[01:12] <willwh_> DarwinSurvivor: indeed - FireTray doesn't seem to work in 10.02?
[01:12] <willwh_> everything else looks Windows specific?
[01:57] <DarwinSurvivor> willwh_: does it not work, or just say it's not compatible?
[01:57] <DarwinSurvivor> many old extensions still work in the new versions, the author just hasn't increased the "works in FOO version" value in the extension yet


[03:42] <azert> hello
[03:43] <azert> i m working in a small company where they manage 120 server
[03:44] <azert> i m looking for a software able to stock server component  the location, the position, the connexion etc ....
[03:44] <azert> is there any opensource web based are there ?
[05:17] <sarthor> Hi, "Consider me non expert" I have dyndns paid pro account, 20$/year, In my home i have 8 mb/sec DSL line, and also i have some 8core of AMD machine with proxmox installed, I have virtual ubuntu-server 12.04 installed on that proxmox. I have one domain www.xyz.com without hosting with some registrar, My question is that is it possible to host my website on my home machine and also mail and dns servers? If yes so I will need some guidance in
[05:17] <sarthor>  shape of some Internet links of How to's, Thanks waiting.
[05:18] <Venom> do most ubuntu servers use command line only?
[05:20] <sarthor> Hi, "Consider me non expert" I have dyndns paid pro account, 20$/year, In my home i have 8 mb/sec DSL line, and also i have some 8core of AMD machine with proxmox installed, I have virtual ubuntu-server 12.04 installed on that proxmox. I have one domain www.xyz.com without hosting with some registrar, My question is that is it possible to host my website on my home machine and also mail and dns servers without spending more money? If yes so
[05:20] <sarthor> I will need some guidance in shape of some Internet links of How to's, Thanks waiting.
[05:29] <ScottK> sarthor: There's really nothing Ubuntu specific about your question.
[05:33] <sarthor> ScottK: Which will be the appropriate channel to ask such question? Really brother I do not know,
[05:34] <ScottK> The general answer to your question is, "It's possible, but there are some inherent limits to how reliable it'll be.  That may be good enough for you.  However, you're almost certainly violating the terms of service with your ISP to do it."
[05:35] <ScottK> If you look at the Ubuntu server guide it tells you how to set up an Ubuntu server to the things you mentioned.
[05:35] <sarthor> ScottK: I am just learning, I do want to do it as permanant bases. I am a learner.
[05:36] <ScottK> The one part that's different is the dyndns part and they probably have documentation.
[05:36] <ScottK> I'm not judging if you should or not, just making sure you know.
[05:36] <sarthor> I do not want to do it as permanent*
[05:48] <ScottK> In any case use the Ubuntu Server guide and dyndns documentation to get started.
[13:13] <AlphaWolf> I've got a HFS+ (non-journaled) and I've been trying to get write permissions. I followed a lot of things from Google, but I've only gotten so far. I have chown-ed myself to the folder, but I thill can't write to it, despite the message "warning <drive> has been mounted read-only" not appearing after I chown-ed myself. ls -a shows "drwxrwxr-x 1 joseph   99     7 Jul 28 13:58 TimeMachine". Any ideas, anyone?
[15:29] <maxagaz> hi
[15:30] <maxagaz> how to check that mysql is open on a distant server and on which port (I didn't change it, so it chould be the default one)
[15:36] <SpamapS> maxagaz: mysql -h thehost -uyouruser -pyourpass
[15:37] <maxagaz> SpamapS: I have seen with nmap that it's filtered, so not open
[15:37] <maxagaz> 3306/tcp filtered mysql
[15:37] <maxagaz> how can I open it ?
[15:38] <SpamapS> maxagaz: probably with a firewall rule
[15:38] <maxagaz> SpamapS: I didn't set my firewall
[15:40] <albert23> maxagaz: by default mysql only listens on localhost
[15:41] <maxagaz> albert23: how to make it listen to external addresses ?
[15:41] <maxagaz> albert23: or just 2 or 3 addresses
[15:41] <albert23> you can change it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[15:41] <albert23> change this line: bind-address           = <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:44] <qman__> remember, mysql connections are in the clear, so only do that on a trusted network or tunnel over SSL
[15:46] <maxagaz> albert23: to what should I change it ?
[15:46] <maxagaz> can I change it to: bind-address = ip1, ip2, ip3 ?
[15:47] <albert23> you van try. Using one address may also be enough?
[15:48] <albert23> and <IP_ADDRESS> would listen on any address
[15:50] <maxagaz> albert23: <IP_ADDRESS> sounds dangerous
[15:51] <albert23> I would prefer to use just one address indeed
[15:54] <maxagaz> albert23: I tried <IP_ADDRESS>, but nmap still shows it as "filtered"
[15:55] <albert23> maxagaz: did you restart mysql?
[15:55] <maxagaz> albert23: yes I did
[15:56] <albert23> you can check on the remote server if mysql is indeed listening on all addresses
[15:56] <albert23> otherwise I guess there is some firewall between you and the server
[15:56] <maxagaz> I have also opened the firewall
[15:57] <maxagaz> with: sudo /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT
[15:58] <albert23> and there is no rule that could drop mysql before that line?
[16:00] <maxagaz> albert23: it's the only time I changed rules on this server
[16:00] <albert23> you may want to check all rules with sudo iptables -L -v. That will also show which rules are being used for traffic
[16:02] <maxagaz> albert23: https://gist.github.com/3193838
[16:03] <albert23> that shows 0 hits for the mysql rule
[16:07] <maxagaz> albert23: amazon must be blocking somewhere
[16:11] <albert23> maxagaz: that's the first thing to check. As long as you don't see hits in your fw rule, mysql itself is not relevant yet
[16:12] <maxagaz> albert23: I understand, thanks a lot for your help!
[16:13] <albert23> no problem
[16:13] <TheLordOfTime> Bug 1030332 which was just announced here appears Incomplete btw
[16:13] <TheLordOfTime> in case the server team's wondering
[20:04] <AlphaWolf> I've a samba share setup, and in /etc/samba/smb.conf I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/1116214/ at the bottom of my file. I have have "security = user". However, when I try and access the files (under Ubuntu Desktop or Windows 7), it does not accept my username/password (e.g. the one I would use when logging in through ssh). Do I need to add my user in the samba config somewhere?
[20:05] <genii-around> sudo smbpasswd -a username && smbpasswd -e username   ( -a is add, -e is enable )
[20:05] <AlphaWolf> is it a good idea to use the same username/password as my "main" user?
[20:05] <genii-around> I missed putting sudo there in the second command, apologies
[20:06] <AlphaWolf> Oh, sorry, I read that wrong
[20:07] <genii-around> AlphaWolf: There are different ideas on the subject. I have here a user and group which is only for smb users and use that, mapping bad usernames or passwords to guest user instead.
[20:08] <AlphaWolf> I guess I'm lucky that security isn't much of an issue
[20:09] <AlphaWolf> I was more thinking about if it would cause issues within the system, rather than logically.
[20:47] <henkjan> has anyone seen excessive slab cache growth in ubuntu precise?
[20:47] <henkjan> we are using ubuntu precise as a fileserver
[20:47] <henkjan> server iscsi and nfs
[20:48] <henkjan> oom killer kills the host every few days
[20:48] <henkjan> looking back with atop show slab cache growing 'till al memory is gone
[20:50] <PatrickDK> well, check to see what is using all your slab memory
[20:55] <henkjan> hmm, i guess ext4 inode cache
[20:55] <henkjan> but guessing is not enough
[20:55] <henkjan> time to measure


[02:33] <dibdib> Hello, I've got a fairly simple question about the software included in Ubuntu Studio.
[02:33] <dibdib> What version of Ardour is included?
[02:33] <dibdib> I didn't seem to see it on the website.
[02:33] <holstein> dibdib: depends on what version of ubuntu you are referencing
[02:34] <holstein> ubuntu is not rolling, so, whatever version is "current" when that version of ubuntu releases is included,
[02:34] <holstein> !info ardour
[02:34] <dibdib> Ah, yes, so it's not as simple of a question as I had thought. I'm sorry.
[02:34] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ardour
[02:35] <Unit193> !info ardour4
[02:35] <Unit193> !info ardour3
[02:36] <Unit193> !info ardour3 wily
[02:36] <holstein> ardour4 should be in 15.10..
[02:36] <holstein> there are many ways to get ardour4
[02:36] <Unit193> It is, as ardour3. :D
[02:36] <holstein> hehe ;)
[02:36] <Unit193> !info ardour3 vivid-backports
[02:36] <Unit193> !info ardour3 trusty-backports
[02:36] <Unit193> Meh.
[02:37] <dibdib> Hmm. Thank you folks for your help.
[02:42] <dibdib> Ah hell, I closed my other chat and left this one open.
[12:58] <deliad> hi
[12:59] <deliad> i got my usb recongnized by in cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:59] <deliad> but can't select it in alsa mixer
[13:00] <deliad> it's working only thru jack
[13:00] <deliad> how i can make it work with alsa directly?


[04:09] <womble> Hi, I'm trying to get ubuntu server to run on a sun 2100 fire server (amd64)
[04:09] <womble> The network appears up but I can't ping anything, just get destination host unreachable and the connection works on another machine...
[04:11] <womble> Anyone able to suggest what I can try?
[04:19] <Ries> what does ifconfig tell you?
[04:21] <nictuku> what does mii-tool tell you?
[04:22] <Ries> what does the book of a thousand and one answers tell you?
[04:53] <goofey> does the ubuntu lamp server install include everything the ubuntu server install would?
[04:54] <Ries> goofey: I think LAMP stands for Linux Apache Mysql PHP
[04:54] <Ries> if you need that... it will work...
[04:55] <goofey> it does stand for Linux Apache Mysql PHP - the question is - doews it also install all the stuff that would come with a standard ubuntu server install (ie: samba, cups, nfs etc)
[04:58] <Squee> Is it possible to deny a mac address an IP when using ubuntu as a dhcp server?
[05:00] <Ries> Squee: so you don't supply a IP ?
[05:00] <Ries> Ahh
[05:00] <Ries> yeaa
[05:00] <Ries> that is possible...
[05:00] <Ries> I think it's in the doc of the DHCP server how to do that
[05:02] <Squee> alright thanks
[05:02] <Squee> I'm running a game server for our lan... and we need a way to ban cheaters from the network
[05:03] <nictuku> filter using using firewall rules would be much more effective
[05:03] <Squee> why is that?
[05:05] <Ries> I agree with nictuku....
[05:05] <goofey> another way to ask this question: is it possible to add "automatic lamp" (as described here: http://www.ubuntu.com/server) to a standard ubuntu server install?
[05:05] <nictuku> Squee, because they could just setup a static IP
[05:05] <Squee> nictuku good point
[05:06] <Squee> I was hoping that they wouldn't know how to do that but completely banning them from accessing the server does sound better
[05:06] <Ries> goofey: what areyou trying todo?? LAMP installes just some software (I think)
[05:07] <Ries> Squee: How do you know that they are cheaters?
[05:07] <Ries> do you see that ny there MAC address ?
[05:07] <goofey> Ries: that's what i'm trying to find out - the url i gave says that is "integrates" lamp if using the lamp install - does it do the same if i apt-get apache php mysql?
[05:07] <Squee> We already caught 2 people at our last lan...  we have their mac adress
[05:09] <ajmitch> Squee: add them to a range that's unroutable, perhaps - though they could still set it manually
[05:13] <Ries> goofey: yes... you can do that by hand aswell...
[05:14] <goofey> Ries: ok - cool - thanks!
[05:14] <Ries> I personally do it by hand,,,
[05:51] <infinity> goofey: "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 apache2 php5 mysql-server php5-mysql"
[05:51] <infinity> goofey: That's what LAMP does on the install CD, pretty much exactly.
[05:52] <goofey> infinity: excellent!!!!  thanks!!!
[05:53] <goofey> infinity: that's exactly the info i was looking for
[03:19] <tuhl> is this the right channel for Xen and Edgy?


[00:11] <MrAnthrope> Is there an easy way to install Java?
[00:11] <MrAnthrope> this .rpm file business is not working. i get an error.
[00:18] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[00:18] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: If there's anything you need, there's a 99% chance it's in the repositories.
[00:20] <MrAnthrope> Uhg thanks. I'm kind of a Terminal Window newb.
[00:21] <MrAnthrope> I did a search in the Ubuntu Software thing.
[00:21] <MrAnthrope> Nada.
[00:22] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Try Synaptic next time. Software Center is awful.
[00:23] <MrAnthrope> Synaptic?
[00:23] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[00:25] <geirha> You need to add the partner repository
[00:27] <MrAnthrope> Do I need to restart or something? Chrome still doesn't have Java.
[00:29] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Shouldn't... let me grab something
[00:30] <MrAnthrope> And now Chrome is crashing on pages that are supposed to have Java on them (instead of the missing plugin message).
[00:30] <MrAnthrope> well. Not crashing. Page unresponsive.
[00:30] <MrAnthrope> I'm using the official web page to test. http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1
[00:30] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Check Chrome's settings, make sure it's loding the plugin
[00:34] <MrAnthrope> Hrm. I can't figure out how to manage Chrome plugins.
[00:35] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: I don't use Chrome, so I can't really help you
[00:37] <UndiFineD> about:plugins
[00:37] <MrAnthrope> haha thanks :)
[00:39] <MrAnthrope> Now it works.
[00:39] <MrAnthrope> I had some other java plugins I was trying to install on Firefox there.
[00:39] <MrAnthrope> I guess they were messing it up.
[00:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[00:39] <UndiFineD> enjoy MrAnthrope
[00:40] <MrAnthrope> Thanks for all the help guys.
[02:10] <Paz101> hi i am kinda new at ubuntu and i was wondering if i could use the firewall in ubuntu to limit connection times to 2min for each connection(server10.04)
[02:11] <Paz101> dose anyone know anthing about limiting connection times
[04:58] <faina> hello?
[05:18] <aveilleux> !ask | faina
[05:18] <ubot2> faina: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[05:21] <faina> I'm new to IRC and not sure where to go to gain experience with it?
[05:21] <bioterror> like what experience?
[05:22] <faina> what are the common social conventions?
[05:23] <zkriesse_> faina: Ah irc experience is garnered through constant use of irc itself
[05:23] <faina> So then the question becomes, where do you find newbie-friendly irc channels?
[05:23] <zkriesse_> Ah here
[05:24] <zkriesse_> We are a team for beginners
[05:24] <faina> That was my guess.
[05:24] <zkriesse_> We have several sub groups that teach fundamental basics for IRC, wiki/doc work, coding, launchpad, forums even
[05:25] <zkriesse_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[05:26] <faina> Which sub group is the intro-to-irc?
[05:27] <zkriesse> That would be the support group
[05:27] <zkriesse> Which branches down into iirc and others
[05:28] <zkriesse> As far as I remember
[05:28] <faina> Which assuming my reading comprehension is up to snuff would be here...
[05:28] <zkriesse> Ja
[05:33] <faina> What is the "unaffiliated" hostname?
[05:34] <zkriesse> That is obtained by going to #freenode and asking for an unaffiliated cloak
[05:34] <zkriesse> Assuming your registered with bickered
[05:34] <zkriesse> Argh
[05:35] <faina> some kind of typo-autocorrect?
[05:35] <zkriesse> Bickered/nickserv
[05:35] <faina> the NickServer?
[05:35] <zkriesse> Yeah
[05:35] <zkriesse> iPod touch
[05:35] <faina> What's a good irc client for the iPod?
[05:36] <zkriesse> Colloquy
[05:36] <zkriesse> It's what I'm using
[05:36] <zkriesse> On my pc I use XChat
[05:36] <aveilleux> faina: Colloqy is pretty nice, Limechat is okay, and IRC9999 is free but really hard to use
[05:37] <faina> Right now I'm using erc.
[05:37] <zkriesse> Colloquy FTW!!!
[05:38] <faina> The screenshot of colloquy is quite pretty
[05:38]  * JoeMaverickSett say colloquy all the way! :D
[05:39] <zkriesse> Lol
[05:39] <zkriesse> PD187: Long time no see my man
[05:40] <PD187> well except the fact that I just rejoined after a connection time out, I've been idling here still :P
[05:40] <zkriesse> Oh duh
[05:40]  * zkriesse facepalms
[05:40] <zkriesse> Ok y'all goin to bed
[05:41] <faina> Gnight
[05:42] <MrAnthrope> Uhg. How come nothing ever works.
[05:45] <faina> What isn't working?
[05:45] <MrAnthrope> Anything.
[05:45] <faina> I think IRC is working.
[05:45] <MrAnthrope> At least, anything I'm told to do in the terminal.
[05:46] <faina> IMO, learning unix is an awful lot like learning a new language.
[05:46] <MrAnthrope> I can't fix it because I have no idea what ./ means in the terminal.
[05:46] <MrAnthrope> So it just doesn't work.
[05:46] <MrAnthrope> I see the file.
[05:46] <MrAnthrope> It says it's not there.
[05:47] <faina> what are you trying to do?
[05:47] <MrAnthrope> Honestly I don't even know :)
[05:47] <faina> heh
[05:47] <MrAnthrope> lol. I'm trying to regain some of my keyboard's functionality I lost when switching from windows.
[05:47] <faina> ok.
[05:47] <faina> what's the command you're trying to run?
[05:48] <MrAnthrope> ./autgen.sh
[05:48] <faina> Ah ok.
[05:49] <MrAnthrope> I'm trying to make a file or something. To install it.
[05:49] <faina> the comman'd is probably ./autogen.sh
[05:49] <MrAnthrope> i had to install a git command to do git clone git:blahblahblah
[05:49] <faina> ./command means to run run the command in the current directory
[05:49] <MrAnthrope> then I changed to the directory where it ...git got?
[05:49] <faina> have you used the windows shell?
[05:49] <faina> or dos?
[05:50] <faina> I'd tend to say "where it was cloned"
[05:50] <MrAnthrope> lol. And then it says to type ./autogen.sh and I did and it says gnome-autogen.sh no such file but if I do ls I can see it in there.
[05:50] <MrAnthrope> What is a windows shell?
[05:51] <faina> Windows also has a command line environment, if you'd used it before I'd have tried explaining some of the differences.
[05:51] <faina> so your package probably has autogen.sh, is there also a gnome-autogen.sh?
[05:51] <MrAnthrope> I don't speak windows CLI but I have used it before.
[05:52] <faina> are there other auto commands in there?
[05:52] <MrAnthrope> what's an auto command?
[05:52] <faina> try doing ls *auto*
[05:52] <MrAnthrope> The file is neon green for some reason.
[05:52] <faina> ubuntu defaults to marking executable files as green
[05:54] <MrAnthrope> geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~/accerciser/macaroon$ ls *auto* autogen.sh
[05:54] <MrAnthrope> Just the one, then.
[05:55] <faina> My guess is that autogen.sh is trying to run gnome-autogen.sh which is missing.
[05:55] <faina> whats the package?
[05:55] <MrAnthrope> No idea.
[05:55] <faina> ah what was the thing you git cloned?
[05:56] <MrAnthrope> oh git.gnome.org/accerciser
[05:56] <MrAnthrope> I am following these instructions: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/RegressionTesting#Macaroon
[05:58] <MrAnthrope> The functionality I'm trying to get back is recording keystrokes and playing them back.
[05:59] <faina> Hm... That I don't know how to do. I just try to type fast.
[05:59] <faina> I'm reading the docs on the package right now.
[05:59] <MrAnthrope> Heh.
[05:59] <MrAnthrope> omg.
[05:59] <MrAnthrope> I think I did something.
[05:59] <MrAnthrope> I DID SOMETHING!
[05:59]  * MrAnthrope does a dance.
[05:59] <faina> :)
[06:00] <faina> Yay
[06:00] <MrAnthrope> And I got another error.
[06:00] <MrAnthrope> xD
[06:00]  * MrAnthrope dies.
[06:00] <faina> I think you need to install "gnome-common"
[06:00] <MrAnthrope> That's what I did.
[06:00] <MrAnthrope> in synaptic.
[06:00] <faina> Ah ok
[06:00] <MrAnthrope> ***Error***: You must have glib-gettext >= 2.2.0 installed
[06:02] <MrAnthrope> glib-gettext doesn't come up in synaptic.
[06:02] <faina> Hmm
[06:03] <MrAnthrope> I've found that if I turn on soothing music while I try to do anything in the terminal it keeps me from throwing objects across the room :D
[06:03] <faina> :)
[06:04] <MrAnthrope> Ahh, google. :)
[06:04] <faina> >_> that's what I was doing...
[06:05] <faina> it sounds like you're doing the right thing... which is try to build it, discover what random thing you're missing, install it, discover what the next random thing you're missing, repeat until you get to run make
[06:05] <MrAnthrope> First hit was "I can't find glib-gettext"
[06:06] <MrAnthrope> Why can't everything just be .deb
[06:06] <faina> it takes some effort to build deb packages.
[06:06] <MrAnthrope> Hrm...
[06:06] <faina> so really new stuff hasn't been packaged yet
[06:06] <MrAnthrope> And if this is supposed to be easy heh
[06:07] <faina> Well, the package building makes the rest of it easy.
[06:07] <faina> maintining systems from source is a pain.
[06:07] <faina> Hopefully if the package you're trying ends up being popular, someone will package it
[06:08] <MrAnthrope> I will have already installed it x.x
[06:08] <faina> you'll have installed this version of it.
[06:08] <MrAnthrope> lol.
[06:09] <faina> but by then there'll be the next version.
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> So is that what the Software Center is?
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> At first I thought it was Synaptic.
[06:09] <faina> Actually I don't know much about the software center.
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> Then I found Synaptic and I was like what...
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> I've been trying to learn Ubuntu for like 5 years. This is the most user friendly version yet.
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> I installed Guild Wars in like 5 minutes :)
[06:10] <faina> guild wars works? woah.
[06:10] <MrAnthrope> The most recent version of Wine is also spectacular.
[06:11] <MrAnthrope> I like that Wine doesn't care where the files came from as long as they're there.
[06:11] <MrAnthrope> In windows everything is a pain because even if you have the files you have to run the installer.
[06:11] <faina> Well assuming you have a real video card. I've tried running WoW on my oldish laptop, and all I can say is that intel video graphics is lacking.
[06:11] <MrAnthrope> NVidia GeForce 5600LE. it's about five years old.
[06:12] <faina> Nice.
[06:13] <faina> I bet it out-performs a 2 year old integrated intel card
[06:13] <MrAnthrope> I had to tweak settings for about 30 minutes to get it running well. And it's still kinda jerky. But the reason I'm using Ubuntu is because my computer is too old.
[06:13] <faina> ahh ok
[06:13] <MrAnthrope> I have to reinstall XP every 3 months. I installed Win7 but I don't meet the min sysreqs.
[06:13] <faina> ouch.
[06:13] <MrAnthrope> I really liked Win7.
[06:14] <MrAnthrope> Now type `make' to compile Package !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:14] <faina> I haven't run it much, but it does seem pretty nice
[06:14] <faina> good luck!
[06:14] <MrAnthrope> yaay
[06:15] <faina> congratulations
[06:16] <MrAnthrope> Couldn't have done it without you! Now 700 more steps... lol
[06:16] <faina> :)
[06:16] <MrAnthrope> I think I'll pause here while I"m ahead lol
[06:17] <faina> heh
[06:17] <faina> Also I wonder if you want something like xmacro?
[06:17] <MrAnthrope> lol that sounds about right.
[06:17] <faina> That's what came up with I searched for ubuntu keyboard macro
[06:18] <faina> The utility you were compiling seemed more like a tool for validating accessibility tools
[06:18] <MrAnthrope> I think that is the functionality, yes.
[06:19] <MrAnthrope> oh and mouse movements. Nice.
[06:20] <faina> I've never used it... it just looked like it might be useful.
[06:20] <MrAnthrope> now where did it put the file...
[06:20] <MrAnthrope> er shortcut.
[06:21] <faina> man xmacrorec ?
[06:22] <faina> the other possibility is ubuntu packages put docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[06:25] <MrAnthrope> :)
[06:35] <MrAnthrope> I can record scripts. But I cannot play them.
[06:35] <MrAnthrope> Hrm.
[06:36] <faina> It looked like there was another command xmacroplay?
[06:37] <MrAnthrope> yeah I can't find what my display number is.
[06:37] <MrAnthrope> $display in the terminal gives me blank space.
[06:37] <MrAnthrope> and when I run xmacroplay test.exe it says could not open display
[06:38] <faina> unix is case sensitive
[06:38] <faina> so you'd need to do echo $DISPLAY
[06:38] <faina> it's probably :0.0
[06:38] <MrAnthrope> :)
[06:39] <faina> though it should be set by default
[06:40] <MrAnthrope> geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~/Desktop$ xmacroplay :0.0 Test.txt Invalid parameter ':0.0'.
[06:40] <MrAnthrope> lol
[06:40] <MrAnthrope> See. I just can't win!
[06:41] <faina> Computers are very picky.
[06:41] <MrAnthrope> Heh.
[06:41] <MrAnthrope> What's funny is I'm considered tech savvy. Really.
[06:41] <faina> It might be: DISPLAY=:0.0 xmacroplay test.txt
[06:41] <MrAnthrope> If I'm tech savvy what are people who use Linux?
[06:42] <MrAnthrope> Gods.
[06:42] <MrAnthrope> They're Gods.
[06:42] <faina> Differently experienced
[06:42] <faina> Unix admins grumble when forced to do things with windows
[06:42] <faina> partially because its so different
[06:42] <faina> And not all of their experience translates.
[06:43] <MrAnthrope> Something infuriating: XChat does not have r-click copy and you can't use CTRL+C in the Terminal.
[06:43] <MrAnthrope> x.x
[06:43] <faina> ctrl-c is an old-school "abort running your program"
[06:43] <faina> so they remapped the copy-paste commands for terminal to ctrl+shift+c
[06:43] <MrAnthrope> Yeah I learned that when someone told me to run sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth :D
[06:43] <faina> (and v)
[06:43] <MrAnthrope> ahhh! You are the win.
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> oh no xchat fixed my purposely misspelled 'teh'. lol
[06:44] <faina> so i haven't bothered to figure out what plymouth is doing.
[06:44] <temposs> I prefer ctrl+insert & shift+insert
[06:44] <MrAnthrope> I uninstalled Ubuntu.
[06:44] <faina> huh.
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> And he kept typing "TYPE CTRL+C!"
[06:45] <faina> the package description makes me think it's what's handling the graphical boot up screen
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> Which wasn't doing anything.
[06:45] <faina> heh.
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> And I was thinking he wanted me to paste what I last typed.
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> Which was sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> xD
[06:45] <temposs> faina, yes, plymouth handles the boot screen
[06:45] <MrAnthrope> yes, I was attempting to disable the splash screen.
[06:46] <temposs> faina, it's relatively new in Ubuntu
[06:46] <faina> yeah...
[06:46] <MrAnthrope> 10.04 comes with an unfortunate purple splash screen and after you install NVidia graphics drivers it turns HORRIBLE AND DYING.
[06:46] <MrAnthrope> So I wanted it removed.
[06:46] <faina> this is where I grumble about grub2 and the new boot loader...
[06:46] <faina> mostly because its different
[06:46] <faina> there's a better way to kill it
[06:46] <MrAnthrope> I found a program called startup-manager
[06:47] <faina> That sounds like a more promising way to change startup settings than hunting through the filesystem for where they moved the config file to
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> On countless google results they were saying to remove the word 'quiet' from grub.cfg or somesuch.
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> I did this to no avail.
[06:48] <faina> that's how I did it
[06:48] <faina> I think you then have to run update-grub2 afterward
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> Even ones that were like "Ubuntu 10.04 purple screen of doom ugly after installing NVidia graphics drivers"
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> Did not work for me.
[06:48] <faina> I know I managed to do it....
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> Anything I do in the terminal. Fail.
[06:48] <faina> Not that I remember.
[06:48] <MrAnthrope> Epic failsauce.
[06:49] <faina> As temposs alluded to, they did change the boot loader recently
[06:49] <faina> you might've been changing a previous version
[06:49] <MrAnthrope> My first thought about Ubuntu was "Oh there's a CLI, so when people tell you something there's no possible way to be confused about it or do it incorrectly!"
[06:49] <MrAnthrope> WRONGO
[06:49] <faina> hahahaa
[06:50] <MrAnthrope> Well, one thing that did work in the terminal was sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth :D That worked real well!
[06:50] <faina> huh
[06:52] <MrAnthrope> geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~$ xmacroplay :0.0
[06:52] <MrAnthrope> XTest for server ":0.0" is version 2.2.
[06:52] <MrAnthrope> And then there's blank space, there's no prompt.
[06:52] <MrAnthrope> haha ctrl+c gives me a prompt.
[06:52] <faina> That sounds like the application is "running", but not doing anything
[06:53] <MrAnthrope> Yeah.
[06:53] <MrAnthrope> Meh. I don't have any more time to mess with it I have to get to sleep so I can get up and catch my flight tomorrow.
[06:53] <faina> Ah..
[06:53] <faina> I see how to use it
[06:53] <MrAnthrope> Hm?
[06:53] <faina> cat Test.txt | xmacroplay :0.0
[06:53] <faina> or maybe not the :0.0
[06:54] <faina> the sourceforge page says it reads from standard in.
[06:54] <faina> if you just run xmacroplay :0.0
[06:54] <faina> you could start typing in the macro commands
[06:54] <faina> http://xmacro.sourceforge.net/
[06:55] <faina> Also I think the way you're supposed to use xmacrorec is like this
[06:56] <faina> xmacrorec > macro.txt
[06:56] <faina> which'd save all the commands into the macro.txt file
[06:57] <bioterror> man xmacrorec
[06:57] <bioterror> ´should give information how to use it
[06:58] <MrAnthrope> no. no manual.
[06:59] <bioterror> :D
[06:59] <MrAnthrope> asdf
[07:00] <nlsthzn> MrAnthrope: Keyboard works (on the left at least) :p
[07:00] <MrAnthrope> :)
[07:00] <faina> hah
[07:01] <MrAnthrope> http://pastebin.com/yUgvxxxf
[07:01] <MrAnthrope> I can get it to record.
[07:03] <MrAnthrope> http://pastebin.com/15FAfBnY
[07:05] <faina> have you gotten playback to work?
[07:05] <MrAnthrope> No.
[07:06] <faina> my hunch would be "xmacroplay < test.txt"
[07:07] <MrAnthrope> brings up options.
[07:08] <faina> what are the options?
[07:08] <MrAnthrope> -d DELAY delay in ms for events sent to remote display. Default 10ms
[07:08] <MrAnthrope> -s FACTOR scalefactor for coordinates
[07:08] <MrAnthrope> -v to show version -h to show this help file
[07:09] <faina> huh...
[07:09] <faina> its common for programs to spit out their options if they didn't get what they want.
[07:09] <faina> which suggests it wants you to set -s
[07:10] <faina> not that I have any idea what the scalefactor should be
[07:10] <faina> well ok... I might guess "1"
[07:10] <faina> since you're recording and playing back on the same thing
[07:11] <Paz101>  hi i am kinda new at ubuntu and i was wondering if i could use the firewall in ubuntu to limit connection times to 2min for each connection(server10.04)
[07:13] <faina> limiting connections to only lasting 2 minutes? or only N connections per minute?
[07:14] <MrAnthrope> Meh. I'll figure it out another day.
[07:15] <faina> Ok. Good luck.
[07:15] <MrAnthrope> Thanks so much for your help faina :)
[07:16] <MrAnthrope> I was almost at the throwing-things point.
[07:17] <MrAnthrope> I had thought for the longest time Linux users were just born knowing Linux. I've never met someone else who is learning.
[07:17] <MrAnthrope> So. I like this channel >:)
[07:17] <faina> Heh... I've been using linux for a long long time.
[07:17] <MrAnthrope> I know a few people who run ubuntu and when I ask them questions they're just like "... I don't know what that means."

[07:18] <MrAnthrope> And then I throw them across the room...
[07:18] <faina> heh
[07:18] <MrAnthrope> I have a friend who just runs windows in a virtual machine on top of ubuntu.
[07:19] <faina> :) At work we were trying Ubuntu in VMWare on OS X
[07:19] <MrAnthrope> haha.
[07:19] <faina> though I missed apt-get too much.
[07:19] <faina> the best tool for handing opensource software on the mac that I've found is macports
[07:19] <faina> but it likes to recompile everything from source every time you upgrade anything
[07:19] <MrAnthrope> You speak mac too? You're an OS genius.
[07:20] <faina> and compiling X or Qt takes forever.
[07:20] <faina> :)
[07:20] <MrAnthrope> I tried mac for about .05 seconds. And threw up.
[07:20] <faina> I liked it...
[07:20] <MrAnthrope> lol
[07:20] <faina> But it seems like Apple is becoming increasingly closed
[07:20] <MrAnthrope> Mac and Linux are the opposite ends of the Unix spectrum I feel...
[07:21] <faina> and Ubuntu managed to ship versions where critical laptop features like suspend/resume and reconnect to your wireless worked pretty reliably
[07:21] <faina> A couple of years ago linux laptop suspend/resume was a risky proposition.
[07:22] <faina> Now my main laptop bug is with dual-monitor support
[07:22] <faina> Though its random enough that I haven't figured out how to file a bug report
[07:23] <MrAnthrope> heh.
[07:23] <MrAnthrope> I'd like to get a macbook and install Ubuntu on it.
[07:23] <faina> Macbooks are pretty nice...
[07:24] <faina> There's not many laptop manufacturers that are thinking about aesthetics
[07:24] <MrAnthrope> I've never had a laptop but if I did I think I would go with apple.
[07:24] <MrAnthrope> apple has good hardware.
[07:24] <faina> yeah
[07:24] <faina> Historically thinkpads were nice, I'm not sure how they current versions are.
[07:24] <MrAnthrope> It's their closed-minded closed-source software that sucks.
[07:24] <faina> yeah
[07:26] <MrAnthrope> There's one application that does a certain thing. And if you need to do that thing you have to use that application and if you don't like that application then that's too bad because it's the only application that does that thing and you can't change any settings on that application to make it work how you want it to work. you are the one that has to compromise. To an application.
[07:26] <MrAnthrope> it's ridiculous. I hate macs can you tell? :)
[07:26] <faina> heh...
[07:26] <faina> Though to play devils advocate...
[07:27] <faina> Have you looked at the current kde desktop?
[07:27] <faina> The last time I tried KDE it ended up looking really messy by being extremely cluttered with options.
[07:28] <MrAnthrope> Last time I tried to intall KDE (on Ubuntu 9.04) the only thing I got was a green screen. I had no menu bars or icons or desktop functionality. I had a mouse but it wouldn't do anything besides move around. I had to reinstall Ubuntu.
[07:28] <faina> Ah ok
[07:28] <faina> I switched over to gnome because it'd gotten too ugly.
[07:28] <MrAnthrope> I don't even fully understand why there is something besides gnome.
[07:28] <faina> politics
[07:29] <MrAnthrope> heh.
[07:29] <MrAnthrope> I spent 3 hours last night changing how gnome looks.
[07:30] <faina> I think Qt was first, but some hackers hated it because it was c++ and wasn't "free"
[07:36] <MrAnthrope> If I have an icon file that is 128x128 it will resize right?
[07:36] <MrAnthrope> I don't need to make different files for 24x24, 16x16 et c. right?
[07:37] <faina> uh... I don't know... I think so
[07:37] <faina> Though I think SVG icon files are better
[07:37] <faina> because the resize nicer
[07:39] <MrAnthrope> ah
[07:42] <MrAnthrope> Maybe I should just stay up until my flight.... sleeping is dumb.
[07:43] <faina> :)
[07:44] <faina> I say that sometimes
[07:45] <Paz101> is it possible to limit connection time to 2 min with the firewall?(Server10.04)
[07:46] <MrAnthrope> I don't have anything useful to say to you Paz101, but what can you do in 2 minutes?
[07:46] <Paz101> we have DVR people connect to and we want to limit time people connct to the,
[07:46] <Paz101> dvr
[07:47] <Paz101> so it doesnt use to much of our downloads
[07:47] <MrAnthrope> DVR. Digital Video Recording? So you want to limit people to only watching 2 minutes of content on your server at a time?
[07:47] <Paz101> yes
[07:47] <MrAnthrope> What's to stop them from reconnecting?
[07:47] <MrAnthrope> Immediately.
[07:48] <faina> limiting the connection like that is more likely to be done at the application level
[07:48] <Paz101> nothing i dont care if they do its so they dont leave it downloading
[07:48] <faina> you might also want to research bandwidth throttling
[07:48] <temposs> I agree with faina
[07:48] <Paz101> you cant do it on the dvr
[07:49] <MrAnthrope> I'd like to limit my roommate's bandwidth...
[07:49] <Paz101> i know cisco routers can do it, i thought maybe the firewall on ubuntu migh have something
[07:49] <Paz101> saving me like $500+
[07:50] <MrAnthrope> Heh.
[07:50] <temposs> there's probably a reasonable solution
[07:50] <temposs> I just have no experience with managing firewalls
[07:51] <Paz101> is there somewhere what may know more on this???
[07:52] <temposs> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=338
[07:52] <Paz101> kk thnks
[07:52] <temposs> ask your question there, and you will get more eyes looking
[07:53] <temposs> it's only a limited number of people that come here at any one time
[07:53] <temposs> since your forum post will be more constantly visible, you have a better chance of having the question answered
[07:53] <MrAnthrope> If you really know what you're doing you could also try #Ubuntu.
[07:53] <MrAnthrope> That place isn't newbie friendly, though.
[07:54] <Paz101> i tryed asking there a few hours ago but the people then didnt know too much about it
[07:55] <faina> There are ways of doing bandwidth throttling using linux's firewall support
[07:56] <faina> I always have to look it up whenever I try to use it though
[07:56] <faina> I'm not sure if ufw supports it directly though
[07:57] <Paz101> i had alook around there wasnt to much about time limiting
[07:59] <faina> Yeah I'm not sure how you'd disconnect someone after X minutes.
[07:59] <Paz101> damn
[07:59] <faina> temposs's suggestion is probably a good one.
[07:59] <Paz101> yeah ill try that
[07:59] <Paz101> thanks
[08:00] <hobgoblin> Paz101: you have to give the forum time to work
[08:28] <o3-k64mal> I'm getting "VPN service failed to start" message when I try to start my VPN. Is there a way to repair it?
[08:29] <faina> The first question is to try and figure out why it didn't start.
[08:29] <o3-k64mal> I've already restarted once and still get the same thing.
[08:30] <o3-k64mal> Well, it may be because I edited the DNS server settings while it was connected.
[08:30] <faina> I haven't used the vpn software much.
[08:31] <o3-k64mal> I tryed editing the setting back to the way they were before I goofed it. But it still won't start.
[08:33] <o3-k64mal> If you have a service that won't start how do you bring it back to a working config?
[08:33] <faina> I'll sometimes purge a package and reinstall
[08:33] <faina> though I'm not sure if that's appropriate in this case
[08:34] <o3-k64mal> We're talking the NetworkManager Applet 0.8.
[08:34] <faina> If its something that's you create different settings, I might try creating a new one.
[08:34] <faina> which ubuntu version?
[08:34] <o3-k64mal> 10.04
[08:37] <faina> I tried the "create connection" menu option and it looks like there's a way add/remove settings
[08:37] <faina> it might help to try creating a new configuration?
[08:38] <o3-k64mal> Great Idea. You the man, woman, etc.
[08:38] <faina> you might also try grep NetworkManager /var/log/*
[08:38] <faina> :)
[08:38] <faina> Good luck
[08:38] <faina> I should probably sleep
[08:38] <o3-k64mal> Where do I find tutorials on things like grep?
[08:39] <faina> That'd be covered by an intro to linux / unix
[08:39] <faina> I'm not sure what the current best resources are for that.
[08:39] <o3-k64mal> Is there a video edition?
[08:40] <o3-k64mal> Well thank you for your time. Sweet dreams.
[08:40] <faina> no idea... though I'm curious enough to try searching on youtube
[08:40] <o3-k64mal> I'll do that.
[08:40] <faina> you're welcome, have a good night
[09:52] <o3-k64mal> r
[09:58] <o3-k64mal> I'm running the wubi version of 10.04. I'm getting a warning message that I only have 200 plus megabytes of storage left.Yet disk analyzer says I have 191GB available. What do I need to do?
[09:59] <hobgoblin> you probably don't have space on /
[09:59] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: does it let you boot?
[10:00] <o3-k64mal> Yes, I'm in it now.
[10:00] <hobgoblin> k - open a terminal and run  df -h
[10:00] <o3-k64mal> ok
[10:00] <hobgoblin> then paste that output to paste.ubuntu.com - give a name and then paste - give the new url here
[10:01] <o3-k64mal> ok. sec.
[10:03] <o3-k64mal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/535138/
[10:03] <o3-k64mal> Is that what you wanted?
[10:03] <bioterror> and hobgoblin wins a price!
[10:03] <bioterror> prize even :D
[10:03] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: see the first line - that shows how much room you gave wubi and how much has been used
[10:04] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: indeed it was :)
[10:04] <o3-k64mal> OK
[10:04] <o3-k64mal> How do I give it more?
[10:05] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: not so easy as it is not a real partition - it's actually a virtual disk - I can give the link - but to be honest if I was happy with what wubi showed me about ubuntu I would do a real install
[10:06] <o3-k64mal> Not ready for that.
[10:06] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: anyway - I'll give you a link to look at for resizing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How%20do%20I%20resize%20the%20virtual%20disks?
[10:06] <hobgoblin> good luck
[10:06] <o3-k64mal> Thanks
[10:07] <hobgoblin> welcome - please bear in mind that wubi was not designed to be a permanent thing :)
[10:07] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: all that said - if you are not installing much and just looking you will probably be able to create enough space to carry on without the warning - if you want to do so let me know
[10:09] <karthick87> hobgoblin: which one is best wubi or virtualbox?
[10:10] <hobgoblin> in my opinion - virtual box - but that is dependent on RAM
[10:10] <karthick87> oke
[10:13] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: you still there?
[10:32] <shahan> my title bar is not appearing now
[11:26] <o3-k64mal> hobgoblin: I'm back
[11:26] <o3-k64mal> U still there?
[11:29] <o3-k64mal> So I need to resize my wubi virtual disk. And ideas?
[11:51] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: yes I am here
[11:58] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: the wubi wiki link for resizing - couple of things you could do to gain some space - depends what you want ot use wubi for
[12:33] <o3-k64mal> So there's no one in europe or the rest of the planet for that matter in this chat room?
[12:34] <bioterror> I'm from europe
[12:34] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: surprisingly - you need to reply to people
[12:34] <bioterror> not that far from ural :D
[12:34] <o3-k64mal> Good. I need a way to resize a virtual drive for wubi.
[12:35] <bioterror> I have no idea of wubi
[12:35] <o3-k64mal> If I may be so bold?
[12:35] <hobgoblin> did you actually read the link that I went out of my way to give you earlier or not?
[12:35] <bioterror> I use only real installations which usually takes a whole disk
[12:35] <o3-k64mal> Yes, over and ovver.
[12:36] <hobgoblin> then that is the way to do it with wubi #
[12:38] <o3-k64mal> I've wanted to change to linux a long time. I've tryed installing. 7 and 8 and never got past the partitioning part. This is for once working and I don't want to mess it up. This is my one and only pc and I need it to produce the studies I give. If there isn't any way of resizing the VD then just say so?
[12:39] <o3-k64mal> Sorry, little frustrated with not getting a strait answer.
[12:45] <hobgoblin> o3-k64mal: what are you using wubi for - just looking at it - or actually installing stuff  - I keep aasking you questions which you then ignore - this is the last time I will ask
[12:46] <o3-k64mal> Look, Hobgoblin, have you actually read the page you sent me to? Because it only talks about moving the host file into a virtual disk which in my case we be 200GB. And then the first suggestion. lvpm, when you go to it says it doesn't support 10.04. So basicly where you sent me was not an answer.
[12:46] <hobgoblin> then you should say so - I used wubi once - never again
[12:47] <hobgoblin> we aren;t all knowing - we aren't psychic - and I'm not bothering
[12:48] <o3-k64mal> I tryed calling out to you but you didn't answer. After waiting a time I posed my question again and still got no answer. That's when I asked if there was anybody in Europe here. and so it goes.
[12:49] <hobgoblin> if lvpm does not work then I have no idea
[12:49] <hobgoblin> as I said 3 times now - we can gain you some space - depends what you are using wubi for
[12:50] <o3-k64mal> Mostly desktop publishing and streaming videos.
[12:51] <o3-k64mal> I also have to nic cards in my PC and want to network my kids PC and PS3 through this one.
[12:52] <o3-k64mal> That's 2 nic cards.
[12:54] <o3-k64mal> R U think about it or have you given up?
[12:54] <o3-k64mal> Sorry if I sound rude.
[21:08] <evfool> hi all
[21:08] <hobgoblin> hi
[23:32] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[23:32] <kristian-aalborg> I'm looking to do a very simple shell script
[23:39] <zkriesse> kristian-aalborg: ok
[23:48] <bodhizazen> paultag: poke =)


[02:52] <ScottK> nixternal: You should hang around.  All these people getting paid by Blue Systems to work on Kubuntu now.  All we have to do is idle and give occasional sage advice to look good.
[10:08] <debfx> I may be wrong but csync-owncloud appears to be GPL-2+ but still links against openssl
[10:49] <danimo_> debfx: would lgplv2 be acceptable for openssl
[10:49] <danimo_> ?
[10:57] <debfx> danimo_: linking LGPL code against openssl should be fine
[10:58] <danimo_> debfx: ok
[10:59] <danimo_> debfx: please bug dragotin on #csync on monday
[12:45] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1038636] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1038636 (by xabier)
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> whoa, the Dot got a fancy new theme
[16:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: bling bling
[16:54] <Peace-> Riddell: ping
[16:55] <Peace-> Riddell: dolphin has a problem on 12.04
[16:55] <Peace-> it can't install service menu
[16:55] <Riddell> Peace-: mm?
[16:55] <Peace->  /usr/bin/env: ruby: File o directory non esistente
[16:55] <Peace-> dolphin(4723)/knewstuff (api): Command faile
[16:55] <Peace-> Riddell: test with my ffmpeg service menu
[16:56] <Peace-> you will see if you have not ruby stuff
[16:56] <Peace-> you should get the error on terminal
[16:56] <claydoh> Riddell:  ScottK Is there a list of changes/fixes for 12.04.1 around, aside from the KDE version bump?
[16:56] <yofel> Peace-: do you actually have ruby installed?
[16:56] <Peace-> yofel: iyes
[16:57] <Peace-> yofel: and it works here
[16:57] <yofel> hm
[16:57] <Peace-> yofel: try to install ffmpeg service menu
[16:58] <Peace-> if you have not ruby you can 't get install it properly
[16:58] <Peace-> it can't launch the installer
[16:58] <Peace-> dolphin use ruby to launch the installer that should be in the tar bal of every service menu
[16:58] <yofel> I don't have a 12.04 system at hand, will have to wait
[16:58] <Peace-> yofel: better
[16:59] <Peace-> you can  test on 12.10
[16:59] <Peace-> i am on 12.10 but i have a friend on line that has that
[16:59] <Peace-> i mean 12,.4
[16:59] <yofel> a) what do I install b) how
[17:00] <Peace-> yofel: dolphin => configure dolphin => service = > download new service => ffmpeg service menu
[17:00] <Riddell> claydoh: there may well not be many besides that, I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?advanced=1 then searching on fix released and ubuntu-12.04.1 will get them
[17:01] <Peace-> yofel: btw launch dolphin in terminal
[17:01] <Peace-> if you want see the error
[17:01] <Peace-> because without the konsole you are not able to see the error
[17:01] <Peace-> infact dolphin set the service menu like installed
[17:01] <Peace-> but it's not
[17:01] <yofel> well, it would be in .xsession-errors
[17:01] <claydoh> Riddell: ooh ok, I didn't think on that search, thank you!
[17:04] <yofel> hm, found a different bug: install service menu -> it asks whether to install it locally or system wide -> cancel -> open the download page again -> shows as installed
[17:04] <yofel> Peace-: but the ffmpeg service menu seems to work here
[17:04] <Peace-> yofel: you have ruby then
[17:04] <yofel> well, yeah
[17:04] <Peace-> in the default installation there is not
[17:04] <Peace-> so by default users can't install them
[17:04] <yofel> ah, now I understand what the issue is
[17:06] <Peace-> yofel: dolphin doesn't says nothing about ruby so user thinks is installed instead it's not
[17:06] <yofel> yup, /usr/bin/servicemenuinstallation is ruby, so needs to be a depends not suggests
[17:06] <yofel> can you file a bug please?
[17:06] <Peace-> now i have time yes
[17:07] <ScottK> claydoh: I'd check the bugs referenced in the issues section.  At least some of them are fixed.
[17:30] <Peace-> yofel: done i did on precise because on precise it says i have not the standard dolphin ... ppa
[17:30] <Peace-> yofel: btw the apport crash
[17:31] <Peace-> es
[17:31] <Peace-> because i use firefox i guess
[17:41] <Peace-> apport crashes => http://paste.ubuntu.com/1155720
[17:41] <Peace-> i was using firefox
[18:03] <gotwig> jo
[18:04] <yofel> Peace-: hm, that seems to be something from pykde, but weird trace. Thanks for the report
[18:05] <Peace-> yofel: i have written even the mail
[18:05] <Peace-> yofel: with rekonq works fine instead with firefox sucks :D
[18:12] <gotwig> Guys!
[18:12] <gotwig> do you know that Muon Discover, like the Muon suite, uses Python?
[18:13] <gotwig> Python can be that fast, lol?
[19:39] <claydoh> nixternal might get a kick out of my new wheels http://claydoh.com/205-2/
[22:29] <d_ed> to anyone still up - LightDM-KDE 0.3 is out
[22:29] <d_ed> now go package things!
[23:49]  * JontheEchidna grabs the new LightDM


[05:23] <teward> LocutusOfBorg: i think you broke nginx builds for the forseeable future with the latest upload in Debian from the 25th-27thish which was autosynced to Bionic
[05:34] <teward> because luajit isn't detected in amd64, armhf, or i386 for Bionic (relevant excerpt from build logs is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25972405/)
[05:50] <teward> confirmed: it's broken.
[05:51] <Unit193> \o/
[05:57] <teward> and now I have to make a decision for nginx-extras: drop Lua module, or switch to the much less fun full Lua libraries instead of libluajit, and further diverge from Debian.  Again.
[06:04] <rbasak> Does nginx-extras have to be in main?
[06:04] <teward> rbasak: it's not.
[06:04] <teward> it's in Universe.
[06:05] <teward> but an FTBFS on nginx-extras means nginx-core never lands
[06:05] <teward> because the source package has a component FTBFS
[06:05] <rbasak> I see
[06:05] <teward> refer to #u-release
[06:05] <teward> because i have a small minirant there
[06:06] <teward> rbasak: and I just confirmed this happens with 1.12.x that's in bionic now, if someone triggered a rebuild it'd explode in all our faces
[06:06] <teward> and the only thing that is failing is luajit currently, and only on amd64, armhf, and i386
[06:06] <teward> works *fine* on arm64 and ppc64el
[06:06] <teward> but not the three big ones.
[06:06] <teward> confirmed in local schroots and PPA builds
[06:07] <rbasak> Do you know what luajit upload caused the regression?
[06:07] <teward> rbasak: debian autosync
[06:07] <rbasak> OK, but what Debian upload caused the regression?
[06:08] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I'm asking the same questions in #u-r ;)
[06:09] <teward> which is why we should specifically pick one channel or the other
[10:53] <doko> jbicha: who synced that? ;p
[11:19] <jamespage> coreycb: ok content of PPA published to bionic-proposed; os-service-types is in the NEW queue.
[11:19] <jamespage> coreycb: the issue I'm hitting in neutron is todo with eventlet - https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues/147
[12:20] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm trying to use SIGUNUSED by #include <signal.h>....this works ok in 16.04 but not on 17.10...any ideas?
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> m_tadeu, the idea is to stop using it I guess
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=875927
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> here you have some references to its removal
[12:22] <m_tadeu> LocutusOfBorg: thanks for the info
[12:22] <LocutusOfBorg> yw
[13:35] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[13:45] <TJ-> advice request for 1710 re: nsswitch - got a user with valid /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts where sudo hangs (trying to resolve hostname when not network connected) Narrowed it down to nsswitch preferring IPv6 and no separate entry in /etc/hosts for the hostname. That's fixed, but in investigating noticed that "getent ahosts $(hostname)" returns IPv4 localhost IP addresses but not the hostname, where as
[13:45] <TJ-> the IPv4 specific "getent ahostsv4 $(hostname)" returns the hostname - is this expected or a bug?
[13:48] <coreycb> jamespage: are you planning to upload remaining packages directly to bionic or still use the ci-train ppa/
[13:48] <coreycb> ?
[14:28] <jamespage> coreycb: hmm
[14:28] <jamespage> coreycb: I might do the neutron ones together once we have the unit testing issues sorted
[14:29] <jamespage> coreycb: but the other leaf packages could go direct
[14:29] <coreycb> jamespage: that would make sense
[14:29] <jamespage> coreycb: I started on swift but need to fix eventlet
[14:29] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[14:31] <jamespage> coreycb: zigo is hitting the same issue with neutron@pike into debian unstable; something in the dep chain is causing the problem
[14:31] <jamespage> coreycb: we're still ok in artful so I'm trying to bisect exactly what's going on
[14:32] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[14:32] <jamespage> coreycb: the stacktrace is misleading - its a bug, but not the direct cause of the problem
[14:41] <doko> coreycb: who usually cares about mysql?
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage: i think the server team usually manages that
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage: sorry that was meant for doko
[14:41] <jamespage> hehe
[14:42] <jamespage> doko: rbasak
[14:44] <doko> rbasak: please could you have a look at ruby-mysql2? the debian/start_mysqld_and_run.sh needs some modernization
[14:57] <rbasak> doko: Skuggen (Oracle; not here) should be able to look at that I think. I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-mysql2/+bug/1732710.
[15:03] <doko> ta
[15:04] <rbasak> doko: hang on
[15:04] <rbasak> doko: looks like you dropped the patch that was already there that fixes this.
[15:04] <rbasak> doko: what were you trying to do?
[15:06] <doko> wait ...
[15:07] <doko> rbasak: ahh, my bad. will reapply
[15:07] <rbasak> Thanks.
[15:07] <rbasak> OOI, why are you jumping ahead of Debian on this package? Is it needed for Ruby maybe?
[15:10] <doko> rbasak: seeing bus errors in the autopkg tests on armhf
[15:10] <doko> so nothing what debian will see ... and fix
[15:11] <rbasak> I see. Thanks.
[15:33] <juliank> cjwatson: katie/archive robot synced gsmartcontrol 1.1.1-1 from debian, updating from 1.0.2-1. There was an 1.1.0-1 in debian in between those two. It then closed bug 1713311 as that was fixed in the skipped release, but only had the top-entry in the comment.
[15:34] <juliank> Sounds a bit weird
[15:34]  * juliank thinks that's kind of your thing
[15:37] <cjwatson> juliank: sounds deliberate - in at least some situations LP deliberately reconstructs things from the changelog
[15:37] <cjwatson> juliank: oh, the comment in the bug is non-ideal I suppose
[15:38] <juliank> yeah, the comment was confusing
[15:41] <sladen> madigens: ping
[15:41] <sladen> madigens: emailed a few hours ago.  Probably too late for me to leave now
[15:41] <cjwatson> juliank: Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1385660
[15:41] <cjwatson> juliank: Bit much for me to tackle just at the moment though, I'm afraid
[15:42] <juliank> cjwatson: Well, at least you found a bug report :)
[15:42]  * juliank subscribed
[15:43] <cjwatson> If anyone wants to dig, lib/lp/soyuz/model/processacceptedbugsjob.py is probably the place to start
[15:44] <cjwatson> The problem is probably something like that close_bugs_for_sourcepackagerelease does a since_version check for bug_ids but doesn't then pass that information down to close_bug_ids_for_sourcepackagerelease
[15:45]  * cjwatson braindumps briefly into the bug
[15:49] <madigens> sladen: just came back from work
[16:26] <elopio> infinity: hey, do you know who can release this? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-motd/appreciation/+merge/333552
[16:27] <infinity> elopio: kirkland
[16:28] <elopio> kirkland: ping :)
[16:41] <scientes> I can't get my program which calls gettext() to look for translations
[16:41] <scientes> checking via strace
[16:43] <coreycb> jamespage: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/daa2bedb1ed5ff48c6d95cdc0c6f02fcf68d9089
[16:43] <coreycb> jamespage: i'd like to see if we can reject python-oslo.serialization 2.21.2-0ubuntu1 from bionic-proposed and upload 2.21.1 instead
[16:44] <coreycb> jamespage: or, we could just hold off on glance uploads
[16:46] <scientes> I read the gettext manual
[16:46] <bdmurray> niedbalski: Do you agree with cpaelzer about bug 1729858?
[17:03] <jamespage> coreycb: neutron bits going to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3043/+packages first
[17:07] <jamespage> coreycb: hmm - alot of the networking-* projects have missing release tarballs?
[17:07] <jamespage> does that ring bells? I see you did some already
[17:18] <coreycb> jamespage: i noticed some missing tarballs but didn't look into it
[17:18] <coreycb> jamespage: just skipped for now
[17:18] <coreycb> jamespage: so i think we can just hold off on uploading glance until a fixed oslo.serialization comes out, since all the other pkgs were build with 2.21.2
[17:19] <jamespage> coreycb: ok sounds sensible
[17:19] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey, doing SRU reviews now?
[17:22] <sil2100> bdmurray: I'd like to tackle some queue reviews later today as well - if you have a moment, could you take a look at the zesty and xenial livecd-rootfs SRUs in the queues? Those are now good for review as we got the old zesty one released finally (thanks to Tribaal!)
[17:22] <bdmurray> sil2100: I've made a note of it
[17:23] <acheronuk> oSoMoN: hi. I notice you upload Libreoffice. do you anticipate Libreoffice 6 getting into Bionic if it's out on schedule?
[17:25] <sil2100> bdmurray: thanks
[17:30] <jbicha> acheronuk: we've always taken the Libreoffice releases since LibreOffice's release schedule is based on making it easy for Ubuntu
[17:30] <acheronuk> jbicha: didn't know that. thanks
[17:35] <oSoMoN> acheronuk, yes, according to libreoffice's release plan, 6.0 should be in bionic
[17:37] <acheronuk> oSoMoN: great. I ask as that should have the first release of the Qt5 VCL plugin, meaning we (Kubuntu) can get rid of the old KDE4 one, and maybe have all KDE4 stuff off our iso
[17:37] <acheronuk> thx
[18:06] <kirkland> elopio: done
[18:06] <kirkland> infinity: actually, anyone on ~ubuntu-motd can commit/push
[18:07] <elopio> kirkland: thank you! You have my appreciation :)
[18:08] <elopio> wait, I
[18:08] <kirkland> elopio: ;-)  np
[18:08] <elopio> 'm confused. The MR is still open.
[18:15] <elopio> I see it now, great!
[18:51] <bdmurray> sil2100: How is bug 1731492 fixed in more current releases?
[18:51] <bdmurray> or Tribaal ^^
[18:52] <Tribaal> bdmurray: it isn't AFAIK
[18:52] <Tribaal> bdmurray: you mean for zesty and artful?
[18:53] <bdmurray> Tribaal: and that bionic release too.
[18:54] <Tribaal> bdmurray: I think bionic was covered by https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/livecd-rootfs/minimize-round-two/+merge/332529 ?
[18:56] <Tribaal> bdmurray: there is no incentive to add those minimization changes to z and a AFAIC - so I backported only to Xenial (since that's where the changes were actually needed). Is that the wrong approach?
[18:58] <slangasek> yes, it landed in livecd-rootfs 2.482; closing the trunk bug task with this explanation saves questions
[18:59] <nacc> Tribaal: i think it's more what slangasek just said -- the bug does not indicate it's fixed in the development release -- and there could be tasks for a and z that say won't fix, perhaps (with a bug comment)?
[18:59] <slangasek> he doesn't have privs to open the tasks to mark them wontfix
[18:59] <Tribaal> right, I was going to say just that :)
[18:59] <nacc> slangasek: ah
[18:59] <nacc> can still nominate, though, right?
[19:00] <bdmurray> Isn't Tribaal an upstream developer of livecd-rootfs?
[19:00] <nacc> (or put in a comment, i guess, that's what i've asked other contributors to do inn the past)
[19:02] <Tribaal> I guess I should apply for the bug squad
[19:03] <bdmurray> Tribaal: If you are an upstream developer there is a way to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team.
[19:05] <Tribaal> well, I applied for the bug squad anyway :)
[19:06] <nacc> heh
[19:18] <jbicha> bdmurray: hi, did you see the software-properties autopkgtest failures on artful and bionic?
[19:18] <jbicha> it doesn't look like it's gtk3's fault so it would be nice to get the gtk3 update in to artful to fix LP: #1720400
[19:29] <bdmurray> Tribaal: bug squad won't give you any permissions though
[19:32] <Tribaal> bdmurray: well, I'll just have another badge then :) SO nominating for ubuntu releases stems from what? either per-project "upstream" status or Ubuntu Developer for "accross the board" nominations?
[19:33] <bdmurray> Tribaal: members of Ubuntu Bug Control can nominate a bug for fixing in a release. Ubuntu Developers can accept or directly add those tasks if they can upload the package.
[19:34] <Tribaal> bdmurray: ahh that clears it up some, thanks.
[19:35] <Tribaal> bdmurray: then the bug squad still seems to be a good place where I can help in the grant scheme of things - just not for this particular case :)
[20:17] <doko> jbicha: gtk-doc ftbfs in bionic, otoh I see build failures because gtk-doc is not recent enough. could you have a look?
[20:19] <doko> hmm, builds locally
[20:19] <jbicha> I was confused by it too
[20:19] <jbicha> what fails to build because of older gtk-doc?
[20:23] <doko> hmm, closed the tab in the browser
[20:28] <doko> jbicha: hmm, failed again on the buildd
[20:35] <jbicha> bdmurray: thanks again :)


[08:28] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: just so you know - build failed on printer packages \o/
[08:31] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: as did mate -  system-config-printer-common : Breaks: system-config-printer-gnome (< 1.5.7+20160812-0ubuntu3~) but 1.5.7+20160812-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:45] <akxwi-dave> cheers flocculant
[12:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/1643129/comments/10
[21:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: appear to be getting a catfish crash - in a folder search for *.txt works, search for *.com and it crashes > UnicodeDecodeError in <lambda>(): 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xcf in position 42: invalid continuation byte
[21:08] <flocculant> want anymore than me apporting it?


[06:05] <grumpyrj> Hi. I have mythbuntu and see that the update manager is telling me ubuntu 11.10 is available. If I install that will I take on normal ubuntu, or will the mythbuntu customisations stay in place?
[07:15] <superm1> mythbuntu customizations will remain, but there are a few issues with the upgrade that never got resolved
[07:15] <superm1> see /topic for some more details
[07:19] <grumpyrj> ok. yeah, saw that. thanks.
[10:42] <Seeker`> is anyone else here using the trunk builds that usess BDMV playback


[02:25] <jthan> WOOO GOING TO FOSSCON
[05:01] <InHisName> Maybe I'll see you some time there, jthan.
[05:06]  * InHisName thinks ssweeny is too young to be shaking a cane and using whippersnapper words.  He should wait another 20 years or so.
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[13:12] <scottrigby> morning
[13:12] <scottrigby> pleia2 & JonathanD - all the hackerspaces in europe are drinking http://club-mate.us/
[13:13] <scottrigby> or i mean http://www.clubmate.de/
[13:26] <jedijf> and have been for years
[13:26] <jedijf> it's the con 'thing'
[13:26] <jedijf> old now
[13:27] <jedijf> especailly 'security' cons
[14:08] <scottrigby> jedijf: you talking about beverages?
[14:09] <scottrigby> if so, yeah… i still love me some club mate though
[14:57] <CyberTails> Hello, Is Jeff Awake?
[18:09] <ProfessorKaos64> JonathanD, when you get back I have a question about making a personal tshirt for the con with the fosscon logo, if thats ok to use it
[18:32] <Samuraialba> good bacon to all!
[18:41] <ProfessorKaos64> haha
[18:45] <Samuraialba> :?
[19:02] <waltman> and to all some good bacon!
[19:10] <Samuraialba> :)
[19:10] <Samuraialba> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-POWEREDGE-C1100-2-x-QUAD-CORE-L5520-2-26GHz-72GB-RAM-1-x-250GB-SATA-RAILS-/121151236998?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item1c352d2b86


[00:30] <akgraner> nigelb, there is some new video on FB of my kids  - just thought you'd like to see it...enjoy
[02:24] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[02:39] <akgraner> nigelb, the whole family will be total geeks before long...
[02:39] <akgraner> and yes by the end of this cycle you have my permission to say I told you so when it come to me losing my NTEU status :-(
[02:43] <nigelb> yay!
[02:57] <mhall119> akgraner: before long?  who's left to convert, the pets?
[02:57] <nigelb> mhall119++
[04:01] <doctormo-other> I think you'd enjoy this pleia2: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wUTOM-U4oBA/TrrjoJVnznI/AAAAAAAAAVo/Fry9_4HWERI/s640/2011%2B-%2B1
[04:01] <pleia2> doctormo-other: aww, usb stick?
[04:02] <doctormo-other> yep!
[04:02] <pleia2> nice :)
[04:02] <doctormo-other> Got an install on it ;-)
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <doctormo-other> Hello dholbach
[08:09] <nigelb> Morning dholbach!
[08:11] <dholbach> hi doctormo-other, hi nigelb
[08:37] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:03] <jussi> morning czajkowski!
[09:03] <jussi> BTW, does anyone know who is leading the ubuntu phone efforts ?
[09:04] <popey> what ubuntu phone efforts?
[09:04] <AlanBell> jussi: someone on deviant art drew a mockup of what they think it would be nice to have
[09:05] <jussi> Well, Mark said in his keynote ubuntu would come to phones. Therefore I assume there is an effort to make that happen
[09:05] <jussi> on his blog also: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820
[09:06] <AlanBell> fair enough
[09:06] <popey> its an aspiration
[09:32] <bkerensa> Good Night All or Morning (Tis 1:32am here)
[10:04] <jussi> quote from amber graner.... "I was a "perfect' angel :-) but as my dad points out - so was Lucifer" :D :D :D
[10:06] <dpm> jussi, can you remind me, what's the procedure to ask for a bugbot in a channel and ask for it to be logged?
[10:07] <jussi> dpm: I think youll find everything in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[10:08] <jussi> basically ask rt for logging, and dont forget to add the channel entry message. ask me for the bot. :)
[10:14] <dpm> jussi, thanks. I cannot find the procedure for requesting a bug bot + logging on those pages. So you're saying I should file an RT?
[10:14] <jussi> dpm: ok, maybe we need to make that clearer. the relevant part for logbot:
[10:15] <jussi> You can ask for ubuntulog to be added to any official Ubuntu by emailing the request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>If ubuntulog is present in your channel, you must add the following entry message, or a translated version of the message, via ChanServ:
[10:15] <jussi> Welcome to #channel. This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[10:15] <jussi> dpm: what is the channel the bot is for ?
[10:15] <dpm> oh, I see it now, sorry
[10:16] <dpm> jussi, #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:16] <jussi> ok, I cant actually add that one, you need to grab jpds - for ubot2 (ubot2 -> Team channels A-L)
[10:32] <dpm> thanks jussi!
[11:22] <daker> mhall119_, czajkowski he said : "i know it's in there, but it's just a crap". What he is referring to? content, portal itself. it's all my work with kim0; it's 90% of my spare time during 1 year
[11:23] <dholbach> salut daker - comment ça va?
[11:24] <daker> salut dholbach, ça va très mal :/
[11:24] <dholbach> daker, qu'est-ce qui ce passe? :-(
[11:26] <czajkowski> daker: I think honestly it's just out of context
[11:26] <daker> dholbach, listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=8sNzrFTDK4o#t=911s
[11:26] <czajkowski> daker: jcastro_ really isn't one to dismiss peoples work
[11:27] <czajkowski> daker: dontfroget he's just taken this over so may have some catching up on, maybe ye can talk about some ideas and input
[11:28] <dholbach> daker, best talk to jcastro_ about it - I'm convinced he didn't mean to say that you were doing a bad job - not at all
[11:29] <popey> daker: at teh time he's talking about search
[11:29] <popey> the fact that you cant find what you want
[11:29] <popey> "I know it's in there" - I know the content I want is in there
[11:29] <popey> " but it's crap" - crap that i can't find it
[11:30] <popey> he's not saying the content itself is crap, but that the engine doesn't find the stuff
[11:30] <popey> (I think) :D
[11:31] <daker> dholbach, start from 16:20
[11:31] <dholbach> daker, I'm sure that while it sounded like things were really bad, it's more to say "this is something we can improve"
[11:31] <dholbach> daker, everybody in here appreciates the great work you are doing
[11:31] <daker> dholbach, except jcastro_
[11:32] <dholbach> I'm sure that's not the case
[11:32] <czajkowski> daker: I don't think that's fair I think you and he should talk, but perhaps the session doesnt translate what he was trying to convey I can't speak for him
[11:33] <czajkowski> daker: I know I appreciate the work you've done on the loco.u.c and other sites.
[11:35] <pangolin> daker: I agree with czajkowski, you should speak with Jorge before going and condemning him for something you "think" he said.
[11:35] <pangolin> He is really not the type of person to go around and putting down other peoples work.
[11:35] <popey> daker: don't start at 16:20, you need the context of the minute or two before that, they're talking about search
[11:35] <dholbach> daker, I'm sure we can resolve this
[11:35] <daker> czajkowski, pangolin ok
[11:36] <pangolin> daker: je te promets que jorge n'est pas ce type de personne.
[11:39] <daker> btw where is kim0 ?
[11:43] <nigelb> daker: kim0 left Canonical a few weeks ago.
[11:43] <nigelb> jcastro is now the cloud person.
[11:44] <dholbach> kim0 is working in a startup in Cairo now
[11:44] <nigelb> dholbach: NICE!
[11:45] <daker> nigelb, i see
[11:46] <dholbach> I'm sad he's gone - I need to go and visit him in Cairo :)
[13:01] <mhall119_> daker: after watching the video, I think it's just an honest misunderstanding
[13:01] <mhall119_> I definitely second czajkowski, you should just talk to him
[13:20] <dpm> dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, I remember you had a similar bug in the LD to https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/885293, which uses django as well. Do you remember how you solved it?
[13:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885293 in ubuntudeveloperportal "Taiwan listed as "Taiwan, Province of China"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:23] <czajkowski> ahh yes I remember that one
[13:35] <dholbach> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/614236
[13:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614236 in loco-team-portal "Wrong Country Name.  Lord he'p me!
[14:46] <nigelb> (seen on twitter)
[14:47] <snap-l> I'm still trying to figure out why the Orchestra metaphor wasn't good
[14:47] <snap-l> Ensemble, Chamber, songsheets.
[14:47] <snap-l> songbooks
[14:48] <snap-l> running the process could be "singing"
[14:48] <snap-l> so your servers could be singing off the same shongsheet
[14:48] <snap-l> that's a metaphor even accounting can understand.
[14:48] <danilos> dpm, hey-hey
[14:49] <nigelb> danilos: Several new chanels on the list these days? :)
[14:50] <danilos> nigelb, a few channels only for the purposes of breaking summit—I like to do my breaking in public :)
[14:50] <nigelb> danilos: haha
[14:51] <nigelb> I'm currently breaking it :D
[14:52] <cjohnston> if only he was kidding
[14:53] <popey> what is FARE-SEARCH_COM ?
[14:54] <popey> looks like a flight booking thing
[14:56] <czajkowski> a good site for that is skyscanner.net
[15:00] <cjohnston> jcastro_: ping
[15:01] <jcastro_> off today, send me a mail pls
[15:01] <cjohnston> we had a trello class scheduled. do we need to reschedule?
[15:01] <popey> czajkowski: I wasnt looking for one, I was wondering who FARE-SEARCH_COM was and why it was here. looks spammy
[15:03] <czajkowski> ahh ok sorry
[15:04]  * jussi prods at dholbach
[15:10] <cjohnston> dpm: ping
[15:11] <dpm> cjohnston, on a call, I'll be back later
[15:11] <cjohnston> ok
[15:51] <scott-work> good morning
[16:11] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:12] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:15] <czajkowski> afternoon jono hows life in california land
[16:17] <scott-work> this is an interesting interview i listened to: http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/30
[16:17] <jono> hey czajkowski
[16:17] <jono> all good thanks!
[16:17] <scott-work> trinagulation is a good podcast where leo leport and tom merritt talk to very intersting people
[16:18] <scott-work> hi dholbach czajkowski jono , morning all :)
[16:18] <jono> hey scott-work
[16:18] <czajkowski> scott-work: hiya
[16:19] <scott-work> triangulation interview kevin minkick a while back, which if you know anything about the hacking history you should know this guy, bloody amazing story
[16:20] <cjohnston> jono: do you have some time free after 1p your time?
[16:21] <jono> cjohnston, *possibly*, I will be at a conference
[16:21] <jono> cjohnston, what do you need to discuss
[16:21] <cjohnston> ok
[16:21] <cjohnston> summit
[16:27] <cjohnston> jono: continue/finish the conversations we were having last week about summit development for this cycle
[16:27] <jono> cjohnston, if this is not urgent, can we talk tomorrow?
[16:28] <cjohnston> jono: im at work tomorrow so no guarentees.. but its not urgent
[16:28] <jono> cjohnston, cool, next week is fine too
[16:28] <jono> I am at home like normal
[16:28] <jono> thanks, cjohnston
[16:28] <cjohnston> ok
[16:28] <cjohnston> np
[16:35] <dpm> hey cjohnston, I'm free for a chat now
[16:37] <cjohnston> dpm: how translatable is "RSVP"
[16:39] <dpm> cjohnston, not easy to translate, but I think translators would manage to find an equivalent. The only thing to bear in mind is that the equivalent might well be longer than 4 letters, if space is a concern where this string wil be shown
[16:40] <dpm> e.g. in Catalan we'd translate it as "Esperem la vostra resposta" or something along these lines
[16:40] <cjohnston> Would "Register" be better?
[16:41] <dpm> yes, I think it would, it's easier to understand by translators, as they're probably more familiar with the term "Register" than "RSVP"
[16:44] <cjohnston> we have the ability to add a comment for translators.. what about doing "RSVP" and telling translators they can translate 'register'
[16:45] <nigelb> cjohnston: That's not fair.
[16:45] <cjohnston> to say that they 'can' translate register?
[16:46] <nigelb> To translate into a different word in other languages
[16:46] <cjohnston> either is valid
[16:46] <cjohnston> and they have the choice
[16:46] <nigelb> I would rather we just use Register.
[16:53] <cjohnston> ok.. its changed
[16:57]  * AlanBell wonders if they will translate Register to "répondez s'il vous plaît" in French
[16:58] <nigelb> heh
[17:06] <jussi> nigelb: still around?
[17:07] <nigelb> jussi: yep
[17:07] <jussi> nigelb: is there a reason ubuntu pads dont have chat?
[17:07] <nigelb> jussi: yup, AlanBell ripped it out :)
[17:07] <AlanBell> yes, because we ripped it out
[17:07] <jussi> why?
[17:07] <AlanBell> because the UDS rooms use IRC
[17:07] <AlanBell> it would be confusing to have two places to chat
[17:07] <jussi> and the pads arent intended for non uds work?
[17:08] <nigelb> not yet.
[17:08] <cjohnston> no
[17:08] <jussi> (couldnt it just have been hidden? )
[17:08] <AlanBell> it was just hidden
[17:08] <jussi> but I cant unhide it... right?
[17:08] <nigelb> jussi: AlanBell and I are working together this cycle for better etherpad experience, probably with etherpad-lite
[17:08] <nigelb> Hopefully, we can do somethign thsi time.
[17:08] <AlanBell> however, you can only have one theme on a pad server of that version because the dynamic theme switching on the URL is hopelessly broken
[17:08] <jussi> ok :)
[17:09] <jussi> anyways. I used it outside of uds. oops. I need a name/title for this survey. any good ones?  http://pad.ubuntu.com/rtWQqrjItF
[17:09] <nigelb> jussi: just remember the data might get deleted this cycle.
[17:09] <AlanBell> I wanted to have a general purpose theme and in the iframe URL change to a less featured theme for embedding but that broke horribly
[17:10] <jussi> nigelb: its ok, as long as you dont delete it in the next 24 hours
[17:10] <nigelb> jussi: heh
[17:10] <jussi> (and Ill go back to using notes.kde.org) :D
[17:11] <jussi> but anyway. survey title please!
[17:11] <nigelb> jussi: pad.ubuntu-uk.org
[17:11] <jussi> nigelb: nah... those untrustable uk peoples :P :P
[17:11] <nigelb> jussi: You mean you don't trust Daviey? :D
[17:12] <jussi> nigelb: definately not! o.O
[17:12] <jussi> :P
[17:12] <AlanBell> jussi: feel free to use my limesurvey instance
[17:12] <AlanBell> people complain every time a non-free surveymonkey survey goes out
[17:12] <jussi> AlanBell: ooh. is it better than surveymonkey?
[17:12] <jussi> AlanBell: url please?
[17:12] <jussi> But I still need a title... :(
[17:13] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/
[17:13] <popey> ge
[17:13] <popey> bah
[17:13] <jussi> AlanBell: how do I create one ?
[17:13] <popey> the question 'are you an ubuntu member' might need clarifying
[17:14] <AlanBell> jussi: sure, one sec, just remembering how to do that
[17:14] <jussi> popey: hrm. Im thinking to remove that, because its going to ubuntu-irc-members.
[17:16] <jussi> so everyone getting it should be an ubuntu member anyway
[17:16] <AlanBell> you should have an email now
[17:17] <jussi> which email addy did you use?
[17:18] <jussi> oh found it.
[17:19] <jussi> So, what do we think? Ubuntu IRC Survey?  or someone got somethign more interesting for a name?
[17:20] <jussi> AlanBell: what do I put in end url? (what is that?)
[17:25] <AlanBell> jussi: I think it shoudl be on the email or http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/limesurvey/admin
[17:26] <jussi> AlanBell: and call me blind, but how do I add questions.....
[17:26] <AlanBell> you have to add a survey first
[17:27] <AlanBell> I need to sort out teatime, back in a bit
[17:27] <AlanBell> pleia2: has done a survey wtih it
[17:27] <jussi> AlanBell: Ive got the survey added, but I still cant see the question bit :(
[17:28] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'll see you tomorrow - have a great rest of your day?
[17:28] <pleia2> you first need to create a question group (I don't know what that means, I just created a question group for all the questions)
[17:28] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[17:28] <pleia2> er, and put all the questions in it
[17:28] <jussi> later dholbach
[17:28] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:28] <jussi> pleia2: ahhh!
[17:31] <jussi> pleia2: one more quic one, When adding questions, there is a "code". do I need this?/what is it for?
[17:31] <pleia2> I don't remember, I just clicked around until things worked
[17:31] <pleia2> (and complained at AlanBell in irc)
[17:32] <jussi> hehe, ok thanks
[17:42] <AlanBell> yeah, I recall that ;)
[17:42] <AlanBell> I just changed the survey to the sherpa theme which I hacked the css to be a bit ubuntuish
[17:43] <AlanBell> I might make that a bit more pleasant
[17:43] <AlanBell> wow that did something odd with the channel names!
[17:45] <AlanBell> oh no, it was you copying from the pad with the URLs intact :)
[17:51] <AlanBell> I think LimeSurvey is probably very powerful and comprehensive, but not as easy to use as other tools that do less
[18:13] <cprofitt> hey AlanBell
[18:14] <AlanBell> hi
[18:20] <jussi> AlanBell: how do I now populate the email addresses?
[18:21] <AlanBell> click the token management icon (last one on the survey line, picture of people on it)
[18:21] <AlanBell> and create a token table
[18:22] <jussi> ahh ok
[18:22] <AlanBell> and you can import from CSV
[18:40] <jussi> AlanBell: Is there a nice simple way to convert a file with an address per line to csv?
[18:45] <AlanBell> um, got firstname, lastname, email ?
[18:46] <jussi> no. Lpname, email.
[18:46] <AlanBell> it wants firstname and lastname of some sort
[18:47] <jussi> bah :(
[18:47] <AlanBell> if you have lpname a simplish script can get you the rest
[18:47] <jussi> yeah script daniel gave me go lpname and email
[18:47] <AlanBell> ok, I think I have something similar
[18:48] <jussi> hrm are any of the canonical community team here?
[18:49] <AlanBell> launchpad has display_name and doesn't separate first and last names
[18:50] <AlanBell> meh, just import it as lpname, "Ubuntu", email
[18:51] <jussi> so how do I convert to csv?
[18:52] <AlanBell> put it in openoffice calc and save as csv
[18:52] <AlanBell> first line is the fieldnames
[18:52] <AlanBell> firstname lastname email
[18:52] <AlanBell> and then data below them
[19:07] <jussi> AlanBell: ok, I think Ive got it all done! Just got to check it again and send it out
[19:08] <jussi> Think Ill do it in the morning though. double check it hten. :)
[19:10] <AlanBell> jussi: so this is just going to members who have declared themselves as IRC users?
[19:10] <AlanBell> there must be more cloaked members than that I should think
[19:11] <jussi> AlanBell: ubuntu-irc-members team.
[19:11] <jussi> AlanBell: it was made with those who have come through the ircc for membership plus the cloaked users who didnt opt out when we made the group
[19:12] <AlanBell> ok
[19:12] <jussi> AlanBell: if you have time, please double check that theres nothing other untoward there. Ill be sending it in the morning
[19:13] <AlanBell> ok, seen where you can edit the email template?
[19:14] <jussi> yep
[20:08] <akgraner> jcastro_, I missed the Ubuntu Weeks session b/c I was conducting interviews do you have the link to the blueprint handy?
[20:52] <pleia2> akgraner: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-irc-workshops
[20:54] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[20:54] <akgraner> cool 3 days and 30 minutes sessions I am so there :-)
[20:55] <pleia2> :D
[21:03] <cjohnston> doctormo-other: ping
[21:43] <technoviking> hey Jono
[21:43] <doctormo-sda1> Hey technoviking
[21:44] <technoviking> doctormo-sda1: hola
[21:44] <jono> hey technoviking
[21:46] <AlanBell> o/ jono
[21:47] <AlanBell> in london at all over December jono?
[21:47] <jono> hey AlanBell
[21:47] <jono> hows things?
[21:47] <AlanBell> sorting out christmas LoCo party
[21:47] <doctormo-sda1> AlanBell: I will be.
[21:47] <AlanBell> at http://www.danslenoir.com
[21:47] <AlanBell> ooh doctormo-sda1 when?
[21:47] <akgraner> hey jono  when you get a chance can you look at the screenshot I sent you about Ustream - I am at a loss - was hoping you might have a suggestion...
[21:48] <doctormo-sda1> AlanBell: Assuming everything goes well with little Violet's passport, around Dec 12th perhaps.
[21:48] <akgraner> no hurry mind you  - just wanted to mention it to ya
[21:48] <jono> akgraner, just replied
[21:48] <doctormo-sda1> It's a bit in the air atm, but I'll certainly be there.
[21:48] <jono> no idea what is wrong
[21:48] <akgraner> k
[21:48] <akgraner> thanks
[22:07] <alourie> hello
[22:08] <technoviking> alourie: hellp
[22:08] <technoviking> alourie: hello
[22:09] <alourie> technoviking: hey... hellping could be my speciality :-)
[22:09] <technoviking> :)
[22:21] <AlanBell> doctormo-other: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:49] <alourie> ok, it is now official 11/11/11 here. I'm going to sleep.
[22:51] <bkerensa> jono: I did check into the video streaming thing... Kaltura is Open Source Video Streaming Platform and has modules you can put in for chat... Not sure if you have a server but it might be a good ustream alternative if ads become a issue :D
[22:51] <bkerensa> Bandwidth would be super intense
[22:51] <bkerensa> :P
[22:51] <AlanBell> jono isn't here
[22:51] <bkerensa> oh
[22:51]  * bkerensa facepalms
[23:26] <topyli> bkerensa: interesting
[23:26] <bkerensa> topyli: ? The kaltura?
[23:27] <topyli> bkerensa: yes
[23:27] <topyli> free streaming stuff isn't exactly common
[23:27] <bkerensa> topyli:Oh its not free.... You have to have a server and install Kaltura Community Edition and add modules
[23:27] <bkerensa> but it would work just like UStream
[23:27] <bkerensa> only without ads
[23:27] <topyli> free software anyway :)
[23:27] <bkerensa> and open source
[23:27] <bkerensa> yeah
[23:27] <bkerensa> :D
[23:28]  * bkerensa knows their CTO
[23:28] <bkerensa> :P
[23:28]  * bkerensa was thinking about asking him about the platform some
[23:28] <topyli> servers are something you have to anyway, preferably with other people's money