[18:44] <eikon81g> I am trying to do some quick updates using the software updater and I am getting: "The upgrade needs a total of 159 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 24.3 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'." can I go to the folder and just empty out the contents my self? I ran the clean command and I still get the error mess
[18:44] <eikon81g> age and my trash is empty
[18:44] <eikon81g> Thanks in advance for the assist out there :P
[18:44] <ikonia> eikon81g: remove old kernel packages
[18:45] <wiso> hi
[18:45] <eikon81g> ikonia the files like initrd.img
[18:45] <eikon81g> ?
[18:45] <wiso> a question
[18:45] <ikonia> eikon81g: no
[18:45] <daftykins> eikon81g: via packages, don't rm :P
[18:45] <wiso> using xubuntu
[18:45] <ikonia> eikon81g: the packages - open the package managers and remove the old kernel packages you don't need
[18:45] <daftykins> eikon81g: "ls -al /boot | pastebinit"
[18:45] <MoPac> ikonia: This is my latest trace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10504811/ .  I constantly receive these errors (along with a popup from the GUI update manager) related to packages like netflix-desktop, Silverlight, etc... things associated with Microsoft gratis but non-free code
[18:46] <wiso> exists a connection manager as wicd as alternative?
[18:46] <eikon81g> Ok I am checking I am a noob so just a sec thanks by the way :)
[18:46] <MoPac> I've tried purging all of the culprit packages and starting over; including accepting the license. I've tried manually creating or deleting the folders in the partial downloads area.... always end up stuck in this loop of install failures
[18:47] <ikonia> MoPac: thats because you are using software that is nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:47] <ikonia> MoPac: you're using 3rd party packages from repos that are not being maintained by the ubuntu project
[18:47] <eikon81g> So i am using synaptic package manager and I am looking @ kernal and modules
[18:47] <ikonia> MoPac: I suggest you take this up with the people who manage your netflix software repo
[18:47] <eikon81g> am I on the right track
[18:47] <eikon81g> ?
[18:47] <ikonia> MoPac: the problem is not an ubuntu one
[18:49]  * eikon81g sweats bullets
[18:49] <MoPac> ikonia: I'm aware of the fact that the packages are third-party and what that means. But the actual issue that I'm trying to deal with now is, at a minimum, how to prevent apt and update-manager from bothering me all the time about it. At best, I'm hoping to see if I can get my existing package system to play nice with them.
[18:49] <ikonia> MoPac: you can't
[18:49] <ikonia> MoPac: it's bothering you to tell you the packages are wrong/bad
[18:50] <ikonia> MoPac: fix the packages is the answer
[18:52] <eikon81g> daftykins sorry I am a noobn
[18:52] <eikon81g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10504883/
[18:52] <daftykins> eikon81g: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.16.0-23-generic
[18:53] <MoPac> ikonia: I don't understand where this attitude is coming from. Even in the absence of a resolution to whatever apt is seeing, I don't even notice issues with fonts or whatever the substantive glitch is. But I do notice that I am getting harried by error messages that I don't want and would like to suppress regardless. Yes, trying to change the packages themselves is one approach.
[18:53] <MoPac> But does apt work for me or do I work for it?
[18:53] <ikonia> MoPac: there is not attitude
[18:53] <ikonia> MoPac: I'm telling you the truth on how to fix your problem correctly
[18:54] <ikonia> MoPac: if you don't want the error your choices are 1.) fix the problem 2.) close your eyes
[18:54] <eikon81g> ok daftykins.. I got that done, had to close synaptic and it is executing
[18:54] <eikon81g> thanks so much, may I ask how you know which to remove?
[18:54] <BarnabasDK> technical question: for dnsmasq whats the correct config folder out of the box: /etc/dnsmasq.d or /etc/networkmanager/dnsmasq.d ?
[18:54] <daftykins> eikon81g: the older ones :)
[18:54] <daftykins> (smaller ending numbers)
[18:54] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: are you using network manager ?
[18:54] <jjavaholic> I want a list of users and associated user numbers
[18:54] <ikonia> jjavaholic: look in the passwd file
[18:55] <daftykins> eikon81g: plus the currently running kernel can be checked via "uname -r"
[18:55] <BarnabasDK> ikonia, yes I am
[18:55] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: then is the network manager one as network manager will launch dnsmasq on your behalf
[18:55] <eikon81g> ok, ok I follow. Wow. thanks so much. Is it normal for several kernal versions to hang around in there?
[18:55] <eikon81g> (thanks so much again)
[18:55] <jmadero> yes
[18:55] <jmadero> and I still am not sure why ;)
[18:55] <BarnabasDK> ikonia, also my conclusion, but I wanted to make sure
[18:56] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: move forward with confidence then
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> sudo apt-get install dnsmasq should disable dnsmasq from network manager imho
[18:56] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: you don't need to do that
[18:56] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: it's installed by default
[18:56] <daftykins> eikon81g: yes, there are plenty of updates over the years. running an LTS will go through tens of them
[18:56] <jjavaholic> how do you read the passwd file?
[18:57] <Bashing-om> daftykins: eikon81g linux-headers too ?
[18:57] <ikonia> jjavaholic: in a text editor
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> I know but if you go for the install that way around its because you have other requirements
[18:57] <daftykins> eikon81g: but you're on 14.10 so you won't have that problem unless you upgrade
[18:57] <daftykins> Bashing-om: could do an autoremove to get that i guess
[18:57] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: so then you should know how to manage it
[18:57] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: that "other way" is not designed for desktop interaction
[18:57] <jjavaholic> I don't understand the %number:%number bit which is the user number?
[18:57] <ikonia> jjavaholic: the first
[18:57] <eikon81g> ok ok thanks for all of that so what are the linux-headers?
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> ikonia, true
[18:57] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :)
[18:57] <daftykins> eikon81g: run sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:58] <eikon81g> ok
[18:58] <jjavaholic> what is the second number for?
[18:58] <ikonia> jjavaholic: group
[18:58] <eikon81g> are they listed in my pastebin on /boot as well?
[18:59] <eikon81g> done @ daftykins
[18:59] <daftykins> nope
[18:59] <daftykins> eikon81g: ok, you can resume your update now via the GUI updater
[18:59] <slambxc> What is the output of "date -u +%V$(uname)|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g'"?
[18:59] <ikonia> slambxc: run it and find out
[18:59] <eikon81g> it freed up 24mb as well.. is this is just a normal process to clean up periodically?
[18:59] <ikonia> slambxc: you can do that
[18:59] <eikon81g> thanks again for everything all of you :) SO awesome.
[19:00] <eikon81g> ah crap. I still need 2.440k
[19:00] <eikon81g> smh :\ the updater shot me that error again.. What else can be removed?
[19:01] <daftykins> seems like your partition is waaaaay too small
[19:01] <daftykins> eikon81g: "df -h | pastebinit" ?
[19:01] <slambxc> ikonia i am trying to register on a forum and its asking this question
[19:01] <ikonia> eikon81g: please pastebin the output of "df -h"
[19:01] <eikon81g> ugh, may be..
[19:01] <eikon81g> kk
[19:01] <ikonia> slambxc: then run it on your host
[19:01] <ikonia> slambxc: we are not running it for you
[19:01] <daftykins> eikon81g: another "ls -al /boot | pastebinit" wouldn't hurt too
[19:01] <slambxc> where in terminal
[19:01] <eikon81g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505020/
[19:01] <ikonia> slambxc: yes
[19:02] <eikon81g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505022/ << -al boot
[19:02] <ikonia> eikon81g: your boot partition is way too small to be used realistically
[19:03] <daftykins> eikon81g: "dpkg -l | grep linux | pastebinit"
[19:03] <slambxc> ikonia ok thanks. i got it.
[19:03] <eikon81g> well crap I remember when I installed xubuntu I used a seting that mentioned easier resizizing of the partitions
[19:03] <eikon81g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505043/
[19:03] <sminth> hello
[19:04] <minas114> I upgraded to ubuntu 14.10 yesterday. When I install the proprietory GPU drivers, after logging in nothing happens -- nothing is shown, only the desktop wallpaper. Using the open source drives works but it doesn't support OPENGLES2 that I need for my programming. How can I install the proprietory drivers and make it work?
[19:04] <eikon81g> I don't know how I ended up with such a small boot partition.. :\ I only have an 80gb drive in this machine..
[19:04] <daftykins> eikon81g: is this a setup with encryption at all?
[19:04] <eikon81g> no encryption
[19:05] <daftykins> eikon81g: run "sudo mv /boot/*-bak ~/"
[19:05] <eikon81g> done
[19:05] <daftykins> that should be enough space for the update now
[19:06] <daftykins> i have no idea why you have kernel backups in there - anyone got any ideas?
[19:06] <MoPac> ikonia: Let me come at this from a different direction. I want to disable update-notifier  or update-manager error popups for specific packages or in instances where the infromation was not from an update-manager GUI session (but simply got passed because I ran apt-get in terminal. Is there a way to do this without uninstalling the GUI tools altogether?
[19:06] <ikonia> MoPac: that is not realistic
[19:06] <eikon81g> trust me I haven't done anything special.. :\
[19:06] <BarnabasDK> ikonia, however if you remove /etc/dnsmasq..d the deamon wont start, even with network manager
[19:06] <ikonia> MoPac: the same premise is true a.) fix the problem b.) ignore the messages
[19:06] <BarnabasDK> sort of strange
[19:06] <ikonia> BarnabasDK: correct
[19:06] <ikonia> not strange
[19:07] <MoPac> ikonia: The problem *is* the messages.
[19:07] <ikonia> MoPac: no it's not
[19:07] <ikonia> MoPac: the problem are the packages
[19:07] <ikonia> the error messages are alerting you to this
[19:07] <daftykins> MoPac: trying to stop being notified about a problem isn't fixing it :(
[19:07] <eikon81g> No error this time. Thanks again daftykins and everyone else. So do you have any recommendations to resolve the boot partition size?
[19:08] <McMido> hello
[19:08] <sminth> eikon i can help
[19:08] <daftykins> eikon81g: not without backup and reinstall
[19:08] <MoPac> ikonia: There is an error, a mismatch, in the software. There is a difference between what apt expects and what it sees, and it alerts users because it expects that this might signal a problem for the users. But it's plain wrong to tell a user that the user's needs don't define what is and is not an actual "problem"
[19:08] <eikon81g> bum. well I guess I can just limp along for awhile. When I install did I do something weird to cause that? like a setting or something?
[19:09] <sminth> 100 py how can i  help u
[19:09] <ikonia> MoPac: the packges are the problem - address that
[19:09] <ikonia> MoPac: the sooner you accept that and start addressing it, the quicker the problem will stop
[19:09] <daftykins> eikon81g: dunno, typically a separate /boot isn't even made anymore, so perhaps this has been after many upgrades / years ?
[19:09] <eikon81g> and daftykins once this finishes should I go ahead and remove the old kernal packages again and clean the headers again?
[19:10] <MoPac> ikonia: I'm the *user* -- I decide what conditions are problems and what conditions are not problems.
[19:10] <ikonia> MoPac: ok - then I've told you how to fix it
[19:10] <ikonia> MoPac: fix the packages, or ignore the errors
[19:10] <ikonia> MoPac: you decide which option you want to do
[19:10] <eikon81g> humm.. I installed xubunut at the beginning of the month and I have been learning a little at a time just using it. I am new to the linux scene... I used a fresh format and partition so I am not sure what I could have done :\
[19:11] <daftykins> eikon81g: mmm, well you should now have a newer kernel than -30 in /boot so i'd reboot into that first, then clean up the old
[19:11] <MoPac> ikonia: You haven't said how to fix it -- you've actually just said that fixing it has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[19:11] <ikonia> MoPac: I have told you how to fix it, talk to the people who maintain those packages
[19:11] <ikonia> MoPac: or you can remove those packages
[19:11] <eikon81g> ok gotcha. I have to copy the commands and save them and change the version number and I should be able to knock it out.
[19:11] <ikonia> MoPac: or you can ignore the errors
[19:12] <MoPac> ikonia: okay, so my choice is to ignore the errors. I'd like to execute that choice by actually suppressing the error messages.
[19:12] <ikonia> MoPac: not going to happen
[19:13] <magg> I’m trying to enable component-to-componet communication using: needs. But don’t know that casing needs uses I’ve seen camelcase, snakecase and with a /. My component name is AdvancedMetricComponent
[19:13] <MoPac> ikonia: It's open-source software that's part of Ubuntu. Maybe someone here knows about it that could get me started on modifying it
[19:13] <ikonia> MoPac: you'll need to modify the code
[19:13] <MoPac> ikonia: That's exactly what I just said
[19:13] <ikonia> MoPac: check out the code and make the changes only you require, rebuild and repackages it, host your own repo
[19:13] <labsin> MoPac apt-get source apt
[19:13] <ikonia> MoPac: there is your path to getting a custom updater package that no-one other than you will want
[19:14] <WebonauteWork> ahhh! I found my ctrl+space issue. configured into fcitx
[19:14] <MoPac> ikonia: I understand that process.
[19:14] <eikon81g> the mv command we ran moved the contents to a new location on the drive? I am just unsure how that worked and what the end result was SORRY I am such a newb
[19:15] <daftykins> eikon81g: yeah the backup files went to /home/you/ just in case being without them causes bad things
[19:15] <Bashing-om> eikon81g: When you installed did you choose "LVM" there is a present bug .
[19:16] <MoPac> ikonia: I don't understand the need to snark so hard at someone in a help forum
[19:16] <daftykins> it did look like LVM
[19:16] <ikonia> MoPac: no-one is snarking
[19:16] <ikonia> MoPac: you're asking for a bad thing - and you're not prepared to do it yourself,
[19:16] <eikon81g> yes I used the LVM thinking I'd have some flexibility down the line
[19:16] <daftykins> doh.
[19:16] <Bashing-om> eikon81g: Perhaps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .
[19:16] <ikonia> MoPac: you don't want to fix the solution, you want someone to maintain a single custom package for you - it's not really acceptable
[19:16] <eikon81g> maybe since my drive is only 80gb the bug made a very small boot partition?
[19:16] <daftykins> 80GB? crikey.
[19:17] <MoPac> iikonia: I never asked anyone to make a custom package for me.
[19:17] <MoPac> ikonia: That's ridiculous.
[19:17] <ikonia> MoPac: yes you did
[19:17] <eikon81g> ok dafty I see that now. They are fine just to leave there right?
[19:17] <magg> sorry wrong window
[19:17] <ikonia> MoPac: I explained you'd need to build package and maintain your own repo of that custom package
[19:17] <ikonia> MoPac: you said "I know the process"
[19:17] <daftykins> eikon81g: yeah i don't see why not, i couldn't tell if they were attached to a package so i figured move was better than delete
[19:18] <eikon81g> yea, that looks like what mine did @ that bug
[19:18] <eikon81g> right on, you guys are so good it's sickening. LOL!!! So does the OS still "know" where they are?
[19:18] <MoPac> ikonia:  I know about the packaging process. I'm not familiar with the update-notifier code itself. I speculated that someone who is familiar with it might have some advice about where to look for the error popup, for instance.
[19:18] <ikonia> MoPac: so basically - you want someone to re-write the code for you
[19:18] <eikon81g> or if we hit an issue we would need to move them back manually?
[19:19] <ikonia> MoPac: which means they will need to maintain it or the next ubuntu updated will undo it
[19:19] <MoPac> ikonia: That is not at all what that statement means
[19:19] <ikonia> MoPac: the REAL solution is to FIX the packages
[19:19] <ikonia> MoPac: and you'll be a better community member others will benifit
[19:19]  * eikon81g turns into a sponge to soak up knowledge from daftykins
[19:19] <ikonia> rather than this over the top solution for a custom apt build
[19:20] <daftykins> eikon81g: nah it won't have a clue, but when you reboot to boot into the newer kernel, i don't see any reason it'd want those files
[19:20] <daftykins> since they were for an older kernel or two
[19:21] <MoPac> ikonia: I don't know how over-the-top it would be until/unless I really look through the update-notifier code, I suppose. It might be as simple as commenting out a section
[19:21] <ikonia> MoPac: then look at the code
[19:21] <eikon81g> I am going to go ahead and do a quick reboot and then I will attempt to remove the older kernal *crosses fingers* gotcha daftykins. Makes sense.. A million thanks, I'll brb
[19:21] <ikonia> MoPac: do you know C and python ?
[19:21] <ikonia> MoPac: and FYI: it's not as simple as commenting out that section
[19:23] <fluvvell> is there anywhere I can get help with a monitor thats not displaying correctly?
[19:23] <MoPac> ikonia: I know some. I'm not an advanced or professional programmer. I also know enough about the entire process to know that having a personal update-notifier version could end up being easier than trying to have custom personally modified packages for netflix-desktop, wine-silverlight5.1-installer, etc
[19:24] <ikonia> MoPac: you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to me
[19:24] <ikonia> MoPac: fixing some basic deb packaging errors is MUCH quicker and smimpler than cusotmising the whole package manager to surpress errors and then maintaining that
[19:24] <MoPac> ikonia: So consider that you mocked me by claiming (wrongly) that I was trying to get someone to write me a modified apt package, but your advice is for me to go to third parties and get them to modify their packages for me
[19:24]  * daftykins chuckles
[19:24] <ikonia> MoPac: no-one is mocking you
[19:25] <ikonia> MoPac: my advice is to get third parties to fix their packages yes, they may not even know its broken, or better still YOU fix them and feed the fixes back to them
[19:25] <ikonia> just looks like the definition or manifest is wrong
[19:25] <ikonia> shouldn't take long at all
[19:29] <fluvvell> are the intel video drivers buggy or are sparklies on my screen supposed to be there? Or is that another channel
[19:29] <daftykins> what's happening?
[19:29] <lasko> lol sparklies?
[19:29] <lasko> screen shot I want to see heh
[19:29] <daftykins> easy, lasko
[19:29]  * daftykins sedates lasko
[19:29] <winterchillz> Is there a way to use dynamic wallpapers without having to install 3rd party software to change them for me
[19:30] <lasko> daftykins: whoa whoaaaaa. I think we just might have in incident of excessive Glitter usage.
[19:30] <lasko> And I want to see
[19:30] <fluvvell> lasko, pixels that rotate in different colours
[19:30] <lasko> oh. Well then nevermind. I'll take my seat on teh floor and watch.
[19:31] <fluvvell> daftykins, its only when I'm trying to get the screen to run in its full resolution of 2550x1600. And it does it with 14.04 and 14.10, installed or booted with an iso.
[19:31] <daftykins> what system?
[19:32] <daftykins> presumably intel on-die graphics, so which CPU?
[19:32] <daftykins> *2560x1600, which cable type?
[19:32] <ikonia> I'll be impressed of an on cpu display gpu can drive that display
[19:33] <daftykins> they've been capable of that for years, yes
[19:33] <doomlord_1> i've got that here for sure
[19:33] <doomlord_1> well, 2560x1440
[19:33] <ikonia> really, they will drive that sort of display ?
[19:33] <doomlord_1> yes, even 4k
[19:33] <ikonia> wow
[19:33] <doomlord_1> they wont redraw as fast as discrete GPUs
[19:33] <q_> how would I dpkg-reconfigure for all packages on 14.10 -- there doesn't seem to be an -all flag anymore
[19:33] <doomlord_1> but they can certainly drive the monitor
[19:34] <wlodpolm> http://superuser.com/questions/685452/trying-to-find-max-resolution-for-amd-card
[19:34] <daftykins> i think you have to go displayport for the truly high though, not sure how high dual-link DVI goes
[19:34] <doomlord_1> current intel iGPU can certainly do 3 monitors, and it can do 4k (i doubt it will do 3x4k though)
[19:34] <doomlord_1> yeah i think you need displayport for 4k
[19:34] <eikon81g> thanks so much to everyone who chipped in especially daftykins! I will continue along and WHEN I get stuck again I'll be back, have a great week everyone!
[19:34] <daftykins> eikon81g: enjoy :)
[19:34] <q_> I'm getting random crashes after recently installing 14.10 - never had that on this laptop before been using ubuntu for 2 years.  Where should I start ?
[19:35] <daftykins> q_: memtest
[19:35] <eikon81g> :) I removed the .30 kernal all by myself!! LOL :)
[19:35] <q_> daftykins, ahh yes, let me do that now
[19:36] <daftykins> heh, wonder if q knows it'll take hours
[19:36] <eikon81g> lol
[19:37] <fluvvell> lasko, where do I paste the screenshot?
[19:37] <daftykins> imgur.com
[19:41] <lasko> sorry, my bae-bae woke up and started crying.
[19:41] <frenda__> I have ping on both domains and dns when I'm contected via openVPN under udp config, but browsers can't open any page! I don't have at all any ping by TCP config!
[19:42] <frenda__> for example:
[19:42] <frenda__> ~$ ping -c4 torproject.org
[19:42] <frenda__> PING torproject.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[19:42] <frenda__> 64 bytes from aroides.torproject.org (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=312 ms
[19:43] <fluvvell> daftykins, Its pointless to share the screenshot, i'm on another computer now and have copied it across. It only shows the colour rotating pixes when viewed on the computer with the problem
[19:44] <daftykins> fluvvell: can you answer the other questions i had?
[19:45] <zenny> HI, the wireless works hell slow and the usb ports stop detecting devices after I ran apt-get dist-upgrde today in ubuntu 14.04. Both wireless and usb detection works fine from the windows in the same dual-boot laptop. Anyone experienced this. The laptop is HP Envy.
[19:45] <q_> daftykins, memtest passed - next step ?
[19:45] <daftykins> you did just one pass already?
[19:45] <lasko> frenda__: Issues related to your OpenVPN configuration would fall under consulting their documentation not Ubuntu.
[19:45] <daftykins> q_: ideally from a live session i would check the SMART data on the hard disk, if you have a mechanical one
[19:45] <q_> daftykins, yes
[19:46] <fujimuffins> hello
[19:46] <q_> hmm no SSD
[19:46] <daftykins> hi
[19:46] <fujimuffins> can u help me with something pls?
[19:46] <svetlana> ask
[19:46] <fluvvell> daftykins,           product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460  CPU @ 3.20GHz, yes its graphics on the motherboard
[19:46] <daftykins> ok so haswell
[19:46] <daftykins> nah, on processor
[19:46] <daftykins> and cable type?
[19:46] <fujimuffins> so im trying to dual boot ubuntu on my windows 7 computer
[19:47] <fujimuffins> and i've put the iso onto my usb stick
[19:47] <fujimuffins> but when i try to boot up ubuntu
[19:47] <daftykins> fujimuffins: you can press enter less you know, nice long sentences are great :)
[19:47] <fluvvell> daftykins, its a DVI cable which worked on the previous motherboard/graphics card i had working this monitor, so dual-link is fine.
[19:47] <daftykins> fluvvell: which ubuntu again?
[19:48] <fujimuffins> and switch my start up to my usb it freezes at this https://i.imgur.com/5MIh9YF.jpg
[19:48] <fujimuffins> oh sorry
[19:48] <daftykins> fujimuffins: oh dear you're running RAID.
[19:48] <fujimuffins> what does that mean?
[19:48] <fluvvell> daftykins, 14.04.2  - also on the "booted from iso" 14.10 exactly the same issues and effect.
[19:49] <daftykins> fujimuffins: you have two hard disks combined together in a striped RAID 0 array
[19:49] <fujimuffins> ok. what should i do?
[19:49] <daftykins> i don't think that's really going to be compatible, but it's not even getting as far as booting so your download may be corrupt or your flash drive may've not been created successfully
[19:50] <fluvvell> daftykins, out of the box I cant get the 2nd modeline to be available to the Display settings xrandr panel, I've needed to put in an .xprofile  file to achieve what I've got so far.
[19:50] <daftykins> fluvvell: hmm, try a 15.04 ISO - it's not out yet of course but it'll have a newer kernel. presumably you didn't try installing intel drivers?
[19:50] <AegNuddel> How do I move the on-screen keyboard?  I'm having to use it since my keyboard cord just went kaput, and there is no title bar with which to drag it.  I would also like to keep it on top, as the search screen covers it...
[19:51] <lasko> AegNuddel: Hold Alt
[19:51] <daftykins> hold alt and drag?
[19:51] <fluvvell> daftykins, I did, but no help. But having the same result in 14.04 and 14.10....  I  read that the intel drivers are the same as ubuntu are offereing anyway?
[19:51] <daftykins> fluvvell: yep, it annoys me when people start trying to install them as if it's Windows ;) just checking.
[19:52] <daftykins> fluvvell: well, assuming the cable is good i have no better ideas.
[19:52] <fluvvell> daftykins, lol sure - I get the same reaction
[19:52] <daftykins> having to set resolution manually is a bit of a bad sign
[19:52] <lasko> fluvvell: Does it happen under other resolutions?
[19:52] <fluvvell> daftykins, can I share my .xprofile for you to have a look at?
[19:52] <daftykins> does that screen only have DVI?
[19:52] <fluvvell> lasko, no
[19:52] <fluvvell> daftykins, yes
[19:52] <daftykins> it won't do any good, not familiar with the file
[19:52] <AegNuddel> I, uh, have, no keyboard daffykins
[19:53] <emsy2015> k1l_: are you here? :)
[19:53] <daftykins> AegNuddel: heh that's a fair point. ah well, no idea.
[19:53] <fluvvell> daftykins, its a bunch of xrandr statements I think
[19:53] <daftykins> maybe your mode isn't quite what the display wants?
[19:53] <daftykins> i'd dig into the /var/log/Xorg.0.log i think
[19:53] <lasko> AegNuddel: Using your mouse -- Click the Alt button -- and while still holding it, attempt to drag
[19:53] <emsy2015> mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
[19:53] <emsy2015> how to fix it guys?
[19:54] <fluvvell> http://pastebin.com/k8nYfhWR
[19:55] <chartractegg> hello
[19:55] <chartractegg> I'm a noob and i'm in trouble
[19:55] <chartractegg> anyone there
[19:55] <emsy2015> can anyone link yesterday's chat history?
[19:55] <ikonia> !logs | emsy2015
[19:55] <daftykins> chartractegg: phrase a question with detail on one line
[19:55] <chartractegg> I'm on a Macintosh and I wanted to dual boot to Ubuntu, it's replaced my Mac partition though :(
[19:55] <daftykins> fluvvell: HDMI? are you using an adapter?
[19:56] <daftykins> chartractegg: oh dear.
[19:56] <emsy2015> ikonia: thank you!
[19:56] <svetlana> chartractegg: hopefully you still have the mac install cd and some more attention to the ubuntu installer?
[19:56] <chartractegg> daftykins: i'm a noob, but not terribly. I can figure it out..
[19:56] <Nikesh> How do I add a program to the Unity launcher?
[19:56] <svetlana> right click it
[19:56] <chartractegg> Apple doesn't ship DVD restores anymore, it's hidden in the hard disk
[19:57] <svetlana> use that then
[19:57] <svetlana> #macosx channel is here
[19:57] <chartractegg> i may have deleted the recovery partition though
[19:57] <chartractegg> LOL
[19:57] <daftykins> no that's just a recovery partition, it doesn't have the whole OS - it pulls it down from online
[19:57] <ikonia> chartractegg: you can also download from itunes
[19:57] <lasko> ouch
[19:57] <bynarie> when i boot up, i get this message before X starts up - usb 3-11: string descriptor 0 malformed (err = -61), defaulting to 0x0409
[19:57] <Nikesh> svetlana: when i right click, it goes to showing reviews and launch option
[19:57] <lasko> chartractegg: reboot your machine and hold Command+R during startup
[19:57] <svetlana> alt+right click, then
[19:57] <lasko> chartractegg: It'll bring you to the recovery
[19:57] <chartractegg> daftykins: I went to apple store other day, to restore mac os, i fucked this up before, and they can restore at apple store way faster
[19:58] <jhutchins> chartractegg: It's still possible to get a copy of a restore/install image from apple.  They probably charge for it.
[19:58] <ikonia> chartractegg: tone down the language
[19:58] <daftykins> language, please.
[19:58] <ikonia> there is no need for it
[19:58] <chartractegg> lasko: I know about the boot key commands
[19:58] <emsy2015> ikonia: can you please tell what name is for this server?
[19:58] <chartractegg> apologies for language
[19:58] <svetlana> Nikesh: (or shoot these unity developers and documentation people to the moon if it doesn't have a help button)
[19:58] <ikonia> emsy2015: which server ?
[19:58] <daftykins> chartractegg: so what are you actually after?
[19:58] <lasko> chartractegg: If you can get into Recovery then you havent overwritten recovery
[19:58] <fluvvell> daftykins, and it's more freaky that after a while it goes black but a shift to tty1 and back to the graphics screen brings it back
[19:58] <emsy2015> ikonia: in irclogs there are a lot of servers
[19:58] <ikonia> emsy2015: no, they are channels
[19:59] <ikonia> emsy2015: this channel is called #ubuntu
[19:59] <Nikesh> svetlana: alt+right click shows menu for background window (like minimise, show it all desktops, and so on)
[19:59] <chartractegg> daftykins: what do you mean "what am I actually after"
[19:59] <svetlana> i dislike the fact that i have to open a web browser in order to find docs for unity
[19:59] <ikonia> chartractegg: what do you want from this channel ?
[19:59] <svetlana> there should be an offline way
[19:59] <emsy2015> ikonia: but there are tonns of #ubuntu
[19:59] <daftykins> chartractegg: what do you want help with?
[19:59] <ikonia> emsy2015: no there isn't, there is 1
[20:00] <emsy2015> ikonia: ubuntu.html or .txt?
[20:00] <chartractegg> right sorry, I'm not sure I want anything, or help with much of anything
[20:00] <bynarie> daftykins, u know what this means -> usb 3-11: string descriptor 0 malformed (err = -61), defaulting to 0x0409
[20:00] <daftykins> chartractegg: well this is a support channel, so there's no point being here :)
[20:00] <ikonia> emsy2015: text formatting or html format, up to you
[20:00] <lasko> chartractegg: Like I said, if you reboot into Recovery mode (then thats proof you didn't over write your recovery) -- in which case you should be able to click "Reinstall OS" in that menu. -- thats about the best advice you'll get from anyone lol
[20:00] <baastrup> I need help installing a 3d party wifi usb dongle driver
[20:00] <daftykins> bynarie: looks like a device in a USB port not speaking the right language.
[20:00] <baastrup> http://www.edimax.com/edimax/download/download/data/edimax/global/download/for_home/wireless_adapters/wireless_adapters_ac450/ew-7711ulc
[20:01] <chartractegg> when I go to install ubuntu, it said "You have a Windows 7 partition on here. Want to install Ubuntu over windows partition?"
[20:01] <bynarie> daftykins, ok.. do you know of anything I could do to get more info/diagnose the problem?
[20:01] <AegNuddel> What does it mean when a key on the on-screen keyboard turns red?
[20:01] <chartractegg> I said I wanted to install Ubuntu over the Windows 7 partition ( 25GB out of 500GB HDD)
[20:01] <daftykins> bynarie: not since i don't have a clue what you're doing no, and please ask the channel in future, don't pick on individual users :)
[20:01] <emsy2015> ikonia: I love you, man! No homo though
[20:01] <lasko> chartractegg: Do you want to keep windows or no? Are you trying to dual-boot windows / Ubuntu
[20:01] <chartractegg> i love you all
[20:01] <svetlana> baastrup: find another wifi dongle - if this stuff is non-free and has no source released, it may contain a backdoor
[20:01] <ikonia> emsy2015: don't make stupid homophobic comments please, "thank you" is how you thank someone
[20:01] <chartractegg> lasko: trying to dual boot Mac OS X and Ubuntu
[20:01] <bynarie> yea sorry bout that.. i just knew you were pretty knowledgeable daftykins
[20:02] <bynarie> the error message appears while booting up, right before X starts up
[20:02] <RootKit> Hello!
[20:02] <lasko> chartractegg: One sec, i'll get you the link you need
[20:02] <emsy2015> ikonia: I said no homo lol. That means the biggest thanks to you.  But official kernels are very unresponsive without patches! I want something very  responsive!!
[20:07] <ikonia> RootKit: they are not
[20:07] <SomeT> I plan to do in 2 hours ;)
[20:07] <ikonia> RootKit: they are excellent
[20:07] <daftykins> lol unresponsive kernels, typical Linux ricer generation
[20:08] <ikonia> RootKit: we only support official kernels here, so this isn't the right channel
[20:08] <lasko> daftykins: Well ok.
[20:10] <RootKit> ikonia: whats wrong with unofficial kernel! I remove unity and and some other resource hungry shits! compiled kernel 4.0 with specific driver for my hardware.. using fluxbox ,no DEs.. But ubuntu still feels slow!
[20:10] <ikonia> RootKit: tone down the language, there is no need for it
[20:11] <ikonia> RootKit: if you've made all the changes you say you've made - it's no longer ubuntu
[20:11] <ikonia> RootKit: so I suggest you support your own customized distro
[20:11] <kryptonradon> can I upgrade 14.04 to 14.10 in place?
[20:11] <k1l_> RootKit: the problem is, we dont know if "stuff" doesnt work because its your custom kernels fault or if its a general ubuntu issue then
[20:11] <ikonia> kryptonradon: yes, it will need a reboot though
[20:11] <ikonia> !upgrade | kryptonradon
[20:11] <kryptonradon> thanks
[20:11] <k1l_> kryptonradon: yes run the update-manager but keep in mind that you need to upgrade every 6 months then
[20:12] <kryptonradon> I keep needing to install things that don't get updated to the newer version
[20:12] <ikonia> kryptonradon: be careful, very few people "need" newer versions than the versions shipped with the distro
[20:13] <kryptonradon> I'm using blender addons that need 2.71 and 14.04 has 2.69
[20:13] <RootKit> ikonia: and k1l_: well then ! I have to leave ubuntu! damn!  I guess have to build everything from the scratch!
[20:13] <ikonia> RootKit: bye
[20:14] <k1l_> RootKit: you are on your own with that custom kernels on most distros anyway.
[20:14] <RootKit> k1l_: hmm!
[20:15] <q_> kill him!
[20:15] <q_> kill  him!
[20:15] <fluvvell> since when has unity been in the kernel?
[20:15] <ikonia> fluvvell: it's not
[20:15] <jhutchins> !lfs
[20:15] <ikonia> and LFS won't help with that either
[20:15] <ikonia> so pointing at lfs won't help
[20:16] <jhutchins> He should be running gentoo.
[20:16] <q_> k1l_: hmm! , I was refering to what RootKit typed and what it looked like
[20:16] <nash> hi guys I have a strange freeze after login.  What can I check? I am running smartctl to see if it's a hdd failure... I created another user and it works, it's just stuck after login
[20:16] <RootKit> q_ : you are funny ..lol
[20:17] <RootKit> jhutchins: who should be runnin gentoo?
[20:17] <k1l_> someone know what .wmz files are and how to open that?
[20:17] <emsy2015> hey, guys. I had the problem with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28099/how-to-restore-a-system-after-accidentally-removing-all-kernels
[20:17] <emsy2015> hey, k1l_
[20:17] <zatan> hi how can I let access directory to users who is certain group ?
[20:18] <genii> k1l_: Unzip it to wmf and use some media player
[20:18] <RootKit> ikonia: bye! sir/mam
[20:18] <ikonia> bye
[20:18] <emsy2015> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10505937/
[20:18] <nash> both /home and .xauthority belong to the correct user
[20:19] <k1l_> genii: archiv fileroller thingy from unity got their issues with it. "archive type is not supported"
[20:19] <genii> emsy2015: You cannot unmount a directory if you have cd into it.
[20:20] <genii> emsy2015: do something like just:  cd      first then unmount
[20:20] <mina1> quit
[20:20] <RootKit> Hey! I have nuttin' to say, yo! lol... What am I doin here?!
[20:20] <daftykins> RootKit: please take it elsewhere.
[20:21] <emsy2015> genii: the same problem
[20:22] <RootKit> well.. I should join a dating channel.. suggest me some channel names! i dont know how to search for channel in weechat !
[20:22] <k1l_> !alis | RootKit
[20:23] <fluvvell> daftykins, sorry I got caught on a phone call - you asked me HDMI - I can't see whether I replied - its DVI  Dual-link cable which worked on a previous hardware set.
[20:23] <genii> emsy2015: Pastebin please
[20:23] <emsy2015> genii, what will happen if I'll try to unmount it manually, because the /mnt is on locker
[20:23] <RootKit> k1l_: thank you, man
[20:23] <genii> emsy2015: Trying to unmount it manually is what you've been doing.
[20:23] <fluvvell> daftykins, ikonia,   my .xprofile is  http://pastebin.com/k8nYfhWR
[20:24] <fluvvell> sorry couldn't remember who replied last :-S
[20:24] <RootKit> ubottu: thankkkkkkkz
[20:24] <emsy2015> genii, I  meant by clicking the right click on mouse and choosing "unmount"
[20:24]  * genii consider a lecture on running as root and then trying to use suso while in root prompt, then says "screw it" and goes back to work
[20:24] <elitewarfare> Can u install ubuntu on an early 2008 macbook pro laptop MB134LL/A
[20:24] <ikonia> elitewarfare: yes
[20:25] <elitewarfare> thank you
[20:26] <daftykins> fluvvell: so you're not using some kind of HDMI to DVI dongle? 'cause it's odd you'd be setting HDMI modes 0o
[20:27] <fluvvell> daftykins, ABSOLUTELY no dongle or even an adapter. DVI - DVI cable. Yes, I saw that - but thats what xrandr reports the DVI port as.
[20:30] <fluvvell> daftykins, of course I keep going back to the statement somebody made that hdmi and dvi were electrically compatible with the exception of the audio
[20:30] <fluvvell> i may be wrong I guess
[20:30] <nash> hi guys I have a strange freeze after login.  What can I check? I am running smartctl to see if it's a hdd failure... I created another user and it works, it's just stuck after login
[20:31] <RootKit> ubottu: I did forget how to search for channel! can you plz repeat how to .......
[20:33] <wamicho> daftykins, i did a fresh install , i am just waiting for it to upgrade what should be the best way to install the nvidia driver so it can work ..?
[20:34] <daftykins> !hybrid
[20:34] <daftykins> hmm
[20:34] <daftykins> wamicho: just "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 nvidia-prime" i think
[20:35] <wamicho> daftykins, did that before it did not work or should i just download from the nvidia page and install it ?
[20:36] <daftykins> wamicho: that'll be a guaranteed failure if you tried that :)
[20:36] <daftykins> i honestly don't know, you should do more research on your model of system because i was out of ideas earlier
[20:37] <wamicho> daftykins, ok thanks a lot ..
[20:43] <lattera> so I have a process (vlc) that's not dying with kill -KILL
[20:43] <lattera> what's the best way to kill it?
[20:44] <bindi> kill -9 as root?
[20:44] <dipooots> kill -9 `pidof vlc`
[20:44] <dipooots> or killall -UNUSED vlc
[20:44] <lattera> still no go
[20:45] <burkmat> Reboot.
[20:45] <lattera> now it's listed in ps as: vlc <defunct>
[20:45] <dipooots> then it's a zombie process, sadly I don't think you can kill it without a reboot if it doesn't respond to those
[20:46] <DasEi> lattera: sudo killall vlc  doesn't work ? no frozen system ? use htop to look for Pid's
[20:46] <dipooots> yea that too, check pid manually in case there's two or whatever
[20:47] <lattera> nope, just a single process, PID 6308
[20:47] <lattera> gonna have to reboot :/
[20:47] <dipooots> kill 6308, i do it a few times until it tells me no such pid
[20:49] <DasEi> lattera: sudo kill -9 -1 6308  (f.e) ?
[20:51] <DasEi> lattera: does htop shows suspicous loads on another PID ?
[20:53] <lattera> no clue... just rebooted
[20:57] <emsy2015> hello guys. once again how to see chat history  from this chat?
[20:57] <therealfakemoot> So I recently upgraded to 10.14 but I'm having trouble installing steam. `sudo apt-get install steam` produces the following output https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/a78edea623954e2ce767
[20:57] <k1l_> !logs | emsy2015
[20:57] <emsy2015> thank you
[20:57] <daftykins> 10.14 isn't a real release (:
[20:57] <therealfakemoot> er
[20:57] <therealfakemoot> right
[20:57] <therealfakemoot> 14.10
[20:59] <Whitor> emsy2015, It depends on your IRC client
[20:59] <burkmat> !lts
[20:59] <emsy2015> whitor, I already found what I had to find, thank you :)
[20:59] <Whitor> I'm using 14.04 and love it
[21:00] <Whitor> emsy2015, great!
[21:00] <burkmat> !LFS
[21:00] <emsy2015> whitor, anyway, could you help me please?
[21:00] <burkmat> Shouldn't the bot be updated re versioning on LFS / LTS?
[21:01] <Whitor> I don't know why anyone (especially a new user) would use an experimental version of Ubuntu. My guess is they don't really know that non LTS versions /are/ less supported..
[21:01] <emsy2015> Whitor, I removed all my kernels, so I tried to recover it after this thread. http://askubuntu.com/questions/28099/how-to-restore-a-system-after-accidentally-removing-all-kernels
[21:02] <OerHeks> burkmat, no, why is it confusing for you?
[21:02] <emsy2015> Whitor, when I did the last step (reboot) I had black screen with an error: missing models
[21:02] <Whitor> Also... experienced users using Ubuntu in a professional production environment Shouldn't even consider using a non LTS version.
[21:04] <daftykins> Whitor: i think new users impatiently rush through the download page on the site and don't read... because that was one of the first lessons i learnt
[21:04] <Whitor> emsy2015, sounds like a fun project!  I hope might consider re-installing on a different machine and moving your data ex-post-facto
[21:05] <Whitor> daftykins, yeah... I think this should be emphasized on the download page... Perhaps make people dig a little bit to get the latest (non LTS) versions... BTW I'm anxious to see whats in 16.04!
[21:05] <bcowan> boot to a livecd/usb and chroot
[21:05] <emsy2015> whitor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10506460/
[21:05] <daftykins> well, you'll be waiting a while. general chat however is in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:05] <burkmat> OerHeks: Maybe I'm misreading it, but the bot seems to be saying the latest LTSs are 8.04, 10.04 and 12.04?
[21:05] <daftykins> current LTS is 12.04.5 and 14.04.2
[21:06] <burkmat> Yeah. So...
[21:06] <burkmat> !LFS
[21:06] <OerHeks> burkmat, last part says different.
[21:07] <k1l_> burkmat: for bot suggestions please do that in #ubuntu-irc :)
[21:07] <burkmat> k1l_: Ok, will do. Just wanted to check that I'm not retarded and/or crazy. :D
[21:09] <DasEi> burkmat: also you can PM ubott.. to play with it
[21:10] <emsy2015> guys, what to do if the kernel is newer than system and kernel modules?
[21:10] <daftykins> emsy2015: what do you mean?
[21:10] <emsy2015> I've booted from live cd
[21:10] <emsy2015> on live cd I have 14.04 but on my hdd I have 14.10
[21:10] <daftykins> !enter
[21:11] <daftykins> argh who keeps deleting every factoid
[21:11] <k1l_> emsy2015: for the chroot that doesnt matter
[21:11] <jhutchins> daftykins: ubottu is not as well trained as dpkg.
[21:11] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Which video/graphics drivers are you using?
[21:11] <emsy2015> k1l_ when I rebooted I had a black screen telling that I miss some modules
[21:11] <daftykins> jhutchins: i'll assume that's an attempt at humour 0o
[21:12] <k1l_> emsy2015: make sure you installed the kernel headers mathcing your kernel
[21:12] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Pretty sure it's the closed source nvidia one but I'm gonna have to look and double check.
[21:12] <Whitor> emsy2015, thanks for the  pastebin.  heh, I still might have been lazy and re-installed. With ubuntu, it's so freaking easy.   I grew up with slackware... I've done my share of kernel / module compiling... I remember when nearly every app had to be compiled
[21:12] <Whitor> I've had enough of it
[21:12] <jhutchins> emsy2015: What are you truing to do?
[21:13] <emsy2015> k1l_ how to do that?
[21:13] <Whitor> Personally I'd rather spend my extra time with my kids... not researching how to rebuild my kernel.. Oh how times have changed :(      :)
[21:13] <emsy2015> whitor: I'll lose all my filed wouldn't I?
[21:13] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: "NVIDIA Binary driver - version 331.113 from nvidia-311-updates"
[21:13] <k1l_> emsy2015: boot that system or chroot into it from a live cd and make sure "linux-generic" is installed
[21:14] <emsy2015> jhutchins: trying  to recover my system
[21:14] <Whitor> emsy2015, only if you overwrite your HD ... use another HD
[21:14] <k1l_> emsy2015: but if you installed the video driver from some website then you need to reinstall it again
[21:14] <Whitor> emsy2015, then take your existing HD and put it into an external USB reader...  copy your home dir off and you are all set!
[21:15] <bcowan> so much easier just to chroot in and install kernel/headers
[21:16] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: So, I haven't dealt with the video driver options for a while since I switched to a machine with integrated graphics. But the message you pasted basically indicates that steam is saying it needs some of the open-source software around in order to install. Usually, when I've seen a message like this, it's because the software I want to install needs a particular version
[21:16] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Interesting. I can try switching over
[21:16] <MoPac> ... but some other existing software needs a different version, so the new software can't install
[21:16] <nash> hi guys I have a strange freeze after login.  Here is my smartmontools log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10506563/  what can I check more??
[21:16] <emsy2015> whitor, if I had another hd
[21:16] <therealfakemoot> We'll see if noveau can resolve this
[21:17] <MoPac> However, in the case of the video drivers, I wonder if having the option set to non-free might be telling the system not to install the free ones? I don't know exactly how much pull that option has in apt
[21:17] <emsy2015> k1l, haven't installed anything, only one kernel
[21:17] <MoPac> Well, one other thing though
[21:17] <emsy2015> with apt-get install linux-image-generic
[21:17] <k1l_> emsy2015: there is the issue. i told you several times to install the "linux-generic" since it installs the headers automatically
[21:17] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: I wonder if you can install those mesa packages without actually switching your preference from nvidia to nouveau?  Have you tried just doing "apt-get install [packagename that it said wasn't installf for steam]"?
[21:18] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: yup
[21:18] <Whitor> emsy2015, good point..
[21:18] <k1l_> emsy2015: "linux-image..." is only the kernel, but not the headers. for building modules you need the headers
[21:18] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: no dice. apt wouldn't install them
[21:18] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: What's the error you get when you try?
[21:18] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: the lock is currently being held by the switch from closed source to novaeu drivers
[21:18] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: I'll have to reproduce it in a second
[21:19] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: sure, no problem
[21:20] <emsy2015> Whitor, too big physical effort. I prefer fixing it with codes
[21:20] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: I'm probably overly skittish about switching back and forth between nvidia and nouveau drivers because doing that used to cause all kinds of problems on my old system [shudders]. Hopefully those are more rare now, though
[21:21] <Whitor> I thought everyone had piles of HD's kicking around...  Perks of working in IT
[21:21] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Yeah. I switched from Noveau to the closed source ones when a KSP update got all buggy. I saw a massive performance increase from it
[21:21] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: and uh, the 'software center' threw an error about ack-grep while I was trying to change over. So it...didn't?
[21:22] <therealfakemoot> ugh.
[21:22] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: okay, well, it might not be necessary to swtich over. Let's see what happend when you try just apt-get install-ing the two packages that held up your steam installation
[21:22] <emsy2015> k1l: so I have apt-get install linux-generic , right?
[21:22] <emsy2015> * I have to
[21:23] <k1l_> emsy2015: right.
[21:23] <k1l_> emsy2015: you could try if you can boot into the recovery in the grub.
[21:23] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: So, as it turns out, I can install libgl1-mesa-dri OR libgl1-mesa-glx.
[21:23] <therealfakemoot> which would require the remove of nvidia-updates-331
[21:24] <emsy2015> k1l, but I had some error... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10506647/
[21:24] <k1l_> emsy2015: what was the command?
[21:25] <therealfakemoot> Not sure what the difference between dri and glx is, unfortunately
[21:25] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Are you seeing the same thing that these people saw a while back, or is it different? - https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2800
[21:25] <emsy2015> k1l_ : apt-get install linux-generic
[21:25] <k1l_> in recovery?
[21:25] <emsy2015> k1l, in chroot
[21:26] <k1l_> emsy2015: then you did something wrong since the filesystem is read-only.
[21:26] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Similar, but I can't say for sure.
[21:26] <k1l_> emsy2015: so i bet you did again not setup the chroot properly and are still on the live-ubuntu system and not in the chroot
[21:26] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: I have a vague recollection about the ia32 libs business helping me out with something similar. Let me know if this helps you https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2800#issuecomment-74045352
[21:27] <k1l_> emsy2015: seeing 3.13 kernel i am sure you are not in chroot.
[21:27] <emsy2015> k1l: root@ubuntu:/#
[21:27] <k1l_> emsy2015: no
[21:27] <k1l_> emsy2015: that is the live-system from cd or usb. not the installed one. so get your chroot set up properly.
[21:28] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Augh, https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:28] <emsy2015> k1l I did chroot in /media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d/boot"
[21:28] <emsy2015> with sudo chroot /media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d/boot"
[21:29] <k1l_> emsy2015: no no no no no.
[21:29] <emsy2015> without boot at the end lol
[21:29] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Yeah, I'm having deja vu -- I was right where you are. I know it ended up working, though. At the moment, are you still on nvidia?
[21:29] <k1l_> emsy2015: start over again from the beginning after unmounting all first.
[21:29] <Alxx> g
[21:29] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Correct.
[21:29] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: And at the moment, do you have broken packages, or is it all working (just can't install steam)?
[21:30] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: I may have broken packages. I'm not sure how to check
[21:30] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: try apt-get install -f
[21:31] <therealfakemoot> Same error message.
[21:31] <therealfakemoot> exit status 8
[21:31] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: okay, first let's try to just get back to working nvidia like you had before. manually apt-get remove the mesa package you were trying
[21:32] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: That's the issue: it isn't installed and for one reason or another apt can't resolve the dependency
[21:32] <therealfakemoot> I think.
[21:33] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: well, it might work to just reinstall nvidia-331-updates -- that may remove the mesa package and make it stop caring that the mesa package didn't install correctly
[21:33] <therealfakemoot> Good call, trying that now
[21:34] <nk121> Hi #ubuntu, I'm looking to capture audio in a headless EC2 server (14.04), but i'm having trouble getting alsa and snd-dummy working. Does anyone know how to accomplish this with 14.04?
[21:34] <nk121> i've installed libasound2-dev alsa-utils alsa-oss alsa-base     but there is no snd-dummy module to be found (although there is a snd-seq-dummy, which appears to be midi related)
[21:35] <crushoverride> hello
[21:35] <therealfakemoot>  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')
[21:35] <therealfakemoot> lookit that
[21:35] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: paste?
[21:35] <therealfakemoot> Yeah, one sec
[21:36] <therealfakemoot> https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:37] <night_girl> hello i currently have this ubuntu: 2.6.35-27-generic #47-Ubuntu, what is the best way to update to the latest?
[21:37] <DasEi> therealfakemoot: try (first hand followed by --dry-run for a testride) to remove --purge complaining packages unti pt-get  updates runs fine (--fix-missing you oc already tried?)
[21:37] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: hmm. Try opening the software center GUI, at the third-party drivers tab -- see what it says there
[21:38] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: DasEi: Ahh right, I neglected to mention --purge
[21:39] <MoPac> night_girl: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[21:39] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: (all as root) apt-get update --dry-run              < result ?
[21:40] <night_girl> Release:        10.10 Codename:       maverick
[21:40] <nesretep> Anyone have any experience with kickstart installs on Ubuntu using PXE boot?
[21:40] <nk121> I guess noone is familliar with alsa/snd-dummy
[21:41] <bcowan> nk121, if you wouldnt insult them calling them dummy
[21:41] <nesretep> Anyone have any experience with kickstart installs on Ubuntu using PXE boot?
[21:41] <nk121> bcowan: the only dummy i think is me! :)
[21:41] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: update doesn't recognize --dry-run, apparently.
[21:42] <therealfakemoot> https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:42] <therealfakemoot> and I've updated the gist
[21:42] <poli> hi
[21:42] <DasEi> nesretep: no, but interestin attempt, you'll need kickstart on the pxe box, just try... hehe
[21:42] <therealfakemoot> I can't remove the package, or install over it.
[21:42] <MoPac> night_girl: Are you wanting to upgrade to a later version of Ubuntu or just to update your kernel version?
[21:42] <nesretep> I have gotten to the point where teh box PXE boots, then starts teh install but then d-i won't recognize the NIC
[21:42] <DasEi> therealfakemoot::so apt faills with a complaint about a certain package ?
[21:43] <night_girl> I just want the latest of everything
[21:43] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: Yes. nvidia-331-updates is half-installed
[21:43] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: So apparently, that means I'm not allowed to remove OR install it anymore
[21:43] <night_girl> and the flawless way of doing this that will work without issues
[21:43] <nesretep> Not sure why it doesn't reconize it during the autoinstall.  It works fine installing from DVD
[21:44] <DasEi> therealfakemoot::apt-get update --fix-missing   < result ?
[21:45] <MoPac> night_girl: I'm not sure whether an in-place upgrade from 10.10 to 14.10 can be guaranteed to work flawlessly with no issues.  Can you go into your software and updates program and see what the settings are there?
[21:45] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: it fetches a bunch of repo info and exits 0
[21:45] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: No actions
[21:46] <DasEi> therealfakemoot::dpkg-reconfigure  darnPackage  < result?
[21:46] <DasEi> dpkg*
[21:47] <therealfakemoot> er, I have to install the debconf package before I will have dpkg-reconfigure
[21:47] <therealfakemoot> and trying to install it failed, because nvidia-331-updates is in a broken state
[21:47] <night_girl> the screen shows me that it can update to 11.10 only
[21:47] <DasEi> dpkg-reconfigure  <so
[21:47] <night_girl> in updates
[21:48] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: dpkg-reconfigure  darnPackage  < result?
[21:48] <therealfakemoot> durrr
[21:48] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: DasEi: Is there anything preventing him from remove --purge-ing both the proprietary and the non-proprietry drivers and then reinstalling? (Assuming he doesn't shut down and end up with just a terminal...)
[21:48] <MoPac> s/him/him or her
[21:48] <DasEi> MoPac: I just try to single it out before killing aa bunch of intact ones, too (dependencies)
[21:49] <nesretep> Should I be in a different channel if I need help with something like a PXEboot kickstart install?  It doesn't seem like anyone has any knowledge in this area here.
[21:49] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:50] <frew> anyone have ideas on how to configure apparmor?
[21:50] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: apt-get remove darnPackage --dry-run   <result ?
[21:50] <MoPac> night_girl: Okay, so just to be sure, you have a lot of documents and settings and such on this computer, and you want to try to preserve everything, right? Even if it takes longer, you don't want to just back up your files and install the latest version -- am I reading that right?
[21:51] <night_girl> no you are wrong
[21:51] <emsy2015> k1l_: I did everything from the beginning what should I do now?
[21:51] <k1l_> night_girl: your ubuntu version is dead since years now. so better to install an actual 14.04
[21:51] <night_girl> ;p sorry to say
[21:51] <emsy2015> where do I have to chroot in?
[21:51] <MoPac> night_girl: ahhh no don't be sorry, that makes everything a lot easier.
[21:51] <DasEi> frew: I'm quite busy atm, many good tuts on te net and in the forum, simple question ask, it's got a record mode where it learns and so forms it's shield
[21:51] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:51] <k1l_> emsy2015: same thing you did all the days.
[21:52] <night_girl> I have backed up the 3 files I had in my ubuntu cause to be honest i wanst using it, but its time to take out the dust out from my ubuntu and stop using that piece of shit called windows
[21:52] <MoPac> night_girl: The best way to do this from a version that old (anyone feel free to correct me here) is just to reinstall the whole OS.
[21:52] <frew> DasEi: I couldn't figure out how to phrase my question, but basically I need to allow ptrace in a docker container
[21:52] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: apt-get remove --purge darnPackage    <result ?
[21:52] <MoPac> night_girl: Is this a dedicated Ubuntu computer or a dual-boot one with both Ubuntu and Windows?
[21:52] <emsy2015> k1l_: like that ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d$ sudo chroot /media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d/
[21:52] <night_girl> dual boot
[21:52] <k1l_> night_girl: since we know you dont upgrade that often go with the 14.04 that got 5 years support time.
[21:53] <k1l_> night_girl: if you install 14.10 you need to upgrade every 6 months
[21:53] <night_girl> oh seriously?
[21:53] <MoPac> night_girl: Do you want to keep it dual boot, or do you want to have it just running Ubuntu at the end?
[21:53] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[21:53] <night_girl> dual boot
[21:53] <night_girl> can u explain me more about that 14.10 vs 14.04 thingie?
[21:54] <k1l_> emsy2015: please re read the same discussion we had several times a day the last days. its still the same. and male sure you mount all right
[21:54] <wamicho> daftykins, i think i might be successfull now
[21:54] <MoPac> night_girl: Re upgrading every six months, you'll get different opinions, but in my experience it's really not a big deal
[21:54] <k1l_> !lts | night_girl
[21:54] <night_girl> normally i wish tu upgrade but Im just an average user who never ends up finish her job, so has even less time to upgrade and solve problems in ubuntu! i cant even get enough to finish my own daily life work!
[21:54] <night_girl> if you understand me?
[21:54] <k1l_> MoPac: but you cant stay on 14.10. since its dead after 9 months after 14.10 release. and a user that is still on 10.10 is known to be not upgrade-happy.
[21:55] <MoPac> k1l_: Read her situation, though. She didn't upgrade for so long because she actually wasn't using it as her primary OS; it was just sitting there and she was really using Windows.
[21:55] <k1l_> night_girl: so install the 14.04. then you can make one LTS_upgrade to 16.04 when that is released.
[21:56] <k1l_> MoPac: trust me. you will see that user again in 3 years, still on 14.10 and wonder why she didnt install 14.04 in the first place.
[21:56] <wamicho> daftykins, not really after rebooting everything went back to be the same
[21:56] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: kill 1681 <result ? or do a lsof before, to see what's locking it, else try from safemode
[21:56] <k1l_> MoPac: that is a common thing in here. if they decide to go non-LTS the can upgrade. but to got LTS from 14.10 is not possible
[21:57] <k1l_> (besides upgrade every 6 months until 16.04)
[21:57] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: oh my gosh, how did I miss that :|
[21:57] <MoPac> night_girl: Whether you choose 14.04 or 14.10, I think the easiest thing to do is to install it over again rather than upgrade in place, but the thing to check on first is makign sure that the dual boot setup doesn't get too mangled
[21:57] <night_girl> when was 14.04 releseased, when was 14.10, when will 16.04
[21:57] <night_girl> what do i miss if i dont upgrade every 6 months?
[21:58] <MoPac> night_girl: They refer to years and months: 14.04 = April 2014
[21:58] <k1l_> night_girl: they are named after YEAR.MONTH
[21:58] <centric> hello all
[21:58] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: There we go. Now I can remove --purge the bad package and I should be in the clear.
[21:58] <k1l_> night_girl: please read the wiki page about LTS the bot linked you. it explaines it
[21:58] <night_girl> all right but there wasnt no link in there
[21:59] <k1l_> night_girl: sorry, it didnt linkthe page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[21:59] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade < tell if packages are still hold back after that line
[21:59] <night_girl> all right ill choose one version have to htink about it a bit
[21:59] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: none held back
[22:00] <daftykins> night_girl: 14.04.2, nothing to think about :)
[22:00] <night_girl> can I just install on top of my current ubuntu using my external hard drive etc?
[22:00] <therealfakemoot> But I'm still unable to install steam
[22:00] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Now that you're in the clear, try installing ia32-libs
[22:00] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323 still at square 1
[22:00] <MoPac> night_girl: The complication that you might run into is the dual boot thing
[22:01] <k1l_> night_girl: if you install 14.10 you cant use it longer than 9 months, since after that 9 month all updates are shut down. so you need to upgrade to 15.04 then.  etc etc. so not to run into the same issue like you know have with that 10.10
[22:01] <zteam> night_girl, I you want a stable build you should choose, 14,04 only upgrade if you encounter any issues :-)
[22:01] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323 see the second file in the gist for my attempt to install ia32-libs
[22:01] <night_girl> all right, i will isntall 14.04 this time to start slowly
[22:02] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: at the risk of recommending blind keystrokes... what happens if you copy the names of those replacement packages and then apt-get install [ctrl-shift-v] ?
[22:03] <night_girl> now the question is where do i get that install? can i just save it on my external hard drive? and then do i just tell my boot to start from an external hard drive so that it lets me intsall the linux on a clean in top of my current one?
[22:03] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade < no complaints ?
[22:03] <Nikesh> In Linux Mint xfce4-terminal I would paste into vim from outside the terminal using "+gP Now I am in Ubuntu Unity with GNOME terminal but "+gP doesn't work.. what can I do?
[22:03] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: No complaints.
[22:03] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: I just updated the gist
[22:03] <MoPac> night_girl: That's a fine decision, and you'll find that if you do want upgrades then it'll be pretty easy.
[22:03] <k1l_> night_girl: just make a live-usb and install that over tha old ubuntu install.
[22:03] <fengshaun_> how can I list the files installed by a package?
[22:03] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: The first file contains my attempts to install the dependencies in question, and I was told that they're already installed
[22:04] <k1l_> night_girl: if you dont have a fancy setup the ubuntu installer should offer you a "install over old ubuntu" option
[22:04] <zteam> night_girl, you should install it on usb-pendrive with UnetBootin
[22:04] <SRK> hello ..
[22:04] <night_girl> wtf is unetbootin jesus christ
[22:04] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Sorry I wasn't clear -- I meant sudo apt-get install   lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0
[22:04] <therealfakemoot> Can't I ask apt-get or aptitude "What are the broken packages I'm holding?"
[22:04] <night_girl> is there nothing flawless to do that
[22:04] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: ah, missed aboce, hm k, again try apt-get update --fix-missing
[22:04] <k1l_> night_girl: its make you usb into a live-ubuntu usb
[22:04] <k1l_> night_girl: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[22:05] <MoPac> night_girl: or you could burn a CD
[22:05]  * centric is a centric
[22:05] <night_girl> my cd player is dead as well i think
[22:05] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: They're installing, no problem.
[22:05] <fengshaun_> night_girl: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/myusb
[22:05] <night_girl> and i dont ahve spare cs here
[22:05] <zteam> night_girl, I was about to give you a link girl....
[22:05] <fengshaun_> night_girl: you can find /dev/myusb through fdisk -l
[22:05] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: But it hasn't changed the steam installation.
[22:05] <zteam> night_girl, here you go http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[22:05] <night_girl> all right im on my ubuntu now though
[22:05] <k1l_> night_girl: see my official link from ubuntu
[22:05] <night_girl> can i install that thingie on ubuntu
[22:06] <k1l_> night_girl: yes. start the usb creator
[22:06] <night_girl> wheres the usb creator
[22:06] <night_girl> btw i have a lot of important things on my usb
[22:06] <night_girl> is that fine?
[22:06] <k1l_> night_girl: they all get deleted
[22:06] <MoPac> night_girl: k1l_: Maybe doing in-place upgrades is actually the way to go here, even if it takes a little while?
[22:06] <night_girl> well thats not fine then
[22:07] <MoPac> night_girl: k1l_: In-place upgrades would also have the added benefit of not messing with the dual-boot config, right?
[22:07] <zteam> night_girl,  those will be deleted once you create your memory, so be sure to back them up first :-)
[22:07] <therealfakemoot> DasEi: apt-get update --fix-missing just downloaded package info and had zero actions
[22:07] <k1l_> MoPac: form 10.10? that is possible but really really a long effort
[22:07] <k1l_> MoPac: dualboot is not an issue
[22:07] <DasEi> therealfakemoot: it can, dpkg is even more mighty, I'm done with my beside done work for now, prbly directly ask someone expereinced /w steam (their HP ?) repo needed ? idk https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[22:08] <MoPac> k1l_: "dualboot is not an issue" -- famous last words!
[22:08] <k1l_> MoPac: what is an issue then?
[22:09] <DasEi> therealfakemoot:: apt-get dist-upgrade maybe, I'm not firm /w repos,versions,backports whatever concerning steam
[22:10] <therealfakemoot> It's just confounding that I upgraded from 14.04 or whatever to 14.10 and all of a sudden I have to uninstall steam and skype and now I'm in dependency hell
[22:10] <therealfakemoot> what happened?
[22:10] <Bl3u2or> phpstorm on ubuntu 14.04. im not sure where to save the files. which is best? save php files in home dir or in var/www? if in var/www, what permission should be set then? if in homedir, how do i set that up in a safe way?
[22:10] <zteam> therealfakemoot, try sudo apt-get install -f
[22:10] <lgs> olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:11] <lgs> haw are u
[22:11] <therealfakemoot> zteam: Nothing. "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:11] <therealfakemoot> "
[22:11] <tc_> Can anyone explaine me what are the consoles for here on ubuntu?
[22:11] <lgs> olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:11] <MoPac> k1l_: There are a lot of people who have had problems setting up or maintaining dual-boot installations -- I don't want to stray off topic and debate various causes. I just wanted to flag it up as a potential concern
[22:11] <emsy2015> how to set up chroot properly? I' m just reading that thread and it says Chroot into the /mnt: sudo chroot /mnt
[22:11] <k1l_> lgs: please ubuntu support only in here.
[22:12] <emsy2015> kl
[22:12] <zteam> therealfakemoot, what about sudo apt-get check ?
[22:12] <k1l_> emsy2015: come on. you did that already 10 times
[22:12] <therealfakemoot> zteam: also nothing
[22:12] <emsy2015> k1l_ but you said I didn' t do that properly
[22:12] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Okay, so right now, having installed those three ia32-libs replacements, what happens when you try to install steam?
[22:13] <emsy2015> sudo chroot /mnt. I have to replace /mnt with media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d shouldn' t I?
[22:13] <jhutchins> emsy2015: You chroot into wherever you built the chroot.
[22:13] <zteam> therealfakemoot, if that commands exist fine then your package system should be just fine
[22:13] <lgs> eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:13] <k1l_> emsy2015: yes. you did it not right this time. so you got an error anywhere and did not stop but carry on. so please start from the beginning and see if there is an error
[22:13] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[22:13] <MoPac> zteam: the basic issue isn't his package system, it's a steam dependency probelm
[22:13] <zteam> try to install something like gksu or aptitude
[22:14] <emsy2015> k1l_ I' ve mounted everything from the beginning
[22:14] <night_girl> so where i can that pendrive booter for linux as im under my 10.10 right now
[22:14] <therealfakemoot> zteam: I've been trying to make it work with aptitude, but all its alternative resolutions are insane; they require uninstalling 400+ pacakges, stuff like pidgin and chromium and EVERYTHING, JUST to meet these Steam dependencies.
[22:14] <k1l_> emsy2015: use the same steps you did last time.
[22:14] <therealfakemoot> zteam: It's friggin insane
[22:14] <k1l_> night_girl: you got a usb pendrive you can erase completly?
[22:14] <therealfakemoot> Oh yeah, aptitude wants to uninstall compiz if it's going to install steam.
[22:14] <emsy2015> so should I install linux-generic again, k1l?
[22:14] <therealfakemoot> So that sounds horrifically wrong
[22:14] <night_girl> yes i do
[22:15] <k1l_> emsy2015: after you setup the chroot completly
[22:15] <zteam> therealfakemoot, sudo apt get install aptitude
[22:15] <night_girl> a 16gb one
[22:15] <therealfakemoot> zteam: it's already installed?
[22:15] <k1l_> night_girl: ok. download the ubuntu iso form ubuntu.com
[22:15] <therealfakemoot> zteam: I tried letting aptitude intelligently resolve the issue, before I came here.
[22:15] <zteam> therealfakemoot, then sudo apt get why-not skype
[22:16] <emsy2015> k1l_, just to make sure http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507184/
[22:16] <night_girl> yes but how do i create the ubuntu booter on a hard drive
[22:16] <therealfakemoot> zteam: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323
[22:16] <therealfakemoot> see skype.txt
[22:16] <MoPac> night_girl: program called unetbootin
[22:16] <k1l_> night_girl: we use a terminal command if you got the iso downloaded
[22:16] <zteam> night_girl, unetbootin can help you with that
[22:16] <k1l_> night_girl: so if you got that just tell and we carry on.
[22:17] <crushoverride> :3 why not using dd
[22:17] <k1l_> emsy2015: ok, looks good so far. now chroot
[22:17] <ONIONjuice> hii
[22:17] <night_girl> all right wait im downloadint thanks
[22:18] <zteam> therealfakemoot, do you have any third-party repos in your sources.list ?
[22:18] <lasko> joi/window splith 12
[22:18] <lasko> oops
[22:19] <wamicho_> daftykins, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[22:19] <zteam> therealfakemoot, have you run sudo apt-get update  to let it refresh the links ?
[22:19] <therealfakemoot> zteam: google chrome
[22:19] <therealfakemoot> zteam: the rest came with ubuntu
[22:20] <daftykins> wamicho_: why are you linking me to a page for an issue you're resolving? :)
[22:20] <Hardtail> when using virtualbox to run ubuntu, the lack of 3d acceleration would just be noticeable with unity and 3d programs correct?
[22:20] <wamicho_> daftykins, there is the answer for now did couple of reboots no issues
[22:20] <emsy2015> k1l_ the last time you said I did not chroot properly so I don' t want to make the same mistake again. How do you chroot?
[22:20] <jhutchins> !chroot
[22:20] <therealfakemoot> zteam: I've done that at least five hundreds times today
[22:21] <daftykins> wamicho_: that page was something i was considering linking myself, but all it does is say what i already said - to install nvidia-331 and nvidia-prime - what are you getting at?
[22:21] <therealfakemoot> zteam: I've done it again and observed no change in my problem.
[22:21] <v_Sully> Hey all, can someone tell if there is a log of error codes for start up? having some issues and I see what looks like error code  just before the splash screen on load
[22:21] <cetex> hm. i need to catch errors in upstart. for example, service dying for some reason.
[22:21] <zteam> therealfakemoot, disable that repo then, and then run sudo apt-get update
[22:21] <cetex> and do some stuff when that happens
[22:21] <cetex> how can i catch failed starts and run something then?
[22:21] <k1l_> emsy2015: the pastebin you showed was not running on the chroot but on the original live-usb system. so that chroot must have brought you an error
[22:22] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Just to confirm, you can't install either of the steam dependencies without apt telling you it's going to remove nvidia-331 - is that correct?
[22:22] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: No, actually. Those dependencies are already installed.
[22:23] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: hmm. So steam is telling you that it depends on a certain package, and -- letter for letter -- that package is already installed?
[22:23] <wamicho_> daftykins, ok did not know .. but apparently after following that it works now ..
[22:23] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: https://gist.github.com/therealfakemoot/51790dcb3ee1fd084323 see steam.txt
[22:23] <daftykins> wamicho_: i'm very confused, as every time i said to run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 nvidia-prime"
[22:24] <daftykins> anyway i've clocked out, shift's over ;)
[22:24] <emsy2015> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507260/
[22:24] <k1l_> emsy2015: sudo chroot /path/you/mounted/your/ubuntuinstall
[22:24] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Ever used Synaptic to look at dependencies? I sometimes find it easier to navigate. for fine details Could you check on steam in there and see if it tells you exactly what versions of those mesa packages it's depending on?
[22:24] <k1l_> emsy2015: what command did you run to chroot?
[22:25] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Then also see in Synaptic what precise versions you successfully installed
[22:25] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Meh. Worth a shot.
[22:25] <emsy2015> k1l: ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d$ sudo chroot /media/ubuntu/e1784e0c-eacf-49ed-8873-c0ae2f1a638d/
[22:25] <k1l_> emsy2015: and did that make a message (error) afterwards?
[22:25] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: At some point I feel like I'm going to say "XOrg-Edgers" (and your machine will probably explode at the mention)
[22:25] <emsy2015> k1l_ nope
[22:25] <k1l_> emsy2015: ok
[22:26] <k1l_> emsy2015: please do a "apt-cache policy linux-generic"
[22:26] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: I have that in sources.list.d
[22:26] <emsy2015> k1l: while chroot?
[22:26] <wamicho_> daftykins, i was forgetting the nvidia-common
[22:26] <k1l_> emsy2015: yes, dont leave that chroot now until we have all insatlled we want to
[22:26] <daftykins> nah you already had that the first time.
[22:27] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: ahhh, well, there's an interesting thing. Try removing Xorg-edgers
[22:27] <emsy2015> k1l_: did that, installed (none)
[22:27] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: then update and upgrade (which may well be downgrade).  If you're getting Xorg-edgers packages, they might actually be too *new* for Steam
[22:27] <k1l_> emsy2015: please pastebin
[22:27] <cetex> duh.. post-stop was the solution. :)
[22:28] <k1l_> emsy2015: details matter to see if everything is going well
[22:28] <emsy2015> k1l: sure, no problem. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507305/
[22:28] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: No dice. Same dependency conflict, and Synaptic came to the same conclusion that aptitude did: it'll have to remove a buttload of stuff like compiz, pidgin, and so on to satisfy the steam dependencies
[22:28] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: That's why I was suggesting looking at synaptic -- it might be that steam requires a version that's not just no earlier than X but also no later than Y
[22:29] <wamicho_> daftykins, did work then don't know either you saw the pastebins ... Anyway thanks a lot ..!!
[22:30] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: So you removed (and remove --purge)'d all the edgers Xorg things and then tried steam? (I was going to say that seemed really quick, but I guess if you're running nvidia drivers, you might not actually have had much Xorg stuff going)
[22:30] <wamicho_> i mean didn't work
[22:30] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Well, I update && upgrade'd
[22:30] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: And nothing changed.
[22:30] <k1l_> emsy2015: so is your installed ubuntu a 14.04?
[22:31] <MoPac> In synaptic, if you find one of the mesa packages that steam depends on, can you set the preferred source for it?
[22:31] <emsy2015> k1l_: ahaha, omg.. the version on cd is 14.04 but on hdd it' s 14.10
[22:31] <k1l_> emsy2015: are you sure about that?
[22:32] <emsy2015> k1l: absolutely!
[22:32] <jjavaholic> is it possible to get google chrcome browser to use the systemwide flash and not the pepperflash? would it just be as easy as removing pepperflash?
[22:32] <maurizio13> ciao
[22:32] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: http://i.imgur.com/8lZ6Dlo.jpg
[22:32] <k1l_> emsy2015: because that is a trusty system you are actually in. so eihter you have a 14.04 installed or the chroot is wrong again
[22:33] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: and the "Force Version" options include *one* version of the package.
[22:33] <emsy2015> k1l_:the ubuntu I installed on cd was 14.04
[22:34] <Bl4ckD34Th> sal
[22:35] <k1l_> emsy2015: please pastebin a "mount"
[22:35] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: yep, looks like you do have the plain version of them... looked like a good lead
[22:35] <night_girl> so now i have a 16Gb pendirve with some data that can be overwritten and i have the iso of ubuntu
[22:36] <emsy2015> k1l_:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507446/
[22:36] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: So was there any minimum version info for steam in synaptic?
[22:36] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Maybe now's a good time to finally ditch Ubuntu
[22:36] <k1l_> night_girl: ok, so please put the usb in and then show the last 20 lines of "dmesg" in a pastebin please
[22:36] <k1l_> !paste | night_girl
[22:36] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Yes. libc6 and libstdc++6 are the only minimum versions specified.
[22:37] <k1l_> emsy2015: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" please too
[22:37] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: One thing -- is steam now offered in 64 as well as 32?
[22:37] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: Probably not.
[22:37] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: I honestly don't know. I've enver seen the option
[22:38] <emsy2015> k1l_:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507478/
[22:38] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: some of this may boil down to differences in 32 vs 64-bit files -- your OS is 64, right?
[22:38] <therealfakemoot> Yeah.
[22:38] <k1l_> emsy2015: so its not a 14.10 at all that you got installed there
[22:39] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: what happens when you try to install steam-launcher ?
[22:39] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: no such package
[22:39] <emsy2015> k1l: it looks like 13.04
[22:39] <k1l_> emsy2015: so "apt-get install linux-generic"
[22:39] <night_girl> there you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507497/
[22:39] <k1l_> emsy2015: does that produce an error again?
[22:40] <emsy2015> the same error, k1l
[22:40] <emsy2015> k1l,E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[22:40] <k1l_> night_girl: is it still in?
[22:40] <k1l_> emsy2015: apt-get update
[22:40] <night_girl> it is in yes
[22:40] <k1l_> emsy2015: after that: "dpkg --configure -a"
[22:41] <emsy2015> k1l, after update the same error
[22:41] <emsy2015> should I still go with dpkg...
[22:41] <Geeky_Vin> #clojure
[22:41] <k1l_> night_girl: ok, you seem to have connected and disconnected several things there so i want to be sure not to erase the wrong one. so please show a "sudo fdisk -l" small L at the end in a pastebin please
[22:41] <MoPac> Do you have this repo in your sources? - http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ ( therealfakemoot: )
[22:41] <k1l_> emsy2015: yes
[22:42] <emsy2015> k1l_: done succesfuly
[22:42] <k1l_> emsy2015: after that "apt-get update"
[22:43] <emsy2015> k1l_ done
[22:43] <k1l_> emsy2015: then "apt-get install linux-generic"
[22:43] <night_girl> here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507543/
[22:43] <night_girl> so here you can see how i have my disk in general
[22:44] <night_girl> i just wanna override my current ubuntu as discussed
[22:44] <emsy2015> k1l: E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - openpty (2: No such file or directory)
[22:44] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: So even though "Precise" is the only distribution listed in that repp, it does offer 32 and 64-bit versions from there, and I'm pretty sure that's what I run
[22:44] <emsy2015> k1l: but still unpacking something...
[22:45] <k1l_> emsy2015: show all the output with commands in a pastebin when its done
[22:45] <brownfaux> so is there an ubuntu distro that doesn't have a desktop env or one prebuilt with i3?
[22:45] <Tenebris> server version?
[22:45] <brownfaux> ah yes
[22:46] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: probably not
[22:46] <emsy2015> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507558/
[22:46] <k1l_> night_girl: now we use the terminal tool DD to install the iso onto the usb: "sudo dd bs=1M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdc"
[22:46] <jhutchins> night_girl: Easy way is sudo dd if=<isofile> of=/dev/sdc
[22:47] <k1l_> night_girl: if you are in the same folder as the ubuntu.........iso then just write "if=ubuntu.....iso" for that if=/path/to/iso thing
[22:48] <k1l_> emsy2015: should be done
[22:48] <therealfakemoot> MoPac: and adding that source didn't change anything. same dependency problem
[22:49] <k1l_> emsy2015: not try to run a "update-grub"
[22:49] <emsy2015> k1l: is it time to unmount everything and reboot?
[22:49] <k1l_> *now
[22:49] <winterchillz> Need a bit of help - trying to remap a key, but xev says "xev: warning: could not set default locale xev:  unable to open display ''; Any idea how to fix this?
[22:49] <jsdkhbe> irc://irc.abjects.net:6667/moviegods
[22:50] <emsy2015> kl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10507615/
[22:50] <nash> hi guys I have a freeze after login problem. If I switch to tty1 I see many I/O errors on a block. This is my smartmontools log: Here is my smartmontools log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10506563/
[22:50] <MoPac> therealfakemoot: Well, at this point I guess I would say that a forum post here might be a decent bet. The thread is quite active, including someone wanting to look at logs just a few days ago https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2800
[22:51] <k1l_> emsy2015: now "exit" to exit chroot. reboot. and test
[22:52] <night_girl> sudo dd bs=1M if=ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc 996+0 records in 996+0 records out<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 162.409 s, 6.4 MB/s
[22:52] <k1l_> night_girl: now type "sync" and wait until its done
[22:53] <night_girl> done
[22:53] <k1l_> now you can reboot and boot from that usb and get the live ubuntu going to install the ubuntu from there
[22:54] <night_girl> does the pendrive needs to be penetrated in the ubs while rebooting?
[22:54] <winterchillz> Need a bit of help - trying to remap a key, but xev says "xev: warning: could not set default locale xev:  unable to open display ''; Any idea how to fix this?
[22:54] <night_girl> what is the option so that it boots from the usb drive when restarting?
[22:54] <k1l_> night_girl: just let the usb stick put in and see if that works.
[22:55] <night_girl> all right...see you in half an hour when i have completely installed this thing
[22:55] <night_girl> half an hour is a good estimate?
[22:56] <k1l_> night_girl: you could join irc from the live ubuntu if you need assistance.
[22:56] <night_girl> thx see u ill report back and ill carry riding forward now with the installation
[22:59] <therealfakemoot> MobGod: Yeah, seems like the only tack left to take
[23:01] <therealfakemoot> er
[23:03] <nash> hi guys I have a freeze after login problem. If I switch to tty1 I see many I/O errors on a block. This is my smartmontools log: Here is my smartmontools log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10506563/
[23:05] <bekks> nash: The disk is about to fail, you should replace it.
[23:05] <bekks> And you should have a backup handy.
[23:06] <nash> bekks, ahh are the logs so terrible?
[23:13] <bekks> nash: Yes. :)
[23:19] <Guest46412> irc://irc.mozilla.org/chatzilla
[23:19] <roezer> #join newbies
[23:20] <roezer> hey all
[23:21] <muscles> hey hey
[23:36] <umbra_purus> hey. Is there a version of Ubuntu for Intel? 'cause the iso i've download is for amd64 and i'm using on a laptop with an i7 Processor
[23:36] <ikonia> amd64 is for intel
[23:36] <ikonia> it's just the 64bit version
[23:38] <umbra_purus> oh i thought it was for amd arquitecture
[23:38] <ikonia> nope
[23:39] <ikonia> safe for intel
[23:39] <k1l_> the patent for 64bit is from amd but intel uses the same technologie.
[23:39] <Bashing-om> umbra_purus: I think I read where AMD holds the patent .
[23:40] <compdoc> amd64 is awesome
[23:40] <daftykins> wat
[23:41] <umbra_purus> oh so I should have no problem coding in linux with intel processors right?
[23:41] <ikonia> no
[23:41] <muscles> nope - no problems
[23:41] <umbra_purus> okay thanks
 umbra_purus: I think I read where AMD holds the patent .
[23:41] <WilliamDotSI> sort of
[23:42] <WilliamDotSI> it was a deal between AMD and Intel to exchange some technology
[23:42] <WilliamDotSI> to avoid Intel being sued for many counts of illegal things they did
[23:45] <wldcordeiro> I'm needing to increase the swap space on a vm I'm running (Ubuntu 14.04) how could I go about that?
[23:46] <daftykins> add a second virtual disk and make that the swap
[23:46] <wldcordeiro> daftykins: that's probably easier in vbox rather than vagrant
[23:46] <wldcordeiro> huh?
[23:47] <daftykins> how do i know what you're running?
[23:48] <wldcordeiro> Is there a command that tells Ubuntu that the other virtual disk is the swap? Otherwise it would just be an additional drive.
[23:48] <daftykins> you partition it, make it swap, turn swap on...
[23:48] <ikonia> wldcordeiro: you have to make a swap partition on the disk
[23:48] <muscles> you would specify it in /etc/fstab
[23:48] <ikonia> you don't have to set it in /etc/fstab
[23:50] <wldcordeiro> ikonia: very vague, what would be the command to partition?
[23:50] <ikonia> wldcordeiro: any partition tool you like, marke the partition as swap, mkswap, then swapon
[23:52] <Nimbus_> Hello All, I have a thermaltake blac x but Ubuntu will not recognize it
[23:52] <Nimbus_> any suggestions?
[23:53] <daftykins> a what?
[23:53] <Nimbus_> Hdd Dock
[23:53] <daftykins> SATA to USB?
[23:53] <Nimbus_> Thermaltake Blac X is the brand/Model
[23:53] <Nimbus_> yes
[23:53] <daftykins> unplug it
[23:53] <Bergcube> I just installed Hexchat. I can connect to Freenode without problems, but not Undernet. Trying to connect to any undernet server I get an error saying "no ident response". I've left everything default except my nick, username, real name, etc.
[23:53] <bekks> And did you put a HDD into it? :)
[23:53] <daftykins> open a terminal, run "dmesg | tail" then plug it back in and run it again
[23:54] <Nimbus_> yes bekks
[23:54] <Nimbus_> :)
[23:54] <daftykins> Bergcube: that's not a bad error, that's just common and informational.
[23:54] <daftykins> give it more time to connect perhaps
[23:55] <Bergcube> daftykins, Ok, good.  It's been cycling through the list for more than 30 minutes....
[23:55] <daftykins> 'the list' ?
[23:55] <Bergcube> daftykins, The list of available Undernet servers.
[23:55] <mntmse> hi guys, just wondering if anyone can help me with a partioning issue i'm having?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/592030/please-help-me-rescue-my-installation-on-macbook-pro
[23:55] <Nimbus_> it's been awhile now
[23:55] <mntmse> please
[23:56] <daftykins> can you share a pastebin of some actual connection logs? guessing isn't so effective
[23:56] <daftykins> !ask | mntmse
[23:56] <mntmse> thanks ubottu
[23:56] <Bergcube> daftykins, Sure.  Hang on.
[23:56] <mntmse> !ask
[23:56] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[23:56] <daftykins> mntmse: no, i typed that to make the bot tell you that message. now you can ask your question :)
[23:56] <mntmse> ahh lol
[23:57] <Bergcube> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10508227/
[23:58] <mntmse> I have a Macbook Pro (Mid 2012) 2.3 Intel Core i7 with 8GB of RAM. I'm aiming to dual boot Ubuntu with OS X and I'm nearly there. The version of Ubuntu is 13.04 as it's compatible with my computer.  I installed Ubuntu and I'm not getting the "missing operating system" error when I try to boot into it.  I'm using rEFInd as my boot manager. Here is my hard drive layout:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/10508238/
[23:58] <Bergcube> daftykins, It's like that.  On and on.
[23:58] <daftykins> Bergcube: my bet would be wrong domains or port numbers, check their website and try manually creating a server with correct config
[23:58] <mntmse> A few things I"m unsure of. I don't know why disk0s4 is called Microsoft Basic Data...... and i'm sure that swap partion is messed up too
[23:58] <daftykins> mntmse: no you can't use 13.04, it's EOL
[23:58] <daftykins> !13.04 | mntmse
[23:59] <daftykins> dead with many security flaws, now
[23:59] <mntmse> daftykins:  i used that because of my computer version
[23:59] <mntmse> ubuntu recommended it
[23:59] <mntmse> so i should use the more latest one?
[23:59] <ikonia> mntmse: 14.04 is supported just fine
[23:59] <ikonia> as is 14.10
[23:59] <mntmse> ok thanks
[23:59] <ikonia> 13.04 is EOL so it is unmaintained
[23:59] <mntmse> how do you think I should fix the partition issues?
[23:59] <Bergcube> daftykins, Thanks a lot!  Will do.  I'll ask again if it doesn't help.
[23:59] <ikonia> install a current version
[23:59] <daftykins> mntmse: perhaps you're referring to the mactel wiki page, which is not saying 'install and old version' at all :)
[23:59] <ikonia> and I don't see what the "partition problem" is