[17:24] <DarkTan> tho*
[17:24] <shadowhywind> is it safe to delete everything in the /tmp folder?
[17:25] <Agent_bob> exapmle; (+net) sudo apt-get -d install kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.6.24-19-generic ;cp /var/cache/apt/archives/* /mnt/usbstick     (-net)  sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usbstick ;sudo dpkg -i /mnt/usbstick/*
[17:25] <Agent_bob> using (net)  to indicate which box the command is on.
[17:26] <Agent_bob> and using a usb stick to transfer the files
[17:26] <Agent_bob> anyway you can get the gest from that.
[17:27] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind sure.  if you are about to reboot
[17:27] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind tmp "should" be cleaned each boot time anyway.
[17:27] <shadowhywind> Agent_bob i just found that online, hehe
[17:28] <shadowhywind> I am doing a backup of my entire system.. I will remove tmp from that backup since it looks like it doesn't matter.. hehe
[17:28] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind use a switch to exclude  /dev /proc /sys /tmp
[17:29] <Agent_bob> backup all the rest.
[17:29] <mizipzor_> could someone in here give me the pastebin link i posted a few minutes ago? lost it when i switched client :p
[17:29] <shadowhywind> \those 4 will be recreated on startup?
[17:29] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind three of those four are in ram.
[17:29] <Agent_bob> mizipzor_ same nick ?
[17:30] <shadowhywind> oh hehe
[17:30] <Agent_bob> http://pastebin.com/f7e51d7e8
[17:30] <mizipzor_> Agent_bob: except underscore, yea
[17:31] <Agent_bob> yeah i dropped the underscore and found it.
[17:31] <Agent_bob>             ^
[17:31] <shadowhywind> and Agent_bob any ideas on why i am getting bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing. errors when i try to un tar some of my backup files?
[17:32] <Agent_bob> mizipzor_   heh.   grep mizipzor IrcLog | grep http         maybe you should log your irc client  :)
[17:32] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind cause they are gzip rather than bzip2 format ?
[17:33] <Agent_bob> try -z rather than -j  on them
[17:33] <shadowhywind> using sudo tar -cvjf ../disk/backup4.tar.bz2 <folderto tar> to tar.. and using sudo tar -xvjf backup4.tar.bz2   to untar
[17:34] <Agent_bob> or actually   you might try    tar -xf     it should decompress automagicly nowadays
[17:35] <shadowhywind> k, will give that a try and see what happens
[17:35]  * Agent_bob seldom ever uses -v on a tarball     no error means no error in linux...
[17:37] <Agent_bob> shadowhywind another tool you could use on that is    file backup4.tar.bz2      should tell you what compression it used.
[17:37] <Agent_bob> file is as handy as a pocket on a shirt
[17:37] <shadowhywind> hehe
[17:37] <mmm> hi all
[17:37] <shadowhywind> I will give that a shot on the next backup file, hehe
[17:38] <mizipzor_> Agent_bob: my client wasnt on at the time, hence the problem :)
[17:38] <Agent_bob> mizipzor_ problem solved.  happy camper.
[17:38] <kun-10> hi
[17:38] <jonathan_> hello!
[17:38] <mizipzor_> Agent_bob: thanks :)
[17:38] <ville88> anyone know a good program to record the desktop?
[17:38] <kun-10> i need help
[17:39] <jonathan_> i wan't to use a absolute path to a samba network pc in windows
[17:39] <jonathan_> just entering smb://workingplace/BOOT (C) don't work
[17:39] <jonathan_> what can i do to do this?
[17:39] <kun-10> Sound disappeared!!
[17:39] <kun-10>  smb://workingplace/BOOT
[17:40] <Agent_bob> does smp now insert the third / like it should, or do you still need   smb:///blahblahblah
[17:40] <kun-10> anyone can help me
[17:41] <jonathan_> hm it don't work
[17:41] <Agent_bob> !sound | kun-10 if the wiki can't i probably can't
[17:41] <kun-10> i have Kubuntu
[17:42] <mmm> How can i append automatically a pasword to the recovery kernel options?
[17:42] <mmm> in grub
[17:42] <mmm> menu.lst
[17:42] <Agent_bob> mmm does the grub howto cover that ?  i havent looked
[17:42] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer
[17:42] <Agent_bob> !grub
[17:42] <kun-10> ?
[17:43] <mmm> imho it isn't tells about this but i check
[17:43] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer
[17:43] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer?
[17:44] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer to fix the problme?
[17:44] <mmm> yeah, it isn't tells about that
[17:44] <Agent_bob> mmm well i use lilo cause grub is too weak for my system, so i can't really help with that.  i know some of the basics of grub  but that's about it.    sorry.
[17:44] <mmm> okay, thanks
[17:44] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer to fix the problme?
[17:44] <Agent_bob> maybe someone else. can
[17:45] <Agent_bob> kun-10 i'm not going to.  so the question can i is moot.    go to the page and follow it...  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[17:45] <kun-10> i go
[17:46] <kun-10> i do it
[17:46] <Agent_bob> it that doesn't get you there.   maybe someone else will step up to help in here.
[17:46] <kun-10> plz
[17:46] <Agent_bob> s/it/if/
[17:46] <kun-10> enter to my computer
[17:47] <KarlaJ> Hello! I am trying to install KUBUNTU, however, when clicking "install" the resolution gets HUGE, enormous and I cant see where to click.. Each letter is larger then half the screen
[17:47] <jonathan_> hm i still don't know how to access a samba-connected windows pc via a path in the konsole... :(
[17:47] <kun-10> agent_bob
[17:47] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer
[17:48] <Agent_bob> KarlaJ does the screen scroll when you move the mouse to the edges ?
[17:49] <KarlaJ> No , i tried that, didnt work
[17:49] <KarlaJ> Tried to resize, didnt work either
[17:49] <kun-10> can you enter to my computer
[17:49] <kun-10> i will install fedroa 9
[17:49] <kun-10> good luck
[17:49] <Agent_bob> k,  i had a thought,  but you shot it down before it left the ground
[17:50] <kuru> listo funciono muchas gracias.....
[17:50] <KarlaJ> :(
[17:50] <KarlaJ> Noone of you ever had that problem?
[17:51] <Agent_bob> KarlaJ i have never seen anything like that. so don't know what to tell you.   if you have the bandwidth for it.  the "alternate install" iso should let you install with the old text style installer.
[17:51] <Agent_bob> !install
[17:51] <KarlaJ> Agent_bob; Ok, is it on kubuntu/ubuntus webpage? I am new with linux
[17:51] <KarlaJ> Ok thanks
[17:51] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[18:23] <vilhelm> he jag har ett problem .. när jag går in i media-dolphin hittar jag inga enheter
[18:24] <vilhelm> oops sry
[18:24] <vilhelm> wrong channel
[18:24] <vilhelm> i have problem when i go into media dolphin i cant find any thing
[18:25] <vilhelm> cant find my disks
[18:27] <Agent_bob> not in disks group ?
[18:27] <sigma_za> finally... a qt firefox
[18:28] <untiled> you put /media or system:/media/  ??
[18:28] <vilhelm> Agent -bob nope
[18:29] <Agent_bob> untiled what happens when you put   media:/   in the location bar of dolphin ?
[18:29] <untiled> not media: but system:/media/
[18:30] <untiled> it show your psichical disk (partition, pen disk, floppy)
[18:30] <mn> i sudo apt-get installed firefox3 in kubuntu. how can i run it without typing exec firefox in konsole?
[18:31] <Agent_bob> vilhelm    koncole command    mount    #will show what is mounted and where.   or  df -h        and  sudo fdisk -l   # will list hdd partitions   as will   cat /proc/partitions
[18:31] <untiled> mn you can't find on k menu>internet?
[18:31] <Agent_bob> untiled that assumes that your user can access them   no?
[18:32] <mn> untitled, where? (i just got kubuntu today)
[18:32] <untiled> agent_bob yes, i can see it
[18:33] <Agent_bob> mn  kmenu > internet > firefox
[18:33] <anjos> opa algum Brasil ai?
[18:33] <mn> im in KDE 4. on my menu all i have is favorites, applications, computer, recently used, and leave
[18:33] <Agent_bob> !pt
[18:34] <Agent_bob> mn  hmmm   kde4 channel is   #kubuntu-kde4
[18:34] <mn> ... ok
[18:34] <anjos> obrigado
[18:36] <untiled> what mean "/bin/sh is needed by VMware-server-1.0.6-91891.i386"? i esc when i try to install vmware via rpm
[18:37] <mn> if i apt-get ubuntu-desktop, how can i switch between kde and gnome?
[18:38] <untiled> mn on log in screen there is a menu in wich you can choose desktop
[18:38] <mn> mk thx
[18:39] <Agent_bob> untiled rpm ?    rpm is redhat package manager
[18:40] <Agent_bob> ubuntu is a debian dirivative and uses   dpkg = the Debian PacKage Manager
[18:40] <untiled> agent_bob sudo apt-get install rpm and you can use it, is in official repository
[18:41] <untiled> i can istall software from deb and rpm
[18:41] <Agent_bob> but it obviously breaks things.   /bin/sh is a symlink to either /bin/dash or /bin/bash
[18:42] <Agent_bob> or a custom shell if manually set up
[18:42] <brad__> anyone know how I can allow other boxes to redirect though ssh connections that are comming in ?
[18:42] <untiled> agent_bob: so i have to dowload tar.gz (sources) or i can use rpm?
[18:43] <Agent_bob> brad__ redirrect ?    routing table stuff ?
[18:43] <brad__> no ssh -R
[18:43] <Agent_bob> !VMware-server
[18:43] <Agent_bob> !vmware
[18:44] <brad__> from my other location I issue a ssh -R 515:printer:515, I can access it, but no no else on my lan can
[18:44] <Agent_bob> brad__ i don't know.      someone else may.
[18:45] <Cannoli> !flash
[18:45] <untiled> ubottu: ok, i'll try it, thank you
[18:46] <untiled> ah, i'ts a bot xD
[18:46] <starenka> Hi been connected to my other kubuntu mashine via ssh and accidentaly run "sudo kate file". After restarting the comp i got KDE error saying smthng about not having write permissions to ~/.ICEauthority file. i Changed the owner to user and chmoded it to 777 via safe konsole, but i cant get kde working.. it just hangs with wallpaper and does nothing. any clues?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> uh... starenka
[18:46] <ForgeAus> you need to change the user not just the perms
[18:46] <ForgeAus> or delete the file completely
[18:47] <Agent_bob> starenka own your home
[18:47] <ForgeAus> so chown
[18:47] <starenka> i did both
[18:47] <starenka> it's set to starenka and it is 777
[18:47] <starenka> it's safe to delete?
[18:47] <Agent_bob> starenka own your home.     sudo chown -R $HOME
[18:47] <ForgeAus> but I found deleting the file completely to be difficult
[18:47] <Agent_bob> and yes it's safe to delete it
[18:47] <ForgeAus> really? I had that problem all I needed to do was set it to my user in the end
[18:48] <ForgeAus> agentbob how to delete it when you have no permissions to use it?
[18:48] <starenka> delete as root?
[18:48] <ForgeAus> no way to log in
[18:48] <ForgeAus> starenka that didn't even work for me when I tried
[18:48] <ForgeAus> but good luck, it might for you
[18:49] <ForgeAus> (was like it had my disk open in readonly)
[18:49] <starenka> ok so i have to chown ~ and it will be okay
[18:49] <starenka> neat
[18:49] <Agent_bob> or    rm users/home/dir/.*auth*
[18:49] <ForgeAus> thats what it was in my case Starenka ..
[18:49] <Agent_bob> and you can log in to a console.
[18:50] <starenka> yep
[18:50] <Agent_bob> alt+ctrl+f1  login and do what needs done.    exit and alt+f7
[18:50] <starenka> i wasn't but after chowning and 777ing i can at least resart x and get to console
[18:50] <Agent_bob> using xorg to get to a console    pfft !
[18:51] <Agent_bob> xorg runs in a console.      you have the tail wagging the dog
[18:51] <Agent_bob> tty7 by default
[18:52] <starenka> yeye.. i'm a n00b, but i get to the "finish" my way :))
[18:52] <vilhelm> Agen_bob now i can find my disks but when i enter my NTFS disk it says something like the systempolicy cant allow mounting intern devices
[18:52] <Agent_bob> !ntfs | vilhelm
[18:54] <starenka> so i did 'sudo chown -R starenka:starenka /home/starenka'
[18:54] <starenka> hope it helps
[18:54] <starenka> :))
[18:54] <starenka> fok it's the same thing
[18:54] <starenka> a cursos and blank screen :(
[18:54] <starenka> *cursor
[18:54] <ForgeAus> blank screen?
[18:54] <starenka> nope
[18:54] <ForgeAus> no message about .ICEauthority?
[18:55] <starenka> no some color (blue) and no message
[18:55] <Agent_bob> "there's a pretty sizable knowledge base of writen information on the interweb,  i just always seem to be asking the wrong questions..." -- _2
[18:55] <ForgeAus> and no kde? :(
[18:55] <starenka> oo
[18:56] <starenka> now after a while something pops up
[18:56] <starenka> seems like it can't connect to dcop server
[18:56] <ForgeAus> hehe agentbob I know that dilemma
[18:56] <ForgeAus> all too well
[18:56] <ForgeAus> starenka uh I don't know anything about how to fix that one
[18:56] <starenka> darn
[18:57] <ForgeAus> I also tend to come away from reading a manpage more confused than when I started...
[18:57] <starenka> hehe so true
[18:57] <ForgeAus> (by the time I get to what I'm looking for I've usually forgotten what it is anyway!)
[18:58] <starenka> any clues?
[18:58] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus i resemble that remark
[18:59] <ForgeAus> like I always say (the Aus part of my nick is to signify Australia so pretend it isn't there for now) a t on the end of my nickname suits me way better than an ry ever could :)
[19:00] <Agent_bob> starenka  maybe    rm users/home/dir/.*auth*
[19:00] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus :)
[19:02] <starenka> Agent_bob: thanx... but removing the .ICE authority files seemed to help. well i've seen a piece of kde and compiz splash starting and then the screen turned black
[19:02] <starenka> Agent_bob: ok will try your one as well
[19:03] <Agent_bob> starenka heh.   :)
[19:04] <Agent_bob> starenka not very familear with wildcards eh ?
[19:04]  * Dark`Star sta ascoltando Corporation Pull In di Terrorizer tratta da World Downfall. (3:05)
[19:04] <starenka> Agent_bob: yes i'm but i thought it was just those 3 files so i did it "manully". nevermind... the black screen continues
[19:05] <Agent_bob> starenka what file did you edit as root ?
[19:05] <Agent_bob> maybe you messed on that file ?
[19:05] <starenka> welcome message to proftpd
[19:05] <Agent_bob> or messed up   even
[19:06] <starenka> '/home/ftp/welcome.msg'
[19:06] <Agent_bob> hmm that should not have affected the DE
[19:06] <starenka> yep
[19:07] <Agent_bob> you must have broken something else.    check your xorg logs
[19:07] <Agent_bob> maybe it was a kernel update that you forgot about
[19:07] <Agent_bob> or something along that line
[19:07] <starenka> nope... i have ...19 for ages
[19:08] <starenka> well, all i changed today was proftpd cnfig file and the welcome msg
[19:08] <Agent_bob> check   ~/.xserver-errors    /var/log/Xorg*
[19:08] <starenka> any clue on what to grep for?
[19:08] <Agent_bob> 19 ?
[19:08] <Agent_bob> yes   grep  EE
[19:09] <starenka> yep... i don' remember the numbers the last number after last hyphen is 19
[19:09] <Agent_bob> ls /boot    or  ls /lib/modules    will show the installed kernels
[19:10] <starenka> i dont have xserver-errors... does xserver-sessions suit?
[19:10] <Agent_bob> uname -r will show the running kernel
[19:10] <Agent_bob> ~/.xserver-errors
[19:10] <Agent_bob> ?
[19:10] <starenka> 2.6.24-19
[19:10] <starenka> :))
[19:10] <starenka> oo
[19:10] <Agent_bob> ~/.xserve*
[19:10] <starenka> hidden file
[19:10] <starenka> sorry
[19:11] <starenka> no i dont have this file
[19:11] <Agent_bob> ok.   well check the xorg log in var
[19:11] <Agent_bob> if you don't have that ...   "huston we have a problem!"
[19:12] <starenka> hehe
[19:12] <starenka> well
[19:14] <starenka> which one i should look in? i got Xorg.0|9|10.log
[19:14] <Agent_bob> all    0 first
[19:15] <starenka> "EE" does grep only one line and it seems like a header
[19:16] <starenka> (WW) warning, (EE) error ....
[19:17] <starenka> ohkay
[19:17] <starenka> i got something in 0.old
[19:17] <Agent_bob> grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.* | grep -v '(WW)'
[19:17] <Agent_bob> that would skip the info on (??) messages
[19:17] <starenka> fglrx(0): [drm] failed to remove drm signal
[19:18] <starenka> holdon
[19:18] <Agent_bob> !drm
[19:19] <starenka> yep it seems to have problem with display driver
[19:20] <starenka> will try to reinstall the ati proprietary dirver, maybe it will fix that
[19:20] <starenka> but i dont get how i get this error
[19:21] <Agent_bob> "drm == digital restrictions management   imposed upon the masses by the greed of a few."
[19:21] <Agent_bob> starenka may i sujest.
[19:21] <starenka> hehe
[19:21] <starenka> funny
[19:21] <Agent_bob> 1. make a new account.    2. login to that account.    3. report whether that works or not.
[19:21] <roldyx> hello.. when I press ctrl-alt-f1 I obtain black screen.. why??
[19:22] <roldyx> I need use console
[19:22] <Agent_bob> this will test whether it is in fact the issue you have found or if there is something still "hosed" in your home dir.
[19:22] <HomeUbuntuUser> anyone know is the "Creative Live Cam Video IM Pro", Vendor=041e ProdID=4055, still unsupported by (KUbuntu)linux?
[19:22] <starenka> Agent_bob: ok, how i do this on konsole (</shame>)
[19:23] <Agent_bob> roldyx sounds like your vidio driver is not releasing vga=text=normal  mode
[19:23] <roldyx> Agent_bob: how do i repair it?
[19:23] <Agent_bob> starenka sudo adduser name_here
[19:23] <starenka> Agent_bob: useradd
[19:23] <starenka> shit too late :))
[19:24] <Agent_bob> starenka use the python script.  it's easier on you.     adduser
[19:24] <Agent_bob> !nv | roldyx install the proprietary driver maybe
[19:25] <Agent_bob> roldyx only time i ever had that issue was using vesa driver with ati card
[19:25] <roldyx> Agent_bob: I am using propietary driver
[19:25] <starenka> Agent_bob: yep nre user is ok
[19:25] <paolo> I want to make a fresh kubuntu install with kde4.1. Using 8.04 spin CD is enough?
[19:25] <roldyx> with nv driver work perceftly
[19:26] <starenka> *new
[19:26] <roldyx> now I am using nvidia
[19:26] <starenka> Agent_bob: any clue how to get to know whats wrong w/ the original account?
[19:27] <Agent_bob> it couldn't handle switiching to/from text mode roldyx,  if that's not the issue there.  idk.    eitherr way.  use or don't use propiretary   one of them should fix it.
[19:28] <Agent_bob> starenka i would copy out anything you have saved there and clean house.  but there are other ways.    you could  rm most of the ~/.?*    stuff.   and even   .kde  but you lose settings that way.   still it would probably clear up the issue.       you did   sudo chown $USER -R $HOME    didn't you ?
[19:29] <Agent_bob> didn't you ?
[19:29] <Agent_bob> you did, did you not ?
[19:30] <Agent_bob> say you did...
[19:30] <Agent_bob> i think we lost him...   ;/
[19:30] <starenka> Agent_bob: yep well i did 'sudo chown starenka ~'
[19:31] <starenka> it should stay for the same, isnt it?
[19:31] <Agent_bob> starenka that was as the user "starenka"  ?
[19:31] <starenka> yes
[19:31] <Agent_bob> yeah.   no.   -R
[19:31] <Agent_bob> has to have -R
[19:31] <starenka> yes i did
[19:31] <Agent_bob> ok
[19:31] <starenka> is just forget to write
[19:31] <starenka> ;)
[19:32] <Agent_bob> i like using the variables because they will always expand correctly.    "or should always"
[19:33] <Agent_bob> sudo chown $USER -R $HOME
[19:33] <starenka> i got it
[19:33] <starenka> ok well i dont store anything in ~, but i don't wanna loose all my kde setting - taht was the point :))
[19:33] <ForgeAus> starenka do an ls -al on the file
[19:33] <ForgeAus> ie ls -al .ICE*
[19:34] <ForgeAus> it will tell you there what the perms and owner is
[19:34] <starenka> i;ve deleted those
[19:34] <starenka> but before it was owned by root
[19:34] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus it's not ICEauth anymore. it's now dcop
[19:34] <starenka> and it wos readonlu to root
[19:34] <chrisinajar> hi there, so i did apt-get install libqt4-debug, then ran gdb with an application linked to qt4, and it didn't load the debug symbols...
[19:34] <starenka> then i changed it to starenka:statrenka and 777
[19:35] <chrisinajar> i asked in #qt, and they said to come here to ask how to make it work...
[19:35] <ForgeAus> interesting christinajar, I'm not sure why here is where they sent you!
[19:35] <starenka> okay thanx for help. gotta go now... will just use the other usser account and try to merge the config files somegow
[19:36] <starenka> *somehow
[19:36] <starenka> bye
[19:36] <ForgeAus> good luck starenka
[19:36] <Agent_bob> chrisinajar i'm going to venture a guess here.    start the qt app with --debug  switch applied maybe ?
[19:36] <oomph_work> which kubunut should i download? remix?
[19:36] <chrisinajar> I'm anylizing a core file
[19:36] <ForgeAus> oomph sure :) if you want kde4.1
[19:37] <oomph_work> what would you suggest?
[19:37] <Agent_bob> oomph_work kinda depends on what you want from the disk
[19:37] <ForgeAus> (I think the currend default - non -remix - is still kde3.5.9)
[19:37] <oomph_work> i want compiz
[19:37] <oomph_work> thats about it
[19:37] <mn> im on the remix. i like it
[19:38] <ForgeAus> well no point in kde4 if you want compiz
[19:38] <ForgeAus> well maybe I shaould have said it as: you don't need compiz with kde4
[19:38] <Agent_bob> oomph_work then i would sujest the normal
[19:38] <oomph_work> oh
[19:38] <ForgeAus> you can use it that way if you want... but I don't recommend doing so
[19:38] <oomph_work> which is better compiz on 3.5.9 or KDE4?
[19:39] <Agent_bob> oomph_work if you want kde4 desktop effects  then the remix   that's the whole point.
[19:39] <ForgeAus> (ie compiz --replace instead of kwin --replace)
[19:39] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[19:39] <ForgeAus> uh compiz is no better or worse on kde3.5.9 as it is on kde4
[19:39] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[19:39] <ForgeAus> its just more fitting with kde3.5.9 since it doesn't have composite effects built in to kwin like kde4.x does
[19:40] <oomph_work> yeah, i just want the cube effects
[19:40] <oomph_work> and what not
[19:40] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus and that kde4 is still lacking some things.
[19:40] <ForgeAus> well cube works in either
[19:40] <ForgeAus> but you still need to replace kwin with compiz either way
[19:40] <ForgeAus> agentbob I agree
[19:41] <ForgeAus> imho kde3.5.9 is still > than kde4.x
[19:41] <Agent_bob> so if you are shooting for compiz   i reccomend kde3
[19:41] <Fieldy> strongly agree
[19:41] <ForgeAus> not that kde4 is a bad thing, its very nice in many ways..
[19:41] <ForgeAus> yes it makes more sense to go kde3 if you want compiz
[19:41] <oomph_work> which is more stable?
[19:41] <Agent_bob> if you want effects and don't care whether they are compiz or kde4   i sujest remix
[19:41] <ForgeAus> (which means non-remix)
[19:42] <ForgeAus> 3 is definitely more stable
[19:42] <oomph_work> k
[19:43] <oomph_work> thanks for the feedback
[19:43] <Agent_bob> oomph_work and ffr    pools are not reall welcome in help channels  :)
[19:43] <ForgeAus> (its a way more mature desktop kde4 is relatively new)
[19:43] <Agent_bob> polls
[19:44] <ganymede> hello, i just installed ktorrent-kde4, now how do i start it? i tried typing in ktorrent into a shell but the command was not found, and suggests to install ktorrent instead, which i assume is the kde 3 version
[19:44] <ForgeAus> ganymede there should be a menu option to run ktorrent in the kmenu
[19:44] <ForgeAus> apt installs them into there
[19:45] <ForgeAus> (I'm not personally sure what the commandline to run it is)
[19:46] <jegelie> robotgeek: hi again
[19:46] <ganymede> ForgeAus: i'm using ubuntu desktop, but i have installed ktorrent for kde4. shouldn't i still be able to access it without having installed the kde desktop?
[19:46] <Agent_bob> there used to be cute little infonodes about polling what's best.    !start_an_editor_war  !startawar   start a desktop war.... and so on.   the bot would choose some randomly picked editor or desktop or ...  and post   "emacs is better than vim"   kind of things...      the intent is to point out that "best" is not applicable in most questions.
[19:46] <ForgeAus> ganymede your using ubuntu instead of kde?... um ask in #KDE maybe they will know, you might need more of KDE4 for it to work?... I'm not sure about kde4 under gnome
[19:46] <Agent_bob> it's a matter of choice.
[19:47] <Agent_bob> i'm out for a bit.
[19:47] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus it's all yours  :)))
[19:47] <ForgeAus> lol mine? uh who said I wanted it?
[19:47] <jegelie> anyone knows how to get GRUB2 while on a LiveCD Kubuntu?
[19:48] <ForgeAus> jegelie, um apt-get install grub2 ?
[19:48] <roldyx_> I have this problem..
[19:48] <ForgeAus> sorry wait, you need a sudo first
[19:48] <roldyx_> Aug 13 13:02:20 tubarao kernel: [97737.926546] klauncher[5985]: segfault at 00000095 eip b753cee7 esp bfceb590 error 4
[19:48] <jegelie> ForgeAus: nope didn't work
[19:48] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install grub2
[19:48] <jegelie> ForgeAus: nope
[19:48] <roldyx_> kde freeze
[19:49] <ForgeAus> jegelie, yeah well it doesn't make much sense to anyway
[19:49] <ForgeAus> you want to be in your non-live cd to update grub anyway right?
[19:49] <jegelie> ForgeAus: why is that?
[19:49] <ganymede> ForgeAus: okay, thanks for the advice
[19:49] <ForgeAus> sory I couldn't help you more ganymede
[19:49] <jegelie> ForgeAus: I want to make a Firewire drive bootable with Kubuntu Hardy on my intel iMac... <shrug>
[19:49] <ForgeAus> its just that that is beyond me
[19:50] <ForgeAus> and grub doesn't have that it needs grub2?
[19:50] <ForgeAus> or that you need to install a working boot manager onto it from the live cd so that it will work?
[19:51] <jegelie> ForgeAus: robotgeek put me on the trail of grub2; it can cope with EFI bootloaders et al.
[19:51] <ForgeAus> yes EFI is part of grub2
[19:51] <ForgeAus> or available anyway
[19:51] <jegelie> ForgeAus: the standard out-of-the-box grub on the Kubuntu install didn't work
[19:52] <ForgeAus> um the #Grub2 people will know how to set up grub2, but getting it from a kubuntu liveCD to your bootable drive may not be their thing??? I don't know it might be worth an ask there anyway
[19:52] <ForgeAus> jegelie yeah I understand...
[19:52] <ForgeAus> um sorry #grub
[19:52] <ForgeAus> thats the channel for Grub/Grub2 info
[19:53] <ForgeAus> just instaling it by apt-get will try to install it as your liveCD boot manager, which isn't what you want
[19:53] <jegelie> ForgeAus: but I'm also suspecting it is the init-what's-its-name thingy that can't fire up a firewire drive... no firewire drivers in it.
[19:54] <ForgeAus> init-waht'sitsname-thingy? uh I'm not sure what your talkinga bout there
[19:54] <ForgeAus> initrd?
[19:54] <jegelie> ForgeAus: that's the one.
[19:54] <ForgeAus> thats part of the kernel it needs to boot before it gets there...
[19:54] <ganymede> ForgeAus: okay, in case you're wondering, the answer is that it wasn't in my path, i had to type out  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ktorrent (which also seems like an unlikely location)
[19:54] <ganymede> i guess some other package adds kde4's bins to the path
[19:54] <ForgeAus> ganymede fair enough...
[19:55] <ForgeAus> well normally it installs them into the kmenu you don't need to worry about the path
[19:55] <jegelie> ForgeAus: so if grub (grub1) CAN load the initrd, but that one can't go any further, I'm stuck...
[19:55] <ForgeAus> but since your not using kde then it won't do that
[19:55] <ForgeAus> (unless theres a gnome app to add a kmenu to your panel)
[19:55] <ForgeAus> (one that is dynamic... )
[19:55] <ForgeAus> I've never checked to know if such a thing exists
[19:56] <ForgeAus> (I know theres a static version of a gnome menu item for Kmenu however hehe)
[19:56] <ForgeAus> gnome-apps.org might have one if your lucky, but I can't promise because I don't know...
[19:57]  * ganymede has never ever used menu, always prefers to use alt+f2 and type in whatever i want to start, including nautilus ~
[19:57] <ForgeAus> the other option you chould have had is if you installed the rest of kde4 which you didn't want to do (to get it in the kmenu when you started with the kde desktop)
[19:57] <ForgeAus> really? well I'm not so much of a cli guru here
[19:57] <ForgeAus> I prefer gui ways where possible
[19:57] <jegelie> ForgeAus: ...(thinking out loud) but I think grub is the culprit, since I get errors about "legacy loader" and "load options 'USB'"
[19:57] <ForgeAus> btw... theres a find command if you want to find a path
[19:58] <ForgeAus> jegelie makes sense
[19:58] <ForgeAus> you still need to place grub2 somehow on the device, (you can probably just if you know what your doing use the dd command to place the mbr on the device)
[19:59] <jegelie> ForgeAus: I tried building GRUB2 from SVN repository, but somehow the gcc can't make binaries in the LiveCD
[19:59] <ForgeAus> but people in #Grub are more likely to be able to help you
[19:59] <ForgeAus> jegelie it might be because the liveCD doesn't have the headers, but again that won't help
[19:59] <ForgeAus> you don't nee to install it to the liveCD you need to install it to the device instead
[20:00] <jegelie> ForgeAus: ...but regarding building or getting an app in Kubuntu would best be asked here :)
[20:00] <ForgeAus> grub has several components, a loader which goes in the mbr (bootsectore) of the device, and the files in /boot/grub that it installs
[20:00] <jegelie> ForgeAus: yes - but in order to install it, I have to run it... And since I'm not able to build it on mac, or to boot from my Kubuntu HDD...
[20:00] <ForgeAus> jegelie normally yes... but then normally all you need to do is apt-get install it
[20:01] <ForgeAus> jegelie its a special case here
[20:01] <jegelie> ForgeAus: and there you go - I tried that, but apt-get said it wasn't there. Only another package that depends on it, but not hte thing itself...
[20:01] <ForgeAus> its not just getting and installing the app, like I said installing grub using apt-get will try to change the grub of the liveCD that your currently running, ie the CD's grub not the device you want it to go to...
[20:02] <ForgeAus> uh grub2 is in the repo's somehwere
[20:02] <ForgeAus> !grub2
[20:02] <ForgeAus> hmm..
[20:02] <ForgeAus> !info grub2
[20:02] <ForgeAus> there we go...
[20:02] <ForgeAus> so you need the universe repository enabled
[20:03] <jegelie> ForgeAus: you sense my next question?
[20:03] <jegelie> ForgeAus: how do I do that?
[20:03] <trappist> !universe
[20:04] <ForgeAus> uh you don't from where you are, you copy and install grub2 from the grub's project
[20:04] <ForgeAus> I still recommend you go to #Grub and ask there
[20:04] <ForgeAus> trappist that won't help
[20:04] <ForgeAus> it will perhaps download the grub2.deb and its dependancies...
[20:04] <ForgeAus> but its a liveCD and it makes no sense to install grub2 to a liveCD
[20:05] <jegelie> ForgeAus: no I know, but from there I can manually run grub2, and from its CLI I can do a setup to whatever device and partition I choose.
[20:06] <ForgeAus> jegelie you can try it, but I don't think it can change the grub you have (since its cdrw)
[20:06] <enaut> how can i find out what app is blocking my sound? simple konsole command will do...
[20:07] <ForgeAus> you also need a sudo apt-get update
[20:07] <ForgeAus> (after modifying your sources.list file to include the universe repo)
[20:07] <jegelie> ForgeAus: a little reading: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:07] <ForgeAus> the easier way to add universe is to run adept and change it there...
[20:07] <ForgeAus> I'm aware of that geglie
[20:07] <ForgeAus> but right now your using grub (legacy) and that isn't going to work
[20:08] <jegelie> ForgeAus: so next boot I will try that.
[20:08] <ForgeAus> and I'm not sure installing grub2 with apt-get will actually give you grub2
[20:08] <ForgeAus> no next boot from a LiveCD = same as previous boot from LiveCD
[20:08] <ForgeAus> since nothing on the CD changes
[20:08] <ForgeAus> (if any changes to grub happen at all during the LiveCD session they happen in ram)
[20:09] <jegelie> ForgeAus: I know :) but there I can try to get grub2 and do a setup on my HDD
[20:09] <jegelie> I'm now on my OS X
[20:09] <ForgeAus> hehe :) kewl
[20:09] <jegelie> ForgeAus: OS X gcc won't let me build grub2
[20:09] <ForgeAus> thats probalby why you needed EFI
[20:10] <jegelie> ForgeAus: yes it is - and believe me, it is a PITA to get it working.
[20:10] <ForgeAus> yes it would seem so
[20:10] <ForgeAus> I have no personal experience with it but it does seem to create a few, issues
[20:10] <jegelie> ForgeAus: I'm figuring it out for over four days now - at cost of precious time with my kids
[20:10] <ForgeAus> (not that it doesn't work, its just... got issues)
[20:11] <ForgeAus> jegelie, good luck...
[20:11] <jegelie> ForgeAus: Darn frustrating to read about people who got it working, but not being able to reproduce the steps over here.
[20:11] <mn> how can i set up an account for kopete?
[20:12] <ForgeAus> jegelie I'm sure it CAN work, its just not so easy to actually DO thats all
[20:12] <ForgeAus> and I'm fairly inexperienced at actually doing it... so I'm little help personally
[20:12] <jegelie> ForgeAus: it is all about how far are you willing to go through with it :)
[20:13] <ForgeAus> mn uh kde3 or 4?... theres an option to add accounts...
[20:13] <jegelie> ForgeAus: never mind, you've been very helpful. I have a new thing to try
[20:13] <mn> 4. i didnt think that would effect this though? should i go to the kubuntu kde4 channel?
[20:14] <jegelie> Well, there we go again; booting LiveCD. Bye!
[20:14] <ForgeAus> thanx :)... glad I could be of some kind of service then
[20:14] <ForgeAus> cya
[20:14] <rot> hi
[20:14] <ForgeAus> uh depends on if theres any chagnes in kde4's kopete I know it doesn't have IRC currently in kde4
[20:15] <rot> how the php5 is not working on my serever
[20:15] <ForgeAus> brb running it myself
[20:15] <ForgeAus> (the kde3 one)
[20:16] <ganymede> hello, i'm very new to ubuntu, i've just installed ktorrent-kde4 to discover that it is from kde 4.0.3. i was under the impression that ubuntu is a frequently updated distro with always the newest packages, so i was wondering if there is a simple way to install kde 4.1 with ubuntu's native package manager, not installing debs manually
[20:16] <ForgeAus> hehe on first run kopete comes up with a welcoming screen asking you to add accounts lol
[20:17] <ForgeAus> hey ganymede... um the pacakage manager is synaptic for ubuntu
[20:17] <ganymede> i haven't run into any issues with 4.0.3 yet, but i understand that it is quite outdated as kde is developing quickly, so i would like to upgrade now before i actually run into a missing feature or bug
[20:17] <ForgeAus> uh go to #kubuntu-kde4 (the title there has a link for you)
[20:17] <ForgeAus> afaik
[20:17] <mn> Lol apperantly it is different then
[20:17] <ganymede> ForgeAus: thanks again
[20:18] <ForgeAus> uh ganymede one thing tho
[20:18] <ForgeAus> I think its a download to the entire distribution of kubuntu with kde4.1 (remix)
[20:18] <ForgeAus> its not just kde4.1 itself
[20:18] <ForgeAus> that I could find anyhow
[20:18] <ForgeAus> anyway mn is there a settings menu?
[20:19] <ForgeAus> in there configure kopete, and click new
[20:19] <ForgeAus> thts how it works in kde3.5.x
[20:19] <ganymede> ForgeAus: it looks like i found a repo that has 4.1.0 packages, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main, but i'm still taking a look at it
[20:20] <ForgeAus> yup that sounds good too
[20:20] <ForgeAus> (I've seen that one myself)
[20:20] <ForgeAus> but I wasn't sure if it had kde4.1 or just still kde4.0.x
[20:20] <mn> cool, thanks ForgeAus, the configure thing worked
[20:21] <ForgeAus> mn of course it did :)...
[20:21]  * ForgeAus chuckles
[20:25] <TheMaxzilla> Can someone help me for a sec? I made a launcher, and the code is:
[20:25] <TheMaxzilla> gksudo "gnome-open %u"
[20:26] <TheMaxzilla> How would this be in Kubuntu language?
[20:26] <TheMaxzilla> kdesudo "kde-open %u"   ?
[20:26] <TheMaxzilla> no, it would be kdesu, right?
[20:31] <carib909> Problem setting up Samba please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37511/  "sudo smbpasswd -L -a your_username" does not work.
[20:34] <carib909> Anyone familiar with Samba?
[20:39] <carib909> Anybody know how to setup Samba?
[20:40] <ElectricKetchup> I can setup samba, but can't get it to do what I want
[20:40] <carib909> does the sudo smbpasswd -L -a your_username work for you?
[20:41] <carib909> Anybody got Samba working?
[20:45] <Carroarmato0> flaccid, yo
[20:46] <rot> I have prioblem
[20:46] <rot> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[20:46] <Azzco> Hi, how do I add icons to programs?
[20:46] <Carroarmato0> flaccid, still no responce to the security bug report....
[20:46] <robot_jesus> how do I associate file types with a program, alternatives ?
[20:50] <rot> #msyql
[20:51] <robot_jesus> how do I associate file types with a program, alternatives ?  -- why is it so dead in here theres 324 people
[20:51] <eloquence> i'm having issues trying to open the ntfs partition of an external usb drive
[20:51] <zabbadapp> robot_jesus: right-click on a file in dolphin file manager, select "properties", click on the small button/icon in the windows (next to "Type:") ..  a new window with "Edit file type" appear.... OR: right-click on a file and select "open with ->" ... and then "other..." .. and select an application and "Remeber app assoc for this type of file"
[20:51] <Carroarmato0> flaccid, I've set the Status of the bug as *Confirmed*, maybe that'll draw some attention. I really can't believe that this, even being a security bug, hsn't had any attention untill now.
[20:51] <eloquence> most ppl just idle in here and only speak if they have a problem
[20:52] <zabbadapp> robot_jesus: (for KDE 3.5)
[20:52] <robot_jesus> zabbadapp: I dont have dolphin, can this be done from the command line ?  I'm actually using icewm
[20:55] <eloquence> anybody know why i am unable to mount my external ntfs partition? i have an internal ntfs partition that works just fine and external fat32s which load just fine
[20:56] <Azzco> eloquence: maybe it wasn't unmounted properly?
[20:56] <zabbadapp> you want to assoc a commandline program with extensions when you tab complete? like mplayer <tab> only show .avi/.mpg/and so on ?
[20:56] <eloquence> how do i fix the problem then?
[20:56] <Carroarmato0> eloquence, I assume you're using windows on that ntfs partition....?
[20:57] <Azzco> eloquence: My friend had that problem with a internal ntfs drive. We only booted up windows to shut it down again. Maybe you could try mounting the drive in a windows system and unmount it properly there?
[20:57] <eloquence> no i am not
[20:57] <eloquence> it's an external drive
[20:57] <Azzco> eloquence: Try mounting and unmounting on a windows system.
[20:57] <eloquence> i use windows on my internal ntfs but it's been months since i was on it
[20:57] <eloquence> hmm
[20:57] <eloquence> k
[20:57] <Azzco> At least it's worth a shoot right ;)
[20:58] <eloquence> you know maybe it was from when i mounted it on a windows xp virtual machine in virtualbox
[20:58] <Carroarmato0> eloquence, yeah what Azzco said: most people get this problem because windows hasn't been shutdown properly, a bootup and clean shutdown fixes this
[20:58] <Carroarmato0> eloquence, yeah that probably caused it
[20:59] <eloquence> so should i start the vm mount it and unmount it?
[20:59] <Carroarmato0> eloquence,  yes, so far I guess the only thing that can remount it cleanly is windows in your vm
[21:00] <Azzco> eloquence: I'm not sure about the virtualbox usb (I'm guessing it's a usb drive) support but in most cases you need the usb device to run properly on the host os
[21:00] <mizipzor_> is there a kde alternative to gparted?
[21:00] <eloquence> qparted
[21:00] <Azzco> qtparted, but gparted is more stable
[21:01] <mizipzor_> im installing gparted then
[21:01] <mizipzor_> thanks
[21:05] <ForgeAus> maxzilla if your still there kdesu kdesudo they're synonymous (one is a wrapper for the other)
[21:07] <BenPa85> can someone tell me how I can make a share via console?
[21:07] <BenPa85> because the graphical interface of kde4 doesn't work atm ...
[21:08] <Azzco> Make a share?
[21:08] <BenPa85> network share
[21:08] <BenPa85> sry
[21:09] <BenPa85> I want to enable a windows pc to access a folder on my kubuntu notebook
[21:09] <BenPa85> but the ui for network shares doesn't work ..
[21:09] <ForgeAus> samba share
[21:09]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[21:10] <BenPa85> k, is samba a special program, or is it installed by default?
[21:10] <yuri_> ahh prefiro rock
[21:10] <ForgeAus> no
[21:10] <ForgeAus> samba is windows' sharing protocol essentially
[21:10] <BenPa85> ah ok thanks :)
[21:10] <ForgeAus> the ui controls samba
[21:11] <ForgeAus> (so if you don't have samba-common it won't work)
[21:11] <BenPa85> so, first thing is to check if samba is installed ^^
[21:12] <ForgeAus> its mostly just a text file in /etc somewhere from memory, a pain to do manually
[21:12] <ForgeAus> aye
[21:12] <BenPa85> k samba-common is installed
[21:12] <ForgeAus> I think it might even be a dependancy of the distro these days not entirely sure
[21:12] <ForgeAus> ok...
[21:12] <BenPa85> i've found a post were it's described as bug ...
[21:13] <ForgeAus> well then I'm not sure I can help you since I don't know about how kde4 and samba relate, i havn't even used kde3's stuff for samba but I'd gather that at least works
[21:13] <BenPa85> ok, can you tell me how I can enable the share from terminal?
[21:13] <BenPa85> ah ok, thx :)
[21:13] <ForgeAus> unfortunately no
[21:13] <ForgeAus> but
[21:14] <ForgeAus> if samba has a manpage ???
[21:14] <BenPa85> ok I'll check this :)
[21:14] <BenPa85> thank you
[21:14] <ForgeAus> I know you use smb:/ in konqi :)
[21:14] <BenPa85> ..
[21:15] <BenPa85> :)
[21:15] <HighHo> !samba | BenPa85
[21:16] <BenPa85> ah ok, thank you
[21:16] <HighHo> Might help, havent checked personally :)
[21:16] <BenPa85> will use the time to read those infos :)
[21:16] <BenPa85> thank you ...
[21:17] <ForgeAus> hmmm maybe it was a samba-server package instead of samba-common?... I just thought of that!
[21:18] <ForgeAus> samba-common is probably installed so you can connect to samba shares not serve them! lol
[21:18] <HighHo> he's gone
[21:18] <ForgeAus> anyway, the sites from ubottu should tell him
[21:19] <ForgeAus> (I know HighHo
[21:19] <ForgeAus> I was speaking... rhetorically as it were...
[21:19] <HighHo> :)
[21:19] <ForgeAus> theres an element of irony when something comes to mind just after it would have been useful don't you think?
[21:22] <HighHo> sure he will be back if ensure, but i would think the samba-server package might be installed as a dep anyway (or part of a meta package)
[21:22] <HighHo> *unsure
[21:25]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[21:26] <ForgeAus> I know doing it manually with the config file (in /etc/ somewhere) is a pain
[21:33] <lucas_> hola
[21:35] <chalcedony> Guest40611: hi
[21:54] <george__> hello i just installed kubuntu 8.04 x64 with kde4 im having problems setting up my network connection
[21:55] <george__> when i try to set up my connection manually i get the error kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_knetworkconfmodule'
[22:13] <jeb__> hi
[22:14] <jeb__> i got some problems with adept_manager
[22:14] <jeb__> (or apt)
[22:14] <jeb__> adept crashed during the install of sun-java6-plugin
[22:14] <jeb__> now I can't install it any more
[22:14] <jeb__> cause an error occours always
[22:14] <DreadKnight> jeb__: fire konsole; sudo apt-get install -f
[22:15] <jeb__> doesn't work
[22:15] <DreadKnight> hmm
[22:15] <jeb__> öh..
[22:15] <jeb__> oh
[22:15] <jeb__> I ran apt with sudo apt-get install -f sun-java6-plugin
[22:15] <jeb__> but without the package it seems to work...
[22:16] <DreadKnight> xD
[22:16] <jeb__> hej great
[22:16] <jeb__> thx alot
[22:17] <DreadKnight> :)
[22:18] <ForgeAus> does anyone know anything about freevo?
[22:22] <isra> einen wunderschönen öhm kann mir einer sgaen welche pakete ich installieren muss dasmit ich alle widgets unter kde4 bekomme hab schon bei googel nachgesehen aber da find ich nix
[22:23] <mefisto__> !de | isra
[22:23] <isra> sry
[22:24] <mefisto__> no problem
[22:34] <Nutzebahn> Hello. Could someone recommend a good alternative to C++ Builder which has a form designer?
[22:35] <Serega__> Nutzebahn: qt-designer
[22:35] <Serega__> but it is far from the Builder
[22:36] <Serega__> qt-designer + kdevelop
[22:36] <Serega__> maybe
[22:36] <Serega__> sorry, have to go
[22:47] <lintaba> hy
[23:00] <Walzmyn> What does kubuntu use for a firewall - or how do i fiddle with the firewall?
[23:04] <HighHo> !firewall | Walzmyn
[23:05] <Walzmyn> thank you HighHo
[23:05] <HighHo> Walzmyn: Your welcome :)
[23:28] <robot_jesus> how do I copy something to the clipbboard from the command line
[23:31] <phi> hi
[23:31] <ubuntu> hi
[23:38] <muuselt> Does Kubuntu use KDE4 now
[23:38] <muuselt> I got mine awhile ago


[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Heyo
[21:30] <sgmoore[m]> More snaps done/fixed. https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kde-gear-snaps-fixes-and-new-releases/