[06:20] <mustard5> heinzanova, check your hardware on this list.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:20] <AzMoo> Dr_Willis, ah, nice, thanks.
[06:20] <kapputu> Is the cc compiler available for linux?
[06:20] <mustard5> heinzanova, I think you will find its not supported
[06:20] <st_edmund> good question AzMoo
[06:20] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> AzMoo,  not that ive ever USED that feature. :P
[06:20] <xechostormx> only reason i paid so much for this dang mobo is the optical out lol but thats a problem ill tackle later, i suppose. for now i just need to get rid of the distortion
[06:20] <intelikey> kapputu gcc
[06:20] <xadux> Dr_Willis, thanks for the info of bash
[06:20] <synapsis_> its not loading
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> What file contains my dns server information?
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> I want to change the server i use
[06:21] <kapputu> intelikey, this is off-topic but I need help : http://www.cs.uu.nl/technical/services/vpn/ - This site has a vpnclient for linux but the C modules are compiled using cc
[06:21] <mustard5> heinzanova, although there are a couple of different entries that look similar to your card
[06:22] <heinzanova> mustard5: it says it is supported
[06:22] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, nope isn't loading, nothing is.
[06:22] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: why isn't it `loading' now??
[06:22] <synapsis_> no idea man
[06:22] <mustard5> heinzanova, what other notes are there on it that might be relevant?
[06:22] <heinzanova> it is one of the only PCI cards linksys makes, not to be confused with PCMICA ones
[06:22] <synapsis_> my anger's loading though
[06:22] <heinzanova>  Detected in Network Settings as ra0 and started working after WAP details were input
[06:22] <heinzanova> no clue what that means
[06:23] <mustard5> heinzanova, are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:23] <heinzanova> yes
[06:23] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: go back to your favourite winblows then [if you are getting angry because you can't fix this small isue]
[06:23] <xechostormx> ok screw the distortion problem, ill bet if i get spdif enabled i wont have to worry about it. anyone running spdif that can point me in the right direction?
[06:24] <mustard5> heinzanova, hmmm..not having wireless I am not sure how to proceed, you might have to find someone who is experienced with wireless
[06:24] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, well i'd like to fix this, but all thats happening is i'm relying on everyone else to solve these small issues.
[06:24] <synapsis_> because i can't install a simple program
[06:24] <heinzanova> mustard5: I have been in here all day long begging for a little help, and even though your not experianced with it, your the first person who has helped at all
[06:24] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: RTFM then
[06:24] <heinzanova> I really thought this community was that, a community of help; I guessed wrong
[06:25] <heinzanova> thank you though mustard for your help
[06:25] <mustard5> heinzanova, I think the key is asking the right questions too...detailed explanations of exactly what step you are up to and what errors you are getting
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> I need to assign a static IP to my ipw2200 powered laptop, and I everytime i set it, then reboot, i can't access the internet or anything. But it works if i set it to dhcp again.
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> How do I set a static ip?
[06:25] <heinzanova> I was a while ago, and now I have hath given up on that
[06:25] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, no idea what that acronym means
[06:25] <mustard5> heinzanova, often questions of a general nature are overlooked
[06:25] <synapsis_> probably not a good one
[06:25] <kapputu> GNULinuxer, initially it'll be like that - I'm sure you faced problems when you worked initially with Windows
[06:25] <RAT> I GOT IT.....!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> RAT, what did you get
[06:26] <kapputu> RTFM - Read the (Making babies) manual
[06:26] <GNULinuxer> kapputu: I never worked with Winblows
[06:26] <kapputu> oops GNULinuxer
[06:26] <synapsis_> meh
[06:26] <RAT> pass commands to the console....
[06:26] <RAT> thru GTK
[06:26] <kapputu> that was addressed to Synapsis
[06:26] <kapputu> sorry
[06:26] <GNULinuxer> kapputu: :)
[06:26] <mustard5> heinzanova, there is a little bit of luck involved too of coures :)  Haveing someone online at that time who knows the answer and wants to help ;)
[06:27] <RAT> i forgot about the system() instruction......
[06:27] <synapsis_> kapputu, your right.
[06:27] <kapputu> synapsis_, take it from me - Ubuntu is better than Windows, you just need a little patience initially
[06:27] <kapputu> also you should be prepared to read and learn
[06:28] <kapputu> and then you'll find yourself educating others in no time
[06:28] <synapsis_> kappu: i'm prepared, however nothing seems to be explained in plain englsih as to help me undersatnd.
[06:28] <heinzanova> mustard : one quicky I am trying to edit this file btw I am total new, how do I save what I am doing in vi and exit?
[06:28] <Razor-X> synapsis_: well, if you read the man pages, it shouldn't be that hard to understand
[06:28] <Bollenator> heinzanova: type ":wq"
[06:28] <Cole> :wq
[06:28] <mustard5> heinzanova, hmmm..I don't use vi, but I will see if I have a manual :)
[06:29] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, back to the issue, what am i to do now that i cannot type in that last line you gave me
[06:29] <Razor-X> synapsis_: it does take some practice and experimentation to understand the layout of man pages, but after a while, it becomes essential
[06:29] <Bollenator> heinzanova: btw, if you're really new, you may want to edit with Nano; it's a bit more... intuitive ;)
[06:29] <xechostormx> ok what was the command to log out of the gui? i forget
[06:29] <Razor-X> heinzanova: from my vi days, ``:wq''
[06:29] <snowowl> real quick: does any body use an SLI graphics card configuration with Xinerama
[06:29] <mustard5> heinzanova, it says press 'q' and enter on my vi when I load it
[06:30] <mustard5> heinzanova, oh save!
[06:30] <Cole> heinzanova: if you would liek to familiarize youself with vi here is a cheat sheet http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html
[06:30] <mustard5> hehe
[06:30] <heinzanova> excellent thanks
[06:30] <Razor-X> heinzanova: you may want to take a look at other text editors, a nice list would include: nano, jedit, vi, emacs, and mcedit
[06:30] <intelikey> kapputu i havent found what you are talking about on that web site.  did you dl the tar ball ?
[06:30] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: that was NOT a command .... use your mouse to open synaptic ... from the taskbar on top!!!
[06:30] <sethrd> Hello all.
[06:30] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, it will not open when i click it.
[06:30] <xechostormx> i need to logout of the gui to install my chipset drivers so, its real important for me. I know it was (something)=3
[06:30] <GNULinuxer> synapsis_: why?
[06:31] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, no idea.  thats just my point.  i have no idea
[06:31] <heinzanova> is the chat that appears in red, a personal message to me? Because if so thanks to all that replied to taht question
[06:31] <synapsis_> GNULinuxer, i click it, it makes a sound, and then nothing happens
[06:31] <mustard5> heinzanova, I found the F1 key for help...and ended up pressing it about 5 times and had rash of help windows all over my desktop :P
[06:31] <synapsis_> your guess is as good as mine
[06:31] <kapputu> intelikey, yes
[06:31] <sethrd> I just did a server install, and am trying to get X (GNOME) up. Friend of mine told me that if I do a server install, then install GNOME, less hard drive space will be used, as it doesn't install all the useless programs.
[06:31] <intelikey> lag=16
[06:31] <mustard5> synapsis_, what are you installing?
[06:31] <Razor-X> heinzanova: it includes your name in the beginning of it, XChat hilights it red for your advantage
[06:32] <Razor-X> heinzanova: again, different clients behave in different ways, you may be intrigued to try others :)
[06:32] <mustard5> sethrd, I can't confirm what your friend says unfortunately..
[06:32] <synapsis_> mustard5, i'm *hoping* on installing amsn.  however its not happening, i'm running into errors that i can't understand
[06:32] <mustard5> synapsis_, are you installing from the repositories?
[06:32] <sethrd> mustard5: Is there any reason what so ever to do a server install, then get X up?
[06:32] <heinzanova> gotcha's
[06:32] <kapputu> intelikey, if you download vpnclient-4.0.3 and untar it, you'll see a script named build_driver
[06:33] <mustard5> sethrd, there are probably reasons yes....
[06:33] <Razor-X> sethrd: that may be the case, but it will require more work on your part
[06:33] <kapputu> That script compiles the modules using cc instead of gcc
[06:33] <synapsis_> mustard5, i have been trying to to no avail, i've also downloaded it from its own site, only to be told that i don't even have permission to open the file.
[06:33] <me|ong> what is better
[06:33] <intelikey> kapputu ok i'm looking at it   (dialup)
[06:33] <me|ong> reiser or ext3?
[06:33] <Razor-X> sethrd: because you'll probably have to get a lot of different packages
[06:33] <kapputu> I tried changing it to gcc and installed it again but I got a bunch of warnings
[06:33] <Razor-X> me|ong: depends on the need
[06:33] <kapputu> thanks intelikey
[06:33] <me|ong> well whats the big difference then
[06:33] <mustard5> synapsis_, come over to #kubuntu-offtopic its quieter
[06:33] <me|ong> like what would i use each for
[06:33] <varsendagger> hey i was asking about a program like streamtuner and someone mentioned gstreamer fo searchg for and findingg TV shows
[06:33] <Razor-X> me|ong: ReiserFS is better for many small files in a medium amount of space (such as an OGG collection), but ext3 is better for overall performance
[06:33] <me|ong> cuz i know they are both journaling..
[06:34] <me|ong> coo good to know thanks
[06:34] <mustard5> synapsis_, type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:34] <varsendagger> is there a plugin that i would hve to install for that
[06:34] <me|ong> i always thought reiser was better
[06:34] <sethrd> Razor-X: I saw on the forums that people were doing server installs then getting X up. For what reason I was unsure, so I asked my friend Tim and he said that hard drive space was most likely the reason.
[06:34] <me|ong> just cuz i had seen it default for most distros
[06:34] <sethrd> Razor-X: I'm only on a 30GB hard drive, and I like to use it all up with MY stuff, not OS stuff.
[06:34] <heinzanova> After running sudo ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper why is my network card still not appearing in the networking under administration? I only have my Eth0 (my onboard eithernet) no sign of the WLAN0, and some weird PPP0 modem connection
[06:34] <me|ong> sethrd
[06:35] <me|ong> an OS should never take more than 6 gb of space
[06:35] <me|ong> specially a one cd distro
[06:35] <hp_> i have a sound problem
[06:35] <kapputu> heinzanova, did you find what chipset it is?
[06:35] <hp_> how do i edit:/etc/esound/esd.conf
[06:35] <sethrd> me|ong: When I say OS stuff, I mean programs and all. I want as little space as possible used by programs. Most space should be for me and my movies/music/etc.
[06:35] <kapputu> if it's a TI chipset, try craig's acx 100/111 setup
[06:35] <Razor-X> sethrd: probably, but I won't suggest it unless you're installing in a very constricted space, and if you're install Gnome, there shouldn't be much point
[06:35] <varsendagger> the days of more than one CD installs are over, or even DVD installs
[06:35] <intelikey> ah yes kapputu hahaha that is rediculess,  you should email them about that.
[06:35] <hp_> says its read only
[06:36] <Razor-X> sethrd: I mean, if you want to, persay, use aewm without any GTK or QT apps, then a server install with X manually installed is best
[06:36] <kapputu> intelikey, yeah but I don't have any connection - I'm just trying to download a client to connect to work
[06:36] <sethrd> So, in other words, my friend is an asshat and duped me.
[06:36] <me|ong> sethrd
[06:36] <hp_> ive just started with linux/ubuntu
[06:37] <me|ong> i know what im talking about when it comes to that stuff man
[06:37] <heinzanova> kapputu,  Ralink
[06:37] <me|ong> and os wiht its programs shouldnt exceed 6gb
[06:37] <me|ong> otherwise its overhead not needed
[06:37] <kubuntu_guy> guys hello
[06:37] <me|ong> or bloatware :P
[06:37] <sethrd> My own fauly for listening to him without looking it up.
[06:37] <sethrd> *cough*Windows*cough*
[06:37] <intelikey> kapputu try changing  ' CC=cc '     to      ' CC=gcc '    and see if it will build.
[06:37] <me|ong> most distros give you a package installing selection
[06:37] <Razor-X> sethrd: not really, I wouldn't go that far
[06:37] <me|ong> just choose minimal.. most of the time itl install under 1gb
[06:37] <kapputu> intelikey, it got built, but with warnings
[06:37] <me|ong> then you install what you need after
[06:37] <Razor-X> sethrd: it definitely depends on choice
[06:38] <me|ong> but again.. it "shouldnt" exceed 6gb.. then you have room for all your stuff
[06:38] <kapputu> and then the module wouldn't work, it errored out with an invalid module format
[06:38] <kubuntu_guy> Im already install my webmin and try to log using root account but always saying that my password is wrong? how can I resolve this
[06:38] <st_edmund> Anyone know how to re-install networking app?
[06:38] <me|ong> and partition is.. then mount diff partitions so that you dont use more than you need
[06:38] <sethrd> Alright, well, looks like I'll do this over with a normal install.
[06:38] <heinzanova> kapputu, I downloaded the util for ubuntu and it shows it installed and as hardware there, but it doesnt appear as an item in the networking menu
[06:38] <me|ong> like .... your 30gb.. partition 5/25
[06:38] <Razor-X> sethrd: but then, if you use aewm without GTK or QT, you probably have the experience to setup X using a server install :)
[06:38] <me|ong> then install linux on the 25gb.. then mount the other 25gb to yoru home folder
[06:38] <Razor-X> sethrd: I could fit Ubuntu comfortable on 2 GB in the beginning
[06:38] <intelikey> hmmmm  ;/
[06:38] <Razor-X> *comfortably
[06:39] <st_edmund> sethrd, i have a 600 Mb ubuntu install....
[06:39] <kapputu> does Ubuntu allow you to choose packages?
[06:39] <sethrd> Alright, one more question for ya guys.
[06:39] <kapputu> expert mode?
[06:39] <sethrd> 512MB RAM. How big should swap be? I hear the 1 and a half thing a lot.
[06:39] <me|ong> it is
[06:40] <me|ong> usually double
[06:40] <st_edmund> sethrd,  1.5 sounds about right yes.
[06:40] <SEJeff> sethrd: The twice ram thing was for kernel 2.4.
[06:40] <intelikey> razor-X it is bloated but i'm running ub on .5g atm with room to work.
[06:40] <me|ong> but I'd say even 256mb is ok
[06:40] <SEJeff> sethrd: 512+, I just make swap size == ram size
[06:40] <me|ong> you shouldnt use more anyways ;)
[06:40] <Razor-X> intelikey: so, you don't like X?
[06:40] <st_edmund> my Networking thingy is broked. Can i reinstall it?
[06:40] <intelikey> i run x
[06:40] <sethrd> Alright, thanks guys.
[06:40] <Razor-X> intelikey: what WM?
[06:41] <intelikey> razor-x
[06:41] <sethrd> I'm sure I'll be back to chat more later.
[06:41] <sethrd> exit
[06:41] <sethrd> Oops.
[06:41] <me|ong> lol
[06:41] <Razor-X> intelikey: even then, you don't use all that many different things do you? centericq alone is of the order of 100 MB
[06:41] <intelikey> fluxbox on this ubuntu  but i ran kde on mdk
[06:41] <kapputu> is there some way to make Ubuntu recognize the screen size?? My display is set to 1024x768 but it looks like 800x600
[06:41] <Razor-X> without its assosciated libraries
[06:41] <kapputu> it works fine with KDE
[06:41] <snowowl> is their a command like ipconfig for linux that show mac and ip adress and the like
[06:41] <me|ong> icq..
[06:42] <me|ong> over 2000 known exploits :)
[06:42] <Razor-X> me|ong: well, I don't use ICQ in centericq
[06:42] <Razor-X> :)
[06:42] <me|ong> same shit diff pile?
[06:42] <Razor-X> me|ong: ...?
[06:42] <rixth> http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=5348 I have set error reporting to E_ALL. Once again my problem is that the script mysteriously dies. I see 'Beofre DB' echo'd but not 'After DB'
[06:42] <me|ong> a program that has NEVER achieved full version.. always beta etc.. should not be used
[06:42] <Razor-X> it allows simeltaneous connections to multiple IM networks, useful in one package
[06:42] <Razor-X> although a bit heavy, for my tastes
[06:42] <kubuntu_guy> how can I share my printer
[06:42] <intelikey> icq '/
[06:42] <rob_p> snowowl:  ifconfig
[06:42] <me|ong> you may be safe.. but cuz of somebody ele they can get to you
[06:42] <heinzanova> kapputu, I downloaded the util for ubuntu and it shows it installed and as hardware there, but it doesnt appear as an item in the networking menu
[06:43] <me|ong> think of it like a nice secure network
[06:43] <me|ong> once in they can do more amage then from outside
[06:43] <snowowl> oooh, thx rob :)
[06:43] <me|ong> infect one and the rest get easier
[06:43] <intelikey> icq ;/   *turns nose up*
[06:44] <me|ong> i gave up ICQ about 4 years ago
[06:44] <intelikey> i never have used it.
[06:44] <kapputu> heinzanova, I'm not sure I can help you further
[06:44] <me|ong> when somebody used me to synflood a friend.. that was the day it lost respect.. plsu the never endless beta/alpha hehe
[06:44] <kapputu> I can look into though but I need to go
[06:44] <me|ong> plus*
[06:44] <heinzanova> kapputu, :-(
[06:44] <snowowl> rob: what is the web interface address for my little home router
[06:45] <kapputu> heinzanova, I can tell you something though. I have a TI chipset which is not even supported by ndiswrapper and I could still get that working. There must be a lot of tutorials out there.
[06:45] <jah_raztah> ok i completley destroyed my ubuntu
[06:46] <jah_raztah> i installed a new version of a couple of libraries
[06:46] <jah_raztah> like gc
[06:46] <jah_raztah> gcc*
[06:46] <jah_raztah> and cpp
[06:46] <jah_raztah> and then i got an error saying there are broken packages
[06:46] <jah_raztah> so i removed the original older versions
[06:47] <jah_raztah> and then with those older lib a shit load of ubuntu programs go un-installed
[06:47] <intelikey> and thing are still broken
[06:47] <kapputu> where is xorg.conf located?
[06:47] <jah_raztah> like i don't have gnome
[06:47] <jah_raztah> i think i have x
[06:47] <kapputu> is there any application edit it or change the configuration settings?
[06:47] <intelikey> kapputu /etc/X11/
[06:47] <intelikey> kapputu yes
[06:47] <jah_raztah> now there is nothign left to be broken
[06:47] <kapputu> intelikey, which app?
[06:48] <intelikey> xorgconfig maybe
[06:48] <jah_raztah> all this just to install wxmaxima
[06:48] <jah_raztah> in my /usr/bin there are 4 files
[06:48] <kapputu> intelikey, no such app
[06:48] <intelikey> you can use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' to rework it also
[06:48] <jah_raztah> xchat is one
[06:49] <jah_raztah> anyone can help me please
[06:49] <intelikey> xorgcfg ?
[06:49] <jah_raztah> i can't even run anything there is gnome panel
[06:49] <kapputu> nope
[06:49] <jah_raztah> and ALT+F2 doesn't bring the run window
[06:50] <intelikey> you can use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg '
[06:50] <jah_raztah> i can only access console / terminal by pressing ctr+alt+F4
[06:51] <jah_raztah> Dr_Willis: you helped me before
[06:51] <jah_raztah> Dr_Willis: please help me
[06:51] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Do killall gnome-panel
[06:52] <jah_raztah> no point
[06:52] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: It will then restart itsself
[06:52] <jah_raztah> there is no gnome
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> jah_raztah,  i think you managed to muck things up very well... :P
[06:52] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Well what are you trying to do?
[06:52] <z|bandito> hi
[06:52] <jah_raztah> there is nothing
[06:52] <me|ong> jah_raztah
[06:52] <jah_raztah> all i have is X
[06:52] <intelikey> jah_raztah what are you trying to do ?
[06:52] <z|bandito> whats the proper syntax for running badblocks on hda1 ?
[06:52] <me|ong> do it
[06:52] <jah_raztah> i f*ked up
[06:52] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:52] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: *** sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:52] <jah_raztah> SEJeff i no longer have gdm either
[06:52] <z|bandito> I've got an unstable system now, and I ran a memtest and it cycled 10 times without error...
[06:53] <jah_raztah> or terminal
[06:53] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gdm
[06:53] <z|bandito> is there a vram test included with ubuntu?  or how to run badblocks?  thanks! :)
[06:53] <me|ong> z|bandito
[06:53] <Razor-X> me|ong: I'm plagued to use ICQ/AIM only because I'm 15
[06:53] <me|ong> what type of unstable?
[06:53] <Razor-X> me|ong: and every single person uses it
[06:53] <intelikey> ah jah_raztah you need somekind of desktop environment to run in X    like xfce4 or fluxbox or icewm ....
[06:53] <me|ong> Razor-X lol
[06:53] <me|ong> dude
[06:53] <me|ong> you can still use
[06:53] <jah_raztah> i know
[06:53] <me|ong> its just my opinion
[06:53] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Did you try what I said?
[06:54] <z|bandito> it freezes hard, sometimes at screensaver, sometimes just in the desktop gui ... ubuntu hoary, it's current ..
[06:54] <Razor-X> me|ong: of course, I use IRC much more often
[06:54] <jah_raztah> yes SEJeff
[06:54] <jah_raztah> i get a bunch dependcies error
[06:54] <me|ong> z|
[06:54] <me|ong> vid card probs then
[06:54] <jah_raztah> saying it won't be installed because of something
[06:55] <z|bandito> is there  a way I can run a test on the memory and have it stay out of bad memory?  it's onboard graphics... :/
[06:55] <jah_raztah> ok i have to explain again... 80% of what comes in ubuntu breezy default is wiped out from my computer
[06:55] <me|ong> z|
[06:55] <jah_raztah> i can't install them because of certain libraries persent
[06:55] <me|ong> then it might be yoru mobo dying
[06:55] <jah_raztah> does that make sense?
[06:56] <intelikey> yes it does.   not sure that we can help you with that though jah_raztah
[06:56] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: What did you do to break your system?
[06:56] <me|ong> he tried to isntall something
[06:56] <me|ong> screwed up
[06:56] <z|bandito> I saw some corrosion on what appeared to be vram chips when I had it open
[06:56] <z|bandito> ;/
[06:56] <me|ong> so he tried uninstalling it.. but it uninstalled the legacy stuff
[06:56] <me|ong> so it took it ALL out
[06:56] <me|ong> ouch
[06:57] <me|ong> i think your mobo might have had a bad shock dude
[06:57] <SEJeff> jah_raztah, Try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Tell me if that works
[06:57] <jah_raztah> tried already
[06:57] <jah_raztah> it won't
[06:57] <intelikey> or someone sweeted in it
[06:57] <intelikey> errr sweted
[06:58] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: What packages are giving you errors?
[06:58] <jah_raztah> how do i find out
[06:58] <jah_raztah> apt-get -f install?
[06:58] <z|bandito> sweated
[06:59] <z|bandito> highly saline air here
[06:59] <z|bandito> stuff corrodes like mad
[06:59] <z|bandito> i've had a bunch of video cards with a bad solder wash that went bad due to corrosion on various IC's
[06:59] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: What errors do you get when you try to install ubuntu-desktop?
[06:59] <me|ong> :S
[07:00] <jah_raztah> it shows a bunch of unmet dependencies
[07:00] <jah_raztah> ok let me tell u what caused this
[07:00] <jah_raztah> i was trying to install a program
[07:00] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: please do
[07:01] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: You need to be specific. I installed a program doesn't help me help you
[07:01] <jah_raztah> and the libraries required for program were newer then those on breezy
[07:01] <me|ong> so you got scred on the vid card
[07:01] <me|ong> :P
[07:01] <jah_raztah> for gcc and cpp and libstdc++
[07:01] <intelikey> one drop of sweat and  ! bang !  rust on the board.
[07:01] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: So you installed the ones from dapper manually?
[07:01] <jah_raztah> no
[07:01] <jah_raztah> i installed them from the debain website
[07:01] <jah_raztah> downloaded the .deb
[07:01] <jah_raztah> and installed them
[07:01] <intelikey> AH HA
[07:01] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: aaahhh!
[07:02] <intelikey> put the install cd in the drive and reboot.
[07:02] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: I guess you decided to ignore the fact that ubuntu is not binary compatible with many debian packages
[07:03] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Reinstall
[07:03] <jah_raztah> breezy?
[07:03] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: If you insist on newer packages, try dapper
[07:03] <jah_raztah> ohh
[07:03] <jah_raztah> can i do that still
[07:03] <jah_raztah> like added the drapper repos
[07:03] <jah_raztah> adn update
[07:03] <jah_raztah> and hope for it work?
[07:03] <me|ong> jah_raztah
[07:03] <SEJeff> It's possible
[07:03] <jah_raztah> ye?
[07:04] <jah_raztah> ok i have no firefox
[07:04] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: But you would be best to reinstall
[07:04] <me|ong> i think in your case.. to make your life easier.. just reinstal your ubuntu heh
[07:04] <jah_raztah> so i need u to message be the repos
[07:04] <jah_raztah> i can't re-install breezy
[07:04] <jah_raztah> i have no cd
[07:04] <me|ong> lol
[07:04] <jah_raztah> i have no firefox
[07:04] <me|ong> how can you not have a cd?
[07:04] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: Use wget to download the iso
[07:04] <jah_raztah> how do i burn it
[07:04] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: And then use cdrecord to burn the iso
[07:04] <jah_raztah> i can't install any of thos eprograms
[07:04] <intelikey> wget jah_raztah ?
[07:04] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: They should be installed already
[07:05] <jah_raztah> ok
[07:05] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: wget and cdrecord come standard
[07:05] <me|ong> SEJeff
[07:05] <jah_raztah> i have wget
[07:05] <jah_raztah> and cdrecord
[07:05] <jah_raztah> but i want to give the drapper idea a try
[07:05] <Razor-X> after my torrent finishes, i'm going to upgrade from Hoary to Dapper
[07:05] <thewayofzen> when opening a VCD in mplayer it opens but i get an error saying   "ioctl dif1: Invalid argument"
[07:05] <Razor-X> and pray that my custom compilations don't break
[07:05] <me|ong> Hoary?
[07:05] <me|ong> daooer?
[07:05] <Razor-X> me|ong: yeahp
[07:06] <thewayofzen> anyone know anything about it.. im assuming it has to do with the /dev/dvd cause i dont have a dvd rom
[07:06] <Razor-X> errr, Drapper
[07:06] <me|ong> yeah lol sry
[07:06] <me|ong> havnt been in this awhile
[07:06] <jah_raztah> intelikey i don't how anything is working at this moment
[07:06] <me|ong> what are they?
[07:06] <jah_raztah> i have to give xchat a round of applause
[07:06] <jah_raztah> sice it's working
[07:06] <misfit_toy> it's "Dapper" as in the "Dapper Drake"
[07:06] <mustard5> hey synapsis :)
[07:07] <jah_raztah> along with some of the other packages i complied
[07:07] <glick> linux should use statically built stuff
[07:07] <synapsis> mustard5, hey!  made it back on =P.  what channel are you in though
[07:07] <mustard5> synapsis, /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:07] <intelikey> was maybe already running at the time of the crash ?
[07:07] <glick> all these libs and stuff means dependancy hell
[07:07] <glick> which is why you need tools like apt in the first place
[07:07] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: wget http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/20051111.2/dapper-install-i386.iso
[07:07] <jah_raztah> SEJeff can't do it through repositories?
[07:07] <Razor-X> oh, *see*, it's dapper!
[07:08] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: You mixed debian with ubuntu. You need to reinstall
[07:08] <me|ong> and what is dapper lol
[07:08] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: if you just update to dapper, things will likely still be broken
[07:08] <SEJeff> me|ong: The development release of ubuntu
[07:08] <misfit_toy> "dapper" means kinda "dressed up"
[07:08] <jah_raztah> i have to back up my home folder first
[07:08] <me|ong> ohhh
[07:08] <me|ong> shit.. i thought it was soemthign built into linux or an app of sorts lol
[07:09] <asad2005> I have a problem with mouse scroll, xorg.conf seems to have the right enteries ImPS/2
[07:10] <Razor-X> I have mixed a bit of Debian with Ubuntu, but only ratpoison and one other thing, IIRC
[07:10] <misfit_toy> me|ong, "dapper drake" is the next release of Ubuntu linux
[07:10] <jah_raztah> what is a good terminal program other then gnome-terminal which allows copy paste
[07:10] <snowowl> can someone tell me how to get to my network config app
[07:10] <misfit_toy> night all
[07:10] <Razor-X> my real concern is how my compiled apps will behave after the upgrade
[07:10] <me|ong> yeah i got that now
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> jah_raztah,  about all of them. :P xterm, rxvt, eterm, 'Terminal', xfce-terminal,
[07:11] <intelikey> asad2005 maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg '   and enable scrolling when it asks ?
[07:11] <sambagirl> i am trying to install vistaemr software. how do you start the sql ?
[07:11] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: I'm agreeing with Razor-X. You need to reinstall
[07:11] <jah_raztah> i tried aterm
[07:11] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: And you need to forget the command apt-get -f
[07:11] <Razor-X> stuff like mplayer and centericq may break -_-
[07:11] <SEJeff> jah_raztah: xterm, rxvt, konsole
[07:11] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: I prefer urxvt, personally
[07:11] <Razor-X> but Konsole is a close second
[07:11] <me|ong> heh kde
[07:12] <SEJeff> Razor-X: I prefer gnome-terminal. It is slow, but i like the tabs and profiles
[07:12] <me|ong> can you install KDE on ubuntu?
[07:12] <anathema_> hey does anyone in here use a a7n8x-e ?
[07:12] <anathema_> my hdd LED doesnt work in ubuntu
[07:12] <anathema_> for serial ata drive
[07:12] <SEJeff> me|ong: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[07:12] <me|ong> lol
[07:12] <me|ong> anathema_
[07:12] <anathema_> can anyone help?
[07:12] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: you can try Gnome-terminal, xfce-terminal, rxvt, urxvt, XTerm, mlterm, pterm, pTerm, Eterm, aterm, and others
[07:12] <me|ong> thats hardware
[07:12] <sambagirl> i am installing vistaEMR software.  do i need to start sql or is it always running or what?
[07:12] <anathema_> well
[07:12] <anathema_> not really
[07:12] <anathema_> it works in windows just fine
[07:12] <anathema_> the LED i mean
[07:13] <me|ong> really? didnt know it was included
[07:13] <me|ong> well thats cool :)
[07:13] <anathema_> so must be something to do with ubuntu or the module or somethign
[07:13] <sambagirl> this is such a simple question but i cannot get an answer. this is so frustrating.
[07:13] <l33txp> I'm trying to create a partition for my Ubuntu install... I'm using Partition Magic 8.0.... What do I use? "Linux Ext2 , Linux Ext3, or Linux Swap"
[07:13] <anathema_> just wondering if there is a way to fix
[07:13] <me|ong> im still trying to get familiar with box guis... see which one i really like better
[07:13] <anathema_> l33txp: ext3
[07:13] <l33txp> k
[07:13] <anathema_> but make a half gig or so linux swap too
[07:13] <SEJeff> l33txp: ext3
[07:14] <anathema_> its always good to have swap
[07:14] <me|ong> Linux Ext3
[07:14] <cfa> any1 know how to install or use a file with "......._all.deb"
[07:14] <Razor-X> me|ong: Fluxbox refused to work on my box, along with XFce
[07:14] <intelikey> sambagirl cause no one in here atm knows .....
[07:14] <Razor-X> I decided to try ratpoison, and got hooked to its simplicity and concept
[07:14] <cafuego_> cfa: sudo dpkg -i ......_all.deb
[07:14] <me|ong> ratpoison eh?
[07:15] <SEJeff> Razor-X: Ever tried ion3?
[07:15] <anathema_> knows what? whats her question
[07:15] <cfa> cafuego thanx
[07:15] <Razor-X> SEJeff: I hear it's something like EvilWM, no?
[07:15] <SEJeff> Razor-X: Never used evil. My wm choices in order: gnome --> openbox --> ion3
[07:15] <Razor-X> I don't know if I could adjust back to a more conventional WM, I have C-t shortcuts up the brain
[07:15] <me|ong> alll i knwo is i like desktop space and costomizable taskbars.. also moveable
[07:15] <tga> ug.ro
[07:15] <sambagirl> atm?
[07:16] <intelikey> at the moment
[07:16] <sambagirl> what means atm?
[07:16] <Razor-X> and a lot of my hacks (like copy/paste to clipboard from urxvt) is based on the convenience of ratpoison binds
[07:16] <sambagirl> like debit machien?
[07:16] <SEJeff> sambagirl: at the moment
[07:16] <l33txp> Create the Swap before the Ext3?
[07:16] <Razor-X> sambagirl: ``at the moment''
[07:16] <sambagirl> ahho ok
[07:16] <sambagirl> ok thanks
[07:16] <jah_raztah> rxvt doesn't allow copying or pasting
[07:16] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: it does
[07:16] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: it has a very particular caveat though, which i've hacked at so that it doesen't bother me anymore
[07:17] <jah_raztah> how do I?
[07:17] <jah_raztah> i type ctrl + c
[07:17] <jah_raztah> i mean press
[07:17] <jah_raztah> and i do ctrl + v
[07:17] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: C-c almost never works
[07:17] <sambagirl> i am trying to install this medical software for this pc to test that is being given as open source by the government for electreonic medical records stuff and i just have a clue with it. maybe ubuntu is not the right environment for this i haev no clue. all i know is i dont know.
[07:17] <Razor-X> jah_raztah: highlight the thing and left-click, the selection should disappear
[07:17] <jah_raztah> ok i need one that works
[07:18] <jah_raztah> doesn't work
[07:18] <Razor-X> to paste inside urxvt again use Middle mouse button (or Mouse 2)
[07:18] <jah_raztah> ohh ic
[07:18] <Razor-X> C-c works with very few terminal emulators, I meant
[07:18] <jah_raztah> ok i need to knowa  simple small webbrowser i can install
[07:18] <SEJeff> sambagirl: Try out openvista
[07:18] <Razor-X> (because C-c is generally the shell interrupt command)
[07:18] <jah_raztah> firefox won't work
[07:18] <me|ong> whats urxvt?
[07:18] <SEJeff> !urxvt
[07:18] <ubotu> Not a clue, SEJeff
[07:18] <Razor-X> me|ong: also known as rxvt-unicode
[07:19] <me|ong> still no go..
[07:19] <Razor-X> me|ong: oh, meh, I thought it obvious by the name
[07:19] <Razor-X> it's rxvt with better unicode support, among other things
[07:19] <me|ong> heh... if its used for programming i have no clue
[07:19] <me|ong> im a net admin more than anything
[07:19] <intelikey> sambagirl usually someone good with networking around, but not always.   so if you ask and no one answers right away try again in 30 minutes or so.     and ubuntu should be as good as any open source for that yes.    but knowing the basics about linux will be a must.
[07:19] <SEJeff> me|ong: It is a lightweight terminal
[07:19] <me|ong> coo
[07:19] <Razor-X> a little terminal emulator lesson (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, Linux gurus) for all:
[07:20] <Razor-X> you have XTerm as one of the first terminal emulators, and almost everything was based off that
[07:20] <l33txp> Is there any printed books that would be good to have around about Linux?? Ubuntu?
[07:20] <me|ong> oh wait..
[07:20] <Razor-X> rxvt is a lighter version of XTerm, and another deviation along that same path is urxvt
[07:20] <me|ong> actually
[07:20] <me|ong> would i use this to terminal into lets say a cisco router?
[07:20] <sambagirl> well intelikey it says To run OpenEMR, MySQL and Apache or another PHP-capable webserver must be configured.
[07:20] <Razor-X> stuff like Konsole and Gnome-Terminal all originate from XTerm, i'm pretty sure
[07:20] <Razor-X> me|ong: you could use it for anything a tty can do
[07:20] <sambagirl> i have all that included withj ubuntu, no?
[07:21] <me|ong> oh nice
[07:21] <Razor-X> only with X pretty-ness :)
[07:21] <sambagirl> but how do i start them?
[07:21] <me|ong> i want :)
[07:21] <me|ong> i have to find soemthgin to use TTY for a cisco router
[07:21] <me|ong> i have a 2505 router right now i wanted to play with... see if i can configure each hub port seperately or if im pooched hehe
[07:21] <sambagirl> bye
[07:21] <Razor-X> heh
[07:22] <intelikey> you couldn't hand someone a pc with windows on it and say "here set us up a database server on this" and expect them to do much if they had never used windows before.    yes that is all in ubuntu.
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> reinstalling hoart fixed all my problems!!!
[07:22] <Razor-X> have fun leafing through man pages, me|ong
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> hoary even
[07:22] <me|ong> leafting?
[07:22] <me|ong> through what pages?
[07:22] <Razor-X> me|ong: leafing
[07:22] <Razor-X> meh
[07:22] <varsendagger> has anyone gotten rosegarden4 to work?
[07:22] <me|ong> cisco shit
[07:22] <me|ong> im going to school for it.. im currently taking CCNP4 :)
[07:22] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: yes
[07:23] <Razor-X> the best way to configure XTerm and rxvt is to read the manual page
[07:23] <me|ong> ohhh
[07:23] <me|ong> that
[07:23] <me|ong> hmm
[07:23] <me|ong> well waht would you suggest for what i want to do?
[07:23] <Madpilot> sambagirl: installing Apache/PHP/MySQL isn't that hard - learning to use them is the difficult part
[07:23] <Madpilot> !tell sambagirl about apache
[07:23] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, how, i ahve sequencer errores everytime
[07:23] <Razor-X> me|ong: depends on your resources
[07:24] <sambagirl> An error occurred while loading http://localhost/openemr/setup.php: Could not connect to host localhost.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: I used timidity in server mode to make it work here: I have a crappy onboard sound card
[07:24] <Razor-X> me|ong: urxvt is nice and lightweight and uses xft's, so it's perfect for me
[07:24] <sambagirl> does this mean the servers things are not running?
[07:24] <Razor-X> it can even be compiled to use a background pixmap
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to install icon themes at the system level as root, instead of as a user?
[07:24] <me|ong> i just need a basic console program that allows ctrl c and v
[07:24] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: basically you run timidity as a daemon, and that allows rosegarden to connect
[07:24] <varsendagger> what is timidity?
[07:24] <me|ong> cisco GUI is pretty much like dos prompt
[07:25] <Razor-X> me|ong: Ctrl+C won't work in almost any terminal emulator, as I said before
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> me|ong use ctrl-shift-c and ctrl-shift-v in gnome-terminal
[07:25] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: it's a midi player
[07:25] <varsendagger> gust type timidity
[07:25] <me|ong> or any real command router
[07:25] <me|ong> hmm
[07:25] <varsendagger> if i have it installed
[07:25] <SEJeff> sambagirl: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[07:25] <thoreauputic> varsendagger:  sudo apt-get install freepats timidity
[07:25] <Madpilot> sambagirl: probably. none of the Apache/PHP/etc stuff is installed by default in Ubuntu
[07:25] <Razor-X> me|ong: only because C-c is mapped to interrupt in most UNIX stuff
[07:25] <me|ong> hmm
[07:25] <me|ong> well i mena a menu to
[07:26] <me|ong> like you ever use teraterm?
[07:26] <me|ong> or windows hyper terminal?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: timidity is a commandline app unless you install timidity-interfaces-extra
[07:26] <varsendagger> my rosegarden whats to start JACK
[07:26] <Razor-X> me|ong: ... heh, I only use Putty in Windows
[07:26] <me|ong> lol dang
[07:26] <SEJeff> !enter
[07:26] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[07:26] <me|ong> well its just a quick menu up top.. like "Edit>PAste"
[07:27] <me|ong> then it pastes text ive copied into the window as if i typed it
[07:27] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: have a look here http://linux-sound.org/
[07:27] <me|ong> saves AGES on typing commands forever when i can just make a text file configuration then paste ;)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: and on the wiki there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[07:27] <Razor-X> me|ong: oh yeah, Konsole and Gnome-Terminal work with that
[07:28] <tiann> this new breeze installation interface sucks. the installing package stage is not like the hooray at all and i can't see exactly what it is being installed and where it hangs.
[07:28] <me|ong> oh
[07:28] <me|ong> right on then :)
[07:28] <Razor-X> but then, I never use that, emacs and most SH based shells in general support using kill-ring commands, so once you get used to that, it becomes a breeze
[07:28] <varsendagger> is this going to be a long and involved process
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> where did the gperfection2 icon theme go?!
[07:28] <sambagirl> thank you for the command to start the thing.
[07:28] <Razor-X> 3 months of learning to use the kill ring broke about 8 years of C-c and C-v
[07:28] <SEJeff> sambagirl: Did that work?
[07:28] <SEJeff> Razor-X: kill ring?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> !midi
[07:29] <ubotu> it has been said that midi is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[07:29] <Razor-X> SEJeff: :( am I using emacs speak?
[07:29] <SEJeff> Razor-X: You are
[07:29] <Razor-X> in emacs, using C-k and C-y uses the kill wring
[07:29] <SEJeff> Razor-X: Never used emacs. I broke my teeth on vi years ago
[07:29] <Razor-X> BASH supports it by default, but I don't know the non-emacs terminology behind it
[07:29] <sambagirl> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache2: command not found
[07:29] <SEJeff> Razor-X: So you have one of the infamous "emacs claws"
[07:29] <Razor-X> SEJeff: I initially picked up vi, but never religiously
[07:30] <sambagirl> the command i used is not valid?
[07:30] <SEJeff> sambagirl: sudo apt-get install apache2 and then do that command again
[07:30] <Razor-X> SEJeff: oh yes, of course
[07:30] <Razor-X> infuriating I can't use it in certain X apps
[07:30] <SEJeff> sambagirl: You need to have a webserver installed
[07:30] <snowowl> k
[07:30] <Razor-X> C-f, C-p, C-v, M-v, the works :P
[07:30] <SEJeff> Razor-X: :screwemacs!
[07:30] <sambagirl> ok
[07:30] <vladuz976> hey anybody know what to do when at firefox start the window
[07:30] <vladuz976>                    pops up that ask you for what profile to choose? i have
[07:30] <vladuz976>                    actually no firefox processes running, so i don't know why i
[07:30] <Razor-X> SEJeff: :P
[07:30] <vladuz976>                    get that
[07:30] <sambagirl> so i can use synamptic to install it?
[07:30] <vladuz976> hmmm sorry
[07:31] <Razor-X> M-x kill-vi
[07:31] <SEJeff> sambagirl: yes, install apache2
[07:31] <intelikey> yep sambagirl
[07:31] <vladuz976> anybody have taht firefox startup problem?
[07:31] <sambagirl> now that i install KDE i cannot find synamptic anymore.
[07:31] <SEJeff> Razor-X: :!sudo killall emacs richard-stallman
[07:31] <varsendagger> my firefox seems slow
[07:31] <SEJeff> sambagirl: kpackage
[07:31] <Razor-X> SEJeff: ..... *GASP*
[07:31] <Razor-X> you can hate emacs but.... Richard Stallman?!
[07:31] <Razor-X> he *made* GNU
[07:32] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/installation.html
[07:32] <SEJeff> Razor-X: The gpl is written. He is done and he stinks
[07:32] <Razor-X> if it wasn't for Stallman, you probably wouldn't be here!
[07:32] <SEJeff> Razor-X: Wrong.
[07:32] <sambagirl> kynaptic instead of synaptic?
[07:32] <SEJeff> Razor-X: If it wasn't for stallman, I would be a Unix Admin, not a Unix / Linux admin
[07:32] <tdn_> How do I upgrade from Ubuntu 5.04 to 5.10?
[07:32] <Razor-X> SEJeff: exactly, you wouldn't be in #ubuntu
[07:32] <Razor-X> :)
[07:32] <Razor-X> because there would be no #ubuntu
[07:32] <thoreauputic> !tell tdn_ about breezy
[07:33] <darksoul> what program can i use to encrypt a entire partion
[07:33] <Razor-X> I doubt Linus Torvalds would have acheived anything special without GNU
[07:33] <Razor-X> and the same with GNU
[07:33] <darksoul> why do you like gnome more then kde?..
[07:33] <SEJeff> Razor-X: I was joking. RMS stinks as he has hydrophobia
[07:34] <SEJeff> Razor-X: And he does all of his conferences barefoot. Very very odd bird
[07:34] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:34] <Razor-X> SEJeff: :)
[07:34] <sealfish> qc
[07:34] <Razor-X> I wouldn't doubt that
[07:34] <Razor-X> I mean, Aristotle ran throughout the city naked after he figured out his problem
[07:34] <varsendagger> darksoul, because they makde ubuntu standard with gnome
[07:34] <Razor-X> and thanks to him, we have the basis of hydrostatics :)
[07:34] <SEJeff> Razor-X: He had a girlfriend once that forced him to take weekly showers, but he got rid of her :)
[07:34] <Razor-X> SEJeff: mmm, my mom makes me do that
[07:35] <Razor-X> I'm not that bad though, I tend to do it weekly, my mom forces me to do it more :)
[07:35] <SEJeff> darksoul: gnome is simpler and cleaner. If you want to see all of the flashy colors and have 50 million preferences, use kde. If you want to get work done, use gnome
[07:35] <intelikey> too much bathing will weeken ya
[07:36] <Razor-X> I would not want to live with someone who will make me bathe or become clean, that would not be pleasurable, but enough of this, this is eclecting too much into the domain of #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:36] <sealfish> exit
[07:36] <SEJeff> Razor-X: I am fanatical about hygeine
[07:36] <Razor-X> SEJeff: mmmm, have fun at that, I heard a lot of OCDs also like hygeine :P
[07:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i install in icon theme to /usr/share/icons instead of to my home directory?
[07:36] <Razor-X> (nothing against OCDs, they just scare me, since they contrast my lazy self)
[07:36] <SEJeff> Razor-X: I'm not OCD, I just don't like having greasy hair. It feely nasty
[07:37] <SEJeff> s/feely/feels/
[07:37] <SEJeff> Razor-X: How long have you used linux
[07:37] <Razor-X> SEJeff: it's easy to ignore, especially when you already have a lot of pimples on your face thanks to raging hormones, and ever-present bags underneath your eyes thanks to allergies and an aversion to sleep
[07:37] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  could install it as a user.. then as root copy the files over.. and change the owensrship
[07:37] <Razor-X> SEJeff: 6 years, my last 2 years have been the most concentrated usage, though
[07:38] <SEJeff> Razor-X: You mean you started using linux when you were 9?
[07:39] <SEJeff> Razor-X: And 2 1/2 years ago was when the major linux desktop focus started
[07:39] <intelikey>  /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis but then how to i install it so that theme manager sees it?
[07:39] <Razor-X> SEJeff: wow, I shouldn't have sleptover that long, change that to 4 years
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: actually your reference to Aristotle should have been to Archimedes :)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> it was Archimedes who ran from the public bath naked shouting "Eureka!"
[07:41] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: my bad
[07:41] <Razor-X> like I said, I should've slept
[07:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:41] <sambagirl> y
[07:41] <Razor-X> i'm on my 5th shot of caffeine, IIRC
[07:41] <sambagirl> how do you start apache2 again? i installed it i think
[07:41] <SEJeff> sambagirl: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[07:42] <sambagirl> it does not work SEJeff
[07:42] <Madpilot> sambagirl: ubotu should have sent you a msg w/ a URL - that's got info on stopping/starting/restarting Apache, along with a lot of other info
[07:42] <sambagirl> ahh it works this time :)
[07:42] <jessid_> hello...is it possible to set the amount of lines the central wheel of the mouse can move??
[07:42] <malv> what do you guys think of this 1-day redesign of Debian.org http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~macchiea/download.html ?
[07:43] <intelikey> jessid_ in what env ?
[07:43] <intelikey> and yes it is.
[07:43] <SEJeff> malv: thats nice, you should post that on the mailinglists
[07:43] <sambagirl> ahh ok i thought it was someone trying to chat privately or something.
[07:44] <jessid_> intelikey do you mean if i use gnome, kde, etc...if so I use gnome
[07:44] <malv> SEJeff: thanks, its actually for a technical communications class
[07:44] <thoreauputic> malv: it's an improvement :) But rather off-topic here I guess
[07:44] <SEJeff> malv: You should still post it, it might be accepted
[07:44] <malv> yea, just wondering =)
[07:44] <intelikey> yes i meant that jessid_ but i don't use gnome, sorry i can't tell you how.
[07:45] <jessid_> intelikey ok...thanks...by the way, what do you use?
[07:45] <intelikey> ? changing mouse settings in gnome
[07:46] <OptiPlex> heh, I HAVE to use gnome.. i didn't use shipit to get kubuntu lol
[07:46] <intelikey> fluxbox kde and xfce   mostly kde jessid_
[07:46] <jessid_> intelikey i havent heard of fluxbox...is it good?
[07:47] <hugo_> hello
[07:47] <thoreauputic> !fluxbox
[07:47] <ubotu> somebody said fluxbox was forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or the new blackbox, with antialias, better menu, etc.
[07:47] <Xenguy> I just tried a bunch of 'light-weight' window managers (openbox, fluxbox, icewm, wmaker)...
[07:47] <intelikey> OptiPlex no you don't have to, you can install fluxbox over a dialup connection.   i did it two days ago,
[07:47] <Xenguy> and frankly, I cannot see major performance gains over xfce4...
[07:47] <hugo_> what is the cmd for install a .deb?
[07:47] <Xenguy> which actually rather amazes me :-)
[07:47] <agtnz> I luv xfce
[07:47] <intelikey> jessid_ if you need light weight yes flux is very good.
[07:47] <keikoz> hugo_ dpkg -i file.deb
[07:48] <hugo_> ty
[07:48] <OptiPlex> heh, I have about 4 more hours to use this connection :]
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: xfce4 is indeed pretty efficient
[07:48] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I was really surprised - I thought openbox or icewm would wipe the floor, y'know?
[07:48] <jessid_> intelikey ok...thanks...may be it is good for servers...I guess
[07:48] <intelikey> OptiPlex so install it right quick and if you don't like you can ditch it later.
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: takes longer to start than fluxbox though, understandably
[07:48] <OptiPlex> maybe if I can get my emulator downloaded within the hour, I might grab flux. also, are there any other good blackbox clones that you folks have tried? :]
[07:49] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: but not that much (at least on this hardware)
[07:49] <intelikey> yes if you want a gui on a server flux would work fine.
[07:49] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: openbox is worth a look...
[07:49] <OptiPlex> is it in universe/multiverse? I havent even looked lol
[07:49] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: depends if you start gnome and/or KDE services with xfce4, mostly
[07:49] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: actually leaner than flux AFAICT
[07:49] <BlackDalek> hello!
[07:50] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: hrm, I don't think I am doing that
[07:50] <BlackDalek> what is minimum sys requirements to install ubuntu linux?
[07:50] <OptiPlex> omg, I tried icewm on SuSE on pc, it scared me
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: well, it's an option (if you have gnome or KDE installed)
[07:50] <hugo_> Help I've some problem with skype
[07:51] <mustard5> hugo_, what is your issue with skype?
[07:51] <hugo_> simple he wont start
[07:51] <mustard5> hugo_, it has a long delay starting btw
[07:51] <intelikey> BlackDalek for the installer to work you have to have about 48m ram and 250m free hd    but it can be installed manually on a 486 with 24m ram and 124m hd.
[07:51] <hugo_> btw?
[07:51] <mustard5> hugo_, it takes 20 seconds to load up for me
[07:51] <hugo_> hum ok
[07:52] <mustard5> hugo_, where did you install it from?
[07:52] <OptiPlex> Xenguy: is there an 'easy' way to pick wm at boot?
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone understand how keymaps work now in breezy?  the keymap files all end in .gz
[07:52] <hugo_> .deb pack
[07:52] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: yes...
[07:52] <mustard5> hugo_, k
[07:52] <OptiPlex> :]
[07:52] <mustard5> hugo_, it doesnt like other sound devices running either
[07:52] <hugo_> hum I restart X
[07:52] <hugo_> no
[07:52] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: disable gdm from starting up, then insert 'exec yourfavouritewindowmanger' into ~/.xsession
[07:52] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: basically
[07:52] <tiann> the ubuntu installation didn't ask me to setup root , and now how do i become root ??
[07:53] <intelikey> BROKEN_LADDER that just means they are gzip compressed
[07:53] <BlackDalek> i put together some old computer bits to try ubuntu. I only had a spare 3Gb hard disk. It froze up during the install, then I rebooted and it gave me some spiel about installing some programs failed, then went into some command/console type thing
[07:53] <thoreauputic> !tell tiann about root
[07:53] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: hrm, maybe that solution didn't match your question
[07:53] <hugo_> Hum back but I've start skype
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> intelikey but they are completely different files in different locations.  is ubuntu back to using xmodmap?
[07:54] <OptiPlex> hm, like you do in FreeBSD? "gnome-session" "startkde"?
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> hugo_ screw skype.
[07:54] <tiann> thoreauputic: thanks
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is proprietary
[07:54] <OptiPlex> just add exec... boy thats easy :]
[07:54] <thoreauputic> tiann: np :)
[07:54] <hugo_> I remember in the dpkg I see some errors
[07:54] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: you can easily switch between kde, gnome, and xfce4 with gdm activated tho (if you don't want other options)
[07:54] <intelikey> BROKEN_LADDER idk
[07:55] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: sadly, there is almost no viable alternative, there are alternatives, but they aren't very effecient
[07:55] <OptiPlex> actually I dont hate gnome too bad, the only thing that pisses me off about hoary is that it screws up my screen orientation a bit
[07:55] <OptiPlex> and i have to use xvidtune every time I boot
[07:55] <Madpilot> OptiPlex: filed a bug about that?
[07:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X alternative to WHAT?
[07:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X xorg had switched to xkb.
[07:56] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: skype
[07:56] <OptiPlex> nah not yet, im not too motivated to do that tonight due to low bandwidth :[
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X there is sip!
[07:56] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: is it very effecient?
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X http://gizmoproject.com/ uses sip.  sip is an open protocol.  you can call me on my sip phone sitting right here on my desk.
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> efficient?
[07:56] <Xenguy> sorry I can't handle all cap nicks
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> read about session initiation protocol.
[07:56] <OptiPlex> then again, this is on an imac so I guess it's not THAT big a deal lol
[07:56] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: does it use a similar concept as Skype?
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X it uses a better concept.
[07:57] <hugo_> I remember in the dpkg I see some errors
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X it's not proprietary.
[07:57] <Razor-X> the very basis of Skype's traffic sharing gives it a natural edge over most other implementations
[07:57] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: *gasp* it's not proprietary
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X with sip, you can use ANY SERVER you want to.  so<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can call<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:57] <mustard5> hugo_, ok have you used pastebin before?
[07:57] <mustard5> ubotu: tell hugo_ about pastebin
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X that's right, it's not proprietary, unlike skype.
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype should be destroyed.
[07:57] <BlackDalek> when i was installing from the ubuntu install CD it asked me if I wanted to erase the drive, so I told it yes, then a while after that during progam installing it froze up. Was it a mistake to let it erase the disk?
[07:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> BlackDalek no
[07:58] <mustard5> hugo_, did you get a message from ubotu about the pastebin?
[07:58] <hugo_> pastebin?
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> does ubuntu use xmodmap or xkb?
[07:58] <mustard5> hugo_, paste your error messages here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl   and then show me the URL after you submit your pasted content
[07:58] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm not going to burst into flames if I use proprietary software :)
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X check out http://voipsupply.com/  they sell tons of sip phones.
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X it's not the software that is the problem.
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X it's the PROTOCOL
[07:59] <hugo_> I've no error msg
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> Razor-X if you use skype, you're just delaying the spread of sip, which is a real standard.  open and free.
[07:59] <ilba7r> I am tying to mount a floopy disk but breezy seems not to be able to recognize it. I am using gnome to do that any ideas?
[07:59] <mustard5> hugo_, the error message when you dpkg
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic text does not have volume. i don't believe that letters can annoy you unless you are just being pedantic.
[07:59] <Puiu> I did apt-get install selinux-policy*; then I changed my mind after and did apt-get remove selinux-policy
[08:00] <Xenguy> Until then BROKEN_LADDER is ignored here - sorry...
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> text is totally silent.
[08:00] <mustard5> hugo_, dpkg again and show me the error
[08:00] <BlackDalek> I have just rebooted and reformatted the hard drive. I'll give installing another go then come back here if anything strange happens this time.
[08:00] <ilba7r> do i have for example to specify that the floppy is dos formated
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, if you have some arbitrary dislike of capital letters, by all means ignore me.
[08:00] <Puiu> now when I try to boot I get a kernel panic...what to do?
[08:00] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: we've had this argument before - all caps = shouting, by convention...
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using an all caps font so i can't even see your lowercase silliness.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: it's called convention and protocol - whether you like it or not, people find caps annoying
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> thoreauputic that's stupid.
[08:00] <OptiPlex> mkdir /floppy
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> i find lowercase letters annoying and redundant
[08:01] <bnD> BROKEN_LADDER: how are they redundant?
[08:01] <OptiPlex> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy
[08:01] <OptiPlex> its easier in freebsd :[
[08:01] <kemik> lowercase letters are easier to read than Caps
[08:01] <Xenguy> fuck bsd
[08:01] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: sadly, in order to partake in society, one requires certain measures of social entrenchment
[08:01] <hugo_> (Lecture de la base de donnes... 59106 fichiers et rpertoires dj installs.)Prparation du remplacement de skype <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (en utilisant skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb) ...
[08:01] <hugo_> Dpaquetage de la mise  jour de skype ...
[08:01] <hugo_> dpkg: des problmes de dpendances empchent la configuration de skype:
[08:01] <hugo_>  skype dpend de libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:<IP_ADDRESS>); cependant:
[08:01] <hugo_>   Paquet libqt3c102-mt n'est pas install.
[08:01] <OptiPlex> heh, Im working on chapter 1 of my book :]
[08:01] <hugo_> dpkg: erreur de traitement de skype (--install):
[08:01] <ilba7r> will try that though floppy is under /mnt here
[08:01] <hugo_>  problmes de dpendances - laiss non configur
[08:01] <brownie17> Xenguy, language
[08:01] <hugo_> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[08:01] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: *shrug* if you want to be annoying I can just /ignore you so personally I don't really care
[08:01] <hugo_>  skype
[08:01] <aftertaf> hugo_: dont paste here
[08:01] <mustard5> hugo_, in the pastebin!
[08:01] <Xenguy> brownie17: aye
[08:01] <kemik> !fr
[08:01] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:01] <bnD> thats a lot of french
[08:01] <bnD> lol
[08:01] <hugo_> ok
[08:01] <_native_> Xenguy; what? about bsd to advanced for ya?
[08:02] <mustard5> hugo_, paste your error messages here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:02] <Razor-X> hugo_: parlez-vous anglais?
[08:02] <Xenguy> _native_: bah
[08:02] <aftertaf> hugo there is a different skype package for that problem.
[08:02] <OptiPlex> excerpt: If you've ever had the misfortune of hearing really bad mariachi music for several hours consecutively, then you understand how badly I wanted to take matters into my own hands and kick his ass back to Mexico.
[08:02] <OptiPlex> :]
[08:02] <Xenguy> take bsd to #bsd
[08:02] <Razor-X> Xenguy: exactly
[08:02] <Razor-X> I hate BSD so much, I don't use ``ps aux'' :)
[08:02] <_native_> Razor-X; shut up
[08:02] <Xenguy> heh
[08:03] <_native_> :)
[08:03] <intelikey> i dont either i use 'ps -A x '
[08:03] <Razor-X> _native_: :P
[08:03] <Xenguy> _native_: language :-)
[08:03] <_native_> i use ps axvu
[08:03] <_native_> :-P
[08:03] <mustard5> aftertaf, you up to helping hugo?
[08:03] <OptiPlex> :[
[08:03] <aftertaf> !skype
[08:03] <ubotu> somebody said skype was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:03] <thoreauputic> guys, BSD vs Linux wars in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[08:03] <Razor-X> _native_: so... much... BSDness! :)
[08:03] <Razor-X> but yeah, let's drop it
[08:03] <_native_> yeah
[08:03] <mustard5> aftertaf,  I have a feeling he won't see that :)
[08:04] <aftertaf> hugo_ regarde ce lien d'ubotu pour skype ;)
[08:04] <Xenguy> it's the wrong channel - end of story
[08:04] <mustard5> aftertaf, he's off at the pastebin atm ;)
[08:04] <OptiPlex> i swear though, a freebsd/ubuntu hybrid would be the best OS for ppc :]
[08:04] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: i'm slightly glad I don't wear your mantle on my shoulder, and my schooling cut into my hopes of becoming a big name in the #ubuntu community :)
[08:04] <aftertaf> !tell hugo_ about skype
[08:04] <Razor-X> aftertaf: :)
[08:04] <kemik> didnt hugo leave?
[08:04] <aftertaf> hehe Razor-X :)
[08:04] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: OK, I'll ignore you if you insist on bsd trolling
[08:04] <ilba7r> thanx optplex
[08:04] <mustard5> kemik, so he did :)
[08:04] <mustard5> kemik, I missed that
[08:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: hah - I'm hardly a big name - I just got asked to join up and be an op
[08:05] <OptiPlex> hm, i wonder what to write the next paragraph about
[08:05] <OptiPlex> ideas? :]
[08:05] <mustard5> aftertaf, is he in the other channel?
[08:05] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, but I don't have the time anymore to complete my documentation projects
[08:05] <aftertaf> thoreauputic: 12 letters tho, quite big ;)
[08:05] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: it's more fun not being one, I assure you
[08:05] <Razor-X> I still have my command-line guide in its early draft form
[08:05] <OptiPlex> uhh Xenguy: I was talking about my book
[08:05] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: it's a badge of pride, a 15 year old Linux channel op is pride enough for me
[08:05] <aftertaf> mustard5: still on freenode quelquepart ;)
[08:05] <OptiPlex> i1ba7r: did that work?
[08:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> crap, i meant breezy
[08:06] <Razor-X> all I really have time for now is for small essays, stuff like my Firefox article
[08:06] <mustard5> aftertaf, I just found in the french channel yeah :)
[08:06] <aftertaf> hehe will see if he go that link then.
[08:07] <OptiPlex> Razor-X: I wrote like 15 journals on random things, then my Mom casually says: "write some fiction." ..until then I hadn't thought much about that :]
[08:08] <pawan> I am getting crashes with my current breezy. Things freeze. I want to log stuff at a higher level. Do I tweak /etc/sysctl.conf to do that?
[08:08] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: my mom doesen't want me to write in general, she believes it a waste of time, but that's not a subject worth discussing here :P
[08:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone tell me whether breezy uses xkb or xmodmap?
[08:08] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I should rather focus my attention on schooling
[08:09] <OptiPlex> Razor-X: lol my old man told me playing guitar was a waste of time, it took me ten years to find out he was right
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> OptiPlex maybe he was wrong, and you just sold out.
[08:09] <yi> does anyone know where i could the the mozconf that ubuntu used for compiling firefox?
[08:10] <mustard5> aftertaf, heh..he left without answering doh!
[08:10] <aftertaf> pff
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> OptiPlex my family always derides me for moving to california to pursue a music career.  and every day i have to tell them, this is what i want to do with my life, so shut up
[08:10] <mustard5> aftertaf, ah well ..you tried:)
[08:10] <OptiPlex> Nah, I joined a band that was more concerned with drugs than music and did that for awhile and spend a few years recovering.
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know ANYTHING about keymaps in breezy?
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are all screwed up.
[08:10] <intelikey> BROKEN_LADDER less /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see what is under keyboard, it might give you a klew
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't find the uncompressed versions
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> intelikey i know which keymap it is.
[08:10] <durt> all the good music has already been invented, so just give up ;)
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just don't know how it's being accessed.
[08:11] <OptiPlex> personally, I'd rather write politically-motivated material
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> durt pfft
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> durt tell that to coldplay
[08:11] <OptiPlex> and teach people literature, so Im changing my major to English :]
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ophiocus a lot of my music is about encryption and politics.  big brother stuff
[08:11] <pawan> musicians should expect to stay broke. Like the starving artists of the 19th century.
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan not if they have the talent to make it.
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> god dammit
[08:11] <brownie17> BROKEN_LADDER, i have a friend precussionist, who specialises in timpanies and xylophone, who is 15, her dad told her she would never make it, and then she got into a college in the city, where they have a 99% success rating for gettings jobs afterwards
[08:12] <OptiPlex> heh, the ending to 1984 sucked :[
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 awesome!
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 good to hear someone who's not a pessimist!
[08:12] <OptiPlex> woot, my keramik theme for gnome is done
[08:12] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: you could do that over dial-up in a couple of nights - it's do-able
[08:12] <pawan> BROKEN_LADDER : that's like saying: They won't be broke if they have made it. Musical talent itself has little to do with if you make it.
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> arrghhh...why is the keymaps system in breezy afu and not documented?!
[08:12] <durt> brownie17, so? she's still a failure and should do something less ... um ... gay
[08:13] <OptiPlex> heh, ive been playing guitar since I was 14, and I've just NOW started writing decent material
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan that's stupid.  it has TONS to do with whether you make it.
[08:13] <OptiPlex> um do what over a couple of nights, KDE?
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan i'm a musician in san francisco, and i see which artists do well and which ones don't.  the ones who do, are better than the ones who don't.  tehy are just better all around.
[08:13] <Razor-X> durt: ... gay?
[08:13] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: breezy
[08:13] <thoreauputic> OK please move to #ubuntu-offtopic - that's what it's for
[08:13] <thoreauputic> !gay
[08:14] <OptiPlex> its all about merchandising yourself
[08:14] <OptiPlex> :|
[08:14] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I don't think that should be tolerated
[08:14] <thoreauputic> !+gay
[08:14] <ubotu> somebody said gay was the dictionary says "Excited with merriment; manifesting sportiveness or delight; inspiring delight; livery; merry."    Who can tell why?
[08:14] <OptiPlex> this is the MORAL support channel, you want #ubuntu-tech :]
[08:14] <pawan> BROKEN_LADDER : merchandizing != musical talent is what I mean.
[08:14] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :P
[08:14] <OptiPlex> heh Xenguy: I've got 14 copies coming in the mail sometime lol
[08:14] <OptiPlex> I should've looked closer to see if I could've got kubuntu
[08:14] <OptiPlex> I like KDE a bit better :]
[08:14] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: cool, that works too
[08:15] <OptiPlex> heh too bad I wont be able to use 7 of em for awhile
[08:15] <Xenguy> OptiPlex: you can just apt-get KDE if you want - can't hurt too bad :-)
[08:15] <bnD> anyone know how long receiving shipped discs typically takes?
[08:15] <mustard5> bnD, it can take up to 2 months
[08:15] <thoreauputic> bnD: 4-6 weeks usually
[08:15] <bnD> mustard5: thanks ;)
[08:16] <GigaClon> anyone got there breezy CD's?
[08:16] <mustard5> GigaClon, nope
[08:16] <bnD> i wonder why i was assigned a server in frankfurt when im in socal
[08:16] <thoreauputic> GigaClon: quite a few people have - reported on the users mailing list
[08:16] <Razor-X> bnD: assigned?
[08:16] <bnD> i used irc.freenode.net
[08:17] <Razor-X> pawan: even more painful is chmod to a beginner
[08:17] <bnD> and im on kornbluth.freenode.net (Frankfurt, DE, EU)
[08:17] <bnD> ;)
[08:17] <Razor-X> pawan: worst is the man page for MTAs
[08:17] <Razor-X> bnD: I'm given the same mirror
[08:17] <pawan> BROKEN_LADDER : so, Mariah Carey is better than your average SF rock band?
[08:17] <OptiPlex> heh, I need to jack my friends cable connection this week if he's not busy.
[08:17] <Razor-X> what does Mariah Carey have to do with Linux?
[08:17] <Razor-X> or Ubuntu?
[08:17] <mustard5> pawan, #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[08:17] <OptiPlex> that fool gets something like 600MB in ten minutes.
[08:18] <OptiPlex> heh chmod = russian grammatical permissions
[08:18] <OptiPlex> chmod 777 wow.txt  =    you me give lapdance
[08:18] <OptiPlex> omfg, dont say the M word again
[08:18] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: either my advanced state of caffeine-less lethargy makes me not understand that, or i'm not even going to ask what that means
[08:18] <Razor-X> but I will ask you not to use the word ``lapdance'' in this channel :P
[08:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan mariah carey is talentless
[08:19] <OptiPlex> :[
[08:19] <brownie17> durt, shut your mouth
[08:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan are you freakin kidding me?!
[08:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> pawan mariah f'ing carey?!  do you play a goddam instrument?
[08:19] <ksmurf> Is there a good alternitive to acidpro for linux ( for doing loops)?
[08:19] <Razor-X> ..........................
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> ksmurf hydrogen
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> ksmurf ardour
[08:20] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:20] <thoreauputic> that's enough off-topic stuff - you've been asked nicely
[08:20] <ksmurf> BROKEN u rock
[08:20] <OptiPlex> russian grammer is out-of-order like chmod's syntax
[08:20] <OptiPlex> :]
[08:20] <OptiPlex> *grammar, wtf I need caffeine too
[08:20] <durt> brownie17, i was only half serious
[08:20] <OptiPlex> ksmurf, audacity is kewl :]
[08:20] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: watch your language or you'll be out of here, sorry
[08:20] <brownie17> BROKEN_LADDER, i play guitar a little, and i definately have musical appreciation. i've played piano for 3 years, bass guitar for 3, and lead for 3. mariah careys music completely revolves around singing. she is talentless
[08:21] <brownie17> durt, ok, forgiven
[08:21] <OptiPlex> I use it for loops/guitar/vocals/soundfx
[08:21] <aftertaf> take it offtopic or LEAVE!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <ksmurf> opti it is but it's not what I need
[08:21] <OptiPlex> :[
[08:21] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: please use your shiny op powers
[08:21] <pawan> BROKEN_LADDER : heh. Yes, actually. do a search on Maya Conglomerate and pick up my oggs. Free as in beer and speech.
[08:22] <aftertaf> lol OptiPlex
[08:22] <thoreauputic> OK I'll remove the gag in aminute - but please move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:22] <OptiPlex> ksmurf: loop+loop+hip-hop-vocal stuff?
[08:22] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it won't, it's a RAM hog
[08:23] <thoreauputic> so please guys - #ubuntu-offtopic: now!
[08:23] <brownie17> hey, i stopped, there was no need to ban me!
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> are any ubuntu devs in here?
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 militant extremism
[08:23] <thoreauputic> brownie17: it was a +q
[08:23] <brownie17> thoreauputic, "+q"?
[08:24] <varsendagger> what is a +q?
[08:24] <ksmurf> Opti yes
[08:24] <thoreauputic> brownie17: just a "gag" not a ban
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> are _these_ the new keymap files in breezy? imdcvcjfxgrin
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> err
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> /usr/share/keymaps/i386/\
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are all gzipped
[08:24] <OptiPlex> well it owned on windoze and suse, but then again I had 50 extra mhz :]
[08:24] <OptiPlex> because that was my pc lol
[08:24] <OptiPlex> i love double-compression...
[08:24] <ksmurf> Optiplex yes.  I love Acidpro but I hat 'doze and it doesn't work with wine.
[08:25] <ksmurf> *hate
[08:26] <OptiPlex> heh, im not even gonna use doze until I get the parts to fix my athlon-xp box
[08:26] <OptiPlex> and thats gonna be nothing but video games lol
[08:26] <pawan> oy, BROKEN_LADDER , come on over to #ubuntu-offtopic so I can devastate you with my jibes and all!
[08:26] <MisterFarts> hey
[08:27] <OptiPlex> i was thinking about filming some crap with my camera, and downloading kino tonight to edit it
[08:27] <MisterFarts> does anyone know where i can define serif and sans serif fonts in gnome ?
[08:27] <OptiPlex> but my bandwidth said 'no' :]
[08:28] <OptiPlex> try 'sessions'
[08:28] <pawan> anyone using a p4 on breezy? Getting freezes?
[08:28] <henk> I just compiled a tree of some software and after 'make install' it runs fine. How do i turn this into a .deb file, so I can give it to a friend to install?
[08:28] <OptiPlex> whoops no ttha tone
[08:28] <gerbma1> pawan, yes...and no
[08:28] <MisterFarts> anyone ?
[08:29] <GigaClon> henk, dpkg
[08:29] <varsendagger> hey i have a problem with timidy thoreauputic
[08:29] <MisterFarts> henk, can't your friend just untar ?
[08:29] <varsendagger> --- #flood
[08:29] <OptiPlex> lol i dont even know in gnome *wants kubuntu irl*
[08:29] <pawan> shit. it is freezing again as I speak.
[08:29] <OptiPlex> with no cpu fan
[08:30] <gerbma1> pawan, haha, not that it's funny ;p
[08:30] <OptiPlex> timidity owns :]
[08:30] <henk> MisterFarts, sure i could just give him the build trees of the stuff and let him do a make install. But isn't that what debs are for ? and he gets to uninstall if he wants to
[08:30] <pawan> I wanna log this better. biab when the system reboots. Brings back memories of ms-windows.
[08:30] <l33txp> guys I am trying to install ubuntu.. I have created a swap and partition for it but durring installing.. I can't just select the partition I created... says something about a root file system or something.... WTF?!?!
[08:31] <MisterFarts> henk, there's no deb for the package that you compiled ?
[08:31] <MisterFarts> does anyone at all know how to change the gnome serif fonts ?
[08:31] <aftertaf> l33txp: you need to format it ;)
[08:31] <DR_K13> what is the command to trail my syslog?
[08:31] <OptiPlex> leet
[08:31] <OptiPlex> do this
[08:32] <OptiPlex> youll have to set your mount point of the main partition to '/'
[08:32] <OptiPlex> after you format that is :]
[08:32] <henk> MisterFarts, no ofcourse not otherwise I whouldn't have gone to so mucht trouble now would i :)
[08:32] <gerbma1> DR_K13, tail -f ?
[08:32] <OptiPlex> dmesg
[08:32] <OptiPlex> um, i think.. dont hold me to that
[08:32] <MisterFarts> henk, just wondering what package doesn't already have a deb ? :)
[08:32] <henk> GigaClon, can you be more helpfull than just 'dpkg'
[08:33] <MisterFarts> henk, read the man page for dpkg
[08:33] <MisterFarts> henk, creating a package is pretty involved
[08:33] <l33txp> i'll try some more stuff.. thanks
[08:33] <GigaClon> henk dpkg --help
[08:33] <DR_K13> tail: warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective
[08:33] <durt> henk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[08:33] <polpak> DR_K13: tail -f /var/log/messages
[08:33] <OptiPlex> henk: man dpkg
[08:33] <MisterFarts> henk, you'll need to specify dependencies, root installation directory and so forth
[08:33] <DR_K13> lol I forgot
[08:33] <DR_K13> ty
[08:33] <henk> hmm and that is the only way ? seems strange to me it should be posible to automate most of the task I'd think
[08:33] <OptiPlex> :]
[08:34] <MisterFarts> henk, automate most of what task ?
[08:34] <Boobek> hi
[08:34] <MisterFarts> henk, dpkg can't be expected to know what dependencies your package has
[08:34] <dooglus> henk: I apologise.  the answer is "checkinstall"
[08:35] <polpak> dooglus: I think there's also a way to do it with fakeroot
[08:35] <durt> checkinstall doesnt make a deb
[08:35] <DR_K13> polpak:   will that keep running or just read the log once>?  I want to trial it
[08:35] <dooglus> durt: wanna bet?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> durt: yes it does
[08:36] <brownie17> Boobek, hi
[08:36] <OptiPlex> mount_ntfs /dev/ad0s2 /windows | fdisk *.*
[08:36] <OptiPlex> heh
[08:36] <polpak> DR_K13: it will output the file indefinately until you stop it with CTRL-C
[08:36] <OptiPlex> i dont think that works anyway
[08:36] <MisterFarts> what's the point of creating a deb if it doesn't have dependencies
[08:36] <DR_K13> ty polpak
[08:37] <durt> oh - i thought it just tracked installed stuff
[08:37] <fansheng> hi
[08:37] <polpak> if you just want to read the last couple of lines and not "follow" it, you can just do tail /var/log/messages  OR tail -n 100 /var/log/messages
[08:37] <henk> MisterFarts, sure most of the dependencies can be resolved using the information on what is linked to the binaries, and by running the program with a trace and resolving those to the packages that deliever them seems not that hard to me
[08:38] <MisterFarts> henk, that will create dependencies on those particular libraries
[08:39] <MisterFarts> henk, when the program could in fact possibly run with other versions
[08:39] <OptiPlex> heh mc chris owns
[08:39] <gerbma1> haha...yes he certainly does
[08:39] <dooglus> how can I get the clock to be kept correct?  it's about an hour slow, even though I'm running ntdp
[08:39] <dooglus> ntpd
[08:40] <Seveas> dooglus, correct the timezone?
[08:40] <MisterFarts> henk, the program could also be using dlopen to access certain libraries at runtime
[08:40] <dooglus> Seveas: it's fine I think
[08:40] <MisterFarts> henk, and you wouldn't know that until yhou actually hit the proper branch of the code
[08:40] <OptiPlex> mmorpg's made me want cable a few months back, but now ubuntu REALLY makes me want cable :]
[08:40] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:40] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: no worries :)
[08:41] <MisterFarts> does anyone here knwo anything about GNOME ?
[08:41] <Seveas> MisterFarts, no, we ar all stupid...
[08:41] <MisterFarts> Seveas, it would appear so
[08:41] <MisterFarts> Seveas, i asked a pretty basic question, yet no one reponded
[08:41] <BlackDalek> installing ubuntu from CD - I'm up to the screen "Partition Disks". options are "erase entire disk IDE1 master (hda)", "erase entire disk and use LVM: IDE Master (hda)" or "manually edit partition table".. which do I select??
[08:41] <Seveas> didn't see the question
[08:41] <Seveas> what was it?
[08:42] <dooglus> MisterFarts: you asked a silly question.  of course we all know something about GNOME.  now what do you really want to know?
[08:42] <MisterFarts> Seveas, i want to change my serif and sans serif fonts
[08:42] <MisterFarts> dooglus, read above
[08:42] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> fonts
[08:42] <MisterFarts> Seveas, that wont
[08:42] <MisterFarts> Seveas, that won't do it
[08:42] <Seveas> sure it will
[08:42] <MisterFarts> Seveas, those are some other fonts
[08:42] <OptiPlex> BlackDalek: the third one :]
[08:42] <Seveas> or else you will have to describe your problem better
[08:42] <MisterFarts> show me where i can change the definitions for "serif" in system->Preferences->fotns
[08:42] <OptiPlex> gee I hope these ubuntu-calender pics are good
[08:43] <MisterFarts> Seveas, i think the problem is well described :})
[08:43] <Seveas> MisterFarts, it is not
[08:43] <mustard5> MisterFarts, click on the button that says serif
[08:43] <MisterFarts> Seveas, gnome has a definition for "serif" fonts apparently
[08:43] <thoreauputic> MisterFarts: great approach by the way - alienate everyone by implying they are stupid then expect them to help
[08:43] <OptiPlex> correction MisterFarts: that WILL do it...
[08:43] <Seveas> what do you mean with 'the definition of serif'
[08:43] <mebaran151> dmix doesn't seem to work on my machine
[08:43] <mebaran151> whenever I enable it
[08:43] <mebaran151> I get massive lockups
[08:43] <MisterFarts> thoreauputic, actually it works quite well. people are actually helping me now :)
[08:43] <MisterFarts> thoreauputic, because they are offended
[08:43] <dooglus> can any of you dimwits help me with my clock problem?
[08:43] <OptiPlex> ...I'm not in love with fonts, so if that DOESN't do it, they're screwed
[08:44] <MisterFarts> before they were just ignoring
[08:44] <mebaran151> (as two apps compete for the snd dev)
[08:44] <mustard5> dooglus, heheh
[08:44] <Seveas> MisterFarts, it also helps to get kicked very quickly
[08:44] <me|ong> would you prefer worse?
[08:44] <MisterFarts> mustard5, there is no such button
[08:44] <me|ong> >:)
[08:44] <Seveas> OptiPlex, do NOT do that in here
[08:44] <MisterFarts> Seveas, i'll take my chances. it's better than not getting any response at all
[08:44] <henk> durt, that page is very helpfull thank you
[08:45] <MisterFarts> mustard5, there's no such button  in that menu
[08:45] <mustard5> MisterFarts, there is a button there that shows the current font though and font size
[08:45] <varsendagger> how do i make xfce look more like fluxbox and less like kde
[08:45] <MisterFarts> mustard5, yeah, but that doesn't define serigf
[08:45] <mustard5> MisterFarts, what do you mean by 'define'?
[08:45] <MisterFarts> mustard5, i already changed those fonts; the have no effect on the serif definitions apparently
[08:46] <MisterFarts> mustard5, apaprenty there is a concept of a system-wide 'serif' font
[08:46] <MisterFarts> mustard5, this 'serif' font maps to a real font somewhere
[08:46] <MisterFarts> i just don't knwo where
[08:46] <Seveas> MisterFarts, in that dialog...
[08:46] <durt> henk, i think checkinstall works too - im compiling bzflag now to try it
[08:46] <MisterFarts> Seveas, as i said, there is no "serif" definition in that dialog
[08:46] <Seveas> if you are too stupid to follow some directions, then we can't help
[08:47] <MisterFarts> Seveas, show me where that dialog says "serif font"
[08:47] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: if you want fluxbox, use fluxbox :) I do
[08:47] <dooglus> in /var/log/ntpstats, both peerstats and loopstats have been touched in the last minute.  but the time is still wrong.  any ideas what might be wrong?
[08:47] <MisterFarts> "application font"
[08:47] <Madpilot> MisterFarts: "serif" is, I think, the FreeSerif font...
[08:47] <MisterFarts> "desktop font"
[08:47] <Seveas> *sigh*
[08:47] <mustard5> MisterFarts, click on the font button for whatever thing you want to change...cycle through the font options...and look for serif
[08:47] <MisterFarts> mustard5, i want to change tthe definition for serif
[08:48] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, i cn't seem to configure fluxbox either
[08:48] <durt> heh
[08:48] <me|ong> doobie
[08:48] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: lots of good docs linked from http://fluxbox.org
[08:49] <me|ong> did you set it to use local or ntpd time?
[08:49] <OptiPlex> gee nice warning :[
[08:49] <varsendagger> heck i'll do it
[08:49] <me|ong> if its using local it might be getting you CMOS time
[08:49] <me|ong> and taking precedance
[08:49] <durt> since when does xfce look like kde?
[08:49] <teenz> hello.....im new to linux n i need help with installing n compiling c in ubuntu
[08:50] <teenz> ive used c in fedora core before using the c++ to compile but it does not seem to work in ubuntu
[08:50] <teenz> plz help
[08:50] <dooglus> me|ong: where's the setting?
[08:50] <polpak> teenz: what's the problem?
[08:50] <teenz> i need to use c++in linux
[08:50] <GigaClon> teenz, install the build-essential package
[08:50] <dooglus> me|ong: and anyway, it's been a long time since I rebooted.  the CMOS setting should have been corrected by now, right?
[08:50] <me|ong> not sure atm.. i was looking to night and saw it somewhere.. but i cant remember sorry man
[08:51] <durt> teenz: use g++
[08:51] <teenz> sorry...how do i do that?
[08:51] <me|ong> i dont think the OS touches your CMOS time
[08:51] <teenz> u mean g++ filename.c to compile?
[08:51] <Seveas> teenz, no
[08:51] <dooglus> teenz: install build-essential
[08:51] <teenz> how?
[08:51] <me|ong> thats usually set by the user when they put the computer together (if the facotry hasn't done it already)
[08:51] <GigaClon> teenz, with synaptic or apt-get
[08:51] <bnD> me|ong: doesnt it change it upon install?
[08:51] <me|ong> nope
[08:52] <me|ong> the os doesnt touch it
[08:52] <me|ong> it can read from it though
[08:52] <bnD> hrm, my system time in xp changed after installing breezy
[08:52] <dooglus> I think the OS reads CMOS time when it boots, and writes it when it shuts down
[08:52] <teenz> does ubuntu 5.10 come preinstalled with gcc?
[08:52] <me|ong> yeah cuz its updating soemwhere else
[08:52] <adriyel> Seveas, as a personal favor, that is a temporary ban on MisterFarts correct? I've had my moments too....
[08:52] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, shouldn't i just quit out of xfce4 and run startfluxbox?
[08:52] <oann> any girl using ubuntu?
[08:52] <Whity> Anyone got tv-out working well with nvidia drivers and feels like helping a guy thats struggling?
[08:52] <me|ong> but in linux theres a setting that says to use a remote or a local time
[08:52] <polpak> teenz: go to Applications->Add Applications
[08:52] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: yes
[08:52] <Seveas> adriyel, no it is a permanent ban
[08:52] <bnD> oann: you asling? :P
[08:52] <me|ong> and i think its set to local for default
[08:52] <teenz> k...then
[08:53] <GigaClon> teenz, in a console type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:53] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: choose it from "Sessions"
[08:53] <adriyel> Seveas, :(
[08:53] <mustard5> oann, what relevance would that have?
[08:53] <Seveas> the idiot started to behave as a 3-year-old in private chat
[08:53] <OptiPlex> 5.04 does teenz, so I think 5.10 should :]
[08:53] <teenz> thank you i'll try it and let u know
[08:53] <varsendagger> aint got gdm  --- should i install it?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: assuming you have GDM running...
[08:53] <darksoul> hey anyone here know how to repair a menu when the games are deleted?
[08:53] <polpak> teenz: err sorry, no.. Go to system->adminstration->synaptic
[08:53] <varsendagger> i ahve started fluxbox before
[08:53] <teenz> k...no problem thanks anyway
[08:53] <mustard5> darksoul, you on breezy?
[08:53] <allorder> what FS must have partition EXT3 ?
[08:53] <varsendagger> any way
[08:53] <dooglus> me|ong: there's a setting which tells it whether to interpret the CMOS time as local or UTC, right.  but after the CMOS time has been read, once, at boot, it's not read again.  and so ntpd should have corrected the time by now, even if the CMOS time was originally interpreted incorrectly.
[08:53] <polpak> teenz: under "Development" you should see g++
[08:54] <varsendagger> gnite
[08:54] <polpak> teenz: install that and you should be fine
[08:54] <darksoul> mustard5: yes. breezy kde..but no one at kde knows what to do
[08:54] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: OK in that case from tty run  startx /usr/bin/startfluxbox
[08:54] <oann> i downloaded MacromediaStudio For Linux from macromedias site, but its not .deb file.. how can i install it?
[08:54] <teenz> thank u polpak
[08:54] <mustard5> darksoul, ah ok...don't know the KDE interface
[08:54] <allorder> please what FS must have partition EXT3 ?
[08:54] <adriyel> Seveas, oh, in private? that was unwise. I suppose I've had my moments, but I don't think they were as bad as you seem to be describing]
[08:54] <OptiPlex> Seveas: #neworder on outerweb.net is a 3-yr-old-run channel, so dont go there :]
[08:54] <durt> what kind of file is it oann?
[08:55] <oann> durt : its flash.bin ?
[08:55] <darksoul> anyone
[08:55] <darksoul> *sigh*
[08:55] <OptiPlex> oann: is it a tar.gz file?
[08:55] <derrickw> hey guys, i've got a question. i'm ordering some vodka to make white russians for some friends and i don't know what kind to buy. i find that potato vodka is more effective than grain, but belvedere seems like a waste of money since i'm mixing.
[08:55] <derrickw> any thoughts?
[08:55] <mustard5> darksoul, try searching for where it's listed in the usr/share directories
[08:55] <oann> OptiPlex : its macromedia suit... dreamviewer flash etc.. thereis flash.bin
[08:55] <darksoul> mustard5: why do you prefer gnome over kde?
[08:56] <OptiPlex> :[
[08:56] <oann> ah ok i started applications..thanx
[08:56] <darksoul> o
[08:56] <darksoul> m
[08:56] <darksoul> f
[08:56] <darksoul> g
[08:56] <mustard5> darksoul, gnome came as default on ubuntu :)
[08:56] <darksoul> all my media is gone
[08:56] <OptiPlex> stolichnaya :]
[08:56] <Lathiat> darksoul: try #kubuntu
[08:56] <thoreauputic> derrickw: umm - *ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:56] <OptiPlex> stoli is russian :]
[08:56] <darksoul> all. my. media. is. gone. this. means. my. hdd. and. partions. and. everything
[08:56] <teenz> i hav another doubt.........how can i run my .avi n .dat files in ubuntu 5.10?
[08:56] <darksoul> i did, they are no help..
[08:56] <derrickw> mustard5 - install kde. it runs much smoother, it's prettier, it's just better all around
[08:56] <durt> oann: probably best to follow whatever instructions it has, but run ./whatever.bin in the directory where it is
[08:57] <darksoul> all that i know is kde is beginning to piss me off
[08:57] <mustard5> derrickw, I'm fine with gnome thanks
[08:57] <OptiPlex> oann: never messed with macromedia on linux, so Im no help. Sorry :[
[08:57] <adriyel> ubotu tell oann about flash
[08:57] <bnD> ive never liked kde, couldnt tell you why
[08:57] <derrickw> plus kubuntu installs with amarok, which is an amazing media player
[08:57] <bnD> been a long time since ive used it
[08:57] <darksoul> ok if i installed gnome would it repair all this?
[08:57] <teenz> .how can i run my .avi n .dat files in ubuntu 5.10?
[08:57] <durt> xmms is also amazing
[08:57] <oann> OptiPlex : its for linux..
[08:58] <mustard5> darksoul, your problems sound far more serious
[08:58] <derrickw> although i suppose you could just apt-get isntall amarok
[08:58] <adriyel> ubotu tell teenz about restricted formats
[08:58] <darksoul> *sigh*
[08:58] <derrickw> install*
[08:58] <OptiPlex> teenz: use totem
[08:58] <thoreauputic> !tell teenz about restricted
[08:58] <mustard5> darksoul, I suspect you have done something silly to your system
[08:58] <darksoul> as in..
[08:58] <adriyel> thoreauputic, way ahead of you, pay attention :P
[08:58] <mustard5> darksoul, I could only speculate :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic> adriyel: heh :)
[08:58] <polpak> teenz: You should look at the Ubuntu Starter Guide
[08:58] <adriyel> mustard5, thanks for the advice earlier,  I'll be applying it tomorrow
[08:58] <darksoul> The file or folder media:/hda1/ does not exist.
[08:58] <teenz> k ill do that
[08:58] <polpak> teenz: if you click the help icon on your taskbar
[08:58] <OptiPlex> oann: i just said ive never used it on linux
[08:58] <polpak> teenz: it's in there
[08:59] <adriyel> polpak, I already answered teenz question, shush.
[08:59] <teenz> got it polpak
[08:59] <mustard5> adriyel, yeah?  *tries to remember*..hehehe I give so much advice I forget ;)
[08:59] <darksoul> The file or folder media:/hda1/ does not exist.
[08:59] <adriyel> mustard5, female/relationship advice.
[08:59] <darksoul> whats up with this..
[08:59] <mustard5> adriyel, ah of course!
[08:59] <adriyel> darksoul, what did you do to fsck it up?
[08:59] <darksoul> ok how can i do a major reinstall to gnome...with everything repaired
[08:59] <darksoul> yes
[08:59] <thoreauputic>  media:/hda1/  <<-- fo you mean /media/hda1  ?
[09:00] <bnD> darksoul: youve tried remounting it?
[09:00] <adriyel> darksoul, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <adriyel> thoreauputic, meh, same dilly.
[09:00] <Seveas> media:/hda1 is kde-stupidness
[09:00] <adriyel> Seveas, all things KDE are stupidness.
[09:00] <OptiPlex> darksoul: you should be able to do something like that with synaptic, just not sure how
[09:00] <thoreauputic> adriyel: *cough* computers are pedantic
[09:00] <pawan> bugger. freezing again.
[09:00] <Seveas> adriyel, even though I agree - this is NOT the place for desktop wars
[09:00] <adriyel> Seveas, #ubuntu-offtopic or....#kde >:)
[09:01] <OptiPlex> thats it :]
[09:01] <darksoul> my main hdd is not found..
[09:01] <OptiPlex> four more files to download with synaptic, w00t!
[09:01] <darksoul> ......would it help if i restarted?
[09:01] <mustard5> darksoul, I wouldnt just yet
[09:01] <mustard5> darksoul, you need to find out what you have done
[09:01] <olliej> anyone got any ideas as to what would cause dvi to be broken in xorg?
[09:02] <darksoul> ok i got accses to the /folders
[09:02] <OptiPlex> pawan: I hear that P4s freeze on a LOT of OSes, so I doubt the problem is ubuntu
[09:02] <darksoul> my hdd just isint mounted on media or somthing
[09:02] <kcskyl> can anyone tell me how to deactivate my media player that autoruns when i logg in?
[09:02] <kcskyl> thanks
[09:02] <darksoul> what sould i look under?
[09:02] <adriyel> OptiPlex, gee, I wish my P4 would freeze, it seems to fry all the time (lolz)
[09:02] <OptiPlex> if ubuntu were less than world-class, it would've EATEN my imac already
[09:02] <Seveas> kcskyl, system -> prefs -> session
[09:02] <mustard5> darksoul, is that a spare partition for something?
[09:02] <darksoul> i did add a partion yes
[09:02] <OptiPlex> darksoul: what is it ntfs/fat32/ext3?
[09:03] <darksoul> ext3
[09:03] <darksoul> both
[09:03] <adriyel> OptiPlex, actually I purchase AMD, but it had to be said
[09:03] <darksoul> anyway i got / to work
[09:03] <kcskyl> okay
[09:03] <mustard5> darksoul, so its not related to your main linux partition?
[09:03] <adriyel> darksoul, how the crap can it be both?
[09:03] <kcskyl> Seveas, okay
[09:03] <adriyel> ???
[09:03] <darksoul> ..
[09:03] <darksoul> i added a new partion today
[09:03] <OptiPlex> Im too scared to buy a new computer because of P4s..
[09:03] <Seveas> adriyel, i think he means: both are ext3 ;)
[09:03] <kcskyl> Seveas, i'm actually running xubuntu...so it's alittle different
[09:03] <adriyel> OptiPlex, buy AMD
[09:03] <mustard5> darksoul, what is on it?
[09:03] <Seveas> kcskyl, hehe
[09:03] <OptiPlex> ok try this dark: mount -t ext3fs /dev/hda1/ /media/hda1/
[09:03] <OptiPlex> that should work.
[09:03] <darksoul> the problem is the main i guess
[09:03] <adriyel> kcskyl, XFce4, how is it?
[09:04] <Seveas> in that case: I don't know
[09:04] <OptiPlex> if not ext3fs try ext3
[09:04] <darksoul> hda1 is the one i added today
[09:04] <adriyel> why the fsck is he ignoring me?
[09:04] <adriyel> *shrugs*
[09:04] <darksoul> im guessing hda2 is the main..
[09:04] <kcskyl> adriyel, it's awesome...except i'm not that used to it.  It makes my 10 yr old computer seem quite fast
[09:04] <OptiPlex> mmm opteron...
[09:04] <allorder> please what FS must have partition EXT3 ?
[09:04] <Seveas> opteron is nice
[09:04] <OptiPlex> i wanna sparc box for some reason
[09:05] <Seveas> even sun uses opterons
[09:05] <darksoul> all i know is my system is messed up reallllyyy bad atm
[09:05] <governador> g
[09:05] <kcskyl> does anyone here familiar with xubuntu?
[09:05] <mustard5> darksoul, messed up is to vague
[09:05] <kcskyl> is*
[09:05] <darksoul> ok...its shit
[09:05] <darksoul> is that better?
[09:05] <bnD> why isnt xubuntu listed on ubuntu.com where kubuntu and edubuntu are?
[09:05] <mustard5> darksoul, no
[09:05] <OptiPlex> heh mine's like 7 yrs old and it outperforms my sisters 1500-something mhz machine
[09:05] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, What about xubuntu?
[09:05] <NoUse> darksoul can you put the output of `mount` in pastebin?
[09:05] <NoUse> !tell darksoul about pastebin
[09:05] <durt> no - but i run xfce. is xubuntu different from regular ubuntu with xfce?
[09:05] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, i have my media player starting up when i log in, and I want to deactivate that
[09:05] <thoreauputic> allorder: odd question - if you want ext3 you would use it for  / and prbably most other partitions except swap
[09:06] <Uzla> hai semua
[09:06] <Seveas> durt, no
[09:06] <pc22> i wonder my browser cant find java even if its installed already
[09:06] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, do you know how to do this?
[09:06] <darksoul> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4520
[09:06] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Hang on a sec while I log into xubuntu session
[09:06] <Seveas> pc22, then you did not install it the right way
[09:06] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, hey thanks!
[09:06] <OptiPlex> Seveas: yeah, but I'm kind of a RISC processor n00b. they just seem faster for less clock speed
[09:07] <thoreauputic> Seveas: actually xubuntu adds some different defaults like sylpheed and rox-filer
[09:07] <bnD> is there an faq or something as to what xubuntu is?
[09:07] <NoUse> darksoul does anything show up in /media/hda1?
[09:07] <darksoul> i would reinstall..but i spent all day configuring this..and i just deleted windows for good...so yea this is kinda pissing me off
[09:07] <thoreauputic> bnD: it's basically ubuntu + xfce4
[09:07] <OptiPlex> three more files to download lol
[09:07] <darksoul> yup
[09:07] <bnD> thoreauputic: xfce4 = ?
[09:07] <darksoul> the partion i added today
[09:07] <pc22> Seveas, i just did the synaptic
[09:07] <ekimus> hi, do the ranges <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24 get routed to each other without having ip forwarding or something similiar activated? i don't think so because private ip ranges aren't forwarded to other subnet's by default...
[09:08] <thoreauputic> bnD:  read httP;//xwinman.org   :)
[09:08] <NoUse> darksoul so where was the stuff you are missing stored?
[09:08] <mustard5> pc22, there is another method
[09:08] <darksoul> hda2
[09:08] <bnD> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[09:08] <Seveas> pc22, then you need to install the browser plugin
[09:08] <thoreauputic> hmm http://xwinman.org
[09:08] <pc22> how?
[09:08] <NoUse> darksoul well mounting hda2 might help
[09:08] <darksoul> and the file hda2 "does not exist"
[09:09] <darksoul> err it was mounted..
[09:09] <mebaran151> how do I get DMIX to run and not hard halt
[09:09] <Seveas> pc22, j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin - Java plugin for mozilla/firefox
[09:09] <Seveas> you need that package
[09:09] <OptiPlex> darksoul: I went through 10 or so reinstalls before I got this box running correctly, dont feel bad if you have to reload
[09:09] <pc22> in console?
[09:09] <mustard5> pc22, yes
[09:09] <darksoul> i went thru about 3 in 2 days
[09:09] <mustard5> pc22, or synaptic
[09:09] <darksoul> dont start with me lol
[09:09] <NoUse> darksoul pastebin 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[09:09] <mustard5> pc22, whichever you like
[09:10] <kcskyl> hey egon_spengler, thanks for doing this
[09:10] <mustard5> pc22, use the search function in synaptic if you are comfortable with synaptic
[09:11] <darksoul> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4521
[09:11] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, On shutdown/logout the XFCE session has checkbox to remember/save desktop state. Quit MediaPlayer, then quit session and ensure save state/session is checked to make it go away
[09:11] <OptiPlex> heh, synaptic is like the bsd ports thing, but alot better
[09:11] <darksoul> please tell me its a mounting problem and not a entire system failer..
[09:11] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Is labeled save session for further logins
[09:11] <pc22> thanks
[09:12] <OptiPlex> ..but then again, some people like not using a GUI which there is always apt for :]
[09:12] <derrickw> synaptic is priceless
[09:12] <lancer285> can someone please tell me the best way to batch convert ogg to mp3?
[09:12] <mebaran151> OptiPlex, BSD ports are more awesome
[09:12] <derrickw> it made installing the nvidia-legacy drivers less hellish
[09:12] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, yeah, i actually tried that and it didn't work...
[09:12] <derrickw> lancer - why would you want to do that?
[09:12] <OptiPlex> mounting problem I'm guessing sir.
[09:12] <OptiPlex> and/or madam
[09:12] <Uzla> ajar
[09:12] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Worked for me
[09:12] <darksoul> Sir
[09:12] <lancer285> derrickw, so I can put my music on my ipod
[09:12] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, i tried it a few times actually, and it the xfmedia would consistently pop up...
[09:12] <NoUse> darksoul what does 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /media/hda2' output?
[09:12] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, i can try again
[09:12] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, brb
[09:12] <Seveas> Uzla, this is an english channel
[09:13] <darksoul> mount: mount point /media/hda2 does not exist
[09:13] <darksoul> mount: mount point /media/hda2 does not exist
[09:13] <OptiPlex> heh, more progs I'm sure but I like synaptic a little more
[09:13] <darksoul> NoUse:mount: mount point /media/hda2 does not exist
[09:13] <Seveas> darksoul, sudo mkdir /media/hda2
[09:13] <OptiPlex> lancer285: try getting vorbis-tools
[09:13] <darksoul> now
[09:14] <Hhhhh> hmm, would anybody want to give me a quick comparison of Fedora Core 4 and Ubuntu Breezy?
[09:14] <lancer285> OptiPlex, okay, I'll check into that
[09:14] <darksoul> Seveas: now?
[09:14] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, the media starts, and I get a message saying "there is already a system tray running on this screen".  I'm not sure if this helps
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: never used Fedora, sorry
[09:14] <apes> is LVM recommended?
[09:14] <Seveas> Hhhhh, sure, if you give me a quick compare of an apple and an orange
[09:14] <NoUse> darksoul run the mount command again
[09:14] <dooglus> where's the file which says whether the system clock is stored in UTC or localtime?
[09:14] <Seveas> both are fruit, one ust tastes better
[09:14] <Seveas> which one depends on what you like
[09:14] <darksoul> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /media/hda2: nothing happened
[09:14] <Seveas> darksoul, good
[09:14] <OptiPlex> Hhhhh: FC4 < Hoary
[09:15] <mustard5> darksoul, thats good
[09:15] <Seveas> then it is mounted
[09:15] <Hhhhh> oh, I just want an assessment of strengths/weaknesses
[09:15] <kcskyl> egon_spengler, any ideas?
[09:15] <BlackDalek> what does "sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /media/hda2:" mean?
[09:15] <Hhhhh> not a distro war
[09:15] <OptiPlex> well FC3 was... :[
[09:15] <OptiPlex> lol Seveas
[09:15] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Just a sec
[09:15] <Seveas> Hhhhh, rpm vs apt
[09:15] <DR_K13> lol internets
[09:15] <mustard5> BlackDalek, it means a
[09:15] <Seveas> battle won instantly by Ubuntu
[09:15] <Seveas> add the bad quality of redhat/fedora packages
[09:15] <darksoul> btw when i said i had no mounts in :/media i ment it, i have no dvd-rw, no burner, no hdd, no partion mount, only a floppy disk..
[09:15] <Hhhhh> how is media support in ubuntu? that was lacking a bit in FC4
[09:15] <Seveas> and Ubuntu crushes fedora
[09:15] <derrickw> i've really enjoyed using breezy; i didn't care for hoary so much, but breezy patched up most of the issues i had with it
[09:15] <Seveas> Hhhhh, fairly good
[09:16] <mustard5> BlackDalek, it means as superuser mount the ext3 filesystem on device /dev/hda2 or the directory called /media/hda2
[09:16] <Hhhhh> any must-have tweaks you need to do after ubuntu install?
[09:16] <mustard5> *or = on
[09:16] <OptiPlex> FC4 = will never ever install on my computer       ubuntu = faster than os x and 2 less CD's of install
[09:16] <NoUse> darksoul you messed something up with the way KDE deals with Filesystems
[09:16] <Seveas> you need to go through some hoops to get mp3 working, but that's the same on every distro
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:16] <darksoul> ohhhh sweet..
[09:16] <Seveas> it's a patent thing, not a tachnical problem
[09:16] <darksoul> so then wtf will fix this...lol
[09:16] <OptiPlex> Seveas: didn't RH ship with a broken apache binary or something once?
[09:16] <Seveas> and well documented for Ubuntu :)
[09:16] <NoUse> darksoul I don't use KDE so I don't know
[09:16] <darksoul> ..
[09:16] <Seveas> OptiPlex, they ship with brokenness all over the place
[09:17] <Hhhhh> how about hardware compatibility in breezy?
[09:17] <Seveas> anyway, gotta run
[09:17] <thoreauputic> OptiPlex: a broken gcc , once
[09:17] <darksoul> so if i installed gnome would it fix it
[09:17] <pc22> mustard5, E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[09:17] <NoUse> darksoul I would reinstall the OS
[09:17] <darksoul> what about just gnome..
[09:17] <OptiPlex> Hhhhh: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad for sure :]
[09:17] <Madpilot> Hhhhh: most hardware should just work
[09:17] <thoreauputic> pc22: so run it
[09:17] <NoUse> darksoul maybe
[09:17] <mustard5> pc22, can you paste the complete output and the command you ran in pastebin plz?
[09:17] <OptiPlex> peace Sev
[09:17] <derrickw> Hhhhh - i havn't had any problems with any of my hardware and i'm still a bit of al inux n00b. dual heads is a bitch to set up, but i think that's pretty much across the board on linux
[09:17] <pc22> thats the complete output
[09:18] <mustard5> pc22, do as it says then :)
[09:18] <Hhhhh> are there any .deb packages with nvidia binaries ready for breezy?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> pc22: put sudo before the comand it recommends
[09:18] <NoUse> !tell Hhhhh about nvidia
[09:18] <lanjelot> Hi folks, is there a way to mount an image cd that came with three files : .img, .ccd and .sub (i know how to do it using windows)
[09:18] <OptiPlex> darksoul: just reload it. it isn't gonna kill ya, IS it?
[09:18] <darksoul> you mean reinstall?
[09:19] <darksoul> yes it is
[09:19] <NoUse> Hhhhh I've found Ubuntu much better than FC4
[09:19] <darksoul> i spent all day getting it running just the way it is now
[09:19] <kcskyl1> egon_spengler, you still there?
[09:19] <darksoul> it took me 9 hours to download counter strike source
[09:19] <mustard5> pc22, is this still related to installing the java-plugin for mozilla?
[09:19] <NoUse> darksoul you seem to have spent all day breaking it
[09:19] <darksoul> theres no way im about to reinstall right now
[09:19] <pc22> yes
[09:19] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Still here, and looking for xfce4 config hiding place
[09:19] <darksoul> no..no errors came up until now
[09:19] <derrickw> Hhhhh - manually installing the nvidia driver is a pain since it always seems to fail to find the headers for the kernel, but you can use synaptic and grab a few packages, reboot and you've got it. you just have to make sure you get the right packages, and i strongly recommend you reboot the system rather than just restarting the x server
[09:19] <kcskyl1> egon_spengler, awesome
[09:19] <darksoul> i rebooted then this crap happened
[09:20] <lanjelot> is there a way to mount some kind of a clonecd image file ?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> egon_spengler: try ~/.config
[09:20] <OptiPlex> aww cmon darksoul: you wanna format your disk *uses jedi mind trick*
[09:20] <derrickw> but if you google ubuntu instaling nvidia you'll find plenty of walkthrough
[09:20] <mustard5> pc22, so this error came from synaptic?
[09:20] <derrickw> walkthroughs*
[09:20] <darksoul> no..i dont
[09:20] <darksoul> i have gone thru alot of shit today..dealing with rootkit on windows
[09:21] <darksoul> then making a very large decision to delete windows is verrryy hard since im a hardcore gamer
[09:21] <egon_spengler> thoreauputic, Tnx
[09:21] <OptiPlex> darksoul: you, as well as I need to find a wifi hotspot..
[09:21] <dooglus> darksoul: they're not as good as the linux ones yet, are they
[09:21] <darksoul> dooglus: what..
[09:21] <derrickw> darksoul - yeah i just deleted my windows partition finally. i'm not much of a gamer, but i did enjoy ragnarok, and unfortunately WINE doesn't emulate it too smoothly =(
[09:21] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Try rm -rf .config and log back in.
[09:21] <dooglus> the rootkits
[09:22] <polpak> darksoul: I feel your pain.. I gave up windows 3 months ago.. Only thing I used it for was games. They're the only thing I miss also
[09:22] <l33txp> ok guys.. I have installed Ubuntu and it's all updated!! Now it's time to learn Linux and all about the OS.
[09:22] <lancer285> can anyone tell me how to make lame encode a whole directory of .wav to mp3?
[09:22] <apes> darksoul, you can use cedega for gaming on Linux
[09:22] <darksoul> derrickw: im on a computer 24/7 im a VERY hardcore gamer...this is not fun now couse i have to put up with this shit
[09:22] <polpak> leetxp: read the getting started guide
[09:22] <l33txp> Ok.
[09:22] <darksoul> apes: yes i could, but it wouldent work well, i only have 384mb ram on this thing, and a 1.4ghz prosseser
[09:23] <dooglus> lancer285: how do you make it encode one file?
[09:23] <l33txp> polpak, where is that? on the website?
[09:23] <lancer285> darksoul, My games run faster w/ Cedega than they did in windows
[09:23] <kcskyl1> egon_spengler, oh okay.
[09:23] <kcskyl1> egon_spengler, brb
[09:23] <apes> doesnt sound like it would work wel even in windws!
[09:23] <darksoul> apes: on my other computer i have a amd 64 or whatever 3.0, and 1024mb ram, BUT GUI WONT WORK
[09:23] <DR_K13> what games where you playing?  pong?
[09:23] <OptiPlex> heh, I miss a lot of games on win, ifortunately some of them are available for os x so Ill have to backup and reinstall 2 OSes heh
[09:23] <polpak> leetxp: no, click the help button on your taskbar
[09:23] <lancer285> dooglus, lame sound.wav sound.mp3
[09:23] <polpak> l33txp: it looks like a life preserve
[09:23] <OptiPlex> darksoul: ONLY 1.4ghz? lol
[09:23] <darksoul> lancer285: im not about to pay for somthing like that, then pay 500$ a year on games...no thanks
[09:24] <OptiPlex> I have 400mhz on this thing, and I use it for graphics heh
[09:24] <Hhhhh> derrickw, how often are nvidia binaries updated for breezy?
[09:24] <dooglus> lancer285: so:  for i in *.wav; do lame "$i" "$(echo "$i" | sed 's/.wav$/.mp3/'); done
[09:24] <l33txp> Got it!! Thanks.. yeah I'll need it. LoL I have NEVER used linux before at least at any length of time..
[09:24] <darksoul> optiPlex: hey i got a awsome computer right next to mine, but windows wont run on it and GUI on liunx wont run on it...why i still dont know
[09:24] <lancer285> darksoul, its worth the $5 a month. Total support and it runs all my stuff. if ur converting to linux. then that's the way to go
[09:24] <egon_spengler> OptiPlex, 400MHz for the video card?
[09:24] <viyyer> Whom should I contact for discussing about Rosetta  licensing issues?
[09:24] <dooglus> lancer285: I missed a close quote:
[09:24] <l33txp> But.. it's time for bed..  I was trying lame ./*.wav *.mp3 but that didn't work.
[09:26] <durt> derrickw: or you can steal it...
[09:26] <dooglus> lancer285: copy and paste:
[09:26] <kcskyl1> egon_spengler, awesome!  thanks!
[09:26] <lancer285> darksoul, what gui? KDE? Are you running 64 bit processor?
[09:26] <dooglus> lancer285:    for i in *.wav; do lame "$i" "$(echo "$i" | sed 's/.wav$/.mp3/')"; done
[09:26] <DR_K13> zuh
[09:26] <egon_spengler> kcskyl, Glad to assist but thoreauputic offered the location for the solution
[09:26] <lancer285> dooglus, woa, cool
[09:26] <darksoul> lancer285: the one were the gui wont work is running a SUPPOSEDLY 64bit..but i have heard the cpu doesnt have any 64bit extentions..but it says it
[09:26] <derrickw> durt - i'm not sure i want to steal it unless doing so is extremely convenient
[09:26] <darksoul> lancer285: and gnome and kde wont work on it
[09:26] <kcskyl1> thoreauputic, thanks for your input ;)
[09:27] <lancer285> darksoul, what sort of error messages are you getting?
[09:27] <polpak> darksoul: what is it you're worrying about losing if you format and install standard ubuntu?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> egon_spengler: kcskyl  Open source collaboration *grin*
[09:27] <darksoul> polpak: 9 hours redownloading just counter strike source for one
[09:27] <lancer285> dooglus, can I copy that into a #bash script and just run it??
[09:28] <darksoul> lancer285: none, it just goes over the same compling for hours and never ends
[09:28] <egon_spengler> thoreauputic, Would you believe I started with XFCE because it so closely resembled CDE?
[09:28] <durt> derrickw: oh, bittorrent makes it extremely convenient - but of course you shouldnt do that
[09:28] <thoreauputic> lancer285: you can run it as is in a terminal
[09:28] <OptiPlex> darksoul: maybe you need the amd64 version of ubuntu, I dunno
[09:28] <OptiPlex> darksoul: counterstrike is EVIL!
[09:28] <lancer285> thoreauputic, I did that. I was hoping to make it easy to run (:
[09:28] <DR_K13> cs is lame'
[09:28] <lancer285> I'll just keep it in my 'notes' file to copy and paste
[09:28] <darksoul> Optiplex: yes...but i own a few zombie servers so meh
[09:28] <DR_K13> BF2 is coo
[09:28] <lancer285> darksoul, so it won't install??
[09:28] <polpak> darksoul: where did you install cs source?
[09:29] <darksoul> polpak: i download wine then ran steam and installed counterstrike source off steam
[09:29] <lancer285> darksoul, or are you talking about Point2Play?? not KDE itself
[09:29] <thoreauputic> lancer285: you can make it a script by prepending #!/bin/bash and saving it, then making it executable
[09:29] <darksoul> lancer285: im talking about the entire gui of linux
[09:29] <polpak> darksoul: Then I must assume you installed to your home directory
[09:29] <lancer285> thoreauputic, awesome, thats what I was looking for
[09:29] <darksoul> lancer285: it wouldent run on suse either
[09:29] <OptiPlex> :[
[09:30] <darksoul> polpak: yea...whatever lol
[09:30] <teenz> what exactly is wine and where can i get it?
[09:30] <polpak> darksoul: is your home directory on its own partition?
[09:30] <derrickw> durt - haha yeah, i see
[09:30] <darksoul> polpak: no
[09:30] <polpak> darksoul: do you have gparted installed?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> lancer285: #!/bin/bash goes on th efirst line ( separate line) of course
[09:30] <derrickw> durt - i'm not sure where i'd find a torrent file for cadega though
[09:30] <lancer285> darksoul, I wish I could help. I would say that you need to make sure you have the right architect for your processor.
[09:30] <wal>  i was wondering how to uninstall the kde desktop - seeing kubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage
[09:30] <darksoul> polpak: yes
[09:30] <dooglus> lancer285: you can run that directly from the command line if you like
[09:30] <OptiPlex> darksoul: so... suse OR ubuntu wont run a GUI on your 64bit box at ALL?
[09:30] <dooglus> lancer285: or you can make an alias or shell function from it
[09:31] <darksoul> lancer285: i tried 64bit ubuntu and the x86 or whatever it was for ubuntu..funny thing is with i386 servero only mode works..but it wont complie the gui
[09:31] <OptiPlex> teenz: check synaptic
[09:31] <lancer285> dooglus, I have no idea how to do that (:
[09:31] <teenz> ok
[09:31] <darksoul> OptiPlex: suse managed it on one install..but i hated the way suse was so i uninstalled it
[09:31] <icewt> teenz: wine allows you to run windows programs on linux. you can get it from ubuntu repositories, or if you want the latest version go to http://winehq.com
[09:31] <dooglus> lancer285: I'll make a pastebin for it.  Would you prefer a recursive version?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> wal: kubuntu-desktop pulls in most of KDE - if you want more you install the "kde" package afterwards
[09:32] <lancer285> dooglus, yes plz (:
[09:32] <lanjelot> i want to convert clonecd image file into an iso one. Any ideas fellows ?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> wal: ah sorry - I misread
[09:32] <lancer285> darksoul, and you didn't do a clean install?? how did you set up partitions when you installed?
[09:32] <OptiPlex> heh, suse is kewl for some stuff
[09:33] <polpak> darksoul: I suggest using gparted to resize your partitions such that you have a new partition where you can put your /home directory
[09:33] <thoreauputic> wal: uninstalling kdelibs would tear out most of KDE I would guess
[09:33] <darksoul> OptiPlex: i havent tired the ubuntu install yet..but i dont think it will work
[09:33] <lancer285> <-- loves ubuntu
[09:33] <bun-bun> does scp require ssh server to be running on both machines?
[09:33] <darksoul> lancer285: i used gparted
[09:33] <polpak> darksoul: then when you reinstall you can mount it as your /home and not reformat it
[09:33] <Drelives> hi everyone
[09:33] <OptiPlex> it comes with audacity, freecraft, and CD-burning stuff, so its good for a basic home PC, but I don't have all FIVE cds for PPC so I chose ubuntu and Im diggin it :]
[09:33] <polpak> darksoul: all your files should be in there then
[09:33] <teenz> icewt : thank you ill check it out
[09:33] <thoreauputic> wal: hmm that's a metapackage as well, sorry
[09:33] <darksoul> polpak: yea.....unless the entire problem is in the home dir
[09:33] <Drelives> i'm looking for the temporary internet files folder in my ubuntu os
[09:33] <lcore> I'm using ubuntu 5.10 + evolution 2.4.1 and afaik there's no spam filter support yet (btns spam and no-spam).  Been googling for a guide on howto setup some spam filter but didn't found any good one. Any easy to use (maybe combined with evolution interface) solutions (uri is enough)?
[09:34] <Drelives> do you know where is it?
[09:34] <darksoul> in a few ill try gnome
[09:34] <polpak> darksoul: have you tried creating a new user and seeing if the problem persists there?
[09:34] <apes> Drelives, i have mine  set to /tmp in Firefox
[09:34] <OptiPlex> give it a shot, I didnt think freebsd would work on my old PII but it did.. take a chance :]
[09:34] <darksoul> polpak: no.............wtf i sould have thought of that.
[09:34] <Drelives> so it's set in the browser?
[09:34] <OptiPlex> use gmail and set up evolution to forward your mail :]
[09:35] <darksoul> polpak: meh i want to try gnome anyway lol..but ill try what you said
[09:35] <polpak> darksoul: I personally prefer gnome
[09:35] <wal> thoreauputic, thanks for your help
[09:35] <polpak> darksoul: but to each his own
[09:35] <darksoul> polpak: why?
[09:35] <polpak> darksoul: it's not built off of QT
[09:35] <darksoul> polpak: QT?
[09:35] <Drelives> ehm, i need another info, can u pls tell me how can i search a file in my ubuntu os???
[09:36] <OptiPlex> gnome is kewl
[09:36] <darksoul> Drelives: systimatic package manager
[09:36] <Drelives> what?
[09:36] <Drelives> r u talkin bout synaptic?
[09:36] <OptiPlex> I dont think this computer could handle all the visual effects that I like in KDE so Ill stick to gnome lol
[09:36] <darksoul> polpak: whats a QT, and why else do you like gnome?
[09:36] <foxgamer> Hi all.
[09:37] <OptiPlex> synaptic *slaps darksoul
[09:37] <foxgamer> Has anyone managed to get their ATI card working with the 64bit version of ubuntu? I'ts driving me mad!
[09:37] <darksoul> yea well its not installed here
[09:37] <lancer285> dammit I just wish Ipods played .OGG
[09:37] <darksoul> so i cant spell it right lol
[09:37] <OptiPlex> :]
[09:37] <derrickw> holy balls! while i was looking for a torrent for cadega, i found a wicked linux version of Creatures
[09:37] <derrickw> i miss that game
[09:37] <polpak> QT is the widget lib that KDE is built off of.  I think GTK (the widget lib gnome is built on ) has a cleaner programming interface
[09:37] <Drelives> maybe i din explain well.....i need to find a file into the computer
[09:37] <OptiPlex> QT is like GTK for KDE
[09:37] <OptiPlex> and its LEET :]
[09:37] <OptiPlex> hi
[09:37] <Drelives> i dun need an external packet
[09:38] <polpak> darksoul: I do some GUI programming, and GTK fits my needs better
[09:38] <darksoul> QptiPlex: yea you can run kde.. on my 98mb ram computer and 400mhz it could run freekin suse 9.2pro in kde, and then ubuntu server only mode. it could run 4 bots, 4 people or 8 people without bots..
[09:38] <OptiPlex> :[
[09:38] <polpak> Drelives: Try locate "filename"
[09:38] <OptiPlex> ok Drelives, if youre in GNOME go to Places, Search for files :]
[09:39] <polpak> Drelives: or do what Opti said
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Drelives: try the gnome search program - it's in the menu
[09:39] <Drelives> uh
[09:39] <Drelives> ok
[09:39] <Drelives> ty
[09:39] <Drelives> i'll try
[09:39] <polpak> Drelives: I'm just so used to using terminals
[09:39] <Drelives> thx vry much
[09:39] <OptiPlex> heh darksoul, this is ppc
[09:39] <durt> drelives: man locate
[09:39] <dooglus> lancer285: copy and paste the whole of http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4522 into your .bashrc
[09:39] <OptiPlex> with 384m of ram
[09:39] <OptiPlex> and I still dont trust it to run kde efficiently :]
[09:40] <durt> 3:40am - seriously bedtime
[09:40] <dooglus> lancer285: then in any new shell you start, you'll be able to just type "wav2mp3" to convert wavs to mp3s recursively
[09:41] <OptiPlex> mp3 support owns
[09:41] <darksoul> wow
[09:41] <lancer285> dooglus, awesome! I don't need the line numbers right??
[09:41] <darksoul> gnome fixed my entire problem
[09:41] <darksoul> hurray gnome!
[09:41] <OptiPlex> i had no idea how to fix synaptic then I removed the CD rep. gpg key and downloaded ONE file and it works now lol
[09:41] <darksoul> *bows*
[09:42] <lancer285> darksoul, shouldnt it by horray gnome?
[09:42] <Drelives> lol, i tried "locate / *.swf" but it started listing a lot of filese...maybe every file in the hd
[09:42] <Drelives> some tips???
[09:42] <local_> hello, everybody, during the install of ubuntu he never ask me for a root password and now i can't connect to my computer
[09:42] <local_> whats wrong
[09:42] <darksoul> lancer285: shutup its 1 am here
[09:42] <dooglus> lancer285: no, you don't want the numbers
[09:42] <lancer285> darksoul, lol (:
[09:42] <OptiPlex> WOOT!
[09:42] <polpak> Drelives: don't use the /
[09:42] <lancer285> dooglus, that's what I thought. thanks !!
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Drelives: no space between * and .swf
[09:42] <Drelives> there was no space
[09:42] <Drelives> and
[09:43] <Drelives> i also tried locate *.swf
[09:43] <darksoul> quick question, some apps didint install with gnome, how do i get them?
[09:43] <Drelives> but it didn't work
[09:43] <polpak> local_: you don't need a root password
[09:43] <polpak> darksoul: synaptic
[09:43] <lancer285> dooglus, this is my only option. I ripped all my cds, then my car got stolen and I lost them all. These .ogg rips are all I have now
[09:43] <local_> polpak, what ?? there is no root account on ubuntu ???
[09:43] <derrickw> local - ubuntu doesn't really use a root login. the user you create when you install is an admin; you can use that password where root is required.
[09:43] <darksoul> matter of fact..it looks like no gnome things installed...if i just got gnome-desktop what else do i need
[09:43] <thoreauputic> Drelives: first run  sudo updatedb
[09:44] <derrickw> you'll just use the command 'sudo' to do things as root
[09:44] <Drelives> thoreauputic, ok, i try
[09:44] <darksoul> polpak: i want everything that comes with gnome built in, if i just did gnome-desktop what else do i need?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> Drelives: locate needs an up to date database
[09:44] <thoreauputic> Drelives: takes a while for that comand to run
[09:44] <Drelives> i have time
[09:44] <Drelives> :D
[09:45] <local_> but i can't use apt-get install with this account, i don't have rights to open  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[09:45] <polpak> darksoul: I really don't know....
[09:45] <thoreauputic> darksoul: erm - try  ubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <mustard5> local_, close synaptic?
[09:45] <derrickw> although i actually enabled root in ubuntu because sometimes sudo'ing everything is a pain and being able to log in as root for directory management is nice
[09:45] <darksoul> i did
[09:45] <polpak> local_: use sudo apt-get install
[09:45] <th3flawl3ss1> i got a quick question about installing programs
[09:45] <darksoul> polpak: i dont have synaptic
[09:45] <apes> derrickw, no ROOT account is necessary
[09:45] <apes> just use sudo -s
[09:45] <derrickw> apes - it's nice to have
[09:45] <polpak> darksoul: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:46] <apes> derrickw, sudo -s is the same thing
[09:46] <lancer285> okay, now that I have my ogg conversion problem going, anyone wanna help me rip my DVDs to Mpeg4??
[09:46] <darksoul> thanks
[09:46] <apes> never create the root acount, gor security reasons
[09:46] <HaNazir> spliy?
[09:46] <darksoul> gnome isint to bad...kde was way to much like windows
[09:47] <polpak> darksoul: at some point you should really consider reinstalling the core CD so you won't run into any oddities
[09:47] <darksoul> it remined me of windows to..3 reinstalls in 2 days...so many crashes
[09:47] <darksoul> what core cd?
[09:47] <darksoul> you mean ubuntu cd isntall not kubuntu? i dont want to download another iso
[09:47] <OptiPlex> heh gnome looks more like win to me than kde
[09:47] <polpak> darksoul: the normal ubuntu install cd
[09:47] <apes> lancer285, use DVD::Rip
[09:47] <HaNazir> i forgot the root account passord and all account passwords, how do i reset the passwords?
[09:47] <Drelives> uhm, i found more, but i didn't find the file i was looking for yet, is there an option to search in hidden or system folders?
[09:47] <darksoul> polpak: i only got the kubuntu one lol
[09:48] <lancer285> apes, I'm having problems making go straight into mpg. it wants to use .avi
[09:48] <OptiPlex> heh kde/suse 8.2 reminds me of win too.. unstable as hell
[09:48] <polpak> darksoul: just start downloading the normal one, and leave it overnight
[09:48] <thoreauputic> Drelives: do you have any idea where what you want is located?
[09:48] <apes> Drelives, use find / -iname myfile.txt
[09:48] <OptiPlex> bbl lol
[09:48] <derrickw> yeah i ran suse for about an hour and i switched. it sucked.
[09:48] <derrickw> it was pretty but it wasn't very stable
[09:48] <apes> lancer285, you just said mpeg4!
[09:48] <Drelives> thoreauputic, no i don't have any idea, it's a temporary file, called di.swf, but it seems to be hiden
[09:49] <darksoul> polpak: why what does it have that kubuntu doesnt..besides kde and gnome..
[09:49] <lancer285> apes, it has an .avi extension? I thought it was m4v
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Drelives: if it's temporary it might be in /tmp  :)
[09:49] <apes> lancer285, all DVD discs are already MPEG2
[09:49] <nameless12> i installed the server version of ubuntu, i setup a few server things ftp and such. i then tried to install fluxbox but it did not install X and i need to startx... what do i apt-get to get it working properly
[09:49] <polpak> darksoul: nothing.. I'm sure if you knew how to do it you could configure the system to be identical to the standard Ubuntu install, but I don't know how, and you probably don't want to be bothered trying to do it
[09:49] <lancer285> apes, I'm wanting to rip them so I can play them on my new Ipod. (:
[09:50] <Hhhhh> how good is 64-bit support in ubuntu?
[09:50] <apes> lancer285, yeah i dont know what format it suppports
[09:50] <polpak> darksoul: so I recommend (particularly if you run into situations where stuff isn't working right, or you can't find what you're looking for) installing standard ubuntu
[09:50] <Drelives> thoreauputic, i already tried to search inside there, but i couldn't see anything....maybe it's like the content.ie5 folder in win32 os, you can't see it if you don't know how to spell it
[09:50] <darksoul> polpak: thats why i got linux...so i can configure it unlike windows..
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: how long is a piece odf string ?
[09:50] <th3flawl3ss1> does anybody know of a noob friendly way to install wine
[09:50] <darksoul> polpak: btw are there any real viruses out for linux yet?
[09:51] <polpak> th3flawl3ssl: buy cedega?
[09:51] <Hhhhh> thoreauputic: a string?
[09:51] <apes> darksoul, never
[09:51] <th3flawl3ss1> cedega?
[09:51] <gigcs> i try signatrue package ubuntu
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Drelives: possible - /tmp sometimes has cryptic stuff in it
[09:51] <gigcs> HowTo signature package
[09:51] <lancer285> apes, maybe I'll do a web how-to when I figure it out (:
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Hhhhh: "How good is"  X is kind of meaningless, don't you think ?
[09:51] <Drelives> thoreauputic, and....how to see it? :D
[09:51] <derrickw> yeah WINE isn't a very stable emulator. it's fine for small programs, useless for directx though
[09:52] <darksoul> apes: if you truly think that then i feel sorry for you, somone who uses linux will release a virus at a point, no system is safe from hackers. *sigh* i wish it was true lol