[06:43] <karto> just add the files to the window, choose "file>write to disc"
[06:43] <deFrysk> Cred, yes
[06:43] <deFrysk> its calles flashplugin-nonfree
[06:43] <Cred> So it's the same?
[06:43] <Cred> Same package with different name?
[06:43] <Drago> ahh cool thanks.
[06:44] <Drago> I'm not used to gnome.
[06:44] <billytwowilly> what do I change in gconf-editor to get a different icon for directories than for files? Theya ll have this paper like icon now
[06:44] <karto> me neither... had to learn that one the hard way :
[06:44] <deFrysk> gnome rules
[06:44] <Cred> So it does ;)
[06:45] <Cred> I did have to make one change as I didn't like double click to open idea :)
[06:45] <karto> is there any way to make backspace the back key in firefox?
[06:45] <deFrysk> xfce4.2 rules too btw
[06:46] <deFrysk> http://www.geocities.com/johanvrt/Screenshot.png
[06:46] <Drago> also I seem not to be able to get bittorrent working. it needs libgtk2.3 or greater but says that only 2.2 or under is installed. I don't see 2.3 in the package manager.
[06:46] <Disharmony> hey can anybody provide some llinks to debian ustable mirrors?
[06:46] <billytwowilly> Also, how do I turn off the lame "This file has X extension but is Y please change extension or use openwith to select application"?
[06:46] <Cred> Fluxbox would be my choice.. I liked it.
[06:46] <deFrysk> Drago, apt-get install bittorrent-gui
[06:46] <kensai> deFrysk: so how do I fix it not searching for ext3 ?
[06:46] <erik> Disharmony: deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[06:46] <deFrysk> kensai, dont know to be honest
[06:46] <Disharmony> thanks erik
[06:47] <erik> np Disharmony
[06:47] <Cred> Thanks deFrysk
[06:47] <deFrysk> or apt-get install bittornado-gui
[06:47] <deFrysk> bittornado rules
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> the Ubuntu install i386 warty CD, in custom mode, can't seem to read my partition table
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> fdisk and the partitioner do it
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> but the kernel isn't seeing any partitions
[06:48] <Isbiten> Im having problem with my keyboard and ubuntu, Im using one of those old mini keyboard that came with the old imacs
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> I can't find the pcbios partition module?
[06:48] <Isbiten> I can't do 'at' signs etc
[06:49] <Treenaks> Mirno: please take it to #politics
[06:49] <cardador> Mirno: nothing to be happy about, i think :\
[06:49] <deFrysk> Treenaks, #amateurs you mean ?
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> Anyone know about the installer being difficult/broken?
[06:50] <Treenaks> deFrysk: no, #politics
[06:51] <billytwowilly> does gnome have something like kprinter?
[06:51] <Mirno> Treenaks,  sorry, was a broadcast should have left the channel before broadcasting it, I apologize.
[06:51] <karto> woooot... firefox 1.0RC1 has backspace for back!!!!
[06:51] <Drago> adding normal debian mirrors into my sources list wont mess up ubuntu will it?
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> it's saying drievers like ide-mod etc are not available
[06:53] <baluba> Drago, the universe is not enough?
[06:53] <cyrus-tc> is there a modul for 3w-xxxx loadable after booting from cd? i can't try - not at home
[06:53] <baluba> ciao merlin0
[06:53] <spiv> Drago: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[06:53] <merlin0> ciao baluba
[06:54] <MeAndU> I wont to mount a folder is it possible
[06:55] <cardador> MeAndU: explain yourself better
[06:55] <cardador> MeAndU: what exactly you want to mount?
[06:55] <Drago> okay
[06:55] <merlin0> folder is a directory?
[06:55] <karto> is there a way to add the "click middle mouse scroll" to firefox?
[06:55] <Drago> thakns
[06:56] <karto> same as in windows
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> so is Ubuntu terminally broken?
[06:56] <baluba> karto, is not there?
[06:57] <MeAndU> cardador, I wont to mount  single folder which has my media sound and video in my /home. I currently access it by mounting the hole partition a fat32 part
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> considering the installer refuses to find my partitions when I managed to somehow install sarge and gentoo, and fdisk lists partitions, and the ubuntu partitioner lists them
[06:57] <deFrysk> karto,  yes
[06:57] <karto> baluba, like tis http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/238860
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> it's as if my kernel has no code in it for reading the partition table
[06:57] <deFrysk> in options preferences
[06:58] <deFrysk> edit > preferences
[06:58] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: it does, don't worry
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  Well it can't seem to find my partitions
[06:58] <cardador> MeAndU: you should edit /etc/fstab and add: /dev/hda? /home/meandu/media&sound auto auto,users,exec       0       0
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> the installer won't format hda8 because the kernel can't find the device
[06:58] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: then there's a problem somewhere else
[06:58] <karto> :D ... thx deFrysk
[06:58] <deFrysk> karto, set it in advanced to autoscrolling
[06:59] <karto> ive been looking in all the wrong places - missed the obvious
[06:59] <cardador> MeAndU: where i write hda? you should put the number of your partitin
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  The problem is that it has ide-disc loaded, it sees a /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc, but no partitions
[06:59] <MeAndU> cardador, can i test that command line before i add it
[06:59] <karto> damn i've been missing that feature ... my fingers are lazy
[06:59] <merlin0> MeAndU: is not possible (in my knowledge)
[06:59] <cardador> MeAndU: yes
[06:59] <erik> ugh
[06:59] <deFrysk> karto, never say "like in windows" again , or you might crash , like in windows
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  I can make devices to access those partitions, but the kernel says no such device.
[06:59] <erik> how do you get the "Applications/system" menu back if it is deleted?
[07:00] <cardador> MeAndU: mount /dev/hda???? /home/meandu/media&sound??
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  now where else do you suppose the problem is?
[07:00] <deFrysk> erik rightclick the panel
[07:00] <baluba> karto, check this preference and change it to 'true'
[07:00] <baluba> karto, general.autoScroll
[07:00] <deFrysk> erik, and add do blah and select
[07:00] <merlin0> cardador: he want mount only a folder of his windows partition
[07:00] <cardador> windows?
[07:01] <MeAndU> cardador, No that will mount the whole partition, what i want is a single folder from that partition
[07:01] <karto> sometimes i boot to winXP just to see how long it takes before it locks up on me... maybe i should write a program to do those random lockups for ubuntu?
[07:01] <karto> thx baluba - got it already ;)
[07:01] <baluba> karto, ok
[07:01] <cardador> MeAndU: ahh, dont know if it is possible. sorry i didnt understand
[07:02] <MeAndU> merlin0, What if i mount the partition somewhere and then mount the folder from that location
[07:02] <merlin0> MeAndU: reserve a windows partition for that data, then mount it
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> this is terminally broken  >/
[07:02] <darkpines> MeAndU, Or mount the partition in /mnt and then make a symbolic link in home for your folder.
[07:02] <merlin0> MeAndU: you can mount a device ( a partition)
[07:03] <MeAndU> merlin0, Sure I can do that but mounting a folder is not possible
[07:03] <merlin0> yes, darkpines is elegant solution
[07:04] <merlin0> use symbolic links
[07:04] <MeAndU> if the folder is /mnt/hdd6/media what will be the link command to /home/meandu
[07:04] <deFrysk> ln -s blah
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> I can't fix this, the modules that i need just aren't there, or i don't know what they are; in either case, the installer sure as hell can't find any modules related to actually letting the kernel understand what's on my disk
[07:06] <darkpines> MeandU, ln -s /mnt/hdd6/media /home/meandu/nameyougivethefolder
[07:07] <cardador> bluefoxicy: have you checked your iso md5?
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> cardador: i'll do that
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> this may take a while
[07:08] <MeAndU> darkpines, I got this error hard link not allowed for directory
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  /data/cd_images/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:09] <billytwowilly> nautilus is driving me nuts. How do I turn off the stupid protection to stop me from opening files with the wrong extension?
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  looks right.
[07:09] <darkpines> MeAndU, you probably have to mount the partition with permissions for your user
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  is expert mode broken?
[07:10] <MeAndU> darkpines, Can i do it from command line ( only root can mount )
[07:11] <cardador> bluefoxicy: dont know,  i have used without an hitch
[07:11] <darkpines> MeAndU, Add to your /etc/fstab so it automounts with user permissions.  Is this a vfat partition?
[07:11] <cardador> *have used it
[07:12] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  willing to step through with me?
[07:12] <MeAndU> darkpines, Yes its a fat32 part, but i want to test before i add to fstab
[07:13] <MeAndU> darkpines, fstab needs a reboot right !
[07:13] <cardador> bluefoxicy: i am not a linux expert, just an enthusiast :)
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> meh
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> does anyone here want to walk through an install with me?
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> it's like 5 steps before it breaks
[07:14] <cardador> bluefoxicy: you can try me, and maybe one of ubuntu guru might help
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> k
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> boot:  expert acpi=off
[07:15] <darkpines> MeAndU, no reboot necessary, after you edit fstab, type mount -a and it will go through the routine.
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> choose language:  English; choose location:  United States; select a keyboard layout:  PC style, American English
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> Detect and mount CD-ROM
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> bunch of modules, continue, don't prompt for module parameters
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> start PC card services
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> Unable to load some modules:  natsemi, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> Tune CD-rom:  -X69 -u1 -d1; found warty warthog 4.10
[07:17] <nesman89> windows network question
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> load installer components (selected none).  DEtect network hardware (natsemi), unavailable drivers:  Ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:18] <altan> by the way, it appears that there is a problem with location settings, when I had location set to Turkey when I installed Ubuntu I got a bunch of warnings when starting XWindows programs from the command line about C headers do not support locale or something that would repeat as long as the program was open
[07:18] <altan> I stopped this from happening by switching my location to the US
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> static config on the network
[07:18] <cardador> bluefoxicy: whats your computer arquit.? 386 amd, etc
[07:18] <nesman89> i browse to windows network and get an access denied wrong permissions.  any ideas
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> detect hardware.  Unavailable modules:  ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> cardador: Compaq Presario 2100 with DEbian Sarge, ReactOS, and Gentoo LInux on it.  AMD Athlon XP barton core.
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> partition disks.
[07:19] <cardador> bluefoxicy: which iso you have?
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> it shows #1 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 in the partitioner (Ide1 master hda 60.0GB IC25N060ATMR04-0)
[07:20] <Disharmony> is there any gui tool to mount partitions in ubuntu?
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:21] <MeAndU> darkpines, I added mount to fstab with auto auto,users,exec 0 0 but still got the hard link not allowed for directory
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> finish partitioning, format hda8
[07:21] <cardador> bluefoxicy: ok. dont have a clue whats your problem. maybe you can ask it on ubuntu user list
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> Cannot create filesystem on partition 8 of IDE1 Master (hda)
[07:21] <cyrus-tc> may _anybody_ take a look into the intitial kernel configuration if there is a modul for 3w-xxxx? thank you
[07:22] <nesman89> any thoughts on connecting to windows network?
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> cat: hda8: No such device or address
[07:22] <MeAndU> darkpines, I still dont have user access to the mounted partition
[07:22] <cardador> nesman89: computer > syst conf > networking > general > windows networking
[07:23] <cardador> nesman89: you should install samba though
[07:23] <darkpines> MeAndU Did you try mount -a after you edited fstab?
[07:23] <MeAndU> darkpines, yes
[07:23] <helkanaur> Hmm.. my XMMS is playing the songs _really_ fast, 3 sec on a song thats 4 min. oO  And no sound..
[07:23] <helkanaur> Someone told me to change 'output-plugin' .. (?)
[07:23] <nesman89> i can connect using the connect to computer option than putting in the computer name.  i was just wondering  there was an issue browsing to the share.
[07:24] <MeAndU> darkpines, It did mount i can see the files but no access as user
[07:24] <rapha> Hi all!
[07:25] <darkpines> MeAndU In my fstab, I just use umask=0, and it works
[07:26] <MeAndU> darkpines, ok i will try that
[07:27] <MeAndU> darkpines, where does it fit any where in the line
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> the regular guided install can't do it either.
[07:29] <cardador> bluefoxicy: thats weird, because you dont have problems with plain debian
[07:29] <MeAndU> darkpines, I now have access to the mounted folder as user but still got the hard link not allowed for directory
[07:29] <jind> Hey, no ops?
[07:29] <darkpines> MeAndU For example, my window partition is mounted: /dev/hde1  /mnt/windows/  vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
[07:29] <Mithrandir> jind: chanserv.
[07:29] <j^> is the arch mirror of cvs.gnome.org a myth or does it exist? i do not want to wait for the anoncvs.gnome.org anymore.
[07:29] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  It's weird, because I apparently have to jump through fewer hoops to install Gentoo; and these hoops appear to be on fire.
[07:31] <cardador> bluefoxicy: try asking in the mail list
[07:32] <MeAndU> darkpines, Thanks a lot Its ok now i changed the option from -S to -s
[07:32] <darkpines> MeAndU Great
[07:32] <MeAndU> darkpines, Many Thanks
[07:33] <darkpines> MeAndU No problem, have fun
[07:36] <baluba> bye
[07:43] <betadan> hello?
[07:43] <jdz`> Hi
[07:44] <betadan> ok here goes, i have ubuntu x86_64 and when i try to ./configure certain programs  i get this error: No package 'libglademm-2.4' found
[07:44] <betadan> configure: error: Library requirements (libglademm-2.4 libxml++-2.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[07:45] <betadan> so i go to synaptic and look for libglademm and all i get is version 2.0 which is already installed
[07:45] <betadan> burt i need 2.4 amd it's not showing up
[07:45] <betadan> *and
[07:46] <betadan> any ideas?
[07:49] <betadan> ok here goes, i have ubuntu x86_64 and when i try to ./configure certain programs  i get this error: No package 'libglademm-2.4' found
[07:49] <betadan> so i go to synaptic and look for libglademm and all i get is version 2.0 which is already installed
[07:50] <betadan> but i need 2.4 and it's not showing up
[07:52] <Xenguy> Any idea what the disk space requirements are for a standard Ubuntu 'desktop' installation?
[07:52] <Xenguy> er, hello :-)  --^
[07:53] <Nonphasis> /dev/sda2              9775248   5320340   4454908  55% /
[07:53] <Nonphasis> /dev/sda2               11G   5.5G   4.6G  55% /
[07:53] <Nonphasis> 5.5 gig used
[07:53] <Disharmony> 1.5gb i think plus swapspace
[07:53] <Nonphasis> though that has lotsa "non-required" stuff
[07:53] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: nod - tx
[07:54] <Xenguy> Disharmony: that sounds more my speed :-)
[07:54] <Nonphasis> apparently i only have 1 gig at /home
[07:55] <Nonphasis> so I guess you *will* come to need something like 4 gig
[07:56] <Sensebend> how many are running Hoary?
[07:56] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: that sounds high to me (but I have no real idea yet)
[07:56] <Disharmony> i have mine on about 3 gb but not much free space left 600-700MB
[07:56] <Nonphasis> what size is your hd?
[07:57] <iz> xmms crash
[07:57] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: I was going to try on a spare HD but they are old/small, so I may have to re-think this
[07:57] <epod> The other day someone sent me to an ubuntulinux.org page that not only showed how to install the ndiswrapper, but how to save the settings for it.  Can anyone refer me to that url?
[07:57] <Disharmony> me?
[07:57] <Nonphasis> xmms does crash with nvidia binary drivers, yes
[07:57] <iz> aha
[07:57] <iz> Nonphasis, solution?
[07:57] <someone> epod: i thought ubuntu came with ndiswrapper
[07:57] <Nonphasis> iz, my solutions was to use bmp as media player
[07:58] <iz> :)
[07:58] <iz> tnx
[07:58] <Nonphasis>  beep-media-player that is
[07:58] <Nonphasis> rhythmbox sucks
[07:58] <epod> someone, well, you have to download it, but there was a way to save my settings so it automatically came up on boot-up
[07:58] <betadan> where do i get libglademm-2.4?
[07:58] <iz> apt-get install beep-media-player
[07:58] <someone> epod: try modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:58] <iz> :)
[07:59] <epod> one of the ubuntu pages had a whole writeup on it
[07:59] <epod> but it's *not* the ndiswrapper howto, that just says how to install it
[07:59] <torben> Hi! Anyone from Denmark in here?
[07:59] <strestout1__> epod, im having the same problem
[08:00] <strestout1__> sometimes i even have to rmmod ndiswrapper, modprobe ndiswrapper before it works
[08:00] <Disharmony> anybody tried the linuxant drivers with ubuntu? maybe even with an Apache HCF modem(long shot)?
[08:00] <someone> if you can: modprobe ndiswrapper without error..then you can add it to...  /etc/modules
[08:00] <epod> strestout1__, yeah, and I know the answer is on the ubunti site, I just can't find the page :D
[08:00] <epod> brb
[08:00] <strestout1__> wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <strestout1__> go to how-tos
[08:00] <strestout1__> should be near the top
[08:01] <iz> Nonphasis are there skins for the beeb-media-player?
[08:01] <cardador> iz: you have ubuntu skin :D
[08:01] <iz> :)
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> hi iz
[08:02] <RuffianSoldier> LN/Ubuntu Users For LIFE!
[08:02] <iz> hi RuffianSoldier
[08:02] <iz> apt-cache search beep-media-player
[08:02] <iz> nope skinz
[08:04] <Scognito> hi
[08:04] <Nonphasis> iz, i dunno, never bothered to skin anything
[08:04] <Scognito> i have a veeeeeeery long boot (70 seconds before gdm start)
[08:04] <Scognito> is it normal?
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> :)
[08:04] <Scognito> i have p3, and only ftp as server
[08:04] <Nonphasis> I sometives even prefer to play music on mplayer on console :)
[08:05] <Nonphasis> Scognito, does it stop on something in particular?
[08:05] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install aptitude :-p
[08:05] <Nonphasis> Scognito, though it doesn't sound abnormally long
[08:06] <Nonphasis> and yeah, Bush won :)
[08:07] <Scognito> Nonphasis, it is slow compared on my old debian
[08:07] <Nonphasis> Scognito, does the flow of messages stop somewhere?
[08:07] <Scognito> nothing in particular slow the boot
[08:08] <Nonphasis> ubuntu does more stuff than debian on boot
[08:08] <Scognito> i know
[08:08] <Scognito> in fact i wish to remove something
[08:08] <iz> wow cewl beep-media-player used also xmms skins
[08:08] <Scognito> in particular devfs
[08:08] <Nonphasis> doesn't U use udev?
[08:09] <Scognito> i use it
[08:09] <iz> copy the skin into the subdir skins .bmp/Skins/
[08:09] <Nonphasis> iz, good to know
[08:09] <Scognito> but i don't know how to remove it
[08:09] <Nonphasis> Scognito, why do you care about boot speed? laptop?
[08:10] <Scognito> no
[08:10] <Erix> hi
[08:10] <Scognito> but it is irritating, becasue debian boot is double speed
[08:10] <Scognito> hi Eri
[08:10] <Nonphasis> k
[08:11] <epod> new kernel
[08:11] <epod> reboot time
[08:11] <Nonphasis> I rarely boot, perhaps once/twice a day
[08:11] <MyKq3> how can i improve performance on my UbuntuLinux system  ?
[08:11] <rapha> MyKq3: Use the console :=)
[08:12] <rapha> Seriously; what kind of performance would you like to increase?
[08:12] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, there's a slider in Control panel, just move the performance to max
[08:12] <shaver_> heh
[08:12] <MyKq3> :) rapha no big use there i still feel that the system is a bit havy then the dsy i installed it :\
[08:13] <rapha> MyKq3: you are saying system performance decreased for you?
[08:13] <sean_> anybody know anything about configuring cd burners?
[08:13] <iz> k3b?
[08:13] <sean_> ubuntu doesnt seem to have set up scsi emulation for mine
[08:13] <MyKq3> rapha,  yeah :\ and i don't know y
[08:13] <Nonphasis> if i had to pick one gripe about Ubuntu, it would be the cd burning
[08:14] <rapha> MyKq3: Then something's wrong. This happens to Windows systems, but not to Linux systems, generally speaking.
[08:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: I second that.
[08:14] <sean_> I installed gcombust and checked the loaded modules and ubuntu is just oblivious to the fact that the drive is a burner
[08:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, files and ISOs are fine. But copying CDs and MP3->Audio CD is weak.
[08:14] <sean_> any ideas on prompting it to recognise it?
[08:15] <Nonphasis> nautilus used to work, but not anymore
[08:15] <rapha> sean_: What does Nautilus say? Does Nautilus recognize your burner?
[08:15] <Nonphasis> and k3b doesn't work either
[08:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: Eh? It works just fine here...
[08:15] <Gladiak> hi
[08:15] <MyKq3> rapha,  i know that . thats the resone i want to check whats wrong but i don't know how... does not  the linux sys have any error log
[08:15] <Nonphasis> i probably need to set up scsi emulation
[08:15] <Nonphasis> or remove that temporary slave hd from the ide channel
[08:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: You shouldn't have to on a 2.6 system. SCSI emulation is pre-2.6.
[08:15] <MyKq3> sach as macsys ans Windows
[08:16] <sean_> rapha: nautulis doesnt see it at all , it only offers the option to burn to a file image
[08:16] <Nonphasis> rapha, i thought so too, but burning just doesn't work anymore for me.
[08:16] <rapha> MyKq3: There's /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Those are the two files you can check.
[08:16] <MyKq3> rapha,  thanks
[08:16] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, is the system jerky?
[08:16] <Gladiak> i have a problem with acpi on a hp pavilion...it seems like a very low refresh rate. some suggestion ?
[08:16] <rapha> sean_: Wierd. Do you have another burner?
[08:16] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  jerky ? whats that ?
[08:17] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, i mean sound stutter, jerky mouse movewent
[08:17] <rapha> Nonphasis: just out of the blue? I find that hard to believe; can you remember what you did prior to burning not working anymore?
[08:17] <sean_> I'm afraid not , its the only one I have
[08:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, a series of apt-get upgrades
[08:17] <plovs> what is the best way to copy an audio cd on ubuntu?
[08:17] <Gladiak> i have a problem with acpi on a hp pavilion...it seems like a very low refresh rate. some suggestion ?
[08:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, and added that one hd to the ide channel, which i suppose might cause problemn
[08:18] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  no  i don't have any problems with the mouse or the windows movements .... the problem is that some times the system get stuck or gets slown down every few sec for few sec
[08:18] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, my guess its a bad package ;\
[08:19] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, during disk access?
[08:19] <iz> MyKq3, i have the same problem when the screensaver start you see it stop every 2 seconds
[08:19] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, no any activity
[08:19] <MyKq3> iz yeah itz a good E,G,
[08:19] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, sounds like misbehaving hardware or drivers...
[08:20] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, it  can b driver problem :\
[08:20] <MyKq3> it could*
[08:20] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, /v/l/messages sounds like a place to check
[08:20] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, thanks
[08:20] <iz> i think first the it was the nvdiadrvier
[08:20] <iz> argh
[08:21] <iz> MyKq3, what sort of motherboard do you have?
[08:21] <MyKq3> thanks u all
[08:21] <MyKq3> iz i have asus MB and i have Hercules VD
[08:21] <iz> asus a7v?
[08:22] <MyKq3> hum.... i don't remmber ...
[08:22] <MyKq3> iz  do u think its a agp problem ?
[08:22] <Nonphasis> do "lspci"
[08:22] <epod> How do I get my laptop listed in the hardware compatibility thing for ubuntu
[08:22] <iz> i think that i must do a bios update maybe there's the solution
[08:22] <epod> ?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, it will show you the chipset
[08:23] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  what will slow my chip set?
[08:23] <iz> lspci
[08:23] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, first line for me is  Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  -- I have kt400
[08:24] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  so y should i do lspci ? ....
[08:24] <iz> 0.0
[08:24] <iz> Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP]  Host Bridge
[08:24] <iz> :)
[08:24] <Nonphasis> amd64?
[08:24] <iz> yup
[08:24] <Nonphasis> nice
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> "No, He Will Get Us All Killed!"
[08:25] <MyKq3> plz wait i want to read about lspci ( i m still a newb :\)
[08:25] <iz> RuffianSoldier, alien?
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> Bush
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[08:25] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, just type "lspci" in terminal
[08:25] <iz> without the "
[08:25] <MyKq3>  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI]  (rev 30)
[08:26] <iz> k i must boot new kernel, seeyaso
[08:26] <Nonphasis> aha, via chipset. oldish, should be well supported...
[08:27] <MyKq3> yeah itz an old machine ... 5 years old :>>
[08:28] <rapha> make: no: command not found???!
[08:28] <MyKq3> apt-get install make
[08:29] <rapha> MyKq3: No, the command that wasn't found _by_ make is "no". And I've never heard of a "no", just of a "yes".
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install aptitude :-p
[08:30] <servo888> afternoon
[08:30] <linux_mafia> morning
[08:30] <MyKq3> night....
[08:30] <servo888> So... ubuntu is a debian based distro right?
[08:30] <Cuga_> yep
[08:30] <servo888> Does it also use apt-get?
[08:30] <Treenaks> yes
[08:31] <servo888> So why would somebody choose ubuntu against debian?
[08:31] <iz> servo888, the installer, hardwaresupport etc
[08:31] <Treenaks> servo888: because it's a nice package deal (easier install, less hassle with finding packages, default working graphical desktop)
[08:31] <Cuga_> If you want a snapshot of debian unstable that has fixes and security updates.. that was my comeover from debian
[08:32] <Cuga_> 6 month release cycle is very appealing aswell
[08:32] <servo888> hmm ok - I'll see. I'll create another partition and give unbuntu a try...
[08:34] <Nonphasis> i was also running Sid
[08:34] <epod> can anyone direct me to the ndiswrapper setup page that is not http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363 ? The one that shows how to get ndiswrapper to save your settings so that they come up on boot?
[08:34] <Nonphasis> but got bored of it breaking all the time
[08:35] <Cuga_> i did a dist-upgrade to sid on a bad day... :S then remembered reading bout ubuntu and i never looked back
[08:36] <epod> Ubuntu has the easiest install for the ati drivers I have ever seen
[08:36] <Nonphasis> asking questions on #debian can also be an Ubuntu-motivator ;-)
[08:36] <epod> lol
[08:37] <epod> I can't find the page, I *know* I read it before, someone in this channel directed me to it.  Grr!
[08:37] <strestout_ubuntu> anyone here try beagle on ubuntu yet?
[08:37] <epod> what's beagle?
[08:38] <Cuga_> isn't that some kinda ip tracker ?
[08:38] <Nonphasis> "ndiswrapper" even *sounds scary
[08:38] <Cuga_> or am I thinking of something else
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> no its the new search system for gnome
[08:38] <epod> Nonphasis, it works just fine
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> kinda like winfs is suppossed to be for windows
[08:38] <Nonphasis> beagle is kinda google for local computer
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> there u go
[08:38] <Cuga_> ahh nice
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> im trying to install it now and was just wondering if anyone had tried
[08:39] <Nonphasis> it's in Mono, right?
[08:39] <asimon> Will there be security updates for the unsupported packages in universe/multiverse too?
[08:39] <Cuga_> asimon, no
[08:39] <Nonphasis> asimon, no, hence "unsupported"
[08:39] <strestout_ubuntu> Nonphasis: yes its in mono
[08:40] <strestout_ubuntu> it now requires a kernel patch too
[08:40] <Nonphasis> kernel patch... ouch
[08:40] <Nonphasis> was it "inotify" or...?
[08:40] <asimon> Too bad. But thanks.
[08:40] <Pete-Gas> has anyone gotten openoffice to print for them using ubuntu?
[08:41] <Nonphasis> asimon, therefore, it might be a good idea to not run network facing stuff from universe
[08:41] <rapha> Nonphasis: for Beagle? Yes, inotify.
[08:41] <Nonphasis> I suppose inotify will be in hoary kernel soon
[08:41] <lev> Pete-Gas: yeah, that works for me.
[08:42] <Pete-Gas> what command do you feed openoffice in the printer admin?
[08:42] <lev> Pete-Gas: ???
[08:42] <Pete-Gas> did you have to setup your printer in the openoffice printer admin app?
[08:42] <lev> Pete-Gas: all I had to do was set the printer up in the gnome printer utility.
[08:42] <Nonphasis> I never saw the point of bootsplash
[08:42] <Nonphasis> I love all those little details about my hardware :)
[08:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, something for the eye...
[08:43] <Pete-Gas> i set my printer up in the gnome utility also, but openoffice doesnt print for me
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: when I go to print, openoffice sees the printer just fine.
[08:43] <rapha> Heheh. For how long have you been using computers Nonphasis?
[08:43] <epod> Nonphasis, I want a shiny nice screen on boot up like the ubuntu livecd has
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: can you print from something besides OOo?
[08:43] <asimon> Nonphasis: With bootsplash your screen looks nice for the brief time it boots up. That's all.
[08:43] <epod> but I don't know how to do that
[08:43] <Pete-Gas> yea, I can print from every other app I have tried
[08:43] <Nonphasis> rapha, 15 years, give or take
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: I didn't have to do anything special for OOo...
[08:44] <lev> Pete-Gas: is your printer in its drop down menu?
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> yup
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> my printer is working over a network
[08:44] <asimon> Pete-Gas: I used 'kprinter' in OO's printer admin, but that's only good if you use KDE.
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> could that have somethin to do with it?
[08:44] <Nonphasis> ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:346b 83:7d01 84:4003 85:3469 86:3c01 87:4003 88:207f
[08:44] <Nonphasis> what's not to love? ;-)
[08:44] <epod> Can someone tell me how to set up bootsplash, or direct me to where I can find out?
[08:44] <lev> Pete-Gas: could be...dunno.
[08:44] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, for me it's been exactly 16 years. I got my first computer with 6 and am now 22. Some time I decided I'd seen enough boot messages ;-)
[08:45] <pepsi_> 6 doesnt count yo :P
[08:45] <rapha> Why?
[08:45] <pepsi_> i dunno
[08:45] <rapha> Ah.
[08:46] <Nonphasis> you kids had it easy... I was 11 when I got my first computer
[08:46] <Nonphasis> tape drive & the works
[08:46] <Nonphasis> "and we LIKED it"
[08:46] <rapha> Besides that, some non-technical users ARE confused by these messages. Hiding them doesn't hurt, as long as they're still accessible.
[08:46] <Cuga_> apple 2
[08:46] <Cuga_> :)
[08:47] <rapha> Nonphasis: C64 for me. And then a Schneider 8086.
[08:47] <rapha> And next came an 80286, MAN that thing rocked! It even played Test Drive!
[08:47] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to run the WineCVS.sh script but i'm getting this error: the error reporting is cvs [checkout aborted] : unrecognized auth response from cvs.transgaming.org pam failed to release authenticator
[08:48] <Nonphasis> MSX-SVI 728 -> 8086 -> 486 -> P2 -> Athlon stuff (2 variants)
[08:48] <rapha> I've never heard of a MSX-SVI 728. What was that?
[08:48] <Kirsch> this also might help: PAM start error: Critical error - immediate abort
[08:48] <Nonphasis> Spectravideo 728
[08:48] <rapha> zennow.
[08:48] <rapha> Ah
[08:48] <Nonphasis> "legendary" MSX compatible
[08:48] <Cuga_> Hey i've seen this command before but i can't remember what it is, was a dpkg if i recall... I want to trace what package installed a specific file.. anybody have any idea?
[08:49] <rapha> Cuga_: stupid standard answer "man dpkg" :-)
[08:49] <Nonphasis> I would figure that many current Linux users had one - it was more programmable than C64
[08:49] <Mithrandir> Cuga_: dpkg -S filename
[08:49] <Nonphasis> Cuga_, apt-file might work as well
[08:50] <rapha> Heheh, only thing I did on that C64 was to play games.
[08:50] <Nonphasis> rapha, I know, they all did... with hundreds of warezed games on diskettes
[08:50] <Cuga_> Nice
[08:50] <rapha> Nonphasis: Not that we'd have a clue about "pirated software" back then ;-)
[08:51] <Nonphasis> rapha, well of course not, it being theft and all
[08:51] <rapha> s/we'd have/we've had
[08:51] <Nonphasis> I suppose the Good Man Bush will come down hard on those thieving bastards
[08:51] <epod> hm, gnome-pilot isn't working with my USB hotsync thing.. I have no clue what device it is
[08:51] <epod> :/
[08:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: Despite being German, I'm still very much hoping for a positive outcome of the Ohio/Iowa/New Mexico hand-countings.
[08:52] <rapha> (positive == Kerry)
[08:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, Bush won already
[08:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, Kerry gave up
[08:52] <Cuga_> don't matter, Kerry Conceded
[08:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: WHATT?
[08:52] <Nonphasis> so REJOICE ;-)
[08:52] <rapha> Show me the news message!
[08:52] <Cuga_> Kerry gave up
[08:52] <MyKq3> some here konws how the kde mathtype is called ?
[08:52] <Nonphasis> we all love Bush
[08:52] <shaver_> it's not clear that concessions have legal weight
[08:52] <Cuga_> www.cnn.com ?
[08:53] <rapha> Sure...
[08:53] <Nonphasis> (that's for you, ECHELON)
[08:53] <stvn> rapha: yeah, it's all over the news for the past 2 hours
[08:53] <rapha> shaver_: concessions? Is that what you call dead voters?
[08:53] <rapha> s/voters/votes.
[08:53] <shaver_> no, concession speeches
[08:53] <Cuga_> Kerry at 1pmEST made hes official address to US saying hes out, and in 10 mins Bush is making his victory speech
[08:53] <Nonphasis> rapha, that's what you call dead Islamists ;-)
[08:53] <shaver_> like the one Kerry just gave
[08:53] <rapha> No ECHELON, THIS is for you: we HATE Bush!
[08:54] <Nonphasis> rapha, prepare for friendly men with black sunglasses on your doorstep
[08:54] <rapha> Bah.
[08:54] <epod> Can someone direct me to the page with the instructions for configuring ndiswrapper?  I suppose they can still "get" us via some WTO loophole ;-)
[08:55] <rapha> Oh Finland, cool. Alla Jalavapuun.
[08:55] <Nonphasis> Alla Jalavapuun? I suppose it's a song?
[08:55] <rapha> By CMX, yes.
[08:55] <Nonphasis> CMX rocks, especially live
[08:55] <rapha> The only Suomi phrase I can remember.
[08:56] <rapha> Well, I only got a couple of MP3s by them.
[08:56] <Nonphasis> what songs?
[08:56] <rapha> Suomi Musikii is cool in general.
[08:56] <Nonphasis> musiikki
[08:57] <Nonphasis> I don't listen to many bands that sing in finnish, CMX is one of them
[08:57] <rapha> Ismo Alanko, CMX, I think my favourite are Zen Caf or M. A. Numminen.
[08:58] <Nonphasis> ma Numminen :)
[08:58] <rapha> But the BEST band ever is Anylulu.
[08:58] <Nonphasis> unknown
[08:58] <rapha> That guy is so wierd, he kind of reminds me of myself :)
[08:59] <rapha> www.anylulu.com, although I believe their website has been a construction site for a couple of months.
[08:59] <Nonphasis> rapha, bands like z cafe and cmx are very lyrics-oriented, you are definitely missing something if you can't understand them
[08:59] <rapha> US girl married to a Finish guy plus a couple of their friends.
[08:59] <rapha> Nonphasis: definately. But the music for itself is cool, still.
[08:59] <Nonphasis> cmx == cloaca maxima == some stuff from HP Blavatsky books
[09:00] <rapha> (I wouldn't mind a couple of song translations though, yet I understand properly translating Finish lyrics is near to impossible)
[09:00] <rapha> Nonphasis: Blavatsky books? NO! HAHAH! I've been listening to CMX for years and going to Theosophy meetings for years without ever having known the connection!
[09:01] <Nonphasis> rapha, well, cmx is not technically a "theosophist" band but mysticism in general is heavily involved
[09:01] <rapha> Well, that's alright with me.
[09:02] <daniels> mdz: it is unspectacular.  i've never killed fd.o, and I've done that about 6 or 7 times.
[09:02] <rapha> (That's the nice thing about Theosophists -- they don't rule out anything)
[09:02] <daniels> mdz: but I'm pretty much totally unaffected, so *shrug*
[09:02] <iz> bonjour mirak
[09:02] <sparc64> hi. i just installed ubuntu, and it's very nice and stuff but my internet connection is really slow on it.
[09:03] <rapha> sparc64: What kind of connection do you have?
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: dialup.
[09:03] <rapha> Interesting.
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: but it's reeeaaally slow.
[09:03] <Nonphasis> rapha, I've read lots of Theosophy literature, though my interest mostly lies in Zen/oriental stuff. But that's what Theosophy is, in practice...
[09:03] <iz> Nonphasis, ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:03] <rapha> sparc64: But you're using this chat through your dial-up connection right now, don't you?
[09:03] <daniels> Mithrandir: *shrug*, had to try it to nstx working.
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: like google takes about 30secs to load.
[09:04] <rapha> Hmm
[09:04] <Nonphasis> iz, ita's Auuuuhhmmm ;-)
[09:04] <iz> ai :)
[09:04] <sparc64> rapha: yes.
[09:04] <iz> sparc64, dns okay?
[09:04] <iz> dhcp?
[09:04] <rapha> sparc64: Try and see if it's the name server. A good one you could alternatively put into /etc/resolv.conf is "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:04] <rapha> (It's also the only one I know by heart ;-) )
[09:05] <sparc64> ok...
[09:05] <Pizbit> Could bve that ipv6 bug rearing it's ugly head
[09:05] <sparc64> Pizbit: hmm?
[09:05] <natea> i just installed Ubuntu on my Mac, and the install went very smoothly.
[09:05] <sparc64> rapha: actually, it can't be the name server -- if i use the same connection on win it works fine.
[09:05] <Pizbit> sparc64: Several people on the mailing list are complaining of slow resolve times until they disabled ipv6
[09:05] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, I've been pretty badly opressed by some Christians a couple of years ago which kind of forced me to think about spirituality and all that. Fortunately led me in circles from Buddhism to what not, finally finding them Theosophists.
[09:06] <natea> however, i tried to add a couple entries to the /etc/fstab file to auto-mount my two Mac volumes (HFS+ fs) and now Linux is booting the HD in read-only
[09:06] <sparc64> rapha: (using server obtained by dhcp from the isp)
[09:06] <rapha> Nonphasis: What I _would_ like to try some time is definately Zen archery.
[09:06] <sparc64> Pizbit: ah, how do i do that?
[09:06] <Nonphasis> rapha, I suppose you are already doing meditation of some sort...?
[09:06] <rapha> sparc64: Well, it's not exactly DHCP, but yeah. Just try and see if a different name server helps.
[09:07] <natea> i'd remove the two lines from /etc/fstab but now the fs is read-only, so i can't edit the file. any suggestions?
[09:07] <sparc64> (apologies if my responses are slow here, the irc text is coming in chunks :/
[09:07] <Pizbit> sparc64: Few secs, getting the BR
[09:07] <rapha> Nonphasis: actually not very often. Only before "trials" of any kind, which I realise kind of jeopardizes the sense of meditations. But I *do* practice a martial art, "Tu Thn" about 2 two 5 times a week.
[09:07] <sparc64> Pizbit: thanks!
[09:08] <sparc64> rapha: hmm... isn't it dhcp from the ras server?
[09:08] <Nonphasis> rapha, trials?
[09:08] <natea> i can login (although not in graphical) but when I try to cat the /etc/fstab file, it says "input/output error"
[09:08] <Pizbit> sparc64: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2443 look at the last comment
[09:08] <rapha> sparc64: I was under the impression it didn't involve a DHCP server but was just part of the PPP stuff but I might be wrong.
[09:08] <sparc64> thankyou.
[09:08] <Pizbit> Er, second to last, #2
[09:08] <rapha> Nonphasis: Like, when you're going to school and you're at the end of your last year.... EXAMS"
[09:08] <rapha> s/"/!
[09:09] <Mithrandir> daniels: didn't work?
[09:09] <Pizbit> It might solve it, it might not, you don't use ipv6 anyway eh?
[09:09] <daniels> Mithrandir: nope, couldn't get other DNS out, and it just timed out with theirs
[09:09] <sparc64> Pizbit: hmm, could you msg me the text -- the host isn't resolving...
[09:09] <Nonphasis> rapha, wow. talk about abuse of meditation ;-)
[09:09] <epod> Can anyone direct me to the ubuntu page on how to configure ndiswrapper? (not the howto page on how to install it.  I got it installed :) )
[09:09] <natea> is there something I can type at the boot: prompt which will mount the fs in r/w mode?
[09:09] <sparc64> Pizbit: nah. can't deal with hex :)
[09:09] <mwh_> Hi, my gnome-panel whent beserk
[09:10] <Nonphasis> rapha, meditation is for me the "core" of the oriental spirituality. all the rest is derivative / byproduct of meditation
[09:10] <sparc64> Pizbit: ok, it's loading now... slooowly...
[09:10] <mwh_> how can I reset my gnome-panels?
[09:10] <mwh_> they keep respawning all the time
[09:10] <socomm> mwh_, killall -9 gnome-panel
[09:10] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, sitting in a darkened room, just one candle lit, some smell you've never smelled before and some music you've never heard before around you, eyes closed and that for about an hour most probably doesn't even count as meditation but more as relaxation, I guess...
[09:10] <Pizbit> Hehe, yeah, it's slow, I pasted the full comment here http://www.pastebin.com/116562
[09:10] <mwh_> socomm: I did that but thats like restarting them
[09:10] <Nonphasis> rapha, also the Zen-ish "being", which is a manifestation of a sort of "meditation" in active/day-today life
[09:10] <mwh_> socomm: when they start they crash you see
[09:11] <mwh_> I want to have my panels removed and recreated or something like it
[09:11] <Nonphasis> rapha, for me, the meditation is most often a quick 10 min fix within a normal day
[09:11] <epod> I want my wifi to come up on boot up, can anyone direct me to instructions on how I can do so?
[09:11] <rapha> Nonphasis: then your definition of meditation seems to be something like "living your beliefs", which is what I do through martial arts.
[09:11] <socomm> mwh_, you'll have to do it multiple times. I do it by pressing killall -9 gnome-panel [enter]  [up]  [enter]
[09:11] <sparc64> Pizbit: do i need to restart for that to take effect?
[09:12] <sparc64> Pizbit: or just dis/reconnect?
[09:12] <Pizbit> sparc64: Nah, just rmmod ipv6
[09:12] <Nonphasis> rapha, Martial arts supposedly "flow" like meditation, if you do got in the flow. dunno, never practiced any
[09:12] <rapha> Nonphasis: do you also do "meditative" things like some dumb work every now and then, just doing it and not thinking about anything?
[09:12] <socomm> mwh_, you mean have stock panel?
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: I did
[09:12] <Nonphasis> rapha, I walk, does the same thing
[09:12] <natea> anyone here know how to resolve fstab probs?
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: yea, cause im not sure why the gnome-panel is behaving like this
[09:12] <socomm> mwh_, try login out and then back in.
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: so I need to delete some files or something
[09:12] <sparc64> ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: I tried restarting my machine did not help
[09:13] <socomm> mwh_, if you want a stock panel delete your panels config files.
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: how
[09:13] <Pizbit> sparc64: Hrm, might need to bring down the network first then, reboot works too
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: which files is that?
[09:13] <Cuga_> sparc64, modprobe -r ipv6 first before rmmod
[09:13] <sparc64> Pizbit: disconnect before running that i guesS?
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: where are they?
[09:13] <socomm> mwh_, i think it's under .gnome or .gnome2
[09:13] <Nonphasis> rapha, but "walking in Zen" can be quite an explosion, I guess you get the same in M Arts
[09:13] <rapha> Nonphasis: it can very much flow indeed! The big thing is, you've really got to get rid of all your bad feelings, habits and what not in order to LET _it_ flow _trough_ you.  And what's success anyway?
[09:13] <natea> i can't even sudo -s because it says "read-only file system"!
[09:13] <daniels> postdrop: warning: uid=1026: File too large
[09:13] <daniels> sendmail: fatal: daniels(1026): Message file too big
[09:13] <daniels> /usr/sbin/sendmail failed (exit status 17664)
[09:13] <daniels> sending xorg log files considered harmful
[09:14] <socomm> .gnome2/panel2.d
[09:14] <umarmung> mwh_, run 'gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel' this will return to defaults
[09:14] <socomm> I believe that is it.
[09:14] <Nonphasis> rapha, yes, forcing success -> failure
[09:14] <Eno_> mozilla and mozilla-firefox says illegal instruction... won't start. any ideas?
[09:14] <mwh_> umarmung: good idea
[09:14] <Eno_> worked fine before
[09:14] <sparc64> ok brb.
[09:14] <rapha> (That isn't to say martial arts couldn't be practiced non-spiritually. A couple of friend of mine are definately doing it more as "martial sports" than as "martial arts", and they're making their third movie now)
[09:14] <Pizbit> Eno_: Are you on windows?:)
[09:14] <Eno_> hehe
[09:14] <Eno_> no
[09:14] <Pizbit> ...are you sure? *grin*
[09:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: how old are you if I may ask?
[09:14] <Eno_> i'm on ubuntu.. it worked fine this morning i think
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, I suppose 90% of the martial arts practice is non-spiritual, at leat
[09:15] <Pizbit> No idea heh, dead profile maybe? back in a bit
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, 27
[09:15] <mwh_> umarmung: didnt help :(
[09:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, it totally depends on the person doing the exercises.
[09:15] <umarmung> mwh_, gnome-session-properties and set gnome-panel from restart to normal
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, got into this "spiritual" bandwagon at 19 ;-)
[09:15] <mwh_> umarmung: it still crashes hard
[09:15] <umarmung> mwh_, and then kill it
[09:16] <rapha> Nonphasis: Mm, that's even a little later than me. This "christian opression" came when I was 16. But I guess there's a long way to be gone...
[09:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, what's the xian oppression, BTW? xians don't sound like people that directly oppress...
[09:17] <mwh_> umarmung: it still restarts when its killed
[09:17] <rapha> xians == christians?
[09:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, it's a voyage for life, the way it must be :)
[09:17] <umarmung> mwh_, do you have more than one gnome-panel in sessions?
[09:17] <daniels> guys, very, very offtopic.
[09:17] <daniels> please move it somewhere else.
[09:17] <Nonphasis> daniels, ok, sorry
[09:17] <Nonphasis> daniels, will stop now
[09:18] <mwh_> umarmung: oh I did not see
[09:18] <daniels> thanks
[09:18] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, s/oppression/evangelism I guess. Just a very rude and ... insisting way of trying to convert somebody to their religion/way of seeing life.
[09:18] <mwh_> umarmung: I have 6
[09:18] <umarmung> mwh_, :p
[09:18] <rapha> The fact I had something for one of their girls in the beginning didn't make it easier :)
[09:19] <Nonphasis> rapha, oh, yes, know the phenomenon. They can be pretty protective of their community, but I suppose it's the traditional cultist phenomenon
[09:20] <Nonphasis> but now I'll stop, per request :)
[09:20] <rapha> Unfortunate phenomenon.
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: I removed them all
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then started the panel again
[09:20] <sparc64> rapha: dones't seen to have worked...
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then I found 2 instances of them in the properties
[09:20] <rapha> Drives too many people to be totally ignorant of anything that lies beyond the obvious things :-(
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: removed one and set the other to normal
[09:20] <sparc64> rapha: xchat is showing 20sec lag :(
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then I could kill it without having it to respawn
[09:20] <rapha> sparc64: Hey, my dad's a philosopher! :-)
[09:20] <rapha> Oh.
[09:20] <rapha> Not related.
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: now its just like how the heck do I make it work again
[09:21] <sparc64> heh
[09:21] <mwh_> umarmung: I get the error gnome-panel unexpectedly died ...
[09:21] <rapha> sparc64: Well, the name server change would only help for finding an IP in the first place.
[09:21] <sparc64> how can i tell the speed of my connection?
[09:21] <will_> whats your favorite 'Download Manager' in Ubuntu?
[09:21] <rapha> sparc64: Download something with wget
[09:21] <sparc64> rapha: nah, i meant the ipv6 thing.
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: Hmm. Somebody else told you about that. No idea.
[09:22] <sparc64> rapha: can you give me a url for something to dl?
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: File a bug at bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[09:22] <umarmung> mwh_, set all panels from restart->normal, pkill gnome-panel and then start one! gnome-panel from a terminal and look for additional info/error messages
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: Out of the back of my head? Moment.
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.9.tar.bz2
[09:22] <sparc64> thanks.
[09:22] <rapha> np
[09:23] <rapha> (Linux also makes you a good memory :-) )
[09:23] <sparc64> yeah, resolving takes no time at all.
[09:23] <rapha> Wierd. Very wierd indeed.
[09:23] <sparc64> but after that, the paint drying world champs look appealing...
[09:23] <sparc64>  0% [                                     ]  4,344        676.74B/s ETA 14:53:11
[09:23] <rapha> Lol
[09:24] <rapha> Now wow, that's slow, even for kernel.org :-]
[09:24] <karevoll> how can I make 'ls -lR' show the full path of the file on each line?
[09:24] <rapha> Give it some minutes then look at it again sparc64
[09:24] <sparc64> welcome the the Internet cira 1985 ;)
[09:25] <sparc64> rapha: ok, so i configed my inet connection using gst...
[09:25] <sparc64> rapha: ok.
[09:25] <rapha> sparc64: What's gst?
[09:25] <mwh_> umarmung: .xsession-errors gives me this (gnome-panel:5009): Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting
[09:25] <sparc64> gnome-system-tools
[09:25] <epod> my wlan0 isn't picking up an ipv4 IP... can anyone help me set it up, or direct to the page for configuring ndiswrapper..? I've got it installed, and I know I've seen the page, but I can't for the life of me find it again
[09:25] <Pizbit> Government Services Tax
[09:25] <rapha> Nonphasis: what do you do for a living?
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, hack c++
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, mobile phone stuff, more specifically
[09:26] <rapha> Nonphasis: cool. Nokia?
[09:26] <drakonim> epod, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[09:26] <sparc64> rapha: lemme try using wvdial... brb...
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, almost. a subcontractor
[09:26] <rapha> sparc64: good luck
[09:26] <mwh_> umarmung: I just cleared that file and now it seems that no error is generated there .. the panel crashes horibly though
[09:26] <epod> drakonim, no, I have it installed.  I need to configure it, there is a wiki page on it, and I can't find it again.
[09:27] <drakonim> epod, ahh...  what kind of NIC is it?
[09:27] <Nonphasis> rapha, N phones, mostly. The new communicator and the PDA on slashdot frontpage has lots of my code :)
[09:27] <DAC1138> holy cow, more users here than in #suse
[09:27] <rapha> Nonphasis: Hmm. So you wouldn't be in a position to modify Nokia cellphones calendars to let you enter an event that is scheduled for a set of specified days every week, like "Mo-Fr, But not Sa/Su"?
[09:27] <drakonim> DAC1138, isnt it beutiful? ::sniff::
[09:28] <rapha> Nonphasis: PDA? Like, PDA with phone included?
[09:28] <DAC1138> drakonim, i'd like to try ubuntu, but suse is working fine.
[09:28] <Aard> there's #suse out there? is it an alternate channel to #bdsm?
[09:28] <Mithrandir> eller m jeg bygge en?
[09:28] <Mithrandir> #echan
[09:28] <Nonphasis> rapha, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/03/1257220&tid=215&tid=137&tid=100&tid=1
[09:28] <epod> drakonim, broadcom 802.11g, I have wlan0, it comes up and all, but I can't make it get an ip from my DHCP server
[09:28] <drakonim> DAC1138, big fan of the if it aint broke, dont fix it.
[09:28] <DAC1138> man, i wish i wouldve found ubuntu easlier
[09:28] <j^> DAC1138 use the livecd
[09:28] <will_> when i started coming in here, there was about 150 ppl on average!
[09:28] <drakonim> epod, what is your ssid?
[09:28] <will_> jesus!
[09:29] <epod> drakonim, essid? 'cservice'
[09:29] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. especially since i use a commercial X server that give me hell to install on debian systems (it doesnt work on any debian distro ive tried)
[09:29] <enabl> anyone know when 2.6.9 kernel will make it into the hoary repsitories
[09:29] <Nonphasis> rapha, I might be, I'll make a note - at least I occasionally sit at tables where such suggestions might be heard
[09:29] <mwh_> argh
[09:29] <drakonim> epod, yeah.. missed a key sorry... and does it show that in iwconfig?
[09:29] <mwh_> why does gnome-panel behave like this sigh
[09:29] <natea> which file system is best? ext3, reiserfs, ufs ?
[09:29] <drakonim> DAC1138, eew
[09:29] <umarmung> mwh_, can't think of anything else. You might wanna move ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf out of the way and try again, BUT this will remove all of your customization.
[09:30] <DAC1138> drakonim, does ubuntu support installing RPMs? and, is the placement of the X server and all its libraries and stuff the same as in redhat distros like suse and mandrake?
[09:30] <epod> drakonim, no, I seem to have connected to the restaurant across the street's unsecured ap
[09:30] <natea> epod, have you got a driver for the Broadcom wi-fi card?
[09:30] <drakonim> epod, thats your problem then
[09:30] <|Gaaruto|> hello
[09:30] <rapha> Nonphasis: it would be pretty useful: many people often have periodic apointments, but only at work. So if their mobile goes off at home, during the weekend that's very inconvenient so they won't use the mobile as an organizer at all.
[09:30] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. mepis was awsome also, i used it for about a week in 800x600 because of the xserver i couldnt install
[09:30] <Cuga_> natea, reiserfs is the best from that bunch, but i personally use XFS, stay away from ext3
[09:30] <rapha> (myself included, naturally ;) )
[09:30] <mwh_> umarmung: ill try creating another user and then see what happens
[09:30] <drakonim> epod, iwconfig essid cservice, then dhclient wlan0
[09:31] <natea> cuga_, why stay away from ext3?
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, what kind of horked up video chipset you have?
[09:31] <epod> drakonim, ok one sec
[09:31] <mjr> DAC1138, you don't really want to install proprietary driver rpms, though I've heard that people have had some success with that ;)
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, and no... they are different
[09:31] <Cuga_> natea, cause its slow and basically just ext2 with a journaling hack on it
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, although the answer to the rpm question is alien... but that wont really help you in this case.
[09:31] <DAC1138> mjr, the drivers i can build from source, but the server itself needs to be installed via rpm
[09:31] <natea> so would you recommend reiser if i'm installing a new system from scratch.
[09:31] <Nonphasis> rapha, ok. If I ever got an opportunity to plug that idea, I'll credit "rapha on #ubuntu" ;-)
[09:31] <housetier> natea, it only depends on what you need, I like ext3
[09:32] <natea> what are the advantages of XFS?
[09:32] <DAC1138> drakonim, its a long story. ive tried for a year (literally) to get it to work
[09:32] <housetier> natea, THATS the right question
[09:32] <drakonim> natea, being able to brag to other geeks
[09:32] <rapha> Nonphasis: cool :-)
[09:32] <rapha> Nonphasis: schwarzschmid.de ;-)
[09:32] <|Gaaruto|> is there kernel-source for <IP_ADDRESS> kernel on ubuntu ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> natea, reiser is supposedly more stable on linux than xfs
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, I need to input the key for the wireless network
[09:32] <housetier> natea, there is a site somehere on the 'net comparing the various filesystems
[09:32] <drakonim> epod, wep enabled?
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, yes
[09:32] <drakonim> epod, not wpa... wep.
[09:32] <Cuga_> natea, you'll have to read up, each fs has their own ups and downs, but overall their are 3 standouts.. XFS, Reiser, JFS (from what i've read aswell)
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, wep, yes
[09:33] <Nonphasis> rapha, ok. Stand by and wait for the royalty cheques ;-)
[09:33] <drakonim> epod, k havent done this with ubuntu yet.. check out the examples in 'man iwconfig'
[09:33] <epod> ok
[09:33] <epod> drakonim, ok, thanks. :)
[09:33] <rapha> Lol
[09:34] <natea> cuga_, Nonphasis, are there any compatibility issues if i go with ReiserFS?
[09:34] <drakonim> epod, looks like you will need the hex value of your wep string
[09:34] <drakonim> *key
[09:34] <rapha> Nonphasis: wasn't even my idea in the first place. Not sure where I've seen it though. Either Evolution or Outlook probably.
[09:34] <natea> i'm thinking for use with backup programs, or mounting the volumes from other OSes (such as OS X)
[09:34] <Nonphasis> rapha, incidentally, my page: http://www.students.tut.fi/~vainio24/
[09:35] <Nonphasis> rapha, ignore the "students", I'm at school te get cheap food & net account ;-)
[09:35] <Cuga_> natea, I'm not aware of any, i've been using XFS for 3 years and never came across something it couldn't do, but i know the same from people who run reiser, they are both solid
[09:35] <DAC1138> is ubuntu fast by default? no kernel tuning required?
[09:35] <rapha> As a matter of fact, I was just going to ask about it :)
[09:35] <DAC1138> i mean, compared to mandrake 10 and suse 9.1
[09:35] <Nonphasis> rapha, I know, it always irks poeple :)
[09:36] <natea> cuga, ok i think i'll go with ReiserFS for my / partition.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: ok, using wvdial works.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: most odd.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: i'm gonna try investigate and file a bug.
[09:36] <drakonim> DAC1138, its quick enough for me minus alot of tuning... just get the appropriate kernel and hdparm some goodness into your disks
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: thanks fr the help.
[09:36] <rapha> OOOOH! PHOTOS!
[09:36] <rapha> sparc64_: Well, you've helped yourself :)
[09:36] <epod> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:4B:65:3A:2D
[09:36] <epod>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:36] <epod> whee
[09:37] <Nonphasis> rapha, just one, but did an empy script for "them" anyway
[09:37] <DAC1138> drakonim, i always user hdparm. man, i better quit looking at ubuntu, i might end up wiping my disk
[09:37] <natea> has anyone here experienced freeze-ups using the latest warty installer on PPC machines (I have a G4 17" powerbook)
[09:37] <rapha> Well, one photo. But that hat does suit you, Nonphasis
[09:37] <Nonphasis> rapha, not too much space on the account
[09:37] <drakonim> DAC1138, lol you say that like its such a bad thing
[09:37] <rapha> Nonphasis: I can only recommend Gallery (gallery.sf.net)
[09:37] <rapha> Oh
[09:37] <DAC1138> drakonim, does it have good hotplug support? like if i plug in my wifi card, will it configure it automatically? and same with my usb pen drive?
[09:37] <rapha> Hmm
[09:37] <rapha> Too bad
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, just really curious... what evil video chipset you have?
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> KDE Works fine in Ubuntu!
[09:38] <DAC1138> drakonim, well, this is the first time ive actually had linux working, and i was just about to erase my windows partition and just go 100% linux, all with suse 9.1
[09:38] <natea> i'm wondering if the freeze-ups have anything to do with USB or Firewire devices that I have connected.
[09:38] <Nonphasis> rapha, hahah, I put the most ridiculous photo I could find there. excessive narcissism can be one's downfall :)
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, usb hotplug yes / confirmed... wifi depends on chipset, but yes its been excellent so far
[09:38] <DAC1138> drakonim, its an intel i810 855GM (82852) (mobile chipset)
[09:38] <rapha> Nonphasis: http://www.all-inkl.com give you some 500MB webspace for 1 or 5 ? per month, depending on what technology (PHP, ...) you want. Not sure if they'll also work for non-Germans though.
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, funy... i use an i845 and it works GREAT.
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, well, the wifi card is an atmel chipset, and its been supported since kernel 2.4.22
[09:39] <drakonim> DAC1138, yeah, that'd be fine.
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, like i said, its a long long story. its a gateway laptop
[09:39] <rapha> Nonphasis: you should've put a flower into the hat's orange ... thing.
[09:39] <Nonphasis> rapha, lol
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, hmmm........i need lots of backup space
[09:39] <natea> are there any known issues with USB devices freezing up the system?
[09:39] <drakonim> DAC1138, K i wont bug anymore aboot it.  your headed in the right direction making that windows partition disappear.. dont much care what distro you land with 8-)
[09:40] <rapha> "Object oriented programming (It's beautiful when you eventually "get it")." Hah! Hah! Hah! To. The. Point.
[09:40] <natea> i saw on the bugzilla that someone was having probs with his Zip drive. i also have a USB Zip drive which I unplugged, and still got the freeze-ups.
[09:40] <rapha> (I haven't...)
[09:40] <drakonim> natea, is there anything in /var/log/messages about the freeze?
[09:40] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. i only need windows for adobe premiere and adobe after effects, but im playing around with cinellera for linux. until i get used to it, im running windows in vmware just for video editing only
[09:41] <natea> actually, the Zip drive was connected via Firewire, not USB
[09:41] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, i posted on a linuxquestions.org forum about the chipset problem, it ended up being like a 20 page thread with no solution
[09:41] <natea> well, i'm reinstalling the OS right now, so I won't be able to post any msgs until I experience the freeze-up again.
[09:41] <drakonim> DAC1138, video editing in a virtual machine huh? youve either got one kick ass workstation, or alot of patients!
[09:41] <Nonphasis> rapha, OOP rocks. check out Python if you haven't yet
[09:41] <DAC1138> drakonim, a LOT of patience, lol
[09:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: And VIM is superior to Emacs!
[09:42] <Nonphasis> rapha, OOP in C++ rocks less, by far
[09:42] <natea> drakonim, what kind of messages should i be looking for?
[09:42] <Nonphasis> rapha, hah! Infidel
[09:42] <DAC1138> drakonim, im rendering this 400 fram animation. so far, ive let it run all day and all night for 2 weeks now and its only at fram 273 out of 400, talk about patience
[09:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, I do like Mono. Python doesn't sit with me, somehow. Missing all them braces.
[09:43] <drakonim> natea, anything about a hotplug error or somesuch just before the machine froze
[09:43] <DAC1138> why isnt there a USA mirror to download ubuntu?
[09:43] <drakonim> natea, also, on a fresh boot run 'dmesg' and look for errors
[09:43] <Nonphasis> rapha, try it for a day or two. Grokking the beauty of dynamic typing can be a really valuable experience
[09:43] <rapha> Nonphasis: But given that Ubuntu is going to focus on Python for all their custom developments, I guess I'll have to dive in. IN VIM ;-)
[09:43] <natea> drakonim, okay i guess i can grep for that in /var/log/messages ?
[09:43] <drakonim> DAC1138, becuase we have retarded exportation limitations
[09:43] <rapha> "Dynamic" typing? Eh?
[09:43] <rapha> Nonphasis: what do they mean by that?
[09:44] <drakonim> natea, yeah
[09:44] <natea> drakonim, i'll also do a "dmesg" after boot to see if there are any hints.
[09:44] <Nonphasis> rapha, a = getobject(); a.doStuff()
[09:44] <bash> I am bash
[09:44] <drakonim> hi bash
[09:44] <drakonim> i am not bash
[09:44] <Nonphasis> "I'm a Field Op"
[09:44] <rapha> Nonphasis: A matter of preference, is it not?
[09:44] <drakonim> DAC1138, thats a splatload of patience!
[09:45] <natea> another this that I noticed when booting up Ubuntu, is that there was a long delay on the "Starting hotplug subsystem" step.. is this normal?
[09:45] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, and im only using a laptop, 2.1 ghz, 768 mb ram
[09:45] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, it's a fundamental matter... think Smalltalk, Lisp, Python, Ruby vs. C++, Java, C#
[09:45] <drakonim> natea, a small delay is acceptable... its assigning unique IDS to the usb/fw devices at that point i think....
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, or at the very least probing the whole bus
[09:46] <Nonphasis> rapha, it took a while to "click" on me, having got used to static typing
[09:46] <natea> drakonim, so if I have a lot of USB/Firewire devices, that might explain why it's taking so long?
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, and if you have alot of devices out there... or slow ones, yes it will hang there for a little bit
[09:46] <Nonphasis> Life is dynamically typed :)
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, :-)
[09:46] <rapha> Hmm. "Underlying [...]  electromagnetic vibration". Do you really think it's electromagnetic, that "stuff". What about gravity and all that may unfold should we ever solve the mysteries about gravity?
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, maybe ill just dual boot linux/linux, suse 9.1 and ubuntu
[09:47] <natea> I have these USB devices: webcam, MIDI sound module, keyboard, mouse, Handspring cradle, Canon camera
[09:47] <drakonim> DAC1138, thats not "only" a laptop... its a pretty quick one... what sucks for virtual machining is your (probably)  5400rpm disk!
[09:47] <natea> and a Firewire Zip drive and External Lacie HD.
[09:47] <drakonim> DAC1138, there ya go.. and have a nice little partition to cross mount to share stuff :)
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, no, its only 4800RPM
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, and if all goes well, i can just wipe suse 9.1
[09:48] <drakonim> DAC1138, /me shudders thinking about vmware @ 4800rpm
[09:48] <DAC1138> lol. its actually pretty fast
[09:48] <Nonphasis> rapha, I was mostly concentrating on "raw matter", but I'm not sure whether gravity will be able to be non-electromagnetic
[09:48] <DAC1138> only thing is bootup and shutdowns are slow. using the virtual machine is pretty fast and responsive
[09:48] <DAC1138> drakonim, ive never dual booted linux distros before, so i dont know what im in for
[09:49] <drakonim> DAC1138, my vmware gets its own hdd (i need windows for a firewall client grrrrr) and its like having a kvm :-) that luxury is a bit easier on a full blown PC though..
[09:49] <natea> drakonim, i'm removing all but the kb/mouse to see if that makes a diff.
[09:49] <kman> yo all
[09:49] <rapha> Nonphasis: My hope is that gravity at it's core is a whole new thing, totally different from everything we believe to understand so far.
[09:49] <rapha> s/it's/its
[09:49] <drakonim> natea, your keyboard/moose usb also?
[09:50] <Kman> anyone here has problems accessing some files on a windows partition mount?
[09:50] <drakonim> rapha, s/it\'s/its  [dont get lazy.. that wouldnt work on someones solaris box]
[09:50] <Kman> some gnome programs seem to have problems with handling spaces in filepaths
[09:50] <drakonim> rapha, ;-)
[09:51] <Nonphasis> rapha, ATM it seems to be a "separate" thing, but it's still a part of the same " ultimate reality". I don't think it will be fundamentally separate
[09:51] <rapha> drakonim: Well, this is a chat, interpreted by so-called "human beings". I intend to challenge them a little ;-)
[09:51] <DAC1138> drakonim, should dual booting linux distros be the same as setting up a dual boot between windows? i mean with grub installing and all
[09:51] <natea> anyone else here using Ubuntu Linux on a 17" Powerbook?
[09:51] <rapha> Nonphasis: not separate. Just adding to the diversity (that, in the end, makes up the university).
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, yeah its not that evil... makes it easier if you use some filesystem that the other distro doesnt support
[09:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, universe, I assume ;-)
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, youve got suse?
[09:52] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, 9.1
[09:52] <natea> The screen resolution doesn't seem to be configured correctly. i went to Screen Resolution prefs and it was already at the Max of 1400 x 1050,
[09:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: In correct English, yes. But DIversity, UNIversity, kind of fits ;-)
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, so use something super odd like xfs or jfs
[09:52] <natea> but this leaves black edges on the left and right of the screen, and at the top and bottom the icons go off the screen.
[09:53] <DAC1138> does ubuntu support jfs or xfs?
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, xfs definately
[09:53] <Nonphasis> rapha, yes, but University -> hell of a lot of negative connotations (school, blah blah)
[09:53] <DAC1138> drakonim, i think suse 9.1 is using reiser, can i use ext3 with ubuntu?
[09:53] <rapha> Nonphasis: Oh. Sorry for that ;-)
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, i think jfs is in here too...hang ill check
[09:53] <nosilver4u> natea: adjust your monitor
[09:53] <rapha> All those temptations...
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, you can use anything you want....
[09:53] <natea> nosilver4u, it's an internal laptop monitor so i don't think it's possible to adjust manually.
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, but usign something the other doesnt support is kinda cheating yourway into automatically hdiing the other OS
[09:53] <nosilver4u> ah, weirdness then
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, you just need to make sure your grub has a stage 2 for whatever filesystem you use.
[09:54] <Kman> when someone opens an mp3 file on a windows parition mount, and the path to the file has spaces in it, and rythmbox/totem gives 'cannot find file' errors, is it a gnome or ubuntu problem? ('cause mandrake didn't have this, but that was an older gnome version)
[09:54] <Nonphasis> rapha, yep, conventions suck but the "language" one can be helpful. Esp. if you are drinking, which I am at the moment (impending Halloween party)
[09:54] <DAC1138> drakonim, what do you mean stage 2?
[09:54] <nosilver4u> most normally you'd want to keep the default resolution, cause laptop lcd's aren't designed to support other resolutions very well
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, look in /boot/grub
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, acutally... stage 1.5
[09:54] <rapha> Nonphasis: SKOL!
[09:55] <Nonphasis> rapha, skol. enjoy the wasser, I've spiked my mineral vater w/ Vodka
[09:55] <natea> nosilver4u, well i haven't changed the resolution but left it at the default. it doesn't seem possible to change it to eliminate the black lines on left/right.
[09:56] <DAC1138> drakonim, i think what ill do is just try installing it via vmware, then try to install the xserver, and see if X will even start up in the vmware, rather than risking my suse 9.1 distro
[09:56] <rapha> Nonphasis: so what is a good-looking, 27-year-old, successful computer programmer (and deeply spiritual being) like you sitting alone in front of a black (or grey) box on a beautieful Wednesday evening like this one?
[09:56] <nosilver4u> you've got a laptop with default 1400x1050? that's a huge laptop
[09:56] <drakonim> DAC1138, not only will it work... but it will be accellerated X ;-)
[09:57] <rapha> nosilver4u: They're not uncommon anymore these days.
[09:57] <natea> is it advised to choose the "download updates from the internet" step when installing Ubuntu the first time?
[09:57] <drakonim> DAC1138, ubuntu comes with a nice vmware X driver
[09:57] <drakonim> natea, yes
[09:57] <natea> i'm wondering if it's installing some bleeding edge updates that haven't fully been tested on PPC machines.
[09:57] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, that's what im using, the XiG accelerated x server
[09:57] <drakonim> natea, i would advise it
[09:57] <Cuga_> drakonim, you've gotten vmware to work in ubuntu?
[09:57] <DAC1138> well, forget vmware, ill just get rid of that windows partition
[09:57] <rapha> drakonim: Do you know where that setting is stored in the later-installed system?
[09:57] <Nonphasis> rapha, actually, there was no definite plans but I felt attending a Halloween party would be fun - and the stress at work wos enough to warrant getting slightly drunk
[09:57] <rapha> DAC1138: That's the spirit! :-)
[09:58] <drakonim> Cuga_ workstation 3.0.0
[09:58] <rapha> Nonphasis: But sitting at a Halloween party with a computer...? :-)
[09:58] <Cuga_> drakonim, ugah lol tryed the 4.x yet?
[09:58] <natea> drakonim, ok, i am running the mega update right now.
[09:58] <drakonim> rapha, what setting?
[09:58] <ztonzy> evening!
[09:58] <drakonim> Cuga_ nah, i have a license for 3
[09:58] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, it didn't start yet. I'll hit the road in a few minutes
[09:58] <epod> whee, I have wifi on boot up
[09:59] <rapha> drakonim: the "update from internet" setting.,
[09:59] <drakonim> Cuga_ companies too cheap to buy the new one :-(
[09:59] <epod> now... is there any sort of GUI frontend for configuring my wireless I can get? :D
[09:59] <Cuga_> drakonim, well if it does the trick
[09:59] <ztonzy> anyone knows where apache2's dir where I can put my files to show as own webserver ?
[09:59] <Cuga_> drakonim, did you have to apply any kernel patches?
[09:59] <drakonim> rapha, apt-setup
[09:59] <epod> drakonim, thanks for the help, my system is happily online
[09:59] <rapha> Nonphasis: Oh, okay. So, you're still looking for the girl of your dreams, or is she going to go to that party with you?
[09:59] <rapha> Thanks drakonim.
[09:59] <Nonphasis> rapha, answer B
[09:59] <drakonim> Cuga_, vmware patches from their support group
[09:59] <drakonim> rapha, np
[09:59] <drakonim> epod, no problem, glad to help!
[10:00] <rapha> Nonphasis: Happy to hear so!
[10:00] <natea> i can see that Ubuntu detects my Airport card (aka Broadcom BCM94306), but doesn't configure it. are there drivers available for this card yet?
[10:00] <epod> drakonim, do you know of any graphical frontend for configuring this stuff, so I don't need to go to terminal if I change networks?
[10:00] <cbredeson> does anyone here have cgi working with Apache2 on Ubuntu?
[10:00] <Nonphasis> rapha, yeah, I'm not as lonely & miserable a bastard as one might be tempted to think ;-)
[10:00] <rapha> I wasn'T
[10:01] <Nonphasis> rapha, j/k
[10:01] <rapha> Just the sitting-at-the-computer at this time confused me a little ;-)
[10:01] <drakonim> epod, COMPUTER:SYSTEM_CONFIG:NETWORKING
[10:01] <Kman> how does one install a custom .deb package?
[10:01] <rapha> Well, but then I'm sitting at a computer at this very time, too.
[10:01] <rapha> With my Beloved some 30km's away :-/
[10:02] <drakonim> Kman, dpkg -i somepackage.deb
[10:02] <DAC1138> drakonim, does ununtu have some special GUI for configuring the system? like mandrake control center or Yast or something?
[10:02] <Kman> drakonim, thx
[10:02] <Nonphasis> rapha, well, the comp is the place to be then. Not that it weren't even w/ the beloved w/in 4m radius...
[10:02] <natea> DAC1138, see drakonim's post 5 lines above yours.
[10:02] <Nonphasis> rapha, the nerd power has to live on, g/f or no ;-)
[10:02] <drakonim> DAC1138, there is no central kidn of thing like yast.... there all split up into gnome utilites and synaptic and such...
[10:03] <Kman> but they're better written than mandrake's
[10:03] <natea> DAC1138, Computer -> System Config
[10:03] <Kman> mandrake's custom configtools can break a slightly modified system
[10:03] <rapha> Nonphasis: fool! Go and kiss her!
[10:04] <drakonim> DAC1138, YAST is SuSE's one redeaming feature, its also its greatest weakness.
[10:04] <Nonphasis> rapha, we'll see, it's a *public* place & all ;-)
[10:05] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, the Halloween party is, right? But not where you're now...
[10:05] <drakonim> DAC1138, make one or two modifications directly to some important start scripts or some such on your machine, and yast has a stroke..
[10:05] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, i was just seeing if there was something similar to yast for ubuntu, becaus mepis has one
[10:05] <drakonim> DAC1138, nah, its really not necessary with all the fun little gui's in systemconfig though.
[10:05] <natea> epod, do you have a Broadcom BCM94306 wireless card?
[10:06] <Kman> does anyone here have a windows partition mounted in ubuntu?
[10:06] <Kman> (vfat)
[10:06] <Nonphasis> rapha, ah, yes - she isn't here ATM, but w/ some of her girlfriends. And even if she were, if I suddenly went out and kissed here - she would think I had been browsing pr0n, which is undesirable :)
[10:06] <drakonim> Kman, not presently.. but it could be arrainged
[10:06] <drakonim> Kman, what is the issue?
[10:07] <epod> natea, it's a broadcom something
[10:07] <Kman> drakonim, I've got one mounted, and works pretty well.. only some gnome apps don't seem to like filepaths with spaces in them
[10:07] <Nonphasis> rapha, speaking of which, it appears I need to hit the road
[10:07] <natea> epod, are you using a Mac?
[10:07] <epod> natea, no, PC
[10:07] <rapha> Nonphasis: Have a good evening!
[10:07] <Nonphasis> rapha, nice speaking to a comrade in spirituality
[10:07] <drakonim> Kman, thats not a vfat thing... its a spaces in filenames in unix suck thing.
[10:08] <natea> epod, what model number does Device Manager tell you?
[10:08] <rapha> Hihi... typical for a "comrade in spirituality" to disconnect so fast.
[10:08] <epod> natea, BCM94306
[10:08] <DAC1138> ok, well, while ubuntu downloads, im going to play a game. ill be back if all goes well
[10:08] <natea> epod, that's the same one that I have.
[10:08] <DAC1138> cya guys later
[10:08] <natea> epod, did you get it to work with Ubuntu?
[10:08] <epod> natea, works with bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys
[10:08] <Kman> drakonim, k.. xmms works fine btw with all them files.. and in mandrake I didn't have any problems with the said gnomeapps ether.. so who's to blame, gnome or ubuntu
[10:09] <epod> natea, I'm online right now with it
[10:09] <drakonim> Kman, ahh... probly rhythmbox then
[10:09] <natea> epod, are there any instructions for how to install and configure the driver?
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, are you using a ppc (macintosh) ?
[10:09] <natea> drakonim, yes.
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, ndiswrapper wont help you
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, totally different architecture
[10:10] <natea> drakonim, darn.. too bad.
[10:10] <rapha> Anyway, I'm also going to go offline
[10:10] <drakonim> natea, sorry.. but at least youv'e just been saved some time wasting :-P
[10:10] <natea> i heard that there is a reverse-engineering project for the Broadcom cards.
[10:10] <rapha> See y'all later
[10:10] <epod> can anyone help me with my Palm Pilot and USB hotsync cradle? I don't have /dev/pilot
[10:10] <drakonim> natea, yeah, they are evil and refuse to release hardware specs.
[10:10] <paulproteus> natea: I hear the Linux WRT54G GPLware code might be of some use.
[10:11] <natea> paulproteus, do they have a usable driver?
[10:11] <sjoerd> paulproteus: the broadcom driver is binary only
[10:11] <drakonim> paulproteus, really? the driver included on the wrt's are closed.. thats interesting!
[10:11] <paulproteus> sjoerd: Even in the Linksys source release?  Drat, I didn't know that.
[10:12] <drakonim> paulproteus, they only release the gpl stuff they touch.. they dont have to release non GPL software they use WITH their code, as a matter of fact, they would probly violate some N.D.A. with broadcom if they did.
[10:13] <drakonim> probly read "definately"
[10:14] <epod> how come totem-xine threatens to deinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[10:15] <linux_mafia> because ubuntu-desktop has totem-gstreamer as a depend
[10:15] <epod> ahh
[10:15] <drakonim> Kman, i've been having a few issues with rhythmbox myself.. it wont get my whole library sucked in for some reason... been debugging the issue in my spare time.. easy fix for you is to rename your files white spaces with underscores or something
[10:16] <epod> and I don't want to deinstall ubuntu-desktop, do I?
[10:16] <vizvayu> Hi! I need some help... I managed to setup samba/winbind/pam for domain authentication. wbinfo says everything is ok (-u, -g, -t, -a) but still can't login to the system... it seems there's a problem with login restrictions, but I don't know where to look. login.defs seems ok, same as all the pam.d/ configuration files... any hint somebody??
[10:16] <drakonim> epod, would make for a very lightweight install lol
[10:16] <linux_mafia> epod, its only a meta-package, uninstall it if you want, i did
[10:16] <drakonim> vizvayu, anything interesting logged about the failure?
[10:17] <epod> linux_mafia, hm, k.
[10:17] <vizvayu> ups... it seems I forgot too watch the logs :)))))))) let me see...
[10:17] <drakonim> vizvayu, :-P
[10:18] <epod> Can anyone help me or direct me to where I can figure out how to set up my usb hotsync for my palm? I seem to lack a /dev/pilot device
[10:18] <drakonim> linux_mafia, hrmph, diddnt catch that!
[10:18] <linux_mafia> epod, if you want to watch dvds or restricted formats you *need* totem-xine, if this does not apply to you, then leave alone
[10:18] <linux_mafia> drakonim, catch what?
[10:18] <epod> linux_mafia, I want to watch DVDs, yes
[10:18] <drakonim> linux_mafia, that it was a meta package
[10:18] <linux_mafia> drakonim, oh, ok
[10:19] <drakonim> drakonim, thought it was gonna yoink all his dependencies lol
[10:19] <linux_mafia> drakonim, talking to yourself now too, lol
[10:19] <drakonim> linux_mafia, wouldnt be the first time LOLOL
[10:21] <vizvayu> no, there's nothing on the logs... when I try to login (using gdm) it says that the administrator has disabled my account
[10:21] <drakonim> epod, /dev/pilot should be a symbolic link to your serial device that the cradle is attatched to.
[10:21] <epod> drakonim, mine is USB
[10:21] <epod> drakonim, and not coming up in /dev/sd-anything
[10:21] <drakonim> epod, universal SERIAL bus.   ttyUSB0
[10:22] <epod> ok thanks
[10:22] <epod> I will try that
[10:22] <drakonim> ;-)
[10:22] <drakonim> kewl  make sure you have permissions to write to the device too
[10:22] <rfetech> What is best way to boot into run level 2 as default instead of GUI and then be able use startx for GUI?
[10:22] <drakonim> vizvayu, you have your daemons running with a debug flag?
[10:23] <|trey|> rfetech, On Debian based systems, rl 2-5 are the same... you would simple set /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager to "NONE"
[10:23] <vizvayu> drakonim, which daemon? winbind is working OK
[10:23] <rfetech> Thanks trey, I'll give it a try.
[10:23] <natea> drakonim, i had another freeze-up but this time didn't have to reboot as the system recovered.
[10:23] <epod> drakonim, sweet, it works :)
[10:23] <|trey|> rfetech, so 'echo NONE > /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'
[10:24] <drakonim> epod, :)
[10:24] <natea> do you want to see something interesting from the /var/log/messages ?
[10:24] <drakonim> natea, probly one of your devices being wierd then
[10:24] <rfetech> trey, thanks
[10:24] <will_> where is the xf86config file located? i need to change default res on boot
[10:24] <drakonim> vizvayu, no its not... you cant authenticate lol
[10:24] <drakonim> will_, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:24] <vizvayu> drakonim, I'll try that ok :)
[10:24] <natea> drakonim, pwc Failed to set LED on/off time.
[10:25] <natea> drakonim, drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
[10:25] <|trey|> rfetech, you're welcome... also investigate rcconf for simular tasks, nice ncurses interface for editing services  :)
[10:26] <drakonim> natea, thats one of your kernel modules complaining about that particular devices blinky lights...
[10:26] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[10:26] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , hey
[10:26] <natea> drakonim, could either be the webcam or the midi module, both of which have lights.
[10:26] <blackdog> hi does anyone know how to enable File Send Link on warty firefox
[10:27] <[Phaedrus] > hey |trey|
[10:27] <drakonim> probly the midi... its in meida
[10:27] <natea> drakonim, can i tell Ubuntu to ignore that device so that I don't have to disconnect it everytime i boot up Linux?
[10:27] <epod> If I install k3b, is it going to install KDE or something silly?
[10:27] <epod> *using synaptic
[10:27] <drakonim> natea, yes hang on i need to remember how
[10:27] <GnuHippy> kde is messed for me infact all KDE apps won't load and give me tons of errors
[10:28] <drakonim> natea, it needs to get blacklisted
[10:28] <natea> ok, how does one go about blacklisting a device?
[10:29] <drakonim> natea, trying to remember... ubuntu doesnt use discover i dont think.... hang a minute... my paying job is looking for me LOL
[10:29] <|trey|> natea, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:30] <linux_mafia> yay finally got bloody lm-sensors working
[10:31] <linux_mafia> |trey|, the services module of the gnome-system-tools is in hoary now
[10:32] <linux_mafia> |trey|, not exactly the same as a gtk fe for rcconf, but its pretty good
[10:32] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I know, I just noticed that after saying about rcconf... also a Disk Management tool... not entirely sure what that is though...
[10:32] <natea> |trey|, thanks. i can see in the /var/log/messages that some device is already blacklisted: input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted
[10:33] <Telep> Anyone getting a "CRITICAL" error message concerning "eggdesktopentries.c" occasionally when installing some gnome packages with apt-get or Synaptic?
[10:33] <linux_mafia> |trey|, lets you turn dma on/off, format drive, change mount point, view general info about a drive
[10:33] <|trey|> natea, if you look in the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file, or /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d you would likely see all those there...
[10:33] <ogra> Telep: not on warty
[10:34] <linux_mafia> Telep, i am, but im on hoary
[10:34] <linux_mafia> |trey|, you using beagle?
[10:34] <Telep> ogra: I'm running Hoary, but I had the same error on Warty the other day (I'm pretty sure, anyway :D)
[10:34] <|trey|> Telep, I think everyone is currently, someone tried to tell me its related to mplayer...
[10:35] <|trey|> linux_mafia, nope  :(
[10:35] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle? i will ask this till im blue in the face, i cant be the only one
[10:35] <|trey|> (on a side note, mplayer isn't letting me view my pr0n, this is unacceptable  ;)
[10:35] <lupus_> is there a package for beagle?
[10:36] <natea> |trey|, how do find out the name of the offending device?
[10:36] <|trey|> lupus_, see for yourself... apt-cache search beagle
[10:36] <shaver> whois lupus_
[10:36] <linux_mafia> lupus_, no, requires cvs tomfoolery, and kernel recompilation
[10:36] <GnuHippy> |trey| why wont it let you view your pr0n?
[10:36] <lupus_> and is the kernel in hoary using the inotify patch
[10:36] <lupus_> ?
[10:36] <|trey|> GnuHippy, dunno... just won't run files that worked prior to the last upgrade  :(
[10:36] <Kirsch_> is it possible to have gimp be 1 window? as apposed to 1 + Amount of documents opened?
[10:36] <wannes> Kirsch: NO
[10:36] <wannes> woeps
[10:36] <wannes> no :)
[10:36] <|trey|> natea, I thought you would know that part  :(
[10:37] <Kirsch_> lol
[10:37] <linux_mafia> lupus_, not that hard to get going though, if you can follow instructions its easy, there is a wiki page
[10:37] <Kirsch_> That sucks...
[10:37] <|trey|> Kirsch, nope... minimum of 2...
[10:37] <GnuHippy> is there anything out there better than the gimp more like Photoshop?
[10:37] <natea> |trey|, well, it's not immediately obvious what the device is known as to Linux.
[10:37] <lupus_> kernel recompilation is not really an option
[10:37] <linux_mafia> GnuHippy, photoshop is more like photoshop
[10:37] <lupus_> I rather see the kernel in hoary using the inotify patch :)
[10:37] <linux_mafia> lupus_, why not?
[10:37] <GnuHippy> Captain Obvious
[10:38] <|trey|> GnuHippy, not really... inkscape is one interface, but nothing has the features of the GIMP
[10:38] <lupus_> since it will be in there in 6 months anyway
[10:38] <GnuHippy> inkscape is vector drawing
[10:38] <linux_mafia> lupus_, sweet, wait 6 months then, i want to try shit out "now" heh
[10:39] <shaver> hrm
[10:39] <|trey|> natea, I dunno man, what was the conflict? I just saw the questions about how to blacklist  :(
[10:39] <shaver> starting the hotplug subsystem takes a while
[10:39] <lupus_> linux_mafia, hoary is for trying shit out now :p
[10:39] <shaver> and it can't access my hardware clock, alas
[10:39] <linux_mafia> lupus_, yeah, im using that too
[10:39] <drakonim> alright yall... im out.  peace!
[10:39] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I know, but yeah, I was mainly pointing at the single interface for it... nothing beats GIMP for me though, not even Photoshop...
[10:40] <GnuHippy> I can't use it
[10:40] <GnuHippy> it is too unintuitive
[10:40] <lupus_> it is already using some gnome 2.9 stuff :)
[10:40] <natea> |trey| the message in /var/log/messages is:
[10:40] <natea>  pwc Failed to set LED on/off time.
[10:40] <|trey|> GnuHippy, tip: google "what_you_want_to_do gimp"
[10:40] <natea>  drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
[10:40] <GnuHippy> you can't do layer effects
[10:41] <Cuga_> GnuHippy, haha what a name :)
[10:41] <Cuga_> i like it
[10:41] <Telep> |trey|: my gf recommends you go jogging or get a fair trade banana ;)
[10:41] <|trey|> natea, sorry man, no idea  :(
[10:41] <natea> ok, thanks anyways.
[10:41] <|trey|> Telep, your gf just wants to follow me there  ;)
[10:42] <linux_mafia> lupus_, i think it will take robert loves patch a while to get into the kernel proper
[10:42] <|trey|> Telep, I am pleanty in shape, and OPP's seem to like me a lot  :P
[10:42] <zero> I love the distro, its like sex! Question, ive installed it and everything, but it was the root passwrd im entering is wrong... whats an easy way to change the root pass?
[10:42] <lupus_> linux_mafia, ubuntu does not use vanilla kernel :)
[10:43] <Kal_Zakath> zero : use the pass that you set for your user
[10:43] <zero> yea its not working
[10:43] <Kal_Zakath> when does it occurs ?
[10:43] <zul> zero: sudo su -
[10:43] <linux_mafia> lupus_, granted, but it seems only suse is putting out inotify kernels so far
[10:44] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:44] <ztonzy> how do one know if you have a firewall running on Ubuntu ?
[10:44] <zero> hmm it works with 'sudo su'
[10:44] <zero> but not su
[10:44] <|trey|> Telep, me: http://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=PiMpN (ignore the username though, gift, its a paid account for free)
[10:45] <zero> thanks :)
[10:45] <epod> for installing java, with java-package from multiverse, do I want j2re or j2sdk? (I don't see jdk)
[10:45] <lupus_> linux_mafia, fedora 3 also I think since they are switching from fam to gamin
[10:45] <|trey|> Telep, looks more like me, you can't see it though: http://www.facethejury.com/images/photos/Pi/Pimpn-2061453.jpg
[10:45] <epod> ack gotta go on-site
[10:46] <linux_mafia> |trey|, is that you?
[10:46] <|trey|> linux_mafia, yeah  :)
[10:46] <Telep> |trey|: ok :D
[10:47] <linux_mafia> |trey|, what a wigger ;)
[10:47] <|trey|> linux_mafia, hahahaha... you'd be surprised how much I hear that  ;)
[10:47] <linux_mafia> |trey|, me too
[10:47] <Telep> |trey|: my gf wants to know if that light is coming _through_ your ear?
[10:47] <GnuHippy> you dont have a gf
[10:47] <ztonzy> anyone ?
[10:47] <GnuHippy> you mean your right hand?
[10:47] <linux_mafia> light? probably got tunnel piercings
[10:47] <shaver> what's the ubuntu equivalent of chkconfig?
[10:48] <shaver> for controlling service startup
[10:48] <|trey|> Telep, haha... thats a photoshop... the real version is below... its just to fit for with the 'PiMpN' name  :)
[10:48] <linux_mafia> shaver, not ubuntu, debian, update-rc.d
[10:48] <Telep> heh
[10:48] <Jaramin> I'm having problems with metacity, apt-get gives me "failed to open /etc/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas". I checked, and the file isn't there. How do I get this file, from what package does it usually come from?
[10:48] <shaver> there is no debian, only ubuntu
[10:49] <|trey|> shaver, imo, that may not be far from the truth in a few years  :)
[10:49] <mjr> well, that's true for me now, with amd64 :P
[10:49] <shaver> update-rc.d doesn't list the known services
[10:49] <shaver> mjr: ditto
[10:49] <seb128> Jaramin: you can probably find it in /usr/share/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas
[10:49] <edwood> hi
[10:50] <|trey|> shaver, apt-get install rcconf or Computer > System Configuration > Services.
[10:50] <mjr> (still, I don't think Debian's going anywhere, and neither should it)
[10:50] <Jaramin> shaver: k, I'll check
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: I don't have > Services there
[10:50] <linux_mafia> |trey|, check my wigger styles, more "intelligent thug" type shit: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/maxb
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: that's what I looked for =/
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: what package is that?
[10:50] <|trey|> mjr, I dunno, all the drama right now to do with a release...
[10:50] <FreddyF> is it true there is no alsaconf in ubuntu?
[10:51] <Striss> hey guys...I'm running Ubuntu PPC and I installed Java from the Synaptic Package Manager with the free-java-sdk package, how do I get java to work inside Firefox now?
[10:51] <|trey|> shaver, is what?
[10:51] <shaver> |trey|: the > Services tool
[10:51] <mjr> Striss, you pretty much don't with that
[10:51] <|trey|> linux_mafia, haha.. you definatly fit the mafia look well  ;)
[10:51] <|trey|> shaver, gnome-system-tools
[10:51] <shaver> K
[10:51] <Striss> mjr, oh...is there any way I can get java working inside firefox on ppc?
[10:51] <mjr> Striss, the free Java stuff isn't up to running applets
[10:52] <FreddyF> how do i get my sound working if there is no alsaconf?
[10:52] <mjr> (at least those requireing GUIs ;)
[10:52] <shaver> gnome-system-tools is already the newest version.
[10:52] <Striss> i see...so is there any solution for me?
[10:52] <bratsche> Is there any idea when an updated Firefox package will be released for Ubuntu?  The 0.9.3 package is almost unusable.
[10:52] <shaver> bratsche: with Hoary
[10:52] <shaver> bratsche: though I think I'll rebuild with 1.0 on the 9th
[10:52] <bratsche> Is there an estimated release date?
[10:52] <shaver> once I figure out how to do that
[10:52] <bratsche> Okay.
[10:52] <Striss> Is there a guide available on how to upgrade Warty to Hoary?
[10:52] <|trey|> Striss, You can use java-package to package sun's java... or blackdown java... or pay www.apt-get.org a visit and get a premade .deb  :)
[10:53] <GnuHippy> when will hoary be stable enough for everyday use?
[10:53] <Striss> |trey|, ok thanks
[10:53] <Cuga_> bratsche, how is .9.3 unuable?
[10:53] <Cuga_> *unusable
[10:53] <|trey|> Striss, heres the guide: change 'warty' in sources.list to 'hoary', sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:53] <bratsche> Cuga_: It crashes almost every time I try to type into a text entry.  For example, the Google bar at the top.  Or when I go to the actual Google page and try to type into the text entry.
[10:53] <|trey|> I don't recommend you do it though, or something  :)
[10:53] <Striss> |trey|, ah easy enuf, thankyou
[10:53] <FreddyF> so... how do i get my sound to work....? there seems to be no alsaconf
[10:54] <Cuga_> thats not a problem with firefox, theres something wrong on your machine then
[10:54] <Striss> yeah i know I shouldn't do it...everything is working fine in Warty...but i just have that horrible urge to upgrade upgrade upgrade
[10:54] <bratsche> I've found that if I go to www.google.com and click outside the text box to remove the focus, then click back into it and type, I have a much higher chance of Firefox not crashing.  But it still does sometimes then.
[10:54] <GnuHippy> /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[10:54] <Striss> is anybody here actually using Hoary?
[10:54] <shaver> that's a bug fixed post 1.0RC
[10:54] <GnuHippy> or sudo alsaconf
[10:54] <|trey|> Striss, *cough*Iam*cough*
[10:54] <bratsche> Cuga_: I'm using the default Ubuntu on amd64.
[10:54] <Striss> that's enuf for me
[10:54] <Cuga_> i have no issues at all with firefox 0.9.3 with tons of extensions, only thing i dont like about .9.x is the broken updater
[10:54] <Striss> guess I'm gonna try it out
[10:55] <Telep> Striss: I am
[10:55] <FreddyF> /usr/sbin/alsaconf <- no such file/dir
[10:55] <bratsche> So possibly it has to do with the amd64 build of it?
[10:55] <|trey|> Striss, I'd wait now till Xorg gets in... will be only a few days..
[10:55] <shaver> bratsche: yeah, 0.9.3 had lots of amd64 badness =/
[10:55] <bratsche> shaver: Oh, okay.  That's fixed in later releases?
[10:55] <|trey|> Striss, I upgraded to hoary last weekend... Xorg will apparently be painful for a while though...
[10:56] <Cuga_> bratsche, yeah shaver is right, i remember reading bout some of those problems, sorry I didn't know you were on 64
[10:56] <shaver> bratsche: yeah, a lot of amd64 stuff is better in 1.0RC and upcoming 1.0
[10:56] <bratsche> cuga_: I didn't bother to tell you originally.  I didn't realize at first that it may be the problem. =)
[10:56] <bratsche> shaver: Okay, cool enough.  I'll shut up and wait for the next release then. =)
[10:56] <lev> anyone running vsftpd here?
[10:57] <bratsche> The only other thing bothering me is that I can't seem to get Evolution/spamd to filter my spam.
[10:57] <Striss> should I close all my apps that are open while i do this update?
[10:57] <bratsche> But someone said that's a common problem right now too.
[10:57] <|trey|> Striss, not important...
[10:57] <lev> i have a set of users that can login and a set that can't -- I'm having trouble figuring out why vsftpd is discriminating between the two sets...
[10:57] <Striss> k
[10:57] <|trey|> Striss, definatly advice restarting when its done though  ;)
[10:57] <|trey|> advise*
[10:57] <Striss> ok
[10:58] <Striss> i hope i don't regret this in about 20 minutes
[10:58] <FreddyF> anyone? how do i get my sound working
[10:58] <Cuga_> lev, check what groups that the users that can log in are a part of and see if the ones who can't might be excluded from like a 'ftpers' group ... be a good place to start, not sure thos
[10:58] <shaver> I wonder why I don't have system-tools services stuff working here
[10:58] <|trey|> Striss, I haven't had any issues that weren't self inflicted, so you should be fine  :)
[10:58] <Striss> hehe ok
[10:59] <|trey|> Striss, ahh, other then Evolution... its horribly broken... just to let you know...
[10:59] <Striss> I don't use Evolution so that's ok
[10:59] <lev> Cuga_: can you suggest where to look for that? I've checked /etc/ftpusers and /etc/vsftpd.conf...
[10:59] <Striss> wow I'm getting 500kbs from apt, excellent
[10:59] <Striss> the upgrade is in the process now
[10:59] <lev> Cuga_: /etc/pam.d/vsftpd refers back to /etc/ftpusers, too...
[10:59] <GnuHippy> what are you upgrading to striss?
[10:59] <GnuHippy> hoary?
[10:59] <FreddyF> How do I get my sound working?
[10:59] <Striss> Hoary
[11:00] <GnuHippy> good luck with that
[11:00] <Striss> i'm on PPC, hope all goes well
[11:00] <Striss> thanks
[11:00] <shaver> dammit
[11:00] <GnuHippy> be prepared to reformat
[11:00] <|trey|> Striss, If I don't get that, I am disappointed... I've been spoiled by Debian servers  :)
[11:00] <Striss> hehe
[11:00] <shaver> |trey|: what program is run by computer->system tools->services?
[11:00] <shaver> |trey|: can you check for me?
[11:00] <Striss> GnuHippy, why do you say that?
[11:00] <Cuga_> lev, i'd cat /etc/group and look at the groups that users that can login fin, and those who can't see if you see a pattern
[11:00] <shaver> I have gnome-system-tools installed, but nothing in the menus
[11:00] <shaver> about Services
[11:00] <shaver> though, hmm
[11:00] <GnuHippy> I have tried it twice in the past week and have had nothing but problems
[11:00] <paulproteus> lev: Check also for an /etc/vsftpd.conf .  And/or read its man page. ;)
[11:00] <wannes> shaver: boot-admin
[11:00] <GnuHippy> there are a ton of bugs
[11:01] <|trey|> shaver, says "gksudo services-admin"... could be new to GNOME 2.9 though?
[11:01] <wannes> "gksudo boot-admin" actually
[11:01] <Striss> GnuHippy, really? any major ones?
[11:01] <shaver> |trey|: oh, are you not on warty?
[11:01] <GnuHippy> Synaptic doesn't work
[11:01] <GnuHippy> openoffice
[11:01] <lev> paulproteus: I read the man for that -- I've read the file, too. :-)
[11:01] <|trey|> shaver, nope... hoary..
[11:01] <shaver> ah
[11:01] <Striss> well, i barely ever use synaptic
[11:01] <Cuga_> FreddyF, what sound card do you have?
[11:01] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I just used Synaptic?
[11:01] <lev> Cuga_: the entries in /etc/group look quite similar -- no significant difference.
[11:01] <FreddyF> VIA
[11:01] <Telep> hmm, Synaptic's working fine with me on Hoary
[11:02] <Striss> Ok I have a question...I'm upgrading to Hoary now, when it becomes stable, will I be able to upgrade to that?
[11:02] <Striss> or will i be stuck with unstable hoary
[11:02] <Cuga_> lev, do this test, create a new user now, and see if it can ftp in
[11:02] <GnuHippy> it must be fixed now because synaptic would quit on me when I tried to install anything with dependancies
[11:02] <|trey|> Striss, as they stabalize it, you will just get new packages when you dist-upgrade...
[11:02] <Striss> excellent
[11:02] <Striss> linux kicks ass
[11:02] <FreddyF>              description: Multimedia audio controller
[11:02] <FreddyF>              product: VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
[11:02] <FreddyF>              vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
[11:02] <|trey|> Striss, will be simular to Warty, I upgraded like 3 packages the day it was released  :)
[11:02] <lev> Cuga_: hang on...thanks for the help, btw...
[11:03] <Cuga_> lev, np
[11:03] <mvo_> GnuHippy: this problem is fixed
[11:03] <Striss> I compiled MPlayer a few days ago myself, will this upgrade mess up anything with those mplayer binaries?
[11:03] <vinc1> Anyone have any luck wth an ipod mini?
[11:03] <GnuHippy> k
[11:03] <Striss> I have too many questions I think
[11:03] <Cuga_> FreddyF, Well thats about the most common onboard card out there... you say you dont have any alsa stuff.. why don't you install alsa-base and alsa-utils ?
[11:03] <GnuHippy> are there any other big bugs I should know about
[11:03] <GnuHippy> I think I want to go back
[11:03] <|trey|> Striss, it shouldn't... you put them in /usr/local/ right?
[11:03] <FreddyF> yea, i login as root and type alsaconf... doesent work
[11:03] <Striss> yep
[11:03] <Matt|> vinc1, i use an ipod mini
[11:03] <lev> Cuga_: nope, new user ftptest can't login...my maintenance account doesn't have a problem though.
[11:03] <lev> Cuga
[11:03] <|trey|> Striss, apt ignores /usr/local  ;)
[11:03] <Striss> k
[11:04] <nesman89> question:  connecting through nautilus to windows network.  i can see all the computers in the network however when i try to access shares on the computer i get an "access denied you don't have permissions error"  anybody else seen this and if so any ideas.  or is it a fix in a future issue
[11:04] <Striss> I was so suprised how much better MPlayer performs in ubuntu than it did in OS X
[11:04] <FreddyF> so.. apt-get install alsa-base and apt-get install alsa-utils?
[11:04] <Striss> i was very pleased
[11:04] <Cuga_> FreddyF, yep
[11:04] <Cuga_> FreddyF, also, are you running a stock kernel? or custom?
[11:04] <|trey|> FreddyF, umm, you can just apt-get install alsa-utils... it will drag alsa-base with it  ;)
[11:04] <lev> Cuga_: do I need to restart the ftp server so it knows users created since it executed? that would be odd...but the only difference between the two groups is that stsunx existed before i started vsftpd
[11:04] <FreddyF> the default ubuntu came with
[11:05] <Cuga_> lev, then there must be a list of 'allowd' users somewhere if you didn't notice anything odd lookign in /etc/groups
[11:05] <|trey|> FreddyF, uname -r to sound smart  ;)
[11:05] <lev> Cuga_: that's what i'd think, but i've checked all the ones i know...
[11:05] <Cuga_> lev, worth a shot, but I can't see that working, sec, im gonna install it here and take a peak, i only use sftp on my servers
[11:05] <FreddyF> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:05] <FreddyF> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:05] <FreddyF> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[11:05] <FreddyF> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[11:06] <FreddyF> It still says no fbad command when i type alsaconf
[11:06] <lev> Cuga_: i avoid ftp in general -- we need a regular old ftp set up here at work to distribute class files. i'd love to just use ssh...i know that a lot better... :-)
[11:06] <|trey|> FreddyF, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get the packages 'not upgraded'
[11:06] <Cuga_> tryed sudo alsaconf ?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu doesn't ship with alsaconf
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> because it breaks ubuntu
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> by default
[11:06] <|trey|> dpkg-reconfigure alsaconf
[11:07] <Cuga_> HrdwrBoB, really, thats good to know, thanks
[11:07] <nesman89> any ideas on windows networking issue?
[11:07] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, afaik, early adopters still got it... was removed from archive during Warty release... never had anything conflict with it though...
[11:07] <Cuga_> lev, when you installed vsftp, did it give you the option of using mysql stored accounts?
[11:08] <FreddyF> Setting up lvm10 (1.0.8-4ubuntu1.1) ...
[11:08] <FreddyF>   No volume groups found
[11:08] <FreddyF> that does not sound good
[11:08] <|trey|> FreddyF, its fine... Ubuntu doesn't set up lvm by default
[11:08] <Striss> i guess I should go reboot my system and see if Hoary will play nice with my mac
[11:08] <Striss> i'll be back to let you guys know how it goes...i hope
[11:08] <|trey|> Striss, :)
[11:08] <FreddyF> welll i ran apt-get dist-upgrade and alsaconf still does not work
[11:09] <|trey|> FreddyF, they removed it from the archive....
[11:09] <|trey|> FreddyF, you can remove it if you want... its useless...
[11:09] <lev> Cuga_: gee...I really don't remember.
[11:09] <FreddyF> well, I figured i need to run alsaconf to get my sound working
[11:09] <FreddyF> how else can i get sound working
[11:10] <|trey|> FreddyF, nope... you just need to know what module you need... and make sure its not muted  :)
[11:10] <lev> Cuga_: i'm pretty sure my vsftpd isn't set up like that, but i'm not certain
[11:11] <|trey|> FreddyF, lspci and tell me what it says your audio device is...
[11:11] <Cuga_> lev, you've looked in vsftpd.ftpusers right ?
[11:11] <FreddyF> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, also, just for kicks... Computer > System Configuration > Devices... see if its loaded...
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, ahh, same as me  :)
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, I load via82xx and ac97 and it works  :)
[11:12] <FreddyF> hmm
[11:13] <FreddyF> why wont mine work heh!
[11:13] <lev> Cuga_: oh my. i do apologize -- no, I didn't. i looked in /etc/ftpusers and at the pam entry...i don't remember there being a vsftpd-specific user file. but I guess there is.
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, you have ac97 loaded?
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, lsmod | grep ac97
[11:13] <lev> Cuga_: thanks for the trouble -- i feel silly that it was such a trivial answer.
[11:13] <lev> :-)
[11:13] <FreddyF> I havent a clue
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, lsmod | grep ac97  <-- if that doesn't show you anything, answer = no
[11:14] <Kal_Zakath> gnaite all
[11:14] <FreddyF> root@obscurity:/home/zero # lsmod | grep ac97
[11:14] <FreddyF> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_via82xx
[11:14] <FreddyF> snd                    50660  11 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[11:14] <Cuga_> lev, np :)
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> lev: trivial answers are good
[11:14] <|trey|> FreddyF, if no; then modprobe ac97 && echo ac97 >> /etc/modules
[11:14] <FreddyF> so i should run modprobe ac97 && echo ac97 >> /etc/modules right now?
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, try it, yeah...
[11:15] <lev> HrdwrBoB: yeah -- i'm glad this takes care of it. the more i feel like an idiot, the more i learn about computers, i find. thanks for all your help.
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, its the only thing I ever have to do to get sound working...
[11:15] <FreddyF> works
[11:15] <FreddyF> thanks man
[11:15] <FreddyF> :)
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, yw  :)
[11:15] <Cuga_> lev, story of my life haha, i'm always looking for bigger issues then are acktually at hand.. burned me a few times haha
[11:15] <FreddyF> you guys are great, keep up the good work
[11:16] <|trey|> Cuga_, breaking things makes computing more fun imo  ;)
[11:16] <[Phaedrus] > you are a strange one |trey|
[11:16] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[11:16] <Cuga_> haha
[11:16] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , ahha... seriously though, computers bore me when everything works  :(
[11:17] <|trey|> I have to like, play games or something *shudder*
[11:17] <[Phaedrus] > tell me again, where do you work?
[11:17] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , studying Network Technology right now... not working...
[11:17] <[Phaedrus] > well, that explains a fair bit
[11:17] <|trey|> 2 classes (so 10 weeks) from my Assosiates  :)
[11:18] <[Phaedrus] > you are "involved" with computers
[11:18] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , yup yup... I am like the resident "Linux Guy"... pretty funny when the Linux Admin instructor asks you for help   ;)
[11:18] <nightlybuild> hello Ubuntu world !
[11:19] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , switched one Linux instructor to Debian too prior to Ubuntu being released
[11:19] <|trey|> Was a Gentoo user *shudder*
[11:20] <|trey|> nightlybuild, hey  :)
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > gentoo is nice... its made for people like you
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > my roommate and best friend uses gentoo... i havent yet seen him use his computer
[11:20] <vinc1> gentoo is nice, but time consuming
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > for the past year or so, there is always something compiling, something being fixed
[11:21] <vinc1> I actually used my gentoo
[11:21] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I resent that... renders my system fairly useless though... compiling all the time kinda takes away from the speed advantages...
[11:21] <vinc1> you don't have to compile all the time
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > well, he has a notebook and a desktop
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > vinc1, my roomate was on the "bleeding edge"
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > always trying out new things, trying to encrypt his hard-drive and stuff
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > i can safely say, there was no rest for his system
[11:22] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I'm constantly apt-cache search'ing for things to play with...
[11:23] <vinc1> ther'es no rest for mine ever
[11:25] <[Phaedrus] > |trey|,why dont you put your time into programming?
[11:25] <MyKq3> hello can i install kde with out makeing all the kde programs the defult programs on Gnome ?
[11:25] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I want to, but no time to learn  :(
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: yes that's the default
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> when you install kde it's just there
[11:26] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I definatly plan on learning at least C# once I get out of school though...
[11:26] <limaunion> hi can someone tell me how can i do to 'auto-mount' smb filesystems? I've already added them to my fstab, but they aren't mounted while booting.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: teach yourself python or perl or php or something
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> ti's not hard
[11:27] <|trey|> (just cuz it looks useful and fairly easy... due to Ubuntu's stance on Python, I am also looking at that though..)
[11:27] <MyKq3> HrdwrBoB,  the last time i installed kde after i  installed gnome it made all the kde programs the default ( e.g. when i trye to open a txt file it opend it with kedit  instad of gedit
[11:27] <rebirth> back :)
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: oh... that's Bad[tm]
[11:27] <MyKq3> =\
[11:28] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, C# has a much larger usage base though... .NET and Mono (GTK#, Qt#, Cocoa#)... so thats why I am learning towards that...
[11:28] <|trey|> leaning*
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: don't learn a language
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> learn the concepts
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> a good coder can learna new language in less than a few days
[11:29] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, what better way to learn the concepts then to actual learn some though?
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's a matter of mapping the same concepts to new semantics
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: precisely
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> but my point is, don't get too hung up on the language
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> python is a good start, esp because it'll teach you OO right from the start
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> and it's damn easy to uyse
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> use
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> perl, while I like it and use it daily, is somewhat more.. finnicky
[11:30] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, even more so with EssentialPython :)
[11:31] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, yeah, thats why I haven't given that any serious consideration yet...
[11:31] <|trey|> Perl code just looks uglier then Python code too 9 times out of 10...
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> true, though when I'm text munging I can get a lot more out of perl very easily
[11:32] <zzzzz> why isnt gtk installed with ubuntu?
[11:32] <|trey|> zzzzz, you mean 1.2? because its not required...
[11:32] <|trey|> zzzzz, dpkg -l libgtk-2.0 | grep ^ii
[11:33] <zzzzz> refuses to compile gaim 1.0.2
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** development headers installed. The latest version of GLib is
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> zzzzz: you will need the dev module :)
[11:33] <|trey|> zzzzz, need libgtk-2.0-dev
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install glib2.0-dev
[11:33] <zzzzz> No packages found matching libgtk-2.0.
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> er libglib-dev
[11:34] <|trey|> uhhh, and what HrdwrBoB just said  :)
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> libglib1.2-dev
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> that one
[11:34] <epod> if I install k3b, will it show up in my gnome menu?
[11:34] <|trey|> zzzzz, ahh, then get rid of the -  :)
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> epod: I don't beleive so
[11:34] <epod> er, install it with synaptic, that is
[11:34] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, umm, hey, yeah, Gaim 1.0.2 = gtk 2.x  ;)
[11:35] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you just told him to get old glib... :(
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: glib is only at version 1.2
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> no
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> I such
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> such
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> ffs
[11:35] <zzzzz> so if i apt-get libglib1.2-dev I should be able to compile gaim without problems?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache is being arse
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> zzzzz: ok, run this command sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[11:36] <zzzzz> Thanks =)
[11:37] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, told ya so, or something  ;)
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:39] <|trey|> libgtk2.0-0 is not very obvious  :(
[11:39] <GnuHippy> wow hoary has improved 10 fold
[11:39] <|trey|> should be just libgtk2
[11:39] <GnuHippy> I just did an apt-get upgrade
[11:39] <GnuHippy> to hoary
[11:39] <GnuHippy> amazatron
[11:39] <zzzzz> wow
[11:39] <zzzzz> i love you guys
[11:39] <GnuHippy> everything works
[11:39] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I haven't noticed *that* much... which is actually prolly a good thing  :)
[11:39] <zzzzz> best distro ive used, and ive used over 9
[11:40] <vinc1> 5..
[11:40] <GnuHippy> I have used almost ever distro known to man
[11:40] <GnuHippy> every modern day os known to man
[11:40] <vinc1> red hat for a day, suse for 2 days
[11:40] <vinc1> then gentoo for months
[11:40] <vinc1> vidalinux for 2 weeks
[11:40] <|trey|> Then, only about 7 or 8 have lasted the night though...
[11:40] <vinc1> now ubuntu for a couple of days
[11:40] <GnuHippy> Vida is horrid
[11:40] <vinc1> vida wasn't bad
[11:41] <GnuHippy> red hat and mandrake suck now
[11:41] <vinc1> they sucked before
[11:41] <GnuHippy> gentoo is for people who have no lives
[11:41] <vinc1> I don't really
[11:41] <nosilver4u> or for people who actually want to learn about their computers
[11:41] <GnuHippy> Debian is nice but only sid
[11:41] <|trey|> GnuHippy, not even that... its for people that can't think of anything else to waste clock cycles on  ;)
[11:41] <nosilver4u> instead of just use them
[11:42] <GnuHippy> hey I used gentoo for longest while and I learned more using "handholding" distros than I did with Gentoo
[11:42] <vinc1> Gentoo shocks you into it
[11:42] <topyli> vinc1: what is vida all about? never heard
[11:42] <|trey|> nosilver4u, I used Gentoo, only thing I learned was that compiling everything takes too fucking long!!
[11:42] <GnuHippy> gentoo was just following a guide and reporting to forums when things fucked up
[11:42] <GnuHippy> which they did
[11:42] <GnuHippy> constantly
[11:42] <GnuHippy> even in a stage 3 install
[11:42] <GnuHippy> genkernel is terrible
[11:43] <vinc1> vidalinux is basically a stage3 gentoo install using anaconda that preconfigures the gui and has a frontend for portage
[11:43] <|trey|> First time I installed Gentoo... I installed a stage 3, then still did everything for stage 1... fun stuff...
[11:43] <defendguin> hey im trying to print to a cups networked printer but it says the device is busy but it isnt what can i do i really need to print something
[11:43] <vinc1> I started with stage1..
[11:43] <|trey|> defendguin, what kind of Printer?
[11:44] <defendguin> HP deskjet
[11:44] <|trey|> defendguin, you been to http://www.linuxprinting.org/ recently?
[11:44] <topyli> vinc1: gentoo for newbies?
[11:44] <Hikaru79> I have the same problem
[11:44] <Hikaru79> So if you help defendguin, you're helping too :D
[11:44] <epod> ok, java is installed, I can play DVD's, my palm pilot works, wifi works, sound words, cardreader works, ati drivers work, umm.
[11:44] <|trey|> defendguin, ahh, I swear HP's hardware is supposed to just work... IPP is supposed to not require software configuration  :(
[11:44] <epod> crap ubuntu has left me with nothing to do!
[11:45] <|trey|> CUPS supports IPP afaik  :(
[11:45] <epod> ;)
[11:45] <defendguin> |trey|, it was working
[11:45] <|trey|> epod, ikr... damn them for not breaking enough packages to keep me busy  :)
[11:45] <defendguin> i dont know what happened all of a sudden it says its busy
[11:45] <defendguin> but it isnt printing anything
[11:45] <|trey|> defendguin, I don't have a printer here... so not very familier with CUPS, sorry  :(
[11:46] <epod> |trey|, totally :)  Now i need GAMES! GAMESSS!
[11:46] <Hikaru79> My problem involves the fact that the printer is connected to a Windows network
[11:46] <|trey|> epod, BZFlag should be supported *nods*
[11:46] <Hikaru79> I can see the windows network fine
[11:46] <Hikaru79> But not the printer >>
[11:46] <Hikaru79> Any ideas?
[11:46] <|trey|> That game is addicting  :)
[11:47] <shevegen> Question to make sure:  Ubuntu does not come with gcc ? Cant seem to find one.
[11:47] <bob2> mdz: i know...is it at the stage where you want wide testing from non-developers, tho?
[11:47] <|trey|> shevegen, apt-get install build-essential
[11:47] <epod> This is so weird.  ALSA seems to think my headphone volume setting controls my speakers.
[11:47] <bob2> shevegen: of course it does, install build-essential
[11:47] <mdz> bob2: adventurous ones, yes :-)
[11:47] <bob2> mdz: hah, ok
[11:47] <|trey|> mdz, *cough* *cough*
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> morn all
[11:48] <|trey|> mdz, expect I didn't see what ya'll are talking about  :(
[11:48] <Hikaru79> But I get this error on the printer property page when I try to print a test page: Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[11:48] <mdz> bob2: the text at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html sums it up clearly
[11:48] <mdz> |trey|: hoary
[11:48] <shevegen> bob2: true, works like a charm, thanks :)
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz, damnit, I've been running hoary for like a week...  ;)
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz, sup @ you all not giving me any bugs to report?  :(
[11:49] <clee> daniels: you're a bastard
[11:50] <defendguin> this blows that at my hour of need printing fails
[11:50] <shevegen> thx for the help, laters guys
[11:50] <Hikaru79> =/
[11:50] <mdz> |trey|: the word of the day is "features", rather than bugs.  bugs are for freeze time :-)
[11:50] <|trey|> defendguin, sorry man... wish I could help more  :(
[11:50] <Hikaru79> defendguin, let's both complain about our printers at once and maybe someone will take mercy on us ><
[11:50] <Hikaru79> ;)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Mine's more of a network problem though
[11:50] <defendguin> Printing: Network host '<IP_ADDRESS>' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...INFO: Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> on port 631...
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Since I'm sure if it could actually find the printer over the network it woudl be fine
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Since it's one of the "supported" models
[11:51] <defendguin> ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/printers/printer   this worked for me
[11:51] <defendguin> the printer is connected to a fedora box
[11:51] <topyli> |trey|: the amount of hoary bugs is indeed so low it worries me :)
[11:51] <|trey|> mdz, I've been poking around looking for features... only thing thats annoyed me so far (other then polypaudio not being ready) is gaim's text format bar being greyed... thats fixed in 1.0.2 though, so now I am left with no fun  :(
[11:51] <GnuHippy> indeed hoary is amazing
[11:51] <GnuHippy> and it was released only a week ago
[11:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, install beagle i tell you
[11:52] <epod> hoary is done?
[11:52] <GnuHippy> not done
[11:52] <Striss> woohoo, Hoary is working good
[11:52] <epod> Oh ok good
[11:52] <zzzzz> I apologize for my idiocy... but i compiled gaim 1.0.2 and it yells at me about ssl... so i go to the gami site, check the faq and I check out the debian release, I download libgnutls11-dev.deb and try to run it but it fails
[11:52] <GnuHippy> but you can test it
[11:52] <Acridien> Striss: marvellous
[11:52] <epod> I want to stick to stable
[11:52] <epod> :)
[11:52] <GnuHippy> and it works fantastic
[11:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia, haha... I probably will... don't need any new things to worry about before Friday though  :)
[11:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I have 2 finals in the next 2 days... so yeah  :)
[11:52] <Striss> no problems with any of my main apps so far
[11:53] <linux_mafia> |trey|, finals of what?
[11:53] <GnuHippy> flunk them
[11:53] <GnuHippy> Linux is more important
[11:53] <|trey|> linux_mafia, NT Admin final lab and final test...
[11:53] <topyli> epod: compare your warty and the warty objectives at the wiki. they don't match yet :)
[11:53] <|trey|> linux_mafia, fun stuff... pulling a low A right now though, so I should be fine  :)
[11:53] <aitrus> NT Admin??? what more do you have to know besides ctrl+alt+del??
[11:53] <topyli> epod: not warty damn it, hoary :)
[11:53] <epod> Ok, I have one last fun issue to fix! How do I get my USB hard disk to automagically register when I plug it in?
[11:53] <mirak_> hahahah
[11:54] <GnuHippy> and how to stick in your XP cd when you have to reformat every week
[11:54] <|trey|> aitrus, rather a lot actually... like RIS and DNS and DHCP and well, just about a million clicks  :/
[11:54] <|trey|> GnuHippy, umm, working with Server 2k and 2k3   :/
[11:54] <GnuHippy> same thing
[11:54] <epod> I hate XP.  I fix windows systems all day.  The sheer amount of spyware people get astounds me
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, merging of AD between those is a pain *nods*
[11:55] <GnuHippy> learn to use your ASR console
[11:55] <GnuHippy> you'll need it
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, ASR?
[11:55] <GnuHippy> automated system recovery
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, hahah
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> alt.sysadmin.recovery
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> what's what asr is :)
[11:56] <epod> pfft, just reinstall :D
[11:56] <linux_mafia> |trey|, any nix on your course?
[11:56] <|trey|> I dunno, I haven't hated the server products as much as I thought I would... but yeah...
[11:56] <epod> Argh, I want to turn off my stupid touchpad.
[11:56] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I already took the Linux classes... averaged a 97  :)
[11:56] <GnuHippy> comment out you synaptic driver epod
[11:57] <linux_mafia> |trey|, this at uni?
[11:57] <epod> GnuHippy, Yeah, though I'd kind of rather figure out a way to do it on the fly, since I sometimes use it. Hm.
[11:57] <|trey|> linux_mafia, yeah... about to get my AAS  :)
[11:57] <linux_mafia> ??
[11:57] <mirak_> |trey|, what uni?.....and what  is AAS?
[11:58] <zzzzz> Why wont ubuntu let me install libgnutls11-dev_1.0.16-9_i386.deb ?
[11:58] <|trey|> Assosiates of Applied Science... Collins College's Network Administration course...
[11:58] <mirak_> kk
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, no idea, what does it complain about?
[11:58] <zzzzz> There was an error launching the application.
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, what application?
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, dpkg -i it
[11:59] <|trey|> zzzzz, apt-get install any_deps_it_complains_about
[11:59] <mirak_> |trey|, im a newb....what does "dpkg -i" do.......wand when would i use it?
[11:59] <|trey|> mirak, install's .deb's  :)
[12:00] <zzzzz> ah... ill play around with this
[12:00] <zzzzz> thanks