[02:38] <exceswater> and please tell me about libre music
[02:38] <raphink> http://www.musique-libre.org is libre music exceswater
[02:39] <exceswater> but can i download music from there ?
[02:39] <exceswater> or just listen online :d
[02:39] <exceswater> ? ? ?
[02:39] <raphink> there's also http://jamendo.ratiatum.com/
[02:39] <raphink> both exceswater
[02:39] <exceswater> i prefer something in english
[02:40] <raphink> heh
[02:40] <waylandbill> :)
[02:40] <raphink> the problem is that if you serach in english
[02:40] <exceswater> i know a little bit more english than french
[02:40] <raphink> you'll find free music
[02:40] <raphink> as in free beer
[02:40] <exceswater> yes ?
[02:40] <raphink> but not libre music
[02:40] <exceswater> oic
[02:40] <exceswater> i'm not so used to be free :d
[02:40] <raphink> that's the pb with english
[02:40] <waylandbill> I love free beer though.
[02:40] <exceswater> we had our "revolucion" only 16 years ago :D
[02:40] <raphink> you're from romania right?
[02:41] <exceswater> yup
[02:41] <raphink> ok
[02:41] <exceswater> land of dracula
[02:41] <exceswater> :D
[02:41] <raphink> haha
[02:41] <waylandbill> hehe
[02:41] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> romania enforces us copyright laws?/
[02:41] <exceswater> now it;s kinda draculazy land
[02:41] <exceswater> :D
[02:42] <exceswater> hehe
[02:42] <exceswater> now amarok won't play mp3's
[02:43] <exceswater> i know about !mp3
[02:43] <raphink> exceswater: you have to install libxine-extracodecs for that
[02:43] <exceswater> that's the second cute thing about installing kubuntu :d
[02:43] <exceswater> now i'm updating things for nvidia
[02:43] <raphink> exceswater: is this your first day on linux?
[02:43] <exceswater> third
[02:44] <exceswater> fourth
[02:44] <exceswater> :D
[02:44] <raphink> hehe
[02:44] <raphink> I can tell
[02:44] <exceswater> some like that
[02:44] <exceswater> :D
[02:44] <raphink> you seem so excited about it :)
[02:44] <exceswater> i can tell too
[02:44] <exceswater> and i am noob
[02:44] <exceswater> :D
[02:44] <raphink> hehe
[02:44] <exceswater> i like it
[02:44] <exceswater> :D
[02:44] <raphink> that's good :)
[02:44] <waylandbill> you need libmad0 too
[02:44] <exceswater> i like the feeling
[02:44] <raphink> waylandbill: not on dapper
[02:44] <waylandbill> ok
[02:44] <raphink> it's installed as a dependency now iirc
[02:44] <exceswater> it's like driving a Cadillac on a street full of Trabants
[02:44] <exceswater> :D
[02:44] <raphink> exceswater: :)
[02:44] <exceswater> aaa
[02:45] <exceswater> what cars do you people have ?
[02:45] <raphink> haha
[02:45] <raphink> I have an opel corsa
[02:45] <raphink> 1986 model
[02:45] <raphink> )
[02:45] <raphink> :)
[02:45] <waylandbill> gasoline powered. :-)
[02:45] <exceswater> lol
[02:46] <exceswater> what car i mean like: toyota, ford
[02:46] <exceswater> etc
[02:46] <exceswater> :D
[02:46] <waylandbill> Kia and Dodge
[02:46] <exceswater> and tell me how to install those codecs please
[02:46] <jeff_> opel is like a ford etc
[02:46] <exceswater> nice dodge
[02:46] <exceswater> yup
[02:46] <exceswater> you all are americans ?
[02:46] <jeff_> use adept
[02:46] <raphink> exceswater: I'm french
[02:46] <waylandbill> I am
[02:46] <exceswater> corsa :D
[02:46] <exceswater> nice
[02:46] <exceswater> sporty
[02:46] <exceswater> :D
[02:47] <raphink> exceswater: you can either use adept or the command line : `sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs`
[02:47] <raphink> linuxbambi: lol
[02:47] <waylandbill> exceswater: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:47] <exceswater> ok
[02:47] <exceswater> 10x
[02:47] <exceswater> how is america ?
[02:47] <raphink> exceswater: you need to activate multiverse for that, though
[02:47] <linuxbambi> hi everybody
[02:47] <exceswater> it's a nice place to live ?
[02:47] <exceswater> i think i did
[02:47] <raphink> exceswater: did you do that already?
[02:47] <raphink> ok
[02:47] <exceswater> i hope i did :d
[02:48] <linuxbambi> just installed cedega and wanted to install Steam, but the terminal came up with a failure
[02:48] <raphink> hehe
[02:48] <exceswater> first days of kubuntu is like seducing a japanese girls
[02:48] <exceswater> first days of kubuntu is like seducing a japanese girl
[02:48] <raphink> exceswater: did you edit your /etc/sources.list?
[02:48] <jeff_> right now i would rather be in germany
[02:48] <waylandbill> raphink: he did earlier
[02:48] <raphink> waylandbill: ok :)
[02:48] <jeff_> for the WC
[02:48] <exceswater> who speaks only japanese... and you speak english
[02:48] <exceswater> hehe
[02:48] <raphink> I'd like to be in Paris now, for the UDS
[02:48] <exceswater> i hate football
[02:48] <exceswater> :d
[02:49] <exceswater> i like to be in miami
[02:49] <exceswater> for the sun
[02:49] <raphink> oh there's sun here, too
[02:49] <exceswater> football is kinda booring for me
[02:49] <exceswater> :d
[02:49] <jeff_> no sun in france
[02:49] <exceswater> really booring
[02:49] <raphink> jeff_: not today, taht's right but usually there is
[02:49] <jeff_> hehe
[02:49] <raphink> this place is famous for the sun, sea and mountains
[02:49] <raphink> ;)
[02:49] <exceswater> i better watch a nice movie
[02:49] <exceswater> heh
[02:50] <exceswater> you guys should come to Romania
[02:50] <exceswater> :D
[02:50] <exceswater> nice country
[02:50] <raphink> indeed
[02:50] <raphink> I'd like to
[02:50] <exceswater> nice girls
[02:50] <exceswater> oh
[02:50] <jeff_> what is type of goverment now
[02:50] <exceswater> did i said nice
[02:50] <exceswater> ?
[02:50] <exceswater> beautifull
[02:50] <exceswater> lol
[02:50] <exceswater> selfish  government
[02:51] <exceswater> they steal for themselves
[02:51] <exceswater> :D
[02:51] <jeff_> best kind
[02:51] <exceswater> like in all countryes
[02:51] <exceswater> :D
[02:51] <jeff_> no gove handouts
[02:51] <jeff_> no programs
[02:51] <linuxbambi> lol stupid spam
[02:51] <exceswater> nothing good here
[02:51] <exceswater> they sell everything... for their profit
[02:52] <jeff_> way it should be
[02:52] <exceswater> we even have goldmines
[02:52] <exceswater> they want to sell them
[02:52] <exceswater> :D
[02:52] <exceswater> hehe
[02:52] <jeff_> really
[02:52] <exceswater> screw them
[02:52] <linuxbambi> u should rename to excesflood
[02:52] <exceswater> nice...
[02:53] <exceswater> we had enough floods
[02:53] <exceswater> :D
[02:53] <linuxbambi> then stop it
[02:53] <exceswater> flood is kinda exceswater
[02:53] <exceswater> i am aquarius
[02:53] <exceswater> that's why :D this nick
[02:53] <exceswater> :D
[02:53] <linuxbambi> whatever -  i don't care but stop spamming the channel
[02:54] <exceswater> oic
[02:54] <jeff_> has anyone used PCLinuxOS
[02:54] <exceswater> sorry
[02:54] <exceswater> no more spam... i shut up
[02:54] <exceswater> excuse me
[02:55] <jeff_> has anyone used PCLinuxOS
[02:55] <waylandbill> exceswater: did you get flashplayer running in Konq?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> !enter
[02:55] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jeff_: no
[02:55] <jeff_> I recently switched from PCLinux to Kubuntu--so far I like it better
[02:56] <jeff_> But adept's interface sucks
[02:56] <exceswater> not yet..  i am updating things for nvidia drivers to work waylandbill... i was making friends ... but some ppl say i flood channel :D
[02:57] <waylandbill> well, there are better channels for that purpose.
[02:57] <phimic> hi all
[02:57] <jeff_> exceswater--once you have the repostories opened I find you can get things worknig fairly easy
[02:58] <jeff_> I can't get amorak to play CD's though
[02:59] <exceswater> it's amarok. ... and it's about mp3 codecs
[02:59] <exceswater> i had same problem
[02:59] <exceswater> try :sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:59] <jeff_> installed
[02:59] <exceswater> and  ? ? ??
[02:59] <jeff_> no good
[02:59] <exceswater> it just jumps over the mp3 without really playing it ?
[03:00] <jeff_> not sure I was talking about off a cd
[03:00] <waylandbill> jeff_: I have the problem of CD's playing to. I lack an analog CD cable to sound card. I just rip the tracks instead.
[03:00] <jeff_> I take that back it plays MP3 fine
[03:00] <jeff_> that could be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:00] <exceswater> jeff_: ask apologizes to Amarok :D
[03:01] <exceswater> yes... could be the cable missing from cd rom to sound card :D
[03:01] <jeff_> the cable is on the sound card right?
[03:01] <jeff_> I bet that's it
[03:01] <waylandbill> jeff_: I should say that my integrated sound card doesn't have a location for the cable.
[03:02] <jeff_> yea
[03:02] <jeff_> that stinks
[03:02] <exceswater> it should be a cable from cd rom to sound board
[03:02] <exceswater> come here
[03:02] <exceswater> i give u that cable
[03:02] <exceswater> :D
[03:03] <jeff_> i'll pop right over
[03:03] <exceswater> yup mate... dcc yourself 2 romania
[03:03] <exceswater> ;)
[03:03] <jeff_> :)
[03:04] <waylandbill> jeff_: doesn't bug me too much, since I just use Konqueror to rip the tracks fairly easily.
[03:05] <jeff_> just rip to mp3?
[03:06] <jeff_> havent tried it---i'll give it a go.
[03:06] <burepe1> I am taking a hdb1 drive from my old comp with 2 drives to make it the main one in a new kubuntu install. Is the fact that it is "hdb1" going to cause a problem? how do I change it to "hda1"?
[03:06] <waylandbill> lately Konq shows you all the formats you can rip too right in the window when viewing the CD.
[03:06] <jeff_> ok
[03:07] <waylandbill> jeff_: of course, if you have the backend for your desired format installed.
[03:07] <jeff_> loading cd now
[03:08] <pssc> anyone here able to update http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[03:08] <jeff_> says extract and encode tracks---guess thats it
[03:08] <waylandbill> burepe1: you need to install grub (modified) in that drive and you have to change the fstab.
[03:09] <waylandbill> jeff_: I actually stumbled on those new CD features one day. Hadn't known for a long time.
[03:10] <jeff_> cool
[03:10] <jeff_> got error mesg
[03:10] <jeff_> No encoder has been selected.
[03:10] <jeff_> Please select an encoder in the configuration.
[03:18] <phimic> my notebook does not support suspend to mem, so i installed a kernel which supports suspend2
[03:19] <phimic> how can i assing the shortcut FN+ESC to the hibernate command
[03:19] <paxmax> ooo
[03:20] <paxmax> iatalianiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:20] <tackat> you can use kmenuedit or assign it somewhere in /etc/.../acpi/... iirc
[03:21] <tackat>  /etc/acpi/events
[03:23] <tackat> phimic: did that answer your Q?
[03:28] <jeff_> got it working thks
[03:29] <exceswater> hey
[03:29] <exceswater> jeff
[03:29] <exceswater> install 3ddesk
[03:29] <exceswater> u know it ?
[03:31] <waylandbill> is that the one with the animation when you switch desktops?
[03:33] <exceswater> yup
[03:33] <exceswater> very nice
[03:34] <waylandbill> was thinking of trying at home. this pc's a slug. didn't know what I'd gain with the eyecandy though.
[03:34] <exceswater> about flashplayer-nonfree
[03:34] <GullyFoyle> is there a deb2targz program like rpm2targz?
[03:34] <exceswater> it says cannot find it
[03:35] <Hobbsee> GullyFoyle: just grab the source, instead of the deb file...
[03:35] <exceswater> what i can do ?
[03:35] <waylandbill> flashplugin-nonfree
[03:36] <exceswater> got it
[03:36] <exceswater> 10x
[03:36] <waylandbill> exceswater: don't forget to config konq telling it to scan for new plugins
[03:37] <exceswater> k
[03:37] <exceswater> :D
[03:38] <exceswater> and one last thing
[03:38] <exceswater> how can i add some commands to konversation
[03:38] <Hobbsee> exceswater: as in, aliases?
[03:38] <exceswater> so i can log in automatically when i start iit
[03:38] <exceswater> no
[03:38] <Hobbsee> exceswater: hit f2
[03:38] <Hobbsee> get the server you want, hit connect at startup
[03:38] <exceswater> yes ?
[03:39] <waylandbill> in ther server config, enter your nickserv password in the password entry
[03:39] <exceswater> i want to add something like: /nick exceswater and /msg nickserv identify pass
[03:39] <exceswater> ok
[03:39] <exceswater> 10x
[03:39] <exceswater> :D
[03:40] <exceswater> restart
[03:40] <exceswater> for nvidia and libxine
[03:40] <Hobbsee> exceswater: did you find it?
[03:40] <exceswater> yup
[03:40] <exceswater> smart noob
[03:40] <exceswater> 10x
[03:40] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:40] <exceswater> hehe
[03:40] <exceswater> flash is ok
[03:40] <exceswater> running
[03:40] <exceswater> 10x guys
[03:40] <exceswater> restart
[03:40] <exceswater> :D
[03:40] <waylandbill> I find it confusing that the field is just "Password" since servers can accept user passwords
[03:41] <phimic> thanks tackat
[03:42] <knubbe> is there any way to make eclipse faster? i think its really slow on my laptop.
[03:43] <GullyFoyle> how do i get my history in konqueror?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> GullyFoyle: hit f9, then hit the history icon
[03:46] <GullyFoyle> Hobbsee: ah thanks
[03:46] <rigonatti> hi all ....does anyone now how to instal make... makeisntall and etc?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[03:47] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[03:47] <rigonatti> !make
[03:48] <exceswater> hey
[03:48] <exceswater> please tell me where can i bind some keys to 3ddesk
[03:49] <eightiesk> !mp3
[03:49] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[03:49] <exceswater> i don't remember
[03:49] <exceswater> !bind
[03:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about bind
[03:49] <apokryphos> exceswater: kcontrol, accessilbity... input actions? Or something
[03:49] <raphink> 3ddesk eats memory for nothing
[03:50] <apokryphos> raphink: nah, it looks cool if you don't have xgl+compiz 8)
[03:50] <GullyFoyle> i'm using this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-188198.html  to try to get 32bit flash working with 64bit konq, but at one point the guy says to open some files with ark to edit them, but the files  are .debs! wtf. ark can't open .debs. any body got an idea?
[03:50] <apokryphos> for a few seconds, anyway
[03:50] <raphink> xgl has the same effects instead it uses your 3D card directly
[03:50] <raphink> I mean + compiz
[03:50] <apokryphos> GullyFoyle: it can
[03:50] <exceswater> life is so booring
[03:50] <raphink> apokryphos: exactly
[03:50] <exceswater> why not make it look nice
[03:50] <apokryphos> exceswater: you should, but try the proper ways first.
[03:50] <apokryphos> exceswater: what card do you have?
[03:53] <exceswater> nvidia
[03:53] <exceswater> why
[03:53] <exceswater> done it
[03:53] <exceswater> 10x
[03:53] <exceswater> why apokryphos
[03:54] <exceswater> what can i do more
[03:54] <exceswater> some themes and things like that ?
[03:54] <apokryphos> exceswater: what nvidia?
[03:54] <exceswater> geforce 4mx 440
[03:54] <exceswater> 64 ram
[03:54] <exceswater> this is my work pc
[03:54] <exceswater>  :d
[03:54] <eightiesk> how do i get restricted formats for dapper it doesn't say
[03:55] <apokryphos> !faq
[03:55] <apokryphos> eightiesk: check there
[03:55] <exceswater> !themes
[03:55] <ubotu> faq is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[03:55] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://art.ubuntu.com - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:55] <exceswater> apokryphos: what can i do more ?
[03:55] <GullyFoyle> ark won't open .debs for me it brings up an error msg saying "this utility is not in your PATH"
[03:56] <GullyFoyle> so whatever prog that ark is a frontend for is not in my PATH because ark itself IS in myPATH
[03:56] <eightiesk> apokryphos: where?
[03:56] <waylandbill> GullyFoyle: trying to view the deb or install it?
[03:57] <eightiesk> !mp3
[03:57] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[03:57] <apokryphos> exceswater: hm, looks like you can't get it working there then
[03:57] <apokryphos> exceswater: yes, I recommend getting some nice stuff from http://kdelook.org
[03:57] <GullyFoyle> waylandbill: i'm trying to edit the .debs to get 32bit flash working in 64bit konq
[03:57] <apokryphos> eightiesk: http://kdelook.org, there
[03:57] <exceswater> i am
[03:57] <apokryphos> eightiesk: also, you can use the bot in /msg :)
[03:57] <exceswater> thanks
[03:58] <apokryphos> GullyFoyle: extract it with dpkg
[03:58] <GullyFoyle> what;s the flag to extract it or should i wade thru the mnapage?
[03:58] <apokryphos> man dpkg
[03:59] <waylandbill> man dpkg | grep extract
[03:59] <apokryphos> GullyFoyle: you shouldn't have to wade all the way through; just man, then use / to search :P
[03:59] <GullyFoyle> hrm, dpkg-deb -x looks like the one
[03:59] <apokryphos> yes
[03:59] <GullyFoyle> ok here goes
[04:00] <edneymatias> morning all!
[04:00] <GullyFoyle> that's prolly why ark wouldnt open the .deb cuz dpkg needs sudo
[04:01] <GullyFoyle> ark prolly calls dpkg
[04:01] <waylandbill> could always call with kdesu
[04:01] <apokryphos> it needs sudo to extract? Don't think so..
[04:01] <apokryphos> dpkg the command itself doesn't need sudo, it only needs it for a few operations
[04:01] <rigonatti> hi all
[04:01] <apokryphos> hi
[04:02] <rigonatti> how do i set the Firefox to be the default app to web browser?
[04:02] <exceswater> apokryphos: i found a nice screen saver there
[04:02] <apokryphos> rigonatti: from system settings; k menu -> system settings
[04:02] <apokryphos> exceswater: which one?
[04:02] <exceswater> but i just don't know how to instll int
[04:02] <GullyFoyle> well ark would not open the .deb that's all i know
[04:02] <exceswater> qstars
[04:03] <waylandbill> GullyFoyle: I'd think you'd only need sudo if you were extracting to a place you normally couldn't
[04:04] <exceswater> it's a tar.gz file
[04:04] <exceswater> it's an archive
[04:04] <apokryphos> exceswater: link?
[04:04] <waylandbill> exceswater: you got a source archive?
[04:04] <exceswater> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10066
[04:04] <GullyFoyle> waylandbill: ark gave error msg that the utility wasn't in my PATH, even though ark itself (the GUI) was open
[04:04] <exceswater> it's downloading
[04:04] <GullyFoyle> i gotta go
[04:04] <exceswater> not so big ... i hope it's nice
[04:05] <rigonatti> apkryphos where at settings ?
[04:05] <exceswater> it's downloading so slow... 1,2 k/s
[04:05] <exceswater> ugly
[04:06] <waylandbill> rigonatti: KDE Components
[04:07] <apokryphos> rigonatti: is there not something called input actions under accessibility?
[04:07] <exceswater> apokryphos: got an ideea about how to install it ?
[04:08] <apokryphos> exceswater: does it have a README file?
[04:08] <exceswater> dunno yet
[04:08] <exceswater> just a sec
[04:08] <exceswater> to complete download
[04:16] <rigonatti> apokryphos: sorry ...i was trying to install SynCE
[04:18] <rigonatti> Why Synce dont works fine =(
[04:19] <rigonatti> !synce
[04:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about synce
[04:20] <slow-motion> re
[04:22] <bleaked> so here's a bizarre kde question: i have setup up 'quick file browswer' kicker buttons to directories i frequent (you click them, they open to directory x -- it's a kicker applet).  recently i had installed the ubuntu-desktop package to try out gnome..after a few days i removed the package (installed via aptitiude, so it should have removed gnome [though it doesn't appear to have grabbed everything, probably deps] ) -- now when i click on
[04:26] <rigonatti> Does anyone here sync Kubuntu with PDA ?
[04:28] <exceswater> bye all
[04:29] <bleaked> bye, sir
[04:29] <rigonatti> does anyone know how the isntall the C compiles to use .configure and make ?
[04:30] <bleaked> rigonatti: install the build-essential package
[04:30] <rigonatti> bleaked: txs
[04:30] <bleaked> no prob
[04:31] <rigonatti> Does anyone use Synce or know where can i find RAKI (Synce for KDE )?
[04:31] <eightiesk> !opera
[04:31] <ubotu> An advanced and free (only as in price) Web browser. Howto at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser Latest Ubuntu packages always at: http://opera.com/download
[04:32] <bleaked> rigonatti: i searched my package repository for 'raki', and i got the synce-kde package.
[04:32] <bleaked> idk if that's what you're looking for.
[04:34] <rigonatti> bleaked: estrange...i didnt find
[04:34] <motaba> hai
[04:34] <rigonatti> bleaked: dis use adept ?
[04:35] <bleaked> rigonatti: you might not have the universe repository enabled
[04:35] <rigonatti> im doing this
[04:35] <bleaked> i have every repo enabled purely for complete access to software.
[04:38] <rigonatti> bleaked: is installed ...strange taht RAki give me a error "Could not start dccm or dccm has exited."
[04:40] <Raven301> When I click on a http link konqueror launches ... I want firefox to launch ... I have change it in the kde components but still doesn't work? Any ideas ??
[04:40] <stefan_> Hello all
[04:40] <stefan_> I just tried to install otrs
[04:41] <stefan_> but when I go todomain.tld/otrs/installer.pl
[04:41] <rigonatti> !raki
[04:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about raki
[04:41] <stefan_> then I get the apache2 server error 500
[04:41] <stefan_> there is nothing in apache2 error.log
[04:42] <stefan_> can someone help?
[04:42] <bleaked> Raven301: restart the app that you're clicking from, shoudl work every time.
[04:43] <Raven301> ok I'll try that bleaked
[04:44] <bleaked> so here's a bizarre kde question: i have setup up 'quick file browswer' kicker buttons to directories i frequent (you click them, they open to directory x -- it's a kicker applet).  recently i had installed gnome to try it out..after a few days i removed it - now, literally since i have removed gnome, when i click on the quick links, regardless of if they're old, or i create new ones, konqueror appears to be loading in the taskbar, but no
[04:45] <geneo93> type it in terminal
[04:45] <railk> has kubuntu got multiple processor support?
[04:45] <geneo93> yes
[04:47] <Raven301> bleaked: Still doesn't work
[04:55] <robinsw> Hi, guys... Kubuntu's telling me that my max screen size is 1024x768, but I know that its higher... where can I change this?
[04:55] <JavaGeek> System Settings -> Display
[04:56] <_ryan> Hey all, need a little Java assistance.  I've got sun-java5 installed (I believe correctly) but when I do a "java -version" I'm still getting 1.4.2, any suggestions?
[04:56] <apokryphos> !faq
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[04:56] <apokryphos> robinsw: check that
[04:56] <robinsw> JavaGeek, it won't let me put it any higher than what it is.
[04:56] <robinsw> 1024x768, but it can go up to 1152x864
[04:56] <bleaked> Raven301: you changed to to say, /usr/bin/firefox ?
[04:56] <bleaked> Raven301: just firefox will not work
[04:57] <Raven301> oh ... is it not mozilla-firefox
[04:57] <robinsw> How do I restart the X server?
[04:57] <bleaked> Raven301: no, that's a legacy debian packge.
[04:57] <apokryphos> robinsw: ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:58] <bleaked> robinsw: you can do it from the kdm login screen.. or simply ctrl-alt-backspace (this will kill everythign in X though)
[04:58] <Raven301> bleaked: /usr/bin/firefox didn't work either
[04:58] <robinsw> Bleaked, thanks.
[04:58] <gnomefreak> Raven301: firefox-bin is normal  if you installed a versiont hat did not come with the ubuntu version it changes to firefox instead of firefox-bin
[04:59] <_ryan> anybody have any tips on my java version issue?
[04:59] <bleaked> gnomefreak: good to know..
[04:59] <Raven301> ok gnomefreak
[04:59] <gnomefreak> _ryan: whats the issue?
[05:00] <gnomefreak> and if above applies its now in /opt/ instead of /usr/ if you follow the wiki
[05:00] <railk> my processor supports hyperthreading and i get the following lines in dmesg:
[05:00] <railk> [17179569.184000]  Processor #0 15:3 APIC version 20
[05:00] <railk> [17179569.184000]  ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02]  lapic_id[0x01]  enabled)
[05:00] <railk> [17179569.184000]  Processor #1 15:3 APIC version 20
[05:00] <railk> [17179569.184000]  WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached.  Processor ignored.
[05:00] <JavaGeek> robinsw: Administrator mode -> Hardware -> Monitor -> Configure... -> select your monitor make/model/max aspect
[05:00] <robinsw> Cheers, JavaGeek
[05:01] <JavaGeek> robinsw: and it is cleaner if you log off and on the login screen do Menu -> Restart X-Server
[05:01] <_ryan> gnomefreak: I've got sun-java5 installed (I believe correctly) but I still get "1.4.2" when I do a "java -version"
[05:01] <gnomefreak> _ryan: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:01] <gnomefreak> _ryan: choose the new java
[05:01] <JavaGeek> ctrl-alt-backspace kills all the processes
[05:01] <robinsw> JavaGeek: OK, but where is the Hardware section? Am I looking in System Settings?
[05:01] <_ryan> cool, I'll give that a shot!  Thank you.
[05:02] <robinsw> Ah, got it
[05:02] <robinsw> Cheers.
[05:02] <gnomefreak> _ryan: update-alternatives is a system wide setting for defaults if you do sudo update-alternatives --all it will let you choose default for everything it knows about
[05:03] <railk> ... i also get (in dmesg) [17179583.292000]  Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[05:03] <RadiantFire> can someone share with my why XF86AudioLower is not in the keysym list when I know very well it is
[05:04] <n3storm> hi everyone
[05:05] <n3storm> I have found something strange in Kubuntu Dapper
[05:05] <n3storm> When printing as a user I can't change printer settings
[05:05] <n3storm> like doble side printing and so
[05:05] <_ryan> gnomefreak: That is an awesome tip.  I'm going through --all now.  Any idea if I should use the Sun version of rmiregistry?
[05:05] <n3storm> am I missing something?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> _ryan: the new one i use the new one on all of the java ones
[05:06] <_ryan> cool, thanks again
[05:06] <gnomefreak> anytime
[05:07] <n3storm> should my user be in the lpadmin group?
[05:08] <Chozabu> gnomefreak, thanks! that really is a handy tip :D
[05:09] <gnomefreak> Chozabu: yw
[05:10] <RadiantFire> :-)
[05:10] <RadiantFire> so nice to see gnomefreak in the kubuntu channel :-)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ;)
[05:11] <n3storm> I joined the lpadmin group and still cant choose my printer advanced options: resolution, color, dobleside printing
[05:11] <n3storm> is anybody having this problem?
[05:15] <bleaked> so here's a bizarre kde question: i have setup up 'quick file browswer' kicker buttons to directories i frequent (you click them, they open to directory x -- it's a kicker applet).  recently i had installed gnome to try it out..after a few days i removed it - now, literally since i have removed gnome, when i click on the quick links, regardless of if they're old, or i create new ones, konqueror appears to be loading in the taskbar, but no
[05:16] <RadiantFire> bleaked: when you "removed" gnome did you purge it or just remove?
[05:16] <RadiantFire> every so often gnome and kde don't play well together
[05:20] <rigonatti> Does anyone can help me with synce ?
[05:22] <rigonatti> Does anyone can help me with SynCE  ?
[05:23] <Raven301> bleaked: gnomefreak thanks for the help ... but didn't work
[05:25] <rigonatti> :(
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ok lets start again what are you trying to do Raven301 ?
[05:26] <Raven301> eg in thunderbird there is a html link I click on it and konqeror launches ... I'm trying to get firefox to launch as the default
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Raven301: ah easy
[05:27] <Raven301> ok
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Raven301: sudo update-alternatives --all  (--all because i cant remember if its x-www-browser or not)
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Raven301: took me a month to figure that out lol
[05:28] <Raven301> gnomefreak: thanks nice command
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Raven301: that should do it and i want to say its sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser but i dont remember if thats the section name or not
[05:30] <Raven301> gnomefreak: yes it is x-www-browser
[05:30] <Raven301> gnomefreak: big thanks
[05:30] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> Raven301: I fixed that by adding user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/opt/firefox/firefox"); to prefs.js
[05:31] <Raven301> h3sp4wn: thanks too
[05:34] <pssc> anyone here able to update http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:36] <Hobbsee> pssc: yeah, where's the problem?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can edit that
[05:37] <pssc> Hobbsee: Riddell: link for UK DVD's should be  http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06/release/
[05:38] <geneo93> use the text installer for best resualts
[05:43] <Hhhhh> hello, how do I add a printer?
[05:43] <n3storm> Hhhhh: go to "system preferences" at the K menu
[05:44] <Hhhhh> heh, I should have thought of that :) thanks
[05:45] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> any linux gurus in here?  , i did apt-get autoclean and it removed some libs tha amarok 1.4.0 was using , i want to reinstall them but no sure how
[05:46] <geneo93> i doubt if that removed any libs
[05:46] <Chozabu> mark amarok for reinstall?
[05:46] <Chozabu> sorry, i dont know, but it may work
[05:46] <geneo93> it just clears cache after install
[05:48] <robinsw> Howdy, gang
[05:49] <robinsw> How can I directly edit the X configuration file?
[05:49] <dr_willis> vi /etc/xorg.conf
[05:49] <dr_willis> and have a blast
[05:49] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> maybe it didnt removed libs but it removed something because some scripts no longer work in amark
[05:50] <dr_willis> as root of course. :P
[05:50] <robinsw> lol
[05:50] <dr_willis> backup your existing xorg.conf first
[05:50] <robinsw> Can't get it to have 1152x768 75hz as a screen mode.
[05:50] <robinsw> Keep entering those values, but its giving nothing.
[05:50] <robinsw> There's lots of other xorg.confs with different numbers.
[05:50] <_manuel> echo "hello" > /dev/world
[05:50] <dr_willis> ive often used that x modeline generator web site
[05:50] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: did you do dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:50] <DarkRavenMixage> what does the kubuntu dvd contain????
[05:51] <dr_willis> it helped me set up my laptop/widescreen
[05:51] <robinsw> Erm...
[05:51] <robinsw> No?
[05:51] <robinsw> N0ctuRnal, what do I type/
[05:51] <robinsw> ?
[05:51] <_manuel> chmod 777 /dev/world
[05:51] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: do , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:51] <rigonatti> does anyone here use SynCE or RAKi to sync Pocket PCs with Linux ?
[05:51] <enterprise> test
[05:51] <_manuel> chown people.people /dev/planet
[05:52] <robinsw> n0ctuRnal-fieNd, thanks!
[05:52] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: then configure it
[05:52] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: make sure you select the right driver etc
[05:52] <chavo> chown: `people.people': invalid user
[05:52] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: what video card /driver you use
[05:53] <cox377> Hey All
[05:53] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> hey
[05:53] <robinsw> n0c: GeForce 4 MX
[05:54] <DarkRavenMixage> what does the kubuntu dvd contain????
[05:54] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: if you installed the nvidia sriver you gonna have 2 different options to select fro9m the driver , the stock driver is nv , the one you should use is NVIDIA
[05:55] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> robinsw: hit tab to autocomplete nicknames you want to speak to
[05:55] <geneo93> main and restricted
[05:56] <elvstone> hello. does kubuntu come preinstalled with any firewall? e.g. does it block any ports by default? i'm trying to get the collaborative editor Gobby working behind a firewall, my router allows the traffic but my kubuntu machine seems to block it (TCP on port 6522).
[05:57] <elvstone> i'm not really Linux-literate, long time since i used it ;)
[05:57] <kuzmaster> hello all
[05:57] <elvstone> so question; if kubuntu really blocks all ports by default, how can i just open up TCP 6522?
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> I take it you are testing the forwarding from outside the network ?
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> Kubuntu doesn't block any ports by default
[05:58] <elvstone> yes, it's from another connection.
[05:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> the default install doesnt have a firewall
[05:59] <elvstone> hm. okay. guess i need to look further at my firewall config then.. hrm.
[05:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> if its blocked then possibly by your router  , or the isp maybe?
[05:59] <elvstone> would be surprised if ISP blocks it, maybe i just kludged with the fw rules..
[06:00] <Riddell> pssc: try now
[06:00] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> which firewall did you install?
[06:01] <elvstone> i just googled and found this article; http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/03/09/tuning-kubuntu.html, which says; "There is no option during installation to configure a firewall, and Kubuntu includes no graphical firewall configurators. Kubuntu installs with no open ports, so strictly speaking it doesn't need one.".. which lead me to believe it's the kubuntu machine blocking.
[06:01] <elvstone> the fw is an old obsd machine i have here at work.
[06:01] <bleaked> RadiantFire: sorry, the phone called... i had installed ubuntu-desktop via aptitude, then removed it the same way..
[06:01] <dr_willis> no open ports - because no services are using them?
[06:01] <dr_willis> im thinking  that info is lacking..
[06:02] <dr_willis> and their logic is faulty
[06:02] <elvstone> dr_willis: tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:6522            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[06:02] <elvstone> dr_willis: yea i think so too.
[06:02] <dr_willis> go to one of those port scanner web sites and sees
[06:02] <dr_willis> i used ktorrent and other things with out twiddling with any firewall
[06:02] <pssc> Riddell: thanks that's looking good now
[06:03] <Riddell> pssc: are you the guy who e-mailed me about it a while ago?
[06:03] <elvstone> yea. and i installed sshd and it runs fine without me having to open any port, so that's probably not it.. hrm.
[06:04] <elvstone> my friend who i'm trying out this collaborative editor with nmapped me from outside and said the port was filtered.
[06:04] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is there a way  to find out who made a certain driver or who maintains it?
[06:04] <elvstone> ah. just telneted from a machine inside the NAT and the port is open.
[06:05] <elvstone> so nevermind, problem is somewhere else.
[06:05] <elvstone> thx anyway.
[06:05] <pssc> Riddell: yeah that's me ;-)
[06:08] <aeon17x> how do I set kdm as my default login manager?
[06:09] <dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure kdm (i think)
[06:10] <slow-motion> !easysource
[06:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:14] <KuLover> Anyone here use Karamba? or SuperKaramba?
[06:16] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> waz iz karamba?
[06:16] <geneo93> its like confabulator
[06:17] <KuLover> Anyone use it? lol
[06:18] <geneo93> i dont
[06:22] <erik__> how do I get kubuntu to play videos from web pages! I've installed all video codecs and plugins with easyubuntu and still it won't play
[06:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> prabably need a flash player
[06:23] <leira> i want to change my Debian box to kubuntu, but i have LVMs on my disc, it seems the kubuntu Desktop CD cannot handle LVM?
[06:23] <xDigitalStealthx> has anyone tried to install xgl on kubuntu?
[06:24] <bleaked> alright, sorry if you've seen this question already, but it's driving me insane: i have setup 'quick file browser' kicker applets for directories i frequent.  recently, i installed the ubuntu-desktop package to try gnome out.  a week or so later, i removed the meta package, which removed what seemed to be most of gnome (aptitude :D).  now, none of these buttons work.  nor does opening mounted cds/flash drives via kio-slave dialog boxes.
[06:24] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> xDigitalStealthx: i tried
[06:24] <bleaked> xDigitalStealthx: yes, i think many people have.  if i'm not mistaken, it's #ubuntu-xgl
[06:25] <xDigitalStealthx> nocturnal: how did it turn out?
[06:25] <bleaked> and there are some nice fourm posts on ubuntuforums.com
[06:25] <leira> i want to change my Debian box to kubuntu, but i have LVMs on my disc, it seems the kubuntu Desktop CD cannot handle LVM?
[06:25] <xDigitalStealthx> thanx
[06:25] <bleaked> leira: what do you mean by 'cannot handle'?
[06:26] <leira> i saw: "The alternate install CD allows you to perform certain specialist installations of Kubuntu. It provides for the following situations: LVM and/or RAID partitioning;"
[06:26] <leira> so it seems i need alternate CD to install on LVM
[06:26] <jorugar1> Hola buenas tardes
[06:26] <jorugar1> sorry
[06:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> xDigitalStealthx: its bad if you use ati card
[06:27] <xDigitalStealthx> nvidia all the way
[06:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> xDigitalStealthx: it should work well with nvidia
[06:27] <xDigitalStealthx> any freezing or blotchiness to the desktop?
[06:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> xDigitalStealthx: actually it was all nice and cool on ati , but it crashed all the time
[06:28] <jorugar1> anything knows the spanish room of kubuntu?
[06:28] <geneo93> #kubuntu-es
[06:28] <xDigitalStealthx> nocturnal: i see.....thanx for the input
[06:29] <jorugar1> thanks geneo93
[06:29] <geneo93> yw
[06:30] <kuzmaster> hello all
[06:31] <geneo93> getting any kuz latley
[06:38] <cox377> how do people go about streaming media using linux, because it always tries to download it before it plays it
[06:40] <Webu> By the way about streaming media, does anyone know good video stream server?
[06:40] <Webu> So i could stream a camera to internet
[06:42] <bleaked> cox377: generally, one needs to have various browswer plug-ins installed.
[06:42] <bleaked> cox377: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  helps get many things up and running, including streaming support.
[06:44] <fini> jemand deutsch hier, und kann mir sagen ob es einen deutschen Kubuntu-Channel gibt?
[06:44] <lithrian> @fini mach mal /list
[06:45] <lithrian> ja der heit so
[06:47] <andrew_> what's going on fellas
[06:47] <psb154> is there a german kubuntu channel for fini?
[06:47] <fini> yes! i found it! :)
[06:48] <psb154> :-)
[06:56] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is there a kubuntu channel in canadian?  muahahahhahah
[06:57] <geneo93> #kubuntu-fr
[06:58] <geneo93> most canadians speak english
[06:58] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> lol , yeah ,
[06:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> anyone here uses x800 card or higher?
[06:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> with xgl?
[06:59] <DarkStone> hi
[06:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> hi
[06:59] <DarkStone> i want to sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[06:59] <DarkStone> but no such command as chattr?
[07:00] <DarkStone> i need to lock this file so that my dns values do not change every ten minutes
[07:00] <mikearthur> can anyone tell me how to remove the tab bar in kopete?
[07:00] <DarkStone> :|
[07:00] <DarkStone> does the command chattr exist?
[07:01] <geneo93> try chat plus tab
[07:01] <DarkStone> problem solved
[07:01] <DarkStone> its ok
[07:01] <DarkStone> i typed the file wrong :|
[07:02] <DarkStone> now to regain power over my wifi card muhahah >:)
[07:02] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> ok , good
[07:03] <complexity> anyone know how to make aterm fonts alot bigger?
[07:03] <complexity> i have .xdefaults
[07:04] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> you can set the font sizes in kcontrol i think
[07:04] <jorik> anyone else tried opera 9 yet ? is it just me or does it make some pages (slashdot, wikipedia, ...) render looking completely cramped ?
[07:04] <cossidhon> Hello, my tools menu in konqueror is completely empty. Any ideas?
[07:04] <DarkStone> ok
[07:04] <DarkStone> am i disconnected?
[07:04] <complexity> how when i removed kcontrol
[07:04] <jorik> im going back to opera 8 anyways
[07:05] <complexity> i want to set aterm font size ??...
[07:05] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> complexity: appearance/fonts
[07:05] <DarkStone> am i lagging?
[07:05] <DarkStone> someone ping me
[07:05] <DarkStone> my wifi is messing up
[07:05] <DarkStone> :S
[07:05] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> ping darkstone
[07:05] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> haha , its not pinging
[07:05] <DarkStone> ./ping darkstone
[07:05] <DarkStone> remove .
[07:06] <DarkStone> bah ill ping myself
[07:06] <DarkStone> :\
[07:06] <DarkStone> ok
[07:06] <complexity> you ping is fine
[07:06] <DarkStone> thanks for checkin
[07:06] <DarkStone> ok
[07:06] <cossidhon> ./ping darkstone
[07:06] <DarkStone> one more problem...
[07:06] <DarkStone> now that i have set my dns
[07:06] <DarkStone> i cannot access my router
[07:06] <DarkStone> :|
[07:07] <DarkStone> because my isp's dns is higher priority than my router's dns
[07:07] <DarkStone> how do i enable usage of both?
[07:08] <cossidhon> My tools-menu in konqueror is empty...
[07:08] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:08] <complexity> wtf i dont have kcontrol
[07:09] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> complexity: u said u removed it
[07:09] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> complexity: if u removed it then u dont have it
[07:09] <complexity> yes i dont have kdonctorl
[07:09] <complexity> i dont want it
[07:09] <complexity> i just want to change fonts in aterm
[07:09] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:09] <complexity> make it big
[07:09] <complexity> i cant see it good'
[07:09] <_ryan> I'm having some trouble with the kaffeine-mozilla plug-in.  I've got it installed and it shows up in firefox "about:plugins" but when I try to open a video I get "file could not be opened because the associated helper application does not exist."  Any suggestions?
[07:09] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:10] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> why why
[07:10] <cox377> bleaked: sorry i meant over shared drives
[07:10] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:10] <complexity> wtf
[07:10] <complexity> ..
[07:13] <Wikipedia-Gast> why?
[07:14] <slow-motion> bye
[07:14] <aeon17x> How do I enable smooth scrolling in konqueror?
[07:14] <tsdgeos> shift arrow up/down
[07:14] <tsdgeos> is that what you mean?
[07:17] <aeon17x> I mean, with the mouse
[07:17] <aeon17x> while using the scroll wheel
[07:17] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:17] <tsdgeos> aeon17x: ah, iirc you need a code patch for that
[07:18] <aeon17x> I see
[07:20] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> wiki, why did ur mama drop u as a child?
[07:23] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:23] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> why?
[07:23] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:23] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> why
[07:23] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:23] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> why
[07:23] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:24] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:24] <Wikipedia-Gast> life is a cookie
[07:24] <BlankB> Please take off-topic conversations to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:25] <aeon17x> zee!
[07:25] <Wikipedia-Gast> why
[07:26] <jvz> hey guys, has anyone seen mez lately?
[07:26] <pi1l> hello, my system hangs up periodicaly when using nvidia driver.. does anybody know how to fix it?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> maybe 2 days ago
[07:26] <nalioth> jvz: his emails go unreturned, and he's not been seen in a few months
[07:27] <nalioth> gnomefreak: you saw mez (was he identified as mez?)
[07:27] <jvz> mmkay...
[07:27] <gnomefreak> nalioth: he was seen in -ops dancing
[07:27] <gnomefreak> nalioth: i didnt know if he was ided or not
[07:27] <gnomefreak> id'ed
[07:27] <jvz> if he's the only admin of the en-gb translator team, I don't see how anyone else can get approved to translate on launchpad...
[07:27] <nalioth> jvz: i apologize, he was logged in yesterday
[07:27] <Dragoonz> will the kubuntu desktp run under ltsp
[07:27] <jvz> ah
[07:28] <nalioth> jvz: i suggest you use /memoserv to get with him
[07:28] <jvz> /memoserv
[07:28] <nalioth> i am in the same boat as you, jvz
[07:28] <nalioth> jvz: /msg memoserv help
[07:28] <jvz> dur, the bot?
[07:28] <jvz> oh, right
[07:28] <jvz> never use that bot
[07:29] <gnomefreak> jvz: i think its /memoserv list  that will show you a list of messages that you got while not logged on iirc
[07:29] <jvz> hmm, I'm usually logged on...
[07:29] <gnomefreak> jvz: i think to send its /memoserv <nick> message
[07:29] <jvz> and I think memoserv is like, too busy to help me :(
[07:30] <jvz> I propose that Kubuntu moves to OFTC.net like Debian did
[07:31] <jvz> anyone here know much about avc's like Ogg, Matroska, or AVI?
[07:32] <geneo93> jvz mplayer plays them
[07:33] <jvz> a likely story; have you tried out 1.0try8?
[07:33] <jvz> er, 1.0pre8
[07:33] <cox377> does anyone know why when ever you open a media file on a networkj drive kubuntu tries to download it before it plays it, is it possible to stream straight away?
[07:34] <jvz> what kind of network drive?
[07:34] <jvz> like, smb? or nfs?
[07:34] <jvz> because if you have it mounted somewhere (e.g. you mount a shared drive to /media/somedrive), it won't need to download it
[07:35] <jvz> it'd just stream directly via the file system
[07:36] <cox377> jvz: how do u go about mounting the drive?
[07:40] <Webu> Is there some kind of partiotioning software on Kubuntu?
[07:40] <seashell11> qtparted
[07:40] <seashell11> or gparted
[07:40] <Webu> I just need to partition my newly added 200gb disk
[07:40] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[07:41] <seashell11> then sudo qtparted
[07:41] <Webu> Ookey, with it i can make my new disk appear?
[07:41] <seashell11> it should have your disk listed, and it will apear after you partition it and mount it
[07:41] <apokryphos> !partition
[07:42] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[07:42] <jero> question: how do i enable grub if i installed ubuntu and now i have to install win xp?
[07:42] <apokryphos> gah, not that
[07:42] <apokryphos> oh actually, it mentions qtparted, yeah.
[07:42] <cox377> has anyone here used logmein??
[07:43] <Webu> !stream
[07:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about stream
[07:43] <Webu> !video
[07:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about video
[07:43] <Webu> Does anyone know a good video streaming software?
[07:43] <jero> question: how do i enable grub if i installed ubuntu and now i have to install win xp?
[07:44] <Bazzi> jero: with a live cd after installing winxp
[07:44] <jero> ok so is there a command i must enter with the ubuntu livecd?
[07:44] <jero> to jsut install grub
[07:44] <jero> because i did not see the option on the gui
[07:44] <Bazzi> the command is like "sudo grub-install hda1", but I don't know it by heart
[07:44] <cox377> !logmein
[07:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about logmein
[07:44] <jero> thank you
[07:45] <gnomefreak> Bazzi: isnt it /dev/hda1?
[07:45] <Bazzi> as I said, I don't know it by heart so it may as well be /dev/hda1
[07:46] <Webu> Qtparted owns your ass, thanks!
[07:46] <jero> thanks guys
[07:46] <Bazzi> gparted is better maintained though, Webu :P
[07:46] <jvz> okay, I have an idea for an extension to the BitTorrent protocol, let me know what you think
[07:46] <vandal> hey everyone, does anyone know why on kubuntu server i always get "out memory error" from putty or my screen will just freeze up and i will have to reconnect?
[07:46] <jvz> torrents would have the ability to add other protocols as mirrors for uploading (e.g. ftp, http, rsync)
[07:47] <jvz> that way, you could add fast ftp servers and whatnot to torrents to encourage the exclusive usage of torrents
[07:47] <jvz> is that viable?
[07:48] <Bazzi> jvz: it's a somewhat nice idea, but it hasn't quite succeeded yet
[07:48] <jvz> Bazzi: has someone tried it yet?
[07:48] <Bazzi> well the idea of course is floating around for a while
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> I don't think that is a good idea - any decent sized isp will have popular images in its webcaches anyway (so you won't get the file from the actual ftp server anyway)
[07:48] <Bazzi> but I guess nobody has figured out a sane way to implement it
[07:49] <Bazzi> or needed it that much so far
[07:49] <jvz> I guess it also depends on the limitations of http and ftp (e.g. whether or not you can download arbitrary chunks)
[07:50] <Bazzi> most well-configured webservers do allow that
[07:50] <Bazzi> but then again you cannot quite control the userlimit/bw in a sane way
[07:50] <jvz> that's what I was thinking
[07:50] <Bazzi> a torrent could be as bad as a DDoS for a http server
[07:50] <jvz> could treat an ftp server as a super-seed
[07:51] <vandal> anyone? no one else has had any odd ssh timeouts with kubuntu? it only happens on this box
[07:52] <osiris> ssh'ed into kubuntu for 3 days straight.  no timeouts here
[07:52] <vandal> hrmm...
[07:53] <vandal> mine just freezes sometimes or putty will get some garbled packet or out of memory error
[07:53] <elijahblue> hi all..im new here:)
[07:53] <osiris> vandal, havent tried with the putty client
[07:53] <vandal> ahh
[07:54] <vandal> i have other boxes (redhat ones etc..) that never do it
[07:54] <osiris> sshed from mandriva to kubuntu
[07:54] <vandal> wondering if it's just a config problem or something
[07:54] <osiris> might be a putty issue
[07:54] <vandal> possible as well, but never had the issue on any other box, rh, bsd etc..
[07:54] <vandal> just this kubuntu one :(
[07:55] <Webu> Why qtparted says 9.44gb used in my new 200gb driver?
[07:55] <Webu> Just made it ext3 and formatted it
[07:55] <elijahblue> im a newbie here...i wanted to know....is the kubuntu GUI installer nice & safe?
[07:56] <Webu> elijahblue, i think it really is
[07:56] <Webu> elijahblue, just used it
[07:56] <elijahblue> Webu: ok glad to know dat:) i asked coz im afraid of doing anything to my brother's win partition..
[07:57] <Webu> Worked greatly for me
[07:57] <Webu> Though installed to an empty disk
[07:58] <_ryan> anyone have a clue as to why kaffeine keeps locking up for a while and then coming back while I'm streaming a trailer?  I've tried increasing the videobuffer to 2000.
[07:58] <Webu> But i'm almost sure it can use free space from another pertition
[07:58] <mossman> Hello all.  Has anyone had any problems with cedega and Kubuntu?
[07:59] <osiris> elijahblue, went fairly well for me, other than issues with my sata drive
[08:02] <Webu> Hey, after formatting and activating my new 200gb disk, do i need to mount it or something?
[08:05] <[Nirvana] > Webu: most likely
[08:05] <Webu> Any ideas how?
[08:05] <[Nirvana] > do you know what hd# it is?
[08:06] <elijahblue> i  REALLY wanna know....how fast is kubuntu daper?
[08:06] <Webu> Yes
[08:06] <[Nirvana] > is it empty? or is it partition
[08:06] <Webu> A new empty disk
[08:07] <Webu> I partiotioned it with qtparted
[08:07] <Webu> To one big partition
[08:07] <[Nirvana] > elijahblue: Boot: FAAAST, normal: mildly faster
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> elijahblue: Compared to what ? I think it is quite slow
[08:07] <Webu> Then activated
[08:07] <[Nirvana] > Webu: so it's formatted to ext3?
[08:07] <Webu> Yep
[08:07] <Webu> One weird thing, why does qtparted say there's 9.44gb used in that disc?
[08:07] <[Nirvana] > and you know what hd# it is? You can type cat /proc/partitions to find out
[08:07] <Webu> Even i just formatted it
[08:08] <Webu> Yes, hda, hdb etc, then partitions hdb1 for example
[08:08] <Webu> OOO!
[08:08] <Webu> I booted my computer
[08:08] <[Nirvana] > OK,
[08:08] <Webu> Disk appeared automatically
[08:09] <Webu> To system:/media
[08:09] <elijahblue> is ubuntu faster or kubuntu? ;)
[08:09] <Webu> But its not mounted
[08:09] <[Nirvana] > 10GB is used because when you formatted the disk, 5% of the disk is dedicated to root
[08:09] <[Nirvana] > elijahblue: it shouldn't make a difference
[08:10] <Webu> Okey, got it and found it
[08:10] <Webu> Use qtparted, format, activate
[08:10] <Webu> Reboot, open konqueror, select mount
[08:10] <Webu> Hmm
[08:10] <Webu> Didn't work..
[08:10] <[Nirvana] > Webu: so create a directory in which you'd like to mount it, then pop open /etc/fstab as root user and fill in a new line
[08:10] <Webu> mount: /dev/hdb1 not found in file /etc/fstab
[08:11] <Webu> Yeps
[08:11] <Webu> By the way
[08:11] <Webu> Why does old disk appear 196gb, and new 200gb
[08:11] <Webu> Even they are both 200gb and same model
[08:11] <Webu> Seagates
[08:12] <geneo93> because of format
[08:12] <Webu> Is it because of swap in first disc?
[08:13] <Webu> [Nirvana] , should you always activate the only one partition in a new disk?
[08:17] <Webu> Is it possible to connect Kubuntu to a Win XP computer?
[08:17] <Webu> And make a home network between them
[08:18] <[Nirvana] > Webu: you can activate as many partitions as you want, and for a home network between XP and Kubuntu, you want Samba
[08:18] <Webu> Samba hmm
[08:18] <Webu> Okey i get it
[08:18] <Webu> Just making a linux server
[08:18] <Webu> I'm full of windows
[08:18] <[Nirvana] > howto: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#Samba_Server
[08:18] <Webu> Need to try something better
[08:18] <Webu> Great
[08:18] <Webu> I'm well experienced in windows, but linux is totally different feeling
[08:19] <Webu> So first time, don't know how to use this well ;-D
[08:19] <Webu> [Nirvana] , does samba do the job if i want to get XP computer to internet through my Kubuntu server?
[08:20] <[Nirvana] > Webu: no
[08:20] <Webu> Any ideas what would do it?
[08:20] <[Nirvana] > Webu: to do that, your going to need two eth ports on the Kubuntu box and a crossover cable
[08:21] <Webu> I've got many network cards and they appear in network tools
[08:21] <[Nirvana] > and then a packet/NAT routing program or something, maybe try GuideDog?
[08:21] <[Nirvana] > and as for a crossover cable?
[08:21] <Webu> And of course got cables to connect pc's
[08:22] <Webu> I've used same system a long time with XP machines
[08:22] <[Nirvana] > Webu: then find a packet/NAT routing program or something, maybe try GuideDog?
[08:22] <Webu> Now i'm switching server to Linux and need to get same system to work
[08:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> does anyone know how to turn off the amazon link from the album covers in amarok?
[08:22] <Webu> Okey, i will try it soon
[08:24] <[Nirvana] > I don't know how to do it in Linux (on Windows, it's called ICS I think) but I do know that you should search apt: sudo apt-cache search <keyword> and then to further refine searches, add |grep <refinedkeyword>, so in all it would be sudo apt-cache search forward |grep packet  where forward=keyword and packet=refined keyword
[08:25] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : wth did u just call my mama?
[08:26] <elijahblue> one question: does firefox open faster in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> elijahblue: i think it depends on ur system performance
[08:26] <elijahblue> still in general??
[08:27] <Webu> Ookey
[08:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> it only takes a second to open on my kubuntu machine
[08:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> but i got a fast pc
[08:27] <[Nirvana] > n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: no...I don't think I did
[08:27] <Webu> [Nirvana] , so you can create a directory to mount my another driver anywhere in system?
[08:28] <[Nirvana] > yes
[08:28] <Webu> Linux is little differet
[08:28] <[Nirvana] > in windows, you have My Computer, which houses all the drives, C, D ,E etc
[08:28] <Webu> Yes
[08:28] <[Nirvana] > in Linux, you have / and every drive/folder/directory gets mounted under it
[08:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : yeah i know . i had no clue what u were talking about ... so   ...
[08:29] <Webu> Oh yeah
[08:29] <elijahblue> i see
[08:29] <[Nirvana] > so if I mount my windows drive in linux, I can mount it to wherever I chose, so I mounted to /media/windows, in Windows, when you mount a drive, it gets assigned a letter
[08:29] <[Nirvana] > n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: I was responding to: [14:25]  <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : wth did u just call my mama?
[08:29] <Webu> Damn, konqueror won't allow me to create directory /files
[08:30] <[Nirvana] > also in linux, you may not be able to create a directory just anywhere
[08:30] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : i know , dont worry about it , its a joke
[08:30] <Webu> Should i put the mount directory to some kind of recommended directory?
[08:30] <[Nirvana] > because all the average user owns is anything under their /home/username/ directory
[08:31] <[Nirvana] > but, you can create a directory in the command line (or by using the command kdesu konqueror and using konqy in root mode)
[08:31] <[Nirvana] > in the CLI: mkdir /path/to/dir/you/wanna/make
[08:31] <Webu> Ooh okey, so then i could put files directory to /
[08:32] <Webu> Argh, i could create files-directory*
[08:32] <[Nirvana] > in the konqueror as root user methood: press alt F2 and type --> kdesu konqueror
[08:32] <[Nirvana] > your probably better off using the konqueror methood until you get used to CLI
[08:33] <Webu> Yes.
[08:33] <Webu> I don't feel comfy in CLI after using windows for ages
[08:33] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is there a way to find out who made or maintains a driver???
[08:33] <Webu> I just cant remember all the commands and all feels so oldish
[08:33] <BanskuZ> CLI?
[08:33] <Webu> Command Line Interface i think
[08:33] <lowtech> usually mount points are created in /mnt/
[08:34] <[Nirvana] > n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: yes, in adept look for the maintainer field of the pkg
[08:34] <Webu> So is it recommended to use /mnt/ or /media or something?
[08:34] <Webu> My /mnt/ directory is emptty
[08:34] <Webu> Empty
[08:34] <BanskuZ> Adept 8(
[08:34] <[Nirvana] > it doesn't really matter
[08:34] <Webu> Just thought where my first hard disk is mounted
[08:34] <lowtech> oh, yeah. probably /media/ in kubuntu
[08:34] <Webu> Where Linux is
[08:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : ok , ty
[08:35] <[Nirvana] > Webu: I think in Kubuntu /media is used
[08:35] <eXCeSS> yeah it is
[08:35] <Webu> Ok
[08:35] <lowtech> using /media/ is just a way to standardize
[08:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> [Nirvana] : but how can i find out which pkg my soundcard is using?
[08:35] <Webu> Theres cdrom and cdrom0 in my media
[08:35] <eXCeSS>  . . .   /media/sdb1 is where my hd1 is
[08:35] <Webu> cdrom is a shortcut to somewhere
[08:35] <Webu> I cant see my hard drives here
[08:36] <Webu> Or, my first hard drive is the Linux driver where the / is located
[08:36] <lowtech> if they are listed, /etc/fstab will show where they are mounted
[08:36] <Webu> So maybe that's why it's not in /media/ because its the /
[08:37] <Webu> I think i'll mount my another driver to /media/
[08:37] <[Nirvana] > yeah, the drive mounted as / does not show up in /media
[08:37] <Webu> [Nirvana] , first time i knew something right just by myself :-)
[08:37] <darkrad> when i type "dmesg", from which file the text is shown?
[08:38] <Webu> Where's my FLOPPY driver :-O?
[08:38] <[Nirvana] > but it does show in in media:/ in konqueror
[08:38] <darkrad> !dmesg
[08:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about dmesg
[08:38] <darkrad> when i type "dmesg", from which file the text is shown?
[08:38] <darkrad> is taken i mean
[08:38] <v3ctor> media:/ in konqueror would be for removable media
[08:39] <[Nirvana] > darkrad: I think all the logfiles in /var/log
[08:39] <[Nirvana] > v3ctor: Or as a "My Computer", but yeah, the original intention was removable stuff
[08:40] <v3ctor> darkrad: /var/log/dmesg
[08:41] <Webu> So i created a directory and now i edit mounts
[08:42] <Webu> [Nirvana] , how to mount my floppy?
[08:42] <oputres> Hi! How do I check out if I have ndiswrapper installed and if not, how do I install it?
[08:42] <Webu> It doesn't seem to be here
[08:43] <DarkStone> woot
[08:43] <DarkStone> everything is up and runnig
[08:43] <DarkStone> running*
[08:43] <DarkStone> :)
[08:43] <DarkStone> one last thing
[08:43] <DarkStone> how do install java plugin for firefox
[08:43] <DarkStone> :S
[08:44] <v3ctor> !java
[08:44] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:44] <DarkStone> ty
[08:44] <Webu> What are recommended mounting options for a regular 200gb ide disk?
[08:44] <elijahblue> why does firefox so slower than opera or konqueror?
[08:45] <[Nirvana] > firefox = gtk
[08:45] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: you could use easyubuntu to install it
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> firefox is pretty fast if you just the mozilla.org one
[08:45] <[Nirvana] > yeah
[08:45] <[Nirvana] > because ours had Ubuntu patches and stuff which degrade performance
[08:46] <DarkStone> easyubuntu?
[08:46] <[Nirvana] > !easyubuntu
[08:46] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[08:46] <[Nirvana] > easyubuntu.freecontrib.org
[08:46] <[Nirvana] > or the MANual way: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <mahmoud> hi
[08:46] <[Nirvana] > hello
[08:46] <Webu> Hey people what names do i use mounting floppy disk?
[08:47] <mahmoud> can anyone help me setting up wpa on kubuntu 6.06?
[08:47] <[Nirvana] > floppy?
[08:47] <Webu> Is it like fd0?
[08:47] <[Nirvana] > that's the device name, what do you need this name for?
[08:47] <Webu> To mount it, /dev/fd0
[08:47] <Webu> It's not mounted yet
[08:48] <[Nirvana] > ok
[08:48] <[Nirvana] > so first
[08:48] <Webu> What type is floppy?
[08:48] <Webu> defaults?
[08:48] <[Nirvana] > hmm, lemme check
[08:48] <Webu> And options
[08:48] <Webu> I'm not sure what to put
[08:49] <elijahblue> should i compile firefox from source? :(
[08:49] <mahmoud> no one?
[08:49] <oputres> Please, how do I check if I got ndiswrapper installet and if not, how do I install it? I'm such a newbie at Kubuntu/linux
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> elijahblue: Just get the binaries from mozilla.org and put it in /opt/firefox
[08:49] <eXCeSS> oputres: try to apt get it and see if it says its already installed
[08:50] <elijahblue> i see
[08:50] <mahmoud> no one ever tried to set up wpa?
[08:50] <[Nirvana] > !ndiswrapper
[08:50] <ubotu> Documentation for wireless networking can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs
[08:50] <[Nirvana] > mahmoud: check the wiki
[08:50] <[Nirvana] > !wpa
[08:50] <ubotu> Documentation for wireless networking can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs
[08:51] <mahmoud> but this is for ubuntu
[08:51] <Webu> !floppy
[08:51] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[08:51] <Webu> AAA!
[08:51] <[Nirvana] > lol
[08:51] <oputres> What does "!ndiswrapper" do? Do I just type it in the Terminal?
[08:51] <eXCeSS> guys as a quick question, is there anything to look for in lappys to be sure theyre linux friendly or does linux support everything becuase its awesome like that
[08:51] <Webu> That's the key word
[08:51] <[Nirvana] > oputres: follow the link
[08:51] <word> the key?
[08:51] <word> :P
[08:52] <[Nirvana] > he means keyword word... (redundant...)
[08:52] <word> I know :P
[08:52] <mahmoud> @nirvana, These instructions are targeted toward Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy). For Ubuntu 6.06 (dapper) see [WWW]  http://wiki.debian.org/WPA, section debian etch (testing/unstable).
[08:52] <mahmoud> as far as I understand it is not for kubuntu
[08:52] <_ryan> anyone have tips for getting kaffeine to stream quicktime better?  The application locks up ever 20 or 30 seconds.
[08:52] <[Nirvana] > mahmoud: try anyway? Ubuntu = Kubuntu in the heart anyways
[08:52] <Webu> !harddisk
[08:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about harddisk
[08:52] <eXCeSS> _ryan: try a different program
[08:52] <Webu> !disk
[08:53] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[08:53] <Webu> !mount
[08:53] <[Nirvana] > oputres: read here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[08:53] <Webu> !mount
[08:53] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[08:53] <_ryan> eXCeSS: I'll give it a shot
[08:53] <DarkStone> uhh
[08:53] <mahmoud> its referring me to a debian wiki....?!
[08:53] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-laptop:~/easyubuntu$ ./configure
[08:53] <DarkStone> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[08:53] <DarkStone> :|
[08:53] <Webu> [Nirvana] , if i stick an usb stick to my computer, does kubuntu automatically detect and mount it?
[08:54] <eXCeSS> mahmoud: kubuntu is built on debian
[08:54] <Webu> Or do i have always mount them first or?
[08:54] <eXCeSS> Webu: yes
[08:54] <Webu> How about usb hard disk?
[08:54] <mahmoud> I see, thank you
[08:54] <DarkStone> welp!
[08:54] <eXCeSS> Webu: mine does
[08:54] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-laptop:~/easyubuntu$ ./configure
[08:54] <DarkStone> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[08:54] <eXCeSS> Webu: if not then restart it should
[08:54] <Webu> Ok
[08:54] <martynda> hi, i have100% CPU usage with amarok 1.4 and xine, can anyone help please?
[08:54] <eXCeSS> Webu: or you can edit the fstab to audomatically mount it
[08:54] <eXCeSS> !fstab
[08:54] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[08:54] <Webu> Thanks
[08:54] <[Nirvana] > martynda: what does top say is eating the memory?
[08:54] <DarkStone> someone help me
[08:55] <eXCeSS> Webu: np
[08:55] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-laptop:~/easyubuntu$ ./configure
[08:55] <DarkStone> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[08:55] <[Nirvana] > martynda: and are you up-to-date
[08:55] <eXCeSS> DarkStone: what are you trying to do
[08:55] <Webu> !ftp
  FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[08:55] <eXCeSS> DarkStone: besudes ./configure
[08:55] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: no ./configure
[08:55] <[Nirvana] > instructions are on the download page
[08:55] <martynda> [Nirvana] : yes, i'm up to date, and amarokapp is eating up cycles
[08:55] <oputres> The guide tells me to go to System > Administration > Networking but I don't have a Administration folder. Is there an opposit in Kubuntu? The guide is for Gnome based Ubuntu.
[08:55] <DarkStone> excess
[08:56] <martynda> [Nirvana] : it's not consisten though, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
[08:56] <eXCeSS> DarkStone: yes
[08:56] <DarkStone> im trying to compile a source
[08:56] <eXCeSS> DarkStone: check the instructions as nirvana said
[08:56] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: For Easyubuntu?
[08:56] <DarkStone> yes
[08:56] <[Nirvana] > which v. did you download?
[08:57] <DarkStone> 3.0
[08:57] <Webu> !usb
[08:57] <[Nirvana] > 3.01 (already compiled) nighly snapshot, or bleeding edge?
[08:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about usb
[08:57] <Webu> !usb disk
[08:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about usb disk
[08:57] <DarkStone> 3.0 only
[08:57] <Webu> Okey, now i need software to my brand new Kubuntu server
[08:57] <[Nirvana] > !wherearethecommandsfound
[08:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about wherearethecommandsfound
[08:57] <DarkStone> i got it from the link in the irc channel
[08:57] <Webu> Apache..
[08:57] <Webu> Is ftpd best ftp server?
[08:58] <[Nirvana] > maybe, I usually see proftpd used
[08:58] <martynda> vstf i used a bit too i think
[08:58] <[Nirvana] > for a guide on settings up stuff, poke around doc.gwos.org and ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <martynda> vsftp*
[08:59] <kerian> I've used proftpd and pure-ftpd... both are fine.... been meaning to try vsftp the next time I setup ftp (which may be awhile)
[08:59] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: if you wanna compile easyubuntu
[08:59] <DarkStone> ?
[08:59] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: then download the nightly snapshot instead of the compiled package
[08:59] <DarkStone> from where?
[08:59] <[Nirvana] > download pg
[08:59] <DarkStone> pg?
[09:00] <[Nirvana] > http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html --> bottom of this page
[09:00] <Webu> Ookey, only problem is there any video stream servers avaible in linux
[09:00] <[Nirvana] > pg = posgresql... :( I meant page
[09:00] <DarkStone> ok
[09:00] <Webu> Need to stream webcam video to internet
[09:01] <[Nirvana] > type in command:  sudo apt-cache search video |grep stream
[09:01] <[Nirvana] > and read the pkg descriptions
[09:01] <[Nirvana] > for further pakage descriptions
[09:01] <Webu> Lets try
[09:01] <v3ctor> vls
[09:01] <Webu> Dang
[09:01] <DarkStone> nirvana
[09:01] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-laptop:~/easyubuntu$ cd EasyUbuntu_2006-XX-XX
[09:01] <DarkStone> bash: cd: EasyUbuntu_2006-XX-XX: No such file or directory
[09:01] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-laptop:~/easyubuntu$ sudo python easyubuntu.in
[09:01] <DarkStone> python: can't open file 'easyubuntu.in': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[09:01] <DarkStone> error! :(
[09:01] <Webu> I'm at konqueror and cant found my new disk here
[09:02] <[Nirvana] > for further package descriptions, search here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/   ... but apt-cache search should be alright
[09:02] <Webu> It shows if i use "Storage media"
[09:02] <DarkStone> :S
[09:02] <Webu> But in konqueror i cant see it straight
[09:02] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: replace X's with the version number, or for a quicker way, replace X's with *
[09:02] <Webu> If i use "Storage media" i cant get root rights
[09:02] <[Nirvana] > so try --> cd EasyUbuntu_2006-*-*
[09:03] <v3ctor> apt:/ in konq is pretty good for searching for packages also
[09:03] <[Nirvana] > Webu: Did you set the right permissions in /etc/fstab?
[09:03] <Webu> "only root can mount"
[09:03] <DarkStone>   File "easyubuntu.in", line 33, in ?
[09:03] <DarkStone>     replace(confdir)
[09:03] <DarkStone>   File "/home/sohaib/easyubuntu/EasyUbuntu_2006-06-22/EasyUbuntu/detect.py", line 155, in replace
[09:03] <DarkStone>     os.popen("chown -R "+os.getlogin()+":"+os.getlogin()+" "+confdir)
[09:03] <DarkStone> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[09:03] <Webu> Yes, but i cant mount this
[09:03] <martynda> is there a list of commands such ast smb:/ apt:/ etc in konq?
[09:03] <|lostbyte|> Hi ! guys..
[09:03] <Webu> I'm not root
[09:03] <Ashex> How do I extract a RAR file that is password protected?
[09:03] <Webu> If i use konqueror with roots, cant find the disk
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> Ashex, unrar x file.rar and type in the password when it askes.
[09:04] <[Nirvana] > Ashex: do you have unrar-nonfree installed?
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> BRB
[09:04] <Webu> I found solution
[09:05] <[Nirvana] > Ashex: Of course I mean unrar, or unrar-free :P I don't make mistakes ....
[09:05] <eXCeSS> !osd
[09:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about osd
[09:05] <Ashex> Heh
[09:05] <Ashex> okay, I was using Ark I think
[09:05] <Webu> Omg omg it works
[09:06] <chiaretta> hey anyone have the speedtouch package?? I can't found it on my repository
[09:06] <Webu> [Nirvana] , is it normal i cannot write to the new disk i mounted without root permission?
[09:06] <v3ctor> martynda: don't k now of any list..but i love audiocd:/
[09:06] <Webu> Or do i need to configure something?
[09:07] <[Nirvana] > Webu: to be able to write to it, you must do some magic in /etc/fstab to give yourself permissions
[09:07] <martynda> would be REALLY nice to get a list, seems i keep discovering new ones all the time
[09:07] <v3ctor> same here
[09:08] <martynda> i use smb:/ and ftp:/ all the time
[09:08] <Webu> [Nirvana] , so its normal you need roots to write anywhere expect your home
[09:08] <[Nirvana] > yes
[09:08] <eXCeSS> Webu: run kate with sudo and edit it
[09:08] <v3ctor> i used sftp:/ and audiocd:/ all the time
[09:08] <Webu> Ok
[09:08] <[Nirvana] > root owns your computer, but you also own your house
[09:08] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is there a app that has an option to play ogg/mp3/wav/flac backwards?
[09:08] <[Nirvana] > computer was supposed to be country ^^
[09:08] <[Nirvana] > so think of root as the gov't :P
[09:09] <Webu> Yeps.
[09:10] <Webu> Just thought if i put my apache public_html to my hdb, i always need roots to edit files or anything
[09:10] <Webu> That sounds pretty dumb
[09:10] <eXCeSS> no you can edit the folder to let everyone edit it
[09:10] <eXCeSS> like all my hard drives i have so i can make folders etc
[09:11] <eXCeSS> you set the permissions once and youre good
[09:11] <[Nirvana] > Webu: It is secure though
[09:11] <Webu> Ok, is it smart to put public_html to hdb and use ftp to access there as well
[09:11] <Webu> Is it possible to make ssh access there as well?
[09:11] <Webu> Or shh is only for home directorys?
[09:13] <[Nirvana] > for server stuff, read: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu and http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/ServerGuide
[09:13] <Webu> Okey, how to get root rights in console
[09:13] <Webu> Something like sudo -?
[09:13] <[Nirvana] > sudo su
[09:13] <Webu> Ok thanks
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> sudo -i
[09:13] <xDigitalStealthx> by any chance, does anyone know how to change the screen resolution in compiz?
[09:14] <DarkStone> how do i check kernel version?
[09:14] <[Nirvana] > and exit to go back to normal user
[09:14] <[Nirvana] > uname -a
[09:15] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: uname -a and it should show Linux computer-name 2.6.15-25-686 where the 2.6.15 is the kernel name
[09:15] <DarkStone> ok
[09:15] <[Nirvana] > or for only the kernel name
[09:15] <[Nirvana] > uname -r
[09:15] <DarkStone> and if i wanted to update
[09:15] <DarkStone> how would i do that
[09:15] <mikearthur> why would you want to?
[09:16] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: sudo apt-get update && sudp apt-get upgrade  ??
[09:16] <DarkStone> um
[09:16] <DarkStone> i think so
[09:16] <[Nirvana] > sudp = sudo ^^
[09:16] <mikearthur> you think what?
[09:16] <DarkStone> is there not a new kernel coming soon?
[09:16] <[Nirvana] > well
[09:16] <DarkStone> one with wifi improvement or something?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> [Nirvana] : dist-upgrade for new kernel for your versionm
[09:16] <gnomefreak> -m
[09:16] <mikearthur> what card do you have
[09:16] <gnomefreak> DarkStone: not for dapper
[09:16] <DarkStone> ok
[09:17] <[Nirvana] > *-23 was updated to *-25 because of a security report
[09:17] <gnomefreak> DarkStone: 2.6.15-25 was just released for dapper
[09:17] <DarkStone> ok
[09:17] <DarkStone> i have 2.6.15-23
[09:17] <DarkStone> :|
[09:17] <[Nirvana] > sudo you gotta update!
[09:17] <[Nirvana] > make sure dapper-security is activated!
[09:17] <DarkStone> erm
[09:17] <DarkStone> ok
[09:18] <DarkStone> is it critical?
[09:18] <sorush20> hi guys I have lost the copy to and move to buttons all of a sudden what can I do?
[09:18] <DarkStone> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   ?
[09:18] <[Nirvana] > lemme show you the report (it prolly isn't.. I didn't update yet and I'm still breathing)
[09:18] <DarkStone> lol
[09:18] <DarkStone> is it sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to update?
[09:18] <[Nirvana] > report: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2006-June/000342.html
[09:19] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: yes
[09:19] <DarkStone> O.O
[09:19] <DarkStone> ok
[09:19] <DarkStone> il update then
[09:19] <DarkStone> ^_^
[09:19] <[Nirvana] > DarkStone: and if you get an error that packages are kept back, you have to -->  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <DarkStone> ok
[09:20] <DarkStone> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[09:20] <DarkStone> with both commands
[09:21] <DarkStone> apt-get update and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:21] <[Nirvana] > try sudo apt-get update again ?
[09:21] <DarkStone> same
[09:22] <[Nirvana] > you haven't modified your sources.list have you?
[09:22] <Tommy2k4> grr kopete wont sign into msn (server unavailable) and gaim doesnt open when i click the icon o_o
[09:22] <eXCeSS> tom
[09:22] <eXCeSS> reboot
[09:22] <DarkStone> nirvana
[09:22] <DarkStone> no
[09:22] <Tommy2k4> kk
[09:22] <DarkStone> i havent
[09:22] <DarkStone> :|
[09:22] <[Nirvana] > Tommy2k4: in a konsole  --> sudo killall gaim - then --> gaim
[09:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !xine
[09:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about xine
[09:23] <SurfnKid> anyone know how to use mc
[09:23] <SurfnKid> have 2 linux boxes
[09:23] <DarkStone> my sources list is empty
[09:23] <word> hm...what's a command to see if /dev/sda exists?
[09:23] <[Nirvana] > Tommy2k4: Or get amsn.. it has voice/cam support and gaim/kopete don't
[09:23] <eXCeSS> !mount
[09:23] <SurfnKid> need to know how to connect to the other box to pull up the root dir
[09:23] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[09:23] <DarkStone> is it in /etc/sources.list?
[09:23] <eXCeSS> fdisk -ls
[09:23] <DarkStone> or am i looking in the wrong place?
[09:23] <macd>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:23] <eXCeSS> word: fdisk -ls
[09:24] <mikearthur> [Nirvana] : kopete has both those features
[09:24] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : does the dapper amsn work for you?
[09:24] <DarkStone> yeh my sources list has some sources in it
[09:24] <[Nirvana] > mikearthur: it does now?
[09:24] <DarkStone> !paste
[09:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:24] <[Nirvana] > iNiku: yes
[09:24] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : it segfaults here
[09:24] <word> eXCeSS: No like a way that if it doesn't exist the command will fail
[09:24] <[Nirvana] > remove --purge and reinstall? happened to me once
[09:25] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> which engine should be used with amarok?
[09:25] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : yeah, just trying that now
[09:25] <DarkStone> [Nirvana]  this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16208
[09:25] <iNiku> would be weird, though...
[09:25] <mikearthur> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: shouldn't matter hugely, I prefer xine
[09:25] <[Nirvana] > or install cvs amsn, when you download, do ./configure, then make, then make deb and install the deb it makes
[09:25] <mikearthur> Tommy2k4: The MSN network is down
[09:25] <Tommy2k4> ty
[09:25] <[Nirvana] > n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: xine or gstreamer
[09:25] <oputres> Aparently I need ndiswrapper-utils. How do I get this? Should I write apt-get ndiswrapper-utils in the Terminal? Does apt-get even work in Kubuntu? It doesn't seems like that.
[09:25] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : is the cvs version reasonably stable?
[09:26] <mikearthur> why not use Kopete, it supports everything, and doesn't look SO ugly!
[09:26] <[Nirvana] > oputres: apt-get does work
[09:26] <iNiku> mikearthur: kopete is soo uncomfortable
[09:26] <[Nirvana] > oputres: sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
[09:26] <[Nirvana] > oputres: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:26] <mikearthur> iNiku: "uncomfortable" how?
[09:26] <iNiku> mikearthur: it doesn't have any usable message notification mechanisms, for one thing
[09:26] <iNiku> I tried it for a couple of days and it drove me crazy
[09:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> mikearthur: what does the engine do ?
[09:26] <mikearthur> how do you mean?
[09:27] <mikearthur> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: plays the music
[09:27] <[Nirvana] > amsn + tcl/tk 8.5 w/AA = heaven
[09:27] <iNiku> mikearthur: or actually, I'm not sure now if that was what I disliked about it the most... but there was something I didn't like at all
[09:27] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : AA?
[09:27] <Tommy2k4> kopete crashes when i accept someones webcam
[09:27] <mikearthur> its pretty customisable
[09:27] <Tommy2k4> it also crashes when amarok crashes
[09:27] <mikearthur> Tommy2k4: works for me
[09:27] <[Nirvana] > Antialiasing so it's not ugly
[09:28] <iNiku> ahh
[09:28] <DarkStone> [Nirvana]  this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16208
[09:28] <mikearthur> font rendering is still horrendous, and the theming
[09:28] <Tommy2k4> i use kopete cos gaim is ugly
[09:28] <DarkStone> is there anything missing?
[09:28] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : nope, amsn still crashes after reinstalling
[09:28] <[Nirvana] > now if only sf.net's cvs was up so I can get AA working again
[09:28] <Tommy2k4> and gaim kept flashing the window when there was no new msgs
[09:28] <mikearthur> different strokes for different folks :)
[09:28] <iNiku> gaim 2 is pretty nice
[09:28] <mikearthur> its still GTK
[09:28] <iNiku> I could not use 1.x though
[09:28] <[Nirvana] > iNiku:  install nightly snapshot amsn, when you download, do ./configure, then make, then make deb and install the deb it makes
[09:28] <iNiku> hated it
[09:28] <oputres> Aah, the sudo part. Still I get an error saying Incorrect operation ndiswrapper (and ndiswrapper-utils). I can't find the ndiswrapper in Add/remove program either :(
[09:29] <Tommy2k4> ooo almost a goal to argentina
[09:29] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : yeah, if I get around to it... gaim2 is serving me reasonably well atm
[09:29] <[Nirvana] > oputres:I bet ndis is in universe and you don't have it enabled
[09:29] <iNiku> [Nirvana] : I used to run amsn before and I liked it, though
[09:30] <iNiku> amsn is also the only IM thingy on linux that even somewhat implements the new MSN file transfer protocol
[09:30] <iNiku> (meaning reasonable transfer rates)
[09:30] <[Nirvana] > oputres: do you have universe enabled?
[09:30] <iNiku> gaim and kopete only support the old protocol that goes via MSN servers and is dead slow
[09:31] <oputres> What do you meen by that? How do I enable universe? Sorry, I'm such a newbie at this
[09:31] <Webu> Dang
[09:31] <Webu> I dont even know wheres my apache2 public_html
[09:32] <Webu> Apache conf is so different
[09:32] <[Nirvana] > oputres: --> cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it at kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:32] <[Nirvana] > oputres: cat /etc/apt/sources.list is a command you type at the konsole btw
[09:33] <[Nirvana] > oh shit... 3:32... brb in 2 I gotta eat breakfast
[09:33] <[Nirvana] > that is... shoot ^^
[09:34] <iNiku> is that 3:30 AM or PM?
[09:34] <iNiku> as in... early or late breakfast?
[09:34] <[Nirvana] > late
[09:34] <[Nirvana] > see.. Kubuntu makes me starve
[09:34] <[Nirvana] > I'm switching to Windows!
[09:34] <iNiku> yeah. you should sue canonical
[09:34] <[Nirvana] > oh wait.. Windows sucks!
[09:35] <[Nirvana] > time for a Mac!
[09:35] <iNiku> you can run ubuntu on a mac...
[09:35] <Ashex> !tell me about pastebin
[09:36] <[Nirvana] > time for a SPARC
[09:36] <[Nirvana] > Ashex: kubuntu.pastebin.com is so people don't paste in the channel
[09:37] <[Nirvana] > popcorns done..
[09:37] <Ashex> [Nirvana] : I know
[09:37] <iNiku> popcorn for breakfast? ugh.
[09:37] <Ashex> I was checking what ubotu said
[09:37] <iNiku> in fact... popcorn? ugh.
[09:38] <[Nirvana] > popcorn till the toast is done
[09:39] <Webu> Omg wheres my apache public html
[09:39] <Webu> No idea where is it
[09:40] <[Nirvana] > ..--> /var/www?
[09:40] <Webu> Hmm looks like it
[09:40] <Webu> Could see it from apache2.conf
[09:40] <Webu> Couldn't
[09:42] <oputres> Well, saving in pastebin.com seems to be down for the moment. Anyway, there were only a lot of commented lines (#)
[09:42] <iNiku> probably somewhere in /etc/apache/conf.d/*?
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> Webu: Have you enabled userdir
[09:43] <iNiku> haven't actually looked at apache on ubuntu but that seems to be how most distros do it now
[09:43] <[Nirvana] > oputres..
[09:43] <[Nirvana] > !paste
[09:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:43] <Webu> What's userdi
[09:43] <[Nirvana] > go there vv
[09:43] <iNiku> Webu: I mean, you should be able to find it in one of the files under /etc/apache/conf.d
[09:43] <iNiku> or /etc/httpd/conf.d
[09:43] <Webu> I check it
[09:43] <Webu> There's just "charset"-file in conf.d
[09:45] <oputres> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16210 Cool function btw...
[09:45] <Webu> Time to go bed now, good night to all!
[09:45] <Webu> --->
[09:46] <|lostbyte|> Webu, Goodnight :)
[09:47] <andrisp> hello all.. is it possible kde taskbar not to show, for example, '#kubuntu - Konversation', but just 'Konversation' ?
[09:47] <[Nirvana] > oputres: Where are you from?
[09:47] <oputres> Sweden
[09:47] <[Nirvana] > I think it's down
[09:47] <[Nirvana] > i tried pinging
[09:48] <oputres> Aah, the server from were apt-get gets the necessery files?
[09:48] <[Nirvana] > what's a country code for a country neer sweden?
[09:48] <[Nirvana] > italy!
[09:48] <[Nirvana] > or no, that's switzerland
[09:48] <oputres> Finland, Norway or Denmark
[09:48] <[Nirvana] > country code?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> 276 is germany
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > 2 letter country code
[09:49] <oputres> Try Germany then, it's just south of us
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > like ca =  canada, se = sweded
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > sweden^
[09:49] <oputres> Then it's probably Fi, no and dk
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > germany = de?
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > or yeah, it is
[09:49] <[Nirvana] > !source-o-matic
[09:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:50] <[Nirvana] > go there and make a sources.list
[09:50] <oputres> By flight or train? :) How do i get there?
[09:50] <[Nirvana] > http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:51] <[Nirvana] > I meant the URL from !source-o-matic
[09:51] <[Nirvana] > and checkmark everything and anything you think you might need
[09:52] <oputres> Cool, the source list is a list of every availible programs for (k)ubuntu?
[09:52] <[Nirvana] > then when the sources.list generates, press alt + F2 and type in --> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list <-- and remove everything in that file, and paste in the new one
[09:52] <[Nirvana] > yes sources.list tells apt-get what pkgs it can download
[09:53] <[Nirvana] > make sure you use de for a country code, I know Germany has some good Ubuntu servers, and it seems swedens are down
[09:55] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> anyone know how to fix the fetch lyrics script not loading in the 1.4 amarok?
[09:57] <oputres> If I wait for the swedish servers to come online again, will I then be able to just write apt-get "wanted packages" in the terminal and smile when it's downloaded? I need some evening food now.
[09:58] <Ashex> we need a pastebin bot
[09:59] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> we need better linux apps
[10:01] <DarkStone> erm
[10:01] <DarkStone> how do i install 7zip
[10:01] <DarkStone> is there a 7zip?
[10:01] <DarkStone> for kubunut
[10:01] <DarkStone> kubuntu
[10:02] <Ashex> use bzip
[10:02] <Ashex> or Ark
[10:02] <DarkStone> ark doesnt work
[10:02] <oputres> When typing sudo -s in the Terminal, am I then getting a more permanent admin mode in contrary to the single sudo line (like sudo apt-get whatever)?
[10:02] <Ashex> what are you trying to extract?
[10:02] <DarkStone> it is a 7zip file with a rom file in it
[10:04] <DrBair> is universe down?
[10:06] <Chris_Tucker> DrBair, which ones? us? ca? eu?...
[10:06] <DrBair> us
[10:06] <Chris_Tucker> DrBair, checking
[10:06] <Ashex> I think it is, I'm having trouble installing crap
[10:06] <DarkStone>  p7zip-full depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however:
[10:06] <DarkStone>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.
[10:07] <DarkStone>  p7zip-full depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0); however:
[10:07] <DarkStone>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
[10:07] <DarkStone>  p7zip-full depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0); however:
[10:07] <DarkStone>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
[10:07] <DarkStone> dpkg: error processing p7zip-full (--install):
[10:07] <DarkStone> how do i update?
[10:07] <Ashex> Darkstone
[10:07] <Ashex> use Pastebin
[10:07] <Chris_Tucker> DrBair, working here
[10:07] <DarkStone> sorry
[10:07] <DarkStone> :(
[10:07] <DarkStone> !pastebin
[10:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:07] <NoUse> DarkStone have you added any 3rd party repos to sources.list?
[10:07] <DarkStone> erm
[10:07] <DarkStone> not that i know of
[10:08] <NoUse> DarkStone have you used automatix?
[10:08] <jvz> how do you mount an iso without using root?  /dev/loopN are all chown'd as root:disk, my mount point is done similarly, and I'm part of the disk group, yet mount still requires root
[10:08] <DarkStone> no
[10:08] <DarkStone> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16211
[10:08] <Chris_Tucker> NoUse, doubt that would cause it
[10:08] <DarkStone> thats my problem
[10:08] <Ashex> Yeah, I'm getting this error from apt: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16212
[10:08] <Ashex> Can't install a package due to a 403 error
[10:08] <DarkStone> i get the same error ashex
[10:08] <DarkStone> :|
[10:08] <DarkStone> forbidden
[10:08] <DrBair> Ashex: same here
[10:09] <Chris_Tucker> DarkStone, try apt-get install -f ... make sure it doesnt try to remove anything vital though
[10:09] <NoUse> !info 7zip-full
[10:09] <ubotu> Package 7zip-full does not exist in dapper
[10:09] <Ashex> bleh, took me forever to pastebin that. pastebin.com isn't being responsive
[10:09] <Chris_Tucker> theres your problem :P
[10:09] <Chris_Tucker> remove 7zip-full
[10:10] <DarkStone> thats what im trying to install
[10:10] <DarkStone> :|
[10:10] <NoUse> DarkStone how are you trying to install it?
[10:10] <DarkStone> sudo dpkg -i p7zip.deb
[10:11] <NoUse> DarkStone sudo apt-get install p7zip
[10:11] <NoUse> DarkStone that deb was probably build for debian
[10:12] <DarkStone> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/p7zip/p7zip_4.30.dfsg-1_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:12] <DarkStone> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[10:12] <DarkStone> sohaib@sohaib-lapto
[10:12] <DarkStone> someone give me a super sources.list?
[10:12] <DarkStone> lol
[10:12] <DarkStone> :|
[10:13] <NoUse> !tell DarkStone about repos
[10:13] <RogueJediZero> DarkStone: Did you try running apt-get update like it said?
[10:13] <DarkStone> yes
[10:13] <NoUse> RogueJediZero that server he's pointing to seems to be down
[10:13] <DarkStone> i get forbidden access error
[10:13] <NoUse> DarkStone you should have gotten a link from ubotu
[10:14] <DarkStone> ok
[10:14] <RogueJediZero> NoUse: Oh. I guess a "whoops" is in order, then
[10:15] <[Nirvana] > edubuntu meeting is on btw: #ubuntu-meeting
[10:15] <[Nirvana] > it might have ended..
[10:16] <[Nirvana] > nope, maybe not
[10:16] <eosyn> I'm getting 403 errors from the mirrors
[10:17] <eosyn> well from the repos
[10:17] <RogueJediZero> Oh, yeah. Speaking of p7zip, is there a nice GUI for it anywhere? Ark is cute, but I can't find the compression options for 7z files
[10:17] <eosyn> :(
[10:18] <CPU_Wizard> hello everybody!
[10:18] <CPU_Wizard> how can i change the kde language?
[10:18] <[Nirvana] > jello
[10:19] <[Nirvana] > CPU_Wizard: open system settings from the K menu
[10:19] <[Nirvana] > and click Regional & accessablility
[10:19] <CPU_Wizard> i did that, i chose my country (At the region settings)
[10:19] <CPU_Wizard> but nothing happened
[10:19] <[Nirvana] > do you have i18n and i10n pkgs?
[10:19] <CPU_Wizard> i don't think so. I just installed kubuntu from live cd
[10:20] <CPU_Wizard> how kai i download these packages?
[10:20] <CPU_Wizard> how can i download these packages?
[10:20] <[Nirvana] > what's your 2 letter country code (where are you from)
[10:20] <CPU_Wizard> Greece so gr i suppose
[10:20] <[Nirvana] > actually.. el = greece
[10:20] <CPU_Wizard> ok
[10:20] <CPU_Wizard> how can i download this package?
[10:21] <[Nirvana] > sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-el
[10:21] <CPU_Wizard> let me try it
[10:21] <Ashex> what's the command to make something executable with chmod?
[10:21] <DrBair> Ashex: chmod +x filename
[10:21] <NoUse> RogueJediZero ark supports 7zip for me
[10:22] <Ashex> awesome, thanks DrBair
[10:22] <CPU_Wizard> [Nirvana] , it's working! After that, what should i do?
[10:22] <[Nirvana] > CPU_Wizard: smile?
[10:22] <gregory_is_ok> I'm having trouble installing anything lately
[10:22] <CPU_Wizard> lol :-)
[10:23] <CPU_Wizard> thank you nirvana! you were very helpfull!
[10:23] <[Nirvana] > is it translated? You may have to ctrl + alt + backspace to restart X after
[10:23] <NoUse> gregory_is_ok what kind of trouble?
[10:23] <[Nirvana] > gregory_is_ok: you from sweden?
[10:23] <CPU_Wizard> so, i log out and in again and it's ok?
[10:23] <douglas_> I recently put together a new system this thing refuses to boot an os, and eventually I found out through memtest and page faults that there is something wrong with either the ram or memory controller...
[10:24] <gregory_is_ok> when I try to install something, it has an error while it is downloading....
[10:24] <bobstro> wow, is something up with some of the repositories?
[10:24] <NoUse> gregory_is_ok pastebin the errors
[10:24] <NoUse> !pastebin
[10:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:24] <geneo93> could be bad processor
[10:24] <douglas_> If I get errors on both sticks in one ram slot, ok so the ram is bad both sticks somehow? Then I plug it into the next slot and I get different errors but once again I get errors
[10:24] <[Nirvana] > CPU_Wizard: ctrl + alt + backspace, then log in again
[10:24] <bobstro> everything was fine earlier. now nothing will install, and i get some freaky messges (Get:84 2006-06-15-1346.19.pdiff [61.0kB] ) with apt-get update
[10:25] <CPU_Wizard> ok, thank you! i'll let you know :-)
[10:25] <c0lL> what is a multicast stream?
[10:25] <gregory_is_ok> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe vlc 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:25] <douglas_> Does this indicate a memory error or controller error.
[10:25] <douglas_> ?
[10:25] <RogueJediZero> NoUse: I know, but I miss the options 7-zip for windows gives me like compression algorythm, dictionary size, etc.
[10:25] <bobstro> gregory_is_ok:  i'm having problems now too. was yours ok earlier?
[10:25] <gregory_is_ok> yeah....
[10:26] <[Nirvana] > CPU_Wizard: if you need more translated stuff (like openoffice.org or something), then type--> sudo apt-cache search <program-name> |grep el <--and it should bring up greek translations if there are any
[10:27] <NoUse> gregory_is_ok bobstro that server is down it seems,
[10:27] <gregory_is_ok> ok
[10:27] <[Nirvana] > or sudo apt-cache search <progname> |grep Greek
[10:27] <bobstro> hah, figures. ok will try again later.
[10:27] <NoUse> gregory_is_ok bobstro /msg ubotu repos for a list of sources that should work
[10:27] <gregory_is_ok> are there mirrors or something?
[10:27] <gregory_is_ok> oh
[10:27] <gregory_is_ok> ok
[10:27] <[Nirvana] > yes
[10:27] <eosyn> gregory_is_ok: yep same error
[10:28] <bobstro> the internet is broken :)
[10:28] <CPU_Wizard> It Worksssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!
[10:28] <CPU_Wizard> Thank you very much [Nirvana] !!!!!!!!!
[10:28] <[Nirvana] > to change your mirror, --> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list <-- and change the 2 letter country code to us or ca or de or something
[10:30] <[Nirvana] > CPU_Wizard: actually, the correct file for greek language support is: language-support-el, my bad. so you should--> sudo apt-get install language-support-el
[10:30] <[Nirvana] > he'll be back... they always come back
[10:31] <Ashex> or break down crying screaming out to the linux gods
[10:31] <[Nirvana] > and they'll smite me for telling him the wrong pkg
[10:31] <Ashex> or laugh and say "Stupid n00b"
[10:32] <Ashex> :p
[10:35] <[Nirvana] > must. find. better. ISP
[10:36] <ChristmasCpp> hi all
[10:38] <scast> What's the problem with KControl?
[10:41] <bobstro> scast:  as in?
[10:42] <scast> As in not using it in the default dapper menu.
[10:44] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Dood!
[10:44] <[Nirvana] > scast: because Kubuntu devs made system settings for us to use
[10:49] <Chris_Tucker> how do you list all user groups on a system via CLI?
[10:50] <trappist> Chris_Tucker: getent group | cut -d: -f1
[10:51] <bobstro> scast: still there though
[10:51] <scast> How can I get the default KDE (read: Not Kubuntu's) K Menu content?
[10:51] <scast> bobstro: yes, I know.
[10:52] <trappist> scast: the content is populated by installed packages
[10:53] <jfro> is there a way to get the developer headers etc. for KDE installed? everything i try says it'll BREAK
[10:54] <trappist> jfro: what have you tried?  for most packages, there's a packagename-dev package with the headers for the packages
[10:54] <Chris_Tucker> trappist, i believe he means kcontrol and such
[10:54] <iNiku> isn't there a kde-dev metapackage?
[10:54] <jfro> yeah, wen i try that, i don't hit commit
[10:54] <jfro> cuz
[10:54] <jfro> it claims it'll break things
[10:55] <jfro> instead of install, it says BREAK install in red
[10:55] <trappist> iNiku: no - maybe there should be
[10:55] <jfro> and if i check details, it'll mention it'll replace various packages
[10:55] <iNiku> sorry, kde-devel
[10:55] <iNiku> there is
[10:55] <iNiku> it's a metapackage that includes most of the stuff needed for developing and compiling KDE stuff
[10:55] <trappist> oh... there is a -devel :)
[10:55] <iNiku> or depends on, to be exact...
[10:56] <iNiku> jfro: such as?
[10:56] <jfro> and why i can't install is due to
[10:56] <jfro> kdesdk depended on but won't be installed
[10:56] <jfro> and some others
[10:56] <iNiku> jfro: apt-get install kde-devel
[10:56] <iNiku> what does it say?
[10:57] <jfro> unmet dependencies
[10:57] <jfro> kdesdk, libartsc0-dev,libarts1-dev,kdelibs4-dev,kdebase-dev,libkonq4-dev
[10:57] <jfro> depended on but not going to be installed
[10:57] <iNiku> when you try to do what?
[10:57] <jfro> install kde-devel
[10:58] <trappist> maybe you need to say apt-get -f install
[10:58] <iNiku> yeah, could do an apt-get -f install first
[10:58] <iNiku> in case your system already has broken dependencies
[10:59] <jfro> ok
[10:59] <iNiku> oh
[10:59] <iNiku> I guess you don't have universe and multiverse enabled?
[10:59] <jfro> i have universe
[11:00] <jfro> apt-get -f install
[11:00] <jfro> did nothing
[11:00] <iNiku> okay, that's good
[11:00] <jfro> k
[11:02] <jfro> some of them is do to libglib2.0
[11:04] <Prakti> lo everyone
[11:04] <iNiku> I think you may need multiverse for the kde-devel stuff
[11:04] <Prakti> to which partition does kubuntu suspend on hibernate by default?
[11:04] <jfro> heh this doesn't make sense, libglib2.0-dev needs libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.2-1ubuntu3) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:04] <jfro> but the 2.10.3 one isn't available to be installed
[11:04] <jfro> o.O
[11:05] <crimsun> jfro: do you have -updates properly enabled?
[11:05] <iNiku> Prakti: your swap partition
[11:05] <jfro> -updates?
[11:05] <jfro> dapper-updates ?
[11:06] <Prakti> iNiku: allright
[11:06] <iNiku> jfro: there's definitely something wrong with your sources.list
[11:06] <jfro> dapper-updates was off
[11:06] <iNiku> maybe what crimsun suggested
[11:06] <jfro> just enabled it
[11:07] <jfro> well
[11:07] <Prakti> iNiku: I was quite unsure since there is no resume=/dev/hdaX boot-option in the default menu.lst of Grub
[11:07] <iNiku> did you apt-get update after enabling it?
[11:07] <jfro> yeah
[11:07] <iNiku> Prakti: I'm speaking of something I know very little about here, but I think it's on the initrd somewhere
[11:07] <jfro> but us is hosed for me today
[11:07] <jfro> 403's up the wazoo
[11:08] <jfro> just switched to another one
[11:08] <iNiku> Prakti: which is why it's not in the grub menu.lost
[11:08] <iNiku> menu.lst even
[11:09] <Prakti> iNiku: this is weird. Seems like I might to have to dig a little deeper into that issue.
[11:09] <iNiku> Prakti: are you having problems with hibernation?
[11:09] <Prakti> iNiku: lots.
[11:10] <iNiku> like what?
[11:10] <Prakti> Mostly the graphical frontends like Klaptop or KPowersave seem a little underintegrated, regarding what you just said.
[11:10] <iNiku> um, how do you mean?
[11:10] <Prakti> Klaptop refuses to hibernate properly and wakes up.
[11:11] <jfro> kde-devel still complains about kdesdk, trying kdesdk by itself
[11:11] <Prakti> KPowersave suspends properly (sometimes) but only when I configure the resume-partition manually
[11:11] <Prakti> On some occassions the hibernation fails with an "out of free memory"
[11:12] <Prakti> And usb ist always fscked up on resume.
[11:12] <jfro> think i'm on track, thanks guys
[11:12] <Prakti> Thats really weird.
[11:12] <iNiku> um. well I'm not an expert on hibernation, it Just Works for me... although I don't really use it, I prefer suspend/resume instead, so much quicker.
[11:13] <iNiku> is your swap partition at least the same size as your physical memory
[11:13] <iNiku> ?
[11:13] <Prakti> Sure. Its twice
[11:13] <SurfnKid> mine's 1.5 its size
[11:15] <iNiku> Prakti: you could try running the ACPI scripts directly to rule out any weirdness from the K things
[11:16] <iNiku>  /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh should do it
[11:16] <oputres> Before I go to bed, can someone explain to me what Universe is? Somebody wrote Is universe down earlier...
[11:16] <crimsun> !components
[11:16] <ubotu> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:16] <crimsun> ^^ oputres
[11:17] <Prakti> iNiku: I will try that. Didn't know the script was meant to be run standalone.
[11:17] <Prakti> thanks for the help
[11:17] <Prakti> brb.
[11:18] <iNiku> I guess it's not, really
[11:18] <iNiku> oh well
[11:19] <oputres> Aah, so it's a place (server) were all the free programs, appz, packages etc for Linux is at?
[11:19] <oputres> Is it from the universe apt-get gets the files?
[11:20] <trappist> apt-get gets its files from repositories, one of which is called universe
[11:20] <[Nirvana] > oputres: universe is one place
[11:20] <[Nirvana] > ouch.. beaten
[11:22] <SurfnKid> does anyone know how to use Midnight Commander that can help me with a few commands to log in to a remote machine
[11:23] <[Nirvana] > SurfnKid: you can prolly use konqueror... smb:/ no?
[11:24] <SurfnKid> [Nirvana] : um sure. but its to another linux box, i guess i could try
[11:24] <[Nirvana] > is it a samba connection to the other box? or a crossover wire?
[11:25] <SurfnKid> samba as in linux type connection? yeah, boxes are both on a wifi network
[11:25] <oputres> Hmm, I can't find the translation for repository. Never heared it before... So Universe is only one giant server out there on the internet?
[11:25] <SurfnKid> midnight commander is awesome
[11:25] <SurfnKid> just need to know how to bring up the remote session
[11:25] <iNiku> oputres: repository is basically a collection of software packages (in this context)
[11:25] <Prakti> '/etc/acpi/suspend.sh didnt do the thing either.
[11:26] <iNiku> Prakti: you may need to run it with the force argument
[11:26] <Prakti> iNiku:
[11:26] <Prakti> why?
[11:26] <[Nirvana] > oputres: ubuntu has many servers
[11:27] <iNiku> oputres: universe is one such collection of software for ubuntu -- the one that includes all the stuff that has been packaged but is not being maintained by ubuntu folks, basically
[11:27] <oputres> I see. Well it's a new world for me, this Linux. Now I will sleep on it. Good night (it's 11:30 PM in Sweden)
[11:27] <Prakti> I got a quite strange error, echo claimed not to be able to
[11:27] <Prakti> allocate memory
[11:28] <Prakti> so the hibernation command could not be sent into proc/acpi/state
[11:28] <[Nirvana] > info about the repos and what they mean: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:28] <iNiku> uh, that does sound weird indeed
[11:28] <Prakti> I correct: could not be sent to /sys/power/stat
[11:28] <Prakti> I think I will meditate on the problem a little.
[11:28] <Prakti> maybe give suspend2 a go.
[11:29] <iNiku> sounds like your ACPI support may be a little iffy, or something
[11:29] <iNiku> does suspend to memory (ie. sleep) work either?
[11:29] <Prakti> iNiku: suspend to mem works like a charm
[11:29] <Prakti> even fixes the usb error after resume from hibernation
[11:29] <Prakti> but I regard this as a quite crude workaround
[11:30] <Prakti> But frankly I'm disappointed with Kubuntu 6.06 regarding ACPI.
[11:30] <Prakti> Ubuntu 5.10 worked like a charm regarding ACPI
[11:31] <Prakti> and just out of the box.
[11:31] <LjL> Prakti: but *k*ubuntu 5.10 didn't, did it?
[11:31] <Prakti> LjL: I don't know
[11:31] <LjL> for me, neither kubuntu (5.10 or 6.06) worked well with ACPI (meaning sleep and hibernation)
[11:31] <DaSkreech> What should I use to build a GUI in Java?
[11:31] <LjL> ubuntu does work very well with that, though
[11:32] <Prakti> Hmm,....
[11:32] <LjL> though resuming from sleep is still faster on windows, but then what the heck
[11:33] <Prakti> Looks like I need to contact the Kubuntu-ACPI-devs
[11:33] <Prakti> They might need some help.
[11:34] <Prakti> At the moment it's not that bad.
[11:34] <GullyFoyle> woohoo i got flash working in konqueror on amd64!
[11:34] <Prakti> GullyFoyle: congrats
[11:35] <GullyFoyle> using 32bit plugins on 64bit konq
[11:35] <GullyFoyle> now i can use firefoxfor noflash but konq if i need it
[11:36] <Prakti> I'm still struggling with flash on 32bit
[11:37] <Prakti> i386
[11:37] <jbirdAngel> hello
[11:37] <jbirdAngel> it is illegal to listen to an mp3 on linux right? is it legal to convert an mp3 to ogg and then listen to it all on linux? what program should i use to convert if it is?
[11:37] <GullyFoyle> i didnt want to run 32bit firefox just for flash, but once in a while i do want to see flash
[11:38] <DaSkreech> jbirdAngel: It's not illegal
[11:38] <linuxmonkey> jbirdAngel: were not legal advise it may be illegal to do both depending of your country
[11:38] <DaSkreech> it's illeagal to watch a DVD
[11:38] <mikearthur> how do I enable BCF fonts in Kubuntu?
[11:38] <DaSkreech> If you live in the United States :)
[11:39] <mikearthur> jbirdAngel: what country are you in
[11:39] <jbirdAngel> USA
[11:39] <mikearthur> most countries have fair use laws
[11:39] <mikearthur> and in yours, I think its technically illegal
[11:39] <geneo93> its not illegal only if you share them with other ppl outside your familly
[11:39] <mikearthur> but its not the sort of thing that people are getting jailed for
[11:40] <DaSkreech> jbirdAngel: So basically which is more important to you listening tomp3s or staying clear of the legallly blurry sreas?
[11:41] <mindspit> hallo all!
[11:41] <mindspit> can i force kerry beagle search to rescan directories again for new stuff?
[11:42] <mindspit> it does not find anything under /media/hdd1(hard disk using fat32) i have
[11:43] <jbirdAngel> thank you for trying to help, doing the Lord's will is the mos timportant to me, and when the laws dont go against Him then i think it right to follow them, so thats what ill do, have a nice time :)
[11:43] <LjL> jbirdAngel: what about find someone who has a license to read MP3, and ask them to convert yours to Ogg? that someone might be yourself, if you have a licensed version of Windows (for instance)
[11:44] <DaSkreech> jbirdAngel: We must obey God rather than men :)
[11:44] <mindspit> oh god! no more god for me...
[11:44] <LjL> and software patents are unholy. but anyway
[11:44] <DaSkreech> LjL: :-)
[11:44] <mindspit> here in greece we had 12 and all human-ish
[11:45] <mindspit> yes soft patebnts are unholy!
[11:45] <DaSkreech> LjL: Well I think the patent is on creating mp3's so as long as he is not converting TO mp3 he should be good
[11:45] <jbirdAngel> LjL: ya i have windows, i can switch to that, and since any new comps i might buy will probably be laptops its likely ill alwyas have windows on it, but id prefer to save the $ and use linux
[11:45] <LjL> mindspit: here in italy we couldn't think of our own, so we copied your 12
[11:45] <geneo93> lame is free codec that will play mp3's
[11:45] <mindspit> :)
[11:45] <jbirdAngel> DaSkreech: yes we must:) and i most certaintly want to :) thanks
[11:45] <LjL> DaSkreech: i'm not sure about that. if that were the case, then why doesn't ubuntu include mp3 *reading* support?
[11:46] <DaSkreech> LjL: Cause the codec does both
[11:46] <LjL> jbirdAngel: i'm not telling you to use windows in general, but just to convert your mp3 to ogg (as you suggested might be an option for you) so you can listen to the ogg legally on linux
[11:47] <LjL> DaSkreech: uh, *which* codec? there are certainly software programs that do both things, but there are also certainly ones that do only either
[11:47] <geneo93> LjL:  where did you get the idea thats its illegal
[11:47] <crimsun> LjL: in main, you mean?
[11:47] <DaSkreech> And you need to install a mp3 ripping codec alongside a mp3 reading codec?
[11:47] <crimsun> ubuntu actually /does/ include it in main
[11:47] <crimsun> (cf. xmms)
[11:47] <LjL> geneo93: why are you addressing me specifically? we're like 4 people talking about this
[11:48] <geneo93> its not illegal
[11:48] <LjL> crimsun: hm, right, it's not there by default though... why?
[11:48] <jbirdAngel> LjL: ya i could do that, right now though with the websites im browsing has sound files and or video so atleast for browsing this stuff i guess it will be easier to just switch to windows
[11:48] <crimsun> LjL: potential IP enforcement issues
[11:48] <crimsun> LjL: hence, gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 is in universe
[11:48] <LjL> crimsun: which means that an mp3 *decoder* (not *encoder*) *can*, too, be illegal. correct?
[11:49] <LjL> can, or might, or at least there's a patent on it, valid or not
[11:49] <geneo93> lame is gpl'd
[11:49] <crimsun> LjL: potentially, yes, which is why they [should]  all be in universe.
[11:49] <LjL> geneo93: then see what crimsun said, as to the question you asked me
[11:49] <crimsun> lame is even stickier. It's an /encoder/ as well, so it's dumped into multiverse.
[11:50] <geneo93> oh the computer police are coming to get you right now
[11:51] <crimsun> considering I contributed code to LAME, well...
[11:51] <LjL> geneo93: are you trolling or what? you said it wasn't illegal, and yet apparently it is or can be. not you're being sarcastic. are you going to do that no matter what we say?
[11:52] <jbirdAngel> can quicktime play mp3? quicktime is fully legal to run on linux under wine, so if it can play mp3s then that is legal that way isnt it?
[11:52] <LjL> geneo93: surely, Ubuntu has the right to decide that it shouldn't include things that are [believed to be]  illegal.
[11:52] <LjL> jbirdAngel: uh, i guess winamp is legal to run on linux under wine as well. what matters is you having a license
[11:52] <DaSkreech> jbirdAngel: Yes
[11:52] <LjL> unless the EULA of winamp says it can only be run on windows, that is. i doubt that though
[11:53] <geneo93> LjL:  its not included because they dont like sticking there necks out like kororaa
[11:53] <DaSkreech> LjL: Winamp doesn't have a Liscense just an agreement
[11:53] <LjL> DaSkreech: whatever
[11:53] <geneo93> use xmms
[11:53] <LjL> geneo93: it is not included because it's understood to be illegal in some countries.
[11:54] <geneo93> ah why was it installed by default on mine then
[11:54] <LjL> geneo93: what was?
[11:54] <geneo93> xmms
[11:54] <BanskuZ> You have to pay royalties if u live in USA (just a guess).
[11:54] <LjL> geneo93: on what, ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu?
[11:55] <geneo93> kubuntu
[11:55] <geneo93> off dvd
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> But canocial is registered in a tax haven it doesn't have to obey usa law
[11:55] <LjL> geneo93: xmms is certainly not installed by default on kubuntu...
[11:55] <LjL> hmm, dvd, i wouldn't know about that.
[11:55] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: America reserves the right to bomb anyone who doesn't pay them money
[11:56] <geneo93> not only that but i got 686 kernel right off that also
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Why haven't they attacked China then
[11:56] <LjL> h3sp4wn: and yet people downloading it might. anyway, it would be fine with me if kubuntu included mp3 support by default, but it makes no sense to just be sarcastic about it and/or deny that it may be illegal in the USA and/or other countries
[11:56] <DaSkreech> China makes them money as an aside
[11:56] <LjL> geneo93: well the 686 kernel at least is certainly very legal ;-)
[11:57] <crimsun> geneo93: xmms is still in main for legacy reasons. It may well disappear into universe.
[11:57] <Official_C> what is 686? is that the 64 bit architecture?
[11:57] <LjL> Official_C: no. it's the pentium architecture, basically
[11:57] <Official_C> so what is 386?
[11:57] <Official_C> the same thing?
[11:57] <LjL> the, uh, 386 architecture? :-)
[11:58] <LjL> Official_C: a 386 kernel will run perfectly on 586, 686, K6, K7 etc
[11:58] <geneo93> 386 is one step above 286
[11:58] <Official_C> k thats what i though
[11:58] <word> w00t the new pure pwnage episode is out ;p
[11:58] <Official_C> so, do you guys have the 686 jernel?
[11:58] <LjL> Official_C: it's just that the more specialized versions use xyz-specific instructions, that may make things faster (where "xyz" is 686, or K7, or whatever --- i believe that's the two intel 32-bit archs that ubuntu offers beside 386)
[11:59] <LjL> Official_C: i have the K7 kernel, because i have an AMD Athlon
[11:59] <DaSkreech> Official_C: 386 is the lowest denominator. It will always work on a x86 machine
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Official_C: It may be slower or not take advatnage of special hardware but it will work
[12:00] <Official_C> is the windowsxp kernel designed for the 386 arch?
[12:00] <LjL> Official_C: as a rough rule, if you have a recent computer, but not a 64-bit one, use 686 if it's an intel, and k7 if it's an AMD. if you have a 64 bit one, use the relevant kernel. if your computer is *quite* old, use the 386 kernel
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Official_C: If you know what Processor you have you can get a more specialized one
[12:00] <LjL> Official_C: using the 386 kernel will be fine on *any* intel-based processor, though
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Official_C: I'd hazzard a yes :)
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> The server kernel is still compiled for 386
[12:01] <LjL> hm i guess windows xp *might* only work on 486 or even pentium... just a guess though
[12:01] <geneo93> except for mine with dual xeons
[12:01] <Official_C> LjL: I have a P4
[12:01] <LjL> Official_C: 686 should be fine
[12:01] <Official_C> ok
[12:01] <LjL> Official_C: anyway, as long as you keep 386 installed, you can always fall back to that at the GRUB boot menu
[12:02] <Official_C> cool
[12:03] <LjL> crimsun: off the record... are you actually putting mp3-stuff out of main because of the possible-in-some-countries illegality, or to encourage using free formats? :)