[06:47] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Yo yo, dude!  When you're awake and available I'd like to ask things about your system re compiz freezes.
[07:39] <pitti> Good morning
[07:40] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, I certainly meant to turn off python-gtkspell in g-p-e; I just see that I have the change locally in bzr, but didn't upload it, apparently it didn't build or so
[07:40] <pitti> +DEB_DH_BUILDDEB_ARGS = -Npython-gtkspell
[07:40] <TheMuso> Hey pitti, how was your weekend?
[07:41] <pitti> TheMuso: quite nice indeed, thanks! how are you?
[07:41] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:41] <TheMuso> pitti: Well thanks.
[07:47] <pitti> Sweetshark: sponsoring bug 753584 ? that's already marked as fixed, is that wrong?
[07:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 753584 in hundredpapercuts "New Libre office icons are used in the launcher but not in Nautilus / Dash search results" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753584
[07:49] <pitti> DBO: can I assign bug 758154 to you? what's your launchpad ID? (It's impossible to search for "Jason Smith", and DBO doesn't return results)
[07:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 758154 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGABRT in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758154
[07:50] <DBO> pitti, jassmith
[07:50] <DBO> pitti, that should be fixed also
[07:50] <DBO> whats the most recent report?
[07:50] <pitti> DBO: cheers
[07:50] <pitti> DBO: 2011-04-13, bamfdaemon 0.2.86-0ubuntu1
[07:50] <pitti> we have ubuntu3
[07:51] <DBO> too old
[07:51] <DBO> fix is newer than that
[07:51] <pitti> DBO: we got fixes for bug 761372 and bug 754225 since then
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761372 in unity "compiz assert failure: *** glibc detected *** compiz: double free or corruption (out): 0x0a1c5a38 ***" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761372
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 754225 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGABRT in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754225
[07:51] <pitti> ah, dupe of 754225
[07:51] <pitti> DBO: yay, closing then
[07:52] <DBO> yeah
[07:52] <DBO> bamf should never crash
[07:52] <DBO> ever
[07:52] <DBO> because I programmed it, therefor it has no bugs (I believe this to be true)
[07:52] <pitti> must have been an apport bug then, clearly!
[07:53] <pitti> DBO: yay retroactive bug fixing
[07:55] <didrocks> good morning
[07:58] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: so LibO ready to go?
[07:58] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[07:58] <pitti> didrocks: I'm great, thanks! how about you?
[07:59] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine as well, still a very nice weather for a couple of weeks already ;)
[08:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, take it from chinstrap.
[08:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm, I will still have to generate a l10n dsc ...
[08:09] <Sweetshark> anyway, LibO can be sponsored already.
[08:25] <mvo> glatzor: I see nice fixes in your branch, should I wait for more or upload now?
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:31] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded, thanks
[08:31] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:32] <pitti> I'm great, thanks!
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, good thanks. a bit tired though. we had quite a long day visiting family yesterday
[08:35] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks! Still on the week-end bug mail though ;)
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[08:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= firefox
[08:39] <pitti> that doesn't seem to work?
[08:39] <pitti> (I really need the ffox menu, but it isn't displayed at all right now)
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, that's an appmenu-gtk thing ;)
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> for firefox, you need to turn off the extension. i didn't provide any other way to disable it
[08:39] <pitti> ah, thanks
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> how come the menu isn't displayed?
[08:40] <pitti> about:extensions doesn't work; can I get to that in any other way?
[08:40] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't know
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[08:40] <pitti> it sometimes does that after unity crashes, but this time it didn't, I think
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> did you try restarting unity-panel-service?
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> these cases should be fixed now :(
[08:42] <pitti> doesn't seem to help
[08:42] <pitti> I don't even see close/min/max buttons
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> oh
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> i've seen that before too. it seems something in unity gets messed up :/
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> if you drag it from the panel and un-maximize it, it doesn't get any window border does it?
[08:44] <pitti> drag from the panel?
[08:45] <pitti> if I press alt+f10, it does get borders
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> is the firefox window maximized?
[08:47] <Sweetshark> \o/ beautiful LibreOffice icons on the desktop ...
[08:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes
[08:51] <cdbs> Sweetshark: thanks to vish :)
[09:06] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:10] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:10] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:11] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, seb128
[09:12] <seb128> hey didrocks, rodrigo_
[09:12] <seb128> how are you?
[09:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, a bit sleepy still :)  and you, had a good weekend?
[09:15] <seb128> yes, a quite relaxing one ;-)
[09:15] <rodrigo_> good :)
[09:15] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:16] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thanks! had a nice weekend?
[09:16] <pitti> ah, you said
[09:16] <pitti> I spent the Sunday with packing boxes again :)
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, indeed, a quite relaxing one ;-)
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, when do you move?
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: April 30
[09:16] <seb128> end of the month?
[09:16] <seb128> ok
[09:17] <seb128> it's getting close!
[09:17] <pitti> yeah
[09:17] <rodrigo_> pitti, oh, where do you move to?
[09:17] <seb128> you will barely have time to unpack before going to UDS
[09:17] <pitti> we'll arrive in Augsburg at Sat evening, and on Sun morning I'll hop into the train to Budapest
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: right, but over Easter weekend is bad, and we need to clear the old flat by mid-May
[09:17] <TheMuso> pitti: Oh wow you're moving!
[09:17] <TheMuso> Hope it goes well, I've been through it a few times myself.
[09:18] <pitti> heh; will be my 4th time as well
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, isn't eastern next weekend and the 30 the one after that?
[09:18] <pitti> right
[09:18] <TheMuso> Easter is next week end, at least for us in Australia...
[09:19] <seb128> then uds a week after that as well?
[09:19] <pitti> I'm not quite sure why UDS and sprint are so early this cycle
[09:19] <rodrigo_> no Thursday/Friday easter holiday?
[09:19] <pitti> UDS is back-to-back with the release
[09:19] <pitti> we won't have any time for merging etc.
[09:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: Fri/Mon are holidays here
[09:20] <rodrigo_> pitti, ah, thought Spain was the only one having that :)
[09:20] <rodrigo_> Thu/Fri and Mon here
[09:21] <TheMuso> In New South Wales this year, its Friday, Monday, and Tuesday, because of Anzac Day on Monday.
[09:21] <TheMuso> Not sure about other states.
[09:21] <RAOF> You softies.
[09:21] <Sweetshark> cdbs, vish: indeed. Many thanks your way for that.
[09:21] <RAOF> We don't get Tuesday in Tasmania :)
[09:22] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ah that sucks.
[09:23] <didrocks> RAOF: we don't get Friday neither here! Just Monday
[09:24] <RAOF> didrocks: Sucks even more!
[09:24] <didrocks> yeah :-)
[09:25] <TheMuso> A 5 days, its just starting to get long enough that by the end, the desire to return to work las lessened. :p
[09:25] <TheMuso> At 5 days
[09:26] <TheMuso> s/las/has/
[09:26] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:39] <Sweetshark> didrocks: In germany, a lot of public holidays depend on the region. The historically catholic regions get quite a few more. Which is pretty annoying, but probably not worth another 30 years of war ...
[09:39] <pitti> in fact, I heard that Augsburg even has one extra holiday, on top of the already numerous Bavarian holidays..
[09:40]  * pitti will become an even bigger slacker
[09:41] <TheMuso> heh
[09:48]  * Sweetshark notes that the "dance prohibition" over easter is still legally in place in Hamburg, even though some radio station make to whole weekend to one big party.
[09:52] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, any reason why Empathy3 is not build with webkit in gnome3 ppa?
[09:53] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, hmm, no, no idea, maybe because it needs a newer webkit, like epiphany
[09:54] <rodrigo_> ricotz should know better
[09:54] <rodrigo_> but I guess it's because of that
[09:54] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, it build fine here
[09:55] <rodrigo_> let me see the branch...
[09:55] <xclaesse> ah, non, actually it fails because of webkit, sorry
[09:55] <xclaesse> /usr/include/webkit-3.0/webkit/webkitapplicationcache.h:28:1: error: function declaration isn't a prototype
[09:56] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ah, so it needs a newer version, right?
[09:56] <xclaesse> webkit header seems broken
[09:56] <rodrigo_> ah
[09:57] <xclaesse> WEBKIT_API unsigned long long
[09:57] <xclaesse> webkit_application_cache_get_maximum_size(); --> missing a void
[09:58] <rodrigo_> is that fixed upstream?
[09:59] <xclaesse> I've no idea
[10:00] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll have a look later
[10:00] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, FYI, I added that (void) and now empathy master builds fine with webkit
[10:01] <xclaesse> so the fix for the ppa is trivial
[10:01] <xclaesse> just need to get it upstream
[10:04] <didrocks> Amaranth: http://lwn.net/Articles/438844/, FYI a long press is also valid
[10:14] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ok
[10:14] <tjaalton> hmm, am I right that the wider grab area of the windows is the reason for bug 762335
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762335 in compiz "if window is touching the edge, compiz thinks it's on both desktops" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762335
[10:15] <RAOF> I guess that fsck.btrfs being run on every boot is a bug which I should file :/
[10:15] <tjaalton> also, if you have two overlapping windows and move the cursor slowly over the border of the top window, it'll start "flashing" the focus between the windows
[10:16] <tjaalton> trying to find if that's filed already
[10:16] <tjaalton> a big minus to the "borderless" windows from here :/
[10:18] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, can you provide a merge proposal with that fix in for our gnome3 package branch then?
[10:20] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, I don't even have the source code of webkit
[10:20] <xclaesse> just patched in /usr/include manually :P
[10:20] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, ok
[10:34] <pitti> seb128: right, but over Easter weekend is bad, and we need to clear the old flat by mid-Maydata/incomplete-language-support-gnome.note.in ?
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, right, I see
[10:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: do you think that you can fix bug 649809 this week? (as it's currently marked RC for natty)
[10:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809
[10:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: or asked the other way around, how many people does that actually affect? should it actually be a release blocker?
[10:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, I'm working on it, reviewing again and again the culprit patch, so yes, I hope to have it fixed very soon
[10:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: ok, keeping it on the list then; thanks!
[10:37] <rodrigo_> pitti, only a couple of people are affected, afaik from the bug's comments
[10:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: I'll downgrade it to medium then (i. e. target of opportunity, SRUable, but doesn't block the release)
[10:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, pitti: I don't think it's a blocker, fixing it at least in a SRU would be nice
[10:39] <pitti> I agree
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, it seemed a race on modern hardware and having no g-s-d is suboptimal and people get modern hardware over time so it feeled like worth targetting
[10:40] <seb128> but seems to turn out it's not only a race, like seems to affect only some users
[10:41] <rodrigo_> yes, the upstream fix seems to work for most people
[10:41] <rodrigo_> but anyway, hope to have it fixed today or tomorrow
[10:41] <rodrigo_> just need to review for the 100th time the patch and find the spot :)
[10:43] <bigon> pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619257 << any clue why you have added python-apt-dbg in the build-dep?
[10:43] <ubot2> Debian bug 619257 in pygobject "pygobject: [patch] fix test suite run during build" [Normal,Fixed]
[10:43] <didrocks> pitti: thanks for the FFe/UIe hack (even if it's reverting back :/)
[10:44] <pitti> bigon: we also run the tests in the -dbg build directory
[10:44] <pitti> bigon: and something in the dependencies uses apt apparetnly
[10:44] <bigon> ah ok
[10:45] <pitti> it's weird indeed, but I haven't examined this very deeply
[10:45] <pitti> just got the exception which complained about the missing module
[10:45] <bigon> I've been asked about this by the debian python team
[10:48] <pitti> well, if it gets in the way, just drop it; right now failed tests don't cause an FTBFS
[10:49] <pitti> or drop it temporarily until the 2.7 transition has settled down?
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bug 438868 has regressed in natty with a recent compiz or unity change
[11:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in kile "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> firefox seems to be unusable again after the screensaver activates
[12:02] <bigon> pitti: mmm the pkg also build fine without the python-apt
[12:02] <pitti> bigon: did you get test case failures?
[12:05] <bigon> I did a 'grep -i apt' in the buildlog an I saw nothing
[12:07] <pitti> bigon: I mean any test failures in the -dbg builds which don't happen in the non-dbg ones?
[12:07] <pitti> I didn't really expect it either, I just got a crash on something which p-apt provided
[12:07] <pitti> but maybe that got fixed in the meantime
[12:30] <rodrigo_> hmm, danilo reports that webkit 1.3.13.orig.tar.gz is different in Debian than in Ubuntu
[12:33] <asac> what is strange that after upgrading to natty if feels like my thinkpad backlight at max level isn't as bright as it was before
[12:33] <asac> is there a setting i can tweak/fix to get that corrected? or is that just my memory playing games with me?
[12:33] <ogra_> apt-get remove LCD-sunglass ?
[12:34] <asac> lol
[12:34]  * asac checks if he has a *sunglass* package
[12:34] <ogra_> heh
[12:34] <asac> nope
[12:34] <asac> not there
[12:35]  * asac gets something to clean the screen ... maybe its just dirty
[12:35] <asac> but it definitly was far dirtier in the past
[12:35] <ogra_> probably it was less opaque dirt back then ;)
[12:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you have a lo-l10n upload available? that'll be the last step for bug 740815
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740815 in xulrunner-2.0 "[FFe] Updates to enable us to drop xulrunner from main" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740815
[12:40]  * pitti watches chrisccoulson smile
[12:45] <asac> yay, xul out of main ;)
[12:48] <Sweetshark> pitti: I have a dsc and it is still building in pbuilder.
[12:49] <pitti> ah, thanks
[12:50] <Sweetshark> the only thing changed in l10n is adding icelandic. So the risk would be pretty low. I will copy it to chintrap now ...
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> awesome, is it gone now then? :)
[13:11]  * rodrigo_ -> lunch
[13:16] <ogra_> seb128, is there a reason why nothing in gconf ships a trigger for update-gconf-defaults ? seems a lot cleaner than having to call that from postinst scripts when adding gconf overrides
[13:18] <seb128> ogra_, it was done before dpkg triggers and nobody added it since and gconf is deprecated
[13:18] <seb128> but feel free to do a patch for it next cycle
[13:18] <ogra_> ah, unity-2d uses it all over the place still
[13:18] <ogra_> well, if its dead i wont bother :)
[13:18] <seb128> we will aim at moving gconf out of the CD next cycle
[13:18] <ogra_> just struck me that a trigger is saner than a maintainer script
[13:19] <seb128> well it's not like what we have was not working
[13:19] <ogra_> indeed
[13:33] <fagan> got a small bug in the sound indicator for banshee and rhythmbox
[13:34] <fagan> im playing a song in rb and the current song is being displayed as if it was playing banshee and the previous song is in rb
[13:34] <fagan> ill get a screen
[13:38] <fagan> http://ubuntuone.com/p/nKb/
[13:39] <fagan> kenvandine: ^
[13:39] <Sweetshark> pitti: hold it with the l10n upload, I fubared that maybe.
[13:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: ok
[13:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: well, hopefully not the "bar" part :)
[13:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: there is hope still
[13:42] <Sweetshark> ;)
[13:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: what do I need to do to see LibreOffice private bugs? It is really annoying to get public bug that apport identifies as dupes of a private one, resulting in a "this is a dupe of bug foo, here is the link that you arent allowed to open" mail, leaving me fappergasted with a "wtf? I wanna have a look at the stacktrace!"
[14:03] <didrocks> pitti: can you have a look at bug #748676? The code change isn't risky
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748676 in unity "UIFe: Unity Dash button does not give adequate feedback" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748676
[14:17] <seb128> mterry, hi
[14:18] <seb128> mterry, bug #752959 seems to be something quite some users run into, can you try to make it next on your todolist?
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[14:23] <pitti> didrocks: Mark already kind of signed it off, so that's fine
[14:24] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I added the ubuntu-doc team then. Thanks
[14:35] <kenvandine> how do folks feel about completely removing gir1.2-indicate-gtk-0.5 at this point in the cycle?  it has no rdepends and having it installed completely breaks anything that uses gir1.2-indicate-0.5
[14:35] <kenvandine> and not simple to fix
[14:35] <kenvandine> they share a namespace
[14:36] <kenvandine> seb128, pitti: ^^
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm fine dropping it
[14:37] <seb128> seems like it's not usuable now so nobody should be relying on it
[14:37] <kenvandine> right
[14:37] <kenvandine> and it has no rdepends...
[14:38] <pitti> kenvandine: I see no problem with dropping it
[14:38] <kenvandine> i have a fix for libindicate's broken vapi file, i'll upload that today and add a Replaces/Breaks
[14:39] <kenvandine> pitti, it's an odd case, it adds a couple functions for libindicate, but no objects you would ever use
[14:39] <kenvandine> so it can't be used on it's own
[14:48] <aquarius>  I've just upgraded, and I get "Update standard folders to current language?" which seems to want to move my Desktop folder to Downloads. What's that all about? I haven't changed my language, and I don't think I wat my Desktop folder moved
[14:50] <seb128> aquarius, seems mdz got it as well, do you have right now?
[14:50] <fagan> kenvandine: did you get my ping earlier about the sound menu?
[14:51] <kenvandine> fagan, no...
[14:51] <kenvandine> what's up?
[14:51] <aquarius> seb128, I do have it right now; I have carefully not closed the window in case anyone had questions about it :)
[14:51] <fagan> kenvandine: Im getting a weird issue when I play songs in rb
[14:52] <fagan> ill show you a screen
[14:52] <fagan> kenvandine: http://ubuntuone.com/p/nKb/
[14:52] <seb128> aquarius, what do you have in .config/user-dirs.locale
[14:52] <seb128> ?
[14:52] <fagan> kenvandine: it puts the currently playing song in banshee and the previous song in rb
[14:53] <fagan> so its a little bit of a funny bug
[14:53] <aquarius> seb128, en_US
[14:53] <aquarius> seb128, which is annoying, since I shouldn't have :)
[14:54] <seb128> aquarius, env | grep LC_
[14:54] <aquarius> seb128, also note that on my machine that's ~/Applications/Settings/user-dirs.locale (because I've set my xdg folders differently).
[14:54] <aquarius> seb128, LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.utf8
[14:54] <seb128> ok
[14:54] <seb128> so you did change your locale ;-)
[14:54] <seb128> g_build_filename (g_get_user_config_dir (),
[14:54] <seb128> 			       "user-dirs.locale", NULL);
[14:54] <seb128> aquarius, ^ that should handle your dir fine
[14:54] <seb128> (that's what the code do)
[14:55] <kenvandine> fagan, weird!  file a bug on that and point me at it
[14:55] <kenvandine> please
[14:55] <fagan> kenvandine: kk
[14:55] <seb128> aquarius, what do you have in user-dirs.dirs?
[14:55] <kenvandine> so white wedding was the previous song?
[14:56] <fagan> kenvandine: oh crap I mean the other way around
[14:56] <kenvandine> ok
[14:56] <fagan> it fleetwood mac was the previous
[14:56] <kenvandine> just describe it in the bug :)
[14:56] <fagan> yeah
[14:56] <kenvandine> and banshee isn't even running right?
[14:56] <fagan> kenvandine: correct
[14:57] <aquarius> seb128, user-dirs.dirs is http://paste.ubuntu.com/595521/
[14:57] <aquarius> seb128, it is quite possible that I did change my locale in the past and did it wrong (or did it right but only did half the work) but if I did it was *ages* ago. :)
[14:58] <aquarius> blimey, there's a lot of stuff in ~/.config which needs bugs filing about not hardcoding ~/.config as the path. :-)
[14:58] <fagan> kenvandine: and this is in natty with all updates install btw
[14:59] <fagan> Bug #764657
[14:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764657 in indicator-sound "rhythmbox is displaying the current song in banshee's indicator and the previous song in its indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764657
[15:00] <seb128> aquarius, ok, so upstream doesn't have a en_GB locale and we got one recently from the launchpad translation export
[15:00] <seb128> aquarius, which explain why you just go the dialog
[15:01] <seb128> aquarius, it detected a locale mismatch with the config and what you use and found a translation for the new one so asked if you want to use that
[15:01] <aquarius> seb128, OK. I mean, I'm happy, I can deal with it. What's more concerning is that my dad would have no idea what it means, and that the dialog says "You have logged in in a new language" which suggests that I changed something, when I didn't.
[15:01] <aquarius> seb128, I think this is bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/209513
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 209513 in xdg-user-dirs "After upgrade, "Update standard folders to current language" threatens to rename your home folder" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:05] <seb128> aquarius, right that dialog is suboptimal, especially if you consider en_US and en_GB which are not very different language
[15:05] <seb128> aquarius, it's meant to be a "first login is in english because your language is not on the CD, you install the langpack, restart the session and it asks if you want those folders in your locale"
[15:06] <aquarius> seb128, yeah, that was my thought. The dialog is all "you changed something and it's broken things" and I'm all "I didn't change anything! don't move my desktop folder!", which is why I thought I'd mention it :)
[15:08] <seb128> ;-)
[15:08] <seb128> aquarius, the wording is confusing, is that an old install upgraded?
[15:08] <aquarius> seb128, yep. this machine was originally hardy, when I bought it, and has been upgraded through all the releases up to the very latest :)
[15:08] <seb128> aquarius, did you close the dialog btw? or can you screenshot it?
[15:09] <seb128> aquarius, I think what it tries to tell you is that it will rename the "download" dir from desktop (which we used to set it to) to downloads
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin,
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks for fixing the guest-session code I proposed. Stupid of me to miss filenames starting with dots. :(
[15:10] <GunnarHj> pitti: The idea struck me when writing a help doc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty/view/head:/gnome-help/C/shell-guest-session.page
[15:10] <pitti> hey GunnarHj; no probl3em
[15:12] <aquarius> seb128, dialog screenshot at http://ubuntuone.com/p/nLD/
[15:13] <seb128> aquarius, right, it's a confusing dialog
[15:13] <seb128> aquarius, it wants to makes you download location point to Downloads rather than Desktop
[15:13] <aquarius> seb128, yeah, that's what I think it's doing. However, I like my downloads going onto my desktop, so I'm OK with saying "Keep Old Names", except...will this screw up a future upgrade? Will I get asked many times to rename it until I give in? It's worrying :)
[15:14] <seb128> aquarius, so in summary "that dialog sucks we know but it shouldn't show for lot of users"
[15:14] <seb128> aquarius, you can click "keep it", it will update the stored locale do be en_GB and will not display it until next time you change locale ;-)
[15:15] <aquarius> seb128, ok. I think the bug report covers most of the issues, so I'll affects-me-too the bug and leave it at that
[15:15] <seb128> aquarius, thanks
[15:15] <aquarius> seb128, cheers for helping with my confusion :)
[15:15] <seb128> yw ;-)
[15:33] <mterry> seb128, whoah, sorry for late reply to your ping about bug 752959 (using a different computer today and not used to notifications).  I can look at it
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[15:33] <seb128> mterry, no worry, I can understand you have enough of my ping by now and put me in your ignore list :p
[15:34] <seb128> did you check if ted if he has any idea about this one?
[15:34] <seb128> tedg, ^
[15:35]  * tedg was glad mterry was looking at that one ;-)
[15:35] <seb128> mterry, one bug said it stopped happening after uninstalling the overlay scrollbars but that seems a bit weird, I still added the info to the bug in case
[15:35] <tedg> The only thing I could think of is that we're not getting the XID of the window and thus making a bad path.
[15:36] <tedg> Perhaps we need to handle that.
[15:36] <seb128> tedg, ^ if you didn't read the scrollbar comment
[15:36] <seb128> not sure if the scrollbars could mess on what has the focus
[15:36] <tedg> Yeah, we should just disable those ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> or on what xid you get
[15:37] <tedg> It shouldn't... as we're just asking GTK for the info.
[15:37] <tedg> It might be a race of some sort that's getting adjusted.
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> mvo, if i want to install a handler for a particular mimetype (say, a browser plugin), can I do this with sessioninstaller?
[15:45] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, so you dont want to switch to dillo as default in oneric ? why is that ?
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, NO :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[15:45] <ogra_> :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> ogra_ - you saw my response then?
[15:46] <ogra_> yep, indeed
[15:54] <mvo> chrisccoulson: yeah, that should work
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> mvo - cool, thanks!
[15:56] <Sweetshark> pitti: I might have found the issue in l10n. pbuilding now to confirm
[16:02] <Sweetshark> dillo sucks. lynx is the one true browser!
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, you should come to the default browser session at UDS then
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we will have lynx as default ;)
[16:07] <asac> i guess the fact that i see the tray symbol of twinkle floating below the global menubar is by-design?
[16:10] <nessita> hi seb128! in bug #761731 I think you missed the fact that the scroll bar is indeed required, see how the "Show me my Ubuntu One folder" is not complete in the screenshot
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761731 in ubuntuone-control-panel "displays scrollbars by default when not required" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761731
[16:11] <seb128> nessita, hey, sorry if the "not required" was not rightly worded but the dialog takes half of the vertical screen space so I would rather like to see the dialog taking a few extra pixels and not having a scrollbar ;-)
[16:13] <nessita> seb128: I see. The problem is that once you install the package, you will get more stuff there, and we want to avoid resizing the contents, so we need to save that space beforehand
[16:13] <nessita> seb128: not sure if my explanation makes sense :-/
[16:13] <seb128> nessita, well it seems that with 15 extra pixels you would have no scrollbar displayed but they would still display later if required, anyway it's a detail
[16:14] <seb128> nessita, the first time I had a lot of empty space, like half the scrollarea widget but it didn't happen again when I tried again for the screeenshot
[16:14] <nessita> seb128: right, but that is highly dependent on the font (size, dpi) you're using, so we should not rely on that...
[16:16] <nessita> seb128: we have another bug reporting that some of the widgets are not properly drawn in the services tab, see bug #750309
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 750309 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Services tab layout doesn't work right" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750309
[16:16] <nessita> seb128: maybe that was the issue you are referrring to?
[16:18] <seb128> nessita, no, but it seems like it's doing some show,hide on start, I can see the scrollbar being half scrolled for a one second and then it switches to the normal position
[16:18] <seb128> nessita, but don't worry about it, just close my bug
[16:18] <nessita> seb128: ok! /me loves closing bugs :-P
[16:19] <seb128> ;-)
[16:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i think we need to revisit galeon, actually
[16:20] <desrt> chrisccoulson: it's really a great browser
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> desrt, we don't even have that in the archive any more ;)
[16:21] <desrt> chrisccoulson: and with the increased testing that it would get, i'm sure it would improve quite a lot!
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> :)
[16:21] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i didn't know that "in the archive" was a requirement
[16:21]  * desrt walks away mumbling... fascists...
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> desrt, it definitely wouldn't be difficult for us to support. it doesn't seem to have had a release for over 4 years, which means that it is zero maintenance :)
[16:23] <desrt> no need to worry about the security update policy
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> so, midori, anyone?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[16:24] <gord> no Mosaic fans?
[16:24] <desrt> NCSA A-OK!
[16:24]  * desrt now knows what posterboard he needs to get printed to bring to the session
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> i think there will be a lot of suggestions at the session ;)
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> desrt - are you going to be at UDS?
[16:26] <desrt> yup, times two.
[16:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: default browser session again?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> asac - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002885.html
[16:28] <asac> chrisccoulson: what are the odds that ffox gets demoted? anyone important really pushing for chromium still?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> i just posted quite a lengthy reply
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> asac - there isn't really anyone pushing atm
[16:29] <desrt> i'll be in the session arguing for firefox
[16:29] <desrt> google already controls enough of my life :)
[16:29] <asac> bah
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002988.html was my response
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> desrt, \o/
[16:30] <asac> lets hope that was ok ;) ... otherwise you should hide at UDS ;)
[16:31] <desrt> i really intend to bring up the topic of which software is developed by a better process
[16:31] <desrt> and by better i do mean 'more in line with how we all wish the world could be'
[16:31] <desrt> the mozilla guys are doing it absolutely right
[16:32] <asac> firefox user-experience wins all pitches for everony seriously looking still ... ;)
[16:32] <asac> yeah
[16:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: good!
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, did you decide on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh/+bug/762286
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762286 in zsh "Please merge zsh 4.3.11-4 from Debian" [Wishlist,New]
[16:43] <seb128> ?
[16:43] <seb128> it's in the sponsoring queue and I'm not sure what to do with it
[16:43] <pitti> no strong opinion, but should be ok to upload; the PPA built, and Daniel tested it a bit
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, it migrated to testing in debian as well
[16:44] <seb128> pitti, ok, let's upload then, thanks
[16:44] <pitti> ah, good
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/709494
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709494 in ubuntu-sso-client/stable-1-0 "[SRU] Missing user's name field" [High,Fix committed]
[17:02] <kenvandine> pitti, i've uploaded libindicate, would be great to get that pushed through
[17:02] <pitti> kenvandine: done
[17:03] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[17:35] <rickspencer3> bryceh, I'm interested in the status of the i915 external monitor bug, when you get back
[17:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, around?
[17:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: hello again
[18:35] <bryceh> rickspencer3, pete's bug or another?
[18:36] <rickspencer3> bryceh, silbs' actually
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti, it seems that icedtea-web is build-depending on xulrunner-dev again btw
[18:42] <pitti> without an alternative? *sigh*
[18:42] <pitti> sorry, need to go, time for sports; see you tomorrow!
[18:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I thought that already was fixed?
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it looks like it got dropped though :(
[18:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: see #devel
[18:45]  * pitti runs
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[18:47] <bryceh> rickspencer3, looks like we needed some data captured before/after the blank screen, which we're still waiting on from silbs, but another reporter who thinks they have the same problem gave the files so we sent those upstream.
[18:48] <rickspencer3> urk
[18:48] <rickspencer3> bryceh, given where we are in the cycle, is this something we can fix in an SRU?
[18:48]  * rickspencer3 shivers
[18:48] <bryceh> and it turned out the other person's data was useless anyway (same data before and after, which sounds not right)
[18:48] <rickspencer3> bryceh, so you need silbs to respond?
[18:49] <rickspencer3> I can ping her if you want
[18:49] <rickspencer3> she can't be the only one having this issue
[18:49] <bryceh> rickspencer3, the bug is going to be a kernel issue, so will require a kernel patch, and so it falls into kernel team policies as far as getting an SRU in
[18:49] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ack
[18:49] <rickspencer3> so, if didn't SRU we'd need to put a special kernel in a PPA?
[18:49] <rickspencer3> ouch
[18:50] <rickspencer3> bryceh, want me to ask silbs to grab the info you need?
[18:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I haven't seen that many blank screen arrandale bugs that match what she's seeing; blank screen bugs *tend* to be fairly hardware specific though
[18:50] <rickspencer3> bryceh, interesting
[18:51] <rickspencer3> well, it's only when she's trying to use an external monitor
[18:51] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yes; I assumed from mdz's post that he was going to help gather it but no recent reply from him - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/747205/comments/34
[18:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] Black screen on all outputs when external VGA is connected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:52] <rickspencer3> affects 7 people and 3 dupes :/
[18:52] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ah yes and of course no sooner did I say that previous line than I spot two other similar bugs
[18:53] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:54] <mdz> bryceh, how can I help with 747205
[18:54] <bryceh> mdz, can you collect the files mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/747205/comments/34 ?
[18:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747205 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] Black screen on all outputs when external VGA is connected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:54] <bryceh> mdz, another reporter provided the files but they weren't usable (and we'd rather have authentic data from the original reporter anyway)
[18:55] <mdz> bryceh, ok, can do
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, hmm I'm wondering if this is a recent kernel regression, because like I said I hadn't been seeing these types of bugs for a while and now a bunch seem to have sprung up
[18:58] <rickspencer3> bryceh, only in i915?
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, guess today I'll investigate these reports
[18:58] <bryceh> rickspencer3, arrandale
[18:59] <rickspencer3> dang it
[18:59] <rickspencer3> ok bryceh, I guess we'll have to start thinking about kernel SRUs to pick up fixes
[18:59] <bryceh> from what I can tell silbs' system is arrandale not i915?
[18:59] <rickspencer3> would be great to know specifically what is going on
[18:59] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yeah
[19:00] <rickspencer3> bryceh, ooh, I dunno, I thought it was i915 based on what lspci said
[19:00] <rickspencer3> but looking at the bug
[19:00] <bryceh> rickspencer3, wish we had someone on the kernel side dedicated to graphics...  I feel like I'm just a pinch hitter sometimes with KMS bugs now days
[19:01] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, it would be good to get to the bottom of this for a next step, anyway
[19:01] <bryceh> rickspencer3, we've been having a LOT of problems relating to arrandale this cycle... previously it was freezes
[19:02] <bryceh> we'd assumed sandybridge would be the problematic one, and a few of us X guys got ahold of SB systems to prepare for that
[19:03] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, there seem to be enough dupes that you should be able to get to the bottom of this, and we can start planning a fix :/
[19:03] <rickspencer3> I think the computers work other than the lack of the external monitor
[19:03] <rickspencer3> at least I hope so
[19:03]  * rickspencer3 steps away
[19:04] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yep will do.  I'll go through the other reports today and see if I can find an active tester to help us.  And see what other info is at hand.
[19:04] <rickspencer3> thanks man
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> note to self - don't open my daughters bedroom door to check she's asleep after she's only been quiet for a couple of minutes
[20:01] <nessita> hello crowd, any idea why aptdaemon is failing when requesting an install with NameError: global name 'trans' is not defined? full trace https://pastebin.canonical.com/46282/
[20:01] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: haha  :)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> hi tremolux :)
[20:02] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: howdy!
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> my daughter is going crazy tonight, she just doesn't want to go to sleep
[20:02] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: how old is she now?
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> tremolux, she's 17 months old now
[20:04] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: heh, both my kids were like that too when they were little  :)  that's why your comment hit home
[20:04] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: time to read her another story sounds like  ;)
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:08] <fagan> ronoc: hey, I filed that bug about the sound menu do you need any more info from me?
[20:09] <fagan> About it displaying in both the rb and banshee slots to be more exact
[20:09] <ronoc> fagan, yeah, looks odd. the sound service for each player makes sure to its own instance of the particular mpris object
[20:09] <ronoc> fagan, i can't reproduce it, can you each time ?
[20:09] <fagan> ronoc: its happening every time for me
[20:10] <fagan> but its only for rb not for banshee
[20:10] <didrocks> good night everyone
[20:10] <fagan> so it might be something to do with rb
[20:10] <ronoc> fagan, right so banshee is not running, you start rb and then the bug can be seen ?
[20:10] <fagan> ronoc: give me a sec and ill do it
[20:11] <ronoc> i'll try also
[20:12]  * fagan just made sure both were down
[20:12] <ronoc> fagan, I can't reproduce it so can't kenvandine
[20:12] <fagan> ronoc: yep I just got it there
[20:12] <fagan> first song
[20:12] <ronoc> weird
[20:12] <fagan> played with rb and its displayed in banshee's slot
[20:12] <kenvandine> fagan, and haven't seen it since?
[20:13] <fagan> kenvandine: I just reproduced it
[20:13] <fagan> again
[20:13] <kenvandine> oh... interesting
[20:13] <kenvandine> wonder why we can't
[20:13] <ronoc> kenvandine, fagan rb version ?
[20:13] <kenvandine> 0.13.3-0ubuntu5
[20:13] <fagan> Rhythmbox 0.13.3
[20:14] <fagan> (from the about box)
[20:14] <ronoc> yup
[20:14] <fagan> 0.13.3-0ubuntu5
[20:14] <ronoc> banshee 2.0.0-1ubuntu2
[20:14] <fagan> same
[20:14] <kenvandine> same here
[20:15] <fagan> AMD64?
[20:15] <kenvandine> ys
[20:15] <ronoc> no
[20:15] <ronoc> x86
[20:15] <fagan> any place I can poke to get whats going on?
[20:15] <ronoc> how about dfeet
[20:16] <ronoc> can you open up dfeet and take a look at the mpris metadata property
[20:16] <kenvandine> ronoc, how about i hold off a few minutes on this distro patch
[20:16] <ronoc> on the banshee interface
[20:16] <kenvandine> in case you come up with something for this bug
[20:16] <ronoc> kenvandine, sounds good, but I'm not working all night :)
[20:16] <kenvandine> ronoc, understand :)
[20:17] <fagan> well im going to head off in 10 minutes myself just wanted to check if there was anything needed for the bug
[20:17] <kenvandine> ronoc, i am ready to upload with this patch, so just give me the word :)
[20:17] <ronoc> kenvandine, cool
[20:17] <ronoc> fagan, grand
[20:17] <ronoc> fagan, do you know about dfeet
[20:17] <fagan> not particularly :)
[20:17] <kenvandine> d-feet is extremely useful
[20:17] <ronoc>  fagan, okay apt-get install d-feet
[20:17] <kenvandine> :)
[20:17] <fagan> got it already
[20:17] <ronoc> cool
[20:18] <ronoc> fagan, so while you can see the bug
[20:18] <fagan> so you just put in the address of the dbus server and can listen to it?
[20:18] <ronoc> fagan, open d-feet, go the banshee mpris name
[20:18] <ronoc> click on the session tab
[20:18] <ronoc> session bus tab rather
[20:18] <ronoc> see it ?
[20:18] <fagan> yep I see the list
[20:19] <fagan> banshee isnt on the list just rb
[20:19] <ronoc> quel, go to org.mpris.Mediaplayer2.Banshee ?
[20:19] <ronoc> huh
[20:19] <ronoc> oh
[20:19] <fagan> I mean im playing the song in rb
[20:19] <ronoc> oh of course sorry
[20:19] <ronoc> wtf
[20:20] <fagan> and the bug is still happening so shouldnt it have banshee and rb there if its putting it into both slots?
[20:20] <ronoc> fagan, do you use banshee at all ? i.e. do you have the sound menu integration turned on in banshee ?
[20:21] <fagan> yep im on the default ubuntu except that im using rb
[20:21] <ronoc> fagan, so you use banshee at all ?
[20:21] <fagan> so I have the menu integration turned on and it works like normal if banshee is on
[20:21] <kenvandine> ronoc,  plus it is giving him player controls for banshee
[20:21] <ronoc> do even
[20:21] <fagan> ooooh interesting
[20:22] <fagan> so its just displaying the song info in the banshee slot
[20:22] <fagan> the controls still work for banshee
[20:22] <ronoc> kenvandine, well that was mpt's instruction, he wants the players controls for banshee exposed even when the player is not running
[20:22] <ronoc> oh sorry i get it
[20:22] <kenvandine> oh yeah
[20:23] <kenvandine> but if he didn't have the extension it wouldn't right?
[20:23] <ronoc> don't know. must test. I can't see how it should happen
[20:23] <fagan> oooh and if I play a song in banshee it keeps the slot but rb still trys to display the currently playing song in banshee's one and the previous in rb's slot
[20:23] <kenvandine> oh this is interesting
[20:24] <ronoc> kenvandine, can you reproduce this at all ?
[20:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, so if banshee is running and rb isn't, i don't see player controls for rb
[20:24] <fagan> then if I kill banshee rb takes back the slot
[20:24] <kenvandine> but if banshee isn't running and rb is i do see player controls for banshee?
[20:24] <ronoc> kenvandine, yeah that is correct
[20:24] <fagan> yeah thats correct
[20:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, ok... that is a bit odd feeling
[20:25] <fagan> it is slightly but thats mpt's design
[20:25] <ronoc> banshee being the default player gets special privileges
[20:25] <kenvandine> i see
[20:25] <ronoc> hyperair, likes this :)
[20:25] <kenvandine> i thought we displayed those regardless
[20:25]  * kenvandine doesn't usually have more than one installed
[20:26] <fagan> kenvandine: well I like rb more so I have both
[20:26] <kenvandine> fagan, are you playing a playlist?
[20:26] <kenvandine> or can you repro it just by hitting next?
[20:26]  * ronoc has 6 players in his menu
[20:26] <fagan> kenvandine: nope
[20:26] <fagan> I dont use playlists
[20:26] <kenvandine> ok
[20:26] <fagan> I just hit random
[20:27] <fagan> it is an interesting one
[20:27] <fagan> ronoc: so is there a place I should be looking for in d-feet?
[20:28] <fagan> I have the mpris one for rb open
[20:28] <kenvandine> ok, i can't reproduce...
[20:28] <kenvandine> crazy
[20:28] <ronoc> fagan, well not really since banshee is not running
[20:28] <fagan> kenvandine: must be something on my install
[20:28] <kenvandine> funny, "Crazy" by aerosmith is my current track too :)
[20:28]  * ronoc goes back to trying to reproduce
[20:29] <fagan> kenvandine: my one was "here I go again" from whitesnake
[20:29] <fagan> :)
[20:29] <kenvandine> :)
[20:30] <JFo> a bug for you: bug 764141
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764141 in nautilus "[Natty-Beta2] Ubuntu doesn't recognize USB Music player, mounts it as a disk and treats it like one." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764141
[20:30]  * JFo puts a bow on it ;-)
[20:30] <fagan> JFo: nice present
[20:30] <JFo> fagan, :-)
[20:31] <JFo> I have many to give (I wish I could give them ;))
[20:31] <seb128> JFo, by putting the version in the title you don't win points to get your bug read ;-)
[20:32] <fagan> hehe
[20:32] <JFo> fagan, I am mainly interested in whether this is something for you guys to look at, I don't want it to sit and be missed.
[20:32] <JFo> seb128, I didn't do that, must have been the reporter :)
[20:32] <fagan> JFo: Im on the u1 team im just here to cause trouble
[20:32] <seb128> JFo, it's like to sit there though
[20:32] <JFo> fagan, I can appreciate that :-)
[20:32] <seb128> likely
[20:33] <JFo> seb128, I'm ok with that. I just want to make sure I know where bugs would be most able to be worked when they are not pure kernel
[20:34] <fagan> brb just restarting just to check if it goes away
[20:35] <seb128> JFo, onthose media player misdetected as a player media-player-info is correct as a first guess
[20:35] <JFo> seb128, Sarvatt beat me to it :)
[20:36] <JFo> but thank you, I will definitely make a note of that
[20:36] <kenvandine> ronoc, any luck?
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, nope
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, i gotta go soon
[20:36] <kenvandine> ok, i'll proceed then :)
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, cool
[20:36] <kenvandine> have a good night ronoc
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: close the bug
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, really ?
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, what was the issue ?
[20:37] <seb128> JFo, getting an udevadm info --export-db log is usually useful there as well
[20:37] <fagan> must have been something with an update and me not restarting or something
[20:37] <ronoc> kenvandine, thanks, you too
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: its gone after the restart
[20:37] <JFo> seb128, will request that
[20:37] <ronoc> fagan, grand, take it easy, talk soon
[20:37] <seb128> JFo, thanks
[20:37] <fagan> ronoc: night night
[20:37] <fagan> :)
[20:37] <ronoc> later guys
[20:37] <JFo> seb128, my pleasure
[20:37] <JFo> :)
[20:38]  * fagan tries one more thing
[20:38] <seb128> JFo, though your bug already have a udevdb.txt so that might not be needed there
[20:38] <seb128> JFo, I guess apport collect those infos for linux bugs
[20:39] <seb128> JFo, if you need someone to ping about that sort of issues it's usually pitti's land
[20:39] <JFo> yep, it does... was checking that myself. too much to keep track of sometimes :)
[20:39] <JFo> seb, thanks for the info
[20:46] <seb128> JFo, yw
[21:06] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, remember the build issue for empathy with webkit?
[21:06] <xclaesse> it is already fixed in upstream with git commit 8dd756f90c0140f620f02164da9e04354a6d0ec9
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you've been busy with bug triaging haven't you? ;)
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> i just noticed all the recent e-mails in my inbox have your name on them
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> want to triage some firefox bugs? :P
[21:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you better start triaging galeon bugs instead of trolling me
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> i'll buy you beer at UDS ;)
[21:48] <seb128> you will see when it's going to be default next cycle :p
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:49] <seb128> \o/
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> i thought we had already agreed that lynx will be the default?
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> there's no point in having the session - it's already decided now ;)
[21:49] <seb128> don't confuse me with those server hippies :p
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's not really "triaging" btw, I just opened the gedit list and figured there was a stack of bugs untriaged I could care less about there
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:51] <seb128> so I go through and set the setting to low with a stock reply to either get a stacktrace or send the bug upstream or add info basically
[21:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you watch all desktop bugs still?
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i still watch quite a few desktop packages. but, "watch" normally means that i scan my inbox occasionally and delete anything i've not been assigned too ;)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> maaan, firefox 6 is way to stable. it should be more broken than this :)
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, 6? they skipped 5?
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems your approch to desktop bugs is similar to mine nowadays ;-)
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - 5 is on the way ;)
[21:56] <seb128> "go over the titles, read a few if the title seems interting, mark as read"
[21:57] <seb128> interting -> interesting
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's my approach :)
[21:58] <seb128> that's how I end up opening the gedit (or $component) every now and then and figure the list start by 60 untriaged bugs, then I spend half an hour going through and setting priorities to low to every that don't seem something important and stock reply a few on the way
[21:59] <seb128> we need a bug "right, that's a bug but it's minor and we will not work on it so please hide if from my list"
[21:59] <seb128> we need a "button"
[21:59] <seb128> rather ;-)
[22:03] <mterry> tedg, guh, I'm interested in you taking a look at bug 752959 for me.  I've been staring at server.c in dbusmenu, trying to see how we could end up calling bus_get_cb with a bogus user_data, but I can't see it
[22:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752959 in libdbusmenu "gimp-2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_object_path()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752959
[22:04] <desrt> man that GVariant stuff is so buggy
[22:04] <seb128> oh, a desrt!
[22:04] <desrt> hi seb :)
[22:05] <seb128> hey desrt ;-)
[22:05] <desrt> going insane yet?
[22:06] <desrt> aside from all of the 'unity sux!!' bugs it actually seems like a fairly quiet cycle...
[22:07] <seb128> well it has been different for sure this cycle
[22:07] <seb128> but I can't say it has been a quiet cycle, it has been as busy as usual or busier with different upstream ;-)
[22:07] <desrt> ya.. i guess from my gnome perspective it just seems quiet
[22:07] <desrt> oneric is sure to be more fun from the gnome side
[22:08] <seb128> indeed, for some definition of fun
[22:08] <desrt> :)
[22:08] <seb128> I would say "interesting" rather
[22:08] <desrt> robert said that you guys are planning to phase out the gnome3 ppa
[22:08] <seb128> did he?
[22:08] <desrt> ya
[22:08] <desrt> sort of makes sense, i guess
[22:08] <seb128> I didn't talk to him for like 2 weeks
[22:08] <desrt> as you start merging stuff into oneric...
[22:08] <seb128> you mean next cycle?
[22:08] <desrt> yes
[22:09] <seb128> yeah, makes sense
[22:09] <seb128> we want to land GNOME3 next cycle
[22:09] <desrt> i started a new ppa for 'upstream gnome' packages
[22:09] <seb128> I'm not fully happy about it
[22:09] <desrt> pure shell experience, etc.
[22:09] <seb128> but I don't see a better realistic way
[22:09] <seb128> desrt, you did?
[22:09] <desrt> ya
[22:09] <seb128> I'm wondering how many ppa we will get duplicates for that
[22:09] <desrt> got a bleeding edge glib in there right now which is serving me nicely
[22:09] <seb128> there is a "gnome-remix" one as well
[22:10] <desrt> (which i actually need for the work i'm doing at the moment)
[22:10] <desrt> interesting.
[22:10] <desrt> i don't know how much effort i plan to put in... just have glib/gtk so far
[22:10] <seb128> I wish those people would work on the GNOME3 though
[22:10] <seb128> they seem to mostly duplicate it for no reason
[22:11] <desrt> ya... i've heard that there are a few that are almost straight copies
[22:11] <desrt> anyway... robert mentioned that he might want to try to setup some recipies for daily builds
[22:11] <seb128> brave man
[22:12] <desrt> maybe i should call the ppa 'grumpy' :)
[22:12] <seb128> ;-)
[22:12] <seb128> let's try to get GNOME3 properly in
[22:12] <desrt> you have some gripes about gnome3 itself, don't you?
[22:12] <seb128> I will already be happy if users are fine with that
[22:12] <seb128> I can see them complaining a lot though
[22:12] <desrt> new control centre, etc.
[22:12] <seb128> yes
[22:13] <seb128> which is what makes me a bit nervous
[22:13] <desrt> ya... it's pretty rough at the moment
[22:13] <seb128> I can see users not agreeing with the dropping of some of the options
[22:13] <desrt> i mean... this is gnome and we're used to having no options
[22:13] <desrt> but this is a bit ridiculous :)
[22:13] <seb128> or with the "just use gnome-tweak"
[22:14] <seb128> I'm wondering if we will need to step up to put back some features back in the distro in one way or the other
[22:21] <tedg> mterry, I agree with your assessment, I don't see anything either.  Looking at some of the dups...
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, I think that bug 738568 is not referencing the server before getting the bus.
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, But I'm not sure it's the same.
[22:24] <tedg> mterry, I'll get that one.
[23:14] <bigon> pitti: around?


[01:57] <rbasak> bryce: just came across     whitelist: Drop php-horde-*
[01:57] <rbasak> I never considered dropping things from the whitelist. We probably shouldn't, because then if there is an update then it won't hit the repository and that might mismatch user expectations.
[01:58] <rbasak> ie. I think that once we import a package we shouldn't stop importing it.
[01:58] <rbasak> One thing I intend to do is "auto-whitelist" anything for which a repository exists now
[01:58] <rbasak> (and then the whitelist wouldn't be necessary any more, since a one-off import would do the trick)
[01:59] <rbasak> Any opinion on that please?
[03:07] <bryce> rbasak, php-* is super spotty in git ubuntu - a ton of the stack is in universe - so I think user expectations here are going to be negligible.  With php-horde-* in particular, it's dropped from focal and newer.  I'm not sure when it was first imported but at best we're talking xenial/bionic support at most.
[03:08] <bryce> rbasak, php-horde-* comprises a ton of packages, so whitelisting that stack seemed rather bold.
[03:09] <bryce> rbasak, anyway, I don't think it needs to be whitelisted, but it certainly doesn't bother me if you want to set policy of whitelist being non-reducible
[06:53] <slyon> Hey, could somebody please trigger this test for me? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/netplan.io/groovy/ppc64el – It failed due to timeouts on ppc64el, passed on all other architectures.
[07:57] <eoli3n> Hi
[08:08] <seb128> slyon, hey, done now
[08:25] <slyon> thank you!
[08:26] <seb128> np!
[08:44] <LocutusOfBorg> aleb, I mean, its in groovy now?
[13:05] <sil2100> mvo: hey! I think you usually dealt with DDTP updates for Ubuntu, right?
[13:05] <sil2100> Looking at https://code.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu I don't see any for groovy, but I don't actually know if this is still used?
[13:23] <mvo> sil2100: uh, it may mean I need to update that, it's all a bit annoying, in a meeting right now but let me try to run the machinery after the meeting, please ping me again if you have not heard back in 1h about progress
[13:31] <sil2100> mvo: thank you! Is there any documentation we could read up on that not to bother you next time? :)
[20:02] <aleb> <LocutusOfBorg "aleb, I mean, its in groovy now?"> Yes, thank you!
[22:09] <Unit193> This is late in the cycle I think, if there's a bugfix release that fixes a FTBFS with gcc-10, worth sync'ing?  It should be in the Xubuntu packageset if not seeded.
[22:09] <Unit193> Yeah, not seeded just in the 'supported' seed.


[03:26] <xubuntu27d> help with Brother laser printer HL1110. Have insatalled the Brother website drivers via cli bash but now not a peep.
[03:26] <holstein> xubuntu27d: try removing those drivers, and see if there is anything in the repos that supports the hardware
[03:26] <holstein> i usually try surrounding types, in the printer GUI, and just see what works.
[10:40] <xubuntu27w> Hi , can the new Xubuntu Core be used as a live ram disk or is it install to HDD only?
[11:04] <xubuntu27w> What is a good time to join and ask questions?
[11:05] <lderan> any time :)
[11:07] <xubuntu27w> Thanks as i can't seem to get an answer any where about the new Core version. :)
[11:11] <lderan> what would you like to know?
[11:12] <xubuntu27w> Can the new Xubuntu Core be used as a live ram disk or is it install to HDD only?
[11:18] <lderan> i'm not 100% sure but would hedge on it being an hdd install
[11:18] <xubuntu27w> BAH! :(
[11:18] <xubuntu27w> Thanks anyhows.
[11:33] <Unit193> xubuntu27w: It's live ISO and has ubiquity.
[11:36] <xubuntu27w> Thanks , Does it have a re-master option to keep it as a live ISO only?
[11:37] <Unit193> A remaster option?  I have no idea what that is so I'm going to say no.
[11:39] <xubuntu27w> Live ISo linux with a re-master option allows you to alter the orginal ISO image such as adding Firefox and VLC and run the live ISO in ram only with toram , soo you never have to install it to HDD.
[11:39] <Unit193> No, but there's this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence
[11:42] <xubuntu27w> BAH! :(
[11:42] <xubuntu27w> I'll have to go back to Ram Linux such as Fatdog as they allow remaster without a Persistence file.
[11:46] <xubuntu27w> I see Ubuntu has LiveCDCustomization ( which is basically the same as remaster ) but it looks complicated rather than just having a remaster option.
[11:46] <xubuntu27w> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[11:49] <xubuntu27w> Thanks all for your time. :)
[13:10] <ady> hello
[13:10] <ady> i have recently instaled xubuntu
[13:11] <ady> i'm new to linux
[13:11] <ady> and i have a question
[13:11] <lderan> hello ady :)
[13:11] <cfhowlett> !ask | ady
[13:11] <ady> i have downloaded a iso file that on windows apears to have 690 mb
[13:12] <ady> on xubuntu apears to have 724 mb
[13:12] <ady> why is that?
[13:13] <ady> why the os reports diferent size for the same file?
[13:13] <lderan> it could be the different between file size and size on disk depending on the hdd format
[13:14] <ady> and how to i set thunar to show me the file size not the size on the disk?
[13:14] <ady> because it annoys me, for example in qbitorent it shows i download a 690 mb iso
[13:15] <ady> in transmison it shows i download 724 mb
[13:15] <ady> and it's the same file
[13:19] <koegs> ady: you need to read: Difference between MB and MiB
[13:21] <ady> is just a little confunsing
[13:21] <ady> the same file on xubuntu always apear larger than it apeears on windows os
[13:22] <knome> does your hardware capacity also appear larger?
[13:22] <knome> obviously i mean hard drive..
[13:24] <ady> yes
[13:25] <knome> ady, there you go.
[13:25] <ady> but that did not seem strange because i thought is because the diferent way my hard drive is formated ext4 instead of ntfs
[13:26] <knome> as koegs said, it's all about the difference between MB and MiB (not ext4 and ntfs really, though there might be *small* differences between those)
[13:27] <koegs> ady: same reason why some hdd manufacturers sell you a 2TB HDD but you end up having 1.7TB :)
[13:27] <koegs> actually it is 1.81TB
[13:27] <ady> ok now i got it
[13:27] <ady> you are right
[13:28] <ady> in windows it says 690 mb and it put's in ( 724 mib) or something like that
[13:28] <ady> in xubuntu i always see 724
[13:28] <ady> thanks
[13:28] <ady> :)
[14:12] <eddy129> hi, i have got an issue with the latest release. was working for a week now suddenly wifi has been lost. it connects correctly and optains an ip but no ping to <IP_ADDRESS> or webaddress, not even local ip like my router. other pcs are ok. now connected by bluetooth.
[14:16] <xubuntu56d> hi, am i connected?
[14:38] <rinki> am i connected?
[14:39] <rinki> hello
[14:39] <rinki> hi
[14:39] <rinki> hello
[14:40] <Pici> hello
[14:41] <rinki> i am not alone!
[14:41] <lderan> \o/
[14:42] <rinki> need some help. installed 15.04 last week. now i lost connectivity to wifi. can connect and get ip but no ping. now connected through bluetooth and phone
[14:43] <rinki> is this a known issue?
[14:48] <rinki_>  hi i need some help. installed 15.04 last week. now i lost connectivity to wifi. can connect and get ip but no ping. now connected through bluetooth and phone. s this a known issue?
[14:53] <bazhang> what does ifconfig show in term rinki_
[14:53] <bazhang> eth0 lo and wlan0
[15:09] <irgendwer4711> hi, after upgrading to 15.04. I see only coloured triangels on the screen. I have ATI radeon card.
[15:45] <irgendwer4711> no ideas?
[15:59] <z4nD4R> hi all :)
[16:00] <GridCube> hi
[16:01] <z4nD4R> how it is going guys? :)
[16:03] <GridCube> its alright :)
[16:03] <GridCube> if you wanna offtopic you can join #xubuntu-offtopic z4nD4R
[16:05] <z4nD4R> GridCube: no I don't want. :) I have just simple question .. maybe to discuss :) .. How do  you think the xfdashboard should be developed.. and if the idea is ok.. or generally how do you like it ;)
[16:07] <GridCube> i have no idea what that is
[16:08] <z4nD4R> lucky you :D
[18:13] <dreamon> having problem with bluetooth headset .. can connect.. but audio output of headset isnt shown.
[18:18] <GridCube> dreamon: in pavucontrol?
[18:18] <dreamon> GridCube, yes
[18:20] <dreamon> bluetooth manager works till i choose device -> stream setup failed
[18:24] <GridCube> :/
[18:24] <GridCube> sorry
[18:24] <dreamon> :)
[18:24] <GridCube> maybe blueman has an option to set that up¿?
[19:44] <phil_67> bonjour
[19:45] <phil_67> j'aurais besoin d'un petit coup de main...
[19:45] <phil_67> je viens d'installer un xubuntu dernière version téléchargeable sur le site d'ubuntu
[19:46] <phil_67> Je suis en mode live cd pour voir ce que cela donne.
[19:46] <phil_67> j'ai un mode persistant...
[19:46] <drc> !fr |  phil_67:
[19:46] <phil_67> ok.
[19:46] <phil_67> merci de l'info.
[19:46] <phil_67> bonne soirée.
[20:08] <BadLuckRyan> Got a question
[20:08] <BadLuckRyan> How come Xubuntu installs on my laptop with the alternate version but not the desktop version?
[20:10] <BadLuckRyan> How come Xubuntu installs on my laptop with the alternate version but not the desktop version?
[21:26] <BadLuckRyan> Xubuntu 14.10 installation hangs at the loading screen using liveUSB. Anyone know the issue?
[21:27] <xangua> I would install either 14.04 or 15.04, 14.10 support ends in just a couple of months.
[21:31] <BadLuckRyan> Ok im going to try 15.04. Expecting same issue
[21:40] <BadLuckRyan> 15.04 hangs during installation too
[21:50] <elfy> BadLuckRyan: what sort of specs/graphics?
[21:52] <genii> Yes, July is EOL for Utopic
[22:14] <xubuntu74w> I was wondering how to enable the really nice looking application launcher they show in the xfce tour at http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[22:17] <mrkramps> xubuntu74w, app launcher?
[22:18] <mrkramps> the whisker menu?
[22:19] <xubuntu74w> mrkramps, they talk about intelligent hiding of the panel, and the picture shows a nice app launcher
[22:19] <xubuntu74w> is it some sort of custom panel they made specifically for the tour?
[22:19] <mrkramps> actually it show a panel with some launcher icons
[22:20] <BadLuckRyan> I need help installing 15.04 Xubuntu Desktop version. It hangs at the loading screen. I tried adding NOMODESET but that didn't help. Any suggestions?
[22:20] <xubuntu74w> so, i have to create my own custom panel with launcher icons?
[22:21] <BadLuckRyan> ?
[22:21] <mrkramps> xubuntu74w, a ssecond panel at the bottom, centered position, variable width and yes, a launcher plugin
[22:22] <mrkramps> xubuntu74w, this launcher panel plugin can hold multiple applications
[22:22] <xubuntu74w> mrkramps, is the launcher plugin something i have to download, or is it already on xubuntu by default
[22:22] <mrkramps> xubuntu74w, but do not expect it to work like in ubuntu unity's panel or macos or win7
[22:23] <mrkramps> xubuntu74w, launcher plugin is one of the default plugins
[22:23] <mrkramps> just right click the panel → Panel → Add New Items … → Launcher
[22:24] <mrkramps> right click the new lauchner icon → Properties
[22:24] <BadLuckRyan> Anyone?
[22:24] <BadLuckRyan>  I need help installing 15.04 Xubuntu Desktop version. It hangs at the loading screen. I tried adding NOMODESET but that didn't help. Any suggestions?
[22:25] <mrkramps> BadLuckRyan, seems like 15.04 does not like your hardware then
[22:36] <mrkramps> BadLuckRyan, maybe you want to provide some information about the affected hardware?
[22:37] <BadLuckRyan> mrkramps: Well i removed "quiet splash" from the command line and the error i see is SQUASHFS error: Unable to read fragment
[22:38] <mrkramps> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[22:39] <mrkramps> BadLuckRyan, you checked the downloaded/burned image for errors?
[22:42] <BadLuckRyan> mrkramps: no but i downloaded the iso directly from the xubuntu site
[22:43] <mrkramps> BadLuckRyan, you should check them anyway … even downloads from official sources may get corrupted
[22:45] <mrkramps> and as you yet have not told us if you are using usb or dvd live media something might have gone wrong when burning the image or dumping it to the stick
[23:06] <BadLuckRyan> mrkramps: ok so ive tried the Alternate Xubuntu iso and it boots and install jusy fine. (using USB)
[23:07] <BadLuckRyan> mrkramps: do you have a clue as to why desktop version doesnt work but alternate does
[23:08] <mrkramps> actually afaik there's no xubuntu alternate since 12.10
[23:10] <mrkramps> or are you talking about the minimal cd?
[23:10] <mrkramps> or minimal image
[23:18] <BadLuckRyan> Mrkramps: it was 12.04 alternate that i downloaded and installed
[23:20] <mrkramps> BadLuckRyan, xubuntu 12.04 ran out of suppurt end of april this year
[23:20] <BadLuckRyan> Mrkramps: what does that mean?
[23:22] <mrkramps> there won't be any more security fixes for the Xfce desktop environment
[23:22] <BadLuckRyan> Oh ok


[05:25] <flocculant> lovely - reboot with newest kernel and only 640x480 available - lucky for you I'm not running QA anymore or we'd not be releasing this on Thursday ...
[05:28] <flocculant> bug 1824677
[05:29] <Unit193> ...That's an unacceptable resolution, very.
[05:29] <flocculant> Unit193: yea :(
[05:30] <Unit193> Considering I have nouveau...
[05:30] <flocculant> well pointlessly said something in -release
[05:31] <flocculant> there appears to be a real EE in the xorg log this time :p
[05:32] <flocculant> probably should have reported it to the kernel not nouveau
[05:33] <Unit193> Nevertheless, thanks for reporting and giving a heads up (of what I'll likely hit when I reboot...)
[05:34] <flocculant> :)
[06:08] <flocculant> well I hope you hit it (sort of) at least I'll know it's not just me
[07:02] <flocculant> Unit193: possibly it's just when a system upgrades - did a qemu install and it's ok there
[08:07] <flocculant> affects someone else at least - at least that's what launchpad says ;)
[11:01] <brainwash> bluesabre: I checked bug 1818395 for new comments, but nada
[11:02] <brainwash> "Since each of the lightdm greeters should depend on lightdm,..."
[11:03] <brainwash> is that a change which you propose? currently, neither lightdm-gtk-greeter nor unity-greeter actually depend on lightdm
[13:03] <bluesabre> Yeah
[13:03] <bluesabre> python apps require and depend on python
[13:04] <bluesabre> lightdm apps should require and depend on lightdm
[15:41] <flocculant> Unit193: if you've not seen - the bug I reported has a work round for the moment
[17:44] <Unit193> flocculant: I did indeed, that's good.
[17:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Though *technically*, it's more like 'Enhances' than 'depends', but yeah.
[19:21] <brainwash> ochosi: https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=a4dccd1a22af60836c62a54f4e8d0e53dbe795d0
[19:22] <brainwash> so, default theme has now 4px wide window borders
[20:11] <ochosi> brainwash: good for people who compained about resizing


[00:00] <CapsAdmin> the only addon i have is the ubuntu extension and codec something, disabling them both doesn't fix the problem'
[00:11] <Mamarok> CapsAdmin: and how is that a Kubuntu problem? you choose what sites you open, not the operating system
[00:11] <Mamarok> and a browser does not redirect by itself
[00:39] <Dragnslcr> Wow, I just noticed that the new version of Plasma in 15.10 finally fixed the ordering in the taskbar.
[05:33] <Abe> how do you get stuff like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHOJiTkcg0 I doesn't seem to work in 14.04 and the links in the video are also dead
[05:34] <Abe> kubuntu
[05:35] <Abe> anybody using animated wallpapers in kubuntu. they look impressing
[05:36] <Abe> HmpfCBR: are you that supporter in ubuntuusers.de ????
[05:37] <Abe> anybody there knock knock
[05:37] <Abe> guess not
[05:55] <denza242> Abe: hmm
[05:57] <denza242> Abe: here you go https://launchpad.net/~blueleaflinux/+archive/ppa
[05:57] <denza242> idk if it works on Plasma 5
[08:00] <adn34> Hello everyone :)
[08:00] <Finetundar> morning adn34
[08:00] <adn34> I have a problem with fcitx-m17n
[08:00] <adn34> same to you :)
[08:00] <adn34> I use ibus-m17n on Ubuntu
[08:01] <adn34> I want to use m17n with fcitx
[08:01] <adn34> I have installed fcitx-m17n package through apt-get
[08:02] <adn34> Also setup fcitx as default through Input configuration
[08:02] <adn34> but when I run fcitx on terminal, it throws errors at me
[08:03] <Finetundar> adn34: sadly I don't have much I can say to help. You may want to try in #ubutnu.
[08:03] <adn34> oh!
[08:03] <Finetundar> It's been quite here for  several hours
[08:03] <adn34> thanks anyway :)
[08:03] <Finetundar> NP
[08:04] <Finetundar> :)
[08:45] <DDR> Hi all. How do I make ctrl-d not send the end-of-file to konsole? I'd like to sub in something a little harder to accidentally press.
[08:46] <DDR> A program I'm developing has ctrl-d mapped to 'open Debug console', and... yeah.
[09:35] <murthy> could anyone confirm if this bug is really fixed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346602
[09:35] <murthy> The bug is still present in kde 5.4.2
[10:20] <Kenniw> hi
[10:21] <Kenniw> im just about to install the 15.10 kubuntu and i have some troubles with the disk setup
[10:22] <Kenniw> i was dual booting w/ ubuntu and win before and i now want to erase that old ubuntu and replace it w/ the new but to keep the win
[10:23] <soee> you have separate partitions for windows and ubutnu right ?
[10:23] <Kenniw> is there any option how to completely erase the old version while keeping the win partition and if not which one of 'Ubuntu' and sda3 (unknown) is the older and which one is the new versio
[10:23] <Kenniw> n?
[10:23] <Kenniw> yes
[10:25] <soee> well do nothing with windows partition than, erase the one with ubuntu but i suggest to have 2 partition for kubuntu - one for / and one for  /home
[10:25] <Kenniw> sure but how to do?
[10:25] <soee> kubuntu installed shoudl detect windows properly and grub will have an option to boot to windows or kubuntu
[10:26] <Kenniw> i can only choose between use entire disk and resize while keeping all of the old partitions
[10:26] <soee> there is not option to manually do the stuff ?
[10:26] <Kenniw> oh yeah
[10:26] <Kenniw> sry
[10:26] <Kenniw> i didnt notic
[10:26] <Kenniw> e
[10:27] <soee> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation#Disk_Setup
[10:28] <Kenniw> yeah i looked that up
[10:28] <Kenniw> actually i should be able to format every partition except for the one which is ntfs based
[10:28] <Kenniw> shouldnt i?
[10:29] <soee> i dont know what partitions you have, ntfs is for windows o don't touch it
[10:31] <Kenniw> is the type of the new kubuntu ext4?
[10:32] <soee> i think this is recommended
[12:20] <jubo2> I began bluetooth transfer from phone
[12:20] <jubo2> kubuntu asked to "install app" without saying what it is and what for and who/what initiated this
[12:22] <jubo2> then after install it showed the name in a dialogue but that got lost now
[12:22] <jubo2> Qtapt aptqt something like that
[12:23] <jubo2> what was this
[12:23] <jubo2> was this initiated by my phone's attempt to upload via bluetooth
[12:33] <jubo2> What is this..
[12:35] <jubo2> did I just get rooted because didn't mind installing unnamed software
[12:36] <jubo2> I think I saw it was using apt-get to install it
[12:45] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:46] <aotea> Heyo
[12:48] <olkesandr> Hi, guys!
[14:33] <mchoaib> hello... I have a small problem with my K 15.10. Wired is fine but when I try Wifi.... is conected but not internet.... I also have W10 and trying using wifi under W10 and works ok... so hardware is fine. I try some change in my config on network configuration and nothing. Any tip?
[14:40] <rodolfojcj> run this commands in a terminal:
[14:41] <rodolfojcj> ifconfig (to see what's the current IP address settings)
[14:41] <rodolfojcj> ping slashdot.org (to see if there's communication with a given host on Internet)
[14:42] <rodolfojcj> lspci (to see a list of main hardware components and review if there's something related to the wireless card)
[14:52] <mchoaib> thanks for the help, Rodolfo. I will try it and see if i can solve it. Thanks again
[15:05] <murthy> can anyone check if they see bookmarks showing up in kickoff even when disabling it in search settings?
[15:07] <jasdf> hi, I have a privacy concern
[15:07] <jasdf> if google supports kde, isn't the privacy with kubuntu at risk
[15:07] <jasdf> ?
[15:09] <mparillo> If you run (say) google-chrome under Kubuntu, Google will have access to much the same information as it would under (say) Xubuntu.
[15:17] <mparillo> If you execute a google search from firefox, have the same cookie management, script/ad blocking, etc. Google will have much the same information on Kubuntu as (say) Xubuntu
[15:19] <rodolfojcj> mchoaib: and to try to get automatically an IP address, run this command: sudo dhclient -v (the "-v" is optional, for verbose output)
[15:35] <mchoaib> Hi again. Still with problems. I put irc on my cellphone so i can try what any can help me as soon as i can. Again, i have a laptop with kubuntu 15.10. I can connect with the wifi but can't use internet
[15:35] <mchoaib> I tried what another user from here told me, but nothing good yet
[15:45] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Might be a silly question but in the dolphin file explorer.. how can i set all folders / sub folders to a default view type? Like Details View Mode?
[15:48] <Seb_web> Hi
[15:48] <Seb_web> can someone help me please
[15:48] <hazamonzo> Seb_web: I guess you have to ask a question first :)
[15:49] <Seb_web> i try to change my user name on my computer, but after i type my password it says acsses denied
[15:50] <hazamonzo> Seb_web: How are you trying to do it? Im not sure as i've never tried but it sounds like something you would have to do as root
[15:50] <Seb_web> From the system settings
[15:51] <hazamonzo> Well the access denied message makes me think you got your password wrong :(
[15:52] <hazamonzo> What option in the system settings?
[15:52] <mparillo> hazamonzo: Have you tried View > Adjust View Properties?
[15:53] <Seb_web> password and user account
[15:53] <mparillo> Apply View Properties to all folders?
[15:53] <hazamonzo> mparillo: Perfect. Found it. Thank you
[15:54] <Seb_web> but i know the password is definetey right
[15:55] <hazamonzo> Seb_web: hmm, i can't see the option. What version of KDE?
[15:55] <hazamonzo> *Kubuntu
[15:55] <Seb_web> kubuntu 14.04
[15:55] <hazamonzo> let me check my other laptop
[15:57] <Seb_web> ok
[15:57] <hazamonzo> hmm, can't see the option there either :)
[15:58] <Seb_web> on system settings account etails
[15:58] <Seb_web> *deatils
[15:59] <hazamonzo> Seb_web: i see it. and you tried to change your account naame?
[16:00] <Seb_web> Yes under user information Name:
[16:02] <hazamonzo> Seb_web: yeah. I get the same error message
[16:02] <hazamonzo> you may have to do it from the commandline using sudo
[16:02] <Seb_web> Oh
[16:03] <Seb_web> how do i do that?
[16:04] <hazamonzo> Honestly i would have a google as im not too sure
[16:04] <hazamonzo> something like "change account name via commandline"
[16:05] <Seb_web> yeah ok
[16:06] <Seb_web> i might just have to create a new user :(
[16:07] <hazamonzo> or you can ask in #ubuntu as it doesn't sound like an issue related to KDE specifically
[16:07] <Seb_web> i have a feeling you can only chage it once
[16:07] <Seb_web> *change
[16:09] <Seb_web> ok thank yu very much for your help!
[17:10] <yanis> Hi everybody!
[17:11] <yanis> I want to share my happiness after installing tlp battery saving tool! It increases batterylife by 50% on my kubunty 15.10
[21:27] <Eluus> Has anyone tried Pulseaudio equalizer on kubuntu?
[21:28] <ameurux> hi
[21:28] <ameurux> anyone here?
[21:29] <ameurux> hello
[21:30] <ameurux> Im running kubuntu 15.10 I tried mplayerthumb but I couldnt make video preview available, any help pls?
[21:32] <soee> ameurux: it won't work atm.
[21:32] <ameurux> aah ok, thank you
[21:32] <soee> something isn't ported yet to new frameworka that makes this problem
[21:33] <ameurux> soee  many thanks to you,
[21:33] <ameurux> we just wait
[21:40] <nullzen> how can one go about installing the whole gnome 3 desktop setup on a kubuntu installation?
[23:13] <hazamonzo> Hello folks. I finally got Kubuntu installed onto my new laptop after a couple of issues with the Nvidia 352 drivers and after everything was working well... i reboot, get past the kubuntu splash and im back to a black screen :(
[23:13] <hazamonzo> Super sad days
[23:13] <hazamonzo> Any ideas what i can do to debug this issue? Im trying to find the root cause to this graphics driver problem
[23:14] <hazamonzo> im not sure if you're online lordievader but you might remember my problems with this :)
[23:48] <theteju> Hey guys,,
[23:48] <theteju> Only thing holding me switching to Kubuntu 14.03 64 bit is my printer.
[23:49] <theteju> I have successfully installed the printer. but it does not print a test page.
[23:49] <theteju> status says,, data sent successfully but printer is not printing.
[23:50] <theteju> Printer : Canon Imageclass D480. always works on 32 bit. but for some reason never has success for 64 bit. except in 8.10 ubuntu long time back
[23:50] <theteju> :P


[14:53] <smoser> Hey all, In 1 hour and 10 minutes (10:00 US/Central), there is an "EC2 Round table" at UDS.  Remote participation is possible and encouraged.  Please feel free to join.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation .  See the schedule at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/2009-11-17/
[14:55] <smoser> To join the the discussion, join irc #ubuntu-uds-lonestar3 . you can listen at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/lonestar3.ogg.m3u
[15:00] <smoser> aparently i'm not able to read a schedule. that session starts now. please join1


[09:29] <xnox> cjwatson, juliank - downloaded SKS webserver source code, to browse what it supports.... And I think everything what we need already exists
[09:30] <xnox> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&exact=on&search=0x2d9df1e22f3416238d46f49f157951fe4031d287
[09:30] <xnox> bah wrong url
[09:30] <xnox> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&exact=on&search=0x2d9df1e22f3416238d46f49f157951fe4031d287
[09:30] <xnox> downlaods ASC armored public key, with exact match on the fingerprint.
[09:31] <xnox> it's not clean, but it's perfectly usable by the new enough apt.
[09:31] <xnox> (in the web-browser that gets downloaded as gpgkey.asc)
[10:06] <cjwatson> xnox: I mean, we could, but I'd rather just use the existing interfaces that LP already uses.
[10:06] <cjwatson> i.e. retrieve the key in the usual way (which is op=get&exact=on) and then format it ourselves
[10:07] <cjwatson> that way we can cache it using our existing strategies
[10:07] <xnox> as in launchpad.net to proxy the results for that.
[10:08] <xnox> without 'options=mp' one gets and html page with header bar; with 'options=mp' one gets plain text, armored key
[10:08] <xnox> so if you are adding code in launchpad to fetch keys, 'options=mp' is useful.
[10:09] <cjwatson> We already have code in Launchpad to fetch keys
[10:09] <cjwatson> lib/lp/services/gpg/handler.py
[10:09]  * xnox looks
[10:09] <cjwatson> So I'd rather fetch the key in the usual way we already do, and then use gpgme to armor it
[10:10] <cjwatson> Because that way the same keyserver result can be cached locally and has a better chance of being useful for other requests
[10:11] <xnox> ack
[10:13] <cjwatson> In fact we already have all the necessary code.
[10:13] <cjwatson> PymeKey.export will do it
[10:14] <cjwatson> (Because PymeKey._getContext sets armor = True
[10:14] <cjwatson> )
[10:15] <cjwatson> So it should literally be just handler = getUtility(IGPGHandler); pub_key = handler.retrieveKey(fingerprint); key_text = pub_key.export()
[10:15] <cjwatson> Sorry, I didn't realise you thought we thought we'd need any special keyserver support for this.
[10:15] <cjwatson> Could have saved you the bother.
[20:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/job-oops-timeline/+merge/341554, please?  I added some gadgetry to avoid BranchScanJob producing giant timelines, since that seems likely to be the worst offender.
[21:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, clever.
[22:08] <cjwatson> Thanks.
[22:08] <cjwatson> Also, if you reference any kind of model object from your timeline then the resulting reference cycles are *hell* to debug.
[22:09] <cjwatson> I tried using objgraph which sort of vaguely helped a little but also produced enormous output.


[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:37]  * penguin42 returns from KDE Frameworks 5
[14:42]  * penguin42 tries to configure stuff the way he likes
[14:44] <penguin42> still a bit rough in places; lots of icons missing, system settings a bit sparse
[14:48] <penguin42> so far it's only really hte panel that looks much different to me