[00:00] <stapel> how do i change the theme back to the default?
[00:00] <coz_> stapel, default gtk theme?
[00:01] <Jeruvy> well finally got a dvd to play....really poorly :)
[00:01] <coz_> system/preferences/appearance   customize
[00:01] <coz_> Jeruvy,  I was about to ask about that myself  what did you do?
[00:01] <coz_> Jeruvy,  because it refuses to play here disabling the dvd rom
[00:01] <stapel> coz_: Like on a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[00:02] <Jeruvy> I installed the medibuntu packages, and ubuntu-restricted-extras, so now both totem and vlc play, but ton of video and audio artifacting thats just crap.
[00:02] <coz_> stapel,  I believe that is the clearlooks theme
[00:02] <coz_> Jeruvy,  damn
[00:02] <stapel> coz_: for UNR?
[00:02] <coz_> oh
[00:02] <coz_> stapel,  no  I havent run UNR  for a while now
[00:03] <coz_> sorry I dont know
[00:03] <coz_> stapel,  right click desktop  or click one of the links in the side bars?
[00:04]  * Jeruvy is going to try some other dvd's for giggles
[00:04] <stapel> coz_: right click does nothing
[00:04] <NoelJB> coz_, the constrain thing is an open bug
[00:04] <coz_> stapel, mm   let me check
[00:04] <stapel> coz_: which links in the sidebar?
[00:04] <coz_> NoelJB,  ah thanks i was wondering about that  :)
[00:05] <stapel> coz_: thanx
[00:05] <nick125> Anyone here notice that the battery OSD is a bit......off?
[00:05] <NoelJB> coz_, come to think of it, I could ask Amaranth about it ...
[00:05] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Summary? :)
[00:06] <stapel> is there a UNR specific room?
[00:06] <coz_> stapel,  isnt there a Preferences button on the left  panel?
[00:06] <NoelJB> Amaranth, if coz_ and I are talking about the same thing?  bug 82654
[00:07] <coz_> stapel,  my guess is if you click Preferences you will get to appearance dialog
[00:07] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Oh, notice Fix Committed :)
[00:07] <coz_> cool
[00:07] <stapel> coz_: No...UNR layout changed a bit...there is only a left panel now...and system takes you to preferences
[00:07] <NoelJB> yes on 9/28.  but not released :-)
[00:07] <Amaranth> We had to change the way constrain worked before we could turn it back on
[00:07] <coz_> stapel,  ah ok then systems it is :)
[00:08] <Amaranth> So now upstream constrain is ignored when using the window menu's move option or moving with alt-click and resize is also constrained
[00:08] <stapel> ok...I've got appearance open...how do I get back to default theme?
[00:08] <Amaranth> So that combined with the change made in the packaging will fix the bug
[00:08] <coz_> stapel,  not sure as I said I dont have UNR installed but there should a dialog for changing themes
[00:08] <NoelJB> Amaranth, any idea when that will go to Fix Released?
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's not Fix Released because I'm hoping we'll have an 0.8.4 release soonish and we can just use that instead of another git snapshot
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Before RC? :)
[00:09] <stapel> coz_: customize...
[00:09] <NoelJB> Amaranth, so [Any Day | Real Soon] Now
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Yeah
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Either a couple days after an upstream 0.8.4 release or some time before RC, whichever happens first :)
[00:10] <coz_> Amaranth,  0.8.4 still up for tomorrow?
[00:10] <Amaranth> coz_: That was just me being hopeful
[00:10] <NoelJB> Amaranth, someone really should flesh out the bio at wikipedia :-p
[00:10] <coz_> Amaranth,  :)   oh then I went for it as well  :)
[00:10] <Amaranth> coz_: We've got all the pieces in place except for a review of the one more fix we want to get in
[00:11] <Amaranth> coz_: Once that gets reviewed and committed we just need someone to do it
[00:11] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok cool  I will ask again in the channel
[00:11] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Feel free :)
[00:11] <NoelJB> LOL
[00:11] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok cool  :)
[00:11] <indicava> so I updated my karmic install several times since the beta release and still no new login screen :( how come, screenshots on the web show for a clean karmic beta install
[00:11] <DanaG> anyway, I fixed all my stuff, and now it does boot rather decently quickly.
[00:12] <Amaranth> coz_: btw, Constrain Y disabling itself is because the person who changed the default option didn't know how compiz worked well at the time so set a gconf system default for that option
[00:12] <coz_> Amaranth,  oh!  ok  ..well I expected issues with beta  so it comes as no surprise :)
[00:13] <coz_> although icons missing under Place is a bit weird :)
[00:13] <coz_> Places
[00:13] <Amaranth> by design
[00:14] <coz_> oh!
[00:14] <coz_> Amaranth,  why was that?
[00:14] <Amaranth> You mean the last 3 items, right?
[00:14] <coz_> yep
[00:14] <ArkoldThos> anyone here lost the sound while upgrading?
[00:14] <Amaranth> Menu items that aren't objects have no menu items
[00:14] <Amaranth> coz_: you'll notice menu and button items gone from almost everywhere
[00:14] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok  interesting...why the change    this time around?
[00:15] <Amaranth> s/items/icons/
[00:15] <NoelJB> coz_, upstream (gnome) did/wanted it.  they think it is cleaner
[00:15] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[00:15] <Amaranth> coz_: was an upstream usability decision, too many icons makes the UI look cluttered
[00:15] <NoelJB> there is a bug report on it somewhere, but I don't have it handy.
[00:15] <DanaG> hmm, I've done a restore-from-backup-onto-new-partition.
[00:15] <coz_> ok  I guess I can used to this arrangment then :)
[00:16] <Jeruvy> well dvd playback is very mixed.    This must be due to libdvdcss2 since uncompressed/unencrypted movies play fine.
[00:16] <indicava> I get the new login screen background, but the user chooser is still the one from the alpha release so is the bottom panel, why is that?
[00:19] <roffe>  I really like the new wallpaper that changes every 30(?) minutes. Does anyone know what will be the official wallpaper?
[00:20] <NoelJB> roffe, huh?  my wallpaper doesn't change.
[00:21] <ArkoldThos> sound doesn't work and im unable to open system settings (kubuntu)
[00:22] <roffe> NoelJB, the one with stars and pictures of the earth etc
[00:22] <NoelJB> roffe, screensaver or desktop background?
[00:22] <roffe> desktop background
[00:23] <NoelJB> roffe, I just have this sort of yellow brown one that came out recently.
[00:24] <roffe> I think it came with the beta
[00:24] <ArkoldThos> DAMN konsole is getting frozen using autocomplete
[00:24] <roffe> Perhaps you haven't downloaded the latest files
[00:24] <NoelJB> roffe, I have.  Is there something you've added to cause them to switch/rotate?
[00:25] <roffe> NoelJB, If I haven't completely forgot about it, I don't think I've done anything but update Ubuntu. Has anyone else got the wallpaper that changes?
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/402050
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> wtf is that spammer..
[00:26] <Jeruvy> roffe: no, whats the package?
[00:26] <LjL> Ian_Corne: ?
[00:26] <NoelJB> roffe, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[00:27] <roffe> NoelJB, Ubuntu. Perhaps I have downloaded the wallpapers then :)
[00:28] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's the space wallpaper
[00:28] <NoelJB> roffe, do you have wallpaper-tray installed?
[00:28] <roffe> It's a really neat(IMO) that changes about every 30 minutes. Now that I think about it I think I got quite many new wallpapers including this
[00:28] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's actually a series of wallpapers that change over time
[00:29] <Volkodav1> is there a way to transfer all accounts and settings from for thunderd-3.0 from jaunty to karmic without entering all the stuff again ?
[00:29] <DanaG> roffe: ah yeah, the xml file wallpaper... it tells Gnome how often to change the images, and how to fade them.
[00:29] <Volkodav1> I guess copy all profile and folders ?
[00:29] <Amaranth> roffe: Does it change smoothly for you? For me it just suddenly switches from one to the other (it used to fade)
[00:30] <roffe> Amaranth, As far as I can remember it has only switched instantly. Fading would be preferable, though
[00:30] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what package?  I saw drapes and wallpaper-tray, but neither of those is what you seem to be mentioning.
[00:30] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It actually ships with the screensavers, it's the same images as the Cosmos screensaver
[00:30] <Amaranth> NoelJB: but you should have it either way
[00:31] <NoelJB> How do I enable it?  Not sure if I want it, but curious, now.
[00:31] <Amaranth> NoelJB: You should see a picture of space in the list of backgrounds in appearance properties
[00:32] <NoelJB> Amaranth, yes.  but it isn't intuitive that selecting it would lead to a rotating background :-)
[00:32] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It does have a little arrow under it
[00:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, no it does not.  but now that you mention it, I see that it has an outline indicating that there are multiple things there.
[00:33] <yang_> Hey, can somebody help me with a dns issue?
[00:33] <RPG_Master> So, anymore info about the flash issue?
[00:33] <NoelJB> it looks like a slight fanned card deck.
[00:33] <Amaranth> RPG_Master: You mean where did my clicks go?
[00:34] <NoelJB> ah, the arrow appears when it is selected.
[00:34] <Amaranth> NoelJB: the arrow appears after you select it
[00:34] <RPG_Master> Amaranth: yeah
[00:34] <NoelJB> Amaranth, interesting.  I could see doing something like that for myself, but with my own images.
[00:34] <Amaranth> RPG_Master: Just that it only affects some flash (streaming videos, mostly) and happens with every WM instead of just compiz
[00:34] <RPG_Master> Amaranth:  Like, you can watch a youtube video but you can't pause it
[00:34] <RPG_Master> right?
[00:35] <Amaranth> right
[00:35] <mercutio22> help, I am reveiving a video call in empathy but I see no way to answer that an d end the ringing!! hehehehe
[00:35] <Amaranth> Oh, and it doesn't matter if you use nspluginwrapper or not, it still happens
[00:35] <mercutio22> what the heck
[00:35] <RPG_Master> Whats weird is flash works perfect Epiphany :/
[00:35] <RPG_Master> *in
[00:36] <RPG_Master> I am actually starting to like Epiphany :)
[00:36] <coz_> ok I officially dont like the lack of icons  :)
[00:37] <RPG_Master> but there are a few Firefox add-ons I kinda miss....
[00:37] <RPG_Master> Ubiquity, Read It Later... actually thats it :P
[00:38] <RPG_Master> Anyone else here using Epiphany?
[00:38] <RPG_Master> Its quiet nice now that its using Webkit :)
[00:38] <thiebaude> RPG_Master, it didn't work for me
[00:39] <RPG_Master> Epiphany?
[00:39] <thiebaude> RPG_Master, yea, i set it up, but couln't connect to irc
[00:40] <RPG_Master> Wait, how do you connect to IRC through a web browser?
[00:40] <RPG_Master> :(
[00:40] <RPG_Master> and he leaves me....
[00:40] <Ian_Corne> :)
[00:40] <test34> RPG_Master, http://java.freenode.net/ is one way
[00:41] <virtuald> so... what am i missing that alerts me when someone sends me an message through empathy?
[00:52] <zmjjmz> ANyone else here use 9.10 beta on a dell mini 9?
[00:59] <RPG_Master> I am afraid of trying Gnome-shell :|
[00:59] <RPG_Master> I am afraid it'll mess up something :/
[00:59] <gorgonzola> hello. does anyone know where to report bugs against packages in kubuntu ppas?
[00:59] <RPG_Master> Is it safe to try?
[01:00] <RPG_Master> gorgonizer: Launchpad maybe :/
[01:00] <RPG_Master> I am not sure
[01:00] <BUGabundo> not always
[01:00] <RPG_Master> I don't file bugs often :P
[01:00] <BUGabundo> not all teams have a BTS on LP
[01:00] <BUGabundo> sometimes you just have to contact dev
[01:00] <BUGabundo> in case of Kubuntu packages
[01:00] <Amaranth> gorgonzola: If it's the official kubuntu ppa just file bugs against the ubuntu packages but make sure you mention the package version
[01:00] <RPG_Master> Ah, sorry.
[01:00] <BUGabundo> just file against regutlar kubuntu
[01:01] <BUGabundo> and state version and PPA used
[01:01] <eternal_p> evening all..anyone have any idea why my ubuntu-desktop is being held back on my updates ?
[01:01] <zmjjmz> anyone here use 9.10 with dell mini 9?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> or what ever Amaranth said
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I hate beeing lagged :\
[01:02] <chris_> is there any way to get amarok to work in 9.1?
[01:03] <Volkodav1> will deluge ppa work for Karmic ?
[01:03] <Volkodav1> it is not listed there yet
[01:03] <eternal_p> volkodav1: I'm using it, just put in jaunty
[01:04] <Volkodav1> ok
[01:05] <chris_> does anyone have amarok working?
[01:05] <ArkoldThos> chris_, the dependencies aren't yet upgraded
[01:06] <ArkoldThos> just wait for tomorrow and update the package list, then upgrade
[01:06] <Volkodav1> exaile is almost the same thing in gtk
[01:06] <ArkoldThos> but exaile goes crazy with 40k songs xd
[01:07] <Amaranth> chris_: Try again tomorrow evening (UTC)
[01:07] <Amaranth> ArkoldThos: Actually the packaging was just broken
[01:07] <Dai> exaile is the reason we have the saying "those that do not understand amarok are doomed to repeat it poorly.  in python."  okay, so we don't actually have that saying, but it's true.
[01:07] <Amaranth> banshee ftw
[01:08]  * DanaG uses quodlibet.
[01:08] <Dai> mpd ftw :)
[01:08] <DanaG> The only thing I don't like about it, is that it spams notifications on track change.
[01:08] <Amaranth> Banshee: Proving amarok developers don't know how to use sqlite since 2008.
[01:08] <DanaG> And notify-osd gets backlogged way too easily.
[01:08] <Dai> Amaranth: amarok doesn't use sqlite anymore though
[01:08] <ArkoldThos> i liked hwen amarok used mysql server
[01:08] <Amaranth> Dai: That was the point
[01:08] <ArkoldThos> and amarok doensn't use sqlite anymore :p, they moved just to mysql lite or smth
[01:09] <Dai> ArkoldThos: they do use a mysql server, if you so choose
[01:09] <Amaranth> They claim sqlite is too slow
[01:09] <Dai> you haven't used it recently, i'm guessing
[01:09] <ArkoldThos> dai, what amarok we are talking about, 1.4 or 2?
[01:09] <Dai> ArkoldThos: 2
[01:09] <ArkoldThos> :O!
[01:09] <Amaranth> Meanwhile banshee has been demo'ed with 1,000,000 entries and a filter/search time of a couple seconds
[01:09] <chris_> Amaranth: ok thanks, how do you know something is happening tomorrow though? just curious i dont know how all of this works
[01:10] <ArkoldThos> they summit new packages on x day
[01:10] <Amaranth> chris_: Tomorrow Kubuntu developers will be back at work and notice :)
[01:10] <Dai> as of post-2.1 development, external mysql has been available, as of 2.2 proper, you can actually do it with the GUI :)
[01:10] <ArkoldThos> not sure about ubuntu dev cycle :o or how they do
[01:11] <gorgonizer> chris_: I managed to build my own version of Amarok 2.2 for AMD64 from the sources :)
[01:11] <Amaranth> ubuntu development nearly grinds to a halt on the weekends
[01:11] <Dai> ArkoldThos: if you haven't checked out amarok due to 2.x being horrible, 2.2 might change your mind, it brings back most of what made amarok great (and in better form), and the interface is finally user-configurable.
[01:12] <Amaranth> Dai: So it's really more of a "build your own music player" toolbox
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> nope
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> im using amarok 2 since beta
[01:12] <damagu> Can anyone tell what "Not available in the current data" means in relation to the app store?
[01:13] <ArkoldThos> Dai, plus i traslated all weekly announcements of amarok 2 :p
[01:13] <Amaranth> damagu: Need more context. Where do you see this?
[01:13] <damagu> Amaranth: when I try to install stuff using the app store.
[01:13] <Amaranth> "stuff"?
[01:14] <RPG_Master_> :O
[01:14] <RPG_Master_> Gnome-shell is trippy :D
[01:15] <Dai> Amaranth: sort of.  you can get rid of that terrible middle panel, stack panels, move the player bar around...  it's still not *perfect*, but it's a whole lot better than 2.0 or 2.1.  oh, and they've fixed most of the bugs in collectionmanager, which is why i quit using it - it actually *deleted* some of my music when trying to arrange it with 2.1 >:(
[01:15] <Amaranth> damagu: Oh, that just means the details of the package aren't available
[01:15] <damagu> Amaranth: just about anything. I just installed Karmic and my touchpad isn't working properly so I tried to install synaptic touchpad. Also the drivers for my gpu.
[01:15]  * RPG_Master_ is running gnome-shell right now
[01:15] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, and?
[01:15]  * Amaranth hates RPG_Master_ now
[01:15] <damagu> Amaranth: so does that mean I can still install stuff that displays the message?
[01:16] <Amaranth> damagu: As far as I can tell looking at the code
[01:16] <NoelJB> DanaG, "Notify-osd gets backlogged way too easily" and loses messages?
[01:16] <DanaG> no, but it makes them useless.
[01:16] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: :O why :(
[01:16] <damagu> I'm running it on my Macbook Pro 3,1
[01:16] <DanaG> Skip 8 tracks, and it will take 3 or 5 minutes before you see the notification for what track you ended on.
[01:17] <Amaranth> DanaG: Bug in the app
[01:17] <damagu> got wireless OOTB. Touchpad is not responsive to changes in the touchpad settings
[01:17] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, Amaranth is the compiz author!
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> O_O
[01:17] <DanaG> At least it was fine with notification-daemon.... they stacked all at once, and then disappeared all at once.
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> REALLY!?!?
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> O_O
[01:17] <damagu> No hardware drivers display in system > admin > hardware drivers window
[01:17] <damagu> is that normal?
[01:17] <Amaranth> DanaG: When they create a notification they're supposed to hold on to a handle for it and when they want to show a new one see if that one still exists and update it instead
[01:18] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, and Gnome (Shell) is locking compiz out of the future, and compiz doesn't really have the resources to create a 3rd desktop shell (KDE, Gnome, CompizDE).
[01:18] <damagu> Also, is UbuntuOne not working yet?
[01:18] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: I'm the ubuntu maintainer for compiz, not the primary author :P
[01:18] <Amaranth> Although I've written a couple of plugins too
[01:18] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Oh, still pretty awesome :P
[01:19] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So I can imagine your pretty angry at the gnome dudes?
[01:19] <damagu> Amaranth: wow! Thanks for doing what you do then. Compiz is fantastic
[01:19] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Yes and no
[01:19] <Amaranth> The guys working on it are pretty cool but I completely disagree with them :P
[01:20] <TDJACR> Amaranth: have you tried arch?
[01:20] <RPG_Master_> :P
[01:20] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So why can't you port compiz to Gnome 3.0?
[01:20] <Amaranth> TDJACR: Don't see the point
[01:20] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Because gnome-shell replaces metacity _and_ gnome-panel
[01:20] <damagu> Amaranth: are hardware drivers meant to display in the system > admin > hardware drivers window? And what does it mean if there are none displaying?
[01:21] <TDJACR> Amaranth: It's nice.
[01:21] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So there will be no way to use a different WM while still using Gnome?
[01:21] <TDJACR> Amaranth: That's a dumb gnome decision
[01:21] <Amaranth> damagu: First thought would be it means your card is too new for us to recognize
[01:21] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: right
[01:22] <RPG_Master_> :(
[01:22] <RPG_Master_> >:(
[01:22] <Amaranth> Not without dropping down to gnome-panel
[01:22] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, it is like a model T.  you can have any window manager you want, as long as it is Gnome Shell.
[01:22] <Amaranth> Which means the desktop as it exists today
[01:23] <RPG_Master_> They darn well better port all the best parts of Compiz into Gnome 3.0 then >:(
[01:23] <Amaranth> No, not really
[01:23] <Amaranth> Even as a composited blingfest metacity is still the Cheerios of WMs
[01:23] <damagu> Can someone tell me if it is normal to not have system updates appearing after install? Usually when I install Ubuntu I immediately see updates are required. However, I have never installed a beta version before.
[01:24] <RPG_Master_> I am talking about the nice usability parts of compiz
[01:24] <NoelJB> Amaranth, missing that analogy.
[01:24] <Amaranth> damagu: It sounds like your sources.list is set to only look on the CD
[01:24] <NoelJB> is cheerios a good thing?  I, personally, find them kind of bland, and don't eat them.
[01:24] <RPG_Master_> I want frosted flakes :(
[01:24] <damagu> Amaranth: nah it's a macbook pro 3,1 I had drivers for it in Intrepid
[01:25] <damagu> Amaranth: oh I'll have a look.
[01:25] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Metacity is the "Boring window manager for the adult in you. Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is like Cheerios."
[01:25] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, LOL Raisin Bran, with Fruit Loops or something silly/sillier every once in a while.  But I switch Window Managers less often than cereal.
[01:25] <NoelJB> Amaranth, ok, so it was a reference to Metacity being boring and bland (Cheerios).
[01:25] <drs305> damagu: There have been some problems with update-manager. You can try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to check for new packages.
[01:25] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Right
[01:26] <Amaranth> NoelJB: And gnome-shell continues that tradition, just scaled up to what would be considered bland for composited bling
[01:26] <NoelJB> Amaranth, does it do 3D?
[01:26] <Amaranth> NoelJB: No
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: it does open/close/minimize animations and a combination of scale and expo
[01:27] <RPG_Master_> So nicer then Metacity but not quiet "Pimp" like Compiz? :P
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: And that's it
[01:27] <NoelJB> Amaranth, Ah, so perfect for nouveau ;-)
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Oh, I thought you meant the 3D compiz effect
[01:27] <damagu> Amaranth: I've got Important security updates and recommended updates checked in the sources preferences
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: gnome-shell _requires_ 3D
[01:27] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I meant like the desktop cube.
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It seems to have higher requirements than even compiz
[01:27] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Thats not good :(
[01:28] <Amaranth> And since gnome-shell is the panel too guess what happens when you have no 3D support?
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> No DE :(
[01:28] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: More like the current DE
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> Oh
[01:28] <Amaranth> plain gnome-panel and metacity
[01:28] <damagu> Amaranth: I just checked the Pre-released updates and it's sitting stalled on 24 out of 38 updates and then gave this error:
[01:28] <Amaranth> But only because distributors will do it
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> I am starting to feel kinda sad :(
[01:29] <Amaranth> GNOME themselves say you need 3D to use it and if you don't have it try XFCE instead
[01:29] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, well, you're the one running it right now ... how do you like it?
[01:29] <NoelJB> Amaranth, so you either need a Mack truck or a tricycle?
[01:29] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Not getting that reference
[01:30] <RPG_Master_> NoelJB: For being Alpha its pretty nice, I  just want more key shortcuts and window shadows
[01:30] <RPG_Master_> I want to alt-tab :(
[01:30] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: The activities sidebar doesn't annoy you?
[01:30] <NoelJB> Amaranth, massive heavy requirements (Mack Truck/Gnome Shell) or a relatively light and featureless toy (tricycle/XFCE)
[01:30] <Amaranth> alt-tab is coming but not per-window
[01:30] <Amaranth> gnome-shell is doing alt-tab like OS X, per application
[01:30] <Xgates> Theme changing for Gnome is this going to happen under one GUI interface or several? What I mean is I don't see anything for a user to change the login display
[01:31] <damagu> Amaranth: error: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.gpg
[01:31] <Amaranth> Xgates: That's because you can't change the login display
[01:31] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Kinda until I found out you can open the panel with the Windows Key
[01:31] <TDJACR> When is GNOME 3 expected?
[01:31] <TDJACR> And btrfs?
[01:31] <Amaranth> TDJACR: 6 months or so
[01:31] <NoelJB> TDJACR, Ubuntu 10.10
[01:31] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Still undecided
[01:31] <Xgates> Amaranth: when did this happen? Is that a Ubuntu thing or Gnome thing?
[01:31] <NoelJB> Amaranth, as in maybe earlier, or not at all?
[01:32] <Xgates> I thought you could always change your login screen and wallpaper...
[01:32] <NoelJB> I was hoping for preview in 10.4, but figured that 10.10 was safe for possibly deployment.
[01:32] <Amaranth> Xgates: GNOME thing, in other distros it has been true for at least 18 months but we held on to an old version of GDM until now
[01:32] <ryguy> Im on the karmic live cd and when I click "Install ubuntu 9.10" on my desktop, It goes through the installation steps just fine but when it goes to actually install ubuntu, the install program crashes
[01:32] <hggdh> gnome3 is still very unstable, and a lot of gnome apps are still to be converted
[01:32] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Well, we've turned this into a interview with Amaranth channel :P
[01:32] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Maybe not at all, wrt gnome-shell
[01:32] <damagu> Can someone tell me what date 9.10 is to be released?
[01:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what is Gnome 3 without Gnome-shell?
[01:33] <Amaranth> NoelJB: all the apps
[01:33] <RPG_Master_> damagu: I think the 29th
[01:33] <Xgates> Amaranth: oh so this version of Gnome should allow it? But Ubuntu is using an older version of GDM that won't allow?
[01:33] <Xgates> why do that?
[01:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, OK, so still some benefit.
[01:33] <Amaranth> Xgates: Other way around
[01:33] <Amaranth> Xgates: We used to use an old version of GDM that allowed it, we finally upgraded
[01:34] <damagu> drs305: I tried running update and upgrade and it is stalled on 58%
[01:34] <Xgates> oh the new version of GDM doesn't allow changes? That seems odd that Gnome would do that...
[01:34] <drs305> damagu: On the update part?
[01:34] <TDJACR> Will it use GTK 3?
[01:34] <Amaranth> Xgates: There is no configuration you can make anyway except for changing the wallpaper, the colors, and whether or not to use the user list
[01:34] <damagu> drs305: actually it then gave me a bunch of errors like this:
[01:34] <damagu> W: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic-proposed/universe/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2  Cannot initiate the connection to au.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:388:30bc:cafe::beef). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:388:30bc:cafe::beef 80]
[01:34] <NoelJB> hggdh, I don't know when you got here, but the discussion was a bit about Gnome Shell and the current situation that they won't play with Compiz.
[01:35] <Amaranth> damagu: You have no internet connection on this machine?
[01:35] <Amaranth> damagu: Either that or au.archive.ubuntu.com is dead
[01:35] <damagu> Amaranth: I'm using the machine to chat with you right now
[01:35] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok so you're saying to can make some changes? If so where from? GUI or by hand?
[01:35] <hggdh> NoelJB: thanks -- I just started to pay attention to +1 now ;-)
[01:35] <Xgates> saying to/you.....
[01:35] <ryguy> can anyone help me out?
[01:35] <Amaranth> Xgates: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[01:35] <Amaranth> Xgates: have fun ;)
[01:36] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Ya think we all need to jump ship and find a new DE like XCFE or KDE?
[01:36] <Amaranth> damagu: In Software Sources change the Download from line
[01:36] <damagu> Amaranth: do you know how I can check on the au.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:36] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Dunno
[01:36] <ryguy> Hello?
[01:36] <NoelJB> hggdh, by the way, I had a very scary thing happen with evolution.  I imported all of my contacts (that was cool), but when I rebooted and looked again the next day, they were ALL GONE.  I will blow away the .evo and .bogo directories, and reimport everything from scratch, but that's a bit nervous making!
[01:36] <damagu> Amaranth: what should I change it to?
[01:37] <Amaranth> damagu: If you choose other it has a button to figure out the best (fastest) mirror automatically
[01:37] <Amaranth> damagu: Which in your case should also find one inside AU so you don't have to worry about bandwidth caps
[01:37] <damagu> Amaranth: sorry I just changed it to "Main Server"
[01:37] <damagu> Amaranth: it seems to be working ok
[01:37] <drs305> damagu: You also have the option of selecting Best Server because the mains are likely to be very busy.
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: this is indeed weird. Please run from the terminal with 'env CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution > evo.log 2>&1'
[01:38] <Amaranth> damagu: It'll probably be a bit slow
[01:38] <NoelJB> hggdh, now or after I reimport?
[01:38] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok so Ubuntu isn't going to allow or make a way for users to make their own changes from a simple GUI? Like under Preference - Appearance and adding in a feature there for users to do it from?
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: then we might be able to find something.
[01:38] <damagu> Amaranth: once it's sorted I will change it to my ISP's unmetered sources
[01:38] <Amaranth> Xgates: Nope because this is probably all going to change in lucid anyway
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: you could try now to see if an error is being reported there. Just do not upload the log, it may contain private data
[01:39] <damagu> Amaranth: the updates appear to be downloading now though. Thanks for that.
[01:39] <virtuald> firefox 3.5 is opening http://cve.mitre.org/data/downloads/allcans.html and chewing up gigs of ram
[01:39] <virtuald> wonderful
[01:39] <damagu> Amaranth: is there a way for me to notify the Australian mirror that it's down?
[01:39] <Amaranth> virtuald: Why would you open that? :)
[01:40] <Amaranth> damagu: I don't know who to tell
[01:40] <virtuald> there are rumors on the intertubes about an ssh vulnerability in the wild
[01:40] <Xgates> sheesh haven't even got Karmic out the door and already underway for a new version LOL
[01:40] <BUGabundo> Xgates: the world never stops
[01:40] <Amaranth> damagu: It's mirror.aarnet.edu.au if you know who that is
[01:40] <tra421> I must be missing something - with gdmsetup not giving an option to disable the start-up drumroll, where to look in 9.10(beta)?
[01:41] <virtuald> and i had a hard time finding the cves
[01:41] <Amaranth> tra421: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[01:41] <Amaranth> tra421: I have no idea where in there it is, if it is even in there
[01:41] <tra421> surely i'm not the only one here who believes their computer should be quiet unless spoken to? :P
[01:42] <Xgates> What every 6 months a new version? hehe
[01:42] <Amaranth> tra421: it's an accessibility thing, the sound mean you can login now (for blind people)
[01:42] <tra421> Amaranth: I understand the sound by default choice, but not the lack of 'TURN THIS OFF IMMEDIATELY' button in the preferences somewhere ;)
[01:42] <pwnguin> Xgates: my assumption is that by naming it during crunch time, everyone's too busy to argue about the name
[01:42] <maco> i think sound settings leat you turn it off though
[01:43] <Amaranth> tra421: There are no settings at all for gdm
[01:43] <tra421> maco: not unless I overlooked it seven times... I shall check again!
[01:43] <Amaranth> maco: No, that's only for your login, not the gdm sound
[01:43] <maco> ohok
[01:43] <tra421> Amaranth: or so it seems
[01:43] <maco> ooo
[01:43] <Amaranth> maco: But that gives an idea on where to look in gconf-editor
[01:43] <maco> *shrug* havent used gnome in a while. dunno what's changed
[01:43] <tra421> I understand why it is (with the whole new GDM thing going on), but I do hope that's one thing planned to be fixed before rc :)
[01:43] <Amaranth> tra421: Nope
[01:44] <tra421> Amaranth: I fear the flood of complaints already :(
[01:44] <Amaranth> tra421: eh
[01:44] <perlsyntax> Can you use apt-get on ubuntu 9.10 to update or not?
[01:45] <maco> yeah sure
[01:45] <BUGabundo> hey maco
[01:45] <damagu> Amaranth: that seems to have sorted out the problem with no drivers displaying in the hardware drivers window. Thanks
[01:45] <perlsyntax> cool thanks Amaranth
[01:46] <tra421> Amaranth: i'm assuming a relative minority of users will end up complaining about it if it's not in some easy dialog somewhere - but i've been wrong in the past (like when I thought the firefox 3 pre-retail inclusion in 8.04 would not be considered a big deal)
[01:46] <damagu> Hey do any of you guys know of a good news hub for free software?
[01:47] <arielCo> Hello, while upgrading to karmic I got a segfault installing "libc6". The whole process aborted, tried to du "sudo dpkg --configure -a", but nothing happened
[01:47] <Amaranth> eep
[01:47] <arielCo> If I try to issue the last command manually, it segfaults on me
[01:47] <Amaranth> arielCo: Does every other command segfault too?
[01:47] <arielCo> Amaranth, yes, "eep" covers it
[01:47] <damagu> Tuxmachines looked alright but the editor recently posted a boycott ubuntu opinion piece and I'd rather not go there anymore
[01:47] <Amaranth> arielCo: You know what libc6 is, right? :)
[01:47] <arielCo> Amaranth: ls does
[01:48] <arielCo> Amaranth: pretty much the every system call
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: ls is a bash built-in
[01:48] <Amaranth> (meaning already running with a working libc6)
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: try apt-get update
[01:48] <arielCo> well, an already opened bash session issues the segfaults
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: That's because dpkg isn't a built-in bash command :P
[01:48] <tra421> /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugins/sound/active is promising
[01:49] <arielCo> segfault
[01:49] <Amaranth> arielCo: Your system is hosed
[01:49] <alankila> what CPU was it?
[01:49] <Amaranth> arielCo: You can't even chroot in from a LiveCD to fix that one
[01:49] <arielCo> nice, don't know how the hell it happened. Maybe the installer should tell me when it's actually going to upgrade
[01:49]  * alankila had totally hosed system when trying to upgrade one AMD Duron -based system once
[01:50] <tra421> wouldn't make a lot of sense if the gdm sound was a user-specific setting though *burp*
[01:50] <arielCo> so, it's a fresh install for me?
[01:50] <alankila> the CPU doesn't support SSE but the libc6-i686 package or something such did. Kaboom.
[01:51] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: linux kernel  2.6.32-rc3 has been released
[01:51] <Amaranth> tra421: How could it be user specific? That doesn't even make sense
[01:51] <tra421> Amaranth: indeed :)
[01:51] <arielCo> @alankila: mine's i386 (Core 2 Duo), but methinks it was because it started installing while I was running stuff
[01:51] <tra421> Amaranth: hence my hopes and dreams crashing down a second ago
[01:51] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, which repos?  for jaunty or karmic?
[01:51] <BUGabundo> linus :D
[01:51] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, oh, so lucid, then  :-)
[01:52] <BUGabundo> right
[01:52] <BUGabundo> http://is.gd/3WnFv
[01:52] <arielCo> waah, I'm SO filing a wishlist bug in LP when I'm back!
[01:52] <Amaranth> arielCo: It wasn't because you were doing stuff while it was upgrading
[01:52] <tra421> alright, i'm just going to empty the .ogg file it directs to :(
[01:53] <arielCo> how would I go about gathering info for the forensics?
[01:53] <Amaranth> arielCo: It was an incredibly rare "kill your system" bug in dpkg
[01:53] <Amaranth> arielCo: I don't even know, if you can survive until tomorrow (don't turn the computer off or do anything to it) you could ask one of the other developers
[01:53] <alankila> arielCo: ok. That's not it then.
[01:54] <tra421> I see why that made you eep :)
[01:54] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, when it comes out, i'm going to have to carefully test some things.  We had to work around a bug in 2.6.31, and I believe that the fix will not be a problem when the kernel works again, but I'll need to test modem manager carefully.
[01:54] <Amaranth> arielCo: tomorrow being in about 8 hours
[01:55] <arielCo> developer = names? Yes, I can live without my machine. Pidgin's still up but I don't know if I can do anything useful with it.
[01:55] <arielCo> pretty much nothing runs
[01:56] <arielCo> @amaranth: I'm going out for the night - can you post some names so I can tell them of my predicament?
[01:57] <Amaranth> arielCo: mvo will want to know, I'm sure
[01:57] <arielCo>  I've read that name before
[01:57] <Amaranth> Well, he wrote software-center
[01:57] <arielCo> okay, when I see him tomorrow I'll ask him
[01:57] <Amaranth> and apt, iirc :P
[01:57] <tra431> well then, getting rid of the .ogg symlink seems to 'fix' it :)
[01:58] <tra431> ugly but painless
[01:58] <arielCo> gone now - wish me luck getting in getting some useful info out of this. I'll burn a Karmic CD tomorrow at the office.
[01:58] <Amaranth> tra431: You also could have blanked out the gconf key pointing to it..
[01:58] <richardcavell> How's the beta going, folks?  Is it more bugfree than the alphas?
[01:58] <tra431> Amaranth: that does actually sound like a better idea in retrospect :)
[01:59] <Amaranth> richardcavell: Well one guy just completely broke his system doing the upgrade (needs a full reinstall)
[01:59] <richardcavell> okay
[01:59] <hulio_> Is anyone else having issues reporting bugs @ Launchpad?
[01:59]  * arielCo waves at richardcavell :(
[01:59] <arielCo> gone now
[01:59] <Amaranth> hulio_: Did you read the wiki page it sends you to?
[01:59] <richardcavell> arielCo: sorry to hear that
[01:59] <hulio_> Amaranth, yes it says something is wrong with their server.
[02:00] <tra431> the upgrade was a bit bumpy for me as well, with that apparmor invalid structure thingie - but nothing as bad as the poor segfault guy, luckily
[02:00] <virtuald> yay my firefox survived and didn't eat all my swap, and it was even usable!
[02:00] <Amaranth> hulio_: Ok, not what I thought it was
[02:00] <virtuald> even though it ate 1300MB swap
[02:00] <Amaranth> hulio_: Well launchpad is hosted in the same datacenter as releases.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com so... slow
[02:00] <arielCo> @richardcavell: well, at least my config|profile|.*/ are still there
[02:00] <omac> I got problems when booting ubuntu karmic koala beta 1.
[02:01]  * arielCo leaves
[02:01] <omac> I have a Sony 4GB USB thumb drive.
[02:01] <richardcavell> well at least I can say that Karmic ought to be much better than Jaunty for hardware compatibility
[02:01] <richardcavell> On my MacBook, it's way better
[02:01] <richardcavell> video in particular
[02:02] <tra431> to be honest, karmic has been more crashprone than the other betas i've used in the past (all but 9.04)
[02:02] <tra431> but at the same time it's still so much nicer than 9.04 somehow :)
[02:02] <iflema> the best ever here
[02:02] <omac> I used the usb startup disk creator.  I got past the language menu and entered on the try without installing.  I got an ubuntu icon in the middle for a while(xsplash?) and then it consoled me with a i/o bug on fd0 and another one about /dev/sr0.
[02:03] <hulio_> exit
[02:03] <hulio_> exit
[02:03] <omac> the previous jaunty iso worked with no issues.
[02:04] <omac> I booted off the usb drive on different boxes with the jaunty 9.04 no issues, but karmic beta seems to hang with a bug about fd0 and /dev/sr0.
[02:04] <Volkodav1> This POS Software center hardly works - can not find apps in repos
[02:05] <tra431> oh dear - I just tried to aplay a file without permission - that sound sure woke me up :)
[02:05] <Volkodav1> apt-cache search does
[02:06] <tra431> i'm just glad it's not called a store anymore :)
[02:06] <omac> I tried removing the jaunty partition which made the usb drive empty.  Then went back to the usb startup disk creator.  It created/formatted the new partition so quickly that I'm thinking it did a quick format instead of a thorough low-level format.  Then it installed the karmic beta image on the thumb drive.  Same results, when I boot it gives me the fd0 I/O errors and /dev/sr0 errors after pressing the xsplash icon is displayed for a while.
[02:07] <MTecknology> This is interesting..  1939 root      20   0  438m  31m 6212 S   15  1.6   7:38.66 Xorg
[02:07] <Amaranth> Volkodav1: It'll only find the stuff gnome-app-install would fine
[02:07] <Amaranth> s/fine/find/
[02:07] <Amaranth> Volkodav1: Anything without a GUI still needs synaptic for now
[02:08] <tra431> also happy all those repos are enabled by default these days. the software center would look a bit sad without
[02:09] <xguru> what is the repo from launchpad on updates for kubuntu 9.10
[02:12] <ysf> I'm trying to install (a fresh, vom alternate cd) koala - but everytime he configures the upstart service he reboots. when i launched the recovery mode i could dpkg --configure the remaining packages but it always reboots after upstart. do you have a hint what i can do to continue the install?
[02:14] <virtuald> what's the url to the iso?
[02:14] <virtuald> have you tried the dailies?
[02:14] <ysf> its the 32bit one, mom
[02:14] <virtuald> i'm not your mom
[02:15] <ysf> http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[02:15] <ysf> :)
[02:15] <roffe> I don't want to be politically correct, but it feels a bit strange they chose USA to be the center of one of the space pictures
[02:17] <virtuald> Yeah it should be africa
[02:17] <iflema> m
[02:17] <ysf> I did not try the dailies if you mean a daily build of the iso, just the one above
[02:18] <NoelJB> why not siberia or mongolia?  then no one can complain.
[02:18] <tra431> not siberia! grr
[02:18] <iflema> aus
[02:19] <virtuald> ysf: Ok iso testing is in #ubuntu-testing
[02:19] <ysf> k thx
[02:20] <tra431> I wrote 21 random bash scripts for others today - I deserve a fancy beer.
[02:20] <iflema> what about a cola?
[02:21] <tra431> if they'd make a fancy cola, I'd go for that
[02:21] <iflema> ya can get ubuntu cola...
[02:21] <iflema> not sure if theres a connection
[02:21] <tra431> there is not :)
[02:21] <iflema> true
[02:21] <tra431> not unless Canonical bought that company in the last few months
[02:21] <iflema> i cant rember the label but
[02:22] <tra431> in all fairness, there's open-source beer as well :)
[02:22] <iflema> free as in beer?
[02:22] <tra431> if only
[02:22] <tra431> :(
[02:23] <iflema> O:-)
[02:24] <tra431> that's one area in which i'd be happy to stay guessing for source code as long as it's free :(
[02:28] <MTecknology> Where do I control startup processes?
[02:29] <iflema> ubuntu-trading.com
[02:32] <MTecknology> iflema: was that for me?
[02:32] <SodaPhish> has anyone else noticed that nautilus has been acting like crap in Koala?
[02:32] <NoelJB> SodaPhish, no, actually.
[02:32] <iflema> anyone with a few seconds and free cpu
[02:32] <SodaPhish> lots of disk space randomly lost, but as soon as you sighup nautilus it comes available again.
[02:32] <SodaPhish> iflema, ?
[02:32] <NoelJB> MTecknology, are you looking for the service, start and stop commands?
[02:33] <MTecknology> NoelJB: I want them not loading on startup - bum doesn't seem to work anymore
[02:33] <NoelJB> MTecknology, such as?
[02:33] <SodaPhish> MTecknology, you jsut creat a link in /etc/rc2.d/ to the /etc/init.d/ file
[02:34] <SodaPhish> or whatever run-level you're starting
[02:34] <SodaPhish> and if there's no file in /etc/init.d for your service, you can always cram it in /etc/rc.local
[02:34] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[02:34] <DanaG> hmm, that libc6 thing... would it work to just copy the contents back where they should go, from a livecd?
[02:34] <MTecknology> NoelJB: virtualbox, cups, etc
[02:35] <NoelJB> MTecknology, hmm ... update-rc is still doc'd.  have you looked at it?
[02:35] <NoelJB> man update-rc.d
[02:36] <MTecknology> NoelJB: there's no 'update-rc.d show' ?
[02:36] <NoelJB> MTecknology, ?
[02:37] <MTecknology> to show what's there
[02:38] <sunshinepants> anybody testing with mini 9?
[02:41] <MTecknology> Isn't there a command line tool to manage all run level processes?
[02:41] <MTecknology> I know there is, I forgot it's name
[02:42] <test34> sunshinepants, why dont you with a live cd?
[02:44] <sunshinepants> test34: oh I'm asking because I have a mini 9 on it's way to my house.. I'm really interested in it's performance w compiz.. I don't use many plugins but I do use expo and wobbly..
[02:44] <NoelJB> MTecknology, so update-rc.d cups disable would disable cups at startup
[02:45] <NoelJB> MTecknology, are you looking for the debian equiv to RH's chkconfig?
[02:46] <MTecknology> no sure; I was given an app once for server use
[02:47] <NoelJB> MTecknology, and it would let you list, enable and disable?
[02:47] <MTecknology> it was for ubuntu, it had a grid layout
[02:48] <MTecknology> ya
[02:48] <MTecknology> and show which runlevel each was on
[02:48] <NoelJB> MTecknology, hmmm ... sounds like chkconfig for ubuntu.  not sure what command that is.
[02:48] <NoelJB> MTecknology, well ... there IS a chkconfig package.
[02:50] <NoelJB> MTecknology, try installing it, and see if that's what you want.
[02:50] <MTecknology> it's not
[02:50] <MTecknology> Does this mean it was disabled? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/285827/
[02:51] <Volkodav1> How do I check the package version from terminal ?
[02:51] <NoelJB> MTecknology, that's bizzare.  it looks like it added and then removed the links!
[02:52] <NoelJB> sorry, removed then re-added
[02:53] <NoelJB> MTecknology, try update-rc.d -f cups remove (as per the man page)
[02:53] <Volkodav1> dpkg -s
[02:53] <Volkodav1> I got it
[02:55] <MTecknology> What is console-setup usegood for?
[02:57] <NoelJB> MTecknology, did that command work for you?
[02:57] <MTecknology> NoelJB: yup; thanks
[02:58] <MTecknology> I'm wondering if I need these now - console-setup; dkms_autoinstaller; keyboard-setup; pppd-dns; bootlogd; rc.local
[03:01] <NoelJB> MTecknology, insserv?
[03:02] <MTecknology> hu?
[03:02] <NoelJB> MTecknology, is that the command you were searching for?
[03:02] <NoelJB> man insserv
[03:02] <MTecknology> no
[03:02] <MTecknology> what you gave me will work; I can dig later
[03:03] <MTecknology> I'm hoping removing those is ok, I did it
[03:03] <MTecknology> Time to spend time with my gf
[03:03] <MTecknology> NoelJB: thanks :)
[03:05] <NoelJB> MTecknology, cheers.  fwiw, take a look at sysv-rc-conf ... that's my last guess as to what you saw before.
[03:06] <coz_> hey guys  where can I change  gdm themes?  I see no login window under system/administration
[03:07] <DanaG> coz_:  gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties
[03:07] <DanaG> that'll run the appearance control panel thingy as the gdm user, so it'll change what the login screen shows.
[03:07] <MTecknology> NoelJB: that's exactly it
[03:07] <coz_> DanaG,  I see nothing there for gdm themes
[03:08] <DanaG> There aren't "gdm themes".
[03:08] <DanaG> gdm IS just its own gnome session.
[03:08] <coz_> DanaG, what?  what happened to them?
[03:08] <DanaG> It's a design decision by the gnome developers.
[03:08] <coz_> DanaG,  ah oh  bad idea  ....  Can someone tell me why deskbar is not in the list of applets in Karmic?
[03:15] <damagu> Also I can't find it in the app store
[03:16] <coz_> anyone running kubuntu karmic?
[03:20] <BluesKaj> coz_, kubuntu karmic here
[03:21] <aliendude5300> Hi, quick question -- how do I remove a user from the login menu without deleting the user using deluser?
[03:21] <coz_> BluesKaj,  how is it working for you ?
[03:21] <coz_> BluesKaj,   since themeing gdm has been stopped in gnome I may have to switch
[03:21] <DanaG> coz_: http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign
[03:22] <BluesKaj> coz , if you're into eyecandy in beta releases , methinks you expect too much :)
[03:22] <coz_> BluesKaj,  not about beta so much  but apparenlty this is permanent in gnome
[03:23] <coz_> and I need complete control over all aspects of themeing
[03:23] <coz_> kde generally allows for that
[03:23] <BluesKaj> coz_, not trying to talk you out of gnome but there will be more to come I'm sure
[03:24] <coz_> BluesKaj,  well I think my many years with gnome has come to an end :(   ah well time to install kde :)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> I hope for kde as well
[03:26] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I will test kde again ...if I have more themeing control then I will switch :)
[03:35] <Xgates> anyone seen the GRUB 2 graphical menu project? --   http://grub.gibibit.com/About
[03:35] <coz_> cool
[03:35] <Xgates> now I know it's ONLY eye-candy, hehe, but it would be nice for Ubuntu to make a cool ubuntu splash like these, or better
[03:35] <coz_> those ar definitly nice images
[03:38] <Xgates> ahhh they talk about it on this Wiki:
[03:38] <Xgates> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[03:38]  * Xgates reads
[03:39] <Daemonik> What is it with Ubuntu 9.04 that I right-click on a folder, click "sharing options", select guest access, but other GNU/Linux machines claim the mount failed, and windows machines think a username and password (guest / guest doesn't work . .) is needed? Ubuntu 8.10 had file sharing working fine!
[03:40] <Xgates> Last replies:
[03:40] <Xgates> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-os-switcher
[03:41] <Xgates> hmm doesn't look good :(
[03:41] <Xgates> maybe Ubuntu will make something then
[03:42] <webbb82> is there anyway in karmic to change the default file manager
[03:43] <mattwj2002> in 9.10 beta....
[03:43] <mattwj2002> how do I do the gnome-shell?
[03:45] <mattwj2002> !gnome-shell
[03:51] <mattwj2002> gnome shell anyone???
[03:52] <Steil> hey
[03:52] <Steil> has anyone here had much success with the karmic moblin remix?
[03:57] <webbb82> some app called apport is hoggin all my cpu i have never seen this befor anyone els know abou this
[03:57] <Amaranth> mattwj2002: If you want gnome-shell you want to run it from the latest git
[03:57] <Amaranth> webbb82: That means something crashed and it is collecting the crash data
[03:57] <Amaranth> apport has been around for a few releases
[03:57] <mattwj2002> I see you can install it in the beta
[03:57] <mattwj2002> :)
[03:58] <webbb82> what is it
[03:59] <dns53> it collects crash dumps and relevent files and allows you to include them in a bug report
[03:59] <dns53> is is active in the beta's and gets dissabled in the normal release
[04:01] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? i failed to showup
[04:02] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup
[04:03] <webbb82> i just changed thunar to my default file manager like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[04:03] <webbb82> is there any downside to useing  thunar
[04:05] <dns53> thunar does not have as good support for sshfs, smbfs etc but it works fine as a file manager
[04:11] <cgsawtell> hey
[04:11] <cgsawtell> does anyone have a problem with ibus not working?
[04:17] <Xgates> cannot compile for the target means it can't compile under x64? This is grub2 I'm playing with and I don't get this...
[04:26] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[04:26] <DanaG> check the latest 20091004-11
[04:26] <DanaG> Still a whole lotta' thrashing going on.
[04:29] <vigo> Any one else tried to launch Services with bad results?
[04:31] <DanaG> grr, why is my boot still so slow?
[04:32] <arielCo> Hello. apt (or dpkg) SIGSEGV'ed on me upgrading from Jaunty to Karmic and now libc6 is broken so I can't run anything. Can I just boot a Jaunty CD and tell it to re-install my packages ?
[04:33] <DanaG> hmm, you may need to burn and boot a Karmic cd, and actually COPY the libc6 package's files from the host CD to the target disk.
[04:35] <DanaG> dpkg --listfiles libc6
[04:35] <DanaG> then copy them into the equivalent place on the broken partition.
[04:35] <arielCo> DanaG: won't the Karmic installer do that? I mean, there's info about my configured packages in /var/*/apt/
[04:36] <DanaG> No, if everything segfaults, you won't be able to use the package manager for that partition, since it tries to use that partition's libc6.
[04:36]  * DanaG wonders why his disk thrashes so much at boot.
[04:37] <arielCo> so it ignores its own libs from the LiveCD?
[04:39] <arielCo> brb
[04:39] <DanaG> I believe so... though the last time I tried that sort of thing, it was on Edgy.'
[04:40] <dns53> arielCo boot a live cd, mount your root partition, chroot to the mount point, use apt/dpkg to reinstall libc6
[04:43] <virtuald> is there an ubuntu channel related to pulseaudio or multimedia?
[04:44] <dns53> maybe
[04:44] <vigo> !multimedia
[04:46] <vigo> virtuald: I am pretty sure there are #channels on Freenode for that also, those links are always a good place to start at, is why I asked ubottu to display them.
[04:49] <virtuald> there is no info on irc channels there
[04:51] <Xgates> I'm not the greatest with scripting at all and I'm running a macbook pro 5.5 and the keyboard lights will work by running this cmd:
[04:51] <draconis> is medibuntu dead?
[04:51] <Xgates> echo 150 | sudo tee -a /sys/class/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness
[04:51] <draconis> connecting to packages.medibuntu.com is taking ages
[04:51] <swj> anyone else having problems mounting cd/dvd with blank media? Using karmic beta
[04:51] <gsevil> is there any fix for upstart gdm? start gdm not work
[04:52] <Xgates> BUT I have a script someone showed me that can make it so I can press the F keys to turn them up and down but I really don't know what to do with it, make it work:
[04:52] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/m4844ff15
[04:52] <Xgates> I take it VAR= is some variable I need to make....
[04:52] <Xgates> but not sure what...
[04:52] <vigo> Channel #medibuntu came up on google
[04:52] <draconis> err, packages.medibuntu.org
[04:52] <dns53> Xgates you running   sudo service gdm restart ?
[04:52] <Xgates> F5 dims the key lights down and F6 turns them up
[04:53] <Xgates> dns53: huh, what are you asking?
[04:53] <Xgates> gdm is running for me
[04:53] <dns53> oops wrong person
[04:53] <dns53> gsevil you running   sudo service gdm restart ?
[04:53] <vigo> Xgates: Prefernces>Main Menu, set any macro you want with that.
[04:54] <imachine> draconis, but once you get there it's quick
[04:54] <imachine> draconis, the server seems used a lot, it's release madness :)
[04:54] <Xgates> vigo: honestly I wouldn't have a clue, don't really get what you mean by messing in the Main Menu...
[04:55] <gsevil> dns53: I never use that, but when I boot up, gdm show error and stand at black screen, I must use recovery mode, run gdm manually
[04:55] <Xgates> vigo: did you see the script I posted on pastebin?
[04:55] <draconis> imachine: finally got connected
[04:55] <vigo> Xgates: System>Preferences>Main Menu.no, let me look....
[04:56] <swj> unable to burn dvds using karmic beta because dvd drive will not mount blank media...any solutions?
[04:57] <DanaG> Xgates: does the thing also appear in /sys/class/backlight ?
[04:58] <Xgates> DanaG: sar@MacUbuntu:/sys/class/backlight$ ls
[04:58] <Xgates> mbp_backlight
[04:58] <Xgates> ls
[04:58] <Xgates> actual_brightness  bl_power  brightness  max_brightness  power  subsystem  uevent
[05:01] <vigo> Xgates: cat is to merge or concentrate, maybe the merge messes it up.
[05:01] <Xgates> DanaG: also the screen brightness does nothing, I can see the pic of the sun appear on the upper right and see it scroll up and down when I press the keys but the screen doesn't change brightness either
[05:03] <Xgates> vigo: well if I run the script I get this:
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up: line 3: VAR: command not found
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up: line 4: VAR: command not found
[05:03]  * shiznebit snuggles comfortably with koala
[05:04] <vigo> Then again, I am very sleepy, brain is not functioning at peak.
[05:04] <shiznebit> Xgates, is this a laptop or desktop
[05:04] <Xgates> 13" macbook pro 5.5
[05:04] <Xgates> and I did everything on the Karmic wiki
[05:05] <Amaranth> Ah, ok, not intel then
[05:05] <Xgates> installed both 185 and 190 nvidia source and glx and all the ppa mods too
[05:05] <Amaranth> MacBooks with Intel graphics can't change the screen brightness when using KMS :/
[05:05] <shiznebit> might be something else in the mac book
[05:05] <Xgates> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic?highlight=%28%28MacBookPro5-5|Karmic%29%29
[05:06] <Xgates> well in the meantime I'm just trying to get this script working:
[05:06] <vigo> Xgates: The 180 did not function?
[05:06] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/m4844ff15
[05:06] <Xgates> but I'm not a coder so I don't know if VAR needs to be changed for a variable I want...
[05:07] <DanaG> hmm, does it call for /bin/sh or /bin/bash ?
[05:07] <Xgates> I thought we only had 185 in here
[05:07] <DanaG> I'm thinking, might it be a bashism?
[05:07] <Xgates> hmm I only tried 185 and 190
[05:07] <Xgates> I guess I could try 180
[05:08] <vigo> I recall looking at that and one said Fixed! 180 worked on that setup, it was from the forums.
[05:08] <Xgates> ok
[05:09]  * Xgates installs 180
[05:09] <vigo> But please look yourself just to make certain.
[05:10] <vigo> I go to sleepy land now, Thank you all and niters.
[05:11] <Xgates> WHY does 180 say it's 185?
[05:11] <Xgates> what's with that?
[05:12] <Xgates> apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[05:12] <Xgates> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:12] <Xgates>   nvidia-185-kernel-source nvidia-glx-185
[05:12] <Xgates> why 185?
[05:12] <cwillu_clone> anyone know a magic alternate way to get a root shell if bash doesn't respond to shift, and the machine gets hung up in xsplash?
[05:15] <NoelJB> Xgates, because 185.36 is what we want to use, and nvidia-180 is being used as a transition to nvidia-185.
[05:16] <Xgates> who's we? not me...
[05:16] <Xgates> I want to use 180 how can I do this?
[05:17] <Xgates> 185 might not be working for me....
[05:17] <Xgates> unless I'm going to have to grab the source from Nvidia
[05:20] <NoelJB> Xgates, as noted by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic?highlight=%28%28MacBookPro5-5|Karmic%29%29#Video%20&%20Effects%20%28Compiz%29 180 is the only you DON'T want.  :-)  you want 185 or 190.
[05:21] <NoelJB> and 185.36 is stable.  190.36 is the current beta.
[05:21] <timboy> Why won't jaunty usb-creator mount 9.10 beta disks? Is there another way to get this onto usb drive?
[05:21] <gsevil> did someone compile kernel in 9.10?
[05:22] <NoelJB> Xgates, the help page has the wrong (old) PPA.  the correct one is https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[05:22] <shiznebit> if i compile the kernel for 9.10 do i have to maintain all the updates myself ?
[05:23] <Xgates> I used 190 from
[05:23] <Xgates> Nvidia Vdpau Team PPA, doesn't work
[05:24] <gsevil> shiznebit:  I think just kernel, I compile kernel since 9.04 and everything update well, just blacklist kernel
[05:24] <NoelJB> Xgates, fine.  so just try the 185.36
[05:24] <malathion> When installing Ubuntu 9.10 beta off the LiveCD, after rebooting I get Grub Error 17. Anyone else?
[05:25]  * Xgates said above earlier ---> <Xgates> hmm I only tried 185 and 190
[05:25] <Xgates> they don't work :)
[05:25] <Xgates> that' why I want to try 180 :)
[05:25] <NoelJB> malathion, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=grub+error+17&aq=0&oq=grub+erro&aqi=g10
[05:26] <gsevil> I always get error when compile kernel from source packages
[05:26] <malathion> NoelJB, thanks for the smartass answer. which one should I click?
[05:28] <NoelJB> malathion, try the first and see.  have you looked?
[05:28] <malathion> Yup
[05:29] <malathion> I probably wouldnt have put in the effort to install xchat on the livecd instead of doing a google search.
[05:30] <NoelJB> malathion, and did you use grub2?  according to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10173/ error 17 is grub1 specific, which is what I thought, too.
[05:30] <malathion> I havent tried grub2 no.
[05:30] <NoelJB> malathion, which grub 1 is installed?  from karmic or older?
[05:30] <malathion> whichever one is installed from the karmic beta livecd
[05:31] <malathion> trying the grub2 instructions now
[05:31] <NoelJB> malathion, I thought that the livecd installed grub2 when you format and install to a clean system.
[05:32] <malathion> NoelJB, Dunno what to tell you, I did the install with format and I got Grub Error 17
[05:34] <timboy> karmic beta on usb is this possible?
[05:34] <malathion> NoelJB, grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.
[05:35] <timboy> gay nm I'll just do it all manually
[05:37] <cwillu_clone> anyone seeing nasty cpu usage under nvidia?
[05:38] <NoelJB> cwillu_, nope.
[05:38] <NoelJB> malathion, look for colin tomorrow, and maybe he can help.
[05:39] <Berzerker> hi, I don't know if this is a problem or not...but I have a feeling my battery info isn't correctly being displayed
[05:39] <cwillu_clone> ah, crap
[05:40] <cwillu_clone> right, this machine only has 384mb of ram :(
[05:43] <malathion> NoelJB, Is there any way I can simply delete the old grub version? I thought formatting the partition would have done that
[05:44] <Berzerker> anyone know how I can set my default terminal to the one that shows the info at the bottom?
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> Berzerker, that's just 'screen'
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> I think it's the default screen profile now
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> or not
[06:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, my booting is still slow.
[06:10] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20091004-11.png
[06:12] <JoeSomebody> hello again, could someone assist me in fixing bootup errors?
[06:12] <JoeSomebody> how do i find a log?
[06:13] <hifi> current karmic (~24h) will boot ok? :)
[06:13] <hifi> well, here goes nothing
[06:13] <JoeSomebody> i cant read the errors fast enough
[06:13] <JoeSomebody> it boots up tho
[06:16] <hifi> works \o/
[06:16] <JoeSomebody> nice, 79 updates since yesterday
[06:17] <gsevil> i got this error when compile kernel from ubuntu source http://paste.ubuntu.com/285940/
[06:18] <hifi> I think my boot just went faster after I installed the latest updates
[06:25] <gsevil> do you know what error is this : dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-headers-2.6.31-11-bfs302 not in control info
[06:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/433730
[06:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/425028
[06:48] <Berzerker> cwillu_, running "Screen" doesn't show it
[06:50] <cwillu_> Berzerker, yes, I said that :p
[06:50] <cwillu_> Berzerker, just google for it, I don't use screen much myself
[06:51] <cwillu_> but it's a screen profile thingy
[07:04] <mdkess> Hi, I'm having some troubles with the Ubuntu beta. A lot of gtk stuff involving the mouse isn't working - for example, in Eclipse I can't click some buttons, and in linux games, when I click the cursor jumps to the lower right corner of the screen - has anyone had similar experiences?
[07:05] <dns53> you got a nvidia card?
[07:05] <mdkess> I do
[07:05] <mdkess> I have the 180 drivers. Is that the problem?
[07:06] <mdkess> Sorry, 185
[07:06] <dns53> it might be, i've been having the gnome panel go transparent every once in a  while
[07:06] <mdkess> Hmm
[07:06] <Berzerker> cwillu_, ok so how do I get back to that, screen doesn't seem to be doing that in karmic
[07:07] <cwillu_> >> Berzerker, just google for it, I don't use screen much myself
[07:07] <Berzerker> cwillu_, did, got nothing
[07:07] <cwillu_> you fail at google then
[07:07] <cwillu_> there
[07:08] <cwillu_> I don't use screen, and it three google searches I settled on "ubuntu screen profile", and the first link is exactly what you're asking about :p
[07:08] <Berzerker> no it's not
[07:08] <Berzerker> I read that already
[07:09] <Berzerker> there we go
[07:09] <Berzerker> I found it
[07:09] <Berzerker> you have to run "byobu"
[07:10] <yang_> does anybody wanna help me with a wierd karmic dns thing?
[07:11] <Berzerker> brb
[07:11] <slacker_nl> morning
[07:11] <cwillu_> !ask
[07:13] <yang_> I have a dns server setup and i can query it by hand i set it up in /etc/resolv.conf as defualt dns and i cant query it by it dosn't work with ping or web browser?
[07:13] <yang_> i can query it*
[07:14] <Berzerker> btw, did they change where to change the login screen? login window option in administration doesn't give me any options to change it
[07:15] <cwillu_> Berzerker, gdm was completely rewritten, and the admin screen hasn't caught up yet :(
[07:15] <cwillu_> /etc/gdm/custom.conf should work to do autologin and such, but I'm not sure if that's even documented anywhere yet
[07:16] <dns53> yang_ had problems a few days ago, if you update it should fix the network manager issue
[07:16] <Berzerker> meh, I'll just live with it then
[07:16] <Berzerker> brb
[07:18] <yang_> dns53: i updated today . that didn't fix it and its not a network manager issue i dont think . i set dns manual w/ /etc/resolv.conf . ty for help tho
[07:20] <yang_> dns53: also i use kde not gnome
[07:20] <dns53> network manager is the engine, it does not matter what gui you use
[07:20] <yang_> dns53: ty for clearing that up.
[07:21] <dns53> all i can say is the update a few days ago fixed it for me  but probably not for everyone
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: so thats why i can resolv it but not ping or access? how do i fix?
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: oh okay. ty for info.
[07:21] <dns53> a workaround is to put something in your /etc/resolv.conf manually
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: i did that and i can host custdomain and get ip
[07:21] <dns53> i have a text file with the ip addresses for opendns
[07:22] <yang_> dns: but i can't ping domain even tho i can look it up with host
[07:22] <Berzerker> ok screwed up my terminal settings, how do I reset them lol
[07:22] <dns53> dig domain?
[07:22] <yang_> yeh
[07:22] <len> Does anyone know what the missing dependency is in the kde4 version of kword?  When I try to launch it I get : "Can not find needed text component, KWord will quit now."  What library is it looking for, and what package do I have to install to get it?
[07:22] <yang_> works
[07:23] <yang_> dns53: yeah that works nicely...
[07:24] <dns53> yang_ so is it the ping program not working?
[07:24] <yang_> dns53: yes and the browser and ssh and everything i use that requires ip to resolve. but ip resolves when try it
[07:25] <Amaranth> Whoa, you can uninstall firefox now
[07:25] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: yeah ubufox was fixed
[07:26] <gnomefreak> as was Firefox we dropped ubufox to recommends
[07:26] <gnomefreak> sorry suggests
[07:26] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: No no, I meant it doesn't rip out half of GNOME anymore
[07:27] <Amaranth> On my other computer I striped out scim, ibus, rhythmbox, firefox, gnome-pilot, and other various things I don't use and installed chromium from the daily ppa and banshee from the daily ppa :)
[07:27] <yang_> dns53:just so you know im looking up IP host ynet.local and dig ynet.local and they always output <IP_ADDRESS> but ping ynet.local outputs host not found
[07:27] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: since we started depending on xulrunner it shouldnt have. but i have been gone for a little over a week so i havent kept up with it. ive been working on other aspects of mozilla
[07:28] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: I haven't tried it in at least a year
[07:28] <yang_> dns53: and just so you know i can ping ynet.local on the server and from windows box it is a problem w/ Karmic box'
[07:29] <dns53> i don't see how dig works and nothing else does
[07:29] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: than maybe the move to xulrunner stopped that. (dont recall what everything depended on but now all depend on xulrunner-1.9*
[07:30] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: iirc they're all going to move to webkit too
[07:30] <Amaranth> Dunno if we're going to get that in lucid though since it would be a GNOME 3.0 thing
[07:31] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: yep i dont think mozilla is yet though
[07:31] <Amaranth> heh
[07:31] <Amaranth> I meant eventually I'll be able to uninstall xulrunner too
[07:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[07:34] <yang_> dns53: i dont know should i pastebin digs output for you? it is returning ip address
[07:34] <yang_> dns53: the whole setup works on windows box. i just tested on brothers computer
[07:36] <dns53> yang_ well dig is connecting out on udp to the dns server on your network,so why does udp work and none of the other protocols work
[07:37] <yang_> is there some kind of udp service i can use to test if ip resolves for all udp?
[07:39] <dns53> could it be ip6 related?
[07:39] <yang_> dns53: how are you highliting messages sent to me is that name: or @name?
[07:40] <yang_> dns53: no is hole network is ipv4
[07:40] <dns53> any time you mention someone's nick in xchat it hilights your name
[07:40] <dns53> yang_ this will be in red
[07:40] <Amaranth> yang_: So you can dig but can't ping or get to any websites?
[07:41] <yang_> dns53: close.. orange..  yeah i can dig server. i can't ping and konqueror gives domain not online
[07:41] <Amaranth> how about tracepath?
[07:41] <yang_> dns53: ping gives : ping: unknown host ynet.local
[07:41] <Amaranth> You can't ping local systems? o_O
[07:42] <dns53> yeah how can you resolve a host but nothing else works
[07:42] <yang_> dns53: gethostbyname2: Unknown host.
[07:42] <yang_> but host ynet.local gives ynet.local has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:43] <Amaranth> yang_: try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:44] <yang_> works
[07:44] <Amaranth> yang_: ok now edit /etc/resolv.conf to have 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' and nothing else
[07:45] <yang_> done
[07:45] <Amaranth> yang_: now ping google.com
[07:45] <yang_> works
[07:45] <Amaranth> now open konq
[07:46] <yang_> okay
[07:46] <Amaranth> yang_: Looks like your DNS server was broken
[07:46] <yang_> Then why does it work with windows client?
[07:46] <yang_> and why can i resolve with host ynet.local <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:47] <dns53> your os caches dns entries, go to somewhere you have not been in a week
[07:47] <Amaranth> dns53: I doubt he has been to <IP_ADDRESS> (and it doesn't go through DNS to get to that anyway)
[07:47] <yang_> works
[07:48] <yang_> yeh but problem is it works on windows client, it works on server. but not on karmic.
[07:48] <yang_> i can ping resolve and hit server from browser in windows and i can ping on server.
[07:48] <Amaranth> I've seen weird things happen when /etc/hosts is broken
[07:49] <yang_> hmm windows nslookup mention no domain name for server
[07:49] <yang_> is this normal :
[07:49] <yang_> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost
[07:49] <yang_> <IP_ADDRESS>       yserver.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.    yserver
[07:50] <Amaranth> Also I'm pretty sure avahi "owns" .local
[07:50] <yang_> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost is nomral but the second line/
[07:50] <Amaranth> It may be trying to look up the IP with avahi
[07:51] <yang_> the browser and ping command?
[07:51] <yang_> is there away to test?
[07:52] <Amaranth> yang_: Sure, try a name other than ynet.local
[07:52] <Amaranth> like just ynet or something
[07:52] <Amaranth> put that in your /etc/hosts and see if you can ping it
[07:53] <Amaranth> Wait, ynet.local has been in your /etc/hosts this whole time, right?
[07:53] <yang_> no in /etc/hosts ther is yserver
[07:54] <yang_> and i know that /etc/host file works i have used entry form Terminal server @ work before.
[07:55] <yang_> so i know that if i add ynet.local to hosts file it will work.
[07:55] <yang_> becuase i have "<IP_ADDRESS>        yserver" in hosts
[07:56] <Amaranth> yang_: Why would you expect ynet.local to work without putting it in /etc/hosts?
[07:56] <Amaranth> yang_: Do you have the server broadcasting with avahi?
[07:56] <yang_> i have a dns server setup
[07:56] <Amaranth> ah
[07:57] <Amaranth> well, in that case you'd have to edit the dns server to use something other than .local to test this
[07:57] <Amaranth> and change your /etc/resolv.conf to point at that server again
[07:57] <Amaranth> that dns server, that is
[07:57] <yang_> i can add a zone  and copy zone file and edit
[07:57] <yang_> ynet.test?
[07:58] <Amaranth> sure
[08:01] <yang_> your right
[08:01] <yang_> problem is with .local
[08:02] <yang_> windows is okay with it, but karmic isn't
[08:02] <yang_> must have to do with implentation of protocols for linux?
[08:05] <dns53> was avahi shipped and turned on by default in previous releases?
[08:07] <Amaranth> dns53: it was
[08:07] <Amaranth> dns53: But his server isn't trying to access ynet.local :)
[08:08] <yang_> is that related to protocal implentation or stack in linux?
[08:10] <yang_> related to /etc/nsswitch.conf mdns is higher then dns and hosts.
[08:10] <yang_> ? what if i put mdns secondary to dns?
[08:10] <Amaranth> yang_: that would "fix" it
[08:10] <yang_> not a good way? why "fix"
[08:11] <Amaranth> Well, you risk a local (avahi) domain being masked by DNS that way
[08:11] <Amaranth> But in your case you have the opposite problem right now so as long as you're aware of it there should not be a problem
[08:12] <yang_> so what i dont understand if avahi doesn't resolve why not go to dns?
[08:12] <Amaranth> I'm a bit fuzzy on how those bits work but I suspect it just assumes .local is going to be mdns or nothing
[08:13] <yang_> is there a reason for that other that speed?
[08:14] <yang_> btw thanks for the help
[08:14] <dns53> it might be how avahi works but i am not sure
[08:15] <yang_> not something likely to change ?
[08:15] <dns53> probably not, i think that is how apple defined the protocol
[08:15] <gsevil1> do you know where is gdm start up scrip? there is no gdm in rc*.d
[08:16] <yang_> i also don't think that there are any .local internet sites are there?
[08:16] <dns53> service gdm start, it's an upstart script
[08:16] <Michalxo> hello! anyone know how to turn off sound on gdm login?
[08:16] <gsevil1> dns53: where is the source of that?
[08:17] <yang_> so i mean by puttin dns above mdns i risk only zones on my own server resolving instead of mdns?
[08:17] <dns53> gsevil1  seems to be scripts in /etc/init/
[08:19] <Michalxo> Does anyone know how/where to turn off sound on gdm login?
[08:20] <gsevil1> how can I disable gdm auto startup?
[08:22] <yang_> ty dns53 and Amaranth
[08:22] <yang_> ill go bug avahi people to explain effects of workaround
[08:24] <Wizzir> hi
[08:25] <twinkie_addict> how is the beta so far ?
[08:25] <Wizzir> where can i report a bug in a traditional way?
[08:25] <Michalxo> Launch Pad
[08:25] <Wizzir> i mean fill necessary info in bugzilla? :P
[08:25] <Wizzir> lol, cool
[08:26] <dns53> Wizzir use apport-bug
[08:27] <Wizzir> i wanted to report strange titlebars flickering in kwin, i have screenshot and lspci dumps
[08:28] <Michalxo> Does anyone know how/where to turn off sound on gdm login? :-(
[08:28] <Wizzir> do i really have to bother with those lame applications?
[08:28] <Wizzir> seems that there is no 'report bug ;/
[08:29] <Wizzir> problem is really annoying and exists in all kde4 powered kubuntu releases
[08:29] <dns53> Wizzir apport-bug /usr/bin/kwin
[08:29] <dns53> that should collect info on kwin and start the creation of a bug report
[08:30] <Wizzir> ok
[08:30] <Wizzir> nah, "Couldn't connect to errors database" :D
[08:30] <twinkie_addict> 8.10 will be the long term service version right ?
[08:30] <Amaranth> Michalxo: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[08:30] <twinkie_addict> 9.10 oops
[08:30] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: no
[08:30] <dns53> twinkie_addict 10.4 may be
[08:30] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: 10.04 will be
[08:31] <Amaranth> dns53: The sabdfl has spoken, it will be :)
[08:31] <Amaranth> !lucid
[08:31] <Amaranth> We've also changed the entire release schedule based on the fact that it is LTS
[08:31] <dns53> Amaranth you may be right, i thaught they where going to make a decision later in the process
[08:31] <Wizzir> seems that al those "apport-bugs" does not know how to use proxy :/
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: Nope, he announces it in the video
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[08:32] <Michalxo> thanks Amaranth
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: only syncing from debian testing, all the freezes are half way through the schedule, _two_ betas, etc
[08:33] <Amaranth> dns53: lucid is going to be like the papercuts project turned up to 11 :)
[08:35] <dns53> Amaranth i probably should get off my but and learn how to package
[08:48] <zniavre_> 3 alphas 2 beta it's the first time the dev will be like that no?
[08:49] <rsk> there has not been 2 betas
[08:49] <rsk> oh.
[08:50] <dns53> the first beta was a few days ago
[08:59] <Amaranth> zniavre_: Yeah, the lucid schedule is pretty radically different
[08:59] <Amaranth> zniavre_: especially considering the fact that we aren't getting a new GNOME release
[08:59] <Amaranth> Ubuntu got popular based on the fact it always had the latest GNOME :)
[08:59] <Amaranth> Heck I started out thinking Ubuntu was a Debian repo for updated GNOME :P
[09:01] <Wizzir> lol
[09:02] <Wizzir> Amaranth: and it is one of the worst kde distro ;)
[09:03] <Amaranth> Wizzir: Everyone says that but no one backs it up with facts
[09:04] <topyli> common myth. actually you get a much worse kde distro very easily by building your kde on a poor distribution
[09:06] <gsevil> is 9.10 change all startup script to /etc/init ? I remove some service from rc*.d but it still start. How can I change boot order with upstart?
[09:17] <twinkie_addict> wow the look of ubuntu has changed alot lol
[09:17] <twinkie_addict> i actualy like the look of 9.10
[09:19] <darthanubis> twinkie_addict, me too
[09:20] <darthanubis> twinkie_addict, try the "breathe" icon set?
[09:20] <twinkie_addict> not yet just updated :) let me see
[09:22] <twinkie_addict> do i need to install them ? i dont see them
[09:23] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:28] <iflema> :P
[09:28] <Steil> hi guys
[09:28] <twinkie_addict> hello
[09:28] <Steil> anyone here run the ubuntu moblin?
[09:29] <Steil> i tried but the browser doesnt work
[09:29] <Steil> and it keeps crashing X
[09:40] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup
[09:56] <lodder> Hi, I'm having an issue when I maximize any window I loose the title bar, any help I can solve It, can't find it on google....
[09:59] <Elone> lodder, i have the same problem sometime when i login ~ i lose title bar and the top panel ~ but reboot do fix that.
[10:00] <u-foka> lodder, you have desktop effects enabled or not?
[10:00] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup >.<
[10:06] <lodder> u-foka: desktop effects enabled
[10:06] <lodder> Elone: tried rebooting it didn't help but going to do it again
[10:07] <u-foka> well I'm not on karmic right now, but with jaunty I experienced some ugly problems with the gtk window decorator at the early times (now these seem to fixed in jaunty)
[10:08] <u-foka> so maybe you should file a bug, and try to use emerald in the meantime
[10:08] <lodder> ah will it's not my call it's for a friend of mine he called the issue
[10:08] <u-foka> what is still buggy in many other ways but sometimes it's more usable
[10:09] <u-foka> sorry but probably we can't tell you an easy solution to fix gtk window decorator, because (how I see) it lacks any configuration except the metacity theme what it using
[10:09] <lodder> ok i'll tell hem
[10:09] <u-foka> maybe you (or your friend) can try to change the metacity theme
[10:10] <u-foka> (again in jaunty i experienced that some themes more buggy than other ones)
[10:10] <lodder> u-foka: ok, i'll tell him what to do
[10:11] <dns53> i've had similar rendering bugs, the gnome panel seems to go transparent and windows do not appear properly
[10:11] <Elone> lodder, try turn off visual effect see if it help ? System -> preference ->appearance
[10:11] <dns53> it might be a gtk compositing bug
[10:11] <lodder> Elone: did it didn't help
[10:12] <lodder> changing themes didn't help
[10:13] <lodder> but netbook remix has been installed and it goes auto to full modus , that might be the issue how can it removed completely
[10:14] <u-foka> hmm
[10:14] <u-foka> yeah, notebook remix has some feature like that
[10:14] <u-foka> i've only seen that once in the past
[10:14] <u-foka> but how I remember
[10:14] <u-foka> it had a panel applet that replaced the window buttons
[10:15] <u-foka> is your friend has that applet in his/her panel?
[10:15] <u-foka> maybe removing that disables this feature??
[10:15] <u-foka> anyone used notebook remix more??
[10:17] <eagles0513875> u-foka: try keep everything on one line
[10:17] <lodder> well he found a programm called maximus thinking it might be the issue
[10:18] <u-foka> eagles0513875, sorry
[10:19] <eagles0513875> u-foka: its ok
[10:20] <u-foka> lodder, well maximus's description (http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/maximus) tells that it is a window manager?!?! if is it, maybe compiz --replace replaces it and gets anything back to normal
[10:22] <gsevil> I'm still stuck on gdm, I delete /etc/init/gdm.conf , start normal, copy gdm.conf to /etc/init then run: service gdm start, gdm start normally, but next reboot, gdm auto start fail. I think this is boot order problem, do you know how to make gdm start up last
[10:22] <lodder> u-foka: ok
[10:24] <lodder> u-foka: well by removing it solved the issue
[10:24] <u-foka> lodder, fine :)
[10:26] <ikonia> !info xtightvncviewer
[10:26] <u-foka> gsevil, "sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove && sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults" does helps you? it will remove every gdm initscript ant then readd the defaults
[10:33] <yofel> good morning folks
[10:35] <eagles0513875> morning yofel
[10:35] <gsevil> u-foka: I already did it, but it still fail, 9.10 change to upstart, so when I add gdm.conf to /etc/init it have its boot order, I want to change that with upstart
[10:35] <u-foka> it was broken immediately after installation, or after what?
[10:36] <u-foka> because I installed the beta
[10:36] <Amaranth> gsevil: gdm starts as soon as it is able
[10:36] <Amaranth> gsevil: Trying to make it start sooner will break because it won't have its requirements met
[10:36] <u-foka> and after I installed any updates but it's fineever
[10:38] <gsevil> Amaranth: that's what i want to do, I want it the last service start
[10:39] <yofel> gsevil: can you check if hal is started after boot? 'initctl list' will tell you
[10:39] <yofel> gsevil: and can you try 'initctl emit filesystem' to make sure that mountall isn't at fault here?
[10:40] <freinhard> bullgard4: you had problems changing virtual desktops on i915?
[10:41] <gsevil> yofel: hal is started, and initctl emit filesystem doesn't show any things
[10:42] <yofel> gsevil: upstart works in the way, that gdm.conf waits for hal to be started first and for mouantall ot emit the filesystem signal, so if gdm doesn't start, try those 2 things
[10:42] <yofel> gsevil: right now, they should indeed do nothing
[10:43] <yofel> gsevil: and don't forget sudo ;)
[10:43] <gsevil> start on (filesystem and started hal) I see this, the problem is gdm can't auto start at boot time, but after boot to login shell, I run : start gdm , it start normally
[10:46] <yofel> gsevil: yes, I want to find out WHY it doesn't start on boot, so if you reboot and gdm doesn't start again, please run the two commands with sudo and tell me if something happens
[10:52] <gsevil> if I let gdm auto start, it hang at black screen, no key work, even change tty, ctrl+alt+del, just hold power button to reset. this is part of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/286073/
[11:03] <gsevil> yofel:  if I let gdm auto start, it hang at black screen, no key work, even change tty, ctrl+alt+del, just hold power button to reset. this is part of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/286073/
[11:12] <maxstirner> having a bit of a nightmare on karmic, I got a few workarounds going, but theres some bugs I can't identify accurately. I get X freezes + nautilus hangs (have to kill it upon first launch)
[11:13] <u-foka> maxstirner, is your disk tested ok?
[11:13] <maxstirner> should think so.. ;)
[11:14] <maxstirner> its always worked fine (is old admittedly)
[11:14] <maxstirner> after upgrade now not all too pleased.
[11:14] <maxstirner> theres this from dmesg actually
[11:14] <maxstirner> [    0.109181] pci 0000:02:03.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xffde0000-0xffdeffff]
[11:14] <PiktS> hi, how to check what program uses bufers. (my sys monitos shows 70 megs of bufers , but no external drives are mounted...
[11:14] <maxstirner> that bug seems know actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/424142
[11:15] <maxstirner> u-foka: do you think i should just trigger fsck first?
[11:16] <u-foka> maxstirner, I don't know, I only thinks that uncatchable errors came from the hw in many cases ;)
[11:16] <u-foka> and because of you talked about nautilus I think so
[11:17] <maxstirner> nautilus does not open after booting, have to kill it, then it works fine
[11:17] <u-foka> anyway if only first start of nautilus hangs, and then it's fine and stable... it may be a different problem! i'l check that bugreport
[11:18] <maxstirner> u-foka: seems fairly common actually.. perhaps its related?  "also the system seems to be tad unstable, unable to run nexuiz but in the stable version of ubuntu it runs fine."
[11:20] <u-foka> maxstirner, can you find out what pci device this error comes from?
[11:20] <maxstirner> u-foka: certainly, how do i translate the pci address into a device please? ;)
[11:20] <maxstirner> [    0.109181] pci 0000:02:03.0:...
[11:21] <maxstirner> got it i think
[11:22] <maxstirner> 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[11:22] <u-foka> actually I don't know witch number is the bus
[11:22] <maxstirner> I think its gotta be the ethernet card
[11:22] <Amaranth> The bar 6 thing is harmless
[11:22] <u-foka> well then you should unplug the network reboot and see if it helps
[11:22] <maxstirner> i coudl probably just use the wireless as a workaround
[11:22] <u-foka> then we have a starting point :)
[11:23] <Amaranth> maxstirner: jaunty has that same "bug" the kernel just didn't tell you about it
[11:23] <u-foka> i'l be back soon, but now have to go for about ten minutes
[11:23] <twinkie_addict>  how do get full hardware exelleration from my radion x300 ?
[11:23] <maxstirner> u-foka:  very well.. thanks very much
[11:23] <Amaranth> maxstirner: Now in 2.6.31 the kernel tells you about it so people noticed and it'll be fixed in 2.6.32
[11:23] <maxstirner> Amaranth: i didn't use jaunty..
[11:23] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: You have all the acceleration you're going to get out of the box
[11:24] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: We install the only driver that supports your GPU by default
[11:24] <u-foka> Amaranth, it's interesting... sou you think the freezes doesn't related to that error anyway??
[11:24] <twinkie_addict> ah ok
[11:24] <Amaranth> u-foka: Most likely not
[11:24] <twinkie_addict> time for new vidio card i guess lol
[11:24] <Amaranth> u-foka: What everyone seems to not realize is we are trying to make the boot silent
[11:25] <Amaranth> u-foka: So it is quite possible 12 other things happened silently between that message and the freeze
[11:26] <maxstirner> Amaranth: u-foka: Yes, true.. I just find it hard to identify the cause upon hardware freeze.. do i look in dmesg to find out what was shte last thing that happened b/f the crash?
[11:26] <Amaranth> I spent about an hour trying to make someone understand this concept yesterday :/
[11:26] <twinkie_addict> what about an older version of linux with propierty drivers ?
[11:26] <Amaranth> d'oh
[11:26] <u-foka> Amaranth, interesting but you right! and it maxstirner try to boot without the quiet option can we see more?
[11:26] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: You'd have to go all the way back to hardy iirc
[11:26] <cybersplice> Prolific logging = fun.
[11:26] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: But you should be getting at least enough acceleration for compiz and light gaming
[11:27] <twinkie_addict> am but not enough for laneshift and regnum craps after login complaning about drivers
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:28] <twinkie_addict> i get it go fin on xp but i realy hate running it
[11:28] <twinkie_addict> so hardy hmm ill have to see if i can find a download link
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: Well hardy is the last LTS so it still has another 18 months of support for desktop users
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: So it's easy to download from ubuntu.com
[11:29] <C-S-B> karmic is pretty awesome if beta is anything to guy by. Im really struggling to keep myself from installing it.
[11:29] <twinkie_addict> are hardys update servers still active or should i leave the fresh install as is ?
[11:29] <twinkie_addict> karmic is NICE
[11:29] <SodaPhish> ahhh, koala blew up my sound, but not all of it!
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: you can't "upgrade" from karmic to hardy
[11:29] <darkham> kubuntu karmic will have kde 4.3.2?
[11:29] <SodaPhish> I love Karmic, its auesome
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: hardy is 18 months old
[11:30] <arielco> @Amaranth: hey, it's the guy who roasted his Jaunty setup upgrading to Karmic
[11:30] <omac> I just installed the karmic beta on my usb thumb drive.  After getting an error about fd0 I/O error...I found out the PC's BIOS had enabled floppy interfaces for a floppy drive that doesn't exist on this computer.  So I disabled the floppy interfaces and for both floppy A and B I set them to none since before it was set to 1.44MB 3 inch floppy.  Now, when I boot of the usb drive, it takes 1 min 15 secs to see the desktop from booting off the USB.  Cool.
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> !info kde-base
[11:30] <Amaranth> arielco: ah, thought I lost you :)
[11:30] <Amaranth> arielco: mvo says dpkg only segfaults due to memory errors :P
[11:30] <arielco> @Amaranth: as in bad ram?
[11:30] <twinkie_addict> i know that id have to do a fresh install i just mee security update with kernel and xorg  ones
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> !info kdebase-bin
[11:30] <twinkie_addict> with out those updates i mean
[11:31] <Amaranth> arielco: or random cosmic radiation :)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: looks like 4.3.1
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: is there difference between .1 and .2 ?
[11:31] <omac> Beautiful...stuff, but I must admit it needs a bit more tweaking for fan_control.  as it stands the fans are blaring full speed and the pc is noisy as hell.
[11:31] <C-S-B> I really cant wait for karmic but I'm planning to do a fresh install. How bad an idea is it to copy my /etc from jaunty for config reasons?
[11:31] <arielco> @Amaranth: so he's really confident about the code
[11:31] <SodaPhish> no, really, alsa is borked after I dist-upgraded
[11:31] <darkham> ActionParsnip, i hope less bugs..
[11:31] <SodaPhish> anyone have any thoughts?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: that is worth huntinig for
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> SodaPhish: reinstall or recompile alsa
[11:32] <SodaPhish> ...
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> isnt karmic all about pulse now?
[11:32] <C-S-B> its always been about pulse
[11:32] <SodaPhish> yeah, and pulse is pure crap, so I regraded to ALSA
[11:32] <omac> I highly suggest if you do a fresh install, do it on a fresh hard drive with no jaunty on it.  I heard the new Grub doesn't get installed if it detects the old grub on the hard drive.
[11:32] <C-S-B> and the lack of said pulse working :P
[11:33] <SodaPhish> haha
[11:33] <SodaPhish> truly, if you do many voice apps, pulse is shit
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> !sound | SodaPhish
[11:33] <omac> BTW....sound works with no issues from the USB thumb drive first try.  Congrats!
[11:34] <C-S-B> so anyone tried moving their /etc from one version to another?
[11:34] <SodaPhish> This laptop has always been karmic... and sound worked dandy yesterday
[11:34] <SodaPhish> so... thanks.
[11:34] <omac> I didn't have to touch anything for ALSA.  It's just using pulseaudio if I understand correctly.
[11:34] <C-S-B> cos its going to take hella long to get everything back to how I like it.
[11:35] <SodaPhish> hey, this is odd... running the Sound configurator brings up another dialog that says waiting for sound system
[11:35] <SodaPhish> wth?
[11:36] <SodaPhish> ima reboot.
[11:36] <twinkie_addict> downloading hardy thanks for the advice
[11:36] <SodaPhish> bbl
[11:36] <omac> If you do go back to ALSA, also install jackd.  Very cool....freebirth, zynaddsubfx, fmit, ardour, audacity, lives.
[11:36] <twinkie_addict> it will work till i get a new box
[11:36] <arielco> @mvo: hello. It's the guy Amaranth told you about who trashed his Jaunty libc6 setup trying to upgrade to Karmic. How could I be sure that my RAM failed? I want to help by gathering info for any analysis.
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> arielco: grub has a memtest option, you could run that
[11:39] <yofel> gsevil1: sry, was gone for a while, I can't see anything in the syslog I could help you with, but I remember somebody else already had those gdm respawning lines...
[11:39] <oldude67> grr i hate pulseaudio...have to boot into kde then logout and into lxde before sound will work
[11:39] <arielco> actionparsnip: yup, that's what I'll do as soon as I close this chat. Well, I'll be back if it passes the tests.
[11:40] <yofel> C-S-B: gdm and system service configuration changed much since jaunty, so you can't just c&p /etc over
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: try booting to lxde, run: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*    then press alt+f2   and type: pulseaudio     and hit enter
[11:41] <C-S-B> yofel: cheers
[11:41]  * ActionParsnip thinks lxde rocks hard
[11:42] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, will this be a permanent fix or something ill have to do all the time?
[11:42] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, and yes lxde rocks.
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: id say each logon, see what happens
[11:43] <C-S-B> lxde is the desktop of choice on Knoppix if I'm not mistaken. Looked great. :)
[11:44] <C-S-B> how the ubuntu distro with lxde getting along?
[11:44] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, ok ill try next time and see what happens, now is anyone else having issues with programs just stopping in middle of use?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: pretty sweet, the installer is having issues afaik, otherwise its sweeeet
[11:44] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: enough to sway someone from gdm?
[11:44] <oldude67> i havent had any problems with just lxde, issues with programs is with all desktops.
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: depends on the individual
[11:45] <aapzak> I did an upgrade from fresh 9.04 install and lost network, is this a known issue?
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: i think its awesome
[11:45] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: Glad you're having a good time with it.
[11:45] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: anything key that attacts you, or just the lightness?
[11:45] <oldude67> C-S-B, its the only desktop i run now.
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> ive used it a while now, low system impact of the desktop is my favourite
[11:46] <twinkie_addict> lxde is realy cool and with openbox as th wm you cant go wrong
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: i dont think the desktop should use most resources, it should be light to make the apps that you actually want to run have more resources
[11:47] <oldude67> ya kde and gnome was eating my resources up and lagging bad, switched to lxde and havent had a issue.
[11:49] <omac> olddud67...gnome and kde may eat resources, but when you have shitloads of RAM it doesn't matter and everything still runs snappy from my point of view.
[11:50] <omac> Different strokes for different folks.  Vive la difference!
[11:50] <oldude67> omac, ya your right there, difference is in the choice. i just thought if i wanted to have memory issues i would just run windows tho.
[11:51] <aboSamoor> I deleted an iso image but it still occupies the space ! any idea ?
[11:51] <omac> aboSamoor: sync and empty your trash bin.
[11:52] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: just reading about lxde, it's real nice but I think it would only end up confusing the girlfriend who just got used to gnome
[11:52] <aboSamoor> omac: what do you mean by sync, I deleted it using shift+delete and I checked the trash it is not there
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: true, its different to fluxbox in that it actually has a menu
[11:54] <omac> aboSamoor:  click the reload button in the nautils file manager.
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: is it in trash?
[11:55] <aboSamoor> omac: no change, the computer froze while deleting so I had to restart, now the 4GB iso image is not there but the space is not freed !
[11:55] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: no , it is not in the trash
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: whats the output of: du -h ~/.local/share/Trash
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: is it the size of the iso?
[11:56] <omac> aboSamoor:  you need to do a filesystem check....read about fsck
[11:57] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: the output says no files larger than 140 KB, yeah the 4GB is the size of the iso image
[11:57] <omac> aboSamoor: your filesystem is corrupt...when you boot after a computer freezes, don't press the escape key to skip the filesystem check...let it check your hard drive.
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> !fsck
[11:58] <aboSamoor> omac: it did not ask for fsck, reading fsck manual ....
[11:58] <oldude67> ok be back in a min....reboot
[11:59] <omac> aboSamoor:  fsck will free up any clusters that you have marked as deleted.  One other question?  Are you using ext3?  Say yes :)
[11:59] <twinkie_addict> yes lol
[11:59] <aboSamoor> omac: yeah, I am using ext3
[11:59] <omac> good.
[11:59] <Kano> hi, who is using 9.10 and has 100% load with Xorg when checked with top?
[12:00] <omac> your problem will be fixed assoon as your fsck is done.
[12:00] <omac> kano: Not me :)
[12:00] <omac> kano:You must be running many apps with almost no memory.
[12:01] <Kano> sure on a quad core intel with 4 gb ram
[12:01] <omac> ouch!  Awesome :)
[12:01] <Kano> nothing is running, just booted live mode
[12:01] <omac> the live demo is only set for one cpu.
[12:02] <Kano> it should not use 1 core at 100%, no and never
[12:02] <omac> You have to configure it to use cpu0, cpu1, cpu2, cpu3  or something like that.....smp
[12:02] <Kano> ?
[12:02] <Kano> xorg has to run with 0.x not 100%
[12:02] <omac> Are you using the intel linux or the amd64 linux?
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> ...
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> all not relevant
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> Kano: fully updated?
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> did you try turning compiz on/off?
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> X is using 3.0% atm
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> sometimes peaking to 13-15%
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> when i alt tab between windows
[12:06] <omac> Kano:  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> Kano: have you installed video drivers? Have you by any chance installed the bleeding edge Xorg?
[12:06] <omac> If you see cpu0-4, you're in business.
[12:06] <omac> If you don't, smp is not enable.
[12:07] <Kano> Ian_Corne: daily live
[12:07] <omac> in the kernel boot line:  additional_cpus=3
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> omac: you're saying his X is using 100% because only one core is active?
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> that's just wrong
[12:07] <Kano> omac: the cpus are seen, but it is not normal that X is runnig at 100%
[12:07] <omac> and make sure the bios has smp enabled
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> even with 1 cpu it should not use 100%
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> Kano: daily live as in on the CD?
[12:08] <Kano> i have got the same problem with 2 intel quads, one with nvidia gfx card (without nvidia binary 32+64 bit), one with intel onboard q45 (only 32 bit, 64 bit is ok)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: yeah i thouht that even 1 core @ whatever speed should be fine
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> try disabeling compiz/installing drivers, I think the cpu does all the work the GPU can't do and that might be the problem
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> i'm on an intel atom and it doesn't use 100%
[12:08] <Kano> Ian_Corne: i boot it via a network, but that should not affect X
[12:09] <Kano> i just want to know if somebody else has this problem
[12:09] <minimec> Hi. I have a regression on my USB-Speakers after the last update. Don't know if this is hal/device-kid related. Can anyone confirm some usb regressions after the last update?
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> Kano: well i don't, not on intel not on nvidia, not on ati
[12:10] <Kano> Ian_Corne: nvidia binary is fine
[12:10] <Kano> but nv is not
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[12:10] <omac> kano: what does your cpuinfo say?
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> yeah i've heard problems with the open drivers
[12:11] <Kano> omac: there is no problem with the cpu at all
[12:12] <omac> what kernel are you using?
[12:12] <omac> kano: uname -a
[12:14] <Kano> omac: the latest, i told you i use the daily live iso images
[12:14] <Kano> no hd install, just live mode
[12:15] <aboSamoor> omac: ActionParsnip fuser -mk, umount, fsck solved the problem thanks very much :)
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> Kano: can you try to change between compiz on and off?
[12:16] <Kano> Ian_Corne: it is impossible that compiz is running with nv
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: awesome
[12:16] <omac> in the live mode, press f6 and in the kernel boot line:  additional_cpus=3
[12:16] <omac> for kano...try this.
[12:17] <Ian_Corne> Kano: can you please check?
[12:17] <omac> do you see all 4 cpus in "cat /proc/cpuinfo"   ?
[12:17] <Kano> omac: the cpus are detected, the Xserver is the problem!
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> Kano: try installing the video driver then, it may help
[12:18] <omac> good then you see cpu0-cpu3 when doing your cat /proc/cpuinfo then?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> Kano: have you tried any bootoptions?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[12:19] <Kano> ActionParsnip: i know how to boot it via pxe, do you think i need extra bootoptions
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> possibly
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> free to try :)
[12:20] <Kano> thats a driver error
[12:20] <Kano> or the xserver itself
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> did you md5 test the iso you used?>
[12:20] <Kano> just want to know if somebody else has the same problem
[12:20] <Kano> ActionParsnip: sure
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> Kano: good
[12:21] <Kano> i run 1 system with nfs+dhcp+tftp server and 2 clients which boot the iso via network
[12:21] <Kano> both clients have got the same problem
[12:22] <Kano> it is usally no kernel problem as i use basically the same kernel on both systems all the day, just with debian as hd install
[12:24] <Kano> and with one core running wild thats fully crap
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> i'd check into boot options, its the control you have over the live session
[12:25] <Kano> which options? x drivers are autodetected and correctly selected
[12:26] <Kano> i just do not think that i am the only one with that problem. well maybe more would be affected with nv, but usually they use nvidia binary
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Kano: acpi off, no dma, no apic
[12:27] <Kano> ActionParsnip: that would disable smp
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Kano: maybe installing the nvidia drivers in the live environment may help
[12:28] <Kano> ActionParsnip: sure it helps, i told you it does not affect nv binary
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> Kano: could try bleeding edge Xorg.
[12:29] <Kano> which iso
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Kano: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[12:29] <omac> kano: disabled "dim display after x min" in power management settings
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Kano: add that repo, install latest xorg, restart X
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> Kano: not sure what version is in your daily thing, maybe its the same version
[12:31] <Kano> ActionParsnip: today
[12:31] <omac> kano: it has something to do with power management
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> Kano: means nothing, just because its todays doesnt garuntee any version of any package
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> Kano: if the version on that repo is later, you could try it
[12:33] <omac> other distros also have high xserver cpu utilization issues...solved with some tweaks to power management/removing power management.
[12:34] <severb> trying to setup dual monitor support using gnome-display-properties raises this error http://pastebin.com/m5f30c6e9
[12:35] <omac> kano: did you hear that? other distros also have high xserver cpu usage issues...solved with powermanagement tweaks/turning off power management altogether :)
[12:36] <Kano> omac: do you think i will boot my system with acpi=off when that disables smp completely
[12:37] <gajop> are karmic updates working properly? i didn't get a single updated in a couple of days; i used to get 20+ each day previously
[12:37] <omac> kano:   at least try this one:  disable "dim display after x min" in power management settings
[12:37] <yofel> gajop: tried a different mirror?
[12:37] <severb> why is dual monitor support so hard to achieve?
[12:38] <ripps> gajop: there don't tend be updates on weekends
[12:38] <gajop> yofel, no i haven't; was going to do that next
[12:38] <yofel> ripps: I had updates every day so far
[12:38] <omac> kano: then restart your xserver.
[12:38] <gajop> i thought it might have something to do with karmic going  beta?
[12:38] <yofel> gajop: yes, we do get much less updates, but there still are some
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> gajop: try: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <gajop> are translation_en_us sources always supposed to fail?
[12:40] <gajop> ActionParsnip, i did that yesterday and got 0 updates, i changed the mirror back to main server now, think i just got a bunch of updates
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> gajop: funky
[12:41] <Kano> xorg from edgers seems to fix it on nv 64 bit
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Kano: i use it myself, its awesome
[12:42] <Kano> i had to disable one check for tty and use nohup to start the test script
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> Kano: as well as the 190 nvidia driver
[12:42] <Kano> as vt switch is not working
[12:42] <gajop> btw, update from alpha/beta to stable release when it hits in November doesn't need to be explicitly done? like the update to alpha had to be done (update-manager -d)?
[12:43] <severb> Can I please get some help? I can't figure how to make my dual monitor setup working in 9.10
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> gajop: no, you will be using the same repos, just keep updating and you will glide into the rc
[12:45] <shadowhywind> hay all, Just installed Karmic yesterday, and noticed that the search engine icons are missing in firefox (apparently trying to get away from icons in menus) but any way of adding those back?
[12:46] <minimec> severb: Are you using a using a restricted driver like 'fglrx' or 'nvidia-new', or do you use an opensource dirver?
[12:47] <severb> I guess I use the open-source one as no driver is present in System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[12:48] <severb> minimec: It also says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[12:51] <minimec> severb: ok. Go to preferences/display in the menu
[12:51] <severb> minimec: trying to change the settings using gnome-display-properties dies with this exception http://pastebin.com/m5f30c6e9
[12:51] <minimec> severb: Check that 'Mirror screens' box and try to detect Monitors
[12:53] <minimec> severb: Hmmm... I don't know why gnome-display-properties is not starting on your system. Strange.
[12:54] <severb> no, it is starting, but I can't save any changes
[12:55] <severb> only if I sudo gnome-display-properties it works fine, but after I re-login all the changes I made are lost
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> severb: gksudo for gui apps
[12:57] <severb> ActionParsnip: that doesn't solve it
[12:58] <minimec> severb: If you want some Xinerama Option, I guess you need a working xorg.conf, as the Xserver needs to write some changes in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> severb: just an fyi
[12:59] <minimec> severb: Try to create a xorg.conf with sudo Xorg -configure That gives you a xorg.conf.new in your home directory. Copy that one to /etc/X11. Maybe that helps.
[13:00] <severb> minimec: thanks, I'll try that
[13:00] <minimec> severb: You have to rename it to xorg.conf ;)
[13:00] <severb> do I need to stop the X server?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> severb: backup the original first
[13:01] <minimec> severb: Yes, I think you have to stop the xserver. You could also boot in recovery mode.
[13:01] <severb> ok, I'll give it a try right now
[13:02] <severb> /etc/init.d/gdm --stop
[13:02] <severb> i guess this is how I stop the X
[13:02] <severb> right?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I think i may of found an odd bug.. Plug in a flash drive.. it auto mounts, shows up on desktop.. Now you can use 'unmount' or 'eject'  and either will let you safely remove the flash drive.. BUT - if i plug it back in. it dosent get auto mounted  any more. Dmesg shows it.. but it never automounts.
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> severb: no, just change the file then restart X
[13:02] <minimec> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> sudo service gdm stop   (another way that should work)
[13:03] <severb> ActionParsnip: running the command from terminal gives this error
[13:03] <severb> Fatal server error:
[13:03] <severb> Server is already active for display 0
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> severb: loosk like it needs stopping then.
[13:04] <severb> ok
[13:04] <Tarthen> Hey, how can I get 9.04's sound control back?
[13:05] <Tarthen> Karmic's won't let me enable loopback audio, which I quite frankly need
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. all my usb flash drives are not automounting now....
[13:06] <edgy> Hi, I had to switch to gdm, seems a kdm problem again. No shutdown and restart options in kde, is this reported?
[13:07] <Amaranth> Tarthen: build gnome-applets from source yourself, last time I checked
[13:07] <Tarthen> Whaaat
[13:07] <Tarthen> Ugh
[13:07] <Amaranth> Tarthen: What is wrong with the new one?
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  if booting to kde from gdm.. or gnome from kde.. ive noticed that some of the options are not availiable.
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  its been that way for ages.
[13:07] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: Other way around, the options are only available in KDE if he uses GDM :P
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> now thats just weird.
[13:08] <Tarthen> Amaranth: Before, I could go into my sound card and enable loopback audio: ie, my PS3's sound would go in the front and out my speakers
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:08] <Amaranth> Tarthen: ah, now you need alsamixer or padevchooser
[13:08] <Tarthen> Amaranth: The new one has no such setting, and it's a huge downgrade from what it was
[13:08] <Tarthen> I use pulse
[13:09] <Tarthen> I think
[13:09] <Tarthen> heh
[13:09] <Amaranth> Tarthen: If you didn't the new applet wouldn't work at all
[13:09] <Tarthen> Alsamixer doesn't seem to let me do it
[13:10] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[13:10] <Umeaboy> Why does 9.10 start to go back to English when it comes to menues and such?
[13:10] <edgy> Dr_Willis: ok so I need to switch back to kdm, was there a problem in the last couple days?
[13:10] <Umeaboy> I didn't choose this.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  ive not been missing kde+gmome lately
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> for the last few releases.. kdm-> gnome and gdm -> kde -  had 'issues' in the options they showed
[13:11] <severb> Ok, so, I changed the xorg.conf file
[13:13] <mercutio22> What would I have to do to install karmic's version of empathy in a jaunty machine?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> mercutio22:  i would look for a empathy ppa repo.
[13:14] <severb> Just to be clear, when I run gnome-display-properties I can see both my monitors listed
[13:14] <mercutio22> Dr_Willis: I found some, but none contained the latest and greatest, with IRC access and such... any clues?
[13:14] <severb> but if I deselect Mirror Screens nothing happens after I relogin
[13:14] <minimec> severb: That is a goog start ;)
[13:14] <peterva> Anyone else having lots of issues with sound in Karmic?
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> mercutio22:  use the source. :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:15] <Umeaboy> peterva: What soundcard and driver are you using?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> severb:  you need to restart the X server (sudo service gdm restart) to get xorg.conf reread normally
[13:16] <edgy> peterva: yes I have issues but it's working
[13:16] <peterva> Umeaboy: Intel 82801DB
[13:16] <severb> Dr_Willis if I save the changes I make in gnome-display-preferences and I restart the application the changes are already gone
[13:16] <Umeaboy> peterva: What driver?
[13:16] <minimec> severb: deselecting the 'mirror' options means that you want to use the Xinerama function. Until now, Xinerama was set directly in xorg.conf. That is probably why you should use gnome-display-properties with sudi rights to give the software access to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:17] <peterva> Umeaboy: sorry, forgot to paste :) -> snd-intel8x0
[13:17] <mercutio22> Dr_Willis: yeah, I will do that then
[13:17] <peterva> it shows up in lspci, but not in my sound preferences
[13:18] <Umeaboy> peterva: Tried changing to another driver in the list?
[13:18] <severb> minimec: yes, it makes sense, but I can't make the changes permanent
[13:19] <severb> as soon as I restart the config application all the changes are gone, like it can't change the xorg.conf file for whatever reason
[13:20] <severb> I also get a message saying Would you like Screen Resolution to set the virtual resolution for you? (Recommended)
[13:20] <peterva> Umeaboy: which list? :)
[13:20] <Umeaboy> peterva: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=Intel+82801DB&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packa
[13:20] <Umeaboy> ge=
[13:20] <Kano> it seems updating the nv driver alone is enough
[13:21] <Umeaboy> There are all the related bugs to Intel 82801DB
[13:21] <Kano> for the nv 100% issue
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> Kano: nice
[13:21] <arielco> @amaranth, mvo: I'm back from testing my RAM - it's fine
[13:21] <Kano> should be updated in karmic too
[13:21] <yofel> Kano: file a bug for nv and tell them that the newer driver works fine
[13:23] <yofel> Kano: and please use 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nv' from the commandline or the run dialog to do that
[13:23] <mvo> arielco: do you have something in /var/crash ?
[13:24] <arielco> Um, I'd have to boot from the livecd to check that. What should I look for?
[13:24] <arielco> @mvo: right now I'm running Pidgin from Windows
[13:25] <edgy> sirs, how can I assign Fn+F3 for locking the screen instead of the default Ctrl+Alt+L, I tried but it didn't work
[13:25] <BluesKaj> pidgin is cross platform ?
[13:25] <rsk> Yes.
[13:25] <arielco> @blueskaj: yup, it is
[13:26] <BluesKaj> never used it so ...
[13:26] <arielco> @blueskaj: http://www.pidgin.im
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: yeah man its awesome
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut \edgy
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, how ? :)
[13:26] <edgy> actually I want both of them to work
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: same interface on linux and Windows
[13:26] <mvo> arielco: hm, /var/crash should contain something that has dpkg in the name
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut | edgy
[13:26] <edgy> ActionParsnip: yes I changed it from there but it didn't work
[13:26] <yofel> ActionParsnip: I like it too, but since it has rather bad jabber support I have to use psi
[13:26] <minimec> severb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286152/ This is a xorg.conf with Xinerama... Maybe try to adapt your xorg.conf with these Xinerama settings.
[13:27] <arielco> @mvo: Ok, gotta go now - I'll check when I get back from the cotton fields ;)
[13:27] <veovis__> On my system, the live cd lets me use my restricted drivers for my wireless card, but I get "no propreitary drivers in use on this system.
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> yofel: i use carrier which is a fork, you can email the devs for requested functionality and bugs
[13:27] <severb> minimec: I suck at hacking xorg.conf
[13:27] <veovis__> After install sorry for linebreak
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, i tried kde for windows but the apps were restricted and crashy
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does the shortcut set properly in the gui?
[13:28] <yofel> ActionParsnip: do you have the link at hand?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: sounds like a collision of mess
[13:28] <minimec> severb: Yeah. I don't like that too ;)
[13:28] <edgy> ActionParsnip: when I press the Fn+F3 it's set to screensaver in the shortcut, don't know where is the name came from though
[13:28] <edgy> ActionParsnip: never tried keytouch before but I will do
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> yofel: http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/    if you are 64bit you will need to compile
[13:29] <yofel> ActionParsnip: ok, thx
[13:29] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I set it in kde component "Run Command Interface" btw
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does Fn create an event in xev?
[13:33] <severb> minimec: thanks anyway. I think I'll install an older version of Ubuntu and maybe try again 9.10 after a few months maybe it will just work
[13:33] <edgy> ActionParsnip: forgive me I need to go for 10 mins and come back ...
[13:33] <minimec> severb: can you give me the output of lspci | grep VGA
[13:33] <thiebaude> compiz.real crashes after startup
[13:34] <oldude67> well update manager crashes...but life is good..:D
[13:34] <severb> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[13:34] <thiebaude> and i dont even use compiz anymore
[13:35] <minimec> severb: ok.  now can you paste.ubuntu.com the xorg.conf.new you created?
[13:35] <severb> sure
[13:36] <severb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/286159/
[13:37] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[13:37] <minimec> severb: thx. I gonna have a look at that.
[13:37] <severb> minimec: great, thanks a lot
[13:39] <minimec> severb: and the 'mirror option' works, but not Xnerama. Is that correct?
[13:40] <severb> exactly
[13:41] <severb> one of the monitor is the laptop display and the other one an old LG CRT
[13:41] <minimec> severb: the xorg.new file is configured for one monitor only, as I see in your pastebin.
[13:43] <severb> hmmm... don't know why
[13:43] <phako> anyone else experiencing a unpleasant "click" before any audio access on karmic?
[13:43] <phako> with or without pulseaudio
[13:44] <oldude67> phako, my pulseaudio is fubarred i cant get it to work right so dont feel alone.
[13:44] <thiebaude> no but i trying to start gparted and ask for my password and i keep giving it and it says incorrect
[13:44] <arand> phako; I think I have that on startup, I don't find it particulary unpleasant though
[13:44] <phako> oldude67, no. I explicitly kill pa cause I need exclusive access to the device
[13:45] <Kano> hmm it is not directly the driver
[13:45] <Kano> something else must be there
[13:45] <Kano> when i do gdm restart xorg usage is low too
[13:46] <phako> ah, seems like bug 381201
[13:46] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I now tried xev and Fn doens't generate any even but Fn+F3 does
[13:50] <minimec> severb: Are you with me? ;)
[13:50] <severb> I'm here
[13:50] <severb> reading man xorg.conf
[13:51] <minimec> severb: have a look at that http://paste.ubuntu.com/286170/
[13:51] <Boondoklife> if we install the beta right now, and simply do the upgrades, will it be the same as installing the final release?
[13:52] <rsk> Boondoklife: no you won't have ext4
[13:52] <minimec> severb: OUps there is an error...
[13:53] <Boondoklife> rsk: ok so to have ext4 i have to wait for the final release?
[13:53] <rsk> no you have to install, not upgrade
[13:53] <severb> :-D
[13:54] <Boondoklife> rsk: I was gonna do a fresh install of the beta now, and then just keep upto date from there.
[13:54] <rsk> right the same then
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does F3 on its own make a different code to Fn+F3?
[13:54] <minimec> severb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286175/ Try to use that as /etc/X11/xorg.conf If it doesn't work, just delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[13:54] <Boondoklife> rsk: thanks that is what I thought, but always better to ask =)
[13:55] <severb> you forgot xinerama support first time, right? :-)
[13:55] <minimec> severb: exactly ;)
[13:56] <severb> ok, I'll give it a try
[13:56] <severb> brb
[13:56] <FFEMTcJ> how can I install non-free-codecs in 9.10? i keep getting solutions with a -19000 score
[13:57] <edgy> ActionParsnip: first sorry its not F3, it's F6. F6 alone generates an F6 code but with Fn it generates XF86ScreenSaver
[13:57] <cybersplice> FFEMTcJ: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> edgy: ahhh thats very interesting
[13:58] <edgy> ActionParsnip: why is it interesting and make those codes like XF86ScreenSaver
[13:58] <minimec> FFEMTcJ: medibuntu
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> edgy: well the Fn key is actually doing stuff, sometimes they dont, i kinda expected both fn+f3 and f3 on its own to be the same
[14:00] <oldude67> great and now the screensavers are fubarred too...yeah...what else can we have go wrong today.
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> i think i found my problem.. i installed the jaunty medibuntu repo
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> copy paste sucks sometimes
[14:00] <minimec> FFEMTcJ: ;)
[14:00] <edgy> ActionParsnip: does it work for you if you tried it in karmic?
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> minimec: once you said medibuntu, i was thinking.. i already did that... then i thought about it a little more
[14:02] <edgy> ActionParsnip: btw I am trying it from kde, let me logout and try it from gnome
[14:03] <Rockt> hi, I'm having problems with the beta, my cdrom does not spin down. mounted or not.
[14:03] <Rockt> anybody seen this?
[14:04] <oldude67> great, i guess one of the new updates didnt install xscreensaver so it wont run.well it least it isnt a total fubar.
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> edgy: i dont have any Fn buttons to press anwhere
[14:06] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Are you using a FrogPad?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: frogpad?
[14:06] <deepjoy> http://www.frogpad.com/
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> deepjoy: cybersplice: wow thats weird, but cool weird
[14:08] <cybersplice> Yeh. I had a bad injury at one point and almost had to buy one.
[14:08] <cybersplice> You said no Fn keys, and it popped into my head.
[14:09] <phako> eh
[14:09] <phako> why does totem modify my screen settings?!
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: i just use a ye olde 102 keyboard thing, no media keys, nothing. Just the keys you know and love
[14:11] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html
[14:11] <cybersplice> I still have an IBM clicky brick. Could use it as a mace from horseback.
[14:12] <severb> minimec: I had no luck buddy
[14:12] <severb> and grub won't let me select a failsafe boot
[14:12] <dooglus> hi people.  can I turn on logging in the IM client?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: depends on the client, pidgin has it
[14:13] <thiebaude> dooglus, which IM client?
[14:13] <minimec> severb: so what do you get after boot? Just a black screen or that x recovery tool?
[14:13] <dooglus> thiebaude: empathy I think
[14:14] <cybersplice> deepjoy: seen these? http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjLIZKAHQI&feature=fvw
[14:14] <dooglus> thiebaude: the one that came with ubuntu+1
[14:14] <thiebaude> dooglus, im not sure i dont use it
[14:14] <dooglus> you use pidgin?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: customisable full colour key buttons
[14:14] <thiebaude> xchat
[14:14] <severb> well, after boot it keeps flickering, I can't switch using ctrl alt f1 to a terminal to stop gdm from starting
[14:14] <dooglus> xchat can do IM?
[14:14] <thiebaude> sometimes pidgin
[14:14] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Yes, i've seen the little buggers. My incredibly wealthy friend claims to have one, but i haven't seen it yet.
[14:15] <thiebaude> dooglus, i think its just irc
[14:15] <dooglus> I just installed the 9.10 beta - it took less than 5 minutes.  that's astonishing
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: very OTT, maximum peacocking though :D
[14:15] <cybersplice> Maximum volume yields maximum peacocks!
[14:15] <cybersplice> I hate him. He has a sportscar.
[14:15] <cybersplice> I have... no car.
[14:15] <thiebaude> dooglus, my 9.04 install from live cd took 12 min
[14:16] <dooglus> thiebaude: I had previously made a bootable USB key with it on - I guess reading USB key is quicker than CD, but don't know.  I just didn't want to have to waste a blank CD
[14:16] <yofel> dooglus: you can do IM in xchat with bitlbee
[14:17] <dooglus> yofel: ah, right...  I think I'll stick with pidgin.  thanks
[14:17] <dooglus> what's the recommended way to install the flash player?
[14:17] <dooglus> !flash
[14:17] <thiebaude> dooglus, i do it through synaptic
[14:17] <deepjoy> cybersplice: no I hadn't I have not used anything but regular laptop keyboards for years now, came upon frogpad reading digg I think
[14:17] <thiebaude> adobe-flashplugin
[14:17] <minimec> severb: It keeps flickering... Hmmm. That means, that there are no major errors in the xorg.conf syntax, as the Xserver revcognizes it as correct xorg.conf.
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: if you run 64bit could use the alpha 64bit flash plugin instead
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> runs great here
[14:18] <minimec> severb: If the xorg.conf has some errors, you would have the X recovery tool, I guess.
[14:18] <severb> minimec: you're right
[14:18] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, i have a processor that does 32 or 64bit can i use 64bit flash?
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: it depends on the arch of your ubuntu, most 64bit CPUs can run a 32bit OS
[14:19] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, oh, ok thanks
[14:19] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, im using 32bit 9.10
[14:20] <minimec> severb: We could add Section "DRI"... http://paste.ubuntu.com/286191/
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: then you can use the 32bit plugin
[14:20] <cwillu_at_work> anybody know any good tricks to get grub to notice that my shift key is down?
[14:20] <thiebaude> cool
[14:20] <minimec> severb: See at the end... Section "DRI"
[14:21] <severb> minimec: but I have no way of editing xorg.conf. I'm currently using another machine for IRC
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: i use the alpha 64bit plugin and also have native 64bit jave via manual install, no repositories were used
[14:22] <severb> because the grub doesn't let me pick a failsafe boot
[14:22] <minimec> severb: You can always use a live CD to edit an existing Ubuntu installation.
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> severb, hold shift down before grub comes up
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> severb: boot to live cd, mount te partition and edit it there
[14:22] <minimec> severb: Why doesn't it boot in recovery mode?
[14:22] <severb> minimec: thanks for the tip :-)
[14:22] <dooglus> heh - seems the 5 minute install was nothing compared to the "Need to get 248MB of archives" I just found when checking it's up to date...
[14:22] <severb> minimec: it justs boots without showing the grub menu, I don't know...
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> dooglus, that's pretty typical of the days following a beta or release candidate :p
[14:23]  * cwillu_at_work repeats himself
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> severb, hold shift down before grub comes up
[14:23] <dooglus> cwillu_at_work: I suppose so - it's my fault for not waiting for the final release
[14:23] <minimec> severb: Press and hold the 'esc' key while starting the machine
[14:23]  * cwillu_at_work doesn't want to repeat himself again :p
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> minimec, it's not escape anymore
[14:23] <FFEMTcJ> ok.. im trying to make my two screens twinview using nvidia-settings  - it keeps failing to do it saying it cant parse x.org when i try to hit save... any ideas?
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> unless they left that as a fallback
[14:23] <minimec> cwillu_at_work: OUps... What is it then?
[14:23] <severb> pressing shift works
[14:24] <severb> thanks!
[14:24] <dooglus> oh, one thing that puzzled me - empathy is offering to spell check in english or turkish.  why turkish?  I installed ubuntu telling it I was in england, didn't mention turkey at all
[14:24] <JanC> left shift IIRC
[14:24] <minimec> severb: ok ;)
[14:24]  * cwillu_at_work SAID he DIDN"T want to REPEAT himself again :p
[14:24] <yofel> *sigh* karmic boot is so broken... rebooted my other pc and boot just stopped after routine fsck (without running it it seems)...
[14:24] <minimec> cwillu_at_work: Thx. Seems to bee shift now.
[14:24] <cwillu_at_work> yes, I think I said that three times :p
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: use localpurge maybe to get rid
[14:25] <dooglus> karmic comes with gcc by default?
[14:26] <severb> ok, so, when I sudo gdm start
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[14:26] <severb> I get unable to find users: no seat-id found
[14:27] <severb> GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.3 seconds repeated 6 times