[13:07] <kzard> Hi
[13:07] <kzard> I need help with bzr on windows
[13:08] <kzard> Any action I perform using bazaar explorer gives the error message "Could not acquire lock. Please try again later"
[13:08] <kzard> This does not happen when I use the command line utility
[13:09] <kzard> It happens for any local / remote branch
[13:10] <kzard> For example: Open bzr explorer > Select trunk branch > Log  >>> Log displays fine
[13:10] <kzard> Click "close"
[13:12] <kzard> bzrw freezes and after a few seconds I get a popup message "Could not acquire lock. Please try again later"
[13:12] <kzard> *please retry later"
[13:13] <kzard> any ideas on how I can try to solve this would be appreceated :)
[13:13] <kzard> or where to look for help
[13:15] <jelmer> hi kzard
[13:15] <kzard> hi jelmer :)
[13:15] <jelmer> kzard: as mentioned yesterday, I would suggest writing to the mailing list
[13:16] <kzard> blhe
[13:16] <kzard> * bleh
[13:16] <jelmer> ?
[13:16] <kzard> I'm on the verge of just removing any trace of bzr from my pc +_+
[13:16] <kzard> * local version of "meh"
[13:16] <kzard> and installing it again
[20:21] <mbruzek> Hello bzr, I created a branch by accident and it is not needed is there a way for me to delete it from launchpad/bazaar ?
[20:22] <beuno> mbruzek, sure, there's a delete button in the web UI
[20:23] <mbruzek> beuno, I did not know that.
[20:23] <mbruzek> beuno, thank you.
[20:23] <beuno> np
[20:23] <mbruzek> Is there a way to do that with a bzr command (just curious, I *just* deleted it)
[20:23] <mbruzek> ?
[20:23] <beuno> mbruzek, not that I know of, no
[20:27] <mbruzek> Thanks again beuno.


[20:15] <sbeattie> doko: +1 on netbeans, libjavaewah-java, gluegen2, libjogl2-java and scilab being binary copied from apps to bionic-proposed.
[21:34] <sbeattie> okay, +1 on the 25 packages in the https://launchpad.net/~openjdk-11-transition/+archive/ubuntu/tomcat2/ to be binary copied to bionic-proposed.


[05:26] <DanChapman> morning all
[06:56] <pitti> jibel: how did you set up the trusty autopkgtests, OOI? you took a saucy VM and dist-upgraded? (there don't seem to be trusty cloud images yet)
[07:01] <jibel> pitti, morning, that's what I did and there is a job that updates it every day until there is a cloud image for trusty
[07:01] <jibel> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~auto-package-testing-dev/auto-package-testing/trunk/view/head:/doc/opening_a_new_release.md
[07:13] <pitti> jibel: ack, merci
[09:24] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[14:07] <elopio> hello everybody!
[14:16] <davmor2> elopio: hello dude how's sunny costa?
[14:17] <elopio> davmor2: it's rainy costa at this time of the year.
[14:17] <elopio> but it's nice, as long as you work from home :D
[14:18] <davmor2> haha man you ruin my illusions of the sunny paradise of costa and vila does the same for france, I think I'll stay here at least there is sunshine :D
[14:20] <elopio> davmor2: well, you can come to the rain forest, that's cool because it's rainy. Or you can go to the caribbean coast, that has the seasons backwards so now it's summer.
[14:22] <davmor2> elopio: oh so like Australia who have their summer solstice on December the 21st
[15:19] <rvr> elopio, alesage: I have updated the merge request for ubuntu-system-settings ..... but
[15:19] <rvr> I also did a merge with trunk
[15:20] <rvr> So now it's a mess to check the diff
[15:21] <elopio> rvr: why aren't you merging against trunk?
[15:23] <rvr> elopio: The tests were in very early stage
[15:24] <elopio> rvr: so, first merge ~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-settings/autopilot with trunk in a separate branch. Then the diff will be sane, I think.
[15:25] <rvr> Good tip
[15:29] <rvr> Hmm... the diff is not updated in Launchpad
[16:18] <elopio> robotfuel: so, about select_pick_text
[16:18] <elopio> using an index instead of text certainly solves the translation issues.
[16:19] <elopio> robotfuel: but you said that the text might be created programatically. Why can't we add an objectName programatically along with the text?
[16:20] <robotfuel> elopio: It could
[16:21] <robotfuel> elopio: I think option selectors should probably be treated the same way.
[16:21] <elopio> robotfuel: I would prefer to have objectName as an identifier, and index as a fall back id. Avoid text as much as possible.
[16:22] <elopio> robotfuel: but maybe we don't need objectName in some cases, or we can't set them in some others. I'm blind here about the options and pickers, because I haven't touched them. I'll trust whatever you prefer.
[16:23] <robotfuel> elopio: I don't know how easy that will be to implement, because right now the picks and selections in the optionselector are  just a list.
[16:24] <robotfuel> elopio: I think app developers will want to select a pick or an option with the text of the option or pick.
[16:24] <elopio> robotfuel: but you can assign an object name to list items. Like this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147558044/popover.qml
[16:25] <elopio> robotfuel: I know people will find it easier to select by text, but it has so many problems that it would be great if we can encourage using objectNames from the emulators.
[16:25] <robotfuel> elopio: ah I see, I was just going by the examples.
[16:26] <elopio> if the API doesn't let select by text, they will have to add the objectNames, instead of adding text methods to the API. I think that's a win.
[16:27] <robotfuel> elopio: I was looking at this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/Pickers.qml
[16:27] <elopio> robotfuel: that's a good point.
[16:27] <robotfuel> elopio: we need to update the example to only use the custom model. with the object name
[16:28] <elopio> if the examples don't use objectName, or they don't support it, I think that would be a high priority bug as it blocks testability.
[16:28] <robotfuel> elopio: I'll write a bug
[16:29] <elopio> well, it doesn't block it if we are soft and adapt. But I think we shouldn't, let's not automate anything unless we have proper ids set.
[16:29] <elopio> robotfuel: awesome, thanks.
[16:29] <robotfuel> elopio: it would be nice to enforce using an objectName in objectselector and pickers in the code...
[16:29] <robotfuel> er optionselecter
[16:29] <robotfuel> or
[18:51] <balloons> ping phillw
[18:51] <phillw> balloons: pong
[18:51] <balloons> hey, so I've been busy editing the wiki and wanted to share with you some of the changes so they didn't freak you out :-)
[18:52] <phillw> balloons: I saw the move to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ :)
[18:53] <balloons> :-) Yea, the activities moniker was a bit antiquated.. I think it read much better as an FAQ, so I turned it into such
[18:53] <balloons> then I dropped the cadence testing pages and added the 'roles' stuff
[18:53] <balloons> I pushed emails on everything just now so I'll let you read the posts and mails rather than repeat it all here :-)
[18:54]  * elfy has been reading
[18:54] <balloons> let me think if there was anything else.. not really, just some re-linking and simplification
[18:54] <phillw> I'll back track and check that my links from lubuntu now reflect the new page name.
[18:54]  * Letozaf_ is reading too
[18:54] <balloons> I put in a redirect to not break anything
[18:55] <phillw> balloons: I know :D
[18:55] <balloons> yea.. but the rename could still be a bit funny
[18:55] <balloons> anyways, comments on the meat of the changes are appreciated ;-)
[18:55] <phillw> provided you do not try to chain renames, it is fine.
[18:56] <phillw> but, it is always a temporary measure. We are encouraged to check what pages refer to it.
[18:58] <balloons> certainly
[18:58] <phillw> docs is going to be a busy cycle with an LTS due out :)
[19:02] <phillw> drat, lubuntu-testing wiki is allocated to me :D I will ask sergio (our TL for wiki) if he wants to have a look and further update his references for his application.
[19:02] <phillw> for being a wiki admin / editor.
[19:06] <phillw> actually, if he does have time; it would be a great one for him to have a look at. I did all the work on what was Activities :)
[19:10] <balloons> phillw, yes.. it was easy to do the rename and tweak to FAQ
[19:11] <balloons> much of that editing was already done, hah
[19:12] <phillw> balloons: I never finished off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing there is now further duplication that can be removed. I don't need that page back until the pre-alphas really start to arrive. I'll liase with sergio and see if he can add it to his workload, else I'll do it myself.
[19:13] <thomi> morning
[19:16] <balloons> morning thomi
[19:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello :-)
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, after reading what you posted I am quite exited, sounds good
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it can work fine I always
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, wanted to get more involved with bugs when I used to test
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, ISO's
[19:31] <alesage> elopio ping
[19:33] <alesage> balloons, ping
[19:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm glad to hear it. It makes sense to me, and I want people to be able to self-direct even more
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! now I saw the (c) Carla Sella under the photo ! cool! :P
[19:34] <balloons> not everyone has those skills :-)
[19:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) Yes I loved your salamander pic, so I took it :-)
[19:34] <balloons> alesage, pong
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I'm happy you used it :P
[19:35] <alesage> balloons, hiya, I'm doing the indicators autopilot tests and I'm coming to the point of having to ask the unity8 devs to give proper objectNames to things
[19:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes also the "new roles" seem perfect
[19:35] <alesage> balloons, have you witnessed such, and can you instruct, etc.?
[19:35] <thomi> alesage: I recommend just doing it in your branch, and proposing a MP
[19:35] <thomi> faster turnaround time that way
[19:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, well everything more or less sounds good
[19:36] <alesage> thomi fair, but /me might need a bit of a push to grok the QML, do you recall an MP as example?
[19:37] <thomi> alesage: no, sorry
[19:37] <thomi> my advice would be to dive in and mess around :)
[19:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it will be easier to pick what to do with the "new roles"
[19:40] <balloons> alesage, thomi is spot on. Just make the change in the qml and it will show in the merge. It's just a single line ;-)
[19:40] <balloons> and yes that means you get to grok qml layouts.. it's not TOO bad once you get the hang of it
[19:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, good.. we need more folks to gravitate towards the test writer and developer roles. I thought if I laid everything out it might be easier to do so
[19:42] <balloons> at least now I can ask for people to join some of the specific projects we have
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a good idea, otherwise you may think that testing is just testing ISO's
[19:42] <balloons> more details can always be provided, but I'm glad you feel like it's a good first step
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, but there is much more
[19:42] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes.. in fact I want to move testing well beyond isos
[19:43] <balloons> I'd like to make testing isos largely an autopilot and preseed automated testing operation
[19:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes testing ISO's get's quite "boring" after a while, so I think you are right
[19:45] <elfy> Letozaf_: I assume by after a while you mean after you've done 2 :)
[19:45] <Letozaf_> elfy, :D
[19:46] <balloons> If you don't find anything exciting, then yes indeed
[19:46] <elfy> :)
[19:46] <balloons> retesting the same things again and again is best done with a machine
[19:46] <balloons> breaking things, well elfy is good at that
[19:46] <elfy> yay
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, exactly
[19:46] <balloons> if he can't break the image he'll try something else
[19:46] <balloons> so this is the culture I want to cultivate
[19:47] <elfy> breaking things?
[19:47] <balloons> exactly
[19:47] <elfy> I'm all for that :)
[19:47] <balloons> I knew you would be!
[19:47] <elfy> I agree that testing apps is what people should be doing
[19:47] <elfy> and how things 'look'
[19:48] <balloons> I want to have as many folks as possible using the development release, trying to break stuff, uncovering bugs, and helping followup and get them fixed
[19:48] <balloons> that's a much more interesting and useful workflow to me
[19:48] <balloons> so the tester role tries to reflect that
[19:48] <Letozaf_> well as balloons said let's let the machine's do the repetitive stuff
[19:48] <balloons> do you feel it's been captured as such?
[19:48] <elfy> yep - can see that
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, me too
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, and sounds exiting too :P
[19:50] <balloons> excellent.. Then we can convince a few of those tester folks to write some automated tests too :-)
[19:50] <balloons> it too is getting easier..
[19:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I enjoy writing autopilot tests
[19:50] <elfy> sadly it'll have to be a LOT easier before it makes any sense to me
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, even when "it wasn't easy"
[19:51] <balloons> elfy, lol, we'll get there
[19:51] <balloons> the emulators help quite a bit
[19:51]  * balloons ducks thomi because he never stopped using 'emulators'
[19:51] <thomi> heh
[19:53] <elfy> balloons: when I can start an 'autopilot test writing application' and then go do stuff in a real application that runs in xfce and press a button at the end which produces a testcase
[19:53] <elfy> then you will have got there :D
[19:54] <balloons> elfy, it can certainly start there..  adding in the asserts and you could be done
[19:54] <elfy> :)
[19:54] <balloons> you get the concept, it's a matter of syntax then
[19:54] <balloons> that's good.. I want everyone to at least get the concept of how it works.. you need it to write tests.. manual  or automated
[19:57] <balloons> morning Noskcaj
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, pitty I do not have a Thar in my back yard to take a picture of :P
[19:58] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[19:58] <balloons> Letozaf_, you are quite diverse there in Italy, maybe it's there :-)
[19:58] <Noskcaj> I'm back from the perl 5.18 migration (it killed my xchat)
[19:58] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh, :-)
[19:58]  * balloons stills <3's perl
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, no don't think we got them here :P
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, but we've got goats!
[19:59] <elfy> goats!!!
[19:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, close enough.. grab a pic of a wild goat with long hair..you've got a tahr
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:01] <balloons> so elfy, Letozaf_  no sessions this time, instead more wiki info.. I can be onboard with that completely. We'll see what others thingk
[20:02] <Noskcaj> +1
[20:02] <elfy> I think so balloons
[20:02] <Noskcaj> just maybe don't make an extra irc channel
[20:02] <elfy> Noskcaj: aaah - there was a reason for that :)
[20:03] <elfy> irc is confusing enough for new people as it is without having to be in a channel like this full of people all talking about different things at the same
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, but we must find the way to make these wiki pages easy to find
[20:03] <elfy> better to keep it seperate and on topic
[20:03] <elfy> Letozaf_: no more than making sure sessions are easy to find :)
[20:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, e1fy I was thinking of a sort of wiki page that had a link to all the other wiki pages, an index
[20:04] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, so you start with the index and from there go everywhere you need
[20:05] <balloons> elfy, are you archiving and migrating ubuntu+1 on the forums? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[20:05] <balloons> or keeping it flowing?
[20:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, hmm.. like a table of contents page? a site index on a site?
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:06] <balloons> I'm not sure where I stand on a good index versus a search
[20:06] <elfy> balloons: we didn't archive after raring - so it is now from 13.04 forward at the moment
[20:06] <balloons> elfy, I seemingly remember that, ty
[20:06] <elfy> nothing to stop us changing our minds in the future though
[20:06] <elfy> we have the power - or at least 6 of us do ;)
[20:07] <elfy> though I did add a BIG RED NOTICE :p
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think that sometimes non english speaking people could find it more difficult to use search, but it's just an idea
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, if you got a single wiki page from where you can find everything you need maybe it's easier
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: a simple wiki page with links with detail behind
[20:08] <Letozaf_> e1fy yes
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: so that is a SNAP moment :)
[20:08] <balloons> elfy, I can't login anyway, so ... :-(
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: try tab el - it's not a 1
[20:08] <elfy> balloons: why?
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, :P
[20:09] <balloons> I had forgotten it wasn't working for me
[20:09] <balloons> sso
[20:09] <elfy> balloons: you want me to sort for you?
[20:09] <balloons> elfy, if it's possible, sure
[20:10] <elfy> balloons: going to PM
[20:10] <phillw> one of the things that does seem to recur is that of the X-Files theme, "the truth is out there". It seems we excel at making the information but are poor at making what where called 'one stop shops' which had the contents broken into smaller chinks. This is what i attempted with the re-write of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ Which, with the latest tweak from balloons I do think is an excellent template for basing what can be very in depth
[20:11] <elfy> balloons Letozaf_ phillw - in my opinion we overdo wiki pages and try to put too much on one page - they should be easy to read - much of the time they aren't
[20:12] <elfy> too many links - too much text - too much to read in 15 minutes and people lose concentration
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, sometimes you start on one wiki page, follow the links and get lost, do not know where you started at
[20:12] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, that's my feeling more or less
[20:12] <phillw> elfy: and then we fail when people cannot find where to find information. It is a very delicate ballencing act :)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, but not always
[20:13] <elfy> go listen to a lecture - information in the first 10 minutes - information in the last 10 minutes - not so much importance in between
[20:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes I know.. everyone has a love/hate with wiki's
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, but maybe you guys should hear what other people have to say about this, maybe my feeling isn't what other's feel
[20:14] <phillw> that's why 30 min classroom sessions are good, unless people are prepped up for a real "brain burner" :)
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw but on IRC you do not get what a good written wiki and a video screencast give
[20:15] <balloons> I love hate video too, lol
[20:15] <balloons> I prefer text..but that said I am VERY VERY much a visual learner
[20:16] <phillw> Letozaf_: and some of us do not have speed to allow live video casts or reviewing you-tube etc. again, it is something that needs to be discussed :)
[20:16] <balloons> so for things outside of my comfort zone I want a video
[20:16] <balloons> tech things typically I want to skim for details and that is easier with text
[20:17] <balloons> youtube vids can be downloaded to watch without having to worry about streaming, but I agree.. having both is the better option
[20:17] <elfy> I hate videos
[20:17] <Letozaf_> elfy, I like them because you can stop them an rewind to see what you want over and over again if needed
[20:18] <Letozaf_> well not rewind...
[20:18] <Letozaf_> whatever
[20:18] <elfy> :)
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, but maybe you are right that on certain things videos are good and on others text is
[20:19] <elfy> I can do that with books too :)
[20:19] <balloons> I try to do both everytime
[20:19] <phillw> Letozaf_: I prefer slide shots with the screen images, but each to their own. The use of a slide show has all but died on classroom as they do take a lot of putting together and needs new people to install and understand how to use them.
[20:19] <balloons> but the video is MUCH more indepth
[20:19] <balloons> the autopilot video for instance isn't even close
[20:19] <balloons> the wiki page covers 1% of the video
[20:19] <balloons> you simply can't cover more than that in text
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes you are right
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw so maybe each time it's better to see if video, text or slides are better
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I prefer those to IRC
[20:21] <balloons> yea.. I would rather it went straight to text on a wiki over IRC
[20:21] <phillw> he he, I mist look to re-do this classroom session; it is now quite dated! http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[20:24] <Letozaf_> phillw, also this classroom session looks quite good
[20:24] <elfy> balloons: I'd be +1 to wiki and video as long as the detail is in the wiki as well
[20:24] <Letozaf_> elfy, sound good
[20:25] <Letozaf_> sorry sounds good
[20:25] <balloons> I think we're in more or less agreement then
[20:25] <balloons> we'll see who else responds
[20:26] <balloons> in summary, no sessions, instead produce wiki tutorials with screenshots or video (or both) :-)
[20:26] <elfy> I'm up for helping with wiki when it comes to it
[20:26] <phillw> As you know, I'm going to be more on docs, but am more than happy to update the virt-manager one and it's little friend guestfish if you want.
[20:26] <elfy> balloons: yep
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah sounds good!
[20:27] <balloons> so back to what Letozaf_ said, what do we think about putting all these on the wiki somewhere>
[20:27] <balloons> just a page listing everything out or ?
[20:27] <balloons> hehe, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Tutorials
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes that's more or less what I meant
[20:28] <balloons> the faq page fufills what's on there now.. but we can grab the wiki address and list it out with tutorials instead
[20:28] <elfy> balloons: that does the ticket - precognition ftw :)
[20:28] <balloons> well I tried the idea out last time we wanted to do this
[20:28] <balloons> but it didn't fly then
[20:28] <balloons> perhaps it's ready now
[20:28] <phillw> balloons: we managed to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy within reasonable limits of what should be on, what actually is, a fairly complicated set of subjects. I'm sure the layout can be tidied up.
[20:30] <Letozaf_> phillw, yes I like this page, a lot of links just on one page
[20:31] <Letozaf_> phillw, so you have a starting point to go back to after getting "lost" in all the other links
[20:31] <elfy> cya tomorrow everyone
[20:31] <Letozaf_> elfy, good night! :D
[20:33] <phillw> Letozaf_: I also do try to ensure that every sub page has "Go back" tab, We use the same thing in html called 'return to top' and I do think they do let people go dig and dig, always having the bread crumbs to get back to where they were.
[20:35] <phillw> Letozaf_: I do, however have to say, this is a *lot* easier to agree on at the outset than having to retro fit them! (It was a *lot* of work on what is now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ )
[20:36] <Letozaf_> phillw, this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ  look good
[20:37] <Letozaf_> phillw, do not know if you can have something like what you have in launchpad
[20:38] <Letozaf_> phillw, on a wiki
[20:38] <Letozaf_> phillw, for instance:
[20:38] <Letozaf_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-rssreader-dev/ubuntu-rssreader-app/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/
[20:39] <Letozaf_> phillw, the third line, it has the path in and if you want to go back you just click on the page you want to go back to
[20:39] <Letozaf_> phillw, even if it is not the previous on, but two or three pages back
[20:40] <Letozaf_> phillw, the ~ubuntu-rssreader-dev/ubuntu-rssreader-app/trunk : /tests/autopilot (revision 125)     lin
[20:40] <Letozaf_> sorry line
[20:41] <phillw> Letozaf_: not my knowledge on wiki. It can track sub pages using 'index'
[20:41] <phillw> I'm still getting to grips with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag having had the new tag approved. (You will see there we also do have "Back to Top")
[20:41] <Letozaf_> phillw, well mabye index could do as well
[20:42] <phillw> index looks for sub pages, I'm not sure how the search function works yet :)
[20:44] <phillw> We do now have a recent intake of docs people and the team is lot more active. I'm sure that quality / testing and the wiki / docs team will be working together as the LTS looms! One thing that was pointed out was the lack in number of people running release+1 so that the pages could be updated.
[20:45] <knome> balloons, +1 for combining qa and bug squad teams, but that's going to need quite a lot of work.
[20:45] <phillw> so, there will be testers new to docs and doc people new to testing! It will be nothing if not fun for us all :)
[20:45] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons I like this for instance :  http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html
[20:46] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons but it doesn't mean that what I like is ok for others :P
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons here you get one page pointing to all the others, it you get "lost" you just go back to the index
[20:47] <phillw> Letozaf_: that looks very good, any idea how it was written?
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, nope! sorry
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, maybe balloons has
[20:48] <balloons> phillw, that's written using sphinx
[20:48] <phillw> I'll ask on the docs team, we have been discussing that manual and docs use two different systems and they will not be merged for 14.04.
[20:48] <balloons> it's generated with each new build of autopilot
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw going to bed now :D
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, ciao!
[20:49] <phillw> I've vaguely heard of it.... goes uses my search engine
[20:49] <Letozaf_> ciao to everyone :D
[20:49] <balloons> knome, thanks for the input
[20:49] <phillw> Letozaf_: sleep well, great to have a chat about things!
[20:49] <phillw> drat....
[20:49] <balloons> knome, I must admit I don't know of everything that will be required.. I'm going to lean on some folks who have insights on both sides
[20:50] <balloons> but it makes sense I think
[20:51] <phillw> balloons: and nor do we from the docs side. But what is really heartening is that we are discussing these matters.
[20:52] <balloons> phillw, yes there are commonalities with docs also
[20:53] <knome> balloons, i could try to organise some time to sit down and talk about it some day if you'd want
[20:53] <phillw> what you test, gets released... There's more commonalty than you may 1st think :D
[20:53] <knome> balloons, i don't know too much about bug squatting, but i have some ideas i think would be beneficial to share
[20:56] <balloons> knome, go for it.. I have a few mins now
[20:56] <balloons> if you do too :-)
[20:56] <knome> hehe, see PM
[20:56] <knome> going to sleep soonish
[20:56] <balloons> no worries.. ahh yes that sleep thing!
[20:56] <balloons> we'll talk soon enough I'm sure
[20:57] <knome> yep, i've been postponing a number of things to next week... maybe then ;)
[21:03] <knome> ok, bbl
[21:42] <elopio> alesage: pong. I'm sorry, too late?
[21:43] <alesage> elopio no worries, balloons and thomi helped :)
[21:43] <elopio> nice.


[11:21] <jimmy-x> Hi, just installed ubuntu budgie 17.10 in VMware. Came across 2 problems. 1: when installing vmware tools it can't find appropriate gcc. and when I point to /usr/bin/gcc it says it is not valid. Does anyone have a reason for this? it is gcc (Ubuntu 7.2.0-8ubuntu3) 7.2.0
[11:23] <jimmy-x> I've installed build-essential
[11:24] <jbicha> jimmy-x: by the way, I find VirtualBox works pretty well with Ubuntu
[11:28] <jimmy-x> ok. I might try that. to be clear, I've ubuntu 17.10 working with no issues, it is just the ubuntu budgie edition
[11:35] <jimmy-x> actually it is no related to vmware.. getting an error when trying to compile. eg. installing package via pip
[11:35] <jimmy-x>     building '_scandir' extension     creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-2.7     x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -pthread -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fno-strict-aliasing -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -fdebug-prefix-map=/build/python2.7-l1RrwO/python2.7-2.7.14=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -fPIC -I/usr/include/python2.7 -c _scandir.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-2.7/_scandir.o     _sc
[11:35] <jimmy-x> looks like gcc is broken in this image
[11:39] <jimmy-x> copy/paste error
[11:39] <jimmy-x> No such file or directory      #include <Python.h>               ^~~~~~~~~~     compilation terminated.     error: command 'x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc' failed with exit status 1
[11:47] <jimmy-x> actually nevermind.. was missing python-dev package.
[11:48] <jimmy-x> sorry for bothering. Looks like a slick OS (aside from some missing default packages I'm used to)
[12:54] <jbicha> compilers intentionally are not installed by default
[12:54] <jbicha> Pop!_OS might be including some build tools by default though


[01:29] <machstem> hey guys, anyone around ?
[01:30] <machstem> trying to figure out why my fstab wont mount my two NAS shares, both public/guest account (no credentials needed) using cifs
[01:30] <machstem> i rebuilt my box recently
[01:31] <machstem> copied over my fstab for backup
[01:31] <machstem> copied in the two shares
[01:31] <machstem> but when i try to access them, tells me i dont have the permissions
[01:31] <machstem> i can sudo mount -a manually
[01:31] <machstem> but won't work at boot
[01:31] <machstem> any ideas?
[01:32] <machstem> i installed lubuntu core
[01:32] <machstem> overtop of a mini.iso installation with minimal install
[01:32] <machstem> anyone? lol
[06:31] <syn-ack> Good evening
[14:19] <blumonkey> hi all
[14:20] <blumonkey> some one could help me? I have an old ACER ASPIRE 3000 and i don't see the wirless. It seams not visibile how device. Thanks in advance
[14:27] <phillw> blumonkey: it seems you have a broadcom wireless card. head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174 for help on it.
[14:29] <blumonkey> phillw: thanks a lot!! i go faster to read it
[14:42] <blumonkey> Hi again phillw! The command "lspci" doesn't return any wirless devices. What does it mean and what i have to do? thanks
[14:48] <phillw> blumonkey: that does not bode well! try lsusb to see if it is there (I doubt it, but it's worth a try).
[14:53] <blumonkey> phillw: i have tried lsusb ... but nothing abouth wirless device! My i do something more?
[14:54] <blumonkey> dario001@ubuntu:~$ sudo lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub dario001@ubuntu:~$
[15:04] <phillw> blumonkey: if lspci cannot see the card, it may be disabled in bios or with the 'turn wifi off' button which will most likely be a keyboard combination. The people at that link would be better placed to help you.
[15:07] <blumonkey> Thanks phillw
[15:32] <SonikkuAmerica> 13.04! Yay!
[15:32] <phillw> indeed
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I wrote my microblogging blurb about it yesterday... :\
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm like "Get it! (Tomorrow.)"
[15:37] <phillw> well, those who got it yesterday made a wise choice :D
[15:38] <phillw> yesterday's release candidate is the actual release :)
[15:38] <SonikkuAmerica> I got it three days ago. (Ubuntu with Unity and all.) XD
[15:39] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: there were a couple of respins, but the update manager will take of all that.
[15:39] <SonikkuAmerica> In my Lubuntu VBox, incessant [ do-release-upgrade -d ] spam will follow in terminal.
[15:39] <phillw> *take care of all that*
[15:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[15:40] <phillw> cdimages server is of course crawling, so I don't how long it will before my mirror is fully updated.
[15:42] <installgentoo> checked the website and it still at final beta 2?
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> installgentoo: The site hasn't been updated yet.
[15:43] <n-iCe> hi
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[15:52] <as2000> wow. release day and channel is dead
[15:53] <SonikkuAmerica> as2000: Whoa! Lubuntu has only been around as an official !flavor since 11.10... take it easy!
[15:54] <as2000> hey I love Lubuntu. I just thought there would be peeps flooding the channel is all
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Awesome. Ever think about spreading the word?
[15:55] <meerkat> lubuntu is good
[15:55] <meerkat> ubuntu messed up with that metro stuff
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> metro
[15:55] <meerkat> =)
[15:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Since when did the W8 Metro UI get ported to GTK+ or Qt?
[15:56] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[15:56] <as2000> as much as I can. Ha, getting my co-workers to convert is like pulling teeth. but I do have one other linux guy here and he is waiting for the downloads to populate
[15:58]  * SonikkuAmerica introduces as2000, D.D.S.
[16:00] <as2000> :)
[16:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I had a science teacher in high school who made the same concurrence w.r.t. teaching.
[16:07] <zleap> i have just downloaded 13.04
[16:08] <n-iCe> was it releases already? stable?
[16:14] <as2000> I think phillw is still populating the servers
[16:14] <phillw> the cdimage ar
[16:15] <phillw> area is done by the release team. my mirror is slowly zsyncing up as we speak.
[16:15] <as2000> yes!
[16:15] <sonofzeus> Hi there
[16:15] <sonofzeus> cd /usr/src svn co [https://xbtt.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbtt/trunk/xbt/misc][7]{: target=”_blank”} xbt/misc svn co [https://xbtt.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbtt/trunk/xbt/Tracker][8]{: target=”_blank”} xbt/Tracker
[16:15] <sonofzeus> Why isnt this command workin in the terminal?
[16:15] <as2000> Lubuntu website does not reflect download yet
[16:16] <sonofzeus> Anyone?
[16:16] <sonofzeus> I'm a noob with linux and this command aint workin in my terminal , anyone knows why?
[16:17] <phillw> as2000: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/ seems fully populated?
[16:20] <sonofzeus> hey has the Lubuntu 13.04 version released yet?
[16:20] <phillw> sonofzeus: I can't help. Have you tried #ubuntu-beginners
[16:20] <sonofzeus> If so how shall I update my current install?
[16:20] <phillw> sonofzeus: yes it has, please read the release notes!
[16:21] <sonofzeus> Hmmm srry but where can I find the release notes?
[16:23] <n-iCe> any idea in how to create a wifi direct AP to share internet over it? thanks.
[16:25] <phillw> sonofzeus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu
[16:29] <as2000> phillw: thanks. lubuntu website I guess was not updated.
[16:30] <phillw> lubuntu.net will point to the correct area (it points to the wiki), but mario will have to edit the site.
[16:31] <phillw> to say it 13.04 is out.
[16:33] <phillw> yesh, top left "Get Lubuntu" points to the GetLubuntu wiki entry which has been updated.
[16:33] <n-iCe> phillw: I'm downloading 13.04 :)
[16:34] <phillw> n-iCe: do you have 12.10?
[16:34] <n-iCe> yes sir
[16:35] <phillw> n-iCe: then you need not download 13.04. Head to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu for instructions on upgrading lubuntu 12.10 --> 13.04
[16:35] <n-iCe> but that's gonna be slow, don't you think? since ubuntu servers most be full
[16:35] <phillw> are you using torrent down load for 13.04?
[16:35] <n-iCe> yes sir
[16:36] <n-iCe> 20minutes more and it is more.
[16:36] <phillw> that will possibly be faster.
[16:36] <n-iCe> I don't care about a clean install, since all my stuff is in dropbox
[16:46] <as2000> ugh torrent is slooooooowwww
[16:50] <meerkat> as2000, which one?
[16:51] <phillw> the lubuntu iso's are now being updated on my mirror server.
[16:52] <n-iCe> phillw: have you shared internet?
[16:53] <zleap> i downloaded the iso from the website, nothing to suggest it was beta 2
[16:53] <phillw> no, I use a WiFi router here
[16:53] <as2000> meerkat: lubuntu
[16:53] <meerkat> 32 or 64 bit?
[16:54] <phillw> zleap: if you got it from lubuntu.net, I think you will have got 12.10? Only "Get Lubuntu" on there is pointing to 13.04 AFAIK
[16:54] <as2000> meerkat: 32. says 1hour 20 mins to go. not bad I guess for release day
[16:54] <as2000> 8 0f 38 peers
[16:55] <phillw> http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/raring/release/ is gradually populating. It's on a 100 Mb/s back bone so it should be faster for those images with few seeders
[16:55] <phillw> it grabs alternates, then desktops
[16:55] <meerkat> as2000, how many % left?
[16:56] <as2000> meerkat: about 80% left, but I see its picked up a bit
[16:57] <as2000> getting 130-192k speeds
[16:57] <meerkat> ah, yes. i see you. It says you only have 5%
[16:59] <meerkat> there's another guy on that torrent that is eating a bunch of bandwidth. :p
[17:00] <yo_mama> is version 13.04 done or what?
[17:00] <n-iCe> yo_mama: yes
[17:00] <n-iCe> meerkat: mee
[17:00] <n-iCe> you see me?
[17:01] <yo_mama> n-iCe: I don't find any info on http://lubuntu.net/
[17:01] <n-iCe> yo_mama: there is
[17:01] <yo_mama> link please n-iCe
[17:01] <n-iCe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[17:02] <meerkat> 87.255.14.xxx
[17:02] <meerkat> no idea who that is, though
[17:02] <n-iCe> I'm <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:02] <n-iCe> you see me?
[17:02] <meerkat> you aren't on my list
[17:03] <n-iCe> I'm 400MB now
[17:03] <yo_mama> n-iCe: how do I know that's not a Beta or a RC ??
[17:04] <n-iCe> because the iso does not say tht
[17:04] <n-iCe> that
[17:04] <n-iCe> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/raring/release/lubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:04] <n-iCe> see ?
[17:04] <n-iCe> no beta or rc on the iso name
[17:06] <meerkat> yo_mama, 13.04 is out
[17:06] <meerkat> go to lubuntu.net and click download
[17:06] <meerkat> there it will be updated.
[17:08] <n-iCe> 20 minutes to go
[17:09] <as2000> 31 minutes
[17:10] <yo_mama> n-iCe: what are you waiting 4 ??
[17:10] <n-iCe> 13.04
[17:11] <yo_mama> you must have a slow connection bor :/
[17:11] <yo_mama> *bro
[17:12] <n-iCe> servers are full
[17:12] <n-iCe> today was released
[17:12] <n-iCe> everybody is downloading
[17:12] <yo_mama> use bittorrent!
[17:12] <n-iCe> I am
[17:12] <n-iCe> 400kb/s
[17:12] <yo_mama> I get 1.1 MB/s
[17:13] <yo_mama> bittorrent never gets full
[17:13] <yo_mama> the more users the faster it gets
[17:13] <zleap> phillw, ok
[17:13] <n-iCe> 1'm now
[17:13] <n-iCe> 10m now
[17:26] <n-iCe> done
[17:49] <hpuser4466> When switching desktops using the mouse wheel, the desktop icons remain the same.  How do I make the icons change like switching screens on android?
[17:50] <n-iCe> Well, I think that's useful
[17:51] <hpuser4466> Each desktop should have their own desktop icon layout.
[17:52] <n-iCe> yeah
[17:53] <hpuser4466> Since icons are stored in ~/Desktop   It should be a matter of assigning a seperate Desktop folder for each desktop.
[17:55] <hpuser4466> Possibly add a fix to the desktop switching script to change ~/Desktop folders
[17:56] <hpuser4466> and do a refresh of the desktop.
[17:56] <hpuser4466> I think I answered my own question  ;- )
[18:01] <hpuser4466> Actually, pcmanfm should have a desktop icon layout configuration file which could be switched.
[18:02] <hpuser4466> (since pcmanfm controlls the wallpaper & icon arrangement right?)
[18:04] <hpuser4466> egad. I think i got it..
[18:20] <hpuser4466> Has anyone made a "fix" to cause LXDE to switch screens like android.   I could code this myself (after some research) but it someone has already done it...(let me know)...
[19:37] <Atum_> Hey guys, I downloaded Lubuntu 13.04 x64 and I'm having issues with the internet connection
[19:37] <Atum_> I plugged the ethernet cable and it doesnt recognize. I was using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and everything seems to work fine
[19:38] <Atum_> I tried using the wi-fi, but it doesn't work.
[19:40] <hpuser4466> Atum..could be missing drivers (worst case senario) or maybe start your network manually via the console.
[19:41] <hpuser4466> Something like:   dhclient eth0
[19:41] <Atum_> hmm I'll try this command
[19:41] <Atum_> It was weird because I was using ubuntu 12.04 just fine...
[19:42] <hpuser4466> Had that happen occasionally and had to manually start my internet
[19:47] <Atum_> well, the command thing doesn't work
[19:48] <Atum_> any idea how to proceed?
[19:48] <hpuser4466> oh shoot.. to cover myself i said "something like that"  ;- )
[19:48] <Atum_> It says: "File already exists", and still no connection
[19:49] <Atum_> so, missing drivers?
[19:49] <hpuser4466> will i had zero luck with my wifi recently..must have been a missing driver
[19:50] <Atum_> Is there any package with those drivers? or should I lookup at the manufactor website?
[19:50] <hpuser4466> what's your network chipset?   If you know the chipset then you can manually load the driver with modprobe -r  and try again.
[19:51] <Atum_> Hm, I'm not sure what is my chipset
[19:51] <Atum_> I guess its and Atheros
[19:52] <hpuser4466> lspci | grep Network
[19:52] <Atum_> I'll check it out
[19:52] <Atum_> thanks dude
[19:52] <hpuser4466> then check the output of:  lsmod
[19:52] <Atum_> sorry for bothering
[19:52] <hpuser4466> it's ok
[19:54] <Atum_> hm, Atheros AR9485, What should I be looking at "lspci | grep Network"?
[19:55] <hpuser4466> just a moment..I don't want to get too far ahead of myself...
[19:55] <hpuser4466> I'm checking something..
[19:55] <Atum_> aight
[19:56] <hpuser4466> I'm booting my second pc to check
[19:56] <Atum_> Ok, thanks dude :)
[19:59] <hpuser4466> try this again:
[19:59] <hpuser4466> sudo dhclient eth0
[19:59] <hpuser4466> it worked for me to start my internet.
[20:00] <Atum_> I need the ethernet cable to be connected, right?
[20:00] <hpuser4466> yes
[20:00] <hpuser4466> ps..that's a ZERO in eth0.
[20:01] <Atum_> ya get it
[20:01] <Atum_> RNETLINK answers: File exists
[20:01] <Atum_> still no connection
[20:01] <hpuser4466> go to your network icon and disconnect your network
[20:02] <Atum_> o
[20:02] <Atum_> ok*
[20:02] <Atum_> try again?
[20:02] <hpuser4466> in the taskbar:  enable networking    <<disable it.
[20:02] <hpuser4466> try again..
[21:30] <sonofzeus> Hi there
[21:31] <sonofzeus> Whats the command to check my lubuntu version?
[21:31] <sonofzeus> its 3 am here so really need help asap, thanks.
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> [ lsb_release -a ]
[21:32] <sonofzeus> [ lsb_release -a ] without the [] right?
[21:34] <sonofzeus> Hello sonikku you on m8?
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> MATE? Me? No!
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> "Help!" /quit
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> antiroach: I doubt that's possible...
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> It could be if you run another X server in tty8 though...
[22:18] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: yea i tried, x just shit itself when it tried to load the 2nd driver
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> !language | If you don't mind
[22:18] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: ohhhhhhhhh
[22:19] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: sorry about the language
[22:19] <SonikkuAmerica> (the default is tty7)
[22:19] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: would you be able to direct me somewhere that could help me set that up?
[22:22] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec...
[22:25] <SonikkuAmerica> antiroach: Try [ startx -- :8 ]
[22:25] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: ok, but wouldnt that just use the same xorg.conf file?
[22:27] <SonikkuAmerica> It might...
[22:27] <LogicallyDashing> so, the release upgrade seems to have gone alright, login prompt displays 13.04, but it's still informing me there's a new release available, and suggesting I run 'do-release-upgrade'
[22:28] <LogicallyDashing> I'm pretty sure I can just ignore this?
[22:29] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: HMM, there is a possible 'zero day bug'...
[22:29] <phillw> I've only been told about it in the last 20 minutes,
[22:29] <antiroach> SonikkuAmerica: seems like it to me :|
[22:30] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: can you open a terminal session and run
[22:30] <phillw> /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[22:30] <SonikkuAmerica> You can write a new xorg.conf to switch between...
[22:30] <phillw> Then reboot and see if it okay (it will open a window telling you there is a new upgrade, which you can close).
[22:31] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: it's inconvenient to get a gui, could you gimme a strictly just a command line command line?
[22:31] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec...
[22:31] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: oh, wel if i don't have to interact with the command line in any way
[22:31] <LogicallyDashing> i mean
[22:31] <LogicallyDashing> ugh
[22:31] <LogicallyDashing> if i can just leave the window
[22:32] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[22:32] <phillw> just copy and paste that into a CLI window (LxTerminal).
[22:32] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: i'm sayin' i'm accessing this machine over ssh. but, command seems to be working anyway
[22:33] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: it gives me Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[22:33] <LogicallyDashing> that might be to do with lack of $DISPLAY, checkin'
[22:34] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: okies, I'll let brian do a bit more digging. I did a couple of commands for him while he was getting a 12.10 lubuntu iso to play with.
[22:34] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: I'm using check-new-release with no -gtk on the end, that ok?
[22:34] <LogicallyDashing> "No release found" good
[22:35] <phillw> no, it needs the -gtk at the end :)
[22:35] <LogicallyDashing> hrmph
[22:35] <LogicallyDashing> well, look, JUST FOR YOU i'll walk over to the physical machine
[22:35] <phillw> but, if you are not using ssh -X GUI's will not work :P
[22:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Ahhh... back.
[22:39] <LogicallyDashing> ** (check-new-release-gtk:4353): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-Rt8Hm7kkdA: Connection refused
[22:39] <LogicallyDashing> WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting
[22:40] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: okies, thanks for your help. I'll wait to see what Brian finds.
[22:40] <SonikkuAmerica> LogicallyDashing: Do you require authenticaisohtoeh-whatever it's called?
[22:40] <LogicallyDashing> And then it asks for my password so it can run cat as root. *cat*.
[22:40] <LogicallyDashing> SonikkuAmerica: I have no idea what you're talking about
[22:40] <SonikkuAmerica> LogicallyDashing: Simple - just run "dog."
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Authentication. Blech.sdf
[22:41] <LogicallyDashing> (I didn't enter my password)
[22:41] <phillw> hmm, I ran it as normal user. but real machines are always slightly different to VM's
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Not the [sudo] password...
[22:41] <LogicallyDashing> the machine is an old-ass eeePC 900 with a Celeron
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> !lang
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> uage
[22:42] <LogicallyDashing> I didn't use sudo, no
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> You normally don't have to for [ do-release-upgrade ], it does it for you.
[22:42] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: if you see the upgrade is available again, please raise a bug.
[22:42] <LogicallyDashing> ok phillw
[22:43] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I don't raise bugs, but I do have a dog and a couple of cats :)
[22:44] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: oh, just by the way... did you run sudo apt-get update before you ran the do-release command?
[22:49] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: nope! trying
[22:50] <phillw> the bug you saw, is not the bug that is being investigated. If it now says you have 13.04
[22:50] <phillw> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:50] <phillw> and see what that gives you.
[22:51] <LogicallyDashing> mysql needs upgradin'
[22:51] <LogicallyDashing> here it go
[22:53] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: yeah, same behavior on login
[22:54] <phillw> run the
[22:54] <phillw> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:54] <phillw> again
[22:57] <LogicallyDashing> phillw: No new release found
[22:58] <phillw> yet after a reboot, it says there is?
[22:58] <LogicallyDashing> it says 13.04 is available, after it *just* told me that's the version it is *running*
[22:58] <LogicallyDashing> I'll reboot again if you want
[22:59] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: thanks, I'll have to ask on this...
[22:59] <LogicallyDashing> no prob
[23:01] <LogicallyDashing> At least it didn't ask me to give it root for cat this time
[23:01] <LogicallyDashing> That may be unrelated
[23:02] <phillw> Brian did ask me to let him know if it still happened after we tried that. I'm not sure how fast he will get back to me, the release team are all getting pretty tired now
[23:06] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: please issue
[23:06] <phillw>  lsb_release -a
[23:09] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: say hi to bdmurray and can you firstly paste back what
[23:09] <phillw> lsb_release -a
[23:09] <phillw> gives you
[23:18] <LogicallyDashing> No LSB modules are available.
[23:18] <LogicallyDashing> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[23:18] <LogicallyDashing> Description:    Ubuntu 13.04
[23:18] <LogicallyDashing> Codename:       raring
[23:19] <LogicallyDashing> I'll work out how to copy multiple lines at once in tmux someday
[23:19] <LogicallyDashing> p.s. hi bdmurray
[23:19] <phillw> !paste | LogicallyDashing
[23:19] <LogicallyDashing> um
[23:19] <bdmurray> Hi, which command is showing you a new release available?
[23:20] <LogicallyDashing> bdmurray: none of them! I only see it when I log in via ssh
[23:20] <bdmurray> ah
[23:21] <LogicallyDashing> it doesn't seem to actually DO anything, so I'm not really WORRIED, but, bug
[23:22] <bdmurray> I know the answer just trying to find it
[23:22] <phillw> :)
[23:24] <bdmurray> the file /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available determines whether or not that appears
[23:24] <LogicallyDashing> i can just remove it?
[23:25] <LogicallyDashing> gone
[23:25] <LogicallyDashing> checking
[23:25] <LogicallyDashing> fixed
[23:25] <LogicallyDashing> thanks bdmurray
[23:31] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: I've never seen that one before! kudos to Brian.... Heck, they're good :D
[23:38] <phillw> LogicallyDashing: I'll go looking to see if it is a known bug after I've had some sleep. I've pulled the logs of here and with Brian into a scratchpad. Do not worry, If I report / update any bug, it will not have your name on it and will be reported / updated by mine.
[23:44] <subman> I'm running 13.04 on a netbook and my touchpad seems to stop working at random times.  The only solution I've found is to power down the machine with the power button and then reboot.  There seems to be no regular time interval involved.  Completely random.  Is this a known bug?  I've never seen this on this machine in the past.
[23:47] <phillw> subman: Off the top of my head, as it is only 1st day of 13.04 out in the wild... Add in the  temp / CPU usage icon to your task bar and see if it is temperature realted?
[23:48] <phillw> "CPU Usage Monitor"
[23:49] <subman> phillw, the machine doesn't really freeze.  Programs continue to run.  I don't seem to be able to get the menu to come up or Alt-tab to another program, like an open terminal.
[23:50] <phillw> subman: Using that would, at least, rule out a temperature issue. Intermittent / random errors are hard to track down, but on smaller systems it can be a temprature problem.
[23:51] <subman> phillw, I get home tonight at around 9pm Eastern and I'll see what happens.
[23:52] <subman> phillw, the only problem might be if at the time it is temperature related and I cannot switch to the monitor to see what is going on at that time.
[23:53] <subman> phillw, maybe something like psensor would work with Lubuntu?  Will that program create 'temperature alerts/notifications' in Lubuntu?
[23:54] <phillw> I scatched my head for ages as to such a problem, and it was the occaisional tab opened on a 'not very well behaved' web site that would stress my CPU out. (Shockwave Flash sites). Now that I have the monitor, I can see any spike in cpu usage along with a fairly reliable report of CPU temperature.
[23:55] <phillw> subman: I use the old fashioned Mk1 eyeball :)
[23:55] <subman> Is there something that will display in the menu bar?
[23:56] <phillw> subman: yes.... "CPU Usage Monitor" :) Just add it. (mine is just to left of my clock, but you can place it where you like).
[23:56] <subman> I'm not running Lubuntu on this machine at the moment, that is another strange issue, but I'll try it at home tonight.
[23:57] <phillw> subman: let me just check to see if it needs adding :)
[23:58] <phillw> subman: it's part of the lxde suite (lubuntu)
[23:58] <subman> Excellent, I'll try that.
[23:58] <phillw> It's saved me a lot of grief!
[23:59] <subman> As for this machine here at work, I run quite a few desktop environments.  The original being Ubuntu 13.04.  When I installed Lubuntu on it it added a few entries to the login screen and now there are too many to be seen and no method of scrolling to see them!


[00:04] <armin76> haha
[00:05] <armin76> Ubulette: he works for Canonical, what do you expect?! :P
[00:15] <Ubulette> yeah, maybe
[00:35] <asac> Ubulette: hehe ...  no idea. haven't seen that before
[00:37] <asac> looks like a bug
[09:38] <asac> http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2008/03/05/allpeers-lessons-learned/
[09:43] <[reed]> asac: <timely> why isn't https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/ca-certificates part of ubuntu 7.10 out of the box?
[09:44] <Ubulette> this is a depends of openssl
[09:44] <[reed]> and openssl isn't installed by default?
[09:45] <Ubulette> and of balsa, mutt, fetchmail, .... maybe we can add it to firefox-3.0 deps
[09:45] <[reed]> please do
[09:45] <[reed]> it's causing problems like mozilla bug 407748 and others
[09:45] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407748 in Breakpad Integration "Ubuntu 7.10 Crash report submission failed: problem with the SSL CA cert" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407748
[09:48] <Ubulette> done
[09:48] <[reed]> cool, thanks
[09:49] <[reed]> got a link to some commit that I can show to the people who are asking?
[09:50] <Ubulette> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.head
[09:50] <Ubulette> that will be #194
[09:50] <[reed]> k
[09:50] <[reed]> thx
[09:52] <Ubulette> hm, causing troubles.. maybe having troubles
[09:52] <Ubulette> fixed
[09:59] <asac> [reed], Ubulette: firefox depends is certainly the wrong place to fix this
[10:00] <Ubulette> why ?
[10:00] <Ubulette> same as mutt or balsa
[10:00] <Ubulette> we can also move that to libnss-1d
[10:00] <[reed]> asac: it really should be a part of the default install
[10:01] <[reed]> kinda silly that it isn't
[10:01] <[reed]> making it part of libnss would make sense
[10:01] <[reed]> since the certs are part of NSS in the codebase anyway
[10:02] <Ubulette> $ apt-cache rdepends ca-certificates | tr '\n' ' '
[10:02] <Ubulette> ca-certificates Reverse Depends:   w3mmee   sendmail-base   msmtp   mew-bin   mew-beta-bin   esniper   dtc-postfix-courier   dtc   boinc-client   balsa   w3m   openssl   mutt   libpurple0   libcurl3-gnutls   fetchmail
[10:02] <asac> [reed]: we don't have permission to add ca-certificates to libnss
[10:03] <[reed]> yeah, move it to libnss... that way not every single mozilla project would need to depend on it individually
[10:03] <asac> there is a bug about it
[10:03] <[reed]> asac: how can I get that fixed?
[10:03] <[reed]> who needs to grant permission?
[10:03] <asac> and it wouldn't make sense either. afaik libnss doesn't even look at that place (might be wrong though)
[10:04] <Ubulette> so ?
[10:04] <asac> [reed]: if non of the rdepends is on the CD you need to request addition to the CD seeds
[10:04] <[reed]> so, what is using that package then, as installing it fixes a ton of SSL cert problems people are having
[10:04] <[reed]> asac: how to do that?
[10:05] <[reed]> this is a real problem for us
[10:05] <asac> filing a bug is always a good first step. next you need to assign the right team. i guess ubuntu-archive
[10:06] <asac> well ... ca-certificates has two sets of certificates afaik: highly trusted + others
[10:06] <asac> i guess only the first one is enabled by default
[10:06] <[reed]> the mozilla ones need to be included
[10:07] <[reed]> otherwise, people go crazy trying to figure out why a site works fine on Mac and Windows with any Mozilla product but not with Ubuntu Linux because of the missing SSL certificates that we include by default
[10:07] <asac> [reed]: aren't the right ones installed if you install ca-certificates
[10:07] <[reed]> correct
[10:07] <[reed]> installing that package fixes the problems
[10:08] <asac> then there is not need to include additional certificates in that package
[10:08] <asac> just to make that package part of the default install
[10:08] <[reed]> yeah
[10:08] <[reed]> so, I should file a bug?
[10:08] <[reed]> or what?
[10:08] <asac> i cannot decide on that though. but i guess its just that some rdepends which was previously on the CD now isn't anymore
[10:08] <asac> if thats the case adding to seeds should be fine
[10:08] <asac> [reed]: plesae file a bug and give me the bug number
[10:08] <[reed]> k
[10:08] <asac> i will take over then
[10:11] <asac> [reed]: which sites are affected? bugzilla?
[10:12] <[reed]> anything using some of the newer certs (such as our crash-reports.mozilla.com), but we get reports about it a lot
[10:13]  * [reed] waits on bugzilla to give him query results
[10:14] <asac> well. in fact firefox doesn't suffer from it anyways
[10:14] <asac> i think the main point here is that no tls suppor is installed for curl by default
[10:14] <Ubulette> ok, removing then
[10:15] <[reed]> lp bug 152781 then?
[10:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152781 in curl "Curl should depend on ca-certificates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152781
[10:16] <asac> i dropped the depends for now
[10:16] <Ubulette> ?
[10:16] <[reed]> who handles updating the cert list in ca-certificates?
[10:16] <[reed]> since it says "Mozilla certificates"
[10:16] <[reed]> we've added a ton of new certs
[10:16] <[reed]> between Firefox 2 and Firefox 3
[10:16] <asac> debian
[10:17] <Ubulette> lol, i uncommitted it
[10:17] <[reed]> need to make sure those get in the package
[10:20] <asac> ill try to figure
[10:20] <asac> probably not an easy question
[10:21] <asac> [reed]: where are those certs?
[10:21] <asac> how can i update a .crt ;)
[10:24] <Ubulette> iirc, there's a small doc in the sources
[10:32] <asac> ok ... i have to figure out procedures first
[10:54] <asac> ok i think its just cp certdata.txt into the mozilla/ tree
[11:19] <asac> cwong1: pong (sorry)
[14:17] <[reed]> woot, flight to Prague has been booked
[14:17] <[reed]> :)
[14:18] <[reed]> though, I think she got my name wrong on the ticket, so I need to make sure about that
[14:18] <[reed]> :/
[17:16] <asac> [reed]: cool!
[17:16] <asac> [reed]: yes, please be sure that the name is right ;)
[17:16] <asac> how long is your flight?
[18:28] <[reed]> asac: name turned out to be right... seems you all tack on the prefix (Mr., Mrs., etc.) at the end of the first name, which isn't what we do ;)
[18:29] <[reed]> asac: 10:20 + 1:40 == 12 hours total of in-flight time :(
[18:30] <[reed]> plus time between the two flights at my connection location
[20:21] <asac> [reed]: where do you stop? london?
[20:21] <[reed]> Amsterdam
[21:08] <asac> damn thing ... apparently something broke my mail setup
[21:08] <asac> nothing is send out anymore
[21:21] <asac> ok, flushed
[23:22] <asac> bug 199140
[23:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199140 in network-manager "Network manager shows and connects to virtual interfaces" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199140
[23:31] <Ubulette> hi
[23:36] <asac> hi
[23:47] <Ubulette> asac, is cairo in ?
[23:55] <asac> we have to wait till CDs are out
[23:55] <asac> guess that is about _now_


[04:24] <thumper> mwhudson: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/only-show-latest-bmp-in-revision-mail/+merge/19377
[12:33] <wgrant> bigjools: You poked me about 10 minutes too late last night?
[12:33] <bigjools> wgrant: it was about the branch I reviewed
[12:33] <bigjools> I put the question on the MP
[12:34] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah, right. I fixed those this morning.
[12:34] <bigjools> sweet
[14:59] <adeuring> gmb, bac: could one of you review please review this mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-283941-show-patch-numbers-on-upstream-report/+merge/19405 ?
[14:59] <bac> adeuring: i'll take it
[14:59] <adeuring> bac: thanks!
[15:01] <bac> adeuring: the MP shows lots of text conflicts
[15:01] <bac> adeuring: have they been resolved?
[15:01] <adeuring> bac: no, let me check...
[15:09] <adeuring> bac: The conflicts were mostly caused by me and somebody else removing some lint in lp.bugs.browser.bugtask ;) I pushed a new vresion of the branch
[15:11] <bac> thanks adeuring
[15:59] <bac> adeuring: is your branch really based on db-devel not devel/
[16:00] <adeuring> bac: yes. I ue the column Bug.latest_patch_uploaded in the modified SQL query, and thi column is not yet in the production DB
[16:00] <adeuring> s/ue/use/
[16:00] <bac> right
[16:08] <noodles775> Hi gmb, bac, when you've time: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/506203-ppa-privatisation-check/+merge/19415
[16:09] <gmb> noodles775: I'll take a look at it in a minute or two.
[16:09] <noodles775> Thanks gmb.
[16:14] <leonardr> rockstar, if you're feeling better, i have a multiversion branch coming up
[16:15] <rockstar> leonardr, "better" is a relative term, but yeah, I'm able to review.
[16:15] <leonardr> rockstar: it's pretty simple
[16:17] <bac> adeuring: what is the lp.dev URL to see your new work?
[16:18] <adeuring> bac: https://launchpad.dev/ubuntu/+upstreamreport (sorry for not mentioning it in the MP...)
[16:18] <bac> np.  that's why interactive reviews are so nice
[16:27] <leonardr> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/fix-request-user/+merge/19418
[16:27] <gmb> noodles775: r=me with a couple of tweaks.
[16:27] <gmb> Nothing major.
[16:33] <noodles775> Great, thanks gmb.
[16:37] <noodles775> gmb: lol, re. the is_empty()... we hit the same point last week. I tried is_empty first, but it's not part of ISQLObjectResultSet.
[16:38] <gmb> noodles775: Oh, sod.  Okay, checking .count() is an acceptable alternative then.
[16:38] <leonardr> intellectronica, can i trouble you to take another look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpad/multiversion-integration/+merge/19346 ?
[16:42] <intellectronica> leonardr: ok
[16:42] <intellectronica> have you made changes to it?
[16:45] <leonardr> intellectronica: yes
[16:45] <leonardr> i can paste you an incremental diff
[16:45] <intellectronica> leonardr: that would be great
[16:45] <intellectronica> just reading your comment now
[16:46] <leonardr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/377720/
[16:46] <intellectronica> leonardr: thanks
[16:46] <intellectronica> it would be nice if the revision entries in an mp could expand to contain the incremental diff
[16:46] <intellectronica> abentley, rockstar: ^^^^^
[16:47] <intellectronica> leonardr: i don't understand why on line 65 of the diff you still have '/beta/' in the url
[16:48] <intellectronica> isn't it supposed to be replaced by the 'devel' you pass to api_version?
[16:48] <leonardr> intellectronica: hm, it's possible i didn't run that test, it's not a javascript test
[16:49] <abentley> intellectronica, see bug #485625
[16:49] <mup> Bug #485625: mail out interdiffs when updating review diffs <code-review> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/485625>
[16:49] <intellectronica> leonardr: everything else looks fine to me, so just check this one test first to see if it's ok. other than that r=me
[16:50] <intellectronica> abentley: nice :)
[17:04] <sinzui> bac: You will see my mp in a few minutes. It ill look familiar. I decided to use a tales formatter for boolean icons. We can reconcile my branch with yours after our branches land
[17:04] <bac> sinzui: ok
[17:07] <jtv> abentley: 'howbout dis den: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/branch-url/+merge/19422
[17:11] <abentley> jtv, why are you listifying a tuple and then adding a list to it, instead of just adding a tuple to the tuple?
[17:12] <jtv> abentley: IIRC somebody decided once upon a time that tuples were bad for these "in constant_bunch" checks...  I'm fine with making it a tuple, but this is less sensitive to change too.
[17:13] <abentley> jtv, why are lists better for that kind of check?  Wouldn't a set be better?
[17:13] <jtv> abentley: true, it would save one letter of typing
[17:15] <abentley> jtv, I would like to see the rationale for not using tuples for that kind of check.
[17:15] <jtv> abentley: it was a surprisingly long discussion, and frankly I didn't care enough to get involved.  If it's performance-sensitive, that's different.
[17:15] <abentley> jtv, I know I suggested bzr_identity, but I think it makes more sense to use unique_name, as xmlrpc version does.
[17:16] <jtv> abentley: I guess all that skips is the "abbreviation" of the name, right?
[17:17] <abentley> jtv, it means you don't have to slice, but it also means you won't get short names like lp:bzr.
[17:18] <jtv> abentley: off the top of my head, it'd give me '~abentley/launchpad/mybranch', right?
[17:18] <abentley> jtv, unique_name will give you that.
[17:19] <jtv> abentley: then change it I shall.
[17:19] <jtv> definitely cleaner than adding the "lp:", checking for its presence, and removing it again.  :-)
[17:21] <abentley> jtv, why are you composing the URL using strings rather than the URI class?
[17:21] <jtv> abentley: never occurred to me, but it's clearer now that I just simplified things.
[17:22] <abentley> jtv, cool.
[17:22] <jtv> (changing)
[17:24] <abentley> jtv, test_composePublicURL_unknown_scheme needs a comment.
[17:25] <abentley> jtv, could you also export the method over the API, please?
[17:25] <jtv> abentley: working on it
[17:26] <abentley> jtv, (I've already had to compensate for the lack of it several times in plugins).
[17:27] <jtv> abentley: any idea why URI doesn't insert the "/" between host/port and path?
[17:28] <abentley> jtv, not really.
[17:29] <jtv> especially with the temptation to use os.path, which is wrong...
[17:29] <jtv> (except maybe for "file:" :-)
[17:32] <leonardr> rockstar, any progress on the review?
[17:32] <rockstar> leonardr, sorry, was looking after another issue real quick.
[17:41] <jtv> abentley: the diff is updated.
[17:43] <abentley> jtv, were you going to change accepted_schemes to a set?
[17:43] <jtv> abentley: if you care enough to ask me to, yes.
[17:43] <abentley> jtv, okay, please do.
[17:44] <abentley> jtv, r=me with that change.
[17:45] <jtv> abentley: thanks!  The change is being pushed.
[17:47] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~edwin-grubbs/launchpad/bug-99395-linking-sourcepackages-to-projects/+merge/19429
[17:47] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: sure
[18:02] <abentley> bac, could you please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/twisted-oopsdir/+merge/19431 ?
[18:02] <bac> abentley: sure
[21:13] <sinzui> bac: I just created an mp for a branch that got too large. I need to fix an oops, but I had to migrate some code to lp.registry first. So I have a mechanical branch for you to review.
[21:15] <bac> ok
[21:49] <bac> sinzui: done
[23:56] <leonardr> is anyone around to review a truly trivial launchpadlib branch? maybe jml?


[11:48] <ubuntourist> "Is there anybody out there... Is there anybody... out there?"


[10:30] <premier_> I have to crash it.
[10:31] <cntb> ctrl alt F1 premier_ login and  init 0
[10:32] <premier_> I cant get to the terminal windows.  ctrl-alt F1, ctrl-alt backspace, etc are all unresponsize
[10:33] <liviux> Does anyone know how I can recognize whit my Kubuntu the audio device in asus f3jc laptop??
[10:33] <dwidmann> premier_:  video driver issue maybe?
[10:34] <dwidmann> liviux: and that audio device is?
[10:34] <premier_> yeah, I have an ati mobility radeon X1400.  Thats one of the cards that were effected by ati's shoddy driver packages
[10:35] <cntb> is opera  in repos ?
[10:35] <cntb> !opera
[10:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[10:36] <premier_> also, my computer sometimes give "Soft Lockup on CPU #0" while booting.  Turning off ACPI sometimes fixes this, but because I want ACPI I just try booting it until it works
[10:36] <cntb> how old is your PC premier_ ?
[10:37] <cntb> try to clean it
[10:37] <premier_> just a few months
[10:37] <premier_> its a laptop
[10:37] <premier_> clean it?
[10:37] <cntb> yourself or take it totechnician to clean from dust
[10:37] <iroc> boy, 32 bit kubuntu runs like crap on my 64 bit machine
[10:37] <iroc> guess imma have to get the 64 bit version
[10:38] <cntb> well yes some laptops may need cleaning as well
[10:38] <liviux> Is Alsa v1.0.12rcl dwidmann
[10:38] <BluesKaj> 32bit runs nicely on my amd64
[10:38] <premier_> why would you run the 32 bit version?  I wanna know because I wanna get a 64 bit
[10:38] <premier_> cntb: do you know how laptops are cleaned?
[10:39] <BluesKaj> some hardware still isn't recognized by the 64 bit vers
[10:39] <Jared555> kubuntu handle RAID arrays well?
[10:39] <iroc> i guess some programs like wine or win32 codecs wont run on 64 but os's
[10:39] <zerak> due to compatible issues, most stuff suppport 32-bit while 64-bits is not as often supported
[10:39] <dwidmann> iroc: yes they can
[10:39] <zerak> wine is open-source, support 64-bit
[10:39] <Jared555> at one time you had to have a 32 bit chroot for openoffice but that probably has changed
[10:40] <dwidmann> Jared555: that must have been a long while back
[10:40] <iroc> o well, i got a brand new 64 bit box and all 32 bit OSs dont run well (very slow)
[10:40] <Jared555> it wouldn't compile on 64 bit around a year ago
[10:40] <iroc> so ill have to take the loss of app compatibility
[10:41] <zerak> anyone got any solution that works for getting ut2004 to run with sound, lots of guides but none that work
[10:41] <dwidmann> jared555: required some extra 32-bit libs ... I never bothered compiling it myself, Breezy came with it ....
[10:41] <BluesKaj> iroc , there must be something else wrong
[10:41] <cntb> hmm strange ! opera is grayed disabled in adept .why ?
[10:43] <iroc> i have no clue blue
[10:43] <zerak> can one check which card /dev/dsp is linked to?
[10:43] <Jared555> lets see... running FC2, Gentoo, Kubuntu live cd, XPx3 (hopefully going to be only one system soon....), and vista right now.... room is going to be 90F soon probably
[10:44] <Jared555> switched the laptop back to XP and keep running out of memory running about the same stuff (had to flip it to windows :( )
[10:45] <Jared555> brb
[10:46] <BluesKaj> the whole line in adept ot just the install remove box , cntb ?
[10:48] <daleach> guys i have nvidia-glx drivers installed but my glxinfo | grep direct gets ...direct rendering no...does anyone else have this problem? i'm also in XGL and have beryl installed i don't know what's going on some similar problems on line haven't found a solution
[10:48] <econthrust> until fiesty i use synaptic in kde too, maybe u can install opera there, but still sudo apt-get opera helps a lot ^^
[10:48] <bbeck_> I accidentally hit some keys while in kpdf, and now the thumbnails of each page are gone from the left hand side of the screen.  Does anyone know a way to bring them back?  Thanks.
[10:48] <daleach> also my glxinfo | grep direct ....had yes.....and then i upgraded to edgy
[10:49] <daleach> i think I lost that right after the upgrade...
[10:49] <BluesKaj> daleach, if yer running beryl , DRI is defeated
[10:50] <daleach> ok i just found a page that said... i needed DRI in the xorg.conf
[10:50] <daleach> in order for glx to work
[10:50] <daleach> so when i did the install of beryl .....i'm using that custom glx right?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> daleach, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[10:51] <daleach> off of his repository... and no DRI ?
[10:51] <daleach> well i'm on nvidia but ok thanks
[10:51] <BluesKaj> ok , sorry thought you were ATI
[10:51] <daleach> i'll take ur word for the DRI being defeated thing hehe
[10:51] <daleach> should i remove it then from xorg.conf or ok to leave it in there?
[10:52] <daleach> i have load dri and glx ...
[10:52] <BluesKaj> not necessarily with nvidia drivers
[10:52] <daleach> funny thing is my beryl works and all
[10:52] <BluesKaj> do glxinfo
[10:52] <daleach> hehe... problem is my beryl-manager loads beryl-glx as opposed to "beryl" ......."beryl-glx" doesn't work for me... "beryl" nicely cooperates and seizes kde
[10:53] <cntb> audio/x-wav plugin wont launch help
[10:53] <daleach> what about glxinfo
[10:53] <daleach> 2 days ago it had direct rendering: Yes
[10:53] <daleach> i'm 100% sure of it
[10:54] <daleach> so yeah ur saying the move to beryl
[10:54] <BluesKaj> that's what happens with Ati . din't know the same would happen with nvidia
[10:54] <daleach> that's fine i mean i don't care what it says provided beryl runs smoothly...which it is ...except i can't get it to start by itself... the one that the manager wants to point to... is broken (funny that if i run beryl on a console alone it works...adn the manager changes its properties the way it should hehe)
[10:55] <alan__> test 1234
[10:56] <zorglu_> q. i got hyperthreading on my CPU (checked via /cpu/procinfo and dmidecode) but the kernel only got 1 cpu in /proc/cpuinfo, what do i need to do to enable hyperthreading ?
[10:56] <daleach> @#$@#4 whyyyyy do they have to use the open source by default sighhhh
[10:56] <daleach> see i thought that the package was using the proprietary
[10:57] <daleach> and they just packaged it up
[10:57] <daleach> guess i was wrong
[10:57] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[10:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, which Ubuntu are you using ?
[10:58] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: edgy kubuntu
[10:58] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, are you running the generic kernel or the 386 one ?
[10:58] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: dunno :)
[10:58] <HymnToLife> uname -r will tell you
[10:58] <zorglu_> $ uname -a
[10:58] <zorglu_> Linux jmehost1 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:58] <zorglu_> twhich one it is ?
[10:59] <zorglu_> generic or i386 ?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> all right, apt-get install linux-image-generic
[10:59] <HymnToLife> it's the 386
[10:59] <HymnToLife> and you're not up-to-date
[10:59] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: and the new kernel is supposed to pickup hyperthreading automatically ?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> the generic one does
[11:00] <HymnToLife> the fact that you're not up-do-date has nothing to do with HT support
[11:00] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok what is the difference between a kernel 'i386' and a generic one ?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> zorglu_, in a nutshell, the 386 one is designed to run enven on 15 years old CPUs
[11:01] <HymnToLife> so it lacks the optimizations for newer stuff
[11:01] <HymnToLife> like SMP
[11:01] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok and the generic one is what compared to that ?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> it has it all
[11:01] <HymnToLife> !generic
[11:01] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[11:01] <zorglu_> thanks
[11:04] <Jared555> is there any way to install kubuntu to software raid5 arrays?
[11:04] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: ok i read it, and im upgrading, thanks for your help :)
[11:04] <HymnToLife> !raids
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raids - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <HymnToLife> !raid
[11:04] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[11:06] <Jared555> also, is there any more reliable way to install kubuntu than the graphical interface you can hit on the desktop?
[11:06] <HymnToLife> !alterante | Jared555
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alterante - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <HymnToLife> !alternate | Jared555
[11:06] <ubotu> Jared555: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:06] <Woosta> Bah! Did the dist-upgrade to 6.10 .. and it all got uglier! FF and T'bird have menu problems, the anti-aliasing on fonts looks shite. Whatever fonts I had before have either been re-created to look uglier.
[11:07] <Woosta> Sure, the splash is rather pretty, but after that .. all downhill
[11:11] <zorglu_> HymnToLife: back on generic kernel, booted, and /proc/cpuinfo still show only one cpu.. any hint on where should i look ?
[11:11] <zorglu_> $ dmesg | grep disabled
[11:11] <zorglu_> [17179570.128000]  CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled
[11:11] <zorglu_> blaaa:)
[11:12] <zorglu_> http://osrevolution.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/hyper-threading-come-abilitarlo-su-ubuntudebian/ <- ok all is here :)
[11:12] <zorglu_> ht=on has to be added to the boot line
[11:12] <zorglu_> not that i speak spanish :)
[11:14] <zorglu_> rebooting to try :)
[11:17] <cntb> why audio/x-wav is so probematic on firefox ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> cntb, what is audio/x-wav for FF ?
[11:20] <zorglu_> $ cat /proc/cmdline
[11:20] <zorglu_> root=UUID=47ce3414-a305-4b63-a512-62eaa7d732cd ro ht=on quiet splash
[11:20] <zorglu_> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flag
[11:20] <zorglu_> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe up cid xtpr
[11:20] <Morbo> !pastebin | zorglu_
[11:20] <ubotu> zorglu_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:20] <zorglu_> but still no ht :) evil evil computer :)
[11:20] <cntb> BluesKaj: ?
[11:21] <zorglu_> anybody with hyperthreading enable who will do a "cat /proc/cmdline" for me ? :)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> cntb, do you have the mplayer plugin for FF ; http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[11:23] <faLUCE> hi, I have installed the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel with RTAI patch. after rebooting i can't start X server... any tips? thnks
[11:23] <cntb> pls just try this in FF http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?arcane01.wav=arcane
[11:23] <cntb> BluesKaj: I think yes
[11:23] <BluesKaj> cntb, yes i hear it
[11:24] <cntb> good BluesKaj how did you do it
[11:24] <cntb> save my day pls BluesKaj
[11:25] <Kotter> anyone can help on how to get my intel wireless running? using kubuntu, installed via ndiswrapper
[11:25] <BluesKaj> do you have the application/x-google-vlc-plugin for FF , i think it's the one you neeed
[11:25] <cntb> in /etc BluesKaj I have
[11:25] <cntb> and you talked about mplayer which was installed thru mozilla-mplayer I think
[11:26] <cntb> blueskaj where do I look for application/x-google-vlc-plugin
[11:26] <cntb> also should I kdesu firefox ?
[11:26] <ubuntu23> Kotter Keep asking
[11:27] <cntb> BluesKaj: what if I want plugins systemwide not only current user's
[11:27] <Kotter> alright
[11:27] <Kotter> i installed ndiswrapper and the drivers which are compatible with it
[11:28] <Kotter> and it all works out fine, i'm just missing the device as such ;)
[11:28] <Kotter> it won't get detected
[11:28] <cntb> BluesKaj:  take a look at this http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/06/23/vlcs-nsplugin-taking-the-way-of-the-sea-monkey
[11:28] <ubuntu23> try using the device database
[11:28] <ubuntu23> kotter: are you missing the drivers?
[11:28] <Kotter> drivers are instaled perfectly fine
[11:29] <ubuntu23> umm go into networks
[11:29] <ubuntu23> did ou activate it
[11:29] <Kotter> yepp, sure did so
[11:29] <ubuntu> there is no bootloader configuration options for the installation? !??!?!?!?!
[11:29] <Kotter> i also got XP running on the same machine, it works fine there, samedrivers
[11:30] <ubuntu23> Kotter: in termanal type ifconfig
[11:30] <cntb> BluesKaj:
[11:30] <ubuntu23> paste what ever you get here and place the link
[11:30] <ubuntu23>  how to get my intel wireless running?
[11:30] <ubuntu23> !
[11:30] <ubuntu23> !paste
[11:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:30] <jeremyb> Guys , I see I am on step 6of6 of the installation and I didnt get to configure the bootloader? is it going to let me do this?
[11:30] <fanscore> !fr
[11:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:30] <Kotter> thx a lot :)
[11:31] <ubuntu23> Kotter what you get i ifconfig put into the pastebin
[11:31] <ubuntu23> Kotter: or did you get it to work
[11:32] <BluesKaj> cntb, you check your plugis in FF by typing ' about:plugins' in the addressbar
[11:32] <vegasmcpc> hey guys, getting this error trying to open adept
[11:32] <vegasmcpc> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[11:32] <Kotter> hold on just a sec, gf's calling *rolleyes* ;)
[11:33] <ubuntu23> did you get it towrk >Kotter
[11:33] <zorglu_> !adept crash fix | vegasmcpc
[11:33] <ubotu> vegasmcpc: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:34] <cntb> BluesKaj: checked that too few there
[11:34] <ubuntu23> also Kotter Is Kubuntu support your wireless
[11:34] <cntb> flash plugin there
[11:35] <cntb> helix real plugin there BluesKaj
[11:35] <Kotter> yeah, found it on the sourceforge.net page for ndiswrapper
[11:35] <jeremyb> Guys , I see I am on step 6of6 of the installation and I didnt get to configure the bootloader? is it going to let me do this? It installs grub/lilo totally automaticlly!?!?
[11:35] <ubuntu23> KotterL: so your problems solved?
[11:36] <cntb> jeremyb: grub
[11:36] <jeremyb> thats realy scary
[11:36] <BluesKaj> cntb, mplayer plugin for wm and quicktime etc
[11:36] <jeremyb> i dont get to configure?
[11:36] <Kotter> nope, i meant my wireless card is supported
[11:36] <cntb> you want dual boot scenario jer
[11:36] <jeremyb> yes
[11:36] <Kotter> only porlbme with posting the ifconfig is, it'd be in german ;)
[11:36] <ubuntu23> Kotter: what is the name of your wireless card
[11:36] <jeremyb> im just gunna have to boot and configure grub then?
[11:36] <Kotter> intel proWireless 2200BG
[11:36] <ubuntu23> Kotter lol that would be a problem
[11:37] <jeremyb> it just seems odd they didnt let me choose in the installation its almost scary it mess with my mbr automagiclly
[11:37] <cntb> nope
[11:37] <Kotter> guessed so
[11:37] <Kotter> but shoulldnt there be an entry like wlan0 or something?
[11:37] <Kotter> bc all i get is eth0 & eth1 & lo
[11:38] <zorglu_> Kotter: i got exactly this one and it works out of the box here
[11:38] <zorglu_> Kotter: no ndiswrapper or anything
[11:38] <Kotter> what driver did ya use?
[11:38] <cntb> BluesKaj: wait I am on dapper maybe I have FF2 and old FF which takes defaults
[11:39] <BluesKaj> cntb , you need the mplayer plugin to play wm and wav files , i think..  http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[11:39] <ubuntu23> kotter im not sure if this would be a help but here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13576/
[11:39] <zorglu_> Kotter: unclear because it got detected automatically
[11:39] <ubuntu23> Brb got to check on my upgrade
[11:39] <zorglu_> Kotter: it was automatic in dapper too
[11:39] <zorglu_> [17179592.676000]  ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection <- Kotter
[11:39] <Kotter> thx u23, lemme just read through that
[11:40] <zorglu_> ipw2000
[11:41] <ubuntu23> !wireless >Kotter
[11:41] <ubuntu23> !wireless
[11:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:41] <zorglu_> ok i will leave without hyperthreading :)
[11:41] <Kotter> thx a lot, will read that stuf :)
[11:42] <zorglu_> i wonder how come my stuff is autodetected and yours are not
[11:42] <zorglu_> especially i got this one on a cheap laptop :)
[11:42] <ubuntu23> he is running Kubuntu are you
[11:42] <zorglu_> yep
[11:42] <ubuntu23> hmm i dont know maybe he didnt install correctly or something
[11:42] <zorglu_> even on dapper, it was autodetected out of the box
[11:42] <Kotter> yes i am
[11:43] <angasule> hmm, I just noticed I don't have 'kmail' in the k-menu, what's with that?
[11:43] <zorglu_> angasule: it is 'kontact' now
[11:43] <ubuntu23> Kotter im me if you need more help
[11:44] <jeremyb> kubuntu uses a modular 2.6 kernel?
[11:44] <angasule> zorglu_: nope, kontact runs the agenda thing
[11:44] <Kotter> will do so, thx a lot
[11:44] <zorglu_> angasule: and many more, just try it :)
[11:45] <marcobellido> we
[11:45] <angasule> zorglu_: I like it lean and mean, running 'kmail' directly runs just kmail
[11:46] <zorglu_> !info kmail
[11:46] <ubotu> kmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[11:46] <zorglu_> here we go :)
[11:46] <zorglu_> you can save 1 click :)
[11:46] <angasule> zorglu_: kmail comes installed, actually
[11:47] <zorglu_> yep, i told you :)
[11:47] <angasule> zorglu_: try to install kmail, it'll say it's already installed
[11:47] <ubuntu23> !wireless
[11:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:47] <zorglu_> it is called kontact :))
[11:47] <angasule> kontact includes kmail as a kpart, I guess, but they're not quite the same
[11:47] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> gah kmail
[11:48] <spinz8r> !firewall
[11:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:48] <ubuntu23> gl >Kotter
[11:48] <BluesKaj> thunderbird ..easier to setup and use
[11:49] <angasule> thunderbird is too gnome-like, the buttons are in the wrong place, I tell my parents to use it, but I won't (I switched them to FF and TB on windows, now they use kubuntu)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> angasule, so did i ...i'm prolly the same age as yer parents :)
[11:50] <cntb> BluesKaj: I forgot about old FF1.x
[11:50] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> switched from windows
[11:51] <angasule> BluesKaj: probably a decade younger :) my dad is 60
[11:51] <visik7> hi
[11:51] <visik7> does anyone noticed that the history plugin of kopete doesn't color old text as setted in the config panel ?
[11:53] <cntb> BluesKaj: I have /opt/firefox/plugins
[11:53] <hallgeo> hello
[11:53] <cntb> BluesKaj: how can I list in cline  all files of a package
[11:55] <mitocondrio> hi
[11:55] <BluesKaj> cntb http://gauvain.tuxfamily.org/repos/
[11:55] <mitocondrio> how could I go into italian channel???
[11:55] <BluesKaj> !it
[11:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:01] <ubuntu23> !en
[12:01] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[12:01] <Helpee> Hi can somebody tell me how I can change the screen resolution with konsole?
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !konsole >Helpe
[12:02] <yaccin> is linux-image-generic, -386 or -lowlatency better for me?
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !konsole
[12:02] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !screen
[12:02] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[12:02] <ubuntu23> !screenresolution
[12:02] <yaccin> !kernel
[12:02] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:03] <Helpee> !resolution
[12:03] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> ok, i just set up a raid5 array, and it seems that the sync process is stuck
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> the speed keeps going slower and slower
[12:07] <vegasmcpc> it was at like 50m/sec, now it's down below 900k/s
[12:08] <vegasmcpc> it's going slower every time that i try to check it
[12:09] <cpk1> then dont check it? =P
[12:10] <kibbuntu> buonasera!!!
[12:11] <kibbuntu> i have one problem with kubuntu edgy eft...
[12:11] <Kotter> hey guys, anyone aware where i can get hotplug for kubuntu?
[12:11] <kibbuntu> when i start kopete my pc freeze
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> kibbuntu: which is what?
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> hm
[12:11] <vegasmcpc> odd
[12:11] <kibbuntu> and i can't do anything
[12:11] <kibbuntu> and i have to reboot^_^
[12:12] <vegasmcpc> try removing it with adept, restarting, and then reinstalling it
[12:12] <cpk1> kibbuntu: you cant even go to tty1?
[12:12] <kibbuntu> no...
[12:12] <flaccid> hey guys i'm on dapper, what should i use to be like cool video wise like vista. so like beryl, compiz, agl, xgl, huh um yeah?
[12:13] <flaccid> !beryl
[12:13] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:13] <kibbuntu> would i try cpk1?
[12:13] <kibbuntu> and start from tty?


[01:48] <GALL0> Ubuntu 16.04.1 server, no GUI. edit `/etc/samba/smb.conf`  with http://pastebin.com/Rb5rVSU7 at the end. restarted samba service, can't connect via finder/OS X
[01:52] <sarnold> GALL0: check logs on both systems
[01:54] <GALL0> error	19:54:03.076550 -0600	kernel	loginwindow is not entitled
[01:54] <GALL0> error	19:54:03.076678 -0600	kernel	UserEventAgent is not entitled
[01:55] <GALL0> on mac
[02:00] <GALL0> what log would it be in ubunu?
[02:04] <tomreyn> /var/log/syslog i guess
[02:04] <sarnold> sorry, it's been ages since I've dealt with samba issues.. look around for nmbd or smbd logs, auth logs, etc..
[02:04] <patdk-lap> or one of the many samba log files
[02:05] <patdk-lap> who knows, cause samba names it all kinds of crazy things, based on the name and ip of your mac
[02:05] <sarnold> I suspect those mac events aren't related to the issue, they feel kinda vague and unrelated
[02:05] <sarnold> heh so true
[02:06] <sarnold> it can fail at basically all levels of the networking stack. it's not an easy thing to troubleshoot
[02:06] <patdk-lap> ya, I found mine failing in odd ways
[02:07] <patdk-lap> I can copy files to and from mine
[02:07] <patdk-lap> but I cannot mount the drive
[02:07] <sarnold> *snort*
[02:07] <patdk-lap> log fails, due to unsupported encryption data connection
[02:07] <sarnold> where do you even start? :)
[02:07] <patdk-lap> the samba host doesn't do encrypted data, only signed
[02:07] <patdk-lap> and I have enforce encryption set on all the machines
[02:07] <patdk-lap> funny it even works at all
[02:08] <patdk-lap> that system just needs to be upgraded
[02:10] <GALL0> var/../log.smbd https://hastebin.com/gusuzobicu.pas
[02:14] <sarnold> that's it? that's .. not much to work with.
[02:14] <GALL0> new install
[02:14] <GALL0> syslog only has services started/stopped
[02:15] <sarnold> you can try something like tail -F /var/log/* and try the operation again, that might give you something to work with. Without a concrete error message from _something_ you're basically lost.
[02:23] <GALL0> well, seems like someone is trying to brute force
[02:23] <GALL0> fail2ban and auth.log printing out a lot
[02:23] <sarnold> if it's reachable on the internet, that's practically a given these days
[02:24] <tomreyn> that's gonna be ssh. hopefully you dont have samba shares on the internet
[02:24] <sarnold> ^^ yes. that. don't put samba on the internet. :)
[02:48] <compdoc> the last man to put samba on the internet became known as PirateBay, and he made millions
[05:48] <charlie2> Have a server I haven't touched in years having problems now.
[05:49] <charlie2> Seems like a disk space utilization issue and can't seem to free up space.  I know I solved this years ago and can't remember what the heck I did.
[05:49] <charlie2> Here's my df - h:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/23692705/
[05:58] <patdk-lap> well, start with, du -shx /*
[05:59] <patdk-lap> and keep moving around based on what you find
[06:31] <charlie2> Thanks.  Looks like a cloud backup program gone awry....
[06:31] <charlie2> Uninstalled and all seems to be good now.
[08:11] <ducasse> i'm setting up exim on 16.04, but all mail is sent from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>even though /etc/mailname is set to domain.com - any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[15:27] <Genk1> what is the best strategy to implement high avaibility in Postfix servers
[15:27] <Genk1> ?
[15:31] <blackflow> what kind of HA do you need specific to Postfix, that's not general HA like a distributed storage + IP failover?
[15:32] <blackflow> also keep in mind that the mail protocol is designed for transitional issues so you don't really need 100% uptime, meaning much simpler failover solutions are acceptable
[15:33] <Genk1> blackflow, hmm I see
[15:34] <Genk1> blackflow, so how to implement the first use case you suggested
[15:34] <Genk1> please
[15:35] <ziyourenxiang> set up two instances, point MX at them
[15:35] <blackflow> people use glusterfs in production for storage redundancy in combination with IP failover that is not specific to OS but to the hosting infrastructure. Tools like "heartbeat" help with that.
[15:36] <blackflow> there's also DRBD but I don't know much more about that part.
[15:36] <Genk1> blackflow, I see
[15:37] <Genk1> so you are talking about traditional HA here
[15:37] <blackflow> or simply outsource that to a hosting company that does proper "cloud" service (automatic storage failover + VM migration) so you don't need to think of the hardware at all.
[15:37] <blackflow> Genk1: yeah.
[15:38] <Genk1> blackflow, absulotely right
[15:38] <Genk1> thank you
[16:55] <MASM> there is some command here to skip  user has joined o has quit?
[16:57] <Poster> That would be in your client itself
[16:58] <blackflow> MASM: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[17:01] <MASM> blackflow: Thanks a lot :like:
[17:04] <MASM> Hide Join
[17:04] <MASM> Ç:;S
[17:47] <MASM> :s i use this command to ignore quit and joins /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS
[17:47] <MASM> but it didn't work
[18:41] <MASM> :s hello some one help me, i wan't to ignore 'quit' or 'joined' in this chat i use '/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS'  but it didn't work, and '/ignore #ubuntu-server JOINS PARTS QUITS' but it didn't work
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[23:11] <Smokie> hey guys, got an issue with an ubuntu server im running, for some reason it does not want to resolve any hostnames
[23:11] <Smokie> this is my interface settings https://paste.ubuntu.com/23697252/
[23:18] <patdk-lap> ya, that shouldn't resolve hostnames, need a dns search param
[23:18] <patdk-lap> but I think you mean general dns names
[23:19] <patdk-lap> you *sure* that mtu is right?
[23:19] <patdk-lap> everything on that network has mtu 1492 configured on it?
[23:21] <Smokie> patdk-lap, yeah
[23:21] <Smokie> what do you mean it shouldnt resolve hostnames though?
[23:22] <patdk-lap> a hostname is something like, server1
[23:22] <patdk-lap> a fqdn is what your looking for, server1.example.com
[23:22] <patdk-lap> dns doesn't work with hostnames, unless you use a search param
[23:22] <Smokie> well, it wont resolve google.com with that setting
[23:23] <Smokie> dns-nameservers is the right one, right?
[23:23] <patdk-lap> "search Search list for host-name lookup."
[23:23] <patdk-lap> what does /etc/resolv.conf contain?
[23:23] <Smokie> patdk-lap, nothing.. it says not to manually edit that file
[23:24] <patdk-lap> you do have in that file, auto eth0, somewhere right?
[23:24] <patdk-lap> or did a ifup eth0 manually?
[23:24] <Smokie> i just checked, yes :p
[23:25] <Smokie> im connected to the server using that ip actually
[23:25] <Smokie> ssh
[23:25] <patdk-lap> is /etc/resolv.conf a link?
[23:25] <patdk-lap> just cause your using that ip and it's configured that way, doesn't mean it was not manually configured cause that file didn't work :)
[23:26] <patdk-lap> well, if /etc/resolv.conf is a link and it sounds like it probably is
[23:27] <Smokie> patdk-lap, here is the full file https://paste.ubuntu.com/23697290/
[23:27] <patdk-lap> I can only help more with a complete unedited /etc/network/interfaces file
[23:28] <patdk-lap> I guess it might be something with the ipv6 address
[23:28] <patdk-lap> it's not in an ipv6 section at all, it might be syntax checking it
[23:28] <patdk-lap> since it's not valid for the ipv4 config block
[23:29] <Smokie> i tried without it, will try again now
[23:31] <Smokie> still says ping: unknown host google.com
[23:31] <patdk-lap> how did you test?
[23:31] <patdk-lap> ifdown/ifup, or reboot?
[23:32] <Smokie>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:32] <patdk-lap> hmm, strange, that has never been supported, and I don't think has worked since 12.04
[23:34] <Smokie> this is 12.04.5 hehehe
[23:42] <Smokie> no dice


[21:28] <tarvid_> any suggestions for lighting a fire under virginia?
[21:31] <tsimonq2> tarvid_: you mean the Local Community Team?
[21:45] <tarvid_> yes
[21:52] <tsimonq2> tarvid_: have you looked over this page yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirginiaTeam
[22:07] <tarvid_> that is me on the list
[22:09] <tsimonq2> tarvid_: try sending an email to the team mailing list
[22:11] <tarvid_> I'll do that. It should be ubuntu-us-va
[22:11] <tarvid_> Thanks
[22:12] <tsimonq2> tarvid_: no problem, let us know how it goes :)


[21:10] <sqemishozifrage> I have a problem with UNR that I posted in #ubuntu that has been passed over several times, and I've filed a bug related to the issue. Would anyone in here be willing to help me with it?