[17:20] <rskumar> ducasse: ok so aftr next freeze (which I am awaiting), i will look into it
[17:20] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: yes. i've made some time ago a modification in grub to show me the old name of  NIC. i commented the line from grub but still the old name appears
[17:20] <Firefly67> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile/Crack-in-W540-screen-frame/td-p/2043716 - something like this happened to my laptop and it is now ruined
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, without going on the link, if you got a cracked screes there are ways to fix or replace
[17:21] <Quetzalcoatl> i expected to go back to the new name of NIC
[17:21] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, the line you refer to is, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
[17:21] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: yes
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but you would need to know someone who does hardware, or send of some where
[17:22] <Firefly67> yes, I want to save data off my current ubuntu laptop before it dies completely, and I wanted to learn how to partition windows/linux. But the latter is for next week, this week I am just trying to save my data off this machine
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, if your considerig buying a new lap top and wanting Linux on it
[17:22] <jaythelinuxguy> I have a friend with a strange issue and I'm trying to help him. He upgraded to a new hard drive, ST8000DM002. This drive insists on going into standby (heads parked) after inactivity. hdparm is disabled. Previous hard drive didn't do this. Have any of you seen this before?
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, well there are some pre installed Linux options, otherwise you got to deal with the world of UEI BIOS on most new lap tops now ah!
[17:22] <Firefly67> yes, I am buying a new laptop, but it won't arrive till next wek
[17:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, UEFI stu
[17:22] <rskumar> ducasse: Southern_Gentlem, I always see this eror 'vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device' .. can it be something causing freeze
[17:22] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, did you run update-grub after the mod?
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, oh you already bought one?
[17:23] <ChrisWarrick> Just curous, does Ubuntu support Macs in any way?
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, dual booting Linux on a new lap top can be tricky since what's called UEFI
[17:23] <Firefly67> no, ordered one, it won't arrive till next week
[17:23] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: no. i just restarted the machine
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, yes
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, however not majory
[17:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !mac
[17:23] <Firefly67> UEFI doesn't let you do dual booting?
[17:23] <ducasse> Firefly67: yes, uefi is much better imo
[17:24] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: define "majory"
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, it does, but it can get rtricky, depending on  which uefi set up you got and such
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, that was meant to say majorly
[17:24] <ducasse> Quetzalcoatl: there might be a udev rule that sets the name also, look in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but not majory
[17:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's mostly the community supporting macs
[17:24] <Quetzalcoatl> firefly:why dont you take out the old hdd put it in a desktop machine, and just copy the data you need over network?
[17:24] <pavlos> Quetzalcoatl, verify that /etc/default/grub has that line commented, run update-grub, and reboot
[17:24] <rangemonger> uefi can be great if its good one like gigabytes
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, also I found out that the 32bit so i3i86  ppc mac suppot  got dropped now, but that wasn't supported much anyway
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there was something the other week
[17:25] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: that’s understandable, there’s no reason to run Linux on a Mac
[17:25] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos: ok. i'll do that. ducasse: i'll check and let you know
[17:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, well thre is and isn;t
[17:25] <Lorne2016> Hi - my system won't boot and Im getting errors (I took a pic on cell phone - how do I share that here?)
[17:25] <rangemonger> theres no reason to run a mac :P
[17:25] <Quetzalcoatl> pavlos, ducasse: i'll be back shortly
[17:25] <ducasse> Quetzalcoatl: typically called 'persistent-net-something'
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, the Mac hardware can be quite nice, and Linux distros will give a much more free as in software freedom etc experience, than the propritary OS X one from Apple.  you understand what I mean right?
[17:26] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: it’s nonsense.
[17:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, however Linux people don't critise OS X and ioS as much, because there is open source stuff in there to,  it's based on BSD even I belive or partly.  where as Windows nah et
[17:27] <ChrisWarrick> SebthreeBQM10HD: If you want to run Linux, you can get a good PC for less.  :P
[17:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChrisWarrick, if you want to put Linux on your Mac though, and with OS X still there as well, it can be done! as for which distro is better for that than another,  well there are probably a  few ones with more support for that than Ubuntu really
[17:28] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, put on some old pc, or in a virtual machineI guess
[17:28] <rangemonger> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah, i do that now
[17:28] <ChrisWarrick> virtualbox doesn’t support windows 98 too well
[17:28] <Firefly67> what is the difference between USB and LiveUSB?
[17:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, nothing it will be the same
[17:28] <rangemonger> but i want to get a pci voodoo 3 and do passthrough on a kvm or xen vm
[17:29] <ChrisWarrick> Firefly67: One is a port, the other means a USB stick that has an OS on it you can boot into
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, an ISO for a Linux distro has to go onto a CD  or DVD or USB stick
[17:29] <rangemonger> that and an sb live
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, and booted from
[17:29] <ducasse> Firefly67: liveusb is the installer booted in 'try ubuntu' mode
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, an there's a live session for testing the compuer, which i f things work ok enough, can install from as well
[17:30] <Firefly67> oh I see. What is "try ubuntu" mode?
[17:30] <rangemonger> ideally id get a pci to isa bridge and also lock in an sb awe64 and nvidia 6000 series gpu
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the live session will use your harware for real, however it will only boot up into ram
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, so when the computer is turned offf or re bootd anything in ram will be gone,
[17:30] <Firefly67> so there is a parallel OS on the USB drive?
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not really, that's a real Ubuntu in the ISO
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the real Ubuntu version you downloaded
[17:31] <Firefly67> ok
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however a live session works more like a demo
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but for everythng it can do nearly or pretty muh everything an install can do
[17:32] <Firefly67> ok
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, however it  only is tempory booted up into the ram, so to use  for real more, you put on the hard disk
[17:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since nothing is remembered from ram
[17:32] <Firefly67> ok
[17:33] <Lorne2016> Hi - my system won't boot and Im getting errors (I took a pic on cell phone - how do I share that here?)
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67,  also on a new compter, might need to disable secure boot i the uefi settings, beore a  usb stk will bot up and things ike that
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016, an image site
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !image
[17:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !pastebin
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok thre we go it's got something about screen shots in there to
[17:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, which computer did you order?
[17:34] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[17:35] <Firefly67> Lenovo again, unfortunately. Maybe I should have ordered a Dell or something
[17:35] <Lorne2016> SebthreeBQM10HD thx...
[17:35] <rangemonger> lenovo was baller until they started putting malware in the bios
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016, when you got the pic up
[17:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Lorne2016,  show me/us
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, Lenovo Dell orHP you would get similar issues iwth uei
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, unfortnatly uefi makes it more difficult to put Linux on, than in the past with  old bios computer
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, thanks Microsot (sarcasm )
[17:37] <rangemonger> uefi isnt ms so much as secureboot is
[17:37] <Firefly67> yes, idk if I can partition it myself, without help
[17:38] <Lorne2016> imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw
[17:38] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[17:38] <SipriusPT> http://serverfault.com/questions/819844/not-able-to-forward-mail-from-external-domains-through-relays
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, apparnatly Mac had UEFI for ages, but actsaully works fine and better there
[17:38] <SipriusPT> anyone?
[17:38] <rangemonger> mac had efi
[17:38] <rangemonger> not uefi
[17:38] <engpy> I am new to ubuntu although. I have hard time to run apps. I install them but there is no executable file like windows? Some apps would run in terminal when I type; e-g python or firefox, some apps won't. And I don't know if where is launcher for each apps I install. I know it sounds dum but seriously I might be dum then :) The reason I installed and started to use ubuntu is to run some python scripts and 3.rd party programs to analyze
[17:38] <engpy> some bioinformatics data easier way, but life is not that easy with ubuntu atm :)
[17:38] <rangemonger> uefi is great if done right
[17:38] <rangemonger> asus and gigabytes uefi is baller
[17:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, I wanted to dual boot a HP lap top with UEFI/EI whaever the other week,  but unfortuatnly bumpted into certain issues o course
[17:39] <rangemonger> they do bios emulation
[17:39] <rskumar> engpy: first time ubuntu as well as linux?
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, not mine,  but  wanted to set up  on there or somemonee else, so he would have the optiion of both Windows and Liu
[17:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> x
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, just keep that in mnd that it may be a bit tricky to put Linux on at first, but that's since Microsoft insisted that alll new computers would have UEFI
[17:40] <rskumar> engpy: what os you used before ubuntu?
[17:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but there  people around in here who can help, when you get to that stage
[17:40] <engpy> Well you can say first time linux aswell rskumar
[17:40] <i_and_i> find your installed programs in the Dash
[17:40] <rangemonger> uefi was going to happen one way or another
[17:40] <Firefly67> is it easier if I only want linux then? I only use the Windows for making powerpoint presentations. I think that is still much simpler and easier to use than anything linux offers
[17:40] <MibixFox> grrrrrrrrrr
[17:40] <rangemonger> bios is such old tech
[17:40] <engpy> I used ios and windows
[17:40] <MibixFox> why is ubuntu so bad at importing these disks :(
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you could go Linux only and pretty much bypass UEI issues that way, but on occassion   for something or  the other it might be useful to have Windows still
[17:41] <i_and_i> which disks
[17:41] <Quetzalcoatl> it worked but i had to reverse the changes that i made in grub in order to access the net. now i have to solve why doesnt assign properly the ip stuffs
[17:41] <engpy> like 20 years :)
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, there's Libre Ofifice and such in the world of Linux,  but  you can actsaully get powerppoint itsel working probably as well, depending on version
[17:41] <Firefly67> yes, having Windows is useful, even if I go there like once in 3 months
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !wine
[17:41] <MibixFox> 3 of my disks have unknown data i_and_i
[17:42] <MibixFox> and i cant use them
[17:42] <MibixFox> they worked fine in windows
[17:42] <i_and_i> engpy hit the Super key and find your programs there
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, and there are commerical versions of wine to
[17:42] <Firefly67> Libre Office isn't as good, it messes up everything
[17:42] <rskumar> engpy: like windows, when you install applications, it may or may not be added in dash .. if there is launcher in that, you can find that app in dash..
[17:42] <Lorne2016> https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw   - sorry - there's the full link.  Anyone know what that error means?
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, the commerical vesibions such as Codeweaers make it easier to insall things like Microsot Office and have it working
[17:42] <i_and_i> Mibix what is the unknown data format ?
[17:42] <rskumar> engpy: and dash is like your windows start menu... press windows key to get dash
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, which version of powerpoint ?
[17:43] <MibixFox> its ntfs and all my other drives worked
[17:43] <rangemonger> if  one is running a xen kernal, does it say so with uname -a?
[17:43] <Firefly67> I have Windows 8 on this machine, so whatever powerpoint version came with that
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 2013 mybe then
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> i guess
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or something like that
[17:43] <rskumar> engpy: for python, you may want to run interactive shell, so open a terminal by pressing keys 'Ctrl+Shift+t'..
[17:43] <Firefly67> yes I think so
[17:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, yes you can probably Wine or  Codeweaers  powerpoint 2013 and have it working or most things
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, but you would need something to install it from still
[17:44] <ducasse> Lorne2016: it's a video driver problem, that's all i can tell you
[17:44] <kaza> hello
[17:44] <kaza> Does linux need any firewall for the usual works?  not for servers
[17:44] <engpy> rskumar, the only way I run my app is via terminal I figured out how to access it
[17:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, also didn't Mirosot even have like a online version o oice now, that inclued power point maybe ?
[17:44] <Lorne2016> ducasse thanks...yeah..that makes sense...
[17:45] <rangemonger> Firefly67: office 365?
[17:45] <engpy> and my problem as I said some installed apps is not on dash if you mean by dash the little bar on left
[17:45] <Firefly67> yes, I prefer the simplicity of just having Windows parallelly, but if it's too hard I might have to opt for linux only - I need linux
[17:45] <LolaCaramia> hello i was told that someone can help me here
[17:45] <rangemonger> Firefly67: linux with windows in a vm maybe?
[17:45] <ducasse> Firefly67: dualboot is easy to get going, don't worry about it
[17:45] <i_and_i> engpy no .. the Super Key ..(Windos Key)
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, you need Linux really why ? :)
[17:45] <Firefly67> I've used openoffice, staroffice, libre office - nothing is as good as powerpoint
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, yes probably, what's your issue ?
[17:46] <engpy> I use ipython to run scripts it serves well but suddenly my pc started to ask to run jupyter notebook instead.. oh boy I have too much issues to fix
[17:46] <i_and_i> in between the CTRL and the ALT key
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Firefly67, ok well have you got something to intall power point from then? if so you could try wine and such once Linuxed
[17:46] <rskumar> engpy: press the key with window icon.. before left alt key.. if you are using eng keyboard
[17:46] <LolaCaramia> i want to instal ubuntu from windows how can i do that?
[17:46] <ikonia> rangemonger: /win 5
[17:46] <ikonia> oops
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, where Windows would still be runnng, or where Windows would still be on the computer but not running?
[17:47] <engpy> rskumar, super key (win key) runs search when I hit it
[17:47] <i_and_i> lola download the Ubuntu installer, and install it
[17:47] <engpy> it says easrch in your computer
[17:47] <rskumar> yes, search your app by its name
[17:47] <Quetzalcoatl> kaza: running firewalls on computers is a good practice in my opinion, so i will say yes.
[17:47] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: copy the iso to a usb stick with rufus usb
[17:47] <i_and_i> yes engpy .. then type the name of yourprogram
[17:47] <rangemonger> ikonia: win5?
[17:47] <Firefly67> yes, maybe I could think about that if keeping windows becomes too difficult. My colleague couldn't manage to install both windows and linux, I think the system administrator said it was because he had Windows 10
[17:47] <ikonia> rangemonger: typo
[17:47] <LolaCaramia> when it is still running
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, there used to be a easy way to install Ubuntu from inside Windows.  using an instaler,  resulting ina dual boot, but that becae unsupported  for a few reasons.   the old standard way to dual boot still is fine though
[17:48] <i_and_i> downlaod the USB installer
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, to tr ?
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yy
[17:48] <LolaCaramia> sorry what is tr?
[17:48] <kaza> ok ty Quetzalcoatl
[17:48] <ahi2> install ubuntu by itself and then use windows in a VM if needed
[17:48] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, you are not talking about the new win10 feature ? bash in windows "a.k.a ubuntu in windows"
[17:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sounds like a virtual  machine you mean?
[17:49] <ahi2> yes
[17:49] <LolaCaramia> i have windows 10
[17:49] <engpy> i_and_i, rskumar, I do search my app name e.g hexchat what I get ton of files and dirs... so which one is basically my executable app or launcher?
[17:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you can try inside Windows in a virtual machine
[17:49] <rangemonger> VMs for lyfe yo :P
[17:49] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, and are you talking about that feature or do realt want full ubuntu
[17:49] <i_and_i> it is listed under "Applications"
[17:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia,  but to use for real it would be better to dual boot
[17:49] <ahi2> vmware is better than virtualbox
[17:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahi2, virtualbox is better than vmware :D
[17:50] <rskumar> engpy: under application group with its icon
[17:50] <ahi2> virtualbox has too many issues
[17:50] <rangemonger> ahi2: overall, yes, but they each do some things that are mutually exclusive
[17:50] <engpy> Alright I have it know yes sorry it puts under applications
[17:50] <i_and_i> HexChat icon should be in the taskbar after install
[17:50] <LolaCaramia> i ask as i did it before like five years ago i installed it from windows and it perfectly worked alone with windows
[17:50] <engpy> alright so you search and click from there
[17:51] <engpy> sounds reasonable :)
[17:51] <i_and_i> engpy you can use that same method to find all your programs
[17:51] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: that was a feature called wubi, they stopped offering that
[17:51] <rskumar> engpy: drag it to sidebar if you want to keep it there
[17:51] <MibixFox> http://imgur.com/a/H6GYa what do i do about this i_and_i
[17:51] <engpy> Thanks both of you
[17:51] <i_and_i> lemme see
[17:51] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, i dont think wubi is used anymore.. so diffrent these days
[17:52] <i_and_i> MibixFox.. no idea
[17:52] <rangemonger> its a shame, wubi was pretty decent
[17:52] <engpy> can I tell ubuntu to allow me run any app from terminal without finding it or being in the qapps dir?
[17:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, yeah  five years ago or so there was wubi,but that no longer is supported
[17:52] <rskumar> MibixFox: you want to clean everything and install  ubuntu?
[17:52] <MibixFox> clean everything?
[17:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, it also won't work with versions of  widows since like windows 8 I think
[17:53] <MibixFox> i just came from a windows install and i have ubuntu installed
[17:53] <i_and_i> 5.6 Terabytes nice
[17:53] <MibixFox> and now ubuntu isnt detected 3 of my disks
[17:53] <MibixFox> ya well i probably just lost 18tb
[17:53] <LolaCaramia> Oh I see so only way is to install it from dvd or flash so i never did it in such way how can i install it without damage windows
[17:53] <i_and_i> huh
[17:53] <LolaCaramia> ?
[17:53] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: either that or use a vm
[17:54] <i_and_i> Lola .. windows is already damaged
[17:54] <ducasse> MibixFox: were they set up in a raid or something?
[17:54] <Mathisen> i_and_i, no it is not.. no need to overdo it
[17:54] <i_and_i> :D
[17:54] <rangemonger> i_and_i: i second that
[17:54] <i_and_i> i had to say it
[17:54] <MibixFox> ducasse those two were in software raid 1 before but i broke the mirror before i switched to ubuntu
[17:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you could dual boot the proper way with partitions, but can also be a bit tricky with a Windows 10 computer
[17:55] <ducasse> MibixFox: and do you need the data on them?
[17:55] <MibixFox> yes
[17:55] <rangemonger> i will never do raid, too many horror stories
[17:55] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, what do you need ubuntu for ? what are you gonna use it for
[17:55] <i_and_i> just backup your old system
[17:56] <MibixFox> ducasse do you know how i can recover that partition?
[17:56] <i_and_i> then install
[17:56] <ducasse> MibixFox: looks like they are in a raid format linux does not support, so you're pretty stuck
[17:56] <MibixFox> grr
[17:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, what you want to do?
[17:57] <ducasse> MibixFox: if you configured them from windows, you need to rescue them from windows
[17:57] <LolaCaramia> ok so few weeks ago I have finished trainings of QA testing and I decided to remember how to work with linux as I didn't do it for many years
[17:57] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, then a VM will be good enough and will it is easy to get going.. no need to hasle with partitions and boot problems..
[17:58] <rangemonger> VM is the best for experimenting
[17:58] <rangemonger> because of save states
[17:58] <LolaCaramia> hasle?
[17:58] <rangemonger> much less hasle
[17:59] <rangemonger> def safer
[17:59] <ducasse> 'hassle'
[17:59] <LolaCaramia> could you please explain me how can I do that with VM?
[17:59] <Mathisen> yeah if you know what you are doing sure dual boot is great but like they said can be some issues with a uefi machine and win10
[17:59] <rangemonger> hasselhof?
[18:00] <Mathisen> LolaCaramia, just download virtualbox
[18:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, well Microsoft insisted on hardware manfactures to have a eature called UEI  on all newer computers since like Windows 8, which can make the world of dual booting right fun (sarcasm),  got to od certain things that didn't have to do before,  and it can vary a bit on computer, and get annoying
[18:00] <MibixFox> welp back to windows
[18:00] <Southern_Gentlem> well actusally it was intel
[18:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, feature called UEFI correcting that.
[18:01] <rangemonger> blame intel for uefi, blame ms for secureboot
[18:01] <Southern_Gentlem> correct
[18:01] <rangemonger> 64bit uefi is supported well now with big distros
[18:01] <rskumar> but both works without any hassle on windows ... lol
[18:01] <rangemonger> 32bit is still a headache though
[18:02] <Mathisen> i still just do legacy installs
[18:02] <rangemonger> Mathisen: im guessing you have a machine with bios emulation?
[18:03] <Mathisen> bios emulation ?
[18:03] <rskumar> uefi emulation
[18:03] <Mathisen> i have MB with UEFI suport
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, so on a newer machine, and if not that into this stuff
[18:03] <rangemonger> some UEFIs have bios emulation
[18:03] <Mathisen> okej i have no clue what the major diffrence is
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, could be eaiser to try the virtual machine again first.  get comfortalbe enough then try a dual boot for real later, espeically if you were a wubi user years ago
[18:04] <rangemonger> uefi doesnt need a bootloader or weird formats for a usb stick to boot
[18:04] <rangemonger> just copy the files to the drive and it boots, as long as theres a working efi folder
[18:04] <Mathisen> i ment the emulation part
but I also don't know how to do that with VM
[18:04] <rangemonger> bios emulation lets you boot non efi stuff
[18:05] <rskumar> rangemonger: you r correct.. some mbs have uefi with bios emulation
[18:05] <Mathisen> okej
[18:05] <rangemonger> rskumar: shame laptops never do
[18:05] <Mathisen> well i dont know then.. i just know i can switch from UEFI to legacy/CSM
[18:05] <_liam_>  is there a standard/most popular program when it comes to desktop widgets?
[18:05] <rangemonger> oh wait, ive come across one laptop that did
[18:06] <_liam_> I know there is screenlets, but anythig more popular?
[18:06] <rskumar> rangemonger: iirc, i had hp probook with this...
[18:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, UEFI can be a pain, so best to save that for a bit later I am thinking
[18:06] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: did you install virtual box?
[18:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, get comortalbe with Ubuntu in Virtualbox first
[18:06] <Zeranoe> Is there a guide available that goes through how to set up a Ubuntu LAMP server with using best practices? As in, virtual servers, permissions, etc
[18:07] <rangemonger> the one that had it was acer, atleast the one ive seen
[18:07] <rskumar> Zeranoe: best practices for production?
[18:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, but ok you haven't done a vm before, a virtual machine
[18:07] <krambiorix> how can i check if all tags in file A are also in file B?
[18:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, that's usaully quite easy to do with a program called Virtualbox
[18:07] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Yes
[18:08] <rangemonger> what i like about gigabytes uefi is that you can boot things on a per os basis
[18:08] <rskumar> Zeranoe: avoid VMs if you care performance.. look into docker container
[18:08] <nuentoter> ok so curious, the pc im on now has a broken kernel and os, im using live disk atm. Is there anyway to still run like an sql command so i can get my backups?
[18:08] <rangemonger> one os can boot in uefi mode, and another in legacy bios mode
[18:08] <LolaCaramia> пкуфе ерфтл нщг
[18:08] <LolaCaramia> sorry
[18:08] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Sorry, I meant virtual hosts
[18:08] <Zeranoe> rskumar: The apache HTTP configuration
[18:08] <Mathisen> rangemonger, even if same hd ? jusr diffrent partitions ?
[18:09] <LolaCaramia> great thank you I will find that soft and install it if there any extra questions I'll be back^)
[18:09] <rangemonger> Mathisen: i cant remember if it lets you on the same hdd but probably not since uefi booting requires gpt
[18:09] <rskumar> Zeranoe: oh.. that has nothing to do with ubuntu.. you can find some good refs on digitalocean.. their docs are good
[18:09] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Thank you
[18:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, hld on a sec
[18:10] <ducasse> rangemonger: false
[18:10] <rangemonger> ducasse: whats false?
[18:10] <rskumar> Zeranoe: like this - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[18:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, go to http://virtualbox.org downlad it for WIndows then
[18:10] <ducasse> rangemonger: uefi does not require gpt (except for windows)
[18:10] <Zeranoe> rskumar: What do you think of this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[18:11] <rangemonger> ducasse: yeah, i suppose youre right, since it just needs an uefi dir
[18:11] <clarkk> on ubuntu 16.04, when the mail indicator icon goes blue, I click on it and click thunderbird from the list that appears, but thunderbird does not come to the foreground. This worked on 12.04. Is there any way to resolve the issue?
[18:11] <LolaCaramia> downloading
[18:11] <ducasse> rangemonger: it's a bit complex, since many don't follow the uefi specs to the letter.
[18:11] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: get the extensionpack too
[18:12] <rangemonger> ducasse: hopefully that will clear up with time
[18:12] <LolaCaramia> I don't see that
[18:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, donload the UBuntu ISO desktop. I get it from  htttp://releases.ubuntu.com ubuntu desktop 64bit amd64
[18:13] <rskumar> Zeranoe: your choice... both good..
[18:13] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.10/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.1.10-112026.vbox-extpack
[18:13] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: assuming you got virtualbox 5.1.10
[18:14] <rskumar> what difference do Xorg.1.log and Xorg.0.log have?
[18:14] <Zeranoe> rskumar: Last question: as a point of organization, is it a good idea to create a user for each domain, and run their respective httpd sessions with suPHP?
[18:14] <apio> hello mates
[18:14] <rangemonger> greets n stuff
[18:15] <nuentoter> ok so curious, the pc im on now has a broken kernel and os, im using live disk atm. Is there anyway to still run like an sql command so i can get my backups?
[18:15] <LolaCaramia> ok guys I have download it everithing and ubuntu desktop too
[18:16] <rangemonger> nuentoter: im guessing yes but thats out of my league so i dont know for sure
[18:16] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: install vbox now, then
[18:16] <ducasse> nuentoter: can't you just copy out the db files?
[18:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LolaCaramia, you will have to re boot after installing virutalbox probably
[18:17] <nuentoter> that will probably be what happens but I would much prefer otherwise because I cannot directly reimplement a whole db back into it cleanly
[18:17] <rskumar> Zeranoe: if you want to go insane on security, make users per VH..
[18:18] <rskumar> Zeranoe: i usually dont use apache, but docker+nginx.. :)
[18:18] <LolaCaramia> started installation
[18:20] <rangemonger> i have to mess with docker, i keep hearing things
[18:20] <ducasse> noah2: copy the db files elsewhere on the disk, install a db server on the live session, point the db server at the db copy. might work.
[18:21] <ducasse> nuentoter: or try in a chroot
[18:21] <apio> hey ppl, has anyone fixed the automatic "reply with template" filter in tb?
[18:22] <apio> i have searched over the web and i havent seen any solution at all
[18:22] <nuentoter> hmmmm true
[18:22] <rskumar> rangemonger: its good, if you like the concept of bsd jail :)
[18:23] <LolaCaramia> everything is installed should I reboot my laptop?
[18:23] <rangemonger> rskumar: im going to have to give it a go soon
[18:23] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: yep
[18:23] <LolaCaramia> will be back soon
[18:24] <rangemonger> ok
[18:24] <rangemonger> YAY XEN
[18:24] <rangemonger> woooo
[18:25] <rangemonger> finally!
[18:25] <rangemonger> turns out having vbox installed makes xen no work
[18:26] <rangemonger> this is so baller
[18:27] <rangemonger> ikonia: it was vbox, uninstalling that let xen work
[18:29] <rangemonger> now ive gotta get a voodoo3 and an sb live
[18:32] <aicasn> hey folks - does ufw have a way to blacklist abusive ips? eg. if you have a rule permitting inbound tcp on port 25 (smtp) can you limit the connection rate to 15 per 5 seconds and anyone that goes over that gets shoved into the blacklist and ignored from then on
[18:34] <rangemonger> omg yes, the mouse works over a remote session on xen
[18:35] <LolaCaramia> I am here
[18:36] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: install the ext pack now
[18:37] <Sellerie> hello, can any1 help me?
[18:37] <LolaCaramia> I believe it was installed after main installaion at once
[18:37] <rangemonger> Sellerie: ill try
[18:38] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: you can see if its installed in the settings
[18:38] <rangemonger> theres an ext pack heading in there
[18:38] <rangemonger> LolaCaramia: basically the ext pack adds lots of usefull features that arent open source to vbox
[18:43] <LolaCaramia> so everything is installed
[18:44] <rangemonger> ok, im going to have to do this by memory because i just had to uninstall vbox for xen to work...
[18:44] <rangemonger> there should be a new button on there
[18:51] <pavlos> aicasn, this may help ... http://serverfault.com/questions/368523/rate-limiting-with-ufw-setting-limits
[18:54] <aicasn> thanks pavlos  :)
[18:56] <koroso> hey
[18:57] <mikeymop> is for horses
[18:57] <aicasn> that method will allow the ip after a certain amount of time. i'm looking for more of a smart blacklisting ability, where any ip that tries to start X connections in Y seconds is remembered and never allowed to pass again
[18:58] <aicasn> similar to this pf setup: https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/bruteforce.html
[18:58] <ducasse> aicasn: check out fail2ban
[19:01] <rangemonger> hmm, passthrough isnt taking on xen yet
[19:03] <aicasn> ducasse: my primary concern are smtpd spammers trying to break port 25
[19:03] <aicasn> fail2ban is for sshd only, no?
[19:04] <CodeHunterEx> lubuntu
[19:05] <CodeHunterEx> Howdy y'all.  I need assistance setting up a printer in Lubuntu 64Bit please.  I installed the Brother drivers but I don't know how to get it going.  Going to printers doesn't work.
[19:05] <CodeHunterEx> It is setup via wifi
[19:06] <CodeHunterEx> Settings - Printer only shows 'localhost'
[19:06] <ciccio> ciao
[19:07] <CodeHunterEx> Error: There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'failed to connect to server'.
[19:07] <ciccio> ciao
[19:12] <kang0> Who has 2 hours?
[19:14] <cvende> Hello all, I've got a very weird bug with Xubuntu on a samsung notebook: windows headers disappear, most keyboard shortcuts can't be used... What do you think it could be? X server mayhem? Improper grub cmdline config?
[19:18] <ducasse> aicasn: you can set up rules for whatever you want, there are included ones for tons of services
[19:22] <aicasn> i'll check it out. thanks :)
[19:22] <CodeHunterEx> I was able to solve the issue by installing cups and then re-install the Brother drivers.  I assume that cups wasn't properly installed although it was mentioned as being installed.
[19:23] <ducasse> aicasn: you can also run whatever you want when it triggers, included examples there as well. good luck :)
[19:32] <carl__> hallo
[19:37] <retrosenator> i have copied the tcz tcz.dep and tcz.md5.txt files
[19:37] <retrosenator> but tce-status reveals they didn't load
[19:37] <Aleksandar86> Can I with WEBMIN create new folder with FTP privileges?
[19:37] <cobreadmonster> Hey guys.
[19:37] <perlharbour[m]> Habibi
[19:37] <retrosenator> also tce-load silently ignores any path I provide to the files
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> Anyone has tried the new Dell XPS 13?
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> the one with Kaby Lake processors?
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> I'm considering buying one.
[19:38] <cobreadmonster> and putting linux on it.
[19:42] <wafflejock> cobreadmonster, more an #ubuntu-discuss topic this channel is just for support issues, I've heard good things but no personal experience
[19:43] <guest1110101> I'm trying to choose a 128gb usb for the boot loader installation and when I press install now for the installation I get "no root file system is defined" please correct this from the partitioning menu...
[19:44] <guest1110101> why is it telling me this and what do I do about it?
[19:45] <dankux297> Someone help me please!
[19:45] <guest1110101> yeah what dankux279 said!
[19:46] <dankux297> My dick is stuck in a Ubuntu PC! How do I get it out?
[19:46] <dankux297> XD
[19:46] <dankux297> no ban pls
[19:46] <nicomachus> !guidelines > dankux297
[19:46] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: You are in the initial install stages from the " something else " install option ?
[19:47] <guest1110101> indeed
[19:47] <dankux297> Alright, serious question, are Linux PCs easily hackable?
[19:47]  * nicomachus sighs
[19:47] <guest1110101> that is a difficult question fanux yes and no.
[19:48] <dankux297> Don't try it on me tho. It's just a question
[19:48] <nicomachus> dankux297: that's a better question for ##security
[19:48] <dankux297> I'll join that later
[19:48] <guest1110101> how about now.. shoo.
[19:49] <nicomachus> if you think your machine has been compromised, we can help to repair it. but I've never seen anyone on this channel answer those sorts of abstract questions because they aren't on topic here
[19:49] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: Ya want to return to the partitioning then and choose " change" and make sure that '/' (root) partiton is set up and that the mount point (/) is declared .
[19:49] <dankux297> ?
[19:50] <guest1110101> should I use it as an ex2  file system as well?
[19:50] <dankux297> Are all the other IRC networks working for you people? I can only join Debian and Ubuntu servers only
[19:50] <Cuzner> I have a very simple question that I can't seem to wrap my head around, I need to write a function based around the status of a running service (determine if it's running or not).  I'd like to do something other than a 'service --status-all|grep <service name>|grep "-"' or anything like that.  I need something that will give me a status code of 0 if running or 1 if not running, or something like that.
[19:51] <Cuzner> any build in mechanisms like that for systemd?
[19:51] <Cuzner> (16.04 box)
[19:52] <CodeHunterEx> If I wanted to try out the Mate DE would it be possible to install it and test it out without causing any problems with my current Linux (Lubuntu 16.04) or would it be better to use a Live CD/DVD?
[19:52] <dankux297> lol just vm
[19:53] <OerHeks> Cuzner, basicly systemctl status name.service > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30056280/test-if-a-systemd-unit-is-active-in-a-bash-script
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> That is another option.
[19:53] <Bashing-om> guest1110101: well .. lots of opinions as to the "best" file system .. but I am satisfied that ext4 for all-a-round-do-it-all is the better choice until you yourself know better what other to use .
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> dankux297
[19:53] <dankux297> Yes?
[19:53] <guest1110101> a virtual machine is definitely a good idea depending on what you intend to "test out" code hinter
[19:53] <CodeHunterEx> Your vm comment was a good one.
[19:54] <dankux297> Lel im a noob
[19:54] <Cuzner> OerHeks: perfect, TIL about 'is-active' switch, exactly what i'm looking for.
[19:54] <rangemonger> VMs are the best thing on computers
[19:54] <rangemonger> real life needsa VMs
[19:54] <rangemonger> *needs
[19:54] <guest1110101> not necessarily rage.. visit have their limitations depending on what you need to do.
[19:54] <guest1110101> vms
[19:54] <guest1110101> darned smart phone..
[19:54] <Cuzner> vms and docker containers... wheee
[19:54] <CodeHunterEx> I use a vm for runnin XP and a specific program that wine cannot run.
[19:54] <rangemonger> i know but theyre still awesome
[19:55] <CodeHunterEx> vms are great.
[19:55] <Cuzner> I'm in a hyper-v vm right now :D
[19:55] <guest1110101> much appreciated bashingom
[19:55] <nicomachus> great, everyone uses VMs. Now please stick to on-topic stuff.
[19:55] <dankux297> (CodeHunterx: Your vm comment was a good one) Sarcasm?
[19:55] <Cuzner> yeah, lets talk about zsh :D
[19:55] <rangemonger> xen is my new favourite thing
[19:56] <rangemonger> but i cant get passthrough on it yet
[19:56] <rangemonger> odd since it works fine in kvm
[19:56] <CodeHunterEx> No sarcasm dankux297.  It was a sincear comment because I shoulda thought of that myself.
[19:56] <dankux297> lol thnx
[19:56] <CodeHunterEx> You're welcome
[19:56] <Lorne2016> can anyone help solving my ubuntu graphic drivers problem?  I got a black screen...
[19:56] <lolguy_> Damn I can't add a network to xchat :(
[19:57] <dankux297> BSODs are back
[19:57] <rangemonger> Logan: plug your mon into another dvi port and reboot
[19:57] <rangemonger> oops wrong person
[19:57] <rangemonger> Lorne2016: plug your mon into another dvi port and reboot
[19:57] <rangemonger> that one racked my brains out for a while
[19:57] <Lorne2016> rangemonger I wish it were tht simple...
[19:58] <rangemonger> it was for me once
[19:58] <rangemonger> it was worth a shot
[19:58] <rangemonger> some drivers didnt do clone mode by default
[19:58] <CodeHunterEx> Computers aren't 'simple' in any way.
[19:58] <rangemonger> but on a rare occasion the problems have a simple answer
[19:58] <Lorne2016> rangemonder ...lol... I've made some progress with nomodeset ... but still can't get my system to boot itself
[19:58] <dankux297> If he's having a black screen, how tf can he see what's he's typing??
[19:58] <rangemonger> might as well rule those out first
[19:59] <rangemonger> hes likely on another comp
[19:59] <nicomachus> dankux297: please watch your language. that includes acronyms
[19:59] <dankux297> sowwy
[19:59] <Lorne2016> dankux297  lol... yes - second computer
[19:59] <dankux297> Why are ur text red?
[19:59] <nicomachus> dankux297: do you have an ubuntu issue?
[20:00] <dankux297> Lol im debian XD
[20:00] <nicomachus> dankux297: then please refrain from clogging the channel with pointless stuff.
[20:00] <dankux297> I'm here for no reason. But I do have some questions
[20:02] <dankux297> I have some trash that I can't restore. Any ideas?
[20:02] <nicomachus> dankux297: on debian?
[20:03] <dankux297> Yes? sowwy
[20:03] <nicomachus> you'll have to ask in a debian channel then. This channel is Ubuntu only.
[20:03] <dankux297> Accept the file pls
[20:03] <nicomachus> absolutely not.
[20:03] <nicomachus> do not send files to random users.
[20:03] <dankux297> XD
[20:03] <Cuzner> lmfao
[20:03] <Cuzner> do people still dcc shit?
[20:04] <dankux297> Jacob Sartorious Trash
[20:04] <nicomachus> Cuzner: language.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Tell the channel what the hardware is ( grahic's card ) and what kernel you are running .
[20:04] <dankux297> bye guys'
[20:05] <nicomachus> good riddance.
[20:05] <Lorne2016> My graphics prob: hardware is Nvidia GTX 970...on 16.10   http://termbin.com/spml
[20:05] <Cuzner> nicomachus: I'm not sure if that particular cuss worthy of banning though, i mean it's only bleeped out on american TV.  UK/Canada/AUS you can say "shit" on TV
[20:06] <Cuzner> pretty sure they can't get in trouble for it in the house of commons either.
[20:06] <nicomachus> Cuzner: feel free to read the !guidelines
[20:06] <Cuzner> roger
[20:06] <squinty> !language
[20:06] <Cuzner> !guidelines
[20:06] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om thanks for the suggestion... is ubuntu version the same as kernel?
[20:07] <Cuzner> oh, this is like an official channel, no wonder it's so full, i can understand why you'd want to keep it family friendly.
[20:07] <Lorne2016> Cuzner ...full?   I thought al those people were the bodies of folks who waited for help...till they perished...
[20:08] <Cuzner> k, i got a good chuckle out of that one
[20:08] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: no, kernel version and ubuntu version are different.
[20:08] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Most times - neglecting if HWE is at play . then yes the release and kernel will be the same .
[20:08] <Cuzner> but i got my question answered right away...
[20:08] <itchycops> Hi.  :)  I've got a question about writing an init.d script to start a process.  Should I just ask, or is there a specific channel for help requests?
[20:08] <nicomachus> find kernel version with uname -r, find ubuntu version with lsb_release -a
[20:08] <Cuzner> OerHeks is the man
[20:08] <nicomachus> !ask | itchycops
[20:09] <itchycops> Ah.  Thx.
[20:09] <Cuzner> itchycops: is it 16.04+?  you probably want to use systemd tools
[20:09] <Lorne2016> nicomachus how do I find the kernel?  (assuming I'm logging in from livecd)
[20:09] <Cuzner> Lorne2016: uname -a
[20:09] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: from a terminal, type < uname -r >
[20:10] <Cuzner> or -r
[20:10] <nicomachus> you can use -a but it gives a lot of unnecessary info
[20:10] <Cuzner> yeah
[20:10] <Cuzner> it's just habitual
[20:10] <itchycops> I'm writing an init.d script to start a program that someone else wrote.  It's not written to be a daemon, but I'd like it launched at boot time.  The problem is, the process starts, but doesn't seem to 'let go' of the init script.
[20:11] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I'm on 16.10, but I'm just using what's already there.  There are tons of startup scripts in /etc/init.d/.
[20:11] <Cuzner> itchycops: yeah, it's for legacy support
[20:11] <sadme> hi, my ubuntu 16.04 system takes a stupidly long amount of time to boot up - how can i find what the problem is? systemd-analyze tells me that 3 minutes (!!!) was spent in 'userspace' but doesn't offer any insight on how to fix it - can anyone point me in the right direction?
[20:11] <nicomachus> itchycops: valuable reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[20:11] <itchycops> Well, having already written 99% of it, I'd prefer to stick with it, although I'll consider using systemd next time.
[20:12] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Booting up a liveUSB will not directly give you what kernel is in the install . How much time do you want to expend on " learning to fish " ?
[20:12] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  lol...none.  I just wanna repair this beast and get on my way!
[20:12] <sadme>  guess i'll just reformat
[20:12] <ioria> sadme, systemd-analyze blame
[20:12] <Cuzner> haha nicomachus
[20:13] <Cuzner> i was about to link that to him
[20:13] <nicomachus> great minds google alike
[20:13] <sadme> ioria: there's nothing there - 4 seconds for apt, 1 second for some lvm2 thing - but that's all. nothing that could account for the >3 minute boot time
[20:13] <Lorne2016> Bashin-om 4.8.0-22-generic  (but that could be the version of the stick!  and not what's supposedto be on my harddrive)
[20:13] <itchycops> Anyway, is there a way I can indicate inside my init script that I'd like to put the program into the background?  I've tried appending an ampersand to the options, but that didn't work.
[20:14] <Cuzner> itchycops: you can probably still use much of what you've written, we're just suggesting you packge it up for systemd instead of using the legacy stuff... Might as well do it the right way the first time, right?
[20:14] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K :).. can you boot to the GUI - degraded is acceptable - with the nomodeset boot parameter ? . better yet to a terminal from the log in screen (crl+alr+F1) . and we see about the driver and what we need to install .
[20:14] <Cuzner> the link nicomachus sent you shows you how
[20:14] <ioria> sadme, let's press esc and follow the boot process in text mode ...
[20:15] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  YES!   (can you give me 15 mins tho' - gotta get the kids from school... be right back)
[20:15] <itchycops> I'm reading that, but I just spent a day figuring out how to write this, so I hope you can understand "Start over again with this new thing" isn't an optimal answer.
[20:15] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Always here is at your pace :)
[20:15] <nicomachus> itchycops: but you spent a day writing it for a deprecated system.
[20:15] <nicomachus> there shouldn't be too much to change
[20:16] <Cuzner> yeah, most of it can probably be ported over with minimal effort
[20:16] <itchycops> I don't have a problem reading 10 pages, but I have a minor complaint about something that works and was shipped by default with the system.
[20:17] <sadme> ioria: hiw can i do that? lressing escape while booting has no effect, all i see is the boot animation
[20:17] <nicomachus> itchycops: is it working now?
[20:17] <itchycops> deprecated means "will not supported in the future" — I get that.  And I'd be delighted to write anything new with it, but at this precise moment in time, I have a minor inconvenience, and throwing away another entire day to read about how to do it the right way, is, while correct, not a great solution.
[20:18] <itchycops> Yes, it works with the minor complaint that when I start it from the command line, it hangs and doesn't return.  I can CTRL-C out of it, and get back to the command line, and the process continues to run in the background, but I'd like to fix that.
[20:19] <Cuzner> if you don't like learning new ways of doing things, systems administration's probably not for you.  but, for the sake of solving your problem, have you tried just forking a subshell with '&' on the end of whatever service you're trying to start?
[20:19] <nicomachus> itchycops: there's an awesome support community at #systemd but that would require changing it over to the systemd way of doing things.
[20:20] <itchycops> I don't have a problem learning new ways.  But I've asked a simple question, but nobody's even attempted to help answer the question that I asked, the response has been "start over".
[20:20] <nicomachus> no, it's been "do it right"
[20:21] <itchycops> There are two dozen processes being started this way, out of the box.
[20:21] <itchycops> If there's no support for it, it should be removed from the distribution entirely.
[20:21] <Cuzner> you realize you just responded to my comment where i did give you a suggestion and you seem to have ignored it? :P
[20:21] <Cuzner> but i'm still with nicomachus on this one, do it right the first time.
[20:22] <Cuzner> but if you do want to keep doing it wrong, try forking it with &
[20:22] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I already explained that I've tried that, and you seem to have ignored it.  :P
[20:22] <Cuzner> ah, no, i guess i just missed it, lots of scroll in this channel :D
[20:22] <itchycops> >> Anyway, is there a way I can indicate inside my init script that I'd like to put the program into the background?  I've tried appending an ampersand to the options, but that didn't work.
[20:22] <itchycops> Cuzner:  Yes.  ;)
[20:23] <nicomachus> have you tried && exit?
[20:23] <nicomachus> at the end?
[20:23] <itchycops> I've got a CMD='/path/to/command' and OPT=' -list -of -options &' in the script, but it didn't change the behavior.
[20:23] <guest1110101> are you still here dankux
[20:23] <ioria> sadme, any progress ?
[20:24] <itchycops> nicomachus:  If the program doesn't exit/go into the background, I'm not sure that the 'exit' command would ever run.
[20:25] <dankux297> Someone help me please
[20:25] <itchycops> In much the same way bash && exit wouldn't exit until bash stopped running.
[20:25] <Cuzner> have you tried 'bash -c <commands & options> && exit'?
[20:26] <dankux297> There's this annoying trash that I'm unable to delete in my Wastebasket
[20:26] <evilytwisted> Hi, could any of you guys help me understand unetbootin?
[20:26] <dankux297> There's this annoying trash that I'm unable to delete in my Wastebasket
[20:27] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: what are you wondering?
[20:27] <itchycops> Cuzner:  Same issue though…  If I the program I run in the shell doesn't return, it'll still be stuck.
[20:27]  * Cuzner shrugs
[20:27] <Cuzner> out of ideas, do it the correct way :)
[20:27] <sadme> ioria: i had to reboot into a different os to deal with something, i will try in a second. i think i can use this technique to boot in text mode http://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst
[20:28] <ioria> sadme,  a bit old, you're using systemd
[20:28] <itchycops> Cuzner:  I suspect the problem will be the same, since the program isn't designed to be a daemon.  I suppose I'll leave it as is for now, since it's functional, but I will read up on systemd for the next time.
[20:28] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  to start off i have win10, im trying to use unetbootin to install linux without the use of cd or usb
[20:28] <itchycops> Thanks for your time, folks.
[20:29] <ioria> enable text boot with sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target   and restore gui with sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[20:29] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  ive tried to install linux, it creates a bootloader for unetbootin, BUt it doesnt do anything after
[20:30] <rangemonger> still have the linux iso handy?
[20:30] <ioria> evilytwisted, why not rufus ?
[20:30] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: ^
[20:30] <rangemonger> thats what i was going to say
[20:30] <rangemonger> rufus
[20:30] <nicomachus> ioria: he says he's trying to do it without CD or USB
[20:30] <evilytwisted> im on win10, I dont have a cd or usb device
[20:30] <evilytwisted> will rufus work without those 2
[20:30] <ioria> nicomachus, i see ....
[20:30] <maslen1> How can I get the list of direct dependencies for a package? I don't want the full list of all the packages the dependencies require.
[20:30] <rangemonger> ooh
[20:30] <nicomachus> evilytwisted: no, rufus makes USBs
[20:31] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok - you there?
[20:31] <rangemonger> its possible but not easy
[20:31] <evilytwisted> thats why i was trying to use un.
[20:31] <ioria> evilytwisted,  what do you want to accomplish ?
[20:31] <rangemonger> you need to install grub with a tool like easy bcd
[20:31] <rangemonger> and then add the iso to grub
[20:31] <evilytwisted> ioria,  install linux without the use of usb/cd
[20:31] <rangemonger> get easy bcd
[20:31] <ioria> evilytwisted,  booting iso from grub ?
[20:31] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: if you're on Win10 why not use hyper-v?
[20:31] <evilytwisted> i dont have grub installed yet
[20:32] <wedgie> maslen1: apt-cache show <package> lists the dependencies
[20:32] <evilytwisted> wouldnt know how to use hyper-v
[20:32] <Cuzner> do you want to run this box as your desktop?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Yeah .. back .. are you at a terminal ? And are you familiar with using a pastebin site ?
[20:32] <Cuzner> run it as a VM in win10
[20:32] <Cuzner> best of both worlds
[20:32] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: easybcd installs grub easily
[20:32] <sadme> ioria: oh, how do i disable the splash screen using systemd?
[20:32] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  ok, once thats done. how would i install linux?
[20:32] <ioria> evilytwisted,  it's really twisted then :þ
[20:33] <evilytwisted> ioria,  hence my name XD
[20:33] <nicomachus> like, evily twisted
[20:33] <evilytwisted> nicomachus,  actually its evil y twisted
[20:33] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: Hyper-v comes with win10, you just have to add it, it's under 'windows components' or something, then you create a VM, attach the iso, voila.
[20:33] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - I'm typing on 2nd computer... 1st computer is booted to "try ubuntu" with a terminal open ...yes, familiar with concept of pastebin (but need to be fed the commands)
[20:33] <evilytwisted> y is spanish for and
[20:33] <nicomachus> evilytwisted: this channel is english only. :D
[20:33] <rangemonger> evilytwisted: easy bcd lets you also mount an iso to grub
[20:33] <evilytwisted> nicomachus,  blasphemy :P
[20:33] <evilytwisted> rangemonger,  oh ty
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: you're normally a windows guy right?  you want to experiment with linux or something?
[20:34] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  i have oracle vm already. and it doesnt do anything.
[20:34] <Cuzner> run it in a vm
[20:34] <ioria> sadme, try to edit /etc/default/grub   ; replace quite splash with text; sudo update-grub  ; and reboot
[20:34] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  nah. ive used linuxmint opensuse, fedora core 4, mandrake, mandriva, puppy linux. windowmaker
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: i'm running this box i'm on right now in hyper-v, it's 16.04 ubuntu
[20:34] <Cuzner> EPIC5-1.1.11 (Lucubrations) + LiCe v5.3.0 (axur)
[20:34] <evilytwisted> etc...
[20:34] <evilytwisted> linux has its usefulness
[20:34] <ioria> *quiet
[20:34] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: sure it's useful, i've made a living off of it for the last 15-20 yrs
[20:34] <BadCodSmell> I'm trying to figure out the apt source code. Does RunScripts actually only run user configured scripts (hooks) and not part of apt?
[20:35] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K. we want to boot up the target machine . check/install a driver . Need that you boot up that install to either the recovery consile or preferrably a console interface .
[20:35] <Cuzner> but i'm not going to run it for a desktop if i don't have a reason to
[20:35] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  why not? linux is a fully well desktop replacement
[20:35] <evilytwisted> and it can game.
[20:35] <Cuzner> i would agree if you're a power use using i3wm or something
[20:35] <wedgie> maslen1: or    apt-cache depends <package>
[20:35] <evilytwisted> nah, get cinnamon.
[20:35] <evilytwisted> cinnamon or kde is well eyecandy licisous
[20:35] <Cuzner> but if you're going to install linux to run gnome, you may as well stick with win10 and run it in a hyper-v vm
[20:36] <BadCodSmell> hmm don't worry it's almost certainly that
[20:36] <nicomachus> nothing wrong with good ol' Unity desktop, but this is all getting off-topic
[20:36] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - so you want me to attempt to boot to a terminal without the stick (?)... I have been successful at that once going thru the machines own grub...but sometimes the grub menu doesn't show!!
[20:36] <evilytwisted> nah gnome is like mac......  if i would install anything. t would be linux mint
[20:36] <evilytwisted> ty rangemonger
[20:36] <evilytwisted> for the advice
[20:36] <rangemonger> np
[20:37] <Cuzner> evilytwisted: still, you sound like a guy who wants to learn more linux, you can do that without slowing down your productivity by getting used to a new desktop OS...
[20:37] <Cuzner> but to each his/her own.
[20:37] <BadCodSmell> there's no such thing as a desktop OS
[20:37] <BadCodSmell> It's made of wood
[20:37] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: If there is bit ubuntu installed . then grub "should" not show by default . Now depending on if this machine is newer (uefi) one can get the grub menu -> soon as the bios screen clears press and hold a shift key .
[20:38] <evilytwisted> Cuzner,  yeah of course. But linux has /is awesome.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> bit/but*
[20:38] <Cuzner> it's the correct tool for the job the majority of the time
[20:38] <Cuzner> but i don't like it any more or less than windows
[20:38] <Cuzner> or OSX for that matter, or FreeBSD
[20:39] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  yeah - I'm holding the shift key like my life depended on it...and it doesn't show!  I have gotten it to show before...but unsure how to repeat that feat
[20:39]  * Cuzner is proud to be OS agnostic
[20:39] <Cuzner> :)
[20:39] <nicomachus> Cuzner: that's a great topic of discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:39] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om and the system is newer and I believe UEFI
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:40] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: :et us then sday this is a EFI machine .. then it is the escape key that grub looks for . soon as the bios screen clears spam that escape key .
[20:40] <Cuzner> nicomachus: agreed, sorry to get off topic, i'll shaddap :)
[20:41] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: ^ there is only a 3 second window of opportunity and grub moves on .
[20:41] <rangemonger> if its uefi, just make a fat32 partition and copy the cd contents to it
[20:42] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I got grub!!
[20:42] <rangemonger> as long as its a 64bit ubuntu and your uefi is 64 bit, it should give you a boot option
[20:42] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om - so i want advanced options...then 'c' for command line?
[20:43] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: :) so what results booting the highest version kernl listed ( top one ) . with that kernel selected. press the enter key .
[20:44] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om the top one is Ubuntu with linux 4.8.0-30-generic
[20:44] <nicomachus> that's what I've got here.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K .. that is the 16.10 release kernel . soon as we get a command line we go to work and find out what the condition is .
[20:45] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  ok - with that top option... I get this error https://imgur.com/gallery/BD7Lw
[20:46] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: running an Nvidia GPU?
[20:46] <ioria> Lorne2016, nomodeset already tried ?
[20:46] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om Do I need to reboot?  (btw:  I have 2 monitors plugged in... the Nvidia card is the one I want to use...that error msg came off the monitor plugged into the motherboard output)
[20:46] <nicomachus> ohhhhh
[20:47] <nicomachus> it's trying to use nouveau drivers to power the intel chipset on the mobo?
[20:47] <sadme> ioria: thanks, i'm making progress- now i csn see where it hangs. it seems to be take a very very long time setting up the encrypted home directory
[20:47] <Lorne2016> ioria Nomodeset has allowed me to boot "Try Ubuntu" from a stick... I'm not sure how to nomodeset regular startup ...I get a GRUB$ ...not a regular one - and don't know what to do
[20:48] <ioria> sadme,  how did you encrypt it ...  with the default installer ?
[20:48] <sadme> yes ioria, i just ticked the box that said 'encrypt my home dir' when i installed
[20:49] <ioria> Lorne2016,  in /etc/default/grub
[20:49] <pingwindyktator> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.1. I've got some apps running on screens but occasionally those app are killed. What might cause the problem?
[20:49] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Ouch !! a write faullt ! .. yukie poo . Try this: reboot and bring up the grub menu -> 'e' key for edit mode - fo down to the line starting with linux, and replace "quite splash" with fsck.mode=force . key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process. let us hope that the file system (fsck) checker will fix the file system for us .
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, which programs
[20:49] <ioria> sadme,  we need to know more about your configuration ... usually it works fine
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, which programs
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> ^ well, you see I'm not joking. weechat was killed
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: weechat and my python irc bot
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anything else?
[20:50] <pingwindyktator> didnt tried
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ram graphics card?  but terminal stuff should work on like anythin
[20:52] <dankux297> Guys, I can't delete these annoying trash in my Wastebasket titled JacobSartorious.jpg and Sweatshirt.mp3
[20:52] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: it's DO VPS, 512MB ram. it happens since few days
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator,  oh a server as well?
[20:52] <pingwindyktator> yup
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, ok faulty hardware possibly ?
[20:52] <sadme> ioria: thank you for the help so far - i'm glad to have narrowed it down this much.
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> faing hardwae?
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> failing
[20:53] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - did that.... my motherboard monitor is full of stuff... gimme a sec i'll post
[20:53] <Pici> pingwindyktator: How are they failing?
[20:53] <ioria> sadme,  ok ....
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, Pici can probably help better
[20:53] <Pici> pingwindyktator: er, I mean, hwne are they getting killed?
[20:53] <pingwindyktator> i don't think its hardward thing. I mean - DO should handle this
[20:53] <dankux297> Can u guys suggest a really simple paint editor? Not XPaint or GIMP
[20:53] <pingwindyktator> Pici: how can I see any details? It's "Killed" showing up, nothing more
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dankux297, sure there are a  few nothing comes to min though, though except for tuxpaint
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dankux297, ok tha's more for kids, but still
[20:54] <nicomachus> dankux297: please stop asking questions in here unless they are related to Ubuntu issues.
[20:55] <OerHeks> tons of paint apps https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/department/painting/
[20:55] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om https://imbur.com/gallery/qrrjh
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: reading ^ .\
[20:55] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om https://imgur.com/gallery/qrrjh    typo...sorry
[20:56] <nuentoter> is there a way to run a program from the computer I am running a live disk from?
[20:56] <OerHeks> maybe they are available too on your debian, dankux297
[20:56] <Pici> pingwindyktator: Have you made any changes recently?
[20:57] <dankux297> And what about an Audio Editor that analyzes a .jpg into an audio file? Spectrum shiz
[20:57] <nuentoter> I would really need to run a mysql report on this pc
[20:57] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ...it showed that for a bit...then turned the monitor off...
[20:58] <dankux297> Like converting images to audio... Reason: Hidden messages
[20:58] <nuentoter> i know if i get chroot access i can do things from the install, but when I try to run a report it says i need to install those programs, but they exist on the install pc, just not on the live disk
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: We have a problem . 'init failed -110 ' write fault at XXXXXX "
[20:59] <pingwindyktator> Pici: they are security updated set up to take place automatically, nothing more
[20:59] <dankux297> Mr. Robot intensifies
[20:59] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   sounds ominous...have I borked it?
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Unfortunately, I do not have the experience with systemd (16.10) to have the knowledge to know how to deal with this. Others here will have to guide us .
[21:01] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK thanks...urgh...wish this were easier...
[21:02] <pingwindyktator> Pici: how can I see which app killes those on the screens?
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: It does not look good . But let's see what wiser heads here can advise .
[21:02] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK thx.  I'm hoping those wiser heads chime in... anytime folks...
[21:03] <Pici> pingwindyktator: I'd look at /var/log/syslog to see if anything obvious jumps out
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: systemd is a whole new ball game, and I do not know who to ping here for assitance . we see who volunteers .
[21:04] <pingwindyktator> Pici: I'll wait till next kill and look there
[21:07] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok...If it helps...I'm not averse to downgrading to 14.04 (if it won't screw it up worse)... (meanwhile I'm getting great at opening grub!)
[21:07] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Does any OS work on this machine? That error message seems like it may be the result of bad RAM.
[21:07] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U I had 14.04 working great on it for about a year...then yesterday, the system said it needed a re-boot ...and its been broke ever since
[21:08] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U and of course it seems to work from LiveStick fine too....
[21:08] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: can't hurt to try a memtest anyway
[21:09] <Lorne2016> nicomachus  great.. how do I do that from grub?
[21:09] <nicomachus> Lorne2016: should be an option listed that says "memtest86" or something like that
[21:10] <Lorne2016> nicomachus nope.  I see only 3 options Ubuntu, Advanced Options, System Setup ... (and system setup doesn't work)
[21:10] <nicomachus> check under advanced options
[21:10] <nicomachus> I don't remember where it is... haven't seen Grub in awhile
[21:11] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: Lorne2016: Unfortunately memtest86+ doesn't support UEFI. You can try memtester from your system booted via LiveUSB, but the liveUSB working fine suggests my hypothesis was incorrect.
[21:11] <nicomachus> ah
[21:11] <nicomachus> TIL
[21:11] <pingwindyktator> Pici: Out of memory: Kill process 26449 (weechat)
[21:11] <pingwindyktator> well..
[21:11] <guest1110101> Okay now that my installation is done, it had me restart and eject disk. now I'm faced with a minimal bash like line
[21:11] <guest1110101>  it says grub>
[21:11] <nicomachus> pingwindyktator: sounds like you need to download more ram
[21:11] <guest1110101> what am I supposed to download with this??
[21:11] <guest1110101> do now download..
[21:12] <guest1110101> not.. hmm..
[21:12] <Lorne2016> Might "recovery mode" help something?.... I'm poking around the grub...and it sounds promising...
[21:12] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Definitely worth a try.
[21:12] <simulated> What is the purpose of dleyna-renderer?
[21:13] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  any idea what the difference between upstart and recovery mode is?
[21:13] <guest1110101> nichomachus: what do I do with this grub command line
[21:13] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Please boot from the Ubuntu LiveUSB, select the "try before installing" option, then run boot info script: https://github.com/arvidjaar/bootinfoscript and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces.
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Upstart boots via upstart instead of systemd, recovery mode brings you to an ncurses based menu with troubleshooting options instead of booting to a graphical session.
[21:15] <guest1110101> Jordan_U already installed it
[21:15] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I understand, but the "Try before installing" environment will give you a working system that you can run boot info script from.
[21:15] <guest1110101> not giving me that option
[21:15] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I agree, the wording of the option is a bit confusing.
[21:16] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Are you booting from the Ubuntu LiveUSB?
[21:16] <guest1110101> no its not.. I have my own exp.. I just want to know what to do to finish setting up the grub dual boot
[21:16] <guest1110101> I used a *CD and am booting from a 128gb USB
[21:17] <brixtol> hi, there is a way to archive a folder with ";" in the folder name? (ex. "path\to\folder\bkp 2016-12-09 20;05;18\data.dat")
[21:18] <guest1110101> usually if I do a full wipe and have one of per disk I'm golden.. this time I opted for dual boot in the boot manager
[21:18] <guest1110101> but.. usb and ssd..
[21:18] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: OK, please boot from the Ubuntu LiveCD and follow the rest of the instructions I gave.
[21:18] <guest1110101> it won't let me.. since it does not, what do you recc9mmend.
[21:19] <guest1110101> darned "smart phone" keyboard..
[21:19] <guest1110101> buddy?
[21:20] <ekkis> greetings everyone.  I've just upgraded and now the OS won't load.
[21:21] <ekkis> the OS is run under VMWare on a MacBook Pro and I think the installation crashed because the laptop froze
[21:21] <ekkis> what can I do now?
[21:21] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: I don't understand. Are you having a problem booting from the LiveCD? (The same CD you just installed from)
[21:22] <guest1110101> it's not letting me "try it out" that button is faded out this time around :)
[21:22] <mikeymop> is there anything I can do to improve the bt stack in 16.04?
[21:22] <mikeymop> i have a dell bt mouse, to use with my xps 13 and it either disconnects when it idles or it doesn't conect at all
[21:22] <mikeymop> it works great when tis' connected, but once it DCs i have to turn on and off bt on bot hthe laptop and the device to coerce it into pairing again
[21:23] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   It occurs to me - I haven't tried adding nomodeset to a regular startup... can you pls help me try that?
[21:23] <fub> Hi. So I have configured and paired my bluetooth headset. Blueman shows me it is connected, however when I play sound, it's over the speakers and not the headset
[21:23] <fub> where do I set this?
[21:23] <fub> (I'm running ubuntu with i3wm and not gnome)
[21:23] <mikeymop> teh audio drop down menu from the panel is the easier
[21:23] <mikeymop> oh
[21:24] <guest1110101> ekkis: do you mean you upgraded your mac OS or ubuntu
[21:24] <ekkis> I upgraded Ubuntu
[21:24] <howarth> Is there a feature in apt-get that lets you identify which packages that are installed don't belong to any currently configured repo?
[21:25] <fub> mikeymop, any other idea?
[21:25] <nicomachus> fub: one sec, trying to remember the command to open the sound settings panel from terminal
[21:25] <guest1110101> ekkis: hopefully you have a backup of your files in the vm.. you can easily try to wipe and reinstall.. it's not recommended to upgrade even if it's an option
[21:26] <ekkis> guest1110101: it's not recommended to upgrade?? but the system recommended it.  I just clicked ok
[21:26] <guest1110101> ekkis: try to install the latest version normally instead of using an upgrade. I promise you that this will save you a lot of headaches
[21:26] <nicomachus> fub: try unity-control-center
[21:26] <nicomachus> honestly not sure if that works in i3 or not
[21:26] <guest1110101> ekkis: I know.. this ubuntu is one headache after another..
[21:26] <ekkis> guest1110101: you mean install over an existing installation?
[21:26] <guest1110101> yeah.. that..
[21:27] <fub> nicomachus, I have to install the whole gnome stuff then :/
[21:27] <ekkis> guest1110101: this is the first time I deal with it.  I come from Redhat/Fedora
[21:27] <ekkis> but Fedora's finished
[21:27] <guest1110101> go back x3
[21:27] <nicomachus> fub: ok, hold on.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Can you take a picture of this greyed out "try Ubuntu" option with a phone and post it for us to see?
[21:27] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | guest1110101
[21:27] <howarth> In particular I am thinking of the apt-get equivalent to 'yum list extras'
[21:28] <Sellerie> hello
[21:28] <Sellerie> whats up
[21:28] <howarth> which shows you all the installed packages that don't exist in the current repos
[21:28] <xangua> fub: how are you controlling pulseaudio?
[21:28] <guest1110101> I can't do that lol, but I can take a picture with multiple phone.
[21:28] <Sellerie> can anyone tell me how to update wifi driver without messing everything up?
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Sellerie, nm u
[21:28] <howarth> does apt-get have an equivalent?
[21:28] <mikeymop> guest1110101: i usually wipe the .files in my /home when reinstlaling on top
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Sure .  And I have complete confidence in Jordan_U . I do suggest you do as he has advised at this time and show him that boot-info script output.
[21:28] <nicomachus> fub: pacmd list-sinks
[21:28] <guest1110101> my.. wow..
[21:28] <guest1110101> my phone
[21:28] <nicomachus> then find your bluetooth speakers name
[21:28] <xangua> howarth: equivalent to what?
[21:28] <fub> xangua, honestly, I do not know :/ I'm setting volume up/down via pactl set-sink-volume 1 +10%
[21:29] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  hey did you ask for some output thingy?  What did you want?  (sorry, I guess I missed it)
[21:29] <nicomachus> fub: you can change the default output with pacmd set-default-sink "SINKNAME"
[21:29] <wafflejock> fub, can also try pavucontrol nice graphical interface for adjusting what input/outputs are used by pulseaudio
[21:29] <Jordan_U> howarth: aptitude search ~o
[21:29] <xangua> fub: you can install pavucontrol and should be able to select your headphones as output
[21:29] <nicomachus> fub: yea, wafflejock has a good suggestion with pavucontrol
[21:29] <howarth> thanks
[21:30] <fub> this looks nice, it's already installed. however the headset is not in there
[21:30] <EriC^^> when it says Ultra XVID Codex Pack.exe in a torrent and something.avi, does it mean i'll be able to watch it using vlc on ubuntu?
[21:30] <ekkis> guest1110101: f*ck.  I explicitly removed the VM images from my backup
[21:30] <ekkis> so now I can't restore
[21:30] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Do you mean the error I showed you already, or did he ask for some new output?
[21:30] <xangua> fub: how about in the last tab?
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, no
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: ah really?
[21:31] <EriC^^> damn
[21:31] <howarth> thanks, so I assume all the new features are going into aptitude rather than apt-get
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: any solution?
[21:31] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: No. I asked a different user for boot info script output. Did recovery mode get you anywhere?
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, exe files don't usally work in ubuntu there is a way, but uh
[21:31] <howarth> in that case, it is surprising that the Live 16.10 doesn't install it
[21:31] <nicomachus> EriC^^: should be able to watch .avi in VLC
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, you want normal codecs it seems
[21:31] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah i know, i mean vlc can't play without having that codec stuff installed?
[21:31] <fub> xangua, yeah, it's in there
[21:31] <nicomachus> without installing codecs
[21:32] <EriC^^> the torrent has a file called "Ultra XVid Codec Pack.exe"
[21:32] <howarth> FYI, I am interested because I finally gave up on getting the current Ubuntu installers to install on a MacBook Pro 2006
[21:32] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U no - recovery mode didn't help... I need to take kid#1 to ballet class.. I'll be back in 30 mins... then (if you're here) you can walk me thru that
[21:32] <howarth> however I found that the Debian multiarch ones worked fine
[21:32] <nicomachus> EriC^^: AFAIK that's usually for Windows users that need the codec to play it.
[21:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, apparanly according to nicomachus should work without, but won't hurt running this anyway:  sudo apt-get installl ubuntu-restricted-codecs
[21:32] <nicomachus> EriC^^: also, pirating is bad, mmmkay :D
[21:32] <fub> xangua, under "output devices" I can see "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo", with two options: Line Out (plugged in) and Headphones (unplugged)
[21:32] <OerHeks> EriC^^, that codec stuff delivered with a torrent is fake, malware maybe lolz
[21:32] <EriC^^> ok, i'll download it and report back if it doesn't work
[21:32] <xangua> fub: are you sure they are detected as headphones in Bluetooth?
[21:32] <howarth> so I am swapping out the /etc/apt and doing a dist-upgrade followed by removal of all packages not in ubuntu
[21:32] <EriC^^> OerHeks: lol yeah i bet
[21:33] <fub> xangua, yeah blueman tells me this.
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, don't use some Windowsey torent as well
[21:33] <fub> xangua, it's also in the last tab under "configuration"
[21:33] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: That's most likely a Windows trojan combined with an unplayable video (to trick you into installing the Windows trojan to be able to play it).
[21:33] <EriC^^> SebthreeBQM10HD: alright thanks
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, oh and the Wndows VLC probably works in Wine, but the Linux one can do what you want
[21:33] <EriC^^> Jordan_U: wow, that's pretty ingenius
[21:33] <fub> xangua, http://i.imgur.com/1ExEneB.png
[21:34] <OerHeks> EriC^^, maybe it works in wine 2.0 https://www.winehq.org/announce/2.0-rc1
[21:34] <howarth> I still need to puzzle out what Ubuntu is doing wrong here to cope with the EFI-32 firmware on that hardware
[21:34] <EriC^^> the same torrent keeps coming up, i'll download it and see
[21:34] <sol0> Hi all,
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, forge about random torret fll sotp
[21:35] <howarth> however both the stock Fedora Live x86_64 DVD and the debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso from a USB key works fine
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, malware is malware, even win could get effecte by it to an extent
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> EriC^^, forget about random torrent full stop, correcting that
[21:36] <fuddie> Hello! I need some helP. When i Press my lowercase "P" key it doesnt do anything. I belive that i have somehow created a keyboard shortcut that is being triggered by my lowercase "P", because they key works just find on other user accounts. I am need to know how i can find and get rid of this keybinding.
[21:36] <sol0> my google-chrome icon in system tray sometimes becomes this weird icon. I don't know what's causing it. Any ideas? -> http://imgur.com/a/6AQfc
[21:37] <sol0> fuddie: did you try looking in keyboard settings?
[21:37] <fub> xangua, found the problem, I had to change to A2DP in blueman
[21:38] <fub> is it possible to set all output streams to a specific sink?
[21:38] <fub> because I ahve to do this in pavucontrol for each app by its own now
[21:38] <fuddie> sol0: Yes, i did. but i cannot find it in the binding in keyboard settings. If i try to hijack the binding so i can delete it, gnome wont let me do that because it would make normal tyPing imPossible
[21:38] <fub> also the system volume is not the volume for the headset
[21:39] <nicomachus> fub: you can change the default output with pacmd set-default-sink "SINKNAME"
[21:39] <nicomachus> and you'll have a different volume setting for different outputs
[21:39] <EriC^^> fuddie: try xmodmap -pke
[21:39] <fub> nicomachus, so no way to have one volume setting for all?
[21:40] <nicomachus> fub: no. that's generally a bad idea anyway... don't wanna blow my ears out by having my headphones be full volume when I plug them in.
[21:40] <fub> nicomachus, thats right, but then I cant use keyboard controls to change volume on the headset
[21:40] <sol0> fuddie: why don't you create new keybinding with 'p' and then delete it? If gnome settings doesn't allow you to bind p, try dconf-editor.
[21:40] <nicomachus> you can once it's the default output
[21:40] <nicomachus> fub ^
[21:40] <fub> oh, okay
[21:40] <fuddie> EriC^^: xmodmaP will tell me the keycodes, how do i find out the keycode for 'P'?
[21:40] <fub> nicomachus, how?
[21:41] <nicomachus> not even default, actually. keyboard media keys should always control the ACTIVE output sink.
[21:41] <fub> I'm currently changing sound with bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec --no-startup-id pactl set-sink-volume 1 +10% #increase sound volume
[21:41] <EriC^^> fuddie: it's 33 , xev helps with that
[21:41] <fub> so I guess this only changes sound volume for the first sink
[21:41] <fuddie> > keycode  33 = p P p P
[21:41] <EriC^^> fuddie: looks good
[21:42] <EriC^^> what happens in xev when you press p
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: yea, you'll have to find your sink number for the other sinks to do it that way. or change your keybind to adjust both/all
[21:42] <fuddie> well it dosnt work xD
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: pacmd list-sinks
[21:42] <howarth> sweet, I just notice that the Ubuntu sources.list is aready configured as mult-arch
[21:42] <Jordan_U> guest1110101: Were you able to take that picture and upload it anywhere?
[21:42] <nicomachus> then find your bluetooth speakers name
[21:42] <fub> nicomachus, 1 is my cable, 2 is my headset
[21:42] <fub> (index number 1 and 2)
[21:42] <nicomachus> fub: so make your script cover both 1 and 2
[21:43] <fub> ok
[21:43] <fiveflowerzz> Hi! What is the default desktop that came with 14.04?
[21:43] <nicomachus> fiveflowerzz: unity
[21:43] <fiveflowerzz> It didn't require login, it autoatmically started dekstop
[21:44] <nicomachus> it did require login. unless you disabled that.
[21:44] <fiveflowerzz> I probably disabled that
[21:44] <Jordan_U> fiveflowerzz: You can configure automatic login with pretty much any DE, and none has automatic login by default (in any release of Ubuntu).
[21:45] <nicomachus> and the "login screen" (lightdm in Ubuntu) doesn't have anything to do with the DE anyway.
[21:45] <nicomachus> I use lightdm with Unity, i3, and MATE
[21:45] <fuddie> EriC^^: here is xev event when i use "P' https://paste.ubuntu.com/23605272/
[21:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I prefer LXDM :)
[21:46] <fiveflowerzz> What is the link between LightDM / unity ?
[21:46] <engpy> Btw I have problem with Ubuntu wifi connection. When it sleeps/hibernate I lose wifi Internet connection and its list I have to relog in orter to get my wifi list back. How can I fix it?
[21:46] <EriC^^> fuddie: that doesn't seem like what it's supposed to do
[21:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, there should always be a log in screen really a display manage
[21:46] <fuddie> EriC^^: what is wrong with it then?
[21:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Light DM is default for that, and unit default as interface
[21:47] <EriC^^> fuddie: this is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/23605283/
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, other than that not much of a link reallly, except for how Canonical created them both
[21:47] <fiveflowerzz> SebthreeBQM10HD: sorry, i didn't get it, is Unity a layer on top of LightDM or something different?
[21:47] <nicomachus> fiveflowerzz: your display manager (lightdm) managers which desktop environment (Unity, i3, awesome, MATE, etc) you are launching
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Unity is realy an alternative shell on top o GNOME  3 instead of there one
[21:47] <nicomachus> s/managers/manages/
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !unity
[21:47] <fiveflowerzz> so it's two different layers?
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !lightdm
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !dm
[21:47] <EriC^^> fuddie: do the other keys say like mine does?
[21:48] <fuddie> yes
[21:48] <fiveflowerzz> oh i'm lost.... Gnome Unity LightDM ? Which one is on top of which one?
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, a log in screen can be used to log into other interfaces as well such as GNOME, KDE, etc, but by defaut you only got Unity in 14.04
[21:48] <nicomachus> Unity is on top of LightDM. Gnome is an alternative to Unity. Unity is kind of a fork of Gnome.
[21:48] <EriC^^> fuddie: make a new user account i'd say
[21:48] <fuddie> EriC^^: a new user works correctly
[21:49] <EriC^^> fuddie: or search your home dir for anything related to keycode 33 maybe
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, Unity is used instead of the default GNOME 3 interface in 14.04 etc
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, in the background it's GNOME 3 or mostly
[21:49] <EriC^^> fuddie: copy your stuff to the new user, it's easier
[21:49] <fuddie> yeah i guess that would work as a last resort
[21:49] <EriC^^> move your stuff, delete the account, recreate it then move the stuff back
[21:50] <fiveflowerzz> So the lower layer is LightDM, then on top of that you can put Gnome or Unity, is that correct?
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !gnome
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !kde
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, the two main ones are GNOME and KDE
[21:50] <EriC^^> i've found it to be a pain in the butt when user configs go south, especially with compiz stuff
[21:50] <Cuzner> !windowmaker
[21:50] <EriC^^> i just recreate the account when it happens
[21:50] <Cuzner> WAT?! no windowmaker? :P
[21:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, no LightDM is just one of the  many log in screens
[21:52] <Cuzner> !i3wm
[21:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, to log into an interface  you usually need a log in sceen such as lightdm
[21:53] <fuddie> OK
[21:54] <fuddie> i got it EriC^^ & etc, i just have to disable gnome-media-keys
[21:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fiveflowerzz, an interace would be Unity,  or GNOME Shell, or Plasma what kde uses, or could be many more even
[21:54] <EriC^^> fuddie: cool
[21:55] <willsketchupwork> my keyboard and track pad don't work.  I know for a fact the keyboard works when it is booting up but not after.
[21:55] <donofrio> #xfceforever ;)
[21:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> donofrio, I don't like XFCe mch
[21:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> much
[21:56] <donofrio> LMDE is good too fwiw
[21:56] <donofrio> I like speed not eye candy ;)
[21:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot > donofrio
[21:57] <donofrio> I don'y do PM's sorry
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ot
[21:58] <donofrio> not really did anyone bring up the cruff of unity-lens-ads?
[21:58] <fuddie> Thanks for the help with my technical issue everybody! goodbye.
[22:00] <nicomachus> donofrio: they are no longer enabled by default.
[22:01] <donofrio> nicomachus, is unity-lens-music still around, just don't like the idea of clanical gropping my searchs from the unity interface hence LDME to the rescue
[22:01] <nicomachus> !unity-lens-music
[22:01] <_Sym_> I have this problem with nautilus freezing up sometimes when I use my physical delete key to delete files.  I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.  Does anyone else have this problem?
[22:01] <nicomachus> err...
[22:01] <nicomachus> !info unity-lens-music
[22:02] <rangemonger> damn, sellerie is gone
[22:02] <donofrio> older version it was not optional is all I was saying....
[22:02] <nicomachus> yea I'm not sure about now. They made most of the lens stuff disabled by default in 16.04 (or maybe 15.10?), so I stopped worrying abou tit.
[22:02] <nicomachus> about it*
[22:03] <_Sym_> Is there an easy way to update nautilus to a newer release on 16.04?
[22:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, no
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, might be a ppa somehere, but that would b likely to do othe things to, so let' just say no
[22:04] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, i didnt want to change that much
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, there are other file mangers you could install thogh from other interfaces
[22:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, uhmm XFCE has Thunar,  KDE has Dolphin or Konquerrer
[22:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Konquerer however it's spelt
[22:05] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, but I have lots of scripts I use in nautilus
[22:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, Thunar is quie similar to Nautilus as is Dolphin I guess, but less so
[22:05] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, Thunar is an option that supports scripts
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, you could do sudo apt-get install thunar   it would want to pt some  other XFCE stuff on probably, but woudn't be a s bad as anything from KDE, if you don't have KDE stuff on already
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, Thunar is a good alternative I would say in general, an that's quite simila to Nautilus
[22:06] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, I only have the default gnome
[22:06] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, that is a good suggestion
[22:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, well you could do the whole of XFCE/Xubuntu i you wanted which would do Thunar and more up to you
[22:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, or just install thunar and it's dependances
[22:08] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, I think I just want Thunar.  I guess Nautilus has lots of issues.
[22:08] <ewerton> ola / hello
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, they have a older version in 16.04
[22:08] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U ok - I'm back...
[22:08] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, that is too bad they did not update it for the LTS
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  sudo apt-get install thunar
[22:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that should do it
[22:09] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, and the script configuration tool for Thunar
[22:09] <fub> nicomachus, bad, the indexes change
[22:09] <ewerton> Ubuntu mate or xubuntu for steam games? someone can answer me?
[22:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, I don't know about scripts, bu you put Thunar culd do scripts as well so
[22:09] <fub> so I need to use the names
[22:09] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, Thunar supports scripts too
[22:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, uh either. steam willl work on any ubuntu etc
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  oh  I forgot something, thre's the mate one to, cuja or whaever
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, the  fork of the old GNOME 2 Nautilus
[22:11] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, I think I need to stick with the latest LTS because I'm using it for android development.  Any other version would probably introduce some build issues for me.
[22:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, but installng that would want to install at least some mate suff of course,  or you do the whole of ubuntu gnome your choce agian
[22:11] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U  you asked a different user for boot info script output...I'm at GNU GRUB 2.02 menu screen....how do I get you what you need?
[22:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, can log into different interfaces from log in screen
[22:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, fine well,  cuja or whatever frm mate, or thunar, or install both
[22:12] <ewerton> Yes, but I notice difference between some DEs, some tearing, I've heard that I should use a ubuntu that uses xorg, does ubuntu mate use marco, and not xorg, or am I wrong?
[22:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, altogh nautilus should work really but whateever
[22:12] <rangemonger> ewerton: is it because compositting is on?
[22:12] <nicomachus> ewerton: I think MATE uses wayland...
[22:12] <rangemonger> none use wayland yet
[22:12] <nicomachus> errr... mir
[22:12] <rangemonger> not by default
[22:13] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, Nautilus works fine most of the time. It just locks up sometimes when I use the actual delete key to delete files.  If I right click and select delete, then its always fine.  That is the only issue I'm having.
[22:13] <nicomachus> ignore me
[22:13] <rangemonger> standard ubuntu will use mir in the future but for now, all ubuntus use xorg
[22:13] <Jordan_U> nicomachus: ewerton: MATE doesn't support Mir or Wayland at all.
[22:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton,   nicomachus  no all Ubuntu's on the desktop computer are xorg or now, but like with the tablet and phone by say Ubuntu 18.04 LTS should be using mir by deault if haven't already
[22:13] <ewerton> mate uses marco
[22:13] <nicomachus> Jordan_U: oh. well I don't support MATE, so I guess that explains why I have no idea what I'm talking about.
[22:13] <rangemonger> mates still xorg
[22:14] <rangemonger> most likely every linux youved used is xorg
[22:14] <nicomachus> nah
[22:14] <nicomachus> unity 8 is mir
[22:14] <rangemonger> android being the exception
[22:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but most will be gong wayland soon fedora alread has,  the exception is ubuntu with mir
[22:14] <rangemonger> yeah but thats not out yet
[22:14] <rangemonger> for desktop
[22:14] <rangemonger> well, its not finalized
[22:14] <ewerton> So it makes no difference between playing games on mate or xfce, correct?
[22:14] <nicomachus> rangemonger: I'm using it right now...
[22:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, for now indeed no difference since both are run by xorg
[22:15] <rangemonger> nicomachus: well its out but its beta
[22:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ewerton, in Ubuntu
[22:15] <rangemonger> ewerton: turn compsitting off on whichever one you use for best performance on games
[22:16] <ewerton> haha, thanks :)
[22:16] <rangemonger> nicomachus: mir doesnt run on vbox yet, does it?
[22:16] <Jordan_U> Lorne2016: Were you using Nvidia's proprietary drivers before this problem started?
[22:16] <nicomachus> rangemonger: no it doesn't. I'm running it on my laptop that's sitting right next to me.
[22:16] <ewerton> Turn compsitting off on whichever one, will be the same result?
[22:16]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is living in the like  future  Ubuntu preview aleady with Unity 8 and Mir, since running the tablet :)  one of the tablets,  plus got two ubuntu phones  ( one intentianlly not up to date  enough by a long way though )
[22:16] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, caja
[22:17]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has OTA  14  to install on two of the three devices, but tommorow or something
[22:17] <Lorne2016> Jordan_U yes.
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Jordan_U :: what results when in grub you choose "advanced" and then select the latest 'recovery' kernel; return key to execute ?
[22:17] <rangemonger> ewerton: id imagine so, baring anything running in the background that would use up a lot of resources
[22:17] <engpy> Can anyone tell me why is there too many different Linux releases? E.g before I installed Ubuntu I wanted to try Mint not sure why I chose Ubuntu :) It is slowe than win10 on same computer - not sure if Mint is faster and doesn't require high spec PC?
[22:17] <rangemonger> nicomachus: damn, i would have fired it up right now if it did
[22:18] <nicomachus> engpy: because anyone can make a linux distro, so lots of people make different ones to fit their preferences. It's all about choice, and with linux you have lots of choices.
[22:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> engpy, there are loads of Ubuntu versions, and actsual other Linux distros as well
[22:18] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om Recovery goes to the Recovery menu ...
[22:18] <rangemonger> engpy: mint is based on ubuntu so its likely going to run about the same
[22:18] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: "resume normal boot " ?
[22:19] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, well, caja is out becaue it wants the entire mate desktop as a dependency
[22:19] <engpy> ah I see... Thanks :)
[22:19] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - trying that now...
[22:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, ok try thunar then
[22:19] <nicomachus> engpy: you can even build your own linux install from scratch, if you want.
[22:19] <nicomachus> !LFS
[22:19] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, yah, i'm gonna give that a try, thanks
[22:19] <ewerton> My computer supports heavy games, I just bought a gtx960, but shadow of mordor works fine only "medium", dying light works fine only "minimum", this is bad port for developers?
[22:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_, but that might want prety muc the whole of xfce still
[22:20] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   WOW....ok - so its up (!)...  Obviously the screen is out of proportion and ugly...but its my machine
[22:20] <nicomachus> ewerton: possible that it's a bad port. that happens too often. you might check with #gamingonlinux, they generally have a pretty good idea of which ports are bad and which ones are fixable
[22:20] <engpy> nicomachus: not really I can't - but I got your point :)
[22:20] <nicomachus> ewerton: that might be ##linuxgaming....
[22:21] <_Sym_> SebthreeBQM10HD, no, thunar only wants a few xfce libs and exo libs
[22:21] <nicomachus> it's #gamingonlinux. haha
[22:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> _Sym_,  oh ok nice, but what's exo libs ? exo ?
[22:21] <rangemonger> _Sym_: did you turn off the force suggested packages thing?
[22:21] <ewerton> ok, thanks bro
[22:22] <sol0> Hi all, my google chrome icons in system tray look strange. Any ideas? Here is how it looks- http://imgur.com/a/6AQfc
[22:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger,   not sure if it's that, probably just general depanances for caja etc
[22:22] <_Sym_> rangemonger, im not sure what you are referring to
[22:22] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Should I go to the nVidia site - and download new drivers?
[22:22] <engpy> but I have still my wifi problem is not solved - when ubuntu goes to sleep mode /hibernate I lose my wifi connection list and disconnect from internet, it requires a restart or relog...
[22:22] <_Sym_> rangemonger, oh, im only using apt-get install from command line
[22:22] <rangemonger> _Sym_: by default package managers on ubuntu treat recomended packages as required ones, this can be disabled
[22:23] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM : Jordan_U ...or should I get some output now, so you have a baseline incase the graphics drivers bork it again?
[22:23] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i think even commandline apt does this by deault
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Well . There is hope then that the issue is in the X layer . That the foundation is solid . .. NO on going to nvidia fro the driver . That is a means of last resort . we have better alternatives in ununtu .
[22:23] <engpy> is there a magical code that make my wifi never goes away?
[22:23] <Bashing-om> ubuntu*
[22:23] <_Sym_> rangemonger, ok. apt-get install is only asking to install the depends
[22:24] <rangemonger> but it might be calling suggested items as depends
[22:24] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK cool.
[22:24] <rangemonger> it just lumps them all together as depends
[22:24] <_Sym_> rangemonger, if I say "apt-cache show thunar" it shows me what the recommended packags are and they are are not included
[22:24] <nicomachus> engpy: I think that's a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[22:25] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i know but a lot of those depends might not really be depends
[22:25] <nicomachus> engpy: there may be a fix though, we can try it if you have a couple minutes and an open terminal
[22:25] <_Sym_> rangemonger, where do I look to turn that off?
[22:25] <rangemonger> i can test thunar out, i have a minimal ubuntu installed with nothing but xorg and synaptic added
[22:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rag
[22:26] <tekeli-li> I think I broke sshd
[22:26] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i cant remember how on the commandline
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger,  it was caja tht wanted the whole of mate
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he said
[22:26] <nicomachus> !details | tekeli-li
[22:26] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: while we are awaiting . lets see what the hardware is . pastebin the output of terminal command - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - .
[22:26] <thiras> any forum moderators here?
[22:26] <tekeli-li> nicomachus, thanks
[22:26] <pingwindyktator> Pici, SebthreeBQM10HD: if you are curious what heppend with killing apps on the screens: my website was under attack, apache was draining os
[22:26] <thiras> i have problem with my SSO
[22:26] <nicomachus> thiras: what do you mean? what do you need?
[22:26] <engpy> I am looking the link you gave me
[22:27] <engpy> yeh on terminal now
[22:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, oh!
[22:27] <thiras> nicomachus, i got two account now
[22:27] <rangemonger> its going to take a bit, i just uninstalled vbox
[22:27] <thiras> SSO didn't merged my old account
[22:27] <nicomachus> thiras: two accounts for what?
[22:27] <rangemonger> ill restore linux via timeshift
[22:27] <fub> nicomachus, so this bluetooth audio thing is very unstable and weird.
[22:27] <rangemonger> what would i do without timeshift
[22:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, well that could make sense, since terminal stuf does't usaully just crash etc
[22:27] <fub> it worked some minutes ago, but now I cant hear anything anymore.
[22:27] <pingwindyktator> SebthreeBQM10HD: iptabled drop, now everything is okay. seems to be casual wordpress attack
[22:27] <nicomachus> fub: in my experience, bluetooth audio is very unstable and weird.
[22:27] <thiras> nicomachus, my nick was thiras now with the SSO i got thiras2
[22:27] <thiras> i'm pretty sure it's the same mail both has
[22:27] <fub> nicomachus, bad
[22:27] <nicomachus> thiras: ask in #freenode
[22:27] <fub> it works so flawless under OSX
[22:28] <thiras> nicomachus, i mean ubuntuforums.org
[22:28] <fub> but this is messed up
[22:28] <thiras> not the IRC
[22:28] <rangemonger> if you guys havent tried timeshift yet, i highly recommend it
[22:28] <Bashing-om> thiras: forum help is #ubuntu-forums :)
[22:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pingwindyktator, ah ok
[22:28] <fub> My current sink is set up now at the bluez one, everything looks fine in pavucontrol, but I cant hear anything
[22:29] <ezs-floggin-pipe> No google Icon after installing that looks weird??  well if it isn't visible you think it is because it wasn't installed?
[22:29] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM its telling me grep: iEA5 no such file or directory (same for vga|3d)
[22:29] <rangemonger> _Sym_: with force recomends off, caja only installs 8 packages
[22:30] <rangemonger> ill check thunar
[22:30] <rangemonger> thunar only wants 6 packages
[22:30] <_Sym_> rangemonger, but it really depends on what you already have installed
[22:31] <_Sym_> I have the standard ubuntu 16.04
[22:31] <rangemonger> _Sym_: i told you, almost nothing, xorg, synaptic
[22:31] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: maje sure ya get the quotes on 'vga|3d' . copy and paste for best results . The command is valid as given .
[22:31] <ezs-floggin-pipe> XubUNTU IS SWEAT
[22:31] <rangemonger> xubuntu is likely the best buntu
[22:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, its ok
[22:31] <rangemonger> imo
[22:31] <rangemonger> and i like kde better
[22:32] <_Sym_> xubuntu has problems with building cyanogenmod
[22:32] <rangemonger> but xubuntu is just nice and clean
[22:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> rangemonger, the best no
[22:32] <nicomachus> !ot
[22:32] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I love it for how much I don't know about Linux
[22:32] <rangemonger> its a great entery point
[22:32] <howarth> Is there an option for apt-get or atitude which instructs it to use the packaged prefs over the locally installed ones?
[22:32] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI HD3600 is giving me hell though
[22:33] <_Sym_> rangemonger, i will look into that force depends option though, thanks
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ati
[22:33] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Yes
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: My results of the command: http://termbin.com/kfx6 .
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, which version of u bunt u ?
[22:33] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Ok _ i'm logging out on this computer - and logging in on the bad one... so I can copy/paste...
[22:33] <rangemonger> _sol_: cool, np
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, 16.04 has or had some ATI/AMD issues
[22:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe, certain cards not really work
[22:34] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om    OK - I did this yesterday (I think) and this was the output
[22:34] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om    OK - I did this yesterday (I think) and this was the output http://termbin.com/spml
[22:34] <howarth> ah
[22:34] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am aware of that, but I get ATI er5ror messages related to my steam errors
[22:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> howarth, ah  :d
[22:34] <howarth> http://askubuntu.com/questions/104899/make-apt-get-or-aptitude-run-with-y-but-not-prompt-for-replacement-of-configu
[22:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ezs-floggin-pipe,  ok don't know
[22:35] <rangemonger> _Sym_: its worth noting that after changing it you need to update the package list for it to work right
[22:35] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K . see if ya can get to the login screen on the bad system and key combo crl+Alt+F1 to gain a console interface .
[22:35] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ubottu: I just need som guidance
[22:35] <rangemonger> _Sym_: also there seems to be a bug, atleasst on synaptic, that it doesnt save the option being off if you exit it
[22:36] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I'm actually on the bad system now... the screen is stretched...but I can see...and have terminal
[22:36] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Grrrr to XuBuntu for that compatability iussue
[22:37] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: K. Hybrid grahics, we are making progress . what now ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[22:37] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  ...but if I'm gonna stop lightdm (?)...then I should probably go back to chat on the other machine...
[22:38] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok, did that ...it accepted it no prob...(but didn't seem to do anything)
[22:39] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: If ya boot to console from the login screen then a graphic's driver is not in the picture and the Display Manager (lightdm) is not at play either .
[22:40] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Yeah...but I'm chatting with you in a webchat ... so if I boot to console, I lose chat :)   (do you want me to chat on the other machine, like before?)
[22:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> wec
[22:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> lcome m3t
[22:42] <rangemonger> "Unable to complete install: 'internal error: Failed to load PCI stub module pciback' " anyone know anything about this? Trying to pass a pci device through on xen.
[22:42] <rangemonger> kvm passes through no problem
[22:44] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: A GUI do have it's limitations huh ? . Do not know what is best to advise in your use case .
[22:45] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  yeah - ok cool.  You said there were some ubuntu graphics drivers tha might work...how do we give those a try?
[22:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> is there any way to add more support to the ATI HD4600 using emultation like in a VM
[22:46] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om   screen isn't too bad right now...just stretched...and the regular "Display" settings don't offer anything that fixes it
[22:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> HD3600 sorry
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: This is will be a poke in the dark . and without remounting will not work in "recovery mode" . tell me again how you have attained a terminal . so what we do will "stick" .
[22:49] <stevendale> Is the Ubuntu source code available?
[22:49] <tgm4883> stevendale: yes?
[22:49] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - so we got the system to boot going thru grub to recovery to continue starting (top option...boots 'normally' without graphics drivers)
[22:50] <Bashing-om> stevendale: Yes ' apt source <package> ' to get it .
[22:50] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om So I got to the login screen and I'm logged in... Mostly happy actually :)   ...
[22:50] <stevendale> Bashing-om, I meant, the source that like... the server uses to make the desktop/server/alternate isos
[22:51] <stevendale> I would like to compile custom desktop images with optimization like Intel without PAE support
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Still not sure where you are comming from .. of the 4 methods to boot the system I do not understand (confused) how you are booting ., do we "beed" to remount the file system ??
[22:53] <nicomachus> s/beed/need/?
[22:53] <Lorne2016> Bashing-OM  I don't think so... I'm pretty sure that starting the system thru the Recovery Menu has resulted in the machine fully booted (except for graphics drivers)
[22:54] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  I see my data...my apps...my email...all here
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: OK, booted from "recovery" you are root ! .. be very careful . Remount the file system ' mount -o remount,rw / ' (Note there is no space after the comma.). Remove the old driver ' apt purge nvidia* ; .. and install what the system chooses ' ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . reboot the system to see the effect . All good now upon the reboot ?
[23:00] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om ok I'm not in root...how do I get there?
[23:01] <uxfi> Lorne2016  TCAP reference?
[23:01] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Did you not just say that you are booted via the recovery console from grub ? If so then you are at a "root" interface .
[23:01] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  mount: only root can use "--options" option
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Again .. I am so confused where and how you are booted . please advise again again . It does make a difference .
[23:04] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Here's what I did : (A) Got into Grub. (B) Found the Recocvery Options Menu (C) Selected the top option (something like "Boot normally") ...and this took me to my login screen - so I logged in normally
[23:05] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Not to be short . remember I am not looking over your shoulder. You must tell me what where how things are .
[23:05] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Sure bro'!  So I think I'm not in root)
[23:07] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: OK .. let's try this .. as you seem to be at a user level interface ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall  ' :)
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: ^ you will be asked for your password . enter it blindly and hit return .
[23:08] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK - that's def doing something....
[23:10] <ilhami> did anyone want me? :)
[23:10] <hugospinto> hello. I have dual boot Windows 10 + ubuntu 16.04. I just shrinked my windows partition, so that I can extend my ubuntu partition. I have a EFI boot partition on the start of the HDD, but I also have a grub2 bootloader for ubuntu which I currently use primarily. How can I understand how the boot process is currently done in my pc, and what files do i need to change after I resize my ubutnu partition (to the left, so I will move t
[23:11] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om OK = that seemed to be working awesome... but it did encounter a couple errors... I pasted the last bit here http://pastebin.com/G0x6BBVm
[23:11] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Your message was cut off at "so I will move t".
[23:12] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  Anything to worry about - or should I go ahead and try re-booting normally?
[23:12] <hugospinto> (to the left, so I will move the start of it)
[23:16] <hugospinto> Jordan_U (to the left, so I will move the start of it)
[23:16] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: look'n ^ .
[23:17] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: If you use GParted to move Ubuntu's partition to the left and to make Windows' partition smaller, and this is a UEFI based system, and you do nothing else, then you should still be able to boot fine. Always have boot media on hand just in case, and as always make sure all of your important data is backed up (moving to the left involves reading and writing a lot of data, taking a long time,
[23:17] <Jordan_U> and leaving a large window where losing power could be disastrous).
[23:18] <reisio> you'll be better off in the long run if you pick a single OS to use :p
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Lorne2016: Yeah ., we have a situatiuon here ,, as it is UEFI out of my experience range . Jordan_U and others know . but for now . reboot and let's see how serious it is .
[23:18] <ilhami> reisio, welcome back!
[23:18] <reisio> ilhami: :)
[23:19] <Lorne2016> Bashing-om  OK - signing off...and re-booting...cya on the flipside...
[23:21] <hugospinto> Jordan_U yes I am using GParted. My question is what will happen to the grub2 bootloader which I believe is my first bootloader right now. it is placed on sda5. so if I move sda5 to the left, how will the boot process know where it is loaded?
[23:23] <willsketchupwork> my keyboard and track pad don't work.  I know for a fact the keyboard works when it is booting up but not after.
[23:33] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: UEFI firmware understands partition tables and filesystems. The first portion of grub is stored in a file, /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi . The path /boot/efi/ is a mountpoint for your EFI System Partition, which is likely not on sda5 but rather probably sda1. In your boot firmware there is an entry that says to look for the partition with a certain GPT UUID and open the file within that at
[23:33] <Jordan_U> the path EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi . Neither the UUID nor this path will be changed by resizing or moving partitions.
[23:34] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: With other tools you might have to worry about partitions being re-ordered, which might cause problems with grub, (though only if they were oddly ordered in the first place), but GParted should keep partition numbers the same as well.
[23:34] <jwr> I've got a new laptop with ubuntu preinstalled from the factory. what's the best way to take what I have now, but redo it on a fresh install so as to use full disk encryption?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> jwr: Can you figure out if the OEM modifies Ubuntu for that hardware in any way? If not, then I would just re-install normally.
[23:37] <jwr> Jordan_U: they have added some dell specific PPA's, and there's some kernel modules named "dell_laptop, dell_hotkeys" and so on. so i wouldn't be surprised if they had modified it, or at least done stuff that i wouldn't just know off the top of my head.
[23:38] <Mibix> if all my storage drives are in ntfs is there any advantage to converting them to ext4
[23:38] <Mibix> and can i even do it without data loss
[23:39] <Ben64> Mibix: ext4 is way faster in linux
[23:39] <Mibix> can you simply just convert them
[23:39] <Ben64> no
[23:39] <Jordan_U> Mibix: No way to convert from ntfs to ext4 in place. You would need to copy the data off elsewhere then copy it back.
[23:39] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am looking for a human Radeon FanBoy
[23:40] <Mibix> rgr
[23:40] <Mibix> i had a very rough start at ubuntu today lol
[23:40] <Mibix> lost 16tb
[23:40] <Ben64> how did you manage that
[23:41] <Mibix> err 15tb
[23:41] <ezs-floggin-pipe> <-----Hates ATI and am not fromilar at all really outside there pasty output
[23:41] <FinalX> somehow I doubt that being Ubuntu's fault :p
[23:41] <Mibix> well a 4tb and 5tb drive i think just got corrupted from being migrated to a few OSes and changing controllers
[23:41] <FinalX> well that latter part sounds far more likely :p
[23:41] <hugospinto> Jordan_U so when I use the grub bootloader it is in fact using the UEFI firmware first? but then wouldn't the entry for EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi have to change its location?
[23:42] <Mibix> the 6tb raid 1 array in windows got shafted by ubuntu
[23:42] <Mibix> i disabled mirroring before
[23:42] <Mibix> still hated the simple volumes
[23:42] <FinalX> Ubuntu doesn't touch any disk unless told to do so.
[23:42] <Mibix> yeah well
[23:42] <Mibix> :p
[23:43] <Mibix> it somehow turned my 6tb partition in to 1.84gb in windows
[23:43] <Mibix> it should be alright though
[23:43] <Mibix> just going to take a couple days to recover
[23:44] <ezs-floggin-pipe> So no Radeon Pro's
[23:44] <Mibix> the 9tb i lost is easily replacable
[23:44] <Mibix> but i need to recover that 6tb
[23:45] <Mibix> i had been having a lot of trouble with download speeds on windows server 2016
[23:45] <Mibix> switched to ubuntu and tested
[23:45] <Mibix> it should be worth all this trouble
[23:45] <jwr> ezs-floggin-pipe: you'll do better if you just ask your question, instead of asking who you should ask. that said, i am not a radeon person myself.
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I had maybe you weren't here
[23:46] <Mibix> my encrypted downloads were 3x as fast in ubuntu
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Still it is a video card how many qwestions could there be  lol
[23:46] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I need help getting it installed
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> none of the launchers I have gone threw see to open any installation process
[23:47] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: All computers start by running their boot firmware, and that's been true since the dawn of the PC.
[23:47] <Ben64> ezs-floggin-pipe: explain the issue in detail
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> it won't install
[23:47] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: The start sector of the partition isn't what's used to find the partition, the GPT UUID is.
[23:47] <ezs-floggin-pipe> <----windows user mostly
[23:48] <Mibix> ezs-floggin-pipe is there a driver for you card for ubuntu?
[23:48] <Mibix> do you have ipmi?
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI provided it to me on there site
[23:48] <jwr> ezs-floggin-pipe: I tried these specific steps, and got this specific error message. stuff like that.
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> however Steam won't open because of the Video
[23:48] <Mibix> steam on linux
[23:48]  * Mibix runs away
[23:48] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I think, I don't know how to look it up in Linux builds
[23:49] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Steam platform works with exceptable performand
[23:50] <ezs-floggin-pipe> performance**  the Steam boxes are Linux and they work well
[23:51] <Mibix> ya i just know nothing about them
[23:51] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Windows is better for it for now, but that is because of developer support
[23:52] <jwr> super basic, but have you tried your system settings -> software and updates -> additional drivers, and see if there's a driver available. might just be a point and clicky solution waiting for you.
[23:52] <Mibix> jwr that is what i had to do for mine
[23:52] <ezs-floggin-pipe> Yeah it doesn't show up anywhere there
[23:52] <Ben64> ezs-floggin-pipe: again, explain in detail the issue
[23:52] <Mibix> i couldnt see anything through the monitor, had to use IPMI
[23:53] <ezs-floggin-pipe> it won't install. right clicked threw all the files on all the Launchers and Software packages
[23:53] <Ben64> verb: detail;    1.    describe item by item; give the full particulars of.
[23:53] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I am not fromilar with terminal services in Linux though.  With that said I am just lacking experience in the command lines
[23:54] <hugospinto> Jordan_U I see. so the UEFI firmware is able to find the location of the grub2 bootloader within my partition
[23:54] <ezs-floggin-pipe> ATI HD3600
[23:54] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Yes.
[23:54] <ezs-floggin-pipe> I have gotten steam to produce DIAG notices on launch though
[23:55] <ezs-floggin-pipe> these Notices will only show on boot though
[23:55] <Mibix> ezs-floggin-pipe http://askubuntu.com/questions/306043/ati-radeon-hd-3600-driver-for-ubuntu
[23:55] <Mibix> ?
[23:56] <tomreyn> just use the open source driver
[23:57] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Let's just be absolutely sure that you are using UEFI. Please pastebin the output of "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS".
[23:58] <hugospinto> Jordan_U http://pastebin.com/NHg1rLB7
[23:59] <Jordan_U> hugospinto: Great, you are using UEFI.