[00:00] <Ow1> aaaa
[00:00] <Ow1> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:00] <Ow1> but i think at the next update they will be replaced, unless you copy them at the end of the file
[00:01] <quittt> Ow1, that's what I mean
[00:01] <quittt> Ow1, how is it configured?
[00:01] <Ow1> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:16] <nny> hmm new windows don't grab focus
[00:16] <nny> anyw ay to fix this in xfce
[00:16] <nny> ?
[00:23] <chef_> I have a old computer (200MMX 64MB ram) and would like to use it with xubuntu as a http-server without gui and also maintain it via the net
[00:23] <chef_> is xubuntu the right linux for that and if so how should I start and what things need to be done?
[00:23] <chef_> thanx for every sugestion in advance
[00:23] <bob301> Is there a performance difference between installing ubuntu and then the xubuntu package versus installing xubuntu directly?
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> chef_: if you're going no-gui, you should just use the ubuntu server cd
[00:24] <TheSheep> chef_: if you don't need gui, I'd recommend either ubuntu server or gui
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> bob301: no
[00:24] <TheSheep> chef_: sorry, or debian :)
[00:26] <bob301> OK. I'm running on a fairly old laptop (650 MHz Intel / 256 RAM) and I'm looking for improved performance from a modern Linux distro. Are there tips for improving Xubuntu, or a better distro than what I am currently using?
[00:26] <TheSheep> bob301: how experienced with linux are you?
[00:27] <bob301> I've been using Ubuntu on my main machine for about a year and a half. Xubuntu on my laptop for about 8 months. Came over as a power suer from Windows.
[00:27] <bob301> Not sure if that answers the question
[00:28] <TheSheep> bob301: what about the internals?
[00:28] <TheSheep> bob301: ever compiled a kernel?
[00:28] <bob301> I don't know how to compile a kernel, but I can follow guides and figure most stuff out
[00:29] <TheSheep> bob301: ok, you can remove the things you don't use from xubuntu
[00:30] <TheSheep> bob301: like printing, wireless, bluetooh
[00:31] <bob301> I can do this without recompiling?
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: you can try using opera instead of firefox -- it's supposed to be a little faster and lighter
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: yes, yes
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: just uninstall them in synaptic
[00:33] <TheSheep> bob301: lighter IM client is an option too, especially if you can say with jabber only
[00:33] <chef_> to TheSheep: I thougth xubuntu is the version using the least resources i thing ubuntu is not going towork on my old machine
[00:33] <bob301> I understand that I can remove the unused virtual terminals as well?
[00:33] <TheSheep> chef_: 'ubuntu server' is the 'core' ubuntu, both xubuntu and ubuntu use it as its base
[00:34] <TheSheep> bob301: they are not worth bothering -- they don't use cpu and use minimal ab\mounts of memory, most of it shared
[00:35] <bob301> Thanks for the advice. I'll start working on it.
[00:36] <TheSheep> bob301: don't remove dbus or hal
[00:38] <bob301> I'll be sure not to remove anything I don't understand
[00:39] <chef_> okay i will check it out, but before starting: what do I have to config to maintain the system via another computer?
[00:40] <TheSheep> bob301: it will probably ask you to remove xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-base or ubuntu-minimal -- these are meta packages, they are empty themselves and can be removed, as long as you don't do 'autoremove' after that
[00:41] <TheSheep> chef_: openssh-server, so that you can connect to it via ssh
[00:46] <chef_> What program do I need on the maintainer computer to use the openssh_server
[00:46] <chef_> or the ssh connection
[00:47] <TheSheep> chef_: ssh, installed by default
[00:47] <big_area> howdy all, im trying to configure conky1.4.8 and the configure script says that it cannot find my X11 installation
[00:48] <TheSheep> big_area: you probably need to install some -dev packages with header files
[00:48] <big_area> ah
[00:49] <TheSheep> xorg-xserver-dev or something
[00:49] <chef_> no I mean the windows computer with which I i maintain the server
[00:49] <TheSheep> chef_: putty is a nice ssh client for windows
[00:49] <TheSheep> chef_: but you won't be able to runn gui apps over shh from windows
[00:50] <big_area> can i just apt-get that
[00:50] <TheSheep> big_area: yes, I think best just look at what files it needs and search for them in synaptic
[00:52] <chef_> there is no need for gui: I just want the old machine to do something usefull by running a small web-server so I get to know lnux a bit more and hopefully better :-)
[00:52] <TheSheep> chef_: then putty is good. There is also winscp for copying files over ssh from windows
[00:56] <chef_> that winscp is a good tip! thx! i thought of using samba but I was never able to config it right
[00:58] <big_area> now im lacking XdbeQueryExtension
[00:58] <TheSheep> big_area: search in synaptic doesn't show anything?
[01:00] <travisbickkle> hey how do i fix the time so it uses NTP in xubuntu?
[01:00] <crimsun> it should by default.
[01:00] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: settings->time and date
[01:00] <big_area> nothing
[01:00] <travisbickkle> i don't have settings time and date
[01:01] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: are you using xubuntu?
[01:01] <travisbickkle> yup fiesty
[01:02] <travisbickkle> oh system time and date
[01:02] <travisbickkle> found it thats
[01:02] <travisbickkle> thanks*
[01:03] <travisbickkle> it says its 3:02 pm. It must not be updating and it doesn't let me manually force a sync throught the gui?
[01:03] <chef_> thanx for the help and have a nice day!
[01:04] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: maybe he timezone is not right?
[01:04] <TheSheep> big_area: try libxdb-dev
[01:05] <travisbickkle> TheSheep:No it's correct. I figure i'll just upgrade and deal with it afterwards.
[01:05] <travisbickkle> What is improved for xubuntu in gutsy gibbon or maybe i shoudln't upgrade?
[01:06] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: people report a general speedup
[01:07] <travisbickkle> Why?
[01:08] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: I suppose it's mostly because the default theme uses a faster theme engine
[01:09] <travisbickkle> Oh. Does it look the same as before though?
[01:10] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: no, I think it looks much better
[01:11] <big_area> no luck
[01:14] <travisbickkle> so how do i upgrade to gutsy?
[01:15] <travisbickkle> oh nvmind i found it.
[01:33] <big_area> wow it just wont stop giving me dependancy problems
[01:33] <big_area> says i dont have glib-2
[01:36] <TheSheep> glib2-dev
[01:36] <TheSheep> libglib2-dev
[01:36] <big_area> thanks, just found it
[01:37] <TheSheep> to compile C programs, you need to have the header files of libraries they use
[01:37] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't come with header files by default, because you are supposed to use the programs from he repositories, rather than compile them yourself
[01:38] <big_area> ah
[01:38] <TheSheep> big_area: but it is of course possible to compile them too
[01:39] <big_area> of course
[02:02] <PegLeg> damn, xubuntu runs sooo much better if you wipe out ubuntu - very low footprint
[02:02] <big_area> gracias sheep,
[02:03] <big_area> //leave
[02:06] <PegLeg> ! xset
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xset - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <nny> how do I remove some saved programs from startup? getting multiple instances running from a saved session
[04:02] <nny> nm foudn it
[05:12] <toxop1asma> not a lively channel, is it
[05:12] <toxop1asma> i guess no one ever has problems with xubuntu
[06:15] <moebius8> hi new user here getting ready to install on an old compaq i think i have down what i need to do for my wireless card but does anyone know if theres any special steps i need to take to get my dfe-670 lan card to work also?
[06:16] <moebius8> oh this is a laptop btw :)
[06:21] <The-Kernel> have you seen if it works? Or are you just asking if it does
[06:22] <moebius8> no im just asking if anyone had experience with it in general
[06:22] <moebius8> i cant find it listed anywhere on google sadly other than debian seems to support it
[06:27] <The-Kernel> moebius8 it is most likely supported
[06:28] <moebius8> kk i thought it was myself lol ill find out in a bit
[06:30] <moebius8> also this is a general question does gnome really use up enough resources to tax a 16 meg agp chipset? i would prefer to install the normal ubuntu distro but all the advice ive gotten says it would run badly if at all given the limited amount of video ram
[06:31] <moebius8> but ive seen gnome installed on systems with a 4meg pci sis card granted it didnt look all that inspiring but it ran
[07:28] <Inuyasha32246> hi all
[07:28] <Pferdefreund> Guten abend ist hier wer aus deutschland
[07:29] <Inuyasha32246> ello?
[09:28] <htraki> hi,everyone
[09:28] <htraki> I would like to know ENE CB 712/4 card reader works with gusty?
[13:08] <loak> Hello all, After a fresh install of xubuntu, everything is fine, but after few minutes my screen is black, a move of the mouse make it come back, it seems to be something with power management, but I can't  find a menu to set it, any idea ?
[13:12] <pleia2> loak: try the screensaver settings
[13:14] <loak> pleia2: I've tried, I can make the screen saver come before the screen goes black, but after the same time, it becomes black again
[13:25] <thnee> can i make thunar show total size of all items in a folder on the folder?
[13:47] <Woodruff_> is there much diffrence between ubuntu and xubuntu in user use ?
[13:47] <vinze> Well, yeah...
[13:47] <nanonyme> as much as there is difference between gnome and xfce
[13:53] <Woodruff_> whats the diffrence?
[13:53] <vinze> The whole environment...
[13:53] <vinze> Too much to name, actually
[13:53] <nanonyme> you'd have to try both, really
[13:55] <Woodruff_> i am installing xubuntu now as ubuntu was too heavy on my laptop
[13:55] <Woodruff_> i need it mostly for development of java
[13:56] <Woodruff_> so just wanted to know what to look for
[13:56] <Woodruff_> will i still have the same application manager add/remove installer?
[13:56] <vinze> Yeah
[13:56] <Woodruff_> since i am realy new to linux
[13:56] <vinze> Most of Ubuntu's nifty tools are still there
[13:58] <Woodruff_> plus i had some problem with my wireless connection
[13:58] <vinze> Which version?
[13:58] <vinze> (Of Ubuntu and Xubuntu)
[13:58] <Woodruff_> i searched google and saw some post saying about installing NDISWrapper
[13:58] <Woodruff_> i had problems with the ubuntu version
[13:58] <Woodruff_> its an IBM Laptop
[13:59] <vinze> But was it Ubuntu 7.10? And which version of Xubuntu are you installing now?
[13:59] <Woodruff_> the latest
[13:59] <Woodruff_> 7.10
[13:59] <Woodruff_> i think
[13:59] <vinze> OK
[13:59] <Woodruff_> can it be working now ?
[13:59] <vinze> And when you click the NetworkManager icon, is your wireless network visible?
[14:00] <Woodruff_> it is and i see my network
[14:00] <Woodruff_> and i actually managed to connect one time
[14:00] <vinze> Then there is no need to install Ndiswrapper
[14:00] <Woodruff_> but most of the times it ask me for a key and password
[14:00] <Woodruff_> when this is a open network
[14:00] <Woodruff_> and no key pass is needed
[14:00] <vinze> You can try using "Manual configuration...", that is what I did to make it work
[14:01] <Woodruff_> i tried it
[14:01] <Woodruff_> just asked me to write the name
[14:01] <Woodruff_> i think its a driver problem
[14:01] <vinze> Well, if it can see networks then the driver works I suppopse
[14:01] <Woodruff_> well but it connected one time
[14:01] <vinze> So why didn't just setting the name work?
[14:01] <Woodruff_> and now it asks me for WAP
[14:01] <Woodruff_> or some password
[14:02] <Woodruff_> and a key
[14:02] <Woodruff_> even that my network is open for use
[14:02] <vinze> ...so why didn't just setting the name work?
[14:02] <Woodruff_> it didnt connect
[14:03] <Woodruff_> i dont why
[14:03] <vinze> Odd...
[14:03] <vinze> Well, of course you could *try* using the Windows driver
[14:03] <Woodruff_> yes.. i will try it again when xubuntu installation finish and let you know
[14:03] <vinze> OK
[14:03] <Woodruff_> thanks :)
[14:19] <Woodruff_> ok
[14:19] <Woodruff_> when i click "Manual Configuration
[14:19] <Woodruff_> it starts the network setting screen
[14:19] <vinze> Yes
[14:19] <Woodruff_> how do i add my wireless network
[14:19] <Woodruff_> ?
[14:19] <vinze> You select "Wireless connection", then click "Properties"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ok done
[14:20] <vinze> Then uncheck "Enable roaming mode"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> i dismarked the "roaming mode"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> uncheck
[14:20] <vinze> OK
[14:20] <vinze> Then you can enter your network's name and click OK
[14:20] <Woodruff_> but it ask me for some other information
[14:20] <vinze> Oh, and set Configuration to "Automatic Configuration" (unless you want something else)
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ahh
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ok
[14:21] <vinze> You should then be able to click OK
[14:21] <Woodruff_> yes
[14:21] <Woodruff_> now i am back to that screen of settings
[14:21] <vinze> Now, make sure the checkbox in front of "Wireless connection" is checked
[14:21] <Woodruff_> it does
[14:22] <vinze> Did it show a progress bar saying it is configuring your network? If not, uncheck the box and re-check it again
[14:22] <Woodruff_> ok its "Changing interface configuration"
[14:23] <vinze> OK, when that's done you can click Close and your internet connection should work
[14:23] <Woodruff_> done it and now its back to settings
[14:23] <Woodruff_> yep
[14:23] <Woodruff_> working
[14:23] <vinze> Yay!
[14:23] <Woodruff_> Thanks alot vinze
[14:23] <vinze> np :)\
[14:25] <Woodruff_> i dont see however the Application add/remove thing
[14:25] <vinze> It's under Applications->System->Add/Remove...
[14:26] <Woodruff_> ahh ok thanks
[14:26] <Woodruff_> will play abit with it
[14:29] <Woodruff_> any idea how to install the Java JRE as the sudo apt-get install isnt working ?
[14:30] <vinze> Search Add/Remove... for java (be sure to select "All Available Applications" in the top-right drop-down menu)
[14:31] <Anarchtic_> anyone know why ubuntu still uses beta gimp
[14:32] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: because they didn't release before ubuntu was released
[14:32] <Anarchtic_> well how would i go about updating it
[14:32] <Woodruff_> humm its saying "The list of applications is not available"
[14:32] <vinze> Why would you? Are you experiencing problems?
[14:32] <Woodruff_> and i press refresh but it still wouldnt let me mark it
[14:33] <vinze> Woodruff_, try opening the Synaptic Package Manager and clicking "Reload"
[14:33] <Anarchtic_> no i just have a thing about having the latest software
[14:33] <vinze> O crap
[14:33] <vinze> Anarchtic_, perhaps a package is available on getdeb.net
[14:33] <Woodruff_> how do i do it?
[14:33] <vinze> Woodruff_, sorry, no idea :(
[14:33] <Anarchtic_> oh ya =] i fogot about that site, ily VINZE
[14:33] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: that's silly, here's the list of differences: http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.4
[14:34] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: I doubt you really need any of these
[14:34] <Anarchtic_> another thing does anyone have a nice profile i can use for compiz fusion
[14:35] <vinze> Anarchtic_, I can try uploading mine, wait a sec
[14:35] <Anarchtic_> ok
[14:35] <Woodruff_> ok found it
[14:37] <vinze> Anarchtic_, http://www.filegunner.net/uploadedfiles/802633cf_vincent.profile
[14:37] <vinze> Woodruff_, how did you solve it?
[14:38] <Woodruff_> i didnt
[14:38] <Anarchtic_> sweet ill try it
[14:38] <Woodruff_> its still not working
[14:38] <Woodruff_> but i did found the synaptic manager
 ok found it
[14:38] <vinze> Oh...
[14:38] <vinze> Most adminstration stuff is in Applications->System
[14:58] <Anarchtic_> whats a good place to get themes
[14:59] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce-look.org
[14:59] <vinze> Anarchtic_, I got mine from http://themes.beryl-project.org/ (if you mean Emerald themes)
[14:59] <Anarchtic_> ty both of you
[15:00] <vinze> Which did you mean? I assumed Emerald because I'm busy with that atm :P
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> not emerald
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> i wanted more meta themes
[15:01] <vinze> Meta?
[15:01] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce doesn't do meta
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> but is there more emerald themes on that site thats not in there repo
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> well what is it then
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> gtk?
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce has gtk and window manager themes
[15:02] <Anarchtic_> well thats what i need something to match my emerald theme
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: gtk styles the general looks of widgets and generally window contents, window manager themes style the window borders
[15:02] <Woodruff_> lol solved it vinze
[15:02] <Woodruff_> i had to unmark the comments in the sources.list file
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: that'd be gtk
[15:02] <Woodruff_> thats why it wasnt working
[15:03] <vinze> Woodruff_, cool :)
[15:03] <Anarchtic_> ok and good job woodruff
[15:09] <Anarchtic_> how would i go about installing candido
[15:09] <Anarchtic_> the engine
[15:09] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: look for it in he repos?
[15:09] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: if it's not there, look for a deb
[15:10] <Anarchtic_> ok
[15:51] <Sahil> hey i dont have a volume icon in Xubuntu 7.10
[15:51] <Sahil> what can i do?
[15:54] <Sahil> anyone??
[15:55] <somerville32> Sahil, Hi
[15:55] <Sahil> hi :)
[15:55] <somerville32> Right click panel, add new item
[15:55] <somerville32> And than select the volume control applet
[15:55] <somerville32> :)
[15:55] <Sahil> yeah i tried that, nothing happens :(
[15:56] <Sahil> i dunno why it went away all of a sudden, and the only way to adjust the sound is to run alsamixer in the terminal and adjust it from there
[15:56] <somerville32> Try: alt + F2
[15:57] <Sahil> yeah a box popped open
[15:57] <R[a]ndom> why not just add the volume control plugin to the panel?
[15:57] <somerville32> Enter killall xfce4-mixer
[15:57] <somerville32> And then hit enter
[15:57] <somerville32> And then try adding it again in the panel
[15:57] <R[a]ndom> cause im an idiot ignore me
[15:58] <Sahil> HEY IT WORKED!!!
[15:58] <Sahil> you smart lil cookie
[15:58] <somerville32> :)
[15:59] <The-Kernel> wow
[15:59] <The-Kernel> what's with all the sarcasm this morning?
[15:59] <somerville32> I don't think he or she was being sarcastic, lol
[15:59] <Sahil> its night where i am :)
[15:59] <Sahil> nope i wasnt
[15:59] <The-Kernel> well
[15:59] <The-Kernel> ironic
[16:00] <somerville32> :)
[16:00]  * somerville32 sings the happy happy song for everyone's enjoyment.
[16:00] <Sahil> man sometimes i feel so stupid when people solve my problems so easily
[16:00] <somerville32> Sahil, That wasn't "easy".
[16:00] <The-Kernel> This time change thing is making me get up so early
[16:01] <somerville32> Sahil, It is completely understandable that you wouldn't have thought about killing the process when you didn't even think it was running (heck, you might not even know what that means!)
[16:01] <somerville32> And it isn't expected of you. Things in *ubuntu should just work and we try our best to provide that :)
[16:01] <Sahil> nope i knew what it meant
[16:01] <Sahil> i have done it with my panels
[16:02]  * somerville32 nods.
[16:02] <somerville32> Welp, if it happens again, you know what to try! :)
[16:02] <Sahil> definately, i just switched to xubuntu last night lol, and i was messing with some files today
[16:02] <Sahil> crossed over from ubuntu
[16:02] <somerville32> If you run into any problems, make sure to file bug reports :)
[16:03] <Sahil> allrighty im off to dinner, ill be in here a lot now
[16:03] <Sahil> peace
[16:04] <somerville32> :)
[16:20] <ader10> I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and gnome is overriding some of xfce's things (like metacity vs xfwm4) making a very unintegrated desktop. How do I stop gnome from taking over xfce?
[16:26] <ader10> Yeah, guys. Thanks for ignoring me. You're all real helpful.
[16:27] <somerville32> ader10, Hi
[16:27] <somerville32> How did you install xfce4?
[16:28] <ader10> aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[16:28] <somerville32> And when you login, you've selected the Xfce4 desktop from the sessions menu, right?
[16:28] <ader10> Correct
[16:30] <somerville32> Maybe the install didn't fully complete as you're the first person I've seen report this inconsistency
[16:30] <ader10> I'll try again, one moment
[16:30] <somerville32> Thank you.
[16:30] <needcoffee> hi, werden die lesezeichen von thunar (in der seitenleiste) irgendwo in einer rc datei oder sowas gespeichert?
[16:30] <somerville32> !dutch
[16:30] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[16:31] <needcoffee> ist's a english channel?
[16:31] <needcoffee> *is it
[16:31] <ader10> david@david-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[16:31] <ader10> ...
[16:31] <ader10> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[16:31] <ader10> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:31] <ader10> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[16:31] <somerville32> needcoffee, This is an english channel.
[16:31] <gerro> hello everyone
[16:32] <needcoffee> somerville32, ah ok...is there a rc file or similar where thunar stores the bookmarks from the sidepane?
[16:32] <ader10> (means it's installed completely)
[16:33] <gerro> needcoffee: all the stuff related to thunar is under .xfce I think
[16:33] <needcoffee> gerro, i'll check this, thank you
[16:33] <gerro> needcoffee: could try ls -a to check
[16:34] <somerville32> ader10, Try: dpkg -C
[16:35] <ader10> Nothing happens :P
[16:35] <needcoffee> gerro, there are some files unter ~/.config/Thunar, but none of them stores informations about the bookmarks used in the sidepane
[16:36] <gerro> yep .config just found it myself
[16:36] <gerro> needcoffee: see if thunar gui has any extra options and if not, might want to try compiling your own copy
[16:37] <ader10> Maybe the session entry is wrong...
[16:37] <gerro> I got a lot of junk in my /home I've got to dump
[16:37] <needcoffee> :)
[16:37] <ader10> I don't know how to check it though.
[16:38] <needcoffee> i would like to change the icons of the bookmarks and maybe remove the text (describtion) of them...but...hmm, seems not possible
[16:39] <ader10> Be right back
[16:42] <ader10> This is making me pretty confused and mad...
[16:42] <ader10> I don't know how to fix it.
[16:43] <ader10> sudo dpkg -C doesn't do anything.
[16:43] <somerville32> ader10, 1 second
[16:44] <somerville32> Try apt-get install xfwm4
[16:44] <ader10> xfwm4 is already the newest version.
[16:44] <ader10> xfwm4 set to manual installed.
[16:45] <somerville32> TheSheep, ping
[16:49] <somerville32> ader10, I'm sure TheSheep can help you when he wakes up :)
[16:49] <somerville32> ader10, But I think you're right
[16:49] <needcoffee> ader10, whats the problem?
[16:50] <ader10> I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and now I'm logging in w/ xfce session as default, but gnome things keep replacing xfce things, like xfwm4 vs metacity
[16:51] <ader10> I want to stop gnome from overriding xfce
[16:51] <needcoffee> have you removed gnome, or do you want to keep it?
[16:52] <ader10> I've tried to remove gnome.
[16:52] <ader10> I can't find out how on the forums or on google
[16:52] <ader10> any ideas?
[16:53] <needcoffee> i do the same some times ago (from ubuntu > xubuntu)...i just removed the ubuntu-desktop and the gnome -desktop files
[16:53] <ader10> Tell me how you did
[16:54] <needcoffee> try sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment
[16:54] <ader10> gnome-desktop-environment isn't installed but it's removing gnome-desktop-data
[16:55] <TheSheep> somerville32: hm?
[16:55] <ader10> wait a little
[16:55] <somerville32> TheSheep, ader10 needs help :)
[16:55] <needcoffee> it will remove some other files, maybe take a look at the list before type in "y"...maybe it will remove gdm, too, so keep a look and reinstall it if you wish
[16:55] <ader10> yeah
[16:55] <ader10> I'll keep that in mind
[16:55] <ader10> good, nothing vital is removed
[16:56] <ader10> should I ctrl-alt-backspace and do a new session?
[16:56] <needcoffee> try if you like
[16:56] <ader10> ok brb
[16:57] <TheSheep> ader10: wha seems to be the problem?
[16:57] <TheSheep> ...
[16:58] <needcoffee> TheSheep, maybe you can give me a hint...i'm trying to change the icons for bookmarks in the sidepane but can't find any rc file or similar to do so
[16:58] <needcoffee> ader10, works?
[16:58] <ader10> Wonderful, no gnome stuff but some xfce stuff doesn't load
[16:59] <needcoffee> which?
[16:59] <ader10> I don't know what it's called :P I have to go to the desktop prefrences and check the "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing.
[17:00] <needcoffee> ader10, have you installed the xfce4-mcs-manager and xfce4-mcs-plugins...regarding the  "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing, ihave no clue what you mean ^^
[17:01] <ader10> needcoffee: Assuming you're on xubuntu and xfce is working fine, right click the desktop and click Desktop Settings.
[17:01] <ader10> From there, at the top, there's a check box
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> how much HDD space does Xubuntu takje up?
[17:02] <ader10> needcoffee: I have the xfce4-mcs* stuff installed
[17:02] <ader10> PuppiesAtWork: A bit less than ubuntu
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> like
[17:02] <needcoffee> ader10, i'm not on xfce at the moment, i'm using ion right now
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> i need one that installs to under a gig
[17:02] <somerville32> PuppiesAtWork, no go :)
[17:02] <ader10> PuppiesAtWork: I don't think xubuntu is that small
[17:03] <PuppiesAtWork> how can I make it so open office and none of the extras are instaled?
[17:03] <zoredache> don't install the xubuntu-desktop package...  manually install only the things you need
[17:03] <ader10> needcoffee: What's the desktop manager for xfce?
[17:03] <zoredache> the install is a lot more challenging though
[17:03] <needcoffee> ader10, ah, i think i get what you mean...do you want xfce to handle the desktop (icons etc.)?!
[17:03] <ader10> yes
[17:04] <needcoffee> ader10, it's xfwm4
[17:04] <somerville32> Actually, it is xfdesktop
[17:04] <somerville32> xfwm4 is the window manager
[17:04] <ader10> That's what I though
[17:04] <ader10> thought
[17:04] <somerville32> And I think ader10 already has xfdesktop4 enabled
[17:05] <ader10> I have it enabled but it doesn't automatically start
[17:05] <ader10> Can I assume that it'll start automatically from now on now that gnome's gone?
[17:05] <nny> is there a way to connect to ssh/ smb file shares with thunar?
[17:05] <zoredache> PuppiesAtWork: why do you need an install like that anyway?  Why not just use the livecd?
[17:05] <somerville32> ader10, If you logout normally, it'll boot next time
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> zoredache: so i can play counter strike
[17:05] <somerville32> nny, no
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> i only have 4.9GB of space on the partition though
[17:05] <somerville32> nny, Not directly
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> and CS takes up like 3.5
[17:05] <ader10> somerville32: Ok, brb
[17:05] <nny> eww
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, thats a big gap
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, Not really :/
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, whats the indirect route?
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, Fuse hack
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, yeah it is if you deal with scp over ssh and smb shares in a network
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, There are other tools available
[17:06] <nny> what tools are you suggesting?
[17:07] <ader10> It doesn't start automatically
[17:07] <needcoffee> 1 sec pls
[17:07] <somerville32> ader10, Slap your computer. It is misbehaving
[17:07] <ader10> somerville32: Err, now the screen just went all yellow
[17:07] <ader10> xD j/k
[17:08] <somerville32> nny, I don't have a recommendation but you should be able to find a few in add/remove
[17:08] <ader10> brb, gonna try a few more things
[17:08] <somerville32> ader10, You just about gave me a heat attack :P
[17:09] <somerville32> Welcome back ader10 :)
[17:09] <ader10> Okay, I checked the "automatically save session on logout" and it works!
[17:09] <ader10> Thanks guys
[17:09] <somerville32> :D
[17:09] <needcoffee> \o/ super
[17:09] <somerville32> ader10, Feel free to hang around! :)
[17:09] <ader10> 2nd time I ever got help out of the zillions on irc
[17:10]  * ader10 hands everybody a cookie
[17:10] <needcoffee> tatsty ;)
[17:10] <needcoffee> *tasty
[17:10] <ader10> Now, I can either have my desktop icons or conky. I prefer my icons...
[17:10] <nny> meh/me quietly scratches one off for xfce
[17:11] <ader10> conky draws to the root window, can I make it draw to xfce?
[17:11] <needcoffee> ader10, you can have both (conky and icons), just place conky on the right of your screen
[17:12] <needcoffee> ader10, give conky a own window without any decorations
[17:12] <ader10> When I start conky from the terminal (with or without the &) it removes the icons
[17:13] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:13] <needcoffee> have you try "own_window  yes" in your .conkyrc
[17:14] <ader10> Haha, now it's got window decorations
[17:14] <needcoffee> own_window_type normal
[17:14] <needcoffee> own_window_hints undecorate,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
[17:14] <needcoffee> try this ;)
[17:15] <ader10> Sweet, thanks!
[17:15] <needcoffee> no problem :)
[17:15] <ader10> I've been trying for ages to figure out how to do vertical lines in conky
[17:15] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:15] <needcoffee> i just do them with |
[17:16] <ader10> Yeah, I'm trying that but it breaks at the top and bottom if I have it span across 2 lines
[17:16] <ader10> I'm trying voffset right now but it's gonna take forever
[17:17] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:18] <Curley_Sue> hi all, is there any difference (in performance, not HD occupation) between xubuntu sessions whether it was installed from the xubuntu cd or from ubuntu + xubuntu-desktop package?
[17:19] <ader10> Curley_Sue: Probaly nothing noticable
[17:19] <needcoffee> not really, i guess @ Curley_Sue
[17:20] <ader10> Is there any way to view all my fonts in one place in xubuntu?
[17:20] <ader10> nautilus had fonts:///
[17:21] <Curley_Sue> ader10: thanx
[17:21] <needcoffee> ader10, i don't think so...maybe try a fontmanager like waterfall or similar
[17:23] <ader10> sweet, thanks. Waterfall is great.
[17:23] <ader10> funny how it looks like a waterfall
[17:24] <needcoffee> :)
[17:28]  * R[a]ndom checks out waterfall
[17:28]  * R[a]ndom needs coffee as well
[17:29]  * ader10 can't get addicted to coffee :<
[17:29] <R[a]ndom> I just finished roasting. letting 'em cool before making a batch
[17:29] <R[a]ndom> ader10, why not?
[17:29] <ader10> R[a]ndom: I don't know why, but I had it for 2 years and the stopped for a year w/o any problems
[17:30] <mindframe-> how do i configure apt to use a socks5 proxy?
[17:30] <R[a]ndom> ader10, oh. I thought you meant you wouldn't drink coffee for fear of an addiction
[17:30] <ader10> :D
[17:30] <Curley_Sue> ader10: you said "nothing noticable" - what are the differeces (I'm interested as it is for a somewhat low resources machine - pentium III 500MHz)
[17:30] <R[a]ndom> I havent had coffee since thursday, so I cant be hooked too badly.
[17:31] <somerville32> Curley_Sue, I'm currently on a 333mhz w/ 192mb of ram
[17:31] <R[a]ndom> wow.
[17:31] <jacob> hi u'all . just a quick question if anyone knows. - i have a TEW-424UB wireless card. I got it running with ndiswrapper. But all i wuold like to ask is if i have to install "WPA supplicant" to get it running on a WPA encypted network?! It says it supports WPA network on the box ... But i hav'nt testet it yet... any one knows?
[17:32] <ader10> Curley_Sue: As long as you don't have gnome services running that do the same thing as xfce you're fine
[17:57] <zeroflag> how can I make sure that the headers in /usr/src/linux match my kernel's version?
[18:05] <gerro> zeroflag: your kernel is the package linux-image- and it can be listed by doing uname -a
[18:40] <Woodruff_> is it normal to see my windows volume on my xubuntu dekstop ?
[18:40] <Woodruff_> in dual boot
[18:41] <tortho> Woodruff_: not sure about xubuntu as I dont dual boot anymore... but Ubuntu did that earlier..
[18:41] <needcoffee> jep, since gutsy
[18:41] <ader10> mpd is awesome.
[18:42] <needcoffee> *agree
[18:42] <ader10> client?
[18:42] <needcoffee> sonata
[18:42] <tortho> anyone experiencing trouble with cpu fan in gutsy (not spinning.. or just spinning slow and temperatures up to 80 degr..)
[18:42] <ader10> sonata's nice
[18:42] <ader10> I'd like an easy console client
[18:42] <needcoffee> ncmpc
[18:43] <gerro> tortho: what sort of comp you using?
[18:43] <ader10> trying it out
[18:43] <ader10> ncmpc looks easy :D
[18:43] <tortho> gerro: Dell inspiron 9300 laptop..
[18:44] <ader10> How do I update in ncmpc
[18:45] <gerro> tortho: what sort of processor and graphics cards? how big is it? have you applied any thermal lube? do you use a docking station? how many vents does it have? are you using the right adapter?
[18:45] <needcoffee> ader10, update what?
[18:45] <ader10> the song db
[18:46] <needcoffee> ader10, i don't know, just update the mpd db
[18:46] <gerro> tortho: what does acpi -t display? up around 80? Is that only while compiling or when ordinary use?
[18:46] <ader10> ok
[18:47] <tortho> gerro: I had Ubuntu gutsy installed, but cpu freq scaling, ati graphic accel. ...copiz etc did not work as expected.. I thought I'd try something light and get the speed and stability up.. I then installed xubuntu and now freq scaling works, graphics is ok, but cpu fan does not work as it did in ubuntu.. :-)
[18:47] <gerro> tortho: did you use the alternate xubuntu cd?
[18:48] <tortho> gerro: it is when I give it high load.. did try boinc and it sent it up ti 1,9ghz and temperature some minues later showed 79degr... and fan just slowlly spinning.
[18:48] <tortho> gerro: no, fresh install from the live cd, and left everything to xubuntu to decide.
[18:48] <gerro> boinc?
[18:49] <tortho> gerro: acpi -t does at the moment show ok 41degrC and battery fully charged..
[18:49] <tortho> gerro: some seti@home, / world community grid .... just to give it a lot of load... numbercrunching...
[18:50] <needcoffee> ader10, you press 1 for help in ncmpc
[18:50] <tortho> gerro: it has never before been more than 60 or 65 degr... then the fan kicks in and it sounds like a helicopter take off--- but not in xubuntu
[18:50] <needcoffee> ader10, ups, you can update with ctrl+u
[18:50] <ader10> ty
[18:52] <gerro> tortho: perhaps it hasn't been needing to use the fan at full force. I think there is a way to set when it does though in the acpi config
[18:53] <gerro> tortho: I didn't phrase that quite right, what I mean is do you really want it sounding that loud?
[18:54] <needcoffee> ader10, i was a little bit "out of knowlege"...short: press 3 > navigate to playlist, folder or file and press space (adds the selection to the playlist) > hit enter and listen ^^
[18:54] <needcoffee> ader10, hit 2 before enter..i forget ^^
[18:56] <gerro> needcoffee: and that is why I hate music ^^
[18:56] <tortho> gerro:I want it as loud as needed to avoid burning up my cpu... a centrino processor at 80 degr.C is not good.. If needed full speed at 65 degr. as ubuntu gutsy does.... I just don't understand why there should be any difference... these base packages should be the same..
[18:56] <needcoffee> gerro, why?
[18:57] <gerro> needcoffee: dunno you lost me somewhere in that convo
[18:57] <needcoffee> gerro, maybe?! *i'm confused right now* ^^
[18:59] <ader10> I did chmod -xR Folder and now I don't have permissions to open it up.
[18:59] <ader10> What's wrong?
[19:00] <ader10> I mean -x -R
[19:01] <gerro> ader10: your victim has to be prone in order to do the playlist combo fatality :) no but seriously might want to try ls -l to see who owns the folder then chown user folder
[19:01] <needcoffee> hmm...seems you've changed the permission to execute only
[19:02] <ader10> I own it
[19:02] <needcoffee> how does the permission looks like?
[19:02] <ader10> drwxr-xr-x  2 david david      4096 2007-10-20 09:35 Templates
[19:02] <ader10> that's after I reverted it
[19:03] <needcoffee> seems to be ok
[19:03] <needcoffee> try a refresh
[19:04] <needcoffee> you should have full permission to do anything in that folder if you are david ^^
[19:04] <somerville32> - removes permissions
[19:04] <somerville32> + adds them
[19:04] <ader10> Yes.
[19:05] <somerville32> sooki, what are you trying to do anyhow?
[19:05] <somerville32> er..
[19:05] <somerville32> sorry sooki, stupid auto-nick-completion
[19:05] <needcoffee> its user-group-others, so the rights should be fine
[19:06]  * gerro pulls out his chmod calculator (graphing support yay)
[19:06] <somerville32> tuna, bumblebee tuna? :)
[19:06]  * ader10 pulls out his chown calculater (first person shooter support yay) :D
[19:06] <somerville32> :D
[19:06] <tuna> wah?
[19:06] <somerville32> tuna, it is a song :) Pretty awesome one at that.
[19:07] <gerro> somerville32: I thought it was a brand of canned tuna?
[19:07] <somerville32> gerro, I imagine it might be too! :)
[19:07] <gerro> somerville32: I never liked that kind always gave me a stomach ache
[19:07] <evil_tech> mesaskaphiles
[19:07] <evil_tech> meskaphiles
[19:08] <evil_tech> damn i cant spell
[19:08] <evil_tech> song rocks though
[19:08]  * somerville32 moves to #xubuntu-offtopic to talk more about tuna! :)
[19:45] <Helvix> =]
[19:45] <Helvix> why does my screen blacks out when the gui part of the installation starts?
[19:47] <somerville32> Sounds like a bug! :)
[19:49] <Helvix> !
[19:49] <Helvix> I have an nvidia gfx card though
[19:49] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> I've tried all the variations of ubuntu like kubuntu and real ubuntu too
[19:50] <Helvix> when my system goes to the gui part the screen blacks out
[19:50] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> even linuxmind too did the same
[19:50] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> sorry its linuxmint actually
[19:52] <somerville32> Helvix, Please search for an existing bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net
[19:52] <Helvix> will do
[19:52] <Helvix> =]
[19:52] <somerville32> Thank you! :)
[19:57] <Helvix> wow!
[19:57] <Helvix> I actually found a section on this problem :-)
[19:57] <somerville32> :)
[20:12] <sammy> how can I make iso file of a dvd?
[20:13] <sammy> my one comp doesn't have a dvd drive
[20:15] <Helvix> okay,thank you very much somerville32, lets see if it works to solve my problem :-)
[20:15] <somerville32> Helvix, I hope so! :)
[20:17] <evil_tech> sammy: what exactly are you trying to do
[20:18] <sammy> evil_tech: make an iso of a dvd and transfer it over nfs to other comp that doesn't have dvd player and mount it with gmountiso
[20:18] <somerville32> Use dd
[20:19] <somerville32> Or I'm sure there is an application you can use
[20:19] <evil_tech> brasero
[20:19] <sammy> does brasero do that though?
[20:19] <evil_tech> yes
[20:19] <evil_tech> tell it to copy the disc and make an image only
[20:19] <sammy> ah I see thx
[20:19] <evil_tech> there is a tab to select where you want the image to be stored otherwise the default is /tmp
[20:20] <sammy> found this nice isomaster app looks good for making livecds
[20:20] <sammy> ok
[20:20] <sammy> 4.4gb image :( think I'll go watch a movie and see about getting some dinner perhaps
[21:30] <somerville32> TheSheep, ping.
[21:32] <TheSheep> pong
[21:35] <somerville32> TheSheep, Come join me in -devel
[22:31] <zoredache> !dual
[22:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:35] <zoredache> anyone have a good up-to-date references on setting up a dual-head system with a nvidia card, and an intel?  Most of the hits I find on google are for breezy,dapper,etc
[22:43] <TheSheep> !twinview | zoredache
[22:43] <ubotu> zoredache: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[22:43] <TheSheep> !dualhead | zoredache
[22:43] <ubotu> zoredache: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[22:43] <TheSheep> zoredache: these topics are pretty general, I don't think much changed
[23:51] <ochosi> hi, i'm having troubles with installing emerald. i upgraded today from feisty to gutsy and had beryl and emerald working before. now i'm using compiz fusion (which is also doing fine) but for some reason emerald is not being found in my repos. apt-get says " Package emerald has no installation candidate". what could that be?
[23:55] <TheSheep> !info emerald
[23:55] <ubotu> emerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB
[23:55] <TheSheep> ochosi: you need the universe repository enabled


[13:51] <AskUbuntu> Juju - Installing ceph and ceph-osd charms on same machine? | http://askubuntu.com/q/343349
[16:47] <kentb> probably been asked a million times, but, when will 1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0ubuntu1~12.04.2 come out of proposed for 12.04?
[16:53] <allenap> roaksoax: The fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1204507 (empty files) doesn't seem to be available for Precise. Do you know if there's an SRU in progress for it?
[16:55] <roaksoax> allenap: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0ubuntu1~12.04.2
[16:58] <allenap> roaksoax: The empty files fix was in r1378, but that indicates that it's only 1373. Have I misunderstood?
[16:58] <allenap> In lp:maas/1.2
[17:00] <roaksoax> allenap:  Merged into lp:maas/1.2 at revision 1378
[17:00] <roaksoax> allenap: yeah that's right
[17:00] <allenap> roaksoax: I have to go, but I'll be back in ~2h, and I'll catch up with you then.
[17:00] <roaksoax> but we don't sru new branch release
[17:00] <roaksoax> we cherry pick
[17:00] <roaksoax> and SRU patches
[17:01] <roaksoax> 99_filestorage_empty_files_lp1204507.patch: Fix to allow the storage of empty files when using Juju Go, otherwise machines will fail to bootstrap. (LP: #1204507)
[17:01] <allenap> roaksoax: What does the bzr1373 in the package version refer to?
[17:01] <roaksoax> allenap: that;'s the released version of maas in precise
[17:01] <allenap> roaksoax: Does that refer to a branch revision anywhere?
[17:01] <roaksoax> allenap: yes, that's the branch revision of maas 1.2
[17:02] <roaksoax> allenap: that's what was  in raring at a certain point that got backported into preciuse/quantal
[17:02] <allenap> roaksoax: Right, so in Precise is 1.2 at r1373 plus some patches?
[17:02] <roaksoax> allenap: yep
[17:02] <roaksoax> allenap: so precise is 1.2 r1373 + all the bugfixes that had been SRU'd
[17:03] <allenap> roaksoax: Okay, thanks for that.
[17:03]  * allenap really goes.
[17:27] <kentb> roaksoax: so when will r1373 go from -proposed to into -updates?
[17:32] <roaksoax> kentb: when someone other than me verifies that all the fixes are ok and cause no regressions
[17:34] <kentb> roaksoax: got it :) hasn't regressed anything for me (yet) if that counts for something.  I can update the bug report at least with what I was able to observe.
[18:05] <roaksoax> 2013-09-09 14:04:35.328307 7f6b93088700 -1 monclient(hunting): ERROR: missing keyring, cannot use cephx for authentication
[18:05] <roaksoax> 2013-09-09 14:04:35.328607 7f6b93088700  0 librados: client.admin initialization error (2) No such file or directory
[18:05] <roaksoax> Error connecting to cluster: ObjectNotFound


[08:27] <ytubu> こんにちは
[15:13] <yao_ziyuan> hi! does anyone know a laptop lighter than Panasonic RZ4C (745g)?


[00:00] <Quintasan> I'm not a native speaker but Installing sounds kind of strange to me
[00:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: How does one access qa.kubuntu.co.uk?
[00:14] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: change Installing to Installation?
[03:08] <manchicken> So... quiet...
[03:33] <manchicken> Anybody know anything about CUnit?
[03:34] <manchicken> I'm having a super-fun time with the test suite runner giving me error code 20 but error message saying "No error"
[03:34] <ScottK> manchicken: Did you mail the Debian maintainer?
[03:34] <manchicken> Not yet.
[03:34] <manchicken> You were totally right about the version.
[03:34] <ScottK> That's better than it was doing yesterday, right?
[03:34] <manchicken> I was kinda banking on the off-chance that someone had pre-existing familiarity with the package :)
[03:35] <manchicken> Yes
[03:35] <manchicken> Yesterday it was segfaulting.
[03:35] <manchicken> Turns out that was a incompatibility in readlink in OS X and GNU/Linux :)
[03:35] <manchicken> My fault on that one :)
[03:35] <ScottK> Happens.
[03:35] <manchicken> Yup.
[03:36] <manchicken> I guess I'll have to email the maintainer.
[03:38] <jono> hey ScottK
[03:38] <jono> quick q: who is the Kubuntu project leader currently?
[03:38] <jono> is it Riddell?
[03:39] <ScottK> Yes, although we don't really have a single leader.  It's the Kubuntu Council as a collective.
[03:39] <jono> gotcha
[03:39] <ScottK> From a "product manager" perspective he's it and I'm the assistant.
[03:39] <jono> of course
[03:39] <jono> thanks
[03:49] <manchicken> ScottK: Oh, you've been promoted since last I was around?
[03:49] <manchicken> :)
[03:49] <ScottK> Tenure eventually pays off.
[03:50] <manchicken> Big pay raise, too, I imagine? :)
[03:50] <ScottK> Double.
[03:50] <manchicken> Hot damn.
[03:50] <ScottK> Two times nothing is still nothing ...
[03:51] <manchicken> Quick! What's the hotkey similar to alt-tab for activities?
[03:51] <ScottK> Don't use activities.  No idea.
[03:51] <manchicken> I know Meta+Tab cycles, but I want to be able to return to previous
[03:51] <manchicken> Weak.
[03:51] <manchicken> I'm going to complain and demand you get at least a 5% pay cut.
[03:52] <ScottK> Hey, I just package this stuff.  Using it something else.
[03:54] <manchicken> Yeah... there are a lot of packages.
[03:55] <ScottK> Have you seen the list lately?
[03:56] <manchicken> One does not simply "see" the list of packages.
[03:56] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[03:56] <ScottK> No, one has to have a diagram.
[03:56] <manchicken> Quassel is badass.
[03:56] <manchicken> Any IRC client which prefetches web pages for me is by definition badass. Just saying.
[03:57] <manchicken> PerlKDE? That sounds nice.
[03:57] <ScottK> I'll just caution you though that quassel uses QtWebKit which has a list of unfixed CVEs as long as your arm.
[03:57] <ScottK> So I wouldn't use it for untrusted content.
[03:58] <manchicken> Yeah, I just use it for things that people post into IRC, what could go wrong?
[03:58] <manchicken> This is interesting. You know the tickbox to reverse scrolling in the mouse settings?
[03:58] <manchicken> It doesn't seem to apply for horizontal scrolling.
[03:58] <manchicken> D'oh!
[03:59] <ScottK> You have been using a Mac.
[03:59] <manchicken> After giving a second thought to your metion of CVEs... I've disabled pre-loading of web pages in Quassel. Thanks a lot.
[04:00] <manchicken> Yes, yes I have.
[04:01] <ScottK> Actually, I think Firefox is the only web browser in the archive to be well enough maintained from a security POV to be usable.
[04:03] <manchicken> Yeah... I use Chrome since I sync my stuff all over the place.
[04:05] <debfx> Riddell: yep, though it could be trivially ported to any other sql database
[04:14] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm gonna try building the latest CUnit and see if that fixes this problem.
[04:14] <ScottK> OK.  Good luck.
[04:14] <manchicken> I was running the latest on my Mac, and it was working.
[04:14] <manchicken> I don't know why I'm telling you...   At least you didn't tell me anything actively unpleasant or likely to interfere with my sleep.
[04:16] <manchicken> I can fix that if you want.
[04:16] <manchicken> I've got children, I'm sure I could come up with something gross enough to meet that threshold.
[04:17] <manchicken> Hot... damn...
[04:17] <manchicken> That worked.
[04:17] <manchicken> I had to ldconfig afterward... but that worked.
[04:17] <manchicken> Look at me, contributing to the problems
[04:18] <manchicken> Now let's see if I remember how to submit a bug in LP.
[04:29] <manchicken> This is a Debian package, does that mean I need to go to Debian to report this?
[04:29] <ScottK> It's better if you do.
[04:29] <ScottK> I have three kids, so my threshold is probably higher than you think.
[04:30] <manchicken> I also have three kids.
[04:30] <manchicken> We should get a six pack and go rounds.
[04:34] <ScottK> Tell you what, I'll give you my two in college along with the tuition payments.
[04:39] <manchicken> Don't worry, I've got a 5, 2, and 6mo old... I'll be punished soon enough.
[04:42] <manchicken> Sweet.
[04:42] <manchicken> This thing is breaking across the board, even with a very simple test.
[04:43] <manchicken> I like it when I feel like I'm submitting a very easily replicable bug.
[04:54] <manchicken> Hopefully this works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cunit/+bug/1194351
[05:32] <tvoss_> ScottK, ping
[05:32] <ScottK> tvoss_: pong
[05:33] <ScottK> (note I'm in -0400, so I won't be awake long)
[05:33] <tvoss_> ScottK, yeah :)
[05:33] <tvoss_> ScottK, so do you have an eta for kubuntu-desktop in saucy? would like to give it a spin on XMir
[05:34] <ScottK> That depends on how the test build for kde4libs infinity is doing right now goes.
[05:34] <ScottK> If it goes well and he uploads, about 24 hours or a little less.
[05:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: wasn't kde4libs forced from -proposed?
[05:40] <ScottK> It was, but the rest of the stack won't migrate without also being forced.
[05:40] <shadeslayer> oh
[05:40] <ScottK> Every singe 4.10.80 package is out of date on armhf.
[05:40] <ScottK> single
[05:41] <ScottK> Laney had the bright idea of building against gcc-4.7 on armhf for now and infinity is giving it a try.
[05:44] <tvoss_> ScottK, okay, I will poke infinity, too :) thx
[05:45] <ScottK> Most of that time is getting the rest of the stack to build.
[05:46] <shadeslayer> bah :(
[06:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kde4libs is uploaded.  I'm off to sleep as it's getting close to 2AM here and I have to be ~conherent for meetings tomorrow.  Please keep an eye on it and if it finishes that rdepends start building.
[06:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[06:01] <shadeslayer> I can't do alot though, no computer
[06:02] <ScottK> If you have a web browser you can retry stuff if needed.
[06:02] <ScottK> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu
[06:02] <shadeslayer> yep
[06:08] <shadeslayer> as long as that is all that is needed
[06:10] <soee> good morning
[06:11] <ScottK> should be
[06:11]  * ScottK --> sleep
[06:28] <soee> yofel, i tried yesterday to upgrade my desktop to 4.10.80 and now my system is totally broken :)
[06:33] <shadeslayer> soee: saucy ?
[06:33] <soee> no no, raring
[06:35] <shadeslayer> define broken
[06:36] <soee> well i think some parts of kubuntu desktop were not installed or removed (forgot to check complete raport after upgrade), so after reeboot i had no widnow decorations, effects etc. when i tried to install kubuntu-desktop it says that there are dependency problems with workspaces, kde-widnow-manager etc
[06:37] <soee> i used ppa-purge to revert changes
[06:37] <soee> it failed at first time, after second it started to work, but something goes wrong and all my kde-* packages were removed
[06:38] <soee> now i have only access to command line, but can't make my wifi to work
[06:38] <soee> so i cant download and install kde again :<
[06:41] <valorie> soee: do you have a LiveDVD/USB you can use?
[06:41] <soee> valorie, well not but its not a problem, i cean create one on my laptop
[06:42] <valorie> fresh install might be easier than fixing a borked upgrade
[06:42] <valorie> quicker too
[06:42] <soee> to easy
[06:42] <soee> :)
[06:43] <valorie> well, if nothing else, you can use the live media to chroot in and fix
[06:43] <soee> i broke it so i have to fix it
[06:43] <valorie> that's the spirit
[06:43] <soee> ill try later when i get home
[06:55] <shadeslayer> just use wpa supplicant to connect ?
[07:20] <soee> shadeslayer, can you explain ?
[07:20] <soee> "use wpa supplicant to"
[07:22] <shadeslayer> soee: wpa supplicant is a tool to connect to wireless wpa networks
[07:22] <soee> from command line ?
[07:26] <shadeslayer> yes
[07:26] <shadeslayer> just search for instructions on the internet
[07:38] <soee> shadeslayer, can you look: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant this will work for me ?
[07:40] <shadeslayer> yep
[08:18] <yofel> soee: that... shouldn't happen, but kubuntu-desktop is certainly installable here. When you get the system working again please pastebin your history.log
[09:02] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan: any objections to me finally killing off the precise and quantal builds that are still running for neon? I'm getting too many build failures for those lately to still consider them consistent and usable
[09:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: ask me nicely
[09:20] <soee> yofel, ok ill check it later
[09:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure go ahead
[10:32] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion simon 0.4.1
[10:32] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194441
[10:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you are the maintainer, and upstream complains about packaging:P
[10:34] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:35] <AshishL> Riddell: i have downloaded kubuntu torrent and dont know what to do next
[10:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's he complaining about?
[10:35] <Riddell> AshishL: ask in #kubuntu
[10:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh hum However, one small thing: Many packages (the ones for Ubuntu and
[10:37] <smartboyhw> OpenSUSE, for example) omitted some key data files from the final
[10:37] <smartboyhw> packages (prompts files, general scenario, etc.) without which Simon
[10:37] <smartboyhw> 0.4.0 "crashes" immediately after startup (i.e., shows a fatal error and
[10:37] <smartboyhw> quits).
[10:37] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: so fancy packaging that?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nope;P (Since the maintainer is set to you:P)
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: we have no maintainers in ubuntu
[11:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought you are (according to Launchpad)
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: the field is there because of our debian heritage but it doesn't mean anything
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh.
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will try to...
[11:14] <Riddell> kde4libs compiled on arm, everyone hug infinity
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:48] <apachelogger> qt really doesn't like me -.-
[11:49] <Riddell> who wouldn't like you?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> you're not qt enough
[12:03] <manchicken> Riddell: Howdy
[12:05] <Riddell> it's... manchicken!
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <manchicken> It is :)
[12:06] <Riddell> manchicken: what OS are you using these days?
[12:06] <manchicken> Kubuntu again :)
[12:06] <manchicken> And Windows 7 & 8, and OS X.
[12:06] <manchicken> So, all of 'em?
[12:06] <manchicken> Also HP-UX and Solaris, but as sparingly as possible.
[12:06] <Riddell> which is the best?
[12:07] <manchicken> And I don't so much as use them but actively avoid them with intermittent failure to do so.
[12:07] <manchicken> None of 'em!
[12:07] <manchicken> heh
[12:07] <manchicken> I hate computers.
[12:07] <manchicken> I'm trying to fix that, which is why I came back to Kubuntu.
[12:08] <manchicken> I'll have you know that Kubuntu and Ubuntu both worked out of the box with my sexy new touchscreen ASUS ultrabook.
[12:08] <manchicken> I haven't had to fight with a driver once since I set up the install.
[12:09] <manchicken> libcunit, on the other had, I submitted a bug for that last night.
[12:09] <manchicken> I had to remember how to do things in LP. It was nice.
[12:09] <manchicken> I talk a lot.
[12:10]  * shadeslayer hasn't seen manchicken before today
[12:11] <manchicken> shadeslayer: I haven't been around much since my first kid was born around 2008.
[12:12]  * manchicken says around 2008 when he means exactly 2008.
[12:12] <yofel> that would've been before my time as well ^^, nice to meet you
[12:13] <manchicken> Likewise.
[12:13] <manchicken> Riddell: You know, I still get Adept bugs emailed to me?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> yep, before my time, welcome back and nice to meet you :)
[12:14] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:17]  * BluesKaj was around , but not in devel
[12:19] <manchicken> I mainly decided to come play in the sandbox again because I can't get no satisfaction between 9 and 5.
[12:21] <manchicken> I'm a programmer who mainly does data fixes. It's kinda sad.
[12:21] <manchicken> I have got to figure out how to tweak this touchpad so that my thumbs don't scroll while I type.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> manchicken, why do you hate computers?
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Nice to meet you BTW:)
[12:23] <Riddell> manchicken: what does the touchscreen let you do?  gestures or just mouse pointer?
[12:24] <manchicken> smartboyhw: Because I am a wage slave, forced to do boring and terrible things with them at work.
[12:24] <manchicken> Riddell: Very application specific.
[12:24] <manchicken> Riddell: Surprisingly enough, Windows 8 makes shockingly good use of it. On Ubuntu for the most part it's a pointer device.
[12:25] <manchicken> Riddell: I keep on seeing whispers of more sophisticated gesture support, but I can't actually find it.
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, who should I set the new Maintainer: field in debian/control to? Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ?
[12:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes
[12:28] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you have anything interesting going on that I could help with?
[12:31] <manchicken> I turned off edge scrolling, that should help.
[12:31] <manchicken> For multi-touch trackpads that should probably be off by default.
[12:36] <Riddell> manchicken: take your pick https://trello.com/kubuntu
[12:37] <manchicken> Don't mind if I do.
[12:39] <Riddell> manchicken: plenty of things in ubiquity if you're into python
[12:39] <Riddell> testing that user manager would be good
[12:39] <manchicken> Riddell: I can get into python.
[12:40] <manchicken> Is there a TP already?
[12:40] <Riddell> manchicken: a TP?
[12:40] <manchicken> test plan
[12:40] <manchicken> I love tasks like "systemsettings package is rubbish"
[12:40] <manchicken> heh
[12:40] <Riddell> manchicken: nope, making one would be good
[12:41] <Riddell> I think that one was an apachelogger one, not sure what's wrong with it
[12:41] <shadeslayer> if you like python, plz write more autopilot tests
[12:42] <manchicken> I'm not yet proficient in Python, though I would be happy to pick up Python.
[12:42] <manchicken> shadeslayer: Is this something you do a bit of?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> yes, I started writing some tests before my machine died
[12:43] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot
[12:43] <manchicken> shadeslayer: Do you just chroot to run the tests, or do you have a separate machine for the tests?
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: reading the description helps
[12:43] <shadeslayer> manchicken: I just run those locally for now
[12:44] <shadeslayer> its just ui testing, so its fine to run them locally
[12:45] <manchicken> I like automated testing.
[12:45] <manchicken> I submitted a bug against libcunit last night even.
[12:45] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:47] <manchicken> shadeslayer: When are you normally on?
[12:47] <manchicken> (incl tz)
[12:47] <shadeslayer> GMT +0530
[12:47] <Riddell> normal sleep patterns and shadeslayer do not really correlate
[12:47] <shadeslayer> and depends on my sleep cycle :p
[12:48] <manchicken> +0530?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> these days its normal though, I get up by 9ish
[12:48] <manchicken> India?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:49] <manchicken> Okay, cool. That's the only country I was aware of with a 30 minute interval in timezone.  I'll wipe them from the ppa over the weekend after posting a status update.
[13:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: sure, what username and ssh key?
[13:03] <Riddell> yofel: what's this?
[13:03] <yofel> Riddell: talking about old neon builds
[13:03] <yofel> (precise and quantal were still there)
[13:03] <Riddell> oh aye, kill them
[13:03] <ScottK> Dependency graph is now new and improved (even more complicated)
[13:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: check query
[13:04] <yofel> I left them running to get an idea on the backportability of 4.11.
[13:08] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion kscreen 1.0.0
[13:08] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194491
[13:09] <smartboyhw> ^ That and simon 0.4.1 update to me;)
[13:11] <yofel> new kscreen, yay
[13:11] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libkscreen 1.0.0
[13:11] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194495
[13:11] <smartboyhw> ^ Didn't realize that, that to me too:P
[13:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, how many guys have tested 4.10.4 in raring-proposed to let it through?
[13:13] <yofel> probably... two? (scott and me). Still need to comment on the bug though.
[13:14] <yofel> and bug 1193631 is unreproducable :S
[13:14] <Riddell> mm goody, more bits of 4.10.80 arriving in saucy-release
[13:15] <yofel> happens to Myriam and me on my work notebook here, but not in any VM I set up -_-
[13:19] <smartboyhw> W: simon: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libsimonactions0 libsimonactionsui0 libsimonappcore0 libsimoncontextadapter0 libsimoncontextcoreui0 libsimoncontextdetection0 libsimoncontextui0 libsimonddatabaseaccess0 libsimondialogengine0 libsimondialogengineconfui0 libsimondialogenginegraphicalview0 libsimondialogenginettsview0 libsimondstreamer0 libsimongraphemetophoneme0 libsimoninfo0 libsimonjsonconnector0 libsimonlogging0 libsimon
[13:19] <smartboyhw> modelcompilation0 libsimonmodelmanagementui0 libsimonmodeltest0 libsimonprogresstracking0 libsimonrecognitioncontrol0 libsimonrecognitionresult0 libsimonrecognizer0 libsimonsampleshare4 libsimonscenariobase0 libsimonscenarios0 libsimonscenarioui0 libsimonsound0 libsimontts0 libsimonuicomponents0 libsimonutils0 libsimonvision0 libsimonwav0 libsimonxml0 libsscdaccess4 libsscobjects0
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Em, am I supposed to do ALL these libraries!?
[13:20] <yofel> lol
[13:20] <smartboyhw> That takes a long time...
[13:20] <yofel> not really
[13:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, ?
[13:20]  * smartboyhw should have done kscreen first;P
[13:20] <yofel> only libs that have headers shipped for them need seperate lib packages
[13:21] <yofel> (sure, using one-lib-per-package would be cleaner, but usually it's not worth the time)
[13:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nah, nothing else links against those libraries so it's fine to put them all in together
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah.
[13:24] <ScottK> Riddell: For pykde4 it says: Ignoring block request by jriddell, due to unblock request by jriddell  - you can probably drop your hints now.
[13:25] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Did you read mail from kde-packagers regarding Simon?
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I did.
[13:25] <Quintasan> Good then.
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Oh my god..
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: I have dropped my hints, but we still need the block for alpha 1 packages, and I manually unblock anything we want through
[13:27] <smartboyhw> The --list-missing is HUGE.
[13:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Right. Forgot about that.
[13:27] <ScottK> I take it back then.
[13:28] <smartboyhw> To give you guys an idea: http://paste.kde.org/782240/ (468 lines:O)
[13:28]  * smartboyhw vomites
[13:28] <ScottK> Need to push all of KDE through.
[13:28] <smartboyhw> s/vomites/vomits/
[13:28] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "vomits"
[13:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: usr/include/ and usr/lib/lib*so fine to ignore
[13:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: the stuff in /usr/share we probably want
[13:29] <yofel> for lib*so just make sure all of that are actually symlinks
[13:30] <smartboyhw> yofel, some aren't it seems.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> 4.
[13:31] <yofel> you'll need those then (and complain to upstream about not using library versioning or something like /usr/lib/simon/)
[13:33] <apachelogger> :O
[13:34] <apachelogger> libraries growing like fungus
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I just added an unblock for all the sip4 related stuff, so you should just have to unblock KDE 4.10.80 stuff you want in.
[13:34] <apachelogger> someone should tell peter that making many tiny libraries is a terrible idea from a performance POV :S
[13:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You can do it :P
[13:37] <apachelogger> I am building amarok!
[13:37] <apachelogger> while downloading qt5 sources!
[13:37] <ScottK> If only apachelogger hadn't been deficient in minion recruiting.
[13:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: So while both those things are doing pls write a mail
[13:38] <apachelogger> last I checked both shadeslayer and Quintasan failed to get their own minions!
[13:38] <ScottK> Right, so it comes back to recruiting low quality minions on your part.
[13:38] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:38] <Quintasan> ehueheuheuheuheuehue
[13:38] <Riddell> ScottK: lovely
[13:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Less typing on IRC would make you already done with the email
[13:39] <ScottK> I also rescored pimlibs/activities/nepomuk stuff to get it built so we can start our way up the stack.
[13:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: !
[13:39] <apachelogger> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQt4::QtWebKit :(
[13:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, actually wait, what lintian warning will it show if those libraries aren't symlinks?
[13:40] <yofel> uh, I don't know if there is one for that
[13:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: probably none
[13:40] <smartboyhw> meh.
[13:41] <yofel> dpkg-shlibdeps will complain about not being able to extract the version from the file though
[13:41] <smartboyhw> I think I mistaken library-not-linked-against-libc for that.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm no then. There is one complaining about not found ones.
[13:41] <yofel> (I think)
[13:41] <yofel> well, that tells you too that you're missing soething :P
[13:41] <yofel> *something
[13:44] <smartboyhw> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: input symbol file template must have 'SymbolsHelper-Confirmed' header
[13:44] <smartboyhw>  ?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> read a correct symbols file
[13:45] <shadeslayer> there's a certain format to be followed
[13:45]  * apachelogger certainly formats shadeslayer
[13:46] <shadeslayer> mmmm .. ext4 me baby
[13:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, huh? My symbols file IS correct...
[13:47] <shadeslayer> no its not
[13:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I have that header.
[13:47] <smartboyhw> For sure.
[13:48] <shadeslayer> then why is pkgkde-symbolshelper whining ? :p
[13:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, /me dunno,
[13:48] <shadeslayer> maybe you're looking at the wrong symbols file ?
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Actually, I fresh-generated it using pkgkde-gensymbols.
[13:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[13:48] <shadeslayer> there are multiple symbols files
[13:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no.
[13:48]  * smartboyhw confirms.
[13:48] <shadeslayer> one for each library
[13:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's for libkscreen1. And I'm sure I got it correct.
[13:49] <shadeslayer> pastebin it
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Actually, there are two lines before it.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Use of uninitialized value $line in scalar chop at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/PkgKde/SymbolsHelper/SymbolFile.pm line 44.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Use of uninitialized value $line in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/PkgKde/SymbolsHelper/SymbolFile.pm line 45.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> ...
[13:49] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, the original symbols: http://paste.kde.org/782264/
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Ah wait.
[13:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: simon-data.install looks wrong in the copy of simon I have
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, there IS no simon-data package.
[13:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/782276/ (the patch)
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Weird thing though.
[13:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: right, so there should be no simon-data.install
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah.
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Meh, tomorrow's dummy report sheet distribution.
[13:53]  * smartboyhw hopes to stay in Top 6 to receive scholarship for the next year (Form 4).
[13:54] <shadeslayer> not sure if you need symbols for those libs ?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, O.o
[13:55]  * smartboyhw checks
[13:55] <shadeslayer> do those .so's install some corresponding header files ?
[13:55] <smartboyhw> libkscreen (0.0.92-0ubuntu2) saucy; urgency=low
[13:55] <smartboyhw>   * Add a symbols file
[13:55] <smartboyhw>  -- Rohan Garg<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Wed, 08 May 2013 15:38:03 +0100
[13:55] <smartboyhw> !
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :>
[13:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: doesn't matter whether you need them or not, as long as they're shipped in libkscreen1.install they'll show up in the symbol diff
[13:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah but if we don't need them, we can ignore them ?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you added it yourself.
[13:56] <yofel> well, you'll always have a symbol diff during build then
[13:56] <smartboyhw> And now you're telling me we don't actually need it:O
[13:56]  * smartboyhw is perplexed.
[13:57] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: no, check if there are new header files
[13:57] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: and if they correspond to the new symbols
[13:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, the patch: The files do exist.
[13:58] <smartboyhw> You know, http://paste.kde.org/782276/
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah ofcourse
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:59] <shadeslayer> maybe I am not explaining this properly
[13:59] <shadeslayer> also, tiresome to type on a phone
[13:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you're on phone!/
[13:59] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:59] <shadeslayer> don't have a computer
[14:00] <yofel> what you could do ofc. would be to make a libkscreen-bin or libkscreen-runtime and move those 2 SO's there
[14:01] <HansImGlueck> Hello
[14:01] <yofel> but I would just add the symbols for those by hand to the file and hope they never change ^^
[14:01] <HansImGlueck> and greetings
[14:01] <HansImGlueck> Hi @ll
[14:01] <yofel> hi HansImGlueck
[14:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, heh
[14:01] <yofel> (that's what I did for libkdegamesprivate)
[14:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh:P
[14:04] <shadeslayer> moar splitting ftw !!!
[14:04] <shadeslayer> for that is the KDE way
[14:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> reference to how kdenetwork and friends were split
[14:05] <yofel> just be happy that we're now down to only kdewebdev being left
[14:05] <yofel> I don't see artwork moving out of svn anytime soon
[14:05] <shadeslayer> and your suggestion about having a libkscreen-runtime
[14:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:08] <HansImGlueck> I'll afk for a while
[14:08] <HansImGlueck> I am really happy to be a part of the community
[14:08] <HansImGlueck> in unity :)
[14:08] <HansImGlueck> thanks alot to all of you
[14:15] <genii> You guys probably already know, but... some breakage on latest saucy updates ... calligra/krita conflicts
[14:15] <Riddell> genii: conflicts with what?
[14:16] <Riddell> okteta has symbols missing on arm that appear on other platforms but pkg-kde-symbols doesn't just do the right thing, wah
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Reviewers: dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/libkscreen_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc (that was after I discovered a critical and stupid mistake and fixed it:P)
[14:18] <genii> Riddell: Give me a minute and I'll find and pastebin relevant parts of /var/log/apt/term.log
[14:19] <BluesKaj> HansImGlueck, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde desktop , if your looking for unity devel , then perhaps #ubuntu-devel is where you should join
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: remove libkscreen-dev.dirs ?
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: remove symbols.amd64
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: remove shlibs.local
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hadn't I!?
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: remove docs
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK.
[14:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I get symbol changes, did you package this on saucy?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes.
[14:22]  * smartboyhw is ON saucy
[14:22] <yofel> genii: you mean file conflicts?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah sure symbols changes.
[14:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/782318/
[14:23] <Riddell> I'm on i386
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oops.
[14:23]  * smartboyhw has no i386.;P
[14:23]  * smartboyhw forgotten to run it on pbuilder.
[14:24] <genii> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5798656/     ... then I did dpkg with --force-overwrite on calligra, said it breaks krita, so did both --force-overwrite and --force-breaks and then apt-get -f install after that to continue with the rest.
[14:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: chroots work, ec2 available on request too
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need. It's a small app.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Big apps like calligra needed it.
[14:25] <genii> Although on the bar I have no icon-only task switcher so using alt-tab, and show desktop also gone
[14:25] <apachelogger> hm
[14:25] <apachelogger> yofel: latested builder run still stripped .git though I am not sure why ^^
[14:26] <apachelogger> I think ruby is too wildcard friendly
[14:26] <Riddell> genii: that'll be other parts of kde which got removed, there's quite a lot in transition today
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you want simon to package? I'm a bit tired today, and I want to feed up for many ISO testing tomorrow.
[14:27] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: could do, where have you got to?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I forgotten. I can get to the changelogs though.
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what I did (except incorporating new version) was just removing the patch and making Kubuntu Developers maintainer.
[14:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: will you finish libkscreen?
[14:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: I don't know what libkscreen uses them for, but it does look for http://paste.kde.org/782336
[14:31] <yofel> please add
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes I will, along with kscreen itself. I am test-building on a clean pbuilder-dist saucy i386 now (locally fixed version)
[14:31] <yofel> and hurray for amd64-only symbols -.-
[14:32] <smartboyhw> That's a lot of XCB.
[14:32] <genii> Also, nepomuk seems to re-enabled itself automatically :-/
[14:33] <yofel> that's what macro_optional_find_package(XCB) does to a package ^^
[14:33] <skaet> Riddell,  do you plan on testing out Kubuntu active for alpha 1?
[14:34] <Riddell> skaet: nah I don't think so, we'll be struggling enough to get kubuntu desktop working
[14:36] <skaet> Riddell,  ok.   Do you want to restrict down the set to a couple of architectures only for the desktop?
[14:37] <Riddell> skaet: yeah
[14:37] <Riddell> I'll pick i386 and amd64
[14:37] <skaet> Riddell, ok.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> yofel, wait, what amd64-only symbols!?
[14:40] <yofel> smartboyhw: otherwise you wouldn't have MISSING ones on i386
[14:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah yeah:P
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Test-building at BOTH amd64 and i386 saucy pbuilder-dist :O
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Yes! Finally got all XCB libraries correct \o/
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Reviewers: The fixed version https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ubuntu-accomplishments/+files/libkscreen_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Er wait, those reviewing: I marked the wrong bug.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> LP: #1194495 should be it.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Very sorry.... I used the simon bug.
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Can you guys spare another upload from me?:P
[15:19]  * apachelogger falls over
[15:19]  * yofel hands apachelogger a pillow
[15:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: still got symbol issues http://paste.kde.org/782438/
[15:20] <apachelogger> ohoh
[15:20] <apachelogger> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/4745566
[15:20] <apachelogger> new try
[15:20] <apachelogger> wish me luck
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't know why, I used pkgkde-symbolshelper and it's still not working...
[15:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: on i386?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, on amd64. The symbols don't work on both archs.
[15:21] <yofel> you need to feed symbolshelper both buildlogs
[15:21] <smartboyhw> I imported patches for both archs already but.
[15:21] <smartboyhw> yofel, um &
[15:21] <smartboyhw> &
[15:21] <smartboyhw> ^
[15:21] <smartboyhw> I fed both.
[15:21] <smartboyhw> And it didn't work out.
[15:21] <yofel> weird, what's the error this time?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, it just wasn't added when I was told it was.
[15:22] <smartboyhw> No error.
[15:22] <smartboyhw> !/
[15:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[15:22] <apachelogger> oh, I should get dinner soon
[15:23] <Riddell> I agree with smartboyhw
[15:23] <Riddell> pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 1.0 ../*build doesn't add the symbols
[15:23] <Riddell> oh it's a new library
[15:23] <Riddell> maybe that affects it
[15:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just add it manually and test in amd64?
[15:24]  * yofel has to run, bbl
[15:24] <apachelogger> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[15:25] <apachelogger> and of course qt failed again
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh
[15:25] <apachelogger> wait
[15:25] <apachelogger> omg
[15:25] <apachelogger> dpkg-source eats .git doesn't it
[15:25] <apachelogger> :@
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meh!? I need to sleep soon. One more build ONLY and that's it.
[15:26] <apachelogger> ohoho
[15:26] <apachelogger>    Format: 3.0 (git)
[15:26] <apachelogger> dpkg-soruce is fancy
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need to sleep now. The fixed build is uploading to https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/nexus-7 (I know the PPA sounds weird but) If there are still any stupid things then I really can't do. There's also a kscreen build in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/archive/ppa
[15:32] <Riddell> thanks smartboyhw
[15:32] <Riddell> sweet dreams
[15:36] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:38] <Riddell> hmm, lots of build failures on arm, those arm builders not behaving themselves :(
[17:07] <manchicken> Nice.
[17:07] <manchicken> I didn't even know that ubuntuonair had kiwi set up.
[17:29] <AshishL> Riddell : i was installing the kubuntu iso and suddenly while downloading the  iso, it shows permision is denied. please help.
[18:34] <soee> shadeslayer, wpa_supplicant wont work
[18:37] <yofel> soee: how are you using itß
[18:37] <soee> yofel, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant but i dont have dhcpcd
[18:38] <soee> and can install it :)
[18:38] <yofel> you probably mean dhclient
[18:38] <soee> *cant
[18:38] <yofel> soee: does 'sudo dhclient <interface>' work?
[18:38] <yofel> (after connecting with wpa_supplicant)
[18:39] <soee> i tried from rescue mode to run network
[18:39] <soee> i see now olny ieee80211 phy0: channel change: 2457 -> 2468 failed (2)
[18:40] <yofel> o.O
[18:40] <soee> i think i try to use live usb to work it out somehow
[18:40] <yofel> soee: how I do it when I need it
[18:41] <yofel> I have a config file for my network: http://paste.kde.org/782600, then I run
[18:41] <yofel> sudo wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c ./w920.conf
[18:41] <yofel> then I go to another shell and run
[18:41] <yofel> sudo dhclient wlan0
[18:41] <soee> another shell ?
[18:42] <yofel> you can add -B to wpa_supplicant to put it into the background
[18:42] <yofel> I run it so it stays open in the  shell
[18:44] <soee> what does -c do ?
[18:49] <soee> what is this: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCIDEEXR]: invalid argument
[18:50] <yofel> soee: -c is config file
[18:50] <yofel> soee: also, 'sudo service network-manager stop'
[18:50] <yofel> as it might be locking the device
[18:51] <soee> stop: Unknown instance:
[18:51] <soee> strange
[18:52] <yofel> indeed. ifconfig -a lists the device, yes?
[18:55] <soee> i see info abou0, lo, wlan0t eth
[18:55] <soee> * eth0, lo and wlan0
[18:57] <soee> also how can i change that my filesystem is only to read ?
[18:59] <yofel> sudo mount -o ro,remount /
[18:59] <soee> yup just found it :)
[18:59] <yofel> hm, if network-manager isn't running then I don't get why wpa_suppicant would fail
[18:59] <yofel> we're in the wrong channel btw.
[19:00] <yofel> -> #kubuntu
[19:00] <yofel> though I'm off a bit for dinner now, bbl
[20:09] <soee> yofel, ill do reinstall from usb
[20:09] <yofel> chrooting doesn't work?
[20:09] <soee> i can chroot but have no access to network
[20:09] <yofel> even from the live disk o.O?
[20:10] <soee> i have on live disc, when i chroot i dont
[20:10] <yofel> weird, maybe resolv.conf needs to be adjusted
[20:11] <yofel> is that empty in the chroot?
[20:11] <soee> not sure when i try wpa_supplicant it breaks totaly network connection making i cant login
[20:12] <yofel> er, you don't need that when you run the live disk
[20:12] <yofel> as the live session does the connecting already
[20:33] <soee> yofel, nepomuk-core and task-icons are going to be removed during upgrade
[20:33] <soee> its ok ?
[20:34] <yofel> that's fine
[20:34] <vHanda> SEE THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULDN'T RENAME PACKAGES!
[20:34] <vHanda> :D
[20:34] <soee> ok upgrading lets hope this time ill end up without fresh installation :)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> vHanda: its not technicall renaming I think :p
[20:36] <yofel> vHanda: *WE* didn't rename it...
[20:36] <yofel> I'll add a transitional package
[20:37] <yofel> this is really going to confuse dozens of people
[20:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: considering the contents are almost the same it's not far off...
[20:39] <shadeslayer> no I meant, Debian never packaged the split nepomuk-core did it ?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> until recently
[20:50] <yofel> well, no. In that sense it really isn't
[20:55] <shadeslayer> yeah so, it wasnt really a rename, just that debian came up with a better name ;)
[20:55] <soee> yofel, this time upgrade went fine, after reboot i had only some popup at the top of the screen about power management or something
[22:39] <soee> lol
[22:40] <soee> have you read this post on G+
[22:40] <soee> "on a fresh install of kubuntu 13.10- upon starting firefox for the first time, when I clicked new tab, there were 9 thumbnails of naked xxx teen girls!!!! WTF????"
[22:41] <valorie> gosh, I guess I should install ff!
[22:41] <valorie> oh, 13.10
[22:41] <valorie> I'm not that adventurous
[22:43] <soee> :P
[22:45] <soee> ok got t go, cu


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[00:34] <number9> So there are a couple of programs that I can't get to stop launching on startup aninstall has been acting wonky lately and instead of trying to go through and fix it, I've decided I'd just re-install. Rip and repave, if you will.
[00:36] <number9> ugh ignore that post sorry about that. What I meant to ask was this:So there are a couple of programs that I can't get to stop launching on startup and I was wondering where these might be configured, it isn't in the session and start up config menu
[01:31] <snax> hi
[01:32] <snax> I need athk5 (atheros wifi drivers), which packet in apt is that ?
[01:32] <snax> err ath5k
[01:32] <snax> is that hostapd? never heard of that in the form of a daemon.
[01:34] <orngjce223> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[01:34] <orngjce223> Try that?
[02:27] <snax> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) // Does that mean apt didn't install my packages ?
[09:11] <gneral> hi all
[09:13] <moxyr> !hi
[14:10] <FourTens> Is there any way to hide the arrow that shows hidden items in the notification tray / systray on the XFCE panel?
[14:10] <GridCube> hide? or disable?
[14:15] <FourTens> @GridCube: Either, I just don't want to see the arrow because the only things I have hidden are volume icons which are made redundant by the volume icon in the indicator panel.
[14:16] <FourTens> It is a very minor issue, but if there is a way to disable it I'd be interested.
[14:16] <GridCube> are you using 11.04?
[14:16] <FourTens> Yes I am.
[14:19] <GridCube> go to the panel, rigth clic and at the bottom there is a secundary "options" menu, (i dont know how its called on english), there you have "Propierties" and when you open the panel propierties the third tab is "items" there you should find the update manager
[14:21] <FourTens> Update manager?
[14:21] <ochosi> FourTens: i think i understand your problem. there is (to my knowledge) no way of hiding that arrow. and tbh it would also be a bit against the intended design
[14:21] <FourTens> The applets I'm using are Notification Area, Indicator Plugin, Clock, Session Menu.
[14:21] <ochosi> FourTens: what volume icons are you talking about specifically?
[14:21] <FourTens> @Ochosi: Thank you for the reply.
[14:22] <FourTens> That is what I suspected.
[14:22] <FourTens> I'm talking about the "output volume" and "mic volume" controller.
[14:22] <ochosi> a-ha, what programme puts them there?
[14:22] <ochosi> i mean maybe there's a way of getting rid of the systray-icons on the programme-side (which would be the sensible way to do it imo)
[14:22] <FourTens> "Sound Preferences"?
[14:23] <ochosi> oh, you mean the sound-indicator?
[14:23] <ochosi> or the mixer?
[14:23] <ochosi> what specifically?
[14:23] <FourTens> Here, I can take a screenshot.
[14:23] <ochosi> good idea :)
[14:23] <FourTens> Do you know if Ubuntu One allows you to publically link files like Dropbox?
[14:24] <ochosi> sry, no clue, never used either of the two (maybe someone else here knows)
[14:24] <GridCube> oh as you said the arrow i though you meant the update manager :/
[14:25] <ochosi> :)
[14:29] <FourTens> Okay ochosi
[14:29] <FourTens> http://img.imgcake.com/panelpngpy.png
[14:30] <ochosi> FourTens: hm, what on earth are those icons? i've never seen them before in a standard xubuntu setup
[14:30] <FourTens> The red icons are the ones I want to remove. My solution was to "hide" them, but then there is an arrow.
[14:30] <ochosi> yeah sure
[14:30] <ochosi> i get that
[14:30] <FourTens> Which icons are you refering to?
[14:30] <ochosi> i mean: where do they come from? (the two red ones)
[14:30] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu One does not actually well with Xubuntu
[14:31] <FourTens> Well I'm not using Ubuntu One at the moment, I was just wondering about it because I was thinking about using it to upload the image since it would be convenient.
[14:32] <FourTens> @ochosi: They come from "sound preferences"
[14:32] <FourTens> That's what they link to anyway when you right click on them.
[14:32] <GridCube> but when they appeared for the first time? after installing what?
[14:33] <ochosi> FourTens: that must've been installed with some additional package. as long as i don't know what that is (pavucontrol? gnome-sound-preferences?) it's difficult to go any further
[14:33] <FourTens> I'll check if gnome-sound-preferences is installed.
[14:34] <ochosi> not sure that package is called like that, was mostly guessing :)
[14:34] <FourTens> I think I found the culprit.
[14:42] <XubuntuKris> will UNetbootin do what I think it does? Will it write a bootable OS to my usb drive?
[14:44] <GridCube> yes
[14:48] <ochosi> FourTens: so what was the source of problem/trayicons?
[14:50] <FourTens> Thank you for the assistants ochosi.
[14:50] <FourTens> I was able to remove the icons.
[14:50] <FourTens> *assistance
[14:51] <ochosi> how where you able? (out of curiosity)
[14:52] <FourTens> There was a package installed called "indicator-applet"
[14:52] <FourTens> That is meant for Gnome.
[14:53] <ochosi> so which of the sound indicators is gone now? the two red ones or the green one?
[14:53] <FourTens> The red ones, like I wanted.
[14:53] <ochosi> ok
[14:53] <ochosi> interesting, never saw those two icons anywhere
[14:53] <FourTens> The green one has both mic and output control along with Banshee media player control as well.
[14:53] <FourTens> That is why I only wanted that one.
[14:53] <ochosi> yeah, that's the package "indicator-sound"
[14:53] <ochosi> that one i know ;)
[15:08] <FourTens> Does anyone know if it is possible to use Emerald with XFWM instead of Compiz?
[15:09] <GridCube> :D ochosi this one is for you
[15:10] <orngjce223> Well, it's possible. If you're asking for implementation, the best I can do is punt you to someone else.
[15:12] <ochosi> FourTens: yes, i just added an emerald theme to greybird, but you have to download it first, one sec i'll post the link
[15:13] <FourTens> @Ochosi: Is greybird the name of the decorator XFWM has built in?
[15:13] <ochosi> FourTens: no, the name of the default theme in xubuntu 11.04
[15:13] <FourTens> Oh.
[15:14] <ochosi> FourTens: if you want a matching emerald theme, i now have one :)
[15:14] <ochosi> but obviously you can use *any* emerald theme
[15:14] <FourTens> How do you do that?
[15:14] <ochosi> you need to add a ppa to get emerald to work
[15:14] <FourTens> I have emerald working.
[15:14] <ochosi> ok
[15:14] <FourTens> I already added the PPA.
[15:15] <FourTens> I'm wondering how to use Emerald with XFWM instead of Compiz.
[15:15] <FourTens> If it is possible.
[15:15] <ochosi> that doesn't work
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Don't you need compiz instead of xfwm4?
[15:15] <FourTens> I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
[15:15] <ochosi> emerald is a window-decorator, xfwm4 is a window-manager (which means it also decorates the windows)
[15:15] <ochosi> so: compiz + emerald = window-manager
[15:16] <ochosi> and: xfwm4 = window-manager
[15:16] <GridCube> xfwm4+compiz = ?
[15:16] <FourTens> And there is no way to replace the XFWM decorator with Emerald?
[15:17] <GridCube> tried > emeral -r ¿?
[15:17] <ochosi> FourTens: sure there is
[15:17] <ochosi> GridCube: no, xfwm4 doesn't work with compiz, because it's a window *manager*, not just a decorator. compiz also manages windows (e.g. resizing, placement etc.)
[15:18] <FourTens> @GridCube: emerald --replace only seems to work if Compiz is also running.
[15:18] <ochosi> FourTens: you can add "emerald" in compizconfig-settings-manager to the "window-decoration" settings
[15:20] <FourTens> I guess I'll just use Compiz then.
[15:20] <FourTens> No reason to be picky really.
[15:20] <ochosi> if you want the fancy effects, use compiz
[15:20] <ochosi> you can also use metacity as a window-decorator instead of emerald
[15:21] <FourTens> I don't want any fancy effects, just fancy borders.
[15:21] <FourTens> That is why I was content with XFWM, but wanted Emerald.
[15:21] <FourTens> But I can just disable most of the fancy stuff in Compiz, it seems pretty malleable.
[15:38] <a7i3n> Anyone out there?
[15:39] <a7i3n> ubottu?
[15:39] <a7i3n> anyonne at all....
[15:39] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[15:39]  * charlie-tca thinks there is no one here called "anyone", either
[15:40] <likemindead> Yup.
[15:42] <GridCube> !poll
[15:43] <charlie-tca> better is
[15:43] <charlie-tca> !details
[15:43] <charlie-tca> of course, to just talk to people, there is
[15:43] <charlie-tca> !offtopic
[15:46] <likemindead> Heh.
[15:53] <ushills> hi, does anyone know how to autohide the dock at the bottom of the screen with 11,04
[15:54] <Sysi> right click on it → panel settings
[15:54] <Sysi> set autohide
[15:54] <Sysi> if it's set but fails, log out and back in
[15:54] <ushills> Cheers thanks
[16:01] <ushills> Does, anyone know why I keep getting the attached locale issues
[16:01] <ushills> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:01] <ushills> Reading package lists... Done
[16:01] <ushills> Building dependency tree
[16:01] <ushills> Reading state information... Done
[16:01] <ushills> The following packages will be upgraded:
[16:01] <ushills>   gstreamer0.10-tools libgstreamer0.10-0
[16:01] <ushills> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:01] <ushills> Need to get 0 B/786 kB of archives.
[16:01] <ushills> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
[16:01] <ushills> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[16:01] <ushills> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[16:01] <ushills> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[16:01] <ushills> 	LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en",
[16:01] <ushills> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
[16:01] <likemindead> STOP.
[16:01] <Sysi> !pastebin
[16:02] <ushills> http://paste.ubuntu.com/647403/
[16:02] <ushills> Sorry, keep getting the above and cannot resolve.
[16:32] <ushills> Hi, how can I get to switch user with xubuntu 11.04, can only logout.
[16:33] <likemindead> When you log out, you can switch users.
[16:34] <likemindead> Xfce is different than GNOME, Unity, etc.
[16:34] <charlie-tca> You can add the "xfswitch-plugin" in Synaptic Package Manager, then add it to the panel
[16:34] <charlie-tca> It will allow user switching without logging out
[16:35] <ushills> unfortunately that just logs me out, as i discovered:)
[16:38] <charlie-tca> File a bug then, it should not be doing that
[16:38] <charlie-tca> You can file it using        ubuntu-bug xfswitch-plugin
[16:38] <ushills> Okay, just wondered if anyone else had it, will drop onto launchpad
[16:38] <charlie-tca> I don't use it often, myself.
[16:39] <ushills> Do you I log it on launchpad
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Yes, please
[16:41] <charlie-tca> If you open a terminal and type       ubuntu-bug xfswitch-plugin      and hit enter, it will file the bug in launchpad, by opening firefox
[16:41] <charlie-tca> That gets all the information with the bug, except what happended
[16:47] <ushills> Cheers done it
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ushills
[16:54] <ushills> Can anyone tell me how to get to the settings for keyboard layout switching shortcuts
[16:54] <GridCube> ?
[16:55] <charlie-tca> not sure, maybe Settings -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard, layout tab
[16:55] <charlie-tca> but that may not even be close to what you need
[16:55] <charlie-tca> :(
[16:55] <charlie-tca> !behelpful | charlie-tca
[19:52] <ushills> Hi, is there a way to manage the applications menu list in xubutu similar to gnome in ubuntu
[19:52] <ushills> I have some old items on there that no longer exist.
[19:52] <Sysi> alacarte works
[19:53] <ushills> do i enter that in a terminal, its not currently installed
[19:54] <ushills> PS i'm using xfce
[19:56] <beardygnome> you will need to install it first
[19:57] <beardygnome> are you comfortable with installing software in xubuntu (i don't want to appear patronising)?
[19:58] <ushills> yep, been using ubuntu since 2004 and CLI.  It want to install loads of gnome dependancies, do I need these or can I use --without-recommends
[19:59] <beardygnome> recommended packages shouldn't be needed in order to run the application, so i would say that you can ignore them
[19:59] <beardygnome> (or you could just install the lot then remove it one you are done)
[20:01] <ushills> thanks --no-install-recommends worked.
[20:02] <ushills> Next question, I have loads of old applications under other that no longer exist, is there a conf file I can delete and have xfce rebuild the menu.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> look in ~/.local/applications
[20:03] <charlie-tca> if they are in there, delete them
[20:03] <ushills> Also, my screensaver defaults to xscreensaver following a try of lubuntu, what is the default I should install.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver
[20:05] <beardygnome> i prefer gnome-screensaver myself
[20:05] <beardygnome> but there isn't one that you *should* install - you're free to use any (or none) that you like :-)
[20:06] <ushills> so xscreensaver is the default?
[20:08] <beardygnome> yes (i think - i switched it for gnome-screensaver ages ago and haven't done a full reinstall since)
[20:09] <ushills> regarding the menu, with gnome if you delete the folder .gconf it resets your desktops is there a similar method with xfce
[20:11] <beardygnome> ~/.config/xfce4/ contains a lot of settings
[20:11] <beardygnome> you could delete all of that, or just bits
[20:12] <beardygnome> e.g deleting ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ should reset your panel#
[20:13] <ushills> Okay, i'll rename it first.
[20:13] <beardygnome> that was my next comment :-)
[20:20] <ushills> Cheers guys deleting .config/xfce4 changed a few things:-D