[09:49] <apw> smb_tp, i presume the launchpad bug robot only closes bugs listed in the changelog
[09:50] <smb_tp> Only those that have a matching But: # entry there
[09:50] <smb_tp> s/But/Bug/
[09:51] <apw> so any bugs which arn't duplicates bug fixed by the same fixes basically have to be manually handled
[09:52] <smb_tp> yes, that is correct.
[09:52] <apw> cool thanks
[09:53] <smb_tp> We might try for future ones whether comma separated lists work. Never had that before
[09:54] <mne> Hi. Where can I see which patches have been applied to the ubuntu kernel ? Also, is there a way to see the memory segments the kernel is using ?
[10:09] <amitk> mne: in the kernel git tree on kernel.ubuntu.com
[10:12] <mne> thanks
[10:13] <apw> mne what do you mean by 'the memory segments the kernel is using' ?
[10:13] <apw> the kernel generally uses all memory for something
[10:14] <apw> you can see the memory segments for each process in /proc/<pid>/maps, but that isn't the kernels use
[10:14] <mne> well, I'm just playing a bit with kernel runtime patching. And as soon as I write to a valid address, the kernel crashes. I just write one single byte and the byte value is the same than the value that's already on that memory position
[10:15] <apw> crashes with what error?
[10:15] <mne> With the vanilla kernel it works
[10:16] <apw> from what context are you trying to write, what sort of place are you trying to write
[10:17] <mne> it's in entry_32. I'm trying to patch an instruction byte. I'm just rebooting the image so that I can give you the exact error message
[10:17] <amitk> mne: what interface are you using? /dev/kmem ?
[10:18] <mne> My code is inside a kernel module. I'm getting the address through an exported kernel symbol
[10:18] <apw> its entirly possible those code pages are r/o in the MMU, as there is no good reason for them to be writable
[10:19] <mne> is that a difference between the ubuntu and the vanilla kernel ?
[10:19] <apw> by preventing them being writable a vector for attack is made more difficult
[10:20] <apw> i am supprised its not the same in vanilla, but it could be app armour
[10:20] <apw> anyhow, let us know the actual error
[10:20] <mne>  BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at c0104010
[10:20] <mne> I'm pasting the whole message on pastebin
[10:20] <mne> if you want
[10:20] <apw> yep
[10:21] <mne> I'm playing with an old kernel rootkit for security research (I want to know how it works)
[10:22] <mne> http://pastebin.com/m1138ecfb
[10:26] <apw> i assume that that is the write, so it does look like you have written somewhere early in the kernel image and been told NO
[10:26] <mne> so the address is just not writeable ?
[10:27] <mne> The address itself is correct, i have verified that
[10:28] <apw> you have cirtainly hit a protection fault
[10:28] <apw> and if you are writing to the right place, and the address is believeable for the kernel code
[10:29] <apw> then it looks to be protected, which would be my expectation actually
[10:29] <mne> hmm, ok. thanks for helping
[10:29] <mne> Where would I have to look to see which memory regions are protected ?
[10:30] <mne> you said it's inside mmu ?
[10:30] <apw> i would guess app armor has changed the way the kernel protects itself if vanilla is not
[10:30] <apw> the page tables hold the protection information for everything including the kernel
[10:30] <mne> good, I'll have a look there then. thanks
[10:31] <mne> I have to leave for work now, I'll look at it afterwards
[12:15] <tim> hi ... got a slightly off-topic question ... is there an ubuntu package providing the man pages for the kernel routines?
[12:42] <apw> tim manpages-dev perhaps?
[12:45] <tim> apw, unfortunately not ... the only manpages for kernel routines i found, are part of `freebsd-manpages', describing freebsd kernel functions :/
[12:46] <apw> which manpage are you after
[12:47] <tim> kfree ... i found a man page on the net, but would prefer to be able to read them offline
[12:48] <cking> as far as I know there are no kernel API man pages available
[12:50]  * amitk nods
[12:51] <tim> ah, that would explain, why i don't find them ... thanks ...
[12:51] <amitk> the Documentation directory, Linux Device Drivers, and such books are your best bed
[12:51] <amitk> *bet
[12:56]  * apw agrees
[13:03] <cking> or the kernel source :-)
[14:52] <feroz> hello!
[14:53] <GCF> hello feroz (anti vent :p)
[14:53] <feroz> :D
[14:53] <feroz> Anyone is familiar with hid devices here?
[15:04] <fabbione> smb_tp: please pull from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=fabbione/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=summary
[15:05] <fabbione> smb_tp: the only thing is that i was not able to verify if there was an ABI change. It will probably tell you that there is a module or two more
[15:05] <fabbione> smb_tp: let me know if you need anything else
[15:05] <smb_tp> fabbione, ok. That should be ok. More symbols are accepted. Just changes would be bad
[15:07] <fabbione> smb_tp: yeah i know the story... but i don't know if you made your checks stricter than when I first wrote them :)
[15:07] <fabbione> anyway.. only one change in that tree
[15:07] <fabbione> it's on your latest hardy tree as of 10 minutes ago checkout
[15:08] <smb_tp> fabbione, no not stricter. :) Just Ben got annoyed enough with the diff type approach that he changed it to an enhanced perl compare.
[15:09] <fabbione> i can't say on public IRC what's passing through my mind :)
[15:09] <fabbione> Ben is a ***** developer :P
[15:09] <fabbione> just because I have been friend with ben for way too long ;)
[15:10] <smb_tp> heh. :) Guess I have to ask him next week :)
[15:10] <fabbione> ahah sure
[15:10] <fabbione> i am off
[15:10] <fabbione> have fun
[15:10] <smb_tp> thanks, u2
[16:21] <mne_> Hi, how can I change a kernel page protection entry ? there is change_protection, but the symbol is not exported
[16:44] <apw> they are probabally hinting that should shouldn't be doing that
[21:43] <sconklin> is there anything I should know before I dive into several quickcam driver bugs?
[21:44] <cking> sconklin: I suspect you will find out
[21:46] <sconklin> haha. yeah.
[21:48] <sconklin> there are some comments in some bugs that make me think maybe we're already carrying some patches that aren't upstream, that's the first thing I'll go investigate
[21:51] <cking> sconklin: what's the probs with the quickcam driver?  The issues I've seen are usually weird frame offset / geometry problems which need tweaking for different variants of the hardware
[21:55] <sconklin> there are various problems, differing slightly with model number. One "doesn't work" when plugged in, but some workarounds get it to work with funky video. Another doesn't have hal detect it as v4l capable.
[21:55] <sconklin> The bug numbers I'm looking at are:
[21:56] <sconklin> bug 196811 bug 22070 bug 134285
[22:01] <cking> the slightly different model number can be subtle - sometimes the chipset is completely different - the pressure for cost reduction means that chipsets can radically change between model numbers
[22:02] <sconklin> yeah, I was aware of that, thanks. I've dealt with wireless adapters that are packaged identically but have different chipsets and identifiers.
[22:03] <cking> ..yeah - these kind of fun issues just to keep us on our toes!
[22:03]  * cking wonders if he can fit one more build in before the day is done
[22:09]  * sconklin knows he can't
[22:13] <cking> depends on how long one's day is really :-)
[22:15] <sconklin> tonight we have a band parents supper, so no working late for me
[22:17] <cking> good plan.
[22:17]  * cking bailing out - build done, test failed, respin another day


[02:11] <inetpro> .
[07:06] <chesedo-> morning inetpro
[07:06]  * chesedo- chesedo
[07:07]  * chesedo using the wrong commands... must be out of practise
[08:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:34] <sinini> ?


[01:49] <the4ndy> Hey, so I added a second NIC to my Xubuntu machine and it works fine, but whenever i plug anything into the second NIC (or anytime anything network wise changes on that NIC) the OS defaults to that as the "main" connection
[01:50] <the4ndy> this is very very annoying as i typically use that second NIC for things that are NOT connected to the internet (ie configuring new network devices)
[01:51] <the4ndy> can anyone point me in the right direction to either forcing the OS to ALWAYS default to eth0 or a way to at least manually adjust the default network connection
[04:14] <xubuntu59w> Hey guys, I'm having some issues with 15.10 and what seems to be compositing crashing. I've done some basic troubleshooting, but I was wondering if anyone could help me pinpoint what's going on.
[04:17] <svetlana> what have you got so far?
[04:18] <xubuntu59w> I haven't pulled any logs yet, but so far I've run through the gamut of *ubuntu systems to see if that was it, tried 3 different graphics cards, the onboard video for my mobo. Tried all proprietary and non drivers
[04:18] <xubuntu59w> Tried changing the compositor
[04:19] <xubuntu59w> I can get compositing to function correctly by switching to a VT and back to VT7
[04:20] <xubuntu59w> Also of note, I installed both openSUSE tumbleweed and Arch with XFCE and the same thing was happening
[04:20] <xubuntu59w> It's pretty perplexing to say the least.
[04:20] <svetlana> what are the symptoms when it looks/behaves "wrong"?
[04:21] <xubuntu59w> I'm unable to switch from the window I have open, or if I haven't opened anything yet I can only open the XFCE menu or applets.
[04:24] <svetlana> but you can stil click things in the open window right?
[04:25] <xubuntu59w> Yes I can
[04:26] <xubuntu59w> So say I open firefox, I can browse and use it normally, but I'm unable to move the window around or acess the XFCE menu.
[04:27] <svetlana> ok, please wait here for a while. I will look for a way to troubleshoot this, but it's not a familiar issue to me, and it would be useful to wait for someone more knowledgeable to appear in the chat.
[04:28] <xubuntu59w> Sounds good, thank you
[05:56] <rangergord> Hi. How can I change the default action for executable files when using the file manager? I'd like a double-click to open the file in an editor, rather than execute
[05:57] <rangergord> getting burned since that's not the behavior on Ubuntu : )
[06:15] <krytarik> rangergord: That behavior was changed in version 1.6.6 of Thunar - Xfce bug 7596.
[06:51] <rangergord> krytarik: ok, thanks...guess I'll wait for Xubuntu 16.04
[12:03] <xubuntu06i> hi
[16:49] <DanielX> Hi all
[16:50] <DanielX> on a fresh install of Xubuntu 15.10 I have no sound
[16:50] <DanielX> it's an old LG laptop that had sound with windows 7 on it
[16:50] <DanielX> inxi says the audio card is Intel NM10/ICH7
[16:51] <DanielX> alsamixer opens without error
[16:52] <DanielX> and nothing is muted
[17:05] <DanielX> this fix worked
[17:05] <DanielX> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html
[17:23] <xubuntu42w> alguien habla español??
[21:24] <SHD> When you apparently have so little space that you can't delete things... what do you do? An upgrade botched due to not enough space, and now I can't remove old kernels to free space. Or remove anything for that matter.
[21:25] <GeekDude> SHD, Can't delete or can't move to trash?
[21:26] <SHD> all removals fail due to, I think, "gzip: stdout: No Space left on device"
[21:27] <SHD> When you apparently have so little space that you can't delete things... what do you do? An upgrade botched due to not enough space, and now I can't remove old kernels to free space. Or remove anything for that matter.
[21:28] <SHD> Tried removing small, unneeded things through ubuntu software center, had the same problem.
[21:29] <GeekDude> I would probably just stick my bootable drive into it and work off there, though I suppose not everyone has bootable media prepared in advance
[21:30] <SHD> So doing it from a live OS might get past this issue?
[21:32] <GeekDude> Definitely
[21:33] <SHD> I'm not sure why I didn't think of that. I will try now.
[21:38] <GeekDude> You'd probably want to use the live os to move nonessential files/documents/media from the system to somewhere else (or just delete it outright if it's unimportant)
[22:09] <SHD> still getting the no space left on device error. I think I am going to have to just jump ship while I still have hair to tear out.
[22:10] <flocculant> SHD: have you tried apt-get autoremove yet?
[22:10] <flocculant> apt-get autoclean?
[22:10] <flocculant> apt-get clean?
[22:11] <SHD> every time, the gzip no space left error
[22:12] <SHD> That one cannot delete something because there's not enough space seems counterintuitive.
[22:12] <flocculant> the last two probably first - in that order, will clear first old .debs, then all .debs from the cache
[22:13] <flocculant> and did this all suddenly happen because you had a kernel update?
[22:14] <SHD> Yes. From what I understand, I tried to update when there was not enough space.
[22:14] <flocculant> ok - so try the apt-get autoclean or clean
[22:14] <flocculant> then autoremove - that should clear out some old kernels
[22:15] <flocculant> then you should be in a position to try and finish upgrading kernels
[22:15] <flocculant> SHD: lvm or encrypted install?
[22:16] <SHD> gzip: stdout: No space left on device , E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1
[22:16] <SHD> lvm
[22:16] <flocculant> right - /boot gets set ot 256Mb or something - then fills up
[22:17] <flocculant> SHD: you get that with autoclean or clean?
[22:17] <SHD> autoclean, dpkg --remove, and apt-get purge
[22:17] <flocculant> and is this from recovery - or just booted as far as it can?
[22:18] <SHD> It is from the last working kernel, as well as chroot from live media
[22:18] <flocculant> not sure about chroot - rarely use them - not enough to help you out :)
[22:19] <flocculant> try from recovery root terminal, you'll need to make sure to mount first with mount -o remount,rw /
[22:20] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/345588/what-is-the-safest-way-to-clean-up-boot-partition
[22:20] <GeekDude> SHD, the point of the live media was so you can remove files from the mounted drive while not trying to run the system off the drive. chrooting to the drive kind of negates that advantage
[22:20] <flocculant> assuming that if you df -h you see /boot as full
[22:21] <flocculant> GeekDude: if /boot is full then you could remove /home and it would still fail to complete the install afaik
[22:21] <GeekDude> although if it's the boot partition that's full, I have no idea
[22:24] <flocculant> GeekDude: I only know because I read other people's issues, not doing lvm/encrypted myself
[22:26] <GeekDude> LVM sounds like a useful tool, though I never use it since it's unchecked by default in the system setup
[22:27] <flocculant> I never use it because I spend my life in dev version and we don't test it :D
[22:39] <SHD> Well, I had to move this off the VM onto a physical machine anyway. Thanks for the help guys, I think I'm going to go have a pint and nuke it when I come back.
[22:40] <flocculant> oh
[22:41] <flocculant> didn't see VM in the backlog ...
[22:41] <flocculant> I'd have just resized things
[22:43] <flocculant> I can understand the sentiment in the last sentence though


[00:45] <mlasala> hi, I just installed ubuntu in my Nexus 4 and now I wanna restore my Android backup (backup.ab) but I can't. I restart the device in recovery mode and from my ubuntu laptop y put the command "adb restore backup.ab" and this message appears: "Now unlock your device and confirm the restore operation." but in the phone I can't see any message
[00:46] <mlasala> anyone knows how to correcty restore the backup.ab file?
[00:52] <RobbyF> I might have the command
[00:52] <RobbyF> one sec
[00:53] <RobbyF> adb restore backup.ab
[00:53] <RobbyF> should work
[00:53] <RobbyF> or adb backup -apk -shared -all
[01:03] <ry_> Anyone have any docs on removing all the pre-populated data? or is there a build that leaves this out?
[01:04] <popey> ry_: what data?
[01:04] <ry_> All the preloaded contacts, text messages, call logs, etc
[01:04] <popey> thats an old build if you have all that
[01:05] <popey> we haven't had pre-installed data for some time now
[01:06] <ry_> Ah wow, not sure how I ended up with such an old build..Thanks much popey
[01:09] <mlasala> well, finally i did it but first i had to restore the factory image
[01:51] <Maclaren> how can i installthe latest ubuntu touch?
[02:15] <sr20dett> I think the problem with the sdk not working until you resize, Is an issue with the size of components inside the app like the buttons and in my apps case the text field.
[02:15] <sr20dett> I made a text field longer and it turned transparent/unusable until I would resize the app
[02:16] <sr20dett> i changed the size back and it worked fine again I tried to change this in the SDKs Simple Touch UI but nothing I adjusted there changed anything
[02:17] <sr20dett> I still think this could partly be where the problem resides
[02:18] <sr20dett> If this was a listed bug where would I find it....in launchpad?
[02:46] <Maclaren> how come adb packages are not avaliable
[04:32] <sr20dett> how do i add the #include <qurlquery> class to my app in the sdk
[04:33] <sr20dett> i want to replace two variables in a url and have it open that url
[04:36] <sr20dett> or qstring
[04:36] <sr20dett> that would work to
[04:44] <rigved> good morning
[04:46] <rigved> with android 4.4. not coming to my galaxy nexus :( , i guess it's time to upgrade to Ubuntu Touch!
[04:48] <rigved> is Ubuntu Touch now based on trusty?
[04:50] <sr20dett> hello?
[04:51] <sr20dett> can you guys see my posts?
[04:53] <rigved> sr20dett: yes, your messages can be seen...but none of the touch devs are awake yet...so, wait around for an hour or two on the channel for them to come online...
[04:54] <sr20dett> sorry new client im getting used to......tried another room as well
[04:54] <sr20dett> haha thanks ill try periodically
[05:17] <AlanO> I have a Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Touch 14.04 build 5, the last update was on 10/25/13. I somehow managed to disabled the ability to do OTA, nor can I connect to the device via USB and ADB. Any ideas how to restore this functionality?
[05:39] <Home_> Is there support for the new 2013 nexus 7 32 gig Wi-Fi edition? phablet-flash lists the device as flo and it fails to work.
[05:42] <Home_> when using the command phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup
[06:56] <successus> salud
[07:27] <nhaines> Yay, I just published my first webapp.  I'm a mobile developer now.  I'm trippling my consulting rates.
[07:27] <nhaines> Home_: 2013 Nexus 7 is not supported at all, sorry.  :(
[08:10] <den4ik> hello world
[08:23] <den4ik> do i have to have dual core? i want to make ubuntu for Nexus S 3g
[08:29] <mikeeee> lg g2 get ubuntu touch?
[10:29] <inhies> is there a way to dual boot so i dont lose my android setup on my nexus 4?
[11:11] <popey> inhies: there may be, but we don't support that
[11:11] <popey> because we dont test that scenario
[11:16] <LLKCKfan> My friend who showers twice a day and use Secret clinic strenght is telling me that her underarms still smell bad. Is there anything she can wash besides soap and water with that will help the smell disappear? I do not want to know what caused it as I do not care. And cannot change her diet.
[11:32] <popey> LLKCKfan: pretty much 100% offtopic for this channel
[11:35] <lazowik> popey: it's a hacker trying to take over the channel!
[11:36] <LLKCKfan> Not a hacker
[11:36] <lazowik> :(
[11:37] <lazowik> LLKCKfan: now, being serious, it's a channel about OS for smartphones and tablets
[11:38] <LLKCKfan> Does any1  know how to keep a wifi connection connect to an android?
[11:39] <lazowik> LLKCKfan: and OS being ubuntu, not android ;)
[12:01] <l4serb0y> hey all
[12:01] <popey> yo
[12:01] <l4serb0y> can I as a normal consumer install ubuntu on my phone
[12:02] <l4serb0y> I'm thinking of trying but it says on the page that it's just for developers and industry partners only
[12:28] <Jey0xBEAF> Hello all !
[12:30] <Jey0xBEAF> Someone can tell me the process to solve the issue related to the /var/lib/dpkg/lock please ?
[12:30] <Jey0xBEAF> I know we can solve this by enter a command on the PC shell side when the phone is connected to it with usb cable
[14:51] <zastaph> is Ubuntu Touch the Ubuntu phone OS, and/or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch for Desktop Ubuntu ?
[14:58] <Home_> nhaines: thanks for letting me know, which one of the 2012 nexus 7's are more supported 16g or 32g wifi?
[14:59] <iBelieve> zastaph: Right now, Ubuntu Touch is for phones and tablets, but it will be used as the basis for the new desktop version, coming in 14.10.
[15:02] <zastaph> iBelieve, ok, that's some time ahead.. There's so many nice Touch & Type laptops on the market now, but hard to find any hardware compatibility info on them.
[15:03] <iBelieve> zastaph: the current ubuntu desktop version might support touch screens, but I don't know if that works and if so, how well.
[15:04] <zastaph> yes i saw a daily build of 13.04 that ran well on an All-in-one. I would like one of Acer's Touch & Type laptops, if I could just get any sort of approval they would be compatible
[15:05] <doflah> I'm running 13.10 on an Asus zenbook - the OS itself supports multitouch pretty well but then it becomes a question of application support
[15:06] <doflah> I don't think either firefox or chrome support multitouch on linux yet
[15:06] <zastaph> doflah, zenbook comes in so many variations
[15:08] <zastaph> aspire R7 I would buy if it would work flawless (Ubuntu, not applications)
[15:11] <doflah> yeah, I was just trying to support iBelieve's point that touch is already in the OS, you don't necessarily need to wait for 14.10
[15:22] <xnox> doflah: only on armhf. not available on amd64/i386 properly.
[15:31] <doflah> xnox, what's only on armhf?
[15:32] <xnox> doflah: Ubuntu Touch.
[15:32] <doflah> oh, I was talking about touch as an input method, not Touch-with-a-capital-T
[15:40] <xnox> oh
[15:40] <xnox> ok =)
[17:41] <Home_> is the nexus 7 2012 16gig and 32 gig wi-fi editions equally well supported or should I lean towards 16 gig?
[17:58] <a_muva_> how to open 2 terminals?
[18:07]  * ogra_ doubts that is possible
[18:11] <popey> we did talk about maybe enabling tabs for the terminal
[18:11] <popey> might be a good goal for this cycle
[18:20] <ogra_> soo ... i wrote a kind of poor mans ebook reader for my pdf ebooks ... (converting them in advance to html, using a browser view in the app) ...
[18:21] <ogra_> while i was able to solve all issues (no autorotation, save the page number so it starts where i left it etc) ... the one thing i cant get fixed is to avoid the screen to turn off when my app is focused :(
[18:21]  * ogra_ wonders if there is any QML access to qtpowerd yet
[18:25] <daker> there is a plugin for the music-app
[18:26] <ogra_> but that offers just a background service, no  ?
[18:26] <ogra_> i only want to inhibit screen suspend while my app is focused
[18:27] <daker> i think yes (bg service)
[18:27] <ogra_> (since it is annoying if your scren turns off while reading a book)
[18:29] <ogra_> (and actually only the automatic timeout ... would be good if the power button can still override)
[18:29] <ogra_> i wonder how the mediaplayer does it
[18:31] <daker> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml#L25
[18:31] <daker> and https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml#L570
[18:34]  * ogra_ hugs daker
[18:35] <daker> and the plugin is in the ppa i think
[18:36] <daker> ogra_: here is what mhall119_ told me
[18:36] <daker> 16:41:41 <mhall119> it's a hack that was made just for the music app, since the mediaplayer service wasn't going to be ready in time for the 13.10 release
[18:36] <daker> 16:41:50 <mhall119> and I think apps need to be white-listed to use it
[18:36] <daker> 16:42:26 <daker> and if they will use the mediaplayer service, the music will keep playing ?
[18:36] <daker> 16:43:13 <mhall119> yeah, the service will keep playing the music/stream even when the app's process is suspended
[18:37] <ogra_> yeah, that wont have any effect on the screen though
[18:37] <ogra_> it will just keep the app alive in bg
[18:45] <ogra_> a-ha !
[18:45] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtpowerd/trunk/view/head:/QtPowerd.h
[18:46] <ogra_> Q_PROPERTY(bool keepDisplayOn READ keepDisplayOn WRITE setDisplayOn NOTIFY keepDisplayOnChanged)
[18:46] <ogra_> that smells liek it
[18:46] <ogra_> *like
[19:03] <Home_> does phablet work just aswell on 2012 nexus 16 gig as 32 gig? I saw there were some issues with 32 gig earlier.
[19:16] <popey> Home_: i dont think there's any difference
[19:22] <Home_> are you sure because I read in many places that the memory is in different locations and caused problems on the install. Not sure how well documented or updated the 32 gig version is
[19:24] <Home_> I want the 32 gig, but I also want to ensure that I wont have issues on install
[19:31] <ogra_> Home_, the old N7 should be fine, though i think there were issues with the 3G version
[19:31] <ogra_> (size shouldnt cause any probs)
[19:34] <Home_> Ok thank you ogra i'll avoid the 3g and get the 32 gig wifi
[19:45] <den4ik> hello world. how to set up breakfast command?
[19:53] <cwayne> mhall119, just wanted to say thanks for writing all the logic for 'drag up to reload a listview'  just took it from uReadit for my fitbit app, worked like a champ :D
[21:57] <successus> salud
[22:10] <sr20dett> Hello I have been trying to use Qstring to change up two variables inside a url and I'm not sure how to even include the class of Qstring let alone use it. The Qt site has many things on it about Qstring but where can i find some examples or source code of useing Qstring with variables inside a url
[22:12] <kostkon> sr20dett, better ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:12] <sr20dett> thank you


[04:36] <mup> Bug #2028865 changed: Install MAAS in charm-deployment-guide <deployment-guide> <OpenStack Charms Deployment Guide:Expired> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028865>


[05:44] <tomreyn> dropheaders: things will be different startinng 20.04 LTS: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-lts-survey/13616 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-installer-plans-for-20-04-lts/13631
[05:45] <tomreyn> err not the survey link but this one https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-review-design-for-automated-server-installs/11923
[06:29] <dropheaders> oh nice
[06:29] <dropheaders> thank you
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:40] <yildizabdullah> I use Ubuntu Server (18.04.3 LTS)
[10:40] <yildizabdullah> I cannot access gnome-terminal via VNC session
[10:41] <yildizabdullah> There is an error as "Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached"
[10:41] <yildizabdullah> in VNC log file
[10:41] <yildizabdullah> My VNC xstartup file includes
[10:41] <yildizabdullah> gnome-panel &gnome-settings-daemon &metacity &nautilus &
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> sorry
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> gnome-panel &
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> gnome-settings-daemon &
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> metacity &
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> nautilus &
[10:42] <yildizabdullah> I also get the following error when I start my VNC session
[10:43] <yildizabdullah> gnome-settings-daemon: command not found
[10:43] <yildizabdullah> I've already installed gnome-settings-daemon
[10:43] <yildizabdullah> How can I fix this?
[10:43] <weedmic> yildizabdullah: is the server setup to:  allow vnc connections, does the connector have an account on the server, does the server have gnome installed, there are a lot of possible problems.  can you connect with the same user via ssh?  if yes, that would narrow some things down.
[10:44] <yildizabdullah> It was working yesterday
[10:44] <yildizabdullah> Yes, I can connect to the machine via SSH
[10:46] <weedmic> same user via ssh, but not vnc?  and it worked same user yesterday?  sounds like you may need to restart the VNC daemon on the server - but this is untrue if others can use VNC, then it sounds like an rights issue.
[10:46] <yildizabdullah> I can open a VNC session, see my Desktop and access the filesystem from file explorer menu
[10:47] <yildizabdullah> How can I post my log file here?
[10:47] <yildizabdullah> Is there an easy way
[10:47] <weedmic> so you see a "terminal" when you connect, if yes, did you try "startx" to get the desktop environment to start
[10:48] <yildizabdullah> No,
[10:48] <yildizabdullah> there is no terminal menu
[10:48] <weedmic> then what did you mean by "my Desktop and access the filesystem" "Desktop"?
[10:49] <yildizabdullah> sorry for misunderstanding
[10:49] <yildizabdullah> I can see my Desktop
[10:49] <yildizabdullah> and open emacs, gvim, etc.
[10:49] <weedmic> what do you mean by "Desktop"?
[10:50] <yildizabdullah> I see a toolbar at the top of the screen which only shows Applications and Places
[10:50] <weedmic> do you mean that you do reach the server and gnome is working and that is what you mean by "desktop" - that you see gnome?
[10:50] <yildizabdullah> I only see these two menu items
[10:51] <weedmic> so gnome is working on remote server, but you are missing two "menu items" or "icons" - and they were there yesterday?  if yes, which two items?
[10:53] <yildizabdullah> https://i.stack.imgur.com/S8feZ.png
[10:53] <yildizabdullah> This is a screenshot of my screen
[10:55] <weedmic> interesting, looks like "x" loads, but not the desktop environment.  is this remote server a VM?
[10:56] <yildizabdullah> It is a VM and runs on top VMware vSphere
[10:56] <weedmic> It may go away by rebooting the VM.  I have only seen this on VM servers running on windoze hosts.
[10:57] <yildizabdullah> I tried rebooting VM dozens of times
[10:58] <yildizabdullah> https://pasteboard.co/IS2TG3U.png
[10:58] <yildizabdullah> This is the VNC log file
[10:58] <weedmic> interesting - try #vbox (if it is virtualbox) - ppl there are pretty good at this.  I know nothing of windows and have not used it in aeons.  To me I believe you have a problem with the VM.
[10:59] <yildizabdullah> OK thanks
[11:01] <[fre]> Hello Guys, tomreyn, ... ;)
[11:01] <weedmic> #vbox may be able to help you fix the VM - or at least help you prove it either is or is not the VM.
[11:04] <[fre]> After checking the md5sum of the ISO-live-server 18.4.3... it seems I have the good download of a not booting VM.
[11:04] <[fre]> The ISO keeps booting with a kernel panick, unable to unpack the initramfs.
[11:04] <[fre]> on VMware that is.
[11:06] <weedmic> when installing the media on the VM - did you pick the right environment / and simulated HW?
[11:27] <[fre]> most probably, yes. :) It's pretty basic... I'll verify after noon. Just wondering what else I could have chosen that may block it.
[11:32] <lordievader> [fre]: How is the ISO presented in the VM?
[11:35] <weedmic> with this, the temperature of "what" is being measured/reported (by sensors)?  https://pastebin.com/GVni4J9u
[11:37] <tomreyn> cpu cores, or i'm not getting the question right.
[12:14] <weedmic> I also thought it was the CPUs, but that isa adapter thing threw me off.  I also don't get why it only counts some, there are 20 cores 40 threads, but I just figured they did not all have sensors.  tomreyn
[15:54] <weedmic> If I were to delete ~/.cache/, and there is a directory in there called "systemsettings", I should lose all my icon placements, and other systemsettings? or is it just some temporary cache data that is really unimporant as those sets are saved in a .conf file?
[15:56] <weedmic> delete not the directory, but the contents and subdirectories under .cashe/ - i was unclear
[16:45] <lordievader> Cache should be cache. If the programmer respected that is something else. A safe way of testing this is renaming/moving the folder.
[17:05] <[fre]> lordievader, tomreyn. It was caused by a machine that had been created with too small RAM. :) Ramdisk wasn't entirely extractable in RAM. (seems 256M is not enough these times :D ).
[17:39] <tomreyn> [fre]: thanks for reporting back, and yes, your systems and VMs should comply with the documented minimum requirements. ;)
[17:45] <sdeziel> 256M is a bit cramped indeed but if you use the -virtual kernel, IIRC that was still bootable
[17:46] <sdeziel> [fre]: I have a small Bionic VM with 232MB assigned, runs decently OK ;)
[17:47] <sdeziel> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TvNR4MRd6j/ nginx is super light in RAM ;)


[19:16] <mike00> hi appdevs. I wnat to set a screensaver in my qmake app to keep the screen on. Do I have to import "QtSystemInfo" ?
[19:17] <mike00> Because I get " module "QtSystemInfo" is not installed " ... :(
[19:53] <mike00> appdevs. How can I install new modules like U1db? I want to use U1db or ScreenSaver but I don't have the module...
[20:24] <mike00> no appdevs can help me?
[20:27] <popey> mike00: it's late on a sunday, not many people about
[20:27] <popey> ask again during the working EU/US week
[20:27] <mike00> ok thanks popey


[05:01] <Kilos> o/
[08:58] <gaurav> Kilos: o/
[10:20] <Kilos> hi gaurav
[13:55] <RajRajRaj> gaurav: Kilos hi
[13:56] <Kilos> hi RajRajRaj
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Kilos: i want to make living from Ubuntu
[13:56] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: gaurav Kilos hai hai
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Is it possible
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: hi there
[13:56] <Kilos> what
[13:56] <RajRajRaj> Earn money from ubuntu
[13:56] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: yes, very much possible
[13:57] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: how
[13:57] <Kilos> you can by doing installations and maintenance on ubuntu pcs
[13:57] <Kilos> sell your knowledge not ubuntu
[13:57]  * pavlushka leaves the floor to Kilos now
[13:57] <Kilos> sell your time
[13:57] <Kilos> no pavlushka jump in
[13:57] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and you can do it using Ubuntu
[13:58] <RajRajRaj> Installation :(
[13:58] <Kilos> dont forget im out in the bush
[13:59] <RajRajRaj> I want to do some dev work
[14:00] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: in that case you have to get involved with Ubuntu first
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Get involved as in?
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Join ubuntu community?
[14:00] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and check for how to be a developer Ubuntu member
[14:00] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:01] <RajRajRaj> Do they earn money from it. I thought they do it for hobby
[14:01] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and try to get recruited by canonical, that's a job.
[14:02] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:03] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: go to canonical.com and look for careers
[14:05] <RajRajRaj> Checking thanks pavlushka
[14:05] <RajRajRaj> :)
[14:14] <Kilos> sorry power went off
[14:15] <Kilos> RajRajRaj you can also do online repairs of peoples pcs using remote desktop or teamviewer
[14:15] <Kilos> how you charge is your business
[14:16] <RajRajRaj> Kilos:my business?
[14:17] <Kilos> you cant sell ubuntu as such but can sell pcs with ubuntu on
[14:17] <Kilos> yes you decide how you want to charge them
[14:17] <Kilos> per hour or per job etc
[14:21] <RajRajRaj> Oh
[14:22] <RajRajRaj> I want to make Ubuntu as good as windows
[14:22] <RajRajRaj> Or even better
[14:22] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: in some cases, Ubuntu is better than Windows but not all :)
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> I know
[14:23] <pavlushka> not in all cases
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> I thought i should join Apple
[14:23] <RajRajRaj> But again some says shit culture
[14:23] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: aha, and what's your thought now?
[14:23] <Kilos> i agree pavlushka its far better than windows
[14:31] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: to my knowledge, Windows has the +1 on proprietary market and and has the most device vendor's support, that the dev of the vendors or devs hired by vendors develops windows based backends and frontends
[14:32] <pavlushka> but that is rarely true for Linux
[14:32] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: the problem is
[14:32] <pavlushka> may be because of the larger market share
[14:33] <pavlushka> but the scenario is changing
[14:33] <RajRajRaj> No one likes ubuntu when it comes to commercial business in India tbh. Sorry. Why. First you think
[14:36] <pavlushka> Ubuntu's greatly designed for end-users/home users and it has its other variants for even low end pcs and has some other variants for business oriented uses as well.
[14:36] <pavlushka> *Ubuntu's/ Ubuntu is
[14:39] <pavlushka> may be Ubuntu has not gained that much impression on commercial use in India as a fact
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> pavlushka: ubuntu is tough
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: but it depends on what openstack or other commercial Ubuntu/Canonical venture really offers
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> India has poor people everywhere
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: really?
[14:41] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and?
[14:41] <RajRajRaj> And rich people prefer paid products
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> So
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> Now think
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> When u install ubuntu
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> It bugs you with install updates n upgrades
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> People see it n freak out
[14:42] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that's not necessary
[14:42] <RajRajRaj> Says who
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> Ubuntu keeps bugging
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> In order to install anything. First update or upgrade bug
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> See
[14:43] <RajRajRaj> Every single mb is costly to poor people in here
[14:44] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: you can only install the update of a program if the previous version is buggy, otherwise you can choose not to
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> -_-
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> Try to understand the drawbacks
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> And people's mentality
[14:45] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj:and the day to day purpose apps on Ubuntu are not likely buggy
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> I n u can understand all this
[14:45] <RajRajRaj> Not someone who lives in village
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Do you know people still use xp
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Without any problem
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> Try using ubuntu 12
[14:46] <RajRajRaj> -_-
[14:47] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: I can add a point, Africa is rough, Ubuntu thrived there.
[14:48] <pavlushka> No RajRajRaj , they are not using XP without any problem, I know that for sure from my real life experience :)
[14:48] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: and why would some one try to use Ubuntu 12 now?
[14:49] <RajRajRaj> Yesterday i saw a person having xp on his 10 pcs
[14:49] <RajRajRaj> In his shop
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> All on
[14:50] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: may be you need some more volunteers for Ubuntu to give away free setups and maintenance
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> I want ubuntu to be bug free
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> Anf stable
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> Not like the way it is
[14:50] <RajRajRaj> More than that
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Enough software support
[14:51] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: name some bugs that you experience
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Easy processing
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Screen flicking
[14:51] <RajRajRaj> Getting stuck on using eclipse
[14:51] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: windows has many zero day vulnerabilities
[14:52] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that you'll only know after getting hooked by those vulnerabilities
[14:52] <RajRajRaj> People in here knows ubunty as something for geeks
[14:52] <RajRajRaj> I asked a person why don't u have Ubuntu
[14:53] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: that's the basic misinformation
[14:53] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: its the best User friendly and community supported Linux Distro to date.
[14:54] <RajRajRaj> He said his business is more important than learning shit. He just wants music system n audacity on his pc. He never shuts does his system. It old as hell n has earned him plenty of money
[14:55] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: you give him Ubuntu and help him in the maintenance, his view will change, my sis and of some more peoples view changed about Ubuntu after meeting me :p
[14:55] <RajRajRaj> Anyways
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Let me try for canonicals
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Probably they will understand what i mean
[14:56] <RajRajRaj> Thanks
[14:57] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: He doesn't need to learn much for Ubuntu, the amount of knowledge he has on Windows, if he started with Ubuntu and you ask him about Windows, you would have got the same answer about windows from him.
[14:58] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: He just dont want to bother himself using a different system other than the one that already is running, there's nothing much you can do
[14:59] <pavlushka> He just dont want to learn anything new, that's the point and that does not mean Ubuntu is hard.
[14:59] <pavlushka> *mean/implies
[15:02] <pavlushka> RajRajRaj: It's like I already know Hindi language that I can speak to, I don't want to learn Urdu as Hindi already works for me.
[15:02] <pavlushka> or for instance Spanish/French
[15:03] <pavlushka> or Marathi


[19:33] <sarnold> hey hwpplayer1 :)
[19:34] <hwpplayer1> hi sarnold
[19:34] <hwpplayer1> maybe it is good to chat here
[19:34] <hwpplayer1> other friends can join the discussion
[19:34] <sarnold> yeah, that way others can learn too, to ask questions, or answer questions :)
[19:34] <sarnold> hwpplayer1: depending upon what you want to do there's a lot of different ways to contribute
[19:34] <hwpplayer1> how to contribute to the team and community of Ubuntu/Debian
[19:35] <hwpplayer1> okay
[19:35] <hwpplayer1> Finding bugs in source code ?
[19:35] <hwpplayer1> Reading the source code
[19:35] <hwpplayer1> reverse engineering for Free Software/Open Source?
[19:35] <hwpplayer1> malware analysis
[19:37] <hwpplayer1> How does Debian makes a base for Ubuntu or How does Canonical gets a base from Debian ?
[19:37] <sarnold> there's probably not much need for malware analsys
[19:38] <sarnold> I'm sure there's security vendors like kaspersky or panda or mcafee or similar where that's a very pressing need :) but it wouldn't really help out debian or ubuntu
[19:38] <hwpplayer1> As I remember you work in Canonical sarnold
[19:38] <sarnold> ubuntu runs services to import packages from debian unstable
[19:38] <sarnold> those packages are imported into the development release of ubuntu
[19:39] <sarnold> we stopped importing packages from debian last week https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-release-schedule/34989 "debian import freeze"
[19:39] <hwpplayer1> are you talking about Ubuntu daily images ( as far as I remember there should be something like that )
[19:40] <sarnold> there are daily images, but they're built for all our releases
[19:40] <sarnold> the debian imports are only to the development release
[19:41] <sarnold> so it's a bit interesting that uploads to debian unstable can be released in ubuntu before they are released in debian
[19:41] <sarnold> it's usually not a problem, and the users that use our interim releases give feedback on what works and what doesn't work, way more than people use debian unstable
[19:42] <hwpplayer1> understood
[19:45] <hwpplayer1> Maybe I should pick a project for my interest
[19:45] <hwpplayer1> And jump into its development
[19:45] <hwpplayer1> Like Emacs :)
[19:47] <sarnold> it usually is best it you find a project that you're already using and enjoy, yes :)
[20:37] <hwpplayer1> sarnold: have a great day
[20:37] <hwpplayer1> talk to you later take care bye


[04:37] <OvenWerks> just bask... lost power to a wind storm for almost 11 hours.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> will find out tomorrow if any of my files are not as they should be
[10:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "just bask... lost power to a win"> Are you safe?
[15:01] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: we are fine. Farther south they would have called it a hurricane (just barely) but we are in a bit of a protected valley. There was just a lot of power fails and ours was one of the smaller ones so they got to it last.


[13:56] <SharkWoof> i need to add stuff to a powerpoint but somehow libre office seems to open it in full-screen i dont know why but the powerpoint was made in 2003 powerpoin
[14:02] <zmoylan> f11 or esc to unfullscreen?
[14:03] <SharkWoof> i hit esc but she closes on me
[14:04] <SharkWoof> i sound like a noob but i used ubuntu for 3 years and never had this happen to me is off a USB stick too
[14:08] <zmoylan> now trying to find a file to open in impress
[14:08] <SharkWoof> zmoylan, thanks your the only one that seems to care
[14:10] <zmoylan> pressing esc exits.  that's weird!  f5 to stop slideshow.
[14:11] <SharkWoof> oh
[14:11] <SharkWoof> yeah odd :L
[14:12] <SharkWoof> just closes i used powerpoint 2003
[14:15] <zmoylan> if i right click and end show it exits too
[14:16] <SharkWoof> same here
[14:16] <SharkWoof> i just dont get this
[14:17] <zmoylan> a black pps doesn't, is there an exit command in the presentation i wonder
[14:18] <zmoylan> *blank
[14:19] <SharkWoof> nope as i got it there is no way that we can get out its just exiting and do i need to file a bug report
[14:24] <zmoylan> rename the pps as a ppt, seems to work
[14:24] <zmoylan> also change the settings of the slide show to open in a window and not as default.
[14:24] <zmoylan> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45006
[14:25] <zmoylan> bad way of handling email attachments is my guess.
[14:25] <SharkWoof> thank you zmoylan so much
[14:26] <zmoylan> it worked for you ok, worked here but want to be sure it worked for you
[14:26] <SharkWoof> it did
[14:26] <zmoylan> cool, have a good weekend
[14:27] <SharkWoof> same to you


[07:37] <infinity> iwj: BTW, if you follow that source link through (click the version, then click the i386 build, then click on the "resulting binary"), you can download the binary now.
[07:37] <zyga> the installer asks me to create "partition label" of some kind, there are quite a few available
[07:37] <iwj> infinity: Ooo.
[07:38] <ogra> iwj, be careful, could be infinity is allergic to three O's and a dot currently ;)
[07:39] <ogra> even though your dot was at the end :)
[07:39] <iwj> Oh, there it is, hiding in one of those noise boxes in the corner.  Thanks, infinity.
[07:39] <Keybuk> infinity: "Everything will be OK"
[07:40] <zyga> mjg59: what else can I do to investigate this?
[07:40] <fabbione> pitti: did you finish to edit Testing/Current?
[07:40] <pitti> fabbione: no, it took me some time to merge my changes with the one who broke my log
[07:40] <fabbione> ok
[07:41] <ogra> pitti, hal should behave the same on all arches, right ?
[07:42] <ogra> pitti, my usb DVD writer offers me every speed from 1x to 48x on amd64 and i386 but only 15x and 32x on powerpc :)
[07:43] <ogra> (in n-c-b that is)
[07:43] <mdke> elmo: pong
[07:44] <pitti> fabbione: done now
[07:44] <pitti> fabbione, dholbach: your amd64 installs are marked with PASS - have you really got language-support-en installed?
[07:44] <jdub> ogra: those curly endian errors, they'll bite you every time!
[07:45] <pitti> ogra: well, 'behave' only modulo keys and attribures
[07:45] <pitti> ogra: no idea about that bug, though
[07:45] <ogra> its just funny, i'd not really consider it a bug
[07:46] <fabbione> pitti: thanks
[07:46] <ogra> jdub, yeah, that might be it
[07:46] <pitti> sfllaw: sure that we need to keep the older test results? they make editing the page a pain since it takes very long to find stuff
[07:46] <jdub> ogra: pfft 8)
[07:47] <ogra> we should urgently fall back to the sigle pages for every derivative, editing that huge thing is a pain
[07:47] <pitti> ogra++
[07:48] <ogra> mdz, can you wave my edubuntu-meta through to fix edubuntu-live please
[07:48] <sfllaw> ogra: All right.
[07:48] <sfllaw> I will split them off.
[07:48] <ogra> next release, for now lets kepp what we have to avoid confusuin
[07:48] <ogra> *confusion too
[07:48] <sfllaw> Ooh.  Confused.
[07:49] <infinity> ogra: I'll send it through.
[07:49] <ogra> infinity, thanks
[07:49] <pitti> Kamion: I created and attached the logs to bug 47537
[07:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47537 in debian-installer "amd64/alternate does not install language-support-en" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47537
[07:49] <mdz> ogra: what's up with edubuntu-meta?
[07:50] <janimo> infinity: is there a way to automatically rebuild a package and bump ubuntu revno without an upload?
[07:50] <pitti> janimo: no
[07:50] <ogra> mdz, pittis langpack addition was a bit optimistic for edubuntu-live :)
[07:50] <pitti> ogra: still strange; did you add anything else, or were the sizes just wrong?
[07:51] <ogra> pitti, i didnt touch seeds or -meta since a while
[07:51] <ogra> surely not after you
[07:51] <infinity> ogra: I see no upload...
[07:51] <pitti> ogra: hm, still mysterious. sorry, though
[07:51] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK, I'm regenerating the vmware-player apt repository now
[07:51] <Keybuk> infinity: there is no upload ...
[07:51] <infinity> Keybuk: Oh, thpt. :)
[07:52] <ogra> infinity,
[07:52] <ogra> ...
[07:52] <ogra> Good signature on ../edubuntu-meta_0.80.dsc.
[07:52] <ogra> Uploading via ftp edubuntu-meta_0.80.dsc: done.
[07:52] <ogra> Uploading via ftp edubuntu-meta_0.80.tar.gz: done.
[07:52] <ogra> Uploading via ftp edubuntu-meta_0.80_source.changes: done.
[07:52] <ogra> Successfully uploaded packages.
[07:52] <ogra> Not running dinstall.
[07:52] <infinity> ogra: Keybuk got to it before me.
[07:52] <ogra> should be there
[07:52] <ogra> ah
[07:52] <ogra> heh, approval race :)
[07:52] <Keybuk> infinity: actually I quickly moved it elsewhere while mdz queried it, to save your face ;)
[07:52] <infinity> Keybuk: I was going to check the changes and make sure it was just langpack dropping. :)
[07:53] <Keybuk> oh, I put an ubuntu-queue symlink in ~lp_queue
[07:53] <Keybuk> because /srv/la<tab>grr was annoying me
[07:53] <infinity> Yeah, that tab completion irritates me too.
[07:53] <infinity> Especially with the latency between here and the DC...
[07:53] <infinity> (~350ms, on a good day)
[07:54] <Keybuk> so mv ubuntu-queue/incoming/* manual-queue/incoming
[07:54] <Keybuk> etc.
[07:54] <Keybuk> much easier
[07:54] <pitti> infinity: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[07:55] <infinity> pitti: And these are in some vague order of "worthiness"? :)
[07:55] <pitti> infinity: right
[07:55] <infinity> pitti: How is that determined?
[07:55] <pitti> infinity: G is base+gnome, K is base+KDE, G+K is everything
[07:55] <infinity> pitti: Cause ubuntu-server has a different audience from desktop..
[07:55] <pitti> infinity: English, then the world's top 11, then alphabetically
[07:56] <infinity> pitti: (For instance, lots of pl and cz users..)
[07:56] <bgertzfield> infinity: Want me to send you a diff of the debian/ directory for the new vmware-player-kernel package?
[07:56] <pitti> infinity: feel free to shuffle around :) then you just loose the cumulative sum
[07:56] <infinity> Err, cs.
[07:56] <infinity> bgertzfield: I can manage that on my own.  I'm SMRT that way.
[07:57] <infinity> bgertzfield: Just give me a few moments to gather my scattered thoughts, and I'll grab the new packages and poke them with a stick.
[07:57] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK.  I'm uploading them to the outside now.
[07:57] <infinity> bgertzfield: There's no rush anyway, unless I missed the memo where we were going to ship these on the CD. :)
[07:57] <bgertzfield> infinity: No, no CD. :)
[07:57] <bgertzfield> Yeah, I know there isn't a rush, I just like to do a good job. :)
[07:58] <pitti> I'm off to further CD testing
[07:58] <Tonio_> hi
[08:00] <bddebian> Hello Tonio_
[08:00] <Keybuk> infinity: when you're done running the publisher, could you run it again?
[08:00] <Keybuk> who needs cron.daily when you have cron.infinity?
[08:00] <infinity> Keybuk: Yeah, I was planning on it already.
[08:00] <infinity> I should just put it in a while loop.
[08:05] <Keybuk> infinity: we could put publish-distro in a while loop, and just stop it every now and then to run apt-ftparchive? :p
[08:07] <infinity> Keybuk: Actually, if we can get the soyuz kids to guarantee that publishing and archive maintenance won't stomp on each other (they've been non-committal on this), that idea's not as insane as it sounds.
[08:07] <infinity> Keybuk: It's more or less how the rest of the machinery works, why not the publisher as well?
[08:08] <Keybuk> infinity: I'm told these days that things are definitely happening transactionallish
[08:08] <Keybuk> I've certainly not worried about whether or not p-d is running
[08:08] <Keybuk> we've only come across one "interesting behaviour"
[08:08] <Keybuk> (when you have a Pending already, e.g. a finished build, and try and change the overrides)
[08:11] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK.  Packages are updated:
[08:11] <bgertzfield> deb http://foxden.org/apt sid non-free
[08:11] <bgertzfield> deb-src http://foxden.org/apt sid non-free
[08:12] <bgertzfield> infinity: I updated both vmware-player (to have the .orig.tar.gz) and vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 (to use one megapackage for all the kernel modules).  I'm testing the packages now
[08:13] <iwj> Has there been any movement on the stuff I report in DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblem ?
[08:16] <darius_> 30557
[08:16] <Riddell> iwj: no, that needs feature changes to adept
[08:16] <darius_> bug 30557
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30557 in linux-source-2.6.15 "cpu idle time in /proc/stat wrong" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30557
[08:17] <infinity> darius_: Yes, we know.  It won't be fixed before release.  Please stop announcing the bug every 24 hours.
[08:17] <darius_> infinity: I didn't think I had
[08:17] <infinity> darius_: I recall you pointing it outa day or two ago, and perhaps one other time before that.
[08:17] <darius_> infinity: heck, I don't visit here every 24 hours - but thanks for letting me know that it won't make release
[08:18] <infinity> darius_: Sorry if I maligned you by implying that you've done it every 24 hours for the last month or so. :)
[08:18] <iwj> Riddell: No, obviously we're not changing adept now.  As you see I suggest changing the release notes to document an upgrade procedure that works.
[08:22] <iwj> Riddell: So, is anything being done about improving the release notes ?
[08:23] <infinity> Oh crap.  We never did anything about changing the CD icon in Windows.  Do we care?
[08:23] <infinity> mdz: ^^^
[08:24] <mdz> infinity: no
[08:24] <infinity> Right.  I'll TODO it for edgy.
[08:26] <Riddell> iwj: I've upgraded with adept numberous times and not had any problems
[08:27] <infinity> Mithrandir: Are you doing DVD testing?
[08:27] <iwj> Riddell: Did you read my wiki page ?  Do you agree or disagree with these criticisms ?
[08:27] <iwj> Or are you saying that I imagined the whole thing being so broken it couldn't reboot ?
[08:28] <iwj> My point is that the user will have a much nicer experience if we tell them to get out a konsole and a copy of some dumb text editor.
[08:28] <iwj> Command line notwithstanding.
[08:30] <iwj> Riddell: Also, I take it 46404 isn't going to be fixed ?
[08:30] <mvo> bgertzfield: do you have binary package (for amd64) in that repisitory as well? I would give it a test then
[08:31] <iwj> Not that I'm sure it's RC but it's quite alarming and probably ought to be noted somewhere in an errata list.
[08:32] <Riddell> iwj: 46404 is fixed, I thought I put it in the changelog but maybe not
[08:32] <iwj> Riddell: I didn't look at the changelog I'm afraid.
[08:33] <iwj> If it's fixed then excellent.
[08:33] <iwj> I'll make sure to test it :-).
[08:33] <Riddell> no but malone should close it if it was
[08:33] <iwj> Still listed as `unconfirmed' here.
[08:33] <Kamion> er ... changelogs don't auto-close bugs in malone
[08:33] <Kamion> you have to do that manually
[08:33] <Riddell> iwj: dcop and other kde things can break after upgrading until you restart kde but that won't change if you upgrade from a command line
[08:34] <iwj> Riddell: Yes, but if you try to do the install and reboot from the command line you don't see any of the damage.
[08:34] <Riddell> iwj: and I've not had a problem with being able to log out/reboot after ugrading but I'll look out for that when I test it today and tomorrow
[08:34] <iwj> Also, please see my other comments about how editing your sources.list in adept is a pita.
[08:35] <iwj> I'll try it again.  It's possible that my naive attempts to do the tests after upgrading (like the release notes suggest you might be able to) broke it more badly.
[08:35] <Riddell> Kamion: hmm, I thought it did for some reason
[08:35] <iwj> Do you not agree that editing sources.list in a text editor would be easier than in adept ?
[08:35] <iwj> I mean, I hate vi but I'd rather use it than adept for this job.
[08:36] <iwj> I'm sure the users would be able to cope with nano.
[08:36] <Riddell> iwj: i've got my girlfriend using adept, I know I won't get her using nano or even a GUI text editor for sources.list
[08:37] <iwj> It doesn't even have search-and-replace !
[08:38] <iwj> And you _have_ to run apt-cdrom if you've got no network connection.
[08:38] <iwj> (Even if you do have internet downloading all of dapper might be too slow and/or expensive.)
[08:41] <iwj> So I think the bottom line is that not specifying in the release notes a sane way to do the required sources.list edits is an RC bug and because I've been asked to test the upgrade I have reported a fail for this reason.
[08:41] <lemsx1> brb
[08:42] <iwj> I can and will test the resulting system after the upgrade to see if it works but before I look at the upgrade process again with a testing pov, this issue should be resolved.
[08:43] <iwj> It could be resolved by (a) fixing the release notes to suggest something I think someone could manage to do without throwing the computer out of the window or (b) being told by mdz or someone that they disagreed and I was being overruled.
[08:43] <iwj> s/being told/me &/
[08:43] <Keybuk> infinity: need another publisher run
[08:43] <infinity> Lies.
[08:43] <Keybuk> ubuntu-meta in outdate
[08:43] <Keybuk> ^ed
[08:44] <iwj> Riddell: Are you planning on (a) or (b) or (c) ignore the test failure and hope it goes away ?
[08:44] <infinity> Yeah, checking if it built everything.
[08:44] <infinity> s/everything/everywhere/
[08:44] <infinity> Yup, looks good, publishing.
[08:45] <iwj> Riddell: Sorry to be behaving like an arsehole about this but I'm looking for some concrete and robust response and haven't had it so far.
[08:45] <Keybuk> RIDDELL!!!!!!!
[08:45] <bgertzfield> infinity: Just realized I included the wrong rev of the kernel package in the apt repository on foxden.org.  Fixing.
[08:45] <infinity> bgertzfield: S'ok, I've not gotten to you yet anyway. :)
[08:45] <Keybuk> Riddell: Kubuntu screen got locked by switching VTs on Live CD
[08:46] <bgertzfield> infinity: Lucky me ;)
[08:46] <iwj> Keybuk: I think I've scared him off.
[08:46] <Keybuk> iwj: you bad, bad man
[08:47] <doko> testing edubuntu and ubuntu dvd i386 images ...
[08:49] <iwj> Riddell: I have to go and have some dinner etc.  Let me know what we're going to do about these problems.  Feel free to contact the Management and get them to overrule me.  I look forward to it :-).
[08:50] <mdz> iwj: summary of the issue?
[08:50] <mdz> iwj: problem with the instructions, software defect, both?
[08:51] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK, I just confirmed the out-of-the-box install "just works" with the new combined kernel module package.
[08:52] <ogra> meh, ppc edubuntu install ended up without a lo interface
[08:52] <ogra> did anybody else see that ? (non networked install)
[08:54] <LaserJock> mvo: back?
[08:54] <mvo> LaserJock: yes
[08:57] <bgertzfield> mvo: ok, my apt repository is updated with the new kernel module package
[08:57] <bgertzfield> infinity: apt repository updated
[08:57] <bgertzfield> mvo: go ahead and grab the new revisions (I also bumped vmware-player to correctly use a .orig.tar.gz and fix a missing word in the description)
[08:57] <bgertzfield> have to idle for a few.
[08:58] <jdub> bgertzfield, mvo: you guys are teh rock. ;-)
[08:58] <bgertzfield> jdub: I live to give. :)
[08:58] <infinity> ogra: ping me when you release your lock on Testing/Current
[08:59] <ogra> will do
[08:59] <mvo> jdub: don't forget infinity, he is certainly a rockstar as well :-D
[08:59] <Riddell> mdz: he says the adept repositories manager is less user friendly than text editor on sources.list, which I disagree with, and KDE breaks after upgrade until it's restarted which is true but seems to have broken worse for him than I've seen
[08:59] <infinity> mvo: are you doing server/amd64 right now?  If not, I'll take it off your hands.
[09:00] <Riddell> Keybuk: switching VTs by hand or quitting X?
[09:00] <Keybuk> Riddell: switch user thingy
[09:00] <mvo> infinity: not right now, feel free (and thanks!)
[09:00] <Keybuk> Riddell: also Lock Session happens to have the same effect
[09:01] <ogra> infinity, done
[09:01] <ogra> did anybody test powerpc alternate already ?
[09:01] <bgertzfield> OK, I'm out for a bit.
[09:02] <mvo> bye bgertzfield
[09:02] <ogra> i ended up with no lo device on a non networked edubuntu default install over here
[09:04] <ogra> anybody else seen that on ppc ?
[09:10] <infinity> Erm.  I'm supposed to test the "rescue" mode of the desktop/live CD, but I'm pretty danged sure it doesn't have one...
[09:10] <infinity> Am I an idiot, or should that row be removed from the table? :)
[09:11] <infinity> (Answering both in the affirmative may also be correct)
[09:11] <ogra> heh, intrgrity check is a bit "jumpy" on the screen
[09:11] <ogra> *integrity
[09:14] <mvo> bgertzfield: \o/ works now
[09:15] <infinity> Oh, heh, someone did change the logo on the CD, I just wasn't paying attention.
[09:15] <infinity> Yay.
[09:16] <infinity> Kamion: "Ubuntu 6.06 amd6" <--- Is that the label limit for ISO9660/Joliet?
[09:17] <pitti> Keybuk: since you had that problem as well: the installer offers resizing if there's a single large ext3 partition (and a swap)
[09:17] <pitti> Keybuk: I just got that, it was the first time I got resizing offered (and it worked fine)
[09:19] <ogra> erm, Kamion i have no expert mode on edubuntu anymore ? is that right ?
[09:19] <pitti> sfllaw: am I right that the desktop CD doesn't offer a special 'rescue' mode?
[09:20] <infinity> pitti: I'm pretty sure it doesn't.  I just made the same comment 2 minutes ago. :)
[09:20] <pitti> sfllaw: shall I mark that line with N/A or remove it entirely?
[09:20] <pitti> infinity: :)
[09:20] <infinity> pitti: Feel free to just remove that row from the list.
[09:23] <ogra> infinity, seems edubuntu-live 0.80 is in the archive, if you dont mind i'd like a new liveFS
[09:24] <infinity> ogra: I don't mind in the least.
[09:24] <ogra> :)
[09:24] <infinity> ogra: Spinning.
[09:24] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> mdz: ping ?
[09:25] <pitti> infinity: hm, we don't have alternate/server, shall I add it?
[09:25] <infinity> pitti: Err, what?
[09:25] <infinity> pitti: Oh, you mean doing "server" from the aternate CD?
[09:25] <ogra> heh
[09:25] <pitti> infinity: installing the alternative CD in 'server' mode
[09:25] <pitti> right
[09:25] <Tonio_> mdz: we have a problem concerninf video streaming in konqueror
[09:26] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, sure.  Add that.  I'd prefer if we had just removed the option from the menu or renamed it to something else, but way too late now.
[09:26] <Tonio_> mdz: it crashes on almost all streaming file due to a bug in kaffeine
[09:26] <infinity> pitti: It is in the menu right, not just a command-line option for the clueful?
[09:26] <infinity> pitti: If it's in the menu, it should definitely be tested, IMO.
[09:26] <Tonio_> mdz: we have a fix readdy that just changes mimetypes asociations and that works pretty well
[09:26] <Tonio_> mdz: would you agree with such an upload (concerns kubuntu-default-settings package)
[09:27] <pitti> infinity: it is in the menu
[09:28] <Tonio_> mdz: I know it is not critical, but since konqueror is the masterpiece of kde and default webbrowser, it is probably to have it as stable as possible...
[09:29] <dholbach> hum, after I did changes with the oem user, I ran sudo oem-config-prepare and rebooted, created a new user, but the changes I made seem gone?
[09:29] <ogra> mdz, edubuntu shipit is safe (i386 install all fine)
[09:30] <infinity> dholbach: What changes did you make?
[09:30] <seb128> ogra: I'm going to do edubuntu on desktop CD amd64 now
[09:30] <dholbach> infinity: changed background, created a symlink to the book excerpt
[09:30] <ogra> seb128, live ?
[09:30] <infinity> dholbach: Changed the oem user's background?
[09:30] <seb128> ogra: ah right, you still use the old naming
[09:31] <seb128> ogra: yep, ubiquity
[09:31] <ogra> seb128, thats overflown, new lifefs'es are building ytm
[09:31] <dholbach> infinity: yes - was that wrong?
[09:31] <infinity> dholbach: Cause he gets deleted.  As does his ~
[09:31] <ogra> *atm
[09:31] <seb128> ogra: and install?
[09:31] <infinity> dholbach: You kinda want to be making system-global changes. :)
[09:31] <ogra> install is good to test
[09:31] <seb128> I'll do install amd64 then
[09:31] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:31] <dholbach> infinity: ok, I see :-p
[09:31] <infinity> dholbach: The oem user is only there so you have something to log in as.
[09:31] <seb128> np
[09:32] <ogra> i'm a bit worried about that ppc loopback device thing here
[09:32] <ogra> who else will do ppc testing ?
[09:32] <dholbach> thanks infinity
[09:32] <ogra> i'd like to confirm that it works in ubuntu and i'm just crazy or something
[09:35] <mvo> fabbione: how do I a netinst with ubuntu-server? or is this the normal install with "server"
[09:35] <pitti> erm, dumb question: how do I get expert mode on amd64? on ppc I have it in the yaboot menu, but it's not in the gfxboot menu and F6 doesn't help either
[09:36] <ogra> where do you have a gfxboot menu on ppc ?
[09:36] <fabbione> mvo: no you need to setup tftpd/dhcpd to netboot/netinstall from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <ogra> oh, nm
[09:37] <infinity> Oh wow, keyboard-detection sure if fugly without a framebuffer.
[09:37] <mvo> fabbione: I did that, I wonder if there is a special "netboot" image or if I use the one that I used to netboot the normal install
[09:37] <infinity> "Please type one of the following black squares"
[09:37] <fabbione> mvo: netboot images are all the same
[09:37] <mvo> fabbione: right. so I type "server" and get the server install there?
[09:37] <mdz> Tonio_: I already approved that last week; did it not get uploaded?
[09:37] <fabbione> mvo: grab the one from archive.u.c/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/install-i386/
[09:37] <fabbione> mvo: i386? yes
[09:38] <Tonio_> mdz: only half of the changes.... riddell didn't use the good debdiff I sent him
[09:38] <Kamion> $ isoinfo -d -i cdimage/www/full/daily/current/dapper-alternate-amd64.iso
[09:38] <mvo> fabbione: ok, that is what I needed to know, thanks
[09:38] <Kamion> Volume id: Ubuntu 6.06 amd64
[09:38] <Kamion> infinity: ^--
[09:38] <infinity> kubuntu-default-settings (1:6.06-21)Add application/x-mplayer2 to profilerc to make KMPlayer the default Konqueror plugin
[09:38] <Tonio_> I have a package here correcting the issue, si if you accept, we can upload it right now
[09:38] <infinity> Tonio_: ^^^
[09:38] <infinity> Tonio_: Was that not the change?
[09:38] <infinity> Kamion: Ahh, so Windows is cutting it off.
[09:38] <Kamion> ogra: sorry, what about edubuntu expert?
[09:38] <infinity> Kamion: Suck.
[09:39] <Tonio_> infinity: for streaming we also need to associate realaudio mimetype to kmplayer
[09:39] <ogra> Kamion, there is no entry for expert in the install CD anymore
[09:39] <ogra> Kamion, was that intentional ?
[09:39] <Kamion> ogra: powerpc loopback> did you skip netcfg by going back to the installer main menu, rather than by telling netcfg "don't configure network"?
[09:39] <Kamion> ogra: no, which arch?
[09:39] <Keybuk> ogra: you've just discovered the first test for worthiness of the "expert" option
[09:39] <Kamion> ogra: oh, is this a gfxboot-using arch?
[09:39] <ogra> Kamion, i left it fail on the broadcom card
[09:39] <Tonio_> mdz, infinity: and concerning audio streaming, the issue isn't resolved at all....
[09:39] <ogra> Kamion, yep i386
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: do you have any idea about that disappearing l-s-en?
[09:40] <Kamion> ogra: press F6 ("Other Options"), then F6 again to toggle between normal and expert modes
[09:40] <Tonio_> mdz: that's why I think a "last of the latest" upload is a good idea (if you are okay of course)
[09:40] <infinity> Tonio_: Argh, we're well into CD testing at this point.  I'd say these kinds of changes are ideal for dapper-updates.
[09:40] <infinity> mdz: ^^^
[09:40] <mvo> pitti: that is fixed now in my tests (i386 upgrade)
[09:40] <pitti> Kamion: ah, thanks, that was my question as well
[09:40] <ogra> Kamion, i'm fine with it not being prominently available though
[09:40] <mvo> pitti: amd64 upgrade is still runing
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: did you upload a new version this afternoon?
[09:41] <mvo> pitti: no
[09:41] <ogra> Kamion, i just wasnt sure if it was removed due to the "server" mode removal
[09:41] <pitti> mvo: I still got it on ppc today
[09:41] <Kamion> ogra: nah, it's been in that position in gfxboot for months
[09:41] <mvo> pitti: hmmmmm
[09:41] <ogra> not in my last tests
[09:41] <Kamion> ogra: I'm sorry, it really has
[09:41] <ogra> there was an expert menu item
[09:42] <Tonio_> infinity: I didn't consider the shipit process.... is that the reason icons changes on xubuntu-default-settings have still been possible today ?
[09:42] <ogra> Kamion, i'm sure jsgotangco and cbx33 will proof me, they both tested it in RC from the menu...
[09:42] <mdz> Tonio_: we're much of the way through a many-hour-long regression test; we're only stopping now for true showstoppers
[09:42] <Kamion> Tonio_: those sneaked through without approval
[09:42] <mdz> Tonio_: I suggest queueing your upload for dapper-updates
[09:42] <Tonio_> mdz: okay, thanks !
[09:43] <Tonio_> Kamion: thanks for the info
[09:43] <ogra> Kamion, any ide about the ppc loopback device ?
[09:43] <Kamion> ogra: well, I don't know, you can look through the history of tools/boot/dapper/boot-i386 in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/ if you like
[09:43] <Kamion> ogra: could I see /var/log/installer/syslog?
[09:43] <ogra> sure
[09:45] <ogra> Kamion, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/syslog
[09:46] <Firerabbit> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/45223 someone on here seems to claim that if "pmi capabilities" inclues 'suspend' then the option should show up in the quit window, however on my machine it does not, is this a wide-spread issue?
[09:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45223 in Ubuntu "Sleep not present in Dapper 6.06" [Normal,Needs info]
[09:49] <infinity> Okay, they probbaly don't work, and I probably don't care, but if anyone has the hardware, Ubnutu desktop CDs for {sparc,ia64,hppa} are built and current.
[09:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: ping
[09:50] <Kamion> ogra: interesting, you didn't back up from netcfg, so it's not that bug ...
[09:51] <ogra> Kamion, want me to redo that install with the non wireless card instead (note i have no wired network around, so i cant test networked install) looks like its related to the firmware
[09:51] <Kamion> ogra: give me a few minutes to investigate
[09:51] <ogra> ok
[09:52] <mdz> Riddell: you said the desktop CDs for Kubuntu were good, but I don't see test results; please update the table
[09:52] <Firerabbit> I would be happy to investigate this problem further if someone can give me a little bit of background information on what changed that broke this.
[09:52] <ogra> infinity, how's my livefs build doing ?
[09:52] <Kamion> ogra: can I see /etc/network/interfaces too please?
[09:53] <Lure> Firerabbit: have noticed this with RC when testing Ubuntu (Kubuntu user otherwise)
[09:53] <infinity> ogra: Still waiting on amd64 and powerpc.  I'll spin the ISOs as soon as it's done.
[09:53] <ogra> infinity, oh, thanks ;)
[09:53] <FireRabbit> Lure: does the KDE logout window also not include the option?
[09:53] <FireRabbit> or is the problem specific to GNOME?
[09:54] <Lure> Firerabbit: #ubuntu-laptop may be better place though (release is being prepared here)
[09:54] <ogra> Kamion, oooh, thats intresting, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/interfaces
[09:54] <FireRabbit> okay, I was not aware of that channel, thanks.
[09:54] <Kamion> not an installer bug then
[09:54] <Kamion> I'd try to figure out why the networking scripts aren't bringing up lo
[09:54] <ogra> i tried ifupping lo
[09:55] <ogra> but it just returned quietly
[09:55] <ogra> (without giving me a device)
[09:56] <LaserJock> infinity: I uploaded a 1 line bug fix for  mopac7 to Universe, can you process that when you have a chance? Thanks
[09:58] <infinity> bgertzfield: Around?
[09:59] <bgertzfield> infinity: Yes
[09:59] <infinity> bgertzfield: Okay, I still have issues with the vmware stuff. :)
[09:59] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK, what's up
[09:59] <infinity> bgertzfield: You've not allowed for upgrades in any way.
[10:00] <bgertzfield> I punted on the version issue mostly.  What do you suggest?
[10:00] <infinity> bgertzfield: If a kernel ABI bump happens, the kernel and LRM will upgrade, your modules won't.
[10:00] <bgertzfield> Is there a tight dependency from the kernel on the LRM ABI?
[10:01] <bgertzfield> My thought was when a kernel ABI bump would happen, we would update the vmware-player-modules package.
[10:01] <infinity> bgertzfield: vmware-player -> Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules -> Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-$(latest-abi) | vmware-player-kernel-modules-custom
[10:01] <infinity> bgertzfield: ie: make vmware-player-kernel-modules a real (empty) package, instead of a virtual package.
[10:01] <bgertzfield> so you would suggest making an empty vmware-player-kernel-modules package with only dependencies?
[10:02] <bgertzfield> this won't fix the problem, though, right? $(latest-abi) won't force the user to upgrade the package
[10:02] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yeah, that way, when vmware-player-kernel-modules is upgraded, the new -2.6.15-24 package will get pulled in.
[10:02] <infinity> bgertzfield: Then they'll have both on the system.
[10:02] <bgertzfield> I see.
[10:02] <bgertzfield> So we condition it on vmware-player-kernel-modules getting updated.
[10:02] <bgertzfield> Makes sense!
[10:02] <bgertzfield> That'll be easy.
[10:03] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yup.  I look forward to seeing the change.  Then I'll be happy to sponsor these and get them in ASAP.
[10:03] <bgertzfield> infinity: Fantastic.
[10:03] <bgertzfield> I'll make the empty package Architecture: any
[10:05] <ogra> Kamion, this time i got an error message from ifup
[10:05] <ogra> Kamion, it complains about a malformed line 18 in interfaces
[10:05] <ogra> (missing essid)
[10:06] <dholbach> can somebody who burned "alternate cd, ubuntu i386" already check the "rescue" and "check" options and update those on the table?
[10:06] <Kamion> ogra: oh I see
[10:06] <Kamion> hmm
[10:07] <ogra> Kamion, not sure if thats really critical though
[10:07] <infinity> dholbach: I can do 'check' in vmware.  'rescue' might be tougher. :)
[10:07] <dholbach> hehe
[10:07] <ogra> sounds like something we can cover in the known issues section+
[10:07] <dholbach> i can plug the disk containing the isos back to my amd64 later and then burn and test it, it's not a big deal
[10:08] <infinity> Make my LAMP install go faster!
[10:08] <infinity> I really should have plugged one of Zofia's new SATA disks in to install to.. .Much faster...
[10:08] <thom> infinity: would it help if i got out and pushed?
[10:08] <infinity> Though, the crazy SATA/IDE mix on her system is good for testing grub-installer corner cases.
[10:10] <infinity> thom: You could always download ISOs and help test.
[10:10] <infinity> thom: Your name's still in enough changelogs here to incriminate you. :P
[10:11] <dholbach> haha
[10:11] <dholbach> yeah, thom, grab a seat and join in the efforts on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
[10:11] <iwj> mdz: both software defects and problems with the instructions; I think the best way to avoid the defects is to change the instructions to avoid the software.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblems has what I wrote about it.
[10:12] <elmo> mdke: it was about the wiki licensing stuff - could you catch up on the recent CC meeting, and give us some feedback?
[10:13] <mdke> elmo: oh, right. I'll have a look yeah
[10:13] <bgertzfield> infinity: how's this look?
[10:13] <bgertzfield> deb http://vmweb.vmware.com/~beng/apt sid non-free
[10:13] <bgertzfield> oops
[10:13] <bgertzfield> stupid xterm copy and paste :)
[10:13] <bgertzfield>  Package: vmware-player-kernel-modules
[10:13] <bgertzfield>  Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-6
[10:13] <mdke> elmo: one line summary? did it go alright?
[10:13] <bgertzfield>  Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-23 | vmware-player-kernel-modules-custom
[10:13] <bgertzfield> there we go.
[10:13] <infinity> bgertzfield: And the depends in generated on the fly, I assume.
[10:14] <bgertzfield> infinity: naturally
[10:14] <bgertzfield> so if the user builds a custom kernel package, we assume they know what they're doing and they can track their own dependencies.
[10:14] <elmo> mdke: some people were concerned with making everything PD - wondering if we could default to PD, but make a list of acceptable licenses available for folks to choose from.  also concerns about embedding/attaching non-PD material (screenshots, themes, GPL code, etc.)
[10:14] <infinity> bgertzfield: Right, that was the idea.
[10:14] <bgertzfield> OK, great.  I'll give these a quick test and upload 'em.
[10:15] <infinity> Oh, it's not uploaded yet?  I was about to go have a look. :)
[10:15] <bgertzfield> it takes me a minute to upload them to the outside. I'll do so now
[10:15] <infinity> bgertzfield: Oh, a little late to fix it now, but I assume that <IP_ADDRESS>-5 version number was derived from LRM? :)
[10:15] <thom> infinity: if i actually had machines available i would :/
[10:16] <bgertzfield> infinity: er, yeah.
[10:16] <bgertzfield> I wasn't sure where that came from
[10:16] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yeah, "oops". :)
[10:16] <mdke> elmo: yeah, I saw that on the agenda. I'm not sure if it's a problem in practice or not, I'll catch up on the log. Maybe an idea would be free-for-all on the main wiki, PD on the documentation wiki
[10:16] <bgertzfield> what exactly is the first part supposed to mean?
[10:16] <Keybuk> thom: borrow one of mjg59's thousands
[10:16] <bgertzfield> was it originally the ABI?
[10:16] <infinity> bgertzfield: LRM's version starts out at "KVER" (ie: 2.6.15), then gets revved every time I have to re-roll the orig.tar.gz for new upstream bits.
[10:16] <bgertzfield> infinity: oh. I see. but since I am upstream, I don't need that.
[10:17] <infinity> bgertzfield: Well, you would need to do sometihng similar if you update your orig.tar.gz, but it's still for kernel 2.6.15..
[10:17] <bgertzfield> infinity: ah. yeah
[10:17] <bgertzfield> ok, I'll leave it how it is. :)
[10:17] <bgertzfield> thanks for explaining how it works
[10:17] <infinity> bgertzfield: Or, build your version differently.. Say 2.6.15+1.0.1-1
[10:17] <bgertzfield> right
[10:17] <bgertzfield> Written down as a TODO. :)
[10:18] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yeah, you can revisit versioning in about a week when you upload 2.6.17 modules to edgy. :)
[10:18] <bgertzfield> woo hoo!
[10:19] <infinity> Am I just easily impressed because I get a kick every time I do an LVM install and it "just works"?
[10:19] <infinity> Probably easily impressed, but still cool.
[10:20] <bgertzfield> Scary. ):
[10:20] <bgertzfield> :)
[10:20] <thom> infinity: i'm the same way, actually :-)
[10:22] <ogra> YAY, edubuntu live isos have a sane size
[10:22] <Kamion> ogra: netcfg fix committed upstream
[10:22] <infinity> ogra: Oh, yeah, edubuntu ISOs done, BTW. :)
[10:22] <ogra> infinity, heh
[10:23] <ogra> Kamion, i really think we can keep that for the "known issues"
[10:23] <Kamion> I'm not sure it makes sense to fix it now though; I think it must have been like that for some time
[10:23] <Kamion> ogra: yeah
[10:24] <infinity> pitti: Thanks for taking the amd64/alternate stuff...
[10:24] <infinity> mvo: Can you do ubuntu-server/i386 netboot as well, since you already have it all set up there?
[10:25] <mvo> infinity: sure
[10:26] <zyga> hello again
[10:26] <mvo> infinity: just noted that I burned the server cd for nothing, but thanks a lot for taking it :)
[10:26] <infinity> mvo: You can test too, if you want.  I don't mind double-coverage on the server stuff. :)  (I'm doing i386, despite mdz having tested it already..)
[10:27] <bgertzfield> infinity, mvo: 5 minutes 'til the "last" packages are up. (hah)
[10:27] <mvo> infinity: I will
[10:27] <infinity> CD integrity check + vmware + loppback ISO = Yay.
[10:27] <mvo> bgertzfield: nice!
[10:28] <pitti> dholbach: ping
[10:28] <dholbach> pitti: pong
[10:28] <pitti> infinity: no problem, I can give my desktop something to do while I do ppc tests :)
[10:28] <infinity> Hrm, that was a special bug...
[10:29] <pitti> dholbach: do you have l-support-en installed with amd64/alternate? I don't (both with normal and expert install)
[10:29] <bgertzfield> mvo: made one change at infinity's suggestion to our last version, so we can track kernel abi changes better
[10:29] <infinity> Kamion: Ever seen the d-i CD integrity check loop?  (Did the check, said it was okay, hit "continue" -- the only button, fwiw -- and then it did the check again. :)
[10:29] <dholbach> pitti: i'll boot back and check
[10:29] <infinity> Kamion: It rebooted after the second check, so I wasn't stuck there forever. :)
[10:30] <mvo> bgertzfield: yeah, noticed (lurk-mode :)
[10:30] <bgertzfield> mvo: good
[10:30] <pitti> dholbach: I don't have much luck with l-s-en today :/
[10:31] <bgertzfield> oops. I made my empty package arch: any instead of all. rebuilding.
[10:31] <bgertzfield> those could really have had better names.
[10:31] <bgertzfield> how about "every" and "whatever"? so much clearer
[10:31] <bgertzfield> (just kidding)
[10:31] <infinity> bgertzfield: Heh.
[10:31] <pitti> dholbach: chroot should be enough :)
[10:32] <infinity> pitti: Err, what's supposed to install l-s-en?  d-i?
[10:32] <infinity> pitti: (based on the installer language, or..?)
[10:32] <pitti> infinity: l-s-en should always be installed, regardless of the language
[10:32] <Kamion> infinity: I thought Mithrandir fixed that ages ago
[10:33] <infinity> Kamion: Evidently not.
[10:33] <pitti> infinity: that works fine on ppc, and has worked on amd64 in the past, too, but not today (for me at least)
[10:33] <infinity> pitti: Is this also meant to happen on ubuquity installs, cause it doesn't...
[10:33] <pitti> infinity: funny, with ubiquity it works here
[10:33] <infinity> Oh, hah.  I'm sitting here wondering why the vmnet bridge isn't working...
[10:34] <pitti> infinity: just not with alternate
[10:34] <infinity> WOULD HELP IF YOU PLUGGED IN A CABLE INSTEAD OF USING WIRELESS, RETARD.
[10:36] <pitti> Kamion: uh, yes, I said no to 'download l-s' because I don't have network here
[10:36] <pitti> Kamion: (it's currently broken and I have to manually switch to modem)
[10:39] <Kamion> pitti: right, so it didn't :-)
[10:39] <pitti> Kamion: but l-s-en doesn't need to be downloaded...
[10:40] <Kamion> ah, yeah, I suppose that's sort of a bug
[10:40] <pitti> Kamion: anyway, it's probably just a confusing question
[10:40] <pitti> Kamion: I'll try another install completely without network, then it should work, right?
[10:40] <Kamion> mm, probably not, if you answer no to that question then it will not download any language-support-*
[10:40] <Kamion> er, will not install any ...
[10:41] <pitti> a present ethernet without functional internet connection is certainly corner-caseish enough to be ignored for the release
[10:41] <ogra> pitti, at least it works this way in edubuntu, i just had such an install here
[10:41] <Kamion> can you reopen that bug and clarify following this conversation?
[10:41] <pitti> Kamion: I already did
[10:41] <Kamion> it should be on pkgsel
[10:41] <Kamion> ok, thans
[10:41] <Kamion> +k
[10:42] <infinity> bgertzfield: How much do you know about your product? :)
[10:42] <infinity> bgertzfield: Oh, nevermind.  Driver error.
[10:43] <mvo> pitti: just verified, the "language-support-en gets removed" bug is gone for me on i386
[10:43] <pitti> mvo: *scratching my head*, well, good to hear :)
[10:43] <mvo> pitti: I'm doing amd64 now anyway, I check there too
[10:44] <pitti> mvo: maybe depends on the moon phase then, or whether the current hour is a prime number
[10:44] <mvo> pitti: yeah
[10:45] <zyga> lol
[10:45] <zyga> I remeber there was some one program that did depend on moon phase in a way ;]
[10:45] <mvo> pitti: amd64 is ok too ... all very strange
[10:45] <mvo> zyga: which one?
[10:45] <zyga> mvo: just a sec
[10:45] <sfllaw> pitti: The documentation claims there's a rescue line.
[10:47] <zyga> mvo: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/phase-of-the-moon.html
[10:47] <pitti> sfllaw: not on the live CDs, and since the actual live system is a pretty good rescue system, too, it wouldn't make too much sense, I guess
[10:48] <bgertzfield> infinity, mvo: foxden.org apt repository updated
[10:48] <bgertzfield> going to ensure the packages work on amd64 now
[10:48] <bgertzfield> vmware-player_1.0.1-4 moves to .orig.tar.gz and fixes a missing word in the desc
[10:48] <bgertzfield> vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15 ... -6 adds the new empty dependency helper package
[10:49] <Kamion> zyga: nethack does
[10:49] <bgertzfield> ahh, my old nethack package :)
[10:49] <bgertzfield> those were the days
[10:50] <zyga> Kamion: adom does too
[10:51] <infinity> bgertzfield: Kay, I've already context switched, but I'll re-check those in a bit.
[10:51] <bgertzfield> infinity: ok, confirmed everything is good on amd64
[10:51] <bgertzfield> infinity: sure. ready whenever you are.
[10:51] <zyga> Kamion: same on virtual moonphase and virtual birthday (try eating a hurtling cake as a hurtling on your virtual birthday :-)
[10:51] <mdz> iwj: the most interesting part of your message is the description of what went wrong after the upgrade, but it's also the bit with the least detail
[10:51] <sfllaw> pitti: Well, it is there.
[10:51] <ogra> infinity, how about edubuntu DVDs, now that you had a snack and refreshment :)
[10:51] <Kamion> infinity: bug 28033
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28033 in cdrom-checker "cdrom-checker-menu never reboots" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28033
[10:52] <Kamion> should be reopened now I guess
[10:52] <infinity> ogra: You need new ones?
[10:52] <ogra> i have new live isos, so i would imagine so
[10:52] <sfllaw> pitti: I think it might be a little late to remove this functionality.
[10:55] <sfllaw> pitti: Hmm.  It appears to be a documentation fault.
[10:57] <Mithrandir> mdz: hi
[10:57] <Mithrandir> infinity: yes, but not right now.
[10:58] <bgertzfield> Mithrandir: thanks again for all your help yesterday!
[10:58] <dholbach> Riddell: sorry, I added a conflict in the wiki
[10:58] <Mithrandir> bgertzfield: happy to help
[10:59] <Riddell> dholbach: can you fix it?
[10:59] <dholbach> you're done now?
[11:00] <dholbach> Riddell: s'all good
[11:01] <Riddell> thanks
[11:02] <doko> is there a "package" to file bugs for help.ubuntu.com ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> doko: what part? probably ubuntu-docs
[11:04] <doko> LaserJock: start guide
[11:05] <LaserJock> doko: I suppose ubuntu-docs then
[11:06] <mdke> doko: that's a breezy guide though, we won't be fixing bugs for it
[11:06] <elmo> mdke: is the CoC in ubuntu-docs btw?
[11:07] <mdke> elmo: no
[11:07] <infinity> Gah, partman, you suck.
[11:07] <bgertzfield> partman's not fat; he's just big-boned
[11:07] <infinity> Kamion: "Erase entire disk and use LVM" is telling me to piss off because I already have LVM volumes.
[11:08] <mdke> infinity: maybe that's just an excuse to tell you to piss off
[11:08] <mdke> not a great one either... you've seen through it
[11:08] <doko> mdke: but it's still referenced on the toplevel help.ubuntu.com without mentioning the version?
[11:08] <elmo> mdke: could we have it in there please?
[11:08] <mdke> doko: yes. When dapper is out there will be a new website
[11:09] <mdke> elmo: it's a decent idea. Bit late for dapper mind. Would you envisage having it in the front page of yelp?
[11:09] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks for removing those two
[11:10] <infinity> Oh well, I think I did something to anger it.
[11:12] <dholbach> infinity: I think I ran into the same problem.
[11:12] <pitt1> moo
[11:13] <infinity> dholbach: It's tricky to trigger, mind you, so I'm just going to reproduce it later and file a bug.  It's not even close to RC.
[11:13] <dholbach> yeah
[11:13] <dholbach> when I removed the partitions it was happy again
[11:13] <infinity> Man, I so need to file a wishlist bug on d-i for this one.
[11:14] <pitti> Keybuk: I still get anacron on the ppc/live. Are you sure that's from pbbuttonsd? IIRC the changelog claimed that it got fixed recently
[11:14] <infinity> Every time it asks "is your system clock set to UTC" but doesn't tell you WHAT THE SYSTEM CLOCK IS SET TO, a kitten dies.
[11:14] <dholbach> so if one of a million people installing it runs into the problem, he's not going to cry in despair
[11:14] <infinity> "Well, I dunno, maybe it's set to UTC... Maybe not... You've not told me what time it thinks it is.."
[11:14] <pitti> infinity++
[11:14] <Keybuk> pitti: ls /etc/rc2.d
[11:15] <pitti> Keybuk: no anacron there
[11:15] <Keybuk> pitti: no anacron at all?  (as apposed to K*anacron)
[11:16] <pitti> Keybuk: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*ana* gives nothing
[11:16] <Keybuk> pitti: then you have an old version of casper, thus an old CD
[11:16] <pitti> Keybuk: it's the very latest from today
[11:16] <Keybuk> pitti: Lies.
[11:16] <Keybuk> pitti: dpkg-query -W casper
[11:17] <pitti> Keybuk: 1.57
[11:17] <Keybuk> pitti: that's fucked then
[11:17] <LaserJock> infinity: that UTC clock thing gets me everytime
[11:17] <Keybuk> 1.57 should have /etc/rc2.d/K00anacron
[11:17] <mdke> elmo: ok, I've send a mail to c-c@lists about WikiLicensing, thanks for nudging me about it
[11:17] <Keybuk> pitti: are you testing with a cow
[11:18] <pitti> Keybuk: cow? moo?
[11:18] <Mithrandir> pitti: do you have oopses in dmesg?
[11:18] <pitti> Keybuk: no, no oopses
[11:19] <pitti> a lot of buffer I/O errors on hdc (CD-ROM), but that's about it
[11:19] <crimsun> I get an oops on i386 ([4294684.330000]  EIP is at finish_wait+0x36/0x70)
[11:19] <mdke> doko: yes, we've fixed that bug in the dapper docs (as discussed on -devel mailing list) don't be offended if I close the bug, we can't fix all the breezy stuff
[11:20] <crimsun> (seems to be related to kIrDAd, but it's non-fatal, so meh)
[11:20] <Mithrandir> pitti: any mention of anacron in /var/log/casper.log?
[11:21] <pitti> Mithrandir: ah:
[11:22] <pitti>  /scripts/casper-bottom/25configure_init: 33: dirname: not found
[11:22] <pitti>  `/K00anacron': exists
[11:22] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: you suck, then. :-P
[11:22] <infinity> pitti: Ah-ha.
[11:23] <infinity> Would have been nice if someone had tested that change.. *cough*
[11:23] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: oh, heh
[11:23] <Keybuk> infinity: I did test it, just not in initramf
[11:23] <Keybuk> +s
[11:24] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: so you didn't test it.
[11:24] <infinity> Keybuk: Well, yes.  I meant "test a daily after it was included".
[11:24] <Keybuk> oh well
[11:24] <Keybuk> it's not a regression on the previous behaviour
[11:24] <Keybuk> just silly
[11:25] <pitti> so, it'll make ppc installs horribly slow/unusable after 5 minutes, but oh well
[11:25] <infinity> :/
[11:25] <bgertzfield> :(
[11:25] <pitti> it has worked so far
[11:25] <Keybuk> pitti: that was the case before my fix too though
[11:25] <Mithrandir> pitti: why does this just touch ppc?
[11:25] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: would ${STUPID%/*} work in initramfs?
[11:25] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: ppc has pbbuttonsd which generates a "power" event on boot to let you know it's on AC
[11:25] <Keybuk> which kicks off anacron through invoke-rc.d
[11:26] <Keybuk> and because you just removed the S* links, rather than replace with K* links, invoke-rc.d still started it
[11:26] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: since ${%/*} is POSIX, yes.
[11:27] <pitti> Keybuk: hm, that won't make much sense, will it? unless we'll roll new CDs in the future
[11:28] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[11:28] <Keybuk> certainly too late to put the fix in now
[11:28] <pitti> right
[11:28] <Keybuk> especially given that the fix doesn't break it *more* than it was broken before
[11:28] <Keybuk> (broken fix)
[11:28] <infinity> No point in having it in -updates unless we DO roll new CDs.  THough I guess it doesn't hurt to push it on the off chance that we might.
[11:29] <Keybuk> infinity: we probably will for ubiq bug fixes
[11:29] <pitti> Keybuk: actually, if I started an install immediately, it went just fine; it just got stuck if I played with the live CD for some minutes; maybe anacron checks the load before it kicks in?
[11:29] <infinity> If we decide to do 6.06.1 or something.. I dunno.
[11:29] <Keybuk> infinity: 6.06.6
[11:29] <Keybuk> pitti: I believe it does
[11:30] <mdke> Burgwork: no, you need smurf
[11:30] <pitti> Keybuk: I agree, otherwise I would have never managed to finish any ubiquity installation (updatedb is merciless...)
[11:35] <infinity> Mithrandir: Can you queue up (and test locally) a proper fix for that bug for the just-in-case-we-find-a-showstopper-and-have-to-rebuild-anway case?
[11:35] <infinity> Mithrandir: But don't upload it, obviously.
[11:35] <Mithrandir> infinity: yes, willdo
[11:39] <Kamion> infinity: FYI, in case nobody said - we will be rebuilding for some bad Chinese issues in d-i and ubiquity
[11:39] <Kamion> I've fixed half the problem, about to start investigating the other half
[11:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: does that mean I should do the casper fix immediately and get it in?
[11:41] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: no!
[11:41] <Keybuk> we want to change as little as possible
[11:41] <Kamion> I'd rather change as few things as possible
[11:41] <Kamion> so that the retesting process is as quick as we can
[11:41] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ok
[11:41] <infinity> Kamion: This one's pretty irritating, mind you.  Positive we can't sneak it in?
[11:42] <infinity> (Not that I have a PPC machine that boots CDs, so I can just pretend the bug doesn't exist)
[11:42] <pitti> Kamion: it means that the ppc live CD becomes unusable after a few minutes
[11:42] <pitti> not the end of the world
[11:42] <pitti> but ugly
[11:42] <Mithrandir> I'm amazed nobody has reported this bug before.
[11:43] <pitti> Mithrandir: I forgot about it after seeing that changelog :(
[11:43] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: I was the first to notice
[11:43] <Keybuk> last week, thus the quick fix
[11:43] <Keybuk> obviously eyeballing the diff and testing locally wasn't sufficient
[11:43] <Mithrandir> it means nobody has been using the live cd for more than a few minutes on PPC?
[11:44] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: at least, nobody has been _not_ using the live cd for more than a few minutes
[11:44] <Keybuk> anacron doesn't kick in under load
[11:44] <infinity> and since our testing cycle involves opening OOo and other such..
[11:45] <pitti> yeah, I noticed when booting the live CD, doing something else, and then wanting to test it
[11:45] <infinity> But regular LiveCD usage on the other hand, is more like "boot, look around, go 'ooo, this is cool', sit at desktop for a while, decide to try installer"
[11:45] <infinity> Which will be hell.
[11:47] <Kamion> I'm very much inclined not to, I'm afraid - any more mistakes at this point would be very costly
[11:47] <pitti> Keybuk, Mithrandir: X=/a/b/c; echo ${X%/*} works well here under bash and dash
[11:47] <Kamion> (I'm having people double/triple-check all my changes here)
[11:47] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, but so does dirname ;)  try under initramfs
[11:47] <Keybuk> I did _that_ level of checks on the currently broken shell
[11:47] <infinity> Keybuk: ${} is pure shell, dirname isn't. :)
[11:48] <pitti> Kamion: that means we won't do another full test cycle with  the new images?
[11:48] <Keybuk> ok, it seems to work
[11:48] <Kamion> pitti: we'll do another test cycle, but we need to be prepared for not having enough time for a *full* cycle
[11:48] <pitti> yes, that's what I mean
[11:49] <Kamion> so I'd like not to change things with wide-ranging effects
[11:49] <infinity> Kamion: I'm fine with the answer being "no", but if we fix the broken shell, the worst that happens is that it stays as broken as it currently is if we get it wrong.
[11:50] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: you can pull both sets of fix from sftp://chinstrap/home/warthogs/archives/scott/casper for edgy
[11:50] <infinity> Since casper clearly isn't 'set -e' at that point, or it would have broken horrible on the 'dirname: command not found'
[11:50] <infinity> horribly, too.
[11:50] <Kamion> infinity: I've tried to get in touch with mdz, and can't, so I guess it comes down to me - I think my answer is no, since at least this way we know what the problem is
[11:51] <infinity> Kamion: Fair 'nuff.  I won't push it.
[11:51] <Kamion> (I can imagine for instance that pbbuttonsd might get upset at a different invoke-rc.d exit code or something)
[11:51] <Kamion> (maybe it doesn't, but that kind of thing)
[11:51] <Mithrandir> I could rm the anacron binary instead.
[11:51] <Mithrandir> but as infinity says, your choice
[11:51] <Kamion> if people with ubiquity checkouts could pull my current tree and sanity-check the final patch in it, that'd be good
[11:51] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: that wouldn't help
[11:52] <Keybuk> in fact, that's exactly the kind of brokenness we want to avoid
[11:52] <Keybuk> rm'ing anacron would mean cron would start running /etc/cron.* again
[11:52] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: that branch is missing your 1.57 commit.
[11:52] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: no it's not
[11:52] <Keybuk> it's just one commit for both
[11:53] <Mithrandir> can you fix that, please?
[11:53] <Keybuk> no :)
[11:53] <doko> pitti: is not finding an USB stick worth reporting?
[11:53] <Keybuk> it's my branch, and I'll commit how I want to
[11:53] <doko> May 30 21:33:20 ubuntu kernel: [ 1161.366038]  usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[11:53] <doko> May 30 21:33:23 ubuntu kernel: [ 1162.775905]  usb 1-8: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[11:53] <doko> May 30 21:33:49 ubuntu kernel: [ 1174.427425]  usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[11:53] <doko> May 30 21:33:52 ubuntu kernel: [ 1175.836836]  usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[11:53] <Keybuk> it's one logical fix
[11:53] <doko> May 30 21:34:07 ubuntu kernel: [ 1182.743514]  usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[11:53] <pitti> doko: sure; we can't fix it right now, but maybe in-updates
[11:53] <doko> [...]
[11:53] <pitti> doko: ah, that's known, many dupes
[11:54] <pitti> doko: sudo rmmod ehci_hcd
[11:54] <pitti> doko: in most cases it works with the usb 1.1 driver
[11:54] <doko> pitti: bug number?
[11:54] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: please refrain from breaking casper in the future, then.
[11:55] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: stop being a twat
[11:55] <pitti> doko: 27889, 32182, and probably some more
[11:56] <Keybuk> (*fight*fight*fight*) :p
[11:56] <Kamion> oh-kay
[11:59] <rddp> Are you guys in London having any official post release drinks at a friendly local pub tomorrow? I'd like to get you a round :)
[12:00] <Keybuk> tomorrow is a bit optimistic for "post-release" given the release is on Thursday
[12:00] <rddp> Ah its not quite midnight yet.. :)
[12:01] <Keybuk> unless you're forseeing "it's all gone wrong, let's go get pissed and try to forget"
[12:01] <rddp> well taht could work