[00:04] <pc-illiterate> hey guys. its me again :(
[00:05] <pc-illiterate> hey odd-rationale....still wanna help me ?
[00:05] <pc-illiterate> lol
[00:07] <pc-illiterate> actually if anyone can tell me why i get a black screen after booting into xubuntu ?
[00:08] <pc-illiterate> brand new install, i dont know whats goin on
[00:16] <pc-illiterate> no help huh ?
[00:17] <j1mc> hi pc-illiterate
[00:18] <pc-illiterate> hi j1mc
[00:18] <j1mc> do you have a question?
[00:18] <pc-illiterate> yep
[00:18] <j1mc> i just joined the channel - what is your question?
[00:18] <pc-illiterate> i get a black screen on boot up. brand new install
[00:19] <j1mc> no text at all?
[00:19] <pc-illiterate> nope
[00:20] <j1mc> if you press ctrl-alt-f3, what happens?
[00:20] <pc-illiterate> after the progress bar screen...i get a black screen
[00:20] <j1mc> did the install complete successfully?
[00:20] <pc-illiterate> never tried
[00:20] <pc-illiterate>  i just got done taking an hour to install
[00:21] <pc-illiterate> as far as i know it fully installed. it wanted to reboot
[00:21] <j1mc> ok
[00:22] <pc-illiterate> what does ctrl+alt+f3 do ?
[00:23] <j1mc> it gets you to runlevel 3 (which is a terminal) vs. runlevel 7, which is the full graphical environment.
[00:25] <pc-illiterate> dude, i know nothing of linux. the install was my introduction here today
[00:26] <j1mc> it's ok.  i was just trying to explain that pressing those keys would get you to a terminal vs. all of the graphics and stuff.  :)
[00:26] <j1mc> i wanted to see if anything was even available from a terminal.
[00:27] <pc-illiterate> oh. ok
[00:27] <j1mc> do you know what version of xubuntu you were trying to install?
[00:28] <pc-illiterate> 7.10 ?
[00:28] <pc-illiterate> yep. 7.10
[00:28] <j1mc> ok
[00:29] <j1mc> what kind of computer do you have?  and do you know what kind of graphics card you have?
[00:29] <Seeeb> anyone knows why my cpu has 95% activity? http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotsm4.png  => what are mount.fs and gam_server and why does Thunar need so much resources?
[00:29] <pc-illiterate> lol. hell yes i do.
[00:29] <pc-illiterate>  i type slow gimmee a sec
[00:31] <pc-illiterate> 1ghz celeron , 256 ram , gforce4 mx440se 64m gfx card ,
[00:31] <j1mc> are you on that computer right now, or are you on a different computer?
[00:31] <Seeeb> iam on it
[00:31] <Seeeb> it is core 2 duo 1.83
[00:32] <Seeeb> 1gig ram
[00:32] <Seeeb> etc
[00:32] <Seeeb> if i close thunar, everything is ok again
[00:32] <pc-illiterate> same one
[00:32] <Seeeb> 5% cpu activity - but if i open it up
[00:32] <Seeeb> its 100% again
[00:32] <j1mc> Seeeb: sorry, i was writing to pc-illiterate
[00:33] <j1mc> um, Seeeb ... i don't know if i can answer your question.  :[
[00:33] <Seeeb> ah :f
[00:33] <j1mc> Seeeb: maybe try in #xfce?
[00:33] <Seeeb> ok thx
[00:33] <j1mc> yw
[00:33] <j1mc> pc-illiterate: you are dual-booting then?
[00:34] <pc-illiterate> yep
[00:34] <pc-illiterate> i'll tell ya what though...i get i think 3 options for booting into xubuntu
[00:35] <j1mc> well, we would need to boot into xubuntu to get the information necessary to see what is going on.
[00:35] <j1mc> and i need to go soon.
[00:35] <pc-illiterate> ok...what info you want ?
[00:36] <j1mc> i need to see if you can get into a terminal at all (ctrl-alt-f3) and then what your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file says.
[00:36] <pc-illiterate> ok
[00:37] <pc-illiterate> brb in a few
[00:37] <j1mc> ok
[00:44] <Seeeb> is it possible to set my xubuntu that way, that i have just to singleclick on files on the desktop to open them ?
[00:44] <Seeeb> i just found out how to do that in thunar
[00:44] <Seeeb> just = only ;)
[00:46] <j1mc> Seeeb: i can't find a setting to do that other than in thunar.  :(
[01:01] <pc-illiterate> crap...need some help if someone has patience
[01:02] <vidd> ask away
[01:02] <rico> guys, i forgot the keys to press to shrink my window size (from the bottom) can someone reload my memory?
[01:03] <pc-illiterate> ok...black screen after progress bar after boot
[01:03] <vidd> what version?
[01:03] <rico> can't get to the bottom of update screen to buttons
[01:04] <pc-illiterate> recovery mode... it runs thru and stops after root@ubuntumypc:"#
[01:04] <vidd> pc-illiterate, no...gutsy? hardy? feisty?
[01:05] <pc-illiterate> oh thats was for me lol. i look at keyboard to type...gutsy is 7.10 right ?
[01:05] <vidd> yes
[01:05] <pc-illiterate> ok then..
[01:05] <vidd> fresh install? upgrade?
[01:05] <pc-illiterate> brand new install
[01:06] <vidd> how many display adapters?
[01:06] <pc-illiterate> on board and gforce4 mx440se
[01:07] <vidd> rico update screen? for display resolution?
[01:07] <pc-illiterate> using gforce...1024 x 768 32
[01:07] <vidd> pc-illiterate, plug your monitor in the other jack (or a second monitor)
[01:08] <pc-illiterate> i tried that...black screen or colored snow
[01:09] <vidd> pc-illiterate, two monitors?
[01:09] <pc-illiterate> just 1
[01:10] <vidd> switch the plug to the other display adapter and reboot
[01:10] <pc-illiterate> ok...i'll give it a shot
[01:11] <pc-illiterate> brb i guess
[01:11] <vidd> rico...still there?
[01:13] <rico> vidd, ya, just got back
[01:14] <vidd> your issue...what screen do you need to update?
[01:14] <rico> vidd, i'm on a box i gave to a friend, and can't get any better screen res than 640.  no other options available on the screen mgr
[01:15] <rico> i was trying to run update mgr but the window stretches below the bottom of my screen so i can't get to the 'install' button
[01:16] <rico> i rember someone telling me a mouseless trick to shrink window, but i forgot which keys
[01:16] <vidd> have you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:16]  * vidd dont recall the shortcut
[01:17] <rico> guess the other option is cli update, would that be sudo apt-get update?
[01:18] <vidd> depends on what you are trying to do
[01:18] <rico> i just want to install recommended updates
[01:18] <rico> he has 56 pending cause hasn't kept up with them
[01:19] <vidd> then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:19] <rico> why dist-upgrade?
[01:20] <rico> already running gutsy
[01:20] <vidd> update refreshes the apt-cache and dist-upgrade updates all programs
[01:21] <rico> oh, k
[01:22] <rico> how can i force close update manager?
[01:22] <rico> terminal won't work i guess because update mgr open but it won't close
[01:23] <vidd> [alt]+[F4]
[01:24] <rico> that wants to disconnect me from chatzilla, can't i just close the update mgr?
[01:24] <vidd> you need to have the update mgr in the front
[01:24] <rico> oh, k, lemme try
[01:26] <rico> nope, still won't close; do i have to reboot?
[01:37] <pc-illiterate> didnt work.  get a black screen on the onboard....
[01:38] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Hey, I was away. sorry. What is happening?
[01:38] <vidd> does [ctrl]+[alt]+[F1] bring up a terminal?
[01:38] <pc-illiterate> i cant get anything but a black screen after booting
[01:39] <pc-illiterate> i was told f3 not f1
[01:39] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: What are you using? the LiveCD of the alternative install CD?
[01:39] <Odd-rationale> *or
[01:39] <pc-illiterate> altern and installed fine as far as i know
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: But when you boot up, just black screen?
[01:40] <pc-illiterate> i tried booting into recovery mode but it just dies i think
[01:40] <pc-illiterate> yep...after progress bar , black screen
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: No text anywhere?
[01:40] <pc-illiterate> nope
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Try what vidd said: ctrl+alt+f1
[01:41] <pc-illiterate> i hit ctrl+alt+f3 and get a blinking cursor that accepts no input
[01:41] <pc-illiterate> what do i type into the terminal ? i told you im dumb on this l;ol
[01:42] <vidd> then switch to ctrl+alt+F8
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Do you get a terminal that asks for your login?
[01:42] <pc-illiterate> nope
[01:42] <vidd> Odd-rationale, his boot is stalling
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> vidd: I can tell.
[01:42] <pc-illiterate> that sounds right
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> vidd: But at which process? is that what we need to find out?
[01:43] <pc-illiterate> i tried clearing everything like prefetch files and stuff when i shut down windows too
[01:43] <vidd> pc-illiterate, after you ctl+alt+f3....ctl+alt+F8
[01:43] <pc-illiterate> ok...
[01:43] <vidd> this should bring up where in the boot process your stuck
[01:44] <pc-illiterate> write that down and come back ?
[01:44] <vidd> wait
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Could you post the last line?
[01:44] <pc-illiterate> im here
[01:44] <pc-illiterate> sure
[01:44] <pc-illiterate>  you mean after f8 right ?
[01:44] <vidd> did you install windows first or linux first?
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Yes. after
[01:45] <pc-illiterate> windows on master first, linux on slave after
[01:46] <vidd> ok...reboot and let us know what the last line is....and what specs of your machine (mem on slave and ram)
[01:47] <pc-illiterate> meme on slave ?
[01:47] <pc-illiterate> oops. mem on slave ?
[01:48] <vidd> hard drive space
[01:48] <pc-illiterate> specs...1ghz celeron 256 ram
[01:48] <pc-illiterate> total is 20 gig reformatted tonight
[01:49] <vidd> all on the slave drive?
[01:50] <pc-illiterate> yes. 20 gig slave 60 gig master grub on master...
[01:50] <vidd> ok.... let us know where it stalls
[01:50] <pc-illiterate> ok...be back
[01:52] <Odd-rationale> I'll be out for a while. be back later...
[02:02] <schmichael> anybody know why xubuntu 7.10 wouldn't be able to join my wlan even though it appears to properly detect my Prism2.5 wifi adapter?
[02:03] <vidd> what does lspci (or lsusb) detect the wifi as?
[02:03] <schmichael> wifi0 and wlan0 show up in ifconfig -a, network manager detects my network, but it can't seem to join
[02:03] <schmichael> vidd: Prism2.5
[02:03] <schmichael> Intersil Corp Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset rev 01
[02:04] <schmichael> sorry if i shorten things, i can't exactly paste into irc from that laptop :)
[02:04] <schmichael> i'm working from my desktop which is debian sid and uses madwifi
[02:04] <schmichael> i thought ubuntu 7.10 "just worked" with my laptop, but i just installed xubuntu over it and its obviously not just working
[02:05] <vidd> did you use ndiswrapper or a native driver?
[02:06] <schmichael> i've never used ndiswrapper before in my life so i guess native
[02:06] <pc-illiterate> grrrr
[02:07] <schmichael> i get lots of noise in /var/log/syslog... anything in particular i should look for?
[02:07] <pc-illiterate> nadda. nothing. zip. zilch
[02:08] <vidd> schmichael, do you use nm-applet?
[02:08] <schmichael> i'm seeing hfa384x_set_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS_WRITE failed (res=127, rid=fc48, len=2)
[02:08] <schmichael> yes
[02:08] <schmichael> completely default install
[02:08] <schmichael> from the alternate cd
[02:08] <schmichael> "Association failed" shows up a lot
[02:09] <vidd> nm-applet isnt part of the default install...is it?
[02:09] <schmichael> must be
[02:09] <schmichael> nm-applet 0.6.5
[02:09] <schmichael> i just ran through the alternate cd installer
[02:09] <schmichael> haven't changed a thing yet
[02:10] <schmichael> nm-applet is showing my wlan
[02:10] <schmichael> and my wlan's MAC is showing up in syslog
[02:11] <vidd> did you verify that the authentication was entered correctly?
[02:12] <schmichael> don't tell anyone, but i have an open wlan ;)
[02:12] <schmichael> i just use MAC filtering
[02:12] <vidd> ah!
[02:13] <vidd> turn off the mac filtering for a bit...see if that lets your system connect
[02:13] <schmichael> good call
[02:15] <schmichael> same thing
[02:15] <schmichael> i'm running tomato firmware and its logs don't show a thing
[02:15] <schmichael> although the only client related data it really logs is dhcp reqs
[02:16] <vidd> pc-illiterate, so you have rebooted an hit ctrl+alt+f3, got the blinking cursor, hit ctrl+alt+f8 and it shows nothing?
[02:16] <vidd> schmichael, is your system using static or dhcp?
[02:17] <pc-illiterate> nope. no cursor. that was in recovery
[02:17] <schmichael> dhcp
[02:17] <pc-illiterate> im a lil busy at this second guys. i'll be right back
[02:17] <jusama14> I want to dualboot xubuntu and Xp...I already have xubuntu installed and do not wish to remove it. Is there a way to dualboot it with XP?
[02:17] <jusama14> w/out starting with  XP first.
[02:17] <schmichael> jusama14: i'm doing it
[02:17] <schmichael> oh
[02:18] <schmichael> i started with xp first
[02:18] <vidd> jusama14, yes....
[02:18] <vidd> its a massive PITA
[02:18] <jusama14> vidd, what steps would I take?
[02:19] <schmichael> don't you have to boot from a linux cd and overwrite the mbr somehow?
[02:19] <vidd> i never bothered to read the instructions
[02:20] <rico> vidd, u still here?
[02:20] <vidd> rico, yeah
[02:21] <rico> just finished doing the update and dist-upgrrade, i was hoping that might fix my screen res problem, but screen manager still only offering 640 resolution... could it be that this monitor doesn't go any better than that?
[02:22] <rico> i noticed there was a xorg update and gnome display mgr update in the process, but still no change
[02:23] <vidd> you want to get to a tty and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:23] <rico> tty, you mean terminal, right?
[02:24] <vidd> no...a tty .... [ctrl]+[alt]+[F1]
[02:24] <rico> k, lemme try it
[02:26] <gerro> hello
[02:26] <vidd> hello gerro
[02:26] <RESmonkey> hello everyone
[02:27] <gerro> vidd: hey vidd long time no see, you doing okay?
[02:27] <vidd> yeah...im back from hiatus with the community =]
[02:28] <schmichael> welcome back!
[02:28] <schmichael> get this... nm-applet is now showing 2 bars like its connected
[02:28] <gerro> never been there.. with the community? was it one of those ubuntu gatherings I've heard about?
[02:28] <schmichael> it says the speed is 2Mb/s
[02:28] <schmichael> but no IP
[02:28] <schmichael> the driver is hostap_pci
[02:29] <gerro> schmichael: what card you working with?
[02:29] <vidd> schmichael, i dont use nm-applett .... i prefer to hard code my /etc/network/interfaces
[02:30] <schmichael> gerro: Intersil Corp Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset rev 01
[02:30] <schmichael> i'm going to pycon in a couple of days, so it'd be nice to have easy roaming support
[02:30] <gerro> yeah that works best usually entering the info in yourself
[02:30] <schmichael> but i'd settle for poking at /etc/network/interfaces
[02:30] <rico> vidd, uhhhh, that one threw me
[02:31] <vidd> rico?
[02:31] <vidd> threw you?
[02:31] <gerro> schmichael: never used one those prism cards but here they're quite nice, probably needs custom drivers or something?
[02:31] <rico> had copy/pasted the tty command you said but when went to tty of course i could not paste
[02:32] <schmichael> gerro: i had plain old ubuntu (i think 7.10) installed before and don't remember doing anything special
[02:32] <gerro> schmichael: lshw doesn't say its disabled right?
[02:32] <rico> can you give me the command again and tell me what to expect
[02:33] <schmichael> lol
[02:33] <vidd> rico, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserv-xorg
[02:33] <schmichael> gerro: DISABLED
[02:33] <gerro> schmichael: oh you using 8.04? I haven't had a chance to try it :(
[02:33] <schmichael> 7.10
[02:33] <rico> control/alt/f1?
[02:33] <vidd> yes
[02:34] <vidd> dont hit enter until you verify it is right
[02:34] <gerro> schmichael: it does say disabled for that device under lshw? then there isn't a suitable driver found
[02:34] <schmichael> oh
[02:34] <schmichael> huh
[02:34] <rico> verify the command is properly written you mean?
[02:34] <vidd> yes
[02:35] <rico> what will happen, how will i get back out of the tty1?
[02:35] <vidd> it will kill your x session
[02:35] <gerro> rico: ctrl alt f7 to get out of it
[02:35] <gerro> rico: or ctrl alt backspace to start a new x session
[02:35] <dezrik> hello im having problems with nm-applet
[02:36] <rico> vidd and gerro, so i am ready to goto tty1?
[02:37] <gerro> rico: I got no clue what your doing just how to use ttys >,>
[02:37] <vidd> gerro, he's reconfiguring x
[02:38] <gerro> vidd: why can't he press esc at boot and do nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf then set it up or if its completely trashed then do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:38] <rico> i'm guessing i'll be knocked off the chat, see you when i get back i guess
[02:38] <vidd> rico go to tty, typt the command....then comeback b4 hitting enter
[02:38] <schmichael> ha, it seems i blogged about ubuntu 7.04 not detecting my wifi in this laptop: http://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/2007/04/16/installing-ubuntu-704-feisty-fawn-on-an-ibm-thinkpad-t30/
[02:38] <schmichael> how the hell did i get 7.10 working...
[02:39] <rico> ok, so to comeback i will do control/alt/f7?
[02:39] <vidd> yes
[02:39] <rico> ok, lemme try
[02:40] <gerro> shouldn't he do stop on gdm?
[02:40] <gerro> and if so then would ctrl alt f7 work?
[02:40] <vidd> you dont have to stop x to reconfig it...
[02:41] <gerro> if you use auto detection stuff it tends to get better results if you do
[02:41] <rico> ok, i'm back.  tty asked me for user/password then command prompt, then i entered: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserv-xorg
[02:41] <vidd> it willstop it and restart it
[02:41] <gerro> if he knows already what to put minds well edit xorg.conf directly from any mode long as your root
[02:41] <vidd> you want to walk him through that?
[02:42] <vidd> i always mess it up that way
[02:42] <gerro> heck no I'm just saying some people are picky and I don't understand rofl
[02:42] <rico> so guys am i ready to go back and hit enter?
[02:42] <vidd> what will happen is this.....
[02:43] <gerro> vidd: why not rm xorg.conf?
[02:43] <vidd> huh?
[02:43] <gerro> wouldn't that cause it to generate a default one?
[02:43] <gerro> or crash and die?
[02:43] <rico> we no like crash and die
[02:43] <vidd> methinks it crash and diw
[02:43] <gerro> rico: you'd still have command prompt to fix it :P
[02:44] <dezrik> im having trouble with nm-applet is there another Network Configuration tool?
[02:44] <vidd> but no chat to get instructions
[02:44] <gerro> dezrik: yeah umm try wifi scanner
[02:44] <rico> ya, scarry
[02:44] <rico> vidd, i guess i'm ready to try your way.  you were about to tell me what would happen
[02:45] <gerro> dezrik: ah darn that's not the right name for it.. I just use kismet usually
[02:45] <vidd> it will bring up a type of wizard
[02:45] <gerro> rico: how did xorg mess up anyway and are you at all able to enter a graphical mode?
[02:46] <rico> yes i have graphical, but only 640 screenres is driving me nuts
[02:46] <gerro> rico: then don't go reconfiguring xorg lol
[02:47] <vidd> you will mostly accept the defaulttill it talks about display
[02:47] <gerro> rico: sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit the resolution your monitor supports and its refresh rates
[02:47] <rico> don't know why gutsy din't do all this on install, it's sposed to i thought
[02:48] <gerro> rico: yeah it does but your monitor might not be listed or its unsure of what to put because of the type of graphics card its using
[02:48] <rico> vidd, ok, i will mostly accept the default untill display, and then what?
[02:48] <gerro> rico: there also this command ddcprobe to list info about your monitor like colors it supports and refresh rate
[02:48] <rico> gerro, ya, this monitor is a Hansol, never heard of it b4
[02:48] <vidd> rico, follow gerro advice first
[02:49] <gerro> vidd: did you tell him to make a backup file before reconfiguring I mean it still partially works
[02:49] <vidd> not yet
[02:49] <rico> guys, would i be better off switching out monitors?  i have some others downstairs
[02:50] <rico> less risky?
[02:50] <gerro> rico: wouldn't work, you need to edit the settings
[02:50] <gerro> rico: and if you specify it exactly to your monitor it won't use any "safe defaults" and perform better
[02:50] <rico> omg.  ok, so where are we
[02:51] <rico> i don't know if i will muff this up if too complicated.  i not so smart.
[02:51] <gerro> rico: where do you feel comfortable command prompt or gui?
[02:51] <rico> gui, naturally, but if i have a helper i can muddle thru command line
[02:52] <gerro> rico: then get to gui and quit calling me a helper :D
[02:52] <rico> teacher, then?
[02:53] <rico> what do you mean gete to gui?
[02:53] <gerro> just press ctrl alt f7
[02:53] <gerro> your back at desktop then right?
[02:54] <rico> yes, i'm on desktop now using chatzilla
[02:54] <gerro> can you open a terminal? or press alt f2 and enter xfce4-terminal if thats too hard big to read enter xterm
[02:54] <rico> do i have to 'close' the tty?
[02:55] <gerro> not really
[02:55] <gerro> it takes very minor kb of memory
[02:55] <rico> ok, opening terminal now
[02:55] <gerro> then sudo su and enter your root pass since we doing some systems stuff
[02:56] <rico> what do you mean sudo su?
[02:56] <rico> that is whole command?
[02:56] <gerro> mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you want a pretty text editor or nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you prefer command line one (don't do if you did xterm because can't copy/paste)
[02:57] <gerro> yes its whole command
[02:57] <gerro> sudo= do as root su= become super user
[02:58] <rico> so, simply 'sudo su'?
[02:58] <gerro> yeah
[02:58] <rico> k, i am superuser
[02:59] <rico> now, mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ?
[02:59] <gerro> you opened up the file with mousepad or nano?
[02:59]  * vidd needs to rack out
[02:59] <rico> thanks vidd
[03:00] <vidd> good luck
[03:00] <gerro> yeah
[03:00] <rico> gerro, i din't open anything but terminal 'sudo su'
[03:00] <gerro> the terminal can open everything else
[03:00] <rico> k, so what next
[03:01] <gerro> scroll down you will see a line about your resolution
[03:01] <gerro> just put in there for the largest one it lists whatever you think your monitor will support
[03:01] <gerro> take into consideration if your graphics card can keep up with your monitor (usually they can quite well)
[03:02] <rico> no, i don't have any output there yet ... is this where i do 'mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf'?
[03:02] <gerro> you do that inside the terminal you did sudo su in
[03:02] <rico> now?
[03:02] <gerro> yeah
[03:02] <rico> k
[03:03] <rico> mousepad not installed says i can install it. do it now?
[03:03] <rico> as superuser?
[03:03] <gerro> no
[03:03] <gerro> which ubuntu distribution are you using?
[03:03] <gerro> try gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf instead then
[03:04] <rico> using gutsy 7.10
[03:04] <gerro> not xubuntu though right?
[03:05] <acaceol> Is anyone here? I have a problem with Synaptic.
[03:05] <rico> no, ubuntu
[03:05] <acaceol> What?
[03:05] <gerro> rico: yeah ubuntu comes with gedit installed just try that pretty much samet hing
[03:05] <acaceol> Oh, different conversation.
[03:06] <rico> gerro, ok, so what's my command then?
[03:06] <gerro> acaceol: sup, what's the problem?
[03:06] <acaceol> I have a broken package, and I can't fix it, and I can't remove it.
[03:07] <gerro> rico: your opening gedit a text editor to the location /etc/X11/ for the file xorg.conf so 'gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' X11 being your graphics stuff and etc being your config files
[03:07] <acaceol> And when I try to get anything else, it says that I have a broken package and it won't let me install.
[03:08] <gerro> acaceol: try apt-get autoremove and apt-get clean
[03:08] <rico> k, so : gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?
[03:08] <gerro> acaceol: that removes packages that have issues and cleans out older .debs incase you some how messed up a packages installer
[03:09] <gerro> rico: yep
[03:10] <acaceol> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[03:11] <gerro> acaceol: umm sorry when using apt-get command do sudo or do it as root
[03:11] <acaceol> I did.
[03:11] <rico> i got a gnome warning autthentication failed but it did bring up the file just the same, i'm gonna pastebin it and be right back to show you
[03:12] <gerro> ah... crap might have some problems with your repositories then acaceol
[03:12] <acaceol> /var/lib/dpkg/info/wamerican.postrm: 12: /usr/sbin/remove-default-wordlist: not found
[03:12] <gerro> acaceol: which part did it mess up at?
[03:13] <acaceol> I think the missing dependancy is the uninstaller. >.>
[03:14] <gerro> rico: authentication fails if you enter your password in wrong..
[03:15] <rico> gerro, here is the file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59325/
[03:17] <gerro> acaceol: umm I'd suggest taking that output and run synaptic from terminal to get any errors it outputs then pastebin it and perhaps post a comment on forum and/or #ubuntu
[03:17] <gerro> acaceol: if you have any other ubuntu systems you could grab those files from and hope it starts working again?
[03:18] <gerro> rico: alright which graphics card and monitor exactly models and what does lspci list for your graphics card line
[03:20] <acaceol> I don't, sadly
[03:20] <rico> gerro omg i don't know.
[03:20] <rico> how do i find out
[03:20] <gerro> acaceol: maybe another box you could install ubuntu to virtualbox or run copy of wubi and get the info?
[03:21] <gerro> acaceol: give me the names of files you need and I'll see if I got a copy if you want
[03:22] <acaceol> Apparently I need /usr/sbin/remove-default-wordlist
[03:22] <gerro> rico: just do lspci and pastebin it
[03:22] <gerro> rico: pastebin all it says should list that
[03:22] <gerro> rico: lshw lists lot of hardware info too but its very indepth
[03:23] <acaceol> If you get wamerican then you should have the file, but I wouldn't want you to mess up your computer, too
[03:23] <gerro> heck if you could pastebin ddcprobe too it would help think you have to 'apt-get install xresprobe' package
[03:23] <gerro> acaceol: wouldn't mess up anything just copying stuff
[03:24] <rico> gerro: nothing happens after i do lspci: (gedit:5833): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:24] <rico> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[03:24] <rico> lspci
[03:24] <gerro> rico: hold ctrl then press c in the terminal
[03:25] <gerro> rico: that will cut off any thing its currently telling you about if it hasn't ended already
[03:26] <gerro> acaceol: hmm /var/lib/dpkg/info/wamerican.* right?
[03:27] <rico> gerro, ok, here's what i got: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59326/
[03:30] <acaceol> Yeah, I think
[03:30] <acaceol> I have .config, .list, .md5sums, .postinst, .postrm, and .templates
[03:31] <gerro> rico: do "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati'
[03:32] <rico> as superuser still?
[03:32] <gerro> rico: yeah
[03:32] <gerro> that will add the video driver you need, it might already be installed
[03:33] <rico> gerro: Reading state information... Done
[03:33] <rico> xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version.
[03:33] <rico> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:34] <acaceol> This line of the sh:     /usr/sbin/remove-default-wordlist wamerican
[03:34] <rico> so it seems that it is already installed, right?  but not working?
[03:34] <acaceol> It's missing that file
[03:34] <gerro> rico: "Driver		"vesa"" where it says that in xorg.conf change vesa to radeon and remove
[03:35] <rico> gerro, what do you mean 'remove'?
[03:35] <gerro> the line where it says Virtual 640 480 then under Modes change 640x480 to something reasonable like 1024x768 change defaultdepth to 16
[03:35] <gerro> rico: sorry I pressed enter early :(
[03:36] <rico> omg, i'm confused...
[03:36] <rico> still don't know what you mean 'remove'
[03:37] <acaceol> "...change vesa to radeon and remove the line where it says..."
[03:37] <acaceol> It's one sentence
[03:37] <gerro> acaceol: I really don't know what to do and don't want to go overboard replacing things because might be hazardous
[03:37] <acaceol> I'll try removing that line and see what happens.
[03:38] <acaceol> I have the installer CD, so I don't really mind if it goes unstable or anything.
[03:38] <gerro> acaceol: basically you tried to remove some dictionary and synaptic crapped out on you.. probably some guide on how to remove unwanted dictionaries and what to do if something goes wrong
[03:38] <gerro> that's what you did right?
[03:39] <gerro> acaceol: yeah if you got any files just run livecd and copy them to a flash drive or burn to cd won't lose too much I hope
[03:39] <acaceol> Probably
[03:39] <rico> gerro, can't find the gedit, must've closed, do i just : gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  again?
[03:40] <gerro> acaceol: but I don't quite know what you did, perhaps you could check your command history for the last day or so and it will show?
[03:40] <acaceol> I don't have any files except Synaptic packages and my backround (which I made in a minute with GIMP)
[03:40] <gerro> acaceol: ah I suck pretty bad with gimp :(
[03:41] <acaceol> Heh, I just did the Plasma Shader thingy in the Effects menu
[03:41] <acaceol> Makes a nice backround
[03:41] <gerro> acaceol: is that where they get those default backgrounds?
[03:41] <acaceol> Huh?
[03:42] <gerro> acaceol: default ubuntu background looks like someone took a switch blade to an lcd monitor >,>
[03:42] <acaceol> Heh, I don't think so
[03:42] <gerro> well I sorta broke my laptop screen and it looks kinda similar.. except the blops of dark dead pixels :(
[03:42] <acaceol> I broke one of mine, too...
[03:43] <gerro> did it have a webcam by the monitor?
[03:43] <acaceol> Sucks, it was a Compaq from a long time ago.
[03:43] <acaceol> No, heh
[03:43] <acaceol> It didn't have a CD drive
[03:43] <acaceol> I don't think...
[03:43] <gerro> well mine broke from the webcam downward spiderweb sorta crach think casing is weak there
[03:44] <acaceol> Huh.
[03:44] <gerro> acaceol: sooo lucky none those primitive cd drives :/
[03:44] <gerro> crack I mean like in the monitor part
[03:45] <acaceol> I mean like something hit the screen and the glass in front of the LCD shattered
[03:45] <acaceol> When I boot it up, it looks like a rainbow in a taffy puller
[03:46] <gerro> I tend to skip a lot of minor words when typing, think I'm going crazy or english language is too bulky...
[03:46] <acaceol> Probably the latter; maybe both :p
[03:47] <gerro> heck if I care what you think :P (notice I didn't say I)
[03:47] <gerro> maybe some form of unconcious doublethink stuff going on..
[03:48] <acaceol> Erm, you did say "I".
[03:48] <acaceol> ...:/
[03:48] <gerro> think I'm going crazy was no I
[03:49] <acaceol> What other language do you know?
[03:49] <gerro> acacceol: any ideas how to fix synaptic so far?
[03:49] <gerro> acaceol: I know ingles
[03:49] <acaceol> Re-installation, nothing besides that
[03:51] <acaceol> Can I just delete everything manually?
[03:51] <acaceol> >.>
[03:51] <rico> gerro do i change vesa to radeon under 'boardname' as well?
[03:51] <acaceol> Like, delete the file that tells Synaptic it exists?
[03:51] <acaceol> (Or remove that line if it's in a big file)
[03:51] <gerro> acaceol: heck yeah but last time I told someone to rm on irc I got the third degree and banned from #ubuntu lol
[03:52] <rico> also, do i change default depth from 24 to 16 in both instances?  how do i save changes to file?
[03:52] <gerro> acaceol: but doesn't it have some sort of index to keep track of this stuff so deleting wouldn't help?
[03:52] <acaceol> Then I'll delete the index. I don't care anymore. >.>
[03:52] <gerro> rico: sure if you like but I don't know if that will do anything think its just like a variable for informational purposes
[03:52] <acaceol> Tell me where it is, and I'll delete it
[03:52] <gerro> acaceol: I dont' know my synaptic is working :/
[03:53] <rico> gerro, so then to save and test result what do i do?
[03:53] <gerro> rico: yes both instances
[03:53] <gerro> rico: hmm might want to try it at 24 though I think some radeon have trouble going lower
[03:54] <gerro> so don't worry about changing that
[03:54] <gerro> top left click file then save then click x
[03:54] <gerro> and it should be saved
[03:54] <acaceol> Brb.
[03:55] <rico> gerro, so change 16 back to 24 again?
[03:55] <gerro> try a restart to test if it works I'm too lazy to press a bunch of buttons :D
[03:55] <gerro> yes
[03:55] <gerro> 24
[03:55] <gerro> but if that doesn't work then try 16
[03:55] <rico> ok, i go try.  wish me luck.
[03:55] <gerro> kk
[03:57] <rico> ok, made changes, still not sure how to save?
[03:57] <gerro> save like how you would save a text file
[03:57] <gerro> your editing these changes into xorg.conf directly right?
[03:58] <rico> yes, directly
[03:58] <rico> via gedit
[03:58] <rico> so just hit the save button on gedit?
[03:58] <gerro> should be pretty easy to save yeah try that
[03:59] <rico> then restart?
[04:00] <gerro> yes
[04:00] <rico> ok, see you later.  thanks for all your help.
[04:00] <gerro> rico: its getting kind of late and I have to go but there some info here http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html about what examples to put so if you don't understand what's in that file you can change it.
[04:01] <rico> is cont alt backspace good enough for restart?
[04:01] <gerro> I have no clue I usually use that for when I crash something
[04:01] <gerro> just try a full restart
[04:02] <rico> i don't have a shutdown button, i don't know why, think its related to resolution issue.  how else to restart?
[04:02] <gerro> shutdown -h 0 as root in the terminal
[04:02] <gerro> or you can click the menu and click quit
[04:33] <rico> omg.... i fixed one thing and screwed up another.  reconfigure xorg x11 conf file and now i have the various resolutions available in menu, but all of a sudden my screen has gotten way crazy, looks like interference on the screen, and i can barely read the text i'm writing.  is this a known issue ayone?
[04:34] <rico> oh, well i try again tomorrow, looks like i will need to access chat from another machine...
[05:07] <slimjimflim> anybody know where to get a list of boot times for different versions of xubuntu?
[05:15] <zoredache> sorry, what do you mean by 'boottimes'?
[05:16] <pc-illiterate> ok. i had 3 people trying to help me earlier. anyone else want to give it a shot ?
[05:17] <slimjimflim> zoredache, yes
[05:58] <pc-illiterate> can someone help me with a crashing boot ?
[05:58] <pc-illiterate> stalling boot, what ever it is
[06:02] <slimjimflim> what happens?
[06:02] <slimjimflim> any error messages?
[06:02] <pc-illiterate> i never make it to the login screen i guess
[06:02] <pc-illiterate> nope
[06:02] <pc-illiterate> just get a black screen after the progress bar
[06:03] <pc-illiterate> i hit alt+ctrl+f8 and watch where it crashes at
[06:04] <pc-illiterate> after like 8 lines past loading gnome agp? controller ?
[06:04] <pc-illiterate> anyway it is after it flips to next screen in loading
[06:08] <captine> high there.  Anyone got wifi working with wep/wpa?  Am in a Hostel in San Fran, and can view the network, but when trying to connect, it asks for some file in wifi-radar?
[06:08] <captine> anyone able to help?
[06:12] <pc-illiterate> ok...guess i'll try to find an answer before everyone wakes up
[06:17] <captine> pc-illiterate, thanks.  I have looked, but am not sure how to use wifi-radar.  also, if i need to d/l anything, must do before i reboot i.e. d/l in windows
[06:23] <pc-illiterate> lol. no captine. im having my own problems . lol
[06:27] <slimjimflim> pc-illiterate, can you switch to another tty and log in that way?
[06:27] <slimjimflim> sorry about the lag
[06:35] <meridian> no prob
[06:35] <meridian> not sure why i cannot get my own nick to work
[06:59] <slimjimflim> meridian are you logged in twice?
[07:00] <meridian> no idea
[07:00] <meridian> logged in, and think it disconnected, and auto relogged
[07:00] <meridian> think that ghost thing is happening or something
[07:02] <slimjimflim> do you have an alternate nick?
[07:02] <meridian> this is the alternate.
[07:02] <meridian> lol
[07:02] <meridian> captine is the main
[07:03] <slimjimflim> sounds like a job for #freenode ops
[07:04] <captine> lol.  np
[09:11] <CoSinecure> Hey..
[09:32] <Stryk> Hi.
[14:35] <rico_> Can someone please help me with openoffice.  I am trying to make a simple flyer for my lost dog, and i can't seem to insert picture from my desktop.
[14:40] <gabkdlly> insert -> picture -> from file
[14:43] <gabkdlly> when you open the word processor, take a look at the menu at the top of the window. Click on "Insert", then move down to "Picture", then select "From File" and you will get a dialog to help you select the file you would like to insert
[14:43] <rico_> gabkdlly: kool, thanks, i was trying drag and drop wouldn't work, now i got it. thank you thank you.
[14:47] <rico_> gabkdlly: ok, i got one picture on there, but when i try to add another it says 'filter not found', what could that mean?
[15:07] <gabkdlly> rico_: maybe that means the file format is not supported?
[15:07] <gabkdlly> you could try converting the image to a format that you know is supported, using imagemagick or the gimp
[15:10] <gabkdlly> the command to convert images is "convert input-file [options] output-file" on the command line. read up on it with "man convert"
[17:27] <tech404> can anyone tell me reasons to go swap file vs. swap partition? I don't run out of HD space but I don't think I have ever paged before either. Just seems like a waste and I wanted to hear some opinions.
[17:27] <PriceChild> tech404: you can't resume fom swap file iirc
[17:28] <PriceChild> tech404: you don't want to run out of memory though... better to have a little swap before random processes are killed to free things up.
[17:28] <PriceChild> tech404: the advantage of a swap file is its much more easily modified in terms of size
[17:28] <PriceChild> *one of
[17:28] <pc-illiterate> i need some help from a very patient person
[17:30] <tech404> pc-illiterate: typically in a setting like this you should just ask your question... not ask to ask a question
[17:30] <pc-illiterate> i tried all that last night. no one was around
[17:31] <pc-illiterate> im getting a black screen after loading progress bar
[17:31] <tech404> sometimes it is hard to find the right person but if they are on they will help
[17:31] <pc-illiterate> no login...nothing
[17:31] <pc-illiterate> odd-rationale tried yesterday but had to leave
[17:31] <pc-illiterate> actually i had a few people helping me
[17:32] <pc-illiterate> ive installed twice
[17:32] <tech404> :) well I am not an expert but I will be happy to listen
[17:32] <pc-illiterate> so my problem goes like this
[17:32] <pc-illiterate> im getting a black screen after loading progress bar
[17:33] <pc-illiterate> once the progress bar screen disappears, i get a black screen
[17:33] <tech404> so during boot you see the progress bar but after it is finished the screen goes blank and shows no login?
[17:33] <pc-illiterate> you got in
[17:33] <pc-illiterate> it*
[17:34] <tech404> have you tried using <ctrl>+<alt>+F1 to see the console or removed splash from grub?
[17:34] <pc-illiterate> yep
[17:34] <pc-illiterate> only thing that works is alt crtl delete to restart
[17:34] <tech404> can you get to the console?
[17:35] <pc-illiterate> i cant get anywhere
[17:35] <tech404> and what is the last thing it says when you remove splash in grub?
[17:35] <pc-illiterate> am i having a problem because my pc is an emachine ?
[17:35] <pc-illiterate> remove splash ?
[17:36] <tech404> when you start up the computer it says press escape to enter Grub
[17:36] <pc-illiterate> ow do i remove splash from grub ?
[17:37] <pc-illiterate> grub is the os choice screen right ?
[17:37] <tech404> correct
[17:38] <pc-illiterate> ok...i start pc it shows the emachine start-up screen then goes into grub.....so i press escape and go into grub ?
[17:38] <tech404> hold on let me look and make sure I am telling you this right... its not something I do a lot
[17:38] <pc-illiterate> this is my first ever experience with linux...its not going so well
[17:40] <tech404> Workaround to remove usplash :
[17:40] <tech404> 1. At boot, press Esc to access the boot menu.
[17:40] <tech404> 2. Choose ubuntu and the press the "e" key to edit
[17:40] <tech404> 3. With the arrow keys, go to the "kernel" line and press "e" to edit
[17:40] <tech404> 4. Remove "splash" and "quiet" from the line and press "enter"
[17:40] <tech404> 5. Press "b" to boot your computer.
[17:40] <tech404> it can be hard to get over the hump... everything completely new and different is like that :)
[17:40] <tech404> it will be worth it
[17:41] <tech404> so follow those directions and see what it does... if it freezes again see what the last couple of lines say to see if they can point us in the right direction
[17:42] <pc-illiterate> i hit f3 then f8 during boot....it makes it to login. i see that before i get the black screen
[17:43] <pc-illiterate> actually theres another line i see before the screen goes black
[17:45] <tech404> when you see the login is it a gui or cli
[17:45] <pc-illiterate> its cli i guess.
[17:45] <pc-illiterate> its like part of the run line
[17:46] <pc-illiterate>  im not anything but a clicker
[17:46] <pc-illiterate> it rolls up real fast and boom black screen really fast
[17:47] <pc-illiterate> ok...im going to go try this workaround and see exactly
[17:47] <pc-illiterate> did i choose the vid res right ?
[17:48] <pc-illiterate> i just moved the red bar to 1024x 768 32 and enter during install
[17:48] <tech404> well I don't know but Ubuntu should be able to recover from that
[17:48] <pc-illiterate> ok...i'll be back
[17:48] <tech404> well that sounds safe to me... is your screen very old?
[17:49] <pc-illiterate> monitor is about 4 1/2 years old at most
[17:49] <tech404> should be fine
[17:49] <pc-illiterate> ok....i will return
[18:06] <pc-illiterate> grrrrrrrrrr
[18:07] <pc-illiterate> are you still there tech404 ?
[18:07] <tech404> yes
[18:07] <pc-illiterate> i did that twice...last line i see is starting local boot something . then its black screen still
[18:08] <tech404> are you using the computer that is having the problem?
[18:08] <pc-illiterate> yes
[18:09] <pc-illiterate> lemme give ya specs before you ask
[18:10] <gabkdlly> pc-illiterate: what version of xubuntu did you install?
[18:10] <pc-illiterate> 1ghz celeron, 256m ram, geforce4 mx440se, master hdd 60g master with xp, slave 20g with xubuntu, emachine T1100
[18:10] <pc-illiterate> 7.10
[18:11] <pc-illiterate> i bought this pc in 2000
[18:12] <tech404> what is the model number of your computer?
[18:12] <pc-illiterate> T1100
[18:20] <tech404> ok reboot again and go into grub but this time pick the on that says (recovery mode)... then after it comes up type "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep '(EE)' "
[18:21] <tech404> that symble is a pipe it is shift \
[18:21] <tech404> symbol*
[18:21] <tech404> write down what you see and come back and tell us
[18:22] <pc-illiterate> do i put in    '(EE)'    ?
[18:23] <tech404> yes
[18:23] <pc-illiterate> and, thats after recovery mode runs right ?
[18:24] <tech404> yes... recovery mode should bring you to what looks like a old dos prompt... then you will want to type that in
[18:25] <pc-illiterate> ok because ive ran it before and ive logged in and all but it tells me i need root for everything i try
[18:26] <pc-illiterate> anyway....i'll be back
[18:26] <tech404> it should not ask you for that with this but anytime something says that and you are SURE that you want to do it just type in 'sudo' before with out the ' ' and it will ask for a password and then do as you ask
[18:27] <pc-illiterate> i tried but i couldve been typing wrong
[18:27] <pc-illiterate>  but i'll be back
[18:45] <pc-illiterate> tech: no file or directory found
[18:46] <tech404> are you in windows now?
[18:46] <pc-illiterate> yes
[18:47] <pc-illiterate> i rebooted after that
[18:48] <maxamillion> we don't support the microsoft windows operating system in the channel
[18:48] <pc-illiterate>  hit alt+ctrl+f3 then alt+ctrl+f8 and it told me 'vid disp'( ithink) erro then restarted no problem
[18:48] <pc-illiterate> hey max...shhhhh.
[18:48] <pc-illiterate> im fine
[18:48] <pc-illiterate>  we've been working on this for hours
[18:49] <^u^> ?
[18:50] <pc-illiterate> ive actually been trying to figure this out since about 3pm yesterday
[18:52] <tech404> did you use the liveCD to install?
[18:52] <pc-illiterate> alt cd
[18:52] <pc-illiterate> my pc wouldnt run live
[18:52] <tech404> how much ram to you have?
[18:53] <pc-illiterate> 256
[18:53] <tech404> ok
[18:53] <pc-illiterate> sorry about the shhhh max. im a little irriated
[18:55] <pc-illiterate> should i reinstall and use my onboard video ?
[18:57] <maxamillion> pc-illiterate: its ok, i just try to keep the channel on topic
[18:57] <tech404> you may want to try just pulling the VGA card out and plugging into the onboard and giving it another try without reinstalling
[18:57] <maxamillion> pc-illiterate: but it appears that the discussion is once again about xubuntu so i shall wander off
[18:57] <pc-illiterate> lol max. sorry again
[18:58] <maxamillion> no worries :)
[18:58] <pc-illiterate> ive tried just switching to the onboard but i get the colored snow screen
[18:58] <tech404> did you remove the other from the computer?
[18:58] <pc-illiterate> nope
[18:59] <tech404> do you feel comfortable doing that?
[18:59] <pc-illiterate> sure
[18:59] <tech404> I would give that a try.
[18:59] <pc-illiterate>  if you mean feel like its beyond my grasp....i put everything in
[19:00] <tech404> also if you can find another computer so that we can talk and troubleshoot at the same time it would be great
[19:00] <pc-illiterate> not gunna happen. im at home and this is it
[19:01] <tech404> ok pull out the other video card.. make sure that you bios settings are for onboard video and then boot up into xubuntu
[19:01] <pc-illiterate> ok. be back again
[19:46] <pc-illiterate> hey tech404 .........
[19:46] <tech404> any luck?
[19:46] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: You again! Were you *finally* able to install xubuntu?
[19:47] <pc-illiterate> yes tech..yes odd
[19:47] <pc-illiterate> it doesnt like my gfx card
[19:47] <tech404> so are you running xubuntu now?
[19:47] <pc-illiterate> no....updated and d/l nvidia driver
[19:47] <cromag> uh, thats was qite a few Xubuntuers :)
[19:47] <pc-illiterate> on xp now
[19:48] <pc-illiterate> i have more questions than you have time for :))
[19:48] <tech404> what kind of card?
[19:48] <pc-illiterate> gforce4mx440se
[19:49] <pc-illiterate> i was reading instructions for install
[19:49] <pc-illiterate> came back here
[19:50] <pc-illiterate> mirc will need to be run thru wine correct ?
[19:50] <tech404> I would guess so but I think you should try an alternative
[19:51] <pc-illiterate> well i know nothing...
[19:51] <tech404> you should install xchat and give that a try
[19:51] <pc-illiterate> xchat will bring me here ?
[19:51] <tech404> yes
[19:51] <pc-illiterate> weee
[19:52] <tech404> and so will pidgin and that is already on your xubuntu install
[19:52] <pc-illiterate> what all does pdgin work with ?
[19:52] <tech404> just about every chat you can think of
[19:52] <pc-illiterate> even gayhoo and google talk ?
[19:52] <tech404> i find that it is not great for irc so i use xchat for irc and pidgin for everything else
[19:53] <tech404> yes and msn and icq and so on and so on
[19:53] <pc-illiterate> yes...im likin this more n more
[19:54] <tech404> you should boot into linux now and come talk to us from there
[19:54] <pc-illiterate> ok cool
[20:05] <pc-illiterate> i are here
[20:06] <tech404> congrats
[20:07] <pc-illiterate> this is pretty cool
[20:07] <pc-illiterate> kinda like trillian
[20:07] <tech404> I would bet that your video card is supported... i think that it may have been a setting in the bios
[20:07] <tech404> but I would hold off on working on it for a while
[20:07] <pc-illiterate> i got the driver
[20:08] <pc-illiterate>  i just need to know how to "kill all opengl processes" and open a console to type in the run
[20:09] <pc-illiterate> i know 1 thing for sure. firefox opens at least twice as fast
[20:10] <tech404> i feel very sure that you don't need to install the closed source nvidia drivers for a card that age
[20:10] <pc-illiterate> i dont know anything about bios so...
[20:11] <pc-illiterate> gunna be a pain in the arse to pull it out after i play Ut and boot into linux
[20:11] <tech404> you can try if you would like but I think you will find the computer doing the same thing as before
[20:12] <pc-illiterate> i just mean use it for xp so i can play. im an addicted gamer
[20:15] <tech404> i understand
[20:15] <tech404> so am i
[20:15] <pc-illiterate> so you think i have the drivers but since im in linux, it uses what the bios says ?
[20:17] <tech404> I think that the bios was set to use both cards or to fall back onto the on board
[20:17] <pc-illiterate> no built in firewall right ?
[20:17] <tech404> no need really
[20:17] <pc-illiterate> but only with xp ?
[20:17] <pc-illiterate> what about anti virus ?
[20:18] <tech404> but you can install one if it makes you feel happy
[20:18] <tech404> dont need it
[20:18] <pc-illiterate> no firewall no antivirus ?
[20:18] <tech404> nope
[20:19] <tech404> nothing is listening to the outside world on your system so no need for a firewall and there are not any real viruses for linux
[20:19] <tech404> do you use a router to get to the internet?
[20:19] <pc-illiterate> an old cheap 1
[20:20] <pc-illiterate> linksys networkeverywhere...
[20:20] <tech404> you should not need a firewall
[20:20] <pc-illiterate> its a $40 cheap router
[20:21] <pc-illiterate> well thats just freakin cool
[20:22] <tech404> but if it gives you a warm feeling to know you have one there are plenty available for free just waiting to be downloaded and installed from synaptics
[20:22] <pc-illiterate> lol. if i dont need 1 im not really all for d/l useless apps
[20:44] <tech404> well congrats again pc-illiterate I hope you enjoy... do some reading up on what new people should know
[20:53] <web_knows> hi there
[20:53] <web_knows> do you guys know of any tag editor that writes the album cover to the file?
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> web_knows: I think easytag can do that. also depends if your file format supports it.
[20:54] <web_knows> mp3
[22:06] <Whiteheat> hi ppl - question - how do I set the default font for xfce4-terminal??
[22:25] <Whiteheat> hi ppl - question - how do I set the default font for xfce4-terminal?? - cant find anything in faqs/wiki etc
[22:35] <zoredache> Whiteheat: there is a setting on one of the menus
[22:38] <Whiteheat> zoredache - I havent found it yet - can you be more specific please?
[22:39] <foxray> hi, where are the monitor power management settings in xubuntu?
[22:39] <foxray> i need to set the monitor standby time to 30 minutes
[22:48] <zoredache> Whiteheat: Edit->Preferences->appearance
[22:52] <Whiteheat> zoredache: thanks mate - I looked at that screen before and could see the monospace - but didnt notice the size option even though I was looking for it!!??
[23:43] <pc-illiterate> can anyone help me with installing a gforce4 mx series drivers ?
[23:46] <pc-illiterate> ok. can someone tell me how to get in my bios ?
[23:48] <revlo> hi, cannot fetch it from the website, maybe I am blind, but how much storage and ram will a very basic xubuntu install need? (just some email little websurfing and gnumeric/abiword)
[23:49] <pc-illiterate> i just installed dude
[23:50] <pc-illiterate> i have 15gig left on a 20 gig hdd
[23:50] <pc-illiterate> and the installer told me 36m of ram
[23:50] <pc-illiterate>  the livecd uses a lot more
[23:51] <pc-illiterate> does that help revlo ?
[23:51] <revlo> 5Gb.. thats alot, do you ahve any user-data on the driver?
[23:52] <revlo> yes a bit
[23:52] <pc-illiterate> thats alot ?  i know the ubuntu site says it takes 1.5 g but i needed more than that i guess
[23:53] <pc-illiterate> it also says it needs less ram on the livecd than i actually needed
[23:53] <pc-illiterate> but that was bogus or something. it wouldnt install
[23:53] <pc-illiterate> if i helped cool. if not. sorry.
[23:54] <pc-illiterate> if you gimme a sec i'll copy n paste whats said there
[23:55] <pc-illiterate> CDs require 128MB RAM to run, or 192MB RAM to install. Desktop install requires at least 1.5GB of free space on your hard disk.
[23:55] <revlo> 1.5Gb ok thx :)
[23:55] <pc-illiterate> dont know why im different
[23:55] <revlo> maybe addon software like OpenOffice
[23:56] <revlo> OpenOffice alone takes 700Mb on my Centos Laptop
[23:56] <pc-illiterate> yea its there. i did a full alt cd install
[23:56] <pc-illiterate> ok i gotta figure out graphics. have fun everyone


[03:07] <Seven_Six_Two> !seen BobJonkman1
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[19:10] <nikolas> hello everyone, is a computer with a intel celeron (2M, 1.8GHz) can use get a fast system with ubuntu kylin ? Or it will be slow ?
[19:11] <nikolas> can get a fast system*
[21:12] <nikolas> hi, is a intel celeron 2M, 1.8GHz is enough to use Ubuntu Kylin with good conditions ?


[19:31] <bcurtiswx> hi marcoceppi
[19:31] <marcoceppi> o/
[19:31] <bcurtiswx> did you ever send me that DCWEEK email, im trying to catch up with e-mails
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> it's late for it, but I'll try to add info to the website for future reference
[19:32] <marcoceppi> Oh, I never did. I forgot to write that down in my to-do list
[19:33] <bcurtiswx> marcoceppi, no rush, if you get some time I can add info to the website so we have it there for the future
[19:33] <bcurtiswx> marcoceppi, thanks :)
[19:33] <marcoceppi> np, I'll mail you later tonight


[03:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:50] <Bashing-om> WB lotuspsychje . Ya not missed much :)
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: do we wait for .1 for the mass crowd?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: The promise is that .1 will fix all the issues; we can stay home :P
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lol, so no crowd comming?
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> no news is good news
[03:53] <Bashing-om> Well, maybe we can get some Windows refugees ?
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> lol Bashing-om
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sure and instead of helping problems transit to ubuntu :p
[03:56] <Bashing-om> And.... I hate when that happens .. having to again " this ain't Windows " :D
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> thats some big idle :p
[04:53] <Bashing-om> s l o w
[04:56] <tsimonq2> S    L    O    W
[04:56] <tsimonq2> S
[04:56] <tsimonq2> L
[04:56] <tsimonq2> O
[04:56] <tsimonq2> W
[04:56] <tsimonq2> >_>
[04:58] <Bashing-om> wut he sed
[05:00] <Bashing-om> to much for me ,,off to bed .
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: :p
[05:11] <tsimonq2> :P
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[06:50] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:49] <daftykins> wb
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins , trying out the socks5 and HTTP proxies on Konversation, but they still don't connect , just default to the next listed server
[11:56] <daftykins> hmm not sure what scenario that would be useful in
[12:00] <BluesKaj> werll my IP and ISP are exposed for 30 secs 0r so 'til the c;oak takes effecr...why such a delay? I was hacked a few yrs ago, had my nick hi jacked received a DOS attack which put us off the internet for 20mins or so, My ISP investigated and toldme their logs showed it was coming from some russian user
[12:00] <BluesKaj> cloak
[12:01] <daftykins> sounds like your client is just misconfigured and won't auth quickly enough
[12:01] <daftykins> thankfully irssi handles SASL directly now and also has an option to cease connecting if SSL isn't in use
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Wonder id a simple nickserv setting would be quicker than sasl
[12:03] <BluesKaj> if
[12:04] <daftykins> SASL isn't slow here, your client must just be a bit rubbish
[12:04] <daftykins> easy way to confirm is to disable all channel autojoins then test connect to a server with SSL and see how it behaves when SASL authing i suppose :>
[12:05] <daftykins> how'd that user pinch your nick?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> dunno how he did that, but he did  ...he managed to post in the #ubuntu chat using my nick for about 5 mins orso
[12:08] <BluesKaj> and I couldn't posy while he was doing so ...some kind of exploit I guess
[12:08] <daftykins> mmm could've connected to a freenode server during a netsplit and camped on the nickserv name to receive plaintext passwords
[12:09] <BluesKaj> anyway I'll try your suggestion
[12:14] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yup freenode cloaks immediately if I don't use autojoin
[12:15] <daftykins> funky, so it's running things in the wrong order
[12:16] <daftykins> if you've kept the same /home backed up for a while, it could be some newer features to Konversation are being broken by an old config
[12:16] <daftykins> can't say i have ever used it to know how it handles the joins vs. auths
[12:21] <BluesKaj> right ...hate to dump konversation, I'm so used to it ...maybe I'll just purge it then and reinstall ...seems rasyher drastic tho
[12:21] <BluesKaj> rather
[12:22] <daftykins> well just find where it stores your config and try configuring from scratch
[12:22] <daftykins> quick rename of the . folder would simulate a clean slate :D
[12:35] <BluesKaj> odd, there doesn't seem to be a config file
[12:36] <daftykins> could have been moved to ~/.config/<prog name>/ ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> there's a~/.config/konversationrc text file, but no folder
[12:40] <daftykins> hmm
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I  described my problem to the #konversation chat , but no response
[12:42] <daftykins> i can't even find an answer to where config is stored on their website etc
[13:38] <BluesKaj> purged Konversation and the rc text file in ~./.config , then reinstalled, but the cloak still delays if I use autojoin
[13:42] <daftykins> hrmm
[13:42] <daftykins> i wonder if KDE progs use a different path
[13:45] <lordievader> Most plasma5 programs changes their config path to ~/.config. Perhaps konversation is behind the times.
[15:53] <tomreyn> do we offer commercial support in #uubntu now?
[15:55] <daftykins> ?
[16:04] <tomreyn> SporkWitch suggested that someone should send him bitcoin for support.
[16:04] <daftykins> heh, nah i think the true Canonical support is phone and email only
[16:07] <tomreyn> m ypoint is i think we should frown upon anyone posting their bitcoin addresses and asking for payment for support services in #uubntu
[16:08] <daftykins> definitely
[16:09] <tomreyn> (i would not mind people organizing such in private / direct messages)
[16:10] <daftykins> i've usually laughed off the ones that offer money for their problems to be fixed xD
[17:00] <hggdh> no, no commercial support in #u
[17:00] <hggdh> not even the suggestion of one
[17:36] <Allie`> I don't think that was an !ask-worthy queston
[17:38] <daftykins> which?
[18:12] <Allie`> daftykins: samsonait's
[18:13] <daftykins> i'm not in there to see
[18:52] <JanC> there are plenty of websites for getting paid support; they should register on those


[08:55]  * mvo hugs jibel for his update-manager branch
[09:02]  * jibel_ hugs mvo back for his review to come :)
[09:03] <jibel_> mvo, I tried to be the less invasive as possible.
[09:05] <jibel_> mvo, I tried with an average size clone (2700 packages ~400k files)
[09:05] <jibel_> mvo, it takes about 2 hours to restore and upgrade the clone
[09:06] <mvo> on the fast boxes from the lap?
[09:06] <jibel_> mvo, yes
[09:06] <mvo> that sounds like we want libeatmydata support more urgently
[09:06] <jibel_> mvo, we'll be able to test around 20 to 25 clones a day/server
[09:08] <jibel_> mvo, preallocating disk size would help too because qemu spend its time extending the device
[09:08] <mvo> aha, that is good to know
[09:09] <jibel_> mvo, if we delete the image after collecting the results that would not be a problem to create 40GB files
[14:02] <jp_Hranice> Hallo. What about if testing in virtual machine ( Test Drive ) is too slowly ?
[14:36] <sagaci> jp_Hranice: you can already test on bare hardware if you have a spare box around
[14:40] <jp_Hranice> sagaci: It is imposible
[14:41] <jp_Hranice> sagaci: I got only 1 TFT display


[04:41] <nhandler> This came up the other day briefly with pleia2, but does anyone have any ideas about how I could have the interview script detect Ubuntu Women/MOTU interviews in Full Circle magazine and convert them to HTML? They have some pdf to html convertors, but I'm not sure how well they will work with FCM.
[14:28] <akgraner> Hi all!  So we have a meeting this Thursday.. I'll work on the agenda today so everyone can add to it  - I believe this will be a longer meeting that normal
[14:29] <akgraner> Please plan on attending and if possible participate longer than the normal hour we usually have scheduled
[14:29] <akgraner> Thanks!
[14:29] <akgraner> I'm also emailing the various other lists today as well
[14:30] <alourie> akgraner: when will it be?
[14:31] <akgraner> Dec 2nd 2300 :-)
[14:31] <alourie> 2300 UTC ?
[14:31] <akgraner> It's in the topic as well :-)
[14:31] <alourie> right
[14:31] <akgraner> :-)
[14:31] <alourie> hm
[14:32] <alourie> it's a bit tough time
[14:32] <alourie> s/time/hour/
[14:36] <akgraner> sorry about that  - we can send out another survey after this meeting and see if the time and or day needs to change going into next year
[14:43] <akgraner> I'll send out an explanation to ubuntu-news list today as I am getting more and more emails about the state of UWN and when will it resume - this will be an exception as normally the *only* thing that should go out on that list is the newsletter - but Readers do need an explanation
[14:44] <akgraner> Do you all see any reason we can't resume publishing on the 4th and please think about who would like to be included in the the rotation of publishing editors
[14:49] <akgraner> so we would have publishing editors (those who edit and get it out to the world), contributing editors (those who both write summaries, contribute links articles and edit), contributors (those who contribute links and summaries but don't edit the whole newsletter)  though anyone can learn to do any of those things
[14:50] <akgraner> brb need to reboot  - things didn't clean up nicely after I suspended :-/
[16:09] <akgraner> cody-somerville, you're still a moderator on ubuntu-news mailing list aren't you?
[16:10] <akgraner> I'm sending out a Status email to the subscribers to the -news mailing list to answer the emails I got over the weekend can you approve it when it hits the list please?
[16:10] <akgraner> I'll also CC it to the ubuntu-news-team list as well
[16:22] <akgraner> ok it hit the lists now :-)  I'll also send it to the LP team lists who may not be signed up on the mailing lists
[16:23] <akgraner> Woo Hoo we'll be back on track this Monday with publishing if you want to be on the list for Publishing editors (rolling list so no one person has to publish it each week please let me know)
[16:23] <akgraner> Thanks!
[16:28] <akgraner> bbiab  - Thanks y'all we resume publication this Monday - I'll revise the template based on the survey results - and then we can take a look at it in the meeting...
[16:30] <akgraner> alourie, highvoltage cjohnston nhandler pleia2 holstein nigelb and internalkernel and Pendulum I'll email you all tonight and make sure we're all on the same sheet of music - If any of you want to be on the rotating publisher schedule please let me know so I can get you all all the information and be ready to help if needed etc...
[16:31] <akgraner> also if I missed anyone in the above list of people who would like to be included please let me know and I'll add you to the list as well - the more the merrier and easier it is to keep everyone motivated and excited about UWN :-)
[16:38] <akgraner> also besides zkriesse who loves wikis?
[16:39] <akgraner> and can help re-org the news team ones
[16:40] <akgraner> bbiab - gotta get some work done now :-)
[17:33] <cody-somerville> akgraner, appears approved already
[17:34] <akgraner> cody-somerville, thanks for checking - wasn't sure if it would go through or not - and I am neck deep in something else at the moment :-) many thanks!
[17:46] <highvoltage> akgraner: yay, ok
[21:03] <zkriesse> akgraner: ping


[21:09] <phillw> infinity: 1st report back for PPC reports as good. "The usual boot parameter was needed to get the correct color depth", excellent work guys!
[21:54] <Noskcaj> phillw, YAY!
[21:54] <Noskcaj> I'll try and get my mac mini going this weekend


[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:45] <diddledan> morning
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[12:44] <ndf> directhex: that qnap QvPC thing is pretty awesome...
[13:13] <sebsebseb> hi
[13:28] <ndf> ahoy, ahoy!
[13:29] <sebsebseb> ndf: hi
[13:29] <sebsebseb> anyone buy the Ubuntu tablet here?
[13:29] <sebsebseb> I guess popey did but anyone else
[13:32] <popey> i didnt
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> ...yet... :-)
[13:40] <popey> :)
[13:41] <popey> I just got given another bq e4.5
[13:41] <popey> got 4 of them now
[13:44] <sebsebseb> popey: you got given by whom?
[13:44] <sebsebseb> popey: also whta'st the differece really between the bq global and worldwide stores that's a bit confussing
[13:45] <sebsebseb> oh  e4.5 the first one yeah, not the HD
[13:50] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah the 4.5 is the rejcted phone now so :d
[13:51] <ndf> you running any of them on android?
[13:52] <sebsebseb> ndf: I doubt he would
[13:52] <sebsebseb> popey: oh yeah that was a great Linux VOice interview :d
[13:52] <sebsebseb> where it als o said you don't like Android much
[13:52] <ndf> I quite like Marshmallow
[13:52] <ndf> I got me a Nexus 6P (the new huawei one)
[13:53] <ndf> sexy beast
[13:53] <sebsebseb> Android is a bit uh well the second you start installing apps
[13:53] <ndf> not mine
[13:53] <sebsebseb> suddenly get adverts all over  the phone
[13:53] <sebsebseb> and
[13:53] <sebsebseb> also apps want access to pretty much evertyhing most of them
[13:53] <sebsebseb> so much for privacy
[13:53] <ndf> not if you are sensible about what you install
[13:53] <sebsebseb> yes let's have  access to your photo gallery etc
[13:54] <ndf> you can detect ad packages in each app and decide what you want to uninstall
[13:54] <ndf> and in marshmallow
[13:54] <ndf> you can restrict permissions
[13:54] <sebsebseb> ndf: can you, that must be new
[13:54] <sebsebseb> for add thing
[13:54] <ndf> and alow specific things for each app
[13:54] <sebsebseb> permissins  I did read that in marshmellow could do something
[13:54] <sebsebseb> ,but older Androids nope so
[13:54] <ndf> ...would you run Windows 3.1?
[13:55] <ndf> don't run old android.
[13:55] <sebsebseb> Android may have Linux in the background, but it also tighes people to Google hmm
[13:55] <ndf> not really
[13:55] <sebsebseb> ndf: would I run Windows 3.1 yep sometimes :d  well via the stuff on arhcieve.org :)
[13:55] <ndf> lol
[13:55] <sebsebseb> you seen that
[13:55] <ndf> you don't have to use gmail and google calendar if you don't want to
[13:55] <sebsebseb> you can basically run Windows 3.1 now and lots of the old programs online now in a browser
[13:56] <sebsebseb> you can play the old solitare with the old decks, play around in the old paint, and much more
[13:56] <ndf> well for the same reason you don't like old android, I wouldn't bother with Win3x
[13:56] <ndf> lol
[13:56] <ndf> you get what I'm saying
[13:56] <sebsebseb> ndf: the onlien stuff is intersting
[13:56] <sebsebseb> ndf: for an actsaul install though same I woudn't bother with that either
[13:57] <ndf> ...so check
[13:57] <ndf> out
[13:57] <ndf> Marshmallow
[13:57] <ndf> lol sry didn't mean to press enter
[13:57] <sebsebseb> need some kind of device to run that buy somethign unless
[13:57] <ndf> twice
[13:57] <sebsebseb> unless
[13:57] <sebsebseb> androix x86 maybe, oh right I got Remix OS anyay on that tablet nad Remix Mimin's based on that, so uhmm and good :)
[13:57] <sebsebseb> ndf: Androdi is a bit well boring to now
[13:57] <ndf> you can run it in a vm if you don't want to shell out on a device
[13:57] <sebsebseb> ndf: since Android is all over the place in the main streame
[13:58] <sebsebseb> in the main strmeae is only really two options proper ones, that's Iphone, and Android
[13:58] <sebsebseb> Windows phone sort of in some places, but hardly so nope
[13:58]  * sebsebseb has sit on the bus for example plenty of times now, hearing people getting a text on Android etc
[13:58] <ndf> ?
[13:58] <sebsebseb> ndf: Android is boring
[13:59] <sebsebseb> or mostly
[13:59] <ndf> ...because you hear people receive a message?
[13:59] <ndf> eh!?
[13:59] <sebsebseb> no
[13:59] <sebsebseb> no
[13:59] <ndf> lol
[13:59] <sebsebseb> just since it's got popualr last few years etc
[13:59] <sebsebseb> it's boring
[13:59] <sebsebseb> we need something new
[13:59] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu? Jolla? Firefox uhmm right htey don't target phones anymore
[13:59] <ndf> lol so linux became popular a long time ago, why don't you leave here?
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> there's still a _lot_ of dumbphones about
[13:59] <sebsebseb> an Open SUse phone I read something about yesteraddy beifuly or that was an April fools
[13:59] <ndf> aren't you bored of ubuntu and windows
[13:59] <ndf> get a mac pfff
[13:59] <ndf> lol
[14:00] <ndf> you're ridiculous
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: for a desktop I am bored of Ubuntu sure
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: but Unity 8 should come soon to desktop as well and Mir then things will get interesting  ish again for Ubuntu
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> but if i had a choice of os i'd probably at this stage want emacs os on a phone... :-)
[14:00] <sebsebseb> ndf: and I would normally run something else on computers distro wise
[14:00] <sebsebseb> for now
[14:01] <sebsebseb> ,but  I care less about this stuff, so actsaully been running Ubuntu a bit longer than inteded on this lap top since...  plus was going to re set everything up agian WIndows the whole lot, I just haven't done it yet
[14:01] <popey> thanks sebsebseb
[14:01] <sebsebseb> popey: the LInux voice thing you meant?
[14:01] <ndf> my poiunt was every reason you've given for disliking android is on older versions, I suggested to try Marshmallow and you don't want to check it out because 'oh, it's popular now'
[14:01] <popey> ya
[14:02] <popey> friend gave me the e4.5
[14:02] <popey> rejected phone?
[14:02] <sebsebseb> popey: it seemed a bit long when just seeing htep ages, it was like four pages uh? but then when reading it, it was like, uhmm there could have been more :) having some more would have been good
[14:02] <popey> heh, appreciate that
[14:02] <popey> we chatted for about 3 hours
[14:02] <popey> he came over to my house to do the interview, chat and drink coffee
[14:03] <sebsebseb> popey: well there's the Meizu MX 4 for those who have that :),  the BQ HD.  4.5 is the old first one.  there's the Meizu Pro 5 to soon I guessa
[14:03] <sebsebseb> popey: yep seemed he had actsaully gone there going by the article
[14:03] <popey> so they say
[14:03] <popey> yeah, the photos are in my dining room :)
[14:03] <sebsebseb> oh right
[14:05]  * sebsebseb wonders why BQ has two stores aimed at the whole world or pretty much by the looksofit, but with confussing names global and worlwide.
[14:06] <sebsebseb> what'st the diference?
[14:06] <popey> no idea
[14:07] <sebsebseb> popey: Isee the FHD came back in stock
[14:07] <sebsebseb> popey: if it's still available like that onThursday I amintending onbuying
[14:08] <sebsebseb> I think certainpeople willget disappaointed with those tablets or at first though
[14:08] <sebsebseb> Oh I want to run  this and that native Ubuntu app,but oh can't just do it,got toput inread write mode?
[14:08] <sebsebseb> read write mood I assume would belike runining root for everything in a  normal  distro?
[14:09] <sebsebseb> hence why the security updates the over the air updats don't install to, if I read omg ubuntu right
[14:09] <popey> the ota updates are a readonly image
[14:09] <popey> making your device rw just means you switch off the ro flag
[14:09] <popey> so you can fiddle with files or use apt
[14:10] <sebsebseb> will do the over the air updates still install then?
[14:10] <popey> yes
[14:10] <popey> but you may lose your changes
[14:10] <sebsebseb> oh changes when updating?
[14:10] <sebsebseb> itw ill wipe them out?
[14:10] <popey> well, you get a new root filesystem
[14:10] <popey> maybe
[14:10] <popey> depends what you do
[14:10] <sebsebseb> not even sure how to put it in  read write mode right n ow, but I guess via terminal or something
[14:11] <sebsebseb> Iguess there will be some articles about that soon, once people actasully get those tables
[14:11] <popey> there's a command for it
[14:11] <popey> its already well documented
[14:11] <popey> no different than the phone
[14:11] <popey> (It's the same software)
[14:11] <sebsebseb> oh right ok
[14:11] <sebsebseb> but yes it's the convergence that people want to playw ith a lot
[14:11] <sebsebseb> running standard desktop programs on there
[14:12] <popey> not sure that needs read-write mode
[14:12] <popey> we'll see
[14:12] <sebsebseb> maybe omg ubuntu was wrong then
[14:12] <sebsebseb> but I Think most of the info they got was done via remours etc for tablet
[14:13] <popey> well, i think the info they published was based on the unreleased images
[14:13] <popey> it's not final yet
[14:13] <sebsebseb> unreleased images?
[14:13] <popey> yes, non-stable ones
[14:13] <popey> not final
[14:14] <sebsebseb> oh the dev stuff yeah
[14:14]  * sebsebseb waits for Jolla re fund as well :d been about three weekks already after saying yes re fund
[14:14] <popey> oh, you're not getting a tablet? Shame
[14:15] <sebsebseb> indeed I am not one of the lucky ones in that sense, but what I have worked out is this :d
[14:15] <sebsebseb> my Jolla phone that I bought on the
[14:15] <sebsebseb> campagin for the tablet, that's going to basically become free once I get re funded
[14:15] <sebsebseb> yep  I am getting re funded for that as well :) maybe I paid a little shipping orsomething, but yep it's basically going to bedcome free as well
[14:16] <sebsebseb> popey: so I am getting about 200 pounds in the first lot of re fund, and then about 200 pounds again in the second, but myJolla phone basicaly becomes free as well as I was saying which is kind of nice really
[14:18] <sebsebseb> popey: I think the tablets aren't going to be that supported now anyway, well ther will be softtware updadates for Jolla
[14:18] <popey> what are jolla doing now then?
[14:18] <popey> if they're not making hardware and not supporting their software?
[14:18] <sebsebseb> they are supproign there OS
[14:19] <sebsebseb> they are trying to refund those who are going to get re funded
[14:19] <sebsebseb> and trying to get deals else where with hardware manufactures to it seems
[14:19] <sebsebseb> to bring the OS to other hardware
[14:19] <popey> oh
[14:19] <sebsebseb> popey: I am about to have something interesting sent to me, that I crowd funded last year though :)
[14:21] <popey> :)
[14:21] <sebsebseb> popey oh what was that?
[14:21] <sebsebseb> Arduboy
[14:21] <popey> Hah, I ordered one too :)
[14:21] <sebsebseb> I orederd five :d
[14:21] <sebsebseb> one of each colour yep
[14:21] <popey> !
[14:21] <sebsebseb> plus I got two of the Tetris cards  pre orderd that
[14:22] <sebsebseb> seems having a few has turend out to be a good idea for Arduboy since they can only acstaully run one game at once
[14:22] <sebsebseb> and that going by a video I saw, putting on a differnet game can be a little tricky
[14:23] <sebsebseb> popey: heh ! was in shock?
[14:24] <sebsebseb> plus having  a few makes it easier to show certian people, if bother to do that :d
[14:26] <popey> have you seen the little arduboy rpg?
[14:26] <popey> Arduventure
[14:26] <sebsebseb> one  of the games?
[14:26] <sebsebseb> not really looked properly at the games yet, since not got a Arduboy yet, but when I got them
[14:26] <sebsebseb> yep I will look properly at games for them
[14:28] <sebsebseb> popey: how do you keep up with what's being corwd funded?
[14:28] <sebsebseb> or you just look every now and again
[14:29] <popey> mostly via what people post on twitter / G+
[14:29] <popey> or reddit
[14:29] <popey> now and then i look at "staff picks" or something
[14:29] <popey> i follow a lot of people on twitter though so see a lot that way
[14:30] <sebsebseb> ah right I see yeah
[14:30] <sebsebseb> popey: well that nxdock is nearly funded
[14:30] <sebsebseb> I think that's going to happen
[14:30] <popey> blimey
[14:30] <sebsebseb> why is that your response?
[14:31] <sebsebseb> I think it will be useful for remix mini etc
[14:31] <sebsebseb> rassbery pi etc
[14:31] <sebsebseb> but yes it has  a bad resolution or so you think so you woudn't buy I know :d
[14:32] <sebsebseb> popey: going to crowd fund it later :d  it's only like 84 pounds 119 is about 84 pounds
[14:32] <sebsebseb> 119 dollars is about 84 pounds
[14:33] <sebsebseb> they been really good at replying to most comments
[14:33] <sebsebseb> not many acstaul project updates, but lots of replies in the comments yep
[14:34] <sebsebseb> popey: so if that was a scam, tehy have done quite a bit to earn such a large amount of money heh
[14:35] <popey> its an interesting device
[14:35] <popey> just not something I'd use
[14:37] <sebsebseb> I can see a useage so :)
[17:19]  * penguin42 is still hmming about where to use to renew my .org registration - any suggestions?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> gandi.ent?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> net
[17:20] <penguin42> used them yourself?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I have all my domains there
[17:22] <popey> +1 vote for gandi
[17:22] <diddledan> 'ave a ganda @ gandi
[17:24] <penguin42> nominate.com want 19.20 inc for 1 year which is exhorbitant, gandi are 13.64 inc for one year
[17:25] <diddledan> is that a pun on nominet?
[17:26] <penguin42> diddledan: Possibly; they've been around for a long time
[17:26] <penguin42> how does Gandi do whois security   - do they automatically hide your details?
[17:27] <diddledan> probably opt-in
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> there's a flag for it
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> they also do two-factor authentication, with TOTP
[17:29] <penguin42> ah yes, they do a thing to hide it https://www.gandi.net/domain/whois/
[17:43] <directhex> 2T down, 1 to go...
[17:43] <directhex> and a *second* failed disk in the new array @_@
[17:45]  * zmoylan-pi remembers my last seagate 3tb drive.  i had just filled it up from all the drives scattered around the house when it slowed down to speeds slower than serial transfers...
[17:47] <penguin42> as good as low power flourescent bulbs then?
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> i think my spectrum transferred to tape faster...
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> though it's hard to find an audio cassette to hold 3tb of data to compare... :-P
[17:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: And if there was one it would get to 2.9tb before scrunching up
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> not a problem i have a pencil
[17:54] <penguin42> biros are better
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i ever used a biro...
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> my hand writing was terrible _before_ i learned to program computers so my mother would not allow me to use biros
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> the extra friction from pencil and fountain pens made my hand writing more legible
[20:02] <foobarry> got my star wars stuff out today
[20:02] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/As5gmKgsPhC8UAmD7
[20:02] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/AhV9u5w8rbRb2nx28
[20:04] <penguin42> aren't the originals with boxes supposed to be worth something these days?
[20:06] <foobarry> the last 17 ROTJ figures are pretty valuable
[20:06] <foobarry> the xwing has a sticker sheet of unused stickers
[20:06] <foobarry> the box is a bit damaged
[20:07] <foobarry> i have a few last 17
[20:07] <foobarry> a wing pilot, yak face, etc. not on card but with guns in mint codnition
[21:19] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: surely all transfers to SATA or SAS disks are de facto slower than or equal to the speed of serial transfers, no?
[22:49] <penguin42> hmm, Manchester will be holding the International Clouds & Precipitation conference


 Hello, is there a way to have Lubuntu list all the currently installed applications? I will need that list when I upgrade to the latest release (will format and clean install).
[07:17] <guiverc> @Rodrigo, https://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages maybe helpful, but note `apt` & `dpkg` deal with deb packages; so you may need to `snap list` to view snap packages.. (and more if using flatpak etc)
[14:43] <Kreuger> Hey all, I am attempting to upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04 but it keeps failing.
[14:44] <Kreuger> I keep getting the message that an unresolvable problem occurred during calculation.
[14:46] <Kreuger> https://bin.snopyta.org/?2c49e4cfbedb6e5f#S3TQkFFmLXZZhwbbdDAZU1jrWx13Pqp6rrtkvWtFHH6 here is my log.
[14:47] <Kreuger> and my sources file https://bin.snopyta.org/?4cc1957784671570#GwNe2LN48BWPWcQAd66fLpmFagfWk4pP1cqpz8xCPhXL
 Thanks a lot guiverc 👌🏽 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> @Rodrigo, https://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages maybe helpful, but note `apt` & `dpkg` deal with deb packages; so you may need to `snap list` to view snap packages.. (and more if using flatpak etc))


[02:06] <FlannelKing> there any known bugs with server installs?
[08:22] <nandemonai> I wonder if I might pick someones brain on dns / apache2 virtual host setups.. Essentially I don't quite understand how to set this all up. I've read some faqs and howtos but am a little lost and have a few questions...
[08:27] <nandemonai> Such as, at current I have a apache2 webserver running, a dynamic ip setup with my isp and a dyndns domain pointing to my internet ip (updated by my router whenever the internet ip changes dynamically and all relevant ports are forwarded to said server's ip) and that all seems to work without me running bind. I also have a mail server running no problems with the dyndns domain name. What I need to know is does apache vi
[08:27] <nandemonai> rtual hosts need bind running to function? IE say I had example.homeunix.net and wanted a virtual host of foobar.example.homeunix.net... how exactly do I go about doing that?
[08:30] <nandemonai> Eventually I would like to buy domains and have them point to subdomains of my main domain so I'm pretty sure I'll need to setup dns for that myself and have the person the domain is bought off set thier nameservers to point to mine yes?
[08:33] <nandemonai> hmm.. I guess it's probably the middle of the night where most you guys/gals live..
[08:36] <Plug> Hi.
[08:36] <Plug> You don't really need to run bind (yourself)
[08:37] <Plug> virtual hosting works like this:
[08:37] <Plug> telnet whateverip 80
[08:37] <Plug> GET / HTTP/1.0
[08:37] <Plug> Host: <whateveryoulike>
[08:38] <Plug> A web browser needs to know how to get to your server, when you enter in the URL.. but the web server itself doesn't need to know any of that, it services any requests to the IP/s you're listening on.
[08:54] <nandemonai> Hmm, I only have one external ip though, I was planning on running multiple virtual hosts via a subdomain like above..
[08:54] <nandemonai> Oh and hi there :)
[08:57] <nandemonai> so ok.. first things first.. I have the hostname os the server set to the external domain name I've setup through dyndns and all that's working so far.. I just dont understand how to get subdomain.myhostname.homeunix.net happening..
[09:09] <nandemonai> Or do I just set the virtual host in apache and it resolves the subdomain to the virtual host?
[09:36] <Plug> You can set subdomain.myhostname.etc as a virtual host
[09:36] <Plug> and as long as you can resolve that IP to your dynamic IP, it will work
[09:37] <Plug> you can also do what you are asking
[09:37] <Plug> in terms of having *.myhsotname.homeunix.net I bbelive
[09:43] <nandemonai> ok I've tried but it seems to override the origional site..
[09:45] <nandemonai> and the subdomain doesnt resolve
[09:46] <nandemonai> hmm perhaps its an issue with dyndns.. as I have wildcards enabled so that mail gets through..
[09:47] <nandemonai> Oh scratch that it's not enabled anyway
[09:47] <nandemonai> hmm
[10:00] <neuralis> nandemonai: no, what you described certainly doesn't require your own dns server.
[10:01] <nandemonai> Well what I've done is added the virtual host to apache but for some reason it overides my origional host and the subdomain still doesnt resolv..
[10:03] <Plug> Adding a virtual host isn't enough to convince clients to send packets to that IP.
[10:04] <nandemonai> it's all the same IP though..
[10:04] <nandemonai> I'm confused sorry :(
[10:06] <nandemonai> See this is the bit I have trouble with, how do I get the subdomain resolving..
[10:10] <nandemonai> Ok I think I have it right now but still the subdomain does not resolv.. yet now the original domain is working as intended..
[10:12] <nandemonai> here is my virtual hosts lines: http://pastebin.com/670901 Do they look right?
[10:42] <neuralis> nandemonai: you're asking a basic apache and dns question. please do some background reading; this is in no way pertinent to ubuntu, or even linux.
[10:46] <nandemonai> Fair enough, I've done some reading but can't seem to find a good explanation of it that is up to date.
[01:06] <Pyretic> anyone tried that netboot image for the new sun niagara server ?
[01:09] <fabbione> yes me
[01:09] <Pyretic> are there any docs on how to get it started ?
[01:10] <Pyretic> i have the 60day demo unit, and rather have linux on it
[01:10] <fabbione> the same way as any other sparc machine.. setup tftpd on a box with rarpd
[01:10] <fabbione> from the niagara:
[01:10] <fabbione> boot net0:<ip_address_of_the_server>
[01:10] <fabbione> (assuming you are using the first interface
[01:12] <Pyretic> hmm right, i'll give it a try
[01:12] <fabbione> i am sure it works
[01:12] <fabbione> i have the second t2000 even shipped to a linux developer ;)
[01:13] <fabbione> even -> ever
[01:14] <fabbione> Pyretic: how many cores does your box have?
[01:14] <fabbione> we have one report of a 4 cores not booting properly.
[01:14] <Pyretic> 8core
[01:14] <fabbione> but otherwise 6/8 cores look ok
[01:15] <fabbione> Pyretic: can you please let me know immediatly if there is anything wrong with it? or if you find bugs?
[01:15] <fabbione> we should really move this to #ubuntu-ports too
[01:15] <Pyretic> sure, not have the time for it right now, but i'll be playing later on
[01:15] <Pyretic> ok
[01:15] <fabbione> sure
[01:16] <ajmitch> fabbione: there's a ports channel as well? now I'll have to decide which channel to drop to keep it to < 20 channels
[01:16] <fabbione> ajmitch: yes
[02:46] <AviaX> hey all
[04:08] <AviaX> hi
[04:12] <jsgotangco> yo
[04:12] <AviaX> i have many evms logs in my logs directory, do i need evms? and what does it exactly?
[04:16] <neuralis> AviaX: if you're asking about it, you don't need it :)
[10:06] <mkrufky-away> infinity: are you around?
[10:07] <mkrufky> infinity: i emailed you a patch a few weeks ago....  the patch fixed stored procedures for use with php5.0.5 and mssql
[10:07] <mkrufky> infinity: dapper probably will not need that patch, because the php guys already fixed it before 5.1
[10:08] <mkrufky> infinity: my question is, when will php-mssql support be officially added to Ubuntu?
[10:41] <pivi> maybe a faq, what about additional php5 modules that are missing in ubuntu and only available in dexter repository ?
[10:52] <mkrufky> pivi: i was just talking about something similar
[10:52] <mkrufky> where is that repo?
[10:52] <mkrufky> i had to build my own php5-mssql in order to use mssql stored procedures :-/
[10:54] <pivi> http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/
[10:54] <pivi> but I'd like to find something more supported from the security point of view
[10:55] <mkrufky> ya i know what u mean
[10:55] <mkrufky> unfortunately, i cant use any of those packages there -- they dont do what i needd
[10:55] <pivi> php5.0-mssql_5.0.5-0.8~breezy1_i386.deb
[10:55] <pivi> thsi is not what are you looking for?
[10:55] <mkrufky> ?!?  how did i miss that?!?
[10:55] <mkrufky> yes
[10:56] <mkrufky> aha!  now i see it
[10:56] <mkrufky> that is great
[10:57] <mkrufky> anyway.... this might help to answer your question
[10:57] <mkrufky> AFAIK, infinity maintains the php stuff.... Last time I spoke to him, it was over a month ago, he told me that he had planned to include the other php5 stuff post-dapper
[10:58] <mkrufky> but things may have changed since then, i dunno
[10:59] <nawty> also, php5-mcrypt's gone :(
[11:01] <pivi> php5-mcrypt has never been in ubuntu
[11:06] <nawty> pivi: no, it is however in the dotdeb repo.
[11:08] <pivi> dotdeb is not only debian stable and oldstable repository ?
[11:08] <pivi> it's also in dexter repository, however
[11:12] <mkrufky> dexter's mssql is bad
[11:12] <mkrufky> i just tried
[11:12] <mkrufky> it contains the stored procedure bug
[11:12] <mkrufky> so, i have to revert back to my custom-build package
[11:15] <pdr> hey, anyone know if ubuntu will install on an ibm POWER server?
[11:16] <nawty> pivi: it is ?