[16:45] <jollygood> In the cookbook I didn't see anything about analyzing boot with upstart (which I want to do)
[20:05] <sveinse> Any activity here?


[00:17] <charlie-tca> I reported a bug against the Xubuntu Intrepid daily-live cd yesterday, bug #280900.
[00:18] <charlie-tca> Today, another reporter confirmed the issue in the live cd. Can someone confirm the bug?
[02:45] <lfaraone> Hey, is bug 281540 the expected behavior for Ubuntu?
[02:46] <wgrant> lfaraone: Yes, see the bug.
[02:47] <lfaraone> wgrant: Ah, ok. Sorry to bother.
[06:40] <AnAnt> Hello, is there something to add or someone to subscribe to this bug #281451  ?
[07:12] <AnAnt> tseliot: can we continue here ?
[07:12] <tseliot> sure
[07:12] <AnAnt> compiz core dumps
[07:13] <tseliot> I need to see the output. Can you use pastebin to show me what happens?
[07:13] <tseliot> and I would also like to see your xorg.conf
[07:13] <AnAnt> tseliot: http://pastebin.com/m2522f07
[07:15] <AnAnt> tseliot: xorg.conf is uploaded to the bug report now
[07:16] <tseliot> both files look good to me
[07:17] <tseliot> I haven't tried the latest release of Compiz
[07:17] <AnAnt> I had this problem since Hardy btw
[07:17] <tseliot> but I don't see why it should segfault
[07:17] <AnAnt> I upgraded something (nvidia driver maybe)
[07:17] <AnAnt> and since then, no compiz
[07:17] <tseliot> is this a clean installation of Ubuntu?
[07:18] <AnAnt> nope, upgrade
[07:18] <tseliot> If not you could try the livecd, install the nvidia driver from "Hardware Drivers", log out, log in and try to enable Compiz
[07:18] <AnAnt> tseliot: that does not work
[07:18] <AnAnt> tseliot: livecd says that I must reboot
[07:19] <tseliot> ok but just ignore that
[07:19] <tseliot> and simply log out
[07:19] <AnAnt> tseliot: what's 'Disable "dri2"' for
[07:19] <tseliot> and log in
[07:19] <AnAnt> tseliot: tried that, it doesn't work, probably because it doesn't modprobe nvidia ?
[07:19] <tseliot> nothing you should worry about. It's a module that doesn't exist
[07:19] <AnAnt> tseliot: doesn't work, means that X does not work, I have to revert to old xorg config
[07:20] <tseliot> you can try to modprobe the driver manually before you log out
[07:20] <tseliot> sudo modprobe nvidia
[07:20] <AnAnt> tseliot: ok, I'll try that
[07:21] <AnAnt> tseliot: btw, do you know where to find the session about how to use DKMS ?
[07:23] <tseliot> this is about packaging with DKMS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0809/DKMSPackage
[07:23] <AnAnt> yes, thanks
[07:24] <AnAnt> ok, I'll try livecd now
[07:42] <AnAnt1> tseliot: it works in live CD
[07:42] <AnAnt1> I had to use the 173 driver though
[07:43] <tseliot> AnAnt1: ok, please add this to the bug report
[07:43] <AnAnt1> that's wierd though, right ?
[07:45] <AnAnt1> the difference between the 2 xorg.conf is that the installed one got: BusID		"PCI:5:0:0"
[07:50] <tseliot> there's no difference
[07:50] <tseliot> that can't prevent Compiz from working
[07:50] <AnAnt1> should I add any info to the bug report except that it worked with 173 driver on livecd ?
[07:53] <tseliot> maybe try to remove your ~/.config/compiz directory and make sure that
[07:53] <AnAnt1> that what ?
[07:53] <tseliot> "compositing_manager" is not enabled in /->apps->/metacity in gconf
[07:54] <AnAnt1> ok
[07:54] <tseliot> actually it's /->apps->/metacity->general
[07:58] <AnAnt1> ok, anything else before I reboot ?
[07:58] <AnAnt1> any info you need from the live session I mean
[08:00] <AnAnt1> tseliot: ?
[08:02] <AnAnt1> hmmm, rebooting then
[11:05] <rom1v> hi
[11:05] <rom1v> since 2 days ago, nvidia+compiz is unusable in intrepid beta
[11:05] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/281065
[11:07] <persia> There were a couple people troubleshooting something similar about 6 hours ago.  You might want to check the transscript at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/11/%23ubuntu-bugs.html
[11:07] <persia> If course, I could be completely mistaken.
[11:10] <rom1v> I don't think it's the same problem
[11:12] <persia> Hrm.  Then I suspect you'll have to catch one of the people who knows about the nvidia drivers.  I know the kernels changed a bit in the last couple days, so maybe some refresh or something is needed.
[11:13] <tseliot> rom1v: I guess it's a duplicate of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904
[11:16] <rom1v> ok, it seems :)
[11:16] <rom1v> I mark 281065 as duplicate
[11:17] <tseliot> ok
[13:59] <penguin42> did someone run a script over all xorg bugs that asked reporters for log files etc?
[14:21] <balachmar> Hi, is anyone aware of a bug with the nvidia drivers? I wanted to run GuildWars in wine again after upgrading to intrepid. But I get the following message in the terminal NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied). I think that because of this GW doesn't recognize any 3d capabilities and it doesn't start anymore. The same error also appears when I run glxgears.
[14:32] <balachmar> I just posted a bug report: 281747
[14:32] <balachmar> I just posted a bug report: bug 281747
[22:23] <shmengie> 6 leged critters anyone?
[22:23] <shmengie> or is it 8 only?


[04:06] <pavlushka> inetpro: what? you are not bored anymore?
[04:20] <inetpro> pavlushka:  bored? me? never!
[04:21] <pavlushka> well, good for you :)
[08:44] <Kilos> lol
[08:46] <Kilos> morning guys
[08:51] <inetpro> why is he laughing?
[08:52] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:52] <Kilos> i am allowed to laugh
[08:53] <Kilos> seems GadgeteerZA  didnt see what  we wanna do
[08:53] <Kilos> pavlushka  did you keep up yesterday
[09:04] <pavlushka> Kilos: yes
[09:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see how Freenode commited suicide?
[09:04] <inetpro> Freenode commits suicide, is no longer a serious IRC network https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_suicide
[09:04] <Kilos> inetpro  no how?
[09:05] <inetpro> see also, IRC Networks - Top 10 in the annual comparison https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[09:05] <pavlushka> inetpro: they unregistered and banned the ubuntu user names
[09:06] <pavlushka> may be yesterday or the day before
[09:06]  * inetpro failing to understand the reasoning
[09:07] <pavlushka> looks like I am unregistered there and not even able to re-register, so my username is banned from registering also
[09:08] <inetpro> pavlushka: the link above explains it all
[09:08] <pavlushka> with all the channels theses users created
[09:11] <Kilos> i  wonder what was the aim they were hoping for
[09:12] <Kilos> like they dont seems to have scored anything, other than killing freenode
[09:13] <inetpro> maybe that is exactly what they tried to do in the first place?
[09:13] <Kilos> yes but for what reason, unless its a personal vendetta
[09:13]  * pavlushka just laughing
[09:14] <inetpro> they being a small minority of individuals
[09:14] <pavlushka> reading the suicide note
[09:15] <Kilos> i wonder if we will ever hear the truth as to why it was done'
[09:16] <Kilos> revenge from some clever idiot after freenode kick/banned him
[09:16] <inetpro> to be honest, I think it was a simple matter of underestimating the enormity of the task of administering a federated network of networks
[09:17] <inetpro> you can't control it from one point
[09:18] <Kilos> but still, why?
[09:18] <pavlushka> anyways, it was a good run for freenode, RIP
[09:18] <Kilos> isnt it easier to start a new network from scratch
[09:19] <Kilos> yes pavlushka  we spent years on freenode
[09:19] <Kilos> i wonder where all their top admins went
[09:19] <Kilos> like elky
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: the admins are here on liberachat, most of them
[09:41] <Kilos> good
[09:42] <inetpro> meanwhile, Internet outage knocks out airline and central bank websites
[09:42] <inetpro> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/402199-internet-outage-knocks-out-airline-and-central-bank-websites.html
[09:42] <inetpro> pavlushka: you have any idea what happened at Akamai?
[09:43] <pavlushka> inetpro: I had not much idea on freenode before you posted those links
[09:45] <inetpro> okay
[10:03] <pavlushka> and to me that comes as a shock what happened in Akamai


[00:07] <xivulon_> cjwatson, here is the partman log http://paste.ubuntu.com/105013/
[00:09] <cjwatson> khashayar: bug 316618
[00:10] <cjwatson> it was indeed very peculiar, I couldn't actually reproduce it myself, but I *think* I've fixed it
[00:12] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Neither was I, i.e unable to reproduce that issue. had no problem with CD testing.
[00:20] <khashayar> cjwatson: I can confirm that it was fixed here as well. Now waiting for those ubuntustudio disks :-)
[00:29] <cjwatson> khashayar: great, good to have confirmation!
[00:30] <cjwatson> xivulon_: (acknowledged, may take a while to digest)
[00:31] <xivulon_> let me know if there is any further info you need I have the system running atm
[00:31] <cjwatson> I might simply be too tired to attempt it tonight :-/
[00:32] <xivulon_> that makes 2 of us
[00:34] <cjwatson> that's odd, why isn't that device PED_DEVICE_FILE
[00:35] <cjwatson> oh, of course /dev/loop2 wouldn't be
[00:39] <cjwatson> xivulon_: this completely breaks wubi, right?
[00:39] <xivulon_> yes, ubiquity just stops
[00:39] <xivulon_> or better it keeps churning for a long time (until I stop it)
[00:51] <cjwatson> xivulon_: fixed in the parted upload I just did, I *think*
[00:51] <cjwatson> obviously it's possible it will fail later
[00:52] <cjwatson> that said I'm not sure why it's hitting that code path to begin with (that should be for old kernels only, I think), but honestly can't be bothered to figure it out right now :)
[00:53] <xivulon_> cjwatson, thanks, was tempted to try the patch, but have to sleep, will give it a go tomorrow
[19:18] <Ng> I think I found two more bugs, only one of which matters at the moment - I started the installer with a disk tha tpreviously had a couple of primary partitoins and a large logical one used by LVM
[19:19] <Ng> I've removed all the LVs and the VG, but it won't let me remove the LVM partition, it tells me it's still in use by the VG I've removed
[19:20] <Ng> displaying the LVM config in that section tells me there are no volume groups


[14:27] <jibel> \o/ My first successful wubi installation for a long time
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Now jibel is going to hurt me
[14:27] <charlie-tca> the Xubuntu Alternate i386 image fails to install for abiword packages
[14:27] <jibel> charlie-tca, cjwatson will take care of you ;-)
[14:28] <charlie-tca> He is ready to hurt me too, I think
[14:28] <charlie-tca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/567312 , line 3375
[14:46] <jibel> charlie-tca, is it affecting only alternate ?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know yet
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I only tried the Alternate 386 image so far,
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I am running a amd64 install now
[14:49] <charlie-tca> checking the 386 desktop image, too
[15:01] <charlie-tca> jibel: 64bit that worked yesterday fails for the same error
[15:04] <charlie-tca> still waiting on the 386 desktop image to see if it works today
[15:12] <charlie-tca> jibel: both alternate images fail. filing the bug report now
[16:01] <jamiedmattingly> charlie-tca,  ok im on the page for the tests do you mind giving me a pointer to get started?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:04] <charlie-tca> see that "Ubuntu alternate 386" ?
[16:05] <jamiedmattingly> also when i search for iso's for ubuntu i cant find 10.4.2 only 10.4.1?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> click the cd symbol and download the image from the link it gives you
[16:05] <charlie-tca> right, you are in the wrong place to find them.
[16:06] <charlie-tca> the images we are using are in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[16:06] <charlie-tca> use the ones in "current" under each one
[16:06] <jamiedmattingly> ok charlie-tca i see the alternat 386
[16:06] <charlie-tca> We need to do almost all the tests listed in the tracker for that one, so it is a good one to start with
[16:07] <jamiedmattingly> ok cool
[16:07] <charlie-tca> by clicking on the cd symbol, you get to the image link, by clicking on the words, you get to the tests needed
[16:08] <charlie-tca> When you look at the Mandatory testcases, there is a symbol to the left again. It is a link to the actual test to be done
[16:08] <jamiedmattingly> when i clicked on the symbol it said the image wasnt found
[16:08] <jamiedmattingly> i got it from the other link though
[16:09] <charlie-tca> good
[16:09] <charlie-tca> jibel: New tester! jamiedmattingly
[16:10] <charlie-tca> jibel is the person running this test cycle
[16:10] <jamiedmattingly> i had to register on the site but ill start when finished
[16:10] <charlie-tca> While that downloads for you, I am going shower. I will be right back
[16:10] <jamiedmattingly> ok no prob thanks charlie-tca
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:11] <charlie-tca> We appreciate your help
[16:16] <jibel> Hey jamiedmattingly, Welcome and thanks for joining us.
[16:17] <jamiedmattingly> sure im still downloading iso but once i get it in virtual box will start testing jibel
[16:18] <jibel> jamiedmattingly, Great
[16:18] <jibel> don't hesitate to ask if you have any question
[16:19] <jamiedmattingly> oh trust e youll get plenty :0
[16:19] <jamiedmattingly> :)
[16:19] <jibel> :)
[16:20] <jamiedmattingly> im just glad i can help and be a part of
[16:27] <jibel> Hey all, new kubuntu images are available on the tracker.
[16:28] <charlie-tca> jibel: the links to the images from the tracker are bad
[16:28] <jibel> charlie-tca, yeah I know, I 'm not sure I can fix it right now though.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Okay, no problem. I just wanted to make sure we know it
[16:29] <jibel> the latest images for Kubuntu are available there http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/daily-live/current/
[16:30] <jamiedmattingly> when it finishes downloading i figured i would start with the free software part of the 386 alternate is that ok? jibel
[16:31] <jibel> jamiedmattingly, which ISOs did you sync ?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> jamiedmattingly: Great! You can run them any way that works for you.
[16:32] <jibel> jamiedmattingly, at this stage of testing any test in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/notcompleted is good
[16:32] <jamiedmattingly> i386 ubuntu alternate is the one i downloaded is that what you are asking?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> jibel: I gave a direct link to http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[16:33] <jibel> jamiedmattingly, good, there are plenty of uncovered tests there. Choose whichever you feel comfortable with.
[16:34] <jibel> freesoftware is a good start
[16:35] <charlie-tca> hm, I will sync the server images and jump in there now
[16:36] <jibel> charlie-tca, I think zul and JamesPage are taking care of it. can you help with kubuntu instead ?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> I can. I will have to do a complete download, though.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> no problem, I got started!
[16:38] <jibel> charlie-tca, with zsync you can copy another image e.g lucid-desktop-i386.iso to the target file and it will download the difference, that usually saves something like 25% to 30% of the download.
[16:38] <zul> although we would love help on the server isos ;)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> jibel: great! thanks for the tip
[16:39] <jibel> Hey zul, how are you going with server testing ? where do you need help specifically ?
[16:40] <zul> jibel: we are just in the middle of setting hudson up for lucid iso, we could use some warm bodies to do manual testing
[16:41] <jibel> charlie-tca, forget what I said then, server is a priority target, I'll take care of kubuntu.
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, syncing server instead
[16:45] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks.
[17:00] <jibel> charlie-tca, what's the status of xubuntu ? is there a respin coming ?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I hope
[17:01] <charlie-tca> cjwatson was looking into it, deeper, since it should not have been there
[17:02] <charlie-tca> The desktop 64 respin should be running now
[17:06] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks for the update.
[17:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:09]  * jibel testing kubuntu upgrades
[17:09] <jibel> charlie-tca, xubuntu upgrades should be ready for testing because that's only a problem with missing packages on the cd
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[17:10] <charlie-tca> I will try to run them
[17:28] <kamusin> is there any problems with svg images in Natty?
[17:36] <skaet> jibel,  kubuntu is up on iso tracker now, as well as the rebuilt xubuntu amd64.
[17:45] <jibel> skaet, thanks
[17:46] <skaet> jibel, kubuntu dvd's being built, and I think that should be it for the rebuilds, unless you spot any kitten killers.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> killer: Xubuntu alternate images fail completely
[17:51] <skaet> charlie-tca,  details.
[17:51] <skaet> please
[17:52] <skaet> :)
[17:52] <jibel> skaet, bug 719389
[17:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 719389 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu alternate 10.04.2 cd's fail to install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719389
[17:52] <jibel> any news ?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I have no news
[17:54] <skaet> jibel,  can you please set the priority so it shows up on folks radar.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> cjwatson was looking into it
[19:27] <skaet> jibel,  Kubuntu DVD's posted
[20:10] <jamiedmattingly> jibel,  or charlie-tca i have a question about this testing thing if its ok?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> ask, by all means
[20:11] <jamiedmattingly> i ran first test no errors worked as it should at the end of page it said file a bug. do i file a bug it it is ok?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:11] <charlie-tca> just mark the test as passed in the tracker
[20:12] <jamiedmattingly> ok thanks moving on
[20:12] <charlie-tca> We put that on all the test cases as a reminder to file the bugs found during the test
[20:26] <jamiedmattingly_> ok first one coplete and reported charlie-tca
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks for sticking with it. :-)
[20:59] <jamiedmattingly_> charlie-tca,  you here?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:00] <jamiedmattingly_> im doing the second test for ubuntu alternate
[21:01] <jamiedmattingly_> guided resize drive. but it doesnt give the option for resize drive only entire drive. is that a bug?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> are you using a new drive?
[21:03] <jamiedmattingly_> yes
[21:03] <charlie-tca> if the drive never had an install yet, it won't let you do a guided resize
[21:04] <jamiedmattingly_> ok so i have to do it with something else already on it?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Since it is going to squash the partition down and repartition the drive
[21:04] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:04] <jamiedmattingly_> got it thanks charlie-tca
[21:04] <charlie-tca> or skip that one and someone else will pick it up
[21:05] <jamiedmattingly_> its ok ill figure it out
[21:41] <charlie-tca> bug 718749 is fixed; Xubuntu alternate amd64 installed good
[21:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 718749 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Xubuntu i386 Lucid 10.04.2 images will not boot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718749
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Now I have to go fix a hot tub leak, then I can finish xubuntu images
[21:43] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks for your help and good luck with your hot tub leak!
[22:26] <charlie-tca> leaks fixed, back to testing
[22:29] <jibel> charlie-tca, good news for you, I'm finishing xubuntu upgrades, 1 weird bug found. During the upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 on amd64 console-setup is not upgraded.
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks!
[23:26] <jamiedmattingly> charlie-tca,  do i report in here or just log everything on wiki site?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> log on the ISO tracker, but if find a problem, ask here
[23:30] <jamiedmattingly> ok almost done with 2nd one
[23:31] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:31] <jamiedmattingly> are you going to be doing this tommorow?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:32] <charlie-tca> we do this until all them tests are done
[23:33] <charlie-tca> and we will be done tomorrow
[23:35] <jamiedmattingly> i do as many as i can tommorow then i have to go after this test
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Okay
[23:35] <jamiedmattingly> if thats ok charlie-tca
[23:35] <charlie-tca> thanks again
[23:36] <charlie-tca> sure, we will keep testing tomorrow until we finish them all
[23:37] <jamiedmattingly> ok ill be in at 7 pacific ill start then
[23:38] <charlie-tca> that would be great. Just say good morning, jibel. and then look at the list to see what needs to be done.
[23:40] <jibel> thanks for your help jamiedmattingly, your doing a great job. see you tomorrow,
[23:40] <jibel> good morning charlie-tca
[23:41] <jibel> :)
[23:42] <charlie-tca> :-)


[01:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:50] <leftyfb> sarnold: pretty sure Hash is someone from the old EFnet days from about 12 years ago. He used to get banned a lot back then as well
[01:50] <sarnold> leftyfb: that certainly fits with what I know about him... I'm prettysure I've banned him from #ubuntu twice, and he was abusive in PM both times..
[01:51] <sarnold> he sounds like he's trying to change his life around a bit, but some days he's just in a terrible mood and there's no point in trying to reason with him
[01:52] <leftyfb> he used to terrorize an xbox channel I used to help in
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> its been weeks again the troll gang invents issues in main
[01:56] <leftyfb> I think hash has legitimate issues, mainly self-inflicted. But they don't like hearing the solutions
[01:57] <leftyfb> if you notice in their screenshot, Kate is using up over 1G of memory. That speaks volumes
[02:00] <sarnold> yeah. I'm not at all shocked a machine with 64G of ram is using 45G of ram if it's been up for a few hours. that seems completely normal to me.
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:08] <leftyfb> This is the same guy who gave a public ipv6 IP on everyone one of his devices on  his home network. But it's ok, he had private ips on the same interfaces as well :/
[02:09] <leftyfb> So yeah, I'm sure the problem is with Ubuntu
[06:40] <ducasse> hi folks
[07:39] <marcoagpinto> Hi
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> https://www.dropbox.com/s/du3ztl167639mki/ubuntu_2204lts_20220505.png?dl=0
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS in VirtualBox
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> taken yesterday
[07:42] <marcoagpinto> not sure if it is a Ubuntu bug or a VirtualBox bug: when we select to restart Ubuntu, it hangs
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> I mean, it shows the closing image, but it stays there, I have to shut down the VM by clicking in the window close gadget and select "power off blah blah"
[08:31] <ducasse> hi marcoagpinto \o
[08:32] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[08:32] <marcoagpinto> my dear beloved brother!
[08:36] <ducasse> how are you doing?
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> fine, thanks, and you?
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:38] <ducasse> having a morning vape, gonna take a nap soon
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> I will nap in the afternoon too
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:40] <ducasse> i should go into town but i'm lazy, so i'll do that on monday


[01:04] <darkxst> atticus, automatic login should work. file a bug with `ubuntu-bug gdm`
[01:13] <darkxst> jbicha, added the patch for messagetray thing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1088759


[00:19] <Ddorda2> hello, i have a problem when trying to pull a branch: http://ddorda.pastebin.com/d2e2d83e3
[00:24] <wgrant> Ddorda2: It shouldn't be an ugly error like that, but it means you need to get a newer version of bzr
[00:25] <Ddorda2> does it have any PPA or something?
[00:25] <wgrant> Ddorda2: Since you seem to be on Ubuntu, try https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa
[00:25] <Ddorda2> wgrant: thank you for reading my mind
[00:46] <Ddorda2> wgrant: it fixed the problem, thanks a lot :D
[00:46] <wgrant> Ddorda2: Great.
[01:05] <johnf> jelmer: Just noticed you are working on bzr-hg. Are you close to doing another release?
[01:05] <johnf> I was just about to look at the debian package as it is blocking bzr from moving into testing
[02:27] <jonasfa> Do BzrEclipse works with bazaar 2.0?
[02:29] <jonasfa> ??
[02:31] <jonasfa> Do BzrEclipse works with bazaar 2.0?
[02:32] <Tak> jonasfa: probably? try it and see?
[02:59] <RenatoSilva> is there a way to clean bzr --info infos?
[03:01] <Tak> you mean forget the related branches?
[03:31] <RenatoSilva> yes
[03:32] <Tak> you can use the --remember option to make it remember a new one
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> I know, but forget
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> how to forget
[03:33] <Tak> hmm, I don't know of a way
[03:36] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Try looking in .bzr/branch/branch.conf
[03:40] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: I`m already using that ?) I wondered if bzr had an option though
[03:40] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Not that I've seen.
[03:41] <RenatoSilva> s/?)/:)
[03:41] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks anyway
[05:18] <jackalborn> hello again
[05:20] <jackalborn> i just installed bazaar on my windows machine and i'm not quite sure how to share my project with other "scattered acoss the world"
[05:20] <jackalborn> as the page puts it
[05:24] <mzz> jackalborn: if you have server space anywhere you can push to that (using various protocols, the manual lists a few). If you don't have server space of your own you can use launchpad
[05:27] <jackalborn> i cant run a server off my spare machine?
[05:28] <mzz> jackalborn: sure. You may already be running enough of one though. For example: if you have a plain http server on the server, and ssh access to it off your windows system, you're set
[05:28] <wgrant> Or FTP access.
[05:29] <mzz> or that, or being able to run bzr on the server in smart server mode, or one or two others I forgot. I'm currently fighting with the documentation, I thought it had an overview
[05:29] <jackalborn> i'm not really sure how i would tell if this spare computer has ssh or if it's running a http server
[05:29] <mzz> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-reference/index.html#url-identifiers and/or http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/branching_a_project.html but I think I'm not finding the right page
[05:30] <SamB_XP> jackalborn: what OS does it have ?
[05:30] <jackalborn> windows xp
[05:30] <mzz> ok, then it's not running ssh and probably not running an ftp server
[05:30] <SamB_XP> okay, my guess is "no" on both counts
[05:30] <mzz> who do you want to share with?
[05:31] <jackalborn> another computer on the network and another devolper outside of my network
[05:31] <jackalborn> idid find this
[05:31] <jackalborn> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr-0.12/server.htm
[05:31] <mzz> for "outside of my network" you need an internet-facing server, which I'm guessing (hoping :P) this windows xp box isn't
[05:31] <mzz> if this is an opensource project using launchpad is an option
[05:31] <jackalborn> it probaly is not
[05:31] <jackalborn> it's not so much opensource
[05:31] <mzz> if it's not an open project you'd need your own server, or you'd need to communicate by sending each other bundles
[05:32] <jackalborn> indie game dev
[05:32] <mzz> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/sending_changes.html may be of use there
[05:33] <mzz> (haven't read the entire page, sorry)
[05:41] <jackalborn> no worries i'll read it and fill you in on what it says :)
[05:44] <poolfool> Jackalborn: Are you new to revision control in general or just to bazaar
[05:44] <poolfool> Jackalborn: ?
[05:46] <jackalborn> i use revision control at work, perforce. and i've actually set up an svn server on a windows machine and use tortoise cvs
[05:46] <poolfool> Jackalborn: I use perforce at work as well, setup and maintain CVS and SVN at work as well (Yuk).
[05:46] <jackalborn> but i think that whole thing was just luck
[05:47] <jackalborn> yuk is a good word for it
[05:47] <jackalborn> i've also used google code
[05:47] <poolfool> Jackalborn: I found the Scenarios page (http://bazaar-vcs.org/Scenarios) to be of hudge help ...
[05:47] <jackalborn> with tortoisecvs
[05:47] <poolfool> Jackalborn : but maybe you can try each local hosting your own repo and then pass back and forth packs(?)
[05:48] <poolfool> Not pretty but a solution
[05:48] <jackalborn> i'm going to try to set up a repo on my ftp
[05:49] <jackalborn> if that doesnt work then i will definatly be doing that
[05:49] <jackalborn> ugly as it may be
[05:49] <poolfool> I have to say that bzr is a much nicer tool after you learn it ... but the perforce GUI can lead to some bad habits ... Oops
[05:50] <jackalborn> haha
[05:50] <jackalborn> perforce spoils me rotten
[05:51] <wgrant> What's so good about Perforce?
[05:51] <jackalborn> it's simple and i didnt have to set up a thing
[05:51] <jackalborn> check in, check out
[05:52] <jackalborn> no worries
[05:52] <bob2> same with bzr
[05:52] <wgrant> Isn't that rather because somebody already set it up?
[05:52] <jackalborn> although we did have a guy check out the entire depot once by accident
[05:52] <bob2> cd source ; bzr init ; bzr add . ; bzr ci -m "initial import"
[05:52] <jackalborn> wgrant: yes
[05:53] <poolfool> I guess after you have been subjected to CVS hell and some of it's warts (non-atomic) well ... Perforce can be nice.
[05:53] <poolfool> Heaven help you if your meta data gets corrupt ... and your snap shot is old ... Oops.
[05:53] <jackalborn> it took me like 2 weeks to set up that svn server and get it working
[05:53] <jackalborn> and then a month later that machine died
[05:53] <wgrant> SVN is awkward like that.
[05:54] <wgrant> With bzr you don't need any specialised software on the server.
[05:54] <poolfool> I guess one of the 'nice' things about administrating a Perfoce server vs. CVS/SVN is it comes out of the 'box' and just runs on Linux /or/ Windows.
[05:58] <poolfool> I also had to do a lot (less then a week) of hunting around the web to figure out how to setup CVS (and then SVN) on a Linux box with SSH and password authen back to active directory ... kind of crazy.
[06:00] <jackalborn> just reading that hurts my head
[06:00] <jackalborn> i cant even imagine
[06:01] <bob2>  a matter of pointing pam_ldap/nss_ldap at the ad server?
[06:02] <poolfool> Actually I tried the pam_winbindd (I think) ... but the pam_ldap would have been much nicer.
[06:02] <wgrant> If you have SFU on the AD server, sure.
[06:02] <poolfool> SFU ?
[06:02] <wgrant> But most people use winbind or likewise, I believe.
[06:03] <wgrant> Services for Unix. IIRC it adds some attributes to AD to make it less impossible to use nss_ldap with.
[06:03] <poolfool> Ahhhh .... I tried that .... long time ago and well ... I hear it's much better in the last 5 years.
[06:04] <poolfool> But again. Lets say I was setting up Bzr on an Linux box, I have an Active Directory server for my company.
[06:04] <poolfool> Lets say SSH access, how would I tie access back to the AD ... key here is single password (or key) per user to cut down on their end?
[06:48] <jackalborn> so i set up an ftp server on my other computer and i'm able to connect to my repot and it's trunck from this computer
[06:49] <jackalborn> but now i cant seem to do anything with it all the buttons in bazzar give me an error
[06:49] <jackalborn> "Action not yet supported by current app_suite
[06:53] <poolfool> Jackalborn: .... I am guessing you are using the new gui interface (gnome)?
[06:58] <jackalborn> windows gui interface
[06:59] <jackalborn> think i got it working though
[07:00] <poolfool> Jackalborn: I use the command line mostly .. different from perforce but you can do a /lot/ from the command line.
[07:07] <lifeless> davidstrauss: as answered; bzr uses a _heavily_ extended verrsion of python's unittest. If you want a easy-to-write-tests-in-environment, nose is good
[07:08] <lifeless> its also, like bzr's tests, a single extension dimension - you only get to step away from the core unittest once.
[07:08] <lifeless> davidstrauss: grab me Monday/Tuesday and I'll happily give you a quick rout of some other things you can use
[07:09] <lifeless> testtools isn't a testing framework, its useful flue for folk maintaining test suites
[07:09] <lifeless> subunit also isn't a framework, but its great interoperabolity glue between tests and reporting toolchains (e.g. things like Hudson)
[07:43] <jackalborn> thank you all for all your help
[07:43] <jackalborn> night
[08:42] <dash> how do I keep bzr svn-import from consuming 10G of RAM when importing my svn repo? :)
[08:43] <mzz> is there a nice way to spit out a series of patches (one per rev) to separate files? "bzr log -p" is close, but I'd have to manually split it into files, or invoke it in a loop, or something
[08:52] <spiv> dash: do it incrementally, I guess.
[08:53] <spiv> dash: I assume you're running the latest, shiniest bzr and bzr-svn and subvertpy?
[08:55] <dash> bzr 2.0, bzr-svn 1.0
[08:56] <dash> i am doing it incrementally
[08:57] <dash> that just means it spends as much time in the spin-up phase as in the actual import phase
[15:21] <arkanes> any idea how I can fix: bzr: ERROR: No such file: 'f2jvnez07njqaw00l791.pack': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Applications/World of Warcraft Public Test/Interface/AddOns/.bzr/repository/upload/f2jvnez07njqaw00l791.pack'?
[15:21] <arkanes> command is just 'bzr merge'
[15:25] <arkanes> huh, createing an "upload" directory under .bzr/repository fixed it
[18:37] <MAfifi> Hi. I'm running fedora 10 64-bit. I installed bzr as an rpm using yum. I then downloaded the qbzr plugin and placed it in the plugins directory ~/.bazaar/plugins/. Now when I issue the command "bzr self test qbzr", I get the error message "
[18:37] <MAfifi> bzr: ERROR: No module named elementtree.ElementTree
[18:38] <MAfifi> You may need to install this Python library separately.
[18:39] <MAfifi> The version installed by yum is 1.16.1.
[18:51] <mathepic> Just don't use qbzr
[18:51] <mathepic> Command line is so much cooler
[18:52] <mathepic> Sorry, terminal. "Windows" terms have gotten into my head. Eek.
[18:53] <MAfifi> I originally installed qbzr as a dependency for qbzr-explorer.
[18:55] <mathepic> If I recall
[18:55] <mathepic> ElementTree is extremely recommended for bazaar
[18:55] <mathepic> but not needed
[18:55] <mathepic> Like, i think it speeds up performance on XML by A LOT.
[18:55] <mathepic> Let me find the page
[18:57] <mathepic> I can't find the exact page
[18:57] <mathepic> I'm not an expert on Fedora since I use Ubuntu, but this package looks like it should do it
[18:57] <mathepic> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/python-elementtree
[19:05] <luks> it is needed by bzr
[19:05] <luks> all the xml serializers/deserializers use it
[19:06] <luks> but it's been built-in since python 2.4 or 2.5
[19:06] <MAfifi> Anyway, it's no longer built in fedora 10 and upwards.
[19:06] <luks> what version of python and bzr are you using?
[19:06] <MAfifi> Yes, I've python 2.5 installed system-wide(the one used by default_.
[19:07] <MAfifi> But the problem is that it still complains about it not existent.
[19:07] <luks> can you try running the command with -Derror
[19:07] <MAfifi> I think I might have figured out the problem from bazaar log.
[19:07] <luks> and pastebin the whole traceback?
[19:07] <luks> something is probably not using the builtin module
[19:08] <MAfifi> Actually it was refering to elementtree.ElementTree inside bzrlib.
[19:08] <luks> yes, I wanted to know where exactly
[19:08] <MAfifi> I don't have the log(; I've deleted it in favour of a fresh install of bzr 2.0).
[19:08] <MAfifi> I've installed 2.0, and going to try over.
[19:09] <MAfifi> I installed it using easy_install; hope it works this time.
[19:10] <mathepic> Also, qbzr technically isn't a requirement for Bazaar Explorer - When I was looking into it, I think it said you can configure it to use bzr-gtk instead
[19:11] <MAfifi> I didn't have either, so I decided to try with qbzr.
[19:13] <luks> mathepic: it is a requirement for bazaar explorer
[19:13] <luks> it builds on qbzr
[19:13] <luks> you can tell it to use bzr-gtk
[19:14] <mathepic> "If you wish to use bzr-gtk dialogs with Explorer, select gtk as the application suite. gtk will only appear as an option if you have the bzr-gtk plugin installed."
[19:14] <mathepic> Do a search for gtk at http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/explorer/en/visual-tour-gnome.html
[19:14] <luks> ok, we can excange quotes :)
[19:14] <luks> "BzrExplorer provides most of its functionality by calling out to mini-applications provided by "application suites", namely the QBzr and bzr-gtk plugins. QBzr is required while bzr-gtk is optional."
[19:15] <mathepic> Contradicting documentation
[19:15] <luks> not really
[19:15] <mathepic> Mine makes it sound like you can replace the qbzr applets with gtk applets
[19:15] <luks> you can
[19:15] <luks> but note that BE is a Qt application
[19:15] <mathepic> Ahh.,
[19:15] <luks> it uses some of qbzr's functionality internally
[19:16] <luks> you *can* use bzr-gtk for external dialogs where possible
[19:16] <mathepic> K
[19:16] <mathepic> Terminal is still the fastest way to go. :D
[19:17] <luks> browsing history on terminal is definitely not the fast way to go
[19:18] <luks> bzr log / <copy> / bzr diff -c <paste> / hm, no bzr st -c <paste> / back to bzr log / <copy> / bzr diff -c <paste>, and so on :)
[19:18] <luks> that's now very efficient
[19:18] <MAfifi> Partially good news! "bzr selftest qbzr" doesn't complain now.
[19:18] <mathepic> Cool.
[19:18] <MAfifi> It seems qbzr(at least the version I downloaded) was built against the latest version of qbzr.
[19:20] <mathepic> Err, typo?
[19:21] <MAfifi> However, I still get some failing tests as illustrated here: http://pastebin.com/d7ff6f5fd
[19:22] <MAfifi> However, the self test of the explorer plugin itself is fine.
[19:23] <mathepic> Personally, I wouldn't worry about it all that much.
[19:27] <MAfifi> Me, neither.
[19:29] <MAfifi> And now the big surprise, "bzr explorer" works. Thanks to all of you guys for your suggestions/hints.
[20:21] <luke-jr> I'd like to cleanup/fix the Bazaar repositories for a project. Is anyone available who might be able to assist me? :)
[20:59] <mathepic> What do you mean "cleanup/fix the Bazaar repositories"
[22:11] <RenatoSilva> Suggestion for bzr: when committing, ask the user if he wants to add the unknown files that appeared since last commit.
[22:12] <dash> Man. that would be super annoying
[22:12] <RenatoSilva> why
[22:12] <Peng_> He said the *new* unknown files, so it wouldn't be *that* annoying.
[22:13] <dash> yeah that would be less bad.
[22:14] <RenatoSilva> For example: bzr status = file 1; touch file2; bzr commit ---> The following new files has been added since your last commit: file2, do you want to add them before  committing? [Y/n]
[22:14] <dash> RenatoSilva: write an extension :)_
[22:15] <Peng_> That reminds me, I need to turn off the strict pushing thing.
[22:15] <mathepic> Yes, please
[22:16] <Peng_> "Yes, please" what?
[22:16] <mathepic> I think I've done 3 commits today where immediately after committing I realized I didn't add the files yet
[22:17] <RenatoSilva> mathepic: I committed and pushed once without remembering to add the files, that's the main reason for my suggestion :)
[22:17]  * wgrant wonders why people don't 'bzr st' more often.
[22:18] <Peng_> wgrant: Cuz we think we remember the status.
[22:19] <dash> wgrant: also the unknown files list is at the bottom
[22:20] <dash> pushing the interesting part off the top of the terminal :)
[22:20] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: in my case, status just does not have my attention all the time. When I added the files, that was not pretty clear in my mind, so that "oh mush bzr add", it was more like "oh these are my changes"
[22:20] <dash> also there's like a zillion unversioned files
[22:21] <RenatoSilva> dash: doesn't bzr have extensions lists for ignoring files?
[22:21] <wgrant> Why? They aren't ignored?
[22:21] <dash> RenatoSilva: Yeah but they don't all have the same extension
[22:21] <dash> RenatoSilva: also some files I'd want to add have the same extensions
[22:23] <RenatoSilva> dash: if they have the same extensions but you want to ignore just some of them, then you must not add the extension to ignore list right?
[22:24] <mathepic> RenatoSilva: Yeah, I did that three times today. Luckily it was to my own project...
[22:26] <dash> RenatoSilva: yes! I did not.
[22:28] <RenatoSilva> dash: by extension you mean a bzr plugin?
[23:16] <RenatoSilva> bug 448310 :)
[23:20] <RenatoSilva> where's the bug bot ha
[23:22] <RenatoSilva> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/448310
[23:27] <mathepic> That would be better as a blueprint, if bazaar supports them
[23:27] <mathepic> And Bazaar does, so yeah...
[23:27] <mathepic> Its not really a bug
[23:28] <RenatoSilva> bugs also are feature requests
[23:28] <wgrant> Blueprints are very, very rarely a better idea.
[23:28] <wgrant> That is more appropriate as a bug.
[23:28] <RenatoSilva> afaik blueprints are for BIG feature requests
[23:29] <luke-jr> is it possible for files and revisions to have multiple ids?
[23:29] <mathepic> Oh
[23:29] <mathepic> Wow
[23:29] <mathepic> One of my most hated grammar mistakes
[23:30] <mathepic> "Remember him to do this"
[23:30] <mathepic> And its in the bug title
[23:31] <RenatoSilva> mathepic: sorry I'm not English native haha
[23:31] <RenatoSilva> mathepic: what's the right form?
[23:31] <mathepic> RenatoSilva: Remind
[23:31] <luke-jr> ...
[23:40] <luke-jr> :/
[23:40] <luke-jr> so I have 3 bazaar trees
[23:40] <luke-jr> README in all 3 refers to the same file
[23:40] <luke-jr> but they have different file-ids
[23:40] <luke-jr> how can I make the 3 trees cross-mergable?
[23:44] <wgrant> luke-jr: /win 2
[23:44] <wgrant> Argh.
[23:45] <wgrant> luke-jr: There's probably something in bzr-rebase to help with that.
[23:45] <wgrant> luke-jr: But you'd have to modify the history of two of the trees to be compatible with the third.
[23:48] <wgrant> Hm, no, rebase probably won't work.
[23:49] <wgrant> Bug #231674 is relevant.
[23:50] <luke-jr> wgrant: we have numerous branches in the wild. I don't want to break their mergability
[23:50] <luke-jr> wgrant: I really need a repository which can understand that files have multiple file-ids
[23:50] <luke-jr> and tolerate any of them on merging trees
[23:51] <luke-jr> does such a format exist, and if not, how hard would it be to make a custom format for it?
[23:51] <johnf> jelmer: you about?
[23:51] <wgrant> luke-jr: There was a discussion recently (on the bazaar mailing list, maybe?) about having revision ID aliases, but there's nothing done about that yet.
[23:52] <luke-jr> :/
[23:52] <wgrant> luke-jr: How did these multiple sets of history come about?
[23:52] <luke-jr> wgrant: bzr-svn's shortfalls
[23:52] <luke-jr> or rather, that's part of the cause
[23:52] <luke-jr> wgrant: our project is very old
[23:52] <luke-jr> we in fact have 6 data sources for the repositories
[23:53] <luke-jr> original CVS
[23:53] <luke-jr> forked CVS #1
[23:53] <luke-jr> forked CVS #2
[23:53] <luke-jr> Subversion migration
[23:53] <luke-jr> bzr-svn branch of Subversion trunk
[23:53] <wgrant> luke-jr: Heh, the alias thing came up in exactly the bzr-svn case...
[23:53] <luke-jr> bzr-svn branch of Subversion 0.2.8
[23:53] <luke-jr> the two bzr-svn branches are incompatible at the moment
[23:53] <wgrant> Sounds like you imported it badly.
[23:54] <wgrant> bzr-svn can do branches/tags fine if you tell it to.
[23:55] <wgrant> If I were in your situation, I think I would declare a flag day and declare one history as canonical.
[23:56] <luke-jr> no, it can't.
[23:57] <luke-jr> wgrant: both branches have active development. we can't do that.
[23:58] <wgrant> luke-jr: You would prefer to maintain a custom repository format forever rather than writing a bit of conversion code?
[23:58] <luke-jr> wgrant: hmm, that might be an option
[23:58] <luke-jr> is it possible to change file-ids easily?
[23:59] <wgrant> luke-jr: See the conversation transcript in the bug I referenced. It suggests how to do it with rebase.
[23:59]  * luke-jr doesn't see what rebase has to do with this O.o


[07:01] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:01] <jibel> morning seb128
[07:02] <seb128> lut jibel, ça va ? une journée et le w.e !
[07:04] <jibel> seb128, ça va bien, le w.e approche. et toi?
[07:04] <jibel> seb128, des choses de prévu?
[07:04] <seb128> ça va bien, j'ai dormi jusqu'à 8h et c'est vendredi !
[07:05] <seb128> tennis ce soir, on va à un mariage demain, rien de spécial dimanche
[07:05] <seb128> et vous ?
[07:05] <jibel> demain kayak et dimanche j'ai une salle de bain à finir de carreler, repos en qq sorte
[07:06] <seb128> :)
[07:11] <duflu> Morning seb128, jibel
[07:11] <seb128> hey duflu, happy friday! how are you?
[07:12] <duflu> seb128, I'm OK. How bout you?
[07:15] <seb128> I'm good
[07:15] <Mirv> aware of any bug or reports about keyboard randomly stopping to work in a desktop session on 18.04? it has happened a couple of times, I can switch to terminal and back and I can use touchpad to eg close windows and log out, but I haven't figured out how to restore keyboard into working state other than logging out
[07:15] <Mirv> IOW if you know of such and need me to do something when it happens the next time, let me know
[07:15] <sarnold> Mirv: please forgive me for asking "did you check if it's plugged in"-level question...
[07:15] <Mirv> otherwise I'll just continue to think about it on my own when it happens
[07:16] <sarnold> Mirv: did you bychance hit ^Q and neglect to hit ^S?
[07:16] <seb128> duflu and tjaalton discussed that the other day iirc
[07:16] <Mirv> sarnold: lol, it's useful to ask that level of questions, but it's the internal keyboard
[07:16] <seb128> Mirv, do you use any shell extension?
[07:16] <seb128> if so I would start by disabling those
[07:16] <Mirv> sarnold: none of keys work, but I still have that workrave extension, I hope it's also not causing this :D
[07:16] <Mirv> yeah, I guess I should try to keep breaks without workrave for a while and see if it still happens
[07:16] <seb128> disable it and see?
[07:17] <Mirv> yep, good idea
[07:17] <duflu> Mirv, I think some people are reporting that for the Super key..?
[07:17] <sarnold> Mirv: okay. I just know that for some reason people's keypresses keep falling through to the 'terminal' behind X and then *nothing* works correctly.
[07:17] <Mirv> duflu: for me I can't type anywhere, alt-tab, super, ie nothing works
[07:17] <Mirv> sarnold: ok, I'll keep that mind, I know of such behavior from the past but I think my keys went nowhere
[07:18] <Mirv> thanks for the ideas
[07:18] <duflu> Mirv: No, Super was the cause. Or entering the Activities Overview was. Try and remember what you did last next time it happens
[07:18] <Mirv> the good thing, other than to my physical health, would be if it's just workrave
[07:18] <Mirv> duflu: ah... ok, right
[07:25] <Mirv> ok people it's just happening again, this is from text console...
[07:25] <Mirv> and it's not just keyboard, I can't also select text in eg terminal windows with mouse
[07:26] <Mirv> but Dock and system menus work etc
[07:26] <Mirv> and what I was doing I think was just idling (using another laptop for a few minutes), then I started using this computer again
[07:26] <Mirv> ideas welcome
[07:27] <Mirv> eg when terminal window is selected, the focus is not there ie cursor is not solid rectangle
[07:28] <Mirv> and this happened after disabling the workrave extension
[07:28] <Mirv> sarnold: duflu: seb128: sorry for pinging but if you want me to try something ^
[07:29] <duflu> Mirv, starting to sound a little like bug 1181666, which is in active discussion
[07:33] <sarnold> Mirv: wow..
[07:33] <Mirv> duflu: ctrl-alt-t is mentioned there as working, but it's not for me
[07:34] <seb128> Mirv, I woul;d recommend filing a bug upstream, they know their project better and be more able to help debugging than us
[07:34] <sarnold> that bug is from 2013? oof
[07:34] <duflu> Mirv, I think that's a different issue although haven't seen it in a while: bug 1705348
[07:34] <Mirv> no keyboard or mouse presses are recognized by windows. but interesting, it's not that keyboard does not work - I can open Activities, focus the search field and type there normally
[07:35] <Mirv> duflu: no, this is more like "keyboard and mouse do not work anywhere but Shell itself"
[07:35] <Mirv> seb128: yeah, I should do that
[07:35] <duflu> Mirv, sounds like bug 1181666 still
[07:36] <Mirv> interesting, Super does not bring up Activities but if I open Activities with mouse, I can close it with Super
[07:36] <Mirv> duflu: ok
[07:36] <Mirv> anyway, I start to have a good collection of symptoms for now
[07:38] <Mirv> and I have finally a workaround not requiring log out, thank goodness. 1. Open Activities with touchpad, 2. Press Alt-F2 (only works if Activities is open), 3. gnome-shell -r
[08:31] <GunnarHj> Good morning seb128!
[08:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Time to look at a (very simple) g-c-c MP?
[08:31] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+git/gnome-control-center/+merge/353670
[08:46] <GunnarHj> Good morning seb128!
[08:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Time to look at a (very simple) g-c-c MP?
[08:46] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+git/gnome-control-center/+merge/353670
[08:46] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, happy friday! how are you?
[08:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm fine, thanks. Hope you are as well.
[08:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, I saw that one when I moderated the ubuntu-desktop@ email just a bit earlier, it's on my list now for this morning
[08:47] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, great. Maybe upload to, so the region module starts working again?
[08:48] <seb128> yes, let me just finish the n-m work I'm doing
[08:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure, no emergency. :)
[09:19] <duflu> seb128, do you have any idea why your comments about the radeon card appears in email and notifcations, but not on the card itself?
[09:19]  * duflu wonders what other comments he's missed over the years
[09:20] <seb128> duflu, my web browser acted weird and wasn't displaying the content of the comment so I deleted and tried to add again
[09:20] <duflu> OK. You found a Trello bug
[09:20] <seb128> but I think it's just firefox that was in a weird state, I noticed other rendering issue then
[09:20] <seb128> it seems fine again after restarting
[09:20] <seb128> got figure :/
[09:20] <seb128> go*
[09:21] <seb128> so yeah, I did actually delete to add them again, hopefully there is no bug that made anyone miss content :)
[09:22] <duflu> I don't read notifcations, but follow the link straight to the card. Hopefully that bug won't happen often
[09:22] <seb128> yeah
[09:23] <seb128> duflu, commented again, seems all fine on my side now
[09:23] <seb128> sorry for the noise/weirdness
[09:23] <duflu> Yes I got it now
[09:24] <duflu> I also can't spell notification today
[09:24] <duflu> That's the 4th time at least
[09:40] <andyrock> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+git/gnome-online-accounts/+merge/353636
[09:41] <andyrock> and hey! :)
[09:41] <seb128> hey andyrock, yes you are next on my list :)
[09:41] <seb128> I just replied to the snapd comment on the trello
[09:41] <andyrock> thx! <3
[09:41] <seb128> might be worth checking with mvo but I don't think 3.25.1 is out yet
[09:41] <seb128> I'm pretty sure cosmic will get it once it is though
[09:45] <seb128> andyrock, the diff looks weird
[09:45] <seb128> oh ignore that
[09:45] <seb128> "Binary files a/debian/patches/0001-ubuntu-sso-provider.patch and b/debian/patches/0001-ubuntu-sso-provider.patch differ"
[09:45] <seb128> that's why there is no actual diff
[09:45] <duflu> UTF-8 maybe?
[09:46] <seb128> binary content in the patch
[09:46] <seb128> that patch has png icons included
[09:48] <andyrock> seb128: yeah :(  not sure it there is a better way to deal with this
[09:48] <seb128> split the patch in 2 I would say
[09:48] <seb128> one with the icons that can't be diffed
[09:48] <seb128> and one with the code
[09:48] <seb128> so at least the code changes can be easily reviewed
[09:49] <andyrock> makes sense to me
[09:49] <andyrock> I'll do next time I need to edit something
[09:49] <seb128> thx
[09:53] <seb128> andyrock, uploaded
[09:53] <seb128> (&merged)
[09:59] <seb128> GunnarHj_, yours as well
[10:03] <seb128> GunnarHj_, which is failing to build because "locales" can't be installed :/
[10:04] <seb128> andyrock, btw did you also do the totem merge/rebase for Ubuntu or only the Debian update?
[10:11] <andyrock> seb128: only the debian one
[10:11] <andyrock> do you want me to look at it?
[10:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: Saw that. Is it because the latest glibc is stuck in -proposed?
[10:11] <seb128> andyrock, k
[10:11] <seb128> GunnarHj, could be, but it builds against proposed so it should get anything available there
[10:17] <andyrock> seb128: do you use dpkg-mergechangelogs to merge changelogs?
[10:18] <seb128> no, maybe I should? ;)
[10:18] <seb128> I don't merge changelogs in fact
[10:18] <seb128> I usually just drop the old entries and put the merge summary one as the only diff on top
[10:18] <andyrock> ah ok
[10:19] <andyrock> using this I get http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/dpkg-mergechangelogs.1.html
[10:20] <seb128> andyrock, you mean? you get the mangpage where?
[10:20] <andyrock> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gHp8xzsdkf/
[10:20] <andyrock> i mean using what's written in the manpage :)
[10:20] <andyrock> wrong order of links
[10:20] <andyrock> wondering if it's ok too
[10:20] <andyrock> or just one entry on top is fine
[10:21] <seb128> andyrock, I think that diff is right
[10:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: locales was not built...
[10:22] <seb128> it looks like that by design they sort it by date of changes
[10:22] <seb128> so you get a chronological order
[10:22] <seb128> not a versioned order
[10:23] <seb128> or maybe not?
[10:23] <andyrock> seb128: line 84 of the diff
[10:23] <seb128> andyrock, anyway, I would just trust the tools/accept that what is does it right, it doesn't matter much anyway, as long as the first entry in the upload one
[10:23] <andyrock> kk
[10:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, in fact it's due to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.28-0ubuntu1
[10:27] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, another minor xorg stack update availabe is xbitmaps if you feel like doing it :) and xserver-xorg-input-evdev and  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics needs merging to cosmic (I can do those if you want)
[10:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Right. Which does not include the locales binary. Suppose that infinity will attend to it soon.
[10:28] <seb128> GunnarHj, did you point that to him yet?
[10:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: No. I pinged him now. :)
[10:29] <tjaalton> seb128: I'm not sure the diff makes much sense anymore, since evdev isn't used by default
[10:29] <tjaalton> evdev diff that is
[10:29] <seb128> tjaalton, syncing wfm
[10:29] <seb128> I just want those red lines off my summary :p
[10:30] <tjaalton> evdev synced
[10:30] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, it's not that update doesn't include locales, it's just that this binary is arch all so built on amd64 and that just finished building
[10:30] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.28-0ubuntu1/+build/15300579 has it
[10:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, so already solved, just need to wait for a publisher cycle
[10:31] <seb128> well, the ftbfs on some of the archs might be problematic still though
[10:31] <tjaalton> seb128: you can merge -synaptics if you need it soon
[10:32] <tjaalton> i can't get to my work desktop machine atm, seems to be having network issues
[10:32] <seb128> tjaalton, I don't especially "need" it, just tried to get that summary clean but at the end it's probably not really useful and red lines are going to stack again now that we hit ff
[10:32] <seb128> I just tried to get in shape at the ff point
[10:32] <seb128> tjaalton, k, it's a pretty simple merge, I'm going to do it :)
[10:33] <tjaalton> btw I have mesa 18.2.0~rc4 on a staging ppa
[10:33] <seb128> ha, nice
[10:33] <seb128> shame you missed ff now
[10:33] <seb128> (unless they shift it as being discussed on other channels)
[10:33] <tjaalton> business as usual with mesa
[10:34] <seb128> tjaalton, also do you know what's the deal with wayland? 1.15.0 vs 1.15.94?
[10:34] <seb128> debian/we avoid to update for a reason or it just didn't happen?
[10:35] <tjaalton> guess it's just because of summer
[10:37] <seb128> do we want the update in cosmic?
[10:37] <tjaalton> I don't know
[10:37] <tjaalton> and it's "just" a release candidate
[10:38] <tjaalton> not many actual changes in it
[10:38] <seb128> right, I just had a look
[10:39] <seb128> some overflow fixes that seems that could be useful but otherwise almost nothing
[10:39] <seb128> tjaalton, thx for the replies to my not-so-interesting questions :)
[10:39] <tjaalton> yw
[10:52] <tjaalton> another thing I'd like to get in cosmic is the split vulkan packaging.. vulkan-headers is in but the rest is not uploaded to debian yet
[10:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ah, thanks for explaining.
[11:32] <andyrock> seb128: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/totem/merge_requests/4/diffs
[11:32] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 4 in totem "debian/control*: Drop dependency on libxtst-dev" [Opened]
[11:32] <andyrock> I just noticed this
[11:32] <andyrock> not a priority
[12:05] <seb128> andyrock, thx
[12:43] <andyrock> Trevinho: seb128: do we need to rename python-compizconfig to python3-compizconfig here? https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/ccsm-python3/+merge/351940
[12:44] <Trevinho> I guess so... However since we only have one...
[12:45] <andyrock> Trevinho: it's used here
[12:45] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FuNt7Q5C/
[12:45] <andyrock> unity-autopilot it's using a bunch of python2 packages
[12:47] <seb128> andyrock, we should rename, also if there are rdepends still needing the python2 bindings we should still have a python2 version
[12:47] <seb128> or port those
[12:47] <seb128> in any case that sounds like that needs a ffe to land that late in any case
[12:47] <andyrock> muktupavels ^^^
[12:48] <andyrock> I suggest renaming it and port unity-autopilot
[12:48] <muktupavels> where are sources for unity-autopilot?
[12:50] <andyrock> unity
[12:50] <andyrock> just try to modify the config file using python3- instead of python-
[12:52] <andyrock> muktupavels: ah you did rename it
[12:53] <andyrock> so you need to propose a change for unity too
[12:56] <muktupavels> unity-autopilot is all python2, right?
[13:04] <andyrock> I guess
[13:05] <andyrock> so maybe just keeping the python-compizconfig around should be fine too
[13:07] <andyrock> I mean both python-compizconfig and python3-compizconfig
[13:07] <andyrock> in case the changes you made are not retro-compatible with python2 you need further changes
[13:11] <muktupavels> can you add that as comment in merge proposal?
[13:24] <andyrock> kk
[13:24] <muktupavels> pylint --py3k * in autopilot dir says - Your code has been rated at 9.85/10
[13:24] <muktupavels> has anyone used that, does that mean that it is more or less compatible with python3?
[13:29] <andyrock> I guess, but I would suggest you to go with option 1) in my comment
[13:29] <andyrock> just build both packages
[13:31] <andyrock> seb128: totem almost ready
[13:31] <andyrock> I tested in a schroot, I'll try it on a VM just to be sure it works properly
[13:32] <muktupavels> well, I dont know how to do that...
[13:35] <andyrock> muktupavels: take a look to another packages that does the same
[13:35] <andyrock> most of them actually have support for both
[13:37] <muktupavels> andyrock, did you want to push something? https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/python3-autopilot
[13:37] <andyrock> muktupavels: just wanted to try to build with bileto but I saw later that there is some python2 code there
[13:38] <muktupavels> where did you see that?
[13:43] <seb128> andyrock, k, seeing the changes it's not very likely to be problematic so minimal testing is probably ok
[13:43] <seb128> epecially that it's not a key component to the session and not a stable serie
[13:45] <seb128> brb, changing location
[14:03] <andyrock> muktupavels: found a print without ( and I realized it :P
[14:09] <seb128> tjaalton,  libxinerama also has a new minor revision available :)
[14:09] <seb128> tjaalton, & libxkbcommon
[14:09] <seb128> & libxss
[14:09] <seb128> that's it :p
[14:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: There seems to be a need to start the g-c-c build again for some archs.
[14:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, done
[14:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great, keeping my fingers crossed. :)
[14:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Btw, do you know if the team generally has dropped the ninja() workaround in the affected Meson packages?
[14:38] <seb128> I don't think we did actively
[14:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: Would be good if that could be accomplished in 18.10. In some cases it doesn't matter at all, but in some cases it affects .desktop files etc.
[14:40] <seb128> k, I'm going to keep on that when do the updates to stable GNOME
[14:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks!
[14:40] <seb128> thank you for the reminder!
[14:41] <GunnarHj> np
[14:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.29.90-1~ubuntu2 nudging worked
[14:41] <GunnarHj> Yay!
[15:52] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[15:53] <Trevinho> bye seb128 enjoy your we
[15:53] <seb128> thanks Trevinho, you too
[15:53] <Trevinho> still some hours to get there :D
[16:08] <muktupavels> andyrock, Trevinho: can you look / comment why unity fails? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3336/+packages
[16:24] <muktupavels> andyrock, Trevinho: arm64 fails to build, all other fails running tests...
[16:59] <andyrock> mmm muktupavels are they failing on a local build too?
[17:01] <muktupavels> andyrock, did not try... I dont have install compiz and/or unity.
[17:02] <andyrock> muktupavels: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/unity/fix-build/+merge/353719 what's this for?
[17:03] <muktupavels> andyrock: because cmake fails... because of this - https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/cmp0002/+merge/350723
[17:04] <andyrock> kk
[17:04] <muktupavels> failing build and/or tests does not seems to be related to my changes...
[17:05] <andyrock> I guess so but still we need to make those tests pass :)
[17:06] <muktupavels> arm64 does not build.
[17:08] <muktupavels> I will try to build unity in vm.
[17:08] <muktupavels> how to run tests / unity-autotest?
[17:17] <andyrock> muktupavels: you need to install python3-autopilot
[17:18] <andyrock> muktupavels: and then autopilot run unity
[17:18] <andyrock> 'autopilot run unity'
[17:19] <andyrock> of course you also need unity-autopilot installed
[17:19] <muktupavels> I am building unity with bzr builddeb now.
[18:22] <muktupavels> andyrock: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/unity-shared/BamfApplicationManager.cpp#L258
[18:23] <muktupavels> andyrock: any change it should be manager without underscore?
[18:23] <muktupavels> andyrock: that is about arm64 build failure.
[19:06] <om26er> Is Ubuntu defaulting to Wayland in 18.10 ?
[19:09] <tsimonq2> I doubt it, personally.
[19:19] <jbicha> om26er: not without a FFe at this point :)
[19:27] <muktupavels> andyrock, finally was able to build deb packages, but after installing autopilot3 says that it did not find any tests...


[09:39] <luca_i> hi all, i'm chasing a bug that I assume lurks in GNOME somewhere
[09:40] <luca_i> GNOME won't automount (most) USB devices anymore
[09:40] <luca_i> the problem is, I don't quite know how to go about finding the cause of this, it must be somewhere in HAL
[09:41] <luca_i> it would be great if someone could give me some pointers on where to look or what to read to learn more
[09:41] <luca_i> for reference, the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/368959
[09:53] <mpontillo> luca_i: hm. first I would stop HAL and run "sudo hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes" to see if any useful trace messages appear... then maybe try to figure out how to get dbus-monitor to show me what messages HAL is emitting. not sure what component is supposed to listen to the messages and automount, though. I've always clicked on the drives in "Places" to mount them.
[09:54] <luca_i> it used to be that usb devices would automount on plugging them in
[09:54] <luca_i> now, not only does taht not work anymore, but if i try to manually mount tehm in "places", i get an error message
[09:54] <luca_i> mounting from the command line works, though
[09:55] <luca_i> anyway, i'll try your suggestions, thanks
[09:55] <luca_i> this was exactly the kind of reply i was hoping for
[09:55] <mpontillo> yeah I saw that note about gnome-mount in the bug. (that was going to be my next question.) I worked with a guy a couple days ago whose drives weren't mounting even with gnome-mount because of some stale gconf keys
[09:55] <mpontillo> good luck
[16:03]  * asac runs dist-upgrade to karmic on main desktop
[16:06]  * artir thinks asac's computer may just blow up!
[16:09] <Hobbsee> asac: do tell how that goes.  I'd like to try it, but i kinda need a working computer
[16:15] <asac> i will ... at least it didnt suggest to remove important packages ;)
[16:19] <Nafallo> asac: sl!
[18:39] <asac> so karmic works ;) ... not yet seen any hickups
[18:39] <asac> Hobbsee: ^^
[18:46] <artir> asac: faster thgan jaunty?


[05:21]  * dpaterso is punchy this evening
[05:22]  * dpaterso half caught a rat under the deck.  Listening to it rattle around under there
[05:23] <dpaterso> Why did Matt stop co-hosting the Linux Action show?
[08:03] <yo123> hi
[09:04] <alan_> Hello world
[09:05] <Guest26728> Hi can I add a networked printer
[09:06] <Guest26728> Easy, thanks for all your help
[09:30] <guyk> 啊   哈 我也安装了 ubuntu mate
[10:00] <guyk> 大家好  你们用的 默认的源 还是修改了
[10:03] <guyk> 我用了UBUNTU的 163的元源   怎么更新的时候全是忽略啊
[10:52] <guyk> Hello everyone you use the default software source it?
[10:52] <guyk> I added the source 163 how updates are prompted to skip ah
[11:03] <arman> hi
[11:54] <guyk> 怎么都 没有人说话啊
[15:16] <francesco_> Hello everyone, i'm trying Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my pc (a desktop, a Dell Inspiron 530) and the cabled network doesn't seem to work... here is some data (ifconfig, dmesg, lspci -vv):  http://pastebin.com/raw/UPJkx5xD
[15:28] <guyk> I use Toshiba's computer, there is no cable, no you say this
[15:31] <francesco_> the ethernet cable is connected, i have just rebooted to use irc and i'm writing from lubuntu 14.04
[15:32] <francesco_> if have eth0 instead of enp0s25 and ifconfig reports Link encap:Ethernet  IndirizzoHW 00:1e:c9:6e:6c:??         indirizzo inet:<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:34] <gordonjcp> francesco_: that all looks pretty normal
[15:35] <gordonjcp> francesco_: and it doesn't get an IP address at all, in 16.04?
[15:35] <francesco_> Ok but this is the message from lubuntu 14.04. With 16.04 i don't get an ip.
[15:42] <francesco_> gordonjcp, i'll try to reboot with ubuntu mate 16.04 and to use dhclient. Thank you.
[15:50] <francesco_> I'm writing this from ubuntu mate 16.04 . Dhclient hasn't worked. I have removed and replugged the ethernet cable from the router and it works. relevant dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809823/plain/
[15:51] <ubuntu-mate> Hola
[15:52] <ubuntu-mate> ¿Alguien habla español?
[16:25] <jeffrey> Anyone know if the Mate forum is down?
[16:25] <mate|15007> hello guys
[16:25] <mate|15007> i wanna ask a question
[16:26] <mate|15007> my laptop is x86_64 1GB RAM
[16:26] <mate|15007> can I use 64 bit ubuntu mate 16.04 that require 1,5GB RAM?
[16:27] <ubuntu-mate_> Hola, quiero instalar Ubuntu Mate 16.04- Necesito ayuda
[16:27] <ubuntu-mate_> quiero instalarlo junto con Wind7
[16:28] <TheMarius> mate|15007, maybe go for something lighter ... such as www.lxle.net
[16:28] <TheMarius> or lubuntu
[16:28] <steffen-pi> Hi :-)
[16:28] <mate|15007> themarius how if I install 32 bit version ubuntu mate 16.04
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿Alguien habla español?
[16:29] <TheMarius> if you have that slow of a computer id seriosly rather go with www.lxle.net or lubuntu or crunchbang plusplus
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> 32bit
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> U-MATE 16.04 32bit
[16:29] <steffen-pi> oh my Pi is heating up :(
[16:30] <TheMarius> look them up, mate|15007 ... its not that much different ... ubuntu mate is good but so is lxle and crunchbang
[16:30] <ubuntu-mate_> Not Lubunto, I like Ubuntu MATE
[16:30] <TheMarius> is it you with the 1.5 gb ram?
[16:30] <TheMarius> ubuntu-mate_,
[16:31] <TheMarius> in that case id probably go either lxle or crunchbang
[16:31] <TheMarius> its as stripped down as it gets, yet good looking and functional
[16:32] <TheMarius> except maybe puppy linux and slitaz but then you're going lightweight and functionality drops
[16:32] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿Como elijo la particiOn junto con Wind7?
[16:32] <TheMarius> theres lightweight like lxle and crunchbang that works well.. and theres ultralightweight like puppy and slitaz (or arch) but then you should know what youre doing
[16:33] <steffen-pi> %n = Steffen
[16:33] <steffen-pi> xD
[16:34] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿nadie habla español?
[16:38] <azteria2000> okay thanks for your advice
[16:38] <azteria2000> but I do know ubuntu mate is for minimal hardware
[16:39] <azteria2000> minimal for 512 RAM
[16:41] <ubuntu-mate_> :(
[16:44] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿antes de instalar U-MATE debo crear una particiOn en Wind7?
[17:58] <Langley> Help, my installation wont boot unless the install USB is plugged in, otherwise it'll just say "Read error"
[17:59] <nedstark> Langley, use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/
[18:00] <nedstark> if grub is broke, it fixes it automatically
[18:07] <Mysha> Does everybody have a Firefox in 16.04 that scrolls the wrong way round: Jumps when clicking on the scrollbar and scrolls when shift-clicking?
[18:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: I wouldn't know, I use Chrome
[18:12] <Mysha> Well, is that a "No", or do you have an unused Firefox installed that you could fire up to check?
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I just installed Arch Linux with an Xubuntu image, which, like all the other Ubuntu flavours, comes with Firefox, so you're in luck, testing-wise
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> but scrolling acted normally in Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> and this persists across Firefox and computer restarts?
[18:27] <Mysha> Across Firefox, in that in page scroll bars misfunction that way as well. And I think I have in fact reboot at some point since I installed 16.04 last week, so: Yes, that to.
[18:27] <Mysha> (What would "normal" be to you?)
[18:34] <Langley> I can't boot that boot repair cd..
[18:46] <Mysha> I have no idea, but; What happens if you try?
[18:59] <Langley> I can't get this thing installed. It just boots with "Loading operation system... read error" if the USB key is not present
[19:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: It scrolls according to whether or not natural scrolling is enabled, ofc
[19:13] <Mysha> SonikkuAmerica: Enlighten me about natural scrolling, and where it's en/dis-able, please?
[19:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Ever used OS X?
[19:15] <Mysha> Langley: So, basically you tried to install from an USB but it didn't do it right? Or did it work right earlier?
[19:15] <Mysha> "USB stick"
[19:16] <Langley> I can install fine but it wont boot afterwards if the USB is not present
[19:16] <Mysha> SonikkuAmerica: There's an ibook somewhere on this desk. Nothing recent, though. I think the snow beast couldn't be installed on it.
[19:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Ah. OS X has it enabled by default; it's where the scroll wheel is inverted
[19:18] <Mysha> OK, don't know what that's called when translated. Can I switch it of in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, because to me reading a page is by nature going down bit by bit, not jumping somewhere and finding out where you are.
[19:18] <Mysha> ?
 I guess I would qualify that as "not installed correctly".
[19:19] <Langley> So how would I install it "correctly"
[19:20] <Mysha> That's the part where I said to start with: "I have no idea." I could get you to describe the situation clearer, but now I hope someone else can step in who does have a clue.
[19:22] <Langley> I've just installed it into a harddrive and put he bootloader there. And then it just says "Read error" when trying to boot, if the USB is not plugged in
[19:25] <Mysha> OK; the bootloader is on the hard disk, but is it also trying to boot the OS you installed on the hard disk?
[19:26] <Langley> How would I know?
 It looks like natural scrolling is about the direction you scroll, rather than about the mode of scrolling.
[19:26] <SonikkuAmerica> You'd be right.
[19:27] <SonikkuAmerica> That's the only option I can think of, though.
[19:27] <SonikkuAmerica> So - have you tried with multiple pointing devices?
 The bootloader can be told to show aninterface, I believe, but if you don't see an appropriate message flash by, you'll need someone with bootloader knowledge. I haven't messed with those for several years.
 Adding an extra mouse? How would that make a difference? Anyway, it's Firefox doing this, as far as I can tell: Even Thunderbird is OK.
[19:31] <SonikkuAmerica> I was about to say "it may be hardware-specific"
[19:31] <Mysha> Oh: Did I try a different mouse." No, I didn't. Unlikely for a single program, though.
[19:33] <Langley> Maybe it's the hard drive... tried installing Solus, it's stuck at "Loading operating system...GRUB loading"
 Tried a different mouse, just to be sure. No different.
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Did you try purging and reinstalling?
[19:38] <Mysha> Langley: It's an oldie, but did you see this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903015 ?
 So far I haven't. It's quite normal for me to constantly have projects open in Firefox where I'm several steps in a tree I'm walking.
[19:40] <Mysha> But if I'm the only one who has this problem, then eventually I probably will.
[19:45] <Langley> So his solution was to update BIOS... good idea
[19:45] <Langley> Good thing I didn't begin replacing the drive right away
[19:52] <dev_> Hi
[20:31] <skorpn> anybody home today with a few minutes to help a guy out with mate install please?
[20:33] <skorpn> I was forced to use Ubuntu Server 16.04 so I could install my SSD's into a raid array so that my ubuntu machine has a nice large ssd to call home. After install I updated and installed ubuntu-desktop because mate would not install with an error that said ubuntu-mate-core was not found.
[20:33] <skorpn> So now that I have desktop almost installed I am wondering if I can try again with proper install commands?
[20:35] <skorpn> So question is, does anyone here know how to install MATE via command line onto Server that already has Unity installed? Please
[20:38] <bdragonsl> seems way more complicated than anything I've ever done.  But i really don't mess around with Linux too much.  I plan to change that thought.
[20:38] <bdragonsl> *though
[20:39] <skorpn> same here
[20:39] <skorpn> after 30 years of messing with Microsoft, I am calling 2016 my year to dump them
[20:39] <bdragonsl> right now I'm just glad I'm not using windows.  All the horror stories about sneak upgrades to windows 10 is insane.
[20:40] <bdragonsl> 2015 was my year to go back full steam
[20:41] <skorpn> I been using Linux since the mid 90's however its always been the dual boot or second machine kind of thing, and my old employers did not do linux
[20:42] <skorpn> Since I am in Albuqerque, Microsofts origiinal home all the tech businesses here practically grew up on Windows
[20:42] <bdragonsl> same here, I always kept it as a backup kinda thing, but it's gotten to the point to where you can use it for a daily driver and is probably better for that use-case than windows is now.
[20:42] <bdragonsl> ah, windows die-hards huh
[20:44] <skorpn> I dont think I can totally give it up so I want to try Linux on the main SSD and instead of dual booting, do a VM with the latest Windows 10 preview installed. Then I can have my beloved MATE booting regularly, with the occasional Windows 10 bout within VM
[20:44] <skorpn> Hoping that suits me better
[20:44] <bdragonsl> what did you use on win10 that you need?
[20:45] <skorpn> very little
[20:45] <skorpn> lol
[20:45] <skorpn> I LOVE the new Skype UWP app
[20:46] <skorpn> black theme with light colored text
[20:46] <skorpn> cant get that on Linux
[20:46] <bdragonsl> skype can be installed on linux
[20:46] <skorpn> yeah a very old crappy build
[20:47] <skorpn> Google Earth on Windows actually has photos that pop up, something that is only a white bubble on Linux
[20:47] <skorpn> I've spent days trying to fix that to no avail
[20:47] <bdragonsl> I was never a fan of skype.  I do think android is going the right way though.  Their new duo app looks like it might make people actually use video calling on their phones now.
[20:48] <skorpn> problem is my employer was using Skype ever since its creation, so I have hundreds of contacts on Skype
[20:48] <bdragonsl> yeah, google usually forgets linux, even though their chromebooks would be crap without it.
[20:48] <skorpn> lol
[20:49] <bdragonsl> least they could do is provide better support for the linux community since they basically owe it to Linux for having a platform to customize and build off of.  Otherwise they'd have had to start completely from scratch.
[20:49] <skorpn> yes
[20:51] <skorpn> well I have Ubuntu working now
[20:51] <skorpn> Just need to figure out how to turn that into Ubuntu MATE
[20:51] <bdragonsl> gratz!
[20:52] <bdragonsl> mate as in the de? Or as a full install?
[20:54] <skorpn> de
[20:54] <skorpn> I thought this would work
[20:54] <skorpn> sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \
[20:54] <skorpn> ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[20:54] <skorpn> but it does NOT
[20:54] <skorpn> throws up an error
[20:54] <skorpn> says ubuntu-mate-core can not be found
[20:55] <skorpn> I wonder if I now remove Unity, if it will retain the video card drivers and thus let me use MATE
[20:55] <bdragonsl> try this:  sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core
[20:55] <skorpn> just never done this before
[20:55] <skorpn> ok
[20:55] <skorpn> brb
[20:56] <bdragonsl> sorry, go here first.
[20:56] <bdragonsl> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[20:56] <bdragonsl> it has install instructions for for the mate de that should get it installed for you.
[20:57] <bdragonsl> brb, vape break
[20:58] <skorpn> k
[21:04] <skorpn> hmm, this unity feels OK to me. Granted I havn't tried it since it was first released and hated it back then
[21:04] <skorpn> lol
[21:07] <skorpn> this is confusing, during install I had internet, but after installing Unity I have no network connection
[21:07] <petermore> hello
[21:07] <skorpn> hello
[21:08] <petermore> i installa mate 16.04
[21:08] <petermore> and all is right
[21:08] <petermore> but i cant change the brightness
[21:08] <petermore> someone have the same problem?
[21:09] <skorpn> OK nevermind me, it was easy enough to get it working
[21:10] <petermore> do you know how fix¿?
[21:10] <skorpn> Im here for help myself
[21:10] <skorpn> noob me is
[21:11] <skorpn> dont you have a brightness button on your display?
[21:11] <petermore> yes
[21:12] <petermore> i press the botton and i see the display
[21:12] <petermore> but not change
[21:12] <skorpn> hmm
[21:12] <skorpn> mine barely changes anything
 Once you have one Ubuntu running, the other desktops are in the repository. That should now be true for MATE as well.
[21:12] <skorpn> oh really
[21:12] <skorpn> so the previous commands should work the second time then?
[21:13] <Mysha> Commands?
[21:13] <skorpn> yeah my previous attempt to install threw up an error
[21:14] <Mysha> Hold on, I'll read back to see what I missed.
[21:14] <skorpn> sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \
[21:14] <skorpn> ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[21:14] <skorpn> THAT told me that core was not found
[21:15] <skorpn> using instructions from --> http://hiroom2.jimdo.com/2016/05/21/install-mate-desktop/#sec-2
[21:15] <skorpn> reading thru the official stuff now
[21:18] <skorpn> oh wait, I think it is working a second try
[21:18] <Mysha> Hm, that looks weird. Like they're forgetting to install the desktop itself.
[21:18] <skorpn> yeah
[21:18] <Mysha> It works?
[21:18] <skorpn> its actually doing something this time
[21:18] <skorpn> lol
[21:18] <skorpn> its downloading files now
[21:18] <skorpn> 1126 MB
[21:19] <skorpn> sounds like a de to me
[21:19] <Mysha> Drum rolls
[21:19] <skorpn> lol
[21:19] <bdragonsl> huzzah!!
[21:20] <skorpn> now I have to figure out how to switch from unity to mate and back
[21:20] <skorpn> I assume I can have two de's at the same time installed
[21:20] <Mysha> Didn't you just remove unity?
[21:20] <skorpn> no
[21:21] <skorpn> I was scared to do that considering how big of a dl it is if it failed
[21:21] <randall> yeah skorpn you can have as many as you want, and just awitch at login
[21:21] <skorpn> its well over 2gb
[21:21] <bdragonsl> gonna switch clients, brb
[21:21] <skorpn> ok
[21:21] <Mysha> BVut, yes, you can have multiple desktops and choose at log in. (At least, that used to be true; I haven't messed with that recently.)
[21:21] <Mysha> Randall: Ah, good to hear that.
[21:22] <bdragons1> did it work @skorpn
[21:22] <Mysha> He's not back yet.
[21:22] <bdragons1> ah
[21:22] <skorpn> its still downloading
[21:23] <bdragons1> just starting my jump to irssi.  Seems pretty cool.  trying to get into using the terminal for more stuff.
[21:23] <skorpn> some host servers are soooo slow
[21:23] <skorpn> 1 hour it tells me
[21:23] <skorpn> lol
[21:24] <bdragons1> one thing I did like about linux mint was that it would prompt you to find the best one for your location.  I wish that ubuntu would pick that feature up.
[21:24] <skorpn> OK here is a question, if MATE works good and I have no need for unity can I just remove unity and it automatically then will boot to mate afterwards?
[21:27] <skorpn> I cant believe I got this installed correctly in RAID. Im so proud of myself right now
[21:27] <skorpn> lol
[21:28] <skorpn> OK, how do I select a de at login screen?
[21:30] <skorpn> woah it says its Done
[21:31] <bdragons1> glad to hear it!
[21:37] <skorpn> Well I guess its installed
[21:38] <skorpn> but only Unity launches when I sign in
[21:39] <Mysha> That's usually how desktops are set up.
[21:39] <Mysha> To not launch at the same time.
[21:39] <skorpn> lol, it gives me the MATE login screen, but I get the Unity desktop
[21:39] <skorpn> haha
[21:39] <skorpn> ok hmm what am I missing
[21:40] <bdragons1> so there should be a place really close to where you login that will have a gear or other icon to choose your desktop environment.
[21:40] <skorpn> yeah I better go look again I guess
[21:40] <skorpn> lol
[21:40] <skorpn> I might just keep Unity
[21:41] <skorpn> I didnt realize it was going to run this good
[21:41] <skorpn> I thought it was bloated and slow
[21:42] <Mysha> There's a row of buttons at the top right, when you are at login. (Should be.) Selecting the desktop ought to be in there somewhere.
[21:42] <skorpn> you were right, but the MATE selection gear is in the upper right hand corner next to the restart button
[21:42] <skorpn> Thanks Mysha
[21:43] <skorpn> Im going back and forth from a small laptop screen to my main rig
[21:43] <skorpn> didnt see your reply
[21:43] <skorpn> sorry
[21:44] <skorpn> and sure enough it works
[21:44] <skorpn> yay
[21:44] <Mysha> YW
[21:44] <skorpn> turned 50 yesterday and just learned a new trick
[21:45] <skorpn> feeling good now
[21:45] <Mysha> Never too old!
[21:48] <skorpn> is kernel 4.6 recommended?
[21:49] <skorpn> wait, is 1.12.1 the latest MATE version?
[21:49] <skorpn> I thought they were at like 1.81 or something
[21:50] <skorpn> or was that 1.8.1, lol
[21:50] <Mysha> That was 1.8.1, this is 1.12.1.
[21:50] <Mysha> You're fine.
[21:50] <skorpn> cool
[21:51] <skorpn> jeez this runs so good
[21:52] <skorpn> brb
[21:52] <skorpn> going to try and find this irc channel on the new ubuntu install and shut down this laptop
[21:53] <skorpn> thanks guys and gals
[21:53] <Mysha> There's a welcome tool with a connection.
[21:54] <hid|ninja> gals=
[22:09] <skorpn> well im back
[22:10] <skorpn> Everything is working just fantastic so far
[22:11] <bdragons1> good!
[22:11] <skorpn> Now I have to find some sort of guide to help me figure out how to put 3 ssd's into a raid 0 config. I bet that wont be as easy, lol.
[22:12] <bdragons1> yeah, don't have a clue on that one.  I haven't messed with raid in 5+ years.
[22:12] <skorpn> i been doing nothing but raid since the 90's
[22:12] <skorpn> but all on Windows
[22:12] <skorpn> lol
[22:12] <bdragons1> Since hdds have gotten so huge I haven't seen the need other than the redundancy factor, but I just use a separate drive for all my important stuff.
[22:13] <skorpn> unfortunately I have a dozen 128gb SSD's so I cant justify another larger drive
[22:13] <skorpn> I have to raid them or nothing
[22:15] <bdragons1> whatever you're doing to get enough money for that I want in!! LOL
[22:15] <skorpn> some day I will get a Intel 1TB 750 SSD, maybe by xmas
[22:16] <skorpn> only three of those i bought, dad retired the others and upgraded solely to PCIe SSD's, so now I have 4 Samsung 840 Pro's, 4 Crucial C300's and 4 older OCZ 64GB SSD's
[22:17] <skorpn> Three of the crucials I want in raid 0 on this machine since those are Enterprise level drives
[22:18] <skorpn> The rest go into my other Windows machine and my Linux laptop
[22:18] <skorpn> lol
[22:18] <skorpn> All my BIG spinning drives are now in my Home Server, lol
[22:18] <skorpn> ;)
[22:19] <skorpn> except for my 1TB that I have hooked up via external eSATA
[22:19] <skorpn> which is what I will use to backup the raid0 data for safe keeping. I'm simply not concerned with any raid failure as its so rare for me
[22:20] <skorpn> plus Im told linux software raid is very robust, probably better than windows raid
[22:20] <skorpn> I hope
[22:24] <skorpn> The main reason other than size, is the fact that my ICH10R transfers at 700 MB/s when in raid, and when in single drive I only get 250 MB/s. Since my PC is a PCIe 2.0 x58 machine from 2010. I just prefer the 700 MB/s, lol
[22:25] <skorpn> That is for at least 3 drives though
[22:27] <bdragons1> 1
[23:04] <skorpn> wow not a single guide can be found on the internet for doing raid in linux. Unbelievable to say the least. or my search skills suck, probably the later
[23:19] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=setting+up+raid+in+linux
[23:19] <nomic> ?
[23:19] <nomic> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html  How to configure RAID in Linux - Tutorial
[23:20] <nomic>  how. to . set. up. raid in linux ... I just googled & it told me  how. to . set. up. raid in linux
[23:20] <nomic> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html


[05:55] <Maddie> Does ubports provide system.img's? I have the FP3+ and would like to try ubports on it.


[06:49] <superm1> evand, if you could merge me again, i've got more gui cleanup added to my branch
[06:56] <evand> superm1: taking a look now
[06:56] <superm1> thanks evand
[08:44] <ITDirect> hi guys
[08:48] <ITDirect> anybody able to help with pre installing machines with ubuntu, custom apps installed
[09:13] <evand> hooray for sticking around long enough for an answer
[09:22] <superm1> :), the proper way would have been just a custom live disk with the apps already present prior to install, correct?
[09:23] <thom> preseeded install with the packages added to pkgsel/include
[09:23] <thom> ...
[09:24] <superm1> i see
[10:48] <superm1> thom, but that would assume the custom apps were available in the archive
[10:48] <superm1> so if they really were "custom" apps, that method wouldn't work