[00:00] <mrunagi> ?
[00:03] <agroker> mrunagi, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:04] <pedro> hi
[00:04] <pedro> why i can't run wine on hardy
[00:04] <pedro> i need
[00:06] <mrunagi> because hardy isnt ready yet?>
[00:08] <pedro> ~
[00:08] <pedro> so i can't do anything
[00:08] <pedro> ??
[00:11] <AtomicSpark> herro
[00:13] <miladen> when i put in my new external harddrive it says: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000... Why cant i do anything with it?
[00:14] <soc> hi
[00:14] <soc> blogtk depends on python 2.4 and python
[00:15] <pedro> python is for wine right
[00:15] <soc> imo, the dependency on 2.4 should be removed, looks like the maintainer forgot it somehow even if it's mentioned in the changelog
[00:15] <pedro> soc
[00:15] <soc> pedro: not really
[00:16] <soc> "  * Rebuild for python2.5 as the default python version."
[00:16] <pedro> but when i try to run windows apllication on sistem cofiguration / advaced
[00:16] <pedro> it don't run
[00:17] <soc> what are you trying to run?
[00:17] <pedro> it sais libpython2.5.so was not found
[00:17] <pedro> wine
[00:18] <pedro> i installed it with synaptic
[00:18] <soc> ok, you installed wine with synaptic?
[00:18] <pedro> yes
[00:18] <pedro> it appears on my initial menu
[00:18] <soc> what did you type to get that error message?
[00:18] <pedro> no on the menu when i go to gonfigure wine he don't open
[00:19] <pedro> he stay thinking
[00:20] <AtomicSpark> is python still broken in hardy?
[00:20] <AtomicSpark> that would be his problem.
[00:20] <pedro> the error mensage it shows up when i go to the menu then click on configuration settings then advaced then windows aplication
[00:21] <soc> do you have python 2.5 installed?
[00:21] <RAOF> pedro: Wine is broken.  I'll just hunt down the bug report.
[00:21] <pedro> ok i will go and see
[00:21] <RAOF> pedro: You'd be after bug 191575
[00:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191575 in wine "wine segfaults on winecfg" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191575
[00:21] <AtomicSpark> oh yes. i remember someone saying it was boken.
[00:21] <AtomicSpark> *broken
[00:21] <Sonicadvance1> I installed from source and it works ;)
[00:21] <AtomicSpark> !works
[00:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about works - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:21] <AtomicSpark> !itworks
[00:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about itworks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:21] <AtomicSpark> ...
[00:22] <AtomicSpark> !worksforme
[00:22] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[00:22] <pedro> how i do that sonica
[00:22] <RAOF> Sonicadvance1: Or you can install the winehq package, and that works.
[00:22] <Sonicadvance1> w/e floats your boat I guess :P
[00:27] <pedro> it seems i have to install an older versation
[00:35] <Arwen> do not run hardy?
[00:37] <Sonicadvance1> That's what most would say
[00:37] <xtknight> weird...presing back at the PASSWORD stage of the ubiquity installer should not change the password should it?
[00:38] <xtknight> becaues my login doesnt work
[00:38] <xtknight> and that's the only thing i can think of..
[00:38] <xtknight> it wasnt caps lock
[00:40] <AtomicSpark> anyone test out the new firewall yet? how does it compare to firestarter?
[00:41] <Sonicadvance1> ack, Pulseaudio clogs my 100MB/s connection
[00:42] <Sonicadvance1> Had to make it stop sending out audio
[00:43] <xtknight> i have a feeling my password got wiped when i pressed back on the wizard.  anyone aware of this bug?  the account name was the same, but i had to go in recovery mode and do "passwd acct" to fix it.. no way to confirm this either way, im just wondering if that's a known bug or something
[00:44] <xtknight> the account seems to function normally after setting a password.  passwd seems to be the only thing wrong with it
[00:50] <pedro> guys how i can run a deb packege
[00:51] <xtknight> double click it
[00:51] <xtknight> if you have everything it needs, you should be able to install it from the GUi
[00:51] <pedro> bu it gives me an error
[00:52] <pedro> it says these packege oesn't exist
[00:52] <pedro> :S
[00:52] <xtknight> odd
[00:53] <xtknight> which package is ti?
[00:53] <xtknight> it*
[00:53] <pedro> is the new one that works wine on hardy
[00:53] <xtknight> oh
[00:53] <xtknight> well you can try installing it from the terminal too
[00:53] <pedro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4390655
[00:53] <xtknight> sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[00:53] <pedro> go and see
[00:53] <pedro> everyone say it works
[00:54] <ionstorm> anyone have a problem with firefox 3 not having an icon
[00:54] <xtknight> well i dont have FF in my quick launch
[00:54] <ionstorm> or having a icon in applications-->internet
[00:55] <ionstorm> for some reason ff isnt listed, I have to run ff from cmd line
[00:55] <xtknight> FF is in my apps shortcuts
[00:55] <ionstorm> odd
[00:57] <xtknight> pedro,  well i cant tes tbecause i have amd64 hardy
[00:58] <xtknight>  if i force architecture, it installs...so i dont see other problems...
[00:59] <nekostar> building new system bbl ^_^ q66 here i come!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:00] <pedro> how i install
[01:01] <pedro> i click on it twice but doesn't work
[01:01] <pedro> xtknicht
[01:01] <pedro> xtknight
[01:01] <xtknight> well there should be an install button on the thing that comes up
[01:01] <xtknight> pedro,
[01:02] <pedro> yes
[01:02] <xtknight> you double click the DEB, it starts a program called gDebi
[01:02] <pedro> yes
[01:02] <xtknight> you click install and what does it say
[01:02] <pedro> but when i click on install it gives me an error
[01:02] <xtknight> what error is that
[01:03] <pedro> these package doesn't exist
[01:04] <xtknight> did you save the .deb file to the desktop or to a directory before opening it
[01:04] <pedro> to the sesktop
[01:04] <pedro> desktop
[01:04] <pedro> why
[01:05] <xtknight> hmm
[01:05] <xtknight> pedro, well did you try installing the .deb from the terminal
[01:05] <xtknight> it doent matter if you saved it to desktop or a directory
[01:05] <xtknight> only matters that it is saved
[01:06] <xtknight> for example, you cant click open from the website.  the deb might be deleted or something.  i dont know, but saving is safer sometimes
[01:07] <pedro> i saved i have it on my desktop
[01:07] <xtknight> pedro, open a terminal
[01:07] <pedro> i runed the console i and make these
[01:07] <pedro> pedro@pedro-desk:~$ sudo dpkg -i wine_0.9.56-1_i386.deb
[01:07] <pedro> dpkg: erro ao processar wine_0.9.56-1_i386.deb (--install):
[01:07] <pedro>  não pode aceder ao arquivo: Ficheiro ou directoria inexistente
[01:07] <pedro> Foram encontrados erros enquanto processava:
[01:07] <pedro>  wine_0.9.56-1_i386.deb
[01:07] <xtknight> ok
[01:08] <xtknight> it says like...directory does not exist?
[01:08] <xtknight> weird
[01:08] <pedro> yea
[01:08] <pedro> :S
[01:08] <pedro> help me
[01:08] <xtknight> type sudo apt-get install wine
[01:08] <pedro> ok
[01:08] <xtknight> and try installing the deb over it
[01:08] <xtknight> i guess
[01:08] <xtknight> it's hardy anyway it'll be a little broken.  lol
[01:09] <xtknight> installing the original wine will make it create the directory, i guess.  then maybe installing the deb will work
[01:09] <pedro> oh mabe that cause i intalled the wine with synaptic but i unistalled to install these one
[01:10] <xtknight> yea maybe
[01:10] <xtknight> i think that package is a patch
[01:10] <xtknight> or something
[01:10] <pedro> pray for me
[01:10] <pedro> :)
[01:10] <xtknight> so you need original wine
[01:10] <xtknight> lol
[01:10] <xtknight> i will
[01:11] <pedro> no
[01:11] <pedro> it still give me the same error
[01:12] <xtknight> after installing wine from repositories, then installing .deb?
[01:12] <pedro> yes i try to intall the .deb but give me the same error
[01:12] <xtknight> weird
[01:12] <pedro> yea very
[01:12] <xtknight> mine installed fine
[01:12] <xtknight> my hardy had no wine
[01:13] <pedro> do i have to chage anything on configurations
[01:13] <xtknight> but i didnt get an error at least after fixing i386->amd64
[01:13] <pedro> ??
[01:13] <xtknight> i dont think so
[01:13] <xtknight> i mean my Hardy was a clean install
[01:13] <xtknight> nothing changed or configured
[01:13] <xtknight> and the wine .deb installed for me
[01:13] <xtknight> i didnt have repository wine
[01:13] <pedro> ok
[01:13] <xtknight> as far as i know
[01:13] <pedro> i'm going to resatart the pc
[01:14] <xtknight> alright
[01:14] <pedro> maybe that work
[01:14] <xtknight> well i'm out of ideas, so maybe
[01:14] <pedro> wait here
[01:14] <xtknight> you can try downloading .deb again
[01:14] <xtknight> yeah i'll be here
[01:14] <pedro> i tryed for 5 times
[01:14] <xtknight> i downloaded from filefront
[01:14] <pedro> so is not the download
[01:14] <pedro> ok
[01:16] <pedro> ola rpedro__
[01:17] <pedro> ok i'm going to restart
[01:24] <pedro> it doen't work
[01:24] <xtknight> damn
[01:24] <xtknight> i dont know, dude
[01:25] <pedro> :'(
[01:25] <xtknight> well the exact english error is "No such file or directory"
[01:25] <pedro> do you know anyother packege i can install that is .deb
[01:26] <pedro> to see if it the file
[01:26] <xtknight> hmm
[01:27] <xtknight> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/gcalctool/download
[01:27] <xtknight> u can try that
[01:31] <pedro> it install that one
[01:32] <pedro> xtknght
[01:33] <pedro> xtknight
[01:33] <xtknight> yeah
[01:33] <xtknight> well
[01:33] <xtknight> i'm not really sure what's wrong with the wine thing
[01:33] <pedro> and what was that
[01:33] <pedro> ??
[01:33] <xtknight> pedro, gcalctool installs, but i'm not sure why wine .deb doesn't
[01:33] <xtknight> the error makes no sense to me
[01:35] <pedro> what is gcaltool
[01:35] <xtknight> a calculator
[01:35] <xtknight> it's already installed by default i think
[01:39] <pedro> xknight do you have tha link to the forum
[01:39] <pedro> ??
[01:39] <pedro> i gave you
[01:39] <pedro> ??
[01:39] <xtknight> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4390655
[01:51] <pedro> xtnight you know how to compile the souce
[01:51] <pedro> ??
[01:51] <pedro> xtknight you know how to compile the souce
[02:09] <ethana2> Where do I go for help with virt-manager?
[02:18] <ionstorm> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ <--launched check it out
[02:18] <ethana2> I'm not seeing any IRC channel for virt-manager support..
[02:18] <ethana2> I've checked it out; I'll have to move my like 15 ideas from ideapool soon
[02:19] <ethana2> anybody here virtualizing windows xp with virt-manager?
[02:19] <RAOF> ethana2: Probably #ubuntu-server is the best place apart from here to ask about virt-manager.
[02:19] <ethana2> ok
[02:19] <ethana2> thank you
[02:20] <RAOF> But feel free to ask here, too.
[02:20] <ethana2> well
[02:20] <RAOF> (You're yet to actually state your problem :))
[02:20] <ethana2> then I shall begin
[02:20] <ethana2> I'm virtualizing windows xp to run Office, MSN, and WMP..
[02:21] <xtknight> what's virt manager
[02:21] <xtknight> like xen?
[02:21] <ethana2> like a gui
[02:21] <RAOF> On top of Xen/Qemu/kvm
[02:21] <ethana2> ...it makes using things like xen not insanely complicated
[02:21] <ethana2> yes
[02:21] <xtknight> ahh
[02:21] <xtknight> but xen doesnt run on top of ubuntu does it
[02:21] <ethana2> it can
[02:21] <xtknight> oh really
[02:21] <ethana2> I think so
[02:22] <RAOF> You'd be looking for the various -xen kernels, yes.
[02:22] <xtknight> ahh
[02:22] <ethana2> anyway..  I installed xp from an .iso
[02:22] <Yahooadam> xen is in the kernel isnt it :s
[02:22] <RAOF> The nvidia drivers make those frequently FTBFS, but they do occasionally build :)
[02:22] <ethana2> that I ripped from the xp install disk because the permissions were wrong to get to the actual drive
[02:22] <RAOF> Right, so bug one :)
[02:22] <ethana2> ...i don't know how to get access to the cd-rom without running in sude
[02:22] <ethana2> sudo*
[02:23] <Yahooadam> ./dev/cdrom
[02:23] <Yahooadam> well, works for me :p
[02:24] <RAOF> ethana2: Was that your problem?  It sounded like there'd be more.
[02:24] <ethana2> ok sorry
[02:24] <ethana2> my mom started flipping out
[02:25] <RAOF> That's cool.
[02:25] <ethana2> because her touchpad under windows clicked
[02:25] <ethana2> ...and she lost half an hour worth of work
[02:25] <ethana2> my dad is a windows user, and I don't know why
[02:25] <ethana2>  /anyway/
[02:25] <ethana2> uh
[02:25] <ethana2> ok...
[02:25] <ethana2> oh yeah
[02:25] <ethana2> I need the vm to be able to use the actual cd-rom drive
[02:25] <ethana2> without running as root
[02:26] <xtknight> maybe theres a cdrom group
[02:26] <RAOF> Let me have a look at my setup...
[02:26] <ethana2> I checked for that
[02:26] <ethana2> didn't see it
[02:26] <ethana2> if I can create one though, that'd be great
[02:26] <xtknight> ya root owns cdrom
[02:26] <xtknight> i guess you could re chown /dev/cdrom to cdrom but i dunno if theres a better way
[02:26] <ethana2> running a vm as root sounds like a bad idea
[02:27] <xtknight> ya it is
[02:27] <ethana2> ok
[02:27] <ethana2> so if the owner of /dev/cdrom is cdrom..
[02:27] <ethana2> then I'll have a group I can join?
[02:28] <xtknight> ya i'm not sure if that's the best way or not
[02:28] <ethana2> probably is
[02:29] <ethana2> gahh
[02:29] <ethana2> nope, fail
[02:29] <xtknight> u have to logout
[02:29] <xtknight> for users to join a group
[02:29] <ethana2> ...oh
[02:29] <ethana2> well I just changed the owner to me
[02:29] <ethana2> same thing?
[02:29] <xtknight> hmm dunno
[02:30] <xtknight> that should take effect immediately
[02:30] <xtknight> i think
[02:30] <xtknight> but even if ur the owner
[02:30] <xtknight> u need permissions
[02:30] <ethana2> I'll make it a group
[02:30] <xtknight> i guess you could 777 it... no idea how insecure that is but if you're desparate...
[02:31] <ethana2> hmm
[02:31] <ethana2> I would prefer to do this 'correctly'
[02:31] <ethana2> I created a cdrom group..
[02:31] <xtknight> yeah
[02:31] <ethana2> but when I went to chown the thing, it wouldn't let me
[02:31] <ethana2> invalid user
[02:31] <xtknight> u have to logout to craete groups maybe?
[02:31] <ethana2> hmm
[02:32] <ethana2> I think my problem was this:
[02:32] <ethana2> cd drive didn't work unless I was root
[02:32] <ethana2> networking didn't work unless I wasn't
[02:32] <RAOF> You need to log back in to have access to the new groups.
[02:32] <ethana2> ok
[02:32] <ethana2> brb then
[02:34] <ethana2> let's see..
[02:36] <ethana2> it is /not/ letting me make a cdrom group
[02:36] <ethana2> even if I do have to log out, it should show me what it's going to be, right?
[02:36] <ethana2> well, anything is more secure than running the vm as root
[02:37] <ethana2> what did you say to do to the cd drive?
[02:37] <ethana2> sudo chmod /dev/scd0 777 ?
[02:37] <ethana2> 777 /dev/scd0 *
[02:38] <AtomicSpark> so i tried the alt cd of 8.04, and i still get that "freezing at loading boot scripts" issue that i had in 7.10. any ideas?
[02:38] <RAOF> ethana2: That's because there already _is_ a cdrom group.  You're not a member?
[02:38] <ethana2> there is no such group on my sistem.
[02:38] <ethana2> system**
[02:39] <RAOF> ethana2: That's odd.  Hm.
[02:39] <ethana2> I changed permissions to 777
[02:39] <ethana2> virt-manager still won't let me use the drive
[02:40] <RAOF> Yeah; I tried, and it doesn't seem to want to let me do it either.
[02:41] <RAOF> I'd ask in #ubuntu-server, and file a bug.
[02:58] <Milos_SD> ethana2 & RAOF, How can I make new virtual mashine with virt-manager? :S I don't have New in File menu, as it says in Help file :S
[02:58] <RAOF> So, first you file a bug against the documentation, which is either wrong or unclear :)
[03:00] <RAOF> Milos_SD: Then, you File->Connect -> local QEMU.
[03:00] <Milos_SD> and then what? :)
[03:00] <RAOF> Milos_SD: Then, there's a "new" button down the bottom of the window, which does what you awnt.
[03:01] <Milos_SD> I get an error that some process is not started
[03:01] <Milos_SD> Unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon.
[03:01] <Milos_SD> Verify that:
[03:01] <Milos_SD>  - The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started
[03:01] <RAOF> Right.  Do you have libvirt-bin installed?
[03:02] <RAOF> (Also, that error would have been a better way to open the conversation).
[03:02] <prasanna> hey quick question, has i been mentioned if hardy will have a different compared to gutsy? i know theres tons of artwork out there, but alpha still looks the same as gutsy. do they plan to keep it that way?
[03:03] <RAOF> prasanna: A different what? :)  There's a new background, for example.
[03:03] <prasanna> lol
[03:03] <Milos_SD> prasanna, yes, it will be the same as Gutsy ... but major artwork changes are set for 8.10
[03:03] <ethana2> theme
[03:03] <ethana2> oh I see
[03:03] <prasanna> oh
[03:03] <ethana2> I think they should pick 4 great themes:
[03:04] <ethana2> nodoka, mint, studio, and human.. and ship hardy with all of them
[03:04] <prasanna> oh well
[03:04] <prasanna> milos, i assume this has been confirmed?
[03:05] <RAOF> Nodoka's pretty cool, yeah.  That's what I use.
[03:05] <Milos_SD> don't know ... just read about it somewhere :)
[03:06] <Milos_SD> RAOF, I have another problem, I can't enable kernel/hardware acceleration, but I have CPU that have VT support (Intel E6550)
[03:08] <RAOF> Milos_SD: Hm.  Try the command found in the output of "aptitude show kvm".  It's possible you need to turn this support on in the bios, or that your particular chip doesn't have the extensions.
[03:09] <ethana2> you do need to turn it on
[03:09] <RAOF> On some bioses, yes.
[03:09] <ethana2> on this Dell Latitude D830 C2D, yes
[03:09] <Milos_SD> I have VT enabled in BIOS, and I have vme extension in /proc/cpuinfo
[03:09] <Milos_SD> :)
[03:10] <RAOF> Milos_SD: Presumably you mean "vmx", right?
[03:10] <Milos_SD> yes, vmx :D
[03:10] <Milos_SD> so, I just need to install kvm packege then?
[03:11] <RAOF> You don't already have that installed?
[03:12] <Milos_SD> no
[03:12] <RAOF> Well, you won't get kvm without it installed :)
[03:13] <Milos_SD> ok, thanks :)
[03:23] <Milos_SD> RAOF, just one last question :D
[03:23] <RAOF> Shoot
[03:23] <Milos_SD> kvm want to install vgabios package: but in details for that package it says this:
[03:23] <Milos_SD> WARNING: It is NOT meant to drive a physical vga card. You will probably
[03:23] <Milos_SD> fry it if you try. You have been warned.
[03:24] <RAOF> You're not trying to use it to drive a physical vga card.
[03:24] <Milos_SD> what does it mean ... I can fry my video card by using qemu with vgabios enabled, or?
[03:24] <RAOF> It means "If you flash the bios on your vga card with this code, it almost certainly won't work"
[03:25] <Milos_SD> ok... thanks... so I understended that well :D
[03:25] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:27] <xtknight> speaking of flashing video card bios..would i need to flash my  video card's BIOS to get it to default to output DVI at bootup?  I attached a dvi-i connector to my dvi-i monitor, and it's using vga (looks kinda ugly as well).  i guess i could use a dvi-d connector (if dvi even works at POST)
[03:27] <xtknight> also uses vga with vesa driver which is interesting...but goesto dvi in nvidia
[03:34] <clinton> Could someone tell me if what versions of nvidia drivers are available in 8.04?
[03:34] <tritium> !info nvidia-glx hardy
[03:34] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-10.28)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.28 (hardy), package size 3761 kB, installed size 11992 kB
[03:35] <clinton> argh, no 169.04?
[03:35] <clinton> !info nvidia-glx-new
[03:35] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-10.28)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.09+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.28 (hardy), package size 5124 kB, installed size 15232 kB
[03:35] <clinton> ah there we go
[03:36] <clinton> !info nvidia-glx-new gutsy
[03:36] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[03:53] <AtomicSpark> When I install 7.10 or 8.04 A5 via the alt cd, I cannot get passed "Running local boot scripts." This seems to be a known problem. Anyone know the proper way to fix this?
[03:54] <AtomicSpark> It's on a new laptop, i'm thinking its an unsupported hardware issue. one of the guys had a unsupported keyboard that caused it.
[03:56] <clinton> !info g15render hardy
[03:56] <ubotu> Package g15render does not exist in hardy
[03:56] <clinton> !info g15 hardy
[03:56] <ubotu> Package g15 does not exist in hardy
[03:56] <clinton> !info libg15 hardy
[03:56] <ubotu> Package libg15 does not exist in hardy
[03:56] <clinton> argh
[03:56] <clinton> alright, where do I file bugs for missing packages for hardy?  I still have over a month to get these in there....
[03:58] <AtomicSpark> ubotu is made for ubuntu 7.10 and lower. your package probably doesnt exist at all. did you search apt-get?
[03:58] <clinton> AtomicSpark: I explicity stated hardy, and I don't currently have Ubuntu installed.  I'm debating whether or not to install it based on the existance of some required packages.
[03:59] <tritium> !botabuse | clinton
[03:59] <ubotu> clinton: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[03:59] <DanaG> aptitude search g15 gives the following: g15composer g15daemon g15daemon-audacious libg15-{1,dev} libg15daemon-client-{1,dev } libg15render{1,-dev}
[03:59] <clinton> DanaG: in hardy?
[03:59] <DanaG> Yup.
[03:59] <AtomicSpark> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=libg15
[03:59] <clinton> DanaG: ty
[04:00] <wastrel> i have hardy
[04:00] <DanaG> Dang, now I want a banana split.
[04:00] <AtomicSpark> DanaG, help me. D:
[04:00] <DanaG> Speaking of netsplit.
[04:00] <clinton> Who's running the Kubuntu Alpha, how is it right now?
[04:00] <DanaG> Booted without splash or quiet?
[04:01]  * AtomicSpark says "come on"
[04:01] <clinton> moderately stable or roll the dice stable?
[04:01] <AtomicSpark> it booted with splash. went to text. stoped at loading boot scripts.
[04:01] <AtomicSpark> live cd install has no splash, and will boot. i dont see why it should be different.
[04:02] <DanaG> Hmm, also removed "quiet", of course?
[04:02] <AtomicSpark> i'm re-installing with live cd now.
[04:02] <AtomicSpark> what does quiet do?
[04:02] <DanaG> Suppresses messages.
[04:03] <AtomicSpark> ah. i donno. some posts say the tty1-7 were wrong. i changed them. that didnt work. lol. i just dont get why the live cd install would be so different then the alt cd. :-\ should have same support/bugs.
[04:04] <AtomicSpark> oh well. no working splash or encrypted lvm for me.
[04:04] <clinton> tritium: just a thought, perhaps the bought can be taught to being /msg'ing "abuse" to the user
[04:04] <clinton> bought=bot
[04:04] <clinton> OK, do not watch tv and type thoughts at the same time =)
[04:04] <tritium> clinton: not a bad thought
[04:05] <clinton> tritium: quite honestly, bots everywhere are not consistent.  some respond to /msg, some ignore it.  I tend to forget to even bother checking and just do it in the channel
[04:06] <tritium> I agree with you.
[04:06] <AtomicSpark> rebooting
[04:07] <skwashd> hi all
[04:07] <skwashd> can i run firefox2 and 3beta at the same time with hardy?
[04:12] <skwashd> i know 2 is available via universe ... but when i try to run it i just get a new window of 3
[04:14] <skwashd> iceweasel isn't available as an alternative either :(
[04:24]  * jscinoz is away: I'm busy
[04:25]  * jscinoz is back (gone 00:00:52)
[04:34] <Idleone> strange error with Alpha5 live cd I am able to boot the cd using all_generic_ide option and my sis191 gigabit ethernet controller is recognized but all I can connect to is google.com. any ideas what can be causing this? I had the same issue with gutsy
[04:35] <xtknight> Bug #94994
[04:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94994 in xresprobe "edidfail for widescreen lcd (viewsonic vg2030wm) causes incorrect resolution and refresh rates" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94994
[04:36] <Idleone> won;t fix?
[04:36] <Idleone> '
[04:37] <AtomicSpark> "Hi, xresprobe is no longer used in Hardy Heron, the development version which will become Ubuntu 8.04. Because of that I'm closing this bug. Please test Hardy (alpha3 or later), and if your hardware still fails to get a correct resolution (or if it drops to failsafe mode), file a bug against the driver package (xserver-xorg-video-$driver). Thanks!"
[04:37] <AtomicSpark> read th ecomments :P
[04:38] <AtomicSpark> won't fix = driver issue
[04:38] <AtomicSpark> tis lame. need better drivers.
[04:38] <wastrel> what's EDID
[04:38] <RAOF> AtomicSpark: Actually, "Wont fix = this bug doesn't exist in Hardy, because the _software_ doesn't exist in hardy"
[04:39] <AtomicSpark> i assume its a way for your hardware to talk to your monitor.
[04:39] <AtomicSpark> oh well that works too :)
[04:39] <RAOF> And it doesn't satisfy the criteria for a Stable Release Upgrade.
[04:39] <RAOF> And the EDID is a little blob describing the monitor to your videocard/X server.
[04:39] <RAOF> Containing things like the panel size, supported resolutions, etc.
[04:39] <AtomicSpark> well as long as the alt cd magically works for me in 8.04, ill be happy.
[04:41] <RyanPrior> WOOHOO!
[04:41] <AtomicSpark> honestly, raof, i don't get it.
[04:41] <RyanPrior> GVFS has networking support!!!
[04:41] <P2502> viewsonic cant program EDID properly, its broken for my VX2025wm too
[04:41] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Yup.  And will soon have obex support, and other joyous stuff.
[04:41] <AtomicSpark> yay they fix?
[04:42] <xtknight> ya viewsonics are messed up
[04:42] <xtknight> edid wise
[04:42] <AtomicSpark> did they fix the "files might get corrupted" thing? thats preventing me from updating. :P
[04:42] <RyanPrior> RAOF: I don't know what EDID is, but I've been using workarounds for weeks and I'm happy to have integration again.
[04:42] <wastrel> i don't get gvfs
[04:42] <wastrel> not that i've tried to read anything about it :]
[04:43] <RyanPrior> wastrel: it's the new gnome-vfs. It's better.
[04:43] <xtknight> extended display information data...tells X server frequency ranges (refresh rates) and resolutions.  and DPI.
[04:43] <P2502> RyanPrior: now since he has explained, you know
[04:43] <wastrel> it's some nautilus thing that i won't use much :]
[04:43] <RyanPrior> wastrel: you'll use it every time you open Nautilus. Nautilus is built on top of it.
[04:44] <Idleone> Bug 186666
[04:44] <wastrel> yeah i don't use nautilus much
[04:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186666 in linux "Hardy cannot recognize sis191 network adaptor" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186666
[04:44] <xtknight> what's gvfs?
[04:44] <P2502> !gvfs
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gvfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <RyanPrior> Anyway, I hereby express my excitement. YAY!   B.  Re-open last window.
[04:52] <DanaG> I mean, you can set it so you can keep hitting 'close' and it'll keep popping back up.
[04:52] <DanaG> Either that, or you file->close and it fully quits, instead.
[04:52] <DanaG> Duude, where's my "quit only if I close an already-empty window" option?
[04:55] <DanaG> Argh, media keys don't work.
[04:55] <RAOF> They do with Rhythmbox, right?
[04:55] <DanaG> I don't use Rhythmbox, but I believe they do.
[04:55] <DanaG> They don't with Exaile or with Decibel media player.
[04:56] <P2502> mu volume keys work system-wide but not in games
[04:56] <AtomicSpark> >:O
[04:56] <P2502> :(
[04:57] <DanaG> :-!
[04:57] <AtomicSpark> the "loading boot scripts" bug happens to me with the 8.04 live cd too.
[04:58] <DanaG> I haven't used any of the LiveCDs.  I just dist-upgrade.
[04:58] <RAOF> DanaG: That'd be because the API changed.  Again.
[04:58] <DanaG> Lovely.  Anything I can do to fix it?
[04:59] <AtomicSpark> dist-upgrade works for me but some of the old software remain. lame.
[04:59] <RAOF> File bugs upstream, or write a patch?  It should be fairly easy to do.
[04:59] <DanaG> I mean, I moved to Hardy quite a while ago, so I have no reason to use named alphas.
[05:00] <AtomicSpark> well as long as its fixed before the release :( i am worried now lol.
[05:02] <AtomicSpark> do you think it could be hardware support? i mean this laptop was just released in aug.
[05:08] <AtomicSpark> :-/
[05:13] <Viaken> My laptop's running at 74C (under load) and the fan doesn't appear to be running as fast as it should be. I modprobed fan and thermal, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone and /proc/acpi/fan are both empty.
[05:13] <Viaken> Any suggestions?
[05:13] <P2502> 74 - T of what component it is and how it was measured?
[05:14] <Viaken> CPU measured with lm_sensors.
[05:15] <P2502> actually often computers may report incorrect data
[05:16] <P2502> do you have issues with your laptop?
[05:16] <Viaken> It's hot to the touch and the fan's barely moving, and I think this is new to 2.6.24.
[05:16] <Viaken> No issues yet, no.
[05:17] <P2502> what was speed of fans before 2.6.24 and what is speed now?
[05:18] <Viaken> I don't know. I can't measure them.
[05:19] <P2502> but you may say that based on loudness?
[05:19] <P2502> i mean difference
[05:19] <Viaken> Loudness/feeling of air moving out of the laptop vent.
[05:22] <AtomicSpark> okay. how about this. it doesnt get past starting boot scripts because xserver cannot find a display. maybe the driver for the alt cd and new live cd doesnt support my video card? i have a x1350.
[05:22] <AtomicSpark> i think i read somewhere that thats not supported by the open driver.
[05:25] <Viaken> Hm... /etc/fancontrol are missing.
[05:25] <P2502> Viaken: you may try gutsy if not tried to be sure about fan speeds, search on launchpad for bugs ... and when i'm worried about cpu temp (but i'm sure it is reported incorrectly in my P965 based mobo) i underclocked my cpu, but it is not related to kernel
[05:26] <P2502> what is idle temp?
[05:26] <AtomicSpark> shouldnt fan speed be controlled by mobo not the os?
[05:27] <P2502> i think os may override it
[05:27] <Viaken> idle temp is fine. 40C-ish.
[05:27] <AtomicSpark> or is that another user-mode thing i don't understand?
[05:27]  * AtomicSpark caughs DanaG
[05:29] <DanaG> what?
[05:30] <DanaG> Laptop or desktop?
[05:30] <AtomicSpark> who me or him?
[05:30] <DanaG> About the fan.
[05:30] <AtomicSpark> well i'm on laptop. he's on ...?
[05:33] <Viaken> I'm on a laptop. Gateway mx3410.
[05:33] <AtomicSpark> hp compaq 6820s here
[05:34] <DanaG> Hmm, the last time I've used ATI was with my old desktop, and a Radeon 9800 Pro.
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers/ATI?highlight=%28ati%29%7C%28driver%29
[05:36] <Viaken> It's nvidia.
[05:36] <Viaken> oh, nevermind.
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers/ATI oops didnt need highlight
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> but anyways it says " Radeon R500 - Radeon X1000+ cards have no support at all (not even 2d) in the free ati driver, so you must either use vesa (a generic driver) or fglrx."
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> would that cause the live cd of hardy to fail and maybe alt cd of 7.10?
[05:37] <clinton> Kubuntu alpha is nice =)
[05:37]  * DanaG hopes things will be better by summer, or else I'll have to pay something like 500 bucks extra for the 8510w (with an 8600-based Quadro) instead of the 8510p (with the Mobility HD2600).
[05:37] <AtomicSpark> of course mine is also the xpress so i dont get the difference.
[05:37] <DanaG> s/I/he/
[05:38] <AtomicSpark> s/he huh? we can't know? :P
[05:39] <P2502> Viaken: more things to look into are dmesg and system logs, to see what is acpi behavior and messages related to cpu throttling etc
[05:40] <Viaken> Well, I'm running Diablo II which has got one core pegged...
[05:40] <P2502> !bug 22336
[05:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22336 in linux-source-2.6.20 "CPU overheats during high usage "throttling <not supported>"" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22336
[05:41] <Viaken> Actually, throttling is working.
[05:42]  * Viaken forces halfspeed.
[05:43] <clinton> xorg.conf is quite different, is there another way to instruct X to load nvidia drivers now?
[05:44] <P2502> why another way? xorg.conf still can be used
[05:45] <P2502> for overrieds
[05:45] <clinton> P2502: I'm just asking.  xorg.conf has almost nothing in it now
[05:45] <P2502> overrides
[05:46] <clinton> lets see if that works...
[05:46] <clinton> brb
[05:48] <cvw> all good
[05:48] <AtomicSpark> gah launchpad is so slow
[05:48] <cvw> AtomicSpark: still faster than sourceforge
[05:49] <xtknight> what should i install if something is looking for GL/* headers
[05:49] <xtknight> i installed nvidia binary drivers from nvidia.com
[05:49] <AtomicSpark> !bug 109299
[05:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109299 in ubuntu "Startup stops at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109299
[05:50] <AtomicSpark> needs fixin, go!
[05:51] <P2502> startup may freeze for me on various stages, like very 1st "Loading" or initramfs or so, rc.local also....
[05:51] <AtomicSpark> it happens for me with the 7.10 alt cd after install and 8.04 live cd.
[05:51] <AtomicSpark> i think it might be video drivers, i tried running startx and it said monitor not found. D:
[05:51] <P2502> it not happen to me all the time
[05:52] <P2502> i mean its rare for me
[05:52] <P2502> monitor not found... funny
[05:53] <P2502> but this message you see on your monitor?
[05:53] <AtomicSpark> yeah it booted, i hit enter, went to a console?! then i typed startx, said monitor not found. ha.
[05:53] <DanaG> No Screens Found?
[05:53] <AtomicSpark> yes that one.
[05:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you know, you can install fglrx in the livecd.
[05:54] <AtomicSpark> yeah. maybe.
[05:55] <AtomicSpark> do they usually add new hardware support in new releases?
[05:55] <P2502> AtomicSpark: it may take years fo linux to support particular hardware
[05:55] <AtomicSpark> D:
[05:56] <AtomicSpark> dells open source ati thing hopefully will speed this up.
[05:58] <P2502> why not use vesa if its video driver problem
[05:59] <AtomicSpark> if i dont have the gui, i can install the restricted driver by typing "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"?
[06:00] <DanaG> I pray by summer ATI ≳ NVIDIA, in terms of Linux support.
[06:00] <AtomicSpark> as we all do.
[06:00] <DanaG> I'm sick and tired of nvidia.
[06:00] <AtomicSpark> brb going to fail at installing a driver to a live cd.
[06:00] <DanaG> remember to aptitude update
[06:00] <DanaG> then install.
[06:01] <AtomicSpark> yes.
[06:02] <P2502> actually fact of ATI opened their drivers may be clarified as bad thing, like one of last resorts AMD doing to survive, and AMD doing is pretty bad
[06:07] <DanaG> The notebook I'm pondering for my next purchase currently has an HD2600 card.  It's +500 bucks or so for the workstation version with FireGL, plus some other amount extra for Quadro.
[06:09] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: gosh aptitude is confusing :P
[06:09] <AtomicSpark> i just used apt-get lol
[06:13] <AtomicSpark> what will i run to start gde since i cant reboot?
[06:14] <AtomicSpark>  /etc/init.d start gde? something?
[06:14] <bazhang> gmd start
[06:14] <bazhang> gdm arg
[06:15] <AtomicSpark> k. lawl. it tried to install sudo. wtf.
[06:17]  * AtomicSpark sighs
[06:17] <AtomicSpark> it died
[06:44] <lunks> Wine is segfaulting here
[06:45] <lunks> Using ubuntu repo.
[06:50] <RAOF> lunks: Yes, known.
[06:50] <lunks> k then =)
[06:52] <CarlFK> what is the signature  file name ? Feb 29 05:56:53 debootstrap: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:52] <CarlFK> I am running apt-cache, guessing something got out of sync and I just need to delete the file
[06:58] <savvas> CarlFK: maybe it's in the cd?
[07:16] <savvas> CarlFK: http://pastebin.ca/raw/923080
[07:17] <savvas> i've just exported it from my apt-key list
[07:17] <savvas> so.. logically: wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/923080 | sudo apt-key add -
[07:18] <DanaG> don't forget -o -
[07:20] <savvas> ah oops
[07:20] <dencrypt> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/28/2029218&from=rss
[07:20] <dencrypt> :D
[07:20] <savvas> CarlFK: wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/923080 -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[07:21] <savvas> it doesn't need -q does it?
[07:57] <mojoe> hi the last update broke my X - i think. gdm is loaded, i can see the mouse pointer, but the screen is black. the strange thing is, that i can't open any terminals <str><alt><F1..>. any ideas and tipps would be nice. i have an ati card
[07:59] <mojoe> when i boot in recovery mode an try to fix X then, i get the normal gdm screen, but i can't type anything on my keyboard, nor opan a terminal
[07:59] <mojoe> so, could it be something with fonts?
[08:11] <Assid> err how do i get kopete to link with thunderbird for its links
[08:20] <vega--> is there any way to make firefox look good in kde4/hardy ?
[08:27] <RAOF> vega--: Isn't there a gtk2-engine-qt?  That should make firefox pickup the QT theme.
[08:30] <vega--> i seem to have that installed
[08:30] <P2502> A vulnerability was found in VMware's shared folders mechanism that grants users of a Guest system read and write access to any portion of the Host's file system including the	system folder and other security-sensitive files. Exploitation of these vulnerability allows attackers to break out of an isolated Guest system to compromise the underlying Host system that controls it.
[08:30] <P2502> HAHA
[08:30] <vega--> but clearly firefox doesn't use it
[08:30] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, could you please not recommend gtk2-engine-qt without a warning cause it's an unstable pos?.
[08:31] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: Ok.  I merely know that it exists, I've not used it :)
[08:31] <vega--> DarkMageZ: any alternative at the moment?
[08:31] <DarkMageZ> vega--, you need to set your gtk2 theme to the qt theme. i can't recall where in the kde settings that is, but it's there. no alternative that i know of.
[08:45] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/192579
[08:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192579 in gnome-system-tools "shares-admin sometimes doesnt synch with smb.conf" [Low,Incomplete]
[08:45] <Assid> someone wanna confirm thatbug
[08:55] <Assid> err
[08:55] <Assid> why doesnt kopete use the default browser
[08:58] <goniochromism> is anyone running kde4 with hardy?
[08:59] <goniochromism> i'm downloading right now - how buggy is it?
[08:59] <bazhang> kde4 or hardy?
[09:00] <goniochromism> both ;)
[09:00] <goniochromism> kubuntu /w kde4 iso
[09:01] <goniochromism> haven't tried hardy yet
[09:01] <goniochromism> are most of the "official features" implemented yet?
[09:04] <goniochromism> i.e. (from wikipedia) "Better Tango compliance; compiz usability improvements; tracker integration;; Brasero disk burner, Transmission BitTorrent client and Vinagre VNC client by default; PulseAudio by default"
[09:06] <goniochromism> how stable is it? Do kde4, compiz and hardy play together well?
[09:06] <goniochromism> anyone with some experience to share?
[09:08] <bazhang> wait a few hours--tis early still ;]
[09:09] <goniochromism> heh all right :)
[09:10] <ethana2> or late
[09:10] <ethana2> depending on where you are ;)
[09:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> onboard got fixed~
[09:16] <goniochromism> you mean support with onboard graphics chipsets?
[09:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no... a pkg
[09:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> has something to do with keyboard config
[09:17] <goniochromism> oh ok.. - I had probs with some onboard graphics confguration under gutsy
[09:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> intel?
[09:17] <goniochromism> so I'm hoping the new X server will help with that
[09:18] <goniochromism> yes
[09:18] <goniochromism> and via i think.. not sure
[09:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i heard there was some issue with the driver
[09:22] <muszek> is anyone using wireless at the moment?
[09:25] <TheInfinity> muszek: i dont have gui atm ;)
[09:26] <muszek> :)
[09:26] <sarah__> hi, im in network manager, and i hit unlock then change some stuff, then when it should reload it says "The configuration could not be saved You are not allowed to modify the system configuration ()" even though i have sudo privliges, could it be my write access to the config file was removed somehow? how do i find out where it is and fix that?
[09:26] <muszek> but are you using a wi-fi?
[09:26] <sarah__> muszek: i am =p
[09:26] <sarah__> linksys pci adapter with ndiswrapper
[09:26] <muszek> sarah__: could you please do sudo tail -f -s 0.1 /var/log/kern.log for me?
[09:26] <sarah__> (only works on 32 bit tho :(
[09:28] <muszek> my syslog, debug and kern.log are trashed with wi-fi related stuff
[09:28] <sarah__> sure :) ill pastebin it when i get internet working on that comp in a min or 2
[09:28] <muszek> I went to bed ~9 hours ago... those logs got ~1.2GB bigger since then
[09:28] <sarah__> wow
[09:29] <sarah__> can you help me with my error so i can help you (plz :?)
[09:29] <muszek> that's been going for some time now... I just found out last night after I ran out of space on root partition for the second time in two days
[09:29] <muszek> sure, if I only can
[09:29] <sarah__> thx!
[09:29] <sarah__> btw if you want how i got it working i can tell you...
[09:30] <muszek> you got what working?
[09:30] <sarah__> wireless
[09:30] <muszek> mine works without problems (using restricted drivers, though)
[09:30] <sarah__> ah ok
[09:31] <muszek> wi-fi is the reason I dist-upgraded... ipw3945 (wi-fi driver) kept crashing my lappy on Gutsy
[09:31] <sarah__> hmmm my last kern.log message is ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[09:32] <muszek> does it relate to your problem, or mine? :)
[09:33] <sarah__> it might relate to mine, not sure!
[09:33] <sarah__> so the problem is your logs are trashed?
[09:34] <muszek> yeah (it's not very important, though... )
[09:34] <muszek> http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=site%3Aubuntuforums.org+%22ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP)%3A+wlan0%3A+link+is+not+ready%22&btnG=Search
[09:34] <sarah__> ah thx
[09:34] <muszek> have you tried going through those? that exact phrase on ubuntuforums
[09:35] <sarah__> it shows up in network-admin, so not SAME problem...
[09:35] <sarah__> just when i try to change something in it i get the The configuration could not be saved error
[09:38] <sarah__> but i CAN change host name
[10:22] <Mohero|Work> does anyone want to do my work for me so I can go back to bed?
[10:24] <muszek> :)
[10:26] <goniochromism> what's the pay :)
[10:29] <Mohero|Work> well LXF is a little boring this month, and although it has a page or 2 on Ubuntu - they're still covering Gutsy, and not covering the "New upcoming Hardy" ...
[10:31] <lemonade> i have never liked linux format :(
[10:33] <rsk> format?
[10:36] <Mohero|Work> Linux format is OK occationally, but they seem to go on and on about some of the boring stuff that's easy to find out, and say nothing about the interesting stuff.
[10:36] <lemonade> yeah
[10:36] <lemonade> and it's quite expensive here in finland
[10:37] <lemonade> i find more worth reading in linux journal
[10:37] <lemonade> but it's only my opinion
[10:41] <Mohero|Work> :)
[10:41] <slackern> lemonade: how much are magazines like that in finland?
[10:43] <lemonade> slackern: all linux magazines are imported
[10:43] <lemonade> there are none that i know in finnish
[10:44] <slackern> lemonade: ahh i was thinking about how expensive
[10:45] <lemonade> slackern: aaa.. hmm... well.. importing costs
[10:45] <lemonade> but prices are quite high here anyways
[10:45] <slackern> lemonade: just qurious since they are often quite expensive here in sweden too :)
[10:45] <lemonade> yeah
[10:46] <lemonade> i guess we might have even more expensive here then in sweden
[10:46] <lemonade> but dunno
[10:46] <slackern> maybe 7-8 euro?
[10:48] <lemonade> with dvd it costs 16.30 euros
[10:48] <lemonade> i've never seen anything else sold
[10:48] <slackern> ouch, well thats expensive
[10:49] <lemonade> yeah, and that dvd doesn't include anything interesting anyways
[10:50] <slackern> =/, i think maybe the most expensive i've seen here has been like 129 skr and i guess thats like 10-12 euro or something like that
[10:50] <slackern> but been a while since i bought any magazines like that, probably years ago :P
[10:51] <mazzen> would anyone be so kine and give me a hint, how i can downgrade my xserver-xorg-video-ati driver?
[10:55] <lemonade> mazzen: one way is to download older deb and use dpkg
[10:56] <lemonade> but it could cause trouble
[10:56] <slackern> mazzen: have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ also an older version might still be there
[10:59] <mazzen> slackern: unfortunately not :-(
[10:59] <slackern> and i cleaned out the cache yesterday also so no older ati driver there either =/
[11:00] <lemonade> packages.ubuntu.com is usually good place to find older packages
[11:01] <lemonade> and some mirrors too
[11:01] <mazzen> what a pity
[11:01] <mazzen> lemonade, slackern: i tried http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-ati  but this is the one which makes me troubles...
[11:01] <mazzen> hm...
[11:02] <mazzen> shouldn't it be possible to download the latest hardy images and extract the deb file?
[11:02] <slackern> Im still more o r less forced to using vesa still with my ATi card :P
[11:02] <lemonade> mazzen: yeah, it's possible
[11:03] <mazzen> huh, i hope that works :)
[11:03] <mazzen> currently i have to run my notebook with vesa driver and 800*600 which is not fine ;-)
[11:04] <slackern> mazzen: hehe, i know what you mean...I have a X1950Pro AGP card in this machine and the drivers have been causing me lots of troubles in both Win and *nix, they finally got out the 8.2 drivers for Win that was the first updated driver that i could use for like 6 months
[11:05] <slackern> and in linux fglrx just crashes on me badly or gives worse performance that vesa, my biggest hope is the radeonhd project which im using back and forth
[11:06] <slackern> That works but there is still alot of performance to be included into them so just sticking to vesa right now atleast causes me the least of troubles
[11:06] <mazzen> ja. ~two years ago, when i bought my notebook, there were *only* notebooks with ati chips in it... (depends on my cash ;-))
[11:11] <Amaranth> slackern: your card will be supported by the 'ati' driver long before the radeonhd guys ever add support
[11:11] <Amaranth> slackern: your card is an r500, the ati driver has 3d support for the r300 and the r400 and the r500 isn't that much different
[11:12] <Amaranth> and now they have documentation on how it works so... :)
[11:12] <Amaranth> the radeonhd driver just needs to die
[11:12] <Amaranth> the only use it has is r600 non-accelerated 2D, just stick it in the ati driver and be done with it
[11:23] <slackern> Amaranth: I'll have to give it a spin, haven't had so much time lately to invest in tinkering :)
[11:24] <Amaranth> it does not currently work
[11:24] <Amaranth> try again in 4 months :P
[11:24] <slackern> Yeah i read about it on phoronix :)
[11:24] <slackern> I'll use whatever works more or less, radeonhd/radeon/ati whatever works :)
[11:25] <slackern> i'll even use fglrx if i can atleast pop up a browser without the computer slowing to a crawl
[11:25] <slackern> bbl
[11:30] <Hobbsee> anyone else got a dell 6400 here?
[11:34] <P2502> does ping send dns request for every ping sequence?
[12:39] <cwillu> P2502, I think so
[12:48] <P2502> yeah i checked this with tcpdump already, i wonder why
[12:48] <mazzen> lemonade, slackern: i downloaded the image and extracted it, but there is nothing xorg* stuff in it. (find . | grep xorg) any idea, why? in fact there are only 32 deb file there. which sounds to me very strange.
[12:56]  * mazzen restart X
[13:00] <mazzen> yes, this gave me my resolution back https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive :-) (Just for the case someone else will have troubles) but everything is pretty slow!
[13:17] <andrew_> OMG great job on this release
[13:17] <andrew_> its been LESS buggy than any os ive ever used... in beta
[13:18] <coz_> andrew_, its beta already?
[13:18] <Pici> no
[13:19] <coz_> beta sometime in march , no?
[13:20] <P2502> enabling compiz cause firefox to dissapear (where it go? crashed probably :/)
[13:21] <Hobbsee> P2502: can't reproduce that
[13:21] <Hobbsee> P2502: but clearly, firefox is terrified of compiz.  You should put it under a blanket
[13:21] <coz_> :)
[13:22] <coz_> P2502, is this consistent?
[13:22] <P2502> i think it random and happened some times, but not sure if every time
[13:22] <P2502> i have not tested that
[13:23] <P2502> compiz cause many issues
[13:23] <coz_> P2502, how are you starting compiz fusion?
[13:23] <P2502> like it cant be disabled properly almost always
[13:24] <coz_> P2502, gnome or kde?
[13:24] <P2502> appearance preferences
[13:24] <P2502> gnome
[13:24] <coz_> P2502, in terminal  metacity --replace &
[13:24] <coz_> to kill compiz fusion
[13:25] <coz_> P2502, then  compiz --replace ccp & to restart and if there are problems there should be a readout in the terminal
[13:26] <P2502> well i got some warnings, paste them?
[13:26] <coz_> P2502, not here  no go to http://pastebin.ca
[13:27] <P2502> but i dont think its important...
[13:27] <P2502> http://pastebin.ca/923315
[13:27] <Nubae> is there a reason why this rep doesnt exist: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy-commercial main ?
[13:27] <coz_> P2502, the problem is hardy is still alpha   y ou have to expect things to not work properly :)
[13:27] <Nubae> I want vmware, but cant seem to get it
[13:29] <P2502> coz_: i know, hope bugs will be fixed before release, not after
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> Nubae: Just use vmware-package
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> !info vmware-pacage
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> !info vmware-package
[13:30] <coz_> P2502, i wouldnt even begin to worry
[13:30] <ubotu> Package vmware-pacage does not exist in hardy
[13:30] <ubotu> Package vmware-package does not exist in hardy
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> http://packages.debian.org/uk/sid/misc/vmware-package
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> just compile the source (its worth it makes handling vmware alot less hassle)
[13:31] <P2502> coz_: actually i expect compiz continue to not work with games and have corrupted titlebar, just like it was in gutsy
[13:31] <P2502> so i prepared
[13:31] <Nubae> ok
[13:31] <coz_> P2502, well i woulndt judge the performanc of compiz fusion with it on gutsy though
[13:32] <Nubae> and that has everything Ineed from vmware?
[13:32] <Nubae> including mouse widgets and stuff
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> It has a package which makes deb's
[13:32] <coz_> P2502, right now I am on feisty and games and compiz fusion are fine  but in reality there is no reason to have both compiz f usion running and a game to eat up resources
[13:32] <h3sp4wn> from what you download from vmware
[13:32] <Nubae> right, but doesnt ubuntu already have it pre-packaged?
[13:32] <Nubae> y would I wanna do that?
[13:32] <coz_> P2502, unless you have a really high end video card  etc
[13:33] <Nubae> btw... just so people know... virtualbox cannot import vmware images directly
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> Nubae: server and workstation ?
[13:33] <P2502> coz_: ok so it is probably will good if it disable itself while running games?
[13:33] <Nubae> it tries and breaks
[13:33] <coz_> P2502, I do for most games yes  it just doesnt make senxe to have both running
[13:33] <h3sp4wn> You can easily update using vmware any-any etc if you want to there is tons of reason
[13:33] <Nubae> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-from-canonical-commercial-repository-in-ubuntu-feisty.html
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> Is workstation in that repository
[13:34] <Nubae> yeah
[13:34] <coz_> P2502, give your games total access to resources, as much as that is possible
[13:34] <Nubae> but its for feisty
[13:34] <Nubae> and kernel modules are missing
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> Why I used vmware-package last time was updating to a new point release etc becomes really easy
[13:35] <P2502> coz_: not me... compiz should disable and reenable itself... i may start games many times a day and dont want to everytime disable and enable compiz
[13:35] <Nubae> well, its still nicer to have in your package db
[13:35] <P2502> coz_: also i want ability to switch to desktop with games running
[13:35] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ? Its in dpkg's db in  both cases
[13:35] <Nubae> hmmm, wait, vmware-server is in there, workstation isnt
[13:35] <coz_> P2502, mm  switching desktops when games are running..  never tried that
[13:36] <coz_> P2502, anyway work the way you see fit
[13:37] <Nubae> ok, so download vmware source, repackage into deb using link u sent.... that's the best way?
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> That is how I would do it - what arch are you on ?
[13:39] <Nubae> hardy
[13:43] <coz_> what is the state of affairs with sun java on hardy?
[13:44] <Nubae> supposedly fixed
[13:44] <chombee> Can anyone tell me/point me to info on what's become of the Screens & Graphics config tool in hardy? I just read a preview that said it was "very, very dead" and am interested
[13:44] <coz_> Nubae, mm  thats good news
[13:48] <Mythor> After a update of Hardy, ubuntu no longer loads kernel drivers by its self, they are there, and manual loading does work, how can i fix this?
[13:48] <mazzen> coz_, Nubae: a simple swing window leads to http://pastebin.com/d5f437975
[13:49] <coz_> mazzen, so its not fixed  then
[13:50] <Nubae> rightwhat exacty is broken?
[13:50] <Nubae> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java64
[13:50] <mazzen> coz_: no, unfortunately not. i googled for it and found something that it is a java bug, which should have been fixed in the last java version.
[13:51] <Nubae> that uses Java IcedTea
[13:51] <Nubae> so might be different
[13:51] <Nubae> I'm on 64 bit and it seems to work
[13:51] <mazzen> hm... i didn't install java7
[13:52] <coz_> mazzen, maybe java 7 has better support for xcb  which i assume is the problem
[13:53] <Nubae> for 64 bit, that at least is the solution, but u can take a look here at another howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java6
[13:53] <Nubae> oops, without the 6 on the end
[13:54] <mazzen> could be, i try it with icedtea
[13:58] <Mythor> After an update of Hardy, ubuntu no longer loads kernel drivers by its self, they are there, and manual loading does work, how can i fix this?
[14:00] <mazzen> yes, it works with java7
[14:19] <Nubae> ok, so I do make-vmpkg?
[14:23] <Nubae> i dont get how to use vmware-package
[14:42] <pedro> anyone have steam installed on kubuntu
[14:42] <pedro> ??
[14:42] <pedro> with wine
[14:57] <yeltsinator> hey, anyone heard of a bug where hardy randomly deletes a couple hundred gigs of stuff  every once in a while?
[15:06] <nick__> hello all how do you turn on gdm?
[15:07] <Nubae> /usr/sbin/gdm
[15:21] <Mythor> After an update of Hardy, ubuntu no longer loads kernel drivers by its self, they are there, and manual loading does work, how can i fix this?
[15:25] <mazzen> Mythor: put the name of the modules  in /etc/modules
[15:26] <h3sp4wn> When did xv video output get broken for the radeon oss driver
[15:27] <Mythor> mazzen: i did that now for a couple, but thats not a neat sollution
[15:27] <Mythor> mazzen: a lot of modules don't load automaticly anymore, like lan, sound etc
[15:28] <mazzen> Mythor: sry, but i can't confirm that on my system. just wait for the next alpha, maybe it's gone then
[15:28] <h3sp4wn> Try rebuilding the initramfs (or looking inside it) - do sudo depmod -a
[15:29] <Mythor> i've rebuild initramfs
[15:29] <Mythor> and looked at the code behind it
[15:29] <h3sp4wn> check there is nothing like udev not running
[15:30] <Mythor> udev neatly detects my phone on the fly when i connect it, so i guess that works
[15:31] <h3sp4wn> udev not hal ?
[15:31] <h3sp4wn> anyway don't guess find out for certain
[15:32] <Mythor> (i can see it has been detected with udevmonitor)
[15:33] <h3sp4wn> When you say manual loading do you mean with modprobe or insmod
[15:33] <Mythor> modprobe
[15:33] <Mythor> i now have 67 modules loaded, used to be about 100
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> I have 99 - I think half of them or so are for things I don't need thouhg
[15:36] <Mythor> heh
[15:37] <Mythor> when i do a update-initramfs -u -v, should my networkdriver.ko be in the list?
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> No
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> You can put in there if you really want though
[15:38] <Mythor> so where/when does it detect my networkcard and loads the approprate driver?
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules - the only stuff that goes in the initramfs is what you need to boot
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> (and if you want a framebuffer for that to work that has to be in there for such as radeonfb)
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> udev wherever in the init process that is
[15:40] <Mythor> it is just weird that the devices are no longer automaticly detected
[15:41] <Mythor> do you know the name of the script/app that is used to detect the hardware or is it all inside udev
[15:49] <savvas> hm.. how can i add ANSI coding to gedit?
[15:50] <savvas> i know about unix2dos, but i thought there might be a better way to save windows-readable text files
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ?
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> both formats are ANSI
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> the difference is LR CR vs CR thats all afaik
[15:55] <Milos_SD> Hi all ... Did someone downloaded all updates to today, and are they working ?
[15:55] <Milos_SD> :)
[15:56] <Mythor> Milos_SD: i have some problems with the updates of today
[16:04] <savvas> h3sp4wn: ah sorry, didn't know, i thought they
[16:04] <savvas> *they're different because they're named separately in windows notepad, utf-8 and ansi
[16:20] <Beererde> hi. how do i do an upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 to 8.0?
[16:20] <henkjan> Beererde: do-release-upgrade
[16:20] <hydrogen> 8.04 isn't released yet.
[16:20] <hydrogen> you should only do it if you feel like bleeding
[16:21] <Beererde> i have a serious problem, my open office won't run, and i filed a bug report. answer was he had information that it is fixed in 8.0
[16:22] <hydrogen> mm
[16:22] <hydrogen> thats a problem fixable on gutsy
[16:22] <hydrogen> most likely.
[16:22] <hydrogen> considdering ti runs for lotsa other people
[16:23] <Beererde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/194414
[16:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194414 in openoffice.org "WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit" [Low,Incomplete]
[16:24] <Beererde> i need both lyx and ooffice
[16:24] <Beererde> if you have suggestions...
[16:28] <muszek> Beererde: if I were you, I'd download a live cd and try if everything works nicely... then do a dist-upgrade (not from CD...)
[16:29] <muszek> Beererde: and to answer your original question: update-manager -d
[16:29] <Beererde> muszek: ooffice from a live cd works
[16:29] <Beererde> it must have been some automatic update that broke things
[16:30] <muszek> Beererde: I meant "download Hardy live cd before you decide to upgrade" because stuff might be broken for you
[16:30] <Beererde> muszek: aah ok. good idea
[16:30] <Beererde> ok i'll do that
[16:30] <Beererde> thanks
[16:31] <nemo> hydrogen: well, I reluctantly had to upgrade my mom to hardy alpha since her machine was almost unusable in gutsy
[16:31] <muszek> Beererde: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-5/
[16:31] <nemo> about half-way through gutsy, something or other completely !@#$ed up sound...
[16:31] <nemo> hydrogen: any application using sound stood a very good chance of locking up or crashing.
[16:32] <muszek> I did an early upgrade because of serious problems in gutsy, too
[16:32] <mazzen> aehm.. i would say that  8.04 *is* currently extremely unstable and i would *never* use it for my productive system!
[16:32] <CorruptTerrorist> where can i download cpanel?
[16:32] <nemo> mazzen: overall I agree.
[16:32] <nemo> mazzen: I did upgrade myself to 8.04 so I'd know what problems my mom was facing :)
[16:32] <CorruptTerrorist> oops wrong chan
[16:33] <mazzen> nemo: yes. and if X is broken.... yes, that's funny... :-/
[16:33] <mazzen> today's update broke it and it costs me hours to get it working proper...
[16:34]  * mazzen thinks whatever "proper" means ;-)
[16:35] <nemo> mazzen: ... was that the hardware autodetect they rolled out?
[16:35] <nemo> mazzen: the one that blew away most xorg.conf ?
[16:38] <mazzen> nemo: hm... honestly i couldn't identify the accurately reason. i guess it was something with the driver for my old ati card in combination to the xorg-server
[16:39] <mazzen> nemo: i installed the xserver-xorg-video-ati packes i found on https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive and it worked again.
[16:40] <nemo> mazzen: ah. well, I've had a grudge against ATI cards for years
[16:40] <nemo> even in windows development they made my life hell
[16:40] <nemo> and their support was crap - we gave them test cases, stack traces, narry a fix
[16:40] <nemo> so we switched all our cards to nvidia
[16:40] <mazzen> if this would be possible with notebooks... i would!
[16:46] <Beererde> i use intel, intel gma ftw
[16:48] <LeeJunFan> do I need to do anything other than wait for the BAD SIG problem I'm having with apt?
[16:53] <Arwen> argh, someone broke it
[17:02] <DanglyBits> how do i install kde 4.0.1 in Hardy ubuntu?
[17:04] <muszek> DanglyBits: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[17:04] <muszek> I'm not 100% sure, though (don't have kde myself)
[17:17] <punQ-arT> hi guys
[17:17] <punQ-arT> does anyone have problems with ndiswrapper in hardy?
[18:01] <lunks> Which is the name of the sound system implemented on Hardy? Is it esound?
[18:01] <lunks> I don't remember the name
[18:01] <awalton__> pulseaudio.
[18:02] <lunks> oh thats it, tnx
[18:02] <lunks> =)
[18:02] <awalton__> it replaces esound.
[18:02] <lunks> hmm ok
[18:04] <Arwen> amazing, I've been running compiz for two days straight and I haven't caused a kernel panic yet
[18:04] <Arwen> amazing
[18:05] <DanaG> Error: HTTP Error: Not implemented
[18:05] <DanaG> Please select another viewer and try again.
[18:05] <DanaG> Trying to view an Avahi-presented web page via service-discovery-applet.
[18:06] <nemo> Arwen: that's amazing? :)
[18:07] <DanaG> bug 190934
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190934
[18:08] <Tikihead> hey herons
[18:23] <Viaken> I'm trying to build the rtl8180-sa2400 driver and am getting an error. http://pb.udderweb.com/169 Am I missing some sort of header or library?
[18:27] <jron> hello, i'm attempting to setup vmware; however the installer needs linux-headers to build off of for one of the modules. Problem: linux-headers-2.6.24-8-server is not in the apt repo
[18:27] <jron> anyone know why 2.6.24-8-server is missing?
[18:28] <jron> 2.6.24-10 is there.... *-6 is not though
[18:29] <nemo> jron: virtualbox ;)
[18:29] <nemo> although actually...
[18:30] <Viaken> Virtualbox is fairly buggy, in my experience. kvm is nice, and qemu is ok, too.
[18:30] <nemo> I seem to have .24-8
[18:30] <nemo> Viaken: buggy how?
[18:30] <Viaken> Random crashes
[18:30] <Viaken> The VMs would just die
[18:30] <jron> nemo, do you see 24-8 in the apt repo?
[18:30] <nemo> Viaken: I'm in vbox right now.
[18:30]  * Viaken shrugs
[18:30] <nemo> do 98% of my operations at work in it
[18:30] <nemo> Qemu, unfortunately, is not windows-friendly :-/
[18:31] <Viaken> Fair enough
[18:31] <nemo> jron: you think it is just left over?
[18:31] <Viaken> YMMV, after all. lol
[18:31] <jron> nemo, i assumed it would be there by default too... but it is not in /usr/src is there another location?
[18:32] <nemo> jron: that's where it is in mine
[18:32] <jron> grrr =) well that is good to know. did you install desktop or server of alpha5?
[18:32] <nemo> desktop
[18:32] <jron> k, wonder if that is my problem.
[18:33] <jron> or part of it at least.
[18:33] <nemo> yep. there it is in synaptic
[18:33] <jron> vbox will overtake vmware soon if vmware keeps going towards being a windows app with a focus on esx / 3i
[18:34] <jron> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=hardy&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-headers-2.6.24
[18:35] <nemo> that's odd
[18:35] <jron> I only see *-10 =(
[18:35]  * nemo reconnects and rechecks synaptic
[18:36] <jron> i think it use to be there at some point in time...
[18:36] <jron> google returns results for it
[18:36] <nemo> I definitely have it in synaptic, and listed as installed. I wonder why it wasn't cleaned up
[18:36] <nemo> perhaps 'cause I already had 'em installed?
[18:36] <jron> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=OKp&q=ubuntu+2.6.24-8-server+headers&btnG=Search
[18:36] <jron> first result
[18:36] <jron> also odd, imo.
[18:37] <nemo> maybe -8 was buggy
[18:38] <jron> must have been real buggy for them to remove it! =)
[18:40] <jron> guess i'll try and update the kernel...
[18:43] <DanaG> They always remove old versions, for some reason.
[18:43] <DanaG> I wish they'd leave at least one previous version of things, for safety.
[18:45] <h3sp4wn> Unless you manually remove them you end up with a stack of kernels anyway
[18:49] <DanaG> argh, pdflush keeps waking up the drive.
[18:50] <h3sp4wn> Last try test version of lrm anywhere with nvidia 169.12 (Or I just hack it together for myself its not even difficult to do just time consuming)
[18:54] <jron> is there a simple one liner for kernel upgrades? or must I get linux, headers, image, modules etc?
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> Just keep the meta packages installed
[18:59] <s0u][ight> hello i have a problem with my usb webcam
[18:59] <s0u][ight> in gusty it worked fine
[18:59] <s0u][ight> but in hardy lsusb gives nothing
[19:00] <me64> is there a howto on compiz-fusion for hardy heron alpha 5 x86_64
[19:00] <s0u][ight> no one?
[19:00] <me64> or a readme
[19:01] <Pici> If you need a how-to, you probably shouldnt be using Hardy, see the /topic
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> Is it not included ?
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> I don't know the difference between whatever compiz hardy has and compiz-fusion
[19:01] <jron> off to try this again... thank you all the help guys =)
[19:02] <nicolah> does hardy heron use xfce 4.4.2 ?
[19:03] <s0u][ight> how can i enable usb ports i think they're closed
[19:03] <Pici> !info xfce4 | nicolah
[19:03] <ubotu> nicolah: xfce4 (source: xfce4): Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.4.2 (hardy), package size 5 kB, installed size 48 kB
[19:04] <Pici> I guess the answer is yes then.
[19:04] <nicolah> ok, thanks
[19:04] <nicolah> the bot answer wasn't that clear
[19:04] <mohbana> how can i get access to a sqlite database .db file
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> Did xfce properly fix xrandr 1.2 support yet
[19:05] <nicolah> is http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ influencing your work, developers ?
[19:05] <baastrup_> hey there,  im having some problems with my wireless network i hardy, it worked in gutsy. it connects to the network get an ip. but i cant ping or do nslookups. i notits the thre was a wmaster0 adn a vnet0 in ifconfig
[19:05] <h3sp4wn> nicolah: probably not the right channel to ask that
[19:05] <nicolah> ok
[19:06] <baastrup_> !info wireless
[19:06] <ubotu> Package wireless does not exist in hardy
[19:06] <baastrup_> !info nm
[19:06] <ubotu> Package nm does not exist in hardy
[19:06] <baastrup_> !info nm-applet
[19:06] <h3sp4wn> !fish
[19:06] <ubotu> Package nm-applet does not exist in hardy
[19:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:07] <h3sp4wn> ironic - I was pretty sure there was a thing for that - either way use /msg
[19:07] <baastrup_> !info wlan0
[19:07] <ubotu> Package wlan0 does not exist in hardy
[19:07] <h3sp4wn> baastrup_: stop that crap
[19:07] <h3sp4wn> use /msg
[19:08] <baastrup_> h3sp4wn: sorry
[19:08] <h3sp4wn> i.e /msg ubotu msgthebox
[19:09] <Pici> bot
[19:11] <s0u][ight> hello i can't see my usb webcam can some one help me?
[19:14] <nicolah> h3sp4wn: #ubuntu-devel guys said they will keep that website in consideration for 8.10 release
[19:18] <dusti[n]> anyone got wine working ?
[19:19] <Pici> I believe its currently broken.
[19:19] <Dusti[n]> dangit
[19:20] <Dusti[n]> i wonder how long it will take um to fix it
[19:23] <Arwen> ARGH
[19:24] <Arwen> stupid broken metapackages...
[19:24] <Arwen> Dusti[n], you can use the feisty version until it's fixed
[19:24] <Arwen> just apply a pin to keep it from getting replaced
[19:41] <kahrytan> Does Hardy have the cx18 driver for ivtv?
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> nicolah: I guess that is the one where they do what they like again or ?
[20:06] <lunks> When transferring files over a smb share, remote computer is hanging due to other problems. Thing is, Hardy hangs and it's impossible to hit cancel as it's too slow.
[20:06] <lunks> Is this known?
[20:24] <DrHala1> firefox 3 seems to have a kde skin (blueish) im on gnome though
[20:29] <picard_pwns_kirk> following recent updates, I have noticed that some of my games render funny in 3-d.
[20:30] <picard_pwns_kirk> specifically, like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2299007958_6a34ce5bb1_o.jpg
[20:31] <picard_pwns_kirk> my graphics card is an intel x3000
[20:33] <picard_pwns_kirk> the windows version of the game works fine on my system
[20:35] <hischild> is there an online version to upgrade to hardy?
[20:35] <picard_pwns_kirk> hischild: open a terminal, type "sudo update-manager -d"
[20:36] <Flannel> gksu
[20:36] <picard_pwns_kirk> or that
[20:37] <hischild> picard_pwns_kirk, Flannel <3
[20:37] <Oli``> picard_pwns_kirk: which game is that?
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> How can I get gnome to be more sane with the virtual desktops i.e if I move off one side move to the next
[20:38] <credible> h3sp4wn: use compiz? :)
[20:38] <credible> metacity use desktops instead of viewports, so that's not possible
[20:43] <hischild> only 1025 files to fetch
[20:47] <DrHala1> hey i just updated to 8.4 and winecfg gives a seg fault...
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> credible: Most other sane window managers manage it
[20:49] <thegve> Hello, I just read the wiki page the link in this channels subject points to, and in the "network update for ubuntu desktop users" I see a link in what looks to me like Polish or something. "Wgraj nowy załącznik "update-manager.png"". The link doesn't seem to point anywhere.
[20:49] <thegve> Would anyone mind if I remove it?
[20:50] <thegve> DrHala1: something about an assertion?
[20:51] <hischild> DrHala1, correct ... use the gutsy ones ..
[20:52] <hischild> they borked the latest hardy ones
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> credible: Makes my laptop feel slow as hell - maybe the new nvidia driver might fix
[20:53] <credible> h3sp4wn: by supporting viewports
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> but I don't need it enough to suffer running compiz
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> credible: by running compiz
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> such as even afterstep does that right there is no technical reason gnome shouldn't do it
[20:54] <credible> metacity will never support viewports, so you can give up on that :)
[20:54] <h3sp4wn> (This is on a quadro 1600m with 512mb of video memory) its ok if I disable speedstep
[20:54] <h3sp4wn> I should just switch to sawfish
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> Or away from gnome but I am lazy
[20:55] <thegve> I just switched back to running compiz
[20:55] <thegve> On my system it 'feels' faster than the old system (metacity - or am I confusing stuff again)
[20:56] <lordleemo> question are the packages going to be updated in hardy?
[20:56] <thegve> "the packages" ?
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> And it assumes that people don't use the windows key
[20:57] <h3sp4wn> (I use it for meta in emacs so I can do other stuff with alt)
[20:57] <lordleemo> packages that are oudated in the repositeries
[20:57] <thegve> h3sp4wn: You can reconfigure stuff using the gnome-control-center (compiz-config)
[20:57] <Leftmost> Is there a reason that the gnome-terminal in Hardy, despite being the latest 2.21, does not show the latest translation updates? Even in Launchpad?
[20:57] <thegve> lordleemo: Possibly - A lot of updates will occur on hardy
[20:58] <thegve> lordleemo: You can look up package versions on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> Is there a trick to get rid of all that flickering you get with compiz
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> SGI had that right a decade ago
[20:58] <lordleemo> ok but what about packackes im trying to install gnumeric  which is now 1 year old it relies on various packages also outdated
[20:59] <thegve> h3sp4wn: When do you get flickering?
[20:59] <thegve> h3sp4wn: You do have 3d accelaration?
[20:59] <h3sp4wn> thegve: moving windows about quickly
[20:59] <h3sp4wn> or can I set vsync somewhere
[20:59] <credible> h3sp4wn: nvidia misreports the refresh rate
[20:59] <credible> so if you want to get proper vsync, you have to manually tell compiz your true refresh rate
[21:00] <thegve> h3sp4wn: I just moved some windows as fast as I could, not flickering
[21:00] <h3sp4wn> credible: Would the same thing work if I disable dynamic twinview
[21:00] <credible> yes
[21:00] <thegve> only the rollup and rolldown stuff sometimes makes some drawing errors it corrects in 1 second or so
[21:00] <thegve> only half of the screen being rendered etc
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> credible: Or is it really easy to tell compiz the proper refresh rate ?
[21:01] <thegve> I run a AMD64 3700+ / ATI X800 (256mb??) / 4GB
[21:01] <credible> ccsm: General Options > Display Settings
[21:02] <thegve> h3sp4wn: System - Management (i use a localised version..) - Screens and Graphics
[21:03] <credible> thegve: that's where nvidia misreports it ;)
[21:03] <thegve> Monitor settings (click plug and play in most cases on the left tab)
[21:03] <thegve> h3sp4wn: But you can configure it there...?
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> No - And why don't I have nvidia-settings
[21:04] <thegve> ay
[21:04] <thegve> I see
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> or whatever it is that normally tells you what nvidia is doing
[21:04] <thegve> It offers the option to import a .inf file
[21:04] <thegve> maybe you could hack one
[21:04] <thegve> But I wouldn't recommend that of course...
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> because its not installed that is why
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> credible: is ccsm -simple-ccsm
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> or compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:13] <hischild> update errors should be filed as bug reports?
[21:15] <credible> h3sp4wn: the latter
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> credible: It seems a bit better now - If I disable speedstep and the equivalent thing for the nvidia then its perfect fast - its a bit better now though
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> changing the texture quality to best seems a good idea
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> or some of the other misc stuff I don't know what does
[21:27] <DigitalNinja> Is there a kubuntu hardy heron?
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> yep
[21:37] <TimS> Hello.
[21:37] <TimS> I am running hardy and when I open the Screens and Graphics dialogue, nothing shows up, so I cannot adjust my resolution.
[21:38] <TimS> Not sure if this is a local problem or one with ubuntu.
[21:43] <Laney> Has the home button been removed in ff3? :(
[21:43] <nemo> TimS: WFM
[21:43] <nemo> TimS: tested remotely with sudo displayconfig-gtk
[21:43] <TimS> Oh.
[21:44] <TimS> It isn't working on my test machine or on virtualbox
[21:44] <nemo> Laney: is on my bookmarks toolbar...
[21:44] <nemo> TimS: any output to console?
[21:44] <nemo> file a bug I guess :)
[21:45] <Laney> nemo: That's more clicks
[21:45] <TimS> I have been running it GUI, ill try it on a terminal
[21:45] <nemo> Laney: install a theme that has it? dunno. I never found it that useful.
[21:46] <nemo> Laney: actually, you can just move it with customize
[21:46] <nemo> Laney: I moved it next to the other buttons, then, since I was in there anyway, got rid of the silly thing
[21:47] <Laney> nemo: I can't see it in customise...
[21:47] <nemo> Laney: that's 'cause it is already in bookmarks
[21:47] <nemo> Laney: but you can drag it while in customise
[21:49] <Laney> Doesn't seem to work
[21:50] <nemo> WFM :-p
[21:50] <nemo> Laney: ... you *are* in firefox customise dialogs option right?
[21:51] <Laney> nemo: Ah, I got it. It was in the bookmarks toolbar, not the menu :(
[21:52] <Laney> Much better!
[21:52] <nemo> that's what I said :-p
[21:52]  * Laney fool
[22:12] <swx1> Hi
[22:17] <swx1> anyone has problems with language-support-writing-en package?
[22:17] <lucasv1> is there an issue with font sizes in gnome at the moment?
[22:18] <lucasv1> firefox and some other apps act all weird. some text is too big, some to small
[22:19] <swx1> lucasv1: wich other apps?
[22:20] <lucasv1> swx1: gdm for example
[22:20] <lucasv1> guifications in gaim
[22:20] <swx1> no problems over here
[22:21] <TimS> None for me either.
[22:21] <DigitalNinja> Once again is there a kubuntu hardy?
[22:21] <dencrypt> DigitalNinja: yes
[22:22] <DigitalNinja> Where do I get it
[22:22] <dencrypt> I'm running it now
[22:22] <dencrypt> one moment
[22:22] <dencrypt> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/Kubuntu
[22:23] <DigitalNinja> dencrypt: Thanks
[22:23] <lucasv1> swx1: I've had this from the beginning
[22:24] <lucasv1> swx1: I filed a bug already, I just wanted to know if it occurred to anyone else here as well.
[22:25] <swx1> lucasv1: np
[22:28] <TimS> My kubuntu hardy is downloading =]
[22:28] <TimS> Keep seeding guys if you torrent'd it :p
[22:29] <s-wx> is there a way to fix the language-support-writing-en package problem ?
[22:30] <s-wx> anyone has brokencount problems?
[22:32] <EnderTheThird> Anyone else having trouble with Xorg taking 90+ % of the CPU in Alpha 5?
[22:38] <avis> is it unwise to adopt hardy since its in non-beta ?  when i tried the beta of gutsy there were some bugs i didn't like very much like disappearing bookmarks
[22:38] <s-wx> is anyone has problems with hyphenation openoffice package, just take a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hyphen/+bug/192310
[22:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Confirmed]
[22:38] <s-wx> *if
[22:40] <s-wx> avis: stay on a stable version
[22:41] <avis> ok :)
[22:41] <avis> thanks
[22:52] <s3phiroth> hi there. were there significant changes in the graphics configuration on hardy heron ?
[22:52] <s3phiroth> the thing is
[22:52] <s3phiroth> i just installed it, and there's almost nothing on /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:52] <s3phiroth> and X doesn't start
[22:52] <s3phiroth> i tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it doesn't asks anything about my graphics card
[22:53] <s3phiroth> is this normal behaviour ?
[22:55] <s-wx> did you tried to install from the drivers ?
[22:55] <s-wx> nvid or ati?
[22:55] <s3phiroth> not yet
[22:55] <s3phiroth> by the way
[22:55] <s3phiroth> this is an extremely recent laptop
[22:56] <s3phiroth> with an ati x2300
[22:56] <s-wx> download most recent drivers for the ati website
[22:56] <s3phiroth> The latest Xorg is available in Hardy, Xorg 7.3, with an emphasis on better autoconfiguration with a minimal configuration file.
[22:56] <s3phiroth> oh...
[22:56] <mazzen> s3phiroth: add  Driver          "vesa"  to your Device section to have something with X
[22:57] <s-wx> go in console mode, kill gdm, install build-essential and then run the installer with sudo sh filename
[22:57] <s-wx> this should help you a bit
[22:58] <s3phiroth> gdm doesn't even start
[22:58] <s3phiroth> and i had already tried adding vesa
[22:58] <s3phiroth> no go
[22:58] <s3phiroth> gdm just refuses to start
[22:58] <s-wx> well then you need to find a way to get those drivers
[22:58] <s3phiroth> but i'll try the binary
[22:58] <s-wx> of stay on a stable version ;)
[22:58] <s-wx> *or
[22:59] <s3phiroth> s-wx: the thing is
[22:59] <s3phiroth> this is a sony vaio cr31
[22:59] <s3phiroth> i've had a cr21 before which has broken
[22:59] <s3phiroth> they gave me my money back after some trouble with the store and now i got this one
[22:59] <s-wx> I8 dont know about ati drivers binary install but I had no problem with my nvid8600
[22:59] <s3phiroth> and even back with the cr21, some things like suspend/hibernate were a pain to setup on gutsy
[23:00] <s3phiroth> i even had to compile a more recent kernel
[23:00] <s3phiroth> so now i though giving hardy a try
[23:00] <s3phiroth> and see if those things were already supported, since this is a really recent laptop
[23:00] <s3phiroth> this thing is a penryn...
[23:01] <Mike_Feravolo> hello, has anyone had problems with the lastest (as in today)  64 bit kernal update ?
[23:01] <s3phiroth> so you can see how recent it is :)
[23:07] <s3phiroth> is there any way where i can find more information about the new "minimal" configuration file for xorg and what has changed ?
[23:25] <nandemonai> Has anyone noticed Firefox 3.0b3 not updating page changes until it's restarted?
[23:26] <dencrypt> no
[23:26] <dencrypt> it works perfectly :)
[23:27] <nandemonai> Hmm. I was working on a wordpress site and changes wouldn't show without restarting the browser. Epiphany was showing the changes fine though. Odd.
[23:31] <lime4x4> core 2 duo is better to use hardy 64?
[23:39] <s3phiroth> well i tried installing the latest binary drivers from ati but they don't seem to like the new xorg configuration scheme
[23:40] <macogw> is open office hyphenation broken for everyone right now?
[23:55] <DanaG> That was odd: my computer just hard-rebooted, completely randomly.
[23:56] <Mohero> interesting...
[23:57] <dencrypt> I think it's the aliens.
[23:57] <Mohero> no, not Aliens, but maybe the Leprichauns
[23:58] <Mohero> *leprechauns
[23:59] <dencrypt> we are the matrix.
[23:59] <dencrypt> night all. Time for spacebed.


[01:47] <robert_ancell> thomi, is quantal still enabled for lightdm CI?
[01:48] <thomi> robert_ancell: should be quantal & raring
[01:49] <thomi> if I'm reading this config file correctly
[01:49] <robert_ancell> thomi, the quantal builds are failing (qt5), I think we decided to drop them right?
[01:49] <thomi> robert_ancell: ahh, OK. I'll propose a merge now.
[01:49] <robert_ancell> thomi, ta
[01:52] <thomi> robert_ancell: https://code.launchpad.net/~autopilot/cupstream2distro-config/enable-mir-docs-upload/+merge/162907
[15:08] <kdub_> good morning, got internal client/inprocess working yesterday on android, today, getting both android and gbm to sit under the same platform abstraction for inprocess
[15:13] <tvoss> kdub_, \o/
[16:11] <kgunn> kdub_: sweet...
[16:56] <kgunn> its so quiet in here w/o alan & alf
[17:05] <kdub_> yep
[17:42] <kdub_> we probably need a namespaced "mir_egl_mesa_display_is_valid()" for both server and client
[18:11] <leowt> hi there, what is the status of the android drivers usage in mir?
[18:12] <kdub_> leowt, great!
[18:13] <leowt> kdub_: is there any arm platform used in development currently?
[18:13] <kdub_> the nexus line of devices
[18:14] <leowt> kdub_: what does need to be done to use a arm development board like pandaboard and so?
[18:15] <leowt> "loading drivers" is enough or theres much to do?
[18:15] <kdub_> leowt, with the pandaboard
[18:15] <kdub_> which, if i remember has an imagination gpu
[18:15] <kdub_> probably pretty close to the galaxy nexus, which works fine
[18:16] <kdub_> but you'd have to put an android image on the pandaboard, then an ubuntu touch install to get an ubuntu chroot
[18:16] <kdub_> and then just load the blobs, load mir on the device, and give it a go
[18:16] <leowt> kdub_: i have a couple of boards with Mali-400 available, same situation?
[18:18] <kdub_> leowt, havent tried with mir with mali cores yet, but i got my first mali device (nexus10) in the mail this week
[18:18] <leowt> im very interested in mir for desktop purposes
[18:19] <kdub_> so maybe 50% chance mir will work out the box, 50% chance i'll have to bang on it for a bit to get it to work
[18:19] <leowt> i will be glad to help
[18:19] <leowt> i have a couple of dev boards
[18:20] <kdub_> well, the easiest route is to find an xda-ported ubuntu touch image for one of your boards
[18:21] <leowt> kdub_: currently i see that you develop on top of android images, am i right?
[18:22] <kdub_> leowt, right, but that's really so we can use the android drivers unmodified
[18:23] <leowt> kdub_: what are the plans to get away from that "workaround"?
[18:23] <leowt> i mean, a pure ubuntu system
[18:23] <kdub_> well, its a much bigger effort than just the gpu... #ubuntu-touch might give a fuller picture
[18:24] <leowt> i see
[18:24] <leowt> kdub_: tnks
[18:25] <kdub_> no problem
[19:45] <jdstrand> hi! will MIR support XSETTINGS (I hope not, since it makes application isolation more difficult)?
[19:53] <kgunn> jdstrand: had to go look at XSettings spec....i come from android land
[19:53] <kgunn> but its a good question
[19:54] <kgunn> this only might come up
[19:54] <kgunn> in the future convergence story
[19:54] <kgunn> where we want to also support old x-apps (via rootless x on mir)
[19:55] <kgunn> for the near term we've only to worry with qt, wonder if there's something analogous
[19:55] <jdstrand> that rootless X on mir, that is a situation where all the applications running in X are in the same session, correct? ie, there is no isolation for keyboard events, etc
[19:55] <kgunn> & just as concerning in qt world
[19:57] <jdstrand> (for those in X, but an app in X couldn't mess with native mir app or vice-versa
[19:57] <kgunn> jdstrand: i'll have to punt and say "don't know" wrt no isolation on keyboard events
[19:57] <jdstrand> )
[19:57] <kgunn> yeah...that does sound correct
[19:57] <jdstrand> ok, well, mir is of course designed to thwart keyboard and mouse sniffing and screen grabs
[19:57] <kgunn> yes
[19:58] <jdstrand> right, so within that X there might be some questions on keyboard events
[19:58] <jdstrand> (that's fine)
[19:58] <jdstrand> it's also fine if xsettings is in X in mir
[19:58] <kgunn> cool
[19:58] <jdstrand> what I'm curious about is xsettings or its equivalent in native mir
[19:59] <jdstrand> (well, by some definition of 'fine'-- it is not great that applications can sniff each other in their, but those won't be coming from the app store, so it isn't an immediate concern)
[19:59] <kgunn> jdstrand: yeah, that's just it....mir tends to push out true window management/policy stuff....up to the shell's responsibility
[19:59] <jdstrand> s/their/there/
[20:00] <kgunn> jdstrand: but it is designed such that the shell will have access to privileged interfaces
[20:01] <jdstrand> if I understand that statement and what xsettings does, it sounds like the shell would be what would handle these kind of preferences, as opposed to the individual apps trying to honor them
[20:01] <jdstrand> (via a lib or something)
[20:01] <kgunn> right...and actually the mir guys sat with your guys last week
[20:01]  * jdstrand nods
[20:01] <kgunn> cause we did discuss apps sharing data (like drag and drop)
[20:02] <jdstrand> I don't know if xsettings came up in particular, so I wanted to ask
[20:02] <kgunn> i don't think it did...
[20:02] <jdstrand> (xsettings actually allows for module loading, so apps not being able to manipulate them or their equivalent is important)
[20:02] <kgunn> i will bring up with robertA gets on later
[20:03] <jdstrand> kgunn: thanks, I appreciate it. it sounds like we are ok, but I wanted to have a definitive answer
[20:03] <kgunn> for sure....i know raof & roberta will know for certain
[21:14] <kgunn> robert_ancell: i'm about to have to jet...kid has a dr appt....
[21:14] <robert_ancell> kgunn, ok
[21:14] <kgunn> but jdstrand was asking if xsettings would be used in the future
[21:15] <kgunn> like with rootless x for legacy x apps
[21:15] <kgunn> bottom line....will x apps be able to screw with each others settings ? or input streams ?
[21:16] <kgunn> i told him, x apps would be seperate process from shell/qt apps wrt settings like these
[21:16]  * kgunn wonders if he was right :)
[21:18] <kdub_> sounds about right
[21:22] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: right, so my question was mostly about native mir apps and mir supporting something like xsettings (I hope it does not). xsettings in the old X model would allow an app load modules and things by abusing xsettings
[21:23] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: it sounds like the shell would handle all that and apps would have direct access to any of it. can you confirm?
[21:24] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: as for rootless X server, it sounds like there will be a shared X session for all the non-Mir stuff to get lumped into. as such, anything in that session could in theory snoop/poke at everything in that session (but not outside)
[21:25] <kdub_> thomi, jenkins builds armhf package and then puts it in ppa:mir-team/staging on every commit, right?
[21:25] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: can you confirm that as well? if so, it could be neat to have a different rootless x server for each non-Mir app (at least optionally), which would isolate them much like Xephyr/Xnest/etc do now (though that might break some things that they expect to have)
[21:29] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: err, s/apps would have direct access/apps would *not* have direct access/
[21:29] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, otp, be back in 30mins
[21:30] <jdstrand> robert_ancell: ok, I'll probably be eod then, but I read backscroll. feel free to answer at your convenience
[21:33] <kdub_> if anyone has some review cycles for today... https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/native-buffer-type/+merge/162635
[22:26] <thomi> kdub_: correct
[22:26] <thomi> kdub_: sorry for the delay
[22:27] <kdub_> thomi, no problem :)
[22:28] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, correct apps will contact the shell for shell behaviour. Where appropriate, we will put things into the Mir protocol to avoid unnecessary side protocols, but we haven't really found anything for that yet
[22:29] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, confirm with RAOF, but for rootless X I think the default assumption is the X apps all share the same server. We'd treat using separate X servers per app as a security optimization. My gut feel is it wont be required (there wont be so many legacy apps to matter)
[22:41] <RAOF> I don't think there's any particular reason we couldn't have one-rootless-server-per-X-app.
[22:44] <robotfuel> when I run mir_demo_server on saucy, I get the following error message:  mir_demo_server: error while loading shared libraries: libmirserver.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:45] <robotfuel> what should I be running to run the mir server?
[22:46] <kdub_> robotfuel, sounds like something's not installed right
[22:47] <robotfuel> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646158/ is what I have installed from mir
[22:48] <robotfuel> apt-get install -y mir-demos is what I used to do the install of mir
[22:49] <kdub_> maybe mir-demos should depend on libmirserver0
[22:53] <robotfuel> kdub_: thats it thanks :D
[23:06] <RAOF> thomi: Could we please turn on Saucy builds in the PPA?
[23:07] <thomi> RAOF: yeah, I'm surpised they're not on already. will check now
[23:07] <RAOF> Ahem. Or maybe I could actually add the PPA back after blowing away my install.
[23:08] <thomi> robert_ancell: while I'm in here, do you want saucy for the lightdm daily builds?
[23:09] <robert_ancell> thomi, yes please
[23:09] <thomi> RAOF: no, you were correct - no saucy builds AFAICS
[23:12] <RAOF> Hm.  What broke the build under gcc 4.8?
[23:59] <kdub_> RAOF, have you noticed that mir_demo_inprocess_egl  doesn't terminate with ctrl-c?


[06:44] <Kilos> morning superfly and all
[06:44] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:45] <Kilos> your server down superfly ?
[06:45] <superfly> Kilos: why do you ask?
[06:45] <Kilos> or just mommy off
[06:45] <superfly> oh, yeah, just mommy never reconnected
[06:50] <Kilos> well how do i tell the roughies , hey watch your language there are ladies present
[06:50] <Kilos> hehe
[06:51] <superfly> hehe
[07:50] <Kilos> hi roryy
[07:51] <roryy> morning kilos
[08:57] <Kilos> yo charl
[09:39] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:48] <Kilos> who knows the link to last minutes
[09:48] <Kilos> Maaz, meeting minutes
[09:48] <Maaz> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.txt
[09:48] <Kilos> methinks that for may
[10:00] <Squirm> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[10:00] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[10:00] <Squirm> Kilos: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt
[10:00] <Kilos> ya that must be it. gracias
[10:06] <charl> hmm the next meeting is on th 16th right?
[10:06] <Kilos> yip
[10:06] <charl> *the
[10:07] <charl> ok i might need to miss it
[10:07] <charl> i have an exam the next morning
[10:07] <charl> so i want to do some last minute studying
[10:07] <Kilos> start learning now
[10:07] <charl> the only way i believe one can pass an exam is to cram everything on the last minute
[10:07] <Kilos> hehe
[10:07] <charl> i almost failed the mock exam because i didn't follow my own best practices
[10:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:08] <charl> i actually made the mistake of trying to understand the work :)
[10:08] <charl> big mistake
[10:08] <Kilos> horses for courses
[10:08] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:08] <charl> one thing i learned while doing exams is that there is no point in understanding the work if your teacher's don't
[10:08] <Kilos> it actually helps to understand what you are doing
[10:09] <Kilos> oh my
[10:09] <charl> when you need to actually _apply_ your knowlege, that is completely true
[10:09] <Kilos> look with google for good explanations
[10:09] <charl> but that unfortunately does not apply during exams...
[10:09] <charl> neh i understand the work exactly, the problem is, i still need to pass the exam
[10:09] <charl> and it's all multiple choice
[10:10] <Kilos> oh
[10:10] <Kilos> no more writing for hours
[10:10] <charl> nope that is the advantage
[10:10] <Kilos> odds are better with yes/no choice
[10:10] <Kilos> 50$
[10:10] <Kilos> %
[10:14] <charl> heh
[10:14] <charl> yeah
[10:15] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:15] <charl> from random import choice
[10:16] <charl> bool(choice(range(0,2)))
[10:17] <Kilos> what exam charl ?
[10:21] <charl> it's just a small training thing that i'm doing for work, nothing too interesting
[10:22] <Kilos> ah
[10:22] <charl> it's called ITIL v3
[10:22] <Kilos> well good luck anyway
[10:22] <charl> information technology infrastructure library
[10:22] <charl> thanks!
[11:20] <Kilos> bbl
[12:02] <Kilos> qp wb
[12:03] <Kilos> argh
[14:11] <smile> hi :)
[14:12] <Kilos> hi smile
[14:12] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[14:12] <smile> i now have over 19 000 edits on wikimedia projects including wikipedia :)
[14:13] <Kilos> well done
[14:13] <Kilos> hey i wanna fight you
[14:14] <Kilos> i looked in minutes of our last meeting, you signed in as smile
[14:14] <Kilos> grrr
[14:14] <Kilos> supposed to be full name
[14:15] <smile> ? :o
[14:15] <smile> where? :)
[14:15] <Kilos> lol wait i find it
[14:15] <smile> :p
[14:16] <Kilos> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt
[14:16] <Kilos> lots to read
[14:17] <Kilos> remember on the 16th to do it right
[14:18] <smile> O i see ;)
[14:18] <smile> 16 of July? :p
[14:18] <Kilos> ya next monday not this one coming
[14:19] <smile> sorry :(
[14:19] <Kilos> np
[14:19] <smile> Kilos: hug :D
[14:19] <Kilos> you are forgiven
[14:19] <smile> jaay :)
[14:19] <Kilos> hehe
[14:55] <Kilos> whew busy channel today
[15:16] <smile> smakelijk eten :)
[15:16] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:16] <smile> thanks :)
[16:10] <magespawn> Evening all.
[16:11] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[16:20] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[16:21] <magespawn> So whats up?
[16:22] <Kilos> not much here. been dead quiet
[16:22] <Kilos> and by you?
[16:24] <magespawn> Been busy driving today, so was only in the shop this morning.
[16:24] <Kilos> ah
[16:58] <Kilos> mrs_fly, wb
[17:08] <magespawn> Must be a quite evening, go away come back, and do not even have to scroll
[17:17] <Kilos> yeah been a tough day here at the office
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz, wake them
[17:19] <Maaz> HEY You bunch of lurkers. Wake up and take part in the daily chats
[17:27] <Kilos> gc coffee on
[17:27]  * gc starts grinding coffee
[17:31] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:31] <Kilos> gc thanks
[17:31] <gc> Kilos: my pleasure
[17:32] <Kilos> superfly, you got 5 mins?
[17:33] <Kilos> or maybe even someone else with know how
[17:34] <Kilos> when you pm someone here is that only a 1 on 1 pm or is there a way to get someone else there too
[17:35] <Kilos>  as in /j #ubuntu-za/kilos or something
[17:59] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:59] <Kilos> magespawn, you killed gc
[18:00] <Kilos> gc wb
[18:00] <gc> Thanks Kilos It was a bit of a struggle getting here.
[18:02] <superfly> Kilos: no, a PM is 11 on 11
[18:02] <superfly> *1 on 11
[18:02] <superfly> argh!
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <superfly> my netbook keys are sensitive
[18:02] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:02] <superfly> you know what I mean
[18:02] <Kilos> yes ty
[18:31] <inetpro> guten abend
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:32] <Kilos> bye smile
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:33] <smile> Kilos: thanks! :D you too ;) see ya :)
[18:33] <Kilos> ty
[18:54]  * Kilos goes to the warm place. sleep tight all
[18:57] <inetpro> gnight Kilos
[18:58] <Kilos> see yas morrow night
[18:59] <Kilos> i forgot maia asked for speakers for the 13th our next meet will be too late
[19:00] <Kilos> dunno if we didnt get that far with the agenda  or what
[19:01] <Kilos> item 5 d in last agenda
[19:32]  * Squirm sips his coffee
[19:54] <plustwo> Hi everyone
[20:25] <inetpro> plustwo: gaan slaap
[20:25] <inetpro> Squirm: coffee is not good for you at this hour
[20:27] <inetpro> ahh good, they both sleeping already
[20:28] <Squirm> it isn't?
[20:29] <Squirm> it doesn't keep me awake
[20:41] <inetpro> eh
[20:41] <inetpro> :-)


[07:42] <Aaron> hey greetings
[07:42] <Aaron> can someone set my cloak?
[07:51] <Aaron> my launchpad is www.launchpad.net/~timido
[15:33] <el> ?
[15:35] <el> hi staff, ack for ubuntu/member/aaron cloak for $a:aaron if/when they return and that's what they wanted.
[15:36] <el> ping me when done so i can do clickyclicky elsewhere
[15:37] <jess> are you able to confirm that with them when they come back and then prod me
[15:37] <el> assuming i'm around
[15:37] <el> i've checked their launchpad memberships and their request is valid.
[15:38] <el> technically i could ask for it for them now and just have you do it i believe but uh well... i'm not so sure what they wanted rn