[12:16] <Scorpaen> adept installer - how do i set it to ask me more configure questions during pkg install?
[12:16] <Scorpaen> or is that dpkg?
[12:18] <mrksbrd> ok the sudo apt-get command was easy enough
[12:18] <Semilios> HELLO _
[12:18] <Semilios> Sorry its important
[12:18] <nosredna> stepmanic: hey,sorry,
[12:18] <Semilios> what command starts the install wizard??
[12:18] <zimmo> !support
[12:18] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:18] <Semilios> I got no INSTALL ICON on the Desktop
[12:18] <nosredna> IRC kicked me off, and then I couldn't get back on..
[12:19] <AhDiCt3D> afk
[12:19] <nicolai_> !patience | Semilios
[12:19] <ubotu> Semilios: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:19] <nosredna> stepmanic: I cannot talk via PM.
[12:19] <stepmanic> nosredna: ah ok:)
[12:20] <nicolai_> Semilios: Click the blue K
[12:20] <nosredna> stepmanic: so save that file...
[12:20] <mrksbrd> ok next ?.....I have an intel pro 2200bg wireless card I need to get working.....any ideas genii?????????
[12:20] <stepmanic> well, ive done that^
[12:20] <Semilios> nicolai_: and then?
[12:21] <Scorpaen> dpkg -- how do i get it to ask me more questions during package install? i did it once now i can't remember. i've re-installed
[12:21] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok... then run "sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/startxgl.sh"
[12:21] <nicolai_> Semilios: If you are still using the live-cd the icon should appear somewhere in the menu. Probably in system.
[12:21] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:21] <nicolai_> Semilios: If you have already installed the install icon is no longer there since it isn't necessary
[12:22] <Semilios> nicolai_: its not installed yet
[12:22] <Semilios> found the icon
[12:22] <Semilios> thank you
[12:23] <DaSkreech> mrksbrd: Welcome!
[12:23] <Dragnslcr> Don't suppose anyone here has worked with kvm? When I try to start a virtual machine, it hangs at "Loading..." and uses 100% of one of my CPU cores
[12:23] <nicolai_> Semilios: No problem. I tried the same thing with Dapper
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Semilios: Live CD?
[12:23] <stepmanic> nosredna: now then:P?
[12:24] <DaSkreech> !kvm
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok I have to look for something on my computer
[12:25] <stepmanic> nosredna: sure, ill be here waiting then :)
[12:26] <nosredna> sorry this is taking so long,I'm doing some other things off of my computer
[12:26] <genii> mrksbrd: Looking for a comprehensive tutorial
[12:26] <stepmanic> nosredns: no problem:) just gald to get someone to walk me throu this!
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> DaSkreech- already posted on ubuntuforums.org and I'm in #kvm. No luck yet
[12:27] <mrksbrd> i just need to learn the basic commands an what each is used for
[12:27] <DaSkreech> Dragnslcr: You can ask in #ubuntu as well. It's not a kde issue
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> DaSkreech- yeah, I tried once last night and nobody answered. I might try again
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> Apparently Google likes ubuntuforums.org. Search for "kvm loading hang" and my thread is the fourth result
[12:29] <nosredna> hey everyone.... where is the kdm sessions file found?
[12:30] <genii> mrksbrd: This one is pretty straightforward: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/03/27/9-how-to-ipw2200-getting-intel-pro-wireless-2200-bg-to-work-on-debian-ubuntu
[12:30] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[12:30] <nosredna> never mind
[12:30] <apecat> I have a kubuntu edgy machine (an hp laptop) that has satrted to shut down all the time right after startup
[12:30] <apecat> any known issues?
[12:30] <graft> put your battery back in!
[12:30] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok run this "kdesu kate /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop"
[12:31] <graft> apecat: does it get to boot stage? did you drop it? overheat it?
[12:31] <nosredna> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:31] <mrksbrd> genii have you ever tried to get an aircard to work on linux?
[12:31] <graft> apecat: does it make weird beeping noises before it shuts down?
[12:31] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:32] <apecat> no, everything's normal. it gets past booting, and i'm (or more accurately, my now hysterical sister x( ) able to log in
[12:32] <nosredna> ok.
[12:33] <apecat> but after a minute or two it shuts down, in a controlled way
[12:33] <genii> mrksbrd: No. I don't use wireless much myself.
[12:33] <apecat> as if i'd run shutdown -h or pressing the kde shutdown button
[12:34] <nosredna> any hotkeys you might have pressed?
[12:34] <apecat> nope
[12:35] <nosredna> stepmanic:  ok, put this in that file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32093/
[12:35] <nosredna> without the line #'s ofcourse
[12:35] <nicolai_> apecat: Have you tried using the Live-cd  to see if it is a clean issue?
[12:35] <apecat> hmm, could try
[12:35] <stepmanic> nosredna: done
[12:35] <graft> apecat: is this on battery, or plugged in?
[12:35] <apecat> plugged in
[12:36] <graft> apecat: does ACPI report the battery being plugged in correctly?
[12:36] <stepmanic> nosredna: cant save
[12:36] <JOEYYYYYY> Im new to kubuntu but i just downloaded limewire for linux and its a .deb file. What i install it with.
[12:36] <nosredna> stepmanic: did you run KDESU kate?
[12:36] <stepmanic> ye
[12:36] <graft> JOEYYYYYY: install gtk-gnutella instead, it's much lighter and faster than limewire, it's free software, and it doesn't require java
[12:36] <apecat> graft: how do i check that from a command line?
[12:37] <JOEYYYYYY> ok thanks
[12:37] <graft> apecat: cat /proc/acpi/battery/something
[12:37] <apecat> k
[12:37] <stepmanic> nosredna: Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available
[12:37] <x_link> Hi..
[12:37] <BluesKaj> JOEYYYYYY, type./ in front of the filename in the terminal
[12:37] <ZombB> Hi everybody!
[12:37] <stepmanic> nosredna: and i have plenty^^
[12:37] <demperor> hi
[12:37] <demperor> wussup
[12:37] <nosredna> stepmanic: yeah,well did you run "kdesu kate <file location>"?
[12:37] <demperor> so why amarok isn't playihg wma files?
[12:37] <x_link> For Windows there is a couple of programs like EasyTune5m Everest, CPU-Z etc. that shows the cpu-clock RAM speed, VCore, fan rpm etc.
[12:38] <demperor> you know those from m$$$$$$
[12:38] <stepmanic> nosredna: yep i did
[12:38] <x_link> Isn't there any program like that for Kubuntu?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> yeah frostwire or whatever it is terrible ...amule is VG
[12:38] <nosredna> stepmanic: you SURE? redo it.
[12:38] <x_link> Anybody?
[12:39] <stepmanic> nosredna: kdesu kate /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop
[12:39] <nosredna> stepmanic: it saves fine for me.....
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> x_link: all of that info's in /proc somewhere
[12:39] <JOEYYYYYY> gaft, is it easy installing java for linux?
[12:40] <stepmanic> nosredna: well, dont here.. and that was a copy-paste of what i wrote ><
[12:40] <graft> JOEYYYYYY: i've never found it so, but i haven't tried recently
[12:40] <nosredna> stepmanic: try "sudo vim /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop"
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> x_link: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:40] <nosredna> then press "i" for insert mode
[12:40] <nosredna> paste that stuff
[12:40] <nosredna> "esc"
[12:41] <nosredna> and then type ":x" then press enter
[12:41] <solarwaver> vzduch have u ever try to install grub?
[12:42] <vzduch> solarwaver: most of the time I let that be handled by the OS installer.. I believe I installed it by hand once
[12:42] <solarwaver> vzduch how do u install it auto?
[12:42] <JOEYYYYYY> Man kunbuntu is nice, my school is making us use fedora.
[12:42] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: I know that.
[12:42] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: I want GUI.
[12:43] <vzduch> solarwaver: it just gets installed as the last step in the installer
[12:43] <x_link> That shows the MHz of the RAM etc.
[12:43] <stepmanic> nosredna: nop :\
[12:43] <nosredna> stepmanic: same thing?
[12:43] <solarwaver> of kubuntu?
[12:44] <stepmanic> nosredna: no, nothing happens
[12:44] <Daisuke_Ido> kinfocenter?
[12:44] <nosredna> nothing happens when?
[12:44] <solarwaver> vzduch ok f..k that how i do it inhand mode ?
[12:44] <stepmanic> nosredna: ok gonna try again
[12:46] <graft> wow... i've never seen kinfocenter before
[12:46] <graft> how neat
[12:46] <graft> hmm... how... basic, actually
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> graft: yeah, it's just a gui frontend for the info you can get from /proc
[12:47] <stepmanic> nosredna: no i cant save it no mather what i try :s
[12:47] <pedja> anyubody from serbia here?
[12:47] <Morthy> Heh, I've been using Ubuntu for around 6 hours for the first time, and apparently I'm using around 99% of my ram, but everything seems to be running smoothly.. is this normal?
[12:47] <pedja> anybody who can help me with something
[12:48] <stepmanic> nosredna: now it say i should remove the swap-file
[12:48] <graft> Morthy: yep, normal... linux doesn't really do well at reporting memory usage
[12:49] <Morthy> Ah ok, cheers
[12:49] <Morthy> Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3200 MHz (6400 bogomips), HD: 180/260GB, RAM: 994/1011MB, 138 proc's, 6.21h up
[12:49] <Morthy> ^^
[12:49] <Pardalz> hello...
[12:49] <Pardalz> i need some help :>
[12:50] <BluesKaj> !ask | pedja, Pardalz
[12:50] <ubotu> pedja, Pardalz: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:50] <Pardalz> ?o
[12:50] <Pardalz> :o
[12:50] <Pardalz> ok..
[12:50] <nosredna> stepmanic: what does it say when you try to ":x->enter"?
[12:50] <pedja> well
[12:50] <Pardalz> i dont know how to mount my hd in ubuntu ?>
[12:50] <pedja> i cant connect to #krstarica
[12:50] <pedja> anybody who can help?
[12:51] <Pardalz> ;x
[12:51] <stepmanic> nosredna: nothing at all.. it hangs. and now i cant start it again cause of swap-file
[12:52] <jacob> i am a new user to ubuntu, can somebody teach me how to change my splash window when i log in my account?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> pedja: what network is that on?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> what is #krstarica?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: not a freenode channel
[12:52] <pedja> irc.krstarica.com
[12:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding
[12:52] <pedja> or irc.krstrica.net
[12:52] <graft> jacob: your KDE splash window?
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> so connect to it
[12:53] <pedja> it is a web site
[12:53] <jacob> graft: well i'm on ubuntu, gnome
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> irc.* implies irc server, not website.
[12:53] <graft> jacob: well, you're in #kubuntu, might wanna try #ubuntu, eh
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> he's looking to change the gdm splash
[12:53] <BluesKaj> not implies , it means that :)
[12:54] <jacob> graft: i don't find one for ubuntu, that's how i ended up here
[12:54] <graft> even so...
[12:54] <Pardalz> help me plis?
[12:54] <Pardalz> :>
[12:54] <jacob> graft: but let me double check
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: #ubuntu
[12:55] <jacob> graft: there's no ubuntu or i don't know how to do it
[12:55] <nosredna> stepmanic: wow...
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, type mount in the konsole
[12:55] <Pardalz> just that?
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: /join #ubuntu
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> just type that
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> in here
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> jacob- it's the same network, just join #ubuntu instead of #kubuntu
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> remember the slash
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[12:55] <caboose_1980> click this *ubuntu
[12:55] <jacob> graft: where do i type that in?
[12:55] <nosredna> anyone know where the kdm sessions file is stored?
[12:55] <caboose_1980> #ubuntu
[12:56] <BluesKaj> the best is the server textbox
[12:56] <Aleksandersen> Hi, how can I uninstall mysql-common without removing Amarok? I have setup Amarok with a PostgreSQL database. So I do not need MySQL installed. Adept keeps saying I cannot uninstall mysql without removing Amarok. Suggestions?
[12:56] <jacob> ah ok thx i got it
[12:56] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: yes i do..
[12:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i am trying so SO hard right now
[12:57] <JOEYYYYYY> when i install adobe flash, should it be a .tar .gz file. .rpm file. for kibuntu 7.04?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> not rpm , tar.gz
[12:58] <JOEYYYYYY> what program do i use for that.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> !rpm
[12:58] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> !tar
[12:58] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:58] <graft> isn't flash in the repository somewhere?
[12:58] <graft> !flash
[12:58] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:58] <JOEYYYYYY> Awesome, thanks.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> !botabuse
[12:58] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:59] <BluesKaj> oops
[12:59] <graft> who's botabusing?
[12:59] <graft> physician, heal thyself, BluesKaj!
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , really
[01:00] <BluesKaj> i think the heat is getting to me
[01:00] <JOEYYYYYY> Ok now i have flashplayer installer -kate
[01:00] <Pardalz> i need some files from my windows xp..  my HD is sata.. and i dont know how to do that :>
[01:00] <JOEYYYYYY> what is that.
[01:00] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm... kinda stuck atm :s you too?
[01:01] <nosredna> yeah.
[01:01] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, this is linux , need help with windows try ##windows
[01:01] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: no.. i wont use windows anymore..
[01:02] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm... kinda stuck atm :s you too?
[01:02] <Pardalz> i only want my files in the partition
[01:02] <stepmanic> nosredna: ops.. what about /usr/share/xsessions/?
[01:02] <nosredna> just about to suggets that!
[01:02] <graft> Pardalz: you can mount the drive, probably
[01:02] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, you can use ntfs-3g amd ntfs-config to access windows partitions
[01:02] <stepmanic> :P
[01:02] <BluesKaj> from linux
[01:03] <nosredna> stepmanic: yeah, make a file in there called xgl.desktop
[01:03] <nosredna> and paste that stuff
[01:03] <CensorBard> So. I'm trying to install KMuddy from a tarball. Extracted the contents, got as far as ./configure, and then I am greeted with a message that my C compiler cannot make executables. Help?
[01:03] <graft> zuh?
[01:03] <stepmanic> nosredna: yep done^-^ worked
[01:04] <graft> CensorBard: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:04] <BluesKaj> CensorBard, install build-essential
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: where i type it
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: i try in console
[01:04] <stepmanic> nosredna: so then what:P?
[01:04] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: sorry... but im so newbie
[01:04] <BluesKaj> Pardalz, yes
[01:04] <graft> !mount
[01:04] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:05] <CensorBard> ....yeah, that might help a lot.
[01:05] <graft> hrmm
[01:05] <graft> !fstab
[01:05] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:05] <graft> bah
[01:05] <Pardalz> :o it knows all?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> that's ok Pardalz , I'm still learning too
[01:07] <Pardalz> tkx all..
[01:07] <CensorBard> ...It's asking for X includes. I'm guess that's referring to X window?
[01:08] <CensorBard> Error message in question: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:08] <stepmanic> nosredna: so... thats it or what^^? nothing more needed?
[01:09] <graft> CensorBard: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[01:09] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok, log out. then there will be a little list button or such, click it and select xgl
[01:09] <nosredna> then log back in
[01:10] <stepmanic> ok will do :D
[01:10] <stepmanic> brb
[01:10] <nosredna> WAIT!!
[01:10] <jabba> hello
[01:10] <jabba> i am trying to mount a nfs-share from a nfs-v3 server
[01:11] <jabba> sudo mount -v -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/hdd/movie /mnt/dreambox/
[01:11] <jabba> mount to NFS server '<IP_ADDRESS>' failed.
[01:11] <jabba> RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )
[01:11] <JOEYYYYYY> error your acrchitecture x86_64 is not supported by the adobe flash player installer.
[01:11] <JOEYYYYYY> what architecture do i need then?
[01:11] <jabba> does anyone know that problem?
[01:11] <graft> hmm, i know this... you're not running portmap or something
[01:12] <jabba> graft, portmap is runnign on the client
[01:12] <graft> or, maybe you don't have permissions to mount that drive?
[01:12] <jabba> root
[01:12] <graft> what's your export look like?
[01:12] <graft> i mean, permissions from the server
[01:12] <jabba> hmm
[01:12] <jabba> there is no real export-file
[01:12] <graft> zuh?
[01:12] <graft> /etc/exports
[01:12] <graft> if you don't have that, nothing will work
[01:13] <jabba> it works
[01:13] <jabba> from another box
[01:13] <graft> then you must have it
[01:13] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: RPC error seems to indicate portmap is not running. can you check again and/or restart portmap?
[01:13] <Pardalz> !fstab
[01:13] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:13] <jabba>  /media/hdd/movie <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:13] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: on the client?
[01:14] <jabba> i did several times
[01:14] <stepmanic> nosredna: i could log in this time^^
[01:14] <graft> jabba: restart the server-side stuff
[01:14] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: yes, try restarting /etc/init.d/portmap on the client
[01:14] <nosredna> great, so I think you are in XGL now
[01:14] <jabba> i did
[01:14] <jabba> again
[01:14] <stepmanic> yep
[01:14] <Pardalz> !how_edit_Fstab
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how_edit_fstab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <nosredna> try a fglrxinfo, and if it says "direct rendering no" you are!
[01:14] <jabba> it is a client-side problem
[01:14] <jabba> from another box i can mount it
[01:14] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: there's a command to check what RPCs are active - let me try to find that
[01:14] <graft> jabba: what's the machine you're mounting from? LAN ip?
[01:15] <jabba> yes
[01:15] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> is server
[01:15] <nosredna> stepmanic: now try running "beryl-xgl" and then "beryl-manager"
[01:15] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> is kubuntu feisty and connot mount
[01:15] <nosredna> second command will require you doing a "alt+f2"
[01:15] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> is another dreambox .. can mount
[01:15] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: have you exported to the particular client you are connecting from?
[01:15] <jabba> see above
[01:15] <graft> seems like it
[01:16] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> is allowed
[01:16] <stepmanic> nosredna: couldnt run beryl-xgl, but i can run beryl-manager
[01:16] <jabba> it worked before on my pc
[01:16] <jabba> with debian etch
[01:16] <graft> are you running statd on the client?
[01:16] <jabba> now with kubuntu feisty nfs-client rejects working
[01:16] <nosredna> stepmanic: what happened with beryl-xgl?
[01:17] <jabba> graf, ps ax | grep statd
[01:17] <jabba> no statd
[01:17] <graft> hrmrm...
[01:17] <graft> do you have hosts.deny and such set up correctly?
[01:17] <stepmanic> nosredna: command not found
[01:17] <jabba> what is correctly?
[01:18] <Pardalz> wht means " The system reported: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,"
[01:18] <jabba> and what if i cheged them?
[01:18] <graft> well, do you have lines for NFS in there?
[01:18] <jabba> *changed them
[01:18] <nosredna> stepmanic: oh, ok. run "beryl" then
[01:18] <nosredna> I think you are using a newer version than I am
[01:18] <jabba> graf, oh excuse me
[01:18] <jabba> statd is runnig
[01:18] <jabba> on client
[01:19] <jabba>  /sbin/rpc.statd
[01:19] <graft> okay... on server, cat /etc/hosts.deny
[01:19] <graft> and cat /etc/hosts.allow
[01:19] <graft> see what it says for portmap, etc.
[01:20] <jabba> hosts.allow:
[01:20] <nosredna> or just select beryl from a rightclick on beryl-manager->select window manager
[01:20] <stepmanic> nosredna: hmm.. it started, but all the windowsdecorations dissappeared and i couldnt type anything
[01:20] <jabba> portmap: 192.168.0.*
[01:20] <jabba> rpc.mountd: 192.168.0.*
[01:20] <nosredna> stepmanic: ok, thats fine
[01:20] <nosredna> start beryl-manager
[01:20] <jabba> hosts.deny is empty
[01:21] <graft> well if hosts.deny is empty it's not even in issue
[01:21] <nosredna> stepmanic: start beryl-manager first, then beryl
[01:21] <jabba> do i need it?
[01:21] <graft> eh... if you're paranoid
[01:21] <jabba> no
[01:21] <jabba> :D
[01:21] <jabba> not at home
[01:21] <stepmanic> i did
[01:22] <nosredna> stepmanic: when all the title bars disappear, right click on beryl-manager icon->select windowmanager->beryl
[01:22] <jabba> and hosts.allow is ok?
[01:22] <graft> is there an ALL: line in there?
[01:22] <nosredna> stepmanic: and I have to go..... if you have any probelms go to #ubuntu-effects
[01:22] <jabba> in allow?
[01:22] <nosredna> bye
[01:22] <Pardalz> exirt
[01:22] <stepmanic> nosredna:yeh tnx for all the help:)
[01:22] <graft> yeah
[01:22] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: can you try the following command: rpcinfo -p
[01:22] <jabba> no
[01:22] <stepmanic> nosredna: works great now^^
[01:23] <demperor> hi
[01:23] <demperor> Spanish learning software for Kubuntu?
[01:23] <demperor> thanks
[01:23] <nosredna> stepmanic: all good? GREAT! have fun!
[01:23] <stepmanic> nosredna: will do:P
[01:23] <graft> jabba: hrm... well might want to put in a line saying ALL: 192.168.0.
[01:25] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/6351
[01:25] <jabba> graft: what do i have to restart after editing hosts.allow?
[01:26] <jabba> i should eventually mention that the server is nfs v3
[01:26] <jabba> coould that be ab problem?
[01:26] <jabba> -b
[01:27] <graft> nah
[01:27] <jabba> would have wonderd myself.. witch etch (and afterwards lenny) it workd
[01:27] <jabba> out of the box.. :(
[01:28] <jabba> *with etch
[01:28] <graft> i dunno if you have to restart anything... hosts files usually just work
[01:28] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: I am using NFS (though v4) and I do not have anything in /etc/hosts.allow. Used to use NFSv3 earlier and never had anything in hosts.allow there either
[01:28] <mrksbrd> ok i'm still lost.....i'm trying to install my 2200bg built in wireless card, and i have no clue what to do, i have the driver already, and the firmware update.....what is the first thing i need to do with a tar.gz file(what would be the command to untar it)
[01:28] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: strange ...
[01:29] <graft> as i said, just for the paranoid
[01:29] <jabba> still the same fault
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: short answer: man tar
[01:29] <jabba> rps error: 15
[01:29] <jabba> erm
[01:29] <jabba> rpc
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: long answer: tar -zxvf <filename>
[01:30] <jabba> sundar_nagarajan: what about http://nopaste.debianforum.de/6351 ?
[01:30] <jabba> everything ok?
[01:30] <mrksbrd> everytime i do that it tells me "can't find directory"
[01:31] <mrksbrd> the file is saved on my desktop in a foldr I created
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to get to that folder then
[01:31] <graft> jabba, is your other box mounting it okay right now?
[01:31] <jabba> yes
[01:31] <mrksbrd> is it a basic cd command?
[01:31] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> mounts <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:32] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: your rpc stuff is up, and looks fine..
[01:32] <jabba> but my PC (<IP_ADDRESS>) cant
[01:32] <mrksbrd> ex: cd home/username/desktop/intel..........??????????
[01:32] <jabba> strange, isn't it?
[01:32] <graft> i'm assuming nfsd is running on the server
[01:32] <jabba> it _should_ work
[01:32] <sundar_nagarajan> when you do an exportfs -av on the NFS server do you see messages indicating exporting to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, do you have a home/yourname folder  ? that's the default folder for installing files
[01:33] <jabba> /media/hdd/movie
[01:33] <jabba>                 <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>(rw,wdelay,no_root_squash)
[01:33] <mrksbrd> i download them to my desktop, then put them into a folder after that
[01:33] <graft> why rw?
[01:33] <jabba> exports to the whole net <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:34] <jabba> why not?
[01:34] <jabba> :D
[01:34] <redshadowhero> wait... what does <IP_ADDRESS> do?
[01:34] <sundar_nagarajan> jabba: hmm.. I have exports enabled on a per host basis... but that should not matter
[01:35] <jabba> <IP_ADDRESS> can mount it
[01:35] <jabba> so <IP_ADDRESS> should be allowed too
[01:35] <graft> yeah, all that seems fine
[01:35] <graft> are you trying to mount it as root?
[01:35] <jabba> graft
[01:35] <jabba> sudo
[01:35] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, downloadthem to/home/yourname ...whatever your name is in the terminal "yourname@pcname
[01:36] <graft> well, uid 0 anyway...
[01:36] <jabba> yes
[01:36] <jabba> i also have an entry in fstab for it
[01:36] <jabba> fails also :)
[01:37] <jabba> i surrender.. :(
[01:37] <HomeRoey> hi again
[01:37] <jabba> capitulation
[01:38] <BluesKaj> for example: my pc name is den, my name is kaj so i use the default /home/kaj ...my terminal prompt is kaj@den
[01:38] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  I had to reset, and the soundcard no longer plays the music.  What's up with this?
[01:38] <HomeRoey> er
[01:38] <denny__> i have a compaq presario, and the usb is not showing up - nothing shows in kinfocenter under usb   (or /proc/) ???  works  fine in Windows - seached forums   -    no lead - any suggestions
[01:38] <graft> jabba: what happens if you do rpcinfo -p <IP_ADDRESS> from whatsit, the broken client?
[01:38] <HomeRoey> I have a problem with my on-board via82cxxx sound chip.. amarok is playing but I don't hear anything!  What could be up with this?
[01:39] <BluesKaj> denny__, in the terminal ' lsusb'
[01:39] <boris_> anybody knows good p2p dowmload program
[01:40] <denny__> BluesKaj: it did not return anything when I ran $ lsusb
[01:40] <BluesKaj> ktorrent
[01:40] <jabba> graft: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/13335/
[01:40] <jabba> rpcinfo -p <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:40] <mrksbrd> ok i moved them to my home dir
[01:40] <jabba> (the broken client)
[01:41] <genii> mrksbrd: Put a leading / before the word home
[01:41] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, now you need to tell the browser where to download
[01:41] <graft> jabba: umm... strange, no nfs available?
[01:42] <jabba> yes, indeed...
[01:42] <jabba> but it should
[01:42] <jabba> the other client can mount
[01:42] <graft> nfsd is running on the server?
[01:42] <jabba> why doesn't the kubutu client see nfsd?
[01:42] <boris_> how do i use ktorent
[01:42] <boris_> wher is search
[01:42] <boris_> and how do i conect
[01:43] <graft> boris_: should be a little search bar up top
[01:43] <jabba> boris on bittorent you dont search
[01:43] <graft> boris_: if you have the latest version
[01:43] <mrksbrd> ok what is the extract command.........tar
[01:43] <mrksbrd> ?????
[01:43] <jabba> anyway...
[01:43] <jabba> graft: that seems to be the problem
[01:43] <jabba> but why is it?
[01:43] <graft> jabba: no weird iptables rules or anything?
[01:43] <denny__> BluesKaj: is there  some kernel module not being loaded?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz
[01:44] <genii> mrksbrd: What is the exact name of the file you have again that you are extracting?
[01:44] <boris_> no
[01:44] <jabba> graft: if kubuntu hasn't any by default .. no.
[01:44] <boris_> i need somehow to conect
[01:44] <genii> BluesKaj: Yeah but i dunno if tar.gz
[01:44] <graft> jabba: on the server
[01:45] <jabba> no
[01:45] <jabba> it is a DVB-reveiver! ;)
[01:45] <mrksbrd> hold on
[01:45] <jabba> *receiver
[01:45] <graft> DVB receiver?
[01:45] <boris_> how do i create torent
[01:45] <boris_> plizzzzzzzzzzz
[01:45] <graft> do rpcinfo -u <server> nfs
[01:46] <mrksbrd> ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[01:47] <denny__> any other leads to help debug a usb problem besides lsusb (which returned nothing)?
[01:47] <boris_> anyone
[01:48] <jabba> graft:
[01:48] <jabba> rpcinfo -u <IP_ADDRESS> nfs
[01:48] <jabba> rpcinfo: RPC: Program not registered
[01:48] <jabba> program 100003 is not available
[01:49] <graft> can you do it from the other thingy? 0.55?
[01:49] <jabba> doesn't have rpcinfo :(
[01:49] <echosystm> guys, what is the vlc equivalent in kubuntu?
[01:50] <jabba> vlc?
[01:50] <jabba> kaffeine
[01:50] <echosystm> vlc is gtk
[01:50] <echosystm> i want to keep everything qt
[01:50] <jabba> then kaffeine
[01:50] <graft> echosystm: i like mplayer, try smplayer
[01:50] <echosystm> cheers
[01:51] <echosystm> ok, now how about a BASIC mp3 player?
[01:51] <mrksbrd> genii the file name is ........ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[01:51] <BluesKaj> vlc is vlc in linux as well, echosystm
[01:52] <echosystm> ?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> install VLC
[01:52] <echosystm> i said, vlc is gtk, i dont want to use gtk apps if i can avoid it...
[01:52] <jabba> i think echosystm is from linux-land
[01:52] <echosystm> :P
[01:53] <echosystm> because it means all the extra gtk libs need to be loaded, i'd rather keep everything in qt
[01:53] <BluesKaj> I think he's strangling himself for some purist reason
[01:54] <echosystm> kde uses enough memory as it is man :D
[01:54] <thx1137_> echosystm: XMMS would be a similar to winamp
[01:54] <graft> gtk is super-light, man
[01:54] <genii> mrksbrd: OK, then it is   tar -xvzf ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz        if you are in the same directory. Else it is like    tar -xvzf /the/pathname/ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz -C /the/path/where/to/put/the/files
[01:54] <jabba> i think so too echosystm, the other way round would be a reason
[01:54] <jabba> but gtk i really light
[01:54] <thx1137_> as far as mp3's anyways
[01:54] <jabba> *is
[01:54] <graft> xmms is ten years out of date...
[01:55] <jabba> graft: what is better?
[01:55] <thx1137_> oh really? i'll have to check out gtk.. just started using
[01:55] <Pardalz> wtf.. i configured my sound.. but
[01:56] <Pardalz> the player just jump for next track
[01:56] <echosystm> audacious is a more updated version of xmms
[01:56] <Pardalz> is not the player
[01:56] <Pardalz> i used 2
[01:56] <echosystm> BMP is too, but that is discontinued
[01:56] <jabba> graft: i can't believe it
[01:56] <jabba> just rebooted the server
[01:56] <jabba> and nfs is now showing up in rpcinfo
[01:56] <Pardalz> i using amarok and kaffeine..
[01:56] <graft> weird
[01:57] <jabba> very
[01:57] <jabba> really
[01:57] <Pardalz> !amarok
[01:57] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[01:57] <jabba> now it works
[01:57] <jabba> but i really tried that once before
[01:57] <jabba> sth. other might have helped too
[01:57] <Pardalz> !kafeine
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kafeine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <aesebu55> I have no windows decorator in beryl with kubuntu. Anyone seen this?
[01:57] <Pardalz> !kaffeine
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kaffeine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <thx1137_> yea, I like amarok alot
[01:58] <jabba> thank you very much for your  interest graft
[01:58] <jabba> and sundar_nagarajan
[01:58] <mrksbrd> i must be a friggin idiot, because i type tar -xvzf /home/mrksbrd/ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz.................and the fuc**** thing still gives me an invalid directory error
[01:58] <BluesKaj> 1.4.6 amarok seems fine
[01:58] <genii> mrksbrd: Tell me what the command whereis ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz   says please
[01:58] <graft> mrksbrd: what directory are you in? pwd
[01:59] <mrksbrd> this is where the files arw I don't undrstand
[01:59] <Pardalz> BluesKaj:
[01:59] <Pardalz> BluesKaj: at 2 players i got same problem wtf..
[01:59] <BluesKaj> no need to type /home/mrksbrd/
[01:59] <Pardalz> wht you think about
[01:59] <BluesKaj> use only one
[01:59] <shahn__> aesebu55: try here http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Beryl?highlight=%28beryl%29#head-57bdfae90ae59cf7a8e3987c3aa8b674d983bd0e
[02:00] <shahn__> (it's german, but i hope you'll understand)
[02:00] <mrksbrd> i'm going to throw this thing across th room
[02:00] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, in the terminal type tar -xvzf ipw2200-1.2.2.tgz
[02:01] <aesebu55> shahn_: haha, don't think so
[02:01] <nejode> aesebu55: did you add the line: Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"   to your xorg.conf?
[02:01] <mrksbrd> i look in my home/mrksbrd directory & i see the 2 files
[02:01] <genii> It could be that perms on the tarfile do not allow without sudo
[02:01] <aesebu55> nejode: did that. I went to #beryl and they said I need to install emerald so I am doing that now. Thanks!
[02:01] <BluesKaj> no need to type home/mrksbrd
[02:02] <mrksbrd> let me get u th exact msg it spits back
[02:02] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | mrksbrd
[02:02] <ubotu> mrksbrd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:03] <aesebu55> btw, if anyone in here hasn't tried beryl I really recommend it (hope that was ok)
[02:03] <mrksbrd> ok i don't know what i did this tim but i think it worked....
[02:03] <mrksbrd> what is the next step?
[02:03] <graft> aesebu55: are you running beryl-manager?
[02:03] <graft> blah
[02:03] <mrksbrd> it looks like it may have extracted it
[02:04] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, open the folder look for a readme file
[02:04] <BluesKaj> and make or makefile
[02:04] <BluesKaj> or ./configure
[02:04] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:04] <mrksbrd> done
[02:05] <mrksbrd> i see readme and makefile
[02:05] <dana77> hola
[02:05] <BluesKaj> there should be install instructions in the reame
[02:05] <BluesKaj> readme
[02:06] <BluesKaj> BluesKaj, graciuosly accepts a coffee , genii :)
[02:07] <BluesKaj> ok, mrksbrd , cd to the foldername in terminal
[02:07] <jabba> ok.. PC and DVB-receivers talking to each other :D ... it is late, time to get some sleep. GdN8
[02:07] <jabba> cu
[02:07] <mrksbrd> readme tells me todo this..........% modprobe ipw2200 [parameter] =[value]
[02:09] <mrksbrd> ok in the folder
[02:09] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd , cd to the foldername in the terminal
[02:10] <mrksbrd> ok there
[02:10] <BluesKaj> is there configure file in the folder?
[02:11] <BluesKaj> well, run ./configure anyway
[02:11] <mrksbrd> CHANGES   dvals     idvals     ipw2200.h   load            restart
[02:12] <mrksbrd> compat.c  FILES     INSTALL    ipwstats.c  Makefile        status
[02:12] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> ok ' sudo make install '
[02:12] <mrksbrd> this is what i see
[02:12] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:12] <Irgot> hello
[02:14] <thx1137_> What are some other good IRC clients?  I'm using Konversation, but wanted to try a couple more
[02:14] <cloakable> kvirc
[02:14] <jdt> Xchat?
[02:14] <mrksbrd> Don't forget to copy firmware to your hotplug's firmware directory and have the hotplug tools in place.
[02:15] <thx1137_> thanks, i'll have to check those out
[02:15] <BluesKaj> you can run mirc in wine too :)
[02:16] <Dragnslcr> BluesKaj- you're not allowed to speak anymore
[02:16] <thx1137_> hehe
[02:16] <irgot> someone is brazilian?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> thx1137_, irssi for the terminal
[02:17] <mrksbrd> Whats next Blues????????
[02:17] <BluesKaj> did it go back to the prompt
[02:17] <mrksbrd> yes
[02:18] <BluesKaj> ok mrksbrd ..what is the app BTW , so we know where to look ?
[02:18] <mrksbrd> it is the driver for my wifi card
[02:18] <hammy> hi ppl
[02:19] <hammy> omg ubuntu IRC won't work
[02:20] <irgot> what's the problem?
[02:20] <BluesKaj> well mrksbrd , i'll have to hand it off from here ...wireless isn't my forte' ... Dragnslcr ?
[02:20] <zimmo> does anybody know a bit about bind9?
[02:21] <irgot> service bind9 restart
[02:21] <Biovore> it gets hacked alot..
[02:21] <Biovore> best to run it in a root jail or something..
[02:21] <hammy> lol i don't even use kubuntu but it works
[02:21] <Biovore> djbdns or powerdns are better bets in my option..
[02:21] <mrksbrd> uuuuugggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!
[02:21] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[02:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:22] <mrksbrd> i read them and because i don't know the commands it is like reading greek, this is only my first day using linux
[02:22] <BluesKaj> uhoh , don't like the sound of that
[02:22] <mrksbrd> 2nd sorry
[02:23] <irgot> how i install telnet server on ubuntu?
[02:23] <mrksbrd> i'm coming over from windows, and I wanted to give linux a try
[02:24] <mrksbrd> because i hear how good it is, only thing i have discovered is how frustrated it gets me
[02:24] <Biovore> irgot: why..  telnet is evil for most cases..  try ssh
[02:24] <BluesKaj> gents we need wireless help here
[02:24] <Biovore> BluesKaj: what wireless card?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, Biovore's yer man !
[02:24] <mrksbrd> intel pro/wireless 2200bg
[02:24] <irgot> i know telnet is evil, but i have to install it
[02:25] <hammy> maybe i should install linux
[02:25] <thx1137_> hey, check out Wubi
[02:25] <Biovore> I think the intell cards work out of the box.. my 3945 did..
[02:25] <zimmo>  i have to configure the zones and the hosts to set up the Shorewall, ok? but it says i have not valid zones! do I need bind9 to create them first?
[02:25] <thx1137_> I used it to install ubuntu, it makes a virtual disk so you don't have to repartition your hd until your comfy with ubuntu
[02:25] <Biovore> 2200bg is very well support.. I would think it should work..
[02:26] <mrksbrd> my wifi light isn't lit
[02:26] <Biovore> mrksbrd: disabled in bios.. or the fn-antenna button?
[02:26] <thx1137_> http://wubi-installer.org/
[02:26] <mrksbrd> it is a built in wifi card if that makes a difference
[02:26] <hammy> u could try device manager
[02:26] <Biovore> ^ thats kinda cool.. install ubuntu without a cd
[02:26] <Biovore> mrksbrd: mine is built in..
[02:27] <mrksbrd> already looked in bios & fn button
[02:27] <Biovore> mrksbrd: if you open up konsole and type "lspci"  does your wifi card show up..
[02:27] <thx1137_> yea, and I don't have a DVD player, so I couldn't really install Ubuntu Studio, but with this I can install it and check it out.. so far it's awesome
[02:28] <mrksbrd> yes
[02:28] <mrksbrd> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[02:29] <irgot> what command i send a menssage to a person
[02:30] <irgot> [tokin] teste
[02:30] <Biovore> mrksbrd: you have wireless-tools module-assistant ?
[02:30] <Biovore> mrksbrd: ubuntu should have a ipw2200 module in the default kernel..
[02:30] <mrksbrd> i installed something like that, but can't find it anywhere
[02:31] <Biovore> mrksbrd: "sudo lsmod | grep ipw2200"
[02:31] <Biovore> the led is a option.. its off by default..
[02:32] <Biovore> mrksbrd: if you want the led do the follow.. echo "options ipw2200 led=1" >> /etc/modules.d/ipw2200.modprobe
[02:32] <Biovore> mrksbrd: probably need a sudo at the start
[02:32] <mrksbrd> slow down.....u lost me
[02:34] <mrksbrd> what do i need to type in the terminal....the echo line?
[02:34] <Biovore> mrksbrd: run "konsole"
[02:35] <mrksbrd> already there
[02:35] <Biovore> mrksbrd: now type "sudo lsmod | grep ipw2200"
[02:36] <Biovore> do you get a line that says ipw2000       <somenumber>  some more stuff
[02:36] <irgot> i try to compile a new kenel on ubuntu and i failed, someone knows if it's possible
[02:36] <Biovore> yup
[02:36] <Biovore> there's a howto on the forums
[02:36] <mrksbrd> ipw2200               148040  0
[02:37] <Biovore> so the driver is installed then..
[02:37] <mrksbrd> ieee80211              34760  1 ipw2200
[02:37] <irgot> pass to me the adress
[02:37] <Biovore> mrksbrd: now type "iwconfig"
[02:37] <irgot> pass the adress of forum
[02:37] <Biovore> !forums
[02:37] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[02:37] <Biovore> it has  a search..
[02:37] <irgot> !forums
[02:38] <irgot> thanks
[02:38] <TheCreationist> Does anyone know if there is anything thing for Linux similar to Finale or Noteworthy Composer?
[02:38] <mrksbrd> no wireless extensions
[02:38] <jhutchins> irgot: Were you asking if compiling a kernel on kubuntu was possible?
[02:38] <mrksbrd> eth1 unassociated
[02:39] <lewix> hi
[02:39] <hacker128> HI
[02:39] <irgot> [jhutchins] yes
[02:39] <jhutchins> irgot: Certainly it is.  That's how the kernel that's distributed as a binary got built.
[02:39] <Biovore> mrksbrd: Mode:Managed  Frequency=nan kHz  Access Point: Not-Associated  <-- that the second line of eth1?
[02:40] <jhutchins> irgot: It's best to have a current howto for reference, but there are a number of guides available.
[02:40] <mrksbrd> Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: Not-Associated
[02:40] <hacker128> ubuntu___:  Get bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[02:40] <Biovore> mrksbrd: ok so that means all the low-level stuff is working fine.. just need to configure the interface..
[02:41] <intelikey> what is /var/log/ksymoops/*  ?
[02:41] <hacker128> Biovore: Get bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[02:41] <Biovore> mrksbrd: Tring to think of whats the easiest way to configure that interface..  probably to use KNetworkManager.
[02:41] <jhutchins> irgot: This is probably the one Biovore was thinking of: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1475.html
[02:41] <irgot> jhutchins: thanks
[02:42] <mrksbrd> ok
[02:42] <irgot> how i send a ms only to you jhutchin
[02:42] <jhutchins> intelikey: Symbolic debugging of kernel oops logs?
[02:43] <intelikey> jhutchins hmmm.   wonder why that's active...    insmod: modprobe: cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20070801.log Read-only file system

[02:43] <mrksbrd> why wont mine launch?
[02:43] <intelikey> that's a boot time error message
[02:44] <Biovore> mrksbrd: should put a small network thing in your system tray.. right click on it and it should pop open with a list of wireless-networks..
[02:44] <intelikey> i'll link null to it and see what happens
[02:45] <hacker128> Biovore..
[02:45] <mrksbrd> ok i see my network
[02:45] <Biovore> oO
[02:47] <intelikey> that cleared it up.   i realize i just disabled some kind of logging but i never used it anyway so...
[02:47] <irgot> john_:teste
[02:47] <irgot> ^o)
[02:47] <irgot> crazy
[02:48] <eddy__> hi
[02:49] <intelikey> eddy__
[02:49] <dmuser> Hey everyone
[02:49] <intelikey> dmuser
[02:49] <dmuser> How's it going?
[02:49] <intelikey> well
[02:49] <intelikey> you?
[02:50] <dmuser> Not bad
[02:50] <hacker128> Good. You on a ppc or intel.
[02:50] <HomeRoey> heh, hi
[02:50] <dmuser> Although every time I leave my computer on for the day, it seems something stops working, and my applications won't start any more.
[02:50] <intelikey> HomeRoey
[02:50] <eddy__> eh me son distratto la madonna poverina de dio
[02:50] <eddy__> ?
[02:50] <dmuser> ...which I find odd since there's no one here to change anything
[02:50] <eddy__> Argentin addirittura a 25...
[02:51] <hacker128> Irritating thing about Linux...
[02:51] <intelikey> dmuser memory leak
[02:51] <BluesKaj> !it | eddy__
[02:51] <ubotu> eddy__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:51] <dmuser> intelikey: How do I track it down?  Any ideas?
[02:51] <mrksbrd1> Biovore....thank you so much i'm now connected
[02:51] <hacker128> SOmething goes wrong...
[02:51] <intelikey> dmuser not really
[02:51] <dmuser> The only thing I have running is Kopete and Konversation
[02:52] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: ok cool..  it should work out of the box.. just run that KNetoworkManager thing..
[02:52] <hacker128> No!!!!
[02:52] <hacker128> IT WONT!
[02:52] <Biovore> well it did :-P
[02:52] <mrksbrd1> i have another ? for you
[02:52] <eddy__> is there someone who use aMSN?
[02:52] <intelikey> dmuser just saying that if time is the only variable and the more time the worse it gets   then it's probably a memory leak
[02:52] <mrksbrd1> have you evr configured a aircard in linux?
[02:52] <hacker128> Yes. i am on a
[02:52] <dmuser> intelikey: Uhh.  Yeah.  Something is eating up 2Gb of RAM.  Any way to find out what?
[02:52] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: nope..  I stick with the intel cards because there open..
[02:52] <hacker128> iBook G4!
[02:53] <Biovore> hacker128: broadcom wireless... poor boy....
[02:53] <hacker128> I know.
[02:53] <Biovore> hacker128: Those are evil...
[02:53] <hacker128> But I dont mind.
[02:54] <Biovore> hacker128: its a hack just to get them to work.. And they have big problems..
[02:54] <hacker128> I KNOW!
[02:54] <mrksbrd1> ok....my next mission i guess, we don't have a wifi network @ work, so i have to use an aircard...linux does recognize it, but that's the extent of it
[02:54] <hacker128> but it is a fun hack@
[02:54] <Biovore> mrksbrd1: I don't know anything about aircards..
[02:55] <hacker128> And my computer was free.
[02:55] <mrksbrd1> ok like i said thanks for helping on the wifi!!!
[02:55] <hacker128> So i am not complaining!
[02:55] <intelikey> dmuser first of all is the ram actually used     echo "`free -m  | grep "buffers/cache" | cut -b19-36 | tr -d ' '`m used"
[02:56] <eddy__> is there someone who use aMSN?
[02:56] <Biovore> intelikey: We make check memory so complicated.. :-P
[02:56] <mrksbrd1> by guyz...thanks everyone
[02:56] <intelikey> :)
[02:57] <intelikey> Biovore could have parsed it dirrectly out of proc
[02:57] <DIO> Dio Cane
[02:57] <Biovore> intelikey: yup..
[02:57] <hacker128> And... So are encrypted DVDs.
[02:57] <dmuser> intelikey: Ok.  Only 250Mb used.
[02:57] <DIO> ya
[02:57] <robby> hi newbs
[02:57] <DIO> obviously
[02:58] <intelikey> dmuser now keep that command handy and let it run for seceral hours and run it again and compare.  if it hasn't increesed much it's not a leak if it has it probably is.
[02:58] <dmuser> intelikey:  Is there a system log file that I can create or view to see why programs are aborting that might give me a clue?
[02:58] <DIO> of course sir
[02:59] <hacker128> Try Runaway Process Catcher.
[02:59] <hacker128> It is a kicker applet.
[02:59] <intelikey> dmuser hmmm  you can look in /var/log/*   but i don't know of anything off hand that would track "aborted/crashed" applications.
[02:59] <DIO> yes
[03:00] <DIO> Oh PORCO DIO
[03:00] <DIO> sono le 3
[03:00] <intelikey> normally that kind of thing will only show if something is "depending" on the exit status of the app
[03:01] <intelikey> i.e.   true && echo success || echo failed
[03:01] <intelikey> i.e.   false && echo success || echo failed
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> Diocannamadonna
[03:01] <Biovore> spam spam spam
[03:01] <Diocannamadonna> it's not spam
[03:01] <intelikey> Diocannamadonna it's spelled /exit
[03:02] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi hi
[03:02] <Biovore> lolz
[03:02] <HomeRoey> hey all
[03:02] <Diocannamadonna> it's Diocannamadonna
[03:03] <HomeRoey> I seem to be stuck on my via82cxxx on-board sound chip when I /really/ wnat to be using my Chaintech AV710 sound card.  I've disabled the on-board sound controller in teh BIOS, but alsa still reports errors when I launch alsamixer (and lsmod still shows via82cxxx).  How can I fix this?  (there's no alsaconfig in ubuntu, arg)
[03:03] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  hi!!
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:03] <Biovore> hi
[03:04] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:04] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  do you know how to fix this?
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> !ops
[03:04] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:05] <Biovore> HomeRoey: Hmm  I would guess that you might have that module stuff in a configuration file somewhere..
[03:05] <Biovore> HomeRoey: crimsum is the sound expert..
[03:05] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  ok
[03:05] <HomeRoey> thanks :)
[03:06] <dmuser> intelikey Is there any reason this "Jul 30 07:36:01 Fanderay syslogd 1.4.1#20ubuntu4: restart." would show up at the exact same time every day where my computer has been inactive for a number of hours before and after?
[03:06] <Biovore> HomeRoey: check your /etc/modules file.. so if it's getting loaded in there..
[03:06] <HomeRoey> crimsun... I've been trying to get ahold of him all day
[03:06] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  it's not
[03:06] <Diocannamadonna> http://killtherollerbladers.splinder.com
[03:06] <HomeRoey> hey JohnFlux
[03:07] <Biovore> HomeRoey: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ?
[03:09] <HomeRoey> Biovore, http://rafb.net/p/YOzWe390.html
[03:09] <HomeRoey> it loads all sorts of via82cxxx-specific stuff.
[03:09] <intelikey> dmuser check /etc/cron*  probably a dialy cron job   ?
[03:09] <HomeRoey> I'd like to re-install this whole alsa configuration from scratch, as if I were installing the system anew
[03:10] <JohnFlux> HomeRoey: hey
[03:10] <Biovore> HomeRoey: Mine has the same stuff in it as well..
[03:10] <intelikey> dmuser i have set up cron jobs before but as a general rule i dont use cron at all   so off hand i wouldn't know.
[03:10] <rockets_> Are there any plans for a human-like theme for Kubuntu?
[03:11] <Biovore> rockets_: there are.. see www.kde-look.org
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !htsserver
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about htsserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !info htsserver
[03:11] <ubotu> Package htsserver does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:11] <rockets_> Biovore, ive looked
[03:11] <rockets_> Biovore, i found one that doesnt work
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, httrack
[03:13] <dmuser> Well lets see if restarting does the trick.
[03:14] <HomeRoey>  Biovore, but I even disabled it in the bios!!
[03:15] <Biovore> HomeRoey: yeah weird..  I havn't had to deal with changing sound cards.. so I am not really sure.. I havn't dug all that much into alsa..
[03:16] <Biovore> HomeRoey: I assume your loading the driver for the new soundcard manualy?
[03:20] <HomeRoey> Biovore:  I don't know anymore :(
[03:20] <HomeRoey> it seems to load auotmatically
[03:20] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:21] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  hi!
[03:21] <intelikey> in case you need it.
[03:21] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  much thanks
[03:21] <intelikey> np
[03:21] <HomeRoey> what does it do specifically?
[03:21] <intelikey> read it
[03:21] <soulrider> hello intelikey
[03:21] <intelikey> soulrider
[03:21] <HomeRoey> reboot -f
[03:22] <HomeRoey> how does it get past that??
[03:22] <HomeRoey> the system reboots, ok.... so how does it finish that last line?
[03:22] <soulrider> maybe the kernel is having some tourble rebooting
[03:22] <intelikey> yes there are two commands there.   both are for specific needs read the comments.
[03:22] <soulrider> doing the actual power off/on
[03:22] <HomeRoey> oh, ok
[03:22] <HomeRoey> intelikey:  gotcha
[03:22] <soulrider> press the reset button and it should reboot with no problems i guess
[03:23] <intelikey> soulrider heh
[03:23] <soulrider> intelikey: do you know of any console web browsers that support flash?
[03:24] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi?
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider seeing that i never mess with flash i havent tried to find one.  should be able to use dillo for the console with svgalib  or something
[03:24] <soulrider> intelikey: im running links at the moment with graphics support
[03:25] <intelikey> yeah links2 -g is good and light   elinks  also  but i don't think either will do flash
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> soulrider: you and your 90's era computing.
[03:25] <soulrider> lol
[03:25] <soulrider> im compiling gnome at the moment and its gonna take a while
[03:26] <soulrider> gnome in my archlinux installation collapsed
[03:26] <soulrider> and i dont know how to fix it =/
[03:26] <dmuser> intelikey:  I think I found the problem.  When I restarted, I had to reinstall my nVidia graphics drivers to fix a "modified library" so that kdm would start.  Any idea what would cause this?
[03:26] <intelikey> nosrednaekim 90's ???  uh  the console didn't die it just got stronger
[03:26] <intelikey> dmuser automatic updates ?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but in the early 90's thats all there was.
[03:27] <intelikey> check /var/log/dpkg*
[03:27] <dmuser> intelikey:  It's happened 3 times in a row now.  And automatic updates aren't turned on.
[03:27] <soulrider> i remember windows 3.11 :P
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember Punchcards
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember IRCing on a greebar printing terminal.
[03:27] <Dr_willis_> I rember analog computers made with resistors and capaciators and stuff. :)
[03:27] <intelikey> dmuser hmmmm....    you need an nvidia expert
[03:27] <mneptok> soulrider: mplayer has a CLI mode that can play Flash.
[03:28] <intelikey> which i am not
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> to solve equations.
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> aalib - is so amusing :)
[03:28] <dmuser> So you're saying I should email nVidia about the issue?
[03:28] <mneptok> dmuser: let me guess. you installed the nVidia driver from nVidia, not the package manager.
[03:28] <dmuser> Correct.
[03:28] <mneptok> dmuser: that's your problem
[03:29] <mneptok> dmuser: you will have to recompile and reinstall that driver every time the kernel or one of the kernel libs changes.
[03:29] <BluesKaj> dam proprietary drivers :)
[03:29] <dmuser> The one in the package manager wouldn't enable 3D acceleration properly.  Unless that's just my own ineptitude.
[03:29] <mneptok> WFM
[03:29] <soulrider> mneptok: but i mean flash in sites
[03:30] <JOEYYYYYY> So if i have a 64 bit processor. Theres no way to get adobe flash for linux?
[03:30] <mneptok> soulrider: you need to wget the content and pass the .swf to mplayer-cli
[03:30] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: yes you can
[03:30] <Dr_willis_> JOEYYYYYY,  gotta use a 32bit root enviroment some how
[03:30] <soulrider> mneptok: yeah... i think ill pass =/
[03:30] <intelikey> mneptok well what is my problem with nvidia ?    i installed from the repos and it wont work.   (riva128 agp)   ???
[03:30] <JOEYYYYYY> 32 bit root enviornment.
[03:30] <mneptok> JOEYYYYYY: or just install the 32 bit version of Ubuntu
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> JOEYYYYYY: install nspluginwrapper
[03:31] <JOEYYYYYY> ok let me try that.
[03:31] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: I installed the 32 bit Firefox from mozilla.org, runs fine.
[03:31] <mneptok> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:31] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[03:31] <JOEYYYYYY> So if i just download firefox it will have flash an java?
[03:31] <intelikey> yep wont work
[03:31] <Dr_willis_> !flash
[03:31] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:32] <Dr_willis_> do you have a need for the  64bit ubuntu? if not - stick with 32bit
[03:32] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: I followed the wiki, I'll try to find it, sec
[03:32] <mneptok> intelikey: the Riva is just too old. nVidia does not provide a driver for it.
[03:32] <BluesKaj> dumped gnash out of konq and now it plays youtube at least
[03:32] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: java is a different thing, just do "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre" and youre all set
[03:32] <intelikey> mneptok correct it's not supported
[03:32] <mneptok> soulrider: no 64 bit Java plugin from Sun, though
[03:32] <soulrider> intelikey: i used to have a 16mb vanta lt card, it rocked!
[03:33] <soulrider> =/
[03:33] <rockets> Wait huh
[03:33] <rockets> theres no 64 bit java?
[03:33] <mneptok> intelikey: so get a cheapo GeForce?
[03:33] <rockets> I was just about to install Ubuntu 64 bit to
[03:33] <dmuser> mneptok So I should be uninstalling my current nVidia driver, and installing nvidia-glx-new from console?
[03:33] <JOEYYYYYY> If i use ubuntu 32 bit version, arent I gonna lose half my speed?
[03:33] <HomeRoey> NO
[03:33] <HomeRoey> you won't
[03:33] <rockets> JOEYYYYYY, hah no, 64 bit is only faster for certain things.
[03:33] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: scroll down to "Firefox 2.0 with Flash and Java under AMD64": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:33] <rockets> like compiling.
[03:33] <intelikey> soulrider with just the nv driver i have no qualmns with this 32m riva128
[03:33] <JOEYYYYYY> Im using amd athlon 64 x2 processor 5000+
[03:33] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  it's a bunch of BS
[03:33] <mneptok> dmuser: correct
[03:34] <soulrider> intelikey: how about the nv driver? unless youre gonna eb doing 3d
[03:34] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  64- vs. 32- bit is /not/ an issue.
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> ok
[03:34] <soulrider> intelikey: alright
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> JOEYYYYYY: unless you have >4 Gigs of ram, performance laoss will be nil
[03:34] <mneptok> HomeRoey: it is if you have > 4GB RAM ;)
[03:34] <HomeRoey> trust me, I just spent hell in 64-bit debian for the past two years, and only now I got the intelligence to just re-install a 32-bit Ubuntu so that I can finally enjoy Flash.
[03:34] <HomeRoey> JOEYYYYYY:  see abov
[03:34] <HomeRoey> *above
[03:34] <HomeRoey> mneptok:  who cares?
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> Yeah Im only running 1 gig.
[03:34] <JOEYYYYYY> Poor me.
[03:35] <HomeRoey> seriously, I have two gigs fo ram and two gigs of swap--
[03:35] <intelikey> mneptok no.   intelikey's first rule of computing is "you can not force a hardware upgrade by poor software"   in short don't try to sell me new JUNK to replace old JUNK period.
[03:35] <HomeRoey> /I/ won't be upgrading this machine.
[03:35] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: did you get my link?
[03:35] <JOEYYYYYY> Yes. Im going to check that out now. Thanks for all your help guys.
[03:35] <mneptok> intelikey: don't complain to me. i'm not the one EOLing the Riva.
[03:36] <intelikey> mneptok i'm not complaining,  just saying that approach is not acceptable
[03:36] <Sanne> JOEYYYYYY: there's also a 64 bit subforum on ubuntuforums: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134
[03:36] <soulrider> intelikey: im almost sure there are drivers for that card
[03:37] <intelikey> soulrider well we looked and nothing that is "currently supported"   but you are probably right if i knew where to look
[03:38] <soulrider> intelikey: i think you want the 7xxx drivers
[03:38] <intelikey> soulrider i did mention it's not pci  it's real agp  ?
[03:39] <intelikey> somehow there differ
[03:39] <soulrider> intelikey: the 1.0-7185 driver supports your card
[03:40] <intelikey> i'm willing to test it,  is that on the nvidia site ?
[03:40] <soulrider> yes
[03:40] <intelikey> let me look.
[03:40] <soulrider> intelikey: im almopst sure that those drivers are in the repos too
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> from Cap'n CLI to installing proprietary drivers?
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> neat
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> legacy?
[03:41] <soulrider> intelikey:  nvidia-glx-legacy you want that
[03:41] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: intelikey must be having a crisis, hes installing propietary stuff... and who knows, maybe even KDE :P
[03:42] <Daisuke_Ido> the smart money's against that
[03:42] <intelikey> soulrider heh did i not say half an hour ago that  nvidia-glx-legacy  will NOT work
[03:42] <soulrider> intelikey: it should though =/
[03:42] <stoned> go johnyy go go go
[03:42] <intelikey> can't help it.  it wont
[03:43] <JOEYYYYYY> whats i686?
[03:43] <soulrider> JOEYYYYYY: architecture
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: they pulled the riva out of the version in the repos, it's newer than the one he's getting from the site
[03:43] <soulrider> i see
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, i saw a beautiful building in rome with i686 design
[03:43] <soulrider> that joke.... sucked :P
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> we can't all be winners :(
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway, touhou is a failure in both wine and cedega cvs :\
[03:44] <soulrider> piece of advice to everyone, if you install gentoo, make sure you ahve a fast PC and a LOT of time in your hands
[03:45] <soulrider> youhow ?
[03:45] <jacob> i'm an ubuntu user, the ubuntu chat room doesn't seem to know how to change boot screens, does anybody know how i can change my boot screen?
[03:45] <soulrider> touhou*
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  or a lot of pc's and use 'distcc' :)
[03:45] <soulrider> jacob: you mean the splash ?
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  which boot screen.
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> touhou is a series of shmups for windows (shmups = shootemups, think 1942 or gradius)
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> with a whole lot more bullets
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> i 'change' them by disabling them all.
[03:46] <soulwarp> you mean te partition boot screen?
[03:46] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: uhm.. i could use my dads PC as a prostitute for compiling my stuff :P
[03:46] <jacob> Dr_willis, the one that shows up when you load ubuntu
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  thats possible.
[03:46] <jacob> the first boot screen that shows up when you turn on the computer
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  you mean the splash screen BEFOR the GDM/Kdm login then.
[03:46] <Daisuke_Ido> the usplash?
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> i always disable that with the nosplash option.  to the kernel.
[03:46] <soulwarp> i think he means Grub loader
[03:46] <jacob> yes
[03:46] <jacob> dr_willis, is that possible?
[03:46] <soulrider> jacob: you mean the one that sais Ubuntu? or the one where you select kernel ?
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> possible to diossable it? of courze.
[03:47] <jacob> Dr_willis, when you turn on the computer, ubuntu loads up and it has the gauge that loads
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i also am sure to enable the grub meni so its shown
[03:47] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: i think you can also change it
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  yes.. I disable that. :)
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i consider it useless
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> i want to see the messages scroll by.
[03:47] <jacob> dr_willis, can i change that to make it more stylish?
[03:48] <soulrider> jacob: you can change it yeah, but the ubuntu one is cool and you might screw something up
[03:48] <soulrider> jacob: bear in mind that you cannot put any image there
[03:48] <soulrider> it has to meet some requirements
[03:48] <soulrider> like, you dont have a full color pallete
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> 640x480 with 16 colours?
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> jacob,  as ive said - i change it DEAD. :)
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> !usplash
[03:48] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[03:49] <Dr_willis_> that urls dont give good info?
[03:49] <soulrider> for gods sake, compiling gnome takes FOREVER!
[03:49] <Dr_willis_>  /usr/share/doc/usplash-dev/examples/README
[03:49] <soulrider> brb, gonna make some tea :P
[03:49] <JOEYYYYYY> Anyone know any good sites where i can get some commands on installing mozilla.
[03:49] <jacob> ubotu, that's a long document, there's not quick version?
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[03:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> jacob: that's the info, if you want to change things without messing them up, you read that.
[03:50] <Dr_willis_> cat /usr/share/doc/usplash/README  - has some info.
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: might as well go pick the tea leaves, dry them for a few months, and then brew a cup
[03:50] <jacob> alright thx alot
[03:50] <Dr_willis_> but then again. if you want power.. ya gotta learn to  crank the generator! :)
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> by the time you get back, gnome MIGHT be done
[03:51] <CensorBard> Wonderful. Botched Wine, and now I can't get it to run properly. Off to wipe and reinstall.
[03:51] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY installing mozilla what ?   browser mailnews ???
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> reinstall Kubuntu?
[03:51] <jacob> alright, thx, have a good night sleep
[03:51] <CensorBard> Yeah.
[03:52] <intelikey> got it too warm ?
[03:52] <CensorBard> Apparantly, installed it, sans the files it needed.
[03:52] <Dr_willis_> Installed it how?
[03:52] <CensorBard> Tarball.
[03:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !repos
[03:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> there are unofficial repos with the latest wine - i do belove
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> belive
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> !wine
[03:53] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> for god's sake, USE THEM
[03:53] <intelikey> oh he shook it
[03:53] <BluesKaj> think I'll DL mirc and run it on wine ...gotta use it for something :)
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> BluesKaj,  use it to install spyware
[03:53] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> the repos are there so you don't have the headaches that come with trying to get things installed manually
[03:53] <intelikey> :)
[03:53] <CensorBard> Eventually, I'm going to need to go compile Winex. And that's going to be fun.
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> why do so many people feel the need to make life needlessly complicated
[03:54] <Dr_willis_> !easysource
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> CensorBard: i just did
[03:54] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not that tough
[03:54] <JOEYYYYYY> intellikey; im trying to install firefox so i can use java and flash.
[03:54] <JOEYYYYYY> its in ark but i dont know what to do from there.
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> close ark
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:54] <CensorBard> Doc Ido: Because we're Linux noobs. And taking page after page of notes culled from the man pages helps not with the headaches.
[03:55] <JOEYYYYYY> Daisuke_ will that install no matter what folder its in?
[03:55] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY delete it and use the package managere
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> so pop open synaptic
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre flashplugin-nonfree
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> CensorBard: nothing i've said involves man pages or notes
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> there are graphical package managers right there in the menu that if you open them, and search for, say "wine", you'll get it.
[03:56] <JOEYYYYYY> Daisuke_ it says package is missing or obsolete.
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: which package?
[03:57] <intelikey> i love it when web pages tell me that my version of netscape navigator is too old    hehhe   elinks is funny
[03:57] <hambobo> how do i use wine
[03:57] <CensorBard> I found this out too late. Adept_installer != Adept_manager, and all that.
[03:57] <Spider> Hi! :)
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> I thought that command was for me.
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> Maybe not.
[03:57] <JOEYYYYYY> lol.
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i forgot they renamed the package
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> and your best bet is to go into adept or synaptic and install the java5 jre and flashplugin-nonfree
[03:58] <intelikey> JOEYYYYYY the command is for you;  sudo apt-get install firefox sun-java5-jre flashplugin-nonfree
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, so i did get the java package name right :)
[03:59] <intelikey> actually i just copied you...
[03:59] <JOEYYYYYY> Ya but it said its missing or obsolete intelikey.
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> JOEYYYYYY: which package is missing or obsolete?
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> that's important information
[03:59] <intelikey> which  "IT"  ?
[04:00] <JOEYYYYYY> IT?
[04:00] <JOEYYYYYY> Flashplugin has no installation candidate?
[04:00] <intelikey> never mind.  i'm busy.
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> flashplugin, not Flashplugin
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> case sensitive
[04:01] <warhol> are there any guides made for installing compiz on kubuntu specifically?
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's flashplugin-nonfree
 it is easy, but it still sukc on under kde
[04:02] <tinin> sucks on kde
[04:02] <BluesKaj> JOEYYYYYY, it'll ask you to accept the agreement , otherwise the install won't finish
[04:02] <Spider> could I ask someone a Question please
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> Spider,  you just did. :) care to ask another?
[04:02] <JOEYYYYYY> Yeah i got it now. Everythings working.
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> !ask
[04:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:02] <warhol> what is the best visual effect manager to install on kubuntu?
[04:02] <tinin> http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/ <warhol>
[04:02] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  clarify that term.. :)
[04:03] <warhol> yeah...heh
[04:03] <warhol> dont know if compiz is a window manager or not
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> compiz is a window manager, yes
[04:03] <warhol> okay, to clarify, what is the best and easiest windows manager to install on kubuntu
[04:04] <warhol> ive already got my nvidia drivers and xgl working
[04:04] <Spider> I using ubuntu and and was looking for irc programs and stumbled across this chat room and was wondering whats kubuntu??
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  dozens of them - depends on your needs.
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:04] <tinin> kde will have those kind of effects natively in kde4, till then, gnome+compiz is better i guess
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> Windowmaker is rather straight forward. icewm is VERY straightfor4ward
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde as the DE
[04:04] <warhol> Dr: im basically looking for the 3d cube trick
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> same base, different desktop environment
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  that has nothing to do with 'best/easiest'
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> :)
[04:04] <warhol> yeah
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> !beryl
[04:04] <warhol> heh
[04:04] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:04] <Spider> whats kde? im kinda new to linux
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> this is for those that wish gnome were as small as its name implies :D
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> !kde
[04:04] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> Spider,  a desktop enviroment. = window manager + support apps  + filemanager
[04:05] <warhol> is there any window manager installed with kubuntu?
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> kwin
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> if you are using Kubuntyu, you are most likely using KDE.
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  KDE has kwin as its window manager
[04:05] <Spider> oh!
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: he's using ubuntu
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> gnomie
[04:05] <warhol> can it do those cool thangs
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not yet
[04:05] <intelikey> i can not b'leave i let you talk me in to dl'ing 10m on slodem that is going to ask me to agree with a license that i will not agree with...      what's wrong with me today?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> gnome implies a small footprint , but it aint ;)
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  beryl is a SPECIAL window manager that does those cool things
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: exactly what i said :P
[04:06] <hambobo> how do i use wine
[04:06] <warhol> alright
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> !wine | hambobo
[04:06] <ubotu> hambobo: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> beryls main 'feature' is all that useless eye candy
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> :)
[04:06] <Spider> yup
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: got some hd space to play with?
[04:06] <Spider> hehe yup
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <Spider> 350gb
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yup, just remebering my old norse bedtime stories ...they were long and exciting and full of gnomes
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and definitely use aptitude
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> NOT apt-get
[04:07] <rockets> I'm about to try Kubuntu 64-bit
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> because if you want to remove it easily aptitude will make life better :)
[04:07] <soulrider> intelikey: why wont you agree with the licence ?
[04:07] <intelikey> i would have said  KDE  rather than kubuntu-desktop also...
[04:07] <soulrider> i must admit i never read a single propietary software licence :P
[04:07] <warhol> darn beryl's wiki is down due to vandalizim : (
[04:08] <robby> how can i click the OK on the java agreement? o.0
[04:08] <rockets> robby, click ok.
[04:08] <intelikey> soulrider that's why
[04:08] <rockets> :-P
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: why is that?  he was originally asking about what kubuntu was
[04:08] <robby> i tryed :P
[04:08] <Spider> what will that do?
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm showing him
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> that will install the kubuntu packages
[04:08] <robby> nothing...it's in the command line
 compiz fusion is the newest effect manager, you can grab it from the repositories listed here http://compiz.org/Compiz_and_Compiz_Fusion_GIT_Ubuntu_Repository
[04:08] <Spider> but i will still have ubuntu?
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> after it installs, you can log out of gnome and log in to kde
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> you will have both :)
[04:09] <Spider> 2 mins
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> probably longer than that.
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> I have about 9 window managers/desktops installed at the moment.
[04:09] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido oh i scrolled up and saw "<Spider> whats kde? im kinda new to linux" <<<< and thought that was the Q
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> no harm no foul
[04:09] <warhol> tintin: thanks
[04:09] <soulrider> Dr_willis_: you insane ?
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> soulrider,  i got different reasons for different ones. :)
[04:09] <tinin> tinin ;P
[04:09] <Spider> what was that command again please?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: windowmaker, kde, gnome, enlightenment, fluxbox, blackbox, icewm...  i'm out
[04:10] <robby> oh well java is junk anyway
[04:10] <soulrider> Dr_willis_.... bit 9? =/
[04:10] <warhol> tinin: that does work on kubuntu as well, correct?
[04:10] <soulrider> robby: java sint junk
[04:10] <ice9> trying to start automatix2
[04:10] <warhol> tinin: just to be sure im not trippin
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <ice9> I get this
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  i like 'matchbox' for some reasons
[04:10] <ice9> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:10] <ice9>   File "/usr/bin/automatix.py", line 34, in <module>
[04:10] <ice9>     from resin_config import *
[04:10] <ice9>   File "/usr/lib/automatix2/resin_config.py", line 12, in <module>
[04:10] <ice9>     import gtk, gtk.glade
[04:10] <ice9> ImportError: No module named gtk
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> ice9,  do NOT use automatix..
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> ice9: you're better off without it.
[04:10] <ice9> k
[04:11] <Dr_willis_> theres very little need for it these days..
[04:11] <BluesKaj> !automatix | ice9
[04:11] <ubotu> ice9: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
 not so good, it has some errors, but you can try it
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> there's nothing it can do these days that you can't already do by default :)
[04:11] <ice9> ouch
[04:11] <ice9> ok sounds good
[04:11] <ice9> thanks
[04:11] <ice9> is there anyway we can try out plasma
[04:11] <ice9> in kde 3.5
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i used automatix in the early days, back when it was a script and just *ran*, installing everything :(  it made my computer sad
[04:12] <soulrider> ice9: i dont think so
[04:12] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: LOL
[04:12] <ice9> nice
[04:12] <intelikey> ice9 where did you get automatix?  i want to try it.
[04:12] <ice9> from the site
[04:12] <warhol> tinin: well what's the most stable?
[04:12] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: its always a good idea to have an installation you can delete just to test things out
[04:12] <ice9> also I tried the deps too
 none at the moment
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: i was dual booting at the time :)
[04:12] <warhol> : (
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> so even with a sad linux install, it was better than a happy windows one.
[04:13] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: with windoors?
[04:13] <warhol> well which one have you had the BEST experience with?
[04:13] <thx1137_> !WorksForMe
[04:13] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:13] <ice9> trying to get xen to work
[04:13] <ice9> using an iso of debian etch
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> warhol,  best in what way...
[04:13] <intelikey> there's an automatix site  ;/  ?\
[04:13] <ice9> yep
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> are we still taliong about Beryl.stuff? or window managers in general?
[04:13] <warhol> fancy stuff that works and doesnt crash
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: so... what's matchbox like?
[04:14] <Spider> Daisuke_ido:> so what's the diffrence between Gnome& kde?
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: the entire philosophy
[04:14] <ice9> kde is flashing gnome is pratical
[04:14] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  its designed for 'handheld' embeded devices. every app is fullscreen. small launcher menu. :)
[04:14] <ice9> flashy
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> kde apps tend to be more tightly integrated
[04:14] <soulrider> Spider: theya re just different enviroments, different interfaces
[04:14] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  rather 'odd' for a desktop box. but its ok for what i set it up for, :)
 but just try it, all you need to do once it is installed is to run this command in a console: compiz --replace            you will like it
[04:14] <joey__> Is there a version of fedora with just 1 .iso?
[04:14] <joey__> Im seeing 4 online.
[04:15] <Dr_willis_> matchbox is NOT related to fluxbox/openbox/blackbox
[04:15] <soulrider> joey__: no idea, ask them not us :P
[04:15] <ice9> the dvd
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> eww, fedora
[04:15] <warhol> trying compiz right now
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> a big difference between gnome and kde is customization.  with gnome, customization options are a little hidden, with kde, it's all laid out
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> install them both.. try them both out.. :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> see which one ya end up using the most
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...  anyone have anything to add?
[04:16] <Spider> i like customisation
[04:16] <Spider> :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis_> set up a script that runs a random window manager. :)
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be interesting
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i bet Dr_willis_ has CDE installed too
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> I make custome 'x sessions' that run specific window managers for specific needs.
[04:17] <Spider> I need to learn some new stuff
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  not that one. :)
 it is a long story, but beryl and compiz were the old programs to do this, now they unified and it works very stable, the only problem is that kde is not able to manage well these effects. It will on kde4
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> wow
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: you're in the right place
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> gotta love a 'c64' desktop session that loads vice, and geos disks. :)
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[04:17] <Dr_willis_> or a 'mame' Login session :)
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> that's pretty sweer
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> sweet
[04:17] <Spider> cool
[04:17] <intelikey> looks like 4 out of 10 links on the automatix.org page have the word ubuntu in them
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> how about an amiga login?
[04:17] <robby> im using kde. wen i reboot all my window reopen from last i rebooted. is there a way to keep it from doing that?
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> or 'games' and just a simple window manager with a few game icons on the desktop
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  the amiga emulator under Linux is.. well.. lacking in ways. :(
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: that's because automatix was originally designed for, and is still primatily designed for, ubuntu
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> actually VICE under ubuntu feisty has a bug that makes it unuseable also. :(
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: UAE isn't up to par?
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> :(
[04:18] <intelikey> robby configure it to start with an empty session
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that sucks
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  compared to WinUAE - its rather lacking
 yes, but not sure where
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> then configure your session to launch WinUAE through wine :D
[04:19] <hambobo> i used wine for installation files but it says `module not found`
[04:19] <robby> intelikey that's what i need a fresh session
[04:19] <Spider> ubuntu I find for a beginer to linux is fairly good I'm just amazed that I've not loaded any cd for any of my devices
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, how could i forget xfce :D
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> great for low-end machines
[04:20] <robby> intelikey found it in session manager thx
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: and THAT is a huge difference between windows and linux
[04:20] <Dr_willis_> !info ktimer
[04:20] <intelikey> empty is the term, you want
[04:20] <ubotu> ktimer: timer utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 76 kB, installed size 268 kB
[04:21] <warhol> just gotta restart my xserver now
[04:21] <intelikey> what neet stuff can i do with a printer cable and tons of electronic components......................
[04:22] <Spider> windows for ever dowloading updates, it's sloppy programming
[04:22] <intelikey> robotics   toster controls    rocket launchers  digital camera controllers....        hmmm  ?
[04:23] <intelikey> Spider there seem to be more updates in ubuntu
[04:24] <Spider> since I've had this system 2 weeks Ive just today downloaded 2updates
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: and there are, because it's not just OS updates, it's repo-installed app updates, as well
[04:25] <Spider> it installed it'self and i had no restart
[04:25] <Spider> easy
[04:25] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido arent some of the windows updates NON-SYSTEMIC ?
[04:25] <warhol> well
[04:25] <warhol> the compiz effects are workin
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: only if they're updates for IE or office
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> in other words: MS software only
[04:25] <warhol> but i dont have any bars for my windows
[04:25] <Dr_willis_> I love how windows wants me to install the 'curency converter tool' all the time
[04:26] <warhol> you know, the x, minimize, etc
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: nvidia?
[04:26] <warhol> yep
[04:26] <warhol> is that a problem?
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> no, but i can tell you how to fix it
[04:26] <warhol> yay
 now configure it in CompizConfig Settings Manager
[04:26] <Spider> dr willis I always had windows installer poping up
[04:26] <warhol> alright
[04:27] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido heh i guess some things have changed some sense i used windows    (last century)
[04:27] <warhol> what setting do i change?
 wich bars?
[04:27] <tinin> window borders?
[04:27] <warhol> the one on top of all the windows
[04:27] <elite101> why doesnt my kubuntu work? i had it working b4 and then when i go to boot it up the Xserver or something panics? so i overclocked my computer down to 660Mhz and it works fine?
[04:27] <warhol> with close, minimize, maximize
[04:27] <tinin> ah
[04:27] <Dr_willis_> overclocked my computer down to 660Mhz............. Hmmmmmmmmm...
[04:28] <warhol> that's overclocking?
[04:28] <elite101> if i do an overclocking of 750Mhz the kubuntu wont load? but when i go to 660Mhz it works fine (my p3 is 551Mhz original)
[04:28] <Spider> underclocking
 you should install emerald and emerald-themes
[04:28] <warhol> there's nothing i can try right now?
[04:28] <intelikey> dr_willis that's what i'm saying...
[04:29] <Spider> could it be a cooling problem
[04:29] <tinin> you will have to configure the effects you want <warhol>
[04:29] <elite101> lol i have to "underclock" for kubuntu to load i did an 109Mhz increase for 660Mhz its only @ 45c and if i go to 750Mhz its at 49/50 wich is okay fo rme
[04:29] <warhol> i just want my menu bar back : (
[04:29] <elite101> but not for kubuntu?
[04:29] <elite101> any warhol?
[04:29] <elite101> andy warhol*
[04:29] <elite101> lol the famous painter?
[04:29] <warhol> he's dead
[04:30] <elite101> yeah i know
[04:30] <warhol> i could get use to using keyboard shortcuts
[04:30] <warhol> w/e
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[04:30] <Spider> pants
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> you're going to need that in the "Screen" section of xorg.conf
[04:30] <warhol> is that directed to me?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a command to add it, but i'll be darned if i can remember it right now
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: yes
[04:30] <warhol> kk
[04:31] <Spider> how do I find other chat rooms?
 install all the stuff related to compiz fusion, emerald, aquamarine, and avant-window-navigator
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> avant-window-navigator?
[04:31] <tinin> or something like that
[04:31] <tinin> awn
[04:32] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, what IS it
[04:32] <warhol> uhh, that option is already set to true
[04:32] <Daisuke_Ido> install emerald-themes
 you should try, it is an animated menu similar to macox
[04:32] <intelikey> spider /join #blah      you could /list    but you better filter it cause it may dos you
[04:32] <warhol> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[04:32] <warhol> is set to true
[04:32] <warhol> already was there
[04:32] <warhol> ill try emerald
[04:33] <Spider> dos?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald-themes should help you out
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> denial of service
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> basically flood you with information to the point you disconnect
[04:33] <Spider> that's not good!
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> no, no it's not
[04:33] <tinin> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3875372171296774565&hl=es <Daisuke_Ido>
[04:33] <warhol> arent dos attacks easily avoided?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not really an attach though
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> attack
[04:34] <Spider> more of a tickle?
[04:34] <intelikey> warhol yes    and invoked
[04:34] <warhol> heh, true
[04:34] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> tinin: it's a dock
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> a very nice looking one
[04:35] <tinin> yeah
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> how stable is it?
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> because that would be awesome with my new kde look :D
[04:35] <intelikey> put it like this   issuing   /list     on freenode.net is a first person shooter game  :)
[04:35] <tinin> I did not tried it lately
[04:35] <tinin> i'll see
[04:35] <mike> Is doing "sudo reboot now" any less clean than rebooting from within KDE (e.g., if other apps are running)?
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> mike: nah, still sends it to runlevel 6...  it'll keep your session, afaik
[04:36] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: Cool, thanks
[04:36] <XcercaX> is there a way to install yumex in ubuntu,  i had it in fedora but can't figure out how yo get in ububtu
[04:36] <Spider> why is this download so long!!!
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: because there's a lot to download :D
[04:36] <Dr_willis_> Darn it. got a 'cdi' cd image file...
[04:36] <warhol> alright, installing emerald now
[04:36] <mike> Has anyone here successfully compiled the latest ATI driver from GIT? The one in the repos doesn't do 3D accel. on my card.
[04:36] <Dr_willis_> !find cdi
[04:36] <ubotu> Found: libcdio-dev, libcdio6, docdiff, gstreamer0.8-cdio, libcdio-cdda-dev (and 6 others)
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: acetone-iso
[04:37] <Soulwarp> XcercaX ubuntu uses a different package handler
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> !info acetone-iso
[04:37] <ubotu> Package acetone-iso does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  k3b cant burn them eh?
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> acetone will convert for you
[04:37] <Dr_willis_> How annoying.
[04:37] <warhol> restarting xserver...now
[04:37] <dmuser> Does anyone know how I install ndiswrapper off of a cd?
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> !info acetoneiso
[04:37] <XcercaX> so just use synaptic and apt-get then ?
[04:37] <ubotu> Package acetoneiso does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> oh it most certainly does too!
[04:38] <Soulwarp> XcercaX apt-get is like yum
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> except it doesn't use evil rpms :)
[04:38] <warhol> installed emerald
[04:38] <Spider> Daisuke_ido:> will wine work with kubuntu?
[04:39] <Soulwarp> yes
[04:39] <warhol> but now the compiz effects arent working anymore
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: oh yes
[04:39] <intelikey> !botsnack
[04:39] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> warhol: you'll need to start compiz
[04:39] <warhol> compiz in the terminal?
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> compiz --replace
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[04:39] <XcercaX> what do you use to get wine onto ubuntu ?
[04:39] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- Adept does it quite well
[04:40] <warhol> yeah, now i dont have the menu bars
[04:40] <Soulwarp> instead of rpms ubuntu uses the debian package system
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> start emerald
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald --replace
[04:40] <tinin> emerald --replace
[04:40] <XcercaX> do you have to add any new repositories ?
[04:40] <Dragnslcr> !info wine
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, they're all in place already
[04:40] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[04:40] <tinin> or you could use aquamarine, wich matches the kde theme
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, avant is gorgeous.
[04:40] <Dragnslcr> Pretty sure universe is enabled by default
[04:40] <intelikey> XcercaX or synaptic or aptitude or apt-get
[04:40] <Soulwarp> XcercaX there are all there, even the universal
[04:40] <warhol> allright
[04:40] <warhol> thanks
[04:41] <warhol> got my bars now
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> but i get the same thing with that i did with kiba-dock :\
[04:41] <intelikey> dselect maybe
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> a black bar over the bottom portion of the screen, with the doc atop that
[04:41] <mike> XcercaX: If you want the latest version of Wine, you can find the repo at winehq.org
[04:41] <Spider> is 59.4kb/s fast?
[04:41] <mike> depends on the country you're in. :-P
[04:41] <Dragnslcr> kb/s or KB/s?
[04:42] <Spider> kB/s
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that's decent
[04:42] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  hmm kiso is supposed to be able to convert cdi to iso.. the question is will the converted one WORK in the dreamcast i got. :)
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Not exceptionally fast, but not particularly slow
[04:42] <XcercaX> i think i will have to do that,  i searched synaptic and adept for wine and got no results,   i'm having no lucking finding anything,  thats why i wanted to use yumex,  but i probobly just don't have adept set up right
[04:42] <Soulwarp> mmm i remember dreamcast
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- using Adept?
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> picked one up at a used-game shop. :)
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis_: NOW you're talking my language :D
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> it will not
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> use discjuggler in wine
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> ok :)
[04:43] <Dr_willis_> ya got to wonder WTH they are doing with those cd image files.
[04:44] <Soulwarp> Dr_willis_ be careful a lot of them had cooling issues and been known to reboot when overheated
[04:44] <Spider> can I connect up my ps2
[04:44] <elite101> hey i installed a PCI network card doubbled as a sound card and my "sound/mutimedia devices" in the controll panel are set to auto detect hardware but it still shows an X on the Kmix in the systray?
[04:44] <XcercaX> yea,  i see Wine in Adept but's it's grayed out, like i can't mark it for installation
[04:44] <intelikey> !repos | XcercaX your sources.list may need this page...
[04:44] <ubotu> XcercaX your sources.list may need this page...: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:44] <Dr_willis_> Daisuke_Ido,  use diskjuggler to burn them? or to convert them?
[04:44] <Dragnslcr> XcercaX- that's weird, I don't think I've ever seen anything grayed out in Adept
[04:44] <XcercaX> alright,  thanks guys,  i'll try those
[04:45] <elite101> ^
[04:45] <Soulwarp> :)
[04:46] <XcercaX> yea,  i know,   i just switched from fedora today to get a program running...   just taking some time getting everything set up
[04:46] <elite101> hey i installed a PCI network card doubbled as a sound card and my "sound/mutimedia devices" in the controll panel are set to auto detect hardware but it still shows an X on the Kmix in the systray?
[04:47] <warhol> i installed emerald
[04:47] <elite101> xD
[04:47] <Spider> help
[04:48] <warhol> but now when i try emerald --replace it works
[04:48] <elite101> no help me i havent had sound for like 3days and i tried 3diffrent cards
[04:48] <warhol> but in the console im getting (emerald:16849): Wnck-WARNING **: Unhandled action type (nil)
[04:48] <Spider> terminal's doin some strange stuff from that sudo apigate thing
[04:48] <XcercaX> i can't even manage repositores in Adept,  when i klick adept in the program the only option is quit...    ,     mabey i have somthing wrong,   is my user password the same as the root/su password for progams and console ?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> same as yer login
[04:49] <BluesKaj> usually
[04:49] <warhol> and then when i close the terminal the emerald themes go away
[04:49] <warhol> and it back to no bars
[04:49] <Soulwarp> XcercaX it's usually the same PW
[04:49] <XcercaX> thats what i thought,   is that the same as the su  pass ?
[04:50] <Soulwarp> XcercaX yes
[04:50] <BluesKaj> sudo
[04:50] <Soulwarp> XcercaX sudo give admin rights to a action in the console
[04:50] <Spider> daisuke_ido> ive got configuring kdm select the dfault display manager
 it is the way it is
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: no
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> leave gdm for now
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> the difference is integration
[04:51] <Soulwarp> XcercaX instead of having to log into root account
[04:51] <intelikey> XcercaX no.   sudo uses the issuing users password   su uses the target users password
[04:52] <XcercaX> ok,   it's ok,  i'm just an idiot,   i was using adept installer and thought it was the same as adept package manager
[04:52] <BluesKaj> it is
[04:53] <Dragnslcr> Sort of
 but there's a compiz tray icon useful to control it, i found it somewhere, but those questions you can talk them at #ubuntu-effects
[04:53] <Spider> daisuke_ido can I just exit the terminal?
[04:53] <Dragnslcr> Installer has categories and applications, Manager lists all packages individually
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> Spider: if it's all done, yes
[04:53] <BluesKaj> adept updater is the one that breaks things , try to avoid it ...it will be sitting in the panel telling to update something when you logon
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> then log out, and select kde from the session menu, and lock back in :)
[04:54] <Dragnslcr> I've never had the updater break anything
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> log*
[04:54] <intelikey> and i'm lagging like ninty five minutes or something so if i answer something that was asked yesterday don't think anything of it....
[04:54] <warhol> #ubuntu-effects
[04:54] <warhol> crap
[04:54] <Soulwarp> i had adept fix a few broken packages
[04:54] <Dragnslcr> Missed a /join
[04:55] <BluesKaj> one has to be carewf ul with it , cuz it doesn't track dependencies as well as it should when caslling for a package update
[04:56] <BluesKaj> mispelling is worse now...getting tired , sacktime ...  nite gents, take care :)
[04:56] <mike> What's the line in /etc/network/interfaces under which everything should be commented out?
[04:58] <intelikey> lo
[04:59] <Soulwarp> mike what are you trying to do?
[05:00] <mike> Soulwarp: Get my wireless card working. For some reason, just doing "sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" isn't *just working* on this one. it's a bcm4318
[05:02] <Soulwarp> i havn't tryed installing a wlan
[05:03] <XcercaX> how can you change the write permisions to a file?
[05:03] <intelikey> !wifi
[05:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:03] <elite101> #kubuntu-offtopic   (dont mind this)
[05:03] <mike> XcercaX: Right-click -> properties in Konqueror, or chmod
[05:03] <intelikey> XcercaX you probably don't want to,   but chmod  is the command
[05:04] <intelikey> XcercaX you probably want to edit it as root rather than changing it's prems....   just a guess.       kdesu kate /path/to/file.name
[05:06] <XcercaX> i'm actualy just trying to install the nvidia driver for my video card,  some of the things i read said to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  after installing that package,  and the return is
[05:06] <XcercaX> dit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[05:06] <XcercaX> from nv to nvidia.
[05:07] <Soulwarp> XcercaX you can change it using system settings
[05:07] <Soulwarp> after you install the driver
[05:07] <Soulwarp> that's what i did
[05:08] <Soulwarp> system settings is located in the k menu
[05:08] <intelikey> yeah or      kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf           but don't monkey with perms on files in /etc
[05:09] <XcercaX> SoulWarp   thanks  ,   work with that
[05:09] <mike> Sometimes a random key on my keyboard "sticks" - it's been released but it acts like it hasn't and rapidly repeats the keypress. Any ideas?
[05:10] <dsmith_> new keyboard
[05:10] <soulrider> lol
[05:10] <mike> it's a laptop
[05:10] <soulrider> mike: i doubt its a software issue
[05:10] <mike> and it doesn't do it in windows :X
[05:10] <intelikey> or clean it
[05:10] <dsmith_> same, replace w/ new keypad
[05:10] <soulrider> oh
[05:10] <CDX> Hi! I've just installed Kubuntu AMD64 7.04 on my system to replace my old Ubuntu Feisty system. But it just dies after I log in to the fresch system, It said that the KDE first login wizzard coud'nt launch. Any ideas?
[05:10] <dsmith_> hmmmmm
[05:10] <Soulwarp> XcercaX in system settings monitor & display>hardware>administrator mode (to change nv-nvidia)
[05:10] <dsmith_> its windows fault obviously
[05:11] <mike> lol
[05:11] <intelikey> mike oh it that ati chipset thing...  eeek
[05:11] <mike> intelikey: that had crossed my mind, wasn't sure though
[05:11] <intelikey> i don't recall what i had to do to stop that
[05:11] <dsmith_> what laptop make and model?
[05:11] <mike> intelikey: it's the same with the FGLRX driver?
[05:11] <XcercaX> alright,  let me reset xwindows
[05:11] <intelikey> oh yeah i had to change from 64 to 32 bit linux
[05:12] <mike> pavilion dv8309us
[05:12] <dsmith_> wow new one
[05:12] <mike> i'm already on 32, although it's a turion 64
[05:12] <intelikey> mike it's not the vidio driver its the mboard chipset
[05:12] <mike> oh. hmm
[05:12] <dsmith_> I wonder if anyone else had this problem befoe
[05:13] <dsmith_> did you do any research on it
[05:13] <intelikey> mike umm trying to remember if i did anything else...
[05:14] <intelikey> dsmith_ me   heck no  i just banged around in the /etc dir till i stopped the problem    heh
[05:14] <mike> dsmith_: googling "pavilion 8309 keyboard ubuntu" returns two results, neither of any help
[05:15] <Soulwarp> on my pc when that happens i usually junk it for another brand...hard to do with a laptop
[05:16] <mike> it's on my grandfather's laptop and he didn't mention anything about it, so i'd imagine it doesn't do it that often. just something i noticed
[05:17] <dsmith_> mike: I dont know what to say
[05:17] <Soulwarp> maybe something in the physical keyboard if all else fails
[05:17] <mike> dsmith_, Soulwarp, thanks anyway
[05:17] <Soulwarp> :/
[05:17] <intelikey> mike i honestly don't recall what "if anything" besides changing from 64 to 32 bit i did,   i remmeber it drove me crazy   frame buffering was hosed so i couldn't access a 'visable' console  and inside of x the keyboard was wac.        heh it was a brand new lappy with vesta on it,  i booted a live cd and issued cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda   and went to work...   the guy that owns it is quite satisfied with the end result  bu
[05:18] <dsmith_> I would be really interested if you could image that drive to an exact laptop and try it, but thats kinda hard to do
[05:19] <dsmith_> M$
[05:19] <intelikey> probably is M4
[05:19] <Soulwarp> what key is it? and is it always the same one?
[05:20] <intelikey> Soulwarp was random on the one i'm talking about
[05:20] <mike> Soulwarp: nope, it's random.
[05:20] <Soulwarp> ah
[05:20] <dsmith_> wow
[05:21] <intelikey> DRM did it!    it's all fritz' fault.
[05:21] <dsmith_> HP hardware detects linux so it decides to mess with you. "Dude, lets mess with the human by locking up various keys. That will teach him."
[05:22] <dsmith_> yea, DRM
[05:24] <intelikey> well M$  DRM   saten maybe...   </shrugs>
[05:24] <intelikey> it's all evil.
[05:24] <soulrider> m$ sucks
[05:24] <mike> umm... i hate windows as much as anyone else here, but isn't it a little silly to say the keyboard not working properly in linux is an m$ problem?
[05:25] <soulrider> i tried vista the other day,t he only thing i liked was the eye candy... and not that much...
[05:25] <mike> vista's eye-candy is garbage next to Compiz-Fusion
[05:25] <Soulwarp> remember the winmodems back in the day?
[05:25] <soulrider> it took me over a minute to figure out how to save a file someone was sending me to the desktop... talk about bad usability
[05:26] <elite101> what is the line to install java run time 6
[05:26] <wolferine> what can I use to get info on a video file?
[05:26] <mike> elite101: "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" - you probably want sun-java6-plugin also
[05:26] <wolferine> codecs, audio, framerates, video, etc...
[05:26] <elite101> k
[05:27] <intelikey> wolferine file maybe ?
[05:28] <wolferine> no, more specific about a movie file
[05:29] <wolferine> idvid, I got it :)
[05:29] <Soulwarp> wolferine right click it>properties>meta info
[05:29] <Soulwarp> kk
[05:30] <pookito> what is up?
[05:30] <Soulwarp> me...i should be sleeping
[05:30] <Soulwarp> :)
[05:30] <intelikey> tov yom Soulwarp
[05:38] <intelikey> hmmm why do people writing shell scripts repete echo on each line ?     that seems so....  wrong.
[05:40] <mike> wow. even i don't do it that way, and i'm a script-noob :-P
[05:44] <Soulwarp> anyone ever use the Keep application?
[05:44] <Soulwarp> system backup
[05:47] <mrksbrd1> has anybody attempted to use a verizon aircard under linux?
[05:49] <Soulwarp> mrksbrd1 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506330
[05:50] <Soulwarp> hope that helps
[05:58] <dfrey> How do I change my keyboard layout setting?  I think it detected it wrong when I installed because my apostrophe does not work.
[06:00] <Soulwarp> dfrey try system settings>keyboard &mouse
[06:00] <Soulwarp> in the k menu
[06:01] <Soulwarp> hm don't think that's it
[06:02] <Dragnslcr> System Settings -> Regional and Language
[06:05] <AlabamaSlamma> I just installed kubuntu, I tried both the cd and the dvdrom and I have it running, but I get an error when I click on the desktop settings
[06:05] <lorderunion> hi. i'm having a problem with my nic on a gateway m680 laptop. running the live cd i am able to access the internet, but running off of the hard drive it no longer works.
[06:05] <AlabamaSlamma> it keeps complaining that a power application caused a failure
[06:06] <mike> lorderunion: what kind of wireless card is it?
[06:06] <AlabamaSlamma> I finished setting up my dual head configuration by hand editing the xorg.conf
[06:06] <lorderunion> mike: it's a hardwired card. and i don't know. this is my girlfriends laptop.
[06:06] <lorderunion> mike: is there a way i can see the name of the hardware?
[06:07] <mike> lorderunion: check the output of of "lspci" in Konsole
[06:07] <Nutubuntu> Hello room ... what is the KDE way to set up a program to run when I start my session?
[06:07] <mike> Nutubuntu: Run command -> konqueror ~/.kde/Autostart and drag and drop from KMenu into that folder
[06:08] <Nutubuntu> t/y mike :)
[06:08] <mike> np
[06:08] <lorderunion> on netextreme bcm5705_2 gigabit ethnernet (rev 03
[06:08] <lorderunion> broadcom netextreme*
[06:09] <mike> lorderunion: hmm... there's a package that contains the source for the driver, not sure how hard it would be to compile
[06:09] <dfrey> Dragnslcr: thanks
[06:09] <mike> you might google around for that model card and "ubuntu"
[06:09] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:09] <lorderunion> mike: any idea why it would work on the live cd, and not on an install?
[06:09] <ubuntu__> can anybody help me that
[06:09] <ubuntu__> iam trying to install
[06:09] <ubuntu__> ubuntu 7.04 on
[06:10] <ubuntu__> intel 845gvsr board
[06:10] <mike> lorderunion: if i had to guess, i'd say it loads restricted modules on the live cd that aren't actually part of the installation, but i don't know
[06:11] <lorderunion> hmm interesting
[06:11] <lorderunion> thanks for the help.
[06:12] <el_isma> anyone uses TeXmacs? how do I automatically reference an equation? (numbered by Alt+*)
[06:12] <mike> np. try installing that package (bcm5700-source) and looking at the files it installed. that's probably all you need
[06:13] <mike> lorderunion: if you try that, you might want to run "sudo apt-get build-dep bcm5700-source" before trying to compile it
[06:15] <lorderunion> mike: sure thing.
[06:15] <Kr4t05> Guh... Anyone want to help me chase issues with gConf?
[06:15] <lorderunion> mike: says it could not open /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_source_Sources
[06:16] <lorderunion> mike: no such file or dir.
[06:16] <mm_202> Can ALSA only be used by one program at a time??
[06:17] <Kr4t05> I get this error when I start up gconf-editor and I can't seem to figure it out: http://pastebin.com/m6bbe7555
[06:17] <el_isma> mm_202: no, alsa should share among all programs using it
[06:18] <mm_202> el_isma: thanks, I guess I just have something jacked up, it seems that only the Sound Test (from the Sound System panel) works, or Amarok or only feasival, but never inter-mixed.
[06:18] <mike> lorderunion: what did you run to get that output?
[06:18] <ubuntu__> pls help me
[06:18] <mm_202> I've had sound problems before and had to reinstall all asound alsa pkgs to fix it, but I guess I still missed somethiung
[06:18] <lorderunion> mike: sudo apt-get bcm5700-source
[06:19] <ubuntu__> iam trying to install ubuntu fiest fawn on my 845gvsr desktop
[06:19] <ubuntu__> iam unable to do that
[06:19] <lorderunion> mike: sudo apt-get build-deo bcm5700-source ** sorry. trying to multitask here
[06:19] <mm_202> ubuntu__: what error(s) are you getting?
[06:20] <el_isma> mm_202: you could try setting the default to ALSA (in sound setup). If anything uses OSS then it only plays from that program.
[06:20] <Kr4t05> Anyone got any clues as to my problem above?
[06:21] <intelikey> Kr4t05 i did look  but no clue.
[06:21] <Kr4t05> Drat...
[06:21] <mike> lorderunion: you mean build-dep, right? works fine here. sounds like somethings wrong with your APT :-\
[06:22] <lorderunion> mike: crap. what should i do then?
[06:22] <mm_202> el_isma: Okay, I will try that.  Is there a command to restart alsa?  Sometimes when I click 'Apply' in Sound System, it brings up the 'Restarting Sound System' dialog but when it hits a 100% it just restarts at 0%, indefiitely.
[06:23] <el_isma> mm_202: sudo ./etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[06:23] <mike> lorderunion: what's "sudo apt-get install bcm5700-source" give you?
[06:23] <el_isma> mm_202: though I'm not sure how much of it gets restarted
[06:23] <lorderunion> mike: couldn't find package bcm5700-source
[06:23] <mike> sudo apt-get update?
[06:24] <mike> can you pastebin your sources.list?
[06:24] <mike> (it's in /etc/apt)
[06:24] <mm_202> el_isma:  It seems that all my sound problems started when I checked the 'Enable Networked Sound' box, its unchecked now, but still seems buggy.  Does alsa have a conf file that I can edit manually?
[06:24] <lorderunion> mike: cant run apt-get update because i dont have a net connection on the laptop (im on my desktop atm
[06:25] <mike> oh, well that's probably why you're getting errors. heh
[06:25] <el_isma> mm_202: not that I know of
[06:25] <lorderunion> heh. is there any way i can download the driver, burn it onto a cd?
[06:25] <mike> lorderunion: no ethernet jack on the laptop?
[06:25] <lorderunion> yeah. that's what im trying to get to work, lol.
[06:26] <mike> lorderunion: i thought you were trying to get the wireless connection on it to work
[06:26] <mm_202> el_isma:  the settings have to be stored somewhere :/  lol, KDE doesnt have like a Windows-like regedit does it? :P
[06:27] <lorderunion> oh no. wireless appears to be fine, there's just no unprotected networks around here to try to connect to.
[06:27] <el_isma> mm_202: wash your mouth! :P
[06:27] <mike> mm_202: everything's kept in its own file in kde.
[06:27] <el_isma> mm_202: KDE doesn't store alsa's info, alsa is separated from KDE.
[06:27] <mike> and in linux for that matter
[06:28] <mike> lorderunion: oh ok
[06:28] <mm_202> mike: lol, I know, was just a bad joke :)
[06:28] <mike> mm_202: oh ok. heh :-)
[06:28] <mm_202> Okay, I'll google around till I find the file(s).  You guys want me to post it in here, fyi?
[06:28] <el_isma> mm_202: yes, please
[06:28] <mike> mm_202: sure
[06:28] <lorderunion> mike: i'm going to try to burn the bcm5700-source package to a cd and try it on the laptop
[06:28] <mike> lorderunion: i don't think that's what you need
[06:29] <mike> lorderunion: can you pastebin the output of lspci?
[06:29] <raylu> <3 xming
[06:29] <lorderunion> i can, but i'll need to manually write everything here
[06:30] <mike> oh yeah... duh. heh, sorry
[06:30] <mike> because i'm thinking the broadcom card in there is the wireless one
[06:31] <lorderunion> it's not. the wireless is an intel corp pro/wireless 2200bg
[06:31] <mike> oh, nevermind. just re-read what you said a second ago
[06:31] <lorderunion> k
[06:31] <intelikey> is /usr/bin/su-to-root ever used  ?
[06:31] <raylu> o.0?
[06:31] <raylu> for what?
[06:32] <raylu> i dont even have that file
[06:33] <mike> lorderunion: on the desktop, do this: "sudo apt-get clean" - that'll clear the cache of downloaded packages so what we're about to get won't get mixed up with everything else...
[06:34] <intelikey> really ?
[06:34] <lorderunion> ok
[06:34] <lorderunion> done
[06:34] <mike> lorderunion: now do "sudo apt-get -d install bcm5700-source" then "sudo apt-get -d build-dep bcm5700-source"
[06:34] <intelikey> it's just a script    i didn't think anything ever used it, just wonedred why it was there.
[06:36] <lorderunion> mike: damnit. it's saying i dont have module-assistant installed
[06:37] <mike> lorderunion: actually, my fault. take the "-d" out of the build-dep command - you'll just want to take note of what it installs and remove it once you're done with all this
[06:38] <Nutubuntu> Kr4t05: Did you run across this while trying to work out the issue: http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/users/2003-April/008919.html
[06:38] <mike> lorderunion: sudo apt-get install module-assistant ?
[06:39] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: Yeah...
[06:39] <lorderunion> couldn't find module-assistant
[06:39] <mike> on the desktop?
[06:39] <Nutubuntu> :/   was hoping some of that might have made sense somehow ... not that it does to me though
[06:39] <mike> that you're currently connect to the internet on?
[06:39] <mike> connected*
[06:39] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: I don't see how that helps me, because I don't use Nautilus... >>
[06:40] <Nutubuntu> there was some gconf involvement though
[06:40] <lorderunion> oh. i thought i was running this on the laptop. my b ad
[06:40] <Kr4t05> Nutubuntu: Well, if it doesn't make sense, don't bother trying to help...
[06:40] <Nutubuntu> K ... good luck to you, anyhow.
[06:40] <mike> pfft
[06:41] <mike> lorderunion: np
[06:41] <lorderunion> ok i can both of those successfully.
[06:41] <lorderunion> i ran*
[06:43] <mike> lorderunion: ok, now "sudo apt-get install aptoncd" then run aptoncd, make an iso containing all the packages it has listed and burn it
[06:43] <Nutubuntu> g'night all -
[06:43] <mike> g'nite
[06:44] <lorderunion> mike: awesome.
[06:44] <mike> lorderunion: once that's done, pop the cd in the laptop and from there run "sudo apt-cdrom add && sudo apt-get update" and then you'll be able to build-dep and install bcm5700-source
[06:45] <intelikey> ok i edited /usr/bin/su-to-root (reformat mostly) and it tries to make using su in an X env sane.  so i think i'll leave it there for now,  i can always rm it later
[06:45] <mike> aptoncd's a nice little app. you might get some other good uses out of that
[06:45] <lorderunion> sounds good
[06:46] <mike> lorderunion: have you ever compiled anything from source?
[06:46] <lorderunion> yeah back when i ran slackware for a while.
[06:47] <mike> lorderunion: probably asking this a bit late, but you already checked everything in the Network section of System Settings, right?
[06:47] <el_isma> what's a good alternative to Derive? (Computer Algebra System)
[06:48] <lorderunion> yeah that's all fine. it see's the eth0 ethernet nic. i just can't connect to my router
[06:48] <mike> ok. i'm just gonna feel like an asshole if you go through all this and it doesn't fix it. :-\
[06:49] <swilson> does any of those links show how to install things?
[06:49] <mike> swilson: what are you trying to install?
[06:50] <lorderunion> mike: damn. got the module-assistant problem with the pkgcd. time to run build-dep on module-assistant and build another cd?
[06:50] <swilson> anything lol i cant install no programs
[06:50] <allin__> swilson: http://usbuntuguide.org
[06:50] <allin__> http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:50] <lorderunion> mike: and lol. hopefully it'll fix it.
[06:52] <mike> lorderunion: hrmm... you could just burn the packages straight to a cd, copy them over, and do "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/packages/*.deb"
[06:52] <mike> the aptoncd method feels cleaner to me, but that should work too
[06:53] <lorderunion> path to packages being the cd mount?
[06:53] <elite101> good nite
[06:53] <mike> lorderunion: there aren't any wifi hotspots in your town?
[06:54] <khaije1> so how can i check to see if a hw purchase is linux compatible?
[06:54] <khaije1> is the ubuntu hwdb searchalble?
[06:54] <lorderunion> there are a bunch in my apartment complex. just the one that my girlfriend usually connects to isn't completely working. it stops at the
[06:54] <lorderunion> activation stage of "ip configuration started"
[06:55] <lorderunion> or rather, sits there for a minute or so then dies
[06:55] <mike> lorderunion: hangs at 28%, or 57%?
[06:55] <lorderunion> 57% heh
[06:56] <swilson> does linux work only in command prompt thingys?
[06:56] <el_isma> lorderunion: That network might have MAC filtering
[06:56] <lorderunion> ah! i got in!
[06:56] <lorderunion> yayz!
[06:56] <mike> hmm... are you sure the card's working properly? when mine is getting stuck at that step, it's not because of the connection point.
[06:56] <mike> it connected on the wireless?
[06:56] <lorderunion> yeah
[06:57] <lorderunion> im going to get everything updated as fast as i can before it stops working and i cant download the driver, heh
[06:57] <mike> nice. now you can just install and build-dep bcm5700-source and then all you need to do is compile it
[06:57] <el_isma> swilson: what do you mean? have you tried kubuntu? if you don't want to install, try the livecd
[06:57] <lorderunion> sweet.
[06:58] <swilson> i want my windows xp back but my uncle installed kubuntu
[06:58] <swilson> and i tried to watch youtube but i need flash players and stuff and i dont know how to install them
[06:58] <swilson> i got my divxinstaller to say -rwxr-xr-x i was proud of myself
[06:58] <se7en^Of^9> can someone help me with the find command ... i use find to find me all .jpg files and want to pipe the found jpg's to rename but i cant figure out how to do it ...  find -name "*jpg" -exec mv folder.jpg '{}' \;   this doesn't work and i have no idea anymore
[06:58] <swilson> then i got stuck
[06:59] <mike> swilson: there's a point-and-click way to do almost everything in kubuntu, but the "command prompt thingy" is easier when someone's explaining to you what to do
[06:59] <el_isma> swilson: try reading ubuntuguide.org
[06:59] <swilson> i like the point and click idea
[06:59] <swilson> i am reading that site now
[06:59] <swilson> i dont understand the command stuff
[07:00] <lorderunion> mike: didnt
[07:00] <mike> swilson: neither did i when i first started. ;-)
[07:00] <lorderunion> mike: didnt need to run build-dep, it installed fine. time to see if it worked
[07:00] <mike> lorderunion: ?
[07:00] <mike> lorderunion: you compiled it already?
[07:01] <lorderunion> mike: it installed the package.
[07:01] <mike> lorderunion: from the way i understood it, that doesn't install the driver
[07:02] <lorderunion> ah, heh ok. yeah, now "wired networks" is disabled in knetworkmanager
[07:02] <mike> lorderunion: i just read the long desc. of the package. it only contains the source
[07:02] <mike> lorderunion: you have to compile it
[07:02] <mike> which means you should build-dep it first
[07:02] <lorderunion> k. thought i had found some loophole, heh
[07:02] <mike> !bulid-dep
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulid-dep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <mike> hehe
[07:02] <lorderunion> lol
[07:03] <mike> build-dep tries to install all the packages a source package needs for it to compile properly
[07:03] <lorderunion> ok. running build-dep now. installl-----yeah
[07:03] <lorderunion> crap. i need to connect back to the wireless again
[07:04] <se7en^Of^9> someone see a mistake here i don't see?  find -name "*jpg" -exec mv * folder.jpg '{}' \;
[07:04] <lorderunion> encapsulate your exec in `
[07:05] <lorderunion> mike: thanks for being patient. i'm not all that great with hardware these days.
[07:05] <mike> heh, no problem
[07:06] <se7en^Of^9> lorderunion: it comes up with   mv: target `./Evil Empire/AlbumArtSmall.jpg' is not a directory
[07:07] <el_isma> se7en^Of^9: check your quotes
[07:08] <lorderunion> mike: ok i got the build-dep done.
[07:08] <el_isma> se7en^Of^9: or escape your spaces with "\" for example: Evil\ Empire
[07:09] <intelikey> tab vompletion
[07:09] <intelikey> completion maybe
[07:10] <mike> lorderunion: ok... now just look in Adept to find out where bcm5700-source installed its files to (i'm sure there's a command-line equivalent to find that out, but i don't know it) and compile
[07:11] <lorderunion> mike: will do
[07:14] <lorderunion> mike: Makefile:52: *** Links kernel source tree not found. Stop.
[07:15] <lorderunion> mike: i copied the tar.gz to my home directory to compile it
[07:15] <mike> lorderunion: do you have kernel-package installed?
[07:16] <lorderunion> no, heh
[07:16] <mike> not sure if you need it
[07:16] <mike> the desc. of bcm5700-source mentions it. :-\
[07:16] <lorderunion> just installed, ran make again and it failed on the same error
[07:16] <mike> there's no documentation with bcm5700?
[07:16] <lorderunion> i went to /usr/src and tried to untar the tar.gz and i got a bunch of errors with that
[07:17] <lorderunion> nvm. wasn't sudo
[07:17] <lorderunion> damnit. same error when running it within /usr/src.
[07:18] <intelikey> well i guess i'll try and run the .run file   i think i already know what will transit
[07:18] <mike> what about when you extracted in ~? any docs?
[07:18] <lorderunion> any what?
[07:19] <mike> documentation
[07:19] <lorderunion> ill brbrq
[07:20] <intelikey> oh kewl        WARNING: Skipping the runlevel check (the utility `runlevel` failed to
[07:20] <intelikey>            run).
[07:20] <intelikey> i really should fix that.    i know im in runlevel nine but the system doesn't seem too
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i just showed a quasi-friend the compositing window managers, and he's a "one-upper
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> "
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you all know the type, i'm sure
[07:22] <mike> one-upper?
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> "well, i can do that in windows AND play games"
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> nice try, putz...
[07:23] <mike> *snort*
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> a one-upper
[07:24] <Daisuke_Ido> anything you say, he can beat :\
[07:24] <intelikey> hey i have a question.   i downloaded the nvidia driver and when i ran the .run file it ask me to agree to some stupid stuff i have no intention of agreeing to,  now what's to keep me from editing the .run file and making it skip that section and install without agreeing to anything ?
[07:24] <mike> anyone who thinks vista's eye-candy is anywhere near the level of linux's is either a fanboy or they just don't know what they're doing in linux
[07:25] <mike> lol intelikey
[07:25] <intelikey> i mean !
[07:25] <mike> i'd imagine if you read the license it would say you're not allowed to modify the run file
[07:25] <mike> but that's just my guess :-P
[07:26] <lorderunion> mike: ok i'm back
[07:26] <mike> k...
[07:26] <intelikey> but i did not agree to the licens
[07:26] <mike> good point
[07:26] <mike> lol
[07:26] <intelikey> it can say what ever i said no.
[07:26] <lorderunion> mike: sorry, lost the chat. what did you want me to try now?
[07:26] <intelikey> now i'll edit the thing and install it.
[07:27] <mike> lorderunion: extract bcm5700-source into ~... does it have a readme or any documentation at all with it?
[07:27] <intelikey> it's my computer and what's on it is mine.  i haven't agreed to NOT ONE STINKUNG THING!
[07:27] <intelikey> s/U/I/
[07:27] <lorderunion> yeah it does. says to cd src/ run make, then load the driver
[07:27] <lorderunion> make is failing though, heh
[07:28] <mike> maybe try googling around for the errors? sorry, but i don't know what else to try at this point. compiling definitely isn't my strong point. :-\
[07:30] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: Show him how you can update all the software on your system in a couple clicks and see what he says :-P
[07:31] <lorderunion> mike: installing linux-source-2.6.20
[07:32] <ebovine> Anyone else having issues with Kaffeine playing DVDs?  It gives me an error message about "Audio output unavailable.  Device is busy. ()"
[07:32] <ebovine> I've gone so far as to completely disable KDE sounds.
[07:33] <el_isma> intelikey: when you download the .run file, I think you have to agree to a license... I guess there it says something about not modifying it?
[07:33] <ebovine> I've also played mp3's through the XINE UI, so I know it can play audio.
[07:34] <ebovine> I can also play the DVD from mplayer using the command line.
[07:34] <ebovine> It even plays the audio.  :)
[07:34] <intelikey> el_isma i did no sush thing
[07:35] <intelikey> el_isma it never asked me to agree to anything
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> mike: nothing will make this guy switch
[07:35] <mike> kaffeine's weird with dvd's
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> he's a "hardcore" gamer
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> now my girlfriend is all ready to switch
[07:35] <ebovine> mike: The xine UI has the same issues.
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> and a few friends want live cds to play with :)
[07:36] <mike> Daisuke_Ido: cool
[07:36] <intelikey> el_isma i assure i have not accepted any agreement other than the GNU-GPL on this computer
[07:36] <el_isma> intelikey: ok
[07:36] <slacker2> Hello anyone here
[07:36] <slacker2> Im having trouble installing AOL Instant Messenger for Kubuntu
[07:37] <intelikey> and i think i have the nvidia driver installed with out agreeing to anything
[07:37] <mike> slacker2: use kopete
[07:37] <ebovine> slacker2: kopete
[07:37] <slacker2> I dont like Kopete
[07:37] <ebovine> slacker2: Gaim
[07:37] <slacker2> Isnt that pidgin now?
[07:37] <mike> yeah
[07:37] <slacker2> but I just want AIM
[07:38] <mike> i don't think pidgin's in the repos yet though
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> "but i just want aim"
[07:38] <mike> i don't think aol makes aim for linux do they?
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> cope
[07:38] <mike> lol
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> deal widdit
[07:38] <mike> really
[07:38] <mike> :-)
[07:38] <intelikey> mike gaim is in the repos tho
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> accept the fact that they do aim better than aim does aim.
[07:38] <mike> right
[07:38] <intelikey> gaim=pidgin
[07:38] <mike> lol Daisuke_Ido
[07:38] <slacker2> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp
[07:38] <Kr4t05> Does someone want to tell me how I could make a DVD ISO rip?
[07:39] <mike> Kr4t05: "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss k9copy"
[07:39] <Kr4t05> mike: Rockin', thanks.
[07:39] <ebovine> slacker2: You want *THAT* over Kopete?!?
[07:39] <mike> np
[07:39] <slacker2> ebovine* yeah
[07:40] <slacker2> i'm not a big fan on multi im clients
[07:40] <Kr4t05> mike: Gah.... libdvdcss is not available.
[07:40] <Kr4t05> One moment...
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> they have install instructions for debian WOODY.
[07:40] <mike> Kr4t05: libdvdcss2 maybe?
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> this is not an up to date piece of software.
[07:40] <ebovine> slacker2: You've followed the instructions for Debian 3+, right?
[07:40] <jbaerbock> Question about wireless. When I try to connect to my prefered network half the time is gets to 25% then does nothing. takes quite a few tries. Anyway to fix this?
[07:40] <slacker2> ebovine: yeah
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> slacker2: so...  don't use the multiple protocols, just use aim!
[07:40] <ebovine> slacker2: Waht happened?
[07:40] <slacker2> Hold on lemme get the message
[07:41] <mike> slacker2: you could check the appdb at http://www.winehq.org/ and see if the windows version of AIM is supported under wine
[07:41] <Kr4t05> !DVD
[07:41] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:41] <zeke> I have a question
[07:41] <zeke> does anyone
[07:41] <zeke> have
[07:41] <zeke> a
[07:42] <zeke> windoze 98 product key?
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> !enter
[07:42] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> and for eff's sake, NO
[07:42] <mike> jbaerbock: usually i just go ahead and re-try as soon as i see it hang at that step for more than 2-3 seconds. i know that doesn't really fix the problem, but it might speed things up for you a bit
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> google that, it's not our job to enable your cheap butt
[07:42] <zeke> sure thing ubotu
[07:42] <ebovine> zeke: If you can't find one online in 5m you're not trying.
[07:43] <jbaerbock> only has one bar signal strength is that making the difference? Cause when it does connect seemsbandwidth is very choppy