[04:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/669/wobbly-windows/
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:26] <ducasse> good morning
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ^
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:49] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well today?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse , yeah fine here, and you?
[10:51] <ducasse> i'm ok, just come home from shopping groceries
[10:52] <ducasse> raining a bit, although not much
[10:55] <BluesKaj> it's dry as a bone here, no rain for almost 3 weeks
[10:55] <BluesKaj> or very little
[10:58] <BluesKaj> damn uefi, users ar still having trouble , even with auto installs on clean hdd-disks
[10:58] <ducasse> we've had a little bit, but not enough to make a real impact
[10:59] <ducasse> uefi has never given me any problems, but i think i'm lucky enough to have a fairly good implementation
[11:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, had no trouble on my laptop, but I used legacy on the desktop ..still boots very fast less then 10secs from post page to desktop
[11:01] <BluesKaj> counting the login
[11:02] <BluesKaj> to me uefi is useless since I don't use windows anywhere
[11:03] <ducasse> it's nice if you boot more than one distro on one machine
[11:04] <BluesKaj> my laptop had problems without uefi so i finally succumbed and followed a very well written tutorial to install Kubuntu using gpt/eufi
[11:05] <BluesKaj> what's the advantage over legacy with 2 distros on one pc?
[11:09] <ducasse> i just think it's handled in a nicer way, each distro gets a subdir on the efi partition
[11:17] <TJ-> And other OSes don't stamp on the bootloader, so it plays nicely with Windows etc
[11:22] <BluesKaj> no more windows on my machines
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> !info roxterm cosmic
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: me neither, ubuntu everywhere here
[11:24] <ducasse> !info roxterm xenial
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> aha
[11:25] <BluesKaj> I have 3 Kubuntu machines and one RPI3 with Raspbian
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> little gap
[11:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: ^^ that was when it was last in the repos
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> cool ducasse
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what purpose has your pi?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> basically a toy at first , then I thought of it as an alternative pc in case my other/older pc died, but then my son gave me a new MSIZ370 board with 15cpu and 16GB Ram m so now the RPI3 is basically idle
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:29] <BluesKaj> so it's just a toy again
[11:33] <BluesKaj> guess I could use it as a Kodi box, but I have Kodi on 2 other machines already
[11:34] <tomreyn> looks like the community wiki's CSS got broken? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[11:34] <tomreyn> main page now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !register
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: forward it to the ops plz
[11:35] <tomreyn> main page on jan 2 http://web.archive.org/web/20180103071122/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
[11:35] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: which ones?
[11:36] <tomreyn> ircops seems like the wrong place to report it
[11:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: thanks for the bug updates; the reproducer is a pain. I was up until 4am working on it last night. Feeling very frazzled right now :)
[11:37] <tomreyn> guess i'll report the broken css to #canonical-sysadmin although community stuff isn't really their domain.
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> or perhaps wiki team
[11:37] <tomreyn> TJ-: i read over it, was worrying about your sanity ;)
[11:38] <TJ-> LOL yeah, it's a weird one...they named the function well though ..._racy_  ... I'm thinking there's a timing issue somewhere
[11:38] <tomreyn> not really, but you seem to do a good (maybe too good?) job on focussing on issues
[11:39] <tomreyn> i can be the same if i really want to work something out.
[11:39] <TJ-> But I still am annoyed there's no explanation why Ubuntu is still using a 2012 release of polkit and backporting rather than keeping with upstream! Doesn't make sense, and I bet that is where the issue is
[11:39] <tomreyn> yes this strikes me as wrong, too
[11:39] <TJ-> I read through all the commits on upstream and there's been some major changes.
[11:40] <TJ-> so you'd have to know about all of those, and their implications, in backporting. Canonical has never been great at that kind of thing either
[11:41] <TJ-> For those wondering what we're talking about: possible regression due to a CVE patch backport in Policykit. Bug #1784964
[11:42] <tomreyn> debian also got 0.105 everywhere excpet in experimental
[11:42] <TJ-> right, and Ubuntu syncs from debian then backports! What a mess
[11:42] <tomreyn> i guess this can be why, see its all their fault!!11 ;-)
[11:42] <TJ-> I wonder if there's anything in the mailing lists as to why
[11:43] <tomreyn> you'll be all frazzled tomorrow morning.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:44] <TJ-> I'm trying to have a day off today! Been hard at programming since last Saturday. Crash-course in Ruby/Vagrant to hack vagrant-mutate to fix bugs before I can move on with another project!
[11:51] <tomreyn> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're spending this much effort on it, i guess it can and will affect many users.
[11:53] <TJ-> I don't like bugs that can pop up like this at inconvenient moments. That usually then happens at the worst possible time. Like me yesterday - only fired up this PC to access some devices only it has the credentials for... should take 5 minutes... 3 hours later still trying to figure out why I can't read logs :)
[11:53] <BluesKaj> that bot attack just resumed on #ubuntu
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> its all over BluesKaj freenode all channels, other networks
[12:07] <guiverc> couldn't they make the channel +r (at least for a few days), it worked well on the few channels I 'live' in
[12:07] <TJ-> most of the Ubuntu channels were +r yesterday
[12:07] <TJ-> where's hggdh when needed!? :)
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> what a bad timing for .1
[12:08] <TJ-> It's a great way to collect lists of compromised IP addresses that should be blacklisted though :)
[12:09] <guiverc> yeah, was looking back & was done to this channel ... unit193 did it on some channels...
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> this botnet is surely an insider, one of his bots name in #gnome this morning was 'bazhang7'
[12:09] <TJ-> nah, that's just the way it is generating nicknames from those it sees
[12:10] <TJ-> what gets me is the text is generally the same, the servers themselves could k-line any client that sends that text without sending the text onto the network
[12:11] <guiverc> TJ-, i agree; that's the way I'd stop it (until I worked out a smarter way..); though maybe some coder is testing a better fix (just hasn't got it working yet....
[12:12] <TJ-> they must be slower than me learning Ruby then :p
[12:12] <TJ-> I've deployed complex lambdas but got no idea how they achieve what they do :D
[12:13] <TJ-> all because Ruby doesn't have the concept of static local variables in methods
[12:14] <guiverc> :)
[12:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: so, we have another victim... using KDE
[13:01] <hggdh> most of the namespace is under +r; some channels decide for themselves, some other we enforce
[14:05] <pauljw> hi everyone
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[14:06] <pauljw> morning BluesKaj
[14:07] <BluesKaj> praying for rain here
[14:07] <daftykins> been a while since the last?
[14:08] <pauljw> :( sorry about that, we've been luck here and have had plenty.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> right
[14:08] <BluesKaj> almost 3 weeks since
[14:08] <pauljw> ouch
[14:10] <BluesKaj> bush is tinder dry ....forest fires all over our region ..not real close to us, but the potential is there
[14:10] <daftykins> that's pretty scary
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 20 min t-storms don't do much except start new fires if the lightning strikes
[14:12] <pauljw> that's not good.
[14:13] <pauljw> i joke about hating mowing the yard, but would much rather have to cut twice a week than to have worry about it catching fire...
[14:14] <BluesKaj> a major hwy might be closed if the fire nearby gets much closer than 3 miles....the smoke is already causing visibility problems
[14:19] <BluesKaj> hope my daughter can get through tomorrow on that hwy without having to do a detour
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[16:52] <tomreyn> TJ-: i see, so it's definitely not gnome / gtk related, good to have this ruled out.
[16:55] <TJ-> it's a weird one for sure. obviously related to login procedures. I think it's something to do with systemd session management - something like a lightdm session doesn't associate UID correctly with the user-slice, but console login does. That'd explain why the order of console terminal vs GUI terminal makes a difference
[16:57] <TJ-> i also noticed libpam-kwallet* were updated, and I see lightdm/kwallet error messages in syslog. So far I've not thought of a way that would cause the symptom though
[16:58] <tomreyn> TJ-: does screen locking work for you on the affected system, though?
[16:58] <TJ-> I believe so, but not tried it. I'll test.
[16:58] <tomreyn> my other issues are chromium-browser taking forever to load and the system not shutting down properly becuse session manager fails to shut down my users' session
[16:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: Yes
[16:59] <tomreyn> okay so i guess i do have another issue on 16.04
[16:59] <tomreyn> an additional issue
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: im idling in #gnome they just have +cnt, spambots all day
[17:01] <TJ-> do you see "lightdm: pam_kwallet5(lightdm:session): pam_kwallet5: Impossible to write walletKey to walletPipe" in auth.log ?
[17:05] <tomreyn> TJ-: plenty, but it's a couple hours ago now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rz5PMY4648/
[17:07] <TJ-> tomreyn: right, so just like 16.04 where it used to complain that pam_kwallet.so not found all the time :)
[17:08] <tomreyn> TJ-: this IS 16.04
[17:08] <TJ-> tomreyn: is that a liveISO instance? I notice mine shows "pam_kwallet5: final socket path: /run/user/1000/kwallet5.socket" <--- note the path diff
[17:09] <tomreyn> i dont have an affected 18.04 system at this time.
[17:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: ahhh, 16.04 possibly used /tmp instead. Can't recall seeing that on 16.04 before upgrade though
[17:10] <tomreyn> ~/.xsession-errors contains this line: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting PAM_KWALLET_LOGIN=/tmp/kwallet_user1.socket
[17:10] <tomreyn> and this docket exists.
[17:10] <tomreyn> *socket
[17:21] <TJ-> oh, thanks for making me look! I found something suspicious but launchpad won't accept comments right now.
[17:21] <TJ-> Just noticed in $HOME/.xsession-errors the following:
[17:21] <TJ-> (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:4029): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: 15:04:54.498: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[17:23] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yes indeed, but it seems the bots are learning, and (for the moment) not getting in channels where they found +r
[17:24] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: since +r is rather restrictive, we would like to take it out as soon as possible, We can set it on again if needed
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> Suddenly the support question about Hiri makes total sense where it came from
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> posted yesterday: https://itsfoss.com/hiri-email-review/
[17:27] <tomreyn> i got those in syslog, TJ
[17:28] <tomreyn> but i think those have always been all over the place
[17:35] <nacc> 16.04.5 released
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> yay!
[17:59] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: oh goodness, good luck
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> nacc: It's a ... if it's more than a keyboard mapping issue... I'm going to tell them to backup what they can, wipe the machine and start over
[18:05] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: i'm super confused by their symptoms. Are they logged in now? How do they know their password doesn't work, etc?
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> I think they're local system is set to autologin to GUI, which allows them access right now. I honestly have a feeling they just forgot they changed their password
[18:12] <nacc> right
[18:12] <nacc> could easily be
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> I wish them the best
[18:46] <tomreyn> https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=153323015508428&w=2
[21:39]  * hggdh wonders how bad Red Hat is doing with a 3.6 kernel officially supported on RH 6.9
[21:39] <nacc> heh
[21:39] <nacc> they have some good kernel engineers ;)
[21:40] <hggdh> oh, but it is outdated!
[21:40] <nacc> i have no idea how they deal with spectre/meltdown, if they do
[21:40] <hggdh> :-)
[21:40] <nacc> heh
[21:41] <hggdh> they probably backported somehow. Given the size of the kernel teams there, I would not be really surprised
[21:41] <nacc> yeah, I'm just not even sure how you'd backport some of those changes
[21:41] <nacc> they were hard enough to move back a few ubuntu versions
[21:42] <hggdh> I know. But there must have been a LOT of pressure on the kernel team there to Do Something.
[21:42] <nacc> yeah, absolutely
[21:43] <nacc> their customers would have happily paid for it
[21:44] <hggdh> oh, I am sorry, just checked at one of the servers. RH 6.9 running with kernel 2.6
[21:45] <nacc> even better! :)
[21:45] <hggdh> :-)
[22:04] <daftykins> my my, making old android phones look current ;D
[22:07] <mwsb> daftykins: arch is the best thing for serious devops
[22:07] <daftykins> you know it! :)
[22:07] <mwsb> Lol
[22:08] <daftykins> second to a gentoo stage 1 install of course
[22:08] <daftykins> if that was their term for the compile-everything one
[22:08] <mwsb> But you don't understand all the flaws
[22:09] <daftykins> that's true, i must only use something where i know the true extent of broken-ness
[22:09] <mwsb> Lol
[22:09] <daftykins> for the other guys - we had someone arguing that arch should be used on production servers because it's the only distro you can install 'minimal' - and then it's the most stable because they know all if its' flaws
[22:10] <daftykins> xD
[22:14] <daftykins> mwsb: i'm imagining zipper running servers as being a dude spinning plates on sticks now :D
[22:15] <daftykins> "it is ok, because we know all the problems, 1) the plate could crack 2) gravity"
[22:16] <mwsb> Lol
[22:24] <ducasse> \o daftykins - picked up your bike?
[22:24] <daftykins> sure did - and am very disappointed
[22:47] <toto_> hi
[22:48] <daftykins> lo
[22:49] <toto_> i have just finish ubuntu 18 installation on my computer
[22:49] <toto_> and it works perfectly
[22:49] <toto_> so happy
[22:49] <toto_> ;-)
[22:52] <Bashing-om> !yay | toto_
[22:54] <toto_> i'm discovering it and i like everything for the moment
[22:54] <toto_> because usually i install debian or fedora
[22:56] <toto_> i'm french and you?
[22:57] <Bashing-om> toto_: Arkansas ridge runner .
[23:00] <toto_> nick toto_fr
[23:01] <tomreyn> here's a current flash utility for insyde bioses on (amongst other) linux (/Linux/x64/x64/H2OFFT-Lx64): http://download.udoo.org/files/UDOO_X86/UEFI_update/UDOOX86_B02-UEFI_Update_rel104.zip
[23:01] <tomreyn> most acer's require this.
[23:02] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Noteing :) .. acer. what a pain .
[23:02] <tomreyn> source: https://www.udoo.org/forum/threads/updating-fw.7729/ https://github.com/malaire/misc/tree/master/udoo-x86
[23:02] <tomreyn> it's for udoo's new x86 gear
[23:03] <tomreyn> but the firmware writer is generic
[23:04] <tomreyn> https://www.insyde.com/products/developertools
[23:04] <tomreyn> also worth a bookmark https://firmwaresecurity.com/tag/insyde-software/
[23:05] <toto_fr> exit
[23:06] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Yup - 'nother good one :)
[23:06] <tomreyn> apparently the proper pronounciation of UEFI and SCPI are the hot topics in insyde firmware development these days
[23:06] <tomreyn> and yes, acer is the pain
[23:07] <daftykins> surely acer do windows utilities :)
[23:08] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Wifey runs her graphic station on an Acer machine ( Win10) .. I dread if and when she wants ubuntu back .
[23:08] <tomreyn> :)
[23:09]  * tomreyn crosses fingers
[23:10] <daftykins> 10 wfm ^_^
[23:51] <nacc> tomreyn: in case it's relevant, IntelCore is in my /ignore
[23:51] <tomreyn> :) i guess they should be on mine, too
[23:51] <tomreyn> thanks
[23:52] <daftykins> indeed all Core and Core 2 systems should be ignored now too ;)
[23:54] <nacc> daftykins: that was my initial thought months ago when they first started asking non-ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, as well :)
[23:54] <nacc> daftykins: also, no one who is actually associated with Intel would put it in their nick
[23:54] <tomreyn> maybe intel pentium N4000, too
[23:58] <tomreyn> just trying to give them a last reasonable chance before i decide to /ignore


[23:01] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Mind if I steal the rapid-photo-downloader merge?
[23:02] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Go for it. Simon already warned me.
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: As I read it, there should be no merge, it should be a straight forced sync, but feel free to evaluate as needed.
[23:28] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: thanks!


[01:52] <mup> Bug #1742290 opened: maas-run-remote-scripts doesn't pass DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <MAAS 2.3:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742290>
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1742703 opened: Virsh pod: autostart for created virtual machines is not enabled <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742703>
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1742704 opened: Virsh pod: misleading error message about missing libvirt-bin package <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742704>
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1742708 opened: Virsh pod: unclear in which pool the image of a virtual machine is created <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742708>
[14:59] <mup> Bug #1742708 changed: Virsh pod: unclear in which pool the image of a virtual machine is created <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742708>
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1742708 opened: Virsh pod: unclear in which pool the image of a virtual machine is created <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742708>
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1742808 opened: Creating bond via api ignores params <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742808>


[14:27] <mianosm2> zoopster: I think Monte is a troll.
[14:27] <zoopster> why
[14:28] <mianosm2> Just seems dense of someone to go to a web page, and nit pick something like that, the information (whatever it is that he is really looking for) is readily available....
[14:32] <zoopster> yea...but he could easily just be really new, too
[14:32] <mianosm2> I suppose, I wouldn't think that a new guy would dive into 10.10 server.
[14:37] <zoopster> why not?
[14:53] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[15:35] <maxolasersquad> Anyone seen Tron yet?
[15:44] <MichelleQ> I think itnet7 did, if I remember right
[15:50] <zoopster> mianosm2 the troll factor just increased significantly
[15:50] <mianosm2> zoopster: indeed, my trolldar was pinging as soon as he took a private mail and decided to blast it on the list. Not looking for help, but instead criticizing with no intent to initiate change.
[15:50] <zoopster> yep
[15:51] <MichelleQ> oh dear... full moon already?
[15:58] <maxolasersquad> Tron has a pretty strong not to FOSS in it.
[15:59] <maxolasersquad> And what I believe to be a veiled nock at Apple.
[16:05] <maxolasersquad> s/not/nod
[16:14] <maxolasersquad> There's also a lot of Unix stuff thrown around.  For example, there's a character named su.
[16:21] <tiemonster> still haven't seen it
[16:30] <maxolasersquad> http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/SolarOS
[16:33] <mhall119> did somebody at least ask su to make them a sandwich?
[16:37] <maxolasersquad> You know, that would be a good easter egg to put in Ubuntu.
[16:44] <reya276> hey would anyone know where the default directory for Egroupware would be, I'm trying to copy a file in to a directory but I can't find the directory
[16:58] <tiemonster> /dev/null
[18:15] <greiser> what's up
[18:26] <mhall119> host greiser
[18:26] <mhall119> howdy even
[18:27] <itnet7> Hey there mhall119 ! hey there greiser !
[18:29] <andreserl> itnet7: o/
[18:29]  * itnet7 hides
[18:29] <itnet7> how are you andreserl ?
[18:29] <itnet7> How was Texas?
[18:29] <andreserl> itnet7: pretty good man (and by your hides I'm guessing u still didn't finish your CV lol!!!)
[18:30] <andreserl> itnet7: it was pretty cool, tyring but cool... without the hassle of moving around like in UDS's
[18:30] <itnet7> you got me
[18:30] <itnet7> I am working on it
[18:30] <itnet7> slowly, but surely
[18:30] <andreserl> hahah ok
[18:30] <andreserl> itnet7: so how's it going with ya?
[18:31] <itnet7> Not too bad, at work they're still dropping like flies. 5 have left since a week before Christmas
[18:31] <itnet7> At home everything is good, We have been spending a lot of time together doing family stuff!
[18:39] <andreserl> itnet7: that's cool... and everybody is leaving because they are changing to MS?
[18:40] <itnet7> Well, that's part of it
[18:40] <itnet7> it's just a bad situation for us
[18:40] <itnet7> andreserl: what is your title now?
[18:41] <andreserl> itnet7: Ubuntu Server Developer
[18:41] <itnet7> Sweet!!!
[18:41] <mhall119> andreserl: cool, congrats
[18:41] <andreserl> itnet7: indeed!! mhall119 thanks man
[18:42] <mhall119> what awesomeness will you be developing?
[18:43] <tiemonster> an xterm port of MS Paint?
[18:44] <andreserl> itnet7: so what are you waiting for is everybody is leaving... Chuck and Daniel leavin too?
[18:44] <andreserl> mhall119: right now I'm working on PowerNap and Cluster Stack
[18:44] <mhall119> andreserl: is cluster stack for the new cluster compute nodes for UEC?
[18:46] <andreserl> mhall119: nope, the HA Clustering stack
[18:46] <tiemonster> awesomeness
[18:47] <andreserl> mhall119: both my blueprints started as part of community contributions
[18:47] <tiemonster> I'm thinking about doing some sort of high-performance distributed python application server for my final project
[18:48] <mhall119> andreserl: were you working on it before being hired?
[18:48] <andreserl> tiemonster: cool
[18:48] <andreserl> mhall119: yep I've been working on the cluster stack for the past 3 releases
[18:48] <tiemonster> the *idea* is cool
[18:48] <mhall119> cool
[18:48] <andreserl> mhall119: its me RoAkSoAx btw!!
[18:48] <tiemonster> the work, not so much
[18:48] <mhall119> yeah, I just wasn't sure if you worked in it
[18:49] <andreserl> :)
[21:14] <greiser> man, meetings are painful
[21:15] <greiser> andreserl: how does UEC work?
[21:15] <greiser> I setup a few servers at home for testing and wondered whether to fiddle with cloud servers and clustering...
[21:16] <greiser> I don't understand the Enterprise Cloud setup with Ubuntu....
[21:18] <greiser> but my server is running on a little shuttle box.... I guess I should find an actual rack before messing with cloud server stuff...
[23:29] <govatent> hello
[23:31] <directionalpad> Hi
[23:36] <mianosm1> http://apt.sw.be/redhat/el5/en/x86_64/
[23:36] <mianosm1> oh the irony....


[12:20] <kylem> huh, SLES10 uses 2.6.16
[12:10] <Keybuk> so my machine doesn't actually halt/poweroff/reboot at the end of the shutdown process
[12:10] <Keybuk> is that my fault or the kernel's?
[12:13] <snail> Keybuk: "fault" is not the word you're after
[12:14] <snail> have you googled for your motherboard name and ubuntu?
[12:14] <Keybuk> it worked yesterday :p
[12:16] <mjg59> Keybuk: Kernels
[12:16] <mjg59> Probably
[12:16] <mjg59> At least, there's definitely a bug that can trigger that sort of thing
[12:16] <mjg59> Easiest test is to go single user and then try halt -p
[12:17] <Keybuk> actually, I think it's my fault
[12:17] <cjwatson> try booting with reboot=b, too
[12:18] <cjwatson> if that fixes it, a quirk could be added
[12:18] <Keybuk> reboot --debug -f works just fine
[12:22] <Keybuk> so, adding debugging code fixed it
[12:23] <Keybuk> I didn't even touch reboot(8)
[12:28] <Keybuk> it's failing in log_action_msg
[12:32] <Keybuk> I really don't understand what's broken here
[12:39] <snail> Keybuk: report it as a bug in launchpad with all the details
[12:39] <Keybuk> that wouldn't help :p
[12:39] <snail> Keybuk: it won't help you in the short term, no
[12:40] <mjg59> snail: You realise keybuk is a senior developer on the Canonical payroll, right?
[12:40] <cjwatson> snail: Keybuk is the author of the code in question
[12:40] <cjwatson> at least of reboot(8)
[12:40] <snail> i had no idea
[12:41] <snail> sorry, i've been firefighting too long in #ubuntu
[12:41] <mjg59> If he filed the bug, he'd just need to fix it himself anyway :)
[12:41] <Keybuk> I frankly wouldn't know what to put in the bug report
[12:41] <Keybuk> "stuff that worked just fine yesterday, and hasn't been changed, now doesn't"
[12:42] <Keybuk> "yet is completely repeatable, and if I revert unrelated things, then it works again"
[12:42] <cjwatson> it's feature freeze; of course stuff is falling over randomly with no reason
[12:42] <Keybuk> I see you ordered snow especially ;p
[12:44] <Keybuk> so that shouldn't be any different, damnit
[12:45] <snail> Keybuk: divide and conquer on the unrelated things to find out which is breaking things?
[01:21] <Keybuk> init: event_finished: Finished runlevel event
[01:22] <Keybuk> init: event_emit: Pending runlevel/failed event
[01:22] <Keybuk> ok, now that's interesting
[01:31] <Keybuk> ok, that's just a bug
[01:31] <Keybuk> it's because logd "failed" by being killed
[01:34] <Keybuk> heh
[01:34] <Keybuk> well, I said it was an unrelated change that broke it
[01:35] <Keybuk> that's the problem -- logd wasn't running, so log_action_msg was failing
[03:13] <kylem> morning.
[03:14] <fabbione> hey kylem
[04:00] <BenC> hey hyle
[04:00] <BenC> err, kyle
[04:02] <fabbione> hyle = kyle->html ?
[04:09] <JanC> no, hyle is the wrong spelling for heil...  :)
[04:10] <kylem> morning.
[04:18] <kylem> BenC, what's our plan for updates to the feisty kernel now that we won't be pulling regularly from upstream git?
[04:18] <BenC> kylem: selective syncs
[04:19] <BenC> pretty much the core kernel is frozen, but we'll continue to update ubuntu/* drivers as they release 2.6.20 compatible tarballs
[04:19] <kylem> (i'm thinking about a few things in particular, i've got cxgb merged into ubuntu/ in my tree.)
[04:19] <kylem> ((and i made sure it wasn't html this time.))
[04:20] <BenC> hehe
[04:20] <BenC> yeah, those sorts of things are still good
[04:35] <fabbione> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83982
[04:35] <fabbione> ^^ this is interesting
[04:37] <fabbione> BenC: can you upload that LTP fix directly?
[04:37] <fabbione> BenC: otherwise i guess i can do it on the fly
[04:37] <kylem> uh.
[04:37] <kylem> can we get him to test with a real file.
[04:37] <kylem> you know, one that isn't a fucking sparse file. idiots.
[04:43] <kylem> soooo why isn't alsa-firmware in universe...
[04:51] <crimsun> I'll try to get that through today
[04:51] <kylem> is here anything i can do to help?
[04:53] <crimsun> yes, you can review it (i.e., comment), and advocate it for inclusion if you feel it's up to par
[04:53] <kylem> ok.
[04:54] <crimsun> (all ubuntu-dev members are already in the keyring; you may need to choose Recover Password to get your REVU password)
[04:54] <crimsun> it only takes 2 advocates to upload the new package
[04:56] <kylem> k
[05:07] <kylem> BenC, did you just do a l-s-2.6.20 upload?
[05:08] <BenC> kylem: Packaged one, just waiting for test build/boot to finish before uploading
[05:08] <kylem> k.
[05:08] <kylem> sorry, using some of the idle meeting cycles to go through my assignedbugs list.
[05:09] <pwnguin> so its been a long time since i last compiled and installed a kernel. did the make system change a bit?
[05:10] <kylem> pwnguin, not really, fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=flav1,flav2 is what i do for test builds when i don't want to wait for debuild...
[05:10] <pwnguin> i pulled straight from git
[05:11] <kylem> that'll still work
[05:11] <pwnguin> so it will
[05:11] <pwnguin> the flavor is like generic i hope
[05:12] <kylem> BenC, who should i subscribe to bugs about firmware licensing?
[05:12] <BenC> me and matt
[05:12] <BenC> pwnguin: See team link in topic
[05:12] <BenC> go to knowledge base, there's a doc there on building from git
[05:13] <pwnguin> what a strange layout
[05:31] <kylem> remind me to hurt david howells next time i see him.
[05:31] <kylem> i for got how much i hated this INIT_WORK changes.
[05:36] <kylem> if i had to guess, this is the problematic line:
[05:36] <kylem>         ieee->set_chan(ieee->dev,ieee->current_network.channel);
[05:36] <kylem> kyle@athena:...u-2.6.git/ubuntu/wireless/rtl_ieee80211% vi rtl_ieee80211_softmac.c
[05:49] <kylem> BenC, this might help, dunno: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/r8180-ieee80211-dev.diff
[05:51] <mjg59> Hm.
[05:51] <mjg59> It's kind of tempting to grab a couple more Broadcom cards.
[05:51] <mjg59> Though the only 4311 I can find is 30
[05:52] <kylem> eheh. crazy bastard.
[05:53] <mjg59> kylem: Discussion on the lists makes it look like they're getting a handle on the 4311/2/8 issues
[05:53] <kylem> nice.
[05:54] <kylem> about darn time.
[05:54] <mjg59> Hm. Think I can get Canonical to pay? :)
[05:57] <BenC> mjg59: Hell, you might get Canonical employees to pay :)
[05:57] <BenC> kylem: Or maybe just (priv)?
[05:58] <BenC> kylem: Did we change that bit of code, or is that stock?
[05:58] <mjg59> BenC: Heh
[05:58] <mjg59> Looks like total cost would be 45 (or about $10000000000000)
[05:58] <BenC> kylem: netdev_priv() seems to be duped by rtl_ieee80211_priv()
[05:58] <BenC> heh
[05:59] <kylem> BenC, i don't see anything obviously wrong with any of it.
[05:59] <BenC> kylem: neither did I
[05:59] <BenC> but it worked in edgy, same code
[05:59] <BenC> so workqueue is my best guess
[06:00] <kylem> i had thought the *ieee got corrupted, but it seems not.
[06:04] <mjg59> Enf.
[06:04] <mjg59> Someone's presumably going to have to port these to something sensible at some stage
[06:04] <kylem> hmm?
[06:06] <mjg59> kylem: Not the hacked rtl-ieee80211
[06:06] <kylem> oh. right.
[06:07] <kylem> i swear to god, when i'm fucking supreme dictator of the earth, everyone responsible for the linux wireless mess will be first up against the god damned wall.
[06:10] <mjg59> kylem: http://cgi.ebay.com/VCTnet-AirXpress-802-11b-WLAN-WiFi-Card-PC11BR_W0QQitemZ290022770466QQihZ019QQcategoryZ74954QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
[06:10] <mjg59> kylem: That seems to be an rtl8180
[06:10] <kylem> i need a laptop to put it in too. ;p
[06:10] <mjg59> Oh man.
[06:10] <kylem> haha. $9.99 + $30 USD shipping.
[06:11] <mjg59> Don't you still have the X30?
[06:11] <kylem> yeah, crashing my work machine every 10 minutes isn't terribly productive ;P
[06:11] <kylem> christ. so when fedora specs that they want pimping wireless in FC7
[06:11] <kylem> they really mean "pimping wireless for the shitty in-tree drivers"
[06:12] <mjg59> Ah
[06:12] <kylem> at least their wiki is finally unbroken.
[06:13] <mjg59> Link?
[06:13] <kylem> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureWirelessFirmware?highlight=%28CategoryFedora7Features%29
[06:13] <kylem> you'd think with the size of the workforce they have, they could be spending a little time improving this mess.
[06:14] <BenC> they list bcm43xx..hehe
[06:14] <kylem> muppetry.
[06:14] <BenC> bcm43xx firmware is such a lost cause...unless someone at broadcom finally gets a clue
[06:15] <BenC> "ipw3945, if upstream"
[06:15] <kylem> BenC, i mailed alan about HPA, waiting to hear back.
[06:15] <kylem> forgot to cc you and matthew, doh.
[06:16] <BenC> hopefully it's a nice reply and not a "pata is experimental you twit" reply :)
[06:16] <kylem> fedora is moving to libata-pata too...
[06:16] <BenC> or even worse "it's working in -mm, but you need all of libata-dev to use it"
[06:17] <kylem> i've looked...
[06:17] <kylem> nothing annoys me more than people who constantly merge their patch work git trees
[06:17] <kylem> so you have to pull the tree and diff versus linus to find all their changes instead of just looking at recent things in shortlog.
[06:49] <mjg59> BenC: There's a patch that implements PM_TRACE for x86_64 on LKML
[06:49] <mjg59> Any chance you can pick that up?
[06:49] <BenC> mjg59: Email it to me please? I'm trying to get the current tree uploaded, and I can pull it for this weekends upload
[06:49] <mjg59> BenC: Ok
[06:49] <BenC> thanks
[06:56] <kylem> i vote we rm -rf ubuntu/... fedora seems to get away with it.
[06:56] <kylem> these drivers are such a fucking utter mess.
[06:57] <mjg59> Eh, if you ignore wireless/ it's not too bad
[06:57] <kylem> quiet, i'm agonizing.
[06:57] <kylem> ;-)
[06:57] <kylem> BenC, i'm guessing there's some kind of race bringing up the network device now.
[06:59] <BenC> kylem: A race with the workqueue's?
[06:59] <kylem> yeah, i don't see how, but i can't see any other way this could be occuring.
[07:49] <kylem> BenC, did you get an lrm uploaded with that depmod fix?
[07:50] <BenC> kylem: It's following the kernel upload in about an hour
[07:50] <kylem> ok.
[07:50] <kylem> perfect.
[07:50] <BenC> just waiting for device-tree-manager to be in main
[07:51] <kylem> s/-manager/compiler?
[07:51] <BenC> err, yeah :)
[09:39] <jaims> hi all
[11:08] <zul> well that was fun..
[11:08] <Nafallo> zul: working XEN or something? :-)
[11:10] <zul> no..
[11:53] <doko> BenC: please could you have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=408530
[11:55] <BenC> doko: I'm at a loss on that bug report...anything in particular you wanted me to look at in there?
[11:55] <doko> BenC: the rh guy mentioned a possible kernel vulnerability
[11:57] <BenC> doko: Ah, I see


[06:02] <Kilos> hi svij nhaines MooDoo and other lurkers
[06:02] <svij> hi Kilos
[06:36] <nhaines> Hi Kilos.  :)
[06:36]  * svij waves to nhaines
[06:36] <nhaines> Hi to svij too!  :D
[06:37] <svij> ;)
[06:38] <Kilos> :D
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:14] <Kilos> dholbach  morning
[07:15] <dholbach> hey nhaines, hey Kilos
[07:16] <svij> hey dholbach
[07:16] <dholbach> hey svij
[07:19] <nhaines> I wrote in my book "just make a directory called ~/bin and throw all your scripts in there!"  My tech reviewer said "~/bin" isn't automatically added to the path.
[07:19] <nhaines> So now I'm firing up a virtual machine to prove him wrong.  :)
[07:20] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <svij> thats new to me
[07:21] <nhaines> Okay, the install is kicked off.  So we'll just wait and see!  >:D
[07:22] <svij> and doesn't work here :P
[07:22] <nhaines> Well I know I didn't set it up in my book's virtual machine.  :P
[07:28] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:32] <Kilos> MooDoo  :)
[07:43] <MooDoo> Hody Kilos, how are you this fine day?
[07:43] <Kilos> good ty MooDoo and you?
[07:44] <MooDoo> Kilos: yes i'm good thanks :) just looking at usb hard drives for my parents.
[07:50] <Kilos> usb3
[07:50] <Kilos> nice and fast
[07:56] <MooDoo> yeah, this is my parents though, don't think their laptop has usb3 on it :D
[07:57] <MooDoo> mine doesn't either :(
[08:01] <Kilos> aw
[08:09] <MooDoo> yeah pmsl just also looking at my launchpad account 2006 it was created