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[15:45] <ChinnoDog> So, was there an actual meeting on Saturday? And, would it be a faux pas for me to show up with a laptop running Windows? :-)
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[16:01] <maco> brian tends to show up with an ipad
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[00:30] <ahoneybun> heello
[03:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We'll need an upload for grub2-signed signed as well.  Please upload it too.
[03:17] <mamarley> ScottK: So, how is logging handled in the current initscript for Quassel?  It has been quite some time since I actually ran with the stock script.
[03:19] <ScottK> It uses --logfile=$LOGFILE --loglevel=$LOGLEVEL
[03:20] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  I don't have any idea how to do something like that with Upstart.  I basically just hacked something together so that I could ensure Quassel would start after PostgreSQL started.
[03:21] <ahoneybun> anyone know how the ubuntu doc meeting went?
[03:23] <skellat> ahoneybun: The logs are here (I missed it due to family issues I had to take care of in lieu of attending) -- http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html
[03:29] <mamarley> ScottK: OK, it looks like the argument for $LOGFILE is hardcoded in the initscript and $LOGLEVEL and $PORT come from /etc/default/quasselcore.  Is there any scheme for storing this configuration with Upstart scripts?  I looked at several of the scripts on my system and it looks like everything is just in the .conf file.
[03:35] <mamarley> I think I found it, nevermind.
[03:38] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:39] <ScottK> I've so far avoided knowing anything much about upstart.
[03:39] <ScottK> Log goes in /var/log/quassel/core.log
[03:40] <mamarley> Writing Upstart scripts is *so* much easier than old-fashioned ones.
[03:40] <mamarley> And I find it preferable to systemd scripts as well.
[03:40] <ScottK> Except when you know how to do sysv init scripts and not upstart ones.
[03:55] <ahoneybun> thanks skellat
[03:55] <skellat> ahoneybun: No problemo
[04:02] <mamarley> ScottK: OK, I have written something that has all the functionality of the current sysv initscript.  How would you like for me to send it to you?  File a bugreport on Launchpad?
[04:02] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:02] <ScottK> I'll ask someone who knows more about upstart than me to review it.
[04:12] <mamarley> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036
[04:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ would you please review.
[05:37] <jussi> hrm, why do we have a package called kdeconnect-kde?
[05:37] <jussi> should it not be kdeconnect and if needed kdeconnect-gtk or -dbg etc?
[05:37] <valorie> bad packagename, for sure
[05:40] <jussi> hrrr
[05:41] <jussi> kdeconnect people, you suck.
[05:41] <jussi> they hacve changed the protocol already, so our package is out of date, and cant be used with the version that is in the google store
[05:41] <valorie> I don't think they added on the -kde part
[05:42] <valorie> oh, boo
[05:42] <jussi> well that was a bunch of fail installing that...
[05:42]  * jussi goes to report bug
[05:44] <jussi> hrm is the a cli way to report a bug? ubuntu has ubuntu-bug <package>, does the kde thing have similar?
[06:14] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj)
[06:18] <soee> good morning
[06:19] <android> morning soee
[06:19] <soee> someone can remind me the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ?
[06:20] <android> sudo do-release-upgrade
[06:21] <android> iirc
[06:23] <soee> Riddell, you didn't answer my question yesterday :|
[06:32] <android> right bug 1244064 has been filed
[06:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:54] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ugh from the meeting: 20:04 <bkerensa> david wonderly also left Kubuntu and Kubuntu killed their docs
[06:57] <android> mis information ftw
[06:59] <lordievader> android: Riddel came to the rescue: 20:09 <Riddell> bkerensa: our docs are back in 13.10 ^^
[06:59] <android> good on him. which meeting was this ?
[06:59] <lordievader> android: Documentation meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html
[07:00] <android> ahh
[07:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ack
[07:59] <Riddell> morning
[07:59] <Riddell> soee: sorry I've been at linuxcon, what was your question yesterday?
[07:59] <soee> Riddell, i v seen some conversation about server, are you looking for some?
[08:01] <Riddell> soee: no I think we have all the server we need currently thanks
[08:01] <soee> ok :)
[08:04] <yossarianuk> you survived Scotland ?
[08:08] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I have lived here for over 30 years :)
[08:12] <yossarianuk> Riddell: Ah good stuff <<< im half scottish myself .
[08:17] <Riddell> yossarianuk: welcome along, new to the channel?
[08:17] <yossarianuk> yes - I have been bugging people about the UEFI bug with 13.10...
[08:18] <Riddell> thanks much needed, I see bug 1242417 is needing testing
[08:18] <Riddell> but I'm unsure how to test, how do you upgrade if it won't boot?
[08:21] <yossarianuk> Riddel: Install as normal - then chroot into the new install
[08:21] <yossarianuk> then add ppa and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <shadeslayer> actually, you'll want to wait a bit
[08:22] <shadeslayer> and enable proposed
[08:23] <shadeslayer> fix is in -proposed
[08:23] <shadeslayer> however still needs grub2-signed rebuilt against new grub-efi-amd64
[08:23] <Riddell> aah
[08:23] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: I think you won't get the upgrade because you're running my PPA
[08:23] <shadeslayer> same version
[08:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.23.dsc
[08:24] <shadeslayer> and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.22.1.dsc
[08:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  a) I'd check with upstream whether it is fine to backport that without the associated qt libraries
[08:25] <shadeslayer> atleast for libnm-qt that is not true
[08:26] <shadeslayer> you need the latest bugfix version of libnm-qt for the latest bugfix of plasma-nm
[08:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[09:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: quasse upstart looks fine, but upstart is not really my area of expertise so you should probably have someone from foundations look at it real quick
[09:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so.... we want to SRU muon 2.1 or what?
[09:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already done?
[09:07] <apachelogger> oh?
[09:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1243807
[09:07] <apachelogger> go move trello cards? :P
[09:08] <apachelogger> and compile a list of what we reported and was fixed :P
[09:08] <shadeslayer> ufff
[09:08] <shadeslayer> I didn't file bugs
[09:08] <shadeslayer> I just showed apol what didn't work
[09:08] <shadeslayer> and he fixed them all
[09:08] <apachelogger> the card has all -updater issues
[09:09]  * apachelogger gets too much bug mail
[09:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also plasma-nm card needs moving to doing I rckon
[09:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't know if KDE bug 326245 was fixed
[09:12] <shadeslayer> can you check?
[09:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's the crash on start
[09:13] <shadeslayer> ah cool then
[09:14]  * apachelogger shakes head at bug 1166102
[09:23] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj)
[12:06] <jussi> shadeslayer: fix kdeconnect already!
[12:10] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:53] <soee> just upgraded to 13.10 here at work :) not even single error
[12:53] <jussi> soee: I had a similar experience
[12:54] <soee> :)
[12:54] <soee> i have a feeling that overall performance is a bit better now
[12:55] <jussi> However, one thing about the upgrade... could we somehow patch dpkg or something to keep going, even if configs need attention? stoppping while the user answers a non essential question like,  "do you want to keep or replace xorg.conf" is STUPID!
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that comment from upstream is nonesense
[12:56] <apachelogger> you can inject arbitrary translation catalogs
[12:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: regarding plasma-nm
[12:58] <soee> jussi in my cas it asked about apache config
[12:58] <soee> so i think its important here to keep local configuration
[12:59] <jussi> soee: yes, I agree. it asked a few different things for me, but the point was, it should keep installing in the background, even though it is waiting for input on that small issue
[13:14] <jussi> quiet day today
[13:18] <shadeslayer> jussi: whut? :S
[13:18]  * shadeslayer was out lunching
[13:18] <shadeslayer> and violining
[13:19] <jussi> shadeslayer: how do we fix kdeconnect?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> what's broken?
[13:19] <jussi> shadeslayer:  bug 1244064
[13:19] <shadeslayer> I like how the package is called kdeconnect-kde
[13:19] <shadeslayer> because the name doesn't have enough KDE in it
[13:20] <jussi> kde connect doesnt currently work...
[13:20] <shadeslayer> :/
[13:21] <shadeslayer> I don't see a new release http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.3/src/
[13:22] <soee> apt-get autoremove wants to delete: kdebase-runtime is it ok ?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:23] <shadeslayer> only a transitional package
[13:24] <soee> thank you
[13:25] <jussi> shadeslayer: hrr
[13:25] <jussi> I wonder if the guy uploaded something weird to the play store
[13:25] <jussi> some git version
[13:29] <jussi> shadeslayer: 0.3.1 is the android version
[13:29] <shadeslayer> yes I see
[13:31] <shadeslayer> I can't even install
[13:33] <Riddell> ScottK: grub2-signed in saucy-proposed unapproved queue for bug 1242417
[13:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I fixed the debian/control file to require grub2 2.00-19ubuntu2.1
[13:36] <shadeslayer> aha, possibly we need to do the same for trusty?
[13:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: too late :)
[13:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:56] <Riddell> ta da http://tr.kubuntu.org/
[14:53] <yossarianuk> does the new status 'fix released' for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 mean that now as long as you enable updates during install UEFI installs will now work?
[14:53] <yossarianuk> or will I still have to chroot to fix it ?
[14:55] <Riddell> yossarianuk: it's only in -proposed for now so it won't get updated unless you add that manually, we need to test it to ensure it works
[14:56] <Riddell> yossarianuk: it'll go into -updates once we've tested a 7 days have passed then it should be picked up by anyone who ticks install updates during install
[15:02] <yossarianuk> ok - I already have the version from the PPA...
[15:02] <yossarianuk> (i may re-install tonight to help test and speed things along.)
[15:02] <yossarianuk> (depends on how my 6th month old son is tonight.....)
[15:20] <Riddell> yossarianuk: yes please test the packages from -proposed, otherwise it's not part of the SRU process and doesn't let the packages progress to -updates
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: if you reinstall, please check if your problem gets fixed by clicking the "Update packages during install" checkbox
[15:36] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: Riddell: will do
[15:38] <yossarianuk> here is a semi off topic question ....  I have always wanted to pick up a programming language - The only languages I have ever used really is Basic on the Amiga/Commodore64/Dragon32 , HMTL and a bit of PHP - I'm pretty good at bash scripting and I understand package building (I have a PPA with latest nvidia and I maintain the nvidia-rt Arch Linux package..) - what you would you recommend to me if I want to learn a 'proper' language
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it won't if they're just in -proposed
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would enabling proposed fix that?
[15:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you'd have to do it manually and update in the chroot, I don't know of any way to get ubiquity to do that
[15:39] <shadeslayer> well, there is just one proper language :)
[15:39] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I'm a big fan of python
[15:39] <yossarianuk> Thanks for your input....
[15:40] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: what is the one proper ?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uhm, so if I enable proposed, ubiquity will still generate a sources.list without -proposed ? :/
[15:40] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: C
[15:40] <yossarianuk> ok thanks.
[15:41] <yossarianuk> so (back on topic..) I need to install - chroot - enable proposed then dist-upgrade /
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list on the live image is unrelated to what gets installed onto the hard disk
[15:43] <Riddell> yossarianuk: ug don't go learning C, it's a horrible way to start programming
[15:44] <shadeslayer> which is interesting because I thought ubiquity checks what's enabled on the CD and enables the same on the target
[15:44] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I'd search for python and pyqt beginners tutorials
[15:45] <lordievader> Ohh python is lovely :)
[15:46] <shadeslayer> if you like Python, then you might like Go
[15:46] <shadeslayer> mix of C and Python
[15:46] <yossarianuk> Riddell: thanks !
[15:46] <yossarianuk> I'm guessing there are a lot of QT programmers in the KDE world...
[17:12] <yossarianuk> right  - just checking before I do it...
[17:12] <yossarianuk> to test UEFI
[17:12] <yossarianuk> just install - chroot - + proposed updates - dist-upgrade - reboot
[17:12] <yossarianuk> (am doing to new install..)
[17:18] <Riddell> yossarianuk: yes I think so
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: plz wait
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell is uploading something?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> or not required?
[17:19] <Riddell> mm I don't know
[17:19] <Riddell> grub2 sound pretty required
[17:20] <shadeslayer> I'd rather have both the packages tested together
[17:20] <shadeslayer> so that yossarianuk doesn't have to do another test xD
[17:20] <Riddell> yeah
[17:24] <yossarianuk> i can wait if need be...
[17:26] <Riddell> yossarianuk: yeah hold off for a few hours
[17:27]  * shadeslayer is wrapping things up for the day
[17:29] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[17:29] <Riddell> ciao
[17:29] <Riddell> or should I say adios?
[17:29] <yossarianuk> ok
[17:29] <yossarianuk> np - got to bath my boy anyway....
[17:30] <yossarianuk> i'll check later
[17:44] <Riddell> yossarianuk: building now, should appear in the archive in < an hour, make sure you set your chroot to use archive.ubuntu.com not xx.archive.ubuntu.com as that'll be a few more hours behind
[18:03] <yossarianuk> Riddell: so do I need to enable proposed updates in the chroot ?
[18:04] <yossarianuk> i'll be doing in about 9 ish UK time I think (if little man goes to sleep...)
[19:15] <yossarianuk> I take it the package  is ready ?
[19:15] <yossarianuk> (UEFI test)
[19:30] <ahoneybun> hello all
[19:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thanks for correcting the ubuntu docs meeting about our docs :)
[19:32] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[19:42] <ahoneybun> lordievader: pretty good excited for my meeting tomorrow, you?
[19:44] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ah your Kubuntu member meeting? Best of luck! I'm doing good, messing with Fluxbox.
[19:47] <ahoneybun> yep thanks nic
[19:47] <ahoneybun> e
[20:25] <yossarianuk> hi - just before i re-install to test the new packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 - I need to chroot + then add proposed-updates, then update grub packages?
[20:26] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Possible usefull: ping some people to get their attention ;)
[20:30] <yossarianuk> riddell: sorry if I have just pinged mutiple times...
[20:31] <yossarianuk> I'd imagine everybodies shut down for the night - I'm going to give it a go and report back.
[20:31] <yossarianuk> there is something liberating about wiping all os's and starting fresh....
[21:23] <yossarianuk> The proposed updates for'https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 seem to work fine from a fresh install
[21:24] <yossarianuk> however it does add a 2nd UEFI entry (you cannot get rid of (whilst the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu folder exists)
[21:24] <yossarianuk> but it boots now.
[21:25] <shadeslayer> please comment on the report :)
[21:25] <yossarianuk> will do - cheers
[21:43] <ahoneybun> anyone have good results dual booting with a lenovo that has 2 different graphics?
[21:44] <mamarley> ahoneybun: I have a T530.  I don't dual-boot, but I know you can disable Optimus and use either the Intel graphics only or the Nvidia graphics only.
[21:44] <yossarianuk> shadeslayer: do I just need to update with my findings or do I need to change the status of the bug, etc ?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> just post a comment
[21:45] <ahoneybun> mamarley: I think that depends on the BIOS
[21:45] <yossarianuk> dine
[21:45] <shadeslayer> with a tag saying "Verification succeeded"
[21:45] <yossarianuk> done
[21:45] <ahoneybun> EFI whatever
[21:45] <yossarianuk> np
[21:45] <mamarley> ahoneybun: It does, but Thinkpads have that option.
[21:45] <ahoneybun> this is a Ideapad
[21:46] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  No experience there.
[21:47] <ahoneybun> mamarley: similiar set up though
[21:47] <ahoneybun> I did get Ubuntu installed with WIndows
[21:47] <ahoneybun> it just gave me a error
[21:47] <ahoneybun> when trying to boot Ubuntu windows worked fine
[21:49] <ahoneybun> mamarley: you do need a nomodeset in the kernel p
[21:50] <ahoneybun> to boot the installer
[21:51] <Riddell> ah missed him
[21:52] <Riddell> mm but it seems to mostly work which is good
[21:52] <Riddell> I'll test it tomorrow too
[21:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell: dearly sorry I missed the ubuntu doc meeting'
[21:53] <mamarley> ahoneybun: I have never actually tried booting mine in Optimus mode.
[21:54] <ahoneybun> mamarley: well I don't really have a choice BIOS/EFI wise I believ
[21:54] <ahoneybun> e
[21:54] <mamarley> ahoneybun: Yeah, I don't think the Ideapad has that option.
[21:57] <ahoneybun> mamarley: yea
[23:06] <Quintasan> wow
[23:06] <Quintasan> https://madiba.encs.concordia.ca/~x_decarn/truecrypt-binaries-analysis/
[23:06] <Quintasan> Somebody had too much time on their hands I guess