[08:40]  * genii sips
[09:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:24] <soee> good morning
[09:24] <genii> Good morning
[09:28] <lordievader> Hey soee, genii. How are you two?
[09:29] <genii> lordievader: Trying to stay awake until Olympic Hockey final Canada vs Sweden starts
[09:29] <genii> And we're out of coffee here
[09:29] <lordievader> genii: Switch to the disgusting Redbull.
[09:30] <genii> I'd have to walk 30-40 minutes to a store that sells it
[09:31] <genii> And then I'd buy a tin of coffee there
[09:31]  * valorie shares the cold brew coffee with genii
[09:31] <soee> it's beautiful morning here in Polnad :) i feel so good :D
[09:33]  * genii bearhugs valorie
[09:36] <valorie> "-)
[09:36] <valorie> coffee is for sharing
[09:36] <valorie> oooo, lopsided smiley
[09:36] <valorie> :-)
[09:37] <genii> Well, unless it's the last cup. Then every man ( or woman) for themselves
[09:37] <valorie> I always have a batch in the fridge, ready for straining
[09:38] <valorie> 98 nicks.... not sure I could give a cuppa to everyone though
[09:38] <valorie> but there is always tea
[09:47] <genii> Blackcurrant tea rocks
[12:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1283692] My graphic card seems incompatible with Kubuntu 13.10 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1283692 (by genetin)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:27] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: hi
[13:27] <Quintasan> yofel: This is probably the worst semester I've ever had
[13:27] <Quintasan> Last exam is tomorrow and the next semester beings the day after tomorrow
[13:27] <Quintasan> yofel: and guess what, even more Java ;_;
[13:27]  * Quintasan cringes
[13:30] <yofel> that's an early semester start o.O
[13:32] <BluesKaj> hi Quintasan ,good luck with your exam
[13:32] <Quintasan> yofel: More like lack or break
[13:32] <Quintasan> of*
[13:32] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Thanks, there is no knowledge needed on that exam
[13:33]  * Quintasan believes the prof basically rolls d6 and that's your grade
[13:35] <Quintasan> yofel: Speaking of studies, this semester I'm having Software Engineering 101
[13:35] <Quintasan> Apparently it's UML and more UML
[13:36] <Quintasan> and we will be desining an application for the whole semester not to code it in the end :D
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, good one :)
[13:39] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Tell me more about - tomorrow is the third attempt
[13:39] <Quintasan> I didn't manage to "roll" a positive grade last two times
[13:39]  * Quintasan shrugs
[13:39] <Quintasan> I don't even know how things work here anymore
[13:42] <yofel> Quintasan: sounds very useful.
[13:42] <yofel> Then again, there are code generators, so there's some point to it
[13:53] <Quintasan> I'll decide on that when the course starts.
[13:53] <Quintasan> But it doesn't sound very interesting
[16:27] <jussi> bit disappointing, the lack of orders for the female shirts  :/
[16:29] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder what t-shirt size Nim is
[16:29] <Riddell> I should probably know this
[16:32] <apachelogger> bug 1283753 a sleep
[16:32] <apachelogger> I broke the bots
[16:32] <apachelogger> zomg
[16:37]  * ahoneybun needs to order a shirt
[16:51] <apachelogger> !info digikam trusty
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: isn't 4.0.0 out already?
[16:52] <apachelogger> oh, still beta
[17:05]  * apachelogger sighs and cries a bit
[17:05] <apachelogger> the digikam tarball
[17:05] <apachelogger> wtf
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6982710/ a useful description exactly?
[17:19] <apachelogger>  File digikam_3.5.0-0ubuntu7.debian.tar.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[17:19] <apachelogger> ....
[17:20] <apachelogger> pitti :@
[17:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: Don't forget about Umbrello for your UML needs.
[17:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: don't forget to plan trice the time for uml if you use umbrello
[17:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: no and it won't be out until june or so
[19:24] <Riddell> somebody nominated me for an award, up against gnome Mike McQuaid http://www.opensourceawards.org/index.php/awards-shortlist
[19:36] <jussi> can we have LIM also please someone?
[19:39] <Riddell> LIM?
[19:39] <jussi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzFXRz-b3Ns&feature=youtu.be
[21:03] <ahoneybun> hello people
[21:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1283820] content of windows (and desktop) appear black when using kwin, but not with kwin_gles - in... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1283820 (by avlas)
[21:45] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun
[21:47] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[22:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1283820] content of windows (and desktop) appear black when using kwin, but not with kwin_gles - in... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1283820 (by avlas)


[02:57] <Sarvatt> woo baby, this amd z430 proprietary driver makes psb look like a dream - insmod: page allocation failure. order:12, mode:0xd1
[02:58] <RAOF> What's the order of an allocation?  I'm vaguely aware that it's something to do with its size?
[02:58] <Sarvatt> people are going to love it when arm netbooks get popular since poulsbo is a nice taste of what everyone using arm has to put up with :)
[03:01] <RAOF> Aren't we just going to assume that something's put a framebuffer somewhere we can scribble to and just use the super-fast CPU to do all the rendering? :)
[03:13] <Sarvatt> RAOF: tell that to the people complaining about poulsbo :)
[03:14] <Sarvatt> omapfb looks really nice though, even has KMS now
[03:16] <Sarvatt> RAOF: when are you arriving in brussels?
[03:17] <Sarvatt> bought a second 10 hour battery for the trip :) then I found out lucid is using ~2 watts more than it was a few months ago
[03:17] <RAOF> Sunday, early evening.
[03:18] <Sarvatt> brightness on minimum and everything disabled and i'm using around 8.8 watts idle, ugh
[03:19] <Sarvatt> was down to 6.7 at one point
[03:19] <RAOF> Yeah, I think it did pick up a bit.
[03:23] <bjsnider> shuttleworth says he's going to have the menubar integrated into the panel like on osx. i didn't know that was in the works.
[03:24] <bjsnider> in UNR anyway
[03:24] <Sarvatt> that GMA600 is odd, looks like its based on the same powervr 535 as poulsbo but its right on the cpu instead of external now, hope it doesn't make its way into netbooks :)
[03:25] <Sarvatt> osx doesn't have the menu bar in the panel
[03:25] <Sarvatt> does it?
[03:25] <bjsnider> it does
[03:26] <Sarvatt> i thought he was saying it was going to go a step further and put the menu bar in the panel
[03:26] <Sarvatt> is that a snow leopard thing or something? i'm stuck on 10.5.x because my only mac is a powerpc
[03:26] <bjsnider> when you o pen a new app, the menu bar does not appear in the top panel?
[03:28] <Sarvatt> nope
[03:28] <bjsnider> i don't know how to explain that, since it does in every mac i've seen
[03:29] <bjsnider> maybe you've got it all hacked up or something?
[03:30] <bjsnider> http://www.bleedyellow.com/blogs/Simon/resource/NotesDesignerinParallels5.jpg
[03:31] <bjsnider> you can see in that shot lotus notes has its menu bar int he panel, not in the windows
[03:31] <bjsnider> the active windows does anyway
[03:31] <RAOF> Man, windows 7 chrome looks terribly out of place on OS X. :)
[03:32] <Sarvatt> sheesh, shows how much I use osx, I really dont remember that
[03:33] <Sarvatt> i hope the whole title bar goes up there, close/maximize/minimize and all
[03:33] <bjsnider> i guess it's a gui design philosophy where you have only one location for the menubar no matter what window you're looking at
[03:33] <Sarvatt> i love maximus and window picker applet on my netbook
[03:34] <Sarvatt> just wish i could ditch the title bars on most apps, thats the main reason i use chromium
[03:35] <Sarvatt> next pc is going to be a 11.6" 1366x768 for sure, finally starting to feel cramped on this 8.9" 1024x600 after 2 years :D
[03:36]  * RAOF holds off on a “why can't they provide me with a decent screen resolution” rant.
[03:37] <RAOF> 11.6" is probably a good size, though.
[03:38] <Sarvatt> i'm addicted to the portability, can fit this thing in a cargo pocket and i spend most of my time online out of the house :)
[03:40] <bjsnider> if they turn the resolution way up on a physically small screen, things like window titlebars and images and so forth would end up being too small to be practical
[03:43] <Sarvatt> yeah 8.9" 1024x600 looks amazing compared to how crappy 15.4" 1280x800 on all my other laptops are, looks sharper than my 24" 1920x1200 screens too
[03:46] <Sarvatt> RAOF: thanks for signing me up for some of the sprints, i'm still trying to work out what to do there
[03:46] <RAOF> bjsnider: Which is why 200DPI mobile phone screens suck? :)
[03:48] <RAOF> GNOME is already reasonably good at resolution independence, which means that, by and large, the higher the resolution the easier it is to read stuff.
[03:54] <Sarvatt> ok the power problems are because of ondemand now, I'm convinced :)
[03:54] <Sarvatt> switched to conservative and my idle power usage dropped from 9.1 to 7.6 watts
[03:59] <bjsnider> RAOF, i wuldn't know, because i don't have a mobile phone or any other handheld device
[03:59] <bjsnider> i seriously doubt they're 200dpi though
[03:59] <RAOF> I think the Nexus One is ~250DPI?
[04:00] <RAOF> They're like 860x480 in 2"
[04:00] <RAOF> They're high DPI displays.
[04:01] <RAOF> And the sooner we get 300DPI screens on my desktop, the sooner we can stop futzing around with crazy antialiasing schemes.
[04:01] <bjsnider> wouldn't that take an enormous amount of power to run?
[04:02] <bjsnider> the sooner we get duterium-powered fusion reactors inside computers, the sooner we won't have to worry about power anymore
[04:02] <RAOF> I don't think the pixel-switching hardware takes anything but a fraction of the power of the backlight on LCD displays; that's one reason why LED backlights are such a win.
[05:40] <Bernardo|away> good morning
[08:56] <RAOF> apw: Yo!
[08:56] <apw> RAOF, hi ya
[08:57] <RAOF> You rang, m'lud?
[08:57] <apw> RAOF, must have been sometime ago :)  i think i sent you all an email in the end
[08:58] <apw> i was thinking though that we need to interlock between graphics and kernel a bit more regularly while we clean up KMS
[08:58] <RAOF> Yeah.
[08:59] <RAOF> We'll be able to cover some of that ground in the X/kernel “video bugs in the KMS world” session I've signed you for :)
[09:00] <RAOF> Gah.  Signed you up for!
[09:02] <RAOF> The video drivers do try to work against arbitrary kernel versions (with the exception of nouveau), but that doesn't necessarily work :)
[09:03] <apw> heh indeed :)  they have made the world a complex place for us
[09:22] <RAOF> Ah!  *There's* your mail; hiding in all the bugmail evolution is struggling to filter!
[09:31] <Ng> is failsafe X stuff still supposed to work? Booting a lucid machine without a monitor seems to lead to X not starting
[09:43] <RAOF> In an ideal world that *should* work, but I think it doesn't (may be driver dependent, though); X bails if there's nothing to display on.  There's a patch on the xorg ML to make it work better.
[16:51] <Sarvatt> ricotz: huh, why are the opengles specs even building without --enable-gles1 and --enable-gles2, they're supposed to default to no
[16:51] <Dr_Jakob> Sarvatt: kick krh in #dri-devel
[16:52] <Sarvatt> probably already been talked about, gotta read the scrollback :) just saw python-libxml2 was required to build mesa now
[16:53] <Dr_Jakob> not that I know about.
[16:57] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi, yeah i added this dep
[17:02] <Sarvatt> ricotz: did you try explicitly disabling gles1 and gles2 instead by any chance?
[17:03] <ricotz> Sarvatt, no
[17:23] <Sarvatt> darn, still cant copy everything to maverick
[17:25] <Sarvatt> got a llvmpipe enabled mesa here waiting to build, want to be sure its right before pushing the changes to git - https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing/+build/1719309
[17:28] <outlaw45> hi
[18:11] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, when is the updated nvidia blob going to be in lucid?
[18:13] <Sarvatt> no idea, hopefully not never :)
[18:16] <furan> anyone know where psb progress is?
[18:18] <bryceh> check the toilet
[18:18] <furan> herp derp
[18:25] <tseliot> bryceh: lol
[18:26] <bryceh> heya tseliot
[18:27] <tseliot> ;)
[18:27] <lucazade> hi
[18:27] <outlaw45> hi
[18:27] <tseliot> bjsnider: I think it would be something for the x-updates ppa, unless the new nvidia driver fixes some bugs which are worth an SRU
[18:28] <outlaw45> should'nt xf86Resources.h be profided by xserver-xorg-dev
[18:28] <bjsnider> it adds support for a new line of chips that are being released this month
[18:29] <Sarvatt> tseliot: yeah 195.36.16 doesn't support the whole new generation of GPU's just released
[18:30] <jcristau> outlaw45: not anymore
[18:30] <jcristau> RAC has been removed
[18:31] <outlaw45> @jcristau: pretty much read the same in a bug report
[18:31] <outlaw45> any workaround?
[18:31] <tseliot> Sarvatt: I think it's common practice not to do SRUs to update nvidia drivers unless they fix bugs. I don't think the lack of support for new models is a bug. It would be worth asking the desktop team about this though
[18:33] <lucazade> @outlaw45 how can i help? any news?
[18:33] <jcristau> outlaw45: don't include it.
[18:33] <jcristau> outlaw45: and don't call the functions that used to be declared there
[18:33] <outlaw45> @lucazade: can you build xserver-xorg-video-psb?
[18:33] <lucazade> going to try it..
[18:34] <outlaw45> Bernardo said on the forum he was able to build them, but I get errors..
[18:34] <outlaw45> @jcristau: I'm not a C programmer so not including and solving bugs is pretty hard for me
[18:35] <jcristau> then learn C or get someone else to fix it..
[18:35] <outlaw45> am a Java programmer and C and especially X drivers are a completely different story..
[18:35] <Sarvatt> outlaw45: you aren't applying xorg-x11-drv-psb-0.31.0-xserver17.patch then
[18:36] <bryceh> Sarvatt, stick -nvidia updates in x-updates
[18:36] <Sarvatt> bryceh: I have been! :D
[18:37] <outlaw45> @Sarvatt: you're probably right, I'll clean up.. ;)
[18:37] <bryceh> Sarvatt, perfect
[19:00] <lucazade> outlaw45: still have 'libdrm not found' building xserver-xorg-video-psb
[19:03] <outlaw45> you have to symlink /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc to /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc
[19:03] <outlaw45> sorry last path is /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[19:04] <lucazade> ln -s /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[19:04] <lucazade> ?
[19:05] <outlaw45> yep
[19:09] <Sarvatt> boo - /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lffi
[19:09] <lucazade> xorg-server-psb succesfully built (also dbg package)
[19:09] <lucazade> i'll try xpsb-glx
[19:11] <Sarvatt> i guess llvm-dev isn't enough for llvmpipe, was going by what nano src/gallium/drivers/llvmpipe/README said
[19:11] <Sarvatt> err minus the nano :D
[19:14] <outlaw45> @lucazade: installed everything and the result's the same
[19:15] <lucazade> X always crash?
[19:15] <outlaw45> looked a minute at Xorg.log but nothing caught my eye,
[19:15] <outlaw45> no, am able to get into gdm
[19:15] <outlaw45> and that's stable, but it crashes if you login
[19:16] <lucazade> ok
[19:16] <outlaw45> but have to hook my keyboard to the tablet
[19:16] <outlaw45> back in a min..
[19:16] <federico1> dum de dum
[19:17] <federico1> does chase douglas hang around here?
[19:17] <federico1> he has a pretty interesting patch in bgo#610482 but I have some questions
[19:23] <bryceh> federico1, try #ubuntu-kernel maybe
[19:23] <federico1> bryceh: cool, thanks
[19:56] <lucazade> outlaw45: Xorg.0.log looks like normal
[19:56] <lucazade> is there any debug log?
[19:56] <outlaw45> I have a backtrace in Xorg.0.log.old
[19:57] <outlaw45> but can't find anything else
[19:57] <lucazade> ok seen
[19:58] <Bernardo|away> hi
[19:58] <outlaw45> hi
[19:58] <lucazade> hi
[19:59] <Bernardo> I see that you guys haven't made much progress also
[19:59] <outlaw45> no...
[20:00] <Bernardo> as anyone tried to remove the libGL redirections?
[20:00] <Bernardo> has
[20:00] <lucazade> no
[20:00] <outlaw45> the dpkg --divert you posted on the forum?
[20:01] <Bernardo> I'll try if it makes any difference
[20:01] <lucazade> trying
[20:01] <Bernardo> yes, even though I posted it for karmic
[20:01] <Bernardo> we are building libGL in the lucid package
[20:02] <outlaw45> I tried it after building lbdrm package
[20:02] <outlaw45> but I didn't have any .xlibmesa files
[20:03] <Bernardo> the redirection is done by xpsb-glx, so until you install it you won't have any .xlibmesa files
[20:04] <Bernardo> I'm trying to change xpsb-glx now to generate debug packages also
[20:04] <outlaw45> I rebuild and installed libdrm, xpsb and psb driver
[20:04] <Bernardo> so we can get anything valid out of the backtrace
[20:04] <outlaw45> but /usr/lib/psb/ is empty
[20:05] <lucazade> here too
[20:05] <outlaw45> Backtrace:
[20:05] <outlaw45> 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e937b]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 1: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x61c7d) [0x80a9c7d]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xdcc410]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 3: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0x6c8000+0x4cf10) [0x714f10]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 4: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0x6c8000+0x147e3) [0x6dc7e3]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 5: /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (pixman_blt+0x78) [0x7021e8]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 6: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (fbCopyNtoN+0x24d) [0xba905d]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 7: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x19e) [0x819ca5e]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 8: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x44d) [0x819cffd]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 9: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (fbCopyArea+0x78) [0xba85c8]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 10: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0xed90) [0xc9bd90]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 11: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0x95c6) [0xc965c6]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 12: /usr/bin/X (miCopyRegion+0x19e) [0x819ca5e]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 13: /usr/bin/X (miDoCopy+0x44d) [0x819cffd]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 14: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so (0xc8d000+0x7a4a) [0xc94a4a]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 15: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0xda9c3) [0x81229c3]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 16: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x28df5) [0x8070df5]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 17: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x2a477) [0x8072477]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 18: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1ed7a) [0x8066d7a]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 19: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0x74ebd6]
[20:05] <outlaw45> 20: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1e961) [0x8066961]
[20:05] <outlaw45> Segmentation fault at address 0x9fc
[20:06] <outlaw45> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[20:06] <outlaw45> got that backtrace in Xorg.0.log.olg
[20:06] <outlaw45> Xorg.0.log.old
[20:06] <lucazade> mine backtrace is similar
[20:06] <lucazade> my
[20:08] <lucazade> applied divert.. same crashes
[20:09] <Bernardo> mmm
[20:09] <lucazade> but /usr/lib/psb/ is empty and xpsb-glx is installed
[20:10] <Bernardo> strange, I have those filled, and the redirection is there
[20:10] <lucazade> is your a clean install of lucid or upgrade?
[20:11] <Bernardo> I'm trying now to get it to build debug packages
[20:11] <Bernardo> clean
[20:11] <lucazade> mm strange
[20:11] <lucazade> i could try installing your xpsb-glx file?
[20:11] <Bernardo> yep
[20:11] <Bernardo> one sec
[20:11] <lucazade> ok
[20:12]  * Bernardo has to find how to send files in kvirc...
[20:13] <outlaw45> (EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!(EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!
[20:13] <outlaw45> oops.. (EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!
[20:13] <Bernardo> outlaw45: I get that sometimes even in karmic
[20:13] <Bernardo> reboot and try again
[20:13] <lucazade> me too
[20:14] <outlaw45> X starts even with that error
[20:15] <lucazade> Bernardo file transfer died.. don't know y
[20:18] <Bernardo> I'll start again now, might be my firewall
[20:18] <lucazade> i see file request.. but transfer doesn't start (maybe because im on pidgin irc)
[20:18] <Bernardo> ah
[20:18] <Bernardo> :)
[20:20] <lucazade> could you mail it to me?
[20:20] <Bernardo> yep, I was just asking your email address in private
[20:28] <Bernardo> did you get it?
[20:28] <lucazade> yes yes
[20:29] <outlaw45> have to go.. I'll check the forum for your progress..
[20:29] <outlaw45> cya
[20:29] <lucazade> ok see u
[20:30] <bjsnider> nice posts on phoronix today libv
[20:31] <lucazade> /usr/lib/psb still empty
[20:43] <Bernardo> lucazade: that is strange
[20:43] <lucazade> yes
[20:43] <Bernardo> that is the exact package I installed here
[20:43] <lucazade> :)
[20:43] <Bernardo> and it did the redirection
[20:44] <lucazade> i've no idea why is different here
[20:46] <lucazade> Bernardo: reisntalling  psb-kernel-source i get 2 named psb.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.31
[20:46] <lucazade> and also 2 drm-psb.ko
[20:49] <Bernardo> where?
[20:50] <lucazade> in /lib/modules/2.6.31 during dkms building
[20:50] <lucazade> got a kernel panic!
[20:50] <lucazade> ugh
[20:52] <Bernardo> ouch
[20:53] <Bernardo> I know we need to clean the build process as it is trying to install in /lib/modules/<version>/extra
[20:54] <Bernardo> but never had a kernel panic in dkms
[20:55] <lucazade> i was playing modprobing psb and drm_psb by hand and startx caused a kernel panic
[20:59] <Bernardo> I've finished rebuilding xpsb-glx
[20:59] <Bernardo> with debug symbols
[21:00] <lucazade> hope thius will help
[21:00] <Bernardo> installed, rebooting the netbook
[21:10] <Bernardo> in kde4, waiting for it to crash
[21:14] <Bernardo> and it won't... :)
[21:14] <lucazade> ehhhhh
[21:14] <Bernardo> yep
[21:14] <Bernardo> now I want it to crash, and it won't
[21:15] <lucazade> hehe better
[21:16] <Sarvatt> jcristau: dri2.proto isn't getting installed with xtrace, is it just a matter of adding dri2.proto to dist_pkgdata_DATA in Makefile.am?
[21:16] <Bernardo> really, it won't crash. What is wrong with the damn drivers?
[21:16] <Bernardo> lucazade: I'm sending you now the latest attempt
[21:17] <lucazade> only xpsb? could you send me all the packages updated?
[21:19] <Bernardo> sure, I'll up them on svn again
[21:19] <lucazade> ok
[21:20] <jcristau> Sarvatt: ah probably
[21:20] <Bernardo> ok, finally crashed
[21:20] <Sarvatt> err Makefile.in sorry
[21:20] <Bernardo> with a ls in a console
[21:20] <lucazade> gh
[21:22] <jcristau> Sarvatt: fixed
[21:23] <Bernardo> ok, ls crashes it regularly
[21:23] <lucazade> a simple ls...
[21:23] <Sarvatt> \o/ thanks again for doing that
[21:28] <Sarvatt> boo, even more now :D robert@asuka{~}:xtrace -D :5 > dri2.xtrace
[21:28] <Sarvatt> Unable to find 'genericevents.proto' in search path!
[21:28] <lucazade> Bernardo trying debug debs
[21:30] <Sarvatt> genericevents.proto is the last one, works adding that one too
[21:31] <Bernardo> lucazade: I'm also installing debug for libpixman-1-0
[21:32] <Sarvatt> jcristau: looks to be working good here, you rock :)  http://sarvatt.com/downloads/glxgears.xtrace.txt
[21:32] <Bernardo> the backtrace is becomming more detailed
[21:32] <jcristau> Sarvatt: fixed again..
[21:33] <lucazade> looks like there is some issue with icons, in gdm and in desktop (before it crash)
[21:34] <lucazade> not able to load icons
[21:34] <Bernardo> I'm also installing xserver-xorg-core-dbg
[21:35] <Bernardo> in kde it loads most of them
[21:35] <Bernardo> but they are svg
[21:35] <lucazade> yes
[21:35] <lucazade> png are broken
[21:35] <lucazade> notify osd uses svg and it works
[21:37] <lucazade> libpixman is about icons?
[21:38] <Bernardo> Description: pixel-manipulation library for X and cairo
[21:38] <Bernardo> so not directly, but maybe related
[21:39] <Bernardo> and now it is refusing to crash again... Adding debug seems to delay the crash
[21:39] <lucazade> here (on gnome crash the same as before)
[21:43] <Bernardo> ok, seems to be in miDoCopy in X, which then calls libexa
[21:45] <Bernardo> unfortunately, even installing xserver-xorg-core-dbg doesn't add detail to that so
[21:46] <lucazade> arg
[21:46] <lucazade> was trying to disable aiglx and composite
[21:48] <lucazade> Bernardo what else can we do?
[21:48] <lucazade> (crying)
[21:50] <Bernardo> gdb, add debug to psb, lets go hunting needles in a haystack
[21:51] <Bernardo> at least we now it is inside fbCopyArea
[21:52] <Bernardo> so we check routines in the psb driver that might be related to copying bitmaps to/from the framebuffer
[21:52] <lucazade> right... i bet on pitmaps
[21:53] <lucazade> Bernardo: i'm going out to make my brain get fresh air.. i'll back in a couple of hour.. i'll look here or on the forum for any news
[21:53] <Bernardo> ok
[21:54] <Bernardo> I'll also leave soon, maybe someone will have an idea
[21:54] <lucazade> ok see you soon
[21:55] <Bernardo> 'night
[21:55] <lucazade> good night
[22:07] <Sarvatt> well thats something I didn't expect, quadrapassel actually works with i915 gallium and not mesa classic :D hasn't worked since upgrading xorg-edgers to xserver 1.8
[22:10] <Sarvatt> not sure what to do with the libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium stuff, aiglx expects things to be in /usr/lib/dri and doesn't respect --with-dri-searchpath paths
[22:13] <Sarvatt> need to figure out what else llvmpipe needs too
[22:13] <Sarvatt> g++  -L/usr/lib/llvm/lib  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm  lp_test_format.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_format -Wl,--start-group   -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lXdamage -lXfixes   -ldrm   -lm -lpthread -ldl -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVMBitWriter -lLLVMX86CodeGen -lLLVMX86Info -lLLVMSelectionDAG -lLLVMAsmPrinter -lLLVMInterpreter -lLLVMJIT -lLLVMExecutionEngine -lLLVMCodeGen -lLLVMScalarOpts -lLLVMInstCombine -lLLVMTransformUtils -lLLVMipa
[22:13] <Sarvatt> -lLLVMAnalysis -lLLVMTarget -lLLVMMC -lLLVMCore -lLLVMSupport -lLLVMSystem -L/usr/lib/llvm/lib -lstdc++ -Wl,--end-group
[22:13] <Sarvatt> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lffi
[22:20] <Sarvatt> duh, libffi-dev :D
[23:13] <bdmurray> During Lucid's development my wacom device lost some evdev properties like axis inversion and axes swap.
[23:14] <bdmurray> Is there a particular package I should try reverting or a patch that might help?
[23:19] <jcristau> if it's using wacom it won't have evdev properties
[23:20] <bdmurray> jcristau: it used to during Lucid's development that was a mistake then?
[23:21] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: you want to do it through xsetwacom
[23:21] <Sarvatt> something like - http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1447925
[23:22] <Sarvatt> if was using evdev instead of wacom for a short period when there was no xf86-input-wacom that worked with xserver 1.7 yeah
[23:23] <bdmurray> Sarvatt: sweet, that looks like what I was doing
[23:24] <Sarvatt> yeah I remembered seeing your blog post and wondering what comic reader you were using :)
[23:24] <bdmurray> I was using qcomicbook but I'm trying out comix now
[23:25]  * Sarvatt is a diehard comix fan
[23:25] <bdmurray> I ran into a bug with it recently though
[23:25] <Sarvatt> not rendering bmp's?
[23:25] <bdmurray> no, page ordering for multi-page scans
[23:26] <Sarvatt> ah yeah thats pretty much fixed in svn too
[23:26] <Sarvatt> i noticed that with some naming schemes people used too but haven't had a problem with it since i built it last in october
[23:27] <bdmurray> and that's a later version than is packaged I take it?
[23:27] <Sarvatt> yep but it's python, dead simple to install. i think i might have packaged it actually, lets see
[23:28] <bdmurray> right, I forgot it was python
[23:31] <Sarvatt> comix is by far the most used program here, I'm a manga addict :) looking at the revision log it might not be fixed though and I just remembered I've had a few volumes i've had to manually extract first to view them right recently
[23:31] <bdmurray> here is the upstream issue I found
[23:31] <bdmurray> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2456807&group_id=146377&atid=764985
[23:37] <Sarvatt> uploaded 4.0.5 here but it'll take awhile to build - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa
[23:37] <Sarvatt> oh yuck that stinks
[23:38] <Sarvatt> people really name things that way?
[23:38] <bdmurray> so it seems
[23:38] <Sarvatt> they must all use cdisplay on windows where it actually works with that naming scheme :)
[23:39] <bdmurray> I thought maybe one could make a list of page numbers and if the differnce between items was greater than 2...
[23:41] <Sarvatt> did you see the comments?
[23:42] <bdmurray> yes, the last one?
[23:43] <Sarvatt> yeah, that would be really annoying if you have a lot of archives like that :(
[23:43] <bdmurray> using the editing dialog would be spoilerful too
[23:44] <bdmurray> so bug 570523 should be invalid then?
[23:48] <Sarvatt> yep, closed it with an explanation, the evdev properties were only there until mid feb. or so until xf86-input-wacom started working for your tablet
[23:48] <Sarvatt> you could use them now if you wanted to ditch wacom for evdev again
[23:54] <Sarvatt> bdmurray: have you seen https://edge.launchpad.net/~thjaeger/+archive/tabletpc/+sourcepub/1076480/+listing-archive-extra ?
[23:54] <bdmurray> nope
[23:55] <Sarvatt> automatically rotates the tablet when the display is rotated
[23:56] <bdmurray> I'll have to play with that then
[23:56] <bdmurray> Do you know the right way to turn on "Synaptics Palm Detection" regularly?
[23:57] <Sarvatt> Option "PalmDetect" "1" in xorg.conf
[23:58] <Sarvatt> or synclient PalmDetect=1?
[23:58] <Sarvatt> don't know what you mean by regularly
[23:58] <bdmurray> for every boot


[09:54] <jibel> mvo, hi
[09:55] <jibel> mvo, I pulled the latest rev of update-manager on aldebaran and wazn and re-ran the failed tests
[09:55] <jibel> mvo, only mythbuntu and edubuntu are failing now with a real failure.
[09:57] <jibel> mvo, g-s-d and unity-greeter are crashing, I'll try to get a stacktrace
[09:57] <mvo> jibel: aha, nice - so they both (myth, edu) run, but there are crashes during the upgrade?
[09:58] <mvo> jibel: btw, how often is the public jenkins updated? I still seem to be seeing old results
[09:58] <jibel> mvo, right.
[09:59] <jibel> mvo, that's because I forced the build of the jobs that failed only but results are published only when the main job is run.
[10:05] <mvo> aha, thanks!
[14:15] <rickspencer3> gema, do you have a link to the Jenkins instance handy?
[14:15] <gema> sure, just a sec
[14:16] <gema> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:16] <rickspencer3> ah, I was mising the ".qa"
[14:16] <rickspencer3> thanks gema
[14:16] <gema> np


[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <dholbach> mhall119: heya - I think I can mark "make Ubuntu base app happen first" as done in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-halloffame-rewrite? :)
[09:20] <Ronnie> dholbach: is there anything i can do for halloffame?
[09:21] <dholbach> Ronnie, yeah, sure - the idea was to first get the ubuntu django foundations sorted out, then settle on the models and then work through the bunch of bugs that are already filed for it
[09:22] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hall-of-fame (it's not that many bugs)
[09:22] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/HallOfFameRewrite is the spec for it
[09:23] <Ronnie> dholbach: ok, ill have a look this week
[09:23] <dholbach> sweet
[09:23]  * dholbach hugs Ronnie
[09:29] <czajkowski> My talk for FOSDEM got accepted :D
[09:35] <YoBoY> czajkowski: great :D
[13:01] <mhall119_> dholbach: I'm not done with the base app
[13:02] <mhall119_> I've just gotten it started
[13:02] <mhall119_> but bzr_apps was probably the most important piece
[13:03] <dholbach> mhall119_, what do you think is missing from it?
[13:20] <mhall119_> the sub-apps needs more cleanup
[13:20] <mhall119_> to remove the ld specific bits
[13:21] <mhall119_> I also want to add test cases to all of them, but that's not really necessary for HOF
[13:39] <dholbach> mhall119, alright - just wanted to know what's going on right now, since Ronnie asked about the HoF
[13:56] <Ronnie> mhall119: d oyou have any toughts about the user model in django foundations. how to add fields, for modules to the user?
[13:57] <Ronnie> im planning to create a 'supportmap'  app. but the users need the latitude and longitude
[15:08] <mhall119> Ronnie: for now we can add generic fields to the models we have, and work our way towards a usable 1.0 release
[15:08] <mhall119> after that, you'd either sub-class in your own apps, or we'd work new generic fields into the foundations apps on a 2.0 branch
[15:09] <mhall119> though I'm entertaining the idea of making all the foundation models abstract
[15:10] <mhall119> so you'd be forced to subclass them
[15:10] <mhall119> but I'm not sure there's any real benefit to that
[15:13] <nigelb> mhall119: hi, do you have a min to help me understand how to calculate locla time in summit?
[15:14] <nigelb> *local
[15:15] <mhall119> nigelb: sure
[15:15] <nigelb> ok, right now I'm taking a datetime.date.today() which is wrong.
[15:16] <nigelb> how do I account for the local tz?
[15:17] <mhall119> nigelb: look at LD's venue model
[15:17] <mhall119> I usesd the pytz module
[15:17] <dholbach> datetime.date will always just give you a date, not a time
[15:17] <nigelb> dholbach: I forget, I wanted date :)
[15:17] <nigelb> but the time influences date
[15:18] <nigelb> I'll just show what I did.
[15:18] <mhall119> nigelb: specifically the Venue.fromlocaltime and Venue.tolocaltime
[15:18] <nigelb> https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/summit/fix-today
[15:18] <mhall119> you'll see how I use a timezone string to convert the datetimes
[15:19] <nigelb> mhall119: but the question is if I get access to this in the urls.py file.
[15:20] <mhall119> why would you need it in urls.py?
[15:20] <nigelb> \/today
[15:21] <nigelb> err, to do the /today thing
[15:21] <nigelb> I wanted to figure out the date in the urls.py and call the appropriate date's view
[15:21] <nigelb> is there an easier way to do this?
[15:22] <mhall119> yeah, just do it in a "today" view
[15:22] <mhall119> inside that, you can call other view functions
[15:22] <nigelb> aah.
[15:23] <nigelb> how do I call other view functions?
[15:23] <nigelb> my try sorta failed :D
[15:23] <mhall119> just like you call any other function
[15:23] <mhall119> and return it's return value
[15:23] <nigelb> I got an error thrown up when I did that.
[15:23] <mhall119> def today_view(request):
[15:23] <nigelb> well, since you're here, I guess you can debug that :D
[15:23] <mhall119>   return other_view(request)
[15:25] <mhall119> in order to use (r'^(?P<summit_name>[\w-]+)/today$', 'by_date', {'date': date.today()}),
[15:25] <mhall119> you'd need 'date' to be a string representation, not a datetime object
[15:26] <nigelb> isn't it a string representation already?
[15:27] <mhall119> date.today() returns a date object
[15:27] <mhall119> you need a string in "%Y-%m-%d"
[15:27] <nigelb> doh.
[15:32] <nigelb> mhall119: what does __all__ bit do?
[15:38] <mhall119> where?
[15:49] <nigelb> mhall119: let me get you the line number
[15:50] <nigelb> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/annotate/head%3A/summit/schedule/views.py#L36
[15:53] <TrickyJ> Hi all
[15:53] <nigelb> no bother, I figured it out.
[16:27] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: wassup buddy ;)
[19:41] <Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119, where can i find the code for HOF?
[20:09] <daker> Ronnie, how can i see the events map ?
[20:10] <Ronnie> daker: on the global events page and the add venue
[20:28] <daker> Ronnie, the map still does not supply the long/lat for me
[20:29] <Ronnie> daker: can you add a marker to the map on the add venue page?
[20:29] <daker> Ronnie, yes i can
[20:29] <Ronnie> daker: do you have firebug installed?
[20:30] <daker> Ronnie, no i use Chromium
[20:31] <Ronnie> there is also a firebug for chromium. ill have a look here at chrome
[20:31] <daker> Ronnie, what do yo want exactly ?
[20:32] <Ronnie> daker: if it works here in chromium
[20:33] <Ronnie> daker: it even wont work in ff anymore
[20:33] <daker> hmm
[20:33] <daker> ツ
[20:49] <Ronnie> daker, almost looks like the location API of google maps has changed. ill have a new push, it should work now
[20:50] <daker> ok
[20:50] <Ronnie> check both setting and moving maker, and input an adress
[20:50] <Ronnie> both should work
[20:56] <subausub> I'm looking for a LoCo in Austin Texas, Does one exist?
[20:58] <pleia2> subausub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TexasTeam has links to all the texas subteams :)
[20:58] <subausub> thanks, that's what I was looking for.
[21:04] <daker> Ronnie, when i click/DND the marker it should display the long/lat ?
[21:04] <Ronnie> daker: within the form, ye
[21:06] <daker> Ronnie, is it working you ?
[21:07] <Ronnie> yes, ill check chromuim to be sure
[21:07] <Ronnie> daker: works perfect, both chr, ff
[21:20] <cjohnston> Ronnie: for the current HoF or the new django one?
[21:21] <Ronnie> cjohnston: django
[21:21] <cjohnston> it doesnt exist yet
[21:21] <Ronnie> ah
[21:25] <daker> Ronnie, it does not work for me
[21:25] <daker> maybe cjohnston can test it
[21:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: can you test it?
[21:25] <Ronnie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/570613
[21:25] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 570613 in loco-directory "Show map of events (affects: 9) (heat: 38)" [High,In progress]
[21:26] <daker> Ronnie, http://i.imgur.com/P5t8n.png
[21:27] <daker> the marker is there but there is no long/lat
[21:27] <Ronnie> daker, when did you last update the branch?
[21:28] <daker> Ronnie,  rev 352
[21:31] <cjohnston> not on my current conenction.. itd take all week
[21:31] <Ronnie> daker: thats the good revision. ill try to branch a new one and test
[21:31] <daker> ok
[21:32] <cjohnston> i saw mhall119 was back earlier!
[21:32] <cjohnston> yay
[21:34] <Ronnie> daker: did you restart the django runserver?
[21:34] <daker> yes ツ
[21:35] <Ronnie> hmm, i create a new branch, did a sync, migrate and init-ld. it just works here
[21:35] <Ronnie> could it be a jquery version problem?
[21:36] <Ronnie> daker: can you install firebug in your chromium or look in the errorconsole for error messages?
[21:36] <daker> ok i'll retry with a new branch
[21:38] <Ronnie> cjohnston, daker: im starting to create a django supportmap app for 'django-foundations'. currently i have in the model the latitude,longitude,is_support,has_cds you you have more ideas for a nice support map ?
[21:38] <Ronnie> email_visible?
[21:39] <cjohnston> im not sure what a spportmap is
[21:40] <daker> Ronnie, http://pastebin.com/1LnBkEDH
[21:41] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the dutch version of a supportmap: http://kaart.ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:41] <Ronnie> here users can find 'experienced' ubuntu users in the neighbourhood, to get cd's, get support@home and ask questions
[21:41] <Ronnie> daker: cant you seen more. it looks like half the message
[21:42] <daker> Ronnie, http://i.imgur.com/5sBrz.png
[21:44] <Ronnie> daker: very strange error
[21:44] <Ronnie> looks like the google maps init function adds aditional script, but fails
[21:44] <daker> Ronnie, note that not a error it's just a warning
[21:45] <daker> an*
[21:45] <Ronnie> hmm
[21:50] <Ronnie> daker, can you debug the script (config-button -> tools -> developer tools -> tab 'scripts' -> script: maps.js -> click the linenumber 185)
[21:50] <Ronnie> then refresh the page and click on the map
[21:54] <daker> i am using the chromium debugger
[21:58] <daker> Ronnie, bug 692734 fixed ?
[21:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 692734 in loco-directory "Venue objects when created with forced id, gives an error (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692734
[21:59] <Ronnie> daker: it was fixed in import-live-date branch i thought
[22:00] <daker> ok
[22:04] <daker> Ronnie, we are making a good progress, we have fixed 15 bugs already
[22:05] <Ronnie> wow, statistics always makes me happy
[22:05] <daker> https://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+milestone/0.2.22
[22:25] <Ronnie> daker, any luck with the maps code?
[22:25] <daker> no
[22:26] <daker> i'll try tomorrow at work (using maverick)
[22:26] <Ronnie> oke, thx


[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[09:35] <lazyPower> mornin rmg51
[10:03] <rmg51> o/
[11:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters  and everything else


[01:23] <sere> when i try to sync my iphone4 i got an error saying "Unhandled Lockdown error (-4)"
[01:24] <sere> any ideads
[01:25] <Unit193> I do not have any ideas about the problem, but I could recommend you try #ubuntu as there are many more people, they may know a better place to direct you, and there is a much greater chance of one of them owning an iPhone.
[01:42] <tibbers> i'm trying to figure out how to autorun a script on startup
[01:42] <tibbers> i made a script and i call it in autostart but nothing happens
[01:46] <tibbers> well, i am going to try changing ownership of the script file and see if that works. gotta reboot to test
[03:21] <bs> i was trying to install a program called freevo from synaptic but it failed. Here is the relevant portion of the log: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929985
[03:21] <bs> i dont really know what to do about it
[03:22] <meemee> Hello!
[03:22] <meemee> I'm having trouble disabling screen lock with xscreensaver. I've tried disabling it through the gui and manually through xscreensaver-demo but it keeps locking the screen...
[03:24] <Unit193> bs: Seems a little like a bad package, but if you wait a little, someone that may know it should see that.
[03:25] <Unit193> meemee: Lock on wakeup?
[03:37] <meemee> Unit193: lock after exiting the screensaver
[03:39] <meemee> lock is set to false in my .xscreensaver file too
[04:03] <Unit193> meemee: Did you restart the computer/daemon?
[04:03] <meemee> yep
[04:08] <Unit193> Well, that makes a whole lot of sense there...
[04:09] <meemee> could it be reading a different config file somewhere?
[04:10] <Unit193> Shouldn't, and doesn't for me, but you can check with locate and grep.  There isn't something that's launching xscreensaver I'd guess? (Worth a shot...)(
[04:20] <meemee> couldn't find another config file. I killed the screensaver process and restarted xscreensaver from the command line and now it's not locking anymore
[04:20] <meemee> but I have the feeling it will go back to locking on computer restart
[04:21] <meemee> I will try right now! BRB
[04:31] <meemee> This is odd. When I activate xscreensaver manually (xscreensaver-command -activate) it doesn't lock the screen. But if I wait 5 minutes for it to activate, it does lock the screen.
[08:46] <Fudge> ep yep
[09:44] <FabianS> Hm. Who thought it would be a good idea not to show the actual partition sizes on the installation dialog of lubuntu?
[09:48] <iceroot> !bug | FabianS
[09:48] <FabianS> I doubt that's a bug.
[11:29] <ASAPASAPASAP> ASAP
[11:29] <ASAPASAPASAP> anyone here?
[11:30] <ASAPASAPASAP> I hope somebody will answer
[11:30] <Myrtti> well we don't know if we can help you if you don't ask your real question
[11:32] <ASAPASAPASAP> I can't find my start menu on the panel below
[11:32] <ASAPASAPASAP> it moved!
[11:33] <ASAPASAPASAP> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/814/201202231925321280x1024.png/ see the left bottom below
[11:33] <ASAPASAPASAP> none start menu!
[11:34] <ASAPASAPASAP> myrtti can you see
[11:45] <Guest55741> Hi all. Got a question. Is there an option in Sylpheed to edit a sent message as a new one?
[11:48] <Myrtti> I know Claws does
[12:10] <Guest55741> I used that option in Thunderbird quite often. Sylpheed should have it as well, I just didn't find it  yet.
[12:10] <Guest55741> Anybody knows if it's there?
[13:23] <iceroot> do we have a bug atm on 12.04 that all gtk apps (tested gedit and evolution) are black?
[13:23] <iceroot> imo my lubuntu-theme settings are all on default
[13:25] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lan-tunes/+bug/939454 seems to be fixed
[13:32] <iceroot> its not fixed
[13:35] <iceroot> maybe its this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/938472
[13:36] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/930719
[14:50] <AngelForget> sera a tutti
[15:59] <phillw> iceroot: the bugs in the artwork are being worked on, but may persist until after the beta 1 release.
[16:28] <iceroot> phillw: thank you for the info
[16:58] <kubanc> how do i restart GUI?
[17:04] <valdur55> openbox-lubuntu --replace
[17:04] <iceroot> kubanc: sudo service lightdm restart
[17:05] <iceroot> might be lxdm instead of lightdm, depending on your lubuntu-version
[17:06] <valdur55> after lxdm restart you need relogin and open all your programs again
[17:07] <valdur55> openbox-lubuntu --replace reloads lubuntu's window manager, and you don't need reopen all your items
[17:27] <iceroot> phillw: do you know the packagename which is causing this "black in gtk bug" so i can correct the bugreports
[17:27] <phillw> iceroot: afaik it is lubuntu-artwork, it is deffinately the artwork team who are working on it.
[17:31] <wxl> phillw, iceroot -- why do people keep suggesting it's gtk? wouldn't we have a problem with, e.g. pidgin??
[20:07] <bs> how do i rename a shortcut on the desktop?
[20:07] <bs> i tried the ways you would think of but it keeps staying the same
[20:08] <Flazer> right click and rename?
[20:08] <bs> yeah that doesnt do it, i mean it renames the file but the text under the shortcut doesnt change
[20:09] <wxl> bs: how did you make this shortcut?
[20:10] <wxl> better yet, bs, give me the results of doing an ls -al on it
[20:10] <Unit193> I'd say open the desktop file in leafpad.
[20:10] <wxl> so it's a desktop file
[20:10] <wxl> ahhh
[20:10] <bs> yeah, actually yeah i just went and edited it with sudo leafpad
[20:10] <bs> that worked
[20:10] <ptrkmj> I need to switch keyboard layouts. I've added "Keyboard Layout Switcher" to my panel but it doesn't work. I cannot change my layout to anything other than what's already set.
[20:11] <bs> the gui makes it look like you can rename it in the properties but the changes dont stick, so you gotta sudo open it in leafpad, i should have thought of that sooner
[20:11] <bs> oh yeah and... i guess a shortcut in linux is a link not a launcher
[20:12] <bs> thx
[20:20] <Pitmaster> Good day
[20:21] <wxl> howdy
[20:23] <Pitmaster> I can use some help with my network, is there someone who wants to help?
[20:36] <holstein> Pitmaster: sure... wifi?
[20:43] <Pitmaster> no, not the wifi that is broke. The wired doesn't go.
[20:44] <Pitmaster> arp -a give ? (<IP_ADDRESS>) at <incomplete> on eth0
[20:56] <bs> is there any way I could have the task bar be not "always on top", but also not be hidden when not in use?
[20:57] <bs> like, so if i have a maximized program, it will go over top of the taskbar, but if i minimize all programs, the taskbar will be visible without me mousing over it
[20:57] <bs> in otherwords, have the task bar be "always on bottom"
[21:13] <holstein> Pitmaster: i would run lspci and look for the network controller... i would search around for a bug relating to it... is it something that broke, or never worked? have you gotten online and upgraded?
[21:13] <holstein> bs: i thought there was a "allow to be covered" option... lemme look
[21:14] <holstein> Make sure you have ticked the "Reserve space, and not covered by maximized windows" property in the panel settings
[21:15] <holstein> bs: that is from http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions ...and i might be remembering settings from tint2 on my machine
[21:19] <sere> my rhythmbox closes with an error saying no jack  server found...i dont want to use jack server!!!!
[21:19] <sere> how can i change this
[21:19] <holstein> sere: i would look in the config, and make sure you have not asked for jack support
[21:20] <holstein> i would try and do the opposite from this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008910
[21:21] <sere> holstein, i think it is not right because my banshee closes with the same error....where is the config or is they a gstreamer-properties
[21:22] <sere> i actauly was already there lol but i couldnt install gstreamer-properties ...couldnt find it
[21:23] <holstein> not sure... i use JACK all the time... and i use ALSA only all the time.. and pulse... never seen that error running rb.. what else have you done?... do you have another user account you can open and test?... will you try would audacious or with VLC to test?
[21:24] <bs> holstein: when i tick that, the taskbar is always visible and the maximized window fits into the space above it. What I want is for the maximized window to cover the taskbar
[21:25] <holstein> bs: yup... and thats what i have found happens when i select "dont reserve space"... other than suggesting another panel, i can only suggest troubleshooting and trying to get that option to work
[21:27] <bs> holstein: there's nothing called "dont reserve space", only a thing called "Reserve space". Are you saying I should have it checked or unchecked?
[21:27] <sere> holstein, audacious,vlc,mplayer, everything else pretty much works just fine ...i think if i could just get the sound server to use alsa or just the sound players it would work
[21:27] <holstein> bs: depends.. i would say you *dont* want it to reserve space, correct?
[21:27] <holstein> the way i read that... if it *doesnt* reserve space, then it should be able to be covered
[21:28] <bs> holstein: yeah thats logical
[21:28] <holstein> sere: likely.. did it ever work? or is this somehting that broke? do you have JACK installed?
[21:28] <bs> but if i uncheck it, then what happens is the maximized window goes *beneath* the taskbar, because it's like the taskbar is "always on top" know what i mean?
[21:29] <sere> holstein, never worked....i dont think so
[21:29] <bs> i want the taskbar to go behind the maximized window, not in front of it
[21:30] <holstein> bs: yup.. and i remember that being the behavior that i got... try messing with some more settings.. try from a live CD if you dont want to "break" it
[21:32] <bs> unfortunately i dont really see any other settings that would affect this
[21:32] <bs> maybe what i want to do is not possible
[21:33] <holstein> bs: yup.. i remember checking a box that didnt seem to effect it at all.. like "use as dock"? something like that
[21:33] <bs> yup
[21:33] <holstein> bs: no.. i had that going on... i remember... in KDE, and in openbox with tint2... you can always just use another panel
[21:33] <bs> definitely the wording of the setting suggests that the behaviour is *supposed* to be for maximized windows to cover the dock but they dont
[21:33] <holstein> bs: you can *always* do what you want with open tolls
[21:34] <holstein> tools*
[21:34] <bs> yes but if it requires me to like change the code and compile the OS or something that goes beyond what im willing to do
[21:34] <holstein> bs: this was back at 10.04.. i can try again when im home near and LXDE installation
[21:34] <bs> what i meant was, "possible to do with stock lubuntu"
[21:35] <holstein> bs: i did it with stock lubuntu
[21:35] <bs> when you say another panel, do you mean like some extra panel program i would have to install?
[21:35] <holstein> i just dont have it in front of me, or id already be telling you how
[21:35] <bs> right
[21:35] <bs> i see
[21:35] <holstein> bs: have to install?... you can install tint2 and use it instead.. thats an option
[21:38] <bs> for now i will just autohide the taskbar. Like, I dont "need" to have it the way I wanted, it was a pretty minor thing, but it would be cool
[23:06] <ignoredthoughts> So i can't figure out how to configure NetworkManager to work
[23:06] <ignoredthoughts> every time i type it in it comes back with nothing
[23:07] <ignoredthoughts> I'll click run then type in NetworkManager and zip happens
[23:07] <ignoredthoughts> and not the fun archiving kind
[23:07] <ignoredthoughts> setting up wireless was kind of a pain
[23:07] <Unit193> There's an icon in the desktop panel that works with it.
[23:08] <ignoredthoughts> and i can only get a visual of my wireless in my panel if i go to Network Connection and set it to wlan0
[23:08] <Unit193> `nm-applet` is the name.
[23:08] <iceroot> wxl: i just saw that all my gtk-apps are broken, so i thought its for all gtk-apps and related to that topic
[23:08] <ignoredthoughts> it seems to add a blank space in my panel next to the time
[23:08] <ignoredthoughts> i click on it and it says no network connection
[23:09] <ignoredthoughts> but i am connected because... well i'm here aren't I?
[23:09] <Unit193> Is this an upgrade, or new install?
[23:09] <ignoredthoughts> new install
[23:09] <wxl> iceroot: give me an example and i'll check out what my experience is here
[23:09] <Unit193> ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces is a fun one.
[23:09] <iceroot> wxl: gedit, evolution, nm-applet, keyring-password-dialog
[23:10] <Unit193> are fun ones.
[23:10] <iceroot> wxl: lxpanel
[23:10] <ignoredthoughts> ifconfig?
[23:10] <iceroot> wxl: everything black
[23:10] <Unit193> Terminal command for info.
[23:10] <wxl> iceroot: uh lxpanel? how are these broken? just everything black?
[23:10] <wxl> wow that's craziness
[23:10] <iceroot> wxl: with the default theme, no
[23:10] <wxl> iceroot: roll back lubuntu-artwork and see what happens
[23:10] <ignoredthoughts> what am I looking for with that?
[23:10] <iceroot> wxl: but every else theme is "grey on black"
[23:11] <ignoredthoughts> just shoots back the information regarding my actual connection
[23:11] <iceroot> wxl: and where do i find the old lubuntu-artwork for 12.04?
[23:11] <wxl> iceroot: synaptic makes it easy to install older versions
[23:11] <iceroot> wxl: and where should that version came from?
[23:11] <iceroot> wxl: in the repos there is always only the newest
[23:11] <wxl> iceroot: um, the repos :D
[23:11] <iceroot> wxl: the repos only have the latest version of a package
[23:12] <ignoredthoughts> under my network connections if I choose wlan0 it brings up the icon showing my connection strength
[23:12] <wxl> iceroot: i think you're confusing the way apt works with what is actually available
[23:12] <ignoredthoughts> NetworkManager seems to be a blank square that says I have no connection
[23:12] <wxl> iceroot: i say this from experience
[23:12] <iceroot> wxl: /var/cache/apt/ was cleaned
[23:12] <iceroot> wxl: and apt-cache policy lubuntu-artwork is showing the latest version only
[23:12] <wxl> iceroot: naturally
[23:12] <iceroot> wxl: and in PACKAGES on the repos there is also only the latest
[23:13] <wxl> iceroot: you're asking it basically what's the latest version
[23:13] <iceroot> wxl: PACKAGES is providing what is available
[23:13] <iceroot> wxl: apt-get is ONLY reading PACKAGES
[23:13] <iceroot> that is what "apt-get update" is doing
[23:13] <iceroot> you cant rollback a package with the normal repos
[23:14] <iceroot> you need something like archives.debian.org for ubuntu
[23:14] <wxl> iceroot: i see 0.22~ppa8 as one such possibility
[23:14] <EvilResistance> well...
[23:14] <iceroot> wxl: ppa != main-repos
[23:14] <EvilResistance> in theory yo ucan roll back... but that's only a theory
[23:14] <wxl> iceroot: well that's besides the point
[23:14] <wxl> i've done this with thunderbird before, for example
[23:14] <wxl> from the main repos
[23:14] <iceroot> wxl: thunderbird is something different
[23:15] <wxl> ugh
[23:15] <EvilResistance> wxl, it depends on what the minimum version is available in the repos
[23:15] <iceroot> wxl: there you have thunderbird3 and thunderbird9 for example
[23:15] <EvilResistance> and thunderbird *is* something different
[23:15] <iceroot> wxl: a normal package only have the latest version
[23:15] <EvilResistance> iceroot, what is he trying to "roll back"?
[23:15] <EvilResistance> my scrollbacks are fragmented today
[23:15] <wxl> there was something else recently that i rolled back as well
[23:15] <wxl> but that's fine
[23:15] <wxl> that's what i would do if i were you but i'm not so i won't
[23:16] <iceroot> i will do some research on this bug tomorrow and will go to sleep now
[23:19] <ASAPanswerNOW> Hot to install empathy IM in lubuntu?
[23:20] <iceroot> !info empathy
[23:20] <iceroot> ASAPanswerNOW: sudo apot-get install empathy
[23:20] <ASAPanswerNOW> k tq
[23:20] <downbeam> doesnt it come on lubuntu
[23:20] <ASAPanswerNOW> can I have your baby
[23:21] <ASAPanswerNOW> no it doesn't you stupid downbeam
[23:21] <iceroot> downbeam: not by default
[23:21] <ASAPanswerNOW> downbeam=8
[23:21] <Unit193> ASAPanswerNOW: Be nice.
[23:21] <iceroot> ASAPanswerNOW: please leave this channel
[23:21] <ASAPanswerNOW> k bye
[23:22] <downbeam> i have empathy on lubuntu... and i didnt install it
[23:22] <downbeam> it might be a package tho
[23:25] <downbeam> bye room
[23:32] <pangolin> Not so sure telling people to leave the channel is the best way to handle rude users, but i do see why you did.
[23:32]  * pangolin moves on
[23:33] <iceroot> pangolin: i dont like !op so i think asking "with please" is a good way
[23:34] <pangolin> iceroot: right, it wasn't worthy of an op call. We should be trying to instruct users in the Ubuntu way.
[23:34] <pangolin> anyway, no biggie
[23:34] <iceroot> ok


[00:10] <Riddell> muon moved to main, added to dvd seed
[00:10] <Riddell> partitionmanager moved to main, added to kubuntu-common
[00:21] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers
[00:23] <Riddell> thanks
[01:39] <Riddell> http://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/so-canonical-ported-unity-to-qt…/#comment-587  ubuntu one manager wants a qt client
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> !find libxml/parser.h
[02:02] <Riddell> yofel: kdevelop 4.2 RC1 released upstream
[02:29] <Riddell> NCommander: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/unity-2d_0.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> phononlogger: http://i.imgur.com/orD5G.png
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> the only thing is that it currently kDebug()'s package names that it finds instead of installing them
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> lol: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554261/
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> silly typeefs
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> s/typeefs/typedefs
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> kubotu don't love meh :(
[04:50] <apparle> Is there any way to connect to mobile gprs over bluetooth
[08:57] <markey> omg debian
[08:57] <markey> "This is solved in Amarok 2.3.2 AFAIR"
[08:58] <markey> "Thanks, although this is good and bad news. Amarok will always be seriously broken for the next debian stable release Squeeze)."
[08:58] <markey> what can you say to such users?
[08:58] <markey> "Hey, swap your Commedore C64 with an Amiga! Like, go with the times, dude!"
[08:59] <markey> "What, more than 1Mhz? Are you nuts?"
[10:17] <shadeslayer> markey: rofl
[10:22] <yofel> o/
[10:22] <yofel> Riddell: should I put the packages into staging? natty seems to work fine here, for maverick I first need to patch the kdesdk symbol files
[10:25] <shadeslayer> ill have a new desktop in like ...4 hour
[10:26] <shadeslayer> *hours
[10:26] <shadeslayer> a new build machine for me ... yayy :P
[10:26] <shadeslayer> any ideas how effective icecc would be over wifi?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> hmm .. too bad it doesnt work on windows
[11:00] <markey> shadeslayer: we are using Icecream, with one box connected over WiFi
[11:00] <markey> works just fine
[11:00] <markey> I mean, modern WiFi is almost as fast as cable
[11:00] <shadeslayer> markey: ah ok ... i have a N band router .. so speed should not be a issue :)
[11:04] <shadeslayer> markey: plz2make amarok free of glib crap
[11:11] <markey> erm
[11:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: icecc works fine over wifi here, depends on how many jobs you want the other pc to do
[11:11] <markey> Amarok does not use glib
[11:11] <shadeslayer> markey: gpod integration stuff
[11:11] <markey> hm?
[11:11] <markey> ah
[11:11] <markey> I don't use iPods
[11:11] <markey> don't care
[11:12] <markey> also, we are glad that libgpod exists!
[11:12] <markey> otherwise we would have to deal with the stupid Apple devices by ourselves
[11:12] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[11:12] <shadeslayer> i wonder if there's a kpod lib somewhere
[11:12] <markey> no
[11:13] <markey> KDE guys are often allergic to apples
[11:13] <shadeslayer> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpod/
[11:13] <markey> and that is tons of work
[11:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:13] <shadeslayer> there's a libqtpod
[14:42] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:15] <milian> where can I get qt 4.7.1 for maverick?
[15:22] <markey> skfin: great post-it note you did there, for Amarok :)
[15:22] <markey> (The Roktober thing)
[15:23] <markey> looks sweet
[15:24] <shadeslayer> milian: one sec
[15:25] <shadeslayer> milian: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[15:25] <shadeslayer> also contains newer KDE
[15:26] <milian> shadeslayer: thanks
[15:27] <milian> shadeslayer: that does not contain qt 4.7.1
[15:27] <milian> only kde 4.5.5
[15:27] <shadeslayer> it should
[15:27] <shadeslayer> lemme recheck
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ok .. might be beta backports
[15:28] <shadeslayer> hold on
[15:30] <milian> I'll switch to my arch machine...
[15:30] <shadeslayer> milian: sorry ... theres no qt4-x11 for maverick
[15:30] <shadeslayer> only natty
[15:30] <milian> -.-'
[16:23] <sheytan> yo masters :D
[16:23] <sheytan> will amarok 2.4 packages be available today? :D
[16:25]  * ScottK discovers he isn't going to package the latest rsibreak.
[16:25] <ScottK> Thanks JontheEchidna.
[16:36] <Quintasan> ScottK or JontheEchidna: Can you upload python3-defaults? I picked a patch from Debian SVN I need in order to build the sip
[16:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: Sure.  Where's the debdiff?
[16:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/python3-defaults_3.2~b2-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[16:42] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's a native package.  It doesn't need quilt/patches, just change the source directly.
[16:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: Also debian/changelog should describe what's being changed in addition to where you got the change (commit message for the change you're cherrypicking is a good start).
[16:59] <debfx> sheytan: yes, I just uploaded the packages
[17:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: please redownload the debdiff, it should do the trick
[17:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Still some changes in debian/rules that shouldn't be there.
[17:02] <Quintasan> Hmmmmmmm
[17:03] <Quintasan> Alrighty
[17:03] <ScottK> Quintasan: Also you need to make the maintainer change in debian/control.in.
[17:03] <Quintasan> ScottK: And to what I should change it?
[17:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: Same as you did in debian/control.
[17:05] <ScottK> If you don't change control.in, your change in control will get over-written the next time it's regenerated from control.in.
[17:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm pretty sure I didn't change maintainer field
[17:05] <ScottK> Quintasan: OK.  Just leave it then.
[17:05] <ScottK> I think there's magic in the build script that does that.
[17:05] <ScottK> I'll remove the rules changes and then have a look
[17:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: redownload the debdiff please, I've kept the changes to bare minimum
[17:06] <Quintasan> changelog entry + modification
[17:07] <ScottK> Looks good.
[17:08] <skfin> http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.4.0
[17:10] <skfin> Lol, very wrong channel
[17:11] <yofel> 2.4.0 is packaged in ninjas, so it'll be there soon
[17:11] <skfin> Hmm
[17:11] <skfin> yofel: It has been released just like few hours ago?
[17:11] <skfin> They really are ninjas if thats for real
[17:12] <yofel> skfin: packagers usually get early access to the releases, I would assume that's true of amarok as well
[17:12] <skfin> But still, eh
[17:16] <Quintasan> PIZZA TIEM
[18:19] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: pong
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> debfx: pong
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> (been out of the house today)
[18:25] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: could you sponsor bug 702073 ?
[18:25] <debfx> JontheEchidna: hi, could you please sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/synaptiks_0.4.0-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew, debfx: sure
[18:34] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you also re-add kde-config-touchpad to kubuntu-desktop
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> can do
[18:35] <debfx> thanks
[18:47] <markey> thanks for packaging Amarok 2.4 so quickly, Riddell :)
[18:47] <markey> that is nice
[18:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: Is it uploaded?
[19:23] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I guess bug #703359 needs a core-dev ack
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> debfx: done
[20:05] <shadeslayer> ubottu: find QtOpenGL/qgl.h
[20:12] <neversfelde> tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory
[20:12] <neversfelde> anyone else having this problem with pbuilder?
[20:13] <yofel> hm, try 'sudo -E ...' other than that, no
[20:13] <yofel> assuming you're running natty
[20:16] <neversfelde> yofel: yes, natty. I'll try it
[20:21] <neversfelde> same problem
[20:21] <neversfelde> the debian directory is there when dropping to shell
[20:46] <ulysses> jtechidna: Muon Suite doesn't  use translations again, I can't switch application language
[20:46] <jtechidna> ulysses: it got recently moved to main in natty, so next time the ubuntu lang packs rebuild you should get your l10n back
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ubottu:  find qgl.h:
[20:48] <ulysses> thanks
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ubottu: find qgl.h
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: btw, is your bug supposed to have debdiffs?
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> !find qgl.h
[20:49] <shadeslayer> dammit
[20:49] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: sponsors never wanted debdiffs in syncs requests
[20:49] <shadeslayer> too much of rbot i guess ^_^
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: oh! thought it was a merge :)
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: obvious confirmation, confirmed
[20:49] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: nice :)
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> (and subscribed ubuntu-archive)
[20:50] <yofel> !find GL/glu.h
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[20:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: but on the bright side muon will be available on the dvd
[20:51] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: your sponsorship list is growing up! :)
[20:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: you missed the 'u' earlier :P
[20:52] <yofel> hm? no, that was about GL/gl.h ;)
[20:52] <yofel> !find GL/gl.h
[20:53] <yofel> or not, gl stuff is confusing
[20:53] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: It is always asked from me when will be Muon Suite the default package management system
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: that would be up to the Kubuntu Council to decide if they wanted to switch from PackageKit
[20:56]  * JontheEchidna is noticing a lot of .desktop translation file updates for the release tomorrow :)
[21:07] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: bzr + cia is client-side configuration
[21:08] <yofel> we found that out by now...
[21:16] <Riddell> yofel: hi, did you work out what to do with kdevelop?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: boo :(
[21:18] <yofel> Riddell: I put natty into ninjas, I'll do kdesdk for maverick now, spent some time on neon today
[21:26] <Riddell> yofel: want me to upload to the main archive for natty?
[21:26] <ScottK> Quintasan: I got called away.  Uploaded now.
[21:26] <Quintasan> Thanks
[21:26] <ScottK> Thanks for putting it together.
[21:26] <yofel> Riddell: sure, it works fine here, didn't do too in-depth testing though
[21:30] <yofel> Riddell: is that just gcc 4.4 <> 4.5 difference or something else missing? http://paste.ubuntu.com/554505/
[21:31] <Riddell> hmm, this airport lounge internet is being used by about 2 canonical people, running a bit slow
[21:31] <yofel> ^^
[21:32] <Riddell> yofel: if it's the same thing you're compiling on two different distro versions then it pretty well must be the compiler
[21:32] <Riddell> so not something to worry about
[21:33] <yofel> ok, I'll just patch the symbols then
[21:36] <phononlogger> JontheEchidna: very nice gst
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> phononlogger: got it installing, but I need to thread it properly so I can handle exit codes sanely & still be able to quit the app
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> I'm looking at k-d-i as a threading model
[21:44] <phononlogger> bad idea
[21:45] <phononlogger> or did I refactor it yet?
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there have been major changes to the threading
[21:45] <phononlogger> JontheEchidna: well, you could just have some handler in a thread and have the handler issue signals
[21:45] <phononlogger> then connect to the signals in the mainthread and call qapp->exit(code) or somesuch
[21:46] <phononlogger> (though, probably calling exit itself might be better, since you dont need a super graceful shutdown *shrug*)
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> the thing is that I could just do the whole thing in one procedural, except that the actual installing bits are asynch.
[21:47] <phononlogger> hence the signals :P
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> but exit() from inside my main class doesn't actually exit
[21:47] <phononlogger> exit always exits
[21:48] <phononlogger> qapp->exit will cleanup the mainloop first or something like that
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> I was probably doing something very wrong, because also the second time I call a kmessagebox, it would return a KMessageBox::No result without actually showing the message box
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> but that was a while back and things totally changed
[21:49] <Riddell> yofel: upload to staging find someone to test then copy to beta I think
[21:49] <phononlogger> now what is the thing I usually say when something does not work for you?
[21:49]  * phononlogger is all sorts of sick and cant even think straight
[21:49] <phononlogger> ah
[21:49] <phononlogger> JontheEchidna: faulty software, clearly :P
[21:50] <yofel> will do
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> I will agree in this case :P
[21:55] <Riddell> yofel: uploaded
[21:56] <yofel> thanks :D
[23:07] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: still around?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: yup
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> got the mail
[23:09] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: could you sponsor next sync? bug 703408
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> all good, ack'd
[23:13] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: what's the difference between Confirmed and Triaged status in ACKing sync?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there is one
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> phononlogger: http://i.imgur.com/nrWwy.png
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> on an unrelated note, good job @kde-l10n too http://i.imgur.com/S1TNd.png
[23:33] <ari-tczew> pl translated in only 73%, not good, not good...
[23:36]  * yofel notes he'll need some kdevelop 4.1.90 maverick testers soon
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> debfx: audex has a new upstream release that fixes a GCC 4.5 FTBFS. I noticed that we're syncing this from Debian and that you were the last one to touch it there. Would you be interested in updating it in Debian?
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> though I'm not sure what's going on with their freeze status...
[23:44] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: experimental are always open.
[23:45] <ari-tczew> However, maintainers could also upload to unstable if there are bugfixes.
[23:51] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I have no intention to maintain audex, but before we diverge from Debian i'll try to get it updated there
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> iirc it's already pkg-kde maintained
[23:55] <debfx> yes, though i'm not sure how they handle team uploads
[23:55] <debfx> could you push the retry button for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.4.0-0ubuntu1/+build/2155221
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> sure


[12:16] <manchicken> I see a lot of converters for devices under 50W, but my laptop AC adapter is 65W.
[12:16] <manchicken> Though they do have an 85W one.
[12:17] <Lure> manchicken: you just need adapter, so you should be fine with anything
[12:17] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe cool :)
[12:18] <manchicken> Yeah.
[12:18] <manchicken> I don't need a converter.
[12:18] <manchicken> I'm only seeing converters though on Radio Shack's site.
[12:18] <otma_> i would not use <65W capable converter.
[12:18] <manchicken> I'm not going to.
[12:18] <manchicken> My AC adapter for my lappy is 65W.
[12:19] <manchicken> Wow.  This one's a 1600W adapter
[12:19] <manchicken> err, converter
[12:19] <otma_> now you can take your electric heater with you ;=)
[12:19] <manchicken> Though it's not reccomended for things less than 50W
[12:20] <manchicken> otma_: I could bring my refrigerator with me.
[12:20] <manchicken> Though that may be tough to get through customs.
[12:21] <manchicken> YAY!  I found the adapters!
[12:23] <manchicken> $14.99.
[12:26] <Jannex> kbluetooth seems to be buggy on amd64
[12:27] <Tm_T> hi Jannex
[12:34] <Jannex> Tm_T: Good evening
[12:39] <Tm_T> aagh, what did I press!
[12:49] <Tm_T> nixternal: ping
[12:54] <nixternal> Tm_T: pong?
[12:55] <Tm_T> nixternal: I edited my wikipage and, looks like it did send mail to you (too) about it, and I wonder what is that?!
[12:55] <nixternal> wiki admins get emails to look over and make sure the wiki isn't being spammed
[12:55] <Tm_T> aah
[12:56] <Tm_T> ...so it's normal, good to know
[12:56] <Tm_T> nixternal: ...btw it's worst kind of spam ;)
[12:58] <Tm_T> ok, maybe I edit it more when I have slept
[12:59] <nixternal> hehe
[12:59] <Tm_T> I really don't know what I should mention there, so any ideas welcome
[01:20] <Tm_T> ok, now even more, agh
[01:20] <bdmurray> hello
[01:20] <Tm_T> I stop from today before I really do something stupid ->
[01:47] <xerosis> can anyone recommend a good book for c++/qt?
[01:51] <Tm_T> yes
[01:51] <Tm_T> xerosis: http://dot.kde.org/1098950311/
[01:55] <xerosis> wow, just found the same book but for qt4, whole, on google books
[01:57] <Tm_T> :)
[01:57] <Tm_T> I will buy that one some day soon
[01:57] <Tm_T> Qt4 version I mean
[01:57] <xerosis> http://books.google.com/books?id=tSCR_4LH2KsC&dq=C%2B%2B+GUI+Programming+with+QT+4&pg=PP1&ots=E5-1nS05Ef&sig=cJ_vT_2-Le0UWhHqoQhOGRTaVoY&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3DC%252B%252B%2BGUI%2BProgramming%2Bwith%2BQT%2B4%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26client%3Dfirefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPA4,M1
[01:57] <xerosis> if you want to look
[01:59] <Tm_T> http://books.google.com/books?id=tSCR_4LH2KsC
[01:59] <Tm_T> bit cleaner ;)
[01:59] <xerosis> my bad ;)
[02:00] <xerosis> ah, there's a few pages missing
[02:01] <Tm_T> I don't care, I buy it :)
[02:04] <xerosis> i'm a poor student, i have no money for books!
[02:07] <Tm_T> I'm poor unemployed, soon student, but I'm ready to pay
[02:12] <jhutchins> Are we aware that kubuntu.com is not responding?
[02:12] <Tm_T> yes
[02:13] <Tm_T> datacenter has been nuked
[02:13] <Tm_T> or something ;)
[02:13] <jhutchins> Tisk.  Good luck, sorry to bother y'all.
[09:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: hmm, like to be "hc helper" in #kubuntu ?
[09:35] <Jucato> hc helper?
[09:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: poke LjL about -meta ;)
[09:36] <Tm_T> I think you would be great user for his experimental system
[09:36] <Jucato> translation: guinea pig? :D
[09:52] <giangy> 'morning guys
[10:38] <Tm_T> evening Hobbsee
[10:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T, ajmitch
[10:38] <Hobbsee> my brain hurts
[10:39] <Hobbsee> too many assignments
[10:39] <ajmitch> aw
[10:40] <Hobbsee> and a proper write up for one particular experiment, which, you guessed it...i wont be there for.  which they didnt document in the study guide either.  grumble.
[10:41] <ajmitch> surely you wouldn't go & miss uni? :)
[10:42] <allee> morning
[10:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:45] <Hobbsee> no, no, of course not.  i live dual lives.
[10:45] <Hobbsee> in multiple places at once
[01:18] <Riddell> nixternal: when you find yourself not otherwise busy, fridge stories for dlink and kubuntu sponsoring akademy would be uber cool
[01:18] <Riddell> nixternal: also where are we on kubuntu-docs update, it needed the changelog expanded last I remember
[01:22] <cmvo> Riddell and all: Although a bit late, congratulations and thanks for another fine release of kubuntu.
[01:23] <Riddell> thanks cmvo!
[01:25] <cmvo> Riddell: You're welcome :-) I couldn't do a much testing as I wanted, but there is always gutsy...
[01:26] <Riddell> certainly is
[01:27] <Hobbsee> and one day i'll learn that it really isnt gusty...
[01:27] <cmvo> Riddell: Would you object to a config file for kdm in /etc/default for not automatically starting kdm?
[01:32] <Riddell> cmvo: no, so long as that wasn't the default of course
[01:34] <cmvo> Riddell: No, not as default, but it would be handy sometimes to have that option without having to rename the init script.
[01:35] <cmvo> Riddell: When I got the time I'll do a patch and send it your way if you don't mind.
[01:35] <cmvo> Riddell: Got to go, cul!
[01:36] <Lure> Riddell: no specs for uds? https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/
[01:36] <Riddell> cmvo: sure
[01:37] <Riddell> Lure: they're still only on the private wiki, they'll be moved to launchpad before the conference.  if you want to register specs please do so on launchpad
[01:38] <Lure> Riddell: I am thinking on opensync/kitchensync inclusion, but this would probably need to allign with ubuntu, right?
[01:38] <Riddell> Lure: dunno, does anything else use opensync?
[01:38] <Lure> Riddell: yep, there are gnome front ends
[01:39] <Lure> Riddell: and backends for all kind of devices and PIM (evolution, kdepim...)
[01:39] <Lure> Riddell: it was briefly discussed on uds-mtv (I think lifeless and Mithrandir are interested in these)
[01:40] <Riddell> mm, so some coordination would be good
[01:40] <Lure> Riddell: right
[01:40] <Riddell> if you want to register a spec and will it out with "make sure these package all work..." I can get it looked over at UDS
[01:41] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that I will be sailing the week of UDS and w/o internet for most of next week
[01:41] <Lure> Riddell: but can open spec at least with basic info
[01:42] <Lure> Riddell: when is private specs supposed to get public?
[01:42] <Riddell> Lure: dunno, before the conference is all I know
[01:42] <Riddell> I've posted the list of kubuntu ones
[01:42] <Lure> Riddell: where?
[01:44] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17624/
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Lure: sailing?
[01:54] <Riddell> on his way to akademy I'm sure :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:54] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, just back from Venice sailing and another week during uds ;-)
[01:54] <Lure> Riddell: I wish, but I still cannot confirm attendance on akademy :-(
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ahhh :)
[01:56] <Lure> Riddell: will there be meduxa people at uds? then kick kedubuntu please!
[01:56] <Lure> Riddell: what about adept usability (or merge with upstream)?
[01:59] <Riddell> Lure: they will yes, and the edubuntu-kde session is scheduled
[02:00] <meduxa> I will be there
[02:00] <Riddell> Lure: mornfall doesn't seem to have much plans for adept for next 6 months, I don't think there's too much that can be done
[02:00] <Riddell> meduxa: yay!
[02:00] <meduxa> and 2 more guys
[02:01] <Lure> meduxa: great to have you around to push kdedu
[02:01] <meduxa> we will be also al akademy
[02:03] <meduxa> we have to think about how to do it because we have kde-edu from kde...debian-edu using also kde .. we have mEDUXa and bardinux in the canary islands based on kubuntu, we now gonna have kedubuntu...
[02:04] <meduxa> there shoul be a way of coordinate all these efforts
[02:04] <meduxa> assuming the independence of each one of the projects
[02:05] <meduxa> from a content point of view
[02:05] <meduxa> and a educational point of view
[02:05] <meduxa> they are very close (even the same) type of projects
[02:05] <meduxa> they are different mostly from a technical point of view
[02:06] <meduxa> and who is behind each
[02:06] <meduxa> one
[02:07] <meduxa> for a beginner (a teacher) this is not optimal
[02:07] <Riddell> meduxa: edubuntu-kde (never kedubuntu!) won't be a distribution on a CD, it'll just be a meta package avaialable to install
[02:07] <meduxa> look what is happening with gnome based projects
[02:08] <meduxa> specially in spain
[02:08] <Riddell> meduxa: what's bardinux?
[02:08] <meduxa> they don't cooperate much. we should not repeat those mistakes
[02:08] <meduxa> a kubuntu base distro from Tenerife's college
[02:08] <Riddell> meduxa: what dates are you in sevilla?
[02:08] <meduxa> from 3 to 8
[02:08] <meduxa> of may
[02:10] <Riddell> meduxa: will you be at the conference all day on 8th?  or leaving sometime during that day?
[02:10] <giangy> meduxa: also Spain (Junta de Andalucia) provide Guadalinex, isn't it also KDE-based?
[02:11] <Riddell> giangy: it's gnome I'm sure
[02:11] <meduxa> leaving on 8th
[02:11] <meduxa> at 17
[02:12] <Riddell> meduxa: ok, I'll ask to have meduxa sessions scheduled before then
[02:12] <giangy> Riddell: ah mh, true.. (I see an old image, http://www.guadalinex.org/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album01/Escritorio_live.png and icon set...heh)
[02:12] <meduxa> guadalinux, linex, molinux, asturlinux, lliurex and catix
[02:12] <meduxa> are based on gnome
[02:12] <meduxa> max has both desktop
[02:12] <meduxa> ok
[02:12] <giangy> meduxa: ok, understand
[02:14] <meduxa> I just sent this morning the final report/memory of mEDUXa 1.2
[02:14] <meduxa> to local Gov
[02:14] <meduxa> hopefully I'll be able to translate the more interesting parts for UES
[02:15] <meduxa> and show some code. We want to publish all in Lauchpad if it is possible
[02:15] <Riddell> meduxa: can you remind me again how many machines meduxa is on/will be on?  I keep forgetting and just saying "lots"
[02:15] <meduxa> richard dale (kde dev) is working on that
[02:16] <meduxa> we already have deployed about 200 schools
[02:16] <meduxa> by the beginning of next scholar year we should have all 1100 schools
[02:16] <meduxa> but I don't think we gonna make it
[02:16] <meduxa> those are the official numbers
[02:17] <meduxa> right now we have meduxa on about 4000 - 5000 computers
[02:17] <giangy> cool
[02:18] <Riddell> is indeed
[02:18] <meduxa> but gov have not made public this deployment yet
[02:18] <meduxa> I still don't know if they gonna do it in June (before local elections) or after that (in september)
[02:19] <meduxa> anyway we already have bug reports from teachers that already know linux
[02:20] <meduxa> I think teachers of 15 - 20 schools are already using mEDUXa, but this number is increasing fast
[02:20] <meduxa> since we have dual boot
[02:21] <meduxa> most teachers don't even know what mEDUXa is until the official release
[02:21] <meduxa> specially in primary schools
[02:22] <meduxa> where teachers have less skills using computers
[02:23] <meduxa> that is one of the reasons we NEED a community project, we need to concentrate all teaches and student from the canary islands that knows about linux around one project to help other teachers to use linux
[02:23] <meduxa> even if it is not mEDUXa
[02:24] <meduxa> we are talking with colleges and user associations here to build up HeXperides
[02:25] <meduxa> the community project of all 3 edu distros from the canary islands (mEDUXa, bardinux and silu, from las palmas college)
[02:26] <meduxa> we are defining goals and objetives of the project
[02:26] <meduxa> www.hexperides.org
[02:26] <meduxa> + launchpad
[02:26] <meduxa> is the first step
[02:26] <meduxa> lets see if we have success
[02:27] <giangy> meduxa: IMHO it is already a success.
[02:27] <giangy> (especially compared to other countries..)
[02:27] <meduxa> we gonna put on a public svn meduxa's code, that is a major goal for us
[02:28] <meduxa> if people want to join...perfect, if not, at least the code is there
[02:28] <meduxa> and we can join other community project that works
[02:29] <meduxa> to improve other people job
[02:29] <meduxa> where I work we are determined to go this line
[02:30] <meduxa> it is the only way to convince local gov linux is the natural choice
[02:30] <meduxa> we are a virus, we are already in the computer lab .... lets spread
[02:32] <Riddell> :)
[02:33] <Riddell> might not be a good idea to call it that in public :)
[02:35] <meduxa> it is not
[02:36] <meduxa> but is true, it is what we have done in many places, fisrt a web server, then a mail server .......and soon in desktops
[02:36] <meduxa> jejeje
[02:36] <meduxa> I feel virical today
[02:36] <meduxa> have to leave...I'll connect this afternoon
[02:36] <meduxa> bye
[02:37] <Riddell> adios
[02:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I've started drafting a spec for Kmail S/MIME by default.  Who do I list as approver?  Is the you? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kmail-s-mime
[02:39] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah, go with me, although in the past I've not been allowed to approve specs
[02:40] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do that.
[02:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <Hobbsee> BOO!!!
[03:45] <bddebian> ahhh
[04:57] <bdmurray> Riddell: ping
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: you're probably after sebas
[05:02] <Riddell> hi bdmurray
[05:10] <bdmurray> Hi, yesterday I was looking at a couple of kde bugs and saw that bug 91545 has quite a few dupes
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91545 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91545
[05:14] <Riddell> bdmurray: hmm, sime might know more, but a sigsegv from python suggests something deeper than just a problem in the python
[06:42] <nixternal> Riddell: I will get the docs packages finished today and I will get some Fridge stories rolling. I am off today, so I am FREEEEEEEE :)
[07:19] <bdmurray> Is anybody familiar with kmplayer / kxineplayer?
[07:22] <nixternal> never used the kxineplayer, kmplayer has been a while, what's up?
[07:27] <Riddell> I don't think there's much a thing as kxineplayer
[07:27] <Riddell> kaffeine and kmplayer have xine backends that we use
[07:30] <bdmurray> I was looking at duping some kmplayer bugs but the retraced stack trace isn't too informative
[07:35] <phoenix_wrath> feisty is out yet I am heaving some installation problems with it , can someone shed some light here?
[07:35] <bdmurray> phoenix_wrath: I could talk to you about it on ubuntu-bugs
[07:36] <phoenix_wrath> very well then ,catch you there.
[07:36] <nixternal> phoenix_wrath: #kubuntu is where you will get the best answer, or if you want, come back into #ubuntu-chicago and leave the "long live Fedora" cracks out :)
[07:39] <nixternal> do you realise that a KDE distro is #2 on distro-watch right now? they have been steadily climbing over the last couple of months as well
[07:41] <nixternal> PCLinuxOS that is. looks are OK, except for the Windows 95 theme. and they have all of the non-free stuff out of the box. so I think they are winning the beginners big time
[07:41] <nixternal> more so than Mepis
[07:41] <ScottK> Mepis also lags.  Their latest release, IIRC, is based on Dapper.
[07:43] <nixternal> yup
[07:44] <nixternal> I used Mepis for a little while until I realised that Ubuntu had KDE!
[08:11] <nixternal> does Google maps boog up for anyone else with Konqueror?
[08:21] <Riddell> sometimes
[08:21] <Riddell> it thinks the height is about 2cm
[08:21] <Riddell> but not usually
[08:21] <Tm_T> yup, just resize window
[08:22] <Tm_T> it seems to bug more with bigger window
[08:28] <nixternal> Riddell: yup, that is exactly my problem
[10:58] <manchicken> I think I found something that will help the artsd problem I was having.
[10:58] <manchicken> In the sound system configuration, there's a setting where the sound system will auto-suspend after X time.
[10:59] <manchicken> I disabled that so that the sound system will always keep the lock on the audio device.
[10:59] <manchicken> I wonder if there's some process that's taking over the sound device when the KDE sound system auto-suspends its lock.
[11:03] <giangy> nixternal: great.
[11:03] <giangy> nice session. =)
[11:03] <nixternal> thanks giangy
[11:03] <nixternal> my fingers are sore
[11:04] <nixternal> where is imbrandon ?
[11:04] <nixternal> or is somebody taking up the primer for him?
[11:11] <imbrandon> one sec
[11:12] <nixternal> woot


[08:34] <apw> dsmythies, it is on my list to look at
[13:10] <apw> dsmythies, and perhaps even fixed
[13:49] <dsmythies> apw: Thank you.
[13:49] <apw> dsmythies, in theory all te 5.8-rcNs are rebuilt
[13:50] <dsmythies> apw: yes, I noticed.


 The port is ready in chemrat github. But it needs to be packaged, we wanted to do it for debian instead of only Ubuntu but COVID came (I had to meet in person a debian dev) and the I had no more time. (re @The_LoudSpeaker: Is the redshift gtk-qt port still relevant? I'd like to take up that.)
 Feel free to ask me any questions regarding it
[19:33] <tomreyn> teward001: sure, nothing you can do then. i haven't needed the OVH anti-DDoS, yet, but it seems to work ok, and they surely have big enough pipes. anyways, sounds like a good hosting future. :)
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[18:26] <Kilos> hi Guest49840 welcome to ubuntuza
[18:26] <Kilos> good evening guys,
[18:26] <Kilos> oh and inetpro
[18:27] <Kilos> expect a new guy to ubuntu to come visiting and please guide him
[18:27] <Kilos> my internet is very sick so i might not be able to connect
[18:28] <Kilos> i chesedo paddatrapper pavlushka superflyand the many others
[18:29] <Kilos> not i man Hi
[18:29] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos
[18:29] <Kilos> did you see te mail from piet beukes lad
[18:29] <Kilos> and my reply
[18:30] <Kilos> sorry about missing HHHHHH's
[18:30] <chesedo> the bloem guy?
[18:31] <pavlushka> Kilos: Good day and no, I didn't or is it only meant to chesedo ?
[18:31] <Kilos> yip
[18:31] <pavlushka> Hi chesedo
[18:31] <Kilos> ubuntu-za mailing list pavlushka
[18:32] <Kilos> you havent joined have you?
[18:32] <chesedo> --> qwebirc37242<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
 Anyone available?
 I'm Philip in Bloemfontein. Interested in Ubuntu. I have never used Linux ever but want to start  It's I am Ubuntu user in Bloemfontein?
 Is there an Ubuntu user that i can contact  I want to use Xubuntu.
[18:32] <chesedo> <-- qwebirc37242<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Quit: Page closed)
[18:32] <chesedo> that as the 12th
[18:33] <chesedo> *was
[18:33] <chesedo> if it is the same guy
[18:33] <Kilos> yip
[18:34] <Kilos> i think so. didnt anyone help him
[18:34] <chesedo> i was it too late...
[18:34] <chesedo> he was only on for 10mins
[18:35] <Kilos> shame, well hopefully piet mails him
[18:35] <Kilos> that joining from the website sucks
[18:35] <pavlushka> chesedo: evaluation, as a beginner that guy is clever enough  to know where to knock and he knocked every possible way
[18:35] <Kilos> i said he must wait for a reply
[18:35] <Kilos> lol shame man
[18:35] <chesedo> yip he seems determined
[18:36] <pavlushka> so will be good going guy
[18:36] <Kilos> good we need new blood with some life
[18:37] <Kilos> my net sucks still. pings to google of up to 14000ms
[18:37]  * pavlushka speaking of being technically smart
[18:37] <chesedo> just don't let him find out we are vampiresish to quick though :D
[18:37] <Kilos> hahaha'
[18:37] <pavlushka> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> yes pavlushka ?
[18:38]  * chesedo has been studying all day - is off to bed... will have my phone connected for a while...
[18:38] <pavlushka> Kilos: ? (?) I dont get the ?
[18:39] <Kilos> you said about being technically smart so i thought you wanted to add something
[18:39] <Kilos> why dont you join our mailing list pavlushka
[18:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: hehe, that's what I added
[18:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am in your mailing list
[18:40] <Kilos> then why didnt you see the mail?
[18:40] <pavlushka> Kilos: that means I got that mail too
[18:40] <Kilos> you supposed to read your mails man
[18:40] <Kilos> rest well chesedo
[18:40] <pavlushka> Kilos: yeah
[18:43] <pavlushka> Kilos: but anyone from you supposed to reply may be
[18:43] <Kilos> half my emails arent working and pages take 10 mins to open with browsers sigh
[18:44] <Kilos> you can also guide someone here if no one answers the mail in a while lad
[18:44] <Kilos> you live here just about
[18:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: yeah, sorta
[18:45] <Kilos> and yola is doing new security stuff sigh some more
[18:45] <Kilos> get your site GDPR ready sigh
[18:46] <Kilos> General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)
[18:47] <pavlushka> Kilos: So should I send a reply to that mail stating that help & company will be available in #ubuntu-za on freenode?
[18:48] <Kilos> i did already pavlushka
[18:48] <pavlushka> Kilos: then its ok now I guess
[18:48] <Kilos> yip
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro: where are you
[18:54] <Kilos> pavlushka: when last did you see inetpro here?
[18:54] <Kilos> everytime i get online he is missing
[18:55] <pavlushka> Kilos: in our winter time, he caught me procrastinating here
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> i go see if i can find him
[18:59] <Kilos> wb sakhi
[19:00] <Kilos> i telegrammed the pro, now we see
[19:04] <Kilos> he says he is just very busy
[19:05] <Kilos> i gave him a little lecture so he should popin a bit more often even if its for 2 mins
[19:13] <Kilos> tumbleweed: whats with this GDPR thing on yola. i dont collect any data from anywhere, so no need for anyone to access it or any of the stuff in https://www.yola.com/tutorials/article/How-to-add-a-Privacy-Policy-and-Terms-of-Service/GDPR_Compliance_and_Legal_Pages?utm_source=blog&utm_campaign=20180522
[19:13] <pavlushka> inetpro: o/
[19:14] <Kilos> sigh
[19:14] <Kilos> dont let them kill my site tumbleweed
[19:16] <Kilos> put your foot down with a firm hand
[19:16] <Kilos> hehe
[19:19] <Kilos> im ready for bed guys. keep well
[19:20] <pavlushka> Good night Kilos
[19:20] <Kilos> if you  see the new guy pavlushka please welkom him and guide him
[19:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am online on after evening on my timezone
[19:22] <Kilos> np lad. if you see him
[19:22] <pavlushka> Only, meantime if we meet, I will greet him/her obviously
[19:22] <Kilos> him , his name is Phillip
[19:23] <Kilos> he might need some guidance to install hexchat and set it up to get here automatically
[19:23] <pavlushka> Kilos: yeah and I mean even if some new her comes up, I'll be ther too
[19:23] <Kilos> cool beans lol
[19:24] <pavlushka> Kilos: hehe, sure and how is your son and daughter?
[19:24] <Kilos> they both ok ty
[19:25] <Kilos> also busy all the time
[19:25] <pavlushka> Kilos: good to learn that, you turned my sleep switch on :p
[19:25] <Kilos> lol good  , night lad rest well
[19:25] <Kilos> night everyone
[19:26] <Kilos> ill try stay online in case tumbles answers
[19:35] <pavlushka> Night night everyone :)