[00:08] <Bashing-om> TJ-: A red headed stranger ? Missed ya :P
[00:08] <daftykins> :O
[00:09] <TJ-> G'morning! How's everyone doing?
[00:09] <daftykins> all well here thanks :) how's your neck of the woods?
[00:10] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Going well here .. Did you get your 2nd hay cutting in ?
[00:12] <TJ-> We're sweltering in the heat like most people here; only got 1 crop of hay so far; started irrigating potatoes this week.
[00:12] <TJ-> I popped in to see if there's any channels on Freenode for visually impaired users, but it doesn't seem there is
[00:13] <TJ-> ubuntu-accessibility seems essentially empty too
[00:15] <daftykins> the alis bot could be of use?
[00:15] <daftykins> for channel finding
[00:16] <TJ-> That was my first port of call
[00:16] <Bashing-om> TJ-: No not know about accessibilities .. see what alis has to say about ' braille ' ?
[00:17] <TJ-> "End of Output" :p
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Yuk
[00:18] <daftykins> blows my mind sometimes when folks come in #kodi saying they're blind and have an issue, i just never imagine someone partially sighted even using such a visual program
[00:19] <TJ-> I'm volunteering for a local visual impairment charity, and developing a plan for using online services to help participation in an extremely wide-spread rural area. Part of that is finding a stable host for a couple of IRC channels instead of operating our own IRC server, so the service-users can easily expand into other communities
[00:20] <daftykins> is IRC really the right choice?
[00:20] <daftykins> not that i think too highly of all the many modern services that hang around, given how often messaging platforms rise and fall :)
[00:21] <TJ-> It's the only choice; works perfectly with text-to-speech software
[00:21] <hggdh> daftykins: I think not really bad, since it is basically text-mode (as opposed to graphical)
[00:21] <daftykins> right but a lot of the modern ones are the same
[00:21] <TJ-> No inline images that blind users would miss
[00:22] <daftykins> so were you gonna go to the freenode folks?
[00:22] <TJ-> It's perfect for generally tech-phobic users too; wrap it with an accessible web client (there are many) keyed to the community channel so the user doesn't need to understand IRC to get started.
[00:24] <daftykins> yeah that's only true given that part :D i still remember being new and wondering why there were servers
[00:26] <TJ-> Well, part of the plan is to develop a custom set of integrated F/OSS services accessed via a web-site for media (mostly audio) submission and editing, chat, document sharing and more ( for service-users, volunteers, and staff) so #project-devel and #project channels
[00:32] <daftykins> i think you just hate free time ;D
[00:34] <TJ-> What's that when it's at home? :)
[00:41] <Bashing-om> TJ-'s A-farm'n - there is no such thing as "free-time" . One never does enough ... and the more you do the more there is then to do .
[00:41] <TJ-> So true!
[00:41] <daftykins> :>
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:26] <ducasse> good morning
[07:01] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:01] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:07] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks - how about yourself?
[07:09] <lordievader> Doing okay. Was annoyed this morning when I found out that the default Ubuntu server image doesn't support lvm/raid.
[07:10] <lordievader> You need the alternate image for that appearantly.
[07:11] <ducasse> yes, the new installer isn't very flexible yet aiui
[07:19]  * lordievader wonders how many server installs do not make use of some kind of raid.
[07:40] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[10:24] <daftykins> i run mines OS disks without RAID :)
[10:47] <lordievader> daftykins: How than? And why?
[10:48] <daftykins> the RAIDs on the storage, i don't want the OS anywhere near it
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:32] <daftykins> good morning \o all well?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, fine here, and you?
[11:34] <daftykins> yep not too bad thanks! seems to be a warm one again
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yup, forecasting 30C and 90% humidity here
[11:39] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[11:39] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[11:40] <daftykins> \o
[11:40] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: WB :)
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> ty Bashing-om
[16:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Thus far ... Good day in our neighborhood .
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows a tool that can kernel cleanup GUI besides bleachbit?
[16:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ' autoremove ' fails to function ?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: well long story short, my customers dont use the terminal
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and they seem to avoid updating too lol
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> so unattended-upgrades are enabled, but im still looking for older kernels auto cleanup
[16:37] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Ho kay :) .. no, I am not aware of an alternate GUI tool for bleachbit.
[16:38] <daftykins> bit embarassing if Ubuntu still hasn't sorted that out
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> would be nice in software&updates tick an option: remove older kernels
[16:39] <nacc> daftykins: so far, i've still only seen cases where users have either manually installed a package, or simply never run autoremove
[16:39] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, the problem is autoremove is not kernel specific
[16:39] <nacc> i guess they could do `sudo apt-get autoremove linux-*
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah but as i mentioned nacc my users are GUI mostly
[16:39] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> terminal,what?
[16:39] <nacc> lotuspsychje: might be a nice feature to add to update-manager
[16:40] <nacc> should be relatively easy to do i think
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> nacc: you think i could bug/wishlist it?
[16:40] <nacc> lotuspsychje: seems worthwhile in the ubuntu bug tracker at least
[16:40] <daftykins> if you can catch TJ i'm pretty sure he wrote a script for this, you could probably cron it on client systems
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> its an idea yeah daftykins
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> but love the idea of having this as a feature too
[16:41] <nacc> i think TJ's script is mostly useful when autoremove doesn't work
[16:41] <nacc> as in the user has already hosed their system, it does some manual rm and then does the n ormal dpkg/apt dance
[16:42] <daftykins> yeah i think it handles the edge case of when they're out of space and can't use APT, too
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> lets say the feature would purge last 2 'older' kernels every time
[16:42] <nacc> right, that's the manual rm part
[16:44] <daftykins> it's a very messy sitution becuse if you count backwards from a newly installing version, you want #1 to stay since it was working last, then #2 and #3 could go - *but* if the user is an update avoider, they may never have restarted to boot into #1
[16:45] <daftykins> blech :D
[16:45] <nacc> right, i believe one of the various tools figures that out
[16:46] <nacc> you always want to keep `uname -r`'s version
[16:46] <nacc> you also want to keep the 'two newest'
[16:46] <nacc> so take the intersection
[16:47] <daftykins> i was going to contact digitalocean and ask if they recommend livepatch being used with their VPSs o0
[16:48] <nacc> (full disclosure, i work for DO :)
[16:48] <daftykins> :o i feel like this is the first time i am hearing that, cool :D
[16:48] <nacc> daftykins: i changed a few months ago from canonical
[16:49] <daftykins> always been very impressed with the support i get
[16:49] <daftykins> ah neat :D
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> ill file a wishlist for it, who knows then
[16:50] <nacc> (I don't know the answer to your question, i'm on the systems (KVM) performance)
[16:51] <nacc> daftykins: i mean, livepatch has a limited # (3?)
[16:51] <daftykins> yeah
[16:51] <nacc> so doesn't seem particularly great for droplets
[16:51] <nacc> but it depens on how much you use it
[16:51] <daftykins> i saw the support rates for more, it is ouch
[16:51] <nacc> yeah
[16:51] <daftykins> right now i have 0 instances :D fine with update + reboot really
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> wich package should i file it, update-manager, unattended-upgrades or software&sources?
[16:52] <nacc> lotuspsychje: if it's specifically the gui side, update-manager
[16:52] <nacc> iirc
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> allrighty tnx
[16:53] <daftykins> now we play the waiting game :)
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> or find interested bug users :p
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> if we lucky next decade its a feature :p
[16:54] <daftykins> xD
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> now nacc is gone from canonical...
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> someone else will have to work harder
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> hows this looking? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723
[17:02] <oerheks> no ff61, but surprise; a fresh kernel
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: lol
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> isitoutyet
[17:03] <lordievader> Solution: educate users?
[17:03] <nacc> uh... 41.6gb zip file?? must be pirated stuff, right?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: lets face reality, even windows is hard for them..next step the terminal?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: could you wishlist bug #1779723 for me again plz?
[17:04] <nacc> i can do it too, one sec
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx nacc
[17:05] <lordievader> I don't think they are going to use Linux if they find Windows hard.
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: thats bit judging statement, got a lot of users running ubuntu like a charm
[17:06] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: done
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> ty hggdh ; )
[17:06] <hggdh> yw
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> u2 nacc
[17:06] <nacc> np
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> anyone read some news on .1 yet?
[17:06] <lordievader> I'm sure it is, but it is the way I think about it 😉
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> no early releasenotes somewhere?
[17:07] <nacc> lotuspsychje: they'd go on the normal bionic page
[17:07] <nacc> iirc
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> i respect your opinion lordievader, but my 80y old aunt is on ubuntu, she cant scramble system anymore where she was able on windows
[17:09] <lordievader> Fair enough.
[17:10] <leftyfb> lordievader: I can attest to my mother, 10yo sister and multiple residential customers of mine(2 of which in their 80's) all running Ubuntu without issue and found it better/easier than windows.
[17:10] <daftykins> do they all solely start the browser and then that's all they need? :)
[17:11] <oerheks> i miss the times, hitting update and come back an hour later
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ive setup shotwell for my aunt also, the moment she branches camera, pics get synced auto to nautilus and she understands it too
[17:11] <leftyfb> daftykins: to be honest, most of them have actually either gone to a chromebook or no pc at all.
[17:12] <daftykins> syncing photos is a very old usage model i find
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> lol oerheks when i worked at mediamarket, launched 5 win laptops updates, and it was only next morning
[17:12] <daftykins> evidence: 70 year old client asking me to do it for them the other day
[17:12] <daftykins> :)
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> at year of the linux desktop, everything should be also GUI done
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:14] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Do you mean something like this in your bug report: https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> lets see
[17:15] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: that's why it shall never be!
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: nice find
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: but i was more looking for like deleting the last 2 'oldest' instead of auto installing latest ones
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> normal updates already grabbin newest kernels right
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i also dont wanna risk users deleting newest kernel so they cant get in anymore lol
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> want a clean sandbox for them
[17:18] <lordievader> This one pulls them from the mainline ppa too, I think.
[17:19] <lordievader> Anyhow, it is up on github. You can add the functionality 😉
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> tnx for looking lordievader
[17:19] <lordievader> No problem.
[17:21] <daftykins> how come everyone's impatient for firefox 61 anyway? :) just looked at the changelog and don't see too much to rush for
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> i always remember this user in #ubuntu he got his system updating to all lts's never autoremoved..
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> got like 40 kernels in his list
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: it has quick tab switch so i hear...something to look forward too?
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> i guess we could test the snap :p firefox  61.0-3  mozilla
[17:23] <daftykins> dunno how you can get much quicker than ctrl+shift+tab / ctrl+tab :D
[17:23] <daftykins> or even ctrl+n!
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: think its preloading stuff
[17:42] <lordievader> daftykins: No idea, I use Chrome 😋
[17:43] <daftykins> i use both but updates come quick to Windows (:
[19:47]  * oerheks wait for the crosspost in ##linux
[19:48] <daftykins> o0
[20:26] <leftyfb> pretty sure we've got a troll that keeps coming back with different nicks/hosts
[20:31] <hggdh> and the same host
[20:32] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Zsfb5fxvjn/
[20:32] <leftyfb> it is the same host
[21:20] <leftyfb> god damn idiot that one
[21:21] <nacc> if i was mad at you and reading what you wrote, i would argue with you too
[21:21] <nacc> tbf to both of you
[21:46] <Bashing-om> And ... in other news .. UWN534 is out :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue534 .
[22:53]  * Allie` has an x201 now, running ubuntu MATE
[22:53] <Allie`> :D


[07:36] <diplo> Morning all
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:17] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.com/HRH-Functional-Shortcuts-Keyboard-Silicone/dp/B01MFXLBO9
[09:17] <foobarry> this looks great. mac only though :(
[09:24] <daftykins> i think if you've got to stare, it's already too slow
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> i've always wanted my super expensive laptop to look like a zx spectrum :-D
[09:31] <arsenip> that's cool
[09:31]  * arsenip has a mac
[10:26] <foobarry> remember the Elite carboard overlay?
[10:27] <daftykins> nope!
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> i bought it on budget label, no overlay
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> but i do remember people complaining about it falling apart from a lot of use...
[13:24] <diplo> Anyone run LetOS at all ?
[13:25] <diplo> Lenovo thin client app
[13:25] <diplo> OS even
[13:29] <foobarry> nop
[13:30] <daftykins> had to look that one up :>
[13:36] <diplo> hah me too!
[13:36] <diplo> One of our customers has bought some and then asked, can we do this with them :)
[13:37] <diplo> Dunno, you tell us?!?
[13:50] <foobarry> do you have to buy the management suite?
[13:50] <foobarry> Terminals running in a zero client configuration are easily managed centrally; either through this DNS environment or through LTM, whichever should the system administrator so desire.
[13:50] <foobarry> maybe not
[13:51] <diplo> You don't have to, I didn't when I ran the wyse
[13:51] <foobarry> its a bit odd when the top link on google isn't even lenovo
[13:51] <diplo> but basically what I want to know is what OS it's running and whether its easy enough to install other software, first googles are not promising, we use certain F keys to do certain things with our software
[13:52] <diplo> I just want to tell the customer to F off, you bought it, your issue
[13:52] <diplo> But I'll get overruled no doubt
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh, https://support.lenovo.com/ie/en/solutions/hf004001
[13:59] <diplo> thanks, found an admin guide pdf, quick scan of that now
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> seems the linux variant gets as much space as the windows embedded variant which is nice to see
[14:00] <diplo> I honestly don't think they understand what they've bought
[14:03] <diplo> hese packages will be in a squashfs file type
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> some boss at a show got wined and dined and woke up the next day with a receipt in his back pocket...
[14:06] <diplo> These people are a bit tight, saw a PC for £200~ and thought yeah I'll have that
[14:07] <diplo> We sell NUCs running Linux, but need some other software to connect to ours, but probably £300+
[15:18] <daftykins> hmm NUCs are a bit dear given the extra requirement of screens etc
[15:18] <daftykins> i'd definitely agree on first glance it looked wholly unsuitable for a custom Linux to be thrown on, if that's the idea
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> considering they roll android into all those tvs you'd think someone would be making thin client option
[15:22] <daftykins> just need to sideload the APK to a remote desktop tech and it's almost done :D
[15:22] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/ln9KV waiting for the unicorn HAT LED display to round it off
[15:25] <daftykins> haha
[15:26] <diplo> Customers want small daftykins - seems to be willing to pay for them + our costs on top - then again customers aren't the brightest
[15:26] <foobarry> https://shop.pimoroni.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/unicorn-hat-hd
[15:28] <daftykins> diplo: what about low spec laptops though? as much as you lose upgradability
[15:28] <daftykins> must admit i have no idea of the requirements :>
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, volunteering information in those circumstances puts you on the line when anything fails no matter what it is
[15:32] <daftykins> just had a meet with the builders at my house, they're gonna resume work next Tuesday :D insurance adjuster demons slain at last
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> shhhh!! don't say that out loud!! :-)
[15:33] <daftykins> :D
[15:41] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/ah9i1
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> the cables are taking more space than the pi...
[15:42] <daftykins> spaghetti!
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> it's been blessed by his noodly appendage...
[15:52] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[15:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:53] <daftykins> ah 'lo stranger \o
[15:58] <ali1234> foobarry: you should get pi zeros and zerostems and a USB hub to clean up that cable mess
[15:59] <ali1234> https://zerostem.io/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/zeros-in-hub.jpg
[15:59] <nhandler> Hello Ubuntu UK folks. We will be holding our first ever freenode #live conference (https://freenode.live/) at the end of October in Bristol. We would love to have Ubuntu UK members in attendance, giving talks, and helping to organize/run a booth. If you are interested, or know of other people/groups that might be, feel free to follow the directions on the website or reach out to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>directly.
[16:00] <ali1234> clustering like this is the reason i designed it :)
[16:20] <czajkowski> daftykins: always here, just up the walls
[16:20] <czajkowski> nhandler: ola!
[16:20] <nhandler> Hi czajkowski :)
[16:20] <daftykins> i blame that diddledan for that ;)
[16:23] <czajkowski> daftykins: no it's always blame popey
[16:23] <daftykins> ah very good
[17:17] <m0nkey_> You guys can breath easy once again. I have left the UK and returned home.
[17:26] <daftykins> phew, i'll call off the team watching the north coast of the island
[17:26] <daftykins> m0nkey_: how was the trip?
[17:33] <m0nkey_> It was good
[17:33] <m0nkey_> Sun burnt, nearly knocked out, all good though :)
[17:34] <daftykins> you got in a fight? :P
[17:34] <m0nkey_> No, wife was closing the boot of the rental car, I was still under it.
[17:34] <daftykins> sheesh!
[17:34] <m0nkey_> Profanity was abundant.
[17:35] <daftykins> and i'll bet you had some choice words for her, too ;)
[17:35] <m0nkey_> It was an accident. She felt pretty bad about it too.
[18:08] <daftykins> wow Postman Pat is going all-electric
[19:51] <diddledan> m0nkey_: gives you both an excuse to cuddle to reassure each other that you're all good
[19:51] <diddledan> cuddles ftw
[22:14] <daftykins> :D
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> so a small emp device will prevent the post van doing a runner after ninjaing a 'while you were out' notice in your letterbox...
[22:15] <daftykins> excellent!


[23:14] <DS-McGuire> Hello guys, I am currently working on my action point for the meeting, I am in contact with Daniel Holbach and he wants to know where we would like the wiki to be placed in the community.ubuntu.com page. Any ideas?
[23:18] <DS-McGuire> belkinsa: New message, read above.
[23:27] <pleia2> DS-McGuire: it's linked here: http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/documentation/
[23:27] <pleia2> suggesting it should be here too? http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/
[23:28] <pleia2> that seems reasonable, with something like "Our community help wiki that covers a broad range of topics beyond the official docs is available here"
[23:29] <DS-McGuire> I see that as being a way of saying "This is where you contribute" and not this is where they are to read.
[23:29] <pleia2> gotcha, that's why I was asking :)
[23:30] <pleia2> and browsing through the logs, if you're looking for metrics, there are about 150 or so edits/month (based on this past month)
[23:30] <pleia2> not to shabby
[23:30] <pleia2> too
[23:30] <pleia2> and certainly more than we get for the official docs, sadly
[23:31] <DS-McGuire> Awesome. Do you believe there should be a link to it directly on community.ubuntu.com or on  http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/ Jumping through different links is what I am trying to solve.
[23:31] <DS-McGuire> Yeah that is some good stats quite pleased with them... Apart from the docs.
[23:32] <pleia2> you can already get to help.ubuntu.com from the front page, I don't know that adding the community docs too is appropriate, it's already pretty busy at the top :)
[23:32] <pleia2> already have to click "more" to get to the regular docs
[23:33] <pleia2> and this seems like a unified header among many sites, changing would be non-trivial I think
[23:36] <DS-McGuire> I think you might be right, hold on.
[23:39] <DS-McGuire> You are right. I never knew it would be hidden under more. However, I believe the original point was that from the community page the wiki was not listed on the page itself.
[23:40] <pleia2> I think you could make that argument for a lot of resources in the community, we only link to one subset of each thing
[23:40] <DS-McGuire> If you and other people believe no change has to happen then I will stop with this change.
[23:40] <pleia2> just having a discussion :)
[23:41] <pleia2> I wasn't at the meeting, so I'm just playing catch up anyway
[23:41] <DS-McGuire> I know we are. I don't want to change things if there is no need, and you are making good points.
[23:41] <DS-McGuire> AH, well you would have been good in the meeting.
[23:43] <pleia2> unfortunately I was still on the mend from surgery at the time, but I'll try to attend the next one
[23:43] <pleia2> (nothing major, all better now!)
[23:43] <DS-McGuire> Well, it's good to hear you're okay :)
[23:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:44] <DS-McGuire> No problem :)


[12:35] <jaddi27> sagaci, Thanks for your email. Don't worry about being a bit late - I am fine with waiting a bit longer
[12:35] <sagaci> just totally flew over my head until it was too late :/
[12:36] <jaddi27> I will wait for the next Australian one, because the american one is a bit hard for me to get to
[12:37] <jaddi27> Do you know if there is a predefined time between applications, or if I should be able to apply again for the next time?
[12:38] <sagaci> don't know
[12:38] <sagaci> three testimonials should be enough
[12:39] <jaddi27> Ok. I will wait until Jared gets back to check with him
[12:42] <sagaci> jaddi27, I won't be available for the May meeting http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/389/detail/
[12:42] <sagaci> since I'll be on a plane
[12:42] <sagaci> -/-
[12:45] <jaddi27> Ah, ok. Is that going to UDS?
[12:45] <sagaci> from UDS, yes
[12:46] <jaddi27> I think that definitely qualifies as a good reason not to be at the meeting
[12:47] <jaddi27> I will see if there is a way to do an apology for you
[12:51] <sagaci> hmm, my first meeting was sept 2010
[12:54] <jaddi27> The first you attended, or first you chaired?
[12:54] <sagaci> attended
[12:55] <sagaci> I wasn't particularly interested in the loco until the reapproval failed
[12:56] <sagaci> because I just assumed everything was fine how it was -- didn't know how to contribute
[13:01] <jaddi27> I was much the same. When the reapproval did not work, and there were all those heated emails on the list, I knew I wanted to try to sort something out
[13:01] <jaddi27> I think we have certainly moved on from that (hopefully, anyway)
[13:02] <sagaci> surely have
[13:04] <jaddi27> It is really odd not seeing head_victim in the user list - that only normally happens when the power goes out to his place, and then it will come back very quickly.
[13:04] <jaddi27> He will have to read a lot of logs when he gets home
[13:06] <sagaci> irebootin
[13:35] <jaddi27> See you later on. Thanks again
[18:02] <paoidau> hi
[20:23] <locodir-user> hiall


[05:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3734 closed: meta: add layout to snap.yaml <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3734>
[06:09] <mborzecki> morning
[06:37] <mup> PR snapd#11716 closed: snap-bootstrap, o/devicestate: use seed parallelism <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11716>
[06:37] <mup> PR snapd#11729 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: correctly set sticky bit on created directories where applicable <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11729>
[06:42] <mup> PR snapd#11753 closed: tests: add lz4 dependency for jammy to avoid issues repacking kernel <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Run failed> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11753>
[06:42] <mup> PR snapd#11754 opened: interfaces/apparmor: allow executing /usr/bin/numfmt in the base template <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11754>
[07:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3733 closed: providers: user core22 buildd <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3733>
[07:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#3735 opened: commands: help for all legacy commands <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3735>
[07:15] <pstolowski> morning
[07:28] <mardy> hi mborzecki, pstolowski
[07:29] <mborzecki> mardy: hey
[08:28] <mardy> mborzecki: I'm still running some tests, but it looks like we can remove all of the special casing for opensuse in the user-session-env test. They must have fixed something.
[08:37] <mup> PR snapd#11755 opened: tests/main/user-session-env: remove openSUSE-specific tweaks <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11755>
[11:58] <mup> PR snapd#11738 closed: snap/quota: change the journal quota period to be a time.Duration <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11738>
[11:58] <mup> PR snapd#11754 closed: interfaces/apparmor: allow executing /usr/bin/numfmt in the base template <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11754>
[12:29] <mup> PR snapd#11756 opened: tests: add spread test to verify that connections are preserved if snap refresh fails <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11756>
[12:44] <mup> PR snapd#11757 opened: [WIP] many: factory reset with encryption <⛔ Blocked> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11757>
[12:54] <mup> PR snapd#11758 opened: osutil/disks: helper for obtaining the UUID of a partition which is a mount point source <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11758>
[15:09] <mup> PR snapd#11750 closed: tests: skip external backend in mem-cgroup-disabled test <Simple 😃> <Run failed> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11750>
[15:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3735 closed: commands: help for all legacy commands <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3735>
[15:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3736 opened: requirements: update dependencies <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3736>
[19:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#3736 closed: requirements: update dependencies <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3736>
[20:24] <mardy> ~/quit
[20:24] <mardy> :-)
[20:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#3737 opened: Main merge <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3737>
[21:57] <tianon> anyone seen issues with "snapcraft" erroring out with "no space left on device" but the host system has plenty of space available? (36GiB available, no tmpfs on /tmp or anything like that)
[21:57] <tianon> does "snapcraft" create its own tmpfs or something behind my back that I need to be careful about?
[21:57] <tianon> (using LXD-based builds, FWIW)
[22:06] <tianon> ah, --debug gives me an answer: "default/containers/snapcraft-docker zfs            4.2G  4.2G   27M 100% /"  doh
[22:08] <tianon> (gonna try the nuclear option and "lxc delete snapcraft-docker" and let it do the whole thing all over again fresh - it's an old container :D)
[22:23] <tianon> heh, and I'm right back where I started (filled the zfs volume right back up) - would love help figuring out how to extend that or make /tmp inside point at a dir on the host or something 😅
[22:56] <tianon> aha, https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/docs/master/storage/#growing-a-loop-backed-zfs-pool :)