[01:24] <ogra_> urgh
[01:24] <ogra_> jdstrand, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26467814/
[01:25] <ogra_> bah, crap ... journalctl did not linewrap
[01:26] <ogra_> jdstrand, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26467823/
[01:27] <ogra_> jdstrand, looks like time-control doesnt allow hwclock to call settimeofday
[01:51]  * ogra_ added that stuff to the hwclock forum post ...
[05:55] <jdstrand> ogra_: ack, saw the forum, added to list for next batch
[05:55] <jdstrand> ogra_: thanks!
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#4073 closed: snap: add io.snapcraft.Settings to `snap userd` <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4073>
[16:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#1888 closed: elf: make patchelf a dependency <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1888>
[20:09] <mup> Bug #1745772 opened: Can't run snap in lxd container <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745772>


[07:05] <paddy_> Hi, I'm new to jack and I got it to work with headphones plugged in but when I unplug the headphones the laptop speakers don't output anything
[07:42] <paddy> https://imgur.com/a/Br9CN9q also my eq10q doesn't look right
[15:17] <OvenWerks> paddy doesn't stick around long enough to get replies... both of his questions are easily anserable...
[15:18]  * OvenWerks doesn't watch his computer at 1 AM in general
[19:56] <studio-user597> ok
[22:15] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Same, but midnight in my case.


[22:09] <thedude42> SeanInSeattle, right, in windows the convention is to place things in programFiles, but the convention in unix/unix-like systems is to place configuration type files in /etc, place the binaries and executables in /usr, and place scratch/cache/database type files in /var
[22:10] <roger2> ctmjr: you want to me just reinstall ubuntu?
[22:10] <ichat> SeanInSeattle:  - thats not entirely true
[22:10] <krummlauf> is this the largest channel on freenode?
[22:10]  * m0ar thanks vlt
[22:10] <jpds> krummlauf: yes.
[22:10] <krummlauf> awesome
[22:10] <thedude42> SeanInSeattle, so you need to be more specific with regard to the things you are looking for.... but if you know the package you installed you can always query the package for where things went
[22:11] <guntbert> !filesystem | SeanInSeattle
[22:11] <ZoeyMarie> How do I get my wireless adapter to work in my other Kernel?
[22:11] <RobLikesBrunch> Hello, quick problem:
[22:11] <ichat> in current win versions  app settings should either  be in the rigistry or in   %userprofiles%\appsdata\$appname
[22:11] <lucifer_> awesome response guys thanks for your trolling help
[22:11] <RobLikesBrunch> I got the following error: "Error: Depdendency is not satisfiable: network-manager (>=0.7__svn20080928) anyone know what this mean?
[22:12] <RobLikesBrunch> means*
[22:12] <guntbert> ichat: how is that relevant *here*?
[22:12] <ichat> guntbert -  it was a reply... to an untrue steatement
[22:12] <FuRom> Has anyone been able to either A) make itunes work on ubuntu or B) sync the ipod touch 3g with ubuntu? I've been frustrated at this for the past month.... and windows has completely become incapable of functioning for me so I have to switch to ubuntu completely.
[22:13] <RobLikesBrunch> How how I install network-manager again if I deleted it...?
[22:13] <SeanInSeattle> thedude42=>  So, I won't be messing things up if I just leave the unpacked application (in this case, Eclipse 3.5) in its own directory here:  /home/eclipse/  ?
[22:13] <Delryk> hey everyone i have a question. i am running ubuntu in VM Ware to see if i like it before removing windows vista. so far so good. however i cat locate my 1 TB external drive. any suggestions ?
[22:13] <Delryk> cant*
[22:13] <RobLikesBrunch> No one has any ideas how I can reinstall network-manager?
[22:14] <epaphus> Hello, in the main ubuntu repository what is the latest version served to users for firefox??
[22:14] <erUSUL> Delryk: that seems like something you should configure in the VM software you are using ?
[22:14] <SeanInSeattle> RobLikesBrunch =>  What's the version of network mgr that you're trying to install?
[22:14] <guntbert> Delryk: you'll have to connect the usb device to the VM
[22:14] <erUSUL> epaphus: for jaunty ?
[22:14] <ichat> guntbert - whenever you explain anything about whatever it is you want to tell people get the facts straight ...  if you dont... people end up  fucking things up realy badd...  because they misunderstand you and give the wrong advice
[22:14] <trism> !phone | FuRom
[22:14] <trism> !iphone | FuRom
[22:14] <Seeker`> !language | ichat
[22:15] <epaphus> erUSUL, for 9.04 and 8.10 ?
[22:15] <guntbert> ichat: I beg your pardon?
[22:15] <MacGyverNL> Is the 9.10 release wednesday or thursday UTC +1?
[22:15] <erUSUL> epaphus: for 9.04 is 3.0.x and there is 3.5 aviable as shiretoko in 8.10 is 3.0.x afaik
[22:16] <FuRom> trism: thank you
[22:16] <jpds> MacGyverNL: Thursday, → #ubuntu+1
[22:16] <roger2> im just gonna reinstall ubuntu..im not a power user enough to fix my display problem.thanks for your help everyone
[22:16] <ichat> guntbert... read... and try to read...  its not addrest as a flame to you or anyone...
[22:16] <epaphus> erUSUL, what is shitetoko?
[22:16] <epaphus> shiretoko
[22:16] <Delryk> erUSL, guntbert: i plan to DBAN my hard drive and install ubuntu only. when i am running ubuntu natively will it recognize my 1TB ?
[22:16] <kaptainkranium> Can someone help me out? My Internet is running extremely slow in ubuntu, but at normal speed in Vista.
[22:16] <roger2> what is DBAN?
[22:16] <MacGyverNL> jpds: It's not exactly a support question, is it? ;) Thanks, though.
[22:16] <ichat> its just an explanation why i corrected it
[22:16] <Delryk> roger2. its the only way to truely erase a hdd. google ATA Secure Erase
[22:16] <trism> epaphus: Shiretoko is what firefox 3.5 is called in jaunty
[22:17] <erUSUL> epaphus: firefox 3.5
[22:17] <FuRom> trism: but there is a key problem with the information that was just given to me... I don't own a legit copy of windows nor do I ever want to deal with microsoft's failed genius....
[22:17] <erUSUL> !ff35 | epaphus
[22:17] <roger2> ok
[22:17] <guntbert> Delryk: it will, but start trying with a live CD to be sure and safe
[22:17] <Delryk> ok thanks guntbert
[22:18] <Delryk> once ubuntu 9.10 is released i will be installing it then
[22:18] <trism> FuRom: I can understand that. According to the wine appdb, the last version of itunes that worked was 7. As for syncing with other apps, the only solutions I have seen are with jailbroken devices
[22:18] <FuRom> !RockBox | FuRom
[22:18] <ctmjr> roger2: that's a decision you need to make you did say it was nvidia right?
[22:18] <guntbert> Delryk: but try the live CD first!
[22:18] <nutterpc> Delryk, i've transitioned to ubuntu only on my laptop, it runs much better than windows 7 did
[22:19] <roger2> ctmjr: ive proceeded with the reinstall... i was trying to better reconfigure this old presario latop..it had a ATI Rage mobility M3 video card..i installed envy and it messed everything up
[22:19] <nutterpc> and all my hardware works too, yes it will require a bit of work to do so for all of your hardware, but it is worth it in the end
[22:20] <HelpMe> hello anybody who can help
[22:20] <nevets04> HelpMe, I just got here, what was your question?
[22:21] <ctmjr> roger2: ok if your reinstalling then i hope it works out for you, and i guess you learned your lesson on envy
[22:21] <trism> FuRom: I take it back, 8.2 seems to work, if you want to try that
[22:21] <trism> FuRom: with wine that is
[22:21] <trism> FuRom: I haven't tried it myself, just info from wine appdb
[22:23] <trism> FuRom: although they list connecting to the ipod touch as one of the things not working, so maybe not as helpful *shrugs*
[22:23] <Evito> im about to start studying basic C++, someone suggest a compiler etc tools i need?
[22:23] <jpds> Evito: g++ ?
[22:24] <Evito> C++
[22:24] <Billiard> Evito: i use codeblocks for an ide
[22:24] <Evito> dont assume i know anything about coding at this point
[22:24] <jpds> Evito: g++ is the GNU C++ compiler.
[22:24] <thedude42> Evito, g++ is the compile/build tool
[22:24] <Evito> ah ok
[22:24] <Evito> very big thanks
[22:24] <jpds> Evito: build-essential should install everything you need to build things.
[22:24] <Evito> i hope its easy enough to setup for learning purposes?
[22:25] <thedude42> Evito, there is plenty of documentation for beginners to expert
[22:25] <Evito> i got several tutorials as pdf now
[22:25] <Evito> just wanted some tip on compiler to use
[22:25] <Evito> and thats what i got, many thanks
[22:26] <VXxed> Hye guys?
[22:27] <VXxed> How do I ACTUALLY report a bug on launchpad?
[22:27] <VXxed> Because it keeps redirecting me to the "how to report a bug" page no matter what
[22:27] <VXxed> So I can't..do anything
[22:27] <jpds> VXxed: Try #launchpad.
[22:27] <trism> !bugs | VXxed
[22:28] <VXxed> My bug report is about acpi not loading right.
[22:28] <VXxed> So it's not about a single package
[22:28] <VXxed> And I can't seem to get much help about it
[22:29] <SeanInSeattle> Anyone know of a good tutorial on chmod?  I'm trying to set permissions on a few directories, and its been a while since I've tried to use it.
[22:29] <SeanInSeattle> !chmod
[22:29] <thedude42> SeanInSeattle, man chmod will get you the basics, otherwise google for chmod howto
[22:30] <m0ar> The fans on my laptop are always at 100% speed, how to set them to be lowered by temp?
[22:30] <lucifer_> @m0ar: i think thats ssomething to do with bios
[22:32] <Evito> Ok someone give the noob a private chat as to how to get myself the G++ compiler installed and ready to use
[22:32] <m0ar> When I maximize anything playing with Flash it appears on my laptop screen, no my other one that is set as Main.. Fix?
[22:32] <Billiard> Evito: install build-essential
[22:32] <jrood> grub2 isn't working, how can I use my ubuntu live cd to go back to grub 1
[22:32] <scunizi> Evito: sudo apt-get install build-essential  .. will install all you need typically
[22:32] <Evito> would have imagined it would be install g++ heheh
[22:33] <kaptainkranium> Can someone assist me? my wireless is extremely slow in ubuntu but not vista
[22:33] <jpds> Evito: It does.
[22:33] <scunizi> Evito: build-essential pulls in a number of other things needed
[22:33] <buu> Oh god
[22:33] <scunizi> part 2
[22:34] <kaptainkranium> aaanyone?
[22:34] <buu> Is there some kind of process running on a fairly standard ubuntu install that would interfere with me setting the ip for an interface manually?
[22:34] <jrood> anyone know how to revert back to grub from grub2 with a ubuntu live cd?
[22:34] <OliverK> kaptainkranium: update your drivers if you can
[22:34] <Jordan_U> buu: Network-manager
[22:34] <kaptainkranium> OliverK: How do I go about doing that?
[22:34] <OliverK> that i do not know
[22:34] <buu> Jordan_U: ah
[22:35] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: what are you trying to change the permissions of?  sometimes it's more beneficial to become a member of the group instead.. line apache2.. the group name is www-data
[22:35] <OliverK> i don't normally use ubuntu :D
[22:35] <Jordan_U> buu: You can either disable / remove it or just set up a static ip from network manager
[22:35] <buu> Jordan_U: I stopped it. All is now well.
[22:35] <SeanInSeattle> scunizi =>  I'm trying to give rwx permissions to a specific user, when I'm logged in as root.
[22:36] <buu> Thanks.
[22:36] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: for files in your /home? or someplace in root?
[22:37] <SeanInSeattle> scunizi =>  sorry, I meant to say that I'm trying to assign rwx permissions on the /home/ directory itself, so that the user can create directories, files, etc on that leve.
[22:37] <SeanInSeattle> level*
[22:37] <Paulo39> hi, a friend of mine have bought Asus Eee PC 1005 HA-H and installed ubuntu. But he is not catching wireless net, his wireless board is atheros ar9285, can you help me? he is a newbie in linux (and i am almost one too)
[22:37] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: and the /home is a different users /home?
[22:38] <Helios> hello all i have ubuntu on my box
[22:38] <SeanInSeattle> scunizi:  it is the directory in which all users have their home
[22:38] <Helios> i cant install unrar
[22:38] <Billiard> Helios: what is the error?
[22:38] <jpds> Helios: Have you enabled the multiverse respository in System -> Admin -> Software Sources?
[22:39] <Helios> Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[22:39] <Helios> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[22:39] <Helios> is only available from another source
[22:39] <Helios> E: Package unrar has no installation candidate
[22:39] <FloodBot3> Helios: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:39] <SeanInSeattle> basically, I'm the only user on my laptop, and its a dev box, so I want the ability to create files/directories anywhere below /home/ without have to sudo / su
[22:39] <Jordan_U> Paulo39: What version of Ubuntu?
[22:39] <Helios> jpds i have it in console mode
[22:39] <jpds> Helios: Do what I said, and try again.
[22:39] <Paulo39> 9.04
[22:39] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: so.. say Bill has a home of /home/bill .. you want to give bill permissions to add files/directories to /home and keep his permissions in /home/bill  right?
[22:39] <Jordan_U> Paulo39: Try installing linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[22:40] <Helios> jpds i dont have it on Xwindows :( i am using it from console
[22:40] <SeanInSeattle> scunizi =>  That's about right.  I want Bill to be able to create directories and files below /home/, as well as being able to access all of his normal files in /home/bill/
[22:40] <jpds> Helios: Oh, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment (remove the #) from the line with multiverse in it.
[22:40] <llutz> Helios: xwindow, no "s" ;)
[22:40] <Helios> jpds i dont have any line with multiverse on my sources.list
[22:41] <jet_> hello, anybody could help me to setup netatalk ?
[22:41] <jpds> Helios: Then add something like: deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic multiverse
[22:41] <Jordan_U> Helios: "sudo software-properties-gtk -e universe"
[22:41] <Paulo39> Jordan_U, but, if he is without net, how can he do that?
[22:41] <SeanInSeattle> So, I'm logged in as root, and I want to give bill his permissions on the home directory as I've previously described.  I use what command?
[22:42] <Helios> it has only jaunty inside
[22:42] <Jordan_U> Paulo39: Connect wired, or grab the package on another machine, or install karmic when it comes out in a few days and it should work out of the box
[22:42] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: well.. below /home/bill is /home and owned by root.. below /home is definitely owned by root.. if you change the permissions there then bill will have access to everyone's /home/<username> directories and below.. why do you want to create arbituary files and directories there?
[22:42] <jpds> Helios: Oh, change the line as necessary.
[22:42] <Paulo39> Jordan_U, ok
[22:42] <Helios> jpds ?
[22:42] <jpds> Helios: so instead of karmic, jaunty, and instead of gb.archive, your local mirror.
[22:43] <jamescarr> how can I make an export command I run  from the commandline permanent?
[22:43] <Lint01> SeanInSeattle, Linux permission system is from 70s, totally obsolete
[22:43] <SeanInSeattle> Ah, well, that's the difference between administrating a server, and being the owner and primary user of a laptop.  ;)
[22:43] <trism> jamescarr: add it to ~/.bashrc
[22:43] <llutz> scunizi: homes should be user:usergrp 750, so nobody else will write there
[22:44] <syrius> why is ubuntu not secure
[22:44] <jpds> syrius: It is.
[22:44] <syrius> I didn't do any tweaking
[22:44] <syrius> and someone hacked my machine
[22:44] <syrius> he knows that I don't have a swap parition
[22:44] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: I disagree with Lint01 .. he sounds like a recent windows user.  when you admin a server then you change things only as root.. either by using sudo or logging in as root with sudo -i.. Personally I wouldn't change the permissioins
[22:44] <roger2> hello,whats the command to show me what sound card hardware i have?
[22:44] <kaptainkranium> Can someone help me figure out why my wireless is running so slow in ubuntu?
[22:45] <scunizi> SeanInSeattle: but if you want check out what llutz said a few lines above.
[22:45] <jpds> syrius: Well, how do you think he get in?
[22:45] <syrius> dunno
[22:45] <jpds> syrius: Find out then, and fix the problem. :)
[22:45] <lstarnes> syrius: what proof do you have that he cracked your machine?
[22:46] <syrius> because he knows I don't have a swap partition
[22:46] <m0ar> My flashplayer maximizes movies on the wrong screen. The screen with Firefox IS main and active.. How come?
[22:46] <lstarnes> syrius: couldn't he have just made a lucky guess that you didn't have one?
[22:46] <jpds> syrius: There's a 50% chance he's right about that in any case.
[22:46] <Billiard> roger2: lspci, maybe
[22:46] <SeanInSeattle> Thanks scunizi / llutz.  I see both perspectives.   I appreciate your time.
[22:47] <Helios> jpds it works fine now :) can you tell me how i can install that  libstdc++.so.5 ?
[22:47] <DarwinSurvivor> how can i find out which package is keeping another one back from updating?
[22:48] <lstarnes> Helios: sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[22:48] <scunizi> Helios: you're obviously not "The Helios" unless there's a difference in the spelling..
[22:48] <roger2> thanks will try
[22:48] <DarwinSurvivor> my server has been giving me "the following packages have been kept back: linux-image-server linux-restricted-modules-server linux-server" for about a month now
[22:48] <jpds> Helios: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libstdc%2B%2B.so.5&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[22:48] <Billiard> Darwin: apt-get install linux-server
[22:48] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[22:49] <DarwinSurvivor> lstarnes: so it's just saying it's kept back from upgrading to karmic? (currently running jaunty)
[22:49] <roger2> is there a "scandisk" ubuntu gui version?
[22:49] <scunizi> Helios: just in case you've never heard of him.. :) (other than the greek reference) http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
[22:49] <rob0917> waiting for 9.10 is killing me
[22:49] <Potatohead> Syrius you could try using a firewall to give yourself a little extra comfort or read up on Apparmor here is one such firewall http://www.getdeb.net/app/gufw
[22:49] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: dist-upgrade does not upgrade to the next distro version
[22:49] <erUSUL> roger2: gparted an check filesystems
[22:49] <jpds> rob0917: So... install the release candidate?
[22:50] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: it updates all the installed packages to the newest version for your current version's repos
[22:50] <rob0917> cool thanks
[22:50] <trism> DarwinSurvivor: apt-get upgrade will only update currently install packages, dist-upgrade will upgrade to new packages (or tries to)
[22:50] <syrius> I use firewall Potatohead
[22:50] <syrius> I am also behind a router
[22:50] <roger2> erUSUL: what name do I use to search in synaptics
[22:50] <DarwinSurvivor> trism: why would new packages (that are not installed) need to be updated?
[22:50] <DevelopmentStage> What's the easiest way to configure start-up services on Ubuntu?  Rcconf no longer works in Karmic.
[22:50] <erUSUL> roger2: gparted
[22:50] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: full-upgrade is the actual name for it.  dist-upgrade is an alias
[22:50] <Evito> oh man, why isnt there a command -noob for gcc haha
[22:50] <trism> DarwinSurvivor: the new kernel is considered a new package
[22:51] <roger2> gracias
[22:51] <Sahkolihaa> Would anyone know why Rhythmbox, Banshee and Exhaile all have a delay when changing the volume? I'm on an Audigy 2 ZS.
[22:51] <jpds> Potatohead: Apparmor is not a firewall.
[22:51] <DarwinSurvivor> trism: ah, i thought the kernel would just upgrade like a regular package :P
[22:51] <jpds> Evito: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=392330
[22:51] <Anathema> Sahkolihaa: as an uneducated guess I'd say the buffered music isn't having it's volume adjusted, but I really have no idea
[22:51] <Potatohead> jpds I know but you can control apps with it, which is what can expose you to the world
[22:52] <Potatohead> Ports thatis
[22:52] <Evito> thanks a load again jpds!!
[22:52] <jpds> syrius: Do you have any proof that he actually got into your system?
[22:52] <jpds> Evito: No problem.
[22:52] <scunizi> Evito: not really sure about this.. but write the code in nano or gedit then run make.. ./configure .. make install or something like that.. I don't code but have attempted to compile occationally.. other's can shed more light on it.
[22:52] <Sahkolihaa> Anathema: It does sound like a buffer problem but I don't know where to change the buffer. I think they all use gstreamer.
[22:52] <scunizi> guess they have.. while I was typing. :)
[22:52] <Evelina> I want to bypass some sites limitation of server calls. How do I do it? Using proxy servers or what?
[22:52] <DevelopmentStage> Anyone know how to configure startup services?  I used to use rcconf but it dont work in Karmic..What other ways are there?
[22:53] <carpenike> hi all. I'm not able to pickup anything plugged into my Via VT8251 southbridge chipset's SATA ports inside Mythbuntu 9.10.
[22:53] <Evelina> I'm going to call the servers by using lynx or wgat.
[22:53] <m0ar> How to install KDE 4.3.2 at Ubuntu 9.10?
[22:53] <Evelina> *wget
[22:53] <Potatohead> I would have to say that he did a lucky guess on you not having a swap unless he has more I wouldn't even think about it.
[22:53] <llutz> DevelopmentStage: #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[22:53] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: you could try bum, but this channel doesn't support karmic yet.  join #ubuntu+1
[22:53] <carpenike> Trying to detect a DVD drive nowand it's not finding anything.
[22:53] <jpds> m0ar: Install kubuntu-desktop
[22:53] <syrius> no jpds
[22:53] <lstarnes> m0ar: #ubuntu+1 is the channel for karmic
[22:53] <m0ar> jpds: No adding repos any more? :o
[22:53] <Billiard> DevelopmentStage: update-rc.d  ?
[22:53] <m0ar> lstarnes: Thanks
[22:53] <DarwinSurvivor> lstarnes: i'm not running karmic, still on jaunty
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, what is the name of the service nautilus uses to 'watch' files for changes?
[22:53] <carpenike> 00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8251 AHCI/SATA 4-Port Controller
[22:53] <lstarnes> DarwinSurvivor: sorry, wrong person
[22:53] <DarwinSurvivor> lstarnes: no problem
[22:54] <m0ar> jpds: Sure about that?
[22:54] <erUSUL> tonyyarusso: is not a service afaik it uses inotify (a kernel API)
[22:54] <jpds> m0ar: Not really, I use GNOME. ;)
[22:54] <Hexxeh> Hey
[22:54] <m0ar> jpds: Never been like that anyways
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> erUSUL: ah, excellent.  Do you know anything about making other programs use it?
[22:54] <Hexxeh> I've got a VPS I've ordered, and it's running Ubuntu 8.04, but I'm not given root. Is there any way to find out what kind of chunk of the CPU I have?
[22:55] <tonyyarusso> Hexxeh: err, if you don't have root, it's not a VPS.
[22:55] <jpds> Hexxeh: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:55] <Hexxeh> it is tonyyarusso, i'm just not given the root password
[22:55] <comicinker> how can I make pulseaudio run on a server?
[22:56] <Hexxeh> jpds: that tells me the cpu on the host box, is there any way to find out how much cpu time i'm given?
[22:56] <jorik> Hexxeh: look in your contract
[22:56] <Hexxeh> not specified. it's a seedbox i've been given and they've basically said as long as you don't ask us, we don't care what you do with it
[22:57] <Hexxeh> now i don't care for torrenting, so i'm trying to see what i can do with it
[22:57] <erUSUL> tonyyarusso: you have to use tha api directly and i think there is a couple of binaries to use it from scripts
[22:57] <HBX> whats the channel for karmic
[22:57] <Hexxeh> but it's only a 512mb ram instance, and there's a bunch of stuff running on it like transmission/mysql i don't need and don't seem to be able to kill
[22:57] <eric1> Can anyone help with a question about video display driver setup?
[22:57] <lstarnes> HBX: #ubuntu+1
[22:57] <erUSUL> tonyyarusso: inotifywatch and inotifywait
[22:57] <HBX> thanks
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> erUSUL: Well that's a start, thanks
[22:58] <scunizi> eric1: ask and someone will answer
[22:58] <erUSUL> tonyyarusso: i spect that most scripting langs have wrapper for it too
[22:58] <eric1> Is this a sign something is broken:
[22:58] <erUSUL> tonyyarusso: man 7 inotify
[22:58] <eric1> eric@acer3000:~$ lshw -c video
[22:58] <eric1> WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
[22:58] <eric1>   *-display UNCLAIMED
[22:58] <eric1>        description: VGA compatible controller
[22:58] <eric1>        product: 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[22:58] <FloodBot3> eric1: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:58] <eric1>        vendor: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]
[22:59] <blaz2> Hi! Can you help, I cannot deactivate password authentication for 'sudo' in Karmic, suspecting a bug
[22:59] <tonyyarusso> erUSUL: Yeah, looks like there's a python library at least.
[22:59] <KB1JWQ> blaz2: man sudo
[22:59] <KB1JWQ> You need to specify NOPASSWD blaz2
[22:59] <rkvirani> Any good howtos on perserving batterylife in ubuntu?  Or should I just stick with windows for good battery life?
[22:59] <scunizi> eric1: you have a sis card.. in the 661/741/760 series.. google "sis chrome ubuntu" and see what comes up.. sis is notoriously a pain
[23:00] <erUSUL> rkvirani: www.lesswatts.org
[23:00] <erUSUL> rkvirani: powertop
[23:00] <fbianconi> !sudo | blaz2
[23:00] <twan_vdp> can anyone tell me how to "unbind" a port, i have been testing an application on a perticular port but now it says its in use, i tried to ill the process but it didnt work
[23:00] <blaz2> KB1JWQ: i did what /etc/sudoers file told me to
[23:01] <Billiard> blaz2: pastebin your sudoers
[23:01] <a7p> twan_vdp: there is no specific "unbinding" - there is stille something blocking the port.
[23:01] <a7p> may be your app is still running (at least partitally)
[23:01] <carpenike> where is the grub boot parameters in ubuntu?
[23:01] <blaz2> Billiard: ok, just a minute...
[23:01] <carpenike> I don't see it inside /boot/grub/...
[23:01] <ikonia> carpenike: in your menu.lst grub options
[23:01] <KB1JWQ> blaz2: Ignore what the file says, follow the man page.
[23:01] <roger2> i cant find gparted in synaptic
[23:01] <carbm2> twan_vdp, "sudo killall -9 APPNAME"  should kill it for sure.
[23:01] <erUSUL> carpenike: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:02] <roger2> any other GUI scandisk utility
[23:02] <KB1JWQ> !gparted
[23:02] <oplanetamichelin> cc
[23:02] <carpenike> ikonia: is it inside the /boot/grub directory?
[23:02] <ikonia> carpenike: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:02] <carpenike> ikonia: what if i don't have that file?
[23:02] <erUSUL> carpenike: or are you using grub2 (karmic) ?
[23:02] <carpenike> grub2
[23:02] <carpenike> 9.10.
[23:03] <rkvirani> erUSUL: thanks much, do you think linux can get as efficient as windows when it comes to battery life?
[23:03] <ikonia> carpenike: then you need #ubuntu+1 for 9.10 support
[23:03] <erUSUL> carpenike: ask in #ubuntu+1 --> /etc/default/grub /etc/grub.d/
[23:03] <carpenike> k thx
[23:03] <carbm2> carpenike, /etc/default/grub
[23:03] <rednammoc> hey guys. i installed ubuntu server 2.6.24-16, made sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install encfs. After that i wanted to mount my encrypted fs. after "encfs /media/mount-dir ~/mount-point" following appeared:
[23:03] <rednammoc>  Creating new encrypted volume.
[23:03] <rednammoc> Please choose from one of the following options:
[23:03] <rednammoc>  enter "x" for expert configuration mode,
[23:03] <rednammoc>  enter "p" for pre-configured paranoia mode,
[23:03] <FloodBot3> rednammoc: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:03] <rednammoc>  anything else, or an empty line will select standard mode.
[23:03] <carbm2> carpenike,  or somewhere near there.
[23:03] <e3co> what is the method of setting up a wireless usb logitech  mouse and keyboard. Just plugging it in didn't work... Whats next?
[23:03] <erUSUL> rkvirani: really hard to tell... you can tweak a lot of things for sure
[23:04] <Billiard> e3co: turn them on?
[23:04] <rkvirani> erUSUL: good to know
[23:04] <existed> heyy guys
[23:04] <scunizi> e3co: pair them?
[23:04] <e3co> Billiard:  did that...
[23:04] <rkvirani> thanks for the rescource, I might consider ubuntu for my laptop as well as desktop (currently only desktop)
[23:04] <rednammoc> hey guys. i installed ubuntu server 2.6.24-16, made sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install encfs. After that i wanted to mount my encrypted fs. after "encfs /media/mount-dir ~/mount-point" he wants me to create a new encrypted volume ? does somebody knows whats going on ?
[23:05] <e3co> scunizi:  yes they are on one reciever
[23:05] <scunizi> e3co: but you might need to re-pair them to the receiver
[23:05] <existed> is any1 here east ladder?
[23:05] <e3co> scunizi:  did that
[23:05] <Billiard> rednammoc: you are trying to mount /media/mount-dir ?
[23:05] <mikejet> how do you connect to the rs232 port, anyway? tip?
[23:06] <rednammoc> Billiard: yep
[23:06] <Helios> i need when my box start up to run authomaticaly from /opt/jrun4/bin/ ./jrun connextalk
[23:06] <erUSUL> mikejet: with minicom ?
[23:06] <erUSUL> Helios: call it from /etc/rc.local
[23:06] <Billiard> rednammoc: ive never used encfs, but dont you need to mount a device not a directory?
[23:07] <e3co> erUSUL:  is that where boot time stuff loads?
[23:07] <Helios> guys where i can write a script to run progrems on start
[23:07] <Helios> i need when my box start up to run authomaticaly from /opt/jrun4/bin/ ./jrun connextalk
[23:07] <erUSUL> e3co: is the last script the boot process run used for all stuff quick and dirty or that just do not fit anywhere else
[23:08] <erUSUL> Helios: already told you how
[23:08] <rednammoc> Billiard: nope. i need to mount a folder. at my home pc it works. do you know how to check the version of the app. probably there's a version-mismatch
[23:08] <dumont> will i be able to compile rar package for jaunty or karmic with multithreading support onto my hardy ubuntu OS?
[23:08] <blaz2> Billiard: here's my /etc/sudoers: http://pastebin.com/m7367a6e0  sorry for delay it was on another machine
[23:08] <Helios> erUSUL how m8? where is that script
[23:08] <e3co> erUSUL:  thans
[23:08] <erUSUL> Helios: here /etc/rc.local
[23:09] <Billiard> blaz2: are you a member of the sudo group?
[23:09] <erUSUL> Helios: put a line like this "/opt/jrun4/bin/jrun connextalk" before the "Cexit 0" line
[23:09] <ikonia> the sudo group is the admin group
[23:09] <erUSUL> Helios: keep in mind that it will run as root
[23:10] <blaz2> Billiard: yes I see 'sudo' in the output of 'groups'
[23:10] <trism> blaz2: there is a thread about this on the ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1284328
[23:10] <erUSUL> Helios: put a line like this "/opt/jrun4/bin/jrun connextalk" before the "exit 0" line; sorry for the typo
[23:11] <trapper-> how can i dig deeper to find out why im getting such terrible samba read speeds over wifi 150KB/s. (write speed is fine and, wired is fine both ways) Is there an error log i should be checking or something i can capture in wireshark?
[23:11] <Deihmos> when the official 9.10 is released would i have to reinstall?
[23:11] <trism> blaz2: there is a post at the bottom of the second page that lists a possible solution
[23:11] <erUSUL> !final | Deihmos
[23:12] <erUSUL> Deihmos: if you are in jaunty you can upgrade without reinstalling
[23:12] <carbm2> Anybody know if there is a program that would let me SNAP windows just like the new Windows 7 feature shown on the commercials?  I did a quick search for "snap" in Ubuntu Software Center. Just curious if anybody had a quick answer.
[23:12] <mQQsh> hey.. im trying to run an .exe file thats on my desktop with wine using terminal.  How can I locate the desktop in wine?  I tried cd Desktop but it keep giving me an error saying no such file or directory.
[23:12] <blaz2> trism: thanks! i'll try that, but nevertheless if %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL doesn't work then there is something wrong..
[23:13] <Deihmos> i missed that. when the official 9.10 is released would i have to reinstall
[23:13] <mQQsh> I mean how can i locate the desktop in terminal
[23:13] <midnight_tiger> Is anyone able to offer some advice as to how to get my sound working? =)
[23:13] <erUSUL> carbm2: what is snap? compiz can do a lot of things with windows
[23:13] <trism> blaz2: yeah it is likely either a bug or they disabled it on purpose, because it isn't just you
[23:13] <midnight_tiger> I've tried everything, just doesn't want to work
[23:13] <erUSUL> mQQsh: cd ~/Desktop
[23:13] <scunizi> mQQsh: cd ~/Desktop/
[23:14] <Billiard> blaz2: try %sudo  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[23:14] <blaz2> Billiard: tried, didn't work either
[23:14] <mQQsh> awesome thanks guys
[23:14] <Bookman> I'm having a problem with Evolution and sending mail.  I have the smtp information entered correctly but it just times out when trying to send mail.
[23:14] <scunizi> Bookman: then you don't have it set correctly.. is this for google?
[23:15] <Helios> erUSUL working now thanks m8 you are great
[23:15] <Helios> how i can see what proccess running on my box :?
[23:15] <erUSUL> Helios: no problem
[23:15] <Bookman> No, Rogers.  I just confirmed all settings with their tech support.
[23:15] <erUSUL> Helios: ps ef | less
[23:15] <Helios> erUSUL i mean services
[23:15] <scunizi> Bookman: port numbers etc?..
[23:15] <Helios> is the same command for services?
[23:15] <jar> Anyone else have an issue on netboox remix where gnome-terminal always opens in / rather than ~ ?
[23:15] <jar> 9.10
[23:16] <Bookman> scunizi, I see no place in Evolution to specify a port number
[23:16] <scunizi> #ubuntu+1 for 9.10 support jar
[23:16] <jar> scunizi, thanks
[23:16] <ariqz> something in Ubuntu uses my connection for updates or god knows what when I don't want it to. It chokes out my dialup connection and fucks up what I'm doing. How the hell do I turn off auto updates or whatever retarded feature this is?
[23:16] <erUSUL> Helios: no easy way to tell services from other long running processes
[23:17] <Helios> erUSUL so i cant see what services running on my box?
[23:17] <trism> Helios: maybe service --status-all
[23:17] <trism> Helios: output doesn't seem terribly helpful though
[23:18] <Powersource> anyone know a drawing program except gimp, that is more like ms paint?
[23:18] <erUSUL> Helios: you can see all the processes all the processes that run under any user or as your user or the ones that are sleeping vs the ones that are running. ps can output a lot of info
[23:18] <blaz2> trism: thanks! amazingly it works with %"myusergroup" ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL   thanks guys!
[23:18] <scunizi> Bookman: sorry.. I was checking mine to see .. and low and behold.. no port numbers.. but I didn't tic the secured login option.. you might try thunderbird..
[23:18] <trapper-> anyone know how to pick up wifi errors in wireshark?
[23:19] <GuyS> I have Januty with latest updates on an HP 1222nr Pavilion laptop -- today on resume from suspend my window borders/decorations did not draw. I created a new test user and window decorations DID draw. I have reinstalled all gnome/metacity packages; I have enabled compiz/emarald. Right now, I can get the window decorations/border enbaled by either typing 'metacity --replace' or 'compiz --replace' in a terminal session, but after logging out,
[23:19] <GuyS> the change is not persistant and I have to redo the '--replace' commands. Seems something is corrupted, but I don't know what needs to be removed to get things back to normal.
[23:19] <erUSUL> Powersource: xpaint or you need something more profesional? for kids tuxpaint is great
[23:19] <Helios> erUSUL is any command to show me how memory and RAM used ?
[23:19] <Powersource> erUSUL, something between gimp and ms paint
[23:20] <erUSUL> Helios: free -m
[23:20] <Billiard> Helios: free
[23:20] <scunizi> Bookman: thunderbird with the sunbird option or "lightening" will give you email, calendar, & tasks
[23:20] <thijs_> hey there.
[23:20] <ariqz> something in Ubuntu uses my connection for updates or god knows what when I don't want it to. It chokes out my dialup connection and fucks up what I'm doing.  Does somebody has any idea how to check the version of an installed app?
[23:20] <erUSUL> Powersource: dunno...
[23:20] <erUSUL> !version | rednammoc
[23:20] <llutz> rednammoc: apt-cache policy package
[23:21] <erUSUL> !language | ariqz
[23:21] <thedude42> GuyS did this happen after an update, or out of the blue?  because there were just 2 decent sized update groups, including a kernel update, in the last week
[23:21] <Helios> erUSUL and for my Proccessor?
[23:21] <Bookman> scunizi, It used to work just fine....not sure exactly what went wrong.  I don't think just switching mail programs is the right thing to do..
[23:21] <thijs_> I've did a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 desktop on my laptop, however i can't connect to the internet with a wired cable. Lspci tells me there is a configured ethernet controller
[23:21] <erUSUL> Helios: processor model ? less /proc/cpuinfo
[23:21] <Jordan_U> thijs_: Are you using DHCP?
[23:21] <scunizi> Bookman: disable the account and recreate it again as a secondary
[23:22] <thijs_> Jordan_U, it's a fresh install, so yes
[23:22] <erUSUL> Helios: system>admin>system monitor is a good app too
[23:22] <Helios> ok
[23:22] <Helios> thanks
[23:22] <ariqz> !annoy_feature | erUSUL
[23:22] <VXxed> Question
[23:22] <Jordan_U> thijs_: I meant do you have a DHCP server on your network
[23:22] <VXxed> My fans don't work, and I'm not sure if the ACPI is loading properly
[23:22] <GuyS> thedude42: It happened post upgrade. Just this afternoon in fact. I did a suspend to go to church, and on resume about 3 hours later, not window decorations
[23:22] <LjL> ariqz: what are you trying to achieve with the bot?
[23:23] <thijs_> Yes, I have just used the cable on this laptop to test it, the other laptop is next to me, but it won't connect
[23:23] <ariqz> a conversation
[23:23] <GuyS> thedude42: I did the updates earlier in the week.
[23:23] <Powersource> erUSUL, though tuxpaint may just be perfect for my little brother
[23:23] <LjL> ariqz: well, it's a bot, you can't have a conversation with it. also, please use a private query (/query ubottu) to test it out, instead of this channel.
[23:24] <RobLikesBrunch> Hello, I have a quick question about getting my Audio Card working
[23:24] <RobLikesBrunch> This article says it works: http://techgage.com/article/using_the_asus_xonar_essence_stx_under_linux/
[23:24] <RobLikesBrunch> BUT, I have no idea how to get to the system menu he's in
[23:24] <erUSUL> Powersource: ;) my little cousin enjoyed it for years
[23:24] <RobLikesBrunch> Or...how to configure it at least
[23:24] <thijs_> Jordan_U, Yes, I have just used the cable on this laptop to test it, the other laptop is next to me, but it won't connect
[23:25] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: he's using kde
[23:25] <Jordan_U> thijs_: Can you ( with a thumb drive and another computer if needed ) pastebin the output of "ifconfig", "nm-tool", "route -n" and after getting those, the output of "sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[23:25] <e3co> what is the best calculator in ubuntu to deal with imaginary numbers?
[23:25] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: that's kde's systemsettings
[23:25] <omgd> Hello im tryin t oget my eyetoy camera working as a webcam. It works but the picture it shows has white lines through it, any ideas?
[23:25] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: in channel please
[23:25] <RobLikesBrunch> oops
[23:25] <RobLikesBrunch> Sorry.
[23:25] <Jordan_U> e3co: bc
[23:25] <RobLikesBrunch> Is there anyway I can control the card?
[23:25] <thijs_> Jordan_U, ok, will do that. hang on please
[23:26] <Jordan_U> e3co: Well, depends on what you want it for actually
[23:26] <Helios> erUSUL i dont have graphical my ubuntu, how i can give more megabytes on SWAP ?
[23:26] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: system -> preferences -> sound is gnome's equivalent settings section
[23:26] <thedude42> GuyS, so you can look in your /var/log/apt/term.log and see the packages that were installed, and find the one that put stuff somewhere in your .gnome2 directory
[23:26] <e3co> I want to answer and show work for complex numbers - sqrt and standard
[23:26] <erUSUL> Helios: you can make a swapfile if you do not want to edit paritions
[23:26] <RobLikesBrunch> I saw that, but my card has multiple outputs, and I haven't found a way to control between them
[23:26] <maco> thedude42: packages dont touch your ~/.gnome2
[23:26] <Bookman> scunizi, nope, still no go.  Just times out
[23:26] <maco> thedude42: the program may on its first run, however
[23:26] <Ihateapache> I finally fixed ubuntu apacha
[23:27] <e3co> it would also be nice if I could put print up my math home work as well
[23:27] <Helios> erUSUL swap file is the econical RAM right?
[23:27] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: ah... hmm padevchooser maybe?
[23:27] <Ihateapache> now, how do I get ubuntu to acknowledge .htaccess?
[23:27] <mQQsh> is it possible to force quit a program?
[23:27] <RobLikesBrunch> Give me a moment, I'll install it and see.
[23:27] <erUSUL> Helios: no swapfile is another way of adding swap space the other one is the usual swap partition
[23:27] <Ihateapache> kill -9, last measure though
[23:27] <e3co> mQQsh:  there is a panel applet for it
[23:27] <ariqz> any feature that uses your connection without your explicit approval is a terrible idea.  If you using gnome you can add an applet to your panel that force quits applets
[23:28] <Ihateapache> kill -9 [pid]
[23:28] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: or pavucontrol
[23:28] <Jordan_U> mQQsh: Yes, System > Administration > System Monitor or "pkill" from a terminal
[23:28] <thedude42> maco, you're saying that there wouldn't ever be a postinstall script that parsed through the home directories looking for a specific file to update/add/edit under .gnome2, or some other ~/.* config file?
[23:28] <Jeruvy> Ihateapache: not sure what you mean by 'ubuntu ack' but if the .htaccess is in a documentroot directory or any other it will read it.  This is strictly apaches work tho.
[23:28] <Billiard> Ihateapache: apache is ignoring .htaccess file rules currently?
[23:28] <e3co> can't you kill right from top?
[23:28] <e3co> I know it has commands in the interface
[23:28] <Helios> erUSUL what is the command to make another one SWAP FILE ?
[23:29] <maco> thedude42: since those directories will vary by user, thatd be just a *bit* odd...and id be extremely surprised if it wasnt a violation of some debian maintainer rules
[23:29] <e3co> mkswap
[23:29] <GuyS> thedude42: do you suggest the .gnome2 dir is where the window settings are stored? If so, what might explain the lack of persistence of the settings after logging out -- right now I have the window decorations, but they are lost on logout. btw - I have chown -R user:group for myself on ~/* so that shouldn't be an issue.
[23:29] <e3co> Why two Helios?
[23:29] <erUSUL> ariqz: System>Admin>software Sources || third tab updates. disable automatic updates
[23:29] <Ihateapache> Billiard: Yes, I even tried changing AllowOverride under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default with no sucess
[23:29] <erUSUL> Helios: are you really filling up your aviable swap space ?
[23:29] <xrdodrx> What do I need to record TV from directv for viewing on an ubuntu pc?
[23:30] <Billiard> Ihateapache: reloaded apache then?
[23:30] <RobLikesBrunch> Maco...how exactly do you talk in red text like that, in-chat?
[23:30] <ariqz> erUSUL, I already got rid of that
[23:30] <erUSUL> !who | RobLikesBrunch
[23:30] <Ihateapache> Billiard:  i think it's working so far, we will see
[23:30] <e3co> Helios:  what are your system specs?  with 3gb of ram I have never filled more then 5% of wap
[23:31] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: im not talking in colored text... it could just be your client's way of saying "hey! someone said your name!"
[23:31] <e3co> swap
[23:31] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: when someone says my name, it gets highlighted with a pink background
[23:31] <ctmjr> xrdodrx: a tv tuner card an an app like freevo or mythtv
[23:31] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: on my client
[23:31] <RobLikesBrunch> So I just type your name before I type the message?
[23:31] <thedude42> GuyS, honestly I think the bug has more to do with how your system is resuming from suspend, but if something 'changed' that caused the problem that would be where to look for something that would explain the temp user not experiencing the same behaviour
[23:31] <erUSUL> RobLikesBrunch: exactly
[23:31] <blaz2> trism: no sorry actually %"myusergroup" ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL didnt't work either..
[23:32] <RobLikesBrunch> maco does this work?
[23:32] <maco> RobLikesBrunch: yep
[23:32] <ariqz> Is there a distribution of linux that isn't so uppity? I don't want a million different updates all the time. I can care less about every little "fix" and I'd prefer having a package that was done right the first time. I'm in no rush to get the newest silly thing
[23:32] <trism> blaz2: did you replace myusergroup with the group of your user?
[23:32] <WilliamC_> Which is newer, Wine or Wine 1.2?
[23:32] <Billiard> ariqz: just dont run the updates then
[23:32] <maco> ariqz: debian?
[23:32] <erUSUL> ariqz: go ask in ##linux
[23:32] <maco> Billiard: bad plan
[23:32] <thedude42> ariqz, slackware and gentoo
[23:32] <maco> oh god
[23:32] <erUSUL> !ot
[23:32] <RobLikesBrunch> maco Pulse doesn't find the card
[23:32] <jrib> ariqz: use ubuntu and only enable security updates, not others...
[23:32] <wgrant> WilliamC_: Wine 1.2. It is currently in beta.
[23:32] <blaz2> trism: yes, and tried with and without " "
[23:33] <WilliamC_> wgrant, lol, grant is my middle name.
[23:33]  * erUSUL raises his "do not feed the troll" sign
[23:33] <nutterpc> lol
[23:33] <wgrant> Uhoh.
[23:33] <WGrantC> Lets make things confusing
[23:33] <nutterpc> but trolls give tasty candy
[23:33] <nutterpc> lol
[23:34] <rednammoc> llutz: thx
[23:34] <thijs_> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.com/f6dbdba70 also i found this quite suspicious: http://pastebin.com/f5cd85d82
[23:34] <lordganesh>  i have one problem in ubuntu .....whenever i reboot my sound automatically goes off...any solution...
[23:35] <GuyS> thedude42: <hmmm> I've reinstalled multiple packages and logged out/in and restarted *many* times over the past four hours. So though the resume from suspend may have triggered the issue at first, it is its persistence now that is aggravating after all that I've done, especially as it occurs with both the metacity and compiz/emarald systems.
[23:35] <lordganesh>  i have one problem in ubuntu .....whenever i reboot my sound automatically mute...any solution...
[23:35] <ariqz> maybe I'm trolling, but I'm aggravated because ubuntu stole my connection to download some retarded thing and made me lose a poker tournament.
[23:35] <thijs_> Jordan_U, the network part, but the  ethernet one seems to work?
[23:35] <WilliamC2> Has anyone tried playing that free version of Sim City Classic?
[23:35] <Billiard> ariqz: i hate when downloads make me lose poker tournaments
[23:35] <thedude42> GuyS, you need to include --purge in the uninstall if you want the configurations files to be removed, otherwise they stay
[23:35] <Billiard> ariqz: ubuntu doesnt download updates on its own unless you told it to
[23:35] <ariqz> arbitrarily taking my resources is BS >:)
[23:36] <wgrant> ariqz: You told it to.
[23:36] <ariqz> I didn't tell it to. I explicitly turned them off
[23:36] <wgrant> It won't install things without you clicking the button.
[23:36] <ariqz> I don't even know what it downloaded
[23:36] <bensmith> what what downloaded
[23:36] <bensmith> ???
[23:36] <ariqz> but data was being transfered and choking out my connection, I could see that
[23:36] <trism> blaz2: there was another idea on the third page of the thread, but it seems none of the methods worked for the last poster, so I don't know, maybe it changed recently
[23:36] <Jordan_U> thijs_: Are you using the right cable ( strait through vs crossover ) ? ( Some nics can switch automatically, so your other laptop working doesn't guarentee the right cable )
[23:37] <wgrant> ariqz: Perhaps it was the package lists being updated.
[23:37] <thedude42> GuyS, thing is that it is possible the kernel update caused the issue, and that there may be a patch soon that addresses it, but you probably shoudl look in /var/log/syslog and see if there are any acpi, X or gnome errors coming up in association with the errors you se
[23:37] <bensmith> i was wondering is there any way besides zenmap to see all the traffic on the lan in realtime
[23:37] <vlt> thijs_: What does `sudo ethtool eth0` tell you? Connected?
[23:37] <GuyS> thedude42: I did NOT use --purge.  Of the various packages, so that I don't use my shotgun approach, which should I purge? Metacity alone?
[23:38] <thijs_> Jordan_U, i believe this is a normal cat5 cable
[23:38] <bennkenn> my workspace switch doesn't switch workspaces.
[23:38] <blaz2> trism: yup thats because I'm the last poster :)
[23:38] <n8tuser> ariqz-> how did you see that? you have a monitor to watch the traffic?
[23:39] <ariqz> n8tuser, I can see it with gnome PPP
[23:39] <thijs_> vlt, it just gives me a list of info i don't understand, and nothing about connected. Though it says speed: '1000 mb/s'
[23:39] <n8tuser> ariqz-> gnome PPP does what? what statistics?
[23:39] <blaz2> Did someone manage to get hardware accelerated 3D work on eeepc 701 (intel i915) in Karmic?
[23:40] <ariqz> it shows the amount of data being transfered in and out in real time
[23:40] <vlt> thijs_: Last line, it's actually "Link detected"
[23:40] <n8tuser> ariqz-> does it also shows the renegotiations and retransmits?
[23:40] <ariqz> no
[23:40] <thijs_> vlt, yes it says: Link detected: yes
[23:41] <vlt> thijs_: Then the cable is fine
[23:41] <thijs_> vlt, good to know, thanks
[23:41] <n8tuser> ariqz-> you need to prefix your responses with a nick as a courtesy
[23:41] <nicklas_> if you update between releases instead of reinstalling, can you miss out on something then?
[23:42] <vlt> thijs_: Is the DHCP server under your control?
[23:42] <lordganesh>  i have one problem in ubuntu .....whenever i reboot my sound automatically mute...any solution...
[23:43] <thijs_> vlt, the cable is connected to a router which i control yes. Though I can't do much with it because there are other people using the internet as we speak(including me)
[23:43] <carbm2> lordganesh, Are you running 9.10?  I've noticed my 9.10 is doing that also on both of my Dell Laptops.
[23:43] <zleap> wow nice it found my printer
[23:43] <dd> help
[23:43] <WilliamC2> There is a pre-set for running Firefox in WINE
[23:43] <erUSUL> !ask | dd
[23:43] <WilliamC2> That seems kinda stupid
[23:43] <vlt> thijs_: And the DHCP runs on the same box as the router, tight?
[23:43] <vlt> *right
[23:44] <WilliamC2> Also, should I run X-Chat Gnome client, or playing X-Chat?
[23:44] <lordganesh> carbm2: no i m using 9.04 .when i installed kubuntu-desktop package problem starts
[23:44] <snakerdlk> Hi, since I've updated the nvidia driver to 180.44 my notebook keeps freezing... should I install a nem untested version or install the old one?(how do I do that?)
[23:44] <andril> Hello all
[23:44] <thijs_> vlt, yeah, it's just a simple home network, so one box does all the connection info. It's weird because when I plug the cable in another computer the internet works just fine
[23:45] <mQQsh> what is the terminal command to uninstall a program
[23:45] <andril> i recently upgraded using the alt cd - is there any way to stop it from asking for the cd during updates?
[23:45] <thijs_> mQQsh, sudo apt-get remove [program]
[23:45] <vlt> mQQsh: `sudo aptitude remove program`
[23:45] <thijs_> ar aptitude indeed
[23:46] <RobLikesBrunch> Can someone help me getting a soundcard to work?
[23:46] <mQQsh> awesome thanks guys
[23:46] <erUSUL> andril: disable it as source in System>Admin>software sources || first tab
[23:46] <vlt> thijs_: What do you mean? Plug what into what?
[23:46] <fbianconi> !sound | RobLikesBrunch
[23:47] <andril> erUSUL: yesssss you are the man
[23:47] <erUSUL> andril: no problem
[23:47] <RobLikesBrunch> fbianconi I've already confirmed that. According to this article: http://techgage.com/article/using_the_asus_xonar_essence_stx_under_linux/ it does work...and he said it was even detected off the Live CD, but not for me.
[23:48] <snakerdlk> How do I install a specific version of the nvidia driver ?
[23:48] <thijs_> vlt, when i plug the cat5 cable in another computer that computer will have internet, and I usually don't have much trouble with the 8.04 installation, i just find it weird that it didn't connect. I just did a format and then reinstalled.
[23:48] <andril> this is a proper upgrade
[23:48] <justfil> I got a problem with vlc media player, when I start some video it plays in its own window which annoys me very much :/ how can I set it to play in the vlc's window?
[23:49] <vlt> thijs_: Can you substitute "plug" with "connect" please? I still don't know which devices are connected when it works .
[23:50] <trism> justfil: unfortunately they disabled because it was causing problems for some people. It wasn't enabled again until version 1+, which isn't in jaunty
[23:50] <thijs_> vlt, i was talking about other computers. But i don't think this is a cable/router problem, but more likely a laptop/device problem
[23:50] <GuyS> thedude42: thanks for your help and suggestions -- I see nothing that seems relevant in user.log, syslog, dmesg or messages -- but then, that assumes that I'd know what was relevant if I saw it :-)  I'll do some more research.
[23:51] <trism> justfil: it seems to be updated to version 1.0.2 in karmic though, which will be released on thursday
[23:51] <andril> erUSUL: how do i change the new upsplash it's Xubuntu and I want Ubuntu
[23:51] <FiReSTaRT> justfil: i'm not sure that can be changed, but i like the option because i usually play the vids on a separate screen... so i keep the controls on the laptop screen and the video is playing on the tv screen
[23:52] <vlt> thijs_: I'd try two things: 1. Set the speed to 100M and retry. 2. Set the mac addr to one of another computer (and unplug that)...
[23:52] <thijs_> vlt, how would I do any of them?
[23:53] <vlt> thijs_: The ethtool command can be used to set the speed.
[23:53] <vlt> thijs_: ifconfig can set a new mac addr. Search the manpage for "ether"
[23:53] <justfil> thanks guys, I'm using 9.04 so I guess I could find vlc 1.0 and the 'problem' will be gone?
[23:54] <trism> justfil: I haven't tested it yet because I was too lazy to build vlc from source, but from what I heard it is supposed to be enabled again in version 1+
[23:54] <krummlauf> how do i shut down a process on this
[23:55] <tom-davidson> hi, i want to install darksnow, but it has an dependantcy of darkice. i have complieled and installed my own version of darkice. how do i install darksnow with apt with out this one dependancy?
[23:56] <Spudster> Has anyone here been able to load Ubuntu 9.04 on a Compaq 8500 and get SMP working?
[23:56] <thijs_> vlt, ok, option 1 didn't work, and all i have is two laptops in front of me, don't have any other computers that i can use for their mac-addr.
[23:57] <thijs_> vlt, might this problem've occurred due to the installation from livecd, where i selected install ubuntu instead of boot from cd and then install ?
[23:58] <vlt> thijs_: I don't think so.  What didn't work? Setting the speed or obtaining an IP address with the lower speed?  What happens when you set the address manually. Can you ping another machine?
[23:58] <krummlauf> ok i figured it out
[23:58] <krummlauf> no thanks to any of yuo
[23:58] <thijs_> vlt setting the speed to 100mb/s didn't work
[23:58] <lordganesh> vlt: can u help me .. my sound automatically mute when i reboot.....
[23:59] <vlt> thijs_: Do you know how to set an IP address manually?
[23:59] <thijs_> vlt, yes, i can try that


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[19:41] <Wasif> hi
[19:41] <Wasif> hello?
[19:42] <Wasif> anyone to help me here?
 ask a real question?
[19:42] <teward> !ask
[19:43] <Wasif> how can I enable wifi in lubuntu 20.04 focal fossa
[19:47] <Wasif> how can I enable wifi in my lubuntu 20.0
[19:48] <Wasif> 20.04
[19:48] <Wasif> ??
[19:51] <Wasif> can anyone help me to get connected to my wifi?
[19:52] <teward> !patience
[19:52] <teward> does your system see a wifi card?
[19:52] <Wasif> how do I know that
[19:54] <teward> `sudo lshw -C network` will show all the network components and interfaces.  you're going to want to look for "wireless interface" or similar in the output.  Alternatively, `lspci` will give us similar information but less of it.
[19:54] <teward> run either of those on the command line terminal and see what wifi card it states in there
[19:56] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/d7dd2f81cf697a2b1a332bcad10d1cce/pasted.txt
[19:58] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6cf9aedc13c15ba6bda228edd89555f6/pasted.txt
[19:59] <Wasif> this is the result
 ok so it's detected AND assigned a name.
 What is the output of sudo rfkill list ?
[20:01] <Wasif> what is the command for that?
 sudo rfkill list
 in the command line
 pastebin the output
 (i'm teward on IRC but flipping between Telegram and IRC for different things at the moment, sorry for the confusion!)
[20:02] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/5cda5c82e492eaeced6d867c9edc136b/pasted.txt
 > Hard blocked: yes
 do you have a wifi on/off shortcut or switch on your keyboard?
 where you'd press certain buttons to enable/disable wifi
 or alternatively, is there a physical switch on your device for the wifi
 hard blocked means it's 'disabled' by some hardware shortcut or disabled in BIOS, and not enabled for the system to use.
[20:04] <Wasif> yeah,I have it in my keyboard. should I try it on and off?
 just hit the shortcut once.
 if it's a physical switch then just flip it to the other option to see what happens
 (we want to see if it then makes you able to use and configure the wifi on the network management tool)
[20:08] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/91656217b137a0081dc0b0af30046a2d/pasted.txt
[20:09] <Wasif> when I try the shotcurt in my keyboard it the softblock truned into yes
[20:10] <Wasif> and when I again do this it resulted soft blocked: no
 but hard block is still 'yes'?
 what's your system?
[20:12] <Wasif> aspire-4572
[20:13] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6327ae41ab328f0a702a8cc2c761aab8/pasted.txt
 in the command line try these two commands:
 sudo modprobe -r acer-wm
 echo "blacklist acer-wmi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
 then reboot, see if it works then.  There is a known issue where acer-wmi can conflict with atheros cards.
 and is still reported to work as of 20.04.
[20:14] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6327ae41ab328f0a702a8cc2c761aab8/pasted.txt
[20:15] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6327ae41ab328f0a702a8cc2c761aab8/pasted.txt
[20:16] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/b149a35a48671faa27f1fd2da7fcf537/image.png
[20:18] <Wasif> in the image you can see that sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is not working as anything
[20:19] <Wasif> i am rebooting now
 that | was part of the command
 not separate commands
 so echo "blacklist acer-wmi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is all one command
[20:20] <Wasif> okay
[20:20] <teward> `echo "blacklist acer-wmi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf` without the backticks so you know which parts are the command
[20:20] <teward> the TG bridge eats things >.>
[20:20] <teward> then reboot and see if it works
[20:21] <teward> basically, we're blacklisting the acer-wmi driver which conflicts ;)
[20:22] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/38c1c52d681454829f555c49e838c66e/pasted.txt
[20:22] <Wasif> so then?
 ffs hang on
 don't put backticks in the command.  Check the output of cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
 if the output is "blacklist acer-wmi" then just reboot your system
 and see if you can then configure your wifi card
 wifi connection*
[20:25] <Wasif> asif@wasif-aspire4752:~$  echo "blacklist acer-wmi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[20:25] <Wasif> [sudo] password for wasif:
[20:25] <Wasif> blacklist acer-wmi
[20:25] <Wasif> should I reboot?
 yep
 that should have blacklisted acer-wmi drivers which are problematic and make the ath9k drivers just work.
 THEN check your rfkill list output and see if 'hard blocked' is now "no"
[20:27] <Wasif> I haven't came here with a password,how do I get this page back
 this chat page you mean?
[20:28] <teward> just open kiwiirc again, connect to the Libera Chat network, and do /join #lubuntu
[20:28] <teward> or, go to lubuntu.me/links
[20:28] <teward> and use the #lubuntu "IRC" page
[20:28] <teward> link, not page.
[20:38] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/69fb2081887b057b8694882d88db2513/pasted.txt
[20:38] <Wasif> it is the result after reboot
 hmmm i'll have to see what else might hard block that, normally that means a driver issue.  Which Lubuntu version by the way, just curious?
 (there may also be other experts with atheros cards than me, i'm a general networking hardware expert but not fully versed in all of it)
[20:41] <Wasif> Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[20:43] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/37059f777286326c1c8ed30149b8a8af/pasted.txt
[20:44] <Wasif> after clicking the shortcut in keyboard hard blocked:no
 there you go!
 you should be able to see the wifi card and add a wifi network with the network configuration tools now
[20:48] <Wasif75> yeah,it has been solved and thank you sooooo much. now I am to connect to my wifi
 yep you're welcome, apologies it took so long to get it done, there's a bunch of debugging we had to do first :)
 and then different steps to handle :)
[20:49] <Wasif75> owh
[20:51] <Wasif75> for other pc,what are the steps you may suggest to fix it,I wanna note down. So can you please?
 is it the same model wifi card and same computer model?  If not then we have to debug THAT one independently because it might have a different problem
[20:55] <Wasif> okay,thank you for the support,I am leaving now
[21:36] <kc2bez[m]> Those directions are ancient. That ppa doesn't exist anymore.
[22:06] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> hello???
[22:06] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> ?
[22:06] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> I am unable to get extra apps through this method https://lubuntu.me/get-extra-apps-for-lubuntu/
[22:06] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> so what do I need to do?
[22:06] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> Can anyone help me?
[22:06]  * JuhayerAlWasif[m  < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/80ab9ac86d440d02c9ff20eff95d12ebf6721fb8/message.txt >
[22:07] <kc2bez[m]> Juhayer Al Wasif: If you want more applications use muon or Discover
[22:08] <guiverc> what release of Lubuntu JuhayerAlWasif[m , there was nothing in that PPA useful for modern Lubuntu (LXQt)


[12:42] <ChrisH> plovs: rst2xml? Interesting. I fear I need to learn python before though. :)
[12:42] <ChrisH> sivang: Yes... complete luxuary. 7 hours of sleep. Hooray!
[12:43] <fabbione> there.. it's done
[12:43] <fabbione> have fun
[12:44] <sivang> we have our own log now!
[12:44] <sivang> Horray for Fabbione
[12:56] <ChrisH> Where are the logs? Because I had modified an IRC bot a few weeks ago to log everything into a database. So everyone could query what was happening when. But if there is already a working solution...
[01:50] <plovs_work> ChrisH, an irc bot with mysql or something?
[01:51] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Yes. I start a "chrisbot" some time ago when I learned how to use POE (perl object environment).
[01:51] <ChrisH> plovs_work: I'm just testing the bot so we have redundancy. :)
[01:51] <plovs_work> that would be nice, and then a web frontend to the database?
[01:51] <WW> plovs_work: Hi there
[01:52] <plovs_work> WW, hi
[01:52] <WW> plovs_work: What's the latest on macros (or something equivalent) in the wiki?  Anything new?
[01:53] <ChrisH> WW: hi
[01:53] <WW> ChrisH: Hi ChrisH
[01:53] <ChrisH> plovs_work: a tiny gui to the database (currently improving it a little): http://workaround.org/irc
[01:56] <plovs_work> :-) (smiling for the camera)
[01:57] <plovs_work> ChrisH, neat!
[01:57] <ChrisH> plovs_work: And real time. :)
[01:57] <WW> ChrisH: Hey, that thing is live?! Cool.
[01:57] <ChrisH> plovs_work: At least as long as mentors.debian.net is working because that's where the script lives on. :)
[01:58] <ChrisH> WW: Yes. I'm surprised, too, that it works. :)
[01:58] <plovs_work> and you log to mysql?
[01:58] <ChrisH> Yep.
[01:58] <ChrisH> Haven't yet switched to postgresql on that machine.
[01:59] <plovs_work> thinking about a search-thingie?
[01:59] <ChrisH> Yes. By text, by nick... It can even log multiple channels.
[01:59] <ChrisH> There are just some to do's left like auto-rejoin on server failure etc.
[02:00] <plovs_work> so...you might add #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel?
[02:01] <ChrisH> Just joined all three channels. :)
[02:01] <WW> ChrisH: Does it print "[names]  -: ..." every time someone enters the room?
[02:02] <ChrisH> WW: I think it just does that when it enters the channel itself.
[02:02] <plovs_work> how did you get to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/490 ?
[02:02] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Set it in my "personal preferences" i my wiki account
[02:03] <ChrisH> plovs_work: I just don't know how I can use that portrait.
[02:03] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Took a shot with my digicam yesterday evening and gimp'ed it. :)
[02:03] <ChrisH> plovs_work: My wife was looking a little confused when I started to smile for nothing and took photos of myself.
[02:03] <plovs_work> ah, well you can add it to your "home page"
[02:04] <plovs_work> smiling at your computer, well women who marry geeks must be used to something
[02:06] <plovs_work> ChrisH, btw you have great postfix stuff
[02:07] <ChrisH> Thanks. Took a while. :) But it's really nice. I worked on the new tutorials for three weeks during my holidays. And now I'm getting mails about that nearly every day.
[02:07] <ChrisH> Writing correct technical documentation can become very time consuming.
[02:07] <ChrisH> Ask the people who have offered to translate the documents. They are still on it.
[02:08] <plovs_work> postfix is the easiest of mail-servers i think but that does not make it simple, great job.
[02:08] <plovs_work> the only thing i have not been able to do (and i even bought the book) is having a white-list of users allowed to send mail
[02:09] <plovs_work> it is in the faq, but without answer :(
[02:09] <ChrisH> Are you restricting who is allowed to send mail from your internal network?
[02:09] <plovs_work> well, not yet
[02:09] <plovs_work> we have two networks, an internal one, and an 'external one'
[02:10] <plovs_work> everybody can sent mail from the external one
[02:10] <plovs_work> but the internal is highly restrictive
[02:10] <plovs_work> at least it is supposed to be
[02:10] <plovs_work> the good thing is: one virus in seven (!) years
[02:11] <ChrisH> I recently wiped away my virus directory. 3000 mails in half a year. Yowser!
[02:11] <plovs_work> i meant one went in, off course there is plenty left
[02:12] <plovs_work> i am going to redo the network, the coming months, i might use your howto for woody
[02:12] <ChrisH> Just ask if you need help on the config. I think I could help.
[02:13] <plovs_work> nice!
[02:13] <plovs_work> i use MailScanner atm, with postfix 2.0 backport and amavis
[02:14] <plovs_work> but it is all spagetti now and i want to do it right(tm) without backports, only debian stable
[02:14] <ChrisH> Are you running the server on Ubuntu? Because I tend to keep Debian on the servers and just use Ubuntu on the workstations.
[02:14] <ChrisH> Qustion answered. :)
[02:14] <plovs_work> woody+backports.org
[02:15] <plovs_work> i love ubuntu, but am not yet willing to risk my job with it
[02:17] <plovs_work> ChrisH, do you use apt-proxy?
[02:19] <ChrisH> I did. But at home I just have Debian for my wife and me (server is Woody).
[02:19] <ChrisH> At work I have set up a complete debian mirror. Nice updating systems through 100 Mbps. :)
[02:19] <ChrisH> apt-proxy is darn slow. :(
[02:19] <plovs_work> i would like to get apt-proxy working for ubuntu as well
[02:20] <plovs_work> a mirror would be too havy, we have 4 ubuntu-boxes now
[02:20] <plovs_work> and 4 in the other network
[02:21] <ChrisH> Probably. I converted my whole sysadmin department to Debian. :) Plus we have 10-15 servers in the computer rooms running Woody and Sarge. It's probably the same traffic to the mirrors but we are saving time.
[02:22] <plovs_work> 10-15 is nice, i have 5 servers running woody/sarge,2 bsd firewalls,  rest all w2k
[02:24] <plovs_work> the interisting thing is that only the windows servers require maintenance
[02:30] <ChrisH> Get a SUS server. :)
[02:59] <plovs_work> yes, that is the plan, but i need one more server to do so
[02:59] <plovs_work> and test it off course etc
[03:00] <plovs_work> my internal compuetrs have not been updated for over a year now :-( ,but i hate windows updating by hand
[03:01] <plovs_work> ChrisH, the bot is down! mayday!
[03:02] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Yes, had to fix a bug.
[03:02] <plovs_work> nice new name
[03:02] <ChrisH> Old name. :)
[03:03] <plovs_work> ah, you are not ubuntulog, need to clean my glasses
[03:07] <ChrisH> Perhaps ubuntulog is what fabbione provides.
[03:08] <plovs_work> 'spose so
[03:09] <plovs_work> ok, off to hang out with the friends, see you!
[03:12] <hornbeck> hello
[03:12] <ChrisH> hornbeck: hi
[03:12] <hornbeck> hows things this morning
[03:12] <ChrisH> hornbeck: morning? Well, that's relative. :)
[03:13] <hornbeck> well morning for me
[03:13] <hornbeck> night more than likly for you
[03:13] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Am playing with my realtime irc logger.
[03:13] <ChrisH> Nah... 15:13 here.
[03:13] <hornbeck> ahh, so afternoon
[03:13] <ChrisH> Nothing to do at work so I'm working on my docbook tutorial and on that very irc bot.
[03:13] <hornbeck> realtime irc logger huh, sounds interesting
[03:13] <ChrisH> Beta: http://workaround.org/irc
[03:14] <hornbeck> ohhh docbook tutorial
[03:14] <hornbeck> man that is nice, what is that written in?
[03:14] <ChrisH> In fact the tutorial is 90% done. But I seem to lack some knowledge of the ReST wiki language.
[03:14] <hornbeck> I can help with the ReST part if you want
[03:15] <ChrisH> The bot is a Perl bot using the POE environment. The web interface is a PHP 10-liner. I'm currently beautifying it. :)
[03:15] <hornbeck> man that is nice
[03:15] <hornbeck> good job
[03:15] <ChrisH> hornbeck: plovs already gave me a link. Just need to read a little I suppose.
[03:15] <hornbeck> ok, thats cool
[03:15] <ChrisH> Thanks. I'm in the mood for something useless and redundant. :)
[03:18] <hornbeck> useless and redundant huh, sounds like you are having way to much fun
[03:24] <plovs_work> hornbeck, hi!
[03:24] <plovs_work> i hate summertime
[03:24] <plovs_work> when it's wintertime
[03:24] <plovs_work> i was wondering why i was the first to leavem usually i'm the last
[03:24] <hornbeck> hey plovs
[03:26] <hornbeck> its amazing how one part of the wiki says "You are now logged in" when the other part says "Log in"
[03:26] <hornbeck> I really hate how this new wiki screws up alot
[03:27] <ChrisH> Did you notice that sometimes the wiki (especially the login procedure) is very slow? Or is it just me?
[03:27] <hornbeck> yes it is
[03:27] <hornbeck> right now it will not let me edit my beagle page
[03:30] <hornbeck> hey plovs_work how do you change the size of picture in the wiki
[03:30] <hornbeck> my beagle icon is real big on your icon page
[03:31] <hornbeck> crap, I gotta run, later guys
[03:49] <plovs_work> if you get "You are now logged in" when the other part says "Log in" relaod the page
[03:49] <plovs_work> with shift
[03:49] <plovs_work> ChrisH, can you make the web-page automatically update itself?
[03:49] <ChrisH> plovs_work: sounds like your cache is faulty. you aren't using the IE, are you?
[03:50] <ChrisH> plovs_work: yes... :)
[03:50] <ChrisH> plovs_work: my current work: http://workaround.org/cgi-bin/irc
[03:51] <plovs_work> ChrisH, you know i have a simple taste: instant gratification, great!
[03:51] <ChrisH> plovs_work: ;)
[03:52] <plovs_work> i use firefox, and everybody has this problem ... really weird
[03:52] <ChrisH> I had that once, too. You better tell it to "reload the page on every request" instead of its automatic mode.
[04:02] <plovs_work> ChrisH, how do i do that?
[04:03] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Hmm. Looks like Firefox has no setting for that. Try setting the cache to 0.
[04:04] <plovs_work> ChrisH, that's not funny either...
[04:04] <plovs_work> they should just fix the site
[04:05] <plovs_work> ok, see you later...
[07:48] <sivang> So, anything new everybody?
[07:48] <sivang> I've seen rather lots of traffic went here :)
[07:50] <ChrisH> The docbook-xml article is nearly done in raw format. I need to wiki it.
[07:50] <sivang> great!
[07:50] <sivang> this will be the first doc team docbook xml primer
[07:50] <sivang> :)
[07:51] <sivang> we really needed that.
[07:52] <ChrisH> It's just a "Getting started" guide. I intend to add information on custom stylesheets, output formats and the like during the weekend.
[07:52] <sivang> great.I will shortly follow it, I had already started with docbook xml but found most of the resources assume too much knowledge in it already.
[07:53] <ChrisH> I hope I can ask you for help in case Wiki starts to hate me. :)
[07:54] <sivang> yes ofcourse.
[07:54] <sivang> I've got used to it by now, although do not know if it's worth of studying RST, I think I would instead go straight for DocBook XML :)
[07:54] <sivang> althouh the pythin script that converts it looks very nice
[07:55] <sivang> btw, the weblog of the channel looks exquisite
[07:55] <sivang> how did you do that?
[07:56] <ChrisH> Advanced magic.
[07:57] <sivang> hmm, ok, and now for some juicy details ?:)
[07:58] <ChrisH> Two parts. One is a Perl script I call "logbot". It uses POE::Components::IRC and is an automated IRC client that sniffs different channels and keeps track who is where.
[07:58] <ChrisH> The log lines are written into a MySQL database. The second part is a Perl script that get the needed information from the database.
[07:58] <ChrisH> I had an IRC bot half ready. And as work today was boring I decided to make it a log bot. ;)
[08:08] <sivang> coool
[08:18] <sivang> ChrisH : when I asked from canonical to set us a log , I wasn't aware that you already set it up BTW
[08:20] <ChrisH> sivang: fabbione?
[08:27] <sivang> ChrisH  : yes
[08:27] <sivang> yo pl0vs
[08:29] <ChrisH> sivang: I wasn't fast enough. He popped in and did something. I was about to ask if someone would be interested in my solution.
[08:29] <ChrisH> sivang: where is his log?
[08:29] <sivang> ChrisH : I am not sure, I don't think it would be a problem for  you to handle this , you would just need the proper access to the official website or archives,
[08:29] <sivang> wwhy don't you discuss this with him?
[08:30] <ChrisH> sivang: I do
[08:30] <pl0vs> hi huys!
[08:30] <sivang> hey alex, how you been ?
[08:30] <pl0vs> great, just been to the movies
[08:31] <sivang> yeah? which movie did you see?
[08:31] <pl0vs> arthur, hadn\t seen it and it was in the re=run cinema, really cheap
[08:31] <sivang> nice, you said you live in the netherlands right?
[08:32] <pl0vs> i was born in the netherlands, and spent my youth there, now i live in latvia
[08:34] <pl0vs> ChrisH, what was the backlog address again, can you maybe put it in the topic?
[08:35] <ChrisH> pl0vs: sure
[08:35] <sivang> pl0vs : the log chrisH had setup is very cool
[08:41] <pl0vs> ChrisH, how can i see the backlog?
[08:42] <ChrisH> pl0vs: just use the url
[08:42] <sivang> http://workaround.org/cgi-bin/irc
[08:42] <sivang> ^-- pl0vs
[08:42] <sivang> it's real nice
[08:42] <pl0vs> yes but back in time
[08:43] <pl0vs> not the last 100 but before that
[08:43] <ChrisH> I had to clear the logs two hours ago due to some bugs. :)
[08:52] <pl0vs> sivang, i saw that you moved the teams, great work
[08:56] <pl0vs> btw i got an ok from jimmac to use his icons on the wiki, he makes really nice stuff
[09:06] <sivang> great
[09:09] <sivang> pl0vs : sorry, I didn't move them yet - but I'll have it by end of weekend, I was unfourtanetly busy with physical world stuff..
[09:09] <sivang> pl0vs : I guess what we see there was already there.
[09:09] <sivang> do you have a link?
[09:12] <sivang> night meanwhile , all
[09:12] <pl0vs> sivang, a link of what, the icons? it's in the doclist
[09:13] <pl0vs> sivang, night!
[09:15] <ChrisH> sivang: nite
[10:38] <pl0vs> ChrisH, keep on testing!
[10:38] <ChrisH> That action was just for the logs. :) I forgot to implement "/me" actions. :)
[10:48] <pl0vs> :)