[02:56] <mwhudson_> wgrant: could you devirt and all-arch-enable https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go15-rc-tests pls?
[03:09] <blr> wgrant: could you have a look at the MP, I'm not sure I suceeded in reducing code (required the addition of a jinja2 test, but the configuration is more straight forward as a result.
[04:41] <wgrant> blr: Oh, I would have just done the processing in Python, but that works too.
[04:47] <wgrant> blr: The template also means the dict has to have number, startup and idle members, and doesn't support concurrency or queue-size.
[04:48] <wgrant> Doing it Python would give you more flexibility to just flatten whatever keys are in the children dict.
[04:48] <blr> wgrant: hmm true.
[05:17] <lifeless> since its webby, you could use handlebars / pybars :)
[05:45] <wgrant> blr: Could you please review the auth_list branch?
[05:46] <blr> wgrant: ah did you resolve the issue you mentioned earlier?
[05:48] <wgrant> blr: Oh, no, didn't you see the carpet over it?
[05:49] <wgrant> It's not fixable in an attractive and backward compatible way, and it isn't a problem for either of our current use cases.
[05:49] <wgrant> auth_list needs to replaced with more generic acls and http_access options.
[05:52] <wgrant> But this branch doesn't make deprecating auth_list any harder when that eventually becomes necessary, so I think we should proceed with it.
[06:03] <wgrant> blr: Thanks.
[06:05] <blr> wgrant: have another interview tomorrow, but hopefully shouldn't run into our LP meeting.
[06:07] <wgrant> blr: Sure, let me know.
[19:53] <blr> morning


[01:12] <edubuntu> sup buntus?
[01:55] <doctormo> highvoltage: How's the info for the background going?
[02:12] <highvoltage> doctormo: I didn't get any feedback on the list, so I'm going to put together what I think will be great and people will have to be happy with what they get :)
[02:14] <doctormo> highvoltage: We'll so a 5,1,3 pattern if that's ok with you? 5 concepts, 1 selection, 3 consultations and updates.
[02:55] <highvoltage> doctormo: sounds good
[02:56] <doctormo> highvoltage: Ah, yes, forgot what I said for a second
[03:09] <highvoltage> doctormo: that's a long second :)
[03:09] <highvoltage> (oops, I misread there for a bit)
[03:12] <doctormo> highvoltage: Fun fun, I saw a wallpaper and da and thought of you today,
[03:12] <doctormo> let me dig it up
[03:16] <doctormo> highvoltage: http://fav.me/d398q54
[03:17] <doctormo> But I also just saw this one, you have to check it out: http://fav.me/d398ufo
[03:17] <highvoltage> heh
[03:18] <highvoltage> you get narwhals with... tusks!?
[03:26] <doctormo> highvoltage: You don't, that's creative license.
[03:28] <highvoltage> heh, yes
[13:23] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:41] <mhall119> morning
[16:04] <Dunc_> having problems logging on w/ my ltsp clients...  anyone willing to listen?
[16:06] <Dunc_> pam validates user, subsystem request sftp, receives disconnect from client
[16:06] <Dunc_> ltsp standalone running on Ubuntu 10.10
[18:04] <doctormo> highvoltage: Ello
[19:55] <highvoltage> doctormo: heya
[19:55] <highvoltage> doctormo: busy putting together email for you now...
[19:56] <doctormo> thanks
[19:57] <highvoltage> doctormo: I didn't get any feedback, seems like people don't care about wallpapers until release :)
[19:57] <highvoltage> doctormo: sending you wants/don't-wants/mood stuff, don't have much in terms of definition and concept yet though
[20:11] <doctormo> highvoltage: You'll get your 5 concepts, your team must pick one from there and then we'll work on it more from there. 3 times to get it right.
[20:12] <doctormo> highvoltage: Although you've got a double negative in your requirements, I should clarify that line
[20:13] <doctormo> You say "Do not want something not /too/ cartoonish", but this means you want something cartoonish.
[20:14] <doctormo> highvoltage: See http://fav.me/d39apk5 for fun, please feedback me.
[20:17] <highvoltage> doctormo: I guess that's not too much so, you can drop that requirement if you want
[20:17] <doctormo> highvoltage: No, you misunderstand, I just need you to clarify what you said.
[20:18] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, you pasted me your debian squeeze wallpaper, which is really great and would be perfect... if it wasn't squeeze themed and had a debian logo :)
[20:39] <doctormo> highvoltage: You still here?
[20:40] <doctormo> Keep in mind that this is very raw concept stage, look at this http://imagebin.org/137416
[20:40] <doctormo> It's based on the debian squeeze one, but with the edubuntu logo.
[20:41] <doctormo> I'm still coming up with a way to do the person, and who/what the person should be.
[20:46] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, great. we'd like to avoid having logos on the wallpaper (sorry that's an obvious one I should've mentioned to you before), but yes, it can work. I know you like manga-style drawings but I think that might be what we'd consider "too cartoonish" if you know what I mean
[20:47] <highvoltage> doctormo: do you think you could make a daytime version work?
[20:47] <highvoltage> hmm, I guess that would mean losing the nice colours
[20:47] <doctormo> highvoltage: OK I'm scrapping the concept.
[20:47] <doctormo> Because everything about it is wrong ;-)
[20:48] <doctormo> Although requirements are so important that you need to really list everything, even obvious things.
[20:50] <doctormo> highvoltage: So I need to do a little bit of training with you so you know how to make requirements.
[20:50] <highvoltage> sorry, I mentioned it so many times before to jbaer before, we had it on the previous spec, I should've copied and pasted more from there
[20:50] <doctormo> I need to understand the mood of the piece you want. So far you've not really gone into the emotion much.
[20:50] <doctormo> Your document has grouped my three things into one and then split into two bullets.
[20:51] <doctormo> I really need an answer per question
[20:51] <doctormo> I think I can decypher what info should go in what box, but it's important to be more direct.
[20:52] <highvoltage> doctormo: The thing you need to understand is that we don't have all those answers. For the missing parts we need an artist, someone like you. If I could show you a picture of what we want, then we wouldn't need you in the first place now would we?
[20:52] <doctormo> highvoltage: Obviously, but if you ask an artist to do the specification, you must be happy with whatever he comes up with.
[20:53] <doctormo> Anyway, I'll continue to hack away at the remaining 4 concepts and present them to you at the end of next week.
[20:53] <doctormo> Hopefully we can move from there.
[20:54] <highvoltage> doctormo: indeed, although right at the beginning I did explicitely tell you that we have some basic requirements and the rest are basically left to artistic license
[20:54] <highvoltage> doctormo: yes, I hope so too :)
[20:54] <doctormo> yea, I admit I've been trying to push you towards nailing it down, because I fear rejection of hard work at the end.
[20:54] <doctormo> But i'll trust you on this one.
[20:57] <highvoltage> doctormo: yes, I understand that
[20:59] <highvoltage> doctormo: in concept, I actually like the girl sitting on the hill, I didn't reject that, but I think that could be a good wallpaper if she was less manga-ey, and perhaps sitting under a tree or something. I'm not sure how much off a concept is allowed to change before you consider it rejected
[20:59] <highvoltage> in the end we just need one good wallpaper, so one good concept that can be seen through to the end would even be enough imho. but then again I trust you to know best


[05:39] <majid> hey frineds
[05:39] <majid> i have some problam with installing some future
[05:39] <majid> feature
[05:39] <majid> is there any body to help me?
[05:40] <majid> im trying to play some videos
[05:40] <majid> but at first i have to install some thing
[05:41] <majid> but there is an error about third arty
[05:41] <majid> party
[05:41] <majid> it says
[05:42] <majid> check if you are using third party repositoreis.
[05:42] <majid> if so disable them
[05:42] <majid> how can i do that?
[08:53] <mahdi> hi
[09:17] <MrNull> kasi hast?
[09:54] <iraj> MrNull: soaleto bepors


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[01:00] <antony__> mcphail that copy and paste bug should be fixed
[04:24] <kivi> hey all
[04:25] <kivi> anyone know how in qml I can store an id for a component?
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <HitAngry> hi
[08:18] <HitAngry> i need some help for ubuntu sdk
[08:18] <HitAngry> i have a bug
[08:33] <HitAngry> why the "publish" button of ubuntu sdk is off ?
[09:48] <mcphail> antony__: unfortunately, I'm still getting the "copy" dialog appearing on long presses of the D-pad
[10:59] <zbenjamin> popey: weren't there some rumors about that the components of the terminal app can be reused?
[11:16] <popey> zbenjamin: we had planned to do that, yes. but nobody has had the time to rip the app apart and make a reusable component
[11:16] <zbenjamin> popey: :(
[11:16] <zbenjamin> popey: ok thanks
[11:26] <ogra_> zbenjamin, ah, sad, i was hoping you knew more than me :)
[11:26] <zbenjamin> ogra_: me too :/
[12:31] <davidcalle> dholbach, around?
[12:31] <dholbach> davidcalle, yep
[12:31] <davidcalle> Hey :)
[12:31] <dholbach> how are things?
[12:34] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've been having some issues with my credentials to deploy to staging. Luckily, it's been sorted out by IS late last night. Now I need to figure out how to deploy latest trunk. Apparently, it can be done by doing a merge on the mojo project (that changes the trunk revno used), but I'm looking for an easier solution.
[12:34] <dholbach> so for a deployment we need to propose a merge to another branch with a certain revno?
[12:36] <davidcalle> dholbach, apparently, yes. But I'm asking caio for an easier path that could be done directly on the server. Note that re-deployment of the revno already on the server works perfectly (and takes about 30min).
[12:36] <davidcalle> The goat is fine.
[12:36] <davidcalle> And Juju is as cool as advertised :)
[12:37] <dholbach> haha
[12:37] <dholbach> I think that's also how we did things for  the LTP
[12:37] <dholbach> have trunk and have a production branch
[12:37] <davidcalle> LTP?
[12:37] <davidcalle> dpm, dholbach, btw, url dispatcher tutorial is now live, will blog it in a moment
[12:37] <dholbach> loco team portal
[12:38] <davidcalle> Oh right
[12:38] <dholbach> nice!
[12:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/ReleaseProcess
[12:41] <dpm> davidcalle, excellent!
[12:42] <dpm> davidcalle, do we have a public URL for staging?
[12:42] <davidcalle> dpm, developer.staging.ubuntu.com
[12:44] <davidcalle> dpm, it's an empty devportal instance, though. /webapp-generator is here, this is the way I assess the deployment worked :)
[12:45] <dpm> davidcalle, with the mojo spec, do we have a way to populate it with data? (I'm asking just out of curiosity)
[12:46] <mcphail> Would anyone be kind enough to point me towards a comprehensive document on Content Hub? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/content-hub-guide/ is a bit thin
[12:47] <davidcalle> dpm, probably, we would need a data dump of the django in prod, and load it there. Not sure how to actually do that in the Juju world, will ask.
[12:57] <davidcalle> mcphail, there is a tutorial in progress, with an eta of next monday.
[12:58] <davidcalle> mcphail, I know that this app (https://github.com/turanmahmudov/Wallpaper ) has nice code around with very clean QML
[12:58] <davidcalle> around it*
[12:58] <davidcalle> (note that it only exports, not imports)
[13:02] <mcphail> davidcalle: cheers!
[13:03] <mcphail> davidcalle: is it possible to be an exported/imported without resorting th Qt/QML? I'm keen to do this from a shell script with minimal interaction
[13:08] <davidcalle> mcphail, just use cp and mv ;-) More seriously, I don't think it has shell commands.
[13:09] <mcphail> davidcalle: I'm looking to create a GUI helper app for my syncthing background client. I can't create a GUI for the client itself as that will break the way I am hacking the lifecycle management so it won't run in the background :)
[13:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey! so, let's imagine I have an image file in my app that I preview. I want when the user clicks on it to open it in the default application, passing the image as payload
[13:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: I guess as there is some image sharing, it's still contenthub, but it's more "pushing this and going to that application"
[13:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:19] <didrocks> I wonder if we have anything for this, and if so, what is a great example?
[13:19] <kenvandine> that's an export
[13:19] <kenvandine> like "open with"
[13:19] <didrocks> ok, it's only exporting?
[13:19] <kenvandine> my hub-exporter example does that
[13:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:20] <tshirtman> \o/ didrocks
[13:20] <didrocks> salut tshirtman ;)
[13:20] <didrocks> kenvandine: I guess you saw my bug reports on content-hub, do you have anytime to discuss them over hangouts today or tomorrow?
[13:20] <didrocks> (I'll be at debconf then)
[13:21] <didrocks> kenvandine: if not, let's plan later, I have enough to play and open new bugs thanks to your exporter branch ;)
[13:21] <kenvandine> didrocks, i saw it, there are plans in place already :)
[13:21] <didrocks> great, I would love to discuss them with you
[13:21] <kenvandine> tvoss and i have been discussing a real ContentStore API
[13:21] <kenvandine> nothing concrete yet, and no work planned
[13:21] <tshirtman> didrocks: i finally installed touch on my nexus 4, building stuff on it, currently sdl2 stuff for kivy, seems doing a kivy bootsrap shouldn't be too hard :)
[13:21] <didrocks> ah nice, that's really the missing point I guess
[13:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:22] <didrocks> kenvandine: do you think there is any way to test the exporter branch on desktop?
[13:22] <didrocks> I guess it's using upstart-app-launch, so "no" :p
[13:22] <didrocks> tshirtman: nice!
[13:22] <kenvandine> didrocks, it's tricky :)
[13:23] <didrocks> kenvandine: I'm happy to trick it :p
[13:23] <didrocks> (as for the importer, which was painless… hem ;))
[13:23] <kenvandine> didrocks, it's the same way we did for importer
[13:23] <didrocks> there is an auto consumer?
[13:23] <kenvandine> yes
[13:24] <didrocks> same package, just need to run the hook I guess?
[13:24] <kenvandine> yup
[13:24] <kenvandine> content-hub-test-importer
[13:24] <kenvandine> is the consumer for exports
[13:24] <didrocks> I just need to add the gsettings key, and the importer should be triggered?
[13:24] <kenvandine> yes
[13:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: mind giving me the gsettings key? the hook really didn't register anything here
[13:26] <kenvandine> com.ubuntu.content.hub.source pictures ['content-hub-test-exporter']
[13:26]  * didrocks gsettings set and try
[13:26] <kenvandine> whoops
[13:26] <kenvandine> wait
[13:26] <didrocks> not .source I guess?
[13:26] <kenvandine> com.ubuntu.content.hub.destination pictures ['content-hub-test-importer']
[13:26] <didrocks> destination?
[13:26] <didrocks> \o/
[13:28] <didrocks> kenvandine: ok, so I guess after selection the peer, I don't really see anything (as there is no UI in the test importer), it just goes back to the app, right?
[13:28] <didrocks> with state as 4
[13:28] <kenvandine> yup
[13:28] <kenvandine> that's what you want
[13:28] <kenvandine> if there was a UI, it would stay
[13:28] <kenvandine> until you switch back
[13:29] <didrocks> kenvandine: so, I'm happy to say that was way smoother than the other day, implementing it in my app now, thanks! :)
[13:29] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, making sense
[13:29] <kenvandine> great
[13:50] <mcphail> davidcalle: are you involved with the content-hub documentation? If so, could you mkae a couple of tweaks on the API page as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bug/1484124 ?
[13:51] <seb128> around the same topic, bug #1483546 would be nice to fix
[13:52] <davidcalle> mcphail, not involved on the API docs level, but I can ping the right person for this bug
[13:52] <seb128> I didn't look at it but maybe it's an easy one
[13:52] <mcphail> davidcalle: cheers!
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, davidcalle, ^ unsure what/how much changes, but the example snippet should probably work
[13:52] <seb128> the bug has no details on what doesn't work though
[13:53] <seb128> so unsure if it's an easy one or not
[13:53] <seb128> I've on my todo to try and play with that, but unsure when I'm going to have cycle for it
[13:53] <seb128> so maybe somebody else who knows the component can fix in some minutes ;-)
[13:54] <kenvandine> the example should work for sure
[13:54] <seb128> I'm going to try in a bit and tell you if it works for me
[13:54] <kenvandine> it looks like it should work
[13:54] <kenvandine> but it isn't a standalone app
[13:55] <seb128> so maybe that's creating confusion?
[13:55] <kenvandine> it should work if it was referenced by an app with it's own MainView, etc
[13:55] <kenvandine> perhaps
[13:55] <kenvandine> it's a code snippet that should be suitable to be used in an app
[13:55] <seb128> k
[13:55] <kenvandine> perhaps there is something else broken in it
[13:55] <kenvandine> but at first glance it looks fine
[14:02] <didrocks> sorry, I was tired after opening all the bugs, I should precise "on the desktop"
[14:03] <seb128> didrocks, is that specific to desktop?
[14:03] <didrocks> yep
[14:04] <seb128> what's different there?
[14:04]  * didrocks rephrase
[14:04] <didrocks> the example attempts to import from the default source
[14:04] <didrocks> which is gallery-app
[14:04] <didrocks> which doesn't have the necessary hook in the desktop if I understood ken correctly
[14:05] <didrocks> bug report rephrased
[14:05] <seb128> thanks
[14:05] <didrocks> yw
[14:06] <seb128> it's a bit less concerning that things not working at all ;-)
[14:06] <didrocks> yep, but keep in mind that's what most of developers will try
[14:06] <didrocks> however, it's importing Ubuntu.components 0.1 IIRC
[14:06] <seb128> no, 1.1
[14:06] <seb128> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.index/ has 1.1 at least
[14:07] <didrocks> some other parts have 0.1, one sec
[14:07] <didrocks> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.ContentHub/
[14:08] <seb128> yeah, seems like quite of the code is still doing that
[14:08] <seb128> is that an issue?
[14:09] <didrocks> unsure, didn't try as doesn't work on desktop
[14:09] <seb128> we are not keeping up with new import versions in most our components
[14:12] <antony__> mcphail that copy/paste issue should be gone now.
[14:14] <mcphail> antony__: great - will test and report back
[14:15] <mcphail> antony__: the "updates" page is doing an endless spinny thing
[14:17] <kwk_> h1
[14:34] <antony__> Did it update yet?
[14:36] <popey> antony__: 0.98 is latest in the store as far as I can see
[14:37] <mcphail> antony__: no - the version from this morning was the last one. It still has the copy bug
[14:51] <kenvandine> rpadovani, hey... bacon2d with the InfiniteScrollEntity is now in wily and the stable overlay ppa for vivid
[14:52] <kenvandine> rpadovani, sorry it took so long, had qmake issues
[14:53] <antony__> Thats odd, still says further changes awaiting review for the fix i uploaded. Normally its approved in seconds
[14:54] <popey> oh? let me see
[14:54] <popey> antony__: says 0.99 updated 4 mins ago
[14:55] <popey> now i see 0.99 latest
[14:56] <antony__> Stills says .98 as latest approved
[14:57] <antony__> status: review in progress
[14:59] <popey> passed
[15:01] <mcphail> antony__: the Updates page is not working for me this afternoon. I'll test whenever it stops spinning
[15:01] <antony__> k
[15:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: after receiving "Collected", should I get "Finalized" on the phone? (I don't really know if I don't receive it because content-hub is crashing in import/export on that state due to invalid APP_ID)
[15:37] <kenvandine> no, you would have to choose to finalize
[15:37] <kenvandine> it isn't required
[15:37] <didrocks> ok, so "Collected" can be the final state, got it
[15:37] <kenvandine> finalized means you are done with the cached content and it'll get removed
[15:37] <didrocks> ah
[15:37] <didrocks> so it's when you import
[15:37] <kenvandine> if you don't do it, the hub will clean it up when it exits
[15:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:37] <didrocks> ok
[15:37] <didrocks> well, if you can use the cache content and not have to use the app store (see one of my bug)
[15:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: still unsure about the difference between share and export
[15:38] <kenvandine> it won't persist across reboots, but would be fine for a bit
[15:38] <didrocks> sounds good
[15:38] <kenvandine> export and share are technically identical
[15:38] <kenvandine> but
[15:38] <kenvandine> we need to differentiate it for the user experience
[15:38] <didrocks> (so same transfer state, copying…)
[15:39] <kenvandine> the app should choose handlers that "share" when the user wants to share it as opposed to opening it
[15:39] <kenvandine> like posting to facebook
[15:39] <kenvandine> attaching to gmail
[15:39] <didrocks> ok, so it's only to register 2 handlers
[15:39] <kenvandine> etc
[15:39] <kenvandine> right
[15:39] <didrocks> making sense now then :)
[15:39] <kenvandine> so your app might be able to import content, but it doesn't share it externally
[15:39] <kenvandine> so the user journey is different
[15:39] <kenvandine> cool
[15:39] <didrocks> yeah, I was just wondering about the technical difference
[15:39] <didrocks> I got the intent difference ;)
[15:40] <didrocks> but as there are known and it's just to get another handler, I'm fine with that explanation :)
[15:42] <karni> do push notifications work in the emulator? (i.e. can one implement and test push feature without a device?)
[19:00] <mcphail> ahayzen: having a look at the QUrl docs, do you think we need to pass the QUrl::DecodeReserved flag in the .toString call in AalMediaPlayerControl::unescape?
[19:03] <ahayzen> mcphail, i've gtg, i'll have look later when i'm back :-)
[19:05] <mcphail> ok!
[19:07] <mcphail> jhodapp|gym: ping me when you are jhodapp|backfromgym
[19:12] <josharenson> Working a bug and have a question, let me know if there is a better place. How can I trigger a trusted prompt? I have an old app that I wrote that clears the trust store and asks for GPS location, but its not prompting
[19:15] <josharenson> humm, looks like the clock app still asks.. maybe ill just modify that
[19:30] <thecosmicfrog> Hi guys. Has anyone managed to get Ubuntu SDK running on Mac yet? It's all I have for the next few months, unfortunately.
[19:34] <jhodapp> mcphail, so I would recommend just experimenting with it until you get it to work...take a look at all of the options available for QUrl
[19:34] <jhodapp> mcphail, and then make sure that you can build the qtubuntu-media package so that the tests are run
[19:34] <mcphail> jhodapp: I need to build on the phone?
[19:35] <jhodapp> yeah
[19:35] <jhodapp> mcphail, apt-get build-dep qtubuntu-media
[19:35] <jhodapp> mcphail, you don't have to, but it's easiest imo
[19:35] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: humm QtCreator should work on mac
[19:35] <mcphail> jhodapp: then just standard debian build after that?
[19:35] <jhodapp> mcphail, yeah, debuild
[19:36] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: that isn't too much help, especially if you don't have a physical device though
[19:36] <jhodapp> mcphail, I would do a make; make install but you said this needs to be a stable phone, so I'd recommend using package installation
[19:36] <mcphail> jhodapp: ok - I'll try in an armhf chroot first but will  build on the phone if I can't get it to work
[19:36] <thecosmicfrog> josharenson: Yeah, I was thinking the issue would be more with the applets that connect to the phone, allow deployment, etc. I have a BQ phone so that's not the issue. Just no Ubuntu development system :(
[19:37] <jhodapp> mcphail, sounds good
[19:38] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: my personal development flow is: write app in vim w/ qt/qml bindings, cross-build an armhf deb, and install the deb on the device
[19:38] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: oh duh, you can't cross build if you don't have ubuntu huh
[19:39] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: sorry
[19:39] <thecosmicfrog> :(
[19:39] <thecosmicfrog> Haha
[19:39] <josharenson> thecosmicfrog: could still build on the device, but that whole process is clucky and not ideal...
[19:40] <mcphail> jhodapp: If i build on the phone, is it sensible to do an apt-get update && dist-upgrade first?
[19:40] <jhodapp> mcphail, not an upgrade
[19:41] <jhodapp> but it's sensible to have the latest package list
[19:41] <mcphail> ok
[19:43] <antony> popey on?
[19:45] <davmor2> thecosmicfrog: run ubuntu in a vm is the best advice I can give sorry
[19:46] <thecosmicfrog> davmor2: Yeah, currently installing Ubuntu MATE. To hell with attempting to run Unity in VirtualBox :D
[19:47] <thecosmicfrog> (Plus, I've been meaning to give MATE a spin. popey and wimpy's propoganda is rubbing off on me.)
[19:48] <antony> I use unity in a vm for app development
[19:56] <mcphail> jhodapp: looks as if I can't build this on vivid...
[19:57] <mcphail> jhodapp: do you know how I can install the overlay ppa in a chroot? That might help
[19:57] <cwayne> not with that attitude you cant
[20:05] <jhodapp> mcphail, I don't, you might ask in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[20:06] <mcphail> jhodapp: I've given up on the chroot. I'll break my phone instead :)
[20:06] <jhodapp> mcphail, you can also do a chroot on the phone
[20:07] <mcphail> jhodapp: no - I'll just reflash
[20:07] <jhodapp> mcphail, this is what I do: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot
[20:13] <mcphail> looks as if I need to build this on wily
[20:14] <mcphail> what would be a good wily channel for krillin?
[20:18] <antony> Anyone been able to disable the context menu in html5 apps?
[21:54] <jhodapp> mcphail, you should build that on vivid
[21:54] <jhodapp> mcphail, wily is out of commission for a bit while the gcc5 issues are resolved
[21:56] <mcphail> jhodapp: I can't get it to build on vivid due to dependency error. Currently have a broken wily phone :)
[21:58] <jhodapp> mcphail, you ran apt-get build-dep qtubuntu-media right?
[21:58] <jhodapp> you should have everything you need then
[21:58] <mcphail> jhodapp: yes, but one package (can't remember which) was too old.
[21:59] <jhodapp> mcphail, how is that possible?
[22:00] <jhodapp> mcphail, can you show me the error?
[22:00] <mcphail> jhodapp: check out the debian control file. libqtubuntu-media-signals-dev (>= 0.3+15.10.20150618.1-0ubuntu1)
[22:00] <mcphail> jhodapp: don't have that in vivid+overlay
[22:01] <jhodapp> mcphail, you're not on vivid then
[22:01] <jhodapp> mcphail, what channel did you use for vivid on krillin?
[22:01] <mcphail> jhodapp: it was just the standard OTA channel, whatever that was
[22:02] <jhodapp> mcphail, yeah I'd go back to vivid, and then we can get whatever was wrong figured out
[22:02] <jhodapp> mcphail, use this channel: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[22:05] <mcphail> jhodapp: just need to work out how to flash without a bootable phone
[22:06] <jhodapp> mcphail, with or without wiping?
[22:07] <mcphail> jhodapp: preferably without
[22:08] <mcphail> jhodapp: thought you could use adb from recovery
[22:08] <jhodapp> for that you need to get a recovery image that has adb enabled
[22:08] <jhodapp> not anymore for security reasons
[22:09] <mcphail> jhodapp: so I should try fastboot instead?
[22:10] <mcphail> jhodapp: (or can I use fastboot to flash an adb-enabled recovery?)
[22:10] <jhodapp> yes indeed, just need to find the link to that special recovery image
[22:11] <jhodapp> mcphail, so you'd do something like: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image=/path/recovery.img
[22:11] <jhodapp> I may have that last option wrong, check the --help on that
[22:11] <jhodapp> mcphail, if you can't find that recovery image via google, ogra_ will know where it's at
[22:13] <mcphail> jhodapp: think i've got it
[22:13] <jhodapp> awesome
[22:13] <jhodapp> mcphail, I've got to run for now, dinner time
[22:13] <jhodapp> good luck
[22:14] <mcphail> cheers. I'll get back to you tomorrow with my progress :)


[09:30] <Java_the_Hutt>  gnokii: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[09:30] <Java_the_Hutt>  gnokii: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[09:31] <Java_the_Hutt> Hello i am trying to install "gnokii" but it complains that it says :" gnokii: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable" in mu system libglib2.0 installed, what can i do ?
[09:32] <stupendo44> question: how can I capture sound that is being played?
[09:33] <Java_the_Hutt> Hello i am trying to install "gnokii" but it complains that it says :" gnokii: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable" in mu system libglib2.0 installed, what can i do ?
[09:33] <stupendo44> Java_the_Hutt: you can try to override the depends, or get another version
[09:34] <Java_the_Hutt> stupendo44: should i ?
[09:34] <stupendo44> is gnokii in the repo?
[09:35] <Java_the_Hutt> stupendo44: yes
[09:35] <stupendo44> hmm
[09:35] <stupendo44> then maybe not
[09:35] <stupendo44> Java_the_Hutt: I've seen that before, but I'm not sure what the solution is
[09:35] <Java_the_Hutt> i see
[09:36] <modified> I have a 40gig fat32 hd that is mounted, but I need it mounted to where I can write to it
[09:36] <modified> I've tried everything in the /etc/fstab
[09:36] <modified> but nothing works
[09:36] <modified> I have it mounting to /home/modified/storage
[09:36] <modified> and for some reason it won't take on the default settings of /home/modified
[09:37] <kay> modified: You need to say that when mounting
[09:38] <kay> modified: In fstab, do you have a line for the mount? Does it include option ro or something possibly?
[09:38] <modified> /dev/hdb1 /home/modified/storage vfat rw,user,auto 0 0
[09:38] <modified> thats what I have now
[09:38] <kay> looks ok
[09:38] <modified> i've tried it a couple of other ways, but nothing works to where I can write to it
[09:39] <modified> in gentoo it was working just fine with that line
[09:39] <kay> That's strange, did you unmount it?
[09:39] <modified> yep
[09:39] <modified> I even restarted
[09:39] <kay> Hm... what is the permissions of a file in there?
[09:39] <kay> And who is the owner of the dir if you you at it with ls -ld
[09:40] <modified> the files should take the permissions of the storage file
[09:40] <kay> You can specify a permission mask at mount time
[09:40] <kay> And owner of the thing
[09:40] <modified> what would I add to the line?
[09:40] <kay> Please do that ls -ld /home/modified/storage
[09:40] <kay> Lets check first the bases :)
[09:41] <modified> i will, but i'm sure its fine
[09:41] <kay> Let me be sure, because something is wrong :p
[09:41] <modified> hmmm
[09:41] <modified> somethign is messed up
[09:41] <modified> root root
[09:41] <kay> That is not a user mount then
[09:41] <modified> i made that file logged in as modified
[09:42] <kay> Ah, you have auto
[09:42] <kay> And that made things mounted by root
[09:42] <modified> it didn't in gentoo
[09:42] <modified> what line should I try
[09:42] <kay> And then it is his and he doesn't allow mortals to change it
[09:42] <kay> I have to check man mount or you can :p
[09:42] <modified> I'm trying kubuntu for my GF,but I'm thinking of heading back towards gentoo, easier for me to handle
[09:43] <modified> I don't like this whole not having a root account thing
[09:43] <kay> Look at uid=modified
[09:43] <kay> And gid=users maybe
[09:44] <kakei> who can help me chaging the colors of the 1,2,3,4 (DESKTOPS) http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1473/kakei0vx.jpg
[09:44] <modified> what should the "rw,user,auto" line look like
[09:44] <kay> modified: It is easy to get a root though
[09:44] <kay> sudo passwd
[09:44] <kay> You just give root a password and be in
[09:45] <kay> Or in the alternative, you login as root from your user as sudo -i
[09:45] <modified> oh wow
[09:45] <modified> I just did that
[09:45] <modified> thanx
[09:45] <modified> just like the livecds
[09:45] <kay> What's with those CDs?
[09:46] <modified> in the gentoo livecd you don't know the root password, but you can sudo passwd it
[09:46] <modified> so then you can mount hd ont he computer
[09:46] <kay> Ah i see.... last I tried gentoo, this was not like it :)
[09:50] <modified> i guess you don't get what I'm saying
[09:50] <modified> nm
[09:51] <modified> anyways, what should I have in the /etc/fstab
[09:52] <kay> append uid=modified,gid=users to the options
[09:52] <modified> leave the "rw,user,auto" part?
[09:52] <kay> sure, although auto and user are quite a contradicition
[09:52] <kay> auto means mount at boot always
[09:53] <kay> and user would allow you to mount (and then own) it
[09:53] <modified> I had it set up to always mount at boot and where I own it before
[09:53] <modified> thats what is confusing me
[09:54] <kay> how would it know?
[09:54] <modified> [modified]  thats what is confusing me
[09:54] <modified> confusing
[09:54] <kay> i have to run
[09:55] <kay> bye :)
[09:56] <apollo2011> I just started amaroK up for the next time and hooked up my iPod and hit Connect and it crashed.  Now I can't start amaroK anymore.  it crashes.
[09:56] <apollo2011> I get this error:
[09:57] <apollo2011> $ amarok
[09:57] <apollo2011> amaroK: [Loader]  Starting amarokapp..
[09:57] <apollo2011> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[09:57] <apollo2011> QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow
[09:57] <apollo2011> QGArray::at: Absolute index -1 out of range
[09:57] <apollo2011> amaroK: [Loader]  amarokapp probably crashed!
[09:57] <ex`> Tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure amarok?
[09:57] <apollo2011> no
[09:57] <apollo2011> just tried completely uninstalling and reinstalling it thats all
[09:57] <kay> ex`: Will tha clean the user config ?
[09:57] <kay> apollo2011: Did you provide --purge ?
[09:58] <ex`> kay: Not sure exactly, I don't think so. A dpkg --purge would work better, probably
[09:58] <apollo2011> I did it in Synaptic but its the equivalent of doing that
[09:58] <ex`> Synaptic only does an apt-get remove <packagename> afaik
[09:58] <kay> apollo2011: You more or less have to find amarokrc and remove it
[09:59] <kay> ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[09:59] <Java_the_Hutt> anyone e xperince with GPRS / EDGE ?
[09:59] <kay> That kind of thing will most always cure that kind of problems in KDE programs
[09:59] <Knowerrors> Im trying to fix the java plugin link for Firefox, should it be linked to /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/ns4, ns610, or ns610-gcc32 folder?
[10:00] <apollo2011> kay: ok, I was looking for any config in my ~/ but I couldn't find any.  I thought maybe it was in .de
[10:05] <apollo2011> amarok is still not working
[10:09] <claydoh> try deleting/renaming ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[10:10] <_christopher> Hello, I have just installed kubuntu. I am trying to change some settings. I do not think the installation asked for my root/administrator password. How can I fix this?
[10:10] <sampan> ubotu tell _christopher about root
[10:10] <darkheart> Hello, which package would the X headers be in?
[10:11] <nalioth_zZz> !xincludes
[10:11] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:11] <claydoh> !root
[10:11] <ubotu> root is probably by default root has no password.  The reason is, the maintainers want you to use sudo for all your root access. see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo  If you wish, you can set a root password
[10:12] <darkheart> Thanks nalioth
[10:14] <Knowerrors> nalioth: got any ideas to solve INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? on firefox startup
[10:14] <_christopher> ubotu, I enter my password and it is accepted but I cannot change any settings
[10:14] <ubotu> _christopher: I think you lost me on that one
[10:15] <nalioth> Knowerrors: factory?
[10:16] <_christopher> ubotu, examle, I try to change the date and time. I start system settings, click on 'date and time',  click 'adminsistrator mode', enter my password. My password is accepted but, all the settings are grayed out
[10:16] <ubotu> _christopher: what are you talking about?
[10:17] <_christopher> I cannot change any settings!!
[10:17] <Knowerrors> _christopher: I had this problem yesterday
[10:17] <_christopher> how did you fix it?
[10:18] <Knowerrors> _christopher: updated kde, and also kubuntu-desktop-settings
[10:18] <darkheart> Where would KDE headers be stored? Program I'm trying to configure is complaining the target folder doesn't have KDE headers.
[10:18] <Knowerrors> do you know how to do that _christopher , or should I explain more?
[10:18] <nalioth> darkheart: install kde-devel
[10:19] <darkheart> nalioth: Thanks again.
[10:19] <Knowerrors> nalioth: I don't know what factory means either, Firefox won't start, so I ran it at comman line, and got that error
[10:20] <nalioth> Knowerrors: rename your ~/.mozilla-firefox
[10:21] <Knowerrors> nalioth: rename it to ?
[10:21] <nalioth> Knowerrors: peoria
[10:22] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...i don't seem to be able to write on my fat32 partitions, even if I have them as rw in fstab
[10:22] <Knowerrors> hmm, I don't have a ~/.mozilla-firefox, just ~/.mozilla
[10:23] <nalioth> Knowerrors: how bout ~/.firefox?
[10:24] <AoP> when it says ~/.(filename) does the . mean it's hidden?
[10:25] <Knowerrors> nalioth: nope
[10:25] <Knowerrors> AoP: yup
[10:25] <AoP> Ok
[10:27] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you have nothing with 'firefox' in it hidden in your homedir? not in the .mozilla folder, perhaps?
[10:28] <Knowerrors> there is a firefox folder in .mozilla, so I renamed .mozilla, ran firefox and got same error
[10:28] <AoP> check ~/.mozilla/firefox perhaps?
[10:28] <AoP> o
[10:29] <nalioth> Knowerrors: what kind of firefox is this?
[10:29] <zsofici> Hello everybody
[10:29] <Knowerrors> nalioth: 1.07
[10:29] <zsofici> can I find a 3d world mapfor linux
[10:30] <zsofici> can I find a 3d world map for kde
[10:30] <zsofici> especially kubuntu
[10:30] <zsofici> ubunut
[10:30] <zsofici> ubunut
[10:30] <nalioth> zsofici: please don't repeat
[10:31] <nalioth> Knowerrors: sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox
[10:32] <m_tadeu> can anyone help me with fstab?
[10:32] <zsofici> berkes:?????????
[10:32] <Knowerrors> nalioth: will try and come back later... it may be one of the plugins I installed
[10:33] <zsofici> raphink: Hello I am hunika can you help me please
[10:33] <zsofici> raphink: I need 3 d world map for linux something like that by google or by longgame
[10:34] <nalioth> Knowerrors: that is very likely, but it should have cleared it when you renamed your .mozilla folder
[10:34] <Knowerrors> nalioth: yeah, it just made a new .mozilla folder
[10:35] <nalioth> but your plugins/extensions are in the renamed one
[10:36] <Knowerrors> they were... I deleted it :(
[10:36] <Knowerrors> no biggie, can get em back quick
[10:37] <zsofici> Knowerrors: If you can please give me a tip
[10:37] <zsofici> Knowerrors: I need something like google earth for linux
[10:37] <zsofici> or a world map
[10:38] <zsofici> a World Atlas
[10:39] <zsofici> kkathman:are you there help me please
[10:39] <nalioth> zsofici: ask google "world atlas"
[10:39] <zsofici> nalioth: i NEED SOMETHING
[10:39] <zsofici> nalioth: If you something please give me
[10:39] <nalioth> zsofici: obviously we cannot help you at this time.
[10:47] <epp> hey anyone know how to set compiler paths in kdevelop?
[10:48] <Polly_Morf> How do i fix the following error in kdevelop::
[10:48] <Polly_Morf> Terminal cant open pty
[10:49] <Polly_Morf> Anyone else who has that problem?
[10:51] <kakei> hey does any one knows how to move, the trash and the clock of the kicker bar?
[10:52] <epp> kakei, click and hold on the little bar to the right of the thing you want to move?
[10:53] <kakei> i cant ;| it doesnt move
[10:53] <m_tadeu> kakei: try unlocking the bar
[10:54] <kakei> its unlocked
[10:54] <epp> right click the thing you want to move... and pushmove?
[10:54] <bam_> anyone know of a good home backup program? automated
[10:54] <kakei> the trash and clock doesnt have that :((
[10:56] <bam_> yes they do on that damn arrow pointing up
[10:56] <m_tadeu> kakei: mine moves with the applet handles activated
[10:56] <bam_> btw, unlock your panel before you do that
[10:57] <kakei> ur trash move m_tadeu?
[10:57] <m_tadeu> kakei: not using that...only the clock
[10:58] <kakei> how did u move it m_tadeu
[10:58] <m_tadeu> kakei: i enabled the applet handles and d'n'd
[10:59] <kakei> d'n'd?
[10:59] <m_tadeu> drag and drop
[11:00] <kakei> m_tadeu, when i click the clock it shows me the calendar
[11:00] <epp> hey anyone know how to set compiler paths in kdevelop?
[11:00] <Polly_Morf> epp: doesn't just kdevelop use $PATH?
[11:01] <m_tadeu> kakei: you should have a small vertical bar on the left side of the clock( or maybe then you move your mouse on the bar )..drag that bar
[11:04] <epp> Polly_morf how do i change it then?
[11:05] <Polly_Morf> epp: $PATH?
[11:05] <epp> POlly_morf where do i type the new one in??
[11:06] <Polly_Morf> epp: how do you mean? Add something to $PATH, or change kdevelop config?
[11:06] <epp> what do i click on in kdevelop to change it... do i open a file on my hd or do i open settings or what?
[11:07] <epp> because this is the error it gives me
[11:07] <epp> Unable to locate tools.jar. Expected to find it in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-<IP_ADDRESS>/lib/tools.jar
[11:07] <epp> but the real one is in /usr/lib/sun
[11:09] <Polly_Morf> ln -s /usr/lib/sun/tools.jar /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-<IP_ADDRESS>.2.0/lib
[11:09] <Polly_Morf> i would guess
[11:09] <epp> ok
[11:09] <Polly_Morf> as root
[11:09] <Polly_Morf> chack so its the right dir
[11:12] <epp> isnt there a thing i can change in kdevelop to set a path of a compiler?
[11:13] <Elsan_> Can anyone tell me how to get back the default Kubuntu colors? I changed them by error and want them back :(
[11:14] <Polly_Morf> epp: no, i dont think so...
[11:15] <epp> ok
[11:16] <Polly_Morf> If you add a dir to your $path variable (i don't know how, since I installed linux yesterday. I only read about it).
[11:16] <Polly_Morf> maybe someone could helt
[11:16] <Polly_Morf> p
[11:17] <Java_the_Hutt> can anyone help me out for GPRS over bluetooth ?
[11:18] <kakei> hey does kde have a 'shadow' option for windows?
[11:23] <AoP> I think so kakei
[11:23] <Shadyman> Hey guys, what kind of files can i put in ~/.kde/autostart?
[11:25] <Polly_Morf> .desktop files
[11:25] <Shadyman> Polly_Morf: That's it?
[11:25] <Polly_Morf> yup
[11:25] <Shadyman> Polly_Morf: No way to make sure one gets run before the other?
[11:26] <Polly_Morf> put a shellscript or something in there
[11:26] <Polly_Morf> dont know if it works
[11:26] <Shadyman> hmm doh!
[11:26] <Shadyman> command: shell script lol
[11:26] <Shadyman> makes sense.
[11:26] <darkheart> Anyone use yakuake and know how to make it transparent?
[11:26] <Java_the_Hutt> can anyone help me out for GPRS over bluetooth ?
[11:26] <Polly_Morf> darkheart: rightclick select a different theme
[11:27] <Polly_Morf> settings -> schema -> transparent something
[11:27] <darkheart> Polly_Morf: LOL thank you.
[11:27] <darkheart> Polly_Morf: Man, that was so simple...I was looking around in the config files, stumped.
[11:28] <Polly_Morf> darkheart: shit happens :P
[11:28] <Elsan_> Can anyone tell me how to get back the default Kubuntu colors? I changed them by error and want them back :(
[11:28] <darkheart> =)
[11:28] <Polly_Morf> Elsan_: if nothing helpes: create a new account and take those colors. I changed my long ago
[11:29] <Shadyman> Any way to run more than one command in a .desktop file? a semicolon?
[11:31] <Polly_Morf> try adding several Exec=
[11:31] <Polly_Morf> Shadyman:
[11:32] <Shadyman> Polly_Morf: ok
[11:32] <Polly_Morf> nope.-.. it doesnt work, Shadyman
[11:33] <Polly_Morf> Shadyman: a semicolon
[11:33] <Polly_Morf> Shadyman: trial and error
[11:33] <Elsan_> Polly_Morf: Thanks
[11:33] <Shadyman> Polly_Morf: OK
[11:33] <Elsan_> Maybe someone can pack and sned me their colors...
[11:35] <Polly_Morf> Elsan_ I might have them on another account.. wat 2 sec
[11:36] <Polly_Morf> Elsan_: nope sorry... found nothing on kde-llok either
[11:36] <Elsan_> Polly_Morf: Thanks anyway!
[11:38] <Elsan_> Can anyone pack the default Kubuntu colors(System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors -> Save Model) as a .kcsrc and send the file to me please?
[11:39] <Polly_Morf> Elsan_:
[11:39] <Polly_Morf> oops
[11:40] <Polly_Morf> um no... nothing
[11:57] <Java_the_Hutt> anyone can help me with PPPD options and scripts ?
[11:58] <bam_> save a file in vi anyone?
[11:59] <bam_> mn...founf it
[12:00] <Java_the_Hutt> bam found it ?
[12:00] <Shadyman> bam!
[12:00] <Java_the_Hutt> try :w
[12:02] <bam_> i noticed my kubuntu using nano as the default editor?


[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:54] <penguin42> ok, that's weird
[13:55] <penguin42> this reinstalled laptop - when I start up NM runs at 100% until I flick the RF-off switch on/off
[17:43] <nick25> Is it possible to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 for early testing? (since the repositories are already setup)
[17:43] <nick25> If so, what's the best procedure?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> nick25: ive had luck with 15.10 to 16.04
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> nick25: with do-release-upgrade -d
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> nick25: i also tested from 14.04, but brake on me
[17:50] <nick25> lotuspsychje: that's good to know, thank you
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> nick25: but now xenial is installed running pretty stable here
[17:55] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  yeah it's ok now in most ways
[17:56] <BluesKaj> altho plasma 5.4.3 here is still not quite ready for prime time, but it's merely a transitional phase to plasma 5.5.2
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx for letting know
[18:37] <penguin42> yeh I've upgraded here; although the xenial kernel isn't happy on my machine
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: upgraded from wich?
[18:37] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: from W
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:37] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: I always only go one step at a time
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: what you mean
[18:38] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: I never upgrade across more than one version
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: ah, i mostly clean install
[18:40] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Oh I only clean install when replacing hardware; like last week when I put an ssd in; but I've had upgrades over at least 5-10 versions - but always upgrade to the next version, check it's ok before going any further
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: wich ssd brand you have?
[18:42] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Sandisk - bottom of the range was on really cheap offers over xmas
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: cool!
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: how fast is xenial booting on that sandisk?
[18:47] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Well yesterday it managed about 9s on systemd-analyse (on this old core2duo)
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:50] <penguin42> wth is a gpu-manager.service and why did it take 20s out of my boot
[18:51] <penguin42> systemctl disable gpu-manager     should fix that
[18:52]  * penguin42 should take some of the other irrelevant stuff out as well
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: yeah i also disable unwanted services
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> (on trusty)
[18:56] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Yeh but whatever gpumanager is it shouldn't take 20 seconds
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: not sure mate, what grafix card you havin?
[18:57] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Plain old intel onboard
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hmmz weird
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: maybe take a look in lightdm log whats going on?
[19:02] <penguin42> well there's a /var/log/gpu-manager.log - not that it really says what took so long
[22:46] <soldid> hey guys any plans on how nautilus gonna look in 16.04
[22:46] <ikonia> plans ?
[22:46] <ikonia> have you looked at the pre-release builds ?
[22:47] <soldid> yes, i think they should consider including the patches to bring back non-csd nautilus
[22:47] <ikonia> probably a bit late in the day
[22:47] <ikonia> have you looked if those patches are included ?
[22:48] <soldid> yea, those patches are included in the src but i dont think they work
[22:48] <soldid> at least they dont do anything for me when i patch by hand, nautilus 3.18 has some changes i think
[22:48] <ikonia> .......so you're asking them to include patches that are already included
[22:49] <soldid> idk man, but it looks to me that the patches for menu and non-csd windows are not working
[22:49] <ikonia> soldid: so I'll re-ask
[22:49] <ikonia> soldid: do you know if the patches are already included ?
[22:49] <ikonia> (as in the patches you are asking about)
[22:51] <ilhami> hey ::D
[22:51] <soldid> actually it seems they are not, i just runned apt-get source on nautilus and it seems its not there
[22:51] <ikonia> soldid: ok, are they needed, eg: have the patches been rolled up into the current version for 16.04
[22:52] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+changelog
[22:53] <soldid> nooo the patches are not essential per se, but i think most people will notice a difference between 15.10 and 16.04
[22:53] <soldid> compiz has some problems with csd apps overall, it renders them poorly
[22:54] <soldid>   * The update uses GtkHeaderBar decorations and has no menubar for now,     the menus are coming back later and UI is likely to be tweaked again     based on the feedback from this version
[22:54] <soldid> this is the change
[22:54] <soldid> any info on that
[22:54] <OerHeks> so a poor incomplete 3th party theme is giving issues, not nautilus?
[22:55] <soldid> well, nautilus for example now doesnt have a menu at all, only local menu in right corner
[22:57] <soldid> it seems to me that only gnome appmenu gets exposed to unity-gtk3-module although im not well versed in code
[22:58] <soldid> i could try to patch / compare to older version to restore it, but it could add to complexity against upstream
[23:02] <soldid> im gonna ping launchpad but overall it seems like there is not much movement there
[23:02] <soldid> i want 16.04 to be a very solid release like 14.04


[00:00] <Silver_Fox_> 23:00 UTC
[00:01] <duanedesign> woot
[00:01] <DiegoTc> lets begin
[00:01] <Silver_Fox_> Who is chairing the beginners team meeting today ?
[00:01] <Silver_Fox_> Ping cprofitt , nhandler
[00:01] <smeag0l> i was just about drop out
[00:01] <smeag0l> *to
[00:02] <DiegoTc> pautag is not coming today
[00:02] <Silver_Fox_> No worries smeag0l .  Good to see you about
[00:02] <smeag0l> :)
[00:02] <duanedesign> ok and nhandler will be late
[00:02] <Silver_Fox_> I do not mind chairing it if nobody objects
[00:03] <wojox> no objections here
[00:03] <duanedesign> yep, i dont know
[00:03] <DiegoTc> np
[00:03] <duanedesign> the bot commands
[00:03]  * zkriesse chairs...hehehe
[00:03] <Silver_Fox_> Hmm,  I had them written down ;)
[00:03] <zkriesse> startmeeting with []
[00:04] <duanedesign> thats ok Silver_Fox_  dont worry :)
[00:04] <Silver_Fox_> I have them now duanedesign
[00:05] <Silver_Fox_> Just out of interest,  how many are here for the meeting?
[00:05] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[00:05]  * zkriesse is here
[00:05] <pedro3005> o/
[00:05] <phillw> listening
[00:05]  * kvarley is here
[00:05] <duanedesign> o/
[00:05] <DiegoTc> here
[00:05]  * kermiac waves
[00:05] <wojox> here
[00:05]  * smeag0l is here
[00:05] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,  a fair few ;)
[00:05] <Silver_Fox_> #startmeeting
[00:05] <zkriesse> At least we got enough BT members to vote
[00:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:05. The chair is Silver_Fox_.
[00:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:05] <duanedesign> \0/
[00:06] <smeag0l> confused
[00:06] <smeag0l> :)
[00:06] <Silver_Fox_> [TOPIC] Beginners Team Meeting
[00:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beginners Team Meeting
[00:06] <Silver_Fox_> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:07] <smeag0l> if i may i maybe have a security issue ?
[00:07] <Silver_Fox_> [IDEA] DevFG A new look to the Dev Focus Group
[00:07] <MootBot> IDEA received:  DevFG A new look to the Dev Focus Group
[00:07] <Silver_Fox_> DiegoTc,  Its you :)
[00:07] <DiegoTc> yeap
[00:08] <DiegoTc> I was talking with duanedesign about creating a programming academy for the devFG https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiegoTurcios/DevFG
[00:08] <wojox> That sounds like fun
[00:09] <zkriesse> Guys sorry I didn't add it to the agenda (just got it figured out here today) but I'll have a topic after everyone else is done if that's ok
[00:09] <zkriesse> DiegoTc: Ok, to what goal?
[00:09] <DiegoTc> zkriesse: I wrote them on the wiki
[00:09] <DiegoTc> # Help new users to learn a new programming language # When there is a group with a better knowledge, the dev focus group can work on developing application (Small or Big Projects) that can benefit Ubuntu
[00:10] <DiegoTc> Others (Still Thinking)
[00:10] <pedro3005> zkriesse, what nobler goal if not the publicizing and distribution of knowledge? :)
[00:10] <nhandler> o/
[00:10] <zkriesse> very good response pedro3005
[00:10] <Silver_Fox_> nhandler,  Go
[00:10] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[00:11] <nhandler> Silver_Fox_: I just got here, nothing to say right now (still reading scrollback)
[00:11] <DiegoTc> So thats the idea for the dev FG
[00:11] <Silver_Fox_> Ah righto :)  Well we decided to crack on nhandler
[00:11] <duanedesign> o/
[00:11] <Silver_Fox_> Go duanedesign
[00:12] <duanedesign> the council has been discussing lately the 'mission' of each FG and the setting of goals by each group/
[00:12] <duanedesign> I like diegos idea
[00:12] <zkriesse> Ok
[00:13] <duanedesign> i think the teaching of classes is something we could couple with the eduFG
[00:13] <duanedesign> if we could have classses in #ubuntu-classroom
[00:13] <cprofitt> duanedesign: the edu had worked with classroom -- but the focus was on off-line self-paced courses
[00:14] <cprofitt> we had a Moodle server that leveraged wiki docs and forum posts
[00:15] <duanedesign> i think in addition to what DiegoTc said the DevFG should start working towards getting its members to be MOTU's
[00:15]  * DiegoTc there is expectation on the channel :p
[00:15] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,  so do we have an item to vote on or not? :)
[00:16] <Silver_Fox_> Was it an announcement DiegoTc ?  Or are you seeking support for it ?
[00:16] <DiegoTc> option b
[00:16] <nhandler> Nothing really to vote on. It is really up to the FG lead
[00:16] <DiegoTc> nhandler: I never get collinp on irc :S
[00:16] <Silver_Fox_> Yes,  I thought it would have been in the FG meeting, not the team meeting
[00:17] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,  moving on...
[00:17] <nhandler> DiegoTc: You can use email / MemoServ ;)
[00:17] <Silver_Fox_> Unless anyone has anything to add
[00:17] <collinp> Wow. Forgot meeting was going on.
[00:17] <duanedesign> ha
[00:17] <DiegoTc> thanks I always wonder how i do that
[00:17] <duanedesign> :)
[00:17] <zkriesse> For shame collinp!
[00:17] <DiegoTc> Guys I am leving I had clases righ now :S
[00:18] <Silver_Fox_> [IDEA] Review List Of Prospective Members In Need Of Mentor.
[00:18] <zkriesse> bye DiegoTc
[00:18] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Review List Of Prospective Members In Need Of Mentor.
[00:18] <collinp> And I'm handling an issue somewhere else.
[00:18] <nhandler> Silver_Fox_: Why are you using IDEAS instead of TOPICS ?
[00:18] <zkriesse> I'm willing to take on nUboon2Age and or MichealH
[00:19] <Silver_Fox_> Gah,  you are quite correct nhandler ,  lol
[00:19] <Silver_Fox_> We have 5 on the list
[00:19] <Silver_Fox_> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure#Mentoring
[00:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure#Mentoring
[00:19] <duanedesign> km0r3
[00:19] <km0r3> hey all
[00:19] <duanedesign> needs a dev related mentor
[00:20] <km0r3> yes, that would be great.
[00:20] <duanedesign> he has already shown good commitment to the group
[00:20] <duanedesign> (s)he, I souldnt assume
[00:20] <duanedesign> :)
[00:21] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age is the only other one on the list i have seen around
[00:21] <duanedesign> anyone know anything about the other 3
[00:21] <wojox> What happened to lequont and why is my name gone?
[00:21]  * zkriesse knows of MichealH
[00:21] <Silver_Fox_> Very little duanedesign
[00:21] <duanedesign> oh and wojox
[00:22] <duanedesign> i noticed leoquant was gone today, that was wojoxs mentor
[00:23] <duanedesign> wojox is a good fprum contributor so any forum minded mentor woould be good. is that fair wojox?
[00:23] <duanedesign> forum*
[00:23] <wojox> Sounds good
[00:23] <smeag0l> afk
[00:24] <duanedesign> Also if anyone is on the list of mentors please check and make sure your info is current
[00:24] <Silver_Fox_> Okay, only km0r3 seems to be on the list who is here
[00:24] <zkriesse> Yes
[00:24] <zkriesse> MichealH is in the UK so it's after midnight for him
[00:25] <Silver_Fox_> So..  can somebody take km0r3 ?  A volunteer would be nice :)
[00:25] <Silver_Fox_> It is after midnight in the UK zkriesse .
[00:25] <duanedesign> i can 0\
[00:25] <zkriesse> I've offered to take km0r3 on even though I don't code (yet)
[00:26] <Silver_Fox_> km0r3,  Who would you prefer? duanedesign or zkriesse  )or neither ;)
[00:26]  * nhandler has a mentee
[00:26] <nhandler> Or send another email to the ML
[00:26] <km0r3> I think duanedesign would be great. I feel honored!
[00:26] <Silver_Fox_> Okay great :)
[00:26]  * phillw waves to nhandler
[00:26] <km0r3> zkriesse: I already thanked you for you kindness
[00:26] <km0r3> >/(
[00:26] <km0r3> :-) I mean
[00:27] <Silver_Fox_> [AGREED] duanedesign  to mentor km0r3
[00:27] <MootBot> AGREED received:  duanedesign  to mentor km0r3
[00:27] <Silver_Fox_> [TOPIC] Request Status Update From All Mentors
[00:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Request Status Update From All Mentors
[00:27]  * zkriesse will update the mentor list if no one has any objections
[00:28] <duanedesign> o/
[00:28] <smeag0l> b
[00:28] <Silver_Fox_> I shall start,  mine is still in contact with me.  He is in the middle of some real life issues at the minute.  Looking to step it up once they are sorted.
[00:28] <Silver_Fox_> go duanedesign
[00:29] <duanedesign> good you could make it to meeting smeag0l
[00:29] <duanedesign> malev is doing great
[00:29] <smeag0l> thank you duanedesign :)
[00:29] <duanedesign> he has been coding on a lot of projects
[00:29] <Silver_Fox_> Oh hey smeag0l ,  thought you had gone to bed :)
[00:29] <duanedesign> nd helping out in -dev
[00:29] <smeag0l> no
[00:30] <smeag0l> ;)
[00:30] <duanedesign> shredder12 is also doing well.
[00:30] <nhandler> My mentee is doing well also. He is doing a great job both in the BT as well as with getting involved in the greater community.
[00:30] <duanedesign> and kermiac hopefully wont be my mentee for much longer, not htat i have not enjoyed it
[00:31] <duanedesign> nhandler: i agree his participation in #ubuntu-beginners is great
[00:31] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:31] <zkriesse> I've nominated mohi for membership although he's not here for some reason
[00:31] <zkriesse> phillw: has done great
[00:31] <zkriesse> Especially with wiki, he's been making excellent progress with that
[00:32]  * nhandler -> dinner
[00:32] <Silver_Fox_> Nobody else has an update ?
[00:33] <Silver_Fox_> Guess not. :)
[00:34] <Silver_Fox_> Okay  moving on...
[00:34] <Silver_Fox_> [TOPIC] kermiac to join the team
[00:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  kermiac to join the team
[00:34] <Silver_Fox_> Please introduce yourself kermiac
[00:35] <Silver_Fox_> Or let duanedesign do it ;)
[00:35] <duanedesign> kermiac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MitchTowner
[00:35]  * Vantrax is having RMB flashbacks
[00:35] <zkriesse> same here vanhoof
[00:35] <zkriesse> I mean Vantrax
[00:35] <km0r3> \o
[00:35] <duanedesign> kermiac has been with us for almost 3 months now
[00:35]  * zkriesse hates tabfail
[00:36] <duanedesign> he is a bug triaging machine :)
[00:36] <zkriesse> Just so ya'll know, kermiac has been making excellent progress in -wiki as well when he can
[00:36] <duanedesign> nis 5 a day stats are impressive
[00:36] <duanedesign> his*
[00:36] <Silver_Fox_> I had a look at those duanedesign ,  very impressive
[00:36] <duanedesign> and he has also done apport hooks, wiki work, etc
[00:37] <duanedesign> i think he will be a great addition to the team. He is highly motivated, friendly , and ready to help when he can
[00:37] <duanedesign> all the things that make a grat BT member
[00:37] <duanedesign> great*
[00:37] <zkriesse> +1 duanedesign
[00:37] <Silver_Fox_> Great.
[00:37] <kermiac> hi, sorry. I was called away from my desk. Thanks duanedesign
[00:37] <Silver_Fox_> Lets vote
[00:38] <Silver_Fox_> [VOTE] kermiac to join the team
[00:38] <MootBot> Please vote on:  kermiac to join the team.
[00:38] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:38] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:38] <duanedesign> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:38] <zkriesse> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from zkriesse. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:38] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:38] <Vantrax> +1
[00:38] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:39] <Silver_Fox_> Nobody else? :)
[00:39] <pleia2> +1
[00:39] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:39] <Silver_Fox_> ping cprofitt
[00:40] <Silver_Fox_> Thanks pleia2
[00:40] <cprofitt> Silver_Fox_: ?
[00:40] <cprofitt> 0
[00:40] <zkriesse> cprofitt: cast your vote
[00:40] <cprofitt> +0
[00:40] <MootBot> Abstention received from cprofitt. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:40] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,  I think thats everyone who is here
[00:41] <cprofitt> sorry -- other meeting got a bit 'hot'
[00:41] <Silver_Fox_> [ENDVOTE]
[00:41] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[00:41] <zkriesse> Congrats kermiac!!!!
[00:41] <Silver_Fox_> [AGREED] kermiac to join the team.
[00:41] <MootBot> AGREED received:  kermiac to join the team.
[00:41] <smeag0l> congratulation kermiac
[00:41] <cprofitt> congrats!
[00:41] <kermiac> Thanks :)
[00:41] <Silver_Fox_> Well done
[00:41] <km0r3> Congrats kermiac :-)
[00:42] <duanedesign> who can do the ceremonial kick from the channel :)
[00:42] <zkriesse> I will!
[00:43] <Silver_Fox_> I do not believe you can zkriesse ,  no ops
[00:43] <duanedesign> i think mohi can be voted in absentia?
[00:43] <Silver_Fox_> duanedesign,  I don't think I can voice anyone in the team channels.
[00:43] <zkriesse> Silver_Fox_: I was joking...i've already got him voiced in -wiki
[00:43] <duanedesign> well do it later then :)
[00:43] <Silver_Fox_> duanedesign,  A break in tradition?
[00:43] <smeag0l> ;)
[00:44] <smeag0l> hehe
[00:44] <collinp> I can give voice, but I can't set autovoice.
[00:45] <collinp> I'll just do it and leave a note for bodhi to set auto-voice.
[00:45] <duanedesign> thanks collinp
[00:45] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,  I am going to put me head on the block so to speak.. going to proxy mohi
[00:45] <Vantrax> how is that putting your head on the block...
[00:45] <Silver_Fox_> [VOTE]  mohi1 to join the team
[00:45] <MootBot> Please vote on:   mohi1 to join the team.
[00:45] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:45] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:45] <zkriesse> he's my paddy
[00:45] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:45] <zkriesse> +1
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from zkriesse. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:45] <collinp> +1
[00:45] <Vantrax> +1
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from collinp. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:45] <pedro3005> +1
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from pedro3005. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:45] <pleia2> +1
[00:45] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:46] <Silver_Fox_> Vantrax,  Normally they have to be around.  I think he had been on the list for maybe 6 months
[00:46] <duanedesign> +1
[00:46] <Silver_Fox_> [ENDVOTE]
[00:46] <MootBot> +1 received from duanedesign. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[00:46] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 7
[00:46] <zkriesse> cool
[00:47] <collinp> I'll notify bodhi that mohi1 needs +VA as well.
[00:47] <Silver_Fox_> [AGREED]  mohi1 to join the team.
[00:47] <MootBot> AGREED received:   mohi1 to join the team.
[00:47] <Vantrax> i think we said they didnt have to be, I know I had 2 paddys added while they were absent
[00:47] <duanedesign> ahhh
[00:48] <duanedesign> thanks Vantrax
[00:48] <zkriesse> Silver_Fox_: I had a topic if i may?
[00:48] <Silver_Fox_> Well I had a view to resting (coming up to 1AM)
[00:48] <Silver_Fox_> But sure
[00:48] <Silver_Fox_> Go zkriesse
[00:49] <zkriesse> Ok, some of you know I've recently starting leading the Ubuntu Youth group
[00:49] <zkriesse> Just wanted to know if any of you would like to help get this group going and alive again
[00:49] <zkriesse> Especially you younger folks
[00:50] <duanedesign> oh to be young again :)
[00:50] <pleia2> hehe
[00:50] <zkriesse> If any of you wish to help the channel is #ubuntu-youth on freenode and the wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth
[00:50] <zkriesse> That's all Silver_Fox_
[00:50] <Vantrax> I would encourage people to be involved
[00:50] <pleia2> hooray Ubuntu Youth!
[00:50] <zkriesse> haha pleia2
[00:50] <Silver_Fox_> Can we be young at heart?
[00:50] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[00:50] <smeag0l> :)
[00:51] <duanedesign> and on a final note the council will be sending out an email covering the plans to encourage more activity in the team
[00:51] <zkriesse> Yes Silver_Fox_ you may
[00:52] <Silver_Fox_> When can we expect such an email duanedesign ? I shall make a point to open it
[00:52] <duanedesign> we have sent out emails to the broader community
[00:52] <pleia2> instead of just trashing it like other duanedesign emails :O
[00:52] <duanedesign> we are awaiting some feedbac
[00:52] <duanedesign> lol
[00:52] <duanedesign> so this week, early next week at latest
[00:53] <Silver_Fox_> I look forward to reading it duanedesign
[00:53] <zkriesse> +1 Silver_Fox_
[00:53] <duanedesign> i think everyone will like it. We want to really unlock the teams potentil
[00:53] <smeag0l> sorry zkriesse i will have to get my life straightent out first :/
[00:53] <duanedesign> everyone is so talented here on the team
[00:54] <duanedesign> thanks Silver_Fox_ for chairing the meeting
[00:54] <zkriesse> Oh and just so ya'll know there will be a Ubuntu Youth meeting in #ubuntu-youth on Friday at 20:00 UTC and a -wiki meeting in #ubuntu-beginners-wiki on saturday at 21:00 UTC
[00:54] <pleia2> thanks Silver_Fox_!
[00:54] <zkriesse> good job Silver_Fox_
[00:54] <Silver_Fox_> Okay,   thinking about calling it in.  Very early here,  hope the meeting went smooth enough. Wasn't planning to chair so sorry if out of the norm.
[00:54] <Silver_Fox_> #endmeeting
[00:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:54.
[00:54] <zkriesse> very nice
[00:54] <Silver_Fox_> Oh,  I still don't like mootbot ;)
[00:55]  * phillw makes the horlicks for us 'oldies' in the UK ;-)
[00:55] <zkriesse> AlanBell is making a new Mootbot-UK
[00:55] <zkriesse> it's called meetingology now
[00:55] <zkriesse> I've got it in -wiki and #ubuntu-youth
[00:55] <Silver_Fox_> zkriesse,  A job for you i have..,,
[00:55] <zkriesse> Silver_Fox_: oh?
[00:55] <Silver_Fox_> zkriesse,  http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ <- Meeting logs. Please if you could sort would be grand
[00:56] <zkriesse> Oh dear
[00:56] <zkriesse> OK sure I'll grab that
[00:56] <zkriesse> Only if you gimme a donut
[00:56] <Silver_Fox_> What sort? The kind with a hole in the middle or the one with a jam centre ?
[00:57] <zkriesse> there's no log of our meeting
[00:57] <smeag0l> this edubuntu takes forever to boot gonna try and se if i can get ubuntu to run on this troublesome Nvidia 6200 or 6600
[00:58] <smeag0l> cyal
[00:58] <Silver_Fox_> BYe smeag0l
[00:58] <smeag0l> thank you Silver_Fox_
[16:00] <mvo> hey
[16:01] <barry> mvo: hi!
[16:01] <robbiew> \o
[16:01] <robbiew> whose running the meeting today?
[16:01] <cjwatson> hi.  bagsy not me, I think I did it last week
[16:02]  * barry doesn't remember the shuffle order from last week
[16:02] <ev> hello
[16:02] <psurbhi> o/
[16:03] <robbiew> :/
[16:03] <robbiew> hmmm
[16:03]  * robbiew will run then
[16:05] <robbiew> okay
[16:05] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is robbiew.
[16:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <robbiew> let's make it legit :)
[16:05] <robbiew> doko: Keybuk: around?
[16:05] <doko_> hi
[16:06] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[16:06]  * robbiew skips Keybuk
[16:06] <robbiew> barry?
[16:06] <barry> f-m-python-versions: much work on py27 stack; having fun with ppa limitations and api. f-m-robust-python-packaging: versioned .so files patch, email discussions, python bug 9193 with patch; todo finish pep 3149. misc: bug 602132 (valgrind ftbfs on mav); awaiting review (cjwatson ping :) and upload; reviewed lean research paper; built out mav mbp laptop for rally; debian python modules submitted for ITP: flufl.enum and flufl.i18n. done.
[16:07] <barry> cjwatson: i'm not sure you're the right person to review bug 602132, but i assigned it to you (i cannot upload)
[16:07] <cjwatson> I was sort of hoping that doko might review the valgrind patch; I can do it if necessary but I don't know it hugely well
[16:07] <cjwatson> doko, could you?
[16:08] <Keybuk> robbiew: am round, you were just on the phone with me! :p
[16:08] <doko> cjwatson: ok
[16:08] <Keybuk> though I did just have to get back to the PC after nature break
[16:08] <cjwatson> doko: thanks much
[16:08] <robbiew> Keybuk: heh
[16:08]  * cjwatson screws Keybuk's outbound filter back in
[16:08] <cjwatson> (oo-er)
[16:08] <barry> doko: thanks
[16:08] <robbiew> lol
[16:08] <ev> lol
[16:08] <barry> :-D
[16:08] <robbiew> Keybuk: anything for the lightning round?
[16:08] <Keybuk> cjwatson: that *was* filtered
[16:09] <Keybuk> done: ureadahead continuous reprofiling, some work on defrag and block readahead, restored backup after getting it horribly wrong y'day
[16:09] <Keybuk> todo: use a different machine for testing, more work on defrag + block
[16:09] <Keybuk> ~
[16:09] <cjwatson> should've known
[16:09] <robbiew> thnx
[16:09] <robbiew> cjwatson: paste away!
[16:09] <cjwatson> gosh, how did you get readahead wrong enough to need restore from backup? :)
[16:09] <Keybuk> cjwatson: turns out btrfs assumes you know what you're doing when you say where you want to move a block to
[16:09] <Keybuk> I didn't know what I was doing
[16:10] <cjwatson> done: bits of 10.04.1 prep; several build fixes and merges; landed some significant pieces of foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer, now mostly awaiting kernel support; sent off linearfb patch for review; upgraded to current syslinux/gfxboot (involving staring at crash dumps lots)
[16:10] <cjwatson> todo: sort out logo handling for foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer; sprint prep; reviews for Surbhi
[16:10] <Keybuk> I mistook page offsets for byte offsets
[16:10] <cjwatson> --
[16:10] <robbiew> cjwatson: thnx
[16:10] <robbiew> doko's next
[16:10] <doko> openjdk-6 backport still continuing, armel test rebuild, openjdk-7 updates, build gcc-4.4 from linaro release, investigate and fix openjdk-6 crashes on armel/maverick, helping hand with python2.7 test rebuild, various linaro calls
[16:10] <doko> done
[16:11] <robbiew> heh
[16:11] <robbiew> ev?
[16:11] <ev> Mostly finished the automatic partition page this week - there are slight UI bugs but the functionality is solid.
[16:11] <ev> Working on the timezone page.  Moved the menus into a single menu off a new MenuButton widget (http://tinyurl.com/2wg5ucy http://tinyurl.com/32gqusp), but we decided that three ways to do the same thing was wrong and removed the menus altogether.
[16:11] <ev> Currently writing client code to talk to the geonames service, packaging python-sphinxsearch for IS so we can deploy the service.
[16:11] <ev> Mail exchange with Amanda over the "use non free software" checkbox.  I hope to get the timezone page and Jockey/ubuntu-?-extras work done before the sprint, so I can focus that time on parallel debconf work.  And dear lord is it ever raining in London.
[16:11] <ev> done
[16:11] <robbiew> lol...rain?...what's that
[16:12] <ev> hahaha
[16:12] <robbiew> thnx ev
[16:12] <robbiew> mvo, you're next sir
[16:12] <mvo> aptdaemon: work on tests, python-apt py3 fixes; software-center: merged/worked on appdetails-gtk branch, improved appdetails, work on buy-something; update-manager: work on python-apt 0.8 api port, performance work, various bugfixes
[16:12] <mvo> (done)
[16:12] <barry> ev: same here in dc!  that must be one big storm
[16:12] <robbiew> mvo: thnx
[16:12] <robbiew> psurbhi: ?
[16:12] <psurbhi> 1) worked on mdadm merge delta
[16:12] <psurbhi> 2) worked on merging upstream btrfs patch in gparted
[16:12] <psurbhi> 3) worked on resolving compiler error in building iptables
[16:12] <psurbhi> 4) worked on resolving compiler error in building redhat-cluster
[16:12] <psurbhi> 5) started writing a design and implementation doc for btrfs.
[16:13] <psurbhi> i am right now resolving the gplv2 vs v3 with cmason and peter Anvin on #btrfs
[16:13] <robbiew> sounds like fun :/
[16:13] <robbiew> heh
[16:13] <psurbhi> i had a question for grub2 btrfs code:
[16:13] <psurbhi> could it be dual licensed? gpl v2/3 ?
[16:13] <psurbhi> so that syslinux could use support from it
[16:13] <barry> psurbhi: who owns the copyright on it?
[16:13] <cjwatson> we can dual-license code if it's ours
[16:14] <psurbhi> yes, our code
[16:14] <psurbhi> :-) great, thanks
[16:14] <barry> psurbhi: you may have to make two source distributions though.  i'm sure amanda can give you all the legal advice you'll need to make that happen :)
[16:14] <Keybuk> psurbhi: look on the bright side, all this licence debate makes it really obvious that we're trying to contribute to btrfs development :p
[16:14] <psurbhi> :P
[16:14] <psurbhi> true
[16:15] <robbiew> nothing on the alpha3 bug list...skipping tha
[16:15] <robbiew> that
[16:15] <robbiew> nothing new that is
[16:15] <cjwatson> in general for code we write that's attached to an existing project, we use the prevailing licence; for a situation like this where multiple projects are involved, it makes sense to use the union, otherwise we're only really inconveniencing ourselves
[16:15] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Any Business from Activity Reports
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Business from Activity Reports
[16:16] <robbiew> silence = moving on!
[16:16] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:16] <cjwatson> new syslinux!  dear god that was hard work, and will get various folks off my back.
[16:16] <cjwatson> also potentially lets us use hybrid CDs that are bootable as USB without conversion, although that's some more work
[16:16] <ev> I have business
[16:17] <robbiew> cjwatson: \o/
[16:17] <barry> robbiew: i have a proposal for a cross-team session.  should i add it to the page or run it by you first?
[16:17] <robbiew> ev: oops..proceed
[16:17] <doko> the openjdk-6 backports don't show regressions (tested by sbeattie), and fix several plugin issues
[16:17] <robbiew> barry: just add it
[16:17] <robbiew> ;)
[16:17] <mvo> I finally traced down a "synaptic/update-manager eats all my cpu bug"
[16:17] <ev> we're going to have a new ubuntu-?-extras package to be installed by ubiquity
[16:17] <cjwatson> (doesn't obsolete usb-creator; it'd still be needed for persistent storage, and as a tool to actually write stuff to the stick
[16:17] <Keybuk> I have news; after some fighting, and a little bloodshed, the track leads for the Boot & Init Track of Linux Plumbers' this year have been announced
[16:17] <ev> it will basically be ubuntu-restricted-extras, but without the metaverse stuff and the fluendo mp3 codec
[16:17] <Keybuk> and it's going to be Kay & myself :-)
[16:17] <ev> what should we call it?
[16:18] <ev> Keybuk: congrats!
[16:18] <robbiew> Keybuk: *\o/*
[16:18] <ev> cjwatson, mvo: awesome!
[16:18] <cjwatson> I'd like to call it ubuntu-restricted-extras, but unfortunately that's going to be kind of weird on upgrades
[16:19] <mvo> Keybuk: congrats!
[16:19] <cjwatson> would ubuntu-restricted-desktop make sense?
[16:19] <robbiew> ev: ubuntu-awesome-extras? (j/k)
[16:19] <ev> doesn't that imply that ubuntu-restricted-extras isn't for the desktop?
[16:19] <mvo> ubuntu-media-extras?
[16:19] <cjwatson> maybe ...
[16:19] <james_w> ubuntu-restricted-extra-but-not-too-extras
[16:20] <ev> lol
[16:20] <robbiew> heh
[16:20] <Keybuk> ubuntu-restricted-additionals
[16:20] <mvo> I like that one!
[16:20] <mvo> -addons
[16:20] <ev> either of those two work for me
[16:20] <barry> maverick works great on an mbp1,1, except for the trackpad handling which induces sharp persistent pains in my forehead
[16:21] <ev> right, that's it from me for now :)  Thanks!
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:22] <robbiew> ev: can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/604765
[16:22] <ev> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/7716 - *cough* be a buddy, hit the commit button on that website
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/7716 - *cough* be a buddy, hit the commit button on that website
[16:22] <ev> robbiew: sure
[16:22] <robbiew> omg
[16:23] <robbiew> lol
[16:23] <robbiew> ev: thnx
[16:23]  * ev glares at robbiew for not signing up yet
[16:23]  * ev glares harder
[16:23] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Next chair
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next chair
[16:23] <ev> hahaha, whatever
[16:23] <robbiew> thanks for volunteering ev
[16:23] <ev> lol
[16:24] <mvo> :)
[16:24] <robbiew> heh
[16:24] <robbiew> should we have it next week?
[16:24] <robbiew> or just update the wiki with activity reports
[16:24] <cjwatson> it's all one big meeting
[16:25] <barry> cjwatson: yeah, but except for me, how often do we have them in bars? <wink>
[16:25] <Keybuk> if there's a hot tub, we could have the meeting in there
[16:25] <ev> why stop at the meeting
[16:25] <cjwatson> when the times were different, it was not unheard of for me to do the meeting from a pub lunch :-)
[16:25]  * barry rolls up his 30m cat5e cable
[16:25] <ev> lol
[16:26] <barry> cjwatson: nice!
[16:26] <ev> it's going to be above 30 degrees in poor-unit temperature all week
[16:26] <ev> I'm working from the pool
[16:26] <Keybuk> cjwatson: secrets of management?
[16:26] <robbiew> ok...so we'll probably cancel it
[16:26] <robbiew> heh
[16:27] <robbiew> btw, ev...I DID commit
[16:27] <ev> oh, well, whatever
[16:27] <ev> I didn't see a twitter post about it
[16:27] <robbiew> lol
[16:27] <ev> ;)
[16:27] <robbiew> I think I did identi.ca
[16:27] <Keybuk> robbiew: you just wanted nobody to read it, didn't you
[16:28] <ev> lol
[16:28] <robbiew> well...
[16:28] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:28.
[16:28] <robbiew> lol
[16:28] <ev> hahaha
[16:28] <psurbhi> robbiew, thanks :)
[16:28] <ev> thanks!
[16:28] <robbiew> thnx all
[16:28] <barry> thanks!
[16:28] <mvo> thanks
[19:59] <highvoltage> bonjour
[19:59] <mhall119> thought it was in another hour
[20:00] <highvoltage> you should add UTC time to your gnome time applet :)
[20:00] <mhall119> it is, I just thought it was 20:00
[20:01] <highvoltage> I double-checked the wiki and it says 19:00 :)
[20:01] <highvoltage> #startmeeting
[20:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:01. The chair is highvoltage.
[20:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:01] <highvoltage> let's try mootbot for a change!
[20:02] <mhall119> woohoo
[20:02] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] Qimo session
[20:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Qimo session
[20:02] <mhall119> heh, that got on the list fast
[20:02] <highvoltage> mhall119: since we discussed it just now in #edubuntu, do you think you'll have time to work on that gnome session over the next 2 weeks or so?
[20:03] <highvoltage> s/gnome/qimo
[20:03] <mhall119> I'll have time to look into it, but no guarantees there'll be work done
[20:03] <highvoltage> beta is on 2 September, which still leaves some time though
[20:03] <mhall119> ok
[20:04] <highvoltage> ok, I'll just possibly apply a *tiny* amount of pressure since it affects our installer :)
[20:04] <mhall119> if I can't make a Gnome-based session, would you consider one that uses lxpanel or some other light-weight panel?
[20:05]  * Lns waves to all
[20:05] <mhall119> it looks like I'll have to keep totally separate gconf databases for Qimo to have it's own gnome panel configs
[20:05] <highvoltage> it doesn't sound like a bad idea, but we're trying to keep the dvd image small. lxde isn't that big afaik, it's notimpossible but possibly a stretch
[20:06] <mhall119> ok, I'll see what'll be possible using gnome
[20:06] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'm sure it's possible to find another way, I'll try to look at it this weekend (I'm moving tomorrow so that might get slightly in the way)
[20:07] <mhall119> ok, I have to plan for my UDW session Friday, so it'll be this weekend at the earliest
[20:07] <highvoltage> ok great
[20:07] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Website
[20:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Website
[20:08] <highvoltage> last week I reverted the Edubuntu website to the default drupal theme
[20:08] <highvoltage> I just changed the colours so that it it's more edubuntuy: http://edubuntu.org/
[20:08]  * stgraber waves
[20:08] <highvoltage> I also bought a theme from a site that makes and sells drupal themes
[20:08]  * highvoltage tries to find a link quickly
[20:09] <mhall119> MTecknology was working on a Drupal port of the new website theme
[20:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: is that Susan?
[20:09] <mhall119> not sure about real-life names
[20:10]  * alkisg likes the new site very much
[20:10] <mhall119> there's also a Wordpress theme available
[20:10] <highvoltage> mhall119: ah, stgraber just told me that it isn't. I'm not familiar with that, do you have details?
[20:10] <mhall119> on the new theme?
[20:10]  * Lns likes the new site too!
[20:10] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep
[20:10] <mhall119> highvoltage: looks like loco.ubuntu.com
[20:11] <highvoltage> Lns, alkisg: heh, it's just the default drupal theme :)
[20:11] <mhall119> or www.ubuntu.com
[20:11] <Lns> it's clean though
[20:11] <highvoltage> the theme I bought is called mynxx, although the preview on http://www.rockettheme.com/drupal-themes/mynxx doesn't show it with the settings I'd want to use by default
[20:11] <alkisg> Really? I haven't seen the default drupal theme for a long time, this is looking elegant, and it's also liquid... nice
[20:12] <highvoltage> you'd have to go to Features -> Preset Styles and then the 4th and 5th styles look like they could be configured to be edubuntuy quite easily
[20:13] <highvoltage> it has the canonical-style dots (well, maybe with a bit of imagination) and seems to have some accessibility at least. I'll ask for feedback via the list while I update it
[20:14] <highvoltage> if someone doesn't like it they're welcome to send   feedback, but we've had an old website so long that I'm just going to run with it
[20:15] <highvoltage> hope that's ok :)
[20:15] <alkisg> highvoltage++ :)
[20:16] <highvoltage> I guess we should spend some time talking about the website outside of the meeting. I'll give everyone regular pokes in the channel :)
[20:16] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] Installer features
[20:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Installer features
[20:17] <highvoltage> I looked last week at the ubiquity plugins, I don't understand them completely yet but they don't seem all that complicated at least
[20:18] <highvoltage> I started working on the UI pages for the installer too, here's a first draft screenshot for the desktop environment chooser:
[20:18] <highvoltage> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png
[20:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png
[20:18] <highvoltage> (I meant to cut that window out but gimp is a bit buggy with globalmenu it seems)
[20:19] <highvoltage> LTSP will also have a ubiquity screen, although that installation slide is still much rougher at this stage: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/Capture.png
[20:20] <highvoltage> that's pretty much all I have to report on installer changes for the week
[20:20] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Developer Week
[20:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Developer Week
[20:21] <highvoltage> We have a session scheduled for Ubuntu Developer Week this week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[20:21] <highvoltage> it's on Friday at at 19:00 UTC (same time that this meeting is happening just on Friday)
[20:21] <mhall119> will the desktop chooser determine what is installed, or just what is default?
[20:21] <highvoltage> mhall119: probably both
[20:21] <mhall119> ok
[20:22]  * bencrisford wanders in (sorry im late)
[20:22] <mhall119> side-question, is it possible to add a screen to create extra users with these plugins?
[20:22] <highvoltage> mhall119: the default session will be installed, and then whatever is chosen will be installed additionally and also made default (I guess :))
[20:23] <alkisg> mhall119: that would be nice to have after the installation as well, so maybe it shouldn't be an ubiquity plugin but a standalone program.
[20:23] <highvoltage> bencrisford, stgraber, mhall119, alkisg: would be nice if you can be there as well to help out with answers (or even questions as mhall119 did so well last time ;))
[20:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: seems like you can do pretty much anything with the ubiquity plugins system
[20:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: if you can put it in glade and script it in python, then it's doable
[20:24] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'm teaching from 16:00 to 18:00
[20:24] <mhall119> so I should be there
[20:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: cool
[20:25]  * alkisg will also post it in his forums/mailinst lists for teachers here to see
[20:25] <highvoltage> great
[20:25] <mhall119> alkisg: maybe include a link to a webchat for #ubuntu-classroom
[20:25] <alkisg> yup, http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat
[20:26] <highvoltage> well that's pretty much all from my side, any other topics for today?
[20:28] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] Next Meeting
[20:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Meeting
[20:28] <alkisg> That was a lot of news/work! Thanks!
[20:28] <highvoltage> Next Edubuntu meeting is next week Wednesday 21 July, also 19:00 UTC
[20:28] <mhall119> I'll be out
[20:29] <highvoltage> thanks for attending the weekly Edubuntu meeting and have a good week!
[20:29] <mhall119> so I'll try and get you an update to the qimo-gnome question before then
[20:29] <bencrisford> :)
[20:29] <highvoltage> mhall119: that would be really nice
[20:29] <highvoltage> #endmeeting
[20:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:29.
[20:29] <mhall119> gong?
[20:30] <highvoltage> *GONG*
[20:31] <bencrisford> :D
[20:32] <mhall119> :)
[20:32] <highvoltage> #startmeeting
[20:32] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:32. The chair is highvoltage.
[20:32] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:32] <MTecknology> mhall119: ya, I have lajjr working on importing the variations into what we already had from the light-base-theme. I think he's pretty far along.
[20:32] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] testmeeting
[20:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  testmeeting
[20:32] <highvoltage> [VOTE] test
[20:32] <MootBot> Please vote on:  test.
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[20:32] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:33] <highvoltage> -1
[20:33] <MootBot> -1 received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[20:33] <highvoltage> +1
[20:33] <highvoltage> +1
[20:33] <highvoltage> [ENDVOTE]
[20:33] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: -1
[20:33] <highvoltage> #endmeeting
[20:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:33.
[20:33] <MTecknology> highvoltage: "< highvoltage> mhall119: is that Susan?" <- no, my name is Michael ;)
[20:34] <mhall119> good name
[20:34] <MTecknology>  mhall119 btw - you can see my name in /whois :)
[20:36] <mhall119> I could if I wasn't lazy