[01:03] <Pretto> any help on how to make a DSL connection on networkmanager?
[01:05] <bsnider> Pretto, mgiht want to use the dsl tab
[01:06] <Pretto> bsnider, the problem is that i have to send a command to enable the radion in my modem, an AT command, and i cant see where i  can do that on NM
[01:06] <bsnider> yeah, who knows
[01:07] <bsnider> that's absurd
[01:08] <Pretto> i am having to use gnome-ppp to be  able to make a connection :D
[01:10] <bsnider> why do you have to go through a procedure like that?
[01:11] <Pretto> bsnider, if I don't make that procedure, I will not have a connection
[01:11] <keanu> I just replaced my broadcom wifi card in my dell inspiron 1525 laptop with an intel 4965agn card.  I'm noticing now that the "wifi is on" led has started flashing, as if it's a network activity led.  any way to get it to stay solid?
[01:11] <bsnider> maybe you should get a new modem?
[01:12] <Pretto> bsnider, hehehhe.. a new modem just because I can't use it on NM?
[01:12] <bsnider> no, because you have to input some kind of command to get it to work
[01:13] <Pretto> bsnider, but it is working good with gnome-ppp
[01:14] <bsnider> i wouldn't accept a modem in that shape
[01:15] <Pretto> bsnider, it's a good modem
[01:15] <Pretto> sony ericsson md300
[01:15] <bsnider> ok, nm
[01:15] <punkrockguy318> is nvidia-177 broken in the new kernel right now?
[01:16] <bsnider> not at all. it works great
[01:16] <punkrockguy318> =/
[01:17] <punkrockguy318> my x server crashed when i rebooted after the kernel upgrade and i went back to nv... the restircted drivers manager won't let me use the nvidia driver for some reason
[01:17] <bsnider> to hell with the restricted driver manager
[01:17] <bsnider> you don't need thatt hing
[01:17] <punkrockguy318> i know
[01:17] <punkrockguy318> but my config file is good and everything
[01:17] <bsnider> reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[01:17] <punkrockguy318> yeah i just did that i'm gonna try to restart x
[01:21] <punkrockguy318> i had to reinstall nvidia-glx-177-kernel-source that was the key one to reinstall
[01:22] <bsnider> well, obla-di obla-da
[01:22] <punkrockguy318> yup no worries now
[01:22] <punkrockguy318> the new module building system is really nice
[01:22] <bsnider> dkms
[01:22] <punkrockguy318> indeed
[02:07] <CarlFK> .27.4 broke nvidia - guessing we have to wait for a new binary?
[02:29] <bsnider> CarlFK, no it didn't
[02:44] <remu> hey guys, does anyone in here use an hp dv4t, or dv5t, or a dv7t?
[02:44] <Ahmuck> hi.  i'm trying out intrepid (kubuntu) and yakuake, but cannot find anywhere how to change the keyboard shortcut so that it'll drop down with F6 rather than F12
[02:45] <Ahmuck> i've noticed "profiles" for the window, where before it was "global shortcuts"
[02:50] <milos_> how to change graphic driver from console if i can't login to gui? what is the best way? Editing xorg.conf?
[02:51] <danbh_intrepid> milos_: AFAIK, you can still put commands into xorg.conf, but its a bug if it doesnt work.  You should always be able to login via gui at this point... So maybe you should file a bug?
[02:52] <Ahmuck> milos_: use the grub boot menu and boot to safe graphics mode and change
[02:54] <alksjdaf> at home, intrepid daily (with all updates installed) worked great with both wired & wireless internet (wpa didnt work but 128bit wep hex key worked fine).  now when i boot up the machines.... wired internet doesnt work, and no wireless networks are detected.... what should i do?
[02:54] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: is this after the latest kernel update?
[02:54] <alksjdaf> when i boot up machines at work i mean
[02:55] <alksjdaf> danbh_intrepid, i last ran updates on friday the 19th
[02:55] <danbh_intrepid> heh, its been broken since then?
[02:56] <milos_> danbh_intrepid, Ahmuck: I had a problem when i was upgrading one pc from hardy to intrepid. It downloaded and installed everything except ati driver(it wasn't on my mirror) so i was in shell and i couldn't edit xorg.conf so easy because it was almost empty.
[02:56] <alksjdaf> danbh_intrepid, i dont think so;  they worked fine @ home
[02:57] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: well, just so you know, I have no idea.  I was just curious if this was stemming from the latest kernel update
[02:57] <alksjdaf> i think i should just not install any updates until its finally released
[02:57] <alksjdaf> i had to go with this version to suport my hardware
[02:58] <milos_> because of this, I thought if there is some wizard to ask my to choose vesa and then after fixing it to go back to ati.
[02:59] <bsnider> milos_, the trouble is none of the ati drivers work very well with the new xorg yet
[02:59] <bsnider> you'd be lucky if you got  abasic gui out of it
[02:59] <milos_> yes, the problem was with mirror like I said
[03:00] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: well, I'm in a similar position
[03:00] <alksjdaf> danbh_intrepid, same strategy?  no upgrades?
[03:00] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: strange enough, this release is supposed to support my wifi card, but it is quite bad at it atm.  I have to use wicd
[03:01] <bsnider> milos_, once you have the ati driver installed xorg will choose it automatically as the best option. you won't need to edit anything
[03:01] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: nah, Im upgrading asap.  Hehe, Im hoping that release that special fix.  But for me, and my situation, the -2 kernel works fine for me.  So, if an upgrade goes awry on networking, I can just boot into the -2 kernel.
[03:01] <alksjdaf> danbh_intrepid, wicd?  i have a rtl-8185l chipset
[03:02] <alksjdaf> danbh_intrepid, are all old kernels maintained in the boot.lst or thwaver
[03:02] <alksjdaf> whatever
[03:02] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: wicd is a network-manager replacement.  Its not in the repos though, but there is a deb, and it seems to be ubuntu oriented
[03:02] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: for me, yes
[03:03] <milos_> bsnider, yes but I didn't know that ati driver wasn't installed. I found out accidentally.
[03:03] <bsnider> alright well just install it and you'll be fine
[03:28] <taggie> okay folks, when I boot from an alpha6 cd, i have no video issues whatsoever. but my hardy->ibex-current upgraded system has glx problems and doesn't run 3d properly. i have basically a blank xorg.conf, same as when booting from cd.
[03:28] <taggie> anybody know how i completely reset my xorg install to work like the boot cd?
[03:31] <danbh_intrepid> alksjdaf: well, I just upgraded, and that was a lesson in phail.  I think Im going with your method.  Wait till at least the beta
[03:33] <alksjdaf> what happened after u upgraded
[03:35] <danbh_intrepid> x failed to load
[03:36] <danbh_intrepid> I think the same problem you had.  But Im using nvidia drivers...
[03:57] <alksjdaf> anything worked for wireless/wired stuff?
[03:59] <danbh_intrepid> I dunno. I just dropped back to the previous kernel.  I'm kinda sick of alpha testing atm.
[04:49] <tj83> anyone have any feedback on the rtl8187b wifi chipset in 8.10? it works to a degree for me.. slow speeds, dropped connections, and very short range.
[05:12] <TuTUXG> hey
[05:14] <danbh_intrepid> hi
[05:14] <TuTUXG> y so quiet
[05:15] <danbh_intrepid> its late?
[05:15] <TuTUXG> hm...
[05:16] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[05:16] <TuTUXG> with the new 27-4 kernel, my xserver freezes
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> I and alksjdaf are experiencing similar issues
[05:18] <TuTUXG> how do u guys fix it?
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> -3
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> wait for beta
[05:18] <DanaG> Grr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/261318
[05:19] <TuTUXG_> damn..
[05:20] <danbh_intrepid> DanaG: have you ever tried gnome-do?  The question is offtopic, but it might reduce your need for hotkeys
[05:20] <DanaG> Eeh, not the same -- can't do rfkill that way, and can't do the brightness thingy as well that way.
[05:21] <danbh_intrepid> mmmm, yeah, thats a show stopper
[05:21] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: which X driver?
[05:22] <TuTUXG_> danbh_intrepid: sorry, disconnected
[05:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504
[05:22] <TuTUXG_> crimsun. nvidia 177
[05:22] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: 177.76?  seems to work okay here.
[05:22] <crimsun> granted 177.76 /is/ beta
[05:22] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: which card?
[05:23] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: i tried nv driver, didn't work either
[05:23] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: GeForce 7150M (rev a2)
[05:24] <TuTUXG_> and even 27-3 stop working with the nvidia driver
[05:24] <TuTUXG_> mine is qudra fx 570m on thinkpad t61p
[05:25] <TuTUXG_> quadro
[05:26] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: do either 71 or 96 work more reliably?
[05:26] <TuTUXG_> maybe, didn't try
[05:27] <TuTUXG_> is there a way to build the driver from the binary but not using intrepid's pkg?
[05:28] <TuTUXG_> used to do that with hardy and always works
[05:28] <crimsun> eh?  I simply use dkms + nvidia-$version-kernel-source
[05:28] <crd1b> aren't 71 and 96 still broken?
[05:29] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: what that do?
[05:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/267682 -- another report about acpi_fakekey.
[05:29] <crimsun> crd1b: I never used either; I went directly to 177
[05:29] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: dkms does the "build magic"
[05:30] <crd1b> with the last update on 96 in August, I'd say it's not fixed
[05:30] <crd1b> the older nvidia drivers haven't been updated for X server 1.5 (just like fglrx)
[05:31] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: so u dont need to install the nvidia-glx-* pkgs?
[05:31] <DanaG> stupid nv 2D driver... inverts red channel and inverts green channel (of xv)... and won't resume from suspend.
[05:33] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: nvm, reinstalling...
[05:35] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: yes, you do
[05:35] <crimsun> well, at least you can use nv.  I can't.
[05:36] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: not anymore, i broke xsere
[05:36] <crimsun> why did you break xsere?
[05:37] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: i broke xserver when try to uninstall nvidia pkgs
[05:37] <TuTUXG_> long story
[05:38] <DanaG> PulseAudio 0.9.12 seems like some steps forward and some steps back... channel remixing takes more CPU when active than it used to, but no longer eats 100% CPU for paused streams.
[05:39] <DanaG> I also seem to get lots of dropouts on this computer, when using my cardbus Audigy2.
[05:39] <DanaG> Perhaps the cardbus controller just sucks.
[05:40] <crimsun> are you using the default resampler?  if so, try speex-float-0 or speex-float-1
[05:41] <crimsun> and the glitch-free isn't perfect by any stretch even by Lennart's own admittance
[05:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, this system (an older spare laptop) also can't do hpet.  When I force-enable hpet, I get less dropouts... but instead hard-locks.
[05:41] <DanaG> s/less/fewer/
[05:41] <DanaG> resample-method = speex-float-0
[05:41] <DanaG> disable-lfe-remixing = yes
[05:42] <DanaG> I also have default-sample-channels set to 6 so it'll use surround channels on my Audigy2.  I'll test whether changing that back to two channels fixes dropouts on the Audigy2.
[05:43] <DanaG> Oh, definitely fewer dropouts.
[05:43] <DanaG> There still are a few dropouts, though.
[05:43] <DanaG> I'll also test a USB headset thingy, and the onboard (48KHz-only :(  ) sound card.
[05:44] <DanaG> Odd... yanking the sound card seems to have killed PulseAudio.
[05:44] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: do i need to do that dkms thing every time kernal update?
[05:45]  * DanaG curses Toshiba for this keyboard layout.  Bottom row: Ctrl.  Fn.  Alt.  Tilde.  Space.  Ins.  Del.  Alt.
[05:46] <DanaG> Is it possible to build toshiba_acpi out-of-tree?
[05:47] <crimsun> yes
[05:47] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: for every abi bump, yes
[05:47] <DanaG> The tlsup driver doesn't report itself as supporting the 'kbd' handler, so Xorg can't use it.
[05:48] <TuTUXG_> crimsun: what's abi bump? like 27-3 to 27-4?
[05:49] <DanaG> Even with 2 channels and same sample rate as source, the Audigy2 drops out more than the onboard that is NOT same sample rate.
[05:50] <crimsun> TuTUXG_: yes
[05:53] <DanaG> Hmm, lots of "requesting to rewind" going on due to underruns.
[05:54] <moshe> is gvfs still a problem causing crashes at this time? I tried intrepid and was unable to keep the system stable because of constant gvfs errors
[05:54] <DanaG> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Limited to 1764 bytes.
[05:54] <DanaG> D: module-alsa-sink.c: before: 441
[05:54] <DanaG> D: module-alsa-sink.c: after: 441
[05:54] <DanaG> hmm...... what do 'before' and 'after' indicate?  Should they be the same?
[05:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/268891
[05:57] <judgen> How come changing the modelines in the xorg does not work anymore?
[05:57] <judgen> im locked at 800x600 now...
[05:58] <judgen> in hardy i was able to use 1920x1650
[05:58] <DanaG> 1920x1650?  What kind of oddball resolution is that?  I'd assume that's a typo...
[06:00] <DanaG> Odd.. QuodLibet itself is using 13% CPU.
[06:00] <judgen> DanaG:  1920x1050
[06:01] <DanaG> 1080 is the 16:9, 1200 is the 16:10.
[06:01] <judgen> 16:9
[06:01] <judgen> does not matter..... my xorg.conf does not work with intrepid...
[06:01] <judgen> ive been using the same conf for a long time =)
[06:02] <judgen> Wich i find odd..
[06:02] <DanaG> I: protocol-native.c: Requested tlength=199.55 ms, minreq=9.98 ms
[06:02] <DanaG> D: protocol-native.c: Traditional mode enabled, modifying sink usec only for compat with minreq.
[06:05] <judgen> http://pastebin.com/f5acb4a96
[06:06] <judgen> If you see anything that does not fit with intrepid or so let me know...
[06:07] <DanaG> crimsun: some confusing output in the pulseaudio -vv:
[06:07] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f34ef8e7c
[06:08] <DanaG> That's just when it starts.... now, can you tell, did it get high-priority, or not?
[06:08] <DanaG> It seems to contradict itself.
[06:09] <crimsun> yes, it did
[06:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, let me fix my question:
[06:09] <DanaG> I meant realtime, not priority.
[06:10] <crimsun> it should have, but you can verify that by inspecting the process.
[06:18] <redvamp128> I figured this would be the better place to ask this question- What PCI not PCI Express Video Card would you recommend for Ubuntu 8.04. Right now I am on Intel Onboard I believe it is 810 series. ?? Any recomendations? Ati or NVidia?
[06:19] <redvamp128> And would ask this here so that -- With newer release 8.10 one that would be more compatible with it.
[06:20] <DanaG> Oh, inspect it with schedtool.
[06:21] <DanaG> Aah.  or perhaps even ps can do it, but I don't remember / know how.
[06:21]  * DanaG wonders if the following character is legal in a hostname: ²
[06:21] <DanaG> That's a 'squared'.
[06:23] <DanaG> PID 28422: PRIO   0, POLICY N: SCHED_NORMAL  , NICE -11
[06:25] <DanaG> So, it's not getting realtime.
[06:38] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271367 - Any Solutions?
[06:42] <DanaG> Oh wow, I just found something hilarious... try playing a 6-channel stream (with default-sample-channels set to 6) on a 2-channel device, and have pavucontrol open.
[06:42] <DanaG> It'll take snippets of audio and repeat them, while lagging the keyboard and mouse quite severely, too.
[06:42] <DanaG> =þ
[07:18]  * DanaG wonders if a thin-client would be workable as a PulseAudio server.
[07:25] <JDahl> does anyone know the status of openchange/openmapi in Intrepid?  Is it possible to connect to Exchange 2003 servers from Evolution yet?
[07:39] <vega_> do old kernels get automatically removed nowadays?
[07:43] <paul928> vega_: when I upgraded fromfrom 8.04 to 8.10, yes
[07:43] <paul928> the old kernels were auto-removed
[07:44] <vega_> i mean now when in intrepid
[07:44] <RAOF> vega_: I believe that is the case, yes
[07:44] <vega_> i now have: linux-image-2.6.27-2-generic linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic
[07:44] <vega_> how many does it keep?
[07:45] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe it _doesn't_ yet auto remove? :)
[07:45] <darthanubis> as many as you let it?
[07:49] <arooni> so everything on intrepid daily is working now..... i think its a good move to NOT update ANYTHING until intrepid is released.  that's my plan anyway as i needed intrepid for hardware support, but we use it at work and i need to ensure we have 99.99% uptime & stability (dev boxes)
[07:49] <arooni> make sese?
[07:49] <arooni> sound reasonable ?  ;p
[07:50] <arooni> intrepid is still in alpha isnt it?
[07:53] <arooni> do ubuntu intrepid devs know about problem with saving wep 128bit keys (it asks every time on login) and that wpa doesnt work at all?  RTL-8185L chipset
[07:57] <elmargol> Is wireless working for you on kubuntu intrepid?
[08:16] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271367 - Any Solutions?
[08:45] <persia> I'm having trouble getting my bluetooth keyboard working under intrepid.  I've followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227057 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup as possible guides, but neither seems to work.
[08:45] <persia> I can get hcitool to show the connection, but actual input fails.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might need doing?  Is this a side effect of Xinput2 hotplug?
[08:47] <RAOF> Hm.  I _used_ to go to System->Preferences->Bluetooth and select the 'mouse' service (and I believe that there was a keyboard service too), but that doesn't appear to be there.
[08:48] <RAOF> I've never touched hcitool or any of that commandline stuff, and the bluetooth mouse worked last time I used it (which was some time ago, admittedly).
[08:48] <persia> Indeed.  There's a bug about that, but the suggested fix requires an FFe.  I was hoping to get it working before I applied the fix, and then verify that it fixed it.
[08:48] <persia> I guess I'll try the upgrade, and see if that helps.
[08:49] <persia> There is an "input service", which might be a merged "mouse" and "keyboard".
[08:49] <persia> And my keyboard shows as connected to the input service: it's just that pressing keys on my keyboard doesn't actually translate to keysyms.
[08:53]  * persia fiddles with conffiles harder, and reboots several times
[09:01] <dbglt> hi
[09:01] <darthanubis> dbus-daemon is tunning. why?
[09:01] <dbglt> my system is zorked
[09:02] <dbglt> When I try to run dpkg --configure -a, I get\dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0200' near line 1: newline in field name `#padding'
[09:07] <Reed_Solomon> he can tunne! stop him mr book
[10:10] <literal> gah, 164 updates all of a sudden
[10:10] <literal> ah, gnome 2.24 released
[10:19] <yao_ziyuan> show desktop: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/intrepid-kde4.png?gda=kO8B70MAAAC5ARj7-9s3lvdQqjFlZh8Oo_BlTYlptYV52W7DTpxUfRxbjvvlhCL2FUQjjqjwipQytiJ-HdGYYcPi_09pl8N7FWLveOaWjzbYnpnkpmxcWg&gsc=Bhj7NAsAAACb85H5ey_CTuv6l4GmAlUs
[10:30] <mifritscher> hi
[10:31] <mifritscher> where is the standby button now?
[10:31] <mifritscher> I have only hibernation, restart and shut down
[10:31] <mifritscher> btw, only restart works
[10:31] <mifritscher> hibernation does try to go, but cancels
[10:32] <mifritscher> sht down does nothing
[10:32] <mifritscher> what can I do?
[10:33] <mifritscher> its a x61 thinkpad
[10:41] <mifritscher-> re
[10:41] <mifritscher-> echo disk >/sys/power/state works
[10:42] <mifritscher-> besides of the x-server crash during waking up
[10:46] <mifritscher-> so, what can I do?
[11:01] <zafle> anyone  have  huge issues with  tonights big update?
[11:07] <zafle> hey all
[11:16] <mvo> zafle: what issues in particular?
[11:26] <Turms> ubottu: bug 272896
[12:21] <tj83> anyone have any feedback on the rtl8187b wifi chipset in 8.10? it works to a degree for me.. slow speeds, dropped connections, and very short range.
[12:21] <rski> that's the ralink chip?
[12:22] <tj83> realtek rski
[12:22] <rski> then i have no idea
[12:22] <tj83> thanks anyways
[12:22] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271367 - Any Solutions?
[12:34] <dbglt> hi. Just did an upgrade, and my nvidia driver has gone missing
[12:34] <dbglt> I tried: sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start
[12:34] <dbglt> but I still can't find an nvidia model
[12:34] <dbglt> *module
[12:36] <kn1ttl> hello. how can i find out if a given module is used? lsmod|grep?
[12:37] <dbglt> kn1ttl: yes
[12:37] <Pici> yes
[12:37] <kn1ttl> ok, very good. i was just looking if e1000e was loaded
[12:46] <dbglt_> updated with a dist-upgrade, now my system can't find the nvidia module
[12:46] <dbglt_> any ideas? :\
[12:52] <ikonia> dbglt_: is the nvidia module on your system ?
[12:52] <ikonia> dbglt_: how did you install the nvidia drivers ?
[12:53] <ikonia> dbglt_: is there a nvidia package available ?
[12:56] <GoddamnDevil> dbglt: old nvidia-glx packages dont carry over upgrade
[12:57] <GoddamnDevil> have to install manually again... use the hardware-drivers
[13:01] <kn1ttl> why did they drop nvidia-glx?
[13:04] <mickep> an aptitude search nvidia gives me a lot of hits for nvidia-glx*
[13:04] <zafle> todays upgrade  busted my nvidia  aswell. several restarts and pushing buttons  got it back
[13:04] <zafle> lame
[13:06] <GoddamnDevil> mickep: meant to say, those *new *legacy are dropped from the end, rplaced by actual driver versions
[14:13] <Varka> hello, does intrepid have full support for montevino centrino 2 chipsets?
[14:18] <DanaG> grr, stupid nvidia.... gets a permanently blank screen on resume from suspend.
[14:18] <DanaG> Permanently, as in, can't just restart X to fix it; I have to actually reboot.
[14:41] <Varka> hello, does intrepid have full support for montevino centrino 2 chipsets?
[14:47] <Omar87> IS Intrepid Ibex going to include OOo 3.0??
[14:48] <Omar87> Is*
[14:49] <Varka> Omar87, dont think so http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/intrepid/openoffice.org-base
[14:51] <Omar87> Sorry, I don't understand the language.. -_-
[14:52] <Pici> !info openoffice.org-base
[14:52] <kn1ttl> if lsmod|grep e1000e doesn't print a line, then i'm lucky and don't have this driver loaded, ain't i?
[14:52] <kn1ttl> i really don't want to trash my network card, it's brand new
[14:56] <nspyr> everyone running intrepid ok?
[14:57] <IdleOne> nspyr: running ok here besides a glxinfo error ( known bug )
[14:57] <IdleOne> and gnome-do does not seem to want to start nautilus
[14:58] <khamer> Anyone know how to use the Network-Manager Routes panel?
[14:58] <nspyr> ok i may as well help bugtest at least
[14:59] <khamer> I guess address/prefix/gateway/metric confuses me, I expected address/mask/gateway/device or similiar
[14:59] <nspyr> whats the command to upgrade?
[15:01] <nspyr> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[15:11] <rconan> anyone using synergy with intrepid?
[15:11] <GoddamnDevil> nspyr: update-manager -d
[15:11] <nspyr> ok thanks
[15:13] <nspyr> will the upgrade give me any prompts or can i leave?
[15:14] <wst> synergy is broken in intrepid
[15:14] <GoddamnDevil> there will be atleast 1, but the upgrade should be over in few hours.. depending on the hardware
[15:14] <nspyr> yes i got the "do you want to start upgrade? " window
[15:14] <GoddamnDevil> nspyr: thats not the only one..
[15:15] <wst> rconan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synergy/+bug/250869
[15:15] <GoddamnDevil> nspyr: when upgareding packages, depending whats been installed, there will be propts
[15:15] <nspyr> yes i see
[15:16] <rconan> wst, thanks
[15:16] <GoddamnDevil> on my main machine, intel pentium M 1.8GHz it took an hour
[15:30] <frank23> is it just me or is intrepid in virtualbox really slower than gutsy and hardy?
[15:35] <burner> vbox 2.02?
[15:35] <burner> it's fast fast fast here
[15:35] <burner> even with compiz on
[15:41] <frank23> yeah 2.02
[15:41] <frank23> actually I didn't put in the guest additions yet. maybe its just that
[16:01] <rconan> am i being somehow stupid? I have /usr/include/X11/XTest.h but when the synergy configure script looks for it it can't find it
[16:01] <ikonia> rconan: depends where and how it's looking
[16:02] <rconan> it says checking for X11/extensions/Xtest.h... no (typo in above message, should have included the /extensions/)
[16:03] <ikonia> rconan: check the script to see how it's testing
[16:04] <ikonia> normally an if test statment
[16:05] <rconan> this bit I think: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49706/
[16:06] <rconan> that about the normal way?
[16:16] <milos_> is there a way to delete emails from Trash in Evolution. I have at least million emails and Evolution is starting to run slooooow
[16:24] <ratpoison> hello! It has come to my attention the fglrx binaries are not compatible with current kernel. Do we have any idea if this will be true on the final release too?
[16:25] <eeejay> ratpoison: who told you this lie?
[16:26] <ratpoison> I've read it somewhere in teh interweb, that 2.6.27 and fglrx don't mix well
[16:27] <ratpoison> it's right there on phoronix forums
[16:27] <rconan> ikonia, there seems to be something fairly wrong here... downloading with apt-get source and running debuild on it gives the same error
[16:27] <ikonia> rconan: why are you asking me ?
[16:28] <ikonia> ooh the X11 stuff
[16:28] <rconan> ikonia, yes
[16:28] <ratpoison> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/266956
[16:28] <ratpoison> oh, nice new feature
[16:28] <ratpoison> "Fix released"
[16:29] <ratpoison> it doesn't say that on launchpad
[16:42] <fluteflute> getting "Could not get/set settings from/on resource." when attempting to use rhythmbox or totem -> anyone able to help?
[17:03] <davismj> hi
[17:03] <davismj> i find most of the avant applets to be broken
[17:08] <davismj> hiya
[17:10] <schmidtm> the recent pulseaudio-update broke skype (ALSA lib ../../src/conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so)
[17:10] <davismj> really?
[17:10] <davismj> all of skype?
[17:10] <schmidtm> skype core-dumps
[17:11] <davismj> i can't help you, but that sucks, cause i use the heck out of skype
[17:11] <void^> use oss skype
[17:12] <davismj> that doesn't work on amd64 does it?
[17:12] <void^> i just used it to get around that issue, seems to work fine
[17:12] <void^> skype-static-oss in medibuntu
[17:13] <davismj> AH
[17:13] <davismj> ah*
[17:13] <davismj> i'll keep that in mind
[17:13] <schmidtm> ok thx
[17:31] <pibe86> hello, how many beta's will there be before stable relase?
[17:31] <ikonia> until it's stable I believe
[17:31] <rpg> hey guys Ubuntu sucks!!!
[17:32] <oobe> thats funny tell us another one
[17:32] <bazhang> rpg, please stop
[17:32] <bazhang> oops
[17:32] <ikonia> enough of that in #ubutnu
[17:33] <pibe86> ikonia, i mean, ¿can ubuntu 8.10 have 6 betas and ubuntu 9.04 9 betas?
[17:33] <rpg> can anyone please tell me where can I get the new intrepid theme for GNOME ?
[17:33] <ikonia> pibe86 sure
[17:33] <ikonia> rpg are you going to behave ?
[17:33] <rpg> yea eya... ;)
[17:33] <pibe86> ikonia, is there a standars for beta's relase?
[17:33] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[17:34] <ikonia> pibe86: I believe it's just until it works
[17:34] <ikonia> as few as possible, but if it breaks a new one is made
[17:34] <ikonia> I've seen varying numbers across the releases
[17:34] <ikonia> if your remember for 7.10 I think there was a last minute one
[17:34] <rpg> so ikonia do you know where can I get the new intrepid theme for GNOME ?
[17:34] <pibe86> kikc rpg "hey guys Ubuntu sucks!!!"
[17:34] <ikonia> pibe86: what ?
[17:34] <ikonia> rpg: install intrepid
[17:35] <pibe86> ikonia, thanks see you later
[17:35] <rpg> damn it... that doesnt make me laugh...  I think I may move my main machine to Ibex
[17:36] <nemo> how's stability doing?
[17:36] <ikonia> sent a message to rpedrop
[17:36] <ikonia> rpedro even
[17:36] <nemo> oh. and is Ibex using Eclipse 3.4 finally?
[17:41] <ikonia> nemo: that part I have no idea about, it's stability has gone up and down though as development has progressed
[17:42] <jandem> t
[17:42] <jandem> sorry, typo
[17:47] <aswin> does anyone knows how to upgrade kubuntu to latest alpha version
[17:48] <ikonia> aswin: dist-upgrade
[17:48] <ikonia> it will just keep in sync with the repo's
[17:48] <jason__> i am trying to install ibex on a new system with hardware raid5 (maybe it is fakeRaid)  but when i get to partitioning it doesn't see any disks, is there anything i can do?
[17:49] <ikonia> jason__: fakeraid is a weak technology
[17:49] <ikonia> jason__: sounds like it can't see the raid stripe so can't see the disks
[17:49] <jason__> ikonia: is there a way to know?  it is built into the motherboard
[17:49] <ikonia> jason__: if it's built in - it's fakeraid
[17:50] <jason__> ikonia:  how deceptive the advertising is than
[17:50] <ikonia> jason__ what advertising?
[17:51] <jason__> it is advertised as having hardware raid support... it obviously isn't
[17:51] <ikonia> jason__: well, that is hardware raid to an extent,
[17:52] <ikonia> take it up with the manufacturere - traiding standards, make sure you read the docs though as most of the boards will say "supportws windows"
[17:52] <ikonia> in which case you can't moan as your not using windows
[17:52] <jason__> ikonia:  point taken...
[17:53] <aswin> does anyone knows how to upgrade kubuntu to latest alpha version
[17:53] <ikonia> aswin: I responded to you earlier
[17:53] <aswin> i'm having 8.04 and i need to upgrade to 8.10
[17:54] <aswin> alpha 6
[17:54] <ikonia> !upgrade
[17:54] <ikonia> !beta
[17:55] <aswin> i didnt install alpha
[17:56] <danbh_intrepid> aswin: and thats probably just as well, why do you need 8.10?
[17:56] <zniavre> !samba bug
[17:56] <aswin> well i need to see how it works
[17:57] <ikonia> need ?
[17:57] <aswin> personal
[17:57] <aswin> nothing special
[17:57] <danbh_intrepid> aswin: well, the release date is only a month away
[17:57] <aswin> just for my personal use
[17:58] <aswin> i just dont want to wait till the release date
[17:58] <ikonia> aswin: I strongly advise you to do so
[17:58] <aswin> hmmm
[17:58] <ikonia> aswin:  you will most likley need to re-install anyway and as you can't figure out how to upgrade wihtout help you may struggle to keep it up to date/usable
[17:58] <danbh_intrepid> aswin: here is some info you should read too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
[17:58] <ikonia> keep in mind it may break randomly
[17:59] <Hamra> anyone here had any success installing virtualbox-ose in intrepid? aptitude is giving a 404 not found
[17:59] <ikonia> Hamra: that a http error
[18:00] <ikonia> probably down at the source end
[18:00] <Hamra> i know
[18:00] <Hamra> maybe i should check the packages website and see if the file actually is there
[18:00] <nemo> Dammit.
[18:00] <nemo> Still Eclipse 3.2.2 :(
[18:00] <ikonia> Hamra: good call
[18:01] <nemo> I guess I'll have to search for 3.3 or 3.4 in repo
[18:05] <sysdoc> I just installed Intrepid and on the 1 st boot my keyboard and mouse are not working. HP 7168cl laptop... Any ideas?
[18:06] <ikonia> reboot
[18:06] <sysdoc> lol, been there
[18:07] <ikonia> ok - so whats teh relevence of "1st boot"
[18:07] <Hamra> aptitude is trying to down the file virtualbox-ose_2.0.2-dfsg-0ubuntu1_i386.deb but the archives contain virtualbox-ose_2.0.2-dfsg-0ubuntu3_i386.deb :S
[18:07] <sysdoc> 1 boot after the install, and subsequent boot attempts
[18:07] <ikonia> Hamra apt-update
[18:07] <ikonia> sysdoc ok so the question is "my keyboard doesn't work under intrepid"
[18:07] <Hamra> i do it daily
[18:07] <ikonia> the ammount of boots doesn't matter
[18:08] <sysdoc> correct
[18:08] <Hamra> i did it 10 minutes ago, actually
[18:08] <ikonia> sysdoc: try a usb keyboard
[18:08] <sysdoc> I tried to run dpkg and it tried to connect to us.archive.ubuntu and the connection failed
[18:09] <Hamra> and no errors are being reported by the update process
[18:09] <ikonia> sysdoc: how are you running dpkg without a keyuboard
[18:09] <sysdoc> recover broken install
[18:09] <Hamra> can anyone just try apt-get install virtualbox-ose? and see if the download starts?
[18:09] <sysdoc> from the CD
[18:09] <ikonia> sysdoc: so your running off the livecd - not your install
[18:10] <Bauldrick> Hamra: yes it does
[18:10] <sysdoc> Alternative CD, to try and fix the install, correct
[18:10] <Hamra> thnx
[18:10] <ikonia> sysdoc: so why are you doing "dpkg"
[18:11] <ikonia> sysdoc: was the install a failure ?
[18:11] <Hamra> i'll see what other probs might be happening
[18:11] <ikonia> sysdoc: was there any problems ?
[18:11] <ikonia> Hamra: are you using a mirror thats round robin ?
[18:11] <sysdoc> Did not appear to fail at all, booted right up to the login screen with no keyboard
[18:11] <ikonia> sysdoc: so why do you think it's broken, or there is anything to "repair"
[18:12] <ikonia> sysdoc: what are you planning to repair if you have no reason to believe it's broekn
[18:12] <sysdoc> I thought it was broken because there is no mouse or keyboard, logical assumption I would assume
[18:12] <ikonia> why would that be logical
[18:13] <ikonia> you got nothing to suggest a broken install
[18:13] <ikonia> so you have no idea what to fix
[18:13] <sysdoc> Because it doesn't work?? lol
[18:13] <ikonia> not supported / not configured / conflict /
[18:13] <ikonia> there are tons of debugging you can do to get more information
[18:13] <fluteflute> getting "Could not get/set settings from/on resource." when attempting to use rhythmbox or totem -> anyone able to help?
[18:13] <ikonia> whats the point of using a beta software if you can't deal with basic debugging
[18:14] <Hamra> i'm using the main server
[18:14] <ikonia> Hamra: ahhh that is round robin, I wonder if one of the repo's hasn't updated the mirror
[18:14]  * DanaG uses mirrors.kernel.org and archive.ubuntu.com
[18:15] <sysdoc> ikonia, appearently you not interested in helping out, so just drop it
[18:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there's also an eu.mirrors.kernel.org for people in Europe and thereabouts.
[18:15] <ikonia> sysdoc: I am - but this is beta software and you've got no idea how to debug it at a basic level
[18:16] <ikonia> sysdoc: eg: your trying to update from the internet - but have you setup the network to connect to the internet yet ?
[18:18] <Hamra> i changed it to uk server, i'll see if it will work, doing aptitude update
[18:19] <ikonia> Hamra: long shot but worth trying
[18:21] <Bauldrick> Hamra: gb.archive.ubuntu.com  what I have
[18:21] <Hamra> that is what aptitude is using now
[18:22] <Hamra> after changing the server that is
[18:23] <DanaG> kernel.org tends to be very high-bandwidth, though sometimes it has high initial connection latency.
[18:23] <ikonia> Hamra: any joy ?
[18:23] <ikonia> DanaG: ????
[18:24] <Hamra> still updating, not the fastest connection :P
[18:24] <ikonia> ah
[18:24] <ikonia> genuinly curious
[18:31] <Hamra> something was not right. update hasn't finished yet, but update notifier is already in the satus bar saying there is TONS of packages to be updates
[18:32] <DanaG> Perhaps the mirror is in the middle of a sync?
[18:32] <DanaG> It does help to have multiple mirrors, sometimes.
[18:33] <ikonia> Hamra thats fine
[18:33] <ikonia> Hamra: it should start to list them as they come through
[18:33] <ikonia> more so on a slow mirror
[18:33] <ikonia> I've seen that a few times
[18:34] <Hamra> updated*
[18:35] <Hamra> i have no idea what aptitude was using when it was set to use the main server. i was getting almost daily updates, but seeing the number of packages when opening update notifier in read-only mode is scary!
[18:37] <Hamra> openoffice, main kde packages, tons of libs, python, and i was wondering why i haven't seen the new jockey-kde, now i can have it as well
[18:45] <Hamra> holy crap! 150 MiB of updates!
[18:45] <Pici> Thats not that bad
[18:45] <rconan> Pici, that depends on your connection
[18:45] <Hamra> and virtualbox installs fine :D
[18:46] <rconan> i get a max of 60kB/s down my line
[18:46] <Hamra> rconan, exactly
[18:46] <Pici> rconan: I mean, thats not that many.  I was away for a weekend and had that many when I came back
[18:46] <Hamra> 128 kbps here
[18:46] <rconan> ouch that's slow
[18:47] <rconan> have you considered "borrowing" nearby wireless? </joke>
[18:47] <nemo> Why is it, all the apps I care about, are consistently not upgraded in ubuntu? :(
[18:47] <Hamra> byez, once the download starts, lags will kill konversation :P
[18:47] <nemo> With rest of world on Eclipse 3.4 - why on earth is Ibex "alpha" still on 3.2?
[18:47] <nemo> then there's wine, where if your average user decides to try playing, oh, Spore, it won't work since that requires Wine 1.1.5 not 1.0
[18:48] <rconan> nemo, there is a perfectly good wine repository... its development is too fast to include the latest version in ubuntu
[18:48] <nemo> by contrast, things I don't care about, like compiz or latest gnome, they have no problem slapping in with hardly any testing, barely out of beta
[18:48] <nemo> or Firefox, which went into hardy final while still in beta
[18:48] <rconan> nemo, i'm with you on eclipse but from what i hear they changed the build system making it fairly difficult
[18:48] <Lynoure> nemo: Best to get involved in the next release early, then :)
[18:49] <Lynoure> nemo: that way you can help with packaging Eclipse
[18:49] <nemo> Lynoure: well. I'm not exactly a fan of the eclipse packaging either
[18:49] <rconan> nemo, eclipse being a java app you could easily install the version from the eclipse website and be right up to date
[18:49] <nemo> for some stupid reason the 3.2.2 package continually puts JVMs that eclipse doesn't actually function with at top of list in config in /etc/eclipse
[18:49] <nemo> rconan: yeah. that's what I'm resorting to. I'm just sad 'cause I kinda wish the distro could handle this
[18:50] <Lynoure> nemo: Then even more so... Sounds like you would have the skills to help, to help
[18:50] <cbr_> hello, i think i'm experiencing graphics problems in intrepid
[18:50] <Lynoure> s/, to/, so/
[18:50] <cbr_> the picture of virtual machines tends to freeze
[18:50] <cbr_> so does adobe flash
[18:51] <nemo> Lynoure: well. I 'spose. I've done packaging for Gentoo and Redhat (both of which have no trouble staying up to date on Eclipse btw)
[18:51] <cbr_> and kde4's desktop has random memory scattered over it sometimes
[18:51] <nemo> Lynoure: just a question of time commitment - don't want to commit to something then leave people hanging
[18:51] <rconan> nemo, gentoo was fairly behind a while back
[18:51] <nemo> rconan: well. they have the 3.4 package available as ~ARCH
[18:51] <rconan> they just solved their problems with the build system in the last couple of years
[18:51] <nemo> rconan: and at least they didn't screw around with the JVMs :)
[18:52] <rconan> nemo, they have less issues with binary distribution and licensing too
[18:52] <rconan> nemo, did you note that for a while to install eclipse you had to download something from sun.com for which you had to register
[18:52] <nemo> rconan: they have a lot fewer people maintaining the repo though
[18:52] <nemo> rconan: yep
[18:52] <Lynoure> of users
[18:52] <Lynoure> :(
[18:53] <Lynoure> nemo: I'm just hoping complain/help ratio would go down in FLOSS, it has grown alot with the growth of the number of users
[18:54] <nemo> I appreciate that argument, but it isn't like there aren't already existing Eclipse 3.3 and 3.4 packages.
[18:54] <nemo> I'm wondering if it is some inappropriate dev conservatism
[18:55] <nemo> all they need to do is update the packages
[18:55] <rconan> nemo, if you want it in the repos, get involved
[18:55] <rconan> nemo, you said yourself you packaged it for other distros, help out!
[18:55] <nemo> 13:51 < nemo> Lynoure: just a question of time commitment - don't want to commit to something then leave people hanging
[18:55] <rconan> nemo, i'll be grateful
[18:55] <rconan> nemo, ah didn't see that
[18:56] <Lynoure> nemo: I was trying to avoid saying this: it's always safer to commit to nothing and complain. You can commit to very little and still help. Even promise nothing and just pop out a package
[18:57] <nemo> Lynoure: I'm pretty sure existing packages already exist for Eclipse 3.4
[18:57] <nemo> seems unlikely much would need to be changed
[18:57] <Lynoure> nemo: better still
[18:57]  * nemo looks
[18:58] <Lynoure> Sounds like an excellent starting place for some low-commitment helping, if they exist
[19:00] <nemo> I'll be damned
[19:00] <nemo> no upstream Debian, none on Eclipse website
[19:00] <nemo> well. n/m - isn't just some misplaced conservatism on Ubuntu's part...
[19:00] <nemo> wild
[19:01] <rconan> nemo there is a bug on launchpad on it
[19:01] <rconan> and an eclipse team apparently
[19:02] <nemo> heh. the launchpad bug started with Feisty :(
[19:02] <nemo> that bodes poorly
[19:02] <nemo> The bug is not being closed as work will continue on fixing it for the next release, Hardy Heron (8.04).
[19:02] <nemo> heh
[19:03] <rconan> nemo, seems somewhat out of date yes
[19:04] <nemo> someone says java 1.6 in the bug which is misleading. eclipse 3.4 only requires java 1.5 (
[19:05] <nemo> well, they say 6 in bug - stupid java and their changing numbering scheme)
[19:05] <nemo> ah. someone corrects that
[19:06] <nemo> what is a "PPA" ?
[19:06] <nemo> https://launchpad.net/~eclipse-team/+archive
[19:07] <Pici> !ppa | nemo
[19:07] <nemo> hm
[19:08] <nemo> looks like that one is partially functional
[19:09] <nemo> I suppose I should start by trying to use it and seeing what works
[19:13] <bsnider> epiphany has a bit of an el problemo importing bookmarks from fireforks
[19:13] <bsnider> gnome 2.24 is scheduled to be released tomorrow
[19:13] <nemo> bsnider: oh. is epiphany in Ibex on webkit now?
[19:14] <bsnider> it can be
[19:14] <bsnider> you can use either one
[19:15] <bsnider> it is blazingly fast though, i'm telling ya. if you want to browse the web, and i mean REALLY browse it...
[19:15] <bsnider> browse it as no one has ever browsed it before...
[19:19] <inspyre> hello
[19:19] <inspyre> i just upgraded but i have no nvidia video
[19:19] <inspyre> and the screen gets mangled
[19:19] <inspyre> anyone know what to do?
[19:20] <PolitikerNEU> where can you change the rendering engine of epiphany?
[19:20] <PolitikerNEU> try it with envyng -t (in package envyng-core)
[19:21] <bsnider> PolitikerNEU, remove the epiphany-gecko package and install the epiphany-webkit package
[19:21] <inspyre> ok thanks
[19:21] <bsnider> simple as that
[19:22] <DanaG> Last time I tried epiphany-webkit, things like tabs and new windows.... seemed to be unimplemented.
[19:22] <PolitikerNEU> oh - I thought I could simply change a setting
[19:22] <inspyre> envy says xserver core is not going to be installed
[19:23] <PolitikerNEU> the install this xserver-xorg-core or however it is called
[19:23] <bsnider> DanaG, there's a new upstream version today. those issues may be resolved
[19:23] <PolitikerNEU> *whatever
[19:23] <sito> hi
[19:24] <bsnider> no
[19:24] <bsnider> not while they're winning
[19:24] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll give it a try.  The previous time was perhaps 1 month ago.
[19:24] <sito> what are the packaged of nvidia in intrepid?
[19:24] <bsnider> whoops, that msg was intended for something else
[19:24] <DanaG> "not while they're winning" -- my reaction: "¿?¿?¿?¿?"
[19:24] <DanaG> Best expression of puzzlement ever.
[19:25] <DanaG> =þ
[19:25] <bsnider> DanaG,  that msg was intended for something else
[19:25] <DanaG> Yeah, I got that. =þ
[19:26] <bsnider> in other words, the card won't deal kurt warner while they're winning. not that it matters in this channel
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> aptitude wants to remove my extensions if I remove epiphany-gecko
[19:26] <sito> anybody have a nvidia in your intrepid ibex¿
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> so I think I'll stay with gecko
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> me
[19:26] <PolitikerNEU> But I have used envyng -t without problems
[19:26] <bsnider> tabs work, but "open in new window" doesn't
[19:26] <bsnider> anad the right-click doesn't have "open in new tab"
[19:27] <DanaG> How about middle button to open in new tab?
[19:27] <bsnider> middle click open the link in the same tab
[19:28] <inspyre> whats envyng -t
[19:28] <bsnider> but in defense of epiphany, it does everything 1k times faster than fireforks
[19:28] <chakie> whee, the updates today made my sound work :)
[19:29] <PolitikerNEU> envyng -t is the text version of the envy graphics driver installer
[19:29] <inspyre> its recommended?
[19:29] <PolitikerNEU> The problem is that both konqueror and epiphany crash too often IMHO
[19:29] <bsnider> do they crash?
[19:29] <PolitikerNEU> I don't know if it is recommended (I don't thinks so) - but it works
[19:30] <PolitikerNEU> they crash
[19:30] <sito> i have problems with nvidia in intrepid, what are the packets for intrepid?
[19:31] <bsnider> well maybe the google browser will solve all issues
[19:31] <bsnider> "google browser to make life worth living"
[19:31] <omegamormegil> My system refuses to remember my WPA password for my wireless network.  Is this a known issue?
[19:31] <PolitikerNEU> nvidia-glx-173
[19:31] <bsnider> omegamormegil, yes it is
[19:31] <omegamormegil> I didn't see a bug report on launchpad.
[19:31] <DanaG> That forgetting WPA is a royal pain.
[19:32] <DanaG> I ended up making that network a "System Setting" profile.
[19:32] <omegamormegil> Good to know bsnider.
[19:32] <bsnider> network-manger forgetting stuff is something that everybody has complained about
[19:32] <bsnider> i'm sure it will be fixed by the beta release in a couple of weeks
[19:32] <belisarivs> hi all
[19:33] <bsnider> i think they're queuing all network-manager updates for one big update
[19:33] <bsnider> rather than doing a thousand little ones
[19:33] <belisarivs> how can I set default editor in mc?
[19:33] <omegamormegil> I also have an issue when I launch apps - my display jumps around.  For example, I see three herons from my background, somewhat transparent.  Is that another known issue?
[19:33] <omegamormegil> another known issue, I mean.  Obviously, it's unrelated.
[19:34] <belisarivs> when I press F4, it opens file in vim, how to set mcedit as default?
[19:34] <bsnider> sounds to me like a graphics problem. there are lots of graphics problems right now
[19:34] <bsnider> if you don't have a graphics issue, there's something wrong with you
[19:34] <omegamormegil> lol
[19:35] <PolitikerNEU> I don't have graphic issues :-)
[19:35]  * DanaG wonders when nvidia will fix the 96 drivers...
[19:35] <DanaG> Grr.
[19:35] <omegamormegil> If I don't see it on lauchpad, should I report it?  I'm not sure if it's helpful since we're still in alpha, and a lot of the issues are obvious.
[19:36] <PolitikerNEU> Hmm ... I never had this issue, so report it
[19:37] <bsnider> DanaG, the answer is never
[19:37] <bsnider> you'll have nouveau stuff on your system before that happens
[19:39] <belisarivs> any ideas?
[19:39] <DanaG> For me, nouveau isn't an option.... too CPU-intensive.
[19:39] <sito_> what are the packageds of nvidia in intrepid?
[19:40] <Pici> belisarivs: is $EDITOR set to vim?
[19:41] <belisarivs> echo $EDITOR returns nothing
[19:42] <Bauldrick> sito_: nvidia-glx-173 nvidia-glx-177 but not 96 :(
[19:42] <sito_> thank you Bauldrick :D
[19:42] <DanaG> Thank goodness this is not my primary laptop.
[19:42] <sito_> only this packages?
[19:42] <sito_> are you sure?
[19:42] <DanaG> My current primary one is 177-compatible, and next time I'm getting ATI.
[19:50] <bsnider> DanaG, oh, that's a good idea
[19:52] <bsnider> ati is perpetually a piece of crap
[19:52] <DanaG> Well, nvidia has been crap for me, in both Windows and Linux.
[19:52] <DanaG> Even if ATI is crap... it'll be open-source crap.
[19:58] <bsnider> DanaG, so for you, it's an ideological issue, more than performance
[19:58] <punkrockguy318> what happened to touchpad preferences ?
[19:59] <sysdoc> system>prefs>mouse 3rd tab
[19:59] <PolitikerNEU> Does anybody know how to get OOo 3.0 for intrepid (as a package repository, if possible)
[20:00] <punkrockguy318> sysdoc: it's not there it's missing
[20:00] <sysdoc> Sorry, that is where it is for my install
[20:01] <punkrockguy318> i only have general and accessibility
[20:03] <punkrockguy318> i just updated and it updated some stuff i'll try restarting x if not i'll just wipe my gome config
[20:03] <wst> PolitikerNEU: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive
[20:04] <wst> but they are not the newest version
[20:04] <PolitikerNEU> thanks - will they be updated?
[20:05] <bsnider> PolitikerNEU, no
[20:05] <bsnider> no time
[20:05] <star_> can any body help me about how to dial after pairing mobile for net connection via bluetooth ??
[20:05] <bsnider> they'd not only have to be updated, but maintained in case they break everything
[20:06] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[20:06] <bsnider> they'll probably be in someome's ppa or on getdeb/net
[20:06] <bsnider> if anybody cares enough, that is
[20:06] <wst> PolitikerNEU: there is also a package on the official download site
[20:06] <wst> that is rc2
[20:07] <wst> download.openoffice.org/680/
[20:07] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, but I like package repositories more
[20:10] <star_> can any body help me about how to dial after pairing mobile for net connection via bluetooth ??
[20:13] <td123> forgot that I got banned at #ubuntu :P too lazy to make a new username (that lazy)
[20:15] <td123> anyways, I'm trying to see if ruckus works with wine 1.1.5 *fingers crossed* running this on alpha6
[20:15] <td123> of course it is on a vm so it takes a little longer
[20:19] <DanaG> I've had plenty of issues with nvidia, myself.  Both in Windows and in Linux.
[20:21] <td123> I like how I have to download 100+MB of updates each day for alpha6 :/
[20:22] <td123> I know I don't have to but there is a reason why they have updates in the first place :
[20:23] <SwedeMike> they've been busy, I did dist-upgrade 2-3 days ago, and now there were 273M of updates
[20:24] <SwedeMike> Fetched 273MB in 43s (6219kB/s)
[20:24] <SwedeMike> well, at least the repos are quick
[20:25] <Maiku> does vinagre in intrepid not render the local cursor or is it just me?
[20:26] <sysdoc> Wow, the new kernel in Intrepid is outstanding for the HP laptop that I'm running. May actually be running cooler than XP!!
[20:28] <td123> SwedeMike: are you on a university connection?
[20:28] <SwedeMike> td123: nope, but I work for an ISP :P
[20:28] <SwedeMike> the best part is that speed is using IPv6
[20:29] <td123> SwedeMike: I heard sweden had really good internet connections :) how much do you pay
[20:29] <SwedeMike> well, since I work for the ISP I don't pay anything.
[20:29] <td123> SwedeMike: nice, how much would your connection typically cost though :P
[20:29] <SwedeMike> but generally a 100/10 LAN connection will set you back around USD50 or so per month
[20:31] <td123> wow, I pay the same for about 5mb in the us :( although I'm on a university connection so I have a +30mb dl/ul but I don't know the exact number lol
[20:38] <td123> well I have learned that using a vm takes *GREAT* patience, I can't emphasize great enough
[20:41] <td123> and I have a fair processor :/ core 2 duo t5500
[20:43] <jayde_drag0n> hey there was just a big update that came thru, and now my videos don't want to play and sound is gone (no music no system sounds etc)
[20:45] <_Zeus_> you running intrepid?
[20:45] <jayde_drag0n> yes
[20:45] <_Zeus_> what was the update?
[20:45] <jayde_drag0n> um 256 packages
[20:45] <_Zeus_> oh.
[20:45] <_Zeus_> ic
[20:45] <_Zeus_> have you restarted X?
[20:46] <jayde_drag0n> is X a specific application.. or do you meen reboot.. if the second then yes.. it required a rebbot
[20:46] <_Zeus_> oh, so you rebooted
[20:46] <_Zeus_> so you had a new kernel
[20:46] <td123> jayde_drag0n: use the last good configuration
[20:46] <td123> option in grub
[20:46] <_Zeus_> td123: how does it know if it's  "good"
[20:46] <_Zeus_> i mean, if it boots, isn't that a good configuration?
[20:46] <jayde_drag0n> yes.. i saw a lot of the words gnome-panel.. and nautilous.. i believe i saw some seahorse and pulseaudio in there as well
[20:47] <td123> jayde_drag0n: well maybe you can isolate the update then?
[20:47] <jayde_drag0n> won't it consider "THIS" as the last known good configuration when i reboot to try that?
[20:47] <_Zeus_> brb gonna boot to 2.6.27-4
[20:47] <td123> jayde_drag0n: there should be an option to boot the -3 kernel in the grub options....
[20:47] <td123> use that one
[20:48] <jayde_drag0n> okee dokee brb
[20:50] <_Zeus_> I couldn't see a think when i booted to -4, it was all red and blue lines
[20:50] <_Zeus_> but when x started, it's fine
[20:51] <bernrdo> hey guys - just downloaded 8.4 Alpha 6 trying to install it on my ThinkPad T400 with Intel X4500MHD ... X Crashes at startup with a black screen. How do I keep the installer to try loading X and just give me a shell?
[20:51] <_Zeus_> bernrdo: do you mean 8.10 alpha 6?
[20:51] <bernrdo> yah, sorry!
[20:51] <_Zeus_> bernrdo: i think you need an alternate install cd
[20:51] <_Zeus_> np
[20:52] <bernrdo> the alternate CD allows me to go directly to the shell or does it actually have a workign driver?
[20:52] <_Zeus_> bernrdo: it has a text based install
[20:52] <bernrdo> ok. cool. thanks
[20:53] <bernrdo> any known links/tutorials on how to get the X4500MHD working in 8.10?
[20:53] <davismj> is that a hard drive?
[20:53] <bernrdo> I googled and found several bug reports but no actual tutorials
[20:53] <bernrdo> nope, Video card .. Intel X4500MHD
[20:53] <davismj> ohhh
[20:53] <davismj> never heard of it
[20:53] <davismj> is it supposed to be competitive with the nvidia/ati 3d cards?
[20:54] <jayde_drag0n> td123: no there was no resolution
[20:54] <davismj> this probably won't help and i'm sure you've tried it but
[20:54] <davismj> have you tried envy?
[20:54] <jayde_drag0n> td123: whetever got broken , remains so
[20:54] <td123> yay, ruckus installs without visible errors with wine 1.1.5 !!!!!!!!!!:P
[20:54] <bernrdo> it's supposed to be a lot better than Intel's old integrated graphics, but not on the same level as Nvidia/ATI. Which is fine with me. It does full 1080p HD but still low power for good battery life
[20:55] <davismj> ahh its a mobile
[20:55] <davismj> not bad
[20:55] <davismj> you know if you're on linux anyway...
[20:55] <davismj> you're probably not playing much in the way of games
[20:55] <bernrdo> exactly
[20:55] <davismj> ya
[20:55] <davismj> although i get some nice fps with compiz-fusion addons
[20:55] <bernrdo> well. downloading alternate cd now ... thx for the hint
[20:56] <_Zeus_> i play games...
[20:56] <_Zeus_> i boot to windows for that
[20:56] <Maiku> I use wine :P
[20:57] <jayde_drag0n> _Zeus_: hey i rebooted to -3 from grub like td123 said.. but i still have no sound and my videos are wonky
[20:57] <_Zeus_> cod4 doesn't like wine
[20:57] <_Zeus_> jayde_drag0n: then it wasn't the kernel update
[20:57]  * Maiku has to be a little choosier
[20:57] <td123> Maiku: I have issues with wine and counter strike (original) :( I have to keep xp for that
[20:58] <jayde_drag0n> _Zeus_: then what could it have been.. because before i proceeded with the update i was watching movies just fine
[20:58] <jayde_drag0n> _Zeus_: literally like 20 minutes ago
[20:58] <_Zeus_> jayde_drag0n: it was something other than the new kernel
[20:58] <_Zeus_> i have no idea what
[20:58] <_Zeus_> sorry, but that's why it's called alpha software
[20:59] <jayde_drag0n> _Zeus_: how do i roll back ALL of the updates then?
[20:59] <td123> jayde_drag0n: well the update for sure, try isolating the update and reporting it in.
[20:59] <_Zeus_> jayde_drag0n: you can't
[20:59] <td123> jayde_drag0n: I don't think you can roll back...
[20:59] <_Zeus_> if you knew what package it was, you might be able to
[20:59] <jayde_drag0n> _Zeus_: so i have to reinstall my OS then.. because i cannot live without sound and video
[20:59] <_Zeus_> jayde_drag0n: you could just wait a day
[21:00] <_Zeus_> usually the next update will fix it
[21:00] <td123> jayde_drag0n: just reinstall and don't update anything, maybe one update at a time to see if you can isolate the problem
[21:00] <_Zeus_> i'd wait
[21:00] <_Zeus_> but i don't depend on sound and video that heavile
[21:01] <_Zeus_> *heavily
[21:01] <lore20> hi
[21:01] <jayde_drag0n> thats my only option.. my computer is how i watch tv, how i listen to music. plus i have schoolwork that requires videos.. it is my everything
[21:01] <lore20> with intrepid i cannot setup pdf printer with the gnome cups client
[21:02] <_Zeus_> jayde_drag0n: you shouldn't have used alpha ubuntu then.  sorry to tell you
[21:02] <lore20> is it a bug? or they'll remove this feature on ubuntu 8.10 ?
[21:03] <_Zeus_> umm, doesn't it come by default?
[21:03] <_Zeus_> setup?
[21:03] <lore20> _Zeus, no
[21:04] <lore20> on ubuntu hardy I had to add it as a common printer
[21:04] <_Zeus_> lore20: i have it by default
[21:04] <_Zeus_> just press print to file, select pdf, and you're done?
[21:04] <lore20> no, i'm talking about a virtual cups printer
[21:08] <lore20> I had to install cups-pdf.. now it works
[21:15] <davismj> hiiii
[21:19] <_Zeus_> hi
[21:21] <DanaG> Wow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555
[21:21] <venger> i don't think the warning is enough
[21:22] <venger> some people won't be aware that they require the e1000e driver -- any this bug redefines "may break your system"
[21:22] <venger> s/any/anyway
[21:23] <DanaG> They should move the module out of its normal location, and make it so you have to manually modpost it to load it.
[21:23] <_Zeus_> what do you mean>
[21:23] <_Zeus_> how can you get more than "may break your system"?
[21:23] <DanaG> One comment said that it was still loading despite being blacklisted.
[21:24] <DanaG> Most alphas assume possible data loss... but this is about risk of permanent hardware damage.
[21:24] <venger> it renders hardware useless, you know as well as i do that normal use software and drivers usually break things on a software level
[21:24] <_Zeus_> from what i've heard, the warning about "may break" is to be taken LITERALLY
[21:24] <_Zeus_> i was told that "at least you will still have both parts of you computer"...
[21:24] <venger> well it is now for sure
[21:26] <_Zeus_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[21:26] <_Zeus_> they have a warning
[21:27] <DanaG> Why even need to write to nvram?  They should just temporarily remove the nvram-writing feature entirely.
[21:28] <_Zeus_> there is talk of that
[21:29] <DanaG> My current laptop has an Intel Pro/1000 PT (82655, I think) NIC.  That uses the older driver.
[21:30] <DanaG> Wait, why is 82567 newer than 82655?
[21:30] <DanaG> Lovely numbering there, Intel.  =þ
[21:30] <venger> the numbering isn't always incremental for any hardware
[21:31] <Fishscene> Hello everyone.
[21:31] <Fishscene> I was wondering if anyone knew about the new "Guest" login and how it functions.
[21:32] <Fishscene> Is there some way of setting it up for "Kiosk-mode"?
[21:34] <_Zeus_> can you elaborate?
[21:35] <Fishscene> My organization is looking into setting up a public kiosk. I'd like to install Ubuntu on the machine for several reasons. However, I haven't really found anything built into Ubuntu for Kiosk tasks.
[21:36] <bsnider> what would be a kiosk task?
[21:37] <Fishscene> Not storing any information- if someone walks away, it flushes all information after a certain amount of time, etc..
[21:38] <_Zeus_> i think the guest user does that already
[21:41] <Fishscene> I'm not sure if the guest account auto-flushes information. From what I've read, it seems to be more of a safe way to share your computer with another person. It seems to me that this can be extended into a sort of kiosk-mode. I'm just wondering if I'm way off base or if something like what I'm looking for is a planned use of the guest account.
[21:42] <bsnider> you could set up a cron job that flushes the /tmp directory every x number of minutes
[21:42] <_Zeus_> bsnider: i don't think that will work
[21:42] <_Zeus_> is that where everything is stored for the guest user?
[21:42] <bsnider> _Zeus_, you wanna take this outside?
[21:42] <_Zeus_> bsnider: no...
[21:43] <_Zeus_> you don't have to get all hostile just cause i said i didn't think something will work
[21:43] <_Zeus_> if i'm wrong tell me
[21:43] <_Zeus_> if i'm right, tell me
[21:43] <bsnider> i was making a joke, hombre
[21:43] <_Zeus_> oh
[21:43] <_Zeus_> :-[
[21:46] <tgrundle> \
[21:51] <Esquilo> Hello everyone
[21:51] <Esquilo> I would like to know if the Flash support is really better in Intrepid.
[21:53] <bsnider> Esquilo, wait, who in the world said that?
[21:53] <Esquilo> I saw it in a blog ¬¬
[21:54] <Esquilo> why?
[21:54] <bsnider> because it's bogus
[21:54] <Fishscene> I'm not sure how a package would work better in Intrepid than in Hardy...
[21:54] <bsnider> it has the potential to be better, since flash 10 has native pulseaudio support
[21:55] <bsnider> but flash also has the disturbing tendency to crash fireforks right now
[21:55] <Esquilo> take a look: http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=pt-BR&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:pt-BR:unofficial&hs=d4E&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=better+flash+support+in+intrepid&spell=1
[21:55] <Esquilo> I'll see what I have said
[21:56] <Esquilo> I have problems when I upload movies to Vimeo with Firefox in Ubuntu...
[21:56] <Esquilo> because it uses flash
[21:57] <bsnider> epiphany has decent flash support
[21:57] <Fishscene> hmm... "Another of the areas getting special attention for the release of Intrepid Ibex is better integration of Flash. The intention is to make the Flash player easier to install and use. As much as possible Intrepid will incorporate Free Flash and the long term goal is to ship a free Flash alternative by default."
[22:05] <DanaG> Isn't there some sort of "log out when idle" thing?
[22:05] <Fishscene> I'm not sure.. but for a kiosk, it's important for it to log back in as well.
[22:05] <DanaG> You could have a passwordless temp user, and have something watch for session end, and flush info.
[22:06] <Esquilo> I gotta go... bye guys!
[22:06] <Fishscene> hmm
[23:35] <orangepeelbeef> anyone use nxclient ?  after the upgrade to intrepid  when i connect i get a window that doesn't update and you can't interact with
[23:37] <orangepeelbeef> nevermind, i just tested it after i got the updates today and it's working fine now
[23:37] <orangepeelbeef> weee
[23:56] <sysdoc> Does anyone know if all the dirs and filed in the .evolution directory are supposed to be owned by the user? Or is there a mix of user and root?
[23:57] <void^> all files in a user's home directory are normally owned by the user
[23:57] <sysdoc> That is what I thought, thanks


[01:11] <rick_h_> I think my life has taken a downward turn https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/459
[01:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/khM88b - fails to display on my ebook reader (Sony PRS-T2) · Issue #459 · bookieio/Bookie · GitHub
[01:25] <cmaloney> rick_h_: How's that?
[01:25] <cmaloney> Seriously, if someone is trying to use Bookie on an eReader that's a big win. :)
[01:27] <rick_h_> hah, trying to figure out why that fails?
[01:27] <rick_h_> there's some debugging for me wheee
[01:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: how goes the father?
[01:34] <brousch> wontfix
[01:39] <rick_h_> hah
[01:50] <cmaloney> rick_h_: He's OK.  Let us know if there's anything you guys need a hand with.
[03:35] <cmaloney> Thanks. :)
[03:35] <cmaloney> same here on your end. :)
[03:36] <cmaloney> Anywho, off to the land of dreams and makebelieve.
[03:36] <cmaloney> laterness
[12:40] <jrwren> good morning!
[12:40] <rick_h_> party
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> dance
[13:18] <cmaloney> party party
[13:19] <rick_h_> who says I'm not dancing?
[13:20] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: missed you at CHC last night, lots of chromebook conversations we missed you at
[13:20] <havenstance>   n/M / m
[13:20] <rick_h_> ummm, no?
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what sort of conversation? the condescending kind i'd rather miss or real constructive conversation?
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> i've taken a lot of shit over the past 5 days or so for using a chromebook for whatever reason
[13:25] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: oh quite constructive
[13:25] <rick_h_> one guy bought one for his wife and is liking it
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> ah
[13:25] <rick_h_> and was asking about people editing choices, ssh or web ides
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> what one?
[13:25] <rick_h_> running ubuntu/dual booting, etc
[13:25] <rick_h_> not sure
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> wish i was there
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> i have family in from texas and florida this week
[13:26] <rick_h_> ah, gotcha
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> if the screen was better i'd have no complaints about the chromebook
[13:26] <brousch> pixel!
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> I used to hate on the keyboard but i've gotten used to it
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i want a pixel. want to donate to my pixel fund?
[13:27] <brousch> Chromebooks are perfect for a large segment of the population. You cannot argue against that
[13:27] <brousch> mrgoodcat: I was hoping you had one laying around I could have
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> i just spent 500$ on my mountainbike though so i'm a bit short on disposable cash
[13:31] <jrwren> do you use a chromebook and run chromeos?
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> yes and yes/no
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> i dual boot ubuntu
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> which i use for work and anything requiring a "real" OS
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> but i use chromeos a lot at home for pleasure and such
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> i used to use the web IDEs available for chrome but eventually i wanted my CLI back
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> i tried to ssh to a dev server for a while but SSH is cumbersome sometimes. local dev is the preferred option
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> so then i tried crouton, which worked great for a while
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> but then i needed to use lxc
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> and crouton isn't advanced enough to support the more advanced kernel options
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> so i had to go to chrubuntu
[13:37] <rick_h_> can you map the search (caps lock) to control, that's the important question
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> when i upgraded to 14.04 the chrubuntu script broke, so i went with a flat install which works great
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: yes you can
[13:38] <rick_h_> if you can do that maybe my next machine should be a pixel or pixel2
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> my "search" is control and control is <super>
[13:38] <brousch> rick_h_: pixel only has 4GB of RAM
[13:38] <rick_h_> oh, no meta key? my window manager cringes in fear
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what meta key do you speak of? <alt>?
[13:38] <rick_h_> brousch: meh, I don't recall the last time my laptop went over 4
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> i have an <alt> key
[13:39] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: windows key, meta-4 I think, it's the basis for all my window manager controls
[13:39] <rick_h_> tiling layouts, splits, etc
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> the "search" key is the meta key
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> by default
[13:42]  * rick_h_ looks at the picture
[13:42] <rick_h_> I see, giant ctrl and alt keys
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> yup
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> huge
[13:45] <rick_h_> I'm trying to make myself use the air and trying to force myself to like it so I can justify getting the 13" version and moving on
[13:45] <jrwren> i don't think I could do chromeos, but maybe I'll try someday.  I'll claim its mrgoodcat fault
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: i'll sell you my c720p if i get a pixel
[13:46] <jrwren> cheap?
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> it was 200$ new so yea super cheap
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:46] <jrwren> cool
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> IF i get a pixel
[13:46] <jrwren> IFF
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> i just don't have the cash right now
[13:46] <jrwren> remember maths.  IFF means if and only if
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> no just IF. because i might get some other new version or an air or something
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> in which case i'd still not need this
[14:02] <jrwren> YAY
[14:02] <jrwren> just if!
[14:16] <cmaloney> The keyboard layout on the Chrome is what keeps me away.
[14:17] <cmaloney> I used Mac keyboards enough with Ubuntu to know that I like having my keyboard mapping match what the computer is expecting. :)
[14:18] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: the keyboard really doesn't bother me on mine
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> just miss f keys
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> i only have 1-10
[14:19] <jrwren> wtf?!?
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> there are only 10 f keys on the c720
[14:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's a dealbreaker. :)
[14:20] <cmaloney> I use my Fn keys.
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> really? not for me
[14:21] <jrwren> oh, i almost never use F keys
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> i'm only missing 11 and 12
[14:21] <jrwren> 'cept volume controls on a mac
[14:21] <jrwren> e.g. this conversation had me notice the play/pause button on my KB
[14:21] <jrwren> now I'll use that too.
[14:21] <mrgoodcat> you can map the chrome f keys to do what the pictures say
[14:21] <jrwren> I had been changing windows and pressing pause until now
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: get a gaming mouse with 12 buttons. map them to f keys
[14:25] <mathomastech> cmaloney: A suggestions for you. I've remapped my caps lock key (seach on most chromebooks) to cmd+alt+ctl+shift. Then map caps+1 = F1, caps+2 = F2, etc etc. That caps combo is unique so it never runs into issues with application specific shortcuts.
[14:30] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: How about no. :)
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> :)
[14:31] <cmaloney> mathomastech: How does one get to the ttys under that convoluted scheme? :)
[14:31]  * cmaloney uses those at least once a week.
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: i can get to my ttys
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> i still have 10 fkeys
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> and ctrl and alt
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> not sure why mathomastech did that weird remap. since the media keys are just f keys
[14:33] <mathomastech> cmaloney. No idea. I don't actually use that combo for F keys (I actually have functions keys). I use the combo for other custom shortcuts
[14:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I use F11 for making things fullscreen.
[14:33] <cmaloney> Though I could just use the menu for that.
[14:33]  * cmaloney also uses Blender from time to time. :)
[14:34]  * cmaloney is also about finished with that "Debt, the first 5,000 years book.
[14:34] <mathomastech> mrgoodcat: Because at heart, I love being weird :)  I hate the caps lock key, so I decided to make it useful by having my own custom shortcut modifier.
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> fair i guess
[14:35] <cmaloney> That book is the closest I have seen to taking the red pill regarding the financial crisis we're currently facing.
[14:35] <mathomastech> Just like i've remapped F1 to be something useful (dropdown terminal) rather than the always invasive help menu.
[14:35] <mrgoodcat> guake++
[14:35] <cmaloney> blergh
[14:36] <cmaloney> have never liked guake
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i don't use it anymore
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> tiling window manager takes care of all my terminal needs now
[16:09] <jrwren> ok... i want to use this method to add members to built in types http://blog.hakril.net/articles/1-understanding-python-by-breaking-it---lvl-2.html?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=4abbdd6e2e-Python_Weekly_Issue_140_May_22_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9e26887fc5-4abbdd6e2e-306809429
[16:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/v831rz - Understanding Python by breaking it - Lvl 2 - Hakril's blog
[16:19] <greg-g> people still listen to Slipknot?
[16:30] <greg-g> also, retired rich Sonoma county couples in full road biking getup (spandex etc) are hilarious
[16:30] <rick_h_> lol
[16:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: saw petaluma on the map and jealous of where you're at. Right around all my fav wine stuff
[16:31] <rick_h_> been spending a ton of time going through google maps checking locations and activities and such
[16:32] <greg-g> :)
[16:32] <cmaloney> greg-g: What's wrong with Slipknot?
[16:33] <greg-g> too bad we only have one bottle of wine in the house, an old white that I'll never drink (I only really drink red)
[16:33] <cmaloney> Other than I don't have any of their albums nor do I have any plans to pick them up in the near future
[16:33] <greg-g> cmaloney: too juvenile
[16:33] <rick_h_> yea, we're a red house as well
[16:34] <cmaloney> greg-g: Bah. :)
[16:34] <cmaloney> metal has always been retrograde in some fashion.
[16:34] <greg-g> cmaloney: I listened to/had a slipknot album in hiigh school during my angsty years too, but... just thought they might have retired by now :)
[16:34] <cmaloney> greg-g: No, but they did let Joey Jordinson go.
[16:34]  * greg-g doesn't know the names
[16:34] <cmaloney> Which I equate in the same vein as letting Mike Portnoy go from Dream Theater.
[16:35] <cmaloney> Joey was teh drummer
[16:35] <cmaloney> FOunding member, voice of the band. Etc.
[16:36] <cmaloney> nd yeah, outside of Cory Taylor (only because of the insufferable Stone Sour) and Joey I couldn't pick any of them out of a lineup.
[16:37] <greg-g> oh yeah, that's fair
[16:40] <cmaloney> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U7TMqLh70z8/U34m2tzbjGI/AAAAAAAADTI/Zbr5vxxsapQ/s756-no/2014+-+1
[16:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AGqfvq - image/jpeg
[16:40] <cmaloney> sometimes adult me wishes he could be kid me again.
[16:40] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:41] <greg-g> don't we all
[16:41]  * cmaloney says over and over "I will not pick up X-Wing Miniatures because it is just a money sink."
 Linux support is on the way."
 Can I buy one soon?
[17:27] <jcastro> controller isn't out until the fall
[17:27] <jcastro> until then you need an xbox controller + dongle
[17:27] <rick_h_> my wife is lamenting that we never got a wii and I'd rather steam box it than get a ps4 or xbox1
[17:27] <jcastro> which can be found cheap used everywhere
[17:27] <jcastro> oh, for casual games?
[17:27] <rick_h_> yea
[17:27] <jcastro> consider a fireTV (dead serious)
[17:27] <cmaloney> what sort of casual games?
[17:27] <jcastro> it has casual support and gamepad support
[17:27] <jcastro> it's pretty non-crappy
[17:27] <rick_h_> ugh, but I hate amazon not putting their movies on android and don't want to support them and I hear the controller is crappy
[17:28] <jrwren> a wii, like old wii?
[17:28] <rick_h_> heh
[17:28] <jrwren> just get one off craigslist.  they are CHEAP
[17:28] <jcastro> the fire can use xbox controllers
[17:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea she always wanted a wii, but I'd like something that's supported and I might play a game/two on a steambox
[17:28] <jcastro> their movies are on android, just their android, heh
[17:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, that doesn't count
[17:28] <rick_h_> not my N10 :(
[17:28] <jcastro> well, most of the DRM video stuff is crap, you're always going to be doomed in one way or another
[17:28] <rick_h_> the steambox stuff seems perfect after cmaloney's demo and talk t MUG
[17:29] <jcastro> you won't have movies or netflix on it though
[17:29] <rick_h_> yea, I've got roku's for that stuf
[17:29] <jcastro> ah ok
[17:29] <rick_h_> I've got a roku 3 and a chromecast on every tv in the house
[17:29] <rick_h_> (and my second monitor in my office)
[17:29] <jrwren> hehe @ every tv in the house.
[17:30] <cmaloney> rick_h_: May want to set up a steam account on your Linux machine and browse the available games
[17:30] <jrwren> we have 1 tv at our house.
[17:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, well 2
[17:30] <brousch> jrwren: Us too
[17:30] <rick_h_> we've got one in the guest room we actually use, and one in a downstairs living room we never use
[17:30] <cmaloney> there's a few "casual" games there but most of them are decidedly not "casual"
[17:30] <brousch> 1 TV total, 1 tablet and 1 laptop per family member
[17:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, I've got steam on ubuntu and other than 4k issues I've got a couple of games I'd play
[17:30] <cmaloney> ie: Wii bowling isn't showing up on Steam. :)
[17:30] <jrwren> brousch: and 5 phones each :)
[17:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[17:31] <rick_h_> there was an ouya article recently that got me interested in causual games for the house
[17:31] <brousch> So get an ouya!
[17:31] <mrgoodcat> ouya!
[17:31] <jcastro> rick_h_, out of curiosity, why chromecast when you have dedicated rokus with remotes?
[17:31] <rick_h_> jcastro: because roku can't do google content which is on my N10
[17:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: and my N10 can't do content I bought on AMZ on my rokus
[17:32] <jcastro> rick_h_, agree with cmaloney, the casual games on steam are for like, nerds, not normal people
[17:32] <rick_h_> jcastro: so I'm stuck in two worlds pissed at everyone
[17:32] <jcastro> wait
[17:32] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/44647f7418126f
[17:32] <jcastro> you buy content instead of rent?
[17:32] <rick_h_> yes, I have a 4yr old
[17:32] <rick_h_> by week two...it's paid for itself
[17:32] <jcastro> oh, that sucks
[17:32] <rick_h_> even with tv days only be fri/sat/sun
[17:32] <rick_h_> but when we go 'camping' I hook the N10 up to the tv and play offline movies
[17:32] <jcastro> I mean, I dont have my own so when they come over it's like, netflix kids, play, and walk away
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, but they don't have a lot of content, a TON of disney, etc
[17:33] <rick_h_> and that's streaming which we're not always able to do
[17:33] <rick_h_> offline ftw sometimes
[17:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm afan of buying content when I can.
[17:33] <rick_h_> and for $35, the chromecast is an impulse buy
[17:33] <cmaloney> streaming is for suckers. :)
[17:34] <rick_h_> hmm, ouya, wii on ebay, or something
[17:34] <rick_h_> ok, well good to know. Shame that steam box controller stuff is so far out
[17:34] <cmaloney> I'm a little lukewarm on the Ouya.
[17:34] <rick_h_> didn't they annouce it some 6+ months ago?
[17:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Here's a thought...
[17:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, that article hit the sweet spot I think though
[17:34] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: i read that same article
[17:34] <jcastro> the ouya is DOA
[17:35] <jcastro> it's done
[17:35] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: didn't it make you want to go get one?
[17:35]  * rick_h_ checks if it's from someone that works for them :P
[17:35] <jcastro> the firetv can do about everything the ouya can and has AAA content, they're doomed
[17:35] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: yea it did
[17:35] <jcastro> rick_h_, in general steam is for gamers, casual games are far and few between unfortunately
[17:35] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Atari-Flashback-2-Plug-Play/dp/B00093DHIK
[17:35] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/cQ2k - Amazon.com: Atari Flashback 2+ Plug-in-Play: Video Games
[17:35] <jcastro> like, tetris, there's no tetris in steam
[17:36] <jcastro> but it's like $2 on the firetv
[17:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: so it's basically android games available in their store?
[17:36] <jcastro> yeah, but since they have their own lame app store
[17:36] <jcastro> the games need to be submitted by the devs specifically to amazon
[17:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: heh, I like to causual blow up zombies in left4dead :)
[17:37] <jcastro> which means that it's not as many, but on the flip side it's not a bunch of garbage like the play store either
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> i liked how that article made the ouya sound
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> but idk if it was 100$ worth of like
[17:37] <jcastro> I have one if you want to mess with it, though the gas money to get down here is probably more than the firetv, heh
[17:37] <rick_h_> lol yea
[17:37] <cmaloney> pthhhpt.
[17:37] <mrgoodcat> lol where is "down here"?
[17:37] <brousch> Does fireTV have custom controllers like ouya?
[17:37] <jcastro> rick_h_, used wii is the way to go, there's tons of them out there
[17:38] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd go with a used Wii in most circumstances.
[17:38] <jcastro> brousch, it has an xbox-like controller that you can buy with it, or it can use xbox controllers with a dongle
[17:38] <rick_h_> yea, aren't some of the games losing their back end servers and such though?
[17:38] <rick_h_> I worry that it was so 'internet connected' that it'll be a brick
[17:38] <cmaloney> save for "I only have HDMI ports on the back of my TV"
[17:38] <brousch> You have to code for the controllers with ouya. You can't just take any old Android game and slap it on there
[17:38] <jcastro> when I say wii I mean whatever the newest wii is
[17:38] <jcastro> not the first wii
[17:38] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Assume there's no Online play for the Wii
[17:38] <cmaloney> The WiiU is a joke.
[17:38] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, that kind of sucks
[17:38] <cmaloney> and this is coming from a Wii owner.
[17:39] <rick_h_> amz should be sending me a firetv as a prime member that spends too much $$ on their crap, including their movies/etc on my roku boxes
[17:39] <rick_h_> :)
[17:39] <cmaloney> heh
[17:40] <jrwren> what is wrong with WiiU? it looks nice.
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> i know at least one person very happy with his wiiu
[17:40] <rick_h_> ok, guess I'll have to think more on it. I'm darn curious to try out a steambox though. Without the work of installing/etc. Just plug-n-play
[17:40] <rick_h_> well, plug-login-play
[17:40] <jrwren> i stills say ebay or CL an old Wii, buy used games for it - they are cheap and will make your wife happy
[17:41] <brousch> Yes, plenty of games for the child too. All of the LEGO games
[17:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, a nuc would be a nice steambox
[17:41] <cmaloney> The problem I have with the WiiU is that NIntendo is once again releasing the same shit they released for the GC and Wii
[17:41] <jcastro> it'd be portable too
[17:41] <brousch> Although they look much better on PS3
[17:41] <rick_h_> jcastro: +1
[17:41] <cmaloney> just with another controller in the mix.
[17:41] <jrwren> how much does a NUC cost?
[17:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: well fleshed out around $500
[17:41] <jcastro> rick_h_, witcher2 is out for linux, but it needs a more powerful card than an intel
[17:41] <jcastro> jrwren, depends, they come in kits too
[17:42] <jcastro> as low as 300, as high as 700
[17:42] <jrwren> I know you can buy an ipad mini + apple TV for WELL under that, and place nice games on your TV
[17:42] <rick_h_> jcastro: saw that, I need to fire up steam again sometime on my desktop
[17:42] <jcastro> everyone should buy it, it's four dollars
[17:42] <jcastro> and a AAA game
[17:42] <jcastro> show them we exist, etc.
[17:42] <rick_h_> jcastro: when I get around to stop working in time to play a game before bed
[17:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's lots of cool games for Linux
[17:43] <jrwren> $229 ipadmini + $99 appletv => $328 - still cheaper than a NUC + cables :p
[17:43] <cmaloney> There's a few more casual games on there though.
[17:43] <jrwren> LOTS more casual games on ios
[17:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: We'll need to have a gaming party or something
[17:43] <rick_h_> I think the whole amz vs google play thing sucks, I'm never going back to iAnything
[17:44] <rick_h_> cmaloney: definitely
[17:44] <cmaloney> and anyone else in here that's hopped on the gaming discussion. :)
[17:44] <jcastro> jrwren, your solution to rick's lockin problem is even worse lockin?
[17:44] <cmaloney> jcastro: it's iLocks.
[17:44] <jrwren> lockin problem?
[17:45] <jrwren> EVERYTHING in the game industry is lockin. If you don't want lockin, don't play video games.
[17:46] <jcastro> he was talking about videos
[17:46] <greg-g> weird, I connect with my vpn and the starbucks wifi kicks me off in 5 minutes, reconnect plain style and I'm fine
[17:46] <brousch> There are games on F-Droid
[17:46] <jcastro> rick_h_, I'll show you how to truly avoid lockin with plex dude
[17:47] <jrwren> greg-g: what kind of VPN?
[17:48] <greg-g> uhhh, cisco compat with my work?
[17:48] <greg-g> s/with/via/
[17:49] <jrwren> dunno :(
[17:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, all that seems cool but I just don't have the time to maintain/build stuff any more. I'm a dumb user
[17:52] <jcastro> yeah I hear ya
[17:52] <rick_h_> I want to be a cool kid and all, but too grown up
[17:53] <greg-g> 'tis why I went with a synology nas :/
[17:53] <jrwren> excuses!
[17:53] <jrwren> if it were important to you, you would do it!
[17:53] <greg-g> Rowan trumps *
[17:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: +1
[17:53] <jrwren> build it with rowan :p
[17:53] <jcastro> as stupid as the online services are, I love that it's still 50x better than how the TV and cable companies want you to do things
[17:54] <jrwren> ^^ yup
[17:54] <rick_h_> at some point you've got more $$ than free time, hello lawn mower service, hello camper dealer doing my maintenance
[17:54] <jcastro> rick_h_, yeah sucks about the split brain on your video though
[17:54] <jcastro> I also have a lawn service, etc.
[17:54] <greg-g> jrwren: he doesn't do much of that 'building' quite yet, mostly the 'destroying part ;)
[17:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I really wish amz would have their app for all android and then I'd just use them
[17:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: but because they don't I've started to go with pure google, at least a chromecast is $35 vs $99 for the roku with amz
[17:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah +1
[17:55] <greg-g> also, take back the 'no vpn works fine' here, this AP is just dropping every now ad then, too
[17:55] <jcastro> yeah at least you get HDMI CEC with  the chromecast so you're not fuddling with input garbage all day
[18:02] <jrwren> greg-g: yeah, Lilly is finally reading at a good level, so she can help with a lot more things.
[18:32] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: you on the attwifi or google? just to satisfy my curiosity
[18:33] <mrgoodcat> .stock noc
[18:33] <bookiebot> Northrop Grumman - $118.604 +0.344 (+0.29%) H:$118.89 L:$118.01 O:$118.27 Volume:493208 [2:18pm]
[18:33] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: att
[18:34] <jrwren> fun bot.
[18:35] <jrwren> .stock sbux
[18:35] <bookiebot> Starbucks Corpora - $71.65 +1.25 (+1.78%) H:$71.77 L:$70.30 O:$70.36 Volume:2469506 [2:20pm]
[18:35] <jrwren> .stock mcd
[18:35] <bookiebot> McDonald's Corpor - $102.51 -0.05 (-0.05%) H:$102.98 L:$102.23 O:$102.65 Volume:1435242 [2:20pm]
[18:35] <greg-g> .stock wmf
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> you have to know the symbol though. It doesn't do any closest match or anything
[18:36] <greg-g> oh right, we're a nonprofit that cares about the world, not money
[18:36] <greg-g> :P
[18:36] <mrgoodcat> oh lol i was about to check the debug console to figure out what went wrong
[18:36] <greg-g> I'm just a troll :)
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> HLO is high low open for the current day
[18:37] <mrgoodcat> time is the time of the last trade
[18:38] <brousch> greg-g: How can we measure your org's worth if it does not have a stock price?!
[18:38] <greg-g> brousch: :P
[18:38] <brousch> Obviously it is worthless
[18:38] <greg-g> there have been attempts, we're in the tens of billions
[18:38] <mrgoodcat> must be
[18:39] <brousch> Maybe we could measure it by the losses incurred by your commercial competitors. How is the encyclopedia business these days?
[18:39] <greg-g> none-existent
[18:40] <greg-g> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-much-is-wikipedia-worth-704865/?no-ist
[18:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fzGZTR - How Much is Wikipedia Worth? | Smart News | Smithsonian
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> brousch: that's probably not even too bad of an estimate
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> low i'd guess though
[18:42] <greg-g> economists did what you're asking, see above
[18:43] <mrgoodcat> yea just read that
[19:02] <cmaloney> .stock alu
[19:02] <bookiebot> Alcatel-Lucent Co - $3.82 -0.07 (-1.80%) H:$3.89 L:$3.81 O:$3.88 Volume:9572030 [2:47pm]
[19:02] <cmaloney> That surprises me.
[19:06] <jrwren> why? they have been in toilet for years.
[19:06] <jrwren> i paid $50/share for that dud.
[19:06] <jrwren> .stock MMLP
[19:06] <bookiebot> Martin Midstream - $40.02 -0.02 (-0.05%) H:$40.29 L:$39.96 O:$40.00 Volume:45410 [2:51pm]
[19:06] <cmaloney> Im surprised they're not still floating around $1
[19:06] <jrwren> whoa! good deal.
[19:06] <cmaloney> Which is where it was when I left.
[19:08] <cmaloney> waf: You still on track to head overseas?
[19:08] <cmaloney> seems the shit is hitting the fan over there politically.
[19:10] <cmaloney> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27529563
[19:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ldbOfv - BBC News - Questions remain about Thai army's sudden takeover
[23:42] <cmaloney> rick_h_: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=keyed_up_labs
[23:45] <rick_h_> the clear?
[23:45] <cmaloney> Any of them.
[23:45] <cmaloney> Looks interesting.
[23:46] <cmaloney> https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660ceg <- This also looks way expensive. :)
[23:47] <cmaloney> But... switchable CTRL / Caps Lock
[23:48] <rick_h_> it's the topre switches
[23:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've never used those.
[23:48] <rick_h_> yea, I can't get over the price tag
[23:48] <rick_h_> it's the one keyboard switch I've not tried due to price
[23:49] <rick_h_> I did pick up one of the thinkpad keyboards and used that this last week+ with the trackpoint on it
[23:49] <rick_h_> but I do start to get wrist pain these days when on the desktop. I end up back on my kenesis like greg-g
[23:50] <cmaloney> Ugh
[23:51] <rick_h_> yea, kind of bummed
[23:51] <rick_h_> but bound to happen I guess
[23:51] <rick_h_> that thinkpad keyboard makes an awesome small 'server' keyboard though


[15:17] <smoser> hey. I'm trying to create a new milestone from https://launchpad.net/ssh-import-id/trunk
[15:18] <smoser> new milestone would be 5.10.  Doing so gives a popup error (which actually pops *behind*) that says:
[15:18] <smoser> name: The name 5.1 is already used by a milestone in ssh-import-id.
[15:19] <smoser> it would appear (b ased on the fact that there are other .10 releases that this must be a regression ?
[15:33] <cjwatson> I've seen this before.
[15:33] <cjwatson> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/581748
[15:33] <cjwatson> smoser: It only affects the JavaScript milestone creation widget; you can instead middle-click the "Create milestone" green link to go to the plain form version, which isn't affected by this
[15:34] <cjwatson> I suppose we should have another go at some point.  Last time I tried to fix that, the fix blew up other bits of JS in ways whose exact details I've forgotten.
[15:35] <smoser> cjwatson: thank you.  my that is an old bug.
[19:49] <RikMills> lgw01 x86 mostly disabled at the moment. breakage or maintenance?