[00:07] <en1gma> i just install ubuntu 22.04.3 and did all updates in a dual boot windows 11 nvme m.2 drive with secure boot. everything is good. my question has to do with networking. when i run ubuntu 'sudp airmon-ng check kill' like 4x to kill all networking stuff and when i get done with it i do a 'sudo airmon-ng stop wlp5s0mon' how do i get my wireless networking back up? i just restart each time and that works fine but is there a better way?
[00:15] <en1gma> when i do the 'airmon-ng check kill' it kills "avahi-daemon". "NetworkManager", "wpa_supplicant" and another "avahi-daemon"
[00:25] <jeremy31> en1gma: check kali forums, I have no idea
[00:25] <en1gma> jeremy31 i also asked in #ubuntu. ill see what happens there
[00:26] <jeremy31> en1gma: this is #ubuntu
[00:31] <en1gma> omg.
[00:31] <leftyfb> en1gma: airmon-ng is not a supported application in ubuntu
[00:31] <en1gma> crap. i thought you were in #aircrack-ng as i asked there too
[00:31] <en1gma> lol
[00:32] <en1gma> well i hope someone can answer my question here because this is ubuntu related
[00:32] <leftyfb> en1gma: no, it's airmon-ng related
[00:33] <leftyfb> en1gma: don't run airmon-ng and you won't have an issue
[00:33] <en1gma> my question is about network manager and bringing up the network
[00:33] <leftyfb> nm starts on boot
[00:33] <en1gma> ok maybe i need to reword it. i agree
[00:33] <en1gma> what is the command to restart network manager
[00:34] <leftyfb> en1gma: why are you stopping network manager?
[00:34] <en1gma> and all the processes i listed. "avahi-daemon". "NetworkManager", "wpa_supplicant" and another "avahi-daemon"
[00:34] <en1gma> what? we arent allowed to ask about network-manager now?
[00:34] <leftyfb> sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[00:34] <leftyfb> just like every service on ubuntu
[00:35] <en1gma> thank-you. i need to learn those systemctl commands. ive used them on rpi3b before too so they must be common
[00:35] <leftyfb> it's part of systemd which is on most modern distro
[00:35] <leftyfb> s
[00:36] <en1gma> im so used to ifonfig and iwconfig and those still
[00:36] <jeremy31> en1gma: or>  systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[00:36] <en1gma> im copying those commands down now.
[00:37] <en1gma> wish we had a right click create file instead of going to a terminal and typing 'touch etc'
[00:37] <jeremy31> en1gma: Run the file manager with sudo permission
[00:38] <en1gma> O_o. from command line or properties on nautilus icon?
[00:38] <en1gma> looks like command line probably
[00:38] <jeremy31> command line> sudo nautilus
[00:39] <JanC> airmon-ng can stop networkign but doesn't know how to bring it back up?  sounds like a bug...  :)
[00:39] <jeremy31> I don't see airmon-ng on Ubuntu repos
[00:39] <WaV> keep in mind that running the file manager with sudo permissions is not recommended.
[00:40] <WaV> I don't think its going to let you do what you want anyway.
[00:40] <leftyfb> jeremy31: it's not
[00:40] <en1gma> i cant believe its that easy with running nautilus root. in the past it was always a longer command then that
[00:41] <jeremy31> en1gma: Might be a pkexec command for it
[00:41] <en1gma> just copied all the commands down from non-root touch file
[00:41] <en1gma> just in case.
[00:42] <JanC> most file managers allow you to add plugins & custom actions/scripts; it would probably be better to use that if you need to do some actions as root regularly
[00:42] <en1gma> the right click create file ive added in ubuntu file manager before i think
[00:42] <en1gma> and adding seconds to the clock
[00:43] <en1gma> i got spoiled a little on 23.10
[00:43] <en1gma> im probably going to install the amd binary driver in a bit. i know people say use the free version but the binary is needed for some of the things i do
[00:44] <en1gma> why dont it show up as an option in software update
[00:44] <en1gma> in the additional drivers
[00:44] <en1gma> i already added my key for secure boot. that went well when installing ubuntu
[00:45] <en1gma> the desktop is a little glitchy
[00:45] <en1gma> i got it. i will do some reading its all good
[00:47] <WaV> You can create a script for nautilus to create a text file if you want.
[00:58] <WaV> Or create templates which is probably easier.
[01:39] <bray90820> Hey if you download a deb file but it doesn't have the deb extention on it can you still do dpkg -i without adding the extention?
[01:40] <gry> bray90820: I think that's a yes
[01:40] <gry> bray90820: is it working for you?
[01:40] <leftyfb> bray90820: I would not recommend that
[01:40] <leftyfb> bray90820: what are you trying to install?
[01:40] <bray90820> We'll see if it works
[01:40] <bray90820> It'll be a few minutes tho
[01:41] <gry> bray90820: what are you trying to install?
[01:41] <bray90820> Teamviewer
[01:41] <bray90820> It's a long story tho of why it doesn't have an extention
[01:45] <ak2004> Hello everyone, I need productivity tips with the system GUI in Ubuntu 22.04
[01:46] <toddc> Team veower from the website does have full a deb file
[01:47] <toddc> bray90820: test and working ver 15.47.3 on 22.04 gnome
[01:47] <bray90820> Cool
[01:47] <ak2004> coool
[01:49] <ak2004> I am also interested in specific tips for the Ubuntu system GUI, such as how to use the Dash, the Ubuntu Dock, and the Ubuntu Global Menu.
[01:49] <toddc> bray90820: I used software install option from yur downloads location
[01:50] <toddc> ak2004: we do mostly support her you may get better tips in off topic
[01:51] <en1gma> omfg. i got my self into a world of crap trying to install the binary drivers from amd on ubuntu 22.04.3 amd64 desktop. i think i have removed almost all amdgpu stuff because i had errors with amdgpu-install. do i need to run initramfs
[01:51] <toddc> !ot | ak2004
[01:51] <en1gma> im afraid if i reboot i will not be able to make it back in
[01:53] <ak2004> "Ok, thanks. Good night."
[02:02] <bray90820> Yes it worked without the extention
[03:37] <en1gma> well that reinstall was fun!
[03:38] <en1gma> lost my text file with my commands i had made
[03:38] <en1gma> i think i installed the amd 5.7 binary driver thing but how do i know for sure because ubuntu 22.04.3 uses the HWE amd driver?
[03:39] <en1gma> ive done the commands like glxgears -B but im not sure how to tell if the driver im actually using is the proprietary driver or the ubuntu free driver
[03:41] <en1gma> it dont show up in the software update under additional drivers
[03:41] <arraybolt3> How do I increase swappiness? I'm using RAM compression in lieu of a swapfile and would like to start swapping into that space much sooner than my system usually would do so.
[03:42] <guiverc> arraybolt3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F  maybe helpful
[03:43] <guiverc> en1gma, ubuntu will use HWE or GA depending on default of your install media; 22.04.3 as such will use 5.15 kernel if GA install media was used; or HWE if HWE install media was used; Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Desktop & later default to HWE, but Ubuntu Server & flavors differ
[03:44] <arraybolt3> guiverc: thanks
[03:44] <bray90820> What's the live password for kubuntu 23.10
[03:45] <guiverc> bray90820, i didn't think it had one; (ie. just ENTER should log in),  but next i'd try kubuntu
[03:45] <bray90820> The computer went to sleep and now I need to login again kubuntu didn't work
[03:46] <arraybolt3> bray90820: Just hit "enter", an empty password should work.
[03:46]  * guiverc has grabbed what I believe is a kubuntu mantic thumb-drive, will quickly test...
[03:47]  * guiverc discovers i've overwritten it with ubuntu studio;  no good.. but I believe it's ''  (nothing)
[03:47] <en1gma> guiverc i still have the install media but i cant remember what i picked. after i did the install i followed a guide to install the 5.7 amd driver but i think i should have installed the 20.xx driver maybe
[03:47] <en1gma> im not sure which i should have installed. they were both sept 28th 2023
[03:48] <en1gma> it was the amdgpu-install script from what looked like an ftp repo
[03:48] <en1gma> i did want rocm support though
[03:51] <guiverc> en1gma, chances are if ubuntu desktop you'll have HWE kernel stack; however if your install media was before 20.04 (and release-upgraded) then install media really matters as it remains the same unless you change default
[03:51] <en1gma> my media was 22.04.3
[03:51] <en1gma> amd64-desktop
[03:51] <en1gma> but after that installed i then installed the driver from amd website. the amdgpu-install script for 5.7
[03:52] <guiverc> hwe is used (6.2 kernel) for Ubuntu Desktop & desktop flavors; Ubuntu Desktop media can (depending on your hardware) change default to OEM or GA kernel stack though only for specific hardware
[03:52] <en1gma> amdgpu-install_<IP_ADDRESS>.50700-1_all.deb
[03:52] <en1gma> i have 6900xt
[03:53] <guiverc> installer will examine hardware & change default if your hardware matches rules it has (ie. switching to OEM or GA stack if your hardware perfectly matches a special case)
[03:54] <en1gma> ahhh ok. so how do i see which one im on actually?
[03:54] <en1gma> what is GA?
[03:55] <guiverc> GA is the most stable kernel stack; 5.15 for 22.04 being default for server installs, plus desktop flavors of 22.04 & 22.04.2 (but not flavors of 22.04.2 or later)..
[03:55] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[03:55] <en1gma> 'glxinfo -B' = "Device: AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT (navi21, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.2.0-36-generic) (0x73bf)"
[03:55] <guiverc> sorry 22.04 & 22.04.1 for flavors;  22.04.2 for flavors (& later) default to HWE
[03:56] <guiverc> 5.19 is the 22.04.2 kernel at HWE, 6.2 for 22.04.3, 6.5 for 22.04.4
[03:56] <en1gma> yea when i installed 22.04.3 i knew it had kernel 6.2
[03:57] <en1gma> 32.10 has kernel 6.5
[03:57] <en1gma> 23.10*
[03:59] <en1gma> did i install the correct driver amgpu-install from amd? "amdgpu-install_<IP_ADDRESS>.50700-1_all.deb" or should have i used this "amdgpu-install_5.7.50701-1_all.deb"
[03:59] <en1gma> http://repo.radeon.com/amdgpu-install/
[04:00] <en1gma> they have directories labeled "<IP_ADDRESS>.48" and "5.7.1" with the names i mentioned above. both are dated sept 28th 2023
[04:00] <en1gma> well the 23.20.. is dated sept 29th and the 5.7.1 is dated sept 26th
[04:01] <en1gma> is one for rocm and the other one dont have rocm support?
[04:02] <en1gma> im pretty confused especially when it dont show up in software updater when the amd repos are added
[04:04] <guiverc> sorry en1gma, I can't advice with drivers in relation to amd gpu's; I'd be guessing
[04:04] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/vCcYfnUj
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: amdgpu should be loaded automaticly as module
[04:04] <en1gma> thats my output from sudo apt search amd | grep installed
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> if not, somethings wrong and your dmesg should be investigated
[04:05] <en1gma> oops | grep amd
[04:05] <en1gma> lotuspsychje are you talking about on a default install of 22.04.3 amd64 desktop?
[04:05] <en1gma> i followed a guide to install the amd proprietary driver
[04:06] <en1gma> amd guide where you download the drivers
[04:06] <en1gma> well the amdgpu-install file anyhow
[04:07] <en1gma> so do an lsmod | grep amd?
[04:07] <Bashing-om> Enissay: ' sudo lshw -C display ' > configuration: driver=amdgpu ?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: https://linuxconfig.org/amd-radeon-ubuntu-20-04-driver-installation
[04:08] <en1gma> https://pastebin.com/N1sTSzWz
[04:08] <arraybolt3> guiverc: thanks for the link, got swappiness set to 100 now.
[04:09] <Bashing-om> en1gma: ^ sorry fror the bad high light Enissay :(
[04:09] <en1gma> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/cuXSzf6N
[04:10] <en1gma> Bashing-om its all good
[04:11] <en1gma> i guess i should try pyrit and then i will know if its all working the way its supposed too but i need to install so much because basically i have a fresh install (barely setup my settings) installed hexchat and the amdgpu-install thing
[04:13] <en1gma> pytorch*
[04:20] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Looks good to me -- on amdgpu driver :D
[04:27] <en1gma> but is the amdgpu driver the same as the one that gets installed with a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04.3 or is it the binary proprietary driver from amd which is not free and dont get installed by ubuntu 22.04
[04:28] <en1gma> are the same driver? im not sure because i didnt check the default driver thats installed with a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04.3
[04:29] <en1gma> im not sure what the default driver looks like with 'glxgears -B' for ubuntu 22.04.3 fresh install. i followed the guide to install the amdgpu-install too fast before checking
[04:29] <en1gma> i only know what driver looks like now after i did that amdgpu-install script so i cant compare
[10:28] <tylnesh> Ho, boy, haven't used IRC in ages :D
[10:29] <fweht> irc is nice, ppl are nice here
[10:36] <weedmic> isn't this room IRC?
[10:36] <jailbreak> weedmic: yes.
[10:36] <jailbreak> tylnesh: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:37] <jailbreak> *this is a support channel*
[10:37] <kostkon> !support
[10:37] <jailbreak> kostkon: thanks.
[11:43] <HiHarry> whois HiHarry
[11:44] <stenno> cogito ergo sum
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:36] <Guest92343> Hello
[15:26] <paul424> helllo, I m going absolutly crazy, How I can get rid of this window when logging to skype ?
[15:26] <paul424> it says :
[15:27] <paul424> the login keyring did not get unlock when you logged (in / or out never mind ) into your computer ;...
[15:27] <paul424> what does it mean .... How I am supposed to get rid of that ?
[15:28] <mtn> paul424: turn off autologin, so you give your password to login to the desktop
[15:31] <paul424> I need autologin -- people at the school here aren't so tech savvy in here
[15:31] <paul424> I need autologin -- people at the school here aren't so tech savvy in here
[15:31] <paul424> upps
[15:32] <mtn> they don't know how to enter  a password? yikes
[15:34] <paul424> yikes... cause windows doesn't require one ... then they expect linux to work in the same way...
[15:34] <mtn> ha ha
[15:35] <paul424> mtn, what to do ?
[16:53] <johnfg> hi folks!
[16:54] <johnfg> I'm getting ready to install ubuntu on a new laptop.  I note in the install notes, "For this tutorial, we will use the Ubuntu 23.04 release which uses the new Ubuntu Desktop installer that will be included in all future Ubuntu releases."
[16:55] <johnfg> Well, 23.04 isn't available it doesn't look like, and 23.10 shows that it's using the 'legacy desktop installer'.
[16:55] <johnfg> I'm confused.
[16:56] <johnfg> On one of my other machines, I'm running current, 22.04 with all updates, and, of course, I love it.  Was there a problem with the new installer?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> johnfg: where do you see the legacy installer showing up?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> Pretty sure the new one is available.
[17:30] <toddc> johnfg: 24.04 is the latest long term support and recommeded version
[17:31] <toddc> 23.10 is the latest but only has 9 months of support  testing version
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> toddc: Unless you're time-travelling, April 2024 (24.04) hasn't ocurred yet, so having a long-term support 24.04 isn't possible (unless you typo'd that).
[17:39] <arraybolt3> toddc: *22.04, 24.04 is in active (early) development.
[17:40] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer is faster than me
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> 23.10 is out of testing, so is a full-fledged release, don't call it a "testing version" please. :P
[17:58] <johnfg> toddc: On ubuntu.com/download/desktop, they state that 22.04.3 is the latest LTS version.
[17:58] <toddc> 23.10 is a current release but not a LTS and for new user 22.04 LTS is my recommeded version based on 12 years of installfests  Better?
[17:58] <toddc> johnfg: yes
[17:59] <johnfg> So, just to be sure, there is no 24.04 available yet, right?
[17:59] <toddc> correct
[17:59] <toddc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
[18:00] <toddc> ubuntu has a great step by step guide above
[18:00] <toddc> and feel free to ask any questions
[18:01] <johnfg> What about my question about the new vs. the legacy installer?
[18:02] <johnfg> On that page it said that 23.04 had the new installer that would be used on all future releases, but 23.10 has the legacy installer.
[18:02] <kopachke> names
[18:02] <toddc> johnfg: both work but use the one built into the version you are goind to work with
[18:03] <toddc> going
[18:04] <toddc> there are a few differnt options for advanced users but assuming your this is your first ubuntu install stick to defaults
[19:31] <wad> Is there an "about" dialog on Ubuntu Desktop that shows me stuff about the OS, like what version it is?
[19:32] <toddc> wad: settings/about
[19:34] <wad> So... I feel dumb, but where do I find "settings"?
[19:34] <wad> I swear I've clicked everything, lol
[19:36] <toddc> wad: assuming ubuntu Gnome 22.04 click top right corner a drop down window will appaear click on settings in the new window scroll to the bottom and find about
[19:38] <toddc> wad: other desktops or DE put it in different locations so if you do not find it check back here
[19:56] <wad> Okay, I'm back.
[19:57] <wad> Clicked on the top-right icon (shows a network icon, a speaker icon, and a power icon). Dropdown has: Volume slider, "Wired connected", "balanced", "lock", and "power off".
[19:57] <wad> "uname -a" shows "Linux steve 6.2.0-36-generic #37~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct  9 15:34:04 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[19:59] <wad> Something is weird with this box.
[19:59] <toddc> wad: settings should just under balanced if not it can be checked other ways
[20:00] <wad> Ah, under there is "power settings".
[20:00] <wad> When I click it, nothing happens... let me tail the syslog.....
[20:01] <wad> Aha! syslog has "Nov 14 15:00:18 steve gnome-shell[5248]: Settings panel for desktop file gnome-power-panel.desktop could not be loaded!"
[20:02] <wad> Imma google it
[20:03] <wad> Running "apt install gnome-control-center"
[20:03] <wad> I HAVE SETTINGS NOW!!!
[20:03]  * wad does the happy dance
[22:40] <Kadigan> Reminds me of the old days of Win98, when I "accidentally" uninstalled IE. :D
[22:40] <Kadigan> Had no idea it'd kill the desktop while it's at it. :D
[22:58] <en1gma> is there an irc channel for ubuntu arm64 desktop?
[22:59] <en1gma> or is this the support channel for that too?
[23:05] <JanC> en1gma: you can also try #ubuntu-arm but here should be okay too (especially for anything that isn't ARM-specific)
[23:06] <en1gma> JanC thanks
[23:06] <en1gma> yea i got a couple arm specific questions so i better join there. thanks
[23:07] <JanC> Kadigan: you could always run an alternative DE on Win98...
[23:07] <Kadigan> I ended up switching to `progman.exe` for that, for about a month, before I learned of System Restore. :D
[23:08] <Kadigan> Fun fact: I learned how to replace `explorer.exe` with `progman.exe` as a means of pranking friends. Never ended up pranking *anyone*, but it did save my goose that one time. :D
[23:08] <JanC> I used https://bb4win.sourceforge.net/ for years
[23:10] <JanC> it had panels, multiple workspaces, etc.
[23:12] <JanC> anyway, that's off-topic here  :)
[23:20] <bray90820> With the 23.10 installer how long should detecting file systems ttake?
[23:24] <JanC> I assume that depends on how many filesystems there are
[23:25] <bray90820> Just 1 winows 10
[23:25] <JanC> if it's just 1 disks/partition it shouldn't take long
[23:26] <JanC> if you've been waiting for minutes that seems wrong
[23:26] <ZaY> hi
[23:28] <ZaY> I am a beginner I have no basis for vps I am learning step by step I want you to help me please
[23:28] <ZaY> ubuntu
[23:28] <bray90820> Yeah I waited like 20 minutes
[23:29] <khazakar> Chill, just tell what's going on
[23:32] <ZaY> I want to learn
[23:32] <ZaY> please
[23:32] <khazakar> What exactly?
[23:33] <ZaY> people don't want to help me anymore
[23:33] <ZaY> vps ubuntu
[23:33] <ZaY> ALL
[23:34] <khazakar> And what with it? All is not precise enough. Pick your VPS provider and start after you pick one
[23:35] <Kadigan> I just finished talking with this guy. He needs some good resources to start - in French if possible. Can you give him some pointers? He wants to set up a VPS webserver with Wordpress. I suggested a local installation first - PC or VM.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> !fr
[23:35] <khazakar> PC/VM I would also pick first
[23:36] <khazakar> And read about classical thing - LAMP.stack
[23:36] <khazakar> After setting it up, I would read WordPress docs how to set it up
[23:37] <ZaY> I host two servers at ovh to install what I want for example znc
[23:37] <ZaY> urealircd anope WordPress
[23:37] <ZaY> and every time I can't do it
[23:37] <khazakar> And voilà :)
[23:37] <ZaY> sorry
[23:38] <khazakar> Read documentation for things you want to set up and try again
[23:38] <Kadigan> ZaY: do not try to do too much immediately. Understanding takes time.
[23:38] <khazakar> When you will find any obstacle, just reach out on project IRC channel :)
[23:38] <khazakar> And start from basics
[23:39] <khazakar> OS instalation, installing webserver like apache,  lighttpd or nginx, setting up MariaDB/PostgresSQL as database etc
[23:39] <khazakar> One at a time
[23:40] <Kadigan> Also, read the introductions and "about" for things as well, not only the step-by-step guides. Step-by-step is for those who need it working, not necessarily to understand how it works.
[23:41] <khazakar> Kadigan: +1
[23:43] <ZaY> ok
[23:43] <ZaY> thinks so mutch
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[23:48] <acidic-addax> send azazel to
[23:49] <acidic-addax> secure


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[00:30] <rdbruder> hey guys! night!
[00:31] <rdbruder> I'm trying to install but MATE doent complete the install process. Installing from USB to USB
[00:33] <superkuh> How does it fail?
[00:33] <superkuh> Is the boot EFI or MBR?
[00:34] <superkuh> By "MATE" do you mean Ubuntu MATE the OS. Or do you have Ubuntu installed already and you're now installing MATE DE?
[00:36] <rdbruder> Ubuntu Mate, downloaded from https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[00:37] <superkuh> Okay. And how does it fail?
[00:37] <superkuh> You install and reboot and just nothing happens?
[00:37] <superkuh> You get partway and it errors out?
[00:38] <rdbruder> 1st - boot on live usb created with the ISO.
[00:39] <rdbruder> 2nd - the installation process reach about 75% and nothing happen
[00:41] <rdbruder> I think now that is very slowly.
[00:42] <rdbruder> I'm waiting....
[00:43] <superkuh> USB installs do take forever.
[00:43] <superkuh> Especially if the buffer on either device fills up.
[00:46] <rdbruder> The problem is that we don't see what is happening
[00:47] <rdbruder> STOP/FREEZE/RUNNING?
[00:48] <superkuh> I'm trying to think of how you could check if it's still going.
[00:48] <superkuh> I guess you could switch to a different tty and then check with top.
[00:48] <superkuh> But that might crash the install.
[00:50] <rdbruder> The progress bar stop moving... the cursor is that rounded ball...
[00:56] <rdbruder> This is the n-time i try Ubuntu-Mate by they ISO Live Installation. I do the minimal ISO and choose Ubuntu Mate. This is a sad history... Somebody test this things?
[15:48] <bigpod> while installing ubuntu mate isnt something we cover as a use case installing on USB is gonna take forever and might fail also it isnt recommended


[00:00] <Yorvik> No wired
[00:00] <BluesKaj> oh, ok
[00:01] <BluesKaj> i just use the /etc/network/interfaces settings for the pc , no nm or wicd needed
[00:03] <Yorvik> I do on the karmic machines but, DHCP on the Lucid ones
[00:03] <BluesKaj> on lucid /etc/network/interfaces settings works fine
[00:06] <Yorvik> Yup, but as it’s  testing I tend to leave things at there default settings.
[00:09] <BluesKaj> i have this belkin with the rt2870 ralink chip, that absolutely refuses to connect on lucid using the same settings that worked in jaunty. karmic is hopeless as well
[00:10] <BluesKaj> same wicd settings that is
[00:10] <BluesKaj> err wifi settings
[00:13] <Yorvik> The one functioning laptop I have is running WiFi quite happily using network-manager on karmic
[00:14] <Yorvik> But a friend tried Ubuntu for the first time and the live CD worked but his wifi stopped working when he installed it to HDD.
[00:15] <Yorvik> Second Lucid machine now working with wicd and Dhcp
[00:18] <BluesKaj> laptop wifi seems to have no problems with wifi on most ubuntu versions , even lucid. USB wifi adapters however don't.
[00:20] <Yorvik> His is a USB device
[00:25] <BluesKaj> Yorvik, what model device
[00:25] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:28] <Yorvik> Don’t know. He’s got a wired connection for now.  We’ll try and sort it latter in the week.
[00:29] <Yorvik> Right, Bed time
[00:32] <BluesKaj> well, if you guys manage to connect the usb adapter, i hope you're around to tell us how you did it.
[00:42] <Volkodav> what do you are the chances that onboard LAn will start working if I flash the BIOS to the latest ?
[00:43] <Volkodav> not working now after 2 months on Asus mobo
[01:01] <Berzerker> anyone running UNR? I'm getting constant netbook launcher crashes.
[01:05] <Berzerker> anyone?
[01:30] <bjsnider> !info libxvidcore4 lucid
[01:30] <bjsnider> was that renamed?
[01:32] <bjsnider> !info xvidcore lucid
[01:33] <crimsun> no, it wasn't renamed; why?
[01:33] <crimsun>   xvidcore | 2:1.2.2+debian-0ubuntu1 | lucid/multiverse | source
[01:33] <crimsun> libxvidcore4 | 2:1.2.2+debian-0ubuntu1 | lucid/multiverse | amd64, i386
[01:35] <bjsnider> !info libxvidcore lucid
[01:35] <bjsnider> !info libxvidcore-dev lucid
[01:35] <bjsnider> renamed to libxvidcore
[01:37] <crimsun> what are you referring to?
[01:38] <bjsnider> just making sure the control file takes the name change into account
[01:38] <bjsnider> that's done
[01:51] <SomeoneE1se> is there a solution for the ugly firefox buttons?
[01:51] <SomeoneE1se> everything I've found is 2-3 years old and no longer works.
[01:53] <crimsun> missing context
[01:54] <SomeoneE1se> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1560160&postcount=1
[01:56] <crimsun> that's most definitely specific to your configuration
[01:57] <SomeoneE1se> I'd assume ask in #ubuntu, but I'm guessing I'm going to get told to ask here becasue I'm on Lynx
[01:59] <SomeoneE1se> how would I change it?
[01:59] <crimsun> look at your gtk theme
[02:00] <SomeoneE1se> oic, thanks I shall research
[02:02] <crimsun> SomeoneE1se: e.g., it looks pretty decent by default: see http://trilug.org/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[02:04] <SomeoneE1se> just figured out it's becasue I'm also using openbox
[02:04] <crimsun> ah, so you didn't have gnome-settings-daemon running?
[02:06] <SomeoneE1se> that's much better
[02:06] <SomeoneE1se> crimsun: thanks this is exactly what I'm looking for
[02:07] <SomeoneE1se> do you know the way off the top of you head to make them smaller? if not I can look that up myself
[03:10] <SomeoneE1se> crimsun: I've done that, but now no icons show up
[03:14] <SomeoneE1se> I've started gnome-settings-daemon but now no icons in firfox show up, and if I kill it they come back, thoughts?
[04:01] <SomeoneE1se> had to step away, did one find a solution to my question?
[04:42] <kermiac> does anyone know if openoffice 3.2 will make it into lucid?
[04:45] <iflema> kermiac yep
[04:46] <kermiac> awesome news, ty iflema :)
[04:51] <Damascene> Good morning,
[05:11] <alex_mayorga> is KDE 4.4 coming to Kubuntu?
[05:12] <kklimonda> yes
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda, thanks, what else would be included?
[05:14] <kklimonda> what do you mean? a lot of things
[05:15] <alex_mayorga> I mean big things, like OOo or KDE
[05:17] <syn-ack> Hey got an odd question... does #ubuntu+1 cover Xubuntu Lucid support as well considering there is no #xubuntu+1....
[05:21] <arand> syn-ack: I would assume so, since I think kubuntu+1 happens here quite a bit as well.
[05:21] <syn-ack> hrm
[05:21] <syn-ack> would someone like to help me with bug 519641 then?
[05:28] <Damascene> the netbook-launcher is broken I think on my system. I'm currently on gnome. when I login to Netbook Edition interface there is nothing on the desktop and the home button on the tool-bar doesn't work
[05:32] <crimsun> Damascene: dpkg -l netbook-launcher|grep ^ii
[05:32] <crimsun> Damascene: if you aren't using 1:2.1.12-0ubuntu6, you should upgrade to it
[05:33] <crimsun> it's bug 519050, BTW
[05:40] <Damascene> crimsun, I've the ubuntu5
[05:41] <arand> syn-ack: However I'm afraid now seems to be the worst off-hours time.
[05:43] <Damascene> even I've updated yesterday. I find there is new update today
[05:52] <crimsun> syn-ack: that looks like an X.Org driver issue, i.e., xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:53] <crimsun> syn-ack: I would begin bisecting which Lucid package caused it
[06:01] <syn-ack> crimsun: Yeah, that's what I've had a hard time trying to figure out... which driver caused it.. though admittedly, I have been working some pretty hell hours at work and havent had the time really to dig in
[06:04] <syn-ack> hrm, you're right... I wonder if it is, in fact a driver issue
[06:11] <Damascene> crimsun, now the left panel is blinking and can't be used
[06:18] <crimsun> Damascene: check the other bug reports for netbook-launcher
[06:19] <DanaG> ugh, brightness control doesn't work.
[06:20] <syn-ack> crimsun: The Intel driver is only 2d, no?
[06:20] <syn-ack> wouldn't 3d be handled by mesa?
[06:21] <crimsun> syn-ack: which bug are you referring to?
[06:22] <syn-ack> Well, I noticed in my bug is missing both DKMS references and GLXinfo which, to me would point to some sort of 3d driver issue, no?
[06:27] <syn-ack> hrm. well, nm I have to get to bed anyway. 7 am comes early. g'night guys
[08:07] <ZykoticK9> with chromium-browser's Bookmark Manager  is anyone able to resize the "Title" or "URL" spacing in the main body of the windows?  When I mouse over the resize in the title I the mouse changes from a pointer to arrows pointing in both directions, but does not allow me to click and drag to resize.  Lucid Alpha 2 up-to-date, AMD64, Chromium 4.0.305.0 (36929) Ubuntu, Nvidia, Compiz ON or OFF
[08:50] <Speedy1> www.search2.net
[09:06] <coz_> hey guys..... the system clock...systray etc  do not stay in the same position I put them in after reboot or  restart...with or without   "Lock to Panel"  enalbed....any way to prevent them from moving??
[09:06] <coz_> ah forget that^^^   its for karmic
[09:06] <rww> coz_: is your panel set to expand to the edges of the screen?
[09:06] <coz_> rww,  yeah
[09:07] <vish> coz_: if you have moved your items around , and restarted to find things change order... its a known bug [for a long time]
[09:07] <rww> heh. I've seen that happen when it's not set to expand pretty often. Only other time I've seen it is when a program (game, usually) runs fullscreen and changes the resolution, and doesn't set it back right when it's done.
[09:08] <coz_> vish,  ah  ok  I thought so ... it has been happening for some time now  ...thanks :)
[09:08] <coz_> I will have to remember "never" to move these things  :)
[09:09] <vish> coz_: Bug #44082
[09:09] <coz_> vish,  thanks guys reading now
[09:14] <coz_> wow.. since 2006.. sounds about right
[09:14] <coz_> :)
[09:27] <maxb> Something weird is happening... Alt+F[1-6] are switching VT out of X !?
[09:27] <maxb> Can someone confirm?
[09:30] <kklimonda> no
[09:30] <kklimonda> have you used sysrq+r ?
[09:31] <Machtin> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle. <- any thoughts on that?
[09:32] <maxb> um, not since rebooting
[09:32]  * maxb reboots again
[09:33] <tolonuga> Hi. How can I ask someone to import a package from debian testing: opensc (ubuntu has an older, changed package, but the changes can be dropped if you use the new version)
[09:33] <tolonuga> would be nice to get the latest package with lots of fixes into ubuntu...
[09:34] <BUGabundo_remote> {quick} morning
[09:36] <maxb> kklimonda: So, I powered off, powered on, and pressed Alt+F2 when gdm came up, and got sent to a text console
[10:01] <usernet> what gdm version
[10:01] <usernet> in lucid?
[10:01] <kklimonda> 2.29.6
[10:03] <usernet> is it support for configuring multiple local servers via configuration files?
[10:03] <kklimonda> no idae
[10:04] <kklimonda> idea even
[12:54] <coz_> any news on nvidia?
[12:59] <cecil> works here, what news ?
[12:59] <coz_> cecil,  still doesnt work here
[12:59] <coz_> I can try again and restart to see
[13:00] <cecil> iv had a lot of probs in the past but its working now for some reason !
[13:02] <cecil> a few times i got the driver from nvidia's ftp site
[13:02] <coz_> i'll find out in about a minued
[13:02] <coz_> minute
[13:02] <coz_> with the nvidia driver manual install it just freezes the system...generally withi hardwar drivers it doesnt boot but let me check
[13:03] <cecil> far as i know plymouth dont work with nv
[13:03] <cecil> BIG DEAL
[13:03] <coz_> I am not concerned with plymouth at all :)
[13:05] <Kwpolska> I want to get ubuntu with jigdo.
[13:06] <Kwpolska> It's asking me for DEBIAN repo (original tarball).
[13:06] <Kwpolska> What is the right lucid repo to give jigdo?
[13:06] <coz_> yay it works :)
[13:09] <coz_> damn no it doesnt work
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote> FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/316215	        Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released rule to enable use of android's adb
[13:14] <cecil> coz_: what dont wk ?
[13:21] <coz_> well the nvidia driver install from hardware drivers "sort of"  worked but freezes the system when I try to do anything...so.,. I think what I will do is wait until march or release in april...
[13:22] <yofel> coz_: bug 516412 ?
[13:23] <coz_> yofel,  ah   ok  well yes that is what happens :)   I can wait ... I wanted to test  StormOs anyway :)
[13:23] <coz_> yoasif,  can plymouth be uninstalled completely?
[13:23] <yofel> coz_: yes, but purge it
[13:24] <yofel> it's just a recommends right now
[13:24] <coz_> ok I will try that later today if Storm  doesn feel good
[13:26] <naught101> I want to dist-upgrade from hardy to lucid using the alternate CD
[13:27] <naught101> but I don't have a CD-drive - I was hoping to be able to do it by mounting the cd iso with "mount -o loop .."
[13:27] <naught101> does anyone know if that's possible, and if so, how to get apt to recognise it as a source?
[13:28] <SwedeMike> naught101: why do you want to upgrade using the cd?
[13:28] <SwedeMike> naught101: update-manager -d should do that for you, I would imagine.
[13:29] <SwedeMike> anyhow, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading tells you how to mount the iso
[13:31] <naught101> SwedeMike: because my hard-drive doesn't have enough space to do  full dist-upgrade from the network...
[13:32] <cecil> coz_: what storm ?
[13:32] <coz_> cecil,   StormOs
[13:32] <mvo> naught101: if you loop mount and run /mnt/cdromupgrade /mnt that may work, I'm not sure if apt cdrom will find the cdrom when its not a real one though
[13:32] <cecil> coz_: ok. thought you were in bad weather
[13:33] <coz_> cecil,  oh that too  we are getting another 10" ontop of the 23"  already on the ground :(
[13:33] <naught101> mvo: right, that script looks like it might work
[13:34] <SwedeMike> naught101: if you loop-mount /var/cache/apt/ to somewhere else (copy the contents first), won't that help?
[13:34] <SwedeMike> naught101: that way the packages downloaded wont end up on your /
[13:34] <naught101> SwedeMike: yeah, I guess, I've done that before actually, but I've got the CD now, and the script seems to be working
[13:34] <naught101> thanks :)
[13:35] <naught101> s/CD/ISO/
[13:35] <naught101> see how many packages I can break by only upgrading half the system...
[13:57] <scotd> is lucid based on debian stable, testing, or unstable?
[14:00] <en> Hello everyone, where can i get the iso for lucid?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> scotd: unstable of course
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> !daily | en
[14:01] <en> does it have support for ATI graphics?
[14:03] <en> I'll give it a shot as a livecd before installing thanks BUGabundo_remote.
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:06] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj
[14:06] <BUGabundo_remote> en no idea. I have nvidia
[14:07] <cecil> coz_: where u at ? im in miami, crappy here to, hot, cold, rainy, off and on
[14:09] <cecil> coz_: dont know what to wear next !
[14:13] <cecil> :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_remote
[14:30] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj
[14:31] <kklimonda> how is home folder encrypted when the option is chosen in the installer?
[14:31] <kklimonda> does it use ecryptfs?
[14:32] <marienz> kklimonda: last time I checked: yes
[14:32] <alex_mayorga> so how do I get past https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/507842
[14:33] <alex_mayorga> my last upgrade gave me "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[14:33] <alex_mayorga> do I just run that and it'll fix itself?
[14:37] <zinox> there is any howto to help me install this video card >> ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] in ubuntu 10.04 ??
[14:38] <zinox> i would like to use fglrx driver
[14:46] <semitones>  ok, non hypothetical situation: I need to crop and resize a picture to use as a profile picture in Buzz -- what program do I use that comes installed by default on Lucid?
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> semitones: fspot, gimp, nautilus-image, anything else from cli ?
[14:48] <marienz> iirc gimp's no longer installed by default (although I'm not sure why you have that requirement)
[14:48] <marienz> what's nautilus-image?
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> marienz: does it *really* mind what comes or not by default?
[14:49] <marienz> ah, that can't crop iiuc. I'd just use gimp, but meh.
[14:49] <marienz> BUGabundo_remote: I don't think so, no.
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> default system is unusable for me
[14:49] <semitones> marienz, I just wonder what new users will use to do this
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> semitones: they will open Software Center, search for image and install one
[14:49] <marienz> semitones: I'd guess f-spot
[14:49] <marienz> or that.
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> why complicate what's NOT complicated?
[14:49] <semitones> BUGabundo_remote, nah they woudn't do that
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> that's the 3rd thing I teach my students
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> even my fatehr does that!
[14:50] <semitones> marienz, alright, I'll try fspot-- I always thought it was for *managing* photos
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> and he is computer iletared
[14:50] <semitones> like a photo album
[14:52]  * CardinalFang likes "iletared", like it's a verb.  After the iletaring, he was never the same.
[14:59] <semitones> is fspot lightweight
[15:00] <CardinalFang> semitones, it's not too bad.
[15:29] <crimsun> syn-ack: please see bug 404064
[15:36] <scotd> will lucid have glibc or eglibc?
[15:43] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 519855
[15:44] <Damascene> hello, yesterday netbook launcher wasn't working and there was nothing under the top panel and today after updating the left panel keep blinking all the time and no way to use it
[15:47] <Milos_SD> Hi
[15:48] <Milos_SD> I got that bug too now
[15:48] <Milos_SD> I updated udev :)
[15:49] <kklimonda> damn, every day my lucid seems to boot a bit slower - I was already close to 15 seonds and now I'm back to 20..
[15:49] <kklimonda> scotd, eglibc
[15:57] <Milos_SD> how can I fix udev issue?
[15:57] <Milos_SD> can I force version to the previouse one?
[16:03] <Milos_SD> I fixed the udev issue :)
[16:03] <Milos_SD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8804856&postcount=25
[16:23] <petsounds> hi. does anybody know why i get error msg when updating? thanks
[16:23] <petsounds> " E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle "
[16:50] <scotd> kklimonda: thanks!
[17:15] <Torch> looks like i got an update to kernel 2.6.32-12
[17:15] <Torch> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic
[17:15] <Torch> cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[17:15] <Torch> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic
[17:15] <Torch> what do i do?
[17:17] <zniavre> Torch,  this worked for me >http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8804856&postcount=25
[17:17] <zniavre> what is new tooltip style from libgtk ?
[17:18] <Torch> zniavre: thanks, sounds sensible
[17:27] <CosmiChaos> I did the workaround to get bootlogo with nouveau on plymouth, since latest updates now synaptic imminently forces me to do sudo dpkg --configure -a, what i did what announces: update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-preempt
[17:28] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, the exact same thing happens here, got a fix?
[17:29] <CosmiChaos> i excatly did this nine steps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/509328 Comment #3
[17:29] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, well i just hit few seconds ago by myself
[17:30] <CosmiChaos> hmm sooooo well reverse engineer it i will have a try
[17:30] <dupondje> is the bug of the gdm not starting correctly also fixed ? cause I still have a corrupt screen when booted
[17:30] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, thanks, I'll check it out
[17:31] <alex_mayorga> dupondje, I guess not, mine is also borked :(
[17:32] <dupondje> alex_mayorga: you know if there is some bugreport around ?
[17:33] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, especially step 2 might be a huge problem
[17:33] <alex_mayorga> dupondje: not really
[17:33] <CosmiChaos> attention to the correct line again alex_mayorga
[17:34] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, I see that the bug is a duplicate now
[17:34] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, step one is definetly not a problem
[17:35] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, yep but at least the workaround worked ;)
[17:37] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, fair enough, in any case I wouldn't get the fixes as this messes up aptitude right?
[17:38] <CosmiChaos> set the commentations right in 3 files, remove line 104 of the conf script, then sudo update-grub ; sudo update-initramfs -u ; reboot and try the sudo dpgk-reconfiger -a
[17:38] <CosmiChaos> or wait till i tried now
[17:39] <CosmiChaos> $ sudo update-initramfs -uupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-preempt ; cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Funktion stat fehlgeschlagen: No such file or directory
[17:40] <CosmiChaos> now i have no idea left ....
[17:40] <dupondje> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 185.18.31, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 185.18.36.  Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[17:40] <dupondje> any idea ?
[17:40] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8804856&postcount=25
[17:41] <CosmiChaos> dupondje, does nvidia-support your card?
[17:41] <dupondje> guess so ...
[17:41] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos: saw that earlier here, dunno if is the same think, my German is not as good
[17:43] <dupondje> CosmiChaos: 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:43] <dupondje> 	Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nvidiafb
[17:43] <dupondje> seems so
[17:44] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, did you already undo the workaround for the bootlogo?
[17:45] <bjsnider> dupondje, runt he command dkms status
[17:45]  * alex_mayorga is sitting in a corner scared
[17:45] <dupondje> bjsnider: nvidia-current, 190.53, 2.6.32-12-generic, x86_64: installed
[17:46] <bjsnider> have you used nvidia's installer in the past?
[17:46] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, I'm trying to solve "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." first
[17:46] <CosmiChaos> nvidia-current, 195.36.03, 2.6.32-12-preempt, x86_64: installed  is what i got
[17:46] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, yeah just run that after the fix you told me ;)
[17:46] <dupondje> bjsnider: nope, but seems like the logs are not up-to-date, removed, will reboot and see if I get it again
[17:47] <CosmiChaos> and then try snaptic again
[17:47] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos: baby steps, please?
[17:48] <CosmiChaos> alex_mayorga, follow that instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8804856&postcount=25, sclose synaptic, run "sudo dpkg --configure -a", start synaptic
[17:50] <CosmiChaos> the instructions tell: "sudo gedit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev" go to script #50 and change the marked line by removing .sh
[17:50] <CosmiChaos> it may be a bit scary with nano ;)
[17:52] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, thanks, let me give that a try
[17:53] <alex_mayorga> CosmiChaos, updates are working again, thanks!
[17:54] <CosmiChaos> yep what about your bootlogo?
[17:54] <alex_mayorga> after lunch I guess :)
[17:55] <CosmiChaos> brb
[18:24] <jdobrien> where in launchpad should I report bugs for lucid? I got a "Broken Pipe" message when running the install, but it seems to be working ok
[18:31] <arand> jdobrien: just mention that it's ssen on lucid, is that when starting or when running the installer itself (ubiquity)?
[18:32] <jdobrien> arand, it's while booting from the CD image
[18:33] <arand> Yea, just boot messages, I don't know if that's the kernel, plymouth or gdm, but it's common though...
[20:03] <alex_mayorga> does butterfly-telepathy crashes every other minute for anyone else?
[20:15] <yofel> yay, kde 4.4.00 :D
[20:15] <oxymoron> Lucid Lynx users/developers, what can I expect from it in the future stable release? :P
[20:21] <Bookman> Anyone know if the Wicd/Ubuntu 10.04 bug has been addressed?
[20:22] <JoshuaL> Bookman, tried a search on the bug tracker?
[20:25] <Bookman> JoshuaL, I've not had much luck in the past using launchpad.  Very slow and error prone.
[20:25] <Bookman> Like right now, error.
[20:26] <yofel> Bookman: which page?
[20:26] <JoshuaL> ah yeah me too
[20:26] <sburwood> anyone seen lucid?
[20:26] <Bookman> yofel, just a search response to "Wicd"
[20:26] <Bookman> Happens all the time
[20:26] <yofel> hm, tried 'edge.launchpad.net' ?
[20:27] <Bookman> Nope, just launchpad.net and gave up.
[20:28] <sburwood> I have an old P4 2.4G
[20:28] <sburwood> I hope it'll work on my computer
[20:28] <yofel> sburwood: you could try a daily live disk and find out ;)
[20:29] <yofel> don't expect it to work though
[20:29] <sburwood> yofel: where do I find that?
[20:29] <yofel> !daily | sburwood
[20:29] <Bookman> I find this whole bug reporting thing very, very confusing and hard to track/follow.  I gave up yesterday trying to post a bug.
[20:30] <yofel> sburwood: you'll want the daily-live disk
[20:30] <yofel> Bookman: generally, if you have problems with launchpad you should ask in #launchpad
[20:31] <yofel> Bookman: if you have problems with the bug reporting process ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[20:31] <sburwood> yofel: why shouln t I expect it to work?
[20:31] <Bookman> yofel, you had a problem yesterday with Wicd, no?
[20:31] <yofel> sburwood: we get dozens of new packages every day, some work some don't and you won't know until someone tries it
[20:32] <yofel> sburwood: kubuntu lucid works fine for me so far, but plymouth has grave issues with the proprietare nvidia driver for example
[20:32] <yofel> Bookman: I use Network Manager
[20:33] <sburwood> yofel: I use nvidia, so that interests me
[20:33] <sburwood> thx
[20:33] <sburwood> I m a bit of a n00b
[20:33] <sburwood> bye
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> what do you use to read SMS from your phone via bluetooth?
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> something more a bit more complete than gnome-phone-manager maybe?
[20:50] <shushek> hello friends', i tried 10.04 yesterday.. but wasnt able to login after the installation..
[20:50] <shushek> can anyone advice.. i know it is still in testing
[20:51] <alex_mayorga> shushek, why couldn't you login?
[20:52] <shushek> the whole screen was all blank, cant see anything after the logo..
[20:53] <shushek> i even tried goin into the terminal, but cant see anything there as well but only some faded colors like its not taking my graphics
[20:53] <shushek> i didnt did a clean installation but it was an upgrade to 9.10
[20:54] <Bookman> yofel, well, going to #launchpad is useless....hmm how to report a bug about a bug reporting system?
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> Bookman, isn't there a link to file a bug in launchpad itself somewhere?
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> Bookman, try https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[20:57] <alex_mayorga> so is there a tool that would let me see, delete SMSs messages on my cell using bluetooth?
[20:57] <alex_mayorga> anyone?
[21:06] <arand> alex_mayorga: wammu
[21:07] <shushek> alex_mayorg, can you advice something on my issue
[21:07] <shushek> if possible
[21:09] <Bookman> I give up!  Bug reporting/searching does not work.  Reporting the bug in the bug system does not work.  Reporthing that in the bug reporting irc does not work.  I'm exhausted trying to help out!
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> arand: thanks, will check it out
[21:10] <mzuverink> How to rid system of brown  ubuntu slider logo on start up?
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> does evolution supports SMS management?
[21:12] <mzuverink> is it possible to go back to the post 9.10 gdm login manager w/ a choice in 9.10?
[21:14] <yofel> Bookman: as I said, if you need help with reporting bugs please go to #ubuntu-bugs, the experts are there
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:14] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:14] <BUGabundo> lost my audio in this session
[21:15] <BUGabundo> wahts thsat comand that crimsun always says to restart it ?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> hey yofel?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> buzzing yet ?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> hey cool you can drag and detach and later reatach a tab from pidgin :D WIN
[21:16] <yofel> I'm just installing kde 4.4 final and then  try to reboot my eeePC after a week ^^
[21:17] <BUGabundo> okay, udev bug fixed!
[21:17] <BUGabundo> its safe to reboot :D
[21:17]  * BUGabundo trys to recall the darn pulseaudio restart command
[21:18] <virtuald> bugabundo: isn't it just killall pulseaudio and it'll respawn automatically?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> but its dead already :/
[21:18] <virtuald> O.O
[21:18] <BUGabundo> $ ps auxw  | grep pul
[21:18] <BUGabundo> 1000     17545  0.0  0.0   7404   924 pts/0    R+   21:18   0:00 grep --color=auto pul
[21:19] <virtuald> you forgot the colors :p
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> those --color thingies, are they going to be ignored by grep in the near future?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I hope not
[21:20]  * BUGabundo likes the color
[21:21]  * yofel too
[21:21] <BUGabundo> $ start-pulseaudio-x11
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Connection failure: Connection refused
[21:21] <BUGabundo> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[21:21] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ^^^^^^^^^^
[21:23] <virtuald> doesn't pulseaudio -d -vvvv work?
[21:23] <virtuald> i meant run it in the foreground i hope that does it
[21:24] <BUGabundo> $ pulseaudio -d -vvvv
[21:24] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio: invalid option -- 'd'
[21:24] <BUGabundo> E: main.c: Failed to parse command line.
[21:25] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, I like the color too, just I don't like the extra line messing my grep results
[21:25] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[21:25] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: alias grep to awk it out
[21:25] <alex_mayorga> specially if you're shell scripting or somehow use them
[21:26] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it's either --daemonize=false or -D (depending on whenever you want to run it in forerground or not - not sure which is default)
[21:26] <BUGabundo> virtuald: it does start, but all I get is dummy channel
[21:27] <virtuald> what do you mean, it can't find or doesn't use your sound card?
[21:28] <virtuald> yes/no
[21:29] <BUGabundo> I mean it needs a reboot
[21:29] <virtuald> ok
[21:29] <BUGabundo> now I wonder if there's a away to "reboot" all sound system _without_ restart my laptop
[21:30] <virtuald> you could try rmmod-ing all sound modules
[21:31] <virtuald> and maybe restart alsa-base
[21:31] <virtuald> maybe it's alsa-mixer-save now and not alsa-base and probably not needed
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hey Amaranth
[21:32] <Amaranth> howdy
[21:38] <yofel> ok, reboot worked :)
[21:43] <metricpiano> is there an evolution mail room?  my #IRC list isn't coming up
[21:45] <JFo> BUGabundo, I see you had some issues in bug 391215
[21:45] <JFo> have you had the same issues with Lucid?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> JFo: haven't tried it
[21:46] <JFo> ok
[21:46] <BUGabundo> and now that I use nouveu I already have that!
[21:46] <JFo> heh
[21:55] <Fanfare> Q: How to suggest rosegarden (music) 10 for Lucid?
[21:58] <kklimonda> Fanfare, what do you mean by suggest? update to the nwere version?
[21:59] <Fanfare> kklimonda: yes, i see 1.7.3 in the official repo, but there is a 10.0 beta 2 out, Which is a kde4 rewrite of rosegarden...
[22:00] <kklimonda> Fanfare, but it's still beta - will it get released before march 11?
[22:00] <Fanfare> hm, good question...
[22:00] <RAOF> Or, more pertinent, before Feb 18th, which is feature freeze.
[22:00] <Fanfare> The final release will take place in February 2010.
[22:00] <kklimonda> Fanfare, the featurefreeze is 18th february and at least beta should be uploaded till then
[22:01] <kklimonda> before*
[22:02] <nigelbabu> can someone tell me at what point they see this message? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39017101/Bildschirmfoto.png
[22:02] <nigelbabu> its in german, in english its supposed to say "Set display settings"
[22:02] <kklimonda> nigelbabu, I've never seen this message :)
[22:03] <nigelbabu> kklimonda, oh
[22:05] <kklimonda> Fanfare, I'm not sure if you are going to find someone interested in getting package updated till 18th. So unless you are willing to help (in which case you should join #ubuntu-motu and ask for comments) the chance of getting new release into lucid is slim
[22:05] <virtuald> i've only seen something like that as a pop up from the Display settings icon when I've activated that
[22:06] <kklimonda> I guess it makes sense - till now I've never used this tool as it doesn't support nvidia drivers
[22:06] <kklimonda> nigelbabu, as virtuald said it comes from Display settings icon
[22:06] <Fanfare> I wonder if the Ubuntu-Studio ppl are not interested therein...
[22:07] <nigelbabu> thanks virtuald and kklimonda :)
[22:07] <virtuald> 8]
[22:07] <Fanfare> but i can TRY to help too...
[22:11] <Guest94638> I see that usplash is in universe in lucid, is it going to be replaced by another tool?
[22:11] <arand> Guest94638: Plymouth afaik
[22:12] <kklimonda> yes, plymouth it is
[22:14] <metricpiano> Trying to use kMyMoney and I need a KDE settings manager to change the date format.  Since kMyMoney won't work on KDE4 I need to install KDE3 and I want to verify that this is correct: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop-kde3 for a KDE3 that will work under Ubuntu 10.4?
[22:15] <kklimonda> metricpiano, you will need some 3rd party repository for that
[22:16] <kklimonda> metricpiano, and at least for now the PPA that was used with karmic and previous releases doesn't have packages for lucid.
[22:17] <metricpiano> will lucid have it by the time it's released?
[22:17] <BluesKaj> metricpiano, why do you say  kMyMoney won't run on kde4?
[22:18] <kklimonda> metricpiano, most likely
[22:18] <BluesKaj> it's available in the repos
[22:19] <metricpiano> info from ipwizard the kmymoney project admin
[22:19] <metricpiano> said it wouldn't work
[22:51] <Ng> erk
[22:51] <Ng> is anyone else's update-initramfs exploding?
[22:55] <RAOF> Ng: Yes, that's bug 519855
[22:55] <yofel> Ng: somewhat about missing firmware.sh?
[22:57] <Ng> yep :)
[23:09] <dupondje> will the grub2 in Lucid support dmraid ?
[23:10] <EagleScreen> dupondje: you may ask in #grub
[23:11] <EagleScreen> ask for the version supperting it and check if it is in lucid
[23:15]  * maxb boots a lucid partition for the first time in several weeks
[23:15]  * maxb upgrades 501 packages :-)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> pff
[23:15] <BUGabundo> that's nothing
[23:15] <BUGabundo> wait until 200 of those break
[23:15] <BUGabundo> wb BluesKaj
[23:17] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo , been semi successful with wicd on the ralink usb adapter on the desktop.Strange thing is only parts of pages are loading
[23:17] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:18] <BluesKaj> an idea why that would be ?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> never used wicd
[23:20] <BluesKaj> i'm on the laptop right now because irc seems to take over 5 mins to connect
[23:20] <BluesKaj> on the desktop
[23:22] <BluesKaj> nm doesn't cut it on lucid
[23:31] <Bookman_> It seems that the Wicd Ubuntu 10.04 is solved!
[23:41] <BluesKaj> maybe for him it is ...of course he didn't stick around to wait for any reaction:)
[23:42] <crimsun> virtuald: /etc/init/alsa-mixer-save.conf is an upstart job that I wrote that does precisely what its filename implies. It has nothing to do with unloading alsa driver modules; that's the function of the /sbin/alsa script.
[23:44] <BluesKaj> wicd isn't working on my pc , it's just cached web data that's loading in the browser, the router indicates the desktop pc is not connected, altho wicd shows 80%
[23:44] <crimsun> BUGabundo: /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 no longer explictily invokes the daemon. Therefore, if you have autospawn disabled, you'll need to remove that change (and reenable autospawn).
[23:45] <virtuald> /sbin/alsa?
[23:46] <virtuald> this new stuff is so confusing
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: please remember me where are the autospawn off ?
[23:49] <crimsun> virtuald: if you consider "has been there since hardy" "new", ok...
[23:49] <crimsun> BUGabundo: either in /etc/client.conf or ~/.pulse/client.conf
[23:49] <crimsun> err, /etc/pulse/client.conf
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ; autospawn = yes
[23:50] <BUGabundo> so its default system crimsun
[23:51] <BUGabundo> FYI I had a session opened in mute, logoff, logon again, no sound since then
[23:52] <virtuald> i haven't had enough reason to poke around with alsa stuff and sysv init is old enough to still call this new. and sysv init at least had everything in one place (/etc)
[23:53] <crimsun> BUGabundo: if it isn't a user config, it sounds like some odd GNOME race; there isn't any reason that PA would _not_ autospawn
[23:53] <virtuald> shouldn't there be a man page for everything in /sbin?
[23:53] <crimsun> virtuald: file a bug, write a man page, attach a patch
[23:54] <virtuald> i don't know tex, what can i use?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:54] <crimsun> virtuald: also, it has not been used as a proper initscript since ... 5.10
[23:55] <BUGabundo> crimsun: is there a way to restart all audio stuff?
[23:55] <virtuald> (just don't expect me to really do it, i'll probably forget about it)
[23:55] <crimsun> BUGabundo: /sbin/alsa force-reload
[23:56] <virtuald> crimsun: why not?
[23:57] <crimsun> virtuald: because it's wrong. It /shouldn't/ be an initscript, which is why it no longer exists as one.
[23:57] <crimsun> virtuald: namely, why do you need to invoke an /initscript/ to save or restore volumes?
[23:58] <virtuald> it still looks a lot like an init script to me
[23:58] <crimsun> virtuald: nothing calls /sbin/alsa
[23:59] <virtuald> ok
[23:59] <crimsun> virtuald: it's there purely for convenience, and I'm going to remove it post-LTS


[01:05] <Takyoji> Anyone burnt a .cdr file at all before?
[01:05] <Takyoji> K3B doesn't seem to imply support for the format
[01:06] <Takyoji> and simply renaming it to .iso obviously doesn't work either
[01:22] <ripps> hmm... according to something I read, .cdr is an extension for cd/dvd images created by final cut pro. According to it, they're actually just .iso...
[01:33] <Takyoji> Yea, I realized that when reading from another source.
[01:33] <Takyoji> Last night when I tried by using K3B it didn't say it was a real ISO or something along those lines, but Brasero seemed to accept it just fine.
[01:33] <Takyoji> Erm, not K3B; I was trying to run it in Virtualbox. xP
[06:14] <Takyoji> By the way, anyone have issues shutting down in Karmic?
[07:06] <Takyoji> Erm, Lucid (10.04) I mean
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> Nope
[07:31] <Takyoji> Because the issue seems present on both my desktop and laptop
[07:31] <Takyoji> That when I try to shutdown, it does nothing (sometimes)


[20:08] <mwhudson> morning
[20:10] <thumper> mwhudson: hi
[20:10] <thumper> mwhudson: call?
[20:10] <mwhudson> thumper: couple minutes, but yes
[20:11] <thumper> ok
[20:18] <mwhudson> thumper: choose your technology
[20:18] <thumper> mwhudson: skype
[20:19] <mwhudson> thumper: calling
[22:57] <lifeless> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/gerald/0.3.1


[05:46] <hyperair> is there a script i can use to fetch the abi files of the previously built kernel?
[05:46] <hyperair> or do i need to manually download the debs myself?
[06:06] <hyperair> aha, found it.
[09:24]  * apw yawns
[09:35]  * cking offers apw a coffee
[09:36]  * smb thinks about another one
[09:37]  * apw drinks some tea, and reads scrolback on #ibm
[09:38] <smb> apw needs danger sensitive sunglases
[09:38]  * apw idly wonders why so many people are suddenly want non-pae kernels, given its been like 4 releases since we supported them
[09:39] <smb> apw, Because now it the next lts
[09:39] <apw> you still maintining your fork of that ?
[09:40] <smb> apw, No I never was
[09:40] <smb> Oh you mean last last lts... if that was this lucid thing
[09:40]  * cking wonders how old non-pae cpus are
[09:41] <apw> yeah weren't you building something for a via
[09:41] <smb> cking, still found in x86 embedded options
[09:41] <smb> cking, Like AMD's Geode
[09:41] <cking> oh, the Geode, bleah
[09:42] <smb> cking, Incidentally what I am currently running my firewall/router on
[09:44] <hyperair> apw: because phillw leveled up his bugging skills.
[09:45] <hyperair> i told him to just build a nonpae flavour, stick it in a PPA somewhere, and roll it out in a custom ISO
[09:45] <hyperair> for people with prehistoric hardware
[09:46] <apw> it is only like 3-4 options config wise for sure
[13:05] <xnox> apw: hola! =) I have a fresh armhf-cross-toolchain-base at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/armhf-cross-toolchain-base/1.103 I've blocked in -proposed at the moment. Can it be tested at cross-compiling & booting kernels or some such?
[13:05] <xnox> it's a jump from eglibc 2.17 -> 2.18, compiled with gcc 4.8 instead of 4.7
[13:06] <xnox> i'll compile a few things here and check that they are roughly sensible, but more testing would be nicer, considering that kernel/armhf folks probably rely on it more.
[13:06] <xnox> arm64, powerpc, ppc64el are to follow.
[13:14] <apw> xnox, i am sure we can, will see what i can make up
[13:14] <xnox> apw: cheers. i'll be holding it in proposed, until some positive results.
[13:19] <xnox> rbasak: ^
[13:21] <rbasak> A cross-compile of the kernel is probably the best test I can think of. I'm not sure I can think of what else I can test that might be useful.
[13:57] <hyperair> apw: 3-4 options sounds simple enough, but to someone who is unfamiliar with building kernels, it's hardly easy.
[13:58] <hyperair> and i'm having trouble digging through the packaging stuff anyways
[13:58] <hyperair> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160113188/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.linux_3.11.0-15.23%2Bhyper2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- so after over 5 hours, it tells me EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy)
[13:58] <hyperair> but it doesn't say which module is missing
[13:58]  * hyperair sighs
[13:58] <hyperair> fml
[13:59] <hyperair> i guess that means i now need to find 20GB of free space to test build this so i can do a proper post mortem
[14:00] <apw> hyperair, it should list them when it saysmissing modules, just above
[14:00] <hyperair>       read 4149 modules : new(0)  missing(1)
[14:01] <hyperair>       MISS: /home/hyperair/src/debian/linux/nonpae/ubuntu-saucy/abi-tmp-3.11.0-15.23/tmp
[14:01] <hyperair> this line?
[14:01] <apw> MISS: yeah, though the crap on the end of it, seems wrong
[14:01] <hyperair> oh yeah you're right
[14:01] <hyperair> O_o
[14:01] <hyperair> it shouldn't be /home/hyperair
[14:02] <hyperair> how did that line creep into the .modules files?
[14:02] <hyperair> =\
[14:04] <hyperair> apw: thanks
[16:02] <apw> xnox it occurs to me that i don't need this package to cross the kerenl, so i don't think it is a good test fo ryou
[16:03] <xnox> apw: oh, quite.
[16:03] <xnox> kernels are independant of the libc6 ;-)
[16:04] <xnox> sorry about that. In my world everything needs libc6 =)
[16:04] <apw> heh yeah ... doh should have thought of that before going and trying to do ti :)
[17:12] <imMute> so my kernel options include "console=ttyS0,115200n8" and even though I run "dmesg -n 7", KERN_DEBUG messages aren't printed to the console - I have to run dmesg to see them.  This is not the case on my other Linux machine - what is different about Ubuntu?
[17:46] <kdub> sforshee, i came up with a patch that fixes/robustifies powerd against the problem i was seeing... just for my understanding though, what is 'earlysuspend'?
[18:46] <yates> why am i getting such a long delay at line 831 here: http://ur1.ca/g7wwe -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/62960/38739154
[19:16] <sforshee> kdub: earlysuspend is specific to android kernels. Essentially it's a state where some drivers have suspended their devices but the system hasn't fully suspended.
[19:16] <kdub> sforshee, is it more on older devices or new devices?
[19:16] <sforshee> android kernels will commonly suspend he display and touchscreen via this mechanism
[19:17] <sforshee> it's mostly older devices, I belive it's more-or-less deprecated
[19:17] <sforshee> but it's still common
[19:17] <sforshee> as far as kernels that I've looked at go I think only the nexus 10 wasn't using it
[19:19] <kdub> and when coming out of suspend, some devices will exit suspend before the system is fully active, i presume
[19:19] <sforshee> but as long as we wait on wait_for_fb_wake the display device _should_ be out of early suspend and ready to use
[19:19] <sforshee> the traditional suspend/resume mechanism resumes devices before thawing userspace tasks
[19:20] <sforshee> but earlysuspend doesn't
[19:21] <kdub> sforshee, thanks, good info
[20:44] <TooLmaN> Unique bootstrap question.  I'm trying to install Ubuntu Core on a Wyse thin client with a 1GB flash drive inside.  I have everything properly installed (rootfs, kernel files, etc) and syslinux'ed the drive.  On boot I just get "boot error" like it isn't seeing the drive.  I believe these TCs are setup as a SuperFloppy?  Any tips on getting it to boot?  Thanks
[20:45] <TooLmaN> oh, I setup a 100MB FAT partition and the rest Ext3
[20:49] <JanC_UEFI_test> TooLmaN: what CPU is in those?
[20:50] <TooLmaN> I believe x86.
[20:50] <TooLmaN> That's what the Live USB drive used
[20:50] <TooLmaN> I haven't tried to replicate the test in a VM yet
[20:52] <JanC_UEFI_test> TooLmaN: so, the live USB booted on the TC?
[20:52] <TooLmaN> yes, I used it to do all the work.  formatting, partitioning, copying files, etc.  It runs fine off the live usb
[20:53] <TooLmaN> I've used syslinux for years.  Just not sure what I'm missing here
[20:53] <TooLmaN> My goal is to get one TC working properly and image it to deploy to the other
[20:53] <TooLmaN> others*
[20:55] <JanC_UEFI_test> maybe check what possibly relevant drivers are loaded by the live USB and make sure those are available in initramfs?
[20:57] <JanC_UEFI_test> although, I guess the error you see might be earlier, in syslinux?
[20:58] <JanC_UEFI_test> also, drives might be numbered differently depending on which one you boot from in some BIOSes
[20:59] <JanC_UEFI_test> oh, and make sure the boot partition is marked as such
[21:00] <JanC_UEFI_test> IIRC I had to do that on some old WYSE TC
[21:01] <TooLmaN> JanC_UEFI_test, I'll check a few.  It's a syslinux-level error
[21:02] <TooLmaN> the BIOS sees the internal drive as a hard drive
[21:02] <TooLmaN> This is a wyse CL50 TC
[21:02] <TooLmaN> it shipped with Suse but I had 2X ThinClientOS on it
[21:03] <TooLmaN> wanting to make them simple web page display appliances running into screens around the plant
[21:04] <TooLmaN> I can do this with RPi's, and I have a couple up, but I don't want them going to waste