[00:12] <netritious> Hm...looks like mint with cinnamon isn't going to cut the mustard on this 10 year old laptop.
[00:14] <netritious> going to try LMDE now just to see if my probs will be magically resolved. (not likely)
[00:44] <Unit193> wrst: Hah, you read the commit message?
[00:44] <Unit193> (I'll make it to that link, even though it is omgubuntu.)
[00:47] <Unit193> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfca406eb694e0ac00ea04b12fc912237e01c9b5  is great.
[01:01] <wrst> ahh the tech junkies part :)
[01:01] <wrst> netritious: put in my nexus 5 order today
[02:14] <netritious> wrst: I thought you had one already?
[02:18] <wrst> netritious: I have a galaxy nexus
[02:18] <wrst> it is getting a little old
[02:19] <netritious> trade you a 2004 Toshiba tecra with minty on it :P
[02:19] <wrst> ha ha
[02:19] <wrst> nah
[02:20] <wrst> that galaxy nexus really isn't bad but getting no more updates from Google and has major issues to get kit Kat running on it
[02:21] <netritious> but you're missing out on a one of a kind adventure with the tecra :P
[02:23] <wrst> I think i will pass I use a phone in place of a laptop many times
[02:24] <wrst> actually my sIII had decent enough laptop specs
[02:25] <netritious> just in case it wasn't obvious, I'm totally kidding. its actually not a terrible laptop but definitely not a great one either
[02:26] <netritious> just something sitting off to the side I'm about to pass forward if it will work OK
[02:27] <wrst> I understand that I have a hard time throwing things away
[02:28] <netritious> I used it for serial console but I just don't need it anymore
[02:30] <netritious> if I can get YouTube and miniclips working then daughter will be happy. Otherwise giving to someone down the street with 12 year old computer heh.
[02:30] <wrst> ha ha
[02:32] <wrst> netritious: might want to look at a used Nexus 7 for your daughter cab pick the 2012 versions up cheap
[02:33] <netritious> she got a quad core a31 for bday in august
[02:34] <netritious> next is wife on android
[02:34] <netritious> says she strongly dislikes iPhone
[02:36] <Unit193> That's a plus.
[02:37] <netritious> Unit193: she's had android tab going on 2 years and iPhone for 1...
[02:37] <netritious> guess which one is used the most heh
[02:43]  * Unit193 doesn't have any smart devices. \o/
[02:53] <wrst> netritious: the wife loves the iStuff
[02:55] <wrst> I'm trying to save my daughter from them
[03:06] <netritious> lol
[03:15] <wrst> I can put her through college for the price difference
[03:24] <netritious> hah truth
[03:37] <wrst> I mean really the nexus 5 32gb is 400 bucks the iPhone 5s is 800 I think
[04:14] <netritious> hey chris4585
[04:17] <netritious> wrst: yeah I can go on and on about why android>iWhatever
[04:17] <netritious> but I'll spare you :)
[04:37] <chris4585> hey netritious


[00:31] <techmedia13> hi
[00:33] <techmedia13> frnds, anyone can tell if Ubuntu for Android works with Nexus 5?
[04:46] <licensed> i can not boot ubuntu touch on razr xt910 =(( i flash saucy and then phablet. bot not working
[05:04] <zhbn> hello
[05:05] <zhbn> someone can tell me  how to create a program with qt creator
[05:56] <Guest22610> http://pastebin.com/WCvGGn5s
[06:14] <Beldar> M4dH4TT3r, If you want help state the issue to the channel many will not just click on a link.
[06:19] <alfonsojon> Hi
[06:19] <alfonsojon> I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4, but now I'm stuck at the Google screen
[06:22] <Beldar> alfonsojon, Hmm, isn't that the android start?
[06:22] <alfonsojon> Normally for Android, it goes Google -> Flying colored dots -> Android
[06:22] <alfonsojon> Or for CM it's Google -> CM logo -> Cyanogenmod
[06:23] <Beldar> alfonsojon, Not the touch I believe.
[06:23] <alfonsojon> So I assume Ubuntu would be Google -> Ubuntu Logo -> Ubuntu Touch?
[06:24] <Beldar> alfonsojon, You following a install wiki?
[06:24] <alfonsojon> Yes
[06:25] <alfonsojon> I used the manual instructions because I'm used to toying around with CyanogenMod and they were familiar to me.
[06:25] <alfonsojon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[06:25] <Beldar> I would not try and fix a broken install, I would just try again.
[06:25] <alfonsojon> I found my problem
[06:25] <alfonsojon> I forgot to flash the second zip
[06:25] <alfonsojon> My bad
[06:25] <Beldar> heh, cool
[06:26] <Beldar> it happens
[06:26] <alfonsojon> I prefer sideload anyways
[06:26] <alfonsojon> it tells me to push it, but sideload > all
[06:26] <alfonsojon> also, if you already have CWM, installing the Ubuntu CWM is not needed
[06:26] <alfonsojon> but meh
[06:27] <Beldar> I have a nexus 7 I have used about every possible load
[06:27] <Beldar> from windows and linux
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Beldar: you happy with ubuntu touch's smoothness on nexus7 ?
[06:29] <alfonsojon> there we go
[06:29] <alfonsojon> "Welcome to the Ubuntu RootFS Updater"
[06:29] <alfonsojon> Blah blah blah tarball
[06:29] <alfonsojon> Deploying.
[06:30] <Beldar> lotuspsychje, I have not tried it for months, I'm waiting for the desktop version and touch to be better
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:31] <alfonsojon> Unity on desktop needs some love.
[06:31] <Beldar> the nexus has 2 gigs ram at the most I believe, a bit underpowered really, run the latest android great though.
[06:31] <Beldar> runs*
[06:32] <alfonsojon> basically all Chromebooks have 2GB of RAM
[06:32] <alfonsojon> they run fine
[06:32] <alfonsojon> my parents PC also has that much
[06:32] <alfonsojon> but honestly, android flies on this puppy
[06:32] <alfonsojon> I just felt like toying around with Ubuntu Touch now that I bought one
[06:32] <alfonsojon> alright black screen
[06:32] <alfonsojon> = loading (right?)
[06:34] <alfonsojon> It's loaded up, awesome.
[06:34] <alfonsojon> It feels a bit out of place not having any navigation buttons
[06:34] <alfonsojon> Why does the keyboard keep hiding itself?
[07:51] <M4dH4TT3r> beldar "many" are not the smartest than because it it obviously a pastebin link
[07:54] <Beldar> M4dH4TT3r, Irc protocol is a description of the issue at the least with the link.
[07:55] <M4dH4TT3r> irc protocol? where do you get this shit?
[07:56] <Beldar> take your meds dude
[07:57] <M4dH4TT3r> quit making shit up dude
[10:45] <MrGate> is the source code for ubuntu touch in the wild ?
[10:50] <ogra_> MrGate, it is in the ubuntu archive and as bzr trees on launchpad
[10:52] <ogra_> (oh, and there are some android bits at http://phablet.ubuntu.com that i always forget)
[12:12] <taiebot> Hi i am still trying to fix my 3g issue. I think i have found the problem the mobile-provider-info is not showing any sign of my carrier so i have put my own config and i am trying to get on the phone but it still not working :-(
[13:00] <taiebot> anyone having a how to in order to troubleshoot mobile connection on UT? what should i look for ?
[13:43] <shiggitay> hey all.... someone by the name of ValoXis is close to getting an alpha of UT for the Nexus 5, but he's having complications with stuff...
[13:43] <shiggitay> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594874 <== the thread
[14:20] <shiggitay> Also is anyone porting UT for the LG GPad 8.3? :)
[15:59] <Vars> hello!
[16:00] <robbyf_> no ota updates since Dec 23rd?
[16:00] <RobbyF> r79
[16:01] <Vars> I want to install ubuntu touch on a lg nexus 5, but i haven't see any information around
[16:02] <Vars> any one?
[16:02] <RobbyF> it's not officially supported by canonical
[16:02] <RobbyF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:04] <Vars> so Nexus 5 not supported and S3 is WIP
[16:04] <Vars> ok. did any one know about ubuntu phones? like the ubuntu edge
[16:04] <RobbyF> They are all community driven so it's up to us
[16:04] <RobbyF> edge never came to be
[16:05] <Vars> yeah it only made 12 million
[16:05] <Vars> the goal were 30, unfortunatelly
[16:06] <Vars> ok so then I got to wait
[16:06] <Vars> Thanks
[16:06] <RobbyF> your welcome.
[16:13] <taiebot> anyone having a how to in order to troubleshoot mobile connection on UT? what should i look for ? I am using a nexus 4 and my mobile provider is vectone http://www.vectonemobile.co.uk/
[16:14] <daker> RobbyF: ?
[16:15] <daker> RobbyF: which channel ?
[16:16] <FuLgOrE> hi. did you see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594874 regarding Nexus 5 Port already?
[16:45] <popey> RobbyF: expect updates this coming week
[16:45] <popey> RobbyF: much of the company was on vacation for the last two weeks
[18:04] <EgyParadox> Hello, how can I remove the dual boot app?, my device is boot looping and I cannot boot into recovery
[18:07] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: only bootloader ?
[18:09] <EgyParadox> The boot animation runs continuously, after the Google logo shows
[18:10] <EgyParadox> is shown*
[18:17] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: but you can not adb in at this point to start the recovery ?
[18:17] <m_strNick> Or can you get to bootloader then go to recovery
[18:17] <EgyParadox> When I start the recovery Ubuntu Touch starts
[18:18] <EgyParadox> I tried reflashing the recovery it didn't work
[18:18] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: that was next question
[18:18] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: just Ubuntu's or did you try twrp or clockworkmod ?
[18:19] <EgyParadox> clockworkmod
[18:19] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: what kinda device is this ?
[18:19] <zer01> hello, how stable is the use of vpn on ubuntu phone ? anyone tried out yet ? and btw when (estimated) are the first phone sales going to start ?
[18:19] <EgyParadox> I tried flashing it
[18:19] <EgyParadox> maguro
[18:19] <m_strNick> ok
[18:21] <EgyParadox> The device suddenly started to bootloop I do not know why without even rebooting
[18:21] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: I hate to say it but if twrp or what ever is not working sounds like fastboot time
[18:21] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: did you make the device writable and upgrade it ?
[18:21] <m_strNick> Ubuntu part that is ^^
[18:21] <EgyParadox> writable how?
[18:22] <EgyParadox> I didn't upgrade anything
[18:22] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: huh that is odd
[18:22] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: no remounting or anything also ?
[18:23] <EgyParadox> no
[18:23] <EgyParadox> but that was long time ago
[18:23] <m_strNick> huh
[18:24] <m_strNick> EgyParadox:  you can not get to bootloader then flash clockwork or twrp  and reboot the thing to see if new recovery is there. Or install a new bootloader from fastboot ?
[18:24] <EgyParadox> I tried to flash clockwork using adb
[18:24] <m_strNick> Like run the Daulboot installer script again
[18:25] <m_strNick> I am not sure if that will install a new bootloader  again or if it looks to see if it is there and reinstalls ect.
[18:25] <m_strNick> daul boot script that is
[18:26] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: you have to flash recovery with fastboot and not adb
[18:27] <EgyParadox> I used both
[18:27] <m_strNick> fastboot flash recovery <Your recovery image>               from bootloader
[18:28] <EgyParadox> I can use adb shell, if I know how to remove the dual boot app using the shell that would be great.
[18:30] <m_strNick> EgyParadox: I do not I am sure that you are going to need a new bootloader also
[18:31] <m_strNick> but one can unistall with adb   http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12949609/android-uninstall-through-adb-shell-command   but really sounds like you need a new bootloader and reovery and maybe image also
[19:02] <cwayne> thomi, ping
[19:02] <thomi> hello cwayne
[19:02] <cwayne> thomi, hiya, so i've run into a bit of an issue with the way autopilot is launching apps on touch
[19:03] <cwayne> namely, gallery-app isn't launched with upstart, so it doesn't have the right environment variables setup
[19:03] <thomi> what's that?
[19:04] <thomi> cwayne: AP supports upstart, so probably the gallery app tests just need to call 'launch_click_package' instead of 'launch_test_application'
[19:04] <cwayne> thomi, right, i tried that, but gallery-app isn't a click
[19:04] <cwayne> so it doesn't show up in click list
[19:04] <thomi> ahhh
[19:04] <cwayne> so i've got some ideas for how to fix, but i don't have all the pieces yet
[19:05] <cwayne> thomi, my thinking is to get the PID, instead of doing initctl status application-click, we can just run upstart-app-pid
[19:05] <thomi> right.
[19:05] <thomi> cwayne: so it should be pretty easy to hack upstart app support into AP itself, and that's been on the cards for a while now anyway.
[19:05] <thomi> however
[19:05] <cwayne> and perhaps we can pass app_id to launch_click_package
[19:05] <thomi> if you want for that, you'll need to wait for an AP release, which can be a tortorous affair
[19:06] <thomi> cwayne: I can try and get it done this week, if you can send me an email detailing how it ought to be launched. Fingers crossed that means that you should see it in distro by late next week (i'm guessing)
[19:07] <cwayne> hmm, i'd forgotten how difficult it is to get AP released
[19:08] <thomi> yeah, but it'll need to happen sooner or later. The only question that remains is whether or not you want to hack something into the test suite in the mean time.
[19:08] <cwayne> thomi, i fear it might be a necessary evil though, as this would be the proper fix
[19:08] <thomi> exactly
[19:08] <cwayne> thomi, yeah, i'd rather do 'the right thing' though rather than a hack
[19:08] <cwayne> i think we've been relying a bit too much on hacks, and blaming too many things on 'flaky AP tests' :)
[19:09] <thomi> cwayne: I couldn't agree more. I didn't mean 'instead of', I meant 'as well as, and them remove it when the real thing lands'
[19:09] <cwayne> right, of course
[19:09] <thomi> depends on how bad the problems are in the GA tests I suppose
[19:10] <cwayne> well, it's only in the touch_custom suite
[19:10] <thomi> ahh, I see
[19:10] <cwayne> but the real problem is that the way we're testing GA now is not really the way it's actually run by a user
[19:10] <thomi> right
[19:10] <cwayne> that is, when a user launches GA, it uses upstart, but the test doesnt
[19:11] <cwayne> which, frankly, is not good IMHO
[19:11] <thomi> so, can you send me the details of the comand to launch GA properly, how to shut it down, and where to find the logs?
[19:11] <thomi> I'll try and get to that this afternoon, after I've waded through ths sea of email
[19:11] <cwayne> thomi, sure thing
[19:11] <cwayne> it's actually exactly the same as any  click, it's just a different APP_ID
[19:12] <thomi> thanks, I'll keep you posted with my progress.
[19:12] <cwayne> thomi, sure thing, i'll include some of the stuff i've been trying out as well, perhaps it could be of some help :)
[19:12] <thomi> cool
[19:58] <shiggitay> FuLgOrE, yeah I posted a link to that thread earlier calling for help
[19:58] <shiggitay> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594874 <== the thread
[19:58] <shiggitay> NNNEEETTTSSSPPPPLLLIIITTTTT
[19:59] <shiggitay> FuLgOrE, ?
[20:00] <shiggitay> I also tried to stir up interest in the HP TouchPad (tenderloin) UT port that was started last fall
[20:01] <shiggitay> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49151168&postcount=370 <[20:01] <Tm_T> shiggitay: please no need to make noise over netsplit (:
[20:02] <shiggitay> Tm_T,  :P
[20:02] <shiggitay> aanndn they all come flowin' back in
[20:02] <shiggitay> lol
[20:02]  * shiggitay goes to search for food
[20:02] <shiggitay> f0000000d~


[04:19] <mup> Bug #1281758 changed: re-installing maas-region-controller fails <docteam> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1281758>
[04:19] <mup> Bug # changed: 1281758, 1558752, 1566115, 1587163, 1594325, 1596428, 1597345, 1598358, 1604339
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1281758 opened: re-installing maas-region-controller fails <docteam> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1281758>
[04:28] <mup> Bug # opened: 1281758, 1558752, 1566115, 1587163, 1594325, 1596428, 1597345, 1598358, 1604339
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1281758 changed: re-installing maas-region-controller fails <docteam> <MAAS:Expired> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1281758>
[04:34] <mup> Bug # changed: 1281758, 1558752, 1566115, 1587163, 1594325, 1596428, 1597345, 1598358, 1604339
[06:15] <junaidali> Hi, i'm facing an issue where enlisting of new nodes and commissioning of enlisted nodes fails with the error: http://imgur.com/a/kDitJ
[06:15] <junaidali> any idea how can i solve this?
[12:10] <PCdude> mmcc: I have a question about conjure-up, you were also involved with that project right?
[12:10] <PCdude> I know this is the MAAS channel, but I only saw you idle in here
[14:34] <jwitko> junaidali, you have connection errors
[14:34] <junaidali> jwitko, yup i was facing the issue
[14:35] <junaidali> couldn't figure out what was the cause, so i purge maas and reinstalled which worked for me :)
[14:35] <junaidali> purged*
[14:36] <junaidali> jwitko, i was able to access maas ip
[14:37] <junaidali> while facing this issue
[14:37] <junaidali> was there any better solution for that?
[14:54] <jwitko> I don't know what went wrong so I don't know


[00:10] <Avenged-Revenge> i installed mythbuntu on my machine but it asks me to do a database configuration
[00:10] <Avenged-Revenge> not sure how to do it
[00:10] <Avenged-Revenge> can anyone help?
[00:14] <darthanubis> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database
[00:14] <darthanubis> Avenged-Revenge, really you should not have to do anything
[00:15] <darthanubis> just use the mythbuntu command center
[00:15] <darthanubis> it makes it too easy
[00:25] <avihayb> tgm4883_laptop: Hi, I think I figured out why the mythubunto didn't work
[00:26] <avihayb> it gan from the cd burner, and in the new 8.04 kernel undoes what the previous kernel did with emulating scasi on ide, somth like that
[00:26] <avihayb> gan->
[00:27] <avihayb> adding the kernel boot option all_generic_ide should solve it. untested.
[00:33] <geraldnunn> tgm4883_laptop: Don't know if you remember, but you were helping me with upgrading lirc last weekend and we ran into some issues. I'm pleased to say I finally got it working now, thanks again for the help.
[03:06] <dan__> hey i've got an interesting (at least in my mind) question about installing a mythbuntu diskless server on an *old Debian box*
[03:07] <dan__> i've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless but am a little curious because the LTSP plugins on the Debian box don't include any of the mythbuntu stuff
[03:07] <dan__> does anyone have any ideas?
[03:08] <dan__> my guess as to why it's different is because i installed ltsp-server from the Debian package, not the mythbuntu
[04:09] <Lud7773> trying to program my remote to do "Previous channel" does anyone know which context and action I have to reference in "edit keys" that will do this action for me?
[05:44] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991_laptop, it works!
[05:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh
[05:47] <jbroome> Just got mine setup and working too, this is so badass
[05:52] <waxhead_> what's working?
[05:53] <waxhead_> I'm gutted.. the tuner card I got isn't supported...
[05:53] <waxhead_> hardware revision..
[05:53] <waxhead_> sigh
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> my wax sculpture machine.  I'm going to start a museum
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> believe it or not
[05:53] <waxhead_> got a suprise though, the logitech dinovo mini keyboard works...
[05:54] <waxhead_> what's the trick with getting visible fonts on a CRT?
[05:54] <waxhead_> I'm in the window manager, and if it wasn't for the monitor, I wouldn't be able to see the fonts on the menu
[05:55] <waxhead_> I'm running<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:56] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, dont make me get superm1
[05:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> haha
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, don't make me stab you
[06:00] <Kevin`> does mythbuntu support installing to lvm?
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> no, if you try it will take your left nut
[06:01] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:01] <Kevin`> lol
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> why would you want to though?
[06:02] <Kevin`> so I can expand partititions if they get filled up, use striping for data, etc
[06:02] <Kevin`> all the lvm goodness
[06:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> storage groups
[06:06] <Kevin`> so? or do I just try it in a few days and see what happens =p
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> Kevin`, you could try the alternate disk
[06:07] <Kevin`> that uses the normal debian/ubuntu installer?
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not sure what you mean?
[06:07] <Kevin`> nevermind then
[06:07] <Kevin`> i'll just try it
[07:11] <waxhead_> how do I get the screen size to better fit?
[07:12] <waxhead_> I can't modify some settings because I can't see all the screen
[07:37] <waxhead_> can mythtv play ISO's of DVD's?
[07:42] <hads> Yes
[07:48] <waxhead_> it's a permissions thing I think...
[07:48] <waxhead_> just have to wait for the files to copy then i'll check
[07:56] <Kevin`> waxhead_: connect via vnc to modify the settings
[08:30] <waxhead_> Kevin`: thanks.. been trying to, but for some reason I can't connect to it...
[08:30] <waxhead_> using ubuntu on a laptop to get to it
[08:31] <waxhead_> where/what do I do with ISO's of DVD's?
[08:36] <waxhead_> right.. well vnc works... sigh
[08:38] <waxhead_> hmm... random lockups now...
[08:38] <waxhead_> it's just getting better... :-/
[09:25] <waxhead_> Hm... video play back is choppy and spdif out isn't working...
[09:28] <jduggan> two unrelated problems no doubt, choppy video is 9 times out of 10 video driver related
[09:28] <waxhead_> jduggan: likely... it's an ATI card...
[09:29] <waxhead_> I have the restricted driver installed
[09:29] <waxhead_> what's the simplest problem to fix?  do that first.. :)
[09:29] <jduggan> i hear mixed results about ATI - ive heard recent people saying its not so bad, but since forever its always been said if you want good video in linux steer clear
[09:29] <jduggan> unfortunately i have no experience with ATI
[09:30] <jduggan> however, try the bleeding edge drivers
[09:30] <waxhead_> yeah, nvidia seem to be the one to go with...
[09:30] <jduggan> i heard a developer say theyre not so bad
[09:30] <waxhead_> jduggan: I think it's down to the support given by the manufacters..
[09:30] <waxhead_> nvidia are a little better at it...
[09:31] <waxhead_> where do I look to setup spdif out?
[09:33] <jduggan> have you checked the mythtv wiki?
[09:33] <jduggan> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound_with_AC3_and_SPDIF
[09:33] <waxhead_> OK.. thanks.
[09:41] <waxhead_> jduggan: got sound coming out now...
[10:25] <waxhead_> right..
[10:26] <waxhead_> what's the best nvidia card for HD output?
[10:26] <waxhead_> I'm over this ATI card already...
[10:27] <hads> Any relatively new card should be fine.
[13:17] <jduggan> anything 5200 FX or newer with dvi output :)
[13:17] <jduggan> so you can convert into HDMI :)
[14:12] <jbroome> .0
[15:39] <raslac> hi folks - just wanted to follow up with my spdif passthrough on intel-hda (ALC883)  problems.. I finally found the clue in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/225991 I had to set my audio output device as "ALSA:iec958:CARD=0,AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2". That makes everything work like a charm.
[19:26] <vbman11> Hi all! I can't get mythtv backend to see my storage dir's
[19:26] <vbman11> here is the paste bin of the backend log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18845/
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> vbman11, your permissions are not correct
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> 2008-06-09 12:07:57.060 TFW, Error: Opening file '/home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/live/1002_20080609120756.nuv'.
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> 			eno: Permission denied (13)
[19:29] <vbman11> I know, how do I change that
[19:29] <vbman11> chmod?
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> chmod 775
[19:30] <tgm4883_laptop> and chown mythtv:mythtv
[19:30] <vbman11> I'll try that thanks
[19:31] <jphillip> tgm4883_laptop should be 2775, sticky bit
[19:31] <jphillip> though it really doesn't matter much
[19:31] <vbman11> chmod 2775?
[19:31] <jphillip> yep
[19:31] <vbman11> or 775?
[19:31] <jphillip> either will work
[19:31] <vbman11> ohh
[19:31] <vbman11> ok
[19:32] <vbman11> I got an error with chown "chown: missing operand after `mythtv:mythtv'
[19:32] <vbman11> Try `chown --help' for more information."
[19:33] <vbman11> ohh never mind!
[19:35] <vbman11> I tried watching tv again but i still get the same error
[19:35] <tgm4883_laptop> i've never used the sticky bit, further, upon googling for information on it it appears that it was A) "No version of Linux has ever supported the traditional behavior." and B) obsoleted
[19:36] <vbman11> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18849/
[19:37] <tgm4883_laptop> vbman11, what commands did you do?
[19:37] <tgm4883_laptop> post them here
[19:37] <tgm4883_laptop> also post the output of 'ls -l /home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/'
[19:37] <vbman11> chmod 775 /home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/live/
[19:37] <vbman11>  sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/live
[19:37] <vbman11> both of them
[19:38] <tgm4883_laptop> post the output of 'ls -l /home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/'
[19:38] <vbman11> paste bin?
[19:38] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, unless it's just 1 or 2 lines
[19:39] <vbman11> 4 lines
[19:39] <vbman11> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18850/
[19:40] <vbman11> and i just checked, I am part of the mythtv group
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> you know what
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> I bet this is your problem
[19:40] <vbman11> what
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> 2008-06-09 12:34:15.091 SG(LiveTV) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/home/kevin/Videos/mythtv/live' does not exist!
[19:41] <tgm4883_laptop> you might be part of the mythtv group
[19:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but mythtv isn't part of your group
[19:41] <vbman11> ??
[19:41] <tgm4883_laptop> I *think* that the mythtv user can't see inside of /home/kevin/
[19:42] <tgm4883_laptop> do
[19:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ls /home/
[19:42] <tgm4883_laptop> and how are your partitions setup ?
[19:43] <vbman11> kevin  mythtv  super
[19:43] <vbman11> super is an old user that I removed
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> how are your partitions setup?
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> and how many hard drives do you have?
[19:44] <vbman11> 1 hard drive
[19:44] <vbman11> Windows ntfs
[19:44] <vbman11> ubuntu ext3
[19:44] <vbman11> linux-swap
[19:44] <vbman11> hp recovery
[19:44] <vbman11> thats all
[19:44] <tgm4883_laptop> do
[19:44] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo fdisk -l
[19:45] <vbman11> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18856/
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> ok so you have one large partition
[19:46] <vbman11> yes
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd move the recordings directory somewhere else besides your home dir
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> somewhere like /mythtv/recordings
[19:46] <vbman11> ok... where
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> then set the right permissions on those, then fix your recording directory location in mythtv-setup, then try again
[19:47] <vbman11> ok just a sec
[19:51] <vbman11> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[19:51] <vbman11> YOU ARE AWESOME!!
[19:51] <vbman11> !!
[19:52] <vbman11> is there a webpage for the key commands?
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i know ;)
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> for the key commands in the frontend?
[19:52] <vbman11> yep
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't think so.  You could install mythcontrols and set the key mapping yourself
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> actually there probably is one on the mythtv wiki on mythtv.org
[19:53] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm doing homework right now so I can't look it up myself
[19:53] <vbman11> ok thanks a lot
[19:53] <laga> there's keys.txt
[19:53] <vbman11> ok here it is: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[19:57] <jphillip> there is a section on mythweb for them as well


[12:42] <smoser> jclift, you culd just read /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data
[12:43] <smoser> it wont have any meta-data tags, but will have the user-data.
[12:43] <smoser> and user-data.i is mime-multipart "pre-processed" (as in has consumed #include for you if you were interested in that).
[13:25] <jclift> smoser: Thanks.  Looked into that yesterday, but the way Rackspace does stuff, metadata doesn't get into userdata.
[13:25] <jclift> Figured out a way of doing it though.
[13:26] <jclift> smoser: Does this seem terrible? https://forge.gluster.org/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/blobs/script_refactoring/snippets/metadata_retriever.py
[13:27] <jclift> Saved that to git for a bit after figuring it out yesterday.  Investigating potentially alternative approaches instead atm.
[13:28] <smoser> jclift, you're right. metadata isn't going ot get into user-data.
[13:28] <smoser> a feature that i've wanted to add in the past is 'cloud-init query'
[13:29] <smoser> either a cmdline tool, or a explicit promise of how you can load data from the cloud in a datasource agnostic way.
[13:29] <smoser> ie, i think the answer might just be to dump json into /run some where.
[13:30] <smoser> but we dont have that now. so what you have isn't horrendus.
[13:30] <jclift> Yeah.  Could be useful.
[13:30] <jclift> Thanks. :)
[13:30] <smoser> and i doubt i would have even bothered sucggesting reading the 'system_info'['paths']
[13:30] <smoser> rather than just loading /var/lib/cloud/instance/obj.pkl
[13:30] <jclift> Heh, was more of a "just in case", since I have 0 idea how things are structured on non CentOS.
[13:31] <jclift> And Gluster Community has people on all different kinds of OS's that may try it out
[13:31] <smoser> yeah. its better in that sense.
[13:31] <smoser> hm..
[13:31] <smoser> so one thing you could do, is not use metadata
[13:31] <smoser> but just user-data.
[13:31] <smoser> is there a reason for meta-data ?
[13:32] <jclift> Yeah, there's a 2K limit for user data, and I want to keep them separate
[13:32] <jclift> Also, I don't know how to do the multi-part stuff programatically yet
[13:32] <smoser> the limit should be i think 16k, and it can be compressed.
[13:32] <jclift> It's definitely 2K with rackspace cloud
[13:32] <smoser> well, it can at least be compressed.
[13:33] <smoser> 2k is silly small
[13:33] <jclift> It's even documented as 10K in some places in source... but in practice their API rejects anything over 2K
[13:33] <jclift> Yeah, agreed
[13:33] <smoser> (and you can use '#include')
[13:33] <jclift> Yep
[13:33] <jclift> Discovered that yesterday ;)
[13:33] <smoser> but #include increases complexity
[13:33] <jclift> eg https://forge.gluster.org/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/blobs/script_refactoring/remote_centos6.cfg
[13:33] <jclift> Yeah
[13:33] <smoser> multipart is really easy though to do programatically.
[13:33] <smoser> you just throw whatever "parts" you want into a yaml list
[13:33] <jclift> Ahhh cool.
[13:34] <jclift> k
[13:34] <smoser> (and yaml == json)
[13:34] <jclift> Sure
[13:34] <jclift> I need to include a config file (eg as above), plus a script file to run afterwards (aka runcmd)
[13:35] <jclift> Tried listing both under an #include, but only the config file gets executed
[13:35] <smoser> ?
[13:35] <jclift> It's on my ToDo list to figure out later on today wtf is going wrong there
[13:35] <smoser> that should work.
[13:35] <smoser> oh.
[13:36] <smoser> it should work.
[13:36] <smoser> #include
[13:36] <smoser> http://url/1
[13:36] <smoser> http://url/2
[13:36] <smoser> you just have to get the "startswith" right.
[13:36] <smoser> ie, '#cloud-config' or '#!'
[13:36] <smoser> and cloud-init should do the right thing
[13:37] <smoser> anyway, other than being config-drive specific i dont think what you have there is horrendos
[13:44] <jclift> Yeah, that's what I tried yesterday. The config bit worked (first url), the 2nd didn't.  But I haven't looked through the cloud-init log to figure out why, even though I could see the 2nd URL was pulled down into user-data.i (or similar name, this is from memory)
[13:45] <jclift> I'll look into it later on today, it's probably something simple. :)
[13:45] <jclift> smoser: Does this seem like a valid startswith? https://forge.gluster.org/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/glusterfs-rackspace-regression-tester/blobs/script_refactoring/regression_test.sh
[13:46] <jclift> eg bash
[13:46] <jclift> Probably nothing bash specific in there, so changing to /bin/sh instead would likely work straight off
[13:46] <jclift> Meh, I'll investigate later.  Other things to finish first.
[13:46] <jclift> :)
[13:48] <smoser> it should, yeah, '#!' should be good enough.
[13:51] <smoser> jclift, regarding "obvious"
[13:51] <smoser> maybe that /usr/bin/bash doesn't exist ?
[13:52] <jclift> Hmmm, completely possible
[13:52] <jclift> I'll check in a sec.  Filling forms for other stuff atm.
[13:52] <smoser> also, one thing i'd suggest, is to set "cloud-init-output"
[13:52] <smoser> output: {all: '| tee -a /var/log/cloud-init-output.log'}
[13:52] <smoser> that is the default in trunk now, but is extremely useful.
[13:53] <smoser> that way any output of subprocesses of cloud-init goes there.
[14:00] <jclift> Useful tip.  I'll look into it shortly. :)
[18:11] <jclift> smoser: Interestingly, there's no flag file written by kernel updates for CentOS/RHEL/etc.
[18:11] <jclift> smoser: However, there's a yum "reboot_suggested" flag that gets written to yum metadata
[18:11] <jclift> Yum is written in Python
[18:12] <jclift> And various parts of yum can be imported for use in python
[18:12] <jclift> There's an example of something called PackageKit using it here: https://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/source/945faa959f00e27d419517116c37e960d6093f56:backends/yum/yumBackend.py
[18:13] <jclift> In theory, it might be possible to just do something like "from yum.update_md import UpdateMetadata", and get it working from there
[18:15]  * jclift will experiment a bit, but my Python is very noobie level so you might be able to just glance at it and tell what to do. ;)
[19:42] <jclift> So, after speaking with the guys in the #yum channel, it looks like the reboot_suggested flag isn't that widely used.  So, may not actually be reliable.
[19:43] <jclift> They suggested just checking the version of the running kernel vs the latest installed one, and rebooting if they're different
[19:43] <jclift> I'll see if I can whip up a suitable patch to do that in a bit.  Kind of brain faded atm tho :/
[20:04] <smoser> jclift, that sounds fine.
[20:05] <smoser> its non-trivial to determine "latest kernel" though.
[20:05] <smoser> i dont know how one is supposed to do that. you'll probably have to use yum to compare versions.
[20:05] <jclift> They pointed me towards a recent yum command addition that does it.
[20:06] <jclift> smoser: I'll hunt that down and see if it's feasible to copy.  Yum being written in python too, etc.
[20:06] <jclift> May not be tonight though.  Kind of needing a break atm. :)
[20:07] <smoser> oh, its not reasnoable to copy.
[20:07] <smoser> you'd want to use the library. iirc rpm's "which version is greater" is massive spaghetti.
[20:17] <jclift> Damn.  This is apparently a new yum command, in recent Fedoras.  I haven't yet looked into it.
[20:17] <jclift> You could be completely right thogh.
[20:17] <jclift> Guess I'll be finding out soon. ;)


[07:54] <Kilos> morning peeps
[08:03]  * mazal peeks in
[08:03] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:06] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:06] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[08:06] <Kilos> ek kyk die klein ding http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hardware/131194-the-r110-computer-that-could-change-the-world.html
[08:06] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[08:07] <mazal> Goed dankie , raasie baie nie
[08:08] <mazal> Wag om te gaan breakfast saam vriende
[08:10] <mazal> Bekyk bietjie wat's nuut in minecraft , maar ek moet dit seker nie hier se nie lol :)
[08:12] <Kilos> lol
[08:14] <mazal> Although , it is fully Ubuntu compatible so not too far off topic
[08:15] <Kilos> you not tutoring on the game here
[08:15] <mazal> I never dare say a word about it with the minetest guys around , you get tapped on the fingers very quickly :)
[08:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:16] <Kilos> you are talking to me
[08:16] <mazal> Don't understand it at all though
[08:16] <mazal> Is like the PS3 vs XBOX thing. If a person likes both , so what
[08:16] <Kilos> that channel was made so this channel wasnt all totally off topic
[08:18] <Kilos> also at first we chatted pages of minetest stuff here and when someone wanted to answer a query some hours later they had to scroll back too much
[08:19] <mazal> Time for that breakfast
[08:19] <mazal> Have a nice morning oom
[08:19] <Kilos> enjoy
[08:19] <mazal> See l8tr
[08:19] <Kilos> ty
[08:20] <mazal> PC needs some rest after that huge update hehehe
[08:20] <mazal> bye :)
[08:20] <Kilos> lol
[08:20] <Kilos> bye
[08:20] <mazal> backup I mean *
[13:49] <Kilos> oh my , such a quiet day
[13:51] <magespawn> good afternoon
[13:51] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:52] <Kilos> MaNI  you here?
[13:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[13:56] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[15:03] <MaNI> Kilos, I wasn't but now I am
[15:03] <Kilos> haha
[15:04] <Kilos> i dont know when peeps havent got the afk/away function working
[15:04] <Kilos> so excuse me if you sometimes have to scroll back for miles
[15:05] <Kilos> stupid launchpad gives me a quota on how many peeps i can contact from there
[15:05] <Kilos> 2 emails and quota full for 23 hours
[15:06] <Kilos> grrr
[15:21] <MaNI> I should avoid reading the news :/
[15:21] <Kilos> why?
[15:21] <Kilos> you mean its all bad
[15:21] <MaNI> hehe, yeah now we are buying trains that are the wrong size
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:37] <Kilos> w000t got ubuntu-nm to join our group
[15:37] <Kilos> only took 6 months
[15:50] <Kilos> inetpro  superfly  ^^
[15:50]  * Kilos dances a jig
[16:31] <mazal> NM is ?
[16:31] <mazal> Namibia ?
[16:31] <Kilos> yeah
[16:32] <mazal> Good work oom
[16:32] <Kilos> ty mazal
[16:33] <Kilos> the only way i can get any feedback from lots of them is by joining them and their mailing lists and then sending my message across
[16:33] <Kilos> n boer maak n plan
[16:33] <Kilos> i think i have 4 left then i have the whole of africa
[16:34] <mazal> That's great work
[16:35] <Kilos> mainly thats because i dont want to join them on facebook
[18:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:09] <inetpro> good evening
[18:27] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[18:27] <MaNI> thanks
[18:27] <inetpro> well done oom Kilos
[18:28] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:28] <Kilos> 4 more then i can hand the project over
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <inetpro> haha
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: where do you get 4 from?
[18:33] <Kilos> well i have found 14 of the 18
[18:34]  * inetpro still seeing 6 with status "Missing"
[18:34] <Kilos> oh my
[18:34] <Kilos> lemme see
[18:34] <inetpro> and then there are many more countries in Africa than just those 18
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: you still have some work to do sir
[18:35] <Kilos> nono locos im was given the project of finding
[18:35] <inetpro> nono, you job is to establish a loco per country
[18:35] <Kilos> nono
[18:35] <inetpro> :-)
[18:36] <inetpro> you giving up that easily?
[18:36] <Kilos> the project was to connect us to other locdos in africa
[18:36] <Kilos> nono
[18:36] <Kilos> s/locdos/locos
[18:37] <Kilos> oh my how can there still be 6 more
[18:37] <inetpro> how will you ever conquer the world if you set such a low target?
[18:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:38] <Kilos> waiting for ivory cost to reply to mail
[18:38] <inetpro> you wanna tell me all the other countries have zero Ubuntu users?
[18:39] <Kilos> well,
[18:39] <Kilos> maybe i can hand it over to the teams that have joined
[18:39] <inetpro> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> burkono faso i have to hand over to someone that speaks french, the dont seem to do english
[18:42] <Kilos> senegal french and wolof
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <Kilos> inetpro  when peeps join africa on launchpad must the join the ml as well or is it automagic
[19:19]  * Kilos had another idea
[19:19] <inetpro> it's not automatic
[19:19] <Kilos> aw
[19:20] <Kilos> ok next question
[19:20] <Kilos> can only each individual join the ml or can i do that
[19:20] <Kilos> or even better can you
[19:20] <Kilos> hehe
[19:22] <inetpro> uh!?
[19:22] <inetpro> please rephrase
[19:23] <Kilos> i have found how to add lp members to the africa lp team, so can you then subscribe them to the mailing list
[19:23] <inetpro> no
[19:23] <inetpro> don't do it!
[19:23] <Kilos> can you make the ml automagically subscibe them
[19:23] <Kilos> oh
[19:23] <Kilos> explain
[19:23] <inetpro> no
[19:23] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:24] <Kilos> night mazal
[19:24] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:24] <mazal> Dankie oom ook
[19:24] <inetpro> nag mazal
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you do not want to be blacklisted
[19:24] <Kilos> by who??
[19:25] <Kilos> and why
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: always hand the control to the user
[19:26] <inetpro> let the user decide whether he wants to join or not
[19:26] <Kilos> the option you mean?
[19:26] <inetpro> don't forcefeed anyone
[19:26] <Kilos> ok i savvy that but im not going to follow them peeps on twitter and fb just to make contact
[19:27] <Kilos> like can i tweet to someone without following
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: get the book "The Art of Community" by Jono Bacon
[19:40] <Kilos> nono
[19:40] <Kilos> no more rtfs
[19:40] <inetpro> why nono?
[19:44] <Kilos> sigh , i got it
[19:48] <inetpro> 2nd edition
[19:48] <Kilos> sec
[19:48] <inetpro> cool... read it
[19:48] <inetpro> it's only 574 pages
[19:49] <Kilos> eeeek
[19:49] <inetpro> maybe you can finish it long before me
[19:49] <Kilos> i cant see what edition it is
[19:49] <inetpro> it's on the front page
[19:49] <Kilos> oh i got it here http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/downloads/jonobacon-theartofcommunity-1ed.pdf
[19:50] <Kilos> 1st i think
[19:50] <Kilos> if that 1ed means first
[19:50] <inetpro> The Art of Community
[19:50] <inetpro> Building the New Age of Participation
[19:50] <inetpro> Second Edition
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/
[19:51] <Kilos> man give me a link not stories of what to look for
[19:51] <Kilos> ha
[19:52] <inetpro> ai!
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:52] <Kilos> its taking forever to open
[19:54] <inetpro> it's only 20MB
[19:54] <Kilos> ok ty i have both now
[19:54] <Kilos> now with all the rtfs no time for anything else
[19:54] <inetpro> save it in a folder where you wll remeember
[19:54] <Kilos> i have both in downloads
[19:55] <inetpro> oh and please note it was written in 2012... we've moved on since then
[19:55] <Kilos> ai!
[19:56] <inetpro> s/written/published/
[19:56] <Kilos> nee man mense is mense
[19:56] <Kilos> i just need to charm then then they do it my way
[19:56]  * Kilos ducks
[19:57] <Kilos> time to get hot water bottle ready for bed
[19:59] <Kilos> oh inetpro  i found fridges and all kinds of things for 12v
[19:59] <Kilos> but more about that on another day
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: you sure?
[19:59] <Kilos> even a 12v kettle
[20:00] <Kilos> and a solar hgeyser
[20:00] <Kilos> but about 7k for that
[20:00] <inetpro> the 12V is just used for lighting the gas
[20:00] <Kilos> ai!
[20:00] <Kilos> thats no good billy
[20:01] <inetpro> :-)
[20:02] <Kilos> ill investigate more
[20:04] <Kilos> there is also them old coal or antracite stoves soos op die ou plase
[20:04] <Kilos> baie lekker in die winter
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: we need something that can use renewable energy
[20:09] <inetpro> think long term sustainability, not short term pleasure
[20:09] <inetpro> s/pleasure/convenience/
[20:10] <Kilos> ok so its to find 12v elements
[20:10] <Kilos> but the investment will be huge to get everything
[20:10] <Kilos> but within 10 yars should pay for itself
[20:10] <Kilos> years
[20:10] <inetpro> anything sustanainable that is also affordable
[20:11] <Kilos> ai!
[20:11] <Kilos> oh MaNI  thats what i wanted to ask you
[20:11] <Kilos> how is you dc setup going
[20:11] <MaNI> it isn't yet :p
[20:12] <Kilos> oi
[20:12] <MaNI> panels and batteries in lounge, charge controller arrives tomorrow, battery balances hopefully by thursday
[20:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: lighting is easy, but the savings are very low
[20:12] <MaNI> weather permitting I should be up by the end of the week
[20:13] <Kilos> yes inetpro i agree
[20:13] <MaNI> generally 24v would be better than 12v by the way
[20:13] <Kilos> anything that needs to make heat to cook or heat water is what costs
[20:15] <Kilos> in toti we had a large coil of black plastic pipe on the roof above kitchen for washing dishes
[20:15] <Kilos> but to heat enough for a few baths could be trickey
[20:16] <MaNI> I agree and disagree at the same time on that common opinion. Yes geyser, cooking etc. is highest draw by far but its for very short periods of time, while digital stuff draws constantly even if much less
[20:16] <Kilos> inetpro  http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/china-solar-cooker.html
[20:17] <MaNI> I have more digital stuff than usual but I have my digital stuff as probably my second biggest consumer (once all added together)
[20:17] <MaNI> geyser 6kwh a day (possibly an overestimate) where my digital is somewhere around 5kwh
[20:17] <Kilos> no man work out how much power you need to fill one bath with hot water
[20:18] <Kilos> elements use very much more power than a pc does
[20:18] <MaNI> they do but they aren't on all day long
[20:19] <Kilos> one geyser uses 30% of your months electricity
[20:20] <MaNI> yeah, not disputing that geyser is a big part of the bill, what I'm saying is that all digital stuff + lights combined is in my case (and possibly many others a close second)
[20:20] <Kilos> ah
[20:21] <MaNI> if the digital stuff can be chopped for a similar or cheaper price than the geyser (and bring other benefits like backup against load shedding) then the common conventional geyser first wisdom maybe starts to fall apart a bit
[20:21] <inetpro> my laptop charger is rated as 73.19Wh
[20:22] <inetpro> my geyser uses about 400 kWh per month
[20:23] <MaNI> mine is 70 as well (actual watt meter not rating) + 30 for monitor :)
[20:23] <inetpro> what do we pay for electricity in Tshwane these days?
[20:23] <Kilos> inetpro  too much
[20:24] <inetpro> last I checked it was something like R1.22 per kWh
[20:24] <inetpro> I think
[20:25] <MaNI> if you ran it 24 hours a day = 1.752kWh = 52.5 for the month. No geyser but just saying seemingly small things add up if they are run a lot
[20:26] <Kilos> someone here once posted that his pc used R7 in 1/12 months
[20:26] <Kilos> something about some new kinda energy efficient thing
[20:27] <MaNI> maybe he doesn't use it much :p
[20:28] <Kilos> with lots of effort i spose i could check current drain here
[20:28] <MaNI> my two main pcs are 120W and 85W 'idle' much more when doing lots of stuff, been measuring with a nifty watt meter plug I bought
[20:29] <Kilos> how much more
[20:29] <MaNI> depends what they are doing
[20:29] <Kilos> and what is doing lotsa stuff
[20:30] <MaNI> up to 180W if starting some programs
[20:30] <MaNI> over 200w if gaming
[20:31] <Kilos> ok
[20:31] <Kilos> i only freecell so im good
[20:31] <MaNI> I have an integrated GPU core which is quite energy efficient - with an external graphics card I'd expect as much as 400w
[20:31] <Kilos> whew
[20:32] <MaNI> my LED screen draws only 27.5W while the same size older LCD draws 42W - interesting to see the difference :p
[20:32] <Kilos> yeah
[20:33] <Kilos> some things have improved stacks
[20:33] <inetpro> interesting!
[20:33] <Kilos> anyway i must go bed
[20:33] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:34] <MaNI> in COCT it is now 175.90 c/kWh for first 600 and 213.90 c/kWh thereafter
[20:35] <MaNI> so a small reduction brings greater gains than a large system
[20:35] <inetpro> wow, gone up quite a bit
[20:35] <MaNI> i.e. if I use 900 kWh a month I get the best bang for bucks if I can chop off 300 kWh
[20:35] <MaNI> yeah latest price hikes are bad :(
[20:36] <MaNI> just went up this month
[20:58] <inetpro> 07/05 22:12:22 <MaNI> panels and batteries in lounge, charge controller arrives tomorrow, battery balances hopefully by thursday
[20:58] <inetpro> how many panels and batteries?
[20:59] <MaNI> 6 panels 4 batteries - though I possibly got too many panels 4 may have been enough, time will tell
[20:59] <inetpro> or shall I rather ask, how much power in kWh are you planning to store for now?
[21:00] <MaNI> doing this as much for research as anything else, I'll publish the results for others to benefit from
[21:00] <inetpro> cool
[21:01] <MaNI> batteries are small - 22Ah (but they are proper deep cycles ones that can discharge far)
[21:01] <MaNI> I'm purposefully trying to do things a bit different then normal - normal focus is on systems that will provide power all night etc. which are expensive
[21:03] <MaNI> I'm trying to find a good balance thats sort of 'as cheap as you can get away with to help you with 4 hours of load shedding and save yourself money in a 3-4  year timespan) but still upgrade in future'
[21:03]  * inetpro should really focus on reducing power usage on big stuff like geyser, stove and heaters
[21:04] <MaNI> see thats the thing, thats still the best focus if all you want is cost reduction, but it doesn't help you at all in terms of power outages :p
[21:04] <inetpro> geyser should actually be a no-brainer these days but I haven't done it yet
[21:05]  * inetpro can live with two hours of loadshedding, as inconvenient as it is
[21:06] <MaNI> I'm looking to show that conventional wisdom is no longer necessarily right. I mean if you only have R15k or R20k to spend. If you have lots to spend then geyser etc. first is still best policy
[21:06] <MaNI> but yeah it all depends on needs
[21:08] <superfly> MaNI: where in Cape Town do you live?
[21:08] <MaNI> I find it quite funny/sad to see people saying things like - "what is the minimum system I need so that I can power 3x 50 inch tvs during loadshedding for myself, wife and children" - can't they just kick their children outside or read a book or something,  just shows how crazy peoples priorities can be
[21:08] <MaNI> superfly, I'm out in Gordons Bay
[21:08] <superfly> MaNI: +1
[21:08] <superfly> Ah, OK, I'm in Muizenberg
[21:09] <inetpro> MaNI: when my TV broke a few years ago it was the best thing that could ever happen
[21:10] <MaNI> heh, I threw mine away when I moved to CT, which is now like 6 years or something
[21:10] <inetpro> the kids became human again
[21:10] <superfly> yeah, we've never had a TV
[21:10] <MaNI> have not missed it, though I do of course watch some series and stuff still on computers
[21:10] <superfly> I actually have hired a jungle gym for the kids (it's R250/month)
[21:10] <MaNI> but somehow not having a dedicated box is better, way less inclined to watch junk, brain washing news etc. :p
[21:11]  * superfly must go to bed
[21:11] <superfly> night all
[21:11] <MaNI> yeah also :p
[21:11] <inetpro> good night superfly
[21:11] <inetpro> oh and good night MaNI and everyone else


[02:08] <kkszysiu> hello
[02:09] <kkszysiu> I have a problem. I have a PPA and I got an error before I releasefirst (bad) version of my lib
[02:09] <kkszysiu> Error: File telepathy-sunshine_0.1.7-1.diff.gz already exists in Telepathy Stuff, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[02:10] <kkszysiu> I deleted ffiles from PPA but I still get that error
[02:10] <kkszysiu> any solutions?
[02:10] <wgrant> kkszysiu: You can't upload two different packages with the same version number; that doesn't make sense.
[02:10] <wgrant> You need to change the version number.
[02:10] <wgrant> (I would recommend that you start with 0.1.7-0ppa1
[02:11] <wgrant> Then 0ppa2, and so on.
[04:37] <doctormo> *face palm*
[04:38] <doctormo> I can't log out someone who was using my computer on Launchpad
[04:38] <doctormo> I press log out, then I go to log in... and suddenly I'm logged in as this same person again.
[04:38] <doctormo> A symptom of openid?
[04:38] <crimsun> cleared cookies, etc.?
[04:39] <wgrant> doctormo: Sounds like somebody in ISD flipped the 'authorize OpenID request automatically' flip for launchpad.net on the SSO provider.
[04:39] <wgrant> Er, flipped the *switch*
[04:39] <doctormo> wgrant: Deal
[04:39] <wgrant> There is one, which is used for U1.
[04:40] <wgrant> Oh, login.launchpad.net is actually using the new Django codebase now.
[04:41] <doctormo> wgrant: That's good right?
[04:42] <wgrant> doctormo: Yeah, <3 gratuitously proprietary software.
[05:14] <kirkland> http://paste.ubuntu.com/409340/ ...  why when I run that i get -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/409341/
[08:32] <z3r0c001> hi
[08:36] <z3r0c001> i tried to sign the code of conduct and this error message Oops!
[08:36] <z3r0c001> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[08:36] <z3r0c001> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[08:36] <z3r0c001> (Error ID: OOPS-1556G944)
[10:02] <nigelb> loggerhead down?
[13:33] <cr3> if someone posts spam in a launchpad question, what should I do?
[13:34] <nigelb> cr3, in a bug?
[13:34] <cr3> nigelb: in a launchpad question, ie the answer tracker
[13:35] <nigelb> cr3, ironically you have to open a question against launchpad itself and the admins will get to it
[13:35] <nigelb> deryck, anything else you want for ^?
[13:35] <cr3> nigelb: awesome!
[13:36] <deryck> nigelb, nah, just open a question is good enough and someone will assign to losas to deal with.
[13:37] <nigelb> deryck, thanks :)
[13:38] <cr3> nigelb: reported question #106515
[13:39] <nigelb> cr3, someone should look into it soon :)
[15:13]  * maxb wonders if someone could approve this code import: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/guice/trunk
[17:34] <mfraz74> just been looking for a bug on launchpad - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/554519
[17:34] <mfraz74> this says it is a duplicate of bug #553745. how come i can't access that bug?
[17:36] <nigelb> mfraz74, crash?
[17:36] <mfraz74> it was to do with fsck
[17:37] <lamont> who all has the ability to retry a build in, say, the ubuntu main archive?
[17:38] <nigelb> mfraz74, its private.  give me a moment to confirm nothing that cannot be made public is there in the bug
[17:48] <nigelb> mfraz74, try bug 553745 now?
[18:07] <geser> lamont: everyone who can upload a package can trigger a give-back of that package (plus special teams like buildd admins I guess)
[18:07] <lamont> ok
[18:07] <nigelb> is the redirect in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug turned off ?
[18:08] <lamont> nigelb: ISTR that core-devs aren't redirected
[18:08] <nigelb> apparently bug control isn't either
[18:08] <nigelb> because I dont get redirected
[18:09] <jpds> nigelb: Yes, people who are in bugcontrol and devs don't get redirected.
[18:09] <nigelb> jpds, thank you.  that must be new since I got redirected a few days back
[18:12] <mfraz74> nigelb: thanks
[18:12] <nigelb> mfraz74, np :)
[19:13] <ripps> How long before packages in depwait are rebuilt?
[20:09] <jussi01> Hiya all.
[20:10] <jussi01> How does one make bugs private to a particular LP team? and is there a way of doing that at time of filing?
[20:16] <tumbleweed> jussi01: security bugs are private to the security contact for the project
[20:18] <jussi01> tumbleweed: yeah, what Im trying to do is use LP for private IRC council issues. is it possible?
[20:18] <jussi01> tumbleweed: so just marking it as a security bug and having us set as the security contact should do it then, no?
[20:19] <tumbleweed> that should work. I assume security bugs become public when resolved?
[20:26] <jussi01> tumbleweed: some of them.
[20:28] <jussi01> tumbleweed: its for sensitve community issues, not actual security bugs :D
[20:29] <tumbleweed> jussi01: that's why I mentioned that. it's a good policy to have discussion public after the fact. but it may need some time to lapse first
[20:30] <jussi01> tumbleweed: ahh. thats another topic altogether.
[23:46] <dhastha> danilos, are you available?


[12:47] <BluesKaj_> Merry Christmas to all !
[12:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: And to you sir
[12:54] <BluesKaj_> thanks penguin42 , all the best to you
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> was accused of pushing my religion on others, but I lust ignored the jerk...noy much goodwill there
[12:56] <BluesKaj_>  not
[12:57] <penguin42> well, it's not my religion, but I'll happily take the days public holiday and lie in bed, and discount chocolatey things
[12:58] <BluesKaj_> exactly
[12:59] <BluesKaj_> it's more of a tradition than religious celebration with most ppl anyway
[13:01] <BluesKaj_> even with those of us who are born christian