[14:31] <sarnold> good morning
[14:33] <jamespage> o/
[14:33] <didrocks> hey
[14:55] <cpaelzer> I'm late due to a local issue :-/
[14:55] <cpaelzer> sorry it seems no one was drivign the meeting when I'm not here :-/
[14:55] <cpaelzer> let's go quickly at least through new to ensure we have everything assigned
[14:55] <cpaelzer> didrocks: sarnold: jamespage: doko: ddstreet: ^^
[14:55] <sarnold> hey cpaelzer :)
[14:56] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:56] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 13 14:56:02 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:56] <didrocks> hey cpaelzer
[14:56] <cpaelzer> we are late this week, so let us go quickly to where we might have need for assignments
[14:56] <cpaelzer> no old actions
[14:56] <cpaelzer> skipping component mismatch
[14:56] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:56] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:57] <cpaelzer> Two MIRs ready that need a  reviewer
[14:57] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-osconfig-agent/+bug/1891934#
[14:57] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-osconfig-agent/+bug/1891934
[14:57] <cpaelzer> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pi-bluetooth/+bug/1897920
[14:57] <cpaelzer> I'd look at pi-bluetooth if that is ok
[14:57] <cpaelzer> anyone up for google-osconfig-agent
[14:58] <didrocks> I’ll have a look
[14:58] <cpaelzer> but ensure that it really is needed now that the other google-*-agent things got vendored
[14:58] <didrocks> will do
[14:58] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:58] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:59] <cpaelzer> nothinh recent except the lintian related bugs
[14:59] <cpaelzer> those are on doko as we discussed in the past
[14:59] <cpaelzer> doko btw - I'm still waiting for the mdevctl review as well
[14:59] <cpaelzer> any chance to egt to that?
[15:00] <cpaelzer> ok a quick look at mismatches then
[15:00] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:00] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:00] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:00] <didrocks> looks like a nvidia promotion to restricted is needed, I can handle it
[15:00] <cpaelzer> great didrocks
[15:01] <cpaelzer> other than that mismatches have nothing surprising
[15:01] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:01] <didrocks> nothing for me
[15:01] <cpaelzer> me neither
[15:01] <sarnold> yay :)
[15:01] <cpaelzer> ok thanks everyone
[15:01] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 15:01:54 2020 UTC.
[15:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-13-14.56.moin.txt
[15:02] <cpaelzer> and sorry again for being crunched by schedule ...
[15:02] <cpaelzer> but it made a fast and super efficient meeting
[15:02] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, didrocks :)
[15:02] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:02] <cpaelzer> doko: let me know later if you read the pings above on mdevctl


[15:50] <goodspud> ...---....  ...----...   ...---...  ...@        <--tumbleweed
[15:51] <Makyo> frankban, lp:~makyo/juju-gui/go-annotations-1152627
[15:54]  * benji hears a hawk cry in the distance.
[16:00] <rick_h_> goodspud: ping, got a design question to toss at you
[16:06] <frankban> Makyo: lp:~frankban/juju-core/bug-1152652-set-annotations
[16:32] <frankban> Makyo: https://codereview.appspot.com/7644043
[17:29] <goodspud> rick_h_, apologies. Just been in a meeting. I've got your email.
[17:30] <goodspud> rick_h_ do you have time for a hangout?
[18:48] <jcsackett> hatch: could you take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/7641043 ?
[18:50] <hatch> jcsackett, on it
[18:50] <jcsackett> thanks
[18:51] <rick_h_> jcsackett: hatch for your pleasure if you get time https://codereview.appspot.com/7644044/
[18:54] <hatch> you got it
[19:07] <benji> gary_poster: test/test_endpoints.js
[19:32] <jcsackett> hatch: what should i use in place of isValue? just (blah !== undefined)?
[20:18] <Makyo> frankban, https://codereview.appspot.com/7641046
[20:19] <benji> sinzui: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1139319/
[20:24] <frankban> rogpeppe1: https://codereview.appspot.com/7526043/
[22:05] <frankban> hi rogpeppe2, could you please take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/7598043 ?
[22:05] <rogpeppe2> frankban: will do
[22:07] <frankban> thanks rogpeppe2


[18:17] <alkisg_web> Hi, I'd like to run ubuntu-mate 22.04 in my main desktop as soon as possible, to help in ironing out issues (I don't use non-LTS releases so I haven't see the progress since 20.04).
[18:18] <alkisg_web> What would I do, change my apt sources? Or are there early daily build isos that I could download?
[18:19] <alkisg_web> Hmm my apt sourcses says "20.04 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Alpha amd64 (20191114)", I guess I had downloaded a alpha iso for 20.04
[18:53] <dbungert> alkisg_web: 22.04 doesn't have isos yet, your best bet is to go with impish for now and change your apt sources shortly
[19:19] <alkisg_web> Thank you dbungert!
[19:20] <dbungert> :)


[01:49] <nndma> So I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 and quite often the mouse and keyboard just freeze for a while. Anyone an idea why?
[01:50] <SunTsu> nndma: usb device, both?
[01:50] <SunTsu> could somebody please stop this channel mode war?
[01:51] <nndma> SunTsu:No, it's a laptop and I'm using the touchpad.
[01:52] <SunTsu> nndma: well, unless their connected internally via usb that rules out my idea
[01:56] <nndma> SunTsu: Ok, thx anyway!
[02:43] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: The problem with the FloodBots we experienced last night is beginning again today. Currently only two - FloodBotK2 and K3, but they are in conflict with each other - again.
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> !ops
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> ^floodbots run amok
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, I'm an op?
[02:45] <Snowhog> Yup.
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> heh, didn't know that
[02:45] <Snowhog> Can you get in contact with dax? He fixed them last night.
[02:46] <Snowhog> Or can you square them away?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[02:49] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> that should do it
[02:51] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: Any idea what is creating the conflicts?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> nope
[02:58] <Snowhog> Thank you JontheEchidna.
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[03:03] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: FloodBotK2 has returned!
[03:03] <Kwashiorkor> lol
[03:04] <pangolin> I restarted it
[03:04] <Kwashiorkor> epic saga
[03:04] <pangolin> hopefully should fix it
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[03:04] <Snowhog> pangolin: These three bots aren't able to get along. Do you know why?
[03:04] <pangolin> JontheEchidna: if it gives more issues contact tsimpson
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> pangolin: will do
[03:04] <pangolin> Snowhog: probably a recent netsplit caused them to get upset
[03:05] <Snowhog> hehe
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> ah, one probably was on the other side of the split, and didn't think that there should be join throttling
[03:05] <pangolin> exactly
[03:08] <pangolin> looks like they calmed down for now :)
[03:15] <twocarlo> well
[03:48] <semitones> hey you guys
[03:48] <semitones> I was looking in the bluetooth settings for a way to disable it by default on startup, but I couldn't find any
[03:48] <semitones> does anyone know how to do that?
[03:53] <Snowhog> semitones: Disable it in Startup Services.
[03:58] <semitones> Snowhog: I searched services, and unchecked the bluetooth one, is that good enough?
[03:58] <semitones> How will I start bluetooth if I need it?
[03:58] <semitones> I'm doing this to save battery life :)
[03:59] <SunTsu> semitones: my laptop simply has a switch to turn it off
[04:00] <semitones> SunTsu: mine does too, but it doesn't work
[04:00] <semitones> I think it depends on HP software in windows, pressing it in ubuntu does nthing
[04:01] <SunTsu> semitones: then, do as Snowhog said, disable the startup service and enable it as soon as you need it. Or diable it in your wm's bluetooth manager if that allows for it
[04:02] <semitones> cool, it is done :D
[04:02] <semitones> thanks a lot
[04:02] <semitones> and merry christmas / happy holidays!
[04:06] <drostie> Hm. Firefox on Oneiric seems to have its title bar a shade too dark (based on GTK maybe?) and it's a bit ugly. Does anyone know if I could change how Kubuntu colors non-Qt applications?
[04:10] <Snowhog> drostie: Concider using Oxygen KDE (Firefox Theme) on KDE-look.org. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29?content=117962
[04:13] <lsv> does anyone knows what the '-DL', '-DS' and '-DW' flags are for in the gcc compiler?
[04:14] <drostie> Snowhog: that fixed part of the problem but the title bar is still too dark. :x
[04:18] <Resistance> lsv:  did you read the manpages?
[04:18] <drostie> Here's a screencap of the bad coloring problem I'm dealing with: http://drostie.org/firefox_bad_title.jpg
[04:19] <drostie> Without being much closer to white the white drop-shadow becomes much more visible and out-of-place. D:
[04:20] <drostie> Also it's apparently not a GTK thing; GIMP has no problem with it. But I have no idea what Firefox runs on, so... :x
[04:21] <lsv> Resistance: I went through the online one and could not find anything...
[04:22] <Resistance> lsv: online one where :P
[04:23] <lsv> Resistance: I just google "gcc manual"
[04:23] <lsv> Resistance: I think it has to do with macros..
[04:31] <drostie> Aha. Some weird workarounds later, basically this theme was meant to be used without a title bar. ^_^;;
[04:32] <drostie> The feel is a little weird but oh well.
[04:34] <drostie> Yeah this workaround breaks more than it's worth. :x
[04:41] <drostie> bwahahaha, gotcha. :D System Settings > Workspace Appearance > Fine Tuning > Background style :: set to "Radial Gradient". :D :D :D
[04:55] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[05:58] <milo_> Hey everybody.
[05:58] <milo_> Merry Christmas
[05:59] <adrian_berg> How do I install this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=139684
[06:00] <undefined0> how do i make plasma desktop as my default ui?
[06:01] <adrian_berg> It is the default
[06:01] <undefined0> in my netbook, netbook ui is the default
[06:02] <adrian_berg> oh
[06:02] <adrian_berg> Have you tried switching workspaces?
[06:03] <undefined0> i can't find the workspace switcher >.<
[06:04] <adrian_berg> look for activities in your widget menu
[06:04] <adrian_berg> "activities" without the quotes
[06:04] <adrian_berg> How do I install this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=139684
[06:06] <milo_> Lot of people are asking questions about plasma desktop.
[06:07] <undefined0> yeah i don't like the netbook interface on my netbook >.<
[06:07] <undefined0> i want the desktop interface so badly :(
[06:08] <adrian_berg> try windows button + tab
[06:10] <undefined0> adrian_berg, this is what i want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UbuntuNattyKDE.png :)
[06:12] <adrian_berg> I understand
[06:12] <Kimlaroux> kde has a netbook interface?
[06:12] <adrian_berg> One second, I'm actually in the process of heavily modifying my theme.. so it's a bit difficult
[06:12] <adrian_berg> Kimlaroux: Heh
[06:12] <undefined0> yes
[06:13] <adrian_berg> ...and a tablet interface
[06:13] <milo_> Hey Kimlaroux. Nice to see a familiar face=name
[06:13] <milo_> or would it be name=face
[06:13] <milo_> I don't know programming. You get what I'm saying.
[06:15] <milo_> Anybody got any bit torrent client recommendations? I'm using ktorrent but...
[06:16] <Kimlaroux> I use ktorrent too
[06:16] <Kimlaroux> what's wrong with it? What bugs be is you can't go select other files into a folder once the download started
[06:20] <milo_> It's just when I open the torrent thing, and the files pop up with the selection of files before it starts downloading I can't tell what is what. When I had bitTorrent on windows I could see what was a video file with the name, what was a text file with the name of the file, etc. Is that even an option on Ktorrent?
[06:21] <Kimlaroux> isn't the extention enough?
[06:22] <milo_> The extention?
[06:22] <milo_> Damn. I put on newspaper template and my desktop icons dissappeared.
[06:23] <Kimlaroux> what follows the last dot in the file name
[06:23] <milo_> Linux is tricky.
[06:23] <milo_> Hmmm...
[06:23] <milo_> I will have to check that out.
[06:23] <Kimlaroux> like .bin .mp3 .iso
[06:24] <undefined0> wew i got it working :))
[06:50] <milo_> They all say MiB. What's that stand for?
[06:51] <milo_> "The men...in...black!" chorus "The men in black!"
[06:52] <milo_> Yeah, I don't see an extension. The thing that opens it up says "Opening Drive.2011.scr.Xvid-playXD" and it the size of the files
[06:52] <milo_> Which what MiB must stand for. But I don't see any file extensions, etc.
[07:07] <gribouille> hi
[07:07] <gribouille> I use the veromix plasmoid. when a flash video is run, veromix doesn't display the flash icon, but a blank one. what does it mean?
[07:24] <adrian_berg> Will someone copy/paste the contents of /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/
[07:28] <Kimlaroux> adrian_berg, http://paste.kde.org/177782/
[07:30] <Kimlaroux> adrian_berg, did you get my paste?
[07:31] <adrian_berg> Kimlaroux: Nope
[07:31] <Kimlaroux> http://paste.kde.org/177782/
[07:31] <milo_> How do people not get frustrated with linux?
[07:32] <adrian_berg> Thanks Kimlaroux
[07:37] <adrian_berg> Oh poo
[07:38] <milo_> Dang.
[07:38] <adrian_berg> He/she pasted the contents of the directory
[07:38] <milo_> That guy is helpful.
[07:38] <milo_> And they just left.
[07:38] <adrian_berg> Wanted /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/aurorae.desktop
[07:38] <adrian_berg> Indeed
[07:38] <gribouille> I use the veromix plasmoid. when a flash video is run, veromix doesn't display the flash icon, but a blank one. what does it mean?
[07:38] <adrian_berg> No idea :(
[07:41] <adrian_berg> Will someone please paste the contents of /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/aurorae.desktop
[08:39] <darbe> exit
[08:45] <adrian_berg> I still have the same issue as before
[08:47] <adrian_berg> grxmrx, zorael_: Would one of you paste the contents of /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/aurorae.desktop?
[08:47] <adrian_berg> I deleted that manually and now I can't install new window border themes.
[08:51] <TAG__> is there an irc channel dedicated to the kubuntu plasma active / mobile effort?
[08:51] <TAG__> I tried installing the stuff from the ppa, but it keeps on erroring with existing files
[08:56] <adrian_berg> TAG__: You might try #plasma
[09:03] <adrian_berg> reeper: Would one of you paste the contents of /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/aurorae.desktop?
[09:17] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone usning presise dailybuild?
[09:17] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone using presise dailybuild?
[09:23] <zorael_> adrian_berg: http://paste.kde.org/177806/ if still of interest
[09:23] <zorael_> and/or apt-get install --reinstall kde-window-manager-common
[09:30] <adrian_berg> zorael_: Someone pasted
[09:30] <adrian_berg> Thanks
[09:30] <adrian_berg> phoenix_firebrd in #kde
[09:33] <merlin1991> hey for some reason the kde menu does not honor my .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications
[09:33] <merlin1991> any reason why it doesn't or wher the .desktop files should be instead to get picked up?
[09:38] <merlin1991> nvm it eventually picked them up
[10:50] <gribouille> I use the veromix plasmoid. when a flash video is run, veromix doesn't display the flash icon, but a blank one. what does it mean?
[11:01] <tsimpson> gribouille: as far as I know, adobe flash can only uses ALSA or OSS, not pulse
[11:02] <gribouille> tsimpson, it is a problem with icons
[11:03] <tsimpson> I doubt flash has an icon
[11:14] <gribouille> tsimpson, of course it does
[11:15] <tsimpson> it's not an application, it's a plugin
[11:15] <gribouille> tsimpson, and?
[11:16] <tsimpson> so there probably isn't an icon set for the plugin
[11:19] <achehlov> добпый день, может кто помочь? возникла следующая проблема при загрузке kubuntu появляется сообщение "waiting for network configuration" загружается система теперь внесколько раз медленне. что делать?
[11:20] <tsimpson> !ru | achehlov
[11:21] <achehlov>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:29] <gribouille> tsimpson, of course threre is
[11:30] <tsimpson> what do you mean? maybe Adobe have an official icon for it, but that has nothing to do with one being installed and associated with the particular library used to interpret and display flash in a browser
[11:35] <Aprendiz> hi all
[11:35] <Aprendiz> SunTsu: are u there?
[12:37] <SunTsu> Aprendiz: barely
[12:41] <Aprendiz> SunTsu: on friday we were talking about a problem with my ipod and amarok in kubuntu. You told me about permission on that dev but in my office I have the ipod working and the same permission in the dev. I have discovered a bug in that because If I connect the ipod amarok doesn't detect it but If I browse inside the ipod throght dolphin the ipod appear in amarok
[12:43] <SunTsu> Aprendiz: maybe there's a bug in dbus handling of the event
[12:52] <soee> yofel, is it possible to test 4.7.95 already ?
[12:52] <soee> (oneiric)
[12:52] <yofel> soee: just finished building in the private archive - you'll get it today
[12:52] <soee> yofel, all works fine ?
[12:53] <yofel> on precise yes, didn't have time to test oneiric yet
[12:53] <soee> also what is this package: ksecrets in Precise
[12:54] <yofel> that is a test packaging of ksecretserviced, but I'm not yet sure if it's in a state that's usable for us
[12:54] <TAG__> Anyone here running plasma active?
[12:55] <SunTsu> !ask | TAG__
[12:55] <soee> yofel, ok thank you
[12:57] <TAG__> Well, my question is, does force installing from the ppa cause any major issues in kubuntu?
[12:57] <akis> hi all. is there any easy way to make my kde looking like gnome under 10.04?
[13:01] <Aprendiz> SunTsu: in amarok tells me that 2.5 fix many thins about ipod
[13:02] <yon_> what are the required packs to run gmapcatcher in kubuntu 11.10
[13:07] <yon_> what are the required packs to run gmapcatcher in kubuntu 11.10
[14:18] <ema> I need to downgrade my x-server - could anyone please write me the apt command
[14:19] <TAG> ok, the kubuntu-beta ppa supposedly has plasma-active / mobile in it, but I don't see any packages?
[14:19] <TAG> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3119810.new
[14:44] <TAG> woah the netbook shell needs work :\
[15:32] <bretzel> Hellow, Where canI have hints about php/apache userdir mod, localhost/~[user]/index.php - the module php is not working ( downloads the file instead of running the php script
[15:37] <bretzel> doh!!!!!!!!!!!! nevermind! ( Debian installer disable php in userdir by default!!!! [ /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf ... turning On the userdir line ) ] so fixed :-) But this is really DUMB . Debian != Ubuntu newbies!! or installer script MUST ask to enable or disable it!!!
[16:14] <dietrich> hello, i got issue in upgrading my kubuntu karmic, can somebody help me ?
[16:17] <SunTsu> dietrich: not without you telling what this problem is
[16:17] <SunTsu> !details | dietrich
[16:19] <dietrich> I have a problem with apt, i'm running kubuntu karmic when i try to update i get the following output "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[16:19] <dietrich>   404 Not Found
[16:20] <dietrich> and then i can't upgrade my packages
[16:21] <SunTsu> dietrich: well, Karmic is well beyond support
[16:22] <dietrich> okay, but can I upgrade it to an other version which is supported ?
[16:22] <SunTsu> dietrich: you might want to consider upgrading at least to Lucid LTE
[16:23] <dietrich> yes I want to upgrade to Lucid
[16:24] <SunTsu> wold be best, that's right the release after karmic and has support lasting into the next year, when the next LTE comes out
[16:27] <dietrich> when I try an apt-get dist-upgrade, there is no upgrade done, is it a wrong command ?
[16:27] <SunTsu> dietrich: it's do-release-upgrade you want
[16:30] <dietrich> apt-get do-release-upgrade gives me an error message : operation not valid
[16:30] <dietrich> is it possible to do it via graphical interface ?
[16:31] <SunTsu> dietrich: did I say that it's an apt-get sub-command?
[16:32] <dietrich> oups
[16:32] <dietrich> thank you it seems to work
[16:35] <SunTsu> dietrich: good luck with it
[16:48] <dietrich> i have enough space disk in my file sytem to uprage, but I've got 10GB in my /home partition
[16:48] <dietrich> i hav'nt enough space*
[16:49] <dietrich> can I choose to store all the downloaded files needed to upgrade in my /home ?
[17:04] <aamission> Hi all ! , , I need a little help and info
[17:05] <aamission> Anyone here ?
[17:06] <aamission> hey U
[17:07] <aamission> Crikey
[17:07] <Torch> aamission: just ask your question, don't ask to ask ;-)
[17:08] <aamission> first
[17:08] <aamission> I need the text on IRC bigger
[17:09] <aamission> second , , I need to edit my GRUB list  I knew how to do it  4 years ago but cant remeber
[17:10] <aamission> ..
[17:10] <soee> what irc client are you using ?
[17:11] <aamission> QUASSEL
[17:11] <aamission> I just came back to Linux this weekend, trrrrying to load OS's
[17:16] <aamission> I just asked, got no help, going to read support documents
[17:51] <indianajoost> Problem with microphone. Doesn't work with skype on ubuntu 10.11. Adjusting settings in salsamixer doesn't help. Through sound recorder my voice is recorded fine, though...
[18:09] <stuq> does anyone know how to get the old-style folder view widget back?  Since my upgrade to 4.7.3, there's a new folder view with a lot less functionality...
[18:10] <stuq> it presents a file folder icon in your panel, when you click it gives you a drop-down of whatever you choose as the main dir.
[18:10] <stuq>  you *used to* be able to click sub-dir. and keep drilling down
[18:10] <stuq> new one only goes one level deep
[18:36] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[18:48] <outsider> hi
[18:48] <outsider> hi i need a aplication for hide my ip
[18:49] <outsider> any ideas?
[18:50] <Snowhog> outsider: Google is your friend. Search on "hide your IP while surfing the internet" and you'll get loads of hits.
[18:51] <outsider> im in
[18:51] <outsider> but i cant find ffor linux
[19:08] <emachines> bonsoir
[19:09] <Snowhog> emachines: English please.
[19:14] <emachines> hi
[19:37] <soee> yofel, how is the progress with 11.10 packages ?
[19:45] <yofel> soee: just copied it to beta, will be available in a few minutes
[19:46] <kinta> hello
[19:48] <kinta> have I to edit ksmserverrc to get kwin_gles working? ( in kde 4.8 from beta repos )
[19:49] <DarsVaeda> hi, I installed java6 and the plugin but in firefox it does not show up, any help?
[20:02] <rekcuFniarB> DarsVaeda: I thing You need this package http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/icedtea-plugin
[20:03] <DarsVaeda> I do not want icedtea, but thank you
[20:06] <rekcuFniarB> Why not? I have it in my system and it works.
[20:07] <rekcuFniarB> It uses openjdk-6-jre
[20:07] <nello> sequencer
[20:07] <DarsVaeda> yeah thats fine and I like to slap everyone that wrote that in the forums ;)
[20:07] <DarsVaeda> found out, the correct file is libnpjp2.so
[20:07] <DarsVaeda> if you link that to you mozilla plugins folder it works
[20:09] <soee> yofel, great :)
[20:50] <Russel> Anyone is using konversation?
[20:50] <KjetilK> Russel, yeah, I do
[20:51] <KjetilK> On my Debian Squeeze box, though, so older version
[20:52] <Russel> I need someone to take a look at the general tab settings on the konversation version that comes with the lastest kubuntu
[20:52] <Russel> Konversation 1.3
[20:52] <Russel> I think an option is missing
[20:54]  * KjetilK looks
[20:54]  * kjetil looks too :-)
[20:56] <KjetilK> Russel, I have 1.3.1 both on my Debian Squeeze box and my latest Kubuntu, both running now
[20:56] <Russel> Sweet!
[20:56] <KjetilK> where should I look?
[20:57] <Russel> Configure Konversation -> Behaviou -> General -> Miscellaneous
[20:57] <Russel> Do you see the "Automatically join channel on invite" option?
[20:58] <KjetilK> Russel, no, on neither box
[21:00] <Russel> Ok... I know this option was in prior versions... must be a bug
[21:00] <Russel> Thanks for your help
[21:00] <KjetilK> Russel, glad I could help
[21:00] <KjetilK> then it sounds like it has actually fallen out of Debian
[21:01] <Russel> No idea
[21:01] <tsimpson> #konversation is the best place to ask about that
[21:02] <Russel> That is my next move :)
[21:12] <Snowhog> tsimpson: As a frequent visitor here, and having watch over the last few days, the battle of the FloodBots, I'm curious as to what is actually going on. Has FloodBotK3 gone rouge??
[21:39] <adrian_berg> Please see http://imgur.com/a/EB5JW
[21:39] <adrian_berg> The first image is what I'm presented with during bootup
[21:40] <adrian_berg> Clicking okay then shows me a kdm login screen
[21:40] <adrian_berg> I type in my credentials and it returns me back to the login screen
[21:40] <adrian_berg> I click KDE Plasma Workspace and it logins
[21:41] <adrian_berg> When it's logged in, I'm presented with that error
[21:41] <adrian_berg> Something is trying to unlock what looks like a gnome-keyring
[21:42] <adrian_berg> Before receiving these errors, I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[21:42] <adrian_berg> and made KDM my default login manager
[21:42] <adrian_berg> I then did kdesudo systemsettings and installed the xenon theme (I probably shouldn't have done this as root which might be causing problems)
[21:43] <adrian_berg> I then went to the convenience tab and selected Enable Auto-Login
[21:43] <adrian_berg> Selected my user and selected the "Lock session" option
[21:43] <adrian_berg> Applied changes
[21:43] <adrian_berg> Rebooted
[21:44] <adrian_berg> And here I am
[21:44] <adrian_berg> I'm going to try removing the theme as root and seeing if I get the same error
[21:44] <adrian_berg> Oh, also
[21:44] <adrian_berg> I did sudo chmod 1777 /tmp && sudo chmod 1777 /var/tmp and rebooted to the same problems
[21:45] <adrian_berg> Oh, and I changed my kwallet password to a blank password
[21:45] <adrian_berg> I then deleted it and reboot, same errors
[21:45] <adrian_berg> Going to try removing the theme as root and rebooting
[21:45] <adrian_berg> BRB
[21:52] <adrian_berg> Well that didn't work
[21:53] <adrian_berg> I just found where you can disable the kwallet subsystem
[21:53] <adrian_berg> From within systemsettings
[21:53] <adrian_berg> Just did that
[21:54] <adrian_berg> Also, there is an error when trying to install the Xenon theme as a regular user
[21:54] <adrian_berg> Error-System Settings: Unable to authenticate/execute the action: (code 4)
[21:56] <adrian_berg> ...which is basically saying I have to be root
[21:57] <adrian_berg> Didn't see the option "Enable passwordless logins" Let's see if that does anything
[21:59] <kinta_> what are the benefits of kwin_gles over kwin?
[22:00] <adrian_berg> Nothing
[22:01] <adrian_berg> And #kubuntu is dead during the holidays :(
[22:04] <adrian_berg> Guess I will ask in #ubuntu
[22:05] <macram> adrian_berg: what are you asking?
[22:07] <adrian_berg> macram: http://paste.ubuntu.com/783959/
[22:08] <Snowhog> adrian_berg: That isn't helpful - it's just part of the monolog you had going here. What is your specific issue?
[22:09] <adrian_berg> During boot I'm presented with those errors, I don't want them
[22:09] <adrian_berg> The two images linked
[22:09] <adrian_berg> The first comes before kdm
[22:09] <macram> adrian_berg: from here without more data it can be the X server running out of memory
[22:09] <adrian_berg> How can we verify this?
[22:09] <adrian_berg> It has 4gb to work with
[22:10] <macram> adrian_berg: giant memory leak?
[22:10] <adrian_berg> Wait, I guess that's not memory for the graphics card
[22:11] <macram> i only can see one screenshot, btw
[22:11] <adrian_berg> http://imgur.com/a/EB5JW
[22:12] <adrian_berg> All I want is passwordless login
[22:12] <adrian_berg> Maybe I should try making lightdm the login manager :\
[22:12] <macram> adrian_berg: wait a mom
[22:12] <macram> how much free disk space do you have?
[22:13] <adrian_berg> /dev/sda9             259G   72G  174G  30% /
[22:13] <macram> adrian_berg: only one volume?
[22:13] <adrian_berg> $df -h
[22:13] <adrian_berg> udev                  1.9G  4.0K  1.9G   1% /dev
[22:13] <adrian_berg> tmpfs                 776M 1004K  775M   1% /run
[22:14] <adrian_berg> none                  5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[22:14] <adrian_berg> none                  1.9G  3.0M  1.9G   1% /run/shm
[22:14] <FloodBotK2> adrian_berg: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:14] <adrian_berg> /home/adrian/.Private  259G   72G  174G  30% /home/adrian
[22:14] <macram> crap, i think this thing muted you
[22:14] <macram> you chmoded /tmp with 777, right?
[22:14] <adrian_berg> Yes
[22:14] <adrian_berg> 1777 actually, but same thing
[22:14] <macram> only chmod 777 /tmp?
[22:15] <macram> or chmod -R 777 /tmp?
[22:15] <adrian_berg> 1777 /tmp and /var/tmp
[22:15] <adrian_berg> only chmod
[22:15] <adrian_berg> Guess I could recursively apply it
[22:15] <macram> please try -R ;)
[22:15] <adrian_berg> Rebooting
[22:15] <adrian_berg> BRB
[22:18] <adrian_berg> Nothing
[22:19] <adrian_berg> sudo chmod -R 1777 /var/tmp && sudo chmod -R 1777 /tmp were the commands used
[22:19] <adrian_berg> && sudo reboot
[22:19] <macram> this is gonna look crazy
[22:20] <macram> please check the permissions of /dev/null
[22:20] <macram> xD
[22:20] <adrian_berg> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2011-12-26 16:16 null
[22:20] <adrian_berg> That doesn't look good...
[22:21] <adrian_berg> Guess I should 0666 that mess
[22:21] <adrian_berg> Sec
[22:22] <macram> adrian_berg: they are good, don't try anything crazy!
[22:22] <macram> ;)
[22:22] <adrian_berg> Oh, really?
[22:22] <adrian_berg> It's 0666 now
[22:22] <adrian_berg> Not kubuntu specific now, how do you make the permissions crw-rw-rw- root:root now :)
[22:23] <adrian_berg> I can do the root:root
[22:23]  * adrian_berg mans chmod
[22:23] <macram> i think crw-rw-rw- equals 1666
[22:24] <adrian_berg> drw-rw-rwT  2 adrian adrian   4096 2011-12-26 16:24 blah
[22:25] <adrian_berg> No big deal, 0666 should be fine
[22:26] <macram> adrian_berg: nevermind about /dev/null
[22:26] <macram> still reading...
[22:26] <macram> check permissions of your /home
[22:26] <macram> (mine would be /home/macram)
[22:27] <macram> and also check permissions of ~/.kde4
[22:28] <adrian_berg> Sorry, was on the phone
[22:28] <adrian_berg> I just noticed that I didn't click the checkbox for these: http://i.imgur.com/QbWFn.png
[22:29] <adrian_berg> I guess that's okay, nevermind
[22:29] <adrian_berg> drwx------ 97 adrian adrian 24576 2011-12-26 16:24 adrian
[22:31] <macram> i don't know what could be your problem, mate
[22:31] <macram> because i think it could be a million things
[22:33] <adrian_berg> Rebooting
[22:38] <manu> witch one is more stabil?...Kubuntu 32 or 64?
[22:38] <Guest43764> witch one is more stabil?...Kubuntu 32 or 64?
[22:40] <Guest43764> witch one is more stabil?...Kubuntu 32 or 64?
[22:45] <adrian_berg> macram: hey
[22:45] <tsimpson> Snowhog: they all run exactly the same code, so who knows what's up with it
[22:45] <adrian_berg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[22:45] <adrian_berg> selecting lightdm resolves the problems
[22:46] <adrian_berg> I can't manage to automatically login though
[22:46] <adrian_berg> I selected automatic login from gnome-control-center for my user
[22:46] <adrian_berg> Also manually edited the lightdm file after that didn't work
[22:46] <adrian_berg> That didn't work either
[22:47] <adrian_berg> I just want autologin :)
[22:47] <macram> adrian_berg: edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[22:47] <macram> oh, well
[22:47] <adrian_berg> macram: Yeah
[22:47] <adrian_berg> That's what I did
[22:47] <adrian_berg> Heh, oh well, I refuse to accept :D
[22:47] <macram> yeah yeah, i have a bit of lag :)
[22:47] <adrian_berg> Takes forever to get to a KDE session
[22:47] <macram> adrian_berg: show me lightdm.conf
[22:47] <macram> ;)
[22:48] <adrian_berg> I think auto-logging-in would at least put it somewhat on par with the default ubuntu unity stuff
[22:48] <Snowhog> adrian_berg: You running 11.10?
[22:48] <adrian_berg> macram: Sure
[22:48] <adrian_berg> Snowhog: Yes
[22:49] <Snowhog> adrian_berg: System Settings > Login Screen > Convenience  and check Enable Password-Less Logins doesn't work for you?
[22:49] <adrian_berg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/784000/
[22:50] <adrian_berg> Snowhog: Nope, I'm not using KDM anymore, had those problems stated above which weren't resolved
[22:50] <macram> adrian_berg: and what session do you want to use ;)
[22:50] <macram> i think this thing is right as it should be, so...
[22:53] <adrian_berg> I'm going to try using KDM once mroe
[22:54] <Guest43764> witch one is more stabil?...Kubuntu 32 or 64?
[22:55] <macram> Guest43764: what kind of machine is going to run it?
[22:58] <Guest43764> a 64 bit cpu....
[22:58] <macram> ram?
[22:59] <mateuszch_> Hi everyone
[22:59] <mateuszch_> I've got a certain problem with my kubuntu 11.10 running on lenovo thinkpad
[23:00] <mateuszch_> The thing is, sometimes I can't simply shut it down
[23:00] <Guest43764> 4 g
[23:00] <mateuszch_> and if I write in console "shutdown now" it requires su permissions
[23:01] <mateuszch_> before I quit, plasma usually crashes
[23:02] <macram> mateuszch_: YOU'RE NOT ALONE, same problem here
[23:02] <mateuszch_> macram: You haven't solved it yet?
[23:02] <macram> mateuszch_: nope, still looking for a fix
[23:03] <Guest43764> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1865844
[23:04] <Guest43764> is a easy fix
[23:04] <mateuszch_> Guest43764: I'll check it, thanks a lot :)
[23:04] <Guest43764> np
[23:07] <mateuszch_> Guest43764: Well, it seems  I had this /sbin/shutdown -h -P now set from the very beginning, so that's not the reason I think.
[23:09] <mateuszch_> macram: What kubuntu version are you running? 64 or 32 bits?
[23:09] <Guest43764> strange
[23:09] <macram> mateuszch_: 64
[23:09] <macram> and my wifi adapter identifies itself as "Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)"
[23:10] <mateuszch_> Guest43764: I think the same ;p
[23:11] <Guest43764> I had the same problem a wild ago, I should write down the fix... :)
[23:11] <mateuszch_> macram: I've got intel's card
[23:11] <macram> just configured /sbin/shutdown -P (it was -h -P)
[23:12] <macram> i'll try to shut down now (i'm going to sleep, here it's 12am and i'm travelling tomorrow)
[23:12] <macram> i'll keep you in touch if the fix works for me
[23:12] <macram> good night, people!
[23:12] <mateuszch_> good night ;)
[23:15] <mateuszch_> Guest43764: But what is even more strange, it happens only in KDE-mode. While using xfce/gnome-shell,  I didn't have such problems
[23:15] <Guest43764> try to delete the -h
[23:16] <mateuszch_> kk
[23:16] <Guest43764> keep only /sbin/shutdown -P
[23:16] <mateuszch_> Guest43764: Done. I'll check it now
[23:17] <mateuszch_> brb
[23:17] <Guest43764> /sbin/shutdown -P now
[23:19] <janisozaur> how do I set up japanese input method, please?
[23:20] <Guest43764> it worked?
[23:21] <mateuszch> Guest43764: It seems so :)
[23:21] <mateuszch> Guest43764: But after several shutdowns I'll be able to say it for certain ;)
[23:22] <mateuszch> Guest43764: Anyway, thanks for  both your help and time :)
[23:22] <Guest43764> great...


[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54] <mainerror> Morning.
[12:35] <om26er> bug 885544 anyone have thoughts?
[12:35] <webbugs> Launchpad bug 885544 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pressing OS Key shows Lens in FullScreen Apps/Games" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885544
[14:13] <AlanBell> om26er: you can change or turn off the hotkey in unity preferences in ccsm
[14:13] <AlanBell> I did that as the host was grabbing it when working in VMs
[14:13] <AlanBell> I think that is a reasonable solution to someone accidentally pressing it
[18:13] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you happen to have a Pencil template for Phone/Tablet too?
[18:27] <AlanBell> no, but I did find a great android sketching collection
[18:28] <AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/ download available here
[18:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: I was looking for something to mockup Unity on tablets and phones
[18:31] <AlanBell> yes, I was planning on doing that once it was a success in -tv, which I think it is
[18:31] <AlanBell> the android stencil set has a great phone template in it
[18:32] <AlanBell> what is the aspect ratio of a tablet?
[18:39] <AlanBell> they will need landscape and portrait orientations
[18:53] <mhall119> I'd call Pencil a success, yes
[18:54] <jderose> AlanBell: seems most android tablets are 16:9, som 16:10, and i believe the ipad is 4:3
[21:53] <MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone
[21:54] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going here?
[21:58] <Ronnie> hey MrChrisDruif, also into design?
[21:59] <MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; Yeah, just a bit =)
[21:59] <MrChrisDruif> We've got a bit of a design dilemma @ #ubuntu-phone
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> And imnichol thought I was the better communicator of the two of us =')
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> So naturally I laughed, but still here I am ;-)
[22:01] <Ronnie> ;)
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol; I know Ronnie from my LoCo
[22:04] <Ronnie> MrChrisDruif: i didnt know there was a ubuntu-phone project. where can i find some info about it?
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif>  /join #ubuntu-phone
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> All the info is in the topic
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; you might also like #ubuntu-tv and #ubuntu-tablet
[22:05] <Ronnie> oh, these are very wide projects
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Well, me and imnichol thought we have to do much for ubuntu-tablet
[22:06] <imnichol> I think you mean "won't have to do much"
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, typo over there =)
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry aboot that (Yes, I said that like a Canadian according to South Park ;-) )
[22:07] <Ronnie> big difference typo ;)
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> We can't be all perfect Ronnie & imnichol ;-)
[22:08] <imnichol> ;)
[22:08] <Ronnie> i won't even try to be ;)
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, about that design dilemma...
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> With the current Unity design for Desktop/Tablet we've got no problems. However with the small screens of Phones, we've got an issue
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> Unity is more design for screens in landscape orientation, whereas Phones natural position is portrait orientation
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol mentioned webos or something like that, which is similar to Unity except for the location of the Unity bar, which is on the bottom. I think it would be a smart thing to do for Ubuntu Phone in portrait mode
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Thought anyone?
[22:37] <AlanBell> dunno, sketch up a few options and show them to sabdfl
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> That might be a good idea
[22:43] <sabdfl> hello
[22:44] <sabdfl> issue with bottom launcher is density and width
[22:45] <sabdfl> also, thumb flex
[22:45] <sabdfl> perhaps an android app to test on your favourite phone?
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't know sabdfl was here =)
[22:45] <sabdfl> I AM EVERYWHERE ;-)
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> Haha ='D
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> So you think we should keep the bar on the long side?
[22:47] <AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: there is a set of android templates for pencil which includes a perfectly good empty phone frame to draw stuff in
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> (There are pro's and con's to either decision I think)
[22:48] <AlanBell> workspace switcher is important on a phone
[22:49] <imnichol> Is it/
[22:49] <imnichol> *Is it?
[22:49] <AlanBell> more important than on a TV
[22:49] <AlanBell> possibly
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, you want to switch applications regularly on a phone
[22:49] <imnichol> But that doesn't mean switching workplaces
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> And on a phone they should be full screen
[22:49] <AlanBell> true imnichol
[22:50] <imnichol> If all apps are full screen, there's no reason to have workspaces
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I think there is =)
[22:50] <AlanBell> I was actually thinking about my android home page with 5 swipeable pages of apps
[22:50] <imnichol> That's a different thing that I actually agree with
[22:50] <AlanBell> 7 pages actually
[22:50] <imnichol> My pre has 3
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> You can switch workspaces more easily then apps on the same screen I think
[22:50] <AlanBell> with widgets and app launcher buttons
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> To lure users to the Ubuntu Phone things like widget are pretty useful/necessary
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> I think
[23:21] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; do you happen to know where to find those templates of android phone for Pencil?


[17:29] <Omega> the global menu doesn't work on fx 9
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> Omega, it happens every time the version number is bumped
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> it will be fixed in the next build
[18:09] <Omega> chrisccoulson: thanks for the reply :)
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Power Night o/
[22:08] <JanC> does anybody know if most extensions "support" the latest firefox by now?
[22:08]  * JanC hates these quick updates
[22:09] <BUGabundo> does this work for anyone? http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/
[22:09] <JanC> and I'm pretty sure this is gonna hurt Firefox's security reputation too...  :-(
[22:09] <BUGabundo> chromium 15 chrashes
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and FF trunk complains of lacking a open gl lib
[22:10] <BUGabundo> JanC: all my addons are running in firefox trunk
[22:10] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 9.0~a1~hg20110818r75479+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[22:11] <JanC> well, I have a lot of addons, and some of them are written by people in their free time, so they don't always have the time to keep up with 4-6 week "major" releases
[22:13] <JanC> I already had to replace one addon with another less-feature-full one because the author gave up  :-(
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I'm sure it will happen more and more, if mozilla keeps changing API
[22:42] <micahg> JanC: it's every 6 weeks
[22:42] <micahg> and the changes are smaller
[22:43] <micahg> 99% of the major extensions are compatible with 6: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/compatibility/dashboard/6.0
[22:44] <JanC> micahg: changes might be smaller, but "extensions" don't know that  ;)
[22:45] <micahg> the extensions on AMO get an automatic bump if they're compatible
[22:45] <JanC> if they think they are compatible?
[22:46] <JanC> which is a workaround at best
[22:46] <micahg> no, if they're not using any APIs that changed
[22:46] <JanC> micahg: how do they test no APIs changed?
[22:47] <JanC> (APIs have changed accidentally)
[22:47] <micahg> JanC: http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/04/19/add-on-compatibility-rapid-releases/
[22:47] <JanC> they onkly test for what they think changed
[22:48] <JanC> and of course extensions that aren't on their site are left to scramble
[22:49] <micahg> yes, but authors get 12 weeks to test with
[22:49] <micahg> once the branch to aurora happens, the extensions can be ported to the new APIs
[22:49] <JanC> micahg: if the authors have the time...
[22:51] <micahg> and extension compatability shouldn't have anything to do with Firefox's security reputation
[22:52] <JanC> micahg: it has, when people delay upgrading because incompatibility problems
[22:52] <JanC> because of
[22:52] <micahg> well, compatibility on AMO was 95 or 98% on release day, it's getting better, I think 7 will see even more compatible on release day
[22:55] <JanC> I am delaying upgrading myself, and feel bad about it for security, but I got burned with the previous release (3 extensions that took a couple of days to a couple of weeks to "officially" become "compatible" + 1 extension that dropped out entirely)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> nite tech world


[02:18] <raydeo> has anyone made a working upstart script for nginx? so far I'm unable to find one that tracks the correct pid and restarts correctly
[05:23] <combusean> hi all


[06:36] <pitti> jibel: so this morning I committed the .results format fix
[06:37] <jibel> pitti, I saw your fix, thansk for that
[06:37] <pitti> jibel: (sent you a google message yesterday, not sure whether you got it)
[06:37] <pitti> jibel: so this needs to be rolled out to tachash, and then we need to reconfigure all existing jobs, right?
[06:37] <jibel> pitti, the format is still something wrong when there is no *-package
[06:37] <jibel> pitti, I did it
[06:37] <pitti> jibel: infinity was pointing out that britney currently considers all jobs as RUNNING, presumably due to either missing or wrong .result files?
[06:37] <pitti> jibel: ah, great
[06:38] <jibel> pitti, right, it's because there were no result files, I regenerated them, and are waiting for britney to pull them
[06:38] <pitti> jibel: no -packages would be if the test bed failed?
[06:39] <jibel> pitti, yes, but we need to send something back otherwise the status in britney will stay running forever
[06:39] <pitti> jibel: oh, you mean it fails as cat doesn't have anything to cat?
[06:40] <jibel> yes
[06:41] <pitti> hmm
[06:41] <pitti> $ sort -u /nonexisting | tr -s '[\n\t]'
[06:41] <pitti> that at least exits with 0 as tr succeeds
[06:41] <pitti> it doesn't spit out anything of course
[06:41] <jibel> but the format of the result file will be wrong
[06:41] <pitti> jibel: or is testpkg-version missing as well?
[06:41] <pitti> jibel: i. e. it doesn't get along with zero dependencies, or is the package itself missing?
[06:42] <jibel> it will be release arch package result instead of release arch package version result
[06:42] <jibel> and it wron't be parsed correcly on the other side
[06:42] <jibel> pitti, test-version is missing as well
[06:43] <pitti> ah; so that would be if it doesn't even get to the point where it unpacks the package, like qemu failing to start or so
[06:43] <jibel> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-libreoffice/4/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ for example
[06:43] <pitti> jibel: would something like "release arch package ERROR" be acceptable? to tell apart a test failure from autopkgtestr machinery failure?
[06:44] <jibel> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-libreoffice/4/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/
[06:44] <pitti> jibel: btw, http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-binutils/configure still doesn't have the updated config
[06:44] <jibel> pitti, yes that's what I did previously we could return an erro
[06:44] <jibel> r
[06:44] <jibel> I'll add the logic to the job
[06:44] <pitti> so if testpkg-version is not present, that's definitively an error
[06:45] <pitti> jibel: for the port redirection I suspect we run into a race condition and my logic to check whether a port is taken is flawed; I'll look into that today
[06:45] <jibel> pitti, if *-package are missing it's an error as well
[06:45] <pitti> jibel: it might be that all tests were skipped
[06:46] <jibel> pitti, but you'd generate the testbed-package in that case, isn't it?
[06:46] <pitti> jibel: oh, right
[06:46] <pitti> jibel: confirmed
[06:47] <pitti> so [ -e testpkg-version -a -e testbed-packages ] || MAYHEM
[07:04] <jibel> pitti, there is indeed an important risk of race in find_freeport because there is a lot of time between the moment the port is allocated and the moment qemu is really started and the port really open.
[07:04] <pitti> jibel: *nod*, that's what I need to fix
[07:05] <pitti> we don't even need to do this at all normally, only when using --shell-on-failure
[08:19] <pitti> jibel: I rolled out several fixes (including proper port locking) to the adt workers
[08:20] <pitti> jibel: when you do the mass-rollout of the new job configs all jobs will automatically re-run, right?
[08:21] <jibel> pitti, no, I requeue them manually
[08:21] <jibel> pitti, should I do it now ?
[08:23] <pitti> (so that we get proper .results files)
[08:23] <pitti> jibel: I guess we should wait until the "error" logic for the .results file is done?
[08:25] <pitti> jibel: just to confirm, the results for a successful run like http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-apt/2/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console look ok now?
[08:25] <jibel> pitti, okay, pushing that fix now
[08:26] <jibel> pitti, it looks ok, I didn't notice the double package name yesterday, sorry about that.
[08:26] <pitti> jibel: no worries, I didn't think about it either; I just wanted to check that it propagated to the job config
[08:27] <pitti> jibel: looking at results.history it seems the results files still don't propagate? apt is still RUNNING there
[08:28] <jibel> pitti, last run of britney was more than 90min ago
[08:28] <pitti> ah
[08:33] <jibel> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7328311/ actually the format was right when there is no *-packages but the extension was wrong, the rest is unchanged and an error will be reported
[08:34] <jibel> err, without $PACKAGE in the first part
[08:39] <pitti> jibel: line 4:
[08:39] <pitti> [ $RET -gt 0 ] && result="FAIL"
[08:39] <pitti> jibel: this should be [ $RET -eq 0 ]
[08:39] <pitti> ... || [ $RET -eq 2 ] || result=FAIL
[08:40] <jibel> pitti, if adr-run return 0 or 2 it is a success, isn't it?
[08:41] <pitti> jibel: correct (2 is "some tests skipped")
[08:41] <jibel> pitti, the case where the resturn status is 2 is handled earlier, just not in the pastebin
[08:41] <pitti> jibel: ah, so an error doesn't go into .results, but a separate .error
[08:41] <pitti> jibel: ah, ok
[08:42] <pitti> jibel: line 5 still has the additional $PACKAGE, that needs to go
[08:42] <jibel> pitti, I dropped it
[08:42] <pitti> jibel: good; LGTM then
[08:42] <pitti> jibel: the [ -f "$resultfile" ] && bit is a Should Not Happen™ though :)
[08:42] <jibel> pitti, I think I'll put all of this in a shell script rather that updating the XML
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: ah good, then we don't need to update the job config to fix the script
[08:44] <jibel> pitti, espacing shell scripts and encapsulating them into xml file makes me sick :)
[08:45] <jibel> that's how it looks after encoding http://paste.ubuntu.com/7328364/ horrible!
[08:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:46] <pitti> jibel: yeah, I know; +1 for shell script, also for easier updates
[08:46] <jibel> and if jenkins goes AWOL we don't lose it
[08:52] <jibel> pitti, I pulled the new config on tachash
[08:52] <jibel> and the queue is empty, I think we can do a mass retest
[08:53]  * pitti puts finger in ears
[08:55] <jibel> pitti, 61 pacakges in the queue
[08:55] <jibel> they should appear on jenkins soon
[08:56] <pitti> jibel: ok, let's see what I broke this time :)
[08:58] <jibel> at least the syntax of the shell script seems correct. Jobs start :)
[09:01] <jibel> pitti, is test output buffered? eg. http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-apt/ARCH=i386,label=adt/3/console don't display the output of the run-tests
[09:04] <pitti> jibel: there is no live output yet for adt-virt-qemu, that's rather tricky todo
[09:04] <pitti> jibel: that's on my list, though
[09:04] <jibel> pitti, ok
[09:05] <pitti> jibel: that one just succeeded
[09:05] <jibel> pfff, no fun
[09:05] <pitti> oh the queue length
[09:06] <jibel> we'll immediately see if there is still a race in port allocation :)
[09:08] <pitti> jibel: it properly uses flock() now, that really ought to do :)
[09:09] <pitti> jibel: ok, do you see anything else burning ATM? if not, I'll go ahead with eliminating dh_listpackages (I installed a local copy on the workers which don't have debhelper installed, but that's a temp workaround)
[09:09] <jibel> pitti, no, sounds good. I'll monitor the flow to see if anything else needs fixing
[09:10] <pitti> jibel: I guess all of that didn't affect the bug that results fall off excuses and it sometimes promotes failures, right?
[09:11] <pitti> jibel: I think the other day you said it was a "stupid sorting bug" or so
[09:11] <jibel> pitti, right, I'll push the fix today
[09:11] <pitti> jibel: oh, you have a fix for that? awesome
[09:13] <jibel> pitti, I hope, I simplified the history with just 1 line per tuple package@version/dependency@version and the result
[09:14] <jibel> that'll remove the problem when there are several causes that triggered a build and different results for the same package/dep
[09:15] <jibel> I planned to do it earlier but didn't anticipate I'd have to do so much manual testing this cycle again :(
[09:26] <jibel> pitti, http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-fftw3/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/2/console
[09:27] <jibel> pitti, it generated an error file, so at least it validates thios point
[09:27] <jibel> -o
[09:27] <pitti> jibel: but isn't "echo utopic amd64" missing $PACKAGE?
[09:27] <pitti> jibel: indeed, I'll put that tar error on my list
[09:28] <jibel> I made a typo
[09:49] <pitti> jibel: do you have an idea about http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-gzip/5/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console ?
[09:49] <jibel> pitti, yes, I moved the script from jenkins to a shell script. I'm on it
[09:50] <pitti> jibel: ack, thanks; I need to go offline in 10 mins to change trains
[09:50] <pitti> jibel: anything I need to do urgently?
[09:50] <pitti> I eliminated dh_listpackages and rolled it out, so the workers are once again hack free (i. e. clean git head checkout)
[09:50] <jibel> pitti, no, I'll go through the failures
[09:50] <jibel> and let you know if anything is not right
[09:51] <pitti> jibel: ack, thanks; so for now I know about the tar error (no idea yet)
[09:52] <jibel> uh, that sounds really wrong qemu-img: Could not open '/home/auto-package-testing/cache/disks/adt-trusty-amd64-cloud.img
[09:52] <pitti> but probably better to fix the usage of the shared dir to avoid the tar hack altogether
[09:52] <pitti> trusty??
[09:52] <jibel> on aldebaran. looking
[09:53] <pitti> jibel: oh, perhaps we are running the new job template for trusty SRUs?
[09:53] <pitti> but these jobs should all exist
[09:55] <jibel> on aldebaran: $ distro-info -d
[09:55] <jibel> ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated
[09:55] <pitti> ah, so that hits the "trusty" fallback
[09:55] <jibel> it's been updated everywhere else
[09:55] <pitti> curious why it doesn't happen on the others
[09:55] <pitti> ah
[09:56] <pitti> ok, AFK for ~ 20 mins or so
[10:44] <pitti> jibel: back online
[11:32] <pitti> jibel: sorry, internet in the Thalys just sucks :/ will need to do offline work
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: ah, I can reproduce the "tar: Unexpected EOF in archive" bug locally \o/
[13:14] <jibel> pitti, for linux {standard input}: Fatal error: can't write drivers/scsi/isci/.tmp_host.o: No space left on device
[13:14] <jibel> pitti, in trusty, there was a list of package to run on disk instead of memory
[13:14] <jibel> packages
[13:15] <jibel> pitti, for mysql, fork failed sleep 1 second and redo: Cannot allocate memory at lib/My/SafeProcess/Base.pm line 53.
[13:17] <jibel> pitti, I'll increase to 2G
[14:16] <jibel> pitti, I reviewed test failures. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7330086/ is the list of tests that potentially fails because of the new test environment. I am not sure about u-drivers-common though
[14:17] <jibel> pitti, I'll fix 1 and 2
[14:18] <jibel> pitti, BTW indicator-datetime doesn't like comments in /etc/timezone. It displays all the content of that file in the indicator
[19:10] <alesage> balloons, where would you send someone to report an upgrade an LTS-to-LTS upgrade bug?
[19:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, elopio hi
[19:28] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:28] <balloons> alesage, against the source package and/or the upgrade tool used
[19:29] <alesage> balloons, unknown, he's having boot-trouble
[19:29] <alesage> balloons, sorry to assail you, just don't know where exactly to take this q :)
[19:29] <alesage> balloons, and he's asking "how to help", etc.
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am having the same problem I had time ago in reminders app  on seeing the objectNames I put in the qml not sure if I have to tell you or elopio
[19:30] <balloons> alesage, ohh.. is it live?
[19:31] <balloons> no worries, yes we can troubleshoot. how did he upgrade? and can he get console access?
[19:31] <balloons> I would want to use ubuntu-bug to send a log to lp with th ebug
[19:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, what was the original resolution to that?
[19:31] <balloons> do you remember how we fixed it?
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it was that the reminders binary didn't point at the correct qml file
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, so -q was added to the binary
[19:33] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh right! yes, it was the launching issue
[19:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, could be I am doing something wrong as it was quite some time ago I used reminders
[19:33] <alesage> balloons, getting some info from him thanks


[21:58] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue723 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue723 :D
[22:02] <krytarik> Bashing-om: How about promoting the two Ubuntu Touch articles to the general Blogosphere? :3
[22:08] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yeah - we had that thought - but as Canonical no longer supports - guiverc and I thought better in this section. No ?
[22:09] <krytarik> No, I think that'd be understating the Ubuntu community.. :3
[22:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack :D Moving.
[22:11] <krytarik> I mean there are regularly news in the Blogosphere about software Canonical has even less to do with.. like desktop environments or kernel etc..
[22:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Agreed ^ - we did have a discussion about Ubports in our Gdoc comments - I agreed to make the change. Our senior editor prevails :D
[22:23] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edits ?
[22:24]  * guiverc has no objections either way.. I see Ubuntu as related to desktop/server as it's what i use, but agree that's reducing the size of the Ubuntu community


[15:27] <fungi> what's the preferred way to request deletion/redacting a bug? a user reported a bug to one of our projects and accidentally included some information in it they wanted kept private. they've edited the description but of course the detail is still there in the original description/activity log views. thankfully it was reported as a private bug, but i don't want to end up leaving it private forever so
[15:27] <fungi> curious what the best solution is
[15:28] <cjwatson> fungi: support link in the topic if you can describe the issue to us without repeating private information, otherwise email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:29] <fungi> sounds good. since the bug is private it's probably safe for me to mention the bug number in the support request
[15:30] <fungi> thanks!
[15:30] <cjwatson> fungi: it's a bit fiddly and involves SQL surgery, but we do have a way to "promote" an edited version of a bug's description to pretend as though it's the original description
[15:30] <cjwatson> I've done it like twice before, that means it's a process, right?
[15:31] <fungi> sure, i mean completely deleting the report would be fine too, the reporter is willing to submit a new sanitized version
[15:31] <cjwatson> "completely deleting" would amount to moving it to a different private project with more limited visibility, which probably isn't better
[15:31] <fungi> is one easier or more possible than the other?
[15:31] <fungi> got it
[15:31] <fungi> thanks again!
[15:32] <cjwatson> happy for us to do the promote-to-original thing, probably, though will need to look at the details
[15:34] <fungi> cjwatson: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/703908
[15:35] <fungi> and apologies for the hassle. i'm unfortunately all too familiar with having to perform similar tasks for users
[15:42] <ricotz> hello, I noticed two spam messages/accounts - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1779432/comments/62 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1779432/comments/63
[15:42] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 1779432 in LibreOffice "[upstream] Libre Writer doesn't do duplex printing" [High, Confirmed]
[15:51] <cjwatson> ricotz: could you file a ticket for those using the support link in the topic please?
[15:51] <cjwatson> can't do it right now, I just started a deployment on my laptop and everything is running like treacle
[15:52] <ricotz> cjwatson, done
[15:52] <ricotz> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/703909


[06:01] <ehw> hey, stokes, you awake?
[06:01] <ehw> doh
[07:53] <mramm> anybody about?
[07:54] <wallyworld_> mramm: hi
[07:54] <mramm> I wanted to bounce some HA ideas off of folks
[07:54] <axw> I'm here.. haven't been looking at HA tho
[07:54] <mramm> that mailing list thread seems to like a lot of heat
[07:54] <mramm> I'm just trying to think about how we spell it for users
[07:55] <mramm> not about how we implement it ;)
[07:55] <wallyworld_> i think there's 2 common ideas - the ensure-has thing and the concept of juju services - db, api etc
[07:56] <wallyworld_> seems the juju add-unit juju:db thing is popular
[07:56] <wallyworld_> and fits with how people like to think about it
[07:58] <TheMue> imho an important part of the story is to tell the user, that we talk about juju ha, not of ha for their services
[07:58] <TheMue> those are two different stories
[07:58] <mramm> wallyworld_: I think that is sort of complicate to call these things units
[07:58] <TheMue> morning btw
[07:58] <mramm> they will be special units
[07:59] <mramm> there aren't charms for them
[07:59] <mramm> they can't have subordinates
[07:59] <mramm> they don't have hooks
[07:59] <mramm> removing them kills everything
[07:59] <TheMue> mramm: exact. they may share the same base technology, but the semantics is a different one
[08:00] <wallyworld_> true. i think folks liked to think of the juju:services in terms of units that could be added to
[08:00]  * TheMue prefers a number of ha-... commands
[08:00] <axw> sorry mramm missed your hangout thing - want to take it there, or keep chatting here?
[08:00] <wallyworld_> so the add-unit paradigm could be used
[08:00] <mramm> I'm all for spelling it add-unit juju:db someday -- but starting out that way is crazy
[08:01] <mramm> wallyworld_: I like that idea too
[08:01] <mramm> though I think we have a good way to go before we get there
[08:01] <wallyworld_> yeah
[08:01] <wallyworld_> i also like the ensure-ha idea to set up a ha scenario
[08:01] <mramm> so what do we do in the short term that still makes sense in the long term?
[08:01] <TheMue> wallyworld_: +1
[08:01] <wallyworld_> and then use add-unit <service> to maintain it
[08:02] <TheMue> mramm: the underlying logic and the command interface to the user are different things
[08:02] <wallyworld_> my opinion is do ensure-ha N where N >=3 to set up a workale ha scenario
[08:02] <mramm> TheMue: right
[08:02] <TheMue> mramm: imho the enable-ha still can use the idea of core units
[08:02] <wallyworld_> then add stuff to allow users to add to the initial set up
[08:02] <TheMue> eh, services
[08:02] <mramm> we don't have "units"
[08:03] <mramm> and making state server stuff into units is complicated
[08:03] <mramm> and by that I mean enabling them to act like units to users
[08:03] <mramm> anyway, if anybody wants to chat about this via voice: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpimd6r4dqrb52sh0b8h3jg0?hl=en
[08:07] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[08:32] <noodles775> Anyone around able to look at a charm-helpers MP (some ansible support): https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/charm-helpers/ansible-tags/+merge/194324
[09:37] <mramm> so the result of the google hangout was that I sent an e-mail, and while I'm not 100% sure we've got the exact spelling of everything worked out we agreed on a proposed command line syntax for HA
[09:37] <mramm> (those in the meeting already know, and those not in the meeting can see the results in the juju-dev mailing list)
[10:42] <wallyworld_> mgz: wallyword + friday evening  + alcohol = no standup
[10:43] <wallyworld_> + 2 women also
[10:44] <dimitern> :) \o/
[10:48] <dimitern> mgz, rogpeppe, TheMue: standup?
[10:51] <dimitern> mgz, ping
[11:48] <TheMue> tschakka, first try already looks better
[11:57]  * TheMue => lunch
[14:33] <rogpeppe> lunch
[18:04] <rogpeppe> i'm done. happy weekends all.
[19:44] <ahasenack> hi, does someone know of the top of his/her head how juju gets the private-address value?
[19:44] <ahasenack> is it something like "hostname -f"?
[19:56] <natefinch> ahasenack: it's different per provider, but mostly it comes from provider metadata
[19:57] <ahasenack> natefinch: in the case of maas, do you know? I'm going over the code, but kind of getting lost
[19:57] <ahasenack> I found this
[19:57] <ahasenack> func (info *machineInfo) load() error {
[19:57] <ahasenack>     return utils.ReadYaml(_MAASInstanceFilename, info)
[19:57] <ahasenack> }
[19:57] <ahasenack> and now I'm chasing down that that instance filename is
[19:58] <natefinch> ahasenack: you're a few "go to definition" clicks ahead of me, looks like
[19:59] <ahasenack> there is provider/maas/environprovider.go
[19:59] <ahasenack> where I found func (maasEnvironProvider) hostname() (string, error) {
[19:59] <ahasenack>     info := machineInfo{}
[19:59] <ahasenack>     return info.Hostname, nil
[19:59] <ahasenack> looks like I want that info.Hostname bit
[19:59] <natefinch> ahasenack: yeah, I  got there.  I see this:
[19:59] <natefinch> var _MAASInstanceFilename = environs.DataDir + "/MAASmachine.txt"
[20:00] <natefinch> so, /var/lib/juju/MAASmachine.txt
[20:00] <ahasenack> where, on the unit?
[20:00] <ahasenack> presto!
[20:00] <ahasenack> root@k8q9m:/var/lib/juju# cat MAASmachine.txt
[20:00] <ahasenack> hostname: k8q9m.maaslocal
[20:00] <ahasenack> natefinch: thanks :)
[20:00] <ahasenack> now, what populates that, the provider?
[20:02] <natefinch> ahasenack: trying to figure that out
[20:05] <natefinch> ahasenack: yeah, it looks like it gets it during StartInstance
[20:05] <natefinch> ahasenack:  mi.maasObject.GetField("hostname")


[23:47] <stas> hi, I'm trying to apply a patch to php5-cgi package, but I can't find configure file inside the sources of the package
[23:47] <stas> how is it possible to patch it?


 What's the process for mutter commits? Jonas approved a patch of mine but who lands it?
[07:28] <Trevinho> hi didrocks
[07:28] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:29] <Trevinho> duflu: if it's under commit-now, he can land it or I can too...
[07:29] <Trevinho> duflu: anyone with gnome git push can...
[07:29] <Trevinho> if I get the "commit-now" flag I generally just go ahead, otherwise I wait for a maintainer
[07:30] <duflu> Trevinho, how would I know if I have such powers?
[07:30] <Trevinho> duflu: you know if you have them :-D
[07:30]  * didrocks is still waiting for patch reviewing for 2 months on the Shell, lucky duflu ;)
[07:30] <Trevinho> duflu: I mean you need to follow a registration process...
[07:30] <duflu> didrocks, I have one older than that :/
[07:30] <Trevinho> but not it's on invitation or sort off
[07:30] <duflu> Trevinho, OK, please: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790309
[07:31] <Trevinho> didrocks: I'm in the same boat too.. with maaaany commits. Only Jonas is the one who really reviews so far :-(
[07:31] <duflu> (master and 3.26)
[07:31] <Trevinho> duflu: ok I'll do it soon
[07:31] <duflu> Ta
[07:32] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, quite frustating. Good that Jonas is on top on the wayland side at least :)
[08:37] <didrocks> started with 200 lines of patch, dep on the dock & gsettings + duplicated code to:
[08:37] <didrocks>  panel.js |   18 +++++++++++++++++-
[08:37] <didrocks>  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
[08:37] <didrocks> \o/
[08:42] <willcooke> morning all
[08:42] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[08:43] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[08:47] <andyrock> good morning
[08:47] <willcooke> hihi andyrock
[08:47] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[08:48] <willcooke> The power is going off here at some point today, don't know when exactly.  I'll switch to 3G so it should be fine
[08:48] <willcooke> but if I vanish, that's why
[08:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers, hey willcooke didrocks andyrock
[08:55] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:56] <seb128> hey didrocks :)
[08:59] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you think you can review https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792354? (as this one is small and self-contained)
[09:02] <Laney> hao
[09:05] <andyrock> hey Laney
[09:05] <andyrock> Laney: do you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httmock/+bug/1735160 ?
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:08] <Laney> hey andyrock seb128
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: i'm alright, was just looking at the christmas tree which is still up
[09:09]  * Laney is receiving bad luck now
[09:09] <Laney> :(!
[09:09] <Laney> you?
[09:09] <Laney> andyrock: yeah ok
[09:09] <andyrock> danke
[09:09] <seb128> is that bad luck to keep those after the new year?
[09:09] <Laney> I'll comment on the bug with feedback?
[09:10] <seb128> I'm good thanks :)
[09:10] <Laney> after the 12th night which is jan 6
[09:21] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:32] <Laney> yo didrocks
[09:32] <Laney> you ok?
[09:37] <didrocks> I'm okish ;) yourself?
[09:42] <andyrock> who's willing to review some software-properties code?
[09:47] <Laney> GREAT!
[09:52]  * duflu thinks Laney is probably answering didrocks, not andyrock
[09:52] <andyrock> ahah :D
[09:52] <andyrock> 💔
[09:54]  * Laney already signed up to some review :-)
[10:12] <seb128> andyrock, I can try to have a look if nobody steps up (though week is going to be busy for me catching up post holidays and preparing next week), but could you try to ping bdmurray in case he would be wanting to do that?  I think he did look at some of the changes there in the past and software-properties is foundations-maintained iirc
[10:42] <willcooke> Anyone had a play with this: https://github.com/lestcape/Gnome-Global-AppMenu ?
[10:43] <duflu> Not to be rude, but instead; good night
[10:45] <didrocks> willcooke: unsure if this is the popular one, but I got mixed reviews from users on the appmenu extension (only partially working and so on)
[10:46] <willcooke> ah right, I expected it wouldnt be a great experience
[10:47] <didrocks> could work quite well for gtkapplications, but most of them have migrated to headerbar anyway
[10:48] <didrocks> the only one which would have been great is gnome-terminal, which isn't supported under wayland from the README
[10:49] <willcooke> hexchat is the biggest pain point for me atm
[10:50] <didrocks> I have a special "gnome-terminal profile" not showing the menu for weechat
[10:51] <didrocks> have you tried Polari? I heard it's crashing a lot though
[10:51] <willcooke> Haven't looked, but the idea of having to a different app just because menus don't work seems, odd ;)
[10:51] <willcooke> like, I dont want to have to
[10:52] <didrocks> yeah, just that one should be better integrated, not a fix per say :)
[11:21] <Laney> andyrock: did you mean to have a py-macaroon-bakery task instead of a python-nacl one?
[11:34] <andyrock> Laney: sorry?
[11:34] <andyrock> there is just one bug
[11:35] <Laney> yes but 4 tasks on it
[11:40] <Laney> there's no change for python-nacl there but there is a py-macaroon-bakery one
[11:41] <Laney> anyway, I commented, thanks for the work so far
[12:09] <willcooke_> Trevinho, are you free at 1400 UTC (~ 2 hrs) for a design meeting re: themes?
[12:24] <andyrock> thanks Laney I'll take a look after lunch
[13:02] <Trevinho> willcooke_: hey... Yes!
[13:03] <didrocks> Trevinho: have you seen my request for review this morning? :)
[13:37] <Trevinho> didrocks: ops no, sorry... Checking
[14:29] <willcooke_> just finishing a meeting, will be a few mins for the team meeting
[14:31] <willcooke_> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-01-09
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  9 14:31:53 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:32] <didrocks> hey hey hey
[14:32] <willcooke_> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:32] <jbicha> o/
[14:32] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:32] <jibel> hi o/
[14:32] <andyrock> o/
[14:32] <seb128> hey
[14:32] <Laney> _o
[14:32] <heber> o/
[14:32] <Trevinho> 1o
[14:32] <Laney> ,o
[14:33] <Trevinho> o-
[14:33] <willcooke_> Happy new year gang!
[14:33] <Laney> o
[14:33] <Trevinho> ·
[14:33] <jbicha> Laney: did your arm fall off?
[14:33] <Laney> °
[14:33]  * seb128 wonders what Trevinho and Laney are drawing
[14:33] <Laney> floating away
[14:33] <Trevinho> it can be a good random seed
[14:33] <andyrock> ahaha
[14:33] <willcooke_> Laney, how are you going to operate your digital watch now?
[14:33] <kenvandine> o/
[14:33] <willcooke_> bonus points for knowing that quote ^
[14:34] <willcooke_> let's start
[14:34] <willcooke_> #topic andyrock
[14:34] <andyrock> hey
[14:34] <andyrock> 1. Catching up after long holidays
[14:34] <andyrock> 2. Try to understand why livepatch notifications are not showed in bionic (some problem with symstemd path units)
[14:34] <andyrock> 3. Still working on the py-macaroonsbakery SRU
[14:34] <andyrock> 4. Some debug for possible regressions in the unity lockscreen
[14:34] <andyrock> 5. EOW
[14:34] <willcooke_> thanks andyrock
[14:34] <Laney> fraid not
[14:34] <willcooke_> #topic dgadomski
[14:34] <dgadomski> hey
[14:34] <dgadomski> sadly, nothing desktop-releated to share this year so far
[14:35] <dgadomski> eof
[14:35] <willcooke_> cheers dgadomski
[14:35] <willcooke_> #topic didrocks
[14:35] <didrocks> hey!
[14:35] <didrocks> * Dealing with a month of email backlog
[14:35] <didrocks> * Finally dealt with legal stuff in GNOME, we are now waiting on a new checkbox implementation on extensions.gnome.org
[14:35] <didrocks> * Mentor and guide students in Google code in (still ongoing)
[14:35] <didrocks> * Catching up with December's news. (I would like to desktop the nautilus desktop item in the AOB)
[14:35] <didrocks> * Relaunching Volume + extensions support discussion (seems no upstream movement on this though, but some suggestions from GNOME design team)
[14:35] <didrocks> * Catchup on new theme discussions and progress
[14:35] <didrocks> * MIR gnome-characters review
[14:35] <didrocks> .
[14:35] <willcooke_> thanks didrocks
[14:36] <willcooke_> #topic duflue
[14:36] <willcooke_> #topic duflu
[14:36] <willcooke_> * BlueZ 5.48 for bionic:
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Git setup done: https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez?h=ppa-bionic
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Completed testing with a few devices. Works well here. Possibly slightly better than 5.46 does right now?
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - PPA ready (modulo blocked builds :P) for bionic: https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Test at your leisure.
[14:36] <willcooke_> * Pure Wayland apps (including mpv) not responding to the mouse (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739625)
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Yes, really. I can't believe I missed this after recommending mpv to everyone.
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Invested a couple of days and proposed a fix upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790309
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - This was also interesting to me to learn about Wayland's WM interfaces.
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Fix landing soon. I hope it will be in time for mutter 3.26.3.
[14:36] <willcooke_> * Unresponsive touchpads (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696929)
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Good news: Tested on more laptops with great success.
[14:36] <willcooke_>   - Bad news: A couple of days ago upstream changed the algorithm again, in a risky way. So now I'm going to have to restart testing all over again. Then hopefully will distro-patch this week.
[14:36] <willcooke_> * HELP: Fixes still awaiting sponsorship:
[14:37] <willcooke_>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846
[14:37] <willcooke_>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/totem/fix-1502476/+merge/333195
[14:37] <willcooke_>   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1732629
[14:37] <willcooke_> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[14:37] <willcooke_> * Completed retrospective bug reviews for all new bugs logged during my vacation: pulseaudio, totem, mpv, gnome-shell, mutter, dkms, wayland, ubuntu-themes, gdm3, mir
[14:37] <willcooke_>   - Worth noting: gnome-shell needs more people answering its bugs.
[14:37] <willcooke_>   - Also worth noting: nautilus (Ubuntu) needs a massive bug clean-out.
[14:37] <willcooke_> desktoppers, please take a look at the "HELP" section and see if you can sponsor any of those ^^
[14:37] <willcooke_> #topic jbicha
[14:37] <jbicha> • Finished converting most of Debian's pkg-gnome repos from svn to git
[14:37] <jbicha> • Filed bugs to help remove old GNOME2 libraries from Debian and Ubuntu
[14:37] <jbicha> • Filed a lot of GNOME bugs in 2017
[14:37] <jbicha> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2018-January/msg00004.html
[14:37] <jbicha> • Uploaded the Desktop Sharing panel for unity-control-center written by robert_ancell, updated by k_alam
[14:37] <jbicha> • Uploaded up-to-date vino, leaving only vala (scheduled for late January) and gnome-terminal/vte at the 3.24 versions as the only GNOME components not at 3.26
[14:38] <jbicha> • Mozilla has announced the next ESR will be 60 instead of 59. That means 18.04's Thunderbird will probably still depend on gtk2
[14:38] <jbicha> since 52 ESR still supports NPAPI plugins besides Flash.
[14:38] <jbicha> If debconf is ported to gtk3 soon, that will make 18.04.1 the first Ubuntu release without gtk2 (since it will have Thunderbird 60)
[14:38] <jbicha> https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
[14:38] <jbicha> • I won't be at next week's meeting
[14:38] <jbicha> • 😎
[14:38] <willcooke_> nice work jbicha, thanks a lot
[14:39] <willcooke_> #topic jamesh
[14:39] <willcooke_> gnome-software:
[14:39] <willcooke_> *produced debdiff for next xenial update based on Robert's work.
[14:39] <willcooke_> snapcraft:
[14:39] <willcooke_> *debugged font display issue for Electron based snaps using desktop
[14:39] <willcooke_> interface.  In the end a community member pointed out the issue: the
[14:39] <willcooke_> executable stack flag causes our AppArmor policy to stop fontconfig
[14:39] <willcooke_> from mmaping fonts and cache files.  I think we could do with a better
[14:39] <willcooke_> "lint" tools (or advertise the existing ones better).
[14:39] <willcooke_> snapd:
[14:39] <willcooke_> * followed up on my outstanding PRs.  We're trying to organise a time
[14:39] <willcooke_> for me, zyga and niemeyer to discuss how to proceed on the user-mounts
[14:39] <willcooke_> PR this week.
[14:39] <willcooke_> * I also chatted with zyga about the status of his extended content
[14:39] <willcooke_> interface PR (a prereq for implementing theme support).  He says all
[14:39] <willcooke_> its blockers have been merged, but it has a few merge conflicts that
[14:39] <willcooke_> need resolving.
[14:39] <willcooke_> #topic jibel / heber
[14:39] <jibel> - Testing of the Firefox snap
[14:39] <jibel> - Preparation work for bootspeed tests (automated provisioning and instrumentation of machines running bionic in the Taipei lab)
[14:39] <jibel> - Testing of 17.10.1 to fix bug 1734147. The target release date is this Thursday (Jan. 11th) Any help from someone with a spare lenovo machine is welcome.
[14:39] <jibel> - Investigating distribution upgrade bug from 17.10 to 18.04 (bug 1742147)
[14:39] <jibel> - Fixed QA CI jobs in Jenkins. Testing now.
[14:39] <jibel> - Help in #ubuntu-google with task: Automate gnome-software tests: code approved but merge pending until we can run the tests on Jenkins (some nodes are still offline due to Meltdown/Spectre situation)
[14:40] <jibel> - Adding more automated tests for gnome-software
[14:40] <jibel> ..
[14:40] <willcooke_> thanks jibel
[14:40] <willcooke_> #topic kenvandine
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Worked on an issue with fonts not being displayed in electron apps when using the desktop interfaces, resolved now.
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Snapped the latest thunderbird beta
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Helped advocacy team with some snaps
[14:40] <kenvandine> EOF
[14:40] <willcooke_> thanks kenvandine
[14:40] <willcooke_> #topic Laney
[14:41] <Laney> o bit of post-holiday catching up
[14:41] <Laney> o snap seeding: allow specifying classic snaps as snap:foo/classic, awaiting review
[14:41] <Laney> o systemd user session: fix for session unlocking, start pushing wip branches, need to integrate stuff in build system for g-s-d and update some scripts in gnome-session then can push that one & report to the upstream bug to hopefully get some feedback (or maybe people will try it and can chat at fosdem)
[14:41] <Laney> o some reviews for andyrock
[14:41] <Laney> o little bit of mitigation work for spectre stuff on autopkgtest, also block some people who were crawling the web interface
[14:41] <Laney> o start looking at debian gnome-in-git stuff, thx jbicha for working on that
[14:41] <Laney> ?
[14:41] <willcooke_> thanks Laney
[14:41] <Laney> I can see my own emoji now that I'm on tmux
[14:41] <Laney> it's a beautiful day
[14:41] <willcooke_> I can't see it now
[14:41] <willcooke_> :(
[14:41] <Laney> :<
[14:41] <seb128> I saw a question mark this time :/
[14:41] <willcooke_> sam
[14:42] <willcooke_> e
[14:42] <Laney> you poor people
[14:42] <oSoMoN> it was an utf-8 question mark
[14:42] <seb128> lol
[14:42] <willcooke_> I will deal with this later ;)
[14:42] <willcooke_> #topic oSoMoN
[14:43] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:43] <oSoMoN> • firefox: tested snap
[14:43] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ bug triaging
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium beta to 64.0.3282.39 and updated snap in beta channel
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium dev to 65.0.3298.3 and updated snap in edge channel
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ switched back to upstream desktop-gtk3 part and used DISABLE_WAYLAND=1
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ verified that the snap issue with nvidia proprietary drivers is gone with snapd 2.30, on hardware I had access to during holidays
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ next round of updates pending LP builders availability: stable 63.0.3239.132, beta 64.0.3282.71, dev 65.0.3311.3
[14:43] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated snap to 5.4.4 and successfully built locally, waiting on LP builders to produce an official build
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114915 and submitted https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/47605/
[14:43] <oSoMoN> that's it from me
[14:43] <willcooke_> thanks oSoMoN
[14:43] <willcooke_> #topic seb128
[14:43] <seb128> * just back yesterday
[14:43] <seb128> * catching up on emails and what has been going on
[14:43] <seb128> * reviewed the team plans to start getting ready for the review meeting next week

[14:44] <willcooke_> thanks seb128
[14:44] <willcooke_> #topic tkamppeter
[14:44] <willcooke_> - GSoC 2018
[14:44] <willcooke_>    o Filled mentoring org application forms for the Linux Foundation application
[14:44] <willcooke_>    o Created project idea web pages for the Linux Foundation
[14:44] <willcooke_>    o Listed the project ideas for OpenPrinting on the web pages: 14 ideas (mentors urgently needed)
[14:44] <willcooke_> - cups-filters: Improvements on the driverless printing PPD generator to use human-readable strings from CUPS
[14:44] <willcooke_> - printer drivers: Lexmark wants to make use of the new PCLm CUPS filter of GSoC 2017
[14:44] <willcooke_> - Bugs
[14:45] <willcooke_> #topic Trevinho
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed others gjs issues and make it less strict on JS memory errors
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Reviews of some gnome bugs
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed the encoding of gnome-shell screencast when using scaled fb (new scaling)
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Looking at fprintd integration
[14:45] <Trevinho>  ···
[14:45] <willcooke_> thanks Trevinho
[14:45] <willcooke_> #topic robert_ancell
[14:46] <willcooke_> - Back from holidays
[14:46] <willcooke_> - update snapd-glib for changes in snapd
[14:46] <willcooke_> - working on guest session support
[14:46] <willcooke_> #topic AOB
[14:46] <willcooke_> didrocks, you're up
[14:46] <didrocks> so, Nautilus…
[14:47] <didrocks> as most of you know, they are removing the desktop feature in 3.28
[14:47] <didrocks> this leaves up for the LTS with some options (I'll had the link reference later on):
[14:47] <didrocks> - keep nautilus 3.26 for the LTS (and still enable the desktop feature in our session)
[14:47] <didrocks> pro: it works
[14:47]  * seb128 votes that one
[14:47]  * willcooke_ seconds
[14:47] <didrocks> cons: we are are not updating to latest
[14:48] <didrocks> - switch for desktop only to someting else like nemo
[14:48] <didrocks> pro: upstream suggests this
[14:48] <didrocks> cons: it's crazy, we are not going to support another code base for the LTS in addition to Nautilus
[14:48] <didrocks> also, it might not integrate well
[14:48] <didrocks> create new bugs
[14:48] <didrocks> - update nautilus to 3.28 and ship/work on the extension for G-S
[14:48] <didrocks> pro: long term solution
[14:49] <didrocks> cons: not enough time IMHO to deal with it
[14:49] <didrocks> will be detremendous to other options
[14:49] <seb128> does that extension exist?
[14:49] <didrocks> and other bug fixes
[14:49] <didrocks> it does
[14:49] <didrocks> it's a prototype though
[14:49] <seb128> in a working/feature complete state?
[14:49] <didrocks> have a lot of lacking feature
[14:49] <seb128> k
[14:49] <didrocks> and doesn't integrate DnD from Nautilus to desktop for instance
[14:49] <willcooke_> I say we stick with what we know works
[14:49] <jbicha> https://gitlab.gnome.org/csoriano/org.gnome.desktop-icons < is the extension
[14:49] <Trevinho> I guess integrating with nautilus is the hardest part, as it would probably need some new APIs
[14:49] <didrocks> I would suggest we keep Nautilus 3.26, and work on the extension in parallel
[14:49] <Trevinho> so, not really something we could reuse easily
[14:50] <oSoMoN> is there a clear development schedule for that extension?
[14:50] <Trevinho> yeah, agree
[14:50] <seb128> no
[14:50] <didrocks> as we will be likely be the only ones wanting this with some of the communities
[14:50] <seb128> csoriano doesn't plan to work on it
[14:50] <didrocks> there are items to get worked out on the issue tracker
[14:50] <jbicha> I think option 1 is what upstream expected from us, although I'm sure they hoped Canonical would choose option 3 now and help make it great
[14:50] <didrocks> but it's more a PoC
[14:50] <didrocks> we will need to work on it for keeping the desktop if it's what we want in the long term
[14:50] <didrocks> that will give us spare time, post FF, to work on it IMHO
[14:50] <didrocks> (I'm happy to have a look after March)
[14:50] <seb128> option 1 is what I told upstream on IRC we would likely do before holidays
[14:51] <didrocks> sounds like there is not surprise in this meeting, I was for option 1 as well :)
[14:51] <oSoMoN> sounds like option 1 is the only reasonable one
[14:51] <didrocks> no*
[14:51] <oSoMoN> so not much choice
[14:51] <seb128> one option we didn't list (but I don't know how doable it is) is to to distro patch revert the feature drop in 3.28
[14:51] <didrocks> https://gitlab.gnome.org/csoriano/org.gnome.desktop-icons/issues/1
[14:51] <didrocks> FYI is what is mainly lacking ^
[14:51] <seb128> but my understanding is that they drop the code because it blocks some refactoring they want to do
[14:51] <jbicha> I think we should consider disabling desktop icons by default even though it makes sense to stay with nautilus 3.26 for 18.04
[14:52] <seb128> so probably not easy to revert
[14:52] <didrocks> seb128: basically, Nautilus will have a real backend at some point
[14:52] <didrocks> (unsure if it's for 3.28)
[14:52] <didrocks> from that point, reverting will be really hard
[14:52] <oSoMoN> is nautilus 3.26 going to work well with the rest of the stack being 3.28 ?
[14:52] <Trevinho> jbicha: mh, not sure... I'm not a lover of them, but still otherwise it's just an empty space to me.
[14:52] <didrocks> however, from the extension, we need to help shaping the backend API
[14:52] <Trevinho> and people is used to have them around
[14:52] <didrocks> which is why it's interesting to contribute ASAP
[14:53] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: normally apps aren't broken in such cases
[14:53] <jbicha> Trevinho: I'm not saying we need to disable desktop icons; I think we should think about it though :)
[14:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, yes, it's mostly an application
[14:53] <didrocks> if people are interested in more details about the topic: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158
[14:53] <Trevinho> also so far gnome 3.28 in terms of G-S/muttter changes isn't really a thing.. At least unless they won't merge the fractional branches! :-|
[14:54] <Trevinho> jbicha: yeah, sure... I just said my opinion :)
[14:54] <jbicha> also a useful link: > https://csorianognome.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/nautilus-desktop-plans/
[14:54] <didrocks> let's focus on 18.04 for now
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, I think it would be nice to help/work on that but that feels like post-LTS, or at least not before the features that are important for the LTS land
[14:54] <jibel> to reply to jbicha disabling desktop icons by default will be a problem for the live session which has the installer, examples and oem setup icons on the desktop
[14:54]  * Trevinho loves working with gnome's gitlab, btw :)
[14:54] <didrocks> I think keeping the desktop drawing icons make sense, we have a big transition already for LTS users (unity -> G-S)
[14:54] <didrocks> seb128: exactly my point (this is why I envision post FF)
[14:55] <jibel> if desktop icons are disabled these links should be moved to the launcher
[14:55] <seb128> let's see post FF what is most needed
[14:55] <didrocks> yep
[14:55] <didrocks> so, I guess +1 for staying on nautilus 3.26 for the LTS?
[14:55] <seb128> ubiquity is already in the launcher, examples might get removed from the desktop this cycle from what willcooke was saying
[14:55] <seb128> oem setup I don't know
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, seems we have concensus on that option yes
[14:56] <seb128> thanks for bringing the topic up :)
[14:56] <didrocks> yw ;)
[14:56] <willcooke_> cool
[14:56] <willcooke_> anyone got anything else?
[14:56] <jbicha> (I support the nautilus 3.26 choice this cycle too)
[14:56] <didrocks> I'll put a reference on the community hub
[14:56] <willcooke_> thanks didrocks
[14:57] <willcooke_> ok, if there is nothing else, I will end the meeting
[14:57] <jbicha> the other concerned Ubuntu flavors (Budgie & Unity) should prepare for nautilus 3.28/3.30 for 18.10 though
[14:58] <seb128> what do they need to prepare?
[14:58] <jbicha> maybe something like the nemo-desktop app hack will actually work good enough for them
[14:58] <seb128> ah, to have a desktop
[14:58] <didrocks> yep, no G-S extension for them
[14:58] <gQuigs> is there a plan for what to use all that wasted space where people expect a desktop?  I can't find it in the design docs..
[14:58] <jbicha> they need to know that we don't necessarily plan to stay on nautilus 3.26 for long
[14:58] <seb128> or just switch away from nautilus to nemo
[14:59] <didrocks> I'll probably blog about it anyway on planet ubuntu (not this week, but maybe next one)
[14:59] <didrocks> that way, they will get the memo and 6 months to prepare a plan :)
[14:59] <jbicha> gQuigs: the idea is you use all that space for your running apps and don't spend time looking at an empty desktop ;)
[15:00] <gQuigs> jbicha: right, but it loads by default to an empty desktop (right?), so everyone has to look at it...
[15:00] <seb128> typical GNOME wishful thinking wanting users to behave as they expect and not as they do :p
[15:00] <mdeslaur> who cares about users? ;)
[15:00] <jbicha> gQuigs: GNOME 3 has always disabled desktop icons by default (so that's nearly 7 years now)
[15:00] <seb128> exactly, especially those who don't use the computer the way we tell them!
[15:00] <gQuigs> jbicha: yup, I was just expecting something to eventually happen with that space... oh qwll
[15:00] <seb128> willcooke_, you should wrap :)
[15:00] <willcooke_> #endmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  9 15:00:55 2018 UTC.
[15:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-01-09-14.31.moin.txt
[15:00] <willcooke_> thanks seb128
[15:00] <gQuigs> I'll have my launchpad triage group target nautilus this week
[15:01] <seb128> thanks
[15:01] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:01] <jbicha> gQuigs: I mean GNOME could do like the iPhone and have the "desktop" be the same thing as the app launcher
[15:01] <seb128> at least that would be a rational for not letting files on there
[15:02] <gQuigs> +1
[15:02] <jbicha> they might even do that, but that would make it even more difficult for people who want to override the default to have desktop icons
[15:02] <seb128> I don't think it would make sense to override the default in that case
[15:02] <seb128> the desktop would become something else, deal with it
[15:02] <didrocks> and posted
[15:02] <seb128> it's just now that they force you into wasting the space
[15:02] <gQuigs> jbicha: no reason to override it, most people just wants link to click there.. they'd get it
[15:02] <seb128> which is stupid
[15:04] <gQuigs> heh, I'll go suggest it
[15:05] <jbicha> there was talk about reworking the Activites Overview to make it feel more integrated or something
[15:44] <gQuigs> that was what they originally did (I don't remember that), but it was more confusing apparently
[15:44] <gQuigs> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648456
[17:00] <willcooke_> andyrock, was it you working on the gnome disks patch to hide loop devices?
[17:01] <seb128> willcooke_, it was him it's up for review on https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/pull/460
[17:02] <seb128> andyrock, it's probably worth trying to give upstream a nudge about that review?
[17:02] <andyrock> yeah was checking that
[17:02] <andyrock> i'll ping them
[17:03] <seb128> thx
[17:03] <willcooke_> thx seb128 andyrock
[17:09] <willcooke_> andyrock, seb128 are you aware of something that could be done at a lower level, that would apply to the whole desktop?
[17:09] <seb128> you mean?
[17:09] <andyrock> where is the problem?
[17:10] <andyrock> like for nautilus we can ignore it
[17:10] <andyrock> the provided solution is already lower enough for most uses
[17:10] <willcooke_> KDE have the same issue, and they felt that patching it out app by app was a bit of a pain
[17:10] <willcooke_> wondering if you have any clever ideas
[17:11] <andyrock> yeah that's the idea behind that patch
[17:11] <andyrock> we use a userspace mount option
[17:11] <andyrock> x-gdu.hide
[17:11] <andyrock> kde can check for the same mount options
[17:11] <andyrock> now I know that here gdu stands for "gnome-disk-utilities"
[17:12] <andyrock> but that should not be an issue
[17:12] <andyrock> we can easily change the name of the mount options
[17:12] <andyrock> if this is needed at all
[17:12] <willcooke_> andyrock, so if that goes in, would it help KDE as well?
[17:12] <willcooke_> or *could* it?
[17:13] <andyrock> they still need to patch the apps to check if a device was mounted with that option
[17:13] <andyrock> but at least is generic
[17:14] <andyrock> oooor we could also mount the snaps with the udiks ignore
[17:14] <willcooke_> thanks andyrock
[17:14] <andyrock> the problem was that gnome-disk-utilies does not (and does not want) to take that flag into considerations
[17:15] <andyrock> but I guess they already are considering that nautilus does not show them
[17:16] <andyrock> willcooke_: ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}
[17:16] <andyrock> check this
[17:16] <andyrock> I guess snaps are not using this
[17:17] <andyrock> also because I remember I wrote some rules to add this
[18:28] <willcooke_> what's the comand to show why a package is installed?
[18:28] <willcooke_> *command
[18:30]  * willcooke_ checks rdepends
[19:28] <willcooke_> night all
[20:21] <oSoMoN> night
[23:52] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, hi


[09:03] <Agafonov> hi! is nsset still working? ;)
[09:19] <apollo13> Agafonov: on ubuntu 8.04 probably, I suggest using nsupdate
[09:21] <Agafonov> apollo13: it said NOERROR but noris servers are not updated
[09:23] <apollo13> hmk
[09:23] <apollo13> lemme check
[09:23] <Agafonov> thanks!
[09:34] <apollo13> Agafonov: okay, tell me what you want to do and I show you what to do
[09:34] <apollo13> or what you tried
[09:35] <Agafonov> I'm trying to update A record
[09:35] <apollo13> updating noris takes some minutes, have to check with matthias if it really happened, so what's the subdomain you are trying to add?
[09:35] <Agafonov> ./nsset -z ubuntu.ru -u kuban.ubuntu.ru
[09:35] <Agafonov> A <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:35] <Agafonov> ^D
[09:35] <Agafonov> NOERROR
[09:36] <apollo13> ok eshu updated it, when did you do that?
[09:37] <Agafonov> 35 minutes ago
[09:38] <Agafonov> it was much faster last time I did the same
[09:39] <apollo13> Agafonov: will get back to you as soon as I know more, try to stay here ;)


[10:44] <EvgeniiZh> Hi! What are the chances AsanNightly will be packaged along with regular nightly? I'd really love to use it, by prefer to have it installed as a package rather than manually for tar.bz2