[09:30] <clmsy> hi everyone. i don't know if this is the correct channel if not apologies... i have a question. through snapcraft i build a kernel and a gadget snap and get them together with ubuntu-image into an .img file.
[09:30] <clmsy> i can boot into it by flashing into a usb no problems.  But how can i make that img file installable from a usb drive not just a live bootable usb
[10:10] <mup> PR snapd#8224 opened: many: clean separation of bootenv mocking vs mock bootloader kinds  <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8224>
[10:11] <mup> PR snapd#8190 closed: overlord, taskrunner: exit on task/ensure error when preseeding <Preseeding 🍞> <Squash-merge> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8190>
[10:19] <ogra> clmsy, there will be an installer some day to flash to internal disk from external storage, but thats not there yet ... an interim solution is described at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/installing-ubuntu-core-on-devices-with-internal-drives/5494
[10:20] <clmsy> thx ogra :)
[13:09] <ijohnson> zyga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1860369
[13:09] <mup> Bug #1860369: Python apps broken in MicroStack (a classic snap) after Jan 14 snapcraft update <core20> <snapd:Triaged by anonymouse67> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860369>
[13:23] <mup> PR snapd#8225 opened: snapcraft.yaml: use sudo -E and remove workaround <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8225>
[16:21] <mup> PR snapd#8226 opened: interfaces/policy/policy_test.go: add more tests <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8226>
[16:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#2962 opened: Go: unable to build snap when using `go mod` and main package is not in the root <Created by pavel-d> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2962>


[00:54] <nigelb> cjohnston: looking
[00:55] <mhall119> AlanBell: is it possible to have the chat open by default?
[00:56] <cjohnston> AlanBell: meetings dont last an hour
[01:25] <nigelb> cjohnston: I ran tarmac manually. debugging.
[03:02] <nigelb> cjohnston: I think I fixed the problem with tarmac. Can you try it tonight and let me know?
[03:02] <cjohnston> no
[03:02] <cjohnston> I'm in bed
[03:03] <nigelb> Sure, tomorrow morning then.
[03:04] <cjohnston> ill review the summit code you write tonight. :)
[03:05] <nigelb> pfft
[03:05] <nigelb> I'm busy with a server migration.
[03:06] <cjohnston> pfft
[03:07] <cjohnston> we upgraded fragaria today... much more risk
[03:10] <nigelb> well
[03:10] <nigelb> I'm upgrading servrs that power about 15websites and there's actual sales going on.
[06:51] <AlanBell> cjohnston: yeah, I know, I am not going to base it on hours, will get it to reload if the current time is after the end time of the meeting it is currently displaying
[06:51] <AlanBell> mhall119: probably, yes
[06:51] <AlanBell> and turn off most of the formatting and other stuff


[00:00] <shauno> hm, cloud-init isn't doing its magic.  I wonder if it's bedtime yet
[00:16] <redtape> shauno. I seem to spend half my time informing yanks that their youtube videos dont work with /that/ type-a music license on it , over here .  [!! gruff gruff]
[00:19] <shauno> my biggest gripe with youtube is that I get adverts in french.  even when I'm logged in
[00:25] <redtape> shauno: My biggest problem is a flirting lance every month of videos from 'nixie pixel'. who ccould be in an old ipod advert or perhaps one of these : http://bit.ly/17CrxKA
[00:37] <redtape> OT | OK so the question of the night is : If I were to pimp this [ http://bit.ly/18j1Y2L ] out (replacing & upgrading all components incl. 3d printed keyboard etc) with everything modern - except keeping the clam-shell. What components would you use (that fit obviously) to get this up-to , say, a dell-netbook standard ? & don't just say that's comparing apple with i-oranges, because that's not the point.
[00:37] <redtape> OK, goodluck, good-night, and happy spiral dreams !
[01:01] <diddledan> http://www.firstmenonthemoon.com/
[01:01] <diddledan> I'll just leave that there
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:44] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[09:48] <dwatkins> I have successfully posted a care package to a friend for her birthday, so I can sit back and relax and potter around fixing things at home for the rest of the day now.
[09:49] <dwatkins> One day, there will be a Star Wars game for Ubuntu that they can put on offer for May the Fourth.
[10:08] <SuperMatt> so... whose up for a game of l4d2?
[10:18] <dwatkins> yeah, SuperMatt
[10:19]  * dwatkins is 'glymph' on Steam
[10:24] <SuperMatt> dwatkins: steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434248589 <- click that
[10:28] <dwatkins> my IRC session is on another machine and it doesn't seem to work in the browser on Win8
[10:28] <SuperMatt> oh right
[10:29] <dwatkins> silly windows
[10:29]  * dwatkins reboots as he's lost his mouse on the first display having alt-tabbed out of the game
[10:29] <SuperMatt> does your picture have a mullet?
[10:29] <dwatkins> no, it's the blue one from Bubble Bobble
[10:29] <SuperMatt> invite sent
[10:30] <dwatkins> ta, now grub has decided to ruin my day...
[10:30] <SuperMatt> lollers
[10:31] <dwatkins> there we go, restarting
[10:33] <SuperMatt> sweet
[10:35] <dwatkins> hooray for not having to use windows
[10:35] <SuperMatt> :)
[10:35] <SuperMatt> I should have said that earlier
[10:36] <dwatkins> no worries, today I learned something awesome :D
[10:37] <dwatkins> Steam appears to be entirely 32-bit.
[10:37] <SuperMatt> yuppers
[10:38] <dwatkins> Hopefully this will be fine, it's busy installing stuff now, updating.
[10:38] <SuperMatt> it will be :)
[10:38] <SuperMatt> so, you've not upgraded to raring?
[10:38] <dwatkins> not yet, is it relatively painless?
[10:38] <SuperMatt> yus
[10:38] <SuperMatt> it's the most painless release yet
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I might move my laptop over to saucy
[10:39] <dwatkins> cool, will pencil that in for tomorrow morning
[10:39] <dwatkins> if the wifi driver worked booting from USB, I'd put Ubuntu on my Macbook Pro, I assume there's some kind of licensing thing there.
[10:40] <dwatkins> heh, Steam's progress windows change theme every time
[10:41] <dwatkins> <Doc Brown>Eighteen Gigabytes! </Doc Brown>
[10:42] <dwatkins> <Doc Brown>Eighteen Gigabytes?!</Doc Brown>
[10:42] <SuperMatt> is that how big it is?
[10:42] <dwatkins> I appear to be required to wait between 6 and 10 hours to download the beta of l4d2, yes.
[10:42] <SuperMatt> cripes, yeah it is
[10:42] <SuperMatt> dang
[10:43] <dwatkins> Ah, it's decreasing as it finds more peers to download from. 2 hours now.
[10:45] <SuperMatt> right, new plan for my laptop, 5 partitions: raring 32 (for work vpn purposes), saucy 64, arch, magia and finally a partition for any os that I wanna test
[10:46] <dwatkins> you must reboot a lot ;)
[10:46] <SuperMatt> my laptop, yes, because it's not used for anything because messing around
[10:46] <dwatkins> aha cool, I have a netbook that I use for that sort of thing
[10:47] <SuperMatt> my desktop is the one machine that I don't upgrade until release
[10:47] <dwatkins> I tend to mostly use my desktop for gaming, so it doesn't make a gigantic difference what it's running.
[10:51] <dwatkins> It's neat that I can throw a text file at Festival and have it read it out whilst I do other stuff.
[10:52] <SuperMatt> that's cool
[10:52] <dwatkins> http://www.xenocafe.com/tutorials/php/festival_text_to_speech/ for the curious (I didn't follow this, but it might be all you need)
[10:54] <dwatkins> Not sure how you select voices, I changed the config file.
[10:54] <Nafallo> dwatkins: I tried that with an IRClog back in 2005. didn't work very well ;-)
[10:54] <Nafallo> it kept saying < > :-P
[10:58] <dwatkins> haha, yeah - it doesn't do too well with things like that - I'm listening to it read out the history of usenet, and it keeps saying the section numbers like they're part of a sentence.
[11:00] <dwatkins> for the curious: http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ch106.x10
[13:45] <popey> yayMorning!
[13:51] <dwatkins> SuperMatt: the game failed to start, so I'm trying an upgrade to Raring.
[13:51] <dwatkins> ello popey
[13:51] <dwatkins> I trust all goes well.
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <popey> \o/ home
[13:52] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[13:52] <dwatkins> Welcome back to the land of semi-skimmed milk and slightly concerned beekepers.
[13:56] <SuperMatt> dwatkins: D:
[13:58] <popey> also, no buffalo wings
[13:58] <popey> i had buffalo wings almost every day while out there
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> flying buffalo?
[14:00]  * dwatkins notes that xscreensaver has been removed
[14:00] <dwatkins> How will I get my GLMatrix now? :'(
[14:04] <popey> !info xscreensaver
[14:04] <popey> that bot probably should be updated to raring
[14:10] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/256410
[14:11] <ali1234> unity screen corruption
[14:11] <SuperMatt> now x-screensaver has been removed, does that mean that a more thematically consistant unlock screen can be made?
[14:11] <ali1234> raring seems to be the worst version yet
[14:11] <ali1234> SuperMatt: no, because that was never xscreensaver in the first place
[14:11] <SuperMatt> I couldn't disagree more
[14:11] <brobostigon> new dr who tonight, bbc1 6.30pm, :)
[14:12] <SuperMatt> ali1234: sure, but I think that x-screensaver was then calling a different library for unlocking
[14:12] <SuperMatt> or something
[14:12] <dwatkins> from what I understood, the unlock screen was simple for security reasons
[14:12] <dwatkins> I'm not bothered about the password entry box, I just want to have GLMatrix as my screensaver :D
[14:15] <ali1234> also, in what sense has xscreensaver been removed? it is still in the repositories like always
[14:16] <ali1234> it hasn't been installed by default since about 2007
[14:18] <dwatkins> oh, I got the impression from the upgrade that it was going to be removed from my system
[14:19] <ali1234> probably, upgrading often does weird things
[14:19] <dwatkins> fair enough, I'll have a look assuming the upgrade completes ok second time around
[14:19] <ali1234> bug 1176348
[14:20] <ali1234> may or may not be related to 1174054
[14:21] <popey> surely xscreensaver has been unmaintained upstream for _years_ ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xscreensaver
[14:23] <dwatkins> I'll screenshot any further messages about it.
[14:24] <dwatkins> Perhaps because the default is to use gnome-screensaver, it removes xscreensaver when upgrading.
[14:24] <dwatkins> discussed in bug 775369
[14:26] <ali1234> 5.2104-Feb-2013 - so unless by upstream you mean "debian"
[14:33] <popey> i thought it was abandoned upstream (not debian). maybe not.
[14:36] <popey> http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/x/xscreensaver/unstable_changelog
[14:36] <popey> doesn't look heavily maintained
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> jwz moved on to mac stuff, didn't he?
[14:39] <popey> yes, and the DNA Lounge
[14:47] <dwatkins> a 24/7 pizza place, nice
[14:47] <dwatkins> (next door to the DNA Lounge)
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> L4D2 Beta for Linux!
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> on Steam
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> "Preparing Left 4 Dead 2 Beta files for install..."
[15:06] <dwatkins> It's a bit of a big download.
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> only 11.5GB
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> "Time remaining: 25 minutes"
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> \o/ fibre
[15:06] <SuperMatt> 18... it's 18 gig
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> oh.. it's 11 if you have the other HL2 engine stuff installed
[15:06] <SuperMatt> ah right
[15:07] <SuperMatt> makes sense
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> "5.3 MB/s current rate"
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 5.9
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 6.1
[15:07] <SuperMatt> I'm so jealous
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 6.3
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: 100/100 fibre, with a gbit media converter (so I can upgrade to 500/500 or 1000/1000 when $ISP allows it)
[15:10] <SuperMatt> :'(
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: come to the Netherlands, most homes will have this kind of connectivity by 2015
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: stating in smaller towns, then later the bigger cities
[15:16] <ali1234> how do i hide users from the login screen?
[15:16] <SuperMatt> in /etc/lightdm/users.conf or something
[15:19] <ali1234> no, that is broken
[15:19] <ali1234> you have to give them uid < 1000
[15:19] <SuperMatt> oh
[15:19] <SuperMatt> that sucks
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[15:19] <SuperMatt> I had no idea
[15:19] <ali1234> then they are "system" accounts
[15:20] <ali1234> which is what i actually wanted anyway
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> how hard can it be to have tests that make sure things like this don't break?
[15:20] <ali1234> it never "broke"
[15:20] <ali1234> it's never worked
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> :(
[15:21] <ali1234> i'm now back on gnome-fallback because of the screen corruption and blank windows in unity
[17:27] <brobostigon> 3 minute warning, to new dr who, bbc1.
[17:27] <SuperMatt> \o/
[17:27] <SuperMatt> I'm already seated and waiting
[17:27] <brobostigon> :) beer in hand.
[17:28] <SuperMatt> I'm off alcohol at the moment
[17:29]  * dwatkins begins streaming
[17:29] <redtape> Why is doing group calls on skype such a clusterfaq every Weekend ?
[17:33] <zleap> dunno,  i take it you mean it isn't working properly
[17:37] <SuperMatt> I do so love that sontaran
[17:38] <dwatkins> his misunderstandings are the best
[17:40] <shrik> hello all
[17:41] <SuperMatt> hello
[17:42] <Myrtti> redtape: "use Google Hangouts"
[17:43] <brobostigon> no spoilers chaps and gals, for those that have to record and not watch now.
[17:44] <SuperMatt> ok, we shan't
[17:44] <SuperMatt> but that thing with the chiken was awesome
[17:45] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm watching ice hockey *now* (because it's delayed 30mins on youtube already) and Dr. Who later
[17:49] <SuperMatt> dang, I'm now going to have to watch it later to >.<
[17:50] <SuperMatt> my mum's partner has switched the over to golf, and tbh, I wasn't fully paying attention :/
[17:50] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[17:50] <penguin42> hmm interesting - 1st time I plugged in the Nook it ID'd as an OMAP, only now after a first boot/register is it showing up as a Nook
[17:51] <SuperMatt> nm, I'll just download an HD copy tomorrow and watch it on monday
[17:51] <brobostigon> get_iplayer :)
[17:52] <SuperMatt> eztv.it works well for me
[17:53]  * popey grabbed it via get_iplayer last week and watched it on the plane on the way back today
[17:53] <brobostigon> :)
[17:54] <dwatkins> haha, I knew that kid was going to be called that
[17:54] <dwatkins> something about the way he spoke
[18:04] <popey> no spoilers!
[18:15] <dwatkins> of course, it was a great episode though.
[18:23] <brobostigon> it was good, yes.
[18:58] <meet> I am using ubuntu gnome 13.04. I upgraded the gnome 3.6 to 3.8. But many of the features i listed on the gnome site are missing. for example search settings or clock or even classic mode. How do I get those?
[19:06] <brobostigon> meet: ok, between 3.6 and 3.8 fall back mode was removed, and uses gnome extensions to emulate something more traditional.
[19:19] <meet> brobostigon: but the privacy or search settings and the clock app? those are also not there
[19:20] <brobostigon> meet: i havemt tried 3.8 yet, so cant be of much help, sorry.
[19:20] <meet> ok..thanks
[19:21] <brobostigon> anyways i run gnome in full mode, not fallback etc, so those things are alittle difefrent.
[19:21] <meet> brobostigon: ya i also don't want the fallback mode. i was just saying that these features are missing
[19:22] <brobostigon> meet: so you dont have clock and date in top-centre? and when you press it, calendar doesnt appear?
[19:24] <brobostigon> and or*
[19:24] <meet> some features are there. clock and date are there. In 3.8 they have got something clocked clock app. or the privacy and search settings are provided for what is searched in the overview search.
[19:25] <brobostigon> clocked clock app?
[19:25] <meet> sorry.. *called clock app
[19:26] <brobostigon> meet: what happens if you reinstall gnome-shell and wipe it settings, does it go back to normal?
[19:26] <brobostigon> its*
[19:27] <meet> did not try that. I mean I am using ubuntu gnome so don't know what will happen if i remove gnome-shell itself
[19:28] <brobostigon> i dont see why it shouldnt be a problem, but some inside the upgrade might have screwed the settings, i am wondering what will happen, if you take it back to standard.
[19:29] <meet> so do you mean i remove 3.8 and downgrade to 3.6?
[19:29] <brobostigon> as long as for example, you remove gdm3 then reboot without a login manager.
[19:29] <brobostigon> meet: no, just reinstall 3.8 and wipe its settings on remove.
[19:30] <brobostigon> meet: so it starts as standard with standard settings.
[19:30] <meet> but if i do apt-get install gnome-shell it says nothing to install or upgrade
[19:30] <brobostigon> because, that is trying to install something that is already there, and a version that is already there.
[19:31] <brobostigon> apt-get purge - then apt-get install
[19:31] <brobostigon> meet: it works here, but please ask other for advice, it can go wrong.
[19:32] <meet> brobostigon: so at the end of purge.. will i have to restart?
[19:33] <brobostigon> meet: dont, as it might remove gdm3, and that will mean if it might throw you into cli on reboot, insted of gui login.
[19:33] <meet> ok.. and after removing do i add the same ppa?
[19:33] <meet> and same packages?
[19:33] <brobostigon> meet: apt-get install gnome-shell. :)
[19:34] <meet> ok..
[19:34] <brobostigon> meet: but pleaee hang out, and ask other for their opinion, i have managed to break it several times in many ways.
[19:46] <stevepdp> hey folks
[23:35] <penguin42> hmph raring's file's what kernel 2.6.32 at least; a bit new to stuff onto a random ARM device, wheezy's armhf is happy with 2.6.26


[05:07] <mapps> hi;]7
[05:30] <mapps> no night owls  up?
[06:08] <knightwise> morning
[06:10] <knightwise> join #xps13 #reddit
[07:07] <knightwise> mornign
[10:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:19] <mapps> hello;]
[13:19] <penguin42> hey
[13:20] <mapps> homeland finale tonight;D
[20:30] <diddledan__> another rocket going-up at 01:29 - this one from spacex and they're going to attempt another landing, this time back at launch site rather than a barge : http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[20:31] <diddledan__> the video hasn't started yet tho
[20:31] <penguin42> I wonder why they decided not to go with the barge this time; a barge sounds like a much better place to land stuff
[20:32] <diddledan__> penguin42: less moving target :-p
[20:32] <diddledan__> that's a guess tho
[20:32] <diddledan__> I don't know the answer
[20:34] <penguin42> pity, their barges had nice names
[20:35]  * daftykins is playing with Server 2012 R2 and Hyper-V for a job at his old College
[20:35] <daftykins> damn it's horrible :P
[20:39] <diddledan__> heh
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> they're running out of barges? :-P
[20:41] <diddledan__> yeah, torpedoing them doesn't help
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> pesky nasa zeros? :-)
[20:42] <diddledan__> yeah. that and weirdo decimal points. and weirdo conversions between feet and cm
[20:42] <diddledan__> when working for nasa, always remember to not carry the 1
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> we should all switch to smoots... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot
[20:48] <diddledan__> I like that teh googs does smoots
[20:50] <daftykins> diddledan__: i think you just had a seizure mid-sentence there
[20:50] <diddledan__> lol
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> no no 'e's trying to be hip, down and cool with the kids :-)
[20:53] <daftykins> i had him pegged for doing a voice artist try out for the chef on the muppets
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> der smooty booty dooty?
[20:54] <daftykins> ho-hoo, careful with that talk around here ;)
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> minds in the gutter...
[20:55] <diddledan__> haha
[20:55] <daftykins> i'll have you know i was expecting you to steal the last booty we plundered
[20:56] <diddledan__> der smooley doodey
[20:56] <diddledan__> ^ what my nephew is good at!
[20:56] <daftykins> i was about to suggest my cat had a paw in that one
[20:57] <diddledan__> pooley. dats der smooley doodey!
[20:57] <diddledan__> don't you love that the web was invented to facilitate the end of the world research (nuclear bombs)
[20:58] <diddledan__> (that's what cern is all about, right?) :-p
[20:58] <daftykins> makes me a tad con-cern'd
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> it's what the cats would have wanted... :-)
[21:02] <diddledan__> well when we nuke ourselves to oblivion, the radiation will help the cockroaches to attain sentience
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> i thought lawyers were sentient?
[21:33] <diddledan__> lol: https://twitter.com/meganamram/status/678688132640825344
[21:47] <daftykins> this is hilarious, to manage this Server 2012 R2 system i need a *second* one to put the management tools on
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> so when poop hits the fan you need 2 working systems to fix things... brilliant... :-)
[21:54] <diddledan__> daftykins: you can put the management tools on a normal windows
[21:55] <daftykins> they advise against SCVMM being on the Hyper-V host
[21:55] <daftykins> so yeah a client console could be on a normal OS, but then SCVMM they talk about being on a VM (which is lulzworthy) or on another host
[21:55] <diddledan__> daftykins: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/09/03/rsat-tools-for-windows-10.aspx looks like you need pro though
[21:56] <diddledan__> oh scvmm
[21:56] <diddledan__> dang
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> piddly little toy oses... :-)
[21:56] <diddledan__> wait, you put the management console in a machine that it's managing?
[21:56] <daftykins> yeah XD
[21:56] <diddledan__> inception!
[21:56] <daftykins> sounds like eggs and baskets eh?
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> if it's a small installation it *should* be an ok thing to do...
[21:57] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: and yep, i'd like to take them off windows server but would likely have an uphill battle from their own IT support department :(
[21:57] <penguin42> daftykins: Drop them into having win server as a guest under KVM ?
[21:58]  * zmoylan-pi remembers running company mail server on windows 95 plus our office wiki.  till it was all replaced with a small business server install that failed a few times per week...
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> such a terrible os
[21:59] <daftykins> well the use-case is my old College, where groups of 12-16 students at a time (a class) would be setting up VMs to learn OS installs as part of a full Windows domain, and/or Linux and Windows desktop OSs
[21:59] <daftykins> i know what was on this big chunky server with oodles of RAM when i taught there 5 years ago, but i'm not sure if it's changed
[21:59] <daftykins> i would likely want to switch to running a free education license of vmware instead
[22:02] <daftykins> server becomes a drone box, maximise the use of resources on it instead of some silly Windows Server product... then just one client program at the other end to manage it
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> that windows 95 server also held a bigfoot drive i found for all our office 'media'... such a faithful little server... :-)
[22:03] <diddledan__> haha, spain's "Popular Party" has won the election. That's a great name, like the "Tooting Popular Front"
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> and not the peoples popular party...?
[22:03] <daftykins> XD
[22:03] <diddledan__> nor the popular people's party
[23:30] <penguin42> oh, they've delayed the launch
[23:30] <penguin42> https://j.mp/1UT9kB2
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> they're waiting for lemon soaked napkins to be delivered?
[23:30] <penguin42> yes


[01:24] <wpgmb> darn. Still having trouble with port forwarding between two nics. I disabled onboard nic, removed pci nic and installed a dual nic card I had lying around. Edited the necessary file, reboot, and both nics work fine. However - portforwarding is still not okay. I can ssh into eth1 (the "dhcp" side of the ubuntu ltsp server) and ping a system on the same subnet as eth0 (the backbone gateway of the ltsp server). However - that is only a
[01:25] <wpgmb> edit: the backbone gateway is not eth1, but eth0
[10:50] <chri1> hi all
[10:50] <chri1> I have an Ubuntu prob was hoping someone could help with.
[10:51] <chri1> I installed ubuntu 8.  now it keeps asking to reboot so i want to fresh reinstall. But i cant figure out how to boot from the cd again now that im in ubuntu
[17:02] <sbalneav> Morning all
[17:04] <nubae> hi sbalneav
[17:05] <sbalneav> Hey nubae
[17:06] <sbalneav> So, ready to "solve absolutely any problem that stops hundreds,
[17:06] <sbalneav> thousands, hundred of thousands, or even millions of boys and girls around
[17:06] <sbalneav> the world to completely finish a primary schooling because of the high
[17:06] <sbalneav> costs
[17:06] <sbalneav> :)
[17:06] <sbalneav> We've got our work cut out for us.
[17:12] <nubae> we advance though... and rather fast... too
[19:53] <LaserJock> anyone seen pips1 lately?
[20:07] <highvoltage> not besides that email
[20:12] <ogra> LaserJock, !
[20:13] <ogra> yes, he was here on wed.
[20:13] <LaserJock> highvoltage: still around?
[20:13] <ogra> LaserJock, sbalneav was looking for you s well
[20:13] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[20:13] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm getting us a ubuntu-style download page for edubuntu.org
[20:14] <ogra> nice
[20:18] <LaserJock> ogra: it looks like Ubuntu is further downplaying the Ubuntu Alternate .iso on the download page
[20:18] <LaserJock> so I'm going to put it in  our download page
[20:18] <LaserJock> so it will list both Ubuntu Alternate and Edubuntu Addon
[20:18] <LaserJock> with some helpful wording :-)
[21:20] <LaserJock> stgraber: around?
[21:29] <stgraber> LaserJock: sort of, not for long. I'll likely be leaving the office in 30min or so


[18:07] <pmackinnon> Hello, putting a PR together on GitHub and I'm unclear how to run the OVS (or any non-cli.py) part of the test suite


[04:01] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Could you please upload the new weather-plugin release? The bzr branch is broken and it seems pointless to make a debdiff and upload bug for it
[04:01] <Logan_> hi Noskcaj
[04:02] <Noskcaj> hey Logan_
[04:02] <bluesabre> hey Noskcaj
[04:02] <bluesabre> hiya Logan_
[04:02] <Noskcaj> hey bluesabre
[04:02] <Logan_> hey bluesabre :)
[04:02] <bluesabre> sure, can do, will do
[04:02] <Unit193> Howdy Logan_.
[04:02] <Noskcaj> ty
[04:02] <Logan_> hi Unit193
[04:02] <Noskcaj> Have i missed anything these last few days?
[04:02] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[04:03] <Unit193> Hello bluesabre.
[04:03] <bluesabre> ok, I think we finished the greetings, anybody else lurking?
[04:03] <bluesabre> :D
[04:03]  * Unit193 couldn't help it. :D
[04:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: is unstable also in freeze?
[04:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: You don't freeze unstable exactly.  It's still a stage for testing, but you still need the ack.  Also generally new stuff doesn't get pushed in, as you block your staging area, and generally are only looking for bugs to fix at this point.
[04:09] <bluesabre> ok, just checking since Corsac usually has xfce things updated super quickly in unstable
[04:09] <Unit193> Right, that'd explain it.
[04:09] <bluesabre> k, thanks
[04:10] <Unit193> < Corsac> no new upstream for now || < Corsac> that also mean in case we need to fix something in testing we have to use testing-proposed-updates, which is painful
[04:11] <bluesabre> good to know
[04:11] <bluesabre> I'
[04:11] <bluesabre> ll pay more attention to xfce releases now :)
[04:12] <Unit193> If you weren't so busy at $dayjob, I'd bother you about something else in your packageset. :P
[04:13] <bluesabre> go ahead and ping about anything that needs to be uploaded in the packageset... I can usually find time to package existing things
[06:04] <Unit193> 1357217 seems stalled.
[13:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[13:25] <bluesabre> I think that frequently the "NOCONFIGURE=1 xdg-autogen" has been removed from several packages, was this because of some libtool breakage?  Couldn't build the weather plugin in vivid until I did that
[13:27] <bluesabre> see bottom of http://paste.ubuntu.com/9314489/ for reference
[13:28] <bluesabre> or, was that likely added because of the patches we had?
[13:29] <bluesabre> ah, yup
[13:29] <bluesabre>   * debian/rules: run xdt-autogen and clean up afterwards due to the libm build
[13:29] <bluesabre>     fix.
[13:29] <bluesabre> nvm, go back to sleep
[13:38] <knome> o.o
[14:28] <jjfrv8> elfy, I must have botched something with my local branch. Made your change and tried to re-push and it said branches had diverged.
[14:28] <jjfrv8> I re-pulled, did a "bzr merge" and other things but they didn't help. How about if I delete the original MP and resubmit?
[14:33] <elfy> jjfrv8: okey doke
[14:48] <elfy> jjfrv8: thanks :)
[14:49] <elfy> all done now
[14:49] <jjfrv8> great. thank YOU.
[14:49] <elfy> :)
[15:09] <jjfrv8> ochosi, sorry to bug you again... Can you check my sample powerman screenshot on the wiki? It's much larger than the desktop version that was uploaded earlier.
[15:10] <jjfrv8> I don't know if there's anything to be done about that. You can't resize the dialog and if you scale the image in gimp, it doesn't look so hot.
[15:12] <jjfrv8> ochosi, next question... do you need to do anything to get other connected devices to show up in powerman? I've plugged in every gadget I have and none of them appears.
[15:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: uploaded the weather plugin to vivid
[15:34] <bluesabre> bbl
[15:46] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i'll take a look at the screenshot
[15:46] <ochosi> in terms of devices, it depends on which ones are supported by upower
[15:46] <ochosi> e.g ipods are supported
[15:46] <ochosi> and some wireless mice show up too
[15:47] <ochosi> in fact this should be even better in vivid, because upower0.99 has better devices support from what i read
[15:47] <ochosi> e.g. via bluetooth
[15:48] <jjfrv8> hmmm, I'm not an Apple guy so I guess I'm out of luck there. :)
[15:49] <ochosi> no problem, i can help out with those screenshots
[15:49] <ochosi> and bluesabre also had a wireless mouse iirc
[15:50] <ochosi> also, the size of your screenshot (it's the second one, right?) is totally fine
[15:50] <ochosi> theoretically we could do two versions of the preferences page, one for desktops one for laptops
[15:50] <ochosi> but i dunno, might be overkill
[15:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: when you wanna take another look at panel-switch, lemme know. your mockup was nice, but i'd really try to start out barebone. the more functions we add, the more bugreports and feature requests we get.
[15:52] <jjfrv8> ok, that's good on the screenshot. I'll proceed just with laptop instructions and we can change our minds later, if need be.
[15:52] <jjfrv8> ochosi, fwiw, on vivid I tried a Microsoft wireless mouse, a Canon camera, a Sandisk MP3 playe
[15:52] <jjfrv8> oh wait, not finished typing :)
[15:53] <ochosi> actually, the laptop version is more important anyway
[15:53] <ochosi> and it shows all options
[15:53] <ochosi> there are no desktop-specific options
[15:53] <ochosi> hm, i think logitec mice work
[15:53] <jjfrv8> and a samsung bluetooth cellphone and none of them worked.
[15:53] <ochosi> camera doesn't show up, cause it usually doesn't charge via usb
[15:53] <jjfrv8> oh and a kindle
[15:53] <ochosi> yeah, nothing we can do about that in the powerman
[15:53] <ochosi> it's all up to upower
[15:54] <ochosi> did you try with upower0.99 on vivid? i think that update came in fairly recently
[15:55] <jjfrv8> 0.99.1-3
[15:55] <ochosi> mkay
[15:55] <ochosi> maybe the xfpm package hasn't been updated for upower0.99
[15:55] <ochosi> Noskcaj: ^ ?
[15:56] <ochosi> brb
[17:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: xfpm is updated for upower0.99 in vivid
[17:36] <bluesabre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/xfce4-power-manager
[17:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes, will start barebone on panel switch
[17:37] <bluesabre> not sure if I will get it today, we're doing a lot of running around
[17:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well, re-poke I guess, or not. :P
[17:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, please re-poke
[17:39] <bluesabre> my memory fails me :)
[17:39] <Unit193> Alright, so does the question you had still stand, or did you solve it?
[17:41] <bluesabre> I solved it
[17:41] <bluesabre> it was about the weather plugin, worked my way backwards to figure everything out
[17:43] <bluesabre> gotta run now, bbabl
[18:48] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, ty
[19:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: Other reasons are to update config.(sub,guess) and other files for new archs.
[20:53] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-indicator/0.3.11-0ubuntu7 heh.
[21:49] <jjfrv8> ochosi, at your leisure can you take a look at Preferences and see if I'm even in the ballpark?
[22:07] <jjfrv8> bbl


[21:36] <Lukasz> So is HardyHeron gonna be free Jewfro-Macabbi ?
[21:37] <Jewfro-Macabbi> that's just enabling the driver - the effects are in compiz
[21:37] <Jewfro-Macabbi> free?
[21:37] <Lukasz> I hope you won't have to buy HardyHeron
[21:37] <Jewfro-Macabbi> oh no no
[21:37] <Lukasz> Like no trail or something like that
[21:37] <Lukasz> ok :)
[21:38] <Lukasz> That saves me a lot of time knowing Visual effects work and fglrs ain't freezing
[21:38] <Jewfro-Macabbi> I'll warn you though - gnome is a bit buggy in hardy right now
[21:38] <Lukasz> ok hehe I live
[21:39] <Lukasz> Im getting the i386 one
[21:39] <Lukasz> Shoud be less buggy
[21:39] <Jewfro-Macabbi> oh that's what I'm running - it's still buggy :)
[21:39] <Lukasz> I have amd athlon by the way
[21:39] <Lukasz> When is it going to be released Jewfro-Macabbi ?
[21:39] <Jewfro-Macabbi> april I think
[21:40] <Lukasz> nice
[21:40] <Lukasz> Im gonna test it for sure
[21:40] <Lukasz> Where canI post bugs Jewfro-Macabbi ?
[21:40] <Jewfro-Macabbi> launchpad - but it comes w/bug report software - if something crashes it gives the option to send the crash report
[21:41] <Lukasz> Im having trouble finding fglrx Alpha 5
[21:42] <Jewfro-Macabbi> what - just fglxr is the ati driver - not the name of the upgrade cd
[21:43] <Jewfro-Macabbi> you install that after
[21:43] <Lukasz> yes Jewfro-Macabbi the fglrx is the driver
[21:43] <Lukasz> I also hope can use Control center for Ati Radeon 200 Intergrated/Motherboard Jewfro-Macabbi
[21:44] <Jewfro-Macabbi> I dunno about that - I don't think it's quite the same as the windows version
[21:44] <Lukasz> Ubuntu/Gutsy works that way
[21:44] <Lukasz> Linux edition
[21:44] <Jewfro-Macabbi> I still wouldn't know - I'm nvidia
[21:44] <Lukasz> oki
[21:45] <Lukasz> the link you gave me for HardyHeron is that alpha %?
[21:45] <Lukasz> the link you gave me for HardyHeron is that alpha 5?*
[21:46] <Jewfro-Macabbi> it's the latest build - so I guess
[21:46] <Lukasz> oki :)
[21:47] <Lukasz> Is there a better mirror Jewfro-Macabbi ?
[21:48] <J-_> Will the Intel GMA X3100 GL960 work in hardy?
[21:48] <Lukasz> I found this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-5/
[21:49] <Jewfro-Macabbi> Lukasz, that looks good to - maybe that's what you want
[21:49] <Lukasz> Jewfro-Macabbi, I use the torrent link
[21:50] <Lukasz> Cause http is slow
[21:50] <Jewfro-Macabbi> either works - well I'm off - I've the flu I'm going back to bed - good luck
[21:50] <Lukasz> thnx Jewfro-Macabbi :)
[21:50] <Lukasz> I will work on it toomarow :)
[22:05] <nblracer> hey when will kubuntu hardy 5 with kde be relased
[22:06] <nblracer> i ment to say kde 4
[22:07] <nblracer> with
[22:07] <jpatrick> nblracer: there already is a KDE4 CD
[22:07] <nblracer> alpah 5?
[22:07] <jpatrick> nblracer: they're seperate CDs
[22:07] <nblracer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily-live/
[22:08] <jpatrick> yeah that
[22:09] <nblracer> its not in there
[22:09] <nblracer> look at the struchture of kde 3, there is a release dir.
[22:09] <nblracer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-5/
[22:11] <jpatrick> oh, right, there'll only dailys for KDE4
[22:12] <nblracer> so is that the same?
[22:12] <Rincewind> hi. I just installed hardy and now I can't use aptitude or apt-get. I am behind a proxy. I found a bug regarding this on launchpad but no infos how to solve this. Is there a known workaround?
[22:13] <nblracer> like what is the diffrence between hardy 5 releases of kubuntu 3 and a daily
[22:19] <underwatercow> Can someone please help me? I'm trying to get java working on web pages in 64 bit hardy and I don't seem to be having any luck
[22:20] <underwatercow> I installed the sun-java6-jre/jdk and icedtea-java7-jre/jdk, and the best I can get a gray box on a web site for java apps
[22:21] <h3sp4wn_> Broken for me here as well
[22:21] <h3sp4wn_> (And I think everyone I was told yesterday)
[22:22] <underwatercow> should the sun-java6-jdk and jre work in 64 bit?
[22:23] <Unksi> works at least in sid with netbeans, havent tested on hardy yet
[22:23] <h3sp4wn_> They do but there is no plugin
[22:23] <Unksi> though, java6 doesnt have plugin
[22:23] <underwatercow> h3sp4wn_, Unksi: is there any way to fix that?
[22:24] <h3sp4wn_> I dunno I am going to just get a 32 bit firefox
[22:24] <underwatercow> h3sp4wn_: how hard is that to do?
[22:24] <h3sp4wn_> dunnno how I will handle needing a 32 bit gcc-3.3 base though
[22:24] <h3sp4wn_> Its documented but I dunno whether I would use those methods
[22:24] <underwatercow> Why is there no plugin?
[22:25] <Unksi> underwatercow: the gray box? icedtea has plugin, but no idea how to get it work
[22:25] <underwatercow> Unksi: I installed icedtea and that's when it gave me the gray box
[22:25] <h3sp4wn_> well sane operating systems (solaris) only use 64 bit where it matters (i.e not for the browser)
[22:25] <underwatercow> Unksi: think it has anytihng to do with firefox 3?
[22:25] <Unksi> no idea
[22:27] <Unksi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icedtea-java7/+bug/177514
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177514 in icedtea-java7 "firefox 64-bit IcedTea java not working." [Medium,Confirmed]
[22:27] <Unksi> theres a bug report for that
[22:29] <h3sp4wn_> I usually get the java plugin working by default I dunno of anything I use that actually needs it though
[22:29] <h3sp4wn_> except the java ssh client I have
[22:30] <h3sp4wn_> (that runs from a webpage)
[22:30] <underwatercow> stupid bugs
[22:32] <underwatercow> looks like there might be a way to turn it into a deb and install it?
[22:33] <h3sp4wn_> I would just set it up in /opt its all statically linked so shouldn't matter
[22:34] <h3sp4wn_> the question is do I want firefox 3 or 2 or granparadiso 3.0b4 or trunk
[22:35] <hydrogen> opera.
[22:36] <h3sp4wn_> Could do I still need the 32 bit java though
[22:36] <h3sp4wn_> I guess I would need the static linked opera
[22:38] <Assid> err whats safer rsa/dsa?
[22:44] <nemo> *sigh* I miss having wine
[22:46] <h3sp4wn_> Assid: rsa
[22:53] <Amaranth> nemo: my wine works perfectly :)
[22:53] <Amaranth> not sure what the bug with the package is but i used that package to build my own patched version (needed for a game I play) and it works fine
[22:55] <underwatercow> My wine doesn't work wither
[22:55] <underwatercow> either*
[22:55] <underwatercow> :(
[23:07] <Kuni> So I've found an issue with Hardy. I have no way to describe, no logs of it, no information of what causes it, other than the symptoms. While annoying it doesn't bug me that much, but I thought I'd let y'all know about it. Every now and then, everything just stops. Period. It's a lot like what happens when linux runs out of RAM, except that my swap is untouched and my ram usage is always less than 50%. Like I said, I have no idea what cau
[23:07] <Kuni> ses it.
[23:07] <nemo> Amaranth: I don't really use it enough to bother with that.
[23:08] <nemo> Amaranth: I wish someone would push out a patched version...
[23:08] <Amaranth> nemo: Well, it's a weekend
[23:08] <ompaul> Kuni, did you try sshing in from a remote box?
[23:08] <nemo> Amaranth: has been about a week
[23:08] <nemo> Amaranth: actually maybe more. 2 ?
[23:08] <Kuni> ompaul: heh, nope. Never done that in my life.
[23:08] <Amaranth> No, I think it has only been a week
[23:08] <nemo> Kuni: do you use a virtual machine?
[23:08] <Kuni> nemo: nope.
[23:08] <nemo> Kuni: also, does the system respond to magic sysrq?
[23:09] <Kuni> magic sysrq?
[23:09] <nemo> hmmm.
[23:09] <Amaranth> Either way, we also just had the alpha 5 release so the repos was in a 'slushy' state
[23:09] <nemo> Kuni: look into it.
[23:09] <Amaranth> meaning mostly frozen :)
[23:09] <ompaul> Kuni, sudo apt-get install openssh-server  << do this and see if you can access it from another machine
[23:09] <nemo> Kuni: can you ssh into it?
[23:09] <Amaranth> and now it's a weekend
[23:09] <nemo> heh
[23:09] <nemo> Kuni: thing to isolate is, is X freezing, or is it a kernel panic
[23:09] <nemo> Kuni: and is it magic sysrq responsive if the latter. and can you get a dump and did anything get logged beforehand and what are your settings...
[23:10] <Amaranth> Kuni: nvidia?
[23:10] <Kuni> well, I don't think it's x. ctrl+alt+f(1-6) does nothing, nor does ctrl-alt-backspace
[23:10] <Kuni> Yes, nvidia
[23:10] <nemo> Kuni: you might want to also see if there is a report on your hardware that will force something like disabling ACPI or similar
[23:10] <Amaranth> Kuni: Aren't driver bugs awesome?
[23:10] <Kuni> heh, it's a driver bug?
[23:10] <nemo> Amaranth: ah. well. that's an easy one to test :)
[23:10] <nemo> stop using nvidia :)
[23:10] <Amaranth> You'll more than likely only see it when compiz is running
[23:11] <Amaranth> So of course compiz get blamed
[23:11] <Amaranth> What happens is compiz gets stuck in an infinite loop so your screen stops updating and your mouse and keyboard are locked
[23:11] <Kuni> that would explain it
[23:11] <Amaranth> But I've had this a couple times and it always gets stuck calling something in the X server or at some random point where it's not really possible for it to be stuck
[23:12] <Kuni> well at least it's already a known bug
[23:12] <nanonyme> tried ssh'ing in from another computer and killing X server, btw?
[23:12] <Amaranth> alt-sysrq-k will kill your X server
[23:12] <nanonyme> ah
[23:12] <Amaranth> assuming it's just X/compiz stuck and not the whole system
[23:13] <nanonyme> (so there *was* a better way. nice)
[23:13] <Kuni> problem with sshing is that I don't exactly have access to any other system (well, my roommate could help, but he went home for the weekend).
[23:13] <Amaranth> sometimes nvidia will take down the whole system either right then or when you kill the X server
[23:13] <Amaranth> this actually happened to me last night, when I killed the X server I ended up with most of my vista wallpaper on the screen and it died
[23:14] <Amaranth> my last boot into vista was a week and 3 restarts ago
[23:14] <Kuni> lol
[23:14] <Kuni> wtf?
[23:14] <Amaranth> i guess it was still in VRAM
[23:14] <Amaranth> this is a laptop and even though i have shut it down in that time once i never pulled the battery
[23:14] <Kuni> That's pretty impressive actually
[23:15] <h3sp4wn_> Not had one problem with this quadro (I guess you really do pay for the fact its tested)
[23:15] <Amaranth> there is another fun bug with nvidia 7xxx series cards (mobile and desktop) and dual core processors
[23:15] <Kuni> well that's me
[23:15] <Amaranth> 20,000 wakeups per second and sluggish 3D, completely randomly
[23:15] <Kuni> GeForce Go 7900GS and a Core 2 Duo
[23:16] <Amaranth> unless you lock your CPU into one speed (lowest or highest)
[23:16] <Amaranth> if you let it do freq scaling this bug happens
[23:16] <Amaranth> the fix is not to restart but completely power off the system
[23:16] <Amaranth> you could also turn one core off but then 3D is still jerky
[23:16] <Amaranth> and then there is the fun blinking
[23:17] <Kuni> oh I have another one (I don't know if I've seen it in hardy yet but it happened in gutsy alot)
[23:17] <Amaranth> which happens if you let the GPU do freq scaling
[23:17] <Amaranth> the fix for that is to switch to VT 1 then switch back to X
[23:17] <Kuni> video is all pink and full of lines. I know that's an nvidia bug, too. Dunno if there's a fix yet
[23:17] <Amaranth> pretty sure the 169 driver fixed that one
[23:17] <Kuni> good
[23:17] <Kuni> cause it was annoying in gutsy
[23:17] <Amaranth> yeah, although it was random
[23:18] <Amaranth> but once it happened you had to restart X
[23:18] <Kuni> not even that worked for me
[23:18] <Kuni> I had to reboot
[23:18] <Amaranth> but then sometimes when it got into the state restarting X would lock the system
[23:18] <Amaranth> I hope nouveau gets something I can run compiz on soon
[23:18] <Kuni> nouveau?
[23:18] <Amaranth> I can already play openarena with full 3d acceleration using nouveau but it is of course buggy
[23:19] <Amaranth> nouveau is an open source driver for nvidia cards
[23:19] <Kuni> heh
[23:19] <Amaranth> right now they have 2D acceleration for every card from NV04 to NV40 (7xxx series)
[23:19] <Amaranth> along with randr 1.2 support, etc
[23:19] <Kuni> we're lucky enough to have a company that makes drivers for linux, but we still need to make our own. :)
[23:19] <Amaranth> and experimental 3D acceleration for NV40 cards
[23:21] <Amaranth> we're making our own for ati too
[23:21] <Amaranth> but they're helping us there
[23:21] <Kuni> i know
[23:21] <Kuni> well,
[23:21] <Amaranth> apparently they assume we'll never reach the performance of fglrx
[23:21] <Kuni> they don't make their own for linux, do they?
[23:21] <Amaranth> they do
[23:21] <h3sp4wn_> And at the end of all that XiG's drivers will still be the best
[23:21] <Kuni> oh
[23:21] <h3sp4wn_> (More interesting to see what they do with the specs than anyone else imho)
[23:22] <Amaranth> XiG?
[23:22] <h3sp4wn_> They have had the best ati drivers for decades
[23:22] <h3sp4wn_> http://www.xig.com/
[23:22] <Amaranth> Those guys that bought a license to get access to the X Consortium then decided they had better start making money and closed off all their stuff?
[23:22] <h3sp4wn_> (but they won't do anything without specs)
[23:22] <Amaranth> ah, yep, that's then
[23:23] <Amaranth> They started out as guys working on open source stuff but in order to get the X Consortium to listen to them they had to buy into in as a company
[23:23] <h3sp4wn_> The fact still remains they make vastly better drivers than anyone else
[23:23] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn_: This I doubt
[23:23] <Amaranth> That'd be Intel
[23:23] <Kuni> hehehe
[23:23] <Kuni> Intel makes ATI drivers? :P
[23:24] <Amaranth> hahahha
[23:24] <Amaranth> The XiG guys only make drivers for the R100 and R200 cards
[23:24] <h3sp4wn_> Amaranth: Nah intel still uses xorg
[23:24] <Kuni> Cause I coulda sworn they hated AMD...
[23:24] <Amaranth> Which ATI gave us specs for long ago
[23:24] <h3sp4wn_> Yes but they wouldn't give specs to anyone for anything more recent
[23:24] <Amaranth> Yeah, I guarantee they don't do better than us there
[23:24] <Amaranth> Because if they don't do anything without specs then they don't have Hyper-Z support
[23:24] <h3sp4wn_> ?
[23:25] <h3sp4wn_> Have you compared the things its like completely different hardware
[23:25] <Amaranth> Hyper-Z is crucial to getting good performance out of those cards because they have such low bandwidth
[23:25] <nanonyme> i've been hearing rumours that the AMD cards they'll be at some point releasing would be open-spec'd though
[23:25] <Amaranth> and with gallium we're going to have drivers that blow everyone else out of the water
[23:26] <Amaranth> nvidia, amd, whatever intel does on vista
[23:26] <h3sp4wn_> Never happened before ever
[23:26] <Amaranth> won't stand a chance
[23:26] <h3sp4wn_> (for those ati cards with specs) - no reason to think its likely to happen now
[23:26] <Amaranth> gallium uses LLVM to optimize shaders on the fly
[23:26] <Amaranth> so you can write really crappy shaders and LLVM will still make them really fast
[23:27] <Kuni> I sure hope that happens. Because I'd love to say that gaming on a linux box has better graphics than windows.
[23:27] <Amaranth> and tuned specifically for your card
[23:27] <Amaranth> and, as i'm sure you know, basically everything is shaders these days
[23:27] <Kuni> "You say linux is bad for gaming? Take THIS"
[23:27] <h3sp4wn_> "everything ?"
[23:28] <h3sp4wn_> Most of what I care about is just opengl
[23:28] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn_: the R600 (Radeon HD) doesn't even had special 2D hardware
[23:28] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: yup! even models and textures are really just shaders in disguise now.
[23:28] <Amaranth> it's all the 3D engine
[23:28] <Amaranth> Kuni: haha, you know what i mean
[23:28] <Amaranth> that's data
[23:28] <Kuni> I know I know
[23:28] <Kuni> I love being a smartass though.
[23:29] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn_: and afaik on the R600 the fixed function stuff (regular OpenGL commands) will have to be implemented using the shader engine
[23:30] <Amaranth> have you seen OpenGL 3?
[23:30] <Kuni> No, but I've seen the fiasco that was DX10.
[23:30] <Kuni> (so far)
[23:30] <tino> Found itah, it was xserver-xorg-video-ati version 1:<IP_ADDRESS> that was giving
[23:30] <Amaranth> heh, same kind of thing
[23:30] <tino> troubles
[23:30] <tino> 1:6.7.197 is fine
[23:31] <h3sp4wn_> I am more interested in using this gpu as a co processor
[23:32] <h3sp4wn_> If such as cadence can offload stuff to that and make my simulations faster then its worthwhile
[23:36] <h3sp4wn_> underwatercow: you can just put firefox into /opt and java 32 bit (use the .bin) you need LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 in /etc/environment or java won't work


[01:46] <wallyv_> Hi all.  I hope im in the right place.  I wanted to get involved wiht ubuntu development, and the wiki pages are a little self contradicting.  they talk about MOTU, core, etc.  Where should I go to get started?
[01:47] <TheMuso> wallyv_: If you are interested in packaging, #ubuntu-motu and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU are the places to go.
[01:48] <wallyv_> Thanks.  That is probably the best way to get started, ease into it.  thank you
[01:53] <micahcowan> Would somebody like to review my patch to gawk (bug 58256), for inclusion into gutsy?
[01:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[01:57] <jdong> ok, I need to write an apology letter to Colin or send him a cake or something.....
[01:58] <jdong> I just totally hackjobbed all of casper
[01:58] <jdong> to make a all-from-RAM Ubuntu-ish distro :)
[02:02] <jdong> in my defense casper toram did not work :)
[02:41] <cjwatson> jdong: doesn't bother me, I only hack on casper when I need to, I don't actually maintain it ...
[02:41] <cjwatson> send cake to Tollef :)
[02:42] <jdong> cjwatson: lol, I will remember that :D
[02:43] <jdong> cjwatson: am I correct in interpreting that casper's default "copy to ram" functionality decompresses the squashfs to a tmpfs?
[02:43] <jdong> (and that it actually doesn't work in Feisty because nothing is setting ${TORAM} from /proc/cmdline...)
[02:44] <cjwatson> jdong: I committed a fix for that to bzr, but I didn't upload it because I still couldn't get it to work
[02:44] <jdong> cjwatson: ah, ok, I guess not a big deal, since the current toram method takes an obscene 2GB-ish RAM anyway... :(
[02:44] <cjwatson> hmm, no, that was something else, sorry
[02:45] <cjwatson> yes, command-line option handling is missing from Ubuntu casper versus Debian casper
[02:45] <jdong> I had a 500MB squash, forcing TORAM=1 caused an OOM on a 1GB RAM machine
[02:45] <jdong> so I am guessing it actually copies everything from the squashfs to the tmpfs
[02:45] <cjwatson> I think Tollef had a hard time distinguishing sensible things they'd done to casper from things that were a bit less sensible, and some features they added went astray as a result
[02:45] <jdong> instead of just copying the squashfs image
[02:46] <cjwatson> that's how it appears from the code, but I really haven't looked at it long enough to work out what it should be doing
[02:46] <jdong> heh, IMO it's more sensible not to be decompressing the whole thing, especailly since we just unionfs it anyway :)
[02:47] <cjwatson> the TODISK stuff is, er, interesting
[02:47] <cjwatson> hello, ubiquity
[02:47] <jdong> lol :)
[02:47] <cjwatson> jdong: it's not entirely clear to me what it's trying to do in the first place
[02:47] <cjwatson> avoid seeks?
[02:47] <cjwatson> that would make TODISK make a little more sense I guess
[02:48] <jdong> cjwatson: from what I understand and observed, it's mounting the squashfs, and copying everything off it to a tmpfs
[02:48] <jdong> while what makes sense would be copying the squashfs file to a /tmpfs, then proceeding to boot.
[02:48] <jdong> (whichi s what I hackjobbed my casper to do)
[02:48] <cjwatson> mm, could be
[02:48] <cjwatson> talk to the Debian casper folks about it? it's their feature :)
[02:48] <jdong> ok :)
[02:48] <jmg> oh casper, the friendly ghost
[02:49] <cjwatson> the man page really doesn't go very far towards explaining the intent
[02:49] <jdong> well, the intent with ohter distros is for long-term livecd usage, it's faster from RAM
[02:49] <cjwatson> that does make sense
[02:49] <jdong> and for me in this case, I want my system to be stateless and my laptop hard drive to spin down
[02:56] <`23meg> cjwatson: are you sure this ubiquity bug is a duplicate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/108107
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108107 in ubiquity "Ubiquity should request confirmation before closing during instillation (dup-of: 107686)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107686 in ubiquity "Installation doesn't stop when clicking cancel" [High,Confirmed]
[03:06] <cjwatson> `23meg: yes, even though they're superficially different. I've added a comment.
[03:09] <cjwatson> the close button is busted in too many places and needs somebody to go through both gtk and kde frontends making sure it does the right thing
[03:09] <`23meg> ah ok, thanks for the clarification
[04:18] <backtick> Hi all (i hope i'm not asking in the wrong channel but this is a libc issue) .. calling getaddrinfo() fails on domains names (labels) starting/ending with a dash like http://-electra-.deviantart.com ...any idea why? I'm using fesity with stock packages (nothing compiled by hand)compiled by hand)..
[04:19] <backtick> Mozilla (firefox) relies on this function for looking up domain names and so it fails on Ubuntu but works fine on Windows
[04:20] <mjg59> backtick: It's illegal for a DNS name to start or end with a hyphen
[04:21] <mjg59> See RFC1035, for instance
[04:21] <backtick> mjg59: it's not extactly illegal .. accodring to RFC 1034 it's not preferred http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1034/12.htm
[04:22] <mjg59> "The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names.  They must
[04:22] <mjg59> start with a letter, end with a letter or digit, and have as interior
[04:22] <mjg59> characters only letters, digits, and hyphen."
[04:23] <mjg59> ie, they can't start with a hyphen or end with a hyphen
[04:24] <backtick> mjg59: i understand but i think the library should be a little loose with specifications to handle those who don't adhere
[04:24] <mjg59> backtick: Shrug.
[04:24] <mjg59> There's an argument for that, but it's certainly not a bug that it doesn't work
[04:25] <backtick> I understand
[05:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:22] <ajmitch> hi fabbione
[08:30] <mdke> cjwatson: did you get anywhere with discussing the question of md5sum hashes?
[08:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <pygi> hi dholbach
[08:50] <dholbach> hey pygi
[08:53] <geser> morning dholbach
[08:53] <dholbach> hey geser
[08:54] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[09:00] <pitti> Good morning
[09:00] <mdke> morning all
[09:01] <pygi> hi pitti and mdke
[09:01] <Burgundavia> morning pitti, mdke, pygi
[09:01] <pygi> and Burgundavia :)
[09:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:12] <doko> hi pitti
[09:13] <doko> pitti: please approve python-defaults for feisty-proposed (reverting the change from yesterday, now that python2.5 is built on sparc)
[09:14] <pitti> doko: done
[09:38] <siretart> morning folks!
[09:39] <pitti> hey siretart
[09:39] <siretart> oh, mjg59's membership in ubuntu-core-dev expired today
[09:39] <siretart> huhu pitti
[09:39] <pitti> geser: oh, why bother merging php4-* from Debian? We should rather remove them
[09:40] <siretart> I remember reading some plans to drop apache1.x and php4 from debian/testing
[09:43] <pitti> yay, merges.u.c. is up to date
[09:43] <pitti> siretart: high time for that
[09:46] <geser> pitti: that are packages providing a php4 and php5 module (although they are named php4-*)
[09:46] <sbalneav> elmo: Hey, is gobby.ubuntu.com around this time?
[09:46] <pitti> geser: ah, I see
[09:47] <sbalneav> pitti: Hey! How's it going?  I'll owe you some beers here!
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: pretty good! hmm, beer :)
[09:48] <sbalneav> When do you arrive?
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: will you guys come to Sevilla?
[09:48] <sbalneav> I'm here now!
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: oh, great!
[09:48] <sbalneav> I'm at UES
[09:48] <pitti> sbalneav: tomorrow evening
[09:49] <Amaranth> heh
[09:50] <Amaranth> i still haven't found someone who is arriving tomorrow afternoon
[09:50] <Amaranth> they're either already there or get there late at night
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: I am ariving tomorrow afternoon
[09:50] <Amaranth> Treenaks: when?
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: plane lands at 17:00
[09:50] <Amaranth> err, that's evening to me :P
[09:50] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it's not late at night ;)
[09:50] <Amaranth> heh
[09:51] <Treenaks> (I hope..)
[09:51] <Amaranth> i meant more like 1300-1400
[09:51] <Treenaks> I'm probably in Madrid then :)
[09:51] <Treenaks> or somewhere high above France/Spain
[09:52] <manchicken> Anybody gonna be at San Pablo at 1300 on Saturday (localtime)?
[09:52] <manchicken> I'm looking to share a cab.
[09:52] <Amaranth> haha
[09:52] <Amaranth> so am i
[09:52] <Amaranth> and my plane lands at 1255 iirc
[09:53] <Amaranth> are you on the same flight?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> anybody arriving around 11pm on the 5th?
[09:54] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: I think PriceChild said that's about when he gets there
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: Mine too.
[09:54] <Amaranth> manchicken: PM?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> ahh
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: American airlines from Chicago?
[09:54] <Amaranth> manchicken: no, from atlanta
[09:54] <manchicken> Amaranth: Yeah, mine arrives at 12:55PM local time on the 5th.
[09:54] <Amaranth> well, omaha to atlanta to madrid to sevilla
[09:55] <manchicken> I've got Champaign, IL to Chicago, IL, to Madrid, to Sevilla.
[09:55] <Treenaks> AMS->MAD->SVQ
[09:55] <manchicken> I leave tomorrow at 12:40 localtime, I arrive at 12:55 on Saturday localtime.
[09:55] <manchicken> My body is going to be so confused.
[09:55] <Amaranth> manchicken: you must be in the same tiny little plane as me :)
[09:55] <Amaranth> my computer is already set to localtime there
[09:56] <Amaranth> and i was roughly sleeping those hours already because of work so... :)
[09:56] <Treenaks> manchicken: I did something like that to Montreal :)
[09:56] <Treenaks> manchicken: (and back)
[09:56] <Amaranth> i leave today (dude it's after midnight :) at 1353
[09:57] <manchicken> Amaranth: Ooh, yeah.
[09:57] <manchicken> That makes sense.
[09:57] <manchicken> Amaranth: I'll be wearing a blue button up shirt with Marlins on it.     We must do battle.
[09:59] <manchicken> KDE ftw
[09:59] <manchicken> I'm a big-time kubuntuer.
[10:00] <manchicken> I did lots of work on adept for feisty.
[10:00] <Amaranth> i spent my feisty time trying to make compiz not suck
[10:00] <Amaranth> and that's the main goal for gutsy too so obviously something went wrong there
[10:00] <manchicken> I'm sorry to hear that :)
[10:01] <manchicken> As do I.
[10:01] <Amaranth> whoa, wtf
[10:01] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome suddenly started making actions show a different color
[10:01] <manchicken> I hear compiz doesn't have binary blobs embedded in its source.
[10:01] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ah!     I'll just look for buttercup then and we'll be set.
[10:04] <Amaranth> hahaha
[10:04] <manchicken> Wow, my karma is only like 67
[10:04] <Amaranth> kassetra from the forums made that for me
[10:04] <Amaranth> it's got a python, get it? :)
[10:04] <manchicken> It's probably because I don't really use the bug tracker :)
[10:04] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:04] <Treenaks> manchicken: http://www.jambav.com/jambav/blogs/media/buttercup.JPG ?
[10:04] <manchicken> Except that I loathe python :)
[10:05] <Amaranth> i have karma?
[10:05] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes.. 1257 of it
[10:05] <Amaranth> interesting
[10:06] <Amaranth> and wow how does launchpad know about my involvement with libwnck?
[10:06] <manchicken> That buttercup.  What a bombshell.
[10:06] <Treenaks> Amaranth: by parsing commit logs?
[10:06] <Amaranth> oh, right, it's reading gnome's bugzilla
[10:06] <Amaranth> no no, i don't have any commits to libwnck
[10:07] <Amaranth> i did some work on the patches for libwnck to make it work better with compiz
[10:10] <seb128> Amaranth: I think it's simpler than that you did comment on some launchpad libwnck bugs
[10:10] <Amaranth> seb128: but it has me listed as being involved upstream
[10:10] <pitti> iwj: I'm TIL for dpkg; however, can I bribe you to do the merge?
[10:10] <seb128> Amaranth: maybe you opened some upstream tasks
[10:33] <asac> pitti: tbird would like to get some binary NEW care :)
[10:40] <pitti> asac: done
[10:43] <pitti> doko: can I leave the zope3 merge to you?
[10:46] <doko> pitti: sure
[11:26] <mvo_> pitti: do you think that its worth to register a spec for sevilla for the sru-verification process? we could talk about improving the process by getting more members into the sru-verification team and what to do with stuff were verficiation is HW dependant
[11:27] <pitti> mvo_: sounds good
[11:41] <Kmos> php 5.2.2 is out =)
[11:41] <Kmos> http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.2.2
[11:41] <iwj> pitti: Yes.
[11:41] <iwj> pitti: (re dpkg merge, I mean)
[11:42] <pitti> iwj: thanks
[11:42] <iwj> But not right now as I'm leaving in 5 mins or so ...
[11:43] <pitti> iwj: yes, no hurry, I was just checking my merges.u.c. list
[11:48] <ogra> seb128, evo is crashy for me on html mails ... do you know anything about that ?
[11:53] <iwj> See people in Spain!
[11:53] <ogra> enjoy the train ride :)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ole!
[11:59] <seb128> ogra: every time? Can you get a backtrace?
[11:59] <seb128> ogra: I got some crashes but when I restart it the same mail is opened correctly
[11:59] <ogra> seb128, i'm just upgraing the system and hope it goes away, there were some libs and gnome stuff
[11:59] <ogra> right
[11:59] <ogra> same hapens here
[11:59] <ogra> *happens
[11:59] <ogra> i noticed its only html apparently
[12:02] <mvo_> pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sru-verification (I added you and brian and myself)
[12:03] <seb128> that doesn't really look like worth a spec
[12:04] <mvo_> seb128: well, the current process does not scale, it needs to be improved
[12:06] <seb128> mvo_: right, but it looks like rather an organisational problem to discuss than something that need to be speced
[12:07] <mvo_> seb128: is there is another way to allocate some discussion time then to add a spec and propose it to sevilla?
[12:07] <seb128> mvo_: no idea
[12:08] <pitti> mvo_: no, I don't think so
[12:09] <mvo_> seb128: otherwise I agree, if there would be another way
[12:19] <tepsipakki> topic is a bit outdated, s/DeveloperResources/UbuntuDevelopment/ ?
[12:19] <tepsipakki> although there is a redirect
[12:24] <pitti> tepsipakki: right, thanks for spotting
[12:24] <tepsipakki> pitti: cool, np
[12:44] <ogra> seb128, upgrade didnt fix it :/ i'll try to get a BT tonight if i have some spare time
[12:45] <seb128> ogra: that's not like getting a backtrace takes a lot of time
[12:45] <seb128> does it segfault or complain about a non existant symbol or something?
[12:45] <seb128> might the spellchecker changes that broke firefox also or something
[12:45] <seb128> else
[12:48] <ogra> hmm
[12:49] <ogra> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[12:49] <ogra> [Switching to Thread -1233013056 (LWP 20621)]
[12:49] <ogra> 0xb7a6d93f in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.14.so.19
[12:50] <ogra> thats what gdb gives me ... i need the -dbg package for more details
[12:50] <ogra> (bt only lists the lib again, nothing more)
[02:03] <stittel> Hi! Where can I find the current state of work on the Pidgin package for Gutsy? I can't find anything on Launchpad or Bazaar or packages.ubuntu.com or anywhere.
[02:14] <pitti> doko: do you have an idea about the r-base FTBFS? looks toolchainish
[02:17] <doko> pitti: hrm, wrong .so symlink, so it finds the static lib (which works on i386). will fix
[02:40] <cypherbios> mvo_: can I do something like this *apt-get install --reinstall -d `cat packages.list`*  with Synaptic by with a single command-line call method? Where packages.list contains the list of packages I want to download.
[02:40] <mvo_> cypherbios: not currently, I can add something like to for you if you need it for aptoncd
[02:41] <cypherbios> mvo_: Great! It would be very very nice. Please :)
[02:42] <cypherbios> mvo_: did you read my email about this? there are a more details about
[02:43] <mvo_> cypherbios: when did you send it? I don't rember from the top of my head
[02:43] <cypherbios> mvo_: Apr, 28 - 6 days ago
[02:44] <cypherbios> mvo_: the subject was 'synaptic/apt/dpkg behavior', not much intuitive indeed :)
[02:44] <mvo_> cypherbios: right, I have it here. I will answer on my trip to the ubuntu conference
[02:44] <mvo_> cypherbios: sorry that it took so long
[02:45] <cypherbios> mvo_: don't worry, thank you anyway
[02:46] <Hobbsee> HI ALL!!!
[02:47] <pitti> hey Hobbsee! welcome
[02:49] <Hobbsee> pitti: where are you?
[02:51] <pitti> Hobbsee: still in my cozy home, I will start tomorrow noon :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pitti: awww :(
[02:51] <pitti> Hobbsee: still a normal workday today
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pitti: pity.  i kinda figured as much
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it seems that the rooms are are together, which si good
[02:52] <Treenaks> pitti: hey, me too :)
[02:53] <Treenaks> pitti: 12:00 flight from Amsterdam to Madrid, then on to Sevilla (Iberia)
[02:54] <pitti> Treenaks: ah, Dresden - Munich - Barcelona - Sevilla for me, arrival 2015
[02:54] <Simira> Hobbsee: how's Spain? Who are you sharing room with?
[02:54] <Treenaks> pitti: I arrive at 1700
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: elkbuntu
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: just got here
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: looks like I'm not the only one who had difficulties to find a decent flight
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: had lots of fun with metal screening...ugh.
[02:55] <pitti> seb128: gosh, it takes longer to get there than to Montreal
[02:56] <seb128> right
[02:57] <Simira> I believe Tollef uses something like 9 hrs
[02:57] <Hobbsee> lucky
[02:57] <Hobbsee> 26.5 here
[02:57] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: ouch
[02:57] <Treenaks> 5 for me..
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: uh, yeah
[02:58] <Simira> but Hobbsee is like on the other side of the world from the start...
[02:58] <Treenaks> Simira: true..
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Simira: i'm too damned far away
[02:59] <Treenaks> too bad I can't make it to ubucon tomorrow
[03:00] <Hobbsee> we found a suspicious person with a ubuntu sticker on his lapotp at the airport too
[03:01] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: With a weird African accent?
[03:01] <Treenaks> South+
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: nah.  racarr
[03:43] <broonie> pitti: (or anyone) Could someone talk me through how I'm supposed to propose a fix for SRU please?
[03:43] <broonie> I thought I'd followed the procedure but apparently I'd made a mess of it.
[03:44] <pitti> broonie: oh, it wasn't that messy
[03:44] <pitti> broonie: just check the status in gutsy (the default task), create a dapper task, and write a rationale for an SRU
[03:45] <broonie> I can't see any interface allowing me to create tasks.
[03:45] <jdong> pitti: speaking of SRU, anything I can do to make you more comfortable of the KTorrent SRU?
[03:45] <StevenK> broonie: Target to release...
[03:45] <jdong> :)
[03:45] <broonie> On the bug page? I can see "Nominate for release" but that's it.
[03:46] <StevenK> Yeah, that's it.
[03:46] <StevenK> Then someone in -qa (?) will have to approve it.
[03:46] <broonie> I did that AFAICT (it says "Nominated for Dapper" on the bug).
[03:46] <StevenK> Throw me the bug number, and I'll approve it.
[03:47] <broonie> 47815. I think I also need to pull all the info in the bug into a single comment for the formal proposal from what pitti said.
[03:47] <pitti> broonie: 'Target fix to release...' in the left menu
[03:47] <StevenK> bug 47815
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47815 in nis "/usr/lib/yp/ypxfr produces segmentation fault" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47815
[03:47] <broonie> pitti: I can't see that option?
[03:47] <StevenK> broonie: Does it only affect Dapper?
[03:48] <StevenK> broonie: Dapper approved.
[03:48] <pitti> broonie: I approved your proposal for dapper
[03:48] <broonie> Yes. The code is misoptimised by the compiler; the "fix" is to disable optimisation for the relevant file.
[03:49] <broonie> Thanks.
[03:49] <StevenK> So I shouldn't need to add a target for any release after Dapper? Okay.
[03:49] <elmo> Seveas: ping
[03:49] <jdong> stopid network connection
[03:49] <StevenK> elmo: What is that, an auto-ping? :-P
[03:50] <elmo> StevenK: no
[03:50] <Seveas> elmo, pong
[03:51] <elmo> Seveas: who do I contact about making sure freenode don't k-line the conference IP as clonebots
[03:51] <elmo> +?
[03:52] <Seveas> elmo, BearPerson, nalioth, christel or other senior freenode staffers
[03:53] <Seveas> RichiH has an idle time of 3 minutes, he should be around
[03:54] <elmo> Seveas: thanks, talking to nalioth now
[03:57] <StevenK> Oh, twitch.
[03:57] <StevenK> /dev/mapper/system-var 9.9G  9.4G     0 100% /var
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya
[04:22] <pirast> keescook, what about the asterisk security upload? my debdiffs are available for 5 days now :( please have a look at them and upload if they are okay
[04:24] <jdong> pitti: heh bug 112346 has just been filed against the only KTorrent crash fixed in the SRU that's not reported
[04:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112346 in ktorrent "[apport]  ktorrent crashed with signal 7 in memcpy()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112346
[04:24] <jdong> so please consider the SRU :(
[04:25] <pitti> jdong: heh
[04:25] <pitti> jdong: ok, let me dig though that mega-patch again
[04:25] <jdong> sorry about it :(, I don't want it to be that huge either
[04:27] <pitti> jdong: I just got suspicious when I saw a patch changing a set into a list and such
[04:27] <jdong> pitti: understood; apparently it was necessary to fix a memory corruption issue
[04:27] <jdong> or at least that's the way upstream decided to do it
[04:28] <jdong> as I've said before, I am a heavy KTorrent user and I have confidence these patches don't introduce any regressions
[04:28] <pitti> jdong: and this bit still looks wrong:
[04:28] <pitti> +-                              if (ab->isFinished())
[04:28] <pitti> ++                              if (!ab || ab->isFinished())
[04:28] <pitti> +                               {
[04:28] <pitti> +                                       ab->deleteLater();
[04:28] <pitti> jdong: i. e. if ab == NULL, the ->deleteLater() will still crash
[04:30] <jdong> pitti: hmm, interesting.... I'll ask upstream....
[04:34] <jdong> pitti: is there anything else that looks particularly concerning?
[04:34] <pitti> jdong: still digging through; I don't understand kubuntu_06_svn634843_retransmit_timeout.patch, the rest looks good so far
[04:37] <jdong> pitti: apparently timeouts weren't being handled correctly before, and KTorrent wouldn't respond to retransmit requests, which causes other torrent clients to flag KTorrent as "evil"
[04:37] <pitti> ah, thanks
[04:38] <pitti> jdong: ok, I'm through; I made some comments in the bug
[04:39] <jdong> pitti: thanks for the review; I will work on addressing your concerns
[04:39] <pitti> jdong: thank you!
[05:00] <`23meg> !logs
[05:00] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:00] <Solarion> I have finally traced the source of my network-manager troubles
[05:01] <Solarion> apparently my university is using Cisco wireless APs which are outputting Cisco-proprietary cap information (wme_ie instead of the standard rsn_ie or wpa_ie).
[05:17] <cbx33> hey guys, anyone managed to use inotify with python in feisty?
[05:17] <cbx33> i though inotify was a signal callback type system....but from the docs it looks like you have to poll it?
[05:17] <cbx33> am i stupid?
[05:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, you are not
[05:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, so I'm right?
[05:18] <cbx33> and as per the examples
[05:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: I don't know. I just answered on the last question.
[05:18] <cbx33> from pyinotify.pyinotify import (ProcessEvent, SimpleINotify, EventCodes, )
[05:18] <cbx33> doesn't work
[05:18] <cbx33> says ther are no modules called ProcessEvent
[05:19] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage ;)
[05:19] <cbx33> from pyinotify import (ProcessEvent, SimpleINotify, EventCodes, )
[05:19] <cbx33> sorry
[05:19] <cbx33> the above doesn't work either
[05:23] <cbx33> i think pyinotify is broken
[05:25] <Chipzz> cbx33: you don't need the parentheses
[05:25] <Chipzz> (I think)
[05:26] <cbx33> hehe
[05:26] <cbx33> I'm digging deeper
[05:26] <ogra> apt-get install python-pyinotify-doc ??
[05:26] <ogra> ;)
[05:28] <Chipzz> cbx33: class EventsCodes(object):
[05:28] <Chipzz> note the s
[05:30] <cbx33> yes i just modified that
[05:30] <cbx33> ogra, have you got it working
[05:30] <ogra> no
[05:30] <cbx33> in the end i had to modify one of the shared files
[05:31] <cbx33> which had import inotify
[05:31] <cbx33> it had to be import _inotify
[05:31] <ogra> i just pointed out that there is an extensive amount of documentation packaged ;)
[05:31] <cbx33> yes the docs are good
[05:31] <cbx33> however, I have just come up against another problem
[05:31] <cbx33>   File "./inotify.py", line 11, in check
[05:31] <cbx33>     ino.process_events()
[05:31] <cbx33>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/pyinotify/pyinotify.py", line 650, in process_events
[05:31] <cbx33>     proc_fun(e)
[05:31] <cbx33> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable
[05:32] <cbx33> it works fine until there is actually a change to take care of
[05:34] <cbx33> hmm
[05:34] <cbx33> got it working
[05:34] <cbx33> :( i thought inotify was signal callback :(
[05:34] <cbx33> plus it's broken :(
[05:35] <Seveas> cbx33, _inotify is the low level interface, try the things in the inotify module
[05:35] <cbx33> Seveas, well the problem is
[05:36] <cbx33> the pyinotify.py file imports some things from inotify.py that don't exist
[05:36] <cbx33> however they do exist in _inotify.so
[05:36] <cbx33> so now that I've edited the pyinotify.py file it works
[05:37] <cbx33> Seveas, i pinged you yesterday....how is falcon coming along for feisty?
[05:37] <Seveas> cbx33, I have it running on feisty
[05:38] <Seveas> should check what I had to fix and bake a proper package
[05:38] <cbx33> well I'd be interested in it
[05:38] <cbx33> i need to update my repo for VCSFrenzy
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hi all, hi Seveas
[05:39] <Seveas> hi Hobbsee
[05:40] <Seveas> cbx33, pm
[05:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, is elky awake?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: sure, she's playing with the tv
[05:41] <Seveas> heh
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: did you want me to pass on a message?
[05:41] <Seveas> yeah, "prepare for swimming" :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> actually, she's about to login, it looks like - she's just asked me about the password to login
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hahahhahaa
[05:42] <Seveas> It's swimbuntu!
[05:42] <Hobbsee> it's not warm enough to swim!
[05:42] <Seveas> what's the temp. in sevilla?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> 20C or so?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> give or take?
[05:42] <pitti> infinity: can you please give-back javacc? it works fine in a current pbuilder, maybe some build dep like ant was out of date
[05:43] <Hobbsee> i've seen that many airports today that i dont remember which temperature was which
[05:43] <Seveas> weather applet says 20
[05:46] <jdong> and world peace
[05:46] <elkbuntu> ha
[05:46] <elkbuntu> you cant throw us in if you're not here
[05:46] <jdong> :)
[05:47] <Seveas> elkbuntu, I'll arrive there in about 31 hours
[05:47] <Hobbsee> right, so we're safe until....*calculates*
[05:47] <cbx33> jdong, sounds like a beast of a machine
[05:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, midnight tomorrow
[05:48] <Hobbsee> fun
[05:48] <Seveas> elkbuntu, evrn longer
[05:48] <Seveas> plane lands at 00:20
[05:48] <elkbuntu> oh?
[05:48] <jdong> cbx33: certainly does :), looks sexy too
[05:48] <elkbuntu> ah, i thought it was like just before midnight
[05:49] <cbx33> got a link?
[05:49] <jdong> cbx33: apple.com/store? :)
[05:49] <jdong> the one I priced out was like 1400 with student discounts
[05:49] <jdong> which I found reasonable for a system with that specs and that size factor
[05:51] <cbx33> heh
[05:51] <cbx33> yeh
[05:51] <cbx33> back later guys
[05:51] <jdong> yeah, good luck on yor notify stuff :)
[06:33] <pochu> any core-dev can review a one-line change which fixes bug 112384? :)
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112384 in liferea "Liferea doesn't work anymore due to the latest firefox upload (<IP_ADDRESS>+3-0ubuntu1)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112384
[06:34] <pochu> there's a debdiff in the report
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: Done.
[08:14] <jdong> pitti: *grumble grumble* Ktorrent upstream fixed it in their development branch but not their stable one; I will backport the new patch and update the SRU accordingly
[08:14] <pitti> infinity: thank you!
[08:15] <pitti> jdong: hm, I figure the fix for that NULL deref shouldn't be that intrusive?
[08:17] <jdong> pitti: nope, but KT upstream loves to bundle such fixes in svn commits with lots of other random crap too
[08:17] <jdong> no worries, I shall fix :)
[08:17] <pitti> jdong: yay; wasn't that what VCS were built for to avoid? :-/
[08:18] <jdong> pitti: well.. it's better than like 5 months ago when their changelog for a 200-line commit was "Fixed a problem"
[08:18] <jdong> :D
[08:18] <pitti> lol
[08:18] <broonie> jdong: My favourite is "New version"
[08:18] <tepsipakki> can anyone tell me why the x-x-v-ati driver has Conflicts/Replaces/Provides for atimisc/r128/radeon, right from the start when it has been packaged. None of those packages have been in Debian/Ubuntu, so those can probably be dropped from the driver?
[08:19] <broonie> For any commit of any size.
[08:19] <Treenaks> broonie: 'changed a few things'
[08:19] <jdong> broonie: they'd release like 2.0.1 and their changelog to 2.0.0 was "Features and bugfixes"... and we're combing thru like 1000-line debdiffs UVF season.
[08:20] <broonie> Sounds entirely famililar. The guy I'm thinking of just used the same commit message for all commits, each of which could have random numbers of different things going on it.
[08:21] <jdong> :)
[08:39] <afflux_> I can't build a gutsy pbuilder on feisty due to a missing file (E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy)
[08:40] <afflux_> any ideas for a workaround? I'd like to have a pbuilder for gutsy without using gutsy ;)
[08:47] <pochu> afflux_: install debootstrap from gutsy
[08:49] <afflux_> would that mean I get a chroot (but not a pbuilder?)
[08:49] <jdong> no
[08:49] <jdong> pbuilder uses debootstrap to build the base.tgz
[08:50] <jdong> (and a pbuilder is a special form of a chroot)
[08:50] <afflux_> ah.. so I should download debootstrap from gutsy and install it in my feisty?
[08:50] <jdong> yeah, I think that should work
[08:51] <jdong> debootstrap is all non-binary scripts anyway, it should be safe to do
[08:51] <afflux_> okay, I'll have a try
[08:51] <jdong> I should backport debootstrap
[08:55] <afflux> looks good, thank you both
[09:14] <psusi> I can't debootstrap gutsy either because some package fails to install
[09:16] <bashelier> psusi: could you please past the errors you get ? :)
[09:16] <bashelier> we can't help you if you don't ;)
[09:16] <psusi> trying it again and will do so in a second
[09:16] <psusi> it's fetching packages now...
[09:29] <psusi> how do you like that?  today bootstrapping gutsy works
[09:30] <bashelier> psusi: ^^
[09:32] <psusi> guess it's been fixed... I think it was choking on tzdata before
[10:10] <pirast> keescook, hi
[11:11] <Tincho> hi. anybody knows if kyle mcmartin is usually found on irc?
[11:13] <Lure> Tincho: it is, here or in #ubuntu-kernel, but he is probably travelling to uds-sevilla
[11:14] <Tincho> Lure: ah, ok. will mail him then
[11:14] <Tincho> thanks
[11:36] <psusi> can anyone sponsor an upload for me?     I swear to god I wrote a bug email to debian's bts a little bit ago, but I have not had a reply and it isn't in my sent mail folder
[12:00] <Kmos> cjwatson: can you confirm if this one is on gutsy kernel yet ?! bug 106622
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106622 in linux-source-2.6.20 "linux-image-2.6.20-15 fails to properly detect and configure EMS USB-II" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622
[12:04] <desrt> anyone getting to sevilla airport around midnight on the 5/6th want to share a cab? :)


[17:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20120704/
[17:03] <highvoltage> yay!
[21:00] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe, I just got a working Edubuntu dvd build that also includes ltsp-live ;) fixing the seeds to drop that on !i386/amd64
[21:00] <stgraber> but that confirms that we can build everything from a single seed (dvd) and stop having to split it into dvd + daily-live
[21:55] <highvoltage> :)
[22:05] <jbicha> Scratch is now in Debian & Ubuntu so might be worth adding to Edubuntu if you have space
[22:07] <highvoltage> what's that, jbicha?
[22:09] <jbicha> http://scratch.mit.edu/
[22:10] <jbicha> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Scratch_%28programming_language%29


 BTW, are there plans for ANBOX on BQ M10?
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 @malditobastardo, The ports are making progress but since they will be made for 16.04 all eyes are on the progress of this update :)
 it's Halium
 not Helium
 I waiting for port on xiaomi mido
 @iHusky, Im also waiting for rolex device
 Make a Patreon tier adjustment so that we can fund the Ubports team to drink all the energy drinks, coffee and miscellaneous caffeine they need, giving us stable Xenial and Anbox by March :)
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 @iHusky, I don't think anyone is working on that device
 @Riojhe, What you need is a rich benefactor 😂
 I want to join your organization:   https://github.com/ubports
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 i have a BQ 4.5 i can play around with as much as i want (except for simcards, don't have one that fits) - do you guys need a tester on that device?
 @rogieroudshoorn, Is there a danger that we will skew testing by revealing the faults of old hardware, rather than problems with the software?
 What I mean is that testers will disproportionately follow Rogier's logic, while devices like N4 and BQ are gradually falling off the radar and are the least representative for the future?
 heh, only offered to help ;)
 but i guess core devices ought to be tested more extensively
 @rogieroudshoorn, Sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. I was making a scientific point
 Any testing is worthwhile in my opinion. Between the n4 and e4.5 it's a good reference for running on lower powered devices. If you can make your apps responsive on them then that can can only be good right?
 If it is a choice between optimising for devices of the past or devices of the future, I think we should choose the latter. Maybe that is a false dichotomy though? As you say Dan, if it will run on slow hardware, it should fun even better on fast hardware?
 NBR yarram
 not everything depends on the device - bugs in apps will probably show up everywhere
 so testing on any device (or, as marius said during last update, even on the desktop version) will help
 but still, i'd reckon that core devices need more thorough testing
 I see it as catering for all areas of the market. Yes it's great to move forward using mid/high tier power houses, but with them it's easy to discard or put off optimising your code for the lower tier if you aren't actively testing on them. We don't want to exclude any low tier devices if there is a possibility it can be ported to.
 Should we weight the outcome of testing? Treat 4 x BQ 4.5 as equivalent to 1 x OPO?
 why would you?
 No just treat each bug report as a potential bug.
 @DanChapman, There are maybe two categories here. Low tier because old and lie tier because new but budget?
 Yes both of those.
 @rogieroudshoorn, Maybe I am overthinking it. I am concerned about designing to fit hardware that no longer exists by the time the software is fit for purpose
 i think the team is currently focused on getting the software as supported as possible by upstream
 newer features such as anbox will probably only be available for core devices anyway
 i haven't really heard anything about adding more or newer core devices - i guess we'll need 16.04 & halium stable first
 (and i'll probably buy a supported flagship right away)
 @rogieroudshoorn, Seems like OP3 and OP3T quite soon but others a lot more nebulous
 Stats of N4 and BQ4.5 over time would be interesting
 Attrition of N4 seems to be quite high, anecdotally?
 @Stereofont, Do you have a source? :)
 still last years model without cabled convergence :(
 @Callie_Cacophony, Marius G said about six weeks ago that he needs to find time to finish and publish those ports
 @rogieroudshoorn, Marius showed an HTC 10 some time ago, I believe it's quite powerful and supports MHL/slimport...hopefully it'll be officially supported, I might get one :D
 16.04 established well on stable and evolving dynamically will attract more attention and lead to more porting
 @Javacookies, Probably at least one outlier too, such as a Xiaomi. So, realistically four new high powered beast on the horizon
 The unkown is whether a new, budget option will emerge in 2018
 all I want is a very powerful, highly specced...but cheap Ubuntu phone :P
 @Javacookies, With a built in espresso machine 😎
 Did somebody say espresso?
 What else?
 A 6KW, three-phase phone
 Ugg how do we report an app that should be removed from the OpenStore.. The 'Signal' app is not official and it will DE-REGISTER your other devices from signal if it uses the same phone number! This is not how it should work. It should appear as a linked device especially as Ubports is not restricted to just phones..
 Are you using a tablet @alexi? The signal app is a port of the messenger and not Signal Desktop. … It might be useful for them to make that explicit to prevent deregistration but it doesn't need to be removed from the OpenStore. On the contrary I hope it continues and thrives.
 Well given that bother the desktop and app are open code, I have built my own signal app for my phone and friends who don't do google, it shoudl exhibi thte same behaviour.
 It doesn't sync yet. It is just a fix of the old Text-Secure app
 Yeah.. so beta quality at best.. should be up there with warnings..
 @AlexiPistonrod, Fair
 I got a nasty shock when it deregisterted my phone AND my desktop signal at the same time.
 You've built it on Android ot ported it for your own use on UT?
 Just built it for android..  not inot porting atm.
 @AlexiPistonrod, Makes sense for you to co-maintain that project?
 If I was not putting out other fires maybe I would ;) But only switched on my tablet today after about 3 weeks. Just saw the icon and though cool. . maybeth icons should be revised..
 aha. Maybe post a bug report? https://github.com/nanu-c/textsecure-qml/issues … the app is under development and I'm sure teh dev would be open to helpful suggestions.
 Sure can do that.
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 @Stereofont, It's a tough discussion. In my situation, my N4 just died - pretty old now.  And... there really isn't a flagship new device that I can order or force my mom to order.  So, yesterday I would have said 'support older devices' but after my N4 died, now I need at least one new device to recommend. :(  This is why I believe a hard push for Halium solves our pain...
 Hi all, I bought a n5 and I'm going to install ut on it this evening. now I have an e4.5 and I want to move all my data from the bq to the lg: is it enough to copy the `.local` and `.config` folders from the home?
 I need some help here. I am using my OPO as my daily driver with OTA 3, my Nexus 5 is trying out 16.04/devel, which works fine, but when I try to go from UBPorts OTA 3 to 16.04/devel on my Pro 5 it refuses to enter recovery. I have tried two different cables, but same thing. Any clues?
 @Michele, yes but I think there could be conflicts if you simply copy the whole directories, I suggest you pick only the apps you want and just re-setup the system settings/accounts, also if you want to retain wifi networks, it's in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections … then for terminal history, /home/phablet/.bash_history ;)
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 yay
 Thanks @wayneoutthere
 @bhushanshah, you're supposed to fight me!
 we seem to be agreeing too much lately
 By the way... halium is important
 @wayneoutthere, lol
 @Javacookies, which type of conflicts? I won't have any data/config in the n5...
 oh, and I have to reinstall all the apps of course, right?
 yup you have to reinstall....I can't give an exact example but I remember having some issues before when I tried that......well I suggest you wait for some other more expert people here … I could be wrong :P
 ok. thanks for your advices @Javacookies
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 @wayneoutthere, It's a pretty easy decision. You cannot optimize for something which does not yet exist. To claim otherwise is folly.
 @TomasOqvist, I have tried both UBPorts Installer and ubuntu-device-flash with wipe option, but to no avail.
 @dohbee, sorry, I meant something 'current but in existence' not 'prototype' (like Ubuntu Edge)
 example One plus 5T
 Even so
 claiming old devices are not worthwhile is nonsense. they're the only devices which ubports runs on
 and the whole point of unity8 and convergence is that screen size doesn't matter, you build things with grid units and each device has a different number of pixels per grid unit, based on dpi
 and if you optimize something to be fast on an old 4 core 32-bit device with 1 GB RAM, think of how fast it might be on an 8+ core 64-bit device with 4-6 GB
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 @dohbee, Definitely that is not my position.  I agree completely for many reasons that keeping old devices alive and awesome is good.  My only point is that we should have *one* modern, super power kick butt device that works well with UT for those who want to 'future proof' themselves a bit.
[17:27] <tgBot3> <Owen Roe> So is there going to be another goal past $2500 on patreon?
 @dohbee, That is the point I couldn't get my head around. Does designing to the lowest common denominator device hold everything else back or does the additional effort of optimising have benefits right up the chain?
 @Stereofont, If Developers would apply care from the beginning then this is no additional effort. Use profiling tools and increase system load. Dont give the latest hardware to a dev :)
 @Stereofont, While trickle-down economics very much does not work, trickle-up optimizations do in fact
 @dohbee, Lol indeed
 Like in game design, the get beta GPUs but the older PCs will show the game in awful rendering
 The = they
 @dohbee, Agree strongly on the first. Thank you for your answer on the second. I had no insight into how it might work in practice
 besides, you don't necessarily want the highest powered device to be the face of things. it would be way better to have more ethical devices at the forefront
 ie, the FP2 and Purism Librem 5 aren't particularly powerful, but they are going to be the two most ethical
 Maintaining the life of devices is an ethical plus for sure. Though eventually they just break. Also many people in practice do jump to the shiny and new, so the proportion of older devices in use can shrink that way too
 well sure, sort of
 there's only so much "ethical" you can build on top of things built from slave labor in poisonous mining operations
 FP2 does try to tread a middle way on technological advance of course
 new phones break just as often
 but really, to "optimize" unity8 is probably going to take a lot of work nobody has time for
[18:05] <tgBot3> <Wouter Jansen> In episode 35 of the Linux Action News. They also talk about ubports. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3X5aDkuLE&sns=em
 With this talk about how the Signal app signs you out of other clients, that's a problem true. But, does it permit you to sign in on multiple UT devices using this same Signal client? Could I share my account that way say between my Pro 5 and M10?
 it depends on how you sign in
 i don't know if the client in question allows logging in without phone number
 @Stereofont, This for me is a no-brainer: Optimise for the weakest phone, and the more powerful one will be a veritable Death Star.
 This is why I use Lububtu gui on desktop. I get every drop of juice and save energy, even if I have the latest and greatest hardware. It's common sense
 Someone will have to test it I guess.
 @dohbee, No, that is not possible
 Fwd from nanu_c: This is how signal works, you have one identity on your phone and then you can connect the desktop with that identity. If the identity changes, the desktop can't sync either.
 Fwd from nanu_c: So desktop signal is only working on android
 Fwd from nanu_c: So when your identity changes you have to resync always. Unfortunally the process of syncing the desktop is only documented in the signal app for android and I havn't looked into that
 If you are not subscribed to the News Channel, a brand new Ubuntu Touch Audiocast has been dropped.  Just click the news feed subscription and enjoy: https://t.me/ubports_news
 Nanu/Aaron is the developer of UT Signal app
 https://freedom.press/news/signal-beginners/
 hey, I saw here https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5 is linked MDT, but @mariusquabeck said ut support will be dropped, so I think that link should be removed (now or soon)
[20:44] <tgBot3> tiagopires was added by: tiagopires
 @tiagopires, Hello Tiago and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[21:03] <tgBot3> Finn Riordan was added by: Finn Riordan
 hi Finn
[21:05] <tgBot3> <Finn Riordan> Hello
 @per_sonne, +1 for saving energy and natural resources.
 Hi Finn! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @lduboeuf, Battery lasts longer, you get more processing power out of it...coding for top hardware is just lazy. It allows for dirty, messy, unelegant and inefficient code. Like swiping dirt under the rug, paint over stains and pretend it's great.
 A turd is a turd.
 Hi i have a small quiestion i can buy a second hand Meizu pro 5 Ubuntu Edition would this device supported in the future?
 yes, the pro 5 ubuntu edition is supported by ubports
 you may need to reflash with ubports image, but there are several people using it today
 @dohbee, Ok and this will be also into the future ?
 you can see https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 yes, afaik
 @per_sonne, +1
 Thanks guys
[22:12] <tgBot3> <Dave S> Anyone know why wifi hasn't been working on the last few versions of 16.04 on Nexus 5 since at least r186?
 @wayneoutthere I have to say, you are 100% correct about the idea of anbox! :)
 (listening to the audiocast)
[22:25] <tgBot3> Sailor37 was added by: Sailor37
 Welcome @Sailor37! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Hi! Where i can get app list of OpenStore? Im not ubuntu touch yet, but i wanna.
 @Sailor37, That's dead simple! https://open.uappexplorer.com/
 Remember that we are still growing and some of the apps might still be on the way to get really stable, but personally, it's really impressive for me already how far we've come in the short time
 It was interesting view the web link in the app OpenStore.
 @Dave S, I've been wondering this too. I'm on 187.
 @Dave S, I don't know, but I heard about it and that it's known and worked on already
 @peternerlich, Tnx!
[22:38] <tgBot3> Yurii was added by: Sailor37
 @Sailor37, Feel free to come ask for support in the Newcomers Rome anytime, when you decide to install UT!
 @Javacookies, is there anything else I should/could backup?
 Hello Yurii! Same for you, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for the most important information and feel free to ask any question you have!
 What is the main goal of ubports now?
 Freeing devices of Android
 @dohbee, Lol
 @dohbee, But this is the goal of Halium?
 These are not separate projects
 Halium is not an OS
 @dohbee, It will still take a lot of development until I can use an UBports device as my main device. We need more apps, but I see it makes progress.