[00:29] <_098v_> Does anyone know how to install different themes for Xubuntu 12.10?
[02:06] <Furah> hi guys, I've run into a bit of a problem
[02:07] <Furah> on the weekend I updated my kernel and now I cannot boot into xubuntu, it just freezes at the blue loading screen with the bar that moves side to side
[02:07] <Furah> trying to boot from older kernels gets stuck loading ramdisk
[03:38] <Armando2> Woot testing great so far, no errors encountered
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: For Raring?
[03:39] <Armando2> Correct
[03:39] <Armando2> Daily spin
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> It's in release candidate phase, so pretty much from this pt. forward WYSIWYG
[03:40] <Armando2> not bad, I did see a lot of visuals improve over the weeks
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Such as...? You'll need to bring me up to speed, I use Unity and haven't put VBox back in my system yet...
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> I've worked with Xubuntu before of course
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> But only LTS releases
[03:46] <Armando2> Xubuntu's login prompt is what comes to mind, it picks up the theme correctly
[03:46] <SonikkuAmerica> What do you mean, "picks it correctly"? I don't get what that means.
[03:47] <Armando2> earlier dailies would have a login panel with white text over a light grey background. Only by clicking on a pull down menu would text be visible on a highlight
[03:47] <Armando2> Then it was fixed before I could report it
[03:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. (Dailies all right.)
[03:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Usually lightdm-gtk-greeter is fun to try and comprehend in dailies.
[03:49] <Armando2> Yeah, it's been fun though downloading and Vboxing
[03:50] <SonikkuAmerica> VBox is fun to run other OS's in, especially when you have Windows-specific programs that hate on Wine.
[03:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Like Sibelius.
[03:51] <Kvasir> Hey can I ask a quick question re-xubuntu?
[03:51] <Kvasir> Will it run on a macbook 1,1? :s
[03:52] <Armando2> Mine is just for office, xbox360 and a game like urbanterror get my fps fix
[03:52] <Armando2> It should, they usually spin an iso with an optimized efi loader for apple comps
[03:53] <SonikkuAmerica> You might want to check cdimage.ubuntu.com for an amd64+mac image.
[03:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope, don't see any... at least not for the daily builds.
[03:54] <Kvasir> Excellent! I'm actually running ubuntu right now, but keen to change to something lighter. It's i386 ^^*
[03:54] <Armando2> The last time I had the ability to play linux on a Mac was a PowerG4 platinum tower with Yellow Dog
[03:54] <Armando2> ran a decent apache server on it
[03:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Why do you need lighter?
[03:54] <Armando2> xubuntu is uber light
[03:56] <SonikkuAmerica> There are Ubuntu (with Unity) i386 images, you know.
[03:56] <Armando2> I can't wait for it to get lighter once the switch happens from xorg to wayland
[03:56] <Kvasir> SonikkuAmerica: Maybe lighter isn't the correct term, I just want a really basic setup. I'd use Arch but that hasn't worked for me so far.
[03:56] <Armando2> Kvasir, perhaps you can bootcamp your system and use the standard desktop version
[03:56] <SonikkuAmerica> All switching to Wayland! End of an era... :\
[03:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Have you tried the minimal ISO/
[03:57] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[03:57] <Armando2> A minimal base on a mac seems to me a little criminal
[03:58] <Kvasir> I've tried the alt cd, not the minimal cd.
[03:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I guess you're supposed to run Unity or KDE on those suckas... I see no Xubuntu or Lubuntu amd64+mac images.
[03:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I hear they might take testers for amd64+mac images of Ubuntu GNOME...
[03:58] <Armando2> can bootcamp help strap a compatible environment for xubuntu?
[03:59] <Armando2> < needs a mac in that case hehe
[03:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I don't have a Mac, so I can't make guarantees.
[03:59] <Armando2> Kvasir, you can probably accomplish the same effect installing a amd64+mac bootable iso, then bring in the xubuntu meta package
[03:59] <Kvasir> I've never done it through Bootcamp, just through custom partitioning + refind.
[04:00] <SonikkuAmerica> You mean rEFIt?
[04:00] <Armando2> bootcamp if I understand correctly, enables bios emulation
[04:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: It does.
[04:01] <Kvasir> Here's the catch: I don't want bios emulation, I want EFI. Just to you  know, make my life harder.
[04:01] <Kvasir> SonikkuAmerica: refind is a fork or rEFIt
[04:01] <Armando2> I do feel the same way Kvasir actually, it's too bad apple's EFI implementation is "different"
[04:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Ah.
[04:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Buy a UEFI machine.
[04:02] <Armando2> I would probably opt to do a ubuntu to xubuntu package upgrade
[04:02] <SonikkuAmerica> That would just be [ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ]
[04:03] <Armando2> correct, it wouldn't have too much other than the xfce4 packages to download, and it's as simple as choosing a different environment at login
[04:03]  * Kvasir glomps SonikkuAmerica
[04:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: The heck is "glomping"?
[04:04] <Kvasir> *cough* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomping
[04:04] <Kvasir> Anyway that's that problem sorted ^^*
[04:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: What. Just what.
[04:04] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[04:05] <Armando2> follow this forum Kvasir, perhaps the standar amd64 iso will not be a problem for you: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2131033
[04:06] <Armando2> if you want to avoid the ubuntu bloat, they also suggest doing the lubuntu+mac to xubuntu jump, and you can try out to super lightweight distributions in one!
[04:07] <Armando2> I like this term glomping, I'm gonna glomp my Wife anime style
[04:07] <Kvasir> What have I done..
[04:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Yeah. Mainly because 30% of LXDE = XFCE
[04:07] <Armando2> super anime surpise hugs for everyone ^ ^
[04:08] <Armando2> I love LXDE save for a few UI pieces that I found to miss, otherwise, both accomplish < 300MB RAM footprint post login and settling
[04:09] <SonikkuAmerica> It runs like a gazelle on my laptop, VBox or frugal.
[04:09] <Armando2> more room for my 8GB setup for VMs, a couple hundred chromium tabs
[04:09] <SonikkuAmerica> A couple hundred e_e
[04:09] <Armando2> I too might add that XFCE and LXDE are very nice in a VM
[04:10] <Kvasir> I didn't realize it was as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Thank's for the help~
[04:10] <Armando2> enjoy Kvasir, glomps
[04:11]  * Kvasir falls backwards
[04:11] <Armando2> I wish I could OSS the heck out of a mac pro laptop
[04:12] <SonikkuAmerica> OSS?
[04:13] <Armando2> Open Source Software
[04:13] <Armando2> not to be mistaken with Open Sound System
[04:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Heck! Do it up!
[04:17] <Armando2> I'm happy with my Dell Studio 14, 8GB, i7 Q740 with a half devent Radeon HD 5450
[04:18] <Armando2> ^decent
[04:18] <Armando2> Born with Win 7, stripped, reinstalled Windows 7, couldn't last more than 1 month, came back to Xubuntu
[04:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Me? Win 98 > XP > Ubuntu 10.04 > Ubuntu 12.04 > 72 million flavor changes > Ubuntu 12.10 > 72 million more flavor changes > Raring.
[04:20] <Armando2> ooh here's my history:
[04:20] <aiena> lol
[04:21] <aiena> Armando2: lets listen to your history... :)
[04:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Did it start with 86-DOS?
[04:21] <aiena> I am runnung xubuntu 12.04 precise - is it possible to updat xfce to 4.10 with precise ?
[04:22] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Check off xubuntu-backports maybe?
[04:22] <aiena> how do you do that ?
[04:22] <SonikkuAmerica> In Software Sources
[04:22] <aiena> if i install it over the current xfce 4.8 will it remove the old one
[04:23] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Sort of...
[04:23] <Armando2> Dos 5 something, 6.22, Windows 3.0, Win 3.11 for workgroups on Dos 6.22. Win 95, 98 Gold, W2000, Mandrake something version, Redhat 7, Redhat 8, Slackware, Linux From Scratch (yes successfully bootstrapped, and compiled a working user land), Arch, Gentoo
[04:23] <aiena> hmm the software centre does not list xfce purely
[04:23] <aiena> I am confused
[04:23] <Armando2> install synaptic package manager
[04:24] <aiena> its there
[04:24] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Run [ software-properties-gtk ] in a terminal, or find "Software Sources" in XFCE System Settings,
[04:24] <Armando2> Even went FreeBSD for a bit until graphics bored me, what else
[04:24] <aiena> ok runnung it instead
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Did you know that FreeBSD was ripped off?
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: (Tried FreeBSD, stopped at the $)
[04:26] <Armando2> Ubuntu from 9 something to present, up until unity emerged, jumped to xubuntu. Dated two Mint women, Lubuntu, Xubuntu present
[04:26] <Armando2> how as freebsd ripped off?
[04:26] <Armando2> how was ^
[04:26] <Armando2> Side line use CentOS when I need to setup a matching dev environment for a web app project
[04:27] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: should i choose the software packaged by cannonical option in software sources ?
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Look under the first tab... there are 4 or 5 check boxes. Check the one labeled "Unsupported updates"
[04:27] <Armando2> aiena, try out repogen.simplylinux.ch . There might be a popular xfce latest ppa available
[04:28] <xubuntu592> how do I install with LVM and xubuntu 12.10, in the drop down for partitioning types there is no pv option... ?
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Some Buddhist software developer messed with it, slapped on some sort of window manager on it, and sold it on his own hardware for some $900-1.2k per socket. I think his name was Steve.
[04:28] <Armando2> oh yes, lot's a BSD stuff, hardly any NeXT remain
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> (Not trying to be religionist here, just stating facts)
[04:29] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: Unsupported updates is enabled
[04:29] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: should I check pre release
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Now, [ sudo apt-get update ] or run Update Manager.
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I believe it's called OS X.
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[04:29] <Armando2> yeah, I don't like OSX much from a visual or architectural standpoint
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, but the whole OS X project was a ripoff of FreeBSD.
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> I honestly think NeXT could've gone farther
[04:30] <Armando2> I could tell even by just using the ls command, same limiting options, no ls -FA avail
[04:31] <Armando2> you could say that was almost a show stopper for me
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Except the show actually stopped... and there was no appluase.
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> *applause.
[04:31] <Armando2> process creation and forking is much more slower in OS X innards for example
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I mean, if you've ever jailbroken an iOS device... it's Debian.
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Ripped into<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000000000000000000000000000000 tiny little pieces.
[04:32] <Armando2> really? that wouldn't shock me, given how portable debian is, honestly ,I would have guessed gentoo, but debian has standardized cross compiling
[04:33] <aiena> so they alter linux and sell it for so much - cheats
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Check the Cydia Store... has option to add APT repos and everything.
[04:33] <Armando2> I did hear about installing a deb-based user land indeed
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Well, not per se... iOS = OS X stripped down a bit
[04:33] <Armando2> And I would, if I had an iphone of some sort
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Don't expect it to work with actual Debian/Ubuntu packages though.
[04:34] <Armando2> no, I imagine it's a sort of ports system, that injects source patches to successfully compile on it
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> You would be right.
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> There's a team working on an open-source iOS device bootloader too. Get ready for the real Android-on-iOS experience.
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Not an official one, mind you.
[04:35] <Armando2> I've heard rumors as well
[04:36] <SonikkuAmerica> I've seen it in action
[04:36] <Armando2> the ABI is a near cousin to the android world, just gotta get into every nook and cranny of undocumented registers and memory regions with all the gadets hooked in
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> I'd talk more, but I must tune my heart and soul to the pillow on my bed. :) lol Or saw logs.
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Either one works for me. 'Night!
[04:37] <Armando2> likewise, my Wife commands me soon too, and to jog tomorrow morn, see you round sonikku
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Such a commanding wife. O_o lol Later!
[04:38] <Armando2> She Owns
[04:38] <Armando2> and I love it...
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Ahh... love and marriage... I'm not married yet.
[05:00] <aiena> exit
[05:25] <linux_unix-10> hello!
[05:26] <Kvasir> Hello~
[05:28] <linux_unix-10> Why is it that when I install a new program, it doesn't appear at the Applications Menu?
[05:32] <koegs> linux_unix-10: what did you install and where did you search for it?
[05:33] <linux_unix-10> I installed VLC and I searched for it in all the categories in the Application Menu.
[05:36] <koegs> linux_unix-10: it is not in Multimedia and is called "VLC Media Player"? how did you install it?
[05:36] <linux_unix-10> uisng ubuntu software center and videolan.org
[05:36] <linux_unix-10> sorry, i meant "using"
[05:37] <koegs> why videolan.org?
[05:38] <koegs> ah, ok, the button just opens the software center
[05:38] <linux_unix-10> software center did not work initially, so i went to the website and clicked on the download button for ubuntu
[05:39] <koegs> and if you press ALT+F2 and then enter vlc, does it start?
[05:39] <linux_unix-10> after that, firefox asked me to open the software center, allowed it
[05:39] <linux_unix-10> then the program was install thru the software center via videolan.org
[05:41] <linux_unix-10> i just thought of this:  restarting xfce. But i don't know if it will work nor how to do it.
[05:44] <koegs> normally it is not required
[05:44] <koegs> can you start vlc with ALT+F2?
[05:45] <linux_unix-10> yes, and it also appears in application finder, but not directly in the applications menu.
[05:49] <linux_unix-10> how to restart xfce?
[06:23] <aiena> koegs: is gimps clipboard different from the defualt xubuntu one ?
[06:24] <aiena> a print screen image (when copy to clipboard option is chosen) seems to copy the image into mypaintbut not into gimp
[06:24] <aiena> *mypaint but
[06:51] <linux_unix-10> how to restart xfce?
[06:54] <Unit193> Which part?
[06:58] <linux_unix-10> all of it
[06:58] <Unit193> Log out and back in.
[07:00] <heoyea> pull plug
[08:54] <xubuntu763> Hi
[08:54] <elfy> hello
[08:56] <xubuntu763> If I install today the ISO from 20130423.1 (yesterday) and the updates , would like to have the final version right?
[08:57] <elfy> yep
[08:57] <xubuntu763> okay "
[08:58] <xubuntu763> =) thanks elfy
[08:58] <elfy> welcome
[08:58] <xubuntu763> =)
[09:01] <aiena> xfce 4.10 rocks !! :)
[09:05] <Maccer> How do you map a shell script in the Application Shortcuts from Keyboard in XFCE? sh ~/script.sh "args" doesn't work.
[09:06] <aiena> I tried that it didnt work
[09:07] <aiena> same question here !
[09:07] <aiena> Maccer: maybe you can try using && to rn the multiple commands directly rather than use a script
[09:07] <aiena> *run
[09:08] <aiena> not tested it though
[09:09] <TheSheep> my guess is that ~ doesn't work, try a full path
[09:09] <TheSheep> also, make sure that the file is set to executable
[09:21] <koegs> Maccer, aiena, TheSheep: tested it, ~ does not work but /home/youruser/script.sh does work
[09:21] <aiena> thanks
[09:22] <Maccer> koegs: Yeah, I can confirm now. It seems like I needed a sleep delay. This script just simply checks for a running process and then proceeds to simulate key presses. XFCE could be grabbing the keyboard.
[09:22] <aiena> koegs: is there a way to disable docking in xfce 4.10 ?
[09:23] <aiena> i LOVE XFCE 4.10 but I dont like the docking bit
[09:23] <aiena> *I love
[09:23] <koegs> aiena: tiling or docking?
[09:23] <aiena> tiling i think
[09:23] <Maccer> You mean the little dock by default in xubuntu?
[09:23] <aiena> no
[09:24] <Maccer> Oh. I'm sure you could disable the tiling in the window manager preferences somewhere
[09:24] <aiena> 4.10 does not come by default with 12.04 lts i just installed it
[09:24] <aiena> when you place the window on the top it becomes half and snaps
[09:24] <TheSheep> aiena: what do you mean by docking?
[09:24] <koegs> yeah, window manager preferences, "Automatically tile widnows when moving towards screen edge"
[09:24] <TheSheep> aiena: ah, yes, you can disable it in window manager tweaks
[09:25] <aiena> TheSheep: I am new to linux xubuntu is my first distro in windows it is normally docking
[09:25] <aiena> koegs: THanks a lot
[09:26] <TheSheep> in windowa manager tweaks, in the 'accessibility' tab
[09:26] <TheSheep> aiena: I just don't know the terminology either in windows or linux
[09:26] <aiena> I dont know the terminology in WIndows
[09:26] <aiena> bah linux
[09:26] <TheSheep> anyways, that's it :)
[09:27] <aiena> WIndows is like making juice for me
[09:27] <aiena> anyways love linux now that I have it :)
[09:27] <TheSheep> I'm horribly rusty with windows, the last one I had was 98
[09:27] <aiena> only thing is that I cant get my graphic tablet to work inspite of installing wizardpen
[09:27] <TheSheep> aiena: is it a wacom?
[09:27] <aiena> TheSheep: ouch !! I loved 98 though it was the most stable windows
[09:28] <aiena> TheSheep: no that is the issue
[09:28] <aiena> wacom has drivers
[09:28] <aiena> for linux so no worries
[09:28] <aiena> maybe I'll just buy a wacom
[09:28] <aiena> TheSheep: do you know how to remove wizarpen
[09:28] <aiena> I had to compie the source
[09:28] <aiena> and add the ppa
[09:29] <aiena> it does not show up in synaptics
[09:29] <aiena> *compile
[09:29] <aiena> i mean add the ppa then compile the source :P
[09:31] <TheSheep> aiena: do you have a link to the howto that you followed?
[09:31] <aiena> one sec
[09:33] <aiena> TheSheep: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen
[09:33] <aiena> thats the source
[09:34] <TheSheep> aiena: 'make install' just copies the files all over your system, without actually tracking them in any way, or making a package -- so to uninstall it you just have to delete all those file manually
[09:35] <TheSheep> aiena: there is a list of files under Installed files
[09:35] <aiena> ok so just delete them and it is clean
[09:35] <aiena> is it safe to do that
[09:35] <TheSheep> yeah, unless they forgot to list something
[09:35] <aiena> or do i have to remove some other config files
[09:36] <aiena> ok
[09:37] <TheSheep> as for the ppa, there is http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[09:37] <koegs> next time, you can use checkinstall instead of "make install" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[09:37] <TheSheep> yeah, checkinstall will create a package while installing, so that it can be uninstalled with the package manager
[09:38] <aiena> thank you so much for the tip
[09:38] <aiena> as a noob i made that mistake :P
[09:39] <aiena> anyways I'll get better as I learn more shell commands :)
[09:39] <aiena> I know dos well
[09:39] <TheSheep> most howtos don't care about uninstalling, so they are written like that :(
[09:39] <aiena> so some of that knowledge transaltes here
[09:39] <aiena> TheSheep: yep thats crap
[09:39] <aiena> TheSheep: in linux there is no actual installing like in windows
[09:40] <aiena> does linux have a registry ?
[09:41] <TheSheep> aiena: actually the MSI are modelled after the linux packages, more or less
[09:41] <aiena> I think so
[09:41] <aiena> too
[09:41] <aiena> they are also scripts
[09:41] <TheSheep> aiena: linux has several different systems that are similar to registry in some ways
[09:41] <aiena> in OS's lots is borrowed lots is new
[09:42] <TheSheep> for example, the xfce4 configuration is kept in something like a registry
[09:42] <aiena> ok
[09:42] <TheSheep> you can run xfce4-settings-editor to browse that
[09:43] <aiena> there is no dynamic linking in linux right
[09:45] <koegs> what?
[09:45] <aiena> forget about it
[09:46] <aiena> I guess not
[09:46] <amar> hi..
[09:46] <koegs> aiena: i certainly guess "yes", but i am not sure what you mean :D
[09:46] <amar> hello i want to take some help with you
[09:47] <amar> i want to uninstall ubuntu my dell laptop
[09:47] <amar> can you help me how we can uninstall it??
[09:47] <aiena> is it a duakl boot
[09:47] <aiena> *dual
[09:48] <aiena> windows + linux
[09:48] <aiena> or pure ubuntu
[09:48] <amar> it is windows + linux
[09:49] <amar> see dell 2420
[09:49] <amar> i bought new laptop today and linux is alredy install in it..
[09:49] <aiena> ok you can use parted magic
[09:49] <aiena> it is actually gparted but only in a bootable form
[09:50] <aiena> and you can repartition the disk
[09:50] <aiena> and remove the partition and ubuntu
[09:51] <elfy> amar: do you intend for it to only have windows on it?
[09:51] <amar> yes
[09:51] <aiena> so you wish to remove the partition too
[09:51] <aiena> the ext4 one
[09:51] <aiena> and reclaim the space
[09:52] <amar> yes i want to remove all the partition and create new one..
[09:52] <amar> with the fresh window os..
[09:52] <elfy> if you let ubuntu install normally then you will need a windows disk of some sort to do the boot - or you'll end up with no boot
[09:52] <elfy> but tbh you should be able to remove the partition from within windows - it'll be the one it doesn't recognise probably
[09:53] <aiena> amar: I think as a windows user myself it would be better to use diskpart
[09:53] <aiena> are you familiar with the dos cmmand line ?
[09:53] <aiena> *command
[09:53] <amar> no..
[09:54] <amar> plz give me the commnad name..
[09:54] <aiena> amar can you boot into windows
[09:54] <aiena> first and come back on irc
[09:54] <aiena> then I can instruct you further
[09:54] <amar> irc??
[09:54] <aiena> on #ubuntu
[09:54] <amar> ok..
[09:54] <aiena> internet relay chat
[09:54] <aiena> what you are using now :)
[09:55] <amar> currently i m using webchat..
[09:55] <aiena> ok
[09:55] <aiena> webchat is an irc client too
[09:55] <aiena> only web based :)
[09:55] <elfy> amar: webchat is connecting to an irc channel
[09:55] <amar> i m in linux dashboard
[09:55] <aiena> amar one sec
[09:56] <aiena> before you go any further
[09:56] <aiena> do you have a full backup of your important data
[09:56] <elfy> not sure why you've come to the xubuntu support channel though ;)
[09:56] <amar> yes...
[09:56] <aiena> because we have to prepare for any emergencies
[09:56] <aiena> OK good
[09:56] <amar> i have no data in my laptop..
[09:56] <aiena> 2) is ubuntu unstalled on your windows partition
[09:56] <amar> before 2 hour i have purchaged.
[09:56] <amar> dds
[09:56] <aiena> or D drive ?
[09:57] <amar> so i dnt have any data in my laptop
[09:57] <aiena> ok doesnt make sense
[09:57] <aiena> anyways
[09:57] <aiena> ok boot into windows and come back on webchat
[09:57] <aiena> then will give you support
[09:58] <aiena> elfy removing xubuntu is also support right ???
[09:58] <amar> i have boot the windows in my system..
[09:58] <amar> yes..
[09:58] <aiena> :)
[09:59] <aiena> which version are you using xp/ wIN 7
[09:59] <aiena> WIndows 7 ?
[09:59] <amar> win 7
[09:59] <koegs> guys, this is the Xubuntu Support Channel, could you please take it to a query or a windows channel? thx!
[10:00] <aiena> amar I have to go for lunch !! WIll be back in a 30 minutes !!
[10:00] <amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...
[10:00] <aiena> will you wait
[10:00] <amar> wht is this??
[10:00] <koegs> amar: just install windows 7 and during the setup delete all the old partitions, then you are done
[10:01] <aiena> koegs he has a dula boot
[10:01] <aiena> sio he will need diskpart
[10:01] <koegs> does not matter
[10:01] <amar> shut up yar..
[10:01] <amar> fuck up guys..u cant help
[10:01] <koegs> if he wants to do a fresh and new installation of win7, he can delete the linux partitions during the setup
[10:01] <koegs> amar: please watch your language
[10:01] <aiena> koegs he does not want a fresh installation
[10:02] <koegs> aiena: [12:00:16] < amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...
[10:02] <elfy> aiena: regardless of that it's not xubuntu
[10:02] <aiena> he wants to remove linux + the ext4 partition and keep windows
[10:02] <aiena> I am guessing he is using windows and wants to keep the rest
[10:03] <amar> yes..
[10:03] <koegs> then it is all up to windows, not related to ubuntu nor xubuntu, please use a query
[10:04] <aiena> koegs: maybe this should be taken to private chat !!
[10:04] <aiena> amar
[10:05] <aiena> I dont know why priv chat isnt working
[10:05] <elfy> has left
[10:05] <aiena> no wonder
[10:05] <aiena> anyways didnt like his langiage
[10:05] <aiena> if that guy doesnt have patience
[10:05] <aiena> and cant be polite it sucks the life out of wanting to help someone (:
[10:06] <aiena> *langiage
[10:06] <aiena> *language
[10:06] <koegs> could have been so easy :D http://askubuntu.com/questions/151253/removing-grub-from-windows-system-after-uninstalling-from-withing-windows
[10:06] <aiena> he has t use delete partition option in diskpart
[10:06] <koegs> but thats all for offtopic :)
[10:07] <aiena> koegs: yes that is easy but that wont remove the ext4 partition
[10:07] <aiena> the ext4 partiton is invisible to windows
[10:08] <aiena> this would mean he cant reclaim the linux partition space
[10:08] <elfy> please take this to offtopic
[10:08] <aiena> so he'd have to use diskpart at the dos shell
[10:08] <aiena> elfy: topic over
[10:08] <aiena> brb
[12:38] <meerkat> hello. I'm looking for some torrents to seed for 13.04. Which xubuntu versions eat the most traffic?
[12:39] <Arpad2> i would like to ask how to make partitions on a 750gb hdd or should I install the whole as one partition?
[12:40] <elfy> Arpad2: depends what you mean - I'd not install to a 750Gb drive and have it as / personally
[12:40] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, ubuntu root system probably uses about 10 gigs max.  set a /swap of perhaps your RAM x 2, and then set a /home of whatever you wish for your data and user files
[12:40] <elfy> meerkat: I'm not sure
[12:42] <Arpad2> ram is 8gb, so 16 gb will be suffice?
[12:43] <elfy> again it depends what you want to do - but personally with 4Gb of ram here I've used kb's of my swap
[12:43] <Arpad2> I guess the rest should be used for the documents
[12:44] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, the 2 X RAM formula is a "rule of thumb" bit of questionable wisdom.  With 8gigs of RAM you should have no problems with suspend/resume ...
[12:46] <Arpad2> cfhowlett: ok , I will set it for 16 gb for xubuntu 12.04
[12:46] <Arpad2> i guess it won't be a problem ti upgrade
[12:46] <meerkat> 10 gb for / seems a bit small. Additional packages would increase the size needed, right?
[12:47] <elfy> my root is 15 - used 6.8
[12:47] <cfhowlett> meerkat, I run ubuntustudio with restricted extras and medibuntu.  my / is 6.8
[12:48] <cfhowlett> meerkat, 6.6 out of 16 gigs available
[12:48] <Arpad2> ok, thank you all for help :)
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, best of luck
[12:49] <elfy> cfhowlett: almost a snap there :)
[12:49] <elfy> Arpad2: have fun
[12:49] <Arpad2> thx:)
[12:50] <meerkat> cfhowlett, you are right. I am using only 8.9 myself. I guess I went overboard with 45GiB for the root partition. :/
[12:51] <cfhowlett> meerkat, I did fill the root once ,but that was cuz I didn't clean out the cache.  apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove fixed that right up
[12:51] <elfy> meerkat: well you never know - if you installed a whole bunch of games or something you might fill it up
[12:52] <cfhowlett> elfy, actually that's possible.  My windows steam shows about 60 gigs worth of portal at the moment, so ...
[12:52] <meerkat> too much space is better than not enough, for sure. Good thing Steam games are put in /home/
[12:53] <elfy> I don't use a seperate home :)
[12:54] <Arpad2> so for Steam games I will need a bigger partition?
[12:55] <elfy> I possibly would if I wasn't having a seperate /home - as I said ealrier it all depends
[12:56] <elfy> If I had all my data in home I'd be needing 600Gb
[12:56] <meerkat> Arpad2, if you have 3 partitions. swap, /, and /home/ Then putting 4-8 GB for swap and 15 for / you will have plenty of space in /home/ for steam games.
[12:57] <cfhowlett> meerkat, sadly, I never got steam to actually run on 12.04
[12:58] <Arpad2> yes, but first I would upgrade to 12.10
[12:58] <meerkat> my steam install is only 30 GB. That includes all source games released for linux, all goldsource, plus a bunch of indie games.
[12:58] <Arpad2> i guess its not an issue
[13:00] <Arpad2> but my live cd is xubuntu 12.04
[13:10] <GridCube> Arpad2, you can upgrade, its not the fastest way to install 12.10 but its a start, and tomorrow tehre would be 13.04 :3
[13:10] <GridCube> you could download 13.04 and go with that directly
[13:12] <Arpad2> I only have a phone, live 12.04 cd, laptop with no os, and usb flash drive
[13:16] <GridCube> oh then use the livecd to download the iso and use unetbootin to make a booteable flash drive :3
[13:19] <Arpad2> ok, I will try it
[13:19] <dBLOOD> Hi people
[13:20] <cfhowlett> dBLOOD, greetings
[13:20] <dBLOOD> anyone knows a console command to reconnect eth0?
[13:20] <dBLOOD> suppose the @&# connection gets terminated for whatever @&# reason...
[13:21] <dBLOOD> where #&@ does not equal #&@
[13:21] <TheSheep> dBLOOD: what kind of connection?
[13:21] <dBLOOD> anyway, is there some short "net reconnect eth0" or whatever console command?
[13:21] <dBLOOD> it's pppoe
[13:21] <dBLOOD> on eth0
[13:22] <TheSheep> I would wager that the command starts with ppp then...
[13:22] <dBLOOD> I'm searching for something similar like pulling out, than reconnect the cable
[13:22] <TheSheep> but I have no idea about pppoe
[13:22] <TheSheep> you might want to try to search the wiki or forums
[13:22] <dBLOOD> I thought it should have something to do with eth0
[13:23] <dBLOOD> I'm trying, but only that @&# wireless is everywhere
[13:24] <dBLOOD> there is something like "sudo dhclient* eth0"
[13:24] <TheSheep> !pppoe
[13:24] <dBLOOD> yeah, but I already have one set up
[13:24] <TheSheep> there is a part titled "Manual connection control"
[13:25] <dBLOOD> in the network manager, I even can see and change it's setztings, like login pwd and stuff
[13:25] <dBLOOD> thx TheSheep this is it
[13:28] <dBLOOD> Hi people!
[13:28] <dBLOOD> Just as I thought, it's NOT a pppd process
[13:29] <GridCube> dBLOOD, pppoeconf
[13:29] <GridCube> P:
[13:29] <dBLOOD> ?
[13:29] <dBLOOD> wait, checking
[13:29] <GridCube> dBLOOD, also man nmcli
[13:30] <GridCube> nmcli lets you disconnect and reconnect networkd adapters
[13:30] <GridCube> also choose wifi networks and whatnot
[13:31] <dBLOOD> pppoeconf was starting to set up a new connection
[13:32] <dBLOOD> never mind
[14:32] <meerkat> does xubuntu only have 2 versions? 32 bit and 64 desktops?
[14:33] <koegs> yes
[14:35] <baizon> meerkat: yes
[14:35]  * genii-around ponders the lack of ARM
[14:40] <WeNDoR> meerkat: what other options are there ?
[14:41] <meerkat> WeNDoR, i am not sure. That is why I asked.
[14:41] <meerkat> ubuntu and kubuntu seem to have 2 mac releases
[14:42] <WeNDoR> you can install xubuntu om mac too
[14:42] <meerkat> WeNDoR, is there an iso for that?
[14:42] <WeNDoR> the normal iso, i guess
[14:42] <WeNDoR> just boot it up and install
[14:42] <WeNDoR> http://www.maclife.com/article/howtos/install_linux_your_mac
[14:42] <meerkat> well, all right then. WeNDoR I am compiling a list of what to seed once 13.04 goes live.
[14:43] <WeNDoR> just choose xubuntu as your distribution
[14:43] <WeNDoR> should not be too hard ...
[14:50] <xubuntu880> hi all
[14:50] <WeNDoR> hi
[14:50] <xubuntu880> some one can help me?
[14:50] <WeNDoR> depends on what your problem is
[14:50] <xubuntu880> i cant install flash plugin
[14:50] <WeNDoR> ask
[14:50] <WeNDoR> ok
[14:51] <WeNDoR> install icedtea
[14:51] <WeNDoR> or something like that
[14:51] <xubuntu880> im a noob of ubuntu
[14:51] <WeNDoR> just run
[14:51] <WeNDoR> sudo apt-get install icedtea-plugin
[14:53] <xubuntu880> ok im installing
[14:53] <xubuntu880> thank
[14:53] <xubuntu880> a lot
[14:53] <xubuntu880> another think...
[14:53] <xubuntu880> :p
[14:53] <WeNDoR> thank me if it works
[14:53] <WeNDoR> oh wait
[14:53] <WeNDoR> don't install that lol
[14:53] <WeNDoR> that's for java, not flash
[14:53] <WeNDoR> my bad
[14:54] <xubuntu880> :)
[14:54] <WeNDoR> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer gsfonts-x11
[14:54] <WeNDoR> that should be for flash
[14:54] <WeNDoR> i hope
[14:55] <xubuntu880> ok im retryng
[14:56] <xubuntu880> 4 my other think..im using xubuntu from cd and i cant put it permanentely
[14:56] <xubuntu880> on pc
[14:56] <xubuntu880> it gives me an error
[14:56] <WeNDoR> what error ?
[14:56] <xubuntu880> it invite me to retry to install it
[14:56] <xubuntu880> but nothink
[14:57] <WeNDoR> i can't help you with the provided information
[14:57] <WeNDoR> provide an install log or something
[14:57] <xubuntu880> im a noob :)
[14:57] <xubuntu880> but i will try
[14:57] <xubuntu880> i want learn more
[14:58] <WeNDoR> good luck and have fun
[15:00] <xubuntu880> but can i ask to u somethink if iv a doubt??
[15:02] <elfy> there are plenty of people in here xubuntu880 - just need to ask and whoever see's and can answer will :)
[15:03] <xubuntu880> so gently
[15:08] <jimalo> excuse me here i am again
[15:08] <jimalo> the installation was successful
[15:09] <jimalo> but i cant see flash videos
[15:11] <TheSheep> !flash
[16:29] <lalondong> Guys
[16:30] <lalondong> how to setup keyboard shortcut in xubuntu?
[16:30] <lalondong> i'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, but using XFCE desktop environment cause Unity makes my computer slow
[16:33] <GridCube> lalondong, what kind of shortcuts?
[16:34] <GridCube> mediakeys usually depend on the media player, they have usually a setting you can enable to recognize them
[16:34] <lalondong> like in Ubuntu to access terminal faster, i just need to use Ctrl + Alt + T shortcut..
[16:34] <GridCube> lalondong, press the windows key ant t
[16:34] <lalondong> ahh, thanks it's working.;
[16:35] <lalondong> sorry, i'm new to this stuff..haha
[16:35] <GridCube> thats defined at >settings >keyboard >shortcuts
[16:35] <GridCube> you have a preset, of meta-t, meta-e and meta-f
[16:36] <GridCube> alt-f5 and alt-f6 are also set up
[16:36] <GridCube> and alt-f9 and alt-10
[16:38] <GridCube> alt-left-click-drag'n'drop will drag any window, regardless or where you click, and alt-left-clic-drag'n'drop will resize any window regardles of where you click
[16:39] <koegs> second one is right-click, GridCube ;-)
[16:39] <GridCube> P: correct
[16:40] <lalondong> cool
[16:40] <Arpad2> win8 van a laptopon, hogyan szabaduljak meg tole köszönöm!?
[16:40] <GridCube> alt-scroll-wheel at the window name bar will make it transparen
[16:40] <GridCube> thats some nordic language... correct?
[16:41] <Arpad2> HUn
[16:42] <Arpad2> distant relative to Finish :)
[16:42] <Arpad2> sorry it wasn't meant here
[16:42] <Arpad2> but I have a problem
[16:43] <Arpad2> win8 is installed on the laptop, and I don't know how to get rid of it and how to install the xubuntu
[16:43] <GridCube> !uefi
[16:43] <GridCube> Arpad2, ^^
[16:45] <Arpad2> ok, I'll read it, thx
[16:51] <foobar55> hi all - someone know about ?.gvfs problems with 12.04
[16:51] <foobar55> i try to connet two laptops but fail with gigolo
[17:02] <koegs> foobar55: how do you try to connect with the other laptop? which protocol?
[17:56] <kRush> is there going to be a beta 3? with the installer snafu I didn't get to test anything
[17:57] <baizon> kRush: release is tomorrow
[17:57] <baizon> kRush: i mean the final release
[17:57] <kRush> oh
[17:57] <Pici> I think thats a 'no', then.
[17:57] <kRush> yeah, that much I figured
[19:19] <fallore> hi everyone. i'm trying to put the xubuntu install iso on a bootable USB drive and i'm not sure which filesystem to select. can anyone help me out?
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> fallore:  I think ext4 should be fine
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> might be a clue in those links
[19:21] <Myrtti> at what point does it even ask that? I don't think it does
[19:22] <well_laid_lawn> it should ask at formatting the partition
[19:29] <meerkat> fallore, file system on the USB drive?
[20:18] <schreber> Is there a change log for what we're likely to see in xubuntu 13.04 ?
[20:19] <elfy> schreber: will be much as it was at beta - http://xubuntu.org/news/raring-beta1/
[20:21] <schreber> did they fix the gvfs (?) issue with thunar and the disappearing/re-appearing issue with network and/or trash?
[20:21] <elfy> no idea tbh - I've been missing for most of the cycle
[20:22] <elfy> but I've not noticed anything untoward with trash in thunar
[20:23] <schreber> well I've noticed the issue randomly honestly but it's a tad annoying since the issue wasn't present in xfce 4.8/debian variant
[20:24] <elfy> I would have noticed trash - I might have been missing but I've been using 13.04 constantly for 3 months or so
[20:24] <schreber> probably fixed if you've not noticed it in that time frame
[20:25] <elfy> k - best place to look would be bugs if you knew that there was one reported
[20:25] <schreber> was never too confident in running an alpha/beta on a main desktop
[20:25] <elfy> I always have the previous available :)
[20:25] <schreber> it was noted on the launchpad site, but not sure how active that is compared to other bug sites/trackers.
[20:25] <schreber> thank you any way.
[20:25] <elfy> welcome
[20:28] <schreber> have you noticed any improvements over 12.10 > 13.04 ? snappier, less resources (not like it's was bloated), general overall opinion of the new version
[20:28] <elfy> stable and smooth here
[20:29] <elfy> I can't comment on snappier as I upgraded hardware recently
[20:29] <schreber> sdd or standard hdd ?
[20:29] <elfy> standard
[20:29] <schreber> well that's good to hear.
[20:30] <elfy> I use nouveau ofr graphics - not had any issues with that
[20:31] <schreber> well i have a system using the generic intel video driver and another with an ati/amd card (which I suppose will be installable with the current ati/amd driver available on their website).
[20:31] <schreber> ahh, did you notice any issue with tumblerd (I think it's a bluetooth application/notifier)?
[20:32] <moetunes> tumblerd makes thumbnails
[20:32] <schreber> well drats, that makes no sense to me then
[20:32] <elfy> I'm much too old fashioned to have anything to do with bluetooth :)
[20:34] <schreber> as am I, but I noticed it installs something regardless of hardware (I've noticed the bluetooth icon on the taskbar)
[20:34] <elfy> I stop all that :)
[20:35] <schreber> moetunes: thanks for the information by the way
[20:41] <schreber> elfy, did you experience any issues once a release was finalized (doing something like apt-get upgrade to a alpha/beta release)?
[20:42] <elfy> no - but then it's been upgraded more or less constantly since I last installed it
[22:17] <Pinky> hi all looking for help updating virtualbox ...  . . .. ?  anyone
[22:17] <bazhang> updating how?
[22:18] <Pinky> i Keep getting errors ...
[22:19] <Pinky> im running u 12.10 have vbox 4.1.18 installed i would like to upgrade to 4.2.12
[22:20] <Pinky> i download the new ver..   tried to install   with package installer says     . .    Error breaks existing package virtualbox that conflict..
[22:21] <bazhang> dl'd the new version from where?
[22:21] <Pinky> offical web site virtualbox.org
[22:22] <bazhang> !find virtualbox
[22:22] <Pinky> under linux page i tried everyting on that page except uninstalling my current ver..
[22:23] <bazhang> so your first version was from within ubuntu
[22:23] <Pinky> sorry im new to linux .. so plz be patient
[22:23] <bazhang> !info virtualbox-ose
[22:23] <Pinky> 1st yes then 2nd i installed can't remember how
[22:23] <Pinky> this will be the 3rd  version
[22:24] <bazhang> you just said from the virtualbox site
[22:24] <Pinky> just a sec will give u url
[22:24] <Pinky> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads   got it from there
[22:25] <Pinky> using the 12.10 link amd64
[22:25] <Pinky> i tried yum install virtualbox-4.2 says can't find it
[22:25] <bazhang> yum?
[22:26] <bazhang> are you on fedora?
[22:26] <Pinky> that is a good question how do i know
[22:28] <Pinky> remember i'm new to linux/ fedora/ ubuntu
[22:28] <lderan> if you type this into a terminal window and press enter it should tell you "cat /proc/version"
[22:28] <bazhang> can you get to a terminal?
[22:29] <Pinky> says /proc/version command not found had to use sudo
[22:29] <lderan> or "cat /etc/issue" if that doesn't work
[22:30] <Pinky> buntu 12.10 / n /l
[22:30] <Pinky> ubuntu 12.10 /n /1
[22:31] <bazhang> why do you need the latest version of vbox?
[22:31] <lderan> ah try apt-get instead of yum :)
[22:31] <Pinky> dont really need it was just trying to update ...  tried that also  will give u the out put in a sec
[22:32] <bazhang> thats not the way to install software in ubuntu
[22:32] <bazhang> always best to stick with the package manager
[22:32] <Pinky> says unable to locate package
[22:32] <bazhang> you dl'd a deb, so apt-get wont be able to install that
[22:33] <bazhang> the problem of chasing the latest versions , is that you will always have to do it manually once you start
[22:34] <Pinky> it talks about adding  repository ....
[22:35] <Pinky> so once you manual add something you will most likey have to always maualy update it ...
[22:36] <bazhang> once you go outside of the customary official repos, you lose support
[22:37] <IdleOne> iirc the .deb from vbox will add the proper repo from virtualbox and will update the packages from that repo when they are available.
[22:37] <bazhang> is there a seriously good reason to get the very newest version
[22:37] <IdleOne> probably not
[22:37] <Pinky> nope
[22:37] <Pinky> just playing around
[22:37] <bazhang> why not play around in a vbox
[22:38] <bazhang> to play around on your own system is not a good choice. like adding many 3rd party repos, or PPA
[22:39] <Pinky> found that out have to reload whole thing 3 x this year ..
[22:40] <Pinky> PPA ?
[22:41] <bazhang> !ppa
[23:04] <brianfalcon> hola espero aprender mucho de linux aqui
[23:06] <Pinky> thanks for all your help
[23:06] <bazhang> !es | brianfalcon
[23:07] <brianfalcon> ok muchas gracias
[23:07] <brianfalcon> #xubuntu-es
[23:28] <oelsen> hi
[23:29] <oelsen> well I have a stupid question. how do i install a new package but keep the old system?
[23:29] <oelsen> somehow i have the feeling I only can upgrade the whole system at once
[23:34] <moetunes> oelsen:  try  sudo  apt-get unstall <some package>   in a terminal
[23:35] <moetunes> oelsen:  try   sudo apt-get install <some package>   in a terminal
[23:35] <oelsen> it installs the same. i just did that before i asked
[23:36] <moetunes> try adding an update in there
[23:36] <moetunes> sudo apt-get update
[23:36] <oelsen> that should update the äh, ports? (I used freebsd before)
[23:37] <moetunes> yep it finds out if there are new packages in the repositories
[23:38] <moetunes> !repos
[23:46] <oelsen> thank you for the support. I'll try that tomorrow


[08:03] <pragomer> hi. can you confirm that catfish (using catfish 1.4.4 under xubuntu 18.04.2) can NOT find content in eml files?
[08:03] <pragomer> i HAVE activated content search : http://i.imgur.com/p8N1bKW.png
[09:45] <xubuntu73w> Hi all ! I'm having an issue with xubuntu live usb stick.
[09:46] <gnrp> xubuntu73w: Tell your problem and then if anybody knows the answer, he will tell
[09:46] <xubuntu73w> While I add a new partition on the stick, the xubuntu live doesn't boot anymore in legacy
[09:47] <xubuntu73w> Just UEFI... And that's a problem for me, I would like to recover  the 2-way boot as before
[13:26] <reborn> Hello. Are there any options to get notifications for new firmware updates from lvfs? (fwupd.org) in Xubuntu? I have a supported Dell system and would like to install firmware updates as soon as they are available. I am running 18.04 LTS.
[14:54] <tomreyn> reborn: gnome-/ubuntu-software would list those lvfs / fwupd updates when they're available. i don't know whether xubuntu uses it, though. other than that, i *assume* (don't have a supported device i could test with) that   sudo fwupdmgr get-updates   would list available updates for your supported devices (which could, e.g., be forwarded to notify-send to show up on your desktop)
[17:56] <n-iCe> hi guys
[17:56] <n-iCe> hi, any idea why is my system mounting the usbs as root or with root access only
[18:10] <genii> Default ownership of a detected drive is root. If it has a filesystem which also supports linux permissions schemes, it will use that. So the root filesystem of the drive will always belong to root by default if it's something like ext2/3/4 or similar. If it's a foreign filesystem it will try to mount it with something like FUSE and give write when possible. So if you have a drive with linux filesystem and permissions on it, you need to have a folder
[18:10] <genii> on it which is owned by the user you want to be able to write there.
[18:11] <genii> Ownership of the partition itself cannot be easily altered, it is done during detection
[22:33] <evg19> i'm installing xubuntu and typing from it.
[22:33] <evg19> Couldn't find option not install any addition software. Is it possible?
[22:34] <evg19> i would like to have minimum installation
[22:39] <gnrp> evg19: Open the menu, type "software", and then you have kind of an "app store"
[22:39] <gnrp> ah, sorry, thought the other way round
[22:39] <tomreyn> the default ubuntu desktop installer has a minimal option, i don't know whether xubuntu has one. if you'd like no graphical desktop you can purge anything that looks like graphics incluiding xubuntu-desktop and install ubuntu-minimal.
[22:39] <gnrp> well, it is the minimal installation. You can remove components, but then things might break when you upgrade later on
[22:41] <evg19> yes, I remember i did minimal ubuntu installation somehow.  Now is time to restart. See you guys.
[22:50] <tomf> so, I have an issue where my system hangs for a second when I run sensors or if i8k is changing fan speeds -- I figure they're the same issue. Where should I start to figure out what is wrong?
[22:56] <tomreyn> tomf: hi, how did your benchmarks go? eny findings on the memory test?
[22:57] <tomreyn> *any
[22:57] <tomf> ooh! good reminder. I'll run that now.
[22:58] <tomf> I'm only living with this laptop until Sunday -- but I've got a free afternoon so I figured I'd look into this goofy sensor thing
[22:59] <tomf> it seems that a lot of people have fan issues with older dell systems
[23:00] <tomreyn> memtest86+ will probably take a night for its default 2 passes. might not be worth it if you'll pass it away on sunday, unless you want to make sure it's in as-good-shape-as-it-can-be-on-a-10+-year-old-system
[23:01]  * tomreyn bedtime
[23:01] <tomf> oh wow, I had no idea it took so long
[23:01] <tomreyn> good luck
[23:01] <tomf> thanks tomreyn -- sleep well


[00:25] <lifeless> penguin42: such a tag indicates the bug was reported on natty by apport, IIRC
[00:30] <penguin42> lifeless: Ah ok, I've been following bug 774434 for some time and it's still happening on qq
[00:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774434 in ubuntu "mouse pointer disappears in ubuntu (11.04 onwards...)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774434
[09:38] <jetole> Don't know if this is where I should mention it but we seem to have an outage in the repos
[19:33] <mapreri> i'd like to join the bugsquad team, but i don't understand if is necessary to present myself in ML or so on. i signed (a long time ago) the CoC, subscribed myself to the ML, read the bug triaging guide, and ask for joinig the the lp team. there are other things to do before start working on bugs?
[20:06] <Elbrus> mapreri: you can always work on bugs, you don't need to be a member of any team to do that.
[20:07] <mapreri> Elbrus, well, and any person can change the status of a bug (to the ones available, sure)?
[20:08] <Elbrus> status, yes, urgency, no
[20:08] <Elbrus> s/urgency/importance
[20:09] <Elbrus> indeed to have more powers, you need membership, but usually you get that easier when you are active
[20:09] <mapreri> Elbrus, sure, the importance filed is disable for the "normal" users
[20:09]  * Elbrus is not sure if bugsquad team has additional powers
[20:10] <mapreri> Elbrus, bugcontrol has additional power, isn't it?
[20:10]  * Elbrus is member, but hasn't noticed any difference
[20:10] <Elbrus> bugcontrol != bugsquad
[20:10] <mapreri> Elbrus, yep, i know, i don't understand if you a bucontrol or bugsuad member
[20:11]  * Elbrus is bugsquad member
[20:11] <Elbrus> but does not have much powers ;)
[20:12] <mapreri> Elbrus, yeah! so the aim of this team is ahve another icon in the personl account page on lp? :D good
[20:12]  * Elbrus is not sure...
[20:13] <Elbrus> I think it is mainly a commitment spoken out.
[20:15] <mapreri> well :)
[20:17]  * Elbrus is going to sleep
[20:18] <mapreri> Elbrus, well, thx for the explanations
[20:18] <mapreri> Elbrus, and when i want the membership i have to ask for it in the ML?
[20:45] <hggdh> mapreri: membership in bug-control? Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[20:45] <mapreri> hggdh, i already read :) thanks for the approving, anyway
[20:45] <hggdh> mapreri: my pleasure :-)
[20:46] <mapreri> :)


[10:39] <MrChrisDruif> philipballew; 'lo
[10:43] <philipballew> hello MrChrisDruif
[11:03] <Culiforge> hey all, I'm running 10.04 and have not customized the gui at all (that I'm aware of :). I have this issue wherein I mouse over the ubuntu icon in the upper left corner on the taskbar and a selector/chooser of the four desktop/workspace areas is presented. It's quite annoying and I'd like to turn it off.
[13:47] <r4y> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 and for some reason when I clear recent documents it keeps reappearing.
[14:12] <dsenator_> hi
[14:12] <nothingspecial> hi dsenator_
[14:13] <dsenator_> i cant seem to update my synaptic manger without having an error
[14:13] <nothingspecial> What is the error?
[14:14] <dsenator_> well, i have it on screen grab
[14:14] <dsenator_> where can i upload it for anyone to see?
[14:14] <dsenator_> Ubuntu 1?
[14:14] <nothingspecial> any image site, imagebin for example
[14:14] <dsenator_> but i dont know how to drop an image in UB1
[14:15] <nothingspecial> or type sudo apt-get update in the terminal and post the error here
[14:16] <dsenator_> http://imagebin.org/192464
[14:17] <dsenator_> same as from the terminal
[14:17] <dsenator_> here
[14:17] <dsenator_> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:17] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:17] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com natty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:17] <dsenator_> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release
[14:18] <dsenator_> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[14:19] <dsenator_> thats my plight
[14:19] <nothingspecial> back up your sources list then make a new one
[14:20] <dsenator_> how?
[14:20] <nothingspecial> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_bak
[14:21] <nothingspecial> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:21] <nothingspecial> Then use this http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php
[14:21] <nothingspecial> to paste a new one in.
[14:21] <nothingspecial> save close
[14:22] <nothingspecial> then sudo apt-get update
[14:22] <dsenator_> i shd paste these one by one right?
[14:23] <dsenator_> well, this is the first result
[14:23] <dsenator_> dsenator@dsenator-HP-Pavilion-dv6500-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_bak
[14:23] <dsenator_> mv: cannot stat `/etc/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[14:24] <nothingspecial> well you should have one
[14:24] <nothingspecial> what does ls /etc/apt say
[14:24] <dsenator_> next is this dsenator@dsenator-HP-Pavilion-dv6500-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_bak
[14:24] <dsenator_> mv: cannot stat `/etc/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[14:24] <dsenator_> dsenator@dsenator-HP-Pavilion-dv6500-Notebook-PC:~$ gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lis
[14:24] <nothingspecial> nedds a ' t' at the end
[14:25] <nothingspecial> sources.list
[14:27] <dsenator_> the apt/source.list opened a new white terminal like
[14:28] <nothingspecial> yep use the website I posted to make a new one to paste in
[14:29] <dsenator_> in the white one, right?
[14:30] <dsenator_> i did ans saved but there is a second tab saying untitled document 1
[14:30] <nothingspecial> don't worry
[14:30] <dsenator_> ok then
[14:30] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get update
[14:31] <dsenator_> sudo update in the original terminal or the new white one?
[14:31] <nothingspecial> any one
[14:31] <dsenator_> i get
[14:31] <dsenator_> dsenator@dsenator-HP-Pavilion-dv6500-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo apt-get updateE: Type ‘http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php’ is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:31] <dsenator_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[14:32] <nothingspecial> You've put to much in the sources.list
[14:32] <nothingspecial> hang on
[14:32] <dsenator_> ok
[14:34] <nothingspecial> should look like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/797167/
[14:34] <nothingspecial> make your list again using the website
[14:35] <nothingspecial> Don't just paste the link into it
[14:35] <nothingspecial> The website will generate a list for you
[14:35] <dsenator_> http://imagebin.org/192467
[14:35] <dsenator_> how do i do that, i just pasted into the new white terminal
[14:36] <nothingspecial> Go to the website
[14:36] <nothingspecial> select country
[14:36] <nothingspecial> select release eg oneiric if you are using 11.10
[14:37] <nothingspecial> Tick both Main Restricted Universe Multiverse Security and Updates
[14:38] <nothingspecial> Generate list
[14:38] <nothingspecial> then
[14:38] <nothingspecial> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:39] <dsenator_> on it
[14:39] <nothingspecial> then delete the link you pasted in there and paste the list you just generated in
[14:39] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get update
[14:49] <Arizona_Bay> is there any alternative with Skype i am having some real messed up privacy issues
[14:50] <dsenator_> nothing special, i just generated the list and it opened a page to me...
[14:50] <nothingspecial> yep
[14:51] <dsenator_> and...
[14:51] <nothingspecial> paste it into /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:51] <dsenator_> gksudo gedit... ? wheere do i paste this
[14:51] <nothingspecial> in a terminal
[14:52] <nothingspecial> yep
[14:52] <dsenator_> i mean earlier on yu said generate list  > then> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:52] <dsenator_> in the terminal right
[14:52] <nothingspecial> yep, remove the link you put in there already
[14:53] <nothingspecial> Then paste the list you generated in there instead
[14:53] <dsenator_> ok but where do i paste gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:53] <nothingspecial> in a terminal
[14:55] <dsenator_> i am confused
[14:55] <nothingspecial> what with
[14:55] <dsenator_> there are two things yu have asked me to paste here
[14:55] <dsenator_> the gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:55] <dsenator_> and the new one generated
[14:55] <dsenator_> talking about this first gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:55] <dsenator_> where do i put it
[14:55] <nothingspecial> start again
[14:56] <dsenator_> i have two terminals open the whote and the normal one
[14:56] <nothingspecial> forget everything
[14:56] <dsenator_> ok lets start again
[14:56] <dsenator_> step 1
[14:56] <nothingspecial> close everything then open a new terminal
[14:56] <dsenator_> open terminal and ...?
[14:56] <nothingspecial> in that paste
[14:56] <nothingspecial> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:57] <nothingspecial> remove the link that you pasted in it so it is blank
[14:57] <dsenator_> ok
[14:57] <dsenator_> done
[14:57] <nothingspecial> then paste the list you generated on the website into it
[14:57] <dsenator_> its a long page
[14:57] <nothingspecial> that's fine
[14:58] <nothingspecial> save
[14:58] <nothingspecial> close
[14:58] <nothingspecial> then in the terminal that you have open
[14:58] <nothingspecial> or a new one
[14:58] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get update
[14:58] <dsenator_> yu mean i shd select all the content from the new generated page
[14:58] <nothingspecial> yep
[14:59] <dsenator_> but it begins the page by saying ##### OFFICIAL UBUNTU REPOS
[14:59] <dsenator_> ###
[14:59] <dsenator_> shd i have to copy that too
[14:59] <nothingspecial> so it looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/797167/
[15:00] <nothingspecial> That's fine
[15:00] <nothingspecial> Anything with a # at the beginning isn't read by ubuntu
[15:00] <nothingspecial> but don't worry about that
[15:01] <dsenator_> ok
[15:02] <dsenator_> done but not yet saved
[15:02] <nothingspecial> save
[15:02] <dsenator_> i also have a heading saying
[15:02] <dsenator_> Getting the GPG keys:
[15:02] <dsenator_> with a few list
[15:02] <dsenator_> also Alternate layout for synaptic:
[15:02] <dsenator_> with its own list
[15:03] <dsenator_> do i have to copy all of these other lists one by one too or just the main big list you fifrst see on the oage
[15:03] <nothingspecial> just the main one
[15:03] <dsenator_> k
[15:03] <Arizona_Bay> any alternative for skype thats more secure?
[15:04] <dsenator_> Arizona there is voip stunt, mainly voice, not sure it does video and not sure of it with ubuntu
[15:05] <dsenator_> there is also oovoo
[15:05] <dsenator_> nothingspecial...saved now
[15:05] <dsenator_> i will close
[15:05] <Arizona_Bay> dsenator does it call people with skype acounts?
[15:05] <nothingspecial> then
[15:05] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get update
[15:05] <dsenator_> you  may have to explore that yurself... let me not mislead yu
[15:06] <dsenator_> nothingspecial, when closing the untitled doc wont allow close, it is asking me if i want to save changes to doc
[15:06] <nothingspecial> I thought you saved already
[15:06] <dsenator_> so i have the options- close without saving, cancel and save as
[15:06] <nothingspecial> save as
[15:07] <dsenator_> yeah i clicked save but the untitled doc isnt closing
[15:07] <nothingspecial> which untitled doc?
[15:07] <dsenator_> yet its an empty page
[15:07] <nothingspecial> don't worry about it
[15:07] <nothingspecial> just close without saving
[15:08] <dsenator_> like this here from the old screen grabhttp://imagebin.org/192467
[15:08] <dsenator_> http://imagebin.org/192467
[15:08] <dsenator_> you will see two tabs opened, one for the sources list the other is untitled doc
[15:08] <nothingspecial> is the new list in sources.list
[15:08] <dsenator_> but note that this is not the sources.list i  not have
[15:08] <dsenator_> just showing yu the two tabs layout
[15:09] <dsenator_> so when i close the save the untitled is asking me the question
[15:09] <dsenator_> but its empty
[15:09] <nothingspecial> do not worry about the untitled one
[15:09] <dsenator_> k
[15:09] <nothingspecial> just close without saving
[15:09] <dsenator_> k
[15:09] <dsenator_> done
[15:10] <nothingspecial> in terminal
[15:10] <dsenator_> back to terminal
[15:10] <dsenator_> ok
[15:10] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <dsenator_> running now, so i am waiting
[15:11] <dsenator_> it shd have given me error msg by now but its not, so it may just be working right, but waiting
[15:11] <dsenator_> awww, i still got it
[15:11] <nothingspecial> right
[15:11] <dsenator_> Reading package lists... Done
[15:11] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:11] <dsenator_> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:12] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5EC48884BB901940
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B302120208A255AF
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7B1AB59047B4D1C4
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 5A9A06AEF9CB8DB0 Launchpad PPA for Ubuntu Wine Team
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4874D3686E80C6B7
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release
[15:12] <dsenator_> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[15:12] <holstein> dsenator_: you should use a pastebin... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:13] <dsenator_> by the way when repackaging my list, i clicked everything i saw there, or almost all... multiversy, main, universe and their repos
[15:13] <holstein> looks like you have a few things you have added that are not loading
[15:13] <dsenator_> hey holstein
[15:13] <nothingspecial> everything
[15:13] <dsenator_> nice having yu again
[15:13] <holstein> maybe you want to wait and see if they 'come back to life'
[15:13] <dsenator_> :)
[15:13] <nothingspecial> should be just the ones I told you
[15:13] <nothingspecial> o/ hobgoblin
[15:13] <dsenator_> ah... hobgoblin too?
[15:14] <dsenator_> :D
[15:14]  * nothingspecial is talking about football today :)
[15:14] <hobgoblin> hello nothingspecial dsenator_
[15:14] <dsenator_> hi hob
[15:14] <holstein> hobgoblin gets an email alert when the channel is flooded ;)
[15:14] <dsenator_> lol
[15:14] <nothingspecial> lol
[15:14] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:15] <hobgoblin> just deciding whether I need to turn off the internets or not
[15:15] <nothingspecial> dsenator_, I have to go for a bit
[15:15] <dsenator_> hmm.. ok then
[15:15] <dsenator_> hope i sort this out somehow
[15:16] <dsenator_> thanks for your time nothingspecial
[15:16] <nothingspecial> hobgoblin, dsenator_ is having gpg repository/sources problems
[15:16] <nothingspecial> do you mind taking over for a while
[15:16] <dsenator_> holstein what yu mean by pastebin
[15:16] <phillw> dsenator_: if you have the list of the keys that are missing, you can manually add them https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeyServerInformation
[15:16] <hobgoblin> oh - got an apt update output?
[15:16] <nothingspecial> thaks
[15:16] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: someone will I'm sure
[15:16] <nothingspecial> back in a bit
[15:17] <hobgoblin> !paste
[15:17] <ubot2`> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[15:17] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: ^^
[15:17]  * nothingspecial has kids that need telling off :)
[15:17] <hobgoblin> lol
[15:17] <holstein> dsenator_: consider ppa-purge http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/ppa-purge-added-to-official-ubuntu-1010.html
[15:18] <dsenator_> ok ubot2 thanks
[15:18] <dsenator_> holstein... tell me
[15:19] <holstein> pretty self explanitory... it purges the PPA's and packages from them
[15:20] <dsenator_> just reading
[15:20] <dsenator_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[15:20] <dsenator_> thats what i get
[15:21] <holstein> dsenator_: feel free and elaborate... maybe use a pastei
[15:25] <dsenator_> do i go about using this... sudo ppa-purge -d <Ubuntu version> ppa:<the PPA to purge>
[15:29] <dsenator_> hey guys I think i managed to sort it out now
[15:30] <dsenator_> i did the process all over and did not tick too much stuffs like i did earlier on
[15:30] <dsenator_> generated the list
[15:30] <dsenator_> copied to sources list terminal > saved
[15:30] <dsenator_> and back to terminal for apt get update
[15:30] <dsenator_> and it fetched
[15:31] <dsenator_> ....Done
[15:31] <Sidewinder1> hobgoblin, Getting the flood email has somethin' to do with 'all that Forest Stuff."  ;-)
[15:31] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:33] <nothingspecial> dsenator_, did you get anywhere?
[15:34] <nothingspecial> o/ raju
[15:36] <dsenator_> yes i did
[15:36] <dsenator_> i started again based on your direction
[15:36] <nothingspecial> and
[15:36] <dsenator_> and i ticked the top stuffs the 4 of them and their repos plus recommedned update and important updates plus their repos
[15:37] <dsenator_> generated list
[15:37] <dsenator_> opened sourced list in terminat, got the second terminal, cleared it and pasted the new one
[15:37] <dsenator_> saved
[15:37] <dsenator_> and update in the other terminal
[15:37] <dsenator_> after running, its... Done
[15:37] <nothingspecial> \o/
[15:37] <nothingspecial> :)
[15:39] <nothingspecial> glad you got it sorted dsenator_
[15:39] <dsenator_> thanks man
[15:39] <dsenator_> this is only my second time here
[15:40] <dsenator_> i only knew about this place few days ago and then i met with hob and holstein
[15:40] <dsenator_> this was my issue tho but yet to be sorted until i have the time and understanding of what to do,
[15:40] <nothingspecial> watch out for that hobgoblin  ;)
[15:40] <dsenator_> its my partition thats messing, hobgoblin and holstein tried to help but until i try out stuffs then get back to them on it
[15:40] <Sidewinder1> +1
[15:41] <dsenator_> see image here http://imagebin.org/191758
[15:42] <nothingspecial> well you have a few options there
[15:42] <holstein> dsenator_: what did you decide to do?.. unmount, and wait a long time trying to expand, or just make a useable partition there?
[15:42] <dsenator_> hmmm...
[15:42] <hobgoblin> oh yea - /me remembers - still say the best option is to create a partition and mount it at boot to use it
[15:42] <holstein> thats where we left it
[15:42] <dsenator_> hob...
[15:43] <holstein> dsenator_: if you type hob and hit "tab" it will highlight hobgoblin
[15:43] <dsenator_> hobgoblin,
[15:43] <hobgoblin> then I know
[15:43] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:43] <dsenator_> holstein,
[15:43] <dsenator_> nothingspecial,
[15:43] <dsenator_> sweet
[15:43] <nothingspecial> \o/
[15:43] <dsenator_> dsenator_,
[15:43] <dsenator_> not me
[15:44] <hobgoblin> you can use /me for you :)
[15:44] <hobgoblin> looks slightly different when you do
[15:44]  * hobgoblin uses it a fair bit
[15:44]  * nothingspecial too
[15:44] <dsenator_> ok not me then
[15:45]  * nothingspecial jumps
[15:45] <dsenator_> right now i got to read for my exams tomorrow, so i shd quit here and come back to the topic of my partition later
[15:45] <dsenator_> or hobgoblin  could send me some email to follow
[15:45] <dsenator_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:45] <dsenator_> or anyone
[15:46] <nothingspecial> just right click the grey bit and choose new
[15:46] <nothingspecial> then choose ext4
[15:46] <nothingspecial> then click the green tick
[15:47] <dsenator_> ok nothingspecial
[15:47] <dsenator_> i am on it
[15:47] <nothingspecial> or if you want to use it with windows choose ntfs instead of ext4
[15:48] <dsenator_> i did what yu said nothingspecial
[15:48] <dsenator_> i added to ext4
[15:48] <dsenator_> but what green do i click
[15:48] <nothingspecial> do you want to use it with windows?
[15:48] <nothingspecial> or just ubuntu
[15:48] <dsenator_> no  never... NEVER
[15:49] <dsenator_> yesss UBUNTU
[15:49] <nothingspecial> click apply
[15:49] <dsenator_> done
[15:49] <dsenator_> applied
[15:49] <dsenator_> waiting
[15:49] <nothingspecial> Will take a few minutes
[15:50] <dsenator_> yeah but i get a result not sure of
[15:50] <nothingspecial> what is that
[15:50] <nothingspecial> ?
[15:50] <dsenator_> will post image now
[15:51] <dsenator_> http://imagebin.org/192470
[15:51] <dsenator_> nothingspecial,
[15:52] <hobgoblin> that looks ok - you have a new ext4 partition
[15:52] <dsenator_> how do i merge to existing
[15:52] <hobgoblin> lol
[15:52] <dsenator_> or not necessary
[15:52] <dsenator_> hobgoblin, ....
[15:52] <nothingspecial> what has happened to /dev/sda2?
[15:53] <dsenator_> i dunno
[15:53] <hobgoblin> windows ...
[15:53] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: you can now create somewhere to mount it at boot
[15:53] <dsenator_> now dont scare me pls...
[15:53] <dsenator_> hobgoblin, you need to talk in childlike english
[15:53] <Sidewinder1> sda2 thrown out the window> :D
[15:54] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: what do you want to call this new partition ? do you want it to appear on the desktop all the time or not?
[15:54] <nothingspecial> before it used 100.52 of 113.25GiB
[15:54] <dsenator_> Sidewinder1, OMG
[15:54] <nothingspecial> now there is a problem
[15:54] <nothingspecial> according to gparted
[15:55] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: probably closed dirty at some point in windows - gparted doesn't like that
[15:55] <dsenator_> hobgoblin, just merge to what i alrady have
[15:55] <nothingspecial> dsenator_, not necessary
[15:55] <dsenator_> whats not necessary nothingspecial
[15:55] <nothingspecial> you just have to own it now
[15:55] <nothingspecial> merging it
[15:55] <dsenator_> lol
[15:55] <dsenator_> ok... my adopted drive
[15:55] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: to merge it - delete it and then you are back at the this is going to take ages to do thing again
[15:56] <dsenator_> but how do i access it?
[15:56] <nothingspecial> ok
[15:56] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: what do you want to call this new partition ? do you want it to appear on the desktop all the time or not?
[15:56] <dsenator_> say to see it on my drive like hobgoblin  suggetsed
[15:57] <nothingspecial> right click it and choose add label
[15:57] <dsenator_> i will just leave it as it is
[15:57] <dsenator_> as long as it belongs to ubuntu
[15:57] <nothingspecial> it belongs to root atm
[15:57] <dsenator_> there is no ad label nothingspecial
[15:58] <nothingspecial> unmount first
[15:58] <dsenator_> just label
[15:58] <hobgoblin> I'll watch - too many cooks
[15:58] <nothingspecial> ok label then
[15:58] <nothingspecial> then give it a name
[15:58] <dsenator_> then it asks me for a name
[15:58] <dsenator_> and then what
[15:58] <nothingspecial> give it a name
[15:58]  * Sidewinder1 Popcorn.
[15:58] <dsenator_> yeah
[15:58] <dsenator_> popcorn?
[15:58] <dsenator_> hmmm
[15:58] <dsenator_> smh
[15:58] <nothingspecial> data, media, banana, whatever
[15:59] <dsenator_> banana?
[15:59] <nothingspecial> lol
[15:59] <dsenator_> so what next
[15:59] <nothingspecial> What did you call it?
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> That was an affirm to hoh's "too many cooks"..
[15:59] <dsenator_> nothing
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> hob's even.
[16:00] <dsenator_> called it New Media
[16:00] <dsenator_> nothingspecial,
[16:00] <nothingspecial> with a space?
[16:00] <dsenator_> yes
[16:00] <hobgoblin> eeew
[16:00] <dsenator_> y
[16:00] <dsenator_> wot
[16:00] <hobgoblin> try not to have spaces :)
[16:00] <nothingspecial> open the file browser
[16:01] <dsenator_> ok, renamed now without space
[16:01] <nothingspecial> you should see NewMedia in the sidebar
[16:01] <nothingspecial> click it
[16:01] <dsenator_> name unchanged
[16:01] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: as an aside - spaces can come back and bite you when you least expect or need it
[16:02] <dsenator_> hobgoblin,  i just removed the space
[16:02] <dsenator_> now it NewMedia
[16:02] <nothingspecial> have you opened it in the file browser?
[16:02] <dsenator_> nothingspecial, i can see the name in the gparted but not in file browser yet
[16:02] <nothingspecial> close gparted
[16:03] <nothingspecial> terminal again, sorry
[16:03] <dsenator_> its fine now... forgot to click apply
[16:03] <nothingspecial> sudo mkdir /media/NewMedia
[16:03] <dsenator_> and its ok
[16:04] <nothingspecial> sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /media/NewMedia
[16:04] <hobgoblin> or use /mnt if you do not want it to show on the desktop
[16:04] <hobgoblin> that would be /mnt/NewMedia
[16:04] <nothingspecial> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /media/NewMedia
[16:05] <nothingspecial> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_old
[16:07] <dsenator_> but its showing in the file browser now which is fine i guess
[16:07] <dsenator_> showing as NewMedia
[16:08] <nothingspecial> echo "LABEL=NewMedia  /media/NewMedia ext4 defaults 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[16:08] <nothingspecial> don't get that last one wrong ;)
[16:09] <nothingspecial> umount /media/NewMedia
[16:09] <dsenator_> am i still suppose to do these things yu say...?
[16:09] <hobgoblin> yes
[16:09] <dsenator_> i mean were they not becos i cld not see the name
[16:09] <nothingspecial> last one needs a sudo sorry
[16:09] <nothingspecial> sudo umount /media/NewMedia
[16:09] <nothingspecial> then test it with
[16:10] <nothingspecial> sudo mount -a
[16:10] <nothingspecial> done :)
[16:10] <nothingspecial> now I'm going for a cig :)
[16:10] <nothingspecial> brb
[16:11] <dsenator_> seem to work fine for me now
[16:11] <dsenator_> it unmounts via terminal
[16:11] <dsenator_> and i dont know what the sudo mount -a is to do but it seem to work, no error
[16:13] <nothingspecial> did it remount
[16:14] <nothingspecial> dsenator_, ^^
[16:14] <dsenator_> well when i click on it in file browser it mounts
[16:15] <dsenator_> and shows me the eject/play button
[16:16] <dsenator_> so yes it mounts and unmount i think manual clicking
[16:16] <nothingspecial> Well you still need to own it
[16:16] <dsenator_> ok
[16:16] <nothingspecial> with it mounted did you do
[16:16] <nothingspecial> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /media/NewMedia
[16:19] <dsenator_> done
[16:19] <nothingspecial> then you are good to go :)
[16:19] <dsenator_> to do what?
[16:19] <nothingspecial> put stuff in it
[16:19] <dsenator_> so i can just....
[16:19] <dsenator_> ok
[16:20] <dsenator_> but my windows partitions, what happened?
[16:20] <nothingspecial> nothing probably like hobgoblin said
[16:20] <hobgoblin> I'd boot windows and chkdsk it
[16:20] <nothingspecial> I really do have to go now
[16:20] <hobgoblin> or whatever it is now
[16:21]  * nothingspecial can smell roast chicken
[16:21] <hobgoblin> woohoo
[16:21] <nothingspecial> dinner time
[16:21] <hobgoblin> cya nothingspecial
[16:21] <nothingspecial> cya
[16:21] <dsenator_> http://imagebin.org/192477 nothingspecial see pls
[16:22] <dsenator_> hobgoblin, http://imagebin.org/192477
[16:22] <dsenator_> the info page from gparted
[16:22] <hobgoblin> dsenator_: do as it says - boot windows do the chkdsk thing
[16:25] <dsenator_> hobgoblin, on then
[16:25] <dsenator_> thanks for yur time guys
[16:25] <hobgoblin> welcome dsenator_
[16:25] <dsenator_> i gotta finish my study
[16:25] <hobgoblin> have fun
[16:25] <dsenator_> will checkdsk and see what happens later
[16:26] <dsenator_> and possibly defrag it, but i dont use windows anyway
[16:26] <dsenator_> cheers all
[16:26] <dsenator_> :D
[16:26] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:43] <Sidewinder1> The above problem 'may' have been caused by not defragmenting,,
[18:20] <hobgoblin> Sidewinder1: if memory serves correctly ds did not defragment or anything prior to installing ...
[18:22] <Sidewinder1> hobgoblin, I believe you're correct, although I'm not intimately familiar ds or dd; suffice to say that defragging NTFS/fat32 the Win OS should be used.
[18:23] <Sidewinder1> OIC, ds=desanator_  I been on here too long.. ;-(
[18:24] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:26] <nothingspecial> oh no, has something gone wrong?
[18:28] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: no - it's the error on the ntfs partition thing
[18:28] <Sidewinder1> Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong...
[18:28] <hobgoblin> they'd done that prior to anything else
[18:28] <nothingspecial> oh right
[19:03] <eyadof> hi guys i was using ubuntu since 10.04 there was an option called "windows behavior  " and i choose foucus on mouse over  and it's never change although upgrading system   now i want to disable this featurs on 11.10 somebody know how ?
[19:06] <mysteriousdarren> eyadof: regular ubuntu?
[19:06] <eyadof> yes
[19:07] <eyadof> i run it under unity
[19:17] <mysteriousdarren> can anyone help out with this? I am not familiar with it. Try #ubuntu maybe someone there can help.
[19:18] <eyadof> mysteriousdarren: i will do ,thx for helping
[19:18] <mysteriousdarren> eyadof: always happy to help, anytime
[19:18] <hobgoblin> eyadof: have a look here - I'd expect it will be the opposite of what you want http://askubuntu.com/questions/64605/how-do-i-set-focus-follows-mouse
[19:19] <hobgoblin> can't help more I'm afraid - it's easy to set or unset it in xubuntu though ;)
[19:19] <hobgoblin> and they've gone ...
[23:53] <benonsoftware> What permissions does /var/www need to be for wordpress to write to?
[23:56] <pleia2> writable by www-data
[23:58] <benonsoftware> pleia2: So what is the command for that?


 Anyone experiencing this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248  - Where windows resting on the edge of a workspace move into the next one when clicked in the launcher or via ALT+TAB, making it impossible to switch to these windows without manually going to the workspace.
[01:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834248 in unity "Oneiric: Non-maximized windows which sit on the border of a workspace move when called from another workspace (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[01:32] <htorque> valorin: confirmed your bug, but i'm not sure if that's not a compiz bug (don't worry, people will find out and re-assign if necessary)
[01:33] <valorin> Ah cool, thanks. It's present in Natty, and no one seams to have noticed or cared enough to fix it though :( Oneiric was all good until a week ago when it appeared agian...
[02:23] <valorin> htorque, I've updated the bug as jbicha identified a case where it wasn't working. It's actually being triggered when windows are against the LOWER edge of a bottom workspace, and called from an UPPER workspace. Make sense? Now, to wait for it to get some attention from the devs... Bug #834248
[02:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834248 in unity "Oneiric: Non-maximized windows which sit on the bottom edge of the lower workspaces shift downwards when called from an upper workspace. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834248
[05:45] <cjae> Im am pretty sure there is an issue when writing files to fat32
[10:14] <htorque> om26er_: hi! don't you think bug 835362 should rather get low priority? it's a. not really a bad bug and b. you'd need to hit a small time frame of maybe 100ms to trigger it.
[10:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835362 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "DND: Fails to drag items on the desktop if launcher bar starts to fade on mouse button release (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835362
[10:15] <om26er_> htorque, its a regression from previous version, it made me angry a few times as well ;-)
[10:15] <om26er_> i would drop the icon and it would come back to its place :/
[10:17] <htorque> ok, if it made you angry, then let's leave it at medium :P
[10:17] <om26er_> htorque, ;)
[15:36] <hggdh> OK. As of today bugzilla.gnome.org is not accessible from firefox (at least Oneiric): b.g.o certificate has expired, and bloody dumb Firefox does not provide a way to store an exception anymore.
[15:37]  * hggdh marvels on the blindness of programmers when faced with security issues
[15:37] <jtaylor> storing an exception is a security risk, it should be hard to do
[15:38] <jtaylor> thats current security practice
[15:38] <hggdh> but not impossible. Security that prohibits access no matter what is just plain dumb.
[15:38] <jtaylor> yes
[15:38]  * jtaylor not using ff
[15:39] <hggdh> even more on X.509, which is known to be a bag of potential problems
[15:40] <hggdh> of course, this is implementation-specific. Chromium allows access (via override) and visually marks the certificate as bad
[15:49] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm writing a bug pattern for bug 657829 re jockey
[15:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657829 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-gtk crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() (affects: 188) (dups: 203) (heat: 1762)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657829
[15:50] <pedro_> bdmurray, cool thanks!
[15:50] <jibel> is there some apport magic to report a bug about a release upgrade and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade automatically ?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> jibel: I thought update-manager bugs do that?
[16:01] <jibel> charlie-tca, nope. not in manual mode.
[16:02] <jibel> charlie-tca, nm, I attached the logs one by one no big deal.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> yeah, but it would be easier to if apport did it
[16:03] <jibel> agreed.
[16:30] <bdmurray> jibel, charlie-tca: an update-manager bug could be about just using update-manager or a dist-upgrade.  However, I guess it could ask you ... "Is this about a distribution upgrade from one release to another?" and then include log files...
[16:35] <bdmurray> Okay I'll fix this now
[18:43] <bdmurray> jtaylor: to be clear your bug pattern could apply to any package that uses mono?
[18:44] <jtaylor> yes
[18:44] <bdmurray> jtaylor: did you search for other duplicates?
[18:44] <jtaylor> technically all mono packages that install into the gac
[18:45] <jtaylor> bdmurray: yes although its possible I may have missed some
[18:46] <bdmurray> jtaylor: okay, great thanks!
[18:48] <jtaylor> thx for merging
[18:49] <bdmurray> no problem, it seems like it might be better to just prevent these from being reported altogether though
[18:50] <jtaylor> that would require an apport hook?
[18:51] <jtaylor> also I do want them reported for now, as it is not yet clear why this file gets modified so often
[18:51] <bdmurray> well if it was just one source package then you could use an apport package hook
[18:51] <bdmurray> because it is a multi-package thing you'd need to modify general-hooks/ubuntu.py
[18:51] <bdmurray> okay that makes sense then
[18:52] <jtaylor> the few reports we got up to now where not very conclusive
[18:52] <bdmurray> However, the bug pattern would redirect people to 805717 so you might want to put a general comment in the description if there isn't one.  "Hey how did you muck up this file?"
[18:53] <jtaylor> I put a general comment into it
[18:53] <jtaylor> "It is still unclear what causes the installation to get modified, please report if you remember what could have changed the installation (e.g. installing mono from source) and attach the modified /usr/lib/mono/2.0/mscorlib.dll to the bug."
[18:53] <bdmurray> okay awesome
[18:55] <bdmurray> pedro_: would you use a bzr hook if untagged a bug bugpattern-needed, tagged it bugpattern-written and unsubscribed ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[18:55] <bdmurray> er if it
[18:57] <pedro_> bdmurray, oh yes i would , totally
[18:57]  * bdmurray todos it
[19:35] <bil21al> i want to report a bug of ALT+TAb in which pakage it will be reported??
[19:36] <pedro_> what's the bug about?
[19:36] <bil21al> dextop is not shows
[19:36] <bil21al> destop
[19:37] <pedro_> desktop not being shown when you alt+tab ?
[19:37] <pedro_> that'd be perfect for me ;-)
[19:37] <bil21al> yes
[19:37] <bil21al> how??
[19:37] <pedro_> bil21al, if you're running unity, file it under unity
[19:37] <bil21al> ok
[19:38] <bil21al> pedro_ are u a ubuntu member i have seen ur comment on my bugs also???
[19:40] <pedro_> bil21al, i am , yes
[19:40] <charlie-tca> bil21al: pedro_ is one the busiest triagers
[19:41] <charlie-tca> He might even be Number 1 in the triagers
[19:41] <pedro_> bil21al, paste the link to that unity bug you're filing, probably there's going to be another person interesting on it :-)
[19:41] <bil21al> ok
[19:41]  * pedro_ been 'commenting' a lot about the alt+tab
[19:41]  * pedro_ hugs charlie-tca
[19:41] <bil21al> i m not filing man i m just adding more information
[19:41] <pedro_> charlie-tca, hello! :-)
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Hello, pedro_
[19:41] <pedro_> bil21al, find it? could you give us the link ? ;-)
[19:42] <pedro_> i'm feeling really lost with the alt+tab of unity
[19:42] <yofel> what does it do?
[19:42] <pedro_> and the focus of the apps, oh men
[19:43] <bil21al> great man nice to meet u u have also triaged my bug today in gnome setting
[19:43] <bil21al> pedro_ here is the bug bug/836315
[19:44] <pedro_> bug 836315
[19:44] <yofel> lp 836315
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836315
[19:44] <bil21al> yes yes this
[19:45] <yofel> bil21al: ubot won't trigger if you don't use 'bug<space>NUM' syntax
[19:46] <bil21al> mean?? yofel:
[19:46] <yofel> bug/386315
[19:46] <yofel> -> nothing happens
[19:46] <yofel> bug 836315
[19:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836315
[19:46] <yofel> see?
[19:47] <bil21al> hmm
[19:48] <bil21al> yofel u are also a triager  i have also seen ur name is it??
[19:48] <yofel> yep, although I don't do that much triaging these days
[19:51] <bil21al> ok but u are also a good person  and also a good triager  i have seen there.nice to meet you.
[19:52] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: fyi I'm ahead of pedro at the moment http://people.canonical.com/~brian/reports/mailing-lists/most-active-commenters.txt
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I am probably on the bottom of the list these days
[19:53] <charlie-tca> whew! pedro_ has a ways to go to catch you, too
[19:54] <yofel> heh, I'm somewhere in the middle with 18.
[21:13] <bil21al> yofe : here is a problem help me
[21:14] <bil21al> yofel
[21:14] <yofel> if would help if you told me the problem...
[21:14] <bil21al> see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/836315
[21:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836315 in unity "'Show Desktop' fails to hand focus to desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:15] <bil21al> what i do?? now
[21:16] <yofel> I don't know. I'm triaging ubuntu bugs. That bug isn't against ubuntu but against unity.
[21:16] <yofel> so not really our field of work
[21:16] <yofel> bil21al: it would probably help though if you told the exact version of unity you're using
[21:17] <bil21al> i m using latest updated oneirics
[21:17] <bil21al> 11.10
[21:17] <yofel> the bug doesn't say so, and add the package version that's currently in oneiric
[21:18] <yofel> apt-cache policy unity will tell you what you have installed
[21:21] <bil21al> i run that any info came now what i do now? ubuntu member can remove the comments.
[21:22] <yofel> huh? nobody can remove comments except launchpad admins IIRC
[21:22] <yofel> just add the package version and release to the bugs description
[21:23] <bil21al> hmm ok if i say sory or change the status than?
[21:24] <yofel> ok wait, I was mixing something up here
[21:25] <yofel> bil21al: ask the reporter to add the version of unity he's using to the bug
[21:26] <yofel> don't ask me more though, I'm not a unity bug triager
[21:26] <bil21al> by apport collect??
[21:26] <bil21al> ok
[21:26] <yofel> well no, apport would be for bugs against the unity package in ubuntu
[21:26] <yofel> that bug is filed against the unity project, not against the ubuntu package
[21:27] <yofel> find the bug supervisors for the unity project (probably in #ayatana) and ask them what they need so the bug is triaged
[21:27] <bil21al> ok
[21:28] <bil21al> thank you bro