[10:38] <Myrtti> that was interesting
[10:39] <Tm_T> Myrtti: the morning show? yes indeed
[10:41] <Myrtti> perhaps the namespace wide bans should stay, or have you decided to remove them?
[10:41] <Myrtti> nvm
[10:42] <Myrtti> I see they're by account now
[10:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I suppose those are covered, yes
[11:29] <ikonia> I only removed ones which where covered by either a wider ban or a swap to account
[13:49] <Corey> Is that a flood waiting to happen (jrgiff*) or a severely busted client?
[13:51] <DJones> I thought it might be a school/college project
[13:51] <Corey> "Break your IRC client?"
[13:51] <Corey> He gets an A.
[13:51] <Pici> Its sort of similar to the nick that just flooded #freenode
[13:51] <Pici> maybe thats just a coincidence though
[13:54] <DJones> Hostname for the jrgiff* looks to be a School of COmputing
[13:55] <DJones> Or a school/college anyway
[15:34] <FireBeard> hello
[15:34] <FireBeard> oh, this is weird, I joined #ubuntu
[15:35] <ikonia> yes, you where forwarded to this channel
[15:35] <FireBeard> I am identified with nickserv
[15:35] <FireBeard> why?
[15:35] <ikonia> as the last time you used #ubuntu you said you didn't need it and people should suck mark shuttleworths dick
[15:35] <FireBeard> I did?
[15:35] <ikonia> yes
[15:36] <FireBeard> well, whoops
[15:36] <FireBeard> I was drunk and am sorry, can you make it so I can join again? I have a question
[15:36] <ikonia> you where not drunk
[15:37] <FireBeard> I most certainly was
[15:37] <FireBeard> I might have said I wasn
[15:37] <FireBeard> but, I was
[15:37] <ikonia> oh, so you do remember then
[15:37] <FireBeard> not really
[15:37] <ikonia> oh, this is quite hard to understand
[15:37] <FireBeard> thatś why I assumed I was drunk
[15:37] <ikonia> ahh, so you assume you where drunk
[15:37] <FireBeard> ikonia: I just assume that what you said is right
[15:38] <FireBeard> and late at night, at this pc, Iḿ always drunk
[15:38] <FireBeard> it's now early and am not drinking yet
[15:38] <ikonia> you basically joined #ubuntu rant about the LTS / rolling release, and when no-one really cared about your ranting you said we should all keep sucking Mark Shuttleworths dick
[15:38] <FireBeard> if you say so man, I'm sorry about that
[15:39] <ikonia> FireBeard: what time zone are you in ?
[15:39] <FireBeard> CET
[15:39] <ikonia> so it's 17:39 there now right ?
[15:39] <FireBeard> yup !
[15:39] <ikonia> odd, that you seemed to be drunk at 9:00pm CET
[15:39] <FireBeard> is there maybe an alternative channel which isn't so packed as #ubuntu?
[15:40] <FireBeard> ikonia: not very odd
[15:40] <FireBeard> is it?
[15:40] <ikonia> why does the size of it have anything to do with it ?
[15:40] <FireBeard> it was just an added question
[15:40] <ikonia> sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions, your behaviour last time was just a little odd
[15:40] <FireBeard> I bet it was
[15:40] <FireBeard> is there a alternate channel?
[15:40] <FireBeard> maybe specially for 12.04 or so?
[15:40] <ikonia> I'm happy to remove the forward if you're confident you can self moderate yourself going forward
[15:40] <ikonia> nothing specific for 12.04
[15:40] <ikonia> #ubuntu is the support channel
[15:41] <FireBeard> no alternatives?
[15:41] <FireBeard> oh well
[15:41] <FireBeard> thanks for removing the forward
[15:41] <ikonia> give me a minute
[15:42] <ikonia> the forwards removed
[15:42] <FireBeard> ban too?
[15:42] <ikonia> the forward is the ban
[15:42] <FireBeard> k
[15:42] <FireBeard> thanks
[15:42] <ikonia> so if you /part this channel and /join #ubuntu it should work
[15:42] <FireBeard> works, thanks again
[15:42] <ikonia> no problem
[16:29] <HFSPLUS> hiiiiii guys my name is John N
[16:30] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[16:31] <bazhang> HFSPLUS, what did you want
[16:31] <HFSPLUS> awww a filter i see
[16:31] <HFSPLUS> nice job installing a filter
[16:33] <HFSPLUS> i want to apolgize for my trolling over these
[16:33] <HFSPLUS> years
[16:33] <HFSPLUS> if you cant forgive me then the Lord wont forgive your sins
[16:34] <bazhang> ok. then exit the channel
[16:34] <HFSPLUS> you forgive me?
[16:34] <bazhang> sure
[16:34] <HFSPLUS> "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
[16:34] <HFSPLUS> peace


[09:38] <vila> abiliojr: Sheesh, too bad your timeout is too short :-/
[09:39] <vila> abiliojr: 'cloned the bzr repo' is the root. I guess you're using the ubuntu source one and it is out-of-date :-/
[09:39] <vila> abiliojr> am I missing anything? => See above.
 I'm a bzr newbie: Nothing wrong with that but if you know how to clone the ubuntu sources you're already not a newbie anymore ;)


 "*Today*:..." <- > <@chris:cooperteam.net> *Today*:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/0e4baf092c7744e269425eeeb96df08b7196c622>)
[07:55] <Saviq> So isn't a amdgpu bug in the end? I suppose that's a better outcome, as we can hopefully fix, rather than work around?
[07:56] <RAOF> Yeah.
[07:56] <RAOF> It is something extremely strange.
[07:56] <RAOF> (It might be a radeonsi bug instead 😉)
[07:57] <RAOF> But, from further inspection, it looks like it's allocating a buffer that's scanoutable (and untiled), but it's rendering to it as if it's tiled.
[07:57] <RAOF> So, not a kernel bug but a mesa bug? 🎉
[07:57] <RAOF> But, our current codepath doesn't hit this.
[07:59] <RAOF> …but, while we're calling into the driver in a different order and from different files, the actual calls that we make seem to be the same?
[08:00] <RAOF> So, today:
[08:00] <RAOF> * Fighting with Mesa debug symbols (the debuginfod integration can't pull source files, apparently because the referenced source files *never exist*?)
[08:00] <RAOF> * Chasing incorrect output on AMD.
 "Today:..." <- > <@alan_g:matrix.org> Today:
[11:41] <Saviq> > * found a rabbit hole: https://github.com/Miriway/Miriway/issues/51
[11:41] <Saviq> Did you find an exit, BTW? Sophie and I've been banging at the GTK DBus delay a couple times, but with no real solution
[11:43] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: Yes, down a different hole today (trying to understand the Python GTK abstractions well enough to break some of the encapsulation)
[16:15] <Saviq> A'ight, today:
[16:15] <Saviq> - dealt with a bunch of corner cases in checkbox-mir runs in the lab
[16:15] <Saviq>   - but have a working plan for Nvidia
[16:15] <Saviq>   - also have a plan for logind-based runs
[16:15] <Saviq> 👋 until tmrw
[17:28] <alan_g[m]> Today a new rabbit hole


[06:19] <x-Na> Hi, anyone know what would cause this in 3.12? -> http://www.picpaste.com/871ad3fc9c5d01f2af12e20c78c02b75.png
[06:20] <x-Na> Running in virtualbox, but I do think I see the same on 3.10 on my ws @ home too
[06:20] <x-Na> If I screenshot it in Gnome, those black thingys seem to be transparent
[08:17] <Forage> I'd be happy to report bug when e.g. apps crash, but ever since the update to 14.04 and using the staging ppa multiple reports get closed automatically because of "outdated packages"
[08:17] <Forage> e.g. "nautilus version 1:3.12.0-0ubuntu1~trusty1 required, but 1:3.10.1-0ubuntu8 is available"
[08:18] <Forage> in all cases a new version is already installed but it tells me just a lower version is available
[08:19] <Forage> heh, it even prefers saucy packages in some cases :-S "tracker-extract version 1.0.0-1ubuntu1~trusty1 required, but 0.16.4-0ubuntu1~saucy2 is available"
[08:20] <Forage> what can be the cause of the problem and how do I fix it?
[09:28] <darkxst_> x-Na, you probably want to use Adwaita until Ubuntu fix up their themes for 3.12.
[10:20] <x-Na> darkxst_, thanks, but that does not change the behaviour
[10:20] <darkxst_> x-Na, as in it happens with Adwaita as well? are you using the overlay scrollbars?
[10:21] <darkxst_> try disabling those!
[10:25] <x-Na> Thanks that was it
[10:26] <x-Na> Now only thing needed is to get alternatetab extension working on 3.12... >(
[10:26] <x-Na> And it seems that my keyboard randomly changes to US layout
[10:27] <x-Na> Even though I have not even enabled it :(
[10:38] <x-Na> exit
[10:38] <x-Na> Bah
[10:49] <darkxst_> x-Na, hmm isnt that part of gnome Classic? it should work
[11:17] <x-Na> darkxst, I had old version of alternatetab installed in my home, I did get it working. And it is in gnome-shell-extensions deb
[11:36] <darkxst> x-Na that would do it!
[11:40] <x-Na> I did not remember that
[14:26] <Forage> I'm wondering, could my issue have something to do with me not having the source code repositories of the ppa's enabled?
[14:52] <ceed^> I was wonering whether GNOME 3.12 will stay in the staging PPA or will it be available in the regular PPA?


[00:01] <asac> good
[00:05] <Jazzva> asac, after I finish this, I'll send e-mail to Ubuntu QA contacts to update fields in the table for their extensions...
[00:07] <asac> we should definitly hi-jack launchpad plugin and rename that
[00:07] <Jazzva> Rename it? Why? :)
[00:07] <Jazzva> ff-launchpad?
[00:08] <asac> its not a plugin after all and contributes to the already existing confusion about plugin / extensions :)
[00:08] <asac> its not even a real extension
[00:08] <Jazzva> Right ... :)
[00:08] <asac> just a collection of searchplugins ;)
[00:08] <asac> another word in the game
[00:08] <asac> that is unrelated :)
[00:08] <Jazzva> Yep, it can be added easily ... but it's still useful :)
[00:09] <asac> yeah. maybe one should review whats in there as well :)
[00:09] <Jazzva> people/team, bugs, package, specs, support search :)
[00:09] <asac> if its called ff-launchpad or ff-launchpad-integration it definitly has to be more useful than now ,)
[00:09] <Jazzva> (I have it installed)
[00:09] <asac> right
[00:10] <Jazzva> Well, we should also add ubuntu package search (or is it added by default in FF?)...
[00:10] <Jazzva> It is the most useful in my expirience
[00:11] <asac> Jazzva: package search is already in the searchplugin list by default
[00:12] <asac> but i am not sure if that is really useful for the standard end-user
[00:12] <Jazzva> Ok... I couldn't remember if it was there, or I added it :)
[00:12] <Jazzva> It could be moved over to ff-launchpad (or something else)
[00:12] <asac> if so it should read "Ubuntu Software Search" as normal users don't really know what packages are i guess
[00:15] <Jazzva> Well, they could still be confused with the page :)
[00:15] <asac> of course the implementation needs to change
[00:16] <Jazzva> Well, there is an option to move it to ff-lp or whatever, and to leave AddRemove/Synaptic to normal users :)
[00:43] <Jazzva> asac, what was the deal last night about mozilla-noscript? FF3 compat or not? I forgot :)...
[00:43] <Jazzva> And I need to add torbutton-extension.desktop file to a-i-d, and that's it :)
[02:32] <Jazzva> asac, pushed app-install-data http://code.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.mozilla-extensions . Torbutton is working with bumped maxVersion and corrected install dirs. I'm off to sleep, so I'll finish that tomorrow.
[02:33] <Jazzva> That would be it for app-install-data... Only thing left is to update mozilla-imagezoom and mozgest's depends, to include Thunderbird (I think both work with it, will test tomorrow)
[02:34] <Jazzva> And I will send e-mail to QA contacts now to ask if they can update fields for their extensions on wiki page :)
[02:34] <Jazzva> Good night, all :)
[09:06] <asac> Jazzva: noscript is ffox 3 compat
[09:25] <asac> Jazzva: yesterday it also turned out that imagenuke is ffox3 compatible
[09:25] <asac> Jazzva: i reuploaded it with the proper install hooks for ffox3 ... so we should adapt app-install-data too i guess
[09:32] <asac> bug 162993
[09:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162993 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993
[10:17] <Jazzva> asac, done :)
[10:19] <Jazzva> (a-i-d)
[10:21] <asac> Jazzva: cool ;)
[10:21] <asac> nukeimage promoted?
[10:22] <Jazzva> yep ... added x-...-ff
[10:28] <fta2> mozilla bug 409227
[10:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 409227 in SVG "Multiple images within a <g> tag do not display properly when setting opacity value" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409227
[11:34] <Jazzva> Off to school ... See you later
[13:03] <mlind> asac,fta: if you're planning to upload newer firefox-2 for Hardy, so you mind checking bug #218594 ?
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218594 in firefox "firefox-2 install symlinks against wrong nss" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218594
[13:09] <Volans> fta: Hi, I have a question for you about the wiki page for firefox3 extension
[13:10] <asac> Volans: what info do you need?
[13:11] <asac> mlind: maybe provide a patch?
[13:11] <Volans> Hi asac :) I have updated the wiki page following the Saša mail and I have proposed to link the source package name to the LP page
[13:12] <Volans> but Saša tell me to ask fta in order to know if this can be confusing for his script
[13:12] <mlind> asac: okay
[13:13] <asac> Volans: ah ok
[13:13] <asac> Volans: the idea is good ... but coordinate with fta indeed ;)
[13:14] <Volans> ok, I'm waiting for him
[13:32] <asac> mlind: as it looks now i will prepare the hardy update in about 8 hours or so :)
[13:32] <asac> so stiill some time to help me with that patch ;)
[13:35] <mlind> asac: i'll attach one in a moment
[13:36] <asac> mlind: mayb even use the bzr branch and do the change there :)
[13:36] <asac> but bug + diff is ok
[13:37] <mlind> asac: brz is for people with higher education than me ;)
[13:37] <mlind> asac: so if bug + diff is okay, I'd go with that
[13:45] <asac> sure
[13:45]  * asac off for a few
[15:08] <jetsaredim> asac: fyi - firebug is still listing the older version in the svn repo
[15:25] <mlind> asac: attached a debdiff in bug #218594. thanks for the new version btw.
[15:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218594 in firefox "firefox-2 install symlinks against wrong nss" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218594
[19:00] <Volans> fta: ping
[19:23]  * Volans dinner time... come back later
[20:18] <fta> hi
[20:30] <asac> hi fta
[20:31] <fta> asac, did you do <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:32] <asac> fta: i _am_
[20:32] <asac> the dapper package is already uploaded
[20:33] <asac> which is usually the most painful thing
[20:33] <fta> i wanted to do sm but it's not out yet
[20:35] <asac> fta: i think kaie asked about that today in #seamonkey
[20:38] <fta> too bad the lastest google earth is broken in hardy: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2008/04/3d-buildings-galore.html
[20:40] <asac> i didn't even know that it works on linux at all ;)
[20:45] <fta> asac, we have googleearth-package, which creates a deb from the non-free binary tarball
[20:46] <fta> i've told you that when i've made the firefox-minefield deb creator in mozilla-devscripts
[20:47] <asac> ok, i think i remember vaguely now
[20:50] <Volans> fta: I have updated the wiki page following the Saša mail and I have proposed to link the source package name to the LP page, but Saša tell me to ask you in order to know if this can be a problem for ypur script
[20:51] <Volans> s/ypur/your/
[20:52] <fta> Volans, hm, there's no showstopper on my side, if your change makes sense, i'll update my script :)
[20:53] <fta> here, it makes sense. please proceed, i'll update my side accordingly
[20:53] <Volans> I don't know what your script have to do, but I think that can be useful to have the direct link to the source package on LP on the source package name
[20:53] <Volans> I have do this for my extension
[20:54] <Volans> you can see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions , Ubuntu-it Menu on the first table
[20:55] <fta> if you change the format, please try to di it for the whole table so it's consistent
[20:57] <Mirv> asac: note https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/218848 - I'm asking for help from mozilla.fi folks, but the problem is definitely ubuntu-spefic and fi_FI specific
[20:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218848 in firefox "XML error when going to site needing certificate exception when using fi_FI.UTF-8" [Undecided,New]
[20:58] <Volans> fta: ok, I will adjust the table
[21:05] <asac> Mirv: can you reproduce?
[21:06] <asac> oh you reported ;)
[21:06] <Mirv> asac: it's my bug... not a problem in upstream, but in our version. diff is hard to do since the po file usage makes stuff different, but we're trying. have to see tomorrow probably in more detail.
[21:06] <asac> Mirv: please looks at the addons dialog
[21:06] <asac> do you see lang packs for both: xul + ffox?
[21:08] <Mirv> asac: yes. everything else has worked without problems, but it would sound like a typo or something somewhere, but not spotting such in Rosetta in the ubuntu-specific changes done
[21:13] <Volans> fta: for mozgest wich of the two packages I have to link? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=mozgest
[21:14] <Mirv> asac: I'll try to debug it more tomorrow and find the problem causing it
[21:16] <fta> Volans, usually, the one that has the exact name in the wiki
[21:27] <Volans> ok fta, can I fix some source packages names where the binary instead of the source is inserted?
[21:27] <fta> i need the soource everywhere, so yes
[21:36] <Volans> fta: done, I have changed all the tables before the Obsolete list section...
[21:36] <fta> thanks
[21:42] <fta> no impact on my script. excellent :)
[21:44] <Volans> good :)
[21:45] <Volans> I hope this can be useful
[21:47] <asac> Mirv: ill try to reproduce
[21:47] <asac> that is serious enough to justify immediate action imo
[21:54] <Volans> asac: can I help you in some way, maybe trying to reproduce this bug?
[21:56] <asac> Mirv: how can i reproduce?
[21:56] <asac> Volans: sure, but i think we need info from Mirv on a testcase
[21:56] <asac> its https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/218848
[21:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218848 in firefox "XML error when going to site needing certificate exception when using fi_FI.UTF-8" [Undecided,New]
[22:16] <asac> Mirv: ok i think i have an idea
[22:24] <Volans> asac: can be an encodig problem on the dtd files that is not correctly utf-8?
[22:24] <asac> no it looka likE a bug in C code :(
[22:28] <Volans> and it appears only in FI locale??? quite strange...
[22:28] <asac> it appears in de locale as well
[22:30] <asac> O_APPEND appears to not do what its supposed to
[22:30] <asac> but somehow i can't believe it ;)
[22:31] <asac> i have to first smoke a cigarette and get some distance :)
[22:32] <Volans> ahaha :)
[22:32] <asac> not good ;) ... i know :)
[22:32] <asac> Volans: do you know C?
[22:33] <Volans> yes, I know it but I'm not expert
[22:34] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/lang.png
[22:34] <asac> fta: yeah
[22:34] <asac> thats intentional
[22:35] <asac> as you run something that broke strings we cannot provide a better maxVersion now
[22:35] <asac> e.g. once we get RC1 i will open up maxVersion in the langpacks
[22:35] <asac> but maybe ill wait for final to be sure
[22:35] <asac> you never know :)
[22:37] <asac> fta: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/rosetta/po2xpi
[22:37] <asac> could you take a look at the src/main.c file and see if you see any file open that doesn't APPEND ?
[22:38] <asac> Volans: ^^ maybe you too ;)
[22:38] <Volans> ok I will take a look :)
[22:41] <Volans> asac: previously ypu refer to  O_APPEND on line 547?
[22:42] <asac> yeah ... that should be right
[22:42] <asac> there is also OPEN_FLAGS ... that has O_APPEND as well
[22:42] <asac> but that looks right to me
[22:43] <Volans> there are only 3 open functions, 2 with  OPEN_FLAGS and the last with O_APPEND
[22:43] <asac> yeah ... damn
[22:43] <asac> :)
[22:43] <asac> most likely its in runpo2xpi then
[22:43] <asac> i carefully prefill files there with ENTITY.*SYSTEM things
[22:43] <asac> but those are missing in the result
[22:43] <asac> either the targetpath is wrong or something else is going bad :)
[22:44] <asac> i hoped it was a missing APPEND in the bloody C code
[22:44] <asac> runpo2xpi is not less bloody though :;(
[22:44] <Volans> maybe adding some debug output can be helpful
[22:48] <Volans> asac: you are sure that can't be a problem of the dtd file?
[22:48] <asac> well ... at lest this bug has to go before we can tell
[22:49] <asac> but given that everything else works i am pretty sure its the missing SYSTEM entities in the .dtd files
[22:50] <asac> i think i found the bug :)
[22:51] <asac> but now i am confused ;)
[23:00] <Volans> confused why it works for the other locales?
[23:04] <fta> asac, hm, another commit with bug id.. "Set version to NSS 3.12.1 Beta on NSS trunk. Note: NSS 3.12.0 RTM will be delivered from NSS_3_12_0_BRANCH."
[23:16] <asac> Volans: no :) ... confused why it still doesn't work ;)
[23:17] <asac> Volans: if you look at chrome://global/content/netError.xhtml
[23:17] <asac> you get the %netErrorDTD; thing
[23:18] <asac> but if you look into that file its chrome://global/locale/netError.dtd that it tries to open
[23:18] <asac> that works
[23:18] <asac> e.g. opening that in location bar
[23:23] <Volans> I'm looking, but not sure to understand the problem...
[23:24] <asac> me neither ;)
[23:24] <asac> once i understand it ill have the fix quick i guess ;)
[23:26] <asac> for whatever reason the XML parser cannot resolve the netError.dtd from what i can see
[23:29] <Volans> I see only two things, the SYSTEM instead of PUBLIC, but if the chrome://global/locale/global.dtd is resolved correctly why the first not? Maybe changing the order of the three?
[23:29] <asac> Volans: i am actually not sure if the parser gets that far
[23:30] <asac> if it breaks it will probably stop parsing and never see that entity
[23:30] <Volans> I see that in global.dtd the only line is: <!ENTITY locale.dir "ltr">
[23:30] <Volans> maybe we have to define this before the other
[23:30] <Volans> unless FF do not know the locale dir?
[23:32] <asac> the xhtml is not locale specific, so every locale does it in that order
[23:34] <Volans> right...
[23:34] <asac> maybe its an entity resolver bug that cannot look in extensions ;) ... but i am pretty sure that this mechanism is also used elsewhere
[23:34] <asac> though not really often
[23:35] <asac> or rather in "different jars" :)
[23:36] <asac> well but thats wrong it does look in different jars the official extensions as well
[23:40] <Volans> asac: I'm trying to find the securityOverride.linkText entity in the dtd file... but not found in the en-US.jar archive, where I have to search?
[23:41] <asac> Volans: ?
[23:41] <asac> there are two en-US.jar
[23:41] <asac> xulrunner-1.9 and firefox-3.0
[23:41] <Volans> oh yes... I'm searching in the wrong one :)
[23:41] <Volans> sorry
[23:50] <asac> Volans: ok at least the " are not escaped
[23:50] <asac> <!ENTITY deniedPortAccess.longDesc """">
[23:50] <asac> thats in browser/locale/netError.dtd
[23:50] <asac> ok lets escape " :)
[23:52] <Volans> in en-US I have <!ENTITY deniedPortAccess.longDesc "">
[23:53] <asac> yeah
[23:53] <asac> that will definitly make the parser die ;)


[14:44] <fajung> hello, I'm on ubuntu 12.04, and I wonder if I can add to the unity's launcher side bar mounted partition under /mnt/. my partition is mounted at '/mnt/Warehouse'
[15:25] <fajung> is there a way to display a mounted partition in the unity's launcher bar?
[15:26] <fajung> my partition is mounted at /mnt/....


[16:37] <phillw> hi good people... very quick question.. which script checks for the presence of PAE flag in the alternate (server) installer ISO system. I need to disable it as I have a non-pae kernel :)
[16:41] <cjwatson> kernel/i386.sh in the base-installer source package
[16:42] <cjwatson> I suggest you make your change by way of the test suite ("make test")
[16:43] <cjwatson> You'll probably want to change arch_check_usable_kernel for the case where the computed kernel flavour name is "486"
[16:45] <phillw> Hi Colin, I have the ISO mounted at non-pae (done the replacement of the kernel and rebuilt the md5 sums etc) I'm using make menuconfig can I change the processor type in there also (I use it to drop the High Memory support from 64Gb to 4 GB)
[16:45] <cjwatson> No idea
[16:46] <cjwatson> Not a kernel hacker
[16:59] <phillw> okies, I'll await bodhi-zazen dropping by again... such a silly thing to fail at!


[18:20] <ice9> Hi, I've an offtopic question but I need someone from egypt to help me, so may I post it here?


[09:12] <littlebit> hi people, I have ubuntu-server installed and have a question about a package when it will be available. The package that I'm looking for is the Podman Containers from the cockpit-project.org
[16:00] <diddledani> littlebit: it won't be added to 20.04, or 18.04, because those are stable releases. It has been added since 20.10, so will be available in the 22.04 LTS release


[13:43] <andyrock> hey all
[14:04] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you? had good holidays?
[14:04] <andyrock> a lot of food and resting
[14:04] <andyrock> what about you? :)
[14:04] <seb128> same!
[14:04] <seb128> which was good
[14:05] <seb128> slowly getting back in business now
[15:09] <b4n> hi
[15:09] <b4n> I'm trying to tackle https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1653072 down, but I'm not very knowledgeable about X event interception
[15:09] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1653072 in Compiz "Make accessibility shortcuts usable in all context" [Undecided,New]
[15:10] <b4n> so, has someone a pointer for me so I don't peek too far the tree?
[15:11] <b4n> basically the problem is the plugins need to get binding events also when there's a keyboard grab active -- well, at any time that is
[17:22] <andyrock> b4n: it's not just about shortcuts
[17:22] <andyrock> e.g. the ezoom plugin fails to properly zoom in/out unity
[17:22] <b4n> andyrock: you mean at all?
[17:23] <andyrock> hikiko did some work on it
[17:23] <andyrock> let me check the negative plugin
[17:23] <andyrock> give me 10 mins
[17:24] <b4n> sure
[17:24] <b4n> BTW, maybe XI2 and the XI_Raw* events would work.  Mumble seems to be using that and Mumble works with grabs just fine
[17:25] <andyrock> and the true problem is that  the screensaver and the menus have the grab
[17:25] <andyrock> using XI2 should work but the amount of work is huge
[17:26] <b4n> :(
[17:26] <andyrock> I'm wondering how Orca does that
[17:27] <b4n> the unaware X guy I am hoped it could be a matter of enabling XI2 and adding support for its events (possibly manually in the specific plugins if that's easier in the mantime)
[17:27] <b4n> andyrock: I tried to check out, but I don't really understand their code
[17:27] <b4n> it's in at-spi2-core
[17:27] <b4n> but it looks hairy
[17:28] <andyrock> mmm not sure you can do that hacking a single plugin but I can take a look
[17:29] <b4n> https://git.gnome.org/browse/at-spi2-core/tree/registryd deviceeventcontroller-x11.c and event-source.c I'd say
[17:29] <b4n> that would be awesome :)
[17:34] <andyrock> i think we can use at-spi directly inside that plugins but I'm not completly sure
[17:34] <andyrock> b4n: ^^^
[17:34] <andyrock> I'll take a look
[17:35] <b4n> oh, I didn't think of that.  sounds kind of hacky but possibly no more than manually handling XI2 indeed, and possibly easier
[17:36] <b4n> andyrock: thanks


[00:40] <philipballew> jorge's link is put under the planet. i think it should be under cloud news. Am I wrong?
[01:28] <bkerensa> I put it under Planet and can move it
[02:28] <pleia2> ones from jorge's blog can sometimes go either way, the cloud.ubuntu.com always go under cloud news
[03:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: Ahh ok :) next time Ill put it there and looks like someone moved it for me
[03:48] <pleia2> thanks for helping out :)
[06:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: Things should be settling down for me in the next week and a half... I'm just finishing painting and decorating :)
[06:36] <bkerensa> then hopefully we can do the first walkthrough
[06:43] <pleia2> bkerensa: great :) I tend to do the release around 5PM pacific on Monday evening since that's when work ends for me
[06:44] <bkerensa> pleia2: Ok :) I'm working on our Dev News right now :) waiting on dholbach
[06:44] <bkerensa> he comes on 11pm 12:00am our time :(
[06:44]  * pleia2 nods
[06:44] <bkerensa> then I have to turn around and be up at 8am and do a meeting :P
[06:44] <pleia2> we have a CC meeting in the morning, end of his day, beginning of mine ;)
[06:44] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:44] <bkerensa> I have a meeting with jono and his team in morning
[06:45] <pleia2> ah yes, global jam stuff?
[06:45] <bkerensa> Yeah... Jono asked me and uhh Randall Ross to help with North America stuffs
[06:45] <bkerensa> idk what we have left.... I just cant wait for April 26th
[06:45] <bkerensa> :D
[07:22] <pleia2> I'm still hoping someone down here does something ;)
[07:40] <bkerensa> :D
[08:04] <dholbach> bkerensa, hey
[08:07] <dholbach> bkerensa, do we have a picture of Robert?
[08:09] <bkerensa> ?
[08:09] <bkerensa> dholbach: It should be in the doc... I uploaded one
[08:09] <dholbach> oh ok
[08:09] <dholbach> I can't see it in the doc
[08:09]  * dholbach reloads the page
[08:09] <bkerensa> heh
[08:09] <dholbach> ahhh
[08:09] <dholbach> here we go
[08:09] <dholbach> thanks muchly
[08:10] <dholbach> I'll get on it right away
[08:10] <dholbach> and see what I can add - I'll let you know when I'm done
[08:10] <bkerensa> dholbach: So I added that area marked (idea) but I'm not sure after reviewing Planet if we have enough to develop that idea I had
[08:10] <bkerensa> kk
[08:10] <dholbach> ok, I'll take a look at it
[08:10] <bkerensa> Ill let you crack at it then I can take a crack
[08:10] <dholbach> thanks a lot for your work on this
[08:10] <bkerensa> I need to be asleep by 1am though because I have a hangout with you at 8am :P
[08:10] <bkerensa> :D
[08:11] <bkerensa> its 12am now
[08:14] <dholbach> ok, best you hop into bed then :)
[08:14] <dholbach> I like the idea about highlighting developer blog entries
[08:14] <dholbach> so I'll see what I can dig out
[08:20] <bkerensa> dholbach: Ok well then see you in the morning but if you need more help finishing let me know... I will be up for the meeting with your team in eight hours
[08:20] <bkerensa> seeya
[08:20]  * dholbach hugs bkerensa
[08:20] <dholbach> sleep tight
[08:20] <dholbach> and thanks again :)
[08:42] <dholbach> bkerensa, so I went through all the posts in my "Ubuntu developer" G
[08:42] <dholbach> bkerensa, so I went through all the posts in my "Ubuntu developer" G+ circle and found lots of good stuff
[08:42] <dholbach> this way we can let the developers speak for themselves :)
[09:30] <Lionthinker> greatings all
[09:30] <Lionthinker> I would like to be involved with the weekly newsletter
[09:30] <dholbach> hey Lionthinker - that's awesome
[09:31] <Lionthinker> great, so how does this happen?
[09:31] <dholbach> I'm personally not too involved in the Ubuntu Weekly News, but more in Development news
[09:31] <Lionthinker> not being a great programmer, or any type of programmer I figure its one area I could help in
[09:32] <dholbach> maybe it'd be a good idea to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter and the pages linked from there to learn a bit more about the organisation and how the team works
[09:32] <dholbach> ...until somebody shows up who is a bit more experienced with UWN is put together :)
[09:32] <Lionthinker> i read it, but it was sparce
[09:33] <dholbach> there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies and https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk where the actual work goes on
[09:34] <Lionthinker> thanks
[09:34] <dholbach> I could imagine (I'll just say this now until somebody else can clarify) that it helps to work a bit on the summaries
[09:35] <dholbach> so checking out some of the news and writing a nice summary 3-4 line summary of what it's about
[09:36] <dholbach> maybe you can mark all your contributions with a marker, so somebody else can double-check them (like "added by Lionthinker, please let me know on IRC if it is alright" or something along those lines)
[09:36] <dholbach> Lionthinker, I hope that gives you a little bit perspective and is of some help (with me not being on the core team :-))
[09:37] <Lionthinker> it does and thanks
[09:37] <Lionthinker> the world ubuntu is vast and very alive
[09:37] <dholbach> :-)
[09:39] <Lionthinker> gotta go, later
[11:23] <dholbach> bkerensa, update posted
[15:07] <bkerensa> dholbach: Excellent
[15:11] <dholbach> that's something we can probably always do: just check whatever happened on G+ in a circle of Ubuntu devs
[15:12] <bkerensa> dholbach: Heh... I have just two circles.... VIP and Pages
[15:12] <bkerensa> :D
[15:13] <bkerensa> It would be epic interesting to sort VIP into smaller circles.... I have about 800+ people in it
[15:14] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/109795858099658821877/posts/bykpfc5jgiN
[15:14] <dholbach> I could probably add many more, but that's one I made a few weeks ago
[15:15] <dholbach> once you're past all the kitten videos and "this is what my mom thinks I do" pics, there's quite a number of newsworthy things in there
[15:20] <bkerensa> dholbach: You will have to tell me sometime what exactly Foundations does...
[15:20] <bkerensa> I know slangasek is on the team but he was unable to explain what they do in a way I understood
[15:20] <bkerensa> :D
[15:21] <dholbach> everything which does not happen in the kernel, but teams like desktop and server rely on
[15:21] <dholbach> booting up
[15:21] <dholbach> installation
[15:22] <dholbach> package installation (although software-center is in a separate team)
[15:22] <dholbach> things like that
[15:22] <dholbach> of course there's enough team overlap, and that's a good thing
[15:54] <bkerensa> dholbach: I sent questions upstream (akgraner) to be routed to pgraner (Kernel Team)
[15:54] <dholbach> great
[15:54] <bkerensa> so perhaps next week we can use that
[15:54] <bkerensa> :)
[19:20] <akgraner> he's got them, but he won't be working on them today
[22:30] <pleia2> I'll toss the 10.04.4 announcement on the fridge unless somoene else is working on it
[22:30] <akgraner> thanks lyz - I'm not as I am finishing a book chapter however if you need me to I will


[00:00] <thumper> ugh
[00:00] <thumper> how about we just fix the tests to not suck?
[00:05] <davecheney> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4920/
[00:05] <davecheney> review pls ? kai thx
[00:05]  * thumper looks
[00:54] <anastasiamac> davecheney: morning \o/ r u working on bug 1586244? shall i mark it as in progress?
[00:54] <mup> Bug #1586244: state: DATA RACE in watcher <2.0-count> <race-condition> <juju-core:New for dave-cheney> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586244>
[01:19] <axw> wallyworld: lol, 42 pages of diff
[01:19] <axw> 840 files changed
[01:19] <wallyworld> oh jeez
[01:19] <wallyworld> i didn't look
[01:19] <anastasiamac> \o/
[01:20] <wallyworld> didn't realise we had that many juju/name imports
[01:26] <mup> Bug #1581966 changed: controller node need to be restart for comissionning new nodes or lxc .. <cpe-sa> <orange-box> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581966>
[01:30] <davecheney> anastasiamac: i had a look at it on friday
[01:30] <davecheney> its not a simple bug to fix
[01:31] <davecheney> but i believe it is restricted to tests only
[01:31] <davecheney> because they mutate the results they get back from the state watcher
[01:31] <davecheney> which the contract for Get says they must not
[01:32] <anastasiamac> k. i marked as triaged and unassigned from u (until the time when u or someone else can pick it up). tyvm :D
[01:34] <davecheney> np
[01:37] <axw> wallyworld: reviewed
[01:37] <wallyworld> ty and sorry
[01:40] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, i forgot about the global key prefix, sigh another 1000000 files affected in the next branch
[01:56] <mup> Bug # changed: 1482015, 1518131, 1540650, 1575469, 1577939, 1585300
[02:01] <davecheney> thumper: ping
[02:01] <thumper> hey
[02:01] <thumper> coming
[02:01] <davecheney> np
[02:36] <axw> menn0: you didn't make any changes to do with known_hosts at bootstrap time did you? still getting WARNING at bootstrap
[02:37] <menn0> axw: no I didn't do that. I created bug 1579593 to track that.
[02:37] <mup> Bug #1579593: SSH host keys for bootstrap aren't checked <security> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579593>
[02:37] <axw> menn0: cool, thanks
[02:53] <mup> Bug #1586880 opened: provider/lxd: instance names are overly long <blocker> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586880>
[04:05] <axw> wallyworld: can you PTAL at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4919/
[04:05] <wallyworld> sure
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1586890 opened: Cloud/credentials details should be stored in state separate from model config <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586890>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1586891 opened: There is no command for removing clouds <blocker> <juju-core:In Progress by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586891>
[07:29] <dimitern> frobware: pinh
[07:29] <dimitern> ping even
[11:33] <mup> Bug #1578376 changed: Cannot add MAAS credentials through juju add-credential <juju-release-support> <maas-provider> <usability> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1578376>
[16:21] <perrito666> morning to those of you not on holidays
[20:06] <thumper> fwereade: ping
[20:07] <fwereade> thumper, joining
[20:07] <thumper> kk
[22:51] <thumper> holy moley I think I'm done...
[22:51]  * thumper runs tests again
[22:51] <thumper> I am still finding issues with a few tests
[22:52] <thumper> but I think at least one of them has a fix from davecheney racy
[22:52] <thumper> is the reboot package still intermittently failing for others?
[22:52]  * thumper should pull master and update
[23:03] <wallyworld> perrito666: could you please eyeball this mechanical change and +1 https://github.com/juju/charmrepo/pull/95
[23:03] <perrito666> sure
[23:05] <perrito666> wallyworld: done, looks good, ship it
[23:05] <wallyworld> ty
[23:07] <perrito666> their bot accepts a squirrel as parameter, we need that
[23:07] <perrito666> like now
[23:09] <davecheney> perrito666: 🐘 for not lgtm
[23:09] <davecheney> 😭 for really not lgtm
[23:10] <davecheney> 💣 for LGTM and we'll fix the review comments in the next PR
[23:10] <davecheney> (i hope the emomji is coming through)
[23:10] <perrito666> they are, but my chat client is using the standart-ish unicode ones
[23:11] <perrito666> which are not all that nice
[23:11] <perrito666> it is amazing how those things are actually googleable