 :P
[00:54] <rgreening> ScottK: have you seen my blogs/work on usb-creator-kde?
[00:55]  * rgreening is feeling chatty
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> <3 integrating programs with kde4
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> little effort, noticable improvements
[00:57] <rgreening> :)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> can be interesting at times, since jockey does its own command line parsing
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> if jockey had been KDE from the start they wouldn't have to do such things :P
[01:00] <shtylman> is there any hope of replace the awefill network manager icons?
[01:02] <nellery> if CMakeLists.txt is not in the root directory, is there some way to specifiy its location, or should it just be moved?
[01:04] <rgreening> shtylman: sebas blogged about want help with that. Maybe kwwii can help...
[01:09] <ScottK> rgreening: I have seen them.
[01:10] <ScottK> Good for you.
[01:13] <ScottK> shtylman: Did you file a bug on Karbon about not being able to scale by pixels?
[01:14] <shtylman> ScottK: no...its not a matter of scale by pixels...they don't list pixels as a unit
[01:14] <shtylman> its more of a feature request
[01:14] <ScottK> shtylman: Yes, it'd be a wishlist bug.
[01:15] <ScottK> Considering it a sufficiently important lack to cause you to use a non-KDE tool, I think it's worth asking.
[01:16] <shtylman> I see...
[01:16] <super__rad> is there a reason kubuntu doesn't include a torrent program on the cd? Would be nice to have either ktorrent or the new qt port of transmission on the cd
[01:17] <ScottK> super__rad: Are you sure ktorrent isn't on the CD?
[01:18] <ScottK> I show it as being part of kubuntu-desktop.
[01:19] <super__rad> i installed ubuntu karmic alpha2 then installed the kubuntu-desktop package and ktorrent wasnt installed
[01:19]  * ScottK investigates further.
[01:20] <ScottK> super__rad: What architecture?
[01:21] <super__rad> 64
[01:22] <ScottK> Looks like it's only seeded for i386 for some reason.
[01:22] <ScottK> I'll look into it.
[01:23] <super__rad> ah right, thought it was a bit strange that it wasn't installed.
[01:25] <ScottK> super__rad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.karmic/revision/769 - amd64 was full, so something had to go.
[01:27] <super__rad> ah right
[01:27] <ScottK> No k3b either, fwiw
[01:28] <super__rad> yeah had just noticed that aswell
[01:29] <seele> rickspencer3: pong
[01:29] <rickspencer3> seele: hi
[01:29] <rickspencer3> unfortunately, I need to go very soon
[01:29] <seele> rickspencer3: ok, tomorrow morning then?
[01:29] <rickspencer3> but I was wondering if you had made progress on the plan for 100 paper cuts?
[01:30] <seele> i started on an email to send to kubuntu-devel but it didn't make it out yet
[01:30] <rickspencer3> ok
[01:30] <seele> i'm stuck on how we do the community part of the bug selection
[01:30] <rickspencer3> so, for full disclosure, I already talked to ivanka about this
[01:30] <rickspencer3> and she is amenable, but I told her that *you* would be playing the Ux role for Kubuntu
[01:30] <rickspencer3> is that ok?
[01:31] <seele> yes, that is fine with me :)
[01:31] <seele> i just need to figure out how to integrate with everyone else.. i'm still grabbing at straw right now
[01:32] <rickspencer3> you just need people to start adding bug tasks to the 100 paper cuts project, I think
[01:32] <rickspencer3> then you go through and set them to "invalid" if they are not paper cuts by the definition
[01:33] <rickspencer3> (in other words, my advice is to not over think it)
[01:33] <seele> ok.. so do we import kde bugs or just create new bugs? that's the part i'm confused about
[01:33] <rickspencer3> both
[01:33] <seele> i dont know how that bug system stuff works, i dont triage
[01:33] <seele> ok
[01:33] <rickspencer3> if there is an existing bug, you can create a bug task for it in the hunderpapercuts project
[01:34] <rickspencer3> so there is a parent child relationship Bugs have bug tasks
[01:34] <rickspencer3> so a single bug can have tasks in multiple projects
[01:34] <rickspencer3> in this way, a valid bug can be put into the paper cuts project, and set to invalid as a "paper cut" but not invalid as a bug, per se
[01:34] <rickspencer3> (that made no sense :P )
[01:34] <seele> hmm.. ok
[01:35] <seele> how long is phase 1 and the period for people to submit papercuts?
[01:35] <rickspencer3> well ... I think it's drawing to a close, but I am sure there is flexibility to make it work for Kubuntu
[01:35] <rickspencer3> let's talk tomorrow
[01:35] <seele> ok
[01:36] <rickspencer3> my family is begging me to come away to dinner ;)
[01:36] <rickspencer3-afk> bye bye
[01:36]  * seele waves
[01:38]  * DaskreeCH waves
[01:39] <DaskreeCH> seele: I had started making a set of paper cuts before RL kicked in
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> 2,500: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kde
[01:44] <seele> Nightrose: will you be aruond tomorrow? i might need your help rallying the user troopers
[01:45] <seele> JontheEchidna: so that is an import of bugs.kde.org?
[01:45] <Nightrose> seele: probably
[01:45]  * seele doesnt know how this stuff works
[01:45] <seele> Nightrose: ok. once i figure out what to do, i might need help figuring out where all the users are
[01:45] <Nightrose> hehe alright
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> seele: that's all of the bugs people have reported to ubuntu that contain the word "kde" in them
[01:45] <seele> i only ever work with developers so i'm not sure who uses forums or whatever
[01:46] <DaskreeCH> I think that's a cross section of where KDE has issues that people have reported from Ubuntu
[01:46] <Nightrose> yea - let's talk about it tomorrow
[01:46] <Nightrose> i am too tired atm
[01:46] <Nightrose> should have been in bed two hours ago :D
[01:46]  * DaskreeCH takes Nightrose to bed
[01:46] <Nightrose> \o/
[01:46] <seele> JontheEchidna: ah.. see.. there are probably lots of good papercut bugs on bugs.kde.org because they get all kinds of junk
[01:46] <seele> Nightrose: ni'
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'd agree
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> their wishlist stuff generally goes untended
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> they need a wishsquad and a bugsquad :P
[01:47] <seele> maybe we can get non-kubuntu users invovled by posting those types of bugs to launchpad. since a lot of our stuff goes back upstream they benefit too
[01:47] <DaskreeCH> File a bug for that against bugsquad
[01:48] <seele> and say what? i dont understand
[01:49] <seele> they triage right? they dont actually file the bugs?
[01:50] <DaskreeCH> seele: Yeah I was making a joke we should file a bug for bugsquad that they are missing a Wishsquad
[01:51] <DaskreeCH> (which is essentailly a wish bug)
[01:52] <vorian> 2499
[01:56] <vorian> JontheEchidna: haha
[01:56] <vorian> dude, that kmines bug is trippy
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, quite the upstream discussion
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> 2498
[01:58] <DaskreeCH> which bug?
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> bug 387113
[01:59] <DaskreeCH> Quassel is really annoying me now
[01:59] <vorian> i saw a .2 release of an irc client
[02:04] <vorian> huh, maybe not
[02:23] <jjesse> anyone able to package and update choqoK?  there is a new 0.6.1 which fixes the bug where it won't receive updates from twitter
[02:24] <jjesse> i filed a bug about it on bugs.kde.org and the author closed the bug as resolved in .6.1
[02:26] <vorian> jjesse: it's in karmic, and a backport has been requested
[02:27] <jjesse> vorian: yay
[02:27] <DaskreeCH> Wait 0.6 is in backports? I though that 0.4 was Jaunty
[02:27] <vorian> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=choqok
[02:28] <jjesse> DaskreeCH: yes i am currently runing .6 from backports
[02:28] <jjesse> however it doesn't receive twitter updates
[02:28] <DaskreeCH> Ah sweet
[02:30] <jjesse> well sweet its in backports, not sweet it doesn't receive updates from twitter
[02:30] <DaskreeCH> https://edge.launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/ppa
[02:31] <jjesse> oh yay
[02:34] <jjesse> hrmm should i add yet another PPA
[02:34] <jjesse> or wait for the backport
[02:37] <DaskreeCH> Add it install then remove it and wait for the backport to catch up :)
[02:39] <shtylman> Riddell: did you say no branding on the installer? :( ... but it filles the space so nicely ... (sad) ...
[02:40] <DaskreeCH> Was there a Kubuntu meeting recently?
[02:41] <vorian> yeah, last night
[02:41] <vorian> it was wild
[02:41] <vorian> booze
[02:41] <vorian> drugs
[02:41] <DaskreeCH> damn I was out last night. Where are the logs?
[02:41] <vorian> uno momento!
[02:43] <vorian> DaskreeCH: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/17/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[02:43] <vorian> it's fantastic luck, the way the time/day of the meeting start
[03:06] <DaskreeCH> :-D
[03:09] <DaskreeCH> Ha ha I love rickspencer3 as well :)
[03:29] <DaskreeCH> vorian:
[03:29] <DaskreeCH> http://zekecoma.blogspot.com/2009/06/aki-v002-released.html
[03:29]  * vorian looks
[03:30] <vorian> yah!
[03:30] <vorian> needs packaging
[03:31] <DaskreeCH> WOuld be really neat of all these people writing things that we already have already would put some time into something like nepomuk
[03:32] <vorian> hmm
[03:32] <vorian> looks a lot like konversation
[03:35] <DaskreeCH> Preach it
[03:54] <vorian> neversfelde: other thing - un-assign yourself when you subscribe sponsors
[04:42] <yuriy> seele: so maybe when people put a kde bug in the papercuts project they should assign it to you?
[04:43] <yuriy> so you can accept/invalidate without looking through all the papercuts bugs
[05:12] <LaserJock> hi all, just thought I'd drop by and say well done on Jaunty. It seems to be the best KDE4 I've tried yet
[05:13] <DaskreeCH> LaserJock: Aww shucks :)
[05:14] <DaskreeCH> LaserJock: Now to get you to come in and say that everytime we have a new version :)
[05:14] <LaserJock> well, it certainly has been getting better over time
[05:15] <LaserJock> coming from more of the GNOME side I'm amazed that you guys pump out whole new upstream releases on stable Kubuntu releases
[07:39] <nixternal> oi oi
[07:39] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid
[07:40] <nixternal> Alpha 1 :)
[08:30] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: any plans on packages of Amarok 2.1.1 ? an important bugfix btw :)
[09:56] <Riddell> >plasmapkg -i kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid
[09:56] <Riddell> Installation of /home/jr/src/feedback/kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid failed.
[09:57] <Riddell> nixternal: got any source?
[09:58] <Riddell>     from PyKDE4 import plasmascript
[09:58] <Riddell> ImportError: cannot import name plasmascript
[09:58] <Riddell> oh, hmm, pykde problem
[09:58] <Mamarok> hm, we get that agoin with the backports-PPA:
[09:58] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkephal.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin
[10:01] <Riddell> Mamarok: ok, let me fix
[10:02] <Mamarok> Riddell: thx
[10:04] <Riddell> I wonder if RPM has problems with overlapping files
[10:04] <Quintasan> hiho
[10:05] <Mamarok> no idea, but I remember RPM to be a real dependency hell from ym Mandrake times
[10:06] <Riddell> fix uploaded
[10:10] <Quintasan> how come I don't have plasmapkg binary?
[10:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: install the new kdebase-runtime
[10:19] <Riddell> nixternal: ooh it worked
[10:19] <Riddell> but I had to move plasmascript out from python-support
[10:20] <Mamarok> Riddell: here comes another one: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu', which is also in package kdesudo
[10:20] <Riddell> hum, that is more tricky
[10:21] <Riddell> that's a dpkg diverts issue
[10:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: helped in Karmic but not in Jaunty
[10:23] <Riddell> anyone remember what we agreed to do with that diverts?
[10:27] <Mamarok> btw, any chance to see packages for Amarok 2.1.1 soon? people are asking for it
[10:34] <Riddell> there's a new amarok?
[10:34] <Mamarok> of course, a bugfix release of 2.1
[10:35] <Mamarok> Nightrose sent mail to the packagers almost 10 days ago AFAIK
[10:35] <Mamarok> release was yesterday
[10:36] <Riddell> fooey
[10:36] <Mamarok> tagging was last Friday
[10:36]  * Riddell gets onto it
[10:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:46] <javi> there is a problem with strigi in karmic alpha2, at least under amd64
[10:46] <javi> i need to do sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
[10:46] <javi> /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[10:47] <Riddell> javi: not really our area, file a bug on java, we only do KDE here
[10:47] <javi> or the strigi group under desktop search in system settings will complaint: "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so
[10:47] <javi> /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[10:48] <javi> >_<
[10:48] <javi> it will say "strigi service failed to initialize, most likely due to an instalation problem"
[10:48] <javi> i've been looking to kdebugs and sebas says is more a packaging issue
[10:51] <javi> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193541
[10:59]  * sebas notes that sebas != trueg
[10:59] <javi> ups, I'm sorry
[11:03] <javi> so, do i report this to launchpad or where?
[11:05] <jussi01> !bug | javi
[11:22] <Tonio_> hi
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: update-notifier-kde broken....
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the link in /usr/bin is broken
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: investigating
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixed
[11:35] <Riddell> what needed fixing?
[12:43] <vorian> neversfelde: your daisy plasmoid was uploaded.  Thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[12:57] <Riddell> what does  a daisy plasmoid do?
[12:57] <vorian> Riddell: it's pretty neat
[12:58] <vorian> it's a round launcher, or a pseudo dock
[12:59] <Riddell> oh aye
[13:36] <ScottK> nixternal (and Riddell): For feedback what about a 'kubuntu-feedback' project on Launchpad and use the new apport thing where you can ask questions?
[13:48]  * txwikinger_work is frustrated about KDE's regression
[13:49] <Mamarok> what regression?
[13:49] <txwikinger_work> plasma-desktop
[13:49] <txwikinger_work> it always dies on me a slowly death
[13:49] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: which KDE?
[13:49] <txwikinger_work> KDE 4.3 beta I think
[13:50] <txwikinger_work> beta 2
[13:50] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: works fantastic here in Jaunty, 4.2.90
[13:50] <txwikinger_work> however, I had the same problem with 4.2
[13:50] <Mamarok> not a regression, more like a configuration problem on your side I think
[13:50] <txwikinger_work> 4.2.90 is 4.3 beta2
[13:51] <txwikinger_work> well.. it works for awhile, but after several hours, all the icons on plasmoids and panels disappear
[13:52] <txwikinger_work> and the texts too
[13:52] <txwikinger_work> not sure what that has to do with configuration
[13:52] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: I know, that's why I said, you have a configuration problem, maybe missing packages
[13:52] <txwikinger_work> why is it working when it is started then?
[13:52] <rgreening> txwikinger_work:, Mamarok: plasma here eats memory/cpu and eventually slows to a halt as well.
[13:52] <Mamarok> I have occasional plasma crashes, but it restarts itself
[13:53] <Mamarok> the icon-teyt disappearance was something I had in 4.2.2-4.2.4, not in beta 2 anymore
[13:53] <rgreening> it consumes 98% cpu after a while. might be one of the applets.
[13:53] <txwikinger_work> rgreening: Well.. I have 8GB RAM now... Itis not running out of memory
[13:53] <rgreening> cpu..
[13:53] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: check the widgets you use, might well be one of those
[13:53] <rgreening> that's what I was figuring for my issue as well.
[13:54] <txwikinger_work> that would be bad
[13:54] <txwikinger_work> widgets should not be able to degrade plasma-desktop itself
[13:54] <txwikinger_work> that would be badly contained
[13:54] <txwikinger_work> that would be a major design flaw IMHO
[13:54] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: the now playing widget has a problem FWIW...
[13:54] <txwikinger_work> Don't use that one
[13:55]  * txwikinger_work is at work... doesn't play anything ;)
[13:58] <txwikinger_work> what happens if I kill plasma-desktop? does it restart by itself?
[13:58] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: it should, yes
[13:58]  * txwikinger_work is missing the plama binary which he could restart plasma with
[13:58] <txwikinger_work> it should?
[13:59] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: then install it?
[13:59] <txwikinger_work> how?
[13:59] <txwikinger_work> which package is it in?
[13:59] <txwikinger_work> I have now plasma-desktop... not plasma anymore that is running
[14:01] <txwikinger_work> ok.. it is not restarting itself!
[14:02] <txwikinger_work> ah.. I can start plasma-desktop instead.. it just doesn't work if there is already one running
[14:03] <txwikinger_work> well.. but it doesn't find the icons anymore
[14:03] <txwikinger_work> probably because it moans that it does not find the .desktop files
[14:04] <txwikinger_work> well.. maybe not
[14:15] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
[14:16] <rgreening> if you explicitly kill, it does not re-spawn (as far as I understand it)
[14:19] <Tm_T> FYI plasma-mid is working these days for testing (:)
[14:19] <Tm_T> atleast for me it is
[14:22] <ScottK> Tm_T: Cool.  Time for Tonio_ to get busy with packaging it ....
[14:23] <rgreening> lol
[14:23] <rgreening> ScottK: usb-creator-kde is almost ported.
[14:23] <rgreening> whee...
[14:23] <Tm_T> ScottK: as pre-alpha that is
[14:23] <ScottK> rgreening: Excellent.
[14:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: Yes, but we have hopes of including it in Karmic as some kind of 'technology preview' for Karmic +1/KDE 4.4.
[14:24] <rgreening> ScottK: a few more gobject conversions, a merge and then it's packaging, translations, and clean-up.
[14:24] <ScottK> Great.
[14:25] <rgreening> ScottK: I've learned a lot of gtk (not that I wanted too) and qt in the process.. :)
[14:26] <ScottK> rgreening: Careful.  You are probably our "Ubuntu has one, but we don't, please port it" expert now.
[14:26] <rgreening> hah. yeah.....
[14:27] <rgreening> ScottK: I hink it will be easier now though... so we may have to make a list...
[14:47] <neversfelde> vorian: thank you
[14:48] <vorian> no problemo
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I noticed that k3b and ktorrent are still dropped from !i386 images.  We've got ~50MB free currently.  How would you feel about me putting them back?
[14:51] <Riddell> yes they should  go  back
[14:52] <ScottK> OK.  I'll take care of it.
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll put scim-tables-additional back too.
[14:55] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[14:55] <ScottK> That one is commented out anyway.
[15:08] <neversfelde> Is the kubuntu packaging session today?
[15:09] <vorian> yes
[15:09] <vorian> 18:00 iirc
[15:09] <neversfelde> I guess UTC?
[15:10] <vorian> yup
[15:10] <neversfelde> ok, I will listen to it :)
[15:10] <Mamarok> ditto, hope I don't forget
[15:10] <Mamarok> where?
[15:11] <vorian> #ubuntu-classroom
[15:11] <vorian> Our next Packaging Training Session is going to show Kubuntu a little
[15:11] <vorian> love. This Thursday (June 18) at 18:00 UTC, MOTU Jonathan Thomas
[15:11] <vorian> (JontheEchidna) will be leading a session on packaging KDE4 Apps and
[15:11] <vorian> Plasmoids. Find out what it takes to pitch in and join the Kubuntu
[15:11] <vorian> community. Learn the ways of the Kubuntu Ninjas!
[15:13] <neversfelde> Who or what is a Kubuntu Ninja?^^
[15:14] <Mamarok> neversfelde: the Kubuntu packagers :)
[15:14] <neversfelde> Mamarok: psssst!
[15:15] <Riddell> vorian: where is that announced?
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> "Ninjas are very nice kind of unicorn developers with code monkey abilities. "
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> ^not where it was announced
[15:16] <vorian> Riddell: on the
[15:16] <vorian> pfft
[15:16] <vorian> On the MOTU mailing list
[15:18] <Riddell> this deserves blogging
[15:18] <Riddell> shouldn't  it be on  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Classroom  ?
[15:19] <vorian> um,
[15:19] <vorian> nhandler: is one of the fellas in charge of the weekly packaging classes
[15:20] <freinhard> Riddell: kdesudo doesn't return the executed commands exit code?
[15:40] <shtylman> Riddell: screengrab #2 ... my attempt to make it more ... 'air' like... http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ubiquity_idea1.png
[15:46] <Riddell> shtylman: damn that's blingy
[15:47] <Riddell> freinhard: don't know, Tonio_ might
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> sexy @ ubiquity
[15:50] <shtylman> :)
[15:51] <ScottK> Riddell: kubuntu-meta updated.
[15:54] <freinhard> Riddell: code looks like kdesudo doesn't. doesn't matter anyways since install-package uses kdesu.
[15:55] <freinhard> i'm somehow confused anyways. kdesudo and kdebase-runtime ship /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu
[15:57] <Riddell> freinhard: it's a divert, when kdesudo is installed /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu is kdesu
[15:59] <freinhard> s/is kdesu/is kdesudo/
[15:59] <rgreening> shtylman: nice
[16:06] <rgreening> Riddell: I have an app that uses a QProgressDialog and I connect a method to the canceled slot. The method runs a KMessageBox to ask for confirmation. However, if I say no, then the QProgressDialog is still destroyed and the app closes (cause the main window is hidden) and not sure what to do..
[16:09] <Riddell> canceled() is a signal?
[16:09] <Riddell> "This signal is emitted when the cancel button is clicked. It is connected to the cancel() slot by default."  you can see if you can disconnect that signal
[16:13] <rgreening> Riddell: How do I disconnect a signal?
[16:14] <rgreening> Riddell: QProgressDialog::disconnect I presume...
[16:14] <Riddell> QObject.disconnect() ?
[16:38] <rgreening> Riddell: this seems to work... took a while to get the correct syntax.. self.disconnect(self.progress_bar,SIGNAL('canceled()'),self.progress_bar.cancel)
[16:38] <rgreening> I kept trying SLOT('cancel()') as last parameter... and fail.
[16:40] <Riddell> you're not thinking python enough :)
[16:42] <rgreening> lol
[16:42] <rgreening> I'm lernin
[16:42] <rgreening> :P
[16:42] <rgreening> Riddell: at least the app is getting close to usable now...
[16:43] <freinhard> Riddell, Tonio_ : might be interested in the two branches i just pushed for update-notifier-kde and kdersudo.
[16:45] <rgreening> Riddell: any chance you can help me figure out how the translations should occur in usb-creator-kde? Since it uses the same backend as the gtk one, messages are sent to frontend in gettext format, so using i18n alone (or in addition to) may not be possible. I need some assistance.
[16:47] <rgreening> also, Riddell, do we have all our specs completed? today is some feature spec freeze...?
[16:50] <Riddell> yes specs are all completed and approved
[16:50]  * shtylman working on addimg mrore to the installer spec....
[16:50] <Riddell> if it shares translations with the gtk one it should use gettext
[16:51] <shtylman> Riddell: should I bother? or is it past the deadline?
[16:51] <Riddell> take a look at ubiquity's KDE frontend
[16:51] <Riddell> shtylman: it would be good if you did, so we have an idea what the plans are
[16:51] <shtylman> also...wiki is down for me...anyone else get that problem?
[16:51] <shtylman> Riddell: ok...will do ... I will add the screenshot I sent you as well as write up some of the other mplementation related tasks
[16:52] <freinhard> shtylman: no response from wiki.kubuntu.org
[16:53] <Riddell> rgreening: I'd expect you can just copy and paste the gettext bits from the gtk one
[16:53] <shtylman> freinhard: same...followed by internal server error
[16:54] <freinhard> shtylman: still loading...
[16:55] <rgreening> Riddell: what about translating the Qt ui file?
[16:55] <rgreening> how does that happen then?
[16:55]  * rgreening is confused with translations
[16:55] <rgreening> do we have a translations expert in the group?
[16:56] <shtylman> rgreening: it is a recursive function that translates based on the qobject name
[16:58] <shtylman> rgreening: line 486 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py
[16:58] <Riddell> mm, not terribly pretty, but it works
[16:59] <shtylman> those match up with the translator files tags
[17:01] <shtylman> Riddell: what is the "Release Note" section supposed to say?
[17:03] <rgreening> shtylman: maybe you could help integrate that for me :)
[17:03] <Riddell> shtylman: "New in this release, ubiquity has bling appeal"
[17:03] <shtylman> hahaha .. ok
[17:09] <rgreening> shtylman: those functions look really ugly and very specific to the ubiquity app
[17:10] <shtylman> rgreening: that is entirely possible :) ... that code base was there before me... so I don't know all the details...just the basics of how it works
[17:10] <shtylman> I would look at the gtk translation side of usb-creator and see what they do and if they have a similar method call
[17:10] <Tonio_> freinhard: looking at kdesudo
[17:11] <Tonio_> freinhard: have a url for your branch
[17:13] <nixternal> ScottK: with apport and the questions, that could work, but do we want bug reports that are just feedback? though we could add on to it, but we still need a place for it all to go
[17:16] <freinhard> Tonio_: https://code.launchpad.net/~freinhard
[17:17] <Tonio_> freinhard: got it thanks, I'll revu
[17:24] <nixternal> Riddell: so what did you think about alpha 1 for feedback? :) I amused myself with Lime Survey at least
[17:28] <Riddell> nixternal: the feedback plasmoid looks great
[17:29] <nixternal> heh, should we think about going that route? if we do, then we will need to add Lime Survey to feedback.kubuntu.org or such
[17:31] <akos_> Hi! Could someone please have a look at Ubuntu bug 373260? It is listed as a bug of kdebase, but I think is more of a deficiency of the X init mechanism.
[17:41] <shtylman> nixternal: got a screencap for the plasmoid? or a package?
[17:41] <nixternal> HAHAHAHA, who left responses?
[17:41] <shtylman> I am glad someone made it happen :)
[17:42] <nixternal> shtylman: http://blog.nixternal.com - screencaps and link to the package
[17:43] <Riddell> nixternal: yes I think we should
[17:43] <nixternal> What issues did you experience with translations? - I CANT READ TEH ANGLIZH
[17:43] <nixternal> What issues did you experience while running Kubuntu? - I CANT RUN IT AS Long as I want''''' my wife makes me stop!
[17:44] <nixternal> lol, and then they rated the survey a 1 :D
[17:45] <nixternal> Riddell: with that then, probably a good idea to have the server dudes take a look at setting up Lime Survey for us
[17:45] <shtylman> nixternal: looks great! ... when does it pop up for the user? and personally...I think XML is a decent idea for something like this potentially :)
[17:45] <nixternal> we can work on a template for it so it fits in to the rest of the site..I chose to use a very basic theme as to not clutter the plasmoid with pretty colors and text :)
[17:45] <shtylman> will this be in the default install...I hope?
[17:45] <nixternal> shtylman: that will be up to Riddell
[17:46] <Riddell> that's the idea, for beta
[17:46] <nixternal> shtylman: during the dev cycle yes, after that I don't know
[17:47] <shtylman> I think it would be of great benefit after as well...if we want to try out new features or ask people about their experience with something...having that available to popup would be indespensible
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> neat plasmoid
[17:51] <nixternal> actually the plasmoid isn't neat at all, it is only like 6 lines of generic code :)
[17:51] <nixternal> tis the nice thing about it, nice and small
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> <3 QtWebKit
[17:53] <nixternal> I will add a little more to it so it can: detect connection to the Internet - connection == feedback, no connection == label explaining wth it is
[17:53] <Riddell> nixternal: can you e-mail me what I should ask the sysadmins for?
[17:54] <nixternal> then a way to sync in the case that you lose connection while filling it out
[17:54] <nixternal> Riddell: roger that
[18:00] <nixternal> Riddell: you've got mail!
[18:01] <nixternal> maybe we should get newz2000 to do up some templates for it :)
[18:01] <nixternal> though I would prefer pretty much a blank template with the Kubuntu logo...it even works great from iPhones and Blackberrys :)
[18:02] <nixternal> it actually lets you preview your survey in iPhone mode which is cool
[18:03] <shtylman> nixternal: would it be possible for the applet to notify the user of a new survey available..?
[18:07] <nixternal> right now we would have to configure that manually in the code as it is only use Plasma.WebView and KUrl to do all of the work
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> anybody have somewhere where I could dump a small .tar.gz of a debian dir for my packaging session?
[18:11] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: bzr :)
[18:11] <nixternal> lp:~you/+junk/foo
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm, true
[18:11] <nixternal> ya, I just figured that out on my own last night :p
[18:29] <kb9vqf> Hmmm...anyone have any suggestions on how to get packages through REVU? :)
[18:29]  * kb9vqf notes his FDS packages have been languishing for over a month
[19:49] <seele> rickspencer3-afk: ping
[19:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Could you have a look at the Ayatana integration spec and slam an approval on it?
[19:51] <ScottK> nixternal: The thing about using apport is we can hoover up a bunch of system info with the feedback and if there is a real bug in it, just reassign it where it goes.
[19:52] <rgreening> _Sime: ping
[20:06] <rgreening> _Sime: is there an i/o watcher type function for KDE/Qt? For example, say I have a PID of a running process, and I want to know if it has i/o ready so I can wake up another process...
[20:07] <_Sime> rgreening: hi
[20:07] <nixternal> rgreening: that is what dbus is for :p
[20:07] <rgreening> _Sime: trying to port gobject.io_add_watch and gobject.child_watch_add functions to something in Qt or KDE...
[20:08] <_Sime> rgreening: off the top of my head..... dunno... usually Python has close equivalents to C/C++.
[20:08] <rgreening> _Sime: yeah, I just can't seem to locate what I am looking for...
[20:08] <nixternal> qtdbus has the ability to look for events
[20:08] <rgreening> nixternal: ?
[20:09] <_Sime> rgreening: what do you mean by i/o ready? you mean if that process wants to talk to your process?
[20:09] <rgreening> _Sime: have a look here first... http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html
[20:10] <rgreening> _Sime: look at child_watch_add and io_add_watch
[20:10] <rgreening> I need to port a PyGTK app to PyKDE/PyQt... trying to replicate these functions
[20:11] <nixternal> rgreening: what about solid?
[20:11] <nixternal> Solid::DeviceNotifier
[20:11] <rgreening> nixternal: have you looked at the above functions? This isn't about devices
[20:11] <nixternal> oh, thought it was, sorry
[20:11] <rgreening> this is a running process being watched
[20:11] <rgreening> :)
[20:12] <rgreening> any thoughts _Sime?
[20:12] <nixternal> rgreening: KProcess?
[20:12] <_Sime> rgreening: QSocketNotifier
[20:12] <_Sime> rgreening: ??
[20:13] <rgreening> _Sime: that sounds promising
[20:13] <rgreening> _Sime: I think you have it
[20:13] <rgreening> :)
[20:14]  * rgreening is not extremely well versed in all the Qt/KDE classes
[20:15] <rgreening> nixternal: KProcess wants to start and control the process. Unfortunately, I already have the process and PID from pre-existing functions and code, which I cannot disrupt..
[20:15] <rgreening> thanks _Sime. I'll see if I can make that work for me.
[20:30] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: are you creating an official package for plasmaboard?
[20:35]  * ScottK notes the last comment in Bug 380701 and really hopes someone will look into it.
[20:39] <nhandler> Riddell: In regards to the packaging training session, there was a blog post about it 24 hours prior to the session
[20:49] <_Sime> have we got any python-plasma packagers in the room tonight?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: Its still free for packaging
[20:57] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ok, I have it on my ToDo, but it did not build last time I tried
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> it also needs kdebase-workspace-dev, which I found out a little bit ago
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> shame on me for not pbuilding before teaching the class
[20:58] <ScottK> _Sime: I note one or two around.  What is it you need?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> in fact I never filled in the packaging myself :P
[20:58] <_Sime> ScottK: python on karmic can't find PyKDE4.plasmascript
[20:58] <_Sime> ScottK: from PyKDE4 import plasmascript
[20:58] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: you can't teach everything, the class needs it's own experience :)
[20:58] <_Sime> ScottK: fails..
[20:59] <neversfelde> Learning by doing^^
[21:00] <ScottK> _Sime: We also have a Scintilla problem too (Bug #380701)
[21:01] <_Sime> ScottK: it looks like some python modules are being shared between interpreters in a separate directory.
[21:02] <ScottK> Sounds like madness related to the Python 2.6 transition then.
[21:03] <_Sime> I don't know what is going on. It just looks different to me.
[21:04]  * ScottK is still trying to catch up from 3 weeks of travel, so no time to really dig into it.
[21:04]  * ScottK decides to  blame JontheEchidna since he was in charge at the time.
[21:04] <shtylman> oh yea...I forgot that I had an interesting bug when installing alpha2... don't know if anyone else has had this.... but when booting into alpha2 live env and two monitors are connected (with nvidia card) kde hangs and fails to load at around the second to last splash icon
[21:05] <ScottK> shtylman: I saw your installer art.  Did you consider taking up KDE upstream's offer of helping out with artwork?
[21:05] <shtylman> ScottK: didn't know they offered...I would be more than happy to take them up on it!
[21:06]  * ScottK searches for the infos.
[21:08] <rgreening> shtylman: sebas blogged about networkmanager plasmoid needing artwork.. if thats the one you are looking for
[21:09] <ScottK> shtylman: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/06/sharing-brand.html and http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/building-brand-together.html are probably the two best.
[21:09] <ScottK> rgreening: No, I was looking for the one where KDE offered to help with co-branding.
[21:09] <ScottK> Since we pretty much ship upstream artwork, we ought to be easy.
[21:11] <shtylman> ScottK: k..I will reach out ot them and show them my screenshot and see if I can get the ball rolling with something :)
[21:44] <ryanakca> Our wiki theme got installed! Could people go to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs and test out the kubuntunew theme please?
[21:50] <neversfelde> ryanakca: looks good
[21:51] <shtylman> ryanakca: indeed :) ... I like
[21:51] <yuriy> ryanakca: neat. looks very.. dapper
[21:51] <shtylman> I like the boxed in feel... makes the wiki seem more controlled
[21:54] <ryanakca> yuriy: Well, it matches kubuntu.org more than it used to ;) (patches welcome)
[21:54] <shtylman> ryanakca: now for the website ;)
[21:56] <ryanakca> shtylman: Yep, I finish my exams next Monday, then I'll be able to get through the website's TODO :)
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nice theme
[22:02] <shtylman> ryanakca: ooo looks forward to it...
[22:02] <ryanakca> If nobody seems to have any issues with it while they test it, it'll eventually get set as default :)
[22:02] <ryanakca> shtylman: ooo as in OO.o?
[22:03] <shtylman> ryanakca: ooo and in ooooooooo ahhhhhhh :)
[22:03] <ryanakca> Ah :)
[22:09] <yuriy> ryanakca: a bit buggy: in konq I get title underlines going across the table of contents
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> On https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ the only link out of Misson Development and Contributing I can click is Contributing
[22:17] <yuriy> ryanakca: the title at the top doesn't include slashes, and is redundant with the "you are here" line
[22:23] <Quintasan> ryanakca: great theme!
[22:25] <darlek2009> hello
[22:27]  * shtylman thinks http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__JNFVYfijS4/SjL5HmIhzFI/AAAAAAAAAoE/kCBkS84sy38/s1600-h/Atra+Dot+1920x1200.jpg should be the default wallpaper for karmic kubuntu...possibly after a color change...but I do like the green personally :)
[22:28] <neversfelde> Green would not be a good choice :D
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> nice wallpaper tho
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> that's one of the new ones for 4.3, come to think of it
[22:29]  * ScottK thinks shtylman should go engage upstream and get both artistic help and credit to Kubuntu for trying to support this new branding initiative.
[22:30]  * ScottK also thinks it has to be blue.
[22:30] <shtylman> ScottK: talking to them right now ... (did express my desire for blue)
[22:30] <ScottK> shtylman: Excellent.
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> Currently the weather wallpaper uses colorado farm for both cloudy and partly cloudy (blue sun is used for very cloudy)
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> What would you guys think to using this wallpaper for partly cloudy? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/Evening/contents/
[22:37] <darlek2009> new to kubuntu group and irc, hope this is private query. may I ask a question?
[22:37] <neversfelde> why can't I open this picture?
[22:39] <neversfelde> darlek2009: don't ask to ask, aks :)
[22:39] <neversfelde> if it is a support question you should probably go to #kubuntu
[22:40] <darlek2009> thank you, neversfelde, I will go to kubuntu.
[22:41] <DaskreeCH> ha ha
[22:56] <ryanakca> Quintasan: thanks :)
[22:57] <ryanakca> yuriy: Mind filing a bug under the kubuntu-website project so that I don't forget please?
[23:06] <Riddell> ScottK: where  is this Ayatana integration spec?
[23:34] <Riddell> _Sime: ping
[23:35] <Riddell> _Sime: how you would fancy doing a tutorial for Kubuntu tutorials day?
[23:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: Should I call for testing (new wiki theme) on the Planet?
[23:44] <yuriy> ryanakca: bugs filed
[23:46] <ryanakca> yuriy: Thanks
[23:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: go for it
[23:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: looking good to me though