[00:00] <dtchen> can you point me to a VCS?
[00:00] <dtchen> i can't look ATM, but i can look this weekend
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: NULL thus default, thus pulseaudio
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: it behaves identically in pulseaudio as the SDL/ALSA case
[00:00] <dtchen> sorry, i meant in terms of backend source code. Is your openal backend using ALSA?
[00:00] <nemo> dtchen: nope
[00:01] <dtchen> uhh!
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: evice = alcOpenDevice(NULL);
[00:01] <nemo> er
[00:01] <nemo> device = alcOpenDevice(NULL);
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: NULL means "pick default"
[00:01] <dtchen> nemo: pick _alsa-lib_'s default?
[00:01] <nemo> in this case, pulseaudio
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: openalsoft
[00:01] <nemo> config is in /etc/alsa/
[00:01] <nemo> er
[00:01] <nemo>  /etc/openal
[00:02] <dtchen> ok, and what does openalsoft use? alsa-lib's virtual default def?
[00:02] <dtchen> ultimately, i need to know what openalsoft is using
[00:02] <nemo> dtchen: it'll use whatever you configure it to use :)
[00:02] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/408406
[00:02] <dtchen> nemo: right, so where's the VCS?
[00:03] <nemo> dtchen: one sec, going to try forcing generic alsa instead of NULL, see if that helps
[00:04] <dtchen> nemo: if you do that, you'll need export PULSE_INTERNAL=0 and possible pasuspender
[00:04] <nemo> ALSA Software on default
[00:04] <nemo> dtchen: yeah. I tried pasuspender before - cuts off all sound
[00:04] <nemo> dtchen: we can already turn off sound in game for Ubuntu users...
[00:06] <nemo> dtchen: hardcoding "ALSA Software on default"
[00:06] <nemo> instead of using NULL
[00:06] <nemo> fixes 100% CPU in openal
[00:06] <nemo> dtchen: unsurprisingly since pulseaudio has haunted our nightmares for the past year
[00:07] <dtchen> as an aside, I love how people rant on PulseAudio but fail to see the nasty-arse bugs in ALSA, but I digress
[00:07] <nemo> dtchen: dude. I've repeatedly said I'm sure ALSA has a ton of nasty-ass bugs
[00:07] <nemo> that's not the problem
[00:08] <nemo> the problem is that pulseaudio, like so many pieces of software is in an imperfect world
[00:08] <bitwise_> hi, my kubuntu 9.1 install was working fine but since yesterday evening all i get is "gave up waiting for root device"
[00:08] <stpere> hmm, is it possible Mesa 7.6 is broken?
[00:08] <nemo> and, that our code worked, even if it worked in a buggy environment w/ poorly implemented features
[00:08] <stpere> I had visual glitch
[00:08] <nemo> and if pulseaudio can't maintain same level of reliability it should not be rolled out as default
[00:08] <nemo> only as a test option
[00:08] <stpere> then I downloaded the vanilla one from mesa3d.org and it works perfect
[00:08] <dtchen> nemo: not just that. It's that PulseAudio sits on top of a broken-arse ALSA, thus making everyone hate everyone else.
[00:09] <dtchen> nemo: in any case, it sounds like you already have a workaround, so what's the real question?
[00:09] <nemo> dtchen: well. I just found the workaroudn seconds ago :)
[00:09] <nemo> instead of disabling openal, we'll offer a toggle that ubuntu users can try, that will try the ALSA default
[00:09] <nemo> dtchen: we are implementing it right now
[00:09] <nemo> also looking into reliability of cross operating system device querying
[00:10] <dtchen> yeah, good luck.
[00:10] <nemo> dtchen: but yes. I know pa sits on top of ALSA bugs.
[00:10] <dtchen> i remember that pain six years ago
[00:10] <nemo> but unfortunately it compounds the problem :(
[00:10] <dtchen> nemo: and will continue to until we fix the crap in ALSA
[00:10] <nemo> until it doesn't do that, it shouldn't be rolled out. but not my choice obviously
[00:10] <nemo> dtchen: well sure. and once that crap is fixed, roll out PA
[00:10] <nemo> don't make a so-so situation worse
[00:11] <dtchen> nemo: I think that demonstrates a lack of understanding in how audio stacks progress.
[00:11] <nemo> dtchen: I'm just talking user experience here
[00:11] <nemo> dtchen: my own limited knowledge in audio has been stuff like cursing all the hundreds of ways mp3 encoding is broken
[00:11] <dtchen> nemo: firstly, it doesn't matter if PA is rolled out now or not. Hardware manufacturers continue to create broken devices.
[00:11] <nemo> but you know what, we friggen supported all those non-standard ways
[00:11] <nemo> 'cause if we didn't, users would have a bad time
[00:11] <FFForever> hi ya peeps, how can i find out why natulis is crashing?
[00:12] <FFForever> well i know WHY just not why?
[00:12] <nemo> so. yes. imperfect world. striving for perfection is not possible
[00:12] <dtchen> nemo: right, you get brokenness in ALSA, too; it's just more subtle
[00:12] <dtchen> nemo: for instance, instead of seeing the program segfault, you scribble over kernel memory
[00:13] <joaopinto> nemo, didn't you agreed on a past conversation that you were not qualified to determine the root cause of your sound problems ? Why do you keep on this destructive PA kicking sport ?
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: I came here to solve a problem, I did
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: then dtchen kept going, so I answered
[00:14] <nemo> joaopinto: and as I said to you at that time, I'm aware the root causes are deeper
[00:14] <dtchen> there's nothing to discuss, really
[00:14] <nemo> I was more concerned with what it adds to the mix
[00:15] <nemo> joaopinto: but feel free to frame it as you wish
[00:15] <dtchen> unless people are actively fixing the hardware ($) and the drivers, then we'll continue to be in a crapstorm
[00:15] <xcvbfghjk> If Linux didn't have any bugs, it'd be so cool.
[00:16] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here using karmic on a laptop?
[00:16] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Me.
[00:16] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: that's what I'm testing right now :)
[00:16] <nemo> Dell Latitude D610
[00:16] <pace_t_zulu> xcvbfghjk, your brightness hotkeys working?
[00:17] <nemo> it is my "sucky system" for testing game
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> Eee PC 901
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Yes.
[00:17] <pace_t_zulu> nemo, your brightness hotkeys working?
[00:17] <dtchen> sigh, the D610 was a piece of arse
[00:17] <xcvbfghjk> pace_t_zulu: Although my screen is broken.
[00:17]  * thiebaude my 9.10 fresh install works great
[00:18] <dtchen> don't get me wrong: most people quite love that hardware, but it has quite a few quirks required in linux
[00:18] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here know why the brightness hotkeys aren't working on a MacBook 4,1 ?
[00:18] <xcvbfghjk> My 9.10 rotten install works great
[00:18] <bitwise_> i'm trying to use karmic on a macbook but it only works for about a day then stops booting
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: um. lemme check :)
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: yep. no probs
[00:18] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: what's your graphics card?
[00:18] <nemo> Intel 915GM personally
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> nemo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/295033/
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> intel 965
[00:21] <pace_t_zulu> intel gm965
[00:21] <dtchen> any (un)lucky soul using an SB Live/Audigy?
[00:21] <FFForever> is this bad?, [   18.768188] type=1503 audit(1255732043.325:25): operation="open" pid=1273 parent=1272 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[00:22] <pace_t_zulu> nemo... you get that?
[00:22] <dtchen> FFForever: not really, but you should probably ask for the apparmor profile to be updated.
[00:23] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: sorry. distracted with my audio problems
[00:23] <FFForever> dtchen, is there a way i can check why nautlis is crashing?, i know how to make it crash i just don't know why its crashing
[00:23] <nemo> in fact, that specifying of a device did not help :-/ we may have to go back to sdl mixer
[00:24] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: if you search on google, lots of people with your card reporting same problem
[00:24] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1197351
[00:25] <dtchen> nemo: why don't you set PULSE_INTERNAL=0 in the env and just open plughw?
[00:25] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: I bet there's bugs on launchpad too, have you looked? seems there's a suggestion to revert the driver
[00:25] <FFForever> how can i fix this?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[00:25] <pace_t_zulu> nemo that's pretty old that link
[00:25] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: comments are new
[00:26] <nemo> pace_t_zulu: bottom one is 2 days ago
[00:26] <nemo> on karmic
[00:26] <nemo> dtchen: that seems to work reliably...
[00:26] <dtchen> nemo: well, it had better
[00:27] <dtchen> if it doesn't, we have much bigger problems in alsa-lib
[00:27] <nemo> heh
[00:27] <dtchen> well, technically, alsa-plugins, but yeah, alsa-lib
[00:28] <smithna> I have a touch screen whose event# changes on each reboot, losing calibration, why wouldn't it use the /dev/input/usb/by-id/ link instead?
[00:31] <HoopyCat> hmm... after 9.04->9.10 upgrade, my usb thumbdrive mounts with the fmask set such that all of the files are permed 755 (basically, world-readable).  this is undesirable, as that's where my private keys and such live.  any nice way to override the umask/fmask on mount without futzing with /etc/fstab?
[00:37] <dragon> Can someone check in karmic if `whois -H example.biz` still shows a "Catastrophic error" near the end of the output?
[00:38] <bitwise_> dragon: yup it does on my kubuntu live cd
[00:38] <dragon> bitwise_: thanks, filing a bug for it.
[00:40] <dtchen> ick, loudon county
[00:40] <dtchen> loudoun*
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  automounting would not be affected by the fsstab.  You might want to try install/running the ntfs-config tool.
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  failing that i think theres some config files that set the default 'umask/dmask/fmask' options for the automounting of them
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> HoopyCat:  the move from HAL to whatever it is now.. has moved a lot of configs about.
[00:44] <HoopyCat> Dr_Willis:  i found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/+question/85848 which is about exactly what i'm seeing... the stuff in /system/storage/* in gconf doesn't apply, and my googling seems to indicate it's one of those "there's no config for it; why would you want to change it?" things
[00:44] <HoopyCat> man, people always go and disappear on me :-)
[00:46] <FFForever> how can i fix this?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[00:55] <metalf8801> how do I add programs to the notification area? like Pidgin?
[00:55] <metalf8801> can that even be done?
[01:00] <Alan1> I tried upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04, the installation downloads everything fine, crashes during installing the distribution, and now my computer will not boot up (I'm running Ubuntu dual boot, neither Vista or Ubuntu will start).
[01:00] <Alan1> Whenever I boot Ubuntu it loads and then gets stuck at a black screen with one dash on the top left corner
[01:00] <Alan1> When I try boot Vista it just goes straight back to bios load and back to dual boot screen.
[01:00] <Alan1> Is there any way to fix this short of a reformat of the ubuntu harddisk?
[01:01] <metalf8801> hmm maybe you should try reinstalling grub
[01:02] <ArkoldThos> grub problem D:
[01:02] <metalf8801> Alan: one sec I'll find you a how to
[01:04] <metalf8801> Alan1: here's some info on grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:04] <amgarchIn9> since update to 9.04 suspend to disk is not working, now on 9.10. This is the grub-1 cmdline: "root=UUID=... ro quiet splash" I dont see "resume" here is it not needed anymoer?
[01:05] <Alan1> thanks metalf
[01:05] <metalf8801> Alan1: about 3/4 of the way down you will find "You can try re-installing the grub using the Ubuntu Live CD, in two different ways."
[01:06] <metalf8801> I hope that helps
[01:06] <Alan1> metalf8801: done, i'll try reboot
[01:06] <metalf8801> good luck
[01:06] <Alan1> metalf8801: if all goes well i wont see you guys again for a bit :)
[01:18] <FFForever> BUGabundo, are you around?
[01:21] <BUGabundo> FFForever: yes, kinda
[01:22] <FFForever> any idea why when i drag files from a tar into natulis it crashes with this error?, http://pastebin.ca/1624364
[01:23] <Sia-> i use ubuntu without gnome.kde,xfce and want to upgrade iut to karmic, is that possible with commandline?
[01:24] <FFForever> Sia-, yeah
[01:24] <Sia-> how?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> Sia-: do-release-upgrade -d
[01:24] <BUGabundo> !upgrade | Sia-
[01:24] <Sia-> that is for server
[01:24] <BUGabundo> FFForever: no idea, really
[01:24] <BUGabundo> Sia-: its for ALL versions
[01:25] <BUGabundo> server and GUI are basicly the same
[01:25] <Sia-> i use ubuntu on desktop
[01:25] <Sia-> with X
[01:25] <BUGabundo> dude are you playing dork or something?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> you just asked for a cli!
[01:25] <BUGabundo> I gave it to you!
[01:25] <BUGabundo> now you start talking about GUI?
[01:25] <Sia-> but some guys told me like debian rename every jaunty to karmic in sources.list and do dist-upgrade
[01:25] <BUGabundo> pick your venon and keep with it
[01:26] <BUGabundo> that's PLAIN CRAZY
[01:26] <BUGabundo> not supported
[01:26] <BUGabundo> and WRONG
[01:26] <FFForever> BUGabundo, what wile i file that under for a bug
[01:27] <Sia-> BUGabundo, ok be not so offensive! i have X with fluxbox windows manager.
[01:27] <BUGabundo> FFForever: does apport fire up??
[01:27] <FFForever> no
[01:27] <Alan1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295068/
[01:27] <BUGabundo> can you run nautilus under GDB?
[01:27] <Alan1> can i get help with this please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/295068/
[01:27] <FFForever> how do i do that?
[01:27] <FFForever> gdb nautilus?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> !gdb | FFForever
[01:28] <FFForever> XD
[01:28] <BUGabundo> !debug | FFForever
[01:28] <BUGabundo> Sia-: sorry. I'm very tired!
[01:28] <BUGabundo> trying to help, ppl that don't seem to want help
[01:28] <Sia->  i thnak you
[01:28] <FFForever> BUGabundo, is it an applet or application?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> cli app
[01:29] <luckyone> hello all, for some reason ath5k isn't loading automatically? is there anyway I can force that module to be loaded at boot so my wifi comes up?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> Sia-: please read the provided link
[01:30] <BUGabundo> luckyone: please take a look at launchpad. several reports for that driver/card
[01:30] <luckyone> BUGabundo: ok - I am just loading it manually for now
[01:30] <luckyone> and it works fine
[01:30] <luckyone> I don't see anything in dmesg
[01:30] <Sia-> BUGabundo, yes already , but some guys told me about the same way under debian, that is way  i ask her again. everything is done and thnx
[01:30] <luckyone> alright - thanks for the help
[01:31] <FFForever> BUGabundo, i mean is it a Gnome Application or Gnome Applet, or is this an xorg problem?
[01:31] <BUGabundo> Sia-: Ubuntu is NOT debian
[01:31] <BUGabundo> distupgrade will not work here as expected on debian
[01:31] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, i was about to say that,lol
[01:31] <BUGabundo> plus, as I said, that method is not officially supported
[01:31] <Sia-> BUGabundo, ok, is debian based disti, is not my point her to discussion about that
[01:32] <bazhang> Sia-, you read the upgrade link?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: Ubuntu: ancient african word for : User can't install debian /sarcarms
[01:32] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, haha, i love that
[01:32] <Alan1> can someone read this http://paste.ubuntu.com/295071/ and help me with repairing my boot?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> FFForever: I bet nautilus/gnome DLL
[01:32] <BUGabundo> err
[01:32] <BUGabundo> depency
[01:32] <Sia-> bazhang, yes but this way from usser make me unsure :) i know yet and thnx
[01:32] <FFForever> brb rebooting
[01:33] <BUGabundo> Sia-: do-release-upgrade is (should be by now) totally safe
[01:33] <Sia-> i do it and worked
[01:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:34] <BUGabundo> welcome to karmic
[01:35] <Sia-> any one her use gmail voice under karmic with pidgin?
[01:35] <BUGabundo> haven't tested it yet
[01:35] <Alan1> is anyone free here to help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/295071/ ?
[01:36] <PatrickStar> Karmic beta X server freezes up on me, but I'm not sure how to properly report the bug. I have a launchpad account now, and have put in a couple bug reports with the automatic reporting help tool that sprang up when something crashed, but that doesn't happen now as the screen is frozen and I have to reboot. It happens as soon as I drag something on the screen.
[01:36] <Sia-> Alan1, try to install GRUB 2 legacy
[01:37] <Sia-> or use LILO instead
[01:37] <Alan1> Sia: im not sure its a grub problem, i alrdy tried repairing grub, and it made no difference
[01:39] <Sia-> but alot of topic in ubuntu forums talking about grub problem during upgrade to karmic
[01:40] <Alan1> Sia: ok i'll try it again
[01:43] <BUGabundo> bed time guys
[01:43] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrow
[01:46] <KnifeySpooney> how do I automatically allow a default keyring? A popup to enter the default keyring for my wireless network comes up every time I restart.
[01:47] <aprilhare> hey
[01:47] <PatrickStar> KnifeySpooney: I'm not sure if this is the best way, but I think you can use Seahorse and set the password of the default keyring the same as your login password
[01:49] <PatrickStar> I think it is in the accessories menu named something about passwords, although "Seahorse" is in the about menu. You can right-click on the default item to edit it.
[01:49] <KnifeySpooney> PatrickStar: Do you mean change my network's password to the same as Ubuntu's password?
[01:49] <PatrickStar> no
[01:50] <PatrickStar> the default keyring password, which I guess is where the  network password gets stored
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> Oh
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> It's the same as my login one
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> already
[01:50]  * aprilhare finds it interesting that when upgrading from jaunty to karmic, cheese wasn't installed - cheese-hildon was. still, changing back to cheese didn't fix webcam problem. i reported the issue for cheese - where else can i report it?
[01:50] <PatrickStar> ok sorry what do you expect from a dumb starfish?
[01:51] <aprilhare> issue=webcam not working
[01:51] <jimpop> PatrickStar, quietness
[01:51] <KnifeySpooney> i expected you to wear hawaiian pants
[01:51] <PatrickStar> yeah I forgot my pants again
[01:52]  * aprilhare reminds PatrickStar that wearing pants while IRCing is obligatory
[01:53] <HoopyCat> utoh
[01:55] <aprilhare> bbl
[02:01] <FeasibilityStudy> Hello, anyone having issues with AppArmor not generating profiles properly?  What I mean is, if you genprof and len logprof, nothing will save.  You get the same log messages over and over each time you logprof.
[02:08] <DanaG> grr, how do I get devkit-disks not to force me to authenticate every time I try to mount an eSATA drive?
[02:11] <jimpop> how do i stop this "wpa_supplicant[940]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS" from appearing over and over in syslog?
[02:24] <PatrickStar> Ok, so I found the answer to my question on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg#Debugging%20Hangs%20/%20Freezes%20/%20Lockups so I will give a try to debug X
[02:27] <gotgnu> anyone have the problem of videos playing with a green tint???
[02:27] <gotgnu> they play the same in vlc and totem
[02:27] <gotgnu> flash is normal
[02:28] <gotgnu> which makes me think it could be driver problem
[02:47] <EruditeHermit> hey, has anyone here used the 64bit flash plugin?
[02:48] <Trizicus> has anyone had problems with deluge starting with iptables enabled? Does it need a certain port (i've opened up BT ports) but does it need mroe than those?
[02:51] <Trizicus> nevermind i think it is daemon port lol
[02:51] <Trizicus> we'll see
[02:53] <haven489> Im trying to install java onto my ubuntu 9.10, so i went to Sun java and followed there Tutorial there but i get stuck on the first part (linux newb) When i use the "su" command and try to put im my pa$$ it does nothing
[02:53] <haven489> any help?
[02:56] <bazhang> he quit
[02:56] <bazhang> haven489, use sudo
[02:56] <ibuclaw> o/
[02:56] <nemo> haven489: yo
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: just use synaptic package manager
[02:57] <haven489> bazhang, tried it gave me the commands that has its usage
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: if you're a newbie, really is easiest
[02:57] <nemo> haven489: type sun-java into search
[02:57] <haven489> Nemo: ill try
[02:58] <nemo> haven489: then install, oh, sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[02:58] <nemo> (2nd one is for firefox if you want that)
[02:58] <haven489> Nemo: i am trying to learn linux
[02:58] <haven489> Nemo: well as best i can
[02:58] <jrglasgow> I just installed 9.10beta -- In the live CD the Network Manager was in the notifications area but one I rebooted after install NetworkManager is no where to be found... Any suggestiong?
[02:58] <nemo> haven489: browsing synaptic package manager is often good place to start
[02:59] <nemo> haven489: I bet if you had clicked on the find button and typed  sun java or java sun or even just java or sun
[02:59] <haven489> Nemo: kk tanks for the help, i just installed ubuntu to my compy cuz Windows vista sux
[02:59] <nemo> you would have found the package in the list pretty quickly :)
[02:59] <nemo> haven489: also. Applications->Ubuntu Software Centre
[02:59] <ibuclaw>  jrglasgow is nm-applet present?
[03:00] <nemo> haven489: basically a friendlier interface to synaptic right now
[03:00] <bazhang> apt-cache search package or aptitude search package work as well :)
[03:00] <nemo> bazhang: hey, he said he's new :)
[03:00] <nemo> bazhang: nothing wrong with starting with GUIs :-p
[03:00] <nemo> he'll get to that soon enough :)
[03:00] <bazhang> nemo, good point :)
[03:00] <nemo> I don't like reinforcing stereotype that linux is still at point of a decade ago :)
[03:00] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw: the binary nm-applet? yes it is present, and running.
[03:01] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, then what is the issue? Just wanting to know what happened to NetworkManager?
[03:01] <haven489> Nemo, bazhang: works
[03:02] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, how am I supposed to connect to wireless without the icon in the notification area?
[03:02]  * haven489 claps for Nemo and bazhang for there being awsome
[03:02] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, I know I can do so with command line, but I didn't htink I should have to
[03:02] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, you mean that it doesn't autostart on login?
[03:03] <ibuclaw> or is the icon just none-existent
[03:03] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, network auto starts at login, but there is no icon to click on
[03:04] <haven489> all: does anyone know i good site for a manual or a tutorial for learning linux???
[03:05] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, check  ~/.xsession-errors
[03:05] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/ haven489
[03:05] <ibuclaw> is there anything in there that relates to nm-applet? (if so, paste bin it)
[03:06] <haven489> bazhang:thanks so much for your help
[03:06] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, ** (nm-applet:2910): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[03:09] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, go to System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[03:10] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, NetworkManager is there and checked
[03:11] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, yeah, that is what I thought.
[03:12] <ibuclaw> seems that you are getting that because nm-applet is trying to make a connection when one already exists.
[03:12] <test34> I tried adjusting my microphone volume while in use (with skype) and it wouldn't let me anyone else noticed this?
[03:12] <jrglasgow> why wouldn't the one that already exist have anything in the notification area?
[03:13] <Hammer89> anyone here aware of issues with ubuntu 9.10 and ATI audio controllers? My audio controller is listed when I run lspci -v, but I have no sound and it only shows a "dummy output"
[03:13] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, hmm, right click on the panel, and select "Add to Panel"
[03:14] <ibuclaw> jrglasgow, then add the "Notification Area" applet, as it may have been removed/renamed in the upgrade.
[03:15] <jrglasgow> ibuclaw, that seems to have done it - thanks
[03:15] <haven489> bazhang: thanks for the guide will read it through all the way
[03:15] <ibuclaw> no probs.
[03:25] <haven489> Question to all MAC vs Windows vs Linux state your opinions on em...
[03:26] <bazhang> haven489, please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:27] <haven489> sure...just need opinions for a project
[03:35] <callnett> hi
[03:35] <callnett> big problem
[03:35] <bazhang> callnett, you haven't asked a question
[03:36] <callnett> i' allready here
[03:36] <bazhang> 'big problem' is not sufficiently clear
[03:37] <callnett> how can i install because i got for everithing just errors
[03:37] <callnett> ?????????
[03:37] <callnett> thanks for your help
[03:37] <CShadowRun> callnett, wait for release
[03:38] <bazhang> callnett, install how, what error messages, what did you try to install
[03:38] <callnett> ok
[03:40] <callnett> dpkg:unable to read file descriptor
[03:40] <callnett> so what can i do?
[03:41] <bazhang> callnett, please answer my questions
[03:41] <callnett> ?
[03:41] <bazhang> callnett, install how, what error messages, what did you try to install
[03:43] <callnett> bazhang: dpkg:unable to read file descriptor
[03:44] <bazhang> callnett, install what, and which means
[03:44] <callnett> bazhang: i try to install opera, skype, adobe player
[03:45] <bazhang> callnett, from where
[03:47] <callnett> from original places, opera-www.opera.com
[03:47] <bazhang> callnett, install flash from ubuntu repos
[03:48] <callnett> it is easy to say but please tell me how, from where
[03:48] <callnett> .......
[03:48] <bazhang> callnett, patience
[03:49] <callnett> ok, sorry
[03:49] <bazhang> callnett, you realize first that this is beta software
[03:50] <callnett> yes but is working for mi frends and for me not
[03:51] <bazhang> callnett, what does sudo apt-get update , then sudo apt-get upgrade return in the terminal
[03:56] <bazhang> callnett, did you have the paste.ubuntu.com error report?
[04:00] <callnett> i tipe in   at                  sudo apt-get update
[04:00] <callnett> callnett@callnett-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[04:00] <callnett> [sudo] password for callnett:
[04:00] <callnett> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta i386 (20090930.1) karmic/main Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Beta i386 (20090930.1) karmic/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Get:1 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release.gpg [189B]
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/multiverse Translation-en_IE
[04:00] <callnett> Hit http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release.gpg
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/main Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <bazhang> callnett, dont paste here
[04:01] <IdleOne> stop
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/restricted Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/universe Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Ign http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Translation-en_IE
[04:01] <callnett> Get:2 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release [65.9kB]
[04:01] <callnett> Hit http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release
[04:01] <callnett> Get:3 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages [1,357kB]
[04:01] <bazhang> !ops
[04:01] <callnett> Get:4 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Packages [7,308B]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:5 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Sources [2,913B]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:6 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Sources [640kB]
[04:01] <callnett> Get:7 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/multiverse Sources [117kB]
[04:01] <IdleOne> bazhang: he pasted it all his client can't stop
[04:01] <IdleOne> but he did have pastebin link
[04:01] <bazhang> IdleOne, but an op can mute him for a bit
[04:01] <IdleOne> true
[04:01] <bazhang> thanks tonyyarusso
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> (That should automatically revert in 10m - let me know if there's any further issue)
[04:02] <bazhang> callnett, paste.ubuntu.com NOT here
[04:02] <bazhang> aww he quit
[04:03] <bazhang> callnett, paste.ubuntu.com NOT here
[04:04] <bazhang> callnett, you open a browser and go to the site paste.ubuntu.com  and copy all that text, then save and give us the url
[04:08] <Nattgew> when gdm runs its postsession scripts, doesn't it wait until they're finished before shutting down?
[04:13] <bazhang> callnett, please discuss here
[04:13] <bazhang> callnett, use paste.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <bazhang> callnett, fine, please discuss here; give us the url
[04:18] <callnett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/295155/
[04:19] <callnett> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295155/
[04:20] <bazhang> callnett, reading now
[04:21] <bazhang> callnett, now paste.ubuntu.com with sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:25] <macleodr> hi, I'm running 9.10-beta on a macbook. I just did a sw update that installed a new kernel (31-14-generic), but...
[04:25] <macleodr> during the update, the system kicked me out of X and seems to have left the new kernel messed up.
[04:25] <evilaim> can you boot with the old one in grub?
[04:26] <callnett> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295166/
[04:26] <fluvvell> is it possible to upgrade to karmic on a cd via bash shell ?
[04:26] <evilaim> what?
[04:26] <macleodr> it doesn't find the initrd even though that file exists. yes I'm on the old kernel now. I'll check that link, thx
[04:26] <evilaim> fluvvell, I don't understand?
[04:26] <bazhang> callnett, choose Y
[04:27] <fluvvell> evilaim: upgrade a jaunty machine to karmic using the cd, via the command line not desktop
[04:27] <Hammer89> Howdy. I recently upgraded to ubuntu 9.10b... initially I had no issues, but after an update sound stopped working. It looks like my computer still recognizes my sound card, but when I go to change the volume it shows no hardware, and only a "dummy output"
[04:27] <fluvvell> is it possible?
[04:28] <evilaim> one tick
[04:28] <evilaim> yea
[04:28] <bazhang> fluvvell, using the alternate cd
[04:28] <evilaim> I'm getting him a walk through
[04:28] <fluvvell> bazhang, yeah i suspected that. Thanks.
[04:28] <callnett> bazhang: ok
[04:28] <bazhang> its ncurses based (text) so not really cli
[04:29] <evilaim> fluvvell: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9496/wtfyt.jpg
[04:29] <evilaim> shit
[04:29] <evilaim> wrong link sry
[04:29] <macleodr> any tips on getting latest kernel to go (sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a --didn't help).
[04:29] <evilaim> fluvvell: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[04:29] <evilaim> scroll down to "Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD"
[04:31] <fluvvell> evilaim: image ????  but yes i've found that upgrading info page, just wondered if it *required* the alternate cd.
[04:31] <evilaim> yes
[04:31] <fluvvell> and it seems to.
[04:31] <evilaim> macleodr: hey buddy
[04:32] <evilaim> I might have someting for you
[04:32] <macleodr> great...
[04:32] <evilaim> I'm just looking for the link
[04:33] <evilaim> I used to have a ballin' archive of links that I lost:(
[04:33] <evilaim> ok
[04:33] <evilaim> which kernel are you using?
[04:34] <evilaim> the new one?
[04:34] <callnett> bazhang: it's still downloading..... 70 %
[04:34] <macleodr> no, I'm on the 31-12-generic now
[04:34] <macleodr> new one is 31-14-generic
[04:34] <evilaim> theres a freakin' -14 now?
[04:34] <bazhang> callnett, let it finish downloading, and configuring, dont interrupt
[04:34] <evilaim> alrighty...
[04:35] <evilaim> one tick
[04:35] <evilaim> sry, I'm just doing my updates, my pc is lagging
[04:35] <macleodr> np.
[04:39] <evilaim> ok
[04:39] <evilaim> found it
[04:40] <macleodr> yay! :-)
[04:44] <macleodr> I was also wondering if other people have managed to get virt-manager to work... I get stuck at "New", machine name = aaa then can't select - doh, never mind... seems I need an iso on a physical CD -ugh!
[04:44] <macleodr> any luck Mr. Evil?
[04:45] <necroforest> anyone have stability/freezing issues with 9.10?
[04:46] <evilaim> HAHA
[04:46] <evilaim> Shoot
[04:46] <evilaim> macleod
[04:46] <evilaim> my updates just crippled my system...
[04:46] <macleodr> sigh...
[04:46] <evilaim> DON'T DO UPDATES/UPGRADES!
[04:46] <evilaim> it looks like my gdm is froze
[04:47] <evilaim> ok
[04:47] <macleodr> yeah - I got booted out of X.
[04:47] <macleodr> and gdm froze too.
[04:47] <evilaim> it's sudo apt-get --reinstall <kernelpackage>
[04:47] <macleodr> you going to fix a bug report?
[04:47] <evilaim> let me mess with mine
[04:47] <evilaim> ya
[04:47] <evilaim> I'm going to fix this...
[04:47] <evilaim> haha
[04:48] <evilaim> brb
[04:48] <macleodr> good luck.
[04:48] <evilaim> lets see if I can even fix my own issue
[04:48] <evilaim> I might try and do a xorg-server reconfig...
[04:50] <macleodr> doing the sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic... and rebooting in 3, 2 1... brb
[04:52] <bazhang> callnett, finished downloading and configuring?
[04:55] <callnett> bazhang: yes
[04:56] <callnett> bazhang: right now
[04:56] <bazhang> callnett, so you can install normally and upgrade from within the package management system fine
[04:56] <callnett> i try now
[04:57] <bazhang> callnett, you just did
[04:58] <bazhang> callnett, now you wish to install skype and opera?
[04:59] <bazhang> callnett, for flash, you need to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[05:01] <evilaim> Holy crap
[05:01] <macleodr> and I'm back in the latest kernel -14 - thanks evilaim.
[05:02] <macleodr> well?
[05:02] <evilaim> what?
[05:02] <evilaim> you got to -14?
[05:02] <macleodr> yes.
[05:02] <macleodr> u?
[05:02] <evilaim> with --reinstall?
[05:02] <evilaim> I was trying to trouble shoot the original
[05:02] <evilaim> got my ass busted down
[05:02] <macleodr> yes. the booted into server by mistake, then single user mode, the gui.
[05:03] <macleodr> ^the^then
[05:03] <evilaim> haha
[05:03] <evilaim> ok
[05:03] <evilaim> well, I guess I should try it then;)
[05:03] <macleodr> lol
[05:03] <evilaim> ugh
[05:04] <callnett> bazhang: r u still here?
[05:05] <callnett> bazhang: i love u , i love ubuntu
[05:06] <macleodr> love is a strong word for an OS....
[05:07] <callnett> it is
[05:07] <texnofobix> it is pretty cool
[05:07] <callnett> but, he can online fix mi computer
[05:07] <callnett> yehaaaa
[05:07] <texnofobix> i had to figure out how to use rfkill today
[05:08] <evilaim> OK
[05:08] <macleodr> texnofobix - what for?
[05:08] <evilaim> now I'm a lil confused
[05:09] <macleodr> why? (and is a bug report a good idea?)
[05:09] <texnofobix> macleodr: i had an issue with my eee pc and bt
[05:09] <texnofobix> my bluetooth wouldnt turn on
[05:10] <evilaim> MAN this is weird...
[05:10] <texnofobix> and i noticed it was fine in windows. I googled around and found out about rfkill. I then noticed that my bluetooth was turned off (soft)
[05:12] <evilaim> macleod, my advise helped you
[05:12] <macleodr> could be interestinng but I don't care about bt yet...
[05:12] <evilaim> and doesn't help me
[05:12] <evilaim> that's weird eh
[05:12] <macleodr> and it didn't work for you?
[05:12] <macleodr> (slow)
[05:13] <evilaim> hold on
[05:13] <macleodr> I think I also did sudo apt-get --reconfigure -a in the old kernel....
[05:14] <evilaim> OOOOH!
[05:14] <evilaim> Mine got gimped cause of my mods
[05:14] <evilaim> haha
[05:14] <evilaim> It doesn't like my modifications
[05:14] <evilaim> ok brb
[05:14] <macleodr> k, gotta go.
[05:14] <macleodr> night everyone!
[05:15] <macleodr> thanks Mr Evil! :-)
[05:16] <oorah> my screen brightness keeps flickering up and down. anyone else having this problem?
[05:16] <evilaim> ok
[05:16] <evilaim> all good again
[05:16] <oorah> huh?
[05:16] <evilaim> So, when people come in here, we can help:)
[05:16] <evilaim> I did an upgrade to the kernel...
[05:16] <oorah> yep
[05:17] <evilaim> and it completely gimped the crap outta me
[05:17] <oorah> anyone else having the screen brightness flickering problem?
[05:17] <evilaim> not me
[05:17] <evilaim> did you do an upgrade?
[05:17] <oorah> every day
[05:17] <evilaim> ya, this new kernel is causing all kinds of hell
[05:17] <oorah> i have an msi wind
[05:18] <evilaim> another chan I'm in for ubuntu support is having some issues too
[05:18] <oorah> hopefully it will be fixed
[05:19] <oorah> but if not its ok, only takes 12 minutes to install 9.04 again
[05:19] <oorah> i think everyone should use the betas
[05:19] <oorah> that would help with development a lot, especially with reporting bugs
[05:20] <evilaim> Well, I honestly think, if it isn't broken, don't fix it...
[05:20] <evilaim> if you have a system that works really good for you, don't upgrade.
[05:20] <oorah> i say if it ain't broke don't break it
[05:20] <evilaim> just do patches
[05:20] <evilaim> I break my systems all the time
[05:20] <evilaim> but I always fix them
[05:21] <oorah> i get excited about the new releases
[05:21] <oorah> wanna see whats new and improved
[05:21] <evilaim> like that time I tried to do a raid with a SSD and an external
[05:21] <evilaim> that was prolly one of the dumber things I've done
[05:22] <oorah> i did somethin stupid recently
[05:22] <evilaim> the idea behind it was good, but the bad idea was making it raid 0...
[05:22] <oorah> a few days ago i installed windows again just because i wanted to use the regular yahoo messenger, a couple days later i got so fed up with windows i decided its not worth it lol
[05:23] <oorah> whats raid?
[05:23] <evilaim> google?
[05:23] <oorah> the only raids i've done were in villages in iraq
[05:23] <oorah> and some cities
[05:24] <texnofobix> oorah: RAID
[05:25] <oorah> thats how he spelled it
[05:25] <oorah> sometimes i feel like i'm the only one with a particular bug lol
[05:25] <texnofobix> heh
[05:25] <oorah> still got screen brightness flickering problems
[05:26] <texnofobix> on what device
[05:26] <oorah> at startup for a long time after and when i try to adjust it
[05:26] <oorah> msi wind
[05:26] <texnofobix> hrmm
[05:26] <texnofobix> what driver does it use?
[05:26] <texnofobix> intel? ati?
[05:26] <oorah> i'm not sure probably intel
[05:27] <texnofobix> it shoudl tell you with a lspci at a command prompt
[05:27]  * texnofobix has the eee pc
[05:27] <oorah> intel
[05:28] <oorah> mine is msi not eee
[05:28] <texnofobix> yeah
[05:28] <texnofobix> does it flicker during grub?
[05:28] <texnofobix> or is it only in X
[05:28] <oorah> does intel have problems a lot?
[05:28] <coffeej> since updating to karmic beta, i have no sound. "grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec*" returns "No such file or directory"
[05:29] <texnofobix> this is my first intel video card
[05:29] <oorah> it flickers at startup for a long time and everytime i adjust brightness
[05:29] <omac> a couple of days ago there was some hoopla about eee ubuntu utils developer being frustrated.  I checked out his blog and there many words of thanks to his work.
[05:29] <omac> texnofobix:  have you installed the eeeubuntu utils?
[05:30] <oorah> does intel have problems a lot?
[05:32] <texnofobix> well to answer his Q, i did, and they dont work with the newest kernel
[05:32] <oorah> assumint it will eventually
[05:33] <oorah> *assuming
[05:33] <discord> can anybody tell me how i can watch dvds in vlc in 9.10. I already ran the libdvdread4.sh, however vlc says that it cannot read the disk
[05:38] <discord> helo?
[05:38] <evilaim> halo!
[05:38] <kblin> morning folks
[05:38] <discord> hey anybody playback dvd's in 9.10 yet?
[05:39] <coffeej> anyone find a fix for no sound after karmic install?
[05:39] <discord> did you try your headphone jack?
[05:40] <coffeej> the only option given is "Dummy Output"
[05:40] <texnofobix> coffeej: is your audio card in lspci?
[05:41] <coffeej> don't see it.
[05:42] <texnofobix> if its not there, the module is probably not loaded
[05:43] <texnofobix> maybe?
[05:43] <coffeej> hmmmm
[05:43] <texnofobix> what computer model make is it?
[05:43] <coffeej> hp/compaq d220mt
[05:44] <evilaim> eeew
[05:45] <fluvvell> further to my earlier question re: upgrading from cdrom - I don't have a going desktop, want to upgrade from tty1. gksudo won't cut it i'm afraid.
[05:45] <n3wb_sk> With Karmic my laptop does not come back from suspend. [using Kubuntu] Where do I begin to look for cause? It hibernates with no problem.
[05:46] <evilaim> this could be interesting
[05:46] <evilaim> I want a ttf font in my photoshop CS2..
[05:46] <evilaim> haha
[05:47] <evilaim> I have no idea how to do it, LETS RESEARCH!
[05:53] <texnofobix> evilaim: ?
[05:55] <eboyjr> I love the icon theme for Karmic.. it's beautiful. Anyway so can someone explain how xsplash works? I'm curious
[05:55] <evilaim> ya?
[06:10] <eboyjr> I don't want to start an argument, but I would just like a brief description of how Karmic and OS X compare for my friend :) Like the main features that are more prevalent in Karmic vs OS X
[06:10] <bazhang> eboyjr, #ubuntu-offtopic please
[06:10] <jimpop> OSX works.  ;-)
[06:10] <eboyjr> lol okay
[06:10] <eboyjr> but karmic is working great i love it :P
[06:11] <jimpop> it's getting there
[06:11] <jimpop> each day my issues list shrinks
[06:11] <kblin> for certain values of working great, I guess
[06:12] <eboyjr> Well all of you are ubuntu developers probably so you would naturally think it has more problems then it does :P
[06:12] <jimpop> here's my latest one.. usplash is broke on my laptop.  I've tried re-installing, but still no splash before xsplash and gdm kick in
[06:15] <coffeej> my soundcard is showing in lspci, but boot tells me the firmware is unavailable...
[06:15] <eboyjr> Well that's because Ubuntu has to be more general to different types of computers, while OS X only basically runs on one system
[06:16] <eboyjr> Oh I had another question I just remembered: What is the deal with the sound system in Ubuntu? I heard that there were problems because of pulseaudio or something
[06:18] <eboyjr> Alright nevermind i have to go
[06:18] <eboyjr> bye
[06:18] <jimpop> eboyjr, it's better
[06:19]  * jimpop reboots to try again to get usplash to work...
[06:21] <jimpop> hmmm
[06:22] <jimpop> if i specify MODULES=most in initramfs.conf then usplash works
[06:22] <jimpop> but if MODULES=dep then usplash doesn't work
[06:29] <MJEvans> What time are the current builds regenerated? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ lists a time... but I've no idea what zone that's in...
[07:18] <fluvvell> can anyone tell me how to reconfigure graphics for a new graphics card in karmic koala
[07:18] <fluvvell> ?
[07:19] <fluvvell> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing anymore!
[07:26] <jimpop> fluvvell, start with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old"
[07:26] <jimpop> followed by a reboot
[07:27] <jimpop> after that, if you still have problems, let us know about your new vid card.
[07:27] <fluvvell> I think I've struck a bug in karmic, I'm using an ati card and the screen is blank. confirmed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/449631
[07:27] <fluvvell> ooh, nice.
[07:29] <fluvvell> if i could remember how to select a plain jane vga driver...
[07:32] <fluvvell> jimpop: doesn't make any discernable change. Blank screen with working mouse.
[07:33] <jimpop> fluvvell, might have to wait for the bug to get resolved.
[07:46] <Lunis> ok so I need to reinstall grub after an XP reinstall, but when i do the standard grub -> root (hdN,N) -> setup (hdN) it tells me it can't find stage1. I looked and apparently the new grub doesn't in fact have a stage1. so what in the world do I do? o.O
[07:47] <lucas_> hey guys, any ideas why i cant connect to my wifi with kubuntu beta??
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Lunis: Karmic uses grub2, you need to install grub2 on whatever LiveCD you are using to re-install grub
[07:52] <lucas_> Lunis: or just do sudo apt-get install grub && sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install and get reid of the stupid beta grub2
[07:54] <Lunis> Jordan_U: can I reinstall grub from a chrooted enviroment?
[07:54] <Lunis> how in the hell do you use grub2 to reinstall anyway?
[07:55] <Jordan_U> Lunis: grub-install /dev/sda
[08:00] <lucas_> no one knows why i cant connect to my wifi router with wpa on kubuntu beta??
[08:04] <Lunis> Ok so that half worked
[08:04] <Lunis> I'm at a grub2 prompt
[08:04] <Lunis> What do i type to make this boot just once?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if !grub2 has been updated
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> No idea there Lunis  lets see whats in my grub.cfg
[08:05] <Lunis> Thanks :)
[08:05] <lucas_> Lunis: why dont u just install grub 1?
[08:05] <nemo> agh. someone killed the nvidia driver again
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> linux1: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic root=UUID=1e04193e-82d3-4283-989e-5411e0599690 ro   quiet splash
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[08:05] <Lunis> Because i don't need or want to
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[08:05] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Why should he?
[08:05] <nemo> I wonder if it is the same problem as 2 weeks ago
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic root=UUID=1e04193e-82d3-4283-989e-5411e0599690 ro   quiet splash
[08:06] <lucas_> wayy wayy easy to work with grub 1
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> are the 2 main lines.   set root=(hd1,1) is befor those.
[08:06] <Lunis> Ok so looks like 'linux /boot/vmlinuz....'
[08:06] <Lunis> Then an initrd line
[08:07] <Lunis> Then a simple boot
[08:07] <Lunis> What if i don't have a uuid?
[08:07] <lucas_> just type /dev/sdax
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> No idea about that. :)
[08:08] <Jordan_U> Lunis: You can use the standard device name or just get the uuid with "blkid"
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> set the uuid to 0001  :) to make it easier to rember with tune2fs. :P
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> proberly not a good idea.. but did that once ages ago.
[08:09] <Lunis> Blkid doesn't work for a grub shell
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> grub shell is not the 'bash' shell - correct.
[08:09] <Jordan_U> Lunis: ls -l
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> grub2 proberly has a command to find theuuid's but ive no idea what they are
[08:10] <Lunis> Looks like i got it
[08:11] <Lunis> Grub2 is made of win, truly
[08:11] <aprilhare> Lunis: is it worth upgrading or dangerous?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 is supposed to somehow allow booting of iso files.. but ive not seen that done yet.
[08:12] <aprilhare> 1. use firefox to web browse to http://webmineral.com/data/Anorthite.shtml 2) click on the name pronounciation graphic to listen 3) watch firefox crash..
[08:12] <Lunis> Aprilhare: to karmic, you mean?
[08:12] <aprilhare> Lunis: yes
[08:12] <aprilhare> karmic grub2
[08:12] <Lunis> Oh
[08:13] <Lunis> Depends on the person. Bleeding edge makes me moist
[08:13] <aprilhare> actually bleeding edge kernel under jaunty made my webcam work. doesn't work under karmic
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: It can only boot iso's that support it, which makes sense because once grub through loading the kernel, the OS needs to know to look for its files in an iso file in a file system rather than the CDROM drive
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: I think Ubuntu's LiveCD supports it
[08:14]  * aprilhare wishes zeroconf worked with karmic cups
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  yep - reading a guide now...
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> shows how to set up a grub2 + a lot of iso files on a flash drive.. NIFTY trick :)
[08:15] <Lunis> Hmm... Update-grub2 alone didn't fix grub
[08:16] <Jordan_U> Lunis: update-grub just updates the grub.conf ( same as update-grub in grub legacy )
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> this has potential - if all new disrtos start setting up where they are  Grub2/boot iso file compat. :)
[08:17] <Lunis> Ah
[08:17] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: I'm not sure if there is a good guide for it but you can also have grub search for files to load, so you could just add and remove iso's and it would find them at boot
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  not seen that mentioned yet..  but that has potential also
[08:20] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: /window 11
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Going to try that url i posted to make a  flash that can boot several diferent isos for my 'toolbox' :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> 11 channels open? :) gee i just got 2
[08:21] <Jordan_U> :)
[08:22]  * Dr_Willis needs a 32bg flash drive.. :)
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> or more.
[08:23] <Laibsch> I have a couple of connections in Network manager that I cannot edit even as root (sudo nm-connection-editor).  Does anybody have an idea why that could be the case and what I have to do change/delete them?
[08:25] <lucas_> Laibsch: i had the same issue, no idea why is that
[08:25] <Laibsch> lucas_: Still unresolved for you?
[08:25] <lucas_> Laibsch: yeah
[08:25] <Laibsch> OK
[08:25] <Laibsch> thank you for confirming
[08:26] <lucas_> Laibsch: now im fighting with my wifi connection :P
[08:27] <Laibsch> doesn't sound like fun
[08:27] <Laibsch> what problem do you have?
[08:27] <lucas_> it isnt at all
[08:27] <lucas_> well... i have an intel 3945 wifi card and for some reason i cant connect with knetworkmanager
[08:28] <lucas_> i was able to do it with gnome, but had the same problem than u
[08:28] <lucas_> couldnt connect to it manually
[08:29] <Laibsch> You are using KDE?
[08:29] <lucas_> Laibsch: maybe its somethign stupid, did u see if ur user is allowed to connect to the internet?
[08:29] <lucas_> Laibsch: yeah i am
[08:29] <Laibsch> Right-click "enable wireless" ticked?
[08:29] <Laibsch> I can connect
[08:29] <Laibsch> But right connecting to the net involves manual intervention
[08:29] <Laibsch> That was automatic just two weeks ago
[08:30] <Laibsch> bug 432777
[08:30] <lucas_> here happens the oposite
[08:30] <Laibsch> I don't understand
[08:30] <Laibsch> Do you have a tick for "enable wireless" or not?
[08:30] <lucas_> yeah i do
[08:30] <lucas_> the card is enabled
[08:30] <Laibsch> do you see any networks?
[08:31] <Laibsch> left-click
[08:31] <lucas_> i do
[08:31] <Laibsch> OK
[08:31] <lucas_> just cant connect
[08:31] <Laibsch> What happens when you try to connect?
[08:31] <lucas_> it doesnt do it
[08:31] <Laibsch> security-protected network?
[08:31] <Laibsch> Nothing happens?
[08:31] <lucas_> no error messages it just doesnt
[08:31] <Laibsch> Not even that spinning wheel?
[08:31] <lucas_> Laibsch: wpa
[08:31] <Laibsch> that's strange indeed
[08:32] <Laibsch> Anything in syslog?
[08:32] <Laibsch> Open a bug, I'd say
[08:32] <lucas_> ill restart and check again
[08:33] <Laibsch> wait aminute
[08:34] <Laibsch> lucas_: please do "find /etc/NetworkManager/|pastebinit"
[08:34] <Laibsch> and give me the URL
[08:34] <Laibsch> You may have to install pastebinit
[08:40] <aprilhare> so yes my preferences are borked.
[08:40] <aprilhare> just tested it
[08:52] <mortal> is there a torrent client which allows uploading/downloading with many interfaces?
[08:53] <shadeslayer> mortal: its actually up to the n/w manager
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> many interfaces? Huh
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> you mean  you have eth0 eth1 and eth2 all connected to the same router sort of thing?
[08:54] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: he probably means he has wifi and ethernet,both having different speeds
[08:55] <mortal> I mean, I have two links  a wifi and a physical ethernet
[08:56] <mortal> they go through different routes
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> wired would blow away wifi i imagine  in speed.. so its like adding a garden hose + a squirt gun. :)
[08:56] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[08:56] <mortal> actually no, the wifi link I use has 10 times the speed of my dsl line
[08:56] <shadeslayer> mortal: just choose the connection which has more speed....
[08:56] <mortal> in optimal conditions
[08:57] <mortal> but it would be nice to max all out
[08:57] <shadeslayer> mortal: then connect the wifi router to the pc using a ethernet cable
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> I find with torrents its not often about speeds.. but about slow and steady.
[08:57] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: so true
[08:57] <tntc> anyone know how to resize the buttons in metacity without generating a whole new theme? I just want my close/max/min buttons a little bigger for my touchscreen.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> Only time i ever find a torrent thats even CLOSE to maxxing out my  cable modem is Ubuntu Iso images on release day
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> tntc:  i thought they got bigger with bigger fonts.
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: :D
[08:59] <shadeslayer> do the daily builds actually work?
[08:59] <shadeslayer> the daily build CD iso's i mean
[08:59] <tntc> Dr_Willis: Wow! It appears they do... Is there any way to do it without my window titles looking hulked out though?
[09:00] <lucas_> ok i could connect to my wifi but had to unhide the network...
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> try the different font settings i guess.
[09:00] <lucas_> now i see i cant use kpackage manager....
[09:00] <shadeslayer> lucas_: its kpackagekit
[09:00] <lucas_> ok whatever
[09:00] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,type kpackagekit in a konsole
[09:01] <lucas_> i can see packages and all but if i aply changes, it doesnt do anything
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: oh that... thats a bug
[09:01] <lucas_> confirmed bug?
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: kpackage kit actually doensnt install anything right now :_
[09:01] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yep
[09:01] <shadeslayer> =)
[09:01] <lucas_> hahaha
[09:02] <tntc> Dr_Willis: Meh, I guess just going from BOLD to regular did the trick :)  Thanks again. I'll have to remember that.
[09:02] <lucas_> ok
[09:02] <lucas_> ill use console then
[09:02] <tntc> and thus, windows breathed its last on this netbook.
[09:03] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,i know,hilarious
[09:03] <shadeslayer> lucas_: try installing synaptic
[09:03] <lucas_> man im on kde and want to use qt apps! haha no sence installing kde for using gnome apps
[09:04] <lucas_> other thing is i dont understand why in the world they switch to grub2
[09:04] <lucas_> its still beta, its a really pain to work with it
[09:06] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yeah,that too.... grub2 is basically a improvement over grub1 in many ways (dont ask what the improvements are_
[09:07] <lucas_> i love linus torvals thought, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE
[09:08] <shadeslayer> lucas_: whats so difficult?
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> grub2 can boot iso files if the disrto is set up properly : :)
[09:08] <lucas_> im having really hard time configuring all this, imagine someone who doesnt knwo a thing about console etc...
[09:09] <Jordan_U> lucas_: It's only 1.97 that's in beta, they have had stable releases of grub2 and according to the developers it's more stable and mature than grub legacy
[09:09] <shadeslayer> lucas_: yes,the first step is always difficult
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> grub2 also is more hardware-compatiable with the stuff out and comming out.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> grub2 also allow for easier 'updateing' to new hardware/filesystems/other things.
[09:09] <Jordan_U> lucas_: What are you trying to configure?
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> many of the reasons we all switched from LILO to grub years ago.
[09:10] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: grub1 cant boot iso's ?
[09:10] <what> so....
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  No it cant.
[09:10] <what> Whats the package running when the livecd does lvm management?
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> grub2 can boot SOME isos IF the disrto is set up properly
[09:10] <what> I would like this in my normal OS
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB
[09:10] <lucas_> my laptop.. first wifi didnt work... then kpackage didnt work, then grub gui for grub2 doesnt exist and im installing a new kernel a lot of configuration files for grub2... and so on
[09:11] <what> lol
[09:11] <lucas_> keep it really really simple
[09:11] <lucas_> thats the key
[09:11] <lucas_> not all people are geeks
[09:12] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: your a life saver....
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  for what. :)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> That url i posted is a little out of date.. some of the url's are wrong due to version changes in the isos
[09:12] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Install kernel, if it's a package an entry is added automatically and if you are compiling one yourself you run "update-grub", just like grub legacy. What do these non geeks need to do with boot any boot loader configuration files?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i was thinking of downlading a RC ISO,im reinstalling Kubuntu 9.10,im on suse right now,i wanted to make a live USB,but now i can directly use the alpha 5 iso i have
[09:13] <lucas_> yeah right explain that to a noob
[09:13] <Jordan_U> lucas_: Explain what? What noob even needs to know grub exists?
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  or use unetbootin. :)
[09:13] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: doesnt work
[09:14] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: it never does....
[09:14] <lucas_> Jordan_U: ur right
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  odd.. its pretty much always worked for me.
[09:16] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hmm... do you do anything after unetbootin is finished?
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  normally no.
[09:16] <shadeslayer> ok..
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  you can rename the ubuntu isolinux.cfg to be syslinux.cfg to get the default ubuntu menu items if you want
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> some box's i had to enable the LBA flag on the partition also.
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> I got one machine that wont boot ANY usb flash drive i try.. but it has bios/menu items to boot the things..
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> but its an old machine
[09:20] <what> O WOW -
[09:20] <what> Now that i'm used to this just a little bit, working with lvm's really is nice!
[09:21] <shadeslayer> bbl
[09:21] <what> It was attempting the full disk encrypted lvm encrypted /home setup that got me pumpin on it.
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> Stuff like that i tend to avoide. :)
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> had to many disasters in the past with that fancy-new-gizmos  like lvm and raid.
[09:22] <what> Dr_Willis: eventually the parinoia sets in.
[09:22] <what> lvm isnt new
[09:22] <what> But i never worked with it much personally other than doing a few installs. Really a perfect setup for multibooting.
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> w
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> its quiet.... tooo quiet..
[09:53] <snkcld> sup
[09:57] <slimjim> Hello all, I'm looking for a way to disable graphical booting on Karmic, any clues?
[10:00] <chris|> slimjim, remove "quiet splash" from the linux line in your grub.cfg
[10:01] <slimjim> chris|: thanks
[10:02] <slimjim> will this give me text booting or just the grub text menu?
[10:06] <slimjim> chris|: where do I find the grub.cfg file?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:08] <Dr_Willis>  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> but DONT edit that file
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> edit the proper config files and rerun update-grub
[10:08] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: so how do I get rid of the graphical boot?
[10:09] <slimjim> ok so which is the proper config file to edit?
[10:10] <slimjim> why is it so hard to do, in Jaunty I just used the startup-manager and deleted the usplash theme, but it won't let me do it on Karmic, thats a serious bug.
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  what do you mean by graphical?>
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:11] <iamfossy> hi all , anyone has problems with avidemux 2.5.1 and pulse ?
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> grub boots to -> usplash, to xsplash to gdm......
[10:12] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: I mean i want to see all the daemons starting up ....OK etc
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> remove the 'quiet' option in /etc/default/grub i think
[10:12] <slimjim> no boot image at all
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> and use the nosplash option perhaps.
[10:12] <slimjim> i want ONLY text at booting
[10:12] <Dr_Willis>  and remove xsplash
[10:12] <slimjim> how? please?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> remove the 'quiet' option in /etc/default/grub i think
[10:13] <iamfossy> removing quite and splash helps
[10:13] <iamfossy> you have to grub.conf
[10:13] <joaopinto> startup-manager needs to be updated to grub2
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> you dont edit grub.conf directly
[10:13] <iamfossy> thats the way , you've to edit grub.conf from nano giving it RW permissions
[10:14] <iamfossy> thats one of the way
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> thats the worse way.
[10:14] <iamfossy> :) i know , but it has come in handy for me
[10:14] <joaopinto> that is the wrong way
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> thats th windows way
[10:14] <slimjim> there's no /etc/default/grub at all
[10:15] <iamfossy> its in /etc/init.d/grub
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:15] <joaopinto> hum, something happened to grub on the last update
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> ls -l /etc/default/grub
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 796 2009-10-11 03:08 /etc/default/grub
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> there was a grub update i saw that.. havent rebooted yet.
[10:16] <slimjim> oh me neither
[10:16] <iamfossy> it worked fine for me
[10:16] <joaopinto> I don't have /etc/default/grub either
[10:16] <iamfossy> I don't have /etc/default/grub either
[10:16] <joaopinto> after the upgrade
[10:16] <iamfossy> yup i even rebooted , its all fine
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> did you do a clean install?  or upgrade?
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> weird...
[10:17] <joaopinto> i have a clean install, is the upgrade from yesterday
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> i just update/graded 10 min ago and saw the grub updates
[10:17] <iamfossy> guys , problem with avidemux any fixes : trouble initializing audio
[10:18] <iamfossy> i want to set audio output to pulse but theres no such thing in edit>preferences>plugins
[10:18] <iamfossy> version = 2.5.1
[10:18] <slimjim> on etc/init.d/grub-common
[10:19] <slimjim> but doesnt seem like there's anything to edit there in that regard
[10:19] <iamfossy> @slimjim what are you trying to find
[10:19] <joaopinto> he is trying to find the grub2 options file, which is gone with the latest update
[10:19] <slimjim> iamfossy: trying to disable graphical booting and getting ONLY text while booting
[10:20] <iamfossy> all config scripts that generate grub.conf present here /etc/grub.d/
[10:21] <joaopinto> iamfossy, right, but that is not where the custom config options are expected to be
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> and in /etc/default/grub
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> let me reboot aand see if mine vanishes...
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> brb
[10:22] <slimjim> i didnt reboot and its still gone
[10:22] <slimjim> i'll reboot see if it reappears, heh.
[10:22] <iamfossy> guys plz help me with avidemux
[10:24] <rsk> iamfossy: what's the bug?
[10:24] <iamfossy> trouble initializing audio
[10:24] <rsk> pastebin complete output
[10:24] <iamfossy> ok
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> I still have a /etc/default/grub here
[10:26] <iamfossy> @rsk no crash as such but in terminal it shows NULL AUDIO DEVICE , i can open videos but no sound come through it
[10:27]  * Dr_Willis installs avidemux
[10:27] <iamfossy> @ DR Willis , what installs ?
[10:28] <slimjim> Still no /etc/default/grub after reboot.
[10:28] <gurut> are there still boot issues in the updates or are they resolved after the FinalFreeze?
[10:29] <joaopinto> erm, wait, i do have a /etc/default/grub
[10:29] <joaopinto> gurut, what do you mean by boot issues ?
[10:29] <joaopinto> there is no relation between FinalFreeze and "boot issues"
[10:29] <gurut> I heard there were heavy development on the bootupprocess earlier this month
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> [Alsa] Using device :dmix
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> [Alsa]Error setting format.
[10:30] <gurut> Has that been finished, or laid to rest yet?
[10:30] <joaopinto> there was some development, but never got an unbootable system lately
[10:30] <gurut> ok, sounds good thank you
[10:30] <iamfossy> i'm loving karmic
[10:30] <gurut> trying to install and update to current from beta on my VB atm
[10:30] <joaopinto> slimjim, probably you dont have grub2 installed
[10:30] <iamfossy> its  a dream OS
[10:31] <rsk> you dream about it being less crappy? :p
[10:31] <joaopinto> lol
[10:31] <iamfossy> :) its still under development , you cant blame it
[10:31] <gurut> I love the new bootup, lets just hope that all the terminal outputs are killed when the final release is out
[10:32] <gurut> If it is, the awe will be widespread :)
[10:32] <iamfossy> i hate to install nvidia drivers on every kernel upgrade
[10:32] <joaopinto> there is no terminal output at the moment, but how does that make the system better ?
[10:32] <slimjim> iamfossy: two major issues still not solved in Karmic are the one of the slow USB transfer rates, and the iwl3945 driver bandwidth limited issue.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> actually i see no more terminal messages any more.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> used to see a few.. they are all gnone now.
[10:33] <gurut> it does not, bit its easier to convince windows lover when the screen dont scroll with bootuptexts
[10:33] <iamfossy> even i do not see any terminal msgs , anyone know the kernel thats on freeze
[10:33] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, check CTRL-ALT-F8 :P
[10:33] <slimjim> joapinto: thanks
[10:33] <joaopinto> gurut, like windows users care about the boot process :)
[10:33] <joaopinto> if
[10:33] <gurut> Yes they do
[10:34] <gurut> its like the first chapter of a book
[10:34] <gurut> it has to be really good or the reader will put the book down
[10:34] <rsk> haha
[10:34] <iamfossy> @gurut naaa
[10:34] <rsk> how do you explain windows 90% marketshare then?
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> MS cared.. or else they wouldent of invent4d that silly feature where it asks touse your flash drive for a 'cache to speed up boot up'
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:34] <joaopinto> oh, so looking at the BIOS messages sploits everything
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> rsk:  mass insanity.
[10:34] <joaopinto> because actually on some systems the boot process takes as much as the bios init
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> it does take about as long for the bios to init.. as it does to boot to grub here.
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> err bootto GDM. :)
[10:35] <rsk> gurut: do you think a user went, oh this is my new pc i bought, let's boot it up. "oh this isn't to nice, maybe i should look for an alternative OS"
[10:35] <joaopinto> lol
[10:35] <rsk> ever, in history
[10:35] <iamfossy> chrome OS is coming up with a complete new writeup of code and concept
[10:36] <joaopinto> users don't care how it boots, they care how they use them
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I will belive it when i see it.
[10:36] <iamfossy> everything matters for an OS
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> given how well trained users are to put up wth 'crud' in other os's.... they put up with a lot of stuff. :)
[10:36] <joaopinto> well, they care about boot time, because that's lost time
[10:37] <iamfossy> boot time is shower time for some users :P
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> vs 'having to reboot to install a joystick driver time'
[10:37] <joaopinto> iamfossy, right, 0,0000000001%
[10:37] <iamfossy> :)
[10:38] <rsk> they removed ubuntu cola from my store nearby
[10:38] <rsk> :(
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> rsk:  file a bug report.
[10:38] <rsk> actually
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:38] <rsk> they have a mailbox for suggestions
[10:39] <iamfossy> i reported my USB issue right
[10:39] <rsk> "hello dear store, i've been using you as my primry source of nutrition for a while and everything works great, except that you removed the Ubuntu cola from the shelfs, so please re-commit that fix"
[10:39] <iamfossy> it was solved
[10:40] <vivid> anyone know if i can remove or disable pulseaudio so i can get only alsa, which works perfectly for me?
[10:41] <joaopinto> vivid, which issues do you have with pulseaudio ?
[10:42] <vivid> the same issues ive always had, my mic doesnt work, it lags when i run wine, and causes far more problems for me than provides features i use
[10:42] <joaopinto> have you filed bug reports about those issues ?
[10:43] <vivid> yup, they tell me to check my configuration, when i ask what config files i should be looking at, they dont respond
[10:43] <joaopinto> ok
[10:43] <vivid> they say, check alsamixer, when i use alsamixer and unmute my mic playback, it works, but pulse doesnt pick it up, never has
[10:44] <joaopinto> have you tried it on karmic, there have been some major improvements to PA on karmic
[10:44] <joaopinto> ?
[10:44] <vivid> this is karmic
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:44] <joaopinto> have you set the input device on the sound settings ?
[10:44] <vivid> i can get it to work by changing the audio device profile
[10:45] <vivid> doesnt matter what i change it to, just changing it works
[10:45] <joaopinto> my mic was not working because the wrong device was set
[10:45] <vivid> when i close the app that uses the mic and re open it, i have to do this again
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> theres the answer.. stop closeing it!
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:45] <joaopinto> you mean, everytime you close the app, it changes the PA input device ?
[10:46] <vivid> no, when i close the app and start it up again, i have to go into audio prefs and change the profile to get pulse to pick it up
[10:46] <joaopinto> which app are you refering to, it can be a bug with the app with PA, and not about PA per si
[10:46] <vivid> any app that i want to use my mic with
[10:46] <slimjim> After installing Grub2 and editting /etc/default/grub (uncommenting the console booting option as it says) I'm still getting the splash image at boot. Please, how to I ged rid of this image???
[10:47] <vivid> steam apps, VOIP apps
[10:47] <joaopinto> slimjim, did you run update-grub ?
[10:47] <slimjim> joapinto: no?
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> You HAVE to rerun update-grub after altering configs
[10:47] <joaopinto> vivid, any native app ?
[10:47] <vivid> spux
[10:47] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: how do i do that?
[10:47] <vivid> for one
[10:47] <vivid> *anything* that uses the mic
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  just a guess.. but i bet 'sudo update-grub' :)
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[10:48] <joaopinto> touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.con
[10:48] <joaopinto> f ; killall pulseaudio
[10:48] <joaopinto> the gnome mixer will stop working, you will need to use alsamixer
[10:49] <vivid> cant i recompile gnome-mixer without pulseaudio?
[10:49] <tgpraveen> !ubuntu-in
[10:49] <legend2440> can someone recommend a usb flash drive that definitely works with ubuntu. from what i've read in forums the SanDisk Cruzer with U3 can cause problems. any advice?
[10:49] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: thanks, I'll try rebooting again
[10:49] <joaopinto> afaik no, gnome adopted pulseaudio
[10:50] <joaopinto> vivid, pulseaudio is not just about extra features, PA is the future
[10:50]  * shadeslayer is back on kubuntu :)
[10:50] <vivid> joaopinto and ill be glad to use it when it works as good or better than alsa on my hardware
[10:50] <joaopinto> unfortunatelly I don't have the kno-how require to help you diagnozing your sound issues :\
[10:50] <joaopinto> vivid, pulseaudios uses ALSA
[10:51] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: your advice worked....
[10:51] <vivid> i know
[10:52] <joaopinto> vivid, for that, someone with the required skills will need to check the issue, disabling PA will stop being a solution on the long term :P
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> what advice? :)
[10:52]  * Dr_Willis has very short memory
[10:52] <[diablo]> sorry, but must say 9.10 is looking like its certainly going to be the best release ever... well done guys!
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: unetbootin can be used to boot a usb drive
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: and now im back on kubuntu,ive done a complete circle :P
[10:54] <vivid> joaopinto, pretty sure it will continue to be an option as long as pulse uses alsa
[10:54] <joaopinto> vivid, not when the other high level tools get integrated with PA only
[10:54] <joaopinto> like it happened to the gnome mixer
[10:55] <slimjim> OK, so I installed Grub2, I uncommented the console option in /etc/default/grub , I ran sudo update-grub, rebooted, but the image is still there.. Please, is there ANYONE that knows how to rid of this image at booting and get a text booting without ANY images untill I log in the desktop.. is it even possible on Karmic????
[10:55] <vivid> joaopinto when did they integrate pulse into gnome? 2.26? cuz in 2.26 i was able to rebuild gnome-mixer without pulse
[10:55] <shadeslayer> slimjim: ok,first of all what image?
[10:55] <joaopinto> slimjim, do you remove the quiet and splash options ?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> oh the splash
[10:55] <slimjim> joapinto: remove them from where?
[10:56] <joaopinto> vivid, http://live.gnome.org/PulseAudio
[10:56] <joaopinto> slimjim, from the grub options ?
[10:56] <slimjim> joapinto: the grub options where?
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: /etc/default/grub
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: but you can't get rid of the image with the progress bar
[10:57] <Amaranth> slimjim: well, you can if you uninstall xsplash but then you'll just see the Xorg root weave instead, not text
[10:57] <joaopinto> I assumed he was refering to usplash :P
[10:58] <Dillizar> hey does 9.10 comes with preinstalled eagleusb
[10:58] <Dillizar> ??
[10:58] <joaopinto> wha'ts that ?
[10:58] <Dillizar> for usb modem drivers
[10:59] <Amaranth> Dillizar: ubuntu doesn't even have a package called eagleusb
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> The image with the progress bar is XSPLASH you can remove that.
[10:59] <Amaranth> is it a kernel module?
[10:59] <bazhang> !find eagleusb
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> or you can edit the gdm configs to disable it.
[10:59] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: you can but removing it won't get you a longer text boot
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> or just dont start gdm. :)
[10:59] <valgaav> joaopinto:  not everyone use gnome, and in kde pulse will not be the only backend any time in foreseeable future
[10:59] <Amaranth> like I said, you'll just see the root weave instead
[10:59] <slimjim> Amaranth: Why is that?? I thought most people use open source because it's customizable and now I see it isn't?
[10:59] <Amaranth> or a solid brown color or something
[10:59] <Amaranth> slimjim: because X starts before the boot is finished
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> if you want to see all the messages scroll by.. disable gdm i guess..
[11:00] <slimjim> anyway i'd rather get the x boot
[11:00] <Amaranth> so X hides your boot messages
[11:00] <joaopinto> valgaav, right, so people will just change their windows manager because of the sound backend ?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> Not sure why you really need to see all the messages.. unless theres an error
[11:00] <Dillizar> bazhang with cable internet when i put the usb modem works but when i put the dsl modem usb doesnt work i googled it and said i nee eagleusb
[11:00] <slimjim> so can i safely uninstall xsplash?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> alt-cttrl-f8 has most of my boot messages on it
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  i have removed it with no problems
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> not that you gain a lot
[11:00] <Amaranth> but, again, you'll get something worse than a splash screen if you remove it
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> given how Ugly that splash screen is....
[11:01] <slimjim> that's just so wrong
[11:01]  * shadeslayer wonders if kubuntu will get xsplash
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> i dident find it being gone  -  made anything uglier. :)
[11:01] <joaopinto> slimjim, just for curiositoy, what is your problem with the graphical boot ?
[11:01] <Amaranth> slimjim: it's wrong that we start X as soon as we can?
[11:01] <slimjim> how come in jaunty it didn't have that, it was onlt text....??
[11:01] <valgaav> joaopinto:  they change it becuase of mono, so why not becuase of pulse ? it depends on people view really
[11:01]  * Dr_Willis set his grub backgfound, and xsplashm and  gdm  user desktop wallpapers tobe the same nice neutral blue color.
[11:02] <slimjim> joapinto: its so ugly my mind is exploding, sorry for being so blunt.
[11:02] <Dillizar> when will the rc be ready?
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> that brown dithered wallpaper is indeede very nasty
[11:02] <joaopinto> valgaav, uh ? someone drops gnome because of mono ? I am not refering to gangs, those change anything because of something :)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Dillizar: 22nd
[11:02] <joaopinto> slimjim, just override the xsplash image
[11:03] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: it's not dithered unless you use 16-bit color for some reason
[11:03] <joaopinto> slimjim, or presse CTRL-ATL-F8 during boot :P
[11:03] <slimjim> joapinto: how?
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> /usr/share/images/xsplash
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth:   using the nvidia drivers here.. and they look nasty.. actually it may also be due to it streatching the wallpaper across 2 monitors.
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> that makes the banding look even worse
[11:03] <slimjim> Dr_Willis: I cannot remove xsplash without removing Ubuntu-Desktop...
[11:04] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: ah yeah, that is a known issue
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> I dont see the point of the fancy background - a nice solid brown/blue/green would be fine
[11:04] <Amaranth> slimjim: you don't need to have ubuntu-desktop installed
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> slimjim:  so? :)
[11:04] <joaopinto> slimjim, ubuntu-destop is just a meta package
[11:04] <slimjim> oh ok
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> The way xsplash/gdm picks what image from  /usr/share/images/xsplash   seems.. rather.. confused.
[11:05] <joaopinto> what is throbber_xtra_large.png ?
[11:05] <Amaranth> that reminds me, I went through my other Ubuntu install and removed every single package I don't need that doesn't also remove ubuntu-* packages
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> i put names/res#s on each image so i could see what ones it picks.. and xsplash used one.. gdm used a different one.. changed back when xsplash  came back up...
[11:05] <Amaranth> was fun :)
[11:05] <G_A_C> has anyone else lost alt-tab functionality in Gnome recently?
[11:05] <joaopinto> G_A_C, not me
[11:05] <G_A_C> just this morning I've found it wasn't working, and it was unbound in the gnome keyboard shortcuts applet
[11:06] <G_A_C> I was playing in the shortcuts applet recently to try and get a couple of my toshiba hotkeys working but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have unbound alt-tab :)
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> it works here G_A_C
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> G_A_C:  try with a newly made user as a test
[11:08] <shadeslayer> oh btw guys,happy diwali from all of us in india :D
[11:09] <G_A_C> Dr_Willis: easily fixed, I've just rebound it
[11:09] <G_A_C> just seemed odd, wondered whether I'd done it, or a system update
[11:09] <G_A_C> guess it must have been me after all if no one else has experienced it :D
[11:09] <G_A_C> I should be more careful playing around in there, apparently...
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> 'dont touch that button!'
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: the big one right here on this panel?
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> Nooo Not that button!
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> The Shiny Jolly BUtton!
[11:16] <shadeslayer> oh you meant the big red one over there
[11:16]  * shadeslayer pushes big red button
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> USB Panic Button
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> http://www.latestbuy.com/usb-panic-button.html?affid=238782593&utm_source=prodFeed6&utm_medium=xml&utm_campaign=prodFeed_froogle
[11:17] <shadeslayer> poof.... : In other news the MS office at redmond was nuked
[11:19] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hahahaha
[11:19] <shadeslayer> pity it wont work with ubuntu...
[11:20] <leaf-sheep> To those who never used a cronjob before, I'm trying to obtain a "Select best editor" ASCII ART.  Will somebody be kind enough to run "crontab -e" and copy/paste the ASCII for the script I'm working on?
[11:20] <newuser> guys is there a way to make my swap partition larger?This is what i do http://imagebin.ca/img/7_Iz6hN.png           is there way to merge the two unallocated spaces into one partition and then to format it as a swap?I can not find the way how to merge them.
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  write a driver. :)
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> shouldent be too hard.
[11:21] <shadeslayer> newuser: if the 2 partitions are side by side,then yes
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. heres a 4gb flash drive thats also an insence burner....
[11:21] <shadeslayer> they can be merger
[11:21] <newuser> no they are not
[11:21] <shadeslayer> newuser: then it cant be done,sorry
[11:21] <newuser> really?
[11:21] <G_A_C> newuser: the Gparted live cd should be able to help you....
[11:22] <G_A_C> delete one swap partition, move the Linux partition into the space, and then enlarge your existing swap into the free space
[11:22] <shadeslayer> yeah that can be done,but theres no simple way
[11:22] <newuser> I can not move the linux partition because it is larger than the swap
[11:22] <G_A_C> be warned that some of your partition identifiers might change though so might need to edit fstab/grub.conf
[11:23] <G_A_C> actually, ignore that, ubuntu uses UUIDs in grub/fstab so it should be fine
[11:23] <void^_> newuser: some of that unallocated space is in an extended partition. you'll have to re-create the extended partition to either include all or none of that space. no idea if gparted can do that.
[11:23] <G_A_C> I think gparted can resize extended partitions as long as there's space to stretch it into
[11:24] <newuser> ok I'll try that using the gparted in ubuntu live cd
[11:24] <piggz> lo....just installed the beta on an acer aspire one....mostly works great, apart from sleep/resume ......... it sleeps, but resume just gives  a black screen
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> If you need more swap. you can always add a swap file...
[11:25] <newuser> so do i have to delete the extendet partition in order to make it larger?This will destroy the linux installation within it
[11:27] <G_A_C> newuser: what I'd do in that situation is; resize the extended partition to the left into the free space, then move your Linux partition to the left of the extended partition, then resize swap to what you want
[11:27] <G_A_C> obviously you don't need all that 23gb for swap, so I'd also extend the linux partition while I had gparted open, but leave some for the swap
[11:28] <newuser> the 23gb is for shared partition.I can not touch that
[11:29] <vivid> joaopinto, i was able to get it working by installing a different sound card, clearly pulseaudio has issues with the previous one
[11:29] <newuser> I moved some free space within the extended partition.I thought that that free space will automatically be merged into one when I delete the swap partition.That did not happen
[11:30] <joaopinto> virtuald, try chatting with dtchen, he should be able debugging your sound issue, when he has some time :P
[11:30] <newuser> is gparted live cd able to resize partitions that are not next to each other?
[11:31] <newuser> or gparted live cd is the same thing I have in ubuntu live cd
[11:31] <vivid> now the only issue is getting sound with other apps while using wine : /
[11:32] <virtuald> I guess you mean vivid, joaopinto.
[11:32] <joaopinto> ops, yes, vivid
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> at least i finally got rid of the sound popping for my sound card.
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> hello
[11:41] <rsk> hello
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> just tried to upgrade to ext4 with
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> tune2fs -j /dev/DEV
[11:41] <Lord-Readman> sorry... with tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/DEV
[11:42] <newuser> if I get mount point does not exist what can I do?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> You did use the actual devicename instead of 'DEV' ?
[11:42]  * Dr_Willis has to ask..
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> nope
[11:42]  * Dr_Willis hit the nail on the head.
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> how can I tell the device name>
[11:42] <Lord-Readman> ?*
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> sudo fdisk -l and look i guess.
[11:42] <rsk> right that command didn't do anything
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> upgrading to ext4 is not woth the hassle i hear. You dont gain much from it.
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> Now if you do a REiNSTANL definatly tell the install to use ext4
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> !info nawm
[11:43] <Lord-Readman> yes the how to said about a fresh install would office higher performance
[11:44] <newuser> is it possible to mount the usb if I use the same usb as a live usb
[11:45] <Lord-Readman> sda1 is HPFS/NTFS, sda2 is Extended, sda5 is Linux and sda6 is the swap
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> the live usb - should be mountable yes.
[11:45] <Lord-Readman> so sda2 is the one to run the command on?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  your linux is 'sda5' as you said..
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> sda2 is extended.. it holding the other 2 partitions
[11:46] <Lord-Readman> ah I took extended as ext3
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> Primary vs Extended partitiobns.
[11:46] <Lord-Readman> Thank you Dr_Willis , we all have to start somewhere, unfortunatly its the bottom for me
[11:46] <newuser> mount /dev/sbd/ /tmp/usb/ gives error mount point does not exist
[11:46] <shadeslayer> newuser: mkdir /temp/usb
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  well the MOUNTPOINT has to exist befor you mount to it.
[11:47] <newuser> ok
[11:47] <shadeslayer> newuser: then try
[11:47] <vivid> another question, is it possible to decrease the loading time of grub2?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis>  and your /dev/sbd is proberly wrong also.  sdb1  perhaps
[11:47] <shadeslayer> vivid: dont think se
[11:47] <shadeslayer> *so
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> grub has timeouts.. but ive seen a few systems that take grub  a bit longer to scan the system/disks. not sure why
[11:47] <newuser> mount: /dev/sdb already mounted or /tmp/usb/ busy
[11:48] <newuser> maybe with / at the end
[11:48] <vivid> shadeslayer, takes a little while for you too?
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  are you sre you want /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1 ?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> btw is it possible to find the best server for repos via command line
[11:48] <shadeslayer> vivid: nope
[11:48] <Lord-Readman> ok i ran the command and it said to run e2fsck, i did, and it says its mounted, do you want to continue on the mounted fs
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  thats proberly not a good idea to do it to a mounted filesystem
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  i would boot a live cd and do it from there.
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> Lord-Readman:  or not do it at all..
[11:49] <newuser> not very sure what this means http://pastebay.com/61760 .I know the size of the usb it is 999mb
[11:50] <Lord-Readman> thanks
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  as i said.. its 'sdb1' not 'sdb'
[11:50] <newuser> ok
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  sudo mkdir /tmp/TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> cd TheDrive
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> ls
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:50] <newuser> do I have to type /bla/bla/ or /bla/bla ?
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> oops  cd /tmp/TheDrive
[11:51] <shadeslayer> newuser: the second one
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> no need for / on the end that ive ever noticed
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> Tryit and see?
[11:51] <newuser> ok 10x
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> flash drive automounting - is still goofed up it seems for many people
[11:53]  * leaf-sheep automounts Dr_Willis
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> You SICK little monkey!
[11:53] <newuser> new eror http://pastebay.com/61761
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> I was saveing myself for  my weding night!
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  it might be just easier if you rebooted and tried again. :)
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> then try to undo all your other mounting commands.
[11:54] <newuser> so it is already mounted
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> it says its on /cdrom
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> look there and see
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> No idea how it got TO /cdrom
[12:03] <newuser> I can not reboot because  I need to save error from aprted.If i reboot without saving it it is lost
[12:03] <newuser> if something is not mounted will I be able to do ls on it?
[12:03] <newuser> I can list directories in /cdrom
[12:03] <newuser> I'm saving it there.i hope it will stay there
[12:03] <newuser> well I can not save it cp: cannot create regular file `/cdrom/gparted_details.htm': Read-only file system
[12:03] <newuser> my usb is not read only
[12:03] <newuser> maybe the system thinks that my usb is a cdrom.Maybe this is the problem
[12:03] <newuser> I gave up on it
[12:03] <newuser> network manger just died on the live session
[12:06] <gnomefreak> newuser: does cp -r help at all?
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> go to /cdrom and try it as root
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> cd /cdrom
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> sudo touch If_This_Works_I_can_write_as_Root
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> depending on how it mounted.. its very likely its permissions dont llet the user access it fully
[12:11] <newuser> I am root
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> check the output of the 'mount' command and see how its mounted
[12:12] <penguin42> If that's a cdrom why would you expect to be able to write to it?
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> its just mounted to /cdrom for some silly reason
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> its a flash drive
[12:13] <newuser> it is not a cdrom
[12:13] <penguin42> oh right :-)
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> Unless it has U3 feature  on it - then it will show up as 3 devices
[12:13] <leaf-sheep> Wouldn't it be easier to.. email?
[12:13] <newuser> clear
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> oops 2 devices
[12:13]  * Dr_Willis dosent even know what the origianl problem is/was/
[12:14] <leaf-sheep> How about pastebinit? Write down the tinyurl address or something like that.
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> theres always 'ubuntone' :) 2gb of space
[12:15] <leaf-sheep> Surrender to the king of clouds?  (From my personal EXP) --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekick_data_loss_2009
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> so ..... what are you trying to do exactly newuser ?
[12:17] <newuser> I want to copy file to the same usb I'm running the live session from
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> so  the following command    'sudo touch /cdrom/testfile'   works or not?
[12:18] <newuser> touch: cannot touch `/cdrom/testfile': Read-only file system
[12:19] <leaf-sheep> newuser: Not a persistent USB? I'm guessing.
[12:19] <newuser> yes
[12:19] <newuser>  it is not a persistent one
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> persistant or not wouldent matter
[12:20]  * Dr_Willis boots his ubuntu flash drive in the spare laptop
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> You could just boot your slac cd and copy the files over to the flash drive that way. :) that maybe quicker.
[12:21] <newuser> if the usb is mounted to the cdrom where the slax cd is mounted then?
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> but im pretty sure i was able to access files/delete/make things on my ubuntu-live-flash usb befor
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> the whole mountinglayout of that thing is goofy. ive noidea how it came tobe on /cdrom
[12:21] <newuser> once I leave the session the file is gone.ANyway I'll just email it.
[12:22] <shadeslayer> newuser: you have /dev/cdrom0,/dev/cdrom1,2,3....
[12:22] <shadeslayer> so you can have multiple mount points
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> just now on my live-flash boot i was aboe to   make a file on /cdrom as root via sudi
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> sudo
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> the / of the usb drive gets mounted to /cdrom by default it seems.
[12:23] <newuser> I listing the /dev directory.i se only one cdrom
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> I would have to suggest just rebooting and trying it  again.
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> all i did was boot up..  'sudo -s' 'cd /cdrom'   'cp /whatever/whever /cdrom' and it worked
[12:24] <newuser> how did you make your live usb?I used unetbooin under winwods
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> I ten dto use unetbootin or theusb-creator tool in ubuntu
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> i forget howi made this one
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> it really shouldent matter
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> I proberly used the usb-creator tool in ubuntu for this one. It seems tohave a persistant save file
[12:26] <leaf-sheep> Dr_Willis: Ah-ha! You're using a persistent save file! We're not comparing the same thing now, are we? :)
[12:27] <newuser> it looks so :)
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> persistant save files dont matter in the access of the hard drive
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> flash drive
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> im not even sure this thing has a persistant save or not. its just my install flash drive
[12:29] <gnomefreak> for some reason formatting a flash drive doesnt allow you to select ext4
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> my /dev/sda1 is mounted to /cdrom same as his
[12:31] <leaf-sheep> So in the conclusion, sending emails to yourself really get things done more fast.
[12:32]  * leaf-sheep jot that one in his tiny notebook.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> or not goofing thingsup by grying a dozen + mount command variantsions
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> works much better
[12:32] <leaf-sheep> Definitely. ;3
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> converting a unetbootin 'setup' to a persistant save -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=811397
[12:33]  * shadeslayer <3 unetbootin
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> i jsut wish unetbootin was smarter about ubuntu and dident do such odd stuff with the syslinux configs
[12:33] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> and had a check box for a persistant save file creation
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> You can move the ubuntu isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg to get back a more 'normal' menu
[12:34] <shadeslayer> i wish it added a option to check itself
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> be really neat if Unetbootin ever starts using Grub2.. then it could set up to boot an ISO file
[12:35] <shadeslayer> yay.. only 6 hrs to complete the upgrade....then i need to install the restricted package thingy and im all set!
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> 6 hrs? you on  a tin can and a string?
[12:36] <jemark> wow, that's a long time
[12:37] <tgpraveen> Not everyone has a fast connection
[12:37] <tgpraveen> :-(
[12:37] <TuTUXG> anyone uses chromium ppa build with kde4? karmic 64bit
[12:37] <tgpraveen> I didn't even update as I don't have a unlimited connection
[12:39] <jemark> tgpraveen, a time limit?
[12:40] <tgpraveen> data limits
[12:40] <tgpraveen> waaah!
[12:40]  * tgpraveen hates stupid net connections of my place
[12:42] <amgarchIn9> meantime, is there a way to avoid typing keyring password every time after automatic login to the network applet to configure wireless?
[12:43] <amgarchIn9> another thing, how do I disable ubuntu-one applet from starting every time I log into KDE and also requesting the keyword passwrod from me?
[12:44] <TerminX> amgarchIn9: found this on google for you :p http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/12/automatically-unlocking-the-default-gnome-keyring-pam-keyring/
[12:44] <diverse_izzue> tgpraveen, i suffer with you, my isp recently informed me that i use too much volume :-(
[12:44]  * shadeslayer has a 128kbps connection
[12:44] <shadeslayer> :'(
[12:45] <shadeslayer> if only there was a way that i could boost my net connection
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> shadeslayer, so new packages come in faster than you can download them? :-)
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> You youse too much.. BUT if you pay us more... for a faster connection.... err... wait a min...
[12:45] <shadeslayer> diverse_izzue: yup
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> ah the sadness
[12:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ive had luck sometimes.... on a really fast server my download speed jumps to 30 kBps
[12:46] <shadeslayer> right now its 21
[12:48] <tgpraveen> I want to move to finland where it is recognized rightly that a 1 mbps connection is a FUNDAMENTAL right
[12:48] <shadeslayer> tgpraveen: :o
[12:48] <amgarchIn9> TerminX: citation: "gnome-keyring will be handed your login password and, if they are the same". I dont type password when booting, I ve set up automatic login to avoid doing that. Moreover, I changed my login password so it doesnt match that for gnome keyring. And I dont know how to change the latter.
[12:48]  * tgpraveen wants to finnish becoming Finish
[12:48] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[12:49] <TerminX> amgarchIn9: I'm sure google knows how to change the gnome-keyring password to match :p
[12:49] <shadeslayer> and today i found out that by placing my LCD in a particular position,i could get a *much* clearer pic
[12:49] <TerminX> it looks like you don't even have to edit the file in /etc/pam.d anymore, just install the package and make sure the passwords match
[12:50] <shadeslayer> rather than the "look at the screen directly @ 90o"
[12:54] <amgarchIn9> TerminX: yes, google tells to use "gnome-keyring-manager", and also it tells that it is superseeded by "seahorse" since Gnome 2.22. The former is not installed, the latter offers to change only the login password.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Odd.. trying same video in vlc and gnome-mplayer - i get jumpy/jerky sound/playback in vlc.
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> but not gnome-mplayer
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> vlc is cpu heavy iirc
[12:55] <Ian_Corne> totem is nice :)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: xorg hates vlc :P
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> I consider totem to be PooPoo. :)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> kaffeine ftw
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> rarely have issues with vlc.  Couldbe this is a High-def video  or somthing.
[12:57] <shadeslayer> wow... : 688 << free RAM
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> There we go.. Switched vlc to use pulse audio instead of 'default' and sound is no longer jumpy
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> heh - vlc has 'color ascii art' output
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> mplayer too
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> and you can almost make out what its showing
[13:07] <amgarchIn9> anybody managed to combine *automatic* login with password-less setup of the wireless in 9.10?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Not in 9.10   - wife took my netbook. :) so i havent tried yet
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> paswordless wireelss = apps-> scessories -> password and encryption keys - you some how set up a 'blank' password for the wallet manager - I recall
[13:10] <amgarchIn9> Dr_Willis: yes I was doing that in KDE, no way for gnome
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm,.., did it in gnome befor..
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> not ever tried kde.
[13:12] <newuser> the gparted error was that a partition I want to resize was mounted , even I told gparted to unmount it.So I unmounted all the partitions from nautilius and now gparted is working.i hope it will not spoiled my ubuntu installation :)
[13:14] <amgarchIn9> Dr_Willis: ok, let me try with the blank. rebooting
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  the normal way do to it - is to boot a live cd and use gparted from that -  Much safer and nothing will be mounted by default
[13:21] <newuser> probably but I slready started doing this from ubuntu.Noone said if the gparted live cd has more features then the gparted appilcation that it is in live ubuntu cd
[13:21] <newuser> *than
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> The Gparted Live cd - is ok.  I perfer te System Rescue Live cd.
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> gparted is one application on those cd's - theere are other apps installed  for specific tasks.
[13:24] <newuser> do you know weather it is possible using some app to resize partitions that are not next to each other?Or you can only resize partitions that are neighbors
[13:29] <newuser> guys do you know a free web host that support cgi scripts for the free accounts?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> to 'resize' you have to have adjacent space to resize into.. so thus they need to be next to each other.
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> You could MOVE some around then resizwe taking several 'steps' to do it. if you wanted
[13:30] <newuser> 10x for the explanation
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> also resizing from/to Primary /extended(logicals)  may be difficult also. even if they are next to each other
[13:34] <eagles0513875> hey Dr_Willis
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm?
[13:37] <Jaymac> karmic seems to have bricked out on me... i'm getting an error on bootup: "Cannot create link /etc/mtab~   Perhaps there is a stale lock file?" anyone have any ideas?
[13:38] <zer0x> Hi all, anyone here having a problem with the stock kernel and latest updates?
[13:38] <zer0x> I am getting an error about /dev/mem ?!
[13:38] <Jaymac> i haven't installed anything or changed any configuration since this morning.. a ll that has happened is that i have installed latest updates
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  Hmm. normally a ~ is a 'backup' file  perhaps boot live cd and see if theres a /etc/mtab or /etc/mtab~
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> I dont have a mtab~ here. just a mtab
[13:39] <Jaymac> yeah i know.. is mtab~ something i can delete then you reckon?
[13:39] <Jaymac> it implies something is locked up
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> delete or rename to mtab
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> if thers no mtab
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely if ever had to mess with mtab
[13:41] <Jaymac> i've never touched it
[13:41] <zer0x> Anyone have isses with update to 2.6.31-14-generic?
[13:41] <zer0x> *issues
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ill let you know in 5 hrs
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> by that time there will be another round of upodates shadeslayer
[13:42] <zer0x> Its broken here :( On the plus side the new -9 rt kernel is working fine :D
[13:43] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, it is giving me errors as well such as allmount: unable to mount / Perhaps there is a stale lock file...
[13:43] <kindofabuzz> is it possible to encrypt ~ after install?
[13:43] <Jaymac> also grub is behaving funny - it doesn't show my countdown timer anymore... i.e. usually it autoboots after 10 seconds to ubuntu
[13:43] <Jaymac> anyway back soon
[13:47] <zer0x> X restarted during latest update, anyone else get that?
[13:47] <newuser> what is the equivalent linux commnad for chkdsk for errors and fix them?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> newuser: fsck
[13:49] <shadeslayer> newuser: see man fsck
[13:49] <shadeslayer> !fsck | newuser :also
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hopefully there wont be another round of updates :P
[13:51]  * zer0x reboots FTW!
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[13:53] <erry> hi
[13:53] <zer0x> ok thats just plain odd, I just did a dpkg-reconfigure on linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic and it works now!?
[13:53] <erry> um im using ubuntu 9.10
[13:54] <erry> um, it reached 65 load without an apparent reason
[13:54] <erry> i mean id ditn do anything to it
[13:54] <zer0x> why would it work now, and not on the actual update?
[13:55] <erry> well you have like what 12 days to fix those bugs
[13:55] <erry> and idk if you can get it in such a little time
[13:55] <erry> cause so far only 1 of my probs has been fixed
[13:56]  * zer0x is happy & confused :D
[13:56]  * erry is not very happy with her laptop's load
[13:56]  * erry - nearly nothing is running n her laptop <_<
[13:57]  * erry - you have 12 days to fix this :)
[13:57] <zer0x> I think I'm gunna debsum this thing.. just in case...
[13:58] <eagles0513875> erry:  lol whats wrong
[13:58] <eagles0513875> erry: can you can check your load on the command line using top which is a dynamic program which shows you which process are using most of the cpu
[13:58] <erry> eagles0513875, well itshouldnt have so much load
[13:59] <erry> eagles0513875, im having difficulty moving the mouse but ok
[13:59] <eagles0513875> erry: O_o
[13:59] <eagles0513875> what kind of mouse laptop trackpad
[13:59] <erry> im actually running an upgrade by now, but it started doing that before i started the upgrade
[13:59] <erry> no, i mean its slow
[13:59] <eagles0513875> erry: let it finish then we can trouble shoot it hit me up when its done
[13:59] <erry> cause last time it did that i ran apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:59] <erry> and it was automatically fixed
[14:00] <eagles0513875> erry: i am always running dist-upgrade lol
[14:00] <eagles0513875> erry: you on kde or gnome
[14:00] <erry> according to top cp is using most cpu but that was only for a second now its pulseadio.. and that has a load of 7 still the total is almost 70
[14:00] <erry> eagles0513875, eagles0513875
[14:00] <erry> err
[14:00] <erry> eagles0513875, gnome
[14:00] <erry> ^^
[14:00] <eagles0513875> you using wireless at the moment cuz im fighting with the network manager in kde :(
[14:00] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, still around?  I  have /etc/mtab, /etc/mtab~ (locked) /etc/mtab~1036 (locked), /etc/mtab~1068 (locked),  /etc/mtab~1069 (locked),  /etc/mtab~4555 (locked),  etc... do you have these files?
[14:01] <erry> eagles0513875, i wish i could uise wireless >:(
[14:01] <eagles0513875> :(
[14:01] <erry> eagles0513875, how ever, im glad it worked, even for those 5 seconds it worked
[14:01] <erry> it's an improvement from 0 seconds
[14:01] <erry> so
[14:01] <erry> well done
[14:01] <eagles0513875> hehe
[14:01] <erry> my server's only reached 70 load once
[14:01] <eagles0513875> i have been lucky all my laptops have had broadcom support :) so im lucky but the cursed network manager in kde is broken :(
[14:01] <erry> and its more..popular than my laptop :(
[14:01] <eagles0513875> what you having this load on your laptop
[14:02] <erry> yes
[14:02] <erry> 70 load on a laptop
[14:02] <eagles0513875> strange indeed
[14:02] <erry> with no open ports
[14:02] <erry> no network traffic
[14:02] <erry> nothing that can justify it
[14:02] <eagles0513875> probably right now apt-get is causing that load atm
[14:02] <eagles0513875> now we will see with top
[14:02] <erry> pulseaudio is at top
[14:02] <erry> with 8% cpu use..
[14:02] <zer0x> ewwww
[14:02] <erry> 8 is a bit far from 67
[14:02] <erry> sometimes Xorg goes there instead
[14:02] <eagles0513875> keep looking at top if you can
[14:02] <erry> but none of them is more than 7
[14:02] <eagles0513875> its going to stay swapping them out
[14:02] <erry> i am
[14:03] <erry> eagles0513875, sometimes dpgkg comes but is still only around 6
[14:03] <erry> eagles0513875, it started being SLOW before i ran the upgrrade :(
[14:03] <erry> it did the same thing yesterday :(
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ok erry try this command as top changes too much
[14:03] <eagles0513875> try ps aux on the command line please
[14:04] <erry> done
[14:04] <eagles0513875> and look at the 3rd column which is the cpu usage
[14:04] <erry> btw can u check if my site is online
[14:04] <erry> somebody said its not
[14:04] <erry> but firefox isnt gonna start this yrar
[14:04] <erry> year
[14:04] <eagles0513875> shoot the url
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ill check it for ya
[14:04] <erry> pokemonlake.com <<
[14:04] <eagles0513875> what is using the most cpu according to ps aux
[14:04] <erry> at;east its not a crash cause well im here :p
[14:05] <eagles0513875> do you have any databases or anything or php on the site
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, gconftool-something with 2.1 cpu
[14:05] <tgpraveen> erry: you can use many more browsers eg epiphany
[14:05] <erry> and cp -r
[14:05] <tgpraveen> and also use commands like ping,tracert
[14:05] <eagles0513875> cp -r what are you copying ?
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, yes, i have mysql, but that'son my _server_
[14:05] <erry> and not laptop
[14:05] <zer0x> yay! I didn't realise fglrx had been updated to work with -rt at last!! :DDDDD
[14:05] <erry> eagles0513875, im not but maybe the update is?
[14:05] <eagles0513875> erry: dunno thats strange
[14:05] <erry> thank gof for lynx
[14:05] <erry> yeah its up
[14:06] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:06] <eagles0513875> let me know when update install is done
[14:06] <eagles0513875> hehe my duelboot on my macbook pro man is gonna be a while i have 260 updates there bout 160 or so on my kubuntu vms
[14:06] <erry> eagles0513875, ok..
[14:06] <erry> eagles0513875, do you expect that to be done before the realease of ubuntu 9.10? ;)
[14:06] <HoopyCat> hmm... i just applied a batch of updates requiring a reboot, but i dismissed the window with reboot-later... is there any way to have a little icon in the notify-icon area or anything like that so i don't forget to reboot?
[14:06] <eagles0513875> hahaha yes erry
[14:07] <erry> well i also have to go study unfortunately
[14:07] <erry> ill get back on you later
[14:07] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: gnome or kde
[14:07] <erry> ;p
[14:07] <erry> to^
[14:07] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  gnome
[14:07] <eagles0513875> erry: same here im reading btw lol
[14:07] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: not sure about gnome but i know kde gives u a lil yellow icon with a circular arrow to remind ya
[14:07] <erry> eagles0513875, kinda reminds me of what i ask my users.. except i ask "firefox or ie" and they usually dont know
[14:07] <erry> ^^
[14:08] <eagles0513875> haha erry you use google analytics its quite cool tells u the percentage of browsers and types of browsers and all that
[14:08] <zer0x> ie always!!! :PPP
[14:08] <eagles0513875> bleh
[14:08] <zer0x> lol :D
[14:08] <erry> i do use it but unfortunately it says most my users use IE
[14:08] <eagles0513875> only reason im on vista is for gaming and that i need a 64bit system for my desktop cuz i have 8gb of ram
[14:08] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  in case of emergency, read the first few paragraphs and the last few paragraphs, and make a note of what the piece is getting at and grab a few talking points to make it seem like you read it.  (don't, of course, do this if you actually want/need to read the text ;-)
[14:08] <erry> but i ask them when they have probs so.. xD
[14:08] <eagles0513875> things are bout to change in 7
[14:08] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: ??
[14:08] <zer0x> probably for the worse.... again.
[14:09] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  hmm... i used to have one back in 8.10, but it went away in 9.04, so i wonder if there's just something that got lost in the upgrades...
[14:09] <zer0x> would you like some finely crafted DRM with that sir? :D
[14:09] <eagles0513875> HoopyCat: its possible since you have been upgrading
[14:09] <HoopyCat> eagles0513875:  random tip for academic reading :-)
[14:09] <zer0x> How about a TPM chip with that steak?
[14:09] <eagles0513875> zer0x: they removed drm drm is dead btw
[14:09] <zer0x> eagles0513875: I Wish :P
[14:10] <eagles0513875> they removed for instance media player adding drm to burnt cd's it no longer does that it asks the user if you want to add drm or not in win 7 at least
[14:10] <eagles0513875> and you have a choice of browsers 2
[14:10] <zer0x> I didn't even know it did that to cd's.. that is horrendous!!
[14:11] <Jaymac> now trying to mount my /home and getting an error: /usr/bin/ecryptfs-mount-private: 34: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied
[14:11] <Jaymac> ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[14:11] <eagles0513875> well it did in xp and vista and now in 7 they ask the user at least if you want to add drm or not
[14:11] <zer0x> I would't even trust it inside a VM :D
[14:12] <penguin42> hmm no /dev/null ?
[14:12] <zer0x> well, I must try ET:QW now I've got fglrx working with the realtime kernel :D Cheers all :D
[14:16] <amgarchIn9> why is Cntrl-Alt-Del is not working anymore in KDE?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> what shoudl it do?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> check your keybindings window
[14:19] <eagles0513875> Amaranth: its been replaced with alt 3 if im not mistaken
[14:21] <amgarchIn9> similarly to gnome pop up the window suggesting to reboot/shutdown or logout. Moreover I dont find "shutdown" entry in the "Leave" tab of the K-menu.
[14:27] <newuser> there was an error while resizing partitions becaus suddenly the same was mounted by ubuntu.Let's how bad it is
[14:28] <newuser> it mounted again.Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> newuser: sudo umount -a ?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yayy... 4hrs left :D
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  the normal way do to it - is to boot a live cd and use gparted from that -  Much safer and nothing will be mounted by default
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> newuser:  one of the many reasons to use a live cd
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> one of the subsystems is seeing the disk changes and automounting most likely.
[14:34] <Jaymac> Dr_Willis, deleting all my /etc/mtab~[] files worked
[14:35] <Jaymac> I nearly had a kitten... backing up all of my university stuff now :)
[14:35] <newuser> yes exactly when the new partition appear and it was mounted and then I get the error.I agree about the gparted live cd.however i can not use it right now.Is there a way to find out what sybsystem do this job?
[14:36] <gorthaug> Hi, i've a problem mounting and NFS file system that works in Ubuntu 9.04 but in this beta when i try to mount it say me http://paste.ubuntu.com/295467/
[14:36] <penguin42> that's a wonderful error
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  you had more then 1 ?
[14:38] <Jaymac> yeah I had a list of them
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> Jaymac:  thats.. very weird.
[14:38] <Jaymac> /etc/mtab~ /etc/mtab~1036 /etc/mtab~1068 etc
[14:38] <Jaymac> never seen that before
[14:40] <newuser> going to reboot to see if my ubuntu can boot still
[14:42] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I wonder whether mount-all or the like is doing something clever
[14:48] <bazhang> !puregnome
[14:48] <bazhang> hsarci_, ^^
[14:48] <hsarci_> thanks!
[14:49] <hsarci_> bazhang, what if i just wanted to install gnome but NOT remove kde...but someone be able to switch between em
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hsarci_: you can do that
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hsarci_: just logout and select the DE via gdm/kdm
[14:49] <bazhang> hsarci_, install ubuntu-desktop package
[14:49] <liveoutloud2day> grub problem here....  Installed Karmic Beta on a machine with a 160G HD that had Windows on it, and now it just says   Grub      error: out of disk     grub rescue>    Any ideas?
[14:50] <liveoutloud2day> Interesting thing is that Windows had only seen 128G of the drive and I installed in the remainder of the drive (48bit LBA?)  How do I fix?
[14:50] <hsarci_> thanks
[14:50] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: How old is the machine?
[14:51] <liveoutloud2day> About 2003 Gateway M275 tablet
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[14:51]  * penguin42 would have thought that would have been new enough; oh well - it doesn't look like your BIOS knows about >128G
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> Compiz has a feature to add 'Root' to  the title bar of any program running as root... How nifty
[14:52] <hsarci_> does anyone know how to change themes in kde 4.3???
[14:52] <hsarci_> it seems simple, but when i try to do it i can't find the options under "system configuration"
[14:53] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42: So do I shrink the Windows 128G partition and install there? (then get rid of partitions beyond 128G)
[14:54] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: I'd try and shrink the windows partition a bit and get a /boot partition (lets say 200MB) in the first 128GB, get grub and the linux kernel into there (which should just happen if you partition and tell it to mount it as /boot) then it should cope with the rest being after the 128GB boundary
[14:54] <ioka> hello guys.If I make a file and a called if bla.sh will be that enough for the file to be executable?
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  no. 'bash basics'
[14:54] <ioka> *it
[14:55] <penguin42> liveoutloud2day: I think it is possible that the controler on the board couldn't cope - and then you're stuck
[14:55] <Dr_Willis>  it must be chmod +x, and you want the first line tobe like #!/bin/bash
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> !abs | ioka
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> !scripting
[14:56] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42:  Hadn't thought of just the boot partition - used to run that way with multi-boot - thanks!
[14:56] <funkyHat> :/ when I first log in my volume control is stuck at 0. I can change it with my mouse if I click on the volume icon, but if I use the knob on my keyboard it goes up and then straight back down again
[14:56] <liveoutloud2day> penguin42: Linux obviously sees the rest of the drive, so I guess it should work...  Thanks!
[14:56] <funkyHat> Once I change it with my mouse the volume knob is fine, though
[14:56] <funkyHat> Anyone else getting anything like that?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> the mute control is a little flakey. it like 'stays muted/stuck' if you try to vol up or down. you have to unmute then adj the volume
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ioka, just right click on the file , choose properties and make it executable
[14:58] <ioka> I need to change my mac address.Is there a way to auto the process without typing the commnds every time I boot?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  put commands in /etc/rc.local is one way.
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> but why doyou need to change your MAC?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, I lost my KB mute , any ideas?
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:   Not really. this KB i got now is  very unstandard in the media-key area. Mine dont work either.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> Vol+ starts the calculator. :)
[14:59] <penguin42> funkyHat: I'm not sure, I get the feeling perhaps it starts up with both the volume at 0 and it marked as being muted
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, my vol ctrls work ok  tho
[15:00] <liveoutloud2day> I tried to run the kubuntu-netbook live cd on a Gateway M275, and it hung upon starting X - karmic beta works fine, is there a major difference?  Also is there a package to install to install the netbook part?
[15:00] <funkyHat> penguin42: pressing the mute button makes no difference to the ability of the volume knob to have any impact
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  now ya did it.....
[15:00] <funkyHat> penguin42: could still be related to that though
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> I just had to try all the fancy buttons.. and My Standby button actually worked!
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> thats the only one that did. :)
[15:00] <ioka> do I need to delete the line exit 0 at the end ot the rc.local file?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> ioka:  read the comments  at the start of the file....
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> it says you put commands BEFOR the exit 0
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> and you dont need sudo in that file
[15:01] <funkyHat> It won't hurt though
[15:01] <funkyHat> :P
[15:02] <ioka> I read them.i do nto understand them. Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
[15:02] <ioka> # value on error. Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
[15:02] <ioka> # value on error.
[15:02] <ioka> 10x
[15:03] <funkyHat> ioka: just leave the exit 0 at the end, put your stuff just above that
[15:03] <shane2peru> Hey I'm running Karmic on my laptop, and when I issue commands via the terminal, it randomly just locks up the terminal, it doesn't respond, where do I report this?
[15:03] <shane2peru> !reportbug
[15:03] <shane2peru> !bug
[15:04] <funkyHat> ioka: exit 0 means "this script stops here and worked fine" so anything you put after it will never get read
[15:04] <shane2peru> it has locked up with command, ls -sh  and df -h  and updatedb  just kind of sits there and doesn't do anything, ctrl-c doesn't stop it either.
[15:05] <ioka> 10x for the explanation.Everything lagging like hell.I can not even see my desktop
[15:05] <shane2peru> not sure if this is a bug, or exactly how to report just odd behavior
[15:06] <penguin42> shane2peru: If it locks up it's a bug
[15:06] <ioka> yes my swap is not activated
[15:06] <ioka> that's why
[15:06] <shane2peru> penguin42: it doesn't lock the whole system, just that terminal I have open I can open another and even close that one
[15:07] <penguin42> odd
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> shane2peru:  it freezes in the middle of you typing in a command?
[15:07] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: no, after the command is issued and enter is pressed
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> even simple commands like 'ls' ?
[15:07] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: yep, that is how I knew something was wrong.
[15:08] <ioka> I'll reboot to see if the swap will be activated on the next boot
[15:08] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: it is not all the time, seems to be rare occasions
[15:08] <jbeitler|m> ok is it just me or is Empathy somewhere near worthless?
[15:08] <jbeitler|m> well so far anyway
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> shane2peru:  keep a spare terminal open. next time and see if dmesg commabd guves any clues
[15:08] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: I don't really have anything else running at the time either.
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> I find most IM clients useless for IRC
[15:09] <shane2peru> Dr_Willis: will do, good idea.
[15:09] <jbeitler|m> I am not just talking IRC
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> I find most IM clients useless
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> happy?
[15:10]  * thiebaude happy villa won
[15:10] <jbeitler|m> well that maybe true.. but it says on Empathy site that is does all that Pidgin does.. and so far I don't see even half of what Pidgin does
[15:10]  * jbeitler|m sad Chelsea lost :(
[15:11] <thiebaude> jbeitler, 2 in a row
[15:11] <jbeitler|m> thiebaude: I know..
[15:11] <thiebaude> jbeitler, im in america,lol
[15:12] <jbeitler|m> thiebaude: so am I.. luck Brazil is still going strong
[15:13] <thiebaude> yep
[15:13] <Bouni> Hi everyone
[15:13] <thiebaude> Bouni, hey
[15:14] <Bouni> I have a short question about Firefox in Ubuntu 9.10 beta
[15:14] <thiebaude> jbeitler, but ubuntu 9.10 is looking good for me on my frsh install
[15:14] <thiebaude> fresh
[15:14] <thiebaude> !ask | Bouni
[15:14] <Boohbah> Bouni: yet you feel the need to write an introduction
[15:15] <Bouni> ok sorry :)
[15:15] <Boohbah> :(
[15:15] <thiebaude> Bouni, just ask away
[15:15] <Bouni> Is the Firefox version which comes with Ubuntu different to the one i can get for windows ??
[15:15] <Boohbah> Bouni: you can get several versions on both
[15:15] <rsk> Bouni: Yes. The version in ubuntu 9.10 of firefox is compiled for Linux, the one in windows is compiled for Windows. they are different.
[15:16] <Bouni> i have JS code which works fine on the Win Version but not on Ubuntu Firefox
[15:16] <ioka> how to automtically activate my swap?
[15:16] <rsk> but that's a given for them to work on both plattforms
[15:16] <Bouni> But it does not work on both
[15:16] <Boohbah> Bouni: but they use the same rendering engine. are you js settings different in linux?
[15:16] <thiebaude> activate?
[15:16] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  running 3.5.3 (or at least 3.5.x) on both ends?
[15:17] <Bouni> yep
[15:17] <piggz> lo....just installed the beta on an acer aspire one....mostly works great, apart from sleep/resume ......... it sleeps, but resume just gives  a black screen, any ideas?
[15:17] <mzz> Bouni: fails how?
[15:17] <thiebaude> Bouni, my chrome runs great on 9.10
[15:18] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  it should work "the same" on both.  anything interesting show up under tools -> error console ?
[15:18] <mzz> piggz: I've had that happen once or twice on a different laptop, and ctrl+alt+f1-ing out of X and alt+f7-ing back in fixed it
[15:18] <Bouni> This is the code: onclick='top.functionXY();'
[15:18] <mzz> Bouni: link to the failing page?
[15:18] <piggz> mzz: tried that with no luck :(
[15:18] <Bouni> works fine on windows version but not on Ubuntu!
[15:18] <HoopyCat> ioka:  it should be in /etc/fstab ... that's where swapon will look for it
[15:19] <Bouni> the code is in an iframe, and i try to call a function in the main window
[15:19] <ioka_> ok
[15:20] <Bouni> any ideas why it doesnt work?
[15:20] <csb_> piggz, resume works on my aao
[15:20] <csb_> piggz, resume works on my aao?
[15:20] <csb_> oops
[15:21] <csb_> piggz, how much swap and ram
[15:21] <mzz> Bouni: link to the failing page?
[15:21] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  best guess i can come up with is some sort of difference in security settings.  i can give it a spin from here if you'd like; i think i have 3.0 installed too
[15:22] <Bouni> sorry but the code is used in the member area of a web site!
[15:23] <piggz> csb_: not sure on ram (its not mine and not here atm, think its a 1g model), if i recall, the setup created ~680mb swap
[15:23] <HoopyCat> Bouni:  probably a good idea to create a publically-visible mockup that, if need be, could be used as the basis of a bug report
[15:23] <ioka_> what should I change there.something is wrong http://pastebay.com/61816
[15:24] <liveoutloud2day> I tried to run the kubuntu-netbook live cd on a Gateway M275, and it hung upon starting X - karmic beta works fine, is there a major difference?  Also is there a package to install to install the netbook part?
[15:24] <csb_> 680mb of swap prob isnt enough to store all the memory to.
[15:24] <csb_> piggz, ^ I think the swap space is used to dump the state to...
[15:25] <Bouni> HoppyCat: just a second, i try to make an example page
[15:25] <piggz> csb_: im talking about sleep, not hibernate,so should be ok
[15:25] <csb_> piggz, sorry.
[15:26] <csb_> piggz, I'm tired and have been drinking!
[15:26] <ioka_> if I delete the fstab will it be created again automatically?
[15:27] <jan____> hey, I installed a karmic snapshot from two weeks ago and now did a distupgrade. on restart, couchdb is not started automatically, is that not yet enabled?
[15:27] <Bouni> HoppyCat: try http://bouni.owee.de/test/page1.html
[15:27] <Bouni> mzz too: http://bouni.owee.de/test/page1.html
[15:28] <ioka_> is there a way to detach gedit from console or the only way is to start another terminal and use it
[15:28] <mzz> I'll look in a few minutes if I'm not beaten to it, multitasking
[15:28] <mzz> ioka_: ctrl+z, then "bg" + enter
[15:28] <mzz> or "detach" even
[15:29] <ioka_> bg?
[15:29] <rob0> ioka_: WHY do you think you should delete fstab? Probably no, it was created during the install, I doubt there is any mechanism to recreate it automagically.
[15:29] <rob0> "help bg" in a terminal
[15:30] <ioka_> what about if I want to use gedit it is dark now
[15:30] <ioka_> after I etach it from terminal
[15:30] <ioka_> *detached
[15:31] <Ozzy> CShadowRun: Does your version drop to a busybox shell?
[15:31] <rob0> "help fg" in a terminal
[15:32] <mzz> ioka_: "bg"
[15:32] <mzz> ioka_: or "fg", but that won't give you the term back
[15:33] <ioka_> I see but i do not know how to find out the jobs name
[15:34] <mzz> ioka_: have you tried just entering "bg" (with no further arguments) and hitting enter?
[15:34] <mzz> it defaults to the last job, if you know what I mean
[15:35]  * mzz wishes people would actually read his answers
[15:35] <Ozzy> does anyone know why I cannot adjust the brightness on my laptop screen?
[15:35] <ioka_> yes
[15:35] <ioka_> no backgound jobs
[15:36] <Ozzy> ioka_: What do you mean?
[15:36] <ioka_> when i type bg the output says no background jobs
[15:36] <ioka_> bg
[15:36] <ioka_> no now says fatal error
[15:37] <ioka_> root@lahopo:/etc# gedit: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[15:38] <rsk> ioka_: you shouldn't do regular stuff as root.
[15:38] <ioka_> and when i kill it with ctrl + C shows gedit
[15:38] <mzz> ioka_: try "jobs"
[15:38] <ioka_> nothing
[15:38] <mzz> ioka_: just ctrl+z followed by "bg" really does work, normally. I'm not sure what you ended up doing if it doesn't.
[15:39] <ioka_> now it is fine bash: bg: current: no such job
[15:39] <ioka_> 10x
[15:40] <ioka_> and gedit starts again
[15:40] <mzz> Bouni: clicking "Click" says "hello world" in an alert. What was the problem again?
[15:42] <ioka_> I changed to root the edit fstab
[15:42] <Bouni> mzz.
[15:42] <Bouni> mzz in my website the exactly same code doesnt work
[15:43] <Bouni> i tryed in ubuntu 9.10 beta 6 Firefox 3.5.3
[15:43] <mzz> Bouni: works for me. This kind of thing might break if you disable or restrict js (noscript extension?) or if you're running off file:// instead of http://
[15:44] <Bouni> i think that i didnt have activated noscript.
[15:44] <wsch> do you know if the beta recognises NTFS partitions made by windows 7 ?
[15:44] <mzz> Bouni: also, obviously the error console is your friend
[15:44] <Bouni> and i tryed the code directly on my webserver, so the file:// problem isnt possible
[15:45] <wsch> the gparted in 9.04 regognises my intire disk as unallocated lol
[15:45] <Bouni> ok i think i will try to find out by error console
[15:45] <Bouni> bye
[15:45] <joaopinto> wsch, there is nothing special about NTFS created by windows 7, they are just plain NTFS, and yes, they are support for ntfs3g for quite some time
[15:45] <joaopinto> supported
[15:45] <ioka_> I can not start privoxy as a user.I need to be root.So if I add a line to start privoxy in rc.local will it be executed?
[15:45] <AceKing> Has anyone else come across the problem with movie player having a purple tint after upgrading to 9.10 beta?
[15:46] <joaopinto> wsch, it is a plain HD or RAID ?
[15:46] <wsch> joaopinto: plain
[15:46] <wsch> but windows 7 does something new when creating partitions
[15:46] <joaopinto> wsch, pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[15:46] <wsch> thats my issue but i dunno what it is etc
[15:46] <joaopinto> it does ?
[15:47] <wsch> ok let me try, im working under the livecd now so :)
[15:47] <wsch> erm that only shows sdb
[15:47] <wsch> joap
[15:48] <wsch> joaopinto:
[15:48] <wsch> that only shows my USB stick
[15:48] <wsch> which im booting from
[15:48] <wsch> gparted does show my harddrive but it says unallocated
[15:48] <wsch> ok WTF
[15:48] <wsch> i can browse my windows partition....
[15:49] <wsch> but gparted doesnt see it....
[15:49] <wsch> wtf is going on
[15:49] <joaopinto> wsch, there is something odd there, gparted should not be abled to identify devices that fdisk can't
[15:49] <wsch> oh sorry for language i forgot
[15:49] <wsch> its /dev/sda
[15:49] <wsch> thats the disk im talking about
[15:50] <joaopinto> wsch, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[15:50] <wsch> cannot open
[15:50] <wsch> probably because its mounted