[11:38] <sakrecoer_> looking at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu maybe we should update it?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, there is no shortage of outdated documentation.  addressing that alone would earn you a place in project lead heaven
[11:39] <sakrecoer_> :D
[11:40] <sakrecoer_> long time since i instalked US that way, but i remember ut being fairly simple with synaptic..
[11:43] <sakrecoer_> zequence: the ubuntustudio controls are ment to facilitate that installation process, right?
[11:46] <sakrecoer_> i'll digg into it this week. :) also, good day y'all!
[11:46] <sakrecoer_> (or night maybe:)
[11:47] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, take a peek at the wall paper the kylin team sent in
[11:49] <sakrecoer_> hmm the flickr page hides half the photos on my phone... is it the one with the spacerocket?
[11:50] <cfhowlett> nope.  fireball studio
[11:50] <sakrecoer_> (my phone is old)
[11:50] <cfhowlett> So I see
[11:50] <cfhowlett> :0
[11:50] <sakrecoer_> ok.. that one must be in the hidden column, i'll check it later :)
[12:32] <zequence> sakrecoer_: That page used to be maintained by ttoine, who is the guy who handles the webshop
[12:33] <zequence> It's a bit extensive, and IMO, it could be replaced by something a lot simpler
[12:33] <zequence> ubuntustudio-controls is for setting up the system. There's also a package called ubuntustudio-installer
[12:34] <zequence> By setting up the system, I mean administering realtime privilege, and such. Right now, that is all it does - administers realtime privilege
[12:40] <zequence> Here's the feature definition page for it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioControls
[12:41] <zequence> I've played around with jack and PA control in the past (must be two years ago now, that I did that)
[12:41] <zequence> But, that won't happen this year, at least not by me
[12:52] <knome> re: the font discussion, we're looking what we want to use with xubuntu; i'll inform you what we decide to do when i know more
[12:53] <knome> i'm currently going through the fonts available in the repository
[14:15] <OvenWerks> knome: any problem if Studio just follows xubuntu's lead on that?
[14:15]  * OvenWerks thinks have been anyway.
[14:25] <knome> OvenWerks, no problem at all, that's why i posted it here :)
[14:25] <knome> OvenWerks, i mean, you should probably look what we are doing to make sure you aren't completely disagreeing..
[14:26] <OvenWerks> knome: I would be happy using fvwm, I am not the one to ask...
[14:27] <OvenWerks> knome: there are some who want it touchable too...
[14:27] <OvenWerks> (or at least use with a tablet input device)
[14:28] <knome> i can understand that
[14:33] <OvenWerks> knome: it is not that hard to change panel/menu size. Or to put extra panels around the edge with apps in them.... But not as default I think.
[14:37] <zequence> Yeah, we should do a sync with Xubuntu again before FF, and follow any changes they make before release
[15:01] <sakrecoer_> i'm also voicing in favour of sync with xubuntu :)
[15:15] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: fvwm, you mean this right? http://www.fvwm.org
[15:19] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: Yes, it is the first desktop I used when I actually started having enough memeory to use X back in the late 90s.
[15:20] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: as it was manual setup, I got to know it quite well.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: to be honest though, I don't mis having to hand edit the menu every time I added a new application :P  the standard way slackware got around that was to pre fill the menu if the application was iunstalled or not.
[15:35] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: right! somehow i remember you mentioning something called "whisker".. :)
[15:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: whisker is the default menu in xubuntu.
[15:41]  * sakrecoer_ is facepalming itself
[15:41] <sakrecoer_> hehe
[15:42] <sakrecoer_> right... reading up now... its not yet implemented in studio, right=
[15:42] <sakrecoer_> ?
[15:43] <sakrecoer_> i'm familiar with it via my parents computer tho.. :) they roll with xubuntu
[15:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I am actually running both in my 14.04 right now. Installed or not, the user can add a normal menu instead (or as well)
[15:45] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: whisker does not do so well with submenus (which we use) and by default does not look at menu file layout commands. It makes our menu look pretty messy in my opinion.
[15:45] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: for my use, I find whisker requires more mouse clicks than the default menu.
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> i guess, if you remember all the app names, it is fine... but then you could also be happy with terminal :)
[15:47] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: for a normal desktop with relatively few applications, like browser and writer, whisker is actually quite nice.


[11:37] <johk> @waveform: got the cam to work with current 64bit raspbian. Very unintuitive, and only working with a patched libcamera... none of the standard raspian jazz


[04:03] <Muscovy> Indecisive sleeper.
[04:33] <UndiFineD> maybe his xchat is nacroleptic
[04:34] <UndiFineD> oh I was asleep
[04:34] <UndiFineD> time for bed the
[04:34] <UndiFineD> n
[08:54] <MixCool> good morning :)
[15:37] <MixCool> hey folks :)
[15:47] <MixCool> hi Silasle
[15:47] <Silasle> Hi
[15:47] <Silasle> Done something whit the dashboard?
[15:47] <MixCool|Screens> no not really
[15:48] <MixCool|Screens> I create new screenshots
[15:48] <MixCool|Screens> in about-ubuntu en and de
[15:48] <Silasle> Ok
[15:48] <MixCool|Screens> i do now the other langs
[15:48] <MixCool|Screens> so there all uniform
[15:48] <MixCool|Screens> well, I could start with swedish :D
[15:49] <Silasle> I could translate the Swedish but i'm to lazy :P
[15:49] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[15:50] <MixCool|Screens> I'll start with translating to German, when the english texts are finished up
[15:50] <Silasle> I'll start translating if we get launchpad translations running
[15:50] <MixCool|Screens> but i seems that about-ubuntu has been finished
[15:50] <MixCool|Screens> we'll get launchpad support? cool :)
[15:51] <Silasle> I don't know if we will but i hope so
[15:51] <MixCool|Screens> I hope, too
[15:51] <MixCool|Screens> rosetta is great
[15:52] <MixCool|Screens> is swedish "sw_SW" ??
[15:52] <Silasle> sv?
[15:52] <MixCool|Screens> ohh :D
[15:52] <MixCool|Screens> typo, like you yesterday :P
[15:53] <Silasle> Which typo?
[15:53] <MixCool|Screens> yesterday? cata :D
[15:53] <Silasle> That was madnessred
[15:54] <MixCool|Screens> ohh :D my fault :D
[15:54] <MixCool|Screens> I'm sorry
[15:59] <MixCool|Screens> svenska (Sverige) is the right one, or?
[15:59] <Silasle> mmm
[16:00] <MixCool|Screens> k
[16:12] <MixCool|Screens> hey MadnessRed
[16:12] <MadnessRed> hi
[16:13] <MixCool|Screens> I created new screenshots
[16:13] <MadnessRed> klkl
[16:13] <MixCool|Screens> should I push them?
[16:14] <MadnessRed> they are pngs yh?
[16:14] <MixCool|Screens> yeah
[16:14] <MixCool|Screens> I optimized them
[16:14] <MixCool|Screens> so there very small
[16:14] <MixCool|Screens> *they're
[16:14] <MadnessRed> ok, go for it then, as long as they look ok full size
[16:15] <MixCool|Screens> yeah
[16:15] <MixCool|Screens> one moment
[16:18] <MadnessRed> kk,
[16:21] <MixCool|Screens> ah
[16:21] <MixCool|Screens> finish
[16:21] <MixCool|Screens> rev347
[16:33] <MadnessRed> klkl
[16:40] <UndiFineD> :)
[16:40] <MixCool|Screens> hey UndiFineD
[16:40] <UndiFineD> just got back from my daughters piano lessons
[16:40] <MixCool|Screens> ah :D
[16:41] <UndiFineD> 1 year and she is at beethoven next week
[16:41] <MixCool|Screens> good :)
[17:01] <MixCool|Screens> UndiFineD: Is there a wikipage or somethink like that, where I could note, which screenshots have been finished?
[17:02] <UndiFineD> no there isnt at the moment
[17:02] <MixCool|Screens> hmm…
[17:03] <UndiFineD> something like a table form is that possible on lp >?
[17:03] <MixCool|Screens> should I create a file in project-folder?
[17:03] <MixCool|Screens> a table with oo calc?
[17:04] <MixCool|Screens> where we can check all our things, like screenshots, texts etc.
[17:04] <UndiFineD> on Lanunch pad
[17:04] <UndiFineD> bleh
[17:04] <UndiFineD> on Launch pad
[17:04] <MixCool|Screens> where?
[17:07] <MixCool|Screens> UndiFineD: I need an exact location :D
[17:09] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Screenshots
[17:09] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[17:10] <MixCool|Screens> a new paragraph called what?
[17:12] <UndiFineD> making a change
[17:12] <UndiFineD> look at the bottom now
[17:12] <MixCool|Screens> a good
[17:12] <MixCool|Screens> thanks
[17:13] <MixCool|Screens> what meens available=
[17:13] <MixCool|Screens> ?
[17:13] <UndiFineD> if the image is there, yes/no
[17:13] <MixCool|Screens> ah
[17:13] <UndiFineD> and then if it is optimized
[17:13] <MixCool|Screens> and shot = how many?
[17:13] <UndiFineD> yes/no
[17:13] <UndiFineD> sometimes there are 4 images on a page
[17:14] <UndiFineD> so a simple 1,2,3,4,5 would do
[17:14] <MixCool|Screens> ohh… thats to inconvenient for me
[17:14] <UndiFineD> itś just an example
[17:14] <MixCool|Screens> I create screenshots for a tour/language
[17:14] <UndiFineD> fill it how you want to
[17:15] <MixCool|Screens> so I don't need chapter and available
[17:15] <MixCool|Screens> I'll edit it…
[17:15] <UndiFineD> :)
[17:18] <MixCool|Screens> takes a long time to save it o.O
[17:18] <MixCool|Screens> ahh …
[17:18] <MixCool|Screens> look now
[17:21] <UndiFineD> :)
[17:27] <MixCool|Screens> :)
[17:28] <UndiFineD> ah thatś quick
[17:29] <MixCool|Screens> yeah
[17:53] <Silasle> What was that terminal command to temporary change your language?
[17:55] <MixCool|Screens> UndiFineD: Could you send me an firefox screenshot with the ubuntu-startpage with ubuntu-font?
[17:57] <UndiFineD> my firefox is rather broken
[17:57] <UndiFineD> i prefer chrome
[17:58] <UndiFineD> is contuesly ask to start in safe mode
[17:58] <MixCool|Screens> you meen chromium?
[17:58] <UndiFineD> yes
[17:58] <MixCool|Screens> k
[17:58] <MixCool|Screens> me too
[17:58] <MixCool|Screens> it's faster
[17:58] <MixCool|Screens> and looks smoother
[18:00] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/firefox.png
[18:00] <MixCool|Screens> thx
[18:01] <MixCool|Screens> very large screen… wow
[18:02] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/firefox2.png
[18:02] <UndiFineD> this is with ubuntu font set as default
[18:02] <MixCool|Screens> yeah
[18:02] <MixCool|Screens> k… I finished dutch :)
[18:03] <UndiFineD> not sure if that is what the starting page should be
[18:03] <MixCool|Screens> not really :D
[18:03] <UndiFineD> i upgraded to 10.10 from 10.04
[18:03] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[18:03] <UndiFineD> and that is how my firefox got broken
[18:04] <MixCool|Screens> I always reinstall ubuntu
[18:04] <UndiFineD> I had alpha, beta and rc issues
[18:05] <UndiFineD> so upgrading worked for me
[18:05] <MixCool|Screens> after a while I install/compile and try much apps and my ubuntu is full of broken dependencies
[18:05] <Silasle> MixCool|Screens: This one? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-34.png
[18:05] <MixCool|Screens> yeah
[18:05] <MixCool|Screens> thats the original start page of ubuntu 10.10
[18:06] <MixCool|Screens> damn it… all of you have large screens :'(
[18:06] <UndiFineD> 23"
[18:06] <Silasle> What do you want whit that screenshot?
[18:06] <Silasle> 20"
[18:06] <MixCool|Screens> I prefered a dutch one
[18:06] <MixCool|Screens> but now i finished up
[18:07] <MixCool|Screens> -,- 15.4"
[18:07] <MixCool|Screens> notebook
[18:08] <MixCool|Screens> whois from netherlands?
[18:08] <UndiFineD> ok again with about:home faulting
[18:08] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/firefox2.png
[18:08] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/firefox3.png
[18:08] <UndiFineD> o/
[18:08] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[18:08]  * UndiFineD is dutch
[18:08] <MixCool|Screens> ah good
[18:08] <MixCool|Screens> could I delete the "unused" pics?
[18:08] <Silasle> :P
[18:08] <UndiFineD> i think i need to purge ff
[18:09] <MixCool|Screens> yeah :D
[18:09] <MixCool|Screens> ff is crap
[18:09] <Silasle> stimmt  8-)
[18:10] <Silasle> (translation=agree/true)
[18:10] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[18:10] <MixCool|Screens> UndiFineD: could I delete the folder "unused" in about-ubuntu/images
[18:10] <Silasle> The big red O FTW
[18:10] <MixCool|Screens> ^^
[18:11] <UndiFineD> MixCool|Screens, yeah that is fine
[18:11] <MixCool|Screens> k
[18:11] <UndiFineD> all dutch need to be redone anyway
[18:14] <MixCool|Screens> I redone it :D
[18:14] <MixCool|Screens> but my bazaar is crazy
[18:14] <MixCool|Screens> -,-
[18:14] <UndiFineD> purged 3.6
[18:14] <MixCool|Screens> how can I delete an added task?
[18:14] <UndiFineD> installing 4.0
[18:15] <UndiFineD> try bazaar explorer
[18:15] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[18:15] <MixCool|Screens> but i love terminal :D
[18:15] <UndiFineD> i mainly use that to resolve issues and view the logs
[18:15] <MixCool|Screens> k
[18:15] <MixCool|Screens> i search for it in usc
[18:17] <MixCool|Screens> is it written in gtk or qt?
[18:17] <UndiFineD> gtk
[18:18] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:21] <MixCool|Screens> it's written in qt
[18:22] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/firefox4.0.png
[18:23] <UndiFineD> looks promising ...
[18:23] <MixCool|Screens> not really :D
[18:23] <UndiFineD> like, it will blow up in your face every time
[18:24] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[18:25] <Silasle> 4.0 is better then 3.* at least, which isn't saying much ;)
[18:25] <UndiFineD> my browsers are: chromium, firefox 3.6, chrome, midori, minefield 4.0, opera
[18:25] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[18:26] <MixCool|Screens> i used midori, but I haven't a good password-manager
[18:26] <UndiFineD> I prefer chromium atm
[18:26] <MixCool|Screens> so I use chromium
[18:26] <Silasle> UndiFineD: In that order?
[18:26] <UndiFineD> and my youtube flash works again since 3 days
[18:27] <UndiFineD> Silasle, in that order they are on the menu, I just use chromium
[18:27] <Silasle> Ok :P
[18:30] <Silasle> 1. Opera 2. Chrom(e/ium) 3. Midori 4. Minefield 5. Safari 6. Firefox 7. Konquerer 8. IE
[18:30] <MixCool|Screens> UndiFineD: I need your help in configuration my upload
[18:30] <Silasle> Have i missed any?
[18:30] <MixCool|Screens> should I overwrite diffs?
[18:31] <MixCool|Screens> could you show me in a screenshot which configuration you choose in push?
[18:32] <UndiFineD> I just pull first
[18:32] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:32] <MixCool|Screens> and the other three unchecked, right?
[18:33] <UndiFineD> I have just one tree
[18:33] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:33] <MixCool|Screens> I don't use bzr for a long time :D
[18:35] <MixCool|Screens> ok… rev 349 is pushed
[18:35] <MixCool|Screens> new screens for nl_NL
[18:37] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/rev349.png
[18:38] <MixCool|Screens> yh?
[18:38] <UndiFineD> see the logo
[18:38] <UndiFineD> itś falling off the screen
[18:39] <MixCool|Screens> it's the one I picked up in en-folder
[18:39] <MixCool|Screens> I cut it
[18:39] <MixCool|Screens> mom
[18:39] <UndiFineD> nah
[18:39] <UndiFineD> should be fine when we have the other menu
[18:39] <UndiFineD> MichealH,
[18:40] <UndiFineD> eh
[18:40] <UndiFineD> MixCool|Screens,
[18:40] <MixCool|Screens> :D
[18:40] <MixCool|Screens> I fixed it
[18:40] <UndiFineD> too fast to tab
[18:40] <MixCool|Screens> an then we could center it
[18:40] <MixCool|Screens> or?
[18:41] <MixCool|Screens> so
[18:44] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:44] <MixCool|Screens> pull now
[18:44] <UndiFineD> yeah, better when i resized it
[18:44] <MixCool|Screens> ok :)
[18:46] <MixCool|Screens> wow… 25MB for »Portugees« :D
[18:47] <UndiFineD> ?
[18:48] <UndiFineD> total tour is 18.5 mb now
[18:48] <MixCool|Screens> language-pack
[18:48] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[18:48] <MixCool|Screens> the images are optimized
[18:49] <MixCool|Screens> what was the size yesterday?
[18:49] <UndiFineD> unselected: Docs, Languages, mock-ups, TODO, .bzr
[18:49] <UndiFineD> yesterday it was 17.5
[18:49] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[18:50] <MixCool|Screens> why so much?
[18:50] <MixCool|Screens> I deleted "unused"?
[18:50] <MixCool|Screens> ah… I added svedish :D
[18:50] <UndiFineD> shall I take out the languages dir ?
[18:51] <MixCool|Screens> what kind of dir is that?
[18:51] <UndiFineD> oh just a collection of directories that matches the language packs of gnome / kde
[18:51] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:51] <MixCool|Screens> let it there
[18:54] <UndiFineD> 139 languages out of 254 countries ?
[18:55] <MixCool|Screens> hmm
[18:55] <MixCool|Screens> ok… it's trash, isn't it?
[18:56] <UndiFineD> that is what they use
[18:56] <UndiFineD> and therefore LP uses
[18:56] <MixCool|Screens> ok
[18:57] <MixCool|Screens> let it there as a reference
[19:00] <MixCool|Screens> well… I continue with pt_BR
[19:00] <MixCool|Screens> who wrote the texts?
[19:01] <UndiFineD> not sure, check the logs
[19:02] <UndiFineD> I'll have dinner now
[19:03] <MixCool|Screens> Enjoy your meal!
[20:05] <UndiFineD> back
[20:05] <MixCool|Screens> wb
[20:06] <UndiFineD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_OtADFDe0 soulvation, I just can't stop. seen them live
[20:25] <MixCool|Screens> pt_BR finished
[20:27] <MixCool|Screens> good night folks
[20:27] <UndiFineD> ah bedtime ?
[20:28] <MixCool> not really, but time to read a good book ;)
[20:28] <UndiFineD> ok, enjoy :)
[20:28] <MixCool> bb
[20:29] <MixCool> *thanks :D


[01:56] <Fudge> anyone aware if isc-dhcp-server has known issues in xenial currently?
[02:09] <Fudge> using my config from trusty but
[02:15] <Fudge> nothing
[02:17] <ChibaPet> Fudge: It should throw errors in a log if it doesn't like your config.
[02:17] <Fudge> there are errors, about permissions on /var/;iob/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases
[02:18] <ChibaPet> Next, use something like netstat -nap to see if it's listening.
[02:18] <Fudge> there are errors about  not being able to append to /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases
[02:18] <ChibaPet> Ah. Then check the ownership and permissions of that file.
[02:18] <Fudge> who should own it, dhcpd or root?
[02:19] <ChibaPet> It's 0644 root:root on my Debian DHCP server here. They could have changed it, though.
[02:20] <Fudge> so i jsut deleted the dhcpd.leases
[02:20] <Fudge> then clients are getting assigne dip addresses
[02:20] <Fudge> which are online
[02:20] <Fudge> but not all
[02:22] <ChibaPet> dip addresses?
[02:22] <ChibaPet> You should see lease negotiation traffic in syslog anyway.
[02:22] <ChibaPet> or... somewhere. I'm still an Ubuntu noob.
[02:32] <Fudge> bug #1535952
[02:33] <ChibaPet> Or, that.
[02:34] <Fudge> so for the tiem being things are working
[02:35] <Fudge> -rw-r--r--  1 dhcpd dhcpd 2335 Feb 26 13:34 dhcpd.leases
[02:35] <Fudge> it creates the files as root but apparently needs to be owned by dhcpd
[02:36] <ChibaPet> Ah, it opens its priv'd port as root and then drops privs. So they *did* change it. That's a good change.
[02:40] <Fudge> yeah should be pretty easy fix
[04:52] <Fudge> i didnt see the upgrade as i  didnt have proposed enabled
[04:52] <Fudge> now using isc-dhcp-server                   4.3.3-5ubuntu8
[04:53] <Fudge> so it seems that if i have a static client that those are not getting assigned ip addresses, how can i debug dhcp-server
[04:58] <Fudge> any ideas?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> !info isc-dhcp-server xenial
[05:34] <Fudge> isc-dhcp-server                   4.3.3-5ubuntu8
[05:34] <Fudge> from proposed
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> but proposed can break right
[05:36] <Fudge> i upgraded because it was supposed to be fixed lol
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: did you clean install xenial?
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> or wily do-release-upgrade -d
[05:37] <Fudge> lets downgrade and see what happens
[05:37] <Fudge> yep fresh install
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> kk nice
[05:37] <Fudge> but i did use my bind dhcp folders
[05:37] <Fudge> from trusty
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah try out without the proposed one, maybe thats more stable
[05:37] <Fudge> just downgraded
[05:47] <Fudge> back here again, Can't create new lease file: Permission denied
[05:47] <Fudge> i am using service isc-dhcp-server start, is that righ tor should i be using systemctl
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 uses systemd
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[05:51] <Fudge> and a combination of my firewall
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:52] <Fudge> i have this ongoing problem of some other rules being loaded
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: maybe the #netfilter guys can help on that1?
[05:53] <Fudge> thanks mate, im on #networking, they are good guys but ill try there too
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah networking is pro
[06:02] <ChibaPet> note that service still works
[06:02] <ChibaPet> But it's probably better to succumb. :P
[06:06] <Fudge> lotuspsychje:  yeah a guy there is really helpful
[06:12] <Fudge> ChibaPet:  lol
[09:24] <alteregoa> update-manager -d doesn't find 16.04 in repo
[10:37] <ngaio> is it by design that applications stored in /usr/local don't show up in the menu until the next restart? I don't see that same behavior in 15.10
[10:39] <ngaio> that is, install an application that puts its resources /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/share, and it doesn't show up in the launcher (I've tested Unity and Mate) until after reboot
[11:18] <Fudge> is anyone experiencing any isc-dhcp-client issues, where leases arent being renewed
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: cant you file a bug against this one?
[11:20] <Fudge> lotuspsychje:  i dont really have any concrete evidence
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: ubuntu-bug isc-dhcp-client
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> and explain what your situation is...the devs might find out whats the issue
[11:22] <Fudge> true, thanks
[11:26] <Fudge> bug  #1550289
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: good, lets see where that brings us :p
[11:28] <Fudge> plus downgrading again too, i forgit it updated to the proposed version
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> !info isc-dhcp-client xenial
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: ouch, you placed the bug with the proposed package version
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: make sure its the default one from xenial
[11:30] <Fudge> thats the version i was using though
[11:31] <Fudge> i cant file bugs against proposed versions
[11:32] <Fudge> didnt realise, sh ould i remove my bug and re-file?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> default version is  4.3.3-5ubuntu7 right
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> and proposed one 8
[11:32] <Fudge> yes
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: well, how about you update the existing bug to avoid too many bugs
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: and add version  4.3.3-5ubuntu7 saying, you have this issue on both versions right?
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: update it at bottom with 'add comment'
[11:34] <Fudge> yep, ill see if i get the same behaviour with this version
[11:34] <Fudge> shoujld ahve read the changelog
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: you could also try a systemctl restart
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> see what it does
[11:35] <Fudge> okie
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> Fudge: try a few things out, and keep the comments updated, so the devs see what you have tried
[11:36] <Fudge> yup
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> great
[11:36] <Fudge> thanks cobber
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> no sweat, we might have a nice clean xenial in april this way :p
[11:44] <Fudge> updated my bug, still does it on this version
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:47] <Fudge> yeah im looking forward to xenial
[13:19] <faekjarz> Hey there, seemingly i've missed a memo or something. By now i tested 2 daily-live ISOs - Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 x64 (20160225.1) and plain Ubuntu 16.04 x64 (20160226) - and none of them let me install onto a ZFS-root (/). What's the deal? Is this ZedFS inclusion limited to virtualisation, containers and stuff? Or is it not yet implemented in the installer?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:23] <marlinc> faekjarz, its not included in the installer
[13:24] <marlinc> ZFS works perfectly on 16.04 its just that you manually have to set up boot of ZFS if that's what you want
[13:32] <Daekdroom> And there's no reason for it to be in the desktop versions installer, really. It's a server feature.
[13:35] <faekjarz> marlinc: yes that's what i intended :) Well, kind of. I've heard there's a non-DKMS solution - is there a guide how to properly set up ZFS boot
[13:35] <marlinc> Yes, there are. Wait a moment
[13:36] <marlinc> You will probably have to follow:
[13:36] <marlinc> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem
[13:36] <marlinc> Not sure how up-to-date it is though
[13:39] <marlinc> My process in general is the following: 1. start using live usb, 2. install zfsutils-linux, 3. create pool, 4. create zvol with about 8 gb of storage, 5. start the Ubuntu installer like normal, install to the zvol (including the bootloader) the bootloader install will fail which is fine, 6. copy contents of zvol filesystem to a zfs dataset, 7. chroot into the dataset, 8. install zfsutils-linux in the chroot, 9. install GRUB
[13:39] <marlinc> And then reboot :p
[13:39] <marlinc> faekjarz, ^
[13:39] <faekjarz> Daekdroom: meh, it's origin (Solaris) is indeed the server realm. My POV is not the separation of servers and desktops (clients / workstations) - i mean it's a file system. One with awesome features (integrity, snapshots, replication, and stuff) <- totally usefull on every machine, including desktops
[13:40] <marlinc> That's my thought on the matter as well faekjarz
[13:40] <faekjarz> yay :D
[13:43] <faekjarz> marlinc: thanks for the link! Let's try \m/
[14:51] <asper> hi there. i configured and enabled systemd-networkd and added a bridge on eth0. the thing is: eth0 still gets an ip and my routing is fucked up. i disabled networking.service but i see that dhclient still runs at boot. any hints on how to disable it? dhcp should be handled by systemd-networkd, right?
[15:28] <asper> ok. after removing the entries from /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 the problems go away. rather unconvenient setup.
[19:47] <Fudge> BluesKaj:  g'day and good morning from Tasmania
[20:00] <BluesKaj> Hey Fudge, good afternoon from Ontario, Canada
[20:02] <Fudge> hey cobber, are you freezing there yet?
[20:03] <Fudge> still having a hard time with my xenial server and dhcp
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yeah still coolish here, -3C atm , but sunny
[20:04] <Fudge> wow thats pretty chilly mate, even overnight for us at the moment we are at about 12
[20:05] <squinty_> here on Vancouver Island BC we hit 16 yesterday...not quite as warm today
[20:06] <Fudge> beautiful
[20:06] <BluesKaj> well, you guys are in different climate zone altogether, but your server is not connecting with network manager or..?
[20:09] <Fudge> not sure that I am using netwoork manager, its xenial-server. fresh install from a few days ago. i had same setup on trusty and it was rock solid but now on xenial i get disconnected all the time, this is a gateway so the machine is  disconnected from the net and i  have to take the interface down and back up
[20:10] <Fudge> possibly when i get a new lease it doesnt update, not sure how to add some debugging to logs for it either
[20:11] <Fudge> maybe this could be the problem
[20:11] <Fudge> -rw-r--r-- 1 dhcpd dhcpd   996 Feb 27 06:52 dhclient.enp6s7.leases
[20:11] <Fudge> -rw-r--r-- 1 root  root    498 Feb 26 20:20 dhclient.leases
[20:12] <Fudge> you can see that isc-dhcp-client and server are having problems with permissions, maybe if I chown the second file to dhcpd:dhcpd my problems will go away
[20:13] <BluesKaj> my problem is that servers aren't my stong suit
[20:16] <Fudge> cmon mate dont be like that :p
[20:18] <BluesKaj> but I used to setup a static IP in /etc/resolv.conf , but it is now overwritten by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and apprently that's where one sets the IPs for   gateway and namservers when not using network manager
[20:21] <yeats> BluesKaj: you can specify "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces and resolvconf will populate the file with your selections
[20:21] <yeats> (for static IPs)
[20:21] <BluesKaj> yeats, I didn't think that still worked
[20:22] <yeats> oh - sorry - I thought I was in ubuntu-server - not sure about xenial :-/
[20:22] <yeats> I'm testing it out, but haven't dug deeply yet
[20:23] <BluesKaj> it's been a while since I used static IP so i'm on shakey ground here
[20:25] <yeats> /etc/network/interfaces appears to still be the correct file on xenial
[20:25] <BluesKaj> I have to use NM due my VPN usage and setting up vpn connections in the ing=terfaces anbd resolv.conf files is somewhat compl;icated, NM does a good job with open vpn so that's much easier
[20:25] <yeats> yeah, I use NM on desktop for sure
[20:25] <BluesKaj> interfaces and resolv.cong files, that is
[20:25] <yeats> and I use OpenVPN too
[20:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's a great app
[20:26] <Fudge> i just use openvpn, i do specify nameservers in interfaces and changing ownership to dhcpd didnt work as i still just got disconnected again
[20:27] <yeats> Fudge: journalctl should show you *something* useful
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Fudge, sudo systemctl restart network-manager on your server , check for output errors
[20:32] <Fudge> Failed to restart network-manager.service: Unit network-manager.service not found.
[20:34] <BluesKaj> so I assume your server is using the interfaces file for it's settings ?
[20:35] <BluesKaj>  /etc/nework/interfaces
[20:36] <BluesKaj>  /etc/network/interfaces
[20:37] <ChibaPet> Purging network-manager and (as it turns out) nano are an early-setup ritual for me.
[20:37] <BluesKaj> Fudge, perhaps post your  /etc/network/interfaces file in pastebin or some such
[20:42] <BluesKaj> ChibaPet, some of us need network-manager, and unlike pulseaudio, it's much better than it used to be
[20:42] <BluesKaj> :-)
[20:44] <ChibaPet> "need"
[20:44] <ChibaPet> I'm pretty happy with wpa_supplicant.conf on my laptop.
[20:44] <BluesKaj> just thiought I'd throw that non-sequitur in there for good measure
[20:45] <ChibaPet> I haven't been purging PulseAudio, but I do say "autospawn=no" in .pulse/client.conf
[20:46] <ChibaPet> (To finish my thought about NM, worst case if I don't know an access point name involves running iwlist.)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> if your audio chip is intel-hda , then that driver is writtrn thorughly enough to handle alsa directly with flash audio on websites. Other sound chip driver are written to use pulse
[20:48]  * BluesKaj looks for s key again
[20:49] <ChibaPet> It's OPIE nowadays.
[20:50] <ChibaPet> Hm. So, I have a few games, media players, and similar that use sound. Firefox. I haven't had any issues ignoring Pulse yet. Prior to ignoring it my sound controls were completely hosed.
[20:50] <ChibaPet> I think I'd only consider PulseAudio if I had to use Skype.
[20:50] <ChibaPet> But even then I guess there's libapuse.
[20:50] <BluesKaj> Fudge, what does  'ip addr' show for your server ?
[20:50] <ChibaPet> libapulse*
[20:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, no response, guess he's busy doing other things
[20:58] <BluesKaj> well. time close up shop here and go help with dinner ...too bad i couldn't help more....later
[20:59] <ChibaPet> Anything good for dinner?
[21:00] <ChibaPet> Ah, too late.
[21:50] <Fudge> oh damn
[21:51] <Fudge> anyone else who wants to assist with the ip route this is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/15210070/
[21:52] <Fudge> the interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/15210087/
[21:56] <SwedeMike> Fudge: what do you want to achieve that you're not getting?
[21:57] <Fudge> for dhcp-client to keep me connected to the net
[21:57] <Fudge> ive poked the dev
[21:58] <SwedeMike> it's impossible from your provided input to understand what your problem is.
[22:01] <Fudge> on my gateway my lease form isp goes for about 12 minutes, when it should be renewed i am disconnected
[22:04] <Fudge> so this is what seems to happen Feb 27 08:36:06 dominion dhclient[22871]: DHCPRELEASE on enp6s7 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 (xid=0x4231da06)
[22:04] <Fudge> in the logs if i try to ping <IP_ADDRESS> when i am disconnected the logs show unexpected ICMP Echo Reply from <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:07] <Fudge> dominion dhclient[22434]: DHCPRELEASE on enp6s7 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 (xid=0x4a1d2155)
[22:08] <jushur> Fudge: why do you have 12mins lease?
[22:08] <Fudge> i dont know, thats controlled by my ISP
[22:08] <Fudge> i still get offered the same dynamic ip again
[22:09] <jushur> Fudge: yes, but its literaly retarded?
[22:09] <Fudge> indeed it is mate
[22:11] <Fudge> so from the logs i see the dhcprelease, then dhclient starts again   by me and i get an ip offered and assigned again
[22:12] <Fudge> but this should happen seemlessly, not disconnect me from the internet
[22:12] <jushur> Fudge: wrong, a release means it actually releases the ip, and then has to ask you isp for a new.
[22:14] <jushur> Fudge: the only reason you get the same ip is the mac is saved as resently used at the isp dhcpd. and it will give you the ame ip as you had (if they want it to, and it seems so).
[22:19] <jushur> Fudge: in dhclient.conf set "send dhcp-lease-time 3600;"
[22:20] <jushur> Fudge: i do asume you need this as you dont use network-manager
[22:20] <jushur> Fudge: man dhclient.conf if you need to know more about possible settings.
[22:26] <Fudge> thanks jushur  ill uncomment that
[22:26] <Fudge> its ubuntu-server and no not using network manager
[22:39] <Fudge> still getting disconnected though dhclient enp6s7
[22:39] <Fudge> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[22:39] <Fudge> then i get reconnected
[22:57] <jushur> Fudge: look so your /etc/network/interfaces is correct
[23:05] <Fudge> jushur:  happy to pastebin
[23:06] <Fudge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15210590/
[23:11] <Fudge> i do seem to have a log t of processes for dhclient, ill paste them too
[23:11] <Fudge>
[23:11] <Fudge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15210610/
[23:23] <Fudge> apparmor? Feb 27 10:22:18 dominion kernel: [65268.916915] audit: type=1400 audit(1456528938.875:73): apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" profile="/usr/sbin/dhcpd" pid=26388 comm="dhcpd" capability=1  capname="dac_override"


[07:05] <tsdgeos> morning
[08:39] <tsdgeos> larsu: ping
[08:57] <mzanetti> greyback: ping
[08:57] <mzanetti> greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity-api/splash/+merge/233288/comments/575802
[08:57] <mzanetti> shall we wait for daniel or throw the splash stuff out of the silo and try to get orientationlock landed alone?
[08:59] <greyback> mzanetti: I say wait.
[09:00] <mzanetti> ok
[09:10] <larsu> tsdgeos: hey
[09:10] <tsdgeos> larsu: commented on the bug, emblems was the wrong thing that is missing, is attributes icons
[09:11] <larsu> tsdgeos: okay thanks. I'll have a look
[10:17] <mzanetti> dandrader: good morning
[10:17] <mzanetti> dandrader: can you update this one please? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity-api/splash/+merge/233288/comments/575802
[10:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, what should I exactly do?
[10:18] <mzanetti> dandrader: bump the changelog in unity-api
[10:19] <mzanetti> dandrader: and then update the version in unity8's debian/control to match that version
[10:19] <mzanetti> dandrader: example: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity-api/dashActive/+merge/235273
[10:19] <mzanetti> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/async-dashcommunicator/+merge/235272
[10:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/fix-some-lifecycle-bugs/+merge/234087
[10:20] <mzanetti> so I guess you need to change the depends in the related qtmir branch too
[10:29] <dandrader> mzanetti, all done
[10:30] <mzanetti> dandrader: thanks
[11:09] <greyback_> dandrader: heya, about the qWarning/qCWarning
[11:10] <greyback_> there are some messages that I think should not be categorized, in case there's a filter in place that surpresses all categorized messages
[11:10] <dandrader> greyback_, I commented on the mp
[11:11] <dandrader> greyback_, you can suppress only the debug messages for instance. like "qtmir.*.debug=false"
[11:11] <greyback_> dandrader: sure, but what if we ship qtmir.*=false - which I think is reasonable to do
[11:11] <greyback_> since nearly all of our debug/warning output is informational at best
[11:12] <dandrader> greyback_, say I want to silence all qtmir messages, *including warnings*, because it's bitching about something I don't care right now as I'm working on some unity8 thingy. I wanna be able to do it
[11:13] <dandrader> greyback_, we are only losing flexibility by using qWarning instead of qCWarning
[11:13] <greyback_> dandrader: sadly I don't care about you that much :D I'm more concerned with a user's desktop, they tap an icon and nothing happens because the desktop file is missing - I want to be sure that message is printed somehow
[11:13] <dandrader> greyback_, we can do less with it
[11:14] <dandrader> greyback_, then don't silence qtmir warnings on the final configuration. or make it a critical message
[11:14] <dandrader> and don't silence critical messages :)
[11:15] <dandrader> greyback_, what if we have -DQT_NO_DEBUG and I want the user to know that a desktop file is missing?
[11:15] <greyback_> dandrader: I don't like it, it relies on the right configuration being set, which I think is too easy to get wrong. I think some messages should not be filterable
[11:15] <dandrader> greyback_, should we use std::cout for it then?
[11:15] <greyback_> dandrader: but we don't set that.
[11:15] <greyback_> we have control over the compile flags for our app
[11:16] <greyback_> we don't have control over the warning/debug config
[11:18] <greyback_> dandrader: shall we ask a third party? To give a deciding vote?
[11:19] <dandrader> greyback_, yeah. I don't think your reasoning for using qWarning instead of qCWarning makes sense
[11:20] <greyback_> dandrader: who would you like to nominate?
[11:20] <dandrader> mzanetti
[11:21] <greyback_> mzanetti: you have been chosen to enact a peace treaty between myself and dandrader!
[11:21] <greyback_> when you've 2 mins, let us know
[11:22] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:22] <greyback_> o/
[11:22] <mzanetti> :D
[11:22] <mzanetti> greyback_: shoot :D
[11:23] <greyback_> mzanetti: topic is qWarning versus qCWarning - and the Debug equivalents
[11:23] <greyback_> I tend to use qWarning for messages that I think are of interest to a final user - i.e. they are messages which cannot be filtered
[11:24] <greyback_> dandrader: want to state your case?
[11:25] <dandrader> A warning is a warning. The qC version of log messages (debug, warning and critical) give more flexibility as you can filter them by level and category
[11:26] <dandrader> whereas with the original versions you can either install a message handler (thus filtering only by level) or disable all of them (by adding -DQT_NO_DEBUG)
[11:27] <dandrader> if someone wants to override any log filtering then it should not use the logging system in the first place.
[11:27] <mzanetti> so Imo we want to see real warnings in the logs without messing around with filters...
[11:27] <mzanetti> so I guess if we have a default filter that allows some certain category
[11:27] <mzanetti> then I would probably align it for qCDebug
[11:28] <mzanetti> but really depends on the default installed filter I guess
[11:28] <mzanetti> there probably is value to still suppress those warnings if you want to debug something else...
[11:29] <dandrader> greyback_ wants to give a message to the *final user*. Is loggging the right medium for it?
[11:29] <greyback_> all I want is to be able to print stuff, and be reasonably certain it is actually printed (-DQT_NO_DEBUG and custom message handlers aside)
[11:29] <mzanetti> dandrader: I guess "final user" is QA in this case
[11:29] <mzanetti> if you ask QA to send you a log, what do you want to have in there without asking them fiddle with filters
[11:30]  * mzanetti still didn't fully understand the QMessageLogger filtering
[11:30] <mzanetti> looked a bit weird the one time I tried tbh
[11:31] <greyback_> I had planned to ship qtmir filtering everything, since nearly all the messages are informational. And just use unfiltered messages for things user would care about
[11:31] <mzanetti> sounds reasonable
[11:32] <mzanetti> well, either that, or defining a category that is (and stays) enabled
[11:32] <greyback_> if you create a category that is always enabled, then why bother making it a category at all?
[11:32] <dandrader> I tried to shutdown all the qtmir babbling and filtered out all of it. but the babbling continued, although on a lower volume, because random parts of its logging use the old qMessage instead of qCMessage. so the only way to shut it off was to -DQT_NO_DEBUG it, but that meant recompiling it all
[11:33] <greyback_> dandrader: random parts? Have you pastein, I'd like to see what comes out.
[11:33] <dandrader> but them I lost my own logging which I was interested into. So I had to resort to use plain printf () or std::cout ofr it
[11:33] <dandrader> for it
[11:34] <dandrader> greyback_, just grep for qDebug, qWarning etc in qtmir
[11:34] <mzanetti> well, we all agree that plain qDebug() should eventually be migrated to qCDebug
[11:35] <mzanetti> its really just about error cases in which you are interested always (99% of the cases)
[11:35] <greyback_> dandrader: well sure. But I was more interested in the realistic output
[11:35] <dandrader> greyback_, I even had a branch to change it all to qCStuff, but for some weird reason it made application_manager test crash on destruction :-/ so will have to get back to it latedr
[11:35] <greyback_> eww
[11:35] <greyback_> that's unexpected
[11:35] <greyback_> anyhoo
[11:36]  * greyback_ rests his case and awaits the right honourable judge mzanetti's verdict
[11:37] <mzanetti> if I have to judge something I guess I'm with Daniel :D better flexibility in the long run. a little more effort to make it clean now though
[11:37] <mzanetti> http://tinyurl.com/ldtjvmj
[11:37] <dandrader> aside from losing flexibility when using qWarning instead of qCWarning, we also end up with a heterogeneous logging
[11:38] <dandrader> oh, there should be a utf8 char with a judge's hammer
[11:38] <mzanetti> haha
[11:38] <mzanetti> true
[11:39]  * greyback_ files an appeal
[11:39] <mzanetti> popey: is there ^
[11:39] <mzanetti> ?
[11:39] <greyback_> j/k
[11:39] <mzanetti> I'm sure popey will figure something :D
[11:39] <greyback_> just wish I shouted OBJECTION at some stage
[11:39] <greyback_> always wanted to do that
[11:40] <dandrader> if someone decides to filter out all warnings it's because he does not to see any warning messages
[11:40] <mzanetti> :D
[11:40] <popey> hmm
[11:40] <dandrader> if you want to still print out your message even if the user disabled warnings, then your message should not be a warning
[11:41] <popey> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[11:41] <popey> we should print that
[11:41] <tsdgeos> Mirv: how is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1371472 going?
[11:41] <mzanetti> :D
[11:43] <greyback_> dandrader: ok pushed
[11:43] <mzanetti> greyback_: now one for you: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/dont-filter-newline/revision/219 vs http://paste.ubuntu.com/8402690/
[11:44] <mzanetti> greyback_: first one fails with new tags (e.g. "div"). latter one fails with broken xml
[11:46] <greyback_> mzanetti: regexp to parse html is bad practice. Using the XML parser is better IMO
[11:46] <mzanetti> +1
[11:46] <mzanetti> however, it fails with this for example: "<b>So broken</i>"
[11:46] <mzanetti> greyback_: while the regexp actually does it right
[11:47] <greyback_> mzanetti: is broken input likely?
[11:47] <mzanetti> hmm... notifications
[11:47] <greyback_> if it's broken going in, why should we try fix it?
[11:47] <greyback_> crap goes in, crap comes out
[11:47] <mzanetti> I tend to agree...
[11:47] <dandrader> greyback_, thanks. your thoughts on these: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/desktopFileReader/+merge/235223/comments/575368 https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/desktopFileReader/+merge/235223/comments/575362
[11:48] <greyback_> dandrader: second one I've addressed - I just removed the comments
[11:48] <greyback_> dandrader: first one is doing what it's supposed to do IMO - but message is categorized now
[11:49]  * greyback_ doesn't mind noisy tests
[11:50] <dandrader> greyback_, ok, will make a separate MP on that subject later. this review was contentious enough already
[11:50] <greyback_> dandrader: :D
[11:50] <greyback_> always good to have a third party to settle the wa
[11:50] <greyback_> +r
[11:52] <Mirv> tsdgeos: gonna add a landing for it now. should it go to rtm first?
[11:55] <Mirv> well there's zero silos available for either utopic or rtm
[11:58] <Mirv> I think utopic is frozen at the moment, so rtm first might be the way to go
[12:53] <kodiak11> OK giving Unity a shot (Ubuntu user since 4.10, XFCE user since sundown of Gnome 2.32...) -  Are silly gadgets like CPU utilization and thermal monitors coming to Unity at any point?
[13:11] <MacSlow> tedg, hey there...
[13:14] <tedg> MacSlow, Howdy!
[13:15] <MacSlow> tedg, I was wondering if you meant gnome-settings-daemon in you comment here... https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/indicator-sound/synchronous-notification/+merge/229061/comments/575109
[13:16] <tedg> MacSlow, I think I meant unity-settings-deamon? I mean th g-s-d fork that we did.
[13:17] <tedg> seb128, Could probably help with the name ^
[13:17] <tedg> It's u-s-d, not sure what the U is :-)
[13:17] <seb128> tedg, name is correct
[13:17] <seb128> tedg, https://code.launchpad.net/unity-settings-daemon
[13:17] <tedg> MacSlow, seb128 is your hero! ^
[13:17] <tedg> :-)
[13:17] <MacSlow> tedg, just trying to figure out where to look for the notification-relevant code... and compare to see if there are potential issues or not for your described scenario
[13:18] <MacSlow> seb128, thx... now that you said it, it seems obvious :)
[13:19] <MacSlow> tedg, anyway I will look into it and provide my findings as feedback on the MP
[13:25] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, here's something for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/update-reset-launcher/+merge/234309
[13:26] <seb128> mzanetti, they, thanks, adding to my review list
[13:26] <mzanetti> seb128: one note: the required change in unity-schemas did not make it to rtm yet
[13:26] <mzanetti> seb128: its released to proposed though
[13:26] <seb128> k
[13:29] <seb128> mzanetti, we don't publish the launcher config anymore for the greeter/lock screen benefits?
[13:29] <mzanetti> seb128: not atm, as we don't have split greeter anyways currently
[13:29] <mzanetti> seb128: that will come back, but the main config will stay dconf
[13:29] <seb128> mzanetti, "currently"
[13:29] <mzanetti> seb128: accountservice will be a read-only copy of the current state inside the user account
[13:30] <seb128> right, which means we should still write there no?
[13:30] <mzanetti> if you reset dconf, the user's launcher plugin will notice and sync over to AS
[13:30] <mzanetti> that's the plan at least
[13:31] <seb128> k
[13:35] <MacSlow> tedg, see https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/indicator-sound/synchronous-notification/+merge/229061 and hopefully approve that MP if you're happy with it. Thanks in advance!
[13:37] <tedg> MacSlow, Okay, so notify-osd can handle the fact that they're two synchronous ones?
[13:37] <tedg> there are
[13:38] <MacSlow> tedg, yes... to notify-osd it just two sync. notifications coming in... and first come first served
[13:38] <tedg> MacSlow, K, cool.
[13:42] <MacSlow> tedg, btw... volume-notification from those branches at work here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEYLXNaL0Q
[14:04] <dandrader> kodiak11, there's indicator-multiload
[14:06] <kodiak11> dandrader:  ah - cool - I see I need to add repos - I poked around but was a bit lost
[14:09] <MacSlow> mterry, could you take a look at (review)  https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/synchronous-notification/+merge/234476 when you have a free slot?
[14:10] <mterry> MacSlow, what is the value hint about?
[14:11] <MacSlow> mterry, it's a way to pass a 0-100 number to a notification in order to make it display a indicator-bar (think: volume, brightness etc)
[14:11] <mterry> MacSlow, I'll look at it today, sure
[14:12] <mterry> MacSlow, it doesn't need a x-canonical prefix?
[14:12] <MacSlow> mterry, great thanks... it's one of three related branches... but I don't want to dump all three on one person... they can be dealt with on an individual basis
[14:13] <MacSlow> mterry, that has legacy-reasons
[14:14] <MacSlow> mterry, if the hint-name would be changed it would break existing apps using synchronous notifications with attached values.
[14:15] <mterry> MacSlow, ah ok, this is an old hint
[14:15] <MacSlow> mterry, correct
[14:18] <MacSlow> mterry, fyi... this is what it looks like when all three related branches are at work... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi-Z2Rn7Fxo
[14:19] <mterry> MacSlow, nice
[14:20] <kodiak11> dandrader:  I found this and thought it was useful - thanks for the lead!  http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[14:21] <dandrader> kodiak11, yw
[14:24] <mhall119> saviq and thostr still on holiday?
[14:30] <dandrader> greyback_, a tiny one: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/optionalTestsBuild/+merge/235467
[14:31] <greyback_> mhall119: saviq is anyway
[14:43] <cwayne> Cimi: any chance of that card-visual-tweaks branch landing this week?
[14:44] <dandrader> greyback_, thanks for the quick review!
[14:44] <greyback_> dandrader: does the job :)
[14:46] <greyback_> mzanetti: when you get time, I left comment here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/async-dashcommunicator/+merge/235272
[14:46] <mzanetti> greyback_: I have to keep the dep to AppManager
[14:46] <mzanetti> hmm... maybe not
[14:46] <greyback_> mzanetti: why>
[14:47] <mzanetti> but seems fragile
[14:47] <mzanetti> greyback_: because if I connect to the interface when the app is suspended, it'll hang unity
[14:47] <mzanetti> greyback_: so I use AppMan to make sure it is in state running
[14:47] <greyback_> mzanetti: it should not hang with an async dbus call
[14:47] <mzanetti> greyback_: no, but the connect
[14:48] <greyback_> hmm
[14:48] <greyback_> lemme try something
[14:48] <mzanetti> ack
[14:50] <tsdgeos> mhall119: anything we can help you with while Saviq is enjoying his holidays?
[15:36] <tsdgeos> mterry: what can we do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1372515 ?
[15:37] <mterry> tsdgeos, hrm
[15:37] <mterry> tsdgeos, make it smaller seems least intrusive -- I don't want to drop the whole pad down to fit a second line
[15:37] <mterry> tsdgeos, or have translators test their translations and get creative to let them fit...  but we can at least try a technical solution first
[15:39] <tsdgeos> mterry: you're not going to get translators to test the translations
[15:39] <mterry> tsdgeos, :)
[15:39] <tsdgeos> you have to be god to be were a string is
[15:39] <mterry> tsdgeos, I know, they just do it in LP
[15:39] <tsdgeos> and even if they wanted
[15:39] <mterry> tsdgeos, true
[15:39] <tsdgeos> unless you know how to code and check the code and try to infer where the string is ending
[15:39] <tsdgeos> sometimes is a huge amount of work
[15:39] <tsdgeos> not in this case, but
[15:40] <tsdgeos> mterry: i think having that "shrink my size label" in the SDK would be a great idea actually
[15:40] <tsdgeos> for cases where not much can be done
[15:40] <tsdgeos> and you don't really mind if it's 17px or 15px font size
[15:41] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah... I'm not sure what font metrics info we have available to us to do that in qml, but I'm sure it's possible
[15:41] <tsdgeos> mterry: we have the implicitWidth
[15:41] <tsdgeos> oyu can try playing with it
[15:42] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah but I don't want to have to set the size, test width, change size, etc.  We'd want to assign size once based on the metrics of the string and width available, right?
[15:42] <tsdgeos> mterry: yeap, i am not sure there's something like that available
[15:43] <mterry> :-/
[15:43] <tsdgeos> tbh i have some code that does that in kde
[15:43] <mterry> tsdgeos, maybe we can change size fast enough that it doesn't matter -- or just keep the label invisible until we settle
[15:43] <tsdgeos> and it actually ends up setting sizes and chaging
[15:43] <tsdgeos> since fonts are not linear
[15:43] <tsdgeos> in point size vs size
[15:43] <tsdgeos> it seems to be the only way to do it
[15:46] <tsdgeos> man qmluitests have gone all crazy :S
[16:15]  * greyback_ annoyed unity8-autopilot brings in lots of qt4
[18:00]  * greyback_ eod
[18:04] <kodiak11> Is there a quick guide on customizing / making the most use of Unity for new users to Unity but obviously not to Linux
[18:04] <kodiak11> Coming from the XFCE world and attempting to give Unity a fair shake
[18:14] <dandrader> kodiak11, #ubuntu-desktop is the appropriate channel for that. Here we essentially talk about Unity for phone an tablet
[18:15] <dandrader> until that new codebase also comes to encompass the desktop as well
[18:15] <kodiak11> oh snap
[18:16] <kodiak11> when are you giving me a dang phone???  (US Verizon customer_)
[18:36] <racarr> Hi guys my new hobby is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1328839
[18:36] <racarr> so first I am trying to figure out, how a Qt app is supposed to escape this fullscreen state...and it seems like
[18:36] <racarr> platform api is missing a counterpart to
[18:36] <racarr> ua_ui_window_request_fullscreen
[18:36] <racarr> e.g. there is no ua_ui_window_leave_fullscreen or ua_ui_window_show_normal or whatever
[18:37] <racarr> does anyone know otherwise, or know how an app is supposed to leave
[18:37] <racarr> fullscreen
[19:48] <yecril71pl> Hello, can I have a non-breaking space under [Shift [Space]]?
[19:51] <yecril71pl1> Can I have a non-breaking space under [Shift [Space]]?


[00:02] <santa_> RikMills: ack, thanks a lot
[10:22] <RikMills> santa_: 5.21 day :)
[10:23] <RikMills> as well as uploading, I think I will try a ppa build somewhere against the release pocket, so regular testers here can try without proposed
[10:23] <RikMills> as glibc.....
[11:33] <RikMills> and buildd/buildd perms issue is back, badly
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahEWG4JCA1w
[13:06] <santa_> good morning/afternoon everyone
[13:06] <santa_> RikMills: I'm not seeing the perms/owner problem here in a test rebuild running at the moment, what makes you think it's back
[13:07] <RikMills> read #ubuntu-release
[13:07] <santa_> aparently the workaround (building binutils against non -proposed gblic worked here)
[13:07] <santa_> ok, reading...
[13:10] <RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-February/041385.html
[13:11] <santa_> ahh, cool to know
[13:12] <santa_> in any case my test rebuild running atm seems to be working fine so far
[17:26] <RikMills> the archive is shut, and even if I could upload Plasma 5.21.0 it would get stcuk in proposed
[17:26] <RikMills> However.....
[17:27] <RikMills> if any of the testers in here want to try it in hirsute, there is a testable build in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental that does not need -proposed to install
[19:20] <mparillo> Since it says Breeze Twilight theme, I suppose we need to change from Breeze. Will Kubuntu use those (very nice IMHO) fonts?
[19:35] <RikMills> what fonts?
[19:50] <mparillo> The ones in the video.
[19:51] <RikMills> mparillo: in the captions or the ones in the plasma UI mockups
[19:51] <RikMills> ?
[19:51] <mparillo> In the Plasma UI mockups,
[19:52] <RikMills> surely that is just Noto in a high quality render
[19:54] <mparillo> OK, thanks. On closer examination, the captions are definitely a different font.
[19:55] <RikMills> they are owner/group for shared libraries " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchp
[19:55] <RikMills> damn paste
[19:55] <RikMills> captions are comfortaa
[19:59] <mparillo> TY
[20:00] <RikMills> thank the person who asked that on reddit :P


[14:04] <mihir> Wish you everyone Merry Christmas :)
[14:04] <mihir> it seems everyone is enjoying vacation T^T
[14:21] <justCarakas> same to you mihir
[14:23] <mihir> justCarakas: it seems Irc is dead in Xmas
[14:24] <justCarakas> indeed mihir :) they drank too much eggnog i think
[14:24] <mihir> justCarakas: Hahaha true
[14:33] <justCarakas> I have a crazy day at work
[14:34] <justCarakas> mihir: kinda feeling like this http://www.gifbin.com/bin/112010/reverse-1291112618_basketball-juggling.gif working on multiple project at the same time
[17:52] <Guest89720> Hello Everyone - I am currently writing an Ubuntu QML App and am having difficulties getting my UI to look and behave the way I want it to. Unfortunately lots of the links and images on developer.ubuntu.com seem to be missing or are now returning 404 Errors


[10:19] <rmg51> Morning
[10:26] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:48] <ChinnoDog> hola
[13:55] <JonathanD> hi
[13:56] <InHisName> hello
[15:42] <teddy-dbear> I don't wear pants ;-)
[15:55] <teddy-dbear> wrong room :-/
[16:03] <ChinnoDog> ...
[21:36] <jthan> Hey everyone


[10:07] <Squirm> morning
[10:08] <Squirm> uh, afternoon
[10:10] <Vince-0> yar
[11:53] <kbmonkey> hello
[11:58] <Squirm> hi
[13:03] <Vince-0> haai
[13:06] <kbmonkey> how goes it all?
[13:17] <Vince-0> same shizl
[13:18] <kbmonkey> ma nizzle
[13:18] <kbmonkey> discovering how to adjust pygame surface hue's. fun stuff.
[13:24] <Vince-0> I stripped my asus transformer tab
[13:24] <Vince-0> darned volume buttons are cheap
[13:25] <charl_> good afternoon
[13:26] <Vince-0> haai
[13:26] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[13:27] <charl_> i think i am switching to mint cinnamon after all
[13:27] <charl_> i'll do it tomorrow or sometime this week
[13:27] <charl_> xfce is good but i like cinnamon's menu
[13:28] <Vince-0> yar
[13:28] <Vince-0> I'm a gnome shell user atm -
[13:29] <Vince-0> not to all: try not buy the first version of a gadget. It always sux and is succeeded quickly
[13:30] <charl_> yeah it's an early adopter problem
[13:31] <kbmonkey> cinnamon is the gnome 2 fork, right?
[13:35] <charl_> nope that's mate
[13:36] <charl_> cinnamon is a fairly new one
[13:36] <charl_> oh wait, it's also a gnome fork
[13:36] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(user_interface)
[13:36] <charl_> but there is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)
[13:41] <kbmonkey> ah :)
[13:41] <kbmonkey> I'm still using snapwm
[13:41] <kbmonkey> I also have catwm setup, but don't log into it much
[13:42] <kbmonkey> and spectrwm setup. too man -wm's here XD
[13:42] <charl_> don't know it but it's tiling right?
[13:42] <kbmonkey> yes it's tiling, but it also has floating like you know it.
[13:42] <kbmonkey> you can tell each desktop to use a different layout
[13:43] <charl_> ah
[13:43] <charl_> i really want to try one of those
[13:43] <kbmonkey> its nice to say run htop, vnstat, slurm and others and have them show in neat blocks automatically :]
[13:43] <charl_> i don't have big expectations of a desktop environment because at home i just use my laptop and i have a 14,5" screen
[13:44] <kbmonkey> oh definitely, I started on tiling because my netbook had such a small screen. 10"
[13:44] <kbmonkey> it maximizes space
[13:44] <charl_> i normally only have one thing open on my screen at a time, things that are important to me is to be able to switch between applications and launch applications
[13:44] <charl_> preferably by using the keyboard only, i hate using the mouse/touchpad
[13:45] <kbmonkey> we're kindred folk then charl_
[13:45] <kbmonkey> do you use vi sometimes to edit files charl_ ?
[13:45] <charl_> i use vim as my primary editor
[13:46] <charl_> at work i use a variety of tools though, also some ide applications
[13:46] <kbmonkey> well tiling switches windows with vi-like style. Super+j/k is the new alt-tab
[13:47] <charl_> i could get used to it, especially if it's small, fast and configurable
[13:48] <charl_> wow the snow came down quite hard the last day in my region
[13:49] <charl_> somewhat unusual
[13:49] <kbmonkey> I have not tried this yet, but you may like to browse http://i3wm.org/
[13:49] <charl_> especially for late-february
[13:49] <kbmonkey> snow? wow no chance of that here :)
[13:49] <charl_> oh yes! i was looking at i3 the other day
[13:49] <charl_> very nice
[13:49] <kbmonkey> if I set it up one day I'll note the steps
[13:49] <charl_> cool
[13:50] <charl_> ah i see there is an i3-wm package in ubuntu
[13:50] <kbmonkey> really? cool.
[13:51] <charl_> strange, i don't see a snapwm package though
[13:51] <charl_> i might try i3 first then
[13:51] <kbmonkey> you probably choose i3 in the login screen then, under 'sessions'
[13:51] <charl_> yes
[13:51] <charl_> something simple to get me started
[13:51] <kbmonkey> tip: write down the essential keyboard commands first. it helps :)
[13:52] <charl_> oh yes good idea actually
[13:52] <charl_> brb
[13:52] <kbmonkey> spectrwm won't be in the repos, its still in development
[16:43] <zeref> hmmmm
[16:48] <Tonberry> this is very strange, sometimes my nfs mounts only show an empty directory, other times they work fine
[16:48] <Tonberry> and then it is only some of them breaking
[16:49] <Tonberry> i can even unmount a working one and then remount it and sometimes get the empty directory
[16:49] <Trixar_za> Is it an encrypted partition?
[16:50] <Tonberry> no
[16:50] <Trixar_za> Then that's strange
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Is the partition alright? Does ntfsfix command give errors?
[16:52] <Tonberry> nfs not ntfs
[16:52] <zeref> ls
[16:52] <Trixar_za> Oo
[16:52] <Trixar_za> what is nfs? :P
[16:53] <Tonberry> network file system
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Ah, up to speed now
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Thanks Wikipedia :P
[16:54] <Trixar_za> Looks interesting
[16:58] <Kilos> evening all
[16:58] <Tonberry> hello
[17:37] <charl_> hi
[17:37] <charl_> hi Kilos, Tonberry, Trixar_za
[17:38] <Kilos> hi charl_ Trixar_za Tonberry
[17:38] <charl_> how's it going Kilos
[17:38] <charl_> i don't chat on here much any more during the week, am too busy
[17:38] <Kilos> at the moment ok ty after many installs
[17:38] <Kilos> starting to hate 12.04
[17:38] <charl_> what were you installing? ubuntu?
[17:39] <Kilos> on kde 12.04 now
[17:39] <charl_> ah nice
[17:39] <charl_> i like it
[17:39] <charl_> although the alpha of kubuntu 13.04 is looking super sexy
[17:39] <charl_> am looking forward to it
[17:39] <Kilos> my unity crashed and then couldnt see modem 2 installs then couldnt login past password 2 installs
[17:40] <charl_> bah
[17:40] <charl_> that's terrible
[17:40] <Kilos> need to install gdm on the unity that cant get past the password but was treying to stretch data to month end
[17:40] <Kilos> trying
[17:40] <charl_> sucks man
[17:41] <Kilos> anyway gave up now i got the 2+1 bundle to use inna month and 5 days
[17:41] <Kilos> sigh
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <charl_> i want to install mint cinnamon on my laptop this week
[17:41] <charl_> i am very impressed
[17:41] <charl_> i am running it inside a virtual machine at work
[17:42] <Kilos> im sure ive installed 12.02 more than any 3 other peeps combined
[17:42] <charl_> lol
[17:42] <charl_> that sounds like it
[17:42] <Kilos> well 6 installs just today
[17:42] <charl_> i reformat my laptop a lot as well but it's just because i like trying different things
[17:42] <charl_> i used to also battle with my huawei 3g modem and other stuff
[17:43] <charl_> right now i have a lenovo laptop and i don't need 3g anymore so everything just works
[17:43] <Kilos> im trying to fix scrap drives and somehow they help crash things
[17:43] <Kilos> yeah 3g can be a pain hey?
[17:43] <charl_> yes
[17:43] <charl_> the built-in drivers on ubuntu never worked for me
[17:43] <charl_> i was using some open source vodafone application to manage it for me
[17:44] <charl_> it worked quite well (most of the time) but with some versions of ubuntu it broke
[17:44] <Kilos> dont you know about sakis3g
[17:44] <charl_> sometimes i had to downgrade, other times there was a workaround
[17:44] <Kilos> tiny scrip thingie that works well
[17:44] <charl_> never tried it, not sure if it was around back then
[17:45] <charl_> the one i used was this: https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[17:45] <Kilos> only prob you gotta first do apt-get update and with no connection it cant get some package
[17:45] <charl_> yup i used to install it on my dsl at home first
[17:45] <Kilos> libusb-dev i think
[17:45] <charl_> yes that sounds familiar
[17:45] <Kilos> grrr
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <charl_> if you don't have lan cable or wifi it can get tricky to get stuff set up
[17:46] <Kilos> yeah tell me about it
[17:46] <charl_> i used to run debian on my old laptop but then i had to get some package installed for my wifi to work
[17:46] <charl_> i think it was a binary driver or something
[17:46] <charl_> i eventually figured out a way to download the packages first and put them on my installation flash drive
[17:47] <charl_> then i would install those packages with dpkg after a reformat
[17:47] <Kilos> the good thing about 12.04 is that it sees my old nokia first time
[17:47] <charl_> so that i could get back on wifi to be able to do anything else
[17:47] <Kilos> maybe my prob is because of foreign modem
[17:47] <charl_> if you know the exact list of dependencies you should be able to do something similar
[17:48] <Kilos> but then it shouldnt see it sometimes
[17:48] <charl_> foreign modem
[17:48] <charl_> ?
[17:48] <Kilos> i have my whole archives saved but you cant install anything till you done apt-get update
[17:48] <Kilos> saudi arabia
[17:49] <charl_> bah that sucks
[17:49] <charl_> you have an saudi modem? wow ok
[17:49] <charl_> *a saudi
[17:49] <Kilos> but the weird part is that both kde and unity see the modem at different times
[17:50] <charl_> that's possible, it's two different connection manager tools
[17:50] <Kilos> boet gave it to me and had to unlock from them to get local providers working
[17:50] <Kilos> n o man
[17:51] <Kilos> last time i got it working i had to install both kde and unity and reboot before even plugin it in
[17:51] <Kilos> this last kde i plugged in when strating the install but only connected after install
[17:52] <Kilos> other ways didnt work
[17:52] <Kilos> and unity had to actually be connected before reboot then unplugged then it saw it after reboot
[17:53] <Kilos> every install different
[17:53] <Kilos> sigh
[17:53] <charl_> afaik unity uses wicd https://launchpad.net/wicd
[17:53] <charl_> kde uses KNetworkManager
[17:54] <tumbleweed> I'd be amased if unity used wicd
[17:54] <tumbleweed> amazed even
[17:54] <tumbleweed> gnome desktop uses network-manager
[17:54] <charl_> maybe they are using something else? sorry can't verify not on it right now
[17:54] <tumbleweed> unity has always used network-manager, as far as I know
[17:55] <tumbleweed> wicd is kind of weird and crazy
[17:55] <charl_> ah found it, yes
[17:56] <charl_> you're right, thanks
[17:57] <charl_> i didn't have a great experience with the old gnome connection manager or whatever it was called but it could have been driver related
[17:58] <tumbleweed> presumably. pretty much everyone uses network-manager these days, so it's all the same under the hood
[17:58] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[17:58] <tumbleweed> hi
[17:59] <tumbleweed> and on that note, I'm going out for a bit :)
[17:59] <Kilos> nm used to work first time
[17:59] <Kilos> methinks its just a 12.04 thing
[17:59] <Kilos> 12.10 didnt have probs here
[17:59] <Kilos> yo smile4ever
[17:59] <smile4ever> hi :)
[17:59] <smile4ever> :D
[18:01] <charl_> now that i look at it properly, what i have here running inside mint xfce might also be network-manager in fact
[18:01] <charl_> hi smile4ever
[18:01] <smile4ever> hi )
[18:01] <smile4ever> :)
[18:01] <charl_> is it snowing that hard in belgium too?
[18:01] <charl_> we got a lot of snow the last day
[18:02] <charl_> didn't expect this so late in february
[18:02] <smile4ever> yes, charl_ :(
[18:02] <charl_> you don't like the snow?
[18:02] <smile4ever> Hehe, had to ride with the car :P
[18:02] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:02] <charl_> ah no that's not so nice
[18:03] <charl_> although, if you drive carefully and you have the right tires, it should be ok right?
[18:03] <charl_> (have never driven through the snow in a car myself, only with a bicycle)
[18:06] <smile4ever> yes, charl_
[18:06] <smile4ever> the roads were fine
[18:06] <smile4ever> salt works good ^^ :)
[18:06] <charl_> ah yes, that's not bad at all then
[18:08] <charl_> most of the bicycle roads here are also well salted, it's just when you go to the "buitenwijken" when it gets difficult
[18:08] <charl_> they don't salt at all in most of the smaller roads
[18:08] <charl_> it's very easy to slip when you're on a bike, but it's ok if you drive slowly and don't move out of first gear
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <charl_> i'm fortunate that i live on a major road so i have a clean salted experience all the way from where i live to where i work :)
[18:09] <smile4ever> suburbs is the translation :)
[18:10] <smile4ever> charl_: do you have experience? :p
[18:10] <charl_> ah, is that what you call it :)
[18:10] <smile4ever> yes :)
[18:10] <charl_> yeah some people i know live a little on the outskirts of the city so i'm careful
[18:10] <charl_> but i never really slipped badly so i'm fortunate
[18:10] <charl_> never fell in any case
[18:16] <smile4ever> charl_: great. cause I did
[18:17] <smile4ever> hehe. :P
[18:17] <charl_> :(
[18:17] <smile4ever> on the market square @ Sint-Niklaas
[18:17] <smile4ever> they've done a great job for making it ideal to break your legs over there.
[18:17] <charl_> ouch
[18:17] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:17] <charl_> ooooh
[18:17] <charl_> on the hard stone not good
[18:18] <smile4ever> it's 100% flat = slippery
[18:18] <charl_> yeah no that's no good
[18:18]  * Squirm yawns
[18:18] <smile4ever> no they are just stupid, the town council  :P
[18:18] <Squirm> hello
[18:18] <charl_> brb have to take the washing out of the machine and put it in dryer
[18:19] <charl_> hi Squirm
[18:19] <smile4ever> hello Squirm
[18:20] <smile4ever> "Dankie dat jy Firefox gekies het!  :p
[18:20] <smile4ever> ^^
[18:21] <charl_> what dialect is that?
[18:24] <smile4ever> charl_: lol, "Afrikaans"
[18:24] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:24] <charl_> oh yes of course, i thought it looked like some dialect of dutch
[18:24] <charl_> ok i'm off, have a good evening all!
[18:25] <smile4ever> :)
[18:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:11] <smile4ever> :)
[19:32] <smile4ever> bye :p
[20:09] <zeref> hmm
[20:11] <zeref> i'm trying set up connection sharing. debian->ubuntu. It connects then disconnects immediatly


[01:04] <Fudge> !help tvtuner
[01:04] <Zinn> !help tvtuner For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[01:07] <Fudge> some links didnt work on the help url
[01:07] <Fudge> lookign for a tv tuner card to watch tv on ubuntu that just works please
[01:07] <rhpot1991> Fudge: like?
[01:09] <Fudge> rhpot1991 i thought there would be a list of supported cards in some kind of hardware compatible list
[01:13] <rhpot1991> Fudge: its hard to keep track of such a topic
[01:13] <rhpot1991> you can see what the developers are running here: http://mythbuntu.org/developer-hardware
[01:13] <Fudge> oh the faq and the merchondise links
[01:13] <Fudge> sorry didnt get what u meant loL
[01:14] <rhpot1991> you can get a good idea by reading the mythtv wiki or mailing list as well
[01:21] <Fudge> thanks
[03:46] <egghead> running mythbuntu 9.10, i want to use lvm for backing up videos/recording, but have a few questions about it, anyone here using lvm?
[06:17] <tgm4883> Anyone around want to test an MCC plugin for enabling and configuring XBMC as a mythtv frontend?
[06:18] <tgm4883> It's currently sitting in the -testing PPA waiting to be built in about 3 hours
[06:18] <tgm4883> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/testing/+build/1528489
[06:18] <Zinn> [edge.launchpad.net] Package Testing PPA : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[06:18] <tgm4883> If anyone does decide to test it, let me know how it works out and any bugs there are. You can file bugs against Mythbuntu
[06:19] <tgm4883> It's building for karmic and lucid, but should be able to run on any release that has MCC-revamp
[22:10] <Ratok> hello everyone, i got a question concerning the use of alternate players: hence i configured my alternate player to "mplayer -framedrop -monitoraspect 16:9 -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -ao alsa-device=spdif %s" but it turned out, that if i select "play with alternate player" in the video menu, it just pops back to the menu
[22:10] <Ratok> is there something i missed to activate beforehand?
[22:12] <Ratok> or the main problem i got are embedded subtitles in mkv files
[22:12] <gregl> Ratok, as far as i know you can't launch an alternate player anymore..
[22:12] <Ratok> thats why i tried to use an alternate
[22:13] <Ratok> oh whys that, there is an option so i thought it works ;)
[22:13] <gregl> used to be but it was dropped..
[22:13] <Ratok> oh thats unfortunate
[22:14] <Ratok> so is there a solution for mkv files?
[22:14] <Ratok> with embedded subs
[22:14] <Ratok> or maybe is there one coming up?
[22:14] <gregl> don't know i don't use them..
[22:15] <Ratok> its really a pitty
[22:15] <Ratok> because everything else is doing great
[22:15] <mrand> Ratok: here is a recent dicsussion on the topic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/424625?search_string=mkv;#424625
[22:15] <Zinn> [www.gossamer-threads.com] Disabling the internal player | MythTV | Users
[22:15] <gregl> There has been a big discussion on the mythtv mailing list ..
[22:15] <Ratok> thx for the info zinn
[22:15] <Zinn> Hi Ratok, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[22:18] <Ratok> oh yeah hard stuff
[22:19] <Ratok> same argumentation like me
[22:19] <Ratok> no subtitles ;)
[22:19] <Ratok> maybe 0.23 solves the case
[22:21] <mrand> Ratok: I got the impression from skimming that thread that they were sometimes referring to 0.23, so I'm not promising any improvements in that area.  Having said that, 0.23 should contain MANY other bug fixes and minor improvements worthy of upgrading.
[22:22] <Ratok> ;(
[22:22] <mrand> Towards the end of that discussion, they were talking about other changes that will fix this... but timeframe is unknown.
[22:23] <Ratok> we will see
[22:23] <Ratok> hence i got to play them from external
[22:41] <Ratok> good night to all in my timezone ;)
[23:08] <jtee> i am having trouble with the EPG flashing during live tv
[23:08] <jtee> using a pvr-150 card
[23:28] <Technophil> Can someone tell me where the boot volume setting is, booting starts at 0 and seems to need to be manually set to max on every boot.  This is using Realtek ALC888
[23:35] <mythbuntu-test> hello
[23:48] <mythbuntu-test> testing again
[23:55] <superm1> !hi | jtee
[23:55] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about hi
[23:55] <superm1> oh what happened to our nice !hi?
[23:56] <jtee> hee  dunno... what's it supposed to do?
[23:56] <superm1> it's supposed to have the bot say hi to you, how can we help
[23:57] <jtee> silly bot
[23:57] <superm1> so anyway, what's up?  what you need help with?
[23:57] <rhpot1991> superm1: I think I deleted it
[23:57] <jtee> i was wondering if the EPG flashing in live tv mode (for PVR-150 cards) has been fixed since the ice ages (err... 8.10)
[23:58] <superm1> i don't believe i was ever aware of such an issue