[17:28] <Redbeardt> Jesus christ.  All I did was run an update and now whenever I switch over to my discrete GPU, I get nothing but a console caret on boot, but I can hear the login sound.
[17:28] <Redbeardt> Fine on the Intel though.
[17:28] <OerHeks> BlackHat, this is ubuntu support only
[17:28] <mrfx99> OerHeks: What about if I want to install windows on that drive? Don't have to format it first, right?
[17:29] <BlackHat> Im Sorry 0erHeks
[17:29] <OerHeks> mrfx99, i don't think so, to be sure ask in ##windows
[17:31] <mrfx99> OerHeks: ok
[17:32] <OerHeks> Redbeardt, i own no dual gpu, maybe you can login tty32, and reverse gpu setting?
[17:32] <OerHeks> c/tty2
[17:33] <Redbeardt> Yeah I've been doing that every time I try something and the login fails to display. I just jump into tty2 and do a sudo prime-select intel
[17:33] <OerHeks> stop that dcc BlackHat,
[17:33] <Redbeardt> and reboot
[17:34] <Redbeardt> I don't even know what logs I ought to look at to diagnose :(
[17:36] <bigboywithabigto> my xubuntu install sometimes randomly freezes and is unresponsive until it's hard rebooted (by holding down the power button)
[17:36] <bigboywithabigto> does anyone know what logs I should be looking at to find out what's going on?
[17:36] <OerHeks> Redbeardt, i read you can switch sudo prime-select intel <> sudo prime-select nvidia
[17:36] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: What CPU are u running?
[17:37] <bigboywithabigto> intel i7-5500U
[17:37] <bigboywithabigto> it's a an ASUS lappy btw
[17:38] <Redbeardt> DerHeks, I don't understand what you mean. I have been switching to nvidia with that very command every time I try to implement a fix. That's how I activate my discrete GPU.
[17:38] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: Had the same issue with my thinkpad. Check this thread if your CPU is affected. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051
[17:38] <Redbeardt> DerHeks, you have to log out and back in after you use prime-select, so it's not like I can sneak in with intel then switch to nvidia.
[17:39] <Redbeardt> This optimus tech is a POS honestly and I definitely regret getting a lappy with it.
[17:39] <OerHeks> Redbeardt, with the gui tool in systemsettengs you should be able too, i have no clue why your intel does not work proper
[17:39] <OerHeks> i know, and feel the pain with dual gpu :-(
[17:39] <Redbeardt> DerHeks, the intel is fine. The nvidia is not.
[17:39] <bigboywithabigto> dimitris, thanks I'll have a look at that
[17:39] <OerHeks> one option would be disable the 2nd totally in bios
[17:40] <Redbeardt> DerHeks, I don't even think my BIOS has that option, but in any case that would leave me worse off given that I can't see the login screen when using the nvidia. Without the intel, right not the computer would be unusable.
[17:40] <Redbeardt> right now*
[17:40] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: You could also try running "journalctl --since=today" after the crash and see the logs for any indication of what might have gone wrong.
[17:42] <Redbeardt> I guess I'll try downgrading my driver or something..
[17:47] <bigboywithabigto> dimitris, thanks
[17:47] <bigboywithabigto> the thread you linked seems to be referring to the same problem
[17:48] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: Yes is an ongoing issue for some time now!
[17:48] <bigboywithabigto> I'm going to see if I can use any of the workarounds that were posted there and I'll have a look at the logs next time it freezes
[17:52] <arubi> hello all, what's a proper way to handle "W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192" on `apt-get update` on trusty server amd64?  this happens on a fresh iso install, on a 14.04.2 container, and netinstall iso would not even begin to download the packages
[17:53] <bigboywithabigto> dimitris, have you experienced this problem? did you find any of the workarounds satisfactory? cheers
[17:53] <alkisg> arubi: just update it to all the latest packages
[17:53] <arubi> alkisg, I just did dist-upgrade and reboot, it still happens on apt-get update
[17:55] <arubi> also what would netinstall users do?  only reason I even downloaded the full .iso is because netinstall wouldn't work and I thought the container was broken somehow :)
[17:55] <Honkii> clean / update / upgrade / auto remove / clean
[17:55] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: I am having the exact issue with random freezes on my Thinkpad 11e laptop. I've been trying various distros and various kernels on my arch installation but all exhibit the same issue sooner or later. I am currently running kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and its been about 5 hrs without any lockups.
[17:55] <arubi> Honkii, running
[17:56] <alkisg> arubi: afaik that issue was solved in some recent apt version, and I guess it was backported to 14.04 as well... sorry I don't know more about that warning, but it shouldn't affect netinstall etc
[17:56] <Honkii> I run ubuntu on t450s - no problems so far with locks up
[17:56] <Honkii> arubi : reboot after also - forgot to mention that
[17:56] <dimitris> Honkii: it only seems to affect certain CPUs (baytrail from what I've read)
[17:57] <Honkii> ooooh yea - forgot that its atom
[17:57] <Honkii> my bad
[17:57] <ph88^> can someone help me setup an ssh tunnel ?
[17:58] <bigboywithabigto> dimitris, good luck
[17:58] <arubi> Honkii, that seemed to solve it. thanks.  alkisg, netinstall would simply not even start downloading the release.  I tried different mirrors too
[17:58] <dimitris> bigboywithabigto: you too.
[17:58] <bigboywithabigto> I'm a bit of a linux noob so I hope you don't mind me waiting out and seeing how you do before mucking around with anything myself :)
[17:58] <Honkii> 50 bucks - call it even
[17:59] <arubi> :)
[18:03] <elosz> hello, when i do apt-get install, i get 404 not founds even when i can ping google.com
[18:03] <elosz> how do i fix that?
[18:04] <teward> elosz: exact error messages would be nice, if you can, put it on paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link
[18:04] <dax> elosz: have you done sudo apt-get update recently?
[18:04] <dax> if so, what teward said
[18:04] <elosz> nope dax
[18:05] <elosz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23094328/
[18:05] <teward> dax: still seeing the errors either way is better
[18:05] <teward> elosz: apt-get update
[18:05] <teward> elosz: after the apt-get update, try and install again
[18:06] <elosz> silly me. it worked, thanks teward and dax
[18:32] <tdiesel_> Hello
[18:47] <nacc> The[void]: sorry, was afk -- i'm not sure, tbh
[18:48] <sorin-mihai> anyone here built a datacenter from scratch using ubuntu?
[18:48] <nacc> arubi: why would you use 14.04.2?
[18:49] <arubi> nacc, that's the version the container came with, I was trying to upgrade
[18:50] <arubi> I then tried netinstall for a normal vm, but then couldn't begin downloading the release
[18:50] <nacc> arubi: well, that's sad, because 14.04.2 is no longer supported -- 14.04.0/1/5 are the options
[18:50] <nacc> arubi: not sure what you mean by "container came with", is this on a local system?
[18:51] <arubi> nacc, proxmox ve.  it comes with some preconfigured templates
[18:52] <nacc> i see.
[18:53] <arubi> I figured I shouldn't invest too much thought into the container, but netinstall failing and then the same warning on a full iso install was weird, so here I am
[18:53] <nacc> arubi: do you see this with a full iso install of a supported release?
[18:53] <nacc> arubi: just wondering
[18:54] <arubi> yea, just now downloaded from ubuntu.org
[18:54] <arubi> same with the netinstall iso
[18:55] <nacc> arubi: 14.04.5?
[18:55] <arubi> yes,  14.04.5 amd64 server
[18:57] <nacc> arubi: i know nothing about proxmox or what their image is, but with lxd, ubuntu:trusty works fine and emits no errors.
[18:57] <nacc> arubi: that is, what their container image is
[18:58] <arubi> nacc, I agree, that's why I didn't spend time on debugging the container template and went with a full VM using netinstall.iso, but that _couldn't_ even beging downloading the release because of this same warning
[18:58] <arubi> so I figured, okay, Mossad is after me.  I'll get the full .iso, nope.  same warning
[18:59] <nacc> arubi: strange, i'm not sure -- are you doing any kind of special install?
[18:59] <arubi> only check marked ssh server
[18:59] <arubi> well, star marked I guess
[19:03] <nacc> arubi: hrm, not sure why that would be happening
[19:04] <Guest696969> Hi folks..quick sanity check please. Is it safe to assume ALL partition schemes can be erased by wiping the first sectors of a block device? For ex, suppose I dd the first 2Mb of a SATA. That would wipe any part info correct?
[19:04] <Guest696969> dd with /dev/zero that is. :)
[19:05] <wsky> 2mb is too much
[19:06] <wsky> also i'm not sure about gpt
[19:06] <arubi> nacc, alkisg suggested that it was a known issue that was fixed, but I guess apt is set to fail on warnings for netinstall?  I also guess that if I would've followed Honkii's solution for the container, it would've worked
[19:08] <Guest696969> wsky, I realize I could do first 512 but I threw out 2Mb just in case my understanding of today's schemes is antiquated.
[19:08] <Guest696969> wsky, thanks tho.. im not sure about gpt either
[19:08] <wsky> then you probably plown the beginning of your first partition too
[19:11] <Guest696969> plown?
[19:11] <wsky> plown or plowed
[19:11] <wsky> unsure about the past form of "plow"
[19:12]  * wsky not a native english speaker, pardon
[19:12] <Guest696969> Heh ok. I'm not in a situation to do this, I was just curious if the first bytes of a block device is where part info is stored is all.
[19:12] <Guest696969> I might hit up reddit/r/sysadmin and ask in there
[19:12] <wsky> well what you wiped out is the partition table
[19:12] <Guest696969> wsky, all good. :)
[19:12] <Guest696969> wsky, yes I know.
[19:12] <wsky> and the boot sector
[19:12] <wsky> and the begiining of your first partition
[19:13] <wsky> so you basically broke the filesystem too
[19:13] <wsky> :)
[19:13] <wsky> there are much more convinient ways to wipe the partition table out
[19:14] <FunkSt8r_> Guest696969: testdisk can still recover the part info if that's what your trying to avoid
[19:16] <Guest696969> FunkSt8r_, true. I am just being theoretical.. I ran into someone who thought dding the whole device would ensure they could dd an .iso to a /dev/sdX. I told them they're wasting their time. Still, I wanted a sanity check if part info is still stored in the beginning areas of a block device.
[19:16] <OerHeks> Guest696969, the MBR bootsector is bs=446, GPT is 64+64+128 per entry and some bytes more > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GUID_Partition_Table
[19:16] <OerHeks> so 1 mb will do
[19:16] <Guest696969> OerHeks, thanks!
[19:16] <Bashing-om> Guest696969: Curiosity satisfied: https://iam.tj/kb/pc/boot/#a_bootloader .
[19:16] <Guest696969> in your opinion, is that for all of today's part schemes?
[19:16] <Guest696969> Bashing-om, cheers..
[19:18] <Guest696969> Yup. URL answered that. Have a good day folks.
[19:18]  * Guest696969 is idling.
[19:19] <raketensilo> Where to find a php7.0-zts ubuntu package? Are there any readymade rpm like in centos/rhel?
[19:19] <halothane> greetings.
[19:20] <OerHeks> raketensilo, answer why not: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0/+bug/1578352
[19:20] <Bricker> Ubuntu 14.04.5 Desktop version: Not finding a clear way to use my usb wifi adapters over internal. lsusb shows both external USB adapters listed, but thats about as far as I can get, to get them to work. google isnt showing me much help on the subject either
[19:20] <OerHeks> not in 16.04 anyway
[19:21] <Cypher-Punk> Is Ubuntu based on Debian?
[19:21] <nacc> Cypher-Punk: yes
[19:22] <halothane> would anyone here be willing to kindly provide support on issues with internet connection on 14.04?
[19:22] <mario3154> I have been trying to find help on installing tar.xz files on ubuntu and i cant find any thing, any help?
[19:22] <halothane> I run into a few issues after updating a pre-installed machine.
[19:23] <nacc> mario3154: tar.xz files are just tarball archives with a specific compression; there's no generic way to install such a thing (you could untar it easily, but what you do next depends)
[19:24] <Guest696969> Cypher-Punk, yep.
[19:24] <Cypher-Punk> Thanks nacc and Guest696969.
[19:25] <Guest696969> Bricker, just out of curiosity have you tried a live 16.04 to determine if it works in 16.04? If it does you might need a newer kernel(as an easy fix that is).
[19:25] <Bricker> Guest696969 i dont have a machine for it, unfortunately i had to downgrade and use 14.04 because of a piece of software we needed on here doesnt support 16.04, so i dont know the answers. I just bought two adapters from micro center that both showed linux support according to google
[19:26] <Bricker> i thought it would be as simple as plug n play
[19:26] <Bricker> but that doesnt seem to be the case
[19:26] <Guest696969> Bricker, you are running 14.04 after all.
[19:26] <Archeus_> umm
[19:26] <Archeus_> my mouse has vanished
[19:26] <Archeus_> but is workinh
[19:26] <Bricker> yes, i know
[19:26] <Guest696969> Bricker, what is the make/model of the adapters?
[19:26] <Archeus_> working
[19:26] <nacc> mario3154: please keep responses in the channel -- how would you do what exactly?
[19:27] <Bricker> um
[19:27] <OerHeks> Bricker, check additional drivers
[19:27] <mario3154> how would one decompress a tarball and install it, lets say warthunder
[19:27] <Archeus_> any ways to make it reappear with restarting as something is downloading
[19:27] <Guest696969> OerHeks, geez yes.. never thought Bricker might not have checked there.
[19:27] <Archeus_> ???
[19:27] <on2pk> Hey guys, is it possible to have a VNC Connection between android and Ubuntu over USB?
[19:28] <nacc> mario3154: tar Jxf /path/to/tarball.tar.xz will uncompress it. Note that you might want to run with `tar Jtf tarball.tar.xz` to see what's in the tarball, etc.
[19:28] <Bricker> One is Edimax 3T3R AC1750 (Model EW-7833UAC) the other is ASUS USB-AC56 (AC1300)
[19:28] <Bricker> ive checked additional drivers, nothing shows up
[19:28] <Archeus_> how to make mouse reappear ?
[19:28] <nacc> mario3154: installing it is specific to that application, consult the application website or wherever you got the tarball. Often there is a README or instructions in the tarball
[19:28] <Archeus_> cursor*
[19:28] <Guest696969> Bricker, does ifconfig see either adapter?
[19:29] <Bricker> no, only lsusb
[19:29] <Guest696969> ok
[19:30] <Guest696969> Bricker, does lsusb report the asus as 0b05:17d2 ?
[19:30] <Bricker> let me plug the asus one back in, 1 sec
[19:30] <Bricker> Guest696969: yes, it does
[19:31] <Guest696969> good. read this. http://askubuntu.com/questions/404881/how-do-i-install-an-asus-usb-ac56-wifi-adapter
[19:31] <Guest696969> Bricker, no guarantees but there is info that should clue you into your solution.
[19:31] <Bricker> thanks, ill read now
[19:34] <SnakePlissLA> test
[19:35] <Bricker> it works SnakePlissLA
[19:35] <blackflow> SnakePlissLA: did you escape?
[19:35] <SnakePlissLA> LA was rough.
[19:35] <blackflow> I heard :)
[19:35] <SnakePlissLA> Got out of there in a jiffy.
[19:35] <blackflow> ;)
[19:37] <Bricker> Guest696969 That worked!!! Thanks so much man
[19:37] <Bricker> you rock my socks
[19:40] <Guest696969> Bricker, all good. :)
[19:45] <bulldog> guys check out snapcraft-gui here https://github.com/keshavbhatt/snapcraft-gui
[19:48] <Guest696969> bulldog, mention it in /r/ubuntu
[19:49] <bulldog> Guest696969, ?
[19:50] <OerHeks> bulldog, good work, didn't i read about this in #snappy??
[19:51] <bulldog> OerHeks, am sharing so that more people can reach
[19:52] <bulldog> OerHeks, i posted this in #snappy yeah
[19:52] <OerHeks> bulldog, set out a Q @ askubuntu :-)
[19:52] <OerHeks> more people read there than we can count
[19:52] <Guest696969> bulldog, mention it in http://reddit.com/r/ubuntu
[19:53] <bulldog> OerHeks, ty i will try :)
[19:53] <bulldog> Guest696969, ty i will
[19:53] <Guest696969> bulldog, you can ask www.webupd8.org to review it. Andrew is good about that stuff.
[19:54] <bulldog> Guest696969, tool is under development i will ask him when it will able to perform basic operations , like a snap out :D
[19:55] <JediMaster> hi guys, just had a power cut and my headless ubuntu 16.04 server is failing to boot, getting a grub error: "No such disk" can anyone give me somewhere to start?
[19:55] <bulldog> Guest696969,  currently it can edit save snapcraft file create new project , open old projects , a package manager to manage snaps added today
[19:56] <JediMaster> I have booted into a USB 16.04 bootable stick, I can mount the boot partition (which required a e2fsck), and the lvm partition for the root mounted fine
[19:56] <bulldog> it will take time its a 3 days old project am working few hours only
[19:57] <Guest696969> JediMaster, are you in rescue mode?
[19:58] <Guest696969> JediMaster, i mean.. did it drop you to rescue mode before using usb?
[19:58] <JediMaster> Guest696969, I'm in live mode on the command line
[19:58] <Guest696969> ok, see my refined question ;)
[19:58] <JediMaster> so no
[20:00] <JediMaster> it drops to grub rescue mode if I leave it to boot, but I don't have the rescue mode on this usb stick, "try ubuntu without installing", "install ubuntu" and "check disc for defects"
[20:01] <JediMaster> Grub fails to load far enough to offer the normal options
[20:03] <xenialmess> how to purge pesky scopes and lenses like facebook and flickr?  upon usual commands is returning unable to find...
[20:04] <OerHeks> xenialmess, install synaptic, detailed softwarecenter
[20:06] <xenialmess> sure running synaptics.  where are relevant packages?  flickr, facebook, and shotwell
[20:08] <OerHeks> xenialmess, search for account-plugin
[20:08] <xenialmess> ok.  once these are purged will the lenses still remain under dash plugins?
[20:09] <OerHeks> maybe you need to logout/login again ..
[20:09] <OerHeks> not sure, try it?
[20:10] <xenialmess> yeah.  actually have already purged the account plugins and logged out and in and lenses still showing
[20:11] <akik> bloomberg.com, autoplay videos
[20:12] <akik> oops sorry wrong chan
[20:12] <captaincool> I am new fish here ;)
[20:14] <xenialmess> damn.  these lenses just won't give up
[20:15] <gdt> i need some help with samba
[20:19] <lee2> I have a question about ifupdown, if someone can help my dns-nameserver isn't populating resol.conf
[20:23] <jatt> why should it?
[20:24] <OerHeks> :-)
[20:24] <lee2> jatt i changed my settings /etc/network/interfaces
[20:24] <lee2> Adding a static IP address
[20:25] <OerHeks> lee2, that way it will be overwritten by networkmanager.
[20:25] <akik> lee2: it should be dns-nameservers
[20:25] <OerHeks> use networkmanager, or manually editing /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base as you would normally edit /etc/resolv.conf
[20:26] <lee2> akik I do have it as dns-dnsnameservers
[20:28] <lee2> OerHeks it says do not edit tihs file by hand -- Your changes will be overwritten
[20:31] <lee2> OerHeks i'm not trying to use NetworkManager
[20:32] <lee2> the problem i'm having I can't get DNS to resolve. But I can ping address outside of my network
[20:32] <OerHeks> "it says do not edit tihs file by hand " is not true.
[20:33] <OerHeks> for /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base that is
[20:33] <OerHeks> but you mixing up the interfaces file i guess.
[20:33] <Bashing-om> lee2: A thought : /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf . did you tell the system "you" would manage networking; ' managed=true ' ?
[20:34] <OerHeks> that would be a solution, or removing networkmanager.
[20:34] <lee2> Bashing-om First it was at false, and then I set it to true, and then I set it back to false
[20:35] <lee2> OerHeks so your saying to edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file?
[20:35] <lee2> OerHeks2 It's ok to do that
[20:35] <lee2> OerHeks I still want networkmanager you should be able to have both co-exist
[20:36] <Bashing-om> lee2: "true" says you manage networking . whereas "false" then network-manger has authority .
[20:36] <OerHeks> why not set it in networkmanager, all this trouble for such simple task by design
[20:37] <lee2> Bashing-om ok. Thanks for explaining
[20:37] <OerHeks> the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file would be a safe way to set priority.
[20:37] <OerHeks> * even with networkmanager AFAIK
[20:38] <lee2> OerHeks True, and i'm connected now by going through NetworkManager I just wanted to try the other way. And when it wasn't working, that is DNS, I was just trying to figure it out
[20:38] <Seveas> lee2: if all you need is NetworkManager not to mess with resolv.conf, set dns=none in Netwoekranager.conf
[20:38] <lee2> Seveas ok, will try. Thanks
[20:39] <lee2> Seveas Right now it is set to dnsmasq
[20:40] <mixxit> hi guys
[20:40] <mixxit> can i ask an elemntaryos question here
[20:40] <mixxit> that other channel is dead
[20:40] <Seveas> mixxit: no.
[20:41] <mixxit> damn my pc is locking up every few minutes
[20:41] <Seveas> install Ubuntu :-)
[20:44] <lee2> Seveas in the /etc/network/interfaces can you set the dns to use dnsmasq?
[20:44] <Seveas> lee2: not if you disable it in NetworkManager.conf
[20:45] <lee2> Seveas so what would the line look like in the etc/network/interface file? dns=dnsmasq under the gateway?
[20:46] <anonymous> hola
[20:46] <Seveas> lee2: no, nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>, which NetworkManager will put there if you let it manage the file
[20:48] <lee2> Seveas oh ok. So nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> is pointing to NetworkManager?
[20:48] <Seveas> no, that points to the dnsmasq instance managed by networkmanager
[20:48] <lee2> Seveas thanks
[20:50] <trm> hey
[20:50] <Seveas> ho
[20:51] <trm> I'm trying to figure out irc :P
[20:51] <trm> what are you guys up to
[20:52] <Seveas> up to no good of course. But be aware that this channel is ubuntu support only. For general cahtter try #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:53] <trm> oh, definitely did not know that sorry
[20:54] <mntx> I am getting this error related to my SSD when I open up gparted: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.
[20:54] <mntx> How can I fix this? Can anyone help?
[20:58] <mntx> Anyone?
[20:59] <mntx> I've already tried running the command dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=2048 to no avail...
[21:02] <Loshki> mntx: try this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/675649/unable-to-delete-usb-drive-partitions-block-size-error
[21:03] <mntx> Loshki: I stated that I've already tried running that command to no avail.
[21:05] <Loshki> mntx: try adding the count= part, and also fdisk
[21:06] <Bashing-om> mths: Gies your bios support GPT : http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html ? Links there to fix .
[21:06] <mntx> Loshki: Okay I've somehow managed to fix it using gdisk
[21:18] <|WaV|> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798036 There is bug in konversation 1.6 which is fixed in 1.6.2 regarding QCA support. is there anyway to get the new version via apt-get?
[21:21] <Bray90820> Anyone here successfully installed ubuntu on a nextbook flex 11?
[21:23] <Ehestb> Hello, I have a server using Ubuntu and apache. I have 2 domains on this server and I plan to add more. I have two questions, how should I choose my FQDN because there are more than one domains, I don't know how to decide. Also on apache which vhost I should set as default?
[21:24] <Bray90820> Right now I have a modified version of ubuntu live after i select try ubuntu without installing it I just get a black screen
[21:25] <Bray90820> I used this version of ubuntu the one in the second post
[21:25] <Bray90820> http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-8-rt/general/nextbook-flexx-11-tutorials-t3184636
[21:25] <Nolstram> @Ehestb I wouldn't choose any of them - just give it an internal name
[21:49] <Ehestb> I serve many domains on my server, how should I choose my FQDN for this server?
[21:52] <Peasant65> hi! I have a problem running do-release-upgrade on  my ubuntu server install. It´s hanging on ¨Preparing to unpack .../cron_3.0pl1-128ubuntu2_amd64.deb ...¨ for about 20 minutes now
[21:52] <Peasant65> does anyone here has any idea what´s causing it ?
[21:58] <reogl> how do I get a program in /usr/local/bin to supercede /usr/bin ?
[21:59] <ckeeney> I think you just make sure /usr/local/bin comes first in $PATH.
[22:01] <reogl> ckeeney: so, in something like bashrc, this might work? export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/:$PATH ?
[22:01] <ckeeney> yes
[22:02] <inerti4> Hi everyone, after I replaced my motherboard, I cannot access Ubuntu but only Windows. I tried several ways to fix Grub but I cannot. Can anybody help me?
[22:04] <reogl> ckeeney: another question; i3wm is requesting $TERMINAL to be set in order for me to specify my terminal; where would I be able to set such an env variable on login (not on bash start)
[22:05] <ckeeney> not sure, sorry.
[22:05] <Bricker> hey, working on another wireless install, and when i try to run this bash script, im getting an odd error. i tried googling and someone said Memory but im not following that train of thought
[22:05] <Bricker> -bash: ./install.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: is the error
[22:05] <reogl> OK, thanks for the help anyways :) have a nice day
[22:05] <ckeeney> probably /etc/rc*.d
[22:07] <ckeeney> I'm sshing into a machine (I think debian, but I'm on ubuntu).  It seems to hang, but when I ssh -v, I can see I am actually at the "Do you want to update oh-my-zsh" prompt, and everything is wroking but I just can't see that output without verbose, and I can't give it any input either
[22:07] <Bricker> think i found the issue
[22:08] <Bricker> thanks !
[22:15] <inerti4> I'm trying   grub-install /dev/sda but I get grub-install: error: cannot open directory `/boot/grub/i386-pc': No such file or directory. Any ideas?
[22:17] <blackflow> inerti4: well is the file there?
[22:17] <blackflow> *directory
[22:18] <inerti4> I don't know how to check, I mount the sda6 which is the ubuntu partition but I don't know what else to do. Thank's for your time.
[22:19] <cafedumonde> \join #linuxmce-devel
[22:19] <cafedumonde> \help
[22:19] <nacc> inerti4: in the environment in which you are running grub-install, does that path exist?
[22:20] <nacc> inerti4: it's nonsensical to say you don't know how to check, as it's just a directory
[22:20] <Lausefuchs> cafedumonde: /join
[22:20] <Lausefuchs> cafedumonde: / and not \  :)
[22:20] <inerti4> nacc: in the current environment yes exists...
[22:22] <nacc> inerti4: can you pastebin the output of `mount` and `ls -ahl /boot/grub/i386-pc` ?
[22:24] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095370/
[22:25] <nacc> inerti4: so that was neither thing i asked for
[22:25] <inerti4> and... ls -ahl /boot/grub/i386-pc        ls: cannot access /boot/grub/i386-pc: No such file or directory
[22:25] <nacc> inerti4: you *just* said that the path exists
[22:26] <nacc> inerti4: are you g10ms2 from before?
[22:26] <inerti4> I can find it through the folders but not from the terminal... Yes... I'm from live disk...
[22:27] <nacc> inerti4: can you pastebin `ls -ahl /mnt/boot/grub` please
[22:28] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095376/
[22:29] <nacc> inerti4: i'm guessing you need to `chroot /mnt` and then run `grub-install /dev/sda`
[22:29] <inerti4> I tried this also! Same error...
[22:30] <nacc> it shoulnd't be the same error, as if you chroot, /boot/grub/i386-pc exist
[22:30] <nacc> inerti4: please pastebin the output showing this
[22:30] <codebam> I did a dist-update in tmux, lost ssh connection, tmux updated. the client is version 8 and the server is 7. I cant connect
[22:30] <codebam> how do I fix it
[22:31] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095381/
[22:32] <codebam> inerti4: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB
[22:32] <nacc> inerti4: that is quite clearly *not* the same error.
[22:32] <nacc> inerti4: from the chroot, `ls -ahl /usr/lib/grub/` please
[22:34] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095385/
[22:35] <nacc> inerti4: ok, that's what i thought
[22:36] <inerti4> What's happening? I'm quite new in Ubuntu and I cannot understand.
[22:36] <nacc> inerti4: `man grub-install` says you the default target is i386-pc. But you're not running a 32-bit pc. So you need to tell grub what target to use, in your case x86_64-efi.  Every time you set a previous wallpaper as the wallpaper again in puts ANOTHER copy of it in the Wallpapers folder.
[22:41] <OerHeks> !topic | leooo
[22:41] <leooo> vagina'
[22:41] <leooo> ops?
[22:41] <TheNH813> And WHY don't they show up in the wallpaper selection dialog when I put them there.
[22:42] <TheNH813> Is this a bug?
[22:42] <nacc> inerti4: once you find it, you'll want to `mount <dev of efi partition, e.g., /dev/sda7> /mnt/boot/efi` then run the `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi` again
[22:43] <TheNH813> Can someone explain why it does that or is it a bug?
[22:43] <ReScO> How can i restrict a user to a single executable and no shell access?
[22:43] <TheNH813> Permissions
[22:43] <inerti4> @nacc I can't find the efi partition.... :(
[22:43] <ReScO> basically letting them log in to the application via ssh?
[22:43] <OerHeks> TheNH813, could well be a bug, do they remain after logout/login?
[22:43] <TheNH813> Yes.
[22:43] <Keitaro> the solution optimus works perfectly ofr there is some issues on ubuntu ?
[22:44] <OerHeks> TheNH813, oke
[22:44] <nacc> inerti4: can you screenshot `gparted /dev/sda` ?
[22:44] <nacc> inerti4: btw, how did you get into this state?
[22:45] <TheNH813> Funny thing is nothing in ~/Wallpapers shows up in the appearance settings, yet it copies them there if you Right click > Set s wallpaper.
[22:45] <TheNH813> I could put my wallpapers in /usr/share/backgrounds to get them to show up, and I might just do that.
[22:46] <inerti4> Dell  replaced the motherboard from my laptop...
[22:46] <nacc> inerti4: i see
[22:47] <inerti4> https://postimg.org/image/tiyizxps1/
[22:48] <nacc> inerti4: ok it's /dev/sda1
[22:48] <TheNH813> inerti4: The one named ESP is likely it
[22:48] <TheNH813> IT's marked as boot.
[22:48] <TheNH813> Oh LOL you beat me to it
[22:48] <nacc> inerti4: 'EFI System Partition'
[22:48] <inerti4> Ooooo yep
[22:49] <TheNH813> Fixed my missing wallpapers. sudo cp -R ~/Wallpapers /usr/share/backgrounds/ :P
[22:49] <nacc> inerti4: ok, `mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi` (or if in chroot, `mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi`) then run `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi` from within the chroot
[22:49] <nacc> inerti4: `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sda`
[22:50] <inerti4> You will now believe what's happening...
[22:50] <reisio> TheNH813: sounds like a configuration issue
[22:50] <TheNH813> Indeed. It dosen't see anything in /~/Wallpapers
[22:51] <TheNH813> *~/Wallpapers
[22:51] <inerti4> I tried root@ubuntu:/# mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi     BUUUUUUUUUUT mount: /boot/efi: mount failed: Unknown error -1
[22:53] <nacc> inerti4: ok, try it from the non-chroot'd environment
[22:53] <nacc> inerti4: so `mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi`
[22:55] <inerti4> ok I run it from non-chroot'd environment all good... but when I run the second command "grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/efi (is /dev mounted?)."
[22:56] <nacc> inerti4: did you run `grub-install` from within the chroot again?
[22:56] <inerti4> yeap...
[22:56] <nacc> inerti4: oh duh, in the chroot, do this: `mount /dev`
[22:57] <OerHeks> maybe boot-repair is any help
[22:57] <nacc> OerHeks: yeah, that probably would have been simpler :/
[22:57] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:57] <OerHeks> it will give a fine diagnostic report
[22:57] <inerti4> I cannot use boot-repair because my laptop doesn't boot a usb in uefi mode
[22:57] <inerti4> I have the diagnostic report...
[22:58] <Keitaro> for my optimus on my notebook shoud i take Bumblebee or prime ?
[22:58] <Keitaro> for the drivers
[22:58] <inerti4> Boot-Repair Report http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095119/
[22:58] <OerHeks> Keitaro, ubuntu provides prime, bumblebee is old
[22:59] <Keitaro> oki thx
[22:59] <OerHeks> ( i know of the resurrection of bumblebee, but that is not supported)
[22:59] <inerti4> nacc: root@ubuntu:/# mount /dev but mount: can't find /dev in /etc/fstab
[22:59] <stan_man_can> I keep telling my laucher to only display on my primary monitor, but occasionally it will show up on my seconadry monitor when i hover. also, my cursor sometimes won't let me cross between monitors until i fidget with it. anyone had similar issues?
[23:01] <Keitaro> what is the difference between apt-get install program and apt-get install program* ?
[23:01] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, maybe disabling hotcorners in unity-tweaktool does some good
[23:02] <OerHeks> * is a wildcard, so all titles that start with software is true
[23:02] <nacc> inerti4: ok `mount -t devtmpfs none /dev`
[23:02] <OerHeks> err  c/software/program
[23:03] <inerti4> ok I did it...
[23:04] <Polarcraft> So I am looking to run a mail server that will allow me to put email accounts in with ease of use, even if it is a simple panel to do so. So the question is what type of email server should I run?
[23:05] <energizer> I'm doing an rsync --partial and it keeps getting stuck in the middle, so i have to cancel and restart where i left off
[23:05] <nacc> inerti4: retry the `grub-install`
[23:05] <energizer> but i have to do this a lot of times in a row. is there a way to issue the command every time rsync hangs?
[23:05] <energizer> rather, cancel and reissue the command
[23:05] <nacc> Polarcraft: I would not recommend running your own mail server if you want a 'panel', mail servers are complicated and require some thought
[23:06] <nacc> Polarcraft: but if you want more directed help, i'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:06] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095446/
[23:07] <nacc> inerti4: ok, `mount -t proc none /proc; mount -t sysfs none /sys` then re-run the grub-install
[23:08] <inerti4> already mounted!
[23:09] <jastiv> my sound doesn't work anymore on ubuntu but it works with a live cd
[23:09] <jastiv> it stopped working yesterday, and I tried turning pulse and alsa and jack on and off
[23:09] <jastiv> help plz
[23:10] <jastiv> I tried to get it to work on google hangouts yesterday, it worked in skype, but when I booted up this morning it did nto work.
[23:10] <jastiv> Help Help help
[23:11] <OerHeks> jastiv, maybe go into sound settings and select the proper audio device?
[23:11] <OerHeks> or alsamixer: F6 select soundcard
[23:11] <jastiv> I tried sound settings, it only has one sound device, my soundcard.
[23:12] <inerti4> nacc: Thank's for your time dude, you are my hero 'cause you are keep trying, but I  really don't want to waste your time anymore...
[23:16] <nacc> inerti4: both were already mounted? in the chroot?
[23:17] <jastiv> Well I changed the soundcard selection from default but still no sound.
[23:17] <inerti4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095463/
[23:18] <Polarcraft> nacc, yeah I want to move away from shared hosting and into my own box so my own mail server would be nice. I don't need a panel per-say just an easy way of adding emails.
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[23:20] <leooo> español
[23:21] <OerHeks> Polarcraft, i agree with nacc, don't run your own email server, but if you really want to, good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[23:21] <OerHeks> !ops | leooo
[23:21] <nacc> inerti4: you're running that from within the chroot?
[23:21] <inerti4> yeap
[23:21] <nacc> inerti4: you don't need sudo if you're root, as well
[23:22] <leooo> xvideos.com
[23:22] <leooo> toroporno.com
[23:22] <leooo> hentaiporno.xxx
[23:22] <nacc> inerti4: in the chroot, can you `ls -ahl /proc/devices` ?
[23:22] <leooo> vercomicsporno.com
[23:22] <leooo> xvideos.com
[23:22] <leooo> toroporno.com
[23:22] <leooo> hentaiporno.xxx
[23:22] <leooo> toroporno.com
[23:23] <leooo> vercomicsporno.com
[23:23] <blackflow> kickbanporno
[23:23] <leooo> vercomicsporno.com
[23:23] <leooo> vercomicsporno.com
[23:23] <Polarcraft> OerHeks, I want to get far away from shared hosting so an email server is where I want to go.
[23:23] <inerti4> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 27 02:23 /proc/devices
[23:24] <jastiv> I uninstalled and reinstalled my alsa and pulse and that did not work either.
[23:24] <jastiv> I wish I knew what I did that messed it up.
[23:25] <nacc> inerti4: ok, run grub-install from w/in the chroot then
[23:25] <jastiv> maybe the google hangouts QArecord or cheese, thats all the recent stuff I installed, what
[23:25] <jastiv> I already uninstalled QArecord and Chesse, should I uninstall the google plugin, would that fix it.
[23:25] <jastiv> ?
[23:28] <inerti4> Something interesting happened :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/23095493/
[23:28] <nacc> inerti4: that seems ... better?
[23:28] <nacc> :)
[23:29] <inerti4> Really better! Did u just fix it??? :O
[23:29] <nacc> inerti4: ok, one last thing
[23:29] <nacc> inerti4: go back to the host, and `modprobe efivars`
[23:29] <nacc> inerti4: then return to chroot and run the `grub-install` one last time
[23:29] <inerti4> back to the host?
[23:29] <nacc> inerti4: back to the non-chroot, sorry
[23:31] <inerti4> same results
[23:31] <nacc> inerti4: lsmod | grep efivars ?
[23:32] <inerti4> Same result...
[23:34] <nacc> inerti4: huh? that's a command to run
[23:34] <nacc> inerti4: what did it output
[23:34] <inerti4> nothing...
[23:37] <nacc> inerti4: ok, that's probably an issue, let me think
[23:37] <nacc> inerti4: this is 16.04?
[23:38] <inerti4> yeap...but the live cd that I m running is 14.04
[23:39] <OerHeks> get the latest then http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:40] <OerHeks> oh wait, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:41] <inerti4> OerHeks: and how is the newest contribution help me to restore grub?
[23:41] <inerti4> *will
[23:41] <OerHeks> as your system seems to be 16.04 with systemD, i would not use 14.04
[23:41] <nacc> inerti4: can you do this, `efibootmgr` from the chroot, or non-chroot env?
[23:42] <inerti4> efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[23:42] <nacc> inerti4: ok, and ls -ahl /sys/firmware/efi ?
[23:42] <tgm4883> OerHeks: Don't you mean http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:43] <wiggmpk> I would like to resize a window that is intentionally off screen without the screen snapping back to the top menu bar (using gnome-shell) anyone know how to disable this behavior?
[23:43] <tgm4883> or are those the same file
[23:43] <inerti4> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory
[23:43] <OerHeks> tgm4883, nope, i was surprised too http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/
[23:44] <mattfly_> hello
[23:44] <mattfly_> i need some weird help
[23:44] <OerHeks> tgm4883, oh wait, i need to scroll down .. awesome
[23:44] <nacc> inerti4: i'm worried you've booted the USB in legacy mode (non-UEFI)
[23:44] <mattfly_> i need to make port fowarding in a linux machine to a server using hostapd
[23:44] <tgm4883> OerHeks: yea :/
[23:45] <nacc> inerti4: in which case, i don't think you can successfully tell grub to use efi
[23:45] <mattfly_> i mean, port foward hostapd[
[23:45] <inerti4> I cannot boot the usb from UEFI
[23:45] <OerHeks> should we notify this?
[23:45] <inerti4> if I could I will have used the boot-repair
[23:47] <Keitaro> anyone here plz i need some help
[23:48] <Keitaro> i did sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 nvidia-prime mesa-utils because my system use optimus
[23:48] <Keitaro> and after it say need to give a password and unable secureboot
[23:49] <tgm4883> OerHeks: it's probably by design
[23:49] <tgm4883> wouldn't hurt to ask though
[23:49] <Keitaro> and when i restart and go to the login i wrote my password it give a blackscreen and loopup to the login page
[23:50] <Bashing-om> Keitaro: Why the 331 version driver attempt ? ... What card are you working with ?
[23:52] <Keitaro> Bashing-om, i am on a nvidia GTX 950 M
[23:52] <Keitaro> i don't know i see that command on the french ubuntu documentation
[23:53] <Keitaro> here https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/prime
[23:53] <nacc> inerti4: hrm, that's ... a tricky situation
[23:53] <nacc> inerti4: how did you install via UEFI before?
[23:54] <Keitaro> Bashing-om, i got infinite loop when i try login ^^
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Keitaro: nVidia recmmends the 367 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/106780/en-us .
[23:55] <inerti4> I access the live usb from legacy mode...
[23:55] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-364
[23:56] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-361
[23:57] <nacc> inerti4: that's how you installed it before? legacy live usb?
[23:57] <nacc> inerti4: it's odd because your grub on-disk is only installed in efi mode
[23:57] <nacc> inerti4: based upon your previous pastes
[23:58] <Bashing-om> Keitaro: If ya want to install that recommeded driver. we will have to do so from a PPA .
[23:58] <amnix> My SSD won't boot ubuntu! Please someone help. This is driving me insane...
[23:58] <inerti4> Yeap....But the only way to access the usb from boot menu is on legacy mode...
[23:58] <Keitaro> ah ?
[23:59] <inerti4> @amnix welcome to my world...
[23:59] <amnix> how can I check if grub was installed proper for efi boot?
[23:59] <Keitaro> because on the tutorial with optimus it said not install the driver that is no open
[23:59] <inerti4> amnix first try boot-repair...
[23:59] <Keitaro> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/106780/en-us this driver is for gtx 950 M ? i don't see my card in the list


[09:33] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[09:33] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204


[00:23] <ens> does canonical accept volunteer efforts at creating and maintaining packages for the system the same way debian have a community of volunteers... or is this a different kinda gig?
[00:27] <matsaman> ens: launchpad/ppa?
[00:35] <ens> matsaman: i suppose so but i was thinking more along the same kind of lines as debian where there are a lot of volunteer efforts to help maintain the most recent packages and such. i was kinda wondering how to best get involved with ubuntu as a contributor to an open source project.
[00:39] <matsaman> ens: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[00:39] <Bashing-om> ens: Here - see: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/contribute/ as a place to start :D
[01:09] <kylin> is  there  anybody
[01:09] <kylin> hello ?
[01:15] <Simmer> Hey guys, nextcloud prompts me to update but I don't know how. I've run apt update and upgrade but it doesn't catch it. I don't wanna mess anything up and have multiple copies... I downloaded the tar from nextcloud downloads site but what do I do now?
[01:25] <tomreyn> Simmer: you installed a software that's not part of ubuntu. you are looking for support with it. the best place to turn to will be the same place you got the software from usually. If you look for "support" on nextcloud.com, you'll find a link to documentation, which also explains how to install updates or upgrades (those are different).
[01:27] <Simmer> Ah, okay. Thank you.
[01:27] <tomreyn> Simmer: generally, before you make major changes to a software installation, it's wise to do a backup. this process will also be documented.
[01:28] <Simmer> Of the software itself or Ubuntu?
[01:28] <tomreyn> of what you are going to change
[01:29] <tomreyn> if you won't upgrade ubuntu, then you don't need to make an additional backup of it. but, of course, you should be backing up ubuntu regularly if any data or configurations you have there would take you a lot of time or effort to manually re-create.
[01:30] <Simmer> Just the nextcloud client
[01:30] <Simmer> I should look into Ubuntu backups for sure, that would be nice.
[01:31] <Simmer> I'm still very new and trying to understand why some programs have to be managed various ways :|
[01:31] <tomreyn> !backups
[01:31] <Simmer> Ah thank you for that link info
[01:32] <tomreyn> those with !exclamationmarks are trigger terms. you can chat to ubottu in a private messgae nad ask it (its a bot) about it
[01:32] <Simmer> Awesome, thanks
[01:32] <tomreyn> good luck (bbl)
[01:37] <rhrf> Good evening all, I am trying to run BIND and have it write a log file.  I start BIND with sudo service named start, but when I check the status it says that it has failed.  I checked syslog and it says that BIND has failed to start because BIND does not have permission to write the file that I have created for the log.  I have created a directory called bind in /var/log and chowned the directory to be owned
[01:37] <rhrf> by the bind user and bind group.  Further more I have set permissions on the directory and files to 774.  Is there something I am missing as to why BIND is not being allowed to write this directory.
[01:39] <leftyfb> rhrf: why do you need it writing out it's own log file? Why not just use "journalctl -u bind9" to read logs?
[01:40] <oerheks> leftyfb, +1,  sudo journalctl -eu named >https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/set-up-local-dns-resolver-ubuntu-20-04-bind9
[01:41] <rhrf> leftyfb: I am trying to get it to write queries to the server.
[01:41] <leftyfb> oerheks: the systemd service is called bind9, not named
[01:42] <leftyfb> rhrf: rndc querylog
[01:42] <leftyfb> rhrf: sudo rndc querylog
[01:42] <leftyfb> rhrf: that will turn on query logging. Hit it again to turn it off
[01:42] <leftyfb> rhrf: then use journalctl to read the logs
[01:43] <rhrf> I have another server running ubuntu that is setup the same though an older version of ubuntu and it had no issue in writing the log file with named.
[01:44] <rhrf> I will look into journalctl.
[01:46] <jimmy> Anybody have problem with video distortion on ubuntu live iso's?
[01:47] <TJ-> jimmy: You presumably!?
[01:47] <jimmy> YES LOL
[01:47] <jimmy> Misery loves company.
[01:49] <TJ-> jimmy: better to describe the issue (or show a photo) :)
[01:49] <carnophage2> there is a fix
[01:50] <carnophage2> i had similar on a debian distro
[01:50] <TJ-> jimmy: which release, which architecture, make/model of PC
[01:50] <TJ-> jimmy: and of course which GPU!
[01:52] <jimmy> Trying ubuntuce 20.02.2
[01:52] <TJ-> jimmy: there is no 20.02 ... do you mean 20.04 ?
[01:52] <jimmy> dell optiplex 740
[01:53] <leftyfb> jimmy: ubuntu CE?
[01:53] <jimmy> Yes 20.04.2
[01:53] <TJ-> the versions are YY.MM (year.month of release (April -04 - and Octover - 10 - each year)
[01:53] <leftyfb> jimmy: is his what you are running? https://www.ubuntuce.com/
[01:54] <TJ-> jimmy: Optiplex 740 ... that's quite an old system I think, unless Dell are recycling model numbers?
[01:54] <oerheks> nvidia quardro nvs210s / nForce 430
[01:54] <jimmy> Right now I'm running mint 20, but trying to load ubuntuce on another pc
[01:55] <jimmy> it is an older pc
[01:55] <leftyfb> jimmy: please download ubuntu 20.04 from ubuntu.com. Neither Linux Mint nor UbuntuCE are supported here
[01:56] <oerheks> such an old card, maybe supported with the 304 driver?
[01:56] <leftyfb> jimmy: https://releases.ubuntu.com/<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu-<IP_ADDRESS>-desktop-amd64.iso?_ga=2.48500710.1747931294.1629078942-801535174.1593701673
[01:56] <leftyfb> oerheks: they're not running ubuntu
[01:57] <jimmy> AH. O.K. Thanks. Trying to try out ubuntu christian edition.
[01:57] <oerheks> i know, so he got his answer; too old for serious 3d/videoacceleration
[01:57] <leftyfb> jimmy: that is not supported here
[01:57] <TJ-> oerheks: jimmy  I found the nouveau driver was fine with those nvidia GPUs
[01:57] <oerheks> maybe it catches fire... so old
[01:57] <TJ-> Using an dual-GPU NVS-420 with 4 monitors @ 1920x1200
[01:58] <jimmy> no way to change drivers on a iso, is there ?
[01:58] <TJ-> jimmy: indeed no
[01:59] <TJ-> jimmy: the ISO will be using the nouveau (mainline kernel) driver
[01:59] <jimmy> Thank you guys so much. Il'' look for another (newer ) pc
[02:01] <jimmy> I had the same problem before with Kubuntu. Guess I need a newer pc.
[02:01] <jimmy> Yhank you all so much
[02:01] <jimmy> Good night
[03:13] <bdju> getting "Sorry, there is nothing that matches your search." no matter what I type in the ubuntu search thing that the super key open. including with nothing typed. there was a really rough upgrade process getting this from 16.04 to 18.04 and then finally 20.04 including a loss of power early in the process and have to delete lock files and run dpkg configure stuff. anyway, is there a package I should try to
[03:13] <bdju> reinstall to possibly fix this?
[03:13] <bdju> I don't really use ubuntu on other devices but the fact that I can't seem to make anything useful come up tells me it's probably broken. this is the standard gnome version, btw.
[03:15] <mechanic> bdju did you make sure that after the powerloss that everything works as it should?
[03:15] <Swift110-mobile> sup fosklksol
[03:15] <guiverc> bdju, early in the process implies to me the download; which shouldn't impact anything.. but removal of lock files is a dangerous sign..
[03:15] <bdju> early in the process as in during the 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade, not necessarily early into *that part* of the process
[03:16] <Swift110-mobile> sup folks I meant
[03:16] <bdju> mechanic: well, it's a device I hadn't used before trying to upgrade it. I don't know how well it worked before. it's a gpd pocket and it's got all sorts of weirdness with rotation and scaling and trouble waking from suspend and graphical glitches, but for all I know they may have happened anyway
[03:17] <Swift110-mobile> bdju: what is the specs of that device?
[03:17] <bdju> after the power loss I think I had to boot an old kernel to get back into the system and then I just did all I had to to let it try to upgrade stuff again
[03:17] <bdju> Swift110-mobile: it's some sort of Intel Atom, so it's x86 at least. 8GB of RAM and maybe around 120GB of flash storage (not full, btw)
[03:17] <Swift110-mobile> oh cool
[03:17] <mechanic> bdju ugh, hopefully it's even official ubuntu then
[03:18] <bdju> good point. I'm not 100% sure if it is. maybe there were weird downstream things on it
[03:18] <bdju> it was my brother's and he gave it to me, I saw it was on an ancient version so I just starte upgrading things right away
[03:19] <bdju> considered just wiping it to put a fresh install of something on there, but was worried about how strange the device is and possibly making things worse, so went the upgrade route instead
[03:20] <bdju> btw, in the "Displays" program, when I set a rotation and scale, is that supposed to persist across reboots? after a reboot the scaling was back to 1.0
[03:21] <bdju> although I think I held in the power button to get it off because it was having trouble waking from suspend last time I used it. I'd see gdm for a few moments and it would flicker and go black again, like it was repeatedly sleeping
[03:21] <bdju> I think I disabled suspend now, hopefully
[03:21] <bdju> https://www.reddit.com/r/GPDPocket/comments/odul0u/ubuntu_2004_gdm3_greeter_not_rotating/ I also hit this issue where despite fixing rotation after logging in, GDM is sideways when I log out
[03:22] <bdju> the thing seems to use a tablet screen (but in landscape) so everything is default sideways and has to be flipped
[03:22] <Swift110-mobile> oh I see bdju
[03:25] <bdju> I'm gonna go do something else for a bit, but if anyone can answer if stuff changed in Displays is supposed to be persistent or how to make it persistent, feel free to ping me and I'll be back in a while
[03:26] <bdju> also how do I tell if I'm using Wayland or not? is it the default? I was thinking I might get less glitches if I used Wayland (it sorta looked like tearing in some instances)
[03:26] <mechanic> bdju yes they should be persistent
[03:27] <bdju> ah okay good to know. maybe just wasn't because I powered it off with the button
[03:27] <mechanic> honestly sounds like you should search around more, if it's really official ubuntu, and probably start fresh
[03:27] <bdju> if I'm gonna start fresh I'll probably put Void or something on here (no offense to you guys), but I will consider that route
[03:29] <mechanic> bdju eh, just make sure that you can recover
[03:31] <Bashing-om> bdju: "how do I tell if I'm using Wayland or not?" One way is in terminal execute: ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' .
[03:33] <bdju> ah, says x11. thanks for the tip.
[03:37] <Bashing-om> bdju: :D I may not help much - but there's a little.
[03:39] <Swift110-mobile> do u use the gpd for more than gaming?
[03:40] <bdju> only been using this for a day or so and wasn't planning to game on it. it's not one of the ones with game controls. just a keyboard and trackpoint clone
[03:40] <Swift110-mobile> oh I see
[03:42] <john2kbr> s
[03:57] <Batzy> im trying to get doom emacs up on ubuntu, and it turns out i installed emacs 26 which is a lower version than what i need. and now i can't uninstall it: https://bpa.st/STUQ
[03:57] <Batzy> what do i do
[04:01] <Batzy> oh wait i think i did it
[04:58] <xb> i was found in an abyss.
[04:58] <xb> .of hope.
[04:59] <xb> i owe allegiance
[04:59] <xb> to the bards of Avila.
[05:02] <xb> like never say 'allegiance' ever again.
[05:24] <tcz> Since everyone has tons of processing power and memory, and devices are loaded only when needed are custom kernels still worth it?
[05:35] <matsaman> tcz: it's a fair argument, but there will always be people who want the control
[05:35] <matsaman> and some for good reasons, like security
[05:45] <xb> emile durkheim
[05:50] <matsaman> xb: too right
[05:50] <xb> Charles Dunkirk?
[05:51]  * matsaman shrugs
[05:51] <xb> then Emile Durkheim it is.
[05:52] <xb> Tally ho!
[07:00] <Tabmow> Looks like the AU apt mirrors are broken...
[07:06] <guiverc> Tabmow, switch to another https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors instead of using aarnet
[07:07] <Tabmow> I've switched to just the standard one for now - I normally just use 'au' without selecting a specific mirror
[07:08] <guiverc> the AU mirror is mirror.aarnet.edu.au so you were using it even if you didn't realize it
[07:09] <guiverc> Tabmow, you can raise a ticket with aarnet & they'll fix I'm sure; I've done it numerous times with iinet; but it'll take time (often gets fixed by updates or package no longer wanted before they act on ticket)
[07:10] <Tabmow> Will do
[07:15] <guiverc> thanks Tabmow
[07:19] <dimuter05> test
[07:19] <dimuter05> О, работает
[08:41] <Samian> what's the proper words for "ssh'd" in saying "I'm ssh'd into a remote terminal"
[08:41] <Samian> argh the entire sentence sounds wrong'
[08:42] <geirha> "logged in via ssh"?
[08:42] <Samian> yesss
[08:42] <Samian> logged into a server
[08:44] <Samian> geirha  but "logged into" is a broader term
[08:46] <geirha> yes hence the "via ssh" (or maybe "with ssh"?)
[08:50] <Samian> ok
[08:50] <Samian> thanks
[08:50] <bionade24> Hello, does apt have some dependency tree shower like pactree?
[08:56] <Kubuntulinux> hello and good morning
[08:57] <Kubuntulinux> i can't seem to be able to edit and delete files on the partitions
[09:05] <surpriseLeto> Hello, I was using isolinux/txt.cfg to make custom installation until 20.04 but it's not there in 21.04, I tried to look around and could not find any information about this. Is this related to the move to flutter?
[09:05] <ahmetlii> Kubuntulinux: do you have GParted installed? (I think there automatically should be on Kubuntu but)
[09:25] <Ali-Karam> Hello, I'm connected using my mobile's hotspot and I can't use "Ubuntu Software" because it says the connection is metered. If I want to change the setting I should click Open Netwrok Settings .. when I click it .. nothing happenes
[09:25] <Ali-Karam> any idea how to go to network settings
[09:36] <TJ-> Ali-Karam: first, identify the name (ID) of the connection with "nmcli con show --active" than for that ID, do "nmcli con modify XXXX connection.metered no" where XXXX is the connection ID (name)
[09:37] <Ali-Karam> thanks .. that worked
[09:38] <TJ-> "nmtui" would have been another option, for a dialog-box like environment to the connection editor
[09:38] <TJ-> but text mode and thus available from the terminal
[09:41] <Ali-Karam> TJ-, tried nmtui and there was no metered option
[09:41] <TJ-> hmm!
[09:41] <Ali-Karam> so the first answer is wonderful
[09:41] <Ali-Karam> thanks TJ-
[09:42] <Ali-Karam> can you recommend any system monitoring tools?
[09:42] <Ali-Karam> maybe one which shows up on the background like a widget
[09:43] <TJ-> Ali-Karam: my eyes :)
[09:43] <Ali-Karam> heheh can I borrow your eyes?
[09:43] <TJ-> oh, desktop stuff? no, I use network-level monitoring too
[09:43] <TJ-> tools
[09:43] <Ali-Karam> I have htop
[09:43] <TJ-> You can have them - I'm quickly going blind spending too much time staring at monitors
[09:55] <arl> hi
[09:55] <arl> hello
[09:55] <Hekatte> hi
[09:55] <arl> How's going on ?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> arl: you joined the ubuntu support channel, how can we help you?
[10:20] <aakashi2001> https://pastebin.com/pbHYMcz5
[10:21] <aakashi2001> how do i resize the /boot partition
[10:23] <alkisg> aakashi2001: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:05] <busterkvm> hey Bardon
[11:05] <busterkvm> hey pong
[12:26] <merpnderp> It's been a really long time since I've ran Ubuntu. But switching back from MacOS. Does Ubuntu have some sort of built in antivirus like Mac and Windows have?
[12:27] <Mekaneck> merpnderp: Ubuntu has no build in antivirus and it's not needed on linux
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> merpnderp: apparmor helps security internal inside ubuntu
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> merpnderp: you can also install security minded software from the repos if you like
[12:31] <merpnderp> lotuspsychje: The only one I remember is the one to auto-install security updates. What are some others?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> merpnderp: what exactly is your security purpose/concern, maybe volunteers can think along with you
[12:42] <merpnderp> lotuspsychje: just curiosity at this point. Wondering if there is something synonymous with with Mac and Windows Defender.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[12:59] <KubuntuLinux> hello i have some questions
[12:59] <KubuntuLinux> why my linux crashes when i try to change some settings in dolphin? and widgets.. etc
[13:00] <KubuntuLinux> and every time i log out or turn off my pc and restart again it asksk for wifi password
[13:00] <KubuntuLinux> and i still can't edit files on my old hard disk partitions
[13:25] <loganrun> I am notcing a very high memory usage on my computer, but I don't see any processins using it. how can I tell what is going on
[13:25] <kongzilla> is it used for buffer/cache?
[13:25] <kongzilla> free -h
[13:26] <loganrun> Mem:           62Gi        35Gi        10Gi       8.0Mi        16Gi        26Gi
[13:26] <loganrun>  total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[13:27] <loganrun> looks like 35 used, 16 buffer catch
[13:27] <loganrun> out of 64 GB only 26 is available, doesn't make sense
[13:40] <tomreyn> loganrun: use   top   and   ps   to get the rundown of memory allocation per application
[13:41] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: those are a couple different issues, let's focus on one of them first - "why my linux crashes when i try to change some settings in dolphin? and widgets.. etc" - which is your "linux"? run this in a terminal / konsole window:  lsb_release -ds
[13:42] <leftyfb> loganrun: use htop. Look at the memory bar colors and determine you memory usage by going over the last section from https://www.cloudsavvyit.com/7847/color-bars-in-htop-what-do-they-mean/
[13:42] <leftyfb> loganrun: basically, buffered/cached memory can be considered available. Any application that needs memory will use it just fine
[13:43] <leftyfb> loganrun: you probably have a lot more memory available than you think, but while that memory is not being used, some applications will sort of use it just in case or just for a bit more performance but will drop it completely when another application actually needs it
[13:44] <KubuntuLinux> hello tomreyn good day, it's me from yesterday the webchatuser :  Ubuntu 21.04
[13:45] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: welcome back. i'm afraid i work like a computer, when i switch off at nights i forget everything. you'll need to give me a reminder if there's something i should generally know about your system.
[13:46] <KubuntuLinux> tomreyn :D  .. yesterday we wento through long process to solve the LVMs to install kubuntu
[13:47] <KubuntuLinux> but today i figured i can't actually edit the other partitions that were sda3 and sda4
[13:48] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: so which of the issues would you like to work on first of all now?
[13:48] <KubuntuLinux> why my wifi won't remember my password and i have to enter it everytime i log out or restart
[13:50] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: okay, let's see the ouputs of these, while you're online:
[13:50] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[13:50] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:50] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[13:51] <KubuntuLinux> copy paste the 6 lines?
[13:51] <tomreyn> you can copy and paste them to a terminal, they should return http addresses where the output is posted.
[13:52] <tomreyn> you should not normally run some commands someone passes you on IRC, but in this case i hope you trust me enough.
[13:52] <tomreyn> if you prefer not to, that's also fine
[13:52] <tomreyn> we can go through it one by one
[13:53] <KubuntuLinux> https://termbin.com/7w0o
[13:53] <KubuntuLinux> https://termbin.com/y5op
[13:54] <KubuntuLinux> https://termbin.com/7dpx
[13:55] <loganrun> leftyfb, ok but I am see 32 Gi marked as used, there is nothing running that should use that much
[13:55] <BinarySavior> i'm building GSL for a project that has it as a dependency.  the install file says to run "make install"
[13:55] <BinarySavior> will i need to run sudo make install?
[13:57] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: so the first output suggests that apt is 'broken', and you should run      sudo apt --fix-broken install
[13:57] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: but before you do this, you should double-check that those apt sources you have configured provide packages which are compatible to your system
[13:58] <KubuntuLinux> Waiting for cache lock: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held b
[13:58] <KubuntuLinux> y process 19940 (apt)
[13:58] <tomreyn> wait 5 minutes, then try again
[13:59] <KubuntuLinux> ok
[13:59] <tomreyn> and close any graphical update managers and software instalelrs
[13:59] <tomreyn> if the error remains the same in 5 minutes, just reboot, then try again.
[14:00] <KubuntuLinux> can i reboot now?
[14:01] <tomreyn> KubuntuLinux: whenever you like ;)
[14:03] <KubuntuLinux> ok be right back
[14:08] <BinarySavior> does ubuntu come stock with FTDI D2XX drivers?
[14:09] <BinarySavior> i cannot open this archive: https://ftdichip.com/drivers/d2xx-drivers/ the linux x64 version (1.4.24)
[14:09] <BinarySavior> it's a gz file, but when i try to unzip gzip provides error: file not in gzip format
[14:13] <webchat62> Bro
[14:14] <webchat62> My laptoo stuck on black screen
[14:14] <webchat62> And won't restarr
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> !info 7zip | BinarySavior
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> !info p7zip
[14:17] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/AN_220_FTDI_Drivers_Installation_Guide_for_Linux-1.pdf
[14:18] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: note this is outside of what we normally support here, this driver is not provided by ubuntu
[14:18] <tomreyn> webchat62: hi there. which ubuntu release do you have installed on it, do you know?
[14:19] <webchat62> Tomreyn it's me... Kubuntu linux whonhas wifi and partition ptoblems.. i went through restarting but it's still black screen and nothing shows off except cursor
[14:20] <webchat62> I'm on phone
[14:20] <webchat62> Hard power off or this will cause problem?
[14:21] <tomreyn> webchat62: oh, ok. i assume you tried ctrl-alt-del already?
[14:21] <tomreyn> webchat62: press also escpae to see where it's stuck
[14:21] <webchat62> Nthing happens
[14:22] <tomreyn> webchat62: if nothing helps, you can try this:
[14:22] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[14:22] <webchat62> Ok a task manager came up
[14:24] <tomreyn> webchat62: i see you have installed newer versions of some software than Kubuntu 21.04 provides. That includes mesa (which provides accelerated graphics) and libreoffice. do you know what may have happened there?
[14:25] <webchat62> I pressed alt + prtscteen then SUB everything completely black now and no cursor
[14:25] <webchat62> I just did an update
[14:25] <tomreyn> so it will be rebooting, i guess
[14:25] <webchat62> From the centre
[14:26] <tomreyn> ok, that's good. actually those packages are not newer, they are older than what hirsute provides. maybe you just need to keep updating.
[14:26] <webchat62> Ok
[14:27] <webchat62> Still blackness....
[14:27] <tomreyn> strange. i guess you can just power cycle then
[14:28] <webchat62> I did
[14:28] <webchat62> Starting now
[14:30] <tomreyn> the archive mirror you're using, eg.archive.ubuntu.com, does not seem to be an official mirror server https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:30] <webchat62> System plo y prevents modification of network settings for all users
[14:30] <webchat62> Policy*
[14:30] <loganrun> what are tracker-miner-f and tracker-store processes
[14:31] <webchat62> And it asks for root password
[14:31] <webchat62> I enteredy username password
[14:31] <webchat62> But it says it's incorrect
[14:32] <tomreyn> webchat62: there should be no root password on your computer, just your normal users'
[14:32] <webchat62> And still my wifi not connected
[14:32] <webchat62> It asks for root password
[14:32] <tomreyn> can you share a screenshot?
[14:34] <tomreyn> loganrun: those are part of the "tracker" and "tracker-miner-fs" packages, i think
[14:34] <SnoopJ> loganrun, those are indexing files on your system (and probably other stuff) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tracker
[14:34] <tomreyn> apt show <packagename>    will provide more info
[14:35] <loganrun> ok thanks
[14:35] <SnoopJ> see also `apropos tracker`
[14:36] <webchat62> https://imgur.com/a/eVDON7X
[14:37] <tomreyn> webchat62: thanks. i was hoping for an image of the full prompt. have you set a password for root, though?
[14:37] <webchat62> I tried my pass .. wrong... I tried empty also wron
[14:37] <webchat62> I didn't
[14:38] <webchat62> Intried running sudo
[14:38] <webchat62> But it says i cant run sudo on my device
[14:38] <webchat62> @hostname
[14:38] <tomreyn> webchat62: do you have another means to bring this system online?
[14:39] <webchat62> Ok wait
[14:39] <webchat62> Actually the window closed...
[14:39] <webchat62> I can reenter password to wifi
[14:40] <webchat62> online
[14:41] <Guest4887> tomreyn ok
[14:43] <ioria> webchat62, might be a keyring or autologin  thing : check in the Network-manager applet and enable : Available to all users and  Automatically connect to this network when it is available; then logout / login
[14:43] <Guest4887> at users settings.. i found my user account type is (standarad) i don't this this is correct right?
[14:44] <Guest4887> ioria: connect autumatically is enables & all users may connect to this network is checked & priority is set to 1
[14:45] <tomreyn> i guess it should be administrator rather than standard if it's the only non-root user account
[14:45] <tomreyn> but i'm guessing based on how this is displayed on gnome
[14:45] <Guest4887> this is my only user i created
[14:45] <tomreyn> did you create it during installaiton or seperately?
[14:46] <Guest4887> yes in installation yesterday
[14:46] <tomreyn> can you open a terminal and type "groups"
[14:46] <tomreyn> does it say "sudo" there?
[14:46] <Guest4887> no sudo
[14:46] <Guest4887> adm cdrom dip plugdev lpadmin lxd sambashare
[14:46] <tomreyn> can you post the one line of output?
[14:46] <tomreyn> ok
[14:47] <tomreyn> but can you run commands with sudo? sudo whoami
[14:48] <roxlu> hi, I'm working on a Ubuntu 18 and I want to update the version of a package, what is the best solution? (apt-get install meson, gave me an slightly outdated version)
[14:48] <tomreyn> i'll quickly run kubuntu 21.04 locally here, maybe something has changed
[14:48] <Guest4887> it asks for my password when i typed this command
[14:48] <Guest4887> and after i entered it
[14:48] <Guest4887> it says :   is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | roxlu
[14:49] <ioria> Guest4887, how comes you're not in the sudo group ?
[14:49] <tomreyn> Guest4887: on my kubuntu installation, the default user is part of the sudo group - something must have gone wrong on yours.
[14:49] <roxlu> lotuspsychje: thanks, what if I'm running this in a docker?
[14:49] <Guest4887> i don't know....
[14:49] <Guest4887> but yesterday i could do sudo commands
[14:49] <Guest4887> also this morning
[14:49] <Guest4887> when i update
[14:50] <ioria> Guest4887, grep sudo /etc/group
[14:50] <Guest4887> sudo:x:27:
[14:51] <mike18> hi - any idea why i get this error? https://ideone.com/Z9ufEd
[14:51] <ioria> Guest4887, you need to boot Recovery or single and add yourself to sudo
[14:51] <tomreyn> Guest4887: what does   id -u    report?
[14:51] <Guest4887> 1000
[14:51] <tomreyn> hmm, yes, what ioria sas
[14:51] <tomreyn> *says
[14:52] <Guest4887> i need to install the system again?
[14:52] <tomreyn> Guest4887: do you know how to bring up the grub menu? or does it come up automatically on boot
[14:52] <tomreyn> no, you don't need to reinstall
[14:52] <Guest4887> it come on boot
[14:52] <Guest4887> for 5 seoncds
[14:52] <Guest4887> TJ- did so
[14:52] <Guest4887> in case something went wrong
[14:52] <mike18> hi any idea what that error means? https://ideone.com/Z9ufEd
[14:52] <mike18> hm
[14:53] <tomreyn> Guest4887: okay, then reboot and select advanced ->  (newest kernel) -> "recovery"
[14:53] <Guest4887> brb
[14:53] <tomreyn> !patience | mike18
[14:53] <mike18> ok
[14:54] <tomreyn> mike18: this channel is for ubuntu support, thus the name. you seem to be seeking support with debian or another debian dericvative
[14:54] <mike18> ok
[14:54] <webchat62> Advanced options for ubuntu?
[14:54] <webchat62> tomreyn
[14:54] <tomreyn> webchat62: yes
[14:54] <webchat62> Ok
[14:54] <webchat62> 4 options
[14:55] <TJ-> I don't believe he /already/ broke it :O
[14:55] <tomreyn> webchat62: then the "(Recovery)" option for the newest kernel
[14:55] <webchat62> TJ- lol
[14:56] <webchat62> Ok I'm recovery menu
[14:56] <tomreyn> enable networking
[14:56] <ioria> root shell
[14:56] <webchat62> I don't know how did it went wrong really tj- :(
[14:57] <TJ-> I do!!!
[14:57] <webchat62> Drop to root shell prompt?
[14:57] <ioria> yes
[14:57] <tomreyn> ioria will guide, tomreyn will have breakfast ;)
[14:57] <webchat62> Enter for maintenance...
[14:57] <webchat62> Ctr D to continue
[14:58] <ioria> yes
[14:58] <webchat62> Bon appetit tomreyn
[14:58] <webchat62> Enter? Or ctrl D
[14:58] <ioria> same
[14:58] <webchat62> I'm @ root
[14:58] <ioria> mount -o remount,rw /
[14:59] <mike18> tomreyn: nobody in debian channel :D
[14:59] <webchat62> Rootfs already mounted on /
[14:59] <tomreyn> mike18: as we told you many tiomes before - whether or not someone is on some other channel doesn't mean whether or not you are entitled top ubuntu volunteer support.
[14:59] <ioria> Guest4887, adduser username sudo
[15:00] <ioria> where username is your username
[15:00] <mike18> @tomreyn i referred to debian channel and not here!
[15:00] <mike18> please
[15:00] <webchat62> Done
[15:00] <ioria> Guest4887, grep sudo /etc/group
[15:01] <webchat62> It showsy.username
[15:01] <ioria> webchat62, exit and resume
[15:02] <webchat62> Warning about graphical drivers
[15:02] <ioria> it's ok
[15:02] <ioria> at login screen, restart
[15:02] <webchat62> Ok
[15:05] <webchat62> I'm on again
[15:05] <webchat62> Wifi asks for password immediately after login
[15:07] <webchat62> Should i (store this password for all users ( not encrypted))?
[15:11] <morgans> morning 'all (disclaimer, not a bitch but seeking automation) it seems like everyday I see Updated softeware is available..install it now? - I thought I ok'ed "Launchpad" - why must I take a detour from my thoughts to mess with an update that does not require a restart?
[15:15] <Razva> is there any way to have a split file manager?
[15:15] <morgans> razva open a second window.
[15:15] <Razva> :) in the same window
[15:16] <Razva> I wanted to avoid Double Commander but ok...
[15:17] <morgans> in the same window is a new tab. (tab != window) lol razva
[15:17] <morgans> I am not a sysop, just an eternal beginner
[15:19] <Razva> what is the Ubuntu alternative for Notepad?
[15:19] <Razva> I'm looking for something that removes formatting
[15:20] <webchat73> i think Kate is nice
[15:20] <webchat73> it's default here in my kubuntu
[15:21] <_mimojed112> built in is gedit
[15:21] <alkisg> In Ubuntu GNOME, it's "gedit"
[15:21] <Razva> aaand for Notepad++?
[15:21] <Razva> Kate I guess?
[15:22] <_mimojed112> most built-in tends to be fairly advance compared to notepad in windows
[15:23] <Razva> oh, and how can I add a "classic menu"? or at least align the icons at the center
[15:23] <alkisg> Razva: do you have ubuntu, kubuntu, mate... ?
[15:23] <Razva> ubuntu
[15:23] <alkisg> The default one depends on your desktop environment
[15:23] <Razva> isn't Kubuntu slower compared with Ubuntu Gnome?
[15:24] <alkisg> You need to tell us your desktop environment first
[15:25] <jackneill> hey
[15:25] <alkisg> No, everything is faster compared to gnome...
[15:25] <Razva> Ah. Ok.
[15:25] <jackneill> it seems to me that all snap apps (tried vscode and slack) go blank after a few seconds after starting
[15:25] <jackneill> black
[15:25] <jackneill> others got this too?
[15:34] <webchat73> is there a way i can change my hostname?
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | webchat73
[15:53] <webchat73> TJ- how can i modify (rename - move - deleted) files on the partitions left yesterday
[15:53] <webchat73> sda3 and sda4
[15:54] <webchat73> when i hover over a file it won't let me move or do anything to it, even though it says that i'm the owner
[16:05] <goddard> hello all
[16:05] <goddard> so i have a ubuntu system and I am curious how i can switch from using an nvidia card to AMD
[16:05] <goddard> it just doesn't display anything
[16:09] <toddc> goddard: shut off computer replace video card to amd restart computer   nvidia can be a bit trickey to install drivers since nivida drivers are not open source and cannot be included
[16:10] <goddard> yeah seems impossible in this situation
[16:10] <goddard> should of uninstalled the nvidia drivers before hand
[16:11] <goddard> can i uninstall them from a live distro?
[16:11] <goddard> i think that is the only way i will be able to get into my system
[16:11] <toddc> goddard: that can be done at any time but they are small so i would just ignore them
[16:11] <goddard> hopefully
[16:47] <murthy> I need software recommendation, here is the place to ask?
[16:48] <murthy> I need a software recommendation for mind mapping
[16:48] <coconut> murthy, not a pad place no
[16:48] <murthy> hey coconut
[16:49] <murthy> coconut: ok
[16:50] <coconut> murthy, i have never used mind map tools.., but maybe someone else has.
[16:50] <murthy> coconut: oh ok
[16:50] <murthy> coconut: ty
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> hi guys
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> coming back to ubuntu after a couple of years
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> and doing a clean install
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> i have a question regarding partitioning
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> i have an efi machine
[16:54] <backtoubuntu> so what i was thinking was
[16:55] <backtoubuntu> 512 MB for /boot/efi, 40 GB for root, swap as RAM, and all the rest as /home with ext4
[16:55] <backtoubuntu> is that ok?
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | backtoubuntu
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: are you going to singleboot or dualboot?
[16:56] <backtoubuntu> single boot
[16:56] <backtoubuntu> just ubuntu
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> allrighty, you can also auto partition if you like backtoubuntu
[16:57] <backtoubuntu> it won't be a problem when the new LTS comes out
[16:57] <backtoubuntu> I won't lose my files?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: wich release are you installing now?
[16:58] <backtoubuntu> 20.04 LTS
[16:58] <backtoubuntu> as it's a work machine
[16:58] <backtoubuntu> for my business
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: LTS will get offered to next LTS point release when its out
[16:59] <backtoubuntu> point release is ok, that's basically update (if i remember from older ubuntus)
[16:59] <backtoubuntu> but to 22.04 next year
[17:00] <backtoubuntu> that's what I was thinking
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: yeah when 22.04.1 point release comes out
[17:00] <backtoubuntu> I don't understand
[17:00] <backtoubuntu> If i have 20.04 installed, when a point release of 22.04 comes out
[17:00] <backtoubuntu> i get prompted to upgrade?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: lts jumps always waits until a lot of bugs are solved, usualy at the first . release
[17:02] <backtoubuntu> and then there's a prompt to upgrade or something?
[17:02] <backtoubuntu> and my files stay on my laptop?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: yeah ubuntu will give you the upgrade prompt at 22.04.1 when the upgrade path is open
[17:03] <backtoubuntu> and are these upgrades usually reliable lotuspsychje?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> backtoubuntu: its always safe to keep backups at all times, not only at upgrades
[17:04] <backtoubuntu> what do you use for backups, timeshift?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> !backup | backtoubuntu
[17:05] <backtoubuntu> thanks lotuspsychje
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome and welcome back to the ubuntu community backtoubuntu
[17:07] <dob1> I am using i3 as wm, not gnome and using for example snap store or update ubuntu doesn't prompt me for my password for amministration tasks. What packages I miss?
[17:08] <backtoubuntu> thanks lotuspsychje, most helpful and welcoming community in foss, hands down!
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ; )
[17:09] <SnoopJ> it's right in the name, even :)
[17:10] <backtoubuntu> SnoopJ, :D
[17:20] <Razva> what is the closest thing to Microsoft Word? I need maximum compatibility
[17:22] <SnoopJ> the strict maximum is running Word itself in a virtual machine or maybe with Wine. LibreOffice has pretty good compat, especially with .docx (and friends)
[17:22] <merpnderp> Is 20.04LTS the latest server version?
[17:22] <merpnderp> Having a hard time getting the download pages to load.
[17:23] <BinarySavior> ubuntu apt repo has cmake 1.18 as latest, but snap has 3.21 as latest
[17:23] <SnoopJ> kinda depends on what subset of features you're using. I remember being pretty disappointed with the compatibility of the equation editor a long time ago, but not sure if that's improved since.
[17:23] <harpia> What is the kernel version in "focal" at the moment? 5.8 or 5.11?
[17:23] <BinarySavior> i'm trying to build qt5 which requires 3.19 or later cmake, so i had to install cmake using snap
[17:24] <BinarySavior> will apt eventually be deprecated and snap will be _the_ way to install apps?
[17:24] <SnoopJ> goodness I hope not
[17:26] <BinarySavior> my system froze while using cmake --build and mouse & keyboard were unresponsive
[17:26] <BinarySavior> i had to hard reset
[17:26] <BinarySavior> idk if that was because of snap or what, but after rebooting now it seems to be working
[17:27] <BinarySavior> i don't know *** sorry i think we're not supposed to use SMS
[17:29] <SnoopJ> only guess I have is that it was using all system resources for the build, but I'd think you'd at least see build output from that.
[17:31] <BinarySavior> i did see some build output, then it froze at like 10% or around there
[17:31] <BinarySavior> yea it seemed like it had used all system resources
[17:38] <Razva> SnoopJ: between LibreOffice and OpenOffice, which one has better compat?
[17:40] <SnoopJ> Razva, OpenOffice was discontinued by Oracle in 2011, LibreOffice is the most prominent continuation of that software and is I believe more actively developed than Apache OpenOffice. I don't know what differences in compat there are, if any.
[17:41] <BinarySavior> it happened again, this time i did watch free -m
[17:41] <BinarySavior> my computer ran out of memory, cmake has used it all up, i have 16 gigs of memory
[17:42] <SnoopJ> maybe you want `cmake --build . -- -jN` where N is some number of jobs that makes sense for your system/the software you're building.
[17:43] <BinarySavior> yea, i used --parallel
[17:43] <SnoopJ> (the -- is optional but I find that I like it)
[17:43] <BinarySavior> does that increase the memory usage?
[17:43] <BinarySavior> it has to allocate a lot more threads when it does --parallel right?
[17:43] <Razva> Hooooolly smokes, LibreOffice Draw has a PDF editor?!
[17:43] <SnoopJ> it depends on what the actual build does, the flag itself is just indicating to cmake that it should let the build tool it generates output for do parallelism
[17:44] <SnoopJ> but in general yes it will consume more CPU/memory
[17:44] <linsux> is it ok to use flatpak in ubuntu? i dislike snap
[17:44] <BinarySavior> so the --parallel flag is just a performance option and it wont effect the resulting build?
[17:45] <SnoopJ> I don't know what "effect the resulting build" means to you, but the flag is explicitly there for the build tool's sake. It's you telling cmake to tell the tool to build in parallel, so it definitely modifies the build process.
[17:45] <SnoopJ> Usually that doesn't change the end-result, though, but I don't think there's any hard guarantee of that
[17:47] <SnoopJ> --parallel and -j are synonyms, btw
[17:47] <BinarySavior> ooh
[17:47] <BinarySavior> okay
[17:47] <leftyfb> linsux: will flapak work, yes. Is it supported here, no.
[17:48] <Razva> Ok, I need one more thing and I'm done migrating from Windows to Kubuntu. Is there any tool that allows me to take screenshots and do screen recordings *and* share them somewhere (anywhere)?
[17:48] <SnoopJ> if you don't specify the number of jobs, it just does whatever your build tool does
[17:48] <SnoopJ> (remember: cmake is not actually building things, it is generating configuration for your build tool of choice and then --build is a way to ask make to invoke the tool for you)
[17:48] <SnoopJ> to ask cmake*
[17:48] <BinarySavior> qt5 README says to use cmake --build . --parallel, but i'm thinking if I omit the parallel flag it might not run out of memory during the build process. Do you think I should do that?  Or if I follow your suggestion, how can I dtermine a reasonable amount of jobs to specify
[17:50] <SnoopJ> nproc - 1 is usually a sane choice, but when it comes to memory, it really depends on how much memory each job is going to consume.
[17:51] <SnoopJ> I don't see --parallel in https://github.com/qt/qt5/blob/dev/README.md though?
[17:52] <goddard> im screwed
[17:52] <goddard> even the live CD requires safe grpahics mode
[17:54] <BinarySavior> sorry, I was wrong, it was the output of ./configure that said to use --parallel flag
[17:56] <goddard> i think having grub show by pressing the ESC key is probably a bad idea
[17:57] <goddard> because if you keep pressing it and whined up on the grub screen pressing escape lands you into the grub command prompt
[17:57] <goddard> also setting the timeout to 0 is fine, but you have to detect issues if you are gonna do that
[17:58] <goddard> for example
[17:58] <SnoopJ> BinarySavior, I'd try half the number of processors in your system as a conservative-but-still-parallel guess. Keep an eye on your RAM usage and if there's some margin left that you'd rather utilize, you can go up from there.
[17:58] <goddard> on windows if you reboot 3 times without logging in or rebooting "properly" then it starts a recovery session
[17:58] <SnoopJ> at a guess, building Qt is really memory-hungry during the link phase, maybe? I don't think I've ever built it, but I know it's a chonker.
[17:59] <SnoopJ> so maybe it's doing several big links at once or something
[18:00] <tomreyn> goddard: while i like that you're providing suggestions to improve, those should really go into a feature request (they will just be lost here). consider filing a bug report against grub
[18:00] <tomreyn> !bug | goddard
[18:01] <BinarySavior> SnoopJ, I couldn't figure out how to get qt5 using the installer
[18:01] <tomreyn> goddard: also, did you solve the problem you ran into earlier?
[18:03] <SnoopJ> BinarySavior, is there a reason you're not installing the packages in the Ubuntu repositories?
[18:04] <tomreyn> Razva: for questions which refer to what's explicitly *K*ubuntu, such as the graphical user interfaces and desktop applications, I would say #kubuntu is the better place to ask. ubuntu and kubuntu share the same foundation, but anything referring to the graphical stack differs a lot.
[18:04] <tomreyn> the user interfaces anyways, not graphics drivers
[18:07] <BinarySavior> SnoopJ, oh man I didn't know that was an option
[18:07] <BinarySavior> i feel like an idiot
[18:08] <goddard> tomreyn no
[18:09] <goddard> still cant boot into linux
[18:09] <SnoopJ> BinarySavior, I think qt5-default gives you the basic development environment, but there are a lot of ancillary packages you might want depending on what functionality you want. https://wiki.qt.io/Install_Qt_5_on_Ubuntu has some info
[18:09] <SnoopJ> Glad I asked instead of just assuming you had a particular reason for wanting to build it yourself :)
[18:09] <goddard> tomreyn the ubuntu live cd has a "safe graphics" mode but in grub install it doesn't
[18:12] <goddard> ubuntu devs more worried about switching the installer to flutter than actually making ubuntu easier to use
[18:24] <tomreyn> goddard: let's focus on what you did, what doesn't seem to work, how you tell (I don't doubt it, but describing this will help solving the issue).
[18:24] <goddard> i installed a new graphics card
[18:24] <goddard> ubuntu crapped its pants
[18:25] <tomreyn> you are good at making me loose to spend my volunteer time to support you
[18:25] <tomreyn> loose interest
[18:25] <tomreyn> on a system which was already running ubuntu, i assume? which ubuntu release?
[18:25] <goddard> its ubuntu 21.04
[18:26] <tomreyn> from what i gathered previously, you used to have a dedicated nvidia graphics card installed, then removed that and installed a dedicated amd graphics card. is this correct?
[18:26] <goddard> I didn't remove it
[18:26] <goddard> I still have it
[18:26] <goddard> I just put an AMD card in
[18:27] <goddard> as the main card
[18:27] <goddard> PCIe slot 1
[18:27] <tomreyn> so you're saying there is now a dedicated nvidia and a dedicated amd graphics card installed, ok. is there also an integrated graphics chipset?
[18:27] <goddard> no
[18:28] <goddard> no iGPU
[18:29] <tomreyn> okay, so the driver for current amd graphics cards is amdgpu, for nvidia graphics cards there is the oipen source "nouveau" driver, and the proprietary "nvidia" driver. which one was active before you added the amd graphics card?
[18:29] <tomreyn> (if you know)
[18:30] <tomreyn> goddard: still around?
[18:30] <goddard> yes
[18:31] <goddard> the blob from Nvidia
[18:31] <goddard> was active
[18:31] <tomreyn> !enter | goddard
[18:33] <tomreyn> that's a configuration i've not had to deal with. i wuold not personally try to make this work on a non LTS release
[18:33] <tomreyn> but you can try. you should definitely take a look at your logs there, get an idea of why X fails to initialize one or more of the drivers
[18:34] <tomreyn> you'll see the /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session lines in    journalctl -b    output, this is where X is initializing
[18:35] <tomreyn> and you'll see how amdgpu and nvidia drivers are initializing there.
[18:35] <tomreyn> in my experience it's much easier when you have just open source drivers, but i guess you don't really have that option if you want good performance from the nvidia graphics card
[18:36] <goddard> what is the LIVE USBs "safe graphics mode" doing?
[18:37] <tomreyn> i think it disables UMS for nvidia
[18:37] <tomreyn> there will be an extra parameter on the "linux" line if you press 'e' on the grub menu
[18:37] <tomreyn> bbl
[18:39] <nergar> where does bash get the \h info for PS1?
[18:40] <nergar> my bash prompt looks like nergar@nergar:~$ but my /etc/hostname is nergar.(domain)
[18:41] <nergar> `hostname` also returns the full hostname with tld
[18:41] <nergar> what's going on?
[18:42] <rfm> nergar, from the bash man page ¨\h     the hostname up to the first `.'
[18:42] <rfm>  ¨
[18:43] <nergar> damn... missed that fact
[18:43] <nergar> need \H
[18:43] <nergar> thnx rfm
[18:44] <nergar> rtfm... my bad
[19:19] <ivaat> i am following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization < and i have question about sudo mount -o bind /run/ edit/run
[19:19] <ivaat> how i can umount it back to /run
[19:19] <ivaat> simple umount /run does not do it
[19:21] <dbungert> ivaat: you want umount edit/run I think
[19:23] <ivaat> dbungert: thx. will try out
[19:24] <BinarySavior> SnoopJ, setting 3 workers successfully completed build
[19:24] <BinarySavior> not sure how long it took because my wife needed the office for an appointment and i wasn't able to monitor the process
[19:28] <BinarySavior> wow, after all that i type qmake --version and it says it's using qt version 6
[19:28] <BinarySavior> i need version 5
[19:32] <BinarySavior> also SnoopJ I discovered why I didn't use ubuntu repository to install qt5, because qt5-default does not exist on ubuntu 21.04 repo yet
[20:00] <ice9> when I play 4K video in vlc there is massive FPS loss and the video is choppy, any idea?
[20:07] <coconut> ice9, cpu or gpu not fast enough?
[20:07] <ice9> coconut, i7 11th gen + nvidia gpu
[20:08] <coconut> yeah that not slow is it?
[20:10] <coconut> i don't know, maybe someone else here can say...
[20:11] <Mekaneck> isn't that something to ask in to vlc support channel?
[20:12] <coconut> yes probably gives better responses, #videolan is their channel if i am not mistaken
[20:25] <zteam> TJ-, tomreyn Hi, just wanted to give you two a big thank you, I was in a bit a of a hurry yesterday, so I didn't have enough time to to run resize2fs but that's indeed solved my issue, with the encrypted partition, itsems to work perfectly now again :D
[20:45] <tomreyn> zteam: :) nice. it was really tj who helped you solve it, i just noticed that the file system size was larger than the 'physical' (partition) size.
[21:31] <zteam> tomreyn, well you both spend alot of time helping me out there :-)
[21:36] <j`ey> anyone know wht fwupd is 'held' back on rpi?
[21:56] <tomreyn> j`ey: details needed. on paste.ubuntu.com
[21:59] <j`ey> not much details wise, rpi4, 20.04, The following packages have been kept back: fwupd fwupd-signed
[22:07] <tomreyn> j`ey: can you show    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[22:12] <j`ey> tomreyn: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0c24154ea1b247e39718c1cb9b619cc6
[22:14] <tomreyn> j`ey: this doesn't mention any packages being held back
[22:14] <tomreyn> j`ey: in fact, fwupd amd fwupd-signed would be upgraded there
[22:15] <tomreyn> lines 135 + 135
[22:15] <tomreyn> maybe you did not use full-upgrade?
[22:15] <j`ey> am I meant to?
[22:15] <j`ey> Ive never used full-upgrade before, what does it do differently to upgrade?
[22:17] <tomreyn> $ apt --help | grep full-upgrade
[22:17] <tomreyn>   full-upgrade - upgrade the system by removing/installing/upgrading packages
[22:17] <j`ey> ah so full-upgrade can remove, but normal upgrade cant
[22:17] <tomreyn> correct
[22:19] <tomreyn> it also enables more complex solutions, i think
[22:20] <tomreyn> i think full-upgrade to apt does the equivalent to apt-get's "dist-upgrade"
[22:26] <SnoopJ> BinarySavior, ahh, I see. Well, glad you found a way to complete the build without bringing your system to a halt
[23:01] <Swift110-mobile> oh nice tomreyn thanks
[23:01] <Swift110-mobile> I almost ran that command on my macbook
[23:01] <Swift110-mobile> lol
[23:01]  * Swift110-mobile looks forward to getting home to use it on his thinkpad
[23:01] <Swift110-mobile> well thinkpads