[00:02] <Scrivener> zenx, it works :) Thank you very much. Does this mean I can't leverage the power of 2 GPUs though?
[00:02] <Scrivener> I suppose it won't matter, since I won't be gaming on this.
[00:03] <Scrivener> It may not matter anyway.
[00:03] <zenx> doesn't SLI work anyway?
[00:03] <Scrivener> Yes, it may. I'm not sure. I had just plugged them both into separate GPUs before.
[00:04] <zenx> Anyway gaming on three monitors is OK, 2 monitors maybe football or something but for FPS it is unaceptable for me
[00:05] <zenx> plus yours monitors are different from each other =P
[00:07] <Scrivener> Hmm... unity tweak tool isn't working >.> Bleh
[00:07] <Scrivener> And yeah they are, but I usually have game running in one, other content (like chat) in the other
[00:10] <Scrivener> And windows, when I attempt snapping in the main display, will only snap to the second display now :-/
[00:10] <Scrivener> Bah
[00:11] <zenx> :/
[00:11] <Beldar> you can run two monitors mirroring or independently
[00:12] <zenx> you can use compiz settings manager to change some stuff that is in unity tweak tool
[00:12] <zenx> i think.. althought I have noticed some strange behaviour with it in 14.04
[00:13] <zenx> like loosing key bindings
[00:13] <Anuska> Hi, install vnc4server i run, and i connect wit vnc viewer, but give me a background green with 3 selcted option ( Accept clipboard , Send Clipboard, Send primari ... ) but connot give aggre or someting... to close this
[00:16] <Scrivener> zenx, wow, you're tellin' me
[00:17] <Scrivener> It's doing all kinds of wonky things
[00:17] <Scrivener> Like I set primary display (launcher display) to the larger monitor, tried to snap a window, and it kinda halfway-snapped across both screens (filled half the height of both)
[00:17] <zenx> lolo
[00:17] <Crashbit> trism: bug solved, update cgmanager solve the problem and move to /lib the libraries
[00:17] <Scrivener> Then I closed compiz config settings (cause that was the window I was snapping) and reopened and it all flashed to black before coming back with settings restored to what it was eariler
[00:18] <Scrivener> With the launcher on the left instead of the right.
[00:18]  * Scrivener kills Unity launcher with fire
[00:18]  * Scrivener installs Docky
[00:18] <zenx> oh yeah now I remember, that happened when i was experimenting an effect with compiz manager window it self xD
[00:19] <zenx> hopefully 14.04 release will be better
[00:19] <zenx> i like unity
[00:21] <Anuska> what program are like vnc
[00:21] <Anuska> and work fine?
[00:21] <Anuska> i neeed vncserver
[00:23] <zenx> Anuska, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
[00:24] <Anuska> thanks
[00:24] <Anuska> but vnc is not compatible with 14.04?
[00:24] <zenx> np, I haven't used any in a while so I can't help that much tbh
[00:25] <Anuska> ah
[00:27] <zenx> in the repository i see x11vnc, don't know if it is any good
[00:27] <zenx> but probably web search can help better
[00:30] <Anuska> yes
[00:30] <Anuska> in 12.04
[00:30] <Anuska> i use x11vnc
[00:40] <Anuska> Hi, about Ubuntu, where i need to go to add a startup program? when i log in?
[00:41] <willyg_cos> I've wasted the afternoon on vino to no avail.  I got vnc working with x11vnc instead.  I wouldn't call it "good" but at least it works - but I have a 1 gig wired connection also...
[00:41] <Anuska> foudn
[00:41] <Anuska> x11vnc work
[00:41] <Anuska> i resolved with x11vnc
[00:44] <willyg_cos> And I'm on 14.04, connecting to the box with cvnc from mac OSX.
[00:48] <Anuska> nice
[00:48] <Anuska> i want to install VMware on ubuntu 14.04
[00:48] <Anuska> work?
[00:48] <zenx> Anuska, shure
[00:48] <zenx> you can use vmware player it is free
[00:48] <Anuska> what version work?
[00:49] <zenx> the latest is ok
[00:49] <UBUNTUuser> hi guys I want ask about 14.04
[00:49] <zenx> I mean, i haven't tested it on 14.04 i think
[00:49] <UBUNTUuser> is the boot sig signed by microsoft so secure boot will work with it
[00:50] <Anuska> What browser is the best for ubuntu?
[00:50] <UBUNTUuser> I have pre-installed windows 8 and secure boot
[00:50] <skribblezatcha> i use firefox Anuska. its what i prefer using.
[00:50] <Anuska> firefox in linux have other name
[00:50] <Anuska> no?
[00:51] <UBUNTUuser> Anuska: Firefox deufault if you want chrominum
[00:51] <zenx> UBUNTUuser, yes if i remember you have to disable safeboot from windows
[00:51] <skribblezatcha> no, its still called firefox Anuska. it may possibly already be installed by default.
[00:51] <Anuska> ah, yes is ir
[00:51] <Anuska> it&
[00:52] <UBUNTUuser> so secure boot must be disabled
[00:52] <zenx> lol yeah Anuska are you using ubuntu or what xD, probably only kubuntu still sticks to konqueror
[00:52] <Anuska> :P
[00:52] <Anuska> ubuntu i used
[00:52] <zenx> UBUNTUuser, yes i think so but am fuzzy on the details, it is possible
[00:52] <Anuska> but in debian have other name the firefox
[00:52] <zenx> oh ok I didn't know that
[00:53] <UBUNTUuser> will the boot file ever be signed
[00:53] <skribblezatcha> yeah, debian uses a different browser Anuska, that is basically the same as Firefox.
[00:53] <skribblezatcha> different branding though.
[00:53] <zenx> UBUNTUuser, i don't know sorry
[00:54] <Anuska> :))
[00:54] <zenx> UBUNTUuser, you talking about windows maintaining valid license?
[00:54] <UBUNTUuser> ya exactlly
[00:54] <skribblezatcha> i read that they were thinking about doing that UBUNTUuser, but i dont know if thats the case. i do know that if you turn off the secure boot, you can boot in to a linux distro live..and go from there.
[00:55] <zenx> damn.. yea otherwise all hell would break loose in the interweb :D
[00:55] <skribblezatcha> there was two different kinds of formatting when it came to the uefi, one allowed for dual booting with something that didnt support uefi if secure boot was turned off and one didnt (i think).
[00:55] <Anuska> I use classic gnome on ubuntu
[00:55] <Anuska> :)
[00:56] <skribblezatcha> i use xfce Anuska.
[00:56] <zenx> I am sorry to "bash" but I can't stand windows 8
[00:56] <zenx> i have to say it
[00:56] <Anuska> windows 8 is sucks
[00:56] <skribblezatcha> i still havent used it zenx.
[00:56] <skribblezatcha> i think that windows 7 is decent though.
[00:56] <zenx> even my mom said it was sh*t when her pc came with it
[00:57] <zenx> yea windows 7 was spot on
[00:57] <UBUNTUuser> skribblezatcha: If you want get dev preview then upgrade to win 8.1 final for free simple
[00:57] <skribblezatcha> that it was zenx, i agree with you there.
[00:58] <zenx> the only thing that linux is missing is serious games and some misc apps
[00:58] <skribblezatcha> i have thought about checking it out UBUNTUuser..but i am content using what i use. i may check it out in a VM or something though. we'll see.
[00:58] <zenx> windows 7 is the new XP, won't die anytime soon
[00:58] <skribblezatcha> is this channel here logged, anyone know?
[00:59] <UBUNTUuser> ya I will give you the log
[00:59] <zenx> skribblezatcha, I think so, atleast I have came across freenode logs
[00:59] <UBUNTUuser> site
[00:59] <skribblezatcha> its not supposed to be supported for that long, but i think that it will be used for a while, or should be. the thing is, only those that were using xp will use windows 7 like that..
[00:59] <skribblezatcha> the young heads that are coming in to the game and getting their first pc's that are using windows 8 wont know any better.
[01:00] <skribblezatcha> thats what i figured zenx. i kinda dont dig that.
[01:00] <skribblezatcha> i dont see a real reason for it, but i guess if you want to hang out and chat here, its something that has to be dealt with.
[01:00] <zenx> nowadays everything is logged
[01:00] <skribblezatcha> its part of why i havent come here before. this is my first.
[01:01] <UBUNTUuser> ubuntu using logbots
[01:01] <skribblezatcha> nah, not true at all. the majority of IRC channels ARENT logged.
[01:02] <zenx> atleast you don't have to sign in with google+ or facebook (name dropping so this log will be catched easier xD)
[01:02] <skribblezatcha> its just that canonical is outta control right now to keep it real. they have lost their minds and are starting to hit up other distros that are popular and use their binary packages and ask for licensing.
[01:02] <zenx> you can always randomize you're nick
[01:02] <Anuska> offf
[01:02] <Anuska> error in vmware player
[01:03] <skribblezatcha> they are starting to act like MS and Apple and thats not cool. canonical has lost what it means to be opensource.
[01:03] <UBUNTUuser> skribblezatcha: the log site is here irclogs.ubuntu.com
[01:03] <zenx> i didn't know that.. they must be needing the $$ given the ventures they hav been in..
[01:03] <skribblezatcha> plus sticking the spyware in their distro doesnt help either.
[01:03] <zenx> Anuska, error in which part?
[01:03] <skribblezatcha> yeah, some dude showed it to me before UBUNTUuser, thanks.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> Does anyone know if the sync indicator supports Dropbox?
[01:04] <Anuska> http://pastebin.com/kX2D0zya
[01:04] <zenx> Daekdroom, what's the sink indicator
[01:04] <skribblezatcha> i remove a few things within my OS and am good to go..since i am using xubuntu, but as far as using ubuntu with unity, you are in bad shape. if you remove certain things it renders the OS useless..
[01:04] <Anuska> zenx, give me to compile the kernel... and at network
[01:04] <skribblezatcha> and if you install a DE right on top of unity, you dont have full functionality on the other DE.
[01:04] <Daekdroom> zenx, sync. It's an indicator with a cloud icon. It supports Ubuntu One and is supposed to support similar services too. I don't know if it ever got Dropbox support too.
[01:05] <skribblezatcha> a newbie going to ubuntu for security and PRIVACY may as well have stuck with windows..because they wont have any and may not know enough about what to remove to keep their privacy.
[01:06] <skribblezatcha> when you have spyware in the OS that records your keystrokes, the folders and files that you access, your net searches, and software installed to your OS. thats bad, and thats what the spyware in ubuntu does, the whole lense thing, and the amazon setup.
[01:06] <zenx> Anuska, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VMware#Kernel_headers_for_version_3.x-xxxx_were_not_found._If_you_installed_them.5B....5D
[01:06] <skribblezatcha> i guess with the new unity they are going to make it opt in, instead of on by default..but it shouldnt be there at all. it shouldnt be installed..
[01:06] <Anuska> that pach?
[01:07] <skribblezatcha> if they wanted to promote that, it should be in repo, if anything.
[01:07] <zenx> Anuska, no.. but it seems fizavle
[01:07] <zenx> skribblezatcha, oohh you mean the lenses
[01:07] <skribblezatcha> it is what it is though, in the longrun people will sprint full-speed away from ubuntu because of what they are doing.
[01:08] <Anuska> zenx, need to install linux-headers ?
[01:08] <zenx> well.. I guess they need the money
[01:08] <zenx> Anuska, I would
[01:08] <skribblezatcha> its deeper than the lense itself though zenx. a lense shouldnt do all that i just mentioned is happening on a default ubuntu desktop with unity installed, and i am afraid to say, even the other ones..because the ubuntu software-center is spyware itself.
[01:09] <zenx> skribblezatcha, ok I think I know what you mean. Maybe ubuntu is trying to enter into the "data business model" like fb or ggle
[01:10] <zenx> Google lives based on that
[01:10] <skribblezatcha> i dont know zenx, but its not right, and its not fair for them to try and have another distribution license their binaries either.
[01:10] <skribblezatcha> they do that so that its hard for another distro to be successful.
[01:11] <Anuska> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:11] <UBUNTUuser> wait is ubuntu opensource
[01:11] <zenx> skribblezatcha, I know what you mean, hopefully these crazy privacy issues will be averaged out
[01:11] <skribblezatcha> for real, when it comes down to it, i am going to leave xubuntu soon, based on all that i am saying. i wanted to use the distro for the trusty repo's..but when my distro of choice is where it will be in about two months i am gone.
[01:12] <Anuska> linux-headers-3.13.0-21-generic is already the newest version.
[01:12] <skribblezatcha> i cant support a distro that is the way that they are, and to be honest they are asking the distro that i use to license their ubuntu binaries..which is completely against all that linux and opensource stands for.
[01:12] <UBUNTUuser> I am just asking I am developing a distro
[01:13] <skribblezatcha> they wont be zenx, unless canonical hears the outcry of the users, and stops focusing on "hating" on other distributions for using their packages..meanwhile they are using debian packages in the same manner.
[01:13] <Anuska> not work
[01:13] <Anuska> :((
[01:13] <zenx> skribblezatcha, tbh I never liked mint, and they life of ubuntu (in my limited understanding)
[01:14] <skribblezatcha> yes UBUNTUuser, its opensource and is a linux distro. ubuntu is linux.
[01:14] <zenx> Anuska, that link has some solutions, you can go back to vernel <3.10 or solve the missing headers
[01:14] <UBUNTUuser> but can I like sell it
[01:14] <skribblezatcha> ubuntu does the same thing with debian zenx, if debian cut off ubuntu..what would ubuntu do?
[01:14] <zenx> Anuska, or use virtualbox
[01:14] <Anuska> i try to use virtualvox
[01:14] <Anuska> box
[01:14] <Anuska> but i have HASH USB , and if i install the CD... the windows crashed
[01:15] <skribblezatcha> even in linux there is money behind the scenes i am sure, but its getting a bit out of control.
[01:15] <Beldar> skribblezatcha, How is debian going to cut off ubuntu?
[01:16] <skribblezatcha> then how can ubuntu cut off anyone else Beldar?
[01:16] <skribblezatcha> can they?
[01:16] <UBUNTUuser> skribblezatcha: you are right
[01:17] <UBUNTUuser> I am planning to partner with clam to make a distro
[01:17] <zenx> canonical want to be bigger, honestly I would like to see linux penetrate the end user market in the desktop and mobile. In that case you probably would have nvidia driver problems skribblezatcha ;P
[01:17] <Beldar> skribblezatcha, You are, and have been, way off topic, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic This is support.
[01:17] <zenx> *would not
[01:17]  * Anuska kill me
[01:17] <Anuska> i will die
[01:18] <zenx> aww cmon ppl
[01:18] <skribblezatcha> i would like to see it too zenx, and thats all fine and dandy, but do you have to try and be so cut throat and eliminate the other distros that are out there in the world?
[01:18] <skribblezatcha> Beldar: sorry to offend bro, sometimes the truth does that.
[01:19] <Anuska> sorry but i will kill myself
[01:19] <zenx> Anuska, what is it
[01:19] <skribblezatcha> Anuska: are you ok?
[01:19] <Anuska> no
[01:19] <Anuska> linux heat me
[01:19] <zenx> lol cmon
[01:19] <skribblezatcha> whats the issue Anuska?
[01:19] <Anuska> and i will stop this
[01:20] <Anuska> every time i try to do someting.... not work
[01:20] <Anuska> fuck my life!
[01:20] <Anuska> good bye boys!
[01:20] <skribblezatcha> Anuska: actually linux is nice, you just have to get used to it. it takes some time to get comfortable with it and to see how things work..thats all.
[01:21] <skribblezatcha> take it easy Anuska, if you change your mind..come back through.
[01:21] <skribblezatcha> if you dont see me here, you can catch me around.:)
[01:21] <Anuska> :(
[01:22] <skribblezatcha> what were you trying to get working Anuska?
[01:22] <Anuska> i try to install windows xp on a virtualbox
[01:22] <Anuska> i have a CD ( with a software ) how worjk perfected in my computer
[01:23] <Anuska> but i want to used in virtualbox on server to get information when i want..
[01:23] <Anuska> but if i install that CD.. windows crashed
[01:23] <Anuska> and i tryto install vmware.. and not work
[01:24] <zenx> anuska  if you wan't vmware maybe you will have to downgrade the kernel to 3.9
[01:24] <CarlFK> 3.9?
[01:24] <skribblezatcha> ok Anuska, what are your system resources..as far as your ram goes if you dont mind me asking?
[01:24] <skribblezatcha> he said virtualbox zenx, not VMWare.
[01:24] <UBUNTUuser> would anybody have a chance of where I can get nvida gtx drivers
[01:25] <zenx> CarlFK, yes https://communities.vmware.com/thread/449176
[01:25] <Anuska> i have 8gb ram
[01:25] <skribblezatcha> i use virtualbox Anuska.:) so it does work.
[01:25] <zenx> skribblezatcha, but he wanted mware before
[01:25] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, how much are you giving to virtualbox to run windows Anuska?
[01:25] <skribblezatcha> o ok, my fault zenx.
[01:25] <zenx> Anuska, why does virtualbox crash, why is that program so picky?
[01:25] <Anuska> ram?
[01:26] <Anuska> 1gb
[01:26] <Anuska> no virtualbox crashed!
[01:26] <Anuska> only the windows how running in virtualbox
[01:26] <skribblezatcha> yeah Anuska, ok cool..which will push windows 7 in virtualbox, thats what i give it too.
[01:26] <Anuska> i put wind 7
[01:26] <Anuska> and is the same
[01:26] <skribblezatcha> now, let me ask you this Anuska, do me a favor, go to terminal and tell me when you are there please.
[01:27] <Anuska> ues
[01:27] <Anuska> yes
[01:27] <zenx> does the program need 3d?
[01:27] <Anuska> yes
[01:28] <zenx> it does, and 3d accel is working in virtualbox?
[01:28] <skribblezatcha> ok, now in terminal enter virtualbox and hit enter and tell me what you see there please Anuska.
[01:28] <Anuska> run the virtualbox
[01:28] <UBUNTUuser> see you guys gonna have a first look of 14.04
[01:28] <Anuska> no text , no error
[01:28] <zenx> UBUNTUuser, cya
[01:28] <zenx> lo
[01:28] <skribblezatcha> so it just started up for you then Anuska?
[01:29] <Anuska> yes
[01:29] <skribblezatcha> ok, now Anuska, so virtualbox is now open right?
[01:30] <Anuska> i selected at display
[01:30] <Anuska> 3d accelereated
[01:31] <skribblezatcha> i think the issue is this Anuska..you are going to have to give it more ram, so that virtualbox thinks that its using a better system than the default system that it is mimicking now.
[01:31] <skribblezatcha> give the VM more ram..like 2gb.
[01:31] <Anuska> yes i give now 2g
[01:32] <Anuska> and i try to install again win 7
[01:32] <Anuska> and i will come here with a feedback
[01:32] <zenx> Anuska, did you select 3d acceleration, installed guest tools and no problems?
[01:33] <Anuska> i don t install installed guest tools
[01:33] <willyg_cos> What version of virtualbox?  I got 4.3.1 running this morning on 14.04...
[01:33] <skribblezatcha> ok cool Anuska, and good luck man. just keep boosting the ram until you get the results that you want. also there is a guest additions iso that you want to install..you can find that in the software-center.
[01:33] <Anuska> ah
[01:33] <Anuska> let me install
[01:33] <willyg_cos> But Im only running XP for some old legacy stuff
[01:34] <zenx> Anuska, you have to go to the VM preferences enable 2d/3d accel
[01:35] <Anuska> yes
[01:35] <zenx> install the specific guest software to support it
[01:35] <zenx> then what gpu do you have?
[01:35] <zenx> Whatever, you need to enable 3d accel if the application needs it
[01:36] <zenx> cya skribblezatcha
[01:36] <Anuska> what is gpu?
[01:37] <skribblezatcha> gpu is your graphics card Anuska.
[01:37] <Anuska> ati
[01:37] <skribblezatcha> did you install the guest additions cd from the software-center Anuska?
[01:37] <Anuska> fuck
[01:37] <Anuska> fujck
[01:38] <Anuska> my ubuntu crashed
[01:38] <Anuska> wtf
[01:38] <Anuska> this connot be
[01:38] <skribblezatcha> are you trying to run a server Anuska?
[01:38] <Daekdroom> Anuska, pay attention to the language, please.
[01:38] <Anuska> desktop
[01:38] <skribblezatcha> ok nice Anuska, thanks.
[01:39] <Anuska> :(( not good
[01:39] <Anuska> the mouse not work anymore
[01:39] <skribblezatcha> go and restart man.:) then come back.
[01:39] <Anuska> i kill virtualbox and work
[01:39] <Anuska> pff
[01:39] <skribblezatcha> i have to go and restart, i had kernel 3.14.0 installed, but i ended up uninstalling it.
[01:40] <skribblezatcha> lol Anuska. you are fine man. no worries.
[01:40] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[01:40] <Anuska> :(
[01:40] <Anuska> :*
[01:50] <Anuska> aksusbd?
[01:50] <Anuska> !aksusbd
[01:50] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[01:50] <Anuska> hello :)
[01:50] <skribblezatcha> hey.:)
[01:50] <Anuska> 40% INSTALL
[01:51] <skribblezatcha> for what Anuska?
[01:51] <Anuska> skribblezatcha,  you use HASP KEY ( i have usb with licence for this program )
[01:51] <Anuska> i install windows 7 on virtualbox
[01:51] <skribblezatcha> o ok, nice.
[01:51] <Anuska> when windows finished i try to install
[01:51] <Anuska> the program
[01:51] <skribblezatcha> i dont know what a HASP KEY is Anuska.
[01:52] <Anuska> ah
[01:52] <skribblezatcha> cool, make sure that you get your updates and all of that installed within windows too.
[01:52] <Anuska> yes
[01:54] <Anuska> 36 hours online
[01:54] <Anuska> no sleep :))
[01:55] <skribblezatcha> lol Anuska. what have you been doing online all of this time?
[01:55] <Anuska> work
[01:55] <Anuska> and now i have a lot of work
[01:55] <skribblezatcha> o ok i see.
[01:55] <Anuska> need to install samba / apache / ++
[01:55] <skribblezatcha> right right.
[01:55] <Anuska> becouse i reinstall the linux
[01:56] <skribblezatcha> right right..
[01:56] <Anuska> but if i resolve this problem with virtualbox i go to sleep
[01:56] <skribblezatcha> cool, thats a good idea..then you can do whatever else you have to do another time.
[01:56]  * Anuska is depressed
[01:57] <Anuska> yes
[01:58] <skribblezatcha> i hear you. my dilemma is that i like xubuntu a lot, its a really nice distro, but at the same time i disagree with how canonical is doing business. so i have to install another distro.:(
[01:58] <skribblezatcha> i wont support them directly with using their distro when they act the way that they do.
[01:59] <Anuska> ubuntu is with money?
[02:00] <Scrivener> I installed a bad PPA (404 error when apt-get updating) for a piece of software. I tried to remove it with ppa-purge, and by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file and /etc/apt/sources.list.d -- however, ppa-purge reported a "not found" for the PPA, and the two other methods I mentioned returned no traces of the PPA whatsoever.
[02:00] <Scrivener> And yet, when I apt-get update, it clearly errors out with a 404 while trying to update from the bad source.
[02:00] <Scrivener> What can I do to remove this?
[02:01] <skribblezatcha> i dont see a big deal with making money, and certain things..but as far as spyware in the OS and spying on what the users are doing when that should be a private moment..thats kinda deep.
[02:01] <skribblezatcha> Scrivener: what DE are you using if you dont mind me asking?
[02:01] <skribblezatcha> unity?
[02:01] <Scrivener> skribblezatcha, I'm using Unity at the moment.
[02:01] <Scrivener> I should also mention I checked the Software & Updates.
[02:01] <skribblezatcha> ok, go to the software-center and tell me when you are there please.
[02:02] <Scrivener> If there's something I can do in terminal, I can follow along with that -- but I'm in ye dreaded olde software center now ;)
[02:02] <skribblezatcha> wait, go to software and updates again Scrivener, and tell me when you are there please..sorry.:)
[02:03] <Scrivener> There
[02:04] <skribblezatcha> ok now go to the other software tab, do you see the ppa in there?
[02:04] <Scrivener> Nope.
[02:04] <Scrivener> Already checked it.
[02:04] <Scrivener> And scrolled down.
[02:04] <Scrivener> If it were in there, wouldn't it be in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:04] <skribblezatcha> if so, click on it and then go to remove..and then go to the authentication tab, and see if there is a key there for it and highlight it and remove it as well.
[02:05] <Anuska> ahh..
[02:05] <skribblezatcha> you would think so Scrivener, although you want to remove it from there if you see it, if you dont see it there..go to the software-center..and go to preferences.
[02:05] <Anuska> not nice
[02:06] <Scrivener> I don't see preferences in the software center O.o
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> i installed gdebi-installer and synaptic and removed the software-center over this way..so i cant help you with exactly where it is.
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> ok, do you see sources or something like that Scrivener?
[02:07] <Scrivener> Yeah, that just opens Software & Updates though
[02:07] <skribblezatcha> ok, i see. one sec man.
[02:08] <skribblezatcha> ok check it out Scrivener. go to terminal and enter this command: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <skribblezatcha> anything related to that ppa delete it, and then close and save it.
[02:09] <skribblezatcha> save and close it.*
[02:09] <Scrivener> What-- I
[02:09] <Scrivener> I just opened software and sources again and found it.
[02:09] <Scrivener> Er software & updates
[02:09] <skribblezatcha> nice, good deal.:)
[02:09] <Scrivener> That's... bizarre. I couldn't even find it in the directories themselves.
[02:10] <Scrivener> I ran another apt-get update.
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> right right..
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> lol
[02:10]  * Scrivener scratches chin
[02:11] <skribblezatcha> well atleast you found it, get rid of the key too in the authentication tab Scrivener.
[02:13] <Scrivener> Done :3 Thank you for the help. I have no idea what happened.
[02:13] <skribblezatcha> you're welcome Scrivener and have a good evening man.
[02:14] <onca> My board may have crippling ethernet issues, but the link to the fix is broken. http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/ti/beaglebone can someone advise?
[02:14] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[02:14] <Anuska> The 32bit support is missing. Please install the x86 compatibility
[02:14] <Anuska> packages required by your distribution and retry the installation.
[02:14] <Anuska> See the installation guide for more details.
[02:18] <onca> Anuska, was that directed to me and what's x86 compatibility packages?
[02:18] <Anuska> aksusbd_2.2-1_i386.deb
[02:18] <Anuska> i try to install this
[02:18] <Scrivener> Figured out why the PPA was bad too
[02:18] <Scrivener> It wasn't necessarily
[02:19] <onca> oh, I'm in the wrong room
[02:19] <Scrivener> But their latest package is for oneiric
[02:19] <onca> sorry folk
[02:19] <Scrivener> Not trusty
[02:19] <Scrivener> And it was getting added to sources as trusty
[02:20] <Scrivener> And synapse crashes on launch ;_; Ah well
[02:20] <skribblezatcha> right, i feel you Scrivener.
[02:42] <harris> help!!!! i accidently changed my language in google chrome to වෙබ් ඉතිහාසය how do i switch it back to english
[02:56] <Mneu> I want to install and try out 14.04.  Is it better to download the Beta 2 iso or the Daily iso?
[02:57] <Stanley00> Mneu: I prefer daily iso :3
[02:57] <Mneu> it's technically the same just with up to date packages right?
[02:58] <Stanley00> Mneu: maybe, I don't know too :D
[05:16] <Mneu> Is there a way to disable the new resizing effect in 14.04?
[05:16] <Mneu> when i resize windows it's glitchy
[05:33] <kahtahs> Mneu: yes. ccsm: resize window -> general -> default resize mode (old default was rectange)
[05:38] <skribblezatcha> goodnight everyone and God bless.
[05:56] <smulverine> I've installed xubuntu and lubuntu desktops.  Managed to set the default plymouth theme with update-alternatives.  But how do I restore the default unity-greeter in lightdm?
[05:57] <smulverine> To make it clear: installed xubuntu and lubuntu desktops on top of Ubuntu 14.04 Beta 2.
[05:59] <smulverine> I've renamed the xubuntu and lubuntu conf files in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d but when I want to log in, I get the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[06:24] <Ben64> what is the preferred way of getting a classic gnome look and feel on trusty?
[06:30] <Ben64> my screen keeps turning off after about 15 seconds...
[06:33] <Ben64> man this is annoying, hopefully it'll fix itself after a dist-upgrade and a restart
[06:37] <snadge> classic gnome.. umm.. i think install gnome-session-flashback
[06:37] <xro> Hi, i installed ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop... it works well but there is something really strange when i lock my screen... lock screen --> unlock (password) --> have the descktop 2-3 secondes --> screen locked automatically --> unlock again --> working fine!
[06:38] <snadge> xro: yes this is a known issue.. i believe there is a bug for it
[06:38] <Ben64> yeah, i'm having some lock screen problems too
[06:38] <xro> ohhh, google didn't find it for me!
[06:38] <xro> thank you for the info.
[06:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:39] <snadge> #1299719
[06:39] <snadge> bug #1299719
[06:40] <snadge> there we go
[06:40] <ggreer> oh yeah!
[06:40] <ggreer> I get that same problem
[06:40] <Ben64> i killed gnome-screensaver and now my screen blanks every 15 secs
[06:40] <snadge> well everyone can jump on the "affects me" bandwagon then ;)
[06:41] <ggreer> also it doesn't lock before suspending. if I'm fast enough with the keyboard, I can open the lid and switch to a terminal before the lock screen shows up
[06:41] <ggreer> and anything I type gets run in the terminal instead of showing up in the password input on the lock screen
[06:41] <Ben64> pretty annoying bug for so close to release
[06:46] <xro> 17 April, looks like a rush
[07:35] <SunilJoshi> Hello, i have ubuntu 13.10 installed can i upgrade it to
[07:35] <SunilJoshi> Lubuntu 14.04?
[07:36] <bekks> Yes.
[07:36] <Beldar> SunilJoshi, Distro upgrades are for what is installed, which can be another desktop.
[07:36] <SunilJoshi> Beldar: confused :( ..
[07:36] <SunilJoshi> i have ubuntu 13.10 + LXDE desktop
[07:37] <bekks> SunilJoshi: you can update to 14.04
[07:37] <Beldar> SunilJoshi, You could install it now and have both than upgrade or after the upgrade install lubuntu.
[07:37] <SunilJoshi> Beldar: how can i do this ?
[07:37] <bekks> SunilJoshi: Just update.
[07:37] <bekks> SunilJoshi: I'd wait until 14.04 is released, though.
[07:38] <SunilJoshi> bekks: ok, I am also going to wait till then, gathering some information :)
[08:01] <robotti^> does beta 1 versions update to latest versions?
[08:01] <bekks> Yes.
[08:01] <robotti^> I have not get any updates for week.
[08:02] <robotti^> ok
[09:39] <Anuska> hi
[10:47] <Dry_Lips> Hi... I run Xubuntu, and after the recent update Nautilus only has "create new folder" "paste" and "properties" when I right click
[10:47] <Dry_Lips> I cannot create new files, etc
[10:48] <Dry_Lips> But in Thunar I can
[10:57] <hyper_ch> weird thing going on... in the kde systemsettings I can't select the usb headset as sound device... only "default" is listed there
[10:58] <hyper_ch> however in the audio hardware setup its there
[10:58] <hyper_ch> and also kmix has entries for the volume levels
[10:58] <hyper_ch> using on headset volum buttons I get OSD feedback
[10:58] <hyper_ch> but no sound
[11:07] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:10] <Greylocks> Morning BluesKaj
[11:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Greylocks
[12:20] <trusty> hi guys does anybody know how to fix the pixelated icons
[12:22] <trusty> help
[12:32] <trusty> hi guys does anybody know how to fix pielated icons
[12:33] <trusty> help
[12:34] <lordievader> !patience| trusty
[12:35] <trusty> but I have a beta version of ubuntu 14.04
[12:36] <DJones> trusty: Just be patient, there's not a lot of people using trusty yet while its in development so it can take longer to get replies
[12:40] <trusty> wait were are the icons located
[12:43] <trusty> do other people have this problem
[12:53] <johnjohn101> two more weeks :)
[13:52] <jvoisin> Hello, I just updated from 13.10 to 14.04, and my systray is gone :<
[14:05] <SuperLag> Always nice when you update, and your toolchain gets removed. :)
[14:06] <k1l> updates updates updates updates :P
[14:06] <sydneyJDykstra> In ubuntu trusty I have to use nomodeset every time I boot from a flashdrive or cd. Are they going to fix that before the final version of trusty comes out?
[14:07] <sydneyJDykstra> And does that only apply to a fresh install or both a fresh install and a upgrade?
[14:07] <valera_> Hi everyone! How can i enable system tray in Ubuntu 14.04?
[14:08] <jvoisin> valera_: We have the same issue :)
[14:08] <valera_> In old versions I can edit "systray-whitelist", but in 14.04 I cant find it.
[14:09] <jvoisin> pidgin appears in my systray, but not nm-applet and the battery thing
[14:43] <linagee> I'm on Xubuntu 14.04 Desktop 64-bit. I've noticed that the lock screen takes longer now. Previously, I could just hit a key on my keyboard and type in my password. Now I hit a key, start typing my password and hit enter, but its not unlocking. (Possibly because the password box doesn't immediately have focus...)
[14:44] <linagee> ah. I think I figured it out. When I lock my screen, numlocks turns off.
[14:45] <linagee> What is the 14.04 lock screen package called?
[14:47] <linagee> aha. something like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1271953
[14:47] <linagee> (that was a previous bug)
[14:48] <linagee> wow that's an old bug. traces back to 2011...
[14:50] <linagee> I see lots of posts pointing me to numlockx. I might try that...
[14:53] <linagee> also another problem I saw right after the 14.04 upgrade, my volume control disappeared.
[14:53] <linagee> and now I have a bluetooth control. Weird because this computer doesn't have bluetooth. removed it.
[15:04] <czs> hi
[15:04] <czs> I wanted to install trusty with mini.iso, but the network card is not working. It is a realtek 8167. Is there a quick fix for this?
[15:10] <SuperLag> mini.iso?
[15:11] <czs> netboot
[15:44] <darklight_> How can I keep the hotcorners settings throughout sessions ? because I have to disable/reenable them every time unity restarts, I've tried adding them to profiles->unity->plugins->core (I added scale and expo) but while it worked for a while now it doesn't and it's incredibly annoying
[17:43] <hyper_ch> the sound system in current kubuntu is totally screwed up
[18:52] <njkj> hi. There is an issue with libav-tools in ubuntu trusty https://bugzilla.libav.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341 . Thought you want to know. Debian stable works, but testing and unstable are broken, too. I'm not sure whom to report it in ubuntu.
[18:52] <trism> njkj: you should probably report a bug against the libav and link to the upstream bug, after taking a quick look through here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libav/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[18:53] <trism> njkj: the only bug I notice that sounds close at a quick glance is bug 916683 so you'll probably need a new one
[18:54] <Trollkar1en> Have an issue with black screen after HDMI screen goes away and comes back, have to restart lightgdm
[18:54] <njkj> trism: ah, forgot about the ubuntu bugtracker. I've only checked the debian bugs, since the package is from there. I'll have a look.
[18:55] <Trollkar1en> The HDMI interface dont even start until i change virtual console ctrl+alt+f1
[18:55] <trism> njkj: oh did you see the debian bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739520
[18:55] <Trollkar1en> More with this problem ?
[18:55] <trism> njkj: if you create one on launchpad I would link that too, maybe they can sync from experimental
[19:01] <njkj> trism: ok, I didn't see that one. The last mail says it's fixed in 10~beta1-2, but it's marked as fixed in testing/unstable, which is on version 9.11-3. The bug is still present in 9.11-3.
[19:05] <trism> njkj: where do you see it markd fixed for 9.11-3? the only thing in the changelog is: '* Add upstream patch to enable PIC on s390(x), Closes: #726733'
[19:07] <njkj> trism: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739520 testing/unstable is green
[19:09] <trism> njkj: must have just marked it incorrectly because there are no changes for that, it's only fixed in experimental as far as I can see
[19:17] <njkj> trism: I think that's what happened, yes. I thought ubuntu may want to know that, since trusty would release the faulty version.
[19:19] <trism> njkj: yes I think an ubuntu bug that links to the other bugs would definitely be a good idea
[19:19] <hmmp> updated to 14.04 and cant run gnome-session now, cannot open display. what to do? full error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7200142/
[19:23] <SwedeMike> I fresh-installed 14.04 from beta image a few days back. when I press "alt" and then start typing for instance "terminal", I get no search hits. The result window is just empty. Any hints what I need to do to turn this on? I am installing it in Parallels running on an OSX machine. My 13.10 virtual machine (separate) works fine with this kind of search on the same setup.
[19:25] <njkj> SwedeMike: Use the windows key
[19:25] <njkj> oh, a mac. not sure which key maps to the windows key.
[19:27] <njkj> alt highlights the icon of the application that has the focus at the moment, i.e. firefox. I'm not a real unity user, but it seems like that's for firefox related things.
[19:27] <njkj> *only
[19:28] <njkj> I can access my local files and applications using the windows key only
[19:32] <hmmp> nobody has ideas for my problem? :(
[19:34] <mathuin> hmmp: I am suffering a similar issue and have found bugs on launchpad already filed so I clicked the "this affects me too" button and am waiting fingers-crossed for the fixes.
[19:35] <hmmp> hmmm okay
[19:36] <trism> mathuin: what's the bug number, out of curiosity?
[19:37] <hmmp> do I need an launchpad account for upvoting bugs
[19:37] <trism> hmmp: yes
[19:39] <mathuin> They should have a button for tracking upvotes, now I can't find it. :-)
[19:40] <hmmp> is it this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1255875
[19:41] <trism> mathuin: if you click on your user name, then click on bugs, there is an Affecting bugs option in the menu on the right which should show you
[19:41] <mathuin> It is not showing up. :-(
[19:41] <mathuin> Found it...
[19:41] <mathuin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1251281
[19:43] <mathuin> I'm a heavy user of VNC and this issue screws me up.
[19:44] <hmmp> so that bug was reported like six months ago? I guess I'll be installing 13.10 then
[19:54] <Crashbit> Hi! I have a question about gnome-terminal and gnome-shell
[19:54] <Crashbit> I know gnome-terminal developers remove the transparency on gnome-shell 3.8
[19:55] <Crashbit> But when I click on profile/background of my terminal, I found a transparency option on this tab
[19:56] <Crashbit> I try to see gnome-terminal --version, and I will see my ubuntu gnome 14.04 with gnome shell 3.10 uses a gnome-terminal 3.6
[19:56] <Crashbit> it is correct, it's secure ?
[19:57] <Crashbit> This version is maintained
[19:57] <Crashbit> ?
[19:57] <Beldar> Is what secure?
[19:57] <Crashbit> And other question, the transparency doesn't work , only works when I click help/about
[19:58] <Crashbit> but when I close about the transparency dissapears
[19:58] <Trollkar1en> The HDMI problem works in unity(or whats its called now adays ubuntu(default)) but not i kubuntu on 14.04
[19:58] <Crashbit> Beldar: use an old terminal, maybe not maintained by gnome, i don't know the last
[19:58] <Trollkar1en> When i have signal loss from HDMI(turn on off reciever) the screen never wakes until i restart lightdm
[19:59] <Trollkar1en> No info in xorg, any help on getting out more info ?
[19:59] <Beldar> That's a strange security worry, you are as secure as you want to be.
[20:00] <Crashbit> yes yes, I understand, but use a 'very' old terminal is strange for me
[20:01] <njkj> Beldar: Making sure you don't use unmaintained software is a resonable thing to do from a security point of view
[20:02] <Beldar> njkj, If it's in the repos and especially a development about to be released, it has handfuls of eyes on all processes.
[20:03] <Beldar> You can't just add something to the repos and forget about it
[20:04] <trism> Crashbit: bug 1261619
[20:05] <Crashbit> trism: thx, reading
[20:05] <Crashbit> trism: yesterday finally an update solve the problem with cgmanager and separate /usr
[20:05] <trism> Crashbit: yes I saw your message, that is excellent
[20:05] <Crashbit> yes
[20:13] <Trollkar1en> sry should be xubuntu and not kubuntu in my case
[20:19] <trusty> what is the difference between xubuntu and kubuntu and ubuntu
[20:20] <k1l> trusty: the preinstalled desktop enviroment (with the pre installed programs according to that enviroment)
[20:20] <trusty> oh
[20:28] <optrusty> sorry for being a begginer, but I would like to know how to make a basic program
[20:36] <njkj> it seems to be quite difficult to sign up for launchpad using disposable mail addresses..
[20:37] <trism> njkj: it doesn't spam you or anything, you only get mail if you subscribe to bugs, and you can easily unsubscribe later
[20:37] <ggreer> one minor annoyance I have with gnome-terminal: if I open a tab, it adds a border around the window
[20:38] <ggreer> and it leaves that border on even in full screen mode
[20:38] <ggreer> but there's no border if it's just one terminal in the window
[20:41] <njkj> trism: I'm looking into getting a proper mail address to contribute to open source later. However it might be a good idea open the bug report now instead of later, hence the disposable account. I think I just have to rise awareness, my assistance or testing isn't needed after that.
[20:43] <oxsyn> I have a 32-bit .run installer for an enterprise application I'm trying to install on 14.04. It installed in 13.10 fine. When I execute the .run file the installer crashes with a segmentation fault. I'm not sure how to correctly install it. Any tips?
[20:55] <njkj> trism: is there some sort of hellban in launchpad? I've tried 3 mail providers, 2 disposable, one regular provider but I'm not receiving any mails.
[21:04] <roasted> hello friends
[21:04] <roasted> I am a little confused. I just read a post that suggested the removal of Ubuntu One also includes the removal of web apps. Can anybody confirm?
[21:08] <k1l> roasted: ubuntu1 filesync is canceled.
[21:08] <k1l> so it gets removed
[21:08] <roasted> right - but what I'm curious about is the web app portion.
[21:08] <roasted> the article I just read said that web apps would be axed too
[21:09] <k1l> erm?
[21:18] <GZA-Genius> Forgive me for the dumb question, but the thing thats attached to my neck isn't working correctly today. I am taking a init.d script that was written for SUSE and modifying it for use on Ubuntu 14.04, There are a few things confusing me at the moment all regarding LSB info. This is what I am starting out with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7200564/ 1st Question: Now from what I understand run-levels 3 and 5 on Ubuntu are unused but are treated a
[21:20] <njkj> looks like launchpad doesn't send any confirmation mails. I'm going to look into this tomorrow.
[21:22] <GZA-Genius> Are will still on beta 2 or are we too 3 yet?
[21:23] <Ben64> theres no more betas
[21:23] <GZA-Genius> o
[21:24] <GZA-Genius> k
[21:26] <GZA-Genius> It's not Final correct? That is supposed to be 16th correct?
[21:27] <elfy> 17th
[21:27] <GZA-Genius> Ok so I guess we are in RC stage
[21:27] <elfy> rc date is 10th
[21:28] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[21:28] <GZA-Genius> What an improvement so far. I am very pleased to date with how things are coming along.
[21:28] <roasted> hi
[21:29] <GZA-Genius> elfy: ty thats what I was looking for.
[21:29] <elfy> GZA-Genius: welcome :)
[21:29] <roasted> k1l: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/canonical-axe-ubuntu-one-file-music-services-grab-data-now
[21:29] <elfy> hi roasted
[21:29] <roasted> k1l: The announcement of the cloud service closure means that the upcoming release of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will not ship with Ubuntu One features on the desktop — no web apps, sync indicator or Ubuntu One client will ship by default.
[21:29] <roasted> k1l: that's why I was confused since it mentioned web apps disappearing.
[21:31] <k1l> roasted: hmm, i dont know from here where webapps belong on u1. even though u1db-sync will still live (for contacts stuff etc with ubuntu-touch)
[21:45] <twirm> Hey, my sound card stopped working in 14.04 after updating the kernel earlier today
[21:46] <twirm> sudo aplay -l shows the cards but they do not show up in the sound settings
[21:49] <rayq> same here.  Also can't restart/shutdown via top panel.  Just goes to 'log out'
[21:49] <rayq> also network monitor missing.  all after last update
[21:50] <twirm> I also can't restart from the top panel
[21:50] <twirm> but I have my network monitor
[22:03] <onca> how can I turn compiz off entierly?
[22:04] <k1l> onca: use a desktop that doesnt need compiz
[22:05] <onca> I swapped the ssd from my defunct mainframe running this os into a netbook and it purrs just fine with no modifications
[22:05] <onca> but the netbook can't handle compiz
[22:05] <onca> It's running just fine without the wobbly windows
[22:06] <onca> someone recognize how monumental that is
[22:06] <onca> that I just put a drive from another computer (a beast of one) into a netbook and it runs fine
[22:07] <onca> I'd pay 800$ for this os
[22:07] <mathuin> There's gotta be a place for you to send a donation. ;-)
[22:07] <onca> did I mention i am dirt poor but have donated
[22:10] <k1l> onca: you can reduce the fancy windows stuff. but since unity is a compiz-plugin you cant turn compiz completly off without not using unity
[22:12] <onca> That's fine, I don't know any better, just keep up the good work
[22:13] <onca> I wish I could donate cocaine or something better.
[22:14] <k1l> cocaine donations bring a lot of trouble like rushing swat groups. patches or money to the projects are fine :)
[22:14] <mathuin> Easier to declare on your income tax as well.
[22:14] <onca> awe. okay
[22:15] <onca> lawls
[22:15] <onca> I hope you guys are happy
[22:15] <onca> u should be
[22:15] <k1l> yeah, i am missing the cocaine [ ] checkbox every time ;p
[23:12] <valorie> hi folks, after todays updates and a restart, I have no wireless
[23:12] <valorie> fortunately I have an ethernet cable available
[23:13] <valorie> but I don't know how to troubleshoot and find out if this is a kernel problem or something else.... anyone else with Kubuntu Trusty run into something similar?
[23:15] <shawnbon206> https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa does anyone know if these are still needed on trusty? or are the automatically installed if you use the +mac iso?
[23:15] <shawnbon206> specifically the smc and the fan control
[23:51] <crc32> I installed ubuntu14.04 server because I could not fit desktop on a disc. But when I did "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop gdm gnome-session-fallback" I see x11 installing but I X or gdm do not start on boot. What am I missing?
[23:52] <Beldar> crc32, Did the ubuntu desktop install with no errors?
[23:53] <crc32> it looked like it did. So I rebooted but the screen freezes
[23:53] <Beldar> crc32, Have you tried a nomodeset boot?
[23:54] <crc32> I've never heard of that.
[23:55] <Beldar> screen freezes is kinda vague, can you describe that more?
[23:55] <Beldar> Is it a black screen basically
[23:56] <Beldar> !nomodeset
[23:57] <crc32> its just a blinking cursor at the top left. Yet I can hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a text console window
[23:58] <crc32> so I can login via text but gdm isnt starting.
[23:59] <crc32> whats the cirrect procedure for migrating from server to desktop.


[00:01] <diwic> sladen_, sure, but debuild rebuilds from scratch and takes lots of time. I'm just trying to be more productive by running "make" instead (which takes a few seconds when you've only changed one source file)
[00:02] <micahg> diwic: debuild -nc
[00:05] <diwic> micahg: thanks, that seems to go much faster, still not as fast as make though (it seems to do "relinkning" of some kind)
[00:06] <diwic> and then all the dh_ stuff at the end
[00:06] <diwic> also, with make I can use "make -j3" to make it faster on my triple-core CPU, is that possible with debuild as well?
[00:08] <Laney> you can pass -j to debuild
[00:08] <Laney> -jX
[00:10] <diwic> Laney, nice :-)
[00:13] <diwic> Laney, perhaps I should study the man pages for dpkg-buildpackage and debuild closer
[00:14] <crimsun> diwic: install and configure ccache, too. You may also want to put /var/cache/pbuilder/build on tmpfs
[00:14] <crimsun> diwic: and ~/.ccache
[00:17] <diwic> crimsun, thanks for the tip :-)
[00:22] <diwic> crimsun, btw, Jaroslavs wakeup patches are in Lucid now, right?
[00:22] <crimsun> diwic: no
[00:23] <diwic> crimsun, how come?
[00:23] <crimsun> they're only available in linux-alsa-driver-modules in ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[00:23] <crimsun> a bit too intrusive
[00:23] <diwic> ok
[00:24] <crimsun> I really wish I had access to some surround sound hardware; it's a pain to debug this pulse business remotely :(
[00:24] <crimsun> and I'd like to stab cs46xx hardware for being so busticated. Even worse than many HDA controllers, which is flippin' impressive!
[00:25]  * crimsun wanders off toward cs46xx_lib.c
[00:25] <jayvee> Laney: honestly surprised that debuild doesn't default to something like -j2.
[00:26] <diwic> crimsun, as for the stabbing, that's also hard to do remotely ;-)
[00:34] <wzssyqa> hi,i am using debian format v3,and have a patch in debian/patches.how to edit rules?
[04:25] <Linux000> How would I write a script to run at install time(like the triggers) when installing a Debian package(.deb)?
[04:26] <micahg> PKGNAME.preinst or PKGNAME.postinst
[04:26] <RAOF> Linux000: preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm are the four scripts that do that.
[04:26] <Linux000> Thanks
[04:27] <Linux000> Where would I put those?
[04:29] <Linux000> Nevermind, google always helps:)
[04:32] <RAOF> micahg: Any joy on the gjs front?
[04:35] <micahg> RAOF: sorry, no haven't had a chance yet..spent an hour on another build failure w/out a solution though....
[04:35] <RAOF> :(
[04:35] <RAOF> Ok.
[04:36] <RAOF> I'll upload work-around packages now then.
[04:36] <micahg> RAOF: yeah, probably a good idea
[04:38] <RAOF> Why do IDEs feel the need to have splash screens?
[04:38] <micahg> RAOF: so people don't think nothing is happening?
[04:38] <RAOF> Then start up faster, damnit!
[04:39] <micahg> RAOF: that would be nice :)
[04:40] <RAOF> Also... not a monospace font?  What crack are you smoking, anjunta?
[04:40] <RAOF> Oh, well.  It obviously heard me.  Merely loading up the preferences pane sets a monospace font.
[05:02] <micahg> what's the way to manually do a merge?
[05:05] <RAOF> Grab the ubuntu bzr tree, grab the sid bzr tree, bzr merge.
[05:06] <RAOF> That's one option.  Alternatively, you can grab the respective source packages and manually merge the changes; meld is good for that if you go that route.
[05:07] <micahg> RAOF: are there branches for experimental?
[05:08] <RAOF> I think there are, yeah.
[05:08] <RAOF> Give it a try! :)
[09:39] <jariq> I am trying to build a package of daemon that depends on libraries/packages that are not included in ubuntu repositories. I made packages for libraries but I am not sure how to tell pbuilder to first install these libraries when building daemon package. Any help is appreciated.
[09:44] <persia> jariq: You need to put them in some repository that pbuilder can access from the sources.list in the chroot.
[09:44] <geser> you need a repository with them (can be a local one, a PPA or completely external)
[09:45] <jariq> I thought the same.. thanks a lot
[09:46] <geser> or alternatively build the package manually (dpkg-buildpackage -b) inside the pbuilder (as I'm lazy and need the new packages only once or twice)
[10:55] <mok0> Riddell: ping
[10:58] <\sh> bdrung, are you planning a sync from debian to ubuntu regarding eclipse 3.5.2?
[10:59] <bdrung> \sh: yes
[11:04] <\sh> bdrung, nice :)
[11:04] <mok0> OT: Do you like the fantasy of 5-year old boys? Check out http://axecop.com it's hilarious. I am still chuckling after exploring the site this morning...
[11:36] <Riddell> mok0: you pung?
[11:37] <mok0> Riddell: yeah, it's about bug 533042
[11:38] <mok0> Riddell: where can I see the backport script?
[11:38] <ScottK> mok0: Sorry for missing the backporters meeting yesterday.  Right as it was starting I get side tracked by a $WORK phone call.
[11:38] <mok0> ScottK: I realized something like that had happened
[11:39] <mok0> ScottK, but siretart and myself had a good chat :-)
[11:39] <mok0> I will schedule a new meeting in a couple of weeks. Need to check out easter and such first
[11:40] <ScottK> mok0: The big issue we have compared to Debian backports is the lack of not automatic.  There was a spec to change this for Lucid, but mvo did not have the time for it.
[11:40] <mok0> ScottK, I see
[11:41] <mok0> ScottK, still a good idea. But we need to make sure that the guis play nice with it
[11:41] <ScottK> So we have to enforce backports should just work, meaning rdepends have to work.
[11:41] <ScottK> For Debian, they don't insist on that.
[11:41] <mok0> I see
[11:41] <ScottK> It means easier backporting, but if you just install everything from backports, there will be problems.
[11:42] <ScottK> This is OK for them due to not automatic and also they aim at a more technical user base.
[11:42] <mok0> I think there is no easy solution
[11:42] <mok0> We need to stay away from some very basic components
[11:42] <ScottK> My experience with this is it takes some dedication to testing.
[11:43] <ScottK> In the case of bzr, the bzr developers keep a PPA.  It'd be nice to engage them and see if that could be used as a staging/testing area for backports.
[11:43] <mok0> ScottK, yes, otoh, there aren't many bug reports on backported packages
[11:43] <ScottK> mok0: Yes, but that's because we've insisted on at least basic testing.
[11:43] <mok0> ScottK:  it is already, they provide a bunch of backports
[11:44] <ScottK> Right, but use that as a gateway to Ubuntu backports.
[11:44] <ScottK> Test it there and then get it in  Ubuntu backports
[11:45] <ScottK> I did once give in and allow an svn backport without testing all the rdepends.  There were a LOT of bug reports over that one.
[11:45] <mok0> ScottK, I am concerned that things will not happen if the procedure is too convoluted
[11:46] <ScottK> It turns out the ones we tested weren't the ones affected by the ABI changes.
[11:46] <ScottK> Agreed.
[11:46] <mok0> There is not way we can guarantee that there won't be any problems, and that is made quite clear when backports is activated
[11:47] <mok0> -> no way
[11:47] <ScottK> Certainly.  It's a balance of risk and benifit.
[11:47] <ScottK> OTOH, with the ongoing clamav effort I'm involved in, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Clamav - we've gained experience to know where we have to test every single package and where we can test just a few.
[11:48] <mok0> ScottK, what exactly do you mean by "testing"?
[11:48] <mok0> ScottK, because it is really hard to check every aspect of a piece of software
[11:48] <ScottK> So I think, for the example of bzr, the bzr devs could likely tell us where the risks are and what needs to be updated with bzr/tested.
[11:49] <mok0> ScottK, I agree
[11:49] <Riddell> mok0: groovy, sorted
[11:49] <ScottK> mok0: For backports, the standard has always been builds, installs, runs.  I think that's enough testing.
[11:49] <mok0> Riddell: cool, thanks!
[11:49] <ScottK> Generally if it's going to explode, it does it right away.
[11:50] <ScottK> We test things a lot more thoroughly for clamav, but I don't suggest we require that as a general case.
[11:50] <mok0> ScottK, wrt bzr, the main app works in my hands. I've used the same port for weeks without problems.
[11:50] <mok0> ScottK, it's the plugins that need testing
[11:50] <ScottK> mok0: OK, find out from the bzr people what needs to be updated with it and then see about getting them tested.
[11:51] <ScottK> I doubt it will take long once you find out which ones they are.
[11:51] <mok0> ScottK, My ambition is to use exactly those packages that the bzr team has for hardy in their ppa
[11:51] <mok0> It's a handful only
[11:51] <ScottK> mok0: I suspect that's the right list.  I'd just like to get someone from bzr to say that.
[11:51]  * ScottK nudges lifeless.
[11:52] <mok0> ScottK, I will see if I can get hold of one of those guys
[11:52] <ScottK> IIRC I just poked at one.
[11:52] <mok0> ScottK, hm, nomen est omen
[11:52] <mok0> "lifeless"
[11:53] <mok0> :)
[11:56] <hakaishi> Hi, is there a way to remove a package from revu?
[12:00] <hakaishi> is there?
[12:00] <hyperair> you can archive
[12:02] <hakaishi> hyperair: to archive doesn't mean it'll be removed...
[12:02] <hyperair> hakaishi: it'll be removed from the front page/main listing
[12:03] <ScottK> hakaishi: Once it's archived, there's an option to nuke the package entirely.  You may have to ask someone else to do this if you don't have it available to you.  Archive it first to see.
[12:03] <hyperair> hakaishi: but otherwise, no,  i don't think there's a way to remove it
[12:03] <hyperair> oh there is?
[12:03] <hyperair> =O
[12:04] <hakaishi> ScottK: I have tried this nuke option a view times, but it's still there. It doesn't seem to change anything at all...
[12:04] <ScottK> hakaishi: What package?
[12:05] <hakaishi> ScottK: qt-shutdown-p. It's uploaded to debian and already has a newer version
[12:05] <ScottK> hakaishi: Checking.
[12:06] <hakaishi> ScottK: In Debian I've had to rename it. It's now called qshutdown
[12:06] <ScottK> OK.
[12:06] <hakaishi> http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/shutdown-qapps.html
[12:09] <hakaishi> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[12:10] <ScottK> hakaishi: I tried to nuke it too and it wouldn't go.  I wouldn't worry about it too much, as long as it's archived, it won't get reviewed.
[12:10] <ScottK> We need a REVU admin to figure out why it won't go away.
[12:10]  * persia looks
[12:10] <ScottK> mok0: Are you a review admin?
[12:11] <mok0> ScottK, yes
[12:11] <ScottK> Ah.  nevermind mok0, persia got to it first.
[12:11] <persia> More eyes don't hurt :)
[12:11] <persia> Nuked fine for me.  Dunno.
[12:12]  * mok0 < lunch
[12:12] <persia> Can anyone else see it?
[12:12] <ScottK> permissions issue?
[12:13] <persia> Quite possibly.
[12:13] <hakaishi> thank you persia. Thank you all ^^
[12:13] <persia> Would need a REVU Hacker to dig through the logs to be sure.
[12:13] <ScottK> It's gone now.  That's for sure.
[12:13] <persia> Yes.  Very gone.
[12:14] <hakaishi> see you, bye bye :)
[12:40]  * mok0 > burp
[12:40] <mok0> Did you solve the REVU problem?
[12:41] <mok0> Ah yes good
[12:41]  * mok0 < coffee
[13:30] <lfaraone> If a package has a patch applied in Ubuntu, and the patch was applied upstream in Debian (with no other changes on Debian's side) does it make sense to request a sync or should we wait for A) the next cycle or B) when they make some important changes :)
[13:32] <persia> Either A) or B), whichever comes first.
[13:32] <persia> otherwise it's just a waste of archive-admin time.
[13:34] <nigelb> what does the Replaces: filed in control file do?
[13:40] <persia> nigelb: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[13:40]  * nigelb fails at hunting through docs
[14:02] <filip> hi :)
[15:39] <filip> any ideas why this pinning doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/ZvzbNXmr ?
[15:39] <filip> it does on another machine just fine, and I am unable to spot the difference
[15:42] <geser> missing Release file perhaps?
[15:47] <filip> geser: I do have it in the archive
[15:47] <filip> geser: and I am able to install things from this archive
[15:49] <geser> and both machines have the same Release file? (as I see it's a file:-repository)
[15:50] <geser> did you run "apt-get update" after pinning? (not sure if it's needed but I needed also some attempts will it worked when I last setup pinning)
[15:51] <filip> geser: yes I did
[16:15] <jariq> This may not be the right channel but I know there are C gurus here :) I've got a huge problem: My_app uses openssl1.0 as shared library and also uses unixodbc as shared library. Unixodbc loads postgresql driver that depends on OTHER VERSION of openssl0.9.8. And that is the point where my app segfaults. Any ideas how to fix this? Why can't my program use two versions of same shared library? Scheme is: openssl0.9.8 <---> pgsql <
[16:21] <geser> you don't need a C guru a library expert
[17:45] <nigelb> debian bug 515054
[17:46] <nigelb> A fix was reported in debian last year.  Is this worth an nmu so we can sync it next time?
[18:21] <nigelb> can someone guide me on changing to source format 3.0 on a package?
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: like changing from old format to 3.0 or vice versa?
[18:25] <nigelb> old format to 3.0
[18:25] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: ah no idea there :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: #ubuntu-packaging might know how tho
[18:26] <nigelb> I didn't know there existed such a channel
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: its a shiny new channel
[18:26] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: a closely guarded secret
[18:27] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: its quiet most of the time but youll probably get a answer here or there
[18:27] <nigelb> I'll stick here since there is a chance of someone reading scroll back
[18:28] <hyperair> nigelb: echo '3.0 (quilt)' > debian/source/format
[18:28] <hyperair> nigelb: that's all there is to it.
[18:28] <hyperair> nigelb: well there's also the de-patch-system-ization
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> hyperair: really? i knew that but wasnt sure :P
[18:29] <nigelb> hyperair: thats exactly that I want, modifying the rules file
[18:29] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: yeah, that's all there is to it, but if you have a patch system, you have to remove it.
[18:29] <shadeslayer_> hyperair: and is there a doc on the new rules file?
[18:29] <nigelb> the package uses quilt now
[18:29] <shadeslayer_> all the new stuff with dh and dh --with-quilt
[18:29] <hyperair> nigelb: use a quilt patch system, drop whatever patch system build-dep in the debian/control, and remove any patch/unpatch things in debian/rules
[18:30] <nigelb> thats it?
[18:30] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: --with=quilt
[18:30] <hyperair> nigelb: yes.
[18:30] <nigelb> o_0
[18:30] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: and you should get rid of that when going to 3.0 (quilt)
[18:30] <shadeslayer_> hyperair: oh yes... im new to the format
[18:30] <shadeslayer_> ok
[18:30] <hyperair> nigelb: dpkg-source will take care of the rest.
[18:30] <hyperair> nigelb: the next time you debuild or whatever, it'll generate a 3.0 package.
[18:30] <shadeslayer_> hyperair: so is there a doc on the new format?
[18:30] <nigelb> no need to say 3.0 in control?
[18:31] <hyperair> nigelb: no.
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: nah
[18:31] <nigelb> cool :)
[18:31] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: there is, but i'm lazy to look for it.
[18:31] <nigelb> how do I add a new patch then?
[18:31] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: it's easier to just vomit out whatever i have in my head, since there's so little.
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> hyperair: lol.. ok ill pester you tommorow then :D
[18:31] <hyperair> nigelb: the same way you do for a normal quilt patch system.
[18:31] <nigelb> aha :)
[18:31] <hyperair> nigelb: the difference is when the patches are applied.
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> my exams get over tomorrow and then ill learn the new stuff :D
[18:32] <nigelb> hyperair: build versus unpackage?
[18:32] <hyperair> nigelb: in 1.0, the patches are applied by debian/rules. in 3.0, the patches are applied by dpkg-source when unpacking.
[18:32] <hyperair> nigelb: yeah.
[18:32] <hyperair> shadeslayer_: good for you. my exams are in approximately a month.
[18:32] <nigelb> hyperair: thank you for the quick lesson :)
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> nigelb: btw how long did you use ubuntu before becoming a member?
[18:32] <nigelb> shadeslayer_: 1 year
[18:32] <hyperair> that's pretty fast
[18:32] <hyperair> i took a few.
[18:32]  * ejat poke hyperair ..
[18:33]  * hyperair dodges
[18:33] <ejat> hyperair: when is your next semester brake ?
[18:33] <hyperair> ejat: may.
[18:33] <ejat> hyperair: can u conduct a packaging @ patch class for us
[18:33] <ejat> :p
[18:33] <hyperair> ejat: haha maybe. see how.
[18:33] <ejat> i just have a few in my ppa .. not like u :)
[18:34] <hyperair> ejat: i'll probably end up showing you the debian policy manual =p
[18:34] <ejat> may ? a few month to go ..
[18:34] <hyperair> ya
[18:34] <ejat> :(
[18:34] <hyperair> hehe
[18:34] <ejat> at least hands on / sample packaging  @ patching ..
[18:35] <hyperair> just apt-get source packages and see how it's done
[18:37]  * ejat not for me .. but for the other member :)
[18:38] <hyperair> =p
[18:41] <ejat> :p
[18:46] <nigelb> should I be seeing "W: galrey source: quilt-series-but-no-build-dep"?
[18:46] <nigelb> hyperair: ^
[18:47] <hyperair> nigelb: did you echo 3.0 (quilt) into debian/source/format?
[18:47]  * nigelb headdesks
[18:47] <hyperair> hehehehehe
[18:48] <nigelb> now I get "E: galrey source: unsupported-source-format 3.0 (quilt)"
[18:48] <nigelb> is that because I'm doing this in karmic?
[18:49] <hyperair> you need a new lintian
[18:49] <nigelb> so upload would get through fine right?
[18:49] <hyperair>  *** 2.3.3ubuntu2~karmic1 0 500 http://linux.ntuoss.org karmic-backports/main Packages
[18:49] <hyperair> use karmic-backports and install the new lintian
[18:53] <nigelb> okay, now I only have "E: galrey source: missing-build-dependency quilt"
[18:55]  * nigelb pokes hyperair
[18:55] <persia> nigelb: Try in a lucid chroot.  I suspect that's a dpkg bug.
[18:55] <hyperair> nigelb: are you sure you have a 3.0 package there?
[18:55] <persia> Or insufficient removal of the patch system.
[18:56] <hyperair> nigelb: did you remove the quilt bits from the debian/rules?
[18:56] <nigelb> I removed the build dep, removed patch and unpatch from rules, and did the echo
[18:56] <persia> nigelb: Did you check for any include in debian/rules that may need to be removed?
[18:56] <nigelb> "include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make" has to go?
[18:56] <nigelb> persia: ah
[18:56] <hyperair> nigelb: check if you've got a ../package_version.debian.tar.gz
[18:56]  * hyperair sighs
[18:57] <nigelb> yeah, I do
[18:57] <hyperair> yeah it was that include
[18:57] <hyperair> i thought i told you to remove all trace of the patch system =\
[18:57] <hyperair> traces*
[18:57] <nigelb> I mistakenly thought that quilt 3.0 and that was related
[18:58] <persia> quite the opposite, actually.
[18:59] <nigelb> persia: look at what just happened.  found an ubuntu patch. now, I'm uploading debian fix.  irony
[19:00] <persia> Why?
[19:00] <hyperair> what irony?
[19:00] <persia> Was it not a bug in Debian?
[19:00] <persia> Did it not need fixing?
[19:00] <nigelb> bug upstream, needed fixing, yes
[19:01] <nigelb> irony is.  we started at reducing the number of reviewers subscribed bugs to <200 and here I am fixing 1 bug (which is good btw)
[19:01] <persia> Why upload in Debian, rather than getting it all the way upstream?
[19:01] <persia> Yeah, that happens :)
[19:03] <nigelb> persia: getting to debian was self reasons of getting something to debian
[19:03] <hyperair> getting things into debian should always be the first choice =p
[19:03] <hyperair> because syncs are sexy.
[19:04] <persia> hyperair: No.  Getting stuff upstream should be the first choice.
[19:04] <hyperair> er. right.
[19:04] <persia> Because syncs + no patches in packaging are even sexier.
[19:04] <hyperair> sorry, i had the wrong context.
[19:04] <hyperair> =p
[19:04] <hyperair> agreed.
[19:04] <nigelb> duploading to mentors now :)
[19:05] <persia> Mind you, I agree we should always let Debian know about the issues and share the patches.  I just don't think the job is done just because Debian is informed when we're doing patch review.
[19:06] <nigelb> Oh great mentors just rejected my upload
[19:06] <hyperair> lol
[19:06] <nigelb> Your .dsc file (galrey_1.0.2-4.dsc) mentions a file named
[19:06] <nigelb> 'galrey_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz' which is part of the source package
[19:06] <nigelb> that isn't in the repository apparently
[19:06] <hyperair> debuild -S -sa
[19:06] <hyperair> the -sa is important.
[19:06] <hyperair> even if you use dpkg-buildpackag
[19:06] <hyperair> e]
[19:06] <hyperair> it makes the .orig.tar.gz get uploaded
[19:07] <nigelb> ah, never knew
[19:08] <hyperair> haven't you ever uploaded to a PA?
[19:08] <hyperair> PPA*
[19:09] <nigelb> nope
[19:09] <nigelb> only attached debdiffs to bug reports
[19:10] <hyperair> heh
[19:10] <hyperair> i see.
[19:22] <nigelb> wonder why I dont get a mail after so long
[19:34] <nigelb> any DD's around to sponsor a fix in debian?
[19:48] <micahg> nigelb: I thought there was a way to upload NMUs w/out a sponsor
[19:48] <micahg> with a delay
[19:48] <nigelb> micahg: its a QA upload
[19:50] <micahg> nigelb: so it's orphaned?
[19:50] <nigelb> micahg: yup.  I asked on debian-mentors channel.  They said, just do a QA upload
[19:58] <iulian> One cannot upload anything to the official Debian archive without being either a DD or DM.
[19:59]  * hyperair would like to become a DM, but is in a place too geographically remote to get a signature.
[20:00]  * nigelb is worried about that too
[20:00] <AnAnt> hyperair: I have the same case
[20:00] <hyperair> AnAnt: i suspect it's not uncommon.
[20:00] <hyperair> what a troublesome policy.
[20:00] <AnAnt> I was told to at least get a signature from someone that is in web of trust
[20:00] <hyperair> yeah exactly.
[20:00] <iulian> hyperair: I had the same problem as well.
[20:00] <hyperair> but there is nobody around this region within that web of trust.
[20:01] <AnAnt> hyperair: did you search on biglumber ?
[20:01] <hyperair> AnAnt: what's that?
[20:01] <AnAnt> http://biglumber.com/x/web
[20:02] <hyperair> hmm cool
[20:02] <AnAnt> hyperair: there are 14 names in China
[20:02] <jorgerosa> hello all
[20:02]  * hyperair coughs
[20:03] <AnAnt> hyperair: I guessed from your name
[20:03] <hyperair> AnAnt: if i were in china i think it would be easier to find DDs.
[20:03] <hyperair> AnAnt: i've never been to china.
[20:03] <hyperair> AnAnt: i'm malaysian, studying in singapore.
[20:03] <AnAnt> hyperair: I think there is a DD in Malaysia
[20:03] <hyperair> and i have never experienced natural winter before.
[20:03] <hyperair> wait, there is?
[20:03] <hyperair> last i checked, there wasn't.
[20:03] <hyperair> ejat: do you know any DD in malaysia?
[20:05] <AnAnt> hyperair: sorry, I was mistaken
[20:06] <AnAnt> well, there are 8 names in singapore
[20:06] <hyperair> ah well
[20:06] <hyperair> nevermind
[20:06] <nigelb> yaay
[20:07] <nigelb> 1 DD in my city
[20:07] <hyperair> heh how nice
[20:07] <nigelb> when I get to that stage, that would help
[20:07] <hyperair> hmm come to think of it, i wonder if mario behling is connected to debian's web of trust.
[20:07] <hyperair> he's been around here a few times
[20:10] <jorgerosa> Is anyone here able to upload games (or submit for review, etc... I dunno) to ubuntu repository?
[20:10] <AnAnt> hyperair: if you know his key ID, you can check it
[20:10] <hyperair> AnAnt: heh i don't.
[20:10] <hyperair> i'll go poke him the next time i see him
[20:10] <AnAnt> hyperair: you can search for it, if you know his email
[20:11] <hyperair> i think he doesn't have one =O
[20:13] <nigelb> how to check if a person is in the web of trust?
[20:16] <AnAnt> nigelb: try checking his key on http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/stats/<keyID>.html
[20:17] <AnAnt> nigelb: or you can use keyanalyze tool from signing-party package
[20:17] <nigelb> AnAnt: what is the keyID there?
[20:17] <AnAnt> nigelb: replace it iwth the GPG keyID of that person
[20:18] <nigelb> AnAnt: the short ID?
[20:18] <AnAnt> yup
[20:18] <nigelb> ugh, how do I find that
[20:18] <nigelb> I only see the finger print
[20:19] <AnAnt> ?
[20:19] <nigelb> CC18 3BF4 9D17 1DA7 E11E 67D3 1729 F586 6A9F 3C38 ?
[20:19] <AnAnt> gpg --list-key <person>
[20:19] <AnAnt> nigelb: is his key in your keyring ?
[20:19] <nigelb> nope
[20:20] <AnAnt> nigelb: I think you can search for his key using the fingerprint
[20:20] <nigelb> aha :)
[20:20] <AnAnt> nigelb: try it
[20:21] <nigelb> AnAnt: doing now :)
[20:22] <nigelb> AnAnt: gpg --search-keys <fingerprint> not working
[20:23] <AnAnt> do you know his email ?
[20:24] <nigelb> yeah
[20:24] <jpds> nigelb: The short ID, is the last 8 digits of the fingerprint; ie. 6A9F3C38
[20:24] <MTecknology> Any chance you guys have any ideas what is causing this compile error? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41314423/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.nginx_0.8.34-0ppa4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:24] <nigelb> jpds: ah, thanks :)
[20:25] <nigelb> so how do I figure out if that person is in the web of trust?
[20:26] <MTecknology> "error: 'ngx_http_request_t' has no member named 'utf8'" This is the best I can figure out in the errors but I don't know what's causing it
[20:28] <jpds> nigelb: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/
[20:29] <nigelb> jpds: I got to that page, but how do I figure it out?
[20:29] <AnAnt> nigelb: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/stats/<keyID>.html
[20:29] <jpds> nigelb: See if someone's key is signed by DDs basically.
[20:30] <nigelb> i.e. @debian.og?
[20:31] <AnAnt> nigelb: the guy is a DD !
[20:31] <nigelb> wait, all DD are trusted right?
[20:31] <nigelb> and anyone who got signed are trusted again?
[20:31] <AnAnt> nigelb: usually, yes
[20:32] <nigelb> like DD signs my key, then I can sign someone else's key and they are also trusted?
[20:32] <AnAnt> nigelb: I think so
[23:13] <^arky^> Any chance of getting this bug 541721 fix into lucid now ?
[23:18] <geser> ^arky^: why subscribing ubuntu-release? ubuntu-sponsors is more correct as you don't need a FFe or similar (just someone sponsoring)
[23:20] <ScottK> geser: I just removed the release team.
[23:25] <^arky^> geser: sorry, didn't know that
[23:26] <^arky^> geser: thanks for subscribing ubuntu-sponser team
[23:39] <crimsun> ^arky^: in the future, please remember to also modify debian/control given that you've introduced a new Ubuntu delta
[23:39] <crimsun> ^arky^: uploaded, thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu Lucid!
[23:49] <crimsun> would someone add me to ~ubuntu-sponsors, please?
[23:51] <^arky^> crimsun: Thank you for quick upload !
[23:55] <^arky^> crimsun: I usually do 'dch -i' thought this would also edit debian/control ?
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> dch -i shouldn't ever modify debian/control, afaik
[23:59] <^arky^> JontheEchidna: then I should always manually edit debian/control after doing dch -i ?
[23:59] <geser> ^arky^: update-maintainer
[23:59] <geser> from ubuntu-dev-tools


[20:44] <thomi> barry: got time for a quick call in 15 minutes or so?
[20:45] <barry> thomi: sure
[20:50] <nuclearbob> I need to figure out why some freenode channels crash my client
[20:50] <thomi> barry: errr, got time now?
[20:50] <thomi> barry: a bit earlier than predicted :)
[20:50] <barry> thomi: sure - i can procrastinate finishing my email to qa a little longer :)  i'm on g+
[20:51] <thomi> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gv6tlpgh2nef2txxd3hpm7es5aa?authuser=1&hl=en - in case the invite doesn't get through


[10:40] <xnox> cjwatson: gobject-based C library -> so not using vala?
[10:51] <cjwatson> xnox: no
[10:52] <cjwatson> xnox: mostly because I don't know it (yet), TBH
[10:52] <cjwatson> xnox: but also wasn't sure how bindings to a library written in vala would work
[10:54] <xnox> cjwatson: fair enough =) i remember pitti to advocate it a lot for "g-object libraries" due to removing G_OBJECT_* type-system boiler-plate and easier memory management. Probably not enough benefit alone to learn C# syntax just for this project.
[10:55] <cjwatson> I would like to learn it at some point, certainly, but didn't want to bloat the critical path too much ...
[21:01] <pitti> stgraber, mdeslaur, kees, stgraber: TB meeting?
[21:02] <pitti> not that we'd have much of an agenda
[21:03]  * pitti certainly is glad that "discuss init system" isn't on it :-P
[21:03] <mdeslaur> \o
[21:03] <mdeslaur> pitti: hehe :)
[21:04]  * stgraber waves
[21:04] <mdeslaur> hrm, infinity was supposed to chair
[21:05] <pitti> well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda doesn't have much anyway
[21:05]  * mdeslaur nods
[21:05] <pitti> kees was leading the MRE review, and he's celebrating MLK
[21:06] <pitti> stgraber, mdeslaur: do you have anything to discuss?
[21:06] <mdeslaur> not me, no
[21:08] <mdeslaur> pitti, stgraber: shall we cancel?
[21:08] <pitti> WFM
[21:09] <pitti> so, "see" you in two weeks
[21:09] <pitti> bumped the date on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[21:09] <mdeslaur> great, thanks
[21:09]  * mdeslaur waves
[21:11] <stgraber> nothing to discuss, happy to skip
[21:11] <pitti> so, good night!