[10:52] <alexp> Hello everybody. I am aware of the recent build farm issues, but we have a build stuck for a couple of days now. It is not urgent, so we can live with this for now. Still, is there a page somewhere to monitor how deep the build queue is? It would help us getting an idea about the timelines of these builds.
[10:56] <alexp> I'll answer myself, https://launchpad.net/builders. Have a nice day everybody.
[16:00] <patdk-lap> when will launchpad get fixed? my packages have been bouncing between 2 to 6 hours, for the last 20hours
[16:04] <cjwatson> patdk-lap: It's not currently particularly broken (aside from not having Spectre-mitigation microcode for a chunk of our x86 farm, which is in the hands of Intel and AMD), just a longish queue.  I can score up individual builds if they're urgent.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Your build times keep jumping up because new builds arrive with a higher score and jump the queue.
[16:07] <cjwatson> Which happens when we can't quite service the rate of incoming builds quickly enough.
[16:34] <patdk-lap> ya, just attempting to get this dovecot cve patched, but ppa's are kindof low priority so they take awhile
[16:34] <patdk-lap> I don't mind 12hour waits, but 24 is heh
[16:35] <patdk-lap> times like this I should just buildup my own internal systems to do it, but it is a lot of overhead
[16:36] <cjwatson> patdk-lap: like I say, happy to score up things people are actually waiting for; just need to know the build URLs
[16:36] <patdk-lap> https://launchpad.net/~patrickdk/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+packages
[16:36] <patdk-lap> just waiting on the amd64's
[16:39] <cjwatson> patdk-lap: all building now
[16:40] <patdk-lap> nice :)
[16:40] <patdk-lap> once I test them and verify, I'll copy don't rebuild to production repo
[16:40] <patdk-lap> that shouldn't cause a wait again so all should be good
[16:41] <cjwatson> indeed
[16:42] <patdk-lap> think the only other time I had this issue was during an lts release
[16:43] <patdk-lap> if it wasn't for that auth memleak cve issue I wouldn't really mind at all
[16:45] <cjwatson> Yes, pre-Spectre we hadn't had much of a queue for a while.
[16:48] <patdk-lap> ah ya, I didn't think of that, wonder how much the builders slowed down from their patches
[16:50] <patdk-lap> looks good, a new unit test failed for xenial, but otherwise fine, xenial can wait
[18:39] <doublehp> in short, I can reach https://login.ubuntu.com/ and i am said to be logged in, but when I visit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4? i get "Oops!                    Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.                             We’ve recorded what happened,           and we’ll fix it as soon as possible.           Apologies for the inconvenience.
[19:11] <cjwatson> doublehp: Hopefully you got an OOPS ID?  If so, please quote it
[19:12] <doublehp> cjwatson: ... was my line trunckated ?
[19:12] <doublehp> (Error ID:           OOPS-99109a4ff4a3fe6a44f99c058fff1690)
[19:12] <cjwatson> Apparently so
[19:13] <cjwatson> OK, just a minute
[19:23] <cjwatson> doublehp: fixed now, sorry about that.  you ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1607242 due to an old comment from your email address that we imported from another bug tracker.
[19:24] <doublehp> cjwatson: i will eat soon; i will be back in 30-45mn; I will go to bed in 90-120mn - after I left, either send me a memo via memoserv, or an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:24] <cjwatson> doublehp: uh, there should be nothing more to do, just try the login again
[19:24] <doublehp> ok ...
[19:24] <cjwatson> like I say your account should be fixed now
[19:29] <doublehp> first time i use that site, got bugs ... will i receive email notifications when people update my report ?
[19:29] <cjwatson> Yes
[19:29] <doublehp> thanks, bye
[19:29] <cjwatson> np
[21:37] <jfmcarreira> heyyy guys
[21:37] <jfmcarreira> what is the version of debhelper available on xenial?
[21:40] <nacc> !info debhelper xenial
[21:40] <nacc> jfmcarreira: there is also a more recent one in xenial-backports
[21:45] <jfmcarreira> nacc: i have debhelper (>= 9.0.0), and it is not being installed
[21:46] <nacc> jfmcarreira: where? do you have logs
[21:46] <nacc> jfmcarreira: it might mean you have other deps that break it
[21:48] <jfmcarreira> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/354633756/buildlog.txt.gz
[21:49] <jfmcarreira> nacc: as in the past I wanted version 10 I copied from backports to my ppa. but it should not be a problem. it could also use version 10
[21:50] <nacc> jfmcarreira: have you tried to reproduce it in a chdist?
[21:50] <nacc> jfmcarreira: or build it locally to see?
[21:50] <jfmcarreira> debuild -uc -us -b??
[21:51] <nacc> jfmcarreira: with -backports enabled, presumably
[21:51] <nacc> i'd use an sbuild or a lxd to do it
[21:57] <jfmcarreira> whats the command to auto download source?
[21:57] <jfmcarreira> trying to use sbuild
[21:57] <nacc> jfmcarreira: how do you mean?
[21:58] <jfmcarreira> the comand to download the source based on info on debian folder
[21:59] <nacc> jfmcarreira: if you have the debian folder, you have the source package already?
[21:59] <nacc> jfmcarreira: sorry, i'm not following
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> uscan
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> i mean uscan
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> fetch the source doe
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> code*
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> sbuild requires
[22:00] <nacc> uscan and uupdate
[22:00] <nacc> they get the orig tarballs
[22:00] <jfmcarreira> nacc: yeah thats it. sbuild required it
[22:00] <nacc> jfmcarreira: you can also just download the files from the ppa
[22:01] <jfmcarreira> nacc: done.
[22:02] <jfmcarreira> now i get an error with debuild: "dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "usr/lib/libPlaYUVerLib.so*" (tried in "." and "debian/tmp")" with the pattern because it puts in usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libPlaYUVerLib.so*
[22:03] <nacc> jfmcarreira: wasn't that the error you got before?
[22:04] <jfmcarreira> yeah because before i had usr/lib/*/libPlaYUVerLib.so*
[22:04] <jfmcarreira> and I removed the extra "/*"
[22:05] <jfmcarreira> cant run sbuild
[22:05] <jfmcarreira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26467048/
[22:06] <nacc> jfmcarreira: how are you invoking it?
[22:06] <jfmcarreira> sbuild only
[22:07] <nacc> jfmcarreira: so you are in the source package directory?
[22:08] <jfmcarreira> yeah and i ran uscan and it downloaded the source tar to the directory above
[22:09] <nacc> jfmcarreira: sorry, i'm confused; have you used sbuild before?
[22:09] <jfmcarreira> i ran uscan and then sbuild
[22:09] <nacc> jfmcarreira: you need to give  it a source package directory. not the debian/ and not just the upstream
[22:09] <jfmcarreira> first time using it
[22:09] <nacc> jfmcarreira: yeah, that's not quite how you use it
[22:09] <nacc> jfmcarreira: do you konw what a debian source package is?
[22:10] <jfmcarreira> not really... it is a combination of source files and control files to describe the pkg and the build?
[22:10] <nacc> jfmcarreira: right, basically, it's an upstream orig tarball(s), untarred, and a debian tarball (untarred)
[22:11] <nacc> jfmcarreira: so you need to be in that untarred state to build it, or use the dsc
[22:12] <jfmcarreira> i have this playuver-0.18.2.tar.gz and playuver_0.18.2-2.debian.tar.xz which were downloaded automatically from github.. at least the first
[22:13] <jfmcarreira> this file is empty playuver_0.18.2-2.debian.tar.xz
[22:13] <nacc> jfmcarreira: well, it certinaly shouldn't be empty
[22:14] <jfmcarreira> how should  i fill it?
[22:14] <jfmcarreira> i can run debuild to create a source package
[22:14] <nacc> jfmcarreira: this might be more of a rathole than is nencessary
[22:14] <nacc> jfmcarreira: if you can build a source package, pass that source pacakge to sbuild
[22:14] <jfmcarreira> where should i be to build a src pkg?
[22:15] <jfmcarreira> source folder? debian folder?
[22:16] <nacc> jfmcarreira: you shulld be in the untarred source packages root directory
[22:17] <jfmcarreira> with the debian folder?
[22:19] <jfmcarreira> do i need to be in the src folder and have .orig above it?
[22:19] <nacc> jfmcarreira: it's better to be specific here
[22:19] <nacc> src might mean a directory called 'src' or you might mean 'source'
[22:20] <jfmcarreira> i mean having the source code folder with a debian folder inside
[22:20] <nacc> you should be in a directory containing the uncompressed orig tarball, a debian/ and the .orig tarball should be in the parent directory, in my experience
[22:20] <jfmcarreira> now i tried inside the debian folder with the source in ../XXX.orig
[22:21] <jfmcarreira> now it created the .changes, .build, .dsc
[22:21] <jfmcarreira> what do i do with it?
[22:22] <nacc> you should pass the .dsc to sbuild
[22:31] <jfmcarreira> nacc: i do need to create a chroot right?
[22:34] <nacc> jfmcarreira: yeah with mk-sbuild
[22:34] <jfmcarreira> sbuild-createchroot --include=eatmydata,ccache,gnupg unstable /local/jcarreira.it/unstable-amd64-sbuild http://deb.debian.org/debian
[22:35] <nacc> jfmcarreira: well, if you want to build a debian unstable one...
[22:35] <nacc> jfmcarreira: but i thought you were building xenial?
[22:35] <jfmcarreira>  i do
[22:35] <jfmcarreira> xenial and bionic and other debian distro
[22:36] <nacc> jfmcarreira: those are ubuntu
[22:36] <nacc> jfmcarreira: not debian
[22:38] <jfmcarreira> nacc: short term goal are ubuntu xenial and bionic cause are the ones i use in my research lab. but I wanted to deploy it to as much distros ass possible
[22:38] <jfmcarreira> the xenial problem were raised becasue of the launchpad build recipes
[22:39] <nacc> jfmcarreira: i don't have any context into what you are doing, but if this is an applilcation, why ont build a snap?
[22:40] <jfmcarreira> nacc: why snap? why not debian packages? to be honest I am not big fan of snap
[22:41] <nacc> jfmcarreira: because it avoids these issues? :)
[22:41] <nacc> jfmcarreira: and debian packages only work on debia-based distros; snaps are cross-distro
[22:41] <jfmcarreira> nacc: the issue here seems quiet stupid. it is a problem with a dependency which exists on xenial
[22:41] <nacc> jfmcarreira: it's something else, most likely
[22:42] <nacc> jfmcarreira: for whatever reason, due to other dependencies, most likely, you are not able to install debhelper whenn buildig your srcpkg
[22:42] <nacc> jfmcarreira: but hey, in a snap you don't need debhelper at all
[22:42] <jfmcarreira> nacc: based on that it makes sense to deploy a snap package. but i would like to be able to deploy debian pkgs for xenial and bionic (next LTS) as I need to have daily builds for it
[22:42] <nacc> jfmcarreira: like i said, if this is an application, snaps feel like a natural fit, esp. if you aren't already committed to doing debs (i mean, you don't have a xeniall build yet)
[22:43] <nacc> jfmcarreira: you cann do daily builds with sanps
[22:43] <nacc> *snaps
[22:43] <nacc> that's waht 'edge' is for
[22:43] <jfmcarreira> nacc: i have xenial build for a long time. but in the past days i tried to split the pkgs into multiple apps and thats what raised problems
[22:44] <nacc> jfmcarreira: oh i didn't know that
[22:44] <nacc> jfmcarreira: sorry, i need to refocus on some other stuff before i eod
[22:45] <nacc> jfmcarreira: but i'd seriously look at snaps. you'd then only have one versionn (well, 4 if you do all for tracks) to worry about everywhere
[22:45] <cjwatson> 9
[22:45] <cjwatson> oops, sorry
[22:46] <jfmcarreira> nacc: ok thanks


[15:55] <cmaloney> morning
[15:55] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[16:11] <_stink_> normal?
[16:11] <_stink_> how abotu you
[16:18] <cmaloney> It's going OK.


[19:21] <jtaylor> Laney: is your answer to bug 1167229 equivalent to a ffe?
[19:21] <jtaylor> a you are part of -release so I'll take that as an ack


[05:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: you around by chance?
[16:20] <pleia2> bkerensa: wasn't last night, but am around today
[17:01] <pleia2> philipballew: thanks re: meeting stuff :)
[19:39] <philipballew> pleia2, Not a problem!
[22:08] <bumblebee_man> ping kdub
[23:14] <raevol> :/ why are there no open source order management systems...


[13:23] <gsamfira> thanks Makyo and rick_h_
[13:25] <gsamfira> Makyo: might be useful to have one field into which the user may specify constraints manually. Maybe hide it behind an "advanced" tab or something. That way you cater to more "exotic" providers
[13:26] <gsamfira> something like: custom-constraint: tags=virtual


 Got a meeting right now then EOD. So catch you later :)
[09:28] <seb128> duflu, good luck!
[09:39] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[09:42] <seb128> hey ricotz! how are you?
[09:42] <ricotz> seb128, hey, I am good, how are things for you?
[09:43] <seb128> I'm alright, a bit tired but nothing unusual
[10:01] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[10:02] <duflu> Meeting finished exactly on time.... seb128 and Trevinho can you guys please have a look at building the fix in bug 1918874?
[10:03]  * duflu runs away before anything new goes wrong
[10:29] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ you still didn't do the revert?
[10:29] <seb128> shrug, is that command working for others?
[10:29] <seb128> $ rsync --list-only 'rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/*/daily-live/'
[10:29] <seb128> it does work if I try from people.c.c but it hangs and timeout after 10min+ from my machine :-/
[10:44] <Laney> works for me, it takes like 15 seconds
[10:44] <Laney> but I'm on the company VPN
[10:45] <Nafallo> rsync --list-only 'rsync://rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/*/daily-live/'
[10:45] <Nafallo> notice the different hostname :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> morning desktopers
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the hint! for some reason it works when I'm not connected to the VPN...
[10:45] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[10:46] <seb128> also ctrl-C on an hanging rsync isn't working great :-/
[10:46] <Laney> moin Nafallo
[10:46] <Laney> Nafallo's command works too, didn't know there was an alternate hostname available there, what's that about
[10:47] <seb128> I've the same hanging issue when connected to the VPN
[10:50] <seb128> I don't understand what's going on and I've no clue debugging that
[10:50] <seb128> $ rsync --list-only 'rsync://rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/'
[10:50] <seb128> works
[10:50] <seb128> $ rsync --list-only 'rsync://rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/*/daily-live/'
[10:50] <seb128> hangs until timeout
[10:51] <Nafallo> Laney: hmm. can't remember the details, let me see if there wasn't something on the mirrors list about it...
[10:51] <Laney> is it better with `-4`?
[10:51] <Laney> anyway VPN breakage is probably an IS thing, they usually ask to get an `mtr --tcp` from what I've seen ...
[10:52] <seb128> yes, -4 makes it not hang
[10:52] <Laney> ipv6 and the vpn is a bit weird
[10:52] <seb128> ipv6 fun?
[10:52] <seb128> thanks for the tip, at least I can locally work on that now
[10:53] <Laney> 😎
[10:53] <seb128> I've no clue about IPv6, out of the fact that it's the futur one day and for now is mostly creating me weird issue like that every now and then :p
[10:56] <Nafallo> Laney: I can't spot a difference between the two hostnames these days :-P
[10:59] <Laney> they resolve to the same thing
[10:59] <Laney> so I guess it's what you like to type
[10:59] <Nafallo> maybe something changed between now and October 2009, when the mirrors stopped responding to rsync on the URL without the word :-)
[11:00] <Nafallo> I just learnt to use rsync.<mirror> back then ;-)
[11:01] <Nafallo> oh. archive looks different with rsync added :-D
[11:43] <Laney> man
[11:43] <Laney> we need to clean up the branches on ubiquity
[11:43] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/ubiquity yikes
[11:44]  * Laney is responsible for quite a few of those
[11:54]  * Laney deleted a bunch
[12:57] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, no will handle it later, I had busy days.
[14:18] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:18] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:18] <hellsworth> o/ marcustomlinson
[14:47] <Laney> moin hellsworth
[14:47] <hellsworth> moin Laney :)
[15:01] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[15:01] <hellsworth> oh hi there jibel
[15:09] <oSoMoN> seb128, for info, the chromium-browser autopkgtest failures on bionic turned out to be bug #1919146
[15:40] <seb128> oSoMoN, ah, nice that you figured it out!
[15:40] <seb128> trivial fix as well which is nice :)
[15:41] <seb128> it was an useful report right?
[16:18] <oSoMoN> yes it was
[16:32] <seb128> Laney, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ybwRNVVFjD/ got something work now, after spending more time that I should have fighting with rsync parameters
[16:32] <seb128> I ended up doing another query to handle the different paths but it's working
[16:33] <seb128> seems like we stopped building bionic daily for a while, unsure if that's intended?
[16:34] <Laney> nice
[16:34] <Laney> no idea about bionic, sil2100 would be who to ask there
[16:34] <seb128> and if so should those dir be cleaned on the server? or filtered out?
[16:34] <seb128> k, I will check with him
[16:35] <seb128> sil2100, ^ or if you see that ping, context is wondering why cdimage bionic daily image stopped being updated for a while?
[17:20] <Laney> Dismiss All on those eds popups now takes a few seconds for me
[17:20] <Laney> slightly annoying
[17:25] <sil2100> seb128: hey! We usually stop building daily images after the last point-release for a given series
[17:25] <sil2100> seb128: so now for bionic we only build the base tarball (for the core18 snap)
[17:53] <Trevinho> ricotz: could we ship a desktop file to aggregate all the LO tools in the shell in a folder (as per https://i.imgur.com/ZCLJYu5.png)?
[17:56] <ricotz> Trevinho, this looks related to this bug which could be revisited -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1696250
[18:00] <Trevinho> ricotz that wont hide them though
[18:00] <Trevinho> ricotz they will still show on searches
[18:01] <ricotz> Trevinho, I meant to refer to the last comment, asking to get this reverted, and using the start center more commonly
[18:02] <ricotz> I understand that this doesnt provide any grouping
[18:03] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, are you ok if we set in ubuntu-settings `org.gnome.gedit.preferences.editor scheme 'Yaru-light'` by default (now that we've it?)
[18:08] <Trevinho> even though... that wouldn't cahnge depending on the gtk variant I assume
[18:08] <Trevinho> not that now it does it
[18:09] <Trevinho> ah no it does it
[18:14] <Trevinho> ok not doing for now then, but opened https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/2732
[19:09] <seb128> Trevinho, ack
[19:10] <seb128> sil2100, ah, thanks, makes sense. Should we remove those daily directories from cdimage then rather than let them around with outdated content?
[19:41] <ricotz> seb128, thank you for handling libgee 0.20.4
[19:42] <ricotz> seb128, there is vala 0.48.15-1 ready too
[19:46] <sil2100> seb128: +1!
[19:46] <sil2100> I'll add it to my todo list


[08:12] <zkriesse> hello glatzor and synergetic
[08:42] <synergetic> good morning, zkriesse
[08:42] <synergetic> pretty quiet today
[08:43] <zkriesse> yes it usually is at this hour
[08:43] <zkriesse> most are either asleep or just waking
[08:43] <zkriesse> not to mention trying to find the coffee
[08:47] <zkriesse> synergetic: so what brings ya here
[08:49] <synergetic> zkriesse: uhm... i had every intention of helping out writing/editing documentation, made it to the first meeting then got completely distracted by needing to find a job. so now i mostly just lurk around here.
[08:49] <zkriesse> ah cool
[08:49] <zkriesse> wiki page?
[08:49] <synergetic> i got as far as making an account - never actually got around to writing/editing anything, sadly
[08:50] <synergetic> wanted to work on the manual, actually
[08:50] <zkriesse> #ubuntu-manual is the channel for that team
[08:50] <synergetic> bit more self-contained
[08:50]  * zkriesse is part of that
[08:50] <synergetic> yeah. i was in both of the channels at one point *checks* seems i've managed to remove my auto-join on this computer
[08:52] <synergetic> there we go.
[08:52] <synergetic> how about you zkriesse? what do you do around here?
[08:54] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zkriesse
[08:54] <zkriesse> that'll give you some insight into what i do
[08:57] <synergetic> zkriesse: quite a bit, then. mostly i just evangelise around campus. just graduated, so no more students to evangelise to
[08:58] <zkriesse> college?
[08:58] <synergetic> ah, university in edinburgh
[08:58] <zkriesse> edinbugh...where is that?
[08:58] <zkriesse> sounds german
[08:59] <synergetic> it's the capital of scotland
[08:59] <synergetic> but i'm originally from the US
[08:59] <zkriesse> oh you're Scottish?
[08:59] <synergetic> but yeah, did a lot of work with the Edinburgh LUG and the Edinburgh Uni Computing Society
[08:59] <zkriesse> nice
[08:59] <zkriesse> sounds fun
[09:01] <synergetic> definitely. but ran a couple install days, got my computer-illiterate family using it, figured i was well-versed enough in getting people started that working on the manual would be a piece of cake - i've got a pretty good idea of where people struggle in getting started. but yeah, haven't had a chance to get involved yet
[09:01] <zkriesse> know how to use launchpad?
[09:02] <synergetic> yep
[09:02] <zkriesse> very cool
[09:02] <synergetic> i think so. it's been ages since i've used it
[09:04] <synergetic> i had one bug i'd filed... i think it got closed because they weren't able to replicate it. that's it for launchpad
[13:28] <abhi_nav> hello
[13:28] <abhi_nav> how to prevent wiki abuse?
[13:29] <ikonia> what is your wiki page URL
[13:29] <abhi_nav> ikonia, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/abhijit
[13:30] <abhi_nav> ikonia, he now corrected it. but in future how to prevent it? he was experimenting with my wiki I dont want anyone to change it :(
[13:30] <ikonia> I don't think there is any sort of protection, but you should be notified on change
[13:30] <abhi_nav> ikonia, he chagned my name and colour of wiki
[13:31] <ikonia> doesn't matter what he changed, my point still stands
[13:31] <abhi_nav> ikonia, is there any action we can take against if someone abuse my wiki?
[13:32] <ikonia> if you report it to the wiki paintainers they can take action against the user
[13:32] <ikonia> "maintainers" that should read
[13:33] <abhi_nav> ikonia, where to find wiki maintainers?
[13:34] <ikonia> you're in the channel
[13:34] <ikonia> abhi_nav: check the url's in the topic also
[13:34] <abhi_nav> ikonia, ok thank you for yout time


[02:12] <tritium> Well, that was interesting
[02:14] <LjL> welcome to zero tolerance mode.
[02:15] <LjL> i tell them to stop, i tell them where the right place to discuss it is.
[02:15] <LjL> they don't listen. they get banned.
[02:16] <nickrud> nazi ;P
[02:16] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops zateam_ zateam and dragoniz3r probably trolling in tandem, and not listening to several warnings
[02:17] <tritium> You did the right thing.
[02:26]  * genii makes a large pot of coffee
[03:20] <Pici> My computer is out of commission until I get some new parts so I may not be active for the next few days,.
[03:36] <Pici> I was looking for the part number on the fan/heatsink, but in retrospect, I should have waited replacement part in hand before removing the entire assembaly.
[04:31] <Pici> er. no.
[07:15] <ikonia> LjL: I've hopefully tidied up my own #ubuntu bans and forwards, and marked up the ones I believe should be kept so it's easier to see (best I could)
[08:45] <elkbuntu> ok, how come a *jesus*@ just got in?
[08:45] <elkbuntu> if we're going to exclude that nick/ident, we need to do it universally
[08:45] <elkbuntu> it's i -ot... is it only #u?
[09:36] <ikonia> elkbuntu: I think it was decided to leave it as it's quite a common spanish name, just like mohammed is a popular muslim name
[10:40] <Myrtti> WHY does my mom have to call me at the most unconvenient time
[10:46] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i managed to stop mine ringing in the middle of dinner tonight by some miracle. 'I'll call you in a bit' usually means 'i'll call you in about 30 seconds, which is how long it will take for me to reach the phone'
[10:46] <elkbuntu> ut tonight, i managed to interject with my current status, and she delayed by 45 mins.
[10:47] <elkbuntu> (this was on IM, she IM's me to say when she's ringing, you see)
[11:08] <Tm_T> hugs?
[11:08] <Tm_T> jrib: no, it wasn't an invitation
[11:09] <jrib> :o
[11:26] <ziroday> you might want to watch fogobogo and eihm in #ubuntu
[11:26] <bazhang> they seem to be teaming up
[11:26] <ziroday> bazhang: thats what I though
[11:26] <ziroday> a bad comedy act
[11:27] <bazhang> they will be gone soon most likely
[11:27] <ziroday> thanks bazhang
[11:30] <bazhang> prymal
[11:31] <ikonia> ah typo
[11:31] <bazhang> he and eimh are from arch-ot
[11:31] <bazhang> team-trolling
[11:31] <ikonia> really, not this lot again
[11:31] <ikonia> this is getting to be a real problem
[11:31] <bazhang> yep
[11:49] <jrib> they actually discussed it in #archlinux
[11:50] <jrib> did anyone ever speak to the arch ops?  This would stop if they would ban people who discussed it on their channels
[11:55] <ikonia> jrib: this is old news
[11:55] <ikonia> happens on a regular basis
[11:56] <ikonia> I believe pricechild has tried to speak to their ops
[11:56] <ikonia> but I'm not %100 on that
[11:56] <bazhang> do they have an -ops channel?
[11:56] <ikonia> nah
[11:59] <bazhang> am in archlinux chan now.
[11:59] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, nalioth, wanna flex some muscle in the general #archlinux direction about trollpit channels?
[12:00] <bazhang> just have to wait and see til someone is kicked I guess
[12:00] <jrib> bazhang: they're listed on the channel's wiki page
[12:00] <bazhang> jrib, you got a name handy?
[12:01] <jrib> bazhang: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channel#List_of_channel_operators
[12:01] <bazhang> thanks jrib
[12:01] <elkbuntu> '/msg chanserv access #archlinux list' should work too
[12:28] <jussio1> hello everyone
[12:29] <ikonia> 4hello
[12:30]  * stdin raises 1 hello with "5hello"
[12:30] <jussio1> lol
[12:31] <Myrtti> "1UP"
[12:31] <Myrtti> I win.
[12:37]  * jussio1 pokes and prods mneptok for fun....
[12:38] <ikonia> a worthy prod
[12:38] <jussio1> :D
[12:41]  * Myrtti pokes mneptok with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[12:41] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[12:43]  * jrib pokes mneptok with Myrtti while she holds The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[12:43] <jrib> why can't my computer read my mind yet?  We are almost in 2009 already...
[12:49] <stdin> <tech-support mode>are all the cables connected and the power on?</tech-support mode>
[12:50] <Myrtti> jrib: why can't there be teleportation already? we are almost in 2009 already
[12:51] <jrib> Myrtti: you don't have teleportation where you are from yet?
[12:51] <jrib> get with the times
[12:53] <jussio1> jrib: <IT-Crowd mode> Have you tried turning it off and on again? </IT-Crowd mode>
[12:53] <jussio1> :P
[13:17] <bazhang> seriously doubt the archlinux operators are going to take any steps; #archlinux is like u-ot on a bad day
[13:32]  * jrib prepares his auto banforward anyone that mentions troll and #ubuntu in #archlinux* script
[13:33] <LjL-Temp> jrib: what, again?
[13:33] <jrib> LjL-Temp: yep
[13:33] <jrib> LjL-Temp: a little more than 2 hours ago
[13:33] <LjL-Temp> jrib: then start by joining that other channel, i'll restart that other script (and put it in crontab this time)
[13:46] <AbortD> its not good being invited here is it?
[13:46] <LjL> [14:45:05] <AbortD> yeah she wants a pickle [14:45:12] <AbortD> PICKLE [14:45:23] <LjL> AbortD: ...? [14:45:28] <AbortD> sorry [14:45:44] <AbortD> my irc does that when i come back from away
[13:46] <AbortD> it does
[13:46] <LjL> excuse me but... i'm supposed to believe that...?
[13:46] <AbortD> ....
[13:47] <AbortD> its a on return command in mIRC windows
[13:47] <LjL> AbortD: it's not like i've never used mIRC
[13:47] <LjL> if you don't have any silly scripts, no it's not
[13:47] <LjL> if you do have silly scripts, please disable them to chat in #ubuntu
[13:47] <AbortD> i did
[13:47] <AbortD> sorry about that
[13:48] <LjL> ok then. please, don't let this happen again.
[13:48] <AbortD> no problemo
[13:49] <LjL> AbortD: that's all i wanted to talk about, feel free to go back to your business
[13:49] <AbortD> alright i figured i'd idle in here
[13:49] <AbortD> haha
[13:49] <AbortD> sorry
[13:50] <LjL> what's funny?
[13:50] <AbortD> hows about i leave
[13:50] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops AbortD And I believe him, oh yes, a script that sends two messages in 7 seconds on return from away...
[13:50]  * Pici blinks
[13:50] <ikonia> "lol"
[13:50] <ikonia> etc
[13:50] <LjL> that's an old aquaintance by the way
[13:50] <ikonia> oh ?
[13:51] <LjL> ikonia: i've banned him more times than you've had a breakfast i believe
[13:51] <ikonia> sounds interesting
[13:51] <LjL> although most of them are probably in the old bantracker
[13:51] <LjL> he re-appeared just a couple of weeks ago
[13:51] <LjL> was one of the serial trolls in 2006 or so
[13:52] <ikonia> nice to have him back
[13:52] <ikonia> welcome
[13:52] <ikonia> "lol"
[13:52] <ikonia> etc
[13:52] <LjL> heh
[14:29] <bazhang> * [eimh] (n=flatline@unaffiliated/ankthepot): Remzi  and * [fogobogo] (n=fogobogo@port-92-193-42-173.dynamic.qsc.de): fogobogo were the pair from #archlinux team-trolling earlier; no response from any operators in arch yet
[14:30] <LjL> bazhang: i'm afraid i have to say that, from what i've see of #archlinux, the operators are *extremely* tolerant
[14:31] <bazhang> LjL, that is putting it mildly to say the least
[14:32] <bazhang> monitor and samuel seem to be the same person
[14:33] <bazhang> oops
[14:33] <LjL> bazhang: correct, you win no prize
[14:33] <bazhang> haha
[14:34] <genii> Good morning, afternoon, or evening :)
[14:35]  * bazhang gives genii some coffee
[14:35] <genii> bazhang: You're my hero!
[14:35] <bazhang> :)
[14:36]  * genii sips contentedly
[14:42]  * jussio1 cries... am I no longer the hero??
[14:43] <genii> jussio1: You're in my heart, don't worry :) Good to see you found an internet connection finally
[14:44] <genii> I have to admit I'm a sucker for whoever is the coffee-bringer....
[14:45] <jussio1> lol
[14:45] <jussio1> IM off to bed soon tho... it is like 2am...
[14:50] <ikonia> jussio1: get with the normal hours please
[15:03] <Pici> @btlogin
[15:03] <Pici> @login
[15:03] <Pici> @btlogin
[16:19] <ikonia> @mark GnuBoi fedora user (silly person) known as Ujjwol_ too, fedora guys have banned him because he's a pain so now comes in here and trolls a bit. Admited knowing he was doing wrong in pm but doesn't see how it is "wrong"
[16:20] <ikonia> come on ubottu
[16:20] <ikonia> @mark GnuBoi #ubuntu fedora user (silly person) known as Ujjwol_ too, fedora guys have banned him because he's a pain so now comes in here and trolls a bit. Admited knowing he was doing wrong in pm but doesn't see how it is "wrong"
[16:20] <ikonia> @mark GnuBoi #ubuntu
[16:20] <Myrtti> ubottu: hi
[16:20] <Myrtti> @login
[16:20] <ikonia> @login#
[16:21] <ikonia> @login
[16:21] <ikonia> @mark GnuBoi #ubuntu
[16:21] <ikonia> @mark GnuBoi #ubuntu fedora user (silly person) known as Ujjwol_ too, fedora guys have banned him because he's a pain so now comes in here and trolls a bit. Admited knowing he was doing wrong in pm but doesn't see how it is "wrong"
[16:21]  * Tm_T slaps ikonia
[16:21] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice
[16:22] <Myrtti> I've got /alias login /^msg -freenode ubottu @login;/^msg -freenode ubottu @btlogin
[16:30] <bazhang> is tbotnik a bot?
[16:30] <Pici> No?
[16:31] <bazhang> trying to get away, but he keeps on triple highlighting
[16:33] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu juntu another nick for gnuboi
[16:36] <Myrtti> AWWWWWW http://naurunappula.com/58061/hellokittyak47.jpg
[16:36] <Pici> awww
[16:37] <Pici> ikonia: I dont see that nick in #ubuntu
[16:37] <Tm_T> mmmm, how long we have been using this squashfs-type livecd installing ?
[16:37] <ikonia> Pici not in now
[16:38] <ikonia> Pici: marked in BT for future
[16:38] <Pici> ikonia: Why not just ban if they're not going to follow the rules?
[16:38] <ikonia> so that when he pleads "I didn't know" it shows up he is known
[16:38] <ikonia> Pici: seeing what happens
[16:39] <ikonia> actually your right
[16:40] <ikonia> Pici: thanks for the nudge, right thing to do
[18:19] <LjL> zloy: what can we do for you?
[18:19] <zloy> i find Gary
[18:20] <LjL> zloy: gary is marked as away
[18:20] <zloy> i know
[18:20] <zloy> i wait for him
[18:20] <zloy> *wait him )))
[18:20] <LjL> zloy: please, wait for him not in this channel. you can join when he's back
[18:20] <zloy> how can i know when hi will be back?
[18:21] <LjL> he's back when he's back, i guess
[18:21] <LjL> look at /whois
[18:22] <zloy> why i can't stay here?
[18:22] <Pici> zloy: Are you looking for Gary regarding something in the Ubuntu irc channels?
[18:22] <LjL> zloy: /topic
[18:22] <zloy> Pici: yeah
[18:24] <zloy> why i was banned on #ubuntu-ru?
[18:24] <LjL> that's not on topic for this channel, you need to ask the #ubuntu-ru operators.
[18:25] <zloy> i ask them
[18:25] <zloy> they doesn't know
[18:25] <LjL> if they banned you, they must know.
[18:26] <Pici> Oh, that works too.
[18:26] <LjL> yes
[18:26] <Pici> Thanks whoever.
[18:26] <Tm_T> weird
[18:26] <jdong> whomever.
[18:26] <jdong> *ducks*
[18:27] <jdong> (actually, whoever is correct, but whatever :D)
[18:27] <LjL> whatomever
[18:27] <Pici> jdong: I actually was thinking which was correct, but neither sounded right.
[18:27] <Tm_T> wh atom ever ?
[18:28] <jdong> Pici: it's thanks (to) whoever (klined him), whoever is the correct form to match verb kline.
[18:28] <Myrtti> have a lollipop you lot
[18:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: my lot in life...
[18:30] <Myrtti> I'd rather kiss a wookie.
[18:31] <Tm_T> wookiee
[18:31] <Pici> Who ya calling scruffy looking?
[18:31] <Tm_T> me?
[18:31]  * Tm_T hides
[18:31]  * Myrtti wants her wookiee :'(
[18:32] <Tm_T> hrr
[18:32] <Tm_T> baby is bit touchy with feeding, me not likey
[18:32] <Tm_T> I'm beginning to cry more than she is
[18:37] <LjL> anyone know what this problem with Firefox losing window decoration (on 8.10 and with Compiz, i guess) is? i've seen that asked many times now
[18:42] <ikonia> from what I've read of a few forum posts it looks like a driver issue
[18:42] <ikonia> mostly with specific nvidia cards
[18:42] <ikonia> (i assume your using nvidiai if it's the same bug)
[18:43] <LjL> i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/99740 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/220443
[18:43] <LjL> but they're not marked as duplicates
[18:59] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:38]  * mneptok drapes himself over Myrtti
[19:38] <mneptok> heya, snugglekins.
[19:38] <mneptok> why so glum, chum?
[19:38] <Myrtti> I misses my wookiee.
[19:41] <mneptok> may i suggest a new strategy, sir?
[19:41] <mneptok> Myrtti: i'll invite you to my birthday party this year. i'll be 44, and i'm planning a Barbie princess theme.
[19:42] <Myrtti> 44?  LIES
[20:11] <Myrtti> lolz, AbortD alledgedly put me on ignore
[20:15] <LjL> Myrtti: wait until he's put on channel-wide ignore
[20:37]  * elkbuntu goes out to buy two '4 yrs girl' birthday cards to send to mneptok.
[20:37] <elkbuntu> if you put them side by side, they'll spell out 44 :)
[20:38] <Myrtti> pink.
[20:38] <Pici> Of course
[20:38] <elkbuntu> definately
[20:40] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: two pink 4 years old girls makes one mneptok ?
[20:41] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, if cooked correctly.
[20:41] <Tm_T> I see
[21:10] <mneptok> don't forget the whiskey and lye.
[21:48] <Myrtti> Federico uses emacs! neener neener neeeeeener
[22:31] <mneptok> Federico's also completely batshit insane.
[22:32] <mneptok> which makes me love him all the more.
[22:33] <jussi01> mneptok: kinda similar to you?
[22:38]  * Myrtti pokes her skype
[22:51] <genii-around> @login
[22:51] <genii-around> Bah
[23:10]  * genii sips
[23:10]  * Myrtti almost collapses at her desk
[23:11]  * genii hands Myrtti an extra-strong coffee!
[23:11] <Myrtti> noooooo
[23:11] <Myrtti> I just want to stay awake until I get a good night virtual snuggle from a wookiee
[23:11] <Myrtti> not a moment longer
[23:12]  * genii binks
[23:12] <genii> And even blinks
[23:18] <Myrtti> whut
[23:19] <Myrtti> @now Bogota
[23:19] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[23:19] <Myrtti> let me tell you friends.
[23:19] <Myrtti> IT SUCKS
[23:19] <Myrtti> as you were


[01:33] <Arthenik> alright, the problem seems to have been with unetbootin. it's installing just fine right now. thanks for steering me in the right direction, madnick. :)
[03:37] <tiktalik> I'm getting freezes in video
[03:37] <tiktalik> Like when I play videogames, the screen will freeze for 5-10 seconds
[03:37] <tiktalik> Any clue what's wrong?
[04:20] <orngjce223> Nope.
[04:20] <orngjce223> ...Oh hi tiktalik fancy seeing you here
[04:31] <tiktalik> ...Oh hi orngjce223, didn't see you in the userlist. Somebody in ubuntu attempted to help me, though.
[04:31] <orngjce223> Oh, cool.
[04:32] <orngjce223> Also Geekthras idles in #opensourcemusicians so meh
[04:33] <Unit193> tiktalik: Wondering, what video card do you have? (Old?)
[04:33] <tiktalik> Unit193, I'm waiting for a possible fix to finish downloading.
[12:35] <moxyr> knome: sorry about the awaynick. Didn't know it was prefered to avoid
[12:35] <moxyr> aatk: remember the 10 sec. delay between grub and init
[12:36] <moxyr> if I add a echo statement at the end of the grub command list
[12:36] <moxyr> then the delay is almost completely gone
[12:36] <moxyr> how can a echo statement have such an influence?
[12:37]  * moxyr doesn't like that behavior...
[13:15] <thauriswulfa> hi guys, what knowledge should I possess to participate in xubuntu development, languages I current know includes, c/cpp,java
[13:18] <aatk> hey moxyr, that's weird, has anything else changed?
[13:19] <aatk> thauriswulfa: have you read through www.xubuntu.org/devel ? or asked in #xubuntu-devel ?
[13:20] <thauriswulfa> asked in #xubuntu-devel still wating for answer
[13:26] <moxyr> aatk: nope nothing else changed. With the echo ofcourse I get an echo message on screen, but nothing else changed
[13:26] <aatk> that's odd
[13:28] <moxyr> I'm also noticing when I have added the echo and when I don't have the delay
[13:29] <moxyr> shutting down and reboot works as normal
[13:30] <moxyr> with the delay I get thown back at login screen
[13:31] <moxyr> but this is a known bug with xfce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/711571
[13:34] <moxyr> But how the delay is related to the given bug is a complete mystery to me
[14:28] <ryan_> hey anyone around
[14:29] <ryan_> i could use some help with monitor stuff
[14:33] <TheSheep> ryan_: you need to describe your problem
[14:33] <TheSheep> ryan_: if anyone knows the solution, they will answer
[14:33] <ryan_> yeah
[14:33] <ryan_> i got two monitors
[14:33] <ryan_> and want one desktop
[14:34] <ryan_> but it just shows the same desktop on two monitors
[14:34] <ryan_> not sure how to fix it
[14:34] <TheSheep> does your graphic card support xrandr?
[14:34] <ryan_> no clue, where would i look that up?
[14:35] <TheSheep> open a terminal and type 'xrandr'
[14:35] <TheSheep> if it displays a bunch of information about your modes and such, then it is supported
[14:35] <ryan_> ye it does
[14:35] <ryan_> do i need to go into xorg.conf?
[14:36] <ryan_> ive been googling it but the solutions dont seem consistent to what i see in xorg.conf
[14:36] <ryan_> so i dont want to break something
[14:36] <TheSheep> you can do it all with xrandr
[14:36] <TheSheep> !xrandr
[14:37] <TheSheep> ryan_: start with point II
[14:37] <ryan_> ok
[14:41] <HackNewton> hi all
[14:42] <ochosi> !hi
[14:44] <ryan_> im sorry sheep guy maybe im stupid or something but i cant find where it tells you how to unify your desktop accross monitors
[14:46] <TheSheep> ryan_: you make a virtual screen and then make different displays show different parts of the screen
[14:47] <TheSheep> ryan_: point II.5.
[14:55] <ryan_> yeah
[14:55] <ryan_> whats the chmod number if you want to make a file read and writeable
[14:55] <ryan_> its like 777 or something idk thats what it was on solaris
[14:55] <ryan_> its so i can modify xorg.conf the way they said
[14:55] <ryan_> thanks btw
[15:04] <ryan_> hello?
[15:05] <moxyr> 644 is rw-r--r--
[15:06] <ryan_> so chmod rw-r--r-- ?
[15:06] <moxyr> chmod 644 file-name
[15:07] <ryan_> ah
[15:07] <moxyr> this will make the file read and writeable by owner, readable by group and readable by anyone
[15:07] <aatk> if you want read and write for everyone it's just 'chmod a+rw filename'
[15:08] <aatk> which i guess is 666 if you really want the numbers
[15:09] <moxyr> doesn't chmod a+rw reserve the execution setting, while 666 removes execution?
[15:11] <aatk> Hmm, probably
[15:18] <ryan_> its ok i got that part to work
[15:18] <ryan_> but i still cant get it to listen to me after modifying xorg.conf like the manual the sheep gave me said to
[15:18] <ryan_> not sure what i am doing wrong, i just wanted a continous desktop on two screens so i can look at two things at once on seperate sides
[15:19] <aatk> have you restarted X?
[15:19] <ryan_> how do i do such a thing
[15:19] <ryan_> sorry im new to a lot of this
[15:19] <ryan_> :P
[15:20] <ryan_> or do i just reboot
[15:20] <aatk> might as well reboot
[15:20] <ryan_> kk
[15:20] <ryan_> brb
[15:21] <aatk> I hope he hasn't killed X when he turns it back on :/ I thought there was some nice easy way of setting up dual monitors these days?
[15:22] <moxyr> I always do it with nvidia-settings. Just point and click to choose your setup...
[15:23] <aatk> Moment of truth...
[15:23] <ryan_> keeps giving me the same thing
[15:23] <ryan_> not sure what i didnt do
[15:24] <ryan_> i went into xorg.conf as root modified it the way the thing said and then tried to run the command and it keeps telling me xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900)
[15:24] <aatk> Is there not just a box you can tick the display settings thing?
[15:25] <ryan_> what
[15:25] <ryan_> if there is i dont know where it is this is what i was told to do to make it so both my monitors function as one desktop not one desktop on 2 monitors
[15:26] <aatk> I'm not at my computer so I can't check right now
[15:27] <aatk> I think it's like Menu>Settings>Display Settings
[15:27] <aatk> Or Menu>System>Display
[15:38] <ryan_> well that didnt work either :(
[15:38] <ryan_> goddamn it
[15:42] <xubuntu_noob> Hi @ all
[15:42] <moxyr> !hi
[15:42] <ryan_> anyone modified xorg.conf before
[15:42] <xubuntu_noob> great :)
[15:43] <ryan_> has anyone
[15:43] <ryan_> ?
[15:43] <aatk> ryan_: yes, but I'm not at my computer
[15:43] <xubuntu_noob> I'm just installing and saying hi.... but I might migrate 15 pc's from a Win domain to linux so I may be back soon
[15:44] <moxyr> sorry ryan, dual screen / project stuff all happens with nvidia-settings here... have no idea how to pull that off in xorg.conf
[15:44] <ryan_> im running ati
[15:44] <ryan_> would gnome work better
[15:44] <ryan_> i used to run xubuntu on my laptop before it broke
[15:45] <moxyr> xubuntu_noob: I hope you'll enjoy the expierence
[15:45] <xubuntu_noob> Thanks moxyr :) I hope my users will before all...!
[15:45] <charlie-tca> xubuntu_noob: great!
[15:45] <xubuntu_noob> Yeah, it's an exciting project.
[15:46] <ryan_> it says in the guide i was given to write virtual and the screen size and i did that but obviously not in the right spot
[15:47] <aatk> ryan_: you might be able to use xfconf. menu>settings>settings editor then there's a "display" option in there
[15:48] <aatk> I'm sure that's how I've done it before
[15:49] <aatk> anyway, i'm heading home, if you've not fixed it by the time I'm back I'll dig out a monitor and try it on my laptop
[15:49] <ryan_> i did that
[15:49] <ryan_> theres no extensions
[15:49] <ryan_> just flipping it and stuff
[15:51] <ryan_> oh
[15:51] <ryan_> wait
[15:51] <ryan_> i mean im in that
[15:51] <ryan_> not sure what to change
[15:51] <ryan_> i saw something that said primary that might be it
[16:14] <ryan_> brb
[17:01] <aatk> any luck>
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
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[19:34] <jtickle> Hey folks, I just installed xubuntu 11.04, and I can't seem to get my dual monitors to do anything but mirror
[19:34] <jtickle> the Setting Manager > Display thing just doesn't have options for things like left-of or right-of
[19:34] <jtickle> the settings in Settings Editor > displays look exactly right
[19:34] <Sysi> use nvidia/ati-thingy or arandr
[19:35] <Sysi> depending what drivers you have
[19:35] <jtickle> well, if I do xrandr at the command line, all is well... I just prefer not to do that every time I log in
[19:35] <jtickle> oh, arandr, is that different?
[19:36] <Sysi> GUI for xrandr
[19:36] <jtickle> this looks like a winner
[19:36] <jtickle> thanks!
[19:37] <Sysi> you can put the xrandr-script to Settings → sessions and startup → autostart
[19:39] <jtickle> perfect, thanks Sysi
[21:43] <Mandrew> hello is ubuntu netbook version running on the same kernal as the rest of *buntu distros?
[21:45] <pleia2> xubuntu doesn't have a netbook version and the netbook version for ubuntu went away with 11.04
[21:45] <Sysi> *xubuntu never was the netbook version
[21:46] <Sysi> but about every buntu use the same kernel
[21:47] <Mandrew> so the netbook version that ubuntu released didnt have a modified kernel?
[21:48] <Sysi> no, what version you're talking about? number
[21:48] <Sysi> problem with sound or wifi?
[21:50] <Mandrew> no i dont have any problems with a OS just wondering about the kernel, cuz ive heard that it had a modified kernel
[21:51] <Sysi> there are ubuntu-based distroes with modified kernel images but all ubuntu officials have quite the same
[21:52] <Mandrew> ok so it was just a misunderstanding from my side then
[21:53] <Sysi> I think I heard that rumour too, but it was some versions ago
[21:54] <Mandrew> ok well thanks for the help


[00:00] <quent56> if I put the command "touch ~/OK", OK is never created.
[00:03] <nudelsnack> I don't know much about that but as far as i remember the backend is not necessarily shut down when the frontend ends
[00:05] <nudelsnack> so it seems to me like your problem is that the backend is not shut down rather than the command not being run during shutdown
[00:05] <quent56> yes I think
[00:05] <baggar11> quent56: yes, backend will keep runnin until you shutdown the computer. That command is for specific instructions for mythtv-backend to stop itself before system shutdown.
[00:06] <quent56> There are a field : "The amount of time the master backend idles before it shuts down all backends. Set to 0 to disable auto shut down", I put 35 (seconds) here.
[00:07] <quent56> And I see in mythwelcome that the backend is idle
[00:07] <quent56> for 1 minutes (or more)
[00:09] <quent56> I have a PC with front end and backend installed, and I would like to shutdown the PC when there are no frontend and no record active
[00:10] <baggar11> quent56: I haven't set anything like that up. I keep my backend on all the time. only turn on/off the frontends as needed.
[00:11] <quent56> ok we are not in the same case
[00:11] <quent56> I would like to shutdown my pc, for electrical issue
[00:11] <nudelsnack> I only would like to set up a complete system shutdown by remote
[00:12] <quent56> nudelsnack> do you use lirc ?
[00:12] <nudelsnack> no, I have a MCE remote
[00:12] <baggar11> quent56: you can modify the frontends option so it will prompt you to shutdown the computer, when trying to close the frontend
[00:12] <quent56> baggar11> ok :) how can I do this ?
[00:13] <baggar11> quent56: it's an option under general I believe. I'm not at a frontend to tell you.
[00:13] <quent56> baggar11> ok I loof for, thanks
[00:13] <nudelsnack> by the way, what is logged to the mythwelcome.log? Mine is empty...
[00:13] <quent56> *look
[00:15] <quent56> nudelsnack> start mythwelcome like this : mythwelcome -l /var/log/mythtv/mythwelcome.log
[00:18] <nudelsnack> good to know about the tool :)
[00:18] <baggar11> quent56: found a forum post that said the mythfrontend exit options were in general
[00:19] <quent56> baggar11: yes, an option is here
[00:19] <baggar11> quent56: cool
[00:20] <quent56> baggar11> it's work partially, it's reboot or halt as demand, but I don't control it I think, I would like use it with mythwelcom
[00:21] <quent56> I would like boot up my PC when a record is shedule, and halt him after, so the front end is not launch and it's match backend options
[00:21] <quent56> as describe here : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup
[00:21] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] ACPI Wakeup - MythTV
[00:25] <nudelsnack> quent56: did you set a wakeup event after the shutdown? there is a hint in the mythwelcome wiki page about at least 15mins
[00:25] <nudelsnack> otherwise the system won't shut down
[00:27] <quent56> I see it, and it's match to option "Max. wait for recording (min)          : 15", but I have no record shedule, and I have no wakeup event after shutdown
[01:21] <quent56> good night  and thank you for your help
[14:18] <patdk-wk> Hmm, I'm wondering if I did the mythbuntu ppa wrong or not
[14:18] <patdk-wk> I was attempting to track 0.24
[14:19] <patdk-wk> I have /repros/, /0.24/ and /testing/
[14:19] <patdk-wk> should I just have repos and 0.24?
[16:01] <tgm4883> patdk-wk, no, you are fine
[16:01] <tgm4883> that will give you 0.24 updates
[16:02] <patdk-wk> hmm, ok :)
[16:02] <patdk-wk> had testing in there, didn't know why
[16:02] <patdk-wk> so never-record in mythweb is broken, and doesn't look like mythwebs fault :(
[16:02] <tgm4883> cause you enabled mythbuntu updates
[16:03] <patdk-wk> it updates the database ok, it doesn't seem to do a reschedule though, but if I do one manually, it still is set to record :(
[16:03] <patdk-wk> I was just updating to make sure it wasn't already fixed
[16:03] <tgm4883> sounds like a mythtv bug
[16:03] <patdk-wk> ya, not reading the oldrecordings table right or something
[16:04] <mrand> I think I remember seeing a bug report, or at least a discussion on that, a few weeks back.
[16:04] <mrand> Or I could just be imaging it.
[16:04] <patdk-wk> my google search wasn't finding anything
[16:09] <mrand> Ok, I was actually thinking of Bug 9360 (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9360), but that's for re-record.  Never record was last "fixed" here: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8487 which should be included in 0.24
[16:10] <Zinn> Bug 9360 in linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) "Current acx100 module shows incorrect signal strength" [Medium, Invalid] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/9360
[16:10] <mrand> ignore zinn
[16:10] <Zinn> Hi mrand, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[16:10] <mrand> I know you're a bot, and no, you are not being helpful.
[16:14] <patdk-wk> hehe
[16:14] <patdk-wk> ya, I saw that bug, different issue
[16:14] <patdk-wk> it gets the program id's correct
[16:14] <mrand> patdk-wk: in that case, could you open a mythtv ticket on it?
[16:15] <patdk-wk> I'll try, probably later tonight, should do some work, while at work :)
[16:16] <patdk-wk> I had a marathon that was recording on the 1st, like 20 shows back to back, none of them would never-record :)
[16:16] <patdk-wk> clicking, dont-record worked though
[16:16] <mrand> that could get annoying ;-)
[16:16] <mrand> thanks.
[16:16] <patdk-wk> and I debugged the mythweb php code already, it's not the issue
[16:16] <patdk-wk> ya, I'll crossreference the database, make sure it is good, then file the bug
[16:17] <mrand> excellent.  They'll be happy to hear that it isn't php... those bugs tend to lay around a while I think.
[16:17] <patdk-wk> oh, if it was a php bug, I would submit a patch
[16:18] <patdk-wk> I would do it for the c code also, but well, I could probably spend a week or longer looking for the correct place to fix it, before figuring out what to fix :)
[16:18] <mrand> Unless it was a VERY trival patch, even then it is likely to sit around a while.
[16:18] <mrand> As least, based on past experience.
[16:18] <mrand> (referring to php patches)
[16:18] <patdk-wk> my trivial php patchs got submitted pretty quick
[16:19] <patdk-wk> mythweb video showing tv series out of order, not using the episode on the sort, and doing double sorts (mysql and php)
[16:19] <patdk-wk> needless to say, mysql is much better at sorting than php, cause it has indexs :)
[16:19] <mrand> heh.  so why not use them? ;-)
[16:20] <patdk-wk> also, mythweb video directorypath was broken, stripping /'s from paths
[16:20] <patdk-wk> both where commited in under a week :)
[16:21] <mrand> I'm thinking of the case when foxbuntu submitted two patches about the rss feeds.  They layed around for months.
[16:21] <patdk-wk> hmm, I don't even use the rss feature, probably why
[16:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, seems rss is only for recorded programs
[18:27] <thopiekar> hi.. I installed mythbuntu x64 and mythweb on it works great, but I can't watch recordings.. flowplayer says that it can't find the clip at path xy..
[18:31] <patdk-wk> flowplayer?
[18:35] <thopiekar> patdk-wk: yes..
[18:35] <thopiekar> same when trying to play via asx stream
[18:39] <patdk-wk> asx works fine here
[18:39] <patdk-wk> but mediaplayer doesn't like it
[18:39] <patdk-wk> any other video player itworks with
[18:40] <thopiekar> when clicking on the asx stream button I get on the browser: 29800_20101227201500.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host.
[18:40] <thopiekar> do I really need to set up the paths on mythtv-setup?
[18:41] <thopiekar> When I leave these settings untouched mythtv will use default paths isn't it?
[18:42] <thopiekar> because the error message I get when clicking on the asx stream says that it can't find any path in this group.
[18:50] <superm1> it could be a symlink problem
[18:50] <superm1> if you check on the filesystem under the mythweb directory in /var/www, look at the data folder
[18:51] <superm1> are there broken symlinks?
[18:54] <thopiekar> doesn't seem so..
[18:54] <thopiekar> mythtv-setup says before closing that I even haven'T set a default storage folder..
[18:55] <thopiekar> which should i set?
[18:55] <thopiekar> I mean choose?
[18:57] <thopiekar> superm1:
[18:58] <superm1> i'm not sure i've seen that before - do you not have all the right storage groups made maybe?
[19:00] <thopiekar> I haven't set any path atm.. so I 'd like to set a "default" one.. but which path should I choose?
[19:01] <thopiekar> I tried /home/mythtv but it doesn't have the permissions, mythtv-setup says..
[19:12] <superm1> oh /var/lib/mythtv is where "defaults" are
[19:13] <thopiekar> ok I made now an alternative folder which has all read/write rights for all users at /home/mythtv/storage
[19:13] <thopiekar> but thanks, superm1 ;)
[19:15] <thopiekar> yeaH! Settings this folder also fixed my streaming problem
[19:17] <thopiekar> so what you can add in the future, is to set this folder path for "Default" and problems like mine are "pre-solved" :D
[19:21] <tgm4883> thopiekar, default what?
[19:21] <thopiekar> storage group
[19:21] <superm1> well it should have been the default from the install - i suspect you might have made changes to some of the storage groups by hand?
[19:21] <tgm4883> for?
[19:22] <tgm4883> i'm assuming you mean either a videos storage group or a recordings storage group
[19:22] <tgm4883> which both already have defaults
[19:45] <thopiekar> hmm yes, but if these paths are not set mythweb can't find the recordings.
[19:45] <thopiekar> mythwebs fault?
[22:37] <bergqvistjl> Anyone having problems with lirc on mythbuntu 10.10 when upgrading via autobuilds to mythtv 0.24?


[11:13] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Interesting thread on the ML - and there is still time for what you mentioned there, since Feature Freeze != Feature Definition Freeze - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[11:14] <krytarik> Till February 18th, tbe.
[11:15] <cfhowlett> Anyone know of any official wallpaper developing underway?  I am considering trying to coordinate a community contest if no one else is doing it.
[13:31] <zequence> cfhowlett: Zak hasn't answered yet, and considering we are so late in the cycel already, I think you should just go ahead with that
[13:31] <cfhowlett> zequence, roger that.  I'll run the arrangements through the team before going public
[13:32] <zequence> cfhowlett: Cool. It's been long overdue. Thanks for fixing that.
[13:32] <cfhowlett> :)


[04:35] <werwolf> hi
[05:19] <studio-user793> wow havent used IRC in years
[16:44] <astrmix> Всем привеьт
[16:44] <astrmix> алло)
[16:55] <d> ciao
[16:55] <dario> ciao
[18:02] <erick_> Hi, I have a quick question. According to the news here -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-14.04.4-LTS
[18:03] <erick_> How do I use it in Ubuntu Studio? I am currently using 14.04, not 14.04.4
[18:04] <erick_> What if I reinstall my Ubuntu Studio 14.04? Would 14.04.4 be in automatically?
[18:05] <OvenWerks> erick_: if you have been keeping your system up to date with regular upgrades then you already have 14.04.4
[18:06] <OvenWerks> erick_: The prupose of creating new .2 .3 .4 ISOs is that someone installing from scratch doesn't have to do a huge upgrade as soon as they install.
[18:07] <erick_> Now, I want to download new ISO.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> erick_: OK, I would wait till the end of April when the next LTS comes out.
[18:08] <erick_> Would it be there on Ubuntu Studio website now?
[18:08] <OvenWerks> erick_: yes.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> but I think the latest one will be 14.04.3 as .4 has not been released yet (maybe I am wrong and it has)
[18:09] <erick_> I found ubuntustudio-14.04.3-dvd-i386.iso for my 32 bits machine.
[18:09] <erick_> The news said today, though.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/trusty/release/
[18:09] <OvenWerks> should have 14.04.4
[18:10]  * OvenWerks has to go
[18:15] <erick_> https://ubuntustudio.org/download
[18:15] <erick_> I only see 14.04.3 for Ubuntu Studio.
[18:19] <erick_> I see your link now.
[23:12] <Guest66409> Hi, Ubuntu Studio is built on the top of Xubuntu right?
[23:13] <Guest66409> Or Ubuntu Studio adds Xfce DE by their teams.
[23:14] <Unit193> Well, not quite.  They both use Xfce and even kind of sync config, it does have its own.
[23:15] <Guest66409> I see. Why wouldn't they just use Xubuntu, though?
[23:15] <Guest66409> It does sound like a benefit to do so.
[23:16] <Guest66409> Do they share the knowledge in any way?
[23:17] <Unit193> There's some intentional differences, but otherwise.   Well the teams do work closely together, and in fact the website guy for Xubuntu helps out Studio with their website too.  Several other contributors try to help out as well.  So it is a good working relationship. :)
[23:18] <Guest66409> I see.
[23:18] <Guest66409> what are some of the intentional differences?
[23:18] <Unit193> I don't know/remember. :D
[23:18] <Unit193> Sorry mate.
[23:19] <Unit193> Different set of default applications, clearly.  Not sure in ways of settings though.
[23:20] <Guest66409> I see. Thank you.


[18:02] <I3lackkat> ok i got a question yall might be able to help with
[18:03] <I3lackkat> The menu bar at the top of the screen keeps blocking applications running so i cant close or min / miximise them ?? how can i fix this besides moving the bar or hiding it im also using 3 displays when hiding the bar it shows the bar on other desktop
[18:05] <diogenes_> gotta screenshot?


[01:40] <bryce> keescook: there's only one issue left before I will be comfortable turning bulletproof-x mode on.  There is a bug in gdm where it doesn't recognize after it starts FailsafeXServer, that it's in a failsafe mode, and it keeps attempting to restart X every minute
[01:41] <bryce> keescook: I created a trivial demo of the bug and sent it to the gdm devel list, so am hoping to get a solution to that within a few days.  Guess we'll see.
[01:41] <keescook> bryce: ah, does that need to be taught to gdm or upstart?
[01:41] <bryce> gdm
[01:41] <keescook> cool
[01:42] <bryce> I dug through the gdm source code and followed how it handles the FailsafeXServer option.  I don't grok all the forks and display detection logic goo, but it feels like it's missing a couple checks for d->failsafe_server...  I'm just not certain where those checks fit
[01:42] <bryce> I get the impression this is a gdm option that hasn't been much used
[01:44] <bryce> wow - displayconfig-gtk made first-mentioned-feature in this piece:  http://news.com.com/Ubuntu+prepares+Gutsy+Gibbon/2100-7344_3-6204359.html
[01:46] <keescook> bryce: xorg uploaded.  :)
[01:47] <bryce> awesome, thanks
[01:57] <keescook> no problemo
[03:50] <bryce> new bulletproof-x photos:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/
[03:55] <ion_> Nice!
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[04:20] <mjg59> tepsipakki: Loss
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[04:21] <tepsipakki> mjg59: hah!
[04:21] <tepsipakki> sorry
[04:21] <tepsipakki> ha
[04:21] <tepsipakki> h
[04:24] <tepsipakki> bryce: really? so maybe just upload the server then?
[04:29] <tepsipakki> bryce: uploaded
[04:33] <tepsipakki> ..and accepted
[04:33] <tepsipakki> ->
[04:47] <Mulder> what's the rationale behind not creating /dev/parport0 by default in feisty and possibly gusty and above?
[04:48] <ion_> mulder: Do you have a parallel port? :-)
[04:48] <Mulder> ion_, yes.
[04:49] <LaserJock> ion_: what kind of question is that? ;-)
[04:49] <LaserJock> lots of people have parallel ports
[04:49] <Mulder> i cant think of many machines that dont
[04:49] <ion_> laserjock: There are PCs with no parallel ports.
[04:49] <LaserJock> ion_: sure some don't
[04:49] <LaserJock> ah, I misunderstood your question
[04:50] <ion_> mulder: Anything interesting about parport in the dmesg output?
[04:50] <LaserJock> I was thinking you were saying that parallel ports where obsolete and nobody uses them
[04:50] <Mulder> nothing interesting, just the usual detected parport thing
[04:50] <Mulder> i mean it's not a big deal, i can just mknod a parport0 character device file myself
[04:51] <ion_> mulder: Ok, so the parport module is loaded automatically on startup, right?
[04:51] <Mulder> but it just seems odd to me it doesnt get created by default
[04:51] <Mulder> yes
[04:51] <Mulder> the system will even create lp0
[04:51] <Mulder> heh
[04:52] <Mulder> i figured it was a design feature?
[04:53] <Mulder> maybe part of some /dev simplification projcet i dont know about heh
[04:54] <ion_> mulder: dmesg | grep parport_pc
[04:54] <ion_> mulder: For instance, here it prints [   34.380000]  parport_pc 00:0a: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[04:55] <Mulder> brb
[04:58] <Mulder> no output from the parport_pc module even though it's loaded. there is only output from parport module
[05:00] <ion_> mulder: Ok, perhaps theres some kind of an ACPI/PNP problem. Is the port enabled in the BIOS settings?
[05:01] <Mulder> should be
[05:01] <Mulder> parallel port is picked up in windows
[05:06] <Mulder> by the tone of the discussion it sounds like it shouldnt be doing this heh
[05:11] <Mulder> that's good to know at least, heh. thanks
[05:11] <ion_> mulder: You probably should report a bug. Mention that parport_pc is loaded automatically but it doesnt recognize the port and that the port works in Windows, and attach the output of sudo lshw and dmesg.
[05:11] <Mulder> ah
[05:11] <Mulder> I have no idea how to file a bug report
[05:12] <Mulder> launchpad i'm guessing?
[05:14] <Mulder> there we go, bug report section in launchpad
[05:15] <ion_> mulder: ubuntu-bug -p linux-image-$(uname -r) should open the correct webpage.
[05:29] <Mulder> excellent thanks
[06:22] <manchicken> Anybody know if there are stable apt bindings for Ruby or Python?
[06:23] <manchicken> The python-apt package seems to be marked unstable on sourceforge.
[06:25] <manchicken> Although I guess it is in the main repo...
[06:25] <RAOF> And gnome-app-install uses them.
[06:26] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[08:39] <sbalneav> Hello.  Trying to squash Bug #134572.  How do I tell pbuilder to build the binaries so they have the debugging info in, so I can gdb the results?
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134572 in nbd "Segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134572
[11:35] <stgraber> I have just done a Wiki to Ical converter for GutsyReleaseSchedule, for those of you who'd like to test, it's at : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/release-ical/ubuntuical.php
[11:39] <RAOF> Hm.  You know what would be cool?  A google calendar.
[11:39] <highvoltage> ew.
[11:39] <coNP> You can use this in Google. IIRC
[11:39] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.
[11:40] <RAOF> It can be imported, at least.
[11:46] <realist> I have the ubuntu iCal imported/synced to google calendar, works a treat
[11:46] <realist> (Especially since you can sync that with thunderbird/lightning)
[11:47] <RAOF> realist: Can you sync (as in watch for changes?)
[11:47] <RAOF> On the other hand, the number of changes are going to be minimal :)
[11:49] <realist> RAOF: google watches for changes on via iCal I believe
[11:50] <RAOF> Cool
[12:45] <Utnubu> hi all
[12:46] <Utnubu> Can anyone tell me why powernowd is still used when there are great kernel scaling governors?
[12:50] <Utnubu> I am experimenting with powertop and powernowd seems to be one of the big tick consumers
[12:51] <Utnubu> and ondemand works fine without powernowd
[12:52] <RAOF> Utnubu: Wow, you must have a highly-tuned system.  On my x86-64 laptop powernowd is responsible for <1% of all wakeups
[12:53] <Utnubu> Not highly tuned but powernowd was one of the first places
[12:53] <RAOF> I suppose my lack of tickless may influence this.
[12:53] <Utnubu> It seems fine now except that hpet isn't activated
[12:54] <Utnubu> RAOF: Afaik powertop makes not much sense without tickless.
[12:55] <RAOF> You can still get useful data.  It's just that you've lost one of the big optimisations.
[12:58] <Utnubu> It really seems to help with energy saving but on my Sony laptop one thing is missing without recompiling the kernel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/117327
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117327 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Sony TX series and possible many other Sony laptops couldn't use the lowest brightness setting" [Undecided,New]
[01:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh neat, powertop has suggestions now
[01:07] <elena_g> Hello, my Audio Device is: "00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)", and I can't get working my microphone for skype or Ekiga...
[01:08] <Hobbsee> elena_g: support is not here, please see the /topic
[01:08] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, has for *ages*.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i  havent run it since it first got synced.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: are htey any good?
[01:09] <elena_g> Hobbsee, sorry then :) kiss!
[01:09] <RAOF> Not terribly for me, but that's because the biggest optimisations are out-of-bounds, I think.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> right
[01:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: The biggest suggestion it doesn't give is "kill pulseaudio".  Pulseaudio uses somewhat more than 10% of my total power when it runs.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: right, yeah.  you could use arts....
[01:15] <RAOF> Or just ALSA, my card actually has a mixer :)
[01:38] <norsetto> !support
[01:38] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[01:39] <norsetto> !jdongcrack > hobbsee
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !jdong | norsetto
[01:39] <ubotu> norsetto: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[01:40] <norsetto> is the > not working?
[01:40] <norsetto> !jdong > hobbsee
[01:40] <Hobbsee> norsetto: that is too
[01:41] <norsetto> ok, so its an IM
[01:41] <norsetto> !jdong > norsetto
[01:45] <norsetto> !search * > norsetto
[01:45] <ubotu> Found: fawn, ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, usetab, music players, kde docs, prefix, grubrepair, debchroot, swat, ttys
[03:36] <dzs> how would the /etc/apt/source.list line "deb http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/ lazarus-stable universe" translate into an URL, please?
[03:38] <tseliot> dsz: ftp://ftp.hu.freepascal.org/pub/lazarus/
[03:38] <Chipzz> dzs: this is not the right channel for this kind of questions
[03:38] <Chipzz> tseliot: no
[03:39] <Chipzz> dzs: but if you want to know, run apt-get update while runnig some kind of sniffer?
[03:39] <Chipzz> urlsnarf from dsniff will be helpfull
[03:39] <StevenK> apt-get has a --print-uri or --print-uris option.
[03:40] <Chipzz> StevenK: I think that only works for packages
[03:40] <StevenK> Chipzz: "This also works with the source and update commands."
[03:41] <StevenK> From apt-get(8)
[03:41] <dzs> i dont want to know how to use apt-get. i dont use ubuntu
[03:41] <Chipzz> StevenK: oh, it does
[03:41] <dzs> and what could be the right place to ask then how dpkg internally resolves the sources.list into URLs?
[03:41] <tseliot> Chipzz: I thought the repo was browseable
[03:41] <StevenK> dzs: http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/universe, I think
[03:41] <Chipzz> dzs: it's not dpkg that does it, obviously
[03:42] <StevenK> lazarus-stable/binary-<arch>/universe, actually
[03:42] <dzs> StevenK: you rock. thanks!
[03:42] <Chipzz> StevenK: you're correct
[03:42] <Chipzz> StevenK: err no :)
[03:42] <Chipzz> http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/ ;)
[03:43] <StevenK> Right. :-)
[03:43] <Chipzz> http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/dists/lazarus-stable/universe/binary-i386/ :)
[03:43] <StevenK> Ahh
[03:43] <norsetto> but if he wants the package, isn't that in pools?
[03:44] <Chipzz> norsetto: the layout of a repository can vary wildly
[03:44] <StevenK> It doesn't have to be. Depends on what Packages.gz says.
[03:44] <norsetto> ok, I assume they use the Debian layout
[03:44] <norsetto> its pool actually :-)
[04:31] <frafu> Hello, Could anybody please check whether at-spi-registryd is running at gdmlogin (= plain login screen)? I would like to know whether it is a problem in ubuntu or only a problem with my setup. Thanks in advance.
[07:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone know which gnome start-up script is likely to handle the Log-In sound (settings are in ~/.gnome2/sound/events/gnome-2.soundlist) but using inotifywait & lsof I can't capture the process that is accessing it
[07:25] <Q-FUNK> howdy! for bug #130620 what is the correct procedure?
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130620 in myspell-lv "Please sync myspell-lv (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130620
[08:21] <evand> If anyone that can sponsor an upload to main has a free momeent and would like to do me a favor, the mythbuntu team would like to see ubiquity 1.5.12 uploaded by the end of the weekend so they don't have to use a PPA:
[08:21] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/ubiquity_1.5.12_source.changes
[08:46] <plopix> I am trying to backport python-qt4 from gutsy to feisty using pbuilder. python-qt4 has an unmet dependency to libqt4. Is it possible to include a successfully backported libqt4 package in a pbuilder run to satify the dependcy for python-qt4?
[08:56] <nixternal> plopix: what is the unmet dependency version? does it have something like (>= 4.3)?
[08:56] <nixternal> libqt4 in feisty is 4.2.1 I believe
[08:58] <plopix> nixternal: yes.
[08:58] <nixternal> change the >= 4.3 to 4.2 and it should fix your problems...err, actually no it probably won't
[08:58] <plopix> and it tells me that it has unsatified depdencies
[08:59] <nixternal> I think the python-qt4 is also 4.3 in gutsy, so you would have to backport all of the libqt4 packages as well
[08:59] <plopix> thats what I wrote, I think ;)
[09:01] <nixternal> ya you did :)
[09:01] <nixternal> maybe if I learned how to read :)
[09:01] <plopix> what I do not know is, how to tell pbuilder to use some local packages
[09:01] <beuno> plopix: maybe just install the backported library and save the pbuilder enviroment?
[09:02] <beuno> open it up with --save-after-login
[09:02] <nixternal> plopix: pbuilder allows you to use an alternate repo (ie. locally) and build hooks
[09:16] <plopix> the pbuilder howto says, that can use --othermirror "deb file:///bla/bla feisty" for that purpose
[11:13] <moyogo> ArneGoetje: ping
[11:15] <davmor2> Don't want to report this as a Bug if it is meant to happen, but the printer applet stays in the task bar after the print job has finished.  Is this normal behaviour or should I bug report it?
[11:16] <dobey> it's probably normal behavior, but not desirable behavior
[11:16] <davmor2> dobey: Bug it is then.
[12:07] <supervillain> Hi, does any of the gutsy applications where compiled with xcb?
[12:27] <davmor2> Is there any technical reason why 'libburn' is no longer install with brasero?
[12:29] <pygi> davmor2, libisofs was dropped as well


[21:29] <lordjj> Hi guys, can anyone help me out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1713147
[22:01] <lordjj> Can anyone point me out to a tutorial on how to mount a USB drive/ local drive and copy files to it?


[01:48] <mup> PR snapd#11541 opened: kernel/fde: add PartitionName to various structs  <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11541>
[07:22] <mborzecki> morning
[08:09] <pstolowski> morning
[08:15] <mup> PR snapd#11474 closed: i/b/network_{control,manager}.go: add more access to resolved <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11474>
[08:15] <mup> PR snapd#11518 closed: i/b/modem-manager: provide access to ObjectManager <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11518>
[08:17] <zyga[m]> hey everyone :)
[08:17] <zyga[m]> spring is here :)
[08:20] <mup> PR snapd#11503 closed: interfaces/docker-support: make generic rules not conflict with snap-confine <Squash-merge> <Bug> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11503>
[09:26] <ogra> zyga[m], did the lawnmowers return from the south yet ? else it isnt spring 😛
[09:26] <zyga[m]> ogra: what? :D
[09:26] <zyga[m]> it feels like spring here, we'll get 15C this week
[09:27] <ogra> 19 predicted for some parts of germany 🙂
[09:31] <zyga[m]> that is nice! I plan to spend some time working outside if I can
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#11505 closed: cmd/snap-preseed, image: move preseeding code to image/preseed <Preseeding 🍞> <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11505>
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#10676 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns/change.go: sort needed, desired and not reused mount entries <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10676>
[11:56] <mup> PR snapd#11515 closed: snap-bootstrap: Partially revert simplifications of mount dependencies <Run nested> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11515>
[11:56] <mup> PR snapd#11536 closed: overlord/state: add helper for aborting unready lanes <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11536>
[14:52] <mup> PR snapd#11520 closed: o/snapstate: avoid setting up single reboot when update includes base, kernel and gadget <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11520>
[14:52] <mup> PR snapd#11530 closed: tests/mounts-persist-refresh-content-snap: regression test for firefox crash <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11530>
[16:42] <mup> PR snapd#11542 opened: i/b/network-manager: split rule with more than one peers <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11542>
[16:57] <mup> PR snapd#11519 closed: snap/quota: additional validation in resources.go <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11519>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#11543 opened: asserts,interfaces/policy: slot-snap-id allow-installation constraints <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11543>
[17:13] <mup> PR snapd#11544 opened: quota: add some more unit tests around Resource.Change() <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11544>
[17:23] <mup> PR snapd#11394 closed: osutil/disks: calculate the last usable LBA instead of reading it <Run nested> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11394>
[17:23] <mup> PR snapd#11545 opened: quota: add test for `Resource.clone()` <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11545>
[17:28] <mup> PR snapd#11541 closed: kernel/fde: add PartitionName to various structs  <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11541>
[17:48] <mup> PR snapd#11546 opened: debug-tools/snap-debug-info.sh: add debug script <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11546>
[17:58] <mup> PR snapd#11547 opened: tests: Workaround lxd issue lp:10079 (function not implemented) on prep-snapd-in-lxd <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11547>
[20:59] <mup> PR snapd#11548 opened: release: 2.55 <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11548>
[23:49] <mup> PR snapd#11549 opened: gadget/install, kernel: more ICE helpers/support <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11549>
[23:54] <mup> PR snapd#11548 closed: release: 2.55 <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11548>


[08:59] <kraut> moin
[02:01] <ogra> anyone here ?
[02:01] <juliux> hey ogra
[02:02] <juliux> @schedule
[02:02] <RichEd> hi all ... start in 1 min ...
[02:02] <juliux> ogra, ubotu is not here;)
[02:02] <ogra> ah
[02:03] <RichEd> Okay ... here is a test version of the agenda for Edubuntu-Devel ... the old tech part of the 2 hour meeting.
[02:03] <RichEd>     *
[02:03] <RichEd>       Technical
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Where are we in the development cycle:
[02:03] <RichEd>                 +
[02:03] <RichEd>                   What was the last deadline ?
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Item
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Date
[02:03] <RichEd>                 +
[02:03] <RichEd>                   What is the next deadline ?
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Item
[02:03] <RichEd>                       #
[02:03] <RichEd>                         Date
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Progress over the last week
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Items needing to be sorted out for the next deadline
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Issues needing assistance for the next deadline
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:03] <RichEd>             Any Other Items under Artwork
[02:03] <RichEd>           o
[02:04] <RichEd>             Any Other Items under Documentation
[02:04] <RichEd>           o
[02:04] <RichEd>             Planned Activities for coming week
[02:04] <RichEd> let's try this out today and see if it works ... I'll drive the agenda.
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra: Where are we in the development cycle ?
[02:04] <RichEd> What was the last deadline ?
[02:04] <RichEd> Item
[02:04] <RichEd> Date
[02:04] <RichEd> ??
[02:04] <RichEd> sorry about the shody paste ... wiki cut & paste adds line breaks :(
[02:04] <RichEd> *shoddy
[02:05] <ogra> well, lets see if my paste is better then :)
[02:05] <ogra> == General ==
[02:05] <ogra> Done:
[02:05] <ogra> - lots of screensaver fixing for thin client usage (fixed several crashers, no graphics intensive modes being used anymore and no fading)
[02:05] <ogra> - lots of merges and code reviews of ltsp/ldm code (still more ahead)
[02:05] <ogra> - set spec staus where possible (see list below)
[02:05] <ogra> Ahead:
[02:05] <ogra> - TCM needs a lot of love (fixing the userlist functions to get it going with new ldm, easier vnc setup for the chroot/image)
[02:05] <ogra> - one massive bug outstanding to be solved before tribe 6 (bug 121547)
[02:05] <ogra> - tribe 5 planned for this thursday, please help tesing
[02:05] <ogra> - poking around with libflashsupport to get it to multiverse (flash sound on thin clients)
[02:06] <ogra> - get moodle status from moquist (no news yet, he contacted pitti about postgres db creation scripts)
[02:06] <ogra> == Specs ==
[02:06] <ogra> Implemented:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-boot-performance
[02:06] <ogra> - ldm-improvements
[02:06] <ogra> - fully-automatic-swapserver
[02:06] <ogra> - ldm-loadbalancing -> vagrant to set status
[02:06] <ogra> Deferred for gutsy+1:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices
[02:06] <ogra> - gphoto-ltspfs
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-update-manager-integration
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-management-gui -> (hope to get global settings going at least)
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-fat-clients
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-local-apps -> sbalneav to set status
[02:06] <ogra> Unknown:
[02:06] <ogra> - ltsp-palm-devices -> sbalneav to report status
[02:06] <ogra> i'll try to maintain such a report in the future, should keep the tech part short
[02:07] <RichEd> that's great :) ... will be easy to make minutes & action list out of that ...
[02:07] <zul> ./topic
[02:07] <zul> sorry
[02:07] <ogra> right
[02:07] <ogra> zul, ubotu is gone, so no topic updates atm ...
[02:07] <RichEd> can we work through my section suggestions ... to see how it fits together ... I still think we need contest as to where we are in the dev cycle (I know I do) :)
[02:07] <ogra> (edubuntu meeting now)
[02:07] <RichEd> What was the last deadline ?
[02:08] <RichEd> What is the next deadline ?
[02:08] <ogra> no idea ?
[02:08] <RichEd> I mean in terms of the dev cycle ... last one was tribe 4 ?
[02:08] <gpocentek> ogra: I think I have a libflashsupport somewhere if it can help
[02:08] <gpocentek> a package*
[02:08] <ogra> last deadline was UVF/feature freeze
[02:09] <ogra> gpocentek, i have one ready already, but it was rejected, the one from the EdubuntuFAQ is horribly packaged
[02:09] <RichEd> ah ... and explain that in 1 sentence for the technically challenged ... what is UVF ?
[02:09] <ogra> i need to get it going with gnutls instead of libssl etc to get it included
[02:09] <gpocentek> ogra: ok
[02:09] <ogra> upstresam version freeze
[02:09] <ogra> nothing new can enter main anymore
[02:09] <RichEd> :) thanks
[02:10] <ogra> (unless you do a bit of paperwork and get a review)
[02:10] <RichEd> and what is the next deadline ... item and date ?
[02:10] <ogra> feture freeze is no new features can be adeed anymore (same exception rules)
[02:10] <ogra> next immediate dealine is tribe5 (thursday)
[02:10] <RichEd> * Items needing to be sorted out for the next deadline ?
[02:10] <ogra> next important deadline is beta release
[02:11] <ogra> bug 121547 needs to be solved before next tribe release
[02:11] <toutouff> I've got a problem with pbuilder, could you help me ?
[02:11] <ogra> (tribe6, archive is friozen this week until tribe5 is out)
[02:11] <ogra> toutouff, we're in the middle of a meeting and this is no support channel, try #ubuntu-motu
[02:12] <toutouff> sorry, wrong channel
[02:12] <toutouff> :/
[02:12] <RichEd> ogra: quick summary of the bug ? and what needs to be done to squash it ?
[02:12] <ogra> i need to rewrite the installed bits for ltsp
[02:13] <RichEd> and will you be able to manage in time for the deadline ?
[02:13] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/121547
[02:13] <ogra> at least for beta i can guarantee it ... cant promise it for tribe 6
[02:13] <ogra> but i'll do my best
[02:13] <RichEd> * Issues needing assistance for the next deadline ?
[02:13] <ogra> having two tribe releases instead of one before beta doesnt help here :/
[02:14] <RichEd> can anyone help you with that bug or anything else ?
[02:14] <ogra> not wi5th that bug, no
[02:14] <ogra> i listed actions above where others are required
[02:15] <ogra> moodle is still in the clouds, no feedback from mmoquist yet apart from him saying he wants to have it ready
[02:15] <ogra> sbalneav and vagrant need to clean up theoir spec statuses
[02:15] <RichEd> will you prod them, or will it help if i ask nicely as well :)
[02:15] <ogra> beyond that i get all help i can get from scottie during this bugfixing phase
[02:16] <ogra> i'll go after them, all fine
[02:16] <highvoltage> ogra: is vagrant doing full-time ltsp now?
[02:16] <ogra> no
[02:16] <ogra> he's doing freegek
[02:16] <ogra> *freegeek
[02:16] <highvoltage> ah
[02:17] <ogra> he still didnt get his stuff sorted
[02:17] <RichEd> * Any Other Items under Artwork
[02:18] <ogra> anyway, thats all from tech side, any other questions ?
[02:18] <ogra> not yet ... i'll need to tackle the artwork package and do some cleanups .. but thats for tribe6
[02:18] <RichEd> Fine ... Jill mailed to say thanks for the feedback in the meeting last week.
[02:18] <ogra> scott is already preparing docs for the new ltsp stuff we have
[02:19] <RichEd> I mentioned the abstract concept for the default desktop, and she said she would try to complete some she had started.
[02:19] <ogra> good
[02:19] <ogra> i'm fine with the one we have as "young" flavor
[02:19] <RichEd> When is the final freeze for artwork ?
[02:19] <RichEd> official and unofficial ;)
[02:19] <ogra> (the logo could be a bit less in the face though)
[02:20] <RichEd> are you talking about her sample ? the logo comment ?
[02:20] <highvoltage> RichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:20] <ogra> sept 20th is final
[02:20] <ogra> yes
[02:20] <ogra> i'm talking about the sample
[02:20] <RichEd> okay ... i'll add that to the comment page she is working off
[02:20] <ogra> the logo is very huge and to much in the face imho
[02:21] <RichEd> I wanted to give her samples of all of the old default desktops we shipped, but art.ubuntu.com is out of action
[02:21] <RichEd> So I have given her the 2 I have access to ... LTS and feisty
[02:21] <ogra> osdir ususally has a bunch
[02:21] <RichEd> osdir ? not familiar with that ?
[02:21] <ogra> LTS was the chalkboard ...
[02:21] <ogra> osdir.com
[02:21] <RichEd> okay will check for more ...
[02:22] <ogra> edgy and feisty were the best ones we had yet
[02:22] <RichEd> * Any Other Items under Documentation
[02:22] <ogra> as i said, scott is on it and i'll review
[02:22] <RichEd> okay ... is that it for tech then ? anyone with questions ?
[02:23] <RichEd> Okay .... some general discussion for people who are interested:
[02:23] <RichEd> * how do we get more users at the meeting ?
[02:24] <RichEd> I can advertise in the mail list, but I need to get an idea of what topics will pull people in to attend.
[02:24] <juliux> RichEd, for me one meeting per weeks is too much
[02:25] <juliux> RichEd, if it would be only once a month then there could be more topics and more people
[02:25] <ogra> juliux, well, we have different people at the differently scheduled meetings
[02:25] <RichEd> juliux: so would you suggest tech every week, and users once a month ?
[02:25] <juliux> RichEd, yes
[02:25] <RichEd> If we have a edubuntu-users section of the meeting, we can start some debate / poll topics on the mail list, and then meet to discuss monthly ?
[02:25] <RichEd> so keep it down to 1 hour per week for tech & general dev ...
[02:25] <ogra> one in the evening and one in the morning
[02:26] <juliux> ogra, that is also fine
[02:26] <ogra> and we need to find a solution for EC if we do that as well
[02:26] <RichEd> that would work for me as well ... every second week ...
[02:26] <RichEd> but then we are always at the same time ... no variance for the US people
[02:26] <ogra> RichEd, twice a month with alternating times
[02:26] <ogra> as we have iot now, but skip two a month
[02:27] <RichEd> perhaps first meeting of the month ... and do the EC stuff ... and then 3 weeks after that ?
[02:27] <RichEd> that will alternate the times ?
[02:27] <ogra> yeah
[02:27] <juliux> RichEd, one meeting in the morning one in the evening;)
[02:28] <RichEd> okay, let me look at the dates coming up ... and play a bit and then make some suggestions
[02:28] <ogra> good
[02:28] <RichEd> pips1 is not here for community
[02:29] <RichEd> I have nothing else to discuss for today ... and some conference calls coming up ...
[02:29] <RichEd> Anyone else with topics / questions ?
[02:29] <juliux> yeah
[02:29] <juliux> i want to invite you all the german ubucon;) we will have an extra education track
[02:29] <RichEd> great :)
[02:30] <RichEd> have you got a fridge article up ?
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, yes
[02:30] <RichEd> and did you send a mail to the edubuntu lists ?
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, there will be an other if the programm is online
[02:30] <juliux> RichEd, that will come next week
[02:30] <RichEd> good ... what sort of audience are you expecting ? size and type of person ?
[02:31] <RichEd> and give the dates and locations here in the channel, so it can go in the minutes
[02:31] <juliux> we hope betwenn 200 and 500 people
[02:31] <juliux> and there will we everything from developer over normal users to newbies
[02:31] <RichEd> all linux converts already, or some people looking to jump in ?
[02:31] <juliux> date is 20. and 21. october in krefeld/germany
[02:32] <juliux> we think some new people
[02:32] <juliux> the university will invite local schools
[02:32] <RichEd> do you need any more material / presentations / ubuntu stuff ?
[02:32] <juliux> we only need talks;)
[02:32] <cliebow__> ttfn
[02:33] <RichEd> I have a presentation on Edubuntu reference cases ... if someone is prepared to speak on that, I can help them with the slides ?
[02:34] <RichEd> okay ... any other issues for today ?
[02:34] <RichEd> ogra ... are you okay to wind up now ?
[02:34] <juliux> RichEd, cool
[02:34] <ogra> sure :)
[02:34] <RichEd> going once ...
[02:34] <RichEd> going twice ...
[02:35] <RichEd> BONG ... thanks all
[02:55] <highvoltage> hey rodarvus
[02:57] <rodarvus> hey hey
[06:29] <ds500ss> hay
[08:44] <DarkRaven> @schedule
[08:44] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Aug 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 12:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 15:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 19:00: Technical Board
[09:18] <zul> @schedule montreal
[09:18] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 22 Aug 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 08:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 11:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 15:00: Technical Board
[10:00] <mr_pouit> @schedule
[10:00] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 12:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 15:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 19:00: Technical Board
[10:04] <j1mc> hello?
[10:04] <vidd> do we have a meeting going on?
[10:18] <vidd> so no meeting?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> no not right now
[10:19] <vidd> !meeting
[10:19] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:20] <vidd> what is the UTC right now?
[10:24] <Pricey> @now
[10:24] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 22 2007, 20:24:48 - Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers
[10:24] <Pricey> vidd, ^
[10:24] <vidd> ty
[10:45] <vidd> looks like the meeting is a bust....again
[11:04] <Toadstool> @schedule Los_angeles
[11:04] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Aug 05:00: MOTU Team | 27 Aug 08:00: Screencast Team | 28 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 28 Aug 12:00: Technical Board
[11:05] <Toadstool> did xubuntu guys give up already?