[12:56] <eilker_> i get this error, when i am trying for ssh to virtual server // Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)
[12:57] <waylandbill> eilker_: are you using the correct username?
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> bbiab
[12:59] <epimeth> I tried downloading the jigdo version of feisty beta, but I'm missing 4 packages!  so I tried again thinking "they must have been updated"... but the same ones aren't downloading.  anyone else attempt/succeed a jigdo download?
[12:59] <andhy> hi - im looking for small help - after upgrade from kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04b i have no sound - is anybody know sth about why it happens ?
[12:59] <eilker_> waylandbill> yes
[01:00] <hsystem-x_> anyone that know the ubuntu irc channel?
[01:00] <epimeth> #ubuntu
[01:00] <abortd_> #ubuntu ?
[01:00] <abortd_> .....
[01:00] <hsystem-x_> i think the same but...
[01:01] <AmyRose> But this one is better, hsystem-x!
[01:01] <hsystem-x_> jaja lol
[01:01] <c1|freaky> can i install ubuntu-desktop when i have kubuntu-desktop installed without problems?
[01:01] <AbortD> raffytaffy: !!!!
[01:02] <AbortD> i should probable download super karamba now
[01:02] <eilker_> i get this error, when i am trying for ssh to virtual server // Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) any idea ?
[01:04] <AmyRose> Is that a fence or a nick, ioioioi ?
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> and the crowds went silent
[01:04] <waylandbill> :-S
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> ioioioi is a gate
[01:04] <AmyRose> Ah.
[01:04] <AmyRose> But we don't need Gates. ;P
[01:04] <AbortD> gate?
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> amen
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:04] <hsystem-x_> gates need us ^^.
[01:04] <waylandbill> ioiioi would be more of a gate I'd think
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> "In an Open society, who needs Gates and Windows?" <-- can't remember where i saw that
[01:05] <AbortD> thats what im saying
[01:05] <AmyRose> I hated being compared to Bill Gates. Just because I have Asperger's and am into computers doesn't mean I want to screw people over with crappy software.
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> or no actually, AmyRose, it -does- look like a fence
[01:05] <waylandbill> ins-dragonclaw: sounds like a good tshirt saying. :-)
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> waylandbill: Don't give me ideas ;)
[01:05] <AmyRose> I remember seeing it on humorix.org
[01:05] <LegolasV> I prefer the airconditioning quote
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> someone used it as a forum sig, i think
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> which is?
[01:06] <AmyRose> Probably on /.
[01:06] <waylandbill> ins-dragonclaw: I may make one. I already have one that says "I don't do Windows" and another "NO! I won't fix your computer"
[01:06] <LegolasV> Computers are like airconditioners, as soon as you open Windows they stop working
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> amen to the second
[01:06] <AmyRose> Oh, I would LOVE a shirt like that!
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm unofficial tech support to a technically inept family :S
[01:07] <AmyRose> I weaseled my way out by scaring people with my Linux knowledge. Don't know how that worked out, but I'm glad it did
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> lol.
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> but come on, lets be fair - Windows -does- get some stuff right
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> like causing aneurysms and ulcers
[01:07] <AmyRose> lol
[01:07] <waylandbill> tell them if they have linux, you'll fix it otherwise you don't know enough and will mess it up. :)
[01:07] <AbortD> when you live in an open society who needs gates and windows
[01:07] <AbortD> im seeing that on ubuntu forums
[01:07] <AbortD> as a quote
[01:08] <AmyRose> waylandbill, I think that's how I got them to leave me alone ;P
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:08] <waylandbill> regardless if you're a windows guru or not. :-D
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> how -can- you be a windows guru?
[01:08] <jack__> where do i find that simiilar task windows (minimized) are arranged together?like three opera windows appear as one in the kicker bar with a little three?
[01:08] <epimeth> has *anyone* used jigdo?
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> there's nothing to fix, change or improve
[01:08] <AmyRose> I know barely anything about maintaining Windows anymore. I haven't used it in 3 years, so I've forgotten almost everything I used to know
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> jack__: Use tabbed browsing
[01:09] <waylandbill> epimeth: long time ago to get debian dvd
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> no need for taskbar windows :)
[01:09] <andhy> hi - im looking for small help - after upgrade from kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04b i have no sound - any suggestion ?
[01:09] <LegolasV> jack__: sometimes my KDE does it all out of itself, although I have no idea how...
[01:09] <epimeth> grrr
[01:09] <epimeth> 4 packages aren't being found
[01:09] <ins-dragonclaw> isn't feisty supposed to be unstable?
[01:09] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: is that in kcontrol? how do i configure that?
[01:10] <waylandbill> andhy: look at the dmesg for problems or missing devices, look for /dev/dsp. etc.etc.
[01:10] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: no... it's beta now :-)
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> okay - you want multiple windows to group on the taskbar, right?
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> but is beta better?
[01:10] <andhy> waylandbill: thx
[01:10] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: yep, unless u got a better suggestion?
[01:10] <LegolasV> epimeth: beta isn't stable ;) but it feels pretty stable :)
[01:11] <waylandbill> jack__: that's the normal behaviour. one sec and I'll locate the setting in kcontrol
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> right click on the taskbar -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> "Group similar Tasks"
[01:11] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: better than unstable!  but still not stable... I call it "stablish"
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> then choose "Always:
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> epimeth: That's why mu lucky number is 6.10 :)
[01:11] <waylandbill> with the beta, I had to set the cpu from 'dynamic' to 'performance' or I was losing typed keys.
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> my*
[01:12] <jack__> ok thx waylandbill, couldnt was lloking in the desktops
[01:12] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: what about the tabbed browsing?
[01:12] <epimeth> ins-dragonclaw: I feel your lucky numbers for next month will be....
[01:12] <epimeth> 7 0 4
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> my isp proxy
[01:13] <waylandbill> jack__: it's actually right-click the taskbar panel, configure panel and then go to the taskbar page.
 right click on the taskbar -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> "Group similar Tasks"
[01:13] <epimeth> sooo nobody knows why the jigdo file is incorrecty?
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> waylandbill: said and done
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:13] <epimeth> and how I might fix it?
[01:13] <epimeth> all I need are 4 packages :-(
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jack__: I use Konqueror for everything
[01:13] <waylandbill> jack__: or Kcontrol, Desktop, Taskbar is the other place to set it.
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> web and file browsing
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> then I fullscreen it to a single desktop
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> makes it much easier for me :)
[01:14] <waylandbill> epimeth: manually download the packages from some other source and add to the jigdo output.
[01:14] <AmyRose> ins-dragonclaw, I love Konqueror as a browser. It looks so much better than Firefox
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> amen
[01:14] <AmyRose> Why can't Firefox use your theme for the controls?
[01:14] <jack__> ins-dragonclaw: i did that like that but the delicious feature for konq is so limited so i use firefox now oftener
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> I opened one of my favorite sites the other day
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> -ALL- the ads were gone...
[01:15] <waylandbill> konqueror is nice. I wish it would use all of the extentions that firefox supports though.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> now that's what I call ad-blocking:)
[01:16] <LegolasV> adblocking has problems, it was kind of frustrating when I had to add Google ads to a website...
[01:16] <epimeth> waylandbill: how do I do that?
[01:17] <waylandbill> figure out the names of the packages you need and maybe download them from an apt source but with wget, not apt-get
[01:18] <epimeth> waylandbill: and pit them where?
[01:18] <epimeth> the temp folder?
[01:20] <waylandbill> epimeth: I don't recall where jigdo stores the files. wherever it's downloading to maybe. I think you can examine the list it has for the files and maybe get it to find them somewhere else. don't know. It's been way too long since I've used jigdo.
[01:21] <epimeth> waylandbill: I'll give it a shot
[01:22] <PF-Away> how does adept handle changed configuration files?
[01:24] <LegolasV> When I upgraded to feisty it asked a couple of times if I wanted to replace my config files and showed me a diff, if that's what you mean
[01:24] <PF-Away> the reason i ask, is because adept_updater crapped out, and when i upgraded in aptitude, it was a changed config file
[01:24] <waylandbill> I've never dist-upgraded with adept. aptitude is my tool of choice
[01:25] <PF-Away> well, i was already on feisty
[01:25] <waylandbill> aptitude handles issues nicely. :)
[01:26] <AmyRose> Synaptic is better than Adept. By far.
[01:26] <AbortD> yes it is
[01:26] <PF-Away> AmyRose: but it's a gnome app...*shrug*
[01:26] <AmyRose> PF-Away, I also use Gaim and XChat
[01:27] <AmyRose> :o
[01:27] <AbortD> u run ubuntu and not kubuntu right AmyRose?
[01:27] <drbreen> hello. i have a problem: i have kubuntu w/ ltsp and a few thin clients. they boot; but i cannot log in to any one of them. "ltsp-update-sshkeys" which was suggested in a forum thread, does not fix that.
[01:27] <PF-Away> I would rather spend a weekend improving Adept, than use synaptic
[01:27] <AmyRose> WRONG, AbortD.
[01:27] <AbortD> oh hm
[01:27] <AbortD> i thought i versioned u and it said something about ubuntu
[01:27] <AmyRose> I love my KDE better than GNOME.
[01:27] <AbortD> i like gnomes top and bottom bar thats it
[01:28] <PF-Away> AmyRose: have you tried konversation?
[01:28] <yknott> lol in the kubunt channel no less
[01:28] <AmyRose> AmyRose, yes, and its help sucks
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <AmyRose> darn
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose: is talking to herself Oo
[01:28] <AbortD> she is talking to her self!
[01:28] <AmyRose> I hate it when I talk to myself like that
[01:28] <PF-Away> you talking to yourself again?
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> rofl....
[01:28] <PF-Away> the big men in white coats are on their way
[01:28] <AmyRose> Oh, shoot.
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> with big syringes
[01:28] <AmyRose> ;P
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> great
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> unofficial linux tech support people talk to themselves online
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> we're doomed...
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> :p
[01:29] <AmyRose> AbortD, the "Ubuntu" is probably because I'm running XChat
[01:29] <AbortD> lol
[01:29] <PF-Away> :P
[01:29] <AbortD> oh
[01:29] <AmyRose> I'm going to CTCP version myself
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> PF-Away has an interesting /ctcp version readout
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> [CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from AmyRose: xchat 2.8.0 Ubuntu
[01:29] <AbortD> do they make utorrent for linux?
[01:30] <LegolasV> I prefer my ctcp version reply :)
[01:30] <yknott> no, through wine
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> 1.3.37
[01:30] <AbortD> heh
[01:30] <AmyRose> I can take a screen shot to prove I'm using KDE
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :D
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> so can i
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:30] <adaptr> AmyRose: actually, you can't
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> K Menu says it all
[01:30] <AmyRose> adaptr, WTF?
[01:31] <Contrast83> What's up, everyone?
[01:31] <adaptr> I can't run K mennu from Gnome ?
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Kubuntu has KTorrent
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> adaptr: no
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Kde Menu is not Gnome
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> at all
[01:31] <AmyRose> adaptr is not making any sense...
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> Ubuntu has bittorrent.tracker or something
[01:31] <adaptr> ins-dragonclaw: and I can't run it because...
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> but you're running kubuntu
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> so where did this whole argument come from?
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> i'm scaring them away...
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[01:32] <AbortD> what arguement?
[01:32] <PF-Away> gnome suxx0rzw00tw00tw00t!11
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> errrr
[01:32] <AbortD> argument
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> PF-Away:
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> we're sending the white coats for you next
[01:32] <raffytaffy> nvm resolved it
[01:32] <Contrast83> Does anyone know whether a bug report has been filed for the "small text in newly opened programs after changing color scheme" glitch, or does anyone else even experience this problem?
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> GNOME is lighter on resources
[01:32] <AmyRose> Face it. KDE is great, but some of its apps really suck compared to their GNOME counterparts. Kopete and Krita are pathetic compared to Gaim and the GIMP
[01:32] <PF-Away> they're here already
[01:32] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: it is so _not_
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> Gaim is a joke
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> not my line, someone else;s
[01:33] <drbreen> gajim is very cool
[01:33] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: gnome is the heaviest of the de's
[01:33] <AbortD> i hate kopete
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> lol ok
[01:33] <PF-Away> <3 kopete
[01:33] <LegolasV> One reason for KDE above Gnome, the IRC channel of Kubuntu is way cooler :)
[01:33] <AmyRose> I use Kopete only for webcamming with my best friend on Yahoo.
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> yet the liveCD loads faster for ubuntu than kubuntu
[01:33] <Contrast83> Can you join Yahoo chat rooms in Kopete?
[01:33] <PF-Away> gaim looks like donkey poo, imho
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: I think so
[01:33] <waylandbill> actually when using straight kde apps under kde, it uses less resources than gtk apps under gnome on average.
[01:33] <ins-dragonclaw> If yahoo uses Jabber
[01:33] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: that has nothing to do with who is lighter
[01:34] <PF-Away> a tiny bit, but not much
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> *shrug*
[01:34] <AmyRose> Have you installed QtCurve? It makes KDE and GTK apps look great, and the same
[01:34] <PF-Away> ins-dragonclaw: kde wins more or less every comparison of "weight"
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> I have kubuntu. I love kubuntu. That's all that matters ^^
[01:34] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: I wasn't able to figure out how, and even in GAIM, it looks like you can only join them if you know the exact name of the room you wish to join.
[01:34] <PF-Away> i use polyester
[01:34] <AmyRose> It even makes menus highlight in GTK apps when you point at them
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> wait - yahoo has chatrooms?
[01:34] <Contrast83> QTCurve - Best style EVER. :-D
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> then they use jabber
[01:34] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- Keramik
[01:34] <alanhaggai> Plastik
[01:34] <AmyRose> Keramik?! Man, that one is hard on my eyes
[01:35] <AbortD> ins-dragonclaw: ...... u didnt know yahoo had chatrooms?...???...
[01:35] <PF-Away> Polyester ftw
[01:35] <ins-dragonclaw> i haven't used yahoo for 4 years
[01:35] <ins-dragonclaw> but since google did it first, other email services are bound to copy
[01:35] <AbortD> 4 years ago they did too!
[01:35] <AmyRose> Polyester is great, but I wish it looked better on GTK apps
[01:35] <PF-Away> AmyRose: i hardly use any GTK apps, so it's ok
[01:36] <Contrast83> So umm... No one gets small text in newly opened programs after they change anything in their color scheme?
[01:36] <PF-Away> Inkscape doesn't look too bad
[01:36] <yknott> sure and now msn messenger users can chat directly with yahoo messenger users
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: I don't
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> yay. the legacy IMs co-operate
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> at last
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> still got lightyears to go
[01:36] <yknott> ins-dragonclaw: no doubt
[01:36] <AmyRose> Who cares? Just load 'em all up in Kopete or Gaim!
[01:36] <AmyRose> ;P
[01:36] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:36] <AmyRose> That's what I do
[01:36] <LegolasV> GAIM doesn't support custom emoticons =(
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> My Kopete can talk to MSN, but I haven't found a working ICQ gateway yet... :/
[01:37] <PF-Away> Kopete does;)
[01:37] <LegolasV> only displaying not sending
[01:37] <LegolasV> (same for GAIM)
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> now that's another story
[01:37] <AmyRose> amsn has working custom smiley support
[01:37] <LegolasV> I use aMSN ;)
[01:37] <LegolasV> but it's kinda buggy sometimes :P
[01:37] <AbortD> i wish i could get my old icq# back :(
[01:37] <ins-dragonclaw> I rarely smile over IM anyway.
[01:37] <AmyRose> I use that when I feel like being cute
[01:37] <Contrast83> WTF... I've had that problem on five different systems, three with both Edgy and Feisty, and I've yet to find anyone else who's seen it.
[01:38] <yknott> lol AbortD where has it gone?
[01:38] <ins-dragonclaw> Contrast83: probably your graphics setup then
[01:38] <AbortD> i forgot the password
[01:38] <AmyRose> I have never had that problem, Contrast83
[01:38] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: On clean installs?
[01:38] <yknott> password recovery through icq.com ?
[01:38] <AbortD> didnt have a email addy set to it
[01:38] <ins-dragonclaw> hell, I'm 4 days into linux. AmyRose here is 3 years - talk to her!
[01:38] <yknott> AbortD:  ah ha
[01:38] <Contrast83> ins-dragonclaw: Thanks anyway. :-)
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:39] <yknott> i still have one of my first, 6 digits in the account number
[01:39] <LegolasV> AmyRose: is that KDE 4?
[01:39] <Contrast83> So umm... AmyRose, have you ever heard of the problem I mentioned?
[01:39] <AmyRose> LegolasV, I meant stable KDE, which is 3.5.6
[01:39] <AbortD> yknott: mine wasa 8 digit 19750749
[01:39] <tmbg_> I figured out a while back that I hated icq and it was pointless.
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:39] <AmyRose> I don't like using beta code for something as important as a DE
[01:39] <tmbg_> especially since yahoo started doing everything that icq could.
[01:39] <LegolasV> AmyRose: okay, I already run 3.5.6 :)
[01:39] <Contrast83> Does KDE4 include QT4?
[01:40] <AmyRose> Contrast83, no, I've never seen that problem you had
[01:40] <PF-Away> Contrast83: KDE 4 i built on Qt 4
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> I have 3 ICQ numbers that I've all but forgotten
[01:40] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Ok, thanks.
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> MXIT serves me better when it comes to IM
[01:40] <tmbg_> I haven't used icq or cared to in  years.
[01:40] <AbortD> icq used to have it where u could host yer own webpage or some shit some how
[01:40] <AmyRose> Contrast83, what are you thanking me for? I haven't done anything. :(
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> since I can take it anywhere :)
[01:40] <ins-dragonclaw> lol AmyRose
[01:40] <AbortD> mxit?
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> you helped him cross you off his list of people to ask for help
[01:41] <AmyRose> Ah
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> MXit. local south african IM mobile service
[01:41] <Contrast83> AmyRose: For making me think it's probably something I'm doing wrong. ;-)
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:41] <AbortD> take it anywhere?
[01:41] <LegolasV> is ICQ integrated with AIM (as GAIM pretends to say, or as I pretend to think GAIM means) because in that case I have it :D
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> it's on a cellphone
[01:41] <Contrast83> What that could be, I have no effin' idea.
[01:41] <untouch> hi i have a problem i updated my dapper to edgy (changed dapper do edgy in sources list,read in the new sources list, then apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and now my kubuntu wont boot anymore (x-server dosnt starsts)
[01:41] <yknott> for me, for any of the legacy IM, just use those accounts (through gaim or kopete, or wengo through libgaim) to type with people still using those
[01:41] <raffytaffy> my cable company refuses to give mt their MTU
[01:41] <raffytaffy> what can i do
[01:41] <AmyRose> Contrast83, is it a major problem? If not, I wouldn't worry about it
[01:41] <AbortD> oh
[01:41] <yknott> untouch: change dapper to edgy, the dist-upgrade, right?
[01:42] <Contrast83> AmyRose: It's vary tedious having to log out and back in whenever I change the color scheme.
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> Java MIDP2.0 app - talks to a custom jabber server run by MXit Lifestyle
[01:42] <LegolasV> shouldn't you dist-upgrade two times for an upgrade to edgy?
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> 2 million users in SA alone :)
[01:42] <AmyRose> Contrast83, do you change your colors every hour or what? ;P
[01:42] <AbortD> SA?
[01:42] <AmyRose> I rarely change the color scheme
[01:43] <untouch> yknott: changed dapper do edgy (the 6.10 dont know the right name think it was edgy) then i did a apt-get upgrade after this apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:43] <Contrast83> No, but when I'm making a new one, and making sure I'm getting everything just right, I find myself having to log out and back in several times before it looks just right.
[01:43] <LegolasV> I have changed the default color scheme to use the yellow-orangy color of BeOS on the titlebars, Gotta love orange :)
[01:44] <untouch> yknott: any idea ?
[01:44] <AbortD> ubuntu has such a great soundboost over windows
[01:44] <yknott> well start with the X log
[01:44] <yknott> or some such
[01:44] <yknott> AbortD: soundboost?
[01:44] <AbortD> i dunno
[01:44] <untouch> /var/log/xorg.log ?
[01:44] <AbortD> but its louder
[01:44] <Contrast83> And it IS a glitch. I don't think "if it's not a major problem, don't worry about it" is a viable solution. :-)
[01:44] <AbortD> i got crappy speakers for like a walkman
[01:45] <AbortD> no volume knob nothing
[01:45] <AmyRose> Contrast83, I just thought of something.
[01:45] <yknott> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:45] <AbortD> i c an barely hear them in windows
[01:45] <untouch> okay but i cant post it
[01:45] <Contrast83> AmyRose: ?
[01:45] <untouch> im in irssi
[01:45] <LegolasV> actually, I have a question: my locale gives for the short date dd-mm-yy, but I want dd-mm-yyyy. Can I change this?
[01:45] <yknott> untouch:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:45] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Did you try forcing the DPI in the KDE font settings?
[01:45] <AbortD> !pastebin
[01:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:45] <AbortD> pft
[01:46] <untouch> yknott cant im online in irc with irssi from the broken pc
[01:46] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Haven't messed with it. It's currently unchecked. Should I try checking it?
[01:46] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Yes. It sometimes fixes font sizing problems.
[01:46] <yknott> o
[01:46] <Contrast83> AmyRose: Are there ever any reasons it shouldn't be checked?
[01:46] <yknott> how about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:47] <untouch> i try
[01:47] <AmyRose> Contrast83, Yes. If you set it by editing the X server command line in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, you should definitely have it unchecked there. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
[01:48] <untouch> yknott: i come back if it works and if not im comming back to *g*
[01:49] <LegolasV> Or is it possible to have the region settings in KControl act global for the system and not just the KDE apps
[01:50] <AmyRose> I've been curious--what is the best KDE-based IRC client?
[01:50] <AbortD> kbounce is great
[01:50] <Contrast83> AmyRose: I just checked it and changed the color scheme, and new apps still have tiny fonts.  I know that for sure.
[01:51] <Contrast83> How's GAIM as an IRC client? I know it has the ability, but haven't tried it yet. (Just intalled GAIM a few days ago)
[01:51] <AbortD> i use konversation
[01:51] <tmbg_> I don't like any of those all in one clients for irc, like gaim.
[01:51] <PF-Away> AmyRose: use Konvi, ffs;)
[01:51] <LegolasV> why not Konversation? (Or if you really really want KVIRC, but I wouldn't)
[01:51] <tmbg_> they're pretty annoying.
[01:51] <AmyRose> Gaim is great, except it doesn't have /ban and /unban
[01:51] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> how can i disable xorg-air
[01:51] <chijin> irssi is the best
[01:52] <PF-Away> AmyRose: you have bots for kb'ing;)
[01:52] <tmbg_> the only thing that I've ever really been happy with in a graphical client is xchat.
[01:52] <PF-Away> ~kb PF-Away
[01:52] <AmyRose> PF-Away, kb'ing?
[01:52] <PF-Away> kickbanning
[01:52] <AbortD> i wish i could /ban AmyRose
[01:52] <AmyRose> WTF?
[01:52] <AbortD> haha im kidding
[01:52] <PF-Away> !kb AmyRose
[01:52] <PF-Away> :D
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kb amyrose - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <AbortD> :P
[01:52] <AbortD> lol
[01:52] <Contrast83> lol
[01:52] <PF-Away> lol
[01:52] <AmyRose> Well, I run an IRC channel and need to be able to do my job.
[01:53] <LegolasV> !locale | LegolasV
[01:53] <tmbg_> !thelesbian amyrose
[01:53] <AmyRose> I'm asexual, not lesbian, not straight, and definitely not bi.
[01:53] <tmbg_> he's supposed to say he doesn't know anything about the lesbian. oh well
[01:53] <LegolasV> this is the point where I'm not sure if this is a support channel
[01:53] <AbortD> when a lesbian gives u a hug it makes u feel good for some reason
[01:53] <AbortD> i feel u on that AmyRose
[01:54] <AmyRose> Hence my quote about "baseball" earlier
[01:54] <tmbg_> LegolasV, no channel stays on topic all the time
[01:54] <tmbg_> if they did it would be annoying as hell
[01:54] <Contrast83> AbortD: I always wondered if that was just me.
[01:54] <AbortD> what was? the lesbian hugs?
[01:54] <LegolasV> I know, that's why I like IRC :)
[01:54] <Contrast83> Right.
[01:54] <AmyRose> Anyone who hits on me is going to be slapped with a trout.   :D
[01:56] <AbortD> haha
[01:56] <LegolasV> xorg-air? sounds like the vista theme? :|
[01:56] <PF-Away> AmyRose: a good combination
[01:56] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> t does not boot
[01:56] <PF-Away> ?
[01:56] <yknott> !xserver-xorg-air-core
[01:56] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> xorg server for beryl
[01:56] <tmbg_> the gays I know are all programmers for some reason
[01:56] <tmbg_> not sure what OS they use though
[01:56] <AmyRose> PF-Away, I'm also fluent in sign language, though I'm hearing
[01:56] <AbortD> hm a deaf lesbian
[01:57] <PF-Away> AmyRose: cool, i also know a deaf guy, but he recently got some implants that helps a lot
[01:57] <PF-Away> he's not gay, btw
[01:57] <PF-Away> rather the opposite
[01:57] <AbortD> haha
[01:57] <AmyRose> PF-Away, most of my deaf friends are straight, and one is also asexual
[01:57] <tmbg_> I always wondered what a deaf person orgasm sounds like.
[01:57] <tmbg_> because they have no idea what THEY sound like.
[01:57] <tmbg_> so I wonder if they just go nuts
[01:57] <yknott> xserver-xorg-air-core    support for accelerated indirect 3d, allowing clients that cannot connect directly take take advantage of hardware accel
[01:57] <AbortD> hahahaha
[01:57] <PF-Away> tmbg_: :S
[01:58] <LegolasV> just wondering: does this channel have a QDB?
[01:58] <AbortD> oh man
[01:58] <AbortD> QDB?
[01:58] <PF-Away> this is cool: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1575415,00.asp
[01:58] <tmbg_> quote database
[01:58] <PF-Away> quote db
[01:58] <PF-Away> ?
[01:58] <AbortD> i want a good eggdrop :|
[01:58] <LegolasV> yes, like bash.org, qdb.us, www.legolasweb.nl/phiapdc/
[01:58] <AmyRose> Most deaf people are forced to speak and lipread, and this is emphasized over the more obvious benefit: literacy.
[01:58] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> my graphics drivers doesn't loaded
[01:58] <hyper_ch> LegolasV: why should it?
[01:59] <tmbg_> AmyRose, I'm all for more people learning to sign.
[01:59] <SpY_Sc0rPi0> located /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so
[01:59] <AmyRose> tmbg_, me too. I also think literacy should be the focus of deaf education, rather than speech.
[01:59] <tmbg_> I like the notion that it has the potential for being a nearly universal language.
[01:59] <AmyRose> tmbg_, That's the most common....myth about signing
[01:59] <LegolasV> hyper_ch: just wondering
[01:59] <yknott> PF-Away:  article from 2003?
[02:00] <tmbg_> AmyRose, you see where I'm coming from.
[02:00] <hyper_ch> LegolasV: as this is a support channel why should it be here?
[02:00] <AmyRose> tmbg_, American Sign Language and British Sign Language are TOTALLY different.
[02:00] <AbortD> i think lip reading should be the focus
[02:00] <untouch> yknott: so x ist up again but when i change the settigs to my old one (monitor & resolution) same problem
[02:00] <tmbg_> AmyRose, is there really a reason for them to be though?
[02:00] <AmyRose> I disagree, AbortD. Have you ever tried to lipread?
[02:00] <tmbg_> lipreading is too damn hard and error prone
[02:00] <AbortD> no but i dont want to have to learn sign language if im not deaf
[02:01] <AmyRose> AbortD, you can WRITE IT DOWN!
[02:01] <AbortD> so if they want to know what im saying so bad read my lips :P
[02:01] <yknott> untouch: and without any way to view the log?
[02:01] <AbortD> i hate writing
[02:01] <AmyRose> Deaf people can read text, you know
[02:01] <tmbg_> that's what I did with my deaf friends, write a lot of notes.
[02:01] <tmbg_> I don't know much sign language
[02:01] <tmbg_> I hate writing though, since I've learned how to type
[02:01] <AmyRose> tmbg_, if you're in North America, you can go to www.aslpro.com and learn :D
[02:01] <AbortD> they should make a voice to text palm pilot for them
[02:02] <untouch> yknott: now i can look into the log ;)
[02:02] <AbortD> OVER 7000 SIGNS?!
[02:02] <tmbg_> AmyRose, if I weren't already involved in learning cisco, go, and dvorak, I'd take you up on it.
[02:02] <LegolasV> hyper_ch: never said there should be one, but because mozilla has one too and those are also more or less support channels
[02:02] <tmbg_> the deaf friends have moved on anyway.
[02:02] <AmyRose> tmbg_, you can still just type to deaf people on the Internet ;)
[02:02] <tmbg_> yeah she used her blackberry a lot
[02:02] <AmyRose> AbortD, we're not using our voices now, are we?
[02:02] <tmbg_> and I would talk to them on the internet
[02:03] <tmbg_> but in person was awkward
[02:03] <tmbg_> like at a restaraunt or something asking the waiter for pens and paper
[02:03] <untouch> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php yknott
[02:03] <AmyRose> Well, deaf people actually don't mind people typing or writing to them, because it's presented visually
[02:03] <untouch> no omg
[02:03] <untouch> damn crappy -.-
[02:03] <tmbg_> you've never met a blackberry ninja by the way until you meet a deaf blackberry ninja
[02:04] <AbortD> i like the one for abort
[02:04] <tmbg_> just takes so long to write stuff
[02:04] <tmbg_> vs them signing their ass off
[02:04] <AmyRose> tmbg_, That's why I learned ^^
[02:04] <AmyRose> It was the most fun language I've ever learned
[02:04] <none0> hello
[02:04] <untouch> yknott: http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1855 this one
[02:04] <AmyRose> And I'm going into special education, so I'm very likely to be hired ^^
[02:04] <tmbg_> I know a handful of signs but not enough to carry on a conversation.
[02:05] <tmbg_> cool.
[02:05] <Betzefer> any 1 know ppp0 connections ?
[02:05] <tmbg_> AmyRose, ever seen a deaf couple argue?
[02:05] <AmyRose> tmbg_, Yes.
[02:05] <tmbg_> it's funny. one will try to ignore the other.
[02:06] <tmbg_> so they'll run around so the person has to see them. heh
[02:06] <untouch> any idea ?
[02:06] <AmyRose> Yup.
[02:06] <AmyRose> Even if only one of them is hearing, it's still hilarious
[02:06] <AmyRose> Especially if the deaf person can speak
[02:06] <AbortD> hm
[02:07] <AmyRose> Netsplit?
[02:07] <triamcg> what was that?
[02:07] <tmbg_> you think?
[02:07] <AbortD> a powerful one at that haha
[02:07] <AmyRose> Looked like a Netsplit
[02:07] <AbortD> it was
[02:07] <yknott> untouch:  grab another screen, tty2, for example; ctrl alt f2;   there less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:07] <tmbg_> it was a shame about the deaf girl I knew. completely lost her hearing from a disease as a child.
[02:07] <untouch> yknott: http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=1855 this one
[02:07] <tmbg_> but she had a beautiful voice, only she was shy about it because she didn't know what she sounded like.
[02:08] <yknott> untouch:  ok, looking
[02:08] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I had fights with a deaf person... it wasn't pretty.  Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:09] <AmyRose> AbortD, this deaf person is hated by 100% of my remaining deaf friends
[02:09] <AbortD> oh
[02:09] <AbortD> thats no good
[02:09] <Betzefer> can some one help me ?
[02:09] <Betzefer> who knows ppp0 connections
[02:09] <AmyRose> Betzefer, What do you need?
[02:09] <AmyRose> Oh
[02:09] <yknott> untouch:  to which resolution were you setting it?
[02:09] <Betzefer> u know ppp0 connections
[02:09] <AmyRose> Can't say I know how
[02:09] <Betzefer> ?
[02:09] <AbortD> what is ppp0?
[02:09] <Betzefer> adsl connection
[02:10] <Betzefer> DSL
[02:10] <yknott> AbortD: certainly not eth0!
[02:10] <AmyRose> *autojoin
[02:10] <tmbg_> AmyRose, the sad bit was that the guy she was with was great for her, but she left him because she wanted a baby. wound up having one later w/ an ex-con.
[02:10] <untouch> yknott: at the moment at 1024x768
[02:10] <untouch> yknott: but normaly 1280x1024
[02:10] <AbortD> with a xcon?.....
[02:10] <yknott> untouch: according to the log your monitor is a benq capable of 1024x768 max
[02:11] <Betzefer> no one knows ?
[02:11] <untouch> no it isnt
[02:11] <untouch> fp 767 17" monitor (1280x1024) -- max
[02:11] <AbortD> i wonder what my max is
[02:12] <yknott> ;) all the further i get, for now
[02:12] <yknott> untouch: sorry
[02:12] <AbortD> mines 1280x1024
[02:12] <untouch> yknott: u mean u dont know why it dosnt works right ?
[02:13] <Xantios> i just joined to tell you all that kubuntu is installing here very nice and smooth :) i have a good hope :)
[02:14] <sonoftheclayr> Xantios: welcome to Kubuntu, I hope you enjoy it
[02:14] <Xantios> thnx sonoftheclayr :)
[02:14] <AbortD> isnt kbattleship internet accessable?
[02:15] <yknott> untouch: well the log here says the monitor's max is 1024x768, so i guess you need to manually set the size and sync values
[02:16] <untouch> yknott: i think the monitor file is broken ... now it works with "generic flat (1280x1024)
[02:19] <none0> is 7.04 beta stable enough for a desktop?
[02:19] <chijin> i'm running 7.04 and i havent had any problems
[02:19] <chijin> on my desktop
[02:19] <chijin> so yes, i think it's stable enough
[02:20] <none0> kubuntu is about 3 weeks away from release, isn't it?
[02:21] <Skrot> April 19th
[02:21] <none0> ok
[02:21] <none0> chijin: do you also happen to run kde4?
[02:21] <chijin> none0: nope
[02:22] <Skrot> Don't use KDE4 unless you're a developer/really curious yet :>
[02:22] <polly1> Any suggestions for input/output errors while burning a dvd?
[02:22] <Tm_T> none0: chijin: I recommend to wait release unless you're ready to hunt bugs
[02:22] <Tm_T> Skrot: agreed, there's not much to see for users yet
[02:23] <chijin> i just saw the kde4 release schedule, and i think i'm going to wait
[02:23] <Skrot> unless you really enjoy a bunch of polished core libs :p
[02:23] <chijin> the final release is not coming out until october iirc
[02:23] <polly1> I see alot of updates today for kubuntu.
[02:23] <vicks> hi, my kubutnu feisty hangs on bootup while staarting bluetooth. it can't shut down bluetooth either, so i cantt upgrade the packages. is there a way to upgrade a package without having to shut down the process?
[02:23] <Tm_T> polly1: in where?
[02:23] <polly1> Tm_T: Adept.
[02:24] <Tm_T> polly1: I mean, updates in 6.10 ?
[02:24] <polly1> Tm_T: Oh... Sorry.  I have feisty installed.
[02:24] <Tm_T> vicks: #ubuntu+1 for Feisty help
[02:24] <Tm_T> polly1: hmm, I thought there was updates yesterday
[02:24] <Tm_T> yup, yesterday
[02:25] <polly1> Tm_T: I only noticed a few updates yesterday.
[02:25] <polly1> Tm_T: Its installing 85 upgrades right now.
[02:25] <Tm_T> no upgrades for me whatsoever
[02:26] <polly1> Tm_T: Where in the world are you located?
[02:26] <andhy> waylandbill: ok - i found the reason of sound problems after upgrade to feisty ... kernel of course ;)
[02:27] <polly1> Tm_T: Does it matter?  Does everyone point to the same repository?
[02:27] <Tm_T> polly1: well, I'm checking from main archive, so mirrors come later
[02:28] <polly1> Tm_T: It looks like alot of KDE packages at the moment.
[02:28] <Tm_T> polly1: usually local mirrors are some hours behind
[02:28] <Tm_T> polly1: yup, that's what happened here yesterday or so
[02:28] <polly1> Tm_T: I see.
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> 90 updates, guess i should check a little more often, huh?
[02:29] <polly1> Daisuke_Ido: You hit the lotto.
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> installed feisty 2 days ago, and haven't checked for updates since
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> need to get adept-updater running on startup again
[02:31] <polly1> When is the "official" release of feisty scheduled for?
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> sometime next month
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> don't know when exactly
[02:31] <Tm_T> 19.4.
[02:31] <chijin> i've had adept crash on me twice now
[02:32] <chijin> the upgrade tool crashed when i upgraded to feisty yesterday
[02:32] <polly1> Tm_T: Any idea of the progress so far?  Would they just be checking the updates for bugs at this point or are they still working?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> chijin: did it crash on cleanup?
[02:32] <Tm_T> chijin: did you check/report to launchpad?
[02:32] <chijin> but then i ran the dist-upgrade with aptitude and it went fine
[02:32] <drbreen> anyone uses kubuntu with LTSP ?!
[02:32] <drbreen> ANYONE ?!
[02:32] <chijin> i didn't report :-/
[02:32] <chijin> i think it crashed while setting up something
[02:32] <Tm_T> chijin: d'oh
[02:33] <cyt> !amsn
[02:33] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[02:33] <polly1> cyt: amsn doesn't look rigth on my screen.
[02:33] <Tm_T> polly1: progress is that now we hunt bugs and finalise features
[02:34] <polly1> Tm_T: Ok
[02:34] <cyt> polly1: I build amsn svn snapshot (0.97b maybe), and it looks great.
[02:35] <AbortD> gimp works good in kde right?
[02:35] <AbortD> its not a gnome app?
[02:35] <polly1> cyt: Maybe I'll have to try that.
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> err, it's gtk, but it runs fine in kde
[02:35] <cyt> polly1: But it cannot find the tcltls library :(
[02:35] <cyt> I am trying to figure it out.
[02:36] <polly1> cyt: I'm lost already. <grin>.
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> now, as far as the gimp *working*, that's purely subjective.  i'd personally rather be coated in honey and stuck in a cage with a rabid wolverine on pcp than use the gimp :)
[02:36] <polly1> cyt: I supose they are librarys you need to compile or run it?
[02:36] <AbortD> hm
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> oh great
[02:37] <polly1> BRB
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hit the lotto alright :(
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> kdm's broken now
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> well, the package
[02:39] <eduard> hello world, i have just install kubuntu 7.04, i am looking for an option to use my wireless card to connect to windowsXP laptop so XP can get connection from my kubuntu laptop and get internet connection, any ideas?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yet it seems to be upgrading the packages fine from the commandline
[02:39] <AmyRose> eduard, yes, set up routing
[02:40] <eduard> AmyRose, you still here :)) nice - i have lost all notes i made, need to reinstall from srcatch all sysytem
[02:40] <AmyRose> eduard, and I trust you have a crossover Ethernet cable or a switch/hub
[02:41] <saiko> e ai blz
[02:41] <saiko> ?
[02:41] <AmyRose> eduard, do you have the supplies I asked you about?
[02:41] <saiko> to  com um problema aki no adept
[02:42] <eduard> AmyRose i have only one cable connecting my kubuntu laptop with internet, i need share my conetction trough wireless card with XP laptop
[02:42] <untouch> i got a new problem after updating from dapper to edgy i hear no sounds anymore i have a Audigy 2 zs
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> !br > saiko
[02:43] <yeti> eduard: so your kubuntu laptop has direct internet connection? well then it's easy. echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and set your windows laptop's default gateway to your kubuntu laptop's IP
[02:44] <yeti> having said that, you do have a wireless access point and a working wireless card on your ubuntu laptop, right?
[02:46] <eduard> yeti first part is done, how XP will see my kubuntu? should be som kind of network vewable, isnt it?
[02:48] <horde> when I fullscreen a media player (vlc, kaffeine, mplayer) the sound pops/warbles.  un-fullscreening resolves the issue, but I'd obviously like to watch my movies fullscreened.  Anyone have any ideas?
[02:50] <horde> it's a practically new install of Edgy
[02:51] <eduard> AmyRose which programm you mensioned for XP i should install ?
[02:51] <AbortD> someone should play k battleship with me :P
[02:52] <joaquin_> hola
[02:52] <AmyRose> eduard, you're better off just using a router
[02:52] <eduard> joaquin_ hey! :)
[02:52] <joaquin_> alguien me puede echar una mano para configurar la grfica de mi portatil??
[02:52] <untouch> my sound dosnt works anymore any ideas ?
[02:53] <untouch> i have an audigy 2 zs
[02:53] <eduard> Joaquin is it you? solog....
[02:53] <joaquin_> hi edward
[02:53] <eduard> :)))))))))))))
[02:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[02:53] <joaquin_> I need some help
[02:53] <eduard> nice to see you here Joaquin
[02:53] <AmyRose> joaquin_, quin hech su tarjeta de vdeo?
[02:53] <joaquin_> thanks edward
[02:54] <BluesKaj> !es | AmyRose
[02:54] <ubotu> AmyRose: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:54] <yeti> eduard: you do not need to install any program for windows. is your wireless card set up correctly on your kubuntu box?
[02:54] <joaquin_> AmyRose tengo una ati en un portatil y kubuntu edgy 6.10, he instalado beryl pero  no me rula la aceleracin 3d y he intentado de todo, alguna idea???
[02:55] <joaquin_> ok I will try in english
[02:55] <eduard> yeti - it sees wireless networks
[02:55] <yeti> can you connect to your wireless network, i.e. your wireless network access point?
[02:55] <AmyRose> joaquin_, qu es el fabricante del tu tarjeta de video?
[02:56] <AmyRose> *de
[02:56] <joaquin_> AmyRose una ATI x1150
[02:56] <yeti> eduard: can you connect to your wireless network, i.e. your wireless  network access point
[02:56] <yeti> ?
[02:56] <frojnd> arh, can't play wmv even when I: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll && rm -r ~/.gstreamer-0.10/
[02:56] <AmyRose> Kubuntu no soporta tu tarjeta todava :(
[02:56] <joaquin_> ok gracias AmyRose
[02:56] <joaquin_> bye
[02:56] <AmyRose> Lo siento, joaquin_
[02:57] <eduard> yeti - i dont have my access point, just open networks
[02:57] <eduard> yeti - i dont have one
[02:57] <yeti> eduard: ah wait, what i've been trying to tell you will NOT work. you will need to set up NAT, that's quite more complex
[02:58] <eduard> i am patient :) yeti
[02:58] <yeti> eduard: uh, you don't have an access point? well then you need to fake one via hostap. i unfortunately have no experience with this... so here's what you need to do:
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: set up hostap on your kubuntu box. set up some sort of NAT on your kubuntu box. then set your kubuntu box as your standard gateway on windows XP (network conns -> wireless -> tcp-ip -> standard gateway)
[03:00] <eduard> yeti - to be able to see my "access point" from XP - i need to mount it first in kubuntu, right?
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: you have just told me you do not have an access point
[03:00] <yeti> eduard: so you will use your kubuntu laptop as an access point via hostap
[03:01] <yeti> eduard: then you connect your XP laptop to that access point
[03:01] <AmyRose> Setting up a computer as an access point is too complicated o.o
[03:01] <eduard> yeti i said - i will try, will let you know
[03:01] <yeti> eduard: this is all WAY more complex than it sounds, if you do not have sufficient experience you will need to use google a lot :)
[03:02] <yeti> AmyRose: well, if you have an easier suggestion, eduard will surely be eager to hear it :)
[03:03] <AmyRose> Yeah, buy an access point.
[03:03] <eduard> yeti - AmyRose :))
[03:03] <eduard> something like wingate? dosnt it exist for linux?
[03:04] <yeti> AmyRose: well, if he is willing to buy hardware, he shouldn't buy a bare access point but a router that manages all that NAT stuff
[03:04] <eduard> no spanish, sorry
[03:04] <AmyRose> yeti, agreed
[03:04] <yeti> eduard: if you have some spare dollars, that's the most convenient solution: buy a wireless router that manages the connection to the internet
[03:05] <eduard> i cant use privet chanals
[03:05] <eduard> need to register first
[03:06] <eduard> AmyRose - i dont know meaning of this word, but no- i dont
[03:07] <yeti> eduard: the most popular NAT software for linux is probably just using iptables. i dont know wingate, but i'm quite sure that iptables is a lot harder to set up than wingate ;)
[03:07] <eduard> ru
[03:07] <AmyRose> Well I don't know that.
[03:07] <eduard> :))
[03:08] <raffytaffy> im still suprised my isp wont give me their MTU
[03:08] <raffytaffy> heh
[03:09] <AmyRose> raffytaffy, why do you need the MTU?
[03:09] <raffytaffy> for my netgear router
[03:09] <AmyRose> oh
[03:09] <raffytaffy> its been dropping my connect with torrents
[03:09] <raffytaffy> i lower it to 1400...we shall see
[03:09] <eduard> well, i thought it could be easier, but i would like to try yeti
[03:10] <eduard> how can create virtual wireless access point on kubuntu machine?
[03:10] <eduard> joaquin, are you still here?
[03:12] <yeti> eduard: here's an option that will probably make it easier. you could create an ad-hoc network (see for example http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389136&highlight=ad-hoc ), then you don't need to setup an access point. i'm very unsure whether this is secure though.
[03:13] <eduard> ok will try yeti, thanks
[03:14] <james> does anyone know how to sync a blackberry 7100 with kontact on kubuntu?
[03:15] <raffytaffy> !blackberry
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blackberry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <frojnd> does anyone here use krusader? Don't know how can I share files with ftp protocol??
[03:16] <Jucato> frojnd: same as with Konqueror. use ftp:/ or sftp:/
[03:18] <frojnd> Jucato: with ftp:/ or sftp:/ I can only connect to ohter ftp
[03:18] <frojnd> I wanna share my files
[03:18] <Jucato> oh...
[03:18] <frojnd> oki
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll need to run an ftp server to do it that way
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> a client is just that, a client for accessing OTHER servers.
[03:22] <Jucato> !ftp
[03:22] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:22] <Jucato> !ftpd
[03:22] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[03:25] <AmyRose> !Konqueror
[03:25] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5280 kB
[03:25] <AmyRose> Ooh, I didn't know that did anything
[03:27] <voorhees86> hey i nedd some help
[03:27] <voorhees86> my installation dosent work
[03:28] <Mlcloud> voorhees86 I do hope you're planning to give more information than that
[03:28] <voorhees86> i intall them perfect
[03:28] <untouch_> hi i have problems with my soundcards i dont hear any sounds i have a Audigy2 ZS and a Onboard soundcard (deaktivated in bios but kubuntu finds it)
[03:28] <voorhees86> but , when kubuntu go play for the first time
[03:29] <voorhees86> i select the first option on the grub
[03:29] <untouch_> select the second one
[03:29] <Mlcloud> You know, I came here to ask for help too, but after voorhees86 i'll just look bad so I'll ask for help tomorrow.
[03:29] <voorhees86> they go to status bar
[03:29] <voorhees86> and after , they freeze on a black screen
[03:30] <untouch_> voorhees86: use the second
[03:30] <untouch_> i had the same problem
[03:30] <voorhees86> the second option , is the text mode
[03:30] <untouch_> huh
[03:30] <untouch_> safe grafics mode
[03:31] <voorhees86> (recover mode)
[03:31] <untouch_> okay forget what i said
[03:31] <horde> is there a way to make a key that currently doesn't have a function so that it is functional?
[03:32] <voorhees86> if a boot form cd
[03:32] <voorhees86> have de same thing, if i don,t select 1024x768, if a left default frezee on a black screen too
[03:34] <Mlcloud> I'm having a network problem, and apparently its a known one too.
[03:34] <Mlcloud> I need to get the tigon3 driver (tg3?) driver for my bcm5751 card
[03:34] <Mlcloud> and I think i got one from the broadcom website for linux tg3, just no idea how to install it.
[03:35] <Mlcloud> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11462.msg45474 <-- a brief history of what i tried so far
[03:35] <Mlcloud> but i think its mainly a driver problem that i need to download and install before trying anything.
[03:35] <voorhees86> untouch_ you can help me
[03:35] <voorhees86> ?
[03:37] <foxwoods> I also need some help....installed ndiswrapper with a D-Link DWL-G132, (using the win2k driver, because they actually work), and then on connect to the network, the system freezes....looked in syslog, seems that dhclient is in an infinite loop/doesn't work?
[03:38] <voorhees86> please any body can help me
[03:38] <voorhees86> ?
[03:40] <voorhees86> brasilian?
[03:40] <berial242> polish ?
[03:40] <untouch_> voorhees86: no sorry no idead
[03:40] <untouch_> voorhees86: no sorry no ideas
[03:41] <voorhees86> in the secury mode, works ok, but im new in linux
[03:41] <Mlcloud> It feels pathetic to be asking help amongst 3 other guys asking for help.
[03:41] <Mlcloud> I give up for tonight... again.
[03:42] <horde> ne1? is there a way to make a key that currently doesn't have a function so that it is functional?
[03:42] <voorhees86> how a enter in the grafics mode, in line os command?
[03:43] <SSJ_GZ> voorhees86: startx ?
[03:43] <voorhees86> how i enter in grafics mode, in line of command?
[03:43] <NightBird> voorhees86: you want to start the xserver? startx
[03:43] <NightBird> then in the box that pops up, if you want kde, type startkde
[03:44] <voorhees86> ok, freeze black screen agan, how i set 1024x768 , in line of command, to start startx
[03:44] <AmyRose> voorhees86, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:45] <AmyRose> That's the "proper" command to configure X on Kubuntu
[03:45] <NightBird> AmyRose: well... that's the "proper" command to reconfigure X on Kubuntu to defualts :P
[03:46] <Mlcloud> Cool, replies are coming. Anyone want to help me out then?
[03:46] <Mlcloud> I need to install the tg3 module for my broadcom bcm5751 card
[03:46] <AmyRose> NightBird, not if you run it without -phigh
[03:46] <Mlcloud> which... is incompatible with any sort of linux distro whatsoever.
[03:46] <voorhees86> sorry im brasilian, my english is not good
[03:46] <foxwoods> voorhees, what is your problem with X?
[03:47] <AmyRose> Without -phigh, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" asks you questions about EVERYTHING.
[03:47] <NightBird> ah
[03:47] <foxwoods> that it does.
[03:47] <voorhees86> i intall de kubuntu ok
[03:47] <voorhees86> then i will run them for the first time
[03:47] <NightBird> Mlcloud: well.... so you're saying that your network card isn't supported by linux, but you want to find and install drivers anyways?
[03:48] <voorhees86> appers the status bar, if the logo , them after that, the syustem freeze on a black screen
[03:48] <Mlcloud> NightBird - no no, i said it wrong.
[03:48] <Mlcloud> Lets see... ack, i closed it, just a sec.
[03:48] <AmyRose> I heard ndiswrapper is the best bet for Broadcom crap
[03:48] <Mlcloud> in a help file for wiki, quote: :# I Have a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5751 Ethernet card, which needs the tigon3 driver, unavailable in Debian kernel 2.6.11. The solution is here.
[03:48] <Mlcloud> but the download is dead there, so i found one at the broadcom website, one for linux, tg3.
[03:49] <Mlcloud> I just dont know how to install it, and its kind of hard to search for instructions when I have no idea what the terms i need to use are.
[03:49] <NightBird> AmyRose: that's only for wireless....
[03:49] <AmyRose> Oh, he has Ethernet?
[03:49] <Mlcloud> Yeah.
[03:49] <horde> I have two Alt keys.  The right one is marked Alt Gr but doesn't work.  Any way to make it work like the left Alt key?  running Kubuntu Edgy
[03:49] <AmyRose> Eesh
[03:50] <Mlcloud> Oh, and if you want to see the things i tried (to no avail),
[03:50] <Mlcloud> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11462.msg45474
[03:50] <AmyRose> horde, change your keyboard layout
[03:50] <horde> AmyRose: Control Center?
[03:50] <AmyRose> yes
[03:51] <AmyRose> horde, in System Settings, it's under Regional and Language
[03:51] <voorhees86> AmyRose ok, how driver i choose, i have a NVIDIA GeForce Go 6150
[03:51] <horde> AmyRose, found it.
[03:51] <otwin> just upgrade to feisty - where do I enable compiz?
[03:51] <AmyRose> voorhees86, Oooh, I am good with Nvidia questions...
 voorhees86, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:52] <voorhees86> im run this command
[03:52] <voorhees86> and enter in a screen to choose the driver
[03:52] <foxwoods> first, as far as I know, say no to the first prompt
[03:52] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you need to download a script called Envy if you want to install Nvidia
[03:52] <foxwoods> right, then for that, I chose vesa
[03:52] <foxwoods> if you want to get in first
[03:52] <foxwoods> envy later :)
[03:53] <foxwoods> but then again, I'm using ATI.
[03:53] <voorhees86> but i dont have acsses to grafics mode, to install envy
[03:53] <cyt> I can play mpeg file with sound on, but when viewing rm/rmvb file, the sound if off, even if I don't mute. Any suggestions?
[03:53] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you can get it here, and Envy can run in text mode: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:54] <voorhees86> but im a new in linux
[03:54] <AmyRose> voorhees86, I can walk you through it
[03:54] <voorhees86> ohhh ok, thanks
[03:54] <AmyRose> voorhees86, Are you in text mode now?
[03:54] <AmyRose> on your Linux machine?
[03:55] <voorhees86> i have 2 computer, i am now in the windows computer, but the other on me side, is the linux text
[03:55] <AmyRose> OK, good
[03:55] <voorhees86> they are, on that screen , to choose the driver
[03:55] <AmyRose> voorhees86, pick "nv" for now
[03:55] <AmyRose> voorhees86, it will give you 2D support
[03:55] <voorhees86> dont have nvidia
[03:56] <AmyRose> voorhees86, pick vesa then
[03:56] <foxwoods> Can anyone else help with DWL-G132? Is ndiswrapper the best way?  In which repository are the adept sources? I can't see them in mine: 6.10 multiverse universe main restricted.
[03:57] <voorhees86> you can?
[03:57] <PF-Away> now i have a looping sound going in the background, and no wine stuff is running
[03:57] <PF-Away> they're all killed
[03:57] <eduard> how to create new wireless network in kubuntu7.04?
[03:58] <AmyRose> voorhees86, I just sent you messages privately
[03:58] <pollyo> Hello
[03:58] <pollyo> Any idea why I might be getting i/o errors when I attempt to burn a DVD?
[03:58] <horde> AmyRose, I've tried the likely permutations of layout and keyboard model but nothing works.
[03:59] <AmyRose> horde, I dunno what to tell you then.
[03:59] <AmyRose> horde, what country?
[03:59] <horde> AmyRose, britain
[03:59] <AmyRose> Really? hmm
[03:59] <horde> AmyRose, a Dell laptop
[04:00] <AmyRose> horde, Whaddya know, my right Alt doesn't work either
[04:00] <voorhees86> im there
[04:00] <AmyRose> I never noticed because I use it to type symbols using the US International layout
[04:00] <AmyRose> voorhees86, how are you doing?
[04:00] <horde> Ah
[04:01] <voorhees86> private menssage
[04:01] <AmyRose> horde, I believe the right alt key just generates a different keycode...
[04:01] <voorhees86> i talk to you
[04:01] <horde> AmyRose, I wondered if anyone had tried to remap their Windoze key and if the same work work on the right Alt
[04:01] <voorhees86> im private message
[04:01] <AmyRose> voorhees86, you're not answering me
[04:02] <voorhees86> yes i am
[04:02] <AmyRose> voorhees86, try /query AmyRose
[04:02] <voorhees86> i see you, and i ask
[04:03] <AmyRose> voorhees86, try typing /query AmyRose here
[04:03] <horde> AmyRose, is there any way to capture that key code and edit a keyboard layout?  I'm about 3 days new to linux but I'll give that a go if there's a way
[04:03] <voorhees86> open the window, whe are talking
[04:03] <AmyRose> horde, there may be a rule you can specify in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to give you what you want
[04:03] <mdtyke> horde, I need to know that too! :)
[04:03] <AmyRose> voorhees86, You're not replying there
[04:04] <mdtyke> I did it a while ago, as I needed to add the Euro and Pound keys
[04:04] <voorhees86> i am , but seems that is a problem
[04:04] <voorhees86> send me a chat?
[04:04] <horde> AmyRose, I have no idea what that command means but it scares me a bit
[04:04] <voorhees86> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[04:04] <voorhees86> ohhh i find the problem
[04:05] <horde> mdtyke, how did you do it?
[04:05] <jamal_> hello why kubuntu doesn't play VCD sounds
[04:05] <Tm_T> !worksforme
[04:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:05] <AmyRose> horde, typing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" into a terminal takes you step by step in the X configuration process. It's very nice
[04:05] <horde> AmyRose, Cheers, will try that.
[04:06] <AmyRose> horde, first, I recommend reading on XKB rules
[04:06] <foxwoods> anyone know about wireless?
[04:06] <jamal_> any idea ?
[04:06] <AmyRose> foxwoods, Yeah, just get a supported card ;P
[04:06] <AmyRose> Just kidding
[04:06] <foxwoods> lol
[04:06] <foxwoods> I'm almost to that point.
[04:06] <AmyRose> It's hard to get a supported card.
[04:06] <Mlcloud> AmyRose That sounds like it woudl work for me too... =.=
[04:07] <AmyRose> lol
[04:07] <foxwoods> I've just seen other people getting their D-Link working.
[04:07] <foxwoods> and I'm almost there
[04:07] <jamal_> how to make my VCD Audio
[04:07] <foxwoods> I can see everything, but lockup on connect.
[04:07] <tmbg_> horde, right alt on us-en keymap at least is mapped to 'meta'
[04:07] <jamal_> work
[04:08] <tmbg_> you should be able to remap it. there's some sort of faq somewhere about it.
[04:08] <jamal_> anyone alive
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> reconfigure xserver-xorg, or edit xorg.conf by hand
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> jamal_: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[04:09] <Daisuke_Ido> AmyRose: there's actually a code there by default to make it meta, so removing that should revert to regular alt behaviour
[04:10] <AmyRose> Daisuke_Ido, Not according to Horde.
[04:10] <AmyRose> Besides, this is also for my own use
[04:10] <tmbg_> Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch" <-- this guy
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> tmbg_: that's it
[04:12] <AmyRose> I prefer using my right Alt key to type things like " etc...
[04:12] <matrix> hi is there a kde programm to choose a fast kubuntu mirror? i tried to start /usr/bin/software-properties but get the following error message:could not find a distribution template
[04:13] <tmbg_> AmyRose, one handed? or you hit the right alt with your left hand?
[04:13] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I'm ambidextrous
[04:13] <tmbg_> I still don't get why someone would use the right alt for that even if they were ambi.
[04:14] <tmbg_> unless their right hand was huge
[04:14] <AmyRose> tmbg_, It's still more convenient than running a character map.
[04:14] <tmbg_> or do you type the numbers using the top row?
[04:14] <AmyRose> tmbg_, No.
[04:15] <tmbg_> which hand do you hit the bloody right alt key with then?
[04:15] <AmyRose> tmbg_, You hold Right Alt and hit various keys to type symbols. Like holding right-alt and hitting C for
[04:15] <tmbg_> yeah I know this.
[04:15] <tmbg_> I'm asking you which hand you use to hit right alt.
[04:15] <AmyRose> Then what the heck are you talking about
[04:15] <AmyRose> ?
[04:15] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I use my right hand
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> right alt, i'd imagine right hand
[04:16] <AmyRose> I'm a touch-typist
[04:16] <tmbg_> AmyRose, yeah me too.
[04:16] <shinobi> anyone had any issues with inkscape crashing on text entry
[04:16] <tmbg_> I was thinking of entering ASCII codes though w/ the alt, not of just alt+c
[04:17] <tmbg_> I was trying to figure out how on earth you were using the numberpad, heh
[04:17] <shinobi> possibly due to uim/anthy/canna japanese text entry
[04:17] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I have a laptop and don't use the number pad
[04:17] <horde> Daisuke_Ido, no, the US keyboard config didn't work for me
[04:17] <tmbg_> ah.
[04:17] <AmyRose> tmbg_, I do type numbers using the top row
[04:18] <tmbg_> horde, did you comment out this: Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch" ?
[04:18] <tmbg_> AmyRose, gotcha.
[04:18] <AmyRose> tmbg_, My preferred use for the numeric keypad on my desktop is as cursor keys o.o
[04:18] <pollyo> Anyone here familiar with input/output erorrs while attemptint to backup a dvd?
[04:19] <tmbg_> numbers on the top row always bothered me. I can do it, even touch, but I make a lot of mistakes on those stupid things. also I enter in so many ip addresses and numbers at work that the numberpad is far more efficient.
[04:19] <AmyRose> pollyo, usually just means your disc is damaged
[04:19] <foxwoods> last call, dwl-g132, ndiswrapper, freeze on connect?
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: either the disc is bad or you're trying to write to a vfat partition
[04:19] <horde> tmbg_, didn't yet.  Still reading up on XKB rules
[04:20] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I'm writing an iso file to a dvd.  Would that have anything to do with vfat?
[04:20] <shinobi> inkscape anyone?
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> you just said backup :P
[04:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I went through about half a dozen dvd's do far.  I doubt it is the dvd itself.
[04:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Yes, I backed it up to iso file and now I am writing the iso file.
[04:21] <m03> anyway to use generic video card drivers so I can obtain the resolution 1280x1024
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate to be mister obvious, but...  dual layer?
[04:21] <shinobi> AmyRose has no crashes then i guess
[04:21] <m03> some live CDs I've used I can just boot and select that resoultion
[04:22] <m03> but once I install and 'proper' drivers are installed I cannot
[04:22] <AmyRose> shinobi, no, I don't...
[04:22] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I attempted to use a daul layer but it said over 50% of the space would be wasted so I used single layer.
[04:22] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Maybe I should just push with the dual layer and see if it still errors out.
[04:23] <shinobi> AmyRose are you using text entry method?
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's worth a shot
[04:23] <shinobi> AmyRose skim/uim etc...
[04:23] <mdtyke> horde: I cant remember how
[04:23] <mdtyke> It was in X11/keyboards/something I think
[04:24] <AmyRose> shinobi, no. I'm American...
[04:24] <Jucato> !info wine feisty | PF-Away
[04:24] <ubotu> pf-away: wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[04:24] <PF-Away> !info wine feisty amd64
[04:24] <PF-Away> :D
[04:25] <shinobi> AmyRose that makes sense. Is your system pretty much standard install?
[04:25] <jlh_> hello
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> dream on :P
[04:25] <mdtyke> horde: , then you just edited the en file I think it was
[04:25] <PF-Away> hi
[04:25] <F9> hi B9
[04:25] <jlh_> Kubuntu  Fiesty Fawn is awesome
[04:25] <AmyRose> shinobi, yes
[04:25] <B9> aoa
[04:25] <shinobi> AmyRose just want to check because skim is defaulted on kubuntu so theoretically it's running on your machine and not crashing inkscape
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> mdtyke: there's ralt_switch in the xorg.conf for the default us-en layout
[04:26] <olie> anyone ere using fiesty fawn
[04:26] <bxnp> nope still on breezy
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> mdtyke: comment that out rather than editing the layout file :)
[04:26] <AmyRose> shinobi, no, I'm not using any input methods since I only use languages that use the Latin alphabet
[04:26] <bxnp> and it rocks too
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> olie: yes
[04:26] <bxnp> :)
[04:26] <PF-Away> olie: yeah
[04:26] <jlh_> I will use it for my Desktop instead of Debian Etch
[04:26] <busfahrer> Excuse me, does Kubuntu have an equivalent to Ubuntu's Network Places? i.e. something to see Windows Shares
[04:26] <bxnp> yes
[04:26] <jlh_> smb:/
[04:26] <olie> i need help
[04:26] <AmyRose> busfahrer, try smb:// in Konqueror
[04:26] <bxnp> busfahrer: smb:/
[04:26] <away-dragonclaw> lol
[04:26] <PF-Away> Jucato: "No candidate version found for wine"
[04:26] <jlh_> Type it in the address bar of konqueror
[04:26] <shinobi> AmyRose sure. But unless you uninstalled skim etc... it's still there
[04:27] <ins-dragonclaw> three consecutive answers...
[04:27] <chijin> btw is there any way to get mplayer to play files over a samba network?
[04:27] <jlh_> smb:/ (one slash) will search the network
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: you have to mount the shares
[04:27] <Jucato> PF-Away: possibly because you're on 64-bit? not really sure... all I know is that 0.9.33 is available on feisty
[04:27] <chijin> PF-Away: that sounds reasonable
[04:27] <olie> my beryl dont work :(
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: the easiest is to use a kde based player though
[04:27] <PF-Away> chijin: you can use smb4k (i think) for mounting shares and stuff
[04:28] <PF-Away> !smb4k
[04:28] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[04:28] <chijin> PF-Away: i tried throwing files at kaffeine but they didn't work
[04:28] <mdtyke> well
[04:28] <mdtyke> What I want to do, is make a keyboard layout
[04:28] <PF-Away> chijin: try codeine;)
[04:28] <mdtyke> As you see, my keyboard doesn't have keys in the same place as they appear on Linux
[04:28] <mdtyke> Any ideas how I can make one?  Surely there's some kind of tool
[04:28] <mdtyke> GUI tool :)
[04:28] <tuzlo> is swat configured to a different port in kubuntu?
[04:28] <AmyRose> shinobi, Yes, but it's not running
[04:29] <soulrider_> mdtyke: kcharselect maybe
[04:29] <jlh_> gotta go. Talk to you fols later
[04:29] <jlh_> folks
[04:29] <soulrider_> you will be able to select the chars you want and just copy them
[04:29] <soulrider_> mdtyke: you mihgt also want to change the keyboard layout, maybe thats the problem
[04:29] <mdtyke> I want to customize it
[04:30] <shinobi> AmyRose good point, i've just thought of that, i guess i just got to disable them one by one and see what goes down, thanks for the clue
[04:30] <mdtyke> I live in Ireland (Northern Ireland actually), so I use pounds sterling, euro and dollar symbols
[04:30] <mdtyke> and I need to shift where the ~ > </ \ keys etc are to the same as my keyboard
[04:30] <horde> right, so once I edit xorg.conf do I need to restart completely or just restart X?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> just restart x
[04:30] <olie> anyone help me at all
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> olie: try #ubuntu-effects
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> they're the ones to ask about beryl
[04:31] <PF-Away> Jucato: i just force-arch the package manually, seems to be working
[04:31] <horde> tmbg_, do you suggest I comment out "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" ?
[04:31] <olie> thnx Daisuke_Ido
[04:32] <tmbg_> horde, yup, then restart X
[04:32] <horde> tmbg_, cheers.
[04:32] <Jucato> PF-Away: ah good
[04:32] <AmyRose> shinobi, sorry I don't know. Are you in Japan or something?
[04:33] <ins-dragonclaw> indeed shinobi is in Japan
[04:33] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw ha ha ha
[04:33] <Solatis> hello, i seem to be unable to play any dvd's
[04:33] <ins-dragonclaw> AmyRose, this is where /whois come in handy :)
[04:34] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw that's a quick conclusion
[04:34] <Solatis> i can mount my /dev/dvd and see an AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directory
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> Solatis: do you have the libdvdcss(WHATEVER) library installed?
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp (shinobi)
[04:34] <shinobi> AmyRose ins-dragonclaw looked up at my login detail
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> .jp = Japan
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> no, i did /whois shinobi
[04:34] <yves__> re bonjour
[04:34] <yves__> :yv
[04:34] <Solatis> i've got libdvdread3 installed
[04:34] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw but it's meaningless
[04:34] <Solatis> which contains libdvdcss i believe
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> not actually
[04:34] <ins-dragonclaw> @ shinobi
[04:35] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm not the one to ask about DVDs
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw it's at the top of the page at login
[04:35] <yvesman> re bonjour
[04:35] <tmbg_> if you can see those directories, it should be decrypting properly
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw but it's not really reliable
[04:35] <Solatis> okay, but weird.. i'm able to mount it, but kmplayer doesn't seem to be able to play it
[04:35] <yvesman> j'ai un probleme pour configurer  ma resolution de carte nvidia
[04:35] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw could be a funky rerouting
[04:36] <shinobi> ins-dragonclaw AmyRose But in this case yes, Japan
[04:36] <mdtyke> horde: This may help (it's what I did) - http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/03/1558258
[04:36] <Solatis> and basicly, kmplayer says: "URL: dvd://
[04:36] <Solatis> Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd"
[04:37] <m03> anyone have an idea about my question/
[04:37] <m03> ?*
[04:37] <m03> anyway to use generic video card drivers so I can obtain the resolution 1280x1024?
[04:37] <m03> some live CDs I've used I can just boot and select that resoultion
[04:37] <m03> but once I install and 'proper' drivers are installed I cannot
[04:37] <horde> Commenting out option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch" didn't work
[04:37] <tmbg_> ah. perhaps dvd isn't linked to the proper device
[04:37] <horde> mdtyke, thanks, will try it
[04:38] <mdtyke> Np
[04:38] <laptop> What is the equivalent to CTRL-ALT-DEL in Ubuntu?
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> CTRL-ALT-DEL
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> the keys are still the same
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> what are you trying to do with them, though
[04:38] <laptop> Im not asking about the keys.
[04:39] <laptop> Well, obviously this is a question for someone with windows experience
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop ctrl alt del is the same
[04:39] <laptop> In windows (a non-linux o/s) it brings up a task monitor
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[04:39] <m03> what you asking laptop?
[04:39] <m03> a process list?
[04:39] <m03> lol
[04:39] <laptop> exactly
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop but ctrl alt bckspc
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> bind it to ksysguard, i suppose
[04:39] <shinobi> laptop ahhh
[04:40] <m03> do top
[04:40] <m03> laptop, top or ps aux in terminal
[04:40] <shinobi> laptop superkaramba and aero aio?
[04:40] <shinobi> laptop there is a plug in for ps too
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> m03: i think he's wanting a gui task manager type thing
[04:40] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[04:40] <laptop> task manager, like I said...........
[04:41] <ForgeAus> like ksysguard?
[04:41] <laptop> i suppose
[04:41] <pinoshaw> algum que fala em portugus aqui?
[04:41] <ForgeAus> (or alt-escape)
[04:41] <shinobi> laptop reckon if you like the windows stuff you'll like aero_aio
[04:41] <ForgeAus> wait is it control escape? one of thme 2
[04:41] <m03> ah, shame, top is nice :P
[04:41] <olie> join #kubuntu effects
[04:41] <laptop> I just want one function, the task manager.....
[04:41] <laptop> I dont want "windows"
[04:41] <laptop> *sigh*
[04:41] <ForgeAus> hehe I didn't know how to exit top first time I ran it!
[04:41] <laptop> Im not betraying the kind
[04:41] <Jucato> !pr | pinoshaw
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Jucato> !pt | pinoshaw
[04:41] <ubotu> pinoshaw: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus.  :P
[04:43] <Jucato> pinoshaw: #ubuntu-br <-- click on that
[04:43] <laptop> I dont understand why people have an aversion to GUI....it makes things easier
[04:43] <ForgeAus> ksysguard and/or ctrl + escape is all the taskmanager you need.... right?
[04:43] <laptop> Yrd
[04:43] <laptop> yes
[04:43] <m03> thanks xBill, but no clue on what drivers I should use
[04:43] <xBill> which graphics card do u use ?
[04:43] <ForgeAus> of course control + escape runs the process table sub-component of ksysguard anyhow
[04:44] <m03> no idea really it's this ATI radeon, will lspci tell me ?
[04:44] <ForgeAus> but you have to be root to kill most tasks right?
[04:44] <xBill> it will
[04:45] <m03> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M
[04:45] <laptop> KSysguard is perfect, just downloaded it
[04:45] <laptop> You know
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> didn't i say that ten minutes ago?
[04:45] <xBill> there are 2 open ati radeon drivers and the proprietary one
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:45] <m03> obviously I don't want the drivers for it becuase the card doesn't do 1280x1024, but there must be an alternative driver
[04:45] <laptop> There should be a webpage that says something like "You liked THIS program in windows , then try THIS program in Ubuntu"
[04:45] <m03> since live-cd does it
[04:46] <laptop> A list
[04:46] <xBill> which one do u use at the moment ?
[04:46] <laptop> CTRL + ESC does nothing for me btw
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php
[04:46] <m03> how can I tell which driver I'm using?
[04:47] <laptop> What is python in one sentence or less?
[04:47] <ForgeAus> a programming language
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> laptop: that's just the first result i got in google, there are a lot of sites for that sort of thing
[04:48] <ForgeAus> kinda a relatively new-age one sorta in a similar league to ruby....
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> more and more as linux gets a bit of a foothold on the desktop
[04:49] <laptop> thank you
[04:49] <laptop> new-age, huh?
[04:49] <laptop> hehe
[04:49] <xBill> m03: it should be in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (must be root to edit), in section "Device"
[04:49] <laptop> mood rings?
[04:49] <laptop> karma
[04:49] <laptop> Spiritualism?
[04:49] <PF-Away> python is pure pwnage
[04:50] <PF-Away> !python
[04:50] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:50] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:50] <PF-Away> _ is important _
[04:50] <xBill> soulrider : hi
[04:51] <ForgeAus> hehe laptop I didn't mean hippy pot-smoking new-age lol :)
[04:51] <m03> hmm
[04:51] <m03>                Depth           1
[04:51] <m03>                 Modes           "1024x768"
[04:51] <m03> could I just change that?
[04:51] <laptop> no?
[04:51] <ForgeAus> you could
[04:51] <m03> try o force it?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Depth 1?
[04:51] <ForgeAus> force it?
[04:51] <m03> no to 1280x1024
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> look for depth 16 or 24
[04:51] <ForgeAus> you can add/edit/change it all you like
[04:52] <xBill> m03: the correct way was to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal, where you will be asked for all settings
[04:53] <m03> alright xBill i'll try that
[04:53] <xBill> k
[04:53] <laptop> hmmmm
[04:53] <laptop> I just checked mine is set to the same thing
[04:53] <ForgeAus> xBill I found that quite confusing to run through but I agree with it being the correct way
[04:53] <laptop> I need 1280x1024 for my lcd as well
[04:53] <laptop> I think this is a bug for ubuntu
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if you know your settings, it works just as well to manually edit the .conf
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> not at all, runs at 1280x1024 fine :)
[04:54] <m03> no it's not laptop
[04:54] <m03> just video card drivers
[04:54] <laptop> Its not reading my lcd
[04:54] <untouch> hi i got a problem with my sound i dont hear any sound ;( i have a audigy 2 zs
[04:54] <ins-dragonclaw> yep, thats a problem
[04:54] <laptop> I dont know how to change .conf files.
[04:54] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo kwrite /etc/blabla.conf
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> laptop: like i said, if you know what you're doing.  personally i'd recommend dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <xBill> ForgeAus : i edit my xorg.conf by hand, too.  but  it's better this way if u don't have so much experience
[04:55] <ForgeAus> um for kwrite its kdesu
[04:55] <ForgeAus> (its  gui app - for gui apps ude kdesu, for console ones sudo)
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, my bad
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: sudo will still work
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> just not as pretty :)
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> just gives 1 or 2 errors
[04:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[04:56] <laptop> So, type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <mjunx> kdesu!!
[04:56] <mjunx> you could also use kate :)
[04:56] <ForgeAus> daisuke yeah but I'm sure I was told by someone its not good to do that way.. for some reason that I aren't advanced enough to know right now
[04:56] <ins-dragonclaw> kwrite loads faster
[04:56] <ins-dragonclaw> for me, anyway
[04:56] <ForgeAus> I think kate is based on kwrite isn't it?
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: i haven't had a problem, but i'll definitely take that into consideration.  learn something new every day :D
[04:57] <xBill> (vim rocks ;-))
[04:57] <ForgeAus> Daisuke ask Jucato, he'd know more
[04:57] <xBill> (loads faster than kwrite or kate)
[04:57] <ForgeAus> xBill sorry, I can't deal with vim!
[04:57] <ins-dragonclaw> it's like 2kb big
[04:57] <ForgeAus> I can't stand a text editor that you need to change modes just to cursor around / delete text, etc...
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> vim is NOT something you want a "typical" desktop user using just to edit conf files
[04:58] <xBill> wasn't serious ^^
[04:58] <ins-dragonclaw> ...right...
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> emacs, however >_>
[04:58] <laptop> I have a laptop I dont know which graphic chipset it uses
[04:58] <laptop> ugh
[04:58] <ins-dragonclaw> "The Linux has you, Neo"
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> well, intel or amd processor?
[04:58] <laptop> intel
[04:59] <xBill> laptop: run "lspci" in a terminal
[04:59] <m03> did anyone get my last question?
[04:59] <m03> by the way if I were to edit xorg.config
[04:59] <m03> how do I rehash/apply?
[04:59] <otwin> just upgraded to feisty - where do I enable compiz?
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> most likely an intel graphics chipset
[04:59] <ForgeAus> emacs I know little about but it does seem quite powerful like vim I guess in that sense, emacs also seems to have a close relationship with the Lisp programming language
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> m03: restart X
 most likely an intel graphics chipset <-- no, really
[04:59] <ins-dragonclaw> never woulda guessed :)
[04:59] <laptop> haha
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ins-dragonclaw: captain obvious again :D
[05:00] <ForgeAus> oh we have an einstein among our midsts?
[05:00] <laptop> He's right
[05:00] <laptop> it is an intel graphics
[05:00] <laptop> smart
[05:01] <ins-dragonclaw> KMenu > System Settings > Monitor & Display > Hardware
[05:01] <ins-dragonclaw> For a precise model no. you'll have to go to admin mode
[05:01] <ForgeAus> or just run a system info utility
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> or just be a Perl programmer, type }}:] #] :}%}##$:#} and save the world
[05:02] <ForgeAus> I'm sure there is one in KDE somewhere, forgot the name of it
[05:02] <ForgeAus> lol Perl? no thanx
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[05:02] <laptop> 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> sounds about right
[05:02] <ins-dragonclaw> same chipset I use
[05:03] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:03] <laptop> But what option do I pick?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> sounds just like everything else I ever saw... half left to me
[05:03] <laptop> I typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:03] <laptop> And it gives me a list to choose from
[05:03] <ins-dragonclaw> hibye
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> try i810
[05:04] <ForgeAus> ins u ever heard that old lame joke? did you hear about the man who had his whole left side cut off?... he was all right!..
[05:04] <laptop> okay
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> yep, sure is lame, now that i've heard of it ^^
[05:04] <ins-dragonclaw> I smell smoke...
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> >_>
[05:05] <ForgeAus> thats usually not a good thing
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> actually it is
[05:05] <ins-dragonclaw> smoke = barbeque :D
[05:05] <ForgeAus> like I said thats usually not a good thing
[05:05] <laptop> Bus Identifier....ugh
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> You're not allowed to be vegetarian, AmyRose
[05:06] <ForgeAus> even bbq smoke isn't healthy, sometimes the food isn't either!
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> it's bad for you
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[05:06] <ins-dragonclaw> Hey!   "I'm a vegetarian" sounds more polite than "Eww! Grosss! I don't like that!"
[05:08] <tmbg_> sounds fun. and tasty
[05:08] <m03> how much did that cost you anywho?
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:09] <AmyRose> laptop, use a VM for that
[05:09] <ForgeAus> theres colinux
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> that would be the day
[05:09] <ForgeAus> or interix
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> or just install linux
[05:09] <ForgeAus> (or cygwin)
[05:09] <AmyRose> or VirtualBox: www.virtualbox.org
[05:09] <ins-dragonclaw> solves all the problems :)
[05:09] <laptop> IF game makers made games for Linux, windows would lose
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> wakeup call: They are
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> ID made Doom and Quake for linux
[05:10] <AmyRose> It's "id", not "ID"
[05:10] <ForgeAus> actually laptop has a point the games market is driving bulk of the computer market right now
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> and there's gonna be an opensource gaming revolution in a few years
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> IDont really care :)
[05:10] <AmyRose> The best Doom-based game is Sonic Robo Blast 2: http://www.srb2.org
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Microsoft themselves say they truly believe the next revolution in computers will be a software one
[05:10] <ins-dragonclaw> game developers are getting angry at major software houses.
[05:11] <ins-dragonclaw> I need to find that article again...
[05:11] <ForgeAus> ins, why's that?
[05:11] <AmyRose> Microsoft probably means that they're switching to subscription pricing soon
[05:11] <orange1> ins-dragonclaw: they can get angry all they want - they wont walk away from the paycheck
[05:11] <ins-dragonclaw> give me a few minutes to find the article, ForgeAus
[05:11] <Arbosis> does anyone knows what to do with "cannot allocate resource region 2 of decive 0000:05:00:0 before loading the gui ??  :S
[05:12] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, ID also put gigantic backdoors in quake2.
[05:12] <Skrot> How big are the gigantic backdoors compared to the regular-sized ones?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> I have to say I'm no fan of the whole quake thing
[05:12] <ForgeAus> lol skrot :)
[05:13] <ForgeAus> yeah exactly how do you measure a backdoor?
[05:13] <tmbg_> Skrot, this one was very bad and very trivial to exploit.
[05:13] <laptop> Games like WoW, Second LIfe, Sims... (you know the boring games)
[05:13] <tmbg_> let me dig up the advisory
[05:13] <ins-dragonclaw> http://crystaltips.typepad.com/wonderland/2005/03/burn_the_house_.html
[05:13] <orange1> ah games... programming took my life over - soo much to learn and so little time
[05:14] <ForgeAus> agreed orange
[05:14] <ForgeAus> which language do you prefer?
[05:14] <orange1> how did it turn out like this - from 10-15 hour game sessions 7 days a week to working and school
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> life
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> does that to you
[05:14] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[05:15] <orange1> ForgeAus: I 'm self studying Actionscript (flash) while taking courses in java
[05:15] <ins-dragonclaw> tmbg_: backdoors in quake?
[05:15] <CarinArr> Arbosis: it can be hardware conflicts etc.. are you having any problems that you've noticed when you're using linux?
[05:15] <ins-dragonclaw> well, i don't game at all, so i suppose it's ok.
[05:15] <CarinArr> Arbosis: if you do then the first place to look would probably be for a bios update
[05:16] <tmbg_> I'm lagged. but anyway  yes. I will dig up the quake advisory
[05:16] <ForgeAus> oh java?... hmmm actually actionscript and java use similar format (as far as I can tell actionscript is c-like from what I've seen and Java is very C++ like)
[05:16] <Arbosis> i use winxp now for play, i have used knoppix with this pc and i haven't got any problems
[05:16] <CarinArr> Arbosis: if you don't have any problems i wouldn't worry about it
[05:16] <ForgeAus> wow is boring?
[05:16] <Arbosis> but it stays at konsole mode
[05:17] <Arbosis> it doesnt load gui
[05:17] <CarinArr> Arbosis: ah.. that might be a problem;)
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I wonder why its so popular if its boring
[05:17] <orange1> ForgeAus: when i started java - my prof was chairman of CIS dept and basically useless - came and went as he pleased - so by learning AS2 i was able to learn java
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: its not boring. it's repetitive
[05:17] <CarinArr> Arbosis: what machine is this?
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> click click click boom click click click argh click click GAME OVER
[05:17] <orange1> ForgeAus: WoW paid for my tuition - gaming paid off
[05:17] <ins-dragonclaw> this is why i don't really play games
[05:17] <Arbosis> adm 64 3700+  ati radeon x800gto2
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I like gaming I wish I could make them myself!
[05:18] <ForgeAus> mostly stuff like popcap games
[05:18] <Arbosis> msi k8n neo platinum
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (puzzle ones, shanghai, tetris-attack-style, card games... that kinda thing)
[05:18] <CarinArr> Arbosis: first thing i would do is check if you can find a bios update
[05:18] <orange1> Arbosis: what ya doing ?
[05:18] <firecrotch> I'm not familiar with using tar from the command line... how can I tar and gzip a folder ?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> not really into 3d/fps's...
[05:18] <ForgeAus> I also love vs fighting games
[05:18] <CarinArr> orange1: he's getting "cnnot allocate resource region..." messages at boot and doesn't get a gui
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (ok well as far as 3d goes there Tekken series isn't so bad, but I prefer 2D ones like Capcom)
[05:19] <Arbosis> how can i find the correct bios update? i hven done that before
[05:19] <ins-dragonclaw> hey ForgeAus, guess what? You're gaming right now
[05:19] <ins-dragonclaw> It's called " Multiplayer Notepad " :)
[05:19] <CarinArr> Arbosis: you can normally find them through the manufacturer of the motherboard
[05:19] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:19] <untouch> hi i have a problem with my sound device i dont geht any sounds i have an audigy 2 zs and one onboard sound card
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I game alot
[05:20] <ForgeAus> been playing lotsa slingo quest lately
[05:20] <orange1> Arbosis: i remember when i did a bios update - it came with so many warnings... basically if u install the wrong one or mess it up ur mobo is dead - unless ...
[05:20] <laptop> He's right
[05:20] <laptop> controlling distribution is HUGE
[05:20] <ForgeAus> but I just got through the main quest with all stars, I just need one more stamp
[05:20] <Arbosis> :S
[05:20] <laptop> its the most important point on that page
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (well technically 2 but one stamp earns you both...)
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (because the last one is a stamp for getting all other stamps stamp... kinda like a metastamp :) hehe)
[05:20] <laptop> distributors always hold power over manufacturers......if you can change that, you can control the world.
[05:21] <CarinArr> firecrotch: tar zcf filename.tar.gz filesToZip
[05:21] <ForgeAus> I also had an idea for triangualr dominos...
[05:21] <orange1> CarinArr:  xzvf = ??
[05:21] <ForgeAus> just for something different :)
[05:21] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:21] <ForgeAus> of course I guess its already been done as square ones... (ever heard of tetravex?)
[05:21] <CarinArr> orange1: he's wantng to zip, not unzip
[05:22] <ins-dragonclaw> nope
[05:22] <orange1> CarinArr: nm i wanted to know what xzvf meant - when i unzipped files
[05:22] <ForgeAus> ins, then your deprived lol
[05:22] <ins-dragonclaw> xvzfxvzfxzxfvxzfxvzfxvzx - sounds like a distribution board going haywire :s
[05:22] <laptop> minesweeper
[05:22] <ForgeAus> minesweeper's kinda boring
[05:22] <firecrotch> Thank you, CarinArr
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> minesweeper -was- awesome ... then i lost in 3 seconds and never played again
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> I prefer solitare
[05:23] <ForgeAus> ahh yes card games
[05:23] <CarinArr> orange1: x extract, z specifies that it's gzip, v is verbose, f is file
[05:23] <ForgeAus> I'd like to see kpatience grow into something better
[05:23] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: help it along :)
[05:23] <orange1> CarinArr: noted
[05:23] <ForgeAus> plugins and multi-player would be nice additions
[05:24] <orange1> so whats the most popular linux game anyway?
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> orange1: It's called Konsole on my machine. Xterm is another name :)
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> My favorite game is Kate
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[05:24] <orange1> lol
[05:24] <laptop> ?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> get it good enough to handle stuff like yugioh/pokemon cards... then make a ripoff game that uses those kind features and watch others make a plugin for the original copywritten ones :)
[05:24] <ins-dragonclaw> not kidding
[05:25] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw has such a fun life;)
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> i write for fun
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> hey - i'm not complaining
[05:25] <CarinArr> tho i don't really play games.. i'm sure i should do given i'm in the graphics industry
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> whether you code or creative-write, you're creating something new
[05:25] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubotu will be offline for maintenance
[05:25] <ins-dragonclaw> that's the key
[05:25] <CarinArr> well i play console games, just not pc ones much
[05:25] <ForgeAus> Graphics are kewl I'm hopeless at drawing, but great a desgin
[05:25] <firecrotch> Oh noes! Ubotu!
[05:26] <ins-dragonclaw> does anyone know any linux SNES emulators?
[05:26] <ForgeAus> grr design (not sure how that works but it seems to... in my case)
[05:26] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:26] <ForgeAus> zsnes mostly
[05:26] <CarinArr> was playing snes games on my wii the other day *hugs wii*
[05:26] <ForgeAus> (its a multi-platform one for both windows and Linux and mac among others)
[05:26] <orange1> o yea! i did burn a complilation of all the SNES games ever made on 4 cds... maybe i should find those
[05:27] <laptop> Do you like WII?
[05:27] <ForgeAus> hehe orange, they'd probably fit on a single DV
[05:27] <ForgeAus> D
[05:27] <laptop> Ive heard its fun but graphically its dated
[05:27] <ForgeAus> Wii is ok
[05:27] <orange1> ForgeAus: didnt have dvds at that time.
[05:27] <ForgeAus> I'm looking more into PSX3 tho
[05:27] <CarinArr> it is graphically a bit dated
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubugtu will be taken offline and integrated with ubotu - epect some downtime
[05:27] <laptop> PSX3?
[05:27] <CarinArr> but it's great fun
[05:27] <ForgeAus> erm ps3
[05:27] <laptop> oh
[05:27] <laptop> me too
[05:27] <CarinArr> the wiimote makes all the difference
[05:27] <ForgeAus> (the original used to be PSX I still can't get used to dropping the X)
[05:28] <CarinArr> i dunno.. i object to paying a small fortune for a games console
[05:28] <laptop> PS3 should own, ive seen quite a few video clips of games in development and they are quite impressive
[05:28] <laptop> plus, people are running ubuntu on PS3
[05:28] <ForgeAus> of course the re-release of PSX was a PSO
[05:28] <CarinArr> the ps3 starts at 425 or something here
[05:28] <ForgeAus> (for Playstation One)
[05:28] <CarinArr> er 425 odd quid
[05:28] <ForgeAus> I heard PS3 is PS2 and PS1 backward compatible
[05:28] <orange1> are ps2 games able to be emulated yet?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:29] <ForgeAus> pcsx2
[05:29] <ForgeAus> although the emulator for linux isn't in a repository that I noticed
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I had to manually build it
[05:29] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: your pound sign works fine
[05:29] <CarinArr> anyone around here using avant-window-navigator?
[05:29] <CarinArr> ins-dragonclaw: doesn't in my terminal;)
[05:30] <AmyRose> Nice funky L, CarinArr ;P
[05:30] <orange1> whats with the reconnects?
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> peer's on the loose
[05:31] <ForgeAus> http://www.silwenae.org/blog/?p=666  ???
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: the pound showed up as  - which is perfectly normal on my screen
[05:31] <ins-dragonclaw> peer's on a -rampage-
[05:31] <laptop> i like the way Konversation looks
[05:32] <laptop> but I like the way Xchat functions
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> same here
[05:32] <ForgeAus> konversation is ok
[05:32] <ForgeAus> I prefer mIRC tho
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> I like the builtin Konsole
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> and the simplicity
[05:32] <ForgeAus> Konversation feels... incomplete
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> all i want to do is chat - konversation works perfectly for that
[05:32] <AmyRose> mIRC sux cuz it's shareware, and shareware sux
[05:32] <ForgeAus> still nice in most ways
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> ForgeAus: i know what you mean
[05:32] <ins-dragonclaw> but mirc + NNS = too much
[05:32] <laptop> yeah but how can I join multiple servers in konversation?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> I only used mirc when I was a server admin, since it made my life easier
[05:33] <orange1> so many console games in newsgroups -- is it not possible to run them on pc?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> laptop - F7 and type the new address
[05:33] <AmyRose> What's better, Konversation or KVirc?
[05:33] <orange1> kvirc
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> you can join as many servers as you want
[05:33] <martalli> lol -xchat
[05:33] <laptop> hrm
[05:33] <CarinArr> irssi ftw
[05:33] <orange1> xchat is too minimal
[05:33] <laptop> seee
[05:33] <orange1> and its ugly.
[05:33] <laptop> why doesnt it give me a list of servers to connect to in Konversation?
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:33] <ForgeAus> whats NNS?
[05:33] <BluesKaj> actually Konverstion works well ...mirc is more mature , but konverstion is close IMO
[05:33] <ins-dragonclaw> laptop: no server.ini
[05:34] <martalli> Is that right?  I have been using it for years....maybe I will check out kvirc
[05:34] <laptop> thats no cool
[05:34] <ForgeAus> no need for a server.ini
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> No Name Script. Best mIRC addon on the planet
[05:34] <CarinArr> irssi is very good
[05:34] <laptop> Another something I have to memorise?
[05:34] <ForgeAus> irssi is curses but I agree its good
[05:34] <ins-dragonclaw> just add the servers you use
[05:34] <CarinArr> unless you're highly gui dependent
[05:34] <laptop> Life is gui
[05:34] <laptop> gimme a break
[05:34] <redcard> I personally use IRC and Bltbee and SSH
[05:34] <ForgeAus> Xchat and B!tchX are the two most mature *nix gui IRC clients right?
[05:34] <redcard> IRSSI, rather.
[05:35] <CarinArr> bltbee
[05:35] <CarinArr> cute;)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> ssh is an irc client?
[05:35] <laptop> If only Konversation had a server list....it'd be perfect
[05:35] <redcard> ForgeAus: It is when it connects to the server :)
[05:35] <redcard> Then screen -r -d and the IRC pops right up, no matter where i access it from.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> thats like telnetting to an IRC server isn't it?
[05:35] <CarinArr> well no
[05:36] <CarinArr> basically you run irssi inside a screen
[05:36] <BluesKaj> laptop, agreed ..why it doesn't is beyond me :(
[05:36] <redcard> CarinArr: Yeah. :)
[05:36] <CarinArr> and wherever you are you can ssh to that server and resume your screen
[05:36] <ForgeAus> well thats not ssh, thats irssi via ssh
[05:36] <CarinArr> no nasty disconnections
[05:36] <CarinArr> yeah, it's not ssh
[05:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Secure SHell. it's a communications protocol, not an Irc client. lol
[05:37] <redcard> I've occasionally run it thorugh a proxy.. but I'm an old school IRCer.  I've been doing IRC since IRCII and I had a few custom IRC clients that were specially made for a certain group of people.
[05:37] <martalli> Having a curses-based irc client comes in really handy when you break your X and need help from your irc buddies...at least it helped back inthe day.  Since switching back to the debian world, such things are easier to fix
[05:37] <CarinArr> you can telnet to an irc server if you really want to ;)
[05:37] <martalli> telnet 6667
[05:37] <ForgeAus> ircii! now those were the days!
[05:37] <martalli> You need to learn some arcane stuff, though
[05:37] <CarinArr> indeed
[05:37] <ForgeAus> of web browsing via lynx...
[05:37] <laptop> Oh on Konversation how do you set your presence to invisible or private????
[05:37] <AmyRose> And you can't forget to PONG!
[05:37] <ForgeAus> and when gopher used to mean something
[05:37] <AmyRose> or you get kicked off
[05:37] <CarinArr> lol AmyRose
[05:38] <ForgeAus> and archie was for searching ftp's!
[05:38] <martalli> I was using irc back in 1989.  Sometimes we would use the dumb terminals for irc by telnetting to the port 6667
[05:38] <CarinArr> i only just swapped from epic to irssi a couple of months ago
[05:38] <redcard> Personally, IRC's golden age ended with two events.  One, MIRC.  Two, AOL opening up to the net.
[05:38] <CarinArr> and i still use pine for my email
[05:38] <ForgeAus> redcard I disagree
[05:38] <CarinArr> yikes
[05:38] <ForgeAus> mIRC didn't end irc's golden age.. if anythign it bought IRC to the windows masses!
[05:38] <CarinArr> it actually is a decade
[05:38] <CarinArr> i'm so old
[05:39] <redcard> ForgeAus: No.  It didn't.  It brought scriptkiddies into IRC.
[05:39] <laptop> true
[05:39] <redcard> The "Windows Masses" still don't know how to use IRC.
[05:39] <CarinArr> to be honest, not a lot of people used irc bfore mirc
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> redcard: uhuh
[05:39] <ForgeAus> what ended the golden age of IRC was IM's like yahoo, AOL, MSN, and ICQ
[05:39] <laptop> I watched the big servers grow to be enormous using mIRC
[05:39] <ins-dragonclaw> the golden age is -growing-
[05:39] <laptop> yup
[05:40] <jarn> How do I know if I have 6.06 or 6.10?
[05:40] <laptop> and then it led to myspace type sites
[05:40] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[05:40] <ubotwo> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:40] <Tm_T> gah
[05:40] <ForgeAus> CarinArr I don't think thats a fair statement
[05:40] <laptop> now nobody even knows what IRC is
[05:40] <ForgeAus> lots of people used IRC before mIRC was even invented
[05:40] <sasq> hmm there seems to be no music player that handles all formats? except maybe xmms?
[05:40] <CarinArr> jarn: lsb_release -d
[05:40] <Tm_T> !mp3 | sasq
[05:40] <ubotwo> sasq: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:40] <CarinArr> ForgeAus: i'm talking relative to the number of people that do now
[05:40] <ins-dragonclaw> sasq: install libxine-extracodecs and use Amarok
[05:40] <sasq> im talking about other formats
[05:40] <sasq> like mods
[05:40] <laptop> irc is still alive, but its a BOX in someone's Myspace page....they still text to eachother in IRC style
[05:40] <CarinArr> mirc has been around for a fair while tho
 sasq: install libxine-extracodecs and use Amarok
[05:41] <CarinArr> at least 10-11 years
[05:41] <laptop> longer
[05:41] <Tm_T> laptop: CarinArr: that's offtopic
[05:41] <jarn> CarinArr: Thanks. :D
[05:41] <laptop> and?
[05:41] <sasq> and sids
[05:41] <ForgeAus> CarinArr I'm not saying its not the most widely used IRC client (at least among windows users)
[05:41] <Tm_T> laptop: for offtopic issues, there's #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> anyone else running feisty having problems with kde crashing since yesterday's updates?
[05:41] <laptop> unfortunately in Konversation I cant set my presence to private
[05:42] <laptop> so I get ads
[05:42] <AmyRose> Ads??
[05:42] <ForgeAus> that may not be the case nowerdays, but it certainly had to have been at some point - if not still is)
[05:42] <laptop> yeah "come check out my webpage cuz Im hot and sexy..."
[05:42] <laptop> ads
[05:42] <tmbg_> sigh.  manually sending those pongs got so annoying
[05:42] <laptop> esp. on the huge uber servers like undernet or dalnet
[05:42] <tmbg_> especially on the servers that send some kind of token with the ping that you had to answer back with
[05:42] <CarinArr> ForgeAus: i'd keep on this conversation but tm_t will throw a wobbly
[05:43] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:43] <ForgeAus> its ok
[05:43] <ins-dragonclaw> CarinArr: that's why they invented /query ;)
[05:43] <ForgeAus> I at least DO talk Kubuntu as well
[05:43] <Tm_T> CarinArr: ForgeAus: go to -offtopic channel ;)
[05:43] <sasq> at least there are modplayers for audacious, even if theyre not it the apt-database...
[05:43] <ForgeAus> mod! now that was a great music format!
[05:43] <ForgeAus> mostly from Amiga right?
[05:43] <sasq> so I guess thats the player ill set as default, and not amarok... which I found strange
[05:43] <sasq> yeah
[05:43] <ForgeAus> I always preferred mod over midi anyhow
[05:44] <CarinArr> lol
[05:44] <ins-dragonclaw> <3 OGG
[05:44] <ForgeAus> ogg is kewl
[05:44] <CarinArr> from one off topic conversation to another
[05:44] <Tm_T> yup
[05:44] <ForgeAus> wait mods are not necessarily off-topic
[05:44] <Tm_T> feel free to join #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[05:44] <ForgeAus> its a file format...
[05:44] <martalli> I am primarily using ogg - I got a Cowon player that has it and haven't looked back
[05:45] <martalli> Great for podcasts and audio-digests int he car
[05:45] <tmbg_> I understand it's a huge channel with lots of ppl/traffic. but man does on-topic get boring sometimes
[05:45] <CarinArr> i like amarok, apart from the annoying fact that while it'll transfer my music onto my ipod it won't transfer playlists
[05:45] <redcard> Well, what's there really to talk about with Kubuntu?  We're in a lag right now.. that quiet twilight as a new release is imminent, and nobody wants to install Kubuntu, but would rather wait until Feisty comes out
[05:45] <sasq> isnt there at least a sid-plugin for amarok?
[05:45] <CarinArr> tmbg_: well said
[05:45] <sstchur> It seems that kubuntu edgy is not very receptive to installing istanbul?  Has anyone else seen this?
[05:45] <martalli> redcard:  I'm chatting with ya from feisty fawn right now - it works great
[05:45] <CarinArr> but tm_t has a valid point;)
[05:45] <ForgeAus> Tm_T I havn't noticed many
[05:45] <CarinArr> key there is "noticed";)
[05:46] <ForgeAus> if there are I'm willing to answer them If I notice and are able to assist
[05:46] <Tm_T> so stop that foofoo and wait
[05:46] <Tm_T> thanks
[05:46] <ForgeAus> Tm_T why wait?
[05:46] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with putting some C in IRC?
[05:46] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[05:46] <tmbg_> the other danger is if I'm in a channel marked 'offtopic' I might wind up too 'offcolor' heh
[05:46] <ForgeAus> afterall isn't that what its for?
[05:46] <ins-dragonclaw> well.... ForgeAus has a point
[05:47] <ins-dragonclaw> but this is the support channel
[05:47] <CarinArr> before this digresses.. we were pretty solidly offtopic for a long while there, normally you dont get complaints for slight digressions
[05:47] <redcard> This channel is not nearly high traffic enough to start being the "offtopic" police anyway
[05:47] <ForgeAus> besides if I'm in an -offtopic channel there isn't the same list of users there
[05:47] <martalli> Say, I have an on-topic question:  Is there a key sequence for going directly to the (google) search box on konquerer?
[05:47] <Tm_T> martalli: gg
[05:47] <sasq> Now, is there a KDE-player that uses gstreamer ?
[05:47] <twleve> Hello, I woke up to apache2 being crashed. When I try to start it says there are dependencies problems. I try to update them but it doesnt seem to work.'
[05:47] <Tm_T> martalli: but you might need to enable it
[05:47] <ins-dragonclaw> sasq - Kaffeine comes to mind, but i might be wrong
[05:47] <ForgeAus> sasq you know I can't think of one
[05:47] <sasq> seems to have more plugins available
[05:47] <CarinArr> twleve: does it say what dependencies?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> I thought there would have been! but offhand none come to mind
[05:47] <twleve> CarinArr -> apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so
[05:48] <martalli> My son was disappointed not to get the wobbly windows and the switcher on his computer (but it is a little old (p3-600 =)
[05:48] <twleve> I try apt-get upgrade... then apt-get install apache2
[05:48] <ForgeAus> wobbly windows? yeiks!
[05:48] <ForgeAus> nice to see once, maybe 2ce but not to keep!
[05:48] <ins-dragonclaw> that's a cool addon
[05:48] <CarinArr> twleve: did you upgrade those libraries?
[05:48] <Tm_T> martalli: should work
[05:48] <CarinArr> but im addicted to eyecandy
[05:49] <ForgeAus> hehe do the magic lantern minimize and menu effect :)
[05:49] <ForgeAus> you call that eyecandy?
[05:49] <CarinArr> twleve: or did that error start occuring without you touching anything (the latter seems highly unlikely)
[05:49] <twleve> CarinArr: I did apt-get build-dep apache2 ... I think it could be a symlink problem from what I have been reading.. But I am not really sure how to check that? Or to create the new symlinks.
[05:49] <CarinArr> actually.. the magic lantern annoys me
[05:49] <ForgeAus> I must admit I do like the transparency effects tho :)
[05:49] <CarinArr> plus it pauses for a second before it disappears completely
[05:50] <ForgeAus> plus it takes too long
[05:50] <ForgeAus> for the entire effect I mean
[05:50] <CarinArr> twleve: have you checked that the /so files it's looking for actually exist?
[05:50] <martalli> I didn't see much point to wobbly windows, either, but the whole package is kind of nice...just a more attractive way of windows switching and a nice "expose" look-a-like function
[05:51] <CarinArr> i like the sticky windows thing tho
[05:51] <ForgeAus> personally I just like the desktop cube
[05:51] <twleve> Where does apache look for teh /so file? I have the file located in /usr/lib~
[05:51] <CarinArr> for the simple reason that i love putting my laptop on the projector at work and seeing my students goign "wtf"
[05:51] <martalli> Tm_T:  I looked for under configure shortcuts, but I couldn't figure out where to set a shortcut for gong right to the search
[05:51] <ins-dragonclaw> lol CarinArr
[05:51] <Tm_T> martalli: gg:foo I think
[05:51] <Tm_T> not sure though
[05:52] <CarinArr> twleve: sorry. the .so file you said it complained about;)
[05:52] <twleve> CarinArr: Yes, it is in /usr/lib~
[05:52] <ForgeAus> is there any software that makes animated wallpapers?
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (or backgrounds or whatever you want to call them)
[05:52] <ins-dragonclaw> that would be nice, but I don't know
[05:53] <CarinArr> twleve: dunno if i can be of much help i'm afraid. I don't have apache installed here and haven't had for a while
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> i have the kmatrix3d screensaver. Having it as the desktop background would be awesome
[05:53] <ForgeAus> unless you use activeDesktop under Windows I don't know of any other way to have an animated b/g
[05:53] <ForgeAus> I love that screensaver Dragonclaw :)
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> what if you make an animated .gif as the background?
[05:53] <ins-dragonclaw> lol - i have a screenshot from it as my current backdrop. my konsole also uses it :)
[05:54] <twleve> CarinArr: Do you know how I would check to make sure the /so lib is symlink to apache correct?
[05:54] <Ryiel> !vmware
[05:54] <ubotwo> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[05:54] <ForgeAus> wormhole isn't a bad X screensaver either
[05:54] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> i think i'll stick to what i have
[05:55] <ForgeAus> !virtualizers
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> only because i really love it :)
[05:55] <ubotwo> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[05:55] <ForgeAus> fiesty has kvm right?
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> *shrugs* no idea
[05:55] <ForgeAus> (I guess thats for #ubuntu+1 tho)
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: yes
[05:55] <markrian> Sup y'all - I'm having some trouble with katapult. If I type in part of a track I have in amarok, katapult finds it alright, but when I hit enter, nothing happens. Any ideas as to what the problem is?
[05:55] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> ForgeAus: at least the e-mail announcing it's beta claimed so. I've never used it :)
[05:56] <CarinArr> i use solar winds
[05:56] <ForgeAus> !cxoffice
[05:56] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:56] <ForgeAus> awww
[05:56] <ins-dragonclaw> !life
[05:56] <ForgeAus> it knows cedega but not cxoffice .. how sad
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !getting-high
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> lol it hates me
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !kppp
[05:57] <ubotwo> kppp - modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> my saviour...
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> !knetload
[05:57] <ubotwo> knetload - a network meter for Kicker - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[05:57] <aaron_> can I upgrade 6.06 to 6.10 from inside the konsole
[05:57] <ins-dragonclaw> 'available in Ubuntu 6.10' - now why don't i have it?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> aaron apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:58] <martalli> kvirc or kvirc2?  Why are both in the repositories?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> needs a sudo on the front of it tho
[05:58] <ForgeAus> theres also a ksirc
[05:59] <aaron_> it didnt upgrade anything
[05:59] <martalli> no, both kvirc and kvirc2
[05:59] <martalli> oh well, i will just install kvirc2
[05:59] <aaron_> is there a repository I need to add or something
[05:59] <twleve> Does anyone know how to check if apache2 is reading the correct /so lib files? Where do I tell apache about those /so files?
[06:00] <CarinArr> aaron_: what are you upgrading from and what do you want to upgrade to?
[06:00] <el-grecco> saludso terricolas
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> agge nee
[06:00] <ForgeAus> twelve do the man pages give you any info?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> either that or google them
[06:00] <aaron_> I want to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10
[06:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ok. how do I update the apt-get thingy? with the latest list of available packages?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> but from what I gather from what your saying a sym link should do ....
[06:00] <ForgeAus> but I don't know enough about apache specifically to help you much
[06:00] <twleve> ForgeAus: I did man apache2 ... then I try to run apache2 in debug but it wont let me. The only error I get is apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.2.so:
[06:01] <BluesKaj> hmm, mplayer has a problem ... "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device". It's not a big problem but some sites that use WM also won't play with the mplayer plugin :( ...any ideas ?
[06:01] <aaron_> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-get update
[06:01] <ForgeAus> yeah, but is it because the library doesn't exist? or because of some other reason?
[06:01] <ForgeAus> aaron I think you need to change your repos to say the distro you want to upgrade to
[06:01] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: find out what vo it's using by default
[06:02] <twleve> ForgeAus: the library does exhist.. I found it in -> /usr/lib~ ... But I dont think apache knows it is there. how do I make the symlink? I found some stuff in google, but I dont know how to create the file.
[06:02] <aaron_> ok how do I do that
[06:02] <CarinArr> aaron_: i think you need to change the dapper's in /etc/apt/sources.list to edgy
[06:02] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, apt-get update is running. thanks aaron_
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (ie if your currently got deb http://archive.ubuntu.org/ edgy you might want to change it to feisty or if you have dapper change it to edgy etc...
[06:02] <ForgeAus> (depending on which distro you have and which distro you want to go to)
[06:02] <aaron_> Carinarr: how do I do that
[06:02] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[06:02] <ubotwo> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:03] <ForgeAus> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <Tm_T> aaron_: look tat
[06:03] <ForgeAus> or in adept click on manage repositories
[06:03] <CarinArr> aaron_: uh.. you open the file, then you change the things that say dapper to say edgy
[06:03] <Tm_T> aaron_: just look that wikipage
[06:04] <ForgeAus> Tm_T is Aaron using Dapper tho?
[06:04] <CarinArr> he is
[06:04] <CarinArr> he just said;)
[06:04] <ForgeAus> oh ok I tend to forget details like that too easily
[06:04] <twleve> ForgeAus ^^ do you know how to make the symlinks?
[06:04] <ForgeAus> ahh yeah from 6.06 to 6.10
[06:05] <ForgeAus> twleve I had trouble doing that I personally do it with krusader (a drag n drop way, link here)
[06:05] <ForgeAus> but there is a cli command, is it ln or link?
[06:05] <Tm_T> twleve: ln -s source dest
[06:06] <ForgeAus> there see Tm_T knows :)
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[06:06] <ins-dragonclaw> yes Tm_T does
[06:06] <sasq> Why does the gstreamer page list Amarok as an application ?
[06:06] <Tm_T> twleve: or drag-drop in konqueror
[06:06] <ForgeAus> Konqueror can also do it somehow
[06:06] <aaron_> Tm_T
[06:06] <Tm_T> (it'll ask if copy or move or link)
[06:06] <Tm_T> aaron_: yes?
[06:07] <aaron_> I got it running right now and it is working fine
[06:07] <aaron_> I just copied the info into the konsole
[06:07] <Tm_T> good
[06:07] <ForgeAus> Tm_T does that work for directories to?
[06:07] <aaron_> and it is upgrading to edgy
[06:07] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: why not?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, vo ?
[06:07] <aaron_> cross your fingers and hope it works
[06:07] <ForgeAus> I don't know I was just curious...
[06:07] <Tuzlo> what is the command to reconfigure X?
[06:07] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[06:08] <ForgeAus> um Tuzlo something like:  dpkg -configure xorg-xserver (from memory)
[06:08] <Tm_T> !xorg
[06:08] <ubotwo> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:08] <Tuzlo> k
[06:08] <CarinArr> tuzlo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:08] <sasq> Can amarok be compiled against gstreamer instead of xine? If so, do I have to do that manually or is there a kubuntu package for it?
[06:08] <Tuzlo> does anyone know if raDEON 9200 haS  issues with X?
[06:08] <ForgeAus> actually for screen res you can use xrandr
[06:09] <Tm_T> Tuzlo: not special issues IIRC
[06:09] <ForgeAus> being ATI its probably not going to be easy
[06:09] <ForgeAus> !ATI
[06:09] <ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <Tm_T> sasq: no gstreamer support in amarok because there hasn
[06:09] <twleve> Does anyone know of a website with help for getting touchscreen to work with ubuntu? Its a Panasonic Toughbook.
[06:09] <Tuzlo> ugh
[06:09] <Tm_T> sasq: ... 't been gst engine maintainer
[06:09] <sasq> bummer
[06:10] <Tm_T> Tuzlo: doesn't work rightaway?
[06:10] <Tm_T> sasq: tell me about it
[06:10] <infbliss> what is the command for hibernate in kubuntu
[06:10] <Tuzlo> my monitor is tellin me the freq's are out of tolerance from what they should be
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[06:10] <ForgeAus> twleve does touchscreen work off a synaptic pad driver?
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> i know the feeling
[06:10] <aaron_> so what echancements do I get in edgy
[06:10] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, wouldn't the video out device be the dvdrom ?
[06:10] <ForgeAus> if so theres some packages you can install for synaptic touchpad functionality...
[06:10] <ins-dragonclaw> my update stalled
[06:10] <aaron_> will the 3d acceleration work better
[06:10] <ForgeAus> but other than that I don't know
[06:10] <infbliss> !hibernate
[06:10] <ubotwo> hibernate - smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk) - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[06:11] <twleve> ForgeAus, From what I have found it works off the serial. Its a PNK touchscreen. I found some place but they want 150.00 to install the driver.. which is total bs.. its linux why would I pay for a driver
[06:11] <aaron_> lol
[06:11] <infbliss> what is the command for hibernate in kubuntu
[06:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: no? do mplayer -vo help
[06:12] <aaron_> they seriously want you to pay that to install a damn driver
[06:12] <sasq> So which is the best gstreamer-based MUSIC player ?
[06:12] <infbliss> sasq: totem
[06:12] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: xv is mostly good choice
[06:13] <ForgeAus> twleve I don't know being a serial device its probably some custom driver, I have no idea how to handle that... maybe try googling for more info?
[06:13] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: but, do "mplayer video.foo" to see what vo it uses by default (might be some foofoo that is totally wrong for you)
[06:14] <aaron_> will 6.10 be able to upgrade to 7.0 or something
[06:14] <CarinArr> twleve: i take it you've seen : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=485053&page=3
[06:14] <BluesKaj> it was working fine before I had an X11 problem and had to roll back to a previous date of xorg.conf
[06:15] <LjL> aaron_: 7.04. of course.
[06:15] <aaron_> cool
[06:15] <aaron_> cant wait
[06:15] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: yes, mind to pastebin your xorg.conf?
[06:15] <aaron_> this way you dont have to like reformat or burn a damn cd to upgrade your distro
[06:15] <LjL> some people do recommend fresh install over upgrades, but upgrading is definitely possible, supported and easy - unless something goes wrong
[06:15] <Tm_T> LjL: fresh install... yuck!
[06:16] <aaron_> I was using linux in the days of redhat in like 1999 and that was the only way I could figure out how to do it
[06:16] <LjL> Tm_T: i said some people, i didn't say me :)
[06:16] <LjL> there's not *too* much of a difference, though, when you have a separate /home partition and haven't touched much in /etc
[06:16] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T pastebin it is
[06:16] <Tm_T> LjL: well, I said yuck to those who recommend ;)
[06:16] <martalli> I wonder - Could you use the cd along with the online repos at the same time?
[06:16] <Tm_T> !pastebin
[06:16] <ubotwo> pastebin-#kubuntu is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <martalli> That way, you could do an upgrade, but decrease the amount of bandwidth necessary (like upgrading a whole office, not one single home computer)
[06:17] <Tm_T> martalli: yes
[06:17] <LjL> martalli: yes but only with the Alternate CD
[06:17] <Tm_T> LjL: good addition :)
[06:17] <LjL> the Desktop CD won't work for that since it doesn't really have .deb packages on it
[06:17] <martalli> Tm_T: LjL: Or the dvd?
[06:17] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm... does anyone know where kubuntu keeps its local DNS cache?
[06:18] <ForgeAus> sofar Kubntu 7.x is feisty
[06:18] <sasq> hmm... stupid question maybe but how do I samba mount ?
[06:18] <martalli> Is the desktop CD more of a binary image of a basic install, like mepis (or like I imagine mepis to be)
[06:18] <LjL> if you type "sudo apt-cdrom add" with the alternate cd in the drive, you'll have its repos automatically added martalli. don't know about the DVD, there *is* an Alternate DVD to start with?
[06:18] <Tm_T> martalli: yes somewhat
[06:18] <Tuzlo> ok, im trying dpkg --configure xorg-xserver
[06:18] <aaron_> whats nice is that I can run the newest versions of linux on here but if I wanted to run windows I would have to upgrade. So linux slams windows basically
[06:18] <LjL> martalli: in a (networked) office environment, a better idea is probably to set up a local repository
[06:18] <Tuzlo> its sayin that xorg-server isnt installed how do I found out which server is installed
[06:18] <ForgeAus> (the successor to edgy which is in something like beta testing?  rght now)
[06:18] <LjL> that's not hard at all martalli, since there are a couple of packages to do exactly that
[06:19] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  http://www.pastebin.ca/409314
[06:19] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: will look
[06:19] <sasq> infblis: And isnt totem a movie-player o?
[06:19] <martalli> LjL:  How much space would that take?  I have a VIA C3 based computer with a 400gb hard drive
[06:19] <martalli> (in that office)
[06:19] <chijin> heh i managed to delete the /boot partition with the windows xp installer, is there any way to remake the partition? grub doesn't find anything and i can't boot into linux
[06:20] <LjL> martalli, it depends on how much is upgraded, i couldn't say. i'd say that a normal upgrade takes, like... 300 megs of downloads? probably. i don't remember what apt-get said when i upgraded
[06:20] <chijin> i booted the live cd and all the kernel files etc were in the /boot directory
[06:20] <chijin> but how do i boot?
[06:20] <eth01> hey
[06:21] <martalli> Mine had a few gigabytes when I upgraded my son's edubuntu computer
[06:21] <martalli> well, maybe 1-2 gb
[06:21] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: and did you do that mplayer test I said?
[06:21] <BluesKaj> yes
[06:21] <martalli> I guess I could google it in the future
[06:21] <Tm_T> and?
[06:21] <eth01> which is best edubuntu or kubuntu?
[06:21] <Tm_T> eth01: for what?
[06:21] <c1|freaky> i like kubuntu most
[06:21] <c1|freaky> ;p
[06:21] <BluesKaj> Failed to open video.foo.
[06:21] <eth01> grahpics
[06:21] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: and?
[06:21] <eth01> look
[06:21] <eth01> lol
[06:22] <c1|freaky> edubuntu is for schools and stuff with a lot of educational applications which are still available in kubuntu though
[06:22] <LjL> martalli: wait, 1-2gb of *compressed* .debs? that sounds like quite a lot. though i guess it all depends on how much software you have installed...
[06:22] <LjL> anyway, 400gb will be plenty for anything ;)
[06:22] <c1|freaky> and i think kubuntu (with KDE) looks better than edubuntu which uses gnome i think?
[06:22] <eth01> ok
[06:22] <LjL> !approx > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: what did it say about vo ?
[06:22] <LjL> !apt-proxy > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <c1|freaky> but im not sure what edubuntu uses
[06:22] <c1|freaky> but edubuntu is more for educational stuff
[06:22] <martalli> LjL:  Just about every game in the repos, lol
[06:22] <c1|freaky> kubuntu is for home/office usage
[06:22] <c1|freaky> as ubuntu is
[06:22] <LjL> !apt-cacher > martalli    (martalli, see the private message from Ubotu)
[06:22] <eth01> i like kubuntu
[06:23] <c1|freaky> same here ;D
[06:23] <eth01> does that run blitzbee?
[06:23] <c1|freaky> i like the new design stuff in feisty ;D
[06:23] <eth01> yea
[06:23] <martalli> edubuntu is a variation of the ubuntu gnome
[06:23] <c1|freaky> u can install bittlbee
[06:23] <eth01> its cool
[06:23] <eth01> ahh
[06:23] <eth01> package?
[06:23] <c1|freaky> try apt-cache search bittlbee or how it is spelled
[06:23] <c1|freaky> bitlbee
[06:23] <eth01> ye
[06:24] <meme_mutation> heya... anybody here who uses DigiKam and KIPI-plugins to export images to Flickr: is there any way to export your existing tags (in DigiKam) to Flickr, with the photos
[06:24] <eth01> i used kde with freebsd before this
[06:24] <chijin> any idea how do i create a boot partition?
[06:24] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  mplayer test >  http://www.pastebin.ca/409324
[06:24] <meme_mutation> :-.
[06:24] <Mena> I still have a problem with this erorr http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12018/
[06:24] <eth01> so its a big move :P
[06:24] <Mena> Plzsome one see it
[06:24] <eth01> if u want a fast paste bin use > spookedout.org/pastebin :D
[06:24] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I meant "mplayer video.foo" as trying to play something
[06:25] <BluesKaj> File not found: 'video.foo'
[06:25] <BluesKaj> Failed to open video.foo.
[06:26] <n6rej> anyone know of a good audio cd to mp3 creator??
[06:26] <n6rej> xfce is the front end on the server where I want to store them
[06:26] <jhutchins> Mena: That's output from apt-get update?
[06:26] <aaron_> oh crap
[06:26] <nixternal> n6rej: as long as you have the plugins/libs installed, K3b can rip to whatever you want it to
[06:26] <aaron_> it stopped upgrading
[06:26] <c1|freaky> what other program is there like bitlbee which makes an index of my files?
[06:26] <Mena> jhutchins, Yes
[06:27] <nixternal> KAudioCreator is another ripper as well
[06:27] <aaron_> like crashed half way through
[06:27] <aaron_> damn
[06:27] <HymnToLife> !abcde
[06:27] <ubotu> abcde: A Better CD Encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 103 kB, installed size 300 kB
[06:27] <n6rej> BluesKaj: I've had to reinstall Ku 3x now, I keep getting initramfs failures :(
[06:27] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  video foo > http://www.pastebin.ca/409322
[06:27] <HymnToLife> light, fast, gets the job done
[06:27] <HymnToLife> period :p
[06:27] <n6rej> nixternal: kool ty!
[06:27] <nixternal> c1|freaky: bitlbee is the IM>IRC gateway. how would that go with index of files?
[06:27] <c1|freaky> oh ok ;p
[06:27] <c1|freaky> i didnt say anything ;p
[06:27] <eth01> blitbee is the best :P lol
[06:27] <eth01> all n 1
[06:27] <jarn> How do I apply a patch that patches multiple files?
[06:27] <nixternal> hehe
[06:27] <eth01> all in 1
[06:28] <nixternal> I can't live w/o bitlbee
[06:28] <c1|freaky> im looking for something which indexes my files
[06:28] <BluesKaj> Ku 3x n6rej ?
[06:28] <nixternal> actually I could, but my family isn't up on IRC
[06:28] <eth01> how about gaim?
[06:28] <c1|freaky> so i can find things fast
[06:28] <eth01> lol
[06:28] <eth01> :P
[06:28] <aaron_> in edgy does the gl stuff work better out of curiosity
[06:28] <n6rej> wow, thats nice and small
[06:28] <eth01> likewise lol ;p
[06:28] <aaron_> because I want to play quake 3
[06:28] <sentence> hi
[06:28] <n6rej> BluesKaj: Kubuntu 3 times
[06:28] <jhutchins> Mena: I would suggest re-generating your /etc/apt/sources.list with source-o-matic.
[06:28] <jhutchins> !easysources | Mena
[06:28] <ubotu> Mena: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:28] <Mena> ok
[06:28] <eth01> im swopping over in a min
[06:28] <sentence> mother fuckers
[06:28] <eth01> to kubuntu from win xp for eva
[06:28] <jhutchins> c1|freaky: Locate
[06:29] <c1|freaky> jhutchins: i mean some desktop variant
[06:29] <aaron_> and It would be really good if there was better support for my Radeon 9250
[06:29] <c1|freaky> i thought kubuntu runs one by default
[06:29] <n6rej> sentence language please this is a family affair
[06:29] <c1|freaky> but it disapeared maybe i even removed it ^
[06:29] <c1|freaky> just looking for the name
[06:29] <jhutchins> aaron_: Ok, get to work on it then.
[06:29] <n6rej> ty op
[06:30] <aaron_> get to work on what
[06:30] <aaron_> I dont know anything about making drivers