[06:11] <elyon> DaSkreech: Pretty new to Linux.  In the /home folders, are the applications actually INSTALLED there or are those all just settings information?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Just settings
[06:11] <DaSkreech> If you reinstall the applicaitons it will take the info from those folders
[06:13] <elyon> DaSkreech: Gotcha.. thank you.  I obviously come from Windows where you're able to select where applications are installed but with Linux it seems to be pretty random (/usr, /etc, /var)... who knows where stuff goes.
[06:13] <mikey_la> when i insert a cd, it does not mount, no cdrom icon is on the desktop
[06:14] <adamwest> HURRAY I'M DONE COPEYING
[06:14] <DaSkreech> !fhs | elyon This may help
[06:14] <ubotwo> elyon This may help: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:14] <DaSkreech> mikey_la: mount it manually
[06:14] <elyon> DaSkreech: Ah, I'll definitely take a look.  Thank you!
[06:15] <adamwest> what other folder was i supposed to copy?
[06:15] <mikey_la> DaSkreech: it used to mount automaticly
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Might be a dirty unmount
[06:15] <intelikey>  /home
[06:15] <adamwest> oh right. same copy -a?
[06:15] <intelikey> and /opt   yes same
[06:16] <adamwest> copying.
[06:17] <adamwest> btw thanks for all this, intelikey :)
[06:17] <adamwest> ok done with copying.
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/proc
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/sys
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/media
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/tmp
[06:18] <intelikey> chmod 1777 $MOUNTPOINT/tmp
[06:18] <adamwest> what does the last one mean
[06:18] <intelikey> i'm scripting this as we speek.
[06:19] <intelikey> makes the new tmp folder sticky   needed.
[06:19] <adamwest> ok
[06:19] <InuDuelist> Whoa, intelikey's still around.
[06:19] <intelikey> InuDuelist yeah
[06:19] <adamwest> ok dome:)
[06:19] <adamwest> done
[06:20] <InuDuelist> Hey intelikey, could you help me out with something, for old times' sake? :P
[06:20] <intelikey> on this one be sure that you put /media/hda   for both $MOUNTPOINT 's   k
[06:20] <intelikey> sed 's_.* / _$DEVICE / _' $MOUNTPOINT/etc/fstab > $MOUNTPOINT/etc/fstab
[06:20] <intelikey> that's one line   ^
[06:21] <intelikey> excuse me the DEVICE is /dev/hda2   on that
[06:21] <intelikey> mountpoint is /media/hda
[06:21] <adamwest> was just about to ask :)
[06:22] <intelikey> after you do that one do     cat /media/hda/etc/fstab    just to make sure  it didn't blank it.
[06:22] <adamwest> so that's ---->  sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /media/hda/etc/fstab > /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:22] <intelikey> yes.
[06:22] <adamwest> gr8
[06:23] <adamwest> ... permission denied :|
[06:23] <intelikey> sudo cat
[06:23] <adamwest> oh ok
[06:23] <adamwest> same error.
[06:23] <InuDuelist> intelikey: check your queries, if you could.
[06:24] <intelikey> hmmm ok,   let me hit that again.                                                                                sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /etc/fstab | tee /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:25] <adamwest> with cat?
[06:25] <intelikey> i'll have to ammend my script too.      copy and paste that   ^
[06:26] <intelikey> i forgot that sudo > doesn't have but user access....
[06:26] <intelikey> InuDuelist what you need ?
[06:26] <adamwest> is this output ok?
[06:26] <adamwest> hmm i dont wanna get banned sec
[06:26] <InuDuelist> I'm having trouble with compiling a source.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Something I could have handled a few months back, when I was last around.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> :/
[06:27] <intelikey> adamwest only the line with ' / ' in it is important  the rest is stock.
[06:27] <adamwest> what's "tee: /media/hda/etc/fstab: Permission denied" about?
[06:27] <intelikey> InuDuelist you have build-essential installed ?
[06:28] <intelikey> sudo tee   in that line.    seems   that | only carries user perms too.
[06:28] <intelikey>  sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /etc/fstab | sudo tee /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:29] <adamwest> ok tnx
[06:29] <adamwest> hurray no errors :)
[06:29] <intelikey> redirrecting the output is the hardest part of this...   heh
[06:29] <intelikey> ok.   let see about grub.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> intelikey: I do now. >_>
[06:29] <InuDuelist> Lemme check if that fixed it.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> Gawd, and to think I was giving advice in here five months ago.
[06:31] <slyfox> Hi
[06:31] <InuDuelist> Hello.
[06:31] <intelikey> adamwest sudo nano /media/hda/boot/grub/menu.lst    look for "root=*"  and make it say  "root=/dev/hda2"    the first line that has root  and doesn't start with #
[06:31] <slyfox> I am a Linux noob. I have searched the forums and found tons of guides on how to Install The Eye Candy XGL, all of them are different is there one GOOD and Simple guide to isntall 3d Desktop on Kubuntu ?
[06:32] <adamwest> intelikey, that's empty :\
[06:32] <intelikey> adamwest ?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> slyfox: Likely no :)
[06:32] <InuDuelist> slyfox: Doubt it.
[06:32] <adamwest> i see no text in there.
[06:32] <intelikey> oh  hehhe your're right  we didn't copy /boot   lol
[06:32] <DaSkreech> slyfox: ask in #ubuntu-xgl for the way for you :)
[06:32] <intelikey> oooops   my bad.
[06:32] <adamwest> lol
[06:32] <adamwest> no biggie
[06:32] <adamwest> copy /boot in same way?
[06:32] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That fixed some of it, but I'm stuck at another problem.
[06:32] <slyfox> So 3D Desktop is not ready yet for mainstream users to use>? Only for "geeks" ?
[06:32] <intelikey> so cp -a     yep
[06:33] <adamwest> copying.
[06:33] <intelikey> InuDuelist error message ?
[06:33] <adamwest> copied
[06:33] <InuDuelist> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I've fixed this before.
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I hate forgetting things.
[06:33] <adamwest> ok now i see content.
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I feel so... like, new.
[06:33] <intelikey> libxorgdev  or some such
[06:33] <elyon> Has anyone here ever used Linspire?  I'm interested in putting it on my mother's computer (she knows basically NOTHING about computers and is used to Windows).  Is it truly as easy to use as the website claims it to be?   Normal Ubuntu.
[06:34] <slyfox> Or install PCLinuxOS - very easy
[06:34] <intelikey> InuDuelist  libxorgdev  or some such
[06:34] <InuDuelist> Oh, thanks.
[06:34] <InuDuelist> Lemme see.
[06:34] <DaSkreech> elyon: Grab Freespire and try it out
[06:34] <adamwest> ok i checked. it says root=/dev/hda2
[06:35] <elyon> InuDuelist: That's what she's using right now.. gnome.  Linspire seems to be a bit more geared toward the computer know-nothings ;)
[06:35] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That ain't it. :P
[06:35] <intelikey> xorg-dev - the X.Org development libraries
[06:35] <intelikey> xserver-xorg-dev - X.Org X server -- development files
[06:35] <adamwest> wait
[06:35] <elyon> InuDuelist: And Ubuntu took me WEEKS to get stable (which it still isn't)
[06:35] <adamwest> it does start with #.
[06:35] <intelikey> ok that is correct.
[06:35] <InuDuelist> elyon: Then go for the longshot and giver her Linspire.
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Also, stable and working are two different things. ;)
[06:36] <slyfox> Get PClinuxOS or Kubuntu,
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Not Kubuntu.
[06:36] <intelikey> says kernel /boot/vmlinuz* root=/dev/hda2    adamwest ?
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Give her Gnome, more stable.
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Less... of a chance to kill herself.
[06:37] <slyfox> Kubuntu is as stable as Gnome
[06:37] <slyfox> Kubuntu looks better for those who are coming from Windows.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Lemme get those installed, I'll tell you if it's fixed.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> Bull.
[06:37] <elyon> Well, I've been having a big problem with Ubuntu in general...a problem she wouldn't be able to handle.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> Such as?
[06:37] <elyon> *I* can't even fix it, but I've been using a workaround.
[06:38] <InuDuelist> What's the problem?
[06:38] <InuDuelist> I might still remember enough to be able to fix.
[06:38] <elyon> InuDuelist: My entire system locks up nearly every time a user logs off.
[06:38] <InuDuelist> ...
[06:38] <adamwest> sorry intelikey, didn't scroll down :D
[06:38] <slyfox> that is a driver issue
[06:38] <InuDuelist> Well, I never encountered that problem.
[06:38] <slyfox> I had that
[06:38] <elyon> InuDuelist: Black screen, mouse frozen, can't use the keyboard to restart X or open a new terminal.
[06:38] <slyfox> do you ahve ATI ?
[06:38] <mcrandello> you using a radeon mobility with a cheap laptop?
[06:38] <adamwest> ill check that now intelikey
[06:38] <elyon> slyfox: Sadly, yes. :)
[06:38] <slyfox> Not a problem
[06:38] <elyon> mcrandello: Radeon 9600 on a desktop.
[06:38] <mcrandello> ah
[06:39] <slyfox> just follow the edgy guide and downlaod the driver from ATI site
[06:39] <InuDuelist> That should do it.
[06:39] <slyfox> and follow the guide to do instllation manualy
[06:39] <elyon> slyfox: I've done that so many times... no help.\
[06:39] <adamwest> intelikey the only time in the file where there's /dev/hda2 : # kernel        /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[06:39] <mcrandello> in my case I had to put noapic and pollirq in the menu.lst boot options
[06:39] <InuDuelist> elyon: Your mother's computer is different than yours though, right?
[06:39] <InuDuelist> So it should be a problem?
[06:39] <InuDuelist> shouldn't*
[06:39] <elyon> slyfox: I've tried the ATI drivers, fglrx, etc.
[06:39] <slyfox> elyon: I had that issue the first time I installed ATI driver using method 1 from the guide. then I used method 2 and did it myself and all works
[06:39] <elyon> InuDuelist: No... same computer, but I'm getting a new one.
[06:39] <intelikey> adamwest a line that 'DOES NOT!' start with #
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Ah.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Did you try reformatting the entire hard drive?
[06:40] <adamwest> as i said, THAT'S THE ONLY LINE THAT HAS /DEV/HDA2.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Maybe there was an error during install.
[06:40] <elyon> InuDuelist: A few times...I've tried a few different distros, reformatting/partitioning each time.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Hmm.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> This problem comes with each distro?
[06:40] <elyon> InuDuelist: Nope.  Just Ubuntu.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Huh.
[06:40] <intelikey> don't look for dev/  look for     kernel
[06:41] <slyfox> Get Kubuntu or PClinuxos
[06:41] <InuDuelist> Well, you could always get her a mac.
[06:41] <InuDuelist> Though, that'd be putting her into Apple's filthy hands.
[06:41] <elyon> slyfox: I have Ubuntu/Kubuntu...
[06:41] <elyon> InuDuelist: Oh, never! lol
[06:42] <intelikey> adamwest ?
[06:42] <adamwest> i have several lines that start with "kernal". what should it say?
[06:42] <slyfox> elyon: Actual Kubuntu or just a skin on top of Ubuntu ?
[06:42] <intelikey> ok the first one
[06:42] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[06:42] <InuDuelist> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:42] <InuDuelist> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[06:42] <elyon> slyfox: I installed Ubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop.  I was under the impression they were basically identical.
[06:42] <adamwest> intelikey kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=UUID=d5c1f31f-08fe-4117-b4de-0021c8b59a81 ro quiet splash
[06:43] <mcrandello> elyon: it's a long shot since everyone this bug affects seems to be a radeon m user but among other things lockups on logoff/shutdown was one of the major symptoms so maybe it's the same root problem...
[06:43] <InuDuelist> elyon:  NOOOO!
[06:43] <InuDuelist> I made that same mistake.
[06:43] <mcrandello> elyon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/41272
[06:43] <InuDuelist> That was the reason I came into this channel in the first place. >_>
[06:43] <intelikey> adamwest yes that one.   change  UUID=d5c1f31f-08fe-4117-b4de-0021c8b59a81  to /dev/hda2
[06:43] <InuDuelist> Because I didn't know how big a mistake I was making.
[06:43] <mcrandello> the problem being an irq conflict
[06:43] <adamwest> intelikey lol what does this long thing mean
[06:43] <elyon> InuDuelist: I thought the only difference was the Window Manager.
[06:43] <InuDuelist> No, no.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> You become unable to use Aptitude.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> It completely screws and removes half of the Gnome and half of the KDE files.
[06:44] <elyon> InuDuelist: I kind of like Adept, though, anyway.
[06:44] <slyfox> elyon: Get a clean intall of Kubuntu
[06:44] <adamwest> intelikey so now it says --kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash   --> is that ok?
[06:44] <intelikey> it's blkid  new approach to device identification.  i haven't switched to it yet....
[06:44] <elyon> ah.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> That's why you install KDE and/or Gnome seperately.
[06:44] <intelikey> adamwest yes
[06:44] <InuDuelist> Using apt-get install kde or apt-get install gnome .
[06:44] <mcrandello> that numberspam unique identifier caused me no end of problems earlier
[06:44] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[06:44] <adamwest> cool. so i save and close it? intelikey
[06:44] <elyon> InuDuelist: So if I do a clean install of Kubuntu, will I lose all my settings?  (I do have a separate /home partition)
[06:44] <intelikey> adamwest note the name of that one and save and exit it
[06:45] <InuDuelist> elyon: I need you to do something for me.
[06:45] <adamwest> name of what, file?
[06:45] <InuDuelist> Run sudo aptitude update
[06:45] <InuDuelist> Tell me what appears.
[06:45] <mcrandello> but at some point it after an upgrade/reinstall it crept back in and it seems to be working
[06:45] <InuDuelist> In a query, most likely.
[06:45] <intelikey> adamwest no the line just above the kernel line
[06:45] <elyon> InuDuelist: A LOT appeared :)
[06:45] <intelikey> should have a neme   if i remember grub correctly
[06:46] <adamwest> intelikey ---> root            (hd0,2) --> is above the kernal line.
[06:46] <InuDuelist> elyon: Give me the first five or six items in the "remove" section.
[06:46] <intelikey> ummm ok.
[06:46] <adamwest> oh you mean the title, intelikey -- title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386
[06:46] <intelikey> yes
[06:46] <matt0507> what is the linux equilvalance to window's Powerdvd for dvd playing?
[06:46] <adamwest> cool ill write it down
[06:46] <InuDuelist> intelikey: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist so install qt headers  or qt-dev or what ever..
[06:47] <InuDuelist> OK
[06:47] <InuDuelist> No packages.
[06:47] <InuDuelist> Lemme look around some more.
[06:47] <adamwest> how do i save a file there, intelikey
[06:48] <intelikey> you know how to search the packages    apt-cache search qt | grep dev
[06:48] <intelikey> @ InuDuelist ^
[06:48] <intelikey> adamwest the ^x      ?
[06:48] <adamwest> intelikey that's the exit... it saves? ok .
[06:48] <intelikey> yes it will ask
[06:48] <mcrandello> [00:46]  <InuDuelist> elyon: Give me the first five or six items in the "remove" section.
[06:49] <mcrandello> I think he was gone when you asked the first time InuDuelist
[06:49] <elyon> mcrandello: Huh?
[06:49] <adamwest> ok done.
[06:49] <mcrandello> InuDuelist: asked between you getting flooded and rejoining
[06:49] <InuDuelist> ...
[06:49] <InuDuelist> Oh, pfft.
[06:49] <mcrandello> wrong tab completion
[06:49] <InuDuelist> elyon: Could you tell me the first five or six items in the list to be removed?
[06:50] <InuDuelist> And in the list to be added?
[06:50] <intelikey> adamwest sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda
[06:50] <surgy> my ipod 2.0 will not mount can someone help me please?
[06:50] <elyon> InuDuelist: I'm sorry, not sure what you mean.  I don't see any add or remove sections in that.
[06:50] <intelikey> and you should be ready to reboot into the new system.
[06:50] <adamwest> applying, intelikey.
[06:50] <InuDuelist> In the sudo aptitude update menu.
[06:50] <adamwest> sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda
[06:50] <adamwest> ***sec
[06:50] <InuDuelist> You said there's a lot of things there, right?
[06:51] <adamwest> intelikey ok working
[06:51] <elyon> InuDuelist: Yeah.
[06:51] <adamwest> chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2 --> The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly
[06:51] <elyon> InuDuelist: I posted it to the query.. or did you not get that?
[06:51] <adamwest> intelikey^
[06:52] <intelikey> let me see if i have grub docs.
[06:52] <InuDuelist> I didn't get it.
[06:52] <adamwest> intelikey the sudo was there, didnt copy it.
[06:52] <InuDuelist> elyon: It doesn't matter, anyway. The list of things should be seperated into two sections. "To be removed" and "To be installed"
[06:53] <elyon> InuDuelist: Are you talking about aptitude update?  Because all it did was run through the list of repositories.
[06:53] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[06:53] <intelikey> oh adamwest you can    sudo update-grub     it might add a new entry in the existing grub for the other system.
[06:53] <InuDuelist> Oh, duh.
[06:53] <elyon> InuDuelist: It seemed to run just fine
[06:53] <adamwest> intelikey ok ill update, run the prev line again and report :)
[06:54] <adamwest> nope. still same error, intelikey
[06:54] <InuDuelist> Hm.
[06:55] <intelikey> adamwest no not repete.  if the update adds an entry just reboot into the new system.
[06:55] <adamwest> so now i should reboot the comp and itll be in the new system?
[06:56] <intelikey> if you reboot look in the boot menu for an entry that is not the default   should say something about where the system is.
[06:56] <InuDuelist> elyon: Well, then you might not have a problem. But to be safe and avoid running into "the problem" later, I'd freshly install either Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
[06:56] <intelikey> boot the (hd0,1) entry
[06:57] <elyon> InuDuelist: And then NOT install gnome?
[06:57] <InuDuelist> Don't install either.
[06:57] <adamwest> sweet! thanks intelikey, i'll be back with hopefully the new system working :) bbs
[06:57] <InuDuelist> if you install Kubuntu, don't install ubuntu-desktop.
[06:57] <InuDuelist> And vice versa.
[06:57] <intelikey> adamwest you can grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:57] <adamwest> what intelikey?
[06:57] <intelikey> just to make sure it's there.
[06:58] <intelikey> before you hit the reset    :)
[06:58] <intelikey> grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:58] <adamwest> write that in the terminal? sec
[06:58] <intelikey> yes
[06:58] <adamwest> sweet --> grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:58] <adamwest> oof sec
[06:58] <adamwest> ---> # root          (hd0,1)
[06:58] <adamwest> SWEET ^_^
[06:59] <intelikey> we hope it spits out more data  than that.
[06:59] <adamwest> ? what do you mean
[06:59] <intelikey> is that all it said ?
[06:59] <adamwest> umm yeah
[06:59] <adamwest> .. is that not good? :(
[06:59] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:59] <InuDuelist> Hi soulrider.
[07:00] <intelikey> well no.      sudo grub-install (hd0)
[07:00] <intelikey> and run that grep string again
[07:00] <soulrider> hi InuDuelist, hi intelikey
[07:00] <intelikey> soulrider
[07:00] <adamwest> it wont let me do brackets "("
[07:00] <intelikey> well no.      sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[07:00] <adamwest> oh ok
[07:00] <soulrider> im tyring to get Simcity 2000 to work on linux :P
[07:01] <adamwest> hda2 you mean
[07:01] <InuDuelist> WTF?
[07:01] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[07:01] <InuDuelist> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:01] <InuDuelist> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:01] <InuDuelist> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:01] <intelikey> adamwest question.   do you have windows installed also ?
[07:01] <adamwest> nope. but i have another working computer.
[07:01] <intelikey> then no. just like i said it.  sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[07:02] <bARTIST> hi!
[07:02] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Did you see that?
[07:02] <dwidmann> export $KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde3
[07:02] <dwidmann> rm $
[07:02] <bARTIST> i would like to have infos about the partitions of my disk
[07:02] <intelikey> InuDuelist kde-dev
[07:02] <adamwest> ok now i do what again? the 'grep hd00 stuff?
[07:03] <intelikey> yep
[07:03] <intelikey> InuDuelist
[07:03] <intelikey> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[07:03] <intelikey> kde-devel-extras - extra development applications for use with KDE
[07:03] <dwidmann> kde-devel also comes with a load of other things, if all you want to do is compile a single package, that's overkill
[07:03] <adamwest> same one line. umm before i shouldve done sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda, instead of sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2 ?
[07:04] <adamwest> rephrase that, should've i done "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda" instead of "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2" ?
[07:04] <intelikey> adamwest sorry you lost me
[07:04] <adamwest> intelikey ^
[07:04] <InuDuelist> intelikey: kde-dev, kde-devel, and kde-devel-extras don't exist.
[07:04] <intelikey> yes. correct adamwest
[07:04] <InuDuelist> At least, not in my repos.
[07:04] <adamwest> oops :D
[07:05] <cmiller> they exist
[07:05] <cmiller> cmiller@cmiller-laptop ~> sudo apt-cache search kde-devel
[07:05] <cmiller> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[07:05] <cmiller> kde-devel-extras - extra development applications for use with KDE
[07:05] <intelikey> adamwest that's ok.  did you do    "sudo grub-install /dev/hda"  ?
[07:05] <adamwest> well, same one line. intelikey
[07:05] <adamwest> yes
[07:06] <intelikey> anyone good with grub in here ?
[07:06] <intelikey> !grub
[07:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:06] <dwidmann> cmiller: you don't need sudo to run apt-cache, should save you some keystrokes in the future knowing that
[07:06] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Could you help me find kde-devel?
[07:06] <InuDuelist> Or what repository it's in?
[07:06] <cmiller> type "man grub-install" if you lost grub after installing windoze
[07:06] <intelikey> !kde-devel
[07:06] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:06] <intelikey> says universe
[07:06] <InuDuelist> Ah, there we go.
[07:07] <adamwest> intelikey, should i read that?
[07:07] <cmiller> dwidmann: that's nice
[07:07] <intelikey> cmiller no windows added new partition  want it installed there.
[07:08] <cmiller> so we had a functioning install and then made a new partition?
[07:08] <intelikey> adamwest there might be a good howto on installing from the livecd   that would be about the eq of what you want to do.
[07:08] <intelikey> yes
[07:08] <cmiller> sounds like you want some kind of partition cloning tool to me
[07:08] <dwidmann> you likely don't need the full kde-devel package ... kde-core, kdelibs4-dev kdebase-dev libkonq4-dev libqt3-mt-dev
[07:08] <adamwest> intelikey, i saw this --- sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
[07:08] <intelikey> and want to migrate grub
[07:08] <adamwest> "If /boot is mounted on another partition and you use update-grub, then you may run into problems. One fix is to use grub-install, which is a distribution-agnostic way to install the grub boot loader to a boot sector."
[07:08] <InuDuelist> K.
[07:08] <InuDuelist> Found it.
[07:09] <cmiller> the suspense is killing me
[07:10] <intelikey> that latter post looks like it's on the right track.
[07:10] <InuDuelist> So, intelikey, you're still around after all these months?  :P
[07:10] <intelikey> cmiller all he needs is to install grub on the other system / partition.
[07:10] <InuDuelist> Probably don't even remember me. :P
[07:11] <dwidmann> seems the  herd2 installer needs a _lot_ of work
[07:11] <intelikey> InuDuelist actually not by that name.
[07:11] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That's a shame. I was around for about a month helping you and a couple other people out.
[07:11] <intelikey> cmiller he has another system mounted at /media/hda
[07:11] <InuDuelist> Then my hard drive crashed, and I was disallowed from reinstalling any form of operating system again. >_>
[07:12] <InuDuelist> At least, not on the computer I was on.
[07:12] <intelikey> that's where live CD's are handy
[07:12] <adamwest> what livecd should i use
[07:12] <adamwest> or dl, interlikey
[07:13] <intelikey> adamwest that was at InuDuelist
[07:13] <adamwest> oh ok :P
[07:13] <intelikey> you don't need a live cd you have a live system
[07:13] <adamwest> for how long ^_^
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Oh, you're right.
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Live CDs, I never quite realized I could still do that. >_>
[07:14] <adamwest> intelikey, in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto there are several issues: Setting kernel parameters, If /boot is on another partition, Changing the Disk that Grub is installed to, etc.
[07:14] <dawn> hi
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Let's see if this build will work now.
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Hi dawn.
[07:15] <intelikey> you can just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst  and add a new entry   but that will need fixed at some later point.     let me read on that link a minute.
[07:15] <dwidmann> hello dawn
[07:15] <InuDuelist> ./configure works.
[07:15] <InuDuelist> Time to test out make.
[07:15] <dawn> whats a quick way to break a 15gb file down to 4gb segments?
[07:15] <dawn> FAT32 only supports <4gb
[07:15] <intelikey> dawn dd
[07:15] <dawn> ?
[07:15] <cmiller> there's a way to use sed to do that.
[07:15] <intelikey> man dd
[07:16] <cmiller> i was reading about it a while back.  I'll go google.
[07:16] <dawn> oh command line?
[07:16] <intelikey> dd is simple and quick
[07:16] <intelikey> yes
[07:16] <dawn> hmmm
[07:16] <Jucato> dwidmann: someone was talking about compiling...
[07:17] <InuDuelist> And.... dammit.
[07:17] <dwidmann> even if they didn't mention the prefix ... I mentioned something that would work even if they said --prefix=/la/la/land
[07:17] <jean-b> hi
[07:17] <jean-b> i want to mount 2 win partitions
[07:17] <dwidmann> granted, I doubt anyone listened, but I said it
[07:17] <jean-b> the 2 are ntfs
[07:18] <jean-b> i read that ntfs can be mounted as read only
[07:18] <jean-b> and fat32 can be writeable
[07:18] <shinigami> help, how do i scan for a usb device after i plug in? kubuntu
[07:18] <Jucato> I just think it's more recommended to use --prefix in configure, and saves a lot of future headaches
[07:19] <shinigami> help, how do i scan for a usb device after i plug in? what's the command to scan
[07:19] <Jucato> shinigami: doesn't it already do it automatically?
[07:19] <CakeProphet> hrm....
[07:19] <Jucato> "lsusb" I think
[07:19] <CakeProphet> back again (it's been like an hour)
[07:19] <shinigami> no.. i plug into a scanner
[07:19] <dawn> nts is readable
[07:19] <dawn> *ntfs
[07:19] <CakeProphet> the driver was installed...
[07:19] <CakeProphet> but now the device isn't connecting...
[07:19] <jean-b> can ntfs be also writeable?
[07:19] <dawn> I have tried
[07:19] <intelikey> N=1 ;for Q in 1234 ;do dd if=file of=file$N.part count=1 bs=<4g> skip=$(($N * 1g)) ;N=$(($N + 1)) ;done
[07:19] <Jucato> jean-b: not really
[07:19] <dawn> but microsoft makes it difficult
[07:20] <intelikey> that line will need one or two tweeks   ^
[07:20] <dawn> intellikey is that the syntax?
[07:20] <adamwest> any news, intelikey?
[07:20] <jean-b> if i want a partition that can be readable and writable by win and linux
[07:20] <intelikey> that's a fully automated way.
[07:20] <jean-b> which one should it be?
[07:20] <Jucato> jean-b: fat32
[07:20] <jean-b> damned
[07:20] <jean-b> i have to reformat it ...
[07:20] <Jucato> jean-b: just take note that fat32 doesn't do file/directory permissions
[07:21] <dawn> fat32 has 4gb limit as well
[07:21] <dawn> hence my problem
[07:21] <shinigami> i used lsusb.. and found my scanner "brothers" at bus 04
[07:21] <shinigami> what should i do next?
[07:21] <jean-b> 4GB??
[07:21] <shinigami> how to mount it
[07:21] <jean-b> damned it
[07:21] <jean-b> mmm well thanx for the adivces
[07:21] <Jucato> shinigami: it's a scanner, you don't mount it afaik
[07:22] <Jucato> dawn: huh?
[07:22] <Jucato> aah nvm
[07:22] <Jucato> jean-b: 4GB file limit... means the maximum size of a single file allowed by fat32 is 4GB
[07:22] <dawn> i cannot understand that script intellikey
[07:22] <adamwest> intelikey is it too late to risk it and resize the whole damn thing lol
[07:22] <jean-b> jucato ah, ok
[07:22] <jean-b> but the part can be bigger than 4GB?
[07:22] <InuDuelist> intelikey: ./configure was successful, but make keeps failing.
[07:23] <dawn> linux: the greatest learning curve in my life right now
[07:23] <dawn> haha
[07:23] <dawn> jean: the disc can be large the 4gb
[07:23] <dawn> yes
[07:23] <Jucato> jean-b: yes
[07:23] <shinigami> hmm then how..
[07:23] <dawn> i have a 80GB wd USB drive
[07:23] <Jucato> jean-b: 32GB is the max size for a fat32 partition
[07:23] <dawn> that was formatted to fat32
[07:23] <Jucato> dawn: fat32?
[07:23] <dawn> I used partition magix ver. 8
[07:24] <intelikey> adamwest no. it's not too late.  see that's the beauty of this approach   we have not affected the running system at all.
[07:24] <Jucato> afaik, Windows doesn't recognize fat32 beyond 32GB...
[07:24] <Jucato> shinigami: what are you trying to do?
[07:24] <intelikey> Jucato can you help adamwest install grub on /dev/hda2  mounted at /media/hda   ?
[07:24] <adamwest> intelikey u mean if i restart now than nothing's changed? weird ^_^
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: er?
[07:25] <InuDuelist> intelikey: ./configure works, but make fails.
[07:25] <intelikey> adamwest if we can reinstall grub then then you should be able to boot eather system.
[07:25] <Jucato> InuDuelist: what are you trying to compile? what does the error output of make say?
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato grub ?
[07:25] <InuDuelist> ...
[07:25] <InuDuelist> Oh, dammit.
[07:25] <adamwest> intelikey how do i do that
[07:25] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm not very familiar with GRUB anymore...
[07:26] <InuDuelist> There's a goddamned option for it in synaptic.
[07:26] <Jucato> wait...
[07:26] <InuDuelist> Hours, wasted. >_>
[07:26] <InuDuelist> Hey, Jucato.
[07:26] <InuDuelist> I remember you too.
[07:26] <Jucato> hi
[07:26] <intelikey> Jucato  i don't even have it.  can't use it.
[07:26] <snowrichard> hello
[07:26] <Jucato> hi InuDuelist
[07:26] <Jucato> hm.. GRUB doesn't recognize mount points, for starters...
[07:27] <Jucato> it only does /dev or hdx,x
[07:28] <intelikey> Jucato the new system is mounted on /media/hda   so a;  chroot /media/hda  grub-install /dev/hda   ?
[07:28] <Jucato> what's adamwest (batman?) trying to do again?
[07:28] <intelikey> install a boot loader
[07:28] <adamwest> but mainly move my system from one partition to another.
[07:28] <intelikey> from a running system   (think live CD)
[07:29] <intelikey> the system is moved   (or copied.)  but the boot loader needs installed from the new system
[07:29] <Jucato> let me try to dig up my memory...
[07:29] <eean> I need the Net/Http.pm perl module. What its package name?
[07:30] <adamwest> btw jucato my adamwest nick is from family guy :) probably from more places but that's where i got the name from
[07:30] <eean> and how do you figure out perl module -> package name in general
[07:30] <intelikey> adamwest you did  "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda "    ?
[07:30] <adamwest> in one line, intelikey
[07:30] <adamwest> *?
[07:30] <Jucato> intelikey: no need for chroot
[07:30] <Jucato> afaik...
[07:30] <Jucato> wait.. trying to remember...
[07:30] <intelikey> Jucato if he doesn't chroot it will use /boot   ?
[07:31] <Jucato> intelikey: nope...
[07:31] <Jucato> hold on
[07:31] <InuDuelist> Well, I got that installed.
[07:31] <InuDuelist> Good night, guys.
[07:31] <Jucato> adamwest: you're on the live cd?
[07:31] <intelikey> it needs to use /media/hda/boot
[07:31] <eean> ...yes :) tough grub-install has an option to change where it looks for /boot
[07:31] <adamwest> no, on an installed system,
[07:31] <intelikey> Jucato affectively the liveCD  yes
[07:31] <Jucato> intelikey: grub has a command for that
[07:31] <intelikey> that's what he needs.
[07:32] <adamwest> jucato i originally wanted to resize the current ext3 partition but because i'm using it and it's not safe to resize, we try to simply copy it to the huge partition instead.
[07:32] <intelikey> adamwest jucato will dig up the command you need now.
[07:32] <adamwest> great, intelikey and jucato :)]
[07:33] <Jucato> from memory... "sudo grub" "find /boot/stage1" "root <wherever_stage1_is>" "setup <where_you_want_to_install_grub>"
[07:33] <adamwest> what's stage1
[07:33] <intelikey> a file
[07:33] <adamwest> file not found
[07:34] <Jucato> adamwest: you went into the grub prompt already?
[07:34] <adamwest> ye
[07:34] <Jucato> hm...
[07:34] <Jucato> oh sorry
[07:34] <intelikey> root first isn't it
[07:34] <intelikey> ?
[07:34] <Jucato> no..
[07:35] <Jucato> you won't know what to root into
[07:35] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[07:35] <Jucato> rawr.. me an my failing memory
[07:35] <intelikey> yeah root will be /dev/hda2
[07:35] <intelikey> or (hd0,1)
[07:35] <Jucato> if that's where stage1 is, then do that
[07:36] <adamwest> what do you mean
[07:36] <esc> hello
[07:36] <intelikey> root (hd0,1)
[07:36] <adamwest> in grub?
[07:36] <intelikey> yes
[07:36] <adamwest> ok done
[07:36] <Jucato> in the grub prompts
[07:36] <Jucato> in the grub prompt
[07:37] <adamwest> now what
[07:37] <Jucato> where do you want to install GRUB?
[07:37] <Jucato> hda1?
[07:37] <intelikey> now     find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:37] <Jucato> er...
[07:37] <intelikey> hda2
[07:37] <Jucato> intelikey: that's redundant
[07:37] <adamwest> in /dev/hda2 ... or in mounted /media/hda
[07:37] <Jucato> adamwest: forget the mount point
[07:37] <mena> What is the best Music player Wich play all kinds of music files
[07:37] <intelikey> Jucato oh,  ok.  take over i'll watch.
[07:37] <Jucato> GRUB doesn't recognize mount points
[07:37] <adamwest> lol ok jucato
[07:38] <Jucato> so hda2?
[07:38] <adamwest> ye
[07:38] <Jucato> what's in hda1?
[07:38] <adamwest> the ext3 ubuntu's using now,.
[07:38] <intelikey> i.e. other system
[07:38] <Jucato> ok....
[07:39] <intelikey> needs installed to the mbr btw
[07:39] <Jucato> hm...
[07:39] <Jucato> yes..
[07:39] <Jucato> so it should be: setup (hd0)
[07:40] <adamwest> type that in grub now?
[07:40] <Jucato> that will install (and overwrite) GRUB on the MBR of hda
[07:40] <adamwest> ok done.
[07:40] <esc> has anyone tried gaim beta6? I just installed it and I cannot log into my googletalk account...
[07:40] <Jucato> adamwest: quit
[07:40] <Jucato> adamwest: then restart
[07:40] <adamwest> btw it's /boot/grub/stage1 :) jucato
[07:40] <Jucato> esc: try in #ubuntu or #gaim
[07:41] <esc> good idea
[07:41] <adamwest> restart the copmuter or grub or whatever? jucato
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: yeah. like I said, failing memory..
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: the computer
[07:41] <adamwest> jucato: ok, ill do that
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: you didn't get any error messages after the setup command?
[07:41] <intelikey> adamwest sorry for all the hassel there     see jucato fixed grub presto    i got bumbfuzzeled on grub.
[07:42] <adamwest> jucato/intelikey: thanks both. in case i don't make it back, i wanna thank you very much for your great job! :D
[07:42] <Jucato> intelikey: heh
[07:42] <intelikey> lol
[07:42] <adamwest> and intelikey you helped! ;)
[07:42] <Jucato> adamwest: in case you can't boot into the hard disk
[07:42] <Jucato> use the Live CD to connect to IRC
[07:42] <Jucato> intelikey: at least you were concerned
[07:42] <Jucato> and gave him hope... and non-working stuff :P
[07:42] <adamwest> lol :D
[07:43] <intelikey> lol
[07:43] <Jucato> intelikey: btw, the root (hdx,x) command does what you were proposing chroot for
[07:43] <adamwest> ok am i free to go? no "WAIIIITTTTTT" messages i should read? :)
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato yes i saw that .... now if i can remember that.
[07:43] <Jucato> WAIIIT
[07:43] <mena> !gaim
[07:43] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:43] <adamwest> ^_^
[07:43] <Jucato> adamwest: I forgot to say something very important
[07:43] <Jucato> adamwest: Good Luck! :P
[07:43] <intelikey> good luck
[07:43] <intelikey> :)
[07:43] <adamwest> lol :P thanks
[07:44] <adamwest> ;) bbs
[07:44] <mena> doesnt kopete supprot Google TAlk
[07:44] <Jucato> Bulletin Board System?
[07:44] <Jucato> mena: it does
[07:44] <Jucato> for some reason, esc wanted GAIM
[07:44] <mena> jucato, realy but i cant ....its under what name
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: you have to use the Jabber protocol
[07:45] <esc> hey I like gaim
[07:45] <Jucato> esc: that's why I said "for some reason"
[07:45] <mena> jucato , okay i will see
[07:45] <shinigami> i'm trying to plug in my scanner and scan.... i've installed sane but still can't find the device that i plugged in
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: let me get a guide for you
[07:45] <Jucato> shinigami: using Kooka?
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[07:46] <esc> Jucato: do you use kopete?
[07:46] <Jucato> esc: yes
[07:46] <Jucato> but I haven't setup Google Talk after I reinstalled
[07:46] <ullvarg> i have a small technical question...
[07:46] <mena> jucato, okay i will see it
[07:46] <esc> just curious...why do you prefer it over gaim? any reasons besides it being native to kde?
[07:47] <ullvarg> how do i get sound drivers on my packardbell easy note a6
[07:47] <Jucato> esc: it fits in with KDE, notifications, dcop, shortcuts, appearance.
[07:47] <ullvarg> its got a 	Conexant 20468-31 AC'97 audio codec which isnt coverd by alsa
[07:47] <intelikey> would some be so kind as to post the output of    grep -m1 ^kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst      for me please ?
[07:47] <Jucato> and with other KDE apps
[07:48] <intelikey> i'm looking for syntax   ^
[07:48] <CakeProphet> so I installed the ndiswrapper package stuff... installed a driver, and associated my wireless adapter to that driver... but... it still doesn't work.  :/
[07:48] <Jucato> intelikey: kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[07:48] <intelikey> ty Jucato
[07:48] <esc> Jucato: yeah, I'm 99% kde at this point, but I just cant shake gaim. I try kopete and after 10 mins I go back to gaim...maybe I should force myself heh
[07:48] <Jucato> esc: don't force yourself
[07:48] <Jucato> it will happen eventually
[07:48] <esc> I really like the gaim betas
[07:49] <dwidmann> Okay, I have a rather general question I feel like asking. I've been playing with transcode lately, and I'm wondering if there's any way I could get it to auto-detect the amount of black it needs to clip off the top and bottom :\
[07:49] <Jucato> any particular reason you don't like Kopete? (I have one... ugly inteface :P)
[07:49] <shinigami> yes i used kooka and use word-->insert picture-->scan
[07:49] <shinigami> both cannot find my device...
[07:49] <karl> why does my password work to login, but nothing else?
[07:49] <Jucato> shinigami: the device is on, right?
[07:49] <shinigami> do i need the drivers or something?
[07:49] <esc> yup, it's so ugly...while gaim beta is so pretty
[07:49] <adamwest> HURRAY IT WORKS :D
[07:49] <esc> that's the only reason
[07:49] <shinigami> yes.. the deivce is on
[07:49] <adamwest> omg jucato intelikey
[07:49] <Jucato> shinigami: I'm not sure if your scanner needs special drivers..
[07:50] <adamwest> it's now in the huge partition, thanks a bunch! :)
[07:50] <Jucato> !scanner | shinigami
[07:50] <ubotu> shinigami: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:50] <Jucato> adamwest: nice :)
[07:50] <adamwest> is intelikey here?
[07:50] <Jucato> yes he is.. he's just ignoring you
[07:50] <Jucato> :P
[07:50] <adamwest> :D after all we've been through
[07:50] <karl> can anyone help me out for a sec?
[07:51] <shinigami> its installed. hmm ok
[07:51] <shinigami> i read the site
[07:51] <adamwest> btw jucato what's your personal opinion about best environment? (gnome kde xfce etc)
[07:51] <Jucato> karl: what do you mean? about the password?
[07:51] <intelikey> adamwest it's supposed to be.
[07:51] <intelikey> :)
[07:51] <Jucato> adamwest: I'm biased :P
[07:51] <adamwest> intelikey :D
[07:52] <adamwest> jucato you're what? :)
[07:52] <Jucato> adamwest: I'm biased... so my answer to your question will definitely be KDE :P
[07:52] <adamwest> and intelikey your opinion also if u want
[07:52] <intelikey> just because i'm no good with grub    "which i can't use because i don't have any partitions,"    doesn't mean i don't know anything....   :)
[07:52] <karl> well, i can login to kubuntu fine, but if i try to do anything such as enter the wlanassistant, it asks me for my password, but it tells me its wrong
[07:52] <adamwest> :P
[07:53] <karl> if i try to change my password, it tells me it's wrong as well
[07:53] <karl> but i can login?
[07:53] <adamwest> kde? but konquerer sucks a bit, don't it jucato :)
[07:53] <Jucato> adamwest: nope it doesn't :)
[07:53] <Jucato> adamwest: I use it 99% of the time
[07:53] <intelikey> adamwest i'm a minimalest   i like things that fit on a floppy disk...   twm for example.
[07:53] <mena> jucato, thanks Its Worked
[07:53] <adamwest> jucato? for real? wow :P
[07:54] <intelikey> adamwest i also don't run a gui very often at all.
[07:54] <Jucato> karl: which password are you entering when you enter wlanassistant? have you tried other apps that need the sudo password? like Adept?
[07:54] <adamwest> really? so what do you do in ur comp lol
[07:54] <Jucato> adamwest: for real
[07:54] <Jucato> I'm a Konqi lovah!
[07:54] <dwidmann> khtml is great ... konqueror for most things is great ... konqueror for a web browser is :(
[07:54] <adamwest> :D
[07:54] <Jucato> adamwest: intelikey's definitely not doing computer and 3D graphics
[07:54] <Jucato> hehe
[07:55] <adamwest> lol i guess not
[07:55] <karl> well if i want to enter administrator mode in the systems settings, it tells me my password is wrong as well
[07:55] <adamwest> well now before ill go my way for now is an opinion on best environment. mainly xfce or kde or gnome.
[07:56] <intelikey> adamwest i can listen to music read/write docs   write scripts  watch vidios even graphically browse the internet without ever starting X    although i don't use graphics much.  most of my browsing is "pictureless"
[07:56] <Jucato> adamwest: that question has started many a war :)
[07:56] <dwidmann> you can watch videos without starting x? do tell
[07:56] <intelikey> adamwest the best is the one that likes you most.
[07:56] <adamwest> jucato i know but i want *your* opinions as the ones who helped me through this :)
[07:56] <Jucato> intelikey: where were you when I needed to browse pics on CLI... :(
[07:56] <Jucato> adamwest: like I said. KDE :P
[07:56] <intelikey> Jucato i don't know...
[07:57] <adamwest> lol except that jucato :D i just dont liek this konqueror
[07:57] <intelikey> elinks or links2  both support -g mode
[07:57] <Jucato> adamwest: then don't use it. there's always firefox
[07:57] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah, but I thought links2 -g needed X
[07:57] <adamwest> really kde has plenty of good applications but the file browsing thing is not that good.
[07:58] <Jucato> ??
[07:58] <adamwest> internet? no, always firefox.
[07:58] <intelikey> adamwest you can use firefox opera mozilla or even nautilus in kde.
[07:58] <intelikey> !ff
[07:58] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:58] <dwidmann> adamwest, if you don't like konqueror, try dolphin, or something
[07:58] <Jucato> adamwest: what's not so good about Konqi as a file manager?
[07:58] <adamwest> dunno, i only know that nautilus is kinda better
[07:58] <Jucato> adamwest: if you should know, Konqueror is mostly praised for its file management more than its web browsing capabilities (KHTML)
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: then you definitely haven't encountered KIO :)
[07:59] <adamwest> kio?
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: yes. it's one of KDE's best features, and Konqueror takes full advantage of it
[07:59] <adamwest> what's that
[07:59] <dwidmann> smb:/, file:/, home:/ media:/ settings:/  ....
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: basically, it allows you to access almost anything  through a consisten URL/interface
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: ftp:/, help:/, man:/, system:/, etc
[08:00] <adamwest> hmm so why i can only see /home and /media when i go to /    ? :\
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: for example, what'
[08:00] <Jucato> err
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: that's Kubuntu's "customization"
[08:00] <Jucato> default KDE doesn't do that
[08:00] <adamwest> what's a default dke
[08:00] <adamwest> kde
[08:01] <adamwest> is there a way to get the default one?
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: for example. with ftp://, ssh:/ and sftp:/, you won't need a separate FTP program
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: KDE doesn't make packages for distros. it just provides source code
[08:01] <dwidmann> adamwest: that's only present in Ubuntu Edgy, and it's already removed in Feisty, and wasn't present in Dapper. Wasn't restricted to Kubuntu either ... got the same effect in Ubuntu as well.
[08:01] <intelikey> oooops modem reset.
[08:01] <adamwest> what's feisty, the next release?
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: distros, like Kubuntu, take those source codes, compile and package them, then customize them to fit their  requirements
[08:02] <intelikey> adamwest yes.
[08:02] <Jucato> adamwest: yes. Fesity Fawn due on 2007 April
[08:02] <adamwest> so why does gnome show the files but kde won't?
[08:02] <dwidmann> adamwest: yes, but it's definitely not ready yet, I just filed a bug against ubiquity-frontend-kde (the installer) a few minutes ago
[08:02] <karl> is gnome or kde better?
[08:02] <intelikey> !hiden
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <intelikey> !hidden
[08:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[08:02] <intelikey> read that adamwest
[08:02] <Jucato> adamwest: again, it's just Kubuntu doing this
[08:03] <dwidmann> karl: asking that question in a kde channel will surely give you skewed results, of course kde is better :)
[08:03] <intelikey> karl no.
[08:03] <karl> do you guys all use kubuntu full time?
[08:03] <Jucato> "better" is subjective. in the end, "better" means what *you* like/want/need
[08:03] <adamwest> well aside from that and the konqueror t dont like so much, jucato, kde launches apps slow :
[08:03] <karl> i'm trying it out, and getting seriously frustrated
[08:03] <adamwest> :-\ no?
[08:03] <intelikey> no i turn my computer off a lot.
[08:03] <Jucato> adamwest: no :)
[08:03] <adamwest> for instance the dvd burner
[08:04] <adamwest> takes hours
[08:04] <karl> i mean as opposed to dual boot windows
[08:04] <dwidmann> when I last saw the windows eula, I clicked "decline"
[08:04] <Jucato> adamwest: and you've compared burning the same size/files in GNOME?
[08:04] <intelikey> i quad boot linux linux linux and linux
[08:04] <adamwest> no, that gnome feature sucks
[08:05] <adamwest> this is mainly why i want kde still. it has great apps.
[08:05] <adamwest> but it takes so long to load D:
[08:05] <dwidmann> intelikey: vmware might help with that
[08:05] <Jucato> adamwest: so how sure are you that that speed isn't normal in DVD  burning?
[08:05] <adamwest> that's why i thought about xfce, jucato.
[08:05] <karl> quad boot different distros?
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: you will only know if you try
[08:06] <intelikey> yeah
[08:06] <Jucato> there's a term for that... multi-boot...
[08:06] <karl> for what purpose?
[08:06] <adamwest> jucato: i'm not talking about the dvd burning speed, i was talking about how long it takes to actually load
[08:06] <adamwest> and hangs the whole system D:
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: it takes hours?!?!
[08:06] <adamwest> yeah
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: that's definitely not normal.
[08:06] <intelikey> no purpose, i'm just an idiot that does thing no one in their right mind would do.
[08:06] <adamwest> k3b takes hours to load
[08:06] <Jucato> and, sorry to say< I'm afraid there's something wrong in your end
[08:07] <intelikey> like install without any partitions
[08:07] <Jucato> k3b loads/starts in seconds
[08:07] <intelikey> mount everything nosudi
[08:07] <Jucato> nosudi?
[08:07] <adamwest> not in here D:
[08:07] <adamwest> takes forever.
[08:07] <adamwest> and the system hangs.
[08:07] <intelikey> remove all login prompts and make init open a console for me.
[08:07] <intelikey> things like that.
[08:07] <aa> hi
[08:07] <Jucato> removing his brain and stuff like that
[08:08] <dwidmann> hmm, k3b, on a cold start, with disks in both drives, starts in about 4 seconds for me ...
[08:08] <adamwest> lol
[08:08] <adamwest> it takes about 45 seconds over here if not more
[08:08] <Jucato> ok.. this is annoying.. I should have been studying hours ago...
[08:08] <Jucato> adamwest: what are your specs?
[08:08] <intelikey> Jucato yes   you knew i was full  nosuid
[08:08] <adamwest> jucato: 512ram 1300ghz
[08:08] <intelikey> oh typo   nosuid
[08:08] <adamwest> *1300mhz
[08:08] <aa> i'm sorry
[08:09] <Jucato> adamwest: hm... I had no problems like that when I had 512MB RAM 1.5Ghz
[08:09] <Jucato> omg?!? 1,300GHz?!?!
[08:09] <dwidmann> adamwest, perhaps you should start k3b from a konsole, perhaps there are errors of some sort happening
[08:09] <Jucato> lol
[08:09] <adamwest> jucato: what? ^_^
[08:09] <adamwest> oh looolol
[08:09] <dwidmann> 1300ghz, I'd do anything for that O.O
[08:09] <adamwest> lol
[08:10] <Jucato> adamwest: basically, to summarize it all... there's something wrong on your end...
[08:10] <adamwest> umm jucato is there a way to reinstall the KDE and remove unneccessary packages and stuff? i dont know if there's a way to fix it all
[08:10] <Jucato> KDE should be running decently with that spec
[08:10] <intelikey> it used to be 64m ram.   i can't really tell that the added 32m helped very much.
[08:10] <shinigami> ok i've installed the drivers for my brothers scanner.. kooka can see my device now, but it says my system does not provide a sane installation??? i already installed sane and xsane
[08:10] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude remove --purge k3b && sudo aptitude install k3b
[08:10] <Jucato> adamwest: "unnecessary" packages and stuff are hard to determine. and has little to do with speed
[08:11] <Jucato> dwidmann: err? sudo aptitude purge
[08:11] <Jucato> shinigami: maybe because it's insane?
[08:11] <adamwest> jucato: i know, i'm used to clean stuff from windows :) but my main question is -- how to cleanly reinstall kde.
[08:11] <dwidmann> Hmmmmmm
[08:11] <Thehound666> question I want to convert my most powerful machine from running VMWare to a dual boot situation. Is there any way to just replace NT file loader in XP with Grub without doing the Kubuntu install?
[08:11] <shinigami> lol
[08:11] <adamwest> oh and remove remains from gnome.
[08:11] <karl> when i boot the livecd, i have all the proper video resolutions, but the installation only has 3 options the max 1024, any idea why?
[08:11] <dwidmann> I've recently converted myself from apt-get, so sue me Jucato!
[08:11] <intelikey> enable all update/security repos and dist-upgrade
[08:11] <Jucato> adamwest: get rid of that windows habit/thinking :P
[08:11] <Thehound666> I want to clone my virtual drive to a real drive
[08:11] <Thehound666> I know how to do that
[08:12] <adamwest> jucato i know i'm working on that ;)
[08:12] <intelikey> adamwest: enable all update/security repos and dist-upgrade
[08:12] <Jucato> dwidmann: you have your lawyer's number?
[08:12] <shinigami> insaneeee
[08:12] <adamwest> intelikey: ... what? :)
[08:12] <Jucato> shinigami: try libsane
[08:12] <dwidmann> Why yes, I do, 1800kissmy$!*
[08:12] <intelikey> to install any bug fixes and security updates adamwest
[08:13] <adamwest> where do i do that intelikey
[08:13] <Thehound666> maybe I'll just do the install and clone the drive over
[08:13] <intelikey> !repos | adamwest
[08:13] <ubotu> adamwest: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:13] <intelikey> that should help you   ^
[08:13] <adamwest> thanks
[08:14] <shinigami> installed already..damnit why is it so hard
[08:14] <shinigami> hehe
[08:14] <adamwest> btw jucato what did u mean by me end not being good or smtng and is it fixable
[08:14] <Jucato> adamwest: huh?
[08:15] <intelikey> i installed drivers for a scanned  but all i could ever get out of sane was no devices found
[08:15] <adamwest> jucato: adamwest: basically, to summarize it all... there's something wrong on your end...
[08:15] <Jucato> adamwest: aaah
[08:15] <adamwest> ^_^
[08:15] <Jucato> I don't know what's wrong, but if you're experiencing a slow system with those specs, then there's something definitely wrong
[08:16] <adamwest> lol inteikey
[08:16] <Jucato> lol
[08:16] <adamwest> btw that link intelikey gives me information about packages... not how to clean gnome and reinstall kde D:
[08:16] <adamwest> lol
[08:17] <intelikey> adamwest it's supposed to tell you how to setup the repos
[08:17] <intelikey> adamwest to enable security updates and bug fixes
[08:17] <adamwest> oh
[08:17] <Jucato> intelikey: depends on what you meant by "user" in that phrase :P
[08:17] <adamwest> but i want to reinstall this and clean gnome remains... not autoupdate :\
[08:17] <intelikey> Jucato lol
[08:18] <intelikey> i think that falls in the #offtopic catagory
[08:18] <Jucato> end user?
[08:18] <Thehound666> so is there any way to simply load grub without Kubuntu in place of NT file loader? would be easiest for me
[08:18] <Jucato> sure... go through the "backdoor"
[08:19] <cyprene> backdoor?
[08:19] <Jucato> nothing
[08:19] <adamwest> hmm isnt the latesl kde ver 4?
[08:20] <Jucato> adamwest: no
[08:20] <Jucato> that's the development/unstable version
[08:20] <adamwest> oh
[08:20] <adamwest> ok then
[08:20] <intelikey> cyprene grub     then root=<partition you can install grub to>      setup
[08:20] <Thehound666> well seems Jucato is the only help in the room. guess I'll have to wait for him
[08:20] <adamwest> btw did any of you read the kubuntu guide? :) i need some erading material.
[08:21] <Jucato> Thehound666: er... depends... if I don't know how to answer the problem... I can't help either
[08:21] <Jucato> adamwest: there's a Kubuntu Desktop Guide in K Menu -> Help :)
[08:22] <Thehound666> well only part I need is to install grub standalone over NT file loader
[08:22] <Thehound666> converting my power machine from Kubuntu in VMWare to dual boot
[08:22] <adamwest> tnx jucato
[08:22] <Thehound666> I can make a image of my current Kubuntu drive
[08:22] <intelikey> see i can't use grub...    grub> root /dev/sda
[08:22] <intelikey> Error 11: Unrecognized device string
[08:23] <Jucato> intelikey: er... sorry... I was wrong about GRUB recognizing /dev
[08:23] <Jucato> intelikey: it only recognizes the hdx,x notation
[08:23] <intelikey> wouldn't matter  i still can't
[08:23] <Jucato> afaik
[08:23] <Jucato> root hd0,0 ?
[08:23] <Jucato> something like that?
[08:23] <intelikey> it wont accept root (hd0)   either
[08:24] <Thehound666> grub should have no problem recognising Kubuntu
[08:24] <Thehound666> it occasionally has an issue with windows
[08:24] <Thehound666> from what I already read
[08:24] <intelikey> it can't be used on my system.
[08:24] <Jucato> intelikey: exact partition? like hd0,0
[08:24] <intelikey> there are no partitions.
[08:24] <Jucato> oh...
[08:24] <intelikey> no partition table
[08:24] <Jucato> :O
[08:25] <intelikey> adn grub freeks on that.
[08:25] <Jucato> there's at least 1 partiion...
[08:25] <intelikey> nope
[08:25] <Jucato> hda1/hd0,0
[08:25] <intelikey> none
[08:25] <Jucato> mabye grub sees it that way
[08:25] <intelikey> sees what ?
[08:26] <Jucato> the drive
[08:26] <intelikey> nope.
[08:26] <Hoxxin> what does it mean when 6.10 has limited support and 6.06 longer support? is it still gonna be updates for 6.10 after?
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: it just means that 6.10 has a regular lifetime of 18 months. while 6.06 has a lifetime of 3-5 years
[08:27] <Hoxxin> so it'll be way better to install 6.06?
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: lifetime, in this sense, means the release will be getting security updates and bug fixes
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: it depends on what you're aiming for
[08:28] <intelikey> tty4 [greg@~]  mount | grep ' / '
[08:28] <intelikey>  /dev/sda on / type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nogrpid)
[08:28] <Hoxxin> Jucato im gonna use it at home for surfing and not much more :)
[08:28] <Jucato> Hoxxin: support/updates doesn't necessarily mean it will get new vresions of apps
[08:28] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  grub-install /dev/sda
[08:28] <intelikey> Unknown partition table signature
[08:28] <intelikey> ^ repetes for a screen full
[08:29] <Jucato> Hoxxin: 6.06 may have a longer lifetime for receiving fixes, but it will not always have the latest stable versions
[08:29] <Hoxxin> Jucato: ok tnx maybe ill go with the 6.10 then
[08:29] <intelikey> should have the "more stable version" though
[08:30] <intelikey> !latest
[08:30] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:30] <Jucato> intelikey: in some cases, yes, ins some cases, no
[08:30] <Thehound666> this web page recommends GAG if you don't want to take any chances with GRUB
[08:30] <Thehound666> how good is GAG
[08:30] <Thehound666> in your opinion
[08:30] <Jucato> depends on how much of the bug fixes that are put into the newer versions get added to the older versions
[08:30] <Jucato> (that was for intelikey)
[08:30] <Hoxxin> Jucato : gees now i have a hard time deciding
[08:31] <intelikey> yeah  and they all should... doesn't mean they will...
[08:31] <Jucato> my point exactly... older doesn't always mean more stable... it depends
[08:32] <intelikey> i did say "should"
[08:33] <Jucato> I did say "my point exactly"
[08:33] <intelikey> but at any rate lilo has no problem booting this system.
[08:34] <intelikey> also not only can grub not install it can't even boot it from a floppy or grub CD
[08:34] <adamwest> ok my system was already updated :\ but i have no idea how to reinstall KDE entirely D:
[08:34] <Hoxxin> hehe nice nick
[08:35] <Jucato> adamwest: http://www.adamwest.com/
[08:35] <adamwest> who, me hoxxin?
[08:35] <intelikey> remove gamin     install kde   or kubuntu-desktop
[08:35] <adamwest> i know ^_^
[08:35] <fek> moin
[08:35] <Hoxxin> adamwest u ye :)
[08:35] <Thehound666> I see why they said get GAG, it can install from a bootable CD if grub don't like you
[08:35] <adamwest> tnx intelikey
[08:36] <intelikey> like this     sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin && sudo apt-get install kde              replace kde with kubuntu-desktop if that's what you prefer.  they have different package deps
[08:36] <adamwest> yeah ill do that, tnx
[08:37] <adamwest> that will reset the kde to it's default settings like toolbars and such, right?
[08:37] <intelikey> if you are wanting to remove gnome   i think gconf  can do that.
[08:37] <Thehound666> running Kubuntu native will be insane on this PC
[08:37] <intelikey> adamwest no
[08:37] <Thehound666> AMD Athlon FX-62
[08:37] <Kamesh> Hi all, any one knows why Firefox and Thunderbird is not packed with the default live cd ?? Thanks in advance
[08:37] <intelikey> adamwest those changes are in your home dir
[08:38] <adamwest> intelikey so how can i actually reinstall this kde :D
[08:38] <intelikey> adamwest apt wont tuch that.  you can  rm -fr ~/.kde  for that.
[08:38] <intelikey> but not with kde running
[08:38] <Thehound666> because some people may not want them and they are easy to install?
[08:38] <Thehound666> my best guess
[08:38] <Thehound666> besides firefox updates alot lately
[08:39] <Thehound666> faster than Kubuntu
[08:39] <intelikey> Kamesh cause ff is not part of kubuntu  it's part of ubuntu
[08:39] <Jucato> Kamesh: because the Kubuntu devs wanted a full/primary KDE experience
[08:40] <Thehound666> well I was half right
[08:40] <Jucato> they're going to replace OO.o with KOffice soon also
[08:40] <Thehound666> with because some people may not want them
[08:40] <adamwest> well ill go away now.. thanks for all the help guys :) intelikey, jucato.
[08:40] <Thehound666> is KOffice any good?
[08:40] <intelikey> adamwest go away now.
[08:40] <Thehound666> was starting to like OO
[08:40] <Jucato> Thehound666: firefox updates a lot, but the updates don't go into ubuntu as fast as users want...
[08:40] <intelikey> :)
[08:40] <Kamesh> Thanks a lot for all your comments.
[08:40] <Jucato> Thehound666: lighter than OO.o definitely
[08:41] <adamwest> bye now
[08:41] <karl> is there an alternative to using wireless assistant?
[08:41] <karl> to connect to my wireless network?
[08:43] <mcrandello> karl: several, wifi-radar, kwifimanager swscanner (I think) and good old fashioned sudo iwconfig ath0 essid FOO &&  sudo dhclient
[08:44] <karl> thanks, i JUST managed to get connected, after trying differnt settings for about 20 mins...
[08:45] <Kamesh> Jucato: but I believe the default browser for Kubuntu is konqueror which cannot even render gmail properly and may other websites. Or is it the problem of the gmail :-)
[08:45] <Jucato> it's basically Google's
[08:45] <mcrandello> wait what's not working with gmail?
[08:45] <Jucato> but you can use Gmail in Konqueror
[08:45] <Jucato> properly
[08:45] <intelikey> Kamesh gmail is not propper
[08:46] <intelikey> that's not a konq error.   that's bad html
[08:47] <Jucato> Kamesh: set your browser identification to Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> for google.com
[08:47] <mcrandello> no seriously I don't see anything wrong with gmail at all ?:(
[08:47] <indra> hello there
[08:47] <Kamesh> Jucato: is it. I checked on the latest release of kubuntu about a month back and I guess it did not work then
[08:47] <mortici> how do i get firefox to notice kmail as default e-mail app?
[08:47] <Kamesh> May be I am wrong. I will check it once again
[08:48] <Jucato> Kamesh: trust me. I've been doing that since Dapper
[08:48] <indra> i have a problem with konqueror
[08:48] <indra> i can't access any website
[08:48] <Kamesh> Thanks Jucato. I will check it out
[08:48] <indra> anyone know?
[08:48] <indra> please
[08:49] <intelikey> !networking
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <intelikey> !network
[08:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:49] <intelikey> nothing useful there
[08:49] <indra> do you have more useful idea, intelikey
[08:50] <Skrot-> indra: Do you get a error message in konqueror?
[08:51] <Kamesh> indra: You you have internet connection :-). Did you check in firefox ?
[08:51] <indra> yea....for example:
[08:51] <indra> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com:
[08:51] <indra> Timeout on server
[08:51] <indra>  Connection was to www.google.com at port 80
[08:52] <indra> i think the problem with proxy
[08:52] <Skrot-> indra: Try http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[08:52] <Thehound666> 1 more concern. Does Kubuntu support a usb DVD-RW drive?
[08:53] <Skrot-> Thehound666: It uesed to work with my Firewire DVD-RW, so I guess it supports USB as well :>
[08:53] <indra> ok..
[08:53] <Thehound666> nice
[08:53] <Skrot-> indra: Its google.com's IP. If you can access that but not google.com its probably DNS problems
[08:54] <dwidmann> Gah, this is really frustrating :(
[08:54] <indra> same error message
[08:54] <indra> An error occurred while loading http://<IP_ADDRESS>/:
[08:54] <indra> Timeout on server
[08:54] <indra>  Connection was to <IP_ADDRESS> at port 80
[08:54] <Skrot-> indra: Try "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" in konsole
[08:55] <indra> ok..please wait
[08:56] <indra> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:56] <indra> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[08:56] <indra> 73 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 71988ms
[08:56] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato!
[08:56] <Jucato> hi jordo23
[08:56] <Skrot-> indra: is it the same computer you're using konversation on?
[08:57] <indra> yes
[08:57] <indra> that's it
[08:57] <Skrot-> weird..
[08:57] <notech> indra: what about other sites?
[08:59] <indra> other site...same error message...
[08:59] <indra> oh bad..
[08:59] <Skrot-> Does it work in firefox?
[09:00] <indra> i don't have firefox installer
[09:00] <indra> i can't download it
[09:00] <Skrot-> indra: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox doesn't work?
[09:01] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:01] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:01] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:01] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:01] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:01] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:01] <indra> i think it is on the cd?
[09:02] <cyprene> Anybody in here know anything about unix system calls, or is that a little too obscure?
[09:02] <indra> but the cd had been borrowed by my friend
[09:02] <intelikey> ubuntu cd yes kubuntu cd no
[09:03] <intelikey> cyprene  C  ?      C++ ?
[09:03] <cyprene> C
[09:03] <indra> no ubuntu cd here....sorry
[09:03] <notech> indra: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:04] <cyprene> I understand that this may be well outside of the support that this channel offers, but since I had it open I figured I may as well ask, lol
[09:04] <intelikey>  /j ##C
[09:04] <indra> skrot..i will try it...do u know how to disable the automatic add 'http://' in konqueror?
[09:04] <cyprene> Aah, ok
[09:06] <cyprene> Thanks. :)
[09:06] <intelikey> np
[09:07] <tanlaan> hey everyone
[09:08] <intelikey> hay
[09:08] <ForgeAus> heeh thats what horses eat! :)
[09:08] <indra> hey..
[09:08] <tanlaan> ive been having a problem with my wifi card on my laptop, apparently it doesnt like the wifi channels 6 and 11. Does anyone know any possible reason why this may occur? *yes my card works on other channels*
[09:08] <indra> still waiting for ping...
[09:09] <ForgeAus> tanlaan I'm not sure but I had a similar problem
[09:09] <esc> indra: are you trying to install firefox?
[09:09] <ForgeAus> I had a laptop that wouldn't find my wireless router on its default channel but when I changed it voila.. it just magically appeared!
[09:09] <intelikey> !wifi
[09:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:09] <esc> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:09] <notech> that's instresting, that was freenode's ip address
[09:09] <tanlaan> oo btw, im using a wifi card with bcm43xx firmware *not very lucky in the case of linux*
[09:10] <ForgeAus> are you sure freenode only has one?
[09:10] <indra> esc--no...i am trying pinging <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:10] <tanlaan> so i guess im actually lucky that it works at all :D
[09:10] <tanlaan> haha
[09:10] <esc> why?
[09:10] <mervteck> hey guys
[09:10] <intelikey> hay
[09:10] <notech> esc: indra has no connection issues and no cd with him
[09:10] <ForgeAus> wouldn't swiftfox be better t han firefox/
[09:10] <ForgeAus> ?
[09:10] <mervteck> oi why am i so damn noob to linux >.<
[09:11] <tanlaan> mervteck: cause everyone has to be a noob at some point?
[09:11] <mervteck> true, just wish i could get win installed but i dunno how >.<
[09:11] <indra> that's it notech..but i am using the same computer with this konversation
[09:11] <esc> well, swiftfox is not quite opensource
[09:11] <intelikey> or they will be a noob at every point
[09:11] <ForgeAus> the trick is to den00bify yourself I guess :)
[09:11] <tanlaan> haha]
[09:12] <ForgeAus> esc its not the source I'm interested in :) (kidding)
[09:12] <notech> esc: to catch you up, is here with konversation but can ping no addresses by ip and no konquorer working it errors with timeout
[09:12] <mervteck> lols well the person teaching me more about linux crashed for the nite so im all noob right now trying to install wine and its failing horribly
[09:12] <tanlaan> yea that might not be a great thing to try and do by yourself then :P
[09:12] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:12] <mervteck> XD yeah that and i need to install my nvidia drivers but lucky for me i know how to do those =D
[09:13] <intelikey> !wine
[09:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:13] <esc> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:13] <esc> yeah..what intelikely said
[09:13] <mervteck> wewts i love u guys ^^
[09:13] <indra> freezing...
[09:13] <indra> no output but still pinging...
[09:13] <mervteck> Building dependency tree
[09:13] <mervteck> Reading state information... Done
[09:13] <mervteck> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:13] <mervteck> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:13] <mervteck> is only available from another source
[09:13] <mervteck> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:13] <indra> ?
[09:13] <notech> indra: you can cancel the ping
[09:14] <intelikey> !info wine
[09:14] <mervteck> thats what i got putting that in to konsole
[09:14] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[09:14] <indra> how?
[09:14] <intelikey> in universe.
[09:14] <indra> newbie in linux
[09:14] <intelikey> enable the universe repo
[09:14] <mervteck> XD
[09:14] <notech> indra: ctrl+c will work
[09:14] <intelikey> !repos
[09:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:14] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:14] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:14] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:14] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:14] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:14] <indra> sorry
[09:14] <mervteck> anyone got any other ideas on how to get it installed cuz... well it failed XD
[09:14] <intelikey> !paste | indra
[09:14] <ubotu> indra: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:14] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:14] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:14] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:14] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:14] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:14] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:14] <indra> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[09:14] <indra> 592 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 590912ms
[09:15] <tanlaan> omg indra
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: use www.pastebin.ca
[09:15] <esc> "mozilla-firefox" is not the name of the package
[09:15] <indra> sorry
[09:15] <esc> it's just firefox
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: :D
[09:15] <intelikey> don't be sorry,  just don't do it again.
[09:15] <dane> http://www.pastebin.ca/324408
[09:15] <indra> ctrl+v didn't work
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: that paste in just kinda scared me haha
[09:15] <indra> i forget this is not windows
[09:16] <dane> www.pastebin.ca/324408
[09:16] <dane> i nkow
[09:16] <notech> that's bizarre being connected to freenode but timeout on pinging freenode
[09:16] <dane> i'm lost without familiarity
[09:16] <indra> ^^
[09:16] <dane> it's nice
[09:16] <dane> a change in history, almost
[09:16] <mervteck> grrs i need my wineeeee ( i swear im not drunk )
[09:16] <dane> :)
[09:16] <dane> sec let me goto the repository
[09:16] <dane> still got me?
[09:16] <tanlaan> mervteck: why do you need it so bad?
[09:17] <intelikey> winey ?
[09:17] <dane> me not wine
[09:17] <mervteck> tanlaan: im gonna run CS ^^
[09:17] <dane> :)
[09:17] <indra> not work with name 'firefox'
[09:17] <tanlaan> mervteck: lol
[09:17] <mervteck> also wann try running bf2142
[09:18] <dane> ok so here's the problem
[09:18] <tanlaan> mervteck: have any idea what the minimum specs for use of CS on linux through wine is? *just curious*
[09:18] <intelikey> did you enable the repos  "universe" ?
[09:18] <dane> i'm running on x64 bit architechture
[09:18] <dane> the os is 64 bit
[09:18] <dane> hardly any software, including wine (i think, last I checked) doesn't work
[09:18] <intelikey> !repos > mervteck
[09:18] <indra> esc--how are u..? hehe...
[09:18] <dane> nothing is simply written for it yet
[09:18] <mervteck> from what ive heard pretty high but im running an amd athlon fx 5000 dual core and 6 gb of ram so i figure im ok ^^
[09:19] <dane> nice
[09:19] <dane> ok
[09:19] <dane> so lets try some repos
[09:19] <esc> indra: im ok. whats up
[09:19] <mervteck> so i figure ive got the power to run it XD
[09:19] <tanlaan> mervteck: . . . why so much horse power for such a small car? :P
[09:19] <mervteck> XD usually on windows but wanna switch to linux
[09:20] <indra> how about my konqueror? hehe
[09:20] <tanlaan> mervteck: ahh
[09:20] <tanlaan> mervteck: lol, still i cant think of any linux app that would have you pushing anywhere near the limit of your specs :P
[09:20] <mervteck> XD
[09:20] <dane> heard some whistling
[09:21] <intelikey> gimp ?
[09:21] <Skrot-> mervteck: 6GB!?
[09:21] <ind> esc---skrot---how about my konqueror? hehe
[09:21] <intelikey> i think gimp could load 6g
[09:21] <esc> huh?
[09:21] <Influx> UGH
[09:21] <Skrot-> ind: I don't think konqueror is the problem..
[09:22] <Skrot-> ind: Seeing how you cannot ping google.com
[09:22] <mervteck> yeah lol 6gb of ram ftw i have another 2 i could put in but thats in my server tower atm XD
[09:22] <mervteck> oh and its all ddr3 =)
[09:22] <Jucato> ind: you can connect to IRC, but can't browse?
[09:22] <Skrot-> yes
[09:22] <esc> sounds like a DNS problem, no?
[09:22] <ind> yea..maybe...i think because of proxy
[09:22] <Jucato> yes
[09:22] <Jucato> sounds like a DNS problem
[09:22] <ind> yes jucato
[09:22] <Skrot-> agreed, but he cannot access google by ip either
[09:22] <notech> can't ping by ip either
[09:23] <Jucato> try changing your nameserver
[09:23] <Jucato> in /etc/resolv.conf
[09:23] <notech> ind: can you ping your own router?
[09:23] <intelikey> sounds more like ipv6 over router that doesn't support it maybe
[09:23] <esc> yeah, I'd guess the problem lays in resolv.conf
[09:23] <esc> hmm
[09:23] <tanlaan> hmm, *off topic* what do you think the smallest amount of sleep you could get each night, and still be functional and able to learn new things? lol
[09:23] <esc> perhaps
[09:23] <JaydeInflux> UGH
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> I NEED MUSIC
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> this silence is killing me
[09:24] <intelikey> tanlaan 12 hours
[09:24] <Skrot-> tanlaan: You should get 8 hours of sleep each night. ;)
[09:24] <Skrot-> 12 hours for children
[09:24] <esc> im fine on 5 hours
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> what about me?
[09:24] <intelikey> second childhood    meh
[09:24] <esc> im 27 tho
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> should I worry about this?
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> or just chill
[09:24] <Jucato> JaydeInflux: what seems to be the problem?
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> i'm not tired
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> LOL
[09:25] <ind> i am on a campus..i don't know the ip
[09:25] <notech> tanlaan: depends on the duration. 2 or 3 for a few nights i can do
[09:25] <tanlaan> hmm well i think i should get to bed so i can wake up early
[09:25] <tanlaan> and only be on 4 hours of sleep
[09:25] <esc> coffee is good, by the way
[09:25] <Skrot-> ind: Wlan or ethernet?
[09:25] <mervteck> yes coffiee is my friend
[09:25] <tanlaan> yea
[09:25] <esc> I am a coffee fiend
[09:25] <Skrot-> Wlan is more likely to screw you over :P
[09:25] <tanlaan> thats what im gonna make when i wake up
[09:25] <mervteck> ive got around... 10 cups in me or so
[09:26] <ind> ethernet
[09:26] <esc> whoa...10 cups?
[09:26] <mervteck> yeah over 2 days strate and im still goin
[09:26] <tanlaan> oo ive got something nice for all of you :D
[09:26] <esc> im about 3 a day
[09:26] <intelikey> mervteck is it still early for you ?
[09:26] <esc> 2 in the morning one in the late afternoon
[09:26] <mervteck> oh yeah.. its 12 atm but it feals like 6am
[09:27] <tanlaan> http://youtube.com/watch?v=f3zvN1-Gits&mode=related&search=
[09:27] <intelikey> ecs i don't do java  but me ole man used to drink about 3 pots of coffee a day
[09:28] <tanlaan> you all should love that :D
[09:28] <intelikey> some times four or five.  but three was avarage
[09:28] <esc> sounds like my kind of man
[09:28] <esc> why arent you into coffee?
[09:28] <ind> esc---so, what must be fixed in resolv.conf?
[09:28] <intelikey> yuch
[09:28] <esc> its an aquired taste, for sure
[09:28] <esc> like beer
[09:28] <Skrot-> tanlaan: lol.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:30] <esc> hack the gibson
[09:30] <intelikey> hackers ?
[09:30] <Skrot-> I love movie OSes
[09:30] <tanlaan> hack the planet!
[09:30] <tanlaan> Skrot-: omg i want one!
[09:31] <tanlaan> btw if you want to know what they look like, check out...i believe part 10
[09:31] <tanlaan> haha
[09:31] <tanlaan> maybe part 9
[09:31] <premier_> hello
[09:31] <intelikey> what's hackers ?
[09:31] <Skrot-> I love the gibson firewall
[09:31] <tanlaan> bah i need sleep, night all
[09:31] <tanlaan> intelikey: its a movie
[09:31] <Skrot-> intelikey: A movie about hacking (fiction)
[09:31] <premier_> Linux just crashed for me...  I needed to reboot
[09:31] <Skrot-> Or rather cracking
 Linux just crashed for me...  I needed to reboot <<<<  ?
[09:32] <ind> esc-skrot--I have no problem with ie in windows....but problem in konqueror...
[09:32] <Skrot-> ind: Im out of ideas :(
[09:32] <premier_> I was transfering a big (1.4gig) movie file to an exteranal hard drive, and I right clicked on the icon for my external hard drive, and everything stopped, even the music
[09:32] <intelikey> premier_ what will a reboot help ?
[09:33] <premier_> I could still move the mouse, but nothing responded
[09:33] <premier_> I dont know, what should I do in the future if that happens?
[09:33] <intelikey> kill what's hanging it ?
[09:33] <ind> ok..thanx for all
[09:34] <esc> killall
[09:34] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:34] <premier_> ctrl+alt backspace didnt respond
[09:35] <intelikey> alt+SysRQ+E   ?
[09:35] <Skrot-> what does that one do?
[09:35] <intelikey> emergancy killall5
[09:36] <intelikey> well maybe not exactly killall5 but close
[09:37] <intelikey> premier muct have gotten something out of that one.
[09:37] <intelikey> must even
[09:38] <mervteck> can anyone help me in pm getting wine?
[09:38] <mervteck> sudo apt-get install wine didnt work
[09:38] <Skrot-> What was the error?
[09:38] <intelikey> mervteck i told you enable the universe repo
[09:39] <mervteck> oh u did? well how i do that lol
[09:39] <intelikey> mervteck if you don't know how and reading the link that !repos spit at you just say that.
[09:39] <intelikey> !repos
[09:39] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:39] <mervteck> oi i did that already iut didnt work =\
[09:40] <mervteck> oi wate
[09:40] <mervteck> i missed a vital step >.<
[09:40] <intelikey> mervteck did you "apply" the changes    or sudo apt-get update    after you made the changes ?
[09:41] <mervteck> i applied the changes
[09:41] <premier_> it just did it again.  Looks like a super corrupt movie file
[09:41] <mervteck> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt this is what winehq told me to add
[09:42] <premier_> yeah, what was alt+sysR
[09:42] <intelikey> mervteck yeah.  but that's not what i mentioned.    use the one you want to use.
[09:42] <premier_> alt+sysRQ+E supposed to do?
[09:42] <intelikey> premier_ killall5
[09:42] <premier_> okay
[09:42] <dwidmann> Yay!
[09:43] <premier_> intelikey: what is that?
[09:43] <ForgeAus> how do I get Xnest (or xserver-xephyr) working with kubuntu?
[09:43] <ForgeAus> it tries to load another active display while one is running
[09:43] <ForgeAus> wait no I think I said that wrong
[09:44] <ForgeAus> tries to load another active xserver while theres already one active
[09:44] <ForgeAus> (for display 0)
[09:44] <dwidmann> df /media/storage: /dev/mapper/storage-media - used: 528 / 634257408 - hooray for lvm
[09:44] <intelikey> premier_  should set the machine back to the bare kernel+init  and you can login and do   init 3          if it works correctly....
[09:45] <premier_> oh
[09:45] <intelikey> sudo init 3
[09:45] <ind> esc--when i tried to type the proxy without http:// , it will be added automatically by konqueror...do u know how to disable it?
[09:45] <premier_> well, maybe that explains it, because my console windows dont work because I have a faulty graphics driver (ati blah blah blah) so I kept on getting "colorful" screens
[09:46] <intelikey> premier_ you can fix that with vga= on the boot line
[09:47] <premier_> vga= what?
[09:47] <premier_> or just that?
[09:47] <intelikey> add  'vga=0x0f05 quiet silent'       and remove  'splash'
[09:47] <premier_> okay
[09:48] <intelikey> or vga=ask
[09:48] <intelikey> or vga=normal
[09:48] <intelikey> any of the three
[09:48] <premier_> will that change my "kubuntu" logo on bootup?
[09:48] <intelikey> up to the point that xorg starts.  yes.
[09:48] <premier_> okay
[09:49] <intelikey> you loose the splash screen
[09:49] <Skrot-> btw, will feisty support splash-images in higher res/more colors etc?
[09:49] <intelikey> plain text startup
[09:49] <_4strO> yop
[09:49] <intelikey> but if frame buffering is hosed that's worth nothing.
[09:50] <premier_> intelikey: sometimes linux will hang on boot for me. Will this fix it?
[09:50] <intelikey> premier_ probably not.   but it is possable
[09:50] <premier_> hmmm...
[09:51] <premier_> intelikey: do you know what could be causing that?  Ive had some trouble with acpi
[09:51] <intelikey> you can delete the 'quiet silent' from the kernel line and it might clue you in as to why its hanging
[09:51] <premier_> okay
[09:51] <esc> I always boot in text
[09:51] <intelikey> key word "might"
[09:51] <esc> always good thing to do. not sure why ubuntu wants to hide that from users
[09:51] <intelikey> esc me too
[09:52] <Skrot-> esc: Beacause most user don't have a clue about what all that text means
[09:52] <intelikey> esc they want to be a M$'ish as they can i guess
[09:52] <esc> intelikely: good thing we can change that
[09:52] <intelikey> s/ a / as /
[09:52] <dwidmann> because they are afraid they might scare new users if they let cryptic text scroll by
[09:53] <premier_> > /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda3 ro vga=normal noapic nolapic  < is that good?
[09:53] <intelikey> dwidmann that's kinda what i said
[09:53] <esc> vga=771 by the way makes the text more readable...
[09:53] <Skrot-> ofcourse.. hiding the text is a good thing, as long as it's possible to get the text back if you need it
[09:53] <dwidmann> Indeed, I just rephrased it
[09:53] <intelikey> premier_ looks good to me
[09:53] <dwidmann> skrot, it's in one of the /var/logs, I think, I forget which one
[09:53] <premier_> thanks
[09:54] <intelikey> dmesg
[09:54] <esc> I dont even have usplash installed
[09:54] <esc> which helps even more
[09:54] <dwidmann> usplash looks horrible in 64-bit kubuntu :(
[09:54] <dwidmann> I turn usplash off as an act of mercy on my eyes
[09:55] <premier_> dwidmann: How do you like 64-bit otherwise?  Im gonna build my own computer this summer
[09:55] <esc> do you guys use kdm?
[09:55] <Skrot-> I do
[09:55] <dwidmann> I like it fine
[09:55] <intelikey> esc !i
[09:55] <dwidmann> esc: yes
[09:56] <intelikey> esc imo kdm is evil
[09:56] <Skrot-> Don't like the default kubuntu edgy KDM theme though
[09:56] <esc> no kdm for me
[09:56] <esc> just straight into console + startx
[09:56] <premier_> whats wrong with kdm?
[09:56] <esc> im a nerd like that
[09:56] <Skrot-> the linux world can be divided into two; those who like eyecandy and those who like mindcandy :P
[09:56] <intelikey> xdm or gdm    but no kdm.
[09:56] <dwidmann> I have a variety of sessions set up ... I need some sort of dm ...
[09:57] <esc> yeah I like to see all the cool text
[09:57] <Skrot-> Doesn't usplash have a key to disable graphical boot and return to text?
[09:57] <intelikey> Skrot- lol   never heard it put that way before
[09:57] <franx> hi there folks
[09:57] <esc> Skrot: no idea
[09:57] <franx> sorry to bother everyone, but i have a firefox and kubuntu questions.
[09:57] <esc> whats up franx
[09:58] <franx> or question as the case is
[09:58] <franx> hi esx
[09:58] <franx> esc
[09:58] <franx> sorry
[09:58] <dwidmann> Please don't divide me :s
[09:58] <esc> ^
[09:58] <Skrot-> It was more of a joke really, I too like them both ;)
[09:58] <intelikey> you are already devided dwidmann
[09:58] <esc> so whats up franx
[09:58] <franx> i want to click on a .torrent file and it come up with open with azureus. at the moment it doesnt come up with it dispite me associating it in kde
[09:58] <franx> anyone?
[09:58] <franx> sorry
[09:58] <franx> in firefox
[09:59] <esc> you probably should associate in firefox as well
[09:59] <franx> yes i know
[09:59] <franx> i cant figure out a way to do that
[09:59] <franx> has anyone successfully done that and can talk me through it?
[09:59] <esc> yeah
[09:59] <franx> firefox 2.0 i think is the standard in edgy
[09:59] <esc> I dont have firefox installed, tho...so off the top of my head
[09:59] <franx> k
[09:59] <esc> um
[09:59] <mervteck> gahhh E: Package wine has no installation candidate >.< and ive done everything from that link
[10:00] <esc> do you see the option to "ask where to download"?
[10:00] <esc> uncheck that
[10:00] <franx> k
[10:00] <esc> and then download a torrent
[10:00] <esc> and a prompt should come up
[10:00] <dwidmann> mervteck: easiest way to get it is to just direct download it from wine.budgetdedicated.com
[10:00] <intelikey> mervteck do one more thing.    sudo apt-get update       in konsole and see if it errors out
[10:00] <esc> and then select ktorrent & check "always use"
[10:00] <intelikey> dwidmann it's in the universe repo
[10:01] <franx> i dont think there is a always use check
[10:01] <esc> yeah there is
[10:01] <dwidmann> intelikey, sure, probably an outdated version though
[10:01] <mervteck> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:01] <mervteck> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:01] <intelikey> yes of course.  maybe a month or more old......
[10:01] <mervteck> i guess it did >.<
[10:01] <franx> ahh ye i see it
[10:02] <franx> i still want it to give me the option tho
[10:02] <esc> I kind of miss firefox...I tried to use konq 100% but its not as functional as firefox...but I do like the speeds of konq
[10:02] <franx> not auto open azureus
[10:02] <esc> then dont check it
[10:02] <dwidmann> wine.budgetdedicated.com = practically hot off the keyboard
[10:02] <Jucato> not as functional?
[10:02] <intelikey> mervteck there's your error.   it's in the /etc/apt/sources.list  file
[10:03] <esc> Jucato: yeah there's a couple odd things I like to do that konq just cant do
[10:03] <esc> or at least as far as I know
[10:03] <mervteck> so what would i change in the sources.list file or should i not touch it >.<
[10:03] <Jucato> esc: example?
[10:03] <vinboy_> how do I check if any package is depending on <abc package> before I remove it?
[10:03] <dennis> hallo! ich mchte aus einem cronjob heraus ein php skript aufrufen, finde aber nirgendwo die bin von php. habe jetzt auch php5-cgi installiert, wenn ich das aufrufe kann ich keine mysql funktionen nutzen. kann mir da jemand helfen?
[10:03] <intelikey> esc does   #bash    or   !bash  work in ff ?
[10:03] <Skrot-> !de
[10:03] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:03] <intelikey> or trash:/
[10:04] <Skrot-> Screw Sonnet, they could just use me
[10:04] <intelikey> or media:/  for that matter
[10:04] <Jucato> vinboy_: you will be asked when you try to remove something that others depend on
[10:04] <vinboy_> ic
[10:04] <vinboy_> thanks
[10:05] <esc> Jucato: forge referral info, home button takes you to files rather than homepage, cant move the close tab button or move the open new tab button elsewhere
[10:05] <esc> lots of things like that
[10:05] <franx> ahh cool thanks esc
[10:05] <franx> =]
[10:05] <intelikey> vinboy_ sudo apt-get remove <abc>   if nothing is depending on it it should remove else it should list the deps and ask for permission to remove them all
[10:05] <Jucato> esc: ah, you're right then :)
[10:05] <dwidmann> esc: for all things konq can't do, there's always window -> show terminal emulator
[10:05] <franx> beryl == krad
[10:05] <esc> yeah, im trying to get used to konq...
[10:05] <mervteck> guys whats an X server? cuz im trying to install my nvidia drivers
[10:05] <vinboy_> ok thanks intelikey
[10:06] <esc> I might just go back to firefox...
[10:06] <franx> esc what do you use?
[10:06] <esc> but firefox is so slow loading
[10:06] <esc> konqueror
[10:06] <franx> tru
[10:06] <franx> beryl also
[10:06] <franx> ?
[10:06] <franx> cos its krad
[10:06] <max__> hi guys
[10:06] <Skrot-> beryl = crap, wait for kde 4 :P
[10:06] <dwidmann> hi max__
[10:06] <franx> plus its got the name that you associate with mingin chix
[10:06] <Jucato> Skrot-: you mean krap, don't you? :P
[10:07] <Skrot-> sure, krap :p
[10:07] <max__> happy to use kubuntu...i left windows...and mac os
[10:07] <max__> XD
[10:07] <esc> anyone know a way to preload firefox like konq is preloaded?
[10:07] <dwidmann> nay, beryl isn't worthy of the k :P
[10:07] <dennis> hi! i installed php5 but cannot find a php5 or php binary for use in a cron job. then i installed php5-cgi but there i cannot use mysql functions. can anyone help me plz?
[10:07] <franx> it runs a bit slow on this 1.4/64geforce2 tho
[10:07] <intelikey> esc can put the close tab button on each tab   set your home page to file://home/username   and what else did you say ???
[10:07] <mervteck> are there reskins of kde i can dl and install like there are custom themes for XP?
[10:07] <franx> mervteck: beryl
[10:07] <franx> hhaha
[10:07] <franx> =P
[10:07] <mervteck> XD
[10:08] <mervteck> hey franx whats an X server?
[10:08] <dwidmann> mervteck: http://www.kde-look.org
[10:08] <max__> i use a 56k, ho could i download the italian package for kubunut
[10:08] <max__> ?
[10:08] <franx> i really want to stream tv so i can watch it at work
[10:08] <esc> intelikely: I mean, I want the home page to open up a webpage in konq-browser and then home button to open up /home/esc in konq-file
[10:08] <mervteck> oo ty dwidmann
[10:08] <Skrot-> esc: Konq has some issues with the whole split personality indeed
[10:09] <mervteck> lol is there an XP look for KDE?  I mean the home button on konq itself
[10:10] <franx> good luck kubutors
[10:10] <mervteck> is kubuntu running kde3?
[10:11] <mervteck> err 3.2
[10:11] <intelikey> yeah
[10:11] <esc> 355
[10:11] <dwidmann> the only place you can really set the home button for konq itself is in konqueror -> settings -> configure konqueror ... right there in the middle of the page ...
[10:11] <mervteck> or higher
[10:11] <intelikey> 3.4 on dapper i think  3.5 on edgy
[10:11] <dwidmann> Of course, the problem with that esc is that it affects file browsing as well
[10:11] <esc> yup.
[10:11] <mervteck> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499 take a look guy its pretty bad >.<
[10:11] <dwidmann> 3.5.5 on edgy ... and it shouldn't be long til 3.5.6 is released
[10:11] <esc> I want to have my cake and eat it too
[10:11] <max__> hey,  the terminal says that has changed the olds packeges (in english) with the italian but i can't see the difference, should i reboot?
[10:12] <intelikey> the different profiles can use different home pages         no ?
[10:12] <dwidmann> mervteck: I'm surprised it's at a 66% rating
[10:13] <intelikey> max log out and back in
[10:13] <max__> ah ok
[10:13] <esc> intelikey: as far as I can tell you can only have one true home page.
[10:13] <max__> bye!
[10:14] <mervteck> anyone know of a good black with orange font skin for kde?
[10:14] <esc> font skin?
[10:15] <mervteck> err a skin for kde thats got orange font and blackish everything else lol
[10:15] <intelikey> mervteck use kcontrol and set the colours the way you like
[10:15] <esc> yeah just do it yourself
[10:15] <max__> yes!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:15] <intelikey> roll your own    i always did.
[10:15] <max__> is in italian!!!!
[10:15] <max__> thank you!
[10:15] <max__> XD
[10:15] <intelikey> you're welcome
[10:16] <intelikey> max__ you can say hello to jucato in italian now   lol :)
[10:16] <Jucato> :O
[10:16] <max__> ah
[10:16] <max__> lol
[10:16] <max__> ciao!
[10:16] <Jucato> hola!
[10:16] <Jucato> salve!
[10:17] <max__> como estas?
[10:17] <max__> XD
[10:17] <elyon> Hello, everyone.
[10:17] <Jucato> no hablo espaol :P
[10:17] <max__> lol
[10:17] <esc> whats up elyon
[10:18] <elyon> I'm about to reinstall Kubuntu but I have a couple of questions.  I have a separate partition for my /home partition.  I would like to keep that as is but I'm curious... will all my program settings (for Firefox, etc) be maintained?  Or will installing the applications again overwrite the information?
[10:19] <esc> that's all in /home
[10:19] <dwidmann> elyon, yes, they'll be maintained
[10:19] <elyon> Basically, I don't know what to expect as far as reusing that partition.
[10:19] <esc> should be at least
[10:19] <max__> lol
[10:19] <elyon> intelikey: Huh? lol
[10:19] <cyprene> What's wrong with Elyon?
[10:19] <max__> ah, how could i download a mp3 codec?
[10:20] <intelikey> ok so you are saying that in a different language... that's ok then
[10:20] <max__> sorry..but with kubuntu i'm noob
[10:20] <dwidmann> !mpe | max__
[10:20] <esc> !codec
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <max__> ok
[10:20] <esc> !codecs
[10:20] <dwidmann> !mp3 | max__
[10:20] <ubotu> max__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:20] <elyon> dwidmann: So when I reinstall Kubuntu, I should only have to setup new users and point them to the current /home directories, right?  Everything else should remain the same?
[10:20] <dwidmann> elyon, right
[10:21] <dwidmann> system setting files (anything in /etc) will be lost though'
[10:21] <max__> bye and thank you
[10:21] <esc> so when you reinstall around a /home, all you do is basically dont touch that one partition but erase/reformat the others?
[10:21] <intelikey> oh you may not be registered...    dis reguard.
[10:21] <dwidmann> esc, yup
[10:21] <elyon> esc: Exactly what I was about to ask :)
[10:22] <esc> but reinstalling is the fun part
[10:22] <mervteck> ahh mutch better nice and grey XD
[10:22] <esc> heh
[10:22] <elyon> esc: Is it tough to tell the installer NOT to touch that partition but to use it as the /home mount?
[10:22] <intelikey> i used to say.   "i reload twice a week whether i need too or not."   :)
[10:22] <esc> never done it before
[10:23] <dwidmann> elyon, well, there are many reasons why I don't trust the live installer. Be very careful.
[10:23] <elyon> intelikey: I'm hoping this will be the last time I'll have to.
[10:23] <mervteck> so anyone know why when i install my video drivers from nvidia it says there is an X server running and i need to close it. anyone know what it is XD
[10:23] <dwidmann> Or just use the alternate disk
[10:23] <esc> ^
[10:23] <esc> alt disk is good
[10:23] <intelikey> i don't think i've installed in about 8/10 months now.
[10:24] <intelikey> maybe longer.
[10:24] <esc> I enjoy reinstalling each ubuntu release
[10:24] <elyon> dwidmann: Where do I get the alternate disc?  And I wouldn't have to compile or anything with that, would I?  Installs just like the Live?
[10:24] <dwidmann> elyon, it works just like the live, except it's a text mode installer. You can get it from www.kubuntu.org
[10:24] <mervteck> anyone else use konversation?
[10:24] <esc> konversation rules
[10:24] <intelikey> install with ether the gui or in text mode
[10:24] <dwidmann> konversation is nice
[10:24] <mervteck> yup yup!
[10:24] <intelikey> elyon ^
[10:25] <elyon> hmm... text mode.  How advanced? lol
[10:25] <mervteck> smooth cleen and low resorces
[10:25] <elyon> ah
[10:25] <esc> it's pretty easy...just ugly
[10:25] <elyon> mervteck: Konversation kicks X-Chat's butt.
[10:25] <esc> same as the livecd install...just fugly
[10:25] <intelikey> errr dvd that is.    the alternate is just text mode.
[10:25] <mervteck> i hear that elyon!
[10:25] <elyon> esc: Then we'll have something in common... I can handle that ;)
[10:26] <dwidmann> esc, it used all of its points in the reliability category instead of charisma, apparently
[10:26] <intelikey> esc no not "<esc> same as the livecd install...just fugly"   more flexable.
[10:26] <esc> thats true
[10:26] <mervteck> lol im running konversation, kopete running 4 messenger services 8 browsers and 2 games and its only using 10 percent of my proc XD
[10:26] <elyon> dwidmann: I've been looking on kubuntu.org, but I can't find the link for alternate cd.
[10:26] <esc> I take that back...if you want to do a console install, its great...livecd cannot do that
[10:26] <esc> which I highly recommend by the way
[10:27] <mervteck> anyone ever used DSL
[10:27] <intelikey> well said
[10:27] <esc> console install ~~> kde-core
[10:27] <intelikey> mervteck yeah
[10:27] <mervteck> did u like it
[10:27] <intelikey> esc kde-base
[10:27] <esc> kde-base is just without arts right?
[10:27] <elyon> esc: I originally installed Ubuntu and then installed kubuntu-desktop.  THEN was told I shouldn't have lol.  So I'm just going to do a fresh Kubuntu install.
[10:28] <intelikey> mervteck for what it is.  it's minimalest.   i like minimalest...
[10:28] <dwidmann> one sec elyon, while I grab t hat link
[10:28] <elyon> dwidmann: They have one for Edgy, right?
[10:28] <dwidmann> I find console install + kde-core to be light enough
[10:28] <esc> elyon: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:28] <dwidmann> elyon, yes, they do
[10:28] <intelikey> mervteck it will install on a 50m partition  with full xorg.
[10:29] <mervteck> XD yeah ive got one of there mini systems XD
[10:29] <premier_> could you guys point me to information that would tell me about linux hardware compatibility?
[10:29] <esc> !hardware
[10:29] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:29] <dwidmann> I picked a random mirror elyon, but here's the list of files
[10:29] <dwidmann> ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[10:29] <mervteck> ok i got my wine file guys how do i install it through console?
[10:29] <elyon> dwidmann: I'm in the US ;)
[10:29] <mervteck> konsole *
[10:29] <elyon> dwidmann: Where is the list of mirrors?
[10:29] <intelikey> mervteck but i can install a linux system that i can deal with on a 5m partition cli only   :)        so go figure.
[10:30] <dwidmann> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[10:30] <esc> mervteck: what wine files?
[10:30] <elyon> dwidmann: OHHH, I see it now... under OTHER installation methods.
[10:30] <mervteck> intelikey: aww show off XD
[10:30] <elyon> Sorry for wasting your time... but thank you :)
[10:30] <mervteck> esc: lol i type like shit lol sorry its all the files to install wine
[10:30] <intelikey> elyon it's never a waste of time.
[10:30] <dwidmann> no time has been wasted
[10:31] <esc> elyon: get alt .iso not the server .iso...I made that mistake once
[10:31] <dwidmann> at least none that wasn't going to get wasted to begin with ;)
[10:31] <elyon> :P
[10:31] <esc> mervteck: ..and what files are those? why not just install via repos
[10:31] <intelikey> and sorry for the "name" thang.   i just read it with a hebrew slant.
[10:31] <mervteck> cuz i tried repos it didnt work so i jsut dled it
[10:31] <esc> source?
[10:31] <elyon> Now, when I boot up the alt CD, does the installation start automatically?
[10:32] <mervteck> wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb is the exact name
[10:32] <elyon> I haven't done a text-based installation since DOS 6 ;)
[10:32] <dwidmann> elyon, it'll look about the same as if you had booted up the live cd, just select install and you'll be good to go
[10:32] <esc> mervteck: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[10:32] <elyon> dwidmann: Excellent... thank you.
[10:32] <premier_> the information on the compatibility list tends to pertain to dapper or earlier...  If I plan to use edgy, is that a problem?
[10:32] <dwidmann> and it's text mode, not just text ... like an ncurses interface, or whatever those things are called
[10:32] <mervteck> sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[10:32] <mervteck> err
[10:32] <mervteck> 1 sec
[10:32] <mervteck> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[10:33] <intelikey> elyon kubuntu 6.6 is the first gui based install i've done sense about that long.   and i hate it.      hate it with a purple passion.
[10:33] <dwidmann> intelikey, then you would have a heart attack if you saw my current theme. You can't get much more purply than this.
[10:33] <elyon> intelikey: I'm a nerd, but sometimes I just want to get the job done quickly ;)
[10:34] <intelikey> wouldn't advise my worst enemy to use the ubuntu live cd to install.....
[10:34] <esc> heh
[10:34] <mervteck> anyone wanna help me install wine with remote desktop? XD
[10:34] <dwidmann> intelikey: I would
[10:34] <mena> I installed Azurues and when i open it it closed after loadin
[10:34] <intelikey> well maybe my worst.....
[10:34] <mena> Any onw now why
[10:34] <esc> mervteck: did you do dpkg?
[10:35] <mena> one*
[10:35] <mervteck> dunno what it is so ide say no
[10:35] <elyon> intelikey: So what is the difference?
[10:35] <esc> mervteck: put the .deb into your home folder
[10:35] <esc> and then open a terminal
[10:35] <mervteck> k 1 sec
[10:36] <esc> and type without quotes "sudo dpkg -i wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb"
[10:36] <intelikey> elyon well i can actually get the text installer to work  but if you don't just click yes to everything and let it do what ever it wants   i can't get the gui installer to do anything but piss me off.
[10:36] <dwidmann> elyon: the main difference is reliability. The alternate disk has it, the live disk doesn't
[10:37] <esc> I didnt realize the livecd was so buggy
[10:37] <dennis> can anyone tell me why i cannot use the mysql functions in php command line (i installed php5-cli and php5-mysql)?
[10:37] <esc> never used it to install
[10:37] <intelikey> !lamp
[10:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:37] <dwidmann> esc: the live cd is new, as of about a year and a half ago, or something like that. Very buggy. I tested the feisty herd 2 live cd today, guess what, it crashed.
[10:37] <mena> !azurues
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about azurues - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <esc> yeah I remember when all that started development...espresso?
[10:38] <esc> or something
[10:38] <intelikey> the live cd installer came out with dapper
[10:38] <elyon> dwidmann: I definitely like the idea of a Live CD for distros, though...
[10:38] <intelikey> i think
[10:38] <elyon> dwidmann: It's prevented me from installing a few stinkers :)
[10:39] <intelikey> i have nothing particular against the live cd     it's the gui installer that me hates
[10:39] <max__> HI
[10:39] <dwidmann> ubiquity-frontend-kde = buggy, crashy, unreliable
[10:39] <mervteck> esc check ur pm
[10:40] <esc> mervteck: yeah I got it...cant respond...im not registered
[10:40] <mervteck> XD
[10:40] <esc> yes..put it in your home
[10:40] <mervteck> so /home/username, put it in there?
[10:40] <esc> yes
[10:40] <mervteck> k i did that then put in the command u said to and it failed
[10:40] <esc> what was the error
[10:41] <mervteck> i think its cuz im still in desktop
[10:41] <mervteck> cuz earlier i put in cd desktop for another install
[10:43] <max__> ehm.. how could i dowload the italian package for openoffice? with apt-get?
[10:44] <Skrot-> max_: Probably apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-it
[10:44] <mervteck> esc why dont u register?
[10:44] <max__> ah ok..thank you
[10:44] <esc> lazy
[10:45] <esc> doing it now
[10:45] <intelikey> l10n ?    not  i18n ?
[10:48] <intelikey> max__ let me give you a quick search string for things like that.     apt-cache search italian | grep <filter string here>        filter could be    openoffice   kde    gnome    or anything else.
[10:49] <intelikey> makes it easier for you, any you don't have to keep asking.
[10:49] <mervteck> OI! i finally get the package to install and its an i386 and im running 64x! >.<
[10:49] <mervteck> mutany i tell you!
[10:49] <intelikey> mervteck lol why didn't you say so.  there is no wine for k8  afik
[10:50] <intelikey> afaik
[10:50] <max__> but to update un download i have to write sudo apt-get install AND the name of application?
[10:50] <intelikey> yes
[10:50] <intelikey> max__ or use a frontend   like adept  or synaptic
[10:50] <mervteck> areu  kidding me intel?? so i have no wine?!
[10:51] <intelikey> !wine
[10:51] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:51] <intelikey> !chroot
[10:51] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:51] <max__> ok..but with adept...i'm using 56k and download a lot of thing that i don't need
[10:51] <mervteck> i need to be able to run CS CSS and 2142 X.X thats it
[10:51] <intelikey> that's the only solution i know of. mervteck
[10:52] <mervteck> chroot?
[10:52] <mervteck> is it like and emulation in an emulation? lol
[10:53] <max__> bye and thank you!!!!!!!
[10:53] <intelikey> max__ don't know about that.   apt will grab dependancies too.    if you don't believe it do   sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop      and look at the list.    you can say   N   to the question....
[10:53] <intelikey> mervteck it's a 32 bit env running in the 64bit system.
[10:53] <mervteck> oo
[10:53] <intelikey> real not emulated.
[10:54] <intelikey> wine = wine is not an emulator
[10:54] <mervteck> so which one do i download, cuz i dunno if im running breezy or whatever they are >.<
[10:54] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[10:55] <mervteck> whats is dapper or breezy?
[10:56] <intelikey> 6.6 and 5.10 respectivly
[10:56] <intelikey> edgy is 6.10
[10:56] <mervteck> kk
[10:56] <intelikey> the release numbers are   year.month
[10:57] <mervteck> ooo thats neat
[10:57] <intelikey> some say  6.06   but the month is still 6
[10:57] <mervteck> damn it i need to learn all i can about Linux
[10:57] <intelikey> feist fon will be  7.4  if it releases on schedual
[10:58] <mervteck> whats feist fon?
[10:58] <intelikey> *buntu uses a six month life cycle.
[10:58] <intelikey> with LTS versions.
[10:58] <intelikey> !lts
[10:58] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:58] <intelikey> !feisty
[10:58] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:58] <mervteck> a 6 month life cycle?
[10:58] <pgdown> ok im all registered. esc is now pgdown. just so you people know
[10:59] <mervteck> rgr that!
[10:59] <mervteck> welcome back
[10:59] <pgdown> I had to try every keyboard button name
[10:59] <pgdown> oddly enough, most were already taken
[10:59] <mervteck> XD
[11:00] <intelikey> nothing odd about that    a lot of people reg. more than one nick    and look at the number of users on freenode.
[11:00] <mervteck> i love rightclick> package menu > install its my best friend XD
[11:01] <mervteck> XD
[11:01] <mervteck> i have lots of friends i jsut wanna learn linux
[11:01] <pgdown> m
[11:02] <mervteck> there fun is getting stoned, mine is learning aobut stuff like this
[11:02] <pgdown> I like to get stoned and learn linux
[11:02] <mervteck> XD
[11:02] <intelikey> aout stuff
[11:02] <intelikey> ?
[11:02] <intelikey> oh about stuff.
[11:02] <intelikey> was going to say linux is mostly elf not aout now days.
[11:03] <mervteck> ok i installed the debootstrapchroot
[11:04] <intelikey> and using a script that is generally frowned upon....
[11:04] <pgdown> haha
[11:05] <intelikey> think i will too
[11:05] <intelikey> Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-27-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU none | CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor @ 351 Mhz | Mem usage: 36.5/249.2 MB (15%) | Swap usage: unavailable | Disk usage(/dev/dev): 6.7/10.3 GB (65%) | Uptime: 11 hrs 59 mins 31 secs  |  Local Time: 04:05:55 CST | Connection:  Received: 0.0 KB,  packets Sent: 0.0 KB,  packets | Users: 0 | Load: 0.00
[11:06] <intelikey> hehhe the network stats may be a little less than accurate....  :)
[11:06] <mervteck> anyone know if cadega has 64X support?
[11:07] <intelikey> !cedega
[11:07] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:07] <pgdown> Random Fortune: Ok, I'm just uploading the new version of the kernel, v1.3.33, also known as "the buggiest kernel ever". 	-- Linus Torvalds
[11:08] <mervteck> i know what it is =P but is it x64 compatable?
[11:08] <elyon> Okay... last question before reinstalling.  What is the KDE partition manager called?
[11:09] <pgdown> called the gparted live cd
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> sweet
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> i remembe this
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> r*
[11:09] <pgdown> just kidding
[11:09] <intelikey> pgdown kernel versions are coded  number.odd == unstabel buggy        number.even == stable
[11:09] <elyon> pgdown: I'm not using the live cd :)
[11:09] <pgdown> qtparted is one...but I think it's not so good
[11:10] <elyon> pgdown: What do YOU use?
[11:10] <pgdown> gparted live cd
[11:10] <intelikey> !parted
[11:10] <ubotu> parted: The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7.1-2.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 156 kB
[11:10] <pgdown> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:11] <intelikey> parted is on the alternate install cd  iirc
[11:11] <JaydeInflux> great
[11:11] <JaydeInflux> i guess my linux partition is fully updated//secure
[11:12] <intelikey>  Mem usage: 36.5/249.2 MB (15%)
[11:12] <intelikey> not bad for having konqueror running
[11:13] <pgdown> how'd you get that stat
[11:13] <intelikey> it's a script.
[11:13] <intelikey> i typed /sis -m    but you don't have it.
[11:13] <pgdown> well damn
[11:14] <pgdown> ok I gotta sleep
[11:14] <pgdown> later everyone
[11:15] <intelikey> you can write one  just  cut the output of free -m
[11:15] <intelikey> later.
[11:16] <mervteck> anyone know of other emulation programs like wine and cadega thats got X64 support?
[11:16] <Jucato> !away | pgdown
[11:16] <ubotu> pgdown: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[11:16] <Jucato> oops
[11:16] <Jucato> !away > pgdown
[11:21] <intelikey> let me see                                                                  echo "Mem usage: `free -m | grep -e "-/+" | cut -d' ' -f7-13 | tr -d ' '`/`free -m | grep -e "-/+" | cut -d' ' -f14- | tr -d ' '` MB"                                                   and a little awk or bc math to enhance it.
[11:21] <ForgeAus> what repository is seamonkey in?
[11:22] <intelikey> !seamonkey
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <intelikey> doesn't seem to be.
[11:23] <dwidmann> !guidelines > dwidmann
[11:23] <intelikey> !guidelines | dwidmann
[11:23] <ubotu> dwidmann: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:24] <dwidmann> hmmm, > = to self in a pm, very nice :)
[11:24] <dwidmann> or, to > target rather
[11:24] <intelikey> actually yeah that.
[11:24] <intelikey>  /msg ubotu blan     == to self in pm
[11:25] <intelikey> me wonders if < works....
[11:26] <intelikey> !botsnack < ubotu
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnack < ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <intelikey> nope.
[11:26] <intelikey> !< help
[11:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:30] <mervteck> can anyone tell me hwo to get my audio devices to work right? i have no sound with kaffeine
[11:30] <intelikey> !sound
[11:30] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:31] <intelikey> wb Jucato
[11:31] <mervteck> kk
[11:31] <dwidmann> mervtec, do you have sound with everything else?
[11:32] <mervteck> no i have no sound at all
[11:32] <_dane> me either
[11:32] <_dane> i need to get music going
[11:32] <mervteck> ive got a usb headset plugged in as well as an sb live sound card installed
[11:32] <_dane> i lost my admin password
[11:33] <Jucato> thanks intelikey
[11:33] <intelikey> !sound | _dane
[11:33] <ubotu> _dane: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:33] <_dane> well not sound.. i got that
[11:33] <_dane> i need to access my ntfs partitions
[11:33] <_dane> but the /etc/conf file is locked
[11:33] <intelikey> !ntfs
[11:33] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:33] <_dane> thx
[11:33] <_dane> !fuse
[11:33] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:33] <_dane> meh don't need to fuse
[11:33] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[11:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:33] <_dane> just ro is fine
[11:34] <_dane> hmm
[11:34] <intelikey> you can do that by simply mounting it
[11:34] <_dane> do i use dapper or edgy?
[11:34] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[11:34] <intelikey> in konsole ^
[11:34] <_dane> k
[11:35] <_dane> event not found
[11:35] <_dane> wait
[11:35] <_dane> LOL
[11:35] <_dane> nm
[11:35] <_dane> nope.. hmm
[11:35] <_dane> !sb_release
[11:35] <_dane> :\
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <_dane> *sigh*
[11:35] <intelikey> it's Lsb
[11:35] <mervteck> gahh i need my sound
[11:35] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[11:36] <intelikey> type it.
[11:36] <mervteck> why cant it jsut say my sound card name =\
[11:36] <_dane> hrm
[11:36] <intelikey> !lsb_release
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <_dane> how do i recover a lost root password in ubuntu
[11:37] <intelikey> !lsb-base
[11:37] <ubotu> lsb-base: Linux Standard Base 3.1 init script functionality. In component main, is required. Version 3.1-10ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 76 kB
[11:37] <intelikey> _dane what do you mean "lost"  did you ever set a root passwd ?
[11:38] <intelikey> !root | _dane
[11:38] <ubotu> _dane: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:40] <mervteck> eww i cant believe im considering going back to suse >.<
[11:40] <intelikey> that page will tell you to never set a root passwd.  if you set a good strong one i see nothing wrong with it.   60+ chars with mixed  letters upper and lower case numbers and other chars.  should do it.
[11:41] <intelikey> mervteck wouldn't blame you.  *buntu stinks  imo.
[11:42] <mervteck> >.< it has praticaly nothing default configured
[11:42] <mervteck> ive spent 6 hours now trying to get all this shit configured
[11:42] <mervteck> and still dont have sound
[11:43] <mervteck> i jsut want sound right now and ide be happy till tomorrow
[11:43] <mervteck> im in sound system setting but theres nothing here that i can understand to fix
[11:43] <intelikey> cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:44] <intelikey> mervteck   cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:44] <mervteck> yeah i see the 2 but it wont let me select em then work when i play a video =\
[11:45] <mervteck> like under select the audio device
[11:45] <mervteck> theres autodetect the a shitload of nothing
[11:45] <mervteck> well theres stuff
[11:45] <mervteck> but i cant undersand any of em =\
[11:45] <intelikey> alsa ?
[11:46] <mervteck> yeah its there
[11:46] <intelikey> select it
[11:46] <mervteck> k
[11:46] <mervteck> i did
[11:46] <intelikey> test
[11:47] <mervteck> nothin
[11:47] <intelikey> kill the sound server and restart it.
[11:48] <mervteck> how
[11:48] <intelikey> not sure i recall exactly where.    kmenu > system settings > sound  something.
[11:48] <mena> I had a wrning from the azureus now its telling me i have port open is that bad
[11:49] <gourdin> hi there
[11:49] <mervteck> yeah im in sound system but what under here do i touch
[11:49] <gourdin> is kde 3.5.6 out ?
[11:49] <selecta_g> hello all; can anyone offer help setting up the Kontact newsreader?
[11:49] <intelikey> mena could be.  depends on what port and what's listening on it.
[11:50] <gourdin> selecta_g: ask
[11:50] <intelikey> mervteck it says something about   "disable arts"   or  something along that line.
[11:50] <mervteck> yays i fixed it !
[11:50] <mervteck> XD
[11:50] <selecta_g> Thanks gourdin; i have copied the settings from Thunderbird but Kontact does not see any newsgroups.
[11:50] <mena> intelikey it jsut tell me that the port 58443 is open or something like that
[11:50] <gourdin> selecta_g: ???
[11:50] <mervteck> it didnt wanna go to my soundcard port just wanted to go to the onboard
[11:51] <gourdin> you manually copy settings ?
[11:51] <selecta_g> Well, when I try to subscribe to news groups, it starts to download the list of groups but returns an empty list. The same (?) settings in Thunderbird work OK
[11:51] <gourdin> selecta_g: you have to configure "knode"
[11:51] <gourdin> not "kontact"
[11:51] <intelikey> mena   hm  that's awfully high number....    i don't know.  i'm about network illeterate   maybe some one else can pick that up.
[11:51] <selecta_g> I am in Kontact and clicking the "news" button on the side-bar
[11:51] <plagiats> hi, I got a concern here : when using beryl, kicker's taskbar shows windows from all desktops and the checkbox to "show only windows from the current desktop" does not appear... Is there another way to pass that argument to KDE, please ? :-)
[11:52] <intelikey> mena if not you can ask in #ubuntu
[11:52] <intelikey> mena or even in ##linux   sometimes there is good networking help in there.
[11:52] <mena> intelikey, ok
[11:52] <gourdin> selecta_g: ok
[11:52] <gourdin> then, settings => configure knode
[11:53] <intelikey> plagiats that seems to be a feature not a bug.
[11:53] <selecta_g> Thanks gourdin; the server settings in there look OK (i.e. the same as Thunderbird)
[11:54] <mervteck> ok sound test works.... but kaffeine dont
[11:54] <intelikey> mervteck set the output in kaffeine ?
[11:54] <mervteck> where?
[11:54] <mervteck> i looked and couldent find nothin
[11:54] <selecta_g> But still no groups when i click subscribe
[11:54] <intelikey> to alsa ?   in the configure or preferances
[11:54] <plagiats> intelikey: thanks  for the humor, but I need to fix that feature :D
[11:54] <gourdin> then, rightclick on your server in the main window
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats no can do.
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats wasn't just humour.
[11:55] <mervteck> there is only 4 optiong under config
[11:55] <plagiats> argh, why is that?
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats idk  i didn't write it.
[11:55] <selecta_g> OK... the "subscribe?" and "fetch"?
[11:56] <gourdin> subscribe
[11:56] <gourdin> and "new list"
[11:56] <plagiats> intelikey: thanks anyway
[11:56] <selecta_g> OK....
[11:56] <gourdin> got what you want ?
[11:57] <selecta_g> first dialogue is "fetch" or "do  not fetch"... this time i'll click "do not" shall i?
[11:57] <intelikey> mervteck i've never used kaffeine   idk.   but there should be a way so set the output.   also test a .wav or .au file in kaffeine to make sure it's not a codec problem.
[11:57] <gourdin> click fetch
[11:57] <selecta_g> KK
[11:57] <gourdin> I don't know =)
[11:57] <intelikey> !codecs | mervteck
[11:57] <ubotu> mervteck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:57] <mervteck> u use vlc?
[11:58] <intelikey> vlc is good.
[11:58] <selecta_g> It does and appears to be downloading (progress bar climbs up) but the result is an empty list
[11:58] <intelikey> some don't like the look   but it's a good app.
[11:58] <gourdin> selecta_g:  ?
[11:58] <intelikey> and yes i do use vlc mervteck
[11:58] <selecta_g> so when it's done, I'll do "new list"
[11:58] <gourdin> you got something in the "filter field" ?
[11:58] <gourdin> yes
[11:58] <gourdin> click on new list
[11:59] <intelikey> in the console mostly
[11:59] <selecta_g> errrm.... search field is empty and not check boxes are selected
[11:59] <gourdin> ok
[11:59] <selecta_g> [no checkboxes]
[11:59] <gourdin> you clicked on the new list button ?
[12:00] <selecta_g> The "downloading" progress is at 100% but the "new list" button is greyed out
[12:00] <mervteck> omfg it wont install vlc
[12:00] <intelikey> mervteck i've heard others say they could get kaffeine to play vidios in the console but vlc is all i ever used for that.
[12:00] <intelikey> why not ?
[12:00] <mervteck> it jsut errors
[12:00] <intelikey> what error ?
[12:00] <intelikey> oh you are on k8 i keep forgetting that.
[12:01] <gourdin> selecta_g: no list ?
[12:01] <mervteck> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[12:01] <selecta_g> Yes  - no list
[12:01] <gourdin> if you got an empty list, either the news server dont have any group, either you got a wrong server...
[12:01] <gourdin> I don't know
[12:01] <gourdin> what news server is it ?
[12:01] <mervteck> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[12:01] <gourdin> try a public server from your provider
[12:01] <intelikey> !info vlc edgy64
[12:01] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[12:01] <selecta_g> Ok, news.eclipse.co.uk
[12:01] <crazy_bus> My computer has lost some system files.  And because of this my computer won't shut down or restart properly.  Can anyone help?
[12:02] <intelikey> mervteck it's in multiverse  is that enabled ?
[12:02] <selecta_g> I'm not sure if i have access to public servers
[12:02] <selecta_g> will investigae tho
[12:02] <gourdin> selecta_g: sorry, I can't help you much
[12:02] <gourdin> "It's working for me that way" =)
[12:02] <selecta_g> many, many  thanks for trying tho
[12:02] <gourdin> np
[12:02] <gourdin> good luck
[12:02] <gourdin> =)
[12:02] <selecta_g> Thunderbird will have to do for now
[12:02] <selecta_g> thanks again
[12:02] <gourdin> =)
[12:02] <intelikey> crazy_bus lost system files ?
[12:03] <intelikey> how    why ?
[12:03] <selecta_g> thanks room (thanks gourdin)... c y'all... l8rs
[12:03] <intelikey> what system files ?
[12:04] <crazy_bus> fsck came up after my harddrive was mounted 30 times and it said something about deleted inodes, next to files which made me think of reboot.  I can't remember the names
[12:04] <intelikey> apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[12:05] <intelikey> crazy_bus run that
[12:05] <intelikey> sudo it.
[12:06] <intelikey> have seen reisetfs do that too.
[12:07] <crazy_bus> what will that command do?  (this has happened to me before and I had to reinstall)
[12:09] <intelikey> had ext3 do that one time and it wrote something on the disk that made it totally unuseable.  badblocks said the drive was bad  but i did cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda   and did badblocks again and it couldn't find one bad spot.  ran it for hours   no errors.   still using it.
[12:09] <intelikey> crazy_bus if you're lucky it will fix your problem.   if not it wont hurt you.
[12:10] <mervteck> god damn it i need vlc but it wont install >.<
[12:10] <intelikey> !language | mervteck
[12:10] <ubotu> mervteck: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:10] <mervteck> XD
[12:11] <mervteck> sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd this is what i put it just liek the site says
[12:11] <intelikey> you made sure multiverse was enabled ?
[12:11] <mervteck> yeah =\
[12:11] <intelikey> grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:12] <mervteck> where i put that?
[12:12] <intelikey> konsole