios, and see what happens
[01:15] <runixd> ok
[01:15] <ramzez> brb
[01:16] <runixd> so everyone is happily checking their email with evolution
[01:17] <hypa7ia> runixd: yup, sorry i can't help... can you maybe file a bug on it?
[01:17] <runixd> hmm, that'll take to long I guess
[01:17] <billytwowilly> runixd,  I love evolution, except that it displays emails in the junk folder as being in the inbox...
[01:18] <runixd> yeah, I love it for v-folders, but it ain't working is not helping
[01:21] <ramzez> runixd, on startup it says no cpufreq interface found
[01:21] <ramzez> what that means?
[01:21] <Lovechild> ramzez, means your cpu can't scale cpu speed according to load
[01:22] <ramzez> so anything i can do about it?
[01:22] <runixd> ramzez, just remove cpufreq module from loading
[01:23] <Lovechild> it's a harmless message, aside ignoring it, removing the module or buying another computer.. no
[01:23] <ramzez> so i can't get speedstep?
[01:23] <j1> hi everybody
[01:23] <runixd> I thought you just disabled cpu scaling
[01:23] <Lovechild> not unless your computer supports it
[01:23] <Lovechild> runixd, that might be the case
[01:23] <ramzez> my computer indeed supports it
[01:23] <Lovechild> j1, hi
[01:24] <socomm> By computer I assume you mean processor.
[01:24] <Lovechild> ramzez, then file a bug with ubuntu and the devs might figure out the problem
[01:25] <ramzez> ok thanks for the help
[01:25] <runixd> ramzez, enable cpuscaling, install cpufreqd
[01:26] <runixd> install gnome cpufreq applet (enable it) it shows correct speed
[01:26] <runixd> but I believe cpufreqd is not what ubuntu suggests
[01:27] <runixd> powernowd has (to my taste) fucked up scaling policy, but is I think default
[01:27] <runixd> for ubuntu
[01:28] <runixd> and supports both power now and speedstep
[01:31] <Gmail> is resolvconf broken?
[01:33] <mazzabr> ok. newbie question again.
[01:33] <mazzabr> I can't install xmms using apt-get.
[01:33] <ramzez> i believe i have all of it installed now so i have: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, cpudyn,cpufreqd,powermgmt-base, powernowd, gnome applet
[01:33] <s0cks> use apt-get
[01:33] <runixd> Gmail, no, why?
[01:33] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms
[01:33] <mazzabr> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:33] <mazzabr> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:33] <mazzabr> oops.
[01:33] <ramzez> anything else i need?
[01:33] <runixd> mazzabr, sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <mazzabr> that's not the right output.
[01:34] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ #  apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:34] <mazzabr> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:34] <mazzabr> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:34] <mazzabr> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:34] <mazzabr> is only available from another source
[01:34] <mazzabr> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[01:34] <runixd> ramzez, you have far too much allready, should be fine
[01:34] <runixd> mazzabr, apt-cache search xmms
[01:34] <ramzez> ok, let me restart ones more
[01:35] <mazzabr> runixd, : lots of stuff.
[01:35] <ken> I just installed xmms by synaptic
[01:35] <farruinn> mazzabr apt-cache search xmms | grep xmms maybe
[01:35] <Gmail> runixd: err i i broke it then
[01:36] <mazzabr> farruinn, : almost the same amount.
[01:36] <mazzabr> but no plain flat xmms.
[01:36] <runixd> mazzabr, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install xmms
[01:36] <mazzabr> runixd, : I have updated yesterday. but I'll try again.
[01:37] <runixd> try now
[01:37] <mazzabr> runixd, : update ok
[01:37] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms
[01:37] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:37] <mazzabr> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:37] <mazzabr> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:37] <mazzabr> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:37] <mazzabr> is only available from another source
[01:37] <mazzabr> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[01:37] <mazzabr> runixd, : install, the same.
[01:37] <runixd> thats wierd
[01:37] <runixd> try to install a plugin, which depends on it
[01:37] <runixd> or
[01:37] <runixd> ahh
[01:38] <mazzabr> I'm accessing these repositories.
[01:38] <runixd> I know what the problem is
[01:38] <runixd> enable universe
[01:38] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get update
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[01:38] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:38] <mazzabr> runixd, : AFAIK it's already enabled :o/
[01:39] <runixd> mazzabr, I'll give you my sources, maybe your mirror is outdated or smth
[01:39] <ramzez> i am back, it again said no cpu freq interface found
[01:39] <mazzabr>  http://archive.ubuntu.com outdated?
[01:40] <runixd> it has to be, i just installed it
[01:41] <Gmail> mazzabr: warty is frozzen
[01:41] <farruinn> is xmms actually in universe?  I just did a apt-cache show xmms and it just says section sound...
[01:41] <Gmail> mazzabr: sorry
[01:42] <Gmail> mazzabr: you need to refresh your list it looks dead
[01:42] <Gmail> mazzabr: there are 2 way the first way is the safe way and the second way is the quick way
[01:43] <Gmail> mazzabr: comment out all sources.list
[01:43] <Gmail> do apt-get update
[01:43] <Gmail> then undo the edit outs in sources.list
[01:43] <Gmail> and apt-get update
[01:44] <siimo> hi can i install ubuntu without X and gnome?
[01:44] <Gmail> yes
[01:44] <runixd> just do expert install
[01:44] <flam> my swedish characters get all weird when i smbmount.. but they look ok when I look at them in nautilus with smb://share/.. i've tried with the options iocharset and codepage for smbmount, but it doesn't work. anyone have a clue?
[01:44] <Gmail> apt really need to check after a apt-get update if the list is dead/broken or not
[01:44] <siimo> as i plan to upgrade to hoary after i install so its better to just get xorg and gnome from there ?
[01:45] <Gmail> siimo: do a real install then
[01:45] <Gmail> and you can upgrade after you got xfree working
[01:45] <siimo> Gmail, what real install? can i install hoary directly?
[01:45] <Gmail> you will have no errors
[01:45] <Gmail> siimo: DONT
[01:46] <Gmail> siimo: just install all of warty and if you know howto fiz a broken system then change in sources.list to hoary and upgrade
[01:46] <Gmail> it will do it all for you
[01:46] <jdub> siimo: install all of warty and upgrade.
[01:46] <Gmail> then restart x and you will be in xorg
[01:47] <piyr> hi, i have ubuntu Warty and i want to install a pdf->html converter
[01:47] <piyr> also i'm a noob
[01:47] <siimo> jdub, is there a reason why i should do that?
[01:47] <Gmail> jdub: yes now bob2 has to tell siimo that then siimo will liston
[01:47] <Gmail> siimo: YES!!!
[01:47] <mazzabr> Gmail, : solved thanx to runixd
[01:47] <Gmail> just do it that way
[01:47] <piyr> i downloaded one but it says I need gcc
[01:48] <piyr> i tried apt-get install gcc
[01:48] <Gmail> Pitr: why not apt-get install one?
[01:48] <piyr> how can i find one that way?
[01:48] <jdub> siimo: it's easier to upgrade
[01:48] <piyr> i found one on sourceforge
[01:48] <mike998> hmmm
[01:48] <ramzez> there is a speedstep driver inside /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq how can i load it
[01:48] <siimo> Gmail, you didnt make any sense
[01:48] <cardador> piyr: have you tried using synaptic to find stuff?
[01:49] <jdub> siimo: you could just do a 'custom' warty install, and then install ubuntu-desktop under hoary though.
[01:49] <mike998> I have a lost partition on my hard-drive - anybody got any idea on how I could get my ubuntu install to see it again
[01:49] <tyrano> hi ;O
[01:49] <tyrano> why is root logged in twice ;O
[01:49] <piyr> cardador: no, i don't know what that is, but i'll google it
[01:49] <Gmail> siimo: you noticed that what i said wasn't address to you that why it makes no sence
[01:49] <farruinn> mike998, lost as in not in fstab anymore perhaps?
[01:49] <Gmail> tyrano: because you mess with your system?
[01:50] <tyrano> no
[01:50] <mike998> farruinn: no, it's not in fstab any more
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: when you boot the warty installer, type 'custom' at the boot prompt
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: that'll just install the base system
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano@rekon:~ $ who
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano   :0           Nov 23 16:47
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano   pts/0        Nov 23 19:39 (:0.0)
[01:50] <tyrano> :|
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: then upgrade to hoary, and install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[01:50] <piyr> offtopic -- is there an irc command for replying to the last person who gave you a chat message? (e.g. name: prefix)
[01:50] <cardador> piyr: no need to google it :) its on computer > syst conf > synaptic
[01:51] <mike998> farruinn: the lost partition was there the first time I booted ubuntu, but I have rebooted since and now it's gone
[01:51] <farruinn> mike998, what type of filesystem
[01:51] <Gmail> jdub: you forgot to tell him apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and that there is no root
[01:51] <cardador> piyr: you can use it to find, install, uninstall software
[01:51] <jdub> Gmail: i'm sure he can figure out what to do.
[01:51] <mike998> farruinn: fat (more than likely fat 16)
[01:52] <_Imanewbie_> night folks
[01:52] <Gmail> jdub: then he cound of figured out howto do a custom install it say it in f7 when booting the cd
[01:52] <_Imanewbie_> how can i add linux packages as a repository fir ubuntu?
[01:52] <farruinn> ok, so you probably want something like /dev/hd**  /mnt/wherever vfat user,auto 0 0
[01:53] <mike998> farruinn: I have tried using sudo and mounting the drive (it was originally /dev/hdb) but it's not there any moer
[01:53] <piyr> help /r
[01:53] <piyr> sry
[01:53] <cardador> _Imanewbie_: normally you wont need to.
[01:53] <Cloudchaser> hello folks...i just installed ubuntu ;) I have a question though
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to install some packages..using an FAQ
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> and i get error:
[01:54] <farruinn> mike998, have you tried specifying the specific partition?
[01:54] <farruinn> mike998, and what error does it give you?
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> root@ubuntu:/home/mross # sudo apt-get install gFTP Client
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> E: Couldn't find package Client
[01:55] <Cloudchaser> i uncomment universe from sources.list
[01:55] <farruinn> Cloudchaser, try just gftp
[01:55] <housetier> you can use "gftp client" when doing "apt-cache search"
[01:55] <mike998> farruinn: mount:special device dev/hdb does not exist...  This is also true if I try to use /dev/hdb1 as well
[01:55] <_Imanewbie_> cardador: I want it to upgrade to mozilla-firefox 1.0
[01:55] <tvon|x31> Anyone know where X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h has gone in Hoary?
[01:55] <cardador> Cloudchaser: its much easier if you use synaptic. its on computer > syst conf > synaptic
[01:55] <housetier> however when installing a package with "apt-get install" you need to use package names
[01:55] <farruinn> mike998, what does ls /dev/hdb* tell you?
[01:55] <jdub> Gmail: i was providing an overview of a recommended method to install hoary. please chill out.
[01:55] <mike998> farruinn: I have also checked dmesg and it's not there
[01:56] <piyr> cardador: thanks for the synaptic tip -- both dselect and synaptic give only packages for converting pdf to .ps and to .txt, not html.
[01:56] <mike998> farruinn: I get a no such file or directory...
[01:56] <Gmail> jdub: why not give a fornighter broken image?
[01:56] <mike998> I have also tried using the ubuntu install program to see if the partition is there, and I can see it there.
[01:56] <Cloudchaser> ah thank you...the faq is misleading
[01:56] <mike998> just not when I am running my installed system
[01:57] <farruinn> mike998, right, see what's happened is the block device file has been deleted
[01:57] <jdub> Gmail: we have install CDs for hoary, but they are not useful at the moment.
[01:57] <mike998> farruinn : checking google now...
[01:57] <piyr> cardador: would it make sense to install gcc using synaptic so that i can compile the pdf->html program i found on sourceforge?
[01:57] <farruinn> mike998, you need to use mknod to create a new block device
[01:57] <farruinn> this is odd though because I've never heard of this happening before
[01:58] <mike998> farruinn: Neither have I - It is rather frustrating
[01:58] <jdub> piyr: install build-essential
[01:58] <cardador> piyr: yes
[01:58] <Gmail> jdub: that why i said BROEKN
[01:58] <cardador> piyr: normally you should use synaptic to install everything
[01:58] <jdub> Gmail: i have no idea what your question meant, then.
[01:59] <farruinn> mike998, sorry I'm not much help at this point =(  I've never had to create a new block device
[01:59] <flam> anyone successfully smbmounted a drive and are able to see swedish(or other unusual) characters ?
[01:59] <mike998> farruinn: that's okay - the pointer you gave me should help
[01:59] <farruinn> mike998, the mknod manual is at info mknod
[01:59] <piyr> cardador: ok, so using synaptic to install build-essential will install g++?  And I should only compile the programs myself in cases like this where there is apparently no package?
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> how can I changes the sources.list?
[02:00] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, sudo grep /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <farruinn> er, change grep to ...
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> vim
[02:00] <farruinn> gedit
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> =)
[02:01] <farruinn> ok, or vim if you're comfortable
[02:01] <cardador> piyr: yes and yes :)
[02:02] <piyr> cardador: ok, thanks for helping the noobs :)
[02:02] <cardador> piyr: and before you compile it, you can check if there are debs from debian availabe
[02:03] <piyr> cardador: is there a command under computer-> for doing that too?
[02:04] <cardador> piyr: i do it on firefox, on the search applet, just change from google to debian :)
[02:04] <piyr> cardador: ok thanks i'll look
[02:05] <tyrano> i dont think my speedstep is working correctly :|
[02:05] <_Imanewbie_> can I add linux pacjages as a ubuntu repos?
[02:06] <_Imanewbie_> even knowing it is wrong
[02:07] <wildcode> ok my previous observations seems incorrect ... dns has gone again ...
[02:07] <mill> I think ubuntu-desktop have some weird dependencies. For example if I have an alternative irc client installed why would I need irssi-text?
[02:08] <Gmail> err look at smart package maniger
[02:08] <wildcode> dns resolution went on holiday after a apt-get ...
[02:08] <jdub> mill: because that's the supported irc client
[02:08] <piyr> cardador: I found one there! What do I do?
[02:08] <jdub> mill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:08] <Gmail> we have no seen dependce hell till we used it
[02:08] <piyr> cardador: it has dependencies
[02:08] <Gmail> jdub: yes you if your using hoary
[02:08] <cardador> piyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[02:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, you don't.
[02:09] <mazzabr> jdub, : sorry, but IMO this is not the right way to talk about deficiencies.
[02:09] <jdub> Gmail: huh?
[02:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it simply means that you don't track ubuntu-desktop
[02:09] <jdub> mazzabr: deficiency?
[02:09] <cardador> piyr: if it doesnt install because of dependencies, just use synaptic and click on "fix broken packages"
[02:09] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, what do you mean by "linux packages"?
[02:09] <Gmail> yes you do if not you will not see gamin... you be using fam still...
[02:09] <mazzabr> jdub, : sorry, bad english.
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, : I meant, cons.
[02:10] <piyr> cardador: actually i don't know how to install a .deb package...
[02:10] <cardador> piyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[02:10] <jdub> mazzabr: i don't understand the comment (you probably used the right word)
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, <jdub> mill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:10] <jdub> Gmail: that's not a general problem
[02:10] <jdub> mazzabr: what's wrong with that?
[02:10] <wildcode> anyone here know how to solve dns resolution failing in ubuntu randomly but persistantly (ie: once it starts failing it doesn't really come good, even after reboot, but will suddenly work again just as mysteriously as it stopped)
[02:10] <piyr> cardador: ok.  sudo dpkg -i pdftohtml_0.36-7.1_i386.deb.  Thanks.
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, : mill tried to be constructive.
[02:11] <jdub> mill: mill had a question, which i answered
[02:11] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: yes
[02:11] <cardador> piyr: that is on ubuntu repository!
[02:11] <mazzabr> jdub, : never mind... the discussion died :o)
[02:11] <mazzabr> ;o)
[02:12] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, I'm still confused, do you mean debian repositories?
[02:12] <piyr> cardador: what do you mean?
[02:12] <tvon|x31> Has anyone built beagle on Hoary?
[02:12] <tvon|x31> or tried...
[02:12] <cardador> piyr: i searched for it in synaptic
[02:12] <cardador> piyr: probably you dont have universe and multiverse repositories enabled.
[02:12] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: places to take packages
[02:13] <Rene_S> Does it still count if I choose to use KDE on my Ubuntu ?
[02:13] <LinuxJones> wildcode, is dns resolution slow ro not working at all ?
[02:13] <cardador> piyr: synaptic > settings > repositories > (go to the ticked line) > section(s) > add universe and multiverse after "main restricted"
[02:14] <cardador> piyr: then click reload, and if you search for pdftohtml youll find it
[02:14] <siimo> Rene_S, does what count
[02:14] <runixd> it still counts as ubuntu :)
[02:14] <Rene_S> hehe
[02:15] <Nivlem> Can anyone tell me if Ubuntu supports hfs+ without a re-compile of the kernel?
[02:15] <runixd> Nivlem, it has every filesystem from default kernel compiled as module
[02:15] <_Imanewbie_> I want to find firefox 1.0 on a repos
[02:15] <Rene_S> I didn't want to be seen as some kind of whack job Ubuntu user who didn't like Gnome that much
[02:15] <jdub> Nivlem: it does
[02:16] <runixd> Rene_S, you will be seen as one
[02:16] <Nivlem> jdub: Kewl thanks...
[02:16] <Cloudchaser> _Imanewbie_, if you find it, i'd like to know where ;)
[02:16] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, oh, well if that's what you want, someone posted with a repository to the ubuntu-users list.    I have a small problem: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:17] <Nivlem> Now the next question is that I just checked fstab and it didn't add a entry for my firewire hard drive.....how would I check to see if it created the device for it? It was /dev/sdb under Mandrake 10.1
[02:17] <siimo> Rene_S, linux is all about choice
[02:17] <tvon|x31> hrm
[02:17] <runixd> but then there is good choice and bad choice
[02:17] <piyr> cardador: i'm working on it...
[02:17] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: where can I check it?
[02:18] <farruinn> lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users
[02:18] <runixd> Nivlem, cat /etc/mtab
[02:18] <Rene_S> Yeah for me Gnome isnt the best choice, however I like the Ubuntu people and philosophy so I am sticking with it
[02:18] <Nivlem> runixd: K...and Ubuntu uses /media instead of /mnt?
[02:19] <runixd> Nivlem, it uses whatever is written in fstab
[02:19] <runixd> which is /media :)
[02:19] <Nivlem> runixd: Gracias
[02:19] <runixd> welcome
[02:19] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: when was it? this month: last month?
[02:21] <Nivlem> runixd: It does not show anything to do with firewire(ieee1394, sbp2) does this mean that it isn't setup?
[02:21] <runixd> yes
[02:22] <Nivlem> runixd: If I just modprobe the modules would that enable Ubuntu to do the rest?
[02:22] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, don't remember for sure, think it was this month
[02:22] <runixd> Nivlem, if you mount it, modules will be loaded
[02:23] <GotD0t> has anybody recieved their ubuntu cds?
[02:23] <rasher> GotD0t: I have
[02:23] <rasher> Can anyone recommend a fluxbox theme that fits with the ubuntu look? Or one that is close?
[02:23] <Nivlem> runixd: should I assume the device name will be /dev/sdb?
[02:23] <Rene_S> No, cant say that I have.  I made mine
[02:23] <rasher> GotD0t: last friday
[02:23] <runixd> Nivlem, I'm not sure, don't have any firewire
[02:26] <Nivlem> runixd: Just so you know...it did it...heh
[02:26] <piyr> cardador: Thanks again.  I got it installed but it dies by segfault lol
[02:27] <wildcode> LinuxJones, not working at all, dns servers are working though, dig of ip addresses appear fine
[02:27] <thegnu> this may be a stupid question, but I can't find it on google, or linuxquestions, etc.  I've got a samsung ml-1740, and it won't print...
[02:27] <thegnu> the driver is installed, but it I can't select it
[02:27] <Nivlem> Anyone else in here running a firewire hard drive with more than one partition?
[02:27] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: the guy just said to uncomment theuniverse lines on the post ive found
[02:28] <hypa7ia> thegnu: permissions problem maybe?
[02:28] <thegnu> maybe.  on the ppd?
[02:28] <tyrano> does anyone know how i can setup speedstep correctly in ubuntu? my cpu is always running at max speed which is bad.
[02:28] <wildcode> LinuxJones, hmm, now I can't reach the dns server :/
[02:28] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, eh, maybe I'm just dreaming, but I could have sworn someone posted saying that had put up their own public repository that had firefox 1.0 on it
[02:28] <thegnu> if I install the printer as a 1710 with the supplied driver, it works.
[02:29] <piyr> Nivlem: can you boot from it?
[02:29] <wildcode> LinuxJones, this is only in ubuntu, if I switch to windows, they'll work fine, back to ubuntu, they fail
[02:29] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: nevermind it isnt so urgent for me
[02:29] <_Imanewbie_> bye guys I gtg
[02:29] <thegnu> in /etc/cups/ppd/, ls -l shows the same permissions for the 1710 ppd and 1740 ppd
[02:30] <thegnu> Is there an easy way to enable the HTTP interface for CUPS in ubuntu?
[02:30] <wildcode> LinuxJones, currently a windows machine on the nal isn't having any dns issues, yet ubuntu is
[02:30] <wildcode> nal = lan
[02:31] <thegnu> I also can't run the configuration program that comes with the printer, which worked on Arch Linux.  I tried setting a password:  lppasswd -g sys -a root
[02:31] <thegnu> it says authentication failed
[02:32] <mike998> okay - after much googling and even more swearing I must admit defeat and admit that I can't figure out how to use mknod
[02:33] <farruinn> mike998, any idea as to how /dev/hdb* disappeared?
[02:33] <mike998> does anybody know of a better resource - the info and man pages are not much help...
[02:33] <mike998> farruinn: I'm afraid not.  dev/hdb just stopped appearing.
[02:34] <Nivlem> piyr: No I don't know that Ubuntu support that...and I have a seperate drive for Ubuntu... ;-)
[02:34] <farruinn> ooh, it's /dev/hdb, not dev/hdb
[02:34] <mike998> farruinn: sorry - my typo... it's /dev/hdb
[02:35] <mike998> basically the second partion on my only hard drive
[02:35] <farruinn> mike998, ok, I was really worried for a moment that I had made a typo and lead you astray
[02:35] <piyr> Nivlem: Well I have a firewire hard drive, but it has only one partition and I haven't tried it with linux...
[02:35] <farruinn> mike998, if it's your only harddrive why do you have it set to slave?
[02:35] <farruinn> (hda)
[02:36] <farruinn> is / on hdb?
[02:37] <mike998> farruinn: I partitioned my drive when I had winxp on there so I had a 49gig partition for my ubuntu install and about a 30gig for my data so I wouldn't lose it
[02:37] <mike998> oh, boy is this silly
[02:37] <Nivlem> piyr: It will find it just fine...I am trying to figure out how to mount the individual partitions...I am mounting the whole drive right now.. :-(
[02:38] <Nivlem> piyr: What kind if filesystem?
[02:38] <Nivlem> *of*
[02:38] <farruinn> mike998, if it's only one disk and you're using Ubuntu at the moment then it's not possible for the 10 GB partition to be on hdb
[02:38] <mill> Hmm. Is there something special I have to do to be able to receive mail? Sending works and receiving locally too.
[02:39] <farruinn> er, 30 gig
[02:39] <piyr> Nivlem: windows; i'm a linux noob probably of no use in answering your technical questions :p
[02:39] <lil_anthony> anyone know how to play wmv's that have encryption cause when i go to play some wmv's it says encrypted and i thought i had all the codecs i need installed but oviously not
[02:40] <nevyn> lil_anthony: encrypted wmv's are drm'd you can't play them on linux afaik
[02:40] <farruinn> mike998, what does cat /etc/mtab say?
[02:40] <lil_anthony> ok thanks
[02:40] <nevyn> did you buy it off the internet somewhere?
[02:41] <lil_anthony> yeah, just one i had downloaded long time ago
[02:41] <lil_anthony> the playboy version of kidrocks cowyboy song :)
[02:41] <mike998> farruinn : dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[02:41] <mike998> skipping proc, sysfs
[02:42] <mike998> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[02:42] <farruinn> ok, so your other partition is probably on hda2 I would say
[02:42] <mike998> farruinn: I think I need to be slapped just a little bit
[02:42] <mike998> just a little
[02:42] <mike998> have yerself a beer as well.  on me
[02:43] <Rene_S> Try using the proper postage, that way your long distance mail arrives and you will recieve replies
[02:43] <mike998> what a moron I am
[02:43] <farruinn> mike998, eh, don't worry about it, we all have our moments =)
[02:44] <mike998> farruinn: you have been most patient.  Thanks again
[02:44] <farruinn> hopefully it will work now
[02:44] <mike998> apart from the fact that I can't explore it... yep it works
[02:46] <farruinn> but it mounts?
[02:46] <mike998> farruinn: yes.  I'm grabbing my rtcw files from there now
[02:46] <Rene_S> If you wanna explore it hang on while i get my shorts and machete and i will come explore it with ya
[02:46] <eruin> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/basics/index.html
[02:46] <eruin> meh
[02:47] <eruin> the kde humaninterfaceguidelines are a disaster in terms of human interface
[02:47] <eruin> ;P
[02:49] <Faustus> how far us ubuntu-ppc from being stable?
[02:49] <billytwowilly> it's really stable isn't it?
[02:50] <Rene_S> eruin, thats because they were written for Martians not Humans
[02:50] <jdub> Faustus: 4.10 was released in october, with ppc supported
[02:50] <farruinn> Faustus, not sure what you mean, it seems pretty damn stable to me
[02:50] <Faustus> not on my imac, 5 kernels panics in tree days
[02:50] <Faustus> three
[02:51] <Faustus> one with xmms playing a tone of others with the xscreensaver, I was never able to ssh in.
[02:51] <thegnu> how do you install a downloaded driver in gnome-cups-manager?
[02:51] <Majestic|Linux> whats swap for?
[02:52] <thegnu> I've got the Samsung driver for the ML-1740, and it just won't let me do it
[02:52] <eruin> swap = slow replacement for ram
[02:52] <Faustus> In fact I was writing submissions on these problems when I go a gui freeze.  The alt-cntrl-F1 didn't work, rage 128 doesn't have accel because it's deopth gets set wrong
[02:52] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[02:53] <eruin> Majestic|Linux: generally having as much swapspace as you have ram is a good idea
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> I have 256mb of ram and 620.12mb of swap
[02:53] <eruin> well, that's ok too ;)
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> because I have 3 partitions (20gb total)
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> 5.68gb, 5.68gb, and 6.68gb
[02:54] <eruin> and one 620.12mb ;)
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> but really its 6.1gb, 6.1gb, and 7.1gb
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> and 620.12mb for swap
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> it just shows different
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> but when I made the partition with Ubuntu it showed 6.1, 6.1, 7.1 and the rest for swap 620 or something
[02:55] <eruin> compared to ?
[02:55] <Majestic|Linux> but now I have qtparted open on MEPIS because i wanted to see it and it shows diff. its ok i noticed on my laptop 30gb shows 27gb on kanotix
[02:55] <zugwrack> Ok is there a GUI interface for adjusting yaboot?
[02:55] <Majestic|Linux> not comparing it
[02:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gb aint gb
[02:55] <eruin> 1gb in linux is one billion bytes
[02:56] <Faustus> farruinn:what hardware are u running ppc on?
[02:56] <eruin> 1gb in winblows is 1,024,000,000 bytes
[02:56] <Majestic|Linux> so yea
[02:56] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: erm
[02:57] <farruinn> beige G3, rev 2
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) A gigabyte is two to the 30th power, or 1,073,741,824 in decimal notation.
[02:57] <eruin> GB if you wanna be picky?
[02:57] <Majestic|Linux> how can I run more than 1 distro with ubuntu?
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) a gb in like is 2^30
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) last time I checked
[02:57] <Faustus> no probs?
[02:57] <Faustus> caveats?
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and in any case, if you're using applications, they might have their own definitions
[02:58] <farruinn> I haven't had any problems - in fact the Ubuntu install went a hell of a lot better than when I installed Debian
[02:58] <Majestic|Linux> save the boot for the other distros to a floppy?
[02:58] <farruinn> Sound just works, X just works...
[02:58] <Majestic|Linux> because I'm gonna be runnng Ubuntu, Libranet and MEPIS on here
[02:58] <zugwrack> Is there anything special I need to do after editing yaboot.conf?
[02:58] <Faustus> for sure, debian sarge installer is finicky, sometimes it installs with flying colors
[02:59] <Faustus> sometimes not
[02:59] <farruinn> Actually I did woody install w/ boot floppies
[02:59] <zugwrack> Majestic|Linux: Is this all i386? Or PC based?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> i386?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> pC Based?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> its on my Celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb pc if thats what you mean
[02:59] <Faustus> so u haven't had any freezes?  Well maybe I'll submit my findings in the hope that I can run it in the future
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> and its i686 to my understanding
[03:00] <thegnu> does anyone know how to enable a password for the root user for CUPS?
[03:00] <thegnu> because I've enabled root:
[03:00] <thegnu> sudo passwd root
[03:00] <thegnu> then:
[03:00] <farruinn> Faustus, Ubuntu's been running beautifully.  I never boot into OS X anymore (except for the occasional startmol -X)
[03:00] <thegnu> lppasswd -g sys -a root
[03:01] <Faustus> don't get me wrong
[03:01] <eruin> does mol work on i386?
[03:01] <thegnu> and still when I'm asked for a password by CUPS, I get authentication failed
[03:01] <Faustus> I loved it, it fealt like a new computer, fast but I just kept on having panics
[03:01] <zugwrack> Majestic: Yes that is what I mean...just make sure you have pre-partitioned your hard drive to allow for additional installs...depending on the bootloader (LILO,Grub) Each time you will add a line to tell it which partition the other images is on...
[03:01] <farruinn> eruin, no, because the way mol works macos actually runs on the processor itself
[03:01] <farruinn> so it's not really an emulator (AFAIK)
[03:01] <FTTP> AWESOME NEWS
[03:01] <FTTP> Intel also said it will open four Linux development centers to help software companies build PC applications for Linux computers.
[03:01] <Majestic|Linux> zugwrack, I'm a newbie and I dont know how todo that.
[03:01] <FTTP> And Intel is going to help develop link for DESKTOP !
[03:01] <Faustus> no very few things are emilated w/ mol
[03:02] <FTTP> err linux
[03:02] <eruin> FTTP: link?
[03:02] <FTTP> Intel more active in desktop Linux
[03:02] <farruinn> I guess sound and network is emulated...
[03:02] <eruin> as in url?
[03:02] <FTTP> http://news.com.com/Intel+more+active+in+desktop+Linux/2100-7344_3-5465225.html
[03:02] <farruinn> FTTP we need to find you a linux evangalism channel or something
[03:03] <FTTP> eruin:  It came to a point where in emerging markets microsoft had to cut prices
[03:03] <FTTP> microsofts market is saturated
[03:03] <zugwrack> Majestic: We were all newbies at one time...and we are all at various stages in our own knowledge of Linux...if it is just a playbox then don't worry about it...all that can happen is you have to re-format and reinstall...otherwise read and read and read..then once you have the information go ahead with your plans...
[03:03] <thegnu> when I try to do it manually, I get: lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error
[03:03] <Faustus> intel moving away from M$?  M$ share went down today too
[03:04] <eruin> FTTP: ms has been selling stripped down versions of their software in all non-western countries for quite some time now :P
[03:04] <zugwrack> Faustus: that is good news ;-)
[03:04] <Faustus> Could this be the beginning of hte end to wintel ?
[03:04] <eruin> FTTP: but that's great news... hopefully amd will follow ;>
[03:04] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[03:04] <thegnu> has anyone been able to use the web interface for CUPS?
[03:04] <Faustus> IBM supporting linux too
[03:04] <zugwrack> Majestic: no problem...just common sense really ;-)
[03:05] <Rene_S> IBM jeez, just wait soon MS will support Linux, cause they have too
[03:05] <eruin> "but those efforts have been largely confined to powerful networked computers called servers." - I don't see why they need to write it like that on an online newssite ;P
[03:05] <Faustus> but that's a mixed bag as my phil of comp prof tells me that IBM is threatening to sue down the road
[03:05] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: I wish my servers were powerful
[03:05] <eruin> hasn't ibm always supported linux?
[03:05] <FTTP> rene:  With SCO they are
[03:05] <Faustus> something about them having patents, perhaps he was refering to the disputed gui patents/
[03:05] <FTTP> rene:  Errrr microsoft is supporting UNIX
[03:05] <FTTP> sorry
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Since 2000
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Not always
[03:06] <eruin> well I can tell linux is growing
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Since the current CEO took charge
[03:06] <eruin> people I'd never think used linux actually are around here
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  In the USA linux is too far behind tho
[03:06] <FTTP> in emerging markets its growing
[03:06] <eruin> us always lags behind
[03:07] <FTTP> no i mean linux
[03:07] <FTTP> we like our microsoft here
[03:07] <FTTP> cept me
[03:07] <FTTP> people dont mind paying for microsoft
[03:07] <housetier> #osfight
[03:07] <Faustus> remember that ms came to ibm and convinced them to support windows
[03:07] <eruin> housetier: ?
[03:07] <housetier> maybe even #oswar
[03:07] <eruin> silly.
[03:08] <Faustus> ibm has always had their version of *nix, which usually was failed miserably fromwhat I've read
[03:08] <FTTP> faustus:  i think the sco lawsuit is really about the fact that in the USA nothing really progressed like microsoft did
[03:08] <FTTP> boies was part of the antitrust suit
[03:08] <FTTP> against microsoft and in no way plays favor to microsoft
[03:08] <FTTP> and he also defended ibm
[03:08] <FTTP> so his motives (which are not money alone, he is an issue guy)
[03:08] <FTTP> is prolly to alter the landscape of competition
[03:09] <FTTP> but if this makes ibm press harder to push linux
[03:09] <FTTP> it may actually work
[03:09] <FTTP> even if he loses
[03:09] <eruin> along with this here widespread usa-boycot
[03:09] <FTTP> ?
[03:09] <FTTP> boycot of what?
[03:10] <FTTP> Linux had 2.6 percent of the desktop market compared with 93 percent for Windows
[03:10] <FTTP> 2.6% in the usa?
[03:10] <eruin> most major us labels have suffered ~20-30% saldesdrops here
[03:10] <FTTP> i didnt think it was that high
[03:10] <FTTP> eruin what country are you in?
[03:10] <eruin> norway
[03:10] <FTTP> ok
[03:10] <FTTP> europe hates USA
[03:10] <eruin> same thing going on around europe apparently
[03:11] <FTTP> look at the euro vs dollar
[03:11] <FTTP> you guys hate us
[03:11] <eruin> no, we're just feeling f**king ambivalent
[03:11] <eruin> ;p
[03:11] <FTTP> eruin there should be a global war i mean in terms of business and innovation between europe and the usa
[03:11] <FTTP> it will be exciting
[03:11] <eruin> I think there already is
[03:12] <FTTP> eruin:  Europe went towards linux right?
[03:12] <eruin> yeah
[03:12] <FTTP> even in govt
[03:12] <FTTP> usa is pro microsoft
[03:12] <FTTP> novell bought up suse (german)
[03:12] <eruin> both eu and domestic
[03:12] <housetier> and I thought I was being silly- this is ridiculous and highly inappropriate
[03:12] <FTTP> housetier ?
[03:13] <tvon|x31> any Hoary devs around?  I'm on a hunt for "X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h"...I'm thinking the file was lost in the Xorg move
[03:13] <eruin> where's ubuntu originated?
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> UK
[03:13] <tvon|x31> other Xorg distros seem to have it, but I can't find it in Ubuntu nor Sid
[03:13] <Penguin> yuan is best currency
[03:13] <FTTP> isle of man is the hq
[03:13] <FTTP> isle of man =/ uk
[03:13] <FTTP> but the founder is from south africa
[03:13] <eruin> seriously?
[03:13] <mill> I get "Connection refused" when I am trying to connect the mailserver (postfix) from the outside. At least that is what happens with telnet and the logs doesn't provide any information. What do I have to do to remedy that?
[03:13] <Penguin> :D
[03:14] <FTTP> isle of man = nation
[03:14] <FTTP> but Shuttleworth is from south africa
[03:14] <eruin> tvon|x31: yeah; I see it on my mounted fedora drive
[03:14] <FTTP> so i dunno what you call it
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> FTTP: international? :P
[03:16] <eruin> http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/08/13/1424212.shtml?tid=3
[03:16] <eruin> eck
[03:18] <eruin> so linux currently has a marketshare higher than osX
[03:18] <eruin> err, os*
[03:20] <farruinn> currently?
[03:20] <eruin> 2003 @ 3.2%
[03:22] <farruinn> that's on the site your just posted?
[03:22] <eruin> nah
[03:22] <eruin> the one I just posted sounds highly speculative
[03:22] <farruinn> lol, oh, I'm searching all over that thing thinking wtf
[03:22] <eruin> this figure is according to IDC market data
[03:22] <farruinn> ok, got it
[03:22] <bratsche> How hard is it to make a deb file from a tarball?
[03:23] <eruin> bratsche: about http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ hard
[03:23] <bratsche> eruin: Thanks.
[03:23] <afshin> I want to build modules for my system but I get complaints taht lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686-smp/build: No such file or directory.
[03:23] <eruin> bratsche: your tarball might already have a debian subfolder, making things easier
[03:23] <afshin> which package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?
[03:24] <bratsche> eruin: Yes, it does.
[03:24] <bratsche> eruin: They have .deb files on the website, but they're i386 and I'm trying to make deb for amd64.
[03:24] <bratsche> It's for libdvdcss
[03:25] <caleb_> anybody seen a beagle package yet?
[03:29] <afshin> which package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?
[03:30] <mill> kernel-package?
[03:30] <afshin> hrm perhapes
[03:30] <eruin> gcc? :P
[03:31] <mike998> has anyone had any success in installing the loki graphical installer
[03:34] <mill> Blah. Can't get postfix to work.
[03:42] <eruin> http://zorked.net/smart/
[03:42] <eruin> eh
[03:43] (sladen/#ubuntu) eruin: yeah, I was looking at that.  mdz is listed in the credits so hopefully he'll know more about it
[03:56] <LucidVisions> Is anyone on in this room right now from south africa?
[03:59] <tyrano> i have linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3.686 installed, can i uninstall via synaptics and install the 686 instead, or is that just not worth the trouble
[04:00] <tyrano> ?
[04:01] <siimo> anyone here run hoary ?
[04:01] <LucidVisions> I do
[04:01] <gen> i also do
[04:02] <tyrano> ;[
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> well its late in europe..and i'm just an ubuntu newbie ;)
[04:02] <kensai> siimo, what seems to be the problem?
[04:02] <tyrano> how does one run hoary
[04:02] <tyrano> or update to hoary o_O
[04:02] <siimo> kensai, i was just asking...
[04:02] <gen> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <gen> change all the warty strings to hoary
[04:02] <kensai> tyrano, in /etc/apt/sources.list change everything that says warty to hoary
[04:02] <siimo> tyrano, wiki
[04:02] <gen> then save
[04:02] <gen> sudo apt-get updat
[04:02] <gen> update*
[04:02] <gen> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:02] <gen> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:02] <LucidVisions> 400mb+
[04:03] <tyrano> coo
[04:03] <LucidVisions> hehe
[04:03] <kensai> siimo, 90% of us run hoary
[04:03] <tyrano> should i do that o_O
[04:03] <siimo> tyrano, dont remove a kernel before your new kernel boots properly
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:03] <kensai> tyrano, you'll get unstable
[04:03] <LucidVisions> its gonna be 400mb+ of updating,,but its worth it
[04:03] <siimo> kensai, :O didnt know that thats a high percentage
[04:03] <kensai> tyrano, if you want a stable pc keep warty
[04:03] <tyrano> o
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: if you want stable wait til feb
[04:03] <siimo> i thought from reading the ubuntu website more will be running the release
[04:03] <tyrano> is there anything worth getting
[04:04] <farruinn> we should have a bot that answers the warty->hoary question
[04:04] <tyrano> ahh feb is not that long away
[04:04] <kensai> siimo, thats my guess it could be a little less though
[04:04] <kensai> siimo, maybe a should change it to 80% ;)
[04:05] <siimo> well thats still a high percentage - does it mean its relatively stable to use
[04:05] <gen> yes siimo
[04:05] <eruin> "dpkg-reconfigure locales" -> remove all non-utf8 ones, select your locale (in utf8) and make it the default one
[04:05] <eruin> that's also required if you move to hoary..
[04:06] <eruin> regeya: you sound like yoda
[04:06] <gen> yoda sound you like
[04:07] <tyrano> it sucks there is no way to choose your kernel when installing :|
[04:07] <tyrano> i wanted 686 image not 386 :/
[04:07] <eruin> how about just installing the 686 one? :P
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: hoary is a lot of headaches and not for everyone
[04:07] <eruin> it'll show up in your grub, you boot with it, then remove your 386 kernel
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tyrano on the forum is a post to get new gaim/xchat and so forth without going hoary
[04:08] <tyrano> nah i dont need all that
[04:08] <siimo> tyrano, just install i686 then boot to it and make sure it works then remove 386
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> I would really wait.. it is no fun having a broken down box and no means of fixing it yourself
[04:08] <gen> you don't have to remove 386, so small anyhow
[04:08] <tyrano> can you do it through synaptics?
[04:08] <tyrano> i see it there ;O
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> tyrano but I don't want to assume that you are dense
[04:08] <dewey> what is broken in hoary?
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: or implicate that you are :)
[04:09] <tyrano> ;]
[04:09] <regeya> like yoda I sound, you think?
[04:09] <gen> no
[04:09] <regeya> so certain are you...
[04:10] <NewComer> regeya, no, it's this way... like yoda I sound, think you?
[04:10] <eruin> so.. foolish
[04:10] <regeya> ah
[04:10] <regeya> corrected I am.  foolish I feel.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> dewey: what isn't :P
[04:10] <NewComer> LOL
[04:10] <eruin> and with foolish comes humiliation!
[04:10] <gen> i've been on hoary for a few weeks with no major problem
[04:11] <eruin> not a single hoary problem here
[04:11] <NewComer> don't know who taught yoda english, but he did a terrible job
[04:11] <eruin> apart from xorg being a bit broken in the locale department
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> gthumb doesn't work anymore, changing background doesn't work anymore, evo said bugger you, gdesklet needs tweaking here and there
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> screenshot has vanished for now (will return)
[04:12] <eruin> gthumb works fine here
[04:12] <gen> changing background works fine for me
[04:12] <eruin> changing background same
[04:12] <eruin> evo says hello darling
[04:12] <regeya> yoda seems to be one part backwards and one part old-fashioned
[04:12] <eruin> gdesklets _could_ use a bit of tweaking, but it's at 0.3 ffs
[04:12] <regeya> he's formal, but in a funny way. :-D
[04:12] <gen> bg changing wasn't working, then did another upgrade yesterday and now works
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> ubu devs themselves say one should wait
[04:13] <regeya> indeed.
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> gen have to do that today... it will all be fixed, not worry about it.. but I can see a noob going bonkers
[04:13] <regeya> as a somewhat-interested user, I would suggest that casual users grin and bear the (very mildly) stale packages, and wait a while.
[04:14] <regeya> I still can't believe bruce perens says he's never had a showstopper on debian unstable.
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> on that note: night all
[04:14] <gen> night Tsjoklat
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> :)
[04:14] <regeya> can't believe it because I think he's full of what the horse left
[04:16] <Seq> anybody using hoary and also using the gnome-blog panel applet?
[04:16] <Seq> i seem to get a preferences error whenever i try to use it as an applet after updating earlier, but standalone works fine
[04:17] <Tyche> hello
[04:18] <FTTP> linus net worth = 0,  bill gates net worth =<PHONE_NUMBER>0000
[04:18] <FTTP> polar opposites
[04:18] <housetier> ok
[04:18] <farruinn> FTTP, how is that relevant at all?
[04:18] <housetier> next topic please
[04:19] <Seq> i don't know, linus has a nice job at osdn (i think thats where it is) i'd like to have
[04:19] <dewey> wow 653MB to download for hoary!
[04:20] <FTTP> seq:  He doesnt get stock options
[04:20] <FTTP> :P
[04:20] <FTTP> its non profit
[04:20] <Seq> FTTP: who cares, he likes his job, he makes enough to live happily
[04:20] <housetier> my net worth = 0
[04:20] <housetier> wtf cares?
[04:21] <FTTP> seq:  I want profit dammit im a greedy f0ck
[04:22] <FTTP> my name is darl mcbride
[04:22] <FTTP> :P
[04:22] <jdub> FTTP: take it elsewhere please.
[04:22] <LucidVisions> fttp: your lame
[04:22] <dewey> okay here goes hoary upgrade :)
[04:22] <farruinn> anyone have any idea why synaptic doesn't show me any packages?  when I select a section or do a search is says X packages listed, but it doesn't show any in the window
[04:22] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: keep your hands off it
[04:22] <eruin> http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20041109.ars
[04:22] <eruin> seen that?
[04:22] <farruinn> dselect doesn't list anything as well, yet aptitude does...
[04:23] <eruin> anyone seen something similar with ubuntu?
[04:23] <LucidVisions> why,he is being an ass
[04:23] <FTTP> jdub:  McBride trying to ruin us
[04:23] <FTTP> but he wont succeed
[04:23] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: doesn't mean you can go around grabbing his lame like a fruit
[04:23] <housetier> you are ruining the spirit here, FTTP
[04:24] <housetier> sadly you have succeeded
[04:24] <LucidVisions> KneelBeforeXorg: alright
[04:24] <jdub> FTTP: take it elsewhere please.
[04:24] <LucidVisions> you win
[04:25] <IRCMonkey> hello, is there any wau to install ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?
[04:26] <jdub> IRCMonkey: there is a 2.4 kernel available, but you can install with it
[04:26] <jdub> IRCMonkey: i wouldn't recommend it unless you have very specific requirements (for a server, generally)
[04:26] <IRCMonkey> i need it cuase otherwise i cannot get audio
[04:26] <farruinn> No one else has had any problems with synaptic/dselect?  I tried a dpkg-reconfigure on them, but that didn't do anything
[04:27] <farruinn> This happened after I installed a package from source with dpkg
[04:27] <ajmitch_> jdub: how about broken usb with 2.6?
[04:27] <IRCMonkey> what i have to do to get the kernel 2.4 version??
[04:27] <kensai> distrowatch.com is powered by Ubuntu, Hurray!
[04:27] <regeya> !
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4
[04:28] <jdub> ajmitch_: it's not *that* broken ;)
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: what audio hardware do you have?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> jdub: on this box I have here, it seems quite broken :)
[04:28] <gen> kensai, where'd you get that from
[04:28] <IRCMonkey> i have an ati soundmax integrated card
[04:28] <jdub> ajmitch_: hardware?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> although I'm not sure if it's solely usb, or other factors
[04:28] <ajmitch_> works fine with knoppix & 2.4
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: no driver in 2.6 at all?
[04:29] <kensai> gen, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20041122#move
[04:29] <ajmitch_> sits & spins with knoppix & 2.6
[04:29] <IRCMonkey> there is but for some reason it won't work
[04:30] <gen> cool kensai
[04:30] <jdub> kensai: they moved to freebsd, not ubuntu.
[04:30] <FTTP> kensai:  IT is??
[04:30] <FTTP> AWESOME
[04:30] <gen> oh yea it does say freebsd
[04:30] <gen> and that ubuntu was the "contendor"
[04:30] <kensai> jdub, it says ubuntu now
[04:30] <jdub> kensai: they just tested the upgrade afterwards.
[04:31] <gen> " Last week we reported about the reasons behind the DistroWatch.com server move - from Debian to FreeBSD"
[04:31] <gen> first line
[04:31] <FTTP> kensai:  www.netcraft.com
[04:31] <FTTP> FreeBSD  Apache/2.0.50 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.0.2
[04:31] <FTTP> gen:  You were right
[04:31] <FTTP> netcraft doesnt lie
[04:32] <FTTP> unless they changed it after 11/15
[04:32] <FTTP> (possible)
[04:32] <kensai> Ohh ok just one of the servers is running ubuntu
[04:32] <FTTP> kensai which one ? :)
[04:33] <kensai> the old one
[04:33] <kensai> "After the site was safely on the new machine, we decided, out of curiosity, to upgrade the old Debian Woody installation to Ubuntu Warty"
[04:34] <FTTP> kensai:  Wow, so warty is becoming the replacement for servers for debian?
[04:34] <FTTP> Impressive
[04:34] <Seq> kensai: i read that as "now that we have a machine not doing anything at all, we decided to see if the conversion would break it"
[04:35] <jdub> FTTP: er, no.
[04:35] <kensai> Seq: yeah
[04:35] <jdub> FTTP: that was from the distrowatch article.
[04:35] <FTTP> jdub:  No i mean from customers
[04:35] <FTTP> some are using ubuntu over debian
[04:36] <kensai> I'm using both
[04:36] <kensai> One HDD with SID and one HDD with HOARY thats what I have for desktop
[04:37] <Seq> jdub: i have a question for you if you don't mind me asking. theres a few gnome devs on ubuntu, right? (you included if im correct). I figured if there was any distro to stick to a relatively default gnome configuration it would be this, but there are a few visible changes, most notably the menu arrangement
[04:37] <Seq> jdub: was this something that is being pushed for gnome as a whole, or just something to try out, or what?
[04:37] <FTTP> im waiting for hoary to be stable
[04:37] <FTTP> development iso needs work and isnt stable :P
[04:38] <FTTP> will wait further down the pike
[04:38] <kensai> FTTP, GNOME is what you should wait to be stable ;)
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> ok ubuntu folks...i've another question please
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to install a printer
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> which is attached to windows pc
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> the gui keeps crashing
[04:44] <Gmail> cool
[04:44] <Cloudchaser> ah good it seemed to work this time
[04:44] <kensai> Cloudchaser, it's a miracle! ;) how you got it?
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> well the gui crashed
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> but it kept the info i put in
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> the second time
[04:45] <farruinn> Cloudchaser, a *windows* pc - aren't you running ubuntu on it ;-)
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> tmorow i'll finish setitng up samba ;)
[04:45] <kensai> Cloudchaser, ohh I'll try tomorrow to communicate with a printer in a windows pc too
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> hehe not yet
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> use ip address until samba is set up
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> farruinn, i may set up file server on ubuntu
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> i have to play with it for a while first though
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> and i have some apps that won't run on linux
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> so...i put them on the desktop
[04:47] <farruinn> wait, so you're actually asking a windows question on this channel?
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> no
[04:47] <Gmail> err
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> it was a printing from ubuntu
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> question
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> but its working now
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu printer set up kept crashing
[04:48] <Gmail> don't use the add and remove program yet
[04:48] <Gmail> use it can crash gnome
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> oh i thought warty was stable ;)
[04:50] <Gmail> i am talking about in hoary
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> ah i don't have that
[04:51] <Gmail> hehe yay natulis is brocken
[04:51] <Gmail> and so is my spelling
[04:52] <kensai> I see Gmail your spelling is way broken ;)
[04:52] <Skif> Gmail: you should invest in a speling chexr
[04:52] <Gmail> and my menu is OOO
[04:52] <housetier> isnt "b0rken" the official spelling? ;)
[04:52] <Gmail> Skif: you make one for irssi
[04:52] <Gmail> lol
[04:53] <Gmail>  /exec man screen
[04:53] <Gmail> oops
[04:53] <Gmail> that is long
[04:54] <regeya> guh.  mention *one* windows program on ubuntu forums and have jdodson on yo' butt.  *sigh*
[04:55] <Gmail> ubuntu right now like how red hat was in version 1-4
[04:55] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows a good file-sharing app for linux?
[04:55] <Gmail> *warty
[04:55] <Gmail> hoary is like fedora
[04:55] <Gmail> in pop.
[04:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) um
[04:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no, it's nothing like it
[04:55] <gen> night
[04:55] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: in pop. it is
[04:56] <regeya> now see, that, right there, people jump all over someone when they advocate using a win32 program under wine, but filesharing, now, one is morally obligated to share copyrighted material!
[04:56] <PorscheBoy> regeya, don't say u don't share files with other people?
[04:57] <gen> porscheboy, not everyone is 10 years old
[04:57] <Gmail> resolvconf is the buggies cli tool i ever seen
[04:57] <PorscheBoy> c'mon, so what the heck do u do with linux?
[04:58] <PorscheBoy> just IRCing other people?
[04:58] <kensai> I'm really stuck with this bug. apt-get remove george bush isn't working ;)
[04:58] <gen> goto bed kensai
[04:58] <kensai> LOL right I'm falling asleep
[04:58] <regeya> well, now, did I say that? :-D  all I'm saying is that if someone asked for a good web browser and (this is hypothetical because it doesn't work well) if I were to say "install IE using Wine" people would be all over me.  I see very little righteous indignation over filesharing compared to Free Software zealots. :-D  Note that I prefer Free Software over alternatives and use Free everywhere I can.
[04:59] <nixboy> anyone using freenx ?
[04:59] <PorscheBoy> the fun part in using a computer is being able to play games and listen to music
[04:59] <visor> hey people, does somebody knows how to make a QT aplication look "decent" under gnome?, i mean, i run skype but it looks really bad and it opens a window to put the dock icon
[04:59] <gen> PorscheBoy, how are you seriously
[04:59] <kensai> regeya, If someone installs ie with wine.   Is it created whe ncertain daemons are run (e.g. ftpd) or is it disabled no matter what?
[05:01] <Skif> #ubuntu-offtopic is <--- thataway
[05:01] <kensai> gen, calm down ;)
[05:01] <kensai> vah, I'm out to bed I don't know even what I'm talking here
[05:01] <PorscheBoy> k, i'm leaving so u greeks could discuss ur ubuntu bible
[05:02] <james> anyone know why I can't use the newest GAIM?  it says I don't have SSL, but I made sure to get the latest release...
[05:02] <Skif> gen, relax, there's no point in getting all het up about it
[05:02] <nixboy> anyone installed freenx lately. the directions on the forums are broken
[05:02] <gen> thank god.
[05:02] <dle> why are there no ops here?
[05:03] <james> can anyone help me?
[05:03] <james> please?
[05:03] <Skif> dle: dunno; in .us it's right before a holiday, but I don't know why people from .au aren't on yet
[05:03] <gen> there are dle
[05:04] <Seq> james: did you grab the release from gaim.sf.net?
[05:04] <james> sourceforge.gaim.net.
[05:04] <Gmail> ubuntu hoary universe is quite a bit outdated to debian
[05:05] <Gmail> james: wtf
[05:05] <dle> gen: Not as far as I can see in xchat. :)
[05:05] <Gmail> james: you mean gaim.sf.net
[05:05] <james> wtf?
[05:05] <james> yes.
[05:05] <Gmail> good
[05:05] <Seq> james: maybe this will help, otherwise just use the version that ubuntu does: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq-ssl.php#q3
[05:06] <james> been there.
[05:06] <james> I can't install the package b/c the dependencies are too old (the ubuntu ones predate the debian ones)
[05:06] <Seq> james: do you have a specific need to be running the newest gaim? It's just minor bugfixes if i recall
[05:07] <Gmail> james: warty or hoary
[05:07] <james> well, file transfers have been rediculously slow, and I havn't seen anything else that could be the cause.
[05:07] <james> warty.
[05:07] <Gmail> james: please don't use dpkg -i just use apt-get insatll gaim
[05:07] <Gmail> james: maybe backport it from hoary
[05:08] <james> backport?
[05:08] <james> sorry, I'm relatively new.
[05:08] <james> you mean change the repository??
[05:08] <james> or add one?
[05:09] <Gmail> james: heh
[05:09] <Gmail> isn't gaim 1.0.2 good enuff for you?
[05:10] <james> well, a friend of mine set up Gentoo on my desktop, from a stage 1 tarball, and I love the portage tree.
[05:10] <james> and I was hoping to keep stuff relatively up to date on my notebook.
[05:10] <james> but I'll probably change to that on my notebook soon anyways, I was just trying to figure some stuff out.
[05:10] <novaburst> in Synaptic ubuntu-desktop is broken, should I mark it for reinstallation? Things seem to be working fine.
[05:11] <robl_> Hi, guys. I'm just trying out ubuntu for the first time, and I have a couple quick questions. First, after selecting my language and country in the installer, it takes me to what seems to be a command prompt and doesn't do anything. No commands seem to work, though. Is this normal?
[05:11] <Gmail> no
[05:12] <robl_> According to the website, it should be "scanning my hardware", but as far as I can tell, it's waiting for input
[05:12] <james> I have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?
[05:12] <Gmail> robl_: please do a md5sum check on the cd it seems corupted
[05:12] <robl_> md5sum?
[05:12] <Gmail> LOL
[05:13] <Gmail> you got windoze?
[05:13] <robl_> yes
[05:13] <Gmail> goto windoze
[05:13] <nixboy> where is freenx ... i ve been googling for a while and it looks like kalyxio does not have it anymore
[05:13] <Majestic|Linux> I'm a newbie too, and I wanted to know if I'm gonna dualboot ubuntu, does it have to be installed last?
[05:13] <robl_> in it now
[05:13] <james> Majestic:  I installed it second.
[05:13] <Gmail> on the cd there should be /dos
[05:13] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, windows always has to be installed first..it takes over
[05:14] <Gmail> and a read me in there read it
[05:14] <james> then just added it to the grub.conf
[05:14] <ChibiFS> Majectic- It works MUCH BETTER to install ubuntu last. Windows, if you're keeping it, should always be installed first
[05:14] <Gmail> it will tell you howto use md5sum.exe
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> yes but on my linux box dual-boot 2 distros
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> not windows
[05:14] <ChibiFS> Because it demands the ability to write to all of your partitions
[05:14] <robl_> alright, thank you
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> here on my xp box i have xp and kanotix already , and i shouldnt of installed it because i should of used vmware or virtualpc instead
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, linux can boot to any partition but i think windows has to be on the first partition
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> yes yes I aint trying to dual-boot with windows though
[05:15] <sub_pop> y0
[05:15] <james>  I have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> I already dual-boot Kanotix & XP no problem
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, i misunderstood, i'm sorry
[05:15] <sub_pop> anyone know if there are "netapplet" debs for ubuntu warty?
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> I'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu and MEPIS or Libranet
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> its  ok ;)
[05:16] <Cloudchaser> i think it doesn't matter which linux goes first then
[05:18] <novaburst> i am having trouble with getting file-roller installed via Synaptic, it keeps encountering errors. Should I be doing it another way?
[05:18] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[05:18] <Kirsch> novaburst: what error?
[05:19] <novaburst> Kirsch: copy: Input/output error
[05:19] <Majestic|Linux> I'm trying to dual-boot or triple-boot ubuntu, mepis and libranet and figure out which distro is best for me, which 1 i can customize to my likings gnome, kde, or whatever, which 1 i can do better on my celeron 634mhz 256sdram 20gb , which 1 i can learn faster, better with, which has better perfomance, speed, realibility and stuff like that
[05:20] <novaburst> Kirsch: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
[05:20] <Kirsch> novaburst: weird...
[05:20] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?
[05:22] <jsiegel> Keyboard problem - scroll lock/num lock button on my Presario laptop is non-functional in X, although it works on the console. Any suggestions?
[05:22] <Kirsch> jsiegel: check x config? maybe u have the wrong keyboard installed
[05:22] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?  I need the space..
[05:22] <Kirsch> novaburst: sorry, can't elp...
[05:22] <novaburst> Kirsch: np, thanks, I'll play with it some more
[05:23] <Kirsch> novaburst: might wanna see if synaptic will install any packages.
[05:23] <jsiegel> It's installed as a standard "pc104" keyboard.
[05:24] <Kirsch> jsiegel: can u paste the InputDevice setion on pastebin?
[05:25] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?  can anyone help me?!
[05:25] <nixboy> anyone know whatever happened to the freenx pkg located at kalyxio ?
[05:25] <Gmail> Kirsch: AOL!?!?!?!
[05:25] <Gmail> wb dewey
[05:26] <siimo> can i use hibernate?
[05:26] <nixboy> i tried installing from the kanotix rep to no avail either.
[05:26] <Kirsch> ?
[05:26] <Kirsch> Gmail: What?
[05:26] <dewey> Gmail: well my upgrade to hoary did not work I am here now on my mdk 10.2 install :)
[05:26] <nixboy> anyone can help with installing freenx on ubuntu warty ?
[05:26] <jsiegel> Pastebin? What?
[05:27] <Kirsch> jsiegel: www.pastebin.com its  a site that just holds info, so u can post ur config somewhere
[05:27] <dewey> with my hoary upgrade my X server would not work.
[05:27] <dewey> so is there something I can do to get X server to work from command line?
[05:30] <nevyn> lots of things.
[05:32] <dewey> like what?
[05:33] <eruin> anyone here built rhythmbox 0.9 debs?
[05:33] <nevyn> edit the config type xinit...
[05:34] <FTTP> new debian installer fixes the modprobe problems :)
[05:34] <FTTP> did ubuntu upstream it yet?
[05:34] <nevyn> is hoary closed?
[05:34] <gen> closed?
[05:35] <Qo-noS> Does not Ubuntu has a 6 monthly i.e. half-yearly release cycle? so how can Hoary be closed when warty was released but 2 months ago?
[05:35] <jdz_> Qo-noS: correct
[05:36] <Qo-noS> ;-)
[05:37] <fester420> is there winamp for linux
[05:37] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Im wondering if they upstreamed the new installer :)
[05:37] <gen> fester420: xmms
[05:37] <fester420> i use xmms
[05:37] <gen> so stick with it
[05:38] <Rob|Linux> I just installed ubuntu, I have to run apt-get update again?
[05:38] <Gmail> dewey: lol
[05:39] <dewey> Gmail: :)
[05:39] <Gmail> dewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:40] <Gmail> or
[05:40] <Qo-noS> dewey: I hope you realized that hoary like debian unstable/Experimental is for the brave and beta testers essentially. Unless you are one with the tenacity and skills and willingness to get your hands dirty...stick to Warty or Woody/Sarge (i.e. latter will be the next Stable by ~ Jan 2005). Tracking unstable branches like Hoary or Unstable/Experimental (on Debian) is NOT advised unless you possessed the above qualities and is acquianted
[05:40] <Qo-noS>  with the philosophy of "I get to keep the borken pieces if it breaks.
[05:40] <Gmail> dewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree
[05:40] <Rob|Linux> when I updated to hoary everything screwed up =\ i couldnt even get into x ,  it said a problem with x server
[05:40] <Qo-noS> FTTP: I supposed it'll come soon given the close relationship between Ubuntu and Debian ;-0
[05:40] <Rob|Linux> i'll just stay with warty then
[05:40] <nevyn> Qo-noS: that's a bold prediction.. sarge by jan 05...
[05:40] <Gmail> i had no problems
[05:40] <Gmail> i just resetted x and it worked
[05:41] <Gmail> i did it with in 6hr for when it was avilble
[05:41] <Qo-noS> nevyn: from the horsemouth's himself -> tbm aka Martin Michlmayr the DPL's mouth
[05:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: wow I'm impressed
[05:52] <dewey> Qo-noS: I am a beta tester for Mandrake 10.2 :)
[05:53] <dewey> I will brb in ubuntu I hope
[05:53] <Rob|Linux> who here uses another look than GNome on ubuntu?
[05:54] <GotD0t> i dont use the default gnome
[05:54] <GotD0t> if thats what you're asking
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> yea thats what im asking
[05:54] <Qo-noS> dewey: between distros enough diffs exist to make a switch an experience like migrating between OSes can be. The diff tools, flags used, requirements packaging wise, etc
[05:54] <GotD0t> i use gnome... just not the default skin
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> gnome gets slow after a while on slow systems
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> how can I change it
[05:55] <GotD0t> are you sure its gnome
[05:55] <Rob|Linux> me yes
[05:55] <Rob|Linux> its the default
[05:55] <GotD0t> no
[05:55] <GotD0t> i mean are you sure its gnome thats making it slow
[05:56] <Rob|Linux> well my friend said i might have a lot of process or something
[05:56] <Rob|Linux> yea its ubuntu or gnome, because i used gnome with libranet and it was faster but its not that slow, its just that my celeron 634mhz 256mb isnt the fastest thing of course
[05:57] <GotD0t> go into a term and type top
[05:57] <GotD0t> tell me what it says for the first 5 lines
[05:57] <BrittMan914> hey is there a easy way to get my WPC54G to work
[05:57] <GotD0t> what is that brittman914
[05:57] <BrittMan914> ...
[05:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: I don't think so, but there is a hard way
[05:58] <BrittMan914> Wireless PC card
[05:58] <BrittMan914> is it worth it
[05:58] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes
[05:58] <GotD0t> sorry... wouldnt know
[05:58] <BrittMan914> or shoudl i just buy a 11MBit card
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> it says
[05:58] <BrittMan914> well I kinda know what I am doing
[05:58] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.3532963119/view?searchterm=WPC54G
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> you mean for PID 1, 2,3, 4, 5 ?
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> they keep changing
[05:59] <GotD0t> no
[05:59] <GotD0t> the very first 5 lines
[05:59] <Rob|Linux> on the top
[05:59] <GotD0t> yea
[05:59] <GotD0t> first words on them should be top, Tasks, Cpu(s), Mem, Swap
[06:00] <BrittMan914> been there
[06:00] <BrittMan914> it doesnt work
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> top - 23:59:58 up 58 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.32, 0.33
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Tasks:  69 total,   1 running,  68 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Cpu(s): 25.2% us,  3.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 70.8% id,  0.3% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Mem:    256052k total,   252260k used,     3792k free,    12556k buffers
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Swap:   500432k total,      144k used,   500288k free,   122860k cached
[06:00] <BrittMan914> for me
[06:00] <BrittMan914> it will expand
[06:00] <BrittMan914> not comile
[06:00] <BrittMan914> compile at all
[06:00] <BrittMan914> i need to point it to my kernel source dir
[06:00] <BrittMan914> where is that
[06:00] <BrittMan914> on Ubuntu
[06:01] <BrittMan914> confused
[06:01] <GotD0t> Rob|Linux that looks good
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> lol
[06:02] <GotD0t> Rob|Linux after how long does it start slowing down
[06:02] <GotD0t> because i notice its only been up for bout an hour
[06:02] <BrittMan914> arghh
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> after 2-3hrs
[06:02] <BrittMan914> well night fellas
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> when im running gaim, xchat, and mozilla
[06:02] <BrittMan914> i'll try tomorrow
[06:03] <GotD0t> and when you close them it doesnt get any faster?
[06:03] <Rob|Linux> yea it does
[06:04] <GotD0t> then obviously what you're doing is too taxing for the machine
[06:04] <gen> grab another 256 stick rob
[06:04] <GotD0t> yea
[06:05] <Rob|Linux> lol
[06:05] <GotD0t> if it clears up after closing app's then its no a lost process or anything
[06:05] <Rob|Linux> it hasnt happeend with other distros :-p
[06:05] <GotD0t> not*
[06:05] <GotD0t> use a less taxing GUI...
[06:06] <GotD0t> swtich from gnome to some of ones made specifically for older machines
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> I like Ubuntu thats why I got it to use its default, but of course I want to try others to see how it works
[06:06] <gen> xfce, blackbox, fluxbox, etc
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> i just apt-get install <...>
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> right
[06:06] <gen> yep
[06:06] <GotD0t> just try those
[06:07] <gen> i think you'd like fluxbox rob
[06:07] <Rob|Linux> being anewbie? hehe
[06:07] <Rob|Linux> i gotta change my sources because noen of those apt-get are working
[06:08] <gen> you have universe right
[06:08] <GotD0t> do an apt-cache search for those
[06:08] <Rob|Linux> yea
[06:08] <Rob|Linux> i can go to synaptic and change it there, or i have to edit through the console?
[06:08] <GotD0t> because im sure its not only just listed as xfce or blackbox
[06:08] <GotD0t> either way you feel comfortable doing is fine
[06:09] <gen> actually they are gotd0t :)
[06:09] <Rob|Linux> you guys are on hoary or warty
[06:09] <GotD0t> really?
[06:09] <gen> yes, and rob im on hoary
[06:10] <GotD0t> im using warty and im seeing them
[06:10] <GotD0t> so just enable universe
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> how is it ? i tried it earlier and it didnt work i couldnt get inside X anymore, therewas a x server prob..
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> its on default and i cant get nothing
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> i think i gotta change it to multiverse
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> i did it earlier and it worked
[06:10] <gen> not change, but add
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> while i was also changin everything to hoary
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> well yea in this case universe multiverse instead of just universe
[06:11] <Rob|Linux>  a root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install kde
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> is only available from another source
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce4
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:12] <Rob|Linux> E: Couldn't find package xfce
[06:12] <gen> insert your sources.list to pastebin or #flood for me
[06:12] <eruin> here's a new command for you
[06:12] <eruin> apt-cache SEARCH
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> i added multiverse next to universe and still
[06:13] <GotD0t> with a space?
[06:13] <gen> wow rob
[06:13] <eruin> xfce4 is in universe
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> i cant get it either
[06:13] <gen> what do you mean
[06:13] <gen> it should be a seperate line
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> apt-get install xfce4
[06:14] <suchit> Need to install Sendmail as a Relay Host on Ubuntu. Cant Get to Package via Aptitude. Suggestions please ?
[06:14] <eruin> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:14] <eruin> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:14] <eruin> use those two
[06:15] <gen> and make sure to "sudo apt-get update"
[06:15] <gen> after you save
[06:15] <gen> then do apt-get install <whatever>
[06:16] <Rob|Linux> eruin, i did add multiverse already
[06:16] <gen> rob you don't listen well
[06:16] <eruin> well then do what gen said
[06:16] <suchit> Thanks
[06:17] <volvoguy> hey everybody. where's the first place you'd check if you just discovered that your previously very empty hard drive suddenly reports as 100% full? :-\
[06:17] <nevyn> ~/.xsession-errors
[06:17] <eruin> I'd rm -rf /tmp/* ;>
[06:18] <Rob|Linux> i listen well enough, i dont apt-get a few times already with other distros, and its always aprob here with ubuntu
[06:18] <Rob|Linux> i did what gen said too
[06:18] <eruin> and "apt-cache search xfce" doesn't return anything?
[06:18] <volvoguy> thanks eruin. i wanted to make sure that was safe before i did it. :-)
[06:18] <eruin> volvoguy: I'm not saying it's safe ;)
[06:18] <nevyn> volvoguy: it'll probably trash stuff X cares about.
[06:18] <nevyn> try
[06:19] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-cache search xfce
[06:19] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob #
[06:19] <nevyn> ~/.xsession-errors first
[06:19] <nevyn> volvoguy: and du -s * and find the big one.
[06:20] <volvoguy> there's no X on this box. ooh. good idea nevyn. i'll try that too!
[06:20] <eruin> oh sheeesh
[06:20] <eruin> 0620am
[06:20] <gen> rob
[06:21] <gen> paste your sources.list to #flodd or to pastebin
[06:21] <gen> flood*
[06:22] <Rob|Linux> #flood, done
[06:28] <suchit> hey gill are you in here?
[06:30] <Rob|Linux> who has the page where shows you how to go hoary?
[06:31] <volvoguy> one sec Rob. i think i know where it is.
[06:33] <tyrano> *sigh*
[06:33] <tyrano> i keep fucking up ubuntu, 4th reinstall and counting :|
[06:33] <gen> thats sad
[06:33] <gen> what's happening?
[06:33] <tyrano> kernel panic
[06:34] <tyrano> need this patch to get acpi working correctly for my laptop but i keep screwing up the kernel compiliation
[06:34] <tyrano> :/
[06:34] <tyrano> i dunno, im new and its a lot to take in :|
[06:35] <volvoguy> Rob: i can't find the page i was thinking of. it's pretty simple though - just change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.list (or with synaptic). there's a couple extra notes here too - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:35] <tyrano> i got the patch to work once, but when i rebooted it was no longer there
[06:36] <mdz> volvoguy: GuideToHoary I think
[06:37] <volvoguy> can anyone verify what is or isn't safe to blow away in /tmp? apparently i AM really low on space. doh!
[06:37] <seek187> tyrano, what's wrong with your laptop?
[06:38] <volvoguy> mdz: thanks matt. that's the one. the full URL is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[06:38] <Rob|Linux> Thanks volvo
[06:38] <siimo> hi how do i unlock the root account ?
[06:38] <Rob|Linux> gen is helping me :)
[06:39] <tyrano> seek187, its a known issue for the acpi with the asus, the battery status isnt read correctly. supposedly this patch can make it be read correctly but ive only had it work once http://m6n.ath.cx/aml_method_exec_hack.patch
[06:39] <mdz> volvoguy: depends entirely on what programs are running
[06:39] <tyrano> do you think the ubuntu developers would put it in? :)
[06:39] <tyrano> i think you can do the patch or something with something called "DSDT tables"
[06:40] <seek187> tyrano, oh I see... I had a problem with my laptop not shutting down and I forced acpi but that probably wouldn't help
[06:40] <volvoguy> mdz: does /tmp get cleaned up during a reboot ?
[06:40] <mdz> volvoguy: yes
[06:40] <mdz> tyrano: is this the patch you mean?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379
[06:40] <tyrano> well my cpu throttling doesnt work correctly either so i assume its an acpi problem
[06:40] <mdz> siimo: answered in the FAQ
[06:41] <volvoguy> mdz: excellent. i may be gone a few minutes. :-) did you get my email yet matt?
[06:41] <mdz> volvoguy: I just returned from a week-long holiday, I have _lots_ of email :-)
[06:41] <tyrano> i hadn't heard opf that seek
[06:41] <siimo> mdz, yes i understand all that but i still want root
[06:41] <volvoguy> mdz: welcome back! no problem. nothing critical. take your time. :-) i'll be back in a little while.
[06:42] <mdz> siimo: when I say it is answered in the FAQ, I mean that you will find the answer to your question by reading the FAQ
[06:42] <mdz> siimo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:43] <siimo> mdz, that does not say anything about enabling root account
[06:43] <mdz> siimo: yes it does
[06:43] <mdz> "Note that the root account does not have a password at all after the initial install. You can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root."
[06:44] <siimo> mdz, it only talks about setting a root password which doesnt necessarily mean the account will be enabled as it does not say that anywhere
[06:44] (lamont/#ubuntu) mill: still around?
[06:45] <siimo> if thats how you enable a root account then that faq should be fixed
[06:46] <mdz> it's tiring to improve the FAQ when folks don't read it before asking :-/
[06:46] <siimo> well you tell me then would you understand that? if you were a new user?
[06:46] <mdz> siimo: perhaps you can suggest an alternative wording which would have made it more obvious
[06:46] <siimo> and i did read the faq
[06:47] <siimo> mdz, all im saying is - it should say somewhere that "by setting the root password the root account is enabled" ?
[06:49] <mdz> siimo: better now?
[06:49] <echodots> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 2500 laptop. I've set the bios to read the cdrom first and made sure the cd would boot by putting it in my desktop but the laptop doesn't recognize it during start up... could someone tell me another way of getting this cd to load during start up?
[06:50] <siimo> yes.. but still so if root account doesnt have password it cant be used? i didnt know that
[06:51] <echodots> :) anybody?
[06:51] <tyrano> hmm
[06:51] <siimo> echodots, have you got your cdrom as the first boot device before it goes to HDD?
[06:52] <tyrano> maybe its a bad burn ;O
[06:57] <echodots> it won't go up, I've tried everything to make the priorities change. the cd is fine, it loaded up when i put it on my desktop
[06:57] <tyrano> do you have windows on your laptop?
[06:57] <echodots> I went to dell and updated the bios... of course they didn't have an update but I downloaded the one they were offering and installed it anyway. let me go back and see if I can change the priority since I updated the bios.
[06:57] <echodots> tyrano: xp home edition
[06:57] <echodots> brb
[06:57] <tyrano> i was thinking maybe try and see if you can read the cd in windows on your laptop
[07:03] <gson> someone that knows if there is a bind to switch desktops?
[07:05] <mojo> can someone help me on compiling RealPlayer 10 (src)?
[07:05] <gson> wake up!
[07:05] <mojo> the bin version of RealPLayer not run with me, can someone pls check?
[07:05] <bur[n] er> realplayer?  bleh
[07:05] <gson> ye..
[07:05] <gson> gxine:)
[07:06] <gson> yupp
[07:06] <bur[n] er> wish i knew anything about realplayer... i'd help
[07:06] <gson> bur[n] er,  do you know if there is a bind to switch desktops?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> but i try to stay away from it
[07:06] <bur[n] er> gson: ctrl+alt left/right ?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> maybe i did that myself though
[07:06] <gson> lol nice:)
[07:06] <gson> nah it works
[07:06] <gson> tnx man
[07:06] <bur[n] er> cool
[07:06] <bur[n] er> sure
[07:07] <bur[n] er> wish scroll-wheeling would work for that though
[07:07] <bur[n] er> on that note... bedtime
[07:07] <bur[n] er> peace
[07:07] <gson> heh cu
[07:07] <gson> one more thing...do you know where to find bittorent?
[07:08] <EricNeon> hello all
[07:08] <gson> elo eric:)
[07:09] <EricNeon> Im set my fonts in gentoo
[07:09] <gson> oi, where can i find nice themes?
[07:10] <seek187> art.gnome.org
[07:10] <gson> heh tnx
[07:10] <EricNeon> hoho
[07:10] <EricNeon> www.gnome-look.org
[07:10] <seek187> or http://themes.freshmeat.net/
[07:10] <mojo> burner: does RealPlayer run with ur Ubuntu Hoary?
[07:11] <echodots> welp, it let me move it up over the hdd's but when i restarted it, it didn't start the install.
[07:14] <echodots> i remember a while back, i installed debian on my other laptop. I took some files off the cd and put them on a floppy and then loaded the floppy on install, it redirected the files to the cd and the cd started working... no one, by any chance, would happens to know which files they were does anyone?
[07:14] <mojo> Can someone PLEASE confirm wether RealPlayer 10 GOLD run on Ubuntu Hoary? PLEASE..
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> give me a min
[07:14] <seek187> ill try
[07:14] <tyrano> my fan never kicks in, im worried :/
[07:15] <gson> heh tyrano:)
[07:16] <gson> ive got a minor problem, iam new at this and i want to use another theme:)
[07:16] <tyrano> its no good :/
[07:17] <mojo> The result of running RealPlayer GOLD on Hoary ??? plese..
[07:19] <seek187> mojo, hmmm I can't get it to start
[07:19] <mojo> same here
[07:19] <mojo> it' just stuneed
[07:19] <mojo> rite?
[07:19] <seek187> realplay just sits there and does nothing
[07:19] <mojo> I think Hoary has prob with RealPLayer
[07:20] <mojo> yeah
[07:20] <mojo> but Helix does run with Hoary
[07:20] <mojo> weird
[07:21] <echodots> i really want to install ubuntu on my laptop
[07:21] <echodots> :(
[07:24] <tyrano> :|
[07:25] <Gmail> hehe my old retarted friend want to install ubuntu over his whole schools network (of 506 computers)
[07:25] <gen> did you just say retarted?
[07:25] <fabbione> and why that should be "retarded"?
[07:25] <gen> apparently you are retarded for not being able to spell it :)
[07:25] <echodots> LOL
[07:25] <gen> hurrr
[07:26] <echodots> i wasn't going to say anything
[07:26] <Gmail> and my spelling is b0rken
[07:26] <echodots> obviously
[07:26] <echodots> but we love you anyway :|
[07:27] <tyrano> is there an rc.modules or rc.local in ubuntu where i can add a module to be loaded on boot
[07:30] <melazyboy> Ok im having a problem -- for some reason the default install + online updates, did not install smbmount, i moved to the horay repos updated and upgraded and still do not have smbmount... anyone know whats happening? and why i don't have it, and/or what package would contain it
[07:31] <seek187> melazyboy, smbfs?
[07:32] <melazyboy> smbmount is the samba-client utility that allows you to mount a remote share -- i have the option to mount a share using a gnome gui -- but i need to know how to do it only using console, in the past i have always utility called smbmount, which is part of the samba suite
[07:33] <echodots> lol... i guess 'whereis' doesn't work on xp :P
[07:33] <seek187> lol
[07:34] <bborkk> Anyone had any luck with ACPI working with the fglrx ATI driver?
[07:35] <melazyboy> does anyone else lack the smbmount utility, it would be something worth mentioning to the ubuntu devels if others are missing it too -- what i read from an faq online is that to get it you must ./configure --with-smbmount, i dont really care to compile unless i have to though
[07:35] <bborkk> I've heard from others that switching to APM is the only solution that's worked.
[07:36] <duncanm> hola
[07:36] <duncanm> what do i run to config X?
[07:36] <duncanm> i installed ubuntu on a Dell Dimension
[07:36] <duncanm> and surprisingly, X doesn't work ;-(
[07:37] <Watje> Hi, in fedora it was possible to make a ~/bin/ dir but here it doesn't work, can anyone help me with it?
[07:37] <bborkk> duncanm: Is this one of those Media Centers?
[07:37] <bborkk> Watje: What do you want the ~/bin/ directory to do?
[07:38] <echodots> am i going crazy or is there really no boot.img, cd-driver.img and root.img on the ubuntu cd?
[07:38] <Watje> uhm i want to put scripts in it
[07:38] <melazyboy> mkdir ~/bin
[07:38] <Watje> so i don't need to write the full location
[07:38] <Watje> yes i already did
[07:38] <melazyboy> and you want it to link to ~/bin
[07:38] <melazyboy> ld ~/bin /bin -s
[07:38] <Watje> k
[07:38] <Watje> thnx
[07:39] <echodots> oh nvm, they're on the net... silly me
[07:39] <duncanm> bborkk: no, it's a cheap-o dimension 3000
[07:39] <duncanm> bborkk: but it has the integrated intel graphics thing
[07:39] <melazyboy> err Watje try ln rather not ld
[07:40] <bborkk> duncanm: What integrated graphics thing?
[07:40] <duncanm> Video Card	Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[07:40] <bborkk> hm.
[07:41] <duncanm> i have a feeling it's not running xorg
[07:41] <duncanm> it's like XFree86 4.3.99
[07:41] <duncanm> which i guess could be a variant of Xorg
[07:42] <Agrajag> no, xfree86 is xfree86
[07:42] <duncanm> hrm
[07:42] <bborkk> duncanm: Which release did you install?
[07:42] <duncanm> my friend gave me this CD, and i just popped it in
[07:42] <duncanm> i don't even know
[07:42] <bborkk> Warty uses xfree86, Hoary uses Xorg.
[07:42] <duncanm> yeah
[07:42] <duncanm> it's Warty
[07:42] <duncanm> is that no good?
[07:42] <duncanm> is that old?
[07:43] <bborkk> People die every day because of friends like that.
[07:43] <duncanm> ah
[07:43] <duncanm> how big a download is to upgrade to Hoary?
[07:43] <bborkk> Warty is the current stable release.
[07:43] <duncanm> oh
[07:43] <bborkk> Hoary is the development branch for the next release.
[07:43] <tyrano> hoary uses xorg right?
[07:44] <fabbione> duncanm: the upgrade is pretty big
[07:44] <bborkk> Yes.
[07:44] <tyrano> cool, maybe 3ddesktop will work with that o_O
[07:44] <fabbione> duncanm: can you put /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere i can look at it?
[07:44] <duncanm> fabbione: is it worth it?
[07:44] <duncanm> fabbione: lemme try
[07:45] <fabbione> duncanm: integrated gfx cards are buggy in hw and need some workaround to work properly
[07:46] <duncanm> http://a-chinaman.com/stuff/XFree86.0.log
[07:46] <duncanm> fabbione: there you go
[07:46] <fabbione> ok hold on a sec
[07:46] <echodots> ok, i figured out a way to install them on my laptop... download boot.img, root.img, and cd-driver.img from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
[07:47] <echodots> then put them on three different cds and stick them in the floppy drive and reboot
[07:47] <fabbione> duncanm: can you kindly put also /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[07:47] <echodots> take care
[07:49] <tyrano> upgrade to hoary you change sources and then apt-get dist-upgrade yah?
[07:50] <tyrano> :|
[07:51] <fabbione> duncanm: can you put up the config file please?
[07:52] <duncanm> http://a-chinaman.com/stuff/XF86Config-4
[07:52] <duncanm> wow
[07:52] <fabbione> duncanm: ok. now you need to do 2/3 things.
[07:53] <duncanm> fabbione: surprisngly, it guessed most of those things right
[07:53] <fabbione> duncanm: the first one is to go in the BIOS and see how much memory has been reserved for the video card.
[07:53] <fabbione> duncanm: i am not.. since i wrote most of the detection code :P
[07:53] <duncanm> ah!
[07:54] <duncanm> fabbione: i have given up spending time to take care of these things now ;-)
[07:54] <fabbione> duncanm: these integrated devices basically use system ram to simulate video ram
[07:54] <duncanm> ah
[07:54] <duncanm> i think apt-get upgrade installed a new kernel too
[07:54] <fabbione> so the first step is to check the BIOS setting
[07:54] <duncanm> sure
[07:54] <duncanm> lemme go do that
[07:54] <fabbione> ok
[07:54] <gson> what kind of themes is it that i need to dl for ubuntu?:)
[07:54] <gson> 2.x?
[07:55] <fabbione> duncanm: i will be back in a few minutes
[07:56] <duncanm> fabbione: says Onboard video memory is 1MB
[07:59] <tyrano> hoary upgrade will take forever
[07:59] <tyrano> ;[
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: you need to higher that value to something like 16Mb
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: the BIOS should allow you to do so
[08:03] <duncanm> i made it say 8MB
[08:03] <duncanm> i dunno if there's 16
[08:03] <dewey> hello I can not fix x server in hoary?
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: 8Mb can probably do too
[08:04] <duncanm> that's it
[08:04] <duncanm> 1MB or 8MB
[08:04] <fabbione> ok leave 8Mb
[08:04] <fabbione> now boot the machine
[08:04] <fabbione> X still won't start
[08:04] <duncanm> fabbione: kinda lame, heh? ;-)
[08:04] <duncanm> fabbione: but then again, $600 from dell
[08:04] <fabbione> duncanm: nahh these video gfx are a pain
[08:05] <fabbione> duncanm: tell me when you are the login prompt
[08:05] <duncanm> ah
[08:05] <duncanm> X shows up!
[08:06] <duncanm> in the nice yellow background!
[08:06] <fabbione> in the correct resolution?
[08:06] <duncanm> i think so
[08:06] <fabbione> i suggest to do something more
[08:06] <fabbione> crtl+alt+f1
[08:06] <fabbione> and go to the console
[08:06] <duncanm> not too shabby
[08:06] <fabbione> login and do:
[08:06] <duncanm> fabbione: and?
[08:06] <fabbione> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:07] <fabbione> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:07] <fabbione> are you running warty right?
[08:08] <duncanm> oui
[08:08] <fabbione> ok
[08:08] <fabbione> now.. you will see a bunch of questions
[08:08] <fabbione> most of them you can just hit enter
[08:08] <fabbione> there is one in which it asks for the amount of RAM in the video card
[08:08] <fabbione> in kB
[08:08] <fabbione> put 8192
[08:09] <fabbione> (8Mb)
[08:09] <fabbione> and you should be able to still hit enter until it finishes
[08:09] <fabbione> and put the new configuration up to the web (with another name)
[08:09] <duncanm> should i use FB?
[08:09] <fabbione> no
[08:10] <lothario> is ubuntu still the pre-release distro?
[08:10] <fabbione> the default should be "no" at least
[08:10] <fabbione> lothario: ubuntu is the distribution. Warty is the stable release, hoary is the unstable one
[08:10] <duncanm> okay
[08:10] <melazyboy> when you apt-get the kernel source tree package, shoulden't it link /usr/sources/linux to that local?
[08:11] <lothario> I'm downloading the Warty right now. Can I install it?
[08:11] <duncanm> fabbione: and now you want the new XF86Config-4?
[08:11] <fabbione> duncanm: yes please, but use another name, so i can compare them
[08:11] <tyrano> you have to link it yourself melazyboy
[08:11] <melazyboy> oh shit n/m its src not sources
[08:14] <duncanm> oh
[08:14] <duncanm> fabbione: oops
[08:14] <duncanm> do you still have the old one?
[08:14] <fabbione> duncanm: yes...
[08:14] <duncanm> fabbione: i uploaded it to the same name
[08:14] <duncanm> so save your current copy
[08:15] <fabbione> duncanm: it looks ok.. other than you added another option too to the keyboard
[08:16] <fabbione> duncanm: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:18] <gson> what kind of theme does ubuntu use? GTK 2.x ?
[08:18] <Gmail> heh
[08:18] <gson> :)
[08:18] <gson> <--the noob
[08:19] <nevyn> gson: yeah gtk2.0 and gnome 2.8
[08:19] <fabbione> duncanm: does it look ok now?
[08:19] <Agrajag> more like gtk2.4
[08:19] <gson> an thnx
[08:19] <nevyn> Agrajag: ok gtk2.4 but point is. not gtk 1 ;)
[08:19] <Gmail> more like gtk2.5
[08:20] <Gmail> in hoary
[08:20] <birme> will multisync be supported in ubuntu?
[08:22] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) multisync monitors?
[08:23] <Gmail> KneelBeforeXorg: no i will not
[08:23] <nevyn> no the software for pda's
[08:23] <gson> bah cant find any good themes
[08:23] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) Gmail: then FACE THE WRATH OF KRYPTON!
[08:23] <s0cks> Gmail : Die.
[08:24] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) You sure showed him.
[08:24] <Gmail> r0b0rt i never knew that you l0ved me
[08:24] <melazyboy> I don't have a gmail account yet =[
[08:24] <gen> gmail is trendy
[08:25] <melazyboy> yar =/
[08:25] <melazyboy> im out of the loop
[08:25] <gen> thats the way to be
[08:25] <nevyn> gmail is a privacy nightmare.
[08:25] <melazyboy> =/
[08:25] <gen> gmail is a nightmare alltogether
[08:25] <birme> if there is a need for the multisync to be included in ubuntu, I could help... I initiated the debian support, now maintained by an debian developer
[08:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: multisync monitors?
[08:25] <birme> in other words, I did the first debs
[08:25] <birme> KneelBeforeXorg: no, sync with PDAs and phones
[08:25] <nevyn> birme: do you know about  synce support for multisync?
[08:25] <gen> kneel, you don't read well
[08:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: telephonic affection, eh
[08:26] <melazyboy> nevyn... right because scripts reading through email is a new thing, there are probably 100 nodes that are reading what you do with some stupid tethereal prog and spewing out your whole life to the evil empire of gatorsoft
[08:26] <Gmail> birme: already does
[08:26] <Gmail> its in universe
[08:26] <birme> Gmail: ok
[08:26] <birme> multisync.sf.net
[08:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I can get you an invitation to Gmail if you want :-)
[08:27] <Gmail> king_arthur: can i have one
[08:27] <gen> losers
[08:27] <Gmail> king_arthur: i need another one
[08:27] <nevyn> melazyboy: let's not be rediculous... but. I wouldn't be using gmail for private communications is all I'm saying and that includes commercially sensitive stuf
[08:28] <melazyboy> king_arthur: sure i would appreciate that, don't bother if it takes you too much time
[08:29] <Mountainman> hey im lookin for some help on install of ubuntu
[08:29] <Mountainman> i ran the install like normal
[08:29] <Mountainman> and it installed the GRUB boot loader
[08:29] <Mountainman> but on reboot to finish install GRUB wouldnt load ubuntu
[08:30] <Mountainman> any ideas?
[08:30] <birme> Mountainman: do you get any error message?
[08:31] <Mountainman> nope
[08:31] <Mountainman> it just says please wait
[08:31] <Mountainman> and never continues
[08:32] <duncanm> fabbione: yeah, it works fine now
[08:34] <duncanm> ciao
[08:37] <jysse> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() and I have extension=mysql.so uncommented What's wrong ?
[08:37] <duncanm> oh
[08:37] <duncanm> one more question,
[08:37] <duncanm> i tried to install dvdrip, i think the debian resource it points to assumes 'traditional' debian
[08:37] <duncanm> and the pkg dependencies didn't pan out
[08:38] <nevyn> duncanm: they won't.
[08:38] <fabbione> duncanm: yes. you need to add multiverse to the repo list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <duncanm> ah
[08:38] <duncanm> i have universe
[08:38] <fabbione> there is also "multiverse"
[08:38] <nevyn> even then you'll probably need marilat for libdecss
[08:38] <duncanm> nevyn: that's where i'm pointing it to
[08:39] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main and all
[08:40] <fabbione> duncanm: probably s/stable/unstable
[08:40] <fabbione> is a better idea
[08:40] <duncanm> fabbione: i have all three
[08:40] <fabbione> nah
[08:40] <fabbione> leave only unstable
[08:40] <duncanm> oh
[08:40] <melazyboy> Is mrproper needed w/ 2.6.x?
[08:40] <fabbione> there might be problems if you do it differently
[08:41] <nevyn> mrproper shouldn't ever be needed if you're not hacking the kernel
[08:41] <duncanm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:41] <duncanm>   transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>30710-1.2) but it is not installable
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>= 1.701.0) but it is not installable
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.7) but <IP_ADDRESS>-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:41] <duncanm> eek
[08:42] <melazyboy> and does make clean only delete logs or does it delete the .config too?
[08:42] <duncanm> i have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and
[08:42] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:42] <duncanm> nevyn: is there a way to resolve this dependency?
[08:43] <nevyn> duncanm: :(
[08:44] <duncanm> nevyn: so no go?
[08:45] <duncanm> i thought i'd install debian because it'll be the easiest
[08:52] <duncanm> nevyn: so it's hopeless? ;-/
[08:52] <duncanm> SIGH
[08:53] <duncanm> ping pong...
[08:53] <nevyn> hrm
[08:54] <nevyn> duncanm: looks to me like it depends on things that are post ubuntu freeze.
[08:54] <melazyboy> man there isn't one good tutorial for compiling the linux kernel 2.6 and the new linux kernel howto from redhat fucking blows penis, talk about overly verbose and horribly organized
[08:54] <duncanm> nevyn: and there's no way to upgrade to the newer bits?
[08:58] <duncanm> dum de dum
[08:59] <melazyboy> duncanm: Whats up duncanm?
[08:59] <duncanm> melazyboy: i wanted to install dvdrip on warthy
[08:59] <duncanm> warty
[08:59] <duncanm> but it depends on post-freeze bits
[08:59] <duncanm> and i dunno if it's possible to update to the later bits
[09:00] <melazyboy> so what you did is bog down your sources.list with every repositiory out of despairity?
[09:00] <king_arthur> Kamion: I have a install problem with warty
[09:00] <duncanm> well
[09:01] <duncanm> i have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and
[09:01] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[09:01] <tyrano> man i got TONS of errors upgrading to hoary :|
[09:01] <duncanm> i thought i'd give it a go cuz i just didn't want to admin this machine
[09:01] <king_arthur> I am having problems with setting up the xserver on a Warty install
[09:02] <king_arthur> can anybody advise?
[09:02] <melazyboy> duncanm: who cares, get rid of them all with the exception of the universe which should stay warty, and the top which should be changed to 'hoary' the ubuntu equiv of unstable apt-get update, then dist-upgrade and upgrade and try again the dep should be met
[09:03] <duncanm> melazyboy: but it's a pretty big update, isn't it
[09:03] <duncanm> i was hoping to be using it to copy my DVDs by now
[09:03] <melazyboy> hrm try without upgrading you will still have to 'update' after you edit your sources.list
[09:04] <king_arthur> Kamion: I have a install problem with warty, can you help with a couple of tips?
[09:05] <king_arthur> Kamion: It's the xserver
[09:05] <melazyboy> whats your problem exactly arthur?
[09:05] <duncanm> melazyboy: like this?
[09:05] <duncanm> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:06] <melazyboy> duncanm: Exactly, and keep the warty univers uncommented, then run a sudo apt-get update and try to install that package, apt-get install pkgnamegoeshere
[09:07] <duncanm> so
[09:07] <duncanm> transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>30710-1.2) but it is not installable
[09:07] <duncanm> Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:08] <duncanm> that's better
[09:08] <melazyboy> hrm libquicktime
[09:08] <melazyboy> that sounds like some horseshit apple thing
[09:09] <melazyboy> one sec lets see where we can get that
[09:10] <duncanm> i see it in packages.debian.org/unstable/source/libquicktime
[09:10] <king_arthur> I am gettimg a "no screens found" error message from the xserver. anybody, any clues?
[09:10] <duncanm> king_arthur: what video card?
[09:11] <melazyboy> duncam add that then to your sources.list
[09:11] <king_arthur> duncanm: trident
[09:11] <duncanm> hrm
[09:11] <duncanm> king_arthur: i had an integrated graphics thing, and i fixed it by allocating more video memory
[09:11] <duncanm> king_arthur: but you're probably of a different case
[09:11] <melazyboy> deb http://packages.debian.org unstable source
[09:11] <king_arthur> duncanm: I tried dpkg-reconfigure
[09:12] <king_arthur> duncanm: didn't change a thing  :-(
[09:12] <duncanm> king_arthur: i'm new to using Debian
[09:13] <king_arthur> duncanm: :)
[09:13] <king_arthur> duncanm: welcome to the world of apt--get :)
[09:14] <melazyboy> king_arthur: configuring x is probably the second most difficult thing to configure by hand if dpkg didn't cut it there isn't much the best can suggest, if it said no screens found you might have to set to a legacy version of your moniter and video card in your xfree86_4.conf or whatever it is called
[09:14] <king_arthur> anyway, Debian  is no different dog than xserver
[09:15] <melazyboy> king_arthur: try running the command startx, and use its logging fetures to see what burned
[09:15] <king_arthur> melazyboy: have done thestartx stuff
[09:15] <melazyboy> king_arthur: And it doesn't error out with a more usefull message/
[09:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: tells me Screens ound but none have usable configuration
[09:16] <melazyboy> did you try x -configure?
[09:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: not yet
[09:16] <melazyboy> cat /var/log/Xfree.0.log
[09:17] <melazyboy> with a capital F
[09:17] <melazyboy> in free
[09:17] <king_arthur> melazyboy: let me try
[09:18] <melazyboy> you might have to lspci and install the latest video module or build it into the kernel x could shit out because of that as well
[09:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: lit says no such a file or directory
[09:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: trident is found though
[09:20] <king_arthur> melazyboy: in the dpkg-reconfigure I found all the correct parameters
[09:21] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I really have no idea what is happening =/ before when X was unable to install using dpkg, i simply moved too another distro, while i like debian the best i know what a pain in the ass both x and sendmail are to configure. and im simply to lazy, all i can say is verbose error messages into google are your friend =/
[09:21] <king_arthur> melazyboy: thanks :(
[09:22] <king_arthur> melazyboy: problem might be there are two video cards however, trident is found and correctly located into it's right h/w address
[09:24] <melazyboy> no idea, your problem is way above typical linux user q/a, my best suggestion would be verbose error msges into google, linuxquestions.com or newsgroups your probably going to have to find a die hard x guru or a dev to answer specific x questions =/
[09:25] <melazyboy> not to say your problem is specific to your -- just to say that the percentage of people that have any minor x problem is usually so miniscual that hunting them down is near impossible
[09:27] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I know, I have been installing Debian from the "potato" times
[09:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy:sometimes it' s a real pain in the butt :(
[09:28] <melazyboy> yea im along time deb fan as well, but only recently started using debian for workstations
[09:28] <duncanm> Failed to fetch http://packages.debian.org/dists/unstable/source/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[09:28] <duncanm> melazyboy: so that didn't work
[09:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy:I know all about hate and love affair with debian,,, :0)
[09:28] <duncanm> oh oh
[09:28] <duncanm> deb-src, probably
[09:29] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I change distros because i get pissed off at design functionality of another distro, as just recentlky i had a problem with yoper that caused a dev to suggest a reinstall, so i installed another distro, decented to try ubuntu seemed promacing
[09:29] <duncanm> i think i'm giving up
[09:29] <melazyboy> duncanm whats up you can get debian unstable in your repos?
[09:30] <duncanm> melazyboy: i dunno, i just did what you suggested
[09:30] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I'll stick to Ubuntu the best I found so far, this problem is h/w related on an old Pentium I for a friend
[09:30] <mojo> YES! YES! I found out why RealPlayer doesnt start up on Hoary!
[09:30] <mojo> YES!
[09:30] <mojo> That's the SWF plugin
[09:30] <melazyboy> duncanm: You know your problem...
[09:31] <attifinch> im nto really like realplayer 10 for linux
[09:31] <mojo> Please just remove swfformat.so and swfrender.so in plugins folder of RealPlayer!
[09:31] <attifinch> wish it was more like real one
[09:31] <king_arthur> boys I have got some work to do now, see you around, melazy still willing to send you invitation bye
[09:31] <melazyboy> duncanm: packages.debian.org does not have /dists/ =D
[09:31] <melazyboy> use your web browser to find the locations =D
[09:31] <duncanm> so...
[09:31] <duncanm> of the dsc file?
[09:32] <melazyboy> so Failed to fetch packages.debian.org/dists/unstable, will inevidably yeild a 404 when there is no dist dir in packages.debian.org
[09:32] <duncanm> so...
[09:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) use a proper url
[09:33] (crimsun/#ubuntu) [for instance, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free]
[09:37] <melazyboy> duncanm ok i got the line working that you need
[09:37] <duncanm> melazyboy: how do you figure it out?
[09:37] <duncanm> i'm a total newbie when it comes to debian
[09:37] <melazyboy> so try this before you give up, simple add this line to your sources.list
[09:38] <melazyboy> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib main non-free
[09:38] <melazyboy> aparently debian adds the dist after the last part of the url string, it then runs spiders through the rest of the args as dirs
[09:38] <melazyboy> that should add the newest and greatest debian respository to your list
[09:39] <melazyboy> libquicktime1 is listed.
[09:40] <melazyboy> apt-cache showpkg libquicktime1, v 0.9.3-2
[09:40] <melazyboy> there do that and run an 'sudo apt-get update' and try installing your crpa again
[09:41] <melazyboy> got it?
[09:41] <duncanm> i had to startup the machine again
[09:41] <duncanm> it's updating now
[09:42] <Captain> hey guys I got an idea.  If warty is not liked by my imac, why not install hoary? How close to stable is hoary?
[09:42] <melazyboy> thats not a subjective question or anything..
[09:43] <melazyboy> depends if your me, Hoary is overly stable.. its 100x greater than windows and more secure
[09:43] <melazyboy> If you wear a tin foil hat when you watching the preview channel so as not to be mindwashed by the fat japenese guy selling ginko knives, chances are its far from acceptable..
[09:43] <duncanm> melazyboy: nice! now it's going
[09:43] <Captain> My companrison is OS X
[09:43] <melazyboy> **bows**
[09:44] <Captain> lol
[09:44] <melazyboy> Captain: Im sure its just as stable as OS X because OS X has no stability its all a gimmick
[09:44] <Captain> yes and no.
[09:45] <Captain> is OS X what jobs wants everyone to think it is? no
[09:45] <melazyboy> install hoary, you can't loose anything your imac already doesn't like warty right?
[09:45] <melazyboy> live dangerously
[09:45] <Captain> yes
[09:45] <Captain> true.  IT freezes a lot with warty, especially with xscreensaver
[09:46] <Captain> kernel panics too
[09:47] <melazyboy> upgrade...
[09:47] <melazyboy> I would
[09:47] <Captain> but I loved the speed.  This comp felt like a new one!  I just installed a ppc version of fedora and I miss apt-get (I learned out of all unlikly places on OS X with fink!)
[09:49] <melazyboy> ... hoary has apt-get and is faster than warty..
[09:49] <Captain> yum really sucks, its slow as hell.  I've been wondering why it has to download headers everytime you install remove something?
[09:50] <sid77> Captain, you can always run yum -C after the first header dl ;)
[09:50] <Captain> u got me there
[09:50] <sid77> anyway, ubuntu rocks
[09:52] <Captain> but thre are other problems, I can't believe that I actually had to hack my way to video accel with this rpm based distro whereas ubuntu just set it up.  I also had, not too much setting my rinter up with ubuntu and I think I had my usb scanner working too (even a problem on debian sarge and woody).
[09:53] <Captain> so yeah thre's a ton of potential
[09:55] <Captain> ka thanks guys, I just wanted some feedback. confirmation
[09:58] <Gmail> bob2: are you here?
[09:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) ?
[09:58] <king_arthur> melazyboy: hoary is NOT faster than warty
[09:58] <king_arthur> at least on my PC
[09:59] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Should be uses x.org and newer versions of all the libs
[09:59] <fabbione> this is a misconception
[09:59] <king_arthur> Is that the problem?
[09:59] <fabbione> new stuff != faster
[09:59] <fabbione> at all
[09:59] <fabbione> it never was and never will
[09:59] <melazyboy> ... your so smart...
[09:59] <fabbione> if it is faster you are lucky
[10:00] <king_arthur> fabbione: do you agree that hoary is slooow?
[10:00] <Gmail> bob2: i am /msg ya