[00:07] <mighty> hello guys....
[00:08] <RobbyF> hi
[00:08] <mighty> does anyone has a LG E975  ( aka Optimus G ) and if so did anyone compiled ubuntu phoneOS for it ?
[00:12] <mighty> Anyone ?
[00:13] <RobbyF> you check the wiki?
[00:15] <mighty> yes... only the nexus are listed under devices, i know i can compile it for my device ( cm10.1 is supported ) but my computer is very slow... that is the only reason i ask.... otherwise i will compile it...
[00:15] <RobbyF> only the nexus are support from canonical
[00:16] <RobbyF> there are tons of others ported
[00:16] <RobbyF> hmm the page as changed since i've looked last
[00:16] <mighty> ya... but i can't find one for my device
[00:17] <RobbyF> there we go - yup I do'nt see it on the list
[00:17] <RobbyF> odd, it's an awesome phone
[00:17] <RobbyF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[00:19] <mighty> its basically the same hardware as nexus 4....
[00:27] <mighty> well good night ( depending on your country ) :)
[00:27] <mighty> best
[00:34] <mterry> racarr, heyo.  I'm running phablet-team/mir on my nexus4, and it doesn't have qtubuntu in the PPA, but the packages seem to need it?
[00:43] <mterry> racarr, oh, nm.  qtubuntu is in saucy now, but with different binary names
[01:32] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch OS for desktops | http://askubuntu.com/q/317980
[02:48] <mhall119> nik90: your second-hand fix works great on the Nexus 7
[03:00] <asac> veebers: !!
[03:00] <asac> :)
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <popey> is there a trick to running apps on the command line via adb shell?
[08:14] <popey> I seem to find it hit and miss whether running "qmlscene /foo/bar/baz.qml" actually shows anything on screen. what am I doing wrong?
[08:26] <rickspencer3> popey, are you running qmlscene and sometimes it doesn't paint?
[08:26] <rickspencer3> a work around is to resize the window
[08:26] <rickspencer3> if it's bug #1179716
[08:28] <popey> rickspencer3: this is on-device
[08:29] <popey> rickspencer3: so, adb shell, su - phablet, /usr/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml
[08:29] <popey> it starts the app and spits out some console output, but nothing appears on the phone, and eventually the app dies or is killed
[08:30] <rickspencer3> popey could it be bug #1191144 ?
[08:30]  * ogra_ moved the automated image builds 5h earlier .... (starting in 2min now)
[08:31] <popey> rickspencer3: no, i can run the very same app by launching from the dash, but i want to see console output to debug, hence running from CLI.
[08:32] <popey> is there some way to "launch" the .desktop file (like I would with xdg-open on the desktop) on the device perhaps?
[08:32] <popey> I wonder if the fact that I'm launching the qml file directly is the issue, and the rest of the .desktop file is not being taken into account
[08:33] <popey> X-Ubuntu-Touch=true
[08:33] <popey> for example
[08:43] <timppa> Hi, I tried to ask yesterday if anyone has experienced this bug: 1197656
[08:44] <timppa> I still have the problem
[08:44] <popey> \o/ figured it out
[08:44] <popey> /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene /usr/share/music-app/music-app.qml --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/music-app.desktop --stage_hint=main_stage
[08:44] <popey> that lot ☻
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sugar Cookie Day! :-D
[08:48] <ogra_> yummy
[08:48] <popey> a cookie made entirely of sugar?
[08:48] <popey> wow
[08:49] <ogra_> the true brainfood
[08:51] <Hashcode> ogra_ RAZR-HD running phablet on saucy boot :)
[08:51] <ogra_> yay
[08:51] <Hashcode> yep great instructions
[08:51] <ogra_> awesome
[08:52] <Hashcode> any thoughts on how to integrate the initrd file into the build automatically?
[08:52] <Hashcode> I have it in my device/common folder for now w/ a boot.mk script overriding the main boot.img build.
[08:53] <Hashcode> ogra_ like this:
[08:53] <Hashcode> https://github.com/razrqcom-dev-team/android_device_motorola_msm8960-common/commit/a2d90e4c7afddbd610dcea579fb609f5f2005516
[08:54] <Hashcode> And then add this to BoardConfig
[08:54] <Hashcode> https://github.com/razrqcom-dev-team/android_device_motorola_msm8960-common/blob/phablet/BoardConfigCommon.mk#L168
[08:56] <ogra_> Hashcode, rsalveti has a patch i havent tested yet ... that actually pulls the deb from launchpad to use the initrd automatically from there
[08:57] <ogra_> that should be integrated in the deffaults soon
[08:57] <Hashcode> ah nice
[08:57] <Hashcode> That's really the only thing that needs manual patching in the build atm for saucy, it's quite good.
[08:58] <ogra_> yeah, thats the one part we currently do during image build on the cdimage machine, we just didnt push it by default yet because we wanted to do some more testing for ports ...
[08:58] <ogra_> your feedback helped greatly here :)
[08:59] <Hashcode> Fun stuff :)
[08:59] <Hashcode> I hope you don't mind, I'm also play testing a patch for TWRP to support ubuntu touch auto update
[08:59] <Hashcode> http://review.teamw.in/#/c/631/
[09:00] <ogra_> oh, nice !
[09:02] <ogra_> the gpg binary will likely go away and be built from source too (or be pulled from a package)
[09:04] <ogra_> (no idea when though)
[09:04] <tassadar_> ogra_: hi, I can see that /scripts/touch in initrd is prepared to boot from /data/system.img image. Is that some next step for flipped images?
[09:04] <Hashcode> ogra_ yeah it's kind of messy atm.
[09:05] <ogra_> tassadar_, one of the next steps, yeah ... where we can we will re-partition the devices, wheer we cant we will use loop mounted images
[09:05] <ogra_> the loop stuff is the next step, then we'll get to the re-partitioning
[09:06] <ogra_> (and somewhere inbetween click packages and Mir will land, which will change everything )
[09:06] <ogra_> along with the switch to loop we will also go readonly for everything
[09:06] <ogra_> (except /data indeed)
[09:08] <tassadar_> okay, thanks
[09:09] <ogra_> re-partitioning just means growing /system to a usable size btw ... so people can still roll back easily even on the changed partition scheme
[09:10] <tassadar_> not happening on n7 anyway, the bootloader won't allow it I would say
[09:10] <ogra_> yeah, n7 will be our reference device for loop
[09:10] <ogra_> (will have to be :P )
[09:23] <Saviq> tmoenicke, hey, you saw bug #1199150 ?
[09:24] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hi!
[09:24] <oSoMoN> sil2100: hey
[09:30] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hope you don't mind we made some packaging changes to webbrowser-app?
[09:31] <sil2100> oSoMoN: since we had to add a Replaces and Breaks since you split webbrowser-app to 2 packages
[09:31] <oSoMoN> sil2100: sure, no problems
[09:31] <oSoMoN> sil2100: I’m seeing that the CI job has issues with it though
[09:32] <timppa>   555 1001      20   0 36852  23m 2396 S 111.0  1.3  31:16.45 rild :(
[09:34] <sil2100> oSoMoN: uh, right! Seems like a problem because of the mediumtests using a different versioning scheme
[09:34] <sil2100> didrocks: ^ https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-saucy/747/console <- interesting ;/
[09:35] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, you can either force or bump the upstream version then
[09:36] <sil2100> I think I'll do the upstream bump then, it's the cleanest way
[09:38] <user82> can we change the color ourselves later? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5344/9244461138_91a76c7dd1_z.jpg
[10:14] <popey> ogra_: my nexus 4 shows an ubuntu logo in cwm, my nexus 7 shows a circle with a hat on.. will that change if I phablet-flash -b?
[10:14] <popey> I prefer the ubuntu logo of course ☻
[10:14] <ogra_> it should, not sure that has been modified everywhere though
[10:15] <ogra_> the tophat was  in earlier images for sure, i think i havent seen it in a while though
[10:15] <ogra_> i might be wrng though ... and cant test, just noticed my grouper discharged completely  over night
[10:21]  * popey tries
[10:21] <popey> i dont see the app lens scrolling issue you saw
[10:22] <popey> (on grouper)
[10:23] <ogra_> is it populated ?
[10:23] <ogra_> i cant reproduce it here anymore, but still have no pics in music/video and dont see installed apps
[10:24] <popey> video lens had empty tiles
[10:24] <popey> i am re-flashing atm
[10:24] <popey> wish phablet-flash let me specify device ID so i could do both devices at once ☻
[10:24] <ogra_> yeah, i have tiles everywhere, just no pics in them
[10:24] <popey> yay, -b has put an ubuntu logo in the cwm
[10:25] <ogra_> home lens only shows apps
[10:25] <ogra_> great :)
[10:25] <popey> most important thing of course ☻
[10:25] <ogra_> ++
[10:35] <popey> hmm
[10:35] <popey> 20130709 is glitchy
[10:35] <popey> on grouper I keep getting booted out of adb shell
[10:35] <ogra_> yeah
[10:35] <ogra_> oh ?
[10:36] <ogra_> mine is flashing now
[10:36] <ogra_> lets see
[10:36] <popey> yeah, it just disconnects me after a few seconds
[10:36] <popey> also, -b _has_ wiped all my data
[10:37] <timppa> 20130709 and my Nexus 4 rild still consuming 100% CPU :(
[10:37] <timp> popey: weird, it doesn't wipe my /data on maguro
[10:37] <popey> no wireless too
[10:37] <popey> the system-connections is empty
[10:38] <ogra_> timppa, wait for awe to get up later today, i think he can help you best with debugging
[10:38] <timppa> cool, thanks
[10:39]  * popey flashes nexus 4
[10:39] <timppa> this has been a problem for the whole time
[10:39] <ogra_> popey, i didnt use -b and have wlan working, but otherwise it behaves as broken as maguro
[10:39] <popey> getting booted from adb shell is frustrating
[10:39] <timppa> Does phablet-flash re-flash the modem chip on handset also?
[10:39] <ogra_> timppa, define "the whole time" i know it works fine for others
[10:40] <ogra_> no, it only replaces the OS ... doesnt touch any hardware settings
[10:40] <timppa> I've had the nexus for few weeks now, so that's the whole time for me :)
[10:40] <kalikiana> music and video lenses only show empty rectangles after flashing a few minutes ago
[10:40] <ogra_> i know it works for most people without going to 100%
[10:40] <ogra_> kalikiana, yeah, same here
[10:40] <timppa> me too
[10:40] <ogra_> on grouper and maguro for me
[10:41] <timppa>   590 1001      20   0 24828  11m 2396 S 107.3  0.6  12:06.02 rild
[10:41] <timppa> :(
[10:41]  * popey runs screen on the phone to ensure his commands actually have some chance of running to completion
[10:42] <ogra_> popey, no adb issues for me
[10:42] <popey> might be a usb issue
[10:42] <ogra_> flashes and boots fine
[10:42] <ogra_> yeah
[10:42] <popey> dmesg on laptop spammed with arrival and departure of device
[10:43] <popey> but the same cable has been fine for the last day doing flashing
[10:43] <ogra_> ouch
[10:43] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5858033/
[10:43] <ogra_> i dont have the balls to actually plug it over ... the battery still is deep red on mine
[10:44] <popey> heh
[10:44] <ogra_> weird, that looks odd
[10:44]  * popey reboots
[10:45] <popey> apps lens is busted
[10:45] <popey> i installed loads, and see nothing
[10:45] <ogra_> yep
[10:45] <popey> filed a bug?
[10:45] <ogra_> nope not yet
[10:45] <popey> ok, will do now
[10:45] <ogra_> i wanted to actually look at the logs
[10:49] <popey> bug 1199322
[10:49] <ogra_> Unable to assign [undefined] to QUrl
[10:49] <ogra_> lots of that in my logs
[10:50] <ogra_> /home/phablet/.ubuntu-touch-session/logs/unity8.log that is
[10:50] <popey> yeah, i see that
[10:51] <popey> added to bug
[10:52]  * ogra_ confirms the bug
[10:52]  * popey decides not to flash his nexus 4 ☻
[10:52] <ogra_> heh
[11:06] <popey> ogra_: wondering if we should have a thing in the /topic which warns people off a particularly dodgy image
[11:06] <popey> not necessarily 20130709, just in general
[11:07] <ogra_> popey, well, theoretically we should all use /current ... and /current should only be updated to point to the recent image if it passed some automatic QA tests
[11:07] <popey> right
[11:08] <ogra_> but i dont think thats fully in place yet ... and i also doubt it woulld catch issues like unpopulated lenses
[11:10] <tmoenicke> Saviq: i see, will check
[11:26] <tassadar_> ogra_: ubuntu touch fails to initialize surfaceflinger(I guess?) with "D/NvOsDebugPrintf(12121): ****nvrm_init failed****", have you ever encountered that error?
[11:26] <ogra_> looks like the device permissions are not in place
[11:27] <tassadar_> the ones in /usr/lib/lxc-android-config, ah, thanks
[11:28] <ogra_> (though i wouldnt know why, thats clearly on the android side which sshould just work with the CM10.1 settings ... we dont touch anything there yet)
[11:28] <ogra_> no
[11:28] <ogra_> that has nothing to do with the ubuntu side, your error is clearly inside the container
[11:29] <ogra_> (and all device permissions except some subdirs that arent graphis related are handled by udev in ubuntu, long after the container runs)
[11:30] <tassadar_> nvhost-ctrl in android has 0666 permissions, the one in ubuntu is 06000
[11:31] <ogra_> well, if the container failed to start udev will never fire up
[11:31] <ogra_> it waits for the container to return before it starts
[11:32] <ogra_> what device is that ??
[11:32] <ogra_> grouper ?
[11:32] <tassadar_> grouper, but I'm multi-booting, so...that's my problem, just asking because I had no idea what is wrong
[11:32] <ogra_> well, your container doesnt start :)
[11:33] <ogra_> for whatever reason
[11:34] <ogra_> do you see the other android processes in ps ?
[11:34] <ogra_> (servicemanager etc etc)
[11:36] <tassadar_> I think I know what is wrong, gimme a while)
[11:39] <tassadar_> yeah, that was it
[11:39] <tassadar_> whoa, terminal app
[11:39] <ogra_> :)
[11:42] <tassadar_> is there some new "close app" gesture or is it just not possible yet? I can't see the X in the overlay thingy
[11:43] <ogra_> thats long gone :)
[11:43] <ogra_> you need to go to the apps lens, hold your finger on the thumbnail until an X shows up
[11:43] <ogra_> then tap the X
[11:44] <tassadar_> ooh
[11:44]  * ogra_ would like to see the in-app closing come back though
[11:45] <ogra_> the HUD is still in constant flux, so there is hope :)
[11:46] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch the first phones | http://askubuntu.com/q/318123
[11:51] <netcurli> When I open the camera app in todays image on my galaxy nexus and then go into video recording mode, I see no preview and cannot click on the red recording button. When I switch to the front camera though and quickly switch back, I can see the preview and can record a video.
[11:51] <netcurli> Does anyone else have the same issue?
[11:52] <ogra_> netcurli, yup, i see the same
[11:53] <ogra_> oh, wow, how do i stop a running app without thumbnails in the app lens :P
[11:54]  * ogra_ really wonders how that unity8  package could sneak through the tests
[11:54] <netcurli> where should I file a bug for the camera problems? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app ?
[11:54] <ogra_> yeah
[11:56] <ogra_> Saviq, bug 1199322 in case you havent seen it ... todays image is largely borked
[11:56] <Saviq> ogra_, already in MP
[11:56] <ogra_> ah, sweet, you are to fast :)
[11:58] <Saviq> ogra_, once it merges I'd like to make a release and it'd be good if we spun an image
[11:58] <ogra_> yeah
[11:58] <ogra_> seems the re-scheduling of the image builds actually pays off on the first day, yay :)
[11:59] <asac>  o/
[12:04] <popey> hello awafaa
[12:04] <popey> ogra_: yeah, i tend to flash my phone/tablet first thing UK time so keen for it to be as early as poss ☻
[12:04] <asac> phablet-test-run ... any idea why i get
[12:04] <asac> ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
[12:04] <asac> ?
[12:05] <asac> i assume i have to install ssh?
[12:05] <popey> phablet-network-setup -i  should do that for you
[12:06] <asac> popey: that installs ssh?
[12:06] <popey> yes
[12:06] <asac> i have wifi working if thats what it means
[12:06] <asac> kk
[12:06] <popey> it copies your wifi config over and then installs ssh
[12:06] <netcurli> bug 1199343
[12:06] <asac> right. but my wifi config is fine ... does it do anything else? like installing magic ssh?
[12:07] <asac> ssh keys
[12:07] <popey> asac: no, but it does restrict ports
[12:07] <popey> so people can't ssh into your phone on public wifi ☻
[12:07] <popey> with a well known user/pass
[12:07] <Notex> Hello.
[12:09] <asac> popey: hmm. seems my laptop cannot ping the phone ip ... does it mean i am screwed?
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: my 3gup command doesn't seem to be working anymore did something change in the process for 3g. I get Error: Connection activation failed: The connection was not supported by oFono.
[12:10] <popey> asac: interesting, is the network up on the device?
[12:11] <asac> popey: sure... i have no SIM in it ... and i can use the browser
[12:11] <popey> if you adb shell and "nmcli c" does it show as up?
[12:11] <popey> odd, dunno why it would block pings, i can ping my nexus 7
[12:11] <asac> i am on a managed network and seems i am on a different subnet with my laptop... might also be the reason
[12:11] <popey> heh
[12:11] <popey> that'd do it
[12:12] <asac> so guess i am screwed
[12:12] <asac> thats awful
[12:12] <popey> can't you plug a cable in?
[12:12] <asac> popey: i have a usb cable connected and can use adb if thats what you mean
[12:13] <asac> can the phone get an ip from my laptop through usb?
[12:13] <asac> like tethering?
[12:13] <popey> when you run "phablet-network-setup -i" it details at the end how to setup that kinda of connection...
[12:13] <popey> i think it echos a few lines
[12:13] <asac> ok let me try then
[12:14] <awafaa> cooey popey
[12:14] <popey> ☻
[12:14] <asac> why do we need ssh and not use adb plain?
[12:14] <popey> for scp
[12:14] <popey> adb can't recursively copy files AIUI, scp can
[12:15] <asac> kk
[12:16] <popey> davmor2: does "nmcli d" show the network and ril device?
[12:17]  * popey hugs vnstat for tracking 3g usage on his phone
[12:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5858238/
[12:18]  * popey knows that's wlan0 ☻
[12:20] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnmBs47Xmek  love that!
[12:20] <popey> exactly how I'd want a lock screen
[12:21] <timppa> That is a nice one yes
[12:22] <asac> popey: nice ... adb forward is exactly what i was looking for...
[12:22] <popey> great
[12:23]  * asac  runs the nice unit8 autopilot tests ... and watches nice stuff happening on screen
[12:32] <asac> popey: do you know out of your heads which of the apps that have autopilot packages are community vs. canonical developed?
[12:32] <asac> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5858264/
[12:32] <popey> the ones at the bottom starting ubuntu-*
[12:33] <popey> those are community apps, but canonical people contribute too ☻
[12:33] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps lists all the mostly community maintained ones
[12:35] <asac> popey: maybe like http://pad.ubuntu.com/jlIeQVyP8X ?
[12:36] <asac> popey: yeah... was told we dont run community apps on our infrastructure before implementing some isolation etc... so wanted to check what i can give QA team to run on our images
[12:36] <popey> well, those ap test packages contain community maintained stuff too
[12:37] <asac> popey: which ones?
[12:37] <davmor2> popey: hmmm okay this is odd, /ril_0 gsm connected
[12:38] <davmor2> popey: does it do it automagically now or something?
[12:38] <asac> popey: i think its fine as long as "we" claim to develop those primarily from our resources... contributions are normal and wanted... doubt that can be a blocker
[12:38] <davmor2> popey: or is that just the telephone part?
[12:39] <popey> asac: i don't know exactly without going through the merge requests
[12:39] <popey> but I've certainly seen some from community contributors, plenty
[12:40] <popey> we actively encourage it
[12:40] <popey> we could of course gate these contributions before landing
[12:41] <asac> popey: if it goes through merge review its fine... also if there are single outstanding, trusted contributors that have merge powers its also pretty fine
[12:42] <popey> sure
[12:42] <asac> ubuntu-devs are also fine :)
[12:42] <davmor2> ogra_: have the dailies finished spinning up yet I didn't want to flash my phone till it was safe :)
[12:43] <popey> davmor2: the daily finished hours ago
[12:43] <ogra_> davmor2,  i wont re-spin until a new unity8 is there
[12:43] <ogra_> it is pretty broken, i would wait for the next spin :)
[12:44] <popey> ya
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: I thought the cron job ended about 13:45
[12:44] <ogra_> davmor2, are you subscribed to the ubuntu-phone ML ?
[12:44] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: thanks for the headsup
[12:44] <popey> Read your email :D
[12:44] <davmor2> ogra_: I have no idea
[12:45] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm subscribed to the universe I think :)
[12:45]  * ogra_ makes a note to put davmor on CC in the future when making announcements :P
[12:45]  * popey refrains from adding  "< davmor2> I have no idea" to the /topic
[12:45] <ogra_> lol
[12:45]  * popey hugs davmor2
[12:45] <davmor2> ogra_: I am it seems but I haven't had time to read it yet
[12:46] <ogra_> builds should be done around 9:30 UTC  from today on
[12:46] <davmor2> popey: You smile now but wait till I test for real and your team is left picking up the pieces of what you thought was a phone :P
[12:46] <ogra_> LOL
[12:46] <davmor2> ogra_: I'll read it in a minute
[12:47] <ogra_> i bet you can read it faster than in a munite, it is  not that long :P
[12:47] <ogra_> *minute
[12:47] <davmor2> so popey back to the 3g issue nmcli gives me my wifi connection and 1 gsm /ril_0 that it says is connected
[12:48] <ogra_> sounds good
[12:49] <davmor2> ogra_: I don't know, I still am dyslexic, that's why my workload and email load and wife having to go for a checkup has basically thrown my day out the window :)
[12:50] <ogra_> heh
[12:50] <asac> bzoltan1: hey
[12:50] <asac> bzoltan1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5858304/
[12:50] <asac> do you really need gcc for the UIToolkit tests?
[12:50] <asac> or do you use gcc to determine something rather than compiling?>
[12:55] <popey> davmor2: does "ifconfig" show it's up?
[12:56] <ogra_> stgraber, bug 1199084 ... can you imagine any other partitions we need to cover here (for people whose devices dont have partition names at all)
[12:56] <davmor2> popey: I see lo rmnet0 and wlan0   rmnet has an IP address apparently
[12:56] <popey> yay
[12:57] <popey> all working
[12:57] <ogra_> yeah
[12:57] <popey> you doing this over adb shell?
[12:57] <ogra_> if you want to be 100% sure: route -n | grep ^<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:57] <popey> if so you could bring the wlan0 down and then browse, proving 3g is up
[12:57] <stgraber> ogra_: system and data should be all we need, the rest I extract from Android's fstab which I assume points to the right place on those devicess (that code may need some tweaks though for devices that don't use labels)
[12:58] <ogra_> stgraber, right, well, i want to just add some cmdline parsing, if thats there just use the names defined there
[12:58] <ogra_> at least for data and system
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: indeed I seem to have a connection with the wifi knocked off, but apparently it's not using the setting I've given it for tmobile so I'm not sure where it is getting the connection info from
[13:05] <stgraber> sergiusens: system-image meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[13:43] <cyphermox> anyone aware of issues with some of the android-side apps having trouble getting android properties?
[13:43] <cyphermox> hci_qcomm_init here consistently finds ro.qualcomm.bt.hci_transport unset when it is actually set if I run getprop
[14:02] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: hey, lately when flashing the daily image to my galaxy nexus I’m getting this: "Cannot find /data mountpoint", is that a known issue?
[14:03] <ogra_> did you do a phablet-flash -b ?
[14:03] <ogra_> and did that device run flipped before already
[14:03] <popey> ogra_: it was already flipped
[14:03] <popey> did -b only to get the ubuntu splash ☻
[14:04] <ogra_> :)
[14:07] <oSoMoN> ogra_: nope, is -b needed when switching to flipped?
[14:07] <ogra_> theoretically it shouldnt, practically there might be a bug so i would try -b too
[14:08]  * ogra_ always flashes manually ... i dont have such issues  due to that
[14:11] <mhall119> fginther: ping
[14:12] <mhall119> fginther: what branch is Jenkins using to auto-build the sudokutouchgame package?
[14:12] <fginther> mhall119, one moment
[14:13] <fginther> mhall119, lp:sudokutouchgame
[14:14] <mhall119> ok, they've renamed the project, it looks like it needs to be lp:sudoku-app now
[14:16] <fginther> mhall119, thanks, I'll get it updated
[14:16] <mterry> greyback_, so what's the story then with the mir+unity images?  Is the black screen a known bug that is common or is it just you and me that see it?
[14:17] <greyback_> mterry: something is broken. I only found it this morning on update. I'm trying to get the right Mir people on it
[14:17] <mterry> greyback_, OK, thanks
[14:17] <greyback_> I've no idea what broke, am unable to get a sensical backtrace for the segv
[14:18] <popey> mhall119: is that why the latest version doesn't look like what we have on the device?
[14:18] <mhall119> popey: yup
[14:18] <popey> bah
[14:18] <popey> missed that, sorry.
[14:18] <mhall119> rsalveti: once the new sudoku-app packages are being build by jenkins, we'll need to apply the rename to the touch image seeds: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch-sudoku-rename/+merge/173729
[14:19] <mhall119> popey: nothing we can't fix :)
[14:19] <ogra_> mhall119, i'll take care
[14:19] <mhall119> thanks ogra_
[14:19] <ogra_> i need to watch the arcive anyway for an image re-spin
[14:27] <rsalveti> mhall119: ogra_: cool, thanks
[14:27] <mine070> hey guys, I have one quick queston... I have ported the android layer to my device sucessfully so do I just run phablet-flash -b now?
[14:28] <ogra_> awe_, could you give bug 1197656 some hits for debugging (we should probably have an ofono/rild debugging wikipage with some info what to collect for bugs)
[14:29] <awe_> ogra_, yes...already talked to timppa.  I'm currently working on a reply to the GSM RADIO ON PORTS email, after which I'll take a look
[14:29] <ogra_> cool, thanks
[14:29] <rtg> rsalveti, ogra_, I'm working on bug #1190225 - what are the new runes for flashing grouper kernels ?
[14:29] <ogra_> rtg, flash-touch-kernel /path/to/zImage
[14:30] <rtg> ogra_, k
[14:30] <ogra_> without path it will try to flash /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r)
[14:32] <mine070> anyone?
[14:33] <ogra_> phablet-flash doesnt have support for ports yet
[14:34] <ogra_> you will have to flash your recovery img manually with fastboot ... then you can just follow the manual install instructions with your produced .zip
[14:35] <ogra_> rtg, oh, btw, i think i have seen ureadahed complain on mako dmesg outputs yesterday, could you check if we need the keybuk ureadahed patch there too ?
[14:36] <mine070> okay, what cdimage server zip should I use?
[14:36] <rtg> ogra_, will do. bug  number ?
[14:36] <ogra_> rtg, no bug :) i just noticed the ureadahead complaints when looking at something else
[14:37] <ogra_> (might be userspace, i just want to be sure before digging in deeper)
[14:37] <rtg> ogra_, so many kernels, so little time...
[14:37] <ogra_> mine070, the armhf.zip from the ubuntu-touch-preview dir
[14:38] <ogra_> rtg, haha, dont tell me ... we're still having to pull out the floor from the userspace several times until we're even remotely ready
[14:39] <ogra_> (flipped was only the first step ... there are at least three simlar hairy bits to happen before feature freeze)
[14:40] <cking> hrm, / is world writeable on the phablet images, is that a know issues?
[14:40] <ogra_> yes, that will change once we have switched to loop mounted images and once Mir is in
[14:40] <cking> ogra_, ack
[14:41] <ogra_> (and then to repartitioned MMCs ... after that)
[14:43] <tsdgeos> dpm: do you handle http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/07/announcing-the-ubuntu-core-apps-hack-days/ ?
[14:44] <popey> tsdgeos: yes
[14:44] <popey> and me and mhall119
[14:44] <dpm> tsdgeos, exactly :)
[14:44] <tsdgeos> the link to the documentviewer is wrong
[14:44] <tsdgeos> should be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DocViewer instead of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DocumentViewer
[14:45]  * popey fixes
[14:45]  * popey fixes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/HackDays I mean ☻
[14:46] <dpm> popey, fixed
[14:46] <popey> thanks
[14:46] <dpm> (sorry, hadn't seen you mentioning it on IRC)
[14:46] <dpm> popey, ah, haven't fixed it on the wiki yet, just on d.u.c, I meant
[14:47] <popey> yeah, i fixed the wiki, i cant edit d.u.c
[14:47] <sil2100> renato_: hi!
[14:47] <dpm> popey, thanks! hm, you can't? Does it tell you something about permissions?
[14:47] <popey> i only have a "view" option in wp
[14:47] <dpm> tsdgeos, fixed, thanks for the heads up!
[14:47] <tsdgeos> no worries
[14:48] <sil2100> renato_: address-book-app... I see it was prepared for daily release, but is its current state ready enough to be released?
[14:48] <popey> i can make new ones, just not edit existing ones dpm
[14:48]  * dpm fixes that
[14:49] <popey> thats better, thanks dpm
[14:49] <dpm> popey, ok, cool :)
[14:51] <oSoMoN> ogra_: so when running phablet-flash with -b, I’m now getting "FAILED (remote: Write Fail)" when "writing 'userdata'...", any idea what’s going on?
[14:51] <ogra_> not really, thats sergiusens special area
[14:52] <popey> write fail sounds somewhat serious
[14:52] <popey> or out of space
[14:54] <ogra_> yeah
[14:55] <ogra_> but phablet-flash has some size checks, it should complain
[14:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: popey oSoMoN it's a bad bootloader, fastboot -w most likely didn't work
[14:55]  * sergiusens is not here
[14:55] <popey> ahhh
[14:55] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:55]  * popey blinks
[14:56] <oSoMoN> right, so how do I fix that?
[14:56] <ogra_> oSoMoN, popey, i just had the idea that it might be a broken bootloader, fastboot -w might not work
[14:56] <ogra_> :P
[14:56] <oSoMoN> :)
[14:56] <oSoMoN> indeed: "Error while executing fastboot -w"
[14:57] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: can you try and flash the latest stock android and see if the new bootloader reports the correct partition sizes back to fastboot so the on the fly userdata image it creates works?
[14:57] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: it's easy to recovery though
[14:57] <renato_> sil2100, bfiller is reviewing the last MR before start the releases. And om26er_ is review the MR related with autopilot
[14:57] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: sure, let me try that
[14:57] <sil2100> renato_: excellent
[14:57] <sil2100> renato_: thanks
[14:57] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: just boot into recovery, do a format of user data and sdcard from the menus, then run phablet-flash -d $device
[15:06] <seb128> pete-woods, hey
[15:06] <seb128> pete-woods, I saw https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/libusermetrics/internationalisation-support/+merge/173238 ... I didn't look at the details but what code is using the lib and where are the datas coming from?
[15:07] <seb128> pete-woods, I'm curious for 2 reasons, one being the translation domain/how we get strings in hand of the translators, and the second is to know if we have "control" of those strings or if any third part app can provide datas through e.g the greeter
[15:10] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: thanks, formatting the user data and sdcard did the trick, I now have the latest image up and runnig
[15:10] <oSoMoN> running
[15:11] <oSoMoN> didn’t flash the latest android though
[15:13] <mhall119> nik90: you've got a calendar invite for tomorrow, it's about getting time and timezone information from the carrier's network
[15:14] <om26er_> renato_, hey
[15:15] <nik90|Mobile> mhall119, I know
[15:15] <nik90|Mobile> I asked thomas to send it to you as well
[15:15] <nik90|Mobile> :)
[15:15] <pete-woods> seb128: we ask each of the apps providing data for its translation domain
[15:15] <seb128> pete-woods, do they send you the string and the domain and you do the translation?
[15:16] <pete-woods> seb128: and yes, it is potentially insecure to process the format strings in the login process
[15:16] <pete-woods> seb128: yes
[15:16] <nik90|Mobile> mhall119 I will be home in another 2 houra. will talk then
[15:16] <pete-woods> seb128: fortunately there is a command line interface for gettext, so the translation can be done in an external process
[15:16] <seb128> pete-woods, ok, that's something that we discussed with ted and the security team after oakland, they didn't want the greeter to directly gettext strings coming from outside, we said that we should have a translation service or something
[15:16] <om26er_> renato_, I am looking at your branch and I think we should go with my branch since your  branch still have references to the mediaplayer tests in launch_test_local() and also I have launch_app() much simple
[15:17] <seb128> pete-woods, oh, clever trick, spawning gettext -d <string> ;-)
[15:17] <seb128> pete-woods, that's easier than adding a service indeed
[15:17] <pete-woods> seb128: it was ted's idea! :)
[15:17] <seb128> alright
[15:18] <seb128> pete-woods, thanks for the reply, I just wanted to check if you were aware of the issues with processing those strings ;-)
[15:18] <pete-woods> seb128: :)
[15:18] <om26er_> renato_, we could port the changes from your branch e.g. changes to main.cpp in another branch
[15:31] <williadurrea> hi for every body
[15:38] <rtg> apw, I uploaded grouper with some patches to fix bug #1190225. a gross and utter hack for nvdps
[15:38] <apw> rtg, cak
[15:38] <apw> ack
[15:46] <TH_> Hello, does anybody know if ubuntu touch has the "full pc" support via TV yet?
[15:47] <ogra_> doesnt, thats a 14.04 feature
[15:47] <TH_> Ah, thanks alot
[15:47] <TH_> Gotta wait till then
[15:48] <ogra_> target for 13.10 is "have a phone OS" ... target for 14.04 is "have a converged OS" :)
[15:48] <TH_> :) It will blow up my world when it comes
[15:49] <ogra_> not only yours ;)
[15:49] <TH_> "Shut up and take my money"
[15:49] <TH_> :P
[15:57] <davmor2> ogra_: did you say there would be a new spin for unity 8 or is it just a wait till tomorrow?
[15:57] <ogra_> davmor2, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+packages?field.name_filter=unity8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy ....
[15:57] <ogra_> no new unity8 yet
[15:57] <ogra_> still waiting
[15:58] <williadurrea> how i can download new unity desktop version
[15:58] <ogra_> but yes, i'll start a new build immediately if that changes
[15:58] <ogra_> williadurrea, i think #ubuntu-unity can help with that
[15:58] <davmor2> ogra_: ah okay thanks
[15:59] <ogra_> popey, poke ...
[16:06] <popey> ogra_: wassup?
[16:07] <ogra_> popey, soo ... sergiusens will soon switch phablet-flash to use /current ... and i asked that /current dfoesnt get populated automatically now ... until Qa has their ducks in a row we will need to test manualy and since i dont have an n4, could i ask you to be my wingman and do a manual test every morning ?
[16:08] <popey> ogra_: absolutely!
[16:08] <ogra_> perfect :)
[16:08] <ogra_> i dont want an image like todays anymore :) at least not published as default
[16:09] <popey> +1
[16:10] <popey> will phablet-flash pull the right image i.e not current?
[16:10] <ogra_> well, atm it uses the numbered dirs only ... it actually should use /current ...
[16:11] <ogra_> and the links from /corrent to the numbered dir will only be set after i  hit a trigger manually
[16:12] <ogra_> for testing you should be able to give it a version ...
[16:12] <ogra_> (i hope at least)
[16:12] <ogra_> :)
[16:13] <popey> hah
[16:13] <popey> lets see tomorrow morning
[16:13] <ogra_> yeah
[16:13] <popey> wonder when my lenovo engineer will come
[16:13] <popey> mid flash I guess
[16:13] <ogra_> well, or later today ... still waiting for unity8 to show up
[16:13] <popey> er. that all sounds very wrong
[16:13] <ogra_> heh
[16:13] <popey> well, feel free to ping me to test, I'll be around
[16:13] <popey> (today)
[16:13] <ogra_> just install arch :P
[16:13] <popey> haha
[16:13] <ogra_> it will fix all HW issues
[16:14] <ogra_> ok
[16:15] <ogra_> awe_, so the uid example is in /etc/init/ubuntu-touch-session.conf (not in powerd)
[16:16] <awe_> ogra_, why did I get in wrong in my email?
[16:16] <awe_> ;)
[16:16] <ogra_> setuid radio
[16:16] <awe_> that's what I mentioned!  ;D
[16:16] <ogra_> (seems you even wrote that job originally :) )
[16:17] <ogra_> no, not because you did get it wrong, just because i said in our call that i'd check :)
[16:18] <ogra_> (and i didnt see the mail yet :) )
[16:20] <ogra_> awe_, mail is perfect :D
[16:20] <awe_> thanks
[16:24] <thansen> the data on the toro (vzw gnex) looks a bit dated...anyone know if the radios work with that image these days?
[16:33] <om26er> the camera app is semi-broken bug 1199438
[16:45] <om26er> mzanetti, Hi! since you work on the greeter I have something to report. Got a minute?
[16:45] <mzanetti> om26er: actually its mterry
[16:45] <mzanetti> om26er: but shoot
[16:46] <om26er> mzanetti, sometimes the greeter does not appear at all.
[16:46] <om26er> mzanetti, like you turn off the screen and expect it to be there but it seems it does not even appear and you can use the phone without doing anything
[16:46] <mzanetti> om26er: huh? haven't seen that yet
[16:46] <om26er> mzanetti, I reported bug 1199441
[16:46] <mzanetti> om26er: does it appear once you turn the screen back on?
[16:47] <mzanetti> om26er: or doesn't it appear at all?
[16:47] <om26er> mzanetti, no it does not
[16:47] <mpt> seb128, did you end up reporting a bug about buttons looking too tall?
[16:47] <mzanetti> om26er: hmm... thats weird...
[16:47] <mzanetti> om26er: it would be really useful if you could find a way to reproduce this
[16:47] <mpt> seb128, which you noticed in the "Check For Updates" button
[16:47] <popey> om26er: never seen that either
[16:48] <om26er> mzanetti, is there any log that's maybe needed for the time when I see the issue ?
[16:48] <om26er> popey, I have seen that for a couple of times today and the day before, I am a heavy user of the phone FWIW
[16:48] <seb128> mpt, yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1198116
[16:48] <mpt> thanks
[16:48] <mzanetti> om26er: hmm... actually... one sec. I need to check where we store it
[16:49] <seb128> mpt, but the size is by design
[16:49] <popey> om26er: which device?
[16:49] <om26er> popey, mako
[16:49] <mhall119> Saviq: is the HUD broken?  My app added HUD actions, but they don't appear anymore
[16:49] <popey> hmm, interesting
[16:50] <Saviq> mhall119, not that I know of
[16:50] <seb128> mpt, rosie said that the button size is fine, the issue is that the list item should be higher (e.g extra margin between the button and the separator)
[16:50] <mhall119> I just dist-upgraded, let me reboot and see if it's still missing
[16:51] <mpt> seb128, hm, I'd forgotten that was just inside list items
[16:51] <mzanetti> ricmm_: hey, do we store the stdout of unity8 somewhere in the logs?
[16:51] <mhall119> well, that only made things worse :(
[16:51] <seb128> mpt, well it's not only inside list items, they changed the default height of buttons, but that's a design choice
[16:51] <om26er> popey, you see bug 1199438 ?
[16:52] <seb128> mpt, she said it looks wrong in the list because of the margin being too small
[16:52] <mhall119> Saviq: http://ubuntuone.com/7aAgCUODKSgWx8lUNOjW5G my installed apps aren't showing :(
[16:52] <Saviq> mhall119, yes, that's about-to-be-fixed
[16:52] <mhall119> race condition?
[16:52] <Saviq> mhall119, i.e. it's only waiting for CI
[16:53] <mhall119> ok
[16:53] <Saviq> mhall119, no, we broke the shell yesterday
[16:53] <mhall119> I'd recommend not doing that :)
[16:53] <mpt> seb128, yeah, I'm disliking the design choice, so I'll take it up with Rosie. :-)
[16:53] <seb128> mpt, I agree with you, thanks ;-)
[16:53] <popey> mhall119: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199322
[16:54] <mhall119> popey: thanks
[16:54] <mhall119> is that causing the OSK to not show when searching a lens?
[16:54] <mhall119> or is that a separate bug?
[16:54] <popey> om26er: not yet.
[16:54] <popey> separate I suspect
[16:55] <mhall119> bah, no OSK *anywhere*
[16:55] <mhall119> makes the webbrowser app so much less useful
[17:11] <ricmm_> mzanetti: .ubuntu-touch-session/logs/
[17:11] <ricmm_> currently
[17:11] <mzanetti> ricmm_: thanks.
[17:19] <davmor2> mhall119: you need to use the new TTTI (Thought Transfer Text Input) method
[17:29] <mhall119> davmor2: my thoughts will only cause more problems
[17:31] <nik90> mhall119: are all the core apps set up for translation?
[17:31] <nik90> I would ask david but he isnt here.
[17:31] <om26er> ogra_, Hi! do we still need to flash the latest saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip to make sure we are fully updated? or is that covered now with the flipped setup ?
[17:31] <mhall119> nik90: not all of them it seems, I thought they were
[17:32] <nik90> mhall119: ah ok. I got an email from a contributor who wanted to help translate clock app and he got his translations approved 2 hours ago :).. But he asked if it is possible to translate other core apps as well
[17:32] <mhall119> nik90: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[17:33] <mhall119> so only a handful are setup for translations right now, we should fix that
[17:33] <mhall119> popey: ^^
[17:33] <popey> om26er: phablet-flash -b, once, then after that just run phablet-flash
[17:34]  * popey looks
[17:34] <ogra_> om26er, that will be covered once we have android packaged ... hopefully before end of the month
[17:34] <om26er> popey, phablet-flash is too slow for me.. I download in a resumable way. so I always do the manual flash whenever I have to
[17:34] <popey> it is resumable
[17:35] <ogra_> om26er, though apt-get will go away too
[17:35] <om26er> ogra_, replaced by image upgraded ?
[17:35] <ogra_> (which means you will have to do image based upgrdaes)
[17:35] <ogra_> yeah
[17:35] <popey> I'd personally rather people test our tools than do it manually
[17:35] <ogra_> and these will operate with diffs ... so they will be a lot smaller
[17:36] <om26er> ogra_, cool
[17:38] <valerio> Question: "We don’t combine flat with deep navigation in the same view."    Does this mean that we should not use tabs and pagestack in the same app?
[17:39] <popey> mhall119: enabled translations for all of them
[17:39] <popey> not sure what else needs doing..?
[17:40]  * popey has not done this before
[17:41] <mhall119> popey: we might need to produce .pot files for them
[17:41] <mhall119> I'll ask dpm tomorrow
[17:43] <netcurli> valerio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1187850/comments/2
[17:43] <netcurli> so you can use both in the same app
[17:45] <valerio> thank you
[17:48] <nik90> mhall119: generating .pot files is so easy now with qtcreator. Although I am not sure if there is anything else that needs to be done.
[17:54] <mhall119> there might be, to tell Launchpad where to look for the .pot file, but I'm not 100% sure
[17:54] <mhall119> dpm will know better
[17:55] <nik90> yes
[17:59] <nik90> popey: Would it be able to move clock app design meeting on thursday from 12:30 UTC (current) to 16:00 UTC?
[18:00]  * popey checks his calendar
[18:00] <popey> actually, my calendar is irrelavent, it's design you want :)(
[18:00] <nik90> hehe
[18:00] <popey> I'll ping them a mail and see
[18:00] <nik90> okay,
[18:00] <nik90> thnx
[18:01] <davmor2> popey: hahaha can we have <popey> actually, my calendar is irrelavent in the Topic?
[18:02] <popey> hehe
[18:02] <popey> touche
[18:13] <rsalveti> popey: thanks for helping with the daily testing :-)
[18:14] <popey> rsalveti: np
[18:27] <timppa> does anyone know any tutorials on programming Qt and networking?
[18:28] <popey> timppa: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/a44ea099-bb7c-4c0c-bf59-0a5d63eddc8b/Tic-Tac-Toe.html
[18:28] <popey> networked tic-tac-toe
[18:28] <popey> WARNING: Global Thermonuclear War may result!
[18:28] <timppa> :)
[18:28] <timppa> thanks, I will look into it
[18:46] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: did the rebuild happen yet?
[18:46] <timppa> btw, is it possible to use Qt+python to develop applications to touch?
[18:46] <popey> not yet davmor2
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: I was about to say nevermind I found the link ogra_ posted earlier and it looks like unity for armhf is still building :(
[18:49] <tedg> rsalveti, With the flipped images does upower work now?
[18:50] <rsalveti> tedg: it should, sforshee was looking into that
[18:51] <sforshee> tedg: so far upower has been working fine for me, outside of being poorly documented
[18:51] <tedg> sforshee, rsalveti, cool, thanks guys.
[18:51] <tedg> We wanted to check to make sure before suggesting indicator-power.
[18:52] <sforshee> tedg: I won't say that my testing has been exhaustive though
[18:55] <tedg> sforshee, That's okay we'll just switch the default image and give jono your cell phone number.  He stays up late.
[18:55] <tedg> And has a small child.
[18:55] <tedg> :-)
[18:55]  * sforshee quickly changes his cell number
[18:55] <sporkeee> lol
[18:56]  * jono folds his arms and looks at sforshee
[18:56] <jono> would be a shame if your house was to...say...fall over... sforshee
[18:56] <jono> lol
[18:56] <jono> I think I could play a Free Software gangsta
[18:56] <ogra_> tedg, dude, you are a week late .... we switched the default last week already
[18:57] <sporkeee> jono, horn in on stallman, lol
[18:57] <tedg> ogra_, ? no more indicator-battery on the images?
[18:57] <jono> sporkeee, lol
[18:57] <ogra_> tedg, no, flipped as default :)
[18:57] <sporkeee> don't eat the cheese. ;)
[18:57] <tedg> jono, I thought it was the wolf that blew the pig's house down?  /me realizes why they call him "Bacon"
[18:58] <ogra_> lol
[18:58] <jono> tedg, times are changing, the pig is the new king of the jungle
[18:58] <jono> and I will smoke and eat that pig
[18:58] <jono> :-)
[18:59] <tedg> Heh
[18:59] <kenvandine> jhodapp, hey... can you look at a qtvideo-node FTBFS for me?
[18:59] <kenvandine> jhodapp, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/qtvideo-node-saucy-armhf-autolanding/6/console
[19:00] <kenvandine> jhodapp, fails on armhf
[19:00] <jhodapp> kenvandine, FTBFS?
[19:00] <kenvandine> /usr/include/GL/gl.h:162:17: error: 'GLdouble' has a previous declaration as 'typedef double GLdouble'
[19:00] <kenvandine> fails to build from source :)
[19:00] <kenvandine> looks like it no longer builds with opengl config set
[19:00] <kenvandine> only on armhf though
[19:01] <jhodapp> kenvandine, looks like something around the free GL implementation has changed again that's not compatible with the arm build
[19:01] <kenvandine> right
[19:01] <kenvandine> i'm just trying to land my branch... and this is a completely unrelated failure :)
[19:02] <jhodapp> kenvandine, yeah, the last time something like this happened I wasn't involved in the fix...and I'm forgetting at the moment who did the fix
[19:02] <jhodapp> kenvandine, it did require adding some C macro protection to the code
[19:04] <ogra_> there is no openGL on arm ;) only EGL/GLES
[19:04] <ogra_> if you build arm stuff that needs GL headers, add a mesa dep on the right -dev package
[19:04] <jhodapp> ogra_, right
[19:05] <ogra_> (it should DTRT)
[19:05] <jhodapp> ogra_, that should be all set for this package from the previous time this happened, which means some of the other packages are changing around qtvideo-node
[19:06] <jhodapp> ogra_, DTRT?
[19:06] <ogra_> do the right thing :)
[19:06] <ogra_> heh, you seem to be bombed with abbreviations today, sorry :)
[19:06] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:06] <jhodapp> lol
[19:06] <kenvandine> love the jargen
[19:07] <kenvandine> this was building on arm a month ago
[19:07] <kenvandine> but not anymore
[19:07] <jhodapp> two acronyms I've never seen before :)
[19:07] <kenvandine> both of which i use almost daily :)
[19:07] <ogra_> a *month* ... thats like *generations* away ...
[19:08] <jhodapp> kenvandine, did you just commit a fix, why are you trying to build qtvideo-node?
[19:08] <kenvandine> trying to build
[19:08] <kenvandine> i removed the tests and cleaned up the packaging a bit
[19:08] <kenvandine> trunk doesn't build either
[19:08] <kenvandine> not just my branch
[19:09] <kenvandine> maybe gl is conflicting with glext
[19:09] <jhodapp> kenvandine, oh really...that might be a possibility
[19:09] <jhodapp> kenvandine, I'd recommend looking at the recent bzr history as well to see who and what they did for GL fixes
[19:10] <kenvandine> "recent"
[19:10] <kenvandine> it's like abandonware :)
[19:10] <kenvandine> nothing related in the past 6 months or so
[19:10] <jhodapp> kenvandine, I need to sign up for notifications for when Jenkins fails on some of these libraries that I care about
[19:10] <jhodapp> kenvandine, yeah, there's been no needed changes
[19:33] <davmor2> ogra_: Yay unity8 looks to of finally built :)
[19:36]  * popey pictures davmor2 jumping up and down like an impatient child waiting for christmas
[19:36] <rsalveti> davmor2: ogra_: seems it's still missing https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mock-scopes/+merge/173698
[19:36] <rsalveti> for some reason jenkins still didn't merge this branch
[19:36] <rsalveti> Saviq: ^
[19:37] <Saviq> rsalveti, there's a queue on armhf afaik
[19:37]  * davmor2 goes off in a huff, well that and EOD catch you all tomorrow :)
[19:37] <Saviq> rsalveti, http://s-jenkins:8080/job/unity8-autolanding/58/ is doing it
[19:38] <rsalveti> Saviq: cool
[19:43] <popey> davmor2: see you in the morning for an intense (testing) workout!
[19:46] <ogra_> hehe
[19:46] <mhall119> fginther: can we manually trigger a build of sudoku-app so we get the new package names in the PPA?
[19:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, /home/ogra/README.mark-current has the command for marking a tested image for /current (in cases wheer i'm not around) ... you need to call it as cdimage user
[19:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, on nusakan that is
[19:47] <stgraber> sergiusens, rsalveti: hey, so I'd like to replace system-image-upgrader in the recovery image by an initial working version I have here (no GPG yet, but the rest works), I believe that's somewhere on git, how do I update that and have it included in the next build?
[19:47] <fginther> mhall119, no problem
[19:47] <mhall119> thanks
[19:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: awesome, thanks
[19:50] <rsalveti> stgraber: it's part of http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery.git
[19:50] <rsalveti> phablet-10.1 branch
[19:51] <rsalveti> take a look at the head, there's s stub in there that ondra created
[19:51] <stgraber> rsalveti: I don't suppose I can just push to that branch?
[19:51] <rsalveti> stgraber: probably not, would need to ping is to add you there, but if you have the patches in hand I can just apply them
[19:51] <stgraber> rsalveti: ok, I'll send you a patch in a minute
[19:52] <rsalveti> ok
[19:55] <stgraber> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859454/
[19:57] <rsalveti> stgraber: thanks
[20:11] <om26er> is syncevolution known to work these days ?
[20:16] <rsalveti> stgraber: seems it didn't break anything, so pushing :-)
[20:17] <rsalveti> stgraber: done
[20:22] <stgraber> rsalveti: thanks
[20:36] <linux-newbie> Anyone generous enough to help me figure out what is going wrong in my terminal?
[20:39] <rsalveti> Saviq: jezzz, it failed again?!
[20:39] <rsalveti> and now because of jenkins
[20:40] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, jenkins is not our friend today
[20:40] <rsalveti> this is sad
[20:41] <asac`> rsalveti: so did more talks
[20:41] <asac`> and if we have a simple flag on phablet-flash to pull our staging image
[20:42] <asac`> we can get testing for that
[20:42] <rsalveti> sure, that's easy, we'll add the support for '/pending' already
[20:42] <asac`> first probably not done in an automatic gating manner , but dont think this should hold us back
[20:42] <rsalveti> would that be enough or would you like a different staging image?
[20:42] <asac`> rsalveti: /pending? whats that?
[20:43] <rsalveti> asac`: cdimage, we publish it under /pending and then once tested we move the link to /current
[20:43] <asac`> i thought we discussed making an image that will be produced for checking stuff _before_ you upload to archive
[20:43] <rsalveti> asac`: right, that as well
[20:43] <asac`> yeah
[20:43] <rsalveti> I'd say we need both
[20:43] <asac`> so the pending you dont need to bother
[20:43] <asac`> that seems to happen anyay
[20:43] <asac`> i just need to keep it disabled until we have landed all our autopilot tests
[20:43] <rsalveti> where, how and who is taking care of that?
[20:43] <asac`> and have them green :)
[20:43] <rsalveti> :-)
[20:43] <asac`> plars
[20:43] <asac`> seems to have done all that
[20:44] <asac`> and just waits for something that i will find out tomorrow
[20:44] <asac`> so seems QA is adding support for image propagation
[20:44] <rsalveti> right, ok
[20:44] <asac`> after testing smoke tests
[20:44] <rsalveti> yeah, I know he added support for it, but I want to see it running :-)
[20:44] <asac`> however, given that we pump up smoke tests now massively, i believe we have to wait another few weeks and instead do the night call approach
[20:44] <asac`> yeah
[20:44] <asac`> i will have a call with them tomorrow
[20:44] <linux-newbie> Hey developer people, is this the right place for linux questions regarding ubuntu touch?
[20:44] <rsalveti> right, cool
[20:45] <asac`> i believe we should gate /pending to /current on just the "default" tests
[20:45] <asac`> and not all smoke tests
[20:45] <asac`> for now
[20:45] <asac`> i will ask him where that stands
[20:45] <rsalveti> asac`: right, anything is already better than nothing
[20:45] <asac`> what i want to see is a ppa staging, produce image (with dist-upgrade) quickly and then send it to QA
[20:45] <asac`> as i want to use this as an example how daily-release could do it
[20:46] <rsalveti> sure, that's doable
[20:46] <asac`> i guess its a "/staging" :)
[20:46] <asac`> lol
[20:46] <asac`> just coming from jenkins and not cdimage
[20:46] <asac`> rsalveti: hey ... is there a way i can copy all the .debs that were used to produce a phablet image from somewhere?
[20:46] <asac`> i dont really like the idea to run full livefs
[20:47] <asac`> but want to try just unpacking them
[20:47] <asac`> and measure the time
[20:47]  * asac` guesses those are just deleted and he will have to do a full livefs run
[20:47] <asac`> err livecd
[20:47] <asac`> live-build
[20:47] <asac`> not sure whats called :)
[20:48] <rsalveti> yeah, it gets the packages from the archive
[20:48] <rsalveti> it'd be really nice to investigate if we could speed things up at the image build side
[20:48] <asac`> well
[20:48] <asac`> we can try to incrementally speed up
[20:48] <rsalveti> with jenkins we were building on a x86 machine using qemu, was taking ~40min
[20:48] <asac`> but real boost comes from killing maintainer scripts :)
[20:48] <rsalveti> and a faster builder :-)
[20:49] <asac`> then you just unpack all cross
[20:49] <asac`> and run a "prep image" script
[20:49] <rsalveti> right
[20:49] <asac`> there is just one flaw
[20:49] <asac`> i like the idea of the "system builder mode" that brings the apt db back
[20:49] <asac`> that will be tricky if we don't use apt to assemble images anymore i guess
[20:50] <rsalveti> well, we'll always use apt, but not necessarily for everything anymore
[20:50] <asac`> maybe... maybe we can really hack apt to not run maintainer scripts anymore for all the stuff on the base system
[20:50] <asac`> of phone
[20:50] <asac`> err ubuntu-next :)
[20:51] <asac`> that would probably boost stuff by magnitudes
[20:51]  * asac` has to get mvo back
[20:51] <rsalveti> any sort of clean up or improvement at that level is useful anyway
[20:51] <asac`> we could run the intel bash
[20:51] <asac`> if we are very lame
[20:52] <asac`> and dont go fully innovative
[20:52] <asac`> but still ... this whole preparing, setting up, doing xys
[20:52] <asac`> is even taking loads of time here on my x220 thinkpad when doing a major dist-upgrade
[20:52]  * asac` schedules a call with mvo :)
[20:53] <asac`> anyway ... is anyone producing the live-build stuff locally still from time to time here?
[20:54] <asac`> if so, please backjup the .debs :)
[20:54] <asac`> rsalveti: is there something like a hackbox?
[20:54] <asac`> that i could use to run live-build etc.?
[20:54]  * asac` is ignorant about our infrastructure really
[20:55] <rsalveti> asac`: not so sure, quite a while I used any of our machines for such tests
[20:55] <rsalveti> just using the devices directly :-)
[20:55] <asac`> omg
[20:55] <asac`> anybody knows canonicloud?
[20:55] <asac`> is that still available?
[20:55] <asac`> how can i get a machine?
[20:55] <asac`> :)
[20:55] <rsalveti> asac`: :-)
[20:56] <rsalveti> asac`: depending on what you're testing exactly you could just use your own laptop
[20:56] <rsalveti> will just not be able to run live-build natively in an arm machine
[20:56] <asac`> rsalveti: are we running live-build really on an ARM machine?
[20:57] <asac`> not even binfmt?
[20:57] <asac`> but well. i really want to run it anyway on i386
[20:57] <asac`> whatever my experiment would be ... it would never involve not to cross stuff
[21:00] <rsalveti> asac`: yeah, we still build the images using the native target :-)
[21:20] <Oranger> mhall119: ping ! :)
[21:41] <mhall119> Oranger: pong!
[21:42] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey how are you ? :) Just wondering, do you know who can edit this page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding
[21:42] <asac`> rsalveti: libPVROGL.so
[21:42] <asac`> whats that?
[21:42] <asac`> thats an .so missing
[21:42] <asac`> and always happens at end of autopilot tests for me i think
[21:43] <asac`> sounds like a powervr
[21:43] <asac`> thing
[21:43] <rsalveti> asac`: right, that's fine
[21:43] <asac`> have you seen that?
[21:43] <rsalveti> yeah, it's expected to be missing
[21:43] <mhall119> Oranger: anybody can edit it
[21:43] <asac`> rsalveti: but the test fails because of that
[21:43] <mhall119> including you :)
[21:43] <rsalveti> asac`: are you sure?
[21:43] <rsalveti> asac`: where are the logs?
[21:44] <asac`> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859782/
[21:44] <Oranger> mhall119: Ahah ok thanks :) I have to update the status of docviewer :)
[21:44] <asac`> bfiller: ^^
[21:44] <asac`> above is what i get when running camera-app-autopilot
[21:44] <rsalveti> asac`: right, that's just hybris showing the usual error with the lib, not the cause of the problem
[21:44] <asac`> (i think the PVR is a red herring as rsalveti suggested)
[21:45] <rsalveti> E/linker  (  496): linker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libOpenVG.so' not found
[21:45] <rsalveti> E/linker  (  496): linker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROGL.so' not found
[21:45] <rsalveti> E/linker  (  496): linker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROCL.so' not found
[21:45] <asac`> bfiller: can you parse whats going on?
[21:45] <rsalveti> that's not included by default
[21:46] <asac`> ok i move to friends-app-autopilot
[21:46] <asac`> and see
[21:47] <asac`> bfiller: here the compressed instructions to repro:
[21:47] <asac`>  1. install fresh image from today and get network going
[21:47] <asac`>  2. phablet-network-setup -i
[21:47] <asac`>  3. phablet-test-run -i -p camera-app-autopilot camera_app (use the right stuff here)
[21:49] <asac`> veebers: anything flawed with that approach above? (it definitly installs autopilot ppa etc.)
[21:49] <asac`> veebers: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859782/ thats the output i see
[21:49] <veebers> asac`: just in a meeting, will be about 10min
[21:50] <asac`> veebers: friends-app also fails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859810/
[21:50] <asac`> bfiller: ^^
[21:51] <asac`> oh
[21:51] <asac`> X11: ImportError('No module named Xlib',)
[21:51] <asac`> wtf
[21:52] <asac`> doanac: anything flawed doing this:
[21:53] <asac`> 23:47 < asac`>  1. install fresh image from today and get network going
[21:53] <asac`> 23:47 < asac`>  2. phablet-network-setup -i
[21:53] <asac`> 23:47 < asac`>  3. phablet-test-run -i -p camera-app-autopilot camera_app (use the right stuff here)
[21:53] <popey> step 2 does "and get network going" for you
[21:53] <popey> being picky
[21:54] <asac`> popey: yeah maybe... i have some kind of settings still on device
[21:54] <asac`> how can i tell phablet-flash to just wipe everything cleanly?
[21:54] <popey> not sure you can
[21:55] <popey> maybe ogra_ knows
[21:55] <doanac> asac`: seems sane
[21:55] <asac`> couldnt phablet-network-setup also get network going? like run nmcli nm up uuid <therightone>
[21:55] <popey> the smarts which make it backup/restore your network config and home are inside the install zip
[21:55] <asac`> popey: do you know about any autopilot test that should run?
[21:55] <popey> phablet-network-setup _does_ get network going
[21:55] <asac`> :)O
[21:55] <popey> thats what it's for
[21:55] <doanac> asac`: that error looks like its something specific to the test you ran
[21:56] <popey> i haven't tried running autopilot on device recently
[21:56] <asac`> popey: ah ... so the instructions are perfect
[21:56] <asac`> oh sorry
[21:56] <asac`> yeah see what you mean :)
[21:56] <asac`> so i have this list:
[21:56] <asac`>  * camera-app-autopilot - Test package for the camera app
[21:56] <asac`>  * friends-app-autopilot - Aggregator for all your social network accounts
[21:56] <asac`>  * gallery-app-autopilot - Autopilot tests for the photo gallery for Ubuntu
[21:56] <popey> i suspect you're missing autopilot package from the ppa
[21:56] <asac`>  * mediaplayer-app-autopilot - Test package for mediaplayer-app
[21:57] <asac`>  * notes-app-autopilot - Test package for the notes app
[21:57] <asac`>  * share-app-autopilot - Test package for the share app
[21:57] <asac`>  * webbrowser-app-autopilot - Ubuntu web browser autopilot tests
[21:57] <asac`>  * phone-app-autopilot - autopilot tests for phone-app
[21:57] <asac`>  * phone-app-connected-autopilot - connected autopilot tests for phone-app
[21:57] <asac`>  * calendar-app-autopilot - Autopilot tests for Ubuntu Calendar Application
[21:57] <asac`>  * music-app-autopilot - Autopilot tests for Music App
[21:57] <asac`> i will just run every app
[21:57] <asac`> tests
[21:57] <asac`> and see
[21:57] <ogra_> asac`, format /data before flashing to get it really clean
[21:57] <asac`> popey: that could be ... but phablet-test-run did that
[21:57] <asac`> it enabled at least the ppa
[21:57] <ogra_> (from recovery)
[21:57] <popey> i dont see that in your pastebin
[21:57] <asac`> yeah
[21:58] <popey> ah, yes already newest version
[21:58] <asac`> damn :) ... terminal buffer not long enough (guess too long since i did something serious)
[21:58] <asac`> right
[21:58] <asac`> i somehow get the feeling only the community apps will work :)
[21:58] <asac`> lol
[21:59] <asac`> ok gallery app now :)
[22:00] <popey> i went through and made some instructions for running ap tests..
[22:00] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot
[22:00] <popey> you may have seen these
[22:00] <asac`> veebers: if you get off ... can you tell me one autopilot package that you know works from start to end and wont fail? i want to check my instructions
[22:01] <asac`> popey: yeah... veebers told me its now nicely "wrapped"
[22:01] <asac`> in phablet-test-run
[22:01] <popey> coolio
[22:01] <popey> not tried that
[22:01] <asac`> and i tried the same on the device with autopilot run
[22:01] <asac`> i can double check the packages
[22:01] <asac`> but let me wait for veebers who has real know how on this :)
[22:02] <asac`> so yeah ... gallery also failed using those instructions
[22:02] <asac`> guess there is something fishy
[22:02] <ogra_> what image is that ?
[22:02] <asac`> today
[22:02] <ogra_> heh
[22:02] <asac`> just a few minutes ago
[22:02] <thomi> asac`: got a second?
[22:02] <asac`> thomi: i am here, yes :)
[22:02] <thomi> asac`: care to join veebers and myuself for a quick G+ hangout?
[22:02] <ogra_> asac`, then autopilot behaves just right
[22:02] <asac`> sure
[22:02] <thomi> asac`: to talk about autopilot test runs on the device: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b42b1c5d1c7383252d57a7596a404f0000dfcdc1
[22:02] <ogra_> todays image is completely borked
[22:03] <asac`> ogra_: i need to validate the instructions
[22:03] <asac`> because i will send a mail
[22:03] <asac`> telling folks to test their autopilot packages
[22:03] <ogra_> well, then you should do that with a working image
[22:03] <popey> you need to validate the instructions on an image which is at least barely function though
[22:03] <asac`> before they become dead critical later this week
[22:03] <popey> to be fair
[22:03] <asac`> right
[22:03] <asac`> ogra_: give me an image that i can use
[22:03] <ogra_> 08
[22:03] <ogra_> yesterdays
[22:03] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130708/
[22:03] <asac`> and tell me how to install it with phablet-flash while i am on the hangout
[22:04] <popey> you know we have this documented?
[22:04] <popey> there's this thing called the wiki, you may have seen it
[22:04] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[22:04] <popey> see "manual install"
[22:05] <ogra_> well, phablet-flash -r 20130708 might work too
[22:05] <popey> ooh, that would be great
[22:05]  * popey tries
[22:06] <popey> nope
[22:06]  * ogra_ isnt sure
[22:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859859
[22:06] <asac`> i am just a dumb bot
[22:06] <popey> hah
[22:06] <ogra_> my phablet-tools is a bit putdated, and --list-revisions seems to not actually pull what it should
[22:07] <ogra_> so phablet-flash -r ubuntu-touch/20130708
[22:07] <asac`> so just -r doesnt work as in popeys test
[22:07] <ogra_> i would guess
[22:07] <popey> 404
[22:07] <popey> looks in the wrong place
[22:08] <ogra_> bah
[22:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859863
[22:08] <popey> yeah, so manual it is
[22:08]  * popey files bugs in phablet-tools
[22:09] <ogra_> ++
[22:09] <popey> bug 1198147
[22:09] <popey> already done by Saviq
[22:09] <popey> haha, and confirmed by me yesterday!
[22:09] <popey> wow, I have a memory like a goldfish
[22:09] <ogra_> heh
[22:10] <ogra_> the beer !
[22:10] <ogra_> :)
[22:10] <popey> i wish
[22:10] <popey> the age ☻
[22:10] <ogra_> lol, you tell *me* ?
[22:11] <ogra_> the prob with phablet-flash is that it is like windows ...
[22:11] <popey> trying to be clever?
[22:11] <ogra_> it tries to be backwards compatible to day one
[22:11] <Saviq> popey, ;)
[22:12] <asac`> so what do i need to do?
[22:12] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[22:12] <ogra_> hmm, that doesnt point to flipped yet
[22:12] <popey> haha, we all fail
[22:13] <popey> asac`: go and live in a cave, you're better off that way.
[22:13] <popey> ogra_: any chance you can update those instructions?
[22:13] <ogra_> fixed
[22:13] <popey> yay
[22:13]  * popey tests
[22:13] <ogra_> the instructions are the same, just not the download link :)
[22:14] <popey> not that I dont trust you
[22:14] <ogra_> though current wont help indeed :)
[22:14] <ogra_> in this pecific case
[22:14]  * popey gets a previous image from his home mirror :D
[22:15] <ogra_> heh
[22:16] <ogra_> asac`, so you want the zips from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130708/  with the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation ... note that the order of flashing is important with flipped
[22:16] <popey> hmm, due to me using ethernet over power, it's actually _slower_ wgetting from my home server than from cdimage!
[22:16] <ogra_> LOL
[22:17] <ogra_> is that your hypotethical tinfoil hat against wlan rays ?
[22:18]  * ogra_ has a few ethernet over power devices ...  on the shelf  in a box, i gave up on them
[22:18] <popey> nah, just wifi is a pain on servers
[22:18] <popey> and server is in the middle of the house, wifi at the edge, so signal not brilliant
[22:19] <popey> I should set that up one day though, I guess I can just install nm on my server and copy my wifi config over like we do with the phone?
[22:19] <ogra_> ah, well, i have one cable across all three floors, server is in the basement on one end
[22:19] <popey> yeah, wish I had better networking. wifey doesn't like cables
[22:20] <ogra_> well, its only one ... through a pipe
[22:20] <ogra_> i have an AP on everry floor ... all other devices (except router and FW) are wlan
[22:20] <popey> i might try and carefully route one behind plants and stuff
[22:21] <popey> so the first line in the wiki says "Boot your device into recovery mode" but doesn't say use adb reboot recovery, any reason why not?
[22:21] <ogra_> well,, i lie, my office is full of cables and HUBs with lots of blinking boards attached
[22:21] <popey> given we explicitly give that instruction later?
[22:22] <ogra_> well, when i wrote it i thought more about a shot down device
[22:22] <ogra_> not sure why :)
[22:22] <asac`> ogra_: so when is htere a good image?
[22:22] <ogra_> and i didnt feel like writing each and every key combo for that step
[22:22] <asac`> rick wants us to back stuff out
[22:22] <popey> step 1: dig old crappy phone out of a drawer
[22:23] <popey> 08 is a good image
[22:23] <ogra_> asac`, i was waiting for the fix to land, should be there now
[22:23] <rsalveti> waiting https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mock-scopes/+merge/173698
[22:23] <ogra_> asac`, and now i didnt want to trigger the new build until you downloaded 08
[22:23] <Saviq> FCUK
[22:23] <rsalveti> again?
[22:23] <ogra_> (which will be gone once the new one shows up)
[22:24] <rsalveti> hm, failed hard now
[22:24] <rsalveti> CMakeFiles/ListViewWithPageHeader-qml.dir/ListViewWithPageHeader-qml_automoc.cpp.o:(.debug_info+0xc67d): undefined reference to `.LASF1781'
[22:24] <rsalveti> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[22:25] <popey> would it be prudent at this point to wipe 09 after making sure 08 really is okay?
[22:25] <ogra_> yeah already looking into it
[22:25] <Saviq> rsalveti, nah ,we've just inherited a bug from the SDK this time...
[22:25] <rsalveti> :-(
[22:25] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, please kill it
[22:25] <rsalveti> with fire
[22:26] <popey> ogra_: the instructions for manual install are inaccurate.
[22:26] <popey> adb push /path/to/your/downloaded/saucy-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[22:27] <popey> there is no such file saucy-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip
[22:27] <popey> there's boot, recovery, system and touch
[22:28]  * asac` reads backglog
[22:28] <ogra_> done
[22:28] <asac`> ogra_: how long does the new build take?
[22:28] <asac`> i could go to dinner
[22:28] <asac`> and wait :)
[22:28] <asac`> if i get genuine instructions working
[22:28] <ogra_> current points to 08 now and 09 is gone
[22:28] <asac`> nice
[22:28]  * asac` runs phablet-flash again
[22:29] <ogra_> asac`, about 1h
[22:29] <asac`> yeah. happy to test again then too
[22:29] <asac`> and phablet-flash -r will get fixed too... brave new world :-P
[22:29] <ogra_> well, i'm not so sure the actual fix is already in, seeing Saviq and rsalveti above
[22:30] <rsalveti> not yet
[22:30] <asac`> yeah... as long as 08 is good and /current i am happy for a few more hours :)
[22:30] <rsalveti> failing to be merged since 4-5 hours ago
[22:30] <ogra_> yeah, thats what i thought
[22:30] <rsalveti> due random issues
[22:30] <asac`> i guess i dont want to know about those random issues :(
[22:30] <ogra_> popey, oh, it is preinstalled-touch now
[22:31] <popey> and touch-armhf
[22:31] <ogra_> right
[22:31]  * ogra_ fixes
[22:31] <popey> thanks ogra_ !
[22:31] <ogra_> well, thanks for checking :)
[22:31] <popey> \o/ teamwork
[22:36]  * asac` for dinner
[22:37] <popey> Editing the wiki.. the sad moment when your 2 factor auth code has 007 in it, makes you feel like a secret agent.
[22:46] <Hashcode> ogra_ any reason why ubuntu/platformapi shouldn't be updated like libhybris during envsetup.sh?]
[22:48] <ogra_> Hashcode, no reason i think
[22:49] <popey> hmmm, phablet-network-setup fails on my desktop of course
[22:49] <popey> (no wifi)
[22:49] <ogra_> yeah
[22:49] <Hashcode> I think from a typical porting stand point that might also be a "clunky" point
[22:49] <Hashcode> Everything else pulls in from repo / envsetup.sh and updates
[22:49] <Hashcode> Except platformapi
[22:49] <ogra_> well, you need to update the bzr branches manually
[22:50] <ogra_> isnt hybris bzr too ?
[22:50] <Hashcode> I think that gets pulled now during envsetup
[22:50] <Hashcode> libhybris anyway
[22:50] <Hashcode> I get a bzr error when doing bzr pull on it
[22:54] <ogra_> Hashcode, in ubuntu/hybris ?
[22:54] <Hashcode> yeah
[22:54] <Hashcode> let me try again
[22:55] <ogra_> works fine here
[22:55] <Hashcode> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/hashcode/android/ubuntu/ubuntu/hybris/".
[22:55] <Hashcode> lemme re-run phablet-dev-bootstrap
[22:55] <ogra_> yeah, looks weird
[22:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: hybris is a package now
[22:57] <rsalveti> clean, no bzr
[22:57] <ogra_> oh
[22:57] <ogra_> ok
[22:57] <rsalveti> so it grabs it from envsetup
[22:57]  * ogra_ didnt have to build for a while
[22:59] <ogra_> anyway ... need to go afk ..
[22:59] <popey> ttfn
[22:59] <popey> asac`: Good news, flashed 20130708 using manual instructions, followed your 3 steps as you laid out, and ran webbrowser ap tests. works ok -
[23:01] <Hashcode> rsalveti: thanks :)
[23:03] <popey> asac`: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5859982
[23:03]  * Saviq wants to cry
[23:04] <Saviq> can we freakin' merge this please?
[23:04] <popey> ☻
[23:05] <Saviq> popey, the branch was first approved 15:41 UTC... still not landed
[23:05] <Saviq> been rejected 6 times now due to different jenkins / no jenkins failures
[23:05] <rsalveti> horrible
[23:05] <Saviq> this is like the FAILEST DAY EVER
[23:06] <popey> yeah, saw the merge. crappy
[23:06] <popey> meh, it's not released yet
[23:06] <popey> be thankful it's not broken in 20 million handsets ☻
[23:06] <rsalveti> popey: easy one, mind you? https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/phablet-tools/new_release/+merge/173841
[23:06] <Saviq> popey, lol
[23:06] <rsalveti> lol
[23:07]  * popey looks
[23:08] <popey> done
[23:08] <rsalveti> popey: thanks!
[23:08] <popey> np
[23:08] <popey> i like easy
[23:35] <asac`> popey: awesome, but the paste failed, no?
[23:36] <popey> asac`: well, some tests failed,
[23:36] <Saviq> we have touch down!
[23:37] <asac`> Saviq: whats that?
[23:37] <popey> some of the errors look very odd
[23:37] <Saviq> asac`, the freakin' fix for the broken shell landed
[23:38] <Saviq> asac`, after some 8 hours of fighting with jenkins
[23:38] <popey> so for example it was trying to test the browser opening a local file using file:///tmp/fileblah... but when I looked at the browser it had file///tmp/fileblah..
[23:38] <asac`> Saviq: guess not bug that made everything scroll away :)? ... oh ic :-P
[23:38] <asac`> don't get me started on jenkins... cough
[23:38] <Saviq> asac`, that's fixed, too, I think
[23:38] <Saviq> asac`, if you mean that the header went down and everything else went up (in the shell, I mean)
[23:38] <asac`> ack
[23:39] <asac`> well... i could only scroll up basically
[23:39] <asac`> until everything was gone :)
[23:39] <Saviq> asac`, in the dash?
[23:39] <popey> nice one Saviq
[23:40] <popey> look forward to testing a working image in the morning ☻
[23:40] <Saviq> asac`, that's most probably http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/92
[23:40] <asac`> Saviq: well... it was on the app home screen for instance ... everything was gone... pure purple
[23:40] <asac`> but from whatyou say above, that probably is what you describe
[23:40] <Saviq> asac`, yeah, that should be it
[23:40] <asac`> nice one :)
[23:41] <Saviq> asac`, steps to reproduce: scroll up to make the "thick separator" half on-screen
[23:41] <Saviq> asac`, swipe to the sides
[23:41] <Saviq> asac`, start scrolling around
[23:41] <Saviq> asac`, you got The Incredible Machine
[23:41] <asac`> lol
[23:41] <asac`> i never was able to get such good instructions
[23:42] <asac`> let me try with my 08 image here :)
[23:42]  * popey runs off to bed while you do that
[23:42] <popey> nn
[23:43] <Saviq> asac`, easiest to repro on Music and Videos, being the far-left / far-right scopes
[23:43] <asac`> i dont know what swipt to sides mean ... butr i remember me usually pulling the thick separator down all the time because i need my fingers to fiddly
[23:43] <asac`> so i am sure i ended up in that :)
[23:44] <Saviq> asac`, k, will be fixed in tomorrow's daily
[23:44] <asac`> now i want to reproduce
[23:44] <asac`> you say i go to videos
[23:44] <asac`> pull stuff down as far as i can (half screen thick separator)
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, no no
[23:45] <asac`> and then i swipe without releasing to left?
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, pull it up
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, so the separator is cut in half
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, at the top
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, then try to swipe away from Home (left?)
[23:45] <Saviq> asac`, the header should come in, but overlapping the content
[23:46] <Saviq> doesn't always happen, though
[23:47] <asac`> yeah nice... now at least the HOME is floating mid screen already
[23:47] <asac`> i think thatsw what happened first
[23:47] <asac`> then at some point everything was going up and all was purple :)
[23:48] <asac`> yay
[23:48] <asac`> clean screen
[23:48] <asac`> nice
[23:48] <asac`> Saviq: thx...thats the bug i was talking about yesterday
[23:48] <asac`> :)
[23:48] <asac`> guess should reboot now before staring continuing my test experiments
[23:49] <Saviq> asac`, good, fixed!
[23:49] <asac`> or... how can i restart shell through adb?
[23:49] <Saviq> asac`, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/CODING
[23:49] <asac`> killall unity8 restarted stuff
[23:50] <Saviq> asac`, yeah, if you wanted just that
[23:50] <Saviq> asac`, then "restart ubuntu-touch-session" works, too
[23:50] <asac`> ok its very easy to reproduce now for me... so surely can confirm once its landed
[23:50] <Saviq> asac`, killing the shell does the same, really
[23:50]  * Saviq just noticed I *just* made the daily release curfew
[23:51] <asac`> curfew? whats that?
[23:51] <Saviq> asac`, everything for daily release should be in trunk by 0000UTC
[23:52] <Saviq> asac`, otherwise it might only get picked up the next day
[23:52] <asac`> ic
[23:52] <asac`> for a moment i thought you we didnt allow uploads for certain timzones :)
[23:53] <asac`> so guess that means that 10 will be our best image since container flip :)
[23:53] <asac`> Saviq: i guess you were not able to add a regression test for this phenomenon?
[23:54] <Saviq> asac`, we did
[23:54] <asac`> nice
[23:54] <asac`> is that in autopilot unity8?
[23:54] <Saviq> asac`, although disabled for now as it's mightily unstable (the test) with Qt 5.0
[23:54] <asac`> or a build time test?
[23:54] <Saviq> asac`, that particular thing is a build-time test
[23:54] <asac`> kk
[23:55] <Saviq> asac`, or it might be qmluitest (a kind of autopilot, but internal to QML)
[23:55] <Saviq> asac`, we're testing bits of UI in isolation with that
[23:55] <asac`> but also build time?
[23:55] <Saviq> asac`, in CI
[23:55] <asac`> or can we also include that in our daily image tests?
[23:55] <asac`> hmm. how do i run those?
[23:55] <Saviq> asac`, make qmluitests in unity8 trunk
[23:56] <Saviq> asac`, mind you it requires OpenGL
[23:56] <asac`> so its build time... not something we can run against done images easily
[23:56] <asac`> and its desktop not phone
[23:56] <asac`> (opengl)
[23:56] <Saviq> asac`, /es
[23:56] <asac`> kk
[23:56] <Saviq> asac`, would work on phone just fine
[23:56] <Saviq> asac`, just we're not packaging them (we're thinking of doing that, though)
[23:57] <asac`> the bad about build time tests is really that we really would prefer to do cross building before the end of the decade :)
[23:57] <asac`> ah... yueah once packaged that works again
[23:57] <Saviq> asac`, yup
[23:57] <asac`> we should package all and run all out of builders
[23:57] <asac`> :)
[23:57] <asac`> death-of-the-make-check-syndrom :)...
[23:57] <Saviq> asac`, otoh some of them require a bigger screen
[23:58] <Saviq> asac`, and autopilot tests will really test most of the same
[23:58] <asac`> ok. guess we should look at that after all the autopilot stuff is done
[23:58] <Saviq> asac`, only out of isolation
[23:58] <Saviq> asac`, so yeah, let's revisit when we decide we don't have enough testing ;d


[20:52] <daker> anyone wants to do reviews ?
[22:55] <daker_> mhall119: ping
[23:25] <mhall119> daker_: pong
[23:28] <daker_> mhall119: http://pastebin.com/x5Xkf1kB


[04:08] <falco> hi
[04:09] <falco> any of you can tell-me who is the author of rosetta?
[04:09] <falco> tell me
[04:11] <falco> enrico: ?
[04:11] <falco> sivang: ?
[04:14] <sivang> falco: yes
[04:15] <sivang> what's up falco ?
[04:15] <falco> I would like to know who is the creator of rosetta portal
[04:16] <falco> there's people who would like to deploy it for other projects
[04:17] <sivang> they would be able to do that when launchpad is ready, I don't think this can be done now.
[04:18] <falco> ok
[04:18] <falco> thanks
[04:18] <falco> :)
[04:18] <sivang> no prob :)
[04:53] <enrico> falco: hello!
[04:53] <enrico> falco: the Rosetta guy is Dafydd Harries
[04:53] <enrico> just in case you want to ask him anyway
[04:54] <falco> thanks
[04:54] <falco> :)
[04:59] <sivang> falco: ah right, his nickname is "daf"
[04:59] <falco> thanks again
[04:59] <falco> :)
[11:56] <sivang> hey enrico , what' sup??
[11:59] <enrico> hi
[11:59] <enrico> working working working...


[00:57] <Eickmeyer> @tsimonq2: RE: pulseeffects & lsp-plugins: I have the feeling that lsp-plugins won't get accepted. lsp-plugins will not build (and is not supported for building) on PowerPC and s390x. Unless that's not a show-stopper. Therefore, pulseeffects, since it depends on lsp-plugins, would be broken in powerpc and s390x.
[01:10] <Eickmeyer> Correct me if I'm wrong.
 it wont migrate from proposed no, but AA might override unless you define in the packaging the compatible arches.
 it could still be rejected though.
 @Eickmeyer ^
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: That was regarding Debian.


[02:22] <yaboo> got a issue, have 12.04 desktop, and not able to configure the network to a static ip. tried the control panel stuff but when I choose manual the save button is blanked out.
[02:50] <RAOF> yaboo: This isn't a support channel; you're after #ubuntu
[02:51] <yaboo> RAOF thanks
[03:05] <RAOF> Ah, ok. So, the reason why this is so annoyingly slow is because the CPU appears to have downclocked itself to 200MHz.
[03:59] <Chucrute301> Happy Christmas !!!!
[03:59] <Chucrute301> Feliz Natal!!!!
[20:44] <bjsnider> is there a way an app can detect whether global menus are being used or not?
[21:26] <robru> merrrrry christmas!


[02:29] <notlikethesoup> i have two electrics and an acoustic; i love my elec
[13:02] <shakes808> morning
[13:02] <shakes808> https://opensource.com/article/17/5/ktype-mechanical-keyboard-giveaway
[13:06] <notlikethesoup> I just realize how silly what I said was; one of my electrics is an Epiphone Les Paul and that's the one I super love
[13:08] <cmaloney> morning
[13:08] <shakes808> notlikethesoup: that is a killer axe!  What style / color do you have?
[13:09] <shakes808> this is what i have for a bass: http://classicandcoolguitars.co.uk/images/hohnerprobbassv/bbassvpro1.jpg
[13:09] <notlikethesoup> shakes808: thanks! cherry sunburst with. black pick guard, knobs, and gold tuning pegs and pickups
[13:09] <shakes808> nice
[13:09] <notlikethesoup> http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/Les-Paul-Custom-Flametop-Electric-Guitar-Wine-Red/518321000025000-00-500x500.jpg
[13:10] <notlikethesoup> literally that
[13:10] <notlikethesoup> I absolutely love it
[13:10] <shakes808> classic
[13:10] <shakes808> i had this guy too
[13:10] <shakes808> http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez/GSR200-4-String-Electric-Bass-519524.gc
[13:10] <notlikethesoup> sadly I think there's a wiring issue; one of the pickup doesn't work
[13:10] <notlikethesoup> doesn't always* work
[13:10] <shakes808> should be an easy fix.
[13:10] <shakes808> might just need a bit of solder
[13:10] <notlikethesoup> I love that red
[13:11] <notlikethesoup> yeah I've never soldered before :/
[13:11] <shakes808> or just get some new pickups :)
[13:11] <notlikethesoup> well I sorta think this issue is in the pickup switch
[13:11] <shakes808> there isn't much that goes into that stuff.
[13:11] <notlikethesoup> this sounds weird, but if I wiggle it a bit and then select that pickup, often it will work for a bit
[13:11] <shakes808> a buddy of mine built his own and i was seeing pics of it throughout the process
[13:12] <notlikethesoup> I forget which it is; it's the one that has less bass and mid tones
[13:12] <shakes808> pretty easy
[13:12] <notlikethesoup> bridge?
[13:12] <shakes808> could be the pickups or the switch.  next time you need to change out the strings, you can take it apart :)
[13:12] <jrwren> what makes a les paul a les paul?
[13:13] <notlikethesoup> the body shape?
[13:13] <notlikethesoup> I guess really that's what makes a lot of guitars what they are
[13:13] <shakes808> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Paul
[13:13] <notlikethesoup> though there are many similar style to a Les Paul
[13:13] <jrwren> shakes808: ha! that Ibanez is on my amazon wish list :)
[13:14] <shakes808> for being a cheap on, it is nice
[13:14] <jrwren> surely that wikipedia page is about the person, not the guitar.
[13:14] <jrwren> shakes808: yeah, i figured its a nice one to learn and play on.
[13:14] <notlikethesoup> it is lol
[13:14] <notlikethesoup> but you can go to the guitar from the top of that page
[13:14] <jrwren> ok, whew.
[13:14] <shakes808> " He was one of the pioneers of the solid-body electric guitar, which made the sound of rock and roll possible."
[13:14] <jrwren> i was going to cry if it wasn't.   I have a Yamaha that the strings are lowered as well, but have normal / thicker strings on it :)
[13:29] <shakes808> oh man is it!!!
[13:29] <jrwren> lowered the strings?
[13:30] <shakes808> my buddy's step father has an old american strat ... oh how sweet that sounds :)  and he has a mexican newer strat, still sounds nice, but not as nice as the american one :)
[13:30] <cmaloney> closer to the pickups
[13:30] <jrwren> ah, i see.
[13:30] <cmaloney> likely different sounds / tapping abilities
[13:30] <shakes808> yeah, you can lower the strings so that they are easier on the fingers.
[13:30] <jrwren> i've always heard that described as adjusting the action, but I guess when the goal isn't fretboard distance, it can be called something else.
[13:31] <shakes808> yeah, lowered the action.  didn't know if you knew what that meant :) sorry
[13:31] <cmaloney> humbuckimg duophonic stratodopolous
[13:31] <shakes808> it is so you don't have to press down as far to get the notes to play
[13:32] <jrwren> yes, I need to adjust the action on my other epiphone. its so far its very difficult to play the lower frets
[13:32] <shakes808> yeah, it is nice :)
[13:34] <shakes808> http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o47/ANDREW_SHOULD_DIE/shim_explanation.gif
[13:34] <cmaloney> nice album name
[13:35] <shakes808> haha
[19:16] <notlikethesoup> man i'm starting to play my guitars more, my calluses aren't what they used to be
[19:16] <jrwren> i've got calluses like I've never had because I'm a new player.
[19:16] <notlikethesoup> oh man
[19:16] <notlikethesoup> yeah i started on acoustic and shredded the hell out of my fingers
[19:17] <notlikethesoup> but i haven't hardly played the last several years
[19:17] <jrwren> gotta start on accoustic with heavy strings... so that you get huge finger strength :)
[19:17] <jrwren> then if you choose to do lightweight you cn really shred :)