[07:39] <dpm> good morning all
[07:40] <andrejz> good morning
[07:42] <dpm> hez andrejz :)
[07:48] <andrejz> I saw oneiric has opened for business ;)
[07:55] <dpm> \o/
[08:00] <dpm> andrejz, you were asking a few days ago if it were possible to display more than 10 strings to translate in Launchpad. It is: just add 'batch=50' (without the quotes) at the end of a translations url, just after the '?' sign (add one if there isn't)
[08:00] <dpm> 50 is the maximum strings you can display
[08:01] <andrejz> dpm, thanks. this will come in handy
[08:01] <andrejz> maybe there could a a "tips and tricks" section somewhere in launchpd
[08:01] <andrejz> launchpad
[08:02] <dpm> andrejz, fancy adding it somewhere in https://help.launchpad.net/Translations? :)
[08:10] <andrejz> sure. unfortunately login keeps timing out for me currently
[08:13] <andrejz> ok, dpm. i managed to login but don't see the edit button anywhere
[08:15] <dpm> andrejz, yes, it's a bit cumbersome, but you need to join this team before being able to edit LP wiki pages:
[08:15] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-doc
[08:16] <dpm> the LP guys did this to prevent spam
[08:17] <andrejz> I applied and will add some bits once i get approved
[09:15] <dpm> thanks andrejz
[09:22] <RawChid> andrejz: you're going to add some "URL hacking" tips?
[09:23] <RawChid> The batch also works here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/nl/?batch=300 (300 is max)
[09:24] <andrejz> yes i plan to do that
[09:24] <andrejz> thanks for the tip RawChid
[09:25] <andrejz> some of these options are really useful but many users aren't aware of that
[09:30] <RawChid> Are you familiar with this: http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/Rachid/TranslationTool
[09:30] <RawChid> We use that to "reserve" packages and for mentoring
[09:36] <andrejz> nope, let me check it out
[09:37] <andrejz> RawChid - how does it work?
[09:39] <andrejz> basically it synchronizes package names and strings from launchpad and then you manually add reserve and such?
[09:39] <RawChid> Yes
[09:40] <RawChid> On the right side you can click on the tool to update the stats with launchpad
[09:41] <RawChid> If you think this is useful, or have remarks/suggestions. I'm glad to hear
[09:43] <andrejz> looks very useful
[09:48] <andrejz> it would be even better if such a feture could be somehow integrated within launchpad so one does not have to visit a sparate wiki
[09:49] <andrejz> in our case we tried to do something similar like you have (without the cool updating about the number of strings from launchpad) and it turned out at some point poeple forget to update wiki and then it quickly becomes a mess
[10:33] <RawChid> andrejz, we had the same problem that the wiki became a mess.  That's why I created this tool.   I totally agree that integrating this into Launchpad would be more usable. But I chose the shortest/easiest route :P
[10:34] <RawChid> Maybe something for the long run
[10:36] <andrejz> i am not sure how difficult is this to implement but in the package translation page you would just have a "Reserve translation" link (next to download and upload translation) and the name of the person who reserved the translation would appear in column right  to the Last translator for let's say 30 days or until the package is translated
[10:40] <RawChid> Hmm, that is an idea
[10:41] <RawChid> But we also wanted to "reserve" reviewers. So that one or two persons would review the suggestions of an "aspirant" member (that is how we work in Dutch Team).
[10:41] <RawChid> Maybe that is just specific for our LoCo
[11:05] <andrejz> we tend to review suggestions quickly (within a day or two after they appear) so reserving reviews is not required in our tem
[11:16] <andrejz> but usually we tend to "reserve" things if the work is substantial
[11:17] <andrejz> if it's 10 minutes of work then we just do it and don+t bother reserving
[12:30] <dpm> RawChid, (and anyone else interested). Perhaps this is interesting for your wiki "reserve translations" tool: I need to announce it to the mailing list, but in the meantime, we've now got a daily export of all translation statistics for all active Ubuntu releases. Rather than screen-scraping you can now get the stats from there. They are exported both in csv (the .log files) and json format
[12:30] <dpm> It's here:
[12:30] <dpm> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n/
[12:39] <andrejz> what i found really useful is the rss feed of packages which need suggestions by romanian team
[12:40] <dpm> yeah, they could also now make use of the data too
[12:42] <andrejz> if anyone is willing to code I am more than happy to do testing and suggestions :)
[13:07] <dpm> when I've got time I'll update the stats generator at http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html to have stats updated daily for oneiric


[14:17] <LjL> no0tic's member cloak is inactive, deactivating from team
[23:07] <compengi> what ubuntu pastebin script do you use?


[11:09] <cjohnston> mdke_: ping
[11:09] <mdke_> cjohnston: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[11:09] <cjohnston> mdke_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=diff&rev1=117&rev2=118  - he is at it again


[05:29] <rama> help
[05:30] <Guest38320> i wants to know about how to change authorize password of laptop
[05:31] <Guest38320> help
[05:34] <Guest38320> help
[05:36] <Guest38320> ramadest
[05:36] <Guest38320> help


[00:33]  * pleia2 finishes up summaries and moves this to wiki
[00:51] <pleia2> Unit193: care to link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue413
[01:13] <Unit193> pleia2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/March2015 is the bad one.
[01:15] <pleia2> Unit193: caught a wiki fail, good one :) thanks, I'll handle the reporting pages now
[01:16]  * pleia2 should probably WRITE team reports too
[01:20] <Unit193> Hah, and sure.
[07:24] <MooDoo> howdy all


[01:43] <mjg59> kylem: Yeah, -rc4 works as well as alsa hg does
[01:45] <kylem> good. ok.
[01:45] <kylem> should have a fix for that this week.
[01:46] <mjg59> Sweet, thanks
[01:46] <mjg59> Oh, yeah, the applesmc driver seems to have gone missing at some point
[01:46] <mjg59> And I'll try to sort out the uvc/isight issue
[01:46] <kylem> thanks.
[01:46] <kylem> appreciate your testing.
[02:30] <mjg59> uvcvideo patch is... awkward
[02:30] <mjg59> How about we just jam in an isight driver?
[02:31] <mjg59> It'll be a damn sight easier
[02:31] <kylem> hmm? why?
[02:31] <mjg59> The patch is against an older version of the driver
[02:31] <kylem> arf :(
[02:31] <mjg59> And there's been enough internal refactoring that I really don't want to bodge it
[02:31] <mjg59> Especially since I have no uvc hardware to check against
[02:35] <mjg59> kylem: How are the lum configs generated?
[02:47] <mjg59> kylem: Ok, got it other than that
[02:56] <mjg59> Oh, applesmc is actually in the kernel now
[02:57] <clever> trying to track down a bug in my kernel modules for a card driver
[02:57] <clever> atm im going thru the current kernels(over 5) and seeing where the problem started
[03:02] <clever> there
[03:03] <clever> reproduced it in every installed kernel(including the oldest apt-get will give)
[03:03] <clever> cant test any farther back without messing with sources.list or building from source
[03:22] <clever> installing a 6.06 kernel on 7.04
[06:03] <bullgard4> !seen mjg59
[06:36] <mjg59> bullgard4: Hi
[07:32] <Endler> Has libata pata_hpt37x been patched in gutsy yet to it initializes the controller properly?
[07:44] <bullgard4> mjg59: Resuming from powersave -U does not resume sound on my Ubuntu 7.04 using kernel 2.6.20-16-generic. Gnome menu System > Preferences > Audio tests all do not produce any sound. The<EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems to discuss kernel version 2.6.22 and higher problems. Where to turn to discuss my problem?
[07:54] <Endler> This seems to be a read only room :)
[08:15] <kraut> moin
[12:19] <Chorus> how do I submit a bug report when I get different errormessages all the time?
[12:34] <BenC> Chorus: is it an oops, or just an error message from the kernel?
[12:41] <Chorus> mostly "kernel null pointer" or "invalid opcode"
[01:04] <BenC> Chorus: invalid opcode sounds like a userspace program issue
[01:05] <BenC> kernel null pointer is an oops, and the backtrace needs to be captured with that for a bug report
[01:06] <BenC> if you get a spew of kernel messages (multiple oopses, and irrelevant other messages), only the initial msg/oops is important
[01:06] <BenC> the rest are likely corruption resulting from the first oops
[01:14] <Chorus> okay
[01:14] <Chorus> I collect a few of them
[01:14] <Chorus> I know that the problem is in the highmen-driver btw
[01:20] <BenC> highmem?
[01:22] <Chorus> CONFIG_HIGHMEM
[01:24] <Keybuk> BenC: how awake are you feeling?
[01:24] <Keybuk> awake enough to discuss /sys/class/usb vs. /sys/class/usb_device? :p
[02:10] <mjg59> bullgard4: I've no idea how powersave works, I'm afraid
[02:34] <bullgard4> mjg59: So powersave is a project independent from the main Debian/Ubuntu ACPI developments? How can I differentiate between the two?
[02:42] <mjg59> bullgard4: I believe kubuntu might use it, but I don't know the details. It's certainly not used in ubuntu.
[02:43] <bullgard4> Ok, thank you.
[03:05] <JanDM_> hi, since alsa 1.0.14 I have a problem with my sound card. So I asked on alsa-devel, and they created a patch, but this patch is not included in ubuntus current alsa version, so i have to compile alsa myself with every kernel update. Would it be possible to include this patch in Gutsy?
[03:05] <JanDM_> it's a very small patch, written by an alsa developer
[03:05] <zul> JanDM_: open up a lp bug report for it and it will get a look at
[03:06] <JanDM_> zul, thanks, I will try it there
[03:07] <zul> hey fabbione
[03:07] <fabbione> hi
[03:13] <doko> fabbione, BenC: currently have this soft lock / kernel hang again, it's interesting that it always is the very same process, dpkg-architecture ...
[03:13] <fabbione> doko: we have seen this on debian buildd too. Davem is looking into it
[03:13] <fabbione> doko: also for kernel sparc now it?s pkl the winner :P
[03:14] <doko> ok, then. on current kernel. will reboot then to be able to use the machine
[04:40] <johanbr> Hi. Is there a place to get the Gutsy kernel source as vanilla 2.6.22 + broken-out patches? I think one of the Gutsy ACPI patches breaks suspend for me.
[04:41] <mjg59> johanbr: Nope
[04:42] <johanbr> Oh. So I have to mess with git? I was hoping to avoid that. :)
[04:44] <kylem> johanbr, you can do it pretty easily
[04:44] <kylem> git log v2.6.22..HEAD -- ${suspicious paths} to see relevant changes
[04:45] <kylem> things should revert cleanly if you do a git revert ${sha1} once you find a commit you think might have broken it.
[04:47] <johanbr> kylem: Great, thank you. And ${suspicious paths} is, say, drivers/acpi ?
[04:47] <kylem> yeah.
[04:48] <johanbr> I'll give that a go. Thanks again.
[04:48] <kylem> np.
[04:48] <kylem> feel free to prod people here if you have some troubles.
[04:59] <arno-t> hi all. I just ran git to get the sources for feisty. should I put them to /usr/src/ or can I compile in a local dir?
[05:00] <mjg59> arno-t: Local directory makes more sense
[05:09] <arno-t> okay thanks. can I just run make? I tried first to customize with make xconfig then make and so on, but I didn't end up with a booting kernel...
[05:21] <zul> BenC: ping http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelBugTriage (alot of good pointers there for debugging)
[06:16] <dholbach> hello
[06:16] <dholbach> can somebody please take a look at bug 114793? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/114793)
[06:19] <mjg59> dholbach: We shouldn't be building the modules
[06:20] <mjg59> They're in the kernel
[06:20] <mjg59> Just bodge the build system so it skips them and produces the userland stuff
[06:20] <dholbach> ok - can you follow up on the bug report? - I don't know much about that to be honest
[06:21] <dholbach> kylem: sorry for badgering you, but can you take a look at bug 57755?
[06:29] <kylem> it looks fine.
[06:29] <dholbach> BenC: I'll retarget bug 124855 for 'later' if you don't mind (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/124855)
[06:31] <dholbach> mjg59: what shall we do about  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/+bug/127273 ?
[06:32] <mjg59> Still considering it
[06:32] <mjg59> I still lean towards ripping it out entirely
[06:33] <mjg59> But that makes for an awkward migration path
[06:33] <dholbach> hm - can you let the patch author know?
[06:41] <dholbach> does a fix of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/82343 in feisty look likely? if not we should reject it
[07:16] <zul> rtg: ping
[07:16] <rtg> zul: png
[07:17] <zul> rtg: why didnt the xen bits get pulled in?
[07:17] <rtg> zul: I emailed BenC about them. Its his area of expertise.
[07:17] <zul> ok
[07:18] <BenC> rtg: feel free to just pull it in and try a custom-binary-xen build
[07:18] <zul> it builds as of yesterday and works fine
[07:19] <rtg> BenC: in a bit then. I've gotta run some errands.
[07:19] <BenC> rtg: ok
[07:24] <rtg> zul: I have not built the xen stuff. How do you do it?
[07:27] <kylem> fakeroot debian/rules custom-binary-xen
[07:28] <rtg> kylem: Thanks. Almost had it figured out.
[07:48] <bdmurray> BenC: ping
[07:48] <BenC> bdmurray: yeah
[07:51] <bdmurray> I was looking at bug 133823 and I wanted to figure out if it was fixed in Gutsy but don't understand the relationship between devices and kernel modules getting autoloaded.
[07:54] <BenC> bdmurray: checking it...
[07:55] <bdmurray> BenC: Okay, thanks.  I'm more curious about the generality than the specific bug though.
[07:56] <BenC> bdmurray: most likely a quirk of the "p54 drivers are a mess" issue
[07:56] <BenC> things are a lot cleaner in gutsy