[00:30] <ruben23> hi guys i ahve a hosted linux server now , my provider told me that i been hack attack becasue my badnwidth usage increase to much- can you help me guys this is my current iptables---> http://pastebin.com/m9dHg5Ft
[00:30] <ruben23> any idea how to counter this attack , i see it here ----> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 139M packets, 4120M bytes)  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
[01:10] <ckrailo> my google-fu is failing me here. anybody know of a command-line PDF validator that i can run on my server to check if a PDF file isn't fubar (aka will open in Preview or Adobe Acrobat or whatever)?
[03:11] <koolhead17> nijaba, around?
[03:42] <FckBEye> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ADQpzPDBGI
[03:42] <FckBEye> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ADQpzPDBGI
[04:23] <MrMibbit> system setting will not allow be to change wallpaper
[04:23] <MrMibbit> settings
[04:36] <MrMibbit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHQPA0jCVg
[05:03] <MrMibbit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHj7uPgX4Rw&feature=related
[05:06] <MrMibbit> [CHUCK NORRIS] 			Chuck Norris makes onions cry.
[05:10] <MrMibbit> [CHUCK NORRIS] 			Chuck Norris is so powerful that any woman that he lets have sex with him has to have a licence to operate heavy machinery.
[09:09] <OrangeTux> Is the following enough to backup a just configured ubuntu server? $rsync -vzr --rsh="ssh -p3000" --exclude "proc/*" root@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/ /my/local/file/system/07072012-elektim
[09:11] <OrangeTux> In case of a server crash or something can I restore the whole serverconfiguration by copying the backupfiles back to the server?
[11:53] <Sprocks> does anyone here know how to set up a PPTP VPN server that uses RSA on ubuntu server?
[13:36] <Sprocks> does anyone here know how to set up a PPTP VPN server that uses RSA on ubuntu server?
[13:49] <patdk-lap> sprocks, you can't do pptp using rsa
[13:49] <patdk-lap> unless your talking about, doing ipsec with l2tp
[13:50] <Sprocks> is that an ubuntu restriction?
[13:50] <patdk-lap> then the ipsec side could do rsa, but normally doesn't
[13:50] <patdk-lap> no, it's a ppp issue
[13:51] <Sprocks> hmm thats not what my iphone says, but ok ill switch it to password, do you have steps to set the up?
[13:51] <patdk-lap> the iphone uses ipsec :)
[13:51] <patdk-lap> atleast I haven't heard of ios supporting pptp
[13:51] <Sprocks> it can also use PPTP and L2TP
[13:51] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked it doesnt
[13:52] <Sprocks> at least mine can
[13:52] <TheLordOfTime> either that or you're misinterpreting its abilities
[13:52] <Sprocks> im looking at the VPN config screen right now
[13:53] <Sprocks> http://new.hideipvpn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hideipvpn_iphone4.png
[13:53] <patdk-lap> that is rsasecureid
[13:53] <patdk-lap> totally different from rsa
[13:54] <TheLordOfTime> ^
[13:54] <Sprocks> did i forget to add secure id to my question?
[13:54] <TheLordOfTime> yup
[13:54] <Sprocks> oh sh** ya i did
[13:54] <Sprocks> sorry ya meant with RSA secure ID
[13:54] <patdk-lap> you can :)
[13:54] <patdk-lap> you will have to get the libs/token from rsa company
[13:55] <Sprocks> do you think thats worth it?
[13:56] <patdk-lap> it's nice, there are other methods that aren't so costly
[13:57] <patdk-lap> it's just a normal OTP system
[13:57] <Sprocks> like using the standard password auth?
[13:57] <patdk-lap> no
[13:57] <patdk-lap> like using any other OTP system
[13:58] <Sprocks> is there a page that has the steps needed to install and configure a VPN server with these other OTP systems?
[17:31]  * nrd hi all
[18:51] <gfkjunior> Hey ya'll I was just hoping for some advice for setting up a personal server.
[18:52] <gfkjunior> It's for nothing in particular just to learn, is a vps the best way to go?
[18:56] <dax> If you're just looking to learn, I'd find an old computer and install it on there, or use a virtual machine (e.g. in Virtualbox). No monthly fee that way.
[18:56] <dax> although then you don't get something that's useful as a production mailserver/webserver/whatnot, so VPS might be the best way to go if you need that
[18:59] <gfkjunior> I don't have a lot of space and I found affordable vps services so I'm leaning that way. Are all vps providers essentially the same except for price points/features?
[19:00] <gfkjunior> All I would really like is to set up a file server and play around with ssh and stuff.
[19:11] <sw> gfkjunior: the virtualisation platforms differ, etc. it'll all be explained on their websites. I've always used Linode
[19:12] <gfkjunior> I've heard really good stuff about linode. Thanks ya'll
[20:16] <eNTi> hi. i was wondering, if someone could help me debug as to why certain daemons fail to start @init. is it possible that one daemon just fails and then the rest won't be even tried?
[20:17] <eNTi> i have no idea where to look in my logs
[22:25] <bca> Hello, I run Ubuntu Server 12.04. Is there a way to limit the amount of disk space a user can use in their home directory? (a quota)
[22:33] <PatrickDK> sure, enable quotes, and set one
[22:37] <bca> PatrickDK: How do I enable them?
[22:38]  * PatrickDK would assume the ubunt server guide knows
[22:38] <bca> thanks
[23:13] <bca> One more question. Is there an easy way to monitor bandwith usage?
[23:15] <usul> I installed server, but I can find a terminal in the gui
[23:16] <usul> it's fine it I toggle outside it, but I want a term in the gui, what do I need to apt-get that I shouldn't have already gotten with ubuntu-desktop?
[23:30] <Skaag> hm. I thought having my email hosted by google apps for domains was free?
[23:39] <andol> bca: You can get the data both from ifconfig as well as from iptables. Myself I graph that data (as well as other system metrics) using munin.
[23:39] <bca> Okay, thanks :)
[23:46] <BoF> buenas gente


[01:39] <Elazar> Was the LAMP server install option removed in Feisty Fawn?
[01:40] <sahafeez> no
[01:43] <Elazar> It's not showing up on the menu as an option for me.
[01:44] <sahafeez> hum, was when i installed yesterday.
[01:44] <sahafeez> i did the easy install and it asked
[01:44] <sahafeez> at some point
[01:46] <Elazar> i.e. the Install to hard disk option in Normal mode?
[01:51] <sahafeez> boot the cd, start the install 1st choice, normal mode.
[01:51] <sahafeez> sorry i do not remmber more


[02:18] <_marx_> akgraner: i'll look to in the am, likely rain day tomorrow
[02:19] <akgraner> k
[02:20] <_marx_> watching the speech now
[02:33] <akgraner> not me - writing up interviews..and getting ready to head to Tempe on Friday..  I tagged a few more pics on FB the house is coming along :-)  yay!


[23:13] <PCLine_> Hello everyone
[23:14] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:14] <PCLine_> Hey Unit193 - Hows it going?
[23:16] <Unit193> Hot, but still managing to get a little done.  You?
[23:18] <PCLine_> I think I am the same as yesterday...  Food cooking - AC is on - wondering what I need to do.
[23:19] <Unit193> Need to really get stuff done in the yard, but I can never handle heat well.
[23:19] <Unit193> At least, they're predicting a very cold winter, colder than last year.
[23:23] <PCLine_> I need to Mow - Hoping the forcast of HOT changes a little.
[23:24] <Unit193> Exactly.
[23:25] <PCLine_> I dont even think they are calling for rain this week.
[23:25] <PCLine_> or clouds
[23:25] <Unit193> Bleh, stinking heat..
[23:29] <PCLine_> Well if it was a little cooler out I would not get a chance to test out Cisco VPN with my Ubuntu install.


[00:00] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I can't even imagine setting every damn window to start up on certain position :P
[00:00] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I do this and it helps me a lot :)
[00:01] <Quintasan> well, let me restart X
[00:01] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i opened it up last week, krita is using old lib which conflicts with new one libkcraw8
[00:01] <_Groo_> the one i opened about kdenlive, lex took care of it, this one remains
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> hrm, scp'ing my home dir is totally killing my bandwith :3
[00:03] <neversfelde> packages.ubuntu.com says, that we have koffice 2.0.2 in lucid?
[00:05]  * neversfelde checks bzr
[00:06] <Quintasan> neversfelde: oh well, guess I will just create rules for the "stupid" windows, for ex. Konversation shows on main screen with no rule :P
[00:07] <neversfelde> _Groo_: koffice is build against libkdcraw8-dev (>= 4:4.3.80). Are you sure that this bug still exists?
[00:07] <_Groo_> neversfelde: try to install krita :) it will brake
[00:07] <neversfelde> _Groo_: no 10.04 here
[00:08] <_Groo_> neversfelde: http://pastebin.ca/1726358
[00:09] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I am not sure that it is a problem with krita
[00:10] <_Groo_> neversfelde: http://pastebin.ca/1726363
[00:13] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ahhh wait a moment, aparently i have some karmic packages showing up which have koffice 2.1, lucid still has 2.0.2?
[00:15] <neversfelde> _Groo_: seems that there are some major changes, the koffice merge is unreleased yet
[00:15] <neversfelde> I do not know why packages.ubuntu.com has 2.0.2, afaik 2.1 was publishedfor lucid
[00:16] <neversfelde> but I was away for a few weeks, so probably someone else knows the answer
[00:18] <_Groo_> neversfelde: yeah, well, then thats why i "see" broken packages.. im seeing karmic ones
[00:18]  * _Groo_ sees broken dead packages oO
[00:23] <_Groo_> actually im not..
[00:23] <_Groo_> koffice-kde4 is strange indeed.
[00:23] <_Groo_> neversfelde: could you release the 2.1 build for lucid?
[00:24] <neversfelde> _Groo_: no :) I am only a contributor, I have no upload rights
[00:24] <_Groo_> whos the one to poke? apachelogger?
[00:26] <neversfelde> Riddell: I am not sure, if "canoe in an open canadian" can be fun when it is - 16 degrees, but I wish you a great trip ;)
[00:28] <neversfelde> I have a problem with updating fancytasks http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/346174/
[00:29] <neversfelde> can I just copy over the debian dir and ignore this?
[00:29] <neversfelde> _Groo_: the Ubuntu sponsors for main, but I bet, they are already notified, but busy these days
[02:59] <daskreech> Kwin is such a crapshoot for me in KDE 4.4
[03:25]  * daskreech wonders if e for e-monkey stands of evil
[03:26]  * daskreech sets emonkey off against eviljussi01
[08:09] <emonkey> daskreech, not really ... :-) (or is email, evil-mail?)
[09:22] <jussi01> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[09:24] <jussi01> hrm, ScottK you should probably add gawk as some sort of dependency to quassel
[09:24] <jussi01> Resuming in non X mode: glxinfo not found in path
[09:24] <jussi01> CPU[-Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T9300 (SMP) clocked at Min:800.000Mhz Max:2501.000Mhz-] Kernel[-2.6.31-16-generic i686-] Up[-7 min-] Mem[-373.2/3024.2MB-] HDD[-120.0GB(28.3% used)-] Procs[-142-] Client[-Quassel v0.6-pre (0.5.0+76 git-eb8fe0e*)-] inxi[-1.0.17-]
[11:33] <Quintasan> Hiho
[13:06] <Mamarok> Quintasan: we need new qtscriptbindings the old ones are still compiled with Qt 4.5...
[13:06] <Mamarok> hence Amarok crashes galore with KDE SC 4.4 beta 2
[13:07] <Mamarok> impossible to even test <IP_ADDRESS> on KDE SC 4.4 with that
[13:07] <Mamarok> it crashes right after the start
[14:40] <neversfelde> Mamarok: is this a problem in lucid or with the PPA packages?
[14:51] <markey> neversfelde: PPA, I think
[14:51] <markey> (she's taking a nap right now)
[14:52] <neversfelde> markey: k, I will have a look at it
[14:53] <markey> nice, thanks :)
[15:07] <ScottK> jussi01: Merry Christmas.  Pleae file a bug with the details and assign it to me.
[15:08] <ScottK> Merry Christmas everyone.
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> Merry Christmas
[15:12] <neversfelde> Merry Christmas ScottK
[15:12] <neversfelde> and JontheEchidna
[15:45] <neversfelde> Upgrade to KDE SC 4.3.85 went fine on Karmic except http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/346512/
[16:02] <jussi01> ScottK: sure, and merry christmas to you :)
[16:17] <neversfelde> Mamarok, markey: I cannot reproduce problems with amarok here. All is working fine.
[16:20] <dasKreeCh> Which problems and which amarok?
[16:35] <dasKreeCh> JontheEchidna: lucid?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> yep, running lucid
[16:35] <dasKreeCh> howsit?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> pretty good
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> <3 new lappy
[16:37] <dasKreeCh> :-)
[16:38] <dasKreeCh> feels nicer?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> I can actualy use desktop effects now
[16:41] <dasKreeCh> That's 5/0% for me right now on SC b2
[16:42] <dasKreeCh> 1/2 the time it will tell me it either cannot find the video card or the extensions fail so I can't turn it on. Other 1/2 it works fine
[16:49] <Mamarok> neversfelde: it crashes persistently, can't even make it stay for more than 10 seconds
[16:50] <Mamarok> and the qtscriptbindings are compiled against Qt 4.5.1 apparently, that will not work
[16:51] <neversfelde> Mamarok: you are using Karmic?
[16:51] <Mamarok> yep
[16:51] <Mamarok> but KDE 4.4. beta 2
[16:51] <Mamarok> neversfelde: using Amarok 2.2-git, of course
[16:52] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I tested it with KDE SC 4.4 beta2 and the Amarok packages in our beta backports PPA, no problems so far.
[16:53] <Mamarok> neversfelde: tried the Amarok 2.2.1 90 packages?
[16:53] <neversfelde> Mamarok: yes
[16:54] <Mamarok> well, then I don't know, but I can't make Amarok work with 4.4 SC beta, and from the console output it has problems with the scriptbindings
[16:55] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I have a qtscriptbindings package that was build against Qt 4.6.0, still needs testbuilding. I'll ping you, when it is ready.
[16:55] <Mamarok> neversfelde: yes, please :)
[17:57] <dasKreeCh> JontheEchidna: are you doing a clean install or a migration?
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> clean install, scp over the home dir
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> so both, I guess
[17:58] <dasKreeCh> JontheEchidna: I'm always amazed at how much I've customized my install everytime I do a brand new install
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[17:58] <dasKreeCh> one of the weaknesses of UNIX I guess
[17:59] <dasKreeCh> It's too customizable and stable
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> a bit jpeg-artifacty, but: http://imagebin.ca/view/s4V_sm.html
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> forgot the pager :x
[18:11] <dasKreeCh> JontheEchidna: Bespin?
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:11] <dasKreeCh> That looks pretyt good actually
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> the bottom panel autohides as to not take up vertical space
[18:13] <dasKreeCh> How did you get it flattened like that?
[18:13] <dasKreeCh> some dock like panel replacement?
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> The Fancy Tasks widget comes with a custom panel
[18:13] <dasKreeCh> ah
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> right click -> add panel -> fancy panel, if you have plasma-widget-fancytasks installed
[18:15] <dasKreeCh> ok :-)
[18:15] <dasKreeCh> I wonder if I can drag a picture to a existing Photo widget and have it add the picture to the slideshow?
[18:18] <Mamarok> btw, I have no working Akonadi in beta 2, is this a known bug?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah, waiting on virtuoso
[18:19] <dasKreeCh> how far is that?
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> depends on when they release 6.0.1
[18:21] <Mamarok> which makes kontact totally useless, you are aware of that?
[18:27] <dasKreeCh> JontheEchidna: Probably not before new years
[18:28] <dasKreeCh> Mamarok: All of kontact?
[19:05] <nixternal> Happy Holidays everyone!
[19:28] <Mamarok> dasKreeCh: the address book doesn't work at all, and I really need that
[20:35] <patcito> hey
[20:37] <patcito> I get "plasma-desktop(6974)/plasma SystemTray::TaskArea::addWidgetForTask: widget already exists, trying to reposition it" flodding in my console when I add a systray to my panel
[20:37] <patcito> and plasma uses more than 80% of CPU, on lucid 4.4 beta 2
[20:50] <ScottK> If anyone has powerpc hardware, it's be very hand for me if you would try to install libnjb5 (in Lucid) and report any errors.
[21:17] <dasKreeCh> ScottK: #ubuntu-ppc ?
[21:22] <neversfelde> Mamarok: qtscriptgenerator is in staging, be careful with it ;)
[22:31] <Mamarok> neversfelde: great, thanks a lot :)
[23:35] <neversfelde> Mamarok: tell me if it helps. I tested the amarok packages from bate backports on a second machine and they are working there without it. So I am not sure what to do with these packages. Probably thes should go to the experimental ppa.
[23:38] <neversfelde> yay, kleopatra 4.3.85 can import the cacert root certificate. Great :)
[23:39] <dhillon-v10> hi guys, one of the kubuntu todo tasks was investigating the Sesame2 source packages, can I work on that task, if so how should I get started
[23:52] <Mamarok> neversfelde: indeed, it did not solve my problem, that was Qt 4.6.0 related, sorry for the work you did
[23:53] <neversfelde> Mamarok: no problem, I will delete the packages


[09:34] <kanupatar> hi guys
[09:34] <kanupatar> may i know, if we have the updstart port for arm?
[09:35] <kanupatar> I am planning to port this in my arm based board to check the fast boot fesibility
[09:43] <kanupatar> hello\
[10:58] <ZuZuu> Hi everybody
[10:58] <ZuZuu> I've got a trouble with upstart and Java launcher
[10:59] <ZuZuu> The error in upstart logs is : Could not reserve enough space for code cache
[10:59] <ZuZuu> The java launcher work weel with SystemV or just in the shell
[11:00] <ZuZuu> Anyone got idea?


[13:41] <zequence> len-1304: I'm looking at orphanded Debian packages, to see if there's something worth maintaining, as a step towards learning packaging http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned
[13:42] <len-1304> I wish I had one off the top of my head to tell you :)
[13:42] <len-1304> gcdmaster :)
[13:42] <zequence> Doesn't seem to be on that list
[13:43] <zequence> It has a maintainer Christian Hübschi
[13:43] <zequence><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:43] <len-1304> sounds ominous.
[13:44] <len-1304> does that mean someone is actually updating it or that it is just being used for cdrdao?
[13:44] <zequence> Here's a list of packages up for adoption http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage
[13:44] <zequence> It jsut means it's considered to be maintained
[13:44] <zequence> If it's not being maintained, it should probably be orphaned
[13:44] <len-1304> Well cdrdao is being maintained and there is a package
[13:45] <len-1304> it is just being build without the GUI
[13:45] <len-1304> (which it does automatically if it can't find the right libs)
[13:47] <zequence> cdrdao is actually orphaned
[13:48] <zequence> Same maintainer
[13:48] <len-1304> gcdmaster is a part of  that
[13:49] <len-1304> cdrdao once is used by a number of other projects... including ardour
[13:49] <len-1304> though not directly
[13:49] <zequence> To me it seems it's the other way around
[13:50] <zequence> gcdmaster depends on cdrdao
[13:50] <len-1304> how so?
[13:50] <len-1304> yes
[13:50] <len-1304> k3b, ardour and others also depend on cdrdao
[13:51] <len-1304> not as a depend, but the workflow depends on it
[13:51] <len-1304> I don't think there is any other disk at once cd writer, is there?
[13:52] <zequence> I'll think about taking this on. I'll put it on a list
[13:52] <len-1304> I can't get cdrdao once to build even, but I am not using the package from ubuntu or debian.
[13:53] <len-1304> I am using the tarball
[13:53] <len-1304> The needed libs for gcdmaster are still in repo BY the way.
[14:47] <len-1304> zequence, cdrecord does do some DAO recording (the cdrkit page on the other hand just says it is a fork but has almost no documentation at all) using .cue files
[14:48] <len-1304> I do not know if cue files allow all the features that .toc files allow... or for that matter if ardour uses all the features cdrdao provides
[15:01] <zequence> len-1304: I just applied for Debian Multimedia Team membership
[15:02] <len-1304> OK, I thought you had already :) good
[15:03] <zequence> I was waiting. Was going to work on bug fixing and such first, but it seemed like now was a good time as my packaging skills have improved that much
[15:04] <zequence> I'll be taking over maintenance for cdrdao and maybe gcdmaster as well
[15:04] <len-1304> They are both the saem package.
[15:04] <zequence> to begin with
[15:04] <zequence> They are not
[15:05] <zequence> Not in Debian, anyway
[15:05] <zequence> ah, no
[15:05] <zequence> I see
[15:05] <zequence> I never checked the source package
[15:13] <zequence> Made a mistake about cdrdao. Not considered a multimedia package. There's one team that deals with cdr-tools, and is a fairly small team
[15:14] <len-1304> Just reading the cdrtools (the cdrecord page)
[15:14] <len-1304> It appears that cdrkit is also unmaintained
[15:15] <len-1304> My look at the cdrkit page seems to confirm that
[15:15] <len-1304> cdrkit has not been touched since 2007
[15:18] <len-1304> zequence, ubuntu and debian use cdrkit. It also appears unmaintained. Soon there will be no cd writing packages :)
[15:21] <zequence> Last commit to cdrkit on Debian was 2010
[15:21] <zequence> By a former Debian project lead
[15:21] <zequence> That was upstream though
[15:21] <zequence> Last debian changelog entry is 2011
[15:47] <len-1304> I was just gong by their web page
[15:48] <len-1304> The last release was old
[15:49] <len-1304> Ya 2010
[15:49] <len-1304> I'm looking at too many pages.
[15:50] <len-1304> Anyway, there are still some issues with cdrkit in some modes.
[15:51] <len-1304> It seems to work fine if the image is first written to disk, but has problems doing on the fly writing... taking a collection of files and writing them to a dvd without making an image first.
[15:51] <len-1304> k3b tries to do this by default.
[15:52] <len-1304> I am told cdrecord works this way.
[16:49] <ubuntu-studio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5658652/
[17:10] <zequence> When I added the PromptOnLogout, it worked once. then each time I tried clicking the menu i never got the menu. It would jsut logout


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[00:01] <davmor2> Riddell: You still about?
[00:04] <davmor2> Meh I'll take the deafening silence as a no then :)
[00:04] <Riddell> davmor2: hi
[00:05] <Riddell> if I'm not around, tis only because I'm busy testing installs :)
[00:05] <davmor2> Riddell: query on #u-testing about kubuntu languages
[00:05] <davmor2> heno: is testing them as that is what the re-roll was for
[00:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: is alternate testing of any use? Or are the alternate CDs standard across Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu and already thoroughly tested?
[00:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: all testing is good, although alternate's havn't changed today, desktop has (and dvd will shortly)
[00:36]  * ryanakca nods
[00:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: Desktop CDs still don't support LVM?
[00:36] <Riddell> don't think so
[00:36] <ryanakca> Alternate it is :)
[00:37]  * ryanakca just has to finish backing up 70G of homedir... *yawns*
[00:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: bonus points if you can fill in any gaps in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[00:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: will try
[01:31] <Riddell> "robustifies"  /me eyes up nixternal
[03:18] <nixternal> Riddell: robustifies? I am affraid to ask
[03:22] <Riddell> new DVD images are about to appear
[03:26] <nixternal> aren't you up a bit late?
[03:27] <nixternal> I just found a pub in Chicago too that provides irn bru :)
[03:27] <nixternal> I had bangs and smashers for dinner and a few irn bru :)
[04:39] <rgreening> mmm irn bru
[11:20] <davmor2> Riddell: aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm being attacked by light bulbs
[12:05]  * ryanakca scratches his head
[12:05] <Tm_T> davmor2: ok
[12:06] <davmor2> Tm_T: Yes now the attack of the info light bulb's is over I had about 7 all saying the same thing
[12:06] <Tm_T> lovely
[13:09] <apachelogger> davmor2: I know that feeling
[13:10] <apachelogger> so
[13:10] <apachelogger> whom may I abuse for wiki editing?
[13:10]  * apachelogger still can't login
[13:15] <Riddell> #canonical-sysadmin
[13:15] <apachelogger> they know about it
[13:41] <jjesse> morning
[13:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's with the speaker icon in your systray?
[13:44] <apachelogger> looks horrible
[13:44] <jjesse> agreed
[13:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: where?
[13:45] <Riddell> oh, corruption
[13:45] <Riddell> not sure
[13:45] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Beta/Kubuntu
[13:45] <Riddell> I get that a lot
[13:45] <apachelogger> no, I mean it looks like the KDE 3 icon
[13:46] <Riddell> that was an imcomplete upgrade
[13:46] <Riddell> we need to make gwenview and digikam live alongside
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh
[13:47]  * apachelogger is looking forward to the day the last KDE 3 package gets kicked/replaced
[13:47] <davmor2> Riddell: threaten them with a big hammer work for me :)
[13:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please take a look at bug 258606
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: okies
[13:49] <apachelogger> sebas: what is the new ETA?
[13:51] <davmor2> Strange question that I'd never thought to ask before.  On Alternate installs why is the default host name Ubuntu even on other desktop installs?
[13:52] <sebas> apachelogger: I guess somewhen late this afternoon
[13:52]  * apachelogger notes to go jogging in the evening
[13:52] <sebas> Not *my* problem :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> :P
[13:53] <apachelogger> sebas: I guess kubuntu is 100% ready
[13:53]  * sebas is 85% ready
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can't reproduce with a new user
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> I think the issue is lower level
[13:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> fiddly font DPI and resolution stuffs
[13:59] <apachelogger> font size
[14:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: people with a visiual impairment tend to increase the font size a lot
[14:01] <apachelogger> especially since the uber useless kde desktop zoom doesn't work with $mousewheel
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> meta + =
[14:01]  * apachelogger implements revision locking in neon
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> not very good usability
[14:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: exactly
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> cuz grandma knows what "meta" is
[14:02] <sebas> apachelogger: delayed again, some soname problem
[14:02] <apachelogger> well even if $user knows what meta is... it still is not handy
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> well, that too
[14:02] <apachelogger> sebas: that at least doesn't mess up my jogging schedule ;-)
[14:02]  * JontheEchidna goes to up the font size
[14:03] <apachelogger>         if revision
[14:03] <apachelogger>             cmd += " -r #{revision}"
[14:03] <apachelogger>         end
[14:03] <apachelogger> <3 ruby :D
[14:04] <sebas> apachelogger: someone screwed the sonames because of your jogging schedule.
[14:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:04] <apachelogger> omg
[14:05] <apachelogger> I shall never leave the PC anymore
[14:05] <rgreening> yeah, so which key is supposed to be Meta anyway :) (I'm grandpa)
[14:05] <ScottK-laptop> So is ark known to be broken or is it just me?
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can't reproduce with a font size bigger than that of the screenshot, which was complaining about the default font size anyway
[14:06] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: broken?
[14:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: works here with 16pt
[14:07]  * JontheEchidna ups the size moar
[14:07] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: For example if I ark [filename].tar.gz ark opens and has the name of the file with an unzip type icon on the right side, but never shows the contents of the file.
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> Same it I use file/open.
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> it/if
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> same if I click a link in Konqueror (say for a build log on LP).
[14:08] <apachelogger> well
[14:08] <apachelogger> build log is known
[14:08] <apachelogger> ark can't handle gzipped files
[14:08] <apachelogger> should work with tar.* though
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well almost all I ever use if gzipped stuff.
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> So works fine except for what I use it for then.
[14:09] <apachelogger> :S
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: still works with 16 pt
[14:10] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Doesn't work on .deb's either, so no ar files.
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, go to 32
[14:11] <ScottK-laptop> That'd be the other thing I use it for.
[14:11] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: take a look at launchpad
[14:11] <apachelogger> there was a report about .deb
[14:11] <apachelogger> upstream fixed it IIRC
[14:11]  * JontheEchidna remembers a .deb bug too
[14:11] <apachelogger> maybe only in trunk
[14:11] <apachelogger> but I think it was a simple change ot a desktop file since the ark backends can technically open .deb files
[14:11] <ScottK-laptop> Which package is ark in?
[14:12] <apachelogger> utils
[14:12] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[14:13] <apachelogger> sebas, Riddell: btw, how does one get on the KDE packager list?
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pretty much everything is too big to be usable at 32 pt
[14:14] <apachelogger> well
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: ask dirk is what I did
[14:14] <sebas> apachelogger: I guess email sysadmin
[14:14] <Riddell> yeah, sysadmin
[14:14] <apachelogger> oki, thx
[14:14] <Riddell> CC me for credibility I guess
[14:14] <apachelogger> aye
[14:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the widgets should scale with the content
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: The .deb bug is a different one than I experience.  It works in Hardy and before using command line ark [filename].deb.  Not in Intrepid.
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> well, they do, to a point
[14:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the dolphin information panel doesn't, maybe you don't notice because of dpi
[14:15] <apachelogger> certainly happens here
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> well I can hardly triage a bug I don't get :(
[14:15]  * JontheEchidna pats his dpi
[14:15] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: well, take a look at the upstream bug
[14:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should just forward it :P
[14:16] <apachelogger> I get it and the reporter does as well, which makes us 2 :P
[14:22] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I found the KDE bug for lack of gzip support and linked it to the LP bug.  It's still open.
[14:24] <ScottK-laptop> I have to think about this, but ark being useless for me may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
[14:25] <ScottK-laptop> I don't suppose there's any way Kubuntu Hardy can be made retroactively LTS?
[14:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: doubtable
[14:27] <apachelogger> next LTS could only be 10.04 anyway
[14:27] <apachelogger> but as discussed at the last meeting we are trying to provide 8.04 -> 9.04 as upgrade path
[14:28] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: OK.  I just don't see how this is going to be usable for me.
[14:28] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: ark or the upgrade path?
[14:28] <ScottK-laptop> I'll stick with it a bit longer and see, but as pretty as it is, it's significantly harder for me to use.
[14:28] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: KDE 4.1.2 in general.
[14:29] <ScottK-laptop> The biggies are ark, lack of the tooltips, and overall stability.
[14:29]  * apachelogger didn't have problems with stability TBH
[14:29] <apachelogger> but yeah, ark is missing a lot of stuff
[14:30] <ScottK-laptop> So far (and I don't know if it's Intrepid or KDE) about every other day when a sit down at my desk, my system is crashed.
[14:30] <apachelogger> I already thought about backporting the whole trunk ark, but it doesn't qualify quality-wise
[14:30] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: crashed in what way?
[14:30] <ScottK-laptop> I had one kdepim crash that I managed to report.
[14:30] <ScottK-laptop> There's a python dbus thing.
[14:31] <ScottK-laptop> Once I clicked on update rss feeds in Akrogator and X died, but I couldn't get a crash report out of it.
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> For my laptop, the stability is adequate, but not great.
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> The missing functions are much bigger.
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> I use ark a LOT in my Ubuntu work.
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> I normally have several dozen windows open and without the tooltips there is just no way to work with them.
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> ^lack of multiline taskbar hurts that too
[14:33] <apachelogger> why did that get removed anyway?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: never got reimplemented after Wigets-on-canvas
[14:33] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I don't use ark at all right now
[14:34] <apachelogger> the gzip file issue hurts too much
[14:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nice :S
[14:34] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Right.  So how do you look at build logs?
[14:34] <apachelogger> wget & gunzip & kate
[14:34]  * JontheEchidna loads them up in firefox, because it displays diff.gz's like a dream
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> konq can't do that for all it's swiss army-knifity
[14:35] <apachelogger> well
[14:35] <apachelogger> it depends on the kio slaves
[14:35] <apachelogger> and those are really bound to ark's functionallity
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> gziptext:// ?
[14:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gzip or something
[14:35] <apachelogger> bzip2 also
[14:36] <apachelogger> in KDE 3 konqui used to open such files (at least local ones) with the kio slave
[14:36] <apachelogger> until we kds'ed it to use ark :P
[14:38] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.  Build log works in Firefox.
[14:38] <apachelogger> since you both got firefox... one of you could edit https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Beta/Kubuntu :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> the menu paths are missing for everything but knetworkmanager
[14:39] <apachelogger> which is confusing
[14:39] <apachelogger> + the knetworkmanager one says kmenu ->
[14:39] <apachelogger> shoudl be application launcher ->
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> rite
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> so for adept do we want to show installer or manager?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> Adept is the only one that needs anything too
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> everything else runs automagically
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: installer
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe reorder the entries
[14:41] <apachelogger> KDE, Adept, knmw, other fancy stuff
[14:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mornfall's blog URL needs to be changed to beta2
[14:43] <apachelogger> and please prevent the camelcase autolinking
[14:43] <apachelogger> PyQt4 goes into nowhere, NetworkManager redirects like 3 times
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> how do you prevent that?
[14:44]  * JontheEchidna never figured that out
[14:44] <apachelogger> if possible the images should be float:right
[14:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dunno, rtfm :P
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna tries something
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> ha, I did it
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> insert an empty bold tag
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> in between py and qt4
[14:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: try !NetworkManager
[14:47] <apachelogger> ah
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ``NetworkManager
[14:47] <apachelogger> or
[14:47] <apachelogger> Network``Manager
[14:47]  * apachelogger finds that confusing
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> donna worry, everything's good now
[14:48] <apachelogger> To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a link, use Page``Name. (The problem with doing this is that it will prevent a simple search for the word "WikiName" from matching Wiki``Name in a page, due to the inserted characters.)
[14:48] <apachelogger> To keep a word like PageName from automatically being turned into a link, use Page``Name. (The problem with doing this is that it will prevent a simple search for the word "WikiName" from matching Wiki``Name in a page, due to the inserted characters.)
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> except I forgot to move desktop effects down
[14:48] <apachelogger> meh
[14:48] <apachelogger> You can also suppress WikiName linking by putting an exclamation mark (bang) before the WikiName, i.e. !WikiName. This is available by default, but can be disabled with the configuration option bang_meta = False. Using this method will not interfere with most searches for the escaped WikiName, with the exception of certain quoted phrases and regular expressions.
[14:49] <apachelogger> <3 <nowiki> from mediawiki :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: KDE needs an INFO URL
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> there is no 4.1.2 release page yet iirc
[14:50] <apachelogger> well
[14:50] <apachelogger> take the 4.1 one
[14:50] <apachelogger> holds more information anyway
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and I think you broke the syntax
[14:51] <apachelogger> everything from adept onwards is italic now
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:51] <apachelogger> ryanakca: who is working on a wiki theme, btw?
[15:47] <jjesse> what are the dates again for UDS Moutnain View?
[15:47] <Riddell> december
[15:48] <jjesse> is that week of 12/8?
[15:48] <Riddell> 8th to 12th
[15:48] <jjesse> cool
[15:48] <jjesse> told boss right dates
[16:01] <rgreening> have they announced yet the people who got sponsored?
[16:02] <davmor2> rgreening: 7th
[16:03] <jjesse> rgreening: nope just need to specify the weeks for my boss in case i do get the sponsorhsip
[16:03] <rgreening> oh, thought it was today for some reason
[16:03] <rgreening> lol
[16:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: 4.1.2 release tomorrow morning it seems
[16:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: we probably should go to bed early ;-)
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: very valid pov in most recent comment on bug 223412
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, saw that
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> but I really don't know what we can do
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> the dude who broke khotkeys in the first place doesn't know how to fix it without a redesign
[16:50] <apachelogger> well
[16:50] <apachelogger> it is only partly broken anyway
[16:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Perhaps that should be the KDE 4.1 theme, "well, it is only partly broken".
[16:58] <apachelogger> it is also partly broken in KDE 3.5
[16:58] <apachelogger> but I am a fan of  the theme "it is not broken, it is KDE"
[16:59] <ScottK> Right, I was thinking more broadly than that specific issue.
[17:28] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: file-roller seems not to bring in too much more in terms of Gnomish stuff than I had already and does GZIP just fine.  I think between that and debc I can likely manage.
[17:41] <ScottK-laptop> Bah.  Nevermind.  File-roller won't open it via a web link.
[17:41] <ScottK-laptop> I guess Firefox for that.
[17:49] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell and apachelogger: Given the heavy use of gzip in Debian package management, I'm thinking not having a GUI tool that does gzip is a 'bad' thing.  What would you think of adding file-roller to kubuntu-desktop to fix that?
[17:51] <Riddell> it's gtk...
[17:52] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: That's true, but we have no KDE tool and no hope of getting one before release.
[17:53] <ScottK-laptop> I think it's better to have a 'contaminated' set of packages that provides more complete functionality.
[17:53] <Riddell> ark seems to read .tar.gz files fine
[17:53] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: In Intrepid?
[17:54] <Riddell> yes
[17:54] <ScottK-laptop> Hmm.
[17:54]  * ScottK-laptop hands Riddell Bug #276236 and asks for help then.
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it opens tar.gz's fine but not diff.gz
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> or plain .gz, it seems
[17:55]  * Riddell away
[17:55] <ScottK-laptop> Right.
[17:56] <ScottK-laptop> Well if diff.gz and .gz only matter to me, I've fixed it myself locally.
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> I always installed xarchiver, KDE3, because ark was stupid back then. but then xarchiver started segfaulting on tar.gzs....
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> *even in KDE3
[17:57] <ScottK-laptop> I added firefox to the applications for gzip so I can right-click on build logs and open with firefox.
[18:00] <Jucato> Dolphin...
[18:00] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure -> Genral -> Browse through archives
[18:01]  * ScottK-laptop is allergic to fish.
[18:01] <ScottK-laptop> Actually not, I just don't particularly like Dolphin.  Konqueror works better for me.
[18:02] <Jucato> if you enable that in Dolphin, Konqueror gets it as a bonus too
[18:03] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.
[18:03]  * ScottK-laptop tries
[18:06]  * NCommander gives ScottK a shot of an epipen
[18:07] <ScottK-laptop> Jucato: Thanks.
[18:07] <Jucato> ScottK-laptop: np
[18:07] <Jucato> still doesn't solve the lack of a right-click option on archives though :(
[18:07] <ScottK-laptop> nor reading LP build logs off their web page.
[18:08] <Jucato> *sigh* ark...
[18:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  If rgreening will give me my tooltips back, I think I can live with this.
[18:08] <Jucato> which tooltips?
[18:09] <ScottK-laptop> For open applications on the task bar.
[18:09] <Jucato> aah
[18:09] <ScottK-laptop> When you've got ~25 windows open there is no way to tell what's what.
[18:10] <Jucato> right.. specially since the taskbar doesn't go to two rows atm...
[18:10] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  That makes it double plus unfun.
[18:10] <Jucato> not sure if tooltips are back in 4.2... iirc aseigo disabled them again due to some serious bugs
[18:10] <ScottK-laptop> Someone said they were and rgreening was working on a 4.1 patch.
[18:11] <Jucato> oh goodie :)
[18:11] <ScottK-laptop> Last I heard was "compiles, but doesn't work".
[18:11]  * Jucato needs one tooltip.. for the clock...
[18:11] <Jucato> timezones tooltip/balloon
[18:14] <jjesse> what is the notification mean that my language support is not complete?  english is greyed out that i can't select to install
[18:40] <ScottK> Any idea on why the card faces for kdegames card games look uneven in kde 4.1.2 (they did not in 4.0.3 and the graphics files are identical AFAICT)?
[18:46] <rgreening> ScottK: JontheEchidna and I were both working it. Though mostly Jon. I helped get past some compilation issues. I think he's real close now... \o/ tooltips.
[18:49] <ScottK> rgreening and JontheEchidna: Thanks to you both for your work on it.  It'll be a huge difference for me if we get it working.
[18:49] <rgreening> ScottK: know any python?
[18:50]  * rgreening needs to implement some file locking checks... and it stumped
[18:50]  * JontheEchidna is downloading the next round of debs to test
[18:50] <rgreening> s/it/is
[18:50] <eagles0513875> would love to help you guys out
[18:50] <eagles0513875> have no idea how to program in python
[18:50] <eagles0513875> and lectures are consuming tons of my time
[18:50] <ScottK> rgreening: I do know some python.
[18:50] <rgreening> \o\ \o| |o/ /o/ *the wave*
[18:51] <rgreening> ScottK: any idea on how I can check if a file is locked (i.e. opened by another process)
[18:51] <rgreening> basically, trying to mod update-notifier-kde to check for package db lock
[18:52] <ScottK> rgreening: opened by another process and locked are two different things.
[18:52] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:52] <rgreening> make more sense now?
[18:52] <rgreening> :)
[18:52] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:53] <rgreening> So, the notifier has some signals, displays icons and sets actions. I want to hide the icon if /var/lib/dpkg/lock is in use by a package manager and unhide it once freed.
[18:53] <rgreening> any suggestions?
[18:53] <rgreening> or some python app which may already implement this so I can scarf it
[18:54] <ScottK> Doing some looking around.
[18:54] <ScottK> I think you need something dpkg/apt specific, not generic locking.
[18:54] <rgreening> yes. if there are methods modules that exist, even better
[18:54] <rgreening> I can import them
[19:07] <ScottK> rgreening: Nothing leaps out at me.
[19:07] <rgreening> me neither.... just found something on fcntl module... may try that
[19:08] <ScottK> rgreening: The only think I can think of is to try to acquire the lock in a try statement and then assume it's locked if it fails and release it right away if it succeeds.
[19:09] <ScottK> You wouldn't want to try that at a high frequency though.
[19:09] <rgreening> hmm... true
[19:10] <rgreening> there's got to be a bettwr way...
[19:11] <ScottK> fcntl is the right module though.
[19:11] <ScottK> I checked python-apt and it didn't appear to offer anything immediately helpful.
[19:25] <ScottK> rgreening: Sorry.  No better ideas here.
[19:26] <rgreening> np... I'm trying the fcntl. Let's see if it kills my system...
[19:51] <rgreening> ScottK: I just realized, I cannot open the file to try and lock, as it requires sys privs... hrm
[19:52] <ScottK> Right.
[19:52] <ScottK> I didn't realize is ran with user privs.  I'm pretty sure there's no way to do it then because you can't even read the file.
[19:55] <rgreening> exactly. back to the drawing board.
[19:55] <rgreening> doh.. least I learned some Python in the process.
[19:55] <rgreening> hah
[19:57]  * JontheEchidna is about to throw his next try at tooltips to his ppa
[20:15] <rgreening> ScottK: I was thinking on using a system call to 'lsof', but the file access only shows up if called with admin privs. lol
[20:16] <rgreening> ScottK: So, I am left with using 'ps' and grepping for apt-get, aptitude, adept, synaptic I guess... not really very good...
[20:17] <ScottK> No.  Not good at all.
[20:23] <jjesse> is the daily current build the beta test canddiate?
[20:23] <jjesse> cause i've had no problems in my vm with it
[20:25] <ScottK> If it's the most recent one currently available, then yes.
[21:32] <ryanakca> apachelogger: nobody at the moment... poke newz2000 if you would like to help / take care of it :)
[21:38] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-beta ta da
[21:38]  * ryanakca looks
[21:39]  * ryanakca wonders if he should erase the alternate CD he burned yesterday and burn the Beta's alternate
[21:39] <ryanakca> Any changes?
[21:39] <Riddell> no
[21:39] <ryanakca> Okies, thanks
[21:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: very pretty... did you want to bring down the rest of the stories under the image, or no?
[21:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: I did that
[21:42]  * ryanakca gets a screenshot
[21:43] <Riddell> look at www-admin
[21:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: wierd... meanwhile, www.kubuntu.org shows http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kubuntu.png ..
[21:47] <Riddell> have patience, the cache will catch up
[21:47]  * ryanakca grins
[21:49] <smarter> Riddell: great, but the kmix icon on the screenshot is an oxygen icon :/
[21:51] <Riddell> smarter: is not an oxygen one
[21:51] <Riddell> smarter: is hicolour
[21:51] <Riddell> fixes welcome
[21:51] <smarter> hmm, yeah I mean crystalsvg
[21:51] <smarter> it's strange, since it uses the oxygen one on my system
[21:56] <Riddell> smarter: it didn't upgrade properly
[22:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Any idea why we have openoffice.org-evolution in the Kubuntu.Intrepid supported seed?
[22:19] <Riddell> ScottK: probably just an oversight during a merge, it won't make any difference to anything as long as its in ubuntu seeds but remove it if you want
[22:19] <ScottK> It ends up pulling a bunch of other stuff into our see too. Thanks.
[22:20] <ScottK> see/seed
[22:21] <Riddell> bed time, I feel knackered
[22:22] <ScottK> Good night.
[22:24]  * ryanakca goes in for a plunge ande reinstalls Intrepid


[09:25] <RichEd> ping highvoltage ... did you get a chance to grab a copy of the presentation ?
[12:20] <mattfletcher> hello, i have been working to set up an ubuntu-based computer lab for my local youth group. i've had limited success with ltsp, and i've now decided that because our pcs are all of reasonable spec, i'd rather run each pc separately, but with central sign-in and home directories. is this possible?
[12:26] <ogra> yes, but a lot of manual work to set up the authentication/home mounting
[12:26] <ogra> what was your prob with ltsp ?
[12:26] <ogra> (did you follow the quick install guide ?)
[01:53] <cliebow_> ogra:you familiar with installing yaboot?..such that one could use an old non-netboot imac as a client?
[01:54] <cliebow_> just easier to do an install and change the kernel ponted to?
[01:55] <ogra> cliebow, i didnt topuch ppc since edgy development ... you are surely more familiar with it than i am atm
[01:55] <cliebow_> ok 8~)
[02:51] <cliebow_> ogra:any suggestions about cardbus in intramfs? i have one open..
[02:52] <cliebow_> cat init
[02:52] <cliebow_> hmm
[03:05] <cliebow_> ltsp kernel is the stock kernel in gutsy?re pcmcia?
[03:09] <mattfletcher> ogra: hi, sorry for the massive delay, lunch got in the way! the problem is simply that the hardware we own is better suited to running as a number of fat clients. we have no one machine that fits the role of "server" well. i'm sure we'd be best off with a fat client solution. i've been looking at NIS and NFS and YP, but getting a bit baffled to be honest
[03:10] <mattfletcher> surely this is a common scenario, a school/club with a lot of old pcs, powerful enuf to run by themselves, with no high-powered server available?
[03:12] <cliebow_> mattfletcher:then just use them as fat clients seems fine doesnt it?
[03:16] <lmveloso> Hi Ogra, RichEd
[03:16] <lmveloso> How are you guys?
[03:27] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:28] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey!  How's it going?
[03:29] <mattfletcher> cliebow_: yes, but i want a centralised user list and home directories, any number of people will be using any machine
[03:30] <cliebow_> can you set up ldap?
[03:30] <cliebow_> and use it for authentication on all machines?
[03:30] <mattfletcher> that's for auth isn't it? i probably could. is that better than NIS and YP?
[03:31] <cliebow_> nis is pretty old..
[03:59] <ogra> sbalneav, dizzy ... i'm full of drugs (painkiller, antibiotics ...) but teh bad tooth is gone and i shall be fit until friday my dentist said
[04:00] <ogra> mattfletcher, nis is pretty insecure ...  go for an ldap setup :)
[04:31] <sbalneav> ogra: So, I've seen the reports on jetpipe, I'll have a look at them.  I also had a brainwave for serial support.
[04:31] <sbalneav> Rather than put a bunch of serial stuff IN jetpipe, which is nice, simple and sweet.
[04:31] <ogra> ah, right, you have some immature code i remember :)
[04:31] <sbalneav> Why not this.
[04:32] <sbalneav> stty -F ${SERIAL_DEVICE} ${SERIAL_OPTS}
[04:32] <sbalneav> jetpipe ${SERIAL_DEVICE} PORT
[04:32] <sbalneav> ? :)
[04:32] <ogra> cool
[04:32] <ogra> i was planning to put jetpipe (at least for usb) into udev rules btw
[04:32] <sbalneav> I'll poke around with it today.
[04:33] <ogra> indeed for serial that wouldnt work
[04:33] <ogra> (no udev detection)
[04:33] <sbalneav> putting it in udev?
[04:33] <sbalneav> Why not?
[04:33] <sbalneav> ah
[04:33] <sbalneav> yeah
[04:33] <sbalneav> duh
[04:33] <ogra> the kernel wont send a plug event there i think
[04:33] <ogra> same as with serial mice
[04:34] <sbalneav> You know you have a serial port, but no way to tell if a printers attached to it :)
[04:34] <ogra> for serial and parallel we'll still need lts.conf
[04:34] <sbalneav> Sure.
[04:34] <sbalneav> That's acceptible
[04:34] <ogra> right
[04:35] <sbalneav> Oh, BTW, I got autologin going the other day on ldm2, and password expiry's about 3/4 done.
[04:35] <sbalneav> the autologin's in my tree
[04:36] <ogra> cool
[04:36] <ogra> well, it works in the gutsy tree :)
[04:36] <ogra> but thats hacked up indeed :)
[04:36] <ogra> and old code
[04:37] <ogra> sadly i missed the freeze date (thank you tooth !) so it has to wait until after tribe release
[04:46] <Shadow31> Hello
[04:51] <Shadow31> I've been having some trouble with a edubuntu server. I'm trying to install 7.04 (amd64 version) on the server, but the 'install' step fails at 6% every time.
[05:15] <sbalneav> brb
[05:22] <sbalneav> Back
[05:22] <cliebow_> Side
[05:22] <cliebow_> ltsp by the sea..held on the "Backside" of mdi
[05:32] <Shadow31> I've been having some trouble with a edubuntu server. I'm trying to install 7.04 (amd64 version) on the server, but the 'install' step fails at 6% every time. Any ideas?
[05:32] <sbalneav> Shadow31: Have you checked the md5sum of the cdimage you burned?
[05:33] <Shadow31> Yes. The md5sum checks out. I've downloaded it several time from several different mirrors and burned it several times. It always fails on the same error.
[05:35] <sbalneav> Same error?  Or same spot?
[05:35] <sbalneav> If there's an error message, what is it?
[05:37] <sbalneav> Have you looked on any of the other consoles, to see if there's any errors?
[05:37] <sbalneav> ctl-alt-f1 through f9, I beleive
[05:37] <Shadow31> In the last few lines it says 'Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 308749', then it fails to retrieve pool/main/t/ttf-kochi-gothic_1.0.20030809-4ubuntu2_all.deb, saying there is a md5sum mismatch. Then  it says it failed to get some archives, and finally it says 'tasksel: aptitude failed (100)', then 'Warning **: Configuing '
[05:38] <Shadow31> sorry, accidently pressed enter. The last line is 'Warning **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1'
[05:39] <Shadow31> This is all on the fourth console, alt-f4
[05:48] <sbalneav> Sounds like a read error on the cdrom
[05:48] <sbalneav> Are you burning it on one cdrom drive, and then reading it on a different one?
[05:49] <sbalneav> You might want to try a different drive, or sometimes I find that switching brands of writable cd's helps.
[05:49] <jsgotangco> hey sbalneav
[05:49] <sbalneav> Hello jsgotangco
[05:51] <Shadow31> Hmmm. I could try a different brand of cd. The edubuntu installer, though, can't seem to handle an external CD drive.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Which, a USB drive?
[05:51] <Shadow31> Yes
[05:51] <sbalneav> Should, that's how I install.
[05:51] <Shadow31> Interesting, when I tried the external drive it wouldn't mount.
[05:54] <Shadow31> I'm burning the cd on another computer and then reading in on the servers internal cd drive.
[06:57] <Athanasius> hey sbalneav!
[09:45] <mselva> hello, world.
[10:00] <sbalneav> ogra: Still awake?
[11:07] <davmor2> ogra:  I'm testing the first batch of edubuntu iso's 32bit doesn't auto login on live cd
[11:12] <davmor2> anyone know the username and password for the livecd?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> davmor2: it doesn't have one
[12:00] <Burgundavia> the username is ubuntu
[12:01] <davmor2> sorted thanks
[12:01] <davmor2> stgraber to the rescue :)
[12:02] <stgraber> hehe
[12:03] <davmor2> Burgundavia: is it the xclient script that is meant to log it in automatically or is sys/admin/login window meant to be setup as auto login?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> davmor2: for that, I have no idea
[12:04] <davmor2> never mind sort it out tomorrow now need to test on this machine so bye and thanks for the help