[09:35] <bdrung> asac: it needs some more error handling, help messages and a manpage
[09:38] <e-jat> asac: did chromium support pdf viewer for the time being?
[09:41] <asac> e-jat: why not just try ;)
[09:42] <e-jat> asac: i have try .. but nothing appear :)
[09:42] <e-jat> using it right now ..
[09:42] <e-jat> ive try it for slideshare.net
[09:42] <asac> i guess not. you probably would need to enable plugins
[09:42] <e-jat> asac: owh .. ok ..
[09:42] <e-jat> so i need to copy pdf plugin that was use in ff ?
[09:42] <e-jat> :)
[09:43] <asac> you can enable that experimental plugins feature by setting some magic in /etc/chromium*/default
[09:43] <e-jat> is it?
[09:43] <asac> no clue about the current plugin state. wait for fta
[09:43] <asac> bdrung: yeah. i wrote a test suite like thing. looks pretty good.
[09:44] <asac> not yet sure which name to use for it though
[09:44] <asac> moz-compare-versions ;)
[09:44] <asac> or mozcmp
[09:44] <asac> :=
[09:44] <asac> or something else?
[09:48] <e-jat> CHROMIUM_FLAGS=""i can see only
[09:48] <e-jat> :)
[09:50] <asac> e-jat: you will figure. its probably coded in chromium-browser warpper script
[09:50] <asac> otherwise wait for fta ;)
[09:50] <e-jat> mean .. need to specify : --enable-extensions --load-extension="/some/path"
[09:50] <e-jat> asac: ok i will :)
[09:51] <e-jat> so far so good with the chromium .. after flash seem working fine :)
[09:51] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/6796569
[09:51] <asac> so flash works?
[09:51] <asac> how did you enable it?
[09:53] <e-jat> asac: i copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/
[09:53] <e-jat> then run it with --enable-plugins
[09:54] <asac> k
[09:54] <e-jat> r0x :)
[11:27] <aquarius> asac, hey
[11:32] <asac> aquarius: hi
[11:33] <aquarius> asac, your CouchDB patch from yesterday (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-435) wasn't quite enough, it turns out; the spidermonkey API apparently changed, and another chap did a different patch: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-288
[11:34] <aquarius> asac, your views on those would be interesting; I don't know enough about spidermonkey to evaluate the other guy's patch to know whether it's the Right Thing or not
[11:38] <asac> aquarius: what was the problem with that patch?
[11:39] <aquarius> asac, nothing at all, it's just that in addition to JSOPTION_NATIVE_BRANCH_CALLBACK going away, the API to call spidermonkey changed too, meaning that your patch made couch compile fine but the other guys patch makes it actually work :-)
[11:39] <aquarius> this is by no means your fault :)
[11:40] <asac> aquarius: what i asked was : what didnt work?
[11:40] <aquarius> asac, ah, when couch tried to use a JS view function, it threw the error "expression does not evaluate to a function"
[11:41] <asac> ok ... will check the patch then
[11:41] <asac> i mean the one from 288
[11:42] <aquarius> cheers, chief :)
[11:58] <andv> asac, is the guy who did the torbutton fix a new contributor?
[11:58] <andv> asac, if yes I won't run dch -r
[12:03] <andv> asac, contents here: http://paste.debian.net/42831/
[12:20] <asac> andv: sponsoring never involves dch -r
[12:21] <asac> if you change more things you can either take over changelog or be nice and just add you to the changelog
[12:21] <asac> or ask the the guy to fix the patch
[12:21] <andv> asac, dch -r do the work for you
[12:21] <asac> (though if its trivial its not really worth a round)
[12:21] <andv> asac, it creates a path for the previous changer
[12:21] <andv> and adds one for you where you can add your changes
[12:21] <asac> andv: dch -r will take over changelog
[12:21] <asac> thats not sponsoring
[12:21] <andv> asac, no, it creates a [ name ]
[12:22] <andv> path with personal changes
[12:22] <asac> andv: it also takes over ownership
[12:22] <asac> andv: just add that [ ... ]  manually
[12:22] <andv> asac, yes, it's what I did
[12:22] <asac> good. then its fine
[12:22] <andv> just updated timestamp
[12:22] <andv> asac, look at package contents and tell me if they are fine
[12:22] <andv> asac, http://paste.debian.net/42831/
[12:23] <asac> andv: looks fine. if its tested go for it
[12:23] <andv> k
[12:23] <asac> next ;)
[12:23] <asac> ok running some errands and doing lunch
[12:24] <andv> ok, I finish this and I go to prepare lunch too
[12:27] <andv> asac, the diff shows some changes
[12:27] <andv> asac, to torbutton.js
[12:27] <andv> file
[12:27] <andv> -        proxy_host = '<IP_ADDRESS>';
[12:27] <andv> +        proxy_host = 'localhost';
[12:27] <andv> is that normal0
[12:27] <andv> ?
[12:27] <andv> e.g it gets auto-generated during build?
[12:29] <andv> asac, it's not on his debdiff so I guess it's auto-generated during build
[12:31] <asac> andv: you are a motu
[12:31] <asac> ;)
[12:32] <andv> asac, I just wanted a clean diff :)
[12:32] <asac> andv: yeah. start with a clean tree
[12:32] <asac> apply the reviewed patch
[12:32] <andv> asac, I know, and I get that change
[12:32] <andv> asac, which is not in his debdiff
[12:33] <andv> asac, the only thing possible is that that file gets auto-generated during build
[12:34] <asac> and just debuild -S
[12:34] <asac>
[12:34] <asac> andv: yes. loads of packages are bad and dont properly clea n up
[12:34] <asac> thats normal but one shouldnt bother with it when sponsoring
[12:34] <asac> just take care that you dont produce sources from a tree you used to build ;)
[12:34] <asac> its annoying, but thats life :)
[12:35] <andv> asac, yeah, I was just having a look at the diff
[12:35] <andv> and found out that thing
[12:35] <andv> so I asked you if that was normal
[12:35] <andv> nothing more
[12:36] <asac> everytime i do something to packages not done by me i dpkg-source -x ... modify, create sources .... and if i do a binary build for testing i trash the tree again and unpack the dsc
[12:37] <asac> ok bad connection atm
[12:37] <asac> and	well spotted. you are right that diff shouldnt be in teere ;)
[12:37] <asac> ok ... have to run out  and connectivity is gettin worse. will be back in 30 minutes i guess
[12:37] <andv> asac, I leave it as it is?
[12:38] <andv> it's something really minor
[12:38] <andv> asac, want me to push anyway?
[12:39] <andv> asac, I looked at old package previously uploaded
[12:39] <andv> and that change is still there
[12:40] <andv> so I assume it's auto-generated
[12:40] <andv> fine then
[13:26] <asac> andv: a clean debdiff is what we want
[13:26] <asac> andv: dont use _built_ trees to produce the sources
[13:26] <andv> asac, I know
[13:26] <asac> good
[13:26] <andv> asac, I uploaded it more than 30 mins ago
[13:26] <andv> but I received no mails
[13:26] <asac> great
[13:27] <andv> maybe the archive don't recognize my sha-256 key
[13:27] <andv> ...
[13:30] <andv> I'm asking on LP
[13:48] <e-jat> ping fta
[14:15] <exn> hi! why not include jssh support for ubuntu build of mozilla ?
[15:06] <asac> exn: not sure what jssh is ;)
[15:06] <asac> exn: you are asking to have it packaged or to instal it by default?
[15:07] <exn> I'm ask to compile it with this options by default mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser
[15:07] <exn> mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/firefox-jssh
[15:07] <exn> ac_add_options --enable-extensions=default,jssh,webservices
[15:07] <exn> ac_add_options --enable-application=browser
[15:07] <exn> even redhat has firefox compiled with jssh
[15:08] <exn> asac: yes, it will be cool to have it by default
[15:08] <exn> I'm tired to recompile it every time
[15:09] <exn> and it just option which can be enabled anytime
[15:09] <exn> like  firefox -jssh
[16:18] <asac> exn: since when does jssh exist?
[16:18] <exn> asac ?
[16:20] <asac> since when does it exist
[16:20] <asac> just want to estimate how likely it is that this goes away
[16:21] <asac> in next release or something
[16:21] <asac> we were burned in the past by shisping stuff that upstream does not support
[16:21] <exn> from 1x versions
[16:22] <exn> check it http://tinyurl.com/685tac
[16:22] <exn> there described how to compile it with jssh support
[16:23] <exn> for 3x version
[16:23] <asac> yeah. i will think about it. file a wishlist bug for now
[16:24] <asac> also check if there ar other extensions we might put into a firefox-3.0-extras package or something
[16:24] <exn> after compiling it must looks like this http://pastie.org/561804
[16:24] <asac> well. compiling and doing is not the problem ;)
[16:25] <asac> its just that unsupported stuff shoudlnt be in a firefox build with official branding
[16:25] <asac> i will check with fedora guy, why and how they ship it
[16:26] <asac> so for now: file a wishlist bug ;)
[16:26] <asac> against firefox-3.5
[16:30] <exn> it will  be cool to have jssh immediately after apt-get install =)
[16:30] <exn> I don't know will it be in extras or not
[16:31] <exn> I think no, because xulrunner and libs must be compiled with this option. but I not sure
[16:31] <asac> i will check it. i think its basically just chrome and components
[16:32] <asac> can be shipped outside
[16:32] <asac> otherwise we wont do it i guess
[16:32] <exn> thanks
[16:32] <asac> file bug ... tell me id and I will check when i have time
[17:03] <exn> maybe somebody knows how to run mozilla without an any kind of X ?
[17:04] <asac> exn: any kind of X?
[17:04] <exn> asac , yes, without Xvfb, without desktop
[17:05] <exn> just one process of mozilla and no more
[17:05] <exn> without rendering !
[17:10] <asac> exn:what do you want to do
[17:10] <exn> it's sounds bad, I know. if I will work with it through jssh interface, rendering is not needed, I mean do not need to draw pages anywhere
[17:11] <exn> just disable rendering, or something like this
[17:11] <exn> it's possible ?
[17:12] <asac> exn: why do you want to run firefox just for jssh?
[17:12] <asac> what are you doing with it?
[17:14] <exn> testing javascript
[17:32] <eagles0513875> hey asac
[17:33] <asac> hi exn
[17:33] <asac> hi eagles0513875 ;)
[17:34] <eagles0513875> kde is broken lol woohooo
[17:39] <asac> exn: kde networkmanager?
[17:39] <asac> eagles0513875: ^
[17:39] <asac> (sorry exn)
[17:40] <eagles0513875> no
[17:40] <eagles0513875> the desktop as a whole
[17:40] <asac> eagles0513875: but ou had problems with kde network manager right?
[17:40] <asac> i need you to test something then ;)
[17:41] <eagles0513875> the login is broken there have been a whole bunch of kde updated packages and updating to the latest ones seems to have issues i login then my screen goes blank then all i see is the mouse and black screen nothing shows that the desktop is loading
[18:19] <fta> hi
[18:26] <eagles0513875> hey fta
[18:36] <fta> is it just me or is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ dead?
[18:41] <eagles0513875> what you mena not loading
[18:42] <eagles0513875> fta: sites down
[18:42] <eagles0513875> if you wanna know what is honestly dead is something with kde login
[20:08] <bdrung> asac: did you wrote a test program like http://paste.ubuntu.com/235370/ ?
[20:47] <fta> A    chromium-v8-13149/src/test/mjsunit/proto.js
[20:47] <fta> svn: Decompression of svndiff data failed
[20:47] <fta> make: *** [gos-co] Error 1
[20:48] <fta> forcing a respin of the bot..
[21:05] <erh> is the version of mozjs in xulrunner 1.9.1 supposed to be the same as spider monkey 1.8?
[21:05] <erh> i'm getting some weird differences between them - including a symbol being in the headers but in the library
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey hey hey . guud evening
[21:30]  * BUGabundo is Happy.... enjoy while you can :D
[21:32] <micahg> BUGabundo: is BUGaBOTdo a better nick?
[21:33]  * BUGabundo ignores Mika
[21:38] <asac> bdrung_: something similar ... more complete
[21:39] <asac> bdrung_: but in sh ;)
[21:39] <asac> and done manually. but i dont think that there is much need to extend the test much
[21:39] <asac> i mean manually as yours, but i also test gt ge for instance nd le
[21:40] <asac> erh: i dont know about js versioning
[21:51] <erh> asac: the really weird thing is that there is a symbol in a header file js_RegExpClass that is not in libmozjs.so  when i build spider monkey myself, its in the library
[21:55] <bdrung_> asac: i only tested the cases listed on the website
[22:01] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/235432/
[22:03] <BUGabundo> identica is down!!!
[22:03] <BUGabundo> who will have I to nag now ?!!?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> OMG OMG OMG
[22:05] <micahg> BUGabundo: I thought it was distributed so it can't go down
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Laconica support OMB and Federation it is
[22:07] <BUGabundo> *but* identica is just ONE service
[22:07] <BUGabundo> it can go and has been down
[22:09] <fta> you killed it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> damn it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> GMail spend the entire day killing my FF
[22:10] <BUGabundo> both here on 3.6
[22:11] <BUGabundo> and on debian iceweasel 3.0.9
[22:11] <BUGabundo> stupid gmail
[22:12] <fta> BUGabundo, so you're using debian now?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> at work
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I told you that like 3 weeks ago
[22:16] <fta> BUGabundo, now that i've unsubscribed from your dents, i may pay more attention to what you actually say ;)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I said it HERE
[22:16] <BUGabundo> fta: you shameless ex-follower :(
[22:16] <fta> no offense ;)
[22:17] <BUGabundo> fta: http://www.brainbird.co.cc/bugabundo
[22:17] <BUGabundo> sub to me there
[22:17] <BUGabundo> much less _noise_
[22:17] <fta> i'm only on identi.ca
[22:18] <BUGabundo> so?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> its federated!!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> duh
[22:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I'm subbed to ppl on at least 5 other Laconica servers
[22:19] <BUGabundo> from my identica account
[22:19] <BUGabundo> actually my identica and my brainbird are subbed to each other
[22:19] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:19] <fta> Incorrect username or password.
[22:20] <fta> how do i know they didn't collect my password in the process?
[22:20] <fta> shame!
[22:21] <BUGabundo> ahh?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> what ppassword?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> you should have been returned to your idenitca accont
[22:21] <BUGabundo> you are pressing the worng button
[22:21] <BUGabundo> let me sign out to give you the DIRECT link
[22:21] <BUGabundo> http://www.brainbird.co.cc/main/remote?nickname=bugabundo
[22:22] <BUGabundo> no enter http://identi.ca/fta in the 2nd field
[22:23] <BUGabundo> No suitable nodes are available to serve your request.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> GRRRR
[22:23] <pace_t_zulu> http://mashable.com/2009/07/27/firefox-40/ <- anyone see the chromium/chrome resemblance?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> fta: see it now ?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> assuming Identica is up
[22:25] <fta> nope, nada, i gave up
[22:25] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:25] <BUGabundo> try again later
[22:25] <BUGabundo> when its up
[22:25] <fta> pace_t_zulu, ff 4.0? ff 3.7? wtf is that?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> did you undertood how to sub to a remote account fta?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: saw it and read all about tit
[22:26] <BUGabundo> fta: mockups of the next looks of FF
[22:26] <BUGabundo> on version 3.7
[22:26] <BUGabundo> that will lead to 4.
[22:27] <pace_t_zulu> they borrowed liberally from google
[22:27] <fta> why not, chromium borrows a lot from firefox
[22:28] <BUGabundo> ahahahah
[22:29] <pace_t_zulu> fta: +1
[22:30] <asac> bdrung_: its ok. i tested almost everything. its good. i will commit it ... thanks!
[22:30] <asac> erh: how do you checkout/build spidermonkey
[22:30] <asac> ?
[22:34] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=16800#c17
[22:34] <fta> so system v8 is a problem...
[22:56] <asac> fta: please disable shred build for now
[22:56] <asac> but keep v8
[22:56] <fta> it's off
[22:56] <fta> i never enabled shared build
[22:57] <asac> ok
[22:57] <asac> fta: i dont understand the problem though
[22:58] <asac> can you explain what exactly is broken now?
[23:00] <fta> localtime is called by v8, but the binary being jailed (sandboxed), it doesn't have access to /etc/localtime so fails to apply the correct tz
[23:01] <asac> fta: aha. how does jailing work?
[23:01] <asac> which binary is being jailed?
[23:01] <asac> how do they detect in which binary they are (code wise)
[23:01] <fta> it's a chroot on an empty dir (deleted dir)
[23:02] <asac> is there some document online? that gives an overwivew?
[23:03] <fta> chromium searches for chromium-sandbox, if it finds it, it starts from there, then all children (the renderers) are jailed
[23:03] <fta> yes, most probably
[23:03] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSUIDSandbox
[23:08] <BUGabundo> fta: http://www.brainbird.co.cc/main/remote?nickname=bugabundo
[23:08] <BUGabundo> can you try now?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> and enter http://identi.ca/fta in the 2nd field
[23:12] <asac> fta: yeah. but seems its not many cases that this breaks. in general it works pretty well
[23:12] <asac> i will check the links though. thanks!
[23:13] <fta> asac, run javascript:alert(new Date().getTimezoneOffset())
[23:13] <bdrung_> asac: can you push the branch?
[23:15] <fta> BUGabundo, Bad Request, No authorization request!
[23:15] <BUGabundo> grrr
[23:15] <BUGabundo> this is supposed to be easy
[23:15] <BUGabundo> I've done it 250 times before
[23:16] <BUGabundo> fta: are you loggin on identica??
[23:17] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/235480/
[23:17] <fta> BUGabundo, of course i am
[23:18] <BUGabundo> are you sure ? :p
[23:19] <BUGabundo> fta: (11:17:33 PM) shiny: remote subscriptions are..... flakey
[23:19] <BUGabundo> (11:18:12 PM) evanpro: shiny: I think there's a problem with the session storage
[23:23] <asac> bdrung_: urgently? i am not logged onto the system.
[23:23] <fta> asac, i will disable it for now, please experiment in a sandbox ppa
[23:24] <asac> fta: well. what i wanted the daily builds for atm is to track how well abi/api works
[23:24] <asac> i cannot do that in a sandbox
[23:24] <asac> for me the current regression seems ok. but if you think its too bad go ahead
[23:25] <asac> but good to see that they plant to stabilize v8
[23:26] <asac> on their own
[23:26] <fta> asac, my plan was always to push upstream to do the right thing for us, even if i sometimes have to do the patch, and use that *when it's ready*, but never to enable stuff before they are accepted
[23:26] <asac> and settle on 1.2 branch
[23:26] <asac> fta: the discussion i read didnt sounded like they would care much about sonames for now
[23:26] <fta> asac, many people use chromium with gmail, so their emails have a busted date
[23:27] <fta> soname is a different topic, it's about system libs here
[23:27] <asac> if upstream says they will do stable abi stuff for v8 its ok. i wont bother to put any work in this. but your paste is the first i see that they want to do that
[23:28] <asac> fta: yes. but what i did i didnt do for the sake of ssytem libs it was for the sake of checking how abi works out
[23:28] <asac> not for chomium, but to check if v8 can be a viable alternative for mozjs in the archive and the freesoftware that needs js
[23:28] <asac> chromium wsa just a good build target to check if soname breaks
[23:28] <asac> far better than the shell testcase they proposed imo as it is massive real live usage
[23:28] <fta> asac, as i said many times, webkit, v8 and skia should be the last libs we should try to get in, because they are the ones that are not ready
[23:30] <asac> all the rest isnt important for the distro
[23:30] <asac> v8 is what i want to understand
[23:30] <asac> we have a pressing need to get any stable js lib
[23:30] <asac> but we have none
[23:30] <asac> the v8 api looked simple enough to be trackable thats what i did here ;)
[23:30] <bdrung> asac: it not urgently.
[23:30] <asac> bdrung: just want to test or to improve the rest?
[23:31] <asac> bdrung: i didnt modify your patch so you can work on top of that
[23:32] <bdrung> asac: i only replaced the dpkg command by mozcmp and added an "a" to the comparision for maxversion.
[23:32] <asac> fta: anyway today i made some political progress on the mozjs abi front so the urgency of v8 might drop again
[23:32] <fta> asac, i'm all for experimenting stuff, but not when it's a confirmed regression for users
[23:33] <asac> fta: sure. i wasnt aware about the regressions. for me it looks ignorable for daily build archive (not in a release archive for sure). but its your decision
[23:33] <fta> asac, what else would use v8 anyway? it's not even complete
[23:33] <bdrung> asac: s/it/it's/
[23:33] <asac> fta: what is missing its a js engine that works good enough fo r abrowser
[23:34] <asac> so its probably good enough for almost everything
[23:34] <fta> asac, well, the problem is that we just have those daily builds, nothing else, so all users are using the same thing, and they will eventually suffer from our experiments
[23:34] <asac> seems like you can do all the basics like definining functions objects, running them
[23:35] <asac> fta: i understand and its your decision because you drive this. maybe we can make the packageing smart so that it will pick up system v8 in a repository that has v8 in it
[23:35] <asac> and move the daily v8 to some other ppa
[23:35] <fta> eh?? "fo r abrowser" ? you mean the unbranded firefox? you want to swap the js engine??
[23:35] <asac> in that way i could regularly copy over
[23:35] <asac> fta: for a browser == its used by chromium. its definitly complete enough to be used
[23:36] <asac> fta: i didnt want to say that another browser should use it. what i meant was that for apps that need it now (like couchdb, google gadgedts) its definitly complete enough
[23:36] <fta> yeah maybe, then try it there, chromium has obviously troubles with it
[23:36] <asac> though to some degree i feel tempted to build ephy webkit against chromium webkit ;)
[23:37] <asac> fta: those apps do not exist yet. i need chromium to test how good the abi is
[23:37] <fta> try
[23:37] <asac> so i can suggest folks to use that and promote it in the archive.
[23:37] <asac> i will check what we can do.
[23:38] <fta> v8 could probably already go, it has everything now
[23:38] <asac> what i want i sthat i can copy chromium browser to a special ppa where it at best would pick up libv8 system
[23:38] <bdrung> asac: good night
[23:38] <asac> fta: thats what i mean. and i didnt want to experiment weith chrome because of chrome, just beacuse its a great app that probably uses most symbols and so we would see abi breakage
[23:39] <fta> asac, maybe you should make more use of the testsuites
[23:39] <bdrung> asac: it looks like the whole mozcmp works. i will do more testing the day after tomorrow
[23:40] <fta> mozcmp?
[23:40] <bdrung> fta: look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/234812/
[23:41] <bdrung> fta: it compares mozilla versions.
[23:41] <bdrung> fta: it's the current working title.
[23:41] <asac> fta: yes. you can do it right with testsuites too probably. but they just have the shell from what i understand and not so extensive api tests
[23:41] <fta> xul already has that
[23:41] <asac> and the shell most likely doesnt touch enough
[23:42] <e-jat> ping fta
[23:42] <asac> fta: which script does provide it. i dont know of any
[23:42] <asac> i only know of C code
[23:43] <e-jat> fta: can chrome use pdf plugin?
[23:43] <fta> asac, i assume the v8 testsuite tests everything, and as for chromium, it should too, gaps should be filled in
[23:43] <fta> e-jat, no idea, i never tried
[23:44] <e-jat> even it wont try to download its ..
[23:44] <e-jat> example : slideshare.net
[23:46] <fta> e-jat, wfm, i mean, when i click on a pdf, it offers me to save it, i accept, then it's also in the dl bar at the bottom, if it click it there, my preferred pdf viewer opens up
[23:47] <e-jat> owh ok ..
[23:48] <fta> it's not *nice* but it works
[23:50] <asac_> reconnect
[23:50] <asac_> fta: i think he wants an embedded pdf viewer (guess he already told that though)
[23:51] <fta> asac_, as i said, i don't know. i don't use any even with firefox
[23:52] <asac_> ok
[23:54] <asac__> ok
[23:54] <e-jat> asac & fta : it not necessary to embedded it :) ... just curious why mine is not offer me to save it ... its ok .. ill keep try it
[23:55] <fta> maybe you auto-accept all dls
[23:55] <fta> try ~/Downloads/
[23:55] <fta> (i should change that back to our default btw)
[23:55] <e-jat> fta: another thing is ... is it i need to manually add the SSL cert for the website that they self generate?
[23:56] <asac__> auto-safe or not auto-safe by default?
[23:56] <asac__> fta: does chromium already treat .deb files as unsafe downloads? e.g. only offers to save and not gdebi?
[23:56] <fta> asac__, i think it's off by default
[23:56] <asac__> yeah. i think it should be on ;) ... and honour XDG ... lol ;)
[23:57] <fta> not sure it's ready
[23:57] <fta> same for ssl
[23:57] <asac__> whats not ready? unsafe downloads?
[23:57] <fta> you know you can file bugs, right?
[23:57] <asac__> whats the problem with ssl right now?
[23:58] <asac__> i wouldnt file a bug to find out if a feature is already implemented ;)
[23:59] <fta> e-jat, well, for self signed certs, i get something similar in ff
[23:59] <e-jat> hmm ..


[02:29] <studio-user768> hello
[13:37] <studio-user305> need help with 3d pathon sripe for web graph of network stats a sycn issues . mastamorris
[20:03] <studio-user271> Anyone else having Boot login issues??? When I log in it goes to a daos and states cleaning and then goes right back to login screen... cant get past it.


[04:44] <flocculant> tsimonq2 wxl - from memory (at stupid o'clock) IF someone is a member of a flavour's release team - they should be fine to edit THAT flavours things on the tracker, you should when logging in have flavour-release as a Team Membership when logging in through SSO
[04:44] <tsimonq2> flocculant: I tried, that's not possible.
[04:45] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Unless ofc you think I'm missing something :)
[04:45] <flocculant> mmm - then I think something is wrong at that end then for you
[04:45] <flocculant> I was xubuntu-release and could do stuff for us
[04:46] <flocculant> I'm now that plus ubuntu-testcase and ubuntu-qa-website-devel
[04:47] <tsimonq2> hmm
[04:47]  * flocculant is looking at the teams
[04:47] <flocculant> hang on while I do that and get some tea ;)
[04:47] <tsimonq2> Ok ;)
[04:49] <flocculant> does Lubuntu have a release team on LP?
[04:50] <flocculant> I think a lot of the oddities are because Ali and Phillw way back for lubuntu
[04:51] <tsimonq2> Yeaaah, both of those people are gone now, let's correct any irregularities that might have shown up ;)
[04:51] <flocculant> ok - well logical way to do this is:
[04:51] <tsimonq2> flocculant: ~lubuntu-product-managers
[04:52] <flocculant> have a Lubuntu Release team
[04:52] <flocculant> add Lubuntu Release Team to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/+members#active
[04:53] <flocculant> tsimonq2: that would do it - use that team
[04:53] <tsimonq2> flocculant: k... I can't add it ;)
[04:54] <flocculant> I guess gilir needs to try to add the team to the testcase one - then anyone can ping a testcase admin to approve
[04:54] <tsimonq2> Sure, I'll give gilir a ping, thanks.
[04:55] <flocculant> elopio or brian murray are probably the best bets as testcase admins
[04:55] <tsimonq2> ok
[04:55] <flocculant> other 2 are Nick and a canonical IS guy (if I remember his name correctly)
[04:56] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Here's the problem -- I can't request to add *anything*, it seems like a public team, so I'll give Leo or Bryan a ping tomorrow.
[04:56] <flocculant> tbh (don't know how quick gilir is) might be quickest to just ping elopio or brian to do it
[04:57] <flocculant> ha ha - yea :)
[04:57] <flocculant> not looking at screen when typing ...
[04:58] <tsimonq2> right
[04:58] <tsimonq2> (to the first one, not confirming that you don't have a set of eyes ;P)
[04:58] <flocculant> lol
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[04:59] <flocculant> budgie should be on that list too
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[05:00] <tsimonq2> flocculant: I'll give Dustin a ping real quick then
[05:01] <flocculant> if someone is in a release team - they can do stuff for their testsuites/cases on tracker
[05:01] <flocculant> but of course many testcases are generic
[05:02] <tsimonq2> Right
[05:02] <flocculant> tsimonq2: might be useful for Dustin to be in this channel - better place to be chatting about tracker stuff than anywhere else
[05:02] <tsimonq2> Right.
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[05:03] <flocculant> I DO watch what goes on at the manual testcase side like a hawk
[05:03] <flocculant> and here's where I'm likely to ping people about that
[05:03] <tsimonq2> Sent him a message...
[05:05] <flocculant> who - we've been talking about 5 people and it's 5am :D
[05:05] <flocculant> I assume dustin
[05:06] <tsimonq2> Yes... ;)
[05:07] <flocculant> oh my - what a silly playlist I've ended up with ... 9:13:09:23 long
[05:08] <tsimonq2> hahaha
[05:08] <flocculant> 1530 tracks lol
[05:09] <flocculant> 99% of who you've likely never heard of ha ha
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Probably not :D
[05:09] <flocculant> you heard anything on the grapevine about lp build farms at all?
[05:10]  * flocculant is jittery when no bionic updates for days :p
[05:11] <flocculant> wxl - re your /lastlog stable
[05:11] <flocculant> too early
[05:12] <flocculant> wxl re your yotube link ... UK news today "Concerned about the welcome he would receive in the UK, the President is understood to be sending US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson instead."
[05:12] <flocculant> there was a petition which 2 million people signed telling the govt to tell him not to come
[05:13] <bashfulrobot> Hey flocculant! tsimonq2 asked me to pop on... What's up? Some discussion around budgie?
[05:13] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: hi :)
[05:14] <bashfulrobot> How goes?
[05:14] <flocculant> does budgie have a release team on launchpad? if it does get it joined to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase
[05:15] <flocculant> so you can do your tracker stuff
[05:16] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: it's much too early in the morning - woke up 2 hours before alarm ...
[05:18] <bashfulrobot> Let me check that out. Of the top of my head, I don't think so. I have never seen the testcase url before. And I was just auditing or permission tree in launchpad the other day.
[05:18] <bashfulrobot> Ah man, that sucks (early). I'm jus finishing dinner here.
[05:19] <flocculant> being in there means you can edit budgie stuff at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[05:19] <flocculant> p[ackage one isn't used much - but can be useful
[05:20] <bashfulrobot> flocculant I'll brb, just peeking at our linked LP accounts.
[05:22] <bashfulrobot> that's better - on laptop now (was on mobile)
[05:26] <bashfulrobot> flocculant looks like we do not have any links (or inherited) teams on LP that link up to hte ubuntu-testcase account
[05:27] <bashfulrobot> The closest "release" team would probably just be our core group (we are pretty small at this point)
[05:28] <flocculant> on LP?
[05:29] <flocculant> and if it is - is it moderated?
[05:30] <bashfulrobot> It is. https://launchpad.net/~budgie-remix
[05:30] <bashfulrobot> Seems to be mor eof the original naming scheme before budgie became a flavour
[05:30] <bashfulrobot> But that holds the core group.
[05:30] <flocculant> I think you can just rename them - as an aside
[05:31] <bashfulrobot> and it is moderated by fossfreedom.
[05:31] <bashfulrobot> Probably could, but I'll speak to fossfreedom before I attempt.
[05:31] <flocculant> ok - probably the best one to use then
[05:31] <flocculant> I'm fairly confident fossfreedom and I have talked about tracker before
[05:32] <flocculant> get it joined to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase so you can admin your stuff on tracker(s)
[05:33]  * flocculant goes back to waking up :)
[05:33] <bashfulrobot> I would use the https://launchpad.net/~budgie-remix team, as all of hte others include the bug testing people (207 members), where as the remix one is hte core 5.
[05:34] <bashfulrobot> I will do so.
[05:35] <bashfulrobot> flocculant actually, I thin kI'm going to get fossfreedom to create an actual release team and then I will request that one.
[05:35] <flocculant> ok - makes sense
[05:35]  * bashfulrobot thanks tsimonq2 and flocculant for the point in the right dirrection.
[05:35] <flocculant> np - have a good rest of day
[05:36] <bashfulrobot> you too@!
[05:36] <tsimonq2> Thanks for coming bashfulrobot :)
[05:36] <bashfulrobot> thanks for having me!


[05:42] <AlecTaylor> hi
[05:42] <AlecTaylor> Okay, got a commit waiting and ready
[05:42]  * AlecTaylor is following https://dev.launchpad.net/PatchSubmission
[05:42] <AlecTaylor> bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command push:
[05:42] <AlecTaylor> :\


[01:12] <handsome_feng> Hi, It would be great if someone can upload the ukwm: LP: #1740252 , Thanks! :)
[15:53] <Rhonda> Unit193: I've pushed 1.0.7-1 to Debian unstable, are you able to sync that into ubuntu because of security related patches?  1.0 series is a maintenance release these days, so only bug fixes, new features go into 1.1
[16:19] <Unit193> Rhonda: Irssi was just patched in Ubuntu for the security issues, though since 1.0.7 is bugfix only I don't see why it wouldn't make it.
[16:20] <Rhonda> … and right when I have the time to work on it I really would love to get this series.debian and series.ubuntu thing done.
[16:27] <Unit193> I'd like the firsttimer text to be the only difference, irc.ubuntu.com isn't really ideal with breaking TLS verification. :/
[23:56] <Unit193> There's still a push towards Qt5 in this release right?  ophcrack, an unseeded universe package, just had an upload to Debian that switches to Qt5.


[12:56] <thorwil> apple botched the shiny floor effect (via photoshopdisasters): http://images.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/images/app-store-download-20090608.jpg
[13:26] <Equiet> http://stelmaria.equiet.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/designhub2.png
[13:28] <FLOZz> hello _o/
[13:28] <Equiet> Hi.
[13:38] <thorwil> lol, armored battle lynx and darth koala. who thinks of such silly stuff ;p
[13:39] <thorwil> Equiet: there should be no need for "Home", the site name in the top right can take on that role
[13:40] <thorwil> "Browse projects" is odd. strange place
[13:48] <thorwil> Equiet: i think the top section should be reserved for the site name/logo, login/account and search to go with what is somewhat common these days.
[13:48] <thorwil> Equiet: next area should answer the question: where am i?
[13:49] <thorwil> i would suggest using breadcrumbs, but on a site like this, it could be more about tags
[13:50] <Equiet> Hm? Breadcrumb to what?
[13:51] <thorwil> Equiet: e.g. Fedora/Wallpapers/13/BlueVelvet
[13:51] <thorwil> Equiet: but what i was just about to explain: it could be Fedora/13/Wallpapers, or Wallpapers/Fedora/13 ...
[13:52] <thorwil> so it should probably be more like a query and not imply a hierarchy so much
[13:54] <thorwil> such a navigation section could have fields for Distribution, Distribution Version, Type (wallpaper, gtk-theme, icon-theme, ...), Author ...
[13:54] <Equiet> F5.
[13:56] <thorwil> better. that "in" is a small but important detail
[14:07] <Equiet> F5.
[14:14] <thorwil> Equiet: i'd flip Search and Logged_in. search in top right is very common
[14:15] <thorwil> Equiet: the shadow below the image areas is not satisfying. if you look at the top and side edges, it looks like the area is almost flat, just a tiny bit raised from the ground
[14:16] <thorwil> Equiet: if you then look at the bottom edge, it seems that either the image or the background would have to bend for such a shadow
[14:17]  * thorwil -> coffee
[14:23] <Equiet> I think it looks better when searchbox is on left side. (F5)
[14:23]  * Equiet TV.
[15:41] <zniavre> hello what is the name of the new engines for gtk-engines-pixmap please ?
[15:44] <zniavre> it seems lucid missing it
[15:46] <zniavre> is that pixbuf ?
[15:47] <zniavre> pfff forget it.... shame on me
[15:47] <zniavre> :o)
[22:53] <omega425> this may not b the right way of using a chat room but let me try it any way have a tv made by proveiw and the company has  gone out of business I need a toggle switch for pwr supply on model #mh422hub so thx  insight


[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:12] <Tuxist> i have tuned my kubuntu 20.04 with qt 5.14 ^^ : https://tuxist.de/debrepo/ubuntu/ key here: https://tuxist.de/debrepo/apt.key runs much smother
[22:43] <Mamarok> there is appareently a bug in the Kubuntu GlobalTheme: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=165973 it doesn't happen with either Breeze or Breeze dark, so this is very Kubuntu specific a bug.
[22:44] <Mamarok> would be nice if somebody could have a look
 That is not a bug in our theme. It is a KDE bug
[22:49] <Mamarok> well, it doesn't happen in Breeze nor Breeze dark
[22:49] <Mamarok> and defaault is Breeze, no?
 You get the same if you don't use our theme, but choose breeze dark plasma theme and light color scheme for apps
[22:50] <Mamarok> well, this person uses the default Kubuntu and can't see the buttons, how is that not a bug?
[22:50] <Mamarok> in any case this needs to be corrected
 The bugs is a KDE one. The fix needs to be somewhere in how that connection GUI handles colour schemes
[22:51] <Mamarok> I have never seen this as I use Breeze dark global and Breeze dark, why should I comine light with dark?
[22:52] <Mamarok> combine*
 why should you not. that is what our default theme is basically doing
[22:53] <Mamarok> right... I guess that is exactly the answer I get when I report this upstrem... why combine dark wit light...
 the dark plasma theme should not alter the apps colour theming. period
[22:55] <Mamarok> has this been reported upstream? or is everybody just reasoning it's their bug but do not report it?
 if you have breeze dark plasma, but decide to have your apps scheme pink and purple, that should be respected by the UI
 I am not sure. it does a ring a faint bell, but not sure if that is a bug report or not
[23:11] <RikMills> Mamarok: breeze noir dark from store.kde.or with oxygen apps colour scheme https://i.imgur.com/8cBQnPj.png
[23:14] <Mamarok> yeah, not good, I will check tomorrow if I find a bug report, too tired now
[23:16] <RikMills> Mamarok: I have sent Nate a link and pic ;)
[23:16] <Mamarok> cool, thanks


[12:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:43] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hi dscassel
[16:02] <s-fox> Hello.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> hi s-fox
[16:07] <s-fox> Hello BluesKaj. How are you?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks s-fox :) , and you ?
[16:08] <s-fox> BluesKaj,  Not too bad thank you :)  Having a good weekend?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> yes , so far so good here
[16:09] <s-fox> =)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> and there , s-fox ?
[16:12] <s-fox> We are experiencing freaky weather patterns.  Bit of a heatwave going on. :/
[16:12] <s-fox> It is too hot to do anything, lol
[16:17] <BluesKaj> a bit warm here as well 28C today , so far ...above the avg for georgian bay/north channel area
[16:18] <s-fox> We are at 22 but sun was at its hottest ~4 hours ago.  Would guesstimate it reached 28
[16:19] <BluesKaj> s-fox, where are you located?
[16:20] <s-fox> I am stuck in UK :/  Only really pop in to see if starcraft.man is about. We go way back ;)
[16:20] <BluesKaj> ok, cool
[16:23] <BluesKaj> daughter spent the fall and winter in London UK , but her contract ran out ...wasn't renewed due to gov't funding .. but she had a positive experience there
[16:24] <s-fox> Good to hear the experience was positive.
[17:42] <ball> Is it the future yet?
[18:00] <BobJonkman> ball: If you wait a bit, it'll be the future soon.
[18:14] <dscassel> That reminds me of a song... http://youtu.be/LDiDK_yBCw0


[09:06] <retku> ummm, I am having a problem installing lubuntu to Fujitsu Siemens AmiloPro V2000: nothing happens after choosing "Install Ubuntu"
[09:08] <retku> and "nothing" means desktop without panels or anything
[09:42] <retku> and there is mouse too what I can move
[09:42] <retku> nothing else
[09:53] <retku> I have only succeed to install ubuntu 9.04, should I try this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce?
[09:57] <szczur> 9.04 is very old and it's unsopported
[09:57] <szczur> unsupported*
[09:59] <retku> yes but install 9.04 and then install lubuntu from it and then remove ubuntu
[09:59] <retku> i mean lubuntu
[10:00] <retku> yes but install 9.04 and then install lubuntu from it and then remove ubuntu. Thats what i wanted to say
[10:00] <szczur> you can install 10.04 and intall lubuntu this way too
[10:01] <retku> i could not install ubuntu 10.04 or 9.10 or 10.10
[10:01] <szczur> ohhh
[10:01] <retku> I dunno why
[10:02] <szczur> does it give any error?
[10:02] <szczur> or just fails just because it said so :)
[10:02] <retku> yes ubuntu 10.10 gave several and 9.10 and 10.04 just went to a white/black screen
[10:07] <retku> now I tried install lubuntu by pressing "try ubuntu" when i click "Install lubuntu" from desktop I get only desktop and mouse, every panels etc. go away
[10:14] <retku> Is it possible to do the installation in textbased way by pressing "alt ctrl f6"?
[10:17] <szczur> retku, not from livecd
[10:17] <szczur> you need the alternate cd or mini.iso
[10:18] <retku> but it need internet connection?
[10:18] <szczur> not for alternate cd
[10:18] <szczur> but you need it for mini.iso
[10:19] <jjovereats> Is it okizzay for me to use Compiz on Lubuntu, or would that defeat the object (it works on the dell to the right of this computer)
[10:19] <szczur> retku, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall
[10:21] <szczur> jjovereats, i think it wouldn't make sense. however if you have fast PC you can do it.
[10:22] <szczur> it won't be so fast then, but still faster than gnome+compiz :)
[10:28] <retku> szczur: so installing using alternative cd does NOT need internet connection, what I can't use?
[10:29] <szczur> retku, if internet connection is available at the time doing alternate installation it will update packages and install language packs
[10:29] <jjovereats> BE* and o2 users have been Qlined by #ubuntu.
[10:29] <szczur> if it is not then it will install packages from cd without updating them
[10:30] <hyperair> jjovereats: qlined?
[10:32] <retku> This cant be true, even the screen saver works in my lubuntu installation but I cannot install
[10:34] <jjovereats> hyperair: Q:lined.
[10:34] <hyperair> jjovereats: is that different from klined?
[10:34] <jjovereats> Yes. Every Be* and o2 user is kill lined in one line.
[10:35] <hyperair> jjovereats: eh. what did they do?
[10:36] <jjovereats> I blew up. And instead of kickbanning me for 2 days, they disrespectfully Q-lined o2 users. Lots of whom may also be needing help.
[10:36] <jjovereats> bump
[10:37] <jjovereats> .
[10:37] <jjovereats> .
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[10:37] <hyperair> O_o
[10:37] <hyperair> blew up?
[10:38] <bazhang> muted
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[11:28] <jjovereats> O_o?
[11:45] <leszek> hi
[13:51] <retku> So hey, I have failed to install ubuntu 9.10, 10.04LTS and 10.10 and lubuntu 10.10. only the 9.04 ubuntu did install correctly. Laptop is Fujitsu Siemens Amilo V2000
[13:51] <retku>  Should I try lubuntu 10.10 alternative cd or xubuntu 10.10?
[13:59] <kosaidpo> hello people
[14:01] <kosaidpo> anynoe have a fix to turn the panel tranparent in lubuntu i read on the web that its caused of pcmanfm but i found no fix thanks
[14:03] <retku> Well I burned ubuntu alternative to cd and now booting, hope that works with my Fujitsu Siemens Amilo V2000
[14:04] <kosaidpo> retku: good luck
[14:20] <kosaidpo> guys cud this solve my issue i dont understand the procces of it ,if someone will help wud be cool https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=831135#p831135
[14:22] <phillw> kosaidpo: I understand that the transparancy issue is a known bug, if you read the email you sent to the support team.
[14:22] <kosaidpo> phillw: yeh i did it says its an issue from pcmanfm
[14:23] <phillw> we have to wait for pcman to get time to fix it. He will get it fixed.
[14:24] <kosaidpo> phillw: and can you please check this out https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=831135#p831135 and tell me if ill fix it
[14:26] <phillw> you can try it out, the guy didn't report it completely breaking his system.
[14:26] <retku> What is the main difference between xubuntu and lubuntu?
[14:27] <kosaidpo> xubuntu use the xcfe desktop envimeent ad lubuntu use LXDE
[14:28] <kosaidpo> this is the main one to me since i dont kno how to deep my noise in this things :P
[14:30] <phillw> retku: lubuntu needs about 1/3 of the resources of a computer than xubuntu or ubuntu.
[14:31] <retku> so the ram is needed like: Ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu highnest first?
[14:32] <phillw> ubuntu and xubuntu need about the same RAM, lubuntu needs about 1/2 of it.
[14:33] <retku> Oh, then lubuntu should be best from those to old laptop with 256MB RAM.
[14:35] <phillw> retku: yes, and if you're on an older laptop with 256MB it's best to use the ethernet lead and go via a minimal install method.
[19:38] <retku> How can I set software center to the menus?
[19:39] <retku> now I can only use it with command line
[19:59] <Kurdistan> phillw hurry up
[20:00] <Kurdistan> I want the bug of lubuntu menu not fully translated
[20:00] <Kurdistan> I fixed so one person can take care of that
[20:00] <phillw> Kurdistan: pop it onto the mailing list, it will get integrated.
[20:01] <Kurdistan> phillw this person have translate alot of lxde things to swedish
[20:02] <phillw> Kurdistan: then he should be familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations if not, ask him to read and join.
[20:03] <Kurdistan> phillw thx
[20:03] <Kurdistan> phillw can you give me a link about the bug
[20:03] <retku> How can I set software center to the menus/desktop shortcut?
[20:04] <phillw> Kurdistan: not off the top of my head, if you ask on the mailing list I'm sure gilir will tell you of the bug or make a new one for you.
[20:05] <Kurdistan> phillw, you gave me information from your forum about the two big bugs.
[20:05] <Kurdistan> can you give it to me
[20:09] <phillw> Kurdistan: they're not on my forum, they are on the main wiki area at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat/
[20:11] <Kurdistan> done
[20:12] <Kurdistan> he will take care
[21:01] <Mikelevel> any special package for laptops?
[22:47] <Guest19566> do i need to do something special to talk to someone for help on an issue?


[12:14] <Burgwork> hello LaserJock
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi Burgwork
[08:28] <mdke> morning
[08:29] <mdke> haha
[08:29] <mdke> "dash off a little wiki page"
[08:55] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:55] <jsgotangco> stop fan boy-ing bshumate
[08:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:58] <mdke> what can I say
[08:58] <mdke> we need people who write things in this team :)
[09:00] <jsgotangco> :P
[09:02] <mdke> -> work
[09:28] <damnhil> how do I make words bold or italic in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ edit?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> bold is '''your text'''
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I believe italic is ''yourtext''
[10:37] <jsgotangco> mdke, i dunno, the shorter page is much better but we still have 1/4 white space at the right...
[11:21] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:02] <jsgotangco> yo!
[03:04] <Madpilot> morning all
[03:04] <highvoltage> yo js

[03:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, as I said, that's intentional: white space makes it easier to read
[03:27] <jsgotangco> looks pretty bad to me in my opinion
[03:28] <mdke> ok
[03:29] <mdke> we need some white space, it is pretty universally acknowledged that it helps readability I believe
[03:29] <mdke> we can try changing the layout though
[03:29] <LaserJock> mdke: meeting?
[03:29] <mdke> can't make it, am busy at work
[03:33] <mdke> :/
[03:34] <LaserJock> mdke: well, that's a bummer
[03:34] <mdke> i can never make this time of day
[03:35] <jsgotangco> mdke, we'll just have to do with 22:00UTC meetings next time
[03:35] <jsgotangco> because 14:00UTC is an unholy hour for most of you
[03:36] <Madpilot> 2200UTC I'm almost always at work (with no IRC access...) - awful as it is, 1400Z is usually the only time I can make it :P
[03:36] <jsgotangco> i'll just wake up earlier :)
[03:37] <mdke> i can do this time at weekends, i guess
[03:38] <jsgotangco> its ok we'll just do 22:00 to 24:00 rob doesn't come much lately, we did this sched for him
[03:44] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, sorry about that
[03:45] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: no problem, it's hard to find a time that half-works for most people...
[08:19] <LaserJock> heah, is String Freeze when all the docs have to be finalized?
[08:20] <mdke> yes, no string changes after that
[08:23] <LaserJock> hmm, on DapperReleaseSchedule there is String Freeze and Documentation String Freeze, what's the difference?
[08:24] <mdke> String Freeze applies to programs, Documentation SF applies to documentation
[08:24] <jjesse> there is some time between the two so docs can up with programs
[08:24] <LaserJock> oh, duh
[08:28] <LaserJock> I'm trying to gauge what can/should be done for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[08:46] <LaserJock> bshumate: how long did it take you to write the LinuxLogFiles page?
[09:03] <mgalvin> hey guys, i just sent and email to the list but LiveCDPersistence is ready for review if anyone has time, thnx
[09:08] <Burgwork> mgalvin, you want to cc the devel is list on that? I under the live cd stuff might change over time
[09:08] <mgalvin> i already ping Mithrandir about it, i will be sure work those issues with him to make sure the doc stays current
[09:09] <mgalvin> Burgwork: but thnx for the pointer
[09:10] <Burgwork> mgalvin, having what to do documented is also useful for figuring out which parts to automate and make easier
[09:10] <mgalvin> yup, definitely
[09:11] <Burgwork> maybe at the bottom of that page we could have a link or a section about hacking on the livecd stuff ot make it better, who to talk to and what needs to be done
[09:13] <LaserJock> mgalvin: oh, cool. I've been waiting for this. I used to use Knoppix with a usbstick
[09:14] <Burgwork> we just need a gui now
[09:15] <mgalvin> Burgwork: sure... you want to add it or shall I?
[09:15] <LaserJock> where did capser-cow come from ?
[09:15] <Burgwork> mgalvin, go nuts, I know next to nothing
[09:15] <Burgwork> LaserJock, the name?
[09:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:15] <mgalvin> LaserJock: hehe, that what they called it
[09:16] <mgalvin> Burgwork: ok i'll add that info
[09:16] <Burgwork> http://www.bcdb.com/cartoon_synopsis/15929-Puss_%27n_Boos.html
[09:16] <Burgwork> ^ the only non ubuntu related link I could find
[09:18] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:19] <LaserJock> do the daily-live's actually work or would it be better to try Flight2/3 ?
[09:19] <mgalvin> Burgwork: actually i'll check with tollef first and make sure he is ok with putting his info and stuff there
[09:20] <mgalvin> LaserJock: i tried yesterdays daily-live and had a few issues, but it did work for tollef, but he wrote it, no one else has really tested it yet
[09:20] <mgalvin> try today's daily and find out ;)
[09:20] <mgalvin> i didn't try it yet
[09:20] <mgalvin> i will when i get home
[09:20] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[09:23] <mgalvin> LaserJock: this is what i ran into and found
[09:23] <mgalvin> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014534.html
[09:24] <LaserJock> oh, darn. I left all my sticks at home. I'll have to try it tomorrow


 @Javacookies [I guess this isn't one of those devices that are complicated and risky to flash …], just the normal follow steps - if error, clear caches again :)
 @mateosalta [just the normal follow steps - if error, clear caches again :)], looks like it....but the "not all devices are unlockable" really got me worried 😅
 Yeah, the special site that sends an unlock code
 I remember another brand stoped unlocking some of their older phines
 [Edit] I remember another brand stoped unlocking some of their older phoned
 [Edit] I remember another brand stoped unlocking some of their older phones
 aftet 15 updates I'm now in Android 8.0...not sure if it's the last..for a moment it shows I'm updated but something came up again
 my MX4 has been performing well since I bought my Xperia X 😂
[03:29] <ubptgbot> Uhuuyy8 was added by: Uhuuyy8
 @Javacookies [aftet 15 updates I'm now in Android 8.0...not sure if it's the last..for a momen …], I did it that way the first time too. Took days to update. You could of course download an Android 8.0.0 image and flash that to speed up the process. 🤓
 yeah but I already started this way so just trust the process...long process 😄
[06:23] <ubptgbot> SentinelSpike was added by: SentinelSpike
 (Voice, 1s) https://irc.ubports.com/olRDhdhZ.oga
 Any Xperia X users have issues when a text comes in the audio for the text notification sounds jumpy. Even when the phone rings its like it cannot complete the audio file its using in a constant stream.
 recovery mode always restarts so I can't continue with the installtion.🙁
 it says couldnt load botmap icon
[07:55] <ubptgbot> H was added by: H
 okay, after 23 updates finally got UT 😄 … just had to wipe stuffs via twrp and it went through
 Arm64?
 kugi, how does it compare to the nexus 5?
 @malditobastardo [Arm64?], yeah I tried arm64 for now though I'm not sure if it's ready as daily driver
 @markvesime [kugi, how does it compare to the nexus 5?], so far I think it's similar to Nexus 5
 except the battery lasts a lot longer!
[09:02] <ubptgbot> Hanson Ronan was added by: Hanson Ronan
[09:06] <ubptgbot> <Hanson Ronan> Any UBports developer?
[09:06] <ubptgbot> <Hanson Ronan> Pm me
 @markvesime [except the battery lasts a lot longer!], haven't lasted a full battery yet to kkow but I would think it will since Nexus 5 isn't known to have good battery
 Just watt to htx the UB touch team for Nour great wok and dedication. I have been using the nexus 5 as my dayli driver fore atleast a month now and it works great!
 *your
 congrats and welcome to world of UT 😄
 @Hanson Ronan [Pm me], Seeing that everyone is quite busy as is, I doubt you will get much reaction unless you give some incentive to do so.
 @Hanson Ronan [Pm me], [Edit] Seeing that everyone is quite busy as is, I doubt you will get much reaction unless you give some incentive to do so. … Like maybe some background info or such
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <Hanson Ronan> @ArubIslander [Seeing that everyone is quite busy as is, I doubt you will get much reaction unl …], Yeah I don't why people so busy
 Holidays...
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <Hanson Ronan> Busy with family I guess
 not sure if I was just imagining things but I think I saw Dalton use fingerprint on an Xperia X but I don't see that option on mine....probably something that's still missing in the arm64 build?
 @Javacookies [not sure if I was just imagining things but I think I saw Dalton use fingerprint …], oohh, hmmm, interesting.
 do you guys have any issues with bluetooth speakers, the sound is very glitchy when I try to connect to a bluetooth car adapter.  Seems to work fine on android.
 [Edit] do you guys have any issues with bluetooth speakers on the Xperia A, the sound is very glitchy when I try to connect to a bluetooth car adapter.  Seems to work fine on android.
 [Edit] do you guys have any issues with bluetooth speakers on the Xperia X, the sound is very glitchy when I try to connect to a bluetooth car adapter.  Seems to work fine on android.
 @wayneTBT [do you guys have any issues with bluetooth speakers on the Xperia X, the sound i …], are you using armfh or arm64 (egde)?
 how would I know?
 uname -a provides the following... … aarch64
 @wayneTBT [how would I know?], depends on what you selected during installation
 ok, that was quite a while ago, I cant remember what I did yesterday 😁
 I jsut tried connecting to my av receiver....my xperia x hanged 😅
 oh it's moving again
 sound works fine
 ah, ok.  Interesting, thanks for checking.
 Perhaps I give it another shot.
 bluetooth on UT can be a bit picky with compatibility, you can really have different experiences depending on your BT device
 my JBL Go crashes UT though it's working better since the recent updates … my LG speaker works well on the get go
 @Javacookies [my JBL Go crashes UT though it's working better since the recent updates … my LG s …], The new go version works fine. It's the old one that doesn't play
 i have the old one and it does work now though I think not perfect yet but usable
 before it just crashes blutooth on UT and make the whole system sluggish until a reboot
 @Javacookies [bluetooth on UT can be a bit picky with compatibility, you can really have diffe …], ok, thanks for the heads up on this.  I have tested it with my  TV bluetooth speaker.  I get the occasional glitch but its handleable
 However my car bluetooh adapter is just unuseable.
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 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yn7nhTFDVj/   … Could anyone please help me solve this error
 @vsvoid [https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yn7nhTFDVj/   … Could anyone please help me solve this …], please don't cross-post. this is more appropriate for halium group where you posted it already. please be patient there
[14:44] <ubptgbot> arbsbdh was added by: arbsbdh
[15:09] <ubptgbot> Crystal Santos was added by: Crystal Santos
 I have this click package that gets removed every time I reboot my device. this is great for the download stats of the app in the store, but could anyone give me a pointer as to where I should be looking to disable this behavior?
[15:44] <ubptgbot> Mr Stane was added by: Mr Stane
[15:44] <ubptgbot> <Mr Stane> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Pbo2dM7G.png
[16:21] <ubptgbot> <Tonia Kaymen> https://i.imgur.com/EzEZJB7.jpg
 another question about Xperia X since I'm exciyed with my new phone 😄 … anyone else notice sometimes it's hard to do bottom gestures like in morph? … not sure if it's a hardware thing or maybe because I changed the scaling to a bit smaller
 also, auto-brightness seems to stay in the lowest level
 I guess I should try armfh first to see of these are amr64 specific issues 😅
[17:49] <ubptgbot> <Crystal Santos> Google announced crypto event! 😍😍 … Info https://bit.ly/2YhrZjy
[18:40] <ubptgbot> sevralti was added by: sevralti
 Hi
[18:45] <ubptgbot> a179179 was added by: a179179
 Hi. Is there any modern smartphone which is supported by Ubuntu touch?  … I could not find any here: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ . Only old models. Impossible to buy a new device. Only used. … Please advice
 pinephone is new
 vollaphone is new
 but obviously a brand new device is not necessary to use ubuntu touch
 @a179179 [Hi. Is there any modern smartphone which is supported by Ubuntu touch?  … I could …], Oneplus 6T, Redmi, Mi A
 And other new devices..
 @dohbee [pinephone is new], It is "out of stock" always ...
 @dohbee [vollaphone is new], Will check it thanks!
 @sevralti [Oneplus 6T, Redmi, Mi A], Tnx a lot
 Redmi 4-5
 I am using OnePlus 6T
 And UBports
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/X9Ner1UG.png
[19:20] <ubptgbot> AlexROdessa was added by: AlexROdessa
 @a179179 [Hi. Is there any modern smartphone which is supported by Ubuntu touch?  … I could …], You can choose any android phone and google it like "redmi 9 ubuntu touch" for example
 @sevralti [Oneplus 6T, Redmi, Mi A], Mi A2 has early ubports support through the GSI as well, although it's not perfect
 @sevralti [I am using OnePlus 6T], Any known bugs regarding cells/GSM ?
 @Ern_st [Any known bugs regarding cells/GSM ?], Sim 1 is not working, you need to put your sim in slot 2
 github.com/ubports-oneplus6
 Also, morph browser is crashing when im logged in on gitea
 Im away from home and cant check the logs or anything, because all I have is this phone
 Ok thanks, not problem with loss of network time to time ?
 [Edit] Ok thanks, no problem with loss of network time to time ?
 @Ern_st [Ok thanks, no problem with loss of network time to time ?], Not really it only loses wifi sometimes
 But thats rare ans you are connecting again after screen turns on


[01:50] <chu> Where has ubottu gone?
[02:09] <Unit193> Lost in netsplits.
[02:09] <chu> Thought sso.
[03:02] <Unit193> chu: Think something would be useful for now?
[03:03] <chu> I'm not sure how needed it is right now, just CodeMuse in #u-o was pestering about the lack of ubottu, and I noticed it had gone from #ubuntu too.


[00:12] <Maik> guiverc: hasn't 20.04.2 release always been scheduled at the 4th of Feb? I don't know of any other date to be honest
[00:15] <guiverc> it was originally 4th, moved to 11th (see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-schedule-20-04-2-feb-4-or-feb-11-contradiction/ ) but now back to 4th
[00:15] <guiverc> Maik, ^
[00:15] <guiverc> actually post 2 is better, contradiction of dates..
[00:16] <Maik> guiverc: thanks


[06:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4821 Diff missing
[10:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4824 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4824 Failed to build
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4824 Failed to build


[15:35] <Makyo> frankban, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5588045/
[15:42] <frankban> Makyo: https://codereview.appspot.com/7483043
[15:49] <frankban> rogpeppe: hi, when you have time, could you please take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/7483043 (annotation internals) and https://codereview.appspot.com/7444052 (CharmInfo API call) ?
[15:49] <rogpeppe> frankban: will do
[15:49] <frankban> rogpeppe: thanks!
[15:52] <frankban> Makyo: lp:~frankban/juju-core/bug-1147138-annotations-api
[16:06] <goodspud> bcsaller, bcsaller_, buzz me anytime you want to talk
[16:06] <goodspud> About your branch
[16:06] <bcsaller> goodspud: we can do it now, as a warning its pretty ugly right now
[16:06] <goodspud> :)
[16:06] <goodspud> Ugly is beautiful
[16:07] <goodspud> Popping to the hangout
[16:07] <bcsaller_> ha, we can try it with a screen share but you'll most likely want a charm and I haven't set that up yet
[16:13] <sinzui> abentley, rick_h_ jcsackett: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B1IM--9A1RkTeENUcHlqMGltMFU/edit is the transition doc
[16:13] <sinzui> There is a slow and fast easing presentation
[16:14] <Makyo> teknico, lp:~makyo/juju-core/jujuapi
[16:15] <teknico> bac, lp:~makyo/juju-core/jujuapi
[16:35] <Makyo> bac, http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#embedding
[18:19] <teknico> bac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rogpeppe/juju-core/212-api-doc/view/head:/doc/draft/api.txt
[18:21] <rick_h_>  hatch ping, is there support for templates in subapp or does that need to be wired to templates.js as well?
[19:52] <gary_poster> benji http://paste.ubuntu.com/5588644/
[20:10] <benji> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5588673/
[20:10] <benji> gary_poster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5588673/
[21:08] <abentley> gary_poster: apt-get install sshuttle; sshuttle -r $MYBOOTSTRAP_NODE $SUBNET_OF_BOOTSTRAP_NODE
[21:10] <Makyo> bac, lp:~makyo/juju-core/clientserver
[22:56] <rogpeppe1> Makyo: https://codereview.appspot.com/7499043/