[00:01] <valorie> very nice
[00:01] <TheFakeazneD525> Kool
[00:03] <Etriaph> Ah, KMail's global shortcuts column moves the shortcut to alternate when you try to set it as global, probably doesn't register that it can have global shortcuts
[00:05] <ObsequiousNewt_> How do I configure GTK to use xim instead of scim in Trusty?
[00:20] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK to use xim instead of scim in Trusty?
[00:50] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK to use xim instead of scim in Trusty?
[00:58] <Deihmos> is kubuntu UI better than ubuntu?
[01:00] <Deihmos> if I already have ubuntu can i switch to kubuntu
[01:01] <TheFakeazneD525> Deihmos: ya
[01:01] <TheFakeazneD525> apt-get install kubuntu-full kde-full for full kubu/kde experiance
[01:01] <TheFakeazneD525> Deihmos: and the UI thing is more subjective
[01:02] <TheFakeazneD525> If you enjoy the traditional desktop metaphor, then you'll like it
[01:02] <TheFakeazneD525> and it's very customizable, and easy to use
[01:02] <Deihmos> ubuntu seems sluggish
[01:02] <Deihmos> going to give it a try
[01:12] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: I just had an idea
[01:12] <TheFakeazneD525> a Qt frontend to ClamAV
[01:28] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK to use xim instead of scim in Trusty?
[01:28] <TheFakeazneD525> idk, sorry :c
[01:56] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK to use xim instead of scim in Trusty?
[02:24] <DarthFrog> ObsequiousNewt: This is a Kubuntu support channel.  Kubuntu uses KDE.  KDE uses Qt, not GTK.  You'd be better off asking GTK questions in  a channel that provides support for GNOME.
[02:34] <ObsequiousNewt> That too.
[02:34] <ObsequiousNewt> Wait, what?
[02:34] <ObsequiousNewt> I run GTK applcations in KDE.
[02:35] <ObsequiousNewt> Like Firefox for instance. It doesn't read from ~/.XCompose, but from the default.
[02:35] <ObsequiousNewt> That's my problem.
[04:23] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: interesting idea -- how many people run a antivirus though?
[04:23] <valorie> I haven't for over 10 years
[04:24] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: its still a good idea :o
[04:24] <TheFakeazneD525> I mean, sure, linux is secure, but why take risks?
[04:24] <valorie> so clamav has no gui?
[04:24] <TheFakeazneD525> plus, not that clamtk is bad, but a qt thing would be nice
[04:24] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: ClamTK
[04:24] <valorie> ah
[04:25] <TheFakeazneD525> but it doesn't have the KDE look and feel when I run it :c
[04:25] <valorie> I think I looked around after moving to linux from windows, but since it wasn't needed, never did anything more
[04:26] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm, well with the growing popularity of linux on the desktop, its better to stop a virus plauge before it starts
[04:26] <valorie> get yourself Qt Creator and go wild!
[04:26] <TheFakeazneD525> :D
[04:27] <valorie> it would probably really take off if you made it usable in android as well
[04:27] <valorie> because that *is* infectable
[04:27] <TheFakeazneD525> true
[04:27] <valorie> not that linux is safe by default
[04:27] <valorie> I agree
[04:27] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm, valorie, how hard is making a frontend in Qt?
[04:27] <valorie> ha, you are asking the wrong person
[04:27] <TheFakeazneD525> like, for now, just say, a dialouge with a button :L
[04:28] <valorie> perhaps find an application that is just a front-end, and copy it somewhat?
[04:28] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm
[04:29] <valorie> that's how I learned HTML
[04:29] <valorie> copied pages I liked, and changed things until they broke
[04:29] <TheFakeazneD525> Hmm, a clamav frontend would need...
[04:30] <TheFakeazneD525> a scan button, log output, requires kdesudo auth, a update defs button, and some other stuff
[06:36] <desper4do> hello there
[06:37] <desper4do> just plugged in 2nd monitor 24'
[06:37] <desper4do> and i can not set it's resolution to maximum
[06:38] <desper4do> settings say it is set to 1920x1200 (auto) but actually it isn't
[06:38] <desper4do> CRT1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[06:38] <desper4do>    1920x1200      60.0 +
[08:16] <HansC> quiet here?
[08:17] <valorie> HansC: this is a help chan, not chat
[08:18] <valorie> if you have a question or need help, speak up
[08:19] <desper4do> i have a question :D but probably you read it earlier
[08:19] <HansC> in fact I do... this morning I tried starting Konsole a couple of times and it just failed to start. Only after I logged off and on again I could start Konsole again, has anyone seen this happen before?
[08:20] <HansC> It is on a pretty clean Kubuntu 14.04 install
[08:22] <valorie>  think I'm pinging out
[08:22] <dubis> Hello
[08:23] <dubis> This morning should be great but I've a MySQL error in akonadi could you help ?
[08:26] <valorie> pfff
[10:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:07] <alket> hey lordievader
[12:07] <lordievader> Hey alket, how are you?
[12:16] <alket> lordievader: fine thanks , you
[12:17] <lordievader> Doing good here :0
[12:17] <lordievader> :)
[12:41] <partha_> Greetings everyone!
[12:41] <partha_> Is it possible to add default reminders for all events in Korganizer, even when they were created by someone else?
[12:42] <lordievader> o/
[13:05] <silv3r_m00n> i am using nvidia drivers, but where is exactly is the system configured to use the nvidia drivers ? which configuration file or what ?
[13:08] <vistakiller> have you install the drivers?
[13:12] <silv3r_m00n> vistakiller: yeah i installed the drivers, they are working, but out of curiosity i want to know where exactly is the configuration that tells the system to use nvidia drivers (instead of something else like nouveau)
[13:14] <vistakiller> i think is in nvidia-xconfig and i think that there nvidia settings save the changes
[13:16] <silv3r_m00n> vistakiller: where ? where are the settings saved ? which file ? or is that just because the nvidia driver file is placed inside /lib/modules/3.13.0-24-generic/updates/dkms/  it gets loaded ?
[13:17] <vistakiller> take a look here if that helps
[13:17] <vistakiller> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/alt-nvidia-96-xconfig.1.html
[13:18] <vistakiller> i think all the settings is under /etc/X11
[13:18] <silv3r_m00n> there is no xorg.conf or xf86config file in my system and /etc/X11$ grep -ri 'nvidia' ./  gave nothing
[13:18] <silv3r_m00n> nvidia is not written anywhere
[13:19] <vistakiller> yes xorg.conf was 3 years ago :P
[13:19] <vistakiller> many have change from back then
[13:19] <vistakiller> do a research under /etc/X11 folder
[13:19] <silv3r_m00n> i already grepped the /etc/X11  there is nothing related to nvidia in there
[13:20] <silv3r_m00n> how does the driver come into effect , thats what i want to know
[13:21] <vistakiller> this question in linux has not simple answer :P
[13:21] <BluesKaj> vistakiller, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[13:23] <silv3r_m00n> BluesKaj: that shows what driver is in use, but where is it configured to use that driver ?
[13:23] <vistakiller> take a look and at /etc/modprobe.d
[13:23] <vistakiller> there you can blacklist noeuveu driver or is the settings of nvidia etc
[13:24] <BluesKaj> when you install the nvidia driver, nouveau is disabled, there's no need to blacklist it
[13:25] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: It is probably initrd/initramfs that tell it to use nouveau/nvidia.
[13:25] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: which file ?
[13:25] <silv3r_m00n> somewhere inside /etc/initramfs-tools/   ?
[13:26] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: That's whay I think, yes.
[13:26] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: nothing in there, $ grep -ri 'nvidia' /etc/initramfs-tools/   gives nothing
[13:27] <BluesKaj> silv3r_m00n, so what's your issue then?
[13:27] <silv3r_m00n> BluesKaj: want to know, which configuration file tells my system to use nvidia instead of nouveau
[13:28] <silv3r_m00n> the order should be "written" somewhere i guess
[13:28] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Might also be /etc/modules
[13:28] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: grep: /etc/modules/: Not a directory
[13:29] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: that file has no mention of nvidia either
[13:30] <silv3r_m00n> okay, i think i found it, this file seems to be controlling it
[13:30] <silv3r_m00n> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[13:30] <silv3r_m00n> it also contains "blacklist nouveau"
[13:30] <lordievader> Isn't that just extra options?
[13:31] <silv3r_m00n> means ?
[13:31] <lordievader> When loading a module you can specify options. Those are usually in there, or so I believe.
[13:31] <silv3r_m00n> what is the function of the /etc/modprobe.d directory ? to provide instructions about how and what modules to load ?
[13:32] <silv3r_m00n> the blacklisting of nouveau is being done by that file for sure
[13:32] <lordievader> http://linux.die.net/man/5/modprobe.d
[13:33] <BluesKaj> the nvidia driver takes precedence once it's installed , /usr/bin/X11/nvidia-detector
[13:35] <silv3r_m00n> BluesKaj: some utility program runs every boot and loads the nvidia driver ?
[13:36] <silv3r_m00n> the nvidia-detector is not present on my system, but there are couple of other nvidia-* programs
[13:36] <silv3r_m00n> okay its there
[13:37] <BluesKaj> silv3r_m00n, /user/bin/ loads default apps at startup afaik
[13:37] <silv3r_m00n> and it says "none"
[13:37] <BluesKaj> what says
[13:45] <BluesKaj> somebody kick this guy pls
[13:45] <BluesKaj> if he returns
[14:11] <bennypr0fane> Does anyone know how I can install additional fonts? afaik, that is a OS-wide procedure, i.e. it works not just for one procedure. However I'm missing some fonts that used to be in Libreoffice and were apparently taken out
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> like e.g. Open Sans
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !ops
[15:00] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Riddell, this user person keeps adding ___ to his nick
[15:01] <IdleOne> badly configured client
[15:01] <Riddell> oops
[15:01] <BluesKaj> thanks Riddell
[15:02] <Riddell> mm, now how do I unban ubotttu?
[15:02] <IdleOne> done
[15:02] <Riddell> ah thanks IdleOne
[15:02] <IdleOne> no problem :)
[15:02] <Riddell> I'm sorry ubottu, please forgive me!
[15:03] <IdleOne> user___ Please fic your irc client so we don't get a join flood from you
[15:03] <IdleOne> fix*
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ubottu, survives small mistakes easily I think
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ahh , intelligent enough
[15:03] <Pici> BluesKaj: I told her to rejoin ;)
[15:03] <IdleOne> she is pretty tough indeed
[15:04] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, his nick keeps adding underscores
[15:04] <BluesKaj> the user____
[15:04] <IdleOne> yeah, bad config. Doesn't do anything thing else but join clients.
[15:05] <IdleOne> if it were spamming the channel I would think it was intentional
[15:05] <BluesKaj> yeah unless there's an alias script that adds underscores just to annoy us
[15:19] <adrian> aló
[15:19] <adrian> soy nuevo,
[15:19] <Guest95241> recien vengo de windows..
[15:20] <BluesKaj> !es | Guest95241
[15:41] <ritvikg> Can anyone help me installing LEMP on kubuntu?
[15:42] <ritvikg> I am not able to configure php properly, there seems to be some problem
[15:44] <lordievader> ritvikg: What seems to be the problem with php?
[15:45] <Pici> ritvikg: php on nginx is much different than on Apache. Have you setup php5-fpm?
[15:46] <ritvikg> Yes, I installed these packages : php5 php5-fpm php5-mysql
[15:46] <ritvikg> Now when I create a phptest file, and when I open that in browser, I don't see the php info page, instead the browser downloads that file for me
[15:47] <ritvikg> I am using this for installing, (if it helps) : http://www.unixmen.com/install-lemp-server-nginx-mysql-mariadb-php-ubuntu-13-10-server/
[15:49] <Pici> ritvikg: is php5-fpm running?
[15:50] <ritvikg> Okay, I saw the file /etc/nginx/sites-available/default , and the php section is commented out.
[15:52] <ritvikg> I uncommnted that. But now I'm getting a 502 bad gateway. What does that mean?
[15:56] <ritvikg> Got it working. Thanks! :D
[16:04] <alan_smith> hello there... anyone help me install my hp printer on kubuntu? It's supposed to work outta the box on ubuntu, the model is deskjet 2050 j510 (cheapest one).
[16:06] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, tell us what you've done so far to install the printer
[16:08] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: ok, fyi, the printer is fully supported by hplip, which is installed here (latest from repos), the printer is listed on the print jobs tool (add printers list) twice:
[16:09] <alan_smith> i can't copy the info, lemme post a ss
[16:11] <alan_smith> how can I share a ss?
[16:11] <alan_smith> screenshot
[16:11] <TheFakeazneD525> alan_smith: prtsc
[16:11] <TheFakeazneD525> then save, and put on imgur.com or something
[16:11] <BluesKaj> then imagebin
[16:11] <alan_smith> ok
[16:12] <alan_smith> ok, here you go: http://imagebin.org/309198
[16:12] <alan_smith> btw, the snapshot tool could have the option to send the files to imagebin...
[16:13] <alan_smith> or other service
[16:13] <alan_smith> i don't know why the printer is duplicated and why one shows as an hplip device and other as usb device
[16:14] <alan_smith> perhaps the hplip is the printer thing and the usb device the scan thing? it doesn't make sense it's listed under printers though
[16:16] <alan_smith> any ideas? should i just try to setup the hplip one and ignore the other?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:16] <ar> hi. where can i enable ssh-agent and gpg-agent in kde globally?
[16:17] <ar> (system-wide)
[16:17] <ar> on some distributions it's a matter of editing a shell script
[16:21] <alan_smith> wow! it works a treat! :) mwahahaha! thank you guys!
[16:22] <alan_smith> gonna try scanning
[16:27] <alan_smith> wow! it works a treat! :) (2)
[16:27] <alan_smith> that 'skanlite' app is too basic though
[16:29] <alan_smith> next time i'm buying a printer i'm surely going to take a look at hplip page to see the level of support. awesome stuff, even this cheapo printer works perfectly :)
[16:29] <alan_smith> it's unfortunate though that it seems the only printers that works decently are the hp ones
[16:30] <alan_smith> the cartridges for canons are way cheaper and the quality is better on the same price range
[16:34] <alan_smith> any ideas on why support for some printes has been dropped?
[16:36] <alan_smith> does it happen to built-in drivers/modules also? I mean, will the drivers built in the kernel or 3rd party ones (e.g.hplip) be dropped after a while?
[16:40] <alan_smith> *tumbleweeds rolls around in the whistling wind*
[16:41] <TheFakeazneD525>   alan_smith probably lack of use for said printers
[16:43] <alan_smith> TheFakeazneD525: yeah, possibly... anyway, I plan to keep this printer until it eventually die, I noticed that the support were dropped for some printers though... it seems that's not the case for hplip so I should not worry more than necessary :)
[16:44] <alan_smith> for example, the apollo printers only works for ubuntu versions until 8.10... sad thing imho
[16:44] <alan_smith> support should never be dropped, I mean, I understand if they discontinue the driver development and stuff, but you should always be able to use an old hardware
[16:47] <TheFakeazneD525> indeed
[17:13] <lolmaus> Has anyone got the Win key working? When i try to map an action to it, KDE says: The key you just pressed is not supported by Qt.
[17:22] <danny___> kubuntu 14.04 / ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a dell xps15 2nd gen i7 with nividia driver 331.38 presistantly locks the screen and mouse every 10-20 minutes.  The recovery is fairly simple and non-destructive, ie simply switch console ctrl-alt F(n) and back to F7.  any know fix to this problem?
[17:23] <TheFakeazneD525> danny___: not like, go into sleep mode, but like, the mouse/screen freezes?
[17:23] <danny___> yes
[17:30] <Decus> Hello! I have a finger print reader and I would like to get it working on Kubuntu! I searched a little and I found something that says: «Please note that Fingerprint GUI doesn't work with kdm and kscreensaver because of a bug in these applications (see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105631).»
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Decus, kdm is no longer the default greeter, check to make sure lightdm is default then find which authentication method is used with it.
[17:40] <Decus> thanks BluesKaj
[17:50] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> <hallo........
[18:14] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Hey, are you around?
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> here I am
[18:14] <Etriaph> Hey there. :)
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> Hello
[18:15] <Etriaph> Regarding the WordPress site, is there a test site running somewhere?  I'm going to try to assist with some of those tasks if I can
[18:15] <Etriaph> Haven't worked with WP in about 2 years, but I'll do what I can
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> Are you Robert or Octavio?
[18:15] <Etriaph> Robert, yes :)
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> ok, hello again
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> so, I guess you've seen my email
[18:16] <Etriaph> Yup, looked through the task list too
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> ok, let's continue this in #kubuntu-devel
[18:17] <ovidiu-florin> since this is a suport chanel
[18:20] <leo> привет народ
[18:21] <leo> есть тут кто?
[18:23] <DarthFrog> !ru | leo
[18:27] <lolmaus> My VLC plugins stopped working after upgrading to 14.04. Any suggestions?
[18:27] <lolmaus> They just won't activate.
[18:28] <leo> по русски кто нить говорит?
[18:29] <DarthFrog> !ru | leo
[18:30] <leo> ну да
[18:30] <leo> кого то это смущает?
[18:31] <DarthFrog> leo:  English only, please.  This is not a Russian-speaking channel.
[18:32] <leo> пора бы учить русский, скоро все на нём говорить будут )))
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> leo: Это только английский канал. Если Вам нужна помощь в России, пожалуйста, перейдите на #ubuntu-ru
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> leo: Может быть
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin> leo:
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin> мы не можем знать, какое будущее
[18:35] <dmatt> hi, what baloo related processes should run in KDE 4.13 installed in Kubuntu 13.10?
[18:36] <leo> вау! тут есть рускоязычные!!!!
[18:36] <leo> ну может вы и не можете знать, но я вам точно говорю
[18:36] <leo> теперь вы знаете!
[18:36] <leo> )))
[18:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> does kubuntu have any gui partition manager like gparted? ive got a old sys im working on and my gpated usb stick doesnt like the lack of PAE
[18:47] <lordievader> Whiskey`Wonka: Yes, search for partition manager in the menu ;)
[18:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> yay, thanks.
[18:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> yikes looks like a uglu gparted lol
[18:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> aaand its not able to copy partitions between devices for a unknown reason, coolie.
[19:29] <vs1207> hi
[19:30] <lordievader> o/
[19:40] <trekker123> Hello?
[19:40] <trekker123> Can I get a teensy tiny bit of help with changing the logo on the kickoff start menu? The thing that says Kubuntu?
[19:40] <trekker123> I know how to copy the dimensions and stuff.
[19:41] <trekker123> But what's the directory?
[19:43] <alket> trekker123: I think it is /usr/share/icons/ in there somewhere
[20:52] <jose__> HI
[21:02] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK applications to read from ~/.XCompose in Trusty?
[21:06] <PtitNico> Hi all :)
[21:07] <PtitNico> i used to use NX server (nomachine) for remote control
[21:08] <PtitNico> but now the newer version is very different (not based on SSH)
[21:08] <PtitNico> any idea to remplace it ?
[21:09] <PtitNico> what do you use to remote control your Kubuntu ? VNC ? Teamviewer ? Freenx ?
[21:16] <ObsequiousNewt> I use Teamviewer
[21:17] <ObsequiousNewt> I think the site provides a Debian package
[21:17] <PtitNico> ObsequiousNewt: thxs, yes there is a deb, i use to help some friend with their windows
[21:30] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK applications to read from ~/.XCompose in Trusty?
[21:45] <Tin_man> i'm a newbee, i've installed ubuntu 14.04, i love it, but should i update the system everyday, kinda like MS..?
[21:46] <ObsequiousNewt> Update it as often as you like.
[21:46] <Tin_man> ok.. :)
[21:46] <ObsequiousNewt> If it says "important security update" I would probably go ahead and update it, though.
[21:46] <Tin_man> yes i look for the security update..
[21:47] <Tin_man> thanks..
[21:48] <y4ns> hello
[21:48] <y4ns> i have a question
[21:48] <y4ns> how to delete guest account on my kubuntu desktop?
[21:48] <Tin_man> i started with mint, couldn't get my wifi working, googled my butt off, still couldn't get it, but finally, got ub 14.04, and figured the broadcom dell wifi was a bit of a problem..
[21:53] <ObsequiousNewt> y4ns: Go to Login Screen (LightDM), click on General, and uncheck "Allow guest login". I think that should work.
[21:54] <y4ns> ObsequiousNewt: Thanks
[22:26] <ObsequiousNewt> How do I configure GTK applications to read from ~/.XCompose in Trusty?
[22:42] <opensauce> hey
[22:42] <opensauce> I'm having issues with 14.04 recognizing my USB external HDD
[22:46] <dodger_> opensauce: can you elaborate?
[22:48] <opensauce> before switching to 14.04 from 13.10 the device notifier would be able to detect USB as I connected them
[22:49] <ObsequiousNewt> Are you sure it's connected?
[22:49] <opensauce> now it does not and dolphin doesn't show it
[22:49] <opensauce> yup
[22:49] <opensauce> I tried other devices
[22:49] <opensauce> no god
[22:49] <opensauce> no go*
[23:04] <y4ns> Ups...
[23:04] <y4ns> :/
[23:04] <y4ns> No sound
[23:04] <y4ns> Damn it
[23:32] <solifugus> how can I get back to the video driver installer?  need to return to noveau because the nvideo one freezes..
[23:35] <rocco> Hello
[23:36] <rocco> can i use homerun-kicker on 12.04 ?? thanks
[23:41] <y4ns> hi
[23:41] <rocco> hi
[23:41] <y4ns> question. How to install realter linux drivers on kubuntu
[23:42] <rocco> wireless ?
[23:42] <rocco> same issue here with ralink..
[23:44] <y4ns> no, sound card
[23:44] <rocco> search on muon
[23:44] <y4ns> nothing found
[23:44] <y4ns> I download already from realtet site.
[23:44] <y4ns> But it'S little bit complicated.
[23:44] <y4ns> :/


[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:05]  * stgraber waves
[15:05] <slangasek> sorry I'm late... fighting with a dying laptop this week :/
[15:05] <doko> hi
[15:05] <jodh> o/
[15:06] <cjwatson> hi
[15:06] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:07] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:07] <slangasek> doko stgraber bdmurray jodh xnox cjwatson stokachu barry slangasek
[15:07] <slangasek> doko: you're first :)
[15:08] <doko> - archive opening
[15:08] <doko> - arm64 fixes
[15:08] <doko> - forwarded arm64 patches to Debian
[15:08] <doko> - scanned arm64 build logs and files bugs (only) in Debian
[15:08] <doko> - Linaro toolchain updates
[15:08] <doko> - MIR's, promotions, fixing ftbfs
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> doko: anything noteworthy in the Linaro toolchain updates?
[15:10] <doko> no, already had most of these changes
[15:10] <slangasek> ok
[15:10] <stgraber> (Once again didn't have time for a fancy weekly report, was busy fighting with graphviz)
[15:10] <stgraber> Ubuntu 13.10 release.
[15:10] <stgraber> Some help with 14.04 opening.
[15:10] <stgraber> Quite a few merges and help with ongoing transitions.
[15:10] <stgraber> Working on LXC upstream QA infrastructure, release 1.0~alpha2 and usual code reviews.
[15:10] <stgraber> Some debug work on Ubuntu Touch.
[15:10] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:11] <bdmurray> bug triage (lots of release upgrade reports)
[15:11] <bdmurray> triage and SRU verification of bug 1241420
[15:11] <bdmurray> tested ubiquity bug 1240683
[15:11] <bdmurray> worked on a fix for apport bug 1084979
[15:11] <bdmurray> fixed software-properties bug 1239893
[15:11] <bdmurray> prepared S SRUs for bug 1075537 and bug 1239893
[15:11] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 1075537
[15:11] <bdmurray> fixed ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1241123, bug 1241660
[15:11] <bdmurray> preparing an SRU upload fixing bug 1232363
[15:11] <bdmurray> update metarelease file for saucy-updates and trusty
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into possible procps regresssion bug 1157643
[15:11] <bdmurray> updated the phased updater to ignore already installed and configured pkg install failures
[15:11] <bdmurray> updated rls- and isotesting reports for trusty
[15:12] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <jodh> * Boot
[15:12] <jodh>   - Fixed bug 1240686.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Investigating overcoming ptrace limitations.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Fixed minor Session Init-specific issue in 'initctl check-config'.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Identified cause of bug 901038.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Wrote a fix for bug 1235649.
[15:12] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bugs-1235649+1203595/+merge/191852
[15:12] <jodh>     Original solution was generic but suffered from an annoying
[15:12] <jodh>     limitation. After discussions with slangasek, we now have a superior
[15:12] <jodh>     (albeit very d-bus specific) solution that doesn't suffer from the
[15:12] <jodh>     original fixes limitation. Currently working on the new solution.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Raised new MP on salvaged new environ_remove() tests from MP above:
[15:12] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/environ-remove-tests/+merge/192506
[15:12] <jodh>   - Raised a couple of boot-related blueprints for vUDS:
[15:12] <jodh>     https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-upstart-roadmap
[15:12] <jodh>     https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-boot-ui
[15:12] <jodh> * Other
[15:12] <jodh>   - Wrote sosreport plugins for upstart and procenv (now merged - thanks
[15:13] <jodh>     stokachu!)
[15:13] <jodh> ʄ
[15:13] <xnox> * release week was fun, saucy is out
[15:13] <xnox> * committed a few post-release bugfixes to ubiquity et.al.
[15:13] <xnox> * boost transition in-progress only a few things left to fix, and
[15:13] <xnox>   waiting for powerpc to catch up.
[15:13] <xnox> * Working on emulator:
[15:13] <xnox>   - build-your-own instructions are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[15:13] <xnox>   - packaging it into the archive atm, fighting it's build-machinery
[15:13] <xnox>   to actually build everything from scratch and not use prebuilts
[15:13] <xnox>   - fixup upstart socket bridge to not clober up PATH, it's built in
[15:14] <xnox>   non-virt ppa will try adbd on ubuntu host bring up in the emulated
[15:14] <xnox>   images today.
[15:14] <xnox> * ps tore my weak ligaments playing volleyball, so on crutches in bed
[15:14] <xnox>   on painkillers at the moment.
[15:14] <xnox> * TODO:
[15:14] <xnox>   - package/upload emulator
[15:14] <xnox>   - get adbd working
[15:14] <xnox>   - upstart code reviews
[15:14] <cjwatson> ow
[15:14] <xnox>   - ubiquity code reviews (we have a massive merge proposal of
[15:14] <xnox>   Autopilot driven installations)
[15:14] <xnox> ..
[15:14] <cjwatson> too much fun
[15:14] <barry> xnox: 404
[15:14] <barry> xnox: er, 500 maybe
[15:15] <barry> finicky wiki
[15:15] <cjwatson> Helping to open trusty.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Coordinating ridiculously complex Perl 5.18 transition.  Cleaning up loose ends now.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Writing some slide decks for client sprint.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Merges, merges, merges.  And some build fixes on the side.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Band-aided bug 1242417.  It's still all a mess.
[15:15] <cjwatson> ..
[15:18] <slangasek> barry: your turn, I think
[15:18] <barry> slangasek: ah, no stokachu?
[15:18] <barry> anyway..
[15:18] <barry> system-image: LP: #1221843; LP: #1238071; LP: #1240434; LP: #1243612; general bug triaging.  LP: #1217098 - nearly done but having very weird problem with not seeing some signals from u-d-m.
[15:18] <barry> other: LP: #1242835. psutil merge from debian.  dmb meeting.
[15:18] <barry> done
[15:20] <slangasek> well, I didn't hear anything from him, so I assume he's not here :)
[15:20] <slangasek> stokachu: you here?  or are you sprinting?
[15:21] <slangasek> ok
[15:21] <slangasek>  * prep for client sprint next week
[15:21] <slangasek>  * fighting with a dying laptop... apparently time for a refresh whether I wanted it or not
[15:21] <slangasek>  * working through my Debian merges for trusty
[15:21] <slangasek>  * upstart MP reviews
[15:21] <slangasek>  * working with xnox on getting goldfish into a usable state
[15:21] <slangasek>  * SRU reviews for saucy (udev fix for maguro, bug #1234743)
[15:21] <slangasek> (done)
[15:21] <slangasek> questions anywhere?
[15:22] <xnox> slangasek: are you getting Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon?
[15:22] <xnox> =)
[15:22] <slangasek> xnox: it's one of the ones in the running right now :)
[15:22] <slangasek> xnox: do you want to steer me away from it? :)
[15:23] <xnox> slangasek: i think it's the way forward! take one with touch screen!
[15:23]  * xnox <3 unity8
[15:24] <slangasek> noted :)
[15:24] <slangasek> but this time, I'm going to get my plans cross-checked with the kernel team before I buy... failed to do that first with this one and it's given me no end of grief :P
[15:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] UDS blueprints
[15:24] <slangasek> so UDS is coming up on November 19-21
[15:25] <slangasek> we've been asked to get our blueprints in by the end of this month
[15:25] <slangasek> because with it being an online event, it seems that it's harder for people to schedule time when the sessions are moving around on the schedule at the last minute
[15:27] <slangasek> so a few people have already started registering their blueprints, which is good
[15:27] <slangasek> I'll have some more blueprints that I'll get in touch with people individually about getting on the schedule
[15:28] <slangasek> otherwise, please get blueprints registered for anything you think we need to talk about :)
[15:28] <slangasek> BTW, this time around there's going to be a Core track instead of a Foundations track
[15:28] <slangasek> no more running kernel sessions on the foundations track :-)
[15:28] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:28] <cjwatson> I wonder if there'll actually be any room for our slots :)
[15:28] <cjwatson> Who's running the core track?  Alex?
[15:29] <cjwatson> (In terms of video operation and such)
[15:29] <slangasek> I expect it's the engineering managers running them
[15:29] <slangasek> the core track is officially expanded to two "rooms" fwiw
[15:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:30] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:31] <slangasek> great work on 13.10, y'all, and on a speedy opening for trusty :)
[15:31] <bdmurray> I was wondering what the plan with bug 1069133 was, as lots of people upgrading ran into this issue.
[15:31] <barry> 13.10.  that's so last week. :)  already on trusty (at least on one machine so far)
[15:32] <doko> what about +1 maintenance this cycle?
[15:32] <slangasek> xnox: hmm, that bug is assigned to you, but it was assigned back in March. ;)  Do you remember anything about it?
[15:34] <xnox> slangasek: i think i assigned it to myself as I was also affected by it at the time.
[15:34] <slangasek> ok
[15:34] <slangasek> do you recall if we had any idea at the time what to do to improve this?
[15:34] <xnox> slangasek: as far as I remember the solution was to either (a) ppa-purge X-swat ppa before upgrading & downgrade to release or (b) upgrade with X-swat ppa enabled, upgraded to next one
[15:35] <slangasek> right
[15:35] <xnox> slangasek: at the moment, we disable ppa and try upgrade.... which does not work. I wonder if we can do an upgrade calculation with downgrading $core packages to release first.
[15:36] <xnox> or at least say you have packages from these PPAs installed, would you like to get rid of them first, before upgrading?
[15:37] <slangasek> that seems like a fair option
[15:37] <slangasek> do you want to take a stab at that this next/week with bdmurray?
[15:38] <xnox> slangasek: ok.
[15:38] <slangasek> xnox: thanks
[15:38] <xnox> slangasek: at the latest, we can do a quirk for xorg-edgers/ppa, since it's probably so common.
[15:38] <slangasek> doko: +1 maintenance> I will bring that up with the engineering managers next week at the client sprint
[15:38]  * xnox "latest?!" i mean "at least"
[15:39] <doko> slangasek, I'll visit you on Friday ;)
[15:39] <slangasek> doko: heh
[15:39] <slangasek> doko: you mean you're not coming to the every-DD-in-the-Bay beering on Wednesday? :)
[15:39] <doko> so tell me when the party starts ...
[15:40] <doko> slangasek, no it's the evening for the toolchain working group wine and cheese party =)
[15:40] <slangasek> hah
[15:40] <slangasek> priorities
[15:40] <slangasek> ok - anything else?
[15:41] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 15:41:33 2013 UTC.
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[15:41] <slangasek> thanks, folks :)
[15:41] <barry> thanks!
[15:41] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:41] <jodh> thanks!


[00:00] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64445/
[00:06] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: can you browse the dvd using nautilus?  this looks like a hardware issue to me
[00:07] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: yes i can.
[00:09] <bdmurray> do you have any other dvds to test with?
[00:09] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: yes
[00:10] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: let me try that now.
[00:11] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: hmm seems tokyo drift wont work either
[00:15] <doug2266778822> bdmurray: any ideas?
[00:16] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: nothing brilliant at the moment
[00:17] <mr-russ> is the edge kernel really today's bug focus?  if so, why focus on something with 1 week's support left?
[00:18] <bdmurray> mr-russ: edgy is actually eol today.
[00:18] <mr-russ> yeah.  so it there another focus, or a general day?
[00:19] <bdmurray> we normally have bug days on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the focus varies
[00:20]  * mr-russ should read the full bug day wiki page before making comments.
[00:20] <bdmurray> doug2266778822: you could make sure the package you were installing is installed via 'dpkg -l 'pkgname in a terminal
[00:25] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  i am trying somethng else right now.
[00:28] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  i done this  sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/hardy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list                 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update             sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2   and it is still giving me probs.
[00:31] <bdmurray> I'm really not certain what is wrong here.  You might check to see what region your dvd drive is set to via regionset but I'm not familiar with that very much.
[00:33] <doug2266778822> bdmurray:  could it be cause i am on 64 bit?
[00:34] <bdmurray> Nope, I'm on 64 bit on a couple of systems and can watch dvds
[00:35] <doug2266778822> what codes did u use to beable to watch them?
[00:36] <bdmurray> You said you could watch one dvd right? So its not the codecs.  Its either the DVD encryption, region settings or hardware.
[00:36] <doug2266778822> how do i change the region setting
[00:37] <bdmurray> you could check it and change it with regionset, but you can only do that a limited number of times and it isn't my area of experise
[00:39] <doug2266778822> wow only a set number of times that is stupid
[00:52] <lucent> doug2266778822: be very careful, you will toast your drive if you set it too many times
[00:52] <lucent> the only possible fix is to buy a new drive and throw the old one away, if you do this
[00:53] <doug2266778822> lucent:  toaste it how by adding and removing codecs?
[00:53] <lucent> no
[00:53] <lucent> "regionset" don't do that
[00:54] <lucent> playing region-restricted DVD video discs is possible without sending your drive a command to set the region
[00:54] <lucent> you need to use "videolan" media player with "libdvdcss"
[00:54] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i have not gone that route yet
[00:54] <lucent> "libdvdcss" may be illegal to posess in your country
[00:54] <lucent> where are you located?
[00:55] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i have but when i click file open disc then openw ith menu or with out vlc closes on me
[00:55] <doug2266778822> lucent: in Tx
[00:55] <lucent> the country of Texas?
[00:55]  * lucent facepalms
[00:56] <lucent> well, to my knowlege we're not supposed to have libdvdcss in the USA
[00:56] <lucent> because of the DMCA laws
[00:56] <doug2266778822> lucent: usa
[00:56] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol sorry
[00:56] <lucent> there's a legitimately licensed DVD decoder from the Fluendo company
[00:56] <lucent> I think it costs less than $50usd
[00:57] <doug2266778822> lucent:  i know someone who lives in usa and done the codecs and now it works on his he paid nothing
[00:57] <secretlondon> yeah of course, its whether its illegal or not
[00:57] <lucent> doug2266778822: he's probably in violation of the DMCA laws
[00:58] <lucent> sure, you could do it, but I don't want to be thrown into a US-sanctioned torturing camp. Thanks.
[00:58] <doug2266778822> lucent:  how can i work around this and why will it cost just to watch dvd's?
[00:59] <lucent> doug2266778822: the Motion Picture Artists Association lobbied Congress to pass the Patriot Act, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, to help them maintain a monopoly on profits from DVD player manufacturers, amongst other reasons
[00:59] <doug2266778822> lucent:  when i ran on feisty about two yrs ago i didnt have this problem.
[01:00] <lucent> we've never been able to play CSS encrypted DVD video discs on fresh installs of Ubuntu OS
[01:00] <lucent> so, it was something you did before
[01:00] <lucent> I think the Fluendo thing is something to look into
[01:00] <lucent> let's try that
[01:02] <lucent> http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=dvd
[01:02] <lucent> doug2266778822: personally, I don't ever bother with DVD video for this reason
[01:03] <doug2266778822> lucent:  im trying to get it to work for my 5 yr old son who wants to watch movies
[01:03] <doug2266778822> i just do not want to pay for it i mean vlc you never had to with xp
[01:04] <lucent> Microsoft has paid to include a licensed copy of DVD playback directshow filters with their media player
[01:05] <doug2266778822> lucent: then could i get vlc .exe and run it wine wise?
[01:05] <lucent> you'll get a "better" answer out of someone who has no regard for local law ;)
[01:05] <lucent> it does work but I can't tell you how to do it.
[01:06] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol thanks and i respect your ways of obeying the law even though it is going to hell in  a hand baskett
[01:11] <lucent> doug2266778822: Canada is looking better and better every day
[01:11]  * lucent :/
[01:11] <doug2266778822> lucent: lol not the usa ='(
[01:12] <lucent> those portable DVD player units are cheap and perfect for the kids, I have seen them on every plane flight nowadays
[01:13] <lucent> "130usd" is not really cheap to most people, but it is less expensive than what you'd have to do to get the kid to be quiet for a couple of hours a day anyhow
[01:13] <doug2266778822> lucent:  lol yea same here but the screen is so SMALL!
[01:14] <lucent> does a 5-year old kid care? :P   no way! they should be lucky to have a block of wood and a charmed life to have a second block of wood
[01:14] <lucent> shoot I grew up all I had was a rusty meccano set, and I was living the good life with that
[01:15] <doug2266778822> haha shoot me all i had was out doors and anything i could find out side to play with.
[01:21] <bdmurray> greg-g: ping
[01:28] <greg-g> bdmurray: pong
[01:29] <bdmurray> greg-g: I've found what I was looking for I think.  Sorry for the false alarm.
[01:30] <greg-g> bdmurray: no worries
[02:07] <howapt> Does anyone know where the login scripts are kept? Im fairly new to linux in general, but since upgrading to hardy I now have to log in twice ¬¬ was wondering if theres a .conf file or what have you
[02:12] <gravemind> I'm having trouble with the alt cd updater, but I'm not sure if I need to report a bug, what do you thing, bug peopls?
[03:01] <dsas> gravemind: If it's a bug then report it :)
[03:01] <dsas> (unless it already has been reported)
[03:01] <gravemind> dsas the thing is I wonder if its just something wrong with my computer
[03:01] <gravemind> or if it's something wrong with the code
[03:01] <gravemind> how do I know
[03:01] <dsas> gravemind: If you explain the problem then maybe someone else will...
[03:02] <dsas> gravemind: the other thing you can do is use the support tracker on launchpad - then if it is a bug someone will hopefully notice and create a bug from it.
[03:02] <gravemind> ok - it's with the amd64 alternate cd, when I run the ugrader it hangs on the first step (preparing upgrader, checking package manager)
[03:02] <gravemind> should I just create a bug that says that
[03:03] <gravemind> and include the logs
[03:03] <dsas> gravemind: Yes please.
[03:03] <gravemind> alrighty :)
[03:03] <gravemind> thanks
[03:04] <greg-g> gravemind: and do a disk check (one of the options from the boot menu of the cd, the integrity of the cd check)
[03:04] <gravemind> alright, will do
[03:05] <gravemind> greg-g: I'm not using a physical cd though, I'm just mounting the image
[03:05] <greg-g> gravemind: to clarify, I mean check the cd's integrity, not your harddrive
[03:05] <gravemind> which worked ok for my other two computers
[03:05] <gravemind> but this one is 64 bit
[03:05] <greg-g> in a virtualized situation of PXE?
[03:05] <greg-g> s/of/or
[03:06] <gravemind> I just did this
[03:06] <gravemind>  sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/phix/Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso /media/cdrom/0
[03:06] <gravemind> aj
[03:06] <gravemind> ah
[03:06] <gravemind> maybe that's the problem
[03:07] <gravemind> no, it still doesn't work even when I change /cdrom/0 to /cdrom0
[03:14] <greg-g> gravemind: not sure
[03:18] <gravemind> here, what do you think? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/222278
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222278 in update-manager "[Gutsy to Hardy] amd64 alt cd upgrade hangs on first step" [Undecided,New]
[03:20] <greg-g> gravemind: good report (you provided good information) but I can't find anything in the logs that scream "this is what went wrong" to me :(
[03:20] <greg-g> of course, I'm not the best at debugging upgrades
[03:21] <gravemind> yeah, I couldn't find anything either :(
[03:21] <gravemind> I had a problem with the upgrader earlier, but in that case, it didn't want to remove nvidia-glx, so I could remove it beforehand and things were ok after that
[03:43] <bdmurray> gravemind: can you post your sources.list file?
[03:43] <gravemind> sure thing
[03:45] <gravemind> /etc/apt/sources.list <http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13918359/sources.list>
[03:46] <bdmurray> hrm
[03:46] <bdmurray> It's probably a -proposed package causing the issue
[03:47] <gravemind> hmm
[03:47] <gravemind> what can I do then?
[03:53] <bdmurray> your apt.log looks strange too
[03:54] <bdmurray> did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy at one point?
[03:54] <gravemind> yes
[03:54] <gravemind> back when gutsy was new, I think
[03:56] <gravemind> yes I did, because I remember having to get the iced tea java instead of the regular java
[03:56] <bdmurray> some of the logs are from from that upgrade
[03:56] <gravemind> hmm
[03:56] <bdmurray> like main_pre_req.log
[03:57] <bdmurray> and most of apt.log
[03:57] <gravemind> there's something that stops the dist upgrade before it can really do anything, that's why the logs are all old
[03:57] <bdmurray> right
[03:59] <bdmurray> do you see anything in the terminal you start the upgrade in?
[04:00] <gravemind> no, after I run gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupdate" it just leaves that command open and doesn't do anything until I ctrl-c
[04:05] <bdmurray> look in /tmp/ for a file named hardy
[04:05] <bdmurray> we could try executing that directly and see what happens
[04:05] <gravemind> I don't see one in /tmp/
[04:05] <gravemind> but that was the name of the prog that locked the cache
[04:07] <bdmurray> I found it in /tmp/tmp.xyz/hardy
[04:07] <bdmurray> but I'm just guessing this might be more revealing
[04:09] <gravemind> I'm seeing lots of distupgrade files as well
[04:09] <gravemind> ok I found hardy
[04:09] <gravemind> it's a python script
[04:09] <bdmurray> right
[04:09] <gravemind> "python hardy" and see what happens?
[04:10] <bdmurray> so execute it via 'sudo python hardy --cdrom /cdrom'
[04:10] <gravemind> gotcha
[04:11] <gravemind> oops, still locked, just a sec
[04:12] <gravemind> hmm, same thing happens as if I do it the other way
[04:12] <gravemind> no output in terminal
[04:20] <bdmurray> I'm about stuck now is there a reason you aren't trying a network upgrade?
[04:23] <bdmurray> You could see if it can do the calculation w/o doing the full upgrade
[04:23] <gravemind> just because servers were slow
[04:23] <gravemind> calculation?
[04:24] <bdmurray> it'll present you with information about the upgrade and then ask if you want to proceed
[04:24] <gravemind> oh ok - I'll give it a shot
[04:24] <gravemind> us mirrors I guess
[04:32] <gravemind> it's still downloading the upgrade tool
[04:34] <bdmurray> hunh
[04:36] <gravemind> ergh
[04:36] <gravemind> guess what
[04:36] <gravemind> hangs in the same place :(
[04:38] <bdmurray> how long do you give it?
[04:39] <gravemind> it's still open right now
[04:39] <gravemind> I left it open for half an hour once
[04:39] <gravemind> but it turns blank if I drag another window over it
[04:43] <bdmurray> I think it is going to take a developer's help to figure this one out
[04:45] <gravemind> yea - I hope they see the bug report
[04:45] <gravemind> I'm going to have to call it a night soon
[04:45] <bdmurray> gravemind: I'll make sure they do
[04:45] <gravemind> thanks
[07:21] <Arelis> I found a broken package. the name is 'funguloids' and it has dependencies that can't be satisfied
[07:21] <Arelis> the name of the dependency is ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager
[07:21] <Arelis> !info funguloids
[07:21] <ubotu> funguloids (source: funguloids): space-flying-mushroom-picking-simulator game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.06-4 (hardy), package size 14449 kB, installed size 20600 kB
[07:21] <Arelis> !depends funguloids
[07:27] <techno_freak> Arelis, file a bug
[07:38] <t3r0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218637   < can anyone else confirm this
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218637 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Piping commands does not work always" [Undecided,New]
[07:44]  * techno_freak looks into it
[07:45] <techno_freak> works for me, will check out with a fresh install of hardy
[08:30] <wolfger> anybody else having 5-a-day issues after gutsy->hardy upgrade?
[09:08] <elmargol> If someone reports a missing feature (not a regression) on a old release (gutsy) wich is fixed on a newer version... Can I reject the bug?
[09:12] <thekorn> elmargol, I think I would close it with "fix released" and  a response similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-246b9a0b2091d7aee70afd2b0579dbbc986eb51b
[09:15] <elmargol> thx
[09:43] <askand> Anyone knows something about the status of bug 59695 ?
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59695 in suse "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695
[10:30] <Iulian> G'morning
[10:48] <hggdh> g'morning Iulian
[12:47] <ffm_> Wouldn't #222496 be an invalid bug, or converted to a question?
[12:48] <jeromeg> bug #222496
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222496 in update-manager "Please allow upgrade from local ISP archives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222496
[12:48] <ffm_> jeromeg, They want their ISP's repos to be added to the mirror list. I pointed them to the "register a mirror" page.
[12:49] <jeromeg> this is definately not a bug with update manager
[12:50] <jeromeg> so the bug task can be closed
[12:53] <ffm_> jeromeg, I converted it to a question.
[12:53] <jeromeg> ffm_: cool
[12:54] <ffm_> Worlds most descriptive bug: bug 22498.
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22498 in linux-source-2.6.15 "skge driver doesn't handle setting hardware address immediately after being upped" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22498
[12:54] <ffm_> *bug 222498
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222498 in ubuntu "Save as" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222498
[12:55] <jeromeg> ffm_: :)
[12:56] <jeromeg> ffm_: don't forget to set the bug status when triaging
[12:56] <jeromeg> I moved the bug as incomplete for you
[12:56] <ffm_> jeromeg, Just remembered.
[12:56] <ffm_> Oh?
[12:56] <ffm_> jeromeg, Ah, I see.
[12:57] <jeromeg> ffm_: i think it's also always nice to say something like "Thank you for your bug report." at the beginning
[12:57] <ffm_> jeromeg, Will do. I've not done a lot of this before.
[12:57] <jeromeg> ffm_: no problem, it's just a little advice to improve ;)
[13:58] <ffm_> Can someone (other than me) confirm bug #222525 for me?
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222525 in nautilus "Cannot modify removable media mountpoint when unmounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222525
[14:28] <Jazzva> bdmurray: ping
[14:35] <hggdh> ffm_: what exactly did you do on the removable device?
[14:38] <calc> catching up with bugmail takes forever :\
[14:38]  * calc has 125+ left to go through
[14:41] <bddebian> Boo
[14:41]  * calc gets about 4-5 new bugs a day plus old bug updates
[15:42] <Stomp442> Anyone willing to help me out with some issues with AWN and/or Emerald?
[15:54] <ofh> hello
[15:54] <ofh> :-D
[16:46] <danage> so in the hardy final, there is a firefox that crashes on every second or so page with flash and sound that you open
[16:49] <Nafallo> danage: can't reproduce that. do you have libflashsupport installed?
[16:50] <Nigromante> hello
[16:51] <danage> i do.
[16:52] <Nigromante> i want to know if anyone is having problems with panel positions in gnome. Thay change randomly between logins in 8.04 (i want them on low position, both) This didnt happen in gutsy
[16:53] <danage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
[16:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents when using libflashsupport" [High,In progress]
[16:56] <Nafallo> danage: can you reproduce if you uninstall that package?
[16:56] <danage> libflashsupport?
[16:58] <Nafallo> yes
[16:58] <danage> will try and report back
[17:30] <fkbreitl> Hello, I found a suspend to RAM problem for HP nc6120 laptops. I filed this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/222561 . I would appreciate any support.
[17:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222561 in ubuntu "Suspend to ram occasionally not resuming on HP nc6120 with Ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,New]
[17:39]  * yuriy wonders whether to consider bug 222141 a bug
[17:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222141 in kdepim "Color of Items changed after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222141
[18:32] <h00k> Hm, I have a bug to fill a report for, I can't seem to find any  duplicates.  What's the best way to go about that?  I believe it's in the kernel
[18:35] <MightyTweek> h00k: are you asking the best way to report the bug or to search for duplicates?
[18:36] <h00k> MightyTweek: I guess the best way to report a bug, I got a bunch of useful debug info
[18:37] <h00k> MightyTweek: but found nothing too similar, I think it's new
[18:38] <MightyTweek> Check out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:38] <h00k> yeah, I am just looking ther enow
[18:39] <greg-g> h00k: and you can practically never give too much information
[18:39] <h00k> greg-g: okay.  Cool.
[18:39] <h00k> Im reporting it now :)
[18:40] <greg-g> h00k: good deal
[18:47] <h00k> greg-g, MightyTweek: thanks, that was pretty painless
[18:48] <MightyTweek> no problem
[19:29] <ffm_> hggdh, I changed the mount point from the default (empty, auto-genereated) to "/media/wd0" (which is invalid, it should be "wd0" as / isn't allowed in drive mount names)
[21:08] <hggdh> secretlondon: cheers
[21:08] <secretlondon> hggdh: is that useful?
[21:08] <secretlondon> i've set one to 60 and will try rebooting
[21:08] <hggdh> secretlondon: yes. methinks this is a race on buildup of the gnome session
[21:10] <hggdh> and, perhaps, I do not get hit because I have two CPUs. Perhaps. I posit that almost all that were hit have one single CPU. I wonder if I am correct
[21:14] <secretlondon> I don't have a multi cpu machine to test on
[21:16] <hggdh> secretlondon: that's OK. But -- if you do not get hit by it after upping the order, then that is already good results...
[21:16] <hggdh> you might need to up both of the entries
[23:24] <macabro22> Hello
[23:24] <secretlondon> hi
[23:25] <macabro22> I am trying to update my distribution and I got a message saying update manager found an unresolvable error and I should file a bug against it and attach a log file from /var/log/dist-upgrade
[23:25] <macabro22> can you guys help me out?
[23:27] <ffm> macabro22, try #ubuntu
[23:28] <macabro22> ok
[23:29] <gor1> which is very (++very) busy right now, so u gonna need a little patience, but someone might have same problem as u u see:)
[23:29] <ffm> Hey, I'm new to triaging, and am wondering what to do with bug #222498.
[23:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222498 in ubuntu "Save as" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222498
[23:30] <dsas> eh macabro22, if you've come to report a bug then we can help you with that, if you've come to find a workaround/solution then yes #ubuntu is the best place for that.
[23:30] <secretlondon> macabro22, one issue is that if you have random stuff in your sources.list then upgrading will probably fail
[23:30] <macabro22> dsas: I would like to file a bug, thats all.
[23:31] <ffm> macabro22, feel free to.
[23:31] <macabro22> ffm: I am new to this. So I heard I have to find out if the bug has already been filed first. How do I do that?
[23:32] <secretlondon> you file bugs on launchpad, the form will search to see if there are similar bugs
[23:33] <dsas> macabro22: You can browse https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bugs (though there's a fair few to browse through) or just try to file a bug and see if it finds any (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug)
[23:33] <secretlondon> ffm it needs moving to openoffice from ubuntu
[23:34] <secretlondon> as they can select a new desktop it's not a computer freeze, or even x
[23:35] <macabro22> ffm: can I find out whether it has already been filed by looking at that /var/log/dist-upgrade log file?
[23:35] <secretlondon> macabro22, not easily
[23:36] <secretlondon> it's the error that's interesting anyway
[23:39] <macabro22> secretlondon: the update crashes in the beginning, right after reading the release notes.  I am not sure if I should file a bug against the update-manager or against the openoffice package
[23:46] <secretlondon> macabro22, file it on update manager, and if it is openoffice then someone will move
[23:46] <secretlondon> I can't do a lot without the message anyway


[02:31] <coopster> hey, i'm making a page on how to configure a G15 keyboard.  first page, any pointers?
[08:58] <coopster> fdskajdfk, does ubuntu's wiki cache things that you make a preview of?  that doc was just pure gold and now it's dead.
[10:49] <mdke_> coopster: no, I don't think it does
[11:05] <mpt> coopster, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/<yourwikinamehere>/MoinEditorBackup
[11:07] <mdke_> ah, nice. Was wondering if that was in 1.3 already
[11:08] <mdke_> how are you mpt
[11:08] <mpt> It's been in Moin since I've ever used it
[11:08] <mpt> mdke_, ok, I even have e-mail now
[11:08] <mpt> How are you? :-)
[11:08] <mdke_> very well thanks
[11:09] <mdke_> you lost email?
[11:09] <mpt> Yeah, for 1.5 weeks
[11:11] <mdke_> I'll give you an imap account if you like
[11:11] <mdke_> I have loads and loads of space going on my shared hosting with dreamhost
[11:16] <mpt> Dreamhost are down more often than my e-mail account is :-)
[11:16] <mpt> But thanks anyway
[11:16] <mdke> heh. They're not so bad
[03:13] <coopster> mpt, thanks.  i only wish now that i had made the home page first like the wiki recommended ;)
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #93437 in ubuntu-doc "'Sample' links give 404 error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93437
[06:49] <alefteris> hi everyone, how can i translate the firefox frontpage for feisty?
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #56958 in gdm "GDM Login font become super large after enabling Nvidia Driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56958
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> why is that showing up in here
[09:53] <dsas> someone filed it wrong.
[09:54] <dsas> uhm, but that was fixed months ago.
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i just saw it in my email today...oh well


[11:02] <userman> HoLa?
[11:03] <userman> xD
[11:07] <userman> Ăą
[11:07] <userman> Hey bros
[11:08] <userman> me aburrrrro
[11:18] <TimApple> Hello
[13:14] <ubumate> luisa
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[13:39] <jake__> Can someone let me know how I stop ubuntu-mate from turning off my monitors when I close the laptop lid
[13:44] <diogenes_> jake__, did you look into power manager settings?
[13:44] <jake__> That's it
[13:45] <jake__> It still registers the screen is there and takes the cursor... but it's better than it was
[13:46] <diogenes_> if you wanna try something else, you can install mate-power-manager, for me personally it works better
[17:37] <jfk_> hi...I am new to this OS, and would like to learn how to remote use my other computers?
[17:47] <d_1_stortion> teamviewer?
[21:07] <hgonzalez> Hi all, Ia installed Thunderbird from the binary packages at gethunderbid (v 52). I would not have them that way and I'd rather have a PPA and a DEB. Do you know if any PPA that will let me install v52 of Thunderbird?
[21:08] <hgonzalez> I need this version specifically because I need to use Exquilla (ugh, but that's the way it is here)
[21:15] <sixwheeledbeast> If you need to have a specific version just install it with dpkg -i. PPA would only be for updates.
[21:18] <sixwheeledbeast> You can also apt a version if the repo has that version in there. apt-get install thunderbird=52.x.x for example
[21:20] <hgonzalez> I will look for a specific version in the repo, I really want to stop using the binary tarball. Thanks!
[22:28] <sixwheeledbeast> If you install the version you need you can pin it with apt too


[00:00] <wgrant> Er, 23000
[00:01] <wgrant> 4000 queries to 10 for trusty amd64
[00:01] <cjwatson> Score
[00:04] <cjwatson> Tempting to get this deployed first thing tomorrow and find out.
[00:04] <wgrant> The actual query time is negligible, so we're really down to Python optimisation now if we want to go further.
[00:04] <wgrant> And at that point you might as well skip the Storm objects, since they could easily be 30% of the remaining overhead.
[00:10] <wgrant> The SSDs should also help a lot with the cold cache case, but if not we can pull some tricks with index-only scans.
[00:12] <cjwatson> Yeah, I guess my 17043 runs weren't really cold cache to start with
[00:15] <cjwatson> cron.ppa's two publish-distro runs combined averaged 656 seconds in the 99 runs in today's log file
[01:41] <wgrant> cprov: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-1083709/+merge/222895
[01:57] <cprov> wgrant: on it
[02:02] <cprov> wgrant: now, isDriver(IPerson) works for IHasDriver and IHasDrivers ?
[02:03] <wgrant> cprov: Right. isOneOfDrivers always did, but there's no reason for isDriver to not also consider .drivers.
[02:03] <cprov> wgrant: looks sensible, I don't get the old isOneOfDrivers() ...
[02:05] <wgrant> cprov: Thanks
[02:09] <wgrant> cprov, cjwatson: I'm tagging possibly-RTM-relevant bugs "phone-rtm"
[02:10] <cprov> wgrant: okay
[02:10] <cprov> wgrant: will we consider the ppa publisher scale a problem for rtm ?
[02:11] <wgrant> cprov: No, but it'
[02:11] <wgrant> s mostly fixed now anyway.
[02:11] <wgrant> RTM isn't going to use any significantly sized PPAs.
[02:12] <cprov> right, the derived-distros is a way of avoiding huge PPAs
[02:13] <cprov> but it kind of hold us a little more to a-f
[02:13] <wgrant> No more than Ubuntu does.
[02:17] <cprov> true
[05:19] <stub> lifeless: pytz.FixedOffset(minutes), which never seemed to make it into the README
[05:19] <lifeless> stub: AHHA
[05:19] <lifeless> stub: <3
[08:55] <cjwatson> cprov: We identified PPA publishing performance as an issue when figuring out what to do for RTM, but it wasn't the reason we decided to use a derived distribution instead.  The reason for that was that PPAs are insufficiently isolated from their parent distribution: they still use the parent in builds, and chroots aren't archive-specific.
[08:56] <cjwatson> The model works better if we split out an entire new series.
[12:53] <cprov> cjwatson: I see, thanks for contextualising it.
[18:35] <lifeless> cprov: any chance, if I file a bug, that adding specs via the API would be done soon ?
[18:35] <lifeless> cprov: it looks like bugs are adding via the /bugs collection, but there is no /specifications top level collection, so the createSpecification method isn't exposed
[18:36] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ if you happen to be in an awake state before cprov answers :))
[18:36] <cprov> lifeless: I can certainly look at it and figure out how much effort would be involved
[18:37] <lifeless> cprov: that would rock :)
[18:37] <cprov> lifeless: cool, *bug* me and I will discuss it later with wgrant
[18:39] <lifeless> cprov: wicked - thanks! https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1329424
[18:39] <_mup_> Bug #1329424: cannot create specification via API <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329424>


[04:03] <mfisch> Noskcaj: I'm looking at lm-sensors
[04:07] <mfisch> do we want to drop dependencies on dh-systemd?
[04:11] <Noskcaj> mfisch, does anything get hurt by systemd in this case? Going off the bug, it's more an addition than forcing anything
[04:12] <mfisch> Well to be honest I'm not sure what impact it has
[04:12] <mfisch> the package exists in Ubuntu already
[04:13] <Noskcaj> I reckon just merge it, we've got plenty of time to fix if anything bad is introduced. the bug is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714190
[04:14] <mfisch> yeah I'm reading that bug now
[04:14] <mfisch> looks like it will drop a systemd file into the system
[04:15] <mfisch> I wonder if we have a policy or guideline on systemd files like this
[04:15] <mfisch> I dont work at Canonical anymore so at least whatever I do will not be news on OMGUbuntu
[04:27] <Unit193> Real systemd isn'
[04:28] <Unit193> t in the repo, only this shim.
[04:58] <mfisch> the dep is on dh-systemd, not real systemd
[04:58] <mfisch> looks like it's fine to leave it'
[05:03] <mfisch> Noskcaj: dputting now
[05:06] <Unit193> Sure, was just saying that the real systemd isn't actually installable, so the systemd scripts aren't exactly usable.  Several other things build-dep on it though, so in theory shouldn't cause an issue here either.
[05:06] <mfisch> well I cannot upload it
[05:07] <mfisch> I wonder if my ubuntu.com email changing caused it
[05:09] <lifeless> upload keys off of gpg key
[05:09] <lifeless> -> LP account
[05:09] <lifeless> -> team membership
[05:09] <lifeless> -> package sets etc
[05:11] <mfisch> yeah I was wondering that
[05:11] <mfisch> so the rejection is that I dont have rights to main
[05:11] <mfisch> but lm-sensors is universe
[05:17] <lifeless> is all of it ?
[05:17] <lifeless> as in - all the binaries it builds
[05:27] <Noskcaj> mfisch, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors says it's all main
[05:27] <mfisch> wth
[05:27] <mfisch> I just looked
[05:27] <mfisch> apt-cache show shows universe
[05:28] <Unit193> showsrc contains: Directory: pool/main/l/lm-sensors
[05:30] <mfisch> ah okay it's some in some not
[05:31] <mfisch> and if it's partial I guess the source package lives in main
[05:38] <mfisch> thx for the help with this mystery
[05:38] <mfisch> Noskcaj: I'll push a debdiff tomorrow so it can be sponsored
[08:13] <dholbach> good morning
[11:58] <Laney> HAH, sponsor-patch is magic
[11:59] <Laney> it noticed that a merge forgot to close the merge bug
[12:04] <Laney> GRR
[12:04] <Laney> it failed to sign the changesfile for me, and instead bailed out and deleted the working directory
[12:07] <Laney> oho, I'd already filed that