[03:33] <robert_ancell> Can someone help get snapd-glib 1.13 out of the new queue (Zesty, Xenial). I'm trying to get a SRU moving (bug 1699005)
[03:34] <robert_ancell> That should say unapproved queue.
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[08:32] <mwhudson> oh wait i guess i don't need to upload things to yakkety really...
[08:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwupdate (xenial-proposed/main) [0.5-2ubuntu4 => 0.5-2ubuntu5] (core)
[08:44] <tjaalton> I've self-approved fwupdate after a16g fixed the package
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fwupdate [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.5-2ubuntu5]
[08:44] <tjaalton> rejected the previous one on friday
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[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> pretty please ^^ :)
[09:52] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, if that is new why is is a ~build1 ?
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> just accepted in debian, needed for agda
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to do some transition rebuilds without having to wait one day :)
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> it will autosync on 2 dinstall + 1 sync
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[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
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[10:36] <sil2100> jbicha: hey! I was looking into releasing LP: #1571816 to -updates, but I see Amr is asking for some verification from you - is it still good to go to xenial-updates ?
[10:54] <jbicha> sil2100: I reconfirmed the fix (it needs both the wine1.6 update and gnome-software 3.20.5 - SRU is still unapproved but available in a PPA) and commented on the bug
[13:10] <sil2100> jbicha: so does it make sense to accept the fix without the gnome-software part?
[13:11] <jbicha> yes please!
[13:11] <sil2100> jbicha: ok! I'll review the gnome-software SRU in a moment in the meantime
[13:11] <jbicha> thanks
[13:17] <alan_g> xnox: is unity-system-compositor needed in artful? (I was a bit surprised I needed to rebuild it for Mir release as I thought it was going.)
[13:19] <xnox> alan_g, most things have been demoted to universe; but not yet removed from the archive.
[13:19] <sil2100> jbicha: hm, the gnome-software that's in the xenial queue has a really huge diff as it rebases the package on a new version, with a lot of the changes rewritten as patches - I'd really prefer to have an 'new upstream version' SRU bug attached to that
[13:19] <sil2100> Ah, it was Robert who did the SRU
[13:19] <sil2100> Need to catch him somehow
[13:19] <alan_g> xnox: OK, thanks.
[13:47] <ahasenack> hi, could someone please accept my artful nomination for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1701073 ?
[13:48] <ahasenack> I think it should have been "samba (ubuntu)", but that task was incorrectly marked fix released I think and mdeslaur isn't here today to ask
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-1.6 [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.6.2-0ubuntu5~16.04.3]
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-openstackclient (xenial-proposed/main) [2.3.0-2 => 2.3.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipmi [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.4.11-1.1ubuntu4~0.16.04]
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipmi [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.4.11-1.1ubuntu4~0.17.04]
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipmi [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.4.11-1.1ubuntu4~0.16.10]
[14:56] <xnox> sil2100, horum the changelog is wrong.
[14:56] <xnox> well, no it isn't.
[14:56] <xnox> will be back.
[14:57] <sil2100> xnox: huh?
[14:57] <alan_g> xnox: follow-on question... qtmir-desktop is in artful/universe, but the build depends on libcgmanager-dev which isn't in artful. That makes it hard to NC rebuild for my Mir release. Any recommendations?
[15:00] <jbicha> will you still support qtmir in artful or should it be removed?
[15:00] <alan_g> I want it gone
[15:00] <alan_g> and USC too
[15:00] <xnox> alan_g, what you say makes no sense. let me double check.
[15:00] <xnox> alan_g, because src:qtmir had it's build-deps on cgmanager removed, before cgmanager was removed in artful.
[15:01] <xnox> alan_g, are you missing http://launchpadlibrarian.net/316830238/qtmir_0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu2_0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu3.diff.gz this upload?
[15:01] <alan_g> xnox: Oh! I must be picking up the wrong qtmir branch.
[15:01] <xnox> alan_g, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu3
[15:01] <xnox> alan_g, if you need a no change rebuild of qtmir, it is trivial to do so with direct uploads.
[15:02] <xnox> alan_g, do you need a transition tracker to track ABI rebuilds?
[15:02] <xnox> alan_g, things similar to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/ocaml.html ?
[15:02] <alan_g> xnox: actually, I oversimplified. There are trivial source changes.
[15:04] <alan_g> Let me find the correct branch
[15:06] <xnox> alan_g, if you need a nochange rebuild of qtmir, just ask, i can upload that in like 2 seconds.
[15:06] <xnox> sil2100, done. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1695546
[15:07] <alan_g> xnox: thanks, but I do need to change the code.
[15:15] <sil2100> xnox: thanks!
[15:26] <bdmurray> sil2100: You are an AA right?
[15:27] <sil2100> bdmurray: not an 'official' one, I can only use my AA powers on kernel SRUs
[15:30] <bdmurray> sil2100: Ah, okay
[15:30] <sil2100> Sadly...
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (xenial-proposed) [229-4ubuntu18]
[15:35] <ahasenack> hi, could someone please accept my artful nomination for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1701073 ?
[15:47] <rbasak> ahasenack: FWIW, nomination requests are meant to be in #ubuntu-bugs.
[15:47] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't follow why you need Artful nominated though, as it's Fix Released already?
[16:06] <teward> ahasenack: erm, you do know that 'artful' as a task would just make the parent package task say "Tracked in Artful", right?
[16:07] <teward> it's OK to not have an 'artful' task as long as you have the parent 'package' object of the bug marked accordingly (the "fix released" status there is already for artful)
[16:07] <teward> launchpad is weird that way :P
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: intel-microcode (xenial-proposed/restricted) [3.20151106.1 => 3.20170511.1~ubuntu16.04.0] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
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[16:56] <ahasenack> rbasak: <ahasenack> I think it should have been "samba (ubuntu)", but that task was incorrectly marked fix released I think and mdeslaur isn't here today to ask
[16:56] <ahasenack> or I just didn't find the artful upload in the bug comments
[17:04] <rbasak> ahasenack: if he isn't available I suggest reopening with a comment so it doesn't get lost. We can work out if we need the nomination when we know what's going on.
[17:04] <ahasenack> rbasak: the artful package definitely does not have the fix
[17:04] <ahasenack> I'll do that, thx
[17:05] <ahasenack> rbasak: done, please reject the nomination then
[19:00] <cjwatson> bdmurray,slangasek: so did you remember to file an RT to get python3-launchpadlib installed on germanium before switching ddeb-retriever to python3?  somewhat looks like not :)
[19:01] <cjwatson> (also given this it's OK to undo RT#104114, if you care)
[19:18] <slangasek> cjwatson: mmph, I evidently assumed it was already present
[19:18] <slangasek> or we had this conversation and I completely forgot
[19:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: RT filed and changes locally reverted for the moment
[19:31] <slangasek> (RT #104201)
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[20:58] <robert_ancell> Can I get some help to get snapd-glib out of the unapproved queue (xenial, zesty)? I'm trying to get a SRU moving (bug 1699005)
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[23:44] <slangasek> cjwatson, bdmurray, infinity: it looks as though ^C on 'apt-ftparchive clean' broke the cache on germanium because of course it did.  working on sorting that out, I imagine it will take a bit of time
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[18:21] <wwinttmrs> Hey!  xubuntu is very good! I ran into a problem, I updated the system, now the system started to freeze and not how it does not react! does anyone know what I need to fix?
[18:24] <diogenes_> wwinttmrs, try the previous kernel.
[18:28] <wwinttmrs> ok,i try it!


[03:37] <cyphermox> flocculant: I'd say for me, don't be afraid to ping me on IRC in any channel, I'll tell you if I'm otherwise busy
[03:37] <cyphermox> installer bugs are usually easy enough to handle by interruption.
[08:02] <infinity> tjaalton: Around?
[08:05] <Laney> infinity: I can do nusakan bits
[08:06] <infinity> Laney: Ta.  I already uncronned, I'm waiting for a publisher run or two to get a couple of packages in, then britney blocking, spinning candidates, and sleeping.
[08:06] <Laney> 'k
[08:06] <infinity> Laney: If yuo can take over from there, I'll be happy.
[08:06] <Laney> Is someone lined up to do the cat herding and release announcement?
[08:07] <infinity> Laney: Annoy wxl/flexiondotorg until one volunteers. :P
[08:07] <infinity> Laney: (or a kylin dude, if you want your announcement in Chinese)
[08:11] <Laney> ni hao
[08:14] <infinity> Or maybe flexiondotorg will spin his own before I get a chance to. :P
[08:14] <flexiondotorg> infinity, :-)
[08:15] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I was waiting a publisher run to get snapd in and then landing the britney block.
[08:15] <flexiondotorg> If Ubuntu MATE spins again, that is fine with me :-)
[08:15] <infinity> Actually, I guess I can block now.  It's migrating.
[08:17]  * infinity goes to watch some Futurama while that all settles down.
[08:54] <willcooke> infinity, Spoke to j_ibel last night and he's +1 on enabling the upgrade notifications now.  Is that something you take care of?
[08:54] <willcooke> If so, I have a blog post to push out in sync with that.
[08:56] <infinity> willcooke: More likely to happen during my day than right now, while I'm groggy and not sure I've crossed and dotted all the right letters.
[08:57] <willcooke> infinity, no problem at all.  Could you poke me when you're about to do it/have done it?
[08:57] <infinity> willcooke: I can try to remember.
[08:57]  * infinity writes a big note on his monitor.
[08:57] <willcooke> infinity, ta :)
[09:23] <tjaalton> infinity: officially on vacation
[09:23] <infinity> tjaalton: Oh.  Did we get any yay/nay test results on the dailies with HWE-X, so I can promote the world?
[09:24] <infinity> tjaalton: Also, I'd love a new video-all that resurrects all the drivers that were in main in HWE-{U,V,W}
[09:24] <infinity> tjaalton: But I suppose I can figure out how to do that myself if I have to.
[09:26] <tjaalton> infinity: i'll download daily and test
[09:26] <infinity> tjaalton: You're my hero.
[09:27] <infinity> willcooke: Can you get your team to grab the trusty daily and smoketest booting the live session on some random real hardware?
[09:27] <infinity> willcooke: Just to make sure the HWE-X stack appears mostly not FUBAR?
[09:27] <infinity> tjaalton / willcooke: I'll look forward to nick highlights in the morning from both of you. :)
[09:28] <willcooke> infinity, ack - will do
[09:29] <infinity> tjaalton: As for the driver resurrection, I can do that myself if you don't have the time.  Shouldn't be rocket science.
[09:31]  * infinity wanders off to fall into bed.
[09:31] <tjaalton> infinity: I'll test the image with virt-manager, will look into the metapackage too
[09:31] <willcooke> night infinity
[09:33] <infinity> tseliot: Erm, speaking of HWE-X.. Are we missing nvidia updates in trusty for the xenial HWE stack?
[09:34] <tseliot> infinity: why? Does nvidia fail to build?
[09:35] <tjaalton> nvidia has correct deps already
[09:35] <infinity> tseliot: No idea, I just noticed the lack of 361 in trusty.  But maybe it's not necessary?
[09:35] <infinity> tjaalton: Kay.
[09:35] <tjaalton> just needs that it supports the ideo abi
[09:35] <tjaalton> +v
[09:36] <tjaalton> and provides it
[09:36] <tseliot> infinity: yes, I think we'll skip that one in trusty
[09:36] <infinity> Right.  But since this is all about HWE, I figured maybe 361 supported more devices. :P
[09:36] <infinity> s/more/newer/
[09:36] <tseliot> I suppose HWE already uses newer drivers
[09:36] <infinity> Fine with skipping it, though, people with shiny new video cards can upgrade to xenial.
[09:37] <tseliot> I really need to get a new driver into Yakkety though...
[09:37] <tseliot> s/driver/nvidia driver/
[10:05] <balloons> can someone approve juju-core 2.0~beta12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> for xenial? It's not clear of what status it has in the queue, and I don't see it in proposed
[10:12] <tjaalton> infinity: yep, image looks good that it installs the right stuff at least
[10:24] <tjaalton> infinity: uploaded new xorg-lts-xenial that added the video drivers to -video-all for i386/amd64, guess that's enough
[10:32] <infinity> tjaalton: Seems to be a bit of a crufty upload.
[10:37] <infinity> tjaalton: Also, looks like most of those should be on powerpc too.
[12:17] <xnox> infinity, debdiff should really show file-permission changes, cause you know 3.0 format does encode them, and permissions-only diff really does break things =)
[12:17]  * xnox ponders where to file that.
[12:17] <xnox> it should be git formatted permissions change thing
[12:20] <cjwatson> xnox: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691250
[13:41] <willcooke> infinity, few rounds of testing on 3 different machines show no obvious new problems
[15:42] <bdmurray> infinity: What's the status on changing the meta-release file?  The masses are clamoring bug 1606850 among others.
[15:45] <teward> bdmurray: last i heard via pici, 28th (tomorrow) was when they were opening it
[15:45] <teward> i.e. release path opening delayed 7 days (and happens to coincide with 15.10 EOL)
[15:46] <jbicha> bdmurray: I think i_nfinity posted here that he was doing it after he wakes up
[15:51] <jbicha> but that's not exactly what he said either, so who knows? I guess it's already thurs in some places
[15:53] <teward> whenever it's opened up, i'm one of the ones in the upgrade queue.  I have a full image of my existing hard drive as a backup too, in case it fails (and I go back to 14.04 heh)
[15:55] <bdmurray> using -p with do-release-upgrade will do the same thing
[15:55] <bdmurray> the same thing as if the meta-release file was updated
[15:57] <teward> right, but i'm the one who waits for it to be opened - not in a rush to upgrade in case it breaks and destroys things on my computer
[18:44] <davmor2> infinity, bdmurray: I've marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1604441 as verified that is everything I need to do right?  Once this lands can we have new netboot images please :)
[19:33] <infinity> davmor2: You have new netboot images already.  Your wish is granted. :)
[19:36] <infinity> bdmurray: We're all good, except for confirming with IS that we won't break their network.
[19:36] <infinity> elmo: ^
[20:32] <cyphermox> infinity: it's not too late to break networks.
[21:11] <slashd> good afternoon arges, can you nominate LP: #1574342 that affects Xenial and Yakkety ?
[21:24] <apw> slashd, nominated
[21:40] <slashd> apw, tks
[23:28] <tsimonq2> infinity, Laney: I volunteered to do the release notes as my name is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseTaskSignup


[03:13] <jenda> What's wrong with devubuntu.com?
[03:20] <juliux> jenda, it is down;)
[03:21] <jenda> juliux: oh, I see!
[03:21] <jenda> ;)
[03:21] <juliux> jenda, i think there is no valid ipaddress in the nameserver record;)
[03:21] <juliux> dig devubuntu.com @yns2.yahoo.com
[03:21] <jenda> O_o
[03:22] <jenda> juliux: you know that I have no idea what you're talking about, right? ;)
[03:22] <juliux> there you can see the nameserver has no ip address
[03:22] <juliux> jenda, open a shell and type "dig devubuntu.com @yns2.yahoo.com"
[03:23] <juliux> jenda, then you can see an output like ;devubuntu.com.                 IN      A and normaly after the A comes the ipaddress for the server
[03:23] <juliux> ;)
[03:23] <jenda> hehe
[03:23] <jenda> juliux: could that mean that the domain name is expired?
[03:23] <juliux> jenda, no
[03:23] <jenda> s/name/registration/
[03:23] <jenda> ok
[03:24] <juliux> run "whois devubuntu.com" there you can see who owns the domain at the moment and when it expires
[03:24] <juliux> 2008-08-10 that is the expire date
[03:25] <jenda> ok :)
[03:25] <jenda> thanks for the education
[03:25] <juliux> np
[03:25] <juliux> you are welcome
[03:25] <juliux> now your creditcard numbers pls;)
[03:30] <jenda> haha
[03:30] <jenda> :)
[03:30] <jenda> nevah
[03:30] <juliux> ok then i will send you a reception;)
[03:31] <jenda> hehe
[07:06] <mrmonday> full circle meeting's just started if anyone wants to come :) ( #fullcirclemagazine )
[07:14] <jenda> mrmonday: I don't understand why the magazine is keeping such a distance between itself and Ubuntu.
[07:14] <mrmonday> what do you mean?
[07:14] <mrmonday> is it?
[07:19] <ryanakca> beuno: Ok. Dillema.
[07:19] <ryanakca> beuno: My mom's digital camera died.
[07:20] <ryanakca> aka, I can't take a closeup...
[07:23] <beuno> ryanakca: hey, oh...
[07:24] <beuno> well, it was very popular, so we should do it again
[07:24] <beuno> I cn give it a try  :D
[07:31] <ryanakca> beuno: *nods*
[07:31] <ryanakca> beuno: Umm. Shall I just try to 'steal' a full version off the www ?
[07:33] <beuno> ryanakca: could be too!  :p
[07:34] <ryanakca> there's http://www.pcpret.nl/weetjes/fotos/www9235.jpg ... but copyrighted and low quality.
[07:37] <beuno> ryanakca: wikipedia?
[07:42] <ryanakca> beuno: haven't found anything. I see a 166MHz... but not 200 mmx... is it permissible to include someone else's photograph, and say 'Image by foobar, 2007' ? http://komz.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sl27j.jpg as well
[07:43] <beuno> ryanakca: depends on the license
[07:51] <jenda> mrmonday: I mean, not having meetings in #ubuntu-meeting, for example.
[07:51] <mrmonday> there's no advantage to that
[07:52] <mrmonday> we have a bot that logs
[07:52] <mrmonday> and more people are there even if they don't realise if we have it in our channel
[07:52] <mrmonday> so can chip in anyway
[08:05] <ryanakca> beuno: And I have to leave for a couple hours. Worse comes to worse, for this week I'll give them a closeup of an icon :)
[08:05] <ryanakca> cheers
[08:06] <beuno> ryanakca: great, thanks!


[02:05] <evand> argh, wish I could say the same
[05:56] <evand> xivulon: Are you sure Wubi is working for you?  I've done several installations on two different copies of Windows XP and in all cases I end up with ntfs-3g causing a panic.
[05:57] <evand> mind you, I've done a chkdsk on the Windows partition and a fsck on the ext3 filesystem to no avail.
[05:58] <evand> I've removed the Wubi announcement for the time being.  I'd like to confirm that this problem is somehow isolated to my computer and that Wubi does in fact work in at least most cases.
[06:05] <btm> is there a preseed for sending a key for 'd-i mirror'? (not d-i apt-setup/local0)
[06:55] <evand> hrm, maybe it's just amd64
[07:35] <evand> ok, it definitely appears to be amd64 only
[07:54] <z5000man> ive got a problem with gutsy installation, can someone help me?
[07:59] <evand> z5000man: what's the problem?
[08:21] <cjwatson> btm: top tip, you need to stay for more than eight minutes
[08:21] <cjwatson> evand: still up? :)
[08:21] <evand> cjwatson: ja
[08:22] <evand> trying to figure out why amd64 hates wubi oh so much
[08:22] <evand> and all of the sudden
[08:22] <evand> though I imagine it has something to do with this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/ntfs-panic-1.png  :)
[08:23] <cjwatson> looks related :)
[08:23] <evand> heh
[09:40] <xivulon> as mentioned to evand, amd64 works for me on real iron
[09:40] <xivulon> didn' try vm
[09:41] <xivulon> cjwatson do you mean have to wait 8min for udevadm settle? I waited a few mins not sure how long. Will try later on today.
[09:41] <cjwatson> huh?
[09:42] <cjwatson> I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to btm, who asked a question, stayed in the channel for eight minutes, and then left
[09:42] <xivulon> xivulon2 with latest build I can only boot when I disable acpi AND usplash
[09:42] <xivulon> ah sorry
[09:42] <cjwatson> context is rather vital :)
[09:43] <xivulon> thought btm was some acronym... :P
[13:42] <xivulon> Next week I am going over Wubi translations and will try to generate a new pot file
[13:43] <xivulon> I would appreciate if native english speakers could review the text in wubi (and umenu)
[14:26] <evand> xivulon: will do
[14:28] <xivulon> evand there are a couple of minor issues in wubi/custom-installation/hooks/fauilure-command.sh
[14:28] <evand> oh?
[14:28] <xivulon> there is a typo in /var/log (/varl/log)
[14:29] <xivulon> also the msg does not mention the original error msg (or rather ubiquity should still display the error msg before running failure-command)
[14:29] <xivulon> anyway that is not urgent but basically there will be no log.zip file.
[14:30] <xivulon> it does not affect normal functionality of course
[14:30] <evand> ubiquity cannot display the error message before failure command
[14:31] <evand> as that requires user intervention
[14:31] <evand> and failure_command is for preseeding, which normally is used for unattended installs
[14:31] <xivulon> true
[14:32] <xivulon> at the moment I have a dialog that says: "Going to reboot, you'll find log.zip in c:\ubuntu" +/-
[14:32] <xivulon> as we discussed
[14:32] <evand> indeed, I ran into that one once during testing
[14:32] <z5000man> evand you still here
[14:32] <evand> but as you said, there's a typo and it produced no log
[14:32] <evand> z5000man: yes
[14:32] <z5000man> okay
[14:33] <z5000man> what happened was, i installed ispconfig got all the way through the installation
[14:33] <z5000man> and afterwards you have to reboot the server, right?
[14:33] <z5000man> well now it doesn't take my un and pw
[14:33] <z5000man> wont let me login
[14:34] <xivulon> was thinking about having the error msg a bit less generic, what about leaving the last error in /var/run/ubiquity-last-error or something like that?
[14:34] <xivulon> we can do that after alpha of course
[14:34] <evand> z5000man: this channel is for issues specific to the installation of Ubuntu itself, using the installer found on the desktop and alternate CDs.
[14:35] <evand> It sounds like your problem is with a specific software package, is that correct?
[14:35] <z5000man> i'm just asking as many sources as that of which will talk to me, this sucks.
[14:36] <evand> z5000man: my suggestion would be to look for help on the ispconfig community section.  It sounds like ISPConfig either changes your password or adds an authentication method to PAM that's required and is failing.  Of course, having never used this software, I cannot say for sure.
[14:37] <evand> I hope that helps you find proper assistance.  Good luck.
[14:39] <evand> xivulon: I'm not exactly thrilled about that idea.  You could just as quickly scrape the bottom off of syslog, but it would be just as ugly.
[14:39] <cjwatson> z5000man: you can also select recovery mode in the boot loader to recover your password (should be help about this on help.ubuntu.com somewhere)
[14:39] <xivulon> evand I agree
[14:40] <evand> I'm not sure the lack of a specific error message in the UI is a bad thing.  I imagine most users (and I can already see myself getting in trouble here) do not care what causes the install to fail, just that it does.  We're the ones that care about why, and the reasoning for that is always placed in the logs.
[14:40] <xivulon> what I am thinking about is the following case:
[14:41] <xivulon> say there is a previous installation detected (i.e. disk images with something in there)
[14:41] <xivulon> that will trigger a failure
[14:41] <xivulon> but what we really want here is just a warning
[14:41] <evand> ah, hrm.
[14:41] <evand> I see your point
[14:41] <xivulon> saying: "Hey you already have an installation, do remove that first please"
[14:42] <z5000man> it's a remote installation on my server hosted at layeredtech
[14:42] <xivulon> Saying "Error, see the log.zip" is not as helpful in such case
[14:42] <xivulon> basically when it is something the user can "fix" by himself we should have a warning
[14:43] <evand> z5000man: you have root access to a machine that they did not also provide you with ethernet KVM access to?  Odd.
[14:43] <evand> xivulon: right
[14:44] <evand> the easy way out would be to add another command line switch and kernel parameter, but we've been doing that a lot lately.  I cannot think of a better way to solve this, though.
[14:44] <evand> argh.
[14:45] <xivulon> we'll do after alpha, have a good rest firts
[14:45] <evand> heh
[14:50] <evand> xivulon: anyone reply to the amd64 testing requests?
[14:50] <xivulon> nope
[14:50] <xivulon> will ask on #ubuntu-devel...
[14:50] <evand> already did this morning
[14:58] <xivulon> evand http://www.thelittlerock.com/ubuntu/lastpage.jpg
[15:00] <evand> as always full logs would be helpful, as would knowing if C:\Windows\system32\config\software actually exists.
[15:00] <evand> oh, is this vista?
[15:01] <xivulon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4381566&postcount=8
[15:04] <evand> ma-search-users failing would not under normal circumstances cause the install to fail.  It should cause it to jump to the next OS in the list of possible migration targets or if there are none, skip past m-a.
[15:05] <xivulon> that's what I thought
[15:05] <xivulon> not sure what to make of that: http://www.thelittlerock.com/ubuntu/error.jpg
[15:05] <xivulon> mount -t ufs...
[15:05] <evand> it's os-prober
[15:06] <evand> it's trying to determine what operating system is on the partition
[15:06] <xivulon> Ah, I asked the user to fix failure-command.sh and post the zip file
[15:06] <evand> fantastic
[15:06] <xivulon> I will have to leave soon, can you monitor the thread/forum for any interesting bug reports?
[15:07] <evand> will do
[15:07] <CIA-44> debian-installer: cjwatson * r878 ubuntu/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
[15:07] <CIA-44> debian-installer: * Remove powerpc/cell subarchitecture altogether; support for these
[15:07] <CIA-44> debian-installer:  systems is now integrated into powerpc64.
[15:09] <CIA-44> debian-installer: cjwatson * r879 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/netboot/powerpc.cfg debian/changelog):
[15:09] <CIA-44> debian-installer: * Make ubuntu-modules mandatory on powerpc again; it was only made
[15:09] <CIA-44> debian-installer:  optional for cell.
[21:22] <CIA-44> oem-config: evand * r417 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/frontend/gtk_ui.py lib/zoommap.py): * Fix zoommap import, references to ubiquity (LP: #194491).


[00:54] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/libdrm-2.4.1/
[06:39] <tjaalton> bryce: yeah I didn't get to it yesterday
[06:48] <bryce> tjaalton: oh sorry, I thought you'd upped it to 2.3.1
[06:49] <bryce> anyway, maybe my work will have helped out a bit
[06:50] <tjaalton> intrepid has 2.3.1
[06:51] <tjaalton> I was supposed to update the debian-experimental branch to 2.4.1, and then use that as a base
[06:51] <bryce> ah ok
[06:51] <tjaalton> even if it can't be uploaded (to debian) the branch can be kept up to date
[06:51] <bryce> well basically I just snagged tormod's control file, which I gather came from debian's git tree.  was pretty straightforward
[06:52] <tjaalton> but now that my home-adsl works again, I can get to it :P
[06:52] <bryce> cool, yeah I didn't want to upload anything and get us out of sync
[06:53] <tjaalton> well I can take your changes if they fit debian too
[06:54] <tjaalton> hmm, part of it seems to be from git
[06:57] <bryce> ah neither of my changes are really worth propagating
[06:58] <bryce> I just commented out the installation of ChangeLog, and the distclean rule, since they were generating errors for my build
[07:03] <tjaalton> ok, I can check those out
[07:03] <tjaalton> why that happens
[07:04] <tjaalton> the Changelog probably should be generated from git logs
[07:05] <tjaalton> but breakfast ->
[07:07] <bryce> yeah, if I make a git snapshot I just grab it from there, but this one was a tarball release, so not clear where to get the correct list
[07:08] <bryce> since I was just making this for testing -intel 2.5 on hardy, I didn't care whether the changelog was installed so could be lazy
[07:08] <bryce> anyway, I'm pooped... going to bed.  cya
[07:09] <bryce> btw I'm going to be off at an OEM team retreat thingee all next week
[07:09] <bryce> night
[07:19] <bryce> oh forgot to mention, the motivation here is to provide backports of -intel to hardy and intrepid for testing purposes, since upstream has been invariably asking to test the newer code when I've forwarded bugs to them
[07:19] <bryce> ok, really going to bed now.
[07:36] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[19:12] <bryce> tjaalton: http://bryceharrington.org/X/PkgList/versions_current.html now redirects properly
[22:05] <bryce> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/xorg-server/xsmoke


[08:00] <mar77i> hello world
[08:02] <mar77i> what is jockey-gtk and why does it break?
[08:08] <highvoltage> mar77i: it detects newly installed hardware and detects whether you need any additional drivers for existing hardware
[08:08] <highvoltage> mar77i: what does it do? do you get an error message? those are usually safe to silence (I think there's a button that says "don't warn me again about this error" or something like that)
[08:09] <mar77i> yup. although the UI "this program has crashed and we want you to send an error report" wasn't too helpful. I'll try logging in again in a minute
[08:12] <mar77i> this being a laptop of average age surprised me that wlan didn't just work, although I guess it can be toggled through an fn key
[08:17] <mar77i> negative. Let's first set up wlan, so I can make the rest work a bit more comfortably. Networkmanager shows grayed out wireless connection / scan entries which can be configured but not activated.
[08:18] <mar77i> ip link shows a device wlan0 which is down. networkmanager seemed not to be managing that device though.
[08:21] <mar77i> erk
[08:38] <mar77i> still no wlan. tried setting it up with iwconfig, which leads to a message "SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported."
[08:44] <mar77i> okay. found the hardware button
[08:45] <mar77i> ...no updates? I hate the people I have to work with
[08:48] <mar77i> (obviously that doesn't mean it got updated recently but that support has been cancelled and )
[09:30] <mar77i> okay. now... I haven't got the jockey error message any more, but I have no idea how I could make this laptop's dvi output work.
[09:32] <mar77i> xrandr is showing vga-0, dvi-i-0, tv-9 and dvi-i-1 as disconnected and an lvds-0 as connected... hmm, the release is "precise", the laptop is a maxdata thingy which doesn't look very promising
[11:39] <mar77i> how can I boot to rescue mode?
[11:39] <mar77i> there seems to be no grub menu or something


[00:29] <darkxst> robert_ancell, perhaps you can take a quick look at this patch?  Barry uploaded it to proposed, but didnt understand the patch. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1064269
[00:30] <robert_ancell> darkxst, looking now
[00:49] <darkxst> robert_ancell, thanks
[02:38] <darkxst> robert_ancell, is there a way to get session list from lightdm via dbus? I.e for gdm they do this Gdm.get_session_ids().length to determine correct labels for the usermenu items
[02:52] <robert_ancell> darkxst, no, that functionality is in the helper library liblightdm
[03:06] <darkxst> robert_ancell, oh yeh, of course!
[03:11] <darkxst> robert_ancell, but the liblightdm gi library is not installed by default?
[03:12] <robert_ancell> darkxst, it's in gir1.2-lightdm-1
[03:12] <darkxst> yeh I found it, but it wasnt installed
[03:12] <robert_ancell> unity-greeter uses the library directly, so by default it's not installed
[03:12] <darkxst> so I can't really use it, unless we add deps somewhere
[03:13] <robert_ancell> darkxst, use it in gnome-shell?
[03:13] <darkxst> yeh
[03:13] <robert_ancell> yeah, you can just add a dependency on it
[03:13] <darkxst> ok
[03:13] <robert_ancell> you can depend on it and it wont bring in the daemon
[03:14] <darkxst> ok cool
[03:23] <darkxst> robert_ancell,  although I really dont want to patch to much javascript, since things are just going to break when people install related extensions
[03:23] <darkxst> perhaps it would be safer to patch libgdm?
[03:23] <darkxst> to divert to liblightgdm when gdm is not available?
[03:24] <darkxst> and there are a bunch of extensions that mess around with the user menu
[03:25] <robert_ancell> that's another option
[03:27] <darkxst> I might look at doing it that way
[03:28] <darkxst> but there is still this issue, that is probably an unavoidable js patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110, and will break again with most status menu extensions ;(
[03:33] <darkxst> (not related to lightdm of course) but nasty none the less
[13:29] <jbicha> everaldo: ah, there's one more thing: the isolinux art used when you boot from the live image
[13:30] <jbicha> I'd like to use Ubuntu's purple symbolic "press a key for accessibility" background but substituting our blue for the purple
[13:36] <everaldo> jbicha, oh! right
[13:36] <everaldo> let me take care of it
[13:37] <everaldo> jbicha, is this the one created by iso-build-script or theres a specific package for it?
[13:38] <jbicha> everaldo: currently, we're just using the build script for it; it should end up in an actual package but we might not bother for quantal
[13:48] <everaldo> jbicha, ok, working on it.
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> Hello. Is Ubuntu Gnome Remix beta available for download?
[14:42] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, yes, it is
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> where at?
[14:42] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> thank you much
[14:43] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, to be more precise: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta#Download_Beta
[14:43] <smartboyhw> CrusaderAD, though I suggest wait for 8 days for final release:D
[14:43] <CrusaderAD> nice, thanks, I plan on giving it a go
[14:44] <CrusaderAD> smartboyhw ya I'm considering that :)
[14:44] <everaldo> hehe, I am use it every day... to be honest I don't see any major bug
[14:44] <smartboyhw> All minor ones really:D
[14:45] <everaldo> smartboyhw, well, we need to fix bugs so, we need to use it
[14:46] <CrusaderAD> in your opinions, if you have a 64bit capable machine, would you always use 64bit versions?
[14:46] <everaldo> better to have more people testing
[14:46] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I am use 64bit for past 2 years
[14:46] <smartboyhw> everaldo, ya sure you are a good dev!
[14:46] <everaldo> theres only two things that I don't lie
[14:46] <everaldo> like
[14:46] <CrusaderAD> everaldo oh ya? what's that?
[14:46] <everaldo> when use skype lots of 32 bit libraries got installed
[14:47] <everaldo> and the same for android sdk, it is 32bit only
[14:47] <CrusaderAD> hm, do you prefer the performance of 64bit over 32bit?
[14:47] <everaldo> it is not a real problem but I don't like to have this 32bit libraries installed just because skype and android sdk don't release a 64 bit
[14:47] <everaldo> but I still prefer 64
[14:48] <CrusaderAD> I see
[14:48]  * smartboyhw prefers 64-bit libs too
[14:48] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I can't measure performance since I don't use 32 anumore
[14:48] <everaldo> anymore
[14:49] <CrusaderAD> I recently bought an Acer Aspire S3 (it's the one pictured on ubuntu's homepage) and I do notice a few things wrong with it on the 64bit version, I can't edge scroll on the touchpad and the wireless takes about 2 minutes to connect after I login... not sure if it's 64bit related or not, might have to try out the 32bit version
[14:50] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I would like to hear about your experiences with this computer, maybe a blog post about it?
[14:50] <everaldo> also, if you install a 32 bit and compare problens
[14:50] <everaldo> it will be amazing!
[14:50] <CrusaderAD> everaldo I just may have to do that :)
[14:50] <everaldo> I am sure that lots of people will interest on hear about this
[14:50] <CrusaderAD> there aren't a whole lot of comparisons out there
[14:51] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, btw, do you know this links:
[14:51] <everaldo> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/acer+aspire+s3
[14:51] <everaldo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireS3
[14:51] <everaldo> ?
[14:52] <CrusaderAD> everaldo oh snap! no I didn't, thanks!
[14:52] <everaldo> smartboyhw, btw, we need to have a multitouch on GNOME3, will be nice to use gesture to open a overview like in OSX
[14:52] <smartboyhw> everaldo, wow
[14:54] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I brougth a computer 5 months ago
[14:55] <everaldo> at that time I was between aspire s3, mac air and one vaio
[14:55] <everaldo> brougth a air but I still want have a S3
[14:56] <CrusaderAD> everaldo they're nice, light and solid... I really have no complaints
[14:57] <CrusaderAD> I was on the fence about the air too, do you like it? did you drop ubuntu on it?
[14:59] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, well, the mid 2011 model is perfect for linux, really, never see a hardware so compatible with linux and ubuntu
[14:59] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, but I don't know if is the same with mid 2012 model
[14:59] <everaldo> I had a macbook pro and it work ok
[15:00] <everaldo> so some friends also brought one but a more recent model
[15:00] <everaldo> and for then wireless was a hell
[15:00] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, on my air I run ubuntu 99% of time
[15:01] <everaldo> just remember last time I use OSX
[15:01]  * everaldo just remember that found a better way to boot ubuntu on mac and need to doc it
[15:01] <smartboyhw> everaldo, good:D
[15:02] <everaldo> smartboyhw,  I just create a fat32 very small partition and:
[15:03] <everaldo> http://pastebin.com/iWtwsarm
[15:03] <everaldo> and it just using efi
[15:03] <smartboyhw> WOW
[15:04] <everaldo> without use refit or any other thing
[15:04] <everaldo> and also if you press "alt" when starting machine the mac firmware recognize partition and show it
[15:06] <CrusaderAD> everaldo cool, air doesn't have retina, I saw Ubuntu on a retina and everything was so small cause the resolution was so high... pretty neat
[15:08] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, you can change font dpi and it get bigger
[15:09] <everaldo> using gnome-tweak-tool
[15:10] <CrusaderAD> cool
[15:19] <CrusaderAD> nice chatting with you guys, ttyl
[15:22] <everaldo> jbicha, just search for the icons used on ubuntu syslinux, not easy available and it is not gnome's symbolic icon
[15:30] <jbicha> everaldo: apt-get source syslinux-themes-ubuntu
[15:32] <jbicha> I see access.pcx and blank.pcx
[15:57] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, I have it but it is purple, we need the symbols transparent or in svg
[15:57] <everaldo> anyway, I will try colorize in gimp
[15:58] <everaldo> sometimes it works
[16:03] <jbicha> everaldo: maybe try looking at the commit log and figure out who created the images to begin with
[16:03] <everaldo> good idea
[16:04] <jbicha> since it's GPL3, it probably should have the original source included but often times that principle is ignored for image files
[16:26] <everaldo> jbicha, the fast solution was to change the color backgorund just a little bit
[16:26] <everaldo> you can event see the differences
[16:26] <everaldo> change to a color that I can obtain using gimp colorizer
[16:28] <everaldo> just changed from 4169a4 to 4069a7
[16:30] <everaldo> jbicha, our text background in grub is #133773 but the current syslinux color is 4169a4
[16:30] <everaldo> what the right color?
[16:31] <jbicha> um, the right color is as close as we can get to what grub will be using
[16:31] <everaldo> ah, ok, I will change syslinux color
[17:01] <everaldo> jbicha, done. https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/+junk/iso-build-script
[17:01] <everaldo> jbicha, but I can't propose merge so you must give me access or commit your self
[17:02] <everaldo> (last 3 revisions in my branch)
[17:07]  * everaldo needs to restart
[18:20] <everaldo> just finished to generate my daily iso
[18:20] <everaldo> everything ok
[19:49] <darkxst> robert_ancell, what happened to this upload? I cant find it and doesnt appear to have been released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1057841
[19:49] <robert_ancell> darkxst, an archive admin rejected it but I don't know why (the rejection system doesn't indicate why)
[19:53] <robert_ancell> darkxst, oh, the reasoning is in bug 1055359
[19:58] <darkxst> robert_ancell, oh right, would have been nice to have the user switchnig fix in quantal, but I guess its too late now
[19:58] <robert_ancell> darkxst, yeah, will have to SRU it
[20:02] <jbicha> it could still get in before final release
[20:13] <ricotz> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=0e01a81219e16969011860be134bccd111930368
[20:26] <darkxst> jbicha, ok, and I suppose this will need to be a SRU as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110
[21:53] <darkxst> jbicha, who did you speak with about potential lightDM support in gnome-shell? clearly gcampax is not really keen on the idea!
[21:58] <jbicha> yeah, he wasn't in Boston
[21:59] <jbicha> Ray Strode & Jasper St. Pierre seemed interested in working with lightdm, especially if lightdm could use gnome-shell as a greeter/lock screen
[22:00] <darkxst> and he is responsible for most of the gdm only code!
[22:01] <jbicha> they said that they hacked a way for the lock screen greeter to not need vt switching which was a big problem when unity-greeter tried handling the lock screen several months ago
[22:02] <jbicha> ironically, gdm has become a bit more similar to lightdm, especially if they drop the fallback mode like they want to
[22:03] <jbicha> but lightdm's big advantage is that it is cross-desktop; a distro could ship lightdm as the foundation for all of the flavors they support
[22:20] <darkxst> yes that would seem logical! as nice as the gdm/gnome-shell integration is, it does present problems
[23:10] <darkxst> jbicha, something I have been thinking about for 13.04 is to have some sort of 'migration mode'. It would be a carefully selected set of shell extensions, that would ease the mental transition to gnome-shell. Then users can turn them off one-by-one as they get used to the new interface
[23:13] <darkxst> for example many new shell users complain about lack of traditional application menu, or bottom panel.
[23:14] <darkxst> But give them a few weeks and they will probably realise they don't even use these anymore!
[23:14] <jbicha> darkxst: in Boston we discussed getting rid of fallback mode
[23:14] <darkxst> jbicha, not talking about fallback mode
[23:15] <darkxst> in the shell proper
[23:15] <jbicha> gonyere suggested that we officially support a set of extensions that bring back some of the gnome2 feel
[23:15] <jbicha> like the applications and places menu extensions
[23:16] <jbicha> there will be more discussion, but I think that compromise position could stick
[23:16] <jbicha> GNOME doesn't really like the idea of distro's packaging extensions
[23:17] <jbicha> but Jasper was talking about adding a "download rpm" button to extensions.gnome.org; adding a "download deb" button shouldn't be too difficult
[23:17] <darkxst> yeh I know, Jasper was hinting at package kit support for extensions at one stage though
[23:17] <jbicha> that way there is an answer for sysadmins
[23:18] <jbicha> and extensions should auto-update some day...
[23:18] <darkxst> yeh that didnt make it for 3.6
[23:19] <jbicha> he remembered that you had written some extensions (since he's one of the main reviewers on the site)
[23:19] <darkxst> not so much anymore, he has a couple of review slaves now ;)
[23:21] <darkxst> though he has also reviewed some of my bug fixes also
[23:31] <darkxst> jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS?
[23:59] <darkxst> jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS?