[09:10] <funkytwig> matthew: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, I thing that is where the default is set.  It is fairly near the top, one you have done changes do 'sudo grub-update'
[09:10] <LeeColleton> I have a computer with no monitor that has become unbootable.
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: i dont know if its started by default but knoppix has it, you would have to just do /etc/init.d/sshd start at most
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: ohhhh
[09:10] <funkytwig> matthew_: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, I thing that is where the default is set.  It is fairly near the top, one you have done changes do 'sudo grub-update'
[09:10] <matthew_> /boot/grub/menu.lst does not show up anywhere
[09:10] <stvn> matthew_: open a terminal, type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:10] <LeeColleton> Subbie, I guess I could modify sshd to start on boot...
[09:10] <LeeColleton> modify knoppix that is
[09:10] <matthew_> okay, so when ubuntu starts to load, i press escape
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: you or morphix
[09:10] <Subbie> LeeColleton: err yeah not you
[09:11] <matthew_> and then i press 'e' while the os is highlighted
[09:11] <Kamion> punkass_: not even a little bit
[09:11] <fl4me> I can't get any sound in my Creative Live soundblaster. I've just installed ubuntu, and I've never used linux before.
[09:11] <matthew_> and then i press e while the kernal option is highlighted
[09:11] <Subbie> LeeColleton: here's a list of a bunch of live distros
[09:11] <matthew_> and that is where i get lost
[09:11] <Subbie> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/LiveCD/
[09:11] <stvn> matthew_: don't do that, these edits are not saved
[09:11] <delire> are Ubuntu's release cycles defined by Gnome release cycles as much as anything else?
[09:11] <stvn> matthew_: just boot to linux, we start from there
[09:12] <matthew_> let ubuntu completely load?
[09:12] <stvn> matthew_: yes
[09:12] <Kamion> delire: let's say "informed by"
[09:12] <funkytwig> fl4me: try right clicking on the speaker and select 'Open Volume Control' the speaker volume is probably down.
[09:12] <matthew_> ok, thats where ive been going wrong
[09:12] <matthew_> where do i enter these commands?
[09:12] <stvn> matthew_: nothing, grub was probably wrong in not recognising your windows setup
[09:13] <fl4me> funkytwig; where is the speaker ? :-p
[09:13] <matthew_> uh huh, and i need to make it recognise it
[09:13] <funkytwig> delire: they are six-monthly
[09:13] <funkytwig> fl4me: the icon top right next to date
[09:13] <matthew_> so now that i know i need the system to be booted, where do i enter the commands?
[09:13] <stvn> matthew_: yes, but we can do that from linux
[09:14] <fl4me> Ok. I'll try it. Thanks, funkytwig.
[09:14] <unperson> Hi.  I just read about Ubuntu.  It sounds like a pretty cool project.  I've been using Debian testing for a while and I'm pretty happy with it, but I've felt that packages don't always work together as smoothly on the desktop as you would like.
[09:14] <matthew_> do i go to system tools>terminal?
[09:14] <unperson> So I've often wished someone would put together and configure a set of them that just work, and it looks like that's what Ubuntu kind of does.
[09:14] <funkytwig> unperson: give us a for example
[09:15] <stvn> matthew_: yes
[09:15] <stvn> matthew_: in the terminal type sudo update-grub
[09:15] <delire> Kamion: so not being a gnome user this might be a bane..
[09:15] <Kamion> delire: why?
[09:15] <Honningmusen> Which CD is for install? The how-to guide says: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/preview/warty-i386.iso .. But how about the ones from the download site: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso ??
[09:15] <matthew_> ok, and do you happen to know the complete list of what i would type to get windows xp to show up as a boot option when i start my computer?
[09:16] <funkytwig> unperson: thats the general idea ;)
[09:16] <matthew_> it asks for a password, but will not let me enter
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: no, since I don't know your computer ;), but once you boot to ubuntu you can log in here again and we can work it out
[09:16] <Kamion> delire: Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution, but you don't have to use it; GNOME's release cycles are rock-solid reliable so it doesn't matter that our six months happen to be synced to GNOME's six months
[09:16] <Honningmusen> As far as I can see, the guide refers to an older version than 4.10
[09:16] <delire> Kamion: a major upgrade would be defined by gnome release dates. 1/3 of your devel team is of gnome origin no?
[09:16] <unperson> funkytwig, Well, for example, getting a web browser mailto link to open a tab in an already running browser rather than a) spawning a new instance of the same browser or b) a completely different "default browser".
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: it's your normal password
[09:16] <Kamion> Honningmusen: use the latter URL
[09:16] <stvn> matthew_: and you don't see that you type it, but you do ;)
[09:16] <Kamion> Honningmusen: what document gives the preview one?
[09:16] <matthew_> oh
[09:16] <Honningmusen> Thats the one I have tried
[09:16] <Honningmusen> This one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[09:17] <Kamion> delire: does that matter? you can consider it to be defined by the calendar if you like ... :-)
[09:17] <matthew_> ok, its updated
[09:17] <delire> Kamion: i guess you're right ;) semantic perhaps
[09:17] <unperson> funkytwig, Or all these different programs dealing with sound in a different way, OSS, ALSA, etc.
[09:17] <Kamion> Honningmusen: ah, thanks, I'll fix that
[09:17] <stvn> matthew_: did you happen to see if it said that it found windows?
[09:17] <Kamion> Honningmusen: use warty-release-install-i386.iso
[09:17] <unperson> funkytwig, Usually you can make it work, but getting all your software on the same page is a real chore.
[09:17] <Honningmusen> np
[09:17] <funkytwig> unperson: I think opening a new browser is deliberate - in windows when using IE it sometimes looses the page you had and replaces it
[09:17] <stvn> matthew_: btw could you type stvn: at the beginning of each line when you talk to me, it's easier for me to see it ;)
[09:17] <matthew_> it doesnt say it found windows
[09:18] <funkytwig> new browser stops this happening
[09:18] <matthew_> yeah, sorry
[09:18] <kensai> I have installed mplayer-custom from apt and does not start from the menu neither xmms
[09:18] <matthew_> stvn:matthew@matthew:~ $ sudo update-grub
[09:18] <matthew_> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
[09:18] <matthew_> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst .
[09:18] <matthew_> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[09:18] <matthew_> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[09:18] <matthew_> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[09:18] <stvn> matthew_: ok, do you know where your windows partition is located? disc /partition
[09:18] <delire> Kamion: some debian users worry that ubuntu isn't a good choice as it may branch further and further from debian over the years, eventually evolving into a mutual exclusivity on the level of some basic debian administration tools and methods. what are your intentions/sentiments?
[09:18] <stvn> matthew_: it's not polite to paste here
[09:18] <funkytwig> unperson: I find the integration works very well - a lot of the time stuff just works - expecialy sound - video - CD burning.
[09:19] <matthew_> stvn:im sorry, im new to everything
[09:19] <unperson> funkytwig, You're talking about which distro now?
[09:19] <stvn> matthew_: no problem
[09:19] <matthew_> stvn: windows is located on partition 2
[09:19] <aardvark> stvn: what if he tries to mount the XP partition to verify that it is there
[09:19] <Kamion> delire: is this an interview? :)
[09:19] <stvn> aardvark: smart thinking
[09:20] <funkytwig> unperson: most linux distros - I was just kind of guessing why it opens a new browser - I suppose a new tab would be better
[09:20] <stvn> matthew_: can you do sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:20] <delire> Kamion: no, when i release software, i release it for debian, and so this is of some interest ;)
[09:20] <unperson> funkytwig, yes.
[09:20] <unperson> funkytwig, Well, it took me a while to get everything working correctly when I switched from OSS to ALSA.
[09:20] <delire> Kamion: i am not just a user..
[09:20] <Kamion> delire: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship is probably better than anything I can write in IRC
[09:20] <matthew_> stvn: it didnt do anything
[09:21] <delire> Kamion: ok cool.. thx
[09:21] <unperson> funkytwig, My point is really that because debian aims for a lot of flexability, things can't be set by default to interact in the best way.
[09:21] <stvn> matthew_: no errors, good ; does ls /mnt give anything?
[09:21] <unperson> funkytwig, Because "the best way" depends a lot on what you have installed.
[09:21] <funkytwig> unperson: all I can say is that since I have installed Ubuntu I have has the best set up Linux distro ever and it hass been very painless;)
[09:22] <unperson> funkytwig, I like the idea of having a distro where the default stuff works painlessly, and you have the option to stray off the beaten path (and take the consequences) if you like.
[09:22] <Kamion> delire: we're very much hoping not to create interoperability problems
[09:22] <matthew_>  /svnt: nope
[09:22] <funkytwig> unperson: I guess one of the things about Ubuntu is they try to choose one of eatch type of app and install it by default
[09:22] <unperson> right
[09:22] <delire> Kamion: well i'm very impressed anyway. another reason i'm here is my girlfriend and i have just bought two laptops. also i will am looking for a desktop-debian branch to install on 30 machines in the uni i will be teaching at in a few months
[09:22] <aardvark> stvn: XP uses NTFS would this not be issue when mounting using VFAT ? should throw errors
[09:22] <unperson> Sounds like a good philosphy.
[09:23] <stvn> matthew_: sure there were no errors when you did it?
[09:23] <matthew_> svnt: ok, the last command worked, it was a matter of a missed space
[09:23] <funkytwig> unperson: It all depends on if you agree with there choices
[09:23] <stvn> aardvark: should throw error
[09:23] <matthew_> svnt: it gave me a lot of information
[09:23] <stvn> matthew_: does it look like windows partition to you?
[09:23] <funkytwig> unperson: so do I ;)
[09:24] <matthew_> svnt: it seems to be telling me how to mount a device, not information on the actual device
[09:24] <unperson> I have one question, after reading about it.  Presumably it's likely one might decide to add some other debian packages from the "universe" section.  Is it possible to make sure security updates for those packages will get done with apt-get upgrade?
[09:24] <delire> Kamion: having a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel as 'stable' is brave and excellent.. being a multimedia kernel et al. speaking of which does it use alsa or OSS by default? what about things like the framebuffer and DRI?
[09:24] <stvn> matthew_: ah ok
[09:25] <stvn> matthew_: try mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:25] <delire> does Ubuntu come with the <IP_ADDRESS> sources *and* .config?
[09:25] <aardvark> stvn: he should veirfy with df -k
[09:25] <Kamion> Honningmusen: fixed, thanks
[09:25] <delire> sorry 'kernel <IP_ADDRESS>'
[09:26] <funkytwig> unperson: thats a very good question, i'me not sure.  One for the mailing list I guess
[09:26] <matthew_> svnt:only root can do that
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: pass, you'd have to ask somebody who doesn't concentrate almost exclusively on the installer
[09:26] <stvn> matthew_: ah sorry, sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt
[09:26] <funkytwig> delire: ALSA
[09:26] <stvn> aardvark: it's not yet mounted
[09:26] <delire> funkytwig: excellent
[09:26] <delire> Kamion: ok..
[09:26] <stvn> matthew_: btw it's stvn not svtn ;)
[09:26] <aardvark> svn: yes I meant once he did so
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: get the linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> source package, the .config is in debian/config/
[09:26] <stvn> aardvark: ah yes
[09:26] <Kamion> delire: or look in /boot/config-*
[09:27] <stvn> aardvark: ls works as fine, because you can see the content
[09:27] <aardvark> stvn: sure..
[09:27] <matthew_> stvn: it says "arent you trying to mount an extended partition instead of some logical partition inside?"
[09:28] <matthew_> my partition type must be ext
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[09:28] <unperson> funkytwig, Ah.  Well, it's a moot point for now, as my desktop system is a notebook, and I read that notebook support isn't really there yet in Ubuntu.
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: but don't change anything or save anything in that program
[09:28] <matthew_>  aha, there we go
[09:28] <stvn> matthew_: and can you tell me which one has ntfs or vfat?
[09:29] <unperson> funkytwig, Which is understandable, since that seems to be quite difficult and the distro is pretty new.
[09:29] <unperson> funkytwig, I was interested, though, and will keep my eye on it.
[09:29] <matthew_> stvn: hda5 (instead of 2, my bad) is ntfs
[09:29] <stvn> matthew_: good
[09:29] <Kamion> unperson: where'd you read that?
[09:29] <Kamion> unperson: laptop support's a huge goal
[09:29] <stvn> matthew_: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:30] <Kamion> unperson: it does depend slightly on the laptop, of course ...
[09:30] <unperson> Kamion, I read it in a review I saw on K5.  I was predisposed to belieive it for the reasons I just mentioned.
[09:30] <stvn> heh
[09:31] <aardvark> stvn: good call...
[09:31] <matthew_> stvn:ok
[09:31] <aardvark> establish valid partition first
[09:31] <stvn> :)
[09:31] <matthew_> stvn:says no such file or directory
[09:32] <stvn> matthew_: check the file name, safest way is using tab completiong
[09:32] <stvn> eg: sudo gedit /bo<tab>/gru<tab>/menu<tab>
[09:33] <aardvark> stvn: or simply go inti gedit and do open file then navigate to file
[09:33] <aardvark> into I meant
[09:33] <unperson> Kamion, My particular laptop is a Dell Inspiron 2500, a spectacular POS with some hardware that's poorly supported in any distro.
[09:33] <stvn> aardvark: yeah should work as well
[09:34] <stvn> aardvark: but sudo is important though
[09:34] <matthew_> stvn:ok, it still said that but it opened a window
[09:34] <aardvark> stvn: aah yes I forgot
[09:34] <Kamion> unperson: fair enough
[09:34] <aardvark> matthew_:  is the window blank
[09:34] <unperson> Kamion, the review in question:  http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/9/28/211242/712
[09:34] <Erix> ubuntu made me love gnome which i didn't ever like to use.
[09:34] <matthew_> no, theres information on it
[09:34] <aardvark> good
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: good, does it say # menu.lst on the first line?
[09:35] <matthew_> yes
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: good, scroll down to examples
[09:35] <matthew_> ok
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: there is one for windows
[09:35] <matthew_> there
[09:35] <matthew_> yup
[09:35] <roberto_> i need you help with flash plugin and java
[09:35] <stvn> matthew_: remove the 4 #'s
[09:35] <kmdr_winebago> bastards! the web page said i can get help here. this is the 3rd time i post a message and no one says nothing. i am moving over to the competition, devils in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:36] <stvn> before title, root, makeactive and chainloader
[09:36] <HWolf> I got my pppoe working, but it seems all networking requests get send to eth0 rather than ppp0, how can I set that right?
[09:36] <matthew_> stvn: and how do i do that
[09:36] <stvn> matthew_: with the delete key ;)
[09:36] <roberto_> have brazilians in the chat????????/
[09:36] <matthew_> this is just a read only text file, right?
[09:36] <stvn> matthew_: it's a text editor so you can use normal editing keys
[09:37] <matthew_> oops, im sorry
[09:37] <matthew_> you're correct
[09:37] <aardvark> matthew_: its like notepad in windows
[09:37] <matthew_> ok, thats done
[09:37] <kmdr_winebago> ok i got it. i think i'm invisible. bastardoes, anyway
[09:37] <stvn> matthew_: chenge the line (hd0,0) to (0,4)
[09:38] <stvn> to (hd0,4)
[09:38] <matthew_> 0,4 or 0,5?
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: (hd0,4)
[09:38] <matthew_> ok
[09:38] <aardvark> 0,4 as count start at 0
[09:38] <matthew_> done'
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: grub starts counting at 0 whereas partitions start at 1 (very confusing)
[09:38] <matthew_> oh
[09:38] <matthew_> i see
[09:38] <stvn> matthew_: scroll up and check if there is a # before hiddenmenu
[09:39] <matthew_> 2 of them in fact
[09:39] <stvn> matthew_: and 2 lines down?
[09:39] <matthew_> none
[09:39] <stvn> add one
[09:40] <matthew_> ok, done
[09:40] <stvn> if you scroll up more you see the line default 0
[09:40] <matthew_> yup
[09:40] <sabmoc> where can i get the fireflies screensaver from?
[09:40] <stvn> matthew_: 0 will boot to windows and 1 to linux by default, you always have 10seconds to chose during boottime
[09:41] <stvn> matthew_: so if you prefer it to boot to windows by default leave it 0 otherwise change it to 1
[09:41] <stvn> matthew_: after that save the file
[09:41] <matthew_> so windows is the default right now, if i were to reboot it would go into windows if i didnt choose
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: yep
[09:42] <matthew_> so i should be all set right now
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: if you have saved the file, do once again sudo update-grub
[09:42] <stvn> matthew_: check if you see windows mentioned
[09:43] <delire> thanks everyone, very tempted to give it run for it's money. keep it up
[09:43] <stvn> that'll be a short run I guess ;)
[09:43] <aardvark> give what a run for it's money ? as in comparison ?
[09:44] <stvn> aardvark: ubuntu compared to debian
[09:44] <Honningmusen> Anybody who got ANY idea, why my installation hangs with the error-message: kernel panic: fatal exception interrupt... syncing
[09:44] <Honningmusen> In export mode I get the notice: Some modules failed to load
[09:44] <matthew_>  stvn: im not seeing it
[09:45] <stvn> matthew_: you saved the file first?
[09:45] <matthew_> yes
[09:45] <Kamion> Honningmusen: as I said, it's a kernel bug, please file it
[09:45] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <Kamion> the expert mode errors are not significant
[09:46] <Honningmusen> Ok then.. I'll try with my poor english :P
[09:46] <stvn> matthew_: hm, maybe it doesn't show it at all, it doesn't appear here when I try with a fake windows boot
[09:46] <stvn> matthew_: try a reboot and see if the option is listed
[09:47] <matthew_> ok
[09:47] <matthew_> i'll be right back
[09:47] <stvn> i hope os
[09:48] <Kamion> Honningmusen: component name is 'linux'
[09:48] <Kamion> Honningmusen: do try to transcribe as much of the error output on alt-f4 as you can
[09:48] <Kamion> at least the stuff that looks like the kernel crashing
[09:48] <Ascareg> anyone tried building packages for Ubuntu? I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing to parse the files in "pkgdir/debian" into "pkgdir/DEBIAN" so dpkg-deb is happy
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: nooooo, don't try to use dpkg-deb by hand!
[09:49] <Honningmusen> Thanks.. I have my server in one room and my desktop in another.. I'm running a lot around.. No more excersises this week :D
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot, then use 'debuild'
[09:49] <Ascareg> Kamion: oops :-) I don't package too often on Debian, and this is my first shot on Ubuntu
[09:49] <Kamion> (or dpkg-buildpackage, but debuild's fractionally friendlier)
[09:49] <Ascareg> Kamion: ahhh.... debuild... nice, thank you much
[09:49] <Kamion> Ascareg: debian/rules is the main controlling script
[09:51] <matthew_> stvn: windows is listed, but will not boot
[09:51] <Ascareg> Kamion: right, got that part from looking at other source packages. Thanks
[09:52] <stvn> matthew_: with what error?
[09:52] <matthew_> that i was not smart enough to write down
[09:53] <stvn> matthew_: hm, check in sudo cfdisk /devhda if the bootable flag is on
[09:53] <stvn> /dev/hda
[09:53] <stvn> matthew_: you only have 1 windows partition on all your disks, right?
[09:54] <matthew_> i windows, 1 linux
[09:54] <matthew_> it says this disk is currently in use
[09:55] <stvn> matthew_: eh?
[09:55] <matthew_> and then "Use the --no-reread flag to suppress this check."
[09:56] <matthew_> ok, i typed sfdisk instead of cfdisk
[09:56] <matthew_> my bad
[09:56] <stvn> ah
[09:56] <matthew_> disregard that last part
[09:56] <stvn> matthew_: be carful with typos in linux ;)
[09:56] <stvn> careful even
[09:56] <matthew_> for sure
[09:56] <matthew_> ok, where would it say if the bootable flag is on
[09:57] <stvn> matthew_: underneath flags
[09:58] <matthew_> ok, i just pressed enter while haveing bootable highleighted on hd 5, and now it says "boot" under flags
[09:58] <matthew_> there was nothing under either one before that
[09:58] <stvn> hm
[09:59] <stvn> matthew_: hang on a minute
[09:59] <matthew_> ok
[10:00] <stvn> anyone, does grub need a bootable linux partition to work, or can it function on a disk with only a bootable windows partition (according to cfdisk)?
[10:00] <stvn> matthew_: I'm not entirly sure, and I don't want to render your system unbootable ;)
[10:00] <matthew_> ok
[10:01] <matthew_> this bootable flag thing, what does it do
[10:01] <stvn> matthew_: it should tell the computer what partitions are bootable, but i'm amazed that cfdisk doesn't say that the linux one is bootable
[10:01] <Kamion> I've certainly used grub where the partition containing its menu.lst etc. wasn't bootable
[10:02] <Kamion> I think it matters more to Windows than to Linux
[10:02] <stvn> Kamion: thanks, thought so
[10:02] <Kamion> make sure you have a fallback option in case I'm wrong, though
[10:02] <matthew_> well, my next course of action (stupid or not) is going to be to select windows as being bootable
[10:02] <stvn> indeed, thinking of one
[10:03] <stvn> matthew_: be sure and put both on bootable
[10:03] <Johnnny> Hi! Im thinking of installing Ubuntu on my old world mac (beige g3).. the faqs say ubuntu doesnt support old world machines. Is it possible to install ubuntu with bootx?
[10:03] <matthew_> the fs type for the linux partition (which is the primary) is linux ext3
[10:03] <matthew_> does that mean anything?
[10:03] <stvn> matthew_: that's ok
[10:04] <matthew_> ok, so i have to put bootable flags on both linux and windows
[10:04] <aardvark> stvn: the worst it that XP is no longer bootable because of MBR being gone, this can be rebuilt using the XP CD and doing a rescue procedure on the XP installation... if this is XP Pro then its available else not
[10:04] <matthew_> its xp pro
[10:04] <aardvark> good
[10:04] <stvn> matthew_: you can organise your data on you hard disk in different ways, fat32(vfat) and ntfs are common windows ones, whereas linux has ext2/ext3, reiserfs,xfs and a few more
[10:04] <matthew_> and i just reinstalled it last night
[10:05] <Kamion> Johnnny: unknown. You're welcome to try ... :-)
[10:05] <stvn> matthew_: if you put the boot flags, write it to the disk
[10:05] <matthew_> even though it says it might destroy data
[10:05] <stvn> matthew_: you didn't change anything but the boot flags?
[10:06] <matthew_> correct
[10:06] <stvn> matthew_: than it's safe
[10:07] <matthew_> ok, it says "more than one primary partition is marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this
[10:07] <Johnnny> Kamion: I think i will, bootx works with debian so it just might work with ubuntu :)
[10:07] <matthew_> and there is the root of my problem
[10:07] <Kamion> Johnnny: don't you have to use floppies with BootX, or can it handle CDs?
[10:07] <stvn> matthew_: right, ok we'll go trial and error from here, been too long since I had windows installed
[10:07] <matthew_> if i mark XP as being bootable, i should still be able to boot Linux, the problem is that windows doesnt like to share
[10:08] <stvn> matthew_: indeed, try that
[10:08] <Kamion> Johnnny: if it can handle CDs, it may just about be possible, although you'll have to take some care at the end of the install process to avoid installing yaboot and arrange to be able to boot using BootX
[10:08] <stvn> matthew_: as long as grub is the one running the show you can always get into linux
[10:08] <tom__> hello?
[10:08] <aardvark> stvn: but won't this negate GRUB  ?
[10:08] <Johnnny> Kamion: It can handle cd:s, just needs a macos to boot from.. So i lose about 200Mb diskspace for os9
[10:08] <stvn> aardvark: nope, since it wasn't there in the first place
[10:08] <tom__> I was wondering how I can get the default music player to handle MP3s, can anyone help me?
[10:08] <Honningmusen> Kamion: I have tried to describe my problem now.. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2773 .. Is that ok?
[10:08] <Kamion> Johnnny: ok, let me know if you succeed
[10:09] <matthew_> it says "wrote partition table, but re-read table failed"
[10:09] <stvn> tom__: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:09] <Johnnny> Kamion: will do!
[10:09] <Kamion> Honningmusen: is it possible to transcribe the text that makes no sense to you?
[10:09] <Kamion> Honningmusen: it may be critical for a developer to figure out where the crash is
[10:09] <stvn> matthew_: aj, sudo cfdisk /dev/hda again please
[10:10] <Honningmusen> It looks a lot like the one line i have quoted
[10:10] <Kamion> Honningmusen: that doesn't matter
[10:10] <tom__> thanks stvn ^^
[10:10] <stodge> Is there an older verison of gettext for Ubuntu? The one installed (0.14.1-2) doesn't seem to work with Anjuta
[10:10] <matthew_> ok, done
[10:10] <stvn> matthew_: on second thought, it's not that bad
[10:10] <Honningmusen> But I'll be glad to help.. Should I just add another bug or can i edit the one I have pasted?
[10:11] <tom__> stvn: actually, how do you download addititional S/W packs?
[10:11] <Kamion> Honningmusen: you can add a comment, use the comment box
[10:11] <matthew_> stvn: oh, it was bad in the first place?
[10:11] <Honningmusen> doh :D I'll do that then
[10:11] <Kamion> Honningmusen: I realise it's tedious to copy a crash dump of the screen, but it will probably be necessary here :(
[10:11] <stvn> tom__: with synaptic: computer>>system tools>>synaptic
[10:11] <Kamion> "off the screen", I mean
[10:11] <stvn> matthew_: i thought it was, but than tested it here, it requires a reboot
[10:11] <tom__> ahh, thanks again^_^
[10:11] <matthew_> ohhhh
[10:12] <matthew_> so you want me to reboot?
[10:12] <stvn> tom__: you need to add repositories though
[10:12] <stvn> matthew_: wait, where is your linux partition located
[10:12] <Honningmusen> Maybe it will help me getting my Ubuntu to work.. As far as I understand you.. The "call trace" is very critical to correct the error..
[10:12] <tom__> er, how do Ido that?
[10:13] <tom__> 0.0
[10:13] <matthew_> im not sure of the location
[10:13] <matthew_> how do i find out?
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: open synaptic
[10:13] <Kamion> Honningmusen: at least from what I can gather from your report, yes
[10:13] <tom__> did that
[10:13] <tom__> kk
[10:13] <stvn> matthew_: sudo cfdisk again
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: it's under settings
[10:13] <Kamion> Honningmusen: the kernel has fallen over in a messy heap, and the call trace says where it went wrong
[10:13] <tom__> settings>repositories then?
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: yep
[10:13] <stvn> tom__: enable the universe
[10:13] <matthew_> stvn: done
[10:13] <tom__> stvn: thanks :)
[10:13] <matthew_> see nothing about locatuon
[10:13] <Honningmusen> Ok.. thanks for your help so far.. I'll start typing now.. See you in 10 minutes or so :D
[10:13] <matthew_> location*
[10:14] <stvn> aardvark: /dev/hda5 is ntfs, what is the other one?
[10:14] <tom__> erm, which do I need again?
[10:14] <stvn> matthew_: /dev/hda5 is ntfs, what is the other one?
[10:14] <matthew_> ext3
[10:14] <stvn> matthew_: and what /dev ?
[10:14] <stvn> tom__: you read the webpage?
[10:15] <tom__> well, sorta >.<
[10:15] <tom__> ok, going back now
[10:15] <tom__> eheh
[10:15] <stvn> tom__: search for gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:15] <matthew_> not sure what you mean
[10:15] <stvn> tom__: in synaptic
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: oh sorry it doesn't say /dev
[10:15] <matthew_> hda1, if thats what you mean
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: what name is before the ext3
[10:15] <stvn> matthew_: right
[10:16] <matthew_> Linux ext3
[10:16] <matthew_> Primary part. type
[10:17] <stvn> matthew_: ok you can reboot and see if it works
[10:17] <tom__> d/lling universe now ^^
[10:17] <tom__> thanks
[10:17] <matthew_> ok. if im not here in ten minutes, im shopping for a new computer
[10:17] <stvn> np
[10:17] <stvn> matthew_: hehe
[10:17] <tom__> might as well get the whole thing right?
[10:17] <stvn> tom__: eh... I hope you pressed the reload button
[10:17] <tom__> yep ^^
[10:17] <matthew_> btw, how do i add this room to a list of favorites, for easy access?
[10:18] <stvn> tom__: oh ok, that's good
[10:18] <matthew_> im using x-chat
[10:18] <tom__> lol what did you think i did, just sit there and twiddle mi thumbs
[10:18] <tom__> hehe
[10:18] <stvn> matthew_: can't help you there, never used x-chat
[10:18] <tom__> not THIS time, specifically
[10:18] <matthew_> oh, ok
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: I think he was wondering if you were downloading *all* of universe. :-)
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: reload just downloads the index files
[10:18] <tom__> well, yeah ^^;
[10:18] <tom__> why not?
[10:18] <matthew_> i'll just have to hope i can get back here
[10:18] <stvn> indeed
[10:18] <tom__> I have room
[10:18] <tom__> er, I think
[10:18] <tom__> how bg is it?
[10:18] <Kamion> tom__: uh, order of 20GB I think
[10:19] <tom__> @_@
[10:19] <tom__> well, have more room than that anyways ^^
[10:19] <stvn> tom__: hence the question
[10:19] <tom__> ok, changed it back lol
[10:19] <stvn> tom__: yeah but it might have taken some time and didn't plan to wait for that ;)
[10:19] <Kamion> tom__: it's not really useful to download all the packages, though.
[10:19] <Kamion> unless you're setting up a mirror suite
[10:20] <Kamion> er, site
[10:20] <tom__> if I un-check them
[10:20] <tom__> and reload again
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: oh no
[10:20] <tom__> no?
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: reload only gives you the overview of all available packages, not the packages them selves
[10:20] <tom__> I've been screwed out of 20 GB!?
[10:20] <tom__> ohhhh
[10:20] <tom__> nvm ^^;;
[10:20] <stvn> tom__: so you need to switch on the repository and press reload to get the overview of the packages
[10:21] <tom__> phew^^
[10:21] <tom__> then d/l the one that HAS it?
[10:21] <stvn> tom__: the overview is 2MB or something
[10:21] <stvn> tom__: than you search for the package that has it (search for gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:23] <talon906> i apologize for being an extreme linux noob, but how do I determine what version of ubuntu is installed?
[10:23] <ogra> talon906: currently there is only one
[10:23] <socomm> talon906: ctl+alt+F1
[10:23] <stvn> talon906: remember alt-f7
[10:23] <stvn> socomm: was considering to suggest that, but it's not nice to do if you don't know alt-f7 ;)
[10:24] <socomm> talon906: yeah alt+F7 gets you back to the WIMP side of the tracks.
[10:24] <talon906> okay it says ubuntu 4.10 "warty warthog" so I'm not running a pre-release
[10:24] <littlepaul> talon906, less /etc/issue
[10:24] <ogra> talon906: no
[10:24] <talon906> thanks
[10:24] <tom__> not finding anything, lol
[10:24] <stvn> tom__: search for gstreamer
[10:24] <tom__> gstreamer0.8-mad, right?
[10:25] <tom__> just gstreamer?
[10:25] <tom__> in that case
[10:25] <stvn> yeah
[10:25] <tom__> I get lots of stuff
[10:25] <stvn> tom__: check now manually if you see -mad
[10:25] <tom__> nope
[10:25] <tom__> no mad
[10:25] <stvn> tom__: you did enable universe?
[10:25] <tom__> yeah
[10:26] <tom__> the 4 repositories and everything
[10:26] <tom__>  there are  a bunch of results
[10:26] <tom__> nono of them end in -mad though
[10:26] <matthew_> stvn: ok, no luck but i did happen to get an error message, and when i looked to edit the windows boot up, it did not say "title windows" at the top
[10:26] <spiv_> tom__: Did you update your package list after adding the repositories?
[10:26] <tom__> yeah
[10:27] <tom__> is it only 3 other ones?
[10:27] <tom__> because I have 4 total added
[10:27] <tom__> I think the site said 3
[10:27] <spiv_> main, restricted, universe, multiverse?
[10:27] <tom__> one second
[10:27] <stvn> matthew_: what was the error?
[10:28] <tom__> I'm  just going to add them all, except for the security ones lol
[10:28] <stvn> tom__: do add security
[10:28] <tom__> found it ^^
[10:28] <matthew_> stvn: error 12: invalid device requested
[10:28] <tom__> do I need to dl stuff from there, too?
[10:28] <stvn> matthew_: ah ok, hm
[10:29] <ogra> tom__: if you want a secure system
[10:29] <ogra> tom__: with no secu. bugs
[10:29] <tom__> hmm, couldn't hhurt ^^
[10:29] <tom__> how will I know which ones to dl?
[10:29] <tom__> ro just all of them?
[10:30] <matthew_> ok, how do i get back to that text document?
[10:30] <matthew_> i swear i have alzheimers
[10:30] <Honningmusen> Kamion: I have added the complete call trace: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2773
[10:30] <ogra> tom__: use the  "mark upgrades" button....synaptic will care
[10:30] <stvn> matthew_: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:30] <tom__> care?
[10:30] <stvn> matthew_: you did get a choice right?
[10:31] <ogra> tom__: what to update :)
[10:31] <tom__> oh, and do I JUST need the -mad one then?
[10:31] <matthew_> yup
[10:31] <tom__> ahh, I see ^^
[10:31] <tom__> because I found it
[10:31] <tom__> do I need any others?
[10:31] <ogra> tom__: for mp3 mad is enough
[10:31] <tom__> ok, thanks ^^
[10:31] <tom__> oh one last thing
[10:31] <tom__> what does it mean when there as a star it one of the check boxes?
[10:31] <tom__> there are a bunch of those
[10:31] <tom__> reccomeneded?
[10:32] <stvn> matthew_: good
[10:32] <spiv_> tom__: It means there's an upgrade available, iirc.  Right click on it, and it will tell you what the status is.
[10:32] <matthew_> xp is the same thing as nt/2000 correct?
[10:32] <ions> hey people :)
[10:32] <spiv_> (Or rather, right-click, and look at properties...)
[10:32] <stvn> matthew_: can you do msudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt
[10:32] <ogra> tom__: yep for update
[10:32] <stvn> sudo not msudo
[10:32] <ions> I lost my Internet connection by doing some apt-get updates
[10:33] <Kamion> Honningmusen: thanks, I'll let Herbert take it from here
[10:33] <tom__> so it means that it is an update for something you already have installed?
[10:33] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971&posted=1#post6971  <-see what I did here
[10:33] <stvn> matthew_: more or less
[10:33] <matthew_> i only ask because it doesnt list xp on that text document
[10:34] <matthew_> ok, a window labled "mnt" has been opened
[10:34] <ogra> tom__: yes, use the "mark upgrades" button.....
[10:34] <stvn> matthew_: good, does it look like your C drive?
[10:34] <tom__> ohh IC
[10:34] <matthew_> it says there's nothing on it
[10:34] <tom__> so the ones with no star
[10:34] <tom__> are new programs?
[10:34] <matthew_> 0 items
[10:35] <matthew_> i happen to know i do not have 0 items
[10:35] <stvn> matthew_: hm
[10:35] <stvn> matthew_: do sudo ls /mnt
[10:35] <ogra> tom__: if the kernel (linux-****) gets upgraded you shoud reboot afterwards
[10:35] <matthew_> there must be something wrong with the other partition, but i was using it last night no problem
[10:35] <ogra> tom__: uninstalled programs
[10:35] <tom__> how do I know if that happened?
[10:35] <matthew_> ok, did that
[10:36] <ogra> tom__: the upgrade ?
[10:36] <stvn> did it give anything?
[10:36] <tom__> if kernel was upgraded?
[10:36] <ions> anyone know why doing an upgrade would cause net to fail?
[10:36] <tom__> heheh, kernel is such a funny word :D
[10:36] <stvn> ions: you did apt-get upgrade and *not* apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:37] <matthew_> yup: config. msi: Dell  documents and settings: pagefile.sys   Program Files: Recycler   System Volume information: WINDOWS
[10:37] <ions> I did - apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get upgrade
[10:37] <ogra> tom__: try the "mark all upgrades" then select smart-upgrade, afterwards klick apply
[10:37] <wm_eddie> another reason why people should not use apt-get!
[10:37] <ogra> tom__: synaptic shows whaz it wants to install
[10:37] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971&posted=1#post6971  <- it was recommended
[10:37] <tom__> so only the reccomended ones are applied?
[10:37] <tom__> and they ave star
[10:38] <tom__> so like, it will install the ones with a star?
[10:38] <stvn> ions: tried reboot
[10:38] <spiv_> ions: It depends on what packages got upgraded...
[10:38] <stvn> matthew_: good
[10:38] <stvn> matthew_: so your data is still there ;)
[10:38] <ions> nnrebooting does nothing - still fails
[10:38] <ogra> tom__: only the ones for upgrade and some that are essentially needed by them
[10:38] <tom__> ok, think I got it
[10:38] <matthew_> stvn_:good to know
[10:38] <tom__> thanks for the help :)
[10:38] <tom__> very kind
[10:39] <ogra> ubuntu
[10:39] <matthew_> only problem is getting to it
[10:39] <tom__> anyways
[10:39] <tom__> thx ^^
[10:39] <stvn> matthew_: did you do any repartitioning?
[10:39] <stvn> matthew_: live repartitioning that is
[10:40] <matthew_> i have reformated once before last night
[10:40] <matthew_> live? nope
[10:40] <ions> running dhclient listed a bunch of stuff then ended with: no DHCPOFFERS received
[10:41] <spiv_> ions: Sounds like it might be a problem on the dhcp server end..?
[10:41] <ions> I use the same ISP (the box that has failed is my neighbours)
[10:42] <ions> I'm having no probs
[10:43] <matthew_> stvn_: is there anything else i can try?
[10:43] <matthew_> other than resorting to a baseball bat?
[10:43] <stvn> matthew_: searching ATM
[10:44] <stvn> matthew_: somehow it doesn't recognise your windows partition as valid
[10:44] <matthew_> right
[10:47] <stvn> hm
[10:47] <stvn> matthew_: if you open cfdisk again, the ntfs partition is still bootable?
[10:47] <matthew_> it says so, yes
[10:48] <matthew_> ok, under label it has [] , whereas linux does not
[10:48] <matthew_> does that mean anything?
[10:48] <stvn> nah
[10:49] <matthew_> ok
[10:49] <matthew_> if i were to delete the windows partition...would i have this problem next time? assuming i use ntfs format
[10:50] <stvn> matthew_: how do you mean?
[10:50] <stvn> matthew_: if you delete the windows partition you don't have windwos (and no problems booting it ;)
[10:50] <matthew_> whoops, i didnt mean delete the partition
[10:50] <matthew_> i meant reinstall it
[10:50] <matthew_> but no, that wouldnt work anyways
[10:51] <matthew_> i would have to delete the partition, and use a format it recognized
[10:51] <stvn> matthew_: there's this howto http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:52] <stvn> matthew_: not sure about it though, I remember having a grub based dual boot on XP and debian, so I don't think the howto is right
[10:54] <Subbie> grub should ealy be able to boot both windows XP and linux
[10:54] <Subbie> you just have to add a chainloader entry to it for the windows partition
[10:54] <HWolf> Can someone help me get my network connection working. I'm timing out on eth0 while ppp0 is up.
[10:54] <matthew_> chainloader +!
[10:54] <matthew_> +!
[10:54] <matthew_> +1, that is
[10:56] <stvn> matthew_: you did remove the # in front of that, right?
[10:56] <stvn> Subbie: it's just that it doesn't :(
[10:56] <matthew_> i checked, and i will check again, but yeah
[10:57] <stvn> matthew_: can you paste the bit between # Examples and # title Linux in #flood please?
[10:58] <ogra> HWolf: looks like a routing prob.... type route in a terminal and look what it says
[10:58] <matthew_> the bit between examples and title linux
[10:58] <matthew_> it goes like this:
[10:58] <matthew_> #
[10:58] <HWolf> orga, can you give me some general pionters, since I'd have to reboot every time to report back to irc...
[10:58] <matthew_> examples
[10:58] <matthew_> #
[10:58] <matthew_> title windows
[10:59] <stvn> matthew_: i asked to paste in in #flood ;)
[10:59] <HWolf> To be exact, eth0 has an internal network IP adress, while ppp0 comes up with my external IP, and thus outside connection.
[10:59] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6991#post6991 <- :\
[10:59] <ogra> HWolf: ok so better tell me more  about your setup
[10:59] <theduck> hello
[10:59] <liten> any ide when hoary will be ready for testing?
[11:00] <matthew_> there is no #flood here
[11:00] <ogra> HWolf: eth0 = fixed ip ?
[11:00] <stvn> matthew_: /join #flood
[11:00] <stvn> matthew_: it's an irc channel escpecially for pasting large text
[11:00] <HWolf> no, it's the internal IP. I'm in a student building, and there is a 100mbit fibre connection here.
[11:00] <HWolf> Outbound, I need to log on with my ISP's user/pass.
[11:01] <ogra> HWolf: so eth0 == dhcp, ppp0 == dhcp ?
[11:01] <HWolf> Yup
[11:01] <ogra> hmm
[11:01] <HWolf> I have no clue about the hardware, no modem here, just a plug in the wall.
[11:01] <liten> but why do you need to use both?
[11:01] <theduck> I'm new to this how can I contact you from your website ie (contact us?)
[11:02] <ogra> HWolf: do you know the gateway address of the internal net ?
[11:02] <HWolf> liten, I don't care. I just want internet, ran pppoeconf, and this is what I ended up with.
[11:02] <liten> HWolf: hehe, ok
[11:02] <theduck> I have a tutor. But he's not always here
[11:03] <liten> i guess it is pppoe then, else you would not be here :P
[11:03] <HWolf> I'm here on winblows. :-S
[11:03] <theduck> who?
[11:03] <liten> ok, what what kinda connection does it use?
[11:04] <theduck> later
[11:04] <HWolf> It's a 100mbit fibre, prolly using some adsl protocol
[11:04] <HWolf> I got it to work using rp-pppoe under Gentoo.
[11:04] <liten> HWolf: just check in your control panel
[11:04] <liten> HWolf: ok.. then its pppoe i guess .P
[11:05] <HWolf> Now if I remove ethernet eth0 in my control panel, firefox gives an error. If I add it, it just times out.
[11:06] <HWolf> However, in ifconfig ppp0, the information is right, I've got an IP addy etc.
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: can you browse to an IP i.e. <IP_ADDRESS> would be my first try.....(if yes dns is broken)
[11:07] <HWolf> I'd have to reboot to linux and try.
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: next i'd check the routing ....
[11:08] <HWolf> but I don't think so, either I was able to ping www.google.com, or not at all.
[11:08] <stvn> matthew_: interesting article ( http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00908.html ) basically says that windows is confused over the linux instalation
[11:08] <ogra> HWolf: there should be a route for each IF and a defaultroute at least
[11:08] <stvn> matthew_: it gives a solution, but I cannot vouch for data-safety, but the command is: sudo  sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sudo sfdisk --no-reread -H255 -C14593 /dev/hda
[11:08] <HWolf> ogra, you lost me.
[11:09] <matthew_> ok
[11:09] <matthew_> i have nothing to lose
[11:09] <stvn> matthew_: I don't think it's harmful, I ran it myself and didn't seem to corrupt anything, but then I don't have windows
[11:10] <ogra> HWolf: hmm
[11:11] <HWolf> I feel like ppp0 is up, but ubuntu is trying to use eth0.
[11:11] <ogra> HWolf: i still belive it's likely routing stuff
[11:12] <matthew_> stvn: that seperator you have after the first line, how do i type that
[11:12] <HWolf> ogra, give me something to try, so I can reboot, try it, and get back here.
[11:12] <stvn> matthew_: it's above my \ key, if you don't have it type the second line later
[11:12] <dborges> hi
[11:13] <stvn> matthew_: oh hm, do try to use the | key
[11:14] <matthew_> i dont have it
[11:14] <matthew_> oh wait
[11:14] <matthew_> i do
[11:14] <stvn> good
[11:16] <matthew_>  ok, ive got some information
[11:16] <matthew_> back to the flood room?
[11:17] <stvn> k
[11:24] <Burgundavia> stvn: what does your grub.conf say?
[11:24] <HWold> ogra, I owe you one.
[11:24] <stvn> Burgundavia: it's not mine, it's someone elses I try to help, but the conf etc are good
[11:25] <stvn> Burgundavia: it apparently gives a error 12 device invalid
[11:25] <cj_> can any one tell me where to find the java plug in needed for yahoo msngr :)
[11:25] <stvn> cj_: gaim can do yahoo-msngr
[11:25] <cj_> cool
[11:26] <cj_> thanks mate
[11:26] <stvn> matthew_: any luck?
[11:26] <matthew_> afraid not
[11:26] <matthew_> same story
[11:26] <stvn> damn
[11:27] <matthew_> im going to enter that command again
[11:27] <matthew_> because it did say reboot
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: ladst attempt: change in /boot/grub/menu.lst the line in the windows setup from (hd0,4) to hd0,1)
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: no need
[11:27] <matthew_> ok
[11:27] <stvn> matthew_: if that doesn't work, i'm all out of ideas
[11:28] <cj_> thanx agan stvn i been beatin my head about it for an hour this my brothers sys i dun know linux well u saved me a lot of headache
[11:28] <matthew_> its ok, if nothing else, i got a linux lesson
[11:28] <stvn> cj_: no probs
[11:28] <stvn> matthew_: anyway why use windows ;)
[11:28] <stvn> matthew_: but still it's annoying, it'll prolly bug me for the rest of the week :(
[11:29] <matthew_> sorry
[11:29] <matthew_> it bugged me all last night, i didnt go to bed until 5:30
[11:32] <talon906> how do u install an rpm on ubuntu?
[11:32] <Kamion> use alien to convert it to a .deb, then pray a lot
[11:32] <talon906> lol
[11:33] <Kamion> if you can find an equivalent package in universe, that's much better
[11:33] <Kamion> you can't install RPM packages directly
[11:33] <talon906> it's an as400 client access rpm from IBM
[11:33] <Kamion> ah, alien is probably your only hope then
[11:33] <talon906> once converted to .deb where do I place it
[11:33] <talon906> and install it?
[11:33] <Burgundavia> anywhere
[11:34] <sabdfl> night all
[11:34] <Burgundavia> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <stvn> night sabdfl
[11:34] <Burgundavia> where package.deb is your package
[11:34] <talon906> thanks Burgundavia
[11:35] <Burgundavia> np
[11:39] <talon906> the file has been converted to .deb however it appears to be locked
[11:39] <talon906> when I run sudo dpkg -i file.deb, it reports status database area is locked by another process
[11:40] <stvn> talon906: close synaptic, aptitude or any apt related application
[11:40] <ogra> talon906: close synaptic ;)
[11:40] <ions> so when Ubuntu loses it's net connection do I have to reinstall?  I'm not finding a single solution
[11:41] <ogra> ions: did it ?
[11:41] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6991#post6991 <- sorry to slap you with a url but it's explained well there
[11:41] <talon906> that did it, thanks
[11:41] <ogra> ions: your post says nothing, i just looked at it give more info....
[11:42] <ions> like what?
[11:42] <ogra> ions: what kind of conn i.e. ;)
[11:42] <ions> cable
[11:42] <ions> no router
[11:43] <ogra> ok,
[11:43] <ogra> ions: same cablemodem on both setups ?
[11:43] <iotc247> hello anyone know why i keep failing to install at the base install? i get to the info file and then it fails.
[11:43] <ions> no, different modems
[11:44] <iotc247> anyone?
[11:45] <ogra> ions: so, first possible caveat
[11:45] <ions> it worked fine before I did the apt-gets
[11:46] <iotc247> Anyone?
[11:47] <Kamion> iotc247: "the info file"?
[11:47] <Kamion> bah!
[11:47] <stvn> heh, some are just too impatiant
[11:47] <MyKq3> what can i do if i install a package and the package don't run after i installed it  ( with aptget) for e.g. i installed freeciv but when i execute "freeciv" nothing happen ...
[11:47] <Kamion> 'dpkg -L freeciv' and look through the contents of the package for what to do
[11:48] <ogra> ions: did you recognize what got updated ?
[11:48] <Kamion> except in this case it'll be one of freeciv-client-*
[11:48] <ions> no, I just ran the command - I assumed they were safe
[11:48] <ions> first time using apt
[11:48] <Kamion> MyKq3: try 'civclient-gtk'
[11:48] <MyKq3> Kamion,  i can read it on the synaptic ....
[11:49] <ogra> stvn: <stvn> heh, some are just too impatiant
[11:49] <stvn> ogra: tre
[11:49] <stvn> true
[11:49] <Kamion> might need civserver too, not sure exactly how freeciv works
[11:49] <ogra> *g*
[11:49] <ogra> ions: did you reboot ?
[11:49] <ions> in that first thread I started about admining the machine via ssh I asked if there were things I should be aware of
[11:49] <theantix> in freeciv1 you'll need civserver, but not in the upcoming freeciv2
[11:49] <MyKq3> Kamion,  :))) i have ^^ no use .... ( and remmber that i mantion it for a e.g. i don't have problems only with freeciv  )
[11:49] <ions> yes - did reboot
[11:49] <stvn> I just hate it to give ppl a bad trip with linux
[11:50] <Kamion> MyKq3: yes, dpkg -L is usually a good way to find what's in the package
[11:50] <theantix> freeciv2 is sweet, by the way -- can't wait for them to iron the final bugs out
[11:50] <MyKq3> theantix,  yeah me too
[11:51] <ogra> ions: what does "route" say ?
[11:51] <ions> I dunno - haven't tried that
[11:51] <tom__> seem to be having a problem with synaptic ^^;
[11:51] <stvn> tom__: like?
[11:51] <ions> the machine is next door so I have to run over there everytime I try something
[11:51] <tom__> everytime I try to open it, I get an error message:
[11:52] <stvn> ?
[11:52] <ions> what should I be looking for "route" to say ogra ?
[11:52] <tom__> Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:52] <tom__> adn a bunch more like it
[11:52] <stvn> tom__: press the reload button
[11:52] <tom__> K
[11:52] <ogra> ions: there should be a line starting with "default" and one line for the interface
[11:53] <tom__> hmm.. most of it worked
[11:53] <stvn> tom__: except?
[11:53] <tom__> got another error though:
[11:53] <tom__> Could not download all repository indexes
[11:53] <tom__> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[11:53] <ogra> ions: and ahve a look at ifconfig....there should be an ip address anywhere
[11:53] <mirak_> ummmm.....is something wrong with the repositories??
[11:53] <tom__> not just me then?
[11:53] <stvn> tom__: did you add repositories by hand?
[11:53] <mirak_> lol
[11:53] <ions> yeah there is an IP listed in ifconfig
[11:54] <tom__> well, if you mean settings>repositories
[11:54] <tom__> did that
[11:54] <ogra> tom__: settings->repos, uncheck the cdrom line
[11:54] <tom__> K
[11:54] <ogra> tom__: referesh afterwards
[11:54] <ions> brb - I'm gonna run over there and try "route"
[11:54] <ogra> ions:k
[11:54] <mirak_> i havent even used my computer since the last time i used synaptic.....well i used synaptic, then about 5 mins later...i got off
[11:54] <stvn> tom__: if you only used synaptic, just remove the cdrom and reload, it shopuld be fine
[11:55] <mirak_> i cant acces any repositories
[11:55] <tom__> ohh, well the disc is STILL in ^^;
[11:55] <tom__> and wasted so many before I burned one right :D
[11:55] <tom__> unRARed the iso image somehoe 0.0
[11:55] <stvn> hehe
[11:55] <tom__> heeh, classic wn n00b eh
[11:56] <tom__> well, my friend suggested I go back to linux
[11:56] <tom__> so
[11:56] <stvn> nah, don't know many n00bs who know how to unrar ;)
[11:56] <MyKq3> okay when i do dpkg -L freeciv  for e.g. i get all the path were the package had been installed ... but how can i execute it  ?
[11:56] <tom__> ohhhh, so that means I'm not a TOTAL noob then :)
[11:56] <stvn> tom__: heh
[11:57] <stvn> tom__: ubuntu is a good linux to start with anyway
[11:57] <mirak_> tom__, is your problem fixed?
[11:57] <tom__> seems that way
[11:57] <mirak_> tom__, what did you do?
[11:57] <tom__> but, it worked before, WITH the disc in, how come now I got this error
[11:58] <tom__> unchecked cdrom from repos
[11:58] <tom__> even tho disc was in
[11:58] <mirak_> hmm....ill try that......mine used to work with the disk out
[11:58] <tom__> do I need the CDROM repos for anything?
[11:58] <stvn> tom__: no
[11:58] <tom__> or is that stuff I have already?
[11:58] <tom__> wow
[11:58] <tom__> such a great community :)
[11:58] <stvn> :)
[11:59] <mirak_> umm....still busted
[11:59] <tom__> ehehe
[11:59] <stvn> mirak_: eh?
[11:59] <mirak_> stvn, i cannot acces the repositories
[11:59] <Zubthemaster9> so it not just me then!!
[11:59] <mirak_> lol
[11:59] <stvn> mirak_: you can however access internet, http and ftp pages?


[08:25] <robitaille> @topic
[10:35] <dholbach> ID
[09:59] <mjg59> mdz: Hi
[09:59] <pitti> hi
[09:59] <ogra> meep  meep
[10:03] <mjg59> mdz: Yo?
[10:03] <mdz> mjg59: hi
[10:03] <mdz> I think we're it; no response from sabdfl or Kamion
[10:03] <ogra> KEybuk ?
[10:03] <mdz> er Keybuk
[10:03] <ogra> :)
[10:04] <mjg59> Heh
[10:04] <mdz> let's give them 5 minutes
[10:04] <mdz> while we look over the agenda
[10:04] <mjg59> Scott's on holiday this week, I believe
[10:05] <mdz> hmm, through tomorrow, yes
[10:05] <mdz> and sabdfl is out to dinner apparently
[10:05] <ogra> not really an agenda today
[10:05] <ogra> only candidates ...
[10:05] <mdz> that is part of the permanent agenda
[10:05] <mdz> no new core candidates
[10:06] <ogra> oh, daf is going for MOTU ?
[10:06] <mdz> are any ubuntu-dev candidates present?
[10:06] <mjg59> daf isn't around right now
[10:06] <mjg59> (And his phone isn't being answered)
[10:07] <dholbach> so my ping was a bit pointless :)
[10:07] <ogra> heh
[10:07] <mdz> dholbach: did you ping the person who applied yesterday?
[10:07] <dholbach> yes
[10:07] <dholbach> no answers
[10:08] <mdz> wow, we really may have no agenda
[10:08] <mjg59> Ha
[10:08] <mdz> is there any other business?
[10:08] <mjg59> I left the pub for this!!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?
[10:08] <mjg59> (ahem)
[10:08] <mjg59> Not that I would turn up to a TB meeting under the influence
[10:08] <mdz> of course not
[10:08] <mdz> especially on a tuesday
[10:08] <mjg59> Indeed
[10:09] <mdz> last call for tech board business...
[10:09] <mdz> hearing none, adjourned
[10:10] <mdz> mjg59: enjoy the pub
[10:10] <ogra> :)
[10:10] <zul> drive safely..


[08:18] <Archon> has anyone here had troubles installing java6, but not java5?
[08:45] <dholbach> good morning
[14:22] <strAlan_> sup all


[01:49] <pleia2> jose: doc looks good if you want to send out the email to summary writers (have at least 1 new one who appreciates the email :))
[04:19] <jose> pleia2: cool! just got back home, will do :)


[07:38] <YoBoY> bonjour
[20:34] <Silverlion> good evening all
[23:48] <Silverlion> have a good night everyone!


[00:00] <fomenko_> or make my own distro
[00:01] <fomenko_> I dont know, but something must change in linux dependency problem
[00:01] <fomenko_> good night
[00:52] <guest28798> Hi. I was here yesterday and also #ubuntu both yesterday and right now. No one seems to be turning up for the problem I'm havintg and I desparately need a soln. I'm a comp sci majot about to look for a job in web dev and ubuntu is the only system I know well enought to do what I need (coding/code example to apply for jobs). Please, if anyone can help (I know this isn't a support channel but I'm stuck and I neeeeed a soln some-ho
[00:52] <guest28798> w). Please advise what do I do to find a soln. I cannot even install ubuntu w/ this problem what it is.
[00:53] <guest28798> comp sci major
[00:54] <guest28798> some-how
[01:00] <guest28798> I have to go eat - back in 30 or 40 min
[01:23] <infinity> guest28798: It generally helps if you tell people what your problem is, rather than pleading for help but leaving out the details. :P
[01:47] <guest28798> Infinity, you still there?
[01:50] <guest28798> I'm on a borrowed computer chatting so may not be able to be on here very much longer. I have the hp pavillion dv6000 (circa 2007). Neither the keyboard nor the mouse work at all when I fire up the ubuntu 14 installation cd in it. I think I can plug in a usb keyboard and have some input to do the install but what do I do for a permanent fix so I can ultimately use the keyboard and mouse on the laptop?
[01:50] <guest28798> something in gsettings? I really don't know.
[01:55] <guest28798> Starting to fear I'll have to figure it out myself. Either no one know or noone cares. If I do, eventually, figure it out,
[01:56] <guest28798> If I do I'll post the soln so we all have one. This problem is all over the internet (in various forms) going back at least 78
[01:57] <guest28798>  7 years but no soln for current relases of ubuntu after it changed from using gnome settings to gsettings
[01:58] <guest28798> And what really is the reason for some problems I see that go on for years with no soln? Don't make sense. Gives a person the impresion that ubuntu just doesn't care about some things/peple/probs
[02:14] <infinity> Guest49899: I'm afraid I know nothing of old HP Pavillions, sorry.
[02:14] <infinity> Err, wrong "Guest".
[16:39] <LeartS> Hi guys! I'm not sure this is the right channel to ask: I proposed a backport of evince utopic to trust, now I'm trying to test it using backportpackage. I would like to build it *not* in a chroot, as that would mean downloading all of gnome etc. Is there a way to do this?


[00:00] <zyx386> hi
[00:00] <zyx386> why ubuntu just with gnome is LTS?
[00:02] <zyx386> :)
[00:02] <Nafallo> zyx386: huh?
[00:03] <zyx386> Nafallo, !
[00:06] <zyx386> wb ALL
[00:09] <sharms> zyx386 -  Ask in #ubuntu this is the wrong channel
[00:09] <zyx386> ok sorry
[02:57] <ls3> hi
[02:57] <ls3> one question, my laptop got wifi, but lspci shows no wifi device, whats went wrong?
[02:57] <ls3> using xubuntu here
[03:02] <pwnguin> is the kill switch on?
[03:03] <ls3> kill ?
[03:03] <ls3> how to check?
[03:03] <pwnguin> its a physical switch on the laptop
[03:03] <ls3> the wifi switch is on, the FN + F2
[03:03] <pwnguin> but this is really not the right place for a support conversation
[03:04] <ls3> oh yeah, i forgot, i should go to #ubuntu instead of #ubuntut-devel
[03:10]  * cody-somerville wonders how many developer channels ls3 will visit in his attempt to get his question answered.
[07:08] <pwnguin> anyone know of a more modern frontend to graphviz than dotty?
[07:54] <Keybuk> !
[07:54] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:47] <lifeless> cjwatson: imp.find_module supports __path__ correctly
[08:48] <StevenK> lifeless: What do you think about bug 230294?
[08:49] <lifeless> I think its fixed upstream and should have a new package done for hardy
[08:50] <StevenK> lifeless: Well, I'm happy to sort out the SRU process, is it possible to have a small patch to 1.3.1?
[08:50] <lifeless> StevenK: I don't know
[08:51] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm just not sure about pushing bzr 1.4 into hardy-proposed
[08:52] <lifeless> StevenK: 1.4 is tested; 1.3.1 with a patch is not
[08:53] <StevenK> slangasek: Could you also poke at bug 230294?
[08:54] <sbeattie> kees: ping
[09:05] <mantiena> hi all
[09:33] <elmo> evand/hobbsee: ping?
[09:36] <evand> elmo: pong
[09:41] <mantiena> evand: hi, I've noticed your name in oem-config changelog, I've found, that there are no possibility to translate oem-config launcher (.desktop file) in translations.ubuntu.com, against which package I should report this bug ?
[09:42] <evand> mantiena: oem-config
[09:42] <mantiena> evand: thanks
[09:42] <StevenK> Keybuk: Are you aware of a bug in Hardy that sets group to 'disk' for USB keys rather than plugdev?
[09:43] <Keybuk> StevenK: err?
[09:43] <StevenK> If you say "Use Firefox 3" like you did for the schedule, I'll be cranky. :-P
[09:43] <Keybuk> I'm aware of the fact that disks are in the disk subsystem like they should be
[09:43] <Keybuk> and that the plugdev group is not used
[09:43] <Keybuk> I wouldn't use the term "bug"
[09:43] <Keybuk> I'd use the term "ding-dong, plugdev is dead"
[09:45] <StevenK> Keybuk: In Gutsy, USB key devices had a group of plugdev, which means normal users could deal with the block device. Now in Hardy, only root can.
[09:46] <Keybuk> StevenK: assertion error
[09:46] <Keybuk> In gutsy, USB storage devices were in the plugdev group
[09:47] <Keybuk> "desktop" users were also in the plugdev group
[09:47] <Keybuk> which meant that desktop users could fiddle with the disk
[09:47] <Keybuk> In hardy, USB storage devices are in the disk group
[09:47] <Keybuk> and ACLs are added for users on the foreground console
[09:47] <Keybuk> which means that users who can actually plug in USB keys can fiddle with the disk
[09:47] <Keybuk> regardless of their profile
[09:48] <mantiena> evand: I've noticed line "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=oem-config" in oem-config-prepare-gtk.desktop file, isn't this line enough to appear in translations.ubuntu.com ?
[09:59] <mantiena> cjwatson: hi
[10:00] <mantiena> cjwatson: what you think about fixing bug 233949 before Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS ?
[10:01] <mantiena> it's safe to fix bug - just add one string to translations.ubuntu.com and regenerate new language-packs :)
[10:04] <slangasek> StevenK: poke at it how?
[10:05] <StevenK> slangasek: So, I'd like to fix it. Do you think bzr 1.4 is suitable at all, or I should beat lifeless for a patch?
[10:06] <slangasek> StevenK: if resolving requires me to make a determination of whether 1.4 is suitable, it'll miss 8.04.1; best to hang lifeless upside-down by his feet and shake out a patch
[10:07]  * StevenK grins
[10:09] <mjr> so is ks the recommended way of doing automated installs nowadays, ie. should I just battle with that instead of preseeding?
[10:13] <mantiena> mjr: sorry for disturbing, but could you tell me what is ks ?
[10:13] <mantiena> I'm also interesting in automated installs
[10:14] <mjr> kickstart, apparently there is hacked-up kickstart support in hardy
[10:14] <mjr> ks has been previously used with redhat installs
[10:14] <pwnguin> is that the pxe thing?
[10:15] <mjr> pxe is just network boot
[10:15] <mjr> but kickstart/preseeding are at their most useful with a network boto
[10:15] <mjr> boot
[10:16] <pwnguin> i had set up a few servers with a disc and a kernel option
[10:16] <pwnguin> but its not automated =(
[10:17] <mantiena> mjr: maybe some info about using kickstart for automated hardy installs could be found somewhere ?
[10:29] <mjr> mantiena, in the wiki
[10:29]  * mjr likes preseeding better but seems to be having trouble in hardy with that
[10:36] <mjr>  more precise question: how do I preseed everything the installer wants; is there documentation?
[10:53] <lool> soren: Hey, which branch of ubuntu-jeos is the one I should look at to get things in tip?  There's a trunk marked as "Mature" and an intrepid branch marked as "Development"; the later has the youngest commits
[10:59] <soren> lool: Intrepid's the one you want.
[11:07] <lool> soren: Could you have a look at the change in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?
[11:07] <lool> soren: Ideally, I'd love to upload and use this now
[11:23] <ivoks> http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
[11:23] <ivoks> ups... :)
[11:24] <\sh> ivoks: lol
[11:41] <sivang> hmm, colin watson seems not to be around
[11:41] <sivang> cjwatson: ah, actually there you are?
[11:47] <\sh> hey sivang long time no see
[11:51] <sivang> hey \sh how are you doing ?
[11:52] <\sh> sivang: fine :) getting older, more sarcastic, so everything is in good shape :)
[11:53] <sivang> \sh: as long as health is preserved, i guess so :)
[11:54] <sivang> \sh: do you know whom I need to contact to renew my ubuntu-dev membership ?
[11:55] <\sh> sivang: motu thing? the MOTU Council<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:10] <sivang> \sh: ubuntu-dev is motu right, as opposed to ubuntu-dev-core which is main developers ?
[12:10] <\sh> sivang: correct :)
[12:11] <cody-somerville> not really
[12:11] <cody-somerville> ubuntu-dev is ubuntu-dev-core AND ubuntu motu
[12:12] <\sh> oh damn..yes
[12:12] <sivang> huh ?
[12:12] <sivang> when did this happen ?
[12:12] <\sh> ubuntu-dev is now all
[12:12] <sivang> aggregations of teams? :)
[12:12] <sivang> okay, so if I were approved for universe, whom do i need to contact ?
[12:15] <cody-somerville> simira, contact to do what?
[12:15] <simira> cody-somerville: get your tab-completion right ;)
[12:16] <cody-somerville> pfft ;p
[12:16] <cody-somerville> sorry
[12:16] <\sh> sivang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:17]  * \sh goes and have some rest...
[12:18] <sivang> \sh: k, thanks
[12:44] <Hobbsee> elmo: pong
[12:44] <Hobbsee> elmo: (what have i done?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> )
[13:38] <slangasek> pitti: is the "general case" of bug #210379 an SRU target for glib2.0?
[13:41] <guysoft42> hey all, did any of you get a bug report gksu doesnt work after hardy update?
[13:41] <pitti> slangasek: I'd like it to be, at least; it's annoying and confusing
[13:41] <guysoft42> because the irony is that you can't use the update manger to update the packages.. becasue gksu doesnt work!
[13:42] <pitti> slangasek: you get weird error messages popped into your face whenever someone else mounts something
[13:42] <slangasek> pitti: ok, leaving the hardy bug state alone then
[13:42] <pitti> slangasek: that's why I left it open, yeah
[13:44] <emgent> heya
[14:26] <lool> nijaba: ubuntu-vm-builder is broken for me because of set -e; could you check the latest revs (well or all revs) in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?
[14:26] <lool> nijaba: TIA
[14:27] <nijaba> lool: sure, thanks
[14:33] <lool> nijaba: Blah, it's really broken /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder: line 565: DESTINATION: unbound variable
[14:33] <nijaba> lool: this is why the branch is experimental
[14:35] <lool> So you don't run the experimental branch, just commit to it?
[14:35] <lool> Anyway, fix pushed at same location
[14:35] <lool> Actually runs debootstrap now
[14:39] <nijaba> lool: yes I do, but apparently not with the same params you are, or I would have fixed it ;)
[14:43] <lool> nijaba: Well ubuntu-vm-builder kvm hardy didn't work :)
[14:50] <nijaba> lool: :/ really?
[14:53] <lool> nijaba: really!
[14:53]  * nijaba hides
[14:57] <lool> Hmm I can't test full UME vms, I don't have enought space in /tmp
[14:57] <lool> Now I really have to fix that using /tmp thing
[14:57] <liw> lool, $TMPDIR isn't obeyed?
[15:20] <lool> Urgh, ubuntu-vm-builder writes to a tmpfs
[15:21] <lool> liw: Actually I thought my /tmp was full, but the tmpfs in /tmp was full, it defaults to half of my memory to 1.5GB
[15:22] <ogra> lool, its a script, no ? you should be able to tweak paths
[15:22] <lool> Naturally
[15:23] <lool> ogra: What strikes me is that it probably means you can't run the script on 512 MB machines to bootstrap ubuntu
[15:23] <asac> pitti: doko: could you give back xulrunner-1.9 for all archs in intrepid?
[15:25] <asac> pitti: doko: sorry ... nevermind.
[15:25] <ogra> lool, well, adding a switch to use the disk instead should be possible i suppose
[15:25] <ogra> not sure how that affects speed then though
[15:27] <lool> Would be cool to be able to disable journal and bump the commit interval for a bind mount
[15:28] <lool> Well for a subdir rather
[15:40] <tmmoyer> is there any method (short of unplugging the network cable) of forcing the installer (using preseeding) to prefer the packages on the CD, and only to retrieve packages from somewhere other than the CD only when the CD doesn't provide the package needed? I want to create an installer that has some custom packages and prefers these to what it can get from the repository
[15:43] <Keybuk> lifeless: you know how bzr pull, push, merge, etc. have a --remember ?
[15:44] <StevenK> Keybuk: You want --forget? :-)
[15:47] <lifeless> Keybuk: yes?
[15:47] <Keybuk> StevenK: yup
[15:47] <Keybuk> lifeless: ^
[15:47] <lifeless> Keybuk: patches etc
[15:47] <Keybuk> lifeless: write one ;)
[15:48] <lifeless> Keybuk: know where ted/mpt are?
[15:49] <Keybuk> not in here
[16:49] <evand> mneptok: http://technalign.blogspot.com/2008/04/where-we-are-and-where-were-going.html
[17:25] <Foxandxss> hi
[18:15] <scriptdevil> I read somewhere in the ubuntu wiki about a site where users upload their own packages, can anybody point that site to me?
[18:20] <\sh> http://revu.tauware.de
[18:21] <\sh> or you think about LaunchPAD personal package archives...
[18:41] <lifeless> pitti: ping
[19:01] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/May21/a/hardy_install_error1.png  I think it should be able to give something better than "failed for unknown reasons" - what package should I bug?
[19:25] <ceekay> does 7.04 have the ability to write kernel crash dumps?
[19:26] <ceekay> can't seem to find any hard evidence of when/if something like LKCD was integrated into ubuntu
[19:43] <lifeless> pitti: bug 234101 and bug 234105
[19:43] <lifeless> pitti: for your consideration :)
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: ubuiquity I think offhand
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: oh, sorry, alt installer -
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: debian-installer is the root package
[19:44] <CarlFK> lifeless: thanks
[19:58] <emgent> heya
[20:50] <jharr> I figured I'd poke someone in here about the gdm welcome message not being displayed in the Human theme.
[20:50] <jharr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/177745 - I posted a patch
[20:53] <emgent> someone can active my ubuntu.com mail alias?
[20:55] <stgraber> emgent: should be done automatically after a day or so, your main e-mail on LP will be where mails for your @ubuntu.com will end up
[21:02] <emgent> stgraber: yeah, i know but alias now dont work
[21:03] <emgent> i will wait :)


[12:21] <greyback_> ltinkl: hey, I added a question on https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/qtmir/xkbkeys/+merge/265810
[12:21] <greyback_> am curious why some entries are commented out
[12:22] <ltinkl> greyback_, I'll address it shortly, need to sort out some mess first :)
[12:22] <greyback_> ltinkl: no rush
[14:07] <greyback__> oops, closed this by accident


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[04:21] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the story on the Edit party for UWN
[04:21] <Admiral_Chicago> seem like it's supposed to happen...soon correct?
[04:22] <Admiral_Chicago> wait no, i'm a bit slow. got confused on the conversion
[04:28] <j1mc> word up, Admiral_Chicago
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: are we still doing the editing for UWN. seems like there is nobody here and I'm late
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> wait a second, am I converting time wrongly again...
[04:32] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm not.
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: FYI, i'm editing UWN 30.
[05:43] <Burgundavia> rock
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie start up gobby
[05:43] <Burgundavia> sorry, but I realized I have to work on my book tonight
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: can you give us a hand?
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay
[05:43] <ChaosEddie> hi. Admiral_Chicago said he needs people to help with UWN, so here I am. how can I help?
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> well I think I'm the only one making this party
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: turn on Gobby
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: host is ubuntu.juliux.de
[05:44] <ChaosEddie> who is gobby? what?
[05:44] <red_herr1ng> boo.
[05:44] <red_herr1ng> sudo apt-get install gobby   ChaosEddie
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: collaberative text editor
[05:45] <ChaosEddie> ah cool
[05:45] <ChaosEddie> couldn't find package
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: repositories
[05:45] <ChaosEddie> Admiral_Chicago: live cd. tell me how to do this
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> 6523
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> is the port
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:46] <red_herr1ng> whats the pw?
[05:46] <ChaosEddie> k now what
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ChaosEddie: look at the one that says universe
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> uncomment them
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> red_herr1ng: UMN 30. its 2 up
[05:47] <ChaosEddie> unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> err UWN*
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:47] <red_herr1ng> Admiral_Chicago: k
[05:47] <red_herr1ng> so now describe what i have to do
[05:50] <ChaosEddie> okay now what. how uncomment.
[05:53] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh delete the #
[05:54] <ChaosEddie> all of them, the first one? last one
[06:02] <Admiral_Chicago> the two that say universe
[06:02] <Admiral_Chicago> lucky for Corey that the Chicago LoCo is around :)
[06:03] <red_herr1ng> pretty much
[06:15] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ping?
[06:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: you ever use gobbyL
[06:16] <Jucato> oh sorry, no
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm trying to do some work on Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, I need people to help write it.
[06:21] <ChaosEddie> Admiral_Chicago: i dont see universe.... i see it on one line only, one # i should say
[06:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato ChaosEddie nvm, i'm quitting for today, I have to finish reading
[06:22] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sorry couldn't help... :(
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: I did some work, included decision by TB, included new Ubuntu Members, some Feisty changes.
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> 50 + changes to go
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone have work on Herd 4 page? Is it in progress?
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> ah it is in progress
[08:56] <ChaosEddie> Admiral_Chicago: go to sleep?
[12:54] <juliux> !seen jenda
[12:56] <elkbuntu> juliux, seenserv and /ns info jenda will be more useful to you ;)
[12:56] <juliux> elkbuntu, pips1 and i where wondering how the syntax for the bot was, so i tryied here;)
[12:56] <juliux> elkbuntu, but now we know that the bot is not working at the moment
[12:57] <elkbuntu> neither bot has a seen function anymore
[12:57] <juliux> that we know now;)
[12:59] <elkbuntu> so technically the bot is still working ;)
[02:07] <Mez> popey, or this channel way over here?
[02:07] <popey> watch it you
[02:14] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:14] <elkbuntu> 'sup dude?
[02:22] <popey> tick tock tick tock
[02:22] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:22] <popey> 40 mins till home time
[02:22] <elkbuntu> noice
[02:37] <BenC> I was told to check here for getting something added to the fridge
[03:13] <elkbuntu> BenC, #ubuntu-fridge would also be a good place to try
[03:14] <BenC> elkbuntu: I ended up emailing fridge list, but thanks
[03:14] <elkbuntu> BenC, that works also
[10:40] <jenda> OKeydoke, folks - I'm out.
[10:40] <jenda> I'll be back on March 19
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> jenda: going somewhere fun?
[10:40] <jenda> India :)
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> cool
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> have fun
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> hopefully someone can look at UWN 30 today
[11:40] <Burgwork> Admiral_Chicago: I will do so tonight
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: thanks, I'd help but I have some events today. I'll try to get some more done around 1 UTC


[14:37] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: depends, since we don't have quite the same kernel, but most things are just the same. so yes, there will be some coordination to do
[21:57] <tsimonq2> hmm interesting


[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> hey jdeslip_android
[02:05] <seidos> hey DarkwingDuck
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> jdeslip55: Yes, I'll be here.
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> hows life seidos
[02:06] <jdeslip55> DarkwingDuck: awesome thanks
[02:06] <seidos> DarkwingDuck: the big bang from what i hear
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> jdeslip55: No problems... looks like it wont be that long of a meeting.
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Greetings and salutations
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Do have anyone here for a meeting?
[02:59] <philipballew> ME!
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[03:00] <MarkDude> Nice to meet you DarkwingDuck
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> Due to pleia2 being in Budapest for UDS and JAck being at a mothers day dinner I am happy to open and close this meeting
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> ** MEETING START **
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> First off, a HUGE thank you for all of you who helped make Natty a success
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> All the testing and bug submitting helped out a lot. So thanks.
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> And that brings us to the Release Party Wrap-ups
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> Who attended any and how did it turn out?
[03:03] <philipballew> i saw from pictures that there were a good amount of people
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone here that attended the Thirsty Bear?
[03:03]  * eps did
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> grantbow: ping?
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh how was it eps
[03:04] <eps> Crowded, noisy. The beer was good. Jono was there, which was a nice treat.
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> Sweet
[03:05] <DarkwingDuck> I don't see any other ones listed
[03:05] <philipballew> i think they all traveled to that one
[03:05] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have anything to ad to the release parties?
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> *add
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> If not then this brings us to plans for the next release
[03:07] <philipballew> ^agreed
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Starting tonight at midnight local california time UDS will start.
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> You can remote participate. It starts at midnight our time with the last sessions starting at 8am
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> You can follow along with audio streaming and IRC participation http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[03:09]  * MarkDude is still hoping to have one- a family reunion was changed- I am up in the air at moment
[03:09] <philipballew> do they need anything specific from us when we remote participate?
[03:09] <philipballew> ill go to yours mark!
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> Just chime in what you think is needed. It's a lot of open forum within the sessions.
[03:10] <philipballew> for sure. i did it last october and may before that. it seemed helpful to them
[03:10] <DarkwingDuck> Also, anyone have any ideas what we as a loco want to help participate for Oneiric?
[03:11] <philipballew> advertisements?
[03:11] <DarkwingDuck> In what way?
[03:12] <philipballew> i have seen other groups do posters or videos (commericals made) and i've seen a street team
[03:12] <philipballew> not a ubuntu street team that i have seen
[03:12] <DarkwingDuck> That sounds pretty cool.
[03:12] <philipballew> iheartubuntu made a anamited add not long ago
[03:12]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[03:13] <jtatum> midnight to 8.. that's gonna be a little rough :)
[03:13] <philipballew> thats my peek hours!
[03:13] <DarkwingDuck> tell me about it jtatum I'll be charging it head on
[03:13] <DarkwingDuck> I have loads of Kubuntu sessions
[03:15] <philipballew> ^ red bull!
[03:15] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have any other buisness for this insanly short Meeting?
[03:15] <MarkDude> go-juice
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> On a side note.... Detroit and San Jose are tied at 3 with 8 minutes to go in the third. :D
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway, anyone have anything?
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> gripes?   Weather looks pretty good here, so I guess it'd be better there.
[03:32] <akk> hangin' out with the sea otters again
[03:32] <aaditya> what you upto there?
[03:33] <MarkDude> Visiting family
[03:35] <aaditya> awesome
[03:35] <aaditya> Partying and all?
[05:13] <MarkDude> My nephew had those spinning top things called BeyBlades- looks better than Pokemon
[05:28] <pleia2> short meetings are nice :)
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> Hey pleia2
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: how is budapest?
[05:35] <pleia2> too bright too early :)
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[05:35] <pleia2> it's 6:30am, I don't care for 6:30am
[05:36] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[05:36] <DarkwingDuck> I'm doing the full time remote thing.
[05:36] <pleia2> crazy :)
[05:36] <DarkwingDuck> Meh
[05:36] <DarkwingDuck> I need to... I'm involved in too many projects.
[05:37] <pleia2> last time I just caught up with blueprints, I only was able to attend a couple sessions
[05:37] <pleia2> it worked ok
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> As deep as I am in Kubuntu...
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> I'm remotly chairing like 3 meetings LOL
[05:37] <pleia2> yeah, I didn't end up chairing anything last time
[05:38] <DarkwingDuck> You going to be at the UBT meeting at 4?
[05:38] <pleia2> I was planning on it, lemme doublecheck to make sure there are no conflicts
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> Kk
[05:40] <pleia2> heh, oh yeah, that's the one that's at the same time as NGO
[05:40] <pleia2> but I'll be at BT
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm missing Kubuntu File Share for it.
[05:40] <pleia2> except for that conflict my day is pretty light need-to-attend wise
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> Nice (XL Oneiric T)
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> I wish I was there :P:P
[05:42] <pleia2> yeah yeah, I'll see what I can do :)
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> Sweeeeeeeet
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[05:43] <DarkwingDuck> I think i'm going to be a blogging fiend
[05:45] <pleia2> I love how buggy these apps are for your phones for all these conferences
[05:45] <pleia2> (the scale one sucked too)
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[05:54] <MarkDude> pleia2, remind Cheri to use Twitter- she needs to promote a bit :)
[07:09] <philipballew> whats the best way to tune in live to uds?
[07:49] <DarkwingDuck> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[16:57] <MarkDude> Sounds like Mark S had a decent talk
[18:33] <philipballew> does anyone know a way to watch mark's keynote that was last night?
[18:37] <jamalta> philipballew: they will get posted in the Miro channel (http://ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/) but they're usually pretty slow about that :\
[18:38] <jamalta> more info here: http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[18:39] <philipballew> so basically the video should be up in a while, just not now?
[18:41] <jamalta> philipballew: yeah, whenever someone gets around to uploading it, i guess.
[18:41] <jamalta> :\
[18:48] <pleia2> popey has been uploading them: http://blip.tv/file/5121977
[18:48] <pleia2> doh
[18:48] <pleia2> well, when he comes back! :)
[18:48]  * pleia2 heads down to social
[18:51] <jamalta> pleia2: then we should update uds.ubuntu.com/remote to point to the blip page :)
[18:56]  * jdeslip is bummed chrome/chromium will not be replacing firefox as default browser
[19:18]  * crashsystems is glad FF is remaining the default browser


[00:53] <Viper550> almost done
[01:15] <Viper550> saas just gotta get the footer in
[02:24] <Viper550> anyone here
[02:24] <knome> no
[02:26] <Viper550> knome, yeah right :)
[02:26] <knome> :)
[02:38] <Viper550> knome, http://iidxfreak.com/forum/index.php trying to make thos work
[02:38] <knome> so what is not working?
[02:41] <Viper550> the font sizes
[02:41] <knome> mm-hmm?
[02:41] <Viper550> http://ubuntu.kuzeko.com/forum.html trying to be close to
[02:42] <knome> did you notice that the forum post titles are inside <h2> ?
[02:42] <Viper550> yeah
[02:42] <Viper550> earlier I had not imported the stylesheet... watch
[02:43] <Viper550> refresh, and you get a more correct look, but then the footer turns to mush
[02:44] <knome> heh
[02:44] <knome> are you at all familiar with css? :P
[02:46] <Viper550> mostly, but I don't know what's going on, I was trying to make a version of the CSS stripped down to just what was needed to render the header and footer, simply because I wanted to theme the rest using fluxbb syntax
[02:46] <knome> mm-hmm
[02:46] <knome> anyway, i think i'll have to hit the bed
[02:46] <knome> i'll be back tomorrow and can look into it if you still have that problem
[02:47] <knome> see you! :)
[14:28] <cjohnston> newz2000: ping
[14:28] <cjohnston> mdke:
[14:28] <cjohnston> ping
[14:38] <newz2000> hey cjohnston, what's up?
[14:39] <cjohnston> is the wiki gonna get a face lift at all?
[14:39] <newz2000> cjohnston: that seems to be a popular question today
[14:39] <newz2000> or recently
[14:39] <cjohnston> good
[14:39] <newz2000> yes, it will be my next project, probably starting next week but definitely done by the end of July
[14:39] <cjohnston> hehe
[14:39] <cjohnston> sweet
[14:41] <newz2000> the uncertainty comes from needing to work with the design team on it
[14:41] <newz2000> Mark keeps them running at full capacity so there's always unpredictability regarding time frames
[14:57] <cjohnston> ic
[15:53] <Viper550> good morning
[16:17] <Viper550> stas, having an issue in webkit
[16:18] <stas> morning
[16:18] <stas> Viper550: shoot
[16:18] <Viper550> the navbar isn't RIGHT at the top. It works correctly in gecko though
[16:18] <Viper550> and I mean the sub-navbar (brdmenu)
[16:18] <Viper550> http://iidxfreak.com/forum/index.php
[16:20] <Viper550> works fine on the mockup
[16:33] <Viper550> stas I'm putting it up on launchpad now
[16:40] <stas> Viper550: remove overflow: hidden from #brdmenu ul
[16:40] <stas> and put it to #brdmenu
[16:41] <stas> also set brdmenu to height: 40px;
[16:41] <stas> should work
[16:44] <stas> newz2000: http://planet.ubuntu.ro/
[16:45] <Viper550> stas, does! thanks :)
[16:45] <newz2000> stas: awesome!
[16:46] <stas> i'need to clean up a bit the branch (got a lot of romanian there) and will ask for merge after
[16:46] <newz2000> stas: cool, I know jdub will be excited
[16:47] <stas> we'll see :)
[16:48] <Viper550> we just need to get the footer and header pixel perfect first
[16:50] <newz2000> Viper550: are you doing this?
[16:52] <stas> Viper550: push the branch so we can see if there's something we can help with
[16:54] <Viper550> https://code.launchpad.net/~viper550/ubuntu-website/ubuntu-fluxbb-theme
[16:54] <Viper550> already did
[16:59] <Viper550> also I just updated just now, there's now a different post icon look
[17:21] <Viper550> maybe someone could also help fix up brdwelcome, I'm gonna commit again
[17:47] <Viper550> newz2000, yes. I'm making a fluxbb theme
[18:11] <stas> newz2000: the planet venus theme is in repo
[18:11] <stas> lp:~sushkov/ubuntu-website/light-planet-theme
[18:13] <Viper550> that's what its called? Venus?
[18:14] <stas> is planetplanet rewritten
[18:14] <Viper550> oh wait ... I thought the actual theme we're all using
[18:36] <Viper550> stas I'm fixing the branch, it didn't have every file yet
[18:44] <Viper550> stas, now the launchpad repo has the content in it
[19:14] <stas> Viper550: ok, ill take a look at it
[19:14] <stas> thanks
[19:39] <Viper550> stas http://imgur.com/urEom.jpg got it
[19:41] <Viper550> oh, and fluxbb 1.4 has RSS built-in
[19:52] <Viper550> stas, now we need to get the footer and header pixel perfect
[19:52] <stas> Viper550: check out the http://planet.ubuntu.ro/
[19:52] <Viper550> I saw
[19:52] <stas> you will see a border
[19:52] <stas> add the same to your theme
[19:52] <stas> otherway its too white
[19:52] <Viper550> different font too?
[19:53] <stas> you can keep the font but i would use the same
[19:53] <stas> the border is important for eyes especially :)
[19:54] <Viper550> looks hotter
[19:55] <Viper550> looks uglier to me with that font set
[19:55] <Viper550> "	font-family: Helvetica,Arial,'Liberation Sans',FreeSans,sans-serif; "
[20:05] <Viper550> stas also, delete your copy, re-pull it, and upload it again, I changed the folder structure on the repository
[20:08] <Viper550> cause I changed the name to Light
[20:53] <Viper550> stas, we now just need to get the css for the footer working
[21:31] <Viper550> anyone here who can help?
[22:06] <Viper550> alejandraobregon, don't let me gooooo
[22:23] <Viper550> anyway, anyone still here?
[22:24] <knome> no
[22:25] <Viper550> lol.. anyway that theme is almost done, I just need to get the footer in
[22:28] <stas> guys who's on ie here?
[22:28] <knome> stas, i've got ie collection installed in vbox
[22:28] <stas> knome: can you test a webpage for me?
[22:29] <stas> http://planet.ubuntu.ro/
[22:29] <knome> with which ie?
[22:29] <stas> knome: any of them
[22:29] <stas> though 7/8 is ok
[22:29] <knome> just a moment
[22:29] <Viper550> I use Firefox nightly, sorry
[22:29] <knome> i'll fire up vbox
[22:29] <Viper550> but I got IE 8
[22:29] <stas> looks like planet venus doesn't play well in ie
[22:29] <stas> an encoding issue
[22:30] <Viper550> stas, eew, you're right
[22:30] <stas> will report upstrean
[22:30] <knome> hmm
[22:30] <stas> upstream
[22:30] <knome> true
[22:30] <Viper550> while in other news, my fluxbb theme is almost done
[22:32] <Viper550> I got it up in launchpad now
[22:35] <newz2000> Viper550: I'd love to see another screenshot or a working demo
[22:36] <Viper550> how to make a working demo
[22:36] <Viper550> 1. install fluxbb 1.4 final
[22:36] <Viper550> 2. bzr branch lp:~viper550/ubuntu-website/ubuntu-fluxbb-theme
[22:36] <Viper550> 3. Upload the resulting Light.css and Light folder in the styles directory
[22:37] <newz2000> how to make a working demo for someone who has only 90 seconds?
[22:37] <newz2000> ;-)
[22:37] <Viper550> newz2000, http://iidxfreak.com/forum/ go here
[22:37] <newz2000> Thanks
[22:38] <newz2000> More software should come with a tool to pre-populate it with valid data
[22:38] <Viper550> next thing I need to do is get the footer working
[22:38] <newz2000> That looks really good, the theme looks clean and highly readable
[22:39] <Viper550> but I'm having issues getting the footer working exactly like the mockup
[22:39] <Viper550> http://ubuntu.kuzeko.com/forum.html
[22:40] <newz2000> Viper550: in your demo, what is the box next to "This goes somewhere"?
[22:40] <Viper550> redirection
[22:41] <Viper550> new posts icon is orange (plus "[ New posts ]" comes up next to the title
[22:41] <newz2000> oh, I see. So an icon will show up there once it's properly configured?
[22:41] <stas> knome, Viper550 can you try again?
[22:41] <Viper550> actually, that's just the icon that comes up when the forum is a link elsewhere
[22:42] <newz2000> oh, I see
[22:42] <Viper550> this system just uses solid css-based blocks as their post icons by default
[22:42] <Viper550> hit f5 on index and watch
[22:43] <knome> i'm away from vbox already. Viper550 ? :P
[22:43] <Viper550> oh
[22:44] <newz2000> So I have a little issue with this theme, but it could be because there's no real content there yet
[22:44] <Viper550> IE8 + Windows Vista = work
[22:44] <newz2000> And unfortunately it's one of those hard-to describe problems
[22:44] <newz2000> but there's a general feeling of mis-alignment, chaos or messiness
[22:44] <stas> Viper550: thanks
[22:44] <Viper550> hmm, does the forum even need the main footer?
[22:49] <Viper550> http://iidxfreak.com/forum/index.php anyone wanna help me get this footer spaced right?
[22:50] <newz2000> Viper550: what's wrong with it? Looks lovely. ;-)
[22:50]  * newz2000 has to find the firebug equiv for chrome
[22:51] <stas> newz2000: there's firebug light that works OK with it
[22:51] <newz2000> I just found the chrome developer tools, I think it'll work
[22:52] <stas> except those suck :)
[22:52] <Viper550> there's a gap
[22:53] <newz2000> Viper550: get rid of the margin on dd first
[22:54] <newz2000> #page-footer a { text-decoration: none; }
[22:55] <Viper550> got it
[22:55] <newz2000> try adding to that rule above display: block; width: 100%; border-bottom: 1px dotted #333;
[22:55] <Viper550> http://imgur.com/siPDP.jpg is what I was talking about
[22:55] <newz2000> ah, ok
[22:56]  * newz2000 goes back to reading up for his lesson in packaging tomorrow
[23:01] <Viper550> god I'm starting to just HATE em
[23:01] <stas> newz2000: juse before you disappear, are there any other request for wordpress theme, or we can mark it as stable? Ubuntu-ro community is eager to start rebuilding ubuntu.ro this weekend
[23:02] <newz2000> stas: From what I've seen I'm ready to see it in the wild, should we call it a public beta?
[23:02] <stas> i'm all for it
[23:02] <newz2000> I'm in.
[23:02] <stas> also, we mentioned some wordpress plugin for launchpad integration
[23:02] <stas> any news about it?
[23:02] <newz2000> just a moment
[23:03] <stas> having that will definetely make people wanna move to wordpress
[23:03] <Viper550> fluxbb `1.4 has rss support, but you'll need to change the urls for it
[23:03] <Viper550> *but it uses different urls for it
[23:04] <stas> Viper550: just add a footer like the on in planet's theme, dont copycat it only if there's no real reason for that
[23:04] <Turl> newz2000: hi, may I pm you?
[23:04] <newz2000> Turl: you may
[23:04] <Viper550> I'm just making this a template that can be adapted by the other sites
[23:05] <stas> having it simply with some contact info and powered by i think is enough for a forum
[23:05] <stas> Viper550: there's a template for that already, so it might be overhead
[23:05] <Viper550> that's what I'm making it from
[23:06] <newz2000> let's remember to have a discussion about footers soon. I wonder if we can help each other (loco teams) SEO wise by leveraging that footer properly
[23:06] <stas> newz2000: +1 some link exchange would be really awesome
[23:06] <newz2000> Is there some way we can make a todo list so that before any theme leaves beta we have it figured out and implemented?
[23:07] <stas> wiki?
[23:07] <newz2000> we'll have to remember to look there...
[23:07] <newz2000> another way might be to taget a bug for a milestone, which may be more work and no guarantte we'll remember it either. :-)
[23:07] <stas> :) ok, also true
[23:08] <newz2000> ok, lets just remember it. One of us won't forget
[23:09] <stas> about that, I think I can write some app on google app engine that can pull randomly some community links and generate a js that can be included on any webpage
[23:09] <newz2000> well, search engines ignore JS like that, so it will only have partial usefulness
[23:10] <stas> didn't know that...
[23:10] <stas> so we should offer a plugin for each cms
[23:11] <newz2000> stas: Maybe just have a default value that includes some good links in it
[23:12] <stas> depends if there will be somebody to maintain that list
[23:12] <Viper550> trying to make footer-links not padded
[23:12]  * stas brb gone after donuts
[23:13] <newz2000> Viper550: padding on your dd
[23:13] <newz2000> I mean margin
[23:14] <newz2000> I'm like some college student who doesn't want to do their homework and is looking for a distraction
[23:14]  * newz2000 goes back to reading about packaging
[23:15] <Viper550> whatever I do isn't working
[23:15] <newz2000> oh, maybe it's the ul
[23:16] <newz2000> ul.footer-links: padding-left: 0;
[23:21] <Viper550> okay, now I can't get the dt back in the right place
[23:29] <newz2000> stas: when you get a chance, see if you can access this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/wordpress-launchpad-integration
[23:30] <newz2000> and thsi one: https://code.launchpad.net/wordpress-teams-integration
[23:44]  * stas back, no donuts, got vaffles
[23:46] <stas> newz2000: got both, reading the code now
[23:46] <stas> thanks
[23:48] <Viper550> power outage
[23:49] <Viper550> but I'm back now
[23:52] <Viper550> all I must do now is get the footnote positioned right
[23:57] <stas> newz2000: i can see that wordpress-teams-integration is not finished
[23:58] <stas> also the openid uri doesn't repond and some required files are missing from repo


[06:25] <YoBoY> bonjour
[13:08] <akgraner> head_victim, that would work  - just write it up and we'll get it posted..my weeks have been a little nuts as I settle into my new job but it should level out over the next week or so
[13:09] <head_victim> akgraner: no worries, I'm just waiting on the Canonical engineer to get over an illness and I'll put it up.
[13:09] <akgraner> :-)