[11:05] <raphink> sharing with mac os is worse
[11:05] <raphink> sharing with windows is a very bad idea
[11:05] <raphink> ja _mindspin ;)
[11:05] <_mindspin> Hobbsee: ;-)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> _mindspin: that sounds a lot like german...or am i being tricked!
[11:05] <_mindspin> yep thats german
[11:06] <Hobbsee> ah...
[11:06] <raphink> _mindspin: es ist gut um mit spanischen mdchen zu sprechen
[11:06] <raphink> ;)
[11:06] <qos> raphink, did you try it?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> good to see ich habe vergessen alle meine Deutsch
[11:06] <raphink> qos: never had windows
[11:06] <raphink> but I wouldn't try it if I were you
[11:06] <_mindspin> spanish girls are very rare here ;-)
[11:06] <asraniel> i should also use my espagnol...
[11:06] <raphink> considering the issues I had sharing my settings with mac os x already
[11:06] <Hobbsee> speaking to spanish girls are you?
[11:07] <qos> raphink: ;) but i am searching an nice methode to share my browsersettings and emails on both systems
[11:07] <raphink> asraniel: tiens un francophone ;)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> cant type fast enough, clearly
[11:07] <asraniel> raphink: pas vraiment, je suis suisse-allemand, mais je m'en sort pas mal en francais, ou moins j'essaye
[11:07] <raphink> well you can still try qos
[11:08] <raphink> qos maybe save your settings first
[11:08] <raphink> and then try to share them
[11:08] <raphink> asraniel: c'est parceque tu as dit `espagnol' ;)
[11:08] <raphink> qui est un mot franais
[11:08] <asraniel> raphink: oui je viens de voir :-D c'est parceque je vis dans la partie francais de la suisse...
[11:08] <_mindspin> l'expression exaczte serais castilliano n'est pas ?
[11:09] <raphink> espanol serait dj bien
[11:09] <raphink> sinon castillano
[11:09] <raphink> ;)
[11:09] <helpme> ubuntu has docs when it gets installed...are there preinstalled docs in kubuntu too?
[11:09] <qos> raphink: sure, i already did. firefox starts and asks to select which profile, but the desired one is always in use.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> helpme: kmenu, help
[11:09] <asraniel> _mindspin: oui je crois, parceque si tu dis "espagnol" les cubains ou des autres americains latins sont vexer., je crois
[11:10] <el-stupido> how do I test if my mic is working?
[11:10] <raphink> you can try with krecord for ex el-stupido
[11:10] <_mindspin> but my french is just enough for shopping .....
[11:10] <raphink> hehe
[11:11] <raphink> where are you from _mindspin ?
[11:11] <_mindspin> germany/frankfurt area
[11:11] <raphink> ok
[11:11] <asraniel> -mindspin: its not that bad...
[11:11] <raphink> my german is not good either _mindspin
[11:11] <_mindspin> but I never feel confortable when speaking french
[11:12] <_mindspin> i love the english language
[11:12] <raphink> hey I just saw that I lost my keyboad selector in kicker ! :(
[11:12] <qos> _mindspin: och deutsch ist doch auch nicht schlecht ;)
[11:13] <asraniel> _mindspin: well, english is just simple.. french is a nice language, as is german. and spanish is nice too, but im realy bad at it :-D
[11:13] <raphink> lately I'm trying to learn dutch
[11:13] <raphink> this is terrible
[11:13] <_mindspin> dutch is also easy and nice language
[11:13] <raphink> I can understand when it's written
[11:13] <raphink> but when it's spoken it just doesn't sound like anything :s
[11:13] <_mindspin> ik hou van nederland ;-)
[11:13] <raphink> ja?
[11:14] <_mindspin> ja
[11:14] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <_mindspin> en ik geloof ik ben de eenige duitser ....
[11:14] <raphink> ik kan niets nerderlands goed spreken
[11:14] <raphink> not sure this is correct
[11:14] <_mindspin> leave out the s in niets and it is ok
[11:15] <raphink> :)
[11:15] <raphink> that's because it seems to me it's pronounced with an s when I hear it ;)
[11:15] <raphink> ik denk niet dat je de eenige duitser ben
[11:15] <_mindspin> pronounciation is difficult because there are some regional forms of dutch speaking
[11:15] <raphink> I'm used to Amsterdamer
[11:16] <raphink> well I have been mostly between den Haag and Amsterdam
[11:16] <_mindspin> but we are a minority here in moffenland
[11:16] <raphink> my best friend is from Aalsmeer
[11:16] <raphink> that's why I'm learning ;)
[11:16] <raphink> well trying to at least
[11:18] <_mindspin> what do you  think, when is kubuntu breezy ready for productional use? any guesses?
[11:21] <helpme> how fast do kde apps load in gnome? same as in kde or faster?
[11:21] <raphink>  you miss an option
[11:21] <el-stupido> raphink: i tar'd the krecord file.. nw how do i install it?
[11:22] <raphink> ouch
[11:22] <raphink> el-stupido: that's not the best wayto install programs on linux
[11:22] <raphink> yo uhave get used to easy ways to install programs ;)
[11:22] <el-stupido> raphink: lol .. can ya show me one?
[11:22] <raphink> you can install from adept or synaptic or kynaptic  or whatever
[11:22] <raphink> or from the console if you prefer
[11:22] <raphink> just open adept
[11:22] <raphink> search for krecord
[11:23] <raphink> and click install
[11:23] <el-stupido> oh that.. i tried... didnt find krecord
[11:23] <el-stupido> had to d/l it
[11:23] <helpme> how does adept fare with synaptic? what do u guys think?
[11:24] <raphink> didn't find krecord?
[11:24] <el-stupido> nope
[11:24] <comm[A|n] der> hi all
[11:24] <raphink> well then in a console
[11:24] <raphink> try
[11:24] <raphink> hmm
[11:24] <helpme> :(
[11:24] <raphink> that's weird
[11:25] <raphink> did you enable universe el-stupido ?
[11:25] <el-stupido> lemme see
[11:25] <el-stupido> dont see it
[11:26] <el-stupido> where do i do it from?
[11:26] <aftertaf> weird. a kubuntu hoary install cd worked on 3 PCs, now it cant copy kdelibs-data. system borking on install :/
[11:27] <raphink> wait a min el-stupido
[11:27] <aftertaf> tring the 5.10 iso freshly burned
[11:27] <aftertaf> !repositories
[11:27] <ubotu> sources is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:28] <raphink> el-stupido: in adept, go to Adept -> Manage repositories
[11:29] <el-stupido> raphink: ok
[11:29] <el-stupido> raphink: then?
[11:29] <raphink> then you look at what ubotu told you
[11:33] <el-stupido> ubotu hasnt told me anything yet lol
[11:33] <ubotu> el-stupido: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:33] <el-stupido> lol
[11:33] <raphink> el-stupido: look
[11:33] <raphink> !repositories
[11:33] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:33] <raphink> that was aimed to you
[11:33] <el-stupido> lol ok
[11:33] <el-stupido> sorry
[11:38] <auke> Hi, does anyone know what I basically need in order to be able to build software? I Already installed make, gcc and g++, but obviously that not all yet.
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> auke: build-essentails package
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[11:39] <raphink> auke when you need to buidl a package from source
[11:39] <raphink> for example package foo
[11:39] <raphink> you can run
[11:39] <raphink> sudo apt-get build-dep food
[11:39] <raphink> then
[11:39] <asraniel> there are kde updates in kubuntu, where can i find a list of changes?
[11:39] <raphink> sudo apt-get --build source foo
[11:40] <raphink> that will build the package
[11:40] <raphink> so to answer your question
[11:40] <raphink> sudo apt-get build-dep foo
[11:40] <raphink> should make you sure you have the right dev libs before building
[11:40] <auke> And what do i need if i want to do the ./ configure ands make stuff?
[11:41] <_mindspin> build essentials afaik
[11:41] <raphink> well just make, gcc and g++ most of the time
[11:42] <raphink> I'm off
[11:42] <raphink> later
[11:42] <_mindspin> but I would stick to ubuntian packages if possible
[11:42] <_mindspin> what do you want to install auke?
[11:43] <auke> Mindspin, i want to try to build lame. I haven't found a .deb for it
[11:43] <raphink> there is an ubuntu package for lame auke
[11:44] <raphink> do you have universe activated?
[11:44] <_mindspin> lame is in the repos yep
[11:45] <raphink> bye
[11:45] <_mindspin> au revoir
[11:45] <auke> Well, I guess I have to change something in my sources.list.
[11:46] <_mindspin> add universe and multiverse and you'll have nearly everything you want
[11:46] <aftertaf> i got a pb with kdelibs4 package on hoary cd install. CD not working, and i got breezy CD and added with apt-cdrom add.
[11:47] <_mindspin> maybe you should wait afew days if you use breezy
[11:47] <aftertaf> but i can't install anything cos it says kdelibs4 needs reinstalling and it cant find a candidate.
[11:47] <auke> Can you tell me to which line I have to add it?
[11:48] <aftertaf> anyone know a funky dpkg command i can use to tell it to stop messing me about?
[11:48] <_mindspin> auke: whereever you want ;-) i would suggest at end of file
[11:48] <_mindspin> aftertaf: sorry, no idea
[11:49] <aftertaf> auke:  add it to all of them.... heres my 3 line sources.list...
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:49] <aftertaf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:49] <aftertaf> short n sweet

[11:49] <_mindspin> smart
[11:49] <auke> Aftertaf, thank!
[11:50] <auke> Mindspin, Also thanks!
[11:50] <aftertaf> _mindspin:  hehe yeah :)
[11:50] <aftertaf> got it sorted, i think.
[11:51] <aftertaf> gave apt both cds and then did apt-get -m install
[11:51] <aftertaf> now crossing fingers
[11:51] <_mindspin> good luck
[11:52] <aftertaf> seems to work...
[11:52] <aftertaf> 600+ packages from the cd (no net access)
[11:54] <aftertaf> hmmm... buffer I/O error on device hdb (cdrom drive) logical block xxxxxx...
[11:54] <_mindspin> sounds like a corrupted cd
[11:54] <aftertaf> ive changed CDs, ive changed cdrom drives, i've changed IDE primary/secondary.
[11:54] <_mindspin> burn it again sam with lower speed
[11:55] <aftertaf> burned at 4x :/
[11:55] <_mindspin> thet helped me several times
[11:55] <_mindspin> ouch
[11:55] <_mindspin> changing RAM ??
[11:55] <aftertaf> done it once for linux-kernel-headers 2.6.11xxx.deb
[11:55] <aftertaf> RAM? realy?
[11:56] <_mindspin> sometimes RAM is the culprit
[11:56] <aftertaf> you think that could help?   seems to do it on same files each time.
[11:56] <aftertaf> 3 files borked on hoary CD
[11:56] <aftertaf> but cd worked on 3 installs and hasn't been used as a coffee mat or anything.
[11:56] <_mindspin> get you anew iso file and burn it again
[11:57] <_mindspin> or the machine is corrupted
[11:57] <aftertaf> i suspect motherboard
[11:57] <_mindspin> I have a pc here which never installed any linux
[11:57] <_mindspin> could be
[11:58] <_mindspin> which type of mboard?
[11:58] <sikor_sxe> i updated to breezy yesterday and after a bit of a hazzle i'm quite content, however i wonder where i can set firefox as my default browser now
[11:59] <_mindspin> in kontrol center?
[11:59] <_mindspin> file preferences?
[12:00] <aftertaf> aplication
[12:00] <aftertaf> component chooser methinks
[12:00] <aftertaf> Arrrrrrr ;)
[12:00] <sikor_sxe> uhm
[12:00] <sikor_sxe> i don't find that tab
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> there's no control center any more
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> it's system settings now
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> a found it
[12:01] <sikor_sxe> in user account
[12:04] <jeh_work> hm, qt4 can't be compiled on my breezy
[12:04] <gurtyea> #abandonware
[12:04] <jeh_work> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fvisibility=hidden"
[12:05] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox i have no problem. Any ideas ?
[12:05] <jeh_work> this with: g++ (GCC) 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8)
[12:06] <jeh_work> ok, there are packages of qt4 for breezy... fine, no need to compile then :)
[12:07] <jeh_work> hoary didn't jhave them, that's why i had a locally compiled version that i now tried to recompile...
[12:07] <propagandhi> !mark
[12:07] <ubotu> A -- MARK -- message is printed in the log every 15 minutes, so you know the logger is running. This is perfectly normal. Your kernel has not been hacked by a danish guy called 'Mark'.
[12:09] <jeh_work> heh, evil: Need to get 66.6MB/66.6MB of archives. After unpacking 234MB will be used
[12:09] <jeh_work> for qt4...
[12:12] <wks04> hai ada orang nggak
[12:15] <jeh_work> ok, when one is seriously hurt in the balls those words may be uttered
[12:16] <jeh_work> but then they are usually capitalized and with a extra exclamation mark
[12:17] <jeh_work> ah, the qt4 package is seriously broken. it can't be used together with an installed qt3
[12:18] <nikkia> jeh_work: for an end-user i certainly wouldn't suggest even contemplating installing Qt4 at this point
[12:18] <jeh_work> nikki_a: why not?
[12:19] <jeh_work> i want to continue developing my qt4 app, and as breezy can't compile qt4 from source i'm left with using the packages
[12:19] <nikkia> jeh_work: because KDE 3.x is written against Qt3, and there can be unintended interactions between KDE and an additional Qt install
[12:19] <propagandhi> #ubuntu-wont-have-us
[12:20] <jeh_work> nikkia: sure, i know that. i thought the package would be created to not break stuff. but i see it's not really even tested
[12:21] <jeh_work> all qt4's libs are libQt*, and not libqt* as for qt3, the binaries have an extra prefix -qt4, the includes are in /usr/include/qt4 so it looks ok
[12:22] <jeh_work> "extra postfix"
[12:22] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I am getting Unknown host messages while surfing with Konqueror may be 20% of time. But with Firefox, i have no problem. Any ideas ?
[12:23] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: i have seen that from time to time too, but have no real idea what's wrong
[12:23] <Java_the_Hutt> jeh_work: did it pass away ?
[12:24] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: just trying again solves it for me
[12:24] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: and it isn't 20% for me, maybe 1%
[12:25] <_mindspin> looks like a name resolution issu
[12:26] <_mindspin> e
[12:28] <Java_the_Hutt> _mindspin: But firefox works perfectly well how do you explain that ?
[12:28] <_mindspin> I f I could, I would
[12:29] <_mindspin> have a look if there's a differenc between your kcontrol network settings and the etries in your etc files concerning networking
[12:29] <jeh_work> hm, is the g++ in breezy very broken?
[12:30] <jeh_work> i get loads of these when even trying to compile anything qith qt4:
[12:30] <jeh_work>  /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qstyleoption.h:579: warning: `visibility' attribute does not apply to types
[12:30] <jeh_work> neither could qt4 itself be compiled due to -fvisibility not being recognized
[12:31] <propagandhi> anyone from australia
[12:31] <nikkia> jeh_work: is that a gcc 4.0 specific flag ?
[12:31] <jeh_work> nikkia: i would think so
[12:32] <jeh_work> nikkia: i have no idea why it's being used
[12:32] <jeh_work> maybe the qt4 packages are compiled with a newer compiler
[12:32] <nikkia> perhaps
[12:33] <nikkia> or an older one :)
[12:33] <nikkia> hmm, it looks like the visibility stuff is in gcc 3.4 at least
[12:33] <nikkia> there's a test suite for it, anyway
[12:33] <jeh_work> ah. this is in the depencencies: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)
[12:34] <nikkia> actually, looks like it might be the other way around, it was in gcc prior to 4.0 but might be broken/deprecated in 4
[12:34] <nikkia> the -fvisibility seems to be documented as far back as g++ 2.4 anyway
[12:34] <jeh_work> ok
[12:35] <jeh_work> 2.4? that's almost around my birth...
[12:35] <nikkia> (and it looks like a gcc extension that shouldn't be relied upon in code such as Qt, IMO)
[12:35] <nikkia> apparently, it provides finer grain access rights to class members
[12:35] <jeh_work> qt4 when compiled tries to use it. either by itself or then through some setting somewhere
[12:36] <jeh_work> yes it does
[12:37] <jeh_work> well, i won't go installing gcc-4 and see my whole system go down in flames
[12:37] <Java_the_Hutt> search lan
[12:37] <Java_the_Hutt> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:37] <jeh_work> but i can't compile qt4 myself nor can i use the packages. i guess i'm stuck using some other distro while waiting for the new kubuntu version
[12:38] <Java_the_Hutt> jeh_work: A possible reason may be, KDE's connection timeout is smaller than GTK's or what ever. Today my isp is very slow also. thus Firefox connects, konqueror drops the connection what do you think ?
[12:38] <mariux> hi, does anyone have a problem with the pc (laptop) going into suspend when logging into kde? It seems its the klaptopdaemons fault.... So my login takes about 15sec extra since it has to suspend and then resume to complete the login
[12:38] <jeh_work> Java_the_Hutt: seems possible, maybe even likely
[12:39] <nikkia> Java_the_Hutt: very plausible, i've noticed short timeouts on konqueror in the past
[12:40] <bleertep> cross your fingers for me please, i am dist-upgrding ^^
[12:40] <nikkia> actually, i'd say its likely in khtml, because when i used a mac i noticed similar 'firefox works, safari doesn't behaviour
[12:41] <aftertaf> anyone get arts control applet to work?
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> nikka in deed KDE's time out is about 10s
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> but really my isp sucks today
[12:43] <Java_the_Hutt> either with firefox or kde
[12:45] <mariux> does anyone really use noatun to play vids? it seems to me like it doesnt support any format, atleast not any i use
[12:45] <mariux> they work great in mplayer and vlc though
[12:49] <bleertep> hmm, i dont like noatun at all
[12:49] <morrow> any fixes available for this hibernate / splash thing?
[01:53] <kkathman> Good day all :)
[01:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: sir! o7
[01:53] <kkathman> Tm_T:  morning (here at least) o/
[01:54] <kkathman> Tm_T:  no need to salute :)  at ease :)
[01:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, sir
[01:54] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Im thinking maybe we need to remove the KDE 3.5beta2 from the topic...I dont think its ready
[01:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, there's afaik two issues with it
[01:55] <kkathman> Tm_T:  at least until they get a patch for the artsd issue...there may be other issues too
[01:55] <Tm_T> arts an kontact
[01:57] <kkathman> Tm_T: right, I mean, we are getting inundated with the same issues, and its pretty clear that the developers might have jumped the gun in the beta2 release...
[01:58] <kkathman> Wonder how they missed an artsd problem as severe as that?
[01:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think it's only Kubuntu issue
[01:59] <kkathman> ohhh..hmmm interesting
[01:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: I would think that it wouldnt be tho...KDE surely depends on the standard kernel yes?
[01:59] <Tm_T> yes
[02:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[02:00] <kkathman> and so, is ubuntu (kubuntu) changing the kernel so much that its incompatible?
[02:00] <kkathman> that doesnt seem likely
[02:01] <nikkia> could be out-of-date alsa or such
[02:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think it's just bad luck when building packages
[02:01] <kkathman> hmm nikkia  good point...and yes, might be bad packaging...that happens
[02:02] <kkathman> I am just saying we might not want to be encouraging people to try it out just yet :)
[02:03] <kkathman> I figure until adept updates my system with it, it isnt ready :)
[02:04] <Tm_T> :p
[02:04] <kkathman> you disagree?
[02:04] <Tm_T> well, I have no trouble at all with beta2
[02:05] <kkathman> you fixed the artsd issue, or just turned it off?
[02:05] <Tm_T> I don't use arts, I compile some progs myself etc
[02:05] <kkathman> gotcha
[02:05] <Tm_T> so to me, it's just fine
[02:05] <kkathman> well I'd do ok I suppose, cuz I dont use sound on my linux box, and dont use kontact
[02:06] <Tm_T> and blame me, it was me who said first "it's great, release it"
[02:06] <Tm_T> IIRC
[02:06] <kkathman> we wont blame you :)
[02:06] <Tm_T> :(
[02:06] <Tm_T> why not?
[02:06] <kkathman> cuz you didnt release it :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:07] <kkathman> but if it makes you feel better......
[02:07] <Tm_T> short moment I was important, or so I thought
[02:07] <kkathman> lol...you are important :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> =)
[02:08] <kkathman> I got Opera installed and running...works great now :)
[02:09] <Tm_T> :(
[02:09] <kkathman> sad face?
[02:10] <Tm_T> Opera :(
[02:10] <Tm_T> forced ads...
[02:10] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Not anymore
[02:11] <Tm_T> Juerd_: so I heard
[02:11] <kkathman> Tm_T: nope
[02:11] <Tm_T> Juerd_: but can't help, still feeling that way
[02:11] <Juerd_> Tm_T: That is your problem.
[02:11] <kkathman> Tm_T: they recently, with version 8.50 made the decision to freely distribute
[02:11] <kkathman> No ads
[02:11] <Juerd_> Tm_T: If you want to badmouth Opera, do it for one of the many real reasons.
[02:12] <kkathman> I use Opera on both Linux and Windows actually
[02:12] <Tm_T> I use Konqi, I'm happy with what I have to be happy with
[02:13] <kkathman> Browsers, I've found, tend to be a matter of taste and preference
[02:13] <Juerd_> I use firefox
[02:13] <Juerd_> Konqui lacks adblock :)
[02:13] <kkathman> I know lots of people that use firefox and even IE
[02:13] <Juerd_> And the web developer toolbar
[02:14] <Juerd_> (I want to enable/disable stuff easily. Stuff like javascript, animation, java, referer:, colors)
[02:14] <kkathman> Firefox under windows has a few probs (latest version only) with streaming audio
[02:14] <kkathman> Juerd_: thats pretty easy to do with Opera too
[02:15] <kkathman> both FF and Opera are nicely skinniable
[02:15] <Juerd_> What's pretty easy?
[02:15] <Juerd_> More than two clicks is not acceptable.
[02:15] <kkathman> I think this next offering from IE will be multi-tab and skinniable
[02:15] <kkathman> two clicks is what it takes me in Opera
[02:15] <Juerd_> Does Opera understand javascript already? :)
[02:16] <Juerd_> (Konqueror does it wrong too)
[02:16] <Juerd_> document.onload is supposed to be called when all images have loaded
[02:16] <Juerd_> Konqueror and Opera do it before then
[02:16] <Juerd_> There is no hard spec on this, but it'd be nice if they followed the major browsers (gecko, ie) on this, for compatibility.
[02:16] <kkathman> As far as I can tell it does, I use Jscrpt in my websites and it doesnt seem to have a prob
[02:16] <Juerd_> See photo.juerd.nl, and then any of the photo pages
[02:17] <Juerd_> You shouldn't see the photos load
[02:17] <kkathman> well, gecko is ONE standard
[02:17] <Juerd_> But instead a counter.
[02:17] <Juerd_> kkathman: Gecko does it consistently with netscape and ie.
[02:17] <kkathman> I'd prefer to see content as soon as its ready personally
[02:17] <Tm_T> Juerd_: ehm
[02:17] <Juerd_> kkathman: Besides that, Netscape practically invented Javascript, so it's always a good place to start :)
[02:17] <Tm_T> Juerd_: Konqi does have adblock
[02:17] <kkathman> lol
[02:17] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Oh, neat. Where?
[02:18] <kkathman> and we see how popular Netscape is now :)
[02:18] <Tm_T> Juerd_: just in konqi configure
[02:18] <Juerd_> kkathman: In the form of Gecko, very.
[02:18] <kkathman> Gecko is a good engine, no doubt
[02:19] <kkathman> Like I said, browsers tend to be a personal choice
[02:19] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Can't find it
[02:19] <Tm_T> Juerd_: your kde is...
[02:20] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Whatever comes with kubuntu breezy
[02:20] <kkathman> Im not that fond of Konqeror, because it tries to double as a browser and a file manager
[02:20] <Tm_T> Juerd_: hmm, in configure konqueror -> between java and fonts?
[02:20] <kkathman> Linux needs a really effective file manager
[02:20] <Juerd_> Tm_T: There's nothing in between the two.
[02:21] <Juerd_> kkathman: It is a great browser and a great file manager.
[02:21] <kkathman> Not in my opinion
[02:21] <Tm_T> Juerd_: strange...
[02:21] <Juerd_> kkathman: I'd prefer them separate too, but I do like both Konqueror as browser and it as fm.
[02:21] <Tm_T> Juerd_: all konqueror related packages are installed?
[02:22] <kkathman> In my opinion, its a fair browser, and a lousy file manager
[02:22] <Juerd_> Tm_T: Afaik
[02:22] <Tm_T> Juerd_: strange
[02:22] <kkathman> When I open a file manager, I want to see files immediately (your click thing for instance)
[02:23] <Juerd_> kkathman: Then open it that way
[02:23] <kkathman> I dont want to have to go to the "addressline" and put in a location
[02:23] <Tm_T> Juerd_: well, atleast it is here, KDE 3.5 beta2
[02:23] <Juerd_> kkathman: Go to your home directory with kubuntu. Instant file display.
[02:23] <Ichanz> hi all...
[02:23] <Juerd_> Tm_T: I'll wait for that then. Thanks
[02:23] <Tm_T> :)
[02:23] <Ichanz> how to make flashdisk appear on media:/ ????
[02:23] <kkathman> Juerd_: secondly, I dont like that I cannot have a tree on the left and files on the right on a consistent basis...or be able to have multiple instances open
[02:24] <kkathman> I dont want to open a "tab" for a subdirectory
[02:24] <kkathman> I want to see the subdirectory on the right..which isnt possible in Konq
[02:24] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help, i have a master HD where i mounted Kubuntu, and i have a slave where i mounted windows, can i browse my slave? how?
[02:25] <Kibou> where can I get some more info on katapult?
[02:27] <kkathman> Kibou: do an alt-f2 and type katapult ... this will start it for the first time and will then work from now on
[02:27] <tiit> NeedHelp: is windows fat or ntfs?
[02:27] <kkathman> then to use it, simply press alt-space and start typing the app
[02:27] <kkathman> !katapult
[02:27] <ubotu> I heard katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[02:28] <Juerd_> How is katapult better than alt+f2?
[02:28] <Juerd_> Alt+f2 is faster and understands non-kde applications
[02:28] <kkathman> Juerd_: autocomplete
[02:28] <kkathman> other than that, its about the same
[02:28] <Kibou> alrighty
[02:28] <Juerd_> I'd like to start, for example, firefox with katapult
[02:28] <Juerd_> But I have no idea how.
[02:29] <Ichanz> halooo I need Help... how to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/
[02:29] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help, i have a master HD where i mounted Kubuntu, and i have a slave where i mounted windows, can i browse my slave? how?
[02:29] <kkathman> Juerd_: type alt-space type fir  then hit return
[02:29] <Juerd_> kkathman: That gives me the "Firefox Central" bookmark... in Konqueror.
[02:29] <Kibou> hmm.. katapult completes to 'firefox central'
[02:29] <kkathman> Juerd_: yep
[02:29] <NeedHelp> tiit: i dunno!
[02:30] <Juerd_> It's not firefox. I wanted firefox.
[02:30] <kkathman> ohh..gotcha
[02:30] <kkathman> works that way for me cuz firefox is my default :)
[02:30] <kkathman> hehe
[02:30] <Juerd_> I like Konqueror as the default
[02:31] <Juerd_> That lets me easily see if I opened something, or if the computer did :)
[02:31] <tiit> NeedHelp: type fdisk -l (in terminal )
[02:31] <kkathman> since Katapult is new, Im not sure how apps get on its "registered" list
[02:31] <NeedHelp> tiit: fdisk is /sbin/fdisk
[02:31] <NeedHelp> bash: type: -l: not found
[02:32] <kkathman> I keep telling myself that katapult is new in this release of kubuntu and as such will evolve
[02:32] <tiit> or type "sudo fdisk -l"
[02:33] <kkathman> Juerd_: being a single click philosophy person myself, I just create an icon on the launch bar or on my desktop :)
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> this is the slave
[02:33] <tiit> and thats all?
[02:33] <NeedHelp> nono
[02:33] <NeedHelp> THis is all:
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hda: 203.9 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>56 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Dispositivo Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda1   *           1       24605   197639631   83  Linux
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda2           24606       24792     1502077+   5  Esteso
[02:33] <NeedHelp> /dev/hda5           24606       24792     1502046   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[02:33] <NeedHelp> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[02:33] <Juerd_> kkathman: I'm a zero clicker :)
[02:33] <NeedHelp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[02:34] <NeedHelp> Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:34] <NeedHelp> Dispositivo Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[02:34] <NeedHelp> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4110    33013543+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:34] <tiit> hm
[02:34] <Juerd_> kkathman: By default, I am using a text terminal. My hands are on the keyboard. I want to keep them there if possible.
[02:34] <tiit> windows is in ntfs
[02:34] <NeedHelp> so?
[02:34] <Juerd_> Also, after opening a browser, I will likely be typing an address
[02:34] <Juerd_> So the round trip to and from the mouse is a lot of work
[02:34] <tiit> there are some problems with ntfs support in kernel
[02:34] <NeedHelp> oh :|
[02:35] <tiit> with fat, no problem
[02:35] <NeedHelp> So i cant browse?
[02:35] <tiit> i'll try to mount my ntfs disk
[02:35] <NeedHelp> ok, i have icq, if u want 162936541
[02:36] <tiit> I don't use icq
[02:36] <NeedHelp> Do you use something? :P
[02:36] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  could you use pastebin?
[02:36] <kkathman> Juerd_: hehe
[02:37] <NeedHelp> aftertaf: What? XD
[02:37] <kkathman> Juerd_: have you upgraded to breezy yet?
[02:37] <aftertaf> :]
[02:37] <Juerd_> kkathman: Yes.
[02:38] <kkathman> Juerd_: there is much less configuration for Konq now, and as such, I've been unable to get it to launch only in file manager mode.
[02:38] <kkathman> thats why I said there is a real need for a good file manager in Linux
[02:38] <tiit> NeedHelp: type "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[02:38] <NeedHelp> typed
[02:39] <tiit> then "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222"
[02:39] <aftertaf> kkathman:  i run konq then hit F9
[02:39] <NeedHelp> did
[02:40] <NeedHelp> now? What must i do?
[02:40] <Juerd_> kkathman: Try the tree-only viewm
[02:40] <Juerd_> s/m$//
[02:40] <tiit> then open konqeror
[02:40] <Juerd_> kkathman: It takes some getting used to, but I love it.
[02:40] <tiit> or nautilus
[02:40] <NeedHelp> WOW! THANKS
[02:40] <NeedHelp> I VIEWED
[02:40] <NeedHelp> I LOVE YOU!! :*
[02:40] <NeedHelp> Thanks a lot
[02:40] <tiit> :)
[02:41] <tiit> if you want to mount this disk on boot
[02:41] <tiit> then you need edit /etc/fstab
[02:42] <Juerd_> kkathman: And you can try F9 :)
[02:42] <kkathman> aftertaf: now thats a great thing I didnt know!!  In my case though it opened bookmarks, but I just clicked to HOME
[02:42] <aftertaf> :)
[02:42] <Juerd_> Oh, aftertaf said that already
[02:42] <tiit> NeedHelp: this windows is read only, no write rights!
[02:42] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:43] <kkathman> aftertaf: once you go to the HOME and exit, from now on it comes up home...excellent...thank you :)
[02:43] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[02:43] <Juerd_> kkathman: Still, do try the single pane tree view
[02:43] <kkathman> Juerd_: wow ok...the F9 thing made all the difference..this is actually what I want:)
[02:44] <mariux> anyone wanna doublecheck a bug for me?
[02:44] <aftertaf> loooooool
[02:44] <aftertaf> :)
[02:44] <Juerd_> The single pane thing lets you have several folders open at the same time
[02:44] <aftertaf> mariux:  fire away hombr?
[02:44] <mariux> http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov07.pdf download that one and "preview in kpdf" in konqueror
[02:44] <Juerd_> So you can see the contents of multiple folders at the same time.
[02:44] <mariux> it should open but show just a cross over the page
[02:45] <Juerd_> I have it open all the time.
[02:45] <tvo> could someone running breezy open this pdf in konqueror or kpdf and tell me what he/she sees? --> http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=13038&action=view
[02:45] <mariux> now try to close the tab in konqueror and konqueror will freeze
[02:45] <kkathman> now it would be nice if you just clicked the Konq icon and it would come up this way without F9 :)
[02:45] <mariux> tvo: !!!
[02:45] <Juerd_> It also encourages you to keep directories small. But that proves handy in more places too
[02:45] <kkathman> mariux: it didnt for me
[02:45] <mariux> didnt crash?
[02:45] <mariux> did you preview it inside konqueror?
[02:45] <mariux> doesnt crash with the standalone kpdf app
[02:46] <aftertaf> ohhhhhh preview ;)
[02:46] <tvo> oh sorry I didn't notice this was about kpdf&konqueror too :)
[02:46] <mariux> neither does it crash (and it actually displays the file) with kghostview
[02:46] <kkathman> mariux: nope I had preview on too...didnt crash on me
[02:47] <aftertaf> i had preview auto, thx to ??
[02:47] <mariux> did it show the content with the kpdf embedded?
[02:47] <Kibou> can you somehow show hidden folders in the tree view?
[02:47] <Juerd_> kkathman: In the setting menu, choose to save the profile.
[02:47] <aftertaf> opened in kpdf had a dcop error but konq cloed ok.
[02:47] <mariux> mine only shows the content with kghostview embedded
[02:47] <kkathman> mariux: I just navigated to a directory of photos, and it works fine
[02:48] <Juerd_> kkathman: That lets you open it the next time without having to press F9
[02:48] <kkathman> Juerd_: excellent!! Many thanx :)
[02:48] <Juerd_> You're welcome
[02:48] <mariux> well when i open preview it in kpdf it doesnt show anything but nothing hangs, so i can change tab and do whatever, but when i go back to the tab later and try to close it it will hang
[02:49] <kkathman> mariux: oh you mean a pdf...hadnt tried that
[02:49] <mariux> i got a stalled on that file tvo
[02:49] <mariux> not any pdf
[02:49] <NeedHelp> Hi, i installed wine, and i restarted my siste, but an error comes up: "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution" It appears every time i install a new packet by Adept,if i disinstall it the error doesen't come up can u help me?
[02:49] <mariux> http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov07.pdf that pdf
[02:49] <tvo> mariux: huh, strange
[02:50] <mariux> and also http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/TMA4100/2005h/Ovinger/aud/audov03fasit.pdf i think
[02:50] <tvo> mariux: my konqueror get's stalled on your pdf..
[02:50] <mariux> when trying to close it, correct?
[02:50] <aftertaf> or set up a shortcut running konqueror with arguments....
[02:51] <aftertaf> konqueror --profile filemanagement
[02:51] <aftertaf> konqueror --profiles   shows you wich ones :)
[02:51] <mariux> ill submit a bug rthen
[02:51] <mariux> *bug-report then
[02:51] <aftertaf> NeedHelp:  let go of windows ;)
[02:52] <tvo> mariux: yeah, when closing it, but only if there is at least 1 other tab open (as you say)
[02:52] <NeedHelp> Hi, i installed wine, and i restarted my siste, but an error comes up: "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution" It appears every time i install a new packet by Adept,if i disinstall it the error doesen't come up can u help me?
[02:53] <Juerd_> aftertaf: filemanagement doesn't include the panel by default
[02:54] <kkathman> NeedHelp: wine is not always reliable
[02:54] <aftertaf> kkathman:  konqueror --profile filemanagement, save the profile with F9 pressed, then try again.
[02:54] <aftertaf> Juerd_:
[02:54] <kkathman> aftertaf: hehe got it already thanks :)
[02:54] <NeedHelp> kkathman: this problem appears EVERY TIME i install a new program, is not in specifical for wine
[02:54] <aftertaf> Juerd_:  sorry ... ;)        did what i said, it works(tm)
[02:55] <kkathman> NeedHelp: a new windows program?
[02:56] <NeedHelp> kkathman: no , a new program downloaded by adept
[02:58] <NeedHelp> it worked for a wile, then it don't worked
[02:58] <kkathman> NeedHelp: what happens if you try to install the new program using apt-get?
[02:58] <NeedHelp> it install it
[02:58] <NeedHelp> and then when i restart my pc
[02:58] <NeedHelp> i enter kubuntu and it says "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution""
[02:58] <kkathman> NeedHelp: Have you tried uninstalling wine, then try Adept again?
[02:59] <NeedHelp> if i unisnstall wine it works without "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"" but if i install EVERY PROGRAM by adept, it appears"the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"" at the reboot
[03:00] <kkathman> NeedHelp: Hmm... I have not had this problem at all. Did this start after you installed wine?  Wine is very unpredictable.
[03:01] <kkathman> Adept has run very well for me every time I've run it since my upgrade
[03:03] <NeedHelp> no it started after a friend sayed me to activate the full duplex, the system crashed, i rebooted and i've seen for the 1st time "the manager of the KDE devices is not in execution"so i deactivated the full duplex. But by there every time i install a program there is this problem
[03:04] <kkathman> NeedHelp: I searched the KDE database for that message and couldnt find any instance of it
[03:04] <NeedHelp> ok :\
[03:05] <mariux> you running 3.4.3 tvo ?
[03:05] <kkathman> but, you might report your expereince as a bug to the kubuntu developers
[03:05] <NeedHelp> howto?
[03:05] <NeedHelp> howto report im sayng
[03:05] <tvo> mariux: kpdf 3.4.3 on kde 3.5beta1
[03:06] <mariux> super :)
[03:07] <ican> help ::: how to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/
[03:07] <kkathman> oops he left :)
[03:07] <kkathman> oh well
[03:07] <kkathman> !bugs
[03:07] <aftertaf> lol
[03:08] <kkathman> hehe
[03:08] <kkathman> guess ubotu doesnt know about bugs
[03:08] <mariux> tvo: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114686
[03:16] <inventas> _:D
[03:16] <inventas> can any 1 tell me a web to get cool stuff for linux ??
[03:16] <inventas> can any 1 tell me a web to get cool stuff for linux ??
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[03:20] <aftertaf> inventas:  what is your dfinition of cool stuff?
[03:20] <aftertaf> inventas:  a fridge seller?
[03:20] <aftertaf> www.electrolux.com ?
[03:21] <aftertaf> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:21] <nikkia> aftertaf: maybe one of those 'smart fridges' runs linux + qt/embedded
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[03:22] <inventas> som plus to linux
[03:22] <aftertaf> nikki_a:   :]
[03:22] <nikkia> case in point:   http://www.redflag-linux.com/chanpin_old/ecp.php?id=10000008  <- hot linux stuff!
[03:25] <aftertaf> omg my laptop is at 93?c
[03:25] <aftertaf> :O
[03:25] <Tm_T> aftertaf: is it laptop or just coffeemaker with lcd?
[03:25] <nikkia> aftertaf: probably a lie, i let mine run to about '80C' as reported by acpi, as that's the best 'lap warming' level :)
[03:26] <aftertaf> looool
[03:26] <nikkia> when its stone-cold acpi reports 35C, so i don't believe its numbers very much
[03:26] <aftertaf> e17 candy says 93?     but the bugger is hot !
[03:26] <nikkia> turn the fan on, then :P
[03:30] <ican> anyone can help me???
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ican: no, we all sit here for teh pleasure of it :D
[03:32] <kkathman> Tm_T: is Kontact the program that gets news from things like KDE.org?  I forget
[03:33] <nikkia> kkathman: it can, it can do lots of things
[03:33] <nikkia> one thing it doesn't do, that i wish it would, is take over from korganizer's system tray icon
[03:34] <ican> but i was asking many times... nobody answer me.... How to make sda1 appear on konqueror mediaL/
[03:34] <ican> but i was asking many times... nobody answer me.... How to make sda1 appear on konqueror media:/
[03:35] <kkathman> nikkia: I used to use something, and I think it was kontact, to get updates from kde.org and related sites. Just was verifying...I wont use it for mail...I use thunderbird for that
[03:36] <nikkia> i just use it as a better, and single, interface to korganiser and kaddressbook's functionality
[03:36] <kkathman> ahh yes thats what it was...it still has my defauts :)
[03:37] <kkathman> I could never really get that korganizer working the way I wanted.
[03:37] <kkathman> but honestly I didnt spent alot of time with it
[03:37] <ican> kubuntu suck.... it doesnt even recognized flashdisk easily
[03:38] <kkathman> ican: before you make such a broad statement, what have you tried?  Mine works just fine.
[03:39] <ican> i really do.... try to plug in flashdisk... and error message will appear
[03:39] <Riddell> ican: you need the updated kdebase from breezy-updates
[03:39] <kkathman> ican: that could be many things...did you recently upgrade or install from scratch?
[03:40] <kkathman> Greetings Riddell :)
 ican: you need the updated kdebase from breezy-updates <-- see above... i have ask many times.. no one answered... geee.. this is the answer... THANKS
[03:42] <kkathman> ican: there are always many reasons why things dont work, and we dont always get around to answering questions immediately. Some people, like Riddell, may have personal experience, while others are trying to ascertain your issue. Please give us at least a chance.
[03:43] <ican> ok khatman...
[03:45] <raingrove> kubuntu rocks but thanks to some friend of mine i switched to suse and i find suse a little annoying in many aspects
[03:45] <ican> now.. next question... how to updated kdebase.. since i have use adept to update and the message says ... 'updated'
[03:46] <sproingie> suse has yast which is quite awesome.  also tuned better out of the box than redhat, that's for sure
[03:46] <sproingie> i have identical boxes at work, one's running rhel, the other suse9.  the suse box runs circles around the rh box
[03:46] <sproingie> probably owing to filesystem-intensive work and suse's choice of reiserfs
[03:48] <tvo> anyone mind testing this pdf file? --> http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=13038&action=view
[03:48] <kkathman> ican: so you ran adept, clicked the "Fetch Updates"
[03:49] <ican> ok... i will try
[03:49] <raingrove> sproingie, yast is indeed good, but i find deb package system better
[03:49] <ican> thanks very much kkathman
[03:49] <kkathman> tvo: looks good to me :)
[03:49] <sproingie> raingrove: i find deb and rpm about the same.  apt certainly has more mature repositories than most rpm repos
[03:49] <raingrove> sproingie, yast is still the best rpm package manager i've seen though
[03:50] <sproingie> raingrove: yast is an everything-manager, that's what's great about it.  transactional configuration changes with rollback ability ... quite nice
[03:50] <tvo> kkathman: no rectangles instead of greek symbols?
[03:50] <luminoso> hi people.. i am a newbie and i'm having problems dealing with pendrives... i can access only when using su on console...
[03:51] <kkathman> tvo: they all looked like basic formulas with rho and deltas
[03:51] <kkathman> all the greek symbols were fine
[03:51] <tvo> kkathman: what are you running, hoary or breezy?
[03:51] <kkathman> tvo: breezy and It launched in Firefox
[03:52] <kkathman> tvo: using xpdf
[03:52] <tvo> kkathman: ah ok, that might explain it. Mind opening the pdf in konqueror or kpdf?
[03:52] <kkathman> tvo: will do... one moment please
[03:53] <luminoso> please.. someone can tell me to solve this?
[03:53] <tvo> ok thanks
[03:54] <kkathman> tvo: uhm...yes they are rectangles
[03:58] <tvo> kkathman: ok thanks, so it's not just my system
[04:02] <kkathman> greetings hussam!
[04:02] <kkathman> tvo: nope seems to be an issue with Konqueror or kpdf
[04:02] <kkathman> tvo: firefox and xpdf rendered it just fine
[04:03] <tvo> kkathman: yup, and kghostview renders it fine too; I already filed a bug
[04:03] <kkathman> luminoso: is your pendrive a USB?
[04:04] <luminoso> yes kkathman
[04:05] <hussam> kkathman: hey buddy, what's up?
[04:06] <kkathman> luminoso: are you running breezy or hoary?
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> i have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted in sources.list but I do not see the updated packages
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> for hal/gpg/konsole
[04:08] <seaLne> i'haven't seen them either
[04:09] <kkathman> ubotu: tell reagleBRKLN about gpgerr
[04:09] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:10] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: check you PM
[04:10] <kkathman> your
[04:10] <kkathman> hussam: good to see you everything ok with you today?
[04:11] <hussam> kkathman: yeah. it's been a fun day.
[04:11] <kkathman> great to hear!
[04:14] <hussam> how come Linux recognises my DVD-rom dirve as CD-rom drive? ( I can still read dvds fine ) Could it be a bios thing?
[04:16] <raingrove> hussam / i am sure it is recognized as dvd rom..perhaps just the icon?
[04:16] <shantanu> Bitchx is a text mode IRC client right?
[04:17] <el-stupido> Bitchx is a text mode IRC client right?
[04:17] <hussam> raingrove: under media:/ it is CD-ROM (hdd) and not DVD-ROM but yes, it does read files from DVDs fine
[04:19] <luminoso> kkathman, 5.10
[04:19] <raingrove> right
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> Howdy. I just installed Kubuntu 5.10 (as
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> server) and on startup, sshd is not running
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> how to turn it on?
[04:21] <EcksEightySix> turn it on/automate it on startup ?
[04:21] <satafterh> after i installed breezy i have no access to my hd in media, any way to correct this?
[04:22] <raingrove> hussam/ mine is DVD-ROM/CD-RW and it just says "CD Recorder"
[04:22] <raingrove> it is fine though
[04:23] <EcksEightySix> any clue?
[04:23] <hussam> raingrove, can I see your /etc/fstab?
[04:24] <kkathman> luminoso: I believe there are a few bugs or issues with USB operation, but there may also be fixes
[04:24] <EcksEightySix> anyone know why a fresh breezy instal (as server) would not start sshd on startup ?
[04:26] <luminoso> kkathman, i am using a 5.10 fresh install
[04:26] <kkathman> luminoso: try going here and reading down the thread until you get to the USB issue: http://dot.kde.org/1126308415/
[04:27] <luminoso> humm
[04:27] <kkathman> there are a couple of suggestions if you keep reading
[04:28] <shantanu> Hello
[04:28] <Kibou> is there a way to prevent katapult to be loaded?
[04:28] <luminoso> thanks kkathman
[04:28] <hussam> EcksEightySix: not sure, try sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/ssh
[04:29] <Kibou> I'm not using it and I can't find the option to disable it..
[04:30] <kkathman> Kibou: just bring up the monitor and kill it I suppose
[04:30] <raphink> uninstall it
[04:30] <kkathman> its not like its obtrusive...it only takes up resource when you invoke it
[04:30] <Kibou> hmm... guess you're right..
[04:30] <reagleB> Is very good source line for mplayer Kplayer, or Xine? Also, unfortunately, since I want the latest version of KVirc out of Debian unstable, that might cause me some conflicts.
[04:31] <reagleB> s/very/there a/
[04:31] <StR> anyone using kde3.5b1?
[04:31] <kkathman> raphink: its a part of kubuntu, so Im not sure if you can uninstall it...can you?
[04:31] <raphink> StR: beta2 here
[04:31] <kkathman> you CAN stop it
[04:31] <raphink> you can install anything kkathman
[04:31] <raphink> uninstall sorry
[04:31] <StR> raphink: where are the rep for 3.5b2?
[04:31] <reagleB> Or, if I could get KVirc from somewhere else, that would be welcome
[04:31] <kkathman> really so how would you uninstall katapult?
[04:32] <raphink> sudo apt-get remove katapult I
[04:32] <raphink> I guess
[04:32] <raphink> sorry without the I in the end
[04:32] <raphink> StR: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[04:32] <raphink> sorry
[04:32] <raphink> StR: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[04:32] <raphink> not very stable to my opinion though
[04:32] <hussam> How do I use katapult?
[04:32] <kkathman> the beta2 is not advised
[04:33] <raphink> I don't have katapult btw
[04:33] <kkathman> uboto: tell hussam about katapult
[04:33] <kkathman> oops
[04:33] <StR> raphink: thanks
[04:33] <kkathman> ubotu: tell hussam about katapult
[04:33] <kkathman> hussam: check PM
[04:33] <raphink> ubotu tell hussam about katapult
[04:34] <raphink> without : I think
[04:34] <kkathman> nah it worked
[04:34] <raphink> ok :)
[04:34] <kkathman> hehe
[04:34] <raphink> does it work with `me' ?
[04:34] <raphink> like
[04:34] <kkathman> dunno
[04:34] <kkathman> tryit :)
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: or just !tell
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser>  :)
[04:34] <raphink> ubotu: tell me about k3b
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell raphink about k3b
[04:35] <raphink> oh yes it works
[04:35] <hussam> I ran katapult but alt+space does nothing
[04:35] <kkathman> kewl
[04:35] <raphink> but it doen't konw what k3b is
[04:35] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks...nice tip :)
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:35] <raphink> ubotu tell me a story
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu k3b is this burning app!
[04:35] <ubotu> okay, Kamping_Kaiser
 No, raphink, I won't. (target invalid?)
[04:35] <kkathman> now, if Konversation would just get the capabiltiy to make macros like mIRC :)
[04:35] <raphink> lol
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> !k3b
[04:35] <ubotu> methinks k3b is this burning app!
[04:36] <raphink> you can make macros in konversation kkathman
[04:36] <musti> hello.. i need some help.. how can i listen my mp3s.. i got a win xp with nfts system.. but parrelel i use kubuntu..
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: what is k3b? may as well make the entry usefull :D
[04:36] <raphink> you can make scripts in bash, perl, whatever
[04:36] <kkathman> raphink: hey..really???? can you tell me how?
[04:36] <raphink> sure
[04:36] <kkathman> I dunno about k3b
[04:36] <raphink> kkathman: the scripts are in /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/
[04:37] <kkathman> raphink: just edit with gedit or something?
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info k3b
[04:37] <raphink> then you can add them to konversation in Configure > Configure Konversation > Aliases
[04:37] <ubotu> k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3658 kB, Installed size: 7880 kB
[04:37] <raphink> with whatever you want kkathman
[04:37] <raphink> k3b is the best burning GUI imho
[04:37] <raphink> :)
[04:37] <kkathman> raphink: great thanks!
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: k3b is "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:37] <ubotu> ...but k3b is already something else...
[04:38] <raphink> kkathman: scripts often use dcop to make macros
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: forget k3b
[04:38] <ubotu> i forgot k3b, Kamping_Kaiser
[04:38] <raphink> so you can use the scripting language you want
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: k3b is "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:38] <raphink> using dcop inside it
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about k3b
[04:38] <raphink> ubotu: tell me everything
[04:39] <raphink> pff he won't tell me :(
 No, raphink, I won't. (target invalid?)
[04:39] <hussam> raphink: lol
[04:39] <kkathman> ask him to tel you about the meaning of life :)
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. i should have updated ubotu. lets try :D
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> !k3b
[04:39] <ubotu> k3b is probably "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[04:39] <raphink> ubotu: tell me about the meaning of life
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot
[04:40] <kkathman> !tell raphink about the answer to life
[04:40] <hussam> ubotu: tell me about the meaning of life
[04:40] <raphink> haha
[04:40] <raphink> good answer
 Someone already said that 13 seconds ago
[04:40] <kkathman> compliments of Douglas Adams
[04:40] <raphink> !tell hussam about the answer of life
[04:40] <raphink> yes kkathman
[04:40] <raphink> I thought it was Asimov
[04:40] <raphink> nm
[04:41] <kkathman> raphink: nah...Hitchhikers Guide
[04:41] <kkathman> raphink: what were you saying about dcop?
[04:41] <hussam> ubotu: tell me about the answer of life
[04:41] <kkathman> answer to life
[04:41] <raphink> kkathman: you can use dcop in your scripts to control kde programs
[04:41] <hussam> it doesn't know what is the answer of lif
[04:41] <hussam> life*
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> jees
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> just say it in chan
[04:42] <kkathman> hussam: try answer "to" life
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> leave the poor bot alone ppl ;)
[04:42] <kkathman> lol Kamping_Kaiser
[04:42] <raphink> you can easily browse the available dcop callings for each program using kdcop for example
[04:42] <hussam> poor bot lol
[04:42] <satafterh> trying to run gedit from root promt, get this error, anyone know what it means, (gedit:16477): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:??
[04:42] <mjpeg> hello. Is there a shn plugin for k3b?
[04:43] <raphink> sure satafterh
[04:43] <raphink> it is not good to use gui as root
[04:43] <raphink> ;)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: you ran sudo did you?
[04:43] <raphink> Kamping_Kaiser: I think he ran as su
[04:43] <raphink> rather than sudo
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> true.
[04:43] <satafterh> so gedit wont work as root?
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[04:43] <raphink> satafterh: what's the point in using gedit as root?
[04:44] <raphink> whta you can do satafterh is use kdesu
[04:44] <raphink> to run gedit with a sudo
[04:44] <raphink> run
[04:44] <raphink> kdesu gedit urlofyourfile
[04:44] <raphink> that will prompt for your password and open gedit as sudo
[04:45] <satafterh> want to edit souces.list. befor i upgraded I could just got to the apt dir and right click on it and edit as root but have no access to root dir any more
[04:45] <raphink> use nano
[04:45] <raphink> that's better
[04:45] <raphink> you make less mistakes ;)
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are you using gedit in kde? prefer it over kate?
[04:45] <raphink> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:45] <raphink> as normal user ;)
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> (intrest, i dont care either way)
[04:46] <raphink> kwrite powa :)
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:46] <raphink> Kamping_Kaiser: well I guess a typical gnome user who switched to kde and doesn't know we also have editors in here ;)
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: over in this retro joint? ;) no, we gnome users belive all kde users use nano :P
[04:47] <satafterh> ok i will try that, any way to get access to my mounted hd in storage media again?
[04:47] <raphink> what do you mean satafterh ?
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ntfs
[04:47] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: looked at that?
[04:48] <raphink> who talked about ntfs Kamping_Kaiser ?
[04:48] <satafterh> #raphink - all i see i storge media now is my floppy and dvd drives, hd is gone
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> his storage partition raphink
[04:49] <raphink> same here satafterh
[04:49] <raphink> I only have CD, DVD and removable medias in storage media
[04:49] <raphink> I don't have my partitions
[04:50] <satafterh> #raphink- is it a bug because it really bugs me lol
[04:50] <raphink> no idea
[04:50] <kkathman> raphink: you said Configure - Configure Konversation.....I dont seem to find "Configure" anywhere... Im sure Im just looking in the wrong place
[04:50] <raphink> you can go to /media
[04:50] <raphink> to see your drives
[04:50] <raphink> hmm I don't know the english version
[04:51] <raphink> here it's the 5th menu from the left
[04:51] <raphink> ;)
[04:51] <satafterh> you mean in the console
[04:51] <raphink> satafterh: no
[04:51] <raphink> in konqueror for example
[04:51] <raphink> go to /media
[04:51] <raphink> and you'll have your media
[04:51] <satafterh> #raphink - no its not there either
[04:51] <raphink> not sure this is what you want
[04:52] <raphink> what exactly do you want?
[04:52] <satafterh> #raphink - want to see my hd so i can access the root dir,
[04:53] <raphink> oh you want to access the root dir?
[04:53] <raphink> then type / in konqueror
[04:53] <satafterh> #raphink - that worked, you the man
[04:53] <raphink> well / is the roo
[04:54] <raphink> root
[04:54] <brizzio> salut
[04:54] <raphink> wherever
[04:54] <raphink> the storage media is a windows-like replacement tool
[04:54] <brizzio> je suis franaise
[04:54] <raphink> hi brizzio
[04:54] <kkathman> raphink: where is Configure?
[04:54] <brizzio> raphink speak french
[04:54] <satafterh> #raphink - so you do not see your hd either>
[04:54] <raphink> brizzio: tu peux aller sur #kubuntu-fr pour parler franais
[04:54] <brizzio> i am lost
[04:54] <raphink> no I don't see my hd either satafterh
[04:55] <raphink> brizzio: tape /join #kubuntu-fr
[04:55] <brizzio> merci
[04:55] <raphink> kkathman: I told you, in my konversation it's the 5th menu from the left
[04:55] <satafterh> thanks for the help
[04:55] <brizzio> tank
[04:55] <kkathman> k
[04:55] <raphink> you're welcome brizzio
[04:55] <raphink> sorry
[04:55] <raphink> I meant satafterh
[04:55] <raphink> ;)
[04:55] <brizzio> i am speak with you also you anderstand me?
[04:56] <raphink> satafterh: to access your root dir, it's always called /
[04:56] <raphink> even in console
[04:56] <raphink> you can type
[04:56] <raphink> cd /
[04:56] <Kibou> are there any drawbacks if I just deinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[04:56] <raphink> to go to your root dir
[04:56] <raphink> no Kibou
[04:56] <raphink> it won't deinstall anything
[04:56] <Kibou> ok
[04:56] <raphink> but the metapackage
[04:56] <raphink> you won't lose any program
[04:56] <kkathman> raphink: problem is...I dont have any menus on my konversation at all :)
[04:56] <raphink> ah
[04:56] <reagleB> kaffeine_part.desktop not found in search path.
[04:56] <reagleB> wuh?
[04:56] <raphink> wait a min kkathman I had found the solution to this
[04:57] <brizzio> raphink tu parles bien franais
[04:57] <satafterh> #raphink - thats good to know, I had always gone through media and clicked on my hd and entered that way
[04:57] <raphink> je suis franais brizzio a aide
[04:57] <brizzio> oui c'est sur tu peux me donner  ou  tuyaux je dbarque
[04:58] <raphink> brizzio: on va parler sur kubuntu-fr ok?
[05:00] <kkathman> oops
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[05:01] <satafterh> can somehelp edit my sources.list to show my newly download breezy dvd and not hoary cd
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> satafterh: run 'sudo apt-cdrom' in konsole
[05:04] <xuniL____> bhaa gott a problem now with X... it crashes then i turn on the computer..
[05:06] <kkathman> raphink: I keep looking all around for how to enable the dang menus in Konversation...there must be a way :)
[05:06] <raphink> yes and I found it some time ago
[05:06] <raphink> but not anymore
[05:06] <raphink> I keep searching
[05:10] <satafterh> where can i get a list of back port?
[05:14] <azertyuuu> hey all, what is the best PDF-viewer ?
[05:14] <cyne> kPDF
[05:16] <kkathman> azertyuuu: use xpdf if you need to see advanced formulae, because there is a bug in kpdf
[05:17] <kkathman> kdpf wont render certain characters, so you might want to make firefox your default browser and point it to xpdf for maxmum flexibility
[05:17] <mrmarcel> tag
[05:18] <pigpen_> anybody know why an ibook g3 would crash on wake-from-sleep ? fresh 5.1 kubuntu install
[05:20] <brizzio> re
[05:20] <raphink> re brizzio
[05:20] <raphink>  /join #kubuntu-fr
[05:20] <kkathman> raphink: Control-M
[05:20] <raphink> bien jou kkathman
[05:20] <raphink> :)
[05:20] <raphink> j'ai mis des mois  trouver
[05:20] <raphink> lol
[05:22] <kkathman> raphink: you're welcome :)
[05:22] <raphink> oups sorry
[05:22] <raphink> lol
[05:22] <reagleBRKLN> for the life of me, I cannot get to my LCD monitor to run at its optimum 60 Hz; as you can see in http://rafb.net/paste/results/O3igO382.html I even locked down VertRefresh     60 but still, it runs of 75 Hz
[05:28] <pupeno> Hello.
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol@quit
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi pupeno
[05:29] <pupeno> I have a clean kubuntu installation now. What method do you recommend to configure mi wifi card ?
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends on the card
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not entirely sure what you should do, i dont have a card myself
[05:30] <pupeno> the card is an atheros card that works very well with madwifi drivers. I had it working like a charm with Gentoo, but Kubuntu doesn't seem to be able to handle it.
[05:31] <raphink> did you try using kwifimanager pupeno ?
[05:32] <pupeno> raphink: I use it to watch the lever, but the configuration... will it write a coherent /etc/network/interfaces ?
[05:32] <gsuveg> re
[05:32] <raphink> no idea pupeno
[05:32] <gsuveg> anyone know, a breezy deb from kplayer ?
[05:33] <gsuveg> kaffeine insane slow play dvd
[05:33] <pupeno> raphink: be carefully then, a program like kwifimanager may screw up configurations.
[05:34] <raphink> I don't have a wifi card
[05:35] <pupeno> I've run kwifimanager and it is now a zombie process... I would say madwifi drivers on Ubuntu are totally screwed up.
[05:45] <kkathman> gsuveg: try this http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/518730/KPlayer.html
[05:45] <kkathman> no guarantees
[05:45] <Tm_T> why not Kmplayer?
[05:46] <Tm_T> kmplayer give more choices
[05:46] <kkathman> preach it Tm_T  :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> =)
[05:46] <gsuveg> Tm_T: are you joke ?
[05:46] <Tm_T> ?
[05:47] <Tm_T> are you insulting me?
[05:47] <Tm_T> gsuveg: yes, Kmplayer is better than Kplayer
[05:48] <gsuveg> Tm_T: ah. wehre is deb from it ?
[05:48] <Tm_T> gsuveg: Kplayer can use only mplayer, when in Kmplayer you can choose between mplayer, xine and gstreamer
[05:48] <Tm_T> gsuveg: I have no idea, I compile it myself
[05:48] <gsuveg> ok
[05:48] <Tm_T> making sure I get newest :p
[05:49] <kkathman> gstreamer...ughh
[05:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, as I said, it let you choose
[05:50] <Tm_T> and if mplayer/xine/gst crashes... Kmplayer doesn't care about it :p
[05:51] <gsuveg> Tm_T: cool. in src have debian dir! ;)
[05:51] <Tm_T> :)
[05:52] <gsuveg> it play dvd with menus ?
[05:52] <Tm_T> hmm, yes
[05:52] <gsuveg> thx
[05:53] <kkathman> Tm_T:  udaman
[05:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: you are from Finland yes?
[05:56] <Tm_T> yes
[05:56] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Are people from Finland called Finlanders?  Is that right?
[05:56] <Tm_T> eeeh
[05:56] <Tm_T> no
[05:56] <Tm_T> finnish
[05:56] <kkathman> ok...sorry
[05:56] <kkathman> thanx :)
[05:57] <Tm_T> Finlanders is really afwul band
[05:57] <kkathman> just wanted to be politically correct :)
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:57] <sproingie> what's that make linus then?
[05:57] <sproingie> he's from finland, but he's swedish
[05:57] <Riddell> he's finnish
[05:57] <Tm_T> sproingie: err, he is finnish
[05:58] <Tm_T> sproingie: but speak swedish
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: it makes him 'one of them' ;)
[05:59] <Tm_T> sproingie: minor part of finnish people talk swedish as their native language
[05:59] <sproingie> i guess the answer would be "ask linus"
[05:59] <Tm_T> sproingie: eh?
[05:59] <Tm_T> no need to bother him
[06:00] <Tm_T> sproingie: and because of that minority, all finnish kids have to learn swedish
[06:00] <Tm_T> :(
[06:00] <Tm_T> never learnt it properly
[06:01] <icewt> no, it's :)
[06:01] <icewt> the more languages you know the better
[06:01] <josh__> but that's quite confusing... because swedish compared to finnish is much more "easier",.. imho :)
[06:02] <Tm_T> jag mste sig att jag kan inte talar bra svenska
[06:02] <josh__> hej :D
[06:02] <Tm_T> josh__: yes, different "family" of language
[06:02] <sproingie> hmm boy.  ok, later all
[06:02] <Tm_T> polski perkele
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> later sproingie
[06:03] <gsuveg> Tm_T: ist rock!
[06:03] <gsuveg> thanks
[06:03] <Tm_T> gsuveg: np :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: you see?
[06:03] <gsuveg> not perfert, but it works ;)
[06:04] <Tm_T> gsuveg: nothings perfect
[06:04] <Tm_T> :)
[06:04] <kkathman> Tm_T: see what?
[06:05] <ep> I've got a FAT partition which is normally read only.    I dual boot.  The partition is normall read only for the normal user (me).  I can write to it as root.
[06:10] <ep> But if I'm root, I can't use kong for conveience.  At least i don't know how.
[06:11] <gsuveg> asraniel: what like a notebook ?
[06:11] <kkathman> I dont dual boot so I cant help you
[06:11] <el-stupido> anyone here play UT?
[06:11] <asraniel> gsuveg: acer travelmate 8103
[06:12] <gsuveg> proc ?
[06:12] <asraniel> gsuveg: wait, have to look at the spec, its new, only 3 hours old :-)
[06:12] <gsuveg> ah
[06:12] <gsuveg> then a centrino one ?
[06:12] <asraniel> gsuveg: yes
[06:13] <gsuveg> #define SLOW ?
[06:14] <asraniel> gsuveg: everything went fine (i had to use linux noapic to start) but then at the copy stage, it looks like stuck on 6%, but i see that the filename that its coping changes from time to time
[06:14] <buz> i got 3.5.b1 right now but the dist-upgrade to 3.5b2 says
[06:14] <buz> After unpacking 291MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:15] <buz> is that how it's supposed to be?
[06:15] <gsuveg> hmm. wait a little bit
[06:15] <gsuveg> asraniel: ^
[06:15] <asraniel> gsuveg: its just that its since 10 minutes or so on 6%, could there be some magic command to make it faster that i have too use as a bootparameter?
[06:16] <gsuveg> no
[06:16] <gsuveg> at the install it copy the debs to hdd and after reboot install it
[06:16] <kurtbec> anybody else getting broken packages errors when trying to install mozilla-mailnews
[06:17] <shantanu> Can anyone help me installing the NVidia drivers?
[06:17] <gsuveg> its cca 20-30min imho
[06:17] <gsuveg> shantanu: if you dont ask, nobody
[06:17] <shantanu> its giving me a gcc-version-check-failed error
[06:17] <shantanu> gsuveg  how do I fix that?
[06:18] <gsuveg> i dont know. i dont have nvidia
[06:18] <shantanu> gsuveg  lol thanx
[06:18] <shantanu> anyone else know how I can fix that?
[06:19] <ep> Can't  I can unmount and then remount the partition so that a normal user can write to it?
[06:21] <raphink> whether a normal user can write on a partition or not
[06:21] <raphink> depends mostly on whether he has writing rights or not
[06:21] <raphink> on the directories
[06:23] <el-stupido> apparently i seem to be compiling the NVidia Kernel with a diff version than the running Kernel anyone knows how i can change the running Kernel?
[06:23] <el-stupido> compiler
[06:23] <el-stupido> or change the compiler for the NVidia kernel?
[06:25] <gsuveg> Tm_T: are you instal it from deb ?
[06:25] <el-stupido> noone?
[06:25] <StR> Hi all!
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: you have to install gcc-3.4
[06:25] <StR> i'm trying to use 3.5b2... but arts crashes...
[06:25] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  how do i do that?
[06:26] <el-stupido> Adept?
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: using synaptic/kynaptic/apt/blah
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, adeot
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[06:26] <el-stupido> thankyou
[06:27] <StR> anyone here using kde3.5b2?
[06:28] <Tm_T> gsuveg: nope
[06:28] <gsuveg> thats the problem :)
[06:28] <Tm_T> gsuveg: if you mean kmplayer
[06:28] <gsuveg> Tm_T: yes. sry
[06:29] <Tm_T> gsuveg: I use svn trunk version of it
[06:29] <Tm_T> just like amarok
[06:29] <gsuveg> ok
[06:29] <StR> arts crashes in my kde 3.5b2
[06:29] <gsuveg> StR: are read it on kubuntu.or g?
[06:30] <Corvus> doesn't kaffeine work with gstreamer plugins ?
[06:30] <Tm_T> StR: yup, disable or downgrade
[06:30] <Tm_T> Corvus: dunno, Kmplayer does
[06:30] <ivo-s> Is there information about the media:/-Problem? My partitions are not there.
[06:30] <Corvus> ok, i will try
[06:30] <gsuveg> Tm_T: the debian dependecies dont good for breezy
[06:30] <StR> Tm_T: downgrade the full KDE, or just arts?
[06:30] <Tm_T> gsuveg: heh
[06:30] <Tm_T> StR: arts
[06:30] <gsuveg> msg ?
[06:30] <Corvus> the major problem i have with kaffeine is that it doens't play my dvd's
[06:31] <Corvus> and i have libdvdcss2 installed
[06:31] <StR> i'm thinkint on that...
[06:31] <Corvus> :/
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[06:31] <StR> but is it just me or every1else?
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: it's with everyone
[06:31] <Tm_T> StR: but propably you don't need arts at all
[06:32] <Corvus> any idea why it doesn't work ?
[06:32] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser hmm.. still wont work... gives me the same version check error
[06:32] <gsuveg>   kmplayer-lib: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.0-1) but it is not installable
[06:32] <gsuveg>                 Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[06:32] <gsuveg> Tm_T:
[06:32] <gsuveg> ^
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: before you run compile, in the terminal type "CC=gcc-3.4" and that *should* fix it, but i may be rembmering wrong
[06:32] <StR> Tm_T: why?
[06:33] <StR> Tm_T: I canont play any sounds without arts, can I?
[06:33] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  nah your right.. i remember that now
[06:34] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  why does the installer keep saying the current compiler is gcc-4.0 ?
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: im not sure, i havent done the nvidia compile since the gcc 3.4 -> 4 switch
[06:35] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  you think i should install gcc 4?
[06:36] <crimsun> el-stupido: that's because the current compiler IS gcc-4.0
[06:36] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser  basically can I lol
[06:36] <crimsun> you have to install build-essential and gcc-3.4
[06:36] <StR> are there any backports already for breezy?
[06:36] <crimsun> StR: no
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: try and find out what you ahve to do to make the compiler use gcc 3.4. try symlinking 3.4 to gcc instead of 4.02
[06:36] <StR> crimsun: thanks
[06:36] <crimsun> Kamping_Kaiser: don't recommend that
[06:36] <el-stupido> crimsun  okay
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: you can
[06:36] <StR> Tm_T: how?
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: I have full sounds, no arts
[06:36] <Tm_T> StR: well, what sounds you need?
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> crimsun: yeh, im a bit tired, so everying sounds like a good diea
[06:37] <crimsun> el-stupido: like Kamping_Kaiser recommended earlier, you need to export CC=gcc-3.4
[06:37] <Tm_T> StR: all media player know alsa
[06:37] <Tm_T> players
[06:37] <Tm_T> gsuveg: uhm, just compile and install traditional way?
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  i tried doing that.. but it keeps giving the same error saying current compiler is 4.0 not 3.4
[06:38] <Tm_T> StR: and for notify, you can use external player
[06:38] <gsuveg> Tm_T: yes :(
[06:38] <crimsun> el-stupido: did you type "export CC=gcc-3.4"?
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  i'm only doing it cos i think i need it to play UT
[06:38] <el-stupido> crimsun  no
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: what are you trying to compile?
[06:39] <el-stupido> NVidia graphics drivers x86
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[06:39] <el-stupido> crimsun  no
[06:39] <crimsun> el-stupido: there's no need to compile your own drivers; they're already compiled
[06:40] <crimsun> el-stupido: you just need to install nvidia-glx and run the enable glx command
[06:40] <crimsun> el-stupido: that page has a link to the relevant instructions for Nvidia
[06:40] <el-stupido> crimsun  i did install nvidia-glx
[06:40] <libben> xuniL____:
[06:41] <el-stupido> and i think i did enable glx
[06:41] <libben> xuniL____:  u had problems with getting the console down with the tilde key? the one under "ESC"?
[06:41] <el-stupido> crimsun  i installed UT using the Loki Linux Installer and it wont work
[06:41] <el-stupido> crimsun  have you installed UT?
[06:42] <crimsun> el-stupido: a long, long time ago, yes. My current machine doesn't have a CD-ROM or enough free HD space.
[06:42] <crimsun> (or a decent 3D chipset, for that matter)
[06:43] <el-stupido> crimsun  i have gcc-3.4 AND gcc-4.0 installed .. would that cause a problem?
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: no
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: what seems to be the problem regarding UT then?
[06:43] <el-stupido> crimsun  then why wont UT run?
[06:43] <crimsun> el-stupido: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:44] <el-stupido> okay
[06:45] <liamfoy> hmm, how come http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-rc-install-i386.iso isn't found?
[06:45] <el-stupido> crimsun  brb
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> liamfoy: its no longer an rc
[06:46] <liamfoy> so I want..?
[06:46] <jjesse> the install
[06:46] <liamfoy> This is on the 'download' page..
[06:46] <el-stupido> crimsun: which logs did you want?
[06:47] <crimsun> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:47] <el-stupido> Command not found?
[06:47] <el-stupido> crimsun: Command not found?
[06:48] <liamfoy> jjesse: Yes I understand that, but the link is what?
[06:48] <liamfoy> since that download page links to a bogus file..
[06:48] <crimsun> el-stupido: no, paste the log file onto the Web page
[06:48] <jjesse> liamfoy: ttp://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:48] <jjesse> s/h
[06:49] <el-stupido> crimsun: where do i find the log file?
[06:49] <crimsun> el-stupido: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:49] <crimsun> el-stupido: download this Python script: http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[06:49] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[06:50] <crimsun> el-stupido: read the instructions at the top, and modify it as necessary
[06:50] <el-stupido> crimsun: found it
[06:50] <elementarmy> what does "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" mean?
[06:50] <liamfoy> jjesse: yes, and click US
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: install build-essential
[06:50] <liamfoy> and try and download the x86
[06:50] <jjesse> liamfoy: hmmm having problems w/ the us, choose england or somethting else instead
[06:50] <elementarmy> what sould i do?
[06:50] <jjesse> liamfoy: just sent an note up
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: run the command I gave you
[06:50] <liamfoy> jjesse: cool, I was just kinda letting you guys know:)
[06:50] <crimsun> elementarmy: or use Adept to search and install build-essential
[06:50] <jjesse> thanks
[06:51] <el-stupido> crimsun: i've opened the log file.. now its huge.. you want me to paste everything?
[06:52] <elementarmy> your link is bringing up kate
[06:53] <jjesse> liamfoy try http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[06:53] <jjesse> doh
[06:53] <jjesse> liamfoy try http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[06:53] <reagleBRKLN> how do i enable Konqueror audio (mp3) file "previews"? used to work a while ago, but doesn't anymore. noatun and arts and such do work otherwise.
[06:53] <el-stupido> crimsun: i've opened the log file.. now its huge.. you want me to paste everything?
[06:54] <ivo-s> Is there a way to get the harddrive partitions back to media:/ and/or the desktop?
[06:55] <crimsun> el-stupido: use the Python script
[06:55] <el-stupido> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/398781   <--- thats the whole file
[06:56] <elementarmy> ok got build-esstinals but now it says "cant find x includes"
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and comment out the Load "GLcore" and Load "dri" lines
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: i have no clue as to what i do with the script or how i install it.. i can see what it does tho
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: forget the script
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: english plz lol i'm a new hehe
[06:57] <el-stupido> crimsun: could you guide me thru it?
[06:57] <crimsun> el-stupido: use an editor to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root
[06:57] <el-stupido> new=newb
[06:57] <el-stupido> like OpenOffice?
[06:58] <crimsun> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:58] <hussam> elementarmy: x includes, sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[06:58] <elementarmy> thanks
[06:59] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok Kate opened
[06:59] <hussam> elementarmy: what exactly do you want to compile?
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: is the conffile loaded?
[06:59] <el-stupido> crimsun: how do I check that?
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: there should be a file loaded in the editor
[06:59] <hussam> elementarmy: if it's a kde app, you may need kdelibs-dev as well
[06:59] <crimsun> el-stupido: a bunch of text
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun:  oh yeah it is .. i thought you meant loaded somewhere else sorry
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun: its loaded in Kate
[07:00] <elementarmy> ok
[07:00] <crimsun> el-stupido: ok, now scroll down to Section "Module"
[07:00] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[07:00] <crimsun> el-stupido: do you see a Load "dri" line?
[07:01] <el-stupido> crimsun: yeah
[07:01] <crimsun> el-stupido: put a # at the beginning of that line
[07:01] <el-stupido> ok
[07:01] <el-stupido> crimsun: done
[07:01] <crimsun> el-stupido: if you see a Load "GLcore" in that section, put a # at the beginning of that line, too
[07:02] <el-stupido> crimsun:  ok
[07:02] <crimsun> el-stupido: otherwise, if you don't see a Load "GLcore", just save the file, exit, and restart KDM
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun: i put the #
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun: i'l save and exit now
[07:03] <el-stupido> crimsun:  done
[07:04] <el-stupido> crimsun: what next?
[07:05] <Firetech> Are the HAL fixes still pending?
[07:05] <crimsun> el-stupido: restart KDM
[07:07] <el-stupido> crimsun: ok
[07:07] <el-stupido> brb
[07:08] <_elementarmy> why do i always lose my dsl connection when i use apt/
[07:08] <_elementarmy> *.
[07:08] <el-stupido> crimsun: back
[07:09] <el-stupido> crimsun: I'l chat from BitchX so i wont have to leave chat to restart kdm
[07:10] <el-stupido> shantanu: is me
[07:10] <el-stupido> lol
[07:10] <el-stupido> crimsun  you there?
[07:11] <crimsun> yes?
[07:11] <el-stupido> crimsun  what did we just do? lol
[07:11] <crimsun> el-stupido: does UT work now?
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  lemme check
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  still wont work :/
[07:12] <el-stupido> crimsun  same error....
[07:12] <elementarmy_> has anyone had probs with apt?
[07:13] <asraniel> ok, thats realy not normal, the installation is realy realy slow, but not frozen, if it continues at this speed it will take 24 hours or so...
[07:13] <crimsun> el-stupido: you never told me what the error is
[07:14] <elementarmy_> could someone help with a weird prob?
[07:15] <elementarmy_> por favor
[07:15] <Forgottendru> hey good morning
[07:16] <el-stupido> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/398799
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: that's not an Nvidia error, that's a configuration or Loki error
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: you need to read the instructions that Loki distributes
[07:17] <el-stupido> crimsun: How can I solve it?
[07:17] <woddf2> Haldo
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: Loki has instructions.
[07:17] <el-stupido> crimsun: i installed it exactly as per the instructions in the Debina Readme
[07:17] <woddf2> How do I enable the Dvorak layout?
[07:17] <el-stupido> Debian
[07:17] <crimsun> el-stupido: It can't find the data files.
[07:18] <Forgottendru> i am still having problems with kubuntu
[07:18] <crimsun> el-stupido: please read http://www.idoru.org/unreal.html
[07:18] <el-stupido> crimsun: but i can see the data files are installed when i look in the folders
[07:18] <woddf2> How do I enable the Dvorak layout?
[07:18] <woddf2> I can't find it.
[07:19] <crimsun> el-stupido: please use Google; I have to return to work.
[07:20] <raingrove> isn't it in regional & locale settings?
[07:20] <woddf2> No
[07:20] <el-stupido> crimsun: thank you for your time
[07:20] <Forgottendru> can someone help me?
[07:20] <Forgottendru> it wont let me get into network settings
[07:21] <hussam> Riddell: After today's kde update for breezy, media:/ is empty again.
[07:21] <Forgottendru> it asks for password for admin mode and nothing happens
[07:22] <hussam> Riddell: it wasn't empty in the kde that shipped with breezy.
[07:22] <woddf2> Why can't I find the Dvorak layout in Regional & Accessibility?
[07:22] <Forgottendru> probably havent installed it
[07:23] <woddf2> How do I do that?
[07:23] <Forgottendru> synaptic?
[07:23] <woddf2> I have Adept, but not Synaptic.
[07:23] <elementarmy_> ok i finally compiled crystal-0.9.5, but when i make i get nothing but erroers, could someone help/
[07:23] <elementarmy_> *?
[07:24] <Riddell> hussam: try inserting a CD
[07:24] <Riddell> or UBS stick
[07:25] <Forgottendru> half the time when i boot it doesnt recognise my sound card, half the time it does
[07:25] <hussam> Riddell: if I insert a CD, it will automount it and it will apear in media:/
[07:27] <frank23> woddf2: I think dvorak is in the variants
[07:27] <Forgottendru> im thinking of removing ubuntu because it is annoying me!
[07:28] <woddf2> Variants is blank.
[07:28] <Forgottendru> i will install suse
[07:28] <frank23> woddf2: install US then chose the dvorak variant
[07:29] <hussam> Riddell: but the tooltip over the icon says "mounted CD writer" although media:/hdd is a DVD-rom drive.
[07:29] <hussam> Riddell: my CD writer is /dev/hdc and not hdd
[07:30] <dreamwave> good morning.  on the gnome side, my windows partition shows up on the desktop.  how is this done on the kde side?  my flash drives are showing up correctly on the desktop and in media:/
[07:30] <BlankC> what happened to kcalc in breezy? Why did it get replaced with SpeedCrunch?
[07:32] <rysiek> hello all
[07:32] <rysiek> got a question (obviously ;)
[07:32] <chris-x> hey guys, any idea why vim isnt able to display colorschemes correctly? (gvim does) for example: zenburn
[07:32] <el-stupido> how do I uninstall a previousl installed game?
[07:33] <rysiek> I have installed lineakd, fighting with it to support my keyboard (and winning! ha!), and I want it to start with KDE
[07:33] <frank23> el-stupido: did you ever get ut to work?
[07:34] <rysiek> obviously it would be: screen -d -m lineakd [options]  - but the question is: how to make this line get executed when KDE starts?
[07:34] <el-stupido> frank23: apparently the installer i used from Loki gives that error
[07:34] <el-stupido> frank23: i downloaded a new linux installer (same file another source) and am trying now
[07:35] <el-stupido> frank23: but from what I read on the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67124&page=6&highlight=Unreal+Tournament <--- it should work
[07:35] <frank23> ok
[07:35] <bhna> how can i add my harddrives to media:/
[07:35] <rysiek> bhna: define them in /etc/fstab ;)
[07:36] <rysiek> bhna: man fstab and man mount I would suggest ;)
[07:36] <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway to get the default breezy behavior from before today's update for this?
[07:36] <bhna> rysiek: have it but htere are no hds in media:/
[07:36] <rysiek> hmmm
[07:37] <rysiek> mount -a maybe? :)
[07:37] <el-stupido> frank23: do you know how i can uninstall a previous game?
[07:37] <bhna> rysiek: there is only the floppy
[07:37] <rysiek> bhna: try "umount <your_newly_added_hd_device>"
[07:37] <rysiek> bhna: and then "mount <as_above>"
[07:38] <frank23> el-stupido: either you use loki installer to uninstall (I don't know it can or not) or you delete by hand
[07:38] <rysiek> bhna: e.g.: "umount /dev/sda1" and "mount /dev/sda1"
[07:38] <rysiek> bhna: this will (re)mount the drives
[07:38] <Riddell> hussam: turn off hal
[07:38] <bhna> rysiek: no effect
[07:38] <rysiek> hmmm
[07:38] <rysiek> have you re-loaded media:/ ?
[07:39] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:39] <rysiek> show me the fstab entries for one of the drives
[07:39] <bhna> rysiek: moment please
[07:39] <hussam> Riddell: automount already worked if the original kde from breezy.
[07:40] <hussam> Riddell: sorry, in* the original kde from breezy.
[07:40] <DocTomoe> how can I force a downgrade from beta2 to beta1 with apt-get?
[07:40] <bhna> rysiek: /dev/hda1       /media/hda1	ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[07:41] <rysiek> bhna: a-ha! do you have a space between /media/hda1 and ntfs?
[07:41] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:41] <rysiek> ok, then try adding "defaults" to options
[07:42] <rysiek> bhna: like "defaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222"
[07:42] <bhna> i cna mount my hda1 and i can copy form ha but there is no had1 in media:/
[07:43] <rysiek> ok, but do you have read permissions as a normal user?
[07:43] <bhna> rysiek: yes
[07:43] <rysiek> hmm
[07:43] <bhna> rysiek: this is my other hd /dev/hda7       /media/hda7     vfat    defaults        0       0
[07:43] <rysiek> then it has to be something with the media:/ magic, and it's beyond me :/
[07:43] <hussam> Riddell: I'll try rebooting
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: sorry
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna:
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: wait
[07:44] <rysiek> got an idea:
[07:44] <rysiek> bhna: umount the new drives
[07:45] <bhna> rysiek: ok just a moment
[07:45] <rysiek> and tell me, what do you have in the /media/ folder?
[07:45] <rysiek> bhna: ls -l /media/ will be ok :)
[07:46] <bhna> rysiek: in the /media folder is the hda1 folder
[07:46] <bhna> rysiek: but there is no hda icon in the kio-slave media:/
[07:47] <rysiek> bhna: I understand, but do you have the mount-points? I suppose you do, otherwise mount would complain about it, but I just want to check
[07:48] <rysiek> bhna: leave the kio-slave and go konsole ;)
[07:48] <bhna> rysiek: i have the mount-point. thats ok.
[07:48] <rysiek> bhna: then I don't have an idea, what's wrong
[07:49] <bhna> i have the hd cions in the media:/ before the updates
[07:49] <ivo-s> bhna: the same here
[07:49] <hussam> bhna: same here. it broke after today's breezy update
[07:50] <ivo-s> hussam: yes, same here
[07:50] <icewt> in the default kubuntu kde theme, when a window is not active, it's title becomes in a way blurred. is there a way to make it not become blurry?
[07:50] <bhna> Riddell: any solutions for our (hussam, ivo-s) problem?
[07:51] <icewt> i don't mind, but my sister won't move from windows to linux if the title become blurry :P
[07:51] <icewt> +s
[07:52] <Riddell> bhna: what's the problem?
[07:53] <elcuco> hi all,
[07:54] <elcuco> i am experiencing segfaults on the startup of many applications
[07:54] <elcuco> the funniest is apt-get
[07:54] <bhna> Riddell: there are no icons for mounted hds in media:/ only mounted usb-drives ans cdroms
[07:54] <Forgottendru> can you help me please
[07:54] <Forgottendru> i am having trouble
[07:55] <hussam> Riddell: even after the CD-ROM is mounted and konqueror opens media:/hdd , a small "Mounting /dev/hdd" stays on the screen saying 0% although /dev/hdd is already mounted
[07:56] <Riddell> bhna: you need to use fstab for hard disks
[07:56] <icewt> ah.. i got my problem fixed
[07:56] <patoruso> anyone speaks spanish?
[07:56] <hussam> Riddell: I press cancel on it since hdd is already mounted and the desktop freezes.
[07:57] <bhna> Riddell: the hds are in the fstab and mounted
[07:57] <hussam> Riddell: even if the hard disk is in fstab, it won't show in media:/ after today's update
[07:57] <frank23> !es
[07:57] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:58] <hussam> Riddell: the hds are still accessible in /media/ntfsdisk or similar
[07:58] <patoruso> i every1, i'll go to the point, i have ubuntu 5.04 and i want to switch to kubuntu 5.10, i downloaded and burned the cd but i want to have a clean installation how can i do this?, the pc has xp also ubuntu on a diferent partition, sorry for my english
[08:01] <DocTomoe> patoruso: how about editing your sources.list and doing a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:01] <rysiek> ok, trying to repeat my question: where should I put a single line I want to be executed when KDE starts?
[08:02] <patoruso> but i alreaady have the cd, and my internet conecction is not that fast, i got the cd from a friend
[08:02] <elementarmy> could someone help with compiling prob?
[08:02] <DocTomoe> rysiek: how about putting a softlink to ~/.kde/Autostart?
[08:02] <treefrog> frank32: if you are around.. the latest update fixed the amarok issue.
[08:02] <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway to disable the small "mounting /dev/hdd" window from appearing in the first place? it stays at 0% even after the cd is mounted and pressing "cancel" on it makes KDE hang.
[08:03] <patoruso> how do i do that?
[08:03] <rysiek> DocTomoe: thx, that may be it ;)
[08:03] <DocTomoe> patoruso: this really is too bad ... I really recommend not trying to "overwrite" an old ubuntu (or linux) distribution. try an upgrade, really
[08:03] <satafterh> KDE 3.5 Beta 2 buggs fixed yet?
[08:03] <xuniL____> okey i need help i cant start x.... then i turn linux on
[08:03] <DocTomoe> satafterh: not until beta3 or RC ;) Yes, I hate that, too
[08:04] <patoruso> i don't want to overwrite i want a clean instalation
[08:04] <satafterh> #DocTomoe - you exspect a few buggs as its beta but this one came with a gab full
[08:05] <DocTomoe> patoruso: If you insist (and again I advise against that!), backup ~/*, format your hard disk, install from scratch. installation CDs are not upgrade cds ...
[08:05] <satafterh> bag full
[08:05] <DocTomoe> satafterh: go tell me the obvious ... I am struggling with this myself (no, I am not a packager)
[08:06] <patoruso> i don't have any important data in this partition i already switch it to another hard disk
[08:06] <patoruso> that's why i want to have a clean instalation, but i want to keep xp on the other partition
[08:06] <satafterh> #DocTomoe - should be alfa not beta, lol
[08:06] <rysiek> pataruso: then just insert the cd
[08:07] <patoruso> and how do i format the linux partition
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: and do a normal install, but be carefull with the partitioning
[08:07] <patoruso> i've never done ir before
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: have you installed ubuntu/kubuntu yet?
[08:07] <patoruso> yes
[08:07] <DocTomoe> patoruso: then just install it again ...
[08:07] <rysiek> pataruso: ok, do you remember the small wizard for disk partitioning?
[08:07] <patoruso> format and install
[08:07] <patoruso> ok
[08:08] <patoruso> yes
[08:08] <rysiek> pataruso: just select the linux partitions to be formatted
[08:08] <patoruso> and how about the swap
[08:08] <puckman> Hey, I got a super weird problem
[08:08] <patoruso> how much do you recommend my pc is P4 2.4Ghz 256RAM
[08:09] <puckman> out of the blue konsole claims that whois and dig are unknown commands?
[08:09] <puckman> anyone ever had that?
[08:09] <DocTomoe> puckman: you might want to install them first ...
[08:09] <DocTomoe> sudo apt-get install whois dig
[08:10] <rysiek> pataruso: as far as I know swap should be ~2 times the RAM you have
[08:10] <puckman> ah, I had no idea they did not come installed
[08:10] <puckman> sorry
[08:10] <hussam> so does anyone know how to get media:/ to display mounted hard disks and unmounted CD-Roms again?
[08:10] <patoruso> ok thanks all of you, i'll try and come back if i have trouble
[08:11] <rysiek> pataruso: just watch out and don't touch the windows partitions :]
[08:11] <patoruso> ok
[08:11] <patoruso> i'll rememeber that
[08:11] <satafterh> can i install over my currant system to get kde 3.4.3 back with out messing everthing eles up?
[08:11] <rosco> hi
[08:11] <rysiek> ok, gtg guys
[08:11] <rysiek> cu all
[08:12] <raingrove> satafterh, ya
[08:14] <os2mac> is there a way to save you wlan0 settings (essid and key) so that you don't have to reset coming out from hibernation?
[08:14] <rosco> I've just installed kubuntu (5.10) but I cannot find the page related to the graphic card (nvidia). Is there a spcial way to do it in kubuntu ??
[08:15] <rosco> there is xserver, opengl, but nothing specific about the graphic card
[08:15] <frank23> !nvidia
[08:15] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:16] <frank23> you can use adept instead of synaptic
[08:16] <DocTomoe> os2mac: I am happily using wlassistant for this task ... you might want to look at kde-apps.org, because there is no native kubuntu package
[08:17] <frank23> os2mac: you can look into network-manager although I have never used it
[08:18] <rosco> ok, I'll use adept, but even if I didn't wanted to install nvidia driver, is there a control panel that shows me info about the graphic adapter ?
[08:18] <rosco> I found it in KDE (suse) but not in this KDE
[08:19] <frank23> rosco: what so you mean?  once the nvidia drivers are installed, nvidia-settings  can be used
[08:22] <rosco> frank23: I mean for example the panel where i can check the amount of memory of the card, or other parameters
[08:22] <DocTomoe> ok, I am trying this in another manner ... how can I make sure that all packages of my distribution are reinstalled?
[08:22] <frank23> rosco: nvidia-settings does that
[08:25] <libben> how do i mount manually my floppy
[08:25] <frank23> rosco: actually for nvidia-settings you also need to install the nvidia-settings package
[08:25] <NSK> libben: use the mount command
[08:28] <unsurreal> libben: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[08:29] <os2mac> Frank23: I can't get network-settings to save the settings for after hibernation.
[08:29] <Nightie> Hello, I'm running kubuntu 5.10 on my laptop. If I plug in the ethernet cable, I can't get connection... I have a router with dhcp that works PERFECTLY on my "tower-pc". Laptop has got eth0 for wireless and eth1 for wired network. Can you help me please?
[08:29] <os2mac> DocTomoe: I can't that package to install.
[08:30] <DocTomoe> right: You have to compile it from source ;)
[08:30] <os2mac> there is a .deb package.
[08:30] <DocTomoe> Nightie: What does sudo dhclient eth1 ?
[08:30] <DocTomoe> os2mac: right. for DEBIAN. You are using UBUNTU ;)
[08:31] <os2mac> hehe...
[08:31] <os2mac> but I thought they were the same (evil grin)
[08:31] <DocTomoe> well ... a Fiat uno and a tank resemble each other in a kind of way ... so do ubuntu and debian
[08:35] <Nightie2> DocTomoe: thanx, it works now! But... do I have to type this anytime I want to use my router?
[08:36] <DocTomoe> I am starting this tool and keep it in the background...solves my problem ...
[08:37] <Nightie2> which tool? are you talking to me?
[08:38] <os2mac> DocTomoe: I am not sure new software will fix it... I think it's not reading the /etc/network/interfaces file upon coming out of hibernation.
[08:39] <DocTomoe> Nightie2: mistook your statement ... You still want to give me info what dhclient eth0 does to your network problem
[08:40] <Nightie2> DocTomoe: well... I can surf the web, now... do you want me to write the output?
[08:40] <DocTomoe> Nightie2: ok, problem solved ;) you might want to add a line like that to /etc/init.d/networking
[08:41] <chuck87> hi!
[08:41] <Nightie2> well... great... I'm going to do it asap!
[08:42] <chuck87> does somebody can help me to update kubuntu 5.04 to 5.10?
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> howdy. is there a termcap package for ubuntu/kubuntu? tried almost every libtermcap combo with apt-get install, without much success
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> I have to install Sun Web Server, and it's setup require libtermcap.so.2
[08:43] <EcksEightySix> any hints?
[08:44] <Nightie2> Does anybody know what "irqpoll" parameter for kernel actually does?
[08:47] <chuck87> does anybody can help me to update kubuntu 5.04 to 5.10?
[08:50] <EcksEightySix> howdy. what package should I install if I need libtermcap.so.2 (tried a lot of possible combo with apt-get without much success)
[08:50] <el-stupido> anyone in here play Unreal Tournament
[08:52] <EcksEightySix> so, there's no possible way for me to get a ubuntu (breezy) package that'd install libtermcap.so.2 on my system? :(
[08:53] <kkathman> Hmm I just had something odd happen
[08:53] <el-stupido> anyone in here play Unreal Tournament?
[08:54] <kkathman> one of my samba shares to a winbox, is reporting files that were there, but are not anymore, and those that are there, it says arent :)
[08:57] <sikor_sxe> which package do i have to install to have the kde headers installed?
[08:57] <treefrog> Hi anyone know about setting up the Java support in Konqueror. I cant use this site http://myspeed.visualware.com/
[08:58] <NSK> treefrog: just install java ?
[08:59] <treefrog> from Adept? or where?
[08:59] <treefrog> sorry very sill Q I'm sure
[09:00] <NSK> from sun, I suppose
[09:00] <laszlok> EcksEightySix: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libtermcap.so.2&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[09:00] <treefrog> did that on my last install atempt and it did not go se well .
[09:01] <treefrog> once biten twice shy
[09:01] <treefrog> I'll hve another go
[09:01] <_vincent> sibarra bon, toujours rien
[09:07] <yogarine> howdy
[09:08] <yogarine> question: how do I properly set up PPPoE in Kubuntu...?
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> nedd help
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> for
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> configure a printer??
[09:10] <drom1n4d0> i put a printer for usb
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> is the hp deskejet 940c
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> someone help me
[09:11] <drom1n4d0> i need the printer
[09:12] <asraniel> just wanted to say how much i love linux.. its so much better than windows (just wanted to say that)
[09:12] <drom1n4d0> yes but in windows its easy configure a printer
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> in linux is diferent
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> can you tell me
[09:13] <kkathman> well that was weird
[09:13] <drom1n4d0> how configure
[09:13] <kkathman> hmm
[09:13] <yogarine> lol
[09:13] <yogarine> haha
[09:13] <asraniel> drom1n4d0: try to install a usb keyboard on a windows oem computer.. it wants the xp cd, but i have no xp cd! only a recovery cd!
[09:14] <yogarine> dont you hate it when that happens? :P
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> what?
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> my mouse is usb
[09:14] <drom1n4d0> and working in linux
[09:14] <kkathman> asraniel: no way...why would it want an xp cd??? I've installed 100's of keyboards and just plugging them in and rebooting works
[09:15] <yogarine> anyway
[09:15] <kkathman> mine too drom :)
[09:15] <yogarine> I want to set up my PPPoE properly
[09:15] <yogarine> can anyone help me out?
[09:15] <drom1n4d0> omg
[09:16] <drom1n4d0> i need this printer and you talk about xp
[09:16] <asraniel> kkathman: well, mine doesent. but surprisgnly it works under linux! grrr
[09:16] <shiv> hi all
[09:16] <drom1n4d0> what is the comands for working with a printer
[09:16] <kkathman> asraniel: thats just weird :)  must be some kind of odd keyboard then
[09:16] <kkathman> lol
[09:17] <drom1n4d0> apt-get install cupsys
[09:17] <drom1n4d0> i put this
[09:17] <kkathman> yogarine: did you upgrade or install clean?
[09:17] <yogarine> clean
[09:17] <yogarine> I configured it using pppoeconf
[09:17] <kkathman> yogarine: then did you have your system plugged into the network while installing?
[09:17] <yogarine> but the bugger wont connect on boot, and pon dsl-thingy wont work
[09:17] <yogarine> yes
[09:18] <kkathman> cuz I didnt have to do a thing
[09:18] <kkathman> hey hussam :)
[09:18] <yogarine> kkathman: well... dont have a network acutally
[09:18] <shiv> when I start my computer I get this black screen dhcpp3 login: prompt, then I turn it off and restart and I can get my gui back. HOw do I get rid of this black screen with the prompt?
[09:18] <yogarine> kkathman: just a dsl modem
[09:18] <kkathman> yogarine: well I mean attached to the internet
[09:18] <yogarine> yeah
[09:19] <kkathman> !tell yogarine about adsl
[09:19] <kkathman> yogarine: check your PM
[09:20] <yogarine> thanks a million
[09:20] <kkathman> np
[09:20] <hussam> kkathman: Hey :)
[09:21] <kkathman> what's shakin hussam??
[09:22] <yogarine> kkathman: I did that allready, the problem is it wont connect on boot and 'pon dsl-provider' wont work either
[09:22] <hussam> kkathman: nothing, I'm just bothered by today's Kdebase update for breezy
[09:22] <kkathman> yogarine: hmmmm dunno then...must be a service thats not starting
[09:22] <kkathman> hussam: whats going on?
[09:23] <yogarine> bummer :(
[09:23] <yogarine> isnt there some program like the network connection manager in Fedora?
[09:24] <kkathman> yogarine: did you try the system settings, network settings?
[09:24] <hussam> kkathman: media:/ is empty again and the desktop freezes after a CD-rom is automounted.
[09:24] <yogarine> kkathman: yup, but you can set up PPPoE there
[09:25] <kkathman> hussam: odd...I had an anomaly on my system... for some reason one of the winshares in Samba was reporting files that I had deleted, and files that were there, it said were not
[09:26] <kkathman> yogarine: yeah ... I only remember one place to set up that PPPoE and thats during the setup...but Im sure theres a way
[09:26] <hussam> kkathman: so that status of the shared files is not refreshed?
[09:27] <kkathman> hussam: well for some reason, no
[09:27] <kkathman> I populated some files on my winbox, came over to Linux and copied them.. Then I went back to my winbox and removed them
[09:28] <kkathman> then I added a few more on the winbox...came back
[09:28] <kkathman> when I brought the share up, files that I deleted on the winbox, showed up on the share, and files that I just added showed up, but none were available
[09:29] <kkathman> very odd
[09:29] <drom1n4d0> need help
[09:29] <drom1n4d0> configure printer in kubuntu?
[09:29] <kkathman> but because they are shares, hussam, and they are mounted as media devices, wondered if that might be the same issue you are having
[09:30] <danl_B> how do i get libxext-dev to install in kubuntu. It says it requires a different version of libxext which i can't get to install
[09:30] <drom1n4d0> somebody help me please
[09:30] <hussam> kkathman: did that start hapening after today's kdebase updates for breezy?
[09:31] <kkathman> drom1n4d0: go to the Kmenu and under Utilities choose the Printer Manager
[09:31] <kkathman> hussam: perhaps yes....at least its the first time its done it
[09:31] <kkathman> hussam: but my devices are not deleted
[09:32] <kkathman> and they mount fine on boot
[09:32] <drom1n4d0> and more
[09:32] <hussam> kkathman: that could be it then. I'm not sure though.
[09:33] <kkathman> hussam: Im going to go delete them on my winbox and see what happens now
[09:33] <hussam> kkathman:ok
[09:33] <kkathman> hussam: yep its not refreshing
[09:35] <satafterh> is there a quick way to downgrade?
[09:35] <hussam> kkathman: the share mounts as a network drive, right?
[09:41] <kkathman> hussam: yes
[09:41] <kkathman> NFS
[09:41] <kkathman> trouble is that I cant seem to force it to refresh either
[09:41] <kkathman> rebooting works
[09:42] <kkathman> hussam: I even tried to recreate the link on my desktop, and it didnt refresh
[09:45] <getaceres> hi
[09:47] <getaceres> is anyone using kopete from the KDE 3.5 beta 2?
[09:47] <Tm_T> nope
[09:49] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I found my first serious prob
[09:49] <Tm_T> ?
[09:50] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Samba shares arent updating
[09:50] <xxenon> anything special to do to get mp3 support in Xine (Breezy) ?
[09:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:50] <kkathman> Tm_T: had files on my winbox, which i have as a samba share on my linux box. Deleted files on the winbox...they still show up on the samba share
[09:51] <Tm_T> ok
[09:51] <Tm_T> never used samba myself
[09:51] <kkathman> Tm_T:  you know of a way to "refresh" ??
[09:51] <jjesse> what is the difference between the server version that just came across the announce list and if i type server in at the install prompt of a kubuntu install?
[09:51] <kkathman> other than booting
[09:52] <el-stupido> if a file is read only? How do I set it to Write?
[09:54] <AnArKY87> hi
[09:54] <kkathman> el-stupido: you should read up on chmod and chown, and file permissions
[09:54] <AnArKY87> any users use kde 3.5 on kubuntu??
[09:54] <el-stupido> i was wondering if there was a graphical way of doing this
[09:55] <getaceres> AnArKY87: Yes
[09:55] <kkathman> el-stupido: yes there is
[09:56] <el-stupido> kkathman: ?
[09:56] <el-stupido> kkathman: note that i am not owner of file
[09:56] <AnArKY87> getaceres, how to install??
[09:56] <kkathman> el-stupido: use Konqueror, navigate to the file, then right click, properties and set the permissions...but you must have that right
[09:57] <getaceres> look at www.kubuntu.org
[09:57] <MikeStyle> Hey guys, i downloaded KXDocker and installed the .deb package but im not sure where KXDocker is!
[09:57] <getaceres> add the repositories in the announce page and do a dist-upgrade
[09:57] <kkathman> MikeStyle: Konsole...do a whereis
[09:57] <MikeStyle> kkathman
[09:57] <AnArKY87> ok getaceres
[09:57] <MikeStyle> how?
[09:57] <kkathman> MikeStyle: I.e. whereis KXDocker
[09:57] <hussam> kkathman: I gotta go now, tell me later if you get your problem solved.
[09:58] <AnArKY87> getaceres, but kde 3.5 is more unstable??
[09:58] <kkathman> hussam: okie dokie cya later
[09:58] <MikeStyle> kkathman, mike@ubuntu:~ $ wheris kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> bash: wheris: command not found
[09:58] <kkathman> MikeStyle: whereis
[09:58] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ whereis kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> kxdocker
[09:58] <MikeStyle> thats all i got
[09:58] <kkathman> ?
[09:59] <kkathman> MikeStyle: Did you apt-get it?
[09:59] <kkathman> or dkpg
[09:59] <kkathman> oops dpkg
[09:59] <MikeStyle> kkathman, i dpkg it
[10:00] <kkathman> hmm should work...you can try looking for it in /usr/bin
[10:00] <MikeStyle> sudo dpkg -i kxdocker_0.32-1_i386.deb
[10:00] <getaceres> MikeStyle: Just press alt+f2 and write kxdocker
[10:00] <getaceres> you can do it in the console too
[10:00] <asraniel> i wonder if i REALY have to recompile the kernel to make my laptop work... hmmm
[10:00] <kkathman> yah that will do it too
[10:00] <MikeStyle> getaceres, mike@ubuntu:~ $ kxdocker
[10:00] <MikeStyle> bash: kxdocker: command not found
[10:01] <kkathman> hmmm it didnt get installed then
[10:01] <MikeStyle> or maybe kxdocker isnt the command for the program
[10:01] <getaceres> did you get an error while installing?
[10:01] <MikeStyle> no
[10:01] <getaceres> anyway, execute kappfinder and click on search, maybe it may find it
[10:01] <danl_B> how do you successfully install moodin for kde splash screen?
[10:02] <getaceres> danl_B: I compiled it, I haven't found a (k)ubuntu package yet
[10:03] <MikeStyle> kxdocker is not in /usr/bin
[10:03] <getaceres> MikeStyle: have you tried with kappfinder?
[10:04] <danl_B> i can't compile it
[10:04] <MikeStyle> kappfinder just found me a bunch of non-KDE apps
[10:04] <danl_B> i get an error saying missing x includes
[10:05] <MikeStyle> ..
[10:05] <getaceres> MikeStyle: are you using breezy?
[10:05] <MikeStyle> yes
[10:06] <el-stupido> frank23: Finally got it Running!! WoooHooo!!
[10:06] <asraniel> is there somewhere a ultimativ laptop guide?
[10:06] <AnArKY87> getaceres, what is this error??
[10:06] <AnArKY87> W: GPG error: http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:06] <AnArKY87> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:06] <getaceres> then just type "apt-get install kxdocker kxdocker-data" it should install kxdocker 0.35
[10:06] <danl_B> n/m, i think i found a kubuntu package at kde-look
[10:07] <MikeStyle> getaceres: mike@ubuntu:~ $ apt-get install kxdocker kxdocker-data
[10:07] <MikeStyle> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:07] <MikeStyle> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:07] <getaceres> MikeStyle: sorry, type sudo before the command
[10:07] <MikeStyle> k
[10:08] <MikeStyle> kxdocker is already the newest version.
[10:08] <MikeStyle> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[10:08] <MikeStyle>   kxdocker-data
[10:08] <MikeStyle> is this good?
[10:08] <getaceres> MikeStyle: try it
[10:08] <MikeStyle> getaceres, kxdocker-data is now installed
[10:08] <MikeStyle> now what?
[10:09] <getaceres> type kxdocker?
[10:09] <kkathman> MikeStyle: might need to do sudo
[10:09] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ kxdocker
[10:09] <MikeStyle> bash: kxdocker: command not found
[10:09] <getaceres> I'm installing it now to see what happens
[10:09] <el-stupido> If a drive (having windows) is mounted how do I browse it?
[10:09] <kkathman> MikeStyle: put a sudo in front of that command
[10:10] <getaceres> I don't like kxdocker much, but I'll see if I can make it work
[10:10] <el-stupido> ok got it
[10:10] <el-stupido> sorry lol
[10:10] <MikeStyle> mike@ubuntu:~ $ sudo kxdocker
[10:10] <MikeStyle> sudo: kxdocker: command not found
[10:11] <getaceres> AnArKY87: It's a loooong story, but in short, they are not fatal errors and you can install packages normally. It will only warn you that packages installed from these repositories are not signed
[10:12] <AnArKY87> ok I understand
[10:13] <getaceres> it works for me just typing kxdocker
[10:13] <MikeStyle> getaceres...when i install stuff i always have trouble. like my sources.list file was messed when i upgraded...so now like it always gives me errors: kde-headers not installed. then i try to install stuff and i get "to install, this needs this package, but it will not be installed"
[10:13] <getaceres> open synaptic and search kxdocker
[10:14] <MikeStyle> getaceres, they are both installed says synaptic
[10:15] <el-stupido> Ok.. I am trying to overwrite a file with a file from my Windows drive and it says "Unable to change permissions"
[10:15] <getaceres> what version do you see in kxdocker?
[10:15] <MikeStyle> getaceres, but i get a wierd version of installed...like<PHONE_NUMBER>21-1
[10:15] <MikeStyle> and data is version 0.12-1
[10:15] <el-stupido> tho I did use sudo chmod a+w
[10:16] <getaceres> well, select kxdocker and then go to package->force version...
[10:16] <getaceres> and select breezy version
[10:16] <getaceres> it might warn you, simply accept it
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, doing that
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, done
[10:17] <MikeStyle> now what
[10:17] <getaceres> apply changes
[10:17] <MikeStyle> did
[10:17] <getaceres> did it install or did you get errors?
[10:17] <MikeStyle> getaceres, ok it works now, thanks
[10:22] <mars> Hi
[10:22] <kkathman> hey Mars
[10:22] <mars> I have a little problem with window deco crystal GL
[10:22] <mars> I mean it doesent work :)
[10:23] <kkathman> gee I wish apokryphos or Riddell would stop by :)
[10:23] <Riddell> hmm?
[10:23] <kkathman> Hey Riddell :)
[10:24] <kkathman> Got a samba share issue that I think was a direct result of an update today :(
[10:24] <mars> I downloaded deb and installed it but now when i go to win deco and chose this one nothing happens. In hoary it worked but when i turned to brezzy it doesent :/
[10:24] <mars> I have qt
[10:25] <Riddell> mars: it probably wasn't compiled for gcc 4
[10:25] <mars> you mean what schould i do?
[10:25] <Riddell> recompile it
[10:25] <_vincent> Hi, I just installed kubuntu, and my usb key is not automounted when I insert it ???
[10:25] <kkathman> Riddell: Any ideas on the samba share issue I mentioned... shares arent updating ...is there a way to refresh a samba share manually?
[10:26] <mars> Riddell: I installed this style few times and it still doesent work
[10:26] <mars> window deco i mean
[10:27] <getaceres> does anybody know how can I change my password in freenode?
[10:28] <Riddell> kkathman: F5?
[10:28] <satafterh> any one know what Qt is?
[10:28] <Riddell> _vincent: you need the kdebase update from breezy-updates
[10:28] <Riddell> satafterh: a programming library for GUIs
[10:29] <satafterh> what do i need to install to have it
[10:29] <Riddell> satafterh: libqt3-mt
[10:29] <kkathman> ok thats weird, now its ok...wonder if that refresh is timed or something??
[10:29] <_vincent> Riddell I did not hace kdebase at all
[10:30] <satafterh> thanks
[10:30] <Riddell> _vincent: no that's fine, it's the parts of kdebase that are the important bit
[10:32] <bubblenut> hey
[10:32] <bubblenut> How do Install .deb packages?
[10:33] <kkathman> bubblenut: use dpkg -i
[10:33] <kkathman> bubblenut: For instance:   dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:34] <stupendo44> bubblenut: if you have breezy, you can right-click and select Kubuntu Package menu, and Install Package
[10:34] <bubblenut> brilliant, thanks :)
[10:34] <bubblenut> I have breezy but it doesn't seem to give me the option to install
[10:35] <kkathman> well there ya go...now you have 2 ways :)
[10:35] <_vincent> Ridell I think I have what you mentionned
[10:42] <el-stupido> where can I configure NVidia settings?
[10:43] <_asraniel> i can see 2 network interfaces in kde, a wireless one and a normal one, but i cant activate any of them. its a centrino laptop
[10:44] <MikeStyle> hey guys, i got KXDocker working...but when i try to configure it like adding applications it doesnt work...it removes them im just not sure on how to add them
[10:44] <kevman> Can some direct me to a sources.list with universe, and multiverse? I think i screwed mine up...
[10:44] <frank23> !tell kevman about sources
[10:45] <frank23> el-stupido: install nvidia-settings then run nvidia-settings
[10:45] <kevman> ubotu, help
[10:45] <kevman> Oh, I didn't see the msg..
[10:46] <MikeStyle> anyone..
[10:47] <kkathman> kevman: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[10:47] <kkathman> that has an example of the repos
[10:48] <kkathman> hey frank23 wassup today?
[10:49] <el-stupido> thankyou
[10:50] <kevman> I must have been missing a repo. I couldn't get j2re
[10:53] <frank23> kkathman: I'm trying this kompile thing I found at kde-look
[10:57] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help. I installed kubuntu, i used adept for a wile, than a friend of mine sayed me to allow the "full duplex" i did it and the sistem crashed,Now every time i install a program by adept, i install it, than i reboot my sistem and a windows appears: it says me "the manager of the services kde is not in execution". If i disinstall the program (EVERY PROGRAM!) it returns normal. What can i do to fix It?
[10:59] <kkathman> frank23: what thing is that?
[11:00] <kkathman> NeedHelp: If you uninstall what program?
[11:01] <kkathman> NeedHelp: And where and when does this message come up?
[11:03] <NeedHelp> kkathman: if i uninstall the progtam thath i have installed frist of the reboot, every program
[11:03] <NeedHelp> kkathman: it comes up on the desktop, when is restoring
[11:05] <mvv> i just installed 5.10, but i can't find any disks in media:/, also i can't change the directorynames in /media
[11:06] <slow-motion_> n8
[11:06] <spiral> 'bye
[11:12] <NeedHelp> How to overwrite the "sources.list" thath is in my desktop, with an old "sources.list" thath is in /etc/apt ?
[11:16] <nalioth> NeedHelp: use a text editor
[11:19] <NeedHelp> nalioth: it says i haven't the permission
[11:20] <nalioth> NeedHelp: use kdesu to start your text editor
[11:20] <NeedHelp> wath^
[11:20] <NeedHelp> ??
[11:20] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[11:27] <castlerock> hi all
[11:27] <castlerock> is there a setting so that there is not an ugly black/white/gray background when X.org starts up?
[11:28] <Blissex> castlerock: the ''trellis'' background? It is a sacred symbol :-)
[11:29] <PupenoL> Hello.
[11:29] <raphink> hi PupenoL
[11:29] <PupenoL> How much time does it take to install kubuntu (in a modern machine) ?
[11:29] <castlerock> Blissex > well then call be a dissenter ;-)
[11:29] <castlerock> Blissex > i mean ME
[11:29] <PupenoL> half an hour ? more ?
[11:30] <raphink> depends
[11:30] <frank23> is anyone here using klik?
[11:30] <Blissex> castlerock: it cannot be easily changed, but it can easily overriden with say 'xsetroot -solid grey40'
[11:30] <raphink> tried it quite a bit frank23
[11:30] <PupenoL> raphink: 52x cd... ide hd.
[11:30] <frank23> raphink: is it good?
[11:30] <PupenoL> raphink: on what else does it depend ?
[11:30] <raphink> frank23: lots of problems
[11:30] <Blissex> PupenoL: as <raphink> says, it depends, e.g. on much you install. Half an hour can be a good time.
[11:30] <frank23> raphink: like what?
[11:31] <kkathman> hey raphink good to see you again :)
[11:31] <raphink> frank23: like packages not working
[11:31] <PupenoL> Blissex: afaik, you don't select how much you install, am I wrong ?
[11:31] <raphink> but it won't ever screw up your install
[11:31] <raphink> so you can use it
[11:31] <raphink> if you want to see how it looks and report bugs :)
[11:31] <castlerock> Blissex > could you use X -br?
[11:31] <Blissex> castlerock: and you can put the background change in say '~/.xinitrc' so you need never actually see the sacred symbol
[11:33] <bobbyd> hi
[11:33] <Blissex> castlerock: you can use it, same as 'xsetroot -solid black'
[11:33] <raphink> hi bobbyd
[11:33] <castlerock> Blissex > thanks
[11:33] <strike4ce> I put the beta source list in the repository and now I cant open apt get?
[11:34] <strike4ce> shows an error
[11:34] <castlerock> Blissex > so I can add it where in the .xinitrc file?
[11:34] <raphink> what error strike4ce ?
[11:34] <strike4ce> raphink: jus sex
[11:34] <raphink> no thanks
[11:34] <raphink> :p
[11:34] <raphink> not with strangers
[11:35] <bobbyd> super user mode in network settings doesn't work for me in my fresh breezy install. It also didn't work in hoary. When I click the administrator mode button, the Routes tab is greyed out.
[11:35] <bobbyd> Ihave to get the default gateway by hand each time I boot. how should I fix that?
[11:35] <raphink> yep bobbyd
[11:35] <raphink> bobbyd: kdesu kcontrol
[11:35] <raphink> then it should work
[11:35] <Blissex> castlerock: yes, that allows you to change it to _any_ color; you can also use 'xsetbg' for example to change it to any other texture.
[11:36] <Blissex> castlerock: note that if you log in via a DM you should also look at '~/.xsession'.
[11:36] <_skiy> He folks, can I update to breezy from hoary
[11:36] <_skiy> or do I need to download the hoary CD ?
[11:36] <Blissex> castlerock: they get executed so quickly that I never see the trelling background.
[11:36] <raphink> bobbyd: then choose sarge, taht's the closest
[11:36] <Blissex> _skiy: both.
[11:36] <raphink> you can do both _skiy
[11:37] <raphink> well either rather
[11:37] <bobbyd> raphink, huh?
[11:37] <Blissex> _skiy: there is a specific page on the Ubuntu Wiki that describes how to do either.
[11:37] <bobbyd> raphink, it still doesn't work, it's still greyed out on the routes tab
[11:37] <raphink> what did you do bobbyd ?
[11:37] <strike4ce> raphink: LOL sorry typo just noticied
[11:37] <raphink> did you launch `kdesu kcontrol' ?
[11:37] <_skiy> Blissex: i shall check that out
[11:37] <_skiy> thanks
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, kdesu kcontrol does nothing
[11:38] <castlerock> Blissex: Ok, I see these files, but where in them should I add the xsetroot -solid black?
[11:38] <strike4ce> raphink: it says to do apt-setup apt-get update
[11:38] <raphink> bobbyd: did you close kcontrol before doing that?
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, yes
[11:38] <frank23> raphink: where are klik apps installed? is everything installed as a user?
[11:38] <bobbyd> raphink, kcontrol on it's own works, kdesu kcontrol does nothing
[11:39] <raphink> frank23: klik apps can be launched from KDE Menu -> Applications (installted by Klik)
[11:39] <Blissex> castlerock: they are shell scripts. List of commands that are executed one after another. So I would say it should be the first command in the file.
[11:39] <bobbyd> and another thing, where has kcalc gone?
[11:39] <raphink> bobbyd: where did you launch kdesu from?
[11:39] <Blissex> castlerock: note that if the first line begins with a "#" leave it as the first line.
[11:39] <bobbyd> raphink, a console?
[11:40] <raphink> bobbyd: that's what you did?
[11:40] <raphink> froma  console?
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, huh, it's working now
[11:40] <raphink> ok
[11:40] <raphink> be aware that all the settings are for root when you do that bobbyd
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, that was random, it must have been that I ran it previously from a console without kdesu
[11:40] <Blissex> _skiy: there are some links in the second half of http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[11:40] <bobbyd> raphink, yeah, I guessed that, but thanks though
[11:41] <raphink> bobbyd: to set your network
[11:41] <raphink> you might aswell use xnetcardconfig
[11:41] <raphink> which is apart from kde
[11:41] <Blissex> _skiy: if you can, download/get the full CD, which you can keep around if you need to reinstall, and then upgrade from it. The also upgrade online for packages updated after the CD was imaged.
[11:41] <asraniel> hei, im quite happy with my laptop, everything seems to work (ok, perhaps no apci...) execot wireless. in the kde network settings i can see the wireless card, but i cant activate it.. any ideas?
[11:42] <strike4ce> raphink: how do i save the repository after i made changes in terminal directly?
[11:42] <Blissex> in any case a full upgrade upgrades almost all packages, so one ends up downloading almost the full CD.
[11:42] <_skiy> asraniel: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[11:42] <asraniel> hmm.. i have a centrino laptop, very new, i'll check it
[11:42] <frank23> raphink: at the very least, klick seems a nice way to try new apps
[11:42] <raphink> sure frank23 when it works
[11:42] <raphink> strike4ce: what did you edit with?
[11:43] <os2mac> ahhh nothing like wireless internet, a good cigar and a kegerator....
[11:43] <strike4ce> straight thru terminal using apt-setup and edit repository
[11:43] <raphink> never used apt-setup
[11:43] <frahi> which tools are responsable for spinning down the harddisc? this morning it spins down after 1 sec of inactivity, but now it just runs continously
[11:43] <os2mac> anyone about?
[11:44] <asraniel> skiy; should be that : Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG (802.11 a/b/g tri-mode)
[11:44] <raphink> strike4ce: I guess apt-setup changes your sources
[11:44] <raphink> and then you only need to apt-get update
[11:44] <raphink> no?
[11:44] <Blissex> frahi: dozens and dozen unfortunately. Look if you got 'acpid' running
[11:45] <bobbyd> raphink, it just forgets the default gateway I added when i look again, and there's no entry when I use route fro mthe command line. Is this a known bug?
[11:45] <_skiy> asraniel: Is your laptop on this page: http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/?page=laptop_matrix
[11:46] <raphink> bobbyd: I had to setup my connection manually lately
[11:46] <raphink> ;)
[11:46] <_skiy> asraniel: if not, ndiswrapper (ew..) is your best bet
[11:46] <raphink> so I had pbs with network too
[11:46] <raphink> I just set /etc/network/interfaces manually
[11:46] <frahi> Blissex: yes it is running, but this is reasponsable for mapping acpi events to scripts but not for controlling hd, is it?
[11:46] <StR> Hi all!
[11:46] <kkathman> _skiy: try this site for upgrading btw:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[11:47] <asraniel> _skiy: not realy, i have a travelmate 8103, but on this page its only up to 6000. but i found a tutorial that tells me i have to recompile the kernel, with ipw2000 activated for wireless
[11:48] <strike4ce> I keep getting this error in terminal:  E: Type '*' is not known on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:48] <Blissex> frahi: uh, controlling hd perhaps relates to power settings :-).
[11:49] <Blissex> frahi: the HD either goes to sleep automatically (look at option '-S' in 'man hdparm') or it can be explicitly set to sleep/standby (other option in 'man hdparm).
[11:49] <_skiy> asraniel: Is the spec of your 8103 much different to the 6000 ?
[11:50] <_skiy> If not, then probably the centrino is the same?
[11:50] <Blissex> frahi: who sets the automatic sleep period and/or sets the disk to sleep explicitly using 'hdparm'? Well, the boot scripts, and odds are that 'acpid' has a part in it.
[11:50] <jaypeee> anyone compile xine-lib 1.1.0 ?
[11:50] <_skiy> Folks, I have replaced all occurences of "hoary" to "breezy" in my sources.list
[11:50] <_skiy> I assume this is sufficient for updating to breezy. please correct me if I am wrong.
[11:50] <asraniel> _skiy: i have never seen the spec for the 6000, but ive heard that it should be similar. both are centrinos  i think (at least mine is)
[11:50] <Blissex> _skiy: I'd rather suggest the upgrade from CD as I said...
[11:51] <_skiy> Blissex: OK, I will BT it over night
[11:51] <jaypeee> i was wondering if could just do default ./configure or do i have to ./configure --prefix=/usr for xine-lib 1.1.0
[11:51] <Blissex> _skiy: because a full upgrade is a few hundred MB regardless, and it is going to be much slower than BT'ing the image.
[11:53] <troth> this is kind of a windows question but not really, pls help........k my primary drive is my windows drive(hda1,C:\) 10G, i have breezy on the slave 250G, i just ordered another 250G last night and i want to do a complete copy of the primary drive, to keep it exactly how it is. is there a program to do it?
[11:53] <Blissex> _skiy: and while you are upgrading it is not good to use the system, but while you are BT'ing it is safer.
[11:53] <_skiy> kk, thanks Blissex and asraniel good luck with your centrino
[11:53] <_skiy> Blissex: Good thinking
[11:53] <_skiy> G'nite all
[11:53] <Blissex> troth: several, including 'cp'/'dd'.
[11:54] <Blissex> troth: what you can do is actually a very evil thing, if you are a bit geeky.
[11:54] <troth> Blissex, that will copy EVERYTHING, hidden files etc., i want to copy and just pop the new one in
[11:54] <Blissex> troth: yes, it just copies the disk.
[11:54] <troth> ok, good
[11:55] <troth> whats so evil about it?
[11:55] <Blissex> troth: note that copy and pop the new one is not going to have everything working, including MS Windows. You will have to take some special precautions before and after.
[11:55] <Blissex> troth: well, what would be evil is a technique to raise the chances that MS Windows will continue to ''just work''.
[11:56] <Blissex> troth: BTW, you might want to download UltimateBootCD.com, which has a lot of partition/copy utilities.
[11:57] <troth> ok
[11:57] <strike4ce> how do I edit the sourcelist?
[11:57] <Blissex> strike4ce: carefully.
[11:57] <raphink> lol
[11:58] <strike4ce> Blissex: what is the command?
[11:58] <Blissex> strike4ce: any text editor will do, like 'kate', which is in the menu.
[11:58] <strike4ce> Blissex: How do i get to it
[11:59] <troth> Blissex: im not understanding your underlying explaination, do i want to raise the chances it works, of course, but you are being very vague about 'evil' :)
[11:59] <raphink> strike4ce: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources/list
[11:59] <raphink> strike4ce: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <strike4ce> raphink: after that how do I save?
[12:01] <raphink> ^x to quit
[12:01] <raphink> then `y' to save
[12:01] <raphink> when it asks you
[12:01] <raphink> on the bottom of the console
[12:01] <Blissex> troth: the problem is also that you are clear as to what you want to achieve.
[12:02] <Blissex> troth: after you have done what you want to do, how will your system look like and behave?
[12:02] <raphink> like windows
[12:02] <raphink> lol
[12:02] <troth> exactly as it is now, so i dont have to re download programs, drivers, music, my whole primary drive
[12:02] <strike4ce> raphink: I type that in terminal window?
[12:02] <raphink> sure strike4ce
[12:03] <Blissex> troth: you really need to learn to be more explicit...
[12:03] <raphink> strike4ce: if you prefer to run a gui
[12:03] <raphink> you can type