[08:52] <Miranda> if I delete windows and change to ubuntu, and my computer crashes, what should I do
[08:52] <marx2k> It's under the Settings menu, whack
[08:52] <bruenig> Miranda, turn it back on
[08:52] <kkathman> kalam well ctrl+alt+click and move mouse :)
[08:52] <zetheroo> I am trying to install Pidgin ...... but I get an error : checking for msgfmt... no
[08:52] <webpirate> You can search for ubuntu 3 in 1 script that will install it for you....but adobe FTP site is REALLY slow
[08:52] <Miranda> bruenig: but, if I turn it on, it doesn't turn on
[08:52] <Whack> oh, i found it :P
[08:52] <Avulture> bruenig,  i read in wikipedia that , there is also hardware terminals
[08:52] <eamonnd> I had a quick question: I have a live cd from 5.04 that a friend gave me a while ago and wanted to make a copy of fiesty onto it, is there any way to delete the contents of the old CD and replace them with new contents?
[08:52] <webpirate> if you give me your email I can send it to you...
[08:52] <kkathman> zetheroo:  pidgin isnt in the ubuntu repos
[08:52] <Le^stat> if u need to use windows...use Virtualbox
[08:53] <marx2k> Whack: see if that helps you
[08:53] <bruenig> Avulture, maybe you mean tty or virtual consoles
[08:53] <Le^stat> its fantastic
[08:53] <kkathman> zetheroo:  try gaim-beta - its the same thing basically
[08:53] <Whack> i have no idea what i'm looking for in here
[08:53] <Avulture> bruenig, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal
[08:53] <OrTigaS> hi i'm trying to upgrade to edgy eft and i type this 'gksu "update-manager -c" but it just only check for updates... how to upgrade it?
[08:53] <marx2k> Avulture: yep, ALT+CTRL+F1 through F6 brings you to a TTY
[08:53] <zetheroo> kkathman: umm... I know its not in the ubuntu repos.... but I am installing into Ubuntu..
[08:54] <kkathman> zetheroo:  so you downloaded the source and you are compiling?
[08:54] <marx2k> So even if youre in Gnome or KDE or whatever, you can always just switch directly to a TTY
[08:54] <bruenig> Avulture, yeah that's fine, I don't know what you want
[08:54] <zetheroo> kkathman: yes
 Give me your Email Address I will send you Script to install browser...mplayer plugins and flash..
[08:54] <kkathman> ok kewl good luck
[08:54] <Krimpet> hmm, i installed beryl, and it works like a charm -- but for some reason, if i switch to a virtual console, i get a bunch of crap on the TTY and the keyboard/mouse lock up -- does anyone know why?
[08:54] <Le^stat> whats a TTY?
[08:54] <marx2k> Krimpet: Thats weird
[08:54] <kkathman> zetheroo:  some of the libraries I dont think are available, but you might can get them from the pidgin site
[08:55] <marx2k> Lestat: virtual terminal
[08:55] <OrTigaS> anyone?
 then after install is done just type in firefox32 instead of firefox
[08:55] <Avulture> bruenig, do you think that voice commands could make terminals just old tenets?
[08:55] <bruenig> !ot | Avulture
[08:55] <fm> hi
[08:55] <ubotu> Avulture: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:55] <marx2k> Avulture,  no.. especially since voice commands would be very indirect and difficult to set up scripting :)
[08:55] <Tarkus> anyone know how i can get a desktop switcher cube in compiz-fusion? (right now its a 2 workspace, flat object)
[08:55] <Evanlec_> !firewall
[08:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:56] <zetheroo> kkathman: this is what I get > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37661/
[08:56] <client02_> yahoo mesenggrer
[08:56] <marx2k> Tarkus, provide 2 more desktops
[08:56] <Avulture> aha
[08:57] <marx2k> zeth, well, is that package installed?
[08:57] <fm> I just arrived at my new capus, there is internet but it keeps asking me for my network login and password everytime a new application tries to use the network... do you know how I could make ubuntu retain my identification?
[08:57] <fm> *campus
[08:57] <Avulture> ubotu, there is no chatter in that ##ubuntu-offtopic
[08:57] <Tarkus> marx2k, yeah. i know thats what im trying to do.
[08:57] <OrTigaS> hi i'm trying to upgrade to edgy eft and i type this 'gksu "update-manager -c" but it just only check for updates... how to upgrade it?
[08:57] <marx2k> Tarkus: just right click on the desktop icons and configure
[08:57] <Tarkus> marx2k, its set to 4
[08:57] <Miranda> fm: don't you have a campus login or cookies with your application?
[08:58] <marx2k> OrTigaS, "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"
[08:58] <zetheroo> marx2k: yes it is installed
[08:58] <xsteelwolf_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 48 not upgraded -> how do i upgrade?
[08:58] <marx2k> Tark: set it to 8 :)
[08:58] <zetheroo> marx2k: its in Synaptic as installed
[08:58] <Avulture> marx2k, is ubotu a Robot ?
[08:58] <davidthedrake> Avulture, yea
[08:58] <kkathman> zetheroo: google is your friend:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67088
[08:58] <xsteelwolf_> ubotu is a bot
[08:58] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[08:58] <marx2k> actually, Tark, have you gone into the conpiz settings manager to play with that?Av yes
[08:58] <Whack> argg... lol it shouldn't be this hard to get a mouse working
[08:58] <OrTigaS> marx2k: tnx
[08:58] <Le^stat> xsteelwolf_:  sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <marx2k> zeth: try reinstalling maybe?
[08:58] <fm> I got a login but it doesnt last, I log  in for mozilla, then I wanna launch bittorrent and I must log in again..
[08:59] <Miranda> fm: isn't there cookies on your console?
[08:59] <Tarkus> marx2k, yes. i have.. i thought it would be in there. but i cant find it anywhere.
 Did you find script?
[08:59] <GNine> whack... there is no spoon.. is that so hard to believe.. ?
[08:59] <Whack> hehe
[08:59] <marx2k> Tark: should be in the general options
[08:59] <Myrtti> Avulture: and it's #ubuntu-offtopic, not ##ubuntu-offtopic
[08:59] <omeow> If a script is in /etc/init.d/ does that mean it gets run at boot?
[08:59] <zetheroo> kkathman: thanks, but that really is a pointless thread
[08:59] <Whack> i guess it's possible this mouse is just hard-programmed to send home, end, and bksp keys, but that would be retarded
[08:59] <omeow> If not, how to I make things run at boot.
[09:00] <fm> I don't know Miranda, what are you talking about exactly?
[09:00] <OrTigaS> marx2k: its just fetch
[09:00] <Whack> omeow: yes
[09:00] <GNine> yet you still get fed.. there is something left to believe...
[09:00] <Miranda> fm: like cookies....
[09:00] <Avulture> Myrtti, Thanks
[09:00] <kkathman> zetheroo:  looked pretty pointed to me :)
[09:00] <marx2k> General Options/Desktop Size/Horizontal Virtual Size - Mine is set to 4, the Vertical size is set to 1 and number of desktops is set to 1
[09:00] <OrTigaS> didn't upgrade
[09:00] <bruenig> omeow, there is for some awfully ridiculous reason I'm sure a whole nest of symlinks in /etc/rc.# that are actually indicative of what is run
[09:00] <kkathman> libpurple is the thing thats not available IIRC
[09:00] <Whack> omeow: make sure it's chmod +x also
[09:00] <marx2k> OrTigaS, sounds like you dont need upgrades at the moment
[09:00] <webpirate> how can I register so I can send private messages?
[09:00] <zetheroo> kkathman: I already have gettext installed....
[09:00] <Tarkus> marx2k, aaah. thank you.. i would have never thought that would be it.
[09:00] <omeow> Alright, thanks whack.
[09:00] <kkathman> I was able to get this to install in openSUSE but not ubuntu
[09:00] <Avulture> marx2k, are you a memeber in that ubuntu offtopic :) ?
[09:01] <marx2k> Tarkus, let me know if ut wirjs
[09:01] <brand0con> i just attempted to set up a new hard drive as a dual boot with 2 partitions; one running ubuntu and the other running windows.  I had windows previously installed and was instructed to defrag the hard drive and use gparted on the disk to partition.  my xp partition is now corrupt but the ubuntu partition works fine.  how can i correctly turn this into a 2 partition dual boot solution?
[09:01] <marx2k> Avulture, nope
[09:01] <OrTigaS> marx2k:  ok tnx
[09:01] <zetheroo> kkathman: what does it mean "ensure this it is in your path"?
[09:01] <kkathman> they have a current libpurple there
[09:01] <Tarkus> marx2k, yup. works fine. thanks man
[09:01] <xsteelwolf_> can someone tell me why im able to make a file im getting kernel makefile not found at /libs/.... i already sudo apt-get install linux-source
[09:01] <marx2k> Tarkus, , no problem
[09:01] <Krimpet> webpirate: /msg nickserv help register
[09:01] <kkathman> zetheroo:  like put it in /usr/lib etc  - something thats in the system path
[09:01] <omeow> Last thing, after installing open-ssh server, and starting it, the following two errors pop up;
[09:01] <Whack> kkathman: $PATH is a variable to where your binaries are
[09:01] <omeow> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[09:01] <omeow> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[09:02] <omeow> Shouldn't that get generated automatically when you install the service and start it the first time?
[09:02] <Avulture> the offtopic channel is dead :S
[09:02] <marx2k> omeow, I think it should autogen that for you
[09:02] <zetheroo> kkathman: so anywhere in the root area?
[09:02] <omeow> Yeah.. I know. But for some reason it didn't.
[09:02] <kkathman> Whack:  yes, but there may be other things in the path than just binaries
[09:02] <kkathman> zetheroo:  well not anywhere - in the path
[09:02] <davetarmac> does anyone here know whatis happening in this situation? I boot my computer and logon, the wireless connection shown through nm-applet turns blue to indicate that I have joined a network then all the bars vanish, then come back, then vanish - all the time I'm not able to transfer information over the network.
[09:02] <Whack> yeah, scripts, anything that can run
[09:03] <webpirate> Cool I am registered....:)
[09:03] <GNine> am not
[09:03] <ferronica> currency converter availabe in ubuntu fiesty fawn GNOME, which will will give me current rates ?
[09:04] <zetheroo> kkathman: uh ... ok.... the path.... is there such a thing? if so how do I know whats the correct "path"?
[09:04] <kkathman> zetheroo:  in a terminal  cat $PATH to see whats in your current path
[09:04] <EliteInsane> can someone help me with the home folder permissions
[09:04] <webpirate> Most you have to enter rate....try the yahoo online calculator...
[09:04] <predaeus> XsteelWolf, what are you trying to build?
[09:04] <omeow> Is there any way I can force it to generate those files through the user interface?
[09:04] <marx2k> omeow, "man ssh_config"
[09:04] <Whack> EliteInsane: what do you want to know?
[09:05] <zetheroo> zeth@T60-Ubuntu:~/Desktop/pidgin-2.2.0$ cat $PATH
[09:05] <zetheroo> cat: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[09:05] <GNine> :-)
[09:05] <EliteInsane> whack: i changed the home folder permissions, now when i log into ubuntu i gives me some message stating my config file will be ignored because only the folder owner should have permissions
[09:05] <Le^stat> EliteInsane: set the user permissions as root in Users & groups
[09:05] <marx2k> echo $PATH
[09:05] <zetheroo> kkathman zeth@T60-Ubuntu:~/Desktop/pidgin-2.2.0$ cat $PATH
[09:05] <zetheroo> cat: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[09:05] <EliteInsane> how do i do that
[09:05] <GNine> oh shit
[09:05] <EliteInsane> whenever i try to change the permissions back it never sticks
[09:05] <kkathman> zetheroo:  thats your path
[09:06] <Miranda> GNine: ?
[09:06] <stdin> !ohmy | GNine
[09:06] <ubotu> GNine: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:06] <chaad> hi is this freenode?
[09:06] <webpirate> is there a place I can post my 3-in-1 script for flash and browser?
[09:06] <Extravert> hello.  How would I heat a piece of paper to dry the ink on it?
[09:06] <Avulture> ubotu, ia an astute monitor :D
[09:06] <Miranda> chaad: yes, you are on the freenode network
[09:06] <kkathman> Extravert:  hair dryer?
[09:06] <chaad> thanks
[09:06] <Extravert> kkathman: would that blow the ink?
[09:06] <zetheroo> kkathman: I see 6 paths there
[09:06] <Avulture> lol .how could he understand language :D
[09:06] <Avulture> hehehe
[09:06] <marx2k> I belkieve you can add to $PATH via "export $PATH=/path/youd/like/to/add"
[09:07] <kkathman> Extravert:  if you put it like .5 inches away, yeah
[09:07] <Le^stat> i need breakfast
[09:07] <predaeus> webpirate, probably in the forums.
[09:07] <webpirate> :)
[09:07] <Whack> you can have multiple paths, separated by colon
[09:07] <marx2k> you can also try export -p
[09:07] <marx2k> for fun
[09:07] <Whack> path1:path2:
[09:07] <webpirate> I cant remember the password to my hosting account...:(
[09:07] <zetheroo> marx2k: you talking to me?
[09:07] <kkathman> marx2k:  thats right - theres a nice write up in the ubuntu forums (google)
[09:07] <marx2k> zetheroo, sure
[09:08] <zetheroo> marx2k: man, I got to jump through so many hoops just to install this app.... do you have any advice?
[09:08] <sylverfox> hi all
[09:08] <Avulture> marx2k, is a good Linux expert
[09:08] <EliteInsane> so, anyone tell me why when i try to change the permissions for my home folder they never stick?
[09:09] <EliteInsane> they keep changing themselves back
[09:09] <marx2k> zetheroo,  I really dont have any good advice :(  I hate when stuff cant find the libraries it needs even though THEYRE RIGHT THERE
[09:09] <webpirate> Elite>> have to try in console with Sudo?
[09:09] <marx2k> EliteInsane, whats the command youre using?
[09:09] <zetheroo> kkathman: thanks for your help .... if you can tell me the exact path I should be using that would be super
[09:09] <Avulture> marx2k, when did you start your journey with Linux :D
[09:09] <EliteInsane> im just right clicking and using the properties menu
[09:09] <marx2k> Avulture, about a year ago?
[09:09] <EliteInsane> whats the command in the terminal
[09:09] <cableroy_> How can i patch zd1211rw for injection in ubuntu style (kernel)?
[09:09] <marx2k> EliteInsane, what are the permissions youd like to change?
[09:10] <Avulture> short time actually
[09:10] <marx2k> yep
[09:10] <EliteInsane> id like to set it back so my configurations work again
[09:10] <Avulture> but it seems that you knew alot about it
[09:10] <marx2k> Avulture, you learn by doing :)
[09:10] <Avulture> says hi to ubotu :)
[09:10] <EliteInsane> its telling me its being ignored because other people can access the home folder
[09:10] <orang> yanis
[09:10] <rlount> ok, jeffhjk is on his way!
[09:10] <sylverfox> can anybody help me in how to install an nvidia driver for ubuntu?
[09:10] <Whack> lol... apache, php5, mysql, and pear, all install no problem, but a mouse... now that's where i get stuck...
[09:10] <kkathman> zetheroo:  if you will put whatever file it is that you are struggling with, in one of those directories in your PATH, then you'll eliminate that message I think
[09:10] <webpirate> cableroy>> I have that exact card and I could not getting working under ubuntu 7.04 ...worked in 6.10 fine but no go in ubuntu....bought $25 dlink wireless and work instantly
[09:10] <marx2k> EliteInsane, can you paste a one line listing of your home folder?
[09:10] <GNine> keep reading, friend.. i salute you
[09:11] <marx2k> as in "ls -al ~"
[09:11] <marx2k> Hm that wouldnt work
[09:11] <EliteInsane> what is that marx2k?
[09:11] <marx2k> go to a terminal, type "cd .."
[09:11] <Whack> don't get a netgear wlan pci card, the one i bought didnt have native drivers available
[09:11] <marx2k> then "ls -al"
[09:11] <cableroy_> webpirate: hm yes, i tried to recompile with a source kernel, i get some error modprobing it
[09:11] <Avulture> heheeh i guess even Microsoft is using Unix on their servers :D what a crap company
[09:11] <marx2k> and paste that
[09:12] <dirtyhand> how can I make my rep rollback to a previous version
[09:12] <EliteInsane> a lot came up
[09:12] <webpirate> cableroy>>EXACTLY same problem that I had....got fed up and just bought dlink.....
[09:12] <EliteInsane> like the first one?
[09:12] <marx2k> like for me, it's "drwxr-xr-x 96 marx2k marx2k 8192 2007-09-17 01:40 marx2k"
[09:12] <rlount> Avulture, I think the Empire still has a license to run unix... bought it from SCO!
[09:12] <marx2k> go back one directory from your home directly
[09:12] <systemd0wn> is software available to control my logitech orbit cam?
[09:12] <Avulture> rlount, what did you meant by the empire ?
[09:12] <EliteInsane> drwxrwxrwx 37 elite elite  4096 2007-09-17 00:02
[09:12] <cableroy_> webpirate: ya, i have enough cards working with injection on my laptop, 3 of them, but want the last one
[09:13] <rlount> Avulture, Empire = M$
[09:13] <rlount> IMHO
[09:13] <EliteInsane> that the right one?
[09:13] <marx2k> EliteInsane, looks like you got full read/write/execute on that
[09:13] <Avulture> I see
[09:13] <gerro> systemd0wn: dunno try checking into gspca :/
[09:13] <rlount> stoopid joke
[09:13] <zetheroo> kkathman: I placed the pidgin installation folder into /usr/local/bin and did ./configure again.... but still got the same error
[09:13] <EliteInsane> yea but thats not the problem, its telling me since other people have read/write on it
[09:13] <zetheroo> cd ..
[09:13] <EliteInsane> my config files are being ignored
[09:13] <anggarda> guys, I'm about to recreate a CSR for my SSL. I've got a question, If i regenerate the hostkey will it affect any previous certs which I may have?
[09:13] <Avulture> lol rlount i thought u were serious :D
[09:13] <systemd0wn> gerro, the "german shorthaired pointer club of america" ?!
[09:13] <webpirate> Anyone else having problems with Nexuiz....Seems super slow after kernel update...
[09:14] <rlount> hee
[09:14] <systemd0wn> gerro, jk.
[09:14] <sylverfox> can anybody help me in installing an nvidia driver for ubuntu?
[09:14] <marx2k> Elite: yeah, you see the last 3 "rwx" on there? Thats the global permissions
[09:14] <gerro> systemd0wn: think there was a guide I followed for my cam installed some app like easycam think it was and it picked out some info on my cam
[09:14] <webpirate> Sylverfox>>> what do you need?
[09:14] <kkathman> zetheroo:  typically, it doesnt matter where you do the ./configure
[09:14] <marx2k> that means all users have read/write and execute permissions on that directory
[09:14] <EliteInsane> how do i change that
[09:14] <marx2k> let me see... hang on
[09:14] <Avulture> rlount, the problem is that users here say alot of versions about unix , linux, gentoo debian.. aloooooooot of words really so confusing OS
[09:14] <Whack> EliteInsane: change to what? only owner perms?
[09:14] <sylverfox> webpirate: if I install the driver it makes unuseable the grafical interface
[09:14] <kkathman> zetheroo:  you can untar the files to your home directory and run the ./configure
[09:14] <EliteInsane> yea
[09:15] <rlount> Avulture, totally. There is mass traffic here.
[09:15] <rlount> unreal
[09:15] <marx2k> man I totally forgot the octal calculation of chmod :(
[09:15] <Whack> chmod 744 i think
[09:15] <Whack> or 755
[09:15] <marx2k> I thought it was 644
[09:15] <zetheroo> kkathman: thats what I have been doing
[09:15] <marx2k> man I totally forgot :(
[09:15] <tanath> 755 sounds familiar
[09:15] <davetarmac> Interesting new development with the networking scenario from earlier - I connected a wire then unplugged it and it all works fine now
[09:15] <Whack> 7 is full perms for owner
[09:15] <kkathman> zetheroo:  what its not finding is some component that it needs (and it looks in all the directories in your path to find it) so, what that generally means is the system doesnt have the library you are looking for
[09:15] <marx2k> yeah the first 7 is fine
[09:15] <marx2k> youre right
[09:16] <marx2k> it's owner, group, global, right?
[09:16] <Whack> yes
[09:16] <Whack> 6 will be read only for owner
[09:16] <marx2k> I forgot how to calculate it though
[09:16] <marx2k> oh... 1 is execute, isnt it
[09:16] <Whack> 4,2,1 = read,write,execute
[09:16] <Whack> yeqah
[09:16] <marx2k> yeah
[09:16] <tanath> you don't need the numbers though
[09:16] <rlount> when I forget, I make a testACL and chmod on it.
[09:17] <EliteInsane> give me some thigns to try
[09:17] <EliteInsane> and ill see if they work
[09:17] <Extravert> anyone know the halftone pattern differences between diffusion and dither?
[09:17] <orang> ryan
[09:17] <Avulture> rlount do you use Unix too ?
[09:17] <orang> #semarang
[09:17] <rlount> Avulture, yeah, or more rightly *nix
[09:17] <tanath> you can do like, 'chmod +x'
[09:18] <marx2k> So shouldnt it be 764?
[09:18] <Avulture> marx2k, is the difference between Linux and Unix is that Unix does not support the GUI ?
[09:18] <disinterested> no matter what guide i follow i still can't get write permissions on my slave hd?
[09:18] <Crozar> i think im in some bug now :( i was using 1024 res yesterday i shut down today i started computer its on 800 x600 with refresh rate 50!!!
[09:18] <tanath> av-, linux is a rewrite of unix
[09:18] <rlount> Solaris has a full on GUI...
[09:18] <rlount> Java Desktop, based on Gnome.
[09:18] <Avulture> rlount , so what is the major difference
[09:18] <gordonjcp> Avulture: no
[09:18] <brettrs> disinterested: what is the hdd formatted as?
[09:18] <gordonjcp> Avulture: Linux is not Unix
[09:18] <marx2k> Avulture, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=unix+vs+linux&btnG=Google+Search
[09:18] <disinterested> ext3
[09:18] <mosno> what *is* unix anyway...? these days it's like OpenServer, OpenSolaris...
[09:18] <rlount> Avulture, naming conventions for one.
[09:18] <gordonjcp> Avulture: it's like Unix, but not actually Unix
[09:18] <tanath> Avulture, or was originally
[09:19] <predaeus> !offtopic
[09:19] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[09:19] <MenZa> mosno: Check Wikipeida. :P
[09:19] <brettrs> disinterested: have you tried fat32?
[09:19] <MenZa> pedia*
[09:19] <EliteInsane> marx2k, any way you can give me some command to fix it?
[09:19] <mosno> MenZa: that's what im reading!
[09:19] <GNine> major difference is your asking of unix in ubuntu    lol
[09:19] <MenZa> mosno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX
[09:19] <disinterested> not yet
[09:19] <MenZa> Then the definition should be pretty clear.
[09:19] <marx2k> Elite: "chmod 764 ~"?
[09:19] <marx2k> maybe?
[09:19] <brettrs> i can't help you with ext3, but i'm positive fat32 will work
[09:19] <EliteInsane> just put that in terminal?
[09:19] <rlount> Avulture, interface names, disk names. Directories where things are etc...
[09:19] <marx2k> yeah
[09:20] <EliteInsane> drwxrw-r-- 37 elite elite  4096 2007-09-17 00:02 .
[09:20] <Avulture> rlount,  but the same way of dealing with files..etc ?
[09:20] <Extravert> anyone know the halftone pattern differences between diffusion and dither?
[09:20] <EliteInsane> that look right now?
[09:20] <disinterested> is that option avalable in gparted?
[09:20] <rlount> mosno, Unix is Solaris, BSD, OpenSolaris...
[09:20] <marx2k> Should look like drwxr-xr-x 96 marx2k marx2k 8192 2007-09-17 01:40 marx2k
[09:20] <Whack> EliteInsane: try "chmod -R 764 ~/"
[09:20] <rpedro_> MenZa: lol wikipeida << 'peida' == butt in portuguese slang
[09:20] <rlount> Avulture, pretty much. d00d, ZFS rawks it.
[09:20] <gordonjcp> Extravert: the patterns are different
[09:20] <Crozar> this is what i thought and i think Unix is engine from the start of the computer world the Award Winner of the expanded Engine is Mac OS and Windows but from theyr they expand Modifications and patching them towards each other
[09:20] <rlount> but it's really off top.
[09:20] <Extravert> gordonjcp: ?
[09:20] <Crozar> i might be wrong :P but i like to think of it that way
[09:20] <Ravenndude`> Is there a way to connect to a wifi network using the command line? If so, can someone point me in the right direction?
[09:20] <Whack> that will affect your entire home dir, and all sub folders
[09:20] <EliteInsane> drwxrw-r-- 37 elite elite  4096 2007-09-17 00:02 . is 764
[09:21] <Extravert> gordonjcp: do you know which one is better?
[09:21] <gordonjcp> Extravert: better is a very subjective thing
[09:21] <marx2k> try 766
[09:21] <GNine> crozar is wrong
[09:21] <GNine> lol
[09:21] <Crozar> lo
[09:21] <Extravert> gordonjcp: terms of quality
[09:21] <Crozar> why?
[09:21] <gordonjcp> marx2k: uhm, 766 would be rwxrw-rw-
[09:21] <Avulture> ok guys as this is ubuntu channel i had a werid problem in partitioner ,, is it recommended to use the automcatic partitioner or the manual ?
[09:21] <rlount> Crozar, Mac is Unix.
[09:21] <gordonjcp> Extravert: try both, see which you like
[09:21] <Crozar> i thought unix is the start then mac started good project microsoft stole it mac working on other
[09:21] <brettrs> disinterested: i don't know, but i'm sure it is.
[09:21] <marx2k> I got drwxr-xr-x on mine
[09:21] <systemd0wn> how can i move my orbit cam around? Video works fine, i just cant manually move it
[09:21] <disinterested> ok its formatting into fat32
[09:21] <tanath> why not just change the perms in nautilus?
[09:22] <EliteInsane> drwxrw-rw- 37 elite elite  4096 2007-09-17 00:02 . 766
[09:22] <Crozar> i thought unix was made then the producer died
[09:22] <rlount> heh
[09:22] <Crozar> and no one knew the story
[09:22] <Crozar> so i might be right u know i dream and do wizard stuff
[09:22] <gordonjcp> Crozar: no, the two guys that wrote the very first Unix are still very much alive
[09:22] <Crozar> so dont think im wrong
[09:22] <Crozar> hmm
[09:22] <marx2k> EliteInsane, that should work for what you were trying to do
[09:22] <EliteInsane> ok lemme try it
[09:23] <marx2k> ok
[09:23] <rlount> maybe we should give Ken Ritchey a call....
[09:23] <gordonjcp> Crozar: dmr's web page is pretty interesting - gives a lot of insight into how they did stuff and why
[09:23] <NINJ4> is there a way to manually install the 2.6.20 kernel?  I can't get on the internet with one box that needs that kernel to get on the internet XD
[09:23] <Crozar> link?
[09:23] <gordonjcp> Crozar: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ <- prepare to lose an hour or two
[09:23] <Crozar> oh u want me to google it same as for  my resoloution problem
[09:23] <mosno> well, Ubuntu is based on GNU, Gnu's Not Unix, therefore it turns out we *are* offtopic ;-)
[09:23] <EliteInsane> ok didnt work
[09:23] <EliteInsane> but what was that command again
[09:23] <EliteInsane> chmod?
[09:23] <marx2k> Elite: Whats the error
[09:23] <marx2k> yeah, chmod
[09:23] <marx2k> type "man chmod" in terminal
[09:24] <Evanlec_> any way to get game to open in one display only (using twinview) ?
[09:24] <marx2k> it will give you info on it
[09:24] <EliteInsane> it tells me 644
[09:24] <Crozar> hey yesterday my ubuntu on 1024 and im fine but after i slept i started laptop then suddenly 800 :(
[09:24] <gordonjcp> Crozar: but yeah, in general googling for "dennis ritchie unix history" would be a start
[09:24] <EliteInsane> on the messahe
[09:24] <Avulture> so rlount,Unix is more powerful than linux ?
[09:24] <EliteInsane> message
[09:24] <rlount> Avulture, no.
[09:24] <disinterested> brettrs: do i just follow the guide again onitting the ext3 and adding fat32 to /etc/fstab then?
[09:24] <Avulture> :S
[09:24] <Evanlec_> Avulture, linux is based on unix...they are not comparable like that
[09:24] <Crozar> ok tell me windows nothing to do with them>
[09:24] <disinterested> omitting
[09:24] <EliteInsane> ok wait
[09:24] <rlount> tho BSD IMHO has a better networking stack.
[09:24] <EliteInsane> how do i get back to where chmod will work
[09:24] <A2t3c13> hi everybody!
[09:24] <marx2k> go back to terminal
[09:24] <EliteInsane> k
[09:25] <Crozar> i thought windows stole Mac so where is the story that mac started a new start from the begining diffrent path?
[09:25] <marx2k> "chmod 644 ~"
[09:25] <Crozar> which based on unix
[09:25] <Avulture> Evanlec_, since i see in jobs resumes.. experience in unix...and that way.. even didn't mention Linux
[09:25] <Avulture> Evanlec_, you got me ?
[09:25] <gordonjcp> Crozar: Nah, Windows and Mac both stole from Xerox
[09:25] <Crozar> whos those
[09:25] <EliteInsane> brb
[09:25] <Crozar> what the ?
[09:25] <marx2k> Avulture, if you know linux, you effectively know unix
[09:25] <rlount> gordonjcp, is the winner!
[09:25] <Evanlec_> Avulture, ? linux is unix so...you could say that
[09:25] <tanath> anyone know any firewall scripts better than this? http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/index.php
[09:26] <KurtKraut> !ops
[09:26] <marx2k> wtf....floodbots??
[09:26] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[09:26] <Whack> ahh
[09:26] <Hobbsee> !staff
[09:26] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:26] <rlount> GNine, word.
[09:26] <Crozar> so theyr was something before win linux and mac >??? like a mainframe 10000 buttons of ( 0 , 1 ) for just to send a msg across
[09:26] <Avulture> what happened guys ?
[09:26] <Crozar> that might be possible u know the war days of hitler..
[09:26] <rlount> about the unix is linux bit
[09:26] <Le^stat> hold onto yur butt
[09:26] <tanath> netsplit?
[09:26] <gordonjcp> Crozar: no no
[09:26] <Avulture> what alot of chatters who left the room
[09:26] <Whack> linux is to unix as windows is to DOS
[09:26] <marx2k> Whack: bad similie
[09:27] <gordonjcp> Crozar: in the late 1960s Xerox had systems that would recognise as a modern desktop environment
[09:27] <Avulture> :)
[09:27] <marx2k> Gnome/KDE is to Bash as Windows is to DOS
[09:27] <tanath> then apple & ms stole the idea
[09:27] <marx2k> well, Windows 95 and earlier anyway
[09:27] <rlount> bastards!
[09:27] <gordonjcp> hm, he's gone
[09:28] <rlount> must be a disturbance in the force...
[09:28] <gordonjcp> Seveas: erm, why did you just kb Crozar?
[09:28] <rlount> I haven't felt so many resets since... Alderan was blown up.
[09:28] <Avulture> rlount, so if i know LINUX very well i don't have to know UNIX whether what would be the requirements of the job to be UNIX admin for example ?
[09:28] <Seveas> gordonjcp, godwins law
[09:28] <rlount> Avulture, no.
[09:28] <gordonjcp> Seveas: eh?
[09:29] <rlount> there are enough differences to really ruin your day.
[09:29] <GNine> Avulture, .. respect  C .. unix IS unix
[09:29] <rlount> Solaris is a pain in the rear.
[09:29] <Avulture> rlount. could i install a version of UNIX on my PC ?
[09:29] <rlount> yeah.
[09:29] <Avulture> lol GNine
[09:29] <webpirate> I remember when intel released the DX100 chip a company called ALPHA had a 500mhz chip...
[09:30] <rlount> Avulture, Solaris is OpenSource now.
[09:30] <nanonyme> rlount, yeah, it's very annoying to have systems that work right. no one can code properly for them :/
[09:30] <rlount> heh
[09:30] <Avulture> rlount,  could Unix work on old machines ?
[09:30] <Avulture> that solaris ?
[09:30] <rlount> yeah, stripped.
[09:30] <tanath> anyone know any firewall scripts better than this? http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/index.php
[09:30] <rlount> Avulture, one disk install, no frills.
[09:30] <gordonjcp> Avulture: of course Unix can work on old machines
[09:30] <Extravert> WHY! does my printer print at 200dpi when its suppose to do 1200?!
[09:30] <Avulture> rlount that would be nice
[09:30] <gordonjcp> Avulture: it was written for a DEC PDP-7
[09:30] <Avulture> very nice indeed
[09:30] <webpirate> and when AMD squeezed 133mhz out of socket 5...
[09:31] <gordonjcp> Avulture: and later ported across to a PDP-11
[09:31] <Avulture> i think i should try both of them on a VMWARE
[09:31] <rlount> I got to see a PDP-11 last month!
[09:31] <Le^stat> virtualbox works well
[09:31] <gordonjcp> rlount: really?
[09:31] <Crozar> :(
[09:31] <GNine> possible.. effective?  i dont know
[09:31] <Whack> at least you guys aren't forced to use a mac at work lol
[09:31] <gordonjcp> rlount: I got to see a PDP11 to
[09:31] <gordonjcp> too
[09:31] <rlount> yeah, at Boneville Power
[09:31] <Crozar> how come i got banned is it because off topic?
[09:31] <gordonjcp> rlount: oh look, there it is again
[09:32] <gordonjcp> rlount: http://pdp11.kicks-ass.net
[09:32] <Avulture> guys.. is it possible to install different versions of Linux,, unix on the the same harddrive ?
[09:32] <rlount> nice!
[09:32] <tanath> yep
[09:32] <Avulture> since VMWARE is not a speedy programme
[09:32] <gordonjcp> Avulture: yeah, no problem at all
[09:32] <Avulture> gordonjcp, Good news actuallly
[09:32] <rlount> gordonjcp, rawk it hard!
[09:32] <Crozar> my screen rez yesterday was 1024 i shutdown then later today i started and im on suddenly 800 with 50refreshrate ? help please
[09:32] <gordonjcp> Crozar: so as I was saying, yes, there were a lot of different OSes way way before Windows, Mac OS or Linux
[09:33] <tanath> Avulture, all you need is seperate partitions. and grub will detect each installed OS so you can choose which to run when your computer starts
[09:33] <orang> #semarang
[09:33] <gordonjcp> Crozar: what happens when you go to the screen resolution menu?
[09:33] <webpirate> gordonjcp>> did you restart your computer with the monitor off? because If I have my monitor off when I start linux it defaults to 800
[09:33] <Whack> haha... looking through the keyboard options, there is a "lock screen to enforce typing break" option
[09:33] <Crozar> never mind that i did sudo nano /ext3/X11/xorg.conf
[09:33] <webpirate> restart X with your monitor on
[09:33] <Avulture> tanath, look dude i have 7 partions of my 200 giga byte one.. all of them are in NTFS
[09:33] <Crozar> everything is like it was
[09:33] <gordonjcp> webpirate: it's Crozar that's having the problem
[09:34] <Whack> you can set it to force you to take a break from typing lol
[09:34] <Avulture> partioning in LINUX is just a pain in ass :S
[09:34] <webpirate> oops....sorry
[09:34] <webpirate> gparted...
[09:34] <Crozar> oh i didnt try restarting :P i blamed it as a bug well it is but thought u have a cure ;)
[09:34] <brand0con> how can you create an ntfs partition in ubuntu
[09:34] <tanath> Avulture, well, you'll need to use a non-ntfs partition for other OSes
[09:34] <brand0con> gparted wont let me
[09:34] <tanath> Avulture, gparted is easy enough
[09:34] <gordonjcp> Crozar: it's quite interesting to look at how OSes have evolved
[09:35] <rlount> brand0con, you need ntfs-utils or somesuch thingie and I don't think it's stock ;)
[09:35] <kkathman> brand0con:  you cant
[09:35] <gordonjcp> Crozar: you can see how bits have been added on as someone decides it would be a good idea
[09:35] <webpirate> it's probably easier if you get the gparted bootable cd and do it from there
[09:35] <brand0con> lame
[09:35] <kkathman> you can READ ntfs but I dont think you can create one
[09:35] <brand0con> thx neway
[09:35] <rathel> Hello, I need some help with mt-daapd. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37632/
[09:35] <Avulture> and who said iam using ubuntu now ?
[09:35] <kkathman> brand0con:  try creating ext3 instead - safer
[09:35] <rlount> brand0con, it can be done but it's still considered experimental.
[09:36] <SwEEt_SiLvEr> iiiiiiiiiii
[09:36] <Avulture> i said iam unfortunately windows USer
[09:36] <Crozar> yes i see many people here =) and u know something im not using linuxs because of youtube actually i wanted to set up a server computer for hosting Quake games , but rather i took that processes a later to do list until i saw youtube lol :P it made my fastlist an now im here
[09:36] <Avulture> i said that many times
[09:36] <rlount> brand0con, you reaaaaaaly want to do it?
[09:36] <Textbook> and he said use GParted
[09:36] <tanath> brand0con, if you have a windows install cd, you can use that
[09:36] <Whack> correct, ntfs partition will be read-only from ubuntu, my laptop is that way since it's dual boot with xp
[09:36] <Textbook> it's "linux" but it's a LiveCD
[09:36] <kkathman> rlount  her really doesnt, but he doesnt know WHY he doesnt yet :)
[09:37] <Textbook> and it's just as easy as all the commercial partitioning tools out there
[09:37] <Crozar> so im special rather then other people because of the effects :P until now i didnt got rain or thunder or snow in my screen :/ and dont want to get beryl this is my 3rd format beryl much sideeffects
[09:37] <rlount> brand0con, Knoppix has the utils and the ability to get more tools while "live"... heh, ok.
[09:37] <tanath> you can write to ntfs in ubuntu
[09:37] <Avulture> tanath check your PVT buddy i want to ask you about something in partitioning
[09:37] <Whack> tanath: how?
[09:37] <dgjones> !ntfs-3g | Whack, ntfs is writeable from linux
[09:37] <ubotu> Whack, ntfs is writeable from linux: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:37] <tanath> ^
[09:37] <rlount> word
[09:37] <Whack> hmm, i might have to try that
[09:38] <kkathman> tanath:  you can write to an existing ntfs using ubuntu, but ntfs is not a supported file system for ubuntu installs
[09:38] <EliteInsane> ok so
[09:38] <EliteInsane> ubuntu wont even let me login now
[09:38] <brand0con> hmm my windows install cd doesnt let me create a partition on the newly partitioned disk
[09:38] <tanath> kkathman, not by default, but that's what ntfs-3g is for
[09:38] <Whack> EliteInsane: what error are you getting?
[09:38] <EliteInsane> not right permissions to creat some folder
[09:39] <EliteInsane> "you session lasted less than 10 seconds"
[09:39] <EliteInsane> i went into recovery thing
[09:39] <kkathman> tanath:  no, I think ntfs-3g is for WRITING to an existing nfts partition - there is a big difference
[09:39] <EliteInsane> did a chmod 744 then 764
[09:39] <EliteInsane> no dice both times
[09:39] <tanath> kkathman, uh, that's what i was talking about. did i miss something?
[09:39] <Whack> logged in as what user?
[09:39] <kkathman> tanath:  for instance if, for some reason you had a windows box on a network that was ntfs and you want ubuntu to write a file there
[09:39] <EliteInsane> root?
[09:39] <Whack> if you're logged in as root, then it won't change the correct home folder
[09:39] <dgjones> EliteInsane, I've never had that error, but I have seen somebody mention that it mjight be caused by running out of disk space in your "/" directory
[09:39] <EliteInsane> well
[09:40] <Whack> whats the username you're logging in as?
[09:40] <EliteInsane> elite
[09:40] <Whack> err trying to
[09:40] <tanath> kkathman, samba won't take care of that?
[09:40] <Avulture> tanath, have you seen my pvt dude.. or i did something wrong in my IRC
[09:40] <kkathman> tanath:  as I understood, brand0con wanted to create an ntfs partition in ubuntu
[09:40] <EliteInsane> "elite"
[09:40] <tanath> Avulture, have you seen my reply?
[09:40] <Avulture> no
[09:40] <Whack> ok, so do: "chmod -R 755 /home/elite/*"
[09:40] <kkathman> tanath:  nope, only FAT for samba without ntfs-3g I think
[09:40] <abeng> yogyakata
[09:40] <EliteInsane> ok
[09:40] <tanath> kkathman, i was just replying to you saying you can't write to ntfs from ubuntu
[09:40] <kkathman> at least last I checked
[09:41] <EliteInsane> what should the root folder permissions me
[09:41] <EliteInsane> since i was dicking around with those
[09:41] <kkathman> tanath:  no I was saying you could not CREATE an ntfs partition in ubuntu
[09:41] <Whack> the tilde "~" means "my home directory", the one of the current logged in user
[09:41] <tanath> Avulture, i've been replying to you, but then you don't respond...
[09:41] <Whack> 755 should be fine
[09:41] <Avulture> tanath,i think there is something wrong in my IRC
[09:41] <Avulture> tanath i used that mode
[09:41] <EliteInsane> ok
[09:41] <Avulture> +I
[09:41] <EliteInsane> i will try this
[09:41] <kkathman> Avulture:  are you registered ?
[09:41] <Avulture> is that wrong ?
[09:41] <Avulture> yeah
[09:41] <dgjones> tanath, Avulture you both need to be registered to send / receive pm's
[09:42] <Avulture> iam registerd
[09:42] <tanath> all i said was you can write to ntfs
[09:42] <dgjones> Avulture, depends whether tanath is registered as well
[09:42] <buttercups> !kernel
[09:42] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:42] <Avulture> dgjones may be because my mode is +i so i can't see him ?
[09:42] <tanath> DGJ, i am, but i can't remember my pass :-/
[09:42] <webpirate> has anyone tried the Envy script to install Nvidia drivers....I just tried it and it works nice....
[09:42] <Whack> argg... i give up - i guess i am buying a new mouse tomorrow
[09:43] <Crozar> ok afte restart still on 800 res :( how come i used to have 1024 yesterday
[09:43] <dgjones> tanath, thats probably why then, if your not registered and identified, pm's are set not to work in the channel
[09:43] <hakrvananteck1> some mexican people !!
[09:43] <Avulture> oh :S
[09:43] <Avulture> tanath it's so easy to register :D
[09:43] <webpirate> Crozar>> are you on laptop?
[09:43] <Avulture> not a dilemma :D
[09:43] <buttercups> !compile
[09:43] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:43] <tanath> Avulture, it's not easy to remember my bloody password :P
[09:43] <Avulture> lol
[09:44] <tanath> so i never bother to identify
[09:44] <rlount> Crozar, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:44] <tanath> and there doesn't seem to be a way to recover it
[09:44] <Crozar> yes but im using CRT monitor , its long story yesterday i had talked to tvrg about the situation when i wanted to run nvidia driver on Laptop but it gives me colory screen but then i renamed the driver  to nv and laptop runs
[09:44] <buttercups> !restricted formats
[09:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:44] <Avulture> tanath ok Plz go to the off topic channel
[09:44] <Crozar> but crt works both in nv and nvidia , i want nvidia because its on 3d accelerator  * ( im talking about the file in xorg.conf )
[09:44] <Tumpster> So, I'm running wine, but i've noticed in any steam game i cannot seem to tweak the settings, when I do it crashes back to the desktop. Any reason why?
[09:45] <GNine> no spoon.. 48 hours is nothing in computing time
[09:45] <rlount> Valve.... aaaaaaaaaah!
[09:45] <webpirate> Crozar>> Nvidia card?
[09:45] <GNine> you can do it , Whack
[09:45] <rlount> Tumpster, thats because Steam/Valve sucks.
[09:46] <Avulture> lol those guys at off topic channel if they talk... just very stupid things.. like how to gain a million dollars
[09:46] <Whack> GNine: I no longer think it's possible, i think its a problem on the hardware or driver level
[09:46] <Tumpster> but i've heard other people having no trouble fixing settings
[09:46] <Crozar> geforce 4 go ( mobile edition ) with windows we tweak that rather to a normal pci desktop card by cracking its .inf from nvidia default site without geting mobile drivers and then reconfigure it through omega settings yes it works and with optimum preformance
[09:46] <rlount> Tumpster, find those people!
[09:46] <webpirate> I had same problem with tht card on my laptop
[09:46] <Tumpster> anyone willing to point me to the right people?
[09:46] <Avulture> rlount, are you registered ?
[09:46] <Whack> GNine: Xev shows KeyPress events instead of ButtonPress events, I don't know how to fix that
[09:46] <rlount> Avulture, yes.
[09:46] <webpirate> but I fixed it I will show you how..
[09:47] <Avulture> great
[09:47] <rlount> Tumpster, if i knwe I'd let you in on it.
[09:47] <rlount> sorry
[09:47] <Tumpster> ;) thanks though
[09:47] <GNine> sigh.. sorry.. too wasted to figure that out Whack friend.. i know i would not buy new ..
[09:48] <Whack> GNine: well, i'll return this one, so it won't cost any extra money
[09:48] <Eliteinsane> did not work
[09:48] <Eliteinsane> :/
[09:48] <GNine> may the force be with ya bro
[09:48] <Eliteinsane> on my laptop now so this should be  much quicker
[09:48] <Whack> GNine: it will probably be cheaper, lol this mouse was 40 bucks
[09:48] <GNine> heh
[09:48] <buttercups> !xorg
[09:48] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:48] <tanath> Avulture, was there a reason you wanted to talk to me in off-topic? if so, why leave me hanging?
[09:49] <Eliteinsane> still getting peermission denied error
[09:49] <webpirate> Crozar>> did you get my PM?
[09:49] <Whack> but, when you code for 8 hours a day, a good kb and mouse is required
[09:49] <Eliteinsane> Whack, still didnt work
[09:49] <GNine> 10-4 Whack
[09:49] <Whack> Eliteinsane: what file is it trying to modify?
[09:49] <jetscreamer> kinky ircsex
[09:50] <Eliteinsane> unable to create
[09:50] <Eliteinsane> ~/.gnome2 directory
[09:50] <Crozar> yes im theyr
[09:50] <webpirate> ok
[09:50] <Crozar> i cant msg u ? it says somethign about run as root for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:50] <Crozar> what should i add sudo nano or smthn>
[09:50] <Whack> is there already a /home/elite/.gnome2 dir?
[09:51] <steel_lady> I am following ubotu simple steps for recovering boot after win and it gives me Unrecognized command. Please, can someone rewiev this with me?
[09:51] <Eliteinsane> also, could not create per-user gnome config. direcotry /home/elite/.gnome2'
[09:51] <Eliteinsane> i have no clue
[09:51] <Whack> Eliteinsane: ok, open a ternimal
[09:51] <Whack> arg... lol a terminal
[09:51] <tanath> heh
[09:51] <webpirate> I had to play with the setting for my laptop because of black bar on the right side of screen and 800 res....now i keep a backup of my xorg.conf and it work perfect with beryl too
[09:51] <Eliteinsane> go to recovery thing?
[09:51] <Whack> sry, typing with a cigarette
[09:52] <Sferrari> Hi :)
[09:52] <Eliteinsane> i cant open anything because ubuntu doesnt load
[09:52] <Whack> yes
[09:52] <Eliteinsane> ok
[09:52] <webpirate> Crozar?>> you need to edit your xorg.conf
[09:52] <Eliteinsane> hopefully mu laptops battery hold out
[09:52] <Sferrari> I need help in hungarian :)
[09:52] <Eliteinsane> my
[09:52] <Crozar> sudo nano ext3/X11/xorg.conf ??
[09:52] <Sferrari> van itt magyar ?:)
 did you reinstsll windows?
[09:52] <Whack> Eliteinsane: check your im
[09:52] <Myrtti> !hu | Sferrari
[09:52] <ubotu> Sferrari: Magyar nyelv segtsget az #ubuntu-hu csatornn tall
[09:53] <Eliteinsane> check what?
[09:53] <Whack> did you get my instant message?
[09:53] <Sferrari> thx :)
[09:53] <dgjones> Crozar, its /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:53] <Eliteinsane> no
[09:53] <Whack> oh
[09:53] <Eliteinsane> where?
[09:53] <webpirate> yes..that will wor
[09:53] <Crozar> webpirate in xorg.conf i dont see section options is it because imusing my philps CRT right now?
[09:53] <Sferrari> bye
[09:53] <Myrtti> !register | Whack, Eliteinsane
[09:53] <ubotu> Whack, Eliteinsane: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:53] <Crozar> should i change to nv and restart with my laptop then do these options ?
 difficult to find it. I am croatian :)
[09:53] <Whack> are you at the terminal?
[09:53] <Eliteinsane> yes
[09:54] <Whack> ok, type pwd, and paste the output
[09:54] <webpirate> You have to put them in your "Device" section
[09:54] <Eliteinsane> /root
[09:54] <guxitian> hellow every one
[09:54] <Whack> ok, type cd /home/elite
[09:55] <Eliteinsane> k
[09:55] <Crozar> ok just a sec
[09:55] <yhan> hello
[09:55] <Whack> type cd .gnome2
[09:55] <steel_lady> are there any helpers or only those who have problems?
[09:55] <Eliteinsane>  k
[09:55] <Whack> did it error?
[09:55] <Eliteinsane> no
[09:55] <Whack> ok, so the folder is there, type cd ..
[09:55] <Eliteinsane> k
[09:56] <yhan> i'm trying to install the current gutsy daily live but the ubiquity installer seems broken as it hangs at "120%"
[09:56] <yhan> would i have more luck with the alternate cd?
[09:56] <Whack> and then type ls -la
[09:56] <rpedro_> !justask > steel_lady
[09:56] <Crozar> guys whats the site to paste long things
[09:56] <rpedro_> oops
[09:56] <Eliteinsane> ok
[09:56] <rpedro_> !justask
[09:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:57] <Whack> now find the line with .gnome2 on it, and paste that line
[09:57] <Myrtti> !paste | Crozar
[09:57] <ubotu> Crozar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:57] <dgjones> yhan, gutsy support is in #ubuntu+1, might be better for you to join that channel for advice
[09:57] <tanath> yhan, i didn't have much trouble upgrading from fiesty, if you can do that
[09:57] <Eliteinsane> drwx______ 3 root root 4096
[09:57] <Eliteinsane> _ = -
[09:57] <yhan> dgjones, thanks, sorry about that
[09:57] <reedness> waddp
[09:57] <steel_lady> rpedro_, hablas espaol?
[09:57] <tanath> yhan, that is, if you have feisty installed already
[09:57] <Whack> ok, there is your problem, that folder belongs to the "root" user
[09:57] <rpedro_> steel_lady: everyone's a helper in here :)
[09:57] <dgjones> yhan, no probs
[09:58] <rpedro_> steel_lady: no, portugus
[09:58] <Crozar> webpirate here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37665/
[09:58] <reedness> anyone here try elive ???
[09:58] <Whack> Eliteinsane: type this: "chown -R elite /home/elite/*"
[09:58] <rpedro_> !es | steel_lady
[09:58] <kkathman> tanath:  I got burned badly going from breezy to dapper, cuz I upgraded a bit too early
[09:58] <Eliteinsane> the commadn line is root@elite-desktop
[09:58] <steel_lady> ok, then english. I am following instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:58] <Eliteinsane> does that a=matter?
[09:58] <ubotu> steel_lady: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:58] <Eliteinsane> matter
[09:59] <tanath> kkathman, there were some troubles then, but i upgraded two months early from dapper to edgy with little problems, and same to feisty, and now gutsy
[09:59] <Whack> a=?
[09:59] <Eliteinsane> typo
[09:59] <Whack> did you run the chown command?
[09:59] <Eliteinsane> typing with 2 keyboards in my lap
[09:59] <Whack> hehe
[09:59] <Eliteinsane> yes
[10:00] <kkathman> tanath:  its why I always just wait till its about one week after release :)
[10:00] <tanath> kkathman, honestly, this was originally a morphix-based install that got converted to debian, and then into ubuntu, and has been upgraded since hoary and is still kicking
[10:00] <Whack> ok, now again do ls -la, and paste the line that has .gnome2 on it
[10:00] <Extravert> Im gonna return this shitty inkjet printer and get a color laser printer w00t!
[10:00] <tanath> kkathman, i've been upgrading a month or two early with few probs :)
[10:00] <steel_lady> rpedro_, in particular I am going for the option Using the Desktop/LiveCD while preserving Windows Bootloader  - because it is temporary. Are you following me?
[10:00] <Pr038> hello
[10:00] <Eliteinsane> its the same
[10:00] <kkathman> tanath:  Ive been on ubuntu since warty :)
[10:00] <Eliteinsane> still root root
[10:00] <tanath> kkathman, er, yeh i used that too, just that far back i forget the order :P
[10:00] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[10:01] <Whack> hmm
[10:01] <CountX> i screwed something up with my task bar
[10:01] <rpedro_> steel_lady: yes
[10:01] <kkathman> tanath:  had no probs till I got to breezy - dapper, and that was a complete reinstall but I had my /home so nbd
[10:01] <Whack> no errors when you did the chown command?
[10:01] <CountX> and i cant get the running application parts working
[10:01] <Eliteinsane> nope
[10:01] <kkathman> tanath:  warty was the 1st I think
[10:01] <rachid> salut
[10:01] <steel_lady> rpedro_ and I am at the step 5. Type "root (hd0,3)". which in Grub prompt gives me: Error 27: Unrecognized command
[10:01] <kkathman> tanath:  warty - hoary -breezy - dapper - edgy - feisty
[10:01] <tanath> kkathman, i ought to move my home to a new partition, but i forget how to set up my user for that
[10:01] <Whack> Eliteinsane: try "chown elite /home/elite/.gnome2"
[10:01] <rpedro_> steel_lady: I think the destop/livecd installer doesnt't ask, it just overwrites the main mbr
[10:02] <tanath> actually, i may have started with hoary after all
[10:02] <Crozar> webpirate here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37665/ and about the sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg im in it and it gave me into configuration page :/ if i do anything what happends?
[10:02] <Eliteinsane> ok
[10:02] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[10:02] <kkathman> tanath:  yah I did that once also - I just copy home over to one of my backup servers, then change the sources.list, do the update and dist-upgrade and hope it all goes :)
[10:02] <BernieMac> kkathman, is that oct '04?
[10:02] <Whack> now try ls -la again and see if it still says root
[10:02] <Eliteinsane> and it still says root
[10:02] <steel_lady> rpedro_ I don't understand what are you telling me
[10:02] <rpedro_> steel_lady: you should use the alternate installer cd, if you want to install the grub to a partition's boot area
[10:02] <kkathman> BernieMac:  allegedly yes :)
[10:02] <Whack> hmm, i don't get it
[10:03] <Whack> everything in the /home/elite folder should belong to the user 'elite'
[10:03] <BernieMac> kkathman, used my expert math skills to figure that one out haha
[10:03] <kkathman> rofl
[10:03] <Crozar> asking me weird questions amount of memory to be used by the video card with KB
[10:03] <tanath> Crozar, you can ignore & hit enter
[10:03] <Eliteinsane> this sucks
[10:03] <Eliteinsane> i spent all today making shit work
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> in ubuntu
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> and  i change 1 litte thing
[10:04] <steel_lady> rpedro_ you didn't understand me. I don't want to install grub, just add ubuntu in win boot, look there at instructions down, without installing grub
[10:04] <rpedro_> steel_lady: one sec, fetching a link
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> adn the world goes to shit
[10:04] <Whack> i don't get it
[10:04] <rpedro_> steel_lady: what instructions? link?
[10:04] <stdin> !ohmy | Eliteinsane
[10:04] <ubotu> Eliteinsane: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:04] <tanath> Eliteinsane, what did you change?
[10:04] <clip> anyone here that runs ubuntu64bit with a geforce 8?! i can't install because i always get a x window error. help please?!
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> permission im my home folder
[10:04] <Whack> anyone have ideas why a chown wouldn't take effect?
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> then it would load my config
[10:04] <Eliteinsane> then things just died
[10:05] <rpedro_> steel_lady: you already installed grub to a specific partition?
[10:05] <tanath> Eliteinsane, so change it back
[10:05] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[10:05] <Whack> his home dir belongs to "root", and chown isn't working
[10:05] <steel_lady> rpedro_ in this link go way down https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows to Using the Desktop/LiveCD while preserving Windows Bootloader
[10:05] <Eliteinsane> i tried
[10:05] <Eliteinsane> nothing would stick
[10:05] <Eliteinsane> they kept reverting back
[10:05] <tanath> Eliteinsane, that's odd. when do they revert?
[10:05] <lost_horizon> l.net
[10:05] <Whack> tanath: chown is having no effect, and no error
[10:05] <Eliteinsane> wwell i right click and used the properties menu
[10:05] <Eliteinsane> changed them
[10:06] <tanath> Eliteinsane, try from terminal
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> right clickked and went back to properties
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> i did
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> and thats when i couldnt even use ubuntu anymore
[10:06] <tanath> Eliteinsane, are you logged in now?
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> no
[10:06] <Whack> tanath: files in his home dir belong to user "root", and chown isn't changing them
[10:06] <rpedro_> steel_lady: you have more than one hard drive on the pc?
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> im in the recovery console
[10:06] <tanath> Eliteinsane, do you have a livecd?
[10:06] <steel_lady> rpedro_ I reinstalled win after ubuntu. it is for m boyfriend and he wants win to boot first and to use win boot, ubuntu is for me because I have to work and we will have to reinstall win one more time in a couple of weeks
[10:06] <Eliteinsane> yes
[10:06] <tanath> Eliteinsane, i'd recommend doing it from that
[10:07] <tanath> Eliteinsane, boot to the livecd, and mount your harddrive, and change the permissions, then reboot
[10:07] <Eliteinsane> ok so put in the live cd
[10:07] <antler> steel_lady: i would've installed win first, then ubuntu
[10:07] <Eliteinsane> ok
[10:07] <Eliteinsane> how do i mount the HD
[10:07] <steel_lady> rpedro_ there is 1 drive but it has partitions: ubuntu system, ext3 for working in ubuntu, storage and win
[10:07] <tanath> Eliteinsane, should be automatic. if not, you should be able to do it from nautilus
[10:07] <rpedro_> steel_lady: I am trying to find a link for a generic howto (works for any linux), you can make the default windows bootloader boot grub from another partition
[10:07] <steel_lady> antler, that is what we did but we had to reinstall win again
[10:08] <Eliteinsane> booting live cd now
[10:08] <Crozar> omg i was in sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i dont know if i destroyed my linux how to set them back to normal
[10:08] <tanath> Eliteinsane, if not, the command is 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1' (device path, then mount path)
[10:08] <antler> steel_lady: now neither boots, right?
[10:08] <tanath> Eliteinsane, run with sudo
[10:09] <Eliteinsane> ok well its still booting so gimme a sex
[10:09] <Eliteinsane> sec
[10:09] <steel_lady> antler, no win boots ok
[10:09] <tanath> lol
[10:09] <Le^stat> heh
[10:09] <tanath> Eliteinsane, freudian slip? :P
[10:09] <Eliteinsane> what
[10:09] <Eliteinsane> lol
[10:09] <xsteelwolf> http://pastebin.com/m5a997c37 can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[10:09] <Crozar> webpirate u theyr
[10:10] <buttercups> !printer
[10:10] <rpedro_> steel_lady: ah, you have any logical partitions at all on that drive? if you do, (hd0,3) points to /dev/hda4, which is the logical partitions enclosure, i.e., its not a valid partions in that case
[10:10] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[10:10] <steel_lady> rpedro_ did you read the link I gave to you? those are general instructions I just don't know what I messed up there
[10:10] <Eliteinsane> well thats interesting
[10:10] <Whack> did it work from live cd?
[10:10] <Eliteinsane> yea
[10:10] <Whack> booting, or changing the permissions?
[10:10] <Eliteinsane> it even booted in 1280 1024 resolution
[10:10] <Eliteinsane> booting
[10:11] <tanath> Eliteinsane, i'm assuming ubuntu is installed to the first hd & first partition with the '/dev/hda1'
[10:11] <Whack> yeab, but thats loading everything from CD
[10:11] <Eliteinsane> 2nd partition
[10:11] <steel_lady> rpedro_ yes I have logical partitions. I think 3 partitions are under the logical one. but the command in instructions there gives me (hd=,4)
[10:11] <tanath> Eliteinsane, i guess the default is better than whatever you're using now
[10:11] <brunner> is it possible to use stable, testing, or unstable instead of feisty, gutsy, or hurd in sources.list?
[10:11] <steel_lady> rpedro_ (hd0,4)
[10:11] <Eliteinsane> ok live cd is booted
[10:11] <tanath> Eliteinsane, prolly your xorg.conf has been customized
[10:11] <Doitle> Whoah this right to left override is nuts!
[10:12] <xsteelwolf> http://pastebin.com/m5a997c37 can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[10:12] <tanath> Eliteinsane, that would override the default settings
[10:12] <Eliteinsane> hm
[10:12] <Eliteinsane> so at least my settings are still theer
[10:12] <Eliteinsane> not that i can use them with my install
[10:12] <Eliteinsane> ok so i have terminal open
[10:12] <Eliteinsane> now waht
[10:12] <Whack> Eliteinsane: open a terminal, and now try "sudo chown -R elite /home/elite"
[10:13] <tanath> xstasi, why not use the ndiswrapper in the repository?
[10:13] <xsteelwolf> http://pastebin.com/m5a997c37 can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[10:13] <Eliteinsane> even if it isnt mounted?
[10:13] <Eliteinsane> or is it
[10:13] <Whack> it should be
[10:13] <ravon> Anyone else who has OpenGL problems on Intel after this weekend's updates?
[10:13] <rpedro_> steel_lady: do you remember which partition number (hda?) you installed ubuntu to?
[10:13] <tanath> Eliteinsane, not if it isn't mounted :p
[10:13] <Whack> you can check first by doing "ls -la /home/elite"
[10:13] <steel_lady> rpedro_ when I enter gparted, it tells me that the real linux partition is sda5
[10:13] <tanath> Eliteinsane, and even if it were, that wouldn't work
[10:14] <tanath> Eliteinsane, the livecd doesn't know the user 'elite'
[10:14] <Eliteinsane> elite invalid user
[10:14] <tanath> :D
[10:14] <Eliteinsane> lol
[10:14] <Whack> aww crap, i didnt think of that
[10:14] <Eliteinsane> nice call
[10:14] <rpedro_> steel_lady: ok, so '/dev/sda5' should be (hd0,4) in your case :)
[10:14] <tanath> Eliteinsane, open nautilus and see if your HD is mounted
[10:14] <Whack> well, you can temporarily chmod it to 777, full perms for all
[10:14] <xsteelwolf> http://pastebin.com/m5a997c37 can anyone tell me what's wrong?
[10:15] <Eliteinsane> how do i open nautilus
[10:15] <tanath> xsteelwolf, why not use the ndiswrapper from the repository?
[10:15] <steel_lady> rpedro_why it doesn't work thern when I type in grub root  (hd0,4) ?
[10:15] <rpedro_> steel_lady: about the link you gave, I just don't see anything there that configures the windows bootloader to find the ubuntu installation
[10:15] <tanath> Eliteinsane, open 'my computer' or whatever
[10:15] <onats> anyone know how to change keyring manager password?
[10:15] <tanath> Eliteinsane, or, press ALT+F2, then run 'nautilus'
[10:16] <Extravert> how come theres a big difference between 600dpi quality of a inkjet and laser?
[10:16] <antler> steel_lady: i think the easiest way is to install grub.
[10:16] <Eliteinsane> ok
[10:16] <steel_lady> rpedro type find on the page and search for Windows Bootloader in title
[10:16] <steel_lady> antler I do not want to install grub
[10:16] <tanath> Eliteinsane, there should be a panel on the left called Places. do you see your HD there?
[10:16] <Eliteinsane> yea
[10:16] <tanath> Eliteinsane, along with the disc drive
[10:17] <tanath> Eliteinsane, good, double-click it
[10:17] <tanath> Eliteinsane, to make sure it's mounted
[10:17] <tanath> Eliteinsane, and see where it's mounted to
[10:17] <tico> hello guys!!
[10:17] <Eliteinsane> ok well i see my 2nd HD
[10:17] <Eliteinsane> my windows partition
[10:17] <Eliteinsane> and the 50gb one i use for ubuntu
[10:18] <xsteelwolf> Anyone using compaq 8510w?
[10:18] <Eliteinsane> i double clicked the 50 one and it disappeared
[10:18] <steel_lady> antler there are normal instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, the second big title after quick start (scrolllll down)
[10:18] <tanath> Eliteinsane, go to your ubuntu one
[10:18] <xsteelwolf> Anyone using compaq 8510w?
[10:18] <paulowsky> i have ubuntu feisty on my laptop but i cant get my memory card reader to work. it's a toshiba satellite A100 and the card is by texas instruments. wat can i do?
[10:18] <tanath> Eliteinsane, disappeared? lol. did it reappear?
[10:18] <Eliteinsane> now it says "disk"
[10:18] <Eliteinsane> double clicked that
[10:18] <tanath> Eliteinsane, sometimes that'll happen when it's mounting it. then it'll come back renamed.. yeh, see
[10:18] <Eliteinsane> and its giving me the loading cursor
[10:18] <webpirate> Paulowsky>> I can't get mine to work either.....let me know if you find something out
[10:18] <steel_lady> xsteelwolf, compaq laptops betrayed me several times, I avoid them now
[10:18] <tanath> Eliteinsane, be patient with it, you're running off the disc
[10:19] <xsteelwolf> betray as in ??drivers?
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> disc isnt spinning
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> so im assmuming its just messing with me now
[10:19] <tanath> Eliteinsane, lol. it's teasing you
[10:19] <paulowsky> hey and does your  bluetooth work?
[10:19] <Crozar> wow my laptop screen works
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> ok
[10:19] <webpirate> I don't have bluetooth on my toshiba...
[10:19] <tanath> Eliteinsane, so can you get to it in nautilus?
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> theres an icon called "disk"
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> on the desktop
[10:19] <tico> I'm using Gnome Network Manager but each time when i restart my computer GNM ask me for the password.... is possible to store or something the password (the problem is that the password is very hard to type, to many numbers)
[10:19] <tanath> Eliteinsane, that should do it
[10:19] <Eliteinsane> well
[10:19] <ravon> This one seems to be back: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/60288
[10:20] <Crozar> buts its on 1024 res  how to increase? any1 :(
[10:20] <Eliteinsane> i doucle click it
[10:20] <Eliteinsane> nothing is there
[10:20] <Eliteinsane> and it gives that cursor
[10:20] <Extravert> Why does my text have lines running through them at 1200 dpi?!
[10:20] <tanath> Eliteinsane, it opens but doesn't show anything?
[10:20] <Eliteinsane> yea
[10:20] <rpedro_> steel_lady: are you saying you get an error in the grub console when you type that in; or that ubuntu doesn't show up on the windows bootloader screen after you follow  the instructions?
[10:20] <tanath> Eliteinsane, what's the path?
[10:20] <Crozar> brb ill try something
[10:20] <Slart> !res | Crozar
[10:20] <ubotu> Crozar: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:20] <antler> steel_lady: all is see is stuff about grub
[10:21] <Eliteinsane> path?
[10:21] <tanath> Eliteinsane, at the top it should show your location, just like in windows explorer
[10:21] <steel_lady> rpedro_ in the grub console I try to do the step 5 and it doesn't recognize the command root
[10:21] <g00se> Just changed hostname in /etc/hostname and edited /etc/hosts and done  /etc/init.d/networking restart over ssh. The hostname hasn't changed. Why not?
[10:21] <Eliteinsane> i dont see that
[10:21] <Crozar> my terminal dont show nothing its white
[10:21] <Crozar> :/
[10:22] <tico> some body know???  I'm using Gnome Network Manager but each time when i restart my computer GNM ask me for the password.... is possible to store or something the password (the problem is that the password is very hard to type, to many numbers)
[10:22] <tanath> Eliteinsane, in nautilus, under the buttons, it should say Location: /some/path/here
[10:22] <Eliteinsane> it doesnt
[10:22] <Eliteinsane> :/
[10:22] <tanath> Eliteinsane, o.O
[10:22] <tanath> Eliteinsane, try running 'mount' in a terminal to see what's mounted
[10:22] <steel_lady> antler it says there: The method shown above puts GRUB back on the MBR (master boot record) of the hard drive instead of in the root partition. But you probably won't want that, if you use a third-party boot manager like Boot Magic or System Commander.  In that case, use this alternative.
[10:22] <Pr038> Does anyone had luck installing ubuntu on IBM 306 with raid support, (adp94xx) module is required?
[10:22] <tanath> Eliteinsane, look for /dev/hda1
[10:23] <Crozar> im in some bug
[10:23] <Eliteinsane> keyboard isnt responding now
[10:23] <Eliteinsane> wonderful
[10:23] <Crozar> i cant see the bar ontop of any file and terminal white sdreen now im scared
[10:23] <tanath> Eliteinsane, might be a focus issue. try clicking different things to change the focus
[10:23] <Crozar> and lines come on my screen
[10:23] <Crozar> many lines
[10:23] <Eliteinsane> i hit caps lock and no light
[10:23] <Crozar> i did what webpirate told me i might burn screen :(
[10:23] <tanath> Eliteinsane, try hitting capslock ... yeh, darn
[10:23] <dmc68> howdy gang. tried to rename my xorg.conf file last night in rescue mode, and it said i cant cause permission denied. anyone know how to do this from the command prompt?
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> wow
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> this really f'in sucks
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> ill have to spend all tomorrow re setting stuff up
[10:24] <Crozar> lol
[10:24] <tanath> Eliteinsane, weird... you sure you don't have a hardware issue?
[10:24] <Crozar> me2
[10:24] <Whack> dmc68: do sudo mv xorg.conf newfile.conf
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> its plugged in
[10:24] <tanath> Eliteinsane, how old is your comp?
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> new
[10:24] <dmc68> ok thanx mate
[10:24] <Whack> dmc68: it will ask for root password
[10:24] <tanath> Eliteinsane, lol... could be dust or something
[10:24] <tanath> Eliteinsane, how new?
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> amd 4600+ 2.4 dual core
[10:24] <Eliteinsane> 2gb ram
[10:25] <VoX> hmm. how do i go about giving additional disks a uuid for use in fstab?
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> nvidia 7900GS
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> lol
[10:25] <tanath> Eliteinsane, alright, new enough :P
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> so fuck it
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> ill reinstall ubuntu
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> and not touch permissions on folders
[10:25] <Eliteinsane> ever again
[10:25] <Whack> lol
[10:25] <xsteelwolf> Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/source'
[10:25] <xsteelwolf> make: *** [compatible/kversion]  Error 1
[10:25] <tanath> Eliteinsane, it's fixable, just slightly tedious
[10:25] <xsteelwolf> anyone knows this error?
[10:25] <tanath> Eliteinsane, lol, just be more careful :P
[10:26] <Eliteinsane> i dont care anymore
[10:26] <Eliteinsane> lol
[10:26] <Whack> i dont understand how the home/elite/.gnome2 folder could get chown'd to root
[10:26] <dgjones> !uuid | VoX, you can find the uuid's for new drives/partitions using the info here
[10:26] <ubotu> VoX, you can find the uuid's for new drives/partitions using the info here: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:26] <tanath> Whack, prolly ran one of those commands you guys said with sudo
[10:26] <rlount> Whack, maybe by running something w/ out gksudo
[10:26] <Whack> and i really don't understand why a simple chown won't change it back
[10:26] <tanath> or something
[10:26] <rlount> sudo and gksudo are diff.
[10:26] <Eliteinsane> i was in recovery terminal tanath
[10:26] <Whack> well chmod shouldn't ever change the owner
[10:26] <VoX> dgjones: cheears
[10:27] <Irreducibilis> I cant find my live CD anywhere!
[10:27] <rlount> if you are in GUI mode and call nautilus w/ sudo you are hosed.
[10:27] <Le^stat> i wish i uderstood half of the things that are spoken about in this room
[10:27] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[10:27] <tanath> Whack, if he ran some gui app with sudo, gksu, or gksudo, it might mess up the perms
[10:27] <Whack> yeah, i guess
[10:27] <rlount> right.
[10:27] <tanath> Eliteinsane, so the KB is dead?
[10:27] <Eliteinsane> i messed up the perms on my home folder
[10:27] <Eliteinsane> kb?
[10:27] <Whack> but how come chown is having no effect from tty?
[10:27] <tanath> Eliteinsane, keyboard
[10:27] <Eliteinsane> lemme reboot
[10:27] <steel_lady> rpedro_ are you here?
[10:27] <tanath> Eliteinsane, you could simply create a new user
[10:28] <rpedro_> steel_lady: yes
[10:28] <Eliteinsane> still have to reconfig everything
[10:28] <tanath> Eliteinsane, might be less hassle than reinstalling like you were gonna :P
[10:28] <Eliteinsane> ehhh
[10:28] <Eliteinsane> probably more
[10:28] <tanath> Eliteinsane, some things will be the same for every user
[10:28] <roachmmflhyr> i have made a new forum for everyone to check out.  If you like to program, need help, want to help others, or just donate scripts or tutorials please check out my new forum there's not many people who have joined yet but im trying to get it out there http://c.linuxsecured.net
[10:29] <steel_lady> rpedro_ so did you read those steps? everything seems fine untill trying to put that command in grub console
[10:29] <Eliteinsane> how do i create a new user then
[10:29] <tanath> Eliteinsane, you might just make a backup of anything you need, and reinstall. sounds like a fresh install might fix some other probs anyway
[10:29] <Whack> Eliteinsane: if it makes ya feel any better, I've spent like 5 hours tonight trying to get a damn mouse to work right...
[10:29] <Eliteinsane> ok well im go
[10:29] <tanath> Eliteinsane, you have more than one comp, so maybe just put your HD in another comp for backup
[10:29] <Eliteinsane> gotta sleep
[10:29] <Eliteinsane> and my battery is dying
[10:29] <tanath> Eliteinsane, good luck
[10:29] <tanath> Eliteinsane, night
[10:29] <Eliteinsane> night guyus
[10:30] <Irreducibilis> Helo?
[10:30] <Eliteinsane> thanks for the help
[10:30] <Irreducibilis> Help?
[10:30] <tanath> np
[10:30] <george_> Hi, i'm just having so trouble resizing my root partition in ubuntu 7.04. When i use gnome partition editor i get an error saying that it is unable to unmount it and to do so manually
[10:30] <Eliteinsane> Whack, thanks and goodnight
[10:30] <george_> any help would be appreciated :)
[10:30] <Whack> no prob, night
[10:30] <Irreducibilis> My CD drive is refusing to eject my CD, no matter how many times I press the eject button
[10:30] <tanath> george_, that usually means something's using that partition
[10:30] <Irreducibilis> help?
[10:30] <morpheus> is there a way to remove a "half installed" vmware server balls up on ubuntu? i keep getting told to re-install, then when i do the install fails
[10:30] <tico> does somebody know how to????  I'm using Gnome Network Manager but each time when i restart my computer GNM ask me for the password.... is possible to store or something the password (the problem is that the password is very hard to type, to many numbers)
[10:30] <tanath> george_, maybe nautilus or a terminal
[10:30] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: if you want to restore the windows boot loader then you grab the win boot cd and whent it setup asks choose recovery console. (it will ask you for administrator password) when you get the prompt, type: <fixmbr>, <fixboot>. after this you should be able to boot in windows and not in linux. following the howto provided by anthler you shold be able to boot linux with windows boot loader
[10:30] <Whack> Irreducibilis: eject it from nautilus
[10:30] <rpedro_> steel_lady: what is the error message?
[10:31] <Irreducibilis> Whack: tried that
[10:31] <tanath> george_, or fam, a 'file alteration monitor'
[10:31] <tanath> george_, can't unmount as long as something's reading or writing or has a lock
[10:31] <Whack> Irreducibilis: well, you could try rebooting, or the paperclip trick
[10:31] <tanath> george_, you can run lsof to find out what's using it
[10:31] <george_> ah, ok. It's my root partition of ubuntu with a mount point of "/"
[10:32] <tanath> george_, well, you can't resize the partition, when you're booted into it
[10:32] <steel_lady> SefBacsi I boot win normally, I just want to add ubuntu in win bootloader as described in those oficial ubuntu instructions but unfortunately they don't work
[10:32] <Irreducibilis> Whack: I just tried the paperclip trick, and it made a nice grinding sound as the disk skidded to a halt, but it still refused to open
[10:32] <tanath> george_, you'll have to boot to another partition, or from a livecd
[10:32] <Whack> Irreducibilis: yeah, you have to turn the computer off
[10:33] <Whack> otherwise it will just pull it back in
[10:33] <george_> ah, kk. Will try that, thanks for that. Much appreciated :)
[10:33] <SefBacsi> k
[10:33] <tanath> np
[10:33] <tanath> Irreducibilis, the paperclip trick should always work...
[10:33] <morpheus> is there a way to remove a "half installed" vmware server balls up on ubuntu? i keep getting told to re-install, then when i do the install fails
[10:34] <tanath> morpheus, why's it faliing?
[10:34] <tanath> *failing
[10:34] <rpedro> steel_lady: did you get my pm?
[10:35] <Irreducibilis> ERM quick question
[10:35] <slapfaceware> anyone suggest an easy to use ftp server
[10:35] <morpheus> "sub-proccess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[10:35] <steel_lady> rpedro_  I repeated the procedure and it is not giving me the error any more, wait till I try to reboot
[10:35] <Whack> rpedro: only registered users can send im's, look in your status window
[10:35] <Irreducibilis> Would there be a way to tell from a bunch of unmarked burned CDs which one is my Ubuntu LiveCD?
[10:35] <ari_stress> slapfaceware: pureftpd.org
[10:35] <tanath> morpheus, there should be another error before that
[10:35] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: what kinda windoze? how are your partitions made? where did you install grub/lilo?
[10:35] <Irreducibilis> without putting them all in and looking?
[10:35] <clip> whats the difference between gutsy ubuntu and feisty release?
[10:35] <slapfaceware> anyone suggest an easy to config  ftp server
[10:35] <morpheus> thats all that came up on synaptic
[10:35] <rpedro> steel_lady: ok
[10:35] <[nrx] > Irreducibilis: eh, no
[10:35] <delire> why is it that when i 'sudo addgroup name someGroup' and then 'groups', "someGroup" doesn't appear in the output? it does on my Debian machines..
[10:35] <Irreducibilis> :(
[10:35] <minimec> What would you say... xmms, beep-media-player, audacious? Other ideas?
[10:35] <Whack> i think gutsy is beta
[10:36] <tanath> Irreducibilis, put them in your computer and see :P
[10:36] <ari_stress> slapfaceware: http://www.pureftpd.org/project/pure-ftpd
[10:36] <clip> but gutsy is dvd too
[10:36] <Irreducibilis> Note to self... label things next time
[10:36] <morpheus> are there any alternatives to vmware server for ubuntu?
[10:36] <[nrx] > Irreducibilis: good idea :)
[10:36] <webpirate> Xmms is the best I think
[10:36] <ari_stress> morpheus: virtualbox
[10:36] <Whack> agreed, xmms rules
[10:36] <tanath> morpheus, try from a terminal
[10:36] <ari_stress> !virtualbox } morpheus
[10:36] <ari_stress> !virtualbox | morpheus
[10:36] <ubotu> morpheus: VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[10:36] <Whack> minimec: if you're looking for something closer to itunes though, banshee is pretty good
[10:36] <tanath> Whack, xmms sucks :P
[10:37] <webpirate> :(
[10:37] <webpirate> I like it...
[10:37] <Whack> hehe i like xmms
[10:37] <morpheus> will try from terminal, then if no joy will give virtual box a bash
[10:37] <tanath> Whack, xmms2 is a little better, but amarok owns it :P
[10:37] <vraa> what's up guys
[10:37] <Whack> i dont use visualization or any of that stuff, just the smallest possible footprint
[10:37] <ari_stress> tanath: there's xmms2?
[10:37] <tanath> i used to, but it's buggy & dead
[10:37] <trpr> hehe. me too. i like xmms. i heard using it is a security risk though due to gtk1 bugs
[10:37] <webpirate> WHAT!!! xmms2...what is this creature you speak of?
[10:37] <tanath> ari_stress, they're working on it, yeh
[10:37] <minimec> webpirate: Whack thx. Always used xmms. So I will continue using it. My last gtk1 app ;)
[10:37] <vraa> if you had to pick a replacement to Outlook Contacts, what would it be (or mac os x Address Book)
[10:38] <webpirate> is xmms2 an update?
[10:38] <webpirate> I enver heard of it..
[10:38] <Whack> my only complaint is that compiz effects don't work on xmms
[10:38] <tanath> they've been working on it for a while now
[10:38] <webpirate> I am jelous now!! I MUST HAVE IT!!
[10:38] <tanath> ever tried amarok?
[10:38] <tanath> it's the best
[10:38] <steel_lady> SefBacsi (are you hungarian?) I have vista on first than the extended partition devided into ubuntu, ext3 for work swap and storage
[10:38] <Myrtti> exaile <3
[10:38] <SefBacsi> yes
[10:38] <tanath> not as leightweight, but it's the best
[10:38] <ari_stress> vraa: try groupwise from novell
[10:38] <minimec> Whack: Hmm. Banshee... I am more an exaile guy, but why not...
[10:38] <roachmmflhyr> Ive started a new programming forum if anyone is interested in learning, helping others, or donating script or tutorials check it out http://c.linuxsecured.net theres not many people that have joined its only a couple days old but im trying to get it out there thanks...
[10:38] <webpirate> I dunno...just kinda plain looking...can you get skins for amorak?
[10:39] <tanath> bah @ exaile & banshee
[10:39] <vraa> ari_stress, oh my, that sounds complicated. i just need something that stores contacts and phone numbers -- bonus points if they can sync across a network by itself
[10:39] <steel_lady> rpedro I completed those steps and rebooted but it boots to win without asking anything
[10:39] <vraa> i'm doing cost analysis on implementing linux versus windows in a 10 computer workplace
[10:39] <tanath> Whack, amarok is meant to be a kde app, but runs fine in gnome, and does everything :)
[10:39] <vraa> what is the difference between Add/Remove and Synaptics ?
[10:40] <Whack> synaptics is package management, add/remove is just applications
[10:40] <tanath> vraa, add/remove is meant to be a simplistic interface. synaptic is a bit more advanced
[10:40] <[nrx] > there's more than just synaptic, too... like apt and adept etc
[10:40] <tanath> vraa, add/remove basically passes things on to synaptic
[10:40] <vraa> it's kinda confusing to have both, am i able to easily remove access (or at least the easy ability to access) both of those things?
[10:40] <webpirate> As much as I love linux I don't think its practical as a workplace desktop solution....A workplace server linux is a must.....but not as a desktop....people are too affraid to learn something new
[10:40] <tanath> [nrx] , yeh, they're front-ends
[10:41] <[nrx] > :)
[10:41] <Flannel> vraa: add/remove has a tiny subset of the total packages you have available to you, synaptic is the full thing.
[10:41] <vraa> webpirate, dont worry about people, my employees are incredibly adapt. as long as they can get their job done
[10:41] <rpedro> steel_lady: yes, maybe you have to press F8 right after the bios detects the hardware. Just keep pressing f8 until you get a menu.
[10:41] <webpirate> So remember to include the cost of teaching in your analysis
[10:41] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: you can edit the main menu preferences to remove one of them
[10:41] <vraa> howlingmadhowie, excellent.
[10:41] <tanath> webpirate, to each their own
[10:41] <vraa> can i run Korganizer (a KDE app) in Ubuntu? Or do I have to start out with kubuntu first ?
[10:41] <webpirate> Well if you have good employees who are not afraid to learn something new then I HIGHLY suggest linux....
[10:42] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: System:-Settings:-Main menu
[10:42] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: yes i am hungarian. if it doesn't ask anything it means that windows is the only os that the windows boot loader knows about. you should edit the windows boot config file: c:\boot.ini
[10:42] <dgjones> vraa, you can run kde app's in ubuntu
[10:42] <rpedro> steel_lady: can I send you a private message?
[10:42] <webpirate> I can't stand windows anymore after living with linux for 2 years now...
[10:42] <vraa> i am tired of windows. my goal is to turn the desktops into dumb terminals netbooting iso's from a server
[10:42] <Flannel> vraa: Have you checked out edubuntu?
[10:42] <vraa> okay let me try kOrganizer, bbl a few minuntes
[10:42] <Whack> i can't give up windows yet, all of my games are on there
[10:42] <vraa> Flannel, yes, but that's education oriented yes?
[10:43] <Tarkus> hey, anyone know whats the good package i need to download to get support for all the media files?
[10:43] <tanath> Whack, you can get a lot of win games running in linux
[10:43] <Le^stat> heh @ Whack
[10:43] <webpirate> Yea...that's the only thing about linux...is the games issue.....
[10:43] <Whack> Tarkus: you'll need the gstreamer plugins
[10:43] <Flannel> vraa: Well, only by default.  You can put whatever you want on it.  Its got netboot server/client install CDs
[10:43] <tanath> !codecs | Tarkus
[10:43] <ubotu> Tarkus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:43] <Whack> tanath: yeah, under wine, right?
[10:43] <Irreducibilis> A very slightly ubuntu question:
[10:43] <tanath> Whack, yeh
[10:43] <tanath> Whack, and/or cedega
[10:43] <Tarkus> Whack, what GStreamer package do i get.. i see 3 different ones in the repos.
[10:43] <xsteelwolf> please i need some help here, can someone tell me what's the error?
[10:43] <xsteelwolf> Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/source'
[10:43] <xsteelwolf> make: *** [compatible/kversion]  Error 1
[10:43] <Whack> i haven't looked to see which ones have native builds, i think HL2 does
[10:44] <Whack> but battlefield2/2142, WoW
[10:44] <webpirate> But I can't see any other reason to go back to windows......except that my Updater for my XM Radio does not work in wine....it can't find USB... :(
[10:44] <rpedro> steel_lady: I think you need to have a registered nick to speak in pvt.
[10:44] <[nrx] > Tarkus: read the documentation - it tells you exactly what you need
[10:44] <Irreducibilis> My room is like the messiest room EVER, and I am wondering what is the best way to find my LiveCD in the bottom of a mess, since I kind of need it in order to put it on a flash drive
[10:44] <webpirate> So I just don't update my XMradio....
[10:44] <Flannel> vraa: Like all things in ubuntu (kubuntu, ubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu), the only difference between them is the initial packages installed.  With edubuntu, you get a pre-made client/server install CD (which you can then modify... just the server, to get wahtever you want ultimately)
[10:44] <vraa> ah i see, so edubuntu is netboot able. excellent!
[10:44] <Irreducibilis> And I dont have time to clean it....
[10:44] <Whack> Irreducibilis: write off the old one as a loss, and burn a new one
[10:44] <arvind> xsteelwolf:
[10:44] <Irreducibilis> oh...fine...
[10:44] <webpirate> I would rather not update my XMradio than install windows...
[10:44] <arvind> xsteelwolf: are you trying to compile the kernel
[10:44] <Le^stat> Irreducibilis... i hear whistling works....
[10:44] <xsteelwolf> im trying to install my intel 4965g
[10:44] <Flannel> vraa: well, they all are.  But you'll have preconfigured installs isntead of having to go through and do each one (or clone each one, or whatnot)
[10:44] <xsteelwolf> agn
[10:44] <Le^stat> :P
[10:45] <tanath> Irreducibilis, depends on the shape of your room, and the furniture in it. if it's square, a spiral search pattern may be most efficient :D :P
[10:45] <vraa> now is this possible: i have my ubuntu laptop as the server. then each "terminal" has the client and i can push out updates unseen to the "terminals" whenever the laptop is within vicinity of the wifi network?
[10:45] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: there is another thing: this file is read only. first you have to remove the read only flag, otherwise you can not save it with the same filename
[10:45] <rpedro> steel_lady: type this in the main (server) tab:  /nickserv register *password*
[10:45] <vraa> so preconfigured installs work? what about unique station names? can those be randomized?
[10:45] <Irreducibilis> tanath: Are you serious? :P
[10:45] <tanath> Irreducibilis, somewhat :D
[10:45] <Irreducibilis> huh...
[10:45] <steel_lady> SefBacsi I don't see boot.ini in win
[10:45] <webpirate> I tried redhad years ago but never really gave it a chance until I bought a 64bit processor and wanted to test it on a 64bit os...MS did not have a 64bit OS yes so I tried ubuntu...and I have not turned back...
[10:46] <Irreducibilis> I might or might not have the .iso on my windows box
[10:46] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: theoretically yes. i just don't know how many shell scripts you'd have to write yourself
[10:46] <Irreducibilis> Ill have to run a search for it
[10:46] <vraa> oh my, i assume that requires indepth linux knowledge?
[10:46] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: and it's hidden :)
[10:46] <steel_lady> rpedro, you are telling me to boot from live CD again?
[10:46] <tanath> Irreducibilis, of course, i'm assuming an almost maximally messy room, including floor, and minimal furniture-type obstacles...
[10:46] <Whack> I ran mandrake for a bit, i hated it, and it became abandoned
[10:46] <steel_lady> SefBacsi how? do I unhide it
[10:46] <[nrx] > mandrake lol. that was tosh.
[10:46] <webpirate> To find a CD in a messy room run the following command : Locate LOSCD /home/messyroom..
[10:47] <tanath> Irreducibilis, 'ls /dev/room | grep -i cd'  :D
[10:47] <Irreducibilis> tanath: I am not the strongest, and seem unable to lift up my bed....
[10:47] <Whack> well, i was looking for "easy to learn" builds, and mandrake was supposed to be easy
[10:47] <[nrx] > steel_lady: try start > run > msconfig
[10:47] <Irreducibilis> Oh well
[10:47] <rpedro> steel_lady: maybe it's better. I was hoping, but I don't really belive the instructions from the wiki explain how to make ubuntu show up on the windows bootloader.
[10:47] <Whack> anyone remember lycoris?
[10:47] <Irreducibilis> Im just going to look for it on my windoze box so I can burn a new one
[10:47] <Irreducibilis> assuming I have it there...
[10:47] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: if you type in start->run msconfig, it should edit boot.ini too. (i think)
[10:47] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: not really. a few shell scripts don't take that long. have you ever used a scripting languages?
[10:47] <Irreducibilis> I probably do, I only have 8% free space and I keep everything
[10:48] <tanath> Irreducibilis, actually, this would be better: 'sudo ls -al /dev/house | grep -i ubuntu' :P
[10:48] <webpirate> I also tried fedora but it was too heavy....but it was very nice..
[10:48] <Irreducibilis> >_^
[10:48] <Whack> i haven't tried fedora, but I've heard good things about it
[10:48] <vraa> i have been "taught" c++, java, and vb.net. i have a basic understanding of how php works. but there is a reason why i have a mac hehe
[10:48] <webpirate> yes...Fedora is very very good....
[10:48] <fermatsltheorem> Suse's yast is hte best
[10:48] <[nrx] > mac?
[10:48] <[nrx] > NO SWEARING IN HERE! ;p
[10:48] <vraa> ubuntu will never have genuine update stuff right?
[10:48] <[nrx] > ehehe
[10:49] <Irreducibilis> !language
[10:49] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:49] <Flannel> vraa: genuine?
[10:49] <webpirate> I think fedora is probably the best linux distro..
[10:49] <steel_lady> StefBacsi, [nrx]  now I am in there and I see the line for booting win. how can I add ubuntu?
[10:49] <Irreducibilis> :D
[10:49] <fermatsltheorem> [nrx] : fermatstheorem->proud owner of a shiny macbook pro
[10:49] <tanath> vraa, as in windows genuine advantage?
[10:49] <webpirate> but there is somthhing about ubuntu that keeps me..
[10:49] <[nrx] > steel_lady: you'll need to check the ubuntu wikie for help with that
[10:49] <Whack> hehe where I work everyone uses a mac
[10:49] <[nrx] > !dualboot
[10:49] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[10:49] <vraa> well one of the reasons i want to run ubuntu rather than windows is because windows is making me jump through hoops
[10:49] <tanath> vraa, most definitely not
[10:49] <Whack> i've spent this weekend configuring my ubuntu box to take to work, so I DON'T have to use a mac
[10:49] <[nrx] > fermatsltheorem: yeah, but you're weird ;p hehe
[10:49] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: that's the point when google halps us :D i'll search and come back
[10:49] <vraa> in order to update X i have to update Y and i have to restart six times and then reinstall the sata drivers
[10:49] <fermatsltheorem> [nrx] : somebody is jealous
[10:49] <remi____> hi all. I have a trust pcmcia --> usb 2.0 card. How to install it on ubuntu ?
[10:50] <Irreducibilis> Nowwwww, What could possibly be the ADVANTAGE of a genuine copy of Windows? You have to pay for it!
[10:50] <webpirate> I like the fact that in linux everything is here and it's free.....
[10:50] <fermatsltheorem> remi____: pcmcia should work just fine
[10:50] <Whack> Irreducibilis: support. Costs money for ubuntu also
[10:50] <fermatsltheorem> remi____: did you test it by pluggin in some device?
[10:50] <Flannel> vraa: No.  Although, you obviously need to satisfy dependencies.  But no, full restarts are only required for kernel updates (and only whenever you're ready, before that, its just another file sitting on your HDD)
[10:50] <webpirate> I don't have to play the cracking game
[10:50] <Irreducibilis> Whack: Who needs support when you can do it yourself?
[10:50] <tanath> i like the fact that i can run a single command and seconds later be running a program i never had before :)
[10:50] <[nrx] > fermatsltheorem: never in a million years
[10:50] <Tokeiito> labas dienas
[10:50] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: ubuntu won't make you jump through that sort of hoops :)
[10:50] <Whack> true
[10:50] <Irreducibilis> Whack: Go power uses! :P
[10:50] <Irreducibilis> users too
[10:50] <vraa> from what i understand, it isn't annoying right? windows says "update me, pick me, pick me, update me!"
[10:51] <Whack> yeah, but in an office envirnonment, support is much more important
[10:51] <[nrx] > vraa: ubuntu does the same
[10:51] <Flannel> vraa: no, you just hit 'upgrade' and it downloads/installs everything.
[10:51] <Whack> they don't usually have all day to trudge through forums and IRC
[10:51] <vraa> i have checked the box next to "KOrganizer", but i can't seem to find it in my Applications menu list.
[10:51] <tanath> that's what redhat is for :P
[10:51] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: linux will be your bestest buddy forever if you make the effort
[10:51] <Flannel> vraa: you can turn off update-maanger if you'd like to never be bothered re: upgrades too
[10:51] <webpirate> Have you heard about the latest windows scam? MS has been updating peoples computers even though people choose not to update
[10:51] <fermatsltheorem> [nrx] : on a serious note, i should say the hardware is prety decent, while i truly enjoy the freedom of linux, i find mac os x to be quite nice. but i cannot do without linux
[10:51] <netyire> hi all! anyone know how to an equivalent for mp3 gain on windows?
[10:51] <Whack> i just can't wait to bring my ubuntu box to work tomorrow and own all the mac geeks lol
[10:52] <tanath> vraa, ALT+F2
[10:52] <[nrx] > fermatsltheorem: that's the problem. mac's more shiney and "oOoOoo lOOooOok"
[10:52] <Flannel> !offtopic
[10:52] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:52] <tanath> vraa, i think it'd be in office stuff..
[10:52] <fermatsltheorem> Whack: i also suggest installing fluxbox to flummox the artisie mac types
[10:52] <netyire> or how to modify the volume of a couple of mp3 files to roughly the same level :D?
[10:52] <vraa> Do i have to restart?
[10:52] <Whack> fermatsltheorem: googling it
[10:52] <[nrx] > vraa: no :)
[10:52] <Flannel> vraa: Only whenever you feel like having the newer kernel you just installed.
[10:52] <tanath> vraa, no
[10:52] <vraa> tanath, I pressed ALT+F2, typed in KOrganizer and it said it was not found
[10:52] <vraa> I do not have an Office menu
[10:52] <webpirate> netyire>> audacity will adjust volume levels on mp3
[10:53] <fermatsltheorem> [nrx] : apart form the shiny factor, the hardware as such is quite good,
[10:53] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: you only ever <b>have</b> to restart when you change the kernel (and even then there are ways to avoid that)
[10:53] <tanath> vraa, case sensitive
[10:53] <tanath> vraa, small letters. what? no office menu?
[10:53] <Whack> fermatsltheorem: looks cool, can I make it work with compiz?
[10:53] <fermatsltheorem> Whack: fluxbox is a simple window manager, very geekish for mortals
[10:53] <vraa> under "show list of known applicatons" there is no KOrganizer
[10:53] <xsteelwolf> how do i extract bz2 file
[10:53] <netyire> webpirate: effects -> normalize?
[10:53] <tanath> vraa, 'Apps > Office' isn't there?
[10:53] <webpirate> I manage to convice my wife to switch to ubuntu too and she likes it....I can't say she loves it but she does not miss windows at all
[10:53] <vraa> Under Applications menu at the top, I do not have a Office menu
[10:53] <fermatsltheorem> Whack: i haven't tried, it wouldnt hurt to reun compiz --replace :-p
[10:53] <vraa> i did uninstall openoffice to see what uninstallation was like.
[10:53] <tanath> vraa, in ALT+F2, just start typing it
[10:53] <xsteelwolf> !bz2
[10:53] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:54] <vraa> i did tanath, it didn't show up, is it because I'm using gnome and not KDE?
[10:54] <steel_lady> SefBacsi, if I edit the file, I am not sure which letter to put for the linux partition, now win is on c:
[10:54] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: well maybe it deleted the office menu as well, because it was empty :)
[10:54] <tanath> vraa, that may have done it
[10:54] <tanath> vraa, shouldn't be. my kde apps show up...
[10:54] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Boot_from_Windows_Bootloader_(NTLDR)_and_why#NTLDR_-_What_is_it_and_why.3F is a gentoo howto, but it should work. look at the section Fooling Windows
[10:54] <vraa> that doesn't explain why i can't access it using ALT+F2 though correct?
[10:54] <xsteelwolf> how do i extract bz2 file
[10:54] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: if you uninstalled a piece of software, you won't be able to start it on a shell
[10:54] <tanath> vraa, some apps don't have categories for the gnome menu though.. perhaps that's one
[10:55] <tanath> vraa, right. it should be executable from there.
[10:55] <vraa> so how would i access this application called KOrganizer?
[10:55] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: which software are you trying to start?
[10:55] <webpirate> and thats another thing....the office is better and Free....well for most people its free..I usually donate about 10bucks to openoffice.org per year....its not much but better than nothing
[10:55] <Whack> yeah, oo is great
[10:55] <tanath> vraa, in ALT+F2, if you type exactly as quoted: 'korganizer' does it work?
[10:55] <Whack> only thing I miss is visio, there isn't realy a good linux alternative for it
[10:55] <vraa> korganizer, i need a replacement for Outlook's email system (Thunderbird), it's contacts system, and calendar system. I think KOrganizer fulfills the latter two of three.
[10:56] <webpirate> So really...except for the games...windows has nothing to offer....
[10:56] <webpirate> for me that is
[10:56] <vraa> oh cool it came up now
[10:56] <webpirate> I use Evolution as my outlook replacement
[10:56] <[nrx] > webpirate: the only issue there is the database engine for open office isn't up the same standards as Access
[10:56] <vraa> this is excellent. how do i make it permanent spot in my "panel"
[10:57] <Whack> yes, but the database app in OO can connect to MySQL servers, which is awesome
[10:57] <tanath> vraa, if it shows in the list in ALT+F2, you should be able to drag it there
[10:57] <[nrx] > vraa: right click on the panel and click on "Add to panel"
[10:57] <webpirate> Yes...Good point NRX....but it will catch up
[10:57] <rpedro> steel_lady: are you still there?
[10:57] <howlingmadhowie> vraa:  the last time someone wanted me to configure thunderbird for a hotmail account i totally failed.
[10:57] <vraa> i have google hosted apps.
[10:57] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: this howto will solve the problem for sure
[10:57] <vraa> so they are simple pop3 servers. nothing more complex than that
[10:57] <[nrx] > webpirate: yeah, it will but by that time, access will have advanced too ;/
[10:57] <steel_lady> rpedro, yes
[10:57] <orkid> Does the default ubuntu installer allow for resizing FAT32 partitions? I can't seem to find the info anywhere.
[10:57] <tanath> pop3 is easy enough in thunderbird
[10:58] <fermatsltheorem> steel_lady: welcome to the intarweb, where men are men, women are women and ladies are FBI agents
[10:58] <skinnypuppy1334> i've resized fat32
[10:58] <[nrx] > orkid: yes, it should run GParted during the installation and it will allow you to resize any FAT32 partition
[10:58] <Whack> well guys, im heading off to bed, i give up on my mouse issue
[10:58] <steel_lady> SefBcsi ok, I just need to see how to record the mbr file to storage that win can read instead to the floppy
[10:58] <webpirate> orkid...download the gparted bootable ISo and use that to resize the partition
[10:58] <Whack> night all
[10:58] <fermatsltheorem> orkid: just take backups befor you muck around iwth paritions
[10:59] <paulowsky> how can i get my bluetooth to work in feisty?
[10:59] <orkid> webpirate: i don't want to use a CD or USB, I will be booting using loadlin (kernel/initrd installer only)
[10:59] <paulowsky> i've got a toshiba satellite
[10:59] <webpirate> orkid: it's usually better to boot off the CD when working with hard drives...
[10:59] <fermatsltheorem> orkid: i second webpirate
[10:59] <orkid> webpirate: I know, but I don't have a burner atm, or a usb key :(
[10:59] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: any media that you can read from windows and write from linux will do the trick.
[11:00] <[nrx] > orkid: fdisk then
[11:00] <orkid> seems from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot like it's possible.
[11:00] <orkid> Resizing Partitions Using the Ubuntu Installer
[11:00] <orkid> :D
[11:00] <orkid> Automatic partitioning
[11:00] <orkid> Choose the First Option (It should be something like: "Resize IDE1 master, partition #1 (hda1) and use freed space"
[11:00] <orkid> so it'll hopefully work..
[11:00] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: you don't need a floppy disk, if you mont the windows partition read-write under lin.
[11:00] <webpirate> hmm....well as lond as you are not trying to resize the partion you are booting from and make sure it's unmunted
[11:00] <fermatsltheorem> orkid: fdisk is the light saber, use it prudently
[11:00] <nnutter> will upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy-T5 result in "orphaned" packages? Like if the old ubuntu-desktop hypothetically included rhythmbox while the new one included banshee, would both be installed?
[11:00] <orkid> fdisk will not resize an existing file system, which i need (resize FAT32)
[11:00] <tanath> nnutter, if it does, running aptitude will let you know
[11:01] <luigi> !de
[11:01] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:01] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: you just need to copy somehow the working linux boot sector to a file in c:
[11:01] <fermatsltheorem> wilkommen sie bitte!
[11:01] <steel_lady> SefBacsi, I have FAT32 shared between systems. BTW 'sef' means 'the boss' in croatian
[11:01] <fermatsltheorem> springsteen sef!
[11:02] <[nrx] > lol
[11:02] <webpirate> I would seriously wait until you can make a bootable disk...
[11:02] <webpirate> I just am paranoid I guess
[11:02] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: this is a character from South Park. he is the black cook
[11:02] <tanath> nnutter, i upgraded to gutsy, and it didn't want me to get rid of anything i wanted
[11:02] <fermatsltheorem> webpirate: the geek who waits till his love makes a boot disk! while real people wait till the lady get dressed up
[11:02] <paulowsky> how's that? isnt gutsy still unstable?
[11:03] <tanath> nnutter, and aptitude let me know what packages were no longer required (orphaned)
[11:03] <fermatsltheorem> paulowsky: it is unstable
[11:03] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: then do not copy to a floppy. just copy on that partition, then reboot and copy to c: under win.
[11:03] <tanath> paulowsky, so?
[11:03] <tanath> paulowsky, stable enough for me
[11:03] <tanath> paulowsky, works great for me
[11:03] <brunner> is there any linux software that will scan through channels and display snapshots of content like the old hauppauge software for windows did?
[11:03] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: Sef = Chef = (Master-cook?)
[11:04] <fermatsltheorem> Sef=serf = common peasent
[11:04] <SefBacsi> :)
[11:04] <tanath> paulowsky, i just changed my repos to gutsy and did a dist-upgrade
[11:04] <CountX> can someone help me with gutsy?
[11:04] <nnutter> tanath: so aptitude keeps track of file that were installed specifically versus installed by dependency?
[11:04] <tanath> nnutter, yep
[11:04] <dgjones> !gutsy | CountX
[11:04] <vraa> how well is Ubuntu's compatibility with "popular" (according to newegg.com) hardware? sufficient to be stable?
[11:04] <ubotu> CountX: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:04] <[nrx] > !gutsy
[11:05] <SefBacsi> senf=mustard=bastard=retard?
[11:05] <[nrx] > damn, too fast ;p
[11:05] <[nrx] > !ohmy | SefBacsi
[11:05] <ubotu> SefBacsi: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:05] <tanath> nnutter, one of the reasons it has better dependency resolution than apt-get
[11:05] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[11:05] <SefBacsi> sry
[11:05] <webpirate> well I guess I am just paranoid because I actually use my linux box as my main computer...where most people just play around with linux and boot into windows for thier serious stuff
[11:05] <nnutter> tanath: ok thank you for the info :-)
[11:05] <tanath> nnutter, np
[11:05] <howlingmadhowie> (er musste halt seinen senf dazu gegen)
[11:06] <SefBacsi> :)
[11:06] <fermatsltheorem> howlingmadhowie: errr..
[11:06] <clip> where do i get php4, when apt-get doenst work
[11:06] <webpirate> How long do I have to be without windows before I am a windows noob again?
[11:06] <fermatsltheorem> clip: didya search for php4 in synaptic
[11:06] <[nrx] > webpirate: it's a bit like riding a bike, isn't it? Once infected, you're never clean? hehe
[11:06] <Crozar> webpirate you theyr :(
[11:06] <clip> naw
[11:06] <tanath> webpirate, paranoid for what?
[11:07] <shwouchk> how do I remove a script from running at boot? (an init.d script)
[11:07] <fermatsltheorem> webpirate:
[11:07] <webpirate> he he he.....like aids.....damn...I got the aids......
[11:07] <Crozar> soon il be ur place
[11:07] <Crozar> you get deeds for doing this
[11:07] <[nrx] > shwouchk: apt-get install rcconf
[11:07] <tanath> shwouchk, Sys > Admin > Boot-up manager?
[11:07] <webpirate> Whats up Crozar...
[11:07] <Crozar> it worked :D
[11:08] <shwouchk> tanath: via console...
[11:08] <webpirate> the code I send you worked?
[11:08] <shwouchk> [nrx] : its a shell tool I hope?
[11:08] <paulowsky> sorry for the delay. tanath. and it doesn't work well? wat did u need to get rid of?
[11:08] <Irreducibilis> My ubuntu iso is NOT on my windows box
[11:08] <hironakamura> Hi, I need help with madwifi, the package madwifi-tools does actually install the drivers?
[11:08] <[nrx] > shwouchk: yes, a very good on
[11:08] <steel_lady> SefBacsi, what exactly should I put in thos command:dd if=/dev/hda2 of=grub.mbr bs=512 count=1
[11:08] <[nrx] > one*
[11:08] <Crozar> my laptop screen but with many many sideeffects that when 3d effects are on the terminal shows white screen and all windows dont have the bar in the top where u can X maximize or Minmize and all shrinks ect..
[11:08] <shwouchk> [nrx] : great, thanks
[11:08] <[nrx] > shwouchk: no problem. Once installed, run it with sudo rcconf
[11:08] <Crozar> the windows are shrinked mode... the files each i open
[11:08] <tanath> paulowsky, sorry?
[11:09] <asc> Is there a way to determine which libraries an ELF binary needs?
[11:09] <tanath> paulowsky, what doesn't work well?
[11:09] <fermatsltheorem> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda
[11:09] <howlingmadhowie> steel_lady: that will totally write over your grub.mbr
[11:09] <paulowsky> doesn't matter, u were sayin?
[11:09] <BernieMac> Anyone know why my audio files suddenly quit working in the Listen player?
[11:09] <webpirate> Crozar>> make sure you have the beryl themes installed....
[11:09] <vraa> is there a way to get rid of the bloated default interface and replace it with a more blue theme?
[11:09] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: it depends. which part. contains the linux /boot?
[11:09] <vraa> a less waste spacer theme?
[11:09] <Crozar> oh
[11:09] <Crozar> ok i will
[11:09] <tanath> paulowsky, moving to gutsy? there were some packages that were replaced and such, so had to remove old ones, but nothing i wanted had to go
[11:10] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: you mean get rid of gnome? there are a number of window managers to choose from
[11:10] <tanath> paulowsky, i dunno, what was i saying? :P
[11:10] <steel_lady> <SefBacsi it sait sda5
[11:10] <webpirate> then select the beryl windows manager from the beryl-settings
[11:10] <Crozar> webpirate , last but not least when laptop screen worked its not full screen its using the middle side of the laptop
[11:10] <clip> is there a good place to look for synaptic packages
[11:10] <tanath> webpirate, beryl is dead
[11:10] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: you could also install a new theme for gnome, if you just want to get rid of the brown :)
[11:10] <fermatsltheorem> clip :err...in synaptic
[11:10] <clip> how?
[11:10] <tanath> compiz fusion is better
[11:10] <fermatsltheorem> clip: seach menu
[11:10] <SefBacsi> steel_lady:  so it is the first logical part. from the extended?
[11:10] <steel_lady> howlingmadhowie I can not boot ubuntu and I am trying to do a copy of grub to put it into win bootloader
[11:11] <Crozar> and u remmember this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <-- i dont know what i did in this :( im scared my screen will be damaged soon
[11:11] <vraa> it's not the brown that looks bad, it's just the icons are much too large, but they dont convey enough information
[11:11] <webpirate> Crozar>> I am not sure about that problem...sometimes the laptop screens are limited to 1024x768
[11:11] <vraa> for example, the new button is about twice the size it should be
[11:11] <[nrx] > konquerer just locked up :o
[11:11] <paulowsky> can't say wat that is. a friend of mine had the same problem. but he got it fixed.
[11:11] <tanath> Crozar, that can't do any permanent damage
[11:11] <paulowsky> tanath. i'll ask how now
[11:11] <clip> fermatsltheorem: i don't get it, how do i get to the search menu
[11:11] <Crozar> then how to reset xserver-org
[11:11] <fermatsltheorem> clip: hit ctrl+f
[11:11] <howlingmadhowie> steel_lady: oh, that's an interesting question, what dd if=/dev/hda2 of=grub.mbr does in this case
[11:11] <webpirate> Crozar>> well onlt that the pixels on the outside of the screen won't be used and over time you will burn in
[11:11] <steel_lady> SefBacsi, extended is sda2,  ubuntu sda5 swap 6 and linux work 7
[11:11] <shwouchk> [nrx] : eek... it works with ncurses but for some reason it spits many bad chars
[11:11] <tanath> paulowsky, sorry?
[11:12] <Myrtti> log out from gnome/kde and press ctrl-alt-backspace on login screen
[11:12] <Crozar> webpirate i will reset xserver org then il paste the command lines for Section options u gave me
[11:12] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar: there is a long command in xorg.conf comments
[11:12] <tanath> paulowsky, did i miss something?
[11:12] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: dd if=/dev/sda5 of=~/Desktop/grub.mbr bs=512 count=1
[11:12] <webpirate> ok
[11:12] <Crozar>  xserver-org is xorg.conf??
[11:12] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: which new button? (i haven't been paying attention)
[11:12] <paulowsky> tanath.nope
[11:12] <[nrx] > shwouchk: might be better to just use the bootup manager
[11:12] <tanath> paulowsky, then what are you talking about? lol
[11:12] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar: was that to me?
[11:13] <vraa> howlingmadhowie, i'm using evolution (a program for mail, calendar, contacts) right now.
[11:13] <clip> fermatsltheorem: but that doesn't search the internet
[11:13] <webpirate> Crozarr>> I think I remember I had the same problem you have....I think it's an ubuntu 7.04 thing.....I had to keep 6.10 because the screen was just in the miggle
[11:13] <webpirate> miggle = middle
[11:13] <fermatsltheorem> clip: what do you want to find
[11:13] <Crozar> yes please if you can answer
[11:13] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: evolution's okay. just switch off automatic html rendering.
[11:13] <webpirate> so on my laptop I just install ubuntu 6.10
[11:13] <tanath> paulowsky, hard to keep track of everything
[11:13] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar: xserver config can be reset with the command given in xorg.conf commetns
[11:13] <Crozar> but my laptop is 17 inch screen webpirate any ways :/ i use 1280 in win
[11:13] <webpirate> not 7.04
[11:13] <shwouchk> [nrx] : well, I managed to use it to do w/e I needed... I just thought you might know what was up with ncurses... anyway, what is that?
 I can not find ~ there because my keyboard is messed up :-O
[11:13] <clip> fermatsltheorem: nothing, i'm looking for php4
[11:13] <webpirate> Crozar>> I see...
[11:13] <[nrx] > !ncurses
[11:13] <webpirate> then I am not sure...sorry
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ncurses - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar: 17 inches! somebody is insecure
[11:14] <[nrx] > ;o
[11:14] <Crozar> insecure?
[11:14] <Crozar> will it blow up :S
[11:14] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar: ;-)
[11:14] <paulowsky> tanath.i thought u asked a question. didnt u?
[11:14] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: then /home/<your loginname>/Desktop
[11:14] <tanath> paulowsky, what question?
[11:14] <webpirate> Well it won't blow up but you will get burn-in on the middle of the screen
[11:14] <paulowsky> forget it then, my mistake
[11:14] <tanath> paulowsky, i thought you asked me about upgrading to gutsy?
[11:14] <Crozar> im afraid becauase with CRT screen is flickering sometimes and with laptop it wont flick but il get the kaboom a day or later on the heat status
[11:14] <[nrx] > shwouchk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses
[11:14] <[nrx] > :)
[11:14] <clip> fermatsltheorem: nothing, i'm looking for php4
[11:14] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: and probably you need to enter sudo before the command if use ubuntu
[11:14] <paulowsky> i get it
[11:15] <[nrx] > shwouchk: it's safe to ignore the garble it came out with though
[11:15] <shwouchk> [nrx] : I meant what is the bootup manager
[11:15] <SkoZombie> Anyone know why evolution in feisty doesn't support regexps in filters/searches ?
[11:15] <webpirate> You may have to try ubuntu 6.10..
[11:15] <[nrx] > shwouchk: it's basically just a graphical version of rcconf with some other features
[11:15] <Crozar> its old laptop BTW , toshiba 1955 s801
[11:15] <fermatsltheorem> clip: dude, search for php4 in synaptic
[11:15] <SkoZombie> It used to many moons ago when i checked, now I actually need them!
[11:15] <tanath> SkoZombie, 'cause it's evil. get rid of it :P
[11:15] <shwouchk> [nrx] : well, it's a headless server, so no go there
[11:15] <SkoZombie> tanath: evolution or regexps?
[11:16] <clip> fermatsltheorem: i never really used synaptic, so i don't know how ^^
[11:16] <fermatsltheorem> SkoZombie: if you are smart enough to use regex, you would be using mutt!
[11:16] <webpirate> crozar>> YES!! mine too......we are on the same page....if you keep your xorg.conf and then install 6.10 it will work..
[11:16] <tanath> SkoZombie, evolution :P
[11:16] <tanath> SkoZombie, regex is sweet
[11:16] <fermatsltheorem> system->admin->synaptic
[11:16] <SkoZombie> I'm just lazy tis all ;)
[11:16] <webpirate> I got beryl working on my laptop and everything...opengl too
[11:16] <Crozar> webpirate ur using toshiba 1955?
[11:16] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: if you have harddrive space, you can install some other window managers and try them out.
[11:16] <tanath> webpirate, you know beryl is dead, right?
[11:16] <webpirate> Toshiba 2410 with 15inch and Nvidia go 440 16megs ram
[11:16] <vraa> are you fond of others besides gnome?
[11:16] <tanath> webpirate, compiz fusion FTW
[11:16] <SkoZombie> I might have to look around tho, cause this lack of regexp to filter spam and stuff is driving me nuts
[11:17] <Crozar> ubuntu 6.10? why i thou ght the higher the better version improved added features? or it goes diffrent with linux
[11:17] <vraa> it seems as if this argument of window managers is a moot point
[11:17] <tanath> SkoZombie, what about spam assassin, or whatever it's called?
[11:17] <fermatsltheorem> vraa: just like emacs vs vi, [nrx]  would beg to differ
[11:17] <webpirate> Crozar>> I am not sure why but I tried everything and only ubuntu 6.10 worked.. with my LCD
[11:17] <SkoZombie> yeah, I was getting about 30% false positives
[11:17] <tanath> bah, that's different
[11:18] <Crozar> u mean working great? full screen
[11:18] <[nrx] > !
[11:18] <webpirate> but 6.10 is still very very good..
[11:18] <tanath> compiz fusion is the successor to beryl, and is superior
[11:18] <webpirate> Yes working perfect..
[11:18] <[nrx] > right.
[11:18] <webpirate> even DVD playback is accelerated
[11:18] <vraa> because i'm using gnome, can that be attributed to the fact that Evolution is not showing me reminder windows of my tasks?
[11:18] <Tarkus> hey, whats the best way to use/install emerald with compiz-fusion?
[11:18] <Crozar> il get it :) and synoptics is theyr also ? so anythign can be downloaded like in 7
[11:18] <webpirate> uses 2% CPU when watching DVD's
[11:18] <fermatsltheorem> emacs - the only editor you need
[11:18] <[nrx] > nano.
[11:18] <SkoZombie> VI!
[11:18] <webpirate> Yes...everything is the samy synaptic and all that
[11:18] <tanath> vim!
[11:18] <[nrx] > :O
[11:19] <tanath> :P
[11:19] <tanath> nano
[11:19] <steel_lady> SefBacsi seems to have copied, now I have to see how to put it into ini
[11:19] <tanath> bah, gedit :D
[11:19] <[nrx] > tanath: lol
[11:19] <[nrx] > wine + notepad!
[11:19] <clip> somehow i don't got the php4 package in synaptic
[11:19] <tanath> :O
[11:19] <[nrx] > lol!
[11:19] <tanath> gedit owns notepad
[11:19] <SkoZombie> cat/tail/head/grep/tr !
[11:19] <fermatsltheorem> nano - for people with similar sized organs
[11:19] <webpirate> Crozar>> remember that nvidia like XV for movie playback
[11:19] <Crozar> webpirate last night i was talking to tvrg and i did all soloutions for trying with default ubuntu status towards my CRT and laptop screen i found out that LCD works fine with nv in drivers but not nvidia , however no 3d effects will run but u will get ur fullscreen
[11:19] <tanath> sed :P
[11:19] <[nrx] > emacs > for people with no organs
[11:19] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: i started off with kde, now i use gnome a lot (or one of the fluxbox line if i'm on old hardware). basically i find a window manager just shouldn't get in the way
[11:19] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: okay then. do it. it should be the same as in the tutorial
[11:19] <[nrx] > sed rwaks
[11:20] <[nrx] > anyway, i need to go pay the rent
[11:20] <fermatsltheorem> real geeks cat to devices
[11:20] <[nrx] > back in a bit.
[11:20] <Crozar> when getting 6.10 must i format again? or just install? it wil degrade
[11:20] <tanath> dunno if you can downgrade a whole distro...
[11:20] <webpirate> crozar>>yes mine too....but I wanted Opengl and the screensavers so I spent lots of time to get my xorg.conf perfect in ubuntu 6.10....then 7.04 came out and it would not work so I just went back to 6.10
[11:20] <tanath> wouldn't recommend it
[11:21] <Crozar> thank you
[11:21] <webpirate> Crozar>> you should really format again
[11:21] <Crozar> web pirate hope the 8th release will have all this tuned up
[11:21] <SkoZombie> tanath: any ideas who i could bitch to so they'd put regexp's back in evolution? I mean why LOSE features?
[11:21] <tanath> all what?
[11:21] <webpirate> Crozar>> I am off to bed now but if you are here tomorrow I can help you more...
[11:22] <Crozar> wait
[11:22] <vraa> KDE seems to be more business oriented than Gnome
[11:22] <tanath> SkoZombie, are you sure they had it before?
[11:22] <webpirate> I can send you my complete sections of my xorg.conf
[11:22] <Crozar> last thing , now how can i get xorg.conf when i changed it
[11:22] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: oh, reminder windows should be popping up. just a second i'll try that out on my evolution here
[11:22] <tanath> SkoZombie, maybe there's a configuration option for it
[11:22] <SkoZombie> tanath: good point, i'll look around
[11:22] <tanath> SkoZombie, or a plugin that got removed
[11:22] <webpirate> Crozar>> what do you mean?
[11:22] <vraa> howlingmadhowie, i wasn't having reminder windows come up with a 0second length appointment in my calendar
[11:22] <Crozar> i fuddled around xserver-org  and i think my xorg.conf is destroyed now
[11:22] <vraa> i am trying a 30 minute length right now
[11:22] <steel_lady> Vista reminds me of ubuntu, it asks for permission all the time
[11:22] <tanath> SkoZombie, if not, maybe check whether they're supposed to be there. if so, file a bug report maybe (launchpad.net)
[11:23] <SefBacsi> steel_lady: wht kinda permission?
[11:23] <fermatsltheorem> Crozar:  just run the command available in xorg.conf comments you will get back stuff
[11:23] <tanath> Crozar, you can always delete it
[11:23] <webpirate> Crozar>> don't worry about it...you are going to format anyway and I will send you a working xorg.conf file..
[11:23] <vraa> it was supposed to pop up an alert 2 minutes before the scheduled time, nothing came up
[11:23] <Crozar> u gave me commands to put in the xorg.conf the section device but i think i must reset xorg.conf then put in the commands again
[11:23] <Crozar> thank you
[11:23] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: i'm trying one too. let's see what happens :)
[11:23] <tanath> Crozar, well, better to rename it, to have a backup
[11:23] <Crozar> 1955 s801 toshiba? its just amazing i thought im the only one
[11:24] <Crozar> k
[11:24] <webpirate> crosar>> send me an email and I will send you the xorg.conf file
[11:24] <SkoZombie> tanath: cool, just wasn't sure if it might be an "ubuntu, dumbing things down so that GWBush can use linux" type thing or not
[11:24] <tanath> lol
[11:24] <steel_lady> SefBacsi, for everything I want to copy to system partition, to install anything, to give permission to programs to do particular actions... seems that they are taking advice from linux now :)
[11:24] <Crozar> il see u here l8er =)
[11:24] <Crozar> thanks alot webpirate
[11:24] <tanath> SkoZombie, personally i dislike evolution.
[11:24] <webpirate> Crozar>> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:24] <fermatsltheorem> tanath: you creationist!!
[11:24] <tanath> SkoZombie, but then, i didn't know it could do regex
[11:25] <Crozar> u dont go in msn =/
[11:25] <_dennis_> how can I easly check the boot device number of my windows XP partition?
[11:25] <webpirate> yes....you can add me
[11:25] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: my reminder worked :)
[11:25] <Crozar> thanks
[11:25] <steel_lady> SefBacsi I still don't see the ini file
[11:25] <Crozar> im nick
[11:25] <tanath> fermatsltheorem, lol. i'm the last person who'd be called a creationist :P
[11:25] <webpirate> I am Rick......
[11:25] <webpirate> :)
[11:25] <fermatsltheorem> _dennis_: if it is the first partition = 0
[11:25] <tanath> fermatsltheorem, quite the opposite :D
[11:25] <_dennis_> ok thanks fermatsltheorem
[11:25] <SkoZombie> tanath: you used to be able to do all sorts of cool stuff, like pipe messages through other programs etc
[11:25] <vraa> that's weird. did you make any special settings? i am trying KOrganizer right now since Evolution didn't work for me.
[11:26] <fermatsltheorem> _dennis_: if i tis second =1, and so on
[11:26] <hoth676> hi, what tool can I use to make a .mov movie into a more compact .mpg format ?
[11:26] <fermatsltheorem> _dennis_: first device =hd0 etc
[11:26] <tanath> SkoZombie, well, you might want to check the Evolution website for features
[11:26] <SefBacsi> steel_lady:  http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/10/13/Using-Vista_2700_s-Boot-Manager-to-Boot-Linux-and-Dual-Booting-with-BitLocker-Protection-with-TPM-Support.aspx read this. it should help you
[11:26] <tanath> fermatsltheorem, you know there's a christian version of ubuntu?
[11:27] <fermatsltheorem> hoth676: closed formats, getting such a tool for linux, i aint very sure
[11:27] <Crozar> i adde u
[11:27] <fermatsltheorem> tanath: wut!
[11:27] <Black_Cat> hello. i'm developing my website under linux so i need to test rendering in 3 major browsers. i've got opera and firefox, but what about IE? i know about wine & virtual machines, but maybe there is more straightforward way? maybe some other browser which uses the same engine as IE does?
[11:27] <tanath> fermatsltheorem, seriously. christian ubuntu, with all the bible stuff & everything
[11:27] <rob> Black_Cat, vmware server + windows
[11:27] <howlingmadhowie> hoth676: transcode could do that, but the command line options are quite daunting
[11:27] <fermatsltheorem> tanath: jeebus!
[11:28] <tanath> fermatsltheorem, indeed, lol
[11:28] <fermatsltheorem> tanath: ask them to lay off from the technology of the heathens
[11:28] <tanath> heh
[11:28] <dgjones> !ies4linux | Black_Cat
[11:28] <ubotu> Black_Cat: ies4linux is a script that quickly and effortlessly helps you install 3 versions of IE in Wine. Information can be found at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page including instructions specifically for Ubuntu. ies4linux is aimed at web designers and ie-only sites, so please, dont use any of the IEs to navigate! Use Firefox!
[11:28] <howlingmadhowie> vraa: i just added an entry to the calender, added an alarm to it and configured the alarm to go off really soon :)
[11:28] <SkoZombie> tanath: documentation on the site (branded by novell) says it does *shrugs* guess it's one of those features that only nerds like me want