[00:56] <calc> 1 bug to 100% watched on OOo :)
[02:36] <Ampelbein> maco: ping about bug #291268
[02:36] <maco> hi
[02:36] <maco> are you andreas moog?
[02:36] <Ampelbein> maco: yupp
[02:36] <maco> ah ok
[02:36] <maco> i was thinking if its fixed in jaunty, then fx released would make more sense
[02:37] <Ampelbein> maco: generally i don't like fix released when i do not find a matching changelog entry
[02:37] <maco> (the letter that comes after h and before j = broken)
[02:37] <maco> oh ok
[02:37] <maco> was guessing "new upstream release" probably caught it
[02:37] <Ampelbein> perhaps it's just a coincidence and it worked here even before jaunty so i was asking the reporter to test again.
[02:38] <maco> right
[02:38] <Ampelbein> or it just happens with special email addresses... there are a couple of reasons i could think of why it works for me but not for him
[02:42] <torkiano> hello, powertop reports a lot of interrups of my graphic card
[02:43] <torkiano> I disabled 3d effects
[02:44] <torkiano> this only happens in kubuntu, in ubuntu the number of interrups are normal
[02:56] <maco> Ampelbein: i can reproduce t
[02:57] <maco> *it
[02:57] <Ampelbein> maco: how?
[02:57] <maco> did you put the email address in the email slot or the name slot?
[02:57] <Ampelbein> the name-slot
[02:57] <maco> if i put<EMAIL_ADDRESS>inot the name slot, gpg goes to 98% cpu
[02:58] <maco> i just chose to edit my key and added it
[02:58] <maco> .. :-/ i use gpg-agent, not seahorse agent, but that *shouldn't* affect the non-agent stuff...
[02:58] <Ampelbein> right.
[02:59] <maco> well lets check+1
[03:00] <Ampelbein> strange thing. if i try with my primary-key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it just works.
[03:00] <Ampelbein> if i try a newly created key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it does not
[03:01] <Ampelbein> will provide a backtrace and reopen.
[03:01] <maco> intresting
[03:06] <tw1tch> hey can anyone help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/292355 do we have enough information to set to confirmed if not what else do we need thanks = )
[03:08] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: actually, 347588 is _not_ a dupe of 345627
[03:09] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: your hardware issues is very specific; the other reporter's symptoms are precisely the issue addressed by the test kernel
[03:09] <maco> tw1tch: confirmed = there's a reproducible test case. so if you can say the specific hardware and show it works on multiple of that hardware, that's confirmed
[03:19] <tw1tch> maco: since its a bug do you mean, doesn't work on multiple of that hardware? also, correct me if im wrong but cant you confirm a bug if there is enough information that a dev can see it? without having multiples report same behavior? obviously conflicting behavior from multiples would not be enough, thanks
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <YoBoY> hi
[06:46] <dholbach> hi YoBoY
[06:46] <YoBoY> yo dholbach :)
[06:47] <YoBoY> dholbach: you plan to put back your five-a-day-stats one day? :p
[06:50] <dholbach> YoBoY: yes, definitely, yes :)
[07:25] <dominiks> good morning
[07:32] <dominiks> I'd like to ask one question regarding bug 344073 - problem was resolved by reporter by manual installing printer driver from manufacturer website. Is it common practice to package such drivers too? Should I suggest that driver for packaging? Or is it fine to manual install drivers? Sorry, I'm not very familiar with printer drivers. Thanks.
[07:35] <YoBoY> hi dominiks
[07:41] <YoBoY> it's fine, but this driver could be installed automaticaly with the jockey-gtk perhaps. The problem here is a mix of a support request and a regression bug ("my printer don't work, but worked in 8.10"), ask if it had installed the proprietary driver in 8.10 or not and the model of his printer
[07:43] <YoBoY> ^^^ dominiks: ^^^
[07:43] <YoBoY> oups the model is in th begining sorry :p
[07:44] <thekorn> and the target for this bug should not be cups but hplip
[07:45] <dominiks> ok.. thanks for advices
[07:49] <dominiks> could I add info about assigning HP printer related problems to hplip to wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage? ... as future reference for bugsquad newbies like me? :)
[07:52] <YoBoY> dominiks: the section "printing System" don't help?
[07:54] <dominiks> I was not able to find anything about hplip.. but maybe I just need some coffee first :)
[07:54] <YoBoY> have you search the doc?
[07:55] <YoBoY> dominiks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne << like this one
[07:56] <dominiks> oh thanks
[07:57] <YoBoY> the wiki and the community doc are not the same (don't ask why...), don't forget to look everywhere :)
[07:58] <dominiks> yeah i see.. my fault I was too lazy
[07:58] <dominiks> I'm not good BugSquader at all.. I should better stop :)
[08:06] <YoBoY> dominiks: you are better than me, the begining is not simple :)
[08:07] <YoBoY> bye
[11:11] <BUGabundo> foo
[11:12] <BUGabundo> good morning
[11:12] <BUGabundo> can some one take a look and triage this bug
[11:12] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxnm/+bug/347571
[11:12] <BUGabundo> thanks in advance
[11:22] <thekorn> BUGabundo, hi, do you know this user who reported this bug in personal?
[11:24] <BUGabundo> thekorn: yes
[11:24] <BUGabundo> need further feed back?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> thekorn: why do you ask?
[11:26] <thekorn> BUGabundo, can you please ask him why he filed so many needs packaging bugs like bug 230310
[11:26] <BUGabundo> thekorn: will do
[11:26] <thekorn> which does only contain the url of the software without further information
[11:26] <BUGabundo> ROFL : evaristo?? eheh
[11:27] <BUGabundo> someone actuall confirmed it?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> nice
[11:27] <Mewcenary> I've applied for BugControl via Launchpad.  Is there anything else that I need to do at this stage?
[11:28] <Mewcenary> Hello everyone, by the way :-)
[11:31] <thekorn> hi Mewcenary
[11:31] <thekorn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl has more information on the application process
[11:37] <Mewcenary> Many thanks, thekorn.
[11:46] <BUGabundo> hew ping
[11:46] <BUGabundo> what debug packages do I need for bug 279820
[11:46] <BUGabundo> ?
[11:46] <Hew> BUGabundo: pong
[11:47] <Hew> BUGabundo: I generally work it out by looking at the ?? lines in a stacktrace
[11:47] <BUGabundo> great... you have better skills then me
[11:47]  * BUGabundo opens logs
[11:48] <BUGabundo> I would guess xorg?
[11:48] <Hew> BUGabundo: Feel free to pastebin and I'll have a look
[11:48] <BUGabundo> its on the bug hew
[11:49] <Hew> BUGabundo: There is an incomplete stacktrace attached? Where?
[11:50] <BUGabundo> humm damn apport
[11:50] <BUGabundo> it didn't attach it
[11:50] <Hew> apport-collect didn't seem to do much other than spam my inbox :P
[11:50] <BUGabundo> why would anyone mark as dupe, if the trace doesn't get uploaded.... bah
[11:50] <BUGabundo> yeah
[11:50] <BUGabundo> ok. will try to get a crash from compiz
[11:50] <Hew> BUGabundo: That's an apport thing, it removes all attachments when it marks as a dupe, unfortunately
[11:51] <BUGabundo> most of the times it just dies... doesn't crash
[11:51] <BUGabundo> making it very difficult to get a .crash
[11:51] <Hew> BUGabundo: Thanks! I know it's hard getting a gdb trace in startup situations like this, which is why I just prefer getting the right symbols and letting apport take care of it.
[11:51] <seb128> you can use sudo apport-retrace
[11:52] <BUGabundo> I don't have a trace now
[11:52] <seb128> it installs what is require and retrace locally
[11:52] <BUGabundo> but 15 mins ago compiz died on my, while closing Nautilus
[11:53] <BUGabundo> seb128: can I just do sudo apport-retrace 279820 ?
[11:53] <Hew> seb128: If the retrace fails on launchpad, will it work with apport-retrace locally? I'm still not clued up on apport / traces, but I was under the impression that it would still be incomplete.
[11:53] <BUGabundo> hey
[11:53] <BUGabundo> got one .crash still on var/crash
[11:53] <seb128> depends, it can fail for several reasons
[11:53] <BUGabundo> -rw------- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 7.6M 2009-03-23 11:35 _usr_bin_compiz.real.1000.crash
[11:53] <seb128> BUGabundo: you can try
[11:54] <jerrymcfarts> when you guys do bug reporting do you run your programs in a Virtual machine?
[11:54] <BUGabundo> let 1st try to apport it
[11:54] <BUGabundo> to a new bug
[11:54] <seb128> it can fail because the dbgsym are not available
[11:54] <seb128> or don't match the available version
[11:54] <seb128> or because the upload didn't work correctly
[11:54] <seb128> etc
[11:54] <BUGabundo> then I'll manually mark as dupe of original bug
[11:54] <Hew> jerrymcfarts: I'm running Jaunty as my main OS, and I just report / triage everything as is.
[11:54] <BUGabundo> if the LP retrace fails, I'll try locally
[11:55] <BUGabundo> I removed MANY gdb packages during the weekend
[11:55] <BUGabundo> I was low on disk space
[11:55] <BUGabundo> <100MiBs
[11:55] <BUGabundo> now I have 2.2GiBs
[11:55] <BUGabundo> yay
[11:55] <Hew> seb128: Ah ok, I didn't know that, thanks.
[11:56] <BUGabundo> ok this must be a bug!!!
[11:56] <Hew> BUGabundo: Feel free to pull the stacktrace from the .crash file and put it in a pastebin if you need help finding the right debug symbols
[11:56] <BUGabundo> double clicking on the .crash doesn't do anything
[11:56] <BUGabundo> after upload
[11:56] <BUGabundo> but running on the cli works!!!
[11:57] <BUGabundo> will file that bug next!
[11:57] <BUGabundo> 33% uploaded
[11:58] <BUGabundo> on LP now
[11:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/347869
[11:59] <BUGabundo> LP retracing now
[12:00] <BUGabundo> seb128: so how do I retrace locally?
[12:00] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/347869
[12:02] <seb128> BUGabundo: sudo apport-retrace .crash
[12:03] <seb128> BUGabundo: or apport-unpack .crash dir; cd dir; gdb $(which binary) CoreDump there
[12:03] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/347874
[12:04] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apport-retrace _usr_bin_compiz.real.1000.crash
[12:04] <BUGabundo> apport-retrace: error: you either need to do a local operation (-s, -g, -o) or supply an authentication file (--auth); see --help for a short online help
[12:04] <BUGabundo> seb128: it failed
[12:05] <seb128> BUGabundo: use -s then
[12:05] <seb128> or -g
[12:05] <BUGabundo> trying second method
[12:05] <BUGabundo> seb128: on gdb do I do bt full ?
[12:06] <seb128> yes
[12:06] <seb128> "t a a b f" or "bt" to start
[12:07] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/136679/
[12:07] <BUGabundo> no symbols
[12:07] <BUGabundo> installing compiz-core-dbgsym
[12:07] <seb128> "/usr/bin/compiz": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[12:07] <seb128> BUGabundo: you want to gdb /usr/bin/compiz.real
[12:08] <BUGabundo> ahh
[12:08] <BUGabundo> got a nice trace
[12:09] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/136680/
[12:09] <BUGabundo> but check the bug retrace too
[12:12] <seb128> BUGabundo: you need compliz-plugins-dbgsym
[12:12] <seb128> that's why it doesn't work on the retracers, plugins are not a depends and don't get installed by apport-retrace I guess
[12:12] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:12] <BUGabundo> isntalling now
[12:12] <BUGabundo> E: Couldn't find package compliz-plugins-dbgsym
[12:12] <BUGabundo> typo
[12:12] <BUGabundo> fixed
[12:13] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/136682/
[12:14] <Hew> BUGabundo: Better, but still a few missing (see the ?? lines)
[12:14] <BUGabundo> yes
[12:15] <BUGabundo> #15 0x00007f743de907ec in ?? () from /usr/lib/compiz/lib3d.so
[12:15] <Hew> BUGabundo: compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[12:16] <Hew> BUGabundo: To find the right package, I use dpkg -S /path/to/needed.so
[12:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/136686/
[12:16] <BUGabundo> thanks hew
[12:16] <BUGabundo> good to know
[12:17] <Hew> BUGabundo: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[12:17] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[12:17] <BUGabundo> compiz*
[12:17] <Hew> BUGabundo: Haha, yea pretty much
[12:18] <Hew> BUGabundo: That should be the last one though, and then we have a full stacktrace! Thanks a lot!
[12:18] <BUGabundo> one more
[12:18] <BUGabundo> compiz-gnome-d
[12:18] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/136689/
[12:19] <BUGabundo> Murphys law! the bug is always on the last package
[12:22] <Hew> BUGabundo: Excellent! If you could attach that to bug 279820, we can get this bug triaged. I'm not much help when it comes to reading these things I'm afraid, but hopefully someone else can see where the problem lies.
[12:23] <BUGabundo> phone brb
[12:26] <BUGabundo> back
[12:26] <BUGabundo> hew attaching now
[12:27] <BUGabundo> hew apport retrace could do this all...
[12:27] <BUGabundo> suggest packages to install
[12:27] <BUGabundo> and pass them along to apt
[12:27] <Hew> BUGabundo: you mean it currently does this, or it should?
[12:28] <BUGabundo> it should
[12:28] <Hew> BUGabundo: Yes, I strongly agree!
[12:28] <BUGabundo> then I wouldn't have to manually find and install then
[12:28] <BUGabundo> wishbug?
[12:29] <Hew> BUGabundo: Apport is hard enough to use for us, it's no surprise new reporters just switch off when they hear the word "backtrace"
[12:29] <BUGabundo> ehh
[12:29] <BUGabundo> I do most times
[12:29] <BUGabundo> if it can be run on gdb fine
[12:29] <BUGabundo> if not... I tend to let it go
[12:29] <BUGabundo> but since this bug is highly critical for me
[12:30] <BUGabundo> I want to get it fixed ASAP
[12:30] <Hew> BUGabundo: Yes, now that it has a good trace, hopefully some progress can be made!
[12:31] <BUGabundo> hew can bug 279820 be set to NEW or Confirmed?
[12:32] <Hew> BUGabundo: Once the attachment is there, it's confirmed at the very least due to the large number of dupes / comments / subscribers.
[12:33] <BUGabundo> I've posted the trace to my own bug
[12:33] <BUGabundo> that's duped to it
[12:33] <BUGabundo> should I copy it there too?
[12:33] <seb128> yes do copy it on the non duplicate bug
[12:35] <BUGabundo> done
[12:35] <BUGabundo> master now has it all
[12:41] <Hew> BUGabundo: It's normally best to put it in a single attachment, rather than a large comment.
[12:42] <BUGabundo> hew
[12:42] <BUGabundo> I got it.... when I saw th ....
[12:45] <mvo> BUGabundo: re bug #279820> is this crash reproducable? if so, how?
[12:45] <mvo> BUGabundo: thanks for the backtrace btw, that looks pretty good
[12:47] <Mewcenary> Can someone please comment if I'm doing the right thing here please?
[12:47] <Mewcenary> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/siege/+bug/347872
[12:56] <Hew> Mewcenary: Sounds like you have more of an idea what the problem is than I do. In Progress is probably fine, as long as your intention is to fix the bug in Ubuntu. If you are getting it fixed in Debian, it would be a good idea to add an affects line for the Debian bug report as well. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status if you're wondering about status.
[12:58] <mvo> BUGabundo: also, is this crash happening with compiz 0.8.2  ?
[13:00] <Mewcenary> Hew: Yes, I'll sort it in Ubuntu also.  I've just raised a bug report in Debian so pending the # so I can link the two up.
[13:01] <Hew> Mewcenary: Excellent, thanks for your help!
[13:02] <Mewcenary> No problem :) To be honest, the software seems very buggy and has reported segfaults in multiple areas of its code...
[13:04] <Hew> Mewcenary: I'm not familiar with siege, but that definitely doesn't sound good, especially for software in main. The more bugs fixed, the better! :-)
[13:05] <mvo> BUGabundo: furthermore, did you do any changes in the svg plugin with ccsm
[13:06] <Hew> mvo: In case BUGabundo doesn't respond, he is a Jaunty tester, so I would expect he reproduced the problem with 0.8.2.
[13:08] <seb128> mvo: he sent https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/347869
[13:08] <seb128> mvo: using 0.8.2-0ubuntu5
[13:09] <seb128> mvo: the bug has the gconfcompiz info etc
[13:11] <Hew> Mewcenary: Are you familiar with linking external reports with the "Also affects project/distribution" feature?
[13:28] <Hew> Mewcenary: I have linked the Debian bug report to the Launchpad one. Note that you can do this with the "Also affects distribution" option in future.
[14:04] <BUGabundo> mvo is here yet?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> hew back from launch!
[14:17] <seb128> BUGabundo: he's coming back in a minute or so
[14:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:18] <BUGabundo> any KDE devs here?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> bug 311521 needs some love! fixed upstream!
[14:19] <BUGabundo> hey mvo
[14:19] <mvo> hey BUGabundo
[14:19] <BUGabundo> I'm here now! back from lunch
[14:19] <mvo> cool
[14:19] <BUGabundo> what do you need?
[14:19] <BUGabundo> sorry for leaving you hanging
[14:19] <mvo> BUGabundo I'm curious if you changed any settings in the svg plugin
[14:20] <mvo> and if you can reproduce the problem or if its happening at random
[14:20] <BUGabundo> I don't think I did
[14:20] <BUGabundo> but this in an old install
[14:20] <BUGabundo> from back ibex beta
[14:20] <BUGabundo> its pretty random
[14:20] <BUGabundo> I always get a fail decolorations on login
[14:21] <BUGabundo> reload and that gets fixed
[14:21] <BUGabundo> then using it , I get loss of colorarions several times a day
[14:21] <BUGabundo> especially if some app (like nautilus) hangs for a few secs
[14:22] <BUGabundo> one of todays crashes happen by just closing nautilus
[14:22] <mvo> could you attach a gconf dump of the settings to the bugreport please?
[14:22] <seb128> mvo: did you read my comment before? the bug BUGabundo opened which is a duplicate has the gconf configuration dump from apport
[14:22] <BUGabundo> how can I do that?
[14:22] <mvo> seb128, oh, great
[14:22] <seb128> mvo: bug #347869
[14:22] <mvo> BUGabundo, sorry, it seems to be already there
[14:23] <BUGabundo> yeah inicially I just sub to the master
[14:23] <bddebian> Boo
[14:23] <BUGabundo> but then since I needed the trace, I opened a new one
[14:23] <BUGabundo> bddebian: too late
[14:23] <BUGabundo> already did my Foo today
[14:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:23] <bddebian> Doh
[14:23] <BUGabundo> see the log
[14:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:24] <mvo> BUGabundo, I have everything I need I think, sorry for the noise
[14:24] <BUGabundo> np
[14:25] <BUGabundo> here to help, find, file, triage all the bugs I can
[14:26] <mvo> BUGabundo, hm, maybe one more thing, could you check with ccsm and go to "preferences"  and tell me what "backend" is selected?
[14:27] <mvo> (open ccsm)
[14:28] <BUGabundo> mvo none
[14:28] <BUGabundo> not one of the 3
[14:28] <BUGabundo> I think I used iconfusion to enable it
[14:29] <BUGabundo> bah
[14:29] <BUGabundo> nevermind
[14:29] <BUGabundo> backend: gconf
[14:29] <BUGabundo> confused with Apperances
[14:29] <BUGabundo> mvo: ^^^^^^
[14:31] <mvo> BUGabundo, ok, thanks
[15:45] <BUGabundo>  3076   0.08s   0.92s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  48% Xorg
[15:45] <BUGabundo> is this common?
[15:45] <BUGabundo> X taking 50% CPU?
[15:56] <seb128> BUGabundo: if you do play a video using x11 and not xv for example yes
[15:56] <seb128> or use flash
[15:56] <BUGabundo> seb128: no video app open
[15:56] <BUGabundo> or flash
[15:56] <seb128> ok so no
[15:57] <BUGabundo> I think it was Update Manager
[15:57] <seb128> could be something else doing lot of xorg calls
[15:57] <BUGabundo> once it stop fetching updates, X calmed down
[16:03] <seb128> could be the download bar animation or something
[16:03] <seb128> that would be weird though
[16:04] <BUGabundo> it was on the backgound
[16:04] <BUGabundo> 1st I noticed this
[16:59] <pregier> I've asked this before, but is there anyone here who can verify whether or not http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/JumpingBox/example1.html can be REloaded in Firefox using sun-java6-plugin without having to clear the classloader cache between reloads?
[16:59] <pregier> under hardy, sorry
[16:59] <pregier> very important -- works fine in intrepid even for me
[19:10] <YoBoY> hi
[19:22] <dominiks> YoBoY: hey
[19:22] <YoBoY> :)
[20:39] <alanbell> hi all, I am interested in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak/+bug/319380
[20:39] <alanbell> the status is Fix released, but it isn't in todays Jaunty build
[20:39] <alanbell> and I am not sure where to look to see the fix to test it
[20:40] <alanbell> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[21:17] <YoBoY> bug 247838 , bug 243489 , bug 347946 they surely have the same origin, i don't know if we can mark 2 of them as duplicates. For me the importance is Medium or High
[21:46] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: are you there?
[21:46] <dtchen> varyingly
[21:46] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: lol, may i PM you?
[21:46] <dtchen> sure, but note that i'm in the middle of a call currently
[23:24] <kees> bdmurray: do you remember which group should be added to a crash report for it to get retracing?  I have bug with only the security team, but it has "apport-crash need-amd64-retrace amd64" tags
[23:25] <bdmurray> kees: the retracer itself - apport
[23:27] <kees> there's a user for it?
[23:27] <bdmurray> yeah, that's the service that does the retracing
[23:27] <kees> oh, so there is.
[23:48] <kees> bdmurray: it seems to me like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash should contain information about how to enable apport.  that's by far the simplest way to get crash details out of a bug reporter.
[23:49] <kees> i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How%20to%20enable%20apport
[23:52] <seb128> kees: usually crash bugs not sent using apport are closed using
[23:53] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[23:53] <seb128> the stock reply #8 there
[23:53] <kees> seb128: cool.  that reply might want to use the URL above for additional help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#How%20to%20enable%20apport
[23:53] <seb128> but right the other page could hint about using apport too
[23:54] <seb128> right, good idea too


[09:06] <JamesT1995> Hey guys, I need help. I used to own a couple od the original Ubuntu CDs that used to be shipped by ShipIt, but unfortunately I lost them while moving. Is there any chance to obtain them again (including old releases)? I know that ShipIt has been canceled :-(
[13:19] <lmt-matanda> hello
[18:07] <Kilos> night all


[20:57] <newz2000> hey mhall119, I was downloading Ubuntu today and I noticed that the first 3 out of 3 times it gave me a UK mirror instead of a US mirror.
[20:58] <newz2000> This happened before when we were having geoip probs on the server. I know it was fixed last fall at one point.
[20:59] <newz2000> I was able to double my download speed by manually finding a US based mirror and using it.
[20:59] <newz2000> I was on the normal Ubuntu desktop download page.
[21:01] <newz2000> When I go to geoiptool.com it shows my location perfectly.
[21:02] <newz2000> I should file a bug, actually
[21:04] <newz2000> huh, the bug already exists and the last time it was assigned, it was assigned to me. :-)
[21:05] <newz2000> (but that assignment got removed when I left Canonical, so now it's unassigned)
[21:05] <newz2000> so mhall119, maybe when you have a moment, mention bug #871189 is still lingering around.
[21:06] <jose> newz2000: thanks for re-reporting!
[21:08] <newz2000> np. Just added a comment to that bug.


[05:30] <stormmore> hmmm that is odd, for some reason the flannel charm wont let me add a relation to kubernetes-worker charm :-/
[07:10] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[07:43] <stormmore> *sigh* I forget to setup an ssh key for my user before deploying the kubernetes bundle :-/
[08:00] <stormmore> I am guessing my only option is destroy and recreate, anyone still awake who might know of another option?
[08:37] <aisrael> stormmore, sorry, I don't have scrollback atm. What's the issue?
[08:38] <Budgie^Smore> I forgot to add an ssh key when I deployed the kubernetes bundle so couldn't scp anything from the master node
[08:38]  * Budgie^Smore was being a dumb-a**
[08:39]  * Budgie^Smore is stormmore on his "other" computer
[08:40] <aisrael> Budgie^Smore, stormmore, Ahh, sorry. I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on k8's enough to help with that. :(
[08:41] <Budgie^Smore> the kubernetes part is a red herring in this instance, to simplify I couldn't use juju scp or juju ssh to access juju managed systems
[08:42] <Budgie^Smore> not a huge deal, decided to destroy the model and rebuild it tomorrow
[08:43] <Budgie^Smore> I did come across what might be a bug after that... decided to create another user in juju, then deleted it cause I couldn't figure out how to add a display name, then it wouldn't let me readd the same user even though it wasn't listed
[08:43] <Budgie^Smore> maybe I was being impatient?
[08:44] <Budgie^Smore> the user wasn't list in juju users
[08:46]  * Budgie^Smore does some weird things when he is learning new toys
[09:01] <deanman> morning
[09:12] <Zic> "SaMnCo | and, last but not  least, I'm trying to get good low level sysadmin feedback on Juju usage to document"
[09:13] <Zic> ping back SaMnCo, glad to help if you need my review :)
[09:13] <Zic> (cc jcastro also, same answer :D)
[09:14] <Budgie^Smore> care to definte "low level sysadmin"?
[09:24] <Zic> Budgie^Smore: I take it like "core level", like C is a low-level language, but maybe I'm mistaken
[09:25] <Budgie^Smore> so someone who handles the infrastructure then is what I would think as low level sysadmin
[09:55] <SaMnCo> Zic:  Budgie^Smore right what I want to capture is from your views on how Juju represents the world. Vs your view of it
[09:55] <SaMnCo> So not the charms themselves but the tool
[09:55] <SaMnCo> Core is probably better wording
[09:56] <Budgie^Smore> The one big thing I love about juju is it's GUI as it is a great way to visible show PHBs the "world"
[09:57] <SaMnCo> As well as the key questions you asked yourself when you started
[09:57] <SaMnCo> And eventually struggled to answer
[09:57] <SaMnCo> Or find answers for
[09:58] <Budgie^Smore> I will be honest and say the only reason I came across Juju was cause I was looking for tools to manage machines from a powered off state and found MaaS
[10:09] <Budgie^Smore> OK I will see you guys in a few hours, need to get some zee
[10:11] <junaidali> Hi blahdeblah : the openstack-base bundle has ntp charm without ntpmaster. The auto_peers is also not set. Will we be good with clock sync when the internet is disconnected?
[10:25] <Zic> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23868491/ is it normal from etcd?
[10:26] <Zic> all is working actually, but I show this by hasard
[10:29] <Zic> lazyPower: also, normally there is a "etcd-4" but I don't see it :(
[10:36] <Spaulding> hello juju world!
[11:23] <junaidali> Hi Spaulding
[12:34] <rick_h> stormmore: you can add SSH keys to juju with juju add-ssh-key. Now, I don't think that will retro add to previous units but using add-unit should get you new ones with the key there.
[13:53] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi_: Hows it going with Discourse charm ?
[15:02] <lazyPower> Zic yeah, the component status does'nt use teh TLS certificate to verify
[15:02] <lazyPower> Zic i've only ever gotten etcd to display properly in component status when its non tls secured
[16:11] <ryebot> Anyone else hitting 502 errors trying to `charm attach`?
[16:14] <rick_h> uiteam ^
[16:22] <lazyPower> ryebot - its been ages since i've encountered that
[16:22] <lazyPower> whats the size of your upload?
[16:25] <ryebot> lazyPower: 9.2MB
[18:05] <lazyPower> ryebot that seems unusually small to be throwin 502's
[18:05] <lazyPower> ryebot it might have been temporary load against the charm store, is it still throwing errors at you?
[18:05] <ryebot> let me try again
[18:05] <lazyPower> i've seen that 502 with like, 1GB attempted uploads
[18:05] <lazyPower> it simply times out during transfer
[18:06] <ryebot> nope, still fails :|
[18:06] <lazyPower> but if you hit it during a deployment, or under extreme load, you'll also see that
[18:06]  * lazyPower weeps silently
[18:06] <ryebot> I must be doing something stupid
[18:06] <lazyPower> jrwren imma poke you with some <3 to see if you can poke the right pplz about a 502 issue on upload? the last time we hit this it was a prodstack deployment underway
[18:08] <jrwren> you can try.
[18:09] <lazyPower> oooo
[18:09] <lazyPower> you wanna go jrwren? :D want some of this hot 502 error action? :D
[18:09] <lazyPower> sorry i've had too much coffee this morning
[18:19] <stormmore> howdy juju world
[18:20] <stormmore> thanks rick_h I figured as much, it would be nice to be able to add keys retroactively though since it would allow to add / update keys for users
[18:21] <stormmore> for instance, in my last job we had to "rotate" our ssh keys every 90 - 180 days (depending on access type)
[18:21] <rick_h> Yea...Thinking. as long as you have the old key you can update/add the new one
[18:22] <rick_h> Juju run ... Across machine's I guess.
[18:22] <rick_h> It's something that'd be great.to support better
[18:26] <stormmore> admittedly if I am going to use ssh for much going forward I really want to use client certs instead of keys
[20:40] <stormmore> so I just created a new superuser account on my controller, switched to it, add a credential and set default cred and region but when I run juju add-model <model name> it keeps saying that I didn't provide a credential. is that expected?
[20:41] <lazyPower> stormmore - yep, you have to set the default credential if you want a default credential.
[20:41] <stormmore> lazyPower I did run juju set-default-credential
[20:41] <lazyPower> oooo
[20:41] <lazyPower> i missed that, osrry
[20:42] <lazyPower> that seems wrong indeed
[20:42] <lazyPower> well this bit of our docs seems oddly specific to that behavior
[20:42] <lazyPower> Setting a default credential means this will be used by the bootstrap command when creating a controller, without having to specify it with the --credential option.
[20:43] <stormmore> no worries, I am wondering if there is a default cred that is separate for models vs controllers
[20:44] <lazyPower> stormmore - did you juju set-default-credential "credential-name" "username" ?
[20:44] <lazyPower> or for the cloud rather
[20:44] <lazyPower> juju set-default-credential aws carol -- is the example from the doc
[20:45] <stormmore> yeah so I set the default credential for aws
[20:45] <lazyPower> yeah iw ould have expected that to set it for every request unless overridden with --credential
[20:46] <lazyPower> i too pass --credential on a hosted controller i've been using for the past month and haven't been bothered with looking into why thats the case. On my next deploy i'll try to replicate a successful configuration where it doesn't require the --credential. I'm fairly certain we support this
[20:46] <stormmore> it seems odd when the "admin" user doesn't require it
[20:47] <stormmore> that is why I am thinking I did something wrong
[20:47] <lazyPower> yeah, i'm mostly certain its a local config thing that you can run a command to set it like a context and it "just works"
[20:53] <stormmore> it is gets even weirder, I just noticed when I added a "test" model using the admin account that it wasn't using the default credential I set so I deleted the model, deleted the cred and readded the model and it used the "deleted" cred! http://paste.ubuntu.com/23871129/
[20:54] <lazyPower> stormmore yeah, thats definitely bug worthy. Would you mind capturing the steps you outlined in a bug so we can reproduce and get some engineering eyes directed at that?
[20:55] <stormmore> of course I wouldn't mind :) just don't like to file "bugs" that aren't bug worthy ;-) hence check here first
[20:58] <stormmore> I am finally having to register for a Ubuntu One account! Woot!
[20:59] <lazyPower> #nailed-it-aced-it-cant-be-stopped
[20:59] <lazyPower> look @ you go stormmore :)
[20:59] <stormmore> lol
[21:03] <stormmore> I am guessing we should consider this a security vunerability (or at least the potential to be one) since it about credentials too
[21:03] <lazyPower> I think thats a reasonable classification
[21:15] <stormmore> filed
[21:18] <lazyPower> Thanks stormmore
[21:24] <stormmore> I am debating whether I should also file one for the fact that switching to a non-"admin" user doesn't seem to use the default credential too
[21:38] <rick_h> stormmore: there's an existing bug around that being an option
[21:38] <rick_h> stormmore: typically a different user doesn't mean the admin wants to be on the hook for expenses
[21:38] <rick_h> stormmore: but there are cases where that's legit.
[21:39] <stormmore> rick_h: i get that but the non-"admin" user account I created was given the same level of access - superuser - so my assumption is that it should work the same way as the "admin" user account
[21:40] <rick_h> stormmore: I'm not sure I agree there. Trusting someone with your running bits is different than your credit card
[21:40] <rick_h> stormmore: but I understand. As I said, there's an existing bug for the admin to make that an option
[21:40] <jrwren> uiteam: for review, a util I just ran on jujugui.org https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/704
[21:41] <stormmore> rick_h I agree, however I am kinda modeling it after the Linux security model of no one logging in as root, so maybe a juju sudo type command would be a good option
[21:43] <rick_h> stormmore: hmm, I tend to look at Juju more like a database server or the like.
[21:43] <rick_h> stormmore: I may trust you to help add databases/etc but am not going to give you root on the machine so you can do other things with it
[21:46] <stormmore> rick_h ah that kinda makes sense but the problem I am having is creating the "db" (model)
[21:46] <stormmore> rick_h seems odd that I can set a default credential for the user but still have to provide that credential using --credential when I am running commands like add-model
[21:47] <rick_h> stormmore: oh I'm +1 on making it better for the users there like that. I'm just -1 on auto leveraging the admin's credentials in any way
[21:48] <stormmore> rick_h I am definitely not suggesting sharing credentials across accounts just if you set add and set a default credential in any account it should behave the same way
[21:59] <stormmore> now I am having problems adding ssh keys :-/
[22:00] <stormmore> keeps giving me invalid key!
[22:04] <stormmore> oh you hcae to cat out the key instead of it reading the file.
[22:04] <stormmore> have*
[22:19] <Teranet> ok everyone I do have a little issue ........  how do you grab in JUJU a trunk interface and get those multpile VLAN's mapped into charms proper ? Any docu or help is welcome thank you
[22:47] <marcoceppi_> Teranet: it sounds like you want extra-bindings
[23:01] <Teranet> sorta yes
[23:02] <Teranet> so far I had eth0 also bridged but now I want to add eth1 as an additional bridge and with VLAN's


[03:10] <Colombo> hi all, I got some wallpapers, then I tried to swith the "xfce or xubuntu session" there and back, now the wallpapers are gone.
[03:10] <Colombo> can someone tell me what are the stock xubuntu wallpapers? Some of them were quite nice.
[03:10] <Colombo> all I get now is the standard xfce ones.
[04:22] <arraybolt3> Colombo: Did you uninstall any packages in order to switch to the xfce ones?
[04:22] <arraybolt3> You might try "sudo apt install xubuntu-wallpapers".
[04:32] <Colombo> arraybolt3 no, literally noticed "xfce session" and "xubuntu session" on the login screen, switched it, switched it back and its gone.
[04:32] <Colombo> Turns out those were gnome wallpapers.
[04:32] <Colombo> ah bullshit, no, sorry
[04:33] <arraybolt3> And the wallpapers aren't available in the wallpaper switcher or whatever?
[04:33] <Colombo> Had to run "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri" and it was in "xfce4/backdrops"
[04:34] <Colombo> The wallpaper switcher defaults NOW tow /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce. Before I toggled the xfce/xubuntu session, it defaulted to /usr/share/xfce/backdrops
[05:22] <patrickpat> all from a zip file?
[05:22] <arraybolt3> patrickpat: ?
[05:22] <patrickpat> how do i install from a zip file
[05:22] <arraybolt3> Depends entirely on the software you're installing.
[05:23] <patrickpat> i have a wifi adapter i need to install but i just get a folder full of stuff
[05:23] <patrickpat> i am new
[05:23] <arraybolt3> Ah. What is the WiFi adapter, and where did you get the zip file from?
[05:24] <patrickpat> cudy their website but the how to from them is not good lol
[05:24] <arraybolt3> Can you provide a link so that I make sure I'm looking at the right site?
[05:24] <patrickpat> yes
[05:24] <patrickpat> https://newwezhanoss.oss-cn-hangzhou.aliyuncs.com//contents/sitefiles2019/10096568/files/407540..pdf?Expires=1668403061&OSSAccessKeyId=LTAIekGM1705vEQp&Signature=RGhLuHCUZOEhz0%2FD%2BB%2FPf2ot5po%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3DRTL8821CU%2520linux%2520Installation%2520guide.pdf&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&x-oss-traffic-limit=83886080
[05:24] <arraybolt3> (Also, yes, WiFi installation instructions are generally *horrible*, but they make sense to people who know what they're looking at, so hopefully I can translate it into something more legible.)
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Oh yikes. OK, one moment...
[05:25] <arraybolt3> (That link kinda scares me so I'm going to open it in a virtual machine, so bear with me while I boot it.)
[05:32] <arraybolt3> (It looks like the first link was to something that was automatically generated for you, and doesn't load for me anymore.)
[05:32] <patrickpat> https://www.cudytech.com/wu650_software_download
[05:33] <arraybolt3> Thanks, that one worked.
[05:35] <arraybolt3> OK, I'm doing some research.
[05:37] <arraybolt3> patrickpat: Alright, I think I get it. Do you have a terminal window open?
[05:38] <patrickpat> yes
[05:39] <arraybolt3> OK, so basically the way this works is that you have the source code for the driver. We build the source code, then install it. In order to build it, we need the necessary build tools, and those can be installed with "sudo apt install build-essential". So run "sudo apt install build-essential" to begin with.
[05:42] <patrickpat> ok i did that
[05:44] <arraybolt3> OK, have you already unzipped the driver?
[05:45] <patrickpat> its now a folder full of stuff i cannot understand lol
[05:47] <patrickpat> but yes its unzipped
[05:47] <arraybolt3> OK, according to the instructions, the next command to run is "sudo make".
[05:47] <patrickpat> ok
[05:48] <arraybolt3> That command will probably spit out a ton of junk - if you don't see anything about failure or anything like that, you should be good.
[05:48] <patrickpat> sudo apt install build-essential
[05:48] <patrickpat> ignore that lmao
[05:48] <patrickpat>  No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:49] <patrickpat> thats what i get
[05:49] <arraybolt3> Oh, right. Use "cd" to enter the folder first.
[05:49] <arraybolt3> cd <foldernamehere>
[05:50] <arraybolt3> "cd rtl8821cu_linux" should do it, but if the folder made isn't named "rtl8821cu_linux" then use the actual folder name instead.
[05:50] <arraybolt3> *Then* do "sudo make".
[05:50] <arraybolt3> (Sorry about that.)
[05:52] <patrickpat>  <rtl8821cu_linux>
[05:52] <patrickpat>  sudo make
[05:52] <arraybolt3> Uh, don't put the <> around the foldername, that was just to indicate that it was a placeholder.
[05:52] <arraybolt3> patrickpat: ^
[05:53] <patrickpat> no such file or directory
[05:54] <arraybolt3> patrickpat: Right. Just do "cd rtl8821cu_linux".
[05:55] <patrickpat> i just get >
[11:14] <jim__> =fire fox browser bar half covered.
[18:59] <Colombo> Hi all, it looks like the screensarver settings is not respected and I get screensaver even when in fullscreen. Anyone knows how to diagnose it and fix it?


[04:21] <mup> Bug #1741216 changed: Instance launch failed with error 'No valid host was found' , getting 'Unable to refresh my resource provider record' error continuously on all computes <juju:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741216>
[09:31] <mup> Bug #1758860 opened: RemovedInDjango20Warning: Direct assignment to the forward side of a many-to-many set is deprecated due to the implicit save() that happens. Use tags.set() instead <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758860>
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1758860 changed: RemovedInDjango20Warning: Direct assignment to the forward side of a many-to-many set is deprecated due to the implicit save() that happens. Use tags.set() instead <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758860>
[09:55] <mup> Bug #1758860 opened: RemovedInDjango20Warning: Direct assignment to the forward side of a many-to-many set is deprecated due to the implicit save() that happens. Use tags.set() instead <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758860>
[15:05] <mup> Bug #1758919 opened: static routes get lost when lxd container being deployed [MAAS environment] <4010> <cpe-onsite> <juju:Invalid> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758919>
[15:11] <mup> Bug #1758919 opened: static routes get lost when lxd container being deployed [MAAS environment] <4010> <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758919>
[15:14] <mup> Bug #1758919 changed: Static routes are not per-interface, which breaks some deployments <4010> <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758919>
[16:23] <mup> Bug #1758965 opened: [2.3.0] sources are being forced into sources.list causing apt update to fail (on premise mirror) <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:Triaged by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758965>
[18:27] <mup> Bug #1758997 opened: MAAS 2.4 Rack controller interfaces don't have a subnet associated with them <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758997>
[18:33] <mup> Bug #1758997 changed: MAAS 2.4 Rack controller interfaces don't have a subnet associated with them <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758997>
[18:36] <mup> Bug #1758997 opened: MAAS 2.4 Rack controller interfaces don't have a subnet associated with them <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758997>
[22:24] <mup> Bug #1563365 changed: [2.0a4] maas-region-api bind9 options duplicated in options.inside.maas preventing bind to start <canonical-bootstack> <internal> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563365>
[23:42] <mup> Bug #1759081 opened: Controllers tab is polling image status <performance> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759081>
[23:48] <mup> Bug #1759082 opened: Feature Request: Allow non-admin users to edit network interfaces <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759082>


[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:05]  * bregma is at UDS listening to Jono talk
[13:17]  * bregma is now listening to Mark making his big announcements
[13:32] <bregma> :q!
[13:40] <bregma> it's now official -- Ubuntu will be available on phones, tablets. TVs, and in-car...
[21:06] <khoover> hey, seem to be having a problem with network manager; likes to say i'm connected, act like i'm connected, but nothing can connect.
[21:06] <khoover> requires killing and restarting the process to get the network working aggain
[21:10] <dscassel> khoover: I've had a couple problems with NetworkManager since 11.10, but not that specifically...
[21:29] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: is that related to your static-ip issue?
[21:29] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, doubtful, was acting up even before then. and the network speed's cleared up
[21:30] <khoover> seems like when i put too much through it, the network just decides to give up, or something
[21:53] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: hmm, that sounds like the router needed a reboot then


 My screen froze again. I can't really tell whats going on from the logs, though i do see this like a Million times:
 Mar  5 00:01:29 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000129.828661:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:32 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000132.568246:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:34 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000134.119259:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:36 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000136.567160:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> It's the stdout from kwin_x11 I believe.)
 My screen froze again. I can't really tell whats going on from the logs, though i do see this like a Million times:
 Mar  5 00:01:29 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000129.828661:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 just reboot to solve gor temporary (re @zparihar: My screen froze again. I can't really tell whats going on from the logs, though i do see this like a Million times:
 Mar  5 00:01:29 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000129.828661:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:32 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000132.568246:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:34 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000134.119259:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202
 Mar  5 00:01:36 zubin-HP-Z420-Workstation plasmashell[2114916]: [2114916:2114929:0305/000136.567160:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(985)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -202)
 I pretty much have to
 i just upgraded from 20.04, and in 20.04 I wouldn't need to reboot my system for up to 60 days
 can u share screenshot? i means capture from phone
 basically when I decided to install the kernel update
 I've already rebooted (re @milesdredd: can u share screenshot? i means capture from phone)
 again u have problem?
 actualy what  i did was "ctrl + alt + f2" then I restarted 'sddm'
 yes I have the problem every 2 days.... (re @milesdredd: again u have problem?)
 i don't know what problem is this
 Application Launcher will not open files
 If I search and press enter on a file in the application launcher, nothing happens anymore. If I search up a program, it will run. But no file (pdf, txt, document) will open in a relevant program as it used it. Same goes for KRunner. They do let me open the folder with the file, but it's pretty annoying.
 How to troubleshoot it?
 guys i have finally managed to enable hibernation in my laptop and i am able to start it by using command line, but i wonder if there's a way to create or enable an hibernation button in the KDE interface or maybe a plugin?
 whats the command? (re @Arang: guys i have finally managed to enable hibernation in my laptop and i am able to start it by using command line, but i wonder if there's a way to create or enable an hibernation button in the KDE interface or maybe a plugin?)
 and if u know the command , create a shortcut key ,
 how to change it's theme ??? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a596ac41/file_63928.jpg
 make sure that these are not uncheck : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5b123047/file_63929.jpg
 sudo systemctl hibernate (re @milesdredd: whats the command?)
 it will require sudo so i cant just create a script
 They're checked, results appear when searched. It's the action that follows the click on the result that isn't there.
 E.g. I search 'bear' and docs with bear come up in results like 'how to bear grief.pdf'
 Clicking on this should open it in my pdf reader but nothing happens.
 I can still open the container folder (re @milesdredd: )
[07:37] <yilkork> Hi everyone,
[07:38] <yilkork> https://paste.gnome.org/bdFipzfni
 i want to be able to get that sweet hibernate button in KDE it is supposed to be able to enable it but it isnt, so i wonder if there is something related to policykit or whatever that helps? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/026aa061/file_63930.jpg
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:01] <yilkork> I think this place is completely waste :/ only problem owners write their problems but nobody answer
 you should post a summary of your problem here not just the link (re @IrcsomeBot: <yilkork> I think this place is completely waste :/ only problem owners write their problems but nobody answer)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> @Arang, they posted the complaint, then left
[18:53] <mike_> hello guys
[19:34] <skramer> Is there reason for my laptop screen does only 60 Hz since I upgraded to 22.04? It used to be able to do 120 Hz before. Grahics card is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650.
[19:35] <skramer> The external monitor conected via HDMI still can do 60, 120 and 144 Hz, though.
[19:43] <mmikowski> skramer: You use optimus?
[19:43] <mmikowski> Because if so, I know exactly the reason.
[19:43] <mmikowski> Well, actually, the likely reason.
[19:44] <mmikowski> "Exactly" is too strong a word here.
[19:44] <mmikowski> Please ack and I can share the details.
[19:56] <skramer> mmikowski: I use the proprietary driver
[19:57] <mmikowski> skramer: Yes, but your laptop very likely uses optimus. This means the panel is not actually directly fed by the Nvidia frame buffer.
[19:57] <mmikowski> Instead, the NV driver feeds the Intel framebuffer, which is then fed to your panel.
[19:57] <mmikowski> Now your external panel IS directly connected to the Nvidia framebuffer.
[19:58] <mmikowski> The Nvidia drivers handle multiple refresh rates very well.
[19:58] <skramer> mmikowski: So I should set it GPU into performance mode?
[19:59] <mmikowski> However, the Intel drivers, which are used to feed the panel, have different restrictions.
[19:59] <mmikowski> Specifically on refresh rate support.
[20:00] <mmikowski> I highly recommend you used Intel for power saving, and performance mode for performance. Hybrid mode actually uses more power than either (!)
[20:00] <mmikowski> Performance drivers will do nothing for your panel, however.
[20:00] <mmikowski> It will still use the intel framebuffer.
[20:01] <skramer> mmikowski: But even in Perormance laptop screen offers only 40 and 60 Hz. Up to 20.04 it also offered 120 Hz as well.
[20:01] <mmikowski> In fact, if you visit Nvidia settings, you will see it labeled as a "prime" display and that you have limited capability to change it.
[20:01] <mmikowski> Right, as above.
[20:01] <mmikowski> What is limiting it is the Intel driver, because the NV driver writes to the Intel framebuffer.
[20:01] <mmikowski> So if you see people who buy laptops claiming theirs "has to have a mux", this is why.
[20:02] <mmikowski> With a mux, you can connect your laptop panel directly to the NV card, and bypass the intel bugs.
[20:02] <skramer> It's set to NVIDIA On--demand, the option to choose Intel is greyed out
[20:03] <mmikowski> And get better performance (prime is a bottleneck there too).
[20:03] <mmikowski> So on-demand is not recommended. It can cause significant slowness and issues when connected to an external monitor.
[20:04] <mmikowski> So performance mode is better (and will usually save power), so I definitely recommend doing that no matter what.
[20:05] <mmikowski> But it probably won't fix the refresh rate issue. That comes down to Intel framebuffer issues. Now I have NOT seen this issue on a 120 or 144 Hz display, but I *have* seen it on 160 Hz displays.
[20:06] <skramer> So I will give that a try. Still wonder why I can not choose the Saving mode
[20:07] <mmikowski> The reason is because of how the monitor presents the refresh rate to the system, and how the Intel drivers cannot read "extended" information.
[20:08] <skramer> In worst case, I still might downgradr to the older driver included in 20.04. Just to find out if it makes any difference
[20:08] <mmikowski> So the refresh issue on Intel framebuffers is a known issue for some systems. Unfortunately, work-arounds are fragile and would be very difficult to package for all systems.
[20:09] <mmikowski> Gimme a few secs and I can probably find the Intel bug...
[20:09] <mmikowski> ... from the database ...
[20:09] <skramer> Okay, thank you
[20:10] <mmikowski> skramer: You gotta ask, though, what are you really giving up? Does 60 Hz really bug you that much?
[20:11] <mmikowski> Because rolling back Intel drivers be hard.
[20:11] <mmikowski> NV drivers are much easier, but that won't do the trick - it's on Intel, not NV.
[20:12] <skramer> Yes as they are built into the kernel, right?
[20:13] <mmikowski> Yes. Here's the Intel bug: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/125
[20:13] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Issue 125 in drm/intel "xrandr does not correctly switch display refresh rates, but pretends it did" [Closed]
[20:13] <mmikowski> we're tracking that at Kfocus.
[20:13] <mmikowski> We have one panel that runs at 160 Hz, but because of that bug, it is not available in Prime.
[20:14] <mmikowski> However, for people who want maximum performance, there is a mux available so the card can drive the panel directly.
[20:14] <mmikowski> Then 160 Hz is available. Since people usually want the Mux for max performance in that situation, it works out for most use cases.
[20:15] <mmikowski> However, it looks like in 5.19+, the fix is already in.
[20:16] <mmikowski> *165 Hz.
[20:17] <mmikowski> You might also see if you have a mux. If you do, you can switch that out.
[20:17] <mmikowski> Not sure why Intel is not available, but there it is.
[20:17] <mmikowski> kk, best of luck to you. Back to work here :P
[20:18] <skramer> Thanks again.
[20:29] <mmikowski> skramer: You're welcome!
[20:30] <mmikowski> fwiw, while 5.19 the "fix is in" doesn't mean it's propagated yet; it might never make it to 5.19, or it may already be there (but wasn't, last time I checked).
[20:31] <mmikowski> Finally, that may not be the bug, but my hunch is it is. If you have a mux switch in the BIOS, you could use that to verify that at least it is limited to the Intel FB. It certainly looks like it is.
[20:32] <mmikowski> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/5459
[20:32] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Issue 5459 in drm/intel "High refresh rates broken on eDP display with Optimus" [Closed]
[22:13] <michal> hi all


[03:37]  * tsimonq2 blinks at all the OEM packages being added to the sponsorship report
[03:38] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: 🤣 cron-daemon go brrrrrrrrr
[03:39]  * tsimonq2 removes sponsors from them since fourdollars already ran syncpackage :)
[03:39] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: hah
[03:40]  * tsimonq2 wonders whether the SRU team is particularly apt to review packages synced from a non-Bileto PPA
[03:41] <Eickmeyer> The infra piece that will sunset "tomorrow"?
[03:41] <tsimonq2> That's quite a shame, assuming we still don'
[03:41] <tsimonq2> *don't have virtualized riscv64 builders.
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Even if they're emulated on like, amd64, *something* would be nice.
[03:42] <Eickmeyer> Oh, but that's the infra piece that's coming soon*.
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[03:42] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but don't quote me.
[03:42] <Eickmeyer> I think it needs actual riscv64 hw first.
[03:44] <tsimonq2> That would be cool.
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Especially for symbols and such. I know I could just use a porterbox if I needed to, or emulate it locally, but that's not the point. :)
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> Right. What we've got for riscv64 is just virtual machines anyhow, which isn't ideal, and would get overwhelmed if one opened it up to millions of PPAs.
[03:53] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: Okay. We will move the conversation
[03:54] <liushuyu> And also, https://salsa.debian.org/debian/rust-test-case does not have the up-to-date source
[03:55] <liushuyu> Hmm, it does now
[03:59] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: Yes, I just pushed it. :)
[04:00] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: I'll tag it once it actually hits Debian. In 48 hours the upload will go through, so I'd say give it 72 hours (or less) total and we can sync it.
[04:00] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: Ah, I see
[04:00] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: Thank you!
[04:00] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: No worries!
[04:02] <tsimonq2> FYR, https://ftp-master.debian.org/deferred.html will show that upload shorly.
[04:02] <tsimonq2> *shortly
[04:07] <liushuyu> It's not a very urgent issue though some other autopkgtests do have dependency on it
[04:08] <tsimonq2> Makes sense. In Ubuntu, I'd wait for this upcoming Britney one or the next one.
[04:09] <tsimonq2> lvoytek: python-django-tagging> Please send your fix up to Debian as well. Thanks in advance. :)
[04:19] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: you failed :P
[04:19]  * Eickmeyer drags tsimonq2 back to #ubuntu-release
[04:19] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Also, we should probably get the Calamares settings cleaned up (and ran through source NEW) at some point.
[04:20] <tsimonq2> We're sticking it through the LTS.
[04:20] <tsimonq2> *to it
[04:20] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: For Jammy?
[04:20] <tsimonq2> Nah, 24.04.
[04:20] <tsimonq2> Well, I guess we could clean it up for Mantic.
[04:21] <Eickmeyer> Oh. Well, feel free to remove ubuntustudio for 23.10 and 24.04... we've moved back to Ubiquity (GTK) and will be going forward with ubuntu-desktop-installer if we can ever solidify help with it.
[04:22] <Eickmeyer> (The Calamares settings packages that is)
[04:22] <tsimonq2> See, I'm not quite motivated enough to do an installer switch yet. We have a really good test suite. I'm still holding out hope that we can get things polished for the LTS.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> I was able to get Ubiquity polished so quick it made my head spin. git tags are nice.
[11:10] <paride> @pilot in
[12:14] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[12:15] <tsimonq2> (I'll be in for a while. :) )
[12:38] <tsimonq2> I'm not *100%* comfortable sponsoring bug 2006402 given the existing discussion on the bug.
[12:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2006402 in landscape-client (Ubuntu) "Update focal, jammy to landscape-client 23.02" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006402
[13:14] <tsimonq2> paride: Looks like we're down to bug 1995197 (security, sbeattie), bug 2012644 (security, ebarretto, needs a refreshed diff), and the aforementioned landscape bug. :)
[13:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1995197 in pysha3 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Vulnerable to CVE 2022-37454 (SHA-3 buffer overflow)" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1995197
[13:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2012644 in u-boot-nezha (Ubuntu Lunar) "Add security fixes" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012644
[13:14]  * tsimonq2 dusted off some of the Debian queue too - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sponsorship-requests
[13:15] <paride> tsimonq2, hi, thanks! I'm currently looking at the landscape bug.
[13:15] <tsimonq2> paride: Sweet, looks like that covers our bases. Thank you!
[14:43] <mitchdz> Hi! I'm looking to help out with the glibc merge. Is anyone looking at the mumax3 arm64 autopkgtest regression? If not I'll look into it.
[14:44] <tsimonq2> mitchdz: Hey! We coordinate that in -release. I think that one is clear, go for it!
[14:45] <tsimonq2> mitchdz: If you don't have upload rights, feel free to ping me or p_aride if you get a fix. :)
[14:45] <mitchdz> whoops I thought I was in -release, my bad
[14:59] <dbungert> @pilot in
[15:01] <tsimonq2> dbungert: Welcome to the club. :)
[15:01] <dbungert> heh
[15:02] <schopin> That's a weird plane that has 3 pilots in the cockpit...
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> It's like a Concorde with 3 pilots (yes, the flight engineer was a fully-fledged pilot as well).
[15:08] <tsimonq2> I was going to call the 3rd person the engineer, but that doesn't seem right. :P
[15:17] <paride> heh! I'm ending my shift ~soon
[15:25] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[15:25] <tsimonq2> There, have some breathing room :D
[16:26] <paride> @pilot out
[16:26] <paride> o/
[17:16] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, I'm still looking for a sponsor for my debootstrap patches in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/1990856, if anyone has spare cycles!
[17:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1990856 in debootstrap (Ubuntu Jammy) "Does not consider all versions in Packages files" [Undecided, In Progress]
[17:33] <bdmurray> dbungert: ^^
[17:33] <dbungert> sure, I can look at that next
[18:54] <dbungert> Odd_Bloke: uploaded
[19:01] <dbungert> @pilot out
[19:26] <Odd_Bloke> dbungert: Much appreciated, thank you!!
[23:19] <tsimonq2_mobile> So, we just entered some somewhat unprecedented territory and I'd like an informal DMB vote (or acknowledgement, at the very least). As Release Manager, I take full responsibility.
[23:20] <tsimonq2_mobile> !dmb-ping | through the delegated power granted to ~lubuntu-dev, wxl has been re-added to the team after several years
[23:21] <sarnold> welcome back wxl :)
[23:21] <tsimonq2_mobile> This is very unusual, because usually DMB policy is "oh, if you let it lapse a few months, it's fine". This has been over a year.
[23:21] <tsimonq2_mobile> He's proven himself, but I'm shedding light on it publicly to allow myself to be grilled on his behalf if necessary. :)
[23:24] <bdmurray> well I was going to say something
[23:25] <teward> *shoves tsimonq2_mobile into the pit of lions*
[23:25] <sarnold> kitties!
[23:25] <tsimonq2_mobile> XD
[23:26] <teward> Lubuntu's dev team has delegated access to specific packages and is under the Lubuntu Council purview last I checked.  Hence delegated rights there, at least if I remember right from a DMB perspective
[23:27] <teward> lol sarnold
[23:27] <bdmurray> I seem to recall a recent discussion amongst the DMB about development policies changing a lot recently and I think it would be good if tsimonq2_mobile were to explain how wxl has proven themselves and whether or not they are familiar with current policy.
[23:32] <tsimonq2_mobile> wxl has proven himself recently with a lubuntu-artwork update. He remembered the full Git workflow and how to update the package for a new release (entirely), and presented a diff to review before this happened. He bumped standards-version, an expectation in this case. I ACKed it. In the past, wxl has helped with quite a few packages under the
[23:32] <tsimonq2_mobile> lubuntu packageset, mostly with new code and bash script polishing. As a fair disclaimer, he's been a mentor of mine since I started in the project. That being said, I don't have a problem rejecting diffs if they're wrong, and he hasn't shown that he's forgotten much.
[23:32] <tsimonq2_mobile> I get it, one package update alone may be considered flimsy and I agree. What stands out is the knowledge that kept, and despite asking for a second set of eyes, he got it right.
[23:33] <tsimonq2_mobile> I would certainly agree to responsibility for his uploads in the near future if that is a necessary step to further trust.
[23:36] <tsimonq2_mobile> (My mobile connection is flimsy, I'll be back at irssi soon.)


[00:38] <drbean> What does the lsb in /etc/lsb-release stand for with the information about ubuntu release version?
[00:39] <wxl> Linux Standard Base
[00:39] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
[00:42] <drbean> I had guessed it was Lubuntu Something Blah-blah
[00:43] <wxl> i would say that lubuntu is 90% linux, 8% debian/ubuntu and 2% lubuntu
[00:43] <wxl> maybe that's unfair given all the packaging but, let's face it, vlc is vlc by any other name.
[00:52] <drbean> The wikipedia page: last edited 15 July, 2018
[00:52] <drbean> So interest is maintained, apparently.
[04:06] <drbean> vlc? Not the vlc media player?
[05:44] <drbean> I can't find any lubuntu mirrors in .tw, .jp, or .kr.
[05:47] <drbean> All the lubuntu links in ubuntu mirrors there redirect to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:38] <sultanali> how do i upgrade from lubuntu 17.10 to 18.04 lts
[08:41] <sultanali> anybody home?
[13:44] <pi__> https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/ Makes me wonder why continue this project at all. Why not join Kubuntu?