[00:20] <PriceChild> Grrrrrrrrrr.... need to email rt in the morning to stop them cutting join/parts out of irc logs.... really annoying.
[00:21] <Hobbsee> why?
[00:22] <tonyyarusso> what does RT have to do with IRC logs?
[00:22] <PriceChild> /whois ubuntulog
[00:22] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, why what?
[00:22] <tonyyarusso> oh
[00:22] <PriceChild> i think even mode changes are cut out as well
[00:22] <tonyyarusso> no more fabbione?
[00:22] <PriceChild> nope
[00:22] <Hobbsee> why do you miss the joins and parts?
[00:23] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, because it puts things in context...
[00:23] <Hobbsee> well, that's true
[00:23] <PriceChild> and when someone makes a big speech... then doesn't reply to derogatory comments its kind of hard to understand until you realise they part'd
[00:25] <PriceChild> Hmm Pelo's going to add an autoreply to people not on his message "allow" list... :/
[00:27] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Sportsdude80)
[00:37] <Seeker`> evening
[00:44] <mneptok> ET ☏ ~/
[00:45] <LjL> mneptok: you could have used some glyph for ET, & if nothing else
[00:54] <Hobbsee> crazy mneptok :)
[00:55] <nalioth> oxymoron?
[00:55] <jdong> redundant?
[00:57] <mc44> tautological?
[00:57] <LjL> true?
[00:58] <PriceChild> marmalade?
[00:59] <jdong> lol
[01:00] <no0tic> nalioth, s/oxy//
[01:01] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah
[01:01] <jdong> *cries* if I plant my 1GB stick of RAM ,will 2GB sticks grow?
[01:01] <jdong> I promise to feed it and water it every day
[01:02]  * jdong needs to find Santa
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> jdong: No, you need two 1 GB sticks, champagne, rose petals, and candles.  Leave them all in a dim room alone overnight.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> !jdong | jdong
[01:02] <ubotu> jdong: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[01:02] <LjL> jdong: you'll get about 8Gb in no time
[01:04] <jdong> k thx LjL tonyyarusso I try suggestion and will come back with more questions
[01:04] <jdong>  /part #ubuntu
[01:10] <mneptok> i tried to hump my USB stick. it said it was saving itself for marriage, and i was only allowed to mount it.
[01:22] <JonathanD> ello there.
[01:25] <PriceChild> Hi there JonathanD, how can I help?
[01:26] <JonathanD> I'll likely have to wait for Seveas, I think.
[01:26] <JonathanD> he is the GC, aye?
[01:27] <LjL> aye
[01:27] <elkbuntu> the current one, yes
[01:28] <JonathanD> alrighty.
[01:28] <nalioth> JonathanD: what do you need?
[01:28] <nalioth> you may not need the GC
[01:28] <JonathanD> nalioth: PM?
[01:28] <nalioth> JonathanD: of course
[01:29] <PriceChild> ...
[01:34] <JonathanD> nalioth: thanks.
[01:34] <nalioth> np, JonathanD
[01:35] <JonathanD> PriceChild: confused? :p
[01:35] <PriceChild> JonathanD, nope I'm happy.
[01:35] <JonathanD> ok :P
[01:35] <JonathanD> good
[01:35] <JonathanD> thanks folks, take it easy.
[02:20] <mneptok> GC? Gay Commando?
[02:21] <jdong> mneptok: sounds kinky.
[02:28] <mneptok> jdong: yes, please.
[02:28] <mneptok> jdong: you do relize that your name is only better than Peter O'Toole's by 4.37 points, ja?
[02:29] <mneptok> *realize
[03:32] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[03:32] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[03:33] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[03:33] <crdlb> :/
[03:34] <jrib> hmm
[03:34] <Pici> wow
[03:34] <jrib> bots faster than me
[03:34] <Pici> <3 LjL
[03:34] <Pici> !staff
[03:34] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:36] <jrib> argh, weechat seems to let me flood.  irssi never did
[03:37] <crdlb> irssi ftw
[03:38] <crdlb> jrib: if you set /umode +C, I think that'll fix it
[03:39] <jrib> thanks, I think I'll do that
[03:39] <stdin> doesn't block /ctcp to channel
[03:39] <crdlb> oh nm
[03:39] <crdlb> then
[03:39] <jrib> "You'll still receive CTCP messages sent to a channel you are on, although the network will block your response to them."
[03:39] <nalioth> yeah, you'll still flood off
[03:39] <jrib> bah
[03:40] <jrib> will the floodbots automatically -Rr as well?
[03:41] <no0tic> simply setting ctcp_version_reply to off on irssi will do the job?
[03:41] <stdin> they should after a certain amount of time
[03:41] <nalioth> no0tic: that might be a better option
[03:43] <no0tic> uhm... I just checked that it only changes the reply message, it doesn't what I expected (not replying)
[03:44] <jrib> no0tic: did you get flooded off using irssi?
[03:44] <crdlb> I've never flooded off with irssi
[03:44] <no0tic> jrib, no
[03:44] <jdong> vorian: I thought next.
[03:44] <jdong> err....
[03:44] <jdong> disregard.
[03:44] <vorian> jdong, ?
[03:44] <jdong> vorian: stupid screen+ssh lag
[03:44] <vorian> :P
[03:44] <vorian> lol
[03:45] <no0tic> I've received 24 CTCP requests in the same second, but not flooded
[03:46] <mneptok> i think my client can keep up :)
[03:46] <mneptok> Host 'snowwhite', running Linux 2.6.20-16-server - Cpu0: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2660 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2660 MHz; Up: 18d+1:27; Users: 2; Load: 0.08; Free: [Mem: 12117/16241 Mio] [Swap: 1906/1906 Mio] [: / Mio] [/boot: 173/236 Mio]; Vpenis: 687.7 cm;
[03:46] <K`Tetch> just been sent to the read-topic thing - except, erm, not sure why
[03:46] <mneptok> 4 Opterons and 16GB of RAM is good armor
[03:46] <mneptok> oh, wait. these are Penryns.
[03:47] <jrib> K`Tetch: did you read the topic?
[03:47] <K`Tetch> yeah
[03:47] <K`Tetch> thing is, i don't have linksys/netgear, i have a belkin
[03:47] <jrib> K`Tetch: does not matter, did you change the port?
[03:48] <K`Tetch> plus, if it was related tot he port, my efnet what.cd, p2pchat and all the others also on 6667 would ahve dropped too
[03:48] <K`Tetch> but yes
[03:50] <jrib> floodbot should perform the tests too :)
[03:50] <Jack_Sparrow> FYI, the bot stuck me at unregged even though I auto reg.. but I am usine konversation in ubuntu, so it may be a tad slow..
[03:50] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: its not the bot, its freenode that forwards you there.
[03:50] <crdlb> Jack_Sparrow: #ubuntu-unregged is just the forward channel
[03:50] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: your client isn't identifying in time
[03:50] <Jack_Sparrow> AH..
[03:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Figured it was somthing lagging on this end
[03:51] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: if you use irssi, you can script in a small delay after it sends the password
[03:51]  * Pici wonders why the bots are changing the mode back
[03:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks, dont feel like changing for that..
[03:52] <nalioth> Pici: why they ARE? or ARE NOT?
[03:52] <Pici> nalioth: ARE NOT.
[03:52]  * Hobbsee doesn't have that problem
[03:52] <Jack_Sparrow> but thanks anyhow for the hint..  I can probably tweek something up to get Konv to work better
[03:52]  * Hobbsee autoidentifies, before joining
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Jack_Sparrow: is your password in the server p/w box?
[03:53] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[03:53] <nalioth> Pici: they may not be programmed to do so
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i wonder why you don't appear registered, then
[03:53] <nalioth> Pici: it's better for a human to do it, anyway
[03:53] <Jack_Sparrow> It reg's me.. but seems to lag somewhere anf it tries to autojoin before the reg.. just occasionally
[03:54] <jrib> K`Tetch: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thanks for your patience
[03:54] <Jack_Sparrow> If I type /j #Ubuntu as soon as I see ub - unregged I get in fine.
[03:54] <K`Tetch> k, thanks jrib
[03:54]  * K`Tetch goes back to waiting for mjg59 to surface
[03:55] <mneptok> K`Tetch: what do you need from Matthew?
[03:55] <K`Tetch> interview
[03:55] <K`Tetch> about the uni toolkit
[03:55] <mneptok> heh
[03:56] <mneptok> what do you want to know?
[03:56] <K`Tetch> i work with (amongst other thigns) the US pirate party, and TorrentFreak
[03:56] <Condoulo> test?
[03:56] <K`Tetch> well, most of the pirate parties, in fact
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mneptok: oy.  send us some testing laptops, plz.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> we know you have them.
[03:56] <mneptok> Hobbsee: indeed we do.
[03:57] <Condoulo> so who does the testing?
[03:57] <nalioth> Condoulo: have you followed the steps?
[03:57] <Condoulo> nalioth- yes
[03:57] <Pici> nalioth: can we remove -r?
[03:57] <K`Tetch> mneptok - basically the whole side of the story
[03:57] <no0tic> nalioth, I found on its manual that irssi already has a ctcp flood protection: first it checks if the CTCP reply queue is longer than max_ctcp_queue (default is 5), if this happens it simply ignores subsequent CTCPs
[03:57] <Hobbsee> mneptok: delivery by the end of the day,  kthxbye.
[03:57] <nalioth> Pici: if you like
[03:58] <Condoulo> so how did it go?
[03:59] <mneptok> K`Tetch: there isn't much to it. the MPAA used Xubuntu as a base. Xubuntu is GPL'ed. MJG asked for source and didn't get it. he contacted the MPAA using multiple message vectors, heard nothing, and filed a DMCA request with the ISP.
[03:59] <mneptok> nalioth: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[03:59] <mneptok> nalioth: 22:55 [ctcp(Condoulo)] DCC
[03:59] <mneptok> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[03:59] <mneptok> Condoulo: you pass.
[03:59] <Condoulo> ok. :) Thanks
[03:59] <K`Tetch> mneptok - doesn't make for much of a story though
[03:59] <Pici> mneptok: yes, thanks for doing it in channel.
[03:59] <Pici> glad to see we all passed.
[03:59] <mneptok> K`Tetch: maybe because there's not much of a story :)
[04:00] <K`Tetch> oh, i dunno
[04:00] <K`Tetch> the devil is in the details
[04:00] <mneptok> Pici: uhh ... that's a paste from my status window, dude.
[04:00] <Pici> mneptok: k, dude.
[04:01] <nalioth> wtf
[04:01] <mneptok> K`Tetch: it's a simple GPL enforcement using the DMCA. happens not infrequently.
[04:02] <K`Tetch> mneptok - it often doesn't happen with such a target
[04:03] <mneptok> K`Tetch: nope. but that doesn't change the rather mundane process.
[04:03] <K`Tetch> nor does it often start with letters like the one sent out mby the mpaa
[04:04] <mneptok> the one to Unis?
[04:04] <K`Tetch> ok, well, can I pm to clarify some details then?
[04:04] <K`Tetch> yes
[04:04] <K`Tetch> badly miscontextualising grokster
[04:04] <mneptok> sure, fire away. i have ~10m before i need to leave the office.
[04:05]  * Hobbsee steals mneptok's poisons while he's not paying attention then
[04:07] <nalioth> don't take his blood, Hobbsee
[04:07] <nalioth> he needs it
[04:07] <Hobbsee> no he doesn't.
[04:10] <Condoulo> ok, so would one have to be re-invited back into Ubuntu after passing the test?
[04:13] <nalioth> Condoulo: you can join #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience  :)
[04:50] <jdong> Seveas: oh crap I accidentally clicked the report malicious post button on a innocuous pastebin!
[04:50] <jdong> sowwee
[04:53] <nalioth> no0tic: why do you bother them in #freenode when you can ask here?
[04:53] <no0tic> nalioth, because I thought it would be offtopic here
[04:54] <nalioth> no0tic: we are operators.  we are supposed to know this stuff.
[04:54] <no0tic> nalioth, you're right, as always
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> (ie, it is, but we don't care b/c it's a more efficient transfer of information)
[05:02] <no0tic> anyway.. I don't think I've bothered them :) giving freenode related info and support is the purpose of that channel, isn't it?
[05:03] <nalioth> no0tic: yep, but why join a NEW channel when you have quite a few of the same people in here that are in there?
[05:04] <no0tic> nalioth 2 - no0tic 0  I surrender
[05:07] <nalioth> why are you keeping score? (and what are the rules?)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> the rules are that Hobbsee always wins.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> QED.
[05:10] <no0tic> nalioth, you have been able to hush me two times in a row, in both cases I hadn't anything else to reply, but I wasn't playing any game
[05:13] <nalioth> oh.
[07:04] <Seveas> jdong, that happens all the time, no worries :)
[07:05] <nalioth> Seveas: you know he's the biggest troublemaker around
[07:05]  * nalioth runs
[07:05] <Seveas> true
[07:34] <elkbuntu> Seveas, so what exactly did you say to your boss? 'if dont make me do the windows stuff anymore, i'll stay, plzkthx'
[07:34] <elkbuntu> s/if/if you/
[08:30]  * jenda tacklehugs Seveas
[08:30]  * jenda then proceeds to nalioth and elkbuntu
[08:30] <elkbuntu> eep!
[08:30]  * elkbuntu hugs jenda
[08:40]  * SportChick hides from jenda
[08:41]  * jenda finds SportChick wherever she is, and hugs her too.
[08:42]  * SportChick glares at jenda who is missing from a certain channel
[08:43]  * no0tic wonders what's going on
[09:20] <ubotu> gordonjcp called the ops in #ubuntu (PDQ is spamming)
[09:43] <dgjones> Hi, looks like two joins (AA & ws159) both look to have the same/similar host name, AA joined and started swearing & then both started talking to each other, looks like possible trolls in #ubuntu, could somebody keep an eye on them please
[09:44] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (AA & ws159)
[09:47] <ikonia> howdy
[10:01]  * elkbuntu blows the smell of anzac cookies in ikonia's direction
[10:01] <ikonia> ooooh momma !
[10:01] <ikonia> I could use a cookie now
[10:02] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[10:02] <ikonia>  cheetahfr> sorry to be a dumb cunt, good karma to you guys.
[10:02] <ikonia> way out of lilne
[10:07] <ikonia> elkbuntu: thank you
[10:07] <ikonia> you can cook, and moderate
[10:07] <ikonia> what a gal
[10:07] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:08] <elkbuntu> ikonia, what do you think mothers do?
[10:08] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[10:08] <ikonia> touche'
[10:09] <elkbuntu> so when you think about it, it's no real feat :)
[10:09] <no0tic> sorry, a little offtopic.. what could "I made a funny" mean?
[10:14] <ikonia> someone made a joke
[10:14] <no0tic> thanks
[10:15] <ikonia> #ubuntu is full of nuts today talking nonsense
[10:15] <ikonia> assistance please.
[10:15] <no0tic> I'km not op in there, sorry :)
[10:16] <ikonia> not looking for an op, just educated support people
[10:17] <elkbuntu> ikonia, who?
[10:17] <ikonia> everyone
[10:17] <ikonia> "32bit apps work on 64 bit platforms"
[10:17] <ikonia> "64 bit is broke"
[10:17] <ikonia> etc
[10:17] <ikonia> just total gibberish
[10:18] <no0tic> I'll do my best then
[10:18] <ikonia> and again
[10:19] <ikonia> total idiot !!!
[10:19] <no0tic> pay attention to p54AD73B0.dip.t-dialin.net users
[10:21] <ikonia> Stevethepirate just a general pain in the neck
[10:22] <no0tic> lol
[10:28] <no0tic> the whole channel is a general pain in the neck, I think
[10:30] <ikonia> it is today for some reason
[10:30] <Tm_T> laa
[10:32] <ikonia> howdy Tm_T
[10:33] <elkbuntu> no0tic, today more than others
[10:33] <elkbuntu> ikonia, must be planetary alignment
[10:33] <ikonia> much more than others
[10:34] <ikonia> something in water today
[10:34] <elkbuntu> it's not a full moon or anything either
[10:34] <ikonia> is "noob" still a bad reference
[10:34] <ikonia> I'm getting fed up of angel calling all the new users noobs
[10:34] <elkbuntu> ikonia, depends on context, and indiscriminatory use is not advised
[10:35] <no0tic> it's a real mess :) I can't follow anything, since I'm a slow english reader and don't know many ubotu factoids...
[10:35] <elkbuntu> !noob
[10:36]  * elkbuntu pokes ubotu
[10:36] <ikonia> please kick tere he's had the ubuntu-es info about 6 times now
[10:36] <ikonia> he won't stop speaking spanish
[10:36] <ubotu> Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[10:36] <ikonia> or check it is spanish :)
[10:36] <ikonia> and I've not given him the wrong factoid
[10:36] <no0tic> ikonia, *she :)
[10:36] <ikonia> ah
[10:37] <ikonia> ta
[10:37] <no0tic> ikonia, it's spanish, indeed :)
[10:37] <ikonia> thank you
[10:37] <elkbuntu> ikonia, he asked for 'spain' before too
[10:37] <ikonia> I missed that
[10:39] <no0tic> it seems that somebody know carrus85's nickserv password and keeps collisioning him
[10:39] <ikonia> no0tic: probably his client auto joining
[11:51] <Hobbsee> hey, who owns ubuntustats?
[11:52]  * Hobbsee is fairly sure someone here knows
[11:52] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, ask in -marketing
[11:53] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: excellent idea.
[11:56] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, why are you trying to find them?
[11:56] <elkbuntu> oh, i see now
[11:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> highvoltage asked
[11:57] <elkbuntu> yeah, i saw in -devel just now
[12:11] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:24] <deadlock> Can u test me :-)
[13:00] <Hobbsee> and you weren't fine.
[14:29] <LjL> i see we had a little fun tonight
[14:39] <ikonia> ughhh
[14:39] <ikonia> this morning was hard work
[14:41] <LjL> i see the bots were both slow enough to allow them to flood plenty of people out
[14:41] <LjL> *and* they forgot to set -r
[14:41] <ikonia> it was a tough night/morning
[14:42] <LjL> there's an intrinsic problem with +l though
[14:42] <Hobbsee> hm?
[14:42] <LjL> you join that dozen of bots that +l allows
[14:42] <LjL> that lets you flood out or exploit a dozen of people
[14:42] <LjL> then, you can easily join twice the previous amount of bots
[14:42] <LjL> which allows you to flood out twice the amount of people
[14:43] <LjL> couple of rounds of this, and you can join basically as many bots as you like
[14:45] <Hobbsee> this si true
[14:47] <LjL> i think the bots were slow due mostly to being busy banforwarding (and kicking, although most of the kicks were on nicknames that weren't in the channel) exploit victims
[14:47] <LjL> although that's in theory supposed to have lower priority in the send queue than banning
[14:48] <LjL> can i have decent logs of the attacks please? mine don't have seconds in the timestamps for starters
[14:57] <no0tic> LjL, I have them
[14:59] <no0tic> uhm.. my remote connection to irssi is quite unusable atm...
[15:00] <LjL> no0tic if you can send them to ljl ubuntu com you'd do me a favor
[15:02] <ikonia> well that is no fun
[15:02] <ikonia> oops
[15:02] <ikonia> sorry
[15:15] <gradin> ... hello?
[15:15] <ikonia> hi
[15:15] <gradin> i need ddc fix test thingy... this happens every like... 3 months or something...
[15:16] <gradin> though my system has already been tested and isn't vounerable
[15:17] <LjL> isn't vulnerable. of course.
[15:17] <LjL> gradin: if you say it isn't vulnerable, i may believe you
[15:17] <LjL> but evidence seems to point to the contrary
[15:17] <gradin> wtf?
[15:17] <gradin> ok now i'm just confused...
[15:17] <LjL> gradin, i just disconnected you, in case you didn't notice
[15:17] <LjL> so you are vulnerable
[15:17] <gradin> no i caught that
[15:18] <gradin> but the odd part is i had that run against me 6 months ago and i wasn't vulnerable...
[15:18] <LjL> gradin, are you connected to 8001?
[15:18] <gradin> so i'm wondering what the hell changed...
[15:18] <gradin> no i'm on 6667
[15:18] <LjL> that would explain it
[15:19] <LjL> you were probably connected to 8001 last time you were tested
[15:19] <gradin> no i wasn't
[15:19] <LjL> gradin, then let me test something slightly different
[15:20] <LjL> gradin, you're amoung the ones who are only affected by a specific flavor of the exploit
[15:20] <LjL> you were probably tested for another flavor
[15:20]  * gradin head desks
[15:20] <LjL> !ops | test with CTCP when you test for exploitability, mind?
[15:20] <ubotu> test with CTCP when you test for exploitability, mind?: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[15:20] <ubotu> LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (test with CTCP when you test for exploitability, mind?)
[15:21] <Am|Birthday> I always do privmsg and ctcp
[15:22] <LjL> gradin, just stay connected to 8001 anyway and that will solve your problems
[15:23] <LjL> Am|Birthday: your desktop effects have got another year or rust on them i see
[15:23] <Am|Birthday> hehe
[15:25]  * gradin sniffs
[15:25] <gradin> ok fine
[15:25] <gradin> ;.;
[15:31] <gradin> ... ok its done
[15:32] <no0tic-local> gradin, ok, you passed the test
[15:32] <gradin> yey
[15:35] <gradin> tnx guys
[15:35] <no0tic-local> someone should lift his ban
[15:35] <no0tic-local> I think
[15:36] <LjL> i did?
[15:38] <LjL> ouch
[15:38] <LjL> i discovered something not good
[15:38] <LjL> +f doesn't work with +l when the limit is hit
[15:47] <PriceChild> Just got email about cnr.com beta.... checked their front page and almost every single application listed is in ubuntu... can't be a good thing
[15:47] <AndrewB> Can we add a !hilite option that tells people to use your nick in a reply to a message
[15:48] <PriceChild> !who
[15:48] <ubotu> As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[15:48] <AndrewB> ah
[15:48] <AndrewB> :p
[15:52] <PriceChild> Wondering why cnr.com offers things like kdebase :/
[15:58] <ikonia> PriceChild: could you explain the point of this site ?
[15:58] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'm looking at it and I don't see the point ?
[15:59] <ikonia> just seems like a pointless site to download a package in /another/ format
[16:03] <LjL> unless someone intends that format to *replace* the current one :)
[16:03] <ikonia> just looks like  waste of time re-inventing the wheel
[16:19] <Myrtti> hrmm
[16:19] <no0tic-local> Myrtti, chanserv gave you voice and you only say hrmm?
[16:20] <Myrtti> well, it's been a while since I've been here
[16:20] <Myrtti> I'm sorta probing if I'm willing to start to irc on bigger scale again
[16:21] <ikonia> you should
[16:21] <Myrtti> I'm not convinced yet
[16:24] <ikonia> how may I twist your arm
[16:25] <broken> What happened, I was kicked by floodbot?
[16:25] <LjL> broken: you seemed to be affected by an exploit
[16:26] <LjL> have you not read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[16:26] <broken> I did.
[16:26] <LjL> then i can test you?
[16:26] <broken> But how is it that my router is affected by this exploit.
[16:26] <broken> Well I didn't change anything yet.
[16:27] <LjL> like plenty of other people's routers are affected, i guess
[16:27] <broken> Ok  I figur e I'll change the port I use to connect.
[16:27] <broken> be back soon.
[16:29] <broken> I joined via port 8001
[16:30] <LjL> let's see
[16:30] <LjL> fixed
[16:30] <broken> Sweet.
[17:01] <deadlock> Can i be tested :-)
[17:30] <access_d> anyone around?
[17:31] <jussio1> access_d: Im here, but probably cant help. ask your question and the people concerned will see it when they come in!
[17:31] <access_d> i need a test, so i can get back into #ubuntu
[17:33] <no0tic-local> access_d, did you read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[17:37] <profanephobia> we need an op in ubuntu-offtopic to kick this troll
[17:37] <no0tic-local> it seems ops aren't around
[17:37] <Myrtti> yup
[17:37] <no0tic-local> :) there she is :)
[17:38] <Myrtti> what who me?
[17:38]  * jussio1 wonders why people dont use !ops anymore... (not having seen the problem)
[17:38] <Myrtti> /me checks accesslist on -offtopic
[17:38] <Myrtti> no, not me
[17:38] <no0tic-local> uhm.. I thought :)
[17:38] <mc44> jussio1: because it's not really an emergency, just annoying ;)
[17:39] <jussio1> mc44: ahh, k
[17:39] <no0tic-local> Myrtti, but you can test those users waiting for that :)
[17:39] <no0tic-local> Myrtti, access_d and deadlock
[17:39] <Myrtti> I can barely test myself positive for irc
[17:40] <no0tic-local> I could test them, but they need you to rejoin #ubuntu, I think
[17:40] <stdin> you just /ctcp them (and /msg if you feel like it)
[17:40] <Myrtti> having both flu, badly upset stomach, headache, work related stuff with horrible systems
[17:40] <stdin> but I don't have +o in #ubuntu so I can't unban them
[17:41] <no0tic-local> ok, access_d passed
[17:41]  * jdong hugs Myrtti
[17:41] <Myrtti> did I mention babysitting duties after the download ends?
[17:41] <Myrtti> pyjama party with 13-y olds
[17:41] <Myrtti> fun!
[17:42] <no0tic-local> deadlock passed too
[17:42] <TheSheep> teach them to code :P
[17:42] <jdong> Myrtti: whoo!
[17:42] <jdong> Myrtti: you can teach them about timeslice preempting schedulers!
[17:43] <jdong> my little sister once asked me why the sky was blue
[17:43] <no0tic-local> well.. see you later
[17:43] <jdong> and she walked out in the middle of my explanation
[17:43] <Myrtti> I was considering teaching them about strong passwords and how often to replace them
[17:43] <jdong> and went to ask mommy.
[17:43] <jdong> :(
[17:43] <TheSheep> jdong: how rude
[17:44] <TheSheep> jdong: kids these days
[17:44] <jdong> TheSheep: I know
[17:44] <TheSheep> jdong: even nostalgia is not the same anymore
[17:44] <jdong> TheSheep: but then again, drawing the wavelength spectrum might cause disinterest in a 6 year old...
[17:44] <PriceChild> Did no0tic just pipe himself into oblivion?
[17:45] <jdong> PriceChild: giggity
[17:49] <seisen> I have a question about my irc cloak and yes I know why it got removed
[17:49] <PriceChild> seisen, how can I help?
[17:50] <seisen> my cloak got removed because of me being stupid yesterday so if I don't do anything stupid is it possible to get it back in the future
[17:50] <PriceChild> Yes
[17:51] <seisen> ok thanks for letting me know
[17:51] <deadlock> SWEET
[17:51] <deadlock> I passed, I DONT HAVE THAT STD.
[17:51]  * deadlock dances
[17:51] <deadlock> <.<
[17:51] <Myrtti> merh
[17:52] <seisen> will it automatically get put back on or will I have to request it again in the future
[17:52] <PriceChild> seisen, You will have to request it.
[17:52] <deadlock> OK, so...Can i join main channel now/
[17:52] <seisen> ok thanks and have a nice day
[17:53] <access_d> no0tic:  still can't join #ubuntu
[17:54] <PriceChild> deadlock, no0tic so do you want tests now?
[17:55] <deadlock> I thought i'd already passed
[17:55] <deadlock> but ok
[17:55] <deadlock> I can take it again.  Xchat > Network List
[17:59] <deadlock> PriceChild: Do i have to completel RESET x-chat, or just the network
[17:59] <PriceChild> choose the "Ubuntu Servers"
[17:59] <PriceChild> edit it
[18:00] <PriceChild> change the server to "irc.freenode.net/8001" without quotes
[18:00] <PriceChild> then close xchat and open it up again
[18:01] <PriceChild> Myrtti, daft punk... *shakes head*
[18:03] <deadlock> PriceChild: test
[18:03] <PriceChild> please :)
[18:04] <deadlock> Pretty please with sugar and all that special stuff . :-)
[18:04] <PriceChild> You can rejoin #ubuntu
[18:04]  * deadlock Thanks PriceChild and runs off.
[18:05] <Myrtti> PriceChild: tis good!
[18:05] <PriceChild> Myrtti, why do you subscribe?
[18:09] <Myrtti> my loved -radio, my playlist-radio, my tags-radios, other peoples radios, higher priority on the radio streams, no ads, etc
[18:09] <Myrtti> the radios mostly
[18:12] <Myrtti> my loved is nice when I don't have access to my collection at all
[18:12] <Myrtti> specially since there's a 770 client
[18:13] <PriceChild> ahh yeah
[18:13] <PriceChild> I'm wondering whether to get an 810 :/
[18:15] <Myrtti> I used last.fm a lot when I worked at coss and needed to space out in the cubicle hell but didn't want to first waste hard drive space with music and then keep mp3's on company computer AND wanted to keep my music collection in one place (ie. home server)
[18:15] <tonyyarusso> I'm pondering setting up a shoutcast server to listen to at work
[18:16] <Myrtti> outsourcing your digital memories to a place someone you pay for keeps backups == good
[18:16] <Myrtti> /me takes her temperature again
[18:17] <PriceChild> Myrtti, ill? :/
[18:17] <Myrtti> besides, flickr and last.fm have that social networking side-effect too
[18:17] <Myrtti> both normal flu and stomach flu
[18:17] <PriceChild> aww :( *hugs Myrtti*
[18:17] <tonyyarusso> rofl, this is so spot-on: "And then you go and do your homework, and spend some time at opensourcecms.com reading all the comments, and Drupal seems like the way to go (although you are still unsure why), and you go ahead and install it."
[18:17] <jdong> Myrtti: that's a bad combination :(
[18:18] <Myrtti> though I'm starting to suspect the latter is a result of last Friday/Saturday company christmas party, but feels awful anyway
[18:18] <Myrtti> my stomach rumbles awfully when I sneeze
[18:19] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to my company christmas party...
[18:19] <tonyyarusso> As I understand it, it's just an excuse for people to get drunk, which I don't do
[18:33] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: do you drink alcohol?
[18:34] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: Very rarely.  I don't have anything morally against it or whatever, but I a) have some medications that suggest I avoid it, b) don't really have much opportunity or desire to, and c) do have a problem with it in excess
[18:50] <no0tic> PriceChild, before I tested deadlock with the ctcp send and he seemed to pass it
[18:51] <PriceChild> no0tic, pm please
[18:58] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: fair enough. I've only ever had enough to feel ill once, and i wont be doing it again
[19:00] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: yeah, that's something I'd like to avoid :P  Apparently the CEO is pretty fond of his beer though.
[19:03] <Seeker`> i've heard some funny stories from christmas parties
[20:08] <no0tic> <IP_ADDRESS> what can you tell me about this ip?
[20:09] <jdong> no0tic: it starts with a prime number but goes downhill from there.
[20:10] <no0tic> lol :D
[20:10] <jdong> actually is 213 prime?
[20:10] <no0tic> no, it's a 3 multiple
[20:10] <jdong> no0tic: you're right :)
[20:10] <no0tic> 2+1+3=6
[20:11] <no0tic> probably 227, but I'm not putting my hand over a fire (you say it too?)
[20:12] <no0tic> "I'd not bet on it"
[20:15] <jdong> no0tic: the nerdy equivalent is "I'm not putting that in my CFLAGS"
[20:15] <ompaul> jdong, or apt does not have that option
[20:15] <ompaul> clfags you'd swear you were in #gentoo-ops ;-)
[20:15] <no0tic> jdong, :)
[20:15] <Seveas> gentoodong
[20:16] <ompaul> haha
[20:16] <Seveas> jdongtoo
[20:18] <jdong> Seveas: I used to be a card-carrying gentoo fanatic :)
[20:18] <Seveas> i know
[20:18] <Seveas> it still shows
[20:18] <Pici> jdong: you really had a card?
[20:19] <Seveas> he still has, but doesn't want to admit it
[20:19] <jdong> Pici: well a nice forum tag :)
[20:19] <jdong> Pici: apprentice developer ;-)
[20:19] <Pici> jdong: fancy
[20:19] <jdong> Pici: which means you rename ebuilds to match new version numbers, and comb through bugzilla going "REMOVE THOSE FREAKY CFLAGS"
[20:34] <no0tic> jdong, well I found it was a blacklisted spam source :)
[20:34] <no0tic> uff.. LjL I was talking to him
[20:35] <LjL> oh? i didn't notice
[20:35] <LjL> wait, i mean, i did notice, i just don't care
[20:35] <Seveas> hehehe
[20:35] <Myrtti> hrrrm?
[20:35] <Seveas> hmm
[20:35] <Pici> harummm
[20:35] <no0tic> LjL, nice
[20:35] <Seveas> jdong has his auto-invite back on :)
[20:35] <jdong> Seveas: and boy do I pay for it :)
[20:35]  * jdong edits irssi.conf
[20:36] <LjL> Seveas, yeah, but i had invited him already after forwarding
[20:36] <no0tic> jdong, well I found it was a blacklisted spam source or a proxy :)
[20:36] <jdong> 15:36 [misc]
[20:36] <jdong> 15:36 join_auto_chans_on_invite = OFF
[20:36] <jdong> there.
[20:37] <Seveas> yup, it's off :)
[20:37]  * jdong resurrects his old window orders
[20:39] <ompaul> jdong, that is a dreadful quit message
[20:39] <jdong> ompaul: that's why I love it :)
[20:39] <jdong> the LILO plague :)
[20:39] <no0tic> jdong, you could you ctcp exploit as quit message :)
[20:40] <no0tic> secondo "you" is "use"
[20:40] <jdong> then I'd actually get in trouble :D
[20:40] <Myrtti> who quits?
[20:40] <Myrtti> no, wait
[20:40] <Pici> wait what?
[20:40] <Myrtti> I did
[20:40] <Myrtti> :-o
[20:41] <Myrtti> /quit
[20:41] <Pici> why?
[20:41] <Myrtti> had no reason not to
[20:42] <Seveas> /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit /quit
[20:42] <ompaul> Seveas, you're missing one
[20:42] <Seveas> sorry
[20:42] <Seveas> /quit
[20:43] <ompaul> good
[20:45] <PriceChild> I don't get jdong's quit message?
[20:45] <tonyyarusso> heh, you don't get it?
[20:45] <no0tic> PriceChild, LILO error
[20:45] <jdong> PriceChild: it's a LILO error.... LILO's MBR contains the print characters for LI
[20:45] <jdong> PriceChild: LO is on the boot sector
[20:45] <tonyyarusso> aww, you people are no fun
[20:46] <jdong> PriceChild: but if a BIOS error happened when seeking to the boot sector...
[20:46] <PriceChild> Sorry I'm not l33t enough :)
[20:46] <jdong> PriceChild: LILO just prints the BIOS code
[20:46] <jdong> PriceChild: error 0x40 = cannot seek to sector
[20:46] <jdong> PriceChild: usually caused by isntalling LILO boot sector way too high
[20:46] <PriceChild> hehe
[20:50] <no0tic> to forward a channel to another I'm using +mif #another, right?
[20:50] <ompaul> looks right
[20:54] <no0tic> should I set guard to on?
[20:54] <LjL> yes
[20:55] <LjL> no0tic: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels
[20:55] <no0tic> LjL, done
[21:04] <Am|Birthday> wtf
[21:04] <Am|Birthday> i seem to have lost my channel limit thingy
[21:04] <Am|Birthday> that doesn't carry along with linked nicks?
[21:04] <Seveas> no, it's a birthday gift to get it removed :)
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> Am|Birthday: it does follow linked nicks (for me at least)
[21:10] <Seveas> I recall something about a possibility of losing it when adding/removing links
[21:11] <LjL> [22:10:45] --> err0r has joined this channel (n=wado@i3ED6C58F.versanet.de).
[21:11] <LjL> [22:10:45] <ImP0steR> Info-Line for err0r: [00:30:45] <+Err0r> ñëéðéí æä áëìì ìà ãå÷ø
[21:16] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP attack)
[21:16] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP attack)
[21:16] <LjL> ompaul, that is... weird
[21:17] <ompaul> LjL, that was a row waiting to happen
[21:17] <LjL> it's already the second idiot pasting that sentence
[21:40] <LjL> !info madoka | irssi without a user interface, and with more breakage
[21:40] <ubotu> irssi without a user interface, and with more breakage: madoka: IRC personal proxy, stationing, logger and bot program (pirc).. In component universe, is optional.  Happy Birthday!
[23:58] <PriceChild> Anyone ever seen the "free hugs" guy on youtube?
[23:58] <jdong> captain obvious to the rescue...
[23:58] <PriceChild> Greatest video ever
[23:58] <PriceChild> jdong, they call me bullet


[00:36] <god_clearance> has anyone updated from 13.04 to 13.10 ? any bumps along the way?
[00:44] <god_clearance> no bumps in updating to 13.10 from 13.04 ?
[00:46] <Unit193> I did it on several, just a couple things to change.
[04:39] <uBUXUBu> im getting a lotta inand out signals here and no chat
[07:17] <xubuntu380> hi guys and top of the morning to ya. what i'm wondering is, how does it pan out if i use compton for compositing in xubuntu. is it stable? I meant per these instrucions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144468
[07:40] <Noskcaj> xubuntu380, It should be
[07:41] <xubuntu380> Noskcaj, thanks for your answer. Just looking for some composition without screen tearing in YT and VLC. Actually, i think i enabled openGL inside VLC itself, so i hope that's good  atleast. I really don't like changing defaults :)
[07:59] <HardWareGuy> Soo if nothing is changing for 14.04, is it basically done and usable?
[08:00] <cfhowlett> HardWareGuy, ??? it's in alpha!  It will change!  but if you're feeling like you just can't wait - go for it.
[08:01] <HardWareGuy> xubuntu hasn't changed much over the years and releases, don't see enough changes to break 14.04
[08:01] <cfhowlett> your box, your problem if you break it.  have fun with that.
[10:17] <nikin_> hi. is there any way to make apt not try to use 700 Repostories? mosttly translations
[10:17] <nikin_> ?
[10:22] <slickymaster> nikin_: see this http://askubuntu.com/questions/135339/assign-highest-priority-to-my-local-repository
[10:26] <nikin_> slickymaster: i read through it quickly so i have to make my own repostory?
[10:38] <slickymaster> nikin_: all you have to do is to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[10:38] <slickymaster> nikin_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[10:39] <nikin_> slickymaster: i have just the very basics in there
[10:42] <nikin_> At some point in the update process.. it jumps from 99% to 1% .. and starts getting TranslationIndexes and translation-en stuff
[10:43] <nikin_> slickymaster: and thank you for the link.. but i do not have X installed
[12:48] <blinky_> hi all, got a problem.
[12:48] <blinky_> I have a GTX560 with 2 monitor attached, I have an intel onboard(i5 GPU) with another monitor installed.  I did a fresh install yesterday of xUbuntu 13.10 and had all three running, albeit I have to deselect the intel and reselect it for it to work.  I then installed the nvidia-319 driver and lost the intel monitor, removed them and installed the latest from the nvidia site and lost lightdm and the intel monitor.  I also have one of the nvidia monit
[12:48] <blinky_> or
  not able to get the correct res, any ideas how to solve this.Sorry for the monster post.
[13:40] <nikin_> is there any way to disable the download of the Translation-en files from the repostories? They do not download and make errors
[14:09] <juan__> hi all, i have a problem with my xubuntu. everytime i start the PC theyu start witohout the comand "xfwm4", how can i proceed to fix this? thanks in advance.
[14:12] <Sysi> open terminal, run »rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions« select logout from menu and uncheck "save session" checkbox when logging out
[14:13] <Sysi> should work on next reboot/login
[14:21] <juan_> Sysi, it worked! thank you!
[14:22] <Sysi> you're welcome
[14:22] <juan_> Sysi, can you give me other help? i want to update my system, cause i dont know if my xubuntu is the 13º, how can i do it?
[14:31] <xubuntu697> i have installed xubuntu alongside ubuntu 13.10 (or so I thought) There does not seem to be a way to change the session back to ubuntu
[14:32] <Myrtti> in the login screen there should be an option
[14:33] <xubuntu697> nope tried that, does not seem to be this option if I log out
[18:11] <joseph> bonjour
[18:12] <Guest99376> nobody ?
[18:13] <TheSheep> !hi | Guest99376
[18:13] <Guest99376> thanks
[18:15] <nikola_> Good afternoon  I think  I need help  I was trying to download  the devede  and xubuntu crash
[18:16] <nikola_> then I restart  my  laptop the xubuntu  bring me back to   default  view withought  my stuff and I can not see my files
[18:16] <nikola_>  I am still have  the  programms but without my files
[18:16] <nikola_>  my pictures and my videos
[18:17] <TheSheep> nikola_: devede?
[18:19] <nikola_>  a program  to   burn movies  on dvd  for all home dvd players
[18:19] <nikola_>  my xubuntu is like fresh install
[18:19] <joseph_> dd
[18:20] <TheSheep> nikola_: you are running it from a livecd?
[18:20] <nikola_> nop
[18:20] <nikola_>  I  have duall boot  xubuntu with  vista
[18:21] <nikola_> 300 G hard disk  that  the 100 of them  are in xubuntu
[18:21] <TheSheep> nikola_: if you go to "File system", then "home", what directories can you see there?
[18:22] <monatsend> hi there, i have a problem. after installing nvidea-current my xubuntu displays the wrong screen on my monitor. here everithing i got so far: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18121147/Screenshot%20-%2006.01.2014%20-%2019%3A18%3A03.png. can anybody help me?
[18:22] <nikola_> all the default   but  there are empty
[18:23] <TheSheep> nikola_: "all the default"?
[18:24] <nikola_> Documents,Downloads,Music
[18:24] <nikola_> Public,Template,Videos
[18:25] <TheSheep> no, no, go to "File System" and then to the directory "home" in there
[18:25] <TheSheep> not to your home directory
[18:26] <nikola_> same
[18:26] <nikola_>  I go to File System then home
[18:27] <nikola_>  and I see the same folders  but are empty
[18:27] <nikola_>  without my files
[18:27] <TheSheep> that doesn't make any sense, there should be directories for users in there
[18:28] <TheSheep> is this a standard installation?
[18:28] <nikola_> but I  have only 1 user me
[18:28] <nikola_>  what you mean standard instalation?
[18:28] <TheSheep> did you do something funny with it?
[18:29] <nikola_> funny?
[18:29] <TheSheep> like setting a non-standard home directory, for example
[18:29] <nikola_>   I do not have idea how to do that  I am niewbie  to linux like  baby
[18:30] <nikola_>  I like the xubuntu  because it is the only linux OS that I  do not need to download driver for my chipset
[18:30] <TheSheep> is your home directory on the same partition as the rest of the system, or did you choose a separate partition for it during the installation?
[18:30] <TheSheep> we could see that if you could pastebin your /etc/fstab
[18:31] <TheSheep> (that's a file in the 'etc' directory in 'File System')
[18:31] <nikola_>  I cut  1G  for swap  and the other 100 to put the xubuntu
[18:31] <nikola_> pastebin?
[18:31] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[18:32] <nikola_> ok wait
[18:32] <TheSheep> nikola_: you can open a terminal and type 'pastebinit < /etc/fstab' and paste the url here
[18:33] <nikola_> what url?
[18:33] <TheSheep> the one that it will print for you
[18:33] <nikola_> wait
[18:34] <nikola_>  I write  in the  terminal
[18:34] <nikola_>  and the terminal  answer that there is not such file or directory
[18:35] <nikola_> nikolas@nikolas-Compaq-Presario-CQ60-Notebook-PC:~$ pastebinit<etc/fstab bash: etc/fstab: No such file or directory
[18:35] <TheSheep> you forgot /
[18:35] <TheSheep> at the begginning of etc
[18:36] <nikola_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6704672/
[18:37] <TheSheep> ok, so it's all on the single parition
[18:37] <nikola_> yes
[18:37] <TheSheep> do you remember if you maybe selected to have your home directory encrypted?
[18:37] <nikola_>  o no
[18:37] <nikola_>  I do not think so
[18:38] <nikola_>  I have a password  but  it was  never problem
[18:38] <TheSheep> if you press ctrl+h the file manager should show also hidden files, anything in there?
[18:39] <nikola_> it has a folder  hide  that it says lost+found
[18:39] <nikola_>  but when I am trying to open it
[18:40] <TheSheep> that's in File System
[18:40] <nikola_>  it throws an error that I can not see  it
[18:40] <TheSheep> but in you home?
[18:40] <TheSheep> n your home?
[18:40] <nikola_> oo wait
[18:41] <TheSheep> I'm pretty much baffled, because I can't imagine a situation where user's files would simply disappear without being deleted or move by that user or some script that he runs
[18:41] <nikola_>  I do not  know
[18:41] <nikola_>  I was just choose  a program to download  from the  ubuntu center
[18:42] <nikola_>  and another strange  is
[18:42] <nikola_>  that   I do not see the  image on files
[18:42] <nikola_>  or folders
[18:43] <nikola_> if I restart  and login  in recovery you  think can  bring my folders back?
[18:43] <TheSheep> nikola_: can you do 'mount | pastebinit' and paste the url?
[18:44] <nikola_> you mean to write  in terminal mount |pastebinit?
[18:44] <TheSheep> I honestly have no idea, because I can't think of what could have such effects
[18:44] <TheSheep> yes
[18:44] <TheSheep> that will give the list of all mounted filesystems
[18:45] <nikola_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6704672/
[18:45] <nikola_> it gives me the same url
[18:45] <TheSheep> the number should be different
[18:47] <nikola_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6704746/
[18:47] <nikola_>  I run it again
[18:48] <TheSheep> did you look in that /media/nikolas?
[18:48] <nikola_> where is that?
[18:48] <nikola_> media?
[18:49] <TheSheep> File System -> media -> nikolas
[18:49] <TheSheep> but it's a fuse filesystem, so it may be a windows disk or something
[18:49] <nikola_> in that file  is my swap  files  that Xubuntu need to boot
[18:50] <nikola_> fuse filesystem is  the broken  file system?
[18:50] <TheSheep> no
[18:51] <TheSheep> fuse is a way of having the filesystem drivers run with user's permissions, I'm just guessing this is some external or windows disk because they are often mounted like that
[18:52] <TheSheep> but I don't understand what you mean by "swap files", your swap is on a separate partition according to fstab
[18:52] <nikola_>  yes I have  install it like that
[18:53] <nikola_>  but in media/nikolas  I see only  this partition
[18:53] <TheSheep> so what is /media/nikolas/Δεσμευμένο από το σύστημα ?
[18:53] <nikola_> the last   are in Greeks
[18:54] <nikola_>  it means  that  my system  needs this files
[18:54] <nikola_> the system has take this part
[18:54] <monatsend> can somebody help me?
[18:54] <TheSheep> monatsend: I really don't know much about nvidia drivers, sorry
[18:55] <TheSheep> monatsend: you might try asking on #ubuntu and searching the forums
[18:55] <monatsend> ok ty. i will try on #ubuntu
[18:55] <TheSheep> nikola_: you mean Windows?
[18:56] <TheSheep> nikola_: because I don't remember Linux doing such things
[18:56] <nikola_> no
[18:56] <TheSheep> nikola_: oh, that is probably some windows partition
[18:56] <nikola_>  the windows  are  in other part
[18:56] <nikola_>  alone 148 GB
[18:57] <nikola_>  my externall disk  is cut it in 3 pieces
[18:57] <nikola_>  one  is the  xubuntu file system
[18:57] <nikola_> the second  is the  swap partition that Xubuntu needs
[18:57] <nikola_>  and 148 G is the vista
[18:58] <TheSheep> I'm very sorry, but I really can't see what could possibly have happened there
[18:58] <TheSheep> I can't help you
[18:58] <nikola_>  ok thanks
[18:58] <nikola_> thanks for the help
[19:12] <elijah__> will someone fix the volume icon yet? lol
[19:14] <elfy> elijah__: for 13.10? if so the fix is released to -updates
[19:14] <elfy> lol
[19:15] <TheSheep> lol indeed
[19:15] <elijah__> w-h-a-t-?
[19:15] <elfy> elijah__: for 13.10? if so the fix is released to -updates
[19:15] <elijah__> let me check
[19:16] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2/+bug/1208204
[19:17] <elijah__> nice
[19:17] <elijah__> by whom?
[19:17] <elijah__> lol
[19:18] <elfy> what do you mean?
[19:19] <elijah__> nothing stupid idea. Just thinking that it was not assigned to anyone
[19:21] <elfy> elijah__: oic - think it was alistair buxton - comment 112/3
[19:23] <elijah__> i see
[19:24] <horrow> Hey everybody, i want to ask howto stop firefox from autorun after login? sry for noob question :)
[19:24] <elijah__> why does it run in the first place?
[19:24] <horrow> i dont know
[19:25] <horrow> just fresh installed of xubuntu 13.10
[19:25] <elijah__> somewhere in the settings session and startup
[19:25] <horrow> i tryed but no entry
[19:25] <horrow> i tryed also reinstall firefox but doesnt helps too
[19:27] <elijah__> i am speechless
[19:28] <elijah__> sorry i am noob too
[20:43] <Squall88uk> Anyone know how i'd go about making a cursor them? I searched all over and all i can find is guides on how to install downloaded themes
[20:47] <holstein> Squall88uk: which would you like? making a cursor theme? for xfce? or how to install a certain theme? what theme in that case? and where did you get it?
[20:48] <Squall88uk> I want to make a cursor theme from scratch for xfce then install it.
[20:50] <holstein> Squall88uk: http://orford.org/gtk/#cursors might be a good place to start, and/or try downloading one such as http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Polar+Cursor+Theme?content=27913 and just see what is going on there
[20:50] <holstein> Squall88uk: you might try a gtk or xfce specific channel
[20:54] <Squall88uk> Out of curiosity what is gtk? I know xfce is the DE but i have no idea what gtk is. I've heard the term a lot since i started using linux and never worked out what it is. Also whats x11?
[20:54] <holstein> !x
[20:54] <holstein> !gtk
[20:56] <Squall88uk> !GIMP
[20:56] <Squall88uk> i thought gnome was a different DE to Xfce even though they apparantly look very similar
[20:57] <holstein> Squall88uk: they are different.. they both use gtk
[20:59] <Squall88uk> ahh right ok i think i get it now. So when i use themes in general on xfce i use the gtk theme for some aspects of the overall look and the xfce window manager for other aspects of the overall look. Is that right ( or at least in the same ballpark lol)?
[21:03] <holstein> Squall88uk: gtk ones should work.. it depends on who made them, and if they are made for what you are using
[21:05] <Squall88uk> Well atm i use the window manager settings to set my title bar look (from a downloaded theme) then the appearance setting for the general overall look of the system ie greybird
[21:08] <Squall88uk> Or am I go about that in completely the wrong way?
[21:11] <holstein> Squall88uk: there is not "wrong" way. the "best" way will depend on what you want to do. the supported themes and packages from the repos should work easily and well. ones you download from elsewhere will be supported by the creators of the themes. if you want to make one, you can download one and look at how its made
[21:11] <Squall88uk> ok thanks for the help its appreciated
[23:35] <fredderik74> can you configure xubuntu 13.10 tu turn itself off at a determined time?
[23:37] <holstein> fredderik74: yes
[23:39] <fredderik74> holstein: how?
[23:40] <holstein> fredderik74: you could set a script that runs as a certain time
[23:40] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/83685/scheduling-startup-and-shutdown
[23:43] <fredderik74> will "sudo shutdown -h 05:00" close all opened applications before shutting the computer or will it just brute force close it?
[23:46] <fredderik74> it will only execute the action once, right? when I turn the machine on, it wont turn itself down
[23:47] <holstein> fredderik74: it will do what you script.. which is just "shutdown"
[23:48] <holstein> fredderik74: not sure what you mean by "turn its self down".. the script you make will run whenever you schedule it to run


 Great, and thank you! (re @ahoneybun: Alright looks like Linode let us off the hook and gave us one last credit.)
 We should do that blog post thanking them for their support over the years
 Indeed we should!


[01:17] <gand> hi all
[01:17] <gand> what about 5.10 PPC iso?
[01:59] <gand> what about 5.10 PPC iso?
[04:33] <enyc> dand: that was not released due to ''stupid bug'' r.er ltsp  apparently
[04:34] <enyc> gand: that was not released due to ''stupid bug'' r.er ltsp  apparently
[04:35] <enyc> r.e. ltsp
[05:34] <JohnnyCastaway> 10th install works fine now
[07:59] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:29] <Yagisan> \sh - you gave my multi-client-arch patches a test ?
[11:30] <\sh> Yagisan: ogra had..I was the test candidate ;)
[11:31] <ajmitch_> hey Yagisan
[11:31] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch_
[11:32] <ajmitch_> \sh: I hope you're looking at malone 3014
[11:32] <Yagisan> \sh: amd64 server + i386 client ?
[11:32] <ajmitch_> jabberd2 bug, shall I reassign to MOTUIM?
[11:32] <\sh> Yagisan: yepp
[11:32] <\sh> ajmitch_: moment
[11:33] <ajmitch_> probably OT for here, but I'm sure that jabber has an educational use ;)
[11:34] <\sh> ajmitch_: leave it for motu....I think this behaviour is upstream....
[11:34] <\sh> jabberd2 is a mess sometimes :(
[11:34] <ajmitch_> ok
[11:34] <\sh> I'd set a bookmark to it
[11:35] <\sh> Yagisan: test case was
[11:35] <\sh> amd64 server, dhcp on amd64, connection from amd64 to lan via wlan...
[11:35] <\sh> client i386 -> pxe boot from amd64 server via wired lan, routing was done via wlan from amd64
[11:35] <\sh> result: works ;)
[11:36] <\sh> very uncommon routing scenario...but hey ;)
[11:36] <Yagisan> \sh: excellent - I already deployed amd64 server + dhcp on amd64, but my i386 clients boot with etherboot
[11:37] <Yagisan> \sh: qemu isn't yet up to the task of extending the patch yet :(
[11:37] <\sh> Yagisan: well...at least there is a new + for edubuntu for the next release
[11:38] <Yagisan> \sh: yep, all we need now is local apps :)
[04:18] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[04:21] <Yagisan> G'day highvoltage
[04:21] <highvoltage> Hi Mr Jones
[04:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage, only the government calls me that, even my family call me Yagisan :)
[04:22] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:23] <highvoltage> whenever i see someones surname is 'Jones' I think of the counting crows song
[04:23] <highvoltage> so saying Mr Jones at some stage is inevitable, at least i got it out of the way now ;)
[04:24] <Yagisan> the funny thing about having Jones as a surname is that the police don't think it is your real name
[04:24] <Yagisan> because it's such a popular surname
[04:25] <Yagisan> so whats up highvoltage ?
[04:26] <highvoltage> dreading monday, mostly. :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> i need to take a few days leave to relax but just haven't had the chance yet.
[04:26] <highvoltage> i think i just have to come to terms that i'm a workoholic
[04:26] <Yagisan> It's already monday here
[04:27] <Yagisan> you must like what you do then
[04:27] <highvoltage> lucky you, you're closer to friday :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> i do. intensely :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> then again, i like everything i do. if i can't enjoy what i'm doing, then there's probably not much point in doing it.
[04:27] <Yagisan> meh - I have to find customers - now (I have $10au left =-O )
[04:28] <highvoltage> ah, australian
[04:28] <highvoltage> where in .au do you live?
[04:28] <Yagisan> Sydney, (Lidcombe, about 20 minute walk to Olympic site)
[04:29] <highvoltage> wow, what a fantastic city to live in.
[04:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage - could you look here and tell me what you think http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/index.html
[04:29] <highvoltage> i think that's one of very few places where i'd live rather than here.
[04:29] <Yagisan> I'm redesigning the website and have done a mockup
[04:29] <highvoltage> i'll have to look tomorrow, have very, very little internet access right now (on GPRS atm)
[04:29] <Yagisan> It's too expensive here
[04:30] <Yagisan> GPRS - mobile phone ?
[04:31] <Yagisan> highvoltage - you're in South Africa ?
[04:31] <highvoltage> yep
[04:34] <highvoltage> Yagisan: are you an ubuntu developer?
[04:35] <Yagisan> highvoltage: no, I "freelance"
[04:35] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I develop on what I use for work
[04:36] <Yagisan> highvoltage: what do you need/want ?
[04:37] <highvoltage> that's a tough question. i guess i'd have to say a 30 hour day.
[04:37] <highvoltage> no, sorry, i take that back.
[04:38] <highvoltage> i think we all need three day weekends.
[04:38] <highvoltage> it would solve many problems around the world.
[04:38] <Yagisan> I'd like an extra pair of hands, and eyes in the back of my head while I'm at it
[04:38] <highvoltage> and because people will technically work less, companies will have to hire more people, and the world unemployment rate will go down rapidly.
[04:39] <highvoltage> why an extra two hands? i think 3 hands is perfectly adequate..
[04:39] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I would love to hire people, but I'm having a hard time convincing businesses to spend money
[04:40] <Yagisan> highvoltage: you must not have kids yet ..
[04:40] <highvoltage> nope, how did you deduct this? :)
[04:41] <Yagisan> highvoltage: after you have kids, you'll realise that you need at least four hands for them
[04:41] <highvoltage> ah, good point. i'll keep that in mind if i ever have the oppertunity to get more hands.
[04:43] <Yagisan> highvoltage: If you get some, send an extra pair (or two) my way :)
[04:44] <highvoltage> ok.
[04:45] <highvoltage> must be.
[04:46] <highvoltage> Yagisan: what do you think about the edubuntu webpage?
[04:55] <Yagisan> highvoltage: the front page has a cute childrens feel to it
[04:56] <Yagisan> highvoltage: It does feel slow though
[04:56] <highvoltage> i think all the ubuntu sites are getting slower and slower
[04:56] <highvoltage> the wiki is especially slow.
[04:56] <highvoltage> i wonder if it's the high demand.
[04:56] <highvoltage> perhaps it's because so many people are downloading breezy, so there's little bandwidth.
[04:59] <Yagisan> I ended up deciding against a wiki because all wikis I've used are slow
[04:59] <Yagisan> I'm doing hand crafted html + css, with about 4-5 small images a page
[05:00] <Yagisan> a lot of people here still are on dialup
[05:00] <highvoltage> hand crafted is cool.
[05:00] <highvoltage> broadband in south africa doesn't really exist, so dial-up is still very popular here as well.
[05:00] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I makes me feel old, I haven't hand crafted html since 2001
[05:01] <Yagisan> highvoltage: the link I posted would probably come up over gprs rather quickly
[05:03] <highvoltage> i checked it over gprs (but without images to reduce cost) looks nice.
[05:03] <highvoltage> content management systems are sometimes useful, but mostly overrated.
[05:04] <Yagisan> thanks highvoltage, I did the colour scheme to match my business cards, I don't know if the css menus will flyout on IE though
[05:04] <Jeromee> Yagisan: do you have the website hosted, I could check now if you'd like
[05:05] <Yagisan> Jeromee: the layout mockup is here http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/index.html
[05:05] <Yagisan> links are dummys
[05:06] <Jeromee> yeah, it doesn't show up to well in IE
[05:07] <Jeromee> Its cutting off the first letter of each word for the menu bar
[05:07] <Jeromee> like home is seen as "ome"
[05:07] <Yagisan> Jeromee: could you dcc me a screenshot
[05:07] <Jeromee> I can't dcc
[05:07] <Jeromee> but I can surely host the image for you
[05:07] <Jeromee> one second
[05:08] <Yagisan> Jeromee: looks like I'll need conditional css for that :(
[05:10] <Jeromee> sorry for the overall size of this image, I have a dual monitors
[05:11] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that won't be a problem - thanks for the screenshot
[05:12] <Jeromee> pm for link
[05:15] <Jeromee> if you need anything else
[05:15] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that looks almost nothing like it does under firefox or konqueror
[05:15] <Jeromee> just let me know
[05:15] <Jeromee> I'll check it under my firefox too
[05:15] <Jeromee> hmm
[05:15] <Jeromee> looks fine in firefox
[05:15] <Jeromee> :-P
[05:15] <Jeromee> IE just sucks at life.
[05:15] <Yagisan> Jeromee: did the flyovers work ?
[05:16] <Jeromee> what are "flyovers"?
[05:16] <Jeromee> I'm not much into webdesign
[05:16] <Jeromee> like, where you hover over home
[05:16] <Yagisan> Jeromee: If you mouse over the menus they should pop out
[05:16] <Jeromee> and the "site map" box pops up?
[05:16] <Jeromee> yeah
[05:17] <Yagisan> yep
[05:17] <Jeromee> works
[05:17] <Jeromee> :-)
[05:17] <Yagisan> I'm not a web designer either
[05:17] <Jeromee> yeah
[05:17] <Jeromee> I hate web design
[05:17] <Jeromee> I'm pretty good with managing servers though
[05:18] <Jeromee> atleast, on freebsd
[05:18] <Jeromee> :-)
[05:18] <Jeromee> I have yet to try edubuntu, but, I've yet to get a computer completely rebuilt the way I like it to bother to install linux
[05:18] <Yagisan> I'd rather be hacking away at networks, but I've got to eat and feed a family, so create a website i must
[05:19] <Jeromee> hehe, yeah
[05:19] <Jeromee> I don't have to worry about the family thing
[05:19] <Jeromee> just gotta worry about feeding bruce, my pet fish
[05:19] <Yagisan> edubuntu is nice for education, but it's not quite right for me
[05:19] <Yagisan> I just contribute my patches back though
[05:20] <Jeromee> yeah, I tend to find freebsd more to my needs
[05:20] <Jeromee> but, I'm definatly going to give it a shot
[05:20] <Yagisan> Jeromee: your windows box - I doesn't have CJK fonts does it
[05:20] <Jeromee> no, don't believe so
[05:21] <Yagisan> Jeromee: that explains the boxes then
[05:21] <Jeromee> basically just a default install with updates, and some security
[05:31] <highvoltage> ok, bye everyone!
[06:39] <Yagisan> night all
[06:57] <gooseuk> Afternoon folks
[07:46] <gooseuk> anyone with the living?
[07:51] <spacey_ki> :)
[07:51] <spacey_ki> not sure
[07:51] <spacey_ki> partly
[07:51] <spacey_ki> whats up
[07:56] <gooseuk> Well I was wondering if one the developers can fix the floppy problem
[08:36] <spacey_ki> THE floppy problem?
[08:36] <spacey_ki> whats that?
[08:39] <Rotan> hi!
[08:44] <Rotan> ... is edubuntu appropriate for, say, a college campus to put in libraries and such?
[08:51] <spacey_ki> ..
[09:08] <alison> Is there anyone here who can help me troubleshoot my server setup?
[09:10] <spacey_ki> alison, if you state your problem
[09:11] <alison> I boot my client up, it gets to a login screen. I try to login. Screen goes black, then boots me back to the same login screen.
[09:13] <alison> mhz was helping me the other night, and he had the same problem. he passed on a potential fix from ogra, which involved updating the ssh keys on the server. I did that, but still have the same problem.
[09:16] <Rotan> is edubuntu appropriate for a collegiate environment?
[09:20] <alison> Rotan: The bundled software provided with edubuntu seems more aimed at grade schoolers, and maybe some for highschool. But you could definitely make use of its LTSP capabilities in a collegiate environment.
[09:30] <alison> Could anyone here with a working server/thin-client setup tell me the output you get running sudo netstat -anp | grep ":177 " ?
[09:56] <alison> hi ogra, aren't you one of the edubuntu wizards?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ogra> hi
[09:57] <alison> can you help me: my client boots up, I get a login screen, and then can't log in. screen goes black and then goes back to the login screen.
[09:57] <alison> mhz suggested I update the ssh keys, and I ran a command to do that... but still a no-go
[09:58] <ogra> have you looked if /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts contains a key after running the command ? and is sshd running ?
[09:59] <alison> i'll check
[10:00] <alison> there is a bunch of gobbledigook in ssh_known_hosts
[10:00] <ogra> the login manager needs a running sshd on the server to connect to... :)
[10:00] <alison> yes sshd is running
[10:01] <ogra> and the file contains a key ?
[10:02] <alison> if a bunch of mixed-up letters and numbers is a key, yes
[10:02] <ogra> yes, thats a key
[10:02] <ogra> otherwise it would be empty...
[10:02] <alison> ok
[10:03] <ogra> does the user you connect with exist on the server ?
[10:03] <alison> yes
[10:03] <alison> hold on... maybe not?
[10:04] <dabaR_> Hey, why am I not able at all to edit the wiki, it says page locked ion the top left. I am signed in to wiki.ubuntu.com however, and able to edit.
[10:04] <ogra> thats very strange... seems all requirements are fulfilled...
[10:05] <dabaR_> Are you able to? maybe it is just locked.
[10:05] <alison> I'm going to try it again. the user I thought I created wasn't on the server when I checked it just now.
[10:05] <ogra> alison, try to set a root password in the chroot environment (sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd) and check the file /var/log/ldm.log on the client... it will tell whats going wrong
[10:06] <ogra> err
[10:06] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[10:06] <ogra> alison, oh, thats the problem then :)
[10:07] <ogra> dabaR, does it say by whom it is locked ?
[10:07] <ogra> probably someone edits it currently
[10:07] <ogra> i can edit on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:08] <dabaR> Not at all.
[10:08] <dabaR> I mean, not at all does it say by whom.
[10:08] <dabaR> Well, Ill check when I get home onto my Ubuntu. Thanks.
[10:08] <dabaR> Im glad edubuntu was released.
[10:08] <ogra> :)
[10:22] <alison> now when I try to login, it sits there with just a little clock for the mouse pointer
[10:22] <gand> hi, no 5.10 PPC final, neither PPC pre yet available :(
[10:23] <ogra> gand, nope, sorry
[10:23] <gand> eta?
[10:23] <ogra> the powerpc install was not tested enough, we discovered a bug in the default install
[10:24] <ogra> if you want only a workstation install, the last daily isos are still there, they are just not officially released...
[10:24] <gand> I've pre installed with all update
[10:24] <ogra> then it should be fine...
[10:25] <gand> yes althougth sometimes little strange thinghs happens :)
[10:26] <ogra> the isos on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ are identical with the release... but note that you currently cant use ltsp on ppc, it has a bad bug
[10:26] <ogra> which kind of things ?
[10:26] <gand> nothing important
[10:26] <alison> ogra: how exactly do I check the log on the client? I set the chroot passwd.
[10:26] <gand> probably related to gnome
[10:27] <ogra> alison, you press ctrl-alt-f1 and login as root with the password you set up before
[10:27] <gand> as bin icon placed on the left of desktop
[10:28] <ogra> enev with new users ?
[10:28] <ogra> *even
[10:28] <gand> i didn't try
[10:28] <ogra> alison, then less /var/log/ldm.log and press shift-g to jump to the end of the file...
[10:30] <gand> meanwhile I've discovered "sudo nautilus" to manage root files using GUI, without terminal
[10:30] <ogra> eeek
[10:30] <ogra> dont use file managers as root
[10:30] <alison> it's not letting me log in as root. I did "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd" and entered a password. is that right? this stuff is testing the limits of my command line knowledge.  :|
[10:31] <ogra> alison, you did run that command on the server, right ? probably you need to reboot the client...
[10:32] <alison> yes, I run it on the server.
[10:32] <alison> oh, so I'm logging in as root from the client?
[10:32] <gand> I did it to manage folder in /var/www/ to install some CMS - LMS
[10:32] <ogra> *on* the client, yes
[10:33] <ogra> gand, what if your mouse misbehaves and a essential directory gets moved into any other directory and you didnt notice wher it was dropped ?
[10:34] <ogra> or the filemanager has a bug that doesnt show up if you run it as user and it wipes your disk ?
[10:34] <alison> ok, now it's working. and I see that the client's connect to ssh is timing out, because it's trying to connect to the wrong IP address.
[10:34] <ogra> note that filemanagers dont get tested as root normally by the developers
[10:34] <ogra> oh
[10:35] <ogra> thats strange...
[10:36] <ogra> alison, is your server the only server on this network ?
[10:36] <ogra> or do you have any nfs server around ?
[10:37] <alison> well, there are other computers on the network, but the clients shouldn't be able to access any of them at this point. they're going client -> switch -> server, and the server's got two network cards. the one that's connected to my general LAN is currently disabled.
[10:37] <ogra> hmm, its a bit weaird...
[10:37] <alison> no nfs server
[10:37] <ogra> weird
[10:38] <ogra> the clients boot fine ?
[10:38] <alison> they boot to the login screen fine... they do throw some errors along the way, though
[10:38] <ogra> thats normal...
[10:39] <ogra> i havent cleaned up the bootscripts yet, we use all ubuntu default packages, most are not designed for read only filesystems... beautification is for the next release :)
[10:39] <alison> it looks like the ssh is trying to go to a default IP address rather than the static IP I set up for my server in eth0 and in my dhcpd.conf
[10:40] <alison> it's trying <IP_ADDRESS>, but my server's set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:40] <ogra> could you run ifconfig ?
[10:41] <ogra> and tell me which IP the client has ?
[10:42] <alison> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:42] <ogra> hmm, should be right
[10:42] <ogra> can you enter the following :
[10:42] <ogra> (sed -ne '/ltsp.*nfs/ { s/^\([^:] *\):.*$/\1/; p; q }' /proc/mounts
[10:43] <alison> still on the client?
[10:43] <ogra> yup
[10:43] <ogra> thats the command thats used in the code to get your server ip
[10:43] <alison> that'll be interesting without cut and paste :)
[10:46] <ogra> an easy workaround is to ser the SERVER variable in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ... but i'd like to know why the autodetection misbehaves
[10:46] <ogra> s/ser/set
[10:47] <alison> hm, I typed that in, and it gave me a > prompt?
[10:47] <ogra> ergh
[10:47] <ogra> hit ctrl-c
[10:47] <ogra> and omit the first bracket
[10:48] <alison> the ( before sed?
[10:48] <ogra> yes
[10:48] <alison> okay, <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:48] <ogra> t should give you an ip address
[10:48] <ogra> hmm, looks right
[10:48] <alison> indeed
[10:50] <ogra> did you set the SERVER variable anywhere  ? did you edit or create /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
[10:51] <alison> I was about to try doing that before you showed up here, but I didn't yet
[10:51] <ogra> hmm
[10:52] <ogra> can you try a login on the client and paste the last ...say 30 lines of ldm.log anywhere ?
[10:53] <alison> there's not that much in the log, actually
[10:53] <ogra> you should be able to scp the file to the server..
[10:54] <alison> it's only nine lines. I could type it in here
[10:54] <ogra> hmm...
[10:55] <alison> OpenSSH4.1p1 Debian-7ubuntu4, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005
[10:55] <alison> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[10:55] <alison> debug1: Applying options for *
[10:56] <alison> debug1: Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> [<IP_ADDRESS>]  port 22.
[10:56] <alison> debug1: connect to address <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection timed out
[10:56] <alison> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection timed out
[10:56] <alison> (END)
[10:56] <mwright1night> Quick question
[10:57] <mwright1night> is edubuntu from the same source repository as ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:57] <ogra> alison, that doesnt look like login attempt at all...
[10:57] <mwright1night> just a different default package sleectin?
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, yes
[10:57] <mwright1night> also does anyone know if the "Teacher Tool" replacement
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, there are edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server metapackages
[10:57] <mwright1night> which was on the core todo list for edubuntu is in the edubuntu
[10:57] <ogra> mwright1night, its not ready yet
[10:57] <mwright1night> do you know when?
[10:58] <ogra> i'll work on it the next weeks and trigger a backport of the package for breezy
[10:58] <mwright1night> fantastic
[10:58] <mwright1night> I am rolling out some terminal servers for some schools running LTSP
[10:58] <mwright1night> and I currently use Teachertool, but it's not that clean
[10:59] <ogra> but it'll only have basic functionallity, not more than the original TeacherTool yet
[10:59] <mwright1night> that's ok
[10:59] <mwright1night> it will be awesome all the same
[10:59] <mwright1night> will you use x11vnc or something else?
[10:59] <ogra> but i plan a plugin mechanism, so you can let your stsdents write extensions for it in the python class ;)
[11:00] <mwright1night> I also use it for remote helpdesk
[11:00] <mwright1night> so keep that in mind
[11:00] <ogra> gnome has already vnc built in...
[11:00] <spacey_ki> teachertool is the fancy toolie to see running sessions and stuff or am i confused with something else?
[11:00] <mwright1night> that it's use is beyond the class room
[11:00] <mwright1night> It has two functions
[11:00] <mwright1night> it will broadcast your desktop to the class
[11:00] <mwright1night> and it will spy on a session
[11:00] <ogra> since i have all settings centralized available in gconf oon the server, the vnc part is fairly easy
[11:01] <mwright1night> I login to my terminal servers remotely using FreeNX then I use TeacherTool in interactive spy mode to do helpdesk
[11:01] <mwright1night> I even do it from my 3G Mobile phone internet card which has a lot of latency and it works ok
[11:02] <ogra> alison, try another login and look if a line starting with: "ssh command line:" shows up
[11:02] <ogra> alison, on the login manager .... (ctrl-alt-f7)
[11:03] <ogra> mwright1night, i hope we'll have freeNX in ubuntu before dapper to have it in the next release
[11:03] <alison> ok, I was trying that just now. I think my previous login attempts might not have been logged, because I just restarted the client after it hung with the clock icon
[11:03] <ogra> they guy working on it for us had some other priorities so it didnt make breezy
[11:04] <ogra> alison, yes, if you rebooted the client the log will be empty
[11:06] <alison> ogra, yes, there's an ssh command line line.
[11:06] <ogra> can you post it here ?
[11:07] <mwright1night> ok ogra.. I appreciate your fine work,
[11:07] <mwright1night> I have to goto work now
[11:07] <alison> Issh command line: ['ssh', '-v', '-X', '-c'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'env', 'LTSP_CLIENT="ltsp"', '/etc/X11/Xsession', ';','kill -1 $PPID']
[11:07] <mwright1night> thanks for the update,  I will proceed to install edubuntu, cause we're going live for next year
[11:07] <alison> *ssh, not lssh
[11:08] <mwright1night> and it sounds like a safe bet that Teachers Pet will be ready
[11:08] <ogra> gah, where does it get the SERVER variable from ?
[11:08] <mwright1night> I'm going to use original ltsp 4.2 as Muekow/ubuntu isn't quite mature enough yet
[11:08] <ogra> mwright1night, until next year ? haha, indeed
[11:10] <ogra> mwright1night, oh, note that teachers pet will be written for ubuntu ltsp.... it wont support tcp X connections, only ssh like ubuntu's ltsp
[11:12] <ogra> alison, are you sure you havent set the server in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
[11:12] <alison> I did a filesystem-wide search for lts.conf. the only place it shows up is in the docs as an example file
[11:12] <ogra> hmm, really strange
[11:13] <ogra> i have no idea where the <IP_ADDRESS> comes from
[11:13] <alison> that's the default ltsp server ip address, right?
[11:14] <ogra> it shouldnt be....
[11:14] <ogra> the default should be your ltsp server <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:14] <alison> ok...
[11:14] <mwright1night> oh that's bad
[11:15] <mwright1night> looks like I"m not using Teachers pet
[11:15] <mwright1night> dam
[11:15] <ogra> mwright1night, look like youre using teacherTool then
[11:15] <ogra> *looks
[11:15] <mwright1night> yep
[11:16] <mwright1night> main thing is ltsp 4.2 (not yet released) will dynamically do local devices very nicely and local apps very nicely
[11:16] <mwright1night> And that is something of high value to my setups
[11:16] <ogra> edubuntu wil do that too in our next release
[11:16] <mwright1night> I"m sure when April edition comes out they will be parallel in functionality
[11:17] <mwright1night> Will jim be adopting the ssh tunnelled X setup that is in ubuntu
[11:17] <ogra> i'll integrate hotplug/udev/hal/dbus with the server for the next release
[11:18] <ogra> as weel as i'm working on ssh tunneled gstreamer setups for audio support through theora streaming...
[11:18] <mwright1night> cool this is very exciting
[11:18] <mwright1night> LTSP + OO 2.0 = BillyGs demise
[11:18] <ogra> we're working very tight together
[11:19] <mwright1night> thanks again -- it's a fine contribution, must run to setup the training network @ work
[11:19] <mwright1night> cya
[11:19] <ogra> the ltsp conference is held "inside" the ubuntu conference in motreal in two weeks
[11:20] <ogra> alison, ok... lets try what happens if you set the SERVER variable in lts.conf...
[11:21] <alison> so presumably I can fix this with an lts.conf?
[11:21] <alison> ok
[11:21] <ogra> alison, hit alt-f2 on the server
[11:21] <alison> ok
[11:21] <ogra> paste or type : gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf"
[11:22] <ogra> add/paste: [Default]  SERVER         = "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:22] <ogra> save he file and reboot the client...
[11:22] <ogra> *the
[11:23] <alison> wait... what the heck... there's stuff there
[11:23] <alison> our infamous <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:24] <alison> sorry, I must be going crazy.
[11:24] <alison> I thought I checked for a file there
[11:24] <alison> so I only need the one SERVER line?
[11:24] <alison> or maybe I should just try deleting this?
[11:25] <alison> the file, I mean
[11:26] <ogra> yes, delete it... except you have a non us keymap, then add at least the contens as described on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPClientKeymap
[11:26] <ogra> but wipe everything else from that file
[11:26] <alison> ok, keymap is us. file deleted.
[11:26] <ogra> if you use a us keyboard, just delete it
[11:26] <ogra> :)
[11:27] <alison> do I need to restart anything?
[11:28] <ogra> yes, the client... it reads lts.conf on boot
[11:28] <alison> ok
[11:30] <ogra> if you want to lock the root password for the clients again (makes sense for security) run "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l"
[11:32] <alison> SUCCESS!!
[11:32] <ogra> YAY !!
[11:32] <ogra> :)
[11:33] <ajmitch_> what's going on? :)
[11:33] <ogra> we celebrate a fixed ltsp setup
[11:33] <alison> I got my first successful client login
[11:35] <alison> ok... is there anything special I have to do to get internet access going through the second network card on the server?
[11:35] <ogra> alison, there is a howto... noted at the bottom of the Install notes (see /topic)
[11:35] <alison> ok
[11:35] <ogra> argh...
[11:36] <ogra> no its not noted there
[11:36] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[11:36] <ogra> ^^^ at the bottom there
[11:37] <alison> great. thanks.
[11:37] <alison> and thank you so much for your help, ogra. there are going to be some really happy kids in a school in Harlem, NY this week.
[11:38] <ogra> cool
[11:38] <ogra> thats what i work for, thanks :)
[11:39] <alison> Isaac Pflaum, the president of the non-profit I'm working for (heragroup.org), wishes to thank you, too. we've been trying to get this project running since August.
[11:39] <ogra> if you ave any probs, just come back and ask :) i built edubuntu, i know all internals :)
[11:40] <ogra> *have
[11:40] <alison> :) thanks
[11:40] <runaway> any news on 5.10 ppc?
[11:41] <ogra> runaway, there wont be one officially, it didnt recieve enough testing
[11:41] <runaway> ever?
[11:41] <ogra> 5.10
[11:41] <runaway> thanx
[11:41] <ogra> but there is a unofficial version
[11:41] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[11:42] <ogra> holds the released isos... the ppc default install has a bad bug in ltsp... if you dont want to use ltsp, that image should be fine
[11:43] <runaway> i just want to see the disto. servers would be amd anyway
[11:43] <ogra> ok
[11:43] <ogra> do you have a running breezy on your ppc ?
[11:43] <ogra> the just install dubuntu-desktop :)
[11:43] <ogra> *then
[11:44] <runaway> downloaded but not installed
[11:44] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop indeed
[11:45] <runaway> that sounds easier
[11:45] <ogra> just install breezy and edubuntu-desktop on top... then you got the same as the workstation install provides
[11:45] <runaway> gotcha
[11:45] <ogra> edubuntu-server wont work on ppc, it depends on a working ltsp...
[11:48] <Jeromee> rawr.
[11:48] <Jeromee> ogra, sup
[11:48] <ogra> dinner now :)
[11:48] <Jeromee> boooo
[11:49] <ogra> :)
[11:58] <petterah> hi, i have a question, is edubuntu something like skolelinux? is it ltsp and lessdisks enabled ubuntu out of the box?
[11:59] <ogra> not lessdisks, no... but for the rest, yes
[12:02] <ogra> also we didnt target more than one classroom with this first release... managing a school and centralized user management is target of our next release
[12:03] <petterah> ok thanks ogra


[06:38] <doob> hi, I have a question regarding the state of perf in the xenial ubuntu kernel source
[06:39] <doob> While looking for the append option of the `perf record` command I noticed that this is missing in the current ubuntu kernel source of perf (I'm running 4.4.0-78-generic #99~14.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 27 18:49:46 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
[06:41] <doob> This is surprising to me since the official sources seam to have this since version 2.6.31 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/abaff32a03e26e5d6674cb2a26ad882efe7493a3
[06:45] <doob> Is there anyone at the ubuntu kernel team especially responsible/taking care of maintaining `perf` to ask about why this is and whats the general state of perf in ubuntu?
[06:56] <apw> doob, hmmm, well noone speific looks after it.  if it has an issue that needs investigating do file a bug against the kernel
[06:56] <apw> doob, as that is produced as part of the kernel build
[06:57] <doob> I was just wondering if it has just been forgotten somehow or if there is reason to patch away or not include this compared to the main kernel tree
[06:58] <doob> ok
[06:58] <apw> doob, we do not carry any patches for perf
[06:59] <doob> but do you compare/sync with the upstream kernel tree at some point regulary or does it mean you never ever get upstream code for perf as long as nobody files a bug report?
[07:00] <doob> I'm not sure if I got you right with "we do not carry any patches for perf"
[07:02] <apw> doob, perf is kernel version specific and carried without modification as far as i recall
[07:03] <doob> Ok. This is what I was always thinking how it is. This is why I'm supprised to not find the code in the ubuntu tree that is in the upstream tree since 2.6.31.
[07:05] <apw> doob, the source for 4.4 has the append option
[07:08] <doob> Am I looking at the wrong place? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/tree/tools/perf/builtin-record.c
[07:14] <apw> doob, oh no i am wrong, that is an append option in another command
[07:14] <apw> doob, the -A was removed a long time ago
[07:14] <apw> commit 563aecb2e63a16f86c7daabfdcfee23f3e7c5955
[07:14] <apw> Author: Jiri Olsa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:14] <apw> Date:   Wed Jun 5 13:35:06 2013 +0200
[07:14] <apw>     perf record: Remove -A/--append option
[07:14] <apw>     It's no longer working and needed.
[07:14] <apw>     Quite straightforward discussion/vote was in here:
[07:14] <apw>     http://marc.info/?t=137028288300004&r=1&w=2
[07:14] <apw> (the commit's words)
[07:16] <doob> Ok. Thx. In the meantime I also noted I did a mistake. I think I grabbed some very old commit message from GH and was misleaded by the branch information saying that it is in all the current branches. But of course the commit will stay there for ever even if the code has been removed. Sorry for the confusion.
[07:18] <apw> np
[22:05] <dmj_s76> sforshee: I was able to test the package for bug1686815 for the bluetooth issue.  It fixes the bug.
[23:23] <jjohansen> sforshee: sorry for the dely on this, I finally tracked down the memory corruption, this passes the regression tests, except for long_path which is deliberately broken atm, and will have to be fixed in some follow on patches
[23:23] <jjohansen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24583768/
[23:24] <jjohansen> sforshee: I have included the fixes that are on 4.12, so it should be a clean rebase to the 4.12 kernel