[20:27] <jetole> Hey guys. I have a app that I am using to provision instances and it's passing a user password to the instances via http://<IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/meta_data.json
[20:28] <jetole> Can I use cloud-init to set the user password based on this data? Also I forgot to mention it has other variables all in json
[20:54] <smoser> jetole, use ssh keys , or use cloud-config to set password.
[20:54] <jetole> smoser: neither are a option in this case. It's a closed source app and it passes the data via a json tag in http://<IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/meta_data.json
[20:55] <smoser> i dont follow.
[20:55] <smoser> some entity is running an instance for you?
[21:02] <smoser> jetole, i think in the past i've said that patches are welcome.
[21:03] <smoser> but if this is a close source app, and you're trying to get into it in some way, its likely the'd have such functionality disabled in their app even if cloud-init did support it.
[21:04] <jetole> smoser: yes a software that the firm I work for has bought is creating instances and it's passing the user password via a json tag in http://<IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/meta_data.json. Are you saying that cloud-init cannot access this data?
[21:06] <smoser> it can access it sure.
[21:06] <smoser> but it does not.
[21:19] <jetole> smoser: and I cannot configure cloud-init to set a password based on a tag inserted into that json data?
[21:19] <jetole> I mean aside from writing a script?
[21:19] <jetole> ...which I've already begin doing anyways


[00:36] <fiyawerx> can you customize the partitions that mythbuntu installs itself on / uses for storage for audio / video media?
[00:36] <fiyawerx> as far as sizes, lvm, etc..?
[01:26] <bobbob1016_> Can anyone help me figure out why MyMote (a mythtv remote for the ipod touch) only seems to work with mpegs?
[03:03] <culinarian> I'm confused. I enabled MySql in myth control center, thinking that might have been part of my problem accessing my windows shares. Other than that I only fiddled with my frontend screen resolutions and installed Smb4k. Now when I try to su in terminal, it tells me "authentication failure." Like I said.. I'm confused. Maybe I need to get to a more remedial linux irc channel. Can anyone make any suggestions?
[06:12] <AnnonyMouse> hey guys. nice work with mythbuntu
[06:12] <AnnonyMouse> playing around. looks pretty cool
[06:18] <AnnonyMouse> is anyone online & available to help me out, pls?
[06:18] <AnnonyMouse> having trouble loading media, and I'm pretty sure I've got my basic config right
[06:57] <stiev3> AnnonyMouse, ask your question, stay in the channel, hopefully someone with a clue can help you out at some point
[06:58] <AnnonyMouse> sweet. thnx
[06:59] <AnnonyMouse> set up client-server split system. server's running & clients configured & connecting. trying to set up external volume HDD as media repository, but not picking it up in the interface
[07:02] <stiev3> if you've properly mounted the device, and have your paths correct, it could be a file permissions issue.
[07:03] <foxbuntu> AnnonyMouse, you need to add it as a Storage Directory in the backend setup or in the frontend for specific plugins if you are using it for the frontend only
[07:03] <AnnonyMouse> ntfs volume is mounted OK (seeing it over SMB share), & permissions are "chmod -R a+rw"
[07:04] <foxbuntu> why is it NTFS?
[07:04] <AnnonyMouse> NTFS is the most universal large volume FS
[07:04] <foxbuntu> ...and that still has nothing to do with setting it up as I preivously stated
[07:04] <AnnonyMouse> I have mixed environ: Mac's & Ubuntu
[07:05] <foxbuntu> AnnonyMouse, XFS?
[07:05] <foxbuntu> should work fine with Mac and Linux
[07:05] <AnnonyMouse> foxbuntu: XFS, tempting... but overly complicated @ the mo'
[07:05] <foxbuntu> and be native rather than patched to work
[07:05] <foxbuntu> overly complicated?
[07:06] <foxbuntu> sudo mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1 ?
[07:06] <AnnonyMouse> foxbuntu : think I'll add a local HDD dir (ETX3)
[07:06] <AnnonyMouse> see if that's gellin
[07:06] <AnnonyMouse> not the format
[07:07] <AnnonyMouse> but disk mobility on non-lin machines
[07:07] <foxbuntu> you said Mac and Linux
[07:07] <AnnonyMouse> why XFS, if I may ask?
[07:07] <foxbuntu> its much faster
[07:07] <AnnonyMouse> sry...mac, lin, win, etc, etc
[07:07] <AnnonyMouse> rly?
[07:07] <foxbuntu> when dealing with video data
[07:07] <AnnonyMouse> reliability?
[07:08] <foxbuntu> just as good as any other
[07:08] <AnnonyMouse> thnx! i'll look ino that
[07:08] <foxbuntu> btw...what you are considering doing with the USB disk is a bad idea
[07:08] <AnnonyMouse> *into*
[07:08] <AnnonyMouse> rly?
[07:09] <foxbuntu> yea...if you add it as a disk to the system to record to and then move it, it will upset the backend and fill up the logs
[07:09] <AnnonyMouse> the idea I had is using an old ubuntu box (patched/upgraded) as a NAS
[07:09] <AnnonyMouse> no recording @ this stage
[07:09] <AnnonyMouse> only media serving
[07:10] <foxbuntu> so you are going to go USB to sudo-NAS to network to Frontend?
[07:12] <AnnonyMouse> pardon?
[07:13] <foxbuntu> your idea
[07:13] <AnnonyMouse> mythbuntu is my network fileserver/NAS
[07:13] <AnnonyMouse> didn't understand question
[07:13] <foxbuntu> so, you are attaching a USB HDD to the Mythbuntu Backend
[07:13] <AnnonyMouse> correct
[07:13] <foxbuntu> which is serving Media to your frontends over your network?
[07:14] <AnnonyMouse> affirmative
[07:14] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:14] <foxbuntu> now, is your *old* hardware USB 2.0 or just 1.1?
[07:16] <AnnonyMouse> that's a bit of a bummer. HDD is 2.0, but machine's bus is only 1. but that's ok cause samba pumps it fast enough, to I knwo it's @ least possible. setting up proof of concept 4 now, so I only wanna get my ducks in a row
[07:17] <AnnonyMouse> little server does little else
[07:17] <foxbuntu> SMB cant make USB faster
[07:18] <AnnonyMouse> no. but it's a bottlenet in the chain, so if media moves fast enough over such a protocol, it'll be fine....for now
[07:19] <AnnonyMouse> planning on buildig a proper kick-ass box next year, but I want to some homework first
[07:19] <Zinn> AnnonyMouse: Please watch your language.
[07:19] <AnnonyMouse> what? where? sry?
[07:19] <AnnonyMouse> Zinn :  sry, what r u referring 2?
[07:20] <AnnonyMouse> doh! Zin = mod-bot
[07:21] <foxbuntu> AnnonyMouse, indeed
[07:21] <AnnonyMouse> anyhow, thnx foxbuntu
[07:21] <foxbuntu> gl
[07:21] <AnnonyMouse> will try that suggestion quickly
[07:21] <foxbuntu> later
[07:22] <AnnonyMouse> thnx
[07:22] <stiev3> my next guess would be, if you have the path right, and we're talking MythVideo default settings, in videos general settings you want to turn on video * browses files.
[07:23] <AnnonyMouse> stiev3 : pls elabotate
[07:23] <AnnonyMouse> file-types?
[07:24] <stiev3> Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings\
[07:24] <AnnonyMouse> takes a bit of tiem : have 2 "ssh -CX ..."
[07:25] <AnnonyMouse> (headless server; trying 2 keep it ligtweight)
[07:25] <stiev3> you can read the descriptions of options, but if mythvideo hasn't had a chance to scan the video path, and you're on default settings, you won't be able to see the videos when you go to browse
[07:25] <AnnonyMouse> sounds a bit like what I'm getting
[07:26] <stiev3> and as far as storing media on something you plan on moving around, when mythvideo scans, it stores all of the paths in the database.  So if you went to move the storage device, at some point it'll ask "where'd you put these files"
[07:27] <stiev3> except it does it one by one and gets messy
[07:28] <AnnonyMouse> oooooooh
[07:28] <AnnonyMouse> well, I'm not planning on moving the drive around too much
[07:29] <AnnonyMouse> will more likely ad more than removing
[07:30] <stiev3> and to scan, you'd want to do Setup > Video Manager .  Lets you sort out your movies, has an imdb script that it'll run on each file to fill in the database.
[07:33] <pteague> what's the north america dvd encoding format? is it ntsc or pal ?
[07:33] <stiev3> ntsc
[07:35] <pteague> k, guess i need to go back through the archive settings...
[07:36] <AnnonyMouse> brb
[07:37] <AnnonyMouse> think it may b a sql perms issue
[07:37] <AnnonyMouse> guessing here
[07:37] <AnnonyMouse> will have 2 reinstall
[07:40] <pteague> project-x requires java huh?
[07:40] <AnnonyMouse> stiev3 : buddy wands to have configuration where he can remotely control the play-out. is this possible?
[07:41] <AnnonyMouse> he's presently using VLC's HTTP interface, but that's not a pretty as mythbuntu's
[07:41] <stiev3> if your Video Manager is empty then there is something wrong with your path (has happened to me) or something else I don't know about
[07:43] <stiev3> remotely control the play out, as in a remote front end or.. ?
[07:43]  * Yagisan waves hello
[07:44] <AnnonyMouse> not rly sure, 2 b honest. he has a machine with a nice monitor/tv (no kb or mouse), and he wants to remotely control it
[07:44] <AnnonyMouse> howdy
[07:45] <AnnonyMouse> he runs VLC's http daemon, which gives him a very simple interface
[07:45] <AnnonyMouse> not vry pretty
[07:46] <pteague> is there a reason my frontend is using ssh-agent with /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh ?
[07:46] <stiev3> he can install mythfrontend and connect to the backend and buy any number of remotes or other means of controlling it that aren't a keyboard or mouse.
[07:46] <Yagisan> I'm trying to spec up what will hopefully be a diskless mythbuntu front-end out of my "spare parts" boxes, and was looking at a guide to how much ram the front end should have. What do you recommend ?
[07:46] <AnnonyMouse> hehehe. could work...
[07:47] <stiev3> 2 gigs for hd is what I've always been told.
[07:47] <pteague> i bought a hauppauge pvr-500 dual-tuner with a usb remote...  the pvr-500 is plugged into my backend & i use the usb remote on my frontend... works fine
[07:50] <pteague> my frontend is an intel d945gclf 1.6ghz mini-itx board with 1gig of ram & it works just fine... except my dvd drive seems to get a bit too hot on occasion when playing dvds causing it to crash out of mythtv
[07:51] <Yagisan> pteague, I don't intend to let anyone put dvd's in my front end - it's to replace the dvd player (and countless dvd's the kids break)
[07:51] <pteague> as for harddrive space i'm currently using 3.5G, but i've got some extra things installed
[07:51] <Yagisan> I'll be going for a diskless setup
[07:52] <pteague> Yagisan: i'm just saying :)
[07:52] <Yagisan> she who must be obeyed has decreed it's not allowed to make any more noise than the dvd player did
[07:52] <AnnonyMouse> guys, thnx 4 ur help, but I think I'll have 2 scatch the current installation & restart
[07:53] <pteague> i did have an old compaq presario 500mhz with something like 512mb ram that worked *decently* as long as it was kept very cool...  5-10 minutes the video would hang for just a second... when it got hotter this last spring it got ridiculous
[07:54] <Yagisan> pteague, I've managed to get an athlon 64 x2 4400 for the front end :D and a geforce 8500 gt (fanless) so it should be ok - I may just toss 2GB ram in it to be sure
[07:54] <pteague> cool
[07:55] <pteague> that's the *only* problem with my d945gclf ... the cpu is fanless, but the onboard intel video card has the loudest fan & i keep forgetting that's the noise maker >_<
[07:55] <Yagisan> of course the case is an ugly old thing that had a P2-300hz in it - but thats now gutted
[07:55] <stiev3> 2.3GHz AMD, 2 gb ram, TF7050 integraded mobo with hdmi port = my diskless.
[07:56] <stiev3> and I'm just now trying to get hdmi audio going on it  nvidia 7050 pv
[07:56] <pteague> i've got a laptop hard drive in mine... it's pretty quiet
[07:56]  * Yagisan is being called away for daya duties - back in about an hour or so
[07:57] <pteague> i was looking at using a flash drive, but i didn't want to have to mess with setting everything up & then setting it to mount / as read-only... & then having to change something >.>
[10:51]  * Yagisan gets back
[10:52]  * Yagisan wonders if installing the front end onto an 8GB usb stick would actually be less hasle than a "diskless" setup
[10:55] <laga> depends. :)
[10:55] <laga> diskless is nice if you have more than one frontend
[10:57] <stiev3> as a complete noob, it's not that bad dealing with diskless clients as it stands.
[10:58] <stiev3> i have yet to hit a problem that at least one person hasn't documented a solution to on the forums
[10:59] <laga> one of these days, i will fix them all..
[10:59] <laga> it's already quite good, but i want to make it smoother
[11:00] <stiev3> you're doing well if I can get them going
[11:03] <laga> thanks :)
[11:05] <Yagisan> laga, the specific requirement is *silent* - I can't quite afford that - so I'm working on less moving parts == quieter
[11:13] <Yagisan> ohh - shiny - finally can get mpeg4 acceleration in *nix on my nvidia cards
[17:33] <fpr02> Hi all, my question is about the Mythbuntu 0.21-fixes Intrepid repository
[17:33] <fpr02> it looks the the uk mirror has up to date packages whilst the US one has stopped updating
[17:44] <laga> superm1: go fix your mirror :)
[19:37] <ali1234> hi. my mythtv has no listings data after 19th december. i use OTA guide on UK digital terrestrial. i didn't reconfigure anything, and there are no error messages in the log or dmesg. does anybody have any ideas what happened?
[19:39] <ali1234> oops nvm i accidentally my aerial splitter...
[22:52] <giver> I'm trying to determine how to tune 8psk channels with mythbuntu,there is no provision to set to use 8psk when scanning
[22:53] <giver> using an skywalker,btw
[23:01] <MythbuntuGuest83> i have a rather simple question.
[23:02] <MythbuntuGuest83> What if I have comcast digital cable, and want one all-in-one Mythbuntu solution what would i need to get my project a float?
[23:03] <MythbuntuGuest83> Is there a way to have one box that acts as a front/back end?
[23:10] <giver> all boxes can work frontend/backend,if you set them to do so
[23:10] <giver> anyone using a skywalker with mythtv?
[23:14] <NetSarC> hello ppl
[23:16] <NetSarC> i installed ubuntumyth, and played back a .mkv file with 23,963 fps (as i recall)
[23:16] <NetSarC> i was seeing some vertical lines was out of sync
[23:17] <NetSarC> i tried both 50hz and 60hz
[23:17] <NetSarC> quite anoying to watch (if you notice, as i do)
[23:17] <NetSarC> i've been searching and searching for a solution
[23:18] <NetSarC> without any luck
[23:18] <NetSarC> could this be a gfx card limit somehow?
[23:23] <NetSarC> well, 23.976 fps it was
[23:31] <MythbuntuGuest83> they're not gonna help you
[23:32] <NetSarC> oh no ?
[23:32] <MythbuntuGuest83> i've sat here quit a while w/o any response to my question so i doubt it
[23:32] <NetSarC> well,  I gave it a shot
[23:32] <NetSarC> hehe
[23:32] <NetSarC> well, ppl arent always at their
[23:32] <NetSarC> computers
[23:33] <MythbuntuGuest83> yeah out of 30 ppl someones here
[23:33] <NetSarC> hmm :) no reason to answer my question if ppl dont have anything to help with
[23:50] <MythbuntuGuest37> hi i can`t download any updates my internet coneccion works fine but i can`t update any thing not even my grafics hard
[23:51] <MythbuntuGuest37> i ment card


[15:16] <minfrin> A quick question on AWS and cloud-init, to see whether anyone has seen this behaviour before.
[15:16] <minfrin> I have an EC2 instance with an EBS volume attached to it, and I;ve asked cloud-init to format it like so:
[15:16] <minfrin> fs_setup:
[15:16] <minfrin>   - label: data
[15:16] <minfrin>     device: /dev/xvdh
[15:16] <minfrin>     filesystem: ext4
[15:16] <minfrin> When cloud-init starts, mke2fs fails as follows:
[15:16] <minfrin> 2016-02-10 15:03:42,593 - util.py[WARNING]: Failed during filesystem operation
[15:16] <minfrin> Failed to exec of '['/sbin/mkfs.ext4', '/dev/xvdh', '-L', 'data']':
[15:17] <minfrin> Unexpected error while running command.
[15:17] <minfrin> Command: ['/sbin/mkfs.ext4', '/dev/xvdh', '-L', 'data']
[15:17] <minfrin> Exit code: 1
[15:17] <minfrin> Reason: -
[15:17] <minfrin> Stdout: ''
[15:17] <minfrin> Stderr: 'mke2fs 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)\nCould not stat /dev/xvdh --- No such file or directory\n\nThe device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly?\n'
[15:17] <minfrin> Later on, after sshing into the machine, I am able to run mke2fs manually and the formatting of the block device works fine.
[15:17] <minfrin> Are they are delays that people are aware of when deploying AWS EBS drives that would cause cloud-init to fail?
[15:22] <waldi> check the kernel log
[15:23] <minfrin> Not following - what would I check the kernel log for? (I assume you mean dmesg)
[15:25] <rcj> smoser, I'm debugging a new DS where the config module fails during boot "Can not apply stage config, no datasource found!" but after boot I can run it 'service cloud-config start' just fine.  Any tips on debugging or ideas of what is happening?
[15:30] <waldi> minfrin: it should list when xvdh appeared. why do you have _eight_ disks?
[15:38] <minfrin> The only mention in dmesg of the xvdh disk is the very last lines, which could be warnings triggered during the successful mkfs.ext4:
[15:38] <minfrin> [   40.226724] blkfront: xvdh: barrier or flush: disabled; persistent grants: disabled; indirect descriptors: enabled;
[15:38] <minfrin> [   40.233951]  xvdh: unknown partition table
[15:38] <minfrin> What I was hoping to find was if anyone had any AWS experience, and whether there were any known issues with AWS running cloud-init before all resources were ready?
[15:40] <smoser> rcj, probably log says WARN somewhere
[15:40] <smoser> and also /run/cloud-init/*.json
[15:41] <smoser> minfrin, you're rpobably right. the disk probably was not there when cloud-init r un.
[15:42] <smoser> i'd not seen that, but the no such file or directory is pretty clear
[15:42] <minfrin> Some digging has found this patch to something called "rubber" from 2012 which referred to bugs with AWS volumes not being ready: https://github.com/rubber/rubber/pull/156/files
[15:42] <minfrin> The patch seems to pause in a loop until the device exists, and then continues.
[15:47] <smoser> thats definitely a sane path for some situations.
[15:47] <smoser> but in others its not sne.
[15:47] <smoser> its posible we could let you define the behavior to cloud-init.
[15:48] <smoser> the issue is that it sits there and waits forever for that device to appear, and its not there....
[15:48] <smoser> then its not going to get to the point where it gets your ssh keys or runs your user-data
[15:48] <smoser> and you're not going to ever be able to get in.
[15:51] <rcj> smoser, no WARN.  This is a container environment where we're emitting some missing signals for network and mounting FSes.  Could be that I've inadvertently changed the order the cloud-init jobs are run.  is cloud-config run before cloud-init-local?
[15:51] <smoser> do you have something in /run/cloud-init ?
[15:52] <rcj> yes
[15:52] <rcj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15009184/
[15:55] <rcj> smoser, ^ there is results.json (prior run) and here is cloud-init-output.log from the latest run http://paste.ubuntu.com/15009195/
[15:57] <smoser> rcj, config definitely did start before init
[16:07] <rcj> smoser, should it?
[16:13] <smoser> no.
[16:46] <minfrin> smoser: An option to work around the device-not-ready problem is a "wait" option, giving the longest time we're prepared to wait for the drive to become available.
[16:48] <smoser> minfrin, well, nto if you're trying to mkfs
[16:48] <smoser> oh. i see, yeah.
[16:48] <smoser> sorry. i thought you were saying upstart or systemd wait for the filesystem
[16:48] <smoser> but yeah
[18:00] <minfrin> smoser: Still waiting for word from AWS support about this, need to work out how widespread the problem is and how it will affect us.
[18:06] <rcj> smoser, thanks.  this is an issue with this particular container running things out of order due to upstart overrides that change emit timing for cloud-init prereqs.
[18:53] <jmccann> I was wondering if someone could help me finish getting a CCA signed so I could try contributing to cloud-init
[18:53] <jmccann> I'm on page http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/contributors/submit and not sure what to fill for "Please add the Canonical Project Manager or contact"
[18:56] <harlowja_at_home> smoser, ^
[18:56] <harlowja_at_home> scott moser i think is said contact still
[18:57] <harlowja_at_home> mr.scott
[18:57] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[18:57] <jmccann> thanks much!
[18:57] <smoser> jmccann, yeah. you can put me that is fine
[18:58] <jmccann> thanks!
[19:54] <rcj> smoser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15010669/ is what I need in this container environment (or perfectly replicating the FS-related emits) because right now I have a race.
[19:54] <rcj> smoser, but I don't know that is acceptable for Trusty SRU
[20:04] <smoser> rcj, somethign else is getting broked
[20:06] <rcj> smoser, how so?
[20:08] <smoser> so 'filesystem' should not be emitted until /  is mounted rw
[20:08] <smoser> and / should not be mounted rw until cluod-init is stopped
[20:08] <rcj> but it's a container so when it's started all the filesystems are mounted and ready.  they have a mountall.override in this environment to emit / /run local-filesystems,... filesystems.
[20:09] <rcj> so they all land at the same time
[20:09] <smoser> lxc works fine . this works tehre.
[20:09] <rcj> smoser, I understand that.
[20:09] <smoser> upstart will not pass 'mounted mountpoint=/'' until things that 'start on' that are done
[20:10] <smoser> ie, tahts a blockign event.
[20:10] <rcj> smoser, it's not happy on an lx-branded solaris zone
[20:10] <smoser> that make sense?
[20:10] <smoser> can you boot init --verbose or --debug ?
[20:10] <smoser> to /sbin/init ?
[20:10] <rcj> no, I don't have a kernel cmdline to alter
[20:11] <smoser> but how is /sbin/init invoked ?
[20:16] <rcj> smoser, https://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent/blob/master/usr/src/lib/brand/lx/lx_init/lxinit.c
[20:16] <rcj> Line 831
[20:16] <smoser> well, fun
[20:16] <smoser> you can wrap it
[20:17] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15010796/
[20:18] <rcj> yes
[20:59] <tmartins> hey guys... When using cloud-init with OpenStack Heat, is it possible to have 2 "user_data" sections at the same time?
[20:59] <tmartins> ke this: http://pastebin.com/7HiDpjWr ?
[20:59] <tmartins> Or something similar ?
[21:00] <smoser> tmartins, cloud-config-archive is what is basically taht.
[21:01] <smoser> oh. wait... id otn know about heat and if you can actually add the 2 sections tehre.
[21:01] <smoser> but cluod-config-archive baseically allows you to put m ultiple into one user-data
[21:02] <tmartins> Mmm...
[21:02] <tmartins> basically, initially, I'm creating a user, then, I'll run a script, that will call Ansible...
[21:02] <tmartins> simpler -> complex
[21:04] <tmartins> Maybe a mix of: "#cloud-config", which is simpler, than, a shell / Ansible, which is more complex...
[21:05] <tmartins> Mmm... I think I know how to do it!
[21:06] <tmartins> The "#cloud-config" supports write_files and runcmd...


[04:43] <d3_> thx tomreyn
[04:44] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[04:47] <d3_> I have met all the requirements to be included in the official list and have submitted my application. How long does it usually take for me to be listed?
[05:06] <barryprice> d3: did you fill out this form already? <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror> ? do you have the launchpad.net URL that it created for your mirror?
[06:20] <d3> Yes, I did. I don't have a link, but I do have a picture I captured.
[06:20] <d3> How can I get the URL of the mirror it created for me?
[07:08] <d3> I found the link, checked the answer, made the corrections, and reapplied
[07:46] <barryprice> d3: looks like you're missing a few pieces, comparing http://mirror.elice.io/ubuntu/ to e.g. http://kr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:47] <barryprice> also several series missing from https://mirror.elice.io/ubuntu/dists/ vs http://kr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[12:07] <ravage> thanks for fixing the torrents barryprice :)


[00:02] <nessita> (I just subscribed to ubuntu-release, jic)
[00:02] <dobey> nessita: i don't think it's necessary.
[00:02] <dobey> i think joshuahoover attends it though
[00:03] <nessita> ack
[00:03] <nessita> well, then I'm off for now
[00:04] <nessita> dobey: will finish tarballing tomorrow
[00:04] <dobey> cheers
[00:04] <nessita> have a good evening everyone!
[09:39] <mandel> morning all!
[10:41] <gatox> mandel, ping
[10:41] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[10:42] <mandel> gatox, I already approve them, hehe
[10:42] <gatox> mandel, both branches?
[10:42] <gatox> mandel, puuuuuuuuuu..... i get up earlier just to do that!!!
[10:42] <mandel> gatox, yep, is called revenge :P
[10:42] <mandel> gatox, go back to bed ;)
[10:42] <gatox> mandel, jejejeje
[10:43] <gatox> mandel, i hate you....... :@
[10:43] <gatox> jeje
[10:43] <mandel> gatox, buahahahaha
[10:43] <mandel> :P
[12:21] <nessita> hello!
[12:21] <mandel> nessita, morning!
[12:24] <gatox> back!
[12:27] <facundobatista> mandel, hola, che! which one was your branch?
[12:27] <mandel> facundobatista, let me get you the mp
[12:28] <facundobatista> mandel, gracias
[12:28] <mandel> facundobatista, here you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add-virtual-watches/+merge/88726
[12:28] <mandel> facundobatista, I removed the any for the subdirs and after some serious coffee and thinking I added tests for the race condition and fixed it
[12:28] <mandel> facundobatista, grep for slow_listdir :P
[12:29] <facundobatista> mandel, awesome!!
[12:31] <ralsina> good morning!
[13:35] <mandel> ralsina, nessita so here are a number of results some WITH failures from jenkins:  https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/job/ubuntu-sso-client-windows-test/37/testReport/?  https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/job/ubuntuone-control-panel-windows-test/41/testReport/? https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/job/ubuntuone-windows-installer-windows-test/65/testReport/? (we need to identify why this is going on)
[13:35] <ralsina> mandel: looking...
[13:35] <mandel> ralsina, nessita jenkins got 'cloudy' due to an error in jenkins itself were it was not pulling correctly the source code
[13:36] <mandel> but that has been fixed
[13:36] <mandel> ralsina, nessita I expect that the next build for u1-client will be a failure with 3 tests (we already now that)
[13:36] <ralsina> mandel: it's looking great!
[13:37] <ralsina> it's actually easier than the console output :-)
[13:37] <mandel> ralsina, hehe
[13:38] <mandel> ralsina, so, with all this sorted out I'm going to ignore jenkins since now we have nice reports etc..
[13:38] <mandel> ralsina, the rest is fixing those broken tests and automating the build of the .exe, which is a complete diff story
[13:39] <ralsina> mandel: sounds good to me
[13:39] <mandel> nessita, gatox I hope that all this setup make you live a little easier when porting the Qt code to linux, at least you will know what was broken earlier etc..
[13:40] <mandel> ok, lunch time for manuel :)
[14:20] <ralsina> nessita: no1-1 while you are on sprint. Enjoy ;-)
[14:31] <nessita> ralsina: ack!
[14:46] <nessita> dobey: ping
[14:50] <dobey> in a call
[14:52] <nessita> dobey: ack, let me know when you have some minutes
[15:01] <mandel> dobey, ralsina standup?
[15:03] <mandel> hola??
[15:03] <ralsina> mandel: oops, no notes!
[15:03] <dobey> pass
[15:03] <ralsina> let's pass
[15:03] <mandel> puos!!! I have notes
[15:03] <mandel> I'm going to paste them :P
[15:03] <ralsina> NEXT mandel:
[15:03] <ralsina> ;-)
[15:03] <mandel> DONE: Fixed Bug 924384 Bug 924369 and ensured that jenkins does work with them. Looked at bug 904554 and bug 873012(ralsina we should talk about this)/
[15:03] <mandel> TODO: Finish fix for bug 904554 and bug 873012. Proxy. Chat with alecu (around my 10pm)
[15:03] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 924384 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Allow to pass extra parameters to run-tests.bat that should be fowarded to u1trial (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924384
[15:03] <mandel> cabrones!
[15:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 924369 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Add the skip-lint flag to the run-tests.bat (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924369
[15:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 904554 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: when creating empty files, those are not uploaded (affects: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904554
[15:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873012 in ubuntuone-windows-installer (and 1 other project) "Should not synchronize Desktop.ini files (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873012
[15:04] <mandel> ralsina, we need to talk about bug 873012, we need to consider splitting the configuration between windows and linux
[15:04] <ralsina> dobey: I need to talk with you 5' later today about a few things, is in 4 hours ok with you?
[15:04] <mandel> or something smarter
[15:04] <dobey> sure
[15:04] <ralsina> mandel: is that syncdaemon config?
[15:05] <ralsina> mandel: if so, we can just add another config file "windows.conf" and that's it
[15:05] <mandel> ralsina, yes, so, on windows we need to ignore extra files, yet is that the correct way?
[15:05] <dobey> we can add extra config files easily enough
[15:05] <ralsina> mandel: we'd have to check the configglue docs, but it eems you can have as many config files as you want, so we can just add one that's only there for windows
[15:06] <dobey> but why not just add the ignores to the current config?
[15:06] <dobey> why would you ignore them on one platform, but not the other?
[15:06] <ralsina> dobey: they are platform-specific files
[15:06] <mandel> exactly
[15:06] <ralsina> dobey: a Desktop.ini is "special" on windows, but it's not special on lnux
[15:07] <dobey> right, but why would i want to sync that on linux?
[15:07] <mandel> ralsina, but, multiple config files means that the last loaded one is the one used, and it would be nice to aggregate them rather than one step on the other one
[15:07] <ralsina> mandel: we should number them
[15:07] <mandel> dobey, users are 'special'
[15:08] <ralsina> dobey: because you are a linux-only user and having a file that magically doesn't sync is strange?
[15:08] <mandel> although we have similar issues with users that do Test and test in the same dir :P
[15:08] <dobey> like symlinks?
[15:08] <dobey> or yeah, case sensitivity issues
[15:09] <mandel> dobey, ralsina and thinking about it.. what happens if a sync a funny file called desktop.ini from linux to windows?
[15:09] <ralsina> mandel: mess
[15:09] <nessita> dobey: you available now? :-)
[15:09] <dobey> nessita: now, yes :)
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: yesterday, I mistakenly proposed the SSO update-stable-from-trunk branch against trunk instead of against stable-3-0. I thought I noticed that soon enough to prevent the landing (I reverted to 'needs review' and superseded the proposal ASAP), and I did not got a "merged" email, but apparently, the branch was merged the same. So, now, to fix that situation, I could either propose a branch that revert the (minor) changes, or remove
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: no branches have landed after that, nor are about to land
[15:11] <dobey> nessita: what minor changes?
[15:11] <nessita> dobey: setup.py version and a execution flag in a .py windows (not sure who added that, but is there)
[15:11] <nessita>  M  setup.py
[15:11] <nessita>   * ubuntu_sso/main/tests/test_windows.py
[15:11] <nessita> All changes applied successfully.
[15:12] <nessita> dobey: I will like not to have that revno in trunk at all....
[15:12] <nessita> so pushing the revno right before that makes sense to me
[15:12] <dobey> ok
[15:13] <dobey> well you need to uncommit the new revision i think
[15:13] <nessita> dobey: from trunk? I was about to do: bzr branch -r 841 lp:ubuntu-sso-client r841; cd r841; bzr push lp:ubuntu-sso-client
[15:14] <dobey> that might work
[15:15] <nessita> mandel, ralsina: please no one lands nothing to sso trunk (for a couple of minutes)!!!
[15:15] <ralsina> nessita: ack
[15:17] <mandel> nessita, np!
[15:23] <nessita> dobey: pushing to lp:ubuntu-sso-client with revno 841 is giving me "No new revisions or tags to push.". Seems like it won't override the current history... would that be a new "feature"?
[15:25] <dobey> nessita: no, you'd need to push --overwrite to do it
[15:25] <nessita> ah, you're right :-)
[15:31] <alecu> mandel, ping
[15:31] <nessita> dobey, ralsina, mandel: ussoc trunk is now ready
[15:31] <mandel> alecu, pong!
[15:31] <mandel> nessita, ack
[15:31] <alecu> mandel, we've got half an hour now till lunch: do you want to mumble now?
[15:33] <mandel> alecu, I perfer to do it later, if it is not a pita for you
[15:34] <alecu> mandel, no problem
[15:34] <mandel> cool
[15:35] <mandel> ralsina, nessita would it be adding a config for linux and one for windows something we could consider (follow the conversation on #chicharra if you can)
[15:36] <mandel> mainly, add the windows one in the lp:ubuntuone-windows-installer and change the installer for that
[15:37] <ralsina> mandel: answered in#chicharra
[15:55] <mandel> ralsina, sys.platform returns linux2, will it ever return a diff number?
[15:55] <mandel> as in linux3 if I used a 3.* kernel
[15:55] <ralsina> mandel: IIRC, it will return linux2 for the foreseeable future, also on linux 3
[15:55] <dobey> mandel: i think it was fixed to keep returning linux2 on 3.x, to avoid breaking the world
[15:56] <mandel> ack
[15:56] <dobey> mandel: thisfred did make a couple fixes in a few places back in the day to work with linux3 as well if it did change
[15:57] <dobey> checking for sys.platform being linux feels weird to me though
[15:58] <dobey> we should do what twisted does, i think
[15:58] <dobey>     if runtime.platform.getType() == 'posix':
[15:58] <dobey> it seems more correct to me, at least
[15:58] <thisfred> that implies we run on much more than linux though :)
[15:58] <thisfred> but yeah
[15:59] <thisfred> why not be ambitious :)
[15:59] <dobey> well, there's really no reason we shouldn't
[15:59] <thisfred> at least it shouldn't break on filenames
[15:59] <dobey> we should at least work on HURD
[15:59] <thisfred> and gentoo
[15:59]  * thisfred runs
[15:59] <mandel> and mac os x
[16:00] <dobey> pyinotify is probably the only thorn in the side, which is why i've been saying for a long time we should drop it and just use the gio watch api
[16:05] <thisfred> dobey: one thing I recently thought of: can we have u1trial call trial with --reporter=text by default?
[16:06] <dobey> thisfred: i don't think we should change the default from what trial itself does by default
[16:06] <thisfred> dobey: that way we only get errors/failures in the report, which will make the launchpad merge proposal pages more useful in case we mess up.
[16:06] <thisfred> dobey: why not?
[16:06] <dobey> we can probably fix it so we do that in tarmac
[16:06] <thisfred> dobey: when is it ever useful to see test_foo [OK]
[16:07] <thisfred> that's fine too, but it's more useful when running tests locally too, I find
[16:07] <thisfred> no need to scroll back for pages
[16:07] <dobey> perhaps it should be discussed with twisted and changed upstream then
[16:07] <dobey> i don't know the reason why the default is the default
[16:07] <thisfred> why? If a program has options, they can be used, surely?
[16:08] <thisfred> dobey: right now u1trial hides that option completely. If it's passed through, that would also work for me
[16:08] <thisfred> or does it pass on all options it doesn't define itself now?
[16:09] <dobey> because defaults were chosen for a reason surely, and if it's useful for us to change the defaults for us, it's likely useful for a million other people as well, no?
[16:09] <dobey> thisfred: u1trial passes everything through to trial which it doesn't handle itself, yes
[16:10] <mandel> dobey, after a apt-get build-deps ubuntuone-client I'm getting **Error***: You must have gtk-doc >= 1.0 installed on P, that should not happen, right?
[16:10] <dobey> thisfred: u1trial --help should show all the same options as trial, plus the pieces we add on top (or need to change, like reactor handling)
[16:10] <dobey> mandel: that shouldn't happen, no. but i guess you probably don't have the nightlies ppa added, either.
[16:10] <mandel> dobey, I do
[16:11] <dobey> mandel: gtk-doc isn't needed to build the tarball release, but is needed for the nightlies
[16:11] <dobey> mandel: you don't have the source repo added or enabled, then
[16:11] <ralsina> Have to go to thedoctor in lieu of lunch. See you all in about 90 minutes
[16:11] <mandel> dobey, indeed, sources is not enabled
[16:15] <dobey> thisfred: ok, i really don't like --reporter=text, at least for local runs. it seems to just block and then dump everything all at the end, no progress, and no ability to tell where it's hanging or such, if a test ends up hanging
[16:16] <thisfred> dobey: ok, I didn't realize that. I used it with non-twisted tests only I guess ;)
[16:17] <dobey> well, at least that's what seems to happen when i run u1trial --reporter=text ubuntuone in ubuntuone-dev-tools
[16:17] <thisfred> dobey: still I think it would be good for tarmac, where there is no sense of progress, and tests hanging is catastrophic either way
[16:17] <dobey> those are all non-twisted tests
[16:18] <thisfred> dobey: I only used it on a hobby project where all the tests pass in like a millisecond, so I didn't notice
[16:18] <dobey> yeah, i don't know why it was slow here
[16:19] <dobey> well now they were all faster
[16:19] <dobey> though for some reason, some are getting skipped
[16:19] <mandel> elopio, ping!
[16:19] <dobey> grmbl
[16:20] <mandel> dobey, on ubuntuone-dev-tools?
[16:20] <mandel> got squid or the apache tools installed?
[16:21] <mandel> I need to reboot due to updates..
[16:21] <mandel> stupid alpha!
[16:24] <dobey> yes
[16:25] <dobey> mandel: test_squid_testcase is getting skipped, but test_squid is all running fine
[16:26] <dobey> i need to get some lunch though.
[16:26] <dobey> bbiab
[16:26] <elopio> mandel: pong!
[16:37] <nessita> dobey: hey there, would you please re-review my gtk-gi branch when you have a chance? I kinda depend on that branch to move forward another branch I need for to the Qt port
[16:54] <mandel> elopio, still here?
[16:57] <elopio> mandel: yes sir.
[16:58] <mandel> I was looking into a bug you reported, bug 904554
[16:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 904554 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: when creating empty files, those are not uploaded (affects: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904554
[16:58] <mandel> elopio, I tried to reproduce it and I got the test file in my cloud, yet I created the file by creating a new file via the shell menu
[16:59] <elopio> mandel: let me see... If I remember correctly, the problem appears when you don't change the name of the file.
[16:59] <elopio> mandel: what's the shell menu?
[17:00] <mandel> elopio, right click create new text file :)
[17:00] <mandel> elopio, but that calls it new blah
[17:00] <mandel> and I renamed if to test.txt and get uploaded
[17:00] <elopio> mandel: do not rename it.
[17:01] <mandel> elopio, ok, looking
[17:01] <elopio> when you rename it, u1 records a move. Or something like that explained nessita.
[17:02] <mandel> elopio, yes, is a move from 'blah' to 'new blah'
[17:02] <mandel> elopio, my question would be, does it even matter? I mean, if you wrote nothing you have notihg to loose :P
[17:02] <elopio> mandel: yes, I would make it really low priority :)
[17:03] <mandel> elopio, its simple to fix
[17:03] <mandel> elopio, I can fake a modify after the create
[17:04] <elopio> mandel: that sounds like a weird workaround, but you are the expert.
[17:04] <mandel> elopio, well, let me check why it does not get uploaded
[17:07] <mandel> elopio, can you do the same test on a linux machine?
[17:11] <elopio> mandel: sure. It works on precise without having to rename it.
[17:11] <elopio> Untitled Document gets uploaded. Do you want the syncdaemon log?
[17:12] <mandel> elopio, ok
[17:12] <mandel> elopio, can I get the logs of that?
[17:16] <elopio> mandel:  https://pastebin.canonical.com/59227/
[17:21] <mandel> elopio, if you do a search you will see that FS_FILE_CLOSE_NOWRITE is missing
[17:21] <mandel> elopio, on windows I mean, so we have to fake a write on windows :P
[17:23] <elopio> mandel: um, yes, I got it.
[17:23] <mandel> elopio, if i ever write a windows driver ofr u1 we will not have this problems ;)
[17:25] <elopio> mandel: ow, writing windows drivers sounds like the least funny job. There should be daily free hugs for whoever does it.
[17:26] <mandel> elopio, hehe
[17:27] <elopio> mandel: but, go for the bug fix! There's a beer waiting in Costa Rica for the fix of everyone of my bugs.
[17:27] <elopio> hum, let's better make it half a beer. Half for the reporter, half for the fixer.
[17:27] <mandel> elopio, I'm on it atm :)
[17:28] <dobey> nessita: sure. does it need the gireactor to run installed, or only for the test suite?
[17:32] <nessita> dobey: it does need the gireactor
[17:33] <nessita> dobey: wait, perhaps I'm not sure what you asked :-)
[17:33] <nessita> dobey: the service to run, do not need any reactor. The GTK UI tests to run, need the gireactor
[17:33] <dobey> nessita: so it's only for the test suite?
[17:34] <nessita> dobey: yes
[17:41] <dobey> ok
[17:56] <nessita> ralsina_doctor: may I have a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/stable-3-0-update-2.99.3/+merge/90964 ?
[17:58] <dobey> i wonder what the scottish siri gag skit would be like, if it had someone with a really thick scottish accent.
[18:04] <dobey> nessita: is there a test server i could run locally (or a live staging server), that i can point ubuntu-sso at for testing? or does it have to use the production server always?
[18:10] <dobey> nessita: regarding the layout differences, it seemed to be that the label wasn't wrapping, for example, so the the dialog was quite wide
[18:10] <nessita> dobey: sorry for the delay, reading the first question now
[18:11] <nessita> dobey: you can use the sso staging server but those account will not work with U1 (but you will be able to create dummy, plain, sso accounts). To do so, run the sso service with this line:
[18:12] <nessita> (grepping files)
[18:12] <dobey> that's fine. i don't want to create any u1 accounts. though if we could also connect staging u1 and staging sso to test account creation on both, that would be nice indeed
[18:17] <nessita> dobey: hum, apparently is not working (no related to this branch). Formerly, you could do:
[18:17] <nessita> DEBUG=True PYTHONPATH=. USSOC_SERVICE_URL="https://login.staging.ubuntu.com/api/1.0" bin/ubuntu-sso-login
[18:18] <mandel> EOD for me, catch you all tom!
[18:18] <gatox> mandel, bye
[18:18] <nessita> dobey: but now the service is not fully starting, and I would rather not debug ATM this. I usually create dummy accounts on productions... so could you do that, for this branch?
[18:19] <dobey> nessita: any idea about the label not wrapping?
[18:20] <nessita> dobey: let me check if the label is set to wrap (it should). Before GTK3, we had a hack to make the label have the size-request that the parent had, but I removed that hack
[18:21] <nessita> confirmed that the header label, the secondary text label, and the warning label have "wrap mode" set to warp_word
[18:22] <nessita> dobey: all the GtkLabels in the ui.glade file have <property name="wrap">True</property>
[18:24] <dobey> hrmm
[18:25] <nessita> dobey: FYI, I found the proper way to use the staging server:
[18:25] <nessita> DEBUG=True PYTHONPATH=. USSOC_SERVICE_URL="https://login.staging.ubuntu.com/api/1.0/" bin/ubuntu-sso-login
[18:26] <nessita> dobey: the key is ensuring a trailing backslash to the url
[18:29] <dobey> hrmm, that broke recently then
[18:29] <nessita> dobey: what do you mean?
[18:30] <nessita> dobey: an assertion was added to the code, yes, because we never should pass service uris without a trailing spaces
[18:30] <dobey> because i tried it another version of sso and it worked :)
[18:30] <dobey> but ok
[18:31] <dobey> nessita: how do i create an account, if i can't see the captcha, btw? :)
[18:31] <nessita> dobey: the assertion was added a couple of revnos ago
[18:31] <nessita> dobey: right. I can provide a diff to apply to the libsoup that will make it work (but is not good enough to be in trunk)
[18:32] <dobey> i guess people just won't be able to create accounts in nightlies for a while?
[18:33] <nessita> dobey: yes, though is better that now, where they can't do anything at all that involves a UI
[18:33] <nessita> dobey: alecu will fix this before this week ends
[18:34] <dobey> nessita: hrmm, I can't seem to ^C the new ubuntu-sso-login :(
[18:35] <nessita> dobey: yes, neither can ^C any that have a gtk mainloop
[18:36] <nessita> dobey: I've tried with u1sdtool, for example
[18:36] <nessita> and magicicada, and any other app I run in a terminal that use a glib mainloop
[18:36] <dobey> huh
[18:38] <dobey> well that sucks
[18:38] <dobey> but indeed it seems it is probably a python-gi bug
[18:39] <dobey> ugh, and an ugly one at that :-/
[18:39] <nessita> dobey: yeah
[18:42] <nessita> dobey: let me share the soup diff with you
[18:42]  * nessita greps logs
[18:42] <dobey> that's ok
[18:44] <dobey> hrmm
[18:44] <dobey> looks like i got a 403 when it's trying to hit the u1 ping URL
[18:44] <dobey> oh doh
[18:45] <nessita> dobey: it will not work with the sso staging server
[18:46] <dobey> yeah, i just realized i was still running it with that set :)
[18:46] <nessita> dobey: ;-)
[18:46] <dobey> gah, i wish launchpad had attachments for merge proposals
[18:47] <dobey> because they are necessary when reviewing things with UI
[18:50] <dobey> nessita: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/91640946/sso-gtk3-nowrap.png
[18:57] <nessita> dobey: looking
[18:57] <nessita> dobey: you want me to fix that in this branch?
[18:58] <dobey> I don't know. If it's trivial, yes. If it's not, then well, I don't know. I suspect it is not trivial though
[18:59] <nessita> dobey: let me do a quick googling
[18:59] <ralsina> nessita: reviewing
[18:59] <nessita> ralsina: welcome back. You ok?
[18:59] <dobey> gtk3 has various changes that screw up layout in lots of apps
[18:59] <ralsina> nessita: yes, doctor was overbooked
[19:01] <nessita> dobey: can you please tell me what do you understand from " Note that setting line wrapping to TRUE does not make the label wrap at its parent container's width, because GTK+ widgets conceptually can't make their requisition depend on the parent container's size. For a label that wraps at a specific position, set the label's width using gtk_widget_set_size_request()."?
[19:01] <nessita> (from http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.2/GtkLabel.html#gtk-label-set-line-wrap)
[19:01] <ralsina> nessita: you need to fix the width for the wrapping tobe useful?
[19:01] <nessita> ralsina: yeah, and we should not fix the width, no?
[19:02] <nessita> fixing width is very bad :-/
[19:02] <ralsina> nessita: I usually frown upon it, yes
[19:02] <dobey> nessita: it means setting wrapping to true on the label will never work right
[19:02] <ralsina> dobey: another way to put it
[19:02] <nessita> dobey: which is a bummer
[19:02] <dobey> nessita: which means having to do the size-allocate hack
[19:02] <ralsina> Or you have to do wacky stuff resetting the width on parent resizing events or somesuch
[19:02] <nessita> dobey: let me try to put that back in
[19:03] <nessita> dobey: though, I must say, it was the same (ie, bad) with the hack in
[19:03] <dobey> i thought gtk3 was supposed to fix this and do funky layout to make it work, though :(
[19:03] <nessita> dobey: that was my understanding as well
[19:03] <dobey> nessita: it didn't wrap with the hack?
[19:03] <nessita> dobey: yeap, but let me re-check it
[19:09] <nessita> dobey: I restored the hack and the labels work the same as without it. Want me to push this changes?
[19:09] <dobey> also, should we land my u1client branch now, that adds gireactor support, and switches to gi tests by default?
[19:09] <dobey> nessita: lets leave it out for now
[19:10] <nessita> dobey: if we have the stable-3-0 already updated from trunk, let's land that
[19:10] <dobey> nessita: is there already a bug for the missing captcha?
[19:10] <dobey> stable-3-0 isn't updated yet
[19:10] <nessita> yes, is in the merge proposal iirc
[19:10] <dobey> ah ok, yes it is
[19:11] <nessita> dobey: yeap, bug #921822
[19:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 921822 in ubuntu-sso-client "webclient with libsoup backend is not reading the whole body response (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921822
[19:11] <nessita> dobey: alecu confirmed he will be fixing that next
[19:12] <dobey> yeah, that's fine. i just wanted to make sure there was a bug for it.
[19:12] <nessita> yes, thanks
[19:12] <nessita> and thanks for the thorough review :-)
[19:13] <dobey> i'm filing a bug for the label wrapping
[19:14] <nessita> dobey: great
[19:16] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/925042
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 925042 in ubuntu-sso-client "Labels not wrapping properly with Gtk3 version of SSO (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:16] <dobey> nessita: approved
[19:16] <nessita> dobey: yey! thanks
[19:33] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/rhythmbox-ubuntuone/update-from-trunk/+merge/91152
[19:33] <dobey> can i get a review or two for that?
[19:35] <nessita> dobey: let me propose a branch and will review
[19:36] <dobey>   sure, thanks
[19:49] <nessita> ralsina: if you happen to have some extra minutes: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-windows-installer/stable-3-0-update-2.99.3/+merge/90963
[19:51] <ralsina> nessita: got it
[19:56] <dobey> nessita: you pushed changes after changing the branch to approved! (i reset it back to approved though)
[20:11] <nessita> dobey: i pushed a trunk merge, and I set it to approve after that (but did not check if LP got that push though)
[20:12] <dobey> right. you didn't wait for the rescan :)
[20:15] <ralsina> nessita: +1
[20:15] <nessita> dobey: yeah... and now it fails with xvfb not being able to start... would that be installed in the precise tarmac?
[20:16] <dobey> should be, i'll check
[20:16] <nessita> dobey: also, question from your branch: is this import "from MusicStoreWidget import U1MusicStoreWidget" correct? can't we have a fully import, such as "from ubunutone.something.MusicStoreWidget..." ?
[20:17] <nessita> ralsina: thanks
[20:17] <dobey> nessita: it's correct. that isn't a python package
[20:18] <nessita> dobey: ack. What is it then? :-) (trying to understand a little deeper)
[20:18] <dobey> nessita: relative import from the directory in which the plug-in is installed
[20:18] <nessita> ah, I see
[20:18] <nessita> for python 3 we'll need to make that from .Music... :-)
[20:19] <dobey> it used to be from ., but python doesn't like that for things that don't have __init__ (which aren't python packages)
[20:20] <dobey> and i have no idea when rhythmbox will support python 3. probably not for a while :)
[20:20] <nessita> right
[20:20] <dobey> and i think i'd prefer to rewrite the plug-in in vala or c by that time anyway
[20:21] <nessita> dobey: would have bet you would say that ;-)
[20:21] <dobey> well, it will actually make it easier to support older versions of rhythmbox, as well as the new ones
[20:22] <dobey> supporting both now, from python, is basically impossible
[20:23] <dobey> nessita: xvfb appears to be installed
[20:23] <dobey> it is precise though, so very likely could be broken :(
[20:31] <dobey> nessita: and no x-related upgrades available
[20:32] <nessita> dobey: did we need to tweak tarmac <somehow> to have xfvb running? something related to having an x window?
[20:32] <dobey> no
[20:32] <nessita> an X display I meant
[20:32] <dobey> xvfb creates a virtual display; that's the whole point of xvfb :)
[20:32] <nessita> dobey: isn't tarmac running as a cron process, where <something> from X is not set?
[20:32] <nessita> yes... but I think I recall it needed <something> :-)
[20:33] <nessita> but I can't remember *what*
[20:33] <dobey> nessita: yes, but that's true in all tarmac instances. we've not done anything special for xvfb that i know of
[20:33] <nessita> dobey: in natty, you mean
[20:33] <nessita> ?
[20:34] <dobey> or lucid or maverick. tarmac is running from a cron job with basically empty environment, in all of them
[20:34] <nessita> let's ask sidnei, he may have done something when he setup that tarmac (you were on holidays... iirc)
[20:34] <dobey> i don't think so
[20:34] <nessita> you don't think you were on holidays? or that something extra is needed? :-)
[20:35]  * nessita is not sure of both
[20:35] <dobey> both.
[20:35] <nessita> heh
[20:35] <dobey> i wasn't on holiday yesterday, and pretty sure xvfb doesn't need anything special
[20:35] <nessita> dobey: so, xvfb will work in my precise install...
[20:35] <dobey> xvfb can be fidgity though
[20:37] <nessita> gatox: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/qt-in-linux/+merge/91164
[20:38] <gatox> nessita, do you want me to review it? merge that branch with mine and keep working? both?
[20:38] <nessita> gatox: both! :-D
[20:38] <gatox> nessita, roger that
[20:38] <nessita> good guess :-P
[20:49] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/update-from-trunk/+merge/91166
[20:53] <nessita> dobey: approved the former one
[20:53] <dobey> nessita: thanks!
[21:16] <dobey> hmm
[21:38] <dobey> nessita: i think it's a timing issue
[21:39] <nessita> dobey: hey there, my net connection starting acting up :-/
[21:39] <nessita> dobey: timing issue between who? :-)
[21:39] <dobey> i see that
[21:39] <dobey> heh
[21:39] <dobey> timing issue re: xvfb problem
[21:40] <dobey> i am running the tests myself on the tarmac vm instance, but they are going *very* slowly
[21:40] <nessita> dobey: yes... but timing between what and what?
[21:40] <dobey> i don't know yet
[21:40] <dobey> but i think it's a timing issue somewhere :)
[21:42] <dobey> wtf is java running for
[21:42] <dobey> oh jenkins
[21:42] <dobey> hrmm
[21:43] <dobey> u1trial and xvfb are what are using all the CPU
[21:44] <nessita> dobey: copy that. I had to go... I guess I'll help you debug tomorrow
[21:44] <nessita> dobey: anyways, my net conn will not let me do much more today, apparently :-/
[21:44] <nessita> ok, see ya tomorrow!


[04:26] <map> thm
[07:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:55] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:22] <OERIAS> Wave of Mutilation- Pixies
[10:23] <Myrtti> morning
[10:24] <OERIAS> Good Morning Myrtti
[14:23] <map> hi all
[14:23] <daftykins> afty
[14:24] <map> i might have bee=n a bit optimistic :( been having to take stuff out of my cases
[14:24] <map> sucks
[14:25] <daftykins> what!
[14:26] <daftykins> map: is the trip off? :(
[14:54] <map> noo
[14:54] <map> just mean i packed too much
[14:54] <map> lol
[15:00] <daftykins> oooh :)
[15:04] <diddledan> arnie is looking old
[15:04] <map> what u watching]
[15:05] <diddledan> just been looking at the trailer for "sabotage"
[15:05] <map>  b ah seen 8it
[15:05] <map> was ok
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> woah, that was close!  got back from working *just in time* to watch F1 on neeb... worried that expecting F1, I tuned into Somgsa of Praise!  no prob...2 mins early :)
[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:07] <map> =]
[16:07] <map> wasnt the f1 at like 1?
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> sssh! I was working... no spoilers [pretty please]
[16:13] <map> ah
[16:15] <penguin42> must be better, you can cut out all the boring laps
[16:15] <daftykins> XD
[16:15] <daftykins> i resisted commenting ;D
[16:19] <DJones> SuperEngineer: I can confirm that Jim Clark didn't win todays race
[16:19] <DJones> Sorry for that spoiler
[16:22] <map> lol
[16:22]  * daftykins wonders who that is
[16:22] <map> google eliminates the need to ask questions;p
[16:23] <daftykins> and also eliminates the ability to have a conversation
[16:24] <DJones> daftykins: daftykins Just because he was Scottish and they nearly voted for independance, no need to ignore one of the greatest racing drivers :)
[16:24]  * DJones removes a duplicate daftykins
[16:27] <penguin42> popey: I see you've got to behave yourself on Saturday evening so you can give a talk on Sunday :-)
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> DJones: you seem to be right re Jim Clark.  He's nowhere on the leaderboard right now!
[16:33] <DJones> SuperEngineer: Just tell whoever is in first to keep looking over their shoulder
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:33] <daftykins> through some kind of time travel telephone? :)
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> well, Dr. Who replay is on later... I could send that very request! [in my world that is possible, my world is nice ;) ]
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> all applications to join my planet are welcome... though seldom accepted
[16:36] <daftykins> i must avoid, as Dr. Who airings don't fit for me
[16:37] <SuperEngineer> daftykins ...try a different size?
[16:39] <map> hmm the strain on tonight..yay
[16:46] <popey> penguin42: lolz ☻
[16:59] <popey> penguin42: you will come and say hello won't you?
[17:02] <penguin42> popey: Yep, I probably won't be there on the Friday but will on the Saturday and probably Sunday
[17:03] <popey> awesome
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> re oggcamp - I've just tempted a colleague to cover for me... if colleague accepts... any local accomodation left?
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> [Saturday night - 1 night]
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> hmm.. there goes that plan
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> 1 oggcamp.org = 504 gateway timeout ;(
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> 2 it's only 40 miles from home... this is frustrating... come *on* colleague - phone back!
[17:18] <popey> thanks
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> [if he doesn't phone in next 15 minutes - his name will become public!]
[17:48] <popey> http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ lolz


[12:02] <mdke> thesaltydog, i suppose anyone who uses ddclient will know what ip address means
[12:02] <thesaltydog> ok. I was saying just that!!
[12:03] <mdke> is it installed by default in Ubuntu?
[12:03] <thesaltydog> no!
[12:03] <mdke> ok then
[12:03] <mdke> ip address it is ;)
[12:04] <thesaltydog> wonderful
[12:04] <thesaltydog> another issue..
[12:04] <mdke> Burgundavia, tell me who to CC and stuff
[12:04] <thesaltydog> for apache I have just put: Web Server
[12:04] <thesaltydog> but someone has changed it to : "Apache web server"
[12:04] <thesaltydog> this is not needed
[12:04] <mdke> oh
[12:04] <mdke> i suppose that is to distinguish it from apache2
[12:05] <Burgundavia> mdke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:05] <thesaltydog> as BUM displays: <scriptname> : <description>
[12:05] <Burgundavia> thesaltydog, I changed it
[12:05] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:05] <thesaltydog> ok  Burg, thank for the rest
[12:05] <Burgundavia> I didn't realize that
[12:05] <thesaltydog> you couldn't know...
[12:05] <mdke> ah ic
[12:05] <thesaltydog> you did a nice job
[12:05] <mdke> Burgundavia, wanna give me a spiel or shall I copy the product description in launchpad?
[12:06] <Burgundavia> just copy the descrip
[12:06] <Burgundavia> the program isn't even in Ubuntu yet
[12:06] <mdke> k kewl
[12:06] <thesaltydog> So Matt, when you edit the descriptions, keep in mind that users see also the script name. This could help.
[12:07] <mdke> thesaltydog, yes i will :)
[12:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, maybe ubuntu-translators is slightly out of place then, thoughts?
[12:07] <mdke> still, the list is so low traffic that it might wake them up
[12:08] <Burgundavia> yes it would
[12:08] <Burgundavia> the plan is to package is sooner or later
[12:08] <thesaltydog> goodnight to all
[12:08] <mdke> night fabio
[12:08] <mdke> Burgundavia, ok yeah
[12:08] <Burgundavia> if it gets lots of translation updates, I will get off my lazy ass and get it packaged
[12:09] <mdke> interesting app
[12:09] <mdke> a friend of mine was working on something similar
[12:09] <mdke> not open source tho i don't think
[12:10] <mdke> the first version of it is actually trading i think
[12:13] <mdke> email sent
[12:13] <Burgundavia> mdke, cheers, thanks
[12:14] <mdke> bcced you
[12:16] <Burgundavia> got it
[12:17] <Burgundavia> http://gbtcr.chileforge.cl/screenshots/audio_control.png
[12:20] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:22] <SquishyWaffle> argh
[02:10] <mdke> hello kassetra Kinnison
[02:10] <kassetra> Hiya :)
[02:10] <kassetra> So I'm going over these pages and pages of backports-meeting log....
[02:10] <mdke> :/
[02:10] <kassetra> And I'm still uncertain what exactly I'm trying to do, other than cut & paste sections around.
[02:11] <mdke> i guess a general summary of decisions taken
[02:11] <mdke> bullet points are very cool
[02:11] <mdke> but i missed most of the meeting, so i don't know what it was like
[02:11] <kassetra> long.
[02:11] <kassetra> very very long.
[02:11] <mdke> yeah
[02:12] <mdke> there was some officialisation of the backports, is that right?
[02:12] <kassetra> yeah.
[02:12] <mdke> they will be in ubuntu repos?
[02:12] <kassetra> yep.
[02:12] <mdke> thats cool
[02:12] <kassetra> very cool.
[02:12] <mdke> when will that start?
[02:12] <mdke> and who will work on them?
[02:12] <kassetra> we're working on the integration right now, if I'm not mistaken.
[02:13] <kassetra> jdong and his team.
[02:13] <mdke> right
[02:13] <mdke> excellent
[02:13] <mdke> and will the problems that the devs are always whinghing about be sorted?
[02:14] <mdke> whatever those problems are
[02:15] <kassetra> LOL we sorted 99% of them out in the meeting.
[02:16] <mdke> good stuff
[02:16] <kassetra> yeah, another reason the meeting was so long.
[02:16] <mdke> so will the backports just go into ubuntu-updates?
[02:16] <mdke> or a separate repo
[02:16] <kassetra> I believe (not down to that part yet of the log) that they'll have their own repo...
[02:16] <kassetra> but don't quote me on that.
[02:31] <mdke> way to go Troy Williams
[02:31] <mdke> whoever you are
[02:54] <jdub> mpt: around?
[03:41] <jsgotangco> morning
[03:43] <mdke> morning dude
[03:45] <jsgotangco> hmmm another patch
[03:46] <jsgotangco> single patch for 3 books?
[03:48] <mdke> better check it out
[03:48] <mdke> you're the kde man ;)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> argghh
[03:48] <jsgotangco> (i dont even use kubuntu lately)
[03:48] <mdke> well you've used it ;)
[03:49] <mdke> hopefully the patches will be good and you can commit em
[03:49] <jsgotangco> i should remind people to patch small
[03:49] <mdke> good idea
[03:49] <jsgotangco> 3 in 1 patch ain't so great for me
[03:49] <SquishyWaffle> What do you mean you haven't been using Kubuntu lately?:)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> uh oh caught
[03:50] <jsgotangco> i've been into the color of poo lately
[03:50] <jsgotangco> and bad fonts
[03:50] <SquishyWaffle> Gnome?
[03:50] <mdke> bad fonts?
[03:50] <mdke> my god
[03:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:50] <jsgotangco> dude
[03:50] <mdke> anything from sean jsgotangco ?
[03:50] <jsgotangco> ask amu and Riddell
[03:51] <mdke> oh yeah cos they're not biased
[03:51] <jsgotangco> KDE is far more superior
[03:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:51] <jsgotangco> mdke, he updated the wiki
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i think he's taking his time
[03:51] <mdke> the meeting page?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i even checked email around midnight to see if he reacted
[03:51] <jsgotangco> im glad he updated the wiki
[03:52] <jsgotangco> he has a grasp of things far better than us combined
[03:52] <mdke> stupid wiki
[03:52] <mdke> can't see his diffs
[03:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:52] <jsgotangco> pretty dumb
[03:53] <SquishyWaffle> wish they'd get the new wiki in, this one is so sloowww
[03:53] <jsgotangco> mdke, for now, let's freeze global.ent to those with commit access
[03:53] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, tuesday
[03:53] <SquishyWaffle> woohoo!
[03:53] <jsgotangco> no patches to global.ent for now
[03:53] <mdke> jsgotangco, i don't mind, its not like they are difficult to check
[03:53] <mdke> as long as entities are added and not removed
[03:54] <jsgotangco> ill check the links this weekend
[03:54] <jsgotangco> and just group them together
[03:54] <mdke> i have to go sleep
[03:54] <mdke> Thu Jun  9 02:54:49 BST 2005
[03:54] <jsgotangco> 3AM?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:55] <SquishyWaffle> only 10 here :)
[03:55] <mdke> :/
[03:55] <mdke> night then
[03:55] <SquishyWaffle> cya
[03:55] <jsgotangco> my wife would kill me if im still awake at that time
[03:55] <jsgotangco> cya
[03:55] <jsgotangco> SquishyWaffle, 10am here
[03:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:55] <SquishyWaffle> my she-boss isn't in town right now
[03:55] <SquishyWaffle> am therefore immune to the "oh my god you've been up really late" attackthing
[03:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i'll review this patch first
[03:56] <jsgotangco> SquishyWaffle, nice job on the kquickguide
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i missed that toolbar stuff
[03:56] <SquishyWaffle> thanks, today has been busy otherwise I would've had some more ready. I've been turning it over in my head though
[03:56] <jsgotangco> its ok no rush
[03:56] <jsgotangco> we will make targets next week
[03:57] <SquishyWaffle> cool. Did we have a section on CD ripping?
[03:57] <SquishyWaffle> or is there more a kuserguide rather than quickguide topic?
[03:57] <jsgotangco> you can probably do that kind of stuff on the userguide
[03:57] <jsgotangco> the quickguide should just be a visual tour
[03:57] <SquishyWaffle> ok, so quickguide is bare minimum to get you up and going and userguide is thorough
[03:57] <jsgotangco> that's why i put up this table at the last part
[03:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:58] <jsgotangco> that's the idea
[03:58] <SquishyWaffle> do you want me to make screenshots of the toolbar elements?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> sure use imagemagick
[03:58] <jsgotangco> i'm almost done with the screenshots of the other apps
[03:59] <jsgotangco> just send the png personally to me when you're ready
[03:59] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, i didn't want to go take many since I remember you saying that
[03:59] <jsgotangco> i should talk to amu or Riddell about the roadmap though
[03:59] <jsgotangco> screenshots can be a chore
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hmm the patches are rejected
[04:17] <jsgotangco> should request for smaller ones then
[07:20] <mpt> jdub: pong
[09:14] <jsgotangco> ealden, ping
[09:20] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:27] <ealden> jsgotangco, pong :D
[09:56] <jsgotangco> ealden, intersted in helping out?
[10:03] <ealden> Yep.  I'm studying how this team works based on the wiki...
[10:04] <ealden> The initial checkout is a pain over dialup :D
[10:07] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:07] <jsgotangco> ill be uploading a ton of PNGs soon
[10:07] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:07] <ealden> Overnight checkouts, then :P
[10:08] <jsgotangco> i'll expect your patches then
[10:09] <ealden> :)
[10:10] <jsgotangco> you better svn up before making any edits though
[10:10] <jsgotangco> if you like a gui front end for svn, try getting esvn from universe
[10:12] <ealden> Hrrm, QT based
[10:15] <ealden> I'm getting it now
[10:15] <ealden> Err... apt-getting..
[10:15] <ealden> Or whatever term is applicable :P
[10:16] <jsgotangco> checking out
[10:18] <ealden> Ah
[10:48] <jsgotangco> enrico!
[10:49] <enrico> hi!
[10:52] <jsgotangco> enrico, we'll be having a meeting next week, hope it'll work out fine
[10:52] <jsgotangco> enrico, things have been pretty rough, but i guess we'll manage
[10:52] <enrico> jsgotangco: meeting with whom?
[10:52] <jsgotangco> docteam meeting
[10:52] <jsgotangco> you didnt get the email?
[10:52] <enrico> In the list?
[10:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:00] <enrico> jsgotangco: found
[11:00] <enrico> that's good
[11:01] <enrico> I don't believe one CC meeting can fix something that requires people from two different groups changing habit, but it's at least a start
[11:01] <jsgotangco> well yeah at least both should have a compromise
[11:02] <jsgotangco> now that froud's been pretty quiet, i think a dialogue is required more than ever
[11:03] <jsgotangco> altough i am glad he updated the wiki page
[11:04] <mdke> morning guys
[11:04] <jsgotangco> mdke, hey
[11:05] <mdke> hey jsgotangco
[11:05] <mdke> alright?
[11:06] <jsgotangco> mm?
[11:07] <mdke> as in, how's it going?
[11:08] <jsgotangco> dude, i'm hooked on media wiki
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:09] <mdke> green tea and mediawiki
[11:09] <mdke> a powerful combination
[11:09] <mdke> Sean texted me back this morning
[11:10] <jsgotangco> hmm is it good?
[11:10] <mdke> he seems ok, he said that he'd had good conversations with mako and henrik
[11:10] <mdke> and that he would try and help us out if needed, but that his decision was to take a break from the team
[11:11] <jsgotangco> ahhh i was expecting that
[11:11] <jsgotangco> he told me he'd rather focus on fringe projects
[11:11] <mdke> well if you have docbook questions I'm sure he won't mind answering them
[11:12] <jsgotangco> yeah but that also means we'll have to work more
[11:13] <mdke> well can do what we can
[11:13] <mdke> well/we
[11:13] <jsgotangco> we'll get there
[11:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:13] <mdke> you know how the forum has labels for users, like "Ubuntu developer" and stuff
[11:13] <mdke> there's one which is "forum donator"
[11:13] <mdke> :-(
[11:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:14] <jsgotangco> ranks suck
[11:14] <mdke> so much
[11:14] <mdke> but don't worry, you can buy one!
[11:14] <jsgotangco> i rarely go to the forums
[11:14] <jsgotangco> hah
[11:14] <jsgotangco> backports is pretty big over there though
[11:15] <mdke> yes
[11:15] <jsgotangco> main, mediawiki is soo coooler than moin
[11:15] <jsgotangco> skinning this looks difficult though
[11:16] <jsgotangco> no wonder mediawiki powered wikis look the same
[11:16] <ealden> *listens with great interest*
[11:17] <jsgotangco> mdke, so much for the portal
[11:17] <mdke> ?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> the docteam portal project
[11:18] <mdke> what about it?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> are we going to pusue it?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> i'd rather fix what's in svn for now
[11:19] <jsgotangco> along with the wiki stuff to be ported
[11:19] <mdke> well henrik has a good idea about this
[11:19] <mdke> to separate out what people are doing
[11:19] <jsgotangco> good thing henrik is diving in
[11:19] <mdke> group 1. works on the existing methodology and svn and such
[11:19] <mdke> group 2. pursues new technologies
[11:20] <mdke> yeah henrik is cool
[11:20] <mdke> naturally that idea doesn't stop people from doing things in both groups
[11:20] <jsgotangco> true
[11:20] <jsgotangco> "2 cultures"
[11:20] <mdke> just focuses work a bit more, and prevents the current work from getting slowed down
[11:22] <mdke> the 2 cultures thing refers to the divide between science and humanities
[11:22] <mdke> in this case, i think he meant science (devel) and humanities (doc)
[11:24] <mdke> not sure if it works, but its an interesting idea
[11:32] <jsgotangco> i thought i read devil
[11:32] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:33] <mdke> hey do you have an ubuntu t-shirt
[11:33] <mdke> i need an ubuntu t-shirt
[11:34] <jsgotangco> did you ask henrik?
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i have 2
[11:35] <jsgotangco> or probably claire
[11:35] <mdke> who is claire?
[11:35] <jsgotangco> claire puts order in mark's life in Uk
[11:35] <jsgotangco> email her
[11:35] <jsgotangco><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <mdke> right
[11:36] <jsgotangco> you're in london right
[11:36] <mdke> i am
[11:36] <mdke> simira was going to start an ubuntu shop
[11:36] <mdke> i wonder if she got anywhere with that
[11:37] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:37] <jsgotangco> cafepress?
[11:37] <jsgotangco> we have brown shirts
[11:39] <jsgotangco> mdke, were you able to read thart article on sabdfl that was sent in sounder
[11:39] <mdke> erm
[11:39] <mdke> i'm not subscribed
[11:39] <jsgotangco> where is that
[11:39] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[11:40] <jsgotangco> http://free.financialmail.co.za/05/0603/cover/coverstory.htm
[11:42] <mdke> thanks
[11:43] <mdke> "By 2010," Shuttleworth predicts, "Linux will have displaced proprietary software on the desktop."
[11:43] <mdke> *grins*
[11:43] <mdke> whatever
[11:45] <mdke> south kensington eh
[11:46] <jsgotangco> wonder when would be the time i can go to space
[12:05] <mdke> ok i'll see y'all later
[12:06] <ealden> Bye mdke
[12:07] <jsgotangco> later
[01:58] <mdke> *grins*
[01:58] <mdke> a gnome bug closed in less than 10 minutes
[01:58] <mdke> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307013
[01:58] <mdke> dunno where they got their reputation for not listening to users from
[02:10] <ealden> Bitter LOL :)
[02:11] <mdke> *grins*
[02:29] <mdke> i'm not letting it go..
[02:30] <ealden> Oh
[02:30] <jjesse> ?
[02:30] <mdke> ;)
[02:30] <ealden> Hehe
[02:30] <mdke> ealden, i've filed another bug with an alternative solution
[02:30] <mdke> #307019
[02:35] <ealden> Checking...
[02:37] <ealden> mdke, you aren't using Nautilus in spatial mode?
[02:37] <mdke> no
[02:38] <ealden> I see...
[02:38] <ealden> Nice find
[02:38] <mdke> a guy on #ubuntu-it did it
[02:39] <ealden> Oh
[02:39] <mdke> i'm just passing on ideas
[02:39] <ealden> Hehe
[02:39] <mdke> we need multilingual bugzilla
[02:40] <ealden> Yes
[02:40] <ealden> I just realized that I have never used the Notes feature heh
[02:41] <mdke> me neither until today
[02:41] <mdke> its awesome tho
[02:41] <ealden> Hey this is cool!
[02:42] <ealden> A big notes emblem appeared!
[02:42] <ealden> Wow!
[02:43] <ealden> Are notes preserved across computers?
[02:43] <mdke> no they are saved locally to nautilus i think
[03:02] <ealden> mdke, yeah, I tried hehe
[03:02] <ealden> mdke, makes sense for it to be local only though
[03:19] <SquishyWaffle> gooood morning #ubuntu-doc
[03:20] <mdke> morning SquishyWaffle
[03:20] <SquishyWaffle> playing with the Gnome devs today? :)
[03:31] <mdke> hmm
[03:31] <mdke> who knows how to work with diffs in svn?
[03:33] <mgalvin> mdke, this may help
[03:33] <mgalvin> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/re09.html
[03:33] <mdke> thanks
[03:33] <mgalvin> np
[03:34] <mdke> i am looking at a diff already, and want to figure out how to apply some, not all of it in svn
[03:34] <mdke> should I manually edit the diff?
[03:35] <SquishyWaffle> don't you patch your local copy then commit it?
[03:36] <mgalvin> yes, you want to patch what you have with the diff, man patch
[03:36] <mdke> yes
[03:36] <mgalvin> i am not sure if you can apply just part of a diff
[03:37] <mdke> hmm
[03:37] <SquishyWaffle> you can with some manual edits :)
[03:37] <mdke> i'll try just deleting the part i don't like
[03:37] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, that's your best met
[03:37] <SquishyWaffle> be
[03:37] <SquishyWaffle> bet, crap I can't spell today
[03:39] <SquishyWaffle> are you patching one of the KDE guides or am I safe to start tinkering?
[03:39] <mdke> yeah i am
[03:39] <mdke> gimme a bit
[03:39] <mdke> you can tinker anyway
[03:39] <SquishyWaffle> ok, I'll see if I can get the Kynaptic doc to parse
[03:40] <mdke> does it not parse?
[03:40] <SquishyWaffle> not for us KDE guys
[03:40] <mdke> we have a validate script that checks the xml
[03:40] <SquishyWaffle> well it parses but it's a huge blob of unbroken text
[03:40] <mdke> you can use it to check the xml ./validate.sh
[03:41] <SquishyWaffle> there's something seriously wrong with it :(
[03:42] <SquishyWaffle> gtaylor@gislinux1:~/ubuntu-doc/kde/kynaptic/C$ yelp kynaptic.xml
[03:42] <SquishyWaffle> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/gtaylor/.gnome2/yelp-bookmarks.xbel"
[03:42] <SquishyWaffle> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory
[03:43] <mdke> thats because you're not using gnome i presume
[03:43] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, but it's a KDE guide
[03:43] <mdke> but if the xml is valid, that's all you can do
[03:43] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, yelp is for gnome
[03:43] <SquishyWaffle> but is there any other way to read it other than yelp from KDE?
[03:43] <mdke> create an html out of it
[03:43] <SquishyWaffle> argh
[03:44] <mdke> applying parts of a patch is hard
[03:44] <mdke> i can't be bothered
[03:50] <mdke> ok
[03:50] <mdke> controversial question about how to spell vice-versa
[03:50] <mdke> we have vise-verse vis-a-verse
[03:51] <SquishyWaffle> I hear vice-versa a lot more
[03:51] <mdke> yeah that's the correct one i'm sure
[03:57] <SquishyWaffle> Which one of you were working on the Style Guide?
[03:57] <mdke> jeff-away
[03:57] <SquishyWaffle> ok
[04:06] <SquishyWaffle> in the StyleGuide, there's a section called 'Document Structure'. Should I put the list of tags there or create another section, keeping in mind that as per his layout, each section = 1 additional file.
[04:06] <mdke> is this on the wiki or in svn?
[04:06] <SquishyWaffle> the svn Style Guide
[04:07] <mdke> hmm
[04:07] <mdke> maybe separate doc? Probably best to ask jeff tho
[04:07] <SquishyWaffle> document structure could be many things in my mind
[04:07] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, any idea when he's usually around?
[04:07] <mdke> you've made an xml version of the wiki page?
[04:07] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, not sure when he's around
[04:07] <SquishyWaffle> I'm about to
[04:07] <SquishyWaffle> As per his request
[04:07] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, if you like you can consider testing our wiki->docbook script which mvirkkil wrote
[04:08] <SquishyWaffle> where is this located?
[04:08] <mdke> ubuntu-docs/teamstuff/moin2db
[04:08] <mdke> there's a readme
[04:09] <SquishyWaffle> checking it out
[04:16] <mvirkkil> I haven't heard anything regarding my svn access :(
[04:16] <mdke> you mailed elmo?
[04:17] <mdke> he's a busy guy
[04:17] <mdke> i'll stress him
[04:17] <mdke> mvirkkil, you mailed him your key?
[04:17] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yeah, a while ago.
[04:18] <mdke> what number is it?
[04:18] <mvirkkil> mdke: number?
[04:18] <mdke> your key
[04:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ugh. I haven't got it here. I'm at work.
[04:19] <mdke> i can't find it on the keyservers
[04:19] <mdke> ok we'll see if elmo can find it
[04:20] <mvirkkil> mdke: What keyserver should I submit it to? (ie. preferred?)
[04:20] <mdke> they all sync each other
[04:20] <mdke> but you don't have to upload it, its up to you
[04:21] <mdke> mvirkkil, have you got updates for that script?
[04:21] <mvirkkil> mdke: I haven't uploaded it, since I figured no one would need to use it.
[04:21] <mdke> fair enough
[04:21] <mvirkkil> mdke: I was thinking on working on it a bit tonight.
[04:21] <mdke> ok we'll get you added
[04:21] <mvirkkil> mdke: Thanks :)
[04:23] <mdke> no one called mikko has a gpg key on the keyservers
[04:23] <mdke> must be a rare name
[04:23] <mvirkkil> mdke: One of the most common first names for boys in finland.
[04:23] <mdke> bizarre
[04:23] <mvirkkil> mdke: Might even be the most common.
[04:23] <mdke> gpg: key "mikko" not found on keyserver
[04:29] <mdke> mvirkkil, ok looks good
[04:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: Thanks :) Has anyone fixed stuff there? Any suggestions what to fix first?
[04:30] <mdke> on the script?
[04:30] <mdke> not a clue
[04:30] <mdke> but SquishyWaffle is about to test it :D
[04:31] <mvirkkil> mdke: On his own server?
[04:31] <mdke> no he's gonna try converting a wiki page to a docbook file
[04:32] <mvirkkil> mdke: What wiki is he using?
[04:32] <mdke> ours
[04:32] <mvirkkil> mdke: url?
[04:32] <SquishyWaffle> Oh, I have to install the actual Wiki software to use it?
[04:33] <mdke> DocteamDocBookTags
[04:33] <mdke> i didn't realise that ;)
[04:33] <mvirkkil> SquishyWaffle: It's an output formatter for the moin wiki. It's integrated to the wiki itself, and is used directly
[04:33] <mvirkkil> mdke: The documentation should say that...
[04:33] <mdke> possibly
[04:34] <mdke> i've not seen the script yet
[04:34] <mvirkkil> Remember that you need to have the latest version
[04:34] <mdke> i thought it would convert files with moin tho
[04:34] <mvirkkil> >(moin--main--1.3--patch-725 was my version) to be able to use it.
[04:34] <mdke> so mvirkkil we need to install a wikiserver to use it?
[04:35] <mvirkkil> SquishyWaffle: We discussed the way to implement it with Henrik Omma and concluded that this would be the most elegant/longlived approach.
[04:35] <mdke> is it implemented in the test wiki?
[04:36] <mvirkkil> I've talked to moin developers, and it should be pretty easy to get it pused to upstream
[04:36] <SquishyWaffle> that'd be nice
[04:36] <mdke> yeah
[04:36] <SquishyWaffle> and the test wiki is going live tuesday?
[04:36] <mvirkkil> mdke: I've only tested it with my own wiki, directly from the tla repository.
[04:36] <mdke> right
[04:36] <mdke> so it may not work with the new moin wiki?
[04:37] <mvirkkil> The moin devs fixed several bugs as I was coding and pointing them out to them.
[04:37] <mdke> ok
[04:37] <mvirkkil> What's the url to the web interface to the svn?
[04:38] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
[04:38] <mdke> mvirkkil, so sounds like the best thing is to get the thing in upstream
[04:39] <mdke> is there any way that the docteam can use it for converting Ubuntu wiki pages to docbook documents?
[04:40] <mvirkkil> mdke: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/moin2db/manual
[04:40] <mdke> i see it
[04:40] <mvirkkil> mdke: you need to drop the attached file in the MoinMoin/formatter directory. Then the output can be accessed by
[04:40] <mvirkkil> adding "?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook" to the url.
[04:41] <mdke> mvirkkil, but if i understood correctly, that only works with the latest version of moin, it may be that the Ubuntu wiki will not use that version?
[04:41] <mvirkkil> But you do need the newest version of moin. Basically it couldn't be easier to 'convert' them to docbook, since it's done automagically by appending that to the url :)
[04:41] <mdke> yeah that's really cool
[04:41] <mdke> well i hope it will work in the Ubuntu wiki
[04:42] <mdke> we could try it on the test wiki maybe
[04:43] <mdke> or am I missing something?
[04:43] <mvirkkil> mdke: Well, basically you could temporarily copy all the data to a test server where you have the newest moin and do it there.
[04:44] <mdke> yes
[04:44] <mdke> it would be really cool to enable it in the ubuntu wiki tho
[04:44] <mdke> maybe that's a long term goal
[04:44] <mvirkkil> but I _know_ it will work poorly if the moin version is old, and backporting all the fixes would probably be a humongous pain...
[04:45] <mdke> probably
[04:45] <mdke> i mean the long term goal would be to get it in moin upstream, and upgrade the ubuntu wiki
[04:45] <SquishyWaffle> shoot, the new Wiki is going to be outdated at the time of being brought in?
[04:46] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, it will be using a stable version of the wiki software
[04:46] <mdke> it's 1.3
[04:46] <SquishyWaffle> The stable version is the one mvirkkil found the bugs in?
[04:46] <mvirkkil> SquishyWaffle: Well, the new wiki is based on the 1.3 branch (I was told), so it shouldn't be much of a problem upgrading later.
[04:46] <SquishyWaffle> that's encouraging :/
[04:47] <mvirkkil> SquishyWaffle: There are loads more. Custom formatters aren't used, so people output html directly instead of using the right channels.
[04:47] <mvirkkil> And the macro architecture isn't that good, since it enables invalid markup.
[04:48] <SquishyWaffle> Is MoinMoin relatively new or has it seen these issues much through its life-span?
[04:48] <mvirkkil> Though the xml I produce will always be valid xml though. Not guaranteed to be valid docbook, unfortunately.
[04:49] <mdke> well any time saving is good
[04:49] <mvirkkil> SquishyWaffle: They have a nice spearation between parsers and formaters and stuff. It's much, much better than mediawiki in that regard.
[04:50] <mvirkkil> Unfortunately the way the formatter is interfaced isn't the best possible imho.
[04:51] <mvirkkil> And the way macros call the formatter directly instead of going therough the parser makes the problem more visible.
[04:51] <SquishyWaffle> fun stuff
[04:51] <mvirkkil> The parser does a lot of sanity checking and makes sure that tags get closed when tehy should etc. Macros bypass that.
[04:51] <mdke> i'm installing moin to have a play around
[04:52] <mvirkkil> But it isn't really all that bad, and I was able to code that docbook formatter in 2 day I think :)
[04:52] <SquishyWaffle> good deal
[04:52] <mvirkkil> mdke: From tla?
[04:53] <mdke> hmm
[04:53] <mdke> tla?
[04:53] <mvirkkil> mdke: It's like svn or cvs. tla is also known as bazaar.
[04:54] <mvirkkil> sort of
[04:54] <mdke> oh
[04:54] <mvirkkil> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinDev/TlaGuide
[04:54] <mdke> no i've just installed 1.3.3
[04:54] <mdke> which was the unstable one with gentoo
[04:54] <mdke> is that not recent enough?
[04:55] <mvirkkil> mdke: It probably somewhat works with that. But as I mentioned, the moin guys fixed several bugs for me while I coded the docbook converter.
[04:55] <mdke> hmm
[04:55] <mdke> ok i'll just use this to play around
[04:55] <mdke> because then i can remove it easier
[04:55] <mvirkkil> Yeah, I had some pain in setting things up.
[04:56] <mdke> its hard?
[04:56] <SquishyWaffle> whoa, I think I just found a bug in Thunderbird
[04:56] <mvirkkil> mdke: No, just new.
[04:56] <mvirkkil> mdke: Hadn'
[04:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: And I did a custom setup, since I installed it as a user in to my own account, not to /var/www
[04:58] <mdke> hmm
[04:58] <mdke> god knows where mine is installed
[05:00] <mvirkkil> mdke: /usr/share/doc/moin might help :)
[05:00] <mdke> pah docs
[05:00] <mvirkkil> mdke: Nice attitude :)
[05:01] <Seveas> ...for #ubuntu-doc :)
[05:12] <SquishyWaffle> To fix something like this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353 I need to reply with a patch to that particular manpage, right?
[05:33] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, guess so
[05:33] <mdke> mvirkkil, looks like I'm going to have to read the docs afterall
[07:00] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, now's your chance!"
[07:00] <mdke> hi jeffsch
[07:00] <jeffsch> hello
[07:01] <mdke> jeffsch, SquishyWaffle was wondering about whether/how his tags document could be integrated with the StyleGuide
[07:01] <jeffsch> yes, I just finished with reading the scrollback
[07:02] <jeffsch> he should add it anywhere he thinks is appropriate
[07:02] <jeffsch> the outline I have put is not set in stone
[07:03] <jeffsch> the styleguide oranization will probably get chaotic for a while, which is good
[07:05] <jeffsch> SquishyWaffle: the "failed to load external entity /home/gtaylor/.gnome2/yelp-bookmarks.xbel error is no big deal
[07:05] <jeffsch> SquishyWaffle: i get that error all the time
[07:05] <jeffsch> SquishyWaffle: if yelp is not working for you, then it is some other problem
[07:06] <mdke> i have to dash off
[07:06] <mdke> sorry
[07:06] <mdke> catch you later i hope
[07:06] <jeffsch> np
[07:09] <SquishyWaffle> jeffsch: I was just looking at the KDE style guide and perhaps it may be better to link there as it's much more complete than my little cheat sheet. You already have it down near the end of the book
[07:09] <SquishyWaffle> I had to guess a lot of the tags from an example or two I found in the kde guides so mine not be entirely correct either.
[07:09] <SquishyWaffle> mine might not be entirely correct :)
[07:10] <jeffsch> don't worry about that. if it's there, we can work on it. if it's not there...
[07:11] <jeffsch> we can start with what you did, then integrate the best of gnome and the best of kde
[07:11] <jeffsch> and tailor it for our specific needs
[07:15] <SquishyWaffle> ok, I'll create a new section called: 'Syntax and Symbols'
[07:16] <jeffsch> ok. the styleguide is still in early stages, and it's normal for it to be unstable right now
[07:16] <jeffsch> it doesn't need to be stable until July 31 or thereabouts
[07:17] <jeffsch> SquishyWaffle: thanks for your help! Is there more to come?
[07:17] <SquishyWaffle> More to come being more tags?
[07:18] <jeffsch> hehe. that, and more in general. I don't want to be the only one doing styleguide
[07:19] <SquishyWaffle> I'd be glad to help but I need direction in some areas
[07:19] <jeffsch> the more people the better. That way it will be a better document (I hope)
[07:19] <SquishyWaffle> I'm not a huge grammer person, more of a aesthetics and flow person
[07:20] <jeffsch> that's good. the guide needs that stuff too.
[08:35] <jjesse> i love those little baggies
[08:35] <jjesse> i call them emergency pillows :)
[08:37] <SquishyWaffle> I'm waiting for one of my labmates to return so I can scare the mess out of her when I pop it
[08:43] <jjesse> grin thats funny
[09:51] <SquishyWaffle> hrm, I see the WIki doc on taking screenshots but not re-sizing them


[00:10] <fisch246> so...
[00:10] <fisch246> who here thinks WWDC is going to be boring this year?
[00:10] <fisch246> o/
[00:39] <tonyyarusso> WWDC?
[00:40] <fisch246> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WWDC
[00:40] <tonyyarusso> Oh.  That's boring every year - no Linux.
[00:48] <fisch246> nothing amused me more than when kiko said "what's with all this mac crap"
[03:50] <invisiblek> sorry i just had to find a minnesota channel to bitch about the twins and how they need to fire ron gardenhire
[03:51] <invisiblek> i think i used to hang here a little before, ive long since become a gentoo follower personally though
[03:52] <invisiblek> i have yet to try out unity, it wont run on my headless virtualbox machine :(
[03:55] <fisch246> that's because virtualbox doesn't support unity
[03:55] <fisch246> might as well just make a second partition and try it on there
[03:55] <invisiblek> i read it does if you can enable 3d acceleration
[03:56] <invisiblek> which i cannot on the headless server
[03:56] <fisch246> it runs unity... but it hardly works
[03:56] <invisiblek> oh
[03:56] <fisch246> but Unity 3D is nice
[03:56] <invisiblek> ive been considering dumping win7 on my htpc, maybe ill have to try 11.04 on it
[03:56] <fisch246> better than Gnome 3 imo
[03:56] <invisiblek> i havent used gnome 3, ive always been a kde guy
[03:57] <fisch246> i would say you might first want to try 10.04 first
[03:57] <fisch246> if you're not used to the newer features of Ubuntu
[03:57] <fisch246> well there is Kubuntu
[03:57] <invisiblek> meh, i wont need much for features anyway, xbmc and chrome is all id need
[03:57] <fisch246> haha
[03:57] <invisiblek> but id like to play with unity some, i hear good things about it
[03:58] <fisch246> then i still suggest 10.04
[03:58] <fisch246> Unity has flaws, but if you get it to work it's quite amazing :)
[03:58] <invisiblek> i think i tried putting 10.04 on there last time, at the time nvidia drivers still didnt have audio over hdmi, wonder if they do now...
[03:58] <invisiblek> thats the biggest reason taht thing still runs win7
[03:59] <fisch246> well if i don't have standard hardware, i would suggest just using Arch or Gentoo
[03:59] <fisch246> s/i/you
[03:59] <invisiblek> its pretty standard, its an nvidia chipset board with onboard hdmi
[04:00] <fisch246> didn't know hdmi was standard >.>
[04:00] <fisch246> never used HDMI myself
[04:01] <invisiblek> i use it wherever i can
[09:01] <fisch246> wow... if you ever want something to be found on the net... apparently tying it into stumbleupon REALLY gets you traffic...
[09:21] <mysteriousdarren> fisch246: did u start a website or blog  and see a spike?
[21:01] <BlackRat90> Hey, anyone here know if a AM3 Processor will work in a AM2+ socket?
[21:45] <Takyoji> Doesn't seem like it would
[21:45] <Takyoji> actually: "AM3 processors work on AM2+ motherboards due to the presence of both the DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller " Source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Socket_AM2%2B
[21:46]  * Takyoji pokes BlackRat90, as he forgot to mention the name prior.
[22:53] <invisiblek> yea am3 chip will work on am2+ board (NOT am2 board though)
[22:53] <invisiblek> but am2+ chips will NOT work on am3 boards i think was the caveat
[23:00] <BlackRat90> awesome is there any downgrade in the power using a am3 on a am2+
[23:02] <invisiblek> i dont think so, iirc am2+ cpus used more power than am3 (but i may be wront about that)
[23:02] <invisiblek> wrong*
[23:03] <BlackRat90> I have seen some that look better then AM3
[23:03] <BlackRat90> But AM3 are easier to find... and perhaps cheaper
[23:04] <invisiblek> id go am3 over am2+ any day, i think they have faster bus speeds, support for ddr3, probably more cache
[23:09] <BlackRat90> my motherboard holds DDr2 though, unless ddr3 and drr2 and interchangble
[23:10] <BlackRat90> but the quad core am3 are hellas cheaper
[23:13] <BlackRat90> Well I got you, which works better AMD or intel?
[23:13] <Takyoji> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/nintendo3ds


[02:35] <Cubey> Greetings
[02:37] <Cubey> Is anyone familiar with this bug on eeepc netbooks with 17.10? This comes up on login.  Thank you very much.
[02:49] <krytarik> Alright.
[11:57] <ubuntufaulty> I am having problem downloading ubuntu iso from ubuntu website
[11:57] <ubuntufaulty> I can't join #ubuntu channel
[12:00] <ubuntufaulty> it mention; download was interrupted
[12:00] <ubuntufaulty> I tried resuming.
[12:00] <ubuntufaulty> still download interrupted
[12:39] <Albert> hola
[12:40] <Albert> estoy intentando instalar lubuntu pero me da problemas
[12:40] <Albert> alguien sabe ayudar?
[12:41] <Albert> somebody to help me installing lubuntu?
[12:46] <cristian_c> Albert: ok, but for spanish language there is #ubuntu-es
[12:47] <cristian_c> anyway, describe your problem here, so anyone could answer you
[16:28] <ciemas> hello every body
[16:32] <ciemas> is there any 1 living?
[16:32] <ciemas> hello again
[16:32] <krytarik> ciemas: Do you have a support question?
[16:32] <ciemas> yes please
[16:32] <ciemas> if be so kinf
[16:33] <krytarik> Then just ask it.
[16:33] <ciemas> so sorry, last time i use irc over 20 years ago
[16:33] <ciemas> ok .
[16:34] <ciemas> have lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[16:35] <ciemas> to connection: 1'st to internet via  wifi wlp16s0 interface
[16:35] <ciemas> and second via inet enp0s25 to local NAS server
[16:37] <ciemas> so when i plug the ether cable to socket wi-fi interface is going down
[16:37] <ciemas> automaticly
[16:37] <ciemas> i don't know why
[16:37] <ciemas> cause on another laptopo i have
[16:38] <ciemas> i can handle both connection
[16:39] <ciemas> at the same time
[16:41] <ciemas> any sugestion?
[16:43] <krytarik> Not particularly myself, but stick around so others might help.
[16:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> then you plug  ether cable  system automaticaly set gateway to new connection
[16:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> put on NAS to one net with wi-fi
[16:46] <ciemas> Jon thx but it's not my point as wifi is really slow comparing to lan
[16:47] <ciemas> here is routing table from my second laptop wich doesn't put wifi down
[16:47] <ciemas> ciemas@wrona:~$ route
[16:47] <ciemas> Kernel IP routing table
[16:47] <ciemas> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[16:47] <ciemas> default         netiaspot.home  <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    600    0        0 wlp4s0
[16:47] <ciemas> <IP_ADDRESS>     *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     600    0        0 wlp4s0
[16:47] <JohnDoe_71Rus> then google how to manage 2 connections
[16:48] <ciemas> Jon I prefer duck... then google
[16:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it does not matter, though the bing
[16:52] <ciemas> returnig to subject, I suspect something is trigering "hardware swicht" makeing wlp4s0 down while connecting cable to enp5s0 but can't find it
[16:55] <ciemas> here is dmesg
[16:55] <ciemas> [ 2053.801709] e1000e: enp0s25 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx
[16:55] <ciemas> [ 2053.801890] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): enp0s25: link becomes ready
[16:55] <ciemas> [ 2054.420520] iwl4965 0000:10:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
[16:55] <ciemas> [ 2054.420613] wlp16s0: deauthenticating from 00:12:2a:83:d1:f8 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
[16:55] <ciemas> [ 2054.423655] iwl4965 0000:10:00.0: Not sending command - RF KILL
[16:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus>  file /etc/network/interfacer some like iface eth0 inet auto
[16:55] <krytarik> !paste | ciemas
[16:57] <ciemas> kry: sorry, did I done something wrong ?
[16:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you need to solve the problem, the second connection changes the gateway to your own. It is necessary to leave the old
[16:58] <ciemas> i don't know how to find the case of: [ 2054.420520] iwl4965 0000:10:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio.
[17:05] <ciemas> John: ok I understan but don't know how to find what is trigering RF_KILL bit or how to disable sesitivity for trigering RF_KILL bit
[17:07] <ciemas> especialy that the on second my laptop I have both connection opend
[17:15] <ciemas> hello, i'm  looking for any lubuntu gooru who can help with wi-fi interface
[17:17] <krytarik> ciemas: If you don't get enough help here, you can try in the main #ubuntu channel as well - but you'll have to register a nick to join there.
[17:24] <ciemas> Kry: thx a lot can U help me how to register nick in #ubuntu?
[17:24] <krytarik> !register
[17:24] <ciemas> i used irc over 20 y ago
[17:24] <ciemas> ok thx again
[17:24] <krytarik> Sure.
[20:07] <WubWub> So, I'm downloading Lubuntu to install onto my pc. Any help from there without a disc drive?
[20:12] <WubWub> wml? Can you help?
[20:12] <tsimonq2> WubWub: Try #ubuntu :)
[20:13] <WubWub> @tsimonq2 Why?
[23:37] <ygor> Hello guys. Anyone can help? I am using a laptop with no hdd, and using lubuntu on a flashdisk. Trying to use gParted but keeps scanning all devices 4ever..any clues? No floppy issues on bios