[00:06] <cjae> any suggestions for a good password manager?
[00:06] <cjae> I was using pwmanager but not supported in karmic anymore
[00:08] <cjae> is there anyone here ever : ) not trying to be rude
[00:09] <cjae> was going to use keepassx but it couldn't even properly import .pwm files
[00:13] <lzz> hi everyone
[00:52] <Nete> Hello. How Do I view system info in kubuntu.
[00:52] <Nete> I want to know the name of my graphics card
[01:20] <nikitis> How do I set up KDE to use Alt+ codes?
[01:43] <DrX> Hola
[01:43] <DrX> alguien podria ayudarme porfavor
[01:43] <DrX> hi, help me please
[01:44] <xuCGC002> DrX: What's wrong?
[01:44] <DrX> hi where spanish support?
[01:44] <DrX> mirc channel?
[01:44] <DrX> :(
[01:45] <xuCGC002> DrX: channel is kubuntu-es
[01:46] <xuCGC002> DrX: #kubuntu-es
[01:46] <DrX> :) asi? jeje no sabia
[01:46] <xuCGC002> sorry
[01:46] <DrX> tnks
[01:46] <xuCGC002> Drx: No problem
[02:11] <Darkseid> good evening folks
[02:11] <Darkseid> have a firefox question
[02:11] <Darkseid> and I have given up on googling it
[02:11] <Darkseid> how do you manually add mime types?
[02:13] <genii> Darkseid: /etc/mime.types
[02:18] <Darkseid> nope that aint it
[02:18] <Darkseid> thanks though
[02:23] <Darkseid> #ubuntu
[02:23] <genii> Darkseid: If you do:  about:config   in firefox and search for: mime_types  you'll see this is in fact the file it looks at
[02:24] <xuCGC002> Darkseid: No, we're not going back to that. :-D
[02:25] <Darkseid> lol
[02:26] <Darkseid> yeah I see that in the about config
[02:26] <Darkseid> hrmph
[02:26] <Darkseid> trying to set the association for the Citrix client to fire off wfica when I go to it through a browser
[02:32] <genii> Darkseid: Following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo instructions?
[02:36] <Darkseid> still no help
[02:36] <Darkseid> the client works fine
[02:36] <Darkseid> but I have to manually browse to its' location to launch it
[02:36] <Darkseid> and it is just getting annoying
[02:40] <genii> Darkseid: What is it's mime type?
[02:41] <Darkseid> .ica
[02:48] <genii> Darkseid: Possibly in about:config adding a new string called applications.ica   or application.ica  with the value being the path to wfica might work
[02:49] <Darkseid> worht a try
[02:49] <Darkseid> lets see what happens... worse outcome.. nothing
[02:49] <Darkseid> which is no different than I am at now
[02:49] <Darkseid> ;)
[02:51] <Darkseid> nope
[02:51] <genii> Might take a close/repoen of ff
[02:51] <Darkseid> I did
[02:55] <genii> Darkseid: in my mime.types it has application/x-ica         maybe try application.x-ica    as the name instead of application.ica ( in about:config)
[02:56] <Darkseid> aaaah
[02:56] <Darkseid> trying now
[02:56] <Darkseid> I have application.ica
[02:58] <genii> If that doesn't work I'm fresh out of ideas on it :)
[03:00] <Darkseid> nope
[03:00] <Darkseid> was worth a shot though
[03:00] <Darkseid> thanks for your help
[03:00] <Darkseid> I guess I just have to browse to the folder everytime
[03:20] <werfact> anyone needs help??/
[03:44] <daskreech> werfact: Me :)
[03:45]  * genii makes more coffee
[03:45] <crimsun> daskreech: yes, it's possible both at run-time and at compile-time to adjust the volume steps
[03:50] <daskreech> crimsun: Ok thanks.
[04:02] <zintus> hello everyone)
[04:02] <zintus> can someone help me my trouble with X server?
[04:04] <tom__> whats the trouble?
[04:06] <zintus> i have mx518 and i want side duttons to work
[04:06] <zintus> what i do: add mouse section to my xorg.conf
[04:06] <zintus> just as described here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Karmic
[04:07] <zintus> what i have: black screen
[04:07] <zintus> as i researched - problem in Driver option
[04:08] <zintus> if i change it to evdev all is ok
[04:08] <zintus> but i have package with mouse driver installed, wtf?
[04:08] <zintus> i mean driver "mouse"
[04:11] <daskreech> zintus: You may want to add the evdev events to actual events
[04:12] <zintus> what do you mean?
[04:12] <zintus> without config section i can select items in dolphin/etc with side buttons
[04:12] <zintus> and tried xbindkeys to bind side buttons to ALT|LEFT with no effect
[04:13] <zintus> same black screen on x server startup
[04:17] <daskreech> I'm not sure how the black screen corresponds to your mouse?
[04:18] <zintus> adding mouse section to xorg.conf == black screen
[04:18] <zintus> adding xbindkeys to autostart == black screen
[04:18] <daskreech> ah
[04:18] <daskreech> ok
[04:23] <zintus> so?
[04:28] <daskreech> sorry I'm not fully here. Have you looked at any docs for the Mouse section of xorg ?
[04:30] <zintus> suddenly not
[04:30] <zintus> thx for a right direction to search
[04:38] <chuck_> can anyone help me with editing /etc/apt/sources.list    I am clueless when it comes to editing in these terminal programs
[04:38] <chuck_> I just need to add a couple of lines to access some intel video drivers
[04:40] <chuck_> does anyone have 5 minutes to share their great linux knowledge please?
[04:41] <iconmefisto> chuck_: what's the problem you're having?
[04:42] <genii> chuck_: What lines and from where are they you wanted to add?
[04:42] <Zhenya> hi guys, i got a ton of questions from a newb
[04:42] <Zhenya> so here goes.
[04:42] <Zhenya> question #1. I installed 2 apps not from the kpackage. When i run them i get no memory left erros
[04:42] <Zhenya> and the computer basicly goes to shit and i have to hard reboot
[04:42] <chuck_>  iconmefisto: the lines are
[04:42] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: HI!
[04:43] <chuck_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:43] <genii> chuck_: Perhaps use the pastebin if it's more than 3 lines
[04:43] <chuck_> and
[04:43] <Zhenya> the two apps I installed are google earth and mixxx
[04:43] <chuck_> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu intrepid main
[04:43] <genii> chuck_: And you are running intrepid?
[04:43] <chuck_> yes
[04:44] <chuck_> i used the command
[04:44] <daskreech> Zhenya: Yeah those would eat memory
[04:44] <genii> chuck_: alt-f2   then: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <Zhenya> oh so i'm actually running out of memory?!?
[04:44] <Zhenya> i have like 2 gigs in this thing
[04:44] <chuck_> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:45] <genii> chuck_: vi or nano is fine too if you don't mind command-line
[04:45] <daskreech> Zhenya: did you check if you were running out of memory?
[04:46] <Zhenya> daskreech: hi! storage or ram?
[04:46] <chuck_> genii: no i do not like command line let me try kate
[04:46] <iconmefisto> chuck_: you might find nano easier to understand than vi. or just use kate as genii suggests, that should be very familiar
[04:46] <genii> chuck_: You will also after need to install the gpg key
[04:48] <daskreech> Zhenya: how much free ram you have
[04:48] <Zhenya> dang it lost connection, did anyone say anthing to me?
[04:48] <chuck_> genii: i think i have that
[04:48] <Zhenya> daskreech: how do i check?
[04:48] <chuck_> someone was helping yesterday in vi but I had to reinstall today
[04:49] <daskreech> Zhenya: short way is type free on the command line before and after you run the apps
[04:50] <Zhenya> right nw i'm running my usual mix
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[04:50] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: free -m (the -m option will show memory in megabyte units
[04:50] <FloodBotK3> Zhenya: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:50] <Zhenya> whoops
[04:50] <daskreech> other way is to hit ctrl esc
[04:50] <Zhenya> wrong thins
[04:50] <Zhenya> 2061264     799340    1261924
[04:51] <Zhenya> i have 1224 free!
[04:51] <Zhenya> in megs
[04:52] <chuck_> genii that was easy with kate thank you
[04:52] <genii> chuck_: You're welcome
[04:53] <chuck_> genii: the alt-f2 is that basically a terminal command line?
[04:53] <genii> chuck_: It prompts you for a program name to run... so not really a terminal in itself
[04:54] <genii> Konsole would be a terminal/console
[04:54] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: memory seems like everything is good
[04:55] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: any other reason that could possibly happening?
[04:57] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: I got googleearth from medibuntu repos. maybe try that? http://medibuntu.org/
[04:57] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: could you give me a quick lesson on repos etc?
[05:00] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: the medibuntu website has links explaining how to do it all. eg, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repository
[05:00] <Zhenya> great! thanks
[05:00] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: how do i uninstall stuff, heh?
[05:02] <werfact> Zhenya: u using intrepid?
[05:03] <Zhenya> werfact: no idea what that even is, just installed linux for the first time last week :P
[05:03] <werfact> what version
[05:03] <genii> werfact: I think chuck_ was the one using Intrepid :)
[05:03] <Zhenya> kubuntu 9.10
[05:03]  * genii makes more coffee
[05:04] <werfact> Zhenya: so whats the problem
[05:04] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: there should be an uninstall script in the folder you installed googleearth
[05:05] <Zhenya> ok let me look there
[05:05] <werfact> lol, stay away from google garbage
[05:05] <Zhenya> werfact: k sounds good. but then i can't make a phone call on my android :P
[05:05] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: same story with mixxx?
[05:05] <werfact> try skype
[05:06] <Zhenya> werfact: what about when I leave? :P
[05:07] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: I don't know what mixxx is, but don't think it's in medibuntu (if that's what you mean)
[05:07] <werfact> when you leave where?
[05:07] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: mixxx is  a digital dj software
[05:09] <Zhenya> ok great got google earth uninstalled
[05:10] <Zhenya> guys where are most things installed? in bin?
[05:10] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: mixxx is in official repos
[05:10] <iconmefisto> !info mixxx
[05:11] <Zhenya> ya and it crashes everytime when i run it....
[05:11] <Zhenya> i just want to uninstall and play with these things when i'm better acquanited with linux
[05:14] <werfact> Zhenya: install from repos
[05:17] <Zhenya> werfact: but how do i first uninstall it?
[05:20] <Zhenya> found it woot, I though it should be in the same place with kpackage....
[05:20] <Zhenya> oh it is
[05:20] <Zhenya> werfact: i did install it through the repository
[05:36] <DasBooo> Morning
[05:37] <DasBooo> I have a problem: i need, to connect to the internet, a new dial-up. I configured it, but i can't find where to use this new connection...can u help me?
[05:37] <DasBooo> it's a dsl-connection
[05:47] <daskreech> DasBooo: how is it coming from the DSL modem?
[05:47] <DasBooo> directly to my pc
[05:50] <daskreech> DasBooo: Via Ethernet?
[05:51] <DasBooo> jap
[05:51] <daskreech> And how do you get an IP address?
[05:51] <DasBooo> from auto eth0 i think ^^
[05:51] <DasBooo> right now i'm on with my windowspc -.-
[05:52] <DasBooo> the problem is, i don't know, where or how to use my configured connection
[05:52] <DasBooo> it's not in the list when i click on the trayicon
[05:52] <werfact> i guess you need to open the kppp or whatever its called, i think thats for the dialup
[05:53] <daskreech> DasBooo: How is your windows connection getting it's IP address ?
[05:53] <DasBooo> KPPP is open and i configured my dsl-connection there @werfact
[05:54] <werfact> DasBooo: you dont know how to start he connection?
[05:54] <DasBooo> windows is connecting by a simple login with my login
[05:54] <DasBooo> ops ^^
[05:54] <DasBooo> just a simple login with name and pass
[05:55] <daskreech> For DSL you may need to know if it's PPPoA or PPPoE
[05:55] <DasBooo> tried everythin...the problem are not my settings
[05:55] <DasBooo> the problem is, that i can't see my connection...or where to dial up
[05:56] <DasBooo> it's not listed in KPPP
[05:59] <genii> pppoe is dsl , ppp is acoustic modem
[06:00] <DasBooo> i looked...it's pppoe
[06:00] <genii> DasBooo: Do you see in the tray near speaker icon a network icon?
[06:04] <DasBooo> yes
[06:04] <DasBooo> by clicking this icon i can see eth0
[06:05] <DasBooo> sry, i am realllllly late, will be back later
[06:08] <john-charles> Hey all, is there a script folder for ram sleep/ hybernation, kind of like net up and net down?
[06:11] <genii> JonathanD: /etc/acpi
[06:11] <genii> tab fail :(
[06:11] <genii> gkffcks: /etc/acpi
[06:15] <gkffcks> thanks, quick question, if you know the answer, there doesn't appear to be a division between going down, and comming up in that directory, how do I distinguish the scripts?
[06:22] <genii> gkffcks: The scripts for each action are self-contained
[06:23] <gkffcks> so there's no way to add a specific script? Basically I need certain network file systems unmounted, and appearantly the process doesn't actually let if-down scripts execute.
[06:24] <genii> gkffcks: You can add in the /etc/acpi/events   some conditions to a particular action but thats about it
[06:24] <gkffcks> I see.... well I'll mess with it, and see if i can get it doing what I need. Thanks!
[06:25] <genii> gkffcks: If you open /etc/acpi/events/ac            you can see what it does when on wall power, etc
[06:28] <gkffcks> Basically I wrote a pretty nice python script that mounts some sshfs mount points, and unmounts them when net up, and down, but they never get unmounted when the system sleeps, which leaves all the mountpoints as frozen, when the system comes back up.
[06:29] <baddog> woah. So I just enabled desktop effects, and now I have a black screen with xchat and System Settings on it
[06:29] <baddog> :/
[06:31] <baddog> is it possible xchat did this? :/
[06:32] <chalcedny> my husband's computer is typing 3 letters when he presses the u key.. unfortunately that's in his login
[06:32] <chalcedny> we traded from the usb keyboarad to a ps2 keyboard and it's still happening
[06:43] <Guest3080> Hi, can anyone tell me how to fix 'resolv config missing in 9.10
[06:43] <Guest3080> cannot get dial up working
[06:54] <rosco_y> what is a good video player for kubuntu?
[07:30] <ayo12> olaa
[07:30] <ayo12> ola algun español o ablante español??
[07:32] <ayo12> hola hasse
[07:33] <T0mRiddle> Hi, I made the File Menu on Konsole disappear on accident
[07:33] <T0mRiddle> Anyone know how to restore it?
[07:34] <T0mRiddle> Woop, nevermind, right clicking worked this time
[07:34] <Hasse> ayo12: hi :)
[07:34] <ayo12> hi how are you??
[07:35] <Hasse> ayo12: ... I guess you wanna reach someone else - but I'm fine anyways :)
[07:35] <Hasse> ayo12: you?
[07:39] <jing>  sdf
[07:39] <ayo12> sorry, I'm spanish and to translation for me are very difficult jejeje :D
[07:40] <jing> Sorry, I am a green hand
[07:40] <jing> Hello, everyone
[07:40] <jing> :-)
[07:41] <ayo12> hi
[07:49] <cjae> Using kde 4.3.4 from ppa, how do I stop nepomuk indexing it slowing my system down terribly
[07:50] <cjae> it is*
[08:00] <Mamarok> cjae: just stop it in the system settings
[08:00] <cjae> Mamarok: how uncheck nepomuk desktop
[08:01] <Mamarok> cjae: go to the system settings -> Advanced Tab -> Desktop search and disable it
[08:03] <cjae> Mamarok: that should say how? ... uncheck nepomuk desktop
[08:03] <cjae> it seems to have worked
[08:03] <Mamarok> well, unchecking seems logical, no? :)
[08:03] <cjae> my file transfer was at like 3 hours or something
[08:04] <cjae> yes
[08:04] <cjae> last time I had it enabled I thought there was a system tray applet or whatever that would let me shut it off
[08:05] <Mamarok> cjae: that only disables the Strigi earch, not Nepomuk
[08:05] <cjae> oh
[08:05]  * cjae thinks the rain is gone
[08:08] <cjae> thanks
[09:31] <coogrid> ..
[09:54] <dfaure> X won't start at boot, and when I start it manually, it has no keyboard and mouse. X log says: (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null)
[09:54] <dfaure> what's the next step for finding out what the problem is?
[09:57] <Tm_T> dfaure: and haldaemon is running fine?
[10:03] <dfaure> I can't see any "hal" in the process list, but     start: Job is already running: hal
[10:03] <dfaure> hmm ok after "sudo service hal restart" it is -really- running....
[10:04] <dfaure> ok so it's like ssh, I don't understand why those services aren't started at boot
[10:04] <dfaure> is there a log file of the boot output? dmesg has nothing
[10:04]  * dfaure notes that the recovery menu without keyboard is really not useful....
[10:06] <Tm_T> dfaure: I know the feeling, shame I cannot help
[10:11] <dfaure> init: ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
[10:12] <dfaure> I see that a lot during boot
[10:12] <dfaure> init: hal main process terminated with status 127
[10:12] <dfaure> then the same with avahi-ademon and kdm
[10:15] <noaXess> hi all
[10:15] <SwissTorExit> good morning to everyone
[10:15] <noaXess> have problem with the openoffice pdf import extention fomr ubuntu repo... i know it's an oo.org question.. but the extention is from ubuntu repos..
[10:16] <SwissTorExit> i have a question, why on kubuntu when i take a git i.e, it never ask or e never see the fingerprint to control if it's really the right ?
[10:16] <noaXess> SwissTorExit: good morning to you.. swiss.. now it's time for noon
[10:16] <SwissTorExit> :D
[10:23] <icons> hi
[10:23] <cjae> ok is there a way to edit the menu in kde4 to make kickoff launch apps on the same screen kickoff is on (nvidia twinview)
[10:25] <cjae> I think the is way by alt f2 screen 0 or something like that
[10:26] <cjae> alt f2 vlc screen 0 that should say
[10:27] <Kolia> cjae: vlc screen 0 from command line does the trick?
[10:28] <cjae> Kolia: something like that I am trying to find the page again
[10:30]  * dfaure is experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/430611 except that it got closed because someoe though it only happened when /var was on a separate partition....
[10:30] <antares> mp3
[10:30] <antares> buongiorno a tutti
[10:31] <SwissTorExit> hello antares
[10:34] <Kolia> cjae: if you find the command line that does it, right-click on the menu icon > Menu editor > find the app you want to launch this way and check the "command" field
[10:35] <cjae> Kolia: I am thinking menu editor will use the same settings twice
[10:36] <Quintasan|Szel> anyone knows how can I display list of AP's near me in command line?
[10:37] <Kolia> cjae: i don't understand
[10:37] <llutz> Quintasan|Szel: iwlist s
[10:38] <cjae> I think menu editor will use the same settings on kicker 1 as kicker 2 making it not useful unless you want for example firefox to only open on screen 1
[10:42] <Kolia> cjae: oh i see what you mean now.
[10:42] <Kolia> well you can still try with one app
[10:42] <Kolia> maybe you'll get a good surprise :)
[10:44] <starslights> nobody have a idea about my question ?
[10:45] <Kolia> starslights: which was?
[10:46] <starslights> ihi Kolia, i would'like to be able to verify the sig certificat of https git or svn in exemple
[10:47] <starslights> when i take one, kubuntu never ask about it
[10:48] <starslights> i.e on ubuntu the first time we need confirm with temporary, permanant or refused and i never have found on kubuntu and it will be great to can compare the sig
[10:48] <starslights> sorry about my english
[10:50] <Kolia> starslights: i don't know sorry
[10:50] <starslights> okie, thanks to have answered, but you see what i mean ?
[10:53] <Kolia> not sure (but it's a long time since I left Ubuntu)
[10:57] <starslights> well when you want downlaod a program bfrom the source in a git repo for exemple, to be sure that's not a fake , the site of the program give a  siganture certificat for the https connection for the git. i.e:signature du certificat HTTPS : 11:34:5c:b1:c4:12:bla bla bla.... and my question are how can i see this cert in the terminal before it download the program.
[10:57] <starslights> actually it automatic download without asking me if it the same sig...
[10:58] <avihay> any chance someone knows how to make movies work in stepmania4 from the binary package in playdeb?
[10:58] <starslights> hi avihay, no idea, sorry
[11:00] <avihay> sigh... bouken desho desho just isn't the same....
[11:04] <cjae> I still have windows opening on the wrong screens, kde 4.3.4 9.10. Can someone please tell me 1. Does randr have any affect if you use the proprietary nvidia driver 2. Is it the nvidia driver which is the problem 3. Is there any solution
[11:04] <cjae> twinview
[11:04] <cjae> I am searching for months and seem to find plenty of wrong answers
[11:08] <cjae> !nvidia
[11:08] <cjae> !info nvidia
[11:23] <plan_rich> hi there! what about javafx in kubuntu. It works in eclipse/netbeans, but it does not in konquerer nor firefox...
[11:25] <plan_rich> do you have the same problem?
[11:25] <user1_> hi
[11:25] <icons> hey'
[11:33]  * mistrynitesh wants to know about popular text based web browsers
[11:34] <dfaure> mistrynitesh: links
[11:35] <plan_rich> hi there! what about javafx in kubuntu? It works in eclipse/netbeans, but it does not in konquerer nor firefox? what about you?
[11:41] <mistrynitesh> dfaure: was just going through the package description of elinks, it says: it is enhanced version of links...
[11:55] <chfwiggum> hi all
[11:56] <chfwiggum> how do i install all docs of all installed kde apps?
[12:16] <Renovatio> hi all, i've got a problem wih my cd-rom device...lshw recognize it and fstab seem to be configured properly but my OS doesent' see any cd insered...what could this isse depends on?
[12:41] <psicho> a lame question
[12:42] <psicho> if i install a library using the package manager where the hell does this package install ?
[12:42] <Tm_T> typically the libraries are in /usr/lib
[12:43] <psicho> well it isnt there :D
[12:43] <psicho> that was the first place i was lookin
[12:46] <psicho> lol i have never installed it :D
[12:47] <dfaure> dpkg -L <packagename> tells you, anyway, where the stuff got installed
[12:48] <psicho> dfaure: thanx for this info
[13:00] <noaXess> in gimp, if i want print any picture i can't change any paper settings.. is that a gimp isue or kubuntu/kde/gtk?
[13:10] <ldeveaux> quit
[13:25] <zoiss> hey guys. i was setting up my kyocera printer, but i got some issues with it. the printer is ignoring all settings. it is printing in duplex always for example ...is there anyone how can help?
[13:25] <zoiss> *who can help
[13:26] <psicho> is there a good tool for synchronizing stuff between win and kubuntu ? if both OSes are on the same machine ?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> everything is slow as hell
[13:46] <shadeslayer> brb
[13:52] <artem_> порно
[13:52] <sk81> is there a tool which collects event log messages from an email inbox an desplays them in a table on a webpage?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> !ru | Aradiv
[14:01] <shadeslayer> any ideas about : http://pastebin.ca/1752389
[14:18] <jb0694> how can u tell which version of kubuntu you are running (i.e. 32 bit or 64 bit)?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> !64
[14:20] <shadeslayer> um thats not it..
[14:20] <jb0694> i mean, is there a command or a gui that will tell you directly what bit version of kubuntu somebody has?
[14:21] <Kolia> uname -a won't give a clue?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> jb0694: yeah do : uname -a
[14:22] <jb0694> thnx... that tells me
[14:22] <Kolia> cool
[14:26] <acer_> i am nopphon
[15:03] <snowtown86> n
[15:10] <BluesKaj> hiya folks
[15:23] <dinfo> HI CHANNEL
[15:24] <Fanfare> Q: is there a top-like tool to monitor xserver?
[15:25] <Fanfare> dinfo: whats up?
[15:25] <dinfo> fine thanks
[15:28] <Tm_T> Fanfare: to monitor what exactly?
[15:29] <Fanfare> Tm_T: general xserver... what app needs how much x... something like that
[15:31] <Tm_T> Fanfare: err, that doesn't make much sense, X is not like cpu or ram
[15:32] <Vroomfondle> Is there a limited amount of 'x' to go around, then? If my X server runs out of x, can I buy some more somehow?
[15:33] <Fanfare> Tm_T: ok, different view... i sometimes see X climb to the top of my proccesses. then i'd like to know what X does...
[15:34] <Fanfare> Vroomfondle: pssst u need an X? psst...
[15:34] <Tm_T> that I do not know (:
[15:34] <LjL> !info xrestop | Fanfare
[15:35] <Vroomfondle> Fanfare: if X hits the top of your process list regularly it might be because you're not using DRI
[15:35] <Vroomfondle> that's a common cause.
[15:35] <Fanfare> Vroomfondle, LjL: ok, checking, thx
[15:44] <Fanfare> LjL: thx just what i wanted...
[15:59] <mellhen> will khtml or webkit be standard in konqueror in kubuntu 10.04?
[16:02] <Tm_T> mellhen: not yet decided
[16:04] <mellhen> have you ever tried accessing ebay with khtml if you want to view an article you have to scroll "meters" down
[16:04] <Tm_T> mellhen: hmm, haven't noticed this
[16:05] <mellhen> and maps.google.com does not work with khtml (try changing your location).webkit works. is there any guy here, who dicides this?
[16:06] <Tm_T> mellhen: whole team participates in this decision
[16:07] <mellhen> ok, so it would be nice to be in this team, wouldnt it? Where can i publish bugreport which are read by members of this team? i  did a lot of in launchpad an never got any feedback.
[16:10] <mellhen> Tm_T: how can i participate?
[16:10] <mac_nibblet> THe special version for netbooks that does include normal laptops?
[16:11] <mac_nibblet> Anyone?
[16:11] <Tm_T> mellhen: one method is to mail to kubuntu-devel mailinglist, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[16:11] <Tm_T> mac_nibblet: it works in any computer
[16:12] <mac_nibblet> Tm_T, yeah but does it support laptops better then the regular dist?
[16:12] <Tm_T> mac_nibblet: no, just different default desktop
[16:14] <mellhen> Tm_T: i send a suscription request, thanks
[16:15] <mellhen> mac_nibblet: what about to install kubuntu-desktop and after plasma-netbook-package?
[16:16] <JuJuBee> What program can I use to extract the audio tracks from a music video dvd
[16:17] <PA1> How to change the login window options in ubuntu 9.10?
[16:17] <dfaure> PA1: the manual solution is to edit /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc as root
[16:17] <dfaure> but there's a configuration module for it too, in lde ;)
[16:17] <dfaure> kde
[16:18] <psicho> hey people
[16:18] <mellhen> Tm_T: would it be usefull to post bugs in this mailing-list, too?
[16:18] <psicho> what should I install if i have no manual entry for such functions as memcpy etc... ?
[16:19] <jjjasxxx> My cooler rotate with very HIGH speed!  Where can I see speed of them?
[16:19] <Tm_T> mellhen: not really
[16:19] <mellhen> jjjasxxx: lm-senors and pwmconfig
[16:20] <PA1> hey thanks..
[16:21] <mellhen> jjjasxxx: if you are yousing an ibm notebook try Thinkpad ACPI
[16:22] <jjjasxxx> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ lm-sensors
[16:22] <jjjasxxx> bash: lm-sensors: команда не найдена
[16:22] <mellhen> Tm_T: so for bugs launchpad is still the first address?
[16:22] <jjjasxxx> command not found   BUT I now install throw apt-get
[16:23] <sfears> i'm having trouble finding the package that adds disk management tools (partitioner) to the system settings
[16:25] <Tm_T> mellhen: yes
[16:26] <mellhen> jjjasxxx: if you have installed lm-sensors run sudo sensors-detect and pwmconfig as root. hope itl help. try to find tutorials&howtos in your language
[16:31] <nikitis> I need help adding a new harddrive to fstab.  I thought I did it correctly, but it's still not auto-mounting at boot.  Could someone help me
[16:33] <nikitis> http://fpaste.org/M9or/ My fstab
[16:34] <nikitis> It's the last entry
[16:42] <soee> hi
[16:43] <mellhen> i read something about nepomuk search will be integrated in dolpin in kde4.4RC1. i cant find it in kubuntu 10.04A2. How to activate it?
[16:44] <soee> mellhen: when kubuntu 10.04 a2 was released ?
[16:45] <mellhen> soee: yesterday
[16:45] <mellhen> soee: but it contains kde4.4rc1
[16:46] <soee> mellhen: ok thank u, ill stay with 9.10 till some rc version
[16:46] <mellhen> soee: would be better if you want to be productive
[16:48] <soee> anyone figure out how disable/edit tooltips in kde 4.4 rc1?
[16:51] <ubuntu> ola
[17:06] <ozi> HELP
[17:06] <ozi> need simple image editor for karmic
[17:07] <LjL> !info kolourpaint4 | ozi
[17:08] <soma__> setting pidgin ubuntu 9.04
[17:08] <ozi> yes
[17:08] <ozi> working
[17:09] <ozi> tanks
[17:11] <sfears> i have a second hard drive installed and mounted as a vfat partition.. but i can't copy any files to it as a user becuase it's owned by root.. how do i mount this partition owned by a user?
[17:18] <dfaure> sure, only stay 5 minutes after asking your question....
[17:20] <ubotte> dfaure do not flood
[17:20] <dfaure> ?
[17:24] <Empty_foo> lol
[17:25] <rafaelmf> when I install audacity, mp3 files are associated to audacity, and not amarok anymore. where I could change this system-wide?
[17:27] <dfaure> rafaelmf: type "Associations" in your K menu, to start the "File Associations" configuration module
[17:27] <dfaure> rafaelmf: then type mp3, and change the order of the apps on the right
[17:27] <rafaelmf> the same for .avi and mplayer/vlc. i try to change this by /usr/lib/mime/packages and update-mime, but seems that ther order come from another place
[17:28] <rafaelmf> dfaure: but i need a system-wide solution, not on my ~/.kde/
[17:28] <dfaure> yes, /usr/share/mime/packages is only the definition of the file types, not the associations with apps.
[17:28] <dfaure> for a system-wide solution, change the InitialPreference field in the .desktop file
[17:28] <dfaure> so that the one in amarok is greater than the one in audacity
[17:29] <dfaure> or install mimeapps.list globally, if you'd rather not touch the .desktop files
[17:29] <luis_> I need help with plasma: the windows doesnt have buttons to close, also the process crash, how i can kill plasma so i reset it?
[17:29] <dfaure> hmm not sure that last solution works.
[17:29] <dfaure> luis_: that's kwin, not plasma
[17:29] <luis_> well how i can kill kwin
[17:29] <dfaure> luis_: type kwin & in a terminal
[17:29] <dfaure> or rather kwin --replace &
[17:30] <dfaure> I guess you got compiz, like I did after upgrading.
[17:30] <luis_> kwin & not installed!
[17:30] <luis_> wtf?!
[17:30] <dfaure> oh that might be what happened to me too then, since I compile my own kde....
[17:31] <ikonia> luis_: I've warned you before about your language
[17:32] <luis_> not u did not =)
[17:32] <luis_> hahaha i am kidding
[17:32] <luis_> sorry i say wtf a lot, even in real life
[17:33] <luis_> dfaure: in one of the lines i read: uninstalling wine 1.2
[17:33] <luis_> ...?
[17:33] <dfaure> wine is a Windows emulator, completely unrelated
[17:33] <luis_> the why kwin was uninstalling it...!
[17:33] <luis_> i just installed kwin
[17:33] <luis_> let me reboot
[17:36] <sameh> hi
[17:36] <sameh> any one wants to talk
[17:36] <sameh> ?
[17:36] <LjL> !ot
[17:37] <luis_> well
[17:37] <luis_> windows problems got fixed
[17:37] <luis_> but now i dont have wine
[17:37] <luis_> :)
[17:37] <luis_> its wine 1.2 in conflict with kwin or something?
[17:38] <werfact> how do i delete without moving to trash?
[17:39] <devilsadvocate> werfact, shift+del
[17:39] <werfact> devilsadvocate: thanks
[17:40] <cihan> hi
[17:40] <werfact> hiiii
[17:41] <dfaure> luis_: dunno, try apt-get install wine?
[17:42] <federico> hello
[17:42] <Fanfare> werfact: hold <shift> while selecting delete
[17:48] <rafaelmf> dfaure: about change de initialPreference on .desktop, you say in /usr/share/applications/kde4/amarok.desktop for example?
[17:48] <rafaelmf> i didn't find this field there
[17:53] <ryrych> hello, I followed this topic (http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108441.0) but can't get my microphone to work
[17:54] <werfact> rafaelmf: what's the problem?
[17:54] <rafaelmf> werfact: solution for association with apps on system-wide way
[17:55] <werfact> rafaelmf: you want to create a shortcut or what?
[17:55] <werfact> ryrych: did you check the microphone volume?
[17:55] <rafaelmf> audacity for example, when installed, is the app to open .mp3, and not amarok anymore
[17:55] <ryrych> werfact: yes, of course
[17:56] <rafaelmf> and i want to know from where it's read the preference of apps.
[17:56] <werfact> rafaelmf: right click file, properties, wrench looking icon, there u select which app to use to open the file
[17:56] <genii> sameh: Please stop PMing
[17:57] <rafaelmf> like a mimeapps.list  globally
[17:58] <werfact> rafaelmf: once you change it, it should be global
[17:58] <rafaelmf> werfact: that way you say, it resolves only for my user (~/.kde)
[17:58] <werfact> ryrych: try to unistall pulse and just use alsa
[17:59] <werfact> rafaelmf: do it as root i guess
[18:05] <sameh__> hi
[18:07] <werfact> hiii
[18:11] <markus_> Is this plasmoid for weather forecast working at all? When I enter "Bogota" as city it just says that it can't find that
[18:12] <Kage> markus_: how big is "Bogota"?
[18:12] <markus_> 8 million
[18:12] <markus_> capital of colombia
[18:13] <Kage> Hmmmm
[18:14] <Mamarok> markus_: try changing the server you use for the weather applet
[18:14] <markus_> Same happens when I enter "New York"
[18:14] <Mamarok> the US servers are pretty useless for foreign stuff
[18:15] <Mamarok> also you need to specify the continent
[18:15] <markus_> When I enter "New York, North America" same response
[18:15] <markus_> I get the impression its broken
[18:18] <Mamarok> markus_: use the BBC server, Bogota, Cloumbia works here
[18:18] <Mamarok> Columbia*
[18:18] <Mamarok> so does New York, USA
[18:19] <markus_> Mamarok: Strange, not for me
[18:20] <Mamarok> markus_: did you change the weather service provider?
[18:21] <Mamarok> also, you might give the LCD weather widget a try
[18:21] <Mamarok> it usually works better than the other one
[18:21] <markus_> yes, tried all 3 of them. Just trying the lcd one
[18:22] <Mamarok> anyway, those servers are all useless for me, they only know Zürich in Switzerland, which is not even the capital :(
[18:22] <Mamarok> AccuWeather is the only reliable server I know
[18:22] <Mamarok> but not in the list, unfortunately
[18:22] <markus_> Same response on the lcd one. Seems to be the same dialog
[18:23] <Mamarok> well, it works here for Bogotá, try with the accent?
[18:23] <kubian> which weather service are you using?
[18:23] <gatobravo> hi
[18:23] <markus_> I had that working on my last install. Now I have 9.10 brand new. Everything works, except that...
[18:23] <Mamarok> kubian: he has tried all of them
[18:23] <gatobravo> i new user of linux
[18:23] <Mamarok> hi gatobravo
[18:23] <genii> !welcome
[18:24] <gatobravo> thanks
[18:24] <markus_> Same result with the accent. Something else is broken
[18:24] <iconmefisto> !info yawp
[18:24] <markus_> maybe I could try to ping the servers? How do I find out the url?
[18:25] <kubian> diff service uses diff city codes
[18:25] <Mamarok> iconmefisto: yawp is the package manager for OpenSuSE, in Kubuntu you should use apt-get or aptitude on the command line or the software installer in the system settings
[18:25] <iconmefisto> Mamarok: no it isn't. it's a weather widget
[18:26] <kubian> am using 4.4 right now and cwp has more providers
[18:26] <Mamarok> markus_: it's not the server, since I managed to get data for major cities with the BBC weather service provider
[18:27] <markus_> MamaroK: But maybe I can't reach it from here?
[18:28] <Mamarok> markus_: are you behind a firewall?
[18:29] <markus_> As fas as I know not. But behind a wireless access point
[18:31] <Mamarok> iconmefisto: the yawp package is on kde-looks.org
[18:32] <iconmefisto> Mamarok: thanks, I'm already using it
[18:34] <mac_nibblet> Hiho
[18:34] <mac_nibblet> how on earth do i install a kth file?
[18:34] <mac_nibblet> everything i find on google referse to theme manager
[18:34] <mac_nibblet> but i cant find that program
[18:36] <Mamarok> mac_nibblet: in the system Settings -> Appearance -> Colors you can download new color schemes with the button Get New Schemes
[18:37] <mac_nibblet> aah
[18:37] <mac_nibblet> oki
[18:37] <mac_nibblet> thanks!
[18:37] <Mamarok> for different styles you get either the other kde4 styles from the package manager or download from kde-look.org
[18:39] <mac_nibblet> Mamarok: yeah i downloaded nuovXT2
[18:40] <Mamarok> mac_nibblet: that is a KDE 3 style IIRC
[18:40] <Mamarok> or just icons
[18:41] <Mamarok> if you want other icons, go the the icons part and download them from there
[18:47] <mac_nibblet> Mamarok:  do you know how to change the colors of the frame?
[18:52] <torasuku> None of my plasma widgets are working on my desktop :\
[18:52] <torasuku> Correction: I can't add any plasma widgets to my desktop.
[18:53] <torasuku> The only thing I get is "Could not find requested component: x"
[18:54] <mac_nibblet> click on "Theme Manager > Install New
[18:54] <mac_nibblet> Theme" select the file "NuoveXT2-5.kth" from the ~/NuoveXT2.5_KDE_Theme/Style/ and click OK
[18:55] <torasuku> mac_nibblet: was that for me?
[18:55] <mac_nibblet> no
[18:55] <torasuku> I didn't think so, heh, I was pretty confused.
[18:55] <mac_nibblet> :_P
[18:58] <mark__> !lista
[19:01] <mac_nibblet> markus__ me?
[19:01] <ubuntu> hola
[19:01] <ubuntu> q pecs
[19:03] <alex_mercer> q pecs
[19:03] <Tm_T> !fr | alex_mercer
[19:03] <alex_mercer> oui
[19:06] <alex_mercer> bye
[19:12] <sergej_> аватар
[19:12] <genii> !ru | sergej_
[19:15] <markus_> iconmefisto: Where exactely do I find it. The search in kde-looks does not find a package named yawp
[19:16] <markus_> Found it with google :-).  It runs in live ok, but install freeze during formating disks :( I have zotac ion mb with atom 330, sata controller set to AHCI mode
[19:24] <markus_> BluesKaj: Google pointed me to the right point on the page. Their own search does not find the package :-(
[19:26] <docx_> Do someone know where can be problem :(
[19:28] <BluesKaj> docx_, to which ext are you formatting the disk
[19:29] <docx_> BluesKaj: ext4, actualy I didn't change predefined settings
[19:30] <BluesKaj> docx_, no need to format the disk if it's already ext4 , just install to / on the ext4 partition, using the manual option
[19:30] <markus_> docx_: Try to format the disk by hand
[19:31] <docx_> BluesKaj: disk is not already formated.  Still stuck with 32 bit machines here ;-)
[19:33] <BluesKaj> docx_, the use the computer you are talking to us on to download and burn gparted live cd . It's a partitoning cd that will format your disk to ext4 , then when you install from the kubuntu live cd , nopartitioning will be needed
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !gparted | docx_
[19:36] <docx_> BluesKaj: I have no problem with running live ubuntu instance. but installation process freeze during formating
[19:37] <docx_> BluesKaj: but ok, i will try format disks by other way
[19:41] <docx_> markus_: so, I tried mkfs.ext4 but it freezes at creating about 550th inode from ~3700
[19:41] <docx_> markus_: and it freezes whole system
[19:42] <markus_> docx_: Maybe your disk has an error? Try another filesystem
[19:49] <markus_> Mamarok: Got yawp working. Much better than the ones I had! I am hapy :-)
[19:49] <soee> markus_: whats yawp ? :>
[19:50] <markus_> soee: A waether widget for kde 4.4
[19:50] <soee> markus_: can u give me some link pls ?
[19:50] <markus_> soee: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=94106
[20:14] <iconmefisto> oh sorry, just got back and saw the questions about yawp. mine came from this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa
[20:19] <zaqs> hi
[20:19] <markus_> Just found that in my fstab: blkid -o value -s UUID. which should tell you the UUID.  And compiled it with cmake. Had to install some stuff to achieve this, but finally I got it working ;-)
[20:22] <iconmefisto> markus_: ok, I could have saved you some time, I suppose by posting the ppa link earlier
[20:23] <iconmefisto> glad you got it working though. should be in official repos
[20:48] <kkathman> OK I guess that wroks
[20:48] <kkathman> works that is
[20:48] <kkathman> Its sure a bright yello :)
[20:50] <user__> hi
[20:50] <user__> I have a problem installing/using skim
[20:50] <user__> I installed it and it wokrs fine in firefox and seamonkey
[20:51] <user__> but it does not work in konqueror
[20:51] <user__> nor in amsn
[20:52] <user__> furthermore it broke my dead keys in amsn and konqueror, and quassel and konversation
[20:52] <user__> so I cannot write the accentuated e but instead I get ´e
[20:52] <vitamin-carrot> wow skin of death
[20:52] <user__> but in firefox it works great
[20:52] <user__> what went wrong?
[20:53] <vitamin-carrot> if you stop using the skin does everything work again?
[20:54] <user__> what skin?
[20:55] <BiosElement> He meant "skim" I think.
[20:55] <user__> I meam skim / scim
[20:55] <user__> for Chinese / Japanese input
[20:55] <vitamin-carrot> ah
[20:55] <user__> for kde I need "skim" in addition to "scim"
[20:55] <user__> I followed this tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-452018.html
[20:58] <domenico> lista
[21:03] <Pavel_> Can anyone help me figure out why Brasero isn't working in 9.10?
[21:04] <BiosElement> Pavel_: What's the problem? Besides it 'not working'?
[21:04] <Pavel_> In audio project mode, it won't let me add mp3 files to the playlist
[21:04] <Tm_T> Pavel_: you haven't installed required support packages?
[21:04] <Pavel_> I've installed the restricted extras and lame packages
[21:05] <BiosElement> Pavel_: Do you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[21:05] <Pavel_> BiosElement: they'd be in kubuntu-restricted-extras, right?
[21:06] <Pavel_> The exact phrase it gives me is that "this file is not suitable for audio or video media"
[21:06] <Fanfare> like w32codecs
[21:06] <Pavel_> this only occurs in audio project mode; in data project mode I don't get the error
[21:07] <BiosElement> Pavel_: I think so, yes. One thought might be running it from console and seeing if it outputs any errors.
[21:08] <Pavel_> how do I run it from consol/
[21:09] <BiosElement> Pavel_: Applications -> System -> Konsole and type in IIRC 'brasero'.
[21:10] <Pavel_> (installing w32codecs, one moment) - is the command "iirc 'brasero'   -?
[21:10] <genii> just: brasero
[21:10] <BiosElement> Just "brasero".
[21:12] <Pavel_> okay...
[21:14] <Pavel_> I tried adding an mp3 and once again got the "this couldn't be opened/ it isn't suitable for audio or visual media" message
[21:14] <BiosElement> Pavel_: Any output in konsole?
[21:15] <Pavel_> no
[21:16] <BiosElement> bah, figures. Any reason you can't use k3b? Might get around the problem you're having.
[21:18] <Pavel_> k3b has never worked for me...
[21:18] <BiosElement> Hmm, well I'm not entirely sure what's wrong. You might try #ubuntu since brasero is a gnome app.
[21:18] <Pavel_> currently once I tell it to convert a file or burn a project it brings up the window but no progress ever occurs
[21:20] <jongbergs> !hi
[21:21] <jongbergs> !resetpanel
[21:21] <Tm_T> !bot > jongbergs
[21:25] <jongbergs> hi, how do i reset panels in kubuntu 8.10?, gconftool cannot be used under kde.
[21:26] <jongbergs> win 2
[21:26] <Tm_T> jongbergs: by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasmarc when you're outside of KDE, for example (:
[21:27] <jongbergs> Tm_T: you mean on the virtual terminal?
[21:27] <Tm_T> jongbergs: for example, yes, just logout from KDE first
[21:27] <jongbergs> Tm_T: is there a tool like gconftool under kde?
[21:28] <Tm_T> jongbergs: no
[21:30] <jongbergs> Tm_T: is it safe to delete plasmarc instead?
[21:32] <Tm_T> jongbergs: if you remove it, you go back to defaults with whole plasma, that would happen with move too though
[21:33] <jongbergs> Tm_T: i'll try that, thanks for the info.
[21:34] <cbrowne> it's recommended you mv it to plasmarc.bkp rather than rming it
[21:34] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:35] <cbrowne> not that it has to be plasmarc.bkp, that's just my convention which I've picked up from other users
[21:36] <Daugha|n> What command do I use to find the lan mac address for a system?
[21:37] <genii> Daugha|n: Of the box you're on, the: ifconfig           shows it
[21:37] <Daugha|n> gene_: Thanks.
[21:43] <Daugha|n> So much for that idea....
[21:53] <user__> or can someone help me with the dead keys in kde apps?
[21:53] <user__> In kde apps I cannot write with accents or ñ instead of ~n., yet in firefox and seamonkey I can
[21:54] <jwill-> Is it just me, or did KMix remove the audio balance feature?
[21:54] <jwill-> And is there a different way to adjust balance?
[21:57] <jwill-> Nevermind, right-clicking on sliders in kmix has this option
[21:57] <mac_nibblet> Can someone give me their font settings
[21:57] <mac_nibblet> mine are kinda fucked :S
[21:58] <Tm_T> !language | mac_nibblet
[21:59] <jwill-> mac_nibblet: You mean in appearance?
[21:59] <mac_nibblet> jwill yeah
[22:00] <jwill-> mac_nibblet: It's just DejaVu Sans 9, by default.
[22:00] <jwill-> mac_nibblet: You can set them manually.
[22:00] <mac_nibblet> Ah thanks!
[22:00] <mac_nibblet> now my eyes dont hurt
[22:03] <user__> in xterm it works, not so in konsole
[22:07] <user__> it's set to german keyboard, NOT the nodeadkeys option but default: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout de -variant
[22:07] <user__> still konsole does not have dead keys
[22:08] <user__> what's wrong?
[22:09] <jwill> Something
[22:09] <jwill> In KDE, since apparently only KDE applications have that problem.
[22:09] <jwill> Try #kde, user__.
[22:10] <user__> ok, thx
[22:14] <comedit> I have had a crash of kontact or maybe only kmail
[22:14] <comedit> luckily i backup each night
[22:14] <comedit> and work with IMAP
[22:14] <comedit> HOWEVER IF I restore the dimap folder
[22:14] <comedit> i kmail
[22:14] <comedit> in kmail
[22:15] <comedit> and i startup kontact
[22:15] <noaXess> hi all
[22:15] <comedit> i see it trowing away lots of folders keeping only one alive
[22:16] <noaXess> i have a problem with sound ..... if i play a sound with aplay /usr/share/sounds/anysound.. then it will work at second time i use the command..
[22:16] <noaXess> something like a delay
[22:16] <comedit> and kontact gives 67 errors
[22:16] <kTk5> Hey everyone. Does the livecd mode not work under Ludic alpha 2? I get to the login screen, but I don't know the password or user name? Is it root or live or something?
[22:16] <comedit> The UID cache file for folder 989405213/INBOX/Trash could not be written. There could be a problem with file system permission.
[22:17] <comedit> anbody a clue
[22:18] <kTk5> Anybody knows the password for the login screen in Lucid Alpha 2?
[22:30] <praxitelis__> hi
[22:31] <mauri> i've try to generate .deb package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc but it gave the following error:http://pastebin.com/d42375b7d
[22:41] <mauri> i've try to generate .deb package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc but it gave the following error:http://pastebin.com/d42375b7d
[22:52] <xorred> I upgraded to kde 4.4.1 rc1, and now my plasma wont start
[22:54] <xorred> how can I downgrade?
[22:54] <xorred> kubuntu 9.10
[22:55] <xorred> omg
[22:55] <xorred> kline
[22:55] <xorred> can't reinstall, or uninstall kde 4.4 rc1
[22:55] <xorred> how do I do that?
[22:57] <Fanfare> xorred: did u try plasma-desktop in konsole?
[22:57] <xorred> can't reinstall, or uninstall kde 4.4 rc1
[22:57] <xorred> how do I do that?
[22:57] <Tm_T> xorred: doublecheck you have plasma-desktop installed, then doublecheck you have _no_ plasma related files in ~/.config/autostart/
[22:57] <xorred> omg it started
[22:57] <xorred> with plasma-desktop
[22:58] <xorred> I'll reboot now


[00:51] <CyborgZeta[m]> Better to stick with the default desktop (GNOME) in Ubuntu. Installing different desktops, in my experience, tends not to work as well as something like Debian.
[02:39] <pikapika> CyborgZeta[m], just do xubuntu from the start
[02:39] <pikapika> Much easier
[02:40] <pikapika> puff, try changing login manager maybe?
[02:41] <pikapika> if lightlocker is your login program
[09:54] <Ecki> Half a year ago I got fed up with windows and decided to try Xubuntu. I first tried a live system with Focal Fossa, but was not able to use my printer, a HP Officejet Pro X451dw.
[09:54] <Ecki> Then I tried Bionic Beaver and to my astonishment, the printer worked well, I installed Bionic Beaver and worked happily with it ever since. I delayed the update to Focal Fossa until now, hoping the probelm would be solved by now. But after updating today, the printer is dead again. I get a warning: "printer possibly not connected", that is
[09:54] <Ecki> positivly wrong.
[09:56] <Ecki> I have run printer settings, the printer is detected there and I get a notification that an additional driver is needed, but none is found.
[09:59] <guiverc> this maybe helpful Ecki, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273927/hp-printer-not-printing-correctly-after-ubuntu-20-04-install
[10:03] <guiverc> hp issue declared as fixed on https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/release_notes with hplip update 3.13.2 Ecki
[10:22] <Ecki> Thank you guiveric, I removed the printer and installed it again, but I couldn't print a testpage and still get the notification "printer possibly not connected.
[10:35] <Ecki> Finally the printer printed a testpage, but only one and no other printing. Again the notificatione "Printer possibly not connected" after disconnecting and connecting the USB cable to varying USB solts.


[00:01] <Eeyore-Jr> are there people that program childrens games here?
[00:04] <Eeyore-Jr> will ltsp build in a virtualbox vm ?
[00:05] <Rideh> Eeyore-Jr: i'm trying that myself
[00:06] <Rideh> setting up thindesk example in vm
[00:06] <Eeyore-Jr> k
[00:06] <Eeyore-Jr> i need to do some serious setup and testing before doing it on the real thing
[00:06] <Rideh> i don't yet know if its possible, although I dont really see why not
[00:07] <ogra> Eeyore-Jr, if you create the vbox with two NICs, one internal and one NAT you can even create a client in a second vm that connects to the internal network of the server vm
[00:08] <ogra> that how we do a lot of deveolpment and testing in ltsp
[00:08] <Rideh> ogra: i currently have a setup like that, primary nic is bridged, second is on a team segment all the client guests are then on the team segment with it
[00:09] <ogra> right
[00:09] <Rideh> ogra: i do have a question regarding deployment of edubuntu workstation installs
[00:09] <ogra> make sure tonot have a soundcard configured on the server, then you even can test the client sound
[00:10] <Rideh> I've created a more typical server to act as nat,dhcp, nfs (home drive), openldap etc. i then have the client workstations configured as I'd like them.  This is a mock environment and I'd like to test reloading the workstations via PXE.  I do have a pxe / pxe server functioning but right now it just provides netboot leaving the client pxe guest to do a net install which involves a lot of...
[00:10] <Rideh> ...interaction etc.
[00:11] <Rideh> I would like to make an image of the properly configured edubuntu workstation and then provide the ability to just write an image to a machine that is new / damaged.
[00:11] <Rideh> any tips?
[00:11] <ogra> well, that will require fiddling
[00:12] <ogra> but you could for example creare an image with clonezilla
[00:12] <ogra> that should be possible to deploy in such an environemnt
[00:13] <Rideh> i assume i'd have to delete the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and modify the hostnames
[00:13] <ogra> right
[00:13] <ogra> but thats scriptable
[00:13] <Rideh> is there a way i can provide the hostnames in a differnt manner than using a script on the client machine?
[00:13] <ogra> as i said fiddling :)
[00:13] <Rideh> yea
[00:13] <Rideh> i dont mind, i'm just trying to find the best solution
[00:14] <ogra> you could just deploy then via dhcp
[00:14] <Rideh> can you explain that?
[00:14] <ogra> but that indeed requires a big dhcpd.conf
[00:14] <Rideh> ah so i can do it all from within dchpd3?
[00:14] <ogra> dhcp3-server allows that you can declare hostnames in the dhcpd.conf
[00:14] <Rideh> ok i'll read into that i wasnt aware of that
[00:15] <ogra> and dhclient can use that to seed your hostname ...
[00:15] <ogra> another option would be to use dnsmasq
[00:15] <ogra> that uses a single config for dhcp, dns and tftp afaik
[00:16] <ogra> i have no experience with it though, bu  know many people in #ltsp that use it
[00:16] <ogra> *but
[00:16] <Rideh> 1 more question then. for educators ldap is kinda scary. What is the cleanest(simplest) way for them to add / modify entries in openldap?
[00:17] <Rideh> myphpldapadmin, webmin both seem kinda flaky. someone recommended apache directory
[00:17] <ogra> huh, i'm an ldap hater myself :)
[00:17] <Rideh> and i appreciate all of your input
[00:17] <Rideh> how do you handle it then?
[00:17] <ogra> best to ask in #ubuntu-server
[00:17] <ogra> there are some ldap experts
[00:17] <ogra> i dont touch it :)
[00:17] <Rideh> yea i've been hanging out in #openldap also
[00:18] <Rideh> how do you handle users? NIS? or jus tstick to the ltsp?
[00:18] <Rideh> *just stick
[00:18] <ogra> up to 100 users i'D rather rsync /etc/passwd and group between the machines than using ldap
[00:18] <ogra> no, NIS is simply insecure
[00:19] <ogra> rsync over ssh and multiple ltsp servers would be what i'd use
[00:20] <Rideh> yea i'm looking at a school looking at implementing edubuntu. they have k-12 and as they move up obviously their requirements change moving from a ltps -> individual workstation type environment I was hoping to give them a nice way to migrate their students all the way through
[00:20] <ogra> stgraber could likely give you some hints about big setups if he wouldnt be busy with iso tests for the release tomorrow :)
[00:20] <Rideh> but i suppose that could work too
[00:20] <Rideh> heheh
[00:20] <ogra> how many students ?
[00:21] <Rideh> enrollment right now is about 60 per grade
[00:21] <ogra> and how many grades ?
[00:21] <Rideh> 12
[00:21] <Rideh> so 750ish
[00:22] <Rideh> although that might increase if enrollment goes up
[00:22] <ogra> ok, that rather justifies ldap
[00:22] <Rideh> yea the more i muck with ldap the more i loathe it
[00:22] <stgraber> is that ltsp ? (sorry just saw ogra's hilight, haven't read the backlog)
[00:22] <Rideh> stgraber: its going to be a hybrid i think
[00:23] <ogra> stgraber, mixed setup
[00:23] <Rideh> it all depends on what the school desides to do
[00:23] <Rideh> i want to offer a few differnt solutions and help them pick the best for their environment
[00:23] <stgraber> hmm, ok. Then you won't only need LDAP but also some configuration management system
[00:24] <Rideh> stgraber: agreed
[00:24] <Rideh> what do you have in mind?
[00:25] <Rideh> i believe the lab setups are going to be somewhat easy.. 20-40 machines, 4 labs to start with. first 3 labs will be ltsp, last lab will be workstations.
[00:25] <Rideh> i'll have another server sitting somewhere to act as fileserver for the homes and ldap server for the whole shebang
[00:25] <stgraber> do you plan in-classroom installation, in-school or in-schooldistrict ?
[00:25] <stgraber> as in, where do you plan to put the servers ?
[00:26] <Rideh> school, 4 labs servers in a centralized locations
[00:26] <Rideh> *location
[00:26] <Rideh> although for the the ltsp, i might have each of thier server(s) within the computer lab itself
[00:27] <Rideh> i'm open to input on how to best approach this
[00:28] <Rideh> my boss is wanting us to use this project as an opportunity to get the formula together to then present to other environments. So the more flexible / open ended i can make it now will help out in the future
[00:28] <stgraber> does the school district already has an existing IT infrastructure (novell, microsoft, ...) that you'll need to integrate with ?
[00:28] <Rideh> Microsoft with AD
[00:28] <Rideh> currently each classroom has 1 pc for the teachers use that are windows
[00:28] <stgraber> ok, so you don't need a LDAP server, you need to integrate with the AD
[00:28] <Rideh> if this lab works out well, we could very well look at replacing their entire infrastructure
[00:28] <ogra> poor teachers
[00:29] <ogra> and the kids get sexy linux ?
[00:29] <ogra> heh
[00:29] <stgraber> ogra: most of the schools we manage are Novell-based, believe me, I'd like to see some AD :)
[00:29] <Rideh> yea i've worked with novell in a prior school mixed with appletalk
[00:29] <Rideh> that sucked
[00:29] <ogra> stgraber, but leaving the teachers with windows while the students have the advanced tech is mean
[00:29] <ogra> ;)
[00:30] <Rideh> well the way this project is starting is they want to see it work.  which means first bit is a single lab
[00:30] <stgraber> ogra: a school district we half-manage (we do the server side) does the same but they have iTalc on the Windows computers and in the end the teachers spend a good part of their time using Linux, just not theirs :)
[00:30] <Rideh> we go in, get one lab setup and working they test it out work the kinks out then deploy further labs. once it goes that far hopefully we can look at reworking the whole infrastructure
[00:30] <ogra> hehe
[00:31] <stgraber> Rideh: btw, where is that ?
[00:31] <Rideh> a private school in indianapolis
[00:31] <Rideh> i cant give away more details :P
[00:31] <stgraber> oh, do you know inAccess and the one-to-one program then ? :)
[00:31] <Rideh> um. i'm not familiar with that myself
[00:32] <Rideh> are you in indy too?
[00:32] <stgraber> no, but our biggest US customer is in Indiana
[00:33] <Rideh> oh nice, yea i see the indiana open-source experiment
[00:34] <Rideh> biggest linux rollout in K-12  history
[00:34] <Rideh> interesting
[00:34] <stgraber> yep, I'm working a bit with MCAS (Michigan City), they are doing Linux one-to-one classrooms (Ubuntu based) with desktop computers and may go with some thin clients soon (can't say much more)
[00:35] <Rideh> sure i understand
[00:35] <Rideh> where are you based?
[00:35] <stgraber> Quebec, Canada
[00:36] <stgraber> We are developping ltsp-cluster and doing infrastructure design/implementation mainly for school districts in Canada and in the US
[00:37] <Rideh> thats great
[00:39] <Rideh> so the ltsp cluster, your doing the model of one ltsp server with supplimental client host servers?  or something differnt
[00:40] <LaserJock> rockstar: around?
[00:40] <stgraber> ltsp-cluster is load-balanced LTSP, so we have multiple application servers
[00:40] <stgraber> so when a client boots, it gets its configuration from a central place, then is given an application server
[00:41] <stgraber> the configuration on the application server is synced, so we can reinstall a server or add one in less than an hour
[00:41] <Rideh> stgraber: sure, ok i used the wrong terminology.
[00:41] <stgraber> if a server goes down, it's simply removed from the pool
[00:41] <Rideh> what happens if the primary server goes down?
[00:41] <stgraber> we don't have a primary server
[00:41] <stgraber> the load-balancer, the control center and the boot server can be put on high availability
[00:42] <stgraber> so we can run two of all of them and switching to the backup one if something breaks
[00:43] <stgraber> only point of failure at the moment is the authentication/data storage that often we don't manage ourself (using AD/Novell and some SAN (Novell or similar))
[00:43] <Rideh> gotcha
[00:43] <stgraber> what happens if ldap or the SAN goes down is switching all the clients to autologin mode
[00:43] <stgraber> so they don't have their user session but can still surf the internet and use the thin client as normal
[00:44] <Rideh> that is definatly not a built in configuration out of the box ;)
[00:45] <stgraber> well, we have a demonstration server that has everything setup in one box, of course load balancing and high availability don't quite work in that case :)
[00:45] <Rideh> how do you make the boot server high avail?
[00:45] <ogra> wait a while, it might become one :)
[00:45] <stgraber> but the box can handle 40-50 thin clients
[00:46] <stgraber> we have two boxes running: DHCP, TFTP and NBD (well, NFS at the moment but we are moving to NBD)
[00:46] <stgraber> we let DHCP handle the sync for the DHCP part (it does that quite well) and for the other services we either simply rsync or using drbd (we try to avoid that :))
[00:47] <Rideh> in that environment can a teacher still control all the pc's in a particular lab and view the desktops and all even if its initially off a differnt boot server (i'm assuming yes because once it goes to a session server its the same as anything else)
[00:47] <stgraber> yes
[00:47] <ogra> italc doesnt care about the server
[00:48] <Rideh> how does italc know what machines are within its control?
[00:48] <stgraber> the control center tracks who is connected where, the teacher can then start iTalc, it'll retrieve the list of all computers in the classroom and let the teacher control them
[00:48] <ogra> avahi ... IPs
[00:48] <Rideh> and it can run from any client as long as the user has proper permissions?
[00:48] <stgraber> ogra: nope, we don't use avahi for big deployments. We just interogate our servers :)
[00:48] <stgraber> Rideh: yes
[00:48] <ogra> ah
[00:48] <Rideh> this is really good info thanks btw
[00:49] <stgraber> ogra: avahi doesn't work well in all cases as it uses broadcast. works well for small setup though
[00:49] <ogra> yeah, i can imagine
[00:49] <Rideh> so how do you move control center to its own machine?
[00:49] <Rideh> and what services is it actually providing?
[00:50] <stgraber> our control center tracks all the thin clients, it knows when they are booting and when a session is opened (and who's connected on it). It also provides an easy way of creating custom lts.conf for thin clients
[00:50] <Rideh> is this a proprietary piece of software you've created?
[00:50] <stgraber> so you can set part of your network as autologin, another part as RDP on a Windows terminal server and another as standard thin clients
[00:51] <stgraber> Rideh: nope, all is opensource
[00:51] <Rideh> well i guess i should get cracking on my thinclient setup so i can start learning all of this first hand
[00:52] <Rideh> i just my workstation model almost done.   its a lot to absorb
[00:53] <stgraber> (of course my company sells support for that, providing custom developments, setting up the network, teaching the sysadmins and doing the major upgrades)
[00:53] <stgraber> our current development focus is on local applications, we now have skype, firefox, blender and some other multimedia sofwares running as local applications on powerful thin clients
[00:53] <stgraber> and we are also developping NX access to the servers
[00:54] <stgraber> so a student gets access to the same environment when he's back at home
[00:54] <stgraber> (connecting to the same application servers and using the same load balanced setup)
[00:54] <Rideh> nice, if you dont mind i'd like to get your contact information
[00:54] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[00:54] <Rideh> this project might at some point get out of scope for me and i'll need to bring in big guns
[00:54] <ogra> LaserJock, hey
[00:55] <LaserJock> ogra: how's it going?
[00:55] <ogra> massively tired
[00:55] <LaserJock> I bet
[00:55] <ogra> but i still have one umpc image test ahead
[00:55] <ogra> LaserJock, and you ?
[00:56] <LaserJock> ogra: tired, busy, the usual
[00:56] <ogra> yeah
[01:03] <Rideh> Thanks Ogra & stgraber   i'm heading out for the night
[01:03] <stgraber> np, see you
[01:03] <ogra> ciao
[01:23] <Eeyore-Jr> k, last set of questions.  does ltsp allow pluggin in usb devices, use of zip drives, floppy drives, etc.
[01:24] <stgraber> usb devices yes (mass storage, printer and scanner (soon)), zip I think so but never tried, floppy I haven't tested for a while but it should too
[01:25] <Eeyore-Jr> neat, scanner support is a good thing for me.  is there a way to "network" a printer from a thin client?
[01:25] <Eeyore-Jr> my space is limited
[01:26] <Eeyore-Jr> printer attached to a thin client
[01:26] <stgraber> yes, we have jetpipe for that
[01:27]  * Eeyore-Jr will be glad when week is done
[01:28]  * ogra too
[01:28] <Eeyore-Jr> are linksys switches better or hp ?
[01:49] <Eeyore-Jr> i was talking to someone using opengeu.  it appears i can sudo aptitude that desktop.  i assume this will work for ltsp.  e is much light weight for a desktop and may help me use "older" machines
[01:50] <Eeyore-Jr> wow, xubuntu alternate just crashed in the vbox vm
[01:50] <Eeyore-Jr> won't install
[01:51] <Eeyore-Jr> can we run skype?
[09:13] <komp15> hi all
[09:13] <komp15> i'm from indonesia
[09:13] <komp15> use edubutu since 2006th
[11:05] <highvoltage> hu RichEd- and ogra
[11:05] <highvoltage> hi, even
[11:06] <ogra> ho
[11:06] <ogra> he ?
[11:06] <highvoltage> ha
[11:06] <highvoltage> anything that needs to be done for edubuntu regarding release anouncement?
[11:07] <highvoltage> there's no panic anywhere, so I just assume everything is under control :)
[11:08]  * ogra didnt do anything this cycle with edubuntu
[11:08] <ogra> so i cant say much
[11:09] <ogra> but since there is a CD it would likely be good to have some kind of referrer to it ... though the contents of such a message lie in RichEd-'s hands
[11:09] <highvoltage> ok, so if someone asks, there's basically an updated version of the edu stuff on the add-on cd?
[11:09] <ogra> i know Nubae is actively doing stuff on the download page atm
[11:09] <RichEd-> hi highvoltage ...
[11:09] <highvoltage> ok cool
[11:10] <ogra> right, though i dont know what LaserJock changed wrt CD content
[11:10] <ogra> he cared for seeds and metapackages
[11:11] <RichEd-> we'll just refer to the general Ubuntu release ... can you just draft a little news link for 8.10 and point to the main release ?
[11:11] <RichEd-> ogra: regarding the [1] CD iso and location and [2] how to install (i.e. start with Ubuntu) ... can you send me the rough text info ?
[11:12] <ogra> err, its the same as the releases before ?
[11:12] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassromServer
[11:12] <ogra> err
[11:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer
[11:13] <ogra> for workstation you just leave out the ltsp bits
[11:13] <RichEd-> email or /msg
[11:13] <RichEd-> i'll format it neatly for www.ubuntu.com and highvoltage can take my text and duplicate it on edubuntu.org
[11:13] <highvoltage> or Nubae even
[11:13] <ogra> right, just take that text
[11:13] <stgraber> hey RichEd-
[11:13] <ogra> i have to care for two other announcements for mobile
[11:14] <stgraber> only changes from my side is better, more stable and avahi-aware iTalc
[13:25] <sbalneav> Morning all
[13:42] <highvoltage> morning uncle scott
[14:09] <Nubae> RichEd: u there?
[14:25]  * RichEd waves to Nubae from the Bottom of Africa
[14:28] <Nubae> hi RichEd :-) I've prepared the main download page for 8.10, are the release notes available yet?
[14:31] <Nubae> there's also a bit of confusion on the older hardy page, which shows hardy being supported for 18 months (which ogra explained to me is due to the addon-cd component) Further down, though there is still a link for dapper drake (supported till 2009)
[14:32] <Nubae> So either dapper isn't really supported (edubuntu that is) anymore, or we have to say hardy is supported until 2011
[14:32] <Nubae> whacha think?
[14:35] <ogra> dapper edubuntu *was* LTS
[14:35] <ogra> hardy wasnt
[14:37] <Nubae> oh
[14:39] <Nubae> that causes a bit of weirdness then, because on the new download page, I have dapper as a supported previous LTS, but not 8.04
[14:41] <ogra> well, you could probably drop dapper and just ignore it for its last 6 months
[14:42] <Nubae> and not mention 8.04 either?
[14:43] <ogra> mention 8.04 indeed
[14:43] <Nubae> ok, cool thanks
[14:51] <RichEd> Nubae: the release notes will point to Ubuntu release notes ...
[14:57] <Nubae> ah ok
[15:04] <Nubae> RichEd: how about the release notes on the top of the main page and the get your 8.04.1 here?
[15:42] <pips1> Nubae: thanks again for helping out... sorry I don't have time. :-( I now need to go to collect my son from day care... all the best, cu!
[15:42] <pips1> RichEd: good luck with getting everything out the door!
[15:42] <Nubae> pips1: no problem, just one quick question
[15:42] <pips1> Have a nice release day!! :-)
[15:42] <pips1> shoot
[15:42] <Nubae> release anouncement on top, is a graphic
[15:42] <pips1> yes
[15:42] <Nubae> should I make a new one?
[15:43] <pips1> I created a new one, but unfortunately, it won't show... I'm at a loss of why it doesn't show. :-/
[15:43] <Nubae> so u edited top banner?
[15:44] <pips1> also, I have migrated to a new laptop and I forgot to take my gpg personal key with me.. the consequence is now that I can't logon to the server via ssh to check the filesystem permissions for that image
[15:44] <Nubae> banner-right-release.jpg - thats the image? did u just overwrite it or put in a new link?
[15:44] <Nubae> ahh
[15:44] <Nubae> can u upload with a different name?
[15:44] <Nubae> and we can link to that insteaed?
[15:44] <pips1> no, I uploaded a new image to a "dummy" node and tried linking to that one instead but no go
[15:45] <Nubae> well, dont worry I'll do my best to get it working
[15:48] <RichEd> pips1: thanks
[15:48] <RichEd> Nubae: I'm back ...
[15:50] <Nubae> RichEd: ok cool...
[15:54] <pips1> good luck guys, got to run..
[16:59] <Nubae> right edubuntu site updated... hope it's ok...
[17:44] <RichEd> Nubae: thanks ... I've just fnished the www.ubuntu,com pages
[17:48] <Nubae> wasnt too much to do on edubuntu.org :-)
[17:49] <RichEd> https://www.ubuntu.com/education
[17:50] <RichEd> see what you think
[17:50]  * RichEd has to go offline now ... will try to pop back in later
[17:50] <Nubae> bye RichEd
[18:12] <Mip5> Hi folks - I just installed ltsp on a server
[18:13] <Mip5> and booted my first client - it appeared to work, but hang with a blinking cursor in the uppper left hand corner of the screen
[18:14] <Nubae> sounds like a graphics problem on the client, what graphics card u using?
[18:15] <Mip5> tail -f /var/log/syslog shows:
[18:15] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:22 unionltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:31:cb:0b:92 via eth1
[18:15] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:23 unionltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:17:31:cb:0b:92 via eth1
[18:15] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:24 unionltsp dhcpd: Wrote 1 leases to leases file.
[18:16] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:24 unionltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) from 00:17:31:cb:0b:92 via eth1
[18:16] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:24 unionltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:17:31:cb:0b:92 via eth1
[18:16] <Mip5> Oct 30 12:04:25 unionltsp in.tftpd[15942]: tftp: client does not accept options
[18:17] <Mip5> It's actually a pretty decent machine - boots the live cd fine, and runs ubuntu hardy (fine) when not testing the pxe boot offered by ltsp - let me check on the graphics card
[18:26] <Lns> Mip5: you need to look at the xorg logs on the TC
[18:26] <Eeyore-Jr> should i be running in 64bit mode for ltsp server ?
[18:27] <Lns> Mip5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting
[18:27] <LaserJock> so it looks like maybe we should get a discussion on edubuntu.org going (epic FAIL on my part as I didn't send out an email)
[18:27] <Lns> Eeyore-Jr: you can, there are some issues with running Adobe Flash and a couple other things though
[18:27] <Eeyore-Jr> Nubae: i downloaded your script for fat clients, but was unsure how to tell the server which client was fat?  i assume by mac address, what file needs to be modified for this?
[18:28] <Nubae> take a look at the entry in wiki.nubae.com
[18:28] <Eeyore-Jr> Lns, guess i'll stick to 32 bit mode then
[18:28] <Nubae> oops, www.nubae.com
[18:28] <LaserJock> Nubae and Lns: you going to make the IRC meeting next week?
[18:28] <Nubae> LaserJock: I guess so
[18:28] <Eeyore-Jr> i'd like to make the meeting, however, i'll be on vacation :)
[18:28] <Lns> LaserJock: it's in my sunbird, yes =)
[18:29] <LaserJock> Nubae: I noticed you at least got us somewhat updated for 8.10, thanks
[18:29] <Nubae> heh, Im working on it still, but yeah the release notes and download pages have been updated
[18:29] <LaserJock> the new download page I was shooting for didn't land so we're apparently on our own there
[18:29] <Nubae> new download page?
[18:30] <LaserJock> Nubae: I was working on getting us an ubuntu.com style download page
[18:30] <Nubae> oh yeah that would be nice...
[18:31] <LaserJock> for Jaunty I guess
[18:31] <LaserJock> or maybe we can get it set up for Intrepid later on
[18:31] <Eeyore-Jr>        host fatclient1 {
[18:31] <Eeyore-Jr>                 hardware ethernet  the:thin:client:mac:add:ress;
[18:31] <Eeyore-Jr>                 fixed-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[18:31] <Eeyore-Jr>                 }
[18:31] <LaserJock> but the current download page really needs to go
[18:31] <LaserJock> it's just way too much info to throw at people
[18:31] <Eeyore-Jr> so, i'd assume that putting the mac address into the "thin client mac address" will make it a fat client
[18:32] <Nubae> Eeyore-Jr: right
[18:32] <Eeyore-Jr> thx.  now i just need the last piece of the puzzle to make it all work
[18:32] <Eeyore-Jr> which is stgraber's conf
[18:33] <Nubae> LaserJock: we discuss that at the irc meeting or do u think I should edit that now?
[18:33] <LaserJock> well, it might need some discussion
[18:34] <Nubae> k
[18:35] <rockstar> LaserJock, you were looking for me last night?
[18:35] <Mip5> Forgive me - I'm not sure how to post this continuation to the previous thread about the graphics card on my thin client. It's an ASUS M2NPV-VM  mobo - nVidia’s GeForce 6150
[18:35] <LaserJock> rockstar: yeah, just wanted to say hi really
[18:36] <rockstar> LaserJock, oh, hi.  :)
[18:36] <LaserJock> rockstar: noticed you joined edubuntu-bugsquad and via identi.ca noticed you're wanting to get involved with MOTU some
[18:37] <rockstar> LaserJock, yeah, my mom thought it would be a good idea to schedule a meeting with my former superintendent about using open source stuff.  I got an email about it last night.
[18:37] <rockstar> So I guess I'm meeting with him, thought it was as good a time as any to take another swing at MOTU.
[18:37] <LaserJock> excellent
[18:37] <rockstar> Unfortunately, I've been in London the last two weeks, so I'm constantly tired, and rather busy during the day.
[18:38] <rockstar> The good news is that I don't really need to learn to use Launchpad...
[18:38] <LaserJock> if you need anything let me know, I've been a MOTU for a while now and know a few tricks of the trade ;-)
[18:39] <Mip5> LNS - I'll follow the link and take a look at the logs and see what I see. Thanks for the help!
[18:41] <Lns> Mip5: no prob. =)
[18:41] <Eeyore-Jr> Mip5: i'm having the same problem with the same mobo graphics chip
[19:19] <Mip5> LNS - there's still no login prompt. Machine is still hanging. BTW - Should nbd-server be running (I would think so, but it appears not to be). Also, there's no config in /etc/nbd-server/
[19:23] <Nubae> did u get ltsp-server-standalone or ltsp-server?
[19:24] <Mip5> ltsp-server - I think.
[19:24] <Mip5> I booted from the alternate cd, hit F4 and selected ltsp server
[19:25] <ogra> Nubae, when was the meeting ?
[19:25] <Nubae> let me double check
[19:25] <ogra> hmm. the ltsp triage day can go as well i guess
[19:25] <ogra> pfft, feel free :)
[19:29] <LaserJock> ogra: the meeting is the 5th at 18:00 UTC
[19:34] <Mip5> Well - I still can't log into the TC, would the logs in the chrooted environment be useful?
[19:35] <Mip5> Selecting previously deselected package base-files.
[19:35] <Mip5> (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.)
[19:35] <Mip5> Unpacking base-files (from .../base-files_4.0.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb) ...
[19:35] <Mip5> Selecting previously deselected package base-passwd.
[19:35] <Mip5> Unpacking base-passwd (from .../base-passwd_3.5.16_i386.deb) ...
[19:36] <Mip5> dpkg: base-passwd: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request:
[19:36] <Mip5>  base-passwd depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1); however:
[19:36] <ogra> Mip5, what kind of machine is the server =
[19:36] <Mip5>   Package libc6 is not installed.
[19:36] <ogra> ?
[19:36] <Mip5> It's a dual cpu xeon (3.0 Ghz) w/ 4gb ram. I've run the install using RAID 1 on scsi disks
[19:37] <ogra> (you should use update-manager for such stuff, it sets the necessary switches if any are needed)
[19:37] <Mip5> That is how I updated it
[19:37] <ogra> libc6 is definately installed, is that an upgraded machine ?
[19:37] <ogra> or a fresh install
[19:38] <Mip5> Fresh install as of this morning - 8.04.1 alternate - F4 ltsp option
[19:38] <ogra> ah, i thought intrepid (it released today)
[19:38] <ogra> was wondering about the old libc6 version :)
[19:39] <Mip5> Sorry - I wanted to go for the long term support -
[19:39] <ogra> that looks like you might not have all security updates there yet
[19:39] <Mip5> Strange - I thought I got all the updates after the install - let me look again
[19:39] <ogra> but anyway, for your graphics card prob, create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[19:40] <ogra> add the following two lines:
[19:40] <ogra> [default]
[19:40] <ogra> XSERVER=vesa
[19:40] <ogra> and see if that gets you to the graphical login
[19:51] <Mip5> looking at the messages as they scroll by, the machine stops with eth0 down - though the link light is on and blinking
[19:57] <Mip5> So - the TC client messages stop at eth0 link down - I'm not sure why that's happening during the bootup pocess.
[19:58] <Nubae>  The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June. <--- lol
[20:10] <Mip5> a little while back - I said that I had run the updates - I got the message to do from the desktop after the install. I just looked at my sources.list and saw that only the cd was enabled (the install didn't prompt me for it)
[20:12] <Nubae> disable the cd and enable universe, and multiverse
[20:12] <Nubae> then apt-get update and upgrade and see if that makes a difference
[20:14] <Mip5> cool - I wasn't sure which sources were the best. I'll do that.
[20:20] <Nubae> LaserJock: u still there?
[20:22] <Mip5> are these the only ones I need then:
[20:22] <Mip5> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main
[20:22] <Mip5> deb http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ hardy universe multiverse
[20:25] <Nubae> you need main, universe and multiverse in both hardy and hardy-security, and hardy-updates and hardy-backports wouldn't be bad either
[20:26] <Mip5> Sorry - I'm really a dope! I was looking at the chrooted sources.list, not the real ones. The real ones were in there.
[20:30] <Mip5> All of those are in there (except backports), and running aptitude and then update shows no new updates. I'll add the backports.
[20:33] <ogra> try the Software preferences from the menu instead of hacking around in your sources.list
[20:33] <ogra> its just some checkboxes ... no need to care for more
[20:34] <Mip5> Good idea - I'll do that.
[20:34] <ogra> it makes sense to copy your sources.list over if its proper on the server sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
[20:35] <ogra> then run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
[20:37] <Nubae> yeah bad habits die hard... I think I'm still scared of the update manager
[20:38] <ogra> right, but if you have an empty sources.list thats the eaiest way to recover the entries ;)
[20:39] <Nubae> don't u think there should be an edubuntu.org page with a download of the logo and other artwork?
[20:39] <ogra> i think thats on the ubuntu wiki already
[20:39] <ogra> "do your own marketing" or some such
[20:43] <Nubae> is wiki.edubuntu.org linked to wiki.ubuntu.org somehow?
[20:43] <Nubae> ah it is... never mind
[20:47] <ogra> its the same wiki
[20:50] <Nubae> one last question... since ltsp-server in 8.04 is in the base, its supported for 36 months?
[20:57] <ogra> yep
[20:57] <ogra> ltsp != edubuntu :)
[20:57] <Nubae> ok
[20:57] <ogra> thats the main reason it was moved to the ubuntu CD
[20:58] <ogra> to show its support state
[20:58] <Nubae> but is classroom server edubuntu? :p
[20:58] <ogra> the edubuntu apps are, yes
[20:58] <ogra> the ubuntu below no
[20:58] <Nubae> ok, think I've reflected it correctly now, basically added explanation of which parts are supported for how long
[20:59] <Mip5> Sorry gang - I've (sadly) been pulled away from this task by downed network in another building. I'll have to get to back to this tomorrow
[20:59] <ogra> we're here
[21:00] <Mip5> I did cp the sources.list from the good copy to the chrooted environment, and am updating it inside that environment
[21:02] <Trailbrain> I'm trying to upgrade to 8.10....  It doesn't find the right files on the update manager....  What do I need to do?
[21:04] <Trailbrain> Does the 8.10 update apply to edubuntu?
[21:04] <Nubae> Trailbrain: yes
[21:05] <Nubae> although most files will be the ubuntu base, with the educational parts being edubuntu
[21:05] <Trailbrain> Ok, then how come it's not finding the updates?
[21:05] <Trailbrain> Am I broken?
[21:05] <Trailbrain> sys-admin-update manager
[21:06] <Nubae> you've gotu did a dist-upgrade?
[21:06] <Trailbrain> Doesn't update manager work on this sort of thing?  I'm downloading the ISO, but would rather not have to burn another disk
[21:06] <Nubae> I'm not too familiar with the guis, I upgraded from the command line
[21:06] <Trailbrain> That's cool--how?
[21:07] <Nubae> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:07] <Trailbrain> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:08] <Trailbrain> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:08] <Trailbrain> ummmm......
[21:08] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[21:08] <ogra> have you read that ?
[21:08] <ogra> *DONT* use dist-upgrade
[21:09] <Nubae> oh :-)
[21:09] <Trailbrain> Nope.  My google searches don't usually find me the right stuff--so I come here where the smart people are
[21:09] <ogra> its untested and very likely to break ...
[21:09] <Nubae> heh, worked for me though
[21:09] <Nubae> :p
[21:09] <ogra> Nubae, right and you keep all the old cruft
[21:10] <ogra> really, use update-manager .... its the only path that gets tested
[21:10] <Nubae> ogra: I see u did the screenies for classroomserver howto... we need to update those to intrepid screenies...
[21:10] <Nubae> want me to do it?
[21:10] <ogra> did that change so much ?
[21:10] <Trailbrain> Yahoo!   It worked
[21:10] <Trailbrain> Downloading--thanks!
[21:11]  * ogra doesnt use the default theme since a while anymore
[21:11] <Trailbrain> See this is where the smart people are
[21:11] <ogra> apart from the wallpaper it shouldnt make much difference
[21:11] <ogra> but if you feel like, replace them :)
[21:11] <Nubae> true, was just for accuracy sake
[21:13]  * HedgeMage peeks in
[21:13] <HedgeMage> I'm amazed at how few people are downloading from the ubuntu torrent right now... the xubuntu one is *busy*
[21:14] <Nubae> xubuntu users are smarter
[21:14] <Nubae> they know torrents exist
[21:14] <Nubae> :p
[21:14] <HedgeMage> lol
[21:16] <HedgeMage> It took me less than 10 minutes to download the xubuntu ISO... the ubuntu one is going on 45 minutes.
[21:16] <HedgeMage> For a long while, I was the only one on the ubuntu torrent... now it's up to all of 7 peers
[21:17] <Nubae> ah I'll join in then... 7 is allright :p
[21:17] <HedgeMage> heh
[21:17] <HedgeMage> just me was kind of pathetic -- I was downloading so slowly because I wasn't uploading, but there was no one to upload to!
[21:21] <HedgeMage> Nubae: I do think the torrent option should be more prominent on the download page -- I'm willing to bet that few people notice it.
[21:22] <Nubae> yeah agree
[21:28] <Mip5> The updates are trickling in....
[21:33] <Mip5> I'll rebuild the client after the updates continue.
[22:08] <Nubae> 50 connects now for alternate server via torrents
[22:09] <HedgeMage> Nubae: nice.
[22:12] <Nubae> yeah and now the edubuntu site is totally down... how am I supposed to edit pages like this?
[22:12] <LaserJock> Nubae: I'm here now
[22:12] <LaserJock> Nubae: I had a lab to teach
[22:13] <HedgeMage> Nubae: I'm still seeding ubuntu and xubuntu desktop since I finished, and ubuntu only has about 17, still better than earlier.  Xubuntu has more.
[22:13] <Nubae> yeah alternate ubuntu has 50
[22:14] <Nubae> so it has to do with smarter ubuntu users knowing torrents exist
[22:14] <HedgeMage> heh
[22:15] <LaserJock> Nubae: did you make any changes to the download page?
[22:16] <Nubae> yeah, changed so that it would be in line with 8.10, but Im working on getting started
[22:16] <Nubae> that was set to 6.06 still
[22:17] <LaserJock> Nubae: ok, so I think we need to really shorten the download page
[22:17] <Nubae> LaserJock: I cant remember what I wanted to ask... oh yeah, at this meeting, I saw there was a mention of sugar being discussed... perhaps sugar on ltsp should also be discussed
[22:17] <LaserJock> and just deal with 8.04 and 8.10
[22:18] <LaserJock> yeah, we can talk about that
[22:22] <Nubae> Sugar on LTSP and Fat Client LTSP
[22:23] <LaserJock> Nubae: we need like a site map for edubuntu.org
[22:24] <LaserJock> so we can look at what pages we have, prioritize them, and figure out what needs to get updated, etc.
[22:25] <Nubae> yeah, its difficult to see from the main page what exists
[22:25] <Nubae> but there are indeed links going everywhere
[22:26] <LaserJock> yeah, we need to stop that :-)
[22:26] <LaserJock> I think if we had a system to deal with versions
[22:26] <Nubae> yep, but the way its being done on upgrade is to make new pages, and then change the old alias url nodes to the new pages
[22:27] <Nubae> so we need to clean house I guess
[22:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[22:27] <LaserJock> we need to also figure out the naming scheme
[22:27] <Nubae> heh, u mean the edubuntu vs ubuntu educational thing?
[22:27] <LaserJock> it's really bugging me that we have Edubuntu, Ubuntu Education, Educational Addon, Classroom Server, Ubuntu, etc.
[22:28] <LaserJock> it's *got* to be confusing to people just wanting to check it out
[22:28] <LaserJock> like on news/8.10-release
[22:29] <Nubae> it is
[22:29] <Nubae> I couldn't figure it out even while I was editting
[22:29] <LaserJock> there is "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.10 Released" then "About Ubuntu Education Edition" which basically says it's Edubuntu
[22:29] <LaserJock> then "About Edubuntu"
[22:29] <Nubae> either its Edubuntu or Ubuntu Education...
[22:30] <Nubae> ah there is also ubuntu.com/Education :-)
[22:30] <LaserJock> so I have to scroll an entire page just to get at "Get Ubuntu Education Edition"
[22:30] <LaserJock> but by that time I dont' know if I want Edubuntu or Ubuntu Education Edition or ...
[22:30] <Nubae> yeah totally with you
[22:31] <LaserJock> Nubae: not only that, on ubuntu.com/Education "Edubuntu" is not mentioned anywhere
[22:31] <LaserJock> but on the sidebar there is both "Edubuntu" and "Education"
[22:32] <Nubae> ok, so we get rid of edubuntu completely as a name?
[22:32] <LaserJock> I don't know, but we need to just pick one and move on
[22:32] <Nubae> the problem then is we have the edubuntu users and edubuntu developers and #edubuntu
[22:32] <LaserJock> well, not only that
[22:33] <LaserJock> we have edubuntu packages, and "Ubuntu Education Edition" is rather long to put in logo's etc.
[22:33] <LaserJock> we could call it UEE I guess
[22:33] <Nubae> hmmm indeed... and the logo
[22:34] <LaserJock> or ubuntu-ee
[22:34] <Nubae> to be honest, I dont really see the problem with edubuntu
[22:34] <Nubae> is there a reason for the re-branding?
[22:34] <LaserJock> well, sort of
[22:34] <LaserJock> I don't want to get into all of it
[22:35] <LaserJock> but Canonical wanted to create an Education brand that included not just Edubuntu
[22:35] <Nubae> hmmm I thought edubuntu was the education brand
[22:36] <LaserJock> the idea was that a school could be using plain Ubuntu on it's teacher desktops, Ubuntu Server on their mail/webserver and Ubuntu Education Edition for LTSP and teaching
[22:36] <LaserJock> but bottom line, you're using "Ubuntu", which is good for marketing
[22:36] <LaserJock> so my understanding of it was that "Ubuntu Education" was using Ubuntu in Education period
[22:36] <LaserJock> and Edubuntu was supposed to be a specific "product"
[22:37] <LaserJock> but it's really not clear to me
[22:37] <Nubae> ok gotcha, then edubuntu is the classroom server?
[22:37] <Nubae> or the addon cd?
[22:37] <Nubae> or both?
[22:37] <LaserJock> umm, good question
[22:37] <LaserJock> I don't know that anybody exactly knows
[22:37] <LaserJock> LTSP is on the Ubuntu disk
[22:37] <LaserJock> Edubuntu only produces the Addon CD
[22:37] <Nubae> well, maybe its just about making a decision
[22:38] <Nubae> well classroom server is like addon-cd + ubuntu alternate cd
[22:38] <LaserJock> so right now it's the "Ubuntu Education Edition Educational Addon CD produced by Edubuntu"
[22:38] <LaserJock> which is as confusing as can be to me
[22:38] <Nubae> maybe the addoncd should just be that...
[22:39] <Nubae> si then we have ubuntu educational add on cd
[22:39] <Nubae> but then edubuntu has to go
[22:39] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure why the addon CD just can't be either "Edubuntu" or "Ubuntu Education Edition"
[22:40] <LaserJock> I guess it's a holdover from when we had 2 CDs
[22:40] <Nubae> well ubuntu education edition is also classroom server, or not?
[22:40] <LaserJock> not sure exactly
[22:40] <LaserJock> here's how I think of it:
[22:40] <Nubae> I guess classroom server is easy to get rid off
[22:40] <Nubae> thats only used on 2 or 3 pages
[22:41] <Nubae> no logo
[22:41] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Desktop + Addon CD = Edubuntu
[22:41] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Alternate + Addon CD = Edubuntu Classroom Server
[22:41] <Nubae> except we call it LTSP Classroom server now
[22:41] <LaserJock> well
[22:42] <Nubae> but what u say makes sense
[22:42] <LaserJock> I would separate out LTSP from Classroom Server
[22:42] <LaserJock> but either way
[22:42] <Nubae> or seperate edubuntu from both and get rid of it
[22:42] <LaserJock> perhaps
[22:42] <LaserJock> getting rid of Edubuntu completely is complicated
[22:43] <LaserJock> *everything* is wrapped around "edubuntu"
[22:43] <LaserJock> not that we can't rename, it's just quite a bit of work
[22:44] <LaserJock> and it is an existing "brand"
[22:44] <Nubae> I see that, but right now the users are probably totally confused and its hurting more than helping
[22:44] <LaserJock> here's how I guess I would've handled the "marketing" if we want to keep both
[22:44] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Desktop + Edubuntu = Ubuntu Education Edition
[22:45] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Alternate + Edubuntu = LTSP Classroom Server
[22:45] <LaserJock> so we get rid of the "Educational Addon" bit
[22:45] <Nubae> ok, and edubuntu really refers to the add-on cd then
[22:45] <LaserJock> yeah
[22:45] <Nubae> ok thats good
[22:46] <Nubae> but that needs to be well defined
[22:46] <LaserJock> so the Edubuntu project really produces 1) contents of "Edubuntu" CD and 2) LTSP for Alternate CD
[22:47] <Nubae> so edubuntu project =! edubuntu =! ubuntu educational...
[22:47] <LaserJock> the one thing I don't like about it is that "Edubuntu" then becomes not a self-contained OS
[22:47] <LaserJock> right, that's the problem, IMO
[22:47] <LaserJock> I want 1 project, 1 product, 1 community
[22:47] <LaserJock> but I don't know how we do that with the current mix of branding
[22:47] <Nubae> its no longer a self contained os though, the split off from the cd was a mistake in my opinion from marketing/community, but made sense on a practical/support part
[22:47] <LaserJock> and being and addon CD
[22:48] <LaserJock> well, we could kinda be sneaky about it
[22:48] <Nubae> also the community seems split into 2 now, with most having migrated to #ltsp
[22:48] <LaserJock> on the download page would could link to the Ubuntu CD but call it like Edubuntu Base or something
[22:49] <LaserJock> though I doubt that would work out well because of the branding on the CD itself
[22:49] <Nubae> well, the addon-cd is not available unless u download it
[22:50] <LaserJock> what I was thinking is that you'd have 2 links
[22:50] <LaserJock> 1 would be "Edubuntu Base" which would just be the Ubuntu CD
[22:50] <LaserJock> and then the other would be the addon CD
[22:51] <Nubae> I like that, makes sense
[22:52] <LaserJock> or, what my original plan was to call it "Ubuntu" but have a *short* explanation
[22:52] <Nubae> I think u'll confuse less people calling it edubuntu with an explanation in brackets
[22:53] <Nubae> edubuntu (the ubuntu base)
[22:53] <Nubae> not accurate, but makes sense in context
[22:53] <LaserJock> "Edubuntu is built off of a base of Ubuntu. This allows us to deliver more educational software, but means you must first have an Ubuntu installation. For your convenience we have links to both CDs below."
[22:54] <Nubae> yeah nice
[22:54] <LaserJock> to me I think ^^ would work
[22:55] <LaserJock> we don't need to assume people are idiots, but we do need to explain in clear and concise language
[22:56] <Nubae> yep, looks good


[11:01] <ricotz> tjaalton, I decided to reinstall the system, the cpu didn't reclock properly, it might be some mess up of powertop
[11:29] <tjaalton> okay