[00:03] <dtchen> ok, seriously, this is becoming ridiculous
[00:04] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ?
[00:04] <dtchen> just about two of every three "no sound" bugs coming in are caused by people running Jaunty's kernel in Karmic due to some grub-conffile-not-being-updated-properly snafu
[00:05] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:05] <dtchen> on one hand, it's pretty simple to script: it just looks mismatched DistroRelease and ProcVersionSignature
[00:05] <BUGabundo> how did that escape beta?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:06] <bdmurray> dtchen: I've done a dist-upgrade today and didn't see that.  Do you have any more information?
[00:06] <dtchen> on another, it is really just a waste of my time
[00:06] <dtchen> bdmurray: I don't have any more
[00:06] <dtchen> but, I can just sling bugs your way
[00:06] <dtchen> my gmail account is cluttered with them
[00:06] <bdmurray> I've seen some of them
[00:07] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: users on 2.6.28  upgradng to karmic don't get grub to boot from 2.6.31
[00:07] <BUGabundo> that's the result of the bug
[00:07] <BUGabundo> I still don't get why we aren't pushing grub-pc
[00:07] <BUGabundo> when are we expected to upgrade it? next cycle?
[00:08] <MsMaco> BUGabundo: but not ALL upgraders are hitting it
[00:08] <MsMaco> BUGabundo: thats whats got bdmurray  and i confused. we both upgraded and havent hit it
[00:08] <BUGabundo> let me guess: diferent pockets enabled :)
[00:08] <MsMaco> s/i/me/
[00:08] <dtchen> I wonder what FS type is being used.
[00:09] <dtchen> MsMaco: may I bother you to stick something in the forums shortly?
[00:09] <dtchen> sticky*
[00:10] <MsMaco> aye
[00:10] <MsMaco> np
[00:10]  * MsMaco scowls at laptop lid
[00:10] <MsMaco> stay open!
[00:10] <MsMaco> dtchen: can i pxe boot a karmic i386 install from your laptop tonight?
[00:11] <MsMaco> this laptop has to go get fixed and the one i'll be switching the hard drive into cant run the amd64 installed on it and has a broken cd drive :(
[00:11] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:11] <BUGabundo> that reminds me
[00:11] <BUGabundo> we should have a *really* easy to install from PXE
[00:12] <BUGabundo> like an image that boot as server
[00:12] <BUGabundo> or a easy to setup service on a lan pc :)
[00:15] <dtchen> MsMaco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8201048#post8201048
[00:15] <dtchen> MsMaco: thanks, and sure
[00:16] <MsMaco> BUGabundo: it turns out it is easy. dtchen  did it in like 5 minutes last time i had to install on that laptop
[00:16] <MsMaco> dtchen: stuck
[00:16] <BUGabundo> MsMaco: sure its easy for advanced users
[00:17] <MsMaco> BUGabundo: i got the impression it was like 3 commands or so
[00:17] <MsMaco> dtchen: no wonder people still think youre a core-dev. your forum banner still says "ubuntu developer"
[00:17] <dtchen> thanks
[00:17] <dtchen> that banner was only added this cycle IIRC
[00:18] <dtchen> timing for everything seems to be abysmal
[00:18] <BUGabundo> ehe
[00:18] <dtchen> anyhow, I really don't feel like spending my Friday night telling everyone to reboot into Karmic's kernel, but I'll end up doing it.
[00:18] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: had to look up IIRC....  i feel i've been around here forever but never long enough
[00:20] <bcurtiswx> <--- convo killer
[00:22] <MsMaco> bcurtiswx: install bsd-games and then you can get the wtf program. type "wtf iirc" in a terminal and itll define it for you :P
[00:22] <bcurtiswx> so, Lucid Lynx.  Time to start thinking Lucid Milestones in bugs now.. or Karmic-updates?
[00:23] <dtchen> both, of course
[00:23] <dtchen> if you're lucky, you get bugs all the time, so it really doesn't matter
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> MsMaco: i've been on the interwebs for such a long time.. im appalled at myself for not knowing that
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> im afraid for empathy and triage once everyone gets their hands on it for Karmic....
[00:24] <MsMaco> oh god yeah
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> its just too bugy IMO... shouldn't have included it quite yet
[00:25] <MsMaco> i got it to work once for video chat with wgrant
[00:25] <MsMaco> on the 3rd try
[00:25] <bcurtiswx> keyword: once
[00:25] <MsMaco> tried to repeat with dholbach the next day...6 tries...gave up
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> theres so much work that _needs_ to be done with it... all I can do is push ideas(bugs) their way, i don't know GTK+ to be helpful with patching etc..
[00:26] <dtchen> MsMaco: even with the version in karmic-proposed?
[00:27] <MsMaco> this was a week ago
[00:27]  * MsMaco checks for updates
[00:27] <bcurtiswx> yeah proposed... i got it but didn't check... i wonder if there were lots of bug fixes in it <goes and checks>
[00:27] <dtchen> well, yes, there are bug fixes
[00:27] <MsMaco> dtchen: i need to disable proxying through your apt-cacher, eh?
[00:28] <dtchen> MsMaco: well, I have it cached *here*
[00:28] <dtchen> you probably can't punch through the firewall, though
[00:28] <bcurtiswx> wow.. lucid toolchain uploaded already..
[00:28] <MsMaco> dtchen: ok so yes
[00:28] <MsMaco> didnt know if youleft that laptop here and took the netbook with you :P
[00:29] <dtchen> I hate netbooks
[00:29] <dtchen> if it isn't "please actually boot into Karmic's kernel", it's "please install linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic and reboot"
[00:30] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: *already* ??
[00:30] <dtchen> however, that's a good thing -- I can easily be replaced by a robot!
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> probably not.. i just see lucid in http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=empathy
[00:30]  * BUGabundo backups apt sources
[00:31] <MsMaco> dtchen: actually thats a good idea....
[00:31] <MsMaco> jussi01: can ubottu be taught to tell people to run "sudo update-grub" if they dist-upgraded and lost sound?
[00:31] <bcurtiswx> MsMaco: that would make an interesting installfest....
[00:31] <dtchen> MsMaco: err
[00:31] <mastermolch> hi, i did my first bug report 4 days ago about a sound card problem on my notebook with ubuntu 9.10. there was no reaction to it on launchpad. is there any way to speed up the fixing process. i would to help a bit more on fixing it, but i m just a normal user.
[00:31] <dtchen> that might not be a good bot-toid
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx - that doesn't mean anything - the lucid version there was just pocket copied from karmic-proposed
[00:32] <dtchen> oh geez.
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> but yes, the toolchain is nearly uploaded
[00:32]  * bcurtiswx beats up packages.ubuntu.com
[00:32] <MsMaco> hahahaha
[00:32] <dtchen> mastermolch: which bug number?
[00:32] <MsMaco> mastermolch: any chance you upgraded from jaunty to karmic?
[00:32] <mastermolch> 462283
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson: didn't waste any time
[00:33] <mastermolch> it is a fresh installation of karmic
[00:34] <dtchen> mastermolch: neither of them will be addressed immediately, as fixes require rather invasive changes to linux and pulseaudio.
[00:34] <dtchen> mastermolch: your non-stereo profile symptom is a dupe; search Launchpad.
[00:35] <dtchen> mastermolch: in other words, look for fixes in 10.04 LTS, not 9.10.
[00:36] <mastermolch> a dupe? you mean the reason is somewhere else?
[00:36] <dtchen> mastermolch: sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news.
[00:36] <dtchen> mastermolch: no, I'm saying that your non-stereo profile badness symptom has been reported about a half-dozen times before.
[00:36] <MsMaco> mastermolch: dupe = duplicate
[00:36] <mastermolch> it is ok, but i would like it to use it in april again :D
[00:37] <mastermolch> ok
[00:37] <dtchen> mastermolch: we'll likely have staging versions in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[00:38] <mastermolch> i disabled pulseaudio in 9.04 and used alsa alone, but 9.10 has no guis for alsa now
[00:38] <mastermolch> it is not as easy to use alsa only now
[00:38] <dtchen> it's still quite straightforward
[00:38] <dtchen> create an ~/.asoundrc that re-redefines pcm.default and ctl.default
[00:39] <dtchen> or, rm /usr/share/alsa/pulse.conf
[00:39] <mastermolch> ok, i will read about it in the wiki again
[00:39] <dtchen> disable autospawn, etc.
[00:42] <mastermolch> ok, the 5.1 problem is not so hard for me, i use my headphones most time, so stereo is ok now, 5.1 is like a nice option for me on this computer
[00:42] <mastermolch> i just wondered why it behaves that strange
[00:42] <dtchen> 99% certain it's just mixer settings
[00:43] <dtchen> of course it'll end up being "well, alsa shouldn't be doing that"
[00:43] <MsMaco> are you ranting to yoursef again
[00:43] <MsMaco> ?
[00:43] <dtchen> who's ranting?
[00:44]  * bcurtiswx agrees with MsMaco
[00:45]  * BUGabundo is confused with MsMaco new nick
[00:45] <MsMaco> would you prefer /nick maco_isnt_using_quassel ?
[00:46] <mastermolch> ok, can you have a look to another bug i reported this week?
[00:46] <mastermolch> number: 462921
[00:46] <mastermolch> maybe they need more information?
[00:46] <bcurtiswx> i prefer /nick maco_isnt_using_quassel_so_bugabundo_should_stop_asking_questions
[00:47] <MsMaco> bug 462921
[00:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 462921 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945GM] OpenGL problems on "Samsung Q25 Ruby" Notebook with i945GM graphics with Ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462921
[00:47] <MsMaco> oh i have a 945 here...
[00:47] <mastermolch> i tried to use audacity yesterday, recording worked, but the playback was stuttering in the first seconds and audacity had a freeze later
[00:48] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: I didn't make a Q
[00:48] <mastermolch> i wonder a bit if this is connected to the other problem
[00:48] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: not yet.. :P
[00:48] <mastermolch> maybe it is a chipset problem and not a graphics problem
[00:48] <mastermolch> or i dont know
[00:48] <mastermolch> i just wondered if my bug report is right this wax
[00:48] <mastermolch> way
[00:49] <dtchen> mastermolch: 462921 is fine; it has already been marked Confirmed. Just hang tight, please.
[00:49] <dtchen> We all appreciate your enthusiasm, but things are pretty hectic the week of release.
[00:50] <mastermolch> yes sure, i forgot a bit :) i use karmic for 2 weeks now for testing.
[00:50] <mastermolch> but you are right
[00:51] <MsMaco> so when can we upgrade to lucid?
[00:52] <dtchen> it already exists (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/)
[00:57]  * BUGabundo claps hands
[01:04] <MsMaco> yeah but there arent repos for it :P
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I'll just add it to sources
[01:09] <BUGabundo> once stuff comes porign in I'll get ut :)
[01:09] <BUGabundo> *it
[02:23] <monteiro> anyone knows a way to find a method in a set of files?
[04:08] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: not to beat a dead horse down or anything... but would you know why my sounds not working right now?
[04:09] <lifeless> bcurtiswx: boot into a karmic kernel
[04:09] <bcurtiswx> does it not do that by default?
[04:12] <bcurtiswx> lifeless: im in a karmic kernel... no sound
[04:14] <bcurtiswx> ah ha
[04:14] <bcurtiswx> its muted in a weird way
[04:18] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: as in zero/muted at login?
[04:19] <bcurtiswx> yeah
[04:19] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: ^^
[04:20] <dtchen> that's probably the PA bug we've been chasing
[04:20] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: alrightie
[04:20] <dtchen> seems there's a regression in the move from module-volume-restore -> module-stream-restore
[04:21] <dtchen> from all accounts a race -- need to inspect it later
[04:21] <bcurtiswx> ah, ok.. gl!
[04:44] <deuxpi> someone seems to have a problem with some libraries not binding properly in bug 464734. User should probably run ldconfig, but is there anything else to look for?
[04:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 464734 in software-center "Ubuntu Software Center crashes on launch with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464734
[07:20] <trgbeck> ok I seen a flaw in Karmic it is in the mouse orientation to switch right to left handed doesnt work
[07:21] <trgbeck> ok I seen a flaw in Karmic it is in the mouse orientation to switch right to left handed doesnt work
[08:42] <^arky^> Hi, Anyone seen these ALSA underrun and wake errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304936/
[09:25] <^arky^> Is launchpad down, getting a lot of timeout errrors?
[09:57] <x3464> Can anyone confirm the following bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/466299
[09:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 466299 in firefox-3.5 "favicons are absent in "Bookmarks Toolbar"" [Undecided,New]
[10:03] <ikt> favicons working for me
[10:04] <ikt> have been updating since alpha 6
[10:07] <ikt> broken in vm install of the ubuntu rc
[10:19] <x3464> ikt: seems as though not a lot of people have noticed this bug because they've upgraded and not fresh installed the final.
[10:32] <ikt> the bug is present on the gold relase
[11:26] <joaopinto> hello
[11:26] <joaopinto> there are multiple bugs related to libsdl-alsa , does anyone see a problem on settimg them as duplicates ?
[12:32] <bddebian> Boo
[12:34] <anatolich> hi all! not sure it`s a bug, but grub2 does not write boot sector to a partition during installation. Can anybody consult me?
[13:18] <bala> hi, i have upgraded to karmic (dell 1525), and am unable to resume after suspend, is there anything i could do to fix this?
[13:21] <MrKanister> bala: I got exactly the same laptop (dell inspiron 1525). But I reinstalled Ubuntu instead of upgrading and suspend/resume works fine.
[13:22] <bala> MrKanister: unfortunately, i am not in a position to reinstall. :(
[13:23] <MrKanister> bala: Well, if you got a seperate partition for /home/, it would be very easy. If not do a backup, reinstall, and copy back the content to /home/
[13:26] <bala> MrKanister: thanks. i will keep that in mind. meanwhile, i will try to look for something that wouldn't take as much time. if i can't find one, i will follow your way.
[13:26] <bala> MrKanister: but do you have any guess on what could have gone wrong?
[13:27] <MrKanister> bala: hm, as far as I know, suspend/resume has only to do with the kernel and the regarding drivers
[13:28] <MrKanister> bala: Maybe you can post your problem in a forum and attach them your dmesg-log ("dmesg > log.txt") in a terminal
[13:28] <bala> MrKanister: yup. unfortunately, my kde doesn't show options to shutdown and reboot anymore!
[14:13] <carresmd> For some reason running ubuntu in karmic disables 'DeviceKit' suspend functionallity. Can someone confirm this for me using the following python script? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2416123/test_suspend.py
[14:14] <carresmd> oops
[14:14] <carresmd> I meant running karmic in virtualbox
[14:21] <carresmd> It used to work in karmic beta. And I haven't seen anything in the virtualbox changelog which might have caused this.
[14:36] <carresmd> no one willing to help?
[14:38] <JonyBlaze> i would if i had karmic installed in a virtualbox but i dont :|
[14:50] <carresmd> JonyBlaze, yeah I sounded a bit harsh didn't I?
[14:50] <carresmd> JonyBlaze, sorry about that
[14:56] <Sauliusl> hey there
[14:56] <Sauliusl> got completely lost trying to fix asus run hotkey (fn+space) after updating to 9.10
[14:57] <caio> anyone knows what is this? http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1355/karmicgnomepanel.png
[14:57] <Sauliusl> > ~$ sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event8
[14:57] <Sauliusl> scan code: 0x00   key code: screenlock
[14:57] <Sauliusl> scan code: 0x00   key code: 14A
[14:57] <Sauliusl> scan code: 0x00   key code: prog1
[14:57] <Sauliusl> how I am supposed to assign a keymap to 0x00's ?
[14:58] <caio> :(
[15:00] <caio> Sorry, the program "telepathy-butterfly" closed unexpectely
[15:01] <caio> buggy koala
[15:03] <carresmd> caio, looks like a graphical glitch to me
[15:05] <caio> it appears in the login screen too..
[15:05] <caio> very strange and irritating, blinking every time :(
[15:07] <carresmd> caio, are you using a proprietary video driver?
[15:09] <carresmd> Sauliusl, are you using somekind of guide? If so, can you give me the url?
[15:09] <Sauliusl> carresmd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[15:10] <caio> carresmd: nvidia...
[15:10] <Sauliusl> and  /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt
[15:11] <carresmd> caio, can you check if it happens without using the proprietary driver?
[15:13] <carresmd> Sauliusl, what is fn+space supposed to do?
[15:14] <Sauliusl> I don't actually remember, though it has a running man symbol, so I call it "run" key
[15:14] <Sauliusl> though that is not screenlock
[15:14] <Sauliusl> at all
[15:15] <carresmd> Sauliusl, so currently if you press fn+space it locks your screen?
[15:15] <Sauliusl> the keypress event gets detected by acpi_listen, by lshal-m,
[15:15] <Sauliusl> xev lists it as keymapNotify and the keymap -i shows all multimedia key scan codes 0x00
[15:16] <Sauliusl> yes it does
[15:16] <Sauliusl> unless i kill gnome-screensaver
[15:18] <Sauliusl> the key did not work at all at jaunty, though i was able to easily patch it adding script to acpi/events
[15:18] <Sauliusl> though now, when I do that it executes both: my script, and the lock screen binding
[15:20] <carresmd> Sauliusl, what does '$ grep -ir screenlock /lib/udev/keymaps/' outpyt?
[15:20] <carresmd> !paste | Sauliusl
[15:20] <ubot4> Sauliusl: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com (or !pastebinit for CLI) | For pasting !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin Please give us the URLs for your posts!
[15:21] <Sauliusl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/305982/
[15:23] <Sauliusl> I still wonder why all multimedia keys have the same scancode, but different assigments to them (and they actually work)
[15:23] <carresmd> Sauliusl, they all are 0x00?
[15:23] <Sauliusl> yes
[15:23] <carresmd> Sauliusl, missed that
[15:25] <Sauliusl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/305986/ that is weird
[15:25] <Sauliusl> isnt it?
[15:26] <carresmd> yeah, it isn't supposed to be like that
[15:27] <Sauliusl> and the keymap's dump for input/event8
[15:27] <Sauliusl> contains only a single line: ### evdev 1.0.0., driver 'Asus Laptop extra buttons'
[15:28] <carresmd> what is you change 'input/event8' to 'input/event<nummer>' replace <number> with a number ^^. Check which are available via '$ ls -l /dev/input/'
[15:29] <Sauliusl> input/event4 is for regular keyboard keys
[15:29] <Sauliusl> input/event8 is for multimedia
[15:29] <Sauliusl> event4 does not detect the multimedia, nor event8 detects regular keypresses
[15:29] <carresmd> Sauliusl, hmm didn't know that :-)
[15:30] <Sauliusl> :)
[15:31] <carresmd> input/event4 is for multimedia keys on my machine :S
[15:31] <Sauliusl> i guess you're not on asus, are you?
[15:31] <carresmd> true
[15:32] <Sauliusl> i think I should submit this into tracker
[15:32] <Sauliusl> though i am not sure where the problem is exactly so dont know which package to add the bug to
[15:33] <carresmd> probably udev
[15:33] <carresmd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/udev-extras/+bugs
[15:34] <Sauliusl> why is launchpad so slow?
[15:34] <Sauliusl> There are currently no open bugs.
[15:34] <Sauliusl> thats awesome :D
[15:35] <carresmd> lol
[15:35] <Sauliusl> Udev extras  does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.
[15:35] <carresmd> it isn't slow for me
[15:35] <Sauliusl> hah
[15:35] <carresmd> no I saw it
[15:35] <carresmd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev-extras
[15:45] <carresmd> Ooopss! Sauliusl, don't report it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev-extras .. it's old
[15:45] <Sauliusl> :D
[15:45] <Sauliusl> ha
[15:45] <carresmd> if you haven't already done so, report it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev :-)
[15:46] <Sauliusl> alright
[17:09] <mlourenco> 9.10 Samba bug - invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed....can anyone help?
[17:13] <dtchen> that's insufficient info; we need the spew prior
[17:17] <mlourenco> what does it look like/start with?
[17:18] <dtchen> the entire upgrade log?
[17:19] <mlourenco> how do get you the entire log?
[17:21] <dtchen> I presume you didn't use apport-bug/ubuntu-bug?
[17:22] <dtchen> if not, see /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/dpkg.log
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[17:32] <mlourenco> Unpacking samba (from .../samba_2%3a3.4.0-3ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
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[17:33] <mlourenco> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/smbstatus (smbstatus) in auto mode.
[17:33] <mlourenco> Generating /etc/default/samba...
[17:33] <mlourenco>  * Starting Samba daemons
[17:33] <mlourenco>    ...fail!
[17:33] <mac_v> wth!
[17:33] <mlourenco> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[17:33] <mlourenco> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[17:33] <mlourenco>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[17:33] <mlourenco> Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:33] <mlourenco>  samba
[17:33] <mlourenco> Log ended: 2009-10-31  13:19:07
[17:33] <mac_v> mlourenco: pls use pastebin
[17:34] <mlourenco> what's the syntax for pastebin?
[17:34] <mac_v> !pastebin
[17:34] <ubot4> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from  command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[17:36] <mlourenco> how do i send a msg directly to a user like you did :mac_v
[17:36] <mac_v> mlourenco: not needed again , but for future reference
[17:37] <mac_v> mlourenco: hmm? what msg directly? i didnt message anything :)
[17:37] <mac_v> oh you mean this > ? <mac_v> mlourenco: pls use pastebin
[17:38] <mlourenco> yes
[17:38] <mac_v> type the initial letter of the username and use tab key for auto completion , like for your name i just use "mlo" +tabkey
[17:39] <mlourenco> mac_v, testing
[17:39] <mac_v> thats it :)
[17:39] <mlourenco> thx!
[17:40] <mlourenco> dtchen, 2009-10-31 13:19:02 startup archives unpack
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:02 install samba <none> 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:02 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending man-db 2.5.6-2
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending sreadahead 1.0-5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:40] <mac_v> mlourenco: pls use pastebin!
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 trigproc man-db 2.5.6-2 2.5.6-2
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-configured man-db 2.5.6-2
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status installed man-db 2.5.6-2
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 trigproc ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1 0.29-4ubuntu1
[17:40] <mac_v> mlourenco: not copy paste lines here!
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-configured ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status installed ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:04 trigproc sreadahead 1.0-5 1.0-5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status half-configured sreadahead 1.0-5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status installed sreadahead 1.0-5
[17:40] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 startup packages configure
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 configure samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mac_v> !ops
[17:41] <ubot4> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status half-configured samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:05 update-alternatives: link group smbstatus updated to point to /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:06 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:07 startup packages configure
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:07 configure samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:07 status half-configured samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:07 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz
[17:41] <mlourenco> 2009-10-31 13:19:08 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz
[17:41] <mlourenco> !pastebin
[17:41] <ubot4> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from  command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[17:42] <mac_v> mlourenco: pls do *not* paste multiple lines in the channel , use pastebin if someone has saked for information
[17:43] <mac_v> asked for*
[17:45] <mlourenco> dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/306073/
[17:46] <dtchen> sorry, I'm busy debugging another sound issue ATM, will look in ~30 minutes
[17:48] <mlourenco> dtchen, no problem.
[18:02] <dtchen> is there a Thibault DUPUIS present?
[18:03] <dtchen> ok, so more info for people triaging audio bugs:
[18:03] <dtchen> if you see that a reporter's symptoms are resolved by installing linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic, please make the following changes to the bug report:
[18:03] <dtchen> Change the affected source package to linux, and mark it Fix Committed with Importance Low
[18:03] <dtchen> Add a linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 task, and mark it Fix Released
[18:03] <dtchen> thanks!
[18:04] <dtchen> (if you have a burning question and I'm not responding, contact maco/MsMaco, and she can relay it)
[18:06] <MsMaco> how can i relay it? you're not home!
[18:06] <MsMaco> dtchen: ^
[18:07] <joaopinto> dtchen, that should be added to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[18:22] <joaopinto> dtchen, is the alsa from linux-backports expected to fix problems when there is no sound with PA running, but plays fine without PA ?
[18:31] <dtchen> joaopinto: no, it isn't
[18:32] <joaopinto> hum ok :\
[18:32] <joaopinto> any hints ?
[18:32] <dtchen> joaopinto: it's limited to specific hardware (namely, Realtek and IDT/Sigmatel HDA codecs)
[18:32] <dtchen> MsMaco: you can SMS
[18:32] <joaopinto> how does pulseaudio interfere in such a way that there is no sound playback when ALSA plays just fine ?
[18:33] <MsMaco> dtchen: ohok
[18:34] <dtchen> joaopinto: PA has its own set of mixer profiles.
[18:35] <joaopinto> so in this case is most likely to be a PA bug at the mixer level ?
[18:35] <dtchen> joaopinto: and no, the triaging procedure is for people who triage bugs (bugcontrol, etc.)
[18:35] <dtchen> in "this" case?
[18:35] <joaopinto> dtchen, ok
[18:35] <dtchen> there is no one catch-all case
[18:36] <dtchen> every single bug needs to be evaluated individually
[18:36] <joaopinto> dtchen, aplay plais fine without PA, no sound with PA
[18:36] <dtchen> joaopinto: in that particular set of symptoms, you look at the output from 'amixer' with and without PA running.
[18:37] <joaopinto> it will report different values ?
[18:37] <dtchen> if that doesn't reveal anything, that's a much bigger problem, and you need to use codec debugging, e.g., wiki/ALSA/JackSense
[18:37] <joaopinto> erm, I am still missing something, does PA contain codec specific code ? isn't that the ALSA level only ?
[18:40] <dtchen> it *should* reveal different values
[18:40] <dtchen> if it *doesn't*, you have either a linux bug or a hardware bug
[18:40] <dtchen> hence my referring to codec debugging
[18:40] <dtchen> PA doesn't (and can't) meddle with the codec directly -- everything is proxied through alsa-lib by design
[18:42] <dtchen> finally finished triaging this morning's round of 50 "grub didn't update properly" bugs
[18:42] <joaopinto> erm, an HW bug which is triggered by the PA mixer but not but by ALSA mixer ?
[18:42] <dtchen> joaopinto: the PA mixer *is* the ALSA mixer
[18:42] <dtchen> joaopinto: there is no difference
[18:42] <dtchen> joaopinto: I simply explained every conceivable problem
[18:42] <joaopinto> dtchen, you mentioned mixing profiles, so there is an extra level of management in PA, regarless if the backend is the alsa mixer
[18:43] <dtchen> joaopinto: yes, but the fact that it touches the alsa mixer is the only relevant portion
[18:43] <joaopinto> dtchen, I am trying to understand this particular scenario, where you have 0 sound with PA, and regular mixed sound without it
[18:43] <dtchen> if it works fine w/o PA, then you look at the mixer element settings before and after running PA
[18:44] <dtchen> it *should* be obvious which mixer elements have been modified
[18:44] <dtchen> if it *isn't*, you have a *serious* codec bug
[18:44] <dtchen> some HDA and AC'97 codecs *do* have these sort of bugs -- they will incorrectly cache their codec settings without actually updating upon read
[18:45] <dtchen> in that case, the only way to troubleshoot is to require a full powercycle where you wait 2-3 minutes between powering down and powering on to allow the capacitors to drain
[18:46] <joaopinto> ok, next time i will check the amixer output, tks
[18:47] <dtchen> FWIW, for some small percentage of the codecs, you can reset all the pins after completely unloading and reloading the sound driver, but you need hda-analyzer
[18:48] <dtchen> so, to summarise: check the amixer settings before and after PA is running (usually prior to gdm's greeter being started)
[18:49] <joaopinto> ok
[18:53] <dtchen> mlourenco: I don't think that pastebin url contains everything I asked for
[19:03] <dtchen> welp, that's certainly one way to prevent people from filing bugs via the LP web ui. Just OOPS. :-)
[19:23] <MsMaco> haha
[19:32] <MsMaco> dtchen: you told me to ask for /boot/grub/grub.cfg on here, but i dont know what to do with it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307155
[19:41] <dtchen> MsMaco: hd0,1 should never be a floppy drive.
[19:41] <dtchen> MsMaco: the reporter needs to check her/his bios settings more closely
[19:46] <jthill> So, I'm guessing that I'm one of very, very few people who ran jaunty with a root partition mounted data=ordered?
[19:48] <MsMaco> dtchen: ok...
[19:48] <MsMaco> dtchen: im still not sure what to tell them
[19:50] <jthill> not sure if it's new with the karmic version of mount or what, but after upgrade the initial root mount was ro,data=writeback, which mount refuses to remount as rw,data=ordered
[19:50] <jthill> guess what that did when i rebooted my shiny new karmic system
[19:52] <jthill> All better now, I did the manual mount to rw,data=writeback and fixed my fstab.
[19:53] <jthill> I don't see any bugs regarding this and wonder if I should even bother reporting it since it seems nobody else has hit it yet.
[19:53] <dtchen> report it, please.
[19:54] <dtchen> ubuntu-bug linux, etc.
[19:54] <jthill> then that's what I'll do, thanks
[19:55] <dtchen> MsMaco: walk her/him through checking the UUI
[19:55] <dtchen> UUID*
[19:56] <MsMaco> ...
[19:56] <MsMaco> i dont know how
[19:59] <dtchen> man blkid
[19:59] <MsMaco> thanks
[19:59] <MsMaco> i assumed itd be one of the uuid* commands but thats not it
[20:35] <malikkit1> hi
[20:37] <tanath> can someone help me with what package to file a bug report in?
[20:39] <tanath> i get random freezing
[20:41] <MsMaco> kernel panic, or X freezing?
[20:41] <MsMaco> if caps lock and num lock and such lights are flashing, its the former. if not, likely the latter
[20:41] <tanath> sometimes the kernel freezes (panicked once) sometimes not
[20:41] <tanath> it's very random :-/
[20:42] <tanath> i can find no commonality
[20:42] <MsMaco> thats always fun
[20:42] <tanath> but it started after karmic release
[20:42] <MsMaco> which has new both...
[20:42] <tanath> been using karmic for months. didn't have this before
[20:42] <MsMaco> well if you know 1 was a panic, try "ubuntu-bug linux"
[20:43] <adiroiban> Hi. Do you know how I should report upstream a VIM ?
[20:43] <adiroiban> ah... found it.
[20:43] <MsMaco> hi adiroiban
[20:44] <tanath> mcas, not sure i'll be able to run it
[20:44] <tanath> oops
[20:44] <tanath> meant MsMaco
[20:44] <adiroiban> it looks like the project is vimonline
[20:44] <MsMaco> tanath: that reports the bug to launchpad.net
[20:44] <tanath> i know
[20:44] <tanath> i mean, if i run it, there's a good chance it'll freeze again
[20:46] <tanath> MsMaco, many apps seems to cause it to freeze (sometimes immediately, sometimes not...)
[20:46] <tanath> particularly gnome apps
[20:46] <MsMaco> if you do it from a tty it wont launch any gui apps
[20:47] <tanath> that's not true
[20:47] <tanath> i just did, and it ran apport
[20:47] <tanath> and now won't let me cancel
[20:47] <MsMaco> hmm?
[20:47] <MsMaco> wait did you do that from a terminal inside X?
[20:47] <MsMaco> or did you do it from ctrl+alt+f1?
[20:47] <tanath> well, yeah
[20:48] <MsMaco> because from a tty it should say "hey, i'm not running inside X, so i'll use apport-cli..."
[20:48] <tanath> yeah, it did. it should do the same in a terminal too >.<
[20:48] <tanath> well, that's debatable. nvm
[20:49] <tanath> was annoying that it ignored my persistent clicking of the cancel button though >.<
[20:49] <MsMaco> yeah....
[20:50] <tanath> um, vty one says it'll open a web browser...
[20:50] <MsMaco> does it open w3m?
[20:51] <tanath> not sure that'll work from vty, but if it does, it'd prolly freeze the comp
[20:51] <tanath> not sure i want to find out. my default browser is chrome, and it frequently seems related to freezing
[20:52] <tanath> um, the file it wants to send is 173MB o.O
[20:52] <tanath> *report
[20:52] <MsMaco> w3m is a text based web browser
[20:53] <tanath> isn't that a bit much?
[20:53] <tanath> ah, i think my default text-based browser is elinks
[20:53] <MsMaco> sounds like it, yeah...
[20:53] <tanath> which i still don't like that much :P
[20:54] <tanath> 173.4mb
[20:54] <JanC> there is also a way to make a bug report and then upload it on another PC
[20:54] <tanath> oi
[20:54] <tanath> just this one :-/
[20:55] <tanath> why would it be so big?
[20:55] <tanath> that'll take some time to upload, and it might freeze before it finishes, tbh
[20:56] <tanath> i'm surprised it hasn't frozen yet TBH
[20:56] <JanC> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20when%20off-line
[20:57] <tanath> yeah, already chose keep
[20:58] <tanath> i was wondering if someone here might be able to help me narrow it down
[20:59] <tanath> i could do a better report if i knew where the problem was
[20:59] <JanC> run memtest overnight?  ;)
[21:02] <tanath> oi. i'd like to be able to use my comp sooner than that :P
[21:02] <tanath> but i've run memtest for a while before. i don't think the ram is the issue
[21:13] <tanath> aw hell
[21:13] <tanath> 'something went wrong in launchpad'
[21:18] <tanath> i can't file my bug report
[21:18] <tanath> it keeps saying something went wrong
[21:19] <tanath> mm, trying the redirect disable
[21:19] <tanath> there we go
[21:50] <mlourenco> 9.10 Samba bug - invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed....can anyone help?
[21:51] <mlourenco> error happens on the installation.
[23:01] <kklimonda> is there some bug related to upgrading kernel?
[23:01] <kklimonda> I've seen again problem which was related to running 2.6.28 kernel on 9.10 system
[23:02] <kklimonda> he has .31 installed but it didn't show up in his menu.lst
[23:36] <ikt> yeah I've seen that as well kklimonda


[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r101 trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs):
[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi: * The full URL does not fit in the dialog, only show the filename
[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi: * Avoid division by zero when calculating bittorrent download progress
[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi: * Remove partially downloaded files before attempting a new download
[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi: * Cache ISO md5 calculations to avoid recalculating the md5 for the
[00:13] <CIA-3> wubi:  same file (LP: 342250)
[00:20] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r102 trunk/debian/changelog: Rearranged changelog
[01:01] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1067 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu26
[01:32] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r103 trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Ensure that the local ISO path is stored upon successful download
[01:33] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1068 ubuntu/ (build/config/i386/netboot.cfg debian/changelog): Adjust netboot/386 inclusion to avoid breaking lpia.
[01:43] <xivulon> evand download manager should be ok in r103 both for bt and standard http
[01:43] <xivulon> hence I have updated isolist.ini (only for ubuntu.iso) to point to the beta
[01:48] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r104 trunk/ (data/isolist.ini debian/changelog): Point isolist.ini to beta release (only for Ubuntu ISO)
[02:06] <CIA-3> wubi: Agostino Russo * r105 trunk/ (data/isolist.ini debian/changelog):
[02:06] <CIA-3> wubi: * Had the wrong URL for beta in isolist.ini (thanks Colin Watson!)
[02:06] <CIA-3> wubi: * Added beta URL for Kubuntu
[02:06] <CIA-3> wubi: * Fixed Kubuntu package name and URLs
[05:16] <NCommander> good $time all
[05:33] <TheMuso> Hey NCommander
[05:33] <NCommander> Hey TheMuso!
[05:33] <NCommander> TheMuso, how goes it?
[05:33] <TheMuso> NCommander: not too bad thanks. Yourself?
[05:33] <NCommander> TheMuso, beating on the installer on a64 and ARM
[05:33] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:34] <TheMuso> anyway, I'
[05:34] <NCommander> Reading the PS3 forums, seems the jaunty installer works
[05:34] <TheMuso> yeah
[05:34] <TheMuso> i'm about to run actually
[05:34] <NCommander> TheMuso, cya later
[07:06] <laxmi> hello
[07:06] <laxmi> I need some help
[07:08] <NCommander> Anyone around who can merge a d-i branch (to fix ia64; its been test built)
[07:08] <laxmi> all r busy?
[07:09] <NCommander> laxmi, just ask your question.
[07:09] <laxmi> I could not compile srilm in Ubuntu 8.4
[07:09] <laxmi> language modeling toolkit
[07:10] <NCommander> laxmi, wrong channel, this is for the devleopment of the Ubuntu installer, I recommend you try #ubuntu
[07:11] <laxmi> ok
[09:35] <cjwatson> NCommander: would be happy to, but neither lp:~mcasadevall/debian-installer/ia64-fix nor lp:~mcasadevall/debian-installer/ia64-correction shows up as having been pushed to yet, and besides I don't know which one to merge :-)
[09:36] <NCommander> cjwatson, I'm having issues pushing
[09:36] <NCommander> Lots of them
[09:36] <NCommander> Want a diff instead?
[09:36] <davmor2> Morning guys I'm having an issue with unr.  On the installer just before the partitioning section I get a little popup telling me that /dev/sdb is mount and needs to be unmounted.  The options I have on the box are go back and continue.  Clicking on continue loops back to the same dialogue and clicking on go back continues the install.  This is a bit confusing to say the least.
[09:37] <cjwatson> NCommander: sure
[09:38] <NCommander> cjwatson, its been happily test built :-)
[09:40] <NCommander> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/133527/
[09:41] <evand> davmor2: what's /dev/sdb* mounted to, and why can it not be unmounted (do you have a shell open in the mountpoint)?
[09:42] <NCommander> cjwatson, I have no idea what's going on with sparc; I think something gone horribly horribly wrong with its kernel though ...
[09:42] <cjwatson> or it could be that the format has changed and it's no longer something you can validly un-gzip
[09:42] <NCommander> The SPARC kernel hasn't been tested at all since the last ports rebase
[09:43] <NCommander> ... probably hasn't been tested since Hardy.
[09:43] <cjwatson> come to that, i386 kernels aren't gunzippable
[09:44] <NCommander> I don't think its something fixable without a SPARC box someone can restart infront of them, one to test the kernel, and one to figure out how to fix d-i
[09:45] <cjwatson> ok, applying ia64 patch, thanks for that
[09:45] <davmor2> evand: it's the os it's netbook remix so it has jaunty unr on it
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1069 ubuntu/ (build/config/ia64.cfg debian/changelog): (log message trimmed)
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer: * Fixed ia64 d-i builds by bumping image size
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer:  - The build failure "Disk Full" was caused by the last linux-ports
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer:  kernel upload due to the size of the kernel growing. d-i on ia64
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer:  makes a large "floppy" disk image of a specified size (this was 16MB
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer:  before hand). The new kernel plus the RAMdisk came out to be 17.1MB,
[09:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer:  causing the failure. The new size is 18MB to give the kernel some
[09:46] <davmor2> evand: Let me go and get it and start the install over and I'll tell you exactly what is said
[09:46]  * NCommander wonders if he was a little too --verbose on the changelog
[09:47] <evand> davmor2: I understand what it said, but there's a partition mounted that it cannot do anything about and I'm more curious about that
[09:47] <NCommander> cjwatson, is it possible to cross-build d-i (i.e. debuild -B -aarmel?)
[09:47] <NCommander> cjwatson, it looks like there is some support, but it failed to get build-deps ...
[09:52] <davmor2> evand: /dev/sdb is the usb stick with unr on.  The reason it can't unmount is the same reason you can't eject the cd while run live session I'm guessing
[09:52] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, sorry, internet hiccuped, I didn't see your reply (if any)
[09:52] <cjwatson> NCommander: no
[09:52] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, that's what I thought, thanks :-/
[09:52] <evand> davmor2: ok, so the only problem then is the labeling of the buttons I suppose.
[09:52] <cjwatson> I'm not sure whether it's a fundamental limitation or not. You'd certainly have to do some messy fiddling with apt
[09:53] <evand> "go back" is what you want to press, it's just not clear given the text
[09:53] <davmor2> evand: call go back ignore and it makes more sense
[09:53] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, No doubt. if only for ports.u.c/*.archive.u.c
[09:54] <evand> I'd really prefer it say "yes" and "no".
[09:54] <evand> "go back and ignore" implies that you're going back a step
[09:54] <davmor2> evand: then you need to word the text in the box as a question
[09:54] <evand> when you're actually just continuing
[09:54] <evand> it is...
[09:55] <evand>  The installer has detected that the following disks have mounted partitions:
[09:55] <evand>  .
[09:55] <evand>  ${DISKS}
[09:55] <evand>  .
[09:55] <evand>  Do you want the installer to try to unmount the partitions on these disks
[09:55] <evand>  before continuing?  If not, the installation will continue and the disks will
[09:55] <evand>  not be available as installation targets.
[09:55] <davmor2> evand: Yes sorry it's me read the last line and not the one before it :)
[09:56] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: no, I didn't mean that, I meant for cross-installation of packages
[09:57] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, oh ... yeah ... that would be an issue :-/
[09:57]  * mcasadevall is just getting his feet wet with d-i hacking
[09:57] <evand> probably a bit screwed here though, as I might be killed for uploading with new strings to be translated if I fix this.
[09:57] <cjwatson> evand: "go back" should imply "go back to the partitioner", no?
[09:58] <evand> cjwatson: sure, though either way it's not appropriate here.
[10:02] <evand> and unfortunately there isn't an existing string in ubiquity that is, as far as I can tell. :/
[10:05] <cjwatson> evand: from the behaviour davmor2 described above, shouldn't the buttons just be reversed?
[10:05] <cjwatson> if continue goes back and go back continues ...
[10:05] <cjwatson> oh, well, continue retries I suppose
[10:05] <evand> indeed
[10:05] <cjwatson> can't you get Yes and No from GTK?
[10:06] <evand> ah, duh.
[10:06] <evand> thanks
[10:06] <cjwatson> debian/imported-po/Makefile has runes for getting GTK translations into debconf
[10:06] <cjwatson> you just need to edit ubiquity.templates-imported appropriately
[10:07] <cjwatson> we should refresh those translations anyway
[10:09] <evand> ok
[10:28] <cjwatson> evand: can you look at bug 325958?
[10:30] <evand> will do
[10:42] <evand> hrm, msgmerge seems to be failing me here.
[10:42]  * evand digs
[10:53] <evand> ah, "Yes" is marked fuzzy.
[10:57] <evand> cjwatson: any objection to me removing --no-fuzzy from the arguments to msgattrib in imported-po/Makefile?
[10:57] <evand> A few other imported translations have also been marked fuzzy.
[10:57] <cjwatson> evand: I don't see the point. If it's fuzzy in GTK, we don't want it
[10:58] <evand> hrm, ok
[10:58] <cjwatson> the msgid for Yes in GTK is actually "_Yes"
[10:58] <cjwatson> you aren't running into that, are you?
[10:58] <cjwatson> likewise "_No"
[10:59] <cjwatson> (translations marked fuzzy aren't used, anyway)
[11:17] <juliux> hi
[11:17] <juliux> is is possible to get the log from the debian installer to an other host?
[11:17] <juliux> i mean the things which are displayed during the installation on the F4 terminal
[11:18] <cjwatson> juliux: yes, two ways
[11:18] <cjwatson> juliux: either go back to the main menu and select "save debug logs", from which you have various options including turning the installer into a temporary web server
[11:18] <cjwatson> juliux: or switch to alt-f2, enter 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb', and then you can use scp
[11:19] <juliux> thxs
[11:19] <juliux> but it isn't possible to do that via a boot option or with a preseed.cfg?
[11:19] <cjwatson> no
[11:19] <juliux> i want to do that automaticly
[11:19] <cjwatson> well, you could do it in a preseed/late_command
[11:20] <cjwatson> assuming you can deal with scp authentication somehow
[11:20] <juliux> ok
[11:20] <evand> cjwatson: I don't think so.  This is what I'm starting with: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/133565/
[11:20] <cjwatson> 'd-i anna/choose_modules multiselect openssh-client-udeb' will get scp installed early on, and then you can use it from late_command
[11:21] <cjwatson> evand: ok, not seeing why that would be fuzzy. All languages or just some?
[11:23] <evand> most of the "_Yes" strings are marked as fuzzy in GTK.
[11:23] <evand> at least from what I can tell looking at the gtk source package using grep -B 1 "_Yes" po/*
[11:24] <evand> apologies for not fully understanding fuzzy before, I'm still slowly trying to wrap my head around gettext.
[11:29] <cjwatson> looks like crap translations; check that it's ok in de and fr
[11:31] <evand> Unfortunately not:
[11:31] <evand> evan@bunny:/tmp/gtk+2.0-2.16.0/po$ grep -B 1 _Yes {de,fr}.po
[11:31] <evand> de.po-#, fuzzy
[11:31] <evand> de.po:msgid "_Yes"
[11:31] <evand> --
[11:31] <evand> fr.po-#, fuzzy
[11:31] <evand> fr.po:msgid "_Yes"
[11:38]  * cjwatson tries
[11:39] <cjwatson> but, um, that doesn't match the gtk+2.0 tree I have here
[11:39] <cjwatson> if nothing else, mine has msgctxt lines too
[11:39] <evand> hrm.
[11:39] <cjwatson> #: gtk/gtkstock.c:409
[11:39] <cjwatson> msgctxt "Stock label"
[11:39] <cjwatson> msgid "_Yes"
[11:39] <cjwatson> msgstr "_Ja"
[11:40] <cjwatson> though it does seem to show up as fuzzy here, hmm
[11:40] <cjwatson> maybe it's precisely due to the contexts
[11:47] <cjwatson> yeah, it's the lack of msgctxt lines in the .pot generated by po-debconf
[11:48]  * cjwatson pokes
[11:56] <cjwatson> got it, I think
[11:57] <evand> nice
[11:57]  * mcasadevall has the start of the iMX51 d-i port :-)
[11:58] <mcasadevall> I'm in a good mood now
[12:02] <cjwatson> evand: a number of translations do disappear, though - I think they haven't been brought up to date for the new context system
[12:03] <thekorn> I don't know if you are working on bug 325958, but I think I understand why this happens, the timezone widget and the partition widget are requesting a minimum size
[12:05] <thekorn> and the body of all other views is using the same size as a minimum, this also explains why the border around the first step is bigger than 16px
[12:05] <evand> ah, I bet the timezone widget is requesting too large a minimum size.  I was concerned with losing accuracy for the aspect ratio by making it too small (as we're dealing with a fair number of problems with accurate representation on the map), but if I have to change it, so be it
[12:05] <cjwatson> evand: we've lost some translations due to that, but no worse than GTK itself, AFAICT; we'll need to remember to update from 2.16.1 when it's released
[12:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3115 ubiquity/ (73 files in 3 dirs):
[12:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Update for new message context system in GTK+ 2.15.1, and update
[12:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: imported translations from gtk+2.0 2.16.0-1ubuntu2.
[12:06] <evand> cjwatson: ok, will do.  Thanks a bunch for your help with that.
[12:06] <cjwatson> note moderately foul hack in debian/imported-po/add-contexts
[12:13] <evand> heh, indeed
[12:28] <evand> ever so slightly concerned about a separate home option being in this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2009/Ideas
[12:28] <evand> wasn't the consensus that this is a bad idea as we cannot make a reasonable guess
[12:29] <cjwatson> sigh, it's impossible to reject ideas
[12:29] <cjwatson> they just keep coming back
[12:30] <cjwatson> I'll talk to jorge
[12:30] <evand> ok
[12:30] <evand> thanks
[12:37] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3116 ubiquity/ (45 files in 3 dirs): Make the partman/unmount_active dialog a yes or no question.
[12:59] <NCommander> cjwatson, I'm working on adding imx51 to d-i, but I ran into a snag. WHile I can build netboot initramfs's, I can't build cdrom ones. I'm going to hazard a guess and say armel lacks the necessary code to do it (arm has it). Any ideas on how to extend d-i to build an armel cdrom image?
[13:00] <cjwatson> should be just like the other architectures. what's the failure?
[13:00] <NCommander> cjwatson, make build_imx51_cdrom does nothing. I see it in the list of targets however.
[13:00] <cjwatson> I mean, you need to write a configuration file obviously
[13:01] <cjwatson> have a look at other cdrom.cfg files
[13:01] <cjwatson> and see build/README to understand the build system
[13:01] <NCommander> Oh
[13:01] <NCommander> Thanks
[13:02] <NCommander> No, I'm an idiot, I forgot to add a cdrom.cfg file :-/
[13:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3117 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Sort the list of regions on the timezone page (LP: #344334).
[14:43] <juliux> evand: i just read your log from openweek regarding to ubuntu unattended installation and howto create a pressed.cfg, is there some more to read? perhaps some troubleshooting pages?
[14:45] <evand> juliux: There's the installation guide (apt-get install installation-guide-i386; firefox /usr/share/doc/installation-guide-i386/en/index.html)
[14:45] <evand> what problem are you having?
[14:46] <juliux> if i restart my installed system and press any key on my keyboard i only get some cryptic symbols
[14:46] <juliux> so i am unabled to log in
[14:46] <juliux> everything else is working well atm
[14:47] <cjwatson> I bet I know
[14:47] <cjwatson> boot in rescue mode and look in /etc/default/console-setup
[14:47] <cjwatson> also, show us your preseed file, whose keyboard configuration I bet is wrong :-)
[14:47] <juliux> mom
[14:47] <davmor2> evand: kubuntu is still using grey for new system
[14:48] <evand> davmor2: ok
[14:48] <cjwatson> see also bug 328078
[14:48] <evand> shtylman: ^ Would you mind taking a look at that?
[14:48] <juliux> cjwatson: http://ubuntu.juliux.de/preseed.cfg that is my preseed.cfg
[14:48] <juliux> cjwatson: i get some errors during the installtion regarding to console-setup
[14:48] <cjwatson> juliux: what is your kernel command line?
[14:49] <davmor2> evand: I know it's not the end of the world but it still looks wrong :)
[14:49] <evand> sure
[14:49] <juliux> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/394511/
[14:49] <cjwatson> annoying noise but not relevant
[14:49] <juliux> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/394512/
[14:50] <cjwatson> juliux: seems to be cut off at "console-"
[14:50] <cjwatson> just paste the "append" line here
[14:51] <juliux> append tasks=standard vga=normal pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false initrd=ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz locale=en_GB console-setup/layoutcode=en_GB netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth1 netcfg/get_hostname=ubuntu preseed/url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/preseed.cfg --
[14:51] <cjwatson> that's not a valid layoutcode
[14:51] <cjwatson> en_GB is a locale not a keyboard layout
[14:51] <cjwatson> console-setup/layoutcode=gb
[14:51] <juliux> ahh
[14:52] <juliux> so for germany it would be just de?
[14:52] <cjwatson> ideally console-setup would throw a visible error about this ...
[14:52] <cjwatson> right
[14:52] <cjwatson> (as in your preseed file)
[14:52] <cjwatson> it's the same as the X keyboard layout names
[14:53] <juliux> thxs
[14:53] <juliux> i will give it a try
[14:57]  * mcasadevall sighs
[14:57] <mcasadevall> Is the cdrom d-i type supposed to generate a ramdisk?
[15:01] <juliux> cjwatson: thxs, that was my mistake
[15:06] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: yes
[15:07]  * mcasadevall found that out, it failed to build because I'm an idiot :-)
[15:07] <mcasadevall> now I need to find the one thing I never have in my apartment; a blank CD ...
[15:22] <shtylman> evand: will do
[15:24] <evand> thanks
[15:45] <juliux> evand: cjwatson thank you very much, it is working well now
[15:45] <cjwatson> excellent
[15:45] <juliux> i will write something in german about it;)
[15:52] <davmor2> evand: you know the yes no for the partition unmount earlier can the same be done for password to weak dialogue?
[15:53] <evand> davmor2: I don't think it would make sense in that context
[15:53] <evand> as it's not a yes or no question
[15:53] <evand> oh, I guess it sort of is, given the title
[15:53] <davmor2> evand: true I just re-read the question :)
[15:53] <evand> but I'm still not convinced
[15:53] <evand> ok
[15:55] <davmor2> evand: I think the trouble is when your used to seeing it you abbreviate what it says rather than actually reading it :)  So the dialogue becomes use weak password :)
[15:57] <evand> so regarding the ubiquity window being 546px tall, it's being caused by the user setup page
[15:57] <evand> which we discussed at the sprint, but it had since fallen out of my head
[15:57] <evand> unfortunately I don't think there's much we can do there
[15:57] <evand> we're already using up most of the space
[15:58] <evand> other than the obvious packing it in a scrolled window
[15:58] <evand> davmor2: heh
[15:59] <evand> or perhaps some slight violations of the HIG
[15:59] <evand> that wont bring us anywhere near 400px though
[16:00] <evand> err nevermind on that last point, I now see that the bug report says 600px
[16:05] <evand> I've updated the bug with my thoughts
[16:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: evand: has the live system gone back a few days or something?   Only ubiquity just crashed on 64live with the NameError in remove_extra that I thought got fixed?
[16:17] <davmor2> Oh yes boat loads of updates
[16:17] <davmor2> :)
[16:23] <evand> davmor2: what's the output of ubiquity --version?
[16:23] <davmor2> 1.11.17
[16:24] <davmor2> there is a ubiquity update in the repos along with 256mb of others
[16:25] <cjwatson> I can't think of anything that would cause the livefs to ever go backwards
[16:27] <davmor2> cjwatson: it might not of I've not tested 64bit for a few days so the fix is in 32bit.  But looking at the manifest 64bit is 16th and 32bit is the 17th
[16:28] <evand> davmor2: are you sure you're not accidentally using the wrong CD?
[16:28] <davmor2> evand: I've only got single images of each that are rsynced daily
[16:28] <cjwatson> maybe it's just a livefs build failure
[16:28] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/
[16:29] <cjwatson>   brasero: Conflicts: nautilus-cd-burner but 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:30] <davmor2> cjwatson: yes 32bit 17th 64bit 16th
[16:30] <cjwatson>   libbrasero-media0: Conflicts: nautilus-cd-burner but 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:32] <davmor2> :(
[16:33] <mcasadevall> hey cjwatson, when you get a few minutes, I have a couple of d-i questions I'd like to ask. I've managed to get the cdrom image to start. But there is no subarchitecture defined according to log causing the installation to fail
[16:33] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: I imagine libdebian-installer needs to be educated
[16:33] <mcasadevall> Oh fun.
[16:34] <mcasadevall> Secondly, how does cdrom-detector probe for the CD-ROM drive, it failed to detect it; I had to manually mount my pendisk /dev/cdrom
[16:34] <cjwatson> see list-devices in debian-installer-utils, which monkeys about in /sys/block
[16:35] <cjwatson> davmor2: diagnosed on #ubuntu-devel, seb128 said he'll fix it
[16:35] <mcasadevall> /sys/block?
[16:35] <mcasadevall> Oh
[16:36]  * mcasadevall bets that missing from the kernel
[16:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: Sweet! any chance of a re-spin once it's fixed or will this be a test it tomorrow issue?
[16:38] <cjwatson> davmor2: test it tomorrow at this point I think
[16:38] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: *blink* really?
[16:38] <cjwatson> that's a lame kernel you've got there :)
[16:38] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's
[16:39] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, a lot of things you'd except were missing in version one
[16:39] <mcasadevall> Like USB support compiled in on an SoC with only USB ports to access HIDs :-)
[16:39] <mcasadevall> er, compiled as a module
[16:40] <cjwatson> right, but sysfs is pretty vital nowadays to EVERYTHING
[16:42] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, no, I think its just /sys/block thats MIA, but I'll have a more indepth look
[16:42] <mcasadevall> ... *sighs*
[16:42] <mcasadevall> I can't use a stacked branch it seems ...
[16:42] <mcasadevall> bzr: ERROR: RemoteRepository(bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ecjwatson/debian-installer/main/.bzr/)
[16:42] <mcasadevall> is not compatible with
[16:42] <mcasadevall> KnitPackRepository('bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emcasadevall/debian-installer/imx51-support/.bzr/repository/')
[16:42] <mcasadevall> :-P
[16:43] <cjwatson> the d-i branch is awkward due to bzr-svn I'm afraid
[16:43] <cjwatson> not very much I can do about that in practical terms until they unify the formats
[16:43]  * mcasadevall never had an issue with stacked branches and bzr-svn
[16:44] <cjwatson> you might be able to use 'bzr init-repo --1.6.1-rich-root' or something
[16:44] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, this repo was made bzr pull .
[16:44] <mcasadevall> well, its pushing
[16:44] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, don't know. ask #bzr?
[16:44] <mcasadevall> Probably finish in a week.
[17:43] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, so seemingly the reason stacking does not work with d-i is because the development focus is on the SVN branch. Changing the focus to the ~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu would fix the stacking, ergo, pushes would take seconds vs. hours
[17:44] <cjwatson> mm, right, but that would be wrong since it isn't the upstream development branch
[17:44] <cjwatson> can't you nominate a stacking branch rather than using the default?
[17:44] <mcasadevall> not when using launchpad.
[17:44] <cjwatson> I think this is an LP bug
[17:44] <cjwatson> it should be possible to have more than one level of stacking
[17:45] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, its an LP bug, bazaar supports this just file.
[17:45] <cjwatson> I don't want to declare the Ubuntu branch to be lp:debian-installer - it simply isn't
[17:45] <mcasadevall> No, that I get
[17:45] <cjwatson> so sorry, it'll just have to take time :( or you can send patches
[17:45] <mcasadevall> what's the bzr equivelent of git format-patches?
[17:45] <mcasadevall> :-)
[17:45] <cjwatson> bzr send
[17:45]  * mcasadevall has an incredibly pathetic upstream pipe
[17:46] <mcasadevall> Like, it makes the Berlin sprint look fast in comparsion ...
[17:47] <cjwatson> I have 448kbps up, on paper. In practice I don't think I get that
[17:47] <cjwatson> (kilobits, not kilobytes)
[17:47] <mcasadevall> You win.
[17:47] <mcasadevall> 368kilobits
[17:47] <cjwatson> still, same order
[17:47] <mcasadevall> cjwatson, yeah, but your physically closer to the DC :-)
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper: TheMuso * r595 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper: * scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility && ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility:
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper:  - When the blindness accessibility profile is chosen, create the .orca
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper:  directory in the live user's home directory. This seems to allow orca
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper:  to properly reload and use settings in the live session without needing
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper:  to be restarted. This is only needed for the blindness profile, due to
[21:36] <CIA-3> casper:  the other profiles that use orca already creating the .orca directory.
[21:37] <CIA-3> casper: TheMuso * r596 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.165