[00:03] <ScottK-laptop> directhex and FireRabbit: You can't add kdebase-workspace-dev as a build-dep for kde4bindings because that would cause a circular build depenedency.
[00:04] <ScottK-laptop> Without the mono packages enabled what's in bzr builds.
[00:05] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, then something is broken - qyoto is searching for nepomuk headers found in that package only
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I agree.
[00:07] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I think I found the switch for it.  Let me see if I can find it.
[00:07] <ScottK-laptop> ... again
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Try grep -i nepomuk csharp/CMakeLists.txt in the source tarball.  I think that'll show you how to patch it off.
[00:11] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, so the suggestion is "balls to nepomuk, just build the rest"?
[00:11] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Yes.
[00:11] <ScottK-laptop> One step at a time.
[00:12] <DaSkreech> Salty balls?
[00:12] <ScottK-laptop> DaSkreech: This is a family friendly channel ...
[00:13] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[00:13] <DaSkreech> I'm not allowed to say salt?
[00:13] <directhex> no. salt is bad for you
[00:13] <DaSkreech> It doesn't hurt the sea :-(
[00:14] <DaSkreech> TO the movies!!
[00:25] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I'll be glad to sponsor kde4bindings once you're done.  Just push your changes in bzr.
[00:25] <ScottK-laptop> I am going to wait until the current kde4libs build is done on armel before I do anything though.
[00:25] <directhex> i'm going to wait for this test build to finish, then get some sleep before learning bzr
[00:26] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: And to your earlier point: While many members of the anti-mono crowd are somewhat over the top (I'm told I have a gift for understatement), not all of them are crazy.
[00:27] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Why don't we deal with that now.
[00:27] <ScottK-laptop> While you're waiting ...
[00:27] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, of course not, and i support anyone's freedom to chose their frameworks - but i have a real dislike for the demagogy and fascism displayed by some of the more... outspoken... opponents.
[00:27] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Do you have an SSH key in your Launchpad account.
[00:28] <directhex> yeah, dunno how up to date it is though. i should check
[00:28] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Right, but OTOH you can't know for sure about submarine patents and for those of us residing in jurisdictions where software patents are legal, I think it's a fair concern.
[00:28] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: OK.  Need that first.
[00:28] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Have you used svn much?
[00:29] <directhex> yeah
[00:29] <directhex> aha, only my office machines are in there
[00:29] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: This won't be too hard then.
[00:29] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: If you want to just pastebin me the change, I can stuff it in bzr or just toss a new key in there.
[00:30] <directhex> right, added
[00:31] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I'm pretty much a bzr neophyte myself, so we'll see how this goes.
[00:31] <directhex> o_o
[00:31] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu has instructions on how to pull a branch.
[00:33] <directhex> okay, i spy a patchsys. good.
[00:33] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Here's the official Kubuntu bzr howto: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/docs/BZR-HOWTO.txt
[00:33] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Yes, quilt.
[00:33] <ScottK-laptop> All KDE core packages have it built into the standard KDE package structure.
[00:35] <directhex> cmake says it's 21% done on a test build. ho hum.
[00:36] <ScottK-laptop> I've built kde4bindings a few times, so I knew we had time to work on bzr....
[00:37] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, in reply to earlier, i take shuttleworth's view on patents. he's smarter than me, so i defer to him.
[00:39] <ScottK-laptop> In general, I agree, but Microsoft has a specific history of bad acts that makes me particularly leary.
[00:40] <ScottK-laptop> I may just feel strongly about it because I've had stuff I helped develop show up in Microsoft patent claims.
[00:40] <directhex> mmm, i reckon they have more to gain from sabre rattling than from specific action. they still haven't revealed their hundreds of "violated" patents in the kernel
[00:41] <ScottK-laptop> Agreed.
[00:41] <ScottK-laptop> For now ...
[00:41] <directhex> everything in life is only for now
[00:41] <directhex> even patent violation. you can ask the freetype guys about that one
[00:42] <ScottK-laptop> Well I think there is a risk associated with letting ourselves get too dependent on this particular technology.
[00:42] <ScottK-laptop> Now the degree of risk is unknown, so it's not suprising reasonable people disagree on how high it is.
[00:44] <directhex> and a valid question is how do you define "too dependent"
[00:44] <directhex> an app framework... honestly, i wouldn't lose any sleep. more than that? don't reckon it'll ever happen really
[00:45] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Well I think KDE is not at all dependent.  We could rip it out tomorrow and not miss a beat.
[00:45] <ScottK-laptop> I like it that way.
[00:45] <directhex> but there are escape tunnels and get-out routes built into every stage. worst case scenario, we lose ms.net interop, but keep "something" which is a nice framework for *nix
[00:46] <directhex> i think it's a positive for people with a windows background to be able to knock up some kde4 plasma in a language they already know, in a few minutes. but if that goes, well, c'est la vie
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I think that is potentially an optimistic assessment.  Recall that in the patent game independent invention doesn't help.
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> Sure. I agree.
[00:47] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, in the yank patent system, prior art doesn't help either! :p
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> I'm glad to provide the bindings, but wouldn't want it in our core anywhere.
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Yes.  The system is broken, but it's the one we got.
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> Although there was a recent court case that seems likely to significantly narrow what's patentable in software.
[00:48] <directhex> it's not in gnome's core either. one or two apps... the apps can be swapped out. they might be inferior replacements (that's an argument i'm NOT getting into, one the desktop team can have far away from me)
[00:49] <directhex> i just want ubuntu to be absolutely the most attractive platform for anyone for anything. with best of breed apps everywhere. and i don't want to have some mandate on what free software devs may and may not use as a language
[00:49] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah, I'm good with that.
[00:50] <directhex> fr'example, dropping beagle for tracker... good! i want the best, not the monoest. but equally, i want the best, not the least monoey, when comparing f-spot to the competition
[00:51] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  I really have no opinion on those since I don't run Gnome.
[00:52] <directhex> tracker instead of beagle was an obvious choice. other questions... not my call, and i don't use notetaking or photo org apps. but the desktop team made that call, and i want to help support that
[00:54] <ScottK-laptop> Well kde4libs on armel is at 65% and it started 4 hours ago, so we have a while yet.  How's your test build going?
[00:55] <directhex> 68%
[00:55] <directhex> i need a new pc really. one of those nice new i7 chips...
[00:55] <ScottK-laptop> My desktop is still running Dapper and compiling big packages on a laptop with a 4200rpm micro hard drive is not fun.
[00:56] <ScottK-laptop> I really need to upgrade the desktop.
[00:56] <FireRabbit> dapper, wow :)
[00:56] <ScottK-laptop> It's still working nicely for me and I really don't need any of the fancy new stuff for doing $WORK.
[00:56] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, i compiled OOo on my laptop for testing mono transition patches. fast cpu, but still a laptop...
[00:57] <ScottK-laptop> Well kde4bindings doesn't take that long.
[00:57] <ScottK-laptop> What's fun is suspending in the middle of a build, resuming, and having it work.
[00:57] <ScottK-laptop> That always suprises me.
[00:57] <directhex> :o
[00:58] <directhex> if i knew that worked, i wouldn't have had the laptop open & eating the battery on the drive home from work
[00:58] <ScottK-laptop> I won't swear it always works, but it's worked for me.
[01:00] <directhex> well... it's a rather new laptop, not everything works right yet
[01:00] <directhex> impressive given some of the hardware only had git patch based support about a month before intrepid release, but not 100%
[01:00] <directhex> i wasn't expecting it to even boot pre-jaunty though
[01:03] <ScottK-laptop> So kde4libs took 8 hours on armel last time, so we've got 4+ hours before I could upload anything.
[01:04] <directhex> [ 88%] Building lib/qt-dotnet.dll
[01:04] <ScottK-laptop> Gotta run (ballet lesson is over).  See you in about an hour.
[01:09] <nixternal> Description: <insert up to 60 chars description> <insert long description, indented with spaces>
[01:09] <nixternal> what is that all about? that is the mozilla-plugin-plasma package description
[01:10] <nixternal> even though it isn't an official repo, could we at least make sure we at least follow the standards
[01:10] <nixternal> especially when you have Ubuntu MOTU Developers set as the maintainer of the package
[01:13] <nixternal> apachelogger: will you please add me to ~kubuntu-experimental so I can upload?
[01:13] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ or you I guess :)
[01:17] <directhex> dpkg-deb: building package `libsoprano2.0-cil' in `../libsoprano2.0-cil_4.1.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[01:24] <Riddell> nixternal: approved
[01:27] <nixternal> thank you sir
[01:37] <directhex> hm. okay, how do i do something with my local bzr changes?
[01:39] <nixternal> bzr ci -m 'these are my changes' && bzr push
[01:46] <directhex> i'm lost. i just about managed to get it onto the internest. someone do something useful with https://code.launchpad.net/~directhex/+junk/monotransition
[01:47] <directhex> it's nearly 2am, i need some sleep. tell ScottK i said hi
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> Back.  How's it going?
[02:01] <jjesse> cold
[02:02] <ScottK-laptop> jjesse: @ UDS/fosscamp?
[02:10] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Did it finish yet?
[02:12] <jjesse> ScottK-laptop: nope i get there on sunday night
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> jjesse: Ah.  Well good luck with it.
[02:12] <jjesse> is there a #uds or #fosscamp
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.  I'm sure there is/will be.
[02:12] <Riddell> #fosscamp for now
[02:12] <jjesse> ah
[02:13] <jjesse> and #uds soon
[02:13] <jjesse> ?
[02:15] <Riddell> jjesse: dunno, check if it's registered I guess
[02:18] <ScottK-laptop> jjesse: It'll likely be #uds-jaunty or some such.
[02:31]  * ScottK-laptop moves on to the next stop for the evening.
[06:18]  * ScottK-laptop is looking into kde4bindings now.
[06:23] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Diff looks good.  Test building now.  I'd have given bonus points for a lintian over-ride for E: kde4bindings source: missing-build-dependency-for-dh_-command dh_clifixperms=cli-common-dev
[06:25] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Also I looked at irclogs.ubuntu.com and saw where you put your stuff.  That worked great.  It was easy to merge with what I had already.
[07:45] <ScottK-laptop> Argh!!! http://paste.ubuntu.com/81250/
[07:45] <ScottK-laptop> I think this happened before and it built OK on the buildd, so I just uploaded it to my PPA to see ...
[07:50] <Hobbsee> strange?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> did /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/ exist at the time?
[07:56] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[07:56] <ScottK-laptop> Other files got copied into it.
[07:56] <ScottK-laptop> I think something is weird in my chroot.
[07:57] <ScottK-laptop> If it builds on my ppa, then I'm going to dump the chroot and make a new one.
[07:57]  * ScottK-laptop heads to bed.  I'll upload it if it built tomorrow.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> very weird
[08:01] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.
[08:01] <ScottK-laptop> I pushed the changes so far into the bzr repo and I'm heading to bed.
[09:48] <NCommander> morning apachelogger and ScottK
[09:51] <NCommander> I have a request, can someone please look into uploading kde4bindings from the PPA (it builds; test built in my PPA)
[11:02] <snikker> i've got this error: KDEInit could not launch «/usr/bin/kate» (i've posted here because i've got no answer in #kubuntu)
[11:04] <Hobbsee> do you have kate installed?
[11:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: that error happens for a lot of programs for me,but they start still
[11:05] <snikker> yes, is instellaed and run, but i've got the error when i open a second text file
[11:05] <Hobbsee> strange
[11:07] <snikker> this appen only with the -u switch in the kate.desktop file (kate -u %U)
[11:20] <snikker> is not possible fix it?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> i've no idea
[12:44] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, can you *please* ensure the debian kde team gets its hands on the mono 2.0 transition stuff - or do i need to bug them myself?
[13:28] <ScottK> directhex: I can send it to them.
[13:29] <ScottK> directhex: Not quite out of the woods yet though: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20254100/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.kde4bindings_4:4.1.80-0ubuntu2~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:30] <ScottK> If NCommander shows up,maybe someone can point him at that ...
[13:37] <cbr> the default volume change shortcut in kmix @ kde 4.2 beta1 is the PCM slider.. and it changes sound for VLC etc, but it doesnt affect Amarok one bit
[13:37] <cbr> why is that?
[13:47] <directhex> [ 88%] Building lib/qt-dotnet.dll
[13:47] <directhex> cd /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/obj-i686-linux-gnulp/csharp/qyoto && /usr/bin/csc -debug -define:DEBUG -unsafe -warn:0 -keyfile:/build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/key.snk -out:/build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/obj-i686-linux-gnulp/lib/qt-dotnet.dll -target:library /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/src/SmokeInvocation.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/src/SmokeMarshallers.cs /build/buildd/kd
[13:47] <directhex> e4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/src/Qyoto.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/src/QyotoMetaData.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/src/AssemblyInfo.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/core/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/gui/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/network/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/sql/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4binding
[13:47] <directhex> s-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/xml/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/svg/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/opengl/*.cs /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/qyoto/qdbus/*.cs
[13:47] <directhex> hm, that was longer than expected
[13:48] <directhex> "[ 89%] Built target qt-dotnet" is the important bit tho. it certainly *seems* to be built
[13:49] <directhex> -- Installing: /build/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/debian/tmp/usr/lib/mono/gac/qt-dotnet/<IP_ADDRESS>__194a23ba31c08164/qt-dotnet.dll
[15:23] <apachelogger> directhex: interesting approach to length really
[15:43] <directhex> apachelogger, the key point is "it's building that dll fine"
[16:06] <apachelogger> directhex: but not in the path we try to copy it from
[16:07] <apachelogger> directhex: I think the whole copying in debian/rules can be dumped ... my guess is that in 4.1.73 qyoto didn't install the files, which appears to be working now
[16:09] <DaSkreech> Anyone having issues with present windows in the beta?
[16:22] <nixternal> apachelogger: we have anythign close to amarok 2 packages yet?
[16:23] <smarter> nixternal: amarok-kde4
[16:23] <smarter> if you're speaking of 2.0.0, it's packaged and waiting for official release
[16:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: not in jaunty
[16:23]  * nixternal is using intrepid
[16:23] <apachelogger> we need a working mysql5.1 first
[16:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: kubuntu-members-kde4
[16:23] <smarter> yay, krunner crashed
[16:24] <nixternal> roger that, thanks apachelogger
[16:24] <apachelogger> or you join the ninjas, in which case you would get access to 2.0+apacheloggerfix :P
[16:24] <apachelogger> hm
[16:24] <apachelogger> actually apacheloggerfix is not uploaded yet ;-)
[16:25] <apachelogger> somone broke my oxygen icons btw
[16:26] <apachelogger> oh, I have serious version conflicts
[16:27] <nixternal> how do I join these ninjas?
[16:33] <DaSkreech> With stealth
[16:39] <directhex> apachelogger, right, sure. i'm also a little curious about the nepomuk problem, but i don't think it's a priority#
[16:39] <paracetamolo1> hello
[16:40] <paracetamolo1> I'd like to know if there is a digikam 0.10package planned in the near future
[16:40] <paracetamolo1> because otherwise I'll try to compile it from sources
[16:41] <paracetamolo1> thanks
[16:43] <apachelogger> directhex: the nepomuk problem isn't a problem, that is an upstramish issue of source distribution
[16:43] <apachelogger> paracetamolo1: sure
[16:44] <paracetamolo1> when it will be available?
[16:44] <paracetamolo1> a week or two month?
[16:44] <apachelogger> in the near future
[16:44] <paracetamolo1> just to have an idea
[16:45] <paracetamolo1> ok
[16:45] <paracetamolo1> thank you guys for your work
[16:45] <paracetamolo1> I know you're keeping busy :)
[16:45] <apachelogger> we certainly do ;-)
[16:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: 2 questions: 1) shall I dump debian/cdbs from kde-l10n and use kde4.mk instead 2) can the debian/scripts stuff be dropped from kdesdk in favor of pkg-tools-kde?
[16:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes and yes
[16:49] <Riddell> the second one already should be
[16:49] <Riddell> oh well, kdesdk needs changed still I guess
[16:50] <apachelogger> yes
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: having fun at fosscamp?
[17:24] <ScottK-laptop> debian bug 498868
[17:42] <ScottK-laptop> I think I figured it out.
[17:46] <smarter> where does Plasma stores the gethotnewstuff-downloaded themes?
[17:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, pleasant enough http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/2008-06-12-uds-hot-tub.jpg
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe :D
[17:51] <ScottK-laptop> Uploaded another try on kde4bindings to my PPA.  We'll see if it survives on LPIA or not ...
[17:59] <NCommander> hye all
[17:59] <NCommander> *hey
[18:00] <NCommander> ScottK, monring/afternoon
[18:01] <ScottK> NCommander: Hey.
[18:01] <NCommander> ScottK, did you get a chance to look at kde4bindings again
[18:02] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  We almost got the mono stuff building.
[18:02] <ScottK-laptop> Your stuff is good.
[18:02] <ScottK-laptop> I just tossed another try at my PPA.  The last one built on amd64/i386, but not lpia.
[18:02] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, yay for good stuff.
[18:02] <ScottK-laptop> I think I got it though.  We'll see.
[18:03] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, is it just the mono binding thats broken? (I'm only being somewhat insistant on this because this should fix bindings on ARM)
[18:03] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Yes.  I'll upload something today either way.  Either your stuff if I don't get mono sorted or all of it if I do.
[18:05] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Should know in about 32 minutes: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/+build/807003
[18:05] <NCommander> Thanks ScottK, sorry to nag
[18:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: No problem. I understand why you're anxious.
[18:06] <ScottK-laptop> I wasn't going to do a new bindings upload until after your latest kde4libs was done on armel anyway, so you've only lost ~15 hours.
[18:06] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I probably should apply the standard disclaimer; I have yet to be able build kde4bindings on armel (yay for slow shitty HW)
[18:07] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Well if we're fixing other stuff, if that one doesn't go so well it's not a wasted upload.
[18:08] <NCommander> yeah
[18:08] <NCommander> I don't want to send any patches upstream until I'm sure everything going to work sanely
[18:08] <NCommander> as far as I can tell, we're the first people to try compiling the KDE4 series on ARM hardware
[18:08] <NCommander> or 4.1-4.2
[18:09] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I've seen KDE4 on seele's N810, so I know that's not true.
[18:09] <ScottK-laptop> It was 4.1 she had.
[18:09] <NCommander> Its strange, I'd like to know how they got it to compile
[18:09] <NCommander> The Debian ARM guys have been scratching on how to get it working it seems
[18:10]  * ScottK-laptop looks at seele, becuase he doesn't remember where she got it.
[18:13] <smarter> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3546 maybe?
[18:22]  * ScottK-laptop needs to run $MIDDLE_CHILD to school, so I'll be back in ~45 minutes to see how kde4bindings worked out.
[18:29] <NCommander> ah
[18:30] <Riddell> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Maemo/KDE4_on_n810
[18:44] <paracetamolo1> for problems relative to kde4.2 beta, may I ask here?
[18:44] <smarter> depends
[18:44] <smarter> ask, we'll see
[18:45] <paracetamolo1> packaging issue i guess
[18:45] <paracetamolo1> I keep getting 'broken pipe'
[18:45] <paracetamolo1> during kubuntu upgrades
[18:45] <smarter> "broken pipe" is not the error, just a consequence of the error
[18:45] <paracetamolo1> this time kde-window-manager and systemsettings
[18:46] <smarter> please paste the full log so that we can see what really is the error(thought I already have an idea)
[18:46] <paracetamolo1> won't install, because they will overwrite some files from kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:47] <paracetamolo1> one sec, I tell you the precise files
[18:47] <smarter> yup, that's it, we've some overwrite problems
[18:47] <paracetamolo1> systemsetting --> /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_fonts.so
[18:48] <paracetamolo1> kde-window-maanger --> /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/plasma-add-shortcut-to-menu
[18:48] <paracetamolo1> theese are the file each package is trying to overwrite
[18:49] <paracetamolo1> both files also belong to kde-workspace-bin
[18:50] <paracetamolo1> i tryed with $ dpkg --force-overwrite -i kde-window-manager
[18:51] <paracetamolo1> ooops: tryed -> tried
[18:54] <paracetamolo1> when i launch kwin it prints:
[18:54] <paracetamolo1> kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libkephal.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:57] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: It built, so after I fiddle debian/changelog for the archive, I'll upload it.
[18:57]  * NCommander nods
[19:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Uploaded.  Did you see R!dell's Maemo link?
[19:06] <NCommander> no
[19:07] <seele> ScottK-laptop: sebas is the one who started the n810 howto and i added some logic gap stuff
[19:08] <seele> unfortunately the person who is maintaining the packages doesnt have time to do it anymore.. and so i think only 4.1.1 is available
[19:08] <seele> and it's buggy as all hell
[19:08] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: ^^^^
[19:09] <seele> NCommander: also.. don't replace the hilden desktop default or else your device will crash and reboot
[19:09] <NCommander> seele, oh, I see, well, we'll be working to change that, once everything is compiled
[19:26] <seele> sweet
[20:07] <seele> brr.. can't wait to get to cali for a week
[20:26] <DaSkreech> seele: What's the occasion?
[21:04] <nixternal> almost forgot to do my pre-boarding crap for tomorrow's flight...luckily I got in Boarding Group "A"
[21:28] <Riddell> nixternal, seele: do you know when you're getting in?
[21:36] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd go ahead and bin New kde4bindings when you have a moment.  It's built on most archs now.
[21:53] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: best say binary instead of bin, I might mistake it for a verb :)
[21:53] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  binary then ...
[21:54] <Riddell> who's the hero that fixed it?
[21:54] <NCommander> wait, what?
[21:54] <NCommander> hey Riddell and ScottK
[21:55] <Riddell> kde4bindings is in new
[21:55] <ScottK> NCommander did the armel stuff (that's still going, so keep your fingers crossed), directhex did the mono stuff, and I did a bit a cleaned so mono would build on lpia
[21:55] <ScottK> a cleaned/of cleanup
[21:55] <NCommander> Riddell, yay
[21:55] <NCommander> I think it should build on armel
[21:56] <NCommander> I don't know if KDE proper is actually going to work (I had to write a good chunk of code in kde4libs to get it to handle floats)
[21:56] <directhex> ScottK, i'm curious about what was needed for the lpia breakage
[21:57] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[21:57] <ScottK> directhex:  In debian/rules change cp obj-*-linux-gnu/lib/qt-dotnet.dll rules to cp obj-*-linux-gnu*/lib/qt-dotnet.dll because lpia uses obj-i686-linux-gnulp
[21:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[21:57] <directhex> ScottK, aha! explains why it built fine in my amd64 pbuilder
[21:57] <directhex> ScottK, thanks for the info
[21:58] <NCommander> wooo
[21:58]  * NCommander hugs directhex
[21:59] <ScottK> directhex: I had to diff the relevant bits of the i386 and lpia build logs to figure it out.
[22:01] <NCommander> ScottK, w.r.t. to kde4bindings, I'm happy to report its past its previous FTBFS point
[22:01] <directhex> ScottK, well investigated, though. i know how frustrating seemingly inexplicable problems can be, when there's no rational reason why it isn't working
[22:01] <NCommander> directhex, the reverse is true, when something is working yet logic says it shouldn't :-/
[22:02] <directhex> NCommander, i spent all of friday with funny problems at work, caused by the lack of /etc/ldap.secret
[22:02] <NCommander> yay for LDAP's lack of quality documentation -_-;
[22:03] <ScottK> NCommander: Kewl.
[22:03]  * NCommander needs to figure out how to get from the airport to the hotel
[22:03] <ScottK> directhex: I'm just glad I actually found and fixed an FTBFS like that myself instead of just getting NCommander to do it for me like I usually do.
[22:03]  * NCommander sighs
[22:04] <NCommander> ScottK, which FTBFS was this? Mono?
[22:04] <ScottK> NCommander: Yeah on lpia.
[22:04] <ScottK> The mono bindings part of kde4bindings specifically.
[22:04] <NCommander> yuck
[22:04] <NCommander> Oh yay
[22:04] <NCommander> that means KDE on lpia might actually build
[22:04] <ScottK> Yeah.
[22:05]  * NCommander finds it kinda pathetic that KDE needs actual porting to ARM
[22:05] <NCommander> Granted, its nothing major, but isn't the point of Qt this isn't necessary :-/
[22:05] <ScottK> NCommander: Well it's a beta.  This is a great time to be finding these problems.
[22:05] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah ...
[22:05]  * NCommander looks at the build backlog
[22:06] <ScottK> This is excatly why we jump to the next release as soons as we can ...
[22:06] <Hobbsee> NCommander: check when people are grabbing taxis.  or take the shuttle.
[22:06] <NCommander> What shuttle?
[22:06]  * NCommander perfers mass transit if possible
[22:06] <directhex> and why i wanted the mono transition early! although the actual mono changes to kde4bindings are tiny... it's unrelated kde suckage that caused further issues ;)
[22:06] <NCommander> Hobbsee, you state side?
[22:07] <NCommander> directhex, KDE has a lot of suckage w.r.t. to compiling the damn thing from source
[22:07] <Hobbsee> NCommander: huh?
[22:07] <NCommander> Hobbsee, are you in the United States
[22:07] <Hobbsee> super shuttle.  didn't you get jorge's mail
[22:07] <Hobbsee> NCommander: no, i leave in ~6 hours
[22:07] <NCommander> or still in Australia
[22:07] <NCommander> ah
[22:07] <ScottK> directhex: It would have been convenient to not deal with the mono transition at the same time we were in the middle of KDE 4.1 -> 4.2, but as you say, better early.
[22:07] <NCommander> Yeah, I did
[22:07] <directhex> when's UDS coming back to oxford, then? i could actually go if it was in oxford ;)
[22:07] <Hobbsee> NCommander: i still have 1 car, 1 bus, 2 trains, 1 plane, and 1 taxi in front of me...
[22:07] <NCommander> But I *hate* taking private transportation if avoidable
[22:07] <NCommander> Hobbsee, O_o;
[22:08] <Hobbsee> yay for trackwork.
[22:08] <Hobbsee> NCommander: there might be trains / buses etc - i've no idea.
[22:08] <NCommander> I've been to SF before
[22:08] <NCommander> I just need to see if the hotel is close to a BART or MUNI station
[22:08]  * NCommander did get his jacket pressed
[22:08] <NCommander> I don't know how things just get wrinkled hanging in my closet
[22:09] <ScottK> NCommander: Apparently Google maps is all you need: http://luisbg.blogalia.com//historias/60930
[22:09] <NCommander> Yeah, I saw that
[22:09] <NCommander> I'll never visit the pier again
[22:09] <NCommander> I got divebombed by pidegons
[22:09]  * DaSkreech throws flowers on Hobbsee
[22:10] <ScottK> Riddell: "it's important to sample the local culture, even if it is raw meat" is priceless.
[22:10] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: thanks!
[22:10]  * Hobbsee plays in the flower petals
[22:10]  * NCommander pulls out the snowblower and dumps snow on Hobbsee
[22:11] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm amazed I didn't have any problems after eating it
[22:11] <NCommander> *sigh*
[22:11] <NCommander> Its been fun
[22:11] <NCommander> But I got to get on the road again
[22:11] <NCommander> I'll drop in later
[22:13]  * ScottK will be back in a couple of hours ...
[23:13]  * NCommander grumbles
[23:13] <siekacz> hi
[23:14] <NCommander> Miserable
[23:14] <NCommander> Absolutely ****ing miserable
[23:17] <seele> Riddell: I get in a little after 17:00 Sunday
[23:18] <Hobbsee> NCommander: why?
[23:18] <Riddell> hi siekacz
[23:18] <NCommander> kde4bindings and sip can burn
[23:18] <NCommander> Every time I plug one FTBFS, two more crop up somewhere else
[23:18] <siekacz> kde4 doesn't respect resolution settings
[23:37] <seele> who was working on printing?
[23:40] <Riddell> seele: which part of it?
[23:42] <DaSkreech> Riddell was doing printing stuff as I recall
[23:42] <seele> Riddell: the wizard
[23:43] <seele> Riddell: no error message when you put a space in the printer name.. it just sits there when you click OK to complete the printer installation
[23:43] <Riddell> seele: Arby seems to have volunteered, it's still on my to do as well
[23:43] <Riddell> it should allow a space surely
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Don't call her surly
[23:44] <seele> Riddell: i thought there are two names.  what is labelled as the "printer name" is the system name and i dont think cups allows you to have a space
[23:44] <seele> the logical name is the "description" and can be whatever you want
[23:44] <seele> unless that isnt the problem and it is a different bug
[23:45] <Riddell> bugs.kde.org is the best place for bugs
[23:46] <seele> yep
[23:50] <Riddell> although poking here is useful too so I actually know to look at it :)
[23:50] <DaSkreech> Anyone one something newer than the KDE 4.2 beta right now?
[23:55] <DaSkreech> Where is the upstream bug database for X.org ?
[23:55] <DaSkreech> Free desktop?
[23:58] <Riddell> think so
[23:59] <DaSkreech> ok


[09:48] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[09:48] <MarwenDo> hello Kilos
[14:05] <Na3iL> O/
[14:06] <Kilos> o/
[14:06] <Kilos> \o
[14:06] <Na3iL> Kilos, how are you and how your brother doing today?
[14:07] <Kilos> i didnt go with to see him, sister and her daughter went , so im waiting for feedback
[14:16] <Na3iL> I hope feedbacks will be good
[14:17] <Kilos> ty


[00:15] <tsimonq2> ScottK: you got a bug number? I lost it
 https://youtu.be/MjoXzvfN69M
[00:52] <ahoneybun> yea I saw mention of that today
[01:58] <ScottK> Not on my phone. I think I have it on my laptop.
[02:21] <tsimonq2> night o/
[02:29] <valorie> niters simon
[04:37] <ScottK> tsimonq2: Bug 1630700.  hefee (on #debian-qt-kde) says there are some additional commits needed to fully fix it.
[04:38] <ScottK> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kcoreaddons.git&a=commitdiff&h=a06cef31cc4c908bc9b76bd9d103fe9c60e0953f
[04:38] <ScottK> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kcoreaddons.git&a=commitdiff&h=5e13d2439dbf540fdc840f0b0ab5b3ebf6642c6a
[04:38] <ScottK> So in addition to Xenial , Yakkity needs some additional fixing.
[04:39] <ScottK> clivejo: ^^^
[07:32] <CRogers> Mornin. :)
[07:41] <acheronuk> Morning :)
[08:16] <santa_> good morning everyone
[08:17] <santa_> tsimonq2: I think we will get there once yakkety is out, we had to stuggle so much to get that in yakkety
[08:22] <acheronuk> still needs merging to xenial_backorts
[08:22] <santa_> kubuntu_xenial_backports
[08:22] <santa_> that won't be a problem
[08:22] <santa_> mparillo: I agree very much that the slowness in the updates is the key problem of kubuntu right now. there are a couple issues which are contibuting to that:
[08:22] <santa_> 1. lack of permissions of people working on the packaging (rik,clive,simon,myself)
[08:23] <santa_> 2. failing autotests, which makes our packages get stuck in -proposed
[08:23] <santa_> about 1. I think the kubuntu council is on the mood to cooperate
[08:24] <santa_> also we did some progress in that area: I got permissions to push my changes to git and upload to the ppas and clive got permissions to upload our packaging to the archive
[08:24] <acheronuk> santa_: yep. the one thing really blocking is testing on XX and sorting out what else needs copying over from Qt overlay ppas or rebuilding for the qt ABI change
[08:25] <acheronuk> I imagine we can put that together in the landing ppa in fairly short order though, then test
[08:27] <santa_> mparillo: there's still work to be done about 1. rik is going to increase his status applying for membership, I also plan to apply for membership, then for 'Kubuntu Developer' that would give me permissions to upload packages to the archive
[08:28] <santa_> mparillo: about 2. it's easy to fix, we will check the failing autotests in advance so we won't be so stuck on that
[08:29] <santa_> mparillo: and I would add 3. like acheronuk pointed out, sometimes we don't have the Qt packages we need, which are not maintained by us. but we can work with the people who does
[08:30] <santa_> mparillo: so to sum up, I think it's feasible to improve that, but it will take some time and work
[08:30] <acheronuk> santa_: membership won't give me very more permissions on what is really needed
[08:31] <acheronuk> *very much
[08:31] <acheronuk> but it is a stepping stone :)
[08:31] <santa_> acheronuk: but you are one step less far from becoming a "Kubuntu Developer" and get permissions to upload our packaging
[08:32] <acheronuk> santa_: a gigantic step away
[08:32] <santa_> not really
[08:33] <santa_> it's not such a big deal, and you are smart enough to fill any gaps in your knowledge
[08:38] <acheronuk> perhaps. in my head it's like an exam, and I've always wanted to pass those with top marks rather than scraping a pass. maybe I'll have to adjust that aspiration slightly
[08:39] <mparillo> TY santa_ and I hope it did not sound like I was complaining. We are all volunteers here.
[08:40] <santa_> mparillo: sure, you don't "complain" in a bad way :)
[08:41] <mparillo> On another note, thank you for moving calligra along. I see:  [Notice] -queuebot to #ubuntu-release- New binary: calligra [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:2.9.11-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu) Does that mean it will be added back to the ISO, and does that mean there will be another respin to test?
[08:42] <santa_> apparently it's not on the kubuntu iso, or so they said
[08:43] <santa_> right now is in yakkety-proposed and I have the impression it would be in yakety-updates once yakkety is out
[08:43] <mparillo> Excellent. You unstuck the builds by moving it to -proposed.
[08:44] <acheronuk> I *think* some part of calligra (data package?) used to get dragged onto the iso via deps or something
[08:57] <jimarvan> good morning peeps
[08:57] <jimarvan> how is it going?
[09:00] <acheronuk> morning.
[09:01] <acheronuk> not bad I think jimarvan :)
[09:01] <acheronuk> issues to sort as always, but YY isos seem done
[09:02] <jimarvan> :D
[09:02] <acheronuk> iso testing welcome http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds
[09:02] <jimarvan> thanks
[09:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:02] <jimarvan> downloading right away
[09:02] <jimarvan> hey BluesKaj
[09:03] <BluesKaj> hi jimarvan
[10:42] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[10:42] <acheronuk> do we copy the XX ones and go from there?
 about 1. I think the kubuntu council is on the mood to cooperate  - I dont think it is their mood.  Decisions are made on a range of skills and attributes, such as contributions, working as part of a team, working within the established workflow, and also willingness and ability to mentor/support potential team members.  I don't think mood comes into it!
[10:51] <santa_> "mood" so to speak
[10:52] <clivejo> well its release day :)
[10:52] <clivejo> and a big thankyou to you santa_ for all the work you put in
[10:52] <clivejo> its also my pups 1st birthday :)
[10:53] <santa_> yeah, I think I never had so much hair, so much beard and so many pizza boxes in my table XD
[10:53] <santa_> we will handle things better for zz I hope :)
[10:53] <acheronuk> +1 on the big thank you. we would have been in a deep hole without your hard work
[10:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: happy birthday to the pup :)
[10:56] <clivejo> I dont think he knows its his birthday
[10:56] <clivejo> hes running about like its just any old day
[10:57] <clivejo> we need cake!
[10:57] <acheronuk> I can still wish him one :P
[10:57] <clivejo> wish I could find a ball or toy he couldnt kill within 30mins of giving it to him
[10:57] <acheronuk> mmmmm..... cake
[11:00] <clivejo> ScottK: RE: LP 1630700 yakkety needs additional fixing?
[11:01] <acheronuk> and thankyou to shadeslayer_ for help uploading etc :)
[11:01] <clivejo> +1
[11:01] <shadeslayer_> you're most welcome :)
[11:02] <shadeslayer_> congrats on the release! :D
[11:19] <santa_> shadeslayer_: yes, thank you very much!
[11:26] <tsimonq2> Hey, we need three more Lubuntu testcases done, if anyone has a machine to spare, PLEASE help us out.
[11:42] <ScottK> clivejo: check with hefee on #debian-qt-kde, but AIUI, yes.  Those two additional commits I linked.
[13:10] <acheronuk> copied release notes over and made some initial changes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[13:10] <acheronuk> still needs some sorting though
 I'll work when I get home
[14:44] <jimarvan> :D
[14:44] <soee> o/
[14:46] <acheronuk> as always, jumping the gun http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/download-ubuntu-16-10-flavors
[15:22] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-October/000213.html
[16:15] <jimarvan> RELEASE DAY
[16:15] <jimarvan> yay :D
[16:16] <jimarvan> when do we put it on the news?
[16:17] <acheronuk> when Aaron gets off work I think
[16:17] <tsimonq2> jimarvan: as soon as either ahoneybun valorie or ovidiuflorin realizes we have a release today :P
[16:18] <jimarvan> :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> another anticlimctic release day for us testers :-)
[16:18] <jimarvan> haha
[16:18] <jimarvan> indeed
[16:18] <tsimonq2> :D
[16:18] <jimarvan> we need to put some fireworks on
[16:18] <jimarvan> need bam bum stuff
[16:18] <jimarvan> :P
[16:18] <BluesKaj> no upgrades
[16:19] <jimarvan> BluesKaj: trust me Rick can make it sound like the upgrade of the century
[16:19] <jimarvan> :P
[16:19] <soee_> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/kubuntu-16-10-is-out-with-kde-plasma-5-7-applications-16-04-3-frameworks-5-26-509267.shtml
[16:20] <BluesKaj> the upgrade passed yesterday, for me at least, jimarvan
[16:20] <jimarvan> ;)
[16:20] <jimarvan> talk to you laters!
[16:20] <jimarvan> leaving office, see ya :D
[16:43] <mamarley> Do we know what ZZ is going to be called yet?
[16:43] <mamarley> Keeping with the American rock music theme of the previous release, it could be called ZZ Top. :p
[16:52] <acheronuk> nothing on mark's blog yet to say
[16:58] <alleehol> muon
[16:59] <alleehol> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu mentions muon update manger for upgrades.   That doesn't exist and AFAICS muon is not even part of kubuntu-desktop
[17:12] <soee> usually new name is 1 week after release
[17:12] <clivejo> was same day for yakkety
[17:13] <acheronuk> soee: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/release-name-notice.png
[17:15] <acheronuk> could be today. could be longer
[17:17] <soee> while waiting for zz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tvmzfyaT4
[17:17]  * mamarley starts playing "Gimme All Your Lovin'" on an imaginary drumset.
[17:18] <acheronuk> I'm hoping he celebrates the end of the alphabet by breaking the animal theme, and goes for Z***** Zombie
[17:19]  * clivejo yawns
[17:21] <mamarley> clivejo: How can you possibly be thinking about sleeping with all this racket coming from my imaginary drumset? :p
[17:21] <clivejo> I seem to have managed to tune you out!
[17:21] <soee> clivejo: https://goo.gl/UflWr
[17:22] <clivejo> :/
[17:23] <clivejo> you must have a huge library of funny stuff
[17:26] <clivejo> anyone know how Phil was providing containers on Linode?
[17:27] <soee> btw. where is he these days ?
[17:28] <clivejo> hes taking some time off
[17:31] <tsimonq2> Hey, depending on how I feel tomorrow, thers
[17:32] <tsimonq2> *there's a chance I might take the weekend off
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Maybe even neext week
[17:32] <tsimonq2> *nexxt
[17:32] <tsimonq2> argh you get it
[17:32] <tsimonq2> This was a HARSH release
[17:34] <santa_> yep
[17:36] <acheronuk> clivejo: IRC logs https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/07/23/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t01:46
[17:37] <clivejo> LOL reading it now
[17:37] <acheronuk> not sure that really helps, but was when Phil was setting up the linode ones I think
[17:37] <clivejo> Im at evil_yofel
[17:37] <acheronuk> LOL
[17:40] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: whatever you need to do.
[17:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: cosas buenas
[17:44] <clivejo> ahoneybun: ping
[17:46] <tsimonq2> Going AFK extra early today. o/
 Softpedia is going crazy on twitter that Kubuntu 16.10 has been released
[17:52] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: yep, I saw.
 Do we consider it released, or we don't really have a choice?
 Can someone please give me some release notes, so I can update the site?
[17:53] <clivejo> does anyone know how Phil created the containers on Linode
[17:53] <acheronuk> nope
[17:54] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: not finished yet, but.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 yeah...
 ok
 I'll link to it
 from the download page
[17:56] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: we are released AFAIK, but just running to catch up....
[17:58] <acheronuk> lubuntu notes are still 16.04, so we are not the last to catch up
 SHould I put 16.10 to be first?
 or leave the latest LTS to be first?
 on the download page?
 I'd put the latest on top
 But Ubuntu puts the latest LTS on top
 Should I still keep 14.04 there?
[18:04] <acheronuk> if me, I would leave 16.10 at the top, and leave 14.04 there at the bottom as well
[18:04] <acheronuk> as far as I am concered, using the LTS is an option, not the default choice
[18:04] <mamarley> That is my opinion too, if it matters.
[18:05] <acheronuk> and keeping it chronological top to bottom is less confusing
 That's what I did
 now if someone (hint valorie or ahoneybun @ahoneybun) wants to write a blog post for our site, I'll gradly publish it
 the updated download pages are onlline
[18:11] <clivejo> tsimonq2: are you running a container inside your container on Linode?
 Listen here you, some people have jobs and such
 What's up clivejo?
[18:49] <ahoneybun> clivejo: pong
[19:01] <ahoneybun> some good news: https://plus.google.com/+KristerHallergard/posts/95aF1hJweNA
[19:01] <ahoneybun> acheronuk already commented on it
[19:12] <clivejo> ahoneybun: its ok, got sorted
[19:13] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:14] <clivejo> I wanted the login details for the Linode main container
[19:15] <ahoneybun> I do not have that
[19:28]  * ahoneybun works a little on the release post
[19:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: around to review it?
[19:46] <ahoneybun> yay minor bugs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370703
[19:55] <valorie> around to review wha?
[19:55] <valorie> just got online
 The release post for the site
[19:55] <valorie> and haven't read up yet
[19:56] <valorie> ok
 Alright
[19:57] <valorie> we're going to keep the LTS banner?
[19:58] <valorie> i guess that's OK
[19:58] <valorie> most of our users are on the LTS
 I don't have anything
 to me it looks like we forgot to change it
 No one made anything
 LTS is an option people can take, but 16.10 is the latest supported release
 who made the LTS one?
 Andreas
[20:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: aren't we linking to upgrade notes and the download site?
 He's in the Podcast Telegram group
 Well opps
[20:01] <valorie> if you give me the links here I'll add 'em
 If we are debating if it needs changing or not, I guess we don't need to change it tonight. no with urgency anyway
[20:03] <ahoneybun> alright back in my room
[20:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't think those pages are done
 personally I think the banner should highlight the latest release
[20:04] <valorie> not much point in publishing until they are
[20:05] <valorie> the banner should wait, but we have to point to a page that tells people on the LTS how to turn that switch off, and the steps to upgrade
[20:05] <valorie> and those who want to download, where to get it from
[20:06] <ahoneybun> valorie: working on getting a VM up now
[20:06]  * ahoneybun deleted the 16.04 image ..
[20:06] <valorie> oops
[20:06] <valorie> I seed all of the supported ones, so I always have loads of images
 back later
[20:07] <valorie> oh, release note page has the info
[20:07] <valorie> perfect
[20:08] <valorie> we just need our download page updated
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I have limited space so...
[20:08] <ahoneybun> valorie: the download page where?
[20:08] <valorie> looks like that is already done as well
[20:08] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[20:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiuflorin did that
[20:08] <ahoneybun> yea just saw it
[20:09] <valorie> ok, will publish then
[20:09] <valorie> when we have the more elaborate notes about how to upgrade we can add that as well
[20:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: got a link for the upgrade from Xenial page?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I know there was a card somewhere
[20:09] <valorie> on the card
[20:10] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find it
[20:10] <valorie> published
[20:11] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:11] <ahoneybun> found it
 couldn't be too precise in the notes on upgrade, as I always do it via command line
[20:11] <valorie> me too
[20:11] <valorie> so much faster
[20:11] <valorie> sometimes I test the gui though
 and no GUI to crash!
[20:11] <valorie> didn't have time for that this time
[20:12] <valorie> gui did crash on me once a few years ago
[20:12] <valorie> fortunately I knew the commandline already
 last time I recall using the gui was maverick I think? :P
[20:22] <valorie> don't we have a cli workaround for the driver manager problem?
[20:22] <valorie> I should add that to the release notes
[20:22] <valorie> if the wiki lets me do it
[20:28] <tsimonq2> no ahoneybun I have a school, not a job
[20:28] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:28] <tsimonq2> clivejo: and a container inside that one
[20:30] <valorie> is it sudo ubuntu-drivers list ?
[20:34] <acheronuk>  Available commands:
[20:34] <acheronuk>    devices: Show all devices which need drivers, and which packages apply to them.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    list: Show all driver packages which apply to the current system.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    autoinstall: Install drivers that are appropriate for automatic installation.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    debug: Print all available information and debug data about drivers.
[20:35] <acheronuk> for sudo ubuntu-drivers
[20:36] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you playing Russian dolls with lxc containers?
[20:36] <valorie> so like, sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:36] <valorie> that seems a bit dicey
[20:36] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: how'd you guess? :D
[20:36] <acheronuk> not actually tried that one, I would not add that in the notes
[20:37] <valorie> when I invoked that,
[20:37] <valorie> he following additional packages will be installed:
[20:37] <valorie>   bbswitch-dkms lib32gcc1 libc6-i386 libcuda1-367 libjansson4 libxnvctrl0 nvidia-opencl-icd-367 nvidia-prime nvidia-settings ocl-icd-libopencl1 policykit-1-gnome screen-resolution-extra
[20:37] <valorie> I control C'd that
[20:37] <valorie> nope, nope
[20:38] <acheronuk> devices and list let you see what there is. then you can manually install with apt or a package manager what you want
[20:39] <acheronuk> saying that, even the basic nvidia-3XX driver pulls in a lot of packages like above
[20:40] <acheronuk> some on recommends though, which you could avoid
[20:43] <valorie> I trusted driver-manager output
[20:43] <valorie> and feel I don't know enough to mess with my drivers
[20:43] <valorie> autoinstall it seemed wanted to go a big far
[20:45] <acheronuk> would have not really done any harm. just much of it not really needed for all nvidia cards
[20:45] <valorie> well,
[20:45] <valorie> $ sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:45] <valorie> intel-microcode
[20:45] <valorie> nvidia-340
[20:45] <valorie> nvidia-367
[20:45] <valorie> so it seems I have what is recommended already
[20:46] <valorie> anyway, this is too involved for that wiki page
[20:46] <acheronuk> yep
[20:57] <valorie> am I the only one who still can't use "full-upgrade" with apt?
[20:57] <valorie> so annoying
[20:57] <valorie> have to use dist-upgrade like the old days
[20:57] <valorie> heh, and nothing to upgrade today
[21:12] <ahoneybun> mm I can't click next on the 16.04 image
[21:12] <ahoneybun> in a VM
[21:12] <ahoneybun> just not clickable
[21:22] <clivejo> does anyone know where Jenkin's stores its keys?
[21:24] <tsimonq2> s/Jenkin's/Jenkins/
[21:24]  * clivejo slap's tsimonq2
[21:25] <tsimonq2> s/slap's/slaps/
[21:25] <tsimonq2> learn grammar! :P
[21:25] <clivejo> Im dyslexic, I cant
[21:26] <tsimonq2> s/cant/can't/
[21:26]  * tsimonq2 runs
[21:27] <clivejo> you are lucky there is an ocean between us
[21:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: omg I almost forgot
[21:27] <tsimonq2> HAPPY PUP BIRTHDAY! :D
[21:28] <clivejo> hes already broken all his toys
[21:28] <tsimonq2> BAD DOG
[21:28] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:30] <clivejo> grrrr
[21:31] <clivejo> how does this work!!
[21:34]  * clivejo wonders what is running in dizzy-simon
[21:35] <clivejo> tsimonq2: have you a bridge or something configured, or another container?
[21:36] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Magical Wizard Stuff™
[21:36] <clivejo> hummmm
[21:37] <clivejo> Dizzy Magic is forbidden
[21:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so none of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFVaH0E9X3s :P
[21:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: we needs Mailign List release announcements
[21:45] <valorie> oh right
[21:45] <valorie> I'll forward the ubuntu one and add Kubuntu magick
[21:46] <tsimonq2> :D :D :D
[21:48] <clivejo> where?!?
[21:48]  * clivejo grabs Simon and shakes him violently
[21:49] <clivejo> tell me where!
[21:50] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Release Announcement?
[21:50] <clivejo> no, keys
[21:50] <clivejo> where are the keys!
[21:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: If you're talking about Jenkin's keys, I don't know a Jenkin.
[21:57]  * clivejo cries
[21:57] <clivejo> ls
[22:18] <ahoneybun> oh you kept in those "\o/" valorie lol
[22:22] <valorie> I didn't notice them
[22:22] <valorie> we can take them out when we add it the detailed help page
[22:23] <valorie> working on a blog post right now
[22:24]  * tsimonq2 taps his foot at sabdfl
[22:24] <tsimonq2> Zealous Zebu I hope :P
[22:25] <valorie> as long as it isn't zebra
[22:25] <tsimonq2> nah that wouldn't be like Mark
[22:26] <tsimonq2> valorie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljKx9nvrL4
[22:28] <valorie> and that right there is why I don't want it
[22:28] <valorie> lol
[22:30] <tsimonq2> valorie: you see that before today?
[22:30] <valorie> I've not
[22:30] <valorie> or only in nightmares.....
[22:30] <tsimonq2> XDDDDD
[22:31] <tsimonq2> valorie: now you have to beg sabdfl not to pick that :P
[22:31] <acheronuk> clivejo: is the an environment var GNUPGHOME set?
[22:32] <clivejo> where?
[22:33] <acheronuk> the tooling for the main jenkins sets it to ENV['GNUPGHOME'] = '/var/lib/jenkins/tooling/gnupg, so I wondered if there was similar on the slaves?
[22:34] <acheronuk> quite possible not...
[22:39] <clivejo> grrr
[22:39] <clivejo> I hate computers
[22:39] <clivejo> I really do
[22:40] <valorie> I <3 computers, I <3 Kubuntu, I <3 y'all
[22:40] <valorie> even grumpy clive
[22:40] <valorie> thanks mparillo
[22:41] <mparillo> My pleasure.
[22:41] <clivejo> Im trying to get filezillia to connect via sftp
[22:41] <clivejo> but it cant see my keys
[22:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you proved valorie's point :P
[22:42]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:42] <ahoneybun> seems sadbfl likes apt-get
[22:42] <valorie> so old-fashioned
[22:42] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3yusiCOCk
[22:43] <ahoneybun> that url though...
[22:45] <valorie> I almost forgot: happy birthday clivepup!
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ^ :D
[22:45] <clivejo> tsimonq2: what are you doing?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> clivejo: releasing Lubuntu 16.10, you?
[22:46]  * acheronuk throws the pup an indestructible squeaky toy
[22:46] <clivejo> I need help
[22:47] <tsimonq2> !help | clivejo
[22:47] <clivejo> grrr
[22:47] <acheronuk> ubotto needs a 'slap the smartass' trigger
[22:48] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:48]  * clivejo decides he dont need help that bad
[22:51] <acheronuk> sorry clive. just barely keeping from zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[22:51] <acheronuk> so would not be much help anyway
[22:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I CAN HELP YOU :D :D :D :D :D
[22:53] <clivejo> no you cant, you will just annoy me even more
[22:55] <clivejo> does anyone find that copying in Yakkety sometimes doesnt work?
[22:55] <clivejo> especially from PIM?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> copying?
[22:56] <clivejo> yes, like copy a section of an email
[22:56] <tsimonq2> oh
[22:56] <clivejo> I have to click copy several times
[22:56] <tsimonq2> !support | clivejo
[22:56]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:57] <mparillo> copying (ctrl-v) just worked for me in Konversation. I have noticed that I seem to hit <alt><tab> once to bring up the list of windows, then a second time to go the next one.
[22:58] <mparillo> And when a tester or developer asks a question it can be construed as debugging, not a support request.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> mparillo: I was kidding
[22:58] <mparillo> I know
[22:58] <acheronuk> night everyone. thank you for all the efforts and help on yakkety. despite adversity, it has been fun :)
[22:59] <mparillo> TY acheronuk. And it sounds as if Clive could use some unconditional support now.
[22:59] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: <3 o/
[22:59] <acheronuk> clive always has my unconditional support
[23:00]  * tsimonq2 pets clivejo's pup
[23:01] <clivejo> ah
[23:01] <clivejo> Im in!
[23:01] <acheronuk> in what?
[23:01] <clivejo> the slave
[23:02] <valorie> weeeee
[23:02]  * acheronuk is sleepy but too curious to go now
[23:02] <clivejo> I could only access it via river (kci.pangea)
[23:02] <acheronuk> make the slave spill it's secrets
[23:02] <clivejo> but I added my keys and able to connect directly
[23:03] <clivejo> Im copying the /var/lib/jenkins now
[23:03] <clivejo> locally
[23:03] <clivejo> see if I can restore the files to master
[23:04] <clivejo> I can see LP PPA and git keys
[23:04] <clivejo> alioth
[23:04] <clivejo> and slaves
[23:05] <clivejo> but dunno how to make it that jenkins can see them
[23:06] <tsimonq2> sudo clivejo do "Configure LXC containers and rewrite in Python."
[23:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:06] <acheronuk> we can work it out
[23:06] <acheronuk> or bribe someone who can
[23:07] <tsimonq2> I take cash or bitcoin, and beer if you can smuggle it to me :P
[23:11] <acheronuk> not you
[23:11] <acheronuk> :P
[23:12] <acheronuk> well, not with beer or bitcoin anyway
[23:12] <mparillo> Maybe we smuggle tsimonq2 to DE and he would be legal there.
[23:12] <tsimonq2> oh?
[23:12] <acheronuk> DE?
[23:13] <tsimonq2> mparillo: what's the legal age there?
[23:14] <mparillo> I assumed non-existent, like their speed limits in the good old days; just act responsibly, like a good German.
[23:15] <acheronuk> damn, Akademy was just there
[23:17] <clivejo> this could take a while :/


[19:53] <dle> Installing now. Looks at partitions in gparted. Why is the ext4 partition labeled /target ?
[19:53] <dle> looked*
[19:54] <OerHeks> nicomachus, maybe this page is any help http://askubuntu.com/questions/760664/ubuntu-16-04-openvpn >> network-manager-openvpn-gnome is missing ?
[19:55] <cerion> nicomachus: you need to restart network manager too i think and the applet.
[19:55] <nicomachus> cerion: I rebooted the whole machine.
[19:56] <nicomachus> oh....
[19:56] <nicomachus> I installed openvpn, not network-manager-openvpn..... oops.
[20:02] <bigLanky> I have Ubuntu 16.04 LTS installed... If I want to use KDE desktop, do I need to install Kubuntu?
[20:02] <Dave114> having problems getting ubuntu 16 lts to boot on my mac mini.  Had to add nomodeset to grub to get it to boot ... but swapping that in place of "quiet splash" doesn't seem to work
[20:03] <ppf> bigLanky no, you can just install kde
[20:03] <Dave114> I *can* boot into recovery mode successfully ... and if I hit the resume boot option *twice* (i.e. first time it boots for a bit longer but then brings me back to same screen) I get a seemingly functional GUI... but with graphics sucking up most of my CPU
[20:04] <Dave114> with nomodeset on the boot it hangs at "loading initial ramdisk ..."
[20:04] <OerHeks> !info kubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <Dave114> (no additional proprietary drivers show up if I boot into recovery mode)
[20:07] <bigLanky> does KDE support more than 2 monitors?
[20:07] <bigLanky> im reading Unity does not play nice with more than 2, and I have ont been able to get my 3rd working
[20:08] <Ben64> what DE you use doesn't matter
[20:08] <bigLanky> Ben64, is there some trick to get it to work?
[20:09] <Ben64> depends on video card and monitors and stuff
[20:09] <bigLanky> i have 2 of the same vid cards... when using 2 monitors, any combination works just fine.. when I add the 3rd monitor things break down and im lucky to get 1 screen that is functional
[20:09] <bigLanky> 2 monitors are the same and 1 monitor is different
[20:09] <bigLanky> but when running 2, the monitors all work in any combo
[20:10] <bigLanky> have tried with NVIDIA X Server settings and couldn't get it to work
[20:10] <bigLanky> Ben64 : do you have any experience doing this?
[20:11] <Ben64> not two cards
[20:11] <pos> several vulns in current openssl: CVE-2016-7056, CVE-2016-8610, CVE-2017-3731
[20:12] <wafflejock> bigLanky, have only ever used 2 myself but xrandr may help to see what outputs it shows as connected
[20:13] <OerHeks> pos, i don't see them here http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[20:13] <wafflejock> pos, looks like at least the first is not an issue in openssl delivered with versions above 14.04 https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-7056.html
[20:14] <pos> wafflejock, apparently one of them only applies to 1.0.1
[20:15] <ppf> another week another critical openssl bug
[20:15] <ppf> when do they finally get their sh*t together...
[20:16] <ppf> bigLanky: what's the issue with the third monitor?
[20:19] <bigLanky> ppf when I hook it up, nothing displays... NVIDIA X Config sees all 3 monitors, when I try to open System -> Dispay I get CRT error
[20:19] <bigLanky> 1 sec let me reboot so I can put the vid card back in
[20:23] <ppf> what's a crt error
[20:24] <bigLanky> ok, so here is my setup now... I have both cards in... monitor #1 and #2 (same model) are hooked to video card 1, working just fine
[20:25] <bigLanky> monitor #3 hooked to vid card #2, no signal to monitor
[20:25] <bigLanky> Settings -> Displays shows #1 and #2, but not #3
[20:25] <ppf> paste the output of xrandr please
[20:27] <guest-6utpzh> Hi again. So I'm in. Yay!  16.10-amd64.
[20:28] <guest-6utpzh> So, as you can see by my nick, I'm logged-in as guest. I got my pw wrong. How can I reset it from the guest account?
[20:28] <gopper> Does anyone know why the titlebar colors of the classic Human theme don't work under Ubuntu 16.04?
[20:28] <ppf> guest-6utpzh: you can't
[20:29] <guest-6utpzh> Okay, so what *can* I do?
[20:29] <ppf> boot into the rescue mode, chroot into the system and change passwords from there
[20:29] <OerHeks> !password
[20:29] <bigLanky> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895645/
[20:30] <andi> Hi
[20:30] <ppf> bigLanky: now lspci
[20:31] <mandeep_> my files explorer isnt remembering to hide hidden files. is there something i can do to fix this?
[20:31] <andi> I do have a computer that just got a brand new x86_64 processor. :) Is that possible to update a i386 system to amd64?
[20:31] <xangua> andi: other than reinstall, no
[20:31] <ppf> andi: no, not really. it'll be quicker to reinstall
[20:31] <bigLanky> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895650/
[20:32] <ppf> is your third monitor plugged in properly?
[20:33] <bigLanky> yes
[20:33] <ppf> did you try other monitors, other cables on the second card
[20:33] <ioria> bigLanky, i think you already tried with nouveau ?
[20:33] <bigLanky> it shows with NVIDIA settings - https://s24.postimg.org/drgn60z6t/Screenshot_from_2017_01_30_13_33_24.png
[20:34] <bigLanky> yes, have tried another monitor, different cables
[20:34] <bigLanky> these work fine in windows
[20:34] <guest-6utpzh> thanks ppf.
[20:34] <bigLanky> NVIDIA X Server Settings show the monitor is disabled and I can assign it to a new screen
[20:35] <andi> Ok, thanks.
[20:36] <MarkB2> Something .. odd happened.  I started ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS 64-bit.  It started to come up.  Some a message blew across the display, the display started to flicker, and it looked like Unity failed somewhere.
[20:37] <MarkB2> Rebooted... and it's complaining about nouveau "missing".
[20:39] <MarkB2> At the moment, I'm running from the onboard video adapter, an Intel 915 device.  That seems to be working .. except X seems confused.
[20:39] <ioria> bigLanky, what video driver are  you using ?
[20:39] <bigLanky> latest NVIDIA
[20:40] <ioria> MarkB2, you can paste  sudo lshw -c Video
[20:40] <bigLanky> https://s24.postimg.org/3qn09uo91/Screenshot_from_2017_01_30_13_40_11.png
[20:40] <ioria> bigLanky,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[20:40] <MarkB2> ioria: One moment.. let me get a terminal up. I don't have a  desktop.. no launcher, no clock big purple/chartruse (sp?) display.
[20:41] <ioria> bigLanky,  ok
[20:41] <ioria> MarkB2, you can open a console
[20:41] <ioria> bigLanky, have you already tried with the opensource nouveau ?
[20:41] <bigLanky> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895686/
[20:42] <jonathan_> :v
[20:42] <bigLanky> I did, but I had 2 different cards in at the time
[20:42] <bigLanky> should I select the Nouveau and try that?
[20:43] <budRich> hello people. I would be really glad if someone could point me in the right direction here. I tried to install ubuntu (17.04 linuxium (yes i know it's OOS, but please i think the troubleshooting and questions i have are general for all ubuntu releases)). There was a bug in the installer and i now wants to create a new install usb. Problem is i only
[20:43] <budRich>  have access to my computyer from this liveCD(usb). The USB-key is 32gb, but when i open nautilus it say the disk is 2gb, with 1gb free... I want to download a new ISO (1,3gb) and make a new Live"CD".. ???
[20:43] <ioria> bigLanky, you can try
[20:43] <MarkB2> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895698/   (will be back in a minute.. call of nature..)
[20:44] <bigLanky> ok, trying that now
[20:44] <budRich> download fails due to not enough space problematication
[20:44] <Ben64> budRich: check out their support channel if they have one, it's not supported here
[20:44] <mag009_> /wc
[20:44] <ioria> MarkB2, you can run unity with that card ?
[20:46] <budRich> Ben64, they have none, but i have been in contact with linuxium dev by mail. He told me to try the latest release, but i cant download it. And as i said, i *think* the problems im having now (not enough space on liveCD) is general and same troubleshooting should work for me.
[20:46] <Johnson1977> can someone help me with understanding this networking
[20:46] <Johnson1977> http://pastebin.com/D6UUD3py
[20:46] <bigLanky> ioria: I switch to the nouveau drivers and now I am down to just 1 monitor
[20:46] <Johnson1977> I have eth0 set to manual, yet it works as dhcp?
[20:47] <ioria> bigLanky, ok, reinstall nvidia then .... sy
[20:47] <budRich> but i understand (i have called OOS, many many times when i worked at Lenovo technical support), if you don't want to touch this. In that case i have to contact a human with an external computer to make me a new liveCD, i can handle it.
[20:47] <Ben64> budRich: sorry, but since you're not using ubuntu, this channel isn't for you, maybe try ##linux
[20:47] <bigLanky> ok, do I need to purge nvidia* first?
[20:48] <budRich> well, i am using ubuntu?
[20:48] <Ben64> budRich: you're not
[20:48] <budRich> ok, lets say i was, what would you sugest.
[20:48] <Ben64> no, stop playing stupid games
[20:48] <ioria> bigLanky, if you used the gui, just reinstall 375
[20:49] <Ben64> budRich: go to ##linux where all linux is supported, this channel is for Ubuntu ONLY
[20:49] <bigLanky> you mean select it from the additional drivers GUI?
[20:49] <ioria> bigLanky, yes
[20:49] <budRich> Ben64, ok, but i bet my hat, that they will say, goto #ubuntu
[20:50] <MarkB2> ioria: Apologies... I'm back.
[20:50] <ioria> MarkB2, you can run unity with that card ?
[20:51] <Vlada> Всем привет! I am from Moscow. Does anyone want to chat?
[20:51] <ioria> MarkB2,  /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[20:51] <Vlada> Всем привет! I am from Moscow. Does anyone want to chat?
[20:51] <MarkB2> Right now it's running from the Intel 915 on the motherboard.  It ..was.. running off the 6200 this weekend.
[20:51] <marco__> q
[20:52] <MarkB2> ioria: I ran it.  Everything comes up "yes" .
[20:52] <ioria> MarkB2,   can you paste   cat ~/.xession-errors
[20:53] <MarkB2> one moment.
[20:53] <ioria> MarkB2,   can you paste   cat ~/.xsession-errors
[20:53] <MarkB2> ioria: Yah... I think so.  let me copy/paste to ubuntu.
[20:54] <ioria> MarkB2,   you can use pastebinit, if you want
[20:56] <MarkB2> ioria: no pastebinit on the system.  where would it normally be?
[20:56] <ioria> MarkB2,   you need to install it  ... apt get install pastebinit
[20:56] <ioria> MarkB2,   then    cat ~/.xsession-errors | pastebinit
[20:57] <MarkB2> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895750/
[20:58] <ppf> i'm contractually obliged to point out that pastebinit < ~/.xsession-errors is more better
[20:59] <ioria> MarkB2,   pastebinit < dmesg | grep Kernel
[20:59] <ppf> why are there upstart messages in there? you said you were on xenial
[21:00] <MarkB2> ioria: dmesg | grep kernel produces no output.
[21:00] <ioria> MarkB2,   dmesg | grep Kernel |pastebinit
[21:00] <ppf> MarkB2: note the K
[21:00] <MarkB2> Ah.  Will try again..
[21:01] <MarkB2> no output.  The dmesg has a LOT of lines about nouveau complaining.  "fail set domain", "validating bo list" "validate: -22"
[21:02] <ioria> MarkB2,  try again , please       dmesg | grep Kernel |pastebinit
[21:02] <MarkB2> There are 2499 lines of that nouvea complaint.   Retrying.
[21:03] <MarkB2> dmesg | grep Kernel produces no output.  I get another shell prompt.
[21:04] <MarkB2> Let me paste up a chunk of the dmesg output...
[21:05] <MarkB2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895783/
[21:05] <ioria> MarkB2, where are you now ? in recovery ? in console ? in gui ?
[21:07] <MarkB2> When the displays started flashing and things running amuck, I typed CTRL ALT F6 (I think.. many of the alternate consoles weren't responding) and stopped lightdm.  ran  "startx"  and was able to get a shell & then firefox.
[21:07] <Mrokii> Hello. How are drives mounted when they're not in fstab? I have a 2nd harddrive that is available when I start the desktop but it doesn't have an fstab-entry, so I was wondering how this is done. If anybody could point me to a tutorial instead of explaining it all in here, that would be fine, too.
[21:08] <ioria> MarkB2,  ls -l ~/.xauthority
[21:08] <ioria> MarkB2,  ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[21:08] <bigLanky> ioria: I selected the NVIDIA drivers, rebooted, back to first card with 2 monitors working and 2nd card w/3rd monitor not working
[21:08] <bigLanky> it shows up in nvidia settings though
[21:09] <MarkB2> ioria: No file.
[21:09] <ioria> bigLanky, i was thinking nouveau would have worked ...
[21:09] <MarkB2> I have a .ICEauthority .
[21:09] <MarkB2> There is an .Xauthority?
[21:09] <bigLanky> no go on that :(
[21:09] <bigLanky> im going to fiddle with nvida settings a bit, try running as root see if that helps
[21:09] <ioria> MarkB2,  so you don't even get to the login screen ? right ?
[21:10] <MarkB2> ioria: That is correct.  I do have a .Xauthority.  I own it, it's in my group, and it's 147 bytes long.
[21:11] <MarkB2> Hm.  .Xauthority  has a .. ?MAGIC-COOKIE-1 in it.
[21:11] <ioria> MarkB2,  what happened (or what have you done) before the crash ?
[21:12] <ioria> MarkB2,  and don't use startx, exit from there , get to a console and run  sudo service lightdm restart
[21:12] <MarkB2> When the crash occurred, there was some long message that flashed across the display.  something about nouveau.  the display cleared then I get purple screens flashing in my face.  CTRL ALT F7 (I think) gave me a blank screen .. then I get a login: prompt.
[21:13] <MarkB2> Logged in, stopped lightdm, and that stopped the flashing screens (Yes, I went back and looked).
[21:13] <ioria> MarkB2,  uname -r    ?
[21:13] <MarkB2> I've been ..afraid.. to reboot the box.
[21:13] <MarkB2> One moment
[21:13] <ppf> MarkB2: what about the kernel line
[21:13] <MarkB2> Linux p630 4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:14] <k1l> dont use startx on a regular ubuntu desktop setup. look at the owner of the files in your users home.
[21:14] <Tahr-Poop> Mrokii, i guess its using udev to automount
[21:14] <Guest12107> Hi again. Was guest-xxxxx remembered my newpw after all. :)
[21:14] <ioria> MarkB2,  reboot and try to open a console
[21:15] <Mrokii> Tahr-Poop: Okay, I'll look into that. Thanks.
[21:15] <MarkB2> ioria: <gulp>  Okay... .. here goes..
[21:15] <camthesaxman> Is it save to make a link from /usr/include/asm to /usr/include/asm-generic? I'm compiling a program that asks for asm/errno.h, but I just have asm-generic/errno.h.
[21:16] <camthesaxman> s/save/safe
[21:16] <dle> Is it just me. or is the Ubuntu Software app a little rough?
[21:16] <ioria> MarkB2,  uname -r gave you all that output ?
[21:16] <ppf> camthesaxman: install gcc-multilib
[21:17] <ppf> although that may be overkill
[21:17] <anddam> can I remap a couple keys from "English (international AltGr dead keys)" keyboard?
[21:17] <anddam> or derive one from that
[21:17] <ppf> camthesaxman: adding the symlink is perfectly safe
[21:17] <camthesaxman> ppf, I already did. I need c11 and c++14 support, so I added https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test, and I installed gcc-6-multilib and g++-6-multilib and linux-libc-dev.
[21:18] <camthesaxman> I'm also compiling with the -m32 switch because I need to produce 32-bit binaries.
[21:19] <ioria> MarkB2,  are you sure you are on a standard ubuntu ?
[21:22] <ppf> ioria: seems to be gone
[21:22] <ioria> i see
[21:22] <ericsysmin> If I wanted to install SELinux on Ubuntu, how would I perform it without the apt install prompting me in another window. (which breaks my shell script)
[21:23] <ppf> ericsysmin: ubuntu uses apparmor
[21:23] <ericsysmin> yes, but I want to install selinux
[21:23] <ericsysmin> so I remove apparmor
[21:24] <ppf> what's the apt prompt you're worried about?
[21:24] <ericsysmin> it's a screen just warning to restart
[21:24] <ericsysmin> i think i will try with -q
[21:24] <ericsysmin> nope
[21:27] <bigLanky> so I think I found the issue I was having
[21:28] <bigLanky> 1) needed to run nvidia-settings as root
[21:28] <bigLanky> 2) the xorg.conf file on my system was not writable by the program, what I did was move the original to a backup then saved a fresh copy through NVIDIA settings... all 3 monitors are working now :)
[21:28] <bigLanky> Thanks ppf and ioria for helping me debug!
[21:33] <MarkB2> Too...much...flashing...purple.
[21:34] <ppf> MarkB2: cat /etc/*-release please
[21:35] <ppf> and dmesg | grep Kernel | pastebinit
[21:35] <MarkB2> At the moment, everything is running except the Nvidia 6200.  That seems .. gone.  Now I have a single display running off the Intel 915 .  Let me get the release up..
  First I'll see about installing pastebinit .
[21:36] <MarkB2> Okay.. pastebinit is in.
[21:38] <MarkB2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895936/  That's got the Kernel grep in it.  Now for /etc/*release .
[21:39] <MarkB2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23895939/  and there is the release information
[21:42] <Bashing-om> bigLanky: Wow .. Great ! After watching you struggle with this for a week .. What a relieve it is :)
[21:43] <bigLanky> lol no kidding... it has been a long few days
[21:45] <splash_wave> hey
[21:46] <splash_wave> im trying to install 4.10 Warty Warthog and in the installation I get cdrom cant be found
[21:48] <Bashing-om> splash_wave: current release -LTS- is 16.04 . There will and is no support for 4.10 .
[21:48] <nacc> splash_wave: uh, why would you be installing warty?
[21:50] <ppf> MarkB2: and is everything working now?
[21:50] <MarkB2> One moment.. on phone...
[21:51] <protn> hi, I am using 14.04 remmina to connect to   win server 2012 rdp
[21:51] <splash_wave> I like using vintage stuff
[21:51] <protn> I can telnet but remmina yet to work
[21:51] <splash_wave> does Warty have SATA support or just IDE?
[21:51] <protn> I tried rdp and all nla and negotiate
[21:52] <k1l> splash_wave: warty is out of support long time. you will not get support for that anymore.
[21:52] <splash_wave> i dont need support though
[21:52] <splash_wave> i dont need updates and such
[21:53] <nacc> splash_wave: you're in the support channel...
[21:53] <MarkB2> ppf: Sorry.  Boss calls up and wants something.  The Intel 915 video is working nicely (I'm getting 1280 x 1024 out of it).  But the NVidia interface isn't working right... because booting into that produces flashing purple displays.
[21:54] <MarkB2> I should say, "Booting using that produces flashing purple displays".
[21:54] <DiscountMilk> how can i enable root to be auto logged in to the serial console? i followed this tutorial and it only got me a log in prompt :-( https://www.hiroom2.com/2016/06/06/ubuntu-16-04-grub2-and-linux-with-serial-console/
[21:55] <Bashing-om> DiscountMilk: " only got me a log in
[21:55] <nacc> DiscountMilk: why would you want to do that? seems incredibly insecure to grant root-level privilege to anyone with physical access?
[21:55] <Bashing-om>                       prompt " is what a comsole interfasce is :)
[21:56] <DiscountMilk> so with getty i can do a '-a root' and that gets an auto log in
[21:56] <DiscountMilk> do not worry about why, this is what i want to do to my machines
[21:56] <DiscountMilk> ive gotten it with 14.X versions of ubuntu
[21:57] <DiscountMilk> this tutorial had me play with grub instead using /etc/init settings
[21:57] <nacc> DiscountMilk: presumably you'd need to add an appropriate /etc/init/tty*.conf and rebuild the initrd (if i had to guess)
[21:58] <nacc> DiscountMilk: that's what spawns gettys with systemd, iiuc
[22:00] <DiscountMilk> mhmmm
[22:00] <protn> any help with remmina?
[22:00] <DiscountMilk> maybe #Gentoo will know
[22:02] <nicomachus> I'm pretty sure the Gentoo channel is on a separate server that has to be compiled manually user-side
[22:03] <koffeinfriedhof> :D
[22:04] <DiscountMilk> hey at least they know shit. i come here and the first replies are always "actually you dont want to do that." yes. yes i do very much want to do the thing. im not somebodys mom setting up their ubuntu machine, im forced to use it in the env im in
[22:07] <nicomachus> !language | DiscountMilk
[22:09] <ppf> DiscountMilk: maybe this'll help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console
[22:10] <DiscountMilk> ah ubuntu 16 switched to systemd
[22:10] <DiscountMilk> thats why
[22:10] <DiscountMilk> ugh systemd is why i left arch for gentoo lol
[22:11] <EriC^^> you can run but you can't hide from systemd
[22:11] <ppf> i think it's awesome. but that's a matter of taste
[22:11] <DiscountMilk> horrid
[22:11] <DiscountMilk> inittab ftw
[22:11] <DiscountMilk> simple and it works
[22:11] <ppf> (in comparison to gentoo)
[22:11] <DiscountMilk> but looks like thats what i needed to know
[22:11] <DiscountMilk> oh well, thanks
[22:16] <ismdeep> Hi
[22:18] <the_count> hello! I installed KDE Plasma alongside Unity and then removed it, ever since, at any random interval, Unity is KDE themed, I have tried about everything, purging and reinstalling Unity, removing everything KDE related, but the problem persists.
[22:19] <Apachez> when ubuntu 16.10 boots the first part (vmlinuz?) is regular text but once initrd fires up the resolution goes hires... is it possible to make the "vmlinuz" part also go hires during boot?
[22:21] <pavlos> DiscountMilk, take a look at /etc/securetty
[22:26] <the_count> Anyone?
[22:32] <akik> the_count: did you remove all the kde packages?
[22:32] <Bashing-om> the_count: Long fight with unity .. want to try and reset back to defaults ?
[22:32] <akik> the_count: i had to go into the apt history log file and remove the packages listed there
[22:33] <the_count> Bashing-om: :D I'm game I haven't really changed anything from defaults
[22:33] <the_count> akik: I hadn't thought of that
[22:34] <Bashing-om> the_count: well .. akik has the greater ecperience here . Might be nest to follow his advise and make sure all KDE files are removed .
[22:35] <the_count> akik: Where do I find the apt history log file?
[22:35] <akik> the_count: when i installed kde i installed the kubuntu-desktop meta package. then when i tried to remove the whole kde installation it only removed the kubuntu-desktop
[22:35] <akik> the_count: /var/log/apt/
[22:35] <genii> the_count: Also /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:36] <the_count> akik: That's what  I did as well, and then I did a purge of kde*, and it worked for a month maybe and now, it is popping up again
[22:36] <akik> the_count: i think there could be some option to remove all the dependent packages also but i forgot
[22:39] <the_count> THere is quite the list there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23896236/
[22:39] <akik> i think it could be "sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove package" ?
[22:40] <akik> ah it's the --auto-remove
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> Gello?
[22:40] <xubuntu62i> Hello?
[22:41] <akik> sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove package
[22:41] <the_count> akik: It is no longer installed, and so, it isn't finding it
[22:41] <the_count> akik: That's what I did
[22:41] <akik> the_count: oh well but the file contains the installation information which you can use
[22:42] <xubuntu62i> Does anyone know why when I download 64-bit Ubuntu they become corrupt? While 32-bit is okay...?
[22:42] <k1l> xubuntu62i: change the mirror? did you check md5sum?
[22:42] <EriC^^> xubuntu62i: try a torrent
[22:43] <xubuntu62i> They're all wrong. And I tried several mirrors
[22:43] <EriC^^> xubuntu62i: your isp might have a bad cache
[22:43] <xubuntu62i> Maybe. I'll check soon but now I am on a VM installing Ubuntu
[22:44] <xubuntu62i> Does anyone of you using Ubuntu on VM? How do you fix performance?
[22:44] <xubuntu62i> VirtualBox of course
[22:44] <k1l> install guest additions and give the VM more ressources
[22:45] <xubuntu62i> I don't know how to put them
[22:46] <khaled01> Hello Friends
[22:46] <the_count> akik: The log doesn't contain just a list, it has a whole lot of other unnessesary information as well which apt can't process
[22:51] <mp68> hi, ubuntu yakkety, i've accidentally messed up uvcvideo and now it won't load, so my webcam doesn't work. dmesg: http://pastebin.com/raw/f3wGfWef how can I reinstall uvcvideo to fix this?
[22:55] <dspr72> anyone running ubuntu on a macbook pro retina
[22:57] <genii> mp68: The uvcvideo.ko file is part of the package linux-image-generic. But depending on HOW you messed it up, reinstalling that might now help. ( like if you made edits to udev scripts for instance which are supposed to detect the camera)
[22:58] <genii> s/now/not
[22:58] <qwebirc55289> hi
[23:00] <qwebirc55289> anyone here?
[23:02] <qwebirc55289> hi
[23:02] <genii> qwebirc55289: It just happens to be quiet at the moment. If you have an Ubuntu support question, just state it briefly and with some useful information into the channel generally, and someone may help.
[23:02] <qwebirc55289> thanks genii
[23:03] <qwebirc55289> this is my problem: Create a file named substandard in your home directory that contains the file names and lines (the data, not the line numbers) in the grades files where students scored less than ten out of a hundred
[23:04] <qwebirc55289> I have to do it in one command
[23:04] <qwebirc55289> I just don't know where to start
[23:05] <genii> Sounds like homework which they want you to accomplish with shell commands, and not really a support question
[23:05] <qwebirc55289> general question
[23:07] <genii> qwebirc55289: The basic idea would be to use grep recursively with a regex and redirect with append to this file
[23:08] <qwebirc55289> thanks genii...
[23:08] <Josh_> hey i'm having the could not resolve issue
[23:09] <misternumberone> genii: mp68 here, thanks, i had both done stuff to the file itself and used udevadm after putting files in /etc/udev/rules.d/, i've now reversed the latter, if i reinstall linux-image-generic should it replace the kernel module with an unmodified one?
[23:09] <Josh_> i think it is some problem with namespaces or something but I don;t know what to do]
[23:09] <bazhang> what version of ubuntu Josh_
[23:10] <Josh_> 16.04 LTS server
[23:10] <bazhang> Josh_, you got that when trying to update sources or what
[23:10] <Josh_> ya from sudo apt-get update
[23:10] <bazhang> Josh_, why not try another server then
[23:11] <Josh_> what do you mean?
[23:11] <bazhang> Josh_, try another to server to get the update on
[23:11] <Josh_> how do i do that?
[23:12] <genii> misternumberone: Hopefully, yes
[23:12] <k1l> Josh_: can you run "sudo apt update " and show the output on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[23:12] <bazhang> Josh_, I'm not sure on how to do that with a server, just desktop, why not ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:12] <Rockhopper> hi all
[23:13] <wilbert> oin #archlinux
[23:13] <bazhang>  /join
[23:13] <genii> misternumberone: Normally I'd suggest to purge the package before reinstalling, but this is a kernel package so that's a bit dangerous
[23:15] <Rockhopper> Is there someway to install docear as an application on Ubuntu? I mean I have to launch a shell script now. I want it as an app that can be launched from the launcher for example.
[23:15] <misternumberone> genii: currently running on the affected kernel so will need to reboot into different one
[23:16] <genii> mishugashu[m]: The problem is linux-image-generic is for whatever the running kernel is
[23:18] <Rockhopper> Anyone?
[23:18] <fujihc> \quit
[23:20] <k1l> !info docear | Rockhopper
[23:21] <k1l> Rockhopper: its not in the repos. so you need a 3rd party repo or the install from their webpage.
[23:22] <k1l> Rockhopper: you can make an own launcher for that program: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[23:23] <k1l> Rockhopper: according to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/getdeb.net/+bug/1609756  its packaged in the getdeb repo
[23:24] <k1l> http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/16.10/?q=docear
[23:26] <Rockhopper>  thanks k1l I already found out that getdeb has a package, but getdeb itself has to be installed first. I have no clue how reliable this ´getdeb´ is?!
[23:30] <Rockhopper> k1l can you confirm it´s any good, do you use it?
[23:30] <k1l> Rockhopper: i neither use getdeb nor docear
[23:31] <bazhang> Rockhopper, it's third party , so on your own
[23:32] <Rockhopper> Okay for the time being I´ll use it from command line then. Thanks
[23:40] <misternumberone> genii: thanks i reinstalled the kernel it works now
[23:43] <genii> misternumberone: Glad to be of assistance
[23:45] <jacres> hey everyone, wondering if anyone has any thoughts on a decent way of doing the following. I currently have a 250gb SSD with Windows 10 + Ubuntu on it, OSes only. Data/Programs are currently on a HDD. I'm replacing the HDD with a 500gb SSD and looking to move Windows 10 completely to the 500gb SSD, and making the 250gb SSD Ubuntu only. What's the least painful way of doing this (aside from reinstalling
[23:45] <jacres> everything).
[23:46] <jacres> goes without saying, but the HDD has 2 partitions right now (one each for linux/win)
[23:50] <k1l> jacres: i dont know how windows likes to be put to another disk. but after windows is deleted from ssd250gb you can stretch the ubuntu partition to full extend of the disk and copy the data from the hdd onto it. you will need a live ubuntu for that.
[23:50] <genii> jacres: You could boot to livecd/usb and dd the 250 over to the 500. Then use gparted to expand the partitions. If you still wanted to use the 250 in same system with 500, also change it's UUID because otherwise both will have same UUID
[23:52] <jacres> thanks, those are good ideas. I have an unused 250gb partition on the HDD - i'll clone the ssd to that so I have everything backed up on that single HDD
[23:53] <jacres> and then resize/delete the windows one from the 250gb SSD.. does it matter that the windows partition is before the ubuntu one? can I shift it down?
[23:54] <genii> jacres: That is why I'm saying to dd the entire 250 to the 500, then gparted. Because it will calculate the partition offsets correctly to make windows boot OK if you remove Ubuntu
[23:56] <jacres> genii: thanks that makes sense. I'm wondering about on the 250gb SSD, it's [win10][ubuntu] for partitions.. if I get rid of win10 on the 250, it'll be [unallocated][ubuntu]. I've extended partitions forward, but can they be moved "down"?
[23:56] <k1l> yes
[23:56] <genii> yes
[23:56] <jacres> ok great
[23:57] <jacres> thanks for the ideas
[23:57] <jacres> be back in 2 days with "Lost all my data and had no backups. How can I restore everything?"
[23:57] <k1l> :)
[23:57] <bazhang> create backups now
[23:58] <MarcoP> this way is recommended to change interface name but I do not see this file:  sudo cp /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.back
[23:58] <MarcoP> the persistent.net.fules file
[23:58] <genii> If you use dd, add some bs= with reasonable size to make it go faster. If you want to check progress, look into using pv with dd so you can see how much is done
[23:59] <bhikkhusubhuti> Hello, somehow my computer all of a sudden does not allow cheese to use the camera with out running in root (that took a lot of time to figure out).  anyone know how that happened..
[23:59] <bhikkhusubhuti> it says device not found
[23:59] <jacres> for sure, I learned my lesson. Have dailies now + offsite. Had to use an hd recovery tool to get everything back, never again


[00:10] <rick_h_> Testing voice input on the juice SSH client
[00:10] <rick_h_> yay finally figured it out
[01:58] <cmaloney> nice
[02:51] <cmaloney> I think I need this whenever PEP8 generates errors: https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16063731668/
[02:51] <cmaloney> It's like Doom
[02:51] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16063731668/
[02:52] <cmaloney> Once PEP8 complets with no errors or warnings: https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16225313056/in/photostream/
[03:35] <rick_h_> lmao
[04:40] <greg-g> hell yes, those are my build pass/fail images now
[11:24] <brousch__> cmaloney: Those are scary
[11:38] <rick_h_> gah, just saw this run across my feed http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2015/01/students-google-summer-of-code-is.html
[13:05] <brousch__> rick_h_: I should not roll my eyes and groan when I see, "I am new to Python and open source and want to contribute. Show me how to contribute.", but I do.
[14:13] <rick_h_> :)
[14:27] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:28] <cmaloney> brousch__: yeah, I do the same thing
[14:29] <cmaloney> I think that's just human nature.
[14:32] <cmaloney> The first few times you see it you think "Someone new! I think we should help them!"
 Why else would anyone extreme waterski except to come close to dying?
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> i was doing course maintenance underwater and was hit by a waverunner
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> someone that doesn't know what a diver flag means obviously
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> i wasn't technically waterskiing but it was waterskiing related
[15:58] <brousch__> What's a diver flag? Is it like a target I should try to run over in my boat?
[16:00] <cmaloney> Ouch
[16:00] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Glad to hear you're OK.
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: thanks. me too :)
[16:02] <mrgoodcat> i have another scar on my head to add to my collection now too
[16:10] <brousch__> yikes
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> it's ok. really pretty minor compared to other skiing/biking injuries i've had
[16:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, my bro in law is nicknamed "butt-boy" because he landed pretty hard on his rear after a jump with a dirt bike.
[16:15] <cmaloney> managed to tear things. :)
[16:15] <cmaloney> So pretty much any accident you can walk away from with stitches is A+
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> yup. i've not yet been landed in an ambulance so i consider myself pretty lucky
[17:00] <rick_h_> ok, this is damn funny to geeks https://twitter.com/pharmasean/status/554642097077514240
[17:01] <cmaloney> Nice.
[17:04] <brousch__> wow
[20:32] <rick_h_> ugh, where the bleep did today go?
[20:35] <greg-g> I have 30 minutes free between 9am and 4pm
[20:35] <cmaloney> Heh
[20:36] <cmaloney> greg-g: Starting now?
[20:36] <rick_h_> eating my cold lunch now
[20:36] <rick_h_> or early dinner, or something
[20:36] <greg-g> in a 2 hour lunch meeting now