[14:57] <dgroos> good morning
[14:58] <dgroos> any help available for epoptes?
[14:59] <dgroos> I'm not seeing client computers with the new version.
[15:19] <highvoltage> could someone check if weblive works for them?
[15:20] <highvoltage> I just get "The session can't be started" from the applet
[15:20] <highvoltage> (perhaps I just have a bad java version or something)
[15:20] <dgroos> highvoltage: address?
[15:21] <highvoltage> dgroos: http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive
[15:21] <alkisg> dgroos: hello
[15:21] <highvoltage> I'm using the icedtea plugin and I think that used to work before
[15:21] <dgroos> alkisg: Howdy!
[15:22] <alkisg> dgroos: do you have epoptes-client installed in your chroot?
[15:25] <dgroos> highvoltage: do I need to download the nomachine app as I already have it…  How do I proceed in this case?
[15:25] <dgroos> alkisg: Pretty sure I do--I'll check...
[15:25] <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-query -W epoptes-client
[15:25] <highvoltage> dgroos: nope, it should work without the installed app
[15:26] <dgroos> epoptes-client	0.4.1~lucid1
[15:27] <alkisg> dgroos: how are you launching epoptes? With remote apps from a fat client?
[15:27] <dgroos> highvoltage: so I click on the 'download no machine link?
[15:28] <dgroos> alkisg: no, vía nx to the server (so like sitting in front of the server screen, launching via menu)
[15:28] <alkisg> highvoltage: works for me, lucid
[15:28] <alkisg> dgroos: when epoptes is updated, the clients do not reconnect, they need to be restarted to connect again - is that the case?
[15:29] <alkisg> Do you see the clients as little computer icons, or not at all?
[15:30] <alkisg> dgroos: I'm going to leave in 10 minutes, if you want we can quickly solve it with a vnc... alkisg.dyndns.org from the epoptes help menu
[15:30] <highvoltage> dgroos: nope, these instructions should work: http://edubuntu.org/documentation/weblive
[15:30] <highvoltage> alkisg: ok thanks
[15:30] <dgroos> Don't see the icons.  I'm almost positive a client has been restarted--wait, let me make a vbox client on the server and test.  I'll get back…
[15:31] <highvoltage> stgraber: which java plugin are you using?
[15:32] <dgroos> alkisg: 'k
[15:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: both icedtea and sun were working fine last I tried
[15:32] <alkisg> dgroos: ok as in "no problem with epoptes" or ok as in "I should open my vncviewer and you try again to connect"? :D
[15:33] <dgroos> alkisg: I tried to connect :)
[15:33] <dgroos> the latter :)
[15:33] <alkisg> dgroos: yeah I wasn't ready, try again :D
[15:34] <alkisg> got it, moment...
[15:37] <dgroos> alkisg: might there be anything to do with having the client MAC addresses in the lts.conf file defined?
[15:38] <alkisg> dgroos: no, the certificates are wrong
[15:38] <alkisg> They need to match for the clients to connect
[15:38] <alkisg> The connection is very slow, so you do these:
[15:39] <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[15:39] <alkisg> epoptes-client -c
[15:39] <alkisg> exit
[15:39] <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-image
[15:39] <dgroos> 'k
[15:39] <dgroos> THANKS!
[15:39] <alkisg> Then client reboot :)
[15:39] <alkisg> np
[15:40] <alkisg> If it was up to me, the default would still be to not use certificates :D
[15:43] <dgroos> I know what you mean, I've gone back from ssl mode on CmapTools/CmapServer and am not moving there for plone as well since students then get these scary notes about scam sites etc and it doesn't seem worth it.
[15:43] <alkisg> time to go, bbl
[15:54] <dgroos> highvoltage: fyi I just tried the download button for the nx client (that was the only option available) and it said: "You can't open the application nxclient because PowerPC applications are no longer supported."
[15:55] <dgroos> I then clicked, "OK" then it gave me the dialog box saying that I could continue, that the session was ready to run.  My mac is using intel not PowerPC
[15:57] <highvoltage> dgroos: ok
[16:20] <highvoltage> stgraber: I get the same problem in an edubuntu VM as well
[16:20]  * highvoltage tries oldstable on weblive


[11:46] <DiogoConstantino> hi all
[11:47] <Kilos> Hello
[11:55] <DiogoConstantino> hi jaime and Christoph3, nice of you guys to come
[11:55] <Christoph3> Hi DiogoConstantino
[11:55] <DiogoConstantino> hi there marius_quabeck
[11:57] <Wild_Man> hi DiogoConstantino
[11:57] <DiogoConstantino> hi Wild_Man
[12:00] <DiogoConstantino> I'm on the menu for today :P
[12:00] <diddledan> hello
[12:00] <DiogoConstantino> hi diddledan
[12:01] <DiogoConstantino> hi tcarreira thank you for joining
[12:01] <Kilos> always nice to have support
[12:01] <DiogoConstantino> very
[12:02] <DiogoConstantino> Can't say I can't stop being nervous
[12:02] <DiogoConstantino> so it's nice to have friendly support
[12:02] <Kilos> actually it is rather nerve wracking but just stay calm
[12:03] <diddledan> ok. I think I'm ready
[12:03] <Wild_Man> It's going to be a friendly meeting, no need to worry
[12:03] <diddledan> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board 12:00
[12:03] <meetingology> Meeting started at 12:03:35 UTC.  The chair is diddledan.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[12:04] <diddledan> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for January 20th 2021. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:04] <diddledan> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:04] <diddledan> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:04] <diddledan> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:04] <diddledan> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:04] <diddledan> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the majority of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:04] <diddledan> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[12:04] <diddledan> #topic Diogo Constantino
[12:05] <diddledan> Hi, DiogoConstantino , could you introduce yourself to the board and share the links to your wiki page and launchpad porofile
[12:05] <DiogoConstantino> This is the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiogoConstantino
[12:05] <DiogoConstantino> This is launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~diogoconstantino
[12:06] <DiogoConstantino> I'm using my own name, not a nickname
[12:07] <DiogoConstantino> I've been a huge fan, user, and I believe a continued and good community contributor for Ubuntu
[12:07] <DiogoConstantino> I've been doing lots of community organizing, mostly in Portugal
[12:08] <DiogoConstantino> also contributing to building bridges between European LoCo teams
[12:08] <Kilos> DiogoConstantino why did you take so long to apply for membership?
[12:08] <DiogoConstantino> I've also done some promoting of Ubuntu, by doing talks about Ubuntu in community events
[12:08] <Wild_Man> DiogoConstantino, do you have plans to get involved in the Ubuntu community in other ways, like offering support?
[12:09] <DiogoConstantino> I took so long for several reasons, not that good reasons
[12:09] <Kilos> ok
[12:10] <DiogoConstantino> one was that I dind't felt it was affecting my hability to contribute
[12:10] <DiogoConstantino> the other was the wiki itself it really is not working that well, and this means I needed to have some time to prepare it
[12:11] <Wild_Man> That's a very good way to look at it
[12:11] <Kilos> agreed
[12:11] <DiogoConstantino> on second question I do litle of that
[12:11] <DiogoConstantino> usually on community in person events
[12:11] <DiogoConstantino> or on our ubuntu-pt telegram group
[12:11] <DiogoConstantino> but there's no much record of it
[12:12] <DiogoConstantino> so I didn't mentioned it
[12:12] <DiogoConstantino> on the wiki
[12:13] <DiogoConstantino> it's also on my plans to incentivize the ubuntu-pt community to use more askubuntu
[12:13] <DiogoConstantino> so that will likely lead to more of that by me and others
[12:13] <diddledan> Any more questions? I'll also open the floor for anyone else in here to contribute their testimonials
[12:14] <Kilos> diddledan do your supporters want to add anything
[12:14] <Bashing-om> Solid candidate - I have no questions or further issues to discuss.
[12:14] <Wild_Man> No questions
[12:14] <tylnesh> Hello! I'd like to contribute a testimonial, if it's still needed
[12:15] <diddledan> Kilos: tabfail :-p
[12:15] <jpt_pt_94> Great candidate
[12:15] <DiogoConstantino> tylnesh jaime tcarreira Christoph3 ?
[12:15] <Wild_Man> Please feel free to do so tylnesh
[12:15] <Christoph3> good morning to all, i would like to share my testimonial about Constantino
[12:16] <Kilos> hi Christoph3 go  ahead
[12:16] <tylnesh> Diogo is an amazing candidate for Ubuntu Membership and I was honestly surprised he wasn't a member already. He's been part of and organized several European Ubuntu events, and is very helpful even to the smallest of communities.
[12:17] <Wild_Man> Thank you tylnesh for your testimonial
[12:17] <tylnesh> He's been a great moral support and gave guidance in our effort to restore the Czech-slovakian Ubuntu community as well.
[12:18] <Kilos> great
[12:18] <Christoph3> he "Diogo Constantino" and the ubuntu-pt group has been great for me personally , learning things about linux everyday, his podcast teaches a lot about linux to newbies like myself specially in the times that we are now security is a must and thanks to Diogo ans his ubuntu-pt mates I learned a lot about how to protect my self and do things the
[12:18] <Christoph3> right way
[12:18] <Kilos> diddledan up to you
[12:19] <diddledan> thank you Christoph3 :-)
[12:20] <diddledan> ok, if we're all testimonied out I'll trigger the voting - wait for it...
[12:20] <diddledan> #vote Diogo's membership
[12:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: Diogo's membership
[12:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[12:20] <Kilos> +1
[12:20] <meetingology> +1 received from Kilos
[12:20] <diddledan> #voters diddledan kilos Wild_Man Bashing-om
[12:20] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Wild_Man, diddledan, kilos
[12:21] <Bashing-om> +1
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Bashing-om
[12:21] <diddledan> +1 definitely well-deserved
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 definitely well-deserved received from diddledan
[12:21] <diddledan> #action Wild_Man +1
[12:21] <meetingology> ACTION: Wild_Man +1
[12:21] <diddledan> #endvote
[12:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Diogo's membership
[12:21] <meetingology> Votes for: 3, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[12:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:21] <diddledan> 4**
[12:21] <diddledan> unanimous decision :-)
[12:22] <diddledan> welcome DiogoConstantino and congratulations!
[12:22] <DiogoConstantino> thank you all, specially to those friends that came here in support
[12:22] <Kilos> DiogoConstantino welcome aboard and well done. Keep up the good work
[12:22] <DiogoConstantino> many thanks
[12:22] <diddledan> with that, I'll close-out the meeting
[12:22] <diddledan> #endmeeting
[12:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 12:22:58 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-01-20-12.03.moin.txt
[12:23] <Kilos> thanks diddledan
[12:23] <Bashing-om> congrats DiogoConstantino :D I look forward to where you go with this as a step up.
[12:23] <DiogoConstantino> are there any new steps (bureacracy)?
[12:23] <diddledan> I'll be doing some admin to get you added, you don't need to do anything else :-)
[12:24] <DiogoConstantino> Bashing-om: Apply the the new LoCo  Research Committee is my next goal
[12:24] <diddledan> you can request your certificate at https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/ once I've added you to the team
[12:25] <Maik> diddledan: are those still handed out? I requested one since october and still didn't receive the certificate
[12:25] <DiogoConstantino> I still have a couple days to be nominated
[12:25] <diddledan> it takes a while
[12:27] <diddledan> see all the perks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#:~:text=The%20Perks.%201%20Voting%20privileges%20to%20confirm%20Ubuntu,dictator%20for%20life)%20Mark%20Shuttleworth.%20Example%20below:
[12:27] <Bashing-om> DiogoConstantino: "new LoCo  Research Committee" Outstanding - that will surely generate a big atta-boy :P
[12:27] <diddledan> err, better link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks
[23:02] <nhaines> Everyone here?
[23:02] <toddy> o/
[23:02] <toddy> but I am not everyone :)
[23:02] <nhaines> toddy: Great to see you!
[23:03] <nhaines> But there's more than just you, I hope.  :)
[23:03] <teward> i'm neck deep in CLI right now
[23:04] <teward> but still here
[23:04] <toddy> where is joe?
[23:04] <nhaines> I'm always pretty comfy on the command line.
[23:04] <jose> caribbean?
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> o/
[23:05] <nhaines> Yay!
[23:05] <nhaines> Okay, well, let's begin.
[23:05] <teward> *shoves jose into the rubbish box*
[23:05] <nhaines> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council Meeting
[23:05] <meetingology> Meeting started at 23:05:59 UTC.  The chair is nhaines.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[23:06] <nhaines> #chair Eickmeyer teward jose nhaines wxl toddy
[23:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer, jose, nhaines, teward, toddy, wxl
[23:06] <nhaines> Welcome everyone!
[23:06] <nhaines> There's no agenda for this meeting.  It occured to me about 45 minutes ago that maybe I should've put out a call for topics on the Ubuntu Community Hub.
[23:06] <nhaines> So that's something I promise to remember in the future!
[23:07] <nhaines> Fortunately, we still have stuff to talk about.
[23:07] <nhaines> #topic Old business
[23:07] <nhaines> #subtopic Local Communities Research Committee
[23:07] <toddy> I have send the call for nomination for the LCRC.
[23:07] <nhaines> The information is still here:
[23:07] <nhaines> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/local-communities-research-committee/20186
[23:07] <jose> I know we received at least a couple interested people
[23:07] <toddy> The nomination will close on Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 23:59 UTC
[23:07] <nhaines> Nominations are still open for another 3 days.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> Ok, then not much action we can do there.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> Just, after the nominations have closed, somoene needs to do the election.
[23:08] <toddy> Yes, I can do it
[23:08] <nhaines> Great!
[23:09] <jose> I will put out a blog post about it to get more traction
[23:09] <toddy> jose: good
[23:09] <nhaines> #action toddy will set up the LCRC election after the nomination period.
[23:09] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy will set up the LCRC election after the nomination period.
[23:09] <nhaines> #action jose will promote the LCRC nominations via blog post
[23:09] <meetingology> ACTION: jose will promote the LCRC nominations via blog post
[23:10] <nhaines> Do we want to extend the nomination period?
[23:10] <jose> a couple more weeks, I'd say
[23:10] <nhaines> Okay.  That sounds smart, since we'll be focusing more attention on it.
[23:11] <nhaines> How's February 6th sound?  That's 14 more days.
[23:11] <jose> +1
[23:11] <toddy> yes, we can do it like this
[23:12] <nhaines> I don't feel like this is a controversial change, and of course the LCRC is very important.  We'll increase the nomination period by two weeks.
[23:12] <nhaines> #action LCRC nomination period will be extended to February 6, 2021 23:59 UTC.
[23:12] <meetingology> ACTION: LCRC nomination period will be extended to February 6, 2021 23:59 UTC.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> +1
[23:13] <nhaines> Does someone want to hunt down the Discourse posts and update everything?
[23:13] <toddy> yes, I can do it
[23:13] <nhaines> We'll need another email, too.
[23:14] <nhaines> toddy: You're the best.  :)
[23:14] <wxl> oops sorry
[23:14] <toddy> hello wxl
[23:14] <nhaines> #action toddy will update LCRC announcements with the new date.
[23:14] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy will update LCRC announcements with the new date.
[23:14] <nhaines> wxl: Glad you made it!
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> *suddenly a wild wxl appears*
[23:14] <teward> *summons wxl, then discards them in the rubbish bin*
[23:15] <teward> :P
[23:15] <nhaines> Okay, so I think that's everything for the LCRC.
[23:15] <nhaines> #subtopic Board/Council elections
[23:15] <nhaines> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/communitycouncil/+bug/1903346
[23:16] <jose> how are we doing re that
[23:16] <nhaines> wxl: Looks like you've gotten the Lubuntu team sorted out!  :)
[23:16] <teward> been a little swamped the past two weeks with $MajorProject that got put in my lap at $PayingJob
[23:16] <teward> so keep that on the radar
[23:16] <wxl> well i mean i'm on the lubuntu council and one of the biggest contributors, so yeah, we're on it XD
[23:16] <teward> nhaines: see above  (carry over the task)
[23:17] <nhaines> wxl: All the better thatn you're on top of things, then. :)
[23:17] <wxl> we just discussed the fact that we've got an election to get started on soonish
[23:17] <nhaines> teward: Are you comfortable with the task or would you like help?
[23:17] <teward> Help welcome for the other councils.  But I can speak for DMB, because that was restaffed very recently (and I'm on it)
[23:18] <teward> and of course wxl is Lubuntu Council so
[23:18] <wxl> just making sure you got it in all the noise :)
[23:18] <wxl> oops
[23:18] <teward> nhaines: we can remove the assign to me, but we can make notes DNB was delegated to me, and Lubuntu delegated to wxl for handling
[23:19] <teward> because wxl is on Lubuntu Council heh
[23:19] <nhaines> Ha, sounds good.
[23:19] <teward> beb I said "recently" for DMB but...
[23:19] <wxl> i know the kubuntu folks, too, so i could check in with them if need be
[23:19] <teward> 2020-02-25 is when I was on it, as was rafaeldtinoco
[23:19] <teward> we expire 2022-05-11
[23:19] <teward> so we're *really* good there
[23:20] <teward> for DMB
[23:20] <wxl> kubuntu and lubuntu both have a pretty solid core so i doubt we're going to see tons of changes
[23:20] <nhaines> That both sounds like good news.
[23:20] <jose> are we missing any other than that?
[23:20] <nhaines> Okay, let's see where this is by next meeting.
[23:21] <wxl> the two i know nothing about are irc and forums
[23:21] <teward> jose: irc and forums are the only other two
[23:21] <jose> and how are we with those for expiration dates
[23:22] <teward> irc council, has several different expiry dataes, all this year though
[23:22] <nhaines> I can ask Flannel about the IRC Council.
[23:22] <wxl> kubuntu council is good until august. they have always been very consistent. i doubt we should worry there.
[23:22] <teward> with the exception of ~mellissa who expires 2021-11-29, the others expire 2021-05-31
[23:22] <teward> ... except for rww who is Owner
[23:22] <teward> and never expires
[23:22] <teward> er, well approved
[23:22] <nhaines> I can ask him, too.
[23:22] <teward> never expires thoug h
[23:23] <nhaines> Okay.
[23:23] <jose> we should check with dax
[23:23] <teward> nhaines: check with Unit193 and hggdh they're current admins on the team
[23:23] <teward> also dax (aka rww)
[23:23] <jose> Unit193 is unavailable this week
[23:23] <nhaines> #action nhaines will check in with the IRC Council for the current status.
[23:23] <meetingology> ACTION: nhaines will check in with the IRC Council for the current status.
[23:24] <nhaines> All right.  That's it for old business.
[23:24] <nhaines> #topic New business
[23:25] <nhaines> There's no agenda for this meeting.  Is there any business to consider this meeting?
[23:25] <wxl> nothing that i have
[23:25] <toddy> I have nothing for new business, I think
[23:26] <teward> yep nothing here either
[23:26] <nhaines> Okay, well, as the year progresses things will get more exciting.  :)
[23:26] <jose> not for now
[23:26] <jose> but I'll get some more stuff soon
[23:27] <nhaines> I have no doubt.
[23:27] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[23:27] <nhaines> #info The next meeting of the Ubuntu Community Council is on Wednesday 2021-02-03 23:00 UTC
[23:27] <wxl> i think once we get the lc kind of sorted we can maybe start working on putting together some fresh ideas
[23:27] <nhaines> I agree
[23:28] <nhaines> That will be exciting, too.
[23:28] <nhaines> Okay, so who's chairing the next meeting?  :)
[23:28] <wxl> not it ;)
[23:28] <teward> not me
[23:29] <nhaines> jose: What about you?
[23:29] <jose> can't, sorry
[23:29] <toddy> nhaines: maybe joe?
[23:29] <nhaines> Now we're narrowing it down!
[23:29] <jose> I'm a bit busy with work atm
[23:29] <teward> lol
[23:30] <nhaines> teward: You look like a convenient victim!
[23:30] <teward> already said not me
[23:30] <teward> same busy status right now
[23:30] <teward> with this huge project dropped on me
[23:30] <nhaines> Okay, maybe we'll have to draw lots.
[23:31] <teward> you can do it :P
[23:31] <wxl> ohhhh doesn't meetingology roll dice?
[23:31] <teward> again
[23:31] <toddy> nhaines: I can do it
[23:31] <nhaines> I'll do it unless I can pawn it off on someone else before then!
[23:31] <teward> it can yes
[23:31] <jose> #dice 6
[23:31] <nhaines> toddy: Would you mind?
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Shoot, sorry I jumped out for a sec everyone.
[23:31] <jose> #roll 6
[23:31] <jose> we haven't asked Eickmeyer yet :)
[23:31] <wxl> it's eickmeyer then!
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I can't either.
[23:31] <nhaines> So close!
[23:32] <toddy> nhaines: so I do it.
[23:32] <nhaines> toddy: Thank you very much.
[23:32] <nhaines> #action toddy chairs the next meeting.
[23:32] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy chairs the next meeting.
[23:32] <wxl> thanks toddy!
[23:32] <wxl> i'll do the nexct one
[23:33] <nhaines> We have a head start on next meeting then!  \o/
[23:33] <nhaines> Okay, we'll see everyone back here on February 3rd, then.
[23:33] <wxl> maybe we should just start working into a regular rotation
[23:33] <nhaines> Probably.
[23:33] <nhaines> But that sounds like a problem for future us.
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> Lots of stuff going on at work, otherwise I would. :(
[23:33] <nhaines> Eickmeyer: it happens, that's fine.
[23:34] <wxl> ok scratch that then
[23:34] <jose> we'll get there, eventually.
[23:34] <jose> anyways
[23:34] <jose> anythig else?
[23:34] <nhaines> Okay, well we have the next two meetings set up, and then we'll figure it out.
[23:34] <nhaines> Last call for business!
[23:34] <wxl> nope let's call it
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> I've got nothing.
[23:35] <nhaines> Okay, everyone enjoy the last of their January!
[23:35] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[23:36] <wxl> be well ya'll and thanks
[23:37] <toddy> nhaines: thanks for chairing
[23:37] <nhaines> toddy: You're welcome.  Thanks for chairing next time.
[23:37] <toddy> :)


[12:28] <DBO> actually i was just saying you wont get quick answers here, probably wont get any =)
[12:47] <ubotu> magnetron called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:49] <nixternal> haha, there are people in #ubuntu with like their Yahoo perverted chatting names
[12:50] <gnomefreak> nalioth: you about?
[12:50] <nalioth> gnomefreak: usually
[12:50] <gnomefreak> can you please kline a bot for me
[12:51] <gnomefreak> its BFTD's bot im tired of banning it
[12:51] <gnomefreak> he keeps changing hostmasks
[12:51] <gnomefreak> now i banned him/her
[12:51] <PriceChild> nixternal: sexy_dave?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> BFTD: you and your bot are not banned from #xubuntu-offtopic'
[12:52] <nixternal> PriceChild: ya
[12:52] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:52] <gnomefreak> im tired of banning it
[12:52] <BFTD> well
[12:52] <BFTD> I got permission
[12:52] <PriceChild> nixternal: he's been around a few days :)
[12:53] <nixternal> to funny
[12:53] <gnomefreak> maxamillion: was supposed to relay it to you. but he failed to do so. the bot was removed/banned with note no bots in here
[12:53] <gnomefreak> BFTD: no bots in any official channels.
[12:53] <BFTD> oh ok
[12:54] <BFTD> well then I'll remove it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[12:54] <nalioth> which bot?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> boten...
[12:55] <gnomefreak> boten-tommi
[12:55] <nalioth> is it being taken care of now?
[12:55] <maxamillion> BFTD: i appologize, i didn't catch you online yesterday
[12:55] <gnomefreak> no need to ban it
[12:55] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yes.
[12:55] <maxamillion> i take full responsibility
[12:55] <BFTD> haha
[12:55] <BFTD> that's ok
[12:55] <gnomefreak> BFTD: the bot responces are agianst COC
[12:55] <nalioth> so i should kline maxamillion, instead?
[12:55] <maxamillion> i was unaware of no bots and i gave permission as long as it didn't cause complaints
[12:55] <BFTD> gnomefreak yeah I'm working on that part still
[12:56] <gnomefreak> BFTD: but we dont allow non official bots in official channels for many reasons. i know you werent around so im not blaming you and me and maxamillion already talked about this
[12:56] <maxamillion> nalioth: if you feel the need to, then so be it but it really was an honest mistake and i am just trying to make it clear that it wasn't BFTD's fault and that he didn't break any rules ... it was my false judgment because i was just unaware of the no-bots (-offtopic or otherwise) rule
[12:57] <PriceChild> Its been nice knowing you maxamillion...
[12:57] <maxamillion> PriceChild: laters
[12:57] <BFTD> wait...does this mean i have to remove it from #ubuntu-california?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> maxamillion: are you an op?
[12:58] <maxamillion> BFTD: yes
[12:58] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: yes
[12:58] <gnomefreak> who mad eyou op?
[12:58] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: in #xubuntu -devel and -offtopic
[12:58] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: seveas did
[12:58] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: looong time ago ... like almost a year ago
[12:58] <BFTD> then can we get ubotu in there?
[12:58] <PriceChild> gnomefreak: Hehe you could have phrased that better... ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> BFTD: as far as i know all #ubuntu-* are official but nalioth or Seveas would know that channel more than me
[12:59] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: :)
[12:59] <nalioth> how was the bot getting a different hostmask?
[12:59] <maxamillion> nalioth: on a server?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess dynmic
[12:59] <BFTD> gnomefreak how many times did you ban the bot? :P
[12:59] <gnomefreak> 3 or 4
[12:59] <TheSheep> the phrase "who died and made you an op" somehow ironically fits to us
[12:59] <gnomefreak> it auto rejoins
[01:00] <BFTD> the log here says it was kick several times
[01:00] <BFTD> haha
[01:00] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah, well ... we do op #xubuntu ... the reject *buntu of the world
[01:00] <gnomefreak> auto-rejoin is bad
[01:00] <BFTD> actually the IP changes so it's only banned for a short time
[01:01] <nalioth> BFTD: you on dialup or something?
[01:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !openarena is a clone of Quake III arena, using the ID software released source code and textures, maps, and metaservers provided by the openarena team. It is available in the Universe repository.
[01:01] <BFTD> nalioth yeah
[01:02] <jdong> heh root's back in -devel :D
[01:03] <BFTD> so I should talk to Seveas to get a bot in #ubuntu-califonira?
[01:03] <nalioth> BFTD: Seveas will see the scrollback
[01:04] <BFTD> ah ok
[01:04] <gnomefreak> BFTD: thank you for removing it
[01:04] <BFTD> no problem
[01:04] <BFTD> it was just so much fun
[01:04] <BFTD> :'(
[01:05] <gnomefreak> ok dinner than packing later guys/gals
[01:07] <maxamillion> i really didn't know that it wasn't ok in -offtopic and just said as long as it didn't cause complaints it could stay .... but now i know and it won't happen again
[01:12] <BFTD> maxamillion don't feel bad
[01:13] <maxamillion> :)
[01:14] <jdong> heh I'm just a bystander to all of this, but it sounds pretty blown out of proportion....
[01:14] <BFTD> eh
[01:14] <BFTD> now i Need to find another channel to put it in, those were the only 2 that were worth keeping it on for
[01:15] <BFTD> jdong how so?
[01:15] <TheSheep> jdong: as usual
[01:15] <TheSheep> well, let's get back to business
[01:15] <TheSheep> no reason blowing it even more
[01:15] <jdong> it sounds like something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 lines... not 2 pages and threats of klines, etc....
[01:16] <jdong> but anyway
[01:16] <jdong> not my business to be editorializing
[01:16] <PriceChild> BFTD: you don't try to find channels needing your bot, you make a bot if its needed in a channel
[01:17] <BFTD> PriceChild I know, I had it for #ubuntu-california
[01:17] <maxamillion> BFTD: put it in #unofficial
[01:18] <BFTD> maxamillion haha "bot attack?"
[01:18] <maxamillion> ;)
[01:18] <BFTD> danit, now i have to go ALL the way back down stairs, and turn the bot back on
[01:19] <maxamillion> BFTD: lol
[01:20] <Pumpernickel> Just curious, is there an official reaction re: people posting the cracked HD DVD key in ubuntu channels?
[01:20] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: kline imho
[01:20] <mc44> ...?!
[01:20] <maxamillion> i don't think that's really CoC compliant
[01:21] <mc44> well, its in the topic of offtopic atm :s
[01:21] <jdong> Pumpernickel: so far I've not been caring about it in #ubuntuforums
[01:21] <PriceChild> Pumpernickel: We're removing all instances on the forums because we don't want to be sued... But with it in blog posts on planet its a grey area... everywhere else.
[01:21] <jdong> Pumpernickel: unless your channel logs are hosted in the USA, etc
[01:22] <mc44> maxamillion: unless you are in the US it is unlikely to be anywhere near illegal
[01:22] <PriceChild> Pumpernickel: I'd guess whoever's "in charge" makes the call. So anyone from the irc council wanting to make a policy lol?
[01:22] <jdong> the forums has sections of its servers in the USA
[01:22] <Pumpernickel> They'll be hosted in the ubotu tracker, at least.
[01:22] <maxamillion> mc44: really?
[01:22] <Pumpernickel> I'm not sure where that is.
[01:22] <maxamillion> mc44: i was unaware
[01:22] <Tm_T> just kick, IMO that stuff doesn't belong to ubuntu channels
[01:22] <jdong> maxamillion: most likely, true
[01:22] <mc44> maxamillion: the DMCA is not an international law...
[01:23] <jdong> Tm_T: I don't see the problem of it in the offtopic type channels, when not much but idle chatter is going on...
[01:23] <Tm_T> (and it's already too old joke)
[01:23] <PriceChild> mc44: but a lot of freenode is in america?
[01:23] <Tm_T> jdong: hmm, maybe yes
[01:23] <PriceChild> mc44: and what about where !logs are stored?
[01:23] <Tm_T> anyway sleep for me! ->
[01:23] <mc44> PriceChild: it is a legal grey area to be sure :)
[01:24] <PriceChild> mc44: hehe yeah as i said earlier, council decision imo :P
[01:24] <mc44> PriceChild: until freenode receives a takedown notice, they have safe harbour protection :p
[01:24] <mc44> same goes for the logs
[01:24] <jdong> logs are people.u.c, right?
[01:24] <PriceChild> yeah
[01:24] <jdong> which is probably safe harbor
[01:24] <mc44> yep
[01:24] <mc44> also, not in the US
[01:24] <jdong> right
[01:25] <mc44> (IANAL!!!!!)
[01:26] <jdong> lol, that's a given
[01:26] <jdong> people should say IAAL instead :D
[03:26] <poningru> bwhahahahahahhahahahahahha
[03:27] <poningru> I almost squirted milk through my nose there
[03:30] <jrib> oh no it's in my logs now
[03:33] <poningru> I'm in your logz violating the DMCA
[03:33] <poningru> jrib: you dont happen to live or visit the US do you?
[03:34] <jrib> poningru: sometimes
[03:34] <poningru> oh pwnt
[03:34] <poningru> the men in suits are coming for you
[03:39] <poningru> jrib: hehe
[03:39] <poningru> no worries I think half the people here are in the US
[03:39] <poningru> and would probably get pwnd before you
[03:53] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: baddevice is If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[04:10] <stdin> anyone feel like keeping an eye on #kubuntu, it's getting a bit out of hand
[04:18] <mneptok> anyone have gparted installed?
[04:19] <mneptok> if so, invoke it from a terminal without sudo
[04:20] <mneptok> stdin: sorry, i have no +o in #kubuntu
[04:21] <stdin> it's ok now, calmed down in there
[04:23] <stdin> mneptok: no output on terminal afterr invoking gpartrd
[04:34] <gouki> Guys, just to let you know that I'll be testing the UbuntuStats bot, so expect quite a few joins and parts from ubuntu and derivative channels.
[04:36] <mneptok> stdin: you should get an interesting GUI dialog about needing root
[04:37] <stdin> mneptok: yeah http://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ig7.png
[04:37] <mneptok> stdin: that's the one :)
[04:42] <mneptok> [mneptok@set]  mneptok :: sudo ntpdate banba 2 May 22:42:28 ntpdate[18572] : adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 0.005975 sec
[04:42] <mneptok> 'bout damned time
[05:24] <poningru> can someone play this?
[05:24] <poningru> rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/media/avdb/news/science_nature/video/92000/nb/92383_16x9_nb.rm
[05:24] <poningru> http://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/media/avdb/news/science_nature/video/92000/nb/92383_16x9_nb.rm
[05:24] <poningru> err
[05:25] <poningru> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/science_nature/video/92000/nb/92383_16x9_nb.ram
[05:40] <stdin> poningru: plays here, in ff+mplayer-plugin
[05:41] <poningru> grr
[05:41] <poningru> mplayer outside didnt play it
[05:42] <stdin> opens with "mplayer rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/media/avdb/news/science_nature/video/92000/nb/92383_16x9_nb.rm" too
[06:21] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago called the ops in #kubuntu
[06:21] <ubotu> blaker2 called the ops in #kubuntu
[06:30] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:31] <Madpilot> dealt with.
[06:54] <ubotu> kenthomson called the ops in #ubuntu-effects
[06:58] <kenthomson> HELP
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:58] <kenthomson> I have been banned from ubuntu for calling someone a IDIOT (in capitals), since yesterday night.  I think yours just got extended.
[07:00] <kenthomson> But i was really stressed out and all (was troubleshooting since 48 hours with very little sleep)
[07:00] <kenthomson> , and he was preventing me from getting help from other sources
[07:01] <Burgundavia> there is no excuse
[07:01] <kenthomson> ok, thanks!
[07:02] <Burgundavia> we love people helping, but please remember the CoC
[07:02] <kenthomson> *we love helping people*
[07:03] <kenthomson> And what if he goes on putting comments in my talk intended to distract anyone who helps me? And irritate me?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> if you having an issue with somebody else, raise it here
[07:03] <kenthomson> Thank you for the moral policing, bunch of jokers :-(
[07:04] <Burgundavia> wow, that was fun
[07:05] <Madpilot> I've seen that nick around #ubuntu & -offtopic a fair bit, he/she should have the rules figured out by now...
[07:05] <Burgundavia> so have I
[08:24] <Myrtti> Seveas: should locoteamchannels be involved in IRC council?
[08:26] <Myrtti> or should a loco IRC team be spawned out of both loco teams and irc team?
[08:27] <sivaji> LjL:
[08:27] <Myrtti> learn how to use /names
[08:28] <Myrtti> and learn how to use /whois
[08:28] <Myrtti> please
[08:28] <Myrtti> both would tell you that he's not here
[08:29] <Myrtti> and no, we don't know when he'll be here
[08:29] <Myrtti> and no, nobody else is going to take your ban off than him.
[08:29] <Myrtti> to put it out bluntly
[08:30] <sivaji> they cant unban are they are not suppose to unban
[08:30] <Myrtti> please rephrase
[08:30] <Myrtti> I can't fully understand what you're trying to say
[08:31] <sivaji> other op cant unban me ? or other op not suppose to unban me ?
[08:32] <Myrtti> other ops could technically unban you, but since most of them aren't familiar with your case, they probably wont.
[08:33] <sivaji> ok Myrtti  i got five partition when i use xp i can browse all partition but when i use kubuntu i can browse only one partition why ?
[08:33] <Myrtti> this is not the support channel
[08:34] <sivaji> i am banned from three channel at a time that is why i am asking u ...
[08:36] <sivaji> Myrtti say something
[08:37] <Myrtti> BOO!
[08:37] <jussi01> lol
[08:37] <Myrtti> /me shrugs
[08:38] <sivaji> Myrtti what happen
[08:38] <sivaji> !shrugs
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shrugs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <Madpilot> sivaji, last warning: this is not a support channel. You're welcome to wait for LjL, but please stop irritating the rest of us.
[08:39] <Myrtti> besides, you can use /notify
[08:39] <sivaji> ok
[08:40] <Myrtti> wth
[08:50] <mneptok> that's 3 nights running, as i remember
[08:53] <Madpilot> what's ljl's real-world location/timezone, anyway? Anyone know?
[08:53] <sivaji> !pastebin
[08:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:53] <mneptok> he lives inside all of us.
[08:54] <mneptok> but he's trying to get out.
[08:54] <mneptok> i can feel him clawing at me. from the inside.
[08:55] <mneptok> CAN YOU SIVAJI?!
[08:55] <jussi01> lol
[08:55] <mneptok> oh, sorry. <capslock>
[08:57] <mneptok> an clicketi en pagena vara topocolo Internetsi
[08:58] <mneptok> sivaji: quonque canalitsi IRC modo bannudits?
[09:00] <mneptok> from the inside.
[09:00] <mneptok> bawk bawk
[09:00] <sivaji> mneptok i cant get u
[09:00] <mneptok> me neither
[09:00] <mneptok> let's go ride bikes!
[09:01] <Madpilot> mneptok, what exactly do they put in the air where you work, anyway?
[09:01] <Madpilot> or do you just spike your coffee with something interesting?
[09:02] <mneptok> Madpilot: aerotsi formulare te kamikulare aromatsi ut tranquilut
[09:03] <Burgundavia> hey mneptok
[09:03] <mneptok> Burgundavia: salut!
[10:31] <Myrtti> I might be hollering ops soon at xubuntu
[10:37] <gnomefreak> xubuntu?
[10:38] <Myrtti> don't bother
[10:38] <nalioth> Myrtti has it under control
[10:38] <gnomefreak> there was no activity from what i can tell
[10:38] <Myrtti> he's being nice
[10:38] <Myrtti> hmmm?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> 01:46 -!- BFTD [n=thomas@unaffiliated/bftd]  has quit ["Leaving"
[10:38] <gnomefreak> thats last i see :(
[10:39] <Myrtti> have I been dropped to unregistered...
[10:40] <nalioth> Myrtti: ?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> i just cycled #xubuntu
[10:40] <Myrtti>  [26:#xubuntu<+cfnt #xubuntu-unregged>]
[10:40] <gnomefreak> never seen them
[10:41] <nalioth> Myrtti: when #xubuntu is +r the unwashed go to #ubuntu-unregged
[10:44] <Myrtti> ddos botnet...?
[10:45] <Myrtti> should I start worrying?
[10:45] <gnomefreak> sadly it has no modes set
[10:49] <gnomefreak> oops i cycled #xubuntu-offtopic :(
[11:10] <Tm_T> =)
[11:11] <Tm_T> OOPS!
[03:43] <Tm_T> !wlan
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Tm_T> !wifi
[03:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:43] <Tm_T> interesting
[03:51] <sivaji> LjL:
[03:57] <jussi01> nnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo
[03:57] <Tm_T> ?
[03:58] <jussi01> LjL is not here....
[03:59] <Tm_T> and?
[04:00] <Tm_T> sivaji: hi honey
[04:01] <sivaji> Tm_T :op in this channel dont like me to talk here
[04:01] <Tm_T> and?
[04:02] <Pici> and?
[04:18] <Pumpernickel> xor?
[04:22] <gnomefreak> .win 5
[04:22] <mc44> sivaji: Look!
[04:22] <jussi01> hehe
[04:23] <sivaji> LjL: unban
[04:23] <LjL> sounds like a command
[04:23] <Jucato> was that a demand? :D
[04:23] <sivaji> no
[04:23] <sivaji> request
[04:24] <Jucato> LjL: he has been waiting for you for days...  :P
[04:50] <LjL> hide.
[04:50] <sivaji> flooding the channel with same messaage is abuse
[04:50] <LjL> sivaji: and he was kicked indeed
[04:50] <Amaranth> I found my passport!
[04:50] <LjL> sivaji: i'm happy you've got to learning some of the rules, though
[04:51] <Amaranth> guys i have to leave in 4 hours for UDS and i haven't packed or slept
[04:51] <sivaji> so u can unban me how
[04:51] <Amaranth> well, i'm spending the night in omaha and flying tomorrow
[04:51] <LjL> sivaji: "some" doesn't mean "all".
[04:51] <PriceChild> Amaranth: its exciting isn't it :)
[04:51] <Amaranth> but still, haven't packed or slept
[04:51] <mc44> PriceChild: not you too? gah :P
[04:51] <PriceChild> mc44: hehe oh yes :D
[04:51] <Amaranth> PriceChild: when do you get there?
[04:51] <LjL> look sivaji, what about i unban you, and later if you break one SINGLE rule even SLIGHTLY, you're banned with no appeal and never once come here again complaining... do we have a deal?
[04:51] <Amaranth> Trying to find someone to share a cab with :)
[04:51] <Myrtti> HAHAH hahaha
[04:51] <Myrtti> hoho
[04:51] <Myrtti> sorry
[04:52] <PriceChild> Amaranth: i arrive about 9pm in malaga and train it to sevilla.
[04:52] <Amaranth> PriceChild: eww
[04:52] <sivaji> i agree
[04:52] <PriceChild> Amaranth: tell me about it..
[04:52] <mc44> LjL: best. deal. ever
[04:52] <Amaranth> I land in Seville at 1355
[04:52] <Amaranth> no, 1255
[04:52] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[04:53] <LjL> eeeek netsplit wiped bans' authors
[04:53] <PriceChild> bantracker ftw
[04:53] <LjL> i hate when that happens
[04:53] <gnomefreak> hes 122...
[04:53] <Myrtti> oh wow, entertainment
[04:54] <gnomefreak> @<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:54] <LjL> gnomefreak: i'd banned the rn, the ident and a few other things :)
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ah damn
[04:54] <gnomefreak> LjL: you know its not gonna last
[04:54] <LjL> gnomefreak: of course i do
[04:56] <sivaji> ubuntu+1 is not yet unbanned
[04:56] <LjL> sorry sir, i'll fix that in no time
[04:56] <gnomefreak> damn soap is over for now. later everyone
[04:57] <gnomefreak> oops wrong channel
[04:58] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a few days
[05:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:44] <Tm_T> I wonder how I could use two cloaks effectively
[05:44] <nalioth> to sleep better?
[05:44] <Pici> that was horrible
[05:44] <Tm_T> nalioth: come again?
[05:46] <nalioth> Tm_T: if you cover yourself with two cloaks, there is less light and more warmth.  good for sleeping
[05:47] <Tm_T> aah, true
[05:47] <Tm_T> no, FALSE!
[05:47] <Pici> 0
[05:47] <Tm_T> try sleep 27'C with one cloak, it's too hot
[05:48] <nalioth> silk cloaks
[05:48] <Tm_T> uuh
[05:48] <nalioth> don't be cheap
[05:49] <Tm_T> nalioth: for you I won't
[05:49] <mc44> aww
[06:04] <livingdaylight> hi
[06:04] <livingdaylight> can someone test me?
[06:04] <livingdaylight> can someone test my port?
[06:06] <livingdaylight> anyone here?
[06:06] <livingdaylight> i can't log into #ubuntu
[06:06] <livingdaylight> can someone test my port?
[06:07] <jrib> livingdaylight: sure, join me in #jrib
[06:07] <livingdaylight> join #jrib
[06:12] <jrib> livingdaylight: ok, you're all set.  Thank you for your patience
[06:12] <livingdaylight> jrib, thank you
[06:25] <Myrtti> I wish sivaji isn't coming back tomorrow
[06:26] <LjL> Myrtti: he's coming back to #ubuntu, i unbanned him...
[06:27] <Myrtti> well good thing I'm not there :-D
[06:28] <LjL> Myrtti: anyway the deal's that the first even so slight misbehavior, he's banned from everywhere with no appeal.
[06:28] <LjL> so let's see if i can win a bet.
[06:29] <Myrtti> /me cracs open the popcorn package
[06:38] <jrib> LjL: are you busy?
[06:38] <Myrtti> ok, someone tried the dcc exploit at #ubuntu
[06:38] <jrib> he was k-lined, but LjL is a master of kicking people into -read-topic
[06:39] <nalioth> jrib: why the ops?
[06:39] <Myrtti> I had ignored the bull
[06:39] <jrib> nalioth: because I was going to start kicking people into -read-topic and then I remembered that I would have to type out myself
[06:39] <nalioth> jrib: do like i did
[06:40] <LjL> eeek, master
[06:40] <LjL> i just used the wrong alias. twice.
[06:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !baddevice is If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:59] <LjL> hm, didn't we have some factoid like that already?
[06:59] <Tm_T> no idea
[06:59] <LjL> yeah
[06:59] <LjL> !baddevice
[06:59] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[07:00] <LjL> but i guess the "safely ignore" addition won't hurt
[07:00] <PriceChild> argh i see livingdaylight had to come in to get tested... least he didn't kick up a fuss this time.
[07:00] <LjL> !no baddevice is <reply> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[07:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[07:00] <LjL> PriceChild: yes i was scared too
[07:01] <stdin> wooh :p
[07:02] <GazzaK> I wasn't
[07:07] <Myrtti> I wish I could have a blinking notification of clueless people joining into channels in my status window so I'd know there's some chances of free entertainment
[07:07] <Myrtti> yes, I'm bored and I hate evolution2.10 with a passion
[07:09] <TheSheep> Myrtti: just join ##windows ;)
[07:13] <Myrtti> I don't like trolls that much
[07:14] <GazzaK> thats a great channel :p
[07:18] <nalioth> no trolls in ##windows, Myrtti (no more than in #ubuntu)
[07:18] <LjL> so "no trolls"? hm.
[07:33] <GazzaK> eeek, /me hides from nalioth
[07:33] <nalioth> GazzaK: ?
[07:34] <GazzaK> just noticed you in zee windaz channel
[07:35] <nalioth> GazzaK: and?
[07:35] <mc44> and he decided not to troll :)
[07:35] <nalioth> i'm on the ##windows access list, too (have been for a long long time)
[07:36] <Myrtti> mmmm garlic
[07:36] <GazzaK> nalioth, I was in there waiting for a troll
[07:36] <GazzaK> and nothing, honest
[07:46] <gouki> Guys, what's the syntax to ignore all privates on IRSSI?
[07:47] <Myrtti> /ignore * PRIVMSGS
[07:47] <Myrtti> or smth
[07:47] <Myrtti> /help levels
[07:47] <gouki> Thanks Myrtti
[07:50] <PriceChild> gouki: whoa ubuntustats is back :)
[07:51] <GazzaK> who is UbuntuStats then?
[07:51] <gouki> PriceChild, hehe. Yeah ... Just for some tests, though. I'm waiting for answers from the LoCo Team Leaders (to create statistics for their channels).
[07:51] <gouki> This way I get to start capturing logs for all channels at the same time.
[07:52] <gouki> GazzaK, it's a bot to collect logs. Then those logs are parsed to HTML statistics pages.
[07:52] <GazzaK> wooo magic
[07:52] <GazzaK> we will end up having more bots than users :p
[07:55] <gouki> Hehe. I had to use my own, because IRSSISTATS is pretty strict on how it works.
[08:35] <beuno> gouki: I want it in #ubuntu-ar  :D
[08:36] <Myrtti> !enter
[08:36] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:36] <Tm_T>
[08:36] <Tm_T>
[08:37] <Myrtti> had to throw that at #ubuntu
[08:37] <Myrtti> I must be insane to have joined the channel again
[08:38] <Tm_T> =)
[08:38] <Tm_T> I have been there once, can't remember who I was assisting to get there back then
[08:44] <erikja> Can somebody test my irc port ?
[08:44] <nalioth> erikja: join #moderation please
[08:44] <erikja> thanks!
[08:45] <nalioth> tsk tsk
[08:46] <Tm_T> =)
[08:51] <Tm_T> !coc
[08:51] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:08] <Myrtti> I hope I'm not misleading the poor fella with my answers
[11:24] <danlock2> okay....do i really need to be tested to be in the ubuntu chan? this is dumb.
[11:25] <nalioth> danlock2: please join #moderation
[11:25] <nalioth> um, yes.
[11:34] <danlock2> nanolith
[11:35] <danlock2> nalioth*
[11:40] <danlock2> k i'll update my firmware
[11:41] <ompaul> you can change your port
[11:41] <ompaul> and that works also
[11:42] <danlock2> yeah, client = chatzilla
[11:43] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:46] <ompaul> danlock2, I don't know how to tell it to change ports - I can look it up if you want - but you need when talking with people on irc to say their names - I am in so many channels it is the only way I can keep up with the conversations I am involved in
[11:46] <danlock2> ompaul, i know, i was just typing quick, i typically do.
[11:46] <PriceChild> danlock2: you can definitely change it in the preferences.
[11:47] <danlock2> PriceChild, oh rly?
[11:48] <danlock2> where?
[11:48] <PriceChild> I guess I'll install it and look then...
[11:49] <danlock2> PriceChild: I can't find it anywhere, i thought it was odd.
[11:50] <danlock2> i'm gonna try to update my firmware quick.
[11:51] <PriceChild> *groan*
[11:51] <danlock2> what?
[11:51] <danlock2> lol
[11:51] <PriceChild> "/server irc.freenode.net 8001" works fine
[11:52] <PriceChild> i just got diconnected for foolishness :)
[11:52] <danlock2> pricechild okay, i'm gonna update my firmware since i should keep it up to date anyways
[12:06] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:09] <b_9> the channel said I had to upgrade my router.  I've done that now.  Can you tell if I'm still vulnerable?
[12:10] <PriceChild> b_9: please join #b_9
[12:10] <b_9> ok
[12:12] <PriceChild> :(
[12:12] <PriceChild> b_9: please connect to freenode on port 8001
[12:12] <PriceChild> The router upgrade didn't fix it
[12:12] <b_9> thanks, PriceChild
[12:13] <b_9> ok I will figure out how to do that!
[12:15] <b_9> PriceChild: will you test me now?
[12:15] <PriceChild> ok
[12:15] <b_9> should I connect to every one on port 8001?
[12:15] <PriceChild> please rejoin #b_9
[12:16] <PriceChild> Nope you're all fixed b_9 :)
[12:17] <b_9> thanks
[12:17] <PriceChild> one minute while i remove the ban...
[12:17] <b_9> thanks PriceChild
[12:19] <nalioth> did danlock get sorted?
[12:19] <PriceChild> No
[12:19] <ompaul> right people I am off night
[12:19] <b_9> night ompaul
[12:19] <mc44> night
[12:19] <PriceChild> nalioth: i'm having troubles removing this ban in irssi... "Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while" Could you help?
[12:19] <nalioth> PriceChild: which ban?
[12:20] <PriceChild> b_9's
[12:20] <b_9> had vulnerable router
[12:20] <jrib> PriceChild: that's a known bug (no fix that I know of).  But you should be able to use /mode -b blah
[12:20] <PriceChild> ok
[12:20] <PriceChild> Think that did it. b_9 you should be able to rejoin :)
[12:20] <b_9> am I good PriceChild
[12:20] <b_9> thanks PriceChild and nalioth
[12:21] <PriceChild> b_9: are you in there? i didn't see you join...
[12:21] <b_9> no it won't let me in
[12:21] <b_9> typing "/join #ubuntu"
[12:22] <PriceChild> b_9: try again now
[12:22] <PriceChild> Sorry about this b_9, i'm just getting used to irssi :)
[12:22] <b_9> that seemed to work
[12:22] <b_9> thanks
[12:22] <PriceChild> wahey worked :)
[12:22] <b_9> no problem
[12:22] <PriceChild> Thanks for your patience
[12:22] <b_9> thanks for pointing out the vulnerability
[12:22] <b_9> am I still vulnerable to other things?
[12:23] <b_9> the firmware fixed some ssh stuff, too!
[12:23] <PriceChild> Not that we know of.
[12:23] <PriceChild> Thanks jrib
[12:24] <b_9> ok thanks bye
[12:24] <jrib> PriceChild: that bug is really annoying


[18:10] <S-I> Hello
[18:10] <EgyParadox> hELLO
[18:10] <S-I> What is going on in egypt?
[18:10] <EgyParadox> Hello*
[18:10] <S-I> Im completely shocked by these images
[18:30] <ashams> S-I, it's normal thing these days
[18:51] <S-I> very sad time


[05:15] <gry> daoneunv, disrupting @ #ubuntu
[05:16] <gry> trying to /msg, not sure if that helps
[05:17] <gry> (probably yes)
[08:44] <ikonia> LjL: that's deep
[08:44] <LjL> ikonia: i just copycatted on how much wood would a woodchuck chuck though ;(
[08:44] <ikonia> not quite as deep as I'd first thought
[15:11] <LjL> IdleOne: it wasn't portuguese :P
[15:12] <IdleOne> google transliteramogifaction said it was
[15:12] <IdleOne> LjL: what was it?
[15:12] <LjL> IdleOne: Catalan. someone mentioned that (and mistakenly called !ca)
[15:12] <IdleOne> oh, Catalan is a strange one
[15:13] <IdleOne> has a bit of everything
[15:13] <genii-around> Yes, easy to see how it can be mistaken for Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc
[15:14] <LjL> anyway the fellow wasn't looking for help or anything, just being offtopic
[15:14] <genii-around> LjL: Ah, cool that someone at least understands some of it
[15:14] <IdleOne> We need to recruit dpm. he speaks everything
[15:17] <knome> even finnish?
[15:18] <IdleOne> probably
[15:19] <genii-around> Some people have gifts like that... they pick up languages easy or can just sit down at a piano and play music, etc
[15:22] <jpds> IdleOne: I know .cat.
[15:23] <IdleOne> that's right, jpds is a language savant also :)
[15:23] <bazhang> thought you could cat the iso to usb sticks these days
[15:23] <IdleOne> you can dd it
[15:23] <bazhang> cat also
[15:23] <IdleOne> That i don't know
[15:23] <genii-around> bazhang: No, they are not yet those hybrid types like Android-X86 and some others use
[15:24] <bazhang> genii-around, pretty sure hybrid is 12.04
[15:24] <bazhang> err the reverse
[15:24] <genii-around> bazhang: I did try to dd the 12.04 image onto a USB stick, did not work
[15:25] <genii-around> ( perhaps there was some other issue however )
[15:26] <IdleOne> I clearly remember dd'ing 11.10 to USB
[15:27] <IdleOne> was the first time I had ever tried doing it
[15:27] <dax> dd works fine for 12.04.
[15:28] <IdleOne> was ^ who told me about it
[15:28] <dax> I know because that's the only way I write LiveUSB sticks for any distro these days, and I used an Ubuntu one to set up Gentoo the other month :3
[15:29] <genii-around> Hm. I have seen more than a few users lately who were having problems with 12.04 and images made with unetbootin.
[15:29] <dax> unetbootin is not very good :<
[15:30] <ikonia> shock horror
[15:30] <IdleOne> heh
[15:32] <mneptok> IdleOne: let's learn Catalan's less-popular-cousin Occitan, and then speak it exclusively in Quebec.
[15:33] <IdleOne> mneptok: it is hard enough to speak the two official languages without being looked at crooked
[15:33] <IdleOne> Then again, I was never one to care about what people think of me.
[15:33]  * IdleOne signs up for classes
[15:33] <mneptok> IdleOne: being able to say, "i don't speak that modern crap with all its modern slang" to old-guard Quebecois.
[15:34] <mneptok> priceless.
[15:35] <mneptok> actually, i'll bet Occitanians would get a very warm reception in .qc
[15:35] <IdleOne> the PQ love to indoctrinate new comers.   I don't know who they are but I feel like I should be mummified
[15:40] <mneptok> when you come to see me on visiting days and spoon feed me oatmeal (always appreciated), if an orderly asks you to go back to your room, you'll know you're old.
[15:44]  * genii-around goes to visit mneptok, on his way out the security guards stop him and tell him to go back to his room
[15:45] <IdleOne> haha
[15:46] <genii-around> IdleOne: That actually happened to my mom once when she went to go visit *her* mom
[15:46] <IdleOne> LOL
[15:52] <bazhang> he's not even in ##c
[15:53] <bazhang> the /topic says The C programming language
[16:11] <genii-around> ikonia: There's a novel approach.. we just ask people what their language is!
[16:11] <ikonia> well, he seemed to respond, I'd have tried to work it out if he couldn't speak
[16:12] <ikonia> some can speak enough to say there native tounge
[16:12] <genii-around> Yep
[16:13] <genii-around> Some pigdin form of english seems to be the general language of the internet
[16:15] <genii-around> ( so that it does make sense to ask at least )
 i cusmtmize backtrack 5 using builder
[16:18] <bazhang> lordie
[16:18] <bazhang> google code app to modify bt lightdm
[16:18] <bazhang> it's an ubuntu issue somehow
[17:00] <bazhang> zentyal is a version of ubuntu? I thought that was what replaced webmin/ebox
[17:01] <dax> It is. I think they have a distro image with it pre-installed.
[17:03] <bazhang> ok
[17:05] <bazhang> augh
[17:06] <bazhang> the hashes are listed clearly on that !hashes site
[17:07] <bazhang> he clearly did not read the !md5 link I gave him twice as well
[17:19] <LjL> bazhang, that's not his problem though. he's problem is that he's trying to use the version of the md5sums command (because some instructions say to) that want an md5 list file and checks the relevant files automatically. it's possible that if you just download the !hashes site as text, you will get such a properly formatted file, but i wouldn't know, haven't tried
 i accidently sudo chmod 0755 /etc dir now i cnt changed it back anyone pls help
[17:27] <bazhang> that sounds bad
[17:27] <bazhang> how does that happen 'accidentally'
[17:28] <IdleOne> inputing random destructions from some site
[17:28] <genii-around> Once people discover a certain command they also like to try playing around with it
[17:40] <bazhang> he seems to be trying to md5 something already burned to cd
[17:44] <genii-around> Interesting. I guess "64-bit Mac (AMD64)" means 64bit PPC image
[17:47] <dax> nope, it means AMD64 Intel Macs
[17:48] <dax> they're special because of UEFI, I'd guess
[17:48] <bazhang> it's !hashes
[17:49] <dax> (PPC images are -powerpc.iso)
[17:49] <IdleOne> !hash is <alias> hashes
[17:49] <IdleOne> hmm
[17:49] <IdleOne> probably a good reason for that too
 he told me I had to register at register.ubuntu.com and fill in the license code to get it activated
[18:36] <bazhang> baba24 was klined; should leave the ban in place?
[18:36] <Myrtti> up to you
[18:37] <Myrtti> please set it to expire at some point if you do
[18:37] <bazhang> ok thanks Myrtti
[18:57] <IdleOne> DarkSim: how can i help you?
[18:58] <IdleOne> DarkSim: I need you to respond please
[19:01] <IdleOne> DarkSim: I'll be patient a few more minutes and then I'll have to remove you. This channel has a no idling policy. I can tell you that if you don't respond to me the ban that is blocking you from sending to channel in #ubuntu will not be removed.
[19:05] <IdleOne> DarkSim: how about now
[19:09] <DarkSim> Testing
[19:09] <IdleOne> pass
[19:09] <IdleOne> So.
[19:10] <IdleOne> From what i can tell, you got muted because you expressed some frustration in #ubuntu and were asked to stop.
[19:11] <IdleOne> You didn't, then immediately tried rejoining the channel from the gateway in an attempt to evade the mute/ban.
[19:11] <IdleOne> Does this sound more or less accurate?
[19:14] <IdleOne> Seriously, why did you bother joining here if you were not going to talk?
[19:17] <genii-around> Weird.
[19:50] <DarkSim> Sorry for being afk, was playing a match online
[19:50] <DarkSim> Can you read me now IdleOne?


[05:09] <zyga> Hello
[05:09] <zyga> I will start later today. My son is going for a weekly school trip. Need to see him off
[05:12] <mborzecki> morning
[05:57] <zyga> Hey hey
[05:57] <zyga> 07:09 <zyga> I will start later today. My son is going for a weekly school trip. Need to see him off
[06:26] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:41] <zyga> Still waiting for the coach to pick the kids up
[06:42] <zyga> Lots of traffic in Waw this morning, could be a while
[07:05] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:10] <mup> PR snapd#6875 opened: store,daemon: add client-user-agent support to store.SnapInfo <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6875>
[07:25] <zyga> Hej Paweł
[07:32] <zyga> Hey pedronis, how are you doing?
[07:33] <zyga> I will be starting in about an hour
[07:33] <zyga> Bus is packed and ready to go (school trip)
[07:36] <mup> PR snapd#6876 opened: Optical-drive Interface: Add scsi-generic support <Created by diddledan> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6876>
[07:37] <diddledan> morning :-)
[07:41] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:42] <pstolowski> o/
[07:49] <mborzecki> mvo taking a day off today?
[07:51] <mvo> mborzecki: I'm here
[07:51] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, didn't notice
[07:51] <mvo> mborzecki: doing silly admin stuff right now :)
[07:51] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, mostly silent
[07:51] <mborzecki> mvo: #6872 needs a glimpse from you
[07:51] <mup> PR #6872: many: backport fixes to 2.39 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6872>
[07:52] <mvo> mborzecki: sure, will do !
[07:54] <pedronis> I'm around too, will swap Fri
[07:55] <zyga> re
[08:05]  * Chipaca thinks things are too quiet and goes to check his email
[08:08] <zyga> Chipaca: hey :)
[08:08] <zyga> how was last week
[08:08] <zyga> man, it's good to be home with all the peace and quiet here!
[08:09] <Chipaca> zyga: :)
[08:09] <Chipaca> last week was a'ight
[08:09] <zyga> and *plenty* of updates after last week's CPU bugs
[08:09]  * zyga reboots
[08:11] <mvo> hey Chipaca and pstolowski !
[08:12] <pstolowski> hey o/
[08:13] <Chipaca> mvo: o/
[08:16] <Chipaca> mborzecki: with parallel installs, hooks don't run with remapped names, right? ie a hook can't do "snapctl restart foo.bar", they need to do "snapctl restart $SNAP.bar"?
[08:16] <mborzecki> Chipaca: the forum topic?
[08:16] <Chipaca> mborzecki: yes
[08:17] <Chipaca> mborzecki: just checking before telling them they're holding it wrong
[08:17] <mborzecki> Chipaca: wanted to sync with pedronis/mvo first, but I believe, all the commands should use $SNAP_INSTANCE_NAME & $SNAP_NAME instead of hardcoding nextcloud
[08:17] <mvo> yeah, hardcoding sounds bad(tm)
[08:17] <mborzecki> Chipaca: in that case, SNAP_INSTANCE_NAME == nextcloud_1
[08:17]  * Chipaca always hardcodes nextcloud even if the snap is called something else
[08:17] <Chipaca> mborzecki: good :)
[08:18] <Chipaca> bah, i can see the dev's perspecive on this, seems weird, but yeh
[08:18] <pedronis> yes, I'm not sure we can reasonably ask them that
[08:18] <mborzecki> doing magic could work, but i sense possible problems when we have cross snap ordering and whatnot
[08:19] <pedronis> why?
[08:19] <pedronis> by definition we will not let snap refer to other snaps by name
[08:19] <zyga> I think snapctl driven requests could easily be remapped
[08:20] <mborzecki> hmm if there's no chance they'd attempt to refer to other snap by name, then we can do it
[08:21] <pedronis> mborzecki: we really don't want snap to talk about other snap by name,  default-provider are the only exception, for sure not at runtime
[08:21] <pedronis> anyway I fear that the all set of service commands were a bit under thought out, as we know
[08:21] <pedronis> anyway it's fine to suggest a workaround, I don't see us jumping on changing this now either
[08:22] <mborzecki> i can put it my todo queue and take a look after gadget updates
[08:23] <pedronis> mborzecki: ok, maybe,  let's discuss when we get there
[08:23] <mborzecki> pedronis: sgtm :)
[08:25] <mborzecki> zyga: can you take a look at #6874 later on?
[08:25] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, do you have something blocked on me?  what's the status of auto snapshot docs?
[08:25] <mup> PR #6874: cmd/snap-confine: do not mount over non files/directories <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6874>
[08:25] <zyga> mborzecki: will do
[08:26] <mborzecki> zyga: pinged jdstrand and pedronis for reviews on this one too
[08:28] <pstolowski> pedronis: hi, not really, you can take a look at the snap remove --purge PR, but it's not blocking antyhing. i've send the auto snapshot doc change to degville a few days ago
[08:29] <degville> pstolowski / pedronis: morning! I updated the docs with the auto snapshot details pstolowski sent over - on the getting started page, system options page and on the snapshots page.
[08:30] <pstolowski> degville: i think i forgot to clarify the time duration format ("d" for "days"), or did you sort that out yourself?
[08:31] <degville> pstolowski: I removed the day example (just used the hours example) until we had some clarification, so it still makes sense.
[08:32] <pstolowski> degville: k, thanks
[08:34] <zyga> mborzecki: reviewed
[08:41] <Chipaca> xnox: i'd like to know more about #1829510
[08:41] <mup> Bug #1829510: snapd connectivity check did not change fastly cdn <subiquity:New> <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1829510>
[08:41] <Chipaca> xnox: istm there's more going on and you might've jumped to conclusions somewhere
[08:43] <mvo> pstolowski: was "Infrastructure to measure subtimings for operations" done for 2.39 or for 2.40 (iirc the later but not quite sure)
[08:45] <mvo> Chipaca: "snap download and related changes for snapcraft" is done, right? iirc it was 2.39 or is there something missing
[08:45] <Chipaca> mvo: no not done yet
[08:45] <mvo> Chipaca: oh, ok
[08:45] <Chipaca> mvo: it has two parts, one part is done, the other isn't
[08:45] <mvo> Chipaca: aha, ok - the --output part is missing?
[08:46] <mup> PR snapd#6877 opened: overlord/configstate: don't panic on invalid configuration <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6877>
[08:46] <pstolowski> mvo: let me check that
[08:46] <Chipaca> mvo: yes
[08:46] <mvo> Chipaca: ta!
[08:55] <pstolowski> mvo: yes, timings are 2.40; 2.39 is missing some important commits. and i've one more PR and a bug to fix there too
[08:56] <mvo> pstolowski: sure thing, thank you!
[08:56] <mvo> pstolowski: I will update trello
[08:56] <pstolowski> ty
[09:04] <zyga> brb
[09:16] <mvo> Chipaca: do you have a few min for a quick HO on the Snap-Client-User-Agent feature? just need someone to bounce ideas off :)
[09:17] <Chipaca> mvo: in 5?
[09:17] <Chipaca> got a bit of context right now
[09:20] <pedronis> mvo: I suspect  you maybe should leave that to Chipaca at this point, I fear I'll have opinions on details and will drag a bit
[09:20] <mvo> Chipaca: sure, or in 10 if you prefer
[09:21] <mvo> pedronis: ok, I hope this won't change to radically from what we have right now up for review
[09:21] <pedronis> probably not, but we are adding context everywhere, we should try to do it right, given now is in the new cycle work
[09:21] <mvo> pedronis: do you already have a sense of how to transmit the client-user-agent from a "snap install"? I mean, have you looked at this yet? it seems we need to put it on the download task
[09:22] <pedronis> have we agreed to need it on download?
[09:23] <Chipaca> I thought it was only needed in the synchronous part
[09:23] <Chipaca> i.e. in what we call the info and refresh endpoints
[09:23] <mvo> pedronis, Chipaca we can do it either way, I think doing it in the task is more realistic but either way will work
[09:23] <Chipaca> (refresh being what we hit for install/download/refresh)
[09:23] <mvo> (this is mostly why I wanted to talk :)
[09:23] <Chipaca> ok
[09:24] <Chipaca> i'll just finish wrapping up this (more PRs for reviewage) and then will be free for y'awl
[09:24] <pedronis> we can ask the store what they prefer, not needing it in download would slightly better for us
[09:24] <mvo> pedronis: ok, I can kick this off and then we can decide based on their reply
[09:25] <mvo> pedronis: out of curiosity, is your current thinking to add a context to "snapstate.Install" ?
[09:25] <pedronis> yes
[09:26] <pedronis> in theory anything that we would like to interrupt should take it
[09:26] <pedronis> unrelatedly of this precise task
[09:26] <mvo> pedronis: all right! I think thats all I wanted to know, so no need for further discussion with Chipaca  I think. and its easy to extend to download if we have to
[09:26] <mvo> pedronis: thank you!
[09:26] <mup> PR snapd#6878 opened: cmd/snap, etc: add health to 'snap list' and 'snap info' <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6878>
[09:27] <Chipaca> mvo: pedronis: ok i'm ready, am i needed?
[09:27] <pedronis> Chipaca: I don't know
[09:27]  * Chipaca weeps
[09:27] <Chipaca> :-p
[09:30] <mup> PR snapd#6653 closed: tests: try to be a little bit invariant <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6653>
[09:31] <mvo> Chipaca: I think pedronis already answerd all my questions :)
[09:32] <mvo> Chipaca: sorry, we can still chat if you want
[09:32] <Chipaca> mvo: nah :)
[09:32] <mvo> heh :)
[09:57] <mvo> thanks degville for updating trello :)
[09:58] <degville> oh, no problem mvo - sorry I left the card there so long.
[09:58] <mvo> degville: no worries
[10:12] <mup> PR snapd#6879 opened: [RFC] overlord: add context.Context to snapstate.Install() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6879>
[10:21]  * Chipaca takes a break
[10:28] <mup> PR snapd#6877 closed: overlord/configstate: don't panic on invalid configuration <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6877>
[10:36] <pstolowski> cac:
[10:38] <pstolowski> ups
[10:44] <mborzecki> zyga: about nsswitch, it doesn't happen in our spread setup bc it's modified in our image
[10:44] <zyga> ahhh
[10:44] <zyga> do you know why it was modified?
[10:44] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/zyga/mimic-bug offtopic
[10:45] <zyga> mborzecki: this illustrates the issue I was fighting last week
[10:45] <mborzecki> zyga: no clue, i don't see anything in our test setup or spread
[10:45] <zyga> mborzecki: probably the image was "cured"
[10:45] <zyga> mborzecki: if you have a moment please have a look at bug.sh
[10:45] <zyga> I would love to have a call and discuss options
[10:45] <zyga> I feel a bit stuck now :/
[10:46] <zyga> just need to grab a coffee
[10:46] <zyga> still overdosed from last week :)
[10:56] <xnox> Chipaca:  re connectivity check => so snapd found new subiquity snap (visibile with like $ snap info SNAPNAME) but $ snap download SNAPNAME was stalling, ie. zero progress because connectivity to fastly requires proxy.
[10:56] <xnox> Chipaca:  what logs / details do you need from me? i can try to recreate that network setup and gather things for you.
[10:56] <zyga> mborzecki: ok
[10:56] <Chipaca> xnox: but "snap download" and "snap refresh" are very different paths wrt proxies
[10:57] <Chipaca> xnox: which one was it? because the bug mentions refresh
[10:57] <xnox> Chipaca:  it was both.
[10:57] <Chipaca> xnox: and the connectivity check reflects what happens on refresh, not download
[10:58] <xnox> Chipaca:  both refresh, and download stalling, despite info showing that new stuff is available.
[10:58] <xnox> Chipaca:  i believe subiqutiy queries snapd's connectivity check before showing the "new installer is available screen"
[10:59] <zyga> mborzecki: do you have some time for interactive debugging?
[10:59] <Chipaca> xnox: if you could turn set SNAPD_DEBUG=1 and SNAPD_DEBUG_HTTP=7 in /etc/environment that might give us an insight into what's going on
[10:59] <mborzecki> zyga: need ~15 minutes
[10:59] <zyga> sure
[10:59] <zyga> thank you!
[10:59] <xnox> Chipaca:  ack.
[10:59] <Chipaca> xnox: (snapd would have to restart to pick those up)
[11:00] <xnox> sure.
[11:00] <Chipaca> xnox: if the connectivity check is not picking up on the problem, something's wrong and needs fixing
[11:00] <Chipaca> xnox: otoh i don't know where these things run, maybe cloud-init needs tweaking?
[11:01] <Chipaca> its configuration i mean
[11:01] <Chipaca> i honestly don't know
[11:01] <Chipaca> here's hoping for logs :)
[11:02] <xnox> well, i care about this in the context of subiquity server live image.... and I know how to hack that to do what I want =) so we are all good.
[11:04] <xnox> mvo:  vorlon: i still think i want to pre-built correct initrds for all arches, and publish them into the snapstore. Only for the snapcraft kernel plugin to consume them as staging those snaps..... Not for them to be installed on target devices directly.
[11:05] <xnox> Kind of like "shipping a snapcraft build-dependency as a snap in the store"
[11:05] <xnox> cause i am being asked for a FDE embedable initrd, for uc16 and uc18 as well as uc20
[11:09] <zyga> mborzecki: https://meet.google.com/bpg-rxba-igg?ijlm=1558350555676&hs=125&adhoc=1&authuser=0 when ready
[11:13] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#14 opened: gadget.yaml: add system-recovery partition <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/14>
[11:18] <pedronis> Chipaca: connectivity-check tries a download but yes snap download will use different configs all together atm
[11:18] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes as i said
[11:19] <Chipaca> pedronis: but the bug talked about 'refresh', not download, otherwise i would've brought that up earlier
[11:19] <Chipaca> pedronis: but it turns out connectivity-check works, but neither refresh nor download do
[11:19] <Chipaca> pedronis: hence, gimme logs
[11:19] <pedronis> yea, that's unexpected
[11:31] <Chipaca> lunch is calling
[11:38]  * Chipaca obeys
[11:48] <cachio> pstolowski, hey
[11:48] <pstolowski> cachio: hey! i've been debugging the test issue
[11:48] <cachio> pstolowski, nice
[11:48] <cachio> pstolowski, is it a test issue?
[11:49] <cachio> or is it a problem in the code?
[11:49] <pstolowski> cachio: so, first of, the test is incorrect
[11:49] <pstolowski> cachio: after fixing it passed on 16.04
[11:49] <cachio> nice
[11:50] <cachio> pstolowski, and on core18?
[11:50] <pstolowski> cachio: it sill fails on core 18 and i'm trying to find out why. fwtw i've flashed my pi3 with core18 from edge this morning and hotplug worked with real device, so i suspect it is still something with the est
[11:50] <pstolowski> *test
[11:50] <cachio> pstolowski, yes, probably, it is the first time we run this test on core
[11:51] <pstolowski> cachio: also, not sure if you noticed, it's probably not affecting this test directly, but in both cases the "initialize device" change fails repeatedely and is retried
[11:52] <pstolowski> cachio: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YRWth9FdjM/
[11:52] <pstolowski> cachio: it's device serial to be exact
[11:52] <cachio> pstolowski, yes
[11:53] <cachio> I knew that
[11:53] <pstolowski> ah ok
[11:53] <cachio> pstolowski, but it shouldn't affect
[12:00] <pstolowski> cachio: indeed, seems to be irrelevant
[12:25] <pstolowski> cachio: re core18 test failure i think it's not using the latest versions?
[12:25] <pstolowski> cachio: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/67fJ4k8Mvw/
[12:26] <cachio> pstolowski, snanpd is still on stable
[12:27] <cachio> could you push the change you did to fix core16?
[12:27] <pstolowski> cachio: right, that's the issue
[12:27] <cachio> so then I'll push the fix fot that with other stuff that I also fixed today
[12:29] <pstolowski> cachio: ok, will do in a while, trying to run everything from this test now
[12:30] <cachio> pstolowski, nice
[12:59] <pstolowski> cachio: here is the diff https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/c3kMDWhzzM/
[12:59] <pstolowski> cachio: it passed for me on core16
[13:00] <cachio> pstolowski, nice, I'll add it to the next commit
[13:00] <cachio> thanks
[13:01] <zyga> mborzecki: dziala!
[13:53]  * zyga goes for lunch
[13:54] <cachio> pstolowski, so, could you please paste the whole test
[13:54] <pstolowski> sure
[13:54] <cachio> thanks
[13:55] <pstolowski> cachio: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mKryYZNtHK/
[13:55] <cachio> pstolowski, with this change in ubuntu-image I'll create a new PR after this one
[13:55] <cachio> so, the idea is to pre-generate the image witt the desired core/snapd and avoid the refresh which takes time
[13:55] <pstolowski> cachio: it's basically the original test from classic, minus the -writing bits for serial port that required dialout to work
[13:56] <cachio> pstolowski, nice, thanks
[13:56] <mup> PR snapd#6869 closed: daemon: only allow `users`/`create-users` when not on classic* <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6869>
[14:19] <pedronis> mborzecki: mvo: I gave my +1 to #6872
[14:19] <mup> PR #6872: many: backport fixes to 2.39 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6872>
[14:19] <mvo> pedronis: thank you
[14:20] <mup> PR snapd#6872 closed: many: backport fixes to 2.39 <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6872>
[14:31] <pedronis> pstolowski: degville: auto snapshots docs don't seem to mention that atm they are off by default on core
[14:34] <mborzecki> off taking the kids to the troop meeting
[14:34] <degville> pedronis: thanks for checking - that's important - I'll add it now.
[14:36] <mup> PR snapd#6880 opened: daemon: refactor user ops to api_users <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6880>
[14:50] <Chipaca> pedronis: I addressed the concerned you'd raised in #6564 fwiw (other than two that're better left for a later pr)
[14:50] <mup> PR #6564: cmd/snap, tests: refactor info to unify handling of 'direct' snaps <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6564>
[14:52] <pstolowski> pedronis, degville to clarify - no snapshots for core snaps are created, only for app snaps; yes
[14:52] <pedronis> pstolowski: ?
[14:52] <degville> pstolowski: thank you!
[14:53] <pedronis> degville: pstolowski: I think we are talking about different things
[14:54] <pedronis> degville: pstolowski: I'm talking about this: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/overlord/snapshotstate/snapshotstate.go#L103
[14:55] <degville> pedronis/pstolowski: I'll mention both cases.
[14:55] <pedronis> on core we default to no
[14:58] <pstolowski> pedronis: ah, this landed while i was away beginning of May. i see, makes sense, thanks
[15:15] <pedronis> pstolowski: likely, we did this to be more conservative with disk space on core
[15:30]  * cachio lunch
[15:51] <pedronis> pstolowski: Chipaca: I did a pass on #6870
[15:51] <mup> PR #6870: cmd/snap, api, snapstate: implement "snap remove --purge" <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6870>
[15:52] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty
[16:06] <mup> PR core#38 closed: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[16:06] <mup> PR core#83 closed: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[16:06] <mup> PR core#104 closed: snapcraft.yaml: use remote fc-cache-builder <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/104>
[16:07] <mup> PR core#38 opened: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[16:07] <mup> PR core#83 opened: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[16:07] <mup> PR core#104 opened: snapcraft.yaml: use remote fc-cache-builder <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/104>
[16:58] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, hey, I pushed the hotplug test working on both cores
[16:58] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, in a following PR I'll add the new improvemente to avoid test code duplication
[16:59] <cachio> pstolowski|afk, but I prefer keep it as it is to simplify the change and start running this new change as part of the nightly suite
[17:59] <mup> PR snapd#6618 closed: tests: validates snapd from ppa <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6618>
[18:11]  * cachio afk
[20:49] <mup> PR snapd#6874 closed: cmd/snap-confine: do not mount over non files/directories <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6874>


[13:02] <clivejo_> hi, did aix join this channel?
 No.
[13:05] <clivejo_> he is having issues with scrolling dash cards in the mycroft plasmoid apparently the issue is fixed in Qt 5.11.. Would someone see if the patch could be backported?
[13:05] <clivejo_> it is reverse scrolling
[13:05] <clivejo_> very odd
 In 18.04 or 18.10?
 And is there a commit number we could have?
[13:07] <clivejo_> he mentioned it is fixed in neon, but not sure if that is they are on Qt5.11 or backported a fix
 OK
 If he could give more details, that would be great.
 Nice to see you, Cliv. E
 *Clive
[13:12] <clivejo_> well I have asked him to join this channel
[13:23] <clivejo_> I'll ask him to pop in and provide more details.  He was asking of the likelihood of Ubuntu 18.04 getting Qt5.11
 @mitya57 So with 5.9.6 being released, I think we should look at SRUing it (like we discussed)
 I fly back home today, but after I get a good night's sleep tonight, I'll probably work on finishing 5.11
 Unless you want to start the process for 5.9.6 (go ahead)
 It will be in 18.10 anyway, and not in 18.04 unless someone makes a PPA for it.
 5.9.6?
 (I'm talking about 5.11 for Cosmic, not Bionic :))
 I think before we can SRU a stack we need a higher version in Cosmic.
[20:43] <ahayzen> mitya57, FYI, added some extra info to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1774739   I tried using the offline .run installers TQC produce, I have found that 5.6/5.9 seem to run on Ubuntu 16.04/17.10 ... but fail on Ubuntu 18.04 with a similar stacktrace to qtcreator from the archive. So I wonder if it is a change to the system that is causing this? (eg libdbus?)
[20:48] <ahayzen> tsimonq2, yes IIRC you'll need a higher version in cosmic before SRU, either get 5.9.6 into cosmic or 5.11 - but you probably already know this ;-)
 @ahayzen, Yep. :)


[09:44] <okw21kr> 질문이 생겨서 여쭈어봅니다. error : detected X server version 'xserver 1.20.5_64a' is not supported. supported version are X.org 6.9 or later upto xserver 1.10 installation will not preceed 라는 오류메시지인데
[09:44] <okw21kr> 드라이버가 최신 X server를 지원안해서 생기는 건가요??
[09:51] <foxmask> okw21kr: may be your graphic card is too recent ?
[09:51] <okw21kr> no old
[09:52] <foxmask> ha
[09:52] <okw21kr> dual graphic system hd6480g hd6470m
[09:52] <foxmask> which ubuntu version ? on a desktop ?
[09:52] <okw21kr> laptop
[09:53] <okw21kr> 19.10
[09:53] <foxmask> we should check if those card is still supported :/ may be ubuntu drop its support
[09:57] <okw21kr> too old maybe drop. thanks
[09:57] <foxmask> did you try to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
[09:57] <okw21kr> yes
[09:57] <foxmask> ok :(
[09:59] <okw21kr> but no install i can watch gui screen
[10:14] <okw21kr> i think too old drop
[10:14] <okw21kr> thanks


[00:15] <pilne> if one is generally comfortable in ubuntu, is there any reason to not use the non-lts releases?
[00:25] <krytarik> pilne: Other than obviously having to upgrade more often, not really.
[00:45] <pilne> very cool, tyvm
[02:05] <kourck> anyone around that can help do a little bit of troubleshooting with guitarix and jack?
[18:41] <studio-user101> hi
[18:41] <studio-user101> installation is terribly slow
[18:44] <studio-user944-o> hello there... testing installation on USB semi SSD 130Mbit SanDisc Ultra Fit for performance test
[22:15] <njh_> am I allowed to ask a std ubuntu audio question here, or do I need to install ubuntustudio first?
[22:16] <njh_> I have 15.10, and mainstream apps like totam vlc and rhythmbox work fine, but audacity stutters and dies
[23:09] <OvenWerks> njh_: whatever you ask is fine
[23:10] <OvenWerks> ubuntu is ubuntu :)
[23:11] <njh_> but can you help me?
[23:11] <OvenWerks> Having said that, I have not spent much time on 15.10. Audacity is not one my high use applications as I do most of my recording editing with Ardour or mhwaveedit.
[23:11] <njh_> normally I use jack
[23:11] <njh_> but it's annoying
[23:12] <OvenWerks> jack and audicity do not get along that well
[23:12] <njh_> so I was hoping to use it with pulseaudio
[23:12] <njh_> well, I was using audacity as a proxy for portaudio
[23:12] <njh_> which gets the same error
[23:12] <OvenWerks> any time I have used audacity I end up using it with PA.
[23:12] <njh_> (portaudio, not pulseaudio)
[23:13] <OvenWerks> yes audacity uses portaudio to talk to whatever.
[23:14] <OvenWerks> it does that so it can work on win/OSx/pulse/alsa/jack
[23:14] <njh_> yeah
[23:14] <njh_> so I'm writing a realtime synth
[23:14] <njh_> and I'm just trying to find a non-painful way to write lowlatency audio in off the shelf ubuntu
[23:15] <OvenWerks> ok, not with audacity though
[23:15] <njh_> portaudio seems like a good start.  but this underrun problem has got me stumpped
[23:15] <njh_> and as I can reproduce it in audacity, I know it's not my program
[23:15] <OvenWerks> have you tried asking on #LAD at all?
[23:16] <njh_> I did not know LAD
[23:16] <njh_> that's here on freenode?
[23:16] <OvenWerks> "Linux Audio Developers"
[23:16] <OvenWerks> yes
[23:16] <njh_> fantastic, I shall wander over
[23:17] <OvenWerks> some of the people who put LV2 together are there as well as the authors of some other synth building blocks
[23:17] <njh_> nice
[23:17] <njh_> fwiw, I have ubuntustudio on the device I'm building this for
[23:18] <njh_> (which is a braswell picoitx)
[23:18] <OvenWerks> ALSA/Pulse are pretty common no matter what the linux platform.
[23:18] <njh_> but it's small and lacks a monitor
[23:18] <njh_> hence why I wanted something I could use on a 'normal' computer
[23:19] <njh_> and I'm not willing to install US over my laptop
[23:19] <OvenWerks> njh_: can you ssh -Y into the picoitx? (I realize you probably don't want install any x libs anyway.
[23:21] <njh_> -Y?
[23:21] <njh_> I've never had -X work
[23:21] <njh_> and yeah, I don't really need X
[23:22] <njh_> if you are interested, it's the brains of a wurltzer 'casemod' I'm doing for a friend
[23:22] <njh_> that is, he got a wurlitzer console without any guts, and I'm building a synth you can play
[23:23] <njh_> all the electronics is done, keys work, tabs flip.
[23:23] <njh_> so now I'm doing the synth part
[23:29] <OvenWerks> cool
[23:30] <OvenWerks> Have you ever looked at aeolus?
[23:30] <OvenWerks> or is that not quite the sound you were looking for?
[23:30] <njh_> sure, I'm a contributor
[23:31] <njh_> It's a great sound, but it's a little long in the tooth now
[23:31] <njh_> and fons seems to have disappeared
[23:31] <OvenWerks> he shows up once in a while, but has felt ill treated by some of the developers.
[23:31] <njh_> and it doesn't do reeds well
[23:32] <njh_> yeah, I saw tha
[23:32] <njh_> well if I ever find a way to contact him I'd love to tell him I appreciate his masterpiece
[23:33] <OvenWerks> I grew up in church that had pipes, but it has been a long time since I have heard the real thing. That was 1st Baptist in Calgary AB Canada. Im on Vancouver Island these days.
[23:33] <njh_> yeah, that's a long walk
[23:33] <njh_> I also have a project to add some 32' stops to the local cathedral organ
[23:34] <njh_> which is contingent on getting the wurlitzer finished
[23:34] <njh_> synthetic 32' stops mind
[23:34] <njh_> there's not enough room in the loft to fit real ones
[23:34] <njh_> but someone installed 10 subwoofers in there at some point, so I figure I'll just drive those
[23:35] <OvenWerks> My parents have what used to be an old Wurlter console with two manuals. My dad was putting his own version of (all hardware) sound moduals in.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> ya 32foot is pretty big. Where I saw was 16s
[23:36] <njh_> yeah
[23:36] <njh_> it has several 16's
[23:36] <njh_> flue and reed
[23:37] <OvenWerks> 16 was adequate to shack the place already.
[23:37] <njh_> :)
[23:37] <OvenWerks> *shake
[23:37] <njh_> well the organist (who also gives me lessons) feels that we need to go deeper
[23:38] <OvenWerks> Yeah, that was part of my reason for buying a 5 string bass too
[23:39] <njh_> drop D!
[23:39] <OvenWerks> funny thing is a bass boost that boosts an octave higher actually makes it sound deeper.
[23:39] <njh_> yeah, that's because of the way the ear works
[23:39] <OvenWerks> Ya mostly the D, but I do all the way down to the B once in while.
[23:46] <njh_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_tone
[23:46] <njh_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_fundamental
[23:46] <njh_> our ear breaks sound into combs of harmonics
[23:46] <njh_> then infers the base note
[23:47] <njh_> you can trick this by creating a sequence that implies the fundamental
[23:47] <njh_> that's why tiny little laptop speakers can sound like they have bass