[03:19] <dobey> alex______: not sure what you mean, but you don't "port" x11 apps to xmir. xmir is a translation layer to run x11 apps on top of mir.
[03:20] <dobey> (and i'm not really here, just leaving)
[06:29] <pragomer_1> hi. using ubuntu 15.10. do I have to use "phablet-team" ppa to play a little bit with ubuntu-emulator or is the version in 15.10 working right?
[08:04] <orsonmmz> btw. has anyone managed to successfully use xmir?
[08:09] <Smurphy> xmir ? nope.
[09:57] <oSoMoN> Mirv, hey, with the latest Qt5 update on xenial, I’m seeing QUrl::topLevelDomain() always return an empty string, is that a known issue?
[09:57] <oSoMoN> Mirv, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1551145
[09:59] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I believe it's unrelated to Qt, since I was seeing the same in Qt's own unit tests, and I was forced to skip the failing tests bug #1548686 - the bug should not be closed, but assigned to the problem that apparently appeared between 2016-02-17 09:55:10 and 2016-02-19 08:50:12
[10:00] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I tried to go through all listed changes in xenial that could affect it, and build older versions of gcc5, glibc, gcc-go6 but I couldn't find anything that would fix the unit tests for (unmodified) Qt
[10:02] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I didn't get reactions from people at #ubuntu-devel
[10:02] <oSoMoN> Mirv, wow, skipping the unit tests seems like a bad idea, we should block on this failure until we find the root cause and fix it
[10:02] <oSoMoN> Mirv, it’s gonna break applications in bad ways (webbrowser-app among them)
[10:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yes, but block how?
[10:03] <oSoMoN> Mirv, well, not skipping the unit tests, and put priority on investigating the issue
[10:03] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I can help
[10:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yeah, agreed it's a priority and the skipping needs to be removed.
[10:05] <Mirv> and I'm happy to get helping hands in understanding it.
[10:06] <Mirv> I just didn't want to not be able to land multi-monitor fixes as 16.04 LTS is approaching and the changes need testing
[10:13] <oSoMoN> Mirv, understood. I’ll be downgrading packages to see if I can nail down the culprit
[10:18] <seb128> oSoMoN, Mirv, gnutls28 changed which could potentially create issues...
[10:19] <seb128> just looking at the -changes list
[11:13] <Mirv> I counted that one as being outside of the time scope since there was failing unit test already in the morning of that day
[11:14] <Mirv> but probably worth checking
[11:15] <fofo314> Has anybody in here recently install ubuntu-touch on a nexus 7 deb?
[11:17] <popey> deb isn't supported
[11:17] <popey> only flo
[11:18] <fofo314> I know, but there is an unofficial port that is mentioned in the wiki.
[11:20] <fofo314> The wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices) currently says: Nexus 7 2013 (WiFi+LTE) deb Works as well as official flo builds, but supports mobile data on LTE version of N7
[11:21] <fofo314> I was wondering if this is still correct.
[11:21] <fofo314> And if anybody has experience with that device.
[11:22] <fofo314> If this is not the correct forum for asking these questions, please let me knoq.
[11:22] <fofo314> *know
[11:24] <ogra_> this is surely the right place to ask ... but i think the tasemince server hasnt been updated in a while and also points to the rather useless devel/devel-proposed channels
[11:24] <fofo314> ok
[11:25] <ogra_> not sure if there are plans to pull it over to the ubports.com server
[11:27] <fofo314> I have just mailed tassadar to ask if he is still working on the project.
[11:29] <fofo314> What is the worst that can happen if I just put a flo version on the deb Nexus 7?
[11:30] <ogra_> it might not boot
[11:30] <fofo314> ok, but I can always flash back to stock android?
[11:31] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt touch the bootloader, so yeah, fastboot should always work
[11:32] <fofo314> it's not booting on tassadar deb version either. Ubuntu symbol appears for a few seconds and then the dead "this phone needs restoring from PC..." message appears.
[11:43] <tracinya> Hi^^
[11:44] <tracinya> I got a question concerning the ubuntu touch app store:
[11:45] <tracinya> what I see, there are some available, but is there a full list somewhere? Didn't find anything
[12:31] <raj`> is this the appropriate place to discuss Ubuntu mobile?
[12:31] <k1l_> raj`: yep
[12:31] <raj> cool
[12:31] <raj> why's it so slow?
[12:32] <raj> I was watching a video on it and it's very sluggish
[12:32] <k1l_> because you didnt make it faster
[12:32] <ogra_> what is slow for you and did you file bugs ?
[12:33] <ogra_> (and also, on what device is it slow for you)
[12:36] <raj> I love the unified idea of my computer on my phone, which would just require accessories. And I understand that it would require a lot of processing power. But are current phones practical to run a full-fledged OS like Ubuntu?
[12:38] <raj> like is gutting Ubuntu further to run on current hardware specs practical, or is further optimization diminishing returns and we really just need more powerful hardware?
[12:38] <raj> ogra_, I was seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je7G5OJ0Y0E
[12:39] <raj> haven't installed it as yet
[12:46] <raj> or it seems I'm mistaken, it doesn't use Debian
[12:47] <k1l_> raj: that is a year old video
[12:48] <raj> This is true.
[12:49] <k1l_> and that is not a samsung s3. that is a nexus4 in that video
[12:49] <raj> Ya, the video was clickbait
[12:49] <raj> I mean, the title
[12:54] <raj> Anyway, I really like the idea of actual open source on phone and wanted to support Ubuntu by adding an app or two to its "appstore" or whatever.
[12:55] <raj> I have an old mobile phone but after seeing the video, I don't know that it can handle ubuntu without driving me insane with lag
[12:56] <raj> (the phone is older than the one in the video)
[12:58] <k1l_> what is it?
[13:00] <raj> Also, I know a guy that knows a guy that has a Galaxy S3, but if it's still laggy then I'd rather not ask the favor, and instead wait till I replace my S6 so I can use it for this endeavor
[13:00] <raj> k1l_, Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G
[13:00] <ogra_> well, you would need to port to these devices first
[13:01] <ogra_> there are only very few functioning ports beyond the four fully supported phones yet
[13:01]  * ogra_ points at ubports.com
[13:02] <raj> I've never done something so low level
[13:03] <raj> How difficult is this?
[13:03] <raj> this = porting
[13:05] <ogra_> raj, we use the android drivers and some daemons/services that are needed to make them work (a few MB of android running in an lxc container after ubuntu booted) ... to get that to work you need to understand both system rather well (while you thorw away 95% of the android tree you need to know which 5% to keep for example)
[13:31] <raj> ok, so assuredly beyond my pay grade
[13:32] <raj> though, I would think that the same daemons would be needed for most phones
[13:33] <ogra_> well, due to the nature of android they all slightly differ per device
[13:34] <ogra_> the most significant one is rild ... which is the thing talking to your modem and allows you to make calls ... while there is a standard, most manufacturers ignore that and cook their own soup ....
[13:35] <raj> oh, interesting
[13:35] <raj> so rild would still be used, but options would be different?
[13:35] <ogra_> options, API ... functions
[13:35] <raj> ohh
[13:35] <raj> do manufacturers at least stick to their own internal standard then?
[13:36] <raj> between their own devices
[13:36] <ogra_> they seem to ... but its still fiddly and a lot of work regardless
[13:36] <raj> I can imagine
[13:36] <raj> Well, no, I can't even imagine
[13:36] <raj> no no, right the first time, I can imagine
[13:36] <ogra_> haha
[13:41] <raj> anyway, I'm really a fan of what's being done here, it's pioneering in so many ways. The way it will empower and liberate users from a few big corporations that run the market right now
[13:41] <raj> is a gamechanger
[13:41] <raj> it would force them to innovate even further, as well
[13:42] <ogra_> it already did :)
[13:43] <raj> Really? In what ways?
[13:43] <ogra_> UI concepts showing up in android and IOS ...
[13:44] <ogra_> microsoft doing continuum ...
[13:45] <raj> cool
[13:46] <raj> the way linux packages can be run on any distro, is that how ubuntu touch packages are?
[13:47] <ogra_> not in ubuntu touch (or ubuntu snappy which will take over the phone base system eventually)
[13:47] <ogra_> i.e. we use deb packages to assemble the system, but apps are delivered in click packages
[13:48] <ogra_> for convergence there is a way that you can wrap stuff from the archive that exists as deb packages into a click package though
[14:00] <oSoMoN> Mirv, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1551145/comments/6 , I have a feeling that a full rebuild of qtbase-opensource-src might make the issue go away, doing one right now on my laptop, will let you know the results
[14:00] <jgdx> pete-woods, those bindings in the Advanced page of the PPTP editor, why do they exist?
[14:01] <jgdx> pete-woods, reason I'm asking is I'm unable to change the mppeStateful prop, but there's no clear reason as to why
[14:02] <pete-woods> jgdx: you have to use a Binding object to stop QML from breaking the connection from API -> widget
[14:02] <pete-woods> although admittedly that's only an issue if another editor changes the values while you already have the VPN editor open
[14:02] <pete-woods> I discovered this when operating both NM applet and VPN editor at the same time
[14:03] <pete-woods> jgdx: the MPPE stateful setting is dependent on the encryption type
[14:03] <pete-woods> jgdx: IIRC in the editor I have bound the enabled state of the various encryption type checkboxes to reflect this
[14:03] <jgdx> pete-woods, not for mppeStateful afaics
[14:04] <jgdx> pete-woods, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15243665/
[14:05] <jgdx> what's the nature of the dep? What encryption type does it depend on? requireMppe?
[14:05] <jgdx> i guess
[14:05] <pete-woods> jgdx: it needs one of the MS encryption types
[14:05] <jgdx> okay, great, thanks
[14:06] <jgdx> pete-woods, you got a typo in i18n.tr("All Availale (Default)"), :)
[14:06] <pete-woods> whoopsie!
[14:07] <jgdx> avail thyself!
[14:08] <pete-woods> jgdx: FYI, I have done that binding thing with every boolean property in the VPN editor now
[14:09] <pete-woods> jgdx: and in-case you want a link to the latest build (http://people.canonical.com/~pete/vpn-editor/com.ubuntu.developer.pete-woods.vpn-editor_0.3.0_all.click)
[14:09] <jgdx> thx
[14:09] <pete-woods> which has all the PPTP stuff in
[14:10] <pete-woods> (I also cleaned up the file dialogue stuff into its own dir, instead of being splatted around)
[14:13] <jgdx> pete-woods, built off of  i-n trunk though, right?
[14:13] <pete-woods> yep
[14:13] <pete-woods> jgdx: ^
[14:21] <fofo314> So flashing ubuntu touch flo onto deb worked. Current Problems: no sound, of course no LTE
[14:23] <Mirv> oSoMoN: well there's another rebuidl just finished at silo 051 ( 5.5.1+dfsg-14ubuntu3~xenial1~test1 ). you could try that in case you think it's something that would be fixed by (yet another) rebuild.
[14:23] <oSoMoN> Mirv, great, I’ll try that
[14:29] <oSoMoN> Mirv, nope, the packages in silo 51 don’t solve the issue
[15:08] <jgdx> pmcgowan, hey, even with -pd on mako I'm getting ~40 sec reboot after a language change. So normal
[15:08] <ogra_> shutdown really sucks
[15:08] <ogra_> takes way longer than it should
[15:09] <pmcgowan> jgdx, before there is ay feedback to the UI?
[15:09] <pmcgowan> any
[15:09] <jgdx> takes 30 sec to see the google logo
[15:09] <pmcgowan> I dont recall it being like that
[15:09] <pmcgowan> but the UI stays up the entire time?
[15:09] <ogra_> it takesd more than 30sec to shut down
[15:10] <ogra_> and you see a black screen
[15:10] <pmcgowan> yeah but unity should go away immediately
[15:10] <jgdx> no, pressing “restart” makes the screen go black immediatel
[15:10] <pmcgowan> I see the UI stay there for a min
[15:10] <ogra_> (depending on the device it flashes the backlight too)
[15:10] <pmcgowan> thats what happened on the show floor, it took forver with no feedback
[15:10] <ogra_> pmcgowan, that sounds broken ... on all my devices it goes immediatle black here
[15:10] <pmcgowan> I will try to repro here
[15:10] <jgdx> pmcgowan, hey, I think we make a simple dbus call, maybe you can execute that and see if you get the lag still.
[15:10] <pmcgowan> right
[15:10] <pmcgowan> this was on the tablet with the full app set
[15:10] <ogra_> the 30-60 sec you sit in front of a black screen are broken though
[15:11] <pmcgowan> agreed
[15:11] <ogra_> it should show a splash and also not take longer than 10sec
[15:14] <jgdx> pmcgowan, $ sudo gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.Reboot false
[15:16] <pmcgowan> jgdx, did you get an m10 yet?
[15:17] <popey> is pmcgowan doing an Oprah Winfrey and giving away tablets? :)
[15:17]  * ogra_ would love to be asked the same :P
[15:17] <jgdx> pmcgowan, nah, the customs guy called me and said he had started a search for it. I think they dropped the ball
[15:17] <jgdx> he's gonna call me back
[15:17] <pmcgowan> bah
[15:18] <pmcgowan> popey, yeah you need one :)
[15:18] <popey> I do!
[15:50] <pmcgowan> jgdx, I can't reproduce it
[15:51] <jgdx> pmcgowan, but you can from the ui?
[15:51] <pmcgowan> jgdx, no
[15:51] <pmcgowan> jgdx, so not sure what state that tablet got into
[15:57] <dobey> mariogrip: hey; for hammerhead, can you copy v2 image to v4 perhaps?
[16:06] <jgdx> pmcgowan, could be dbus was being hammered by something.. or uss could have frozen
[16:06] <pmcgowan> jgdx, the UI was responsive at the time, but could be dbus
[17:04]  * ogra_ sees Mir 0.20.1 land in the archive and hugs kdub
[17:05] <ogra_> looking forward to less transparent indicators and splash screens :)
[17:06] <ogra_> (though a bit of transparnecy might actually not be bad ... just not to a point making everything unreadable)
[17:09] <kdub> ogra_, yeah, was kinda a weird driver bug... some extensions broke z depth testing
[17:09]  * kdub is glad its in archive too now
[17:21] <pixel__> ping ogra_
[17:24] <pixel__> i need some help, when i install https://uappexplorer.com/app/balls.briketa it doesn't  create ~/.local/share/balls.briketa/
[17:25] <pixel__> that should be XDG_DATA_HOME / applicationName
[17:25] <pixel__> i need that dir to save a file in it
[17:26] <ogra_> pixel__, iirc only the first run creates that
[17:26] <ogra_> (though i'm not 100% sure ... its been i while i touched click stuff last)
[17:27] <pixel__> ogra_, i get a lot of messages in reviews that the game can't save (and of course the don't have the XDG_DATA_HOME / applicationName dir
[17:27] <slvn_> hello pixel__
[17:27] <pixel__> hello slvn_  and ogra
[17:27] <slvn_> you sent me a message a few days ago about that but I was away
[17:27] <pixel__> and so i've rm -r the dir and removed/reinstalled the game (it did not create the dir)
[17:27] <ogra_> did you run it once ?
[17:27] <pixel__> slvn_, ah it was about this :D
[17:28] <pixel__> ogra_, yep
[17:28] <ogra_> hmm
[17:28] <ogra_> tedg, ^^^ any hint from the XDG master ?
[17:28] <slvn_> pixel__, you wanted a directory to save you file, as a SDL2 app I guess
[17:28] <dobey> pixel__: it's not created automatically; you need to create the directory you're saving into
[17:28] <pixel__> slvn_, you have some SDL games that saves the settings, right?
[17:29] <tedg> Yeah, I think the app needs to create that directory.
[17:29] <ogra_> ah
[17:29] <pixel__> oh...
[17:29] <ogra_> i thought the launcher does that
[17:29] <tedg> We had discussed making it by default, but no action has been taken.
[17:29] <dobey> no, the launcher doesn't do that
[17:29]  * ogra_ remembers that discussion :)
[17:29] <tedg> There was worry about making unneeded directories.
[17:29] <pixel__> the sdk does that
[17:29] <dobey> yeah, there's no reason to make it if the app isn't going to use it
[17:29] <dobey> then i guess the sdk has a bug :)
[17:29] <pixel__> when i launch the game from qt on the phone it does make the dir
[17:29] <ogra_> pfft ... inodes are cheap
[17:30] <tedg> Yeah, the problem is that developers forget and get bugs.
[17:30] <pixel__> so this is why i was so confused
[17:30] <tedg> It would be nice if we could remove bugs from the system :-)
[17:30] <slvn_> pixel__,  you need (in c) :        getenv("XDG_CONFIG_HOME")  and getenv("APP_ID");
[17:30] <dobey> ogra_: i think we should avoid unnecessary disk writes though
[17:30] <pixel__> but anyway, please make the os make that dir on first launch
[17:30] <pixel__> i don't want to make it myself
[17:30] <ogra_> dobey, did pmcgowan bribe you ?
[17:30] <ogra_> :P
[17:30] <mcphail> tedg: can you update the Runtime Environment section of https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/ to say we have to make those directories ourselves? The implication is they exist already
[17:30] <dobey> ogra_: no; i know how flash works :)
[17:31] <ogra_> dobey, (indeed i agree though) :)
[17:31] <dobey> pixel__: no, fix your app to create the directory it is saving into
[17:31] <dobey> pixel__: if your app doesn't check a directory exists, and create it, before writing into it, then your app is broken.
[17:31] <tedg> mcphail: I don't have access to that, but I think that mhall119 probably can
[17:31] <pixel__> dobey, no, i will open a bug report
[17:32] <mcphail> tedg: thanks. mhall119 - can you help with the documentation in my link above ^^^?
[17:32] <pixel__> dobey, the sdk does make the dir
[17:32] <dobey> pixel__: if the system does it, it creates directories for every app, even if they aren't needed, and it wastes disk writes, which reduces the life of the flash storage
[17:32] <dobey> pixel__: the sdk is broken
[17:32] <dobey> the sdk should not create the directory
[17:33] <pixel__> slvn_, thanks :D that's how i do it but the problem is that there is no appname dir
[17:33] <ogra_> pixel__, dobey is right ... if every app would create that dir on launch you would drown in useless dirs under ~/.local/share/
[17:33] <pixel__> slvn_, you have to create that dir yourself, right?
[17:33] <slvn_> pixel__,   mkdir(buffer, 0755);
[17:33] <slvn_> yes
[17:34] <slvn_> also strip the "_" and whatever is after  from the directory name
[17:34] <pixel__> slvn_, right :d got it! 10x much :D you're the man
[17:34] <ogra_> i guess 90% of apps in the store dont need it at all
[17:34] <slvn_> :) ... I think I got the same directory issue  ..
[17:35]  * mcphail pokes slvn_ to fix the saving on his solitaire app ;)
[17:35] <pixel__> slvn_, it's not the sanest OS :>>
[17:35] <pixel__> but yeah.. it sort of works
[17:36] <ogra_> pixel__, !
[17:36] <dobey> eh? you have to create directories on any OS, before you write into them
[17:36] <slvn_> mcphail,  this is a bug ? the saving should be fine !!
[17:36] <mcphail> slvn_: yes - settings don't get saved beyond reboots. Think you might still be saving them to /tmp
[17:37] <slvn_> this should have been fixed for 1 month ! I used to save in RUNTIME_DIR, now I save in XDG_CONFIG_HOME
[17:38] <pixel__> ogra_, ls  ~/.local/share/
[17:38] <mcphail> slvn_: don't think I got an update for the solitaire app. I know some of your other apps were updated
[17:38] <pixel__> ogra_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15245329/
[17:39] <slvn_> mcphail, did you update the app ? it should be version 1.01
[17:39] <dobey> …
[17:39] <mcphail> slvn_: yep - this is version 1.01
[17:40] <pixel__> ogra_, looks like every installed app has the dir
[17:40] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls .local/share/ |wc -l
[17:40] <ogra_> 166
[17:40] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list |wc -l
[17:40] <ogra_> 141
[17:40] <ogra_> some dont here ...
[17:41] <pixel__> some but most do :D
[17:41] <pixel__> anyway
[17:41] <slvn_> yep solitaire is updated ! so it should be fixed... When I fixed it, I remember I even asked someone to double check :/
[17:41] <pixel__> please make a dir it will make my life easier :))
[17:41] <ogra_> pixel__, might be that some QML component actually creates it
[17:41] <popey> pretty sure thats the case
[17:41] <ogra_> but we should really fidx that
[17:41] <popey> we had this discussion recently
[17:41] <pixel__> ogra_, most probably
[17:42] <popey> someone elese had an app which wasn't qml and didnt have the dir
[17:42] <ogra_> apps not needing that dir should definitely not create it
[17:42] <popey> an sdl app
[17:42] <popey> "app"
[17:42] <pixel__> me?
[17:42] <pixel__> ))
[17:42] <ogra_> it should be an easy flag you can set or some such
[17:42] <mcphail> slvn_: I'll reboot and test again
[17:42] <ogra_> which is off by default
[17:42] <slvn_> pixel__, better, you should complain in #SDL channel to implement SDL_GetPrefPath ! (and to do the mkdir inside !)
[17:43] <ogra_> and if you need storage for your app you can simply flick that switch
[17:43] <ogra_> i assume these dirs get not deleted if you remove the package
[17:43] <ogra_> which is pretty bad
[17:44] <mcphail> slvn_: yep - not saving...
[17:44] <pixel__> ogra_, yep the dir remains
[17:44] <dobey> ogra_: no, not deleting data is correct
[17:44] <popey> ogra_: long standing bug
[17:44] <ogra_> dobey, not sure
[17:45] <dobey> data should be retained. not deleting also avoids disk excessive writes
[17:45] <pixel__> slvn_, right :> :D i did try SDL_GetPrefPath and it didn't worked
[17:45] <ogra_> dobey, on space contraiend devices it also just wastes spacee
[17:46] <dobey> though app dirs in ~/.cache/ should probably get deleted
[17:46] <ogra_> *constrained
[17:46] <mcphail> ogra_: not deleting data under ~/.local is the Debian way
[17:46] <dobey> ogra_: it needs to be up to the user to decide when to delete actual data though
[17:46] <ogra_> dobey, lol
[17:46] <slvn_> pixel__, yes SDL_GetPrefPath *should* be implement for ubuntu (touch)
[17:46] <pixel__> slvn_, maybe in a couple of years ...
[17:46] <ogra_> dobey, because we indeed give the user a proper interface to do that :P
[17:46] <pixel__> :(
[17:46] <dobey> ogra_: if i delete instagram, it shouldn't delete all the photos i took with it
[17:46] <popey> we do
[17:46] <popey> there is an app which can manage user data
[17:47] <slvn_> mcphail, ... strange :/ are you sure it saved first ?  can you make sure the apps was exited ?
[17:47] <popey> it's just a) not in the default image, b) not in the store
[17:47] <ogra_> popey, usable enough for my mom without knowing file structure etc ?
[17:47] <mhall119> mcphail: which directories do you have to create?
[17:47] <popey> yes
[17:47] <dobey> popey: the system-settings UI should have it; but it's a bit buggy at the moment
[17:47] <popey> yeah, i agree
[17:47] <ogra_> s/file/filesystem/
[17:47] <popey> ogra_: it's very simple
[17:47] <mcphail> slvn_: yep - saved and exited by the exit option in menu, rather than swiping away. Settings for auto-collecting cards etc don't persist over reboots
[17:47] <ogra_> not the filemanager then ?
[17:47] <popey> no
[17:48] <ogra_> ah, k ... i thought that was what you were getting to
[17:48] <popey> and there's a thousand other things your mum would have trouble with
[17:48] <popey> so this is just one
[17:48] <ogra_> yeah
[17:48] <mcphail> mhall119: certainly XDG_DATA_HOME/<APP_PKGNAME> seems to need to be created manually
[17:48] <ogra_> that is why she still doesnt have an ubuntu phone
[17:48] <dobey> mcphail: yes of course it does
[17:48] <popey> yes
[17:48] <mhall119> mcphail: and which part of that page needs to be updated?
[17:48] <popey> people have been assuming it's created
[17:49] <mariogrip> dobey: Yeah, I could. maybe revert back to r2 and stop updating until the issue is fixed
[17:49] <dobey> popey: becqause the SDK creates it during deployment
[17:49] <dobey> which is evil
[17:49] <pixel__> dobey, yep
[17:49] <mcphail> mhall119: the Runtime Environment part would be better if it mentioned that directory needs to be created. Just now, it says that you can write _in_ the directory, but doesn't say you must create it first.
[17:49] <pixel__> very!
[17:50] <mhall119> mcphail: ok, I'll put it on my list of things to do today
[17:50] <mhall119> thanks for pointing it out
[17:50] <mcphail> mhall119: ta!
[17:50] <mariogrip> dobey: I ment "on server side" not that you should stop updating and rever
[17:50] <mariogrip> revert*
[17:50] <pixel__> or at least please modify the doc  https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/
[17:51] <mariogrip> dobey: Could you grab some logs next time? syslogs is ok
[17:52] <ogra_> pixel__, that doesnt talk about creation of the dir
[17:52] <ogra_> just tells you that you are not denied access to that location
[17:53] <dobey> mariogrip: sure
[17:53] <ogra_> unless i'm missing it
[17:54] <slvn_> mcphail,  could you copy paste the log (I think it's in .cache/upstart/ application-click-com.ubuntu.developer.1bsyl.solitaire_  ) ?
[17:54] <dobey> no, why would the confinement guide describe what directories your app needs to create
[17:55] <popey> Non touch apps have to create their own directories.
[17:55] <popey> (I mean, standard desktop X apps)
[17:55] <popey> or indeed command line tools. This is not new.
[17:55] <dobey> all apps have to
[17:55] <mcphail> ogra_: it doesn't specify you _can_ write to XDG_DATA_HOME to create the directory in the first place. The implication is that XDG_DATA_HOME/<APP_PKGNAME> is created by default
[17:55] <dobey> since forever :)
[17:55] <dobey> mcphail: i don't think that's implied
[17:55] <dobey> mcphail: i think some might be inferring that though perhaps
[17:56] <ogra_> mcphail, yeah, thats not how i read that page
[17:56] <mcphail> slvn_: will do. I'll be home in about an hour and can do it then
[17:56] <dobey> likewise, google maps doesn't tell me that i need a visa and 5000 different innoculations to visit india
[17:56] <mcphail> dobey: It says you can only write to certain directories, and does _not_ include the directory you have to write to to create that dir
[17:56] <dobey> it just shows me where india is
[17:57] <mcphail> dobey: the whole point of the page is to explain where you can and cannot write
[17:57] <dobey> mcphail: and it does that
[17:57] <mcphail> dobey: no, it doesn't. It doesn't tell you you can mkdir in XDG_DATA_HOME
[17:58] <dobey> mcphail: you can't
[17:58] <mcphail> dobey: then you can't create XDG_DATA_HOME/<APP_PKGNAME> ...
[17:58] <dobey> yes you can
[17:58] <dobey> mcphail: it's not a document detailing unix permissions
[17:58] <dobey> it's about apparmor restrictions
[17:59] <dobey> you can create any directory in $XDG_DATA_HOME as long as the directory name is the same as your package name
[17:59] <mcphail> I'm not disputing that. But it is supposed to be a clear guide to what you can and can't do. To an outsider, that is not clear, hence all the confusion above
[18:00] <mcphail> and I still don't know if the cache and config dirs need to be created manually
[18:00] <dobey> yes they do
[18:01] <dobey> well, it depends on what APIs you use
[18:01] <mcphail> So an extra sentenc in the Runtime Environment section would clarify that for everyone
[18:01] <dobey> if you are embedding the Ubuntu.Web component, it will create some directories, for cache/localstorage/etc
[18:03] <mcphail> I've routinely "mkdir -p"'d those directories in my apps, but only because old habits die hard ;) But there have been several queries on here about this over the past few months
[18:03] <dobey> this is the first one i've seen
[18:03] <dobey> but maybe all the others were in oz time or something :)
[18:04] <mcphail> :)
[18:05] <mcphail> If the SDk is creating those directories, it would certainly explain how hard we've found it to track down why some phones were "creating" them during development but others weren't on deployment
[18:05] <dobey> anyway, i was simply making the point that being allowed to write somewhere does not mitigate extra requirements for somewhere to exist first
[18:09] <pixel__> bug reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1551365
[18:09]  * pixel__ aw for milk, mm
[18:29] <mcphail> slvn_: there isn't anything exiting in the logs. But is see XDG_CONFIG_HOME/<APP_PKGNAME> doesn't exist on my device, so I suspect this is the same problem as above. You'll need to create that dir manually before config can be saved
[18:34] <dobey> sigh
[18:46] <pix_aw> phew... phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.local/share$ ls | grep balls.briketa
[18:46] <pix_aw> balls.briketa
[18:47] <pixel___> should work now, if you want to try/play the game https://uappexplorer.com/app/balls.briketa
[18:47] <pixel___> have fun
[18:47] <popey> \o/
[18:47] <popey> pixel___: BALLS!
[18:48] <pixel___> yay :D
[18:48] <slvn_> mcphail, I do create the dir with "mkdir(buffer, 0755);" ...   There should be the usual logs of the app ~/.cache/upstart/app-name.log :/
[18:49] <slvn_> I am not sure again where logs are ...
[18:49] <slvn_> pixel___,  can you check that your config files are persistent upon reboot
[18:49] <pixel___> slvn_, sure :D rebooting now
[18:52] <pixel___> slvn_, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.local/share/balls.briketa$ ls
[18:52] <pixel___> lvl.ini
[18:52] <pixel___> yep still there
[18:54] <slvn_> pixel___,  and  you build the dir with  $env(XDG_CONFIG_HOME) /  $env(APP_ID)    (without whatever come after "_" ) ?  and mkdir(buffer, 0755); ?
[18:55] <pixel___> slv i just hardcoded the path  mkdir("/home/phablet/.local/share/balls.briketa", 0755);
[18:55] <pixel___> slvn_, ^^
[18:56] <slvn_> mcphail,  there is a possibility : I remember I (stupidly) screwed up the mode (O755 vs 0755) when I tried that first ... And you probably were helping me, I might have left a wrong directory created on your device ... could you check the perms of this dir ?
[18:58] <slvn_> pixel___,   ok thanks ! if you want the version with "env" var : http://paste.ubuntu.com/15245990/
[18:58] <mcphail> slvn_: which dir?
[18:59] <slvn_> mcphail,  in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME, the one like "...solitaire..."
[19:00] <mcphail> slvn_: I don't have anything under .config related to your app, unfortunately
[19:00] <pixel___> slvn_, thanks :D
[19:00] <mcphail> slvn_: my log, if you want it, is at http://termbin.com/l747
[19:02] <mcphail> slvn_: contents of my config dir at http://termbin.com/lxlg
[19:03] <slvn_> ... strange :/
[19:03] <slvn_> so I will go for diner :)
[19:04] <mcphail> slvn_: bon appetit :)
[19:04] <slvn_> merci )
[19:04] <slvn_> :)
[19:04] <slvn_> I will look at the issue afterward. ... I will try again some test on marvin bot
[19:05] <slvn_> I swear I tested this correction, so I am very disappointed
[19:05] <mcphail> slvn_: I'll unistall and reinstall, just in case I have a development version instead of the real thing
[19:06] <slvn_> ok thanks !
[19:10] <mcphail> slvn_: success! I must have had an old version you gave me to test
[19:49] <slvn_> mcphail, ok great ! so I'm not crazy :)
[19:57] <mcphail> slvn_: je suis désolé ;)
[20:06] <mimecar> labsin, do you need i Test the scope?
[20:06] <mimecar> I've found an update
[20:14] <labsin> mimecar: If you have an account, yes. Otherwise it should already be fine. Thanks.
[20:15] <mimecar> no, I have not an account on Deeze
[20:15] <mimecar> scope info works ok now
[20:20] <mhall119> mariogrip: it looks like Google didn't choose us for Summer of Code, but hopefully we can find some porters to help you anyway
[20:21] <mariogrip> mhall119: awww :( Yeah, I think if we make it easier it will bring more porters
[20:24] <mhall119> mariogrip: I still have to mount /cache and /data in adb before I run ubuntu-device-flash, is that something that can be fixed in the recovery image?
[20:24] <mariogrip> mhall119: but, was there a reason why?
[20:24] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah
[20:25] <mariogrip> mhall119: I have that on my todo list
[20:30] <mhall119> mariogrip: no reason given yet, we're going to try and get some feedback from them we can use to make our application better next time
[20:33] <labsin> mimecar: thanks


[01:46] <jab416171|Cloud> :O
[07:48] <LinuxID10T> Has anyone else realized that the Nexus 7 names on ubuntu are explicits?
[18:48] <Lavvy> Hello can openstack be installed on an armv7 single core processor
[19:28] <nikis> Anyone happen to know if it's possible to dual-boot between Android and Ubuntu on the Nexus 7 port?
[19:28] <nikis> (probably not, but I thought I might ask ;))
[19:31] <rayfin> that would be nice
[19:31] <rayfin> as right now its slow and not a daily driver, in my opinion. even though it is really bad as and im loving it :P
[19:32] <nikis> Yeah, it's quite a nice port.
[19:32] <nikis> The sticky mouse issue just ruins it though.
[19:33] <nikis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068994
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068994 in ubuntu-nexus7 "button1 gets stuck after a while" [Critical,Confirmed]
[19:33] <rayfin> i need a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, then i'd fully appreciate it
[19:36] <nikis> Video seems to run really badly on it by the way. :\
[19:36] <nikis> Tried playing the pre-shipped video file ("How fast.ogg" I recall?) and it basically wouldn't play at all.
[19:36] <nikis> But yeah, can't expect much yet as it's in preview stage ;)
[19:52] <rayfin> will be fun to watch and see where it goes, exciting stuff.
[19:52] <rayfin> flashin back to 4.1.2 now :P
[19:53] <nikis> Heh.
[19:53] <nikis> Yeah, I'm back to Android also for now.
[19:54] <nikis> Might flash back to it tomorrow evening or monday morning again to play around with it some more, but yeah, mostly use the Nexus 7 as an eBook reader and can't really properly do that on the port yet ;)
[22:14] <Hexxeh> hey
[22:14] <Hexxeh> nice job with ubuntu on nexus 7 :)
[22:16] <Hexxeh> how does the boot process work? i noticed in your rootfs.img there's a "disk-recipe" that seems to define multiple partitions, but you've not actually changed the flash layout?
[22:16] <Hexxeh> is it just doing "partitions" within the userdata partition?
[22:18] <rayfin> Hexxeh as in chromeos Hexxeh?
[22:18] <Hexxeh> that's me
[22:19] <rayfin> nice. you do good work :)
[22:19] <Hexxeh> thanks
[22:19] <Hexxeh> i'd love to bring it to a nexus 7, and piggybacking onto this ubuntu stuff seems like the easiest way
[22:19] <rayfin> oh dear lord the awesome that would be.
[22:20] <rayfin> let me know when you want alpha testers :P
[22:20] <Hexxeh> well, i need to figure out what's going on with this ubuntu image first
[22:20] <Hexxeh> i don't have any of the usual stuff which makes this easier (serial connection, or even a usb otg connector to plug in a keyboard)
[22:21] <rayfin> ah
[22:36] <Hexxeh> gee, this install process seems pretty funky
[22:36] <Hexxeh> i'd have thought they'd just distribute an installed rootfs image with some kind of first-boot customisation
[22:36] <Hexxeh> but no, it's more of an installer type deal?


[05:23] <smehmood> hey, is any one around?
[09:52] <madneon> hello
[09:53] <madneon> anyone here? I got question about wiki/LaptopTestingTeam


[00:11] <user1397> is there talk of adding a minimal option during installation time for 19.10? (like the way Ubuntu and Kubuntu have in their Ubiquity installers)
[02:23] <Esbeeb> Xubuntu 18.04.3, freshly installed, does indeed come with a Linux 5.0 kernel.
[02:26] <Bashing-om> !hwe
[04:00] <appa> is there a way to install xubuntu to a drive without booting the iso?  I want to transplant the hardrive to a laptop but can't boot a usb on the laptop
[04:03] <Andrio> Does the laptop have a CD drive?
[04:05] <Andrio> Or a floppy drive?
[04:11] <Andrio> I wonder whether it'll work if you just put a boot loader on the hard drive and stick it in
[05:16] <appa> I think that would too, I went with build a VM and copying it to an image
[05:16] <appa> But no,. No real media drive, best would be to have a netbook install but I always forget how to do that
[05:19] <appa> I've got a weird fixation with keeping ancient hardware running...  this is a laptop I've had in storage for at least 10 years...
[17:45] <alexitob2307> good afternoon, I am new to xubuntu I have a problem with the internet connection although it gives me a dynamic ip
[17:47] <alexitob2307> somebody could help me
[17:48] <diogenes_> !ask | alexitob2307
[17:52] <alexitob2307> (y)


[11:17] <davidoae> Good day. I inherited a ppa on launchpad, which we use to provide custom ubuntu precise meta-packages for our Libre Software project. I wish to add packages for Ubuntu xenial however I'm having problems finding suitable documentation explaining how. Could someone point me the right way please?
[11:19] <tsimonq2> here you are davidoae :) https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[11:20] <davidoae> thanks tsimonq2
[11:20] <geser> davidoae: basicly you take your precise source package and upload it for xenial (and updating dependecies as needed)
[16:50] <xnox> Is it possible to limit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/s390x?text= search to things in main only?
[16:56] <nacc> xnox: hrm, doesn't seem like it (that i can see), but there is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=foo&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=main&arch=s390x ?
[17:00] <xnox> nacc, yeah, needs a keyword though - doesn't list "everything" with empty keyword =(
[17:00]  * xnox ponders if i can fix that.
[17:01] <nacc> xnox: oh i see
[17:04] <dobey> keyword=%00? :)
[17:37] <cjwatson> For that sort of fine-grained search you're probably better off just grabbing the Packages file and using grep-dctrl.


[00:12] <syii> Hi all
[00:12] <kernal> hey
[00:13] <syii> Im new to Linux
[00:13] <kernal> nice
[00:13] <syii> Im looking for a new OS for my family
[00:13] <kernal> me too kind of
[00:14] <syii> we have 5 PCs currently and we need 1 or 2 more
[00:15] <syii> So windows is just too much for everyone
[00:15] <kernal> wow
[00:15] <kernal> that's a lot of devices
[00:15] <syii> well we have 5 kids
[00:16] <syii> I testing out Ubuntu Mate and I'm really liking it so far
[00:17] <kernal> cool
[00:17] <kernal> have you tried elementary OS?
[00:20] <syii> no I went with Ubuntu because it looks to have a lot of software supported for it, Mate has a nice easy to use software boutique
[00:21] <syii> I thought that it would be good for a new Linux user
[04:39] <mido> hi
[08:12] <usuario> kfkf
[08:12] <usuario> hola
[08:13] <usuario> hola
[08:13] <usuario> hola
[08:13] <usuario> hola
[08:13] <usuario> hola
[12:33] <kendell> has anyone had issues with mate setting media players like audacious and conversion applications like soundconverter as their default file manager, causing mounted drives to open in them instead of caja? You can of course override this in preferred apps, but those applications aren't file managers, and how can mate think they are? Something in the .desktop files maybe?
[15:05] <kendell> looks like ubuntu mate switched greeters, display managers. But they switched to one that is accessible out of the box, and looks really nice too.
[15:24] <soundmaster80> I am curious and I am not familiar with CSD. Will this possibly help with using dark themes on firefox in regards to Textareas, etc?
[19:32] <SeanHub|1509> Hi gusy
[19:32] <SeanHub|1509> guys*
[19:32] <diogenes_> hi
[19:32] <SeanHub|1509> Im just wondering, how do i merge the bottom panel with the top?
[19:32] <SeanHub|1509> I want no panel at the bottom
[19:37] <SeanHub|1509> Is cool, done it


[21:08] <RottNKorpse> does anyone know how to take ownership of an app already in the software center...I found how to add a new app but can't find anything to take over and update an existing app
[21:47] <RottNKorpse> does anyone know how to take ownership of an app already in the software center...I found how to add a new app but can't find anything to take over and update an existing app


[06:54] <kane_> but Fluendo may solve some of the codec legal issues.
[06:54] <The_Machine> how do i set up java for firefox plugin without Automatix?  (i removed it and removed Automatix)
[06:54] <K-Ryan> !java
[06:54] <ubotwo> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:54] <The_Machine> just download it?
[06:54] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, doesn't say anything about the firefox plugin
[06:54] <K-Ryan> Can start there though
[06:54] <The_Machine> java is already installed
[06:54] <K-Ryan> dec_: I'm not sure, that's a strange problem
[06:54] <K-Ryan> Just not in Firefox eh?
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Odd
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Okay sorry to leave you guys but it's too nice out for me to be inside on my computer/.
[06:55] <dec_> yes it will unload and go to the kubuntu screen the progress meter will move down and then it will just sit there
[06:55] <Yorokobi> The_Machine, sun-java5-plugin
[06:55] <The_Machine> Thanks :)
[06:55] <terrestre> bye K-Ryan
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Good luck with your problems everyone, see ya'
[06:55] <terrestre> whats mean the K anyway
[06:55] <kane_> poor automatix the buntu punching bag.
[06:55] <terrestre> jajaj
[06:56] <dr_willis> automatix is becomming more and more useless with each ubuntu release
[06:57] <dr_willis> which is a good thing. :)
[06:57] <dec_> loaded feisty fawn and now when I go to shut down it will not shut down all the way any ideas
[06:57] <The_Machine> Yorokobi, do you not use java 6?
[06:57] <dr_willis> dec_,  this a laptop?
[06:57] <dec_> yes
[06:57] <Yorokobi> The_Machine, nope. I use some apps that are not v6 compatible
[06:58] <dr_willis> sounds like some  apci issue. did it just say 'shuttung down..' then never powered off?
[06:58] <dec_> a laptop
[06:58] <dec_> yes never powered off
[06:58] <n0n4m3-> guys
[06:58] <n0n4m3-> another problem
[06:58] <The_Machine> k :)
[06:59] <dec_> how do i check the acpi if that is the problem
[06:59] <dr_willis> dec_,  so it shuts down but dosent power off. Hmm.. Id say check the ubuntu laptop forums and google for that specific make/model laptop
[06:59] <dr_willis> hold down the power key for a few secs should force it to power off.
[07:00] <dec_> will that screw anything up holding down the power key
[07:00] <dr_willis> not if the system is allready 'shut down'
[07:01] <dr_willis> not somthing ya really want to do in the middle of editing a termpaper. :)
[07:01] <dec_> what forum could i go to for answers about compiz
[07:01] <dr_willis> actually on my laptop if i hit the power button - it goes into shutdown mode.
[07:01] <n0n4m3-> listen i really like Ktorrent but when i load it i get this message http://shrani.si/files/posnetek231152h.png 3 times... and when i load an torrent file which is NOT corrupt  i get the same msg  http://shrani.si/files/posnetek241152g.png
[07:02] <olivier_> I am stuck with windows in full screen mode on some of my desktops! How do you exit the full screen mode? Any key combination???
[07:02] <dr_willis> right click on the task-panel button on the taskbar should bring up a menu
[07:02] <dec_> what forum could i go to for answers about compiz
[07:02] <atidem> ciao
[07:02] <dany_21> olivier_: try alt+F3
[07:03] <dr_willis> proberly other ways also.
[07:03] <n0n4m3-> if anyone know's how to solve this problem please
[07:03] <n0n4m3-> tell me:)
[07:03] <Yorokobi> dec_, forum or IRC channel?
[07:03] <dec_> irc channel
[07:03] <Yorokobi> dec_, #ubuntu-effects is a place to start. There may even be a #compiz channel on freenode
[07:04] <dr_willis> n0n4m3-,  how are you sure the torrent is not currupted?
[07:04] <olivier_> Dany: thanx! There is no way to exit it faster?
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> i try to load it in
[07:04] <dr_willis> n0n4m3-,  try a different torrent client?
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> bittornado
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> worked fine
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> but i hate bittornado
[07:04] <dr_willis> could be a cr/lf issue.. odd..
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> i'm new to kubuntu
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> so
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> help me please.D
[07:04] <n0n4m3-> :D
[07:04] <dr_willis> i cant say that ive eer had that issue with ktorrent
[07:05] <dr_willis> check out the ktorrent forums perhaps. or if they got a channel.
[07:05] <dr_willis> since it 'seems' to be a bug in ktorrent
[07:05] <n0n4m3-> but this problems
[07:05] <n0n4m3-> started so 3 days ago
[07:05] <n0n4m3-> i tryed to remove ktorrent
[07:05] <n0n4m3-> and installed again
[07:05] <n0n4m3-> it's still the same :s
[07:06] <dr_willis> what did you 'remove' ?
[07:06] <n0n4m3-> ktorrent
[07:06] <dr_willis> to prove its a ktorrent setting issue. either move/rename the .kde dir. OR better yet.. try a new user.
[07:06] <dr_willis> removeing ktorrent from the system - will NOT NOT NOT.. remove the users ktorrent saved settings. :)
[07:06] <n0n4m3-> i don't know how to do that :D
[07:06] <dr_willis> make a new user. login as the new user.. try ktorrent
[07:07] <n0n4m3-> ok
[07:07] <dr_willis> do NOT remove your existing user :) in any case.
[07:07] <dr_willis> heh heh
[07:08] <n0n4m3-> dr_willis,
[07:09] <n0n4m3-> i won't:)
[07:15] <yuriy> hi, i'm trying to configure the firewall, and i ran lokkit and added the 3 rules i need, but iptables is not running ??
[07:17] <fdoving> yuriy: iptables only modifies the built in linux kernel firewall. the kernel does the firewalling. the rules are in memory.
[07:17] <Yorokobi> yuriy, does 'sudo iptables -L' return the rules you added?
[07:18] <ahmed>  guys ,, first time to use linux,, in the gnome desktop now i can find my windows ntfs partition , bas i am wondering where is ma linux partition also how will i know how much space i got left and so on ,, plz helpppppppp
[07:19] <yuriy> fdoving: oh, thanks. i was told it would be a running process
[07:19] <terrestre> the partitions are in /media/
[07:19] <jordo23> Minor Kubuntu Update today?
[07:19] <ahmed>  guys ,, first time to use linux,, in the gnome desktop now i can find my windows ntfs partition , bas i am wondering where is ma linux partition also how will i know how much space i got left and so on ,, plz helpppppppp
[07:19] <equipo4> hello
[07:19] <dr_willis> ahmed,  you may want to read a few linux starter guides. and get some fundamentals down.
[07:19] <ahmed> terretre, yea but where is the main linux partition
[07:20] <dr_willis> ahmed,  'df -h' shows drive space ussage.
[07:20] <equipo4> frot  you love  the
[07:20] <equipo4> are many ok tergfre
[07:20] <BudgetDedicated> Hi does anyone know a tool to make a recording of a browser session from firefox? I'd like to make some demo movies of our website to show the management console etc
[07:20] <dr_willis> ahmed,  the 'mount' command shows what filesystems are mounted where. (/media) or media:/)  normally shows them
[07:21] <dr_willis> BudgetDedicated,  check that firefox extension page? i think they may have such a thing
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> yo
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> dr_willis,
[07:21] <dr_willis> BudgetDedicated,  thers some desktop-recorder tools that can make a movie of a session.
[07:21] <dr_willis> n0n4m3-,  Hmm?
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> i am n0n4m3 from the newe user
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> anyway
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> ktorrent works
[07:21] <n0n4m3666> when i run it
[07:22] <n0n4m3666> no error
[07:22] <terrestre> dr_willis: thanks for the command, i didnt know it
[07:22] <dr_willis> !enter
[07:22] <ubotwo> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:22] <dr_willis> :)
[07:22] <n0n4m3666> but when i load the torrent file there comes the error
[07:22] <n0n4m3666> ups sorry
[07:22] <n0n4m3666> i tryed another torrent file it worked well
[07:22] <n0n4m3666> but in the other user why when i load the ktorrent comes so many errors ?
[07:22] <dr_willis> n0n4m3666,  so we are back to 'ktorrent dosent like a specific torrent file, that other torrent clients handle' ? both users have same problem?
[07:23] <n0n4m3666> well
[07:23] <n0n4m3666> yes
[07:23] <n0n4m3666> wait from this user
[07:23] <papero> ciaoo!
[07:23] <n0n4m3666> I'll try with bittornado
[07:23] <n0n4m3666> to load the torrent
[07:24] <dr_willis> ok./ now everyone is confused.
[07:24] <dr_willis> :)
[07:24] <n0n4m3666> look
[07:24] <n0n4m3666> now look
[07:25] <n0n4m3666> in the user "marko" when i run the Ktorrent there comes the error you saw in the screenshot in the user "test" there don't comes this error when i run it...
[07:26] <dr_willis> so ktorrent works correctly with the .torrent file in question under a NEW user?
[07:26] <n0n4m3666> yes
[07:26] <dr_willis> then that shows that its some how a ktorrent setting issue. remove the ktorrent settings from the other users .kde dir. (or if you have no kde setings worth saving move/remove the .kde dir)
[07:27] <n0n4m3666> well
[07:27] <n0n4m3666> i don't know how to do that xD
[07:27] <n0n4m3666> wait I'll change to the other user
[07:27] <dr_willis> time to learn some shell fundamentals :) or some linux basics.
[07:27] <dr_willis> kde apps keep thir settings in .kde  in the users home dir
[07:28] <n0n4m3-> yo back is what i am:D
[07:28] <dr_willis> ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent   is one place. and  .... ~/.kde/share/config/ktorrentrc is another setting file
[07:29] <n0n4m3-> ok
[07:29] <n0n4m3-> and what should i do ?
[07:29] <dr_willis> id say move/rename/delete those files/dirs ktorrent will remake them.
[07:29] <dr_willis> assuming you got nothing going on in ktorrent at the moment.
[07:29] <n0n4m3-> nop
[07:29] <n0n4m3-> ok
[07:29] <n0n4m3-> i should remove all the files in  ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorren and ~/.kde/share/config/ktorrentrc ?
[07:30] <n0n4m3-> brb
[07:30] <dr_willis> ~/.kde/share/config/ktorrentrc is a file
[07:30] <n0n4m3-> yes i see
[07:30] <n0n4m3-> look i must go smoke a cigaret..
[07:30] <n0n4m3-> brb
[07:36] <Rictoo> guys
[07:36] <Rictoo> a long time ago I set the bottom taskbar to have the windows allign horizontaly
[07:36] <Rictoo> but I want it like default - with one on top of the other
[07:36] <Rictoo> like groups of 2
[07:38] <n0n4m3-> back
[07:43] <n0n4m3-> yee
[07:43] <n0n4m3-> i fixed it:D
[07:43] <The_Machine> any good howtos for setting up vnc server on kubuntu?
[07:44] <n0n4m3-> !vnc
[07:44] <ubotwo> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[07:44] <The_Machine> heh, cool.
[07:45] <Rictoo> a long time ago I set the bottom taskbar to have the windows allign horizontaly
[07:45] <Rictoo> but I want it like default - with one on top of the other
[07:45] <Rictoo> like groups of 2
[07:50] <eeos> hi! I need to highlight some words in a pdf document. Is there a tool I can use?
[07:53] <The_Machine> eeos - what PDF reader are you using?
[07:54] <eeos> I have several, but mostly use kpdf
[07:55] <The_Machine> oh, try adobe acrobat reader
[07:55] <The_Machine> it does that
[07:55] <The_Machine> i don't know any other ones that do
[07:55] <eeos> The_Machine: thanks.
[07:56] <The_Machine> :)
[07:56] <The_Machine> isn't open source
[07:56] <The_Machine> but it does the job
[07:57] <tsdgeos> eeos: define "hightlight"
[07:57] <eeos> tsdgeos: well, anything that could highlight them.
[07:58] <tsdgeos> but what does highlight to you mean?
[07:58] <tsdgeos> highlight, save and send to someone else?
[07:58] <tsdgeos> or select to copy and then paste elsewhere?
[07:58] <eeos> no, highlight on te document, and save the highlightig.
[07:59] <tsdgeos> acrobat reader doesn't let you save anything afair
[07:59] <eeos> tsdgeos: ah :(
[08:00] <tsdgeos> you could try pdf editor
[08:00] <eeos> what is that?
[08:00] <tsdgeos> http://pdfedit.petricek.net/pdfedit.index_e
[08:00] <tsdgeos> but last time i tried it was quite unstable and difficult to use
[08:00] <andres__> IF I CREATE A FOLDER HOW CAN I CHANGE THE ACCESS PERMISSION?
[08:00] <kilrae> aha, i uninstalled openoffice and reinstalled it and now it works
[08:01] <tsdgeos> i'd first try with scribus
[08:01] <tsdgeos> it can export to pdf and highlight things
[08:01] <tsdgeos> not sure about importing from pdf though
[08:01] <eeos> tsdgeos: do not think so
[08:02] <kilrae> scribus doesn't open pdfs, or at least it didn't a few months ago
[08:04] <eeos> tsdgeos: yes did not when I tried
[08:06] <timmay> is there an active directory manager for kubu?
[08:06] <hyper_ch> jikes... ADS
[08:18] <The_Machine> ADS?
[08:18] <The_Machine> hmmm
[08:19] <Kite_DH> The_Machine: AIDS :)
[08:21] <The_Machine> AHH!
[08:21] <The_Machine> nooo.
[08:27] <The_Machine> hey guys
[08:27] <The_Machine> i just plugged in a new USB hdd
[08:28] <The_Machine> and i got a dialog that says "new device found - unmounted removable medium"
[08:28] <The_Machine> and says i can open new window, etc
[08:28] <The_Machine> but if i pick new window, nothing happens
[08:28] <The_Machine> where might i find this device in the filesystem?
[08:28] <The_Machine> it isn't in /media
[08:28] <The_Machine> but it's unmounted
[08:28] <The_Machine> so i probably wouldn't find it there anyway, right?
[08:32] <rothchild> I've got wireless working with knetwork manager sort of working with ndiswrapper on a very finicky acer laptop but it's really erratic what's the best way of tailing what it is up to?
[08:36] <llp78> looking for some type of linux software so I can download pics and tunes from my phone - any ideas ? been loking about and cant find anything ?
[08:37] <llp78> already tried to install the PC suite via wine and thats a no go :(
[08:37] <rothchild> llp78 you can either do it with bluetooth or you should just be able to plug your phone in a usb socket
[08:37] <Etokura> Yeah?
[08:37] <rothchild> that's how I do it with my sony erricson
[08:37] <llp78> rothchild i plug the phone in and it reboots my phone
[08:37] <llp78> I have a sony ericsson
[08:37] <llp78> which model
[08:38] <rothchild> I've tried k750 800 and 810 they all work fine
[08:38] <llp78> I have the W850I
[08:38] <llp78> do i need to do anything - install additional drivers etc
[08:38] <rothchild> is that the big one with the 3mpix camera?
[08:38] <llp78> nope
[08:39] <llp78> rothchild http://www.mad4mobilephones.com/sony-ericsson-w850i/
[08:39] <rothchild> lol sorry mine is an 850 too (just checked)
[08:39] <llp78> ok can you talk me through it ?
[08:40] <rothchild> I just plug it in on usb and the phone asks if it should be in phone mode or transfer mode
[08:40] <AutoMatriX> hi folks
[08:41] <llp78> rothchild this is the very 1st time its worked and i have tried  tens of times
[08:41] <Eyeless> llp78: my w850 reboots aswell, but it boots into usb-mode, then it reboots again when i disconnect it
[08:41] <llp78> Eyeless thanks guys
[08:41] <rothchild> hit transfer mode and kde pops a window saying there's a new device (well 2 infact there's the phone memory and the memory stick in there) open the memory stick in a new window
[08:41] <llp78> its working
[08:41] <rothchild> woot!
[08:41] <rothchild> shame the camera sux I want my 750 back
[08:42] <Eyeless> rothchild: well its hard to beat the size, and the mp3 player works really well for me
[08:43] <llp78> and me
[08:43] <Eyeless> i dont need my ipod anymor which is great
[08:43] <llp78> :)
[08:44] <rothchild> !ndiswrapper
[08:44] <ubotwo> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:47] <rothchild> !knetworkmanager
[08:47] <ubotwo> knetworkmanager - User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[08:49] <llp78> Im using konqueror as my type of windows explorer - but i am unable to delete files using this browser - as in files located under .wine - whats the work around here?
[08:50] <ludu__> do any of you guys know why the heck valknut won't download a thing??
[08:50] <nix> Hello everybody..
[08:51] <drkns> hello
[08:51] <salistrari> Ciao a tutti
[08:51] <drkns> i am trying to run this command but i get this error
[08:52] <drkns> sudo echo "ut2004.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[08:52] <drkns> bash: /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss: Permission denied
[08:52] <drkns> even though i put sudo in the beginning i do not get any passwd
[08:52] <drkns> line to put my pass
[08:53] <mattsqz> im trying to flash a new image to my nokia770 but for some reason konqueror downloads files all weird? i dunno.
[08:53] <mattsqz> having the same problem with the bzip2 for kde
[08:53] <drkns> my problem is i have installed Unreal Tournament 2004 it runs but no sound
[08:53] <mattsqz> alsa maybe?
[08:53] <drkns> alsa??
[08:53] <nix> I'd like to download the Kubutu 7.04 DVD. Does anyone know if its a live disk or an alternate installer?
[08:55] <HymnToLife> nix, IIRC, it has both
[08:56] <nix> oh.. k
[08:56] <nix> thanks
[08:56] <mattsqz> theres a dvd? i thought it was all cd
[08:57] <llp78> im trying to del a directory with konqueror - but as its owned by root, i get permission denied! - i can del in the terminal no problems using sudo - but i want to do it via konqueror
[08:58] <llp78> has to be possible - otherwise its a crap explorer?
[09:00] <Etokura> Open konqueror with root permissions
[09:00] <Etokura> kdesu konqueror
[09:00] <llp78> kdesu ?
[09:01] <lucky_lucas> run kdesu konqueror in console
[09:01] <esben_> llp78: I don't think there is a good solution at this time. As suggested while I wrote this, you can run the entire konq under root, but that is hardly elegant.
[09:01] <lucky_lucas> or type alt+f2
[09:01] <lucky_lucas> and then kdesu konqueror
[09:03] <TheGateKeeper_> or Run Command...  then kdesu konqueror :-)
[09:03] <llp78> ok thanks all for the help - i thought it was just a simple config tweak which when trying to del/rename a file with owner root - a password box would popup or something
[09:04] <esben_> llp78: If it is any consolation, it is a long standing bug with 500+ votes: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5522
[09:04] <esben_> From version 1.91 :o)
[09:04] <llp78> esben_ thanks thats gonna be 501 if i can add my vote
[09:04] <esben_> llp78: Anyone can vote. You have to create an account, first
[09:05] <llp78> well it for the cause - and It would be soo much better
[09:10] <llp78> I have just added the maximum of 20 votes for that bug!! :)
[09:11] <llp78> OMG!!! I just noticed the bug was open'd in 2000 - 7 years and nada
[09:12] <esben_> llp78: A prime oportunity to get involved in the wonderful world of software development :p
[09:12] <neverblue> lmao
[09:13] <llp78> esben_ Lol - I wouldnt have a clue where to start mate and if its taken 7 years, there must be a real issue going on!
[09:14] <esben_> llp78: If you can write C++, just ask over at kdedev. They are happy to take anyone serious onboard. As to why, because very few devs uses konq for deleting (but rather for viewing stuff)
[09:15] <esben_> llp78: This is currently the most hated bug : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41514 -O)
[09:16] <bky> i have a login problem. last night i ran "init 1" trying to do a fast "restart", but it hung. i restarted the computer and i couldn't login to my account
[09:17] <bky> i tought i had fixed it, but now it seems i can only get my KDE working right if i run startx from the console
[09:17] <llp78> esben_ C++ ??? i go as far as PHP and mysql - thats it my brain cant take it - lol
[09:17] <BenWhitey>  hello
[09:18] <bky> if i login from the login screen it comes up very broken; theres no bottom bar, the background is the default, and there is only one window, a terminal. i started other windows but none of them have borders
[09:18] <bky> everything is fine, though, if i run startx
[09:19] <bky> i tried deleting ~/.kde but it didn't help
[09:21] <bky> any ideas?
[09:30] <The_Machine> how to mount "unmounted removable medium"? :)
[09:30] <The_Machine> (external hdd that i just plugged in that isn't mountng automatically)
[09:30] <esben_> The_Machine: Try rightclicking and select mount
[09:31] <rothchild> there;s a bug with usb hard drives
[09:31] <esben_> bky: It is most like kdm config that has screwed up.  But I can't recall where that is hidden
[09:31] <The_Machine> this is just a popup dialog box
[09:31] <The_Machine> i can't right click anything
[09:31] <The_Machine> i don't even know where i would look for it...
[09:32] <bky> what's odd is that it works fine for startx. if it was the kde config, wouldn't it apply to that, too?
[09:32] <The_Machine> "A new type of medium has been detected"
[09:32] <The_Machine> is the dialog, if you're familiar with it
[09:33] <rothchild> The_Machine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102097
[09:33] <esben_> bky: Not kde, kdm... the KDE version of xdm, which lives sort of it's own life. Try this "apt-get remove --purve kdm && apt-get install kdm" It's a bit risky, but since it is broken anyway..
[09:33] <rothchild> have a look in /dev to make sure it been picked up and work out what it's been called
[09:33] <rothchild> then try pmount-hal /dev/sdb
[09:33] <aldin_> how can i disable all ethX during boot is there some argument to pass to kernel line
[09:34] <rothchild> but replace sdb with the nomenclature of your drive
[09:34] <bky> ok running that...
[09:34] <weedar> !ntfs
[09:34] <ubotwo> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:34] <bky> Command line option --purve is not understood
[09:34] <weedar> !ntfs-3g
[09:34] <ubotwo> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:37] <llp78> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:37] <llp78> what do I need to install
[09:39] <llp78> gcc?
[09:39] <esben_> llp78: some version of gcc
[09:39] <llp78> ty
[09:40] <The_Machine> heh@nomenclatre
[09:40] <The_Machine> asain american, please.
[09:40] <The_Machine> sorry, fingers.  (*doh*)
[09:40] <The_Machine> ;P
[09:41] <llp78> esben_ i have version 4.1 installed and still getting that error ?
[09:42] <rothchild> The_Machine sorry 'name'
[09:42] <The_Machine> no, i liked it
[09:43] <The_Machine> reminded me of a part of The Big Lebowski
[09:43] <The_Machine> i got a weird error
[09:43] <rothchild> wierd?
[09:43] <rothchild> how so?
[09:44] <sonoman> jmmm y espaol veo como grave la cosa
[09:45] <The_Machine> pastebin sucks today
[09:45] <The_Machine> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=79445
[09:45] <The_Machine> the error
[09:45] <The_Machine> you think the solution would be obvious..
[09:47] <rothchild> hmm
[09:47] <rothchild> !ntfsfix
[09:47] <The_Machine> ntfsfix "worked" (we'll see)
[09:47] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[09:47] <The_Machine> yeah
[09:47] <The_Machine> !ntfsprogs
[09:47] <ubotwo> ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[09:47] <The_Machine> :)
[09:48] <rothchild> The_Machine cool so are you up and running now?
[09:49] <The_Machine> actually, no
[09:49] <The_Machine> doh
[09:50] <brandon> does anyone here have beryl?
[09:50] <The_Machine> i do brandon
[09:50] <The_Machine> but #beryl is probably the better channel
[09:50] <The_Machine> heh
[09:51] <The_Machine> ;)
[09:51] <rothchild> ditto
[09:51] <brandon> ok i installed mine and when i go into it the screen goes blank what is up?
[09:51] <The_Machine> rothchild, http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=79449
[09:51] <The_Machine> check that out
[09:51] <The_Machine> any suggestions?
[09:52] <The_Machine> ;)
[09:52] <rothchild> did you try the suggested: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/BUSLINK -o force
[09:53] <rothchild> brandon what graphics card are you on?
[09:53] <the-erm> Anyone here know if it's possible to make a local repository?  To be more specific a "cache" of everything you've downloaded for lan?
[09:53] <The_Machine> WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced by the 'force' mount option.
[09:53] <The_Machine> fusermount: failed to access mountpoint /media/BUSLINK: No such file or directory
[09:53] <The_Machine> FUSE mount point creation failed
[09:53] <The_Machine> Unmounting /dev/sdc1 (BUSLINK)
[09:53] <The_Machine> is what i get
[09:53] <The_Machine> :/
[09:54] <rothchild> Sorry I think you're gonna need someone cleverer than me!
[09:55] <KevinAlaska> well I assure you its NOT me.. :)  I can't possibly be more clever then anyone. :(
[09:55] <rothchild> perhaps try swapping /media/buslink for a folder you definitely have permissions for like something in your home folder?
[09:56] <rothchild> it's failing cos you don't have a /BUSLINK folder (I think)
[09:56] <The_Machine> oh!
[09:56] <The_Machine> durrr
[09:56] <The_Machine> good idea :)
[09:56] <esben_> llp78: Then you probably have some option set that prevents it from working. Check the config.log file
[09:56] <KevinAlaska> /shrug
[09:57] <The_Machine> yeah!
[09:57] <The_Machine> worked :)
[09:57] <rothchild> KevinAlaska it's all good jus keep taking the tablets ;-)
[09:57] <rothchild> wooooo!
[09:58] <KevinAlaska> heh  ..  I would take more of those tablets.. seems I lost or missplaced them... but really I am just blaming them on thieft.
[10:01] <bky> kdm broke other things...
[10:01] <KevinAlaska> hay... Anyone know how to delete all files in a group of folders and subfolders in a single command or two.  I have a BUNCH of photos thta were imported in numerous backups by using F-Stop and it places all photos with duplicate names in the folders but renames them at the end of the name with -1.jpg, -2.jpg etc etc etc.  Anyone now have to do this so I don't have to manually sort through these files myself.
[10:02] <bky> i fixed it by installing kubuntu-desktop again but it didn't fix my login problems
[10:02] <KevinAlaska> folder path is /home/myname/Photos/
[10:02] <AWOSLappy> KevinAlaska:  rm /home/myname/Photos/*-1.jpg
[10:02] <AWOSLappy> ?
[10:02] <KevinAlaska> will that search all the subfolders too?
[10:02] <bky> add a -R
[10:03] <KevinAlaska> really.. nifty... sounds too easy. :) thanks I will try it.  so its "rm /home/myname/Photos/*-1.jpg -R"
[10:04] <llp78> rm -r
[10:04] <KevinAlaska> oh.. got it.. thanks
[10:04] <AWOSLappy> lip78: nope, capital R
[10:05] <llp78> AWOSLappy from the man pages ---
[10:05] <llp78> -r, -R, --recursive
[10:05] <llp78>               remove directories and their contents recursively
[10:05] <llp78> so -r -R what ever its the same thing
[10:06] <nahemoth> hey I have a problem about my network... could you help me about it?
[10:06] <KevinAlaska> hummm.. gives a "No such file of directory" error
[10:07] <brandon> brandon what graphics card are you on? ati
[10:07] <llp78> KevinAlaska ok cd to the directory and then run rm -r on the file you wanna remove
[10:07] <KevinAlaska> maybe because the actual files are not until the last folders /photos/(year)/(month)/(day)/(photos)
[10:07] <bky> you have to put your username where "myname is"
[10:07] <KevinAlaska> correct
[10:08] <brandon> rothchild
[10:08] <brandon> im on ati express 200
[10:08] <bky> i don't have anything to test it on... maybe try "rm -r *-1.jpg" from that folder
[10:08] <rothchild> !beryl
[10:08] <brandon> thas my motherboard
[10:08] <ubotwo> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:08] <brandon> what should i do?
[10:09] <brandon> what should i do?
[10:09] <rothchild> brandon have you looked at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341149
[10:09] <brandon> probably not
[10:09] <brandon> hold on
[10:10] <rothchild> second thoughts scrap that it looks pretty out of date
[10:10] <brandon> where do u put the code?
[10:10] <defcon_> yo id like to keep /home/defcon private so I chmod 600  /home/defcon and kde couldnt load xchat
[10:12] <brandon> it says command not found whenever i hook it up?
[10:12] <AWOSLappy> Is there a KDE equivalent to ndisgtk?
[10:12] <brandon> in thed terminal program
[10:12] <llp78> on which command ?
[10:13] <brandon> the one for which i install beryl with my ati express 200
[10:13] <agn0stic> apt-get install beryl?
[10:13] <llp78> what does "glxinfo | grep direct" output ?
[10:15] <defcon_> yo id like to keep /home/defcon private so I chmod 600  /home/defcon and kde couldnt load xchat, does kde need permission if so how do I do that
[10:16] <Kr4t05> So, all these updates I'm getting today, that's the new KDE release?
[10:17] <agn0stic> defcon: is there a .xchat directory in /home/defcon? I assume so. Try changing that (the .xchat directory) to 644
[10:18] <defcon_> agn0stic, yea there is
[10:18] <defcon_> what does 644 do
[10:18] <agn0stic> defcon: if kde needs to read from directories under your home, and they're all 600 it won't be able to do so (i assume). ries un
[10:19] <agn0stic> defcon: allows read for everyone, i think
[10:19] <agn0stic> defcon: why would you mod your home so you can't execute stuff in it anyhow?
[10:20] <agn0stic> defcon: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml
[10:21] <agn0stic> defcon: also, I would expect other apps with .appname directories under your home not to work either, assuming your problem is permissions here (and I expect it is)
[10:21] <llp78> if xchat needs to be launched it has to be 744
[10:21] <brandon> rothchild u ther>
[10:21] <llp78> for the execute
[10:22] <agn0stic> true that.
[10:22] <brandon> how do u enable rendering?
[10:22] <massimo> ciao a tutti
[10:22] <agn0stic> i would assume that xchats binary was in another directory, and it just needs to read configuration and stuff
[10:22] <massimo> !list
[10:22] <ubotwo> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:22] <llp78> needs to be launched
[10:24] <makuseru> hi, my amarok suddenly stopped playing mp3's so i uninstalled and reinstalled and it still wont play them, when i try to add them to the playlist it just says "Some Media Could Not Be Added (not playable) and it asks me to install mp3 support, but i alrady have, and when i click it it does nothing, how can i get it to play mo3s again?
[10:25] <rothchild> yo
[10:25] <rothchild> brandon how you getting on?
[10:26] <rothchild> rendering?
[10:26] <brandon> yea
[10:26] <Graham> Does anyone know how to change the colour the the text background in Kopete? It just won't change to white!
[10:27] <Graham> Even when I delete Kopete settings.
[10:27] <brandon> 1-First you need to have direct rendering Enable. Type the following command in the terminal
[10:27] <brandon> it says that
[10:27] <llp78> to get rendering Download the Attached script to install ATI XPRESS 200 Drivers, xorg-driver and fglrx to enable direct rendering
[10:27] <agn0stic> makeuseru: try apt-get install libmad0 to make sure you have mp3 support. If that says it's already installed, check what output engine amarok is using
[10:27] <llp78> thats what it say's on the link
[10:29] <rothchild> ok
[10:29] <brandon> whee do u find those attached scripts?
[10:29] <makuseru> !w32codecs
[10:29] <brandon> where?/
[10:29] <ubotwo> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[10:29] <RawSewage> how do I fix this line:   DISPLAY=:0.0 dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setWallpaper ~/Images/$filename 6          so that it only changes the active desktop's wallpaper, instead of all of the desktops
[10:29] <rothchild> it's at the bottom of the post
[10:30] <makuseru> !Codecs
[10:30] <rothchild> but be carefull because that guide is for edgy, are you using edgy?
[10:30] <ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:30] <brandon> no
[10:31] <BluesKaj> llp78, try this tutorial , it worked for my setup ati xpress200 onboard
[10:31] <BluesKaj> http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[10:31] <llp78> apt-get should of resolved all these problems for you -
[10:32] <brandon> ???
[10:32] <llp78> I dont have any problems just trying to help  beryl works good here
[10:32] <agn0stic> rawsewage: dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface  enter that in the command line and look at it
[10:32] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, ty
[10:33] <BluesKaj> ok, for whom it may concern then  ..how top get DRI on ati http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[10:33] <agn0stic> shadytree: np
[10:33] <llp78> BluesKaj its brandon having the problems
[10:34] <nahemoth> I can't activate the network connection, can you give me a hand?
[10:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, i gathered that after I posted , llp78
[10:34] <llp78> BluesKaj :-)
[10:34] <rothchild> brandon this is looking pretty complicated , i've been lucky so far cos beryl's just worked for me but we can get you through it!
[10:36] <BluesKaj> anyway , that tutorial works for those who want google earth etc , llp78 :)
[10:36] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, I couldnt figure it out.  did KDE change.  my script used to only change the active desktop.  now it's changing all of them
[10:37] <ShadyTree> DISPLAY=:0.0 dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setWallpaper ~/Images/$filename 6
[10:37] <llp78> BluesKaj google earth - is that not avail from just google.com and select maps - then select satalites ?
[10:37] <agn0stic> shadytree: I don't really know. It looks like you can feed an int as the first argument for the desktop number
[10:38] <brandon> rothchild im using feisty
[10:38] <BluesKaj> llp78, dunno never tried that approach to google earth
[10:38] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, I want it to change the active desktop, whatever that happens to be at the time.  not a specific one
[10:38] <agn0stic> shadytree: i'm not sure how to detect the current desktop, but try DISPLAY=:0.0 dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface 1 ~/images$filename 6
[10:38] <llp78> BluesKaj i dont see a difference between the two
[10:38] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, ok
[10:38] <rothchild> brb dinner's up
[10:38] <agn0stic> shadytree: and see if that changes just one desktops
[10:39] <agn0stic> shadytree: the question of course, is how to discover which desktop is active
[10:39] <jose__> hol
[10:39] <jose__> me podeis ayudar?
[10:39] <tsdgeos> !es
[10:39] <ubotwo> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:39] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, the thing is, it used to work as is.  Im wondering if theres some CP setting .  oh well.
[10:40] <agn0stic> shadytree: I'm not familiar enough with what's going on with kde to know off the top of my head. I'm sure there's a way though. There should be a site that lists recent changes, at the very least
[10:41] <agn0stic> shadytree: or the guys in #kde might know more
[10:41] <ShadyTree> agn0stic, ok thx
[10:45] <BluesKaj> llp78, the google earth app uses layered video of the earth to take you around the globe in a smooth manner ...it's quite different fom google maps
[10:47] <bjoldfield> can someone offer a noob some help?
[10:47] <fribuntu> Hi all
[10:47] <BluesKaj> bjoldfield, just ask your question
[10:47] <fribuntu> can someone tell me the current official version of KDE on Kubuntu 7.04 (feisty)?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> 3.5.7
[10:48] <brandon> 3.5.7
[10:48] <nahemoth> what is "eth0: avah" ?
[10:48] <brandon> urnintrnet
[10:48] <bjoldfield> I just let aptget make some automatic updates, and now X pukes when it starts
[10:48] <brandon> your internet
[10:48] <BluesKaj> describe 'pukes"
[10:48] <bjoldfield> I'm getting errors about not being about to locate /dev/input/wacom, though I don't even have a wacom tablet (what I assume it's looking for), and don't have drivers for it installed
[10:49] <bjoldfield> or, rather, I did not install any
[10:49] <bjoldfield> i'm just now looking through the log file
[10:50] <BluesKaj> what automatic updates and what pkg manager did you use , bjoldfield ?
[10:51] <bjoldfield> That's a very good question.  It's the default package manager in Ubuntu, I believe aptget, but I am not certain
[10:51] <BluesKaj> ok, as long as it wasn't automatix
[10:51] <BluesKaj> you may have to go into the terminal to reset the Xorg file
[10:52] <mdr> Couple of noob questions.
[10:52] <bjoldfield> Which would display possible updates in the system tray?
[10:52] <mdr> If I copy all  the files (including the project file) from Qt's example dir and build the project myself by doing qmake and make.  The exe is about 12,000 bytes larger than Qt's.  What's different?
[10:52] <The_Machine> when playing wmv files the sound is off from the video in both kaffiene and mplayer - little help?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> bjoldfield,  in the terminal : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:54] <mdr> wrong channel :-)
[10:54] <mdr> so sorry
[10:55] <BluesKaj> noob mdr ?.....doesn't look like a noob question to me
[10:55] <bjoldfield> sounds good, I'll give it a try, thanks
[10:55] <The_Machine> heh
[10:56] <dogatemycomputer> bjoldfield: have you checked /etc/X11/ and make sure there isn't a backup xorg.conf someplace?  (if I missed part of the convo.. sorry.. just thought I would throw that out there)
[10:56] <fribuntu> I am experiencing heavy graphics bugs when starting up fontforge under Kubuntu. Is anyone else having probelms? If yes, I'd like to open a launchpad bugreport.
[10:57] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: have you searched launchpad to see if someone else is experiencing the same issues?
[10:58] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: I have and no, I have not found any similar problems reproted by others. But fontforge is a very "niche" type packae, I believe.
[10:59] <ubuntu_> sqlut
[10:59] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: I'll try it now
[10:59] <bjoldfield> yeah, I did have some backups, but they didn't work
[10:59] <bjoldfield> sorry, looking at another monitor
[11:00] <suimui> huhu
[11:01] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: Since my last upgrade, when I start fontforge and open a new font project, I cannot edit any glyphs. The graphics start to screw up and show wrong bitmaps in the windows. I cannot even close the window, because the dialogue does not show to press "OK". I have to "kill" it from a console.
[11:01] <bjoldfield> I tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail...
[11:01] <nahemoth> what should I do to run mp3 files in Amarok?
[11:01] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: got an example project?
[11:01] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: and what gfx driver are you using?
[11:02] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: Just try to open a new font project and double click on any glyph for editing to reproduce it.
[11:02] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: oka
[11:02] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: I am using the NVidia beta driver for my 8500GT GPU, however, I have also experienced this when using vanilla "nv" driver and "vesa" driver.
[11:03] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: is it when you start drawing it screws up?
[11:03] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: When you chose any function from the drwaing tool menu. In fact, that menu is already showing some black fields instead of the tool bitmaps.
[11:04] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: mine seems just fine, i'm using fglrx
[11:04] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: You should see it clearly once you start to paint anything in the edit box.
[11:04] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: Is there anywhere I can paste a screenshot without having to register first? Something like pastbin for screenshots?
[11:05] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: donno actually, here's my screen: http://enhance-it.dk/test.png
[11:06] <fribuntu> _StefanS_: Yeah, looks fine. Can you switch between back and fore layer once? That
[11:06] <bjoldfield> okay... I've removed the wacom references in xorg.conf.  Now the final line before X kicks me back to the prompt is: "waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing
[11:06] <fribuntu> s when it started first for me.
[11:09] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: lemme check
[11:10] <bjoldfield> any more ideas?
[11:10] <_StefanS_> fribuntu: seems to work fine
[11:11] <pisq> installed 7.o4 Kubuntu just now.
[11:11] <cWolfe> is xchat compiled with ipv6 enabled? how would i find out?
[11:12] <pisq> is there a way to install screen savers?
[11:12] <_StefanS_> cWolfe: you could download the source
[11:12] <_StefanS_> pisq: only if you know the package names I would suspect
[11:12] <pisq> ok, I don't.
[11:12] <_StefanS_> pisq: sudo apt-cache search screensaver
[11:13] <_StefanS_> pisq: or similar
[11:13] <pisq> thanks.
[11:13] <_StefanS_> cWolfe: sudo apt-get source xchat
[11:13] <cWolfe> noob question, _StefanS_  the source fromxchat.org?
[11:13] <cWolfe> oh
[11:13] <cWolfe> okay, thanks _StefanS_
[11:13] <sercik> hi! when i do apt-get update i receive: unknown error executing gpgv
[11:13] <_StefanS_> cWolfe: np
[11:14] <_StefanS_> sercik: I would do sudo apt-get install gpgv --reinstall
[11:14] <otero> linux is hard I cant run anything!
[11:14] <otero> ;)
[11:14] <sercik> i try
[11:14] <eljefe> BenWhitey: did you ever get your ath0 wifi working since last night?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> sercik: seems like the package is broken, have you got anymore errors?
[11:17] <bjoldfield> could improperly loaded fonts keep X from running?
[11:17] <brandon> how do u download aim
[11:17] <Graham> Hey I'm having a problem with Wine, for some reason none of my Wine apps have an internet connection, any idea what might cause it? I'm on Feisty.
[11:18] <eljefe> brandon: aim, the chat client?  its a windows program, but look into Gaim (now named Pidgin)
[11:18] <brandon> im on feisty fawn by the way
[11:18] <brandon> yea the chat client'
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !kopete
[11:18] <ubotwo> kopete - instant messenger for KDE - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[11:19] <eljefe> brandon: start the program Add/Remove Programs and look for Gaim or Kopete
[11:19] <eljefe> but i bet Kopete is installed already in your Internet menu
[11:19] <brandon> yea it is in my internet
[11:19] <BluesKaj> yup, it should be in the k-menu
[11:19] <eljefe> start that and there will be a wizzard to set your connection up
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Graham, what apps ?
[11:20] <eljefe> sorry, to set up the connection
[11:20] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: whats the issue with your x?
[11:21] <bjoldfield> I'm getting errors loading font paths at start up
[11:21] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: so it wont start?
[11:21] <bjoldfield> nope
[11:21] <Graham> BluesKaj: Steam, worms 2
[11:21] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: have you tried to do a dpkg-reconfigure on the xserver-xorg?
[11:22] <bjoldfield> errors in ../fonts/misc , ../fonts/cyrillic, and ../fonts/Type1
[11:22] <bjoldfield> which are all there
[11:22] <bjoldfield> I have to no avail
[11:22] <Graham> I'm certain it's a wine problem.
[11:22] <felomen> je recherche un salon en francais ,merci de vos repons
[11:22] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[11:22] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:22] <BluesKaj> 'scuse my ignorance Graham...games ?
[11:23] <eljefe> brandon: figure it out?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> !fr | felomen
[11:23] <ubotwo> felomen: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:23] <Graham> BluesKaj: Yes, games.
[11:23] <eljefe> !fr |felomen
[11:23] <ubotwo> elomen: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> hmm, never tried any in wine
[11:25] <bjoldfield> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22488/
[11:26] <timmay> anyone know of blackberry desktop manager for kubuntu?
[11:26] <eljefe> brandon: figure it out?
[11:26] <eljefe> !blackberry
[11:26] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:26] <eljefe> well not me
[11:26] <BluesKaj> !RIM
[11:27] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: I pasted it up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22488/
[11:27] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: 2secs
[11:27] <bjoldfield> awesome, that's alot
[11:27] <esben_> timmay: There was something in the comments to http://dot.kde.org/1179831426/
[11:28] <eljefe> !KDE 3.5.7 in Kubuntu
[11:28] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:28] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give you?
[11:28] <eljefe> anyone know when 3.5.7 is in Kubuntu?
[11:28] <_StefanS_> eljefe: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[11:28] <bjoldfield> I'll past that up too
[11:28] <_StefanS_> eljefe: has been since 23/05
[11:29] <eljefe> i don't want thos packages, i want the real ones
[11:29] <_StefanS_> eljefe: well, define real?
[11:29] <_StefanS_> eljefe: feisty is not going to have official kde 3.5.7
[11:29] <eljefe> from the Ubuntu sources in Adept; J Riddell's packages always screw up my system after a few weeks
[11:30] <eljefe> _StefanS_: lame, but thanks for the info
[11:30] <_StefanS_> eljefe: not considering stability
[11:30] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: shoot, I pasted over the xorg.conf.  it's at the same address: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22489/
[11:30] <eljefe> _StefanS_: not considering stability how?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> eljefe: Well, check this one out https://wiki.kubuntu.org/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:32] <esben_> Kubuntu 7.11 (?) might have KDE 3.5.7, unless KDE 4 is ready or 3.5.8 is release first, I suppose
[11:32] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: Just noticed something weird... font paths are set correctly in xorg.conf, but two are being referenced in the wrong place ( misc and Type1) in the errors at the end of the log file
[11:32] <bjoldfield> if that makes sense
[11:33] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: I have those errors too, and mine works fine
[11:33] <bjoldfield> huh...
[11:33] <bjoldfield> damnit
[11:33] <kane_> kde4 will not be out in time for kubuntu 7.10, i dont think.
[11:34] <gnomefreak> 7.10 will most likely have either 3.5.7 or .8 as final
[11:34] <gnomefreak> kde4 releases like 2 weeks-4 weeks after release of 7.10
[11:34] <gnomefreak> iirc
[11:34] <kane_> yeah if they keep the schedule
[11:34] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: does your CRT sync at all when starting the x server?
[11:34] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: turn black or something
[11:35] <kane_> even if its early i dont think it would make into kubuntu stable release.
[11:35] <dogatemycomputer> doesn't his xorg.conf refresh rates look a big .. wider than they should be?
[11:35] <kane_> protty big change.
[11:35] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: yeah, it goes black, I get the nVidia splash screen, then i'm kicked back to the prompt
[11:35] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: try commenting out those HorizSync, and VertRefresh
[11:35] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: just my point also ;)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: the nvidia should figure that out for itself
[11:36] <dogatemycomputer> _StefanS_: what happens if he comments them out?  does it have some narrower default ranges that it uses?
[11:36] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: yes probably, I never use hardcoded values for any monitor
[11:36] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: the drivers usually probe correct
[11:37] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: nope... didn't work
[11:37] <BluesKaj> the same lines aren't commented out on my xorg file ...don't thinkuncommenting them will cause a problem
[11:37] <dogatemycomputer> wow.. that was quick..  you commented them out and rebooted that quickly?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: he seems fast, maybe he has another computer ? :)
[11:37] <bjoldfield> hehe
[11:38] <bjoldfield> my good ol' PowerBook G4 and my ubuntu box
[11:38] <dogatemycomputer> _StefanS_: lol.. I assumed that.. but still.. even my Core 2 Duo takes longer than that :P
[11:38] <bjoldfield> was a media center... but distracted my from my studies, now a desktop
[11:38] <BluesKaj> bjoldfield, I still think a reconfigure might do the trick
[11:39] <bjoldfield> BlesKaj: I gave it a try already, but I can try again
[11:39] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: you would happen to have that mx440 in a newer computer ? I'm thinking about agp speed... (a longshot I know)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> reaasign the right setup , then you reset the monitor and grapghics in system settings
[11:39] <bjoldfield> it's in a new-ish computer
[11:39] <bjoldfield> but I've had it working before
[11:40] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: uhm..
[11:40] <bjoldfield> well, by new-ish, i mean 4 years old... new to me
[11:40] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: the core 2 duo's are really cool... best cpu's in years
[11:41] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: hmm try dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[11:41] <BluesKaj> new in the pc community usually means within the last 6mos
[11:42] <BluesKaj> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe :)
[11:42] <dogatemycomputer> _StefanS_: I would like them more if Intel would let them scale their speed down further than 1.6Ghz.   The mobile processors (which are identical) are just more expensive.  It would be nice to cut down on the heat during the summer..
[11:43] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: well I know what you're talking about there.. I have a 2.33 mobile, and it runs _very_ hot
[11:44] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer, my pc is 2ghz cpu but i can't get up past 1ghz ...somekind of power saving thing going on
[11:44] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: but anyways, its damn fast and I dont need to turn on the heater :)
[11:44] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: tried it, but it didnt' work again
[11:44] <bjoldfield> I think I *may* see what's going on
[11:45] <BluesKaj> are you running that command in the terminal bjoldfield?
[11:45] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: well, you could try to let Xorg probe directly, maybe that would help
[11:45] <BluesKaj> seems awfully quick
[11:45] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found
[11:45] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: Xorg -configure >xorg.conf
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> _StefanS_: well... i'm going to buy the mobile version next machine I build so I can get the heat production down.  I live in Phoenix so even a 1 degree increase in room temp can inflate my electric bill.
[11:46] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: err, I didn't see that in your paste (?)
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> _StefanS_: of course the other 8 months of year it isn't a problem because I can just leave the windows open..
[11:46] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: I see your point :)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> dogatemycomputer: that could probably make up for it then hehe
[11:46] <mildner> is there german help
[11:47] <_StefanS_> mildner: #kubuntu-de ?
[11:49] <bjoldfield> yeah, it just came up this time around
[11:49] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: sorry
[11:49] <dogatemycomputer> bjoldfield: that fixed it?
[11:50] <makuseru> hi, my amarok keeps saying i have no MP3 support but when i click "install mp3 support" nothing happens, how can i get it to play mp3s?
[11:50] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: tried the Xorg -configure, kind of worked, I'm in X now, but it looks like no WM is loading
[11:50] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: thats normal
[11:51] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: you should kill it with ctrl+backspace
[11:51] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: did you close amarok then reopen it after attempting to install mp3 support?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: then it should write the config
[11:52] <makuseru> no
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: if that doesn't work.. how about trying "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec"
[11:52] <bjoldfield> looks like it did, just have to change the driver for the gforce
[11:52] <makuseru> i have all my codecs
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: that's my last suggestion..
[11:53] <makuseru> it just stopped working all of a sudden
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: sorry :(  hope someone else can help
[11:53] <eljefe> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> http://www.ubuntux.org/mp3-support-for-amarok
[11:53] <eljefe> makuseru: just stopped, but it played mp3s before?
[11:53] <makuseru> yes
[11:53] <eljefe> in your IRC, type /join #amarok [enter]  and ask there maybe
[11:54] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: didn't they dump support for the earlier boards some time back... or maybe that was ATI..
[11:54] <makuseru> its been fine, and then all of a sudden i open it to listen to somthing and i get 7 errors that pop up saying i have no mp3 suppoer
[11:54] <makuseru> support*
[11:54] <gnomefreak> eljefe: enable multiverse repo
[11:54] <gnomefreak> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:54] <ubotwo> libxine-extracodecs - the xine video/media player library, binary files - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[11:54] <wilman> How do i install a wirreles mouse on ubuntu?
[11:54] <eljefe> no, i think the error was the package name should have been: libxine-extracodecs (with an 's' at the end)
[11:54] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: I'm pretty sure it was ATI, I have an all in wonder that I can't use anymore
[11:54] <wilman> mouse!
[11:55] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: how about this?  http://mykubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/05/solved-my-temporary-amarok-mp3-problem.html
[11:55] <gnomefreak> eljefe: i just gave you the right spelling of it. and yes with an s as it is more than one codec
[11:55] <eljefe> wilman: plug it in?  thats how all my mice work (even the wireless need to connect some how)
[11:55] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: copied the new config file to /etc/X11/ but same errors
[11:55] <wilman> ok i have
[11:55] <wilman> and it detects the mouse
[11:55] <eljefe> gnomefreak: you gave the correct spelling but dogatemycomputer didn't
[11:55] <wilman> eljefe: but i cant do anyting with it
[11:56] <eljefe> wilman: has it the needed batteries?
[11:56] <eljefe> does it shine a light out the bottom?
[11:56] <wilman> yep
[11:56] <gnomefreak> wilman: try restarting if its detecting it that should work
[11:56] <wilman> there shines a ilght
[11:57] <gnomefreak> you shouldnt need to but sometimes you do
[11:57] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: err well, are you sure you got the right xorg.conf to /etc/X11?
[11:57] <wilman> hmm i have already done that
[11:57] <wilman> the ligth shines
[11:57] <eljefe> restarted the computer? it may help but thats a pretty lame fix (aka the windows way ;) )
[11:57] <wilman> my computer detects
[11:57] <_StefanS_> wilman: is it usb or bluetooth?
[11:57] <wilman> usb
[11:57] <gnomefreak> wilman: shut down, unplug mouse hold in hand for 30 secs plug it back in and start it up again
[11:58] <wilman> no that does'nt work i think:)
[11:58] <gnomefreak> wilman: you might need drivers but i dont rmemeber you needing them (i guess would depend on the mouse)
[11:58] <wilman> it is a shure :(
[11:58] <gnomefreak> no that doesnt work i think?
[11:59] <wilman> indeed i don't think that's gonna work
[11:59] <_StefanS_> wilman: whats the brand/model of the mouse?
[11:59] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: Yeah, Xorg -configure wrote it to xorg.conf.new in my home dir, and I copied that one to /etc/X11
[11:59] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: and renamed it to xorg.conf ?
[12:00] <wilman> wireless optical mouse trust xpertclick
[12:01] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: I did.  New question, possibly related, probably not.  On boot I'm now getting a message from the BIOS hardware monitor saying there's an error.  In BIOS the hardware monitor is showing my CPU at 101C/213F degrees
[12:01] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: well that would probably explain some of it I guess.
[12:02] <hendaus> hiya
[12:02] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: that usually leads to periodic errors
[12:02] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: what is normal operating temp?
[12:03] <_StefanS_> bjoldfield: 60-70(max)
[12:03] <bjoldfield> whee!
[12:03] <hendaus> helpers, how can i see my memory speed on kubuntu?
[12:04] <_StefanS_> hendaus: you should check your bios postmessage for that
[12:04] <bjoldfield> _StefanS_: alright, well, I really have to go get some studying in... one week left in the quarter and a ton of stuff to get done.  Thanks for all your help, and I'll most likely be back after my desktop cools off a bit and I get a chance to take another crack at it
[12:05] <hendaus> _StefanS_:  sorry i want to see how many memory i have?
[12:05] <_StefanS_> hendaus: cat /proc/meminfo
[12:05] <_StefanS_> hendaus: look at physical
[12:06] <hendaus> _StefanS_:  MemTotal:      1003440 kB
[12:07] <_StefanS_> hendaus: so thats one gig
[12:07] <_StefanS_> hendaus: my laptop says: MemTotal:      3115308 kB :P
[12:07] <hendaus> _StefanS_:  ok thanks
[12:07] <hendaus> nice
[12:08] <_StefanS_> gotta sleep..
[12:08] <_StefanS_> bye
[12:09] <wilman> WOOO I HAVE FOUND OUT !!!
[12:09] <wilman> you first have to read the manual before you know how to connect
[12:12] <kane_> hey whats a command i can use to max out the cpu via the cli/
[12:12] <kane_> i basicly want to slam the proc to see if it overheats
[12:13] <PhinnFort> kane_: there's several stress-testing programs available
[12:13] <PhinnFort> !info cpuburn
[12:13] <ubotwo> cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[12:13] <kane_> cool thanks.
[12:13] <PhinnFort> kane_: sudo aptitude install cpuburn && cpuburn
[12:13] <PhinnFort> :D


[02:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:43] <ducasse> hi folks
[14:56] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's not Kolusion
[14:56] <leftyfb> it's actually a friend of mine
[14:58] <leftyfb> oh wait
[14:59] <leftyfb> no, it's not my friend :)
[14:59] <leftyfb> sorry, wrong person :)
[14:59] <oerheks> i still believe he is ban-evading
[14:59] <leftyfb> yep
[15:46] <ogra> leftyfb, yeah, you two clearly sound like old friends 😛
[15:46] <oerheks> leftyfb, can you join -ops?
[15:47] <leftyfb> ogra: I got them mixed up
[15:47] <ogra> yeah, i got that
[15:47] <leftyfb> oerheks: what's the point?


[16:14] <studio-devel000> HI, i have a question... how can a non-coder contribute to the project?  i  am graphic-designer and 3d generalist... and i want to give back to this project
[16:52] <studio-devel000> well it seems no one is here, i will back later