[06:51] <nevyn> btw what the hell is with every modern mp3/video player wanting to "manage" my media.
[06:52] <Xenguy> Scooter: I've seen that - I like the 'double-pane' file manager paradigm -- try krusader, I think you might like it (it is more resource hungry, but other than that ...)
[06:52] <randabis> kakalto you might wanna check out vlc too
[06:52] <Scooter> <randabis Thankyou, that is a KILLer command!  I don't want the player to do it.
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, last time I checked, mplayer, xmms, totem, and others didn't manage anything
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> they just played
[06:54] <swim> hay! hoary users, what happened to the panel mail notification thing? its not in right click panel "add to panel"
[06:54] <Scooter> ok getting krusader :) Thankyou
[06:54] <randabis> only ones in linux I know of that do music management are rhythmbox and amarok
[06:55] <randabis> maybe kaffiene too but I haven't used it
[06:56] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: btw.. 60gig of mp3's is still non-trivial
[06:56] <nevyn> 30 or so of music videos
[06:56] <randabis> I would use beep if I could get it to add whole directories....
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes, and you choose to manage it yourself
[06:56] <swim> anyone know where the panel mail notification thing is???
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> apps to help you manage that aren't inherently a bad thing
[06:57] <randabis> I have all my music in one folder called mp3...beep won't add just that folder...wants me to do all the individual directories...that would take forever
[06:57] <Scooter> is it possible to format the MBR? I have bloody fedora on other partition, and it wont let me install Ubuntu MBR... i wanna Nuke it , and try installing Ubuntu again
[06:57] <randabis> I was thinking about just making a playlist in xmms and then loading it in beep, but my xmms is broken for some od reason
[06:58] <swim> so is noone using hoary? or are you all just ignoring me?
[06:58] <K-Rich> Scooter: got a dos/win bootdisk? if so 'fdisk /mbr'
[06:58] <K-Rich> warty here
[06:58] <randabis> I'm using hoary swim, I just don't know the answer to your question
[06:59] <swim> randabis, could you right click on your panel and select add to panel and then see if the mail notification is in there?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> swim: I think it was being redone
 Thanks :), i will try that.. If not working i will re install the 32 bit windows... Great Idea :) I did not think about useing windows to fix linux LOL!
[06:59] <Scooter> I had to re-install it some time anyways..
[06:59] <Scooter> so I install windows then Ubuntu :D
[07:00] <swim> HrdwrBoB, meaning that could be a reason the notification thing is not in the rightclick add to panel thing?
[07:00] <K-Rich> Scooter: no need, just use the boot disk from say win98 :)   Lemme check if the linux fdisk has that real fast
[07:00] <randabis> swim sure one sec
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> swim: yes
[07:00] <swim> HrdwrBoB, ok cool
[07:01] <Scooter> well, i got to re-install anyways, ther is nothin there, I just installed it to fill the partition1 with a M$ os
[07:01] <Scooter> my actual windows is 64 biton diffrent partition
[07:01] <randabis> I don't have anywhere free on my panel to add anything...lol
[07:01] <randabis> I have everything on one panel
[07:01] <Scooter> the only reason I have 32 bit windows partition is so I can install DOOM 3 and copy over to linux and win 64 LOL!
[07:02] <swim> my goodness
[07:02] <randabis> why not just install doom3 natively in linux?
[07:02] <Scooter> is this possible?
[07:02] <randabis> yes
[07:02] <Br34ch> Okay, so  . . . heh, yeah, this is the Linux nub. I kinda . . . clicked the "Delete the panel," for the upper panel . . . how can I get that back exactly for the default as it was?
[07:02] <Scooter> 0o
[07:02] <randabis> there's a linux port for doom3
[07:02] <crimsun> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
[07:03] <kakalto> yay
[07:03] <kakalto> linux is much smarter than win ;D
[07:03] <Vjaz> Success. Firefox works after upgrading the rest of the packages.
[07:03] <Scooter> Sweet Thanks!
[07:04] <swim> randabis, you dont actually have to add the mail notification thing just to check if its in there!
[07:04] <Guardiann> Br34ch right click on lowerv panel and add panel
[07:04] <Guardiann> #lower
[07:04] <Br34ch> Well, yes I did . . . but how can I get the default panel back . . . I don't remember what used to be there and whatnot
[07:04] <Br34ch> Isn't there some . . . uhm, magical thing, that I can . . . download, maybe? heh..
[07:05] <K-Rich> that sucked :P
[07:06] <Br34ch> Alright . . . if I was to add items to panel, corresponding the default as it was before - I would have to add certain first and certain last, correct? Or would I be able to manage them afterwards?
[07:07] <randabis> swim well I can't check because there's no room to even try and add anything to the panel
[07:07] <randabis> it'
[07:07] <randabis> it's completely filled up
[07:07] <randabis> I don't want to add another panel :/
[07:07] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: you can move items about the panel
[07:07] <Br34ch> How would I do that?
[07:08] <crimsun> Br34ch: middle-mouse click the item and drag
[07:08] <Br34ch> I kinda don't have the "middle-mouse button" . . . :\
[07:08] <Zotnix> Do you have a wheel?
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: right click, move
[07:09] <K-Rich> oh hey, i wore the Ubuntu T-Shirt i made to the pub tonigh and ended up handing out 6 CDs :P
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> if it's locked, you need to unlock it
[07:10] <swim> randabis, all I need to know is if its in the list... so just right click on the panel and select add to panel and a list will pop up, just tell me if its in that list... then click cancel...
[07:10] <Zotnix> Also if you have a mouse wheel (or nub) that can be pushed that is often used as a "middle click"
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> both buttons together can also be used as middle click
[07:11] <Br34ch> thanks, that works well
[07:11] <randabis> swim I CAN'T select add to panel
[07:11] <randabis> that's what I've been saying this whole time
[07:11] <randabis> there is no add to panel option
[07:12] <randabis> because my panel is completely full
[07:12] <swim> ok that sounds ridiculous but whatever man
[07:12] <Scooter> Well that Xkill really works great! just dont Kill the desktop in XFCE, you loose the COntext menu and have to restart X to get it back LOL!
[07:12] <K-Rich> a full panel? make the panel smaller maybe
[07:12] <Zotnix> swim, once I accidently put my panel on the side. It filled up the entire panel and I couldn't click anywhere to move it back (as the applets stretched oddly).
[07:13] <Br34ch> What exactly is Panel Notification Area?
[07:14] <Zotnix> It's an applet that puts icons in on your panel for programs that put icons in it.. much like in Windows near the clock.
[07:14] <randabis> Scooter LOL
[07:14] <Zotnix> When you run gaim, it puts an icon in there.
[07:14] <Zotnix> Wow... that sentence made no sense.
[07:15] <Br34ch> I understood.. thanks :)
[07:15] <Scooter> I got Xkill on my context menu and a cool Icon in my Pannel, Thanks for the tip :)
[07:15] <randabis> swim this is what my desktop looks like http://img28.exs.cx/img28/9176/lol0xi.jpg
[07:16] <Zotnix> randabis, How'd you do that transparent terminal? I've tried to do that for awhile.
[07:16] <randabis> actually looks a little different now...that's from a few days ago
[07:16] <Zotnix> aterm?
[07:16] <randabis> no, Terminal
[07:16] <randabis> I installed it from the xfce site
[07:17] <swim> ok randabis it looks like theres probably a tiny bit of room between "Desktop"  menu and window list. But...  whats your bottom panel?
[07:17] <randabis> I don't have a bottom panel, and that's an old shot, that space you see is no longer there
[07:18] <randabis> well actually that space you see actually isn't free space
[07:18] <randabis> that's just how the two applets line up
[07:18] <Scooter> nice :)
[07:18] <randabis> right-clicking there allows me to remove the window list, or change its properties
[07:19] <randabis> okay
[07:19] <randabis> I shrunk the window list temporarily
[07:19] <randabis> I did add panel, there's no mail notification applet
[07:20] <swim> thank you very much
[07:20] <swim> now I know its not just me
[07:20] <K-Rich> i think i'm the only person nerdy enough to pass out CDs at the pub
[07:20] <randabis> hah
 how come your pannel looks so nice? mine looks like some GTK project...
[07:22] <randabis> I tweaked it a bit, most of the niceness is from the theme I'm using
 I was passing out knoppix cds at the pub last week LOL!
[07:22] <Scooter> is that the XFCE pannel?
[07:23] <randabis> no that's gnome
[07:23] <randabis> I can show you what my xfce looks like on my laptop
[07:23] <Scooter> Oh!  iget it :)
[07:24] <randabis> http://img92.exs.cx/img92/8647/xfcelaptop3en.jpg
[07:24] <K-Rich> randabis: gdesklets menu thing?
[07:24] <Scooter> nice Blue :)
[07:24] <randabis> yeah I keep the laptop blue and the main box green because my main box IS green
[07:25] <randabis> K-Rich yep :)
[07:25] <Scooter> lol
[07:25] <Scooter> I use XFCE on my desktop systems.. I like how simple it is, and the BOOT time
[07:26] <Scooter> I am learning linux, I need to use command line as much as possible :)
[07:26] <randabis> yeah, I just like my gnome eye candy :) It boots plenty fast for me too
[07:26] <randabis> gnome is a little laggy on the laptop though...rightfully so...it's old
[07:27] <nevyn> ok..
[07:27] <nevyn> X is running and gdm is working.
[07:27] <K-Rich> Scooter: make seperate .xinitrc files for all X apps then use a script to 'cp ~/xinit/.xinitrc.gimp ~/.xinitrc'
[07:27] <K-Rich> lol
[07:27] <nevyn> every now and then I come back to my computer and X has died and the screen says ... please restart gdm after making sure X is correctly configured.
[07:27] <Scooter> 0o
[07:27] <Br34ch> I was just looking at that wallpaper yesterday . . . for some psycholigcal site or something
[07:28] <Tuxicity> Anyone knows a lot about PSUs?
[07:28] <Zotnix_> I just crashed Ubuntu...
[07:28] <nevyn> Tuxicity: the heavier the better?
[07:28] <Zotnix_> :(
[07:28] <duncanm> hola
[07:28] <duncanm> is hoary stable right now?
[07:28] <Tuxicity> nevyn, my fan doesnt make any wind, is this normal?
[07:29] <nevyn> how old is it?
[07:29] <Tuxicity> nevyn, new!
[07:29] <Br34ch> randabis: I crashed Ubuntu too some time ago.. I was getting "Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details" that ... for Xfce, what was it that you had suggested again?
[07:30] <randabis> you'll need the development libraries for glib
[07:30] <randabis> I forget the exact package name :/
[07:30] <randabis> I can look
[07:30] <Tuxicity> nevyn, i mean it spins, but compared to my other systems, it "blows" (does not actually)
[07:30] <duncanm> i ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my machine today and GNOME kinda stopped working
[07:31] <randabis> Br34ch, you need libglib2.0-dev
[07:31] <nevyn> Tuxicity: it's spinning. don't worry about it.
[07:31] <Br34ch> And I should get it by Synaptic?
[07:32] <nevyn> Br34ch: just install xfce from universe.
[07:32] <Zotnix_> I tried running "lightspeed" from hoary and... my whole computer locked. Couldn't move my mouse, couldn't ctrl+alt+F1 to tty1
[07:32] <Zotnix_> :(
[07:32] <Br34ch> I'm a . . . nub
[07:32] <Zotnix_> So I had to hit my hard reset button.
[07:32] <randabis> the xfce in universe is old though :/
[07:32] <K-Rich> my lame desktop http://img173.exs.cx/img173/3557/screenshot1kq.png
[07:33] <randabis> Br34ch yes, or just sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[07:33] <randabis> you'll need some other development libraries to install xfce 4.2 as well
[07:33] <randabis> it will tell you what's missing
[07:33] <randabis> just do synaptic searches for each thing it doesn't have
[07:34] <randabis> make sure you get the development libraries, not just the runtimes
[07:34] <Tuxicity> nevyn, BIOS doesnt mention case fan RPM, just CPU fan RPM...
[07:34] <randabis> K-Rich, nice and clean, I like
[07:35] <Br34ch> Got it, thanks again
[07:35] <nevyn> Tuxicity: it's possibly NC
[07:35] <Tuxicity> nevyn, NC means?
[07:35] <randabis> np
[07:35] <nevyn> Tuxicity: not connected
[07:35] <K-Rich> randabis: yeah, you shoul;d see my dads deskop (though it's winxp) most cluttered mess i've ever seen lol
[07:35] <nevyn> as in the sensor is not connected to the motherboard.
[07:35] <randabis> haha
[07:36] <Tuxicity> nevyn, err, aint the sensor part of th MB?
[07:36] <nevyn> no.
[07:36] <nevyn> the sensor would be in the fan.
[07:37] <randabis> haha <3 streamripper
[07:37] <randabis> just keeps ripping away
[07:37] <nevyn> anyway gone... tv.
[07:37] <Tuxicity> nevyn, ooooh, do all power supplys come with a sensor?
[07:39] <pestil> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!! my top menus dissappeared!!!! Applications and Computer menus are gone!!!!
[07:39] <pestil> what do I do???
[07:39] <pestil> I can't even take a screenshot!!!!
[07:39] <pestil> aaaaaaah!
[07:40] <pestil> WHAT DO I DO???
[07:41] <K-Rich> ctrl-alt-f1  then 'sudo killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel' then alt-f7
[07:41] <Zotnix_> K-Rich, beat me to it.
[07:42] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: great minds :)
[07:42] <HappyFool> oh. i was going to suggest logging out and erasing ~/.gnome and associated directories. good thing i didn't ;)
[07:42] <pestil> K-Rich is it possible to bring it back without killing it all? I've been dowloading a huge file for hours and it will be done in about half hour
[07:42] <K-Rich> pestil: the file should continue to download :)
[07:42] <pestil> oh
[07:42] <K-Rich> it just prings the menus (gnome-panel) back
[07:43] <pestil> brb
[07:43] <Zotnix_> Hope he remembers how to come back.
[07:43] <K-Rich> lol
[07:44] <pestil> umm, I went F1 till F8, which brought me back?
[07:44] <K-Rich> thats ok
[07:44] <K-Rich> :)
[07:44] <pestil> It all went black and asked for login. I entered it.
[07:44] <K-Rich> got your panel back ?
[07:45] <pestil> then I typed startx and it said fatal error cuz is used on 0
[07:45] <pestil> so I started banging F1, F2 F3 until I ended here like around in F22
[07:45] <pestil> WAIT! right click the desktop just gave me a terminal! woohoo!
[07:45] <K-Rich> heh
[07:46] <pestil> what can I type here? (the panels were killed)
[07:46] <pestil> what do I type at the terminal?
[07:46] <pestil> xkill
[07:46] <K-Rich> sudo killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel
[07:47] <pestil> gnome-panel gives "Error> A panel was detected running, and will be terminated now"
[07:47] <pestil> lemme try again. brb
[07:47] <K-Rich> type what i said and all should be good :P
[07:48] <pestil> K-Rich, it gave me the error dialog again, but this time the menus came back!!!! WOOOHOOOOOO!
[07:48] <randabis> lol
[07:48] <K-Rich> heh
[07:48] <pestil> you're genius! best of all, all the apps are still in the taskbar!  I swallowed most all the ubuntu forums and couldn't come up with that?
[07:49] <randabis> schweet
[07:49] <pestil> K-Rich CHEERS
[07:50] <K-Rich> pestil: 4 years nothing but *nix
[07:50] <randabis> I knows my *nix pretty well too...always learning though
[07:50] <pestil> K-Rich: dammit, those dialogs keep popping up.  Menus at the top reappeared. EVERYTHING'S FINE!!
[07:52] <K-Rich> ROFLMAO
[07:52] <randabis> poor gnome :/
[07:52] <randabis> haha
[07:52] <randabis> sorry I got greedy
[07:52] <K-Rich> np
[07:53] <pestil> And the apps in the taskbar are *intact* Not even Explorer in Win2k could do that when I nuke it through taskbar
[07:53] <randabis> that's because you only killed gnome-panel and not the apps
[07:53] <K-Rich> pestil: the joys of *nix
[07:53] <pestil> K-Rich: moments like this are where Ubuntu shines at making good impressions. GRANTED IF THERE'S XCHAT ACCESS
[07:54] <pestil> K-Rich: If PayPal worked in my country, I'd toss you some real Heannukas right now
[07:54] <randabis> forums are generally pretty good too...the great thing about ubuntu is there are PLENTY of online resources
[07:54] <setite> my ubuntu discs came!!!!
[07:54] <randabis> awesome
[07:54] <setite> i thought i wouldnt see them till after hoary was released
[07:54] <pestil> whoppeeee. Let me print those instructions for next emergency!
[07:55] <randabis> what do the pressed cds look like anyway?
[07:55] <Zotnix_> They have nekkid people and stuff.
[07:55] <Suva> Cool
[07:55] <randabis> gotta love the nekkidz
[07:55] <Zotnix_> ubuntu-calendar is in hoary I think... maybe warty.
[07:55] <Zotnix_> They have the artwork from the CDs
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich, thanks for the 911, man.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> Which include nekkid women.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> But nothing shows.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> Heh
[07:56] <Suva> So... Anyways... Does anybody here use ubuntu? :)
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich, just before I leave, umm, does what I just experienced happen a lot? Is there a way to avoid it in the future?
[07:56] <Suva> And is it really "better" than debian?
[07:56] <crimsun> Suva: none of us do. We all use Windows.
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich: heck, without those two menus, people die!
[07:57] <K-Rich> pestil: i've had it happen 2 times in 4 years :P
[07:57] <crimsun> Suva: "better" is subjective, but it's safe to assume most of us prefer it for most applications to $any_other_distro
[07:57] <Zotnix_> Anyone else having problems with gnome-theme-manager in hoary? Mine seems to like to keep scrolling to the top of the list.
[07:57] <K-Rich> pestil: naw, as long as you can get to a terminal :)
[07:57] <Zotnix_> (can't scroll down)
[07:57] <Zotnix_> I installed a bit in the way of themes..
[07:57] <jesuel> i have to say im quite impressed with ubuntu
[07:57] <jesuel> :)
[07:58] <randabis> :)
[07:58] <Suva> So what is the installer like?
[07:58] <Zotnix_> Simple.
[07:58] <jesuel> simple
[07:58] <Suva> Is it just debian installer?
[07:58] <Zotnix_> Doesn't offer much in the way of options.
[07:58] <Suva> Or something different?
[07:58] <pestil> whew. That's good then. I just noticed that Ubuntu has terminal access first option in right click desktop. Hadn't it been for this, I would've though it uselss
[07:58] <K-Rich> randabis: there is a red one and an orange one, the red one is live-cd the orange is install and it has those 3 people on the cover, i just ordered aother 35 disks for my lug meetings etc.
[07:58] <randabis> cool
[07:58] <jdub> Suva: streamlined new debian-installer
[07:58] <randabis> Suva yes it's based on the sarge installer
[07:58] <Suva> But it's modified?
[07:59] <randabis> not really, a little bit
[07:59] <Suva> Oh, ok
[07:59] <jesuel> its really shiny :)
[07:59] <K-Rich> yeah, says Ubuntu rather than Debian lol
[07:59] <jesuel> it "Works"
[07:59] <randabis> hooray for streamripper :p
[07:59] <pestil> K-Rich: last question, I promise. How do I get to applications:/// from the terminal? without using nautilus? (just in case)
[07:59] <Suva> So far I have concidered debian the best distribution
[07:59] <jesuel> haha yeah randa
[07:59] <jesuel> getting your mp3 fix eh?
[08:00] <Suva> (That's why I am using SuSE)
[08:00] <pestil> K-Rich: or the directory where the "Screenshot" and "Log out" options are?
[08:00] <jesuel> eww suse ..
[08:00] <K-Rich> pestil: good question, i always use nautilus... but i think it's a file under ~/.gnome
[08:00] <jesuel> suse imho has alot of fluff
[08:00] <randabis> jesuel indeed
[08:00] <setite> the nekkid eople are a little ugly
[08:00] <Zotnix_> The guy has a big nose.
[08:00] <Suva> Well my laptop came preinstalled with SuSE :)
[08:00] <jesuel> interesting
[08:00] <Zotnix_> don't have much opinion on the women.
[08:00] <randabis> Suse is nice, I really hate YaST though...It's a blessing and a curse, mostly a curse
[08:00] <pestil> K-Rich: tausend thanx!!!  Let's just not talk about SaX :)
[08:01] <randabis> hmm...I wonder if streamtuner can do ogg...probably not
[08:01] <randabis> err
[08:01] <jesuel> no
[08:01] <randabis> streamripper lol
[08:01] <K-Rich> best system config tool is vi
[08:01] <K-Rich> :P
[08:01] <jesuel> not yet anyhow
[08:01] <Suva> randabis, it can
[08:01] <jesuel> K-Rich: agreed
[08:01] <jesuel> Suva: really?
[08:02] <Necrosan> How do I make the PPC version use SMP?
[08:02] <Suva> randabis, if you are ripping OGG stream
[08:02] <randabis> ah
[08:02] <pestil> K-Rich: bye
[08:02] <randabis> that makes sense
[08:02] <Suva> randabis, it doesn't encode anything, it just saves the stream
[08:02] <randabis> yeah I know
[08:02] <randabis> I suppose encode on the fly could be problematic
[08:02] <jesuel> especially on slower machines
[08:03] <Suva> Not really
[08:03] <Suva> It can be done
[08:03] <jesuel> or if you are doing more than 1 stream at a time
[08:03] <Suva> But what the hell do you encode anyways if the stream is ALLREADY encoded :D
[08:03] <randabis> I'm doing 3 right now
[08:03] <jesuel> still doing 6 ;p
[08:03] <randabis> hehe
[08:03] <jesuel> actually 7
[08:03] <Necrosan> Anyone?
[08:03] <jesuel> doing radiofreezion too ;p
[08:03] <jesuel> forgot about that one
[08:04] <Suva> And you won't get any sound improvment on converting MP3 to OGG :)
[08:04] <Zotnix_> I did that.
[08:04] <Zotnix_> It ruined a few mp3s
[08:04] <Zotnix_> But overall it worked. Saved some space.
[08:04] <Suva> Maybe
[08:04] <Suva> OGG has better quality on lower bitrates than MP3
[08:05] <Suva> Anyways there is the ICEcast protocol
[08:05] <Zotnix_> I REALLY wish they'd allow CD burning at a user level.
[08:05] <Suva> Which (mostly) runs on OGG
[08:05] <K-Rich> i use ogg now but i have like 12000 mp3s
[08:06] <Suva> K-Rich, converting them to OGG will lose quality
[08:06] <K-Rich> i know
[08:06] <Guardiann> Zotnix you mean with warty
[08:06] <Zotnix_> I didn't lose any quality.. o.O
[08:06] <K-Rich> though ripping to ogg is fine
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Guardiann, hoary
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Well, it's a kernel issue.
[08:06] <Agrajag> Yes you did, if you didn't notice it you just don't have sensitive hearing
[08:06] <jesuel> 12000 mp3's, thats a healthy amount ;p
[08:06] <Guardiann> hoary you burn at user level
[08:06] <Suva> Zotnix_, yes, because you have bad ears :)
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Since <IP_ADDRESS> they made CD burning only accessible to rot
[08:06] <Agrajag> not a bad thing
[08:06] <Necrosan> Hello?
[08:06] <Br34ch> Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details  <-- ..and how would I get around this? What package exactly would I have to attain? :s
[08:06] <Zotnix_> I do actuall.
[08:06] <Zotnix_> actually*
[08:06] <Necrosan> Anyone got any pointers on how to enable SMP on a power mac?
[08:07] <Suva> chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrecord :P
[08:07] <Zotnix_> s/rot/root
[08:08] <Suva> Zotnix_, it used to require only write access to CD-drive /dev/ entry
[08:08] <Suva> read/write that is
[08:08] <linux-rulz> Necrosan: do u have an SMP kernel installed?
[08:09] <randabis> Br34ch libglib2.0-dev
[08:09] <randabis> err
[08:09] <randabis> just a sec
[08:10] <jesuel> hrm, beer time
[08:10] <randabis> Br34ch, libgtk2.0-dev
[08:10] <Br34ch> I have it, apparently..
[08:10] <Br34ch> OH
[08:10] <Br34ch> Wait, no . . . sorry, heh
[08:10] <randabis> :)
[08:10] <Necrosan> linux-rulz, where do I get one?
[08:11] <Suva> apt-get install :P
[08:12] <jesuel> mmm newcastle
[08:14] <linux-rulz> Necroscan: go into Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic and then do a search for linux, then install the kernel that has SMP
[08:14] <K-Rich> man, pit bulls with seperation anxiety are a pain in the arse!
[08:14] <jesuel> ...
[08:14] <jesuel> uhg
[08:14] <swim> hay is there an nes or snes or any type of good nes emulator in the ubuntu repos?
[08:14] <randabis> running 4 streams now :p
[08:14] <jesuel> K-Rich: that sounds very bad
[08:14] <jesuel> randabis: what streams?
[08:14] <Br34ch> Compiling installer-gui... failed, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details  <-- erm? :x
[08:15] <randabis> swim zsnes for snes, there's this other one for nes that starts with an X
[08:15] <K-Rich> jesuel: he tears stuff up... like shoes, and toilet paper lol
[08:15] <jesuel> ouch
[08:15] <jesuel> im getting a new dog
[08:15] <jesuel> in about a month
[08:15] <jesuel> a beagle
[08:15] <Zotnix_> Attempting user level write right now.
[08:15] <Zotnix_> (to CD_
[08:15] <jesuel> was just born 3 weeks ago
[08:15] <swim> k thx randabis
[08:16] <randabis> jesuel, AfterhoursDJs, RadioAFB.net, RADIOBLAGON, bash.org radio
[08:16] <jesuel> cool :)
[08:16] <jesuel> bash.org radio? what do they play?
[08:16] <randabis> techno stuff
[08:16] <Zotnix_> lame IRC quotes.
[08:17] <jesuel> lol Zotnix_
[08:17] <K-Rich> jesuel: i got mine (Buddy) about 6 months ago
[08:17] <randabis> err that's RadioABF.net not AFB
[08:17] <jesuel> my last dog, a airdale mix died last spring
[08:17] <randabis> :/
[08:17] <jesuel> figured it was time to get a new dog
[08:18] <jesuel> he was older, had to kinda knock him out to trim his nails
[08:18] <randabis> Br34ch, still there? you probably need the build-essential metapackage
[08:18] <jesuel> and he really never came out of the knocking out :(
[08:18] <Br34ch> Uhmm, I'll try getting it
[08:19] <swim> huh I only see vidualboyadvance when searching with synaptics for zsnes
[08:19] <randabis> lol I recorded myself playing the mighty morphin power rangers theme song
[08:19] <Br34ch> Anything else I'd need? Or is this it?
[08:19] <Br34ch> Given I've done a default fresh ubuntu installation
[08:20] <randabis> you'll need some other stuff, but I don't recall what they are..it will tell you the package names
[08:20] <Zotnix_> user write failed to CD-ROM
[08:20] <Zotnix_> erm
[08:20] <Zotnix_> cd-rw drive
[08:20] <K-Rich> jesuel: http://img186.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img186&image=buddy32sk.jpg   my boy :)
[08:20] <Br34ch> randabis: And most I will be able to get through Synaptic?
[08:21] <randabis> you'll be able to get all of them with synaptic
[08:21] <swim> randabis, know of a good site with game files?
[08:21] <Br34ch> Cool, thanks once again
[08:21] <randabis> just make sure you get the ones marked -dev as well
[08:21] <randabis> swim you mean roms? I'd check torrentspy
[08:22] <jesuel> K-Rich: definitely looks happy youre there :)
[08:22] <K-Rich> he's a sweetheart, and gentle as all hell, smart too
[08:23] <jesuel> ive always wanted a beagel
[08:23] <jesuel> err beagle
[08:23] <K-Rich> jesuel: snoopy fan?
[08:23] <K-Rich> :)
[08:23] <jesuel> my neighbor had one for years, and he was such a great dog
[08:23] <jesuel> i really got along with the dog, and he wasnt too big
[08:24] <jesuel> another breed i like is a shiba inu
[08:24] <jesuel> but those are a little more rare
[08:25] <Zotnix_> cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.
[08:25] <Zotnix_> As user
[08:25] <K-Rich> jesuel: a what? never heard of that breed
[08:26] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: why not just use nautilus?
[08:26] <Zotnix_> I did.
[08:26] <K-Rich> errr ok
[08:26] <Zotnix_> Nautilus is a front end to cdrecord
[08:26] <Zotnix_> It came out with an error and those are the details.
[08:26] <jesuel> K-Rich: look it up :)
[08:26] <jesuel> they are interesting animals
[08:26] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: oh oh oh i know... you might need to suid root on /bin/cdrecord if i remember right
[08:27] <Zotnix_> I know. I just remember being able to write to CD-R as a user prior to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:28] <K-Rich> yeah
[08:28] <Zotnix_> Why can't they just add an option to the kernel "Allow user land writing to CD-RW drives"
[08:28] <Br34ch> I'm unable to find dbh1-0 and a2ps.. :o
[08:28] <Br34ch> In the Synaptic..
[08:28] <Suva> Zotnix_, Are you in the cdrom or cdwriter group?
[08:29] <Zotnix_> Ubuntu doesn't have those.
[08:29] <swim> randabis, is there an n 64 emu do you know ? (in the repos)
[08:29] <Suva> Uh?
[08:29] <Suva> Debian does
[08:29] <Zotnix_> Not Ubuntu.
[08:29] <randabis> swim mupen64
[08:29] <Zotnix_> They changed the kernel though.
[08:29] <randabis> not sure if it is in the repos though
[08:30] <Zotnix_> To burn to CD I'd have to go to the 2.6.7 kernel
[08:30] <Zotnix_> Or burn as root only.
[08:30] <swim> randabis, kool ill have a look if not ill just compile
[08:30] <randabis> I can burn a cd in k3b as a user...2.6.10
[08:30] <Suva> I guess there is away around it
[08:30] <Suva> Most likely you just need the rw access to the file
[08:30] <randabis> swim it's precompiled
[08:30] <K-Rich> Zotnix_:  errr Ubuntu does hav a cdrom group
[08:31] <randabis> yeah that's why it works for me, I'm in the cdrom group
[08:31] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: cat /etc/group|grep cdrom
[08:31] <randabis> my hurner is a CDR/RW//DVD reader
[08:31] <randabis> does everything but burn dvds
[08:31] <Suva> Zotnix_, your problem is propably the missing access to the right device
[08:31] <K-Rich> randabis: same here, samsung 52X :P
[08:31] <randabis> same 8mb cache?
[08:32] <K-Rich> yupp
[08:32] <randabis> :)
[08:32] <Suva> Zotnix_, most likely your previous kernel used SCSI emulation
[08:32] <randabis> it's a very good burner
[08:32] <randabis> I can't get it to burn over 30x in linux though for some reason
[08:32] <K-Rich> was on sale at Wal-Mart for like 59.97 (what's with wal-mart and the .97?)
[08:32] <Suva> And new one doesn't and it uses different device
[08:32] <Zotnix_> I can access the cdrom... can't burn to it.
[08:33] <randabis> Rich yeah I saw it at Wal-Mart too, but I got it when it was still in the 70 dollar range :/
[08:33] <randabis> got it from newegg
[08:33] <Br34ch> randabis: What could be the package name for dbh1-0 (Disk based hashtables) and a2ps(Postscript converter)?
[08:33] <K-Rich> randabis: they got a DVD burner now for like $60
[08:33] <Zotnix_>  cat /etc/group |grep cdrom produces: cdrom:x:24:martin,hal
[08:33] <Br34ch> I can't find it in Synaptic..
[08:34] <kakalto> is there a linux winamp?
[08:34] <randabis> Br34ch, a2ps, and libdbh1.0 libdbh1.0-dev
[08:34] <Suva> Zotnix_, see the permissions of the file /dev/cdrom points to
[08:34] <kakalto> or a gui-skin for another linux app to make it look like the new winamp
[08:34] <Suva> kakalto, no, but there is XMMS
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> your love is like a flock o' birds
[08:34] <Zotnix_> brw-rw----   1 root cdrom
[08:34] <randabis> XMMS and Beep Media Player are the closest thing to winamp
[08:34] <Zotnix_> points to hdc
[08:34] <kakalto> Suva, how big is XMMS?
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: not very
[08:35] <Zotnix_> same permissions
[08:35] <randabis> it's tiny and in the repositories
[08:35] <kakalto> not very doesn't tell me much
[08:35] <kakalto> 5mb is huge for a 56k'er
[08:35] <randabis> both beep and XMMS are in the repos
[08:35] <kakalto> it's tiny for a broadband person
[08:35] <randabis> it's much less than 5mb
[08:35] <Suva> kakalto, 5x10cm :)
[08:35] <kakalto> lol
[08:35] <randabis> XMMS only gets large if you get all the plugins for it
[08:36] <kakalto> fair enough
[08:36] <kakalto> same with almost anything
[08:36] <K-Rich> anywho.... midnight:30 here so i'm off.. need some sleep before fellowship in the morn
[08:36] <randabis> XMMS is deprecated though
[08:36] <randabis> Beep is the GTK2 port of it
[08:36] <Suva> It is one of the core elements on most distributions anyways
[08:36] <kakalto> K-Rich, yeah, have your sleep ;)
[08:36] <K-Rich> night all
[08:36] <Suva> Beep is ugly :(
[08:37] <randabis> Suva yeah the default skin is kinda bleh
[08:37] <iMeXdiAC> how do i install a new font (.ttf) as root is disabled and font: in gnome doesnt work
[08:37] <randabis> I just use rhythmbox or totem
[08:37] <randabis> iMeXdiAC, you can add them to your .fonts directory in your home
[08:38] <randabis> you can also add them to /usr/share/fonts, but you must be a sudo user
[08:38] <kakalto> can I download beep for my default ubuntu installation with sudo apt-get install beep?
[08:38] <randabis> you can open a root terminal to do it fairly easily, or run nautilus as a sudo user
[08:38] <Br34ch> randabis: i can't still quite point them out.. :s
[08:38] <randabis> Br34ch I took the package names right from synaptic...
[08:38] <kakalto> after doing the repositories and codecs
[08:39] <randabis> a2ps, and libdbh1.0 libdbh1.0-dev
[08:39] <kakalto> hello?
[08:39] <randabis> libdbh1.0 might be libdbh1.0-1
[08:39] <randabis> kakalto, the beep package is beep-media-player
[08:39] <kakalto> sweet
[08:39] <Br34ch> Actually.. i think I'm pretty sure they're not there . . . could it be that i have to update the list or something?
[08:40] <randabis> possibly, also, do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:40] <Br34ch> I don't know . . .
[08:40] <Br34ch> It's been an hour since the installation of ubuntu
[08:40] <Suva> Does Xorg support windows with alpha?
[08:40] <kakalto> BRB
[08:41] <randabis> click settings --> repositories
[08:41] <Br34ch> Well, more than an hour, but I haven't tweaked anything
[08:41] <Br34ch> Okay
[08:41] <swim> hrrm no win32 codecs in ubuntu repos?
[08:41] <randabis> check the unchecked boxes Br34ch
[08:41] <randabis> then click okay and then click Reload
[08:41] <iMeXdiAC> randbabis well i tried .. sudo nautilus fonts: .. but i couldnt drag it .. but in the terminal gnome complained: Authentication Rejected, with to me cryptic reason
[08:42] <randabis> swim nope, you can get them from marilliat's repository though...it won't break anything
[08:42] <swim> randabis, cool thanks
[08:43] <randabis> iMeXdiAC, probably better to right-click --> copy, navigate to the folder, then right-click --> paste
[08:44] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. same reaction with copy paste
[08:44] <randabis> hmm
[08:45] <iMeXdiAC> gives no output in the terminal though .. the gnome ui warning was  None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:45] <randabis> Wish I could help you there...not sure
[08:46] <iMeXdiAC> think i might have to switch a gconf pref .. or setup root
[08:46] <swim> randabis, happen to know where marilliats repo is? id rather not add it to my source.lst just get the codecs package
[08:46] <jdub> iMeXdiAC: why are you running nautilus with sudo?
[08:47] <randabis> jdub he wants to copy fonts to /usr/share/fonts/
[08:47] <iMeXdiAC> jdub to get a ttf font installed the gnome way
[08:47] <jdub> you can install it for your user just by dragging it to fonts:///
[08:47] <jdub> if you want it available for all users, copy them at the command line with su
[08:47] <iMeXdiAC> jdub the window doesnt accept my drag ..
[08:47] <jdub> never run nautilus as root
[08:48] <randabis> I just add my fonts to /home/randabis/.fonts/ myself
[08:48] <randabis> root can get his own damned fonts :p
[08:49] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. dont i have to run a config to get the fonts recognized by gnome or is copying to .fonts enough (defoma routines)
[08:49] <randabis> copying to .fonts is enough
[08:50] <iMeXdiAC> :) .. ll try .. so it should then show up in fonts:
[08:50] <randabis> just keep in mind only your user will be able to use them
[08:50] <randabis> doesn't matter if you're the only user besides root :p
[08:50] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. well im the only user so no prblm about that ..
[08:50] <randabis> :)
[08:51] <iMeXdiAC> :))
[08:51] <Scooter> is there something like Znes for sega?
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see how xmms is so huge.  it needn't be bigger than a few thousand lines of code.
[08:52] <Scooter> dgen works but cant configure the keys :(
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> comparable players in beos, for instance, were like 700k at most.
[08:52] <randabis> Try Gens
[08:53] <anTiXX> is there a regional setup? cant find it.. or do I edit some file in for setting my keymap?
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to use samba over an ssh tunnel?
[08:54] <knghtbrd> If anyone asks me (and of course, they do not), one should never need to run something as root.
[08:54] <kakalto> how do I copy all the contents of a directory to another location?
[08:54] <kakalto> is it cp -a path path2
[08:54] <randabis> anTiXX, you can change your keymappings in the keyboard tool
[08:54] <randabis> man cp :p
[08:55] <Br34ch> Now installing.. thanks so very much randabis
[08:55] <randabis> np Br34ch hope you like xfce 4.2 as much as I do :)
[08:55] <Br34ch> From what I've seen.. I think I'll like it a lot
[08:55] <randabis> it's great
[08:55] <knghtbrd> privelege seperation and an auth tool are the right solutions for this problem.  iirc, several bits of Gnome do this to varying degrees.
[08:56] <Br34ch> heheh, I hope it is
[08:56] <randabis> I still run gnome on this box, but my laptop uses xfce :)
[08:56] <kakalto> randabis, it doesn't have a special command for just "copy everything inside that folder"
[08:56] <anTiXX> randabis: thanks!! its my second day of ubuntu and I'm really enjoying it :)
[08:56] <kakalto> unless "archive" is that command
[08:56] <randabis> awesome
[08:56] <randabis> kakalto cp -a
[08:56] <spiral> hi
[08:57] <kakalto> but it's only copying the file in the directory, no files under other folders
[08:57] <kakalto> I'm copying with -av, so it's verbose aswell
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used xfce last year and hated it.
[08:57] <kakalto> and it only copies one file
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like gnome or fluxbox.
[08:57] <randabis> BROKEN 4.2 has improved a lot of things in xfce
[08:57] <spiral> on my user account, I've got a problem with xfce :
[08:57] <spiral> it doesn't start any window manager
[08:58] <randabis> kakalto, you could always use nautilus
[08:58] <kakalto> nautilus?
[08:58] <spiral> does anyone here know what I shall do to fix this ?
[08:58] <kakalto> is that the filebrowser?
[08:58] <randabis> yes
[08:58] <kakalto> is it able to display ntfs partitions?
[08:58] <randabis> yes
[08:58] <kakalto> kewl then
[08:58] <randabis> you have to make sure the partition is mounted though :)
[08:59] <spiral> any idea for my xfce pb ?
[08:59] <randabis> hmm
[08:59] <Necrosan> god damn my modem works slow in ubuntu
[08:59] <Necrosan> uggh
[08:59] <Necrosan> someone ping me
[09:00] <kakalto> thanks heaps, randabis :D
[09:00] <randabis> np
[09:00] <kakalto> I had problems before with looking at ntfs partitions, so I tried the terminal
[09:00] <randabis> ah
[09:00] <spiral> kakalto: charset problems maybe ?
[09:01] <randabis> I don't have any windows partitions :/
[09:01] <randabis> Necrosan that's a BAD ping :/
[09:01] <randabis> 64.87 seconds
[09:01] <s0cks> 2 questions
[09:01] <randabis> k
[09:01] <s0cks> How can I get ubuntu to recognise a PCI card
[09:01] <spiral> Necrosan: 78 secs for me... really bad
[09:01] <anTiXX> randabis: can I set naitilus to not open new windows?
[09:02] <spiral> Necrosan: I supposed you blocked it :-p
[09:02] <randabis> anTiXX yes, edit your preferences
[09:02] <aperson> hello all
[09:02] <anTiXX> randabis: ok great I'll give it another try :)
[09:02] <randabis> also, there's a handy app called gtweakui that controls nautilus and other apps
[09:02] <spiral> please... any idea for my xfce or any new about smartbatteries ?
[09:02] <s0cks> [3 aperson
[09:03] <anTiXX> hi aperson
[09:03] <randabis> s0cks, I suppose it would depend on the device...is it even listed in your device manager?
[09:03] <Rene_S> Hmm what are Hoary Backports ?
[09:03] <s0cks> randabis : ASk aperson
[09:03] <Rene_S> I understand the Warty ones, just don't get how Hoary has backports
[09:03] <aperson> anybody care to help me get a internet connection on the live cd?
[09:04] <aperson> my modem is detected
[09:04] <aperson> but
[09:04] <randabis> Hoary will have backports starting when Bendy starts development
[09:04] <aperson> I can't use it
[09:04] <kakalto> I've gone through the ubuntu-guide.org how to install codecs, but I still can't seem to play mp3s... what's up?
[09:04] <s0cks> aperson : I suggest kicking your computer
[09:04] <aperson> no
[09:05] <randabis> do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed kakalto?
[09:05] <Necrosan> god damn
[09:05] <Necrosan> ubuntu ppc + internal modem = faultily slow speeds.
[09:05] <s0cks> aperson : It should cause it to mount, and be cool.
[09:05] <randabis> :/
[09:05] <aperson> doesn't matter to me about speed
[09:05] <aperson> I just want a connection
[09:05] <kakalto> randabis, I think so... how could I find out
[09:05] <kakalto> ?
[09:05] <randabis> aperson sorry, I haven't used a 56k type modem in years
[09:05] <randabis> kakalto, you could check in synaptic
[09:06] <randabis> it has a search tool
[09:06] <s0cks> APERSON : KICK IN IN THE BAG!
[09:06] <s0cks> Aperson : It will work.
[09:06] <kakalto> randabis, it's ther
[09:06] <kakalto> *there
[09:06] <randabis> what won't play mp3s?
[09:07] <randabis> you may have to change the program's output plugin
[09:07] <kakalto> randabis, no app I have will play my mp3s
[09:07] <Agrajag> apt-get install mpg321
[09:07] <Agrajag> if that won't play them you have sound driver issues
[09:08] <randabis> you should try changing the audio output plugins for those programs
[09:08] <kakalto> change it to ALSA, not OSS?
[09:08] <neighborlee> my friend installed ubuntu and she's having trouble with 'slow ' internet access...real slow...she has a onboard intel chip and says her internet was also slllow as dog in mdk too...i've checked forums on this and get zero results for intel nic card search....any idea how to speed things up for her ? ;-)))
[09:08] <randabis> yes change it to ALSA, or even better ESD...
[09:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: oss is a dinosaur.
[09:08] <kakalto> Agrajag; it says inside bmp, mpg321 as the mpeg thing
[09:08] <randabis> assuming your card uses alsa
[09:08] <Agrajag> kakalto: I mean the actual command-line program
[09:08] <kakalto> oh
[09:09] <kakalto> bmp won't even see my mp3s
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, The slowness is really relative
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, What does she mean by slow?
[09:09] <randabis> kakalto, you have to add them yourself I believe
[09:09] <crimsun> kakalto: echo "default_driver=esd" > ~/.libao
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, I doubt it's got anything to do with NIC
[09:09] <randabis> in the add files thingy
[09:09] <kakalto> what does "add them myself" require?
[09:09] <crimsun> kakalto: then try `mpg321 foo.mp3'
[09:09] <neighborlee> Suva, well..it took five minutes for cnn.com to come up
[09:10] <Suva> FIVE MINUTES? :O
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, correct
[09:10] <e-Jah> yop
[09:10] <randabis> perhaps the modem drivers suck
[09:10] <Suva> Did you try ping?
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, cna't now she's in winblows
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, ill ask her to when she returns
[09:11] <kakalto> okay, I don't seem to have mpg321... but it said something about it under bmp...
[09:11] <neighborlee> Suva, she'll return in five minutes in windows and return and verify ping speeds
[09:11] <Suva> neighborlee, what sort of net connection she is using?
[09:11] <randabis> kakalto, can you change the output plugin to something else?
[09:11] <Suva> neighborlee, what sort of hardware
[09:11] <randabis> if so, change it to gstreamer if possible
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, Uh... What is her phone number? ;)
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, dsl earthlink
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva,<PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:12] <swim> randabis, could you tell me where the repo with the win32 codecs are? id like to get the package manually
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, :P
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, if you call that your reall dumb LOL
[09:12] <kakalto> randabis, but it doesn't matter, 'cause it can't see the mp3s
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, I don't even know where my phone is :)
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, heh
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, but what sort of hardware?
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, any router?
[09:13] <randabis> swim I dunno...why not just add the source to your sources.list, get the codec, then remove it from your sources?
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, Or PPPoE device?
[09:13] <kakalto> BRB
[09:13] <swim> randabis, whats the source name so I can do that?
[09:14] <randabis> check on ubuntuguide...I really don't know the url offhand
[09:14] <neighborlee> Suva,..her connection is okahy in windows on same hardware of course...but wait she's heading back to ubunt in a moment
[09:15] <Suva> It's very hard to say
[09:15] <Suva> I think I could fix it when I were there
[09:15] <neighborlee> understood..
[09:15] <neighborlee> we can at least try
[09:15] <randabis> maybe she's using IPV6?
[09:16] <Suva> Just let her try ping first
[09:16] <neighborlee> yes
[09:16] <Suva> Then traceroute
[09:16] <neighborlee> ok
[09:16] <randabis> IPV6 will slow things down...
[09:16] <Suva> If ping is ok then there is no need for traceroute
[09:16] <neighborlee> its a default ubuntu install guys
[09:16] <randabis> shouldn't take 5 minutes for a page to load though :/
[09:16] <Suva> It might be the problem of DNS though
[09:16] <randabis> yeah
[09:17] <randabis> which could be caused by IP6
[09:17] <randabis> or a crappy dns server :/
[09:17] <neighborlee> I saw another post in ubuntu forums saying this chap can't even get a connection...and he's using same onboard NIC as my friend is..ie: intel Pro/100 VE
[09:17] <jesuel> plenty of those out there
[09:18] <neighborlee> but she has connection its just dog slow LOL
[09:18] <jesuel> mmm 300 baud ;p
[09:18] <randabis> lol
[09:18] <neighborlee> LOL
[09:18] <Suva> neighborlee, It should work though
[09:19] <neighborlee> Suva, she have a ping soon then we know more
[09:19] <kakalto> okay, the mpg321 <mp3 path> works, but my beep doesn't; any ideas why?
[09:19] <Suva> kakalto, wrong output driver
[09:19] <kakalto> never mind
[09:19] <kakalto> I know why it can't find it
[09:19] <randabis> :)
[09:19] <kakalto> silly ubuntu
[09:19] <jesuel> silly ubuntu, or silly user? ;p
[09:19] <kakalto> I accidently changed the permissions to root-only :(
[09:20] <jesuel> ahh, silly user
[09:20] <kakalto> :P
[09:20] <kakalto> although I have no idea how I did it
[09:20] <jesuel> magic
[09:21] <randabis> silly user, root is for h4x0rs
[09:21] <jesuel> what i found weird, was when i installed ubuntu, i didnt get a option to set the root password
[09:21] <jesuel> that annoyed me
[09:21] <gabaug> what happened to the wireless connection-quality applet?
[09:21] <neighborlee> yeah you dont ;-))
[09:21] <gabaug> (in Hoary)
[09:21] <jesuel> yeah, i know
[09:21] <jesuel> quite annoying, how are you supposed to login as root if you need to
[09:21] <jesuel> *rude*
[09:21] <netbyte> what makes ubuntu different than debian ?
[09:21] <Agrajag> sudo -s
[09:22] <Agrajag> why would you ever need to log in as root?
[09:22] <pw> jesuel: "sudo su"
[09:22] <pw> Agrajag: To avoid typing "sudo" before everything you do :)
[09:22] <jesuel> i had to login as root to fix permissions, i have a 120gb drive mounted for my /home directory
[09:23] <Agrajag> jesuel: then there's single-user mode
[09:23] <kakalto> how do I chmod a folder & all its subfolders and files as the same, under nautilus?
[09:23] <jesuel> ah
[09:23] <Agrajag> Or you could just set a root password if you absolutely feel it's necessary
[09:23] <jesuel> i just booted with the cd and chrooted, and got in
[09:23] <jesuel> and set a password
[09:23] <Agrajag> personally I advise everyone against it, but some people just won't learn new tricks
[09:23] <randabis> netbyte, well, it has much newer packages for one
[09:23] <Agrajag> huh?
[09:23] <Suva> jesuel, init=/bin/sh :P
[09:23] <Agrajag> oh right
[09:24] <jesuel> so by default, you can use sudo without a password?
[09:24] <randabis> man chmod
[09:24] <Agrajag> of course not
[09:24] <Agrajag> you have to give your user password
[09:24] <jesuel> oh really?
[09:24] <netbyte> that's all? newer packages?
[09:24] <jesuel> thats it?
[09:24] <Agrajag> yes
[09:24] <jesuel> silly
[09:24] <Agrajag> silly?
[09:24] <jesuel> just weird
[09:24] <Agrajag> how so?
[09:25] <randabis> netbyte nah theres some other things
[09:25] <Agrajag> That's how sudo works
[09:25] <jesuel> doesnt seem secure
[09:25] <jesuel> to me
[09:25] <randabis> I suggest checking http://www.ubuntulinux.org if you're really interested in ubuntu
[09:25] <kakalto> how do I set the ownership of a directory's *.*?
[09:25] <Agrajag> jesuel: how is it not secure?
[09:26] <Agrajag> kakalto: you want to set permissions only on files which have a dot in them?
[09:26] <netbyte> yup, i'm visit the website already
[09:26] <netbyte> i visit* :D
[09:26] <jesuel> Agrajag: i see, looking in /etc/sudoers
[09:26] <Zotnix_> Well, dived in deeper into my not being able to burn CDs as user.
[09:26] <jesuel> that makes sens
[09:26] <jesuel> err sense
[09:26] <Agrajag> jesuel: yeah
[09:26] <jesuel> it is secure
[09:26] <kakalto> arg, under most OS's, *.* means ALL files & folders
[09:26] <Zotnix_> I chmod 666 /dev/hdc (I know, bad, desperate).
[09:26] <kakalto> *.*, as in anything.anything
[09:26] <jesuel> so by default, root is completely unable to login
[09:26] <kakalto> not .*
[09:26] <Agrajag> that way, if some program allows an attacker to spawn a shell as a user, they still can't use sudo without that password
[09:26] <jesuel> interesting
[09:26] <Agrajag> right
[09:26] <Zotnix_> still no go. Apparently cdrecord can't detect drive modes. Only root can.
[09:27] <Agrajag> kakalto: right... that's any file with a dot in it
[09:27] <Agrajag> not every file has a dot
[09:27] <Agrajag> * is every file
[09:27] <kakalto> ah
[09:27] <Agrajag> *.* is every file with a dot in it
[09:27] <kakalto> okay
[09:27] <jesuel> hrm, perhaps ill go back to the old way
[09:28] <kakalto> so how do I change a folder's * permissions so my normal user can use it?
[09:28] <jesuel> now that i know better
[09:28] <jesuel> :)
[09:28] <Agrajag> anyway you can do "chown -R <owner> ." to recursively set the owner for every file under the current directory
[09:28] <kakalto> ah, thanks
[09:28] <kakalto> and chgroup -R <group> for group?
[09:28] <Agrajag> chgrp
[09:28] <kakalto> or not
[09:28] <kakalto> ah
[09:28] <jesuel> err
[09:28] <jesuel> chown -R owner.owner
[09:28] <jesuel> for group
[09:29] <Agrajag> owner.group you mean?
[09:29] <jesuel> err yeah
[09:29] <crimsun> (owner:group to be pedantic)
[09:30] <jesuel> taking 3 years away from myself and linux was bad
[09:30] <jesuel> i feel like i dont know anything anymore /sigh
[09:30] <randabis> hehe
[09:30] <jesuel> i do know some things, but alot has slipped away
[09:31] <jesuel> hrm, must have more beer
[09:34] <iMeXdiAC> randabis jdub .. it seems drag to fonts: places it in ~/.fonts .. but it doesnt show up afterwards in the virtual directory (im looking for the name shown by gnome-font-view ).. though its visible in the choose dialog of the Gnome System Font utility but not visible in xchat (uses a chooser with the contents of the fonts: dir) (placing it manually in /usr/share/fonts had the same effect) ..
[09:35] <randabis> you might have to restart xchat...not sure
[09:35] <jesuel> uhg xchat, seeems so clunky to me
[09:36] <jesuel> gimme text based chat client tyvm
[09:36] <crimsun> irssi-text is where it's at :p
[09:36] <jesuel> yeah
[09:36] <jesuel> thats what im using
[09:36] <jesuel> i like it
[09:36] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. my xchat is dl atm :) ..
[09:36] <crimsun> screen irssi-text, to be precise
[09:37] <kakalto>  YAY
[09:37] <kakalto> okay, next thing...
[09:37] <jesuel> i keep that and my email client screened
[09:37] <kakalto> is it possible to have my whole media library under rhythmbox based on an ntfs partition?
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: yes
[09:38] <randabis> should be able to
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: but you can't write to it
[09:38] <kakalto> I just have to chmod it right?
[09:38] <kakalto> yeah
[09:38] <kakalto> I don't need to
[09:38] <kakalto> I just have ALL of my media on my ntfs drive
[09:38] <kakalto> and I only have about 5gb on my linux partition
[09:38] <randabis> I was in that boat once :/
[09:39] <jesuel> as was i, ive fixed that now
[09:39] <kakalto> sadly, I wasn't expecting to do all of my media watching under linux
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> most of my media is currently on removable drives on fat32
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[09:39] <kakalto> so I made my win partition about 139gb
[09:39] <randabis> I'm reiserFS on both drives
[09:40] <kakalto> I was told not to use reiserFS, unstable or somethign
[09:40] <jesuel> 4 120 gig drives, almost full of mp3's /grin
[09:40] <randabis> they might have meant reiser4
[09:40] <kakalto> mp3s?!!
[09:40] <jesuel> yeah
[09:40] <jatos> Hi All
[09:40] <kakalto> not avi's, mp4s, other vid files?!
[09:40] <jesuel> no
[09:40] <randabis> space adds up quick when you're ripping music from streaming radio stations :p
[09:40] <jesuel> those are on 2 200's
[09:40] <kakalto> over 400,000 mins of music!?!
[09:41] <jesuel> id guess somewhere around that
[09:41] <jesuel> most of them are encoded @ 160
[09:41] <randabis> The streams I'm ripping are 192 or better :)
[09:41] <jesuel> i only have one thats higher than 160
[09:41] <kakalto> I don't do internet radio, I have a 2gb cap :(
[09:41] <jesuel> its @ 320
[09:42] <jesuel> hah
[09:42] <jesuel> i have 0 cap
[09:42] <jesuel> muah!
[09:42] <kakalto> man it sucks
[09:42] <randabis> no cap here either :p
[09:42] <kakalto> but I'm not the one paying, so I can't complain, plus I'd rather be on 256k than 56k
[09:42] <randabis> I think I've ripped over a gig in the last couple of hours
[09:42] <jesuel> 6mbit download/ 768 upload. I use what i need / want
[09:43] <kakalto> I'm in a smaller country, where it's probably not even possible to get those speeds yet :(
[09:43] <randabis> Highest I've seen mine do is 3mbit down :/ roadrunner
[09:43] <jesuel> it is kakalto
[09:43] <jesuel> paradise.net.nz
[09:43] <kakalto> how much!?
[09:43] <jesuel> when i was in christchurch on vacation i used their service
[09:43] <jesuel> i dunno
[09:43] <kakalto> wow
[09:43] <jesuel> my friend's connection
[09:44] <jesuel> except she wont move to the states :(
[09:44] <kakalto> although it's probably not available in my area
[09:44] <jesuel> i wish she would
[09:44] <jesuel> ahh my little kiwi :)
[09:44] <jesuel> sigh, the internet is ebil ;p
[09:46] <jesuel> uhg, almost out of beer
[09:47] <home66> good morning everybody from the south of france
[09:48] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64
[09:48] <home66> i installed ubuntu yesterday on one of my boxes & was wondering how can i attribute myself a root password,i know that i can go directly to the root terminal but i would like something more secure with a password,which means  su -
[09:49] <home66> or did i miss something during the instllation
[09:49] <jesuel> ubuntu, is actually designed to let u use sudo for your root activities
[09:49] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64 ???????
[09:50] <jesuel> you can boot single mode and set a password for root though
[09:50] <home66> well when i boot ,i go in as a user
[09:51] <jesuel> right, when i say boot single mode, i mean as in single user mode
[09:51] <home66> & i wanted a root su - password
[09:51] <home66> through a bash shell for exmp
[09:53] <jesuel> home66: read http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd
[09:53] <home66> ok,i am new to linux thanks
[09:53] <jesuel> not a problem
[09:54] <randabis> here's a good question..
[09:54] <broodster> hmm
[09:54] <broodster> do u guys hear me?
[09:54] <randabis> how can I chmod all files and directories within one directory? including the directories and files within those directories?
[09:54] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64 ???????
[09:54] <poningru> broodster: which ati?
[09:55] <broodster> radeon
[09:55] <broodster> 9550
[09:55] <jesuel> randabis: chmod -R?
[09:55] <randabis> there's an idea... :p
[09:55] <broodster> but for some reason it says i have 9600 o_O
[09:55] <randabis> I'm rtfm right now anyway
[09:56] <jesuel> rtfm is safer :)
[09:56] <broodster> says that on windows too
[09:56] <broodster> lol
[09:56] <jesuel> than listening to me
[09:56] <jesuel> im buzzing pretty good now
[09:57] <randabis> -R should do the trick :)
[09:57] <swim> hay randabis sorry did you respond when I asked what the name of the repo was so that I could add it to my source.lst and get win32 codecs?
[09:58] <randabis> yeah I said check ubuntuguide because I don't know the url
[09:58] <swim> ah thats right ok
[09:58] <berkes> folks; I;m running ubuntu on my toshiba satellite; and am experiencing probs with my graphics.
[09:58] <randabis> man it's great having a terminal that will do tabs :)
[09:58] <broodster> poningru...?
[09:59] <swim> randabis, yah what are you using?
[09:59] <poningru> heh still looking for that link
[09:59] <randabis> I'm using Terminal
[09:59] <berkes> ive got the feeling its an X-problem.
[09:59] <swim> randabis, xfce4?
[09:59] <poningru> I think it said something like these are the ones that will work or something
[09:59] <randabis> yeah, I'm running it within gnome though
[09:59] <poningru> and it listed a bunch of ati cards
[09:59] <berkes> tried both fedora core2 and mandrake/ they gave me no trouble.
[09:59] <poningru> so let me find that link
[10:00] <randabis> and xfce 4.2 actually :p
[10:00] <swim> randabis, gnomes default terminal does tabs too but it doesnt have a convinent new tab button
[10:00] <broodster> okay, i needthe one for 9600 i believe
[10:00] <randabis> yeah
[10:00] <berkes> I;ve searched with google and on the ubuntu site, but found no hints
[10:00] <randabis> I knew that, but I like Terminal better anyway
[10:00] <swim> how come?
[10:00] <randabis> it does transparency and other things easier
[10:00] <swim> ah
[10:01] <jesuel> heh
[10:01] <jesuel> so you can make it pretty
[10:01] <berkes> anyone who has seen this before:
[10:01] <berkes> on the bottom of my screen about 1CM is normal; then 2CM is scambled, then the rest is normal
[10:03] <broodster> http://ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux64.html?type=64linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products64LINUXdriver&submit.x=12&submit.y=12&submit=GO%21
[10:04] <poningru> broodster: cant find the link anywhere
[10:04] <broodster> http://ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux64.html?type=64linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products64LINUXdriver&submit.x=12&submit.y=12&submit=GO%21
[10:04] <broodster> here
[10:04] <poningru> oh
[10:04] <broodster> it's an rpm
[10:04] <poningru> heh use alien
[10:04] <broodster> so i need to use alien right?
[10:04] <broodster> yah
[10:04] <broodster> how do i use alien
[10:05] <poningru> man alien
[10:05] <broodster> ?
[10:06] <randabis> uh...both warty and hoary have the fglrx drivers broodster, for what reason are you getting them from ati?
[10:06] <poningru> alien --to-deb package.rpm
[10:06] <broodster> because i dont know where to get them
[10:06] <broodster> tried to look for them on the repostries... no luck
[10:06] <randabis> you can get them within synaptic
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> don't use those
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> randabis is right
[10:07] <aCilnv> hi all , might sound stupid .. but flame me anyways : just upgraded to hoary - and the gdm didn't want to come up.. i changed the nvidia driver in xf86config to nv .. and it works fine. Here's my 2 questions : 1.) Does the xf86config fix mean i'm still running xfree86 ?? how do i see if xorg is running ?? nothing in ps -aux. 2) How do i get the nvidia driver working again ?? Must is remove and reinstall nvidia packages ?
[10:07] <broodster> could someone give me a new source.lst
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> go to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:07] <broodster> i think mine is simply outdated
[10:08] <randabis> if it is the default sources.list is isn't outdated...you might have to uncomment some lines, but that's it
[10:08] <kakalto> which chmod number is for the owner? the first?
[10:08] <broodster> yah
[10:08] <broodster> but i mean
[10:08] <kakalto> and does 6 make it non-write, but read & executre?
[10:08] <randabis> read man chmod :p
[10:08] <broodster> whever i update
[10:08] <broodster> it gives me like 20 different things
[10:08] <broodster> which failed
[10:08] <randabis> yes
[10:08] <randabis> eww
[10:08] <aCilnv> HrdwrBob .. if u're talking to me .. i got the binary nvidia to work on warty .. it's after the haory dist upgrade that i'm stuffed
[10:08] <kakalto> I read chmod; I tend to easily miss the informaion I need
[10:09] <broodster> so can someone just send me their source.lst and save me
[10:09] <randabis> rinse and repeat? :p
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> aCilnv: I was talkint to broodster, what is the problem
[10:09] <randabis> broodster what ubuntu are you running? warty or hoary?
[10:09] <swim> crap marillat isnt working for me... wont update
[10:09] <randabis> I can't give you mine if you use warty...I run hoary
[10:10] <swim> so do I
[10:10] <swim> oh nm
[10:10] <aCilnv> ahh .. sorry hwdwrBob .. ;)
[10:10] <broodster> thanks acilv
[10:10] <broodster> aCilnv **
[10:10] <randabis> aCilnv, maybe your dist-upgrade didn't finish all the way
[10:10] <randabis> you DID answer YES to all the questions right?
[10:11] <berkes> my driver is a trident: i suppose its not an ATI chipset?
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> berkes: no, it's not
[10:11] <randabis> yeah trident is not ati
[10:11] <aCilnv> it went fine .. only prob was in OOo .. but that's a ignore ..
[10:11] <randabis> I think the trident driver is "trident"
[10:11] <randabis> aCilnv do another dist-upgrade to make sure
[10:11] <aCilnv> oki .. will do ..
[10:11] <berkes> yes: randabis: i have that set.
[10:11] <aCilnv> see ya all on the other side of a dist upgrade
[10:12] <randabis> shouldn't take long
[10:12] <broodster> randabis how do i check?
[10:12] <broodster> what dist im using?
[10:13] <home66> quite impressed with the ubuntu distro,i've been using fc since it came out & now i installed ubuntu on another box & think that is really fast,could say also faster than suse which i tried
[10:13] <randabis> check /etc/lsb_release
[10:13] <randabis> that was for you broodster
[10:13] <aCilnv> eeek .. just did a dist-upgrade .. installed 2 packages .. NO xorg related.
[10:13] <randabis> hmm
[10:13] <broodster> i dont have a lsb_release =[
[10:14] <aCilnv> i remember that i had to choose which X i wanted to use .. and i picked xorg ..
[10:14] <randabis> aCilnv, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:14] <randabis> broodster, you are probably using warty then
[10:15] <aCilnv> yes .. but in xorg - the driver is set to nvidia .. and in xf86config-4 . i changed it to nv .. to get x up after dist-upgrade
[10:15] <broodster> oh nm
[10:15] <broodster> im using warty
[10:15] <broodster> what should i be using?
[10:15] <randabis> broodster, go to www.ubuntuguide.org and copy the sources.list from there
[10:16] <randabis> aCilnv have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:16] <broodster> ok
[10:16] <aCilnv> oki .. will do that .. tx randabis
[10:17] <broodster> how come none of the nerim.net ones work?
[10:18] <crimsun> broodster: how don't they work?
[10:18] <crimsun> broodster: what are you trying to install?
[10:18] <randabis> he wants the ati drivers
[10:19] <randabis> and he said his apt-get update kept failing repeatedly, so I suggested trying the sources.list on ubuntuguide
[10:19] <broodster> they just give me an error all the time
[10:20] <broodster> when i load up the synaptic gui
[10:20] <aCilnv> eeek .. just had to install package xserver-xorg manually .. it removed xserver-xfree86 . Anything else i need to install 4 xorg .. before i go to the extreme suicidal move of rebooting X ? :)
[10:20] <crimsun> aCilnv: make sure you have 'xorg-common' installed
[10:21] <kakalto> is it easy to get chatzilla for firefox?
[10:21] <kakalto> do I just sudo apt-get install firefox-chatzilla or something
[10:21] <aCilnv> funny enough i had xorg-common installed .. but not xserver-xorg .. ??? Very strange !
[10:21] <broodster> i still cant find the ati drivers...
[10:22] <aCilnv> see ya all on the otherside of a hopefully xorg reboot !
[10:22] <crimsun> kakalto: enable universe and install 'mozilla-chatzilla' if you want chatzilla
[10:22] <broodster> for amd64
[10:22] <kakalto> enable universe?
[10:22] <DragoraN> hi
[10:22] <kakalto> you mean repository?
[10:23] <DragoraN> i wanted to see how order of CD is working and it ordered cd... iam now confused.. i will pay it? how much?
[10:23] <crimsun> kakalto: yes. Note that chatzilla's not part of mozilla-firefox but a component of mozilla
[10:23] <broodster> yah
[10:23] <crimsun> DragoraN: they're free.
[10:23] <kakalto> crimsun; how do I get it to work under firefox?
[10:23] <DragoraN> crimsun: oh.. thx :)
[10:23] <crimsun> kakalto: search if there's a chatzilla extension to mozilla-firefox
[10:23] <DragoraN> whats the base distribution os ubuntu?
[10:23] <DragoraN> os=of..
[10:23] <crimsun> DragoraN: debian sarge/sid
[10:24] <broodster> im going nuts
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: ho it has apt tools?
[10:24] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for ubuntu
[10:24] <crimsun> DragoraN: enhanced, yes
[10:24] <crimsun> broodster: are you running warty?
[10:24] <broodster> can someone just tell me if i can or not
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: cool :) thx..
[10:24] <broodster> yes
[10:24] <broodster> crimsun
[10:24] <crimsun> broodster: you can if you're running either warty or hoary, but it's much easier if you run hoary
[10:24] <Get> Hi! I looks like my firefox doesn't support the verdana font, how to fix that?
[10:24] <broodster> is hoary newer?
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: is there something like package list on website? or repository?
[10:25] <crimsun> broodster: hoary is still in development and will be released as the stable release in march/april
[10:25] <crimsun> DragoraN: archive.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <broodster> okay
[10:25] <DragoraN> thx
[10:25] <broodster> well how do i install it for warty?
[10:26] <crimsun> broodster: if you're certain you want to, follow the breakmyubuntu instructions on the wiki
[10:26] <DragoraN> crimsun: many directories there :)
[10:26] <broodster> does it have the amd64 instuctions?
[10:26] <crimsun> broodster: amd64 is just as applicable; the instructions do not depend on a specific architecture
[10:27] <DragoraN> what is hoary?
[10:27] <broodster> can i have a link?
[10:27] <aCilnv> hi again .. did the reboot .. the problem now is x.org's complaining that the NVIDIA module in the kernel is version 1.0.611 .. and the x module is version <IP_ADDRESS> - any idea how to fix this ?
[10:27] <crimsun> broodster: search the wiki :)
[10:27] <DragoraN> ahaa... warty is stable, hoary is next planning release?
[10:28] <crimsun> aCilnv: did you upgrade linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), too?
[10:28] <Get> DragoraN: correct
[10:28] <DragoraN> Get: :)
[10:28] <DragoraN> Get: so, download hoary?
[10:29] <Get> DragoraN: no, I use warty
[10:29] <crimsun> DragoraN: if you would like to help test and can stomach breakage, then try hoary.
[10:29] <crimsun> DragoraN: otherwise, try warty.
[10:29] <DragoraN> :) ok..
[10:30] <broodster> cant find anything
[10:30] <broodster> that related to ati on the wiki...
[10:30] <shibby12122005> hey
[10:31] <randabis> wiki has a search tool
[10:34] <DragoraN> crimsun: but... list of packages.. archive.ubuntu.org is not what i wanted..
[10:34] <crimsun> DragoraN: try looking on the wiki.
[10:34] <DragoraN> ok
[10:35] <Get> When horay is released, do I need to reinstall then?
[10:35] <berkes> I followed a part of the discussion earlier about installing x.org: but my synaptic does not list the packages;
[10:35] <berkes> any idea what repos. I need?
[10:35] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[10:35] <broodster> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:35] <broodster> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:35] <broodster> E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
[10:35] <broodster> sigh this is depressing
[10:38] <bob2> read thw howto, dude
[10:38] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:38] <broodster> yah
[10:38] <broodster> i read that
[10:38] <broodster> and thats what i got.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i go about installing a module from source?
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't even know whether i need the kernel source.
[10:40] <bob2> broodster: read it again...
[10:40] <bob2> or maybe you're using hoary and it hasn't been updated
[10:40] <broodster> it doesnt even include the amd64 instructions
[10:40] <HappyFool> BROKEN_LADDER: i needed linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 to build a module for my system
[10:40] <broodster> no
[10:40] <broodster> im using warty
[10:41] <njs12345> is it me or is gnome.org?
[10:41] <njs12345> *gnome.org down
[10:41] <broodster> its down
[10:41] <DragoraN> in ubuntu is just gnome?
[10:42] <broodster> no
[10:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> does nautilus implement a virtual file system when it mounts things over the network?
[10:42] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: there is gnome-vfs
[10:42] <broodster> ok
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i use that to mount an ssh connection?
[10:43] <broodster> maybe i'll use linux in 5 years time
[10:43] <broodster> and maybe i wont have to spend<PHONE_NUMBER>275437534 hours installing a god damn driver
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> but you'll be using an os that sucks.
[10:43] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: I just tried the location "ssh://" and I got this warning:
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> methinks that the mac mini is the nail in the coffin for windows at home.
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's sftp
[10:44] <njs12345> oh
[10:44] <njs12345> sftp I'm fairly sure it supports :-]
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can see an sftp location in gnome just fine; but if i try to open anything in it, the app won't be able to handle it.
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i'm asking whether it sets up a virtual file system, so that i can make apps access and write to those files as if they were local.
[10:45] <njs12345> oh
[10:45] <njs12345> no, I don't think it doesn't
[10:45] <njs12345> if more apps used gnome-vfs then it would, but sadly a lot of them don't atm
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus, ubuntu didn't even install the right kernel on my system.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 385 and should be 686
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> 386 rather
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does ubuntu use for /etc/skel?
[10:47] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ubuntu installs the lowest common denominator.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> like when users are created they have a default desktop background image and such..
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it has a 686 kernel that it will never install?
[10:48] <kakalto> in the default ubuntu installation, it includes a special version of firefox, not your average firefox, doesn't it?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> special?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's old.  i dunno whether that means "special".
[10:48] <kakalto> 'cause I'm having problems installing plugins, and I can't update from 0.9.3 to 1.0
[10:48] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the target user doesn't care what kernel (s)he has.
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can't update?  why not?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> target?
[10:48] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: easy enough to fix
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf is that nonsense
[10:49] <njs12345> apt-get install linux-686
[10:49] <kakalto> plus, if you go into "Help" to "About", it says something about ubuntu
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> the target user probably wants a program that takes advantage of proc optimaziations.
[10:49] <njs12345> would your grandmother give a damn about 386 or 686 kernels?
[10:49] <DragoraN> that kernel is in warthy release?
[10:49] <DragoraN> that=what
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> we all want fast
[10:49] <njs12345> oh please
[10:49] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, under firefox, it says "there's no new updates"
[10:49] <DragoraN> what kernel is in warthy release?
[10:49] <njs12345> this isn't gentoo
[10:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if the user cares enough to install another kernel, (s)he will do so
[10:49] <kakalto> and foxytunes won't install
[10:49] <crimsun> DragoraN: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:49] <njs12345> 686 to 386 probably gives a 2% performance increase
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: search debian packages and use the "unstable" version.
[10:49] <crimsun> DragoraN: heavily patched.
[10:49] <DragoraN> ok
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: that defeats the whole point of user friendliness.
[10:50] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, I have much idea how.
[10:50] <njs12345> that's the point
[10:50] <kakalto> synaptic?
[10:50] <kakalto> then look for firefox?
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: much idea?
[10:50] <njs12345> no-one cares whether they have a 386 or 686 kernel
[10:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the point of user friendlines not to have to fiddle with system programs.
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: everyone cares.
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: ask any user whether he would take a faster program over a slower one.
[10:50] <kakalto> synaptic, look for mozilla-firefox, and see if there's updates?
[10:50] <njs12345> it's about 2% performance increase
[10:50] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER: ^?
[10:51] <njs12345> and kernels are LARGE
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: in your search bar in your current firefox, there should be a "debian" search tool.
[10:51] <njs12345> like 20mb
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it will search debian packages.
[10:51] <crimsun> kakalto: do NOT install mozilla-firefox from sid.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> just use it if you like and search for firefox.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is sid?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> like the bassist for sex pistols?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: a 2% performance increase is a lot.
[10:51] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, so search for foxytunes or firefox unstable?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto:  just search for firefox.
[10:52] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/unstable/
[10:52] <njs12345> not for people whose main activity on their PC is mail or IM or internet
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=firefox&sourceid=mozilla-search
[10:52] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you are not the typical desktop user.
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: any desktop user would take a speed increase.
[10:53] <cavediver> Hi ! Is there a way to install firefox and thunderbird 1.0 in Warty AMD64 ?
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: the point of an intelligent installer would be to install the best kernel right?
[10:53] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: any user who cares enough to want a _kernel_ will install it herself/himself
[10:53] <njs12345> cavediver: there's a backports problem
[10:53] <njs12345> *project
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> why are so many people who run such a great linux distro so willfully stubborn about these things?
[10:53] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, you're the one who is stubborn
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: that's a sorry excuse for not having the installer install the best kernel.
[10:53] <kakalto> what on earth is the difference between "unstable", "development", and "experimental"?
[10:53] <njs12345> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm stubborn about logic.
[10:53] <cavediver> njs12345: yes, i've tried that server but it can't download any packages. I guess it's was because i'm running AMD64 version
[10:53] <kakalto> I thought they were synonyms!
[10:54] <njs12345> a kernel takes 20mb on the CD
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: it means stuff the ubuntu maintainers don't trust yet cause it's too new for them.
[10:54] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you absolutely _refuse_ to see that you do not fall into the typical desktop user [note: not power user]
[10:54] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, which one?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i never said i'm typical.
[10:54] <kakalto> or all three?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: it will say a version number.  use like 1.x
[10:54] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: then why assume what _you_ want is what the typical user will want?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> the point is, even for an atypical user, there's no reason to give him a non-optimal kernel.  for the love of god.
[10:54] <kakalto> I'll assume I have everything the unstable version depends on?
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ANY user would take a speed increase, all other things being equal.
[10:55] <randabis> the benefits of the optimizations are trivial
[10:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: then have fun ironing out the cpus that report a family but are missing instructions.
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> assuming it meant no additional work on his part.
[10:55] <crimsun> remember the installer's goal is to get a _WORKING_ system installed, not an _OPTIMISED_ system.
[10:55] <spiral> hi
[10:55] <njs12345> the thing is, kernels are big, like I said before.. so they'd really need to be fetched from the internet
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: if the 686 kernel doesn't work, why is it in the packages?
[10:56] <randabis> it DOES work...
[10:56] <njs12345> yes, it does
[10:56] <njs12345> I run it now
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: so the 686 kernel is markedly larger than the 386?
[10:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ...why do you think 386 is installed by default?
[10:56] <njs12345> no
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> randabis then why didn't ubuntu install it on my system instead of the 386?
[10:56] <njs12345> but you'd need to have both on the CD if you didn't want to piss people off
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: because the installer is stupid.
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: you mean the 386 one is the only one on the CD?
[10:57] <HappyFool> BROKEN_LADDER: conservative design. it is a good principle.
[10:57] <njs12345> yes
[10:57] <randabis> the installer's goal is to get your system up and running, not to optimize it
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> sheesh, why didn't you guys just say that before?
[10:57] <randabis> uh crimsun DID say that
 remember the installer's goal is to get a _WORKING_ system installed, not an _OPTIMISED_ system.
[10:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: repeat after me: a working system comes before an optimised system.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> he was talking about ironing out proc bugs.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i totally agree with that crimsun.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> you seem to be very confused.
[10:58] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, once I have downloaded that unstable firefox deb package, do I just run it?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: well, you install it.
[10:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: _I_ am confused?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:58] <klaym> for a Pentium 3 650mhz, which is better: 386 or 686 kernel?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: yes.  horribly
[10:58] <randabis> why are you installing firefox from a debian repository?
[10:59] <randabis> why not just get the backport?
[10:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: praytell, about what?
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i never said that one should take a buggy but "faster" kernel over a stable but slower one.  i said that if all other things are equal, it would be illogical to install the slower one.
[10:59] <crimsun> randabis: the danger of using ubuntu-bp is that they are versioned incorrectly and will cause massive headaches for users upgrading from warty to hoary.
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> in this case, the only reason not to is the size of what can fit on the CD.
[10:59] <kakalto> randabis: backport?
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> but instead of taking that logical argument, you talked about ironing out bugs.
[10:59] <randabis> crimsun, oh! I see :(
[11:00] <randabis> I would say that is jdong's fault?
[11:00] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: but of course you realise that all things are _not_ equal
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> in terms of size of what can fit on a CD, no.
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> but that's not what you argued.
[11:00] <klaym> peace out people, humanity to others!
[11:00] <randabis> kakalto, in light of what crimsun just said, I wouldn't use the backport
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> my roomie named is ipod "ubuntu".
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> we say "ubuntu" about everything.
[11:01] <randabis> do what you were doing before :/
[11:01] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: correctness _always_ comes prior to speed.
[11:01] <kakalto> what on earth is a backport?
[11:01] <HappyFool> its a time-machine
[11:01] <aCilnv> hi again .. sorry to be back again .. but .. NVIDIA is still not happy under hoary .. when x boot's .. it's blackscreen .. then complaints about the GLCore modules not being found .. and fonts paths .. all this after a dist-upgrade to hoary .. any ideas ?
[11:01] <randabis> klaym use the 686 kernel I suppose
[11:01] <njs12345> kaklalto: a package that is normally only in hoary, but some dude has released a package for warty
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use a thickly accented african voice and explain, "ubuntu means buying cheap drugs and selling dem one dee street foa veddy moch moneh
[11:01] <kakalto> and should I be downloading the unstable version of firefox, or not?
[11:01] <cavediver> Err http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages
[11:01] <cavediver>   404 Not Found
[11:01] <njs12345> no
[11:01] <cavediver> Anyone get that message?
[11:01] <kakalto> since I'm having problems with an extension: foxytunes
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: there's nothing incorrect about the 686 kernel.
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just that cd's can only hold so much data.
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is foxytunes?
[11:02] <njs12345> of you really need it, then you can get it from either backports or hoary
[11:02] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: on a 386 or a 486 or a 586-class cpu? you bet your arse there's something wrong about it.
[11:02] <klaym> actually I have an install cd for x86 -computers, so that would be good anyway?
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i don't have such a cpu.
[11:03] <randabis> well in light of what crimsun said about backports, I'd advise not using it unless you're prepared to go a lot of fixing
[11:03] <kakalto> so should I be downloading the unstable version of firefox, or not?
[11:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: we're not talking about _you_, are we?
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: absolutely.
[11:03] <kakalto> does the version on the mozilla homepage work?
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: yes we are.
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i used the installer and it gave me a version that is not optimized for MY processor.
[11:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if we're talking about you, then this discussion is moot, because you can customise the installer for YOU.
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> MY processor, which it could DETECT.
[11:03] <randabis> this isn't gentoo...
[11:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> the installer can't tell what cpu i have?
[11:04] <kakalto> I wish gentoo had everythign working like ubuntu did
[11:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> if there had been any dialog asking what cpu i have, i would have answered correctly.
[11:04] <njs12345> yes, but your average Joe might not have
[11:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: and if you answered incorrectly? say a k7?
[11:04] <njs12345> and that's who Ubuntu is mainly aimed at (and it generally does a very good job as well)
[11:04] <randabis> if you really wanted a different kernel at the install, I suppose you could have used the expert install and picked the packages you wanted in aptitude
[11:05] <kakalto> gentoo was cool, but... sound didn't work, neither did the scroll button, and I had kde, not gnome (which could be justified)
[11:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: the installer should detect it.
[11:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case..on to more important issues.\
[11:06] <kakalto> >:(
[11:06] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> what?
[11:07] <kakalto> why did you tell me that I already had all requirements?
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is terrible
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: i didn't.
[11:07] <kakalto> "dependency problems"
[11:07] <klaym> how is kde terrible?
[11:07] <kakalto> yes you did
[11:07] <kakalto> I asked you
[11:07] <kakalto> kde is terrible.
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: i said you should use it, not that you had the dependencies.
[11:08] <kakalto> I asked a question somewhere...
[11:08] <kakalto> let me find it
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde's look and feel and everything about it is like some kind of windows nightmare.
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's atrocious.
[11:08] <cavediver> Is it just me getting error message when using backport apt-entry in Warty AMD64 ?
[11:08] <crimsun> cavediver: no, and njs12345 even said as much.
[11:08] <klaym> KDE reminds me more of MacOS, which is fine
[11:08] <cavediver> Oh must have missed that
[11:08] <crimsun> please, please read before just wandering off and shooting in the dark.
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: if there are dependency prodblems, just install the dependencies.
[11:09] <kakalto> with apt-get?
[11:09] <kakalto> or the deb search
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome reminds me much much much more of osx than kde.  kde is the polar opposite of osx.
[11:09] <njs12345> I don't like KDE, but if you do that's fine
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, kde and osx both have this awkward bloated feel.
[11:09] <crimsun> kakalto: let me reiterate: installing from external repositories can be hazardous.
[11:09] <kakalto> I like the look of fluxbox, but it doesn't come default with ubuntu :(
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> fluxbox is awesome.
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> especially with the minimal theme.
[11:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should come with ubuntu.
[11:10] <crimsun> then step up and maintain it.
[11:10] <kakalto> crimsun; if I uninstall my current version of firefox, and (attempt) to install the version that's on www.getfirefox.com then will I have any problems?
[11:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: of course the nice thing about package management is that you can always revert.
[11:11] <crimsun> kakalto: you may. If you wish to stick with package management, you may as well dist-upgrade to Hoary.
[11:11] <klaym> I don't especially like KDE, but I'm about to change from Suse to Ubuntu, and want some encourage ;)
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: you mean from source?
[11:11] <kakalto> probably not
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: if i run dist-upgrade right now, will it go to hoary?
[11:11] <kakalto> likely binary
[11:11] <hth> broken_ladder: since you are only complaining: why aren't you just using another distribution? Caution: rethorical question: don't bother to answer
[11:11] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: right this instant? no, because you haven't adjusted your repo list.
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was using slackware.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> how stable is hoary?
[11:12] <crimsun> "It's in development." 'nuff said.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> nth i wasn't complaining.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> you misunderstood.
[11:12] <kakalto> and how large is it, if I go "dist-upgrade"?
[11:12] <Demitar> If it breaks you get to keep both pieces. :)
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> nth i understand that, because of size limitations on a cd, the default kernel was installed.
[11:12] <crimsun> nearly 700 MB of upgrades.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow.
[11:13] <njs12345> I don't have problems with it, but you might
[11:13] <kakalto> stuff that
[11:13] <kakalto> is hoary getting shipped out with Shipit just like warty was?
[11:13] <crimsun> what did you expect? it's virtually an entirely new version.
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> how does one go about adjusting the repo list to upgrade to hoary?
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to be a hoar.
[11:13] <crimsun> kakalto: yes, see the notice on the home page regarding ordering dates.
[11:13] <kakalto> my computer wants to be hoary but I don't let it
[11:14] <randabis> I like my hoary :)
[11:14] <kakalto> if I signed up for warty, I don't need to sign up again for hoary, do I?
[11:15] <BROKEN_LADDER>  It is very easy to upgrade to 'Hoary': just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary'.
[11:15] <njs12345> even
[11:15] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, not quite the same...
[11:15] <njs12345> sudo perl -pi -e 's/warty/hoary/' /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:16] <crimsun> kakalto: if you want hoary cds, you must sign up for them.
[11:16] <kakalto> do I have to, if I have signed up for warty, though?
[11:16] <kakalto> is it releasly, or sign-up every time?
[11:17] <kakalto> *releasly = per release
[11:17] <RobbieB> Does anybody here have a copy of the kernel <IP_ADDRESS> sources installed?
[11:18] <Suva> I made a patch for cheesetracker
[11:18] <Suva> I wonder if anyone want's this? :P
[11:18] <crimsun> RobbieB: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:18] <RobbieB> yes
[11:18] <RobbieB> do you have it?
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Need to get 486MB of archives.
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> After unpacking 183MB of additional disk space will be used
[11:19] <njs12345> RobbieB: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[11:19] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, be sure to answer YES to anything it asks you
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've noticed that the anti-aliasing in X is better than on any other system.
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't i make it not ask me things so i can go to bed?
[11:19] <RobbieB> Yes, I have a problem with those sources and was wondering if someone can check something for me
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes yes..bill my credit card, yes crack nsa computers, it's fine, lemme sleep.
[11:20] <crimsun> RobbieB: upstream <IP_ADDRESS> != Ubuntu's <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:20] <randabis> probably...not sure how
[11:20] <RobbieB> I have the Ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> sources
[11:20] <randabis> but some parts of the dist-upgrade will not continue until you answer the question it asks
[11:20] <abelli> where can i find eclipse for warty?
[11:20] <njs12345> that's the setup part though
[11:21] <njs12345> so you ought to be able to just leave it up
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i still don't understand where new users get their desktop settings like background image and theme in ubuntu.
[11:21] <Demitar> apt-get -y
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not in /etc/skel so wtf
[11:21] <swim> hay, whats the meaning of life?  ... no um what is synaptic built with gtk 1.0 ?
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: oh..handy.
[11:21] <swim> can I theme such apps as synaptics?
[11:21] <RobbieB> I am missing the /drivers/net/wireless/net80211 sources, they are not in the source package
[11:21] <Demitar> I don't recall if that's the dangerous version though. :)
[11:21] <RobbieB> Anyone else see this as well?
[11:21] <crimsun> swim: 2.4
[11:22] <Demitar> No, --force-yes is the dangerous version.
[11:22] <swim> crimsun, is it themable? Ive noticed a few apps not following gnome theme (non qt apps as well)
[11:22] <crimsun> swim: I've never tried.
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> no one ever seems to be able to answer the basic question, where is the /skel in ubuntu?
[11:23] <randabis> you need to install KDE if you want to change the look and feel of QT apps iirc
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> frustrating
[11:23] <spockster> is there a definitive guide availible to installing a ma111 usb adapter?
[11:24] <swim> randabis, dont need to install all of kde... just whatever is necessary to run some kde apps
[11:24] <[Spooky] > hey hm... whats the command to do root and set a password ?
[11:25] <randabis> sudo passwd root
[11:25] <swim> and I just found a milk for kde so now amarok looks like the rest ;)
[11:25] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, er? You mean /etc/skel?
[11:26] <[Spooky] > randabis: "Sorry try again" i get...
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where is the equivalent of /etc/skel in ubuntu.
[11:26] <kakalto> how could I update the package "libpng12-0", when the synaptic package manager doesn't think it needs updating, but another file does...
[11:26] <randabis> Spooky you have to enter your USER password first
[11:26] <crimsun> /etc/skel is /etc/skel
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are new users getting their default settings from, since /etc/skel only has two files.
[11:26] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, how about, say, /etc/skel?
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's not it.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> /etc/skel has no user settings.
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> new users get this ugly brown wallpaper and theme.
[11:27] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, check /etc/adduser.conf
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: you're perhaps the biggest genius in this place.
[11:27] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that has nothing to do with /etc/skel
[11:27] <Demitar> That's gnome not skel.
[11:27] <[Spooky] > randabis: thanks :)
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's why i asked for "equivalent".
[11:28] <crimsun> /etc/skel's equivalent is /etc/skel
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> all files that a new user has by default should be in /etc/skel.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in ubuntu it's not buddy.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> did you not see what he just wrote above?
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> adduser.conf
[11:28] <Demitar> Yes, but the defaults in gnome are not installed when you add the user.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause somebody in the project wants to break standards with every other distro.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> lots of fun!
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[11:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you might actually try reading /etc/adduser.conf
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't tell me Demitar.  gnome actually creates them from that file if they don't exist already.
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> horrid horrid things people do sometimes.
[11:29] <crimsun> ok, so you've not read /etc/adduser.conf at all.
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks for being helpful Demitar.
[11:29] <crimsun> that's apparent.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i would really like it if you didn't talk to me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks.
[11:30] <crimsun> then /ignore me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> you seem to support every ignorant thing every developer does.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> unquestioningly.
[11:30] <zAo^> how can I start egg aMSN and let it start on my 4th workspace ? ($ amsn 0:4 ????)
[11:30] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, remember what we said about being friendly and the code of conduct earlier?
[11:30] <randabis> # The SKEL variable specifies the directory containing "skeletal" user
[11:30] <randabis> # files; in other words, files such as a sample .profile that will be
[11:30] <randabis> # copied to the new user's home directory when it is created.
[11:30] <randabis> SKEL=/etc/skel
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm being friendly.  i asked him nicely not to talk to me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i even said please.
[11:31] <Demitar> If you keep that up pretty soon noone will want to help you.
[11:31] <crimsun> [for the record, he didn't say "please" in that context]
[11:31] <eli> HELP: ubuntu installation will not boot (first time)
[11:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: i thanked you sincerely for the help.
[11:31] <Demitar> He took of his free time and offered his help. The least you can do is to be polite.
[11:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's good to see a helpful person in here.
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> help?  no he just criticized me.
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's rude, and that's about all i see in this place.
[11:32] <njs12345> you're the one coming in here with critical altitude BROKEN_LADDER
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> but seriously, thank you for the adduser.conf thing.  i asked about this for days before you helped me out on that one.
[11:33] <eli> Can anybody make some suggestion on why grub will not boot, after installing for the first time?
[11:33] <Demitar> eli, "will not boot"?
[11:34] <Demitar> As in, no menu or it won't do anything?
[11:34] <eli> Hi Demitar, thanks. Installed from the cd (on top of previous kanotix). First it says graphics file missing, then, grub menu still has kanotix...
[11:35] <RobbieB> eli, where did you install GRUB during installation? In the MBR?
[11:35] <eli> Then, when clicking the top boot option, Error 15 File not found
[11:35] <eli> It did not give me a choice. There was already grub installed there from the previous kanotix
[11:35] <Demitar> Well, it sounds like it reads the menu.lst from the old installation. Most likely reinstalling grub will fix it.
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually Demitar i looked in /etc/adduser and i don't see any settings that would cause new users to have their ubunu theme and wallpaper.
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are those settings coming from?
[11:36] <eli> Demitar: how to reinstall grub, if I can not boot?
[11:36] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, as we concluded earlier, it won't. The first time you log in as a gnome user gnome will supply those defaults (most likely it doesn't install anything, only uses the defaults).
[11:37] <Demitar> eli, you have too options: 1. emergency disk/cd  2. tell grub to boot off the correct disk (since it has a commandline interface)
[11:37] <Demitar> s/too/two/
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: where are those defaults defined?
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: that's what i'm looking for.
[11:38] <randabis> hmm...perhaps gnome's defaults can be changed
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> they have to be..
[11:38] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, I suspect it's all gconf /etc/gconf/ ...
[11:38] <eli> Demitar: 1. I do not have the emergency disk, only the original boot disk. 2. I can get to the command line of grub.
[11:38] <eli> Can I just reinstall grub using the installation cd?
[11:39] <randabis> actually you can...
[11:39] <randabis> you can use the installation CD to chroot into your ubuntu
[11:39] <Demitar> eli, original bootdisk would do the trick, yes. But if you're comfortable with computers choosing the kernel with grub might be easier.
[11:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas
[11:40] <randabis> there's a description of how to do that on www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:40] <eli> Demitar: I can not find the kernet with the command line interface of grub
[11:40] <eli> (I do not know how to do it...)
[11:40] <mjr> hmh, doesn't gnome-vfs's sftp method know how to ask for a password?
[11:40] <mjr> christ
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> mjr: i'm curious about that gnome-vfs.
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that allow me just to see the files in nauilus, or to actually let other apps use them as though they are local files?
[11:41] <Demitar> Well the syntax is something like this: kernel (hd0, 0)/boot/vmlinuz...
[11:41] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas (crimsun posted that, not sure if you ignored him)
[11:41] <randabis> to alter gnome's defaults
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was about to say thanks to crimsun for that
[11:41] <randabis> ah
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i saw it.
[11:41] <mjr> BROKEN_LADDER, it allows other gnome-vfs-aware apps to use it
[11:41] <Demitar> And then you need to specify initrd too: initrd (hd0, 0)/boot/initrd...
[11:41] <mjr> hmm, but apparently sftp:// can ask for a password, wonder what's wrong then
[11:41] <eli> Demitar: when I type that I get file not found
[11:42] <Demitar> eli, hd0 specifies which physical disk. , 0 specifies the partition.
[11:42] <Demitar> Then type /boot/ and tab-complete the rest.
[11:42] <mjr> hmm, it must be that the account I was trying to access has sftp-server as shell
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i'm just going to install the lufs kernel module to be able to mount ssh connections.
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need a way to easily edit my web site.
[11:43] <mjr> BROKEN_LADDER, that is more handy
[11:43] <mjr> and I'm eager for the day there'll be userspace fs support in the default kernel
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah but i'm sure installing the module will be a pain.  i've never insalled a module that wasn't already in the source during a kernel compile.
[11:44] <Mayday> so when i select "custom icon" on something on the desktop it starts to search in /usr/share/pixmaps, is it someway to change the default directory it opens?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack..it's 281 here.  freezing.
[11:44] <eli> Demitar: there is something else, because when I typed boot after selecting the kernel, it said append a coorect root= boot option
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly do you mean by userspace?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was reading about this lufsmount thing and it was discussing that very issue.
[11:45] <Demitar> eli, ah, yes. root=/dev/hda1 ro (hda1 being the partition and disk you installed it on)
[11:45] <Demitar> After the kernel.
[11:45] <Kakalto> how do I make a symlink?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ln -s
[11:45] <Kakalto> command?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ln -s target link_path i believe
[11:45] <Kakalto> I'll man it, I just want the command
[11:45] <Demitar> Kakalto, man ln :)
[11:46] <Kakalto> Demitar, BROKEN_LADDER, thanks
[11:46] <Demitar> eli, when you've specified kernel and initrd you type boot to, well, boot. :)
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wonder how hard it would be to install linux on one of those mac minis.
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> the hardware looks cool and is abou what a shuttle system would cost.
[11:47] <Suva> BROKEN_LADDER, it's not hard
[11:47] <Suva> It has allready been done
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just compile your kernel and there are modules for the sound card and everything?
[11:47] <Suva> But I wouldn't install linux on a Mac system
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's pretty impressive.
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> why not?
[11:48] <Suva> Cause Mac own stuff is better :P
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have to be kidding me.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i guess you could install X on it.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> over osx
[11:48] <eli> Demitar: after typing root=/dev/hda1 ro at the end of the kernel line, I type boot. It displays a few messages, and then says cannot open root device hda1 or unknown block. Should it be hda1 or hda0
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the osx gui is terrible.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> apps' menus are at the top of the screen instead of in their own windows.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way bloated.
[11:49] <isaac> what?
[11:49] <isaac> the menubar == bloat?
[11:49] <isaac> hehaha
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> just the interface.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> is bloated.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> the menubar is just poorly designed.
[11:50] <Demitar> eli, the same as you specified for where to find the kernel, but hd0 becomes hda and hd1 hdb etc and , 0 becomes hda1 and , 1 becomes hda2
[11:50] <Suva> Well it's still better than Linux :D
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't have a menu bar at the top of my screen in gnome.  i just have app menu, window list, notification icon bar, workspace switcher, date/time..
[11:50] <Kakalto> what do I require for Idd to work?
[11:50] <njs12345> Suva: not for me :P
[11:50] <Demitar> (hd0, 0) -> /dev/hda1 ; (hd3, 6) -> /dev/hdd7
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> better than linux?
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> the gnome gui is sooooo much better than osx's.
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> faster, more customizable, more intuitive.
[11:51] <gurrio> hi
[11:51] <njs12345> no-one knows whether it's better than linux because it's proprietrary
[11:51] <Suva> Ah, don't care :P
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: good point :)
[11:51] <isaac> drop the soooooo much and append "in some ways"
[11:51] <gurrio> i'm trying to run ubuntu live-cd,and when the X-server starts, the gnome desktop doesn't appear. so i reestart the x-server and then appears the gdm login screen. And i don't know the either username or the password. Could you help me, or where can i found them.
[11:51] <Suva> I am not going to buy one anyways
[11:51] <Kakalto> what do I require for Idd to work?
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> isaac: in many ways it's soooo much better.
[11:51] <Kakalto> hello?
[11:51] <eli> Demitar: I have 1 hard disk, took the whole of it for ubuntu (creating 2 partitions, I think).  :P
[11:52] <Demitar> Suva, sudo
[11:52] <Kakalto> not quite
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> is upgrading to hoary going to require me to restart?
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> Suva: there is root in ubuntu
[11:52] <Kakalto> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:52] <Suva> I don't want some sucking sudo
[11:52] <Kakalto> restarting ubuntu without restarting
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> Suva: sudo to change the root pass then you can log in as root.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo is more secure however.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should use sudo when you can stand it.
[11:53] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, yes, you'll need to reboot
[11:53] <randabis> Kakalto, that merely restarts X
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i assumed so.
[11:53] <Suva> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root%20password
[11:54] <Suva> Ok
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> my system has been up for five months.  how depressing.
[11:54] <randabis> :(
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> j/k
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> five months no way
[11:54] <Demitar> eli, something along the lines of: kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro - and then - initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.img - and finally - boot
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i run on an old dell rack server which is so loud and drains so much power that i always turn it off at night and when i go to work.
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here use gaim?
[11:54] <randabis> I do
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you have the otr plugin?
[11:54] <eli> Demitar: Is is booting now!!!!
[11:55] <Demitar> eli, yay! :)
[11:55] <randabis> otr?
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/
[11:55] <eli> Demitar: entering the next steps of configuration...
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a "revolutionary" encryption plugin.
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's something everyone should use if he can.
[11:56] <randabis> nice
[11:56] <eli> Demitar: while it continues... Will I have to write the lines that I just typed into some configuration file?
[11:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's really easy to install to.
[11:56] <Demitar> eli, you probably want to check that /boot/grub/menu.lst is sane and then run "grub-install /dev/hda"
[11:56] <njs12345> I use gaim-encryption already, so I don't really need it
[11:57] <Kakalto> how exactly do I make a symbolic link inside a file (a dll) to another file?
[11:57] <njs12345> however it does look interesting
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> and if you have it, it basically detects when the other party has it, and connects.
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> gaim-encryption doesn't do anything like what otr does.
[11:57] <njs12345> ln -s <file to be linked to> <symbolic link>
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should read about otr.
[11:57] <Demitar> eli, they should be in the menu file already, really.
[11:57] <njs12345> well, it encrypts messages
[11:57] <njs12345> and I'm not stupid enough to lose control of private keys
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr is encryption plus authentication plus repudiability.
[11:57] <eli> Demitar: The order I did was 1. setup... 2. kernel .... 3. initrd.... 4. boot Is this all to it?
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the point of encryption without authentication?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the point of authentication without repudiability?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr makes gaim-encryption utterly obsolete
[11:58] <Kakalto> njs12345, that command didn't work
[11:58] <Kakalto> it said the file already exists
[11:58] <Demitar> eli, that is enough, there is some other magic, your menu.lst should contain entries like this:
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr is also cross platform/client.
[11:58] <gurrio> Sorry, but how can i know what's the default user and pass on the live-cd?
[11:58] <Demitar> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-2-686
[11:58] <Demitar> root            (hd0,0)
[11:58] <Demitar> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[11:58] <Demitar> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-686
[11:58] <Demitar> savedefault
[11:58] <Demitar> boot
[11:59] <Demitar> And those should be installed by the kernel packages automagically.
[11:59] <randabis> the otr deb is down :/
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have it.
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> but that's sad
[12:00] <eli> Demitar: after I get into the system (which is downloading packages now), I will check this. It is now downloading security patches, locales
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/[..] inaries/debian/gaim-otr_1.0.3-2_i386.deb
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://freshmeat.net/redir/otr/55072/url_deb/gaim-otr_1.0.3-2_i386.deb
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works
[12:01] <randabis> the gaim plugin depends on the library though
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> but you need to have gaim 1.1.1 or better.
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just install libotr and otr
[12:01] <randabis> the library deb is down not the gaim plugin
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> easy as cake.
[12:01] <Demitar> eli, if you already have defined an account you can simply switch to another console: ALT-F2 (or any F1-F6). And login there and do the stuff.
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> randabis ahh
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it will be back up shortly then i'm sure
[12:02] <randabis> :/
[12:02] <eli> Demitar: Yes, I can do alt-f2. What should I check there?
[12:02] <Tomcat_> Can anybody here tell me what song this is? http://www.sarahundhelge.de/tomcats_illegale_files/Cut.mp3
[12:02] <Demitar> eli, have you created an account? (I don't remember when in the install process that is done.)
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't wait to be a hoar: 134kB/s 29m35s
[12:03] <eli> Demitar: is the user that I defined the same as root? I dont remember being asked for the root password? Reply to you: yes, I can login with the user that I have already defind.
[12:03] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, what package number? :P
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i always found it really frustrating that a kilobyte wasn't exactly 1000 bytes, and a megabyte wasn't exactly a million.
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> package "number"?
[12:03] <randabis> root is not defined by default eli
[12:04] <Demitar> eli, good, then type "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[12:04] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, the "get" number
[12:04] <[Spooky] > im new to this *.deb thing... all debs are ok ?
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> sheesh..hell if i know.
[12:04] <Demitar> And you should get a list of something resembling the entry I pasted above.
[12:04] <eli> Demitar: when I look at the contents of /boot I think that a new kernel was not created there. The kernel is vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3.386, which I think came from kanotix
[12:04] <randabis> no! not all debs are ok
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> isn't that number just valid if it's hosted in the debian repositories?
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's from two comp sci profs at UC Berkeley.
[12:05] <eli> Demitar: but the initrd has the date of today...
[12:05] <eli> Demitar: but the numbers of the kernel and initrd match: <IP_ADDRESS>-3.386
[12:06] <Demitar> eli, does the title say ubuntu?
[12:06] <swim> has anyone tried sidecandy yet?
[12:06] <Demitar> Since that kernel is in ubuntu.
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> holy cow it's 3am..i'm off to bed.
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> nite guys.
[12:06] <randabis> nite
[12:06] <randabis> 5 am here :p
[12:06] <eli> Demitar: what file should I be looking at? At the moment I am doing ls and looking at the contents of /boot
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in san francisco.
[12:06] <aperson> 5am here too
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> where it's a chilly 281k.
[12:06] <lkerscher> is anywhere a german ubuntu channel?
[12:06] <Demitar> eli, did you cat (or less or more) menu.lst?
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> nein.
[12:07] <lkerscher> nein?
[12:07] <eli> Demitar: I do not have menu.lst in /boot
[12:07] <Demitar> eli, /boot/grub/menu.lst or don't you have a grub dir?
[12:07] <swim> does anyone know how to install sidecandy?
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know.
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to rip off my roomie's windows fonts tommorrow.
[12:08] <eli> Demitar: Yes, and there is a menu.lst that I am looking at now
[12:08] <Demitar> eli, and it contains kernels that look ok?
[12:08] <yowwww> can anyone tell me why gdm wont start upon a fresh install with updates?
[12:09] <szi> does anyone know to what degree ubuntu is compatible with debian
[12:09] <[Spooky] > so how good is it to buld from src in ubuntu ?
[12:09] <[Spooky] > *build
[12:09] <eli> Demitar: there lines with Ubuntu in the title, but I did not see these lines when booting. The kernel version is the same as what I said before.
[12:09] <szi> is it possible to track debian unstable after doing an ubuntu install?
[12:09] <Demitar> szi, not without serious breakage due to binary incompabilities.
[12:09] <szi> Demitar: lame
[12:09] <gt500> 'llo peepz :)
[12:09] <eli> Demitar: when booting I definitely did not see menu.lst
[12:10] <Demitar> eli, then run "sudo grub-install /dev/hda"
[12:10] <szi> Demitar: so far i like what i see as far as the live cd, but i'll stick straight debian
[12:10] <eli> Demitar: it is asking me for a password....
[12:10] <Demitar> szi, well you pretty much have all debian packages built for ubuntu in the universe collection, built directly from debian.
[12:11] <Demitar> eli, it's your user account's password.
[12:11] <randabis> ubuntu stays more up to date than straight debian :)
[12:11] <swim> welp gnight all
[12:11] <Demitar> randabis, apart from the occacional quirks in universe due to packages depending on exact versions, or ubuntu simply being more up to date. :)
[12:12] <eli> Demitar: and then I get cannot remove /boot/grub.stage1: permission denied
[12:12] <Demitar> Hmm...
[12:12] <randabis> :)
[12:12] <gt500> sudo 8)
[12:13] <Demitar> eli, well, make sure that your grub package is up to date, and try again. (The stages should be in /boot/grub/ not /boot/grub.*
[12:14] <eli> Demitar: CORRECTION: I did run it, and it seem to have done it ok. How do I know if it is ok?
[12:15] <eli> Demitar: the files in the grub directrory have now today's date
[12:15] <Demitar> Only one way to know for sure. And I imagine you can guess what. :)
[12:16] <eli> Demitar: I will wait until the session at alt-F1 finishes downloading. It is now on package 61, and does not say when it will finish.
[12:16] <Demitar> Yes, that's a good idea.
[12:16] <Demitar> Good luck.
[12:16] <cavediver> Damn, I can't even run the binary installer frn mozilla.org. I'm trying to install FF 1.0
[12:17] <Demitar> cavediver, in ubuntu?
[12:17] <eli> Demitar: thanks very much. One last question: I see that the swap partition is only 200 megabytes, the / particion is 8o Gigabytes. Is this an acceptable value?
[12:18] <cavediver> Demitar: yes.
[12:18] <Demitar> eli, I think it'll be ok. A bit more swap can be good since it doesn't hurt (I hear 2.6 kernels suggest twice as much swap as ram).
[12:18] <cavediver> I hate being stuck with FF 0.8
[12:18] <cavediver> :/
[12:18] <Demitar> cavediver, ah, I forgot I switched to hoary. :)
[12:18] <eli> Demitar: Is it possible to increase the swap after installation?
[12:19] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:19] <cavediver> Demitar: I see :=) Is it somewhat stable ?
[12:19] <Demitar> eli, well, first. How much ram does the box have.
[12:19] <eli> Demitar: it has 390 megabytes
[12:19] <Demitar> cavediver, you probably shouldn't ask me I've been running debian/sid exclusively for years.
[12:21] <cavediver> Me to. I had problems with sid and switched to Ubuntu. Only need FF and TB 1.0. Backports doesn't work in A64 version, unfortunately.
[12:21] <Demitar> eli, then it probably has so much ram that it won't be a problem anyway. But if you're worried you can either test one of the e2fs partition resizing tools (never tried one myself) or reinstall from scratch.
[12:21] <Demitar> cavediver, then upgrade already. ;-) It's not unstable.
[12:21] <cavediver> I might just do that :=)
[12:22] <Demitar> I just needed one compiler upgrade. And let's just say that upgrades only become complicated when upgrading from potato and sid and apt can't read the older package files. ;-) Which I happened to do recently, since I only had a potato disc handy. :)
[12:23] <eli> Demitar: in windows 390 is not much memory.... B
[12:23] <eli> Demitar: about resizing: will try it later. It just finished downloading the packages, and it is not unpacking them. Lets get first a system that works.
[12:24] <Demitar> eli, well, the main memory hogs for me are firefox and evolution (or thunderbird). But I'm a console person so I probably don't count (a few terminals, emacs and a browser and I'm happy ;) ).
[12:24] <Demitar> Oh, and X-Chat obviously. :)
[12:25] <eli> Demitar: I like x, and will be using emacs, tex, mysql, and perhaps some email and mozilla. I felt that the swap was too small....
[12:25] <eli> Demitar: also the web server, and php.
[12:26] <Demitar> Yeah, it's probably good to get a bit extra then. I was amazed how little memory ubuntu used, then I realized I hadn't installed all the servers I usually habitually install. :)
[12:27] <Demitar> And I finally got a new hd to I got myself a grand 10G swap. ;-) Which due to the reasons I mentioned before is entirely unused. :)
[12:27] <eli> Demitar: Yes, this is also something that I will be looking at later: I do not want to have un-needed software, just to take memory and boot time.
[12:28] <eli> Demitar: with kanotix I could see in one applet the memory used, including the swap. It was almost full all the time (the swap memory)
[12:28] <eli> Meaning, it was being used.
[12:30] <eli> Demitar: Going back to something from before: Is there a root user?
[12:30] <randabis> not by default
[12:31] <eli> randabis: was this a reply to me?
[12:31] <randabis> well...actually there is a root user, but he has no password by default
[12:31] <randabis> yes eli :)
[12:31] <eli> randabis: Can I use su?
[12:31] <Demitar> As randabis said, it can only be accessed through sudo.
[12:31] <randabis> ubuntu makes use of the sudo command
[12:32] <Demitar> (Prevents remote root logins and that entire madness as a bonus.)
[12:32] <eli> Is sudo for the whole session or just for the immediate command?
[12:32] <Demitar> It has a timeout.
[12:32] <randabis> the immediate command
[12:32] <randabis> with timeout
[12:32] <randabis> you can open a terminal though that has root privs
[12:32] <[Spooky] > hm a lame question ? howto install a deb package ? :) isnt it pkg something ?
[12:32] <eli> Ok, I am sure I will get used to it.
[12:33] <randabis> dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:33] <randabis> with sudo of course
[12:33] <[Spooky] > thanks again :)
[12:33] <eli> randabis: yes, that is exactly what I was thinking, wanting to do.
[12:33] <randabis> eli, it will be in your gnome applications menu under system tools
[12:34] <randabis> optionally you can make your own root terminal launcher
[12:34] <randabis> you would use gksudo gnome-terminal as the command field of your launcher
[12:35] <eli> Just now booting into x, good screen size. Seems very good.
[12:35] <randabis> :)
[12:35] <randabis> I'll be back in a minute
[12:35] <eli> My mozilla client does not have the nice faces so here it oges :-) :-) :-) :-)
[12:35] <randabis> gonna go over to my laptop so I can lay down
[12:36] <eli> Well, it does show the faces...
[12:36] <nir> anyone got 4.1 running on G5?
[12:36] <topyli> randabis-laptop: smart move, it's sunday after all
[12:37] <eli> randabis: Thanks for your help.
[12:37] <nir> I boot with Enter, or with install video-ofonly
[12:37] <chris_> hi.. got a simple query - basic warty install - selecting a login theme manager, how come when logged into gnome as a normal user, when i enter the root password (as it asks to swtich user) it always fails, but when I enter my user password it runs the login theme manager?
[12:37] <eli> Demitar: thanks very much for your help. It was great.
[12:37] <randabis-laptop> yep
[12:38] <nir> but I get only gray screen with message about opening display
[12:38] <randabis-laptop> no problem eli
[12:38] <nir> and then nothing for minutes
[12:38] <nir> trying on G5 dual 2 Giga
[12:38] <randabis-laptop> because the root user is disabled unless you enabled it
[12:39] <topyli> people all over the net speak of irda-lan like it's really possible. i'm getting more and more convinced it's sheer fantasy
[12:39] <eli> randabis, Demitar: and amazingly: it sees the windows network and its computers
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> nir because root has no password by default
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> when it asks for a password, it wants your user password
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> that's how sudo / gksudo works
[12:40] <chris_> yeah, whys that? using sudo ?
[12:40] <chris_> ahh..
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> eli that's great
[12:40] <chris_> I just thought it was like su
[12:40] <chris_> just confused me a little bit
[12:41] <randabis-laptop> it's a little different...it's more secure than su
[12:41] <chris_> I've always used su, so it's a new concept to me heh
[12:42] <topyli> it's more difficult to crack a root account when it's disabled :)
[12:42] <nir> randabis-laptop, I'm not talking about login
[12:42] <randabis-laptop> nir I know you're not
[12:43] <nir> If it was not clear - I trying to boot from the cd
[12:43] <randabis-laptop> ooh
[12:43] <randabis-laptop> I mixed you up with chris_ my appologies
[12:43] <nir> np
[12:43] <nir> :)
[12:48] <cavediver> hmm.. I installed mencoder-amd64, but what's the name of the binary ? It was mencoder on debian, but not here.
[12:50] <randabis-laptop> check /usr/bin
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -L mencoder-amd64 will list the contents of the package
[12:53] <david> ola
[12:53] <david> estoy listo
[12:53] <david> para actualizar a hoary
[12:53] <david> de warty a hoary
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> david: #ubuntu-es
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> at a guess
[12:53] <spiral> mjg59: hmmm... Where can I find more informations about the smart battery stability ?
[12:53] <david> ya esta actualizado el sources.list
[12:53] <david> ahora un apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <david> y listo
[12:54] <david> ahora estoy con ubuntu
[12:54] <david> recien instalado
[12:54] <david> sin drivers oficiales
[12:54] <david> ni nada
[12:54] <david> eso lo hare despues
[12:54] <david> de actualizar
[12:54] <david> :)
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> david: sorry, I only speak english (and bad english)
[12:54] <randabis-laptop> no habla espanol:(
[12:54] <david> una pregunta
[12:55] <norman> ohai! :P
[12:55] <norman> cool. i like this
[12:55] <norman> it autoconnected to ubuntu :P
[12:56] <norman> anyway..: since im here. can one wine 3ds max in linux?
[12:57] <norman> ahhh, then it got silent :P
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> norman: not sure, blender runs natively, you'd have to ask wine people
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> or try it
[12:58] <norman> ye, but i cant mount my ntfspartition
[12:58] <norman> simply cause i dont know how to mount :P
[12:59] <spiral> norman: mount /dev/hda1 [mountpoint]  -t ntfs -o ro may help
[12:59] <randabis-laptop> perhaps you should checkout the howto on that subject on www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:00] <mjg59> spiral: The acpi-devel mailing list
[01:02] <spiral> mjg59: I'm looking at it
[01:02] <spiral> thanks
[01:05] <spockster> ma111 usb  is there a guide availible?
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> spockstar: ubuntuguide.org
[01:13] <spockstar> HrdwrBoB: is that the only guide?
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> spockstar: there is a lot of good information on ubuntulinux.org
[01:15] <randabis-laptop> more specifically, the wiki within the site
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:16] <spockstar> HrdwrBob: yes i have been looking there found some info,just wondered if there was other info
[01:16] <spockstar> thanks
[01:22] <scoon_> anyone here know if the firewire port on audigy cards is powered ?
[01:25] <norman> damn
[01:25] <norman> my resolution fucked up
[01:25] <norman> S:
[01:26] <norman> can anyone tell me how to change it? :P
[01:26] <norman> the resolution is to low to run the web
[01:27] <gt500> Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution
[01:27] <norman> ahh! great!
[01:27] <norman> thank you :D
[01:27] <gt500> ;)
[01:27] <gt500> np
[01:31] <Ephemeral> scoon_
[01:31] <Ephemeral> how many pins does it have?
[01:31] <Ephemeral> i think if its 6 then its powered, if its 4 it isnt
[01:31] <scoon_> Ephemeral, it is the larger one, 6 i think
[01:32] <Ephemeral> that will provide power then
[01:32] <scoon_> Ephemeral, the only fw dev that i have is a 2nd gen iPod.
[01:32] <Ephemeral> yeah
[01:32] <scoon_> Ephemeral, is there somewhere that has all this stuff.  the ieee1394 site did not and neither did creative's site.  tom's hardware didn't either.
[01:33] <Ephemeral> all what stuff?
[01:33] <scoon_> Ephemeral, about powered firewire, etc.
[01:33] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:33] <norman> damn
[01:34] <norman> my wine is fucked
[01:34] <scoon_> Ephemeral, the main reason that I am not certain is that i used to have a 3port fw card, and for power, i'd plug my ps into it.
[01:34] <thomasvs> anyone here who knows a little about "baz" ?
[01:34] <scoon_> Ephemeral, but the audigy does not do that.
[01:35] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:35] <lyy> i just installed ubuntu
[01:35] <lyy> i just installed ubuntu but it didn't detect my network card somehow. how do i go about fixing this?
[01:35] <Ephemeral> As far as I know, the Audigy and Sound-card Firewire ports do not supply power (they are 4 pin usually)
[01:35] <Ephemeral> http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-107450.html
[01:35] <Adrenal> anyone know any good rss feeds?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> go to that site
[01:36] <Ephemeral> BBC RSS?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> what are u looking for?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> news ? Tech?
[01:37] <Adrenal> anything really
[01:37] <Adrenal> guess i should try syndic8 then hey?
[01:37] <Adrenal> just discovered Fx live bookmarks
[01:37] <Ephemeral> http://news.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_world_edition/front_page/rss091.xml
[01:37] <Ephemeral> bbc RSS
[01:37] <Ephemeral> news
[01:37] <Adrenal> cheers
[01:37] <scoon_> Ephemeral, what is meant by 4pin or 6pin.
[01:38] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i thought it was the size of the connector.
[01:38] <Ephemeral> the physical connector...
[01:38] <Ephemeral> my Ipod uses 6pin .. i think its 1st or 2nd gen
[01:38] <Ephemeral> it doesnt have a cradle
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, neither does mine.  but my audity uses the 6pin connector.
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i have a creative audigy 2 zs
[01:39] <Ephemeral> scoon_ what OS u using?
[01:39] <Ephemeral> do u have Ubuntu and windows?
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, only linux.
[01:39] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:40] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i haven't used windows @ home in over 6 years.
[01:40] <Ephemeral> what happens if u plug it in ?
[01:40] <Ephemeral> if i can recieve power, i'd think it would weather it liked the OS or not
[01:41] <Ephemeral> data transmission might take a bit of setting up
[01:41] <scoon_> Ephemeral, no, it works just fine.  haven't had any problems w/ it.
[01:41] <scoon_> Ephemeral, it appears to be charging the iPod beacause the battery icon show that it does.
[01:42] <scoon_> Ephemeral, but i just wanted to see some docs on the subject
[01:42] <Ephemeral> ...hehe, so whats the problem?
[01:42] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:42] <Ephemeral> what software do u use in Ubuntu with the ipod?
[01:43] <scoon_> Ephemeral, gtkpod.
[01:43] <scoon_> Ephemeral, there is no problem, per say.
[01:45] <Ephemeral> i'll try gtkpod sometime
[01:45] <scoon_> in fact i have had firewire working great since 2.4 kernels
[01:45] <scoon_> its good.
[01:45] <scoon_> i like it
[01:45] <Ephemeral> dont even know if my firewire on my mobo is working inb ubuntu
[01:47] <norman> is there a way to turn of  that ""W***WA*" biping!?
[01:47] <norman> :S
[01:49] <norman> thank god!
[01:49] <norman> :S
[01:49] <norman> i thought i would have to live with it all my life :P
[01:49] <astaroth> hola a todos
[01:50] <wezzer> hola
[01:50] <astaroth> me podria ayudar alguien?
[01:50] <astaroth> acabo de instalar el ubuntu y no me sale el sonido
[01:53] <norman> is there an adresse to add to synaptic to download and isntall kde?
[01:53] <Riddell> norman: add the universe repository
[01:54] <astaroth> alguien habla espaol?
[01:55] <HappyFool> astaroth: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:56] <claudio__> hi
[01:57] <claudio__> i have problems with sound
[01:57] <claudio__> need help
[01:57] <neofeed> what problems have you got?
[01:58] <ToM-> Evening, I have a problem with Ubuntu's installation.
[01:58] <claudio__> i have two sound cards a realtek ac97 and a soundblaster pci 128, how i choose ??
 norman: add the universe repository
[01:59] <ToM-> claudio__: leave the other's drivers out? Or tell Alsa to use the soundblaster as primary
[01:59] <norman> ?
[01:59] <claudio__> the realtek is onboard i want to use the sb
[01:59] <Ephemeral> is Fluxbox in Universe?
[01:59] <chris_> claudio__: disable the realtek in the bios mate
[01:59] <chris_> that'd be the easiest way
[01:59] <neofeed> claudio__, if you don't use the onboard on anyway. why not disable it in the bios?
[01:59] <norman> what is universe repository? :S
[01:59] <ToM-> Ubuntus's installation doesn't seem to understand my sata-hardisk.
[02:00] <astaroth> I have only ac97
[02:00] <ToM-> s,hardisk,harddisk
[02:00] <claudio__> i disable it on the bios, detected anyway