[00:02] <rick_h> huwshimi: yea, that's on my todo for autocomplete. Basically we'll need a viewNavigate with some sort of history flag that tells it to reload the previous state
[00:02] <rick_h> huwshimi: so it doesn't exist yet, and needs to be defined/coded into the bit that updates state to go off the old state first.
[00:03] <huwshimi> rick_h: Ah right. We need some breadcrumbs under the search box so I was going to start that with a home button but I'll leave that until your bits are in place.
[00:03] <rick_h> huwshimi: ok
[00:03] <huwshimi> (Unless doing breadcrumbs as part of your work makes sense)
[00:03] <huwshimi> rick_h: ^
[00:03] <rick_h> huwshimi: not really
[00:04] <huwshimi> rick_h: Sure :)
[00:05] <rick_h> huwshimi: honestly we're a bit out of the loop. We didn't think we'd still be on this and we've ignore much of the new design/etc.
[00:06] <huwshimi> rick_h: OK sure.
[00:06] <rick_h> so breadcrumbs is 'what breadcrumbs?' :)
[00:06] <huwshimi> rick_h: Fair enough :)
[00:07] <huwshimi> rick_h: The latest visuals for the autocomplete have the breadcumbs in them, so hopefully you're building the right thing :P
[00:08] <rick_h> huwshimi: https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1ZmdTTDdTZEdFOGM is what I'm going off of. It's what I know about in the oscon deliverables folder and search
[00:08] <rick_h> nothing there, so if ther's other stuff we need to be updated.
[00:09] <rick_h> and we should start killing off out of date visuals as there's too damn many things floating around in docs to keep up with
[00:09] <huwshimi> rick_h: Agreed.
[00:10] <huwshimi> rick_h: That's the latest one. The screen for when you've searched or when you're browsing a category has the breadcrumbs
[00:11] <huwshimi> rick_h: I.e https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1ZVpkRjVtY0luaE0/edit
[02:51] <hatch> evening gui nightcrew
[02:51] <hatch> aka huwshimi
[02:51] <huwshimi> hatch: Night
[02:52] <hatch> oh I was using evening as a greeting
[02:53] <hatch> :)
[02:54] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh, hello :)
[11:55] <luca__> can someone help me bzr something? argh...
[11:55] <rick_h> luca__: rgr
[11:55] <luca__> rick_h: I was hoping you wouldn't help since I pestered you so much yesterday!
[11:55] <rick_h> luca__: going to be slim pickings this morning :)
[11:56] <luca__> rick_h: I've just typed "bzr branch lp:~huwshimi/juju-gui/visual-update-4"
[11:56] <rick_h> though I don't know. Sometimes some of the guys are around in the moring but in quiet mode
[11:56] <luca__> hehe yeah :(
[11:56] <luca__> and it came back with "Branched 824 revisions. "
[11:56] <rick_h> luca__: ok, and you have a visual-update-4 directory like yesterday?
[11:56] <rick_h> luca__: ah heh, so you did that in some other path than the previous one?
[11:57] <luca__> I have a update-4 directory in my files
[11:57] <rick_h> luca__: ok
[11:58] <luca__> but when I type "make devel" it says "make: *** No rule to make target `devel'. Stop.
[11:58] <luca__> "
[11:58] <luca__> it's never done that before
[11:58] <rick_h> luca__: so you have to be in the directory in the project that has the Makefile in it
[11:58] <rick_h> if you can't do an `ls` and see the Makefile then you're not going to be able to run make *
[11:59] <luca__> right
[11:59] <luca__> so I need to cd into the update-4 file?
[11:59] <rick_h> luca__: correct
[11:59] <luca__> ah "make devel" is doing something now
[12:00] <luca__> I need to obviously update my instructions
[12:01] <luca__> so, it should be:
[12:01] <luca__> 1. cd .. (cd src/jujugui/)
[12:01] <luca__> 2. run "bzr branch lp:~juju-gui/juju-gui/browser-default"
[12:01] <luca__> 3. cd to file drectory
[12:01] <luca__> 4. run "make devel"
[12:01] <luca__> 5. Open browser and visit http://localhost:8888/
[12:02] <rick_h> luca__: that looks good
[12:02] <luca__> rick_h: nice
[12:02] <luca__> rick_h: it's all up and running in the browser, thanks for your help again :D
[12:02] <rick_h> luca__: np, glad to help :)
[12:03] <luca__> rick_h: :)
[12:26] <luca__> rick_h: do you have the link to that site where I can leave feedback for the branch?
[12:50] <rick_h> luca__: sorry, missed your request there. https://codereview.appspot.com/11160043/ is the link
[12:52] <luca__> rick_h: thanks :D
[13:06] <rick_h> gary_poster: so huw's branch is a LGTM with the update branch I've linked into the comments. luca__ might have some other feedback. If someone can help usher that through that'd be great.
[13:06] <luca__> rick_h: I have 8 bugs so far
[13:06] <gary_poster> fantastic, thanks for the update branch rick_h .  luca__ are any of them  showstoppers or ok to land separately?
[13:06] <rick_h> luca__: k
[13:07] <luca__> gary_poster: nothing serious, I'll send them to you in 2 seconds
[13:07] <luca__> gary_poster: it looks very good
[13:07] <gary_poster> luca__, awesome thanks
[13:09] <luca__> gary_poster: sent
[13:09] <gary_poster> thx, will look soon (on call)
[13:09] <luca__> gary_poster: no worries
[13:33] <jcsackett> sinzui: having issues with g+, be on standup soon.
[13:36] <bac> gary_poster: let me know when you'd like to have our cal
[13:37] <bac> our call, not our cal
[13:37] <gary_poster> bac, yeah sorry finishing up
[13:37] <bac> np
[13:59] <gary_poster> luca__, is https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/?tab=co#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1Y3k3UWJibndUbHc narrow charm details the visual design for the vertical scrollbar?
[14:07] <hatch> morning
[14:12] <luca__> gary_poster: yep
[14:12] <luca__> gary_poster: we're not entirely sure what we can do with a scroll bar so….if you guys have some good ideas then I would be really happy to see them.
[14:13] <gary_poster> luca__, ok cool.  so we shouldn't worry too much with assets for now, but just get it working then, IIUC. bac ^^^
[14:13] <bac> rt
[14:13] <luca__> gary_poster: bac yeah, the most important thing is that it's unobtrusive
[14:14] <luca__> gary_poster: bac we like chromes scroll bars which disappear
[14:14] <bac> luca__: actually, we're talking about the vertical zoom slider
[14:15] <bac> luca__: gary_poster misspoke when he said scrollbar
[14:15] <gary_poster> sorry
[14:15] <luca__> gary_poster: bac oh!
[14:15] <luca__> gary_poster: bac then yes, thats the one :D
[14:15] <luca__> gary_poster: bac I can send you the assets if you need them
[14:15] <gary_poster> luca__, +1
[14:15] <bac> yes please
[14:16] <gary_poster> rick_h, you available for a quick call about charm model issues?  will let you go asap I promise :-)
[14:16] <rick_h> gary_poster: sure thing
[14:16] <bac> luca__: with the slider marker (called the 'thumb' in yui-speak) have a drop shadow?
[14:18] <abentley> adeuring: I believe your get-content-from-bzr branch will fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1199780 See comment #4
[14:18] <_mup_> Bug #1199780: search requests errors when a charm has no last_change <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199780>
[14:18] <luca__> bac: the little white circle does have a drop shadow
[14:19] <luca__> bac: I'm sending you assets for this zoom bar https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1QjdzNWMwUm9ENDg/edit?usp=sharing
[14:20] <bac> luca__: yui requires the marker and shadow to be in one image as sprites.  i may need to work with you to get that done correctly.
[14:20] <luca__> bac: ok
[14:20] <adeuring> abentley: it _might_ fix the error  -- but it is also a reminder that I should test how the new code behaves for an empty branch
[14:21] <abentley> adeuring: True.
[14:23] <abentley> sinzui: If the charm store doesn't care which branch is promulgated, should we?
[14:28] <sinzui> abentley, I don't think we want to care
[14:29] <sinzui> abentley, I think the store is making zips from snapshots. It doesn't care about continuity.
[14:33] <hatch> luca__: is the prototype scrolling wrong? I was under the impression that it should 'push' the previous one up? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10004366/juju-gui/index.html#
[14:34] <hatch> one being heading
[14:34] <hatch> right now that prototype simply covers up the previous one
[14:35] <luca__> hatch: that's correct, it should push the other header out like it does on iOS and instagram, Ant couldn't spend too much time on it.
[14:35] <hatch> *phew* ok
[14:42] <hatch> luca__: I should also mention that the 'push up' kind of looks like garbage when using a scroll wheel on a mouse with a large scroll value
[14:43] <hatch> I'm wondering if we shouldn't trap the scroll and then animate it ourselves
[14:43] <hatch> (this is of course way more work)
[14:43] <hatch> ^ gary_poster if you're around you may want to weigh in
[14:43] <luca__> hatch: the push seems to be really hard to animate
[14:44] <luca__> hatch: as a compromise we was looking at possibly a fade state between the 2 colliding headers
[14:44] <hatch> well yes the push is hard - but that's not really the issue
[14:44] <gary_poster> hatch, trap scroll and animate: +1 as bug for later work
[14:44] <hatch> ok I'll create that bug
[14:44] <hatch> luca__: are you ok with that?
[14:45] <luca__> hatch: do you mean something like that demo you showed me yesterday?
[14:46] <hatch> when header 2 comes in contact with header one, it pushes header one up as it scrolls
[14:46] <luca__> hatch: ok, that is what we want
[14:46] <hatch> however when you use a scroll wheel it 'jumps' which looks bad because of the order of events that need to happen
[14:47] <luca__> hatch: right
[14:47] <hatch> so we will need to trap the scroll and then animate the scroll ourselves
[14:47] <hatch> to smoothen it out
[14:47] <luca__> hatch: that makes sense, thanks
[14:48] <hatch> alllrighty
[15:00] <sinzui> luca__, arosales_, rick_h: We appear to be accepting icons that are not based on the one true icon template: http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/postgresql shows the issue best. orangesquad discussed enforcing icons based on the template, and we concluded that would be too strict. We can revisit the decision.
[15:01] <rick_h> sinzui: yea, I think it's great to help with the icons, but not sure it's great to enforce too much as many projects have established icons and not all charmers are going to be graphic artists to adjust/fix them?
[15:01] <rick_h> basically we stand to take a hit on charm submissions/etc if we enforce it too much. Then again, we only show them for reviewed charms so that limits the numbers a bunch.
[15:02] <arosales_> sinzui, rick_h: I take it if the icon isn't in the correct format it is not picked up correctly in the charm browser?
[15:02] <rick_h> arosales_: if it's not icon.svg and valid svg (coming soon) it won't get pulled in.
[15:02] <rick_h> arosales_: however, if it's a valid svg, but doesn't use the gradient/lighting guidelines we accept it currently
[15:02] <sinzui> arosales_, the icon template has the squircle outline and sets the dimensions to 96x96
[15:03] <sinzui> the template has a gradient. users may change it, but they must follow the guidelines
[15:04] <arosales_> aiui as long as a charmer submits a valid svg, their icon will show up even if they don't follow the template/guidelines, correct?
[15:04] <sinzui> no
[15:04] <sinzui> arosales_, icons are only shown for reviewed charms. ~charmers approved the icon
[15:05] <arosales_> sinzui, yes sorry. If they are ack'ed by the review process too.
[15:06] <arosales_> sinzui, but if ~charmers don't catch the icon not being in the correct format and still ack it will show up in the store as long as its a valid svg
[15:06] <arosales_> my question is around how much review ~charmers should be doing around the icon
[15:06] <hatch> darn my trackpad is out of batteries
[15:08] <sinzui> arosales, I don't see think document on juju.ubuntu.com. I thought it was added: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hBTH_7RLUYMV-VhZOGxb-bFHICXyVRU4t8L79Dlea80/pub
[15:09] <frankban> bac: could you please take another look at https://codereview.appspot.com/11110043 ?
[15:09] <bac> frankban: sure
[15:09] <frankban> thanks
[15:09] <arosales> jcastro, did you icon guide get ported over to the new docs
[15:10] <arosales> sinzui, ya I am not seeing it. We'll need to add that
[15:10] <hatch> gary_poster: luca__ http://jsbin.com/utitov/2/ - this breaks in FF for some reason and has an odd offset issue when scrolling back but it's very close
[15:10] <jcastro> we never added the icon guide to the docs
[15:11] <jcastro> we just gave people the google doc
[15:11] <jcastro> it never made it out of a google doc onto normal docs
[15:11] <hatch> oh noes not another Google Doc ;)
[15:11] <hatch> too soon?
[15:11] <arosales> jcastro, ah
[15:12] <arosales> jcastro, I'll sync up with evilnick on getting that google doc added to the docs
[15:12] <jcastro> I believe we used the "I sent it to the list, therefore it's documented" method on that one, heh
[15:13] <arosales> sinzui, in progress of adding it to the docs https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1199367
[15:13] <_mup_> Bug #1199367: icon.svg isn't documented anywhere <juju-core:Triaged by evilnick> <juju-core docs:Triaged by evilnick> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199367>
[15:14] <arosales> sinzui, any guidance on how much review of the icon ~charmers should do?  Must follow the template, can deviate a little, or any valid svg?
[15:18] <gary_poster> luca__, I remembered what I was going to say: the way we *can* get reuse of ant's prototype in the GUI is to reuse his brain :-)  he will have solved the issues before so maybe can be faster.  (whew, remembering makes me feel better ;-) )
[15:19] <hatch> hmm
[15:19] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/utitov/3/
[15:20] <hatch> is better but there is an issue
[15:20] <luca__> gary_poster: haha well, feel free to speak to him, he's solely on Juju until the end of next week so he can work on anything Juju related
[15:20] <gary_poster> cool luca__ :-) thanks
[15:20] <luca__> hatch: that's better, there seems to be a tiny issue scrolling upwards
[15:20] <hatch> it appears that scrolling fast and with different scroll values 'tricks' it into thinking it's in a different position than it should be
[15:20] <hatch> luca__: yeah, which doesn't happen if you scroll slowly heh
[15:20] <sinzui> arosales, sorry, webops pinged and I have waited 11 days to get their full attention
[15:20] <luca__> hatch: hehe
[15:21] <hatch> getting closer
[15:21] <hatch> scrolling is friggen hard
[15:21] <sinzui> arosales, per the guidelines in the url I pasted, I think the dos and don'ts section makes it easy to spot check.
[15:22] <hatch> luca__: btw it works stunningly (not a word) in FF now
[15:22] <hatch> heh
[15:22] <sinzui> arosales, the postgresql example is clearly missing the squircle and background
[15:22] <gary_poster> hatch, cool, I think I see the issue you mean
[15:23] <gary_poster> hatch lemme know if you think we should discuss trapping the scroll etc.
[15:24] <gary_poster> hatch just finished call.  going to your call :-P
[15:25] <gary_poster> Makyo, will probably be late ^^^
[15:25] <Makyo> gary_poster, ack, lmk
[15:25] <gary_poster> will do
[15:26] <luca__> bac: are the assets from jamie ok?
[15:26] <bac> luca__: except for the sprite/shadow issue.  haven't plugged them in yet.
[15:27] <luca__> bac: ok, let me know
[15:27] <bac> frankban: the code looks good but i haven't qa'd it yet.  did the changes you made address the issues i raised?
[15:28] <frankban> bac: yes, the should fix constraints order and unexpected conflicts
[15:28] <frankban> s/the/they
[15:28] <bac> frankban: great
[15:30] <bac> done frankban
[15:31] <frankban> great, thanks bac
[15:36] <luca__> Category results and Search results for browse mode can be seen here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1LS04ZTUyeUk1bEU/edit?usp=sharing
[15:37] <arosales> sinzui, ok. so well try to take a strong stance on the guidlines in the doc
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10 kanban now
[15:51] <hatch> luca__: can you tell me what the width of the inspector panel is and what the gap to the right of the inspector is
[15:53] <luca__> hatch: width is 290px
[15:54] <rick_h> I hate testing autocomplete. Talk about a mess of integration.
[15:54] <hatch> bcsaller: your status bar branch shows numbers for the units but the mockups don't - sorry I forgot to include that in my comments
[15:55] <luca__> rick_h: but auto-complete is one of my most beloved features ^^
[15:55] <rick_h> luca__: it's coming, just writing tests around it is a pita
[15:56] <rick_h> :P
[15:56] <luca__> hatch: the gap to the right hand side of the inspector is 20px
[15:57] <hatch> luca__: ok 20px all around, got it
[16:01] <sinzui> gary_poster, we are doing some in-place changes to the webops deployment script to gather all the pieces (release tarball and npm cache) into the charm for the deploy. I agreed to add a upgrade hook to support unpacking the tarballs for future deploys
[16:01] <gary_poster> jujugui call now
[16:02] <sinzui> np, just an fyi that I we are working on the deploy now
[16:02] <gary_poster> sinzui, you should not need the npm cache for non-dev builds; that may be a regression
[16:02] <sinzui> oh!
[16:02] <gary_poster> bcsaller, call ping
[16:05] <gary_poster> jcastro, bug 1194866 has fix going into review very soon
[16:05] <_mup_> Bug #1194866: Cannot deploy http://jujucharms.com/~marcoceppi/precise/discourse from GUI <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194866>
[16:05] <marcoceppi> \o/
[16:05] <marcoceppi> I can finally stop getting pings :P
[16:08] <benji> bac: I'm far from a CSS expert, but I'll be glad to pitch in once my branch is reviewed/landed.
[16:08] <bac> thanks benji
[16:10] <rick_h> here comes autocomplete: reviews please sinzui jcsackett hatch and luca__, if you want to peek to start writing up the UX issues. I wasn't sure on exact sizes of things in the result set. https://codereview.appspot.com/11126043
[16:10] <rick_h> this is sans-categories for an initial stab
[16:11] <hatch> bcsaller: did you see my comment about the status bar branch showing numbers?
[16:14] <gary_poster> frankban, how goes the arm stuff?
[16:14] <luca__> rick_h: I can check it tomorrow
[16:15] <frankban> gary_poster: Start in 1 hour -> https://launchpad.net/~frankban/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[16:17] <rick_h> luca__: cool. I look forward to the checklist to update :)
[16:30] <sinzui> orangesquad, does anyone have 5 minutes to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/sane-icon/+merge/174058
[16:30] <abentley> sinzui: Sure.
[16:33] <abentley> sinzui: Since abel is in the middle of changing it so we don't use the on-disk file, could you use from_bufffer instead?
[16:33] <sinzui> oh, yes I can
[16:33] <hatch> rick_h:  the 'reviewed' flag looks like a 'favourite' button, especially because the pointer changes to a cursor when you hover over it
[16:34] <rick_h> hatch: k, but the new design moves the reviewed badge over to a * on the right so it's just a fact of the charm-token for today
[16:35] <hatch> rick_h: it is a * on the right now though?
[16:35] <rick_h> hatch: huw's branch is up for review doing that.
[16:35] <hatch> no I mean, it is right now
[16:35] <rick_h> hatch: so it's pointless for me to make any UX mods to the charm-token for this design issue.
[16:35] <rick_h> hatch: ah, I don't have it locally in my branch atm I guess then
[16:36] <hatch> the first thing I thought was "oh cool you can favourite charms"
[16:36] <hatch> :)
[16:36] <rick_h> hatch: ok, well we can toss that to design, but not sure what to do about that atm
[16:36] <bcsaller> hatch: sorry, missed that, yes, it has numbers, some of the mocks did in the past. I think it makes sense to include them but if we get feedback otherwise its simple to remove. The ratios shown reserve minimum space for small segments so 9999 running units and 1 in error doesn't end up being 1 pixel. Because of that the numbers can make it clear if its 1 unit or 30 or whatever
[16:36] <hatch> bcsaller: yeah - I can see an argument for both, I just wanted to point it out in case it was accidental
[16:38] <hatch> rick_h: yeah maybe we can switch the star to a badge with two lions fighting over a steak
[16:38] <rick_h> hatch: ooh, needs moar shark!
[16:39] <hatch> ok ok - a shark can be jumping over the lions
[16:40] <hatch> benji: review done
[16:41] <benji> cool, thanks
[16:42] <sinzui> abentley, I had a bad push, If you look at the MP again you will see the code now reads from the handle provides and on 1k is read
[16:43] <sinzui> PS, the test actually shows the bare minimum to pass a magic match for svg
[16:45] <abentley> sinzui: RULES suggests that this branch enforces a 96x96 valid svg, when actually, that's being left to proof.
[16:45] <sinzui> abentley, right, that is what we want to do
[16:46] <abentley> sinzui: R=me.
[16:46] <sinzui> after todays discovery, we may want to do more like verify the same ids as the template are present, or check for the squircle and gradient elements
[16:55] <rick_h> teknico: review inbound
[16:56] <teknico> rick_h: thank you
[16:57] <sinzui> gary_poster, bac, juju-ui, the production deploy failed because the charm wants an npm cache: https://pastebin.canonical.com/94238/  This happens juju-gui-source changes. Is there another config setting that makes it clear we don't need the npm-cache? serve-tests=false perhaps?
[17:03] <frankban> gary_poster: the binary packages for i386, armel and armhf are now in ppa:juju-gui-charmers/devel . amd64 is still pending. I'd like to test the new packages before copying them in stable. I'll do that tomorrow morning
[17:04] <hatch> bcsaller: nice fix for the units
[17:16] <bcsaller> hatch: thanks
[17:28] <rick_h> anyone aware of the status bar code? I'm getting test failures, but only on test-prod in the views.StatusBar stuff?
[17:29] <rick_h> https://pastebin.canonical.com/94254/ I've make clean'd and runs fine in browser/debug.
[17:29] <gary_poster> benji, any quick fix for sinzui's report above?  This is high priority
[17:37] <benji> gary_poster: sorry for the slow response, I'm eating lunch and need to get back to it, but the quickest fix I can see is to wrap the fetch in a try/except that passes on a subprocess.CalledProcessError
[17:37] <gary_poster> ack thanks benji
[17:37] <sinzui> really
[17:38] <sinzui> We will accept a timeout? Wont that slow the charm deploy by minutes?
[17:38] <gary_poster> sinzui, yeah, we don't need it for stable releases.  The proper fix is to not do it at all.
[17:39] <rick_h> bcsaller: is the statusbar yours? If I move it to the list of 3rd party files to load in merge-files it works.
[17:39] <rick_h> bcsaller: curious how you got it to land. :)
[17:39] <sinzui> gary_poster, okay. I can wrap the call and put it up for review to unblock webops
[17:39] <bcsaller> 207318
[17:39] <bcsaller> 645310
[17:39] <rick_h> focus daniel-son :)
[17:39] <bcsaller> woah
[17:41] <gary_poster> lol
[17:41] <bcsaller> rick_h: it worked fine here
[17:41] <bcsaller> but I'll add it to that list
[17:41] <rick_h> bcsaller: I'm trying to submit a quick branch. I'll include it here
[17:41] <bcsaller> and submit a trivial
[17:42] <bcsaller> ahh, thanks
[17:42] <rick_h> bcsaller: I just wanted to sanity check I'm not missing something.
[17:42] <rick_h> bcsaller: since it must have gone through to land, but I can't get it to combine at all after multiple clean/clean-all's
[17:42] <bcsaller> I suspect I had the test server running already when lbox check ran and it used the built files? I've seen that work around this issue in the past
[17:42] <hatch> few things are as irritating as a Y.View not firing a render event.....
[17:42] <hatch> cc rick_h ^
[17:42] <hatch> ehh?? :)
[17:43] <rick_h> hatch: :/ ?
[17:43] <hatch> the fact that a Y.View doesn't fire a render event....is very irritating
[17:43] <rick_h> meh, I've not had that big a problem with it that I can recall.
[17:43] <hatch> lies
[17:43] <rick_h> now the AC widget...
[17:43]  * hatch walks away
[17:43] <rick_h> :P
[17:43] <hatch> haha
[17:44] <abentley> hazmat: Part of ingest permits the branch name to be either 'trunk' or 'trunk-1
[17:44] <abentley> hazmat: What's the rationale for that?  Doesn't it make the charm store address ambiguous?
[17:45] <rick_h> hatch: don't walk away, you're supposed to be reviewing my branch :P https://codereview.appspot.com/11126043/
[17:45] <hatch> ohhh am I now
[17:45] <hatch> 4000ln difs are too big :P
[17:46] <rick_h> oh bah, conflicts
[17:46] <rick_h> was like "wtf...4000 lines?!"
[17:46] <rick_h> oh, and you've learned by now to ignore test/data/autocomplete.json :P
[17:46] <hatch> haa yup
[17:47] <rick_h> bcsaller: https://codereview.appspot.com/10839044 has the change if you don't mind peeking at the other 4 lines while you're in there :)
[17:48] <rick_h> sinzui: jcsackett can I get a second on ^^ as well please?
[17:50]  * sinzui looks
[17:55] <teknico> I get three errors in trunk when running "make test-prod": http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5865679/
[17:55] <rick_h> teknico: see the discussion with bcsaller ^^, branch is incoming
[17:55] <teknico> rick_h: great, thanks
[17:55] <rick_h> teknico: just as fast as lbox can run its little heart out
[17:56] <hazmat> abentley, ignore it.. it was for a branch a legacy issue from the charm distro on lp i found on a single charm when doing the initial impl
[17:56] <hazmat> abentley, s/ignore/yank
[17:57] <abentley> hazmat: Excellent.  So from here on out, only "trunk" branches are considered.
[17:57] <hazmat> i think there was maybe two charms that exhibited that problem and they were from natty
[17:57] <abentley> hazmat: I'm hitting it with ~zulcss/charms/oneiric/nagios/trunk and ~zulcss/charms/oneiric/nagios/trunk-1
[18:00] <rick_h> grrr, branch switching confusing lbox fml
[18:01] <teknico> rick_h: how about another look? https://codereview.appspot.com/10888048/
[18:01] <rick_h> teknico: loaded up right now
[18:03] <rick_h> teknico: LGTM thanks for the test changes/fixes.
[18:03] <teknico> rick_h: thank *you*! :-)
[18:06] <rick_h> teknico: the fix for the test failures is landing
[18:06] <rick_h> teknico: so pulling from trunk should be good for that now
[18:07] <teknico> rick_h: great. it's a bit late now, so if someone else will give the gift of a review, I'll merge trunk and land this later
[18:07] <rick_h> teknico: rgr, have a good night
[18:07] <hatch> rick_h: just fyi I am reviewing your branch right now, it's just taking a bit
[18:07] <teknico> rick_h: thanks
[18:07] <benji> gary_poster: I'm back from lunch.  Is there anything I can do to help on the NPM cache issue?
[18:08] <rick_h> hatch: thanks, yea, it's a pita branch. I'm pushing a fix for the template conflict currently now that the test fix is in trunk
[18:08] <gary_poster> benji, yes, gimme one sec
[18:08] <benji> k
[18:10] <gary_poster> benji, ok here.  maybe guichat?
[18:10] <benji> gary_poster: k
[18:10] <hatch> rick_h: is this branch supposed to be QAable?
[18:11] <rick_h> hatch: yes
[18:11] <rick_h> hatch: once the confilict is resolved. The template won't compile until then
[18:11] <rick_h> hatch: pushed update should be there now.
[18:12] <hatch> hmm ok - well the error I get is actually a 406 http error
[18:12] <rick_h> hatch: OH! right, no. You have to change the api enpoint to staging. in the config to QA
[18:12] <rick_h> sorry, my mistake on the instructions.
[18:12] <rick_h> hatch: it's waiting on a release to production on the back end currently.
[18:13] <hatch> hmm
[18:13] <hatch> when is that going to be released?
[18:13] <rick_h> http://staging.jujucharms.com/ to be exact
[18:13] <rick_h> hatch: any time. sinzui was looking at getting into the queue to get a release today. Not sure if it'll happen today/tomorrow.
[18:13] <rick_h> hatch: so obviously I won't land it until the back end supports it
[18:13] <hatch> ok I'm asking because it causes other errors to cascade which we obviously can't have in trunk
[18:14] <rick_h> hatch: rgr
[18:14] <hatch> will check your new code
[18:14] <hatch> rick_h: although this could be good
[18:14] <hatch> the code should be able to handle this failure without throwing a console error
[18:15] <sinzui> rick_h, hatch. We are in the queue. there is an incident in front of us.
[18:15] <sinzui> I think we will have webops attention again in 2 hours
[18:16] <hatch> sinzui: that's fine - I'm just saying that the GUI code shouldn't break if the api endpoint goes down so the AC failure code should be able to handle that inevitability cc) rick_h
[18:16] <hatch> so this was a blessing in disquise :)
[18:17] <hatch> we caught the issue ahead of time
[18:20] <rick_h> hatch: gotcha
[18:21] <rick_h> hatch: though if the store goes down it's far from a silent failure as you'll not get this far to get an AC widget, but ok :)
[18:21] <hatch> haha well maybe it will go down after they got this far ;)
[18:26] <hazmat> http://www.zdnet.com/verizon-backs-ubuntu-smartphone-7000017954/
[18:28] <hatch> bac: do you have a 'positioned' vertical scroll bar?
[18:28] <hatch> er
[18:28] <hatch> slider
[18:28] <hatch> I am trying to figure out how far left to position the inspector
[18:28] <hatch> the values in the mockup and from Luca were wrong heh
[18:29] <bac> hatch: i do...but i'm not sure where exactly it is going to go
[18:29] <hatch> hazmat: that's awesome news!!
[18:29] <bac> hatch: won't know until i get the new assets in place
[18:29] <hatch> ok I'll just place it whereever then, it's a single line fix in a follow-up then  I guess
[18:29] <hatch> thx
[18:29] <bac> no verizon on the island. :(
[18:30] <hatch> no verizon in Canada either
[18:30] <hatch> buuuut
[18:30] <hatch> as soon as there is a north american GSM band phone then we r golden
[18:32] <bac> gary_poster: hurrah, i found the issue.  it was coming from bootstrap and was not on the element i'd been looking at.  img max-width:100%
[18:32] <gary_poster> yay bac!!!
[18:32] <hatch> we are so close to removing bootstrap :)
[18:33] <hatch> doesn't Verizon have a horrible track record of loading a TON of bloatware on their phones?
[18:33] <bac> yes, vzn is notorious for that i hear
[18:33] <hatch> I'm kind of curious how the ubuntu smart phone will manage carrier garbage and lock ins while keeping an open platform
[18:34] <bac> hatch: you should join the CAG
[18:35] <hatch> I'll bring with it my nation(see house) wide cellular network(see wifi)
[18:37] <bac> gary_poster: look at little old caktus listed with the big boys: http://us.pycon.org/2014/
[18:37] <gary_poster> bac cool :-)
[18:37] <bac> apparently they did the site
[18:37] <bac> per calloway
[18:38] <hatch> past employer?
[18:38] <bac> no, a local little consulting shop that sponsors python user group stuff
[18:38] <bac> by local, i mean NC
[18:39] <hatch> ahh
[18:39] <hatch> Montreal....that's near me
[18:40] <hatch> only a 3h flight....lol
[18:42] <hatch> actually there is a js conf in Vancouver in November
[18:45] <jcastro> hey gary_poster
[18:45] <jcastro> search is busted on uistage
[18:45] <jcastro> the new one, 8086
[18:46] <hatch> the manage.jujucharms.com is 503'ing
[18:46] <gary_poster> jcastro, thanks much.  sinzui, ^^^ deployment?
[18:48] <hatch> gary_poster: can you head to 8086 and quickly drag the bottom of the window up to see if there is a scrollbar ?
[18:48] <hatch> it's like the resize event doesn't always fire
[18:48] <hatch> and I am just wondering if it's just me
[18:49] <gary_poster> hatch confirmed it sometimes happens
[18:49] <hatch> alright thanks, looking for the cause
[18:50] <sinzui> gary_poster, They are waiting on a revised charm. I am putting that together now.
[18:50] <gary_poster> sinzui, ah ok, no I meant the fact that search is broken on 8086
[18:51] <gary_poster> sinzui, jcastro wfm now.  jcastro works for you?
[18:51] <hatch> jcastro: wow osx port of juju? well done
[18:51] <gary_poster> sinzui, bug and possible "proper" fix here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1200337
[18:51] <_mup_> Bug #1200337: gui charm should only get npm cache when building <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200337>
[18:51] <gary_poster> sinzui, have not tested
[18:51] <jcastro> Charm API server did not respond
[18:51] <jcastro> is what I get
[18:52] <sinzui> rick_h, your autocomplete changes are in production as of this minutes, but I think squid has cached some of the old representations
[18:52] <jcastro> oh dude, hard refresh fixes that, got it
[18:52] <gary_poster> ok cool thanks jcastro
[18:54] <sinzui> gary_poster, rick_h, what is the state of the autocomplete branch. The changes just went into production. I was not expecting regressions, only new features for autocomplete
[18:57] <sinzui> gary_poster, I expected your charm changes to be based on the stable charm: https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk
[18:57] <gary_poster> sinzui, sorry, no, but you probably can apply the revision
[18:57] <sinzui> oh, fab, yes I can thanks gary
[19:09]  * Makyo -> lunch
[19:12] <hatch> my fan sounds like an old 486 when it changes directions
[19:12] <hatch> maybe it is.....
[19:17] <jcsackett> jujugui: can i get two reviews of https://codereview.appspot.com/10944045/, please?
[19:29] <jcastro> hey guys how long does it take for the gui to show a change in the store?
[19:29] <jcastro> I just added a bunch of categories
[19:31] <rick_h> jcastro: 15min ish
[19:32] <rick_h> sinzui: AC is in progress. Needs another review and some updates from me. I figure to get it landed in the morning hopefully
[19:32] <sinzui> okay
[19:33] <jcastro> rick_h: thanks
[19:33] <sinzui>  I can participate when I webops doesn't need me
[19:33] <rick_h> sinzui: https://codereview.appspot.com/11126043/ is the in progress review
[19:33] <jcastro> ok so now that I am using the search for all these fixes
[19:33] <rick_h> sinzui: ok
[19:33] <jcastro> I am totally confused on how to navigate
[19:33] <rick_h> jcastro: ?
[19:33] <jcastro> ok so I click on the juju button
[19:33] <jcastro> then I browse by category
[19:33] <jcastro> say apps
[19:34] <rick_h> jcastro: so once you start searching you're done for.
[19:34] <rick_h> jcastro: there's work in progress to add some breadcrumbs/better nav
[19:34] <jcastro> yeah I need a way to go back
[19:34] <jcastro> oh ok
[19:34] <rick_h> jcastro: but yea, known issue
[19:34]  * jcastro nods
[19:34] <jcastro> also
[19:34] <jcastro> I does anyone know what we put in "file-servers"?
[19:35] <rick_h> jcastro: ceph? samba? I'm not sure tbh
[19:35] <rick_h> jcastro: feel free to use the back button to help nav. It should work to get you where you were
[19:35] <jcastro> yeah
[19:39] <rick_h> time to mow the lawn...yay me
[19:39] <sinzui> rick_h, looking
[19:40] <rick_h> sinzui: cool, thanks. I'll have the updates requested first thing in the morning and will get hatch to ok before he gets sidetracked :)
[19:40] <hatch> too late, I've already been sidetracked for tomorrow
[19:51] <hatch> the moment when you realize fixing tests is taking longer than the code you wrote
[19:57] <bcsaller> hatch: only when I TDD can I avoid that but my TDD skills are not always up to the task
[20:00] <jcsackett> bcsaller: thanks for the review. jujugui, can i get one more review on https://codereview.appspot.com/10944045/
[20:00] <benji> jcsackett: I'll do one.
[20:00] <jcsackett> benji: thanks!
[20:02] <benji> jcsackett: LGTM
[20:03] <jcsackett> thanks, benji.
[20:20] <bac> jujugui: i need reviews on https://codereview.appspot.com/11182044 please
[20:21] <benji> bac: I'll take one
[20:21] <bac> thx
[20:24] <jcastro> hey sinzui
[20:24] <jcastro> can we make `juju deploy ubuntu` do the right thing? It's an old bug where the store can't handle "ubuntu"
[20:27] <hatch> heh too much awesome in "ubuntu" ?
[20:27] <bcsaller> still need one review on https://codereview.appspot.com/11181043
[20:30] <bac> thanks bcsaller and benji
[20:30] <benji> my pleasure
[20:31] <bac> benji: that other guy sure messes up your nick tab completion
[20:31] <benji> heh
[20:35] <sinzui> jcastro, I don't hack on juju. How is that broken? I assume it deploys a charm named ubuntu (that presumably is a vanilla install)
[20:36] <jcastro> yeah it's just a blank server
[20:43] <hatch> jujugui looking for two reviews https://codereview.appspot.com/11186043/
[20:43] <bcsaller> hatch: I can take one
[20:43] <hatch> thanks
[20:46] <jcsackett> hatch: i can take the other.
[20:46] <hatch> awesomer
[20:51] <gary_poster> hatch I qa'd fwiw.  nice
[20:51] <sinzui> jcastro, I think I found your bug about deploying ubuntu. It certainly is in the store: https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs:precise/ubuntu&stats=0
[20:51] <hatch> great thx
[20:53] <jcsackett> inspector is looking pretty cool.
[20:55] <hatch> yeah it's coming together nicely
[20:58] <gary_poster> hatch, bcsaller, interesting bug to explore next week: 1000-unit service in sandbox with simulator on is unresponsive every 1 second (delta push?).  Made a card.  inspector-specific
[20:59] <hatch> unpossible!
[20:59] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:59] <bcsaller> gary_poster: yes, I've seen that too, the timeline profile does indicate its tied to the delta
[20:59] <gary_poster> something fun to debug, hopefully nothing paradigm shifting
[21:00] <gary_poster> huwshimi, whoa man, you are starting earlier and earlier :-)
[21:00] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Morning :)
[21:00] <hatch> maybe he is moving west
[21:00] <hatch> :)
[21:01] <gary_poster> Makyo was working on getting your branch landed again, working with fixes from rick_h IIRC
[21:01] <Makyo> Juuust pushed.
[21:01] <arosales> gary_poster, I see the apache2 icon is showing the category instead of the icon.svg
[21:02] <Makyo> lp:~makyo/juju-gui/visual-update-4
[21:02] <jcastro> sinzui: I wonder if the new add-machine command means we don't need it anymore
[21:03] <gary_poster> arosales, AIUI there is a problem with that svg.  I emailed you and jcastro about it.  The category icon is actually a new improvement thanks to sinzui: it was simply not rendering any image
[21:03] <hatch> gary_poster: bcsaller the 'overview' viewlet is being touched 1000 times every second
[21:03] <hatch> this might be related to the d3 thingy
[21:04] <gary_poster> Makyo, awesome thanks.  huwshimi do you want to take it from here, or what?
[21:04] <gary_poster> I'd like to get it landed asap one way or another, and it sounded like it needed some important fixes
[21:04] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Can do, let me take a look
[21:05] <gary_poster> thanks huwshimi.  ping us when you want us to review or approve or whatever is appropriate
[21:05] <hatch> updated the card
[21:05] <sinzui> jcastro, my local deploy is of ubuntu is fine. (juju deploy ubuntu)
[21:05] <gary_poster> benji, hatch, what do we need to do to get the destroy branch landed?
[21:06] <Makyo> huwshimi, gary_poster I adjusted some things based on comments, but I'm not sure where the original stuff came from; take those or leave those as you need.
[21:06] <benji> gary_poster: I need the linter to stop abusing me
[21:06] <Makyo> s/stuff/design
[21:06] <Makyo> I guess I can use my big programmer words.
[21:06] <gary_poster> lol
[21:06] <benji> it will land in just a few seconds
[21:06] <gary_poster> benji, awesome thanks
[21:06] <hatch> benji: ping me when it's up and I'll do another QA
[21:07] <arosales> gary_poster, was that email sent today. I am not finding it. But  I will take a look
[21:07] <gary_poster> arosales, no, not today, looking
[21:10] <sinzui> arosales, The category issue that cause a non-existent icon to appears is in user data...outside of our control. We fixed that by filtering out categories we don't know about. As of two hours ago, icon.svg files that don't convince magic that they are genuine svgs are ignored
[21:11] <sinzui> ^ this last change address that fact that apache2's charm has a png claiming to be an svg
[21:12] <hatch> benji: I think you applied the pointer:cursor to the wrong element other than that LGTM
[21:15] <huwshimi> gary_poster: What's your opinion on how to know which changes to make? Do I go by the designs or on the feedback in the review?
[21:16] <arosales> sinzui, hmm the apache2 icon ~should~ have been valid, but I'll re-upload the one design sent
[21:16] <huwshimi> gary_poster: (And that's not me trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to figure out which changes to make...)
[21:16] <gary_poster> huwshimi, :-)
[21:17] <benji> hatch: indeed, thanks
[21:17] <sinzui> arosales, does "file icon.svg" say it is an svg?
[21:17] <sinzui> it says it is a png for me
[21:17] <gary_poster> huwshimi, want to have an early call in guichat?
[21:17]  * Makyo walks dogs quick (or not so quick - so hot, gonna have to hose them off first).
[21:18] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Sure
[21:20] <sinzui> arosales, while nautilus wont show me the icon for apache's icon.svg, it will if I rename it to icon.png
[21:20] <arosales> sinzui, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5866259/
[21:21] <sinzui> yeah I just did the same. We agree
[21:21] <sinzui> arosales, I think I have the charm template. I can try making a replacement as I queue for you division
[21:22]  * sinzui has great hope that gui will be deployed in the next 20 minutes
[21:23] <arosales> sinzui, I am little confused as to why the browser isn't currently parsing the current icon.svg
[21:24] <arosales> sinzui, but really what ever we need to do go get to to render correctly I am a +1
[21:25] <sinzui> arosales, the browser did parse it. I saw it lied and decided not to get involved with a possible malicious vulnerability
[21:25] <sinzui> It saw the icon is a lie
[21:25] <sinzui> arosales, pngs don't scale well either
[21:26] <arosales> sinzui, do you need me to commit a version  I got from design which should be the same thing.
[21:27] <sinzui> arosales, if you have a genuine svg, then go ahead and commit it. If not, I can make something. I just found the official apache logo svg that I can use with the templte
[21:27] <sinzui> gary_poster, you might need to sit down for this...
[21:27] <gary_poster> sinzui, uh oh
[21:27] <sinzui> gary_poster, juju-gui is deployed and the right version...
[21:27] <gary_poster> sinzui, YAY!
[21:27] <gary_poster> sinzui, thanks, and thanks to IS!
[21:27] <sinzui> No one, not even webops can see the site at the ip it is deployed too
[21:28] <gary_poster> lol
[21:28] <gary_poster> ok
[21:28] <sinzui> thedac will try to ssh tunnel into to see the site render with the proper UI
[21:28] <sinzui> I need to file an rt to get the IPs public
[21:28] <arosales> sinzui, I'll confirm the one design sent is a _real_ svg
[21:28] <arosales> if not I'll get that one and re commit
[21:30] <hatch> bcsaller: mind finishing up that review? :)
[21:30] <bcsaller> hatch: sorry, got sidetracked with the perf issue
[21:30] <bcsaller> back on it
[21:30] <hatch> hey that's for next week :P
[21:30] <hatch> was it the d3 thingy?
[21:32] <hatch> no matter how much I try to prepare I'm always way behind on house stuff for a sprint
[21:36] <bcsaller> hatch: no, not d3 :-p   It looks like sandbox calls sendDelta for each new unit in the loop which calls update for units which renders the template 1000 times for 1000 units
[21:37] <hatch> ohh lol
[21:37] <hatch> glad it wasn't the d3 thing, that thing is cool
[21:41] <arosales> sinzui, uploaded an svg for apache. We'll see if that helps.
[21:41] <arosales> gary_poster, sinzui thanks for the explanation there
[21:41] <gary_poster> thanks arosales
[21:42] <arosales> gary_poster, icons and categories are looking better. But if design can get us some more we will add those.
[21:42] <arosales> I'll do another check post what design is able to give us in terms of icons.
[21:44] <benji> gary_poster: branch landed (finally)
[21:44] <gary_poster> benji, yay thanks! :-)
[21:44] <sinzui> gary_poster, thedac confirmed that the gui is operational in production. I am now creating an rt to ask that the IPs be public
[21:45] <gary_poster> sinzui, even better, thank you :-)
[21:50] <hatch> hmm I can't submit this branch
[21:50] <hatch> it says it's out of date but there are no changes when I pull
[21:50] <hatch> and it says it's up to date when I use bzr update
[21:52] <hatch> yeah it's definitely out of date
[21:55] <hatch> cleared it out and trying again
[21:55] <gary_poster> hatch could you give me the link of your most recent header prototype again pls?
[21:55] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/utitov/3/edit
[21:55] <gary_poster> ty
[21:55] <hatch> I haven't done any work on it since this morning
[21:56] <gary_poster> ack
[22:07] <hatch> just playing around with trunk
[22:07] <hatch> the inspector is comign along really nice
[22:08] <hatch> keehee
[22:08] <hatch> I can switch between inspectors all day long watching that status bar move around :)
[22:08] <hatch> simple things....simple minds I guess :)
[22:09] <rick_h> gary_poster: reply inbound. Taking the boy to dinner, but please let me know if that doesn't clear up the discussion.
[22:09] <gary_poster> cool, thanks rick_h !
[22:11] <hatch> gary_poster: next task on my list? I was thinking of working on the header of the inspector
[22:11] <gary_poster> hatch, sounds good.  that will move the scroll down to the bottom div?
[22:11] <gary_poster> a bottom section I mean, sorry
[22:12] <hatch> yeah so we would have Status and Settings, as well as the header with the icon and title visible at all times
[22:12] <hatch> to match v7 design
[22:12] <gary_poster> cool
[22:14] <hatch> bac: really cool technique on the slider but why didn't you set the slider orientation to vertical instead?
[22:14] <gary_poster> jujugui if anyone wants to come to the call with huw that would normally be in 16 minutes, please come now! :-)
[22:31] <Makyo> New bug, hopefully small fix: #1200412
[22:31] <_mup_> Bug #1200412: drag-and-drop: dropping a service on a non-drop target leaves the token appended to the body <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200412>
[22:46] <huwshimi> rick_h: Sorry for the confusion about the home/back link. Any pointers on what I need to set to get back to the initial screen for the sidebar. Fire viewNavigate something...
[22:49] <hatch> gary_poster: did you let slip that we are doing another Friday EOD release? :P
[22:50] <hatch> bcsaller: so are you thinking of creating a throttling method for update?
[22:50] <hatch> so it only allows the ux to update once per second?
[22:50] <hatch> UI
[22:51] <bcsaller> hatch: there are a few related fixes, that one and making sure the bindings list we generate is unique
[22:52] <hatch> ahh great great
[23:07] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Do I need another lgtm or is the one from rick_h and changes from Makyo enough?
[23:07] <Makyo> LGTM :)
[23:09] <huwshimi> Makyo: Thanks :)
[23:19] <hatch> Makyo:  huwshimi here ya go http://i.qkme.me/3v5d87.jpg
[23:20] <Makyo> Pff hahaha
[23:20] <Makyo> Meanwhile: http://blog.anguscroll.com/if-kerouac-wrote-javascript
[23:20] <hatch> lol
[23:26] <huwshimi> haha
[23:26] <huwshimi> hatch: Can I just use that for all my reviews from now on then?
[23:27] <hatch> lol
[23:27] <hatch> maybe
[23:46] <rick_h> huwshimi: yea, to get back we'll need to fire viewNavigate with a valid change object. We can bind that link in the events object for the view it's rendered in
[23:51] <rick_h> huwshimi: did the viewmode controls changes make sense?
[23:52] <huwshimi> rick_h: Yeah that was great, thanks.
[23:53] <rick_h> huwshimi: ok, going to put the little guy to bed/bath. I'll check in if yuo need anything else.
[23:56] <huwshimi> rick_h: Thanks, I'll see how I go.


[02:08] <twb> I haven't edited an upstart job in a long time
[02:09] <twb> I have one that says:
[02:09] <twb> exec su supybot -s /bin/sh -c 'exec supybot --allow-default-owner /var/lib/supybot/supybot.conf'
[02:09] <twb> If I want to run savelog /var/log/irc/messages.log first, can I put a second "exec" line in there?
[02:10] <twb> Or... IIRC I do something like 'exec start \n <shell script> \n exec stop"
[02:10] <AnrDaemon> twb: You can remove that abomination of exec first.
[02:10] <twb> Aha "pre-start exec"
[02:10] <AnrDaemon> And use setuid to change EUID of the job.
[02:11] <twb> Note that this is an ancient host running upstart 0.6.5 and I'm not allowed to upgrade
[02:11] <AnrDaemon> *sigh*
[02:13] <twb> I don't see "setuid" mentioned in init(5) so I'm just gonna slap a "pre-start exec savelog" in there, and run away
[02:23] <twb> OK, it's working good enough for government work
[02:23] <twb> Thanks for your help & sorry to grief you with an ancient version :-(
[02:38] <AnrDaemon> Hate those systems. >.<


[22:42] <arraybolt3> This is probably the wrong room, but the Ubuntu mailing lists just got absolutely flooded with spam. My mail thingy is dinging like a phone ringing off the hook.
[22:42] <arraybolt3> Figured someone who knew what to do might be in here.
[22:43] <arraybolt3> Also, what room is the right room for this in the future?
[22:49] <hggdh> it will depend on *which* mailing list was hit...
[22:51] <hggdh> and just checked my email -- had not done it until now -- and I do not see a lot of spam
[22:56] <hggdh> but, usually, we contact the ML admins
[23:05] <sarnold> *maybe* #canonical-sysadmin, but after the switch from irc -> mattermost internally, that channel gets way fewer eyes on it than it did before. I wouldn't be shocked if the flood of spam you found now is from someone accidentally screwing up a mailman moderation interface
[23:07] <arraybolt3> Hmm, you might be right about someone fumbling with an automated system, it looks like they accidentally pasted some code of some kind into the wrong box and hit Send All or something. I'll look at that channel. Thanks!


[23:49] <lanteau> I use a 16GB SDHC in my laptop to expand storage, whenever I resume from suspend Ubuntu automatically opens the removable device in nautilius, how do I stop this?
[23:50] <Newbee> lstarnes: ok, thanks
[23:50] <raylu> marqueed: wait, if you want a different python to be used for one script, why not just not use env?
[23:50] <marqueed> raylu: i was trying, how?
[23:50] <sebsebseb>
[23:51] <marqueed> /usr/bin/env python=python2.5 SCRIPT doesn't work
[23:51] <marqueed> nor does /usr/bin/env python=/usr/bin/python2.5 SCRIPT
[23:51] <raylu> marqueed: replace the shebang with /usr/bin/python2.5
[23:51] <marqueed> i could, but in general i'd like to know how to do this without modifying provided code
[23:52] <raylu> marqueed: do you have two versions of python intsalled or something?
[23:52] <marqueed> 2.5 and 2.6
[23:53] <Hostile> I use a 16GB SDHC in my laptop to expand storage, whenever I resume from suspend Ubuntu automatically opens the removable device in nautilius, how do I stop this?
[23:53] <marqueed> Focus the nautilus window and press C-w
[23:53] <marqueed> hehaho
[23:54] <evantandersen> marqueed Hostile meant how do you make it so that it doesn't show up at all
[23:54] <StevenX> Hello all. How do I check what version of a program is in the repositories. For example, if I want to check what version I would install if I use the command "sudo apt-get install vlc".
[23:55] <Hostile> yeah, I dont want it popping up that window everytime I resume
[23:55] <Raeve> StevenX, try apt-cache show vlc
[23:56] <StevenX> Raeve, that worked. thanks.
[23:58] <sourcemaker> I have a problem with AqBanking... there is one account missing receiving the account list


[01:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:44] <ducasse> good morning
[08:50] <marcoagpinto> heya
[08:54] <akem> heya.
[08:54] <akem> Here's a mug of boiling cola for you marcoagpinto |_P no need to thank me ;)
[08:55] <akem> More sparling than ever :P
[08:55] <akem> sparkling*
[08:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:48] <ash_worksi> so I am rereading my logs on window managers, etc, from this channel and I think I forgot to clear some things up...
[19:50] <ash_worksi> i3, sway, dwm and gnome-shell are *all* window managers (gnome-shell _also_ being a compositor), right?
[20:12] <Maik> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Shell
[20:18] <ash_worksi> Maik: I'm not sure what part of this article validates/invalidates my assertion
[20:19] <ash_worksi> Just from my logs alone, I know that gnome-shell is the window manager and compositor
[20:20] <ash_worksi> for Gnome DE
[20:21] <ash_worksi> I mean, I am pretty sure that's correct given the wiki articles on each; I was hoping for an affirmation
[20:22] <daftykins> https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC
[20:22] <Maik> i don't know, maybe you could ask the Gnome guys ^
[20:22] <Maik> thanks daftykins
[20:22] <daftykins> :D
[20:22]  * ash_worksi is not sure why we keep referencing gnome exclusively but ::shurg::
[20:23] <ash_worksi> anyway, moving on, is it possible to swap the DE on ubuntu?
[20:23] <daftykins> well this may come as a shock, but when asking about gnome - gnome folks might know a thing or two
[20:23] <ash_worksi> and if so, is it no longer "ubuntu"?
[20:23] <ash_worksi> daftykins: I wasn't though, I was asking about window managers
[20:24] <Maik> ash_worksi: search the web for adding another desktop and how to switch to it, there's enough info about that to be found and switching or swapping the DE doesn't mean it's not Ubuntu anymore... Ubuntu is and stays the base
[20:25] <daftykins> we told you were to get a specific answer for part of your enquiry, apply the same logic and you can track down the others, too
[20:25] <daftykins> *where
[20:25] <ash_worksi> I did, and again, just an iiuic questino
[20:25] <ash_worksi> quiestion*
[20:25] <ash_worksi> question*
[20:26] <ash_worksi> I see; so "yes", thank you Maik
[20:26] <ash_worksi> well, "Yes", and then "no" :)
[21:20] <Metamorphosis> https://distrocrunch.com/linux-market-share-2021/


[00:02] <hakermania> jtaylor, no it doesn't
[00:02] <hakermania> jtaylor, i've tested many times, what it does is updater-mime-database
[00:02] <hakermania> But anyway, I made it work
[00:12] <jtaylor> hakermania: that is enough, update-desktop-database is called by a trigger from desktop-file-utils
[00:12] <jtaylor> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/desktop-file-utils/current/changelog
[00:12] <jtaylor> 0.15-2
[00:17] <hakermania> jtaylor, I don't know why but it doesn't seem to recognize i am installing a mime type in my case and so it doesn't call it? Anyway the .wallch files have their icon but don't run with wallch, means that aren't associated with the desktop file, means that update-desktop-database was not called
[00:18] <hakermania> anyway, it's 3.20 in the morning here, lol, good night
[05:18] <micahg> is   ret = (Description *) bsearch (&d, descriptions, n_elems, sizeof (Description), compare_methods); considered an implicit conversion?
[05:19] <broder> that seems fairly explicit
[05:19] <micahg> that's what I thought :)
[05:19] <broder> uh, though i bet &d is an implicit conversion to void *
[05:19] <broder> err, const void *
[05:19] <broder> and same for descriptions
[05:19] <micahg> nah, found it: connection.c:542:9: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size [-Wint-to-pointer-cast]
[05:20] <micahg> Function `bsearch' implicitly converted to pointer at connection.c:542
[05:20] <broder> huh
[05:20] <micahg> umm, that's not it :(
[05:21] <broder> you're getting both of those?
[05:21] <micahg> the function returns a void
[05:22] <broder> right, i have the manpage up
[05:22] <micahg> yeah, both are in th echangelog : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/77704072/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.gnome-system-tools_2.32.0-0ubuntu7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:23] <broder> i think it's trying to convert the bsearch symbol to a pointer, which makes me suspect that the parsing went off somewhere earlier
[05:30] <micahg> the functions isn't that big, and AFAICT all looks normal...
[08:40]  * micahg totally doesn't understand this implicit conversion thing
[09:51] <Bachstelze> connection.c:542:3: warning: nested extern declaration of 'bsearch' [-Wnested-externs]
[09:51] <Bachstelze> definitely a typo somewhere
[09:56] <Bachstelze> or actually..
[09:56] <Bachstelze> bsearch is in stdlib.h, the file doesn't include it
[10:02]  * micahg wonders if it's that simple
[10:09] <micahg> Bachstelze: that seemed to solve it locally, although, it's still complaining about one of the arguments to bsearch, but I"ll look that up later, thanks
[12:45] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: should I create ubuntu deltas for the as-needed bugs which weren't fixed in debian yet now?
[12:46] <jtaylor> as we are getting closer to the next freeze
[12:46] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: go for it
[13:46] <jtaylor> urg the awn packages are awful ...
[13:46] <jtaylor> include python code but don't use helpers
[14:37] <cjwatson> micahg: yes, missing #include would mean that the implicit prototype mechanism (which is basically for ancient pre-C89 code) makes up 'int bsearch(void);' for you
[14:37] <cjwatson> generally not what you want ...
[14:38] <cjwatson> there's a fair bit of old code that sort of gets away with it as long as the function doesn't take varargs and as long as it either returns int or has its return value ignored
[15:19] <joru> Howdy, i'm trying out some bitesize bugs. My question is where an applications category is defined so that it is properly displayed in correct category in UBC?
[15:21] <joru> is it the .desktop file?
[15:25] <tumbleweed> UBC?
[15:43] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I lost the link about the public server and the copyright, may I have it again please?
[15:45] <joru> tumbleweed: oh a typo, ubuntu software center
[15:45] <joru> tumbleweed: i've found an <app>.desktop file in the app i'm looking at that holds the "Categories" metadata
[15:46] <tumbleweed> hakermania: sorry, don't know what link you are looking for. If the source for your media said it was public domain, just say that in debian/copyright
[15:46] <tumbleweed> joru: correct, I'm pretty sure that's where the categories for USC come from
[15:47] <joru> tumbleweed: yes i am sure now, i've got it confirmed
[15:47] <joru> tumbleweed: nice to learning-by-doing
[16:52] <hakermania> Should I have the Files: * and then Files: Pictures/foo.jpg inside debian/copyright or vice versa?
[16:54] <tumbleweed> hakermania: "Multiple Files paragraphs are allowed. The last paragraph that matches a particular file applies to it."
[17:14] <hakermania> tumbleweed, if I provide the source will dropbox compile it for me for both 32 and 64 bit? Will it produce both 64 and 32 bit debs?
[17:14] <hakermania> dropbox=launchpad soory
[17:14] <hakermania> Using ppa I mean
[17:15] <tumbleweed> hakermania: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[17:25] <hakermania> tumbleweed, thanks
[17:42] <hakermania> tumbleweed, i made it work with the --parallel and I can see that dh@ runs with this options while debuilding, but what's the difference, really?
[17:44] <tumbleweed> hakermania: debhelper's manpage will explain the details. Your build system supports building mutiple files in parallel, which can make the build a lot faster on a multi-core machine
[17:45] <sum1nil> hello all, I am trying to set up a chroot environment described on te page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[17:46] <sum1nil> but at dpkg-reconfigure passwd I get locale errors - perl
[17:46] <tumbleweed> sum1nil: those aren't errors, you can ignore them. It just means that you are trying to use a locale you haven't got installed. Install a langpack in the chroot
[17:47] <sum1nil> ok will try thanks
[17:54] <sum1nil> thank you tumbleweed that worked fine
[18:01] <hakermania> Does lp builds only with the latest ones? I mean can't it build my source for GNOME 2 (that compiles OK in natty). I get the same error messages I got when I tried to compile the GNOME 2 source in GNOME 3. Is there any options somewhere I can specify to it?
[18:05] <tumbleweed> hakermania: your build was on oneiric, so the current versions of everything in oneiric. You can restrict versions in Build-Depends, but if what you request isn't available in the target release it'll fail to build
[18:06] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I see, there's no problem in adding ~GNOME3ppa eh?
[18:06] <hakermania> so as to show which version it is
[18:09] <tumbleweed> hakermania: if you are testing something you eventually want to build in normal ubuntu archives, youc an't be depending on another ppa
[19:03] <hakermania> tumbleweed, OK, so, all of my ppas will have the ~ppaX tag
[19:05] <tumbleweed> hakermania: it's just to allow you to upload multiple versions (and to ensure the official version has a higher number)
[20:28] <micahg> cjwatson: thanks
[20:32] <Phoenix87> hallo
[20:33] <Phoenix87> how can i submit a new application for ubuntu for approval?
[20:34] <micahg> Phoenix87: application for what?
[20:35] <Phoenix87> a gnome front-end for gnuplot
[20:36] <Phoenix87> it's in launchpad at the moment
[20:36] <micahg> Phoenix87: it's a little late this cycle, if you get it into Debian now, it'll get into Ubuntu for P
[20:36] <micahg> then you can backport it to oneiric
[20:37] <Phoenix87> well i don't mind missing a cycle, i was just wondering about the possibility of having my app figuring in the main repositories ^^
[20:37] <micahg> Phoenix87: if you get it into Debian it will automatically come in at the beginning of next cycle
[20:38] <Phoenix87> how can i get it into Debian?
[20:39] <micahg> Phoenix87: http://expo.debian.net/
[20:40] <Phoenix87> micahg, thank you!
[20:41] <micahg> Phoenix87: you're welcome, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu
[20:51] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: I don't see a MOTU application yet :)
[20:56] <jtaylor> yes I'll start it now
[20:56]  * ajmitch looks for a wiki page to put a +1 on
[20:57] <jtaylor> not yet done
[20:57] <jtaylor> wiki hangs on login :(
[22:46] <Timk> 11.04 UI Much different.  Everyone is a fan?


[15:30] <xnox> realtime-neil:  apt-cdrom dynamically enrolls the iso at runtime. Assuming it is signed by a key that is trusted out of the box.
[15:31] <xnox> normally partman will run the detection..... and use os-prober.
[15:31] <xnox> but it shouldn't if one has preseeded what it should do.....
[15:32] <realtime-neil> xnox: you're saying apt-cdrom generates the sources.list file associated with the top of the volume?
[15:34] <realtime-neil> xnox: whoah, there's a whole man page for this ... I'll start reading
[15:36] <realtime-neil> xnox: thanks for the help; I'll start digging into these


[00:49] <nhandler> So, just a reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow
[00:49] <nhandler> I should be there, but I might be in and out a bit
[01:04] <pleia2> me too
[20:03] <akgraner> Hey all  - Reminder meeting tonight - 2300 UTC here :-)  Hope you all can make it!  There is a lot to discuss!  If you think you would like to help publish (edit and announce it to all the places) the newsletter please add your name to the list (link will be available after the meeting tonight). Then we can figure out who needs training on what and get a training schedule together.  Thanks in advance!
[21:22] <cjohnston> akgraner: ping
[22:52] <akgraner> cjohnston, pong?  was this about the calender?
[22:53] <cjohnston> yes
[22:53] <akgraner> k
[22:53] <akgraner> 7 minutes til the meeting :-)
[22:53] <cjohnston> I'm here..  The chair is akgraner.
[23:01] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:01] <akgraner> hi everyone thanks for joining the news team meeting
[23:01] <akgraner> the agenda for this meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings
[23:02] <akgraner> we may not go in that exact order as I'll do my best to group related topics together
[23:02] <akgraner> so who is here for the meeting?
[23:02] <cjohnston> o/
[23:03] <cjohnston> yay
[23:03] <cjohnston> what do i win
[23:03] <akgraner> ok so it's been a while since our last meeting and there are many new and exciting things
[23:04] <akgraner> [TOPIC]  - Improving UWN Survey Results
[23:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:   - Improving UWN Survey Results
[23:04] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://akgraner.com/?p=820
[23:04] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://akgraner.com/?p=820
[23:05] <akgraner> not sure how many of you all were able to review this results, but based on these answers (as well as the free form answers - which I still need to send to the list), I wanted to propose various changes to the UWN template
[23:06] <akgraner> any comments so far from anyone who has reviewed the survey results?
[23:06] <cjohnston> nope
[23:08] <akgraner> if you get a chance please look over the survey and should you have comments or questions please bring them up  - before Monday (as this is when the next issue will be released)
[23:08] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Revising UWN Template Based on Survey Feedback
[23:08] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Revising UWN Template Based on Survey Feedback
[23:09] <akgraner> [LINK] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:09] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:09] <akgraner> the link above is the current UWN Template
[23:10] <akgraner> I had every intention showing an example of the new proposed template but I ran out of daylight - I'll work on that one tonight before I send the logs out so everyone will have a chance to see it before publication on Monday
[23:11] <akgraner> You can see from the survey which sections are the least read
[23:12] <cjohnston> I'm assuming the ones with the highest vote of not read are going to be cut?
[23:12] <pleia2> I think it's worth noting that even ones which "weren't read" much we still have 50+ people saying they read them
[23:12] <akgraner> these sections - Monthly team reports, Upcoming Meetings and events, updates and security, for example can be represented with links to those wiki pages/archives/calendars rather than listing them all out
[23:12] <pleia2> 14% (the lowest) of readers is nothing to sneeze at
[23:13] <akgraner> pleia2, correct - but the biggest complaint is UWN is too long
[23:13]  * pleia2 nods
[23:14] <pleia2> events and updates I absolutely agree should be put elsewhere - not least of which because they sometimes change
[23:14] <akgraner> so if on the fridge we are giving links to the sections that are listed in "In this Issue" so people can just click on the sections they want to read, my thought was this would fit into that model really well
[23:14] <pleia2> and raising the profile of the community calendars is always a good idea :)
[23:16] <akgraner> pleia2, yeppers exactly :-) if we can drive more traffic and raise the awareness of various Ubuntu resources that are available then as I see it it's a win-win
[23:16] <internalkernel> o/
[23:16] <internalkernel> sorry...
[23:17] <akgraner> internalkernel, no worries  - just glad you could join the meeting
[23:18] <akgraner> so how does this sound- I'll revise the template and let everyone compare/contrast the two version - and offer feedback between now and Sunday.  How does that sound to everyone?
[23:18] <cjohnston> +1
[23:18] <internalkernel> +1
[23:18] <pleia2> +1
[23:19] <akgraner> [ACTION] akgraner to revise UWN template and send link with meeting logs to mailing list
[23:19] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  akgraner to revise UWN template and send link with meeting logs to mailing list
[23:20] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Rotating Editing Publishers List
[23:20] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Rotating Editing Publishers List
[23:21] <akgraner> which brings me to the next topic - who wants to learn to publish UWN so no one person is always responsible to getting the final version out
[23:21] <cjohnston> I will
[23:22] <pleia2> I would like to learn the process, but it would be difficult for me to find the time to actually step up and be a regular, rotating editor
[23:22] <zkriesse> oop, Im here now
[23:22] <akgraner> the following *topics* on the agenda sorta fall within this topic for discussion so here is what I was thinking
[23:22] <internalkernel> pleia2:  ditto...
[23:23] <akgraner> 1) revise the steps so they aren't so intimidating at first glance
[23:24] <akgraner> 2) break up the process so various team members can publish/update some of the areas at the same time - ie one person posting to fridge, while someone else is posting to forums, and someone else is sending to mailing list etc
[23:25] <akgraner> so instead of it being step 1, step 2, step 3 etc
[23:25] <pleia2> making it modular does make sense
[23:26] <akgraner> all those steps can be done by different people - then people rotate those areas and by doing this every eventually learns all the steps anyway
[23:26] <akgraner> without it being an overwhelming or all day process for someone
[23:28] <akgraner> also by making it easier for people to contribute, simplify the how, as well as mentioned earlier revise the template to make it easier to edit etc
[23:28] <akgraner> then it should in theory at least, not burn anyone out
[23:28] <akgraner> thoughts?
[23:28] <pleia2> sounds good
[23:29] <cjohnston> sounds good
[23:29] <akgraner> nhandler, ping are you available?
[23:30] <akgraner> nhandler, had listed a couple topics about the team reports for UWN and the reporting process - we'll skip those for now and come back to them if there is time
[23:31] <akgraner> anything else about UWN before we move onto the Fridge topics?
[23:32] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - ubuntu-news.org / Fridge
[23:32] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - ubuntu-news.org / Fridge
[23:32] <cjohnston> Is it going to be UN?
[23:32] <cjohnston> sorry
[23:32] <akgraner> ahh thanks for the reminder
[23:33] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Proposed UWN name change and publishing schedule
[23:33] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Proposed UWN name change and publishing schedule
[23:34] <akgraner> so when I talked to jono about me stepping down as Editor in Chief - one of the things we discussed was publishing bi-weekly and changing the name to Ubuntu Newsletter
[23:34] <cjohnston> +1
[23:35] <akgraner> any other thoughts? comments? other ideas?
[23:36] <akgraner> as I am not going to be able to contribute as much this cycle the burden for publishing really falls to you all and the rest of the team - so this was not a decision I wanted to make for everyone
[23:37] <pleia2> seems like a good idea
[23:37] <internalkernel> +1 as well
[23:38] <pleia2> if the number of commited volunteers increases we can go back to it being weekly, but calling it "Ubuntu Weekly News" removes the burden of having to do it weekly
[23:38] <akgraner> nods
[23:38] <pleia2> I think right now we simply don't have a choice, we can't do it weekly with the team we have
[23:39] <akgraner> nods
[23:39] <internalkernel> and theres something to be said about being a bit more picky about content and a larger window makes that available
[23:39] <akgraner> correct as well
[23:40] <akgraner> anything else on UWN before we move back to the fridge topic?
[23:40] <pleia2> (btw: I am working on the natty post for the fridge at the moment)
[23:40] <pleia2> alpha1
[23:40] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks - yep I just posted it for work before the meeting
[23:40] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you!
[23:41] <akgraner> [TOPIC] ubuntu-news.org /fridge
[23:41] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  ubuntu-news.org /fridge
[23:42] <akgraner> ok so ubuntu-news.org site code has been reviewed by the Canonical IS team and we have been provided a link to the test site on the Canonical Servers
[23:43] <akgraner> I know myself, pleia2, and nhandler have had the opportunity to *test* the new Fridge on the Canonical server - what other Fridge Editors would like access before we go live with this?
[23:43] <akgraner> also pleia2 and nhandler besides SSO issues is there any other questions or comments that we need to send to IS?
[23:44] <pleia2> I haven't tested actually making a post, I'd like to do so with an image to make sure that's all working ok
[23:44] <akgraner> oh live being what you see on ubuntu-news.org (which is already live and being maintained) becomes fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:45] <akgraner> I hope that makes sense and y'all know what I mean?
[23:46] <akgraner> pleia2, +1 - I was going to test links and stuff this weekend as well
[23:46] <akgraner> pleia2, can I list you in addition to me as a contact for the other fridge editors to contact if they want access to test site?
[23:46] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[23:47] <akgraner> great thanks!
[23:48] <pleia2> and I should be available more this month, december is my peaceful month :)
[23:48] <akgraner> nhandler has also taken the time to write up a "How to Contribute to the Fridge" document. For some reason I am not finding the link to it but will include it in the logs
[23:49] <pleia2> I think it's still private (unless it was moved to the wiki?)
[23:50] <akgraner> iirc it's ready to be moved over, but I'll double check before posting it publicly
[23:51]  * pleia2 nods
[23:51] <akgraner> so is there any questions, comments, thoughts about the ubuntu-news.org or fridge.ubuntu.com sites?
[23:52] <pleia2> thank you for spending so much time working with canonical to make this happen :)
[23:53] <internalkernel> what pleia2 said, thanks!
[23:53] <akgraner> Most welcome - I learned a lot - about websites, Canonical IS and even myself :-)  So, I know we need some more active Fridge Editors suggestions on how to make this happen?
[23:55] <nhandler> o/
[23:55] <akgraner> right now I think nhandler, pleia2 and highvoltage are the ones contributing - I know there is a process, does the process need revising? Or do the current fridge editors just need to nominate more people?
[23:55] <nhandler> Sorry about being late, I thought the meeting was an hour later for some reason
[23:55] <pleia2> the process has people nominate themselves and then we bring them on board
[23:56] <akgraner> hey nhandler you made it! Yay! (if no one minds staying 15-20 minutes longer we can circle back around to nhandler 's topics.
[23:56] <akgraner> nhandler, daylight savings time seems to have messed up a couple of the meeting times (sorry I thought I had fixed them all)
[23:56] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. I'll read the backlog and give feedback/comments where appropriate later
[23:57] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you!
[23:57] <nhandler> m/51
[23:57] <cjohnston> Should UN publishers have fridge access?
[23:57] <nhandler> I think that came up a few meetings ago
[23:58] <cjohnston> Well, now that we are going to a rotating publisher model thing
[23:58] <nhandler> I thought we determined that they could definitely go ahead and apply and go through the training process, but it shouldn't just be automatic
[23:58] <cjohnston> ok
[23:58] <pleia2> nhandler: +1
[23:58] <akgraner> nhandler, yep I was going to say that
[23:59] <akgraner> also with the Fridge being a WP site we can give new publisher  - fridge access to only contribute and posts will have to be reviewed before they are posted
[23:59] <nhandler> Yep. FYI, we have an ubuntu account (username: ubuntu pass:ubuntu) that does just that
[23:59] <akgraner> then they can go from contributor, to author, to editor (i think that is the right order)


[00:41] <momelod> greetings channel
[00:42] <momelod> can anyone point me to the documentation for myth's apple trailer plugin ?
[02:08] <mxktmdude> hi everyone, my tv out stops working as soon as the boot up splash screen goes away, i would like to use mythtv on my regular tv using composite out
[13:12] <ert45zt> how can i make a mythbuntu live cd booted via PXE installable to NFS share ?
[13:14] <ert45zt> or how can i make my changes persistend to  the mythbuntu live CD
[15:06] <Cyber-Dogg> can someone tell me where the default location of the channel change binary is?
[15:07] <Cyber-Dogg> i'm trying to test using the UUID instead of the node to change the channels (for a problem I'm having)
[15:07] <Cyber-Dogg> but I can't find the binary to do so
[15:08] <Cyber-Dogg> I assume that it's using 6200ch ?"
[15:28] <Cyber-Dogg> am I to interpret this (NOTE: The 6200.ch changer is included in the Ubuntu MythTV packages and is no longer needed for the Motorola 62xx STBs.) as saying that mythbuntu is using 6200ch internall
[15:30] <mrand> Cyber-Dogg: I don't believe any channel changers are internal.
[15:32] <mrand> Oh wait, except for firewire.  Is that what you're trying to use?
[15:34] <Cyber-Dogg> yeah
[15:40] <mrand> Cyber-Dogg: sorry, I don't have one, so I have no experience with it.  I don't quite understand the comment about it being no longer needed... perhaps it was integrated into mythtv proper, but I can't find it, and I do find references to people still using channel changers for the 6200 in 0.22.  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407262  for example.  I see a passing reference where someone said they were real happy wi
[15:45] <Thom-> hello guys, i have a strange problem.. when i'm watching tv and it gets to the end of the show mythtv zapps back to the beginning of the show... i can't get to the next show automaticaly, but only if i reselect ("reload?") the channel. Sometimes i have the same problem with the ads
[15:46] <mrand> Thom-: that is indeed very strange.   Are you running MythTV 0.22?
[15:46] <Thom-> yes, latest mythbuntu installed
[15:46] <mrand>  You are welcome to hang out here to see if anyone suggests anything, but I would personally ask on #mythtv-users
[15:47] <Thom-> :D okay
[16:00] <Thom-> as i'm already here... ;)  i had 3 partitions (windows, data, downloads). Yesterday i installed mythbuntu on the data partition (used 70 free gb for mythbuntu). In mythbuntu i now can not see any of the other partitions
[16:02] <Thom-> is it possible to use them normally? In the ubuntuforums they talk about a gui possibility, but i could not find any howto for mythbuntu :\
[16:16] <spiderworm> does anyone know how i can get the current ubuntu 9.10 /etc/init.d/lirc file?  uninstalling and reinstalling lirc didnt do it
[16:31] <ert45zt> try the mythbuntu-controlchenter for lirc installation
[16:36] <spiderworm> ert45zt, that didnt do it either
[16:36] <spiderworm> thanks for the idea, tho
[16:58] <tgm4883> spiderworm, what are you trying to do?
[17:01] <ert45zt> have you apt-file installted to find out in wich packet the file should exist
[19:01] <Thom-> is there a gui rar archive tool in the repositorys? the package rar doesn't allow me to open a .rar file in the filemanager
[20:23] <neon_> need some help, i have a tv tuner that works with tvtime, but i can not get it to work with mythtv whatsoever, mythtv recognizes but after that i'm clueles on what to do i spent hours trying to get it to work to no avail any suggestions will be appreciated thx
[20:24] <neon_> !help
[20:24] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:42] <linxeh> Thom-: ark (kde), unrar, xarchiver ?
[23:04] <_abbenormal> hello all
[23:04] <_abbenormal> have a few ? for anyone who can help
[23:05] <_abbenormal> im using the release with 22 can i do the trunk
[23:05] <_abbenormal> and build it my self or will i lose the scripts that are setup now
[23:07] <_abbenormal> if i can where would i setup the svn to ive built it before but used /usr/local/src as the build folder
[23:07] <_abbenormal> did /usr/local/src/mythtv/mythtv-112109 as the svn get
[23:08] <_abbenormal> so i may need a helping hand if it is advised to build it from trunk
[23:09] <_abbenormal> to know where mythubuntu has info setup in
[23:45] <yfwork> superm1: Had you any joy getting lirc_zilog.ko into a package yet? Want to upgrade my 9.04 systems but I want to try and do it without using the patch to lirc
[23:58] <superm1> yfwork, havent gotten around to it yet no


[00:30] <AncientOfDays> Is there a PPC version of Lubuntu?
[01:42] <lamduh> is there a way to restore lxterminal to its defaults? I just uninstalled zsh and want to get back to how I was
[14:04] <n-iCe> hi
[15:28] <Student1> Hi. New to Lubuntu. Need help!
[15:28] <n-iCe> ask
[15:29] <LuMint> Student1: hello
[15:29] <LuMint> Student1: what is it?
[15:29] <Student1> Trying to install Libreoffice using Terminal and I keep getting error messages.
[15:30] <Student1> Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[15:30] <Student1> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[15:31] <LuMint> did you?
[15:31] <LuMint> had u used sudo?
[15:31] <Student1> I am using commands from the Lubuntu forum but it isn't working. I keep rebooting and trying different versions of sudo apt and apt get type commands to no avail
[15:33] <LuMint> execute these
[15:33] <Student1> It was working before. I think initially the issue was I only did the first command sudo apt get update and then just typed a bunch of commands afterward
[15:33] <LuMint> close terminal window
[15:33] <Student1> Closed
[15:33] <LuMint> every instance you have, close it
[15:33] <LuMint> right
[15:33] <LuMint> now open it and type
[15:34] <LuMint> sudo apt update
[15:34] <LuMint> and hit enter
[15:34] <LuMint> ready?
[15:34] <Student1> 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.
[15:35] <LuMint> now
[15:35] <LuMint> sudo apt install libreoffice
[15:36] <Student1> I went ahead and ran the upgrade command
[15:36] <LuMint> sure, why not
[15:36] <Student1> ttf-mscorefonts-installer/zesty 3.4+nmu1ubuntu2 all [upgradable from: 3.4+nmu1ubuntu2] N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it
[15:37] <LuMint> why are you telling us this? are we installing libreoffice or what?
[15:37] <Student1> The blue and gray box from Microsoft asking me to give permission kept coming up and I thought that may be the error.
[15:37] <Student1> I'll type it in yes now thanks
[15:37] <LuMint> don't interrupt the upgrade process
[15:37] <LuMint> if it's not finished yet
[15:38] <LuMint> it's a bad idea to interrupt it
[15:38] <Student1> It was a static screen.
[15:38] <Student1> It didn't seem to be doing anything. It seemed to be asking for my response but I hit enter, etc...and nothing happened
[15:39] <Student1> The command seems to be installing Libreoffice now
[15:39] <LuMint> yes, because you executed it with sufficient permissions
[15:39] <LuMint> (sudo)
[15:40] <Student1> I typed sudo each time before I'm pretty sure.
[15:40] <Student1> Here it is again
[15:40] <LuMint> what, could not open /var/lib ?
[15:40] <LuMint> this message?
[15:41] <Student1> The package configuration ttf fonts installer
[15:41] <LuMint> what about it?
[15:41] <Student1> Is it done? It says <Ok>
[15:41] <LuMint> probably is
[15:41] <LuMint> input lowriter in terminal and hit enter
[15:42] <LuMint> that's the quieckest way of making sure its ok
[15:42] <Student1> I can't input anything in this terminal window
[15:42] <Student1> It seems like it is waiting for my response but no response is acknowledged.
[15:43] <LuMint> please copy paste the latest line
[15:43] <LuMint> what does it say
[15:43] <LuMint> maybe it wants you to input y or n
[15:43] <Student1> I had to use the arrow key below. Figured it out.
[15:43] <LuMint> right
[15:43] <LuMint> you can also use ctrl+l
[15:43] <LuMint> to clear the screen
[15:43] <LuMint> so
[15:43] <LuMint> doew lowriter command work?
[15:44] <Student1> Just input, 'lowriter'?
[15:44] <Student1> It's unpacking a bunch now
[15:44] <LuMint> did it
[15:44] <LuMint> finish intalling libreoffice or not?
[15:45] <LuMint> oris it in process?
[15:46] <Student1> It did. I typed lowriter and there's a ton of all caps yellow font WARNING
[15:47] <LuMint> do you see libreoffice writerwindow?
[15:48] <Student1> A screen showing Libreoffice popped up then went away and I see it's been added under office in the start menu
[15:49] <LuMint> Student1: tell me it works
[15:50] <Student1> Yes it works
[15:50] <LuMint> nice
[15:50] <Student1> Thank you
[15:50] <LuMint> there should be any warnings though.
[15:50] <LuMint> on 14.04
[15:50] <LuMint> but you're on 16.04
[15:51] <Student1> 17.04
[15:51] <LuMint> and, secondly, warnings are normal when launching programms from terminal
[15:51] <LuMint> in linux world
[15:51] <Student1> Oh ok
[15:51] <Student1> How do I delete abiword?
[15:51] <LuMint> you should launch it from terminal to see what's wrong with it
[15:51] <LuMint> sudo apt purge abiword
[15:51] <LuMint> and maybe
[15:52] <LuMint> sudo apt-get --autoremove afterwards
[15:52] <Student1> What does that last command do?
[15:52] <LuMint> removes leftovers
[15:52] <LuMint> usually apt tells you if there are some
[15:52] <LuMint> and suggests you execute this command
[15:52] <Student1> Is it all one line?
[15:52] <LuMint> if it doesn't
[15:52] <LuMint> don't run it if it doesn't, because why bother
[15:53] <LuMint> u can make it one line yes
[15:53] <LuMint> use ;
[15:53] <LuMint> or better yet
[15:53] <LuMint> &&
[15:53] <LuMint> like when ur installing something
[15:53] <LuMint> sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y programmname
[15:53] <LuMint> -y stands for YES to every prompt made during installation
[15:54] <LuMint> you want to add yes if you are lazy
[15:54] <LuMint> usually, i dont
[15:54] <Student1> I typed in lowriter again
[15:54] <LuMint> just start it the normal way
[15:54] <LuMint> alt+f2 or winkey+r
[15:54] <Student1> It started to run then stopped and says a bunch of stuff
[15:55] <LuMint> close terminal window
[15:55] <LuMint> and open it the regular way
[15:55] <LuMint> either from start menu
[15:55] <LuMint> or
[15:55] <LuMint> alt+f2 or winkey+r
[15:55] <LuMint> and lowriter typed into
[15:56] <Student1> It isn't fully running that way
[15:56] <Student1> It starts then stops and the message saying it quit unexpectedly
[15:57] <LuMint> any more detail?
[15:57] <LuMint> start it from terminal and copy paste the output, warnings, errors
[15:57] <LuMint> pastebin it
[15:58] <Student1> (soffice:7183): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:23:18: not a number  (soffice:7183): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:23:18: Expected a string.  (soffice:7183): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:815:10: not a number  (soffice:7183): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:815:24: Using Pango syntax for the font: style property is deprecated; please use CSS sy
[15:59] <Student1> And yes it seems it still isn't working...
[15:59] <Student1> It opens and immediately closes
[16:02] <LuMint> idk, i don't see anything serious
[16:02] <Student1> It doesn't work though
[16:02] <LuMint> https://askubuntu.com/questions/930760/ubuntu-17-04-libreoffice-crashes-on-start
[16:03] <LuMint> https://askubuntu.com/questions/927859/libreoffice-writer-crashes-on-start?noredirect=1
[16:03] <LuMint> https://askubuntu.com/questions/623373/libreoffice-crash?noredirect=1
[16:03] <LuMint> idk you could try reconfiguring loffice
[16:03] <LuMint> those warnings of yours don't look serious to me
[16:04] <Student1> The 1st link you sent suggests I update because it could be a kernel issue. How do I do that?
[16:05] <LuMint> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:07] <LuMint> and of course you may purge libreoffice and try installing it again. for all I know you may have interrupted the installation process so it hasn't finished correctlyor whatever
[16:07] <LuMint> i can't rule that out completely
[16:08] <Student1> I did the command you just stated and it finished. It no longer says my computer name, just shows, ">".
[16:09] <LuMint> screenshot please
[16:09] <LuMint> if you can
[16:09] <LuMint> or try hittign ctrl+l
[16:09] <LuMint> does it change?
[16:10] <Student1> ubottu > ubuntulog > Unit193 > venzen > xMopxShell > yofel >
[16:11] <Student1> I don't know how to screenshot.
[16:11] <Student1> That's the text shown. I tried another sudo apt command to get vlc and it shows only, >
[16:12] <LuMint> what did you execute?
[16:12] <LuMint> where did you do it?
[16:12] <LuMint> Student1: xfce-screenshoter
[16:12] <Student1> I closed that window and reopened terminal and now it shows as normal.
[16:13] <LuMint> sudo apt install xfce4-screenshooter
[16:16] <Student1> Ok. I have that program now.
[16:16] <Student1> What do I do to get Libreoffice working though?
[16:16] <LuMint> so you can screenshot whatever you want
[16:17] <LuMint> sudo apt update
[16:17] <Student1> Now yes thanks to you
[16:17] <LuMint> wait
[16:17] <LuMint> sudo apt update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:17] <LuMint> if something fails make a screenshot
[16:18] <LuMint> then if that doesn't help you can purge libreoffice and then install it again to see if it works
[16:18] <Student1> It didn't fail
[16:18] <LuMint> for more help ask around here or visit #ubuntu
[16:18] <LuMint> i got to go
[16:18] <Student1> Ok thanks a lot I appreciate that!
[16:18] <LuMint> on #ubuntu there are more people and this problem of yours is by no means LXDE specific
[16:18] <LuMint> that is, it's not lubuntu specific
[16:18] <LuMint> yw
[16:19] <LuMint> Student1: sorry it hasn't worked out well enough yet...
[16:21] <Student1> It put me in unregged
[16:22] <Joana_Ribeiro> hello there
[16:22] <LuMint> Student1: /say /join #freenode
[16:22] <LuMint> and register a nickname
[16:22] <LuMint> if you cant post there
[16:24] <Joana_Ribeiro> i've chosen a nickname already, before joining this chat...
[16:24] <Joana_Ribeiro> i just wanted to ask a question
[16:24] <Joana_Ribeiro> or get some guidance
[16:24] <Joana_Ribeiro> i need to upgrade my version of lubuntu from 14.04 LTS to 17.04 LTS, but i can't figure how
[16:25] <Unit193> 17.04 isn't an LTS, 16.04 is.
[16:25] <LuMint> Joana_Ribeiro: something with release-upgrade
[16:26] <LuMint> it'll upgrade you to 16.04
[16:27] <LuMint> sudo apt update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ; sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:27] <LuMint> do these and you'll have the latest LTS, that is 16.04
[16:27] <LuMint> if has relatively new software and its stable enough for most users.
[16:27] <LuMint> anyway
[16:27] <LuMint> to change to 17.04 youd only have to change the base repos.
[16:28] <LuMint> then run apt update and apt upgrade and pray nothing breaks
[16:28] <Joana_Ribeiro> and where can i find the rigth repository to get 17.04 ?
[16:28] <Joana_Ribeiro> right*
[16:28] <Unit193> No, it's the same process you just have to change /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[16:29] <LuMint> Unit193: one can also do it my way. just saying.
[16:29] <LuMint> yours is better, though
[16:29] <Unit193> I'm aware it works, I've had to do it the Debian Way™ when the other broke once.
[16:30] <Joana_Ribeiro> so, i have to upgrade 2 times to get the 17.04 version?
[16:31] <LuMint> i'd do it gradually if I were you.
[16:31] <LuMint> first 16.04 then 17.04 if everything is okay.
[16:31] <Joana_Ribeiro> ok, i'll try this, thanks
[16:31] <Joana_Ribeiro> =)
[16:33] <LuMint> good luck
[16:51] <Student1> I purged libreoffice then reinstalled it and it still doesn't work. Same warning errors.
[16:54] <Student1> How do I post a screenshot
[16:55] <tsimonq2> Student1: Go to imgur and put it there :)
[16:56] <Student1> I don't know what that means
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Student1: http://imgur.com/
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Student1: Click "New Post" at the top
[16:57] <tsimonq2> And follow the instructions :)
[16:58] <tsimonq2> Then, give me the URL of the site it redirects you to.
[16:58] <Student1> I need an account to post an image? There's no other way to do it directly on here?
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Nope
[16:59] <tsimonq2> And you don't need an account?
[16:59] <tsimonq2> You just need somewhere to put the pic, Student1
[16:59] <tsimonq2> That's just an example
[17:05] <Student1> http://i.imgur.com/adRdXdm.png
[17:08] <tsimonq2> Student1: Those are just warning messages
[17:08] <tsimonq2> LibreOffice doesn't start at all?
[17:09] <Student1> It says Libreoffice across the screen as though it is starting and then nothing happens.
[18:00] <LuMint> tsimonq2: actually it's a built in function of xfce-screenshooter
[18:00] <LuMint> upload to imgur
[18:01] <tsimonq2> LuMint: That too :P
[18:01] <LuMint> tsimonq2: any idea what could be wrong w/ his install?
[18:01] <LuMint> I feel sorry about libreoffice not working :( it's something that should work ootb
[18:04] <tsimonq2> LuMint: I'm not sure :(
[18:04] <tsimonq2> !ask
[18:04] <tsimonq2> I don't know the answer
[18:04] <tsimonq2> So I'm not replying :P
[18:05] <LuMint> me neither
[18:05] <LuMint> i fail to see how these gtk warnings could lead to lowriter not starting
[18:05] <LuMint> doesn't make sense
[18:05] <LuMint> what does makes sense is his using 17.04
[18:05] <LuMint> an unstable release
[18:06] <tsimonq2> LuMint: That's a stable release
[18:06] <LuMint> right
[18:07] <helpplease> having issues with software update on 17.04. keeps saying no internet connection
[18:07] <LuMint> tsimonq2: turns out it's not exactly stable, is it?
[18:07] <Student1> LuMint, you're saying I should use a different version then of Lubuntu?
[18:08] <LuMint> Student1: if you have a new install, I'd go for 16.04
[18:08] <LuMint> Student1: have you approached the guys on #ubuntu yet?
[18:09] <LuMint> there's much more people there
[18:09] <LuMint> Student1: I take it purging and reinstalling didn't solve the problem, am I right?
[18:09] <Student1> I can change it. The ubuntu chat put me in unregulated or something because of there being so many spammers
[18:09] <LuMint> you should go to #freenode and register a nickname
[18:09]  * n-iCe dances
[18:09] <LuMint> it's simple and fast
[18:10] <Student1> I purged and reinstalled 5+ times...
[18:10] <Student1> freenode?
[18:10] <Student1> For?
[18:10] <helpplease> any known issues with software updater lubuntu 17.04?
[18:10] <LuMint> /join #freenode
[18:10] <LuMint> that's what you have to enter in your IRC client
[18:10] <Student1> I really don't know what any of that is
[18:11] <LuMint> and tell them you want to have your nickname registered
[18:11] <LuMint> right
[18:11] <LuMint> there's an internet messaging protocol, called IRC
[18:11] <LuMint> it's a centralized protocol in that there are servers and clients connecting to them
[18:12] <LuMint> the server(actually it's a network of servers, but anyways) we are currently using is  called Freenode
[18:12] <LuMint> you are (presumably) using Hexchat client
[18:12] <LuMint> now Freenode has support channel called #freenode
[18:12] <LuMint> to join it you either have to use graphical user interface
[18:13] <LuMint> or simply enter /join #freenode (you can do it right here!) and hit enter
[18:16] <LuMint> Student1: has it worked for you?
[18:19] <Student1> This worked. https://askubuntu.com/questions/927859/libreoffice-writer-crashes-on-start. Tools - Options - Advanced - Deselect Java Environment and now it works!
[18:20] <LuMint> it's been 2 hrs since i posted it ;)
[18:20] <n-iCe> haha
[18:21] <LuMint> Student1: you'll learn pretty quick and it's not going to take you that long should you (God forbid) have problems with your OS again
[18:22] <LuMint> Student1: great to hear it works :)
[18:27] <Mmossi> Hi... just installed lubuntu 17.04 and having trouble connecting wifi. OK connecting to ether net. I don't know how to configure wifi. Can some one help?
[18:27] <n-iCe> Mmossi: sure, is your card detected?
[18:28] <Mmossi> Maybe not. I don't know how to tell.
[18:28] <n-iCe> ok, go to a terminal, and use the command 'dmesg'
[18:28] <n-iCe> do you see errors about your wifi card?
[18:28] <n-iCe> or driver wifi card
[18:29] <Mmossi> Give me a sec
[18:30] <n-iCe> or use, sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit
[18:30] <n-iCe> and paste in here the url at the end
[18:38] <Mmossi> I ran the desegregation command. I see an entry that says b43/ucode15.fw not found.
[18:38] <Mmossi> Go to wireless.kernel.organization to get the correct firmware.
[18:39] <n-iCe> you using lubuntu?
[18:40] <Mmossi> Yes
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[18:40] <Mmossi> I type those commands?
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe b43
[18:40] <n-iCe> sudo reboot
[18:40] <n-iCe> of course.
[18:41] <Mmossi> OK. Hold on.
[18:45] <Mmossi> It is installing b43
[18:45] <n-iCe> good
[18:46] <Mmossi> I am rebooting
[18:47] <Mmossi> After rebooting should I run dmesg?
[18:48] <n-iCe> after reboot try your wifi, if does not work, check dmesg and come back here
[18:48] <Mmossi> The wifi is there. I wil. Try it.
[18:48] <n-iCe> good
[18:48] <n-iCe> try
[18:50] <Mmossi> It connected. Thank you very much.
[18:51] <n-iCe> no problem
[20:06] <Mmossi> Hi, do you know if there is a version of Google Chrome that I can run on lubuntu?
[20:51] <LuMint> i can't start multiple x sessions for some reason
[20:51] <LuMint> on Linux Mint I could go to tty2 and startx from there
[20:51] <LuMint> as a result, the second X session would be nested on tty8 or tty9, don't recall exactly
[20:51] <LuMint> actually, on tty8
[20:52] <LuMint> in Lubuntu, when I go to tty2 and startx, I simply can't switch to this xsession I've just started
[20:52] <LuMint> how do I fix that?