[06:56] <YoBoY> hi
[13:55] <jiboumans> o/
[13:55] <ivoks> o/
[13:56] <highvoltage> o/
[13:57] <kirkland> o/
[13:58] <mathiaz>  /o
[13:58] <soren> o/
[13:59] <hggdh> o/
[13:59] <smoser> |o
[13:59] <soren> _o_
[13:59]  * jjohansen o|
[14:00] <ivoks> o?
[14:00] <soren> _o|/_
[14:00] <ttx> o/
[14:00]  * soren is doing yoga
[14:00] <ivoks> oł
[14:00] <dholbach> soren: I didn't want to ask
[14:00] <ttx> let's get started.
[14:00] <ttx> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is ttx.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <ttx> I'll chair this meeting, Jos lurks but can't chair.
[14:01] <ttx> Recently updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[14:01] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:01] <ttx> ACTION: ttx to follow up on server-lucid-cluster-stack and server-lucid-asterisk-integration via email
[14:01] <ttx> been there, done that.
[14:01] <ivoks> :)
[14:01] <ttx> i didn't get updated status from asterisk-integration though
[14:02] <ttx> maybe we'll talk about it later during open discussion.
[14:02]  * nijaba waves
[14:02] <ttx> [TOPIC] Beta1 / beta2 targets feedback
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta1 / beta2 targets feedback
[14:03] <ttx> Jos asked the Canonical team to submit any ideas we might have overlooked for beta1/beta2 targets
[14:03] <ttx> So far only smoser answered
[14:03] <ttx> Please reply by the end of the day if yo uintend to.
[14:03] <Daviey> \o
[14:03] <kirkland> ttx: can you clarify?
[14:03] <ttx> The beta1/beta2 plan should be finalized this week.
[14:04] <ttx> kirkland: If you think there are things that should be done for beta1/beta2 that our planning did not already take into account, please send an email to jos/me
[14:04]  * Daviey wonders why Jos only wants Canonical team input.
[14:04] <jiboumans> Daviey: i don't :) I asked the canonical team last week already
[14:04] <jiboumans> another call here for everyone's input
[14:05] <ttx> jiboumans: thanks for the precision.
[14:05] <Daviey> ta :)
[14:05] <kirkland> thanks for the clarification
[14:05] <ttx> [TOPIC] Alpha3 status review
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 status review
[14:05] <mathiaz> ttx: what's the list of specification you're working on for beta1?
[14:06] <ttx> mathiaz: see milestones in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~jib/+specs?searchtext=server-lucid
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: I've got some work items I'd like to do on some packages
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: but they don't necessarly fit in a blueprint
[14:07] <ttx> beta1 allocates 1/3 of work time to do test/bugfix on general packages
[14:07] <ttx> beta2 allocates 2/3 of work time to that.
[14:07] <ttx> mathiaz: so we planified that.
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: how to record the fact that work needs to be done on such package?
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: or is it just: go and test packages?
[14:08] <ttx> mathiaz: at that point it's freeform.
[14:08] <ttx> mathiaz: but I agree we could use some tracker...
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: for now I've added WI to some of the blueprints
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: (mainly things related to puppet and slapd)
[14:09] <mathiaz> ttx: but it doesn't really fit in the scope of the blueprint
[14:09] <ttx> I think they should be tracked separately
[14:09] <ttx> mathiaz: we'll clarify that, might end up creating a blueprint for "stuff"
[14:09] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[14:10] <ttx> that doesn't fit into papercuts or another one
[14:10] <ttx> other questions ?
[14:10] <mathiaz> ttx: the timeline for beta1 planning is end of week?>
[14:10] <ttx> beta1 subcycle starts Friday :)
[14:10] <ttx> so we should have a plan by that time.
[14:11] <ttx> ok, moving on to...
[14:11] <ttx> [TOPIC] Alpha3 status review
[14:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 status review
[14:11] <ttx> No more alpha3 targeted bugs that I know of
[14:11] <ttx> ISO testing is up
[14:11] <ttx> Please test the latest candidate
[14:11] <ttx> it's not expected to change anymore.
[14:11]  * kirkland is on it!
[14:12] <ttx> Alpha3 remaining work items
[14:12] <ttx> kirkland: Perform UEC tests on A3 candidate
[14:12] <kirkland> ttx: doing it as we speak
[14:12]  * zul waves
[14:12] <ttx> mathiaz: Test and debug installation from an iso / Follow with IS on mamoncillo state
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz: does that need to happen before A3 ?
[14:13]  * nijaba ping le service mktg de canonical pour préparer de t-shirts ubuntu taile barbie :P
[14:13] <mathiaz> ttx: nope
[14:13]  * nijaba says osrry, wrong chan
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz: do you expect it to be completed by A3 ?
[14:13] <mathiaz> ttx: I hope so - expect for mamoncillo
[14:13] <mathiaz> ttx: that's out of my hands
[14:14] <ttx> mathiaz:  	Move libpam-ccreds to main ?
[14:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think we can live without it?
[14:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: we have enough machines to do each of the 3 topos, right?
[14:14] <mathiaz> ttx: this is in the hand of the mir team now
[14:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: correct
[14:14] <ttx> mathiaz: ok
[14:14] <kirkland> ttx: mamoncillo is not a blocker
[14:14] <ttx> smoser: add run-instance-and-* commands -- I suggest we drop that ?
[14:15] <smoser> yeah
[14:15] <smoser> :-(
[14:15] <ttx> soren: Triage and fix relevant bugs for VMBuilder in Lucid
[14:15] <ttx> soren: still planning to complete as many as you can until tomorrow ?
[14:15] <soren> All triaged.
[14:15] <soren> Almost all fixed.
[14:15] <ttx> soren: great!
[14:16] <soren> ...and the day is still young :)
[14:16] <soren> http://surl.dk/77e/
[14:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://surl.dk/77e/
[14:16] <ttx> zul: Write MIR and update package for main requirement for ctdb
[14:16] <ttx> I think that one will be dropped, not in shape for main at this point ?
[14:16] <ivoks> not in shape?
[14:16] <zul> no, talking to ctdb upstream as well
[14:16] <ivoks> ah, and i was looking forward to that
[14:17] <ttx> zul: daily-vcs: we'll talk about that together after meeting
[14:17] <zul> ttx: cool
[14:17] <ttx> any questions ?
[14:18] <ttx> anything about alpha3 milestone subcycle you want to share ?
[14:18] <ttx> ok, moving on...
[14:18] <zul> i like turtles
[14:18] <ttx> btw, smoser is the scribe, I forgot to mention
[14:18] <smoser> whoops
[14:18] <soren> zul: Yeah. Crunchy.
[14:18]  * smoser starts scribing
[14:19] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren, hggdh)
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren, hggdh)
[14:19] <ttx> soren, hggdh : o/
[14:19] <hggdh> heh
[14:19]  * soren looks around
[14:19] <hggdh> I still have to find my bearings ;-)
[14:19] <jiboumans> hggdh: welcome to the fold :)
[14:19] <ttx> hggdh: welcome :)
[14:19] <hggdh> thank you.
[14:19] <ttx> hggdh: running already ?
[14:19] <mathiaz> hggdh: welcome aboard!
[14:20] <hggdh> A question -- the regression thingie -- what to do when a package fails?
[14:20] <zul> yell
[14:20] <ttx> hggdh: not sure I get the question... File a bug, fix it ?
[14:20] <hggdh> (in this case, mysql, 2 -- or 3 -- different issues)
[14:20] <ttx> ah
[14:20] <ttx> automated build failures
[14:20] <hggdh> yes, sorry
[14:21] <ttx> hggdh: I think it's appropriate to mention the build failure and basic investigation results here
[14:21] <hggdh> OK. There goes:
[14:21] <ttx> so that someone can say "i'll look into that one"... hopefully.
[14:22] <ttx> So you're talking about the mysql automated rebuild/testsuite run that currently fails.
[14:22] <hggdh> mysql is failing on two different areas (1) ssl tests consistently fail, all of them; (2) one SQL test (or two) fail on different output
[14:22] <soren> The SSL tests are due to the SSL certs shipped in the package having expired.
[14:22] <mathiaz> hggdh: ssl test: check that the certificate is up-to-date
[14:23] <zul> (1) it needs a patch from our bzr tree (2) havent looked at
[14:23] <ttx> hggdh: is it the usua ltest  certificate expiration issue ?
[14:23] <ttx> heh
[14:23] <ttx> I'm late.
[14:23] <soren> mdeslaur has a patch for that.
[14:23] <zul> can anyone upload to that ppa?
[14:23] <soren> I don't know what the other problem is. I haven't really investigated.
[14:24] <hggdh> ttx no, timeouts. Sounds like there is no SSL to work on
[14:24] <ttx> zul: looking into that as part of the mysql dailyvcs work ?
[14:24] <mathiaz> hggdh: some of the mysql tests are time sensitive - so depending on the load of the ppa, the test suite may fail
[14:24] <hggdh> hum. Might impact SSL due to processing reqs
[14:24] <zul> ttx: kind of
[14:24] <hggdh> but all of them?
[14:26] <ttx> ok, we'll not debug that one now, please continue that discussion on #ubuntu-server
[14:26] <soren> hggdh: The server might not start its SSL port if it knows that the cert is expired.
[14:26] <ttx> anything else from QA, for QA ?
[14:26] <ttx> hggdh will contact some of you for information, please help him get up to speed
[14:26] <ttx> that includes UEC testing.
[14:27] <ttx> For the record, hggdh is the successor of soren in the QA team, dedicated to server.
[14:27] <mathiaz> hggdh: \o/!
[14:28] <ttx> ok, let's move on to our other friends, the kernel team...
[14:28] <ivoks> hggdh: hello there
[14:28] <dholbach> Just a very quick note: I'd appreciate if you could help out with sponsoring a bit - I added an indication of packagesets to http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ so it will show you if something is server related, if you want to review anything else on the list, that'd great too! we need to get the list shorter again! THANKS!
[14:28] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:28] <ttx> dholbach: spammer !
[14:28] <ttx> jjohansen: HI
[14:28] <dholbach> ttx: I thought id fitted quite well into the pause, but thanks :)
[14:29] <jjohansen> well, I am going to be taking another stab at a pv-ops based kernel for EC2
[14:29] <ttx> we also have friends in the community team, as you can see.
[14:29] <zul> jjohansen: good luck :)
[14:29] <ttx> jjohansen: sounds like a noble and worthy goal.
[14:30] <jjohansen> iff then we may want to end up switching kernels out from under you
[14:30] <jjohansen> we should know by friday one way or the other
[14:30] <ttx> jjohansen: ok, keep us posted.
[14:30] <smoser> jjohansen, ooh
[14:30] <smoser> i'm interested in pvops, hip hop horray
[14:31] <jjohansen> yep will definitely keep you posted
[14:31] <ttx> Anything else for our kernel friend ?
[14:31] <smoser> one other thing in this arena, its eems we'll soon have a karmic kernel refresh available.
[14:31] <zul> jjohansen: want me to bounce ideas off of you?
[14:31] <smoser> as bug 428692 is moving to karmic-updates
[14:31] <jjohansen> zul: sure that would be nice
[14:32] <jjohansen> smoser: finalyy
[14:32] <jjohansen> s/finalyy/finally/
[14:33] <ttx> mvcing on to...
[14:33] <jjohansen> I don't think there is anything else from kernel
[14:33] <ivoks> ttx: mvc
[14:33] <ttx> [TOPIC] Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:33] <ttx> Nominations review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[14:33] <ttx> Only three bugs this week
[14:34] <ttx> mostly those we didn't manage to decide on yet
[14:34] <ivoks> gosh...
[14:34] <ttx> bug 211915
[14:34] <ttx> This one is purely doc, I'd +1 it
[14:34] <ttx> but that hardly is a usability issue
[14:35] <ttx> takes a special type of paper to be cut by it
[14:35] <ttx> anyone else has an opinion on that one ?
[14:35] <ivoks> hm...
[14:36] <ttx> ok, let's keep it for one more week, then... on to bug 325109
[14:36] <ivoks> it would be great if amavis would read hostname from the system
[14:36] <ttx> ivoks: you mention it's fixed in your PPA, is that true ?
[14:37] <ivoks> ttx: we talked about this last week; i didn't have time to check it
[14:37] <ivoks> ttx: i promise to do that by friday
[14:37] <ttx> ok, just comment on the bug :)
[14:37] <ttx> bug 508382
[14:37] <ivoks> same thing, friday
[14:38] <ttx> ok, tx
[14:38] <ttx> So feel free to assign yourself the ones you're inetersted in
[14:38] <ttx> We'll start fixing those next week.
[14:38] <ttx> (feel free to take a head start, like soren did)
[14:38] <zul> yay soren
[14:38] <ttx> Questions on papercuts before we move on ?
[14:39] <ivoks> soren is an alien, anyway
[14:39] <ttx> [TOPIC] Bugzapping during betas (kirkland)
[14:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugzapping during betas (kirkland)
[14:39] <ttx> kirkland: howdy
[14:39] <soren> bah
[14:39] <kirkland> similar in principle to papercuts, bugzapping is an initiative to proactively go out and fix server bugs
[14:39] <kirkland> the blueprint is here: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-bug-zapping
[14:40] <kirkland> basically, we'll take 3 - 4 weeks of the remaining time left in Lucid
[14:40] <kirkland> each of those weeks will be dedicated to a set of related packages
[14:40] <kirkland> such as:
[14:40] <kirkland>  * database (mysql, postgres)
[14:40] <kirkland>  * LAMP-stack-stuff (apache2, php5)
[14:40] <kirkland>  * virtualization (libvirt, qemu-kvm, virt-manager)
[14:40] <kirkland>  * java
[14:40] <ttx> kirkland: so that will run through the beta1 and beta2 subcycles, right
[14:40] <kirkland> ttx: right
[14:41] <kirkland> each day of the has a specific set of tasks assigned
[14:41] <kirkland> Monday is *total* bug triage
[14:41] <kirkland> which means we should enlist the help of triagers
[14:41] <kirkland> tue - fri, we work on fixing bugs that are in the Triaged state
[14:41] <kirkland> focusing on the High ones, or particularly easy ones
[14:42] <kirkland> we commit to bzr branches
[14:42] <kirkland> and one or more core devs/motu sponsor the package for upload
[14:42] <kirkland> and then we enlist the help of testers
[14:42] <ttx> kirkland: so we should have a more detailed plan by next week ?
[14:42] <kirkland> we should plan on having a final "upload" by thursday
[14:42] <kirkland> and spend friday regression testing
[14:42] <kirkland> ttx: sure
[14:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: is there a wiki page that outlines the whole process?
[14:43] <kirkland> ttx: basically, i'll have the package sets/schedule set
[14:43] <kirkland> ttx: the process is well documented already in the blueprint
[14:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's all in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-bug-zapping right now
[14:43] <ttx> kirkland: send it for comments before the meeting, some might want to adjust times because they won't be present
[14:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: to make sure that anyone jumping into the ship any day knows what is the current focus
[14:43] <kirkland> ttx: mathiaz: ack
[14:44] <kirkland> ttx: mathiaz: i'll add a wiki page, and post to ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-server@
[14:44] <ttx> [ACTION] kirkland to publish tentative bugzapping roadmap
[14:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to publish tentative bugzapping roadmap
[14:44] <kirkland> ttx: the one week that is for certain is Mar 22 - 26 will be Eucalyptus/euca2ools
[14:45] <ttx> [ACTION] ivoks to review the remaining bacula/amavisd papercuts for feasability
[14:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ivoks to review the remaining bacula/amavisd papercuts for feasability
[14:45] <kirkland> ttx: as mathiaz and I will be on site at Eucalyptus Systems, and this idea is based on something similar mathiaz and I did with nurmi for Eucalyptus during the Karmic cycle
[14:45] <ttx> ok.
[14:45] <ttx> Other questions for kirkland on the bugzapping effort ?
[14:45] <randa> msg/ marianna hi
[14:45] <jiboumans> fwiw, i've taken the liberty to update the spec with that date
[14:45] <kirkland> ttx: for the record, we fixed some 75 bugs in about 4 days last time we did this!
[14:46] <kirkland> jiboumans: thanks
[14:46] <ttx> let's set new records.
[14:46] <ttx> We should also get upstream help if we can.
[14:46] <ttx> (for packages other than eucalyptus)
[14:46] <kirkland> ack
[14:46] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[14:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[14:47] <mathiaz> I've updated some of the urls
[14:47] <ttx> mathiaz: hey. haven't had time today to review the nominations, so you're on your own :)
[14:47] <mathiaz> so there are more bugs to review
[14:47] <mathiaz> dapper hasn't any bugs
[14:47] <ttx> mathiaz: you have 8 minutes :)
[14:48] <mathiaz> hardy has 5 nomination
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug107224
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 107224
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 191884
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 252245
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 293000
[14:48] <mathiaz> bug 157215
[14:49] <ttx> 252245: -1, not even "solved" in lucid
[14:50] <mathiaz> well only bug 293000 is fixed released
[14:50] <ttx> mathiaz: shouldn't that be a prerequisite ?
[14:50] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[14:50] <mathiaz> so I'll decline all other bugs
[14:51] <ttx> even 293000 is not fixed in lucid
[14:52] <mathiaz> well - it's fixed released in debian
[14:53] <mathiaz> ok so anyone to comment on the hardy nominations?
[14:53] <mathiaz> if not - I'll decline all of them
[14:53] <ttx> mathiaz: +1 on 293000, it's probably fixreleased in lucid
[14:53] <mathiaz> on the basis that bugs should be fixed released in lucid first
[14:54] <ttx> mathiaz: ack
[14:54] <mathiaz> I'll skip the other lists as we running out of time
[14:54] <ttx> yes
[14:54] <mathiaz> and there a bunch of bugs
[14:54] <mathiaz> one last list to review:
[14:55] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:55] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:55] <mathiaz> the bugs that have been fixed last week
[14:55] <ttx> everyone: please review the lists before the meeting starts, so that you can participate in that discussion
[14:55] <mathiaz> anything worth?
[14:56] <ttx> nothing stood it on my quickreview
[14:56] <mathiaz> me neither
[14:56] <ttx> stood out ?
[14:56] <mathiaz> allright then
[14:56] <ttx> ok, thx mathiaz !
[14:56] <mathiaz> that's all for now
[14:56] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:57] <ttx> ivoks, jmdault: anything not completed on your specs by tomorrow needs to be adjusted: moved to FFe/beta1 or dropped
[14:57]  * dholbach mentions http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ again :)
[14:57] <jmdault> ttx: I updated the spec
[14:58] <ttx> jmdault: oh! I missed that, thanks !
[14:58] <ivoks> ttx: ok
[14:58] <ttx> dholbach: are we particularly sucking at this game, or are you just after everyone ?
[14:58] <dholbach> have a look at the list - it's HUGE
[14:58] <jmdault> ttx: the feedback I received so far was "Forget about the extra features, stick to Debian upstream as close as possible"
[14:58] <dholbach> and there's a lot of good fixes waiting in there
[14:59] <jmdault> ttx, I'll work with Debian long term instead
[14:59] <dholbach> ttx: so it's not YOU particularly :)
[15:00] <ttx> dholbach: ah :)
[15:00] <ttx> jmdault: I think it was a very short cycle to pull this off.
[15:01] <Daviey> jmdault: integration can diverge, and that is something that can be more Ubuntu specific as i don't think Debian's audience will appreciate it. But generally, small delta :)
[15:01] <ttx> ok, next meeting, same place, same time, next week.
[15:01] <ivoks> +1
[15:01] <ttx> anything else to add ?
[15:01] <Daviey> not here
[15:02] <ttx> ok, thanks everyone.
[15:02] <jiboumans> not here either. thanks ttx for covering
[15:02] <ttx> #endmeeting
[15:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:02.
[15:02]  * stgraber says Hi but has nothing to add :)
[15:02] <ttx> stgraber: i'll be on you in a few, for contextualization spec update ;P
[15:04] <stgraber> ttx: ok :)
[16:00] <tremolux> hey everybody
[16:00] <lool> Hey!
[16:00]  * tremolux looks to check who's missing
[16:00] <tremolux> lool: hey!
[16:00] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <tremolux> hi mvo!
[16:01] <mvo> hey tremolux
[16:01] <tremolux> looks like no doko, no barry
[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <mvo> pycon?
[16:01] <tremolux> mvo: yes, sounds right
[16:01] <tremolux> ok, we'll start
[16:01] <tremolux> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is tremolux.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <tremolux> agenda here:
[16:02] <tremolux> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0224
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0224
[16:02] <tremolux> so, first up, the ever popular
[16:02] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:02] <tremolux> I'll go first, then: lool, Keybuk, slangasek, cjwatson, ev, mvo, james_w
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:03] <james_w> aha!
[16:03] <tremolux> Spent beginning of this week working on bug fixes for Software Center.
[16:03] <tremolux> Fixed alpha-3 targeted bugs LP: #496058 and LP: #523420.
[16:03] <tremolux> These plus four other bug fixes released Tuesday with version 1.1.13.
[16:03] <tremolux> Now I am back to finishing up the back/forward navigation feature.
[16:03] <tremolux> (done)
[16:03] <lool> Mostly more FTBFSes and qemu and/or ARM versatile work; some reviews and some ARM porting; now I need to document how this all fits together
[16:03] <lool> (done)
[16:04] <tremolux> Keybuk: Scott, you around?
[16:04] <Keybuk> tremolux: yup, feeling better today thanks
[16:04] <tremolux> Keybuk: ah good  :)
[16:04] <Keybuk> was just arguing in another window and missed the start of the meeting
[16:05] <tremolux> hehe
[16:05] <Keybuk> Boot speed, boot speed, boot speed.
[16:05] <Keybuk> Going to tackle Plymouth for the rest of this week.
[16:05] <Keybuk> --
[16:06] <tremolux> slangasek: got lightning?
[16:07] <slangasek> alpha 3 all week
[16:07] <slangasek> NBS is down a bit from where it was, as is component-mismatches
[16:07] <slangasek> if you do an MIR for a package, don't forget to take care of its dependency tree :)
[16:07] <slangasek> --
[16:08] <tremolux> thanks Steve
[16:08] <cjwatson> done: holiday; firefighting for alpha-3; more gfxboot-update integration
[16:08] <cjwatson> blocked: design feedback for gfxboot-update: need icon representation of "press any key", and greeter styling
[16:08] <cjwatson> todo: console-setup -> upstart and quite possibly some kernel fixes, to fix plymouth interaction problems; tail-end of fix-iscsi-root
[16:08] <cjwatson> --
[16:08] <cjwatson> oh and also done, most of the work required to migrate to parted 2.1, awaiting FFe
[16:09] <ev> Seeing how solvable this install restricted extras as part of ubiquity is at this point in the release, writing some components of the new installer ui between activities to flesh out potential issues with the design, getting caught up on the pile of installer bugs, rewriting the installer's plugin orderer, catching up on email since Pycon.
[16:09] <ev> --
[16:09] <mvo> bugfixing for alpha-3, work on ratings&reviews django server (plus auth against ubuntu SSO), some apt updates, auto-upgrade test setup in DC
[16:09] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <mvo> I may require a python-apt FFe
[16:09] <mvo> (really done)
[16:09] <james_w> fixing bugs, package importer work and allowing more people to fiddle with it.
[16:09] <james_w> moving on to do some work that the LP need for building from branches.
[16:10] <james_w> (done)
[16:10] <tremolux> nice, thanks everybody
[16:10] <slangasek> tremolux: wrt software-center 1.1.13, you're aware this hasn't built yet at all? (so the alpha-3 targeted bugs haven't actually been fixed for anyone)
[16:10] <tremolux> slangasek: gah, I didn't know  :(
[16:10] <slangasek> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39612804/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.software-center_1.1.13_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39612804/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.software-center_1.1.13_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:11] <tremolux> slangasek: shoot, thanks for the head's up
[16:11]  * mvo will have a look at it, sorry
[16:11] <slangasek> 'swhat I'm here for ;)
[16:11] <cjwatson> missing build-dep on po4a
[16:12] <tremolux> alrighty
[16:12] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:12] <tremolux> I don't see anything, anyone?
[16:13] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:14] <tremolux> I know I have one, for back/forward navigation
[16:14] <tremolux> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-software-center-ui-improvements
[16:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-software-center-ui-improvements
[16:16] <cjwatson> I filed one this week, bug 511075, and just answered slangasek's question on it; the reason this didn't happen earlier is mainly that it was blocked on the lvm2/devmapper merge
[16:16] <ev> I may have one, for adding functionality to the installer to download and install ubuntu-restricted-extras (including running the decss script), as mentioned in the lightning round
[16:17] <cjwatson> as noted in the lightning round, I'm still concerned about the gfxboot-update work
[16:17] <cjwatson> but am doing more or less everything in my power about that
[16:18] <james_w> I probably have minor one for bzr-builddeb for something that is probably a feature, even though it fixes a bug :-)
[16:19] <tremolux> that blurry feature/bug line
[16:19] <tremolux> :)
[16:20] <james_w> I find that there's a relationship between the likelyhood of getting an FFe and the number of RM-reported bugs fixed in the upload, so I always hold back bug fixes from the release team until after FF ;-)
[16:20] <tremolux> anything else here?
[16:21]  * slangasek smirks at james_w
[16:22]  * tremolux knows almost nothing about the intricacies of FFes
[16:22] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:22] <tremolux> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21445
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21445
[16:22] <cjwatson> hmm, I moved bug 506418 to alpha-3, but I'm inclined to push it back to beta-1 again
[16:23] <cjwatson> any objections?
[16:24] <lool> slangasek: We wont get 524893 for linux, but it's really not a big issue; it makes the versatile netboot initrd useless, but the kernel is still useful
[16:24] <slangasek> cjwatson: seems fairly inevitable
[16:24] <lool> Actually I could workaround that in d-i by using ext2 initrd
[16:24] <lool> (CONFIG_CRAMFS=m but CONFIG_EXT2=y)
[16:25] <cjwatson> err, cramfs?  we stopped using that in d-i yonks ago
[16:26] <lool> cjwatson: Yes, but we have a bug that prevents initramfs from working and CRAMFS would actually provide initrd support as a fallback
[16:26] <cjwatson> ugh
[16:26] <lool> The bug is likely in qemu, but I'm not sure I'll figure it out
[16:26] <slangasek> lool: I'd prefer not to be piling workarounds into d-i the day before the milestone; the set of folks looking to use versatile is fairly small, isn't it?  wouldn't it be enough if there were a daily available within a week or so of a3 that can be used?
[16:26] <cjwatson> perhaps it's a cpio-endianness problem
[16:27] <lool> slangasek: Right, actually I just thought of this option to fix the image, but it's really not critical for A3 (hence low priority); i've sent a patch to linux to set CRAMFS=y post-A3 as a more permanent workaround
[16:27] <lool> cjwatson: Hmm that's interesting
[16:27] <slangasek> ok
[16:27] <Keybuk> and let's not use code that nobody's tested in years
[16:28] <Keybuk> I didn't even know we still had cramfs in our kernels! :D
[16:29] <cjwatson> that's down to 12 a3 bugs
[16:29] <cjwatson> what about this rsyslog thing (bug 523610)?
[16:29] <cjwatson> affects upgrades from a2
[16:29] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I'm looking at that now
[16:30] <cjwatson> but doesn't necessarily have to go into the a3 images - it would be sufficient to have it ready for when a3's announced
[16:30] <slangasek> since it's upgrades that are hit, we shouldn't need to respin, yeah
[16:30] <Keybuk> right
[16:30] <cjwatson> and then there's the three update-manager bugs, and one unattended-upgrades
[16:31] <cjwatson> mvo, status of those for a3?
[16:31] <cjwatson> bug 463506 doesn't look critical
[16:32] <mvo> none of these are really criticial I think
[16:32] <slangasek> not critical, but I believe they're there because they were fixed in SRU?
[16:32] <mvo> I work on them today
[16:32] <cjwatson> I don't see SRU traces in those bugs ...
[16:32] <mvo> I put them there mainly as a reminder to get them fixed early
[16:32] <slangasek> oh, ok
[16:32] <mvo> (as a reminder to myself)
[16:33] <slangasek> mvo: the documented convention for such is to use the milestone without release targeting
[16:33] <slangasek> so you can have your own reminders without the release team nagging ;)
[16:33] <mvo> oh, sorry
[16:33]  * mvo will remember that
[16:34] <cjwatson> ok, so that's all our milestoned bugs accounted for
[16:35] <tremolux> cool, then
[16:35] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Targeted bugs
[16:35] <tremolux> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Targeted bugs
[16:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[16:35] <cjwatson> loads of targeted bugs
[16:35] <cjwatson> I really must deal with that grub2 sru at the top
[16:37] <tremolux> anything more here?
[16:37] <cjwatson> not sure we should sit going through them all here, but it would be worth everyone's time to have a glance through
[16:38]  * slangasek nods
[16:38] <tremolux> ok
[16:38] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Sponsorship queue
[16:38] <tremolux> [LINK] http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship queue
[16:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:38] <cjwatson> I was going to this week, but ran into the a3 freeze ... I'm going to move my regular sponsorship day to friday
[16:38] <dholbach> Please help out with sponsoring: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ - it now shows packageset information! new contributors will love you for your feedback and review!
[16:38] <dholbach> :-)
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'm sure I get less done on average by it being on tuesday
[16:39] <slangasek> is http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ a complete replacement for http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/?
[16:39]  * tremolux is utterly useless in this regard
[16:39] <dholbach> slangasek: the latter redirects
[16:39] <tremolux> ah, I'll change the link in the meeting wiki
[16:40] <dholbach> plus does the new one have branches :)
[16:40] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any business from activity reports
[16:40] <tremolux> I didn't see any
[16:40] <tremolux> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:40] <tremolux> who's got some?
[16:41] <slangasek> I have a request under AOB, which isn't necessarily good news :-)
[16:41] <tremolux> I have a couple of annoying software center bugs fixed and nobody's get the fixes yet  :D
[16:41] <slangasek> when everyone has had a chance to put out their personal fires wrt stuff that's behind schedule, it would be great to have some eyeballs on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/lucid_probs.html
[16:41] <cjwatson> as of end of the week before last (been on holiday since then), ubiquity's partitioner is five times faster than in karmic - at least in my benchmark :)
[16:42] <slangasek> things like ibus-pinyin uninstallable because a version that was uninstallable in Debian unstable was merged
[16:43] <cjwatson> I've noticed that there seems to be a process hole wrt things being added to language-support, and MIRs
[16:43] <cjwatson> the two don't seem to go hand in hand as a rule
[16:45] <tremolux> so I think we are already into
[16:45] <tremolux> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:45] <tremolux> anything else?
[16:45] <tremolux> oh, would somebody like to chair the next meeting?
[16:46] <slangasek> I think I might be due, which is not quite an answer to the question you asked ;)
[16:46] <tremolux> heh
[16:46] <tremolux> slangasek: it's good enough, thanks  :)
[16:46] <tremolux> so, are we done then?
[16:47] <tremolux> 3
[16:47] <tremolux> 2
[16:47] <tremolux> 1
[16:47] <tremolux> thanks a lot, everybody!
[16:47] <tremolux> #endmeeting
[16:47] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:47.
[16:47] <ev> thanks!
[16:47] <Keybuk> thanks
[16:47] <slangasek> thanks, all
[16:47] <mvo> thanks
[16:58]  * ara waves
[16:58] <sbeattie> hey
[16:59] <bdmurray> hi
[17:00]  * fader_ waves.
[17:01] <ara> marjo told me that he couldn't make it for today's meeting. I will be chairing the meeting
[17:01]  * bladernr_ waves
[17:01] <ara> so, let's start, it should be a quick one
[17:02] <ara> #startmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is ara.
[17:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <ara> Agenda:
[17:02] <ara> # Introduce Jeff Lane
[17:02] <ara> # Alpha 3 Testing and optional testcases -- ara
[17:02] <ara> # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:02] <ara> [TOPIC] # Introduce Jeff Lane
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Introduce Jeff Lane
[17:03] <ara> Everybody, please, welcome bladernr_, our new Canonical QA member
[17:03] <sbeattie> welcome bladernr_ !
[17:03]  * bladernr_ waves at the world
[17:03] <fader_> bladernr_: welcome!
[17:03]  * YokoZar waves
[17:03] <ara> bladernr_, welcome!
[17:03] <davmor2> hello bladernr_
[17:03] <ara> bladernr_, can you explain a bit about you?
[17:04] <bladernr_> perhaps ;-)
[17:04] <bladernr_> I just started on Monday and officially I'm a Hardware Certification Engineer.
[17:04] <bdmurray> Like what your irc nick is about?
[17:04] <bladernr_> Worked for Red Hat in support and Hardware Certification way back when
[17:04] <bladernr_> and similar stuff at IBM.
[17:04] <bladernr_> heh... it's an old one.  bladernr came from the movie Bladerunner
[17:04] <fader_> bdmurray: I might have to ask for your geek card.
[17:04] <davmor2> bdmurray: bladerunner ;)
[17:05] <bladernr_> I've been using it since WAY back when BBSs were the rule
[17:05] <cr3> davmor2: I think bdmurray figured that out, but the question is mostly "why" I suspect
[17:05] <fader_> :)
[17:05] <davmor2> cr3: :)
[17:05] <bladernr_> cr3:  the WHY is just that I loved that movie, and have a thing for weird futures and post-apocalyptic tales
[17:05] <bladernr_> and Zombies
[17:06] <ara> bladernr_, do we need to pass the test?
[17:06] <hggdh> heh
[17:06] <bladernr_> ??
[17:06] <bladernr_> perhaps... but do you dream of electric sheep?
[17:06] <ara> :D
[17:06]  * hggdh found the sheep's batteries dead
[17:07]  * davmor2 doesn't dream I just unplug from the matrix from time to time
[17:07] <ara> OK, bladernr_welcome to the mad house again! hope you enjoy it :)
[17:07] <YokoZar> blademr_, have I seen you in person yet?  (have you been to a UDS pre-hire?)
[17:08] <bladernr_> thanks!  I am already.  Madness is catching, it seems
[17:08] <bladernr_> Nope
[17:08] <bladernr_> YokoZar:  ^^
[17:08] <bladernr_> I've not met any of you in person
[17:08] <bladernr_> And i'm trying to decide if I should grow the Neckbeard of Power before I do ;-)
[17:09] <cr3> bladernr_: a beard will definately inspire respect
[17:09] <fader_> Or fear and loathing
[17:10] <bladernr_> Hah... I'll have to point y'all to the pics of the beard... from last year
[17:10] <bladernr_> or better, the mutton chops and handlebar
[17:10] <cr3> bladernr_: last year, there was a "Beards of PyCon" photo album
[17:10] <ara> OK, next topic, or this can last all day! :D
[17:11] <cr3> ara: you're just sad you can't talk about beards :)
[17:11] <ara> that's because I shave everyday
[17:11] <fader_> cr3: http://www.google.com/products?q=fake+beard
[17:11] <marjo> what is going on here!?
[17:11] <cr3> ara: agreed, lets move on
[17:11] <fader_> ara: You said marjo wouldn't be here!
[17:12] <marjo> i thot this was the QA team meeting?
[17:12] <ara> we were "welcoming" bladernr_
[17:12] <marjo> i'm waiting in the lobby for my screed meeting that's having tech problems
[17:12] <marjo> spreed, i meant
[17:13] <ara> ok, let's move on
[17:13] <ara> [TOPIC] Alpha 3 Testing and optional testcases -- ara
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha 3 Testing and optional testcases -- ara
[17:13] <ara> As you all know, Lucid Alpha 3 is due for... tomorrow! and ISOs need to be tested as usual
[17:14] <ara> Desktop ISOs are being respun now, but alternate are safe to test
[17:14] <YokoZar> Could I ask the current status of plymouth?  Initial testing on a few images last week required manual removal of the package to prevent hard lockups
[17:15] <ara> for the new people, here's some documentation for ISO testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[17:15] <ara> YokoZar, nVIDIA?
[17:15] <YokoZar> Yeah
[17:15] <fader_> I'd add that if anyone has any questions about testing or wants to help but doesn't know where to start, please feel free to ask in #ubuntu-testing
[17:16] <YokoZar> So far it's the only ISO-blocking issue I've seen
[17:16] <ara> YokoZar, you can check how people are dealing with it at: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/94_419.html
[17:16] <hggdh> I just tried the server amd64 on kvm -- installation was OK, failed to boot (bug 524434?)
[17:16] <cr3> if anyone is preseeding the desktop image, note that you might need: d-i base-installer/kernel/backports-modules string nouveau
[17:16] <YokoZar> There's the link I was looking for, thanks ara
[17:17] <ara> In this testing cycle you will see some "optional testcases"
[17:18] <ara> this means that they are optional for release, meaning, if they are not covered is not that critical
[17:19] <ara> any other comment on this topic?
[17:19] <fader_> ara: Just that I'm zsyncing now :)
[17:19] <ara> reading seed.... 100% CPU ;-)
[17:20] <sbeattie> really? Hrm.
[17:20] <ara> ok, next?
[17:20] <ara> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[17:20] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past two weeks (since 2010-02-10):
[17:20] <sbeattie> * karmic: 18 new package in -proposed (bansheelyricsplugin, cryptsetup, ddclient, eucalyptus, foomatic-filters, gcalctool, gnome-games, ifupdown, landscape-client, language-packs, libapache2-mod-authz-unixgroup, libdvdnav, linux-ec2, linux-fsl-imx51, python-bzutils, recordmydesktop, samba, ubuntu-dev-tools) and 8 packages pushed to -updates (cups, foomatic-filters, gscan2pdf, krb5, libxml2, linux-firmware, metacity, rxvt-unico
[17:20] <sbeattie> de)
[17:21] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (amsn, landscape-client)
[17:21] <sbeattie> * intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (landscape-client)
[17:21] <sbeattie> * hardy: 5 new packages in -proposed (evolution-data-server, linux, mozplugger, php5, virtualbox-ose-modules)
[17:21] <sbeattie> * dapper: no SRU activity
[17:21] <sbeattie> Thanks to Kamal Mostafa, Mitch Towner (kermiac), Sean Cassidy, Myriam Schweingruber, Fredrik Olofsson, Besterino, Arne Christensen, Karl Palsson, Otus, machrider, Gregory Fong, yarly, Robert Toscano, and Michael Jeanson for testing packages in -proposed.
[17:22] <sbeattie> karmic's list of packages is growing a bit long, so if, after alpha 3 iso testing, people wanted towork on getting those through, that'd be really appreciated.
[17:22] <sbeattie> (that's all I have.)
[17:23] <ara> OK, I will add, for the new people... if they want to learn about the SRU process
[17:23] <ara> they can check documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[17:24] <sbeattie> Ah, yes, the list of packages awaiting verification in -proposed is at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:24] <YokoZar> Just a comment, but I believe it's understood at this point that upon Lucid release it will be demanding more SRUs for longer then any previous release
[17:24] <YokoZar> "for longer" in the sense that hardy and dapper SRUs have died down a bit
[17:25] <ara> OK, that's it? Any other topics?
[17:25] <bladernr_> ara:  thanks for the links
[17:25] <sbeattie> YokoZar: well, yes, it'll be the latest LTS and the focus of most attention (as well as point releases)
[17:26] <ara> bladernr_, if you don't know what a LTS release is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[17:26] <YokoZar> Just wanted to mention I've begun work hooking winetest into checkbox locally
[17:27] <ara> YokoZar, nice!
[17:27] <sbeattie> YokoZar: cool! Are you running into any issues?
[17:27] <bladernr_> ara:  I do... thanks though.
[17:27] <YokoZar> Upstream winetest is a (constantly growing) set of unit tests of various open gl functions
[17:27] <cr3> YokoZar: awesome!
[17:27] <YokoZar> Which makes it good for seeing if wine works, but also it's good at crashing video drivers
[17:27] <sbeattie> YokoZar: ooh, that's really handy.
[17:28] <cr3> YokoZar: is winetest integrated into phoronix already?
[17:28] <YokoZar> cr3: no
[17:28] <YokoZar> So one issue I have is that Wine has a separate place for submitting their test results, where they want you to enter an email address and some info about the machine
[17:28] <YokoZar> But with checkbox we use launchpad
[17:29] <YokoZar> And I'm not quite sure how to pull that data out of the launchpad account, or if that's even something I should do
[17:29] <cr3> YokoZar: is it possible to override submitting to wine? or, do we want to do that?
[17:29] <YokoZar> I believe we want to do that
[17:29] <YokoZar> The tests are as useful to them as us
[17:29] <cr3> YokoZar: is it possible to submit tests anonymously?
[17:29] <YokoZar> Especially as we start stabilizing Lucid
[17:30] <cr3> in other words, is there any particular reason why wine wants an email address? if so, what do they intend to do with it and what prevents me from entering<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:30] <YokoZar> cr3: The email address is a recent addition so they could ask more about the failures
[17:31] <YokoZar> They were getting a bit too many reports with incomplete machine information
[17:31] <cr3> YokoZar: isn't the solution to gather the missing information?
[17:31] <YokoZar> I suppose we could enter an "email address" that just points to the launchpad checkbox report, which would have more complete info
[17:31] <YokoZar> cr3: well they also wanted to have a means of retesting the same machine
[17:32] <YokoZar> The test suite gets updated frequently
[17:32] <YokoZar> And sometimes the tests themselves are "wrong" (although for our purposes a bad test that causes a crash is still helpful)
[17:32] <cr3> YokoZar: we could provide a real email address by writing a checkbox plugin, which could reuse the launchpad email address
[17:32] <YokoZar> This might be a place to use liblaunchpad
[17:33] <YokoZar> I'll go ask upstream if a link to the launchpad account test result page would be sufficient
[17:33] <cr3> YokoZar: there are a few possibilities which might go beyond the scope of this meeting, perhaps we can continue in #ubuntu-testing afterwards
[17:33] <YokoZar> Yeah
[17:33] <ara> thanks YokoZar
[17:33] <YokoZar> Anyway, that's that :)
[17:33] <ara> any other topics?
[17:34] <ara> none?
[17:34] <ara> OK, I think we can wrap up the meeting, then
[17:34] <ara> #endmeeting
[17:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:34.
[17:34] <ara> Thanks everybody!
[17:34] <marjo> ara: thx!
[19:03]  * Lns pours some coffee
[19:07]  * stgraber waves
[19:07]  * stgraber pokes highvoltage
[19:07]  * sbalneav contemplates losing his job
[19:07] <stgraber> sbalneav: ?
[19:08] <sbalneav> Board chair here's taken a dislike to me, apparently.    I may need it soon :)
[19:09] <sbalneav> Anywho, enough of my moaning :)
[19:09] <sbalneav> Onto the meeting.
[19:10]  * Lns looks around for highvoltage
[19:10] <Lns> sbalneav: I say all us edubuntuers pitch in and pay you a salary to work on it fulltime =)
[19:10] <stgraber> I'm trying to poke him, he's unresponding on jabber and IRC for now, trying good old phone :)
[19:10] <Lns> oldschool!
[19:11] <stgraber> ok, he's there now :)
[19:11] <highvoltage> hi!
[19:12] <highvoltage> sorry just had to finish off something
[19:12] <stgraber> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[19:12] <sbalneav> Lunch?
[19:12] <sbalneav> A beer?
[19:12]  * highvoltage applauds sbalneav too and hands over a beer
[19:12] <highvoltage> sbalneav: no, taxes :/
[19:13] <sbalneav> I have some art/something updates
[19:13] <mhall119|work> hello
[19:13] <stgraber> ok, I'll start with the tech stuff then
[19:13] <stgraber> that should be quick
[19:14] <sbalneav> oh, bug day update too,
[19:14] <stgraber> Edubuntu DVD is building correctly, I included KDE's langpacks to the mix as we carry quite a lot of KDE packages. Other than that, I haven't had the time to nag lamont about LTSP live but will do soon.
[19:14] <stgraber> the Menu editor should be dropped from the agenda as it's in Edubuntu now and working well
[19:14] <sbalneav> Huzzah
[19:14] <Lns> woo!
[19:15] <highvoltage> ok
[19:15] <stgraber> LTSP live as I mentioned is now in universe (ltsp-livecd) and will be included in the live session though I need to get my code reviewed by lamont to pull the LTSP chroot in the DVD
[19:15] <stgraber> thanks to highvoltage for the ltsp-livecd script and diff
[19:15] <mhall119|work> yay!
[19:15] <stgraber> How and I released LTSP 5.2, LDM 2.1 and LTSPfs 0.6 but I guess you're all aware of that already :)
[19:15] <highvoltage> well it's incomplete but at least the package is in for FF!
[19:15] <Lns> stgraber: yeah slashdot told me =)
[19:15] <stgraber> it's been over 150000 visits on my blog btw
[19:16] <Lns> nice!!
[19:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: wow, awesome!
[19:16]  * mhall119|work has been neglecting /. lately
[19:16] <stgraber> and here's the new (Ed)Ubuntu member :)
[19:16] <mgariepy> sorry, i'm late.
[19:16] <stgraber> other than that, it's all on my side.
[19:16]  * stgraber gives the mic to sbalneav
[19:17] <sbalneav> Did some looking at the bugs yesterday, but got sidetracked by work issues.
[19:17] <sbalneav> I figure I'll put in a solid 8 hours worth of some bug fixing this weekend on the edu apps
[19:17] <sbalneav> there's a few patches in there, we'll see if applying them works.
[19:18] <sbalneav> We need a patch to the edubuntu-colors theme to prevent the "murrine defaults" error some of you may have seen
[19:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: if any of them are universe packages, please give me a poke
[19:19] <highvoltage> the edubuntu-artwork package is in universe at least. there's also a bug regarding the icon theme so we'll have to do an update anyway
[19:20] <Lns> highvoltage: what's that bug?
[19:21] <highvoltage> Lns: I haven't filed it yet (oops), the Breathe icon theme is installed but the icon chooser says it can't find it, and then right beneath that it lists it
[19:21] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ok, will do.
[19:21] <Lns> oh gotcha
[19:21] <highvoltage> Lns: probably just some weird naming thing. I first thought it was case related but that's fine
[19:21] <Lns> I had an issue with (i think) the default gartoon theme, it didn't have icons for places/system menu iirc
[19:22] <Lns> i might be mistaking for a different theme though..;
[19:22] <highvoltage> it's been on my to-do list since last week, but besides the packages we got in for FF I've had 0 time for other edubuntu related things the last 7 days
[19:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: sorry about that :)
[19:22] <highvoltage> Lns: I believe the gartoon-redux theme that sbalneav pointed out fixes that
[19:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, no don't be! :)
[19:22] <Lns> sweet
[19:23] <highvoltage> (sorry for silent space I'm just loading release schedule)
[19:24] <highvoltage> alpha 3 is due for tomorrow
[19:25] <highvoltage> stgraber: which images must be tested, todays daily build or tomorrows?
[19:25] <stgraber> whatever is on iso.qa.ubuntu.com should be tested
[19:25] <stgraber> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all
[19:26] <highvoltage> oh cool, it's in there already!
[19:26] <highvoltage> so everyone please test those isos if you have the chance!
[19:26] <highvoltage> I can probably do at least some of the i386 testint tonight
[19:27] <sbalneav> Lns: yeah, have a look at the gartoon-redux, it's in my ppa
[19:28] <highvoltage> stgraber: do you think it would be better to get a FFE for gartoon-redux, or include it in the edubuntu-artwork package for Lucid?
[19:28] <highvoltage> oh wait, I'm being dumb
[19:28] <stgraber> I'd better have it a separate package, though it's not a feature so shouldn't need a FFe
[19:28] <highvoltage> we don't need a FFE for artwork packages I think
[19:29] <mhall119|work> oh good
[19:29] <highvoltage> oh good news is that the qimo-games package made it into the archives at least
[19:29] <sbalneav> Art's not a feature, it's an expression of the hopes, dreams an aspirations of Man!  Art LAUGHS at your freezes!
[19:30] <mhall119|work> hopefully qimo-artwork and qimo-session will be accepted once I make some chances to the license files
[19:30] <Lns> sbalneav: get a haircut, hippie! =p~
[19:30] <sbalneav> thbthbthbthbthbthb </raspberry>
[19:30] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: yes I think they should go fast now
[19:30] <mhall119|work> which I haven't done yet, because I spent all my time fixing loco-directory and preparing for teaching in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:31] <mhall119|work> oh, and doing some paid work every once in a while
[19:31] <highvoltage> yeah I guess everyone has to do some paid work every now and again :)
[19:32] <mhall119|work> it wouldn't be so bad if someone was paying me to work on Qimo and loco-directory
[19:33] <highvoltage> I don't know. sometimes some things are just better not doing as part of your paid job. I've done a lot of non-profit work before and I've seen some people's passions just drained when it became their day-job and they didn't enjoy it so much anymore
[19:34] <alkisg> Yup :)
[19:34] <highvoltage> anything else we need to cover for the meeting? I think for the larger part, most of the to-do items from last week still needs some attention, and we also need to test the iso for the 23rd
[19:34] <mhall119|work> oh I agree
[19:35] <mhall119|work> i meant it would be nice to get my currently salary, while working on what I wanted
[19:35] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: *nod*
[19:35] <mhall119|work> so really, I just need a wealthy benefactor to support my life of luxury
[19:35] <mhall119|work> maybe a cosmonaut or something
[19:36] <mhall119|work> I have something I'd like to discuss when it's open-mic time
[19:36] <highvoltage> I'm incredibly lucky in that the company I work for gives me a whole day a week for Edubuntu/Ubuntu related work. that seems like an ideal situation to me.
[19:36] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: very nice
[19:36]  * highvoltage grabs the mic from sbalneav since he fell asleep and hands it to mhall119|work
highvoltage if you want any help in the live-ltspcd script tell me, I do have some code around that might prove useful</offtopic>
[19:37] <mhall119|work> okay, so I'm trying to gather people for a doc-jam for Global Jam weekend
[19:37] <mhall119|work> my plan is to document edu-games
[19:37] <highvoltage> alkisg: great! yes you're the first person I would think of for that and I'll certainly call on you
[19:37] <mhall119|work> is there a currently list of games included by edubuntu?
[19:38] <mhall119|work> "a currently", I fail grammar
[19:39] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: there might be on the wiki, if there is it's probably out of date. ditto for the website
[19:39] <mhall119|work> I'd like to at least document names, category, description, age recommendations and perhaps a screenshot
[19:39] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: we've changed the seeds for lucid a bit to include some more things from universe
[19:39] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: okay, how about a package list?
[19:39] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I can get that for you if you want
[19:39] <mhall119|work> that would be appreciated, thanks
[19:39] <highvoltage> or... you could get it directly from the seeds, one moment...
[19:40] <mhall119|work> also, do you know if Ubuntu gets it's screenshots from the Debian screenshot database?
[19:40] <highvoltage> or I'll get it for you lateer :)
[19:40] <mhall119|work> later would be fine
[19:40] <mhall119|work> global jam isn't until end of march
[19:40] <mhall119|work> though I'll probably build out templates on the wiki before thenm
[19:40] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I believe it does, since it shows a debian logo when there is no screenshot available
[19:40] <mhall119|work> ok, so I'll make sure we submit something there if no screenshot exists
[19:41] <mhall119|work> even if it's just me doing the jam
[19:41] <mhall119|work> but if I offer free food, I can probably round up some others
[19:41] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: this is something quite dated but seems similar to your idea: http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[19:42] <mhall119|work> that looks pretty nice actually
[19:42] <mhall119|work> not a wiki though :(
[19:43] <Lns> mhall119|work: we could always start with the descriptions from the packages themselves (apt-cache show <packagename>).. Also I stole^H^H^H^H^Hwrote up some descriptions of *some* games at http://www.logicalnetworking.net/services/ubuntu_ltsp.html (search "Featured Educational Applications")
[19:43] <mhall119|work> Flash menus Lns?
[19:43]  * Lns sighs
[19:43]  * mhall119|work wags his finger
[19:43] <Lns> wasn't me!! =p
[19:43] <Lns> I'm getting my new site up and going anyway
[19:43] <Lns> wordpress =)
[19:44] <mhall119|work> wordpress == win
[19:44] <Lns> seriously...love it
[19:44] <mhall119|work> I'll pull from those resources to get started
[19:45]  * highvoltage knows lots of people who actively hate it, but that's another discussion
[19:45] <mhall119|work> it's better than drupal
[19:45] <Lns> better than b2evo
[19:46] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: wordpress has a worse security history and has worse coding practices and worse performance, but I like its interface and it works well for me and it requires less setup to work nicely as a blog out of the box which is why I continue using it for myself
[19:46] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: and I also like how easy it is to keep it up to date
[19:47] <Lns> yeah..security issues aside, I just pin the wordpress package in debian and update it manually
[19:47] <highvoltage> anything else for this meeting?
[19:47] <mhall119|work> also, I've tried to write Drupal modules
[19:47] <Lns> mhall119|work: I'll gladly help you w/doc jam, ping me for any help you need
[19:48] <mhall119|work> sure
[19:48] <Lns> screenshots, vids, etc.. I've been wanting to create some video demos of edu apps anyway
[19:48] <sbalneav> sorry, called away for a bit.
[19:48] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: yep and ping the mailing list as well about it :)
[19:48] <Lns> +1 highvoltage
[19:48]  * sbalneav cedes mike
[19:48] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: will do
[19:48] <mhall119|work> ceding me?
[19:48] <highvoltage> heh, as in "mic"
[19:48] <mhall119|work> lol
[19:49] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: in many non-american places it's known as a "mike"
[19:49] <mhall119|work> really?
[19:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> hi
[19:49] <mhall119|work> I'm only known as "mike" in american places, so I guess it's okay
[19:49] <highvoltage> hi Ahmuck-Sr
[19:49] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: heh
[19:50] <highvoltage> ok let's move over to #edubuntu, I need to look at a bunch of translations so I'll only be there a bit later
[19:50]  * highvoltage hits the meeting over bong...
[19:50] <highvoltage> *bong*
[19:50] <mhall119|work> ouch!
[19:50] <Lns> don't break it now!
[19:50] <highvoltage> sorry didn't see you there mhall119|work
[19:51] <Ahmuck-Sr> ow, i missed it
[19:52] <highvoltage> t/win last


[18:05] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: are you around?
[18:05] <Pendulum> (just for a quick PM)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> sure


[07:21] <Rinchen> nixternal, ping
[07:21] <Rinchen> Are you ok with me assigning you the CSS bugs? Calendar and search results?
[07:22] <Rinchen> bug 2641 , bug 2642 , bug 2643
[07:22] <Rinchen> to evaluate and close if so desired?
[07:39] <Rinchen> nixternal, I just spoke with NewZ and I'm going to assign them to him.
[08:26] <Rinchen> I've also poked the sysadmins about the http vs https issue
[08:26] <Rinchen> it's happening partly because of the other services on the box (one of which I own)
[08:27] <Rinchen> unfortunately it won't be fixed for a bit as other items are in front of it.
[08:27] <beuno> great, at least things are moving!    will nixternal be able to play with the CSS?
[08:27] <beuno> I haven't seen the outcome of that
[08:27] <Rinchen> Yes. NewZ will contact Rich tomorrow morning about it
[08:30] <beuno> yay!
[08:30] <Rinchen> with luck all of the css items will be fixed tomorrow
[08:30] <LaserJock> good
[08:30] <LaserJock> the fridge frontpage makes me cringe
[08:31] <Rinchen> I'm not prepared to take action on Jenda's blueprint for translation yet. I need to progress further with NewZ on our previous improvement plan for the Fridge before I can reasonably consider it.
[08:31] <Rinchen> With only a small fraction of NewZ's time available, it's been slow.
[08:32] <Rinchen> however I've been working on items behind the scenes directly related other Fridge concerns which were never filed as bugs or blueprints.
[08:33] <beuno> Rinchen: any examples?
[08:34] <Rinchen> examples: yes but they are tied in with non-Fridge material which will be released shortly...so I have to beg off answering that question until they are announced.
[08:36] <jenda> heya
[08:36] <beuno> aaah, right, super secret stuff is always fun
[08:37] <jenda> Rinchen: what me there?
[08:37] <jenda> *what's me
[08:38] <Rinchen> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/rosetta-available
[08:38] <jenda> ah
[08:38] <jenda> :)
[08:38] <jenda> ok, I'm back off to work.
[08:39] <Rinchen> The working concept regarding that spec at the moment is that drupal is already translated so we could install those extra modules.  It's on the list but the execution of the list is a bit slow due to resources.
[08:40] <Rinchen> They'd have to go into a translation queue of some sort. So, while the UI might be in, say, Spanish, English text would need to be translated. The feed to that could then be used by Spanish Speaking LoCo's that have their own websties
[08:41] <Rinchen> er websites
[08:41] <Rinchen> We've also been toying with the idea of moving from Drupal to Django
[08:41] <LaserJock> oh really?
[08:41] <LaserJock> that'd be interesting
[08:41] <LaserJock> just for fridge?
[08:43] <Rinchen> no :-)
[08:43] <Rinchen> which is why it's not done yet
[08:44] <LaserJock> I imagine
[08:44] <LaserJock> although it's somewhat frustrating to keep changing things
[08:44] <LaserJock> many many ubuntu-related sites around the communit when to drupal because the main site did
[08:45] <LaserJock> and they could get the theme, etc.
[08:45] <Rinchen> Yeah, we wanted to know more about Django's possibility before we upgraded Drupal but then the security issue came about and chewed up research time so...it slowed us donw
[08:45] <LaserJock> mhm, makes sense
[08:45] <LaserJock> we were just tossing around the idea of using Django for MOTU
[08:45] <Rinchen> I haven't really mentioned django to the Fridge at whole yet (Rich and Daniel know about it)
[08:46] <Rinchen> because we're not sure we can support it
[08:46] <Rinchen> so I didn't want to get everyone's hopes up
[08:46] <LaserJock> now that our machine is ... moved I don't know what that'll do
[08:46] <LaserJock> I believe we might have to rewrite parts of REVU
[08:47] <Rinchen> If we were to roll out Django, there is a good chance we can use a single instance to support a number of areas (Fridge, websites, Motu, etc) but it would have to be cleared with our webmaster, IS, and marketing.
[08:47] <LaserJock> sure
[08:49] <Rinchen> Anyway, too many unknowns which is why I haven't mentioned this before. It's not a secret, it just hasn't been researched enough to know if it's feasible.
[08:59] <Rinchen> btw, if it does turn out to be feasible, we have the possibility of rather significantly improving the fridge editor's job.
[08:59] <Rinchen> which is what I'm after most at this point.


[02:27] <OvenWerks> is there a reason there are no beta 2 upgrade tests in the tracker?
[03:19] <OvenWerks> Ah, we have been respun again.
[03:36] <OvenWerks> I will have to resync
[08:09]  * smartboyhw adds upgrade builds to ISO QA Tracker
[08:10] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, I've added upgrade builds to the ISO QA Tracker, please report results accordingly, I'm going to write the testing announcement now.
[08:26] <smartboyhw> Hmm, this announcement is getting a bit "Lubuntu" style-.-
[08:28] <smartboyhw> Or rather, balloons stlye
[08:28] <smartboyhw> *styl
[08:28] <smartboyhw> *style\
[08:28] <smartboyhw> *stlye
[08:28] <smartboyhw> *style
[08:28] <smartboyhw> GRRRR
[08:28] <knome> flood alert
[08:29] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[08:29] <smartboyhw> My typo is a bit serious today
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Hmm, for the title maybe it's a good idea to include statistics:P
[08:42] <smartboyhw> zsyncing the amd64 image now
[10:10]  * smartboyhw starts testing
[10:12] <smartboyhw> I'm not expecting too many problems (since OvenWerks thinks it's quite good)
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Really nice wallpaper
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Wait, a bug
[10:19] <smartboyhw> When I do the installation (not via live session), the wallpaper isn't using the new wallpaper
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm.....
[10:19] <smartboyhw> I'm quite confident I saw the wallpaper during installation
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Oops, live session
[10:21] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, can you confirm the bug for me?
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Bug 1229651
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Anyone can think of any reasons? Looked through the bzr branch, no idea
[10:47] <smartboyhw> Hmm, lightdm theme doesn't work either
[10:47] <smartboyhw> But the session itself works
[10:48] <smartboyhw> I'm thinking that the lightdm theme isn't updated
[10:49] <smartboyhw> Huh, but it is
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Hmm, wait
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence_, did you ask for a upload of ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme?
[10:51]  * smartboyhw checks
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Damn, Riddell didn't unblock everything
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Let me ask again
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Phew, unblocked
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Requesting respin
[11:25] <zequence_> smartboyhw: No, I didn't
[11:25] <smartboyhw> zequence_, eh?
[11:27] <zequence_> I'm just on my way out the dorr
[11:27] <zequence_> Maybe some could arrange that?
[11:27] <zequence_> Though, not sure if it's needed.
[11:30] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence_ I'm respinning
[12:22] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, OvenWerks zequence_ please update your images to 20130924.1
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Hmm, the bug still hasn't been fixed. Let me see if lightdm-theme is happening wrongly
[12:49] <smartboyhw> I'm guessing it is a ubiquity bug
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Yeah! Found the place for the fix!
[12:58] <smartboyhw> zequence_, do you think it would be appropriate to respin only because of Bug 1229651?
[13:00] <smartboyhw> I don't think so:P
[13:17] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I don't know where the wallpaper isset for the installonly session.
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ubiquity
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Which the fix just went in.
[13:17] <smartboyhw> (But not uploaded)
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, you want a respin for that?
[13:17] <OvenWerks> Ok, the slide show was not updated either so that is ok
[13:18] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, eh? Is the slideshow planned for an update soon?
[13:18] <OvenWerks> in T
[13:18] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, that's a long way away, and now I'm not getting what your "OK" meant;P
[13:18] <OvenWerks> normally we do at least new first and last slides with the new backdrop
[13:19] <OvenWerks> ok to just leave it I think
[13:19] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, ah
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Let's just update it later;P
[13:20] <OvenWerks> We need to have a list of places to do the backdrop. Maybe use a link
[13:31] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, what a nice Virtualbox sound quality;p
[13:32] <smartboyhw> I can declare the image passed.
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Now, the upgrades (sigh)
[13:34] <smartboyhw> amd64 image marked as ready
[13:54] <OvenWerks> Yup setting and lightdm-theme made it to the wild since lastnight
[14:02] <OvenWerks> ok, upgrade i386 from terminal has passed. I will do resyncs for other tests tonight. Bye all
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Hello madeinkobaia :)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, awesome
[14:04]  * smartboyhw decides to do image testing first
[14:04] <smartboyhw> image upgrade testing, sorry
[14:05] <smartboyhw> The terminal upgrades will simply have to wait
[14:21] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, hi smartboyhw :)
[21:12] <OvenWerks> zequence_: I added a bluprint for installer. Feel free to change almost anything about it. I am most wanting to make sure I have the things I want to change listed.
[21:13] <OvenWerks> zequence_: Also, whats with: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/ubuntustudio-dev.html ?
[21:13] <OvenWerks> none of the items look like ours at all.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> As if it points at the wrong blueprints
[21:14]  * OvenWerks is off to pick up a son from school...
[21:47] <OvenWerks> the new respin.... seems to have picked up lightdm-theme but not settings :P
[21:50] <OvenWerks> I am guessing this will only affect the live session and not the install, as the upgrade was fine.
[22:45] <zequence_> OvenWerks: none of our blueprints are in there anymore. We don't really need to do that
[22:45] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Important thing is we know ourselves what we need to do
[22:45] <zequence_> no idea why it is showing all those other stuff
[22:47] <zequence_> might be because ubuntu-motu is a member for ubuntustudio-dev
[22:48] <zequence_> OvenWerks: You got the idea on how I had planned to do the blueprints. There's no big hurry though. I'm still working on that, and doing an announcement later on what the deal is
[22:52] <zequence_> OvenWerks: I only changed the name to ubuntustudio-installer-t, as all our blueprints might as well be Ubuntu release based. Meaning, we work to achieve a set of goals for each cycle
[22:52] <zequence_> Well, also the approver to ubuntustudio-core and the drafter to ubuntustudio-dev
[22:53] <zequence_> ..another reason for the blueprint name is you can't have several blueprints with the same name
[22:54] <OvenWerks> zequence_: no problem thankyou for fixing.
[22:54] <zequence_> it's quite possible to have several blueprints for each project. And theydon't need to be dependencies of the main ubuntustudio project
[22:54] <zequence_> we also don't need to have bluieprints for each and every project
[22:54] <OvenWerks> I could see that
[22:54] <zequence_> only those we want to work on
[22:55] <OvenWerks> Ya, but I think these are things that need to be fixed. The ones with my name are mostly done, just waiting for saucy to be out of the way
[22:56] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Wouldn't it be better it showed installed packages being toggled?
[22:56] <OvenWerks> zequence_: did you see my email?
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I could I guess. That may give the user the idea they can use this utility to remove things too.
[22:58] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Would be better, I think
[22:58] <OvenWerks> This would be problematic with our metas as it would remove the meta but not it's depends
[22:58] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Also, why should it exit, if there's nothing to install?
[22:59] <OvenWerks> It exits with a dialog telling the user there is nothing in the list to install
[23:00] <zequence_> The way metas are handled is not a installer problem. It's how apt works
[23:00] <zequence_> If you want it to uninstall everything depending on the metas, you should add something to allow for that to happen, or just let it funtion the way apt does
[23:00] <OvenWerks> So rather than showing an empty list it shows a box with an explanation of why there is nothing to display.
[23:01] <zequence-work> When is there nothing to install?
[23:01] <OvenWerks> uninstalls would be messy.
[23:01] <OvenWerks> There is nothing to install if all the possibilities are already installed
[23:01] <zequence-work> Ok, so it's an installer. But not an uninstaller?
[23:02] <zequence-work> Doesnt make much sense, does it?
[23:02] <OvenWerks> One step at a time.
[23:02] <OvenWerks> Once I have finished what I have, I can look at uninstalling
[23:03] <OvenWerks> there are people who have hinted they would like to be able to uninstall whatever the meta installed
[23:03] <zequence-work> OvenWerks: One thing that you might want to add, if you haven't already, is do an apt-get update before even reading the available packages
[23:03] <zequence-work> OvenWerks: If there's no update before, some packages might fail to install - as they might have been updated since berfore
[23:04] <zequence-work> This is a problem with Ubuntu Software Center, believe it or not
[23:04] <OvenWerks> For that matter could add a place for adding ppas
[23:05] <OvenWerks> But ya, update might be good, I already add some activity indication in there so it should be ok.
[23:05] <zequence-work> OvenWerks: The gnome2 overrides could be from the old Gnome days, but not sure.
[23:07] <OvenWerks> I will have a look through the change log sometime.
[23:08] <zequence-work> OvenWerks: I added a workitem for it. Might be good to do the apt-get update after accepting changes instead. This way opening the app will be faster. The only thing I'm concerned about is the first ever time you try to install something, if there is a database of packages for apt at all. Never checked that.
[23:09] <zequence-work> I'd rather we work at making it able to install/uninstall
[23:09] <zequence-work> and no matter if it removes the depencies for a meta. Each package will show anyway
[23:09] <zequence-work> That could be fixed later, if wanted
[23:10] <zequence-work> Also, if there are no packages to install/uninstall, that sounds more like an error. Like starting the application without arguments, or on a system that doesn't use apt and doesn't have packages with those name
[23:13] <zequence-work> What I meant was, making it able to remove dependencies for a meta could be fixed later


[06:02] <andrewlsd> Morning all, just here briefly today.
[06:07] <barrydk> More almal
[06:12] <andrewlsd> Môre barrydk
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:10] <Kilos> morning all
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> hi dan TinuvaMac
[07:21] <Kilos> danfowler  too
[07:26] <inetpro> goo mornings
[07:27] <Kilos> goo morning inetpro
[07:27] <danfowler> heyyyy
[07:27] <Kilos> the calender reminder thing works good ty
[07:27] <inetpro> hmm... at least it's Friday
[07:27] <Kilos> ya
[07:34] <Kilos> hi mazal  barrydk  MaNI2
[07:50] <mazal> More oom Kilos
[07:50] <mazal> And everyone else
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi mazal
[08:04] <pieter2627> morning mazal and all others
[08:04] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[08:10] <mazal> Morning pieter2627
[08:18] <magespawn> good morning
[08:18] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:18] <stickyboy> y u no
[08:18] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[08:18] <stickyboy> Kilos: ohai
[08:18] <stickyboy> South Africa is heading for wjl1ln31l
[08:28] <Kilos> what is that stickyboy  ?
[08:59] <stickyboy> Kilos: Africa's Worst New Internet Censorship Law Could Be Coming to South Africa
[08:59] <stickyboy> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/africas-worst-new-internet-censorship-law-could-be-coming-south-africa
[08:59] <stickyboy> :/
[08:59] <stickyboy> Encrypt all the things.
[08:59] <Kilos> ai!
[12:14] <Kilos> hmm... such a noisy channel
[12:26] <MaNI> various countries seem to want to ban encryption entirely
[12:27] <MaNI> wait what, I can't make a game and give it to people without applying for a permit first?
[12:27] <MaNI> wow
[12:28] <Kilos> lol
[12:48] <Mopkop> Hello all!
[13:03] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[13:18] <magespawn> good afternoon
[13:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn  q
[13:19] <Kilos> no q
[16:21] <gremble> o/
[16:21] <Kilos> hi gremble
[16:31] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[16:31] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[16:31] <gremble> I am well thank you
[16:31] <Kilos> just dont like the cold
[16:31] <gremble> I'm just so glad that it is friday
[16:31] <gremble> I'm so tired haha
[16:31] <Kilos> are you going to rest?
[16:32] <gremble> I'm not going to wake up at 5am
[16:32] <gremble> but no rest
[16:32] <gremble> Almost exams
[16:32] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> oh my , good luck
[16:33] <gremble> thanks
[18:07] <gremble> Doctor WHO!
[18:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:16] <superfly> Guess what time it is?!
[18:16] <Kilos> tell?
[18:17] <Kilos> 2.17
[18:17] <superfly> no, it's LOAD SHEDDING TIME!!!
[18:18] <Kilos> oh my
[18:19] <gremble> Good tymes
[18:22] <superfly> Kilos: have you learnt HTML yet?
[18:23] <Kilos> ai! superfly  its too much for me but i changed some stuff with the tools in google and it seems to be working
[18:24] <superfly> Kilos: it's not too much for you, I know you can do it. Just take it slowly and try out all the examples.
[18:24] <Kilos> ok ill try again
[18:24] <superfly> htmldog.com is still the best HTML-from-scratch tutorial I've ever seen.
[18:25] <Kilos> for normal peeps yes
[18:25] <superfly> Kilos: and you don't need a web site and an internet connection to do it. You can do it all on your computer. Just press "Ctrl+O" in Firefox or Chrome to open the file you edited.
[18:25] <Kilos> but ill give it another go
[18:26] <Kilos> that shoes my desktop
[18:26] <Kilos> shows
[18:32] <Kilos> oh
[18:34] <superfly> well, you'll need the site, but you don't need to host your code on some web site, you can just put it in a file on your computer
[18:34] <Kilos> aha
[18:37] <Kilos> looks like pro is gonna chair next meet
[18:38] <gremble> Why don't you host it Kilos?
[18:38] <Kilos> nono
[18:39] <Kilos> we trying to get new peeps to feel the power
[18:41] <Kilos> i cant keep up with what i have to do as is, so more thinking is more headaches
[18:49] <inetpro> good evening
[18:54] <inetpro> magespawn: really!?
[18:55] <inetpro> superfly: your loadshedding over?
[18:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:55] <superfly> "It's only just beguuuuun..."
[18:56] <inetpro> ai!
[18:56] <superfly> it started at 8, due to finish at 10
[18:56] <superfly> or soon thereafter
[18:57] <inetpro> ah, so you are on the mobile?
[18:57] <superfly> netbook + phone
[18:57] <inetpro> what do you have again, LG?
[18:58] <superfly> LG G2
[18:58] <inetpro> happy with it?
[18:58] <superfly> FAN tastic phone
[18:58] <inetpro> what was the price?
[18:58] <superfly> R4K
[18:59]  * inetpro feels like kicking magespawn
[18:59] <gremble> why?
[18:59] <inetpro> oh hi gremble
[18:59] <inetpro> gremble: all the spam
[19:00] <Kilos> ai! shame inetpro
[19:00] <Kilos> its his connection not him
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: black or white? and how much memory and storage?
[19:01] <Kilos> you becoming a real gumpy
[19:01] <superfly> black, 32G
[19:02] <superfly> 2G RAM, I think
[19:02] <superfly> *maybe* 3
[19:02] <inetpro> but Kilos, he won't see all our conversations anyway
[19:02] <superfly> can't remember, but it doesn't matter
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: nice!
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: inetpro grumpy? never!
[19:03] <Kilos> rofl
[19:06] <superfly> inetpro: bought it from the ZA Orange store
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: I remember you talking about it
[19:06] <superfly> took 6 weeksto get here
[19:06] <inetpro> looks like a good deal
[19:07] <inetpro> yikes! That is long...
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: how's the battery performance?
[19:09] <superfly> yeah. it's fine if you're expecting it, but not if you aren't. the G2 is a popular phone
[19:09] <superfly> inetpro: AMAZING
[19:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:25] <inetpro> good night oom...
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:27] <inetpro> oh superfly, have you checked you Trello menu? I don't think the power-ups are only for gold members
[19:28] <inetpro> your Trello menu*
[19:36] <superfly> nope
[19:43] <superfly> inetpro: actually, I think those power ups have always been there
[19:43] <superfly> I remember the "getting old" one from when we used to use Trello at work a few years ago
[19:44] <inetpro> nice to know, thanks for checking
[19:44]  * inetpro likes the aging and the calendar features
[19:45] <inetpro> voting could be useful as well but I don't think it is very visible to users
[19:51] <superfly> woo, power back on
[19:55] <inetpro> superfly: great!
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: have you ever seen or heard of https://www.mindmup.com/ ?
[19:56] <superfly> inetpro: have you ever used Freemind, BTW?
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: yes
[19:56] <superfly> ah
[19:57] <inetpro> this one looks like it's open source
[19:58] <superfly> indeed
[19:59]  * inetpro enjoyed VYM for some time
[19:59] <gremble> VYM?
[19:59] <inetpro> VYM for View Your Mind
[20:00] <inetpro> aptitude show vym
[20:00] <gremble> I use a pencil and paper for those things usually
[20:01] <inetpro> nice thing about mindmup is that you can collaborate online with others
[20:02] <inetpro> http://blog.mindmup.com/p/realtime-collaboration.html
[20:03] <gremble> That looks very cool
[20:06]  * inetpro agrees with gremble
[20:16] <inetpro> superfly: @Eskom_MediaDesk Eskom stopped load shedding at 21:50 on 22 May 2015. It is important to note that restoration of power takes longer in some areas.
[20:23] <superfly> inetpro: yep
[20:51] <gremble> "we have iPads in the afterlife? haha We have Steve Jobs"
[20:51] <gremble> Haha


[06:44] <ibrahim> hi
[06:48] <jmarsden> ibrahim: there is no class now.  Use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support.
[16:26] <jsjgruber> test
[17:47]  * awkwardusername is Away, Reason: ( Checking mock exam papers ) | Since: ( Monday, August 8, 2011. 00:49:02 ) Xlack v2.1
[18:33] <promithius> Hi! Does anyone know about the configuration file for init process in Ubuntu or Debian systems? Is it inittab like all the systems? Cause I don't see it in the /etc directory. Any idea?
[18:51] <BuZZ-T> promithius: /etc/inittab doesn't exist in Ubuntu, configfiles are located in /etc/init/. But please ask questions in #ubuntu, this is no support channel
[18:56] <promithius> BuZZ-T: Sorry about that. I'm learning about Linux & practice on Ubuntu.So thought, it'd be ok to ask here.  Yup! Have already got my ans from #ubuntu. Thanks for the help though.
[18:56] <BuZZ-T> np
[18:59] <promithius> Could you please tell me, what all are discussed  here in this IRC channel? If you don't mind..
[19:06] <jmarsden> promithius: This is a classroom.  Classes are scheduled on Ubuntu-related topics.  See http://is.gd/8rtIi for the schedule
[19:07] <jmarsden> !classroom
[19:07] <ubot2> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[19:12] <promithius> jmarsden, ubot2 : Thanks a lot!
[19:13] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  And... ubot2 is a bot, by the way, not a real person :)
[19:15] <promithius> Oh! we should respect the bots sometimes :)


[12:12] <luisp> Hi @nightstrike, no, Multipass is only distributed as a snap
[14:13] <nightstrike> That is disappointing


[08:31] <mup> Bug #1760744 changed: An error occurs when MAAS deploy Ubuntu 16.04.4 under UEFI mode on SystemX 3650 M5 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760744>
[15:10] <someone_> Hello, can somebody help me with my maas configuration?
[15:12] <someone_> I have a maas client set up, that provides an outdated IP to my clients when enlisting, leading to a failed enlisting of the client
[15:12] <someone_> Only solution I have found yet was nuking the maas client and setting it up from scratch again
[15:42] <mup> Bug #1769691 opened: UEFI Boot fails with TFTP Error PXE-E23 <pxe> <uefi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769691>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1769699 opened: Maas DNS not working on Vmware ESXi <dns> <esxi> <vmware> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769699>
[18:12] <mup> Bug #1769716 opened: [2.4] starting regiond wants to read rackd.conf <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769716>
[21:01] <mup> Bug #1769742 opened: R740xd Fails to Deploy 18.04 <dellserver:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769742>
[21:55] <mup> Bug #1769742 changed: R740xd Fails to Deploy 18.04 <curtin:New> <dellserver:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769742>


[00:32] <Cossan> flocculant: my poweradapter was broke.
[00:32] <Cossan>  WaynesKaffe>
[08:46] <sim642> Whenever my HP 840 laptop runs low on power and xubuntu enters sleep mode or something. After plugging in power and starting up, the fans drive at crazy speeds. Is there any better way to fix it than restarting everything?
[09:36] <flocculant> sim642: someone had a similar issue the other day - reported bug 1520242
[09:37] <flocculant> they also commented on the last answer in the stackexchange workround they posted in post #3
[10:17] <xubuntu76w> hi. How do I enable a USB mouse? Last time I hooked it up to my computer it did not work until I went into settings-->mouse and chose the mouse instead of the pad. Now the mouse alternative is not available.
[10:19] <xubuntu76w> I have tried all the USB ports but no luck
[10:23] <xubuntu76w> zzzzzz
[12:57] <Adrian_> Need help on installing bootloader
[15:21] <colombian_> &join
[15:32] <andyfied> hello
[16:20] <mariano> Is there a way to incorporate ubuntu's workspace view (for workspace management) on Xubuntu?
[16:29] <mariano> Is using compiz the best way to get workspace management like ubuntu's workspace switcher.
[16:33] <flocculant> mariano: I use something called Xfdashboard http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfdashboard/start
[16:33] <mariano> thank you, I'll give it a read. :)
[16:33] <flocculant> which afaik is in development - it does work, it's just not really pretty :D
[16:34] <flocculant> there is a xubuntu dev ppa holding that https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras
[22:29] <xubuntu83w> ,
[22:30] <xubuntu83w> hi
[23:28] <xubuntu95d> hey has anyone had a problem with their network manager not displaying any wireless connections on install of 15.10?