[18:34] <Coastside> Looking for help with Ubuntu server 7x... new to linux os's so go easy, I'm linux iliterate...
[18:36] <Coastside> Just installed yesterday for first time and wondering if there is a good gui available to simplify apache2, DNS and FTP servers
[18:36] <Coastside> I configured gnome for OS gui, but thats all
[21:47] <ubuntu1337> :)
[21:47] <soundray> ubuntu1337: how old is your mum's computer exactly?
[21:47] <soundray> Actually, roughly will be good enough :)
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> soundray
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> i do not know
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> we bought it used a couple years ago, i believe
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> i would estimate... 4 years
[21:51] <soundray> ubuntu1337: okay, so a few years. I think it could be very useful to dual-boot it with Ubuntu -- just forget about the effects thing.
[21:51] <soundray> Too late, dang :)
[22:02] <ubuntu1337> What is this?
[22:05] <soundray> newbee: there you are :)
[22:06] <newbee> soundray: my bad sorry
[22:06] <soundray> newbee: do a 'sudo fdisk -l' in the terminal please
[22:06] <newbee> soundray: yah im here
[22:06] <soundray> newbee: what's the topmost line that says "Linux" under "System"?
[22:06] <OldPink> What an awesome idea, Ubuntu classroom, that's brilliant. I had no idea such a place existed, had to check it out. Been with Linux a year and a half. Persevere with any difficulties, it's the best switch you'll ever make :)
[22:07] <newbee> i didsoundray: i
[22:07] <soundray> newbee: just tell me the device please
[22:07] <newbee> soundray: i did :)
[22:07] <newbee> soundray: then?
[22:07] <soundray> newbee: tell me again please
[22:08] <newbee> soundray: sda2
[22:08] <soundray> newbee: okay, enter 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'. It should come back with a prompt.
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: then enter 'ls' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: sry
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: then enter 'ls /mnt' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:10] <newbee> soundray:  when i wrote it says "cant find /dev/sda2/mnt in /etc/fstrab/ or /etc/mtab"
[22:10] <soundray> newbee: you have to be careful and enter *all* the spaces
[22:10] <soundray> newbee: okay, enter 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'.
[22:12] <newbee> soundray: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt nothing happening  i feel like im stupid in here
[22:12] <soundray> newbee: enter 'ls /mnt' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:12] <soundray> newbee: nothing happening is good, usually
[22:13] <newbee> im writng sudo*mount*/dev/sda2*/mnt
[22:13] <newbee> soundray: im writng sudo*mount*/dev/sda2*/mnt
[22:14] <soundray> newbee: silence means success, so everything is good. Go on to the next step: ls /mnt
[22:14] <newbee> soundray: oh yes i can see now :) thanks :)
[22:14] <ubuntu1337> I rather like trolls.
[22:15] <ubuntu1337> I don't think much of naughty irc-ops, though.
[22:15] <newbee> soundray: i can see bin root and etc..
[22:15] <nareshov> newbee, typing "mount" shows you currently mounted file-systems
[22:15] <soundray> newbee: do a 'cd /mnt/boot/grub' now. Silence means success
[22:16] <soundray> nareshov: are you sure this is helpful right now?
[22:16] <nareshov> not sure, carry on. I'll just watch
[22:16] <newbee> soundray: it says "no such file or directory"
[22:16] <nalioth> ubuntu1337: the same rules apply in here, as in #ubuntu
[22:17] <soundray> newbee: what does 'ls /mnt/boot' say? There should be items like vmlinuz-2.6.22-14 etc.
[22:19] <newbee> soundray: it says "vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic
[22:19] <newbee> soundray: it says "vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic"
[22:20] <soundray> newbee: good. Is there also an item called 'grub'?
[22:20] <newbee> i cant see anything  writes grub lately
[22:20] <newbee> soundray: i cant see anything  writes grub lately
[22:22] <soundray> newbee: okay. Please do a 'sudo chroot /mnt bash'. The prompt should now be a # instead of a $. Correct?
[22:22] <newbee> soundray: yyeah
[22:23] <soundray> newbee: now enter 'apt-get install grub'. Any errors?
[22:23] <newbee> soundray: done
[22:23] <newbee> soundray: it says "grab is already new version"
[22:24] <newbee> soundray: no errors
[22:24] <soundray> newbee: okay, we have to force it then: 'apt-get --reinstall install grub'. Any errors?
[22:25] <ubuntu1337> i have major hacking skillz
[22:26] <newbee> soundray: would u put * instead of spaces?
[22:26] <soundray> newbee: okay, we have to force it then: 'apt-get*--reinstall*install*grub'
[22:27] <newbee> soundray: thanks its done now :):)
[22:27] <newbee> soundray: hops
[22:28] <soundray> newbee: we'll soon find out: 'cd    /boot/grub/'
[22:28] <nareshov> (:D)
[22:28] <soundray> I'll put several spaces instead of * -- we might need a * later
[22:28] <newbee> soundray: sorry i miss read .. "reinstallation of grub is not possbile it can not be downloaded
[22:29] <soundray> newbee: how do you chat -- separate computer?
[22:29] <newbee> soundray: no with the same computer
[22:29] <soundray> newbee: with Ubuntu?
[22:29] <newbee> soundray: yeah
[22:30] <soundray> newbee: so it's not a network problem. Open another terminal now and enter 'cd   /mnt/var/cache/apt/archives/'
[22:31] <newbee> soundray: u want me to open a one more terminal? should i close the old one?
[22:31] <soundray> newbee: no, we just need a second one
[22:32] <newbee> soundray: yeah  i did
[22:33] <newbee> soundray: i wrote  ... archives/
[22:33] <soundray> newbee: are you installing the 32bit or 64bit version of ubuntu?
[22:33] <ubuntu1337> 86x
[22:33] <newbee> soundray: im sorry but i ve no idea
[22:34] <newbee> soundray: i guess its 32 bit its a bit old computer
[22:34] <soundray> newbee: type uname -a to be sure -- it says either i386 or x86_64
[22:35] <newbee> i 686
[22:35] <newbee> soundray: i686
[22:35] <soundray> newbee: good
[22:36] <soundray> Now type 'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-29ubuntu4_i386.deb'
[22:38] <soundray> newbee: the only space is after wget
[22:39] <newbee> soundray: it says "resolving archive..... "
[22:40] <soundray> newbee: no change?
[22:40] <newbee> soundray: then "can not write to grub_0.97......deb (permission denied)"
[22:41] <soundray> newbee: okay, get the command back with the up arrow, go to the beginning of the line and change it so it says 'sudo   wget   http...' instead of 'wget http...'
[22:42] <newbee> soundray: its done :) downloaded
[22:42] <soundray> :)
[22:43] <soundray> Now 'dpkg   -i   grub_0.97*'
[22:43] <soundray> Any errors?
[22:44] <newbee> soundray:* means space or *?
[22:44] <soundray> newbee: * means *
[22:45] <newbee> soundray: "requested operation requires superuser privilege
[22:45] <newbee> soundray: it says "requested operation requires superuser privilege "
[22:45] <soundray> Okay, we need to do it in the other window.
[22:46] <newbee> soundray: old window or the 3.th one?
[22:46] <soundray> newbee: actually, in the other window, go back to the 'apt-get ...' command with the Up arrow key.
[22:46] <soundray> newbee: and hit return to run it again.
[22:47] <newbee> soundray: i re enter my last command in 1st terminal window as u said apt-get-... reinstall install grub but it cant be downloaded again
[22:48] <ubuntu1337> my advice:
[22:48] <ubuntu1337> pour gasoline on the damn thing and ignite.
[22:49] <ikonia> ubuntu1337: thats not helpful
[22:49] <soundray> newbee: do a 'dpkg    -i   /var/cache/apt/archives/grub_0.97*'
[22:49] <soundray> no sudo this time, as you have a root shell already.
[22:51] <newbee> soundray: no errors last words " setting up grub (0.97-29ubuntu4)
[22:51] <newbee> soundray: no errors last words " setting up grub (0.97-29ubuntu4)"
[22:52] <soundray> Good. Try again 'cd /boot/grub' in the same terminal
[22:53] <newbee> soundray: it says "bash: cd: /boot/grub: no such file or directory"
[22:54] <ubuntu1337> care -_-
[22:55] <soundray> newbee: what do you get from 'update-grub'?
[22:57] <ikonia> you should care
[22:57] <newbee> soundray: when i wrote "update-grub" it says "no grub directory found. to create template run 'mkdir /boot/grub" first to install grub, install it manually or try the 'grub-install'command. and a warning grub-install is used to change ur MBR"
[22:59] <soundray> newbee: okay, that's what we'll do: 'mkdir   /boot/grub'
[22:59] <newbee> soundray: slience scces??
[22:59] <soundray> newbee: yes
[22:59] <newbee> soundray: yes :) then :)
[22:59] <soundray> Now 'grub-install    (hd0)'
[23:00] <newbee> soundray: it says "syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0'"
[23:01] <soundray> Yes... 'grub-install   /dev/sda'
[23:03] <newbee> soundray: it says " /dev/sda not found or not a block device"
[23:04] <soundray> hmm. Try in the other terminal window. We have to change the syntax:
[23:04] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    /dev/sda'
[23:04] <newbee> soundray: second window? im going to write the same thing?
[23:04] <newbee> soundray: in second window or 1st window?
[23:05] <soundray> newbee: the second, the one with the $ prompt
[23:08] <newbee> soundray: long story appear on screen
[23:09] <soundray> newbee: can you paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[23:09] <newbee> i cant copy from terminal:(
[23:10] <newbee> soundray: oh i copy it :):):)
[23:10] <soundray> newbee: just highlight the message with the mouse and use the middle button...
[23:10] <soundray> well done. What's the URL?
[23:10] <newbee> soundray: cntl+c dont work  lol it works with button
[23:11] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44551/
[23:13] <soundray> Can you check the command again, and make sure that the last part is really /dev/sda
[23:13] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    /dev/sda'
[23:14] <newbee> soundray: here is the same paste with my command http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44552/
[23:15] <soundray> newbee: it has to be /dev/sda   (not dev/sda)
[23:16] <newbee> soundray: im really feel stupid
[23:16] <soundray> newbee: don't. It takes time to get used to how picky Linux can be :)
[23:16] <newbee> soundray: it says "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[23:17] <soundray> We'll use the other name then
[23:17] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'   '
[23:17] <soundray> You need to enter '(hd0)' with the single ticks
[23:19] <newbee> soundray: can u write it between "    " so i can paste it correctly. i did not know copy paste would work,
[23:20] <soundray> " sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'  "
[23:20] <newbee> soundray: it says "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[23:22] <soundray> newbee: " echo   '(hd0)    /dev/sda'   >/boot/grub/device.map'  "
[23:23] <soundray> After that, get the grub-install command back with the Up arrow key and enter it again
[23:23] <soundray> sorry, mistake
[23:24] <soundray> newbee: " echo   '(hd0)    /dev/sda'   >/boot/grub/device.map  "
[23:25] <newbee> soundray: >  ?
[23:25] <soundray> There was an extra tick in the previous one
[23:26] <newbee> soundray: oh i should not put a tick at the end is it?
[23:26] <soundray> newbee: that's right
[23:26] <newbee> soundray: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[23:27] <newbee> soundray: bash: it says "syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[23:27] <newbee> soundray:it says " bash:  syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[23:27] <soundray> You do need the ticks before (hd0) and after /dev/sda
[23:28] <newbee> soundray: this is what i wrote "echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map'
[23:28] <newbee> > echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map
[23:28] <newbee> "
[23:28] <soundray> newbee: something went wrong -- hit Ctrl-C until you get the # prompt again
[23:29] <newbee> soundray this is " ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/var/cache/apt/archives$ echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map
[23:29] <newbee> bash: /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory
[23:29] <newbee> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/var/cache/apt/archives$
[23:29] <newbee> "
[23:30] <newbee> soundray: which terminal i should wrote? $ or # =
[23:30] <newbee> ?
[23:30] <soundray> The # one
[23:31] <newbee> soundray: slience success?
[23:31] <soundray> Yes
[23:31] <newbee> soundray: im sorryi was writng at $
[23:31] <newbee> soundray now we ar e ok
[23:32] <soundray> Okay, if the next step doesn't work now, I won't know what to do...
[23:32] <newbee> soundray: i should start to pray god
[23:32] <soundray> At the $ prompt, get the old command back:
[23:32] <newbee> soundray: :):):)
[23:32] <soundray>  " sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'   "
[23:34] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44554/
[23:35] <soundray> It's looking good
[23:35] <newbee> soundray: we all done?
[23:36] <soundray> Difficult process though...
[23:36] <soundray> I think you can risk a reboot
[23:36] <soundray> Hold on...
[23:36] <newbee> soundray: its still difficult for me, i ve no idea what amn i doing :):):)
[23:36] <soundray> There is one thing we should check...
[23:37] <newbee> soundray: ok im holding
[23:37] <soundray> At the # prompt:  'ls /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[23:37] <newbee> soundray: with ' ?
[23:38] <soundray> no
[23:39] <newbee> soundray: it says " root@ubuntu:/# ls /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:39] <newbee> ls: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory
[23:39] <newbee> "
[23:39] <soundray> I see... we have to create a boot menu.
[23:40] <newbee> what ?f we failed :):)
[23:40] <soundray> Can you pastebin the output of 'ls   /boot/grub/' please
[23:41] <newbee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44555/
[23:41] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44555/
[23:41] <soundray> Only 'ls /boot/grub/' please
[23:42] <newbee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44556/
[23:43] <soundray> Okay. Now you should run 'update-grub' at the # prompt. Say 'Y' when it asks you if you want to create a menu.lst
[23:44] <newbee> its done
[23:45] <soundray> newbee: good. If you reboot now, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to boot into Ubuntu.
[23:46] <soundray> newbee: see if there is a menu entry for Windows as well. If not, that can be added. Ask in #ubuntu again for how to do that.
[23:46] <newbee> soundray: what if it wont open. i dont care about if it open or not anymore. i want to thank u later  thousands times  cuz u really helpfull i feel myself i dunno how to thank
[23:46] <newbee> soundray: i want it open cuz i dont want to lose u , u really good friend
[23:47] <soundray> newbee: don't worry about it, it was a good challenge
[23:47] <newbee> soundray: im afraid if my pc wont open i will not be able to onlline for today and i wont be able to see u again
[23:47] <newbee> soundray: ok thanks alot for all the things
[23:48] <soundray> Of course I'm not a 100% sure that it'll boot now, but I'll hang around for a few minutes to see if you log in again. Okay?
[23:48] <newbee> soundray: i hope so, its pretty late in here. if it wont open i will go to sleep
[23:48] <soundray> I see, where are you?
[23:49] <newbee> soundray: turkey its 2am
[23:49] <newbee> soundray: izmir  where re u?
[23:49] <soundray> newbee: okay -- good night if I don't see you. Near London, England (23.49 here)
[23:50] <newbee> soundray: if u mid i can give u my msn adress, i dunno how to but maybe oneday i will have a chance to thank u :)
[23:50] <s1024kb> Good morning everyone! I am from China, a new member here
[23:51] <soundray> newbee: I'm not on MSN. Let's see now if I have really helped you :)
[23:51] <newbee> soundray: ok. but before i go i want to ask u something
[23:52] <soundray> Yes?
[23:52] <newbee> soundray: u know all the codes? or u looking from anywhere?
[23:53] <soundray> Most of what I told you I know because I've used these methods to fix problems of my own. But if you're looking for ways to solve problems, the Ubuntu forums and wiki are really useful.
[23:54] <soundray> I've installed Ubuntu about 30 times on very different systems
[23:55] <newbee> soundray: oh, u should be a rocket scientist lol, the codes are really hard to use. im sure i will need help for second time, im sure i will need help even if im installing for 102nt time :):)
[23:55] <soundray> And I started using grub when it was not released yet
[23:55] <soundray> I'm a brain scientist by day :)
[23:56] <newbee> whatever i keep u busy so long. thanks alot for the help now im going to boot my pc
[23:56] <soundray> Good luck!
[23:56] <newbee> i hope it will work
[23:56] <newbee> thanks alot again and again
[23:56] <newbee> take care
[23:56] <soundray> Me too


[04:07] <jvess> I'm having trouble booting ltsp clients, is anyone experienced with that?
[12:03] <highvoltage> ogra: I've changed the mailing list rules to get rid of spam instead of keeping it for approval, spamassassin is quite acurate, I don't think we'll have false-positives
[12:03] <highvoltage> ogra: the lists should be a bit more managable now, and there should be less admin requests
[12:21] <test___> hi
[12:21] <test___> help me plz
[12:22] <highvoltage> test___: feel free to ask if you ned help with something
[12:22] <test___> http://www.vguard.net/E_download_vgcard.htm <---- this system on windows based how to run on edubuntu?
[12:23] <test___> this system use dll on windows system32 /. dll and mplayer - but how do run dll or other components on edubuntu?
[12:24] <highvoltage> test___: you might be able to run it under wine, but Windows software is not supported under edubuntu
[12:26] <test___> ok thank?
[13:25] <fja> i've just installed edubuntu 7.10 and the clients (with i810 video) boot up and starts x. But when a user logout clients can not start X/gdm again. I've got the following error msg: [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockp [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 65520 wanted 65528
[13:26] <fja> are there known fixes/workarounds to this problem?
[13:27] <fja> earlier we ran debian and ltsp4.2 and it worked great except sound...
[13:30] <fja> i've tried X_VIDEORAM in lts.conf and XSERVER both auto and i810
[13:31] <fja> different X_MODES...
[13:31] <popey> use intel video instead of i810
[13:35] <fja> i've got same error messages with XSERVER = intel
[14:21] <cberlo> Hi folks.  I'm having a problem upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy.  I can't seem to rebuild my client chroot.  Can anyone help with this?
[14:26] <cberlo> David, how's the lab?
[15:24] <bddebian> Heya
[18:34] <stgraber> hi ogra
[18:35] <stgraber> I contacted iTalc's upstream, he told me that the VNC crash is a known problem with QT and will be fixed in .4 which will be released "really soon"
[18:35] <stgraber> so I'm just waiting for this one to be out, then update my patches and we should have something working :)
[18:40] <Goosemoose> can anyone tell me why my ubuntu machine can ping others on the domain using 'ping computer' but not 'ping computer.domain.local' ?
[18:53] <ogra> stgraber, yay!
[19:36] <musashi1> can anyone point me to a good how to for setting up things like the firefox home page, available apps and such for clients? I'm not finding anything on the edubuntu wiki (course i may not be searching well either).
[19:43] <johnny_> howdy edubuntu peeps
[19:43] <johnny_> i upgraded my ubuntu from feisty to gutsy, and for some reason they aren't keeping their hostnames anymore
[19:44] <johnny_> previously it didn't work either, but i got around it by chmod 000 /etc/hostname in the chroot
[19:45] <stgraber> is it taking the hostname from the DHCP server ?
[19:45] <johnny_> pretty sure
[19:45] <johnny_> lemme do one last verify
[19:45] <johnny_> brb
[19:46] <stgraber> ok, so you can probably fix that by changing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[19:53] <johnny_> it's getting the IP assigned in /etc/hosts
[19:55] <johnny_> but i don't see the IP
[19:55] <johnny_> i can ping them
[19:55] <johnny_> by name
[19:55] <johnny_> but they don't come up with the right name :)
[19:56] <scrapbunny> is there any way to make the fonts look better on thin clients?
[19:56] <johnny_> did you mean on the clients? or the host stgraber /
[19:57] <scrapbunny> both
[19:57] <johnny_> they both have send host-name "<hostname>";
[20:18] <johnny_> ok screw this.. i'm chattr +i /etc/hostnamet
[20:18] <johnny_>  /etc/hostname  in the chroot
[20:26] <johnny_> ok next issue
[20:26] <johnny_> audio
[20:27] <johnny_> for some reason it allows one to change the server's volume
[20:55] <pvangundy> hey all
[21:07] <musashi1> can anyone point me to a good how to for setting up things like the firefox home page, available apps and such for clients? I'm not finding anything on the edubuntu wiki (course i may not be searching well either).
[21:41] <johnny_> musashi1, try something like pessulus and sabayon
[21:43] <musashi1> johnny_: not sure i understand.
[21:45] <johnny_> you can use that set all sorts of defaults
[22:03] <dtrask> hey edubuntu folks!  Check my latest blog post about the kids reaction to the CMPC today!  Complete with pics   http://dtrask.wordpress.com
[22:04] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: figured you might like to see the pics
[22:04] <dtrask> ogra_cmpc: figured you might like to see the pics
[22:37] <johnny_> is there a way to get unpartitioned memory sticks to work?
[22:37] <johnny_> because that's somewhat of a deal breaker around here, plus does that affect cdrom drives?
[22:38] <Burgundavia> johnny_: umm, can you buy unpartitioned memory sticks?
[22:38] <Burgundavia> by default, they should be fat32
[22:38] <johnny_> i thought the description meant single partitioned memory sticks
[22:39] <johnny_> it's not very clear
[22:39] <johnny_> in the DebugLocalDevices wiki page
[22:39] <johnny_> so.. ok then issue is elsewhere
[22:39] <Burgundavia> oh, that
[22:39] <Burgundavia> hmm
[22:40] <johnny_> it uses the word mounted
[22:40] <Burgundavia> right
[22:40] <johnny_> and a drive without a filesystem wouldn't get mounted in any case
[22:40] <Burgundavia> yep
[22:41] <Burgundavia> that isn't the clearest
[22:42] <johnny_> i'm trying to debug why none of the usb drives are working  getting odd errors about /tmp i think
[22:42] <johnny_> somebody jumped on that machine while i walked away
[22:42] <johnny_> :(
[22:42] <Burgundavia> do the drives work in a standard ubuntu machine or on the server?
[22:43] <johnny_> we have a total of 4 terminals
[22:43] <johnny_> two of them still have feisty installs
[22:43] <johnny_> ie: still have a hard drive
[22:43] <johnny_> and it gets detected on that
[22:44] <johnny_> and i checked the dmesg on the client and the drive does get detected
[22:44] <johnny_> it just doesn't get mounted
[22:44] <johnny_> plus, a disc in the server cdrom drive is showing up on the clients
[22:44] <johnny_> and the volume control on the client affects the servers
[22:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, I don't know enough about the LTSP moving bits to tell you
[22:45] <Burgundavia> but as a simple test, make certain that any drives work under non-LTSP
[22:45] <johnny_> yes
[22:45] <johnny_> they do
[22:45] <johnny_> or rather.. this one doe
[22:45] <johnny_> does*
[23:18] <johnny_> this is the problem i'm having exactly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/158989
[23:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158989 in ltsp "local device not working on some client" [Undecided,New]


[03:46] <snap-l> Happy Christmas Eve Eve
[03:46] <snap-l> eve
[14:40] <snap-l> Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays, everyone!
[14:42] <rick_h_> right back at you
[14:42] <widox> yay, merry xmas


[16:45] <pleia2> good morning
[16:47] <pleia2> running downstairs to grab some coffee before the sprint :)
[16:56] <knome> oh
[16:56] <knome> the sprint
[16:56] <knome> hahah
[16:56] <knome> well
[16:56] <Sysi> so you're drunk?
[16:56] <knome> looks like i came home the right time ;)
[16:56] <knome> Sysi, ehh, no?
[16:56] <knome> just forgot that
[16:56] <knome> are saying i'm an alcoholic?
[16:57] <Sysi> possibly.
[16:57] <knome> based on what?
[16:57] <Sysi> saturday
[16:57] <knome> :P
[16:57] <knome> saturday makes people alcoholics?
[16:58] <Sysi> possibly
[17:02] <pleia2> hehe
[17:03] <pleia2> ok, sprint time!
[17:03] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Sprint
[17:04] <pleia2> beardygnome worked on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts
[17:05] <pleia2> it's ideas for the about page, would be nice to get it into a more refined form within the next week
[17:06] <knome> i can look at that shortly
[17:07] <pleia2> knome: when you're ready, I just want to quickly go through the items under "To do" before content review
[17:08] <knome> i partly need to focus on something else, but i'm ready :)
[17:09] <pleia2> pl
[17:09] <pleia2> ok
[17:09] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website
[17:10] <pleia2> so... under "Footer" "Replace "Xubuntu links" with "Useful pages""
[17:10] <pleia2> do you mean wording or actually adding links that are useful? :)
[17:10] <knome> heheh, yeah
[17:10] <knome> links that are useful
[17:11] <knome> the wiki links etc can be under the developer tools page
[17:11]  * pleia2 nods
[17:12] <pleia2> I kind of like having the mailing list links in the footer
[17:13] <knome> hmm
[17:13] <knome> http://wp.xubuntu.org/developertools/
[17:13] <knome> i'm really going to build a easy-to-use page of that
[17:13] <knome> we could probably link to xubuntu-users in the footer
[17:13] <knome> with "Mailing list for support" or so
[17:14] <pleia2> what other links are useful?
[17:14] <knome> link to developer tools
[17:15] <knome> link to sitemap
[17:15] <pleia2> faq?
[17:15] <knome> mmh, that too
[17:16] <GridCube> :)
[17:16] <GridCube> sup
[17:16] <madnick> hi, i will join in a second
[17:16] <pleia2> ok, so let's go with these
[17:17] <pleia2> Support Mailing List, Developer Tools, FAQ, Site Map
[17:17] <knome> yeah
[17:17] <knome> sounds good
[17:17] <pleia2> next on our To do list: "Fix articles archive"
[17:18] <pleia2> we want to make the articles stubs instead of full, is that a trivial enough theme thing?
[17:18] <knome> that's min!
[17:18] <knome> *mine
[17:18] <knome> yeah, that's trivial
[17:18] <knome> i need to create archive.php
[17:18] <pleia2> ok cool, that's sorted
[17:18]  * pleia2 nods
[17:18] <pleia2> Next... "Think of a good way to present the different mirrors"
[17:18] <knome> mmh
[17:18] <pleia2> GridCube: hi! :)
[17:18] <knome> i'd really want the markup to be clean
[17:19] <pleia2> how do we feel about how the Natty ones are displayed currently? unclean?
[17:19] <pleia2> (btw, I will fix to reflect Oneiric today)
[17:19] <knome> they are too scattered imo
[17:22] <pleia2> any thoughts?
[17:22] <pleia2> we should put it in a TABLE!
[17:22] <knome> maybe.
[17:22] <pleia2> hah
[17:22] <knome> with full urls
[17:22] <pleia2> visible to visitor urls?
[17:22] <knome> two columns, country and url
[17:22] <knome> yeah.
[17:22] <knome> why not?
[17:23] <pleia2> that seems reasonable
[17:23] <knome> that would justify using a table
[17:23] <knome> ;]
[17:23] <pleia2> hehe
[17:23] <knome> and the markup would be rather clean
[17:23] <pleia2> works for me
[17:23] <knome> and easy to remove/add items
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah
[17:23] <pleia2> ok, I can write that in a bit, then you can clean it up later :)
[17:23] <knome> sure
[17:23] <knome> sounds good
[17:24] <pleia2> great, that's the whole To do list, now we're on the page content review :)
[17:24] <knome> hehe
[17:24] <pleia2> as for home/ you sent a mail to the list with a mockup...
[17:24] <pleia2> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_sprint/website-changes-20111130.png
[17:24] <knome> yeah
[17:25] <pleia2> how well does that shrink on smaller screens? (think netbooks, phones)
[17:25] <knome> the top part: as badly as before
[17:25] <knome> bottom part: that will shrink better, as each column can be on-top-of-each-other
[17:26] <knome> phones *should* use the mobile/handheld stylesheet, which ain't done yet though
[17:26] <pleia2> hm, how can you read it if they are on top of each other/
[17:26] <pleia2> ?
[17:26] <knome> lol
[17:26] <knome> not in the 3d sense
[17:26] <pleia2> I guess I'm just unconvinced about the 3 columns :)
[17:27] <knome> Latest news
[17:27] <knome> blbalbalblablaala
[17:27] <knome> Second column
[17:27] <knome> blablablalbabla
[17:27] <knome> Important links
[17:27] <knome> lbalbalbalbablabl
[17:27] <pleia2> oh I see
[17:27] <knome> ^ like that
[17:27] <knome> on-top-of-each-other
[17:27] <knome> ;)
[17:27] <pleia2> that's great then
[17:27] <pleia2> oh! I forgot one part about the footer - can we get rid of all the Meta stuff?
[17:27] <knome> sure.
[17:28] <pleia2> maybe put Entries RSS somewhere useful, but everything else is bad
[17:28] <knome> well
[17:28] <knome> that way we could have both xubuntu links and useful links
[17:28] <knome> not sure how much sense that makes
[17:28] <pleia2> I think just useful links is good
[17:28] <knome> maybe do "useful links" and "mailing lists"
[17:28] <pleia2> I say just delete meta and have a less crowded footer
[17:28] <knome> mmh
[17:29] <pleia2> the lox slid off my bagel
[17:29] <pleia2> messy breakfast
[17:29] <knome> lox?
[17:29] <pleia2> smoked salmon
[17:30] <knome> hmm
[17:30] <knome> right
[17:30] <pleia2> we can think about this footer thing later
[17:30] <pleia2> I'm happy with the new design :)
[17:30] <knome> lax (in swedish) == salmon (in finnish; lohi)
[17:31] <pleia2> ah :)
[17:32] <pleia2> oh, what will actually be in the Second column on the front page?
[17:33] <knome> no idea. but i was thinking of putting pages not otherwise linked
[17:33] <knome> maybe something like the useful links.
[17:33] <knome> but more links
[17:34] <pleia2> ok
[17:34] <pleia2> the about page will have to be discussed later, since it's complicated and we need to review it further
[17:35] <knome> mmh
[17:35] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/tour/
[17:35] <pleia2> seem ok still?
[17:35] <knome> pretty good
[17:35] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/help/
[17:35] <knome> i might need to remove the bottom border on hover for images within a link
[17:36] <knome> or actually
[17:36] <baizon> nice look :)
[17:36] <knome> we need to remove the links from the images
[17:36] <pleia2> ah, those end up as clickable links
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah
[17:36] <baizon> well done
[17:36] <knome> yeah, you need to specify "no link" when adding to post
[17:36] <pleia2> thanks baizon
[17:36] <pleia2> ok, let me log in here and see...
[17:37] <knome> sorry for still partly having to focus on something else :/
[17:37] <madnick> I wonder something
[17:37] <madnick> How come this does this:
[17:37] <madnick> http://wp.xubuntu.org/fgdfdfsdfsdfsdf
[17:37] <pleia2> ok, removed links
[17:38] <knome> madnick, not-found links apparently show the archive.
[17:38] <madnick> yup
[17:38] <madnick> but thats not optimal :P
[17:38] <knome> o'rly
[17:38] <knome> :P
[17:40] <pleia2> ok, fixed clickable images on /help too
[17:41] <pleia2> I think /help is ok, I added the link to the FAQ last sprint time
[17:41] <knome> mm-hmm
[17:41] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/press/
[17:41] <ochosi> sorry i can't join your website-sprint today/now
[17:41] <pleia2> I think we just need to add links for 11.10, I'll grep through my logs, I post reviews in here pretty often
[17:42] <ochosi> have a nice evening though!
[17:42] <ochosi> ->
[17:42] <pleia2> thanks anyway ochosi, have a good one :)
[17:42] <pleia2> hm, actually, this page could use some love
[17:42] <knome> all you need is love
[17:43] <knome> pappadapaapaa
[17:43] <pleia2> :)
[17:43] <pleia2> I'll update it in the format it's in and we can discuss this one further later
[17:43] <knome> mm
[17:45] <pleia2> http://wp.xubuntu.org/contribute/
[17:45] <knome> hmm.
[17:46] <knome> i think we should rethink the images at the top
[17:46] <pleia2> yeah
[17:46] <knome> and probably the teams too
[17:46]  * pleia2 nods
[17:46] <pleia2> our wiki pretty well outlines the teams in the menu
[17:47] <pleia2> we are sort of duplicating wiki content on the site, not quite sure how to reconcile this yet
[17:48] <knome> mmh
[17:48] <knome> maybe try to cut down the website content
[17:48] <pleia2> wiki should probably be more ideas driven and detailed, and we link to wiki from the website
[17:48] <pleia2> yeah, so website has a quick overview to get people interested, they go to wiki for more
[17:49] <knome> yep
[17:49] <knome> wiki is also more easily editable
[17:49] <knome> at least for the developer community as whole
[17:49]  * pleia2 nods
[17:50] <pleia2> ok, so in the next week I'll go through the contribute/* pages and make some drafts, and suggestions as to what should move to the wiki (it looks like there is some valuable stuff on the site which isn't on the wiki)
[17:50] <knome> yeah
[17:50] <knome> sounds good :)
[17:50] <pleia2> last one! http://wp.xubuntu.org/developertools/
[17:51] <pleia2> add mailing list to this, any other thoughts?
[17:51] <knome> well that definitely needs some love
[17:51] <knome> maybe send a mail to mailing list to get ideas
[17:51] <knome> what is it what people need the most
[17:51] <knome> what would they like to see there
[17:51] <pleia2> ok
[17:52] <GridCube> i guess
[17:52] <pleia2> the one last thing I had is that we still have empty "Quick Links" on the right hand side of each page
[17:52] <GridCube> that there should be links to current xubuntu projects
[17:52] <GridCube> in the developer tols
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, yeah. i'm going to add the important links as well as the useful links there
[17:52] <GridCube> like to shimmer and stuff like that
[17:53] <knome> pleia2, do you think we want the newest articles there too?
[17:53] <pleia2> GridCube: ah! upstream
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: yeah, maybe
[17:54] <GridCube> something like; "Current Xubuntu Projects" > shimmer, madnick's lightdm API, some other thing
[17:54] <pleia2> xfce :)
[17:54] <GridCube> :P xfce
[17:54] <pleia2> maybe "Related Projects"
[17:54] <knome> yeah
[17:55] <knome> that's where shimmer belongs too
[17:55] <knome> as it's not a xubuntu project
[17:55] <GridCube> okay :)
[17:57] <pleia2> ok, added shimmer and xfce
[17:57] <pleia2> under a related projects heading
[17:57] <pleia2> hey vinnl :)
[17:58] <vinnl> Hey :)
[17:58] <pleia2> I'm about ready to wrap up, anyone have further thoughts?
[17:58] <pleia2> I'll email the list with our new To Do list :)
[17:59] <knome> not at this time
[17:59] <knome> thanks for going through it
[17:59] <pleia2> thanks knome, madnick and GridCube :)
[18:00] <madnick> :)
[18:00] <GridCube> :)
[18:05] <knome> i don't understand why imagemagick montage creates bigger images than specified in -geometry
[18:06] <knome> or i do, because that's the *tile* size, but the tile is bigger than that


[02:51] <akgraner> rww 's script skilz rule!
[02:51] <akgraner> thanks rww
[02:56] <pleia2> rww++
[02:56] <akgraner> everyone should get voting emails in just a few :-)
[02:57] <akgraner> unless you have a hidden address on which case those I don't have will get emails asking for them
[02:57] <pleia2> great job akgraner and rww :)
[02:57] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks :-)
[03:06] <switchgirl> pleia2, around?
[03:06] <pleia2> switchgirl: yep
[03:06] <switchgirl> :)
[03:06] <switchgirl> pm?
[03:06] <pleia2> sure
[03:06] <rww> pleia2: thanks :)
[03:14] <rww> akgraner: is there any more stuff we need to work on, or can I close out of my browser? my brother wants to use the computer for a little while
[03:15] <akgraner> I am just adding the addresses
[03:15] <akgraner> rww, you can close out now
[03:15] <akgraner> see how easy it is to set up
[03:16] <rww> yeah, CIVS itself was surprisingly easy :)
[03:18] <rww> akgraner: alright. From the look of it, the email for me in the member list I gave you is my rww.name one, so if you used my ubuntu.com one earlier to test the poll we're using, you'll want to remove the rww.name one from the list
[03:19] <akgraner> already did :-)
[03:45] <akgraner> People should be getting emails now :-)
[03:47] <pleia2> yep :)
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <vish>  issyl0 , etali : hi , are you still interested in the bugsquad and mentoring? we are assigning mentors now
[08:36] <vish> rather being mentored*
[08:37] <etali> vish, Good morning, I'm still interested.
[08:38] <vish> etali: neat. could you just mention the time available in your wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/etali
[08:38] <vish> we will be assigning maco shortly
[08:38] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:40] <etali> Great, thanks.
[08:40] <etali> Morning czajkowskiQ
[08:41] <etali> Err, that was supposed to be an "!".  Still haven't sipped my first coffee so can't see the keyboard :)
[08:43] <czajkowski> heh
[08:43] <czajkowski> etali: hey how are you
[08:45] <etali> Not bad thanks, crazy busy though - less than two months for a business trip / holiday and still no money to pay for it (the money we did have got spent on replacing three appliances that blew up in the same month)
[08:45] <etali> How are things on your end?
[08:47] <czajkowski> still job hunting, job interview tomorrow so we'll see
[08:47] <etali> Ooh, good luck!  Is that the AOL one, or am I miles behind?
[08:47] <czajkowski> have a funeral to go to today which is going to be hard, the guy was only a few years old than  I am
[08:47] <czajkowski> aye AOL
[08:48] <czajkowski> it'd be nice to get it, but not 100% sure it's for me
[08:48] <etali> Sorry to hear that :(  Was it someone close?
[08:49] <czajkowski> not seen him in a few months. but at college we wer on the same boards and used to drink together
[08:49] <czajkowski> he developed stomach cancer a few weeks ago
[08:51] <etali> That's terrible.  My father in law is battling a form of stomach cancer at the moment.
[08:52] <czajkowski> etali: I'm sorry :(
[08:53] <etali> He's in his late 60s - not that it makes it much better, but I can imagine you wanting to curse either a higher power, or medicine, when it's someone a lot younger.
[08:53] <czajkowski> aye, Paddy was only 34
[08:54] <czajkowski> but still I think stomach cancer is a bad one
[08:55] <hypatia> my gramps had that.  awful indeed.
[08:57] <etali> We live close to one of the best specialist centers in the country for it.  They referred him there, but they're not saying much about what's going on.
[08:57] <czajkowski> hypatia: morning
[08:58] <etali> morning, hypatia.
[08:58] <etali> On a brighter subject for this time of day, good luck with that job interview - and don't forget you can be interviewing them too :)
[08:59] <hypatia> is it morning?
[08:59] <hypatia> :)
[08:59] <hypatia> it's 1am in seattle... i'm back in toronto tomorrow.
[08:59] <czajkowski> etali: aye I always struggle what to ask them bit part tbh
[09:00] <etali> hypatia, 1am sort-of counts as morning?
[09:01] <czajkowski> when they ask do you have any questions for us
[09:01] <czajkowski> I tend to go blank
[09:01] <etali> czajkowski, Back when I worked in offices, I would look around at all the people on the floor when taking a tour, if the office was full of energy, it was a good sign, if people were imprisoned in cubicles I'd run.
[09:02] <czajkowski> *nodsa*
[09:02] <czajkowski> *nods*
[09:02] <czajkowski> hypatia: so sorry I got around to editing wiki,
[09:02] <hypatia> no worries
[14:29] <Pendulum> akgraner: was there a specific date in May that people needed to be in the launchpad group? your e-mail just says May
[14:30] <akgraner> Pendulum, no - not really - it really should be the 8th, but b/c of the way you have to pull the email addresses
[14:30] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:31] <akgraner> I think it only effects one or 2 people
[14:35] <akgraner> I will be so glad when the get Condorcet working with LP
[14:35] <akgraner> so you just have to drop the team name in and it knows what to do
[16:12] <issyl0> vish: oh no don't worry about that - thanks though!
[16:16] <vish> issyl0: cool, thanks. So we can de-activate your membership from the mentorship program then?
[16:17] <issyl0> vish: if you want - I may well sign up sometime again in the future, but not yet, so yes. :)
[16:17] <issyl0> vish: yes, in short.
[16:18] <vish> issyl0: sure , you can re-apply again. we are trying to keep the members up-to-date
[16:18] <issyl0> Ah cool.
[16:21] <issyl0> vish: OK :)
[17:16] <AlanBell> lauracow1n: nice event announcement on the podcast!


[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:41] <RikMills> plasma 5.24.7 is in proposed for testing for jammy
[19:00] <valorie> upgraded my travel lappy to kenetic last night -- quick, easy, painless and it's beautiful!
[19:01] <valorie> Thank you devel team for all your work!
[19:01] <RikMills> valorie: \o/
[19:02] <valorie> maybe tonight I will have the time to do this box -- gotta go now
[19:05] <keithzg[m]> I hopped on mastodon.technology last night after noticing 22.10 was released, intending to announce it there . . . and apparently that instance is shutting down whoops
[22:47] <valorie> keithzg[m]: that's why I sorta gave up on mastodon
[22:47] <valorie> love the idea, but the instances I was on kept disappearing
[22:48] <valorie> I like twitter, but who knows wth will happen if it's acquired
[22:48] <valorie> don't have high hopes there
[22:54] <keithzg[m]> valorie: I kinda love Mastodon (or really, The Fediverse in general) for that very reason but it's because I run my own instance at fediverse.keithzg.ca so I don't have to be at the mercy of anything other than perhaps my own laziness, granted it's a single-user instance and I'm not running it atop Ruby like Mastodon so I can understand why folks like whoever ran mastodon.technology wouldn't be able to keep it going :P
[22:54] <keithzg[m]> Yeah Twitter has been getting worse over time as it is, and I certainly can't imagine an Elon Musk takeover changing it for anything but the worse
[22:55] <valorie> it's a begger's bargain really -- go with the capitalist company who is all about profit or go with the volunteers who might disappear at any moment?
[22:55] <valorie> or do the work to run your own instance and then have people disappear on ya because of the above
[22:56] <valorie> the Fediverse is IMO what the internet was meant to be
[22:57] <valorie> before it was gobbled up by companies driven by profit


[02:13] <cyphermox> LocutusOfBorg1: hey, I think the "initial" state of bug 1513536 was correct in being a merge bug for jquery
[02:15] <cyphermox> if you want to do the merge, you should let doko know, but I don't think he'd mind :)
[05:55] <sarnold> dasjoe: probably a bug report against grub2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2  would be best; during the next two weeks there's not going to be many people around
[05:57] <sarnold> dasjoe: on a first guess, probably slangasek, xnox, infinity, or cyphermox would be 'best' for grub2 updates,
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> cyphermox, how can I merge something in main that depends from stuff in universe?
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> the merge will fail I guess
[10:08]  * LocutusOfBorg1 sometimes feels like he is missing something
[11:06] <geser> LocutusOfBorg1: check if the other stuff can move to main and file a MainInclusionReport (the alternative is to check if you can drop the other stuff easily)
[15:04] <lamont> wily install and do-release-upgrade -d to xenial, last thing it prints in the rootfs fsck... I suspect there's a missing package, maybe?
[15:30] <dasjoe> cjwatson: I sent some info to the Debian bug, let me know if I can do anything else
[16:54] <hallyn> slangasek: hey, if you're around, i have a q about pam-auth-update
[16:54] <hallyn> specifically, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806841  correctly points out that files under /usr shouldn't be updated.
[16:55] <hallyn> So is there any clean way to ask users to update the shipped defaults?  There is no /etc copy of the /usr/share/pam-configs/ files right?
[16:55] <hallyn> So I need to just ask them to update /etc/pam.d/common-session directly?
[16:56] <cjwatson> dasjoe: that's fine, thanks
[16:56] <cjwatson> sarnold: it's OK, I'll handle it (time permitting)
[17:00] <lamont> cyphermox: around?
[17:00] <cyphermox> lamont: yes
[17:00] <cyphermox> what's up?
[17:03] <lamont> sorry -meeting
[17:05] <lamont> cyphermox: amusing note: current xenial netinst produces a machine that boots to a point where it goes idle, and never produces a prompt
[17:05] <lamont> starting with trust or wily netinst and immediately do-release-upgrade to xenial, same issue
[17:05] <lamont> server install, of course, works just fine
[17:05] <lamont> where should I file the ubg?
[17:05] <lamont> bug
[17:07] <cyphermox> I don't know
[17:07] <cyphermox> if you get it after an upgrade too it seems likely that it would be my d-i merges that broke this
[17:08] <cyphermox> especially since I have yet to merge console-setup and kbd.
[17:09] <cyphermox> lamont: could you file it against systemd, and assign it to me? I'll try to reproduce it here and dig in
[17:11] <cyphermox> lamont: was that on a specific architecture?
[17:19] <lamont> cyphermox: amd64 vm
[17:19] <lamont> I'll even toss in the config
[17:20] <cyphermox> oh, cool
[17:20] <cyphermox> I already have an amd64 vm installing right now from netboot.
[17:20] <lamont> yeah - boring install... flat out booooooring
[17:21] <lamont> and then after it fails, losetup -f -o 1048576 $DISKDEVICE and presto, you have a filesystem you can scrounge around in with /var/log/syslog and everything
[17:22] <cyphermox> hm
[17:22] <cyphermox> I did just get a prompt with an install where I basically just hit enter a couple gazillion times
[17:22]  * lamont will include his tftp/etc
[17:22] <cyphermox> ok
[17:22] <lamont> once I get back into the machine :(
[17:25] <cyphermox> oh
[17:25] <lamont> in a separate issue, sda died on the box where all this is happening
[17:25] <cyphermox> I wonder if that might be an issue with the recent plymouth merge
[17:27] <cyphermox> ah, got it
[17:35] <cyphermox> lamont: if you get in grub, edit the command line to remove $vt_handoff
[17:36] <cyphermox> (that may be doing things wrong, but it should get you a prompt until I make more sense of it all)
[19:35] <lamont> cyphermox: I "just" did my one-off install that I needed, via a server iso.
[19:38] <cyphermox> ok
[19:42] <lamont> I think my system would boot better if there were kernels in /boot :(
[19:43] <lamont> OTOH, lunch was good.
[20:35] <cyphermox> lamont: did you file that bug report?
[20:55] <lamont> cyphermox: not quite yet.  give me about 5 min and I'll be all over it... doing a little bit of headscratching on a different issue
[21:01] <lamont> cyphermox: would pxelinux.0 differnces explain it? (as in using trusty's pxelinux.0 to boot xenial?)
[21:01] <cyphermox> lamont: I don't believe so
[21:01] <lamont> heh.
[21:01] <lamont> actually, I have this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26461 Apr 23  2012 pxelinux.0
[21:01] <cyphermox> I used a very recent mini.iso I built myself from our d-i branch to test console-setup
[21:02] <lamont> so make that a precise pxelinux.0
[21:02] <cyphermox> plus what you're booting in the end should be the right-ish kernel for the release
[21:03] <cyphermox> I think this is something that got changed in the kernel or in plymouth, related to the vt handoff, but I'd need to look harder at that
[21:03] <cyphermox> (so if you haven't filed the bug, perhaps make it against plymouth)
[21:13] <lamont> ah, I'm about "this close" and don't want to star tover...
[21:27] <lamont> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1528956 <-- cyphermox - I'll let you reassign, if that's ok
[21:27] <lamont> cyphermox: the fact that the server iso install works, leads  me to suspect that it's deps or something ?


[07:50] <pitti> jdstrand_: e-d-s had a manual dependency on libgdata7, I fixed that over the weekend; CDs built again
[12:28] <lamont> rolling new natty tarballs, btw
[14:36] <jibel> cjwatson, is there a rebuild of xubuntu desktop amd64 scheduled today? X segfaults on amd64 with the current image.
[14:44] <cjwatson> dunno
[14:44] <cjwatson> is there a reason to believe that a rebuild would fare any better?
[14:53] <jibel> cjwatson, bug 709977 has been fixed yesterday. other images are fine now and I wanted to verify that xubuntu was ok too.
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709977 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in RemoveDevice() - segfault at 1010 error 4 in evdev_drv.so (affects: 37) (dups: 15) (heat: 214)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709977
[14:55] <cjwatson> jibel: well, xubuntu desktop amd64 was already built this morning
[14:55] <cjwatson> and it contains that version
[14:55] <cjwatson> so I'm not sure why a rebuild would help, again :)
[15:06] <jibel> cjwatson, the images are syncing now, I tried earlier and there was no xubuntu desktop iso for today. weird.
[15:09] <jdstrand_> pitti: re libgdata7. oh? I checked the build logs for e-d-s on all archs and it pulled in libgdata11. I am almost certain I did checkrdepends too, but it is possible I forgot the -b flag...
[15:09] <jdstrand_> pitti: sorry about that. btw, where do you see that CD images are failing to build?
[15:27] <pitti> jdstrand_: right, it linked against libgdata11 (through shlibs:Depens), but had an obsolete additional libgdata7 dependency
[15:28] <pitti> jdstrand_: the release team gets the failed logs emailed
[15:28] <pitti> jdstrand_: don't worry, it was easy to fix, and a real bug anyway
[15:28] <seb128> pitti, speaking of which there was a merge request with the fix waiting on launchpad
[15:29] <pitti> seb128: dropping the dependency?
[15:29] <seb128> yes
[15:29]  * pitti closes
[15:29] <jdstrand> pitti: ok. I'll take a look at the last package to see what it did so I can try to not make the same mistake in the future
[15:30] <pitti> seb128: updated, thanks
[15:30] <seb128> thanks
[15:31] <jdstrand> pitti: should I get those u-r emails? are they to a list or just an alias/exploder?
[15:32] <pitti> jdstrand: I'm not sure, cjwatson would know more
[15:34] <cjwatson> manually maintained list
[15:34] <cjwatson> I can add you if you like
[15:35] <cjwatson> preferred address?
[15:35] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I took this to be a long term responsibility. as such, it seems like it would make sense so I can at least be more proactive in me reacting :)
[15:36] <jdstrand> cjwatson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be great
[15:36] <jdstrand> s/me/my/
[15:37] <cjwatson> ok, thanks, done
[15:38] <jdstrand> cjwatson: thank you
[17:11] <ara> pitti, cjwatson: sorry about being that picky about testing from -proposed before eglibc and d-i go into -updates. We want to find regressions if there are any, but it is a very expensive testing, so we wouldn't like to start testing, then validation failures are found on those packages, and we have to start all over again
[17:12] <pitti> ara: that's fine; that's why we have these meetings, to figure out what will work for everyone :)
[17:12]  * skaet nods
[17:13]  * pitti -> dinner
[17:13] <ara> good night all
[17:52] <charlie-tca> do we have any daily/daily-live images of Xubuntu lucid 10.04.2?
[17:54] <cjwatson> probably not at the moment, I can do some if they're going to be tested
[18:03] <ScottK> Looks like Kubuntu live i386 on Lucid managed to get oversized.
[18:03] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ thoughts on this?
[18:05] <Riddell> remove a language pack I guess
[18:06] <pitti> there are none left on Kubuntu live :/
[18:06] <pitti> except -en
[18:06] <pitti> you could drop language-support-en
[18:06] <pitti> Riddell: so the gvfs removal didn't help enough?
[18:08] <Riddell> pitti: "lucid"
[18:08] <Riddell> natty is fine
[18:08] <pitti> ah
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you kick off the powerpc rebuild in Natty?  Curious how it's going.
[18:10] <Riddell> still ongoing..
[18:14] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: I can wait for the iso testing, if you prefer
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I asked because I couldn't find them, but if they are not there, it is okay today
[21:42] <stgraber> just FYI, I'm currently fixing LTSP in Ubuntu. I'll be uploading a new ldm now which should fix the biggest issue (non-working gnome).
[21:43] <stgraber> I haven't tested installing LTSP from alternate yet but if it's broken, it'll likely be in ltsp itself and not ldm. Will test it tomorrow morning.


[01:59] <shakes808> hello all. I want to know if there is a way to get a project on to github.com that isn't already a git project? Is there a way to upload files into a repo?
[02:22] <rick_h_> git init && git add * && ...
[02:51] <CrusaderAD> Anyone here get the evolution-calendar-factory internal error?
[13:18] <tony-smlr> SLMR us Live  http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=6yIO4Vd-c7U
[13:19] <tony-smlr> SLMR us Live http://kwisher.dyndns-at-home.com:8000/streaming
[16:44] <snap-l> Ah, open windows = A+
[16:59] <brousch> snap-l: Hacking your neighbors' computers?
[17:18] <snap-l> Heh
[17:27] <snap-l> God, I wish they'd get rid of suspend
[22:52] <snap-l> Evening ( in 8 minutes)
[22:53] <snap-l> OUr damn cat has been rippy
[22:59] <brousch> rippy?
[23:05] <snap-l> ripping through the house


[03:58] <HeliNomad> Hey guys can I ask a support question?
[05:05] <tomreyn> !ask | HeliNomad
[05:07] <tomreyn> so yes, please do. and if you can't get a response after some time, ask in #ubuntu instead. after all, this channel stilll thinks the latest LTS release is 16.04.
[05:10] <HeliNomad> I'm getting an error with this code:  sudo mount -t cifs -o username=username //<IP_ADDRESS>/ShareVolume ~/ShareLoc/
[05:10] <HeliNomad> mount error(13): Permission denied
[05:10] <HeliNomad> Password isn't the issue.
[05:12] <HeliNomad> Share is hosted on a Mac
[05:13] <HeliNomad> Just trying to mount it...can't figure it out.
[07:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:03] <lordievader> HeliNomad: What do you see when you add the `-v` flag?
[08:09] <rbasak> teward: thanks!
[08:10] <rbasak> teward: please make sure you don't burn out on this though. I appreciate your work, but I just want to make sure you don't feel obliged to do it. The people who want the features can be expected to do most of the work :)
[14:27] <HeliNomad> lordievader This is what I get: user@skunky1:~$ sudo mount -t cifs -o username=user //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie ~/SharePoint/ -v
[14:27] <HeliNomad> Password for<EMAIL_ADDRESS> **********
[14:27] <HeliNomad> mount.cifs kernel mount options: ip=<IP_ADDRESS>,unc=\\<IP_ADDRESS>\LaCie,user=user,pass=********
[14:27] <HeliNomad> mount error(13): Permission denied
[14:27] <HeliNomad> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
[14:29] <lordievader> Is your user allowed to access both the share and the sharepoint?
[14:30] <HeliNomad> Yes.  I am able to mount the share on my mac using smb://<IP_ADDRESS> with the same credentials
[14:40] <HeliNomad> I found this article but not sure how to change my line to implement the "fix" they are talking about.  Seems that they are doing this in fstab and I just want the mount to done on demand, not on startup: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209987
[14:43] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: You'd use something like this: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=user,sec=ntlmssp,nounix //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie ~/SharePoint/ -v
[14:43] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: I'd try to leave out "nounix" first
[14:43] <HeliNomad> Oh I see needs a comma after user
[14:44] <HeliNomad> I was trying to append the sec= to the end
[14:44] <HeliNomad> sorry I'm new to linux
[14:45] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: sec=ntlmssp is reported to be the "new" default already so it likely won't help
[14:46] <HeliNomad> Yeah didn't change anything in the results
[14:46] <HeliNomad> Should I try adding the nounix?
[14:46] <sdeziel> sure
[14:46] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: there are many more values that sec= accepts, see "man mount.cifs"
[14:47] <HeliNomad> Yes I see that
[14:47] <HeliNomad> Let me run through those
[14:48] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: I'm not sure if "Permission denied" could be due to a version mismatch but this definitely changed no the linux side. If I were you, I'd try adding vers=1.0
[14:48] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: and if that doesn't work, I'd go with vers=2.1
[14:49] <HeliNomad> where do you add that
[14:49] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=user,vers=1.0 //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie ~/SharePoint/ -v
[14:50] <sdeziel> LaCie sounds like a potentially old'ish NAS which is why I'd try an old version
[14:50] <HeliNomad> and to add sec?  just:  sudo mount -t cifs -o username=user,vers=1.0,sec=ntlmssp //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie ~/SharePoint/ -v
[14:51] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: I would recommend to try the command I provided as is first
[14:52] <HeliNomad> That gives me a:  mount error(22): Invalid argument
[14:53] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: was that with or without the sec=ntlmssp?
[14:53] <HeliNomad> without
[14:54] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: hmm, what kernel version are you running? "uname -r" will tell you
[14:54] <HeliNomad> 4.15.0-88-generic
[14:55] <HeliNomad> Everything is up to date
[14:56] <sdeziel> OK good, could you share the output of "tail /var/log/kern.log"
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:53:28 skunky1 kernel: [592441.451291] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:53:46 skunky1 kernel: [592458.868524] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:53:46 skunky1 kernel: [592458.868543] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:53:46 skunky1 kernel: [592458.868655] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:17 skunky1 kernel: [592489.546557] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:17 skunky1 kernel: [592489.546575] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:17 skunky1 kernel: [592489.546691] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:30 skunky1 kernel: [592502.726243] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:30 skunky1 kernel: [592502.726257] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13
[14:56] <HeliNomad> Mar  4 14:54:30 skunky1 kernel: [592502.726353] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13
[14:58] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: thanks but please use a pastebin service next time for multiline outputs ;)
[14:58] <HeliNomad> Oops sorry
[14:59] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: are you 100% sure you have the password right? Have you tried typing it somewhere where you can visually inspect it to catch errors introduced by the wrong keyboard layout for example
[15:00] <HeliNomad> Yes 100%.  I am able to mount the drive in Mac OS using Connect to Server: smb://<IP_ADDRESS> logging in with the same credentials and it works.
[15:00] <HeliNomad> I have a feeling it has to do with Mac OS Catalina's SMB file sharing protocol not jiving with CIFS in mount.cifs
[15:01] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: it's possible I'd try putting the username/password in a file as explained here https://thinkinginsoftware.blogspot.com/2011/09/cifs-vfs-cifsmount-failed-return-code.html
[15:02] <HeliNomad> Sure I can.  But just practically speaking what would be the difference.
[15:07] <sdeziel> in theory it would be identical, in practice it's worth trying. Worst case, you'll save keystrokes when mounting the share ;)
[15:08] <HeliNomad> So do I need to store the password file in /root/cifs/cifs_credentials.txt
[15:09] <sdeziel> no, a file in your home will do. Make sure to "chmod 0600" the file as it contains your creds
[15:10] <HeliNomad> chmod 0600 does what?
[15:10] <genii> Makes the file immutable
[15:10] <sdeziel> "chmod 0600 cifs_credentials.txt" would make sure the file is only read/writable by it's owner
[15:10] <HeliNomad> got it
[15:11] <HeliNomad> doing it now...i'll report back
[15:11] <sdeziel> to be pedantic, it's not immutable as that would be "chattr +i" ;)
[15:17] <HeliNomad> File created, new command is:  sudo mount -t cifs -o credentials=~/creds/cifs_credentials.txt //<IP_ADDRESS>/LaCie ~/SharePoint/
[15:17] <HeliNomad> Still getting:  mount error(13): Permission denied
[15:23] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: I've seen some suggesting to add this to your credentials file: domain=WORKGROUP
[15:24] <HeliNomad> sdeziel Yes I've tried all the arguments suggested in that article you shared
[15:24] <HeliNomad> All produce the same output
[15:24] <HeliNomad> For what it's worth, I just tried it with a windows share and it works
[15:24] <HeliNomad> Something about the Mac is causing the issues here
[15:25] <sdeziel> domain= was not in the blog post I provided though
[15:31] <sdeziel> HeliNomad: I'm sorry I couldn't help you. At this point I'm out of ideas and would iterate through various param vers=, nounix, etc until it starts working .... :/
[16:22] <HeliNomad> Thanks.  Yes it's a head scratcher.  If I find the fix I'll report back
[22:55] <teward> rbasak: burnout working on nginx and such?  Nope not happening heh.  This is a welcome addition to my regular tasks.  Theres a higher risk of burnout at my regular job than working with Ubuntu packages and tasks ;)
[22:56] <teward> Its why I am always willing to put effort in as volunteering right now - its things I can actually fix heh
[22:56] <teward> (In reply to the really ancient pings heh)
[22:56] <rbasak> teward: happy that you're volunteering. Thank you!
[22:56] <rbasak> I just wanted to make sure that you didn't feel obligated.