[01:02] <sebsebseb> Hi
[01:02] <sebsebseb> What's this?
[01:03] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/UbuntuIRCHelpers
[01:03] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: yeah was about to go there
[01:12] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: It's not really clear, but I guess it's so me can work together as a team doing support,   helping each other out a bit or something
[01:13] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: pretty much yes
[01:13] <sebsebseb> we can, not me can, above
[01:14] <sebsebseb> so can refer support issues to people in here maybe,  if tried to help, but can't really help them properly?
[01:15] <sebsebseb> and ask for help when doing support in here?  if it's needed?
[01:15] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: is that what this channel is about partly?
[01:23] <arand> Is discussiond of the !factoids also within the scope of this chan or is that for #ubuntu-irc?
[01:24]  * erUSUL has the opnion that this channel is just redundant and that everything done here can be done in #ubuntu-irc
[01:24]  * erUSUL added bonus one less channel to join
[01:25] <arand> And there's also #ubuntu-meta for unanswered questions...
[01:26] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: I think this channel could be useful,  if it's used as a like  Ubuntu support team channel,  where we can turn to each other for help with support when it's a good idea to
[01:27] <sebsebseb> no one knows it all
[01:27] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: i'm not disputing the goals of the channel. i'm saying that what you say can be easily done in #ubuntu-irc there was no need to set up this channel (which is less than a week old) it is redundant
[01:27] <sebsebseb> we have our areas
[01:28] <erUSUL> a little tweak in the topic of #ubuntu-irc and an edit in the wiki page and you are done
[01:28] <sebsebseb> ,but  if we knew what each person was good at when it comes to Ubuntu support,  we would know who to come to for help  with issues,  that we can't support properly/fully our selves in the channel
[01:28] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: again i'm not disputing the what. i'm disputing the how
[01:29] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: #ubuntu-irc is the big operators room
[01:29] <sebsebseb> for all Ubuntu channels
[01:29] <sebsebseb> offical ones
[01:29] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: what: coordinate helpers ok! how: set up yet another empty channel with little traffic *not* ok
[01:31] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: I get the impression from the wiki so far,  that they want to tell people off in here for misusing the bot, instead of pm, or even #ubuntu itself
[01:31] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: That's about the only thing that made sense to me when it came to reading the wiki page
[01:32] <sebsebseb> oh and how people who are regular IRC helpers might become community members
[01:32] <rww> erUSUL: I agree.
[01:33] <erUSUL> rww: :)
[01:33] <rww> The purposes of #ubuntu-irc and #ubuntu-irc-helpers seem to me to be mergable, and the two channels' combined traffic seems like it would be reasonable.
[01:33] <erUSUL> more than reasonable
[01:34] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: again i'm not against the goals of the channel i'm against have to join a tens of channles just to keep up
[01:35] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: same here I don't like being in loads and loads of channels either
[01:35] <erUSUL> the solution to every problem seems to be just create yet another channel. and we can make sense of t later
[01:36] <erUSUL> too much traffic in #ubuntu? proposed solution ---> just chop it off in three !!!!
[01:36] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: well I guess #ubuntu should be split into a few more channels, if the user number, who type stuff, not all those idlers,  becomes much bigger
[01:36] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: I started typing the above before your message
[01:37] <sebsebseb> oh so many people in #ubuntu people notice that, thing is we never even see most of them type?
[01:37] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: that just will split knowledge
[01:37] <rww> There are plenty of good reasons why that's a bad idea. I'll go grab the relevant bug report ;P
[01:37] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: i for one will have to choose one of the three.
[01:38] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/392799
[01:39] <rww> one of the reasons why use of #ubuntu-meta is being encouraged is to catch questions that are missed because of the channel's volume
[01:39] <sebsebseb> I guess it's since Xchat has #ubuntu as the default channel, if I remember correctly, why there are so many idlers, that we don't see type.
[01:39] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: Some people are in around 60 channels, and more than one network, but most of us nope.
[01:40] <erUSUL> sebsebseb: good for them. i can not
[01:40] <sebsebseb> maybe 60 is quite the exeragation, but there are those people in a lot of channels and more than one network
[01:40] <sebsebseb> erUSUL: I am just saying, and I woudn't want to do something like that myself
[01:40] <erUSUL> :)
[01:41] <sebsebseb> altough maybe one day I will try something like that, just to try :D
[01:41] <arand> Problem is #ubuntu is great for "simple-medium" questions, but for more advanced questions, I don't feel there's not much response in #ubuntu, and sometimes it's almost more likely to get somewhere in #ubuntu+1 even though it's not related to dev version..
[01:41] <sebsebseb> arand: sometimes even the basic questions don't get answered in #ubuntu
[01:42] <sebsebseb> in fact most of the questions being asked in #ubuntu I would consider as being intermediate to advanced
[01:43] <sebsebseb> basic qustions here and there,  but there are a lot of questions, where the answer is to use quite a few commands or to maybe edit some files
[01:43] <sebsebseb> then of course the standard comon stuff,  pulse audio, wireless,  ATI graphics card issues
[01:44] <arand> ...dual monitors, grub...
[01:44] <sebsebseb> yep and those two
[01:44] <sebsebseb> altough
[01:44] <sebsebseb> I don't think many average computer users, have a dual monitor
[01:45] <sebsebseb> dual monitor issues aren't that common or I am missing it quite a lot or something
[01:46] <sebsebseb> another issue with #ubuntu is that it's  rather busy for new users
[01:47] <sebsebseb> hence one reason why quite a lot of people want to pm for example
[01:48] <sebsebseb> sometimes not that much going on in there, but most of the time there is
[01:51] <arand> What I just came to think of now is that it would be very sweet if "helpers" would have access to a set of "filter" scripts so one could easily say "I can help in the categories: grub, dual-booting and general" And then only get those questions...
[01:52] <sebsebseb> so many people in there
[01:52] <sebsebseb> ,but we have regular helpers, and those who don't do it that often
[01:53] <sebsebseb> can't easilly find out what everyone is good at who wants to help in there I guess,   and no not say a form on say Launchpad will be good enough for example, since not everyone who uses Ubuntu IRC want's to use Launchpad
[01:53] <sebsebseb> a form yeah where people can fill in saying what they want to do.  Even if it was on a website, not everyone who wants to help in #ubuntu would want to fill it in I expect.
[01:54] <sebsebseb> However regular helpers who care enough about things, are likely to come to a channel such as this one I expect,  and here we can ask each other what we can help with,  and  turn to each other for help at times, when doing support in #ubuntu  Well those are my suggestions for this channel
[01:55] <rww> sebsebseb: /meta metabot help subscribe
[01:56] <rww> /msg, not /meta
[01:56] <sebsebseb> rww: uhmm?
[01:56] <rww> sebsebseb: Are you familiar with #ubuntu-meta and metabot?
[01:56] <sebsebseb> rww: no
[01:57] <sebsebseb> I know it exists, but don't really know about it. I decided to join  the channel again  a bit after joining this one
[01:57] <sebsebseb> was going to check out the wiki
[01:57] <rww> sebsebseb: /join #ubuntu-meta, idle in there for a while. It's pretty self-explanatory. If you do /msg metabot help, it'll give you a list of commands, one of which is the ability to subscribe to a particular category.
[01:58] <sebsebseb> rww: oh
[01:58] <sebsebseb> right, but that channel is for only un answered questions I think
[01:59] <rww> sebsebseb: you can set a timeout for how long they have to be unanswered before it notifies you.
[02:00] <rww> of course, it's not a substitute for sitting in #ubuntu and paying attention, it's a supplement that catches missed questions
[02:09] <sebsebseb> rww: got a description of something, but not sure how to set whatever up
[02:11] <sebsebseb> rww: Well I got it to tell me the Available categories
[02:13] <rww> sebsebseb: for example, if you wanted to get notified of package-category questions 30 seconds after they were asked, you'd do /msg metabot subscribe package privmsg 30
[02:15] <sebsebseb> rww: right so, it can pm me what's also in the channel, for my choosen cateogire/s ?
[02:16] <rww> sebsebseb: The channel's set to notify after about five minutes. So if you did the above, you'd get a PM before it showed up in the channel. And yeah, it'd be only for the categories you set.
[02:17] <sebsebseb> oh right
[02:17] <sebsebseb> and 30 seconds is just an example, I could do 10 seconds or even 1 second?
[02:17] <rww> I assume so, yeah.
[02:19] <sebsebseb> ok could be a good idea,  don't want to waste time watching the channel quite a lot, like I have done in the past, and I only tend to help with certain basic areas
[02:21] <sebsebseb> rww: well thanks I guess
[02:21] <rww> sebsebseb: no problem, glad I could be of help
[02:28] <IdleOne> rww: that was the best explanation on how to use metabot. thank you!
[11:01] <geli> hello
[11:02] <rww> hello
[11:02] <guntbert> geli: this is no support channel - please use #ubuntu
[11:02] <geli> oh sorry
[18:33] <ThatGuy-_-_> I cant find the wallpaper I downloaded, in order to set it to slideshow
[18:35] <erUSUL> ThatGuy-_-_: support is in #ubuntu
[18:35] <ThatGuy-_-_> thx
[20:16] <jussi01> arand: generally I would say -installer, but if someone says nonfree its no big deal
[20:17] <arand> jussi01: you know if is it supposed to be removed at some point or are plans to always keep it there?
[20:17] <jussi01> arand: I imagine itll disappear at some point, probably after Lucid Id guess, but Im not certain
[21:07]  * jussi01 waves to cjohnston
[21:07] <cjohnston> o/
[21:08] <cjohnston> :-)
[21:09]  * cjohnston noticed that the discussion regarding changes in -ops had died down... (allowing/not allowing people in)
[21:10] <IdleOne> Does that mean the issue is resolved?
[21:10] <jussi01> cjohnston: we are all thinking about it.
[21:11] <jussi01> no
[21:11] <cjohnston> ya..
[21:11] <cjohnston> still nothing new.. I wont be at the meeting Saturday :-(
[21:11] <IdleOne> what does the general consensus seem to be at this point?
[21:11] <cjohnston> -1 from what i can tell...
[21:12] <cjohnston> but thats completely my observation
[21:12] <IdleOne> yeah, understood
[21:13] <IdleOne> I like the moderated/only certain approved users option
[21:13] <IdleOne> but then that will create division in the community so not the best solution
[21:15] <jussi01> Im a big fan of the mirror channel tbh. allows people to see instantly whats going on, but not interfere with the process
[21:15] <IdleOne> yeah that sounds good also
[21:16] <IdleOne> but I fear that a channel like that will attract trolls requiring another channel for the ops to have to moderate heavily
[21:17] <IdleOne> unless it is set to +m
[21:34] <christonapushbik> i need help pls!!!
[21:35] <christonapushbik> i install kubuntu yesterday
[21:35] <IdleOne> christonapushbik: with?
[21:35] <IdleOne> christonapushbik: type /join #kubuntu and ask your question, someone will help if they can.
[21:35] <christonapushbik> and after a day of searching internet i am hardly being able to connect internet
[21:36] <christonapushbik> i want to run firefox
[21:36] <christonapushbik> but dunno how it can b done :|


[08:11] <brunch> any way to upgrade to bionic from the previous dailies without formatting?
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> brunch: in this stage i would not reccomend it
[08:13] <brunch> I'll format, then
[08:13] <brunch> out of curiosity; why?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> brunch: too early stage i think to properly update
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> brunch: daily just got released, so even in this stage regular setup clean can go wrong sometimes
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> brunch: but its your system right, you can improvize as you wish
[08:15] <ducasse> i heard someone mention the upgrade path is not ready yet, bionic isn't included in the right files yet or something like that
[08:16] <ducasse> dunno if that's changed since then
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> brunch: another reason would be helping bug out at its best on a clean install(no leftovers from previous version)
[08:22] <brunch> oh yeah I didn't think of that


[12:24] <superm1> coax input
[12:24] <majoridiot> weird stuff
[12:25] <superm1> the really weird thing -
[12:25] <majoridiot> definitely has problem with the white blalance colorspace.
[12:25] <superm1> it was fixed perfectly by unplugging a webcam
[12:25] <superm1> the webcam was /dev/video0
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video0
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video`1
[12:25] <superm1> and ivtv was /dev/video1
[12:25] <superm1> third times a charm :)
[12:25] <superm1> he unplugged the webcam, rebooted - ivtv got /dev/video0 and things worked fine
[12:25] <majoridiot> so the webcam driver is buggy
[12:26] <superm1> spitting garbage all over the rest of v4l devices though?
[12:26] <superm1> that seemed a bit odd to me
[12:27] <majoridiot> unless it's some sort of ivtv quirk on that particular hardware
[12:27] <majoridiot> i've never had any problems with ivtv running at /dev/video1 or /dev/video2
[12:27] <superm1> he was very excited though that things were up and running.  he said feisty was by far the easiest myth install ever following the help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV guides
[12:27] <superm1> yea me either
[12:28] <majoridiot> who was this?
[12:28] <superm1> bramblewhalen or whalenster
[12:28] <superm1> he goes by both
[12:29] <majoridiot> ah. k.  not familiar.
[12:29] <superm1> i've spoke with him on and off for some time
[12:29] <majoridiot> Xenocide was doing a fresh feisty  install yesterday and was quite pleased as well
[12:29] <superm1> ah wonderful
[12:30] <superm1> I think i saw chad pop in here at some point to (i was only at my comp about 3 minutes yesterday -  enough time to see the irc channel list)
[12:30] <majoridiot> he was in later last night
[12:31] <majoridiot> comcast is hosing him on firewire... we discussed it a bit.
[12:31] <superm1> oh no?
[12:31] <superm1> i thought 5C was abolished
[12:31] <superm1> with comcast
[12:31] <majoridiot> well, i don't think the problem is 5C, but i'm not sure
[12:32] <superm1> well of course they always give everyone the runaround with regard to *getting* the box
[12:32] <superm1> you pointed him at the fcc docs i assume?
[12:32] <majoridiot> anyway, nothing but OTA will go out over firewire and that's against the law.
[12:32] <superm1> well not true.
[12:32] <majoridiot> i pointed him at the statutes
[12:32] <superm1> i never got anything but analog and OTA over firewire in rochester last year after time warner locked down my firewire box
[12:33] <superm1> and i pushed and pushed and got nowhere
[12:33] <majoridiot> you pushed in the wrong places ;)
[12:33] <majoridiot> lol
[12:33] <superm1> well there is a technicality to your statement
[12:34] <superm1> if nothing but OTA goes out thru firewire period, then thats against the law
[12:34] <majoridiot> without a special determination, the must allow for timeshifting and reording of non pay-per view and it is hardware neutral
[12:34] <majoridiot> exept with repect to the internet and cable modems
[12:34] <superm1> now if everything but OTA doesn't go out in unecyrypted format, thats legal - as long as its available with the proper encryption
[12:34] <majoridiot> nope.
[12:34] <majoridiot> sec
[12:35] <superm1> then how are they gettign away with 5C everywhere in the country - this makes no sense to me then.....
[12:35] <majoridiot>  (1) Commercial audiovisual content shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof except as follows:
[12:35] <majoridiot> (i) To prevent or limit copying of video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmissions, subject to the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section; and
[12:35] <majoridiot> (ii) To prevent or limit copying, other than first generation of copies, of pay television transmissions, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access delivery transmissions; and
[12:35] <majoridiot> (2) With respect to any commercial audiovisual content delivered or transmitted in form of a video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmission, a covered entity shall not encode such content so as to prevent a covered product, without further authorization, from pausing such content up to 90 minutes from initial transmission by the covered entity (e.g., frame-by-frame, minute-by-minute, megabyte by megabyte).
[12:36] <superm1> what is this taken from?
[12:36] <majoridiot> if it's not PPV, a pay service like HBO, ETC. or VOD, they can't legally restrict firewire transmissions.
[12:37] <majoridiot> title 47 of the code of federal regulations
[12:37] <majoridiot>  76.1904
[12:37] <majoridiot> (i do this kinda shit for a living ;)  )
[12:37] <superm1> okay, so tell me why does 5C exist then on everything across the country
[12:37] <superm1> i mean i would think there would have been dozens of lawsuits regarding this already
[12:37] <majoridiot> it doesn't *everywhere* and on *everything*
[12:38] <majoridiot> i have nothing on mine that is 5C except pay channels
[12:38] <superm1> okay *reword*.  why does it exist on so many cable company's content
[12:38] <superm1> because every cable company i've had now
[12:38] <majoridiot> and i have not checked to see if i paid for them if they would go over firewire
[12:38] <superm1> i've had 3 different cable providers now
[12:38] <majoridiot> because 99% of the people have no clue what 5C is, and the ones that do don't know the law
[12:39] <majoridiot> the cable companies will do it until they are forced not to.
[12:39] <superm1> okay then this begs the question - who are the right people to push regarding this.
[12:39] <majoridiot> senators, congressmen and the FCC
[12:40] <majoridiot> FCC first- it is their duty to enforce tat law
[12:40] <majoridiot> or explain why they are not
[12:40] <superm1> did you have to in order to get your local cable company to get 5C off?
[12:40] <superm1> or were you just fortunate enough to begin
[12:40] <majoridiot> which requires they also show a special determination and where it was published.
[12:41] <majoridiot> it was dodgy at first, so i called...
[12:41] <gardengnome> superm1: hey, you wanted to talk to me a few days ago?
[12:41] <superm1> gardengnome, yes but i dont recall why
[12:41] <superm1> gardengnome, probably nothing too important
[12:41] <majoridiot> inisisted on being passed up the line to supervisors and their supervisors...
[12:41] <gardengnome> superm1: heh, k
[12:41] <superm1> majoridiot, i did the same thing.
[12:41] <majoridiot> made it clear i knew the law, explained what i was doing, explained it was *no different* that hooking up a pvr
[12:41] <majoridiot> and it went away within a week
[12:42] <superm1> but i eventually hit a field engineer  who gave me a straight answer that it wasnt their decision
[12:42] <superm1> that it was content provider's decisions
[12:42] <superm1> that they were in control of what content had 5C turned on
[12:42] <majoridiot> no... it is the FCCs decision.
[12:42] <superm1> are you sure?
[12:42] <majoridiot> absolutely.
[12:42] <majoridiot> that is what the FCC does
[12:42] <majoridiot> they make and enforce
[12:43] <majoridiot> the cable companies MUST comply
[12:43] <superm1> well if not for the fact that i will only be living in the same place for 4 months at a time for the next 8 months, I'd go and push my next two cable companies
[12:43] <majoridiot> the only reason they aren't is because their content providers pushed them into a corner and not enough people have complained to make a difference.
[12:43] <superm1> do you think this is why comcast is pulling it around the country then?
[12:43] <superm1> because enough people did complain?
[12:43] <majoridiot> yes and no
[12:44] <majoridiot> it's subterfuge
[12:44] <majoridiot> yes they are pulling 5C
[12:44] <majoridiot> but they are also changing a broadcast flag that breaks firewire
[12:44] <superm1> wha?
[12:44] <majoridiot> which i *think* is what chad's prob is.
[12:45] <superm1> so on the channels that should be working - his box's diag screen is indeed saying 5C=0?
[12:45] <majoridiot> the CCI flag
[12:45] <superm1> but for some other reason, they arent working
[12:45] <majoridiot> dunno if that is wht his box is reporting or not
[12:46] <superm1> CCI flag is part of the mpeg stream?
[12:46] <majoridiot> yes
[12:46] <majoridiot> CCI is the copy flag
[12:47] <majoridiot> so a lot of firmware is being updated to broadcast in the clear- no 5C
[12:47] <superm1> i didnt realize that there was anything in addition to 5C.  i thought this definition of "copy once, copy never, etc" was part of the 5C spec
[12:47] <majoridiot> but also with a CCI flax of 0x01 or 0x02, etc
[12:47] <majoridiot> which breaks fireiwre
[12:49] <superm1> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-357896-p-46.html
[12:49] <superm1> "if 5C is not enabled, than the CCI flag is meaninless"
[12:49] <superm1> ?
[12:50] <majoridiot> well, here's a screenshot of a non-5C with a CCI of 0x02 that breaks fw: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=78816
[12:51] <superm1> can u dcc it
[12:51] <superm1> i dont have an acct there
[12:53] <superm1> where is 5c on there though?
[12:53] <majoridiot> diff menu
[12:53] <superm1> oh
[01:15] <tgm4883> Hey whats the command to add a line to /etc/modules without having to open it and such.
[01:15] <tgm4883> something like "echo "dvb_cx88"
[01:16] <majoridiot> sudo sh -c "echo "cx88_dvb" >> /etc/modules"
[01:16] <gardengnome> i'd guess it's "...
[01:16] <gardengnome> thanks majoridiot :)
[01:16] <majoridiot> ;)
[01:18] <tgm4883> thanks
[01:18] <tgm4883> i was looking all over for that
[01:18] <majoridiot> oddly enough, it's in the guide.
[01:18] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[01:19] <tgm4883> Is that page new, i dont remember seeing it before
[01:20] <tgm4883> I could be blind though
[01:20] <tgm4883> wouldn't be the first time
[01:20] <majoridiot> it's been there for awhile
[01:20] <tgm4883> im blind then
[01:20] <tgm4883> sign me up for coke bottle glasses and bingo
[01:21] <tgm4883> no offence to those who love pepsi
[01:21] <majoridiot> or cribbage
[01:21] <tgm4883> or cribbage :)
[04:02] <majoridiot> superm1: well, i just got around to checking and the reason that half of my HD channels are corrupted is that the 0x02 CCI has been set.
[04:02] <superm1> oh no?
[04:02] <superm1> when did these corrupted channels begin to come in corrupted?
[04:03] <majoridiot> recent past. hard to tell.
[04:03] <majoridiot> but certainly since start of the year
[04:03] <superm1> so you really think you will be able to get them to set CCI to 0x00 by a simple call?
[04:03] <majoridiot> in this case THEY HAVE TO- they are all OTA HD channels
[04:03] <majoridiot> including a PBS LMMFAO
[04:03] <superm1> oh snap.
[04:03] <majoridiot> yup.
[04:04] <majoridiot> my guess, is a tech got itchy when locking down the HDNet channels
[04:04] <majoridiot> or something at the head got messed.
[04:04] <superm1> it'll be nice if thats all it was
[04:04] <majoridiot> in any event, they will be fixing this. ;)
[04:05] <superm1> depending on how badly my roomate and i want to get digital cable this summer at our next place, i'll see if i need to get some tips from you...
[04:05] <majoridiot> what since would it make for them to select 4 or 5 ota HD channels to lock down with 0x02 and leave everything else wide open?
[04:05] <majoridiot> (sense)
[04:05] <superm1> otherwise my Air2PC HD5000 will handle any non encrypted QAM channels at least for me (which is most of what i watch anyhow)
[04:05] <majoridiot> nice
[04:06] <superm1> well i hope they dont lock down more by your call though
[04:06] <superm1> as in oh we meant to lock it all
[04:06] <superm1> and you just reminded us
[04:06] <majoridiot> non-encrypted as in non-5C or is it ok with 0x02 CCI?
[04:06] <superm1> on encrypted as in i dont need a digital cable box for them
[04:07] <majoridiot> ah
[04:07] <superm1> typically its just the OTA channels being rebroadcasted and other people who use on demand channels
[04:08] <majoridiot> well, the way i look at it... insight is in the process of merging with comcast (ew)... and if they want that merger to go through smoothly, then they must pass franchising, etc.
[04:09] <majoridiot> the city holds the local franchise
[04:09] <majoridiot> i'm not planning for war, tho.  insight has been very good to deal with.
[04:10] <majoridiot> i think i will call and report a problem, get a tech here, explain and have him call the right guy.
[04:11] <majoridiot> that seemed the best route when the phone geeks couldn't suss out what i meant by a "ground-loop" prob i was fighting on my broadband connection.
[04:19] <superm1> how do you get a tech though?
[04:19] <superm1> rather than a regularcustomer service rep
[04:19] <majoridiot> just report a problem they can't handle.
[04:19] <superm1> yea thats the same thing i had to do to climb the chain of support
[04:19] <superm1> still got me nowhere though :)
[04:20] <superm1> the only time i made real progress was my going in in person
[04:21] <majoridiot> actually, i don't feel like being home between non and six...
[04:21] <majoridiot> i'll start by asking for a supervisor
[04:21] <superm1> non and six?
[04:21] <majoridiot> that usually gets their attention
[04:21] <majoridiot> noon
[04:21] <superm1> oh
[04:21] <superm1> noon and six - thats when you have to normally call?
[04:22] <majoridiot> i meant for a tech to come
[04:22] <superm1> oh
[04:22] <majoridiot> they give you that "block" of sit around and wait on us time.
[04:22] <superm1> makes more sense
[04:22] <superm1> yea
[04:23] <majoridiot> i'll start it as a "problem"
[04:23] <majoridiot> i.e. why is it that...?
[04:23] <majoridiot> and see what they say.
[04:23] <superm1> what bugs me more than anything - the first thing that they tend to make you do is switch out the box
[04:23] <majoridiot> (it may escalate into a complaint from there) LOL
[04:24] <majoridiot> yeah... that's usually resolution step one.
[04:24] <majoridiot> like calling dsl repair and the first thing they make you do is recycle the power to the modem and router, even though you have repeatedly.
[04:25] <superm1> yes exactly
[04:25] <superm1> when i eventually had a supervisor's email, i captured the diag screen on my ivtv card
[04:25] <superm1> showing what a 5c channel loooked like
[04:25] <superm1> and he still made me switch the box first
[04:26] <superm1> such stupid shit
[04:26] <majoridiot> protocol
[04:26] <majoridiot> cya
[04:26] <superm1> leavin?
[04:26] <majoridiot> sorry... no.
[04:26] <majoridiot> Cover Your Ass
[04:26] <superm1> ah
[04:26] <superm1> yes
[04:26] <majoridiot> so at the next performance review, he can show he played by the rules
[04:27] <majoridiot> even when he didn't have to
[04:27] <majoridiot> ok... brings up a good question...
[04:27] <majoridiot> on a 5C channel...
[04:28] <majoridiot> if you take the output from the stb into a 150, does it cap ok or does macrovision get it?
[04:29] <superm1> captures fine
[04:29] <majoridiot> i thought it would
[04:29] <majoridiot> but have learned not to assume
[04:29] <superm1> never had macrovision troubles
[04:29] <majoridiot> some has happened to firewire in feisty
[04:29] <majoridiot> something
[04:30] <majoridiot> takes longer to establish a good connection and lags occasionally...
[04:30] <superm1> thats odd?
[04:31] <majoridiot> was waiting to dig into it...
[04:31] <majoridiot> i notived that libiec61883-dev didn't come with, as it did with edgy
[04:31] <majoridiot> thought maybe there would be an update
[04:32] <superm1> didnt come with?
[04:32] <superm1> you mean no feisty version
[04:32] <majoridiot> correct
[04:32] <majoridiot> it was packaged with feisty
[04:32] <superm1> well no new upstream version would mean no new version for feisty
[04:32] <majoridiot> er
[04:32] <majoridiot> edgy
[04:32] <superm1> should have told me sooner though if there was one
[04:33] <superm1> coulda packaged it
[04:33] <majoridiot> didn't realize it until yesterday
[04:33] <superm1> ah
[04:33] <majoridiot> was having a priming problem and couldn't do a "plugreport"
[04:34] <majoridiot> (note: priming problems will always occur when the STB is powered off)
[04:34] <superm1> well if there is a new upstream version, i can help you package it
[04:35] <superm1> in the next coming weeks
[04:35] <majoridiot> great.  ty.
[04:35] <superm1> can be your first package and all :)
[04:35] <superm1> are you going to run for ubuntu membership later this year too?
[04:35] <superm1> and try to get an @ubuntu.com address and all
[04:36] <majoridiot> never considered it, honestly
[04:36] <majoridiot> a good idea
[04:39] <superm1> at least look into it.  you've been putting in lots of work here
[04:39] <superm1> it is great to get recognized for it
[04:40] <superm1> i'm not sure if i will be able to be a sponsor, but if so i'd be glad to
[04:40] <majoridiot> appreciated
[04:40] <majoridiot> is there a regular cycle for applications or just whenever?
[04:42] <superm1> i dont remember off hand how it worked
[04:42] <superm1> i think its every community council meeting
[04:42] <superm1> so there is a regular cycle to it
[04:42] <superm1> there is a page on wiki.ubuntu.com about it
[04:49] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[04:49] <superm1> that talks a bit about it
[04:49] <majoridiot> ah... ty.  got distracted.
[04:49] <majoridiot> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17505/Ubuntu-Feisty-Fawn-Desktop-Linux-Matured/
[04:49] <majoridiot> just one of many...
[04:51] <superm1> actually this better describes the process
[04:51] <superm1> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[04:59] <majoridiot> is all the mythbuntu stuff available for download somewhere?
[04:59] <superm1> yes bzr branch
[05:00] <majoridiot> damn.  meant to look at bazaar today.
[05:00] <superm1> apt-get install bzr
[05:00] <superm1> :)
[05:00] <majoridiot> well there just a *little* more to it than that
[05:00] <majoridiot> unless it has some KILLER AI
[05:01] <superm1> well man bzr for the rest
[05:01] <superm1> teaches how to checkout
[05:01] <majoridiot> hehe yeah
[05:02] <superm1> here is the address you would check out from: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu
[05:03] <majoridiot> excellent... i'm bookmarking it.
[05:05] <superm1> well its not a browsable address afaik
[05:05] <majoridiot> no
[05:05] <superm1> its just the argument you use for checking out the first time
[05:05] <superm1> and for pushing
[05:05] <majoridiot> but i know where i put it :)
[05:06] <majoridiot> i'll see if i can't get at it tomorrow
[05:06] <superm1> well no rush - i wont be able to do much with it myself up until finals now
[05:06] <superm1> so another couple of weeks
[05:06] <superm1> until i can do any real contributions
[05:06] <majoridiot> it will take me another couple of weeks to come up to speed on the basics ;)
[05:07] <superm1> :)
[05:07] <majoridiot> give me a chance to poke around and see if i can figure out how things kinda work
[05:08] <superm1> you can give the live disk build script a run too
[05:08] <superm1> i havent ran it for a while
[05:09] <majoridiot> great
[05:10] <superm1> actually there are a few new changes that will be required to it anyhow
[05:10] <superm1> due to the new packages
[05:11] <superm1> with the wrapper scripts and such
[05:36] <superm1> majoridiot, just ran another build.  only took about 20 minutes for me to build an ISO
[05:36] <superm1> i'll see how things look now with the fresh packages
[05:37] <superm1> 375 megs for the whole ISO with all plugins and such
[05:37] <majoridiot> that's not bad
[05:37] <superm1> and with packages avail on the disk to install mythbackend
[05:37] <superm1> and mythweb
[05:38] <majoridiot> that's pretty compact
[05:38] <majoridiot> :)
[05:39] <superm1> well that whole build process was also using a mirror that should be on internet2, so i had very fast downloads
[05:39] <superm1> i'd expect yours to be roughly twice that
[05:45] <majoridiot> i'm headed out.
[05:45] <majoridiot> talk to you tomorrow
[07:27] <Alam_Debian> hello?
[07:29] <Alam_Debian> since Feb 24, my ubuntu Edgy Mythtv server stopped recording shows, I think It was due to an update of mythtv packages, can anyone help me reset my MythTV database?
[06:05] <superm1> Daviey, !
[06:05] <superm1> hey
[06:05] <Daviey> hey
[06:05] <Daviey> hows things?
[06:05] <superm1> well i'm looking forward to wrapping up school now, thats for sure :)
[06:06] <superm1> 3 weeks left to the end of finals
[06:06] <gardengnome> three days.
[06:06] <gardengnome> here.
[06:06] <gardengnome> :)
[06:06] <Daviey> i bet you are!
[06:06] <superm1> hehe
[06:06] <Daviey> 3 weeks will go so quickley
[06:06] <Daviey> are you doing your finals now?
[06:06] <superm1> they are during that third week
[06:06] <superm1> final projects these two weeks
[06:07] <Daviey> :(
[06:07] <superm1> i'm glad that all of those changes that i put together got done in time for universe freeze last week too
[06:07] <superm1> you heard about them correct?
[06:07] <Daviey> no!
[06:07] <superm1> whew.  lots of stuff got in
[06:08] <Daviey> nothing new tho?
[06:08] <Daviey> just fixes?
[06:08] <superm1> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu5/changelog
[06:08] <superm1> better yet
[06:08] <superm1> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6/changelog
[06:08] <superm1> see those last two sets of changes
[06:09] <Daviey> woo LP: #96739
[06:09] <Daviey> nice 1
[06:09] <superm1> hopefully all the mysql mess is over due to these last two sets of fixes
[06:10] <superm1> and majoridiot finished up all the feisty pages
[06:11] <superm1> so those are live now on h.u.c
[06:11] <superm1> to reflect all of these changes
[06:12] <superm1> Daviey, did you ever end up contacting that guy?
[06:13] <Daviey> what guy?
[06:13] <superm1> in indiana
[06:13] <superm1> the guy that took mythbuntu.org?
[06:13] <Daviey> no!! grr
[06:14] <Daviey> i knew there was something
[06:14] <superm1> haha
[06:15] <superm1> well our server *still* isnt up, so its alright
[11:39] <[g2] > Have you guys heard about LinuxMCE at all ?
[11:40] <majoridiot> not a lot, no.
[11:40] <majoridiot> something specific you need?
[12:08] <superm1> majoridiot, hey
[12:08] <superm1> just sent you mail
[12:08] <superm1> i should learn to sign into IRC *before* responding to your emails
[12:08] <superm1> haha
[12:08] <majoridiot> haha
[12:09] <[g2] > majoridiot, are you familiar with LinuxMCE at all ?
[12:09] <majoridiot> g2: not a lot.  what do you need?
[12:10] <superm1> [g2] , it uses components from several open source projects, afaik mr home, xine, mythtv
[12:11] <superm1> [g2] , its basically Pluto Home (www.plutohome.com) repackaged for debian
[12:11] <superm1> for most people its overkill, but a really neat idea
[12:12] <[g2] > hmmmm where to begin ....
[12:12] <superm1> [g2] , are you just looking to setup a PVR?
[12:12] <superm1> or you do want to go all this home automation stuff
[12:12] <[g2] > I've got my own embedded linux company
[12:13] <superm1> right
[12:13] <[g2] > so I've been doing XScale/ARM embedded linux for the last several years
[12:13] <superm1> right
[12:14] <[g2] > Ubuntu has been the basis for my development system as I had OpenEmbedded layered on top of it
[12:14] <[g2] > The last 6 months or so I've been playing with pvr/media streaming and running the latest feisty stuff for the last few months
[12:15] <[g2] > I tried the latest myth-install and had the same issues a s guy in here had
[12:15] <superm1> you had issues?
[12:15] <superm1> what sort
[12:15] <[g2] > superm1, yes I did
[12:15] <superm1> and with the latest packages?
[12:15] <[g2] > I'd guess about 3-4 weeks ago
[12:16] <superm1> lots has changed in the last 5 days :)
[12:16] <[g2] > things have been a little blur has I've have an appletv that's hacked
[12:16] <majoridiot> lots has changed :)
[12:16] <superm1> [g2] , you put ubuntu on the appletv?
[12:16] <[g2] > my plan it to get a (ubuntu based) myth-tv front-end on the appletv
[12:16] <superm1> oh sweet
[12:16] <[g2] > ppl are running gentoo right now
[12:17] <majoridiot> should be doable.
[12:17] <[g2] > there's an issue with the efi loader
[12:17] <[g2] > so a bastard mach-0 wrapper needs to be created to boot an embedded linux kernel
[12:17] <superm1> so as of now do you have it booting ubuntu yet?
[12:18] <[g2] > superm1, not yet
[12:18] <superm1> [g2] , isnt there a native mac build of mythtv though?
[12:18] <superm1> shouldnt that run right out of the box?
[12:18] <[g2] > superm1, the appletv runs a modifiied Leparod 10.4.7
[12:19] <[g2] > and while I've played with the Apple stuff, I'm really a hardcore Linux guy
[12:19] <superm1> yea i hear ya there
[12:20] <[g2] > there are quite a lot (a dozen or two) really talented Mac hackers really tearing up the Mac side
[12:20] <superm1> well [g2]  what issues were you running across on our packages a few weeks ago
[12:20] <[g2] > but really all those most are just one apple flash away from naught
[12:20] <superm1> i can let you know if those problems have absolved
[12:21] <[g2] > superm1 somebody was walking a guy through a lot (I think all) the problems I was having
[12:21] <[g2] > in here
[12:21] <[g2] > I saw it in the logs
[12:21] <superm1> do you know what day?
[12:21] <superm1> oh actually i think they have been purged from last month already
[12:22] <[g2] > superm1, is ubuntulog  purging files on my box ? :)
[12:22] <superm1> hehe
[12:22] <superm1> good point
[12:22] <superm1> well particularly were they mysql related problems?
[12:22] <superm1> with passwords
[12:22] <superm1> and permissions and such
[12:23] <[g2] > yeah
[12:23] <superm1> okay.  thats exactly what my patches this last week took care of
[12:23] <superm1> as long as you clean up the mess sputtered around from the old ones (apt-get remove --purge mythtv-common mysql-server, rm ~/.mythtv rm /etc/mythtv and delete mythconverg database) you should be fine
[12:25] <[g2] > superm1, Ok I'll be happy to try a re-install and test and report any issue
[12:25] <[g2] > issues
[12:25] <superm1> very good :)
[12:27] <[g2] > superm1, are you around for the next couple hours ?
[12:27] <superm1> actually only for about 20 min more
[12:27] <superm1> i've got work this evening
[12:27] <superm1> i'll check back in later tonite though
[12:27] <superm1> around 10 or 11ish
[12:27] <superm1> central
[12:27] <superm1> majoridiot, is more than capable of helping though :)
[12:28] <superm1> and will point you in the direction of feisty guides that he authored and such too...
[12:28] <[g2] > so super... I'm very impressed with many of the ubuntu devs and ubuntu in general


[06:43] <Squirm> nuvolari: I think we should blame Eskom for this too
[07:23] <Kilos> oh my, we been killed
[07:24] <Kilos> hi 23LAAKYJN
[07:35] <Spekko> rofl
[07:35] <Spekko> Morning Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[07:35] <Kilos> no chanserv even
[07:37] <Kilos> lemme organise a new coffe girl
[07:38] <Kilos> QA coffee on
[07:38]  * QA puts the kettle on
[07:42] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:42] <Kilos> QA ty
[07:42] <QA> You're welcome Kilos
[07:57] <Kilos> wb guys
[07:57] <Kilos> hi superfly
[08:19] <Spekko> Maaz: Coffee on
[08:19]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:19] <Spekko> Maaz load shedding
[08:19] <Maaz> Spekko: Just do it yourself
[08:19] <Spekko> :D
[08:19] <Kilos-> haha
[08:21] <Kilos-> Maaz coffee please
[08:21] <Maaz> Kilos-: Yessir
[08:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Spekko and Kilos-!
[08:23] <Kilos-> Maaz gracias
[08:23] <Maaz> Kilos-: ¡de nada!
[08:24] <Spekko> Maaz Domo arigato
[08:24] <Maaz> Spekko: Excuse me?
[08:24] <Spekko> :'(
[08:25] <Kilos-> ah
[08:25] <Kilos-> wait
[08:25] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos-
[08:25] <Kilos-> hi nuvolari
[08:25] <Kilos-> at is youre welcome in japanese
[08:26] <Kilos-> what
[08:26] <Spekko> Domo arigato = Thanks a lot
[08:26] <Kilos-> spekko?
[08:26] <Spekko> in japanese yeah
[08:26] <Kilos-> the answer man
[08:26] <Spekko> ooh
[08:26] <Spekko> *what
[08:26] <jabberwocky93> lol
[08:26] <Kilos-> ya dunno what happened here
[08:27] <Spekko> do- itashi mashite
[08:27] <Kilos-> ok sec
[08:29] <Kilos-> oh my maaz is stuck
[08:29] <Kilos-> Maaz hi
[08:29] <Maaz> Sup Kilos-
[08:29] <Spekko> Stuck ?
[08:29] <Kilos-> ok Spekko thank him now
[08:29] <Spekko> Maaz Domo Arigato
[08:29] <Maaz> do- itashi mashite Spekko san
[08:29] <Spekko> AAAAAWW YEEAH
[08:30] <Kilos-> is that right?
[08:30] <Spekko> yep that's perfect
[08:30] <Kilos-> cool
[08:31] <Spekko> :D
[08:31] <Kilos-> dunno if it will work without caps
[08:31] <Kilos-> we dont normally use caps
[08:31] <Kilos-> Maaz domo arigato
[08:31] <Maaz> do- itashi mashite Kilos- san
[08:31] <Spekko> strtolower the input or something
[08:31] <Kilos-> yay
[08:31] <Spekko> Wooo-hoo
[08:32] <Kilos-> i dunno that funny stuff man
[08:32] <Spekko> Man im gonna write a bot tonight.. I wrote a NodeJS bot called Alfred a while back
[08:32] <Spekko> Never got around to making him as slick as Maaz
[08:32] <Kilos-> can you do python?
[08:33] <Spekko> Not yet, wanna get into it though. I'm familiar with Java, PHP and some NodeJS
[08:33] <Spekko> and yourself ?
[08:33] <Kilos-> i do english and afrikaans
[08:33] <Spekko> rofl!
[08:33] <Spekko> Touche
[08:34] <Kilos-> hehe
[08:34] <Kilos-> im a ballie man
[08:34] <Kilos-> can only do a few sudo commands
[08:34] <Kilos-> get byteof python
[08:34] <Kilos-> byteofpython
[08:35] <Kilos-> Maaz google byteofpython
[08:35] <Maaz> Kilos-: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop C H"
[08:35] <Maaz> http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python in German | Free Developme…
[08:36] <Spekko> lol, so what do you do for a living ?
[08:36] <Kilos-> i sit here
[08:36] <Spekko> and monitor the irc channel :P ?
[08:36] <Kilos-> sis supports me
[08:37] <Kilos-> ya im the greeter bot here
[08:37] <Spekko> hahahahaha
[08:37] <Kilos-> tumbleweed have you released the new ibid yet
[08:38] <Kilos-> and morning to you
[08:38] <Kilos-> Spekko you can get the ibid bot and source code in the repos
[08:39] <Kilos-> looks like dev work has slowed down
[08:40] <Spekko> i will check it out ye
[08:50] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: afraid not
[08:50] <Kilos-> ok ty
[09:16] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:18] <smile> hi :D
[09:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:32]  * Kilos wbb gonna setup graphical emoticons in konversation
[09:37] <Kilos> yay so easy
[09:38] <Kilos> :-)
[09:47] <Kilos> ai!
[09:52] <smile> brb! :p
[09:55] <smile> it works, Kilos :D
[09:55] <smile> (sound! without annoying sound event)
[09:55] <Kilos> what did you do
[09:56] <smile> I removed the sound applet from autostarting
[09:56] <smile> I added the sound applet to my task bar / panel
[09:56] <Kilos> hehe i need the sounds
[09:56] <smile> I installed xfce4-volumed-pulse
[09:56] <smile> and after that, added autostart item for xfce4-volumed-pulse
[09:56] <smile> (which was automatically added, so I removed the manually added one)
[09:56] <Kilos> ah
[09:57] <Kilos> do you see smileys on that chatzilla thing
[09:57] <smile> yeah I do :)
[09:57] <Kilos> cool
[09:57] <smile> wanna see screenshot? :p
[09:58] <Kilos> i got them working here in konversation as well
[09:58] <smile> great :)
[09:58] <smile> have you always used Konversation?
[09:58] <Kilos> yeah now i can see who sticks tongue out at me
[09:58] <Kilos> no i prefer xchat but it has no sound on 64bit 12.04
[09:59] <Kilos> only niggle with konversation is that all scroll backs are dulled out after restarting
[10:00] <Kilos> except the smileys that now show
[10:00] <Kilos> haha
[10:00] <Tinuva> konversation is great, but since I am not on a kde desktop anymore...back to hexchat (newer xchat)
[10:01] <smile> lol, Kilos :p
[10:01] <Kilos> Tinuva have you got audio alerts working?
[10:02] <Kilos> i like the bloep sound
[10:02] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[10:02] <Kilos> im running konversation here on unity
[10:05] <smile> I'm leaving
[10:05] <smile> bye
[10:05] <Kilos> toods smile
[10:05] <Kilos> be good
[10:05] <smile> thanks
[10:16] <Tinuva> Kilos, no idea, i dont have sound at work
[10:16] <Kilos> ah
[10:16] <Tinuva> just let it alert me in the system tray
[10:17] <Kilos> ok
[10:20] <Kilos> >.<
[10:49] <Squirm> hello
[10:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:59] <Spekko> Allow me to restore some faith in your humanity: http://www.trueactivist.com/gab_gallery/man-gives-homeless-guy-a-winning-lottery-ticket/
[11:01] <jabberwocky93> does anyone know how to report sms spam?
[11:02] <Kilos> oh ya
[11:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:02] <jabberwocky93> second time today that they want to know if I'm blacklested and in need of a loan :-/
[11:02] <Kilos> you gotta fone the provider i think\
[11:02] <Kilos> and ask them to block that link
[11:03]  * jabberwocky93 thinks he should ask Spekko to write a spam blocker for his phone
[11:03] <Kilos> lol
[11:03] <jabberwocky93> *nudge nudge
[11:04] <jabberwocky93> ;)
[11:08] <Spekko> my phone doesn't spam
[11:23] <Kilos> look at sugarplum and convert it for sms use
[11:24] <Kilos> Spekko ^
[11:47]  * jabberwocky93 thinks about registering spekko's number on some dodge websites >:-O
[11:48] <Kilos> hehe
[11:55]  * Spekko thinks that it wouldn't have been the first time Jabberwocky has pulled a stunt like that
[11:55] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <Kilos> we gotta watch him
[11:56]  * Spekko remember the year of 2010 when my email was spammed by 7 different dating sites..
[11:56]  * Kilos gets the sjambok out
[11:57] <Spekko> daaarsy
[12:02] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[12:14] <nuvolari> dit was nie ek nie oom
[12:14] <nuvolari> belowe!
[13:00] <Private_User> afternoon all
[13:31] <nuvolari> oh hi Private_User
[13:32] <Private_User> hi nuvolari
[13:34] <Kilos> wat wat gedoen hey nuvolari ?
[13:34] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[13:34] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[13:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:47] <Squirm> Almost
[13:47] <Squirm> the
[13:47] <Squirm> end
[13:47]  * Squirm crawls
[13:48] <Kilos> i slept a while so it moved faster
[13:59] <nuvolari> nee ek weet nie oom Kilos, oom wil die sambok uitruk
[14:01] <Kilos> o ja man skuus
[14:01] <Kilos> as daai wocky stoud is
[14:03]  * jabberwocky93 kruip weg
[14:03] <Kilos> haha
[14:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone have experience with these ethernet-over-power adapters?
[14:42] <jabberwocky93> I've used it before
[14:43] <jabberwocky93> I'm more used to power-over-ethernet for all my low powers devices :-)
[14:44] <jabberwocky93> if you have any ham operators living close to you they will flip when you start using eth-over-power
[14:45] <jabberwocky93> it creates a lot of electrical interference, basically turns your house into a big antenna
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> wondering how it works when you have more than 2, does it broadcast like an old school hub? i assume so
[14:47] <jabberwocky93> it's easy for people to sniff your network packets, hence the encryption on the devices
[14:49] <jabberwocky93> personally I've only paired 2 devices, but I don't see why it shouldn't work with more connections
[14:50] <jabberwocky93> and yes it wil transmit the packets over the whole network (to all the plugs), the devices themselves wil have to filter the unwanted packets
[14:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, so practically you don't want too many of them i suppose
[14:52] <jabberwocky93> yeah, using it for a large office setup won't work that well
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> wouldn't use them at an office, period
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> was thinking more in terms of home use
[14:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyway........ it's weekend, byyyyye everybodies!
[14:56] <Kilos> enjoy ThatGraemeGuy
[14:56] <Kilos> see ya monday
[14:57] <inetpro> enjoy the weekend ThatGraemeGuy
[14:57] <jabberwocky93> bye ThatGraemeGuy
[15:07] <Private_User> cheers ThatGraemeGuy
[15:09] <Private_User> lol the only text that's missing here is the one where somebody writes :'( and make sure you write everyday
[15:10] <Private_User> LOL
[15:10] <Private_User> anybody here does development for Androids?
[15:12] <Private_User> hi liamT
[15:23] <liamT> greetings
[15:26] <Kilos> hi liamT
[15:29] <jabberwocky93> bye, enjoy your weekend!
[15:29] <liamT> greetings
[15:29] <jabberwocky93> Private_User: ping spekko on monday about the android dev
[15:29] <Private_User> ok cool thanks
[15:30] <Kilos> he is gone man
[15:30] <Private_User> yeah he left a few seconds after his message
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <Private_User> I am a slow typist
[15:30] <Kilos> me too
[15:30] <Kilos> often get left behind
[15:35] <liamT> go Dvorak and don't look back
[15:36] <Kilos> eeek
[15:38] <liamT> like learning to drive and left and right hand manual car
[15:39] <Kilos> lol
[15:39] <Kilos> i gotta look for keys as it is
[15:40] <liamT> you can buy little stickers for the keyboard
[15:41] <Kilos> no man
[15:41] <Kilos> im just getting used to this one
[15:41] <Kilos> dvorak is for you clever peeps
[15:46] <Kilos> all my stuffs in museums
[15:46] <Kilos> http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/aor_wide_range_monitor_ar_2500.html
[15:46] <Kilos> now where do i get a manual
[15:57] <liamT> hellsbells, good luck, maybe contact the manufacturer, they might have a scanned copy
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <liamT> ciao everyone
[16:05] <Kilos> cheers liamT
[16:05] <Private_User> hey not_found
[16:05] <not_found> Private_User ; alo :)
[16:05] <Private_User> not_found: question always curious as to why you enter and then leave the room change host and then re-enter?
[16:06] <Kilos> hi not_found i found the emoticons in konversation
[16:06] <not_found> ah must be because I am using a webclient and it logs in, then issues my password to chanserv and re-authenticates me.
[16:06] <Kilos> lemme find the link
[16:06] <Private_User> ah ok cool
[16:06] <Kilos> Private_User that happens when you are cloaked
[16:07] <Kilos> http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks
[16:08] <Kilos> not_found save it for when you on kde again
[16:09] <not_found> I do get emoticons in konversation :p
[16:09] <Private_User> thanks Kilos but defeats the purpose of being cloaked since you publish your IP to everyone then change it
[16:09] <not_found> but I do have them on KDE at home :p
[16:11] <Kilos> ah
[16:12] <Kilos> not_found what are these peeps
[16:12] <Kilos> got 4 come online from there today
[16:12] <Kilos> gggzzz.www [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:13]  * not_found needs to test SSH connection from work to outside world.  if someone has an IP I can try to connect to that would be appreciated (I don't need to log in, only get to login screen to test pls)
[16:13] <Kilos> one new one now in ##ubuntu-za-social
[16:13] <not_found> perhaps the NSA is spying on the SA peeps now too
[16:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:16] <Kilos> not_found i gotta find my ip then i can help
[16:34] <Kilos> not_found why you stick tongue out at me
[16:34]  * Kilos gets my knife
[16:35] <not_found> :p
[16:35] <Kilos> lol
[16:35] <Kilos> cheeky
[16:35]  * not_found is always sticking out the tongue
[16:35] <not_found> even on my launchpad account picture :p
[16:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:04] <Private_User> yeah my dog also sticks its tongue out :p
[17:05] <Private_User> LOL
[17:05] <Private_User> :D
[17:06] <not_found> lol
[17:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:31] <not_found> sound like yoda, do you, hmmmm?
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Kilos> i enjoyed those movies
[17:32] <not_found> :)
[17:33] <not_found> always be a starwars fan
[17:33] <Kilos> yeah
[17:40] <Private_User> never actually watched star wars hey
[17:41] <Kilos> wow
[17:41] <Kilos> you missed all the jedi knights
[17:41] <Kilos> anf the wuki thing
[17:42] <not_found> I would recommend watching the first 3 movies... and if you really liked it perhaps you can suffer through the last 3
[17:42] <not_found> then again disney is bringing out new movies so perhaps they will also be watchable
[17:42] <Private_User> ok but come to think of it I am not sure why I never did
[17:42] <superfly> not_found: still need an ip?
[17:43] <not_found> superfly no thanks... got sorted :)
[17:46] <Private_User> good evening charl_
[17:46] <Kilos> hi charl_
[17:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:46]  * not_found will be back later...
[17:46] <Kilos> lets have coffee without him then
[17:46] <Kilos> ok not_found
[17:47] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[17:47]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:47] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee please
[17:47] <Maaz> Private_User: Okay
[17:47] <Private_User> Maaz: largwe
[17:47] <Maaz> Private_User: What?
[17:48] <Private_User> Maaz: large
[17:48] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Private_User
[17:48] <Private_User> :D
[17:48] <Private_User> ta Maaz
[17:48] <Kilos> Maaz larger
[17:48] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Kilos
[17:48] <Private_User> Maaz: largest
[17:48] <Maaz> Whew do you want a bath full Private_User?
[17:48] <Private_User> LOL
[17:49]  * Kilos loves ibids
[17:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Private_User!
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[17:51] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:51] <Private_User> Maaz: thaks
[17:51] <Maaz> Private_User: *blink*
[17:51] <Private_User> Maaz: thanks
[17:51] <Maaz> Private_User: Okay :-)
[17:56] <Private_User> I am not sure what's going on but I internet has not been stable for the past few days and extremely slow
[17:56] <Private_User> anybody else on 3G having the same issue?
[17:57] <Kilos> nope mine is fine
[17:57] <Kilos> you not on 8ta thats why
[17:57] <Kilos> cellcalways sucks
[17:58] <Kilos> they shre towers with voda and when voda gets busy the throttle cellc
[17:58] <Kilos> share
[17:59] <Private_User> ok was thinking the weather had something to do with it
[18:02] <Kilos> actually sites are taking a while to open
[18:02] <Kilos> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[18:02] <Private_User> wonder if they doing load shedding for the towers
[18:02] <Private_User> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> taking forever
[18:04] <Private_User> yeah thats the issue I have been having with many sites
[18:04] <Private_User> and then suddenly they all work fine then back to being slow
[18:04]  * Kilos needs to rock the boat at telkom again
[18:05] <Kilos> i dont mind if they throttle other peeps
[18:05] <Kilos> especially windows users
[18:05] <Kilos> oops
[18:05] <Private_User> Error 524 Ray ID: 1078b4c9056302ff
[18:05] <Private_User> A timeout occurred
[18:06] <Kilos> Maaz is http://blog.freenode.net/ down
[18:06] <Private_User> lol @ Kilos
[18:06] <Private_User> if they throttle windows users then the speed you get will be awsome since majority of the users in ZA are windows users
[18:07] <Kilos> yeah
[18:07]  * Kilos smiles
[18:08] <Kilos> QA leave #ubuntu-za
[18:10] <Kilos> ya that site is down
[18:11] <superfly> Maaz: is blog.freenode.net down?
[18:11] <Maaz> superfly: Yes, http://blog.freenode.net/ is down (Server is not responding)
[18:11] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:12] <Kilos> dunno why he didnt answer me
[18:12] <Private_User> Maaz: why did you not answer Kilos?
[18:12] <Maaz> Private_User: Excuse me?
[18:13] <charl_> hi Kilos
[18:13] <charl_> hi Private_User
[18:14] <charl_> lol sorry i missed coffee
[18:14] <charl_> how's it going with all you awesome people
[18:14] <Kilos> ya we noticed
[18:14] <Private_User> hi charl_
[18:14] <charl_> yeah got a little busy here
[18:14] <charl_> i was playing with manjaro today
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <charl_> i am _extremely_ impressed
[18:14] <charl_> i was slow to bite on to arch but i think i am turning into a convert
[18:15] <charl_> this is much more like linux was supposed to be
[18:17] <Private_User> apparently it supposed to let you understand every in and out of linux system
[18:18] <charl_> not if you use manjaro then it's just as high level as ubuntu
[18:18] <charl_> but if you setup arch from scratch, that is pretty hard core
[18:18] <charl_> but it is extremely well documented
[18:18] <charl_> the wiki is probably much more comprehensive than ubuntu's
[18:27] <Private_User> connectivity seems to be an issue again. Think I am going to liog off for a while and be back later
[18:27] <Private_User> cya later all
[18:28] <charl_> ciao Private_User
[18:29] <Kilos> cheers Private_User
[18:39] <Kilos> i also enjoy the tomorrow people not_found
[18:39] <not_found> eh?
[18:40] <Kilos> the series
[18:40] <Kilos> the tomorrow people
[18:40] <not_found> never seen or heard of
[18:40] <Kilos> google it
[18:40] <Kilos> maybe you can download it somewhere
[18:41] <not_found> oh I am sure I could download it :p
[18:42] <Kilos> its good
[18:42] <Kilos> scifi stuff
[18:43] <not_found> will check it out thanks uncle Kilos
[18:43] <Kilos> np
[19:31] <not_found> *yawn*
[19:31] <Kilos> hehe
[19:34] <Kilos> hi Trixar
[19:34] <Trixar> Hey Kilos
[19:34] <Trixar> Moving PC stuff - so I have to use this for now
[19:35] <Kilos> np
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: /mode #ubuntu-za +r
[19:49] <inetpro> oops
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <inetpro> you see, I can even do it here
[19:50] <Kilos> i see so ya
[19:50] <Kilos> you got ops?
[19:50] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:50] <Kilos> cool
[20:23] <Kilos> wb not_found
[20:23] <Kilos> you havent fallen asleep yet?
[20:23] <not_found> uncle Kilos , thanks... funny to find you up so late :p
[20:24] <Kilos> yeah
[20:24] <Kilos> im swaying on the stool here
[20:24] <Kilos> you tongueing me again
[20:25] <Trixar_> Oo
[20:25] <not_found> always... you only realize it now ;)
[20:25] <not_found> +1 Trixar_
[20:25] <not_found> :p
[20:25] <Kilos> 'lol
[20:25] <Kilos> ja now i see
[20:25] <Trixar_> If it's too often, it becomes common place and people stop noticing
[20:26] <Kilos> haha
[20:27] <Trixar_> I'm physically craving coke (as in the soft drink, not the drug)
[20:27] <Kilos> coke is addictive as well
[20:27] <Trixar_> My sister is here for a month and she makes me feel fat - so I have to eat less and drink water and stuff
[20:27] <Kilos> but very lekker
[20:27] <Trixar_> so I'm physically craving it now
[20:27] <not_found> diet coke :p
[20:27] <Kilos> haha
[20:27] <Kilos> eeek
[20:27] <not_found> or coke zero
[20:27] <not_found> better taste
[20:28] <Kilos> drink fruit juice
[20:28] <Kilos> and ween yourself off coke
[20:28] <Trixar_> It's not so much the sugar as the caffeine
[20:28] <Trixar_> It's dyretic or however you spell it. It helps you lose water weight - but if you take too much of it, it makes you retain it
[20:29] <Trixar_> So you bloat up a bit
[20:29] <Kilos> you wanna lose weight quick
[20:29] <Kilos> eat lots of watermelon and nothing else
[20:29] <Kilos> the more yoy eat the more you lose
[20:30] <Trixar_> True - it's a good source of vitamins and water
[20:30] <Kilos> oh a you can drink water too
[20:30] <Kilos> your body uses more resources to digest it than what it gets out of watermelon
[20:32] <Kilos> coke is very fattening
[20:33] <Trixar_> Yeah, I'm also missing the caffeine - It's like somebody took my battery out in the morning
[20:33] <Trixar_> It's bad for you, but it's so gooooood
[20:33] <Kilos> eish
[20:33] <Kilos> lol
[20:34] <Kilos> coffee
[20:37] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:37]  * Trixar_ sneaks some coke
[20:37] <Trixar_> Night Kilos
[20:37] <Kilos> you naughty
[23:02] <Private_User> evening...or should I say good morning all
[23:02] <Private_User> :D
[23:15] <found_not> depends