[12:08] <Riddell> meeting's started
[12:11] <allee> motaboy: ping?  I'v not seen your /me is ... on -meeting
[12:12] <motaboy> allee: thanks done :D
[12:12] <allee> motaboy: great ;)
[12:13] <allee> motaboy: me too ;)
[12:13] <motaboy> :P
[12:49] <Riddell> motaboy: we need the .orig file for metabar
[12:51] <motaboy> Riddell: I'll redo them as I cannot discover the orig anymore (I think it's the source distributed upstream)
[12:52] <Riddell> cool
[01:21] <motaboy> Night All!
[01:26] <SquishyWaffle> wow, #ubuntu-motu is always quiet
[01:28] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: guess they're all in the meeting or sleeping
[01:28] <SquishyWaffle> oh, didn't realize that's still going
[01:30] <uniq> riddell: lets postpone the opstuff alteast until tomorrow. I really need to sleep now.
[01:30] <uniq> gnite :)
[01:31] <Riddell> uniq: it's been discussed, I need to talk to daniels about getting me able to assign ops
[01:32] <uniq> yes, i read it.
[01:36] <uniq> well, gnite again.
[01:36] <Riddell> nicht
[11:37] <Riddell> http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/200233 nice review
[12:00] <JRe> ;)
[03:44] <Riddell> \sh: "debian/rules: Removed DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := --list-missing"  why was that removed?
[03:44] <Riddell> libkexif
[04:12] <\sh> ahh...because of...I forgot...
[04:13] <\sh> but with this line there was an error
[04:13] <\sh> ah right, some files were not in the resulting package
[04:14] <Riddell> they don't go away if you just remove the --list-missing :)
[04:16] <\sh> sure...they were inside after this :) try it :)
[06:19] <uniq> hello.
[06:31] <allee> Riddell, \sh:  I used --list-missing in libkexif to check the .install are correct.  With or without --list-missing changes nothing except that the buildlog is smaller without ;)
[06:32] <allee> \sh are you sure that --list-missing generated an error?   It never did on debian.
[06:36] <Riddell> allee: the diff is renaming for gcc 4
[06:38] <allee> Riddell: and remove list-missing I assume.   I can do it for debian too.   AFAIU having *ubuntu* in version prevents autosync
[06:40] <uniq> it's best if you get it into debian first.. and let autosync do the ubuntu-stuff (if that'll work for the package).
[06:41] <allee> uniq: is autosync running at these times?  (because ubuntu doing gcc4 trans, debian not yet)
[06:42] <uniq> not running right now, but everything with *ubuntu* in the versio nstring must be updated manualy.
[06:43] <uniq> if you get it into debian you can save yourself (and others) for some extra work.C[C[C
[06:46] <uniq> that's the -motu idea.. anyway.
[06:58] <Riddell> -ubuntu packages do get a friendly bugzilla entry saying "you need to sync this"
[08:12] <\sh> Riddell: we need a nicer cursor theme for kubuntu
[08:13] <Riddell> \sh: it uses the same one as ubuntu
[08:13] <Riddell> \sh: but for some reason kdm, kwin and konqueror's busy cursor doesn't use it
[08:14] <\sh> Riddell: well, but we should find something matching to plastik, lipstik...or is anyone working on the default ubuntu thene for kubuntu?
[08:15] <uniq> i like the ubuntu mousecursor clean an simple. no-bs.
[08:16] <Riddell> \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible
[08:16] <\sh> where are the default cursors normally in the / tree?
[08:17] <Riddell> cursor themes are pretty hard to do anything exiting with that you would want to actually use
[08:17] <\sh> my cursors are not the same as in ubuntu :(
[08:17] <Riddell> \sh: no, I had to take a copy of them, see kubuntu-default-settings
[08:18] <Riddell>  /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/
[08:18] <\sh> hmmm
[08:18] <Riddell> \sh: what cursor theme are you using?
[08:18] <\sh> after the default install of kubuntu, the link for default.kde is on crystalsvg.
[08:19] <\sh> kubuntu install cd :)
[08:19] <Riddell> there's no icons in /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/, it's just for the cursor theme
[08:20] <\sh> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    10 2005-06-04 15:44 default.kde -> crystalsvg
[08:20] <Riddell> yes
[08:20] <\sh> but i installed also the kde3.4.1 update packages
[08:20] <Riddell> crystalsvg is the icon set
[08:21] <Riddell> mouse cursor set elsewhere
[08:22] <\sh>  /etc/X11/cursors?
[08:23] <Riddell> /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/
[08:23] <\sh> yeah...but u have to set the default cursor theme
[08:24] <\sh> in /etc/X11/cursors are {core,handhelds,redglass,whiteglass}.theme
[08:24] <\sh> and xorg is searching for index.theme in ~/.icons/ and where else? somewhere u have to set default.theme=kubuntu.theme or something like this
[08:25] <uniq> $HOME/.icons, /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons
[08:26] <\sh> and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme]  Inherits=kubuntu.theme
[08:26] <\sh> and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme]  Inherits=kubuntu (even)
[08:27] <uniq> if that is found.. yes.
[08:28] <\sh> and if it's not found?
[08:29] <uniq> it'll default to the default theme.
[08:29] <\sh> and the default default is core?
[08:29] <uniq> as in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default or something.
[08:29] <\sh> ahhh...there it is
[08:30] <\sh> but it looks strange to me...anyways
[08:31] <Riddell> \sh: kdebluetooth reviewed on MOTUNewPackages
[08:31] <\sh> not now...i just fixed warped...it took my brain out
[08:33] <Riddell> warped?
[08:33] <\sh> yes
[08:33] <uniq> riddell: got something i can help with? since celestia can be synced with debian directly.
[08:33] <\sh> a very important lib to ogra ;) and really crappy c++ code
[08:34] <Riddell> uniq: you could take a look at build failures of ggz-kde-games and ggz-kde-client
[08:36] <uniq> roger.
[08:46] <motaboy> Hi to all!
[08:47] <uniq> hi motaboy.
[08:48] <Riddell> our newest member
[08:49] <uniq> congrats on membership :)
[08:51] <\sh> hey motaboy
[08:52] <allee> congratulations too.
[08:59] <allee> motaboy: ping?
[08:59] <Riddell> he's all shy
[08:59] <allee> no smoking ;)
[09:00] <\sh> gentoo dev and shy? never :)
[09:00] <KabelKasper> What about this mouse theme for kubuntu? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6240 (the blue one)
[09:06] <Riddell> KabelKasper: 19:16 < Riddell> \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible
[09:06] <Riddell> it needs to be a lot more subtle to be usable
[09:12] <KaiL_> Riddell: what kind of laptop do you have?
[09:12] <KaiL_> 1600x1200 @ 12"?
[09:14] <allee> KaiL_: I'm sure he has not!   Think about konsoles default font in such a beast:  1 mm height ;)   but he kept the default, so he has 'low' res.  q.e.d.
[09:14] <KaiL_> allee: you know the default fonts in kubuntu?
[09:15] <allee> konsole has a different one.  Look at the source ;)
[09:17] <allee> KaiL_: standard fonts: locate kdeglobals
[09:48] <Riddell> KaiL_: 1024x768
[09:48] <Riddell> 14"
[09:49] <KaiL_> same as the Asus M2400N here...
[09:49] <KaiL_> why do you have 12pt fonts as default then? ;)
[09:50] <Riddell> KaiL_: what would you suggest?
[09:52] <KaiL_> 10
[09:57] <Riddell> ug, far too small
[09:57] <Riddell> my eyes arn't like they used to be you know, young whippersnappers
[09:58] <Riddell> of course it depends on dots per inch what the final size is
[10:00] <KaiL_> imho 12pt looks awefull on everything <100dpi
[10:00] <KaiL_> it's ok for some 1400x1050 @ 15" :)
[10:01] <Riddell> I'm on 75x75 dpi
[10:29] <motaboy> allee: thanks!
[10:30] <Riddell> 10 point fonts too painful, going back to 12 point
[10:32] <allee> Riddell: I'm happy with 10pt too.   Are your 75 dpi real dpi?
[10:32] <Riddell> allee: dunno, ow wouldn't they be?
[10:32] <Riddell> how
[10:34] <allee> divide 1024 (768) by the with a ruler measured width (height) in inch   = ???
[10:35] <allee> Riddell: or check im xorg driver gets and use display dimensions from TFT
[10:36] <Riddell> allee: you make knemo?
[10:36] <allee> no percy (author) is to busy (lazy?) to do the 'formal' stuff.  I just triggered it again and as a price have to do it myself ;)
[10:37] <Riddell> knemo has potential, but needs work before it can be used by default
[10:37] <allee> I only pkg knemo for debian (ask sponsor for final debian upload some days ago)
[10:38] <allee> after g++4 storm is over I plan to pester you about  automount/hotplug plans for brezy and then pester percy to add necessary fixes to knemos TODO ;)
[10:39] <allee> personally I would like that a ifplug hotplug event triggers knemo so knemo is only active when monitoring
[10:39] <Riddell> I plan to look at ivmon
[10:40] <Riddell> nope, google doesn't know that
[10:40] <Riddell> what was it called
[10:41] <allee> bbl
[10:41] <Riddell> good luck
[10:41] <Riddell> ivman seems to be it
[10:41] <allee> Riddell: for auto* stuff I really need it  (my first not-only-a-one-line change)
[11:57] <uniq> riddell: ggz-kde-games fixed. i'll upload to my server tomorrow.
[11:57] <Riddell> uniq: cool, what was the problem?
[11:58] <uniq> had to add casting for some !='s
[11:58] <uniq> http://artis.imag.fr/Membres/Xavier.Decoret/resources/C++/operator==.html#bigpicture
[11:58] <uniq> something about that :)


[11:42] <chrisccoulson> is anyone here on maverick and using the firefox-stable PPA (and doesn't use en-US locale)?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> fta: my audio is all busted in chromium HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[21:05] <fta> most probably not chromium related
[21:06] <fta> works fine here, with your techno boom booms
[21:14] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:14] <BUGabundo> but almost any app seems to work
[21:14] <BUGabundo> pidgin sometimes screws it
[21:14] <BUGabundo> but after a reboot is fine
[21:14] <BUGabundo> chromium OTOH as always probs
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ill test firefox
[21:15] <BUGabundo> FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU firefox the same :(
[21:15]  * BUGabundo is this close on giving up on Ubuntu :(
[21:16]  * micahg blames pulseaudio
[21:42] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I wonder if gnomefreak was right
[21:42] <BUGabundo> and this is all flash
[21:42] <BUGabundo> does that shoutcast player use flash?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> one way to find out
[21:42]  * micahg could also blame multiarch :)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> remove flash from my system
[21:42] <BUGabundo> http://shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=1377200&play_status=1&stn=TechnoBase.FM - 24h Techno, Dance, Tranc...
[21:43] <micahg> yeah, that's probably flash
[21:48] <BUGabundo> yea
[21:48] <BUGabundo> its darn flash
[21:48] <BUGabundo> disabled it and its stopped
[21:48] <BUGabundo> so
[21:48] <BUGabundo> WHY did audio broke with flash recently?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> time to upgrade to trunk
[21:49] <micahg> BUGabundo: could be multiarch related, do you have ia32-libs installed?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> think so
[21:49] <BUGabundo> for android SDK
[21:49] <BUGabundo> but I don't have flash from repos
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I have the 64bits so
[21:50] <BUGabundo> /home/bugabundo/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[21:50] <micahg> BUGabundo: maybe that's your problem :)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> shouldn't
[21:50] <BUGabundo> was fine till 3 weeks or so
[21:51] <micahg> new version since then
[21:53] <BUGabundo> fuuuu
[21:53] <BUGabundo> any even newer?
[21:53] <micahg> well, I can't speak for the beta, but the release version was bumped
[21:54] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I have xedgers version
[21:54]  * BUGabundo hides
[22:51] <fta> chrisccoulson, wrt the liferea warning, now that i think of it, i didn't get a single notification in a while, yet the indicator menu is updated


Using QtWebEngine on the pinephone with its mali 400 GPU + lima requires one patch. Would you be open to including it into upstream debian? I'm still trying to find out whether it is being upstreamed, I just got it from Neon's packaging. … Just in case, here is the merge request https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtwebengine/-


[06:11] <bryan_> Anyone out there?
 Lock screen input field can not be activated with key anymore, only with mouse move.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Okay, that's all right, this problem is not so important (re @leonovk: )
[22:55] <Vlad329> 123
[23:21] <yrdsb> hi
[23:21] <yrdsb> how do i install vanilla gnome on ubuntu
[23:23] <Dragnslcr> You would have to ask in #ubuntu
[23:24] <yrdsb> i am banned there


[00:11] <Anja> does anyone have any idea how Qt finds its default theme on ubuntu?
[00:58] <naught101_> How do I prevent kde system sounds from increasing the device volume in Pulseaudio?
[01:08] <naught101_> Hrm.. looks like switching phonon to use gstreamer might help: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=200378
[01:11] <naught101_> YAS. It did, and without even rebooting.
[01:13] <naught101_> though now system sounds trigger ducking of other audio... sigh
[01:13] <DarinMiller> naught101_: good find! I have the same issue.
[01:14] <naught101_> DarinMiller: note I also already had flat-volumes set to no
[01:14] <DarinMiller> naught101_: OK, I will play with it....
[01:16] <DarinMiller> hmmm, where do you set flat-volumes to "no"?
[01:21] <DarinMiller> nevermind.... followed the link and sub-link above and found the location
[01:22] <naught101_> hrm... maybe it didn't work after all..
[01:23] <naught101_> maybe after a restart
[01:25] <DarinMiller> Earlier I had tried playing the notification sound from the Sys settings -> Multimedia -> Audio & Vid tab, then using the PA volume setting to adjust volume, but the volum level is not retained...
[03:01] <marilyn> I just installed vobcopy but it complains that there's no CSS library.
[03:32] <IrcsomeBot1> InvisaMage was removed by: InvisaMage
[03:34] <marilyn> I figured it out. I did reconfigure of libdvd-pkg
[04:38] <pragomer_1> I have no video-thumb-preview in dolphin under kubuntu 16.04. I installed ffmpegthumbnailer,kffmpegthumbnailer, ffmpegthumbs, mplayerthumbs.
[04:38] <pragomer_1> any idea?
[04:40] <pragomer_1> ok.. I got it myself:
[04:40] <pragomer_1> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/
[04:40] <pragomer_1> helped !
[05:54] <teledyn> is there a way to disable dragging/moving of tabs in konsole?
[05:54] <teledyn> i accidentally detach them all the time :-(
[06:33] <josselin> salut ça boume la room?
[06:34] <valorie> !fr | josselin
[10:44] <omkar_> Hi Guys I am not able to generate an entry for mint linux which is alredy present in the system
[10:44] <omkar_> I just repaired my grub using boot repair from kubuntu live cd
[10:46] <omkar_> when i run  grub-mkconfig it does say it found linux mint but didn't wrote anything abt that in grub.cfg
[10:50] <omkar_> can anybody help me with this prob
[11:42] <BluesKaj_> howdy folks
[11:46] <Smurphy> Morning.
[11:47] <BluesKaj_> Ḿorning Smurphy
[11:55] <tubilla> hispano
[12:54] <jacklinux> Good Morning!
[12:54] <jacklinux> how do I update the ubuntu 14:04 to 16:04?
[12:57] <jacklinux> Good Morning!
[12:57] <jacklinux> how do I update the ubuntu 14:04 to 16:04?
[12:58] <Smurphy> do-release-upgrade ???
[13:05] <hateball> jacklinux: in a terminal, "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[13:05] <hateball> jacklinux: but the GUI should also offer you an update
[13:06] <jacklinux> It is to make the apper?
[13:06] <jacklinux> I think I have problems with the software sources.
[13:08] <jacklinux> GUI is not giving me that option.
[13:10] <BluesKaj_> jacklinux, open the update manager and disable LTS Only upgrades
[13:11] <BluesKaj_> oops sorry jacklinux enable LTS only
[13:11] <jacklinux> ok! i'll try.
[13:23] <jacklinux> I did. But not climbed the pop-up update.
[13:24] <jacklinux> okkkkk!
[13:24] <jacklinux> the pup-up rose
[13:25] <jacklinux> thank's guys
[14:03] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[14:04] <hateball> hello
[14:06] <ForgeAus> I'm having a problem with gnustep I think I installed things in the wrong order or something, still even reinstalling every dependancy and adding stuff I found in references it doesn't help, the problem is about moving BitstreamCharter.nfont/ in the install script doesn't find it existing...
[14:06] <ForgeAus> but it doesn't give a full path to where it expected it or anything
[15:09] <hi2u> when i click url links in chat windows, it tries to open with StarUML application, how can i set it global to browser?
[15:51] <hi2u> when i click url links in chat windows, it tries to open with StarUML application, how can i set it global to browser?
[15:52] <Smurphy> BTW - Does Sieve filter management now work in kmail ???
[17:01] <mgolden_> hi2u: Start Menu -> Settings -> System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[17:02] <IrcsomeBot1> Alemiisa was removed by: Alemiisa
[17:04] <hi2u> www.google.com
[17:05] <hi2u> mgolden: didnt work
[17:05] <hi2u> that url still tries application StarUML
[17:08] <hi2u> cant find dispatcher settings
[17:28] <dei__> hello how can I contribute to open source code? I am new and I don't know where to  start
[17:31] <ForgeAus> yay, success.. I got KDE running under Services for Linux (needed mostly a dbus tweak)
[17:31] <ForgeAus> its not pretty... lots of errors and stuff but it is mostly functioning
[17:32] <user|79181> anyone on?
[17:32] <hi2u> yes
[17:32] <forgeaus_> just to prove it... here I am :) ... in konversation :)
[17:32] <BluesKaj_>  user|79181, just ask your question
[17:32] <user|79181> i'm having trouble understanding the difference between kubuntu and kde neon
[17:33] <BluesKaj_> !neon
[17:33] <user|79181> ok
[17:48] <Guest21627> Hi every one i just get started
[18:16] <dylan> ayy
[18:52] <user|42766> Could anyone please help me with wifi on kubuntu 16.04
[18:53] <user|42766> I have network adapter Intel wireless-ac 7265
[18:53] <user|42766> WiFi is not working and I didn't found the solution
[18:54] <mgolden_> hi2u: What are you using for chat?
[19:44] <heinkel_111> I am trying to upgrade kubuntu 15.10 ---> 16.04.1 but apparently the upgrader fails to locate som packages, problem with some depositories
[19:44] <heinkel_111> is there an authorized way to renew /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[19:49] <vip> hi ho, how to "save" view in file dialogs? e.g. when saving files. I've got huge icons, but I want it smaller, and don't want to ctrl+scroll every time
[19:49] <vip> any hints?
[19:51] <vip> oh, it is `kdialog`
[19:53] <heinkel_111> is there a kubuntu package that is omparable to update-manager-core for ubuntu?
[19:53] <heinkel_111> comparable...
[20:03] <heinkel_111> seems like this works from the command line, not in the muon gui


[00:00]  * tomreyn crawls under sofa
[00:01] <SnoopJ> the yellow warnings are lovely in the rainy twilight
[00:02] <SnoopJ> 25% or so, it looks like it's handling the libraries well enough (including libboost which is a crucial part of day-job stack, yikes)
[00:03] <SnoopJ> Might explain some boost weirdness I've been seeing...This little gremlin's been living in my system for some time, apparently. What in the world did I do to this poor machine.
[00:03]  * SnoopJ slaps tower
[00:03] <SnoopJ> this baby can fit so much pathological config in it
[00:20] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, hello from GNOME-land! If any pieces fell off the airplane, I haven't noticed them yet.
[00:20] <LjL> wait until landing
[00:24] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: i appreciate the news that earlier reports of your system's early decease have been greatly exaggerated
[00:25] <SnoopJ> "Entropy always comes for its due, and that's what even lobsters must accept."
[00:26] <SnoopJ> Some great bug reports popping up about things that were awry when I was starting in on the problem 4 hours ago. I guess a takeaway here is to learn to use journalctl more effectively to drill down past the static.
[00:51] <SnoopJ> hm, it gave me gcc 10.3, but I think I can downgrade from here.
[01:02] <SnoopJ> Ahh, gcc 10.2 may have been how groovy happened in the first place. It's against groovy in that PPA and I suppose I didn't properly say "give me exactly that package and nothing else"
[01:04] <tomreyn> you must have activated this ppa, which is for groovy, as the name says, at some point
[01:05] <tomreyn> but then you also had groovy apt sources for archive.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <SnoopJ> yea, guess I goofed big time and turned on groovy for my whole system while flailing around.
[01:07] <SnoopJ> Is there a way to install exactly this package and its dependencies? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test/+sourcepub/11732915/+listing-archive-extra
[01:08] <SnoopJ> Only focal in my sources.list now, and only focal in the .list for that PPA (do I want `groovy` for just that PPA's deb, maybe?)
[01:13] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: what's your need / requirement?
[01:14] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, I need gcc-10 from before 10.3, there's a bug in nvidia's CUDA compiler against 10.3
[01:15] <SnoopJ> That groovy package of 10.2 is what I was using before, it seemed to work fine on this system, so I figure the easiest thing to do is install that package again, but not explode my system at the same time if I can avoid that.
[01:15] <tomreyn> you remember i told you that grooy is EOL?
[01:16] <SnoopJ> I am happy to install another package that provides any version of gcc-10 that is not 10.3
[01:18] <tomreyn> there will be some reason why it was SRU'd
[01:18] <SnoopJ> in gcc-10?
[01:18] <tomreyn> GA focal had 10-20200411-0ubuntu1
[01:19] <tomreyn> yes, gcc-10
[01:19] <SnoopJ> yea, I need to check if what part of the release cycle that fits into
[01:19] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, is there some way I can find out why it's a bad idea to install that package? I don't know what an SRU is but I assume it's some policy.
[01:19] <tomreyn> !sru
[01:20] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: sudo apt install gcc-10:10-20200411-0ubuntu1
[01:20] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: though you'll need to pin that so it doesn't get upgraded
[01:20] <SnoopJ> that's pre 10.1 so I was kinda trying to avoid lagging behind my team if I could :(
[01:21] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=gcc-10
[01:21] <tomreyn> ...lists the versions available in different suites (and releases)
[01:23] <tomreyn> apt changelog gcc-10    should provide information on what changed duriong those updates/upgrades
[01:24] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, is the policy around stable packages applicable to stuff that lives in a keeping-place PPA like that and not on the main line?
[01:24] <SnoopJ> I would've guessed the package doesn't have a focal counterpart because the new thingy was out and groovy is old
[01:25] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: stable release upgrades are a process where, against the default rule of not upgrading packages in ubuntu releases, this can be considered if needed to fix security issues or serious bugs
[01:25] <SnoopJ> my point is that this package _isn't in_ an ubuntu release, it's on a PPA
[01:26] <tomreyn> packages in PPAs can have any version their developers want them to have, can choose to break your system or not, can choose to run malicious commands onyour system as root or not.
[01:26] <SnoopJ> I don't know if PPAs are typically treated in the same fashion, especially one that looks like it's a holding place for whatever packages someone needed for a thing they were doing on such-and-such version.
[01:27] <tomreyn> ideally they'll provide packages and versions which are compatible to the ubuntu release they claim to be built for
[01:29] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, sure, I get that. Let's say that I trust this package since Matthias Klose wrote it, and frankly if he wants to do naughty things to my computer, I've got bigger problems than this package.
[01:30] <tomreyn> if you looked at the changelog (as suggested previously) http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/binary/g/gcc-10/10.3.0-1ubuntu1~20.04/changelog you'd read "SRU: LP: #1930125: Update to the GCC 10.3.0 release."
[01:33] <tomreyn> i'm not sure i'm seeing the explanation of why the SRU was strictly needed - I assume it is FTBFS (fails to build from source), i.e. important other packages would fail to build without gcc 10.3
[01:33] <SnoopJ> It looked to me the last time I had a pass at this like 10.2 just sat in a weird window where it was possible to skip over it entirely for the new LTS.
[01:35] <tomreyn> you could probaby try downgrading to 10.2.1-24, the "GCC 10.3.0 release candidate", if that's not too new for the nvidia stuff
[01:35] <tomreyn> that's if you can still find those packages somewhere
[01:37] <tomreyn> the 10.2.0-1ubuntu1~20.04 packages are at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-10/
[01:38] <SnoopJ> I see that hirsute has some 10.2 packages, too. Perhaps I could install one of those?
[01:38] <SnoopJ> I would have I suppose the same problem where I don't really want anything from the future except gcc and whatever else it needs
[01:39] <tomreyn> why pick packages from a different release if you can just    apt install -t focal gcc-10
[01:40] <tomreyn> or    apt install -t focal gcc-10=10.2.0-1ubuntu1~20.04    if you need to specify the version
[01:40] <SnoopJ> Because that gives me 10.3
[01:40] <SnoopJ> And the second one is "Version ... was not found"
[01:41] <tomreyn> hmm okay maybe it's no longer referred to by the package files
[01:41] <SnoopJ> Seems to me my choices from focal proper are either 10.3 or pre-10.1, there's a big ol' gap
[01:41] <tomreyn> apt policy gcc-10   says what?
[01:41] <SnoopJ> https://bpa.st/A53A
[01:42] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: using that PPA: sudo apt install gcc-10:10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1
[01:42] <leftyfb> that'll give you what you want
[01:43] <sarnold> : ?
[01:43] <leftyfb> sarnold: according to their paste, they've got the ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ppa added and version 10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1 is available
[01:43] <leftyfb> though good luck with dependencies
[01:44] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, none needed, that's an error: https://bpa.st/UGGQ
[01:44] <SnoopJ> I tried with = before, not sure what the difference is between : and = but neither works.
[01:44] <SnoopJ> Which I assume is because the package is for groovy, and my deb against it is for focal.
[01:45] <tomreyn> : indicates architecture, = indicates version
[01:45] <leftyfb> oh right
[01:45] <leftyfb> I think if it's showing up in apt-cache policy then it should be available to install
[01:46] <SnoopJ> hmm, if my deb in that PPA includes groovy, I get unmet dependencies, but maybe I can do that dance since I am already pretty sure those packages are stable on this system.
[01:46] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: please paste the output of sudo apt install gcc-10=10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1
[01:46] <tomreyn> i will give up on this. one possible "solution" is to grab the 20.04 packages off archive.ubuntu.com as i explained above, but you'll need to find them on your own, and verify the downloads.
[01:46] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, https://bpa.st/MVTQ
[01:47] <tomreyn> the real problem is in nvidia lands
[01:47] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: yeah, that's a whole dependency hell. Good luck with that
[01:47] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, yea, that's my new fallback position
[01:47] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, like I said, this compiler bug has already dragged me into a proper LTS from an interim release
[01:48] <sarnold> leftyfb: heh, sorry, I should have used more words :) I thought that the : was for releases, and = was for specific versions
[01:48] <SnoopJ> if I could figure out how to get just the relevant packages from hirsute, I'd feel more comfortable with that. I don't know how apt spells that, though.
[01:48] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, thank you for all your assistance, you have been very patient and helpful and I appreciate that.
[01:48] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: where do you see that hirsute has 10.2?
[01:49] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: according to madison, it doesn't
[01:49] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, maybe they were in it once, but then yanked? I saw that in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/binary/g/gcc-10/10.3.0-1ubuntu1~20.04/changelog
[01:49] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: you're welcome
[01:49]  * SnoopJ definitely doesn't understand packaging, especially when it comes to policy
[01:53] <SnoopJ> surely there must be a way to install a package (and its deps) from the future, but not expose the entire packaging process to unwanted "upgrades"
[01:53] <SnoopJ> s/packaging/package management/
[01:54] <sarnold> not really
[01:55] <sarnold> that's part of the reason why snap was developed
[01:55] <sarnold> to make it easier to move different parts of the OS at different speeds
[01:57] <tomreyn> so just install the readily available gcc-10.2 snap, make it magiocally work with the other parts of your build environment and you're done! so easy!

[01:58] <SnoopJ> segfaulting the compiler is enough headache for now, to be sure
[01:58] <SnoopJ> I may just throw my hands up in the air, get the .debs, and let it be local. "This is not a place of honor...no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here"
[03:10] <Guest18> wassup dudes, I think I found a laptop I will buy, again ubuntu should run very well on this one? Acer Nitro 5 AN515-44-R8VF
[03:11] <Guest18> NVIDIA GF GTX 1650 and linux lol
[03:19] <morgans> redshift, sort of works but keepts flashing white. when I invoke it in terminal... which says waiting for intitial location (lists my location) to become available. HELP me stop the flashing. Thanks.
[03:19] <morgans> every 5 secs
[03:21] <ledeni__> morgans, what DE you using ?
[03:36] <morgans> ledeni, the regular one, some tweak on the dock
[03:37] <morgans> has "activities" on the panel but I dearly would like an application tree.
[03:38] <morgans> I have to hard reboot every 2 days because 30 tabs is too many I guess.
[03:38]  * morgans is vanilla
[03:40] <morgans> I would be happy to colorshift it myself, on off, deeper. that's all I would want. It was too bright.' Now I dont know how to trun it off.
[03:40] <tomreyn> why don't you just use nightlight?
[03:42] <morgans> never heard of it. will look it up
[03:43] <morgans> I searched for flux and wnded up with where we came in.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> morgans: there redshift gtk, nightlight in gnome and a handy firefox addon dark reader you can use or the built-in dark mode of firefox
[03:47]  * morgans skips bitch about the total failure of dark in android
[03:49] <morgans> whoa, I have to install displays.
[03:50] <morgans> displays is a MATE control center.
[03:51] <morgans> The MATE control center contains configuration applets for the MATE desktop, allowing to set accessibility configuration, desktop fonts, keyboard and mouse properties, sound setup, desktop theme and background, user interface properties, screen resolution, and other MATE parameters.
[03:51] <morgans> next time mate. mate fails on my laptop so I forgot about it.
[03:53] <morgans> I installed it, got only something about my monitor which is fine so I closed that. Now am lost. went back to activities, start typeing displays.. doesnt show. very lost.
[03:55] <morgans> activities, installed click displays, launch, nothing but same small monitor preferences window.
[03:55] <morgans> lotuspsychje,  acha??
[03:56] <tomreyn> you said you're on gnome, not mate, why would you use mate's tool?
[03:57] <morgans> I have the entire hard drive ubuntu, is there a way I can shrink everything and repartition so that I can install mate in another partition. I should have partitioned at first but was in a hury and put ubu on the entire disk.
[03:57] <tomreyn> it's possible but also error prone, better install ubuntu mate on a separate disk
[04:07] <morgans> so back it up then repartition
[04:07] <morgans> only one hd
[04:08] <morgans> Or a new computer, $$ solves all, eh
[04:09] <morgans> till I check out more.. thanks
[04:10] <alkisg> morgans, if you're using normal ext4 the risk is tiny
[04:10] <alkisg> gparted can resize ext4 with no problems; then you can install other distributions side-by-side, their installer will even prompt you to do that
[05:11] <pvh_sa> Hello everyone... I have a Bluetooth headset that is connected as an a2dp_sink according to pactl list cards and sound plays fine e.g. in Youtube tabs (in Firefox) but is delayed or non-existent in e.g. my Duolingo tab on the same browser. Any advice?
[05:14] <SnoopJ> I ended up just building my own gcc 10.2 :/ (but at least I configured it in a less going-to-break-my-system way this time around)
[05:55] <guzzlefry> okay so, 20.04 upgrade went mostly smooth. Now I'm wondering how to switch over to the Ubuntu handled VirtualBox stuff. I can't seem to uninstall the third-party one.
[05:57] <alkisg> What's the output of `dpkg -l | grep -i virtualbox` ?
[05:57] <TheBigK> was virtualbox not part of ubuntu 18.04?
[05:58] <guzzlefry> TheBigK: It was, but LTSs tend to keep really old package versions.
[05:58] <alkisg> If I understood correctly, he installed virtualbox.deb from upstream, and he wants to switch to virtualbox from ubuntu
[05:59] <guzzlefry> correct
[05:59] <TheBigK> and thats not the case anymore?
[05:59] <alkisg> Eh, 2020 is more recent than 2018 :)
[05:59] <TheBigK> thats correct... but its not gonna be recent in 2022 :D
[06:00] <guzzlefry> I think it is in this case. Still 6.1 iirc?
[06:00] <alkisg> I'm using the stock one, 6.1.22-dfsg-2~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, works fine
[06:00] <guzzlefry> Virtualbox is slow to bump minor versions. So it works out in this case.
[06:02] <TheBigK> guzzlefry: pls pastebin dpkg -l virtualbox* | grep ^ii
[06:02] <alkisg> They made an exception for firefox, to allow frequent updates for security reasons. They should have made some more exceptions, for libreoffice, virtualbox and a few other big programs
[06:02] <TheBigK> alkisg: thats what snap is for
[06:03] <alkisg> TheBigK: snap install virtualbox works?! I doubt it
[06:03] <alkisg> Snap solves a problem that I don't have :D
[06:03] <alkisg> My first command after installing *ubuntu is apt purge snap...
[06:03] <TheBigK> alkisg: thats not the fault of ubuntu. if u dont like the solutions ubuntu gives u, u should switch ;)
[06:03] <guzzlefry> https://dpaste.org/UuPe
[06:04] <guzzlefry> Going to take a guess and say that I was looking for virtualbox-6.0 instead of just virtualbox. :P
[06:04] <alkisg> TheBigK: nah, as part of the community, I have offered thousands of hours to make ubuntu better, so I get to voice my complains while I still keep using it
[06:04] <alkisg> It's not a company effort, it's a community effort
[06:04] <TheBigK> remove that package and install virtualbox-dkms and may be virtualbox-ext-pack and may be also virtualbox-guest-additions-iso virtualbox-6.0
[06:05] <guzzlefry> What's dkms?
[06:05] <TheBigK> alkisg: i dont mind u complaining. thats freedom of speak. but there are tons of solutions for such easy problems
[06:05] <alkisg> apt install virtualbox should pull in virtualbox-dkms etc
[06:05] <TheBigK> i would switch to debian if i would use LTS...
[06:06] <alkisg> I'm using many distributions in many places, each one has its pros/cons
[06:06] <TheBigK> i agree
[06:06] <guzzlefry> hrm, can't resolve ubuntu.com
[06:06] <TheBigK> :D
[06:06] <alkisg> But some solutions are good, others are bad; using dnsmasq for dns was a bad solution, so I criticized it until ubuntu did remove it; sometimes they do hear back from users
[06:07] <alkisg> criticize = file bug reports with arguments and all, I don't mean here in irc
[06:07] <TheBigK> im not using dnsmasq?!
[06:07] <alkisg> You all were, in 16.04
[06:07] <alkisg> It was shipped as part of network-manager dns resolution
[06:07] <alkisg> And it was breaking people that actually wanted to use dnsmasq for their own needs
[06:07] <TheBigK> okay. could be true :)
[06:08] <alkisg> Anyway, that one was solved, and also unity, upstart, bzr etc got better solutions...
[06:08] <TheBigK> im using dnsmasq on my pi... for pihole
[06:08] <alkisg> Hopefully snap will also go away in 5 years; I'll do some patience until then :D
[06:09] <TheBigK> i doubt that this is gonna happen... although i think flatpack is a better choice
[06:09] <alkisg> We had 10+ different package managers in Linux, and the solution they came up with was to introduce 3 more ones
[06:09] <alkisg> (flatpak, snap, appimage etc)
[06:10] <alkisg> How would libreoffice be able to ship upstream packages then, with all that chaos...
[06:10] <alkisg> https://xkcd.com/927/
[06:11] <TheBigK> that was always an issue in Open Source... and at the same time its the solution since usually the best technology wins
[06:12] <TheBigK> a lot of ppl still think init is just fine ... and it is... for its purpose... and i bet a lot of ppl still think lilo is fine ;D
[06:12] <alkisg> True; systemd vs upstart was such a case (upstart was fine, but supported by a smaller company). Let's hope they do the same with package managers at some point before the sun burns out
[06:12] <TheBigK> "smaller company?" ... systemd is a one man project, isnt it? like postfix is
[06:13] <alkisg> systemd = redhat = 5k people, canonical = 500 people
[06:13] <guzzlefry> okay, next step is to find out why jetbrains-toolbox is segfaulting. :P
[06:14] <alkisg> But anyway we went too-offtopic I guess
[06:16] <guzzlefry> going to guess it's something related to Java
[06:20] <guzzlefry> "Problematic frame: C  [iris_dri.so+0xddeb84]"
[06:22] <guzzlefry> Also no video for mpv...
[06:23] <guzzlefry> or VLC :P
[06:26] <alkisg> Graphics driver issues? Did you install any custom drivers in the past?
[06:26] <guzzlefry> I don't think so.
[06:27] <alkisg> Check dmesg
[06:30] <guzzlefry> [ 3512.322195] mpv/vo[62413]: segfault at 24 ip 00007f352f4ccb84 sp 00007f353aa8ab90 error 6 in iris_dri.so[7f352e808000+fa7000]
[06:30] <guzzlefry> Same issue with JetBrains Toolbox. So at least it seems to be a single cause.
[06:33] <guzzlefry> This allows it to work: Exec=env MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=i965 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
[06:33] <guzzlefry> suggested here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1254544/vlc-crashes-when-opening-any-file-ubuntu-20-04
[06:34] <guzzlefry> Should I just upgrade to 21.04?
[06:36] <marcoagpinto> guzzlefry: notice that normal releases have a life-cycle of just 9 months I believe
[06:36] <marcoagpinto> that is why I only update every two years (LTS)
[06:38] <guzzlefry> yeah, but there's an impressive lack of information on this issue, other than "LTS kernel is too old"
[06:45] <guzzlefry> wait, I'm a dummy. Had some custom xorg config. Let's see if that fixes it.
[06:53] <guzzlefry> mission accomplished
[07:00] <kylin> list
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> kylin: /list for a channel list on libera
[08:35] <pvh_sa> Hello everyone... I just wanted to report on progress with my bluetooth headset and Ubuntu 20.04. I took quite a journey through pages but ended up with switching to pipewire using these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339765/replacing-pulseaudio-with-pipewire-in-ubuntu-20-04 (I had to reboot after installing pipewirk)
[08:36] <pvh_sa> now I have a wider set of profiles available (listed via pactl list cards) and switched to `pactl set-card-profile <CARD ID> headset-head-unit` for delay-free sound
[10:30] <Dme26> Actually I try to open terminal but there is not opening of terminal
[10:42] <Apachez> how can I find out why /usr/bin/gnome-shell is consuming 100% of a single core and dont give up?
[10:42] <Apachez> journalctl -b -f    doesnt give any hints
[11:45] <JayDoubleu> Can ubuntu use HDMI output of integrated GPU while rendering via dedicated GPU card like in windows ?
[11:50] <Apachez> JayDoubleu: how do you mean?
[11:56] <JayDoubleu> Apachez: on windows you can have two graphics. One integrated and one dedicated. It can use HDMI output from integrated graphics while rendering games on dedicated GPU
[11:56] <Apachez> yeah two different outputs
[11:56] <Apachez> same with linux
[11:57] <Apachez> just put your game or whatever on the output you wish
[11:57] <Apachez> it will be like 2 monitors
[11:58] <JayDoubleu> Are you saying that I can use Nvidia GPU without having any hdmi connected to it and game will use it's power but display via Integrated hdmi out ?
[11:59] <JayDoubleu> I want to render game using external GPU without any hdmi connected to it
[12:00] <Apachez> no
[12:00] <Apachez> I doubt you can do that in windows
[12:01] <Apachez> it would mean that your egpu render the iamge and then have to push it through ram to your igpu who then outputs it to its framebuffer
[12:02] <JayDoubleu> I think I need something like prime
[12:02] <JayDoubleu> It works by default like that in windows without any config
[12:03] <JayDoubleu> Yeah, looks like I need something like this prime offload https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/primerenderoffload.html
[12:05] <Apachez> not really "by default" with that 250 megabyte of driver download :P
[13:19] <waltman> Yesterday I was runnning Matlab over an ssh tunnel. Over night my connection timed out. My Matlab job ended (along with the rest of my ssh session) but I still have 4 icons for it in my gnome dock. There's an option to quit, but nothing happens. Is there any way to get rid of them?
[14:04] <waltman> Alt-F2, then type r. That seems to have reset it.
[15:12] <alguien> is it possible to see a history of notifications?
[15:12] <fikran> hi all. My Raspberry Pi is an armv7l. Is that 64-bit or 32-bit? I am asking for the Raspberry Pi imager.
[15:14] <JoshMulliken> fikran pi 4?
[15:15] <fikran> 3
[15:15] <coz_> fikran, I believe it is 32bit
[15:15] <JoshMulliken> coz_++
[15:15] <fikran> aspberry Pi 3 Model B Rev 1.2
[15:16] <fikran> heh, i have 2 Raspberry Pi 1's
[15:16] <fikran> dunno what to do with them
[15:16] <coz_> play? %)
[15:16] <fikran> what's %) ?
[15:16] <coz_> fikran, that is my smiley face
[15:16] <JoshMulliken> Maybe you can run pihole or something else really light
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:18] <coz_> hey BluesKaj
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hi coz_
[15:19]  * coz_ loves seeing old recognizable nicks %)
[15:19] <fikran> i had a book that was called the yellow pages of the internet
[15:19] <fikran> it had a different emoji per page
[15:20] <BluesKaj> emojies...bah :-)
[15:20] <coz_> %)
[15:22] <ledeni> 😅
[15:22] <coz_> lol
[15:24] <coz_> ledeni, DO NOT tell me hoe to use thos o irc, I think I might get kicked from certain channels because I might like them lol
[15:26] <ledeni> coz_, no problem 👍
[15:28] <coz_> ledeni, lol
[15:31] <tomreyn> alguien: click on the date + time, you'll see notifications which have not yet been acknowledged
[16:08] <alguien> tomreyn, i need the ones i've already read
[16:43] <godsgaming39> Hi, does anybody know how to add new user to Ubuntu with the least permission?
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | godsgaming39
[16:44] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: yup:  sudo adduser newuser --shell /dev/null
[16:44] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: if you'd like a more serious answer, you're going to have to provide a LOT more information
[16:45] <godsgaming39> ok thanks for your answer it is useful
[16:45] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: it wasn't a serious answer. That gives you a user who can't login
[16:47] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: we could probably limit the user further by setting their home to /dev/null as well and a few other things. But unless this is a course question, this isn't the answer you're looking for
[16:49] <godsgaming39> If we allow the user to login but the user is only able to access the resources using the least privilege. How do i set permission for this case?
[16:50] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: what resources?
[16:50] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: this can get VERY granular. You're going to have to be very specific about your user case
[16:51] <godsgaming39> for example start and stop the server, install update or remove the package
[16:51] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: that's some pretty low level stuff. What stuff don't you want them doing?
[17:05] <webchat52> good day
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome webchat52
[17:08] <webchat52> want to install ubuntu 21 dual boot on laptop, which has 2hd's... the first HD (smallest) i would like to use ONLY for boot, while the second one i would like to have for the files, programs, etc... I've done dual boot already, but only for 1 hd... how to do this for 2?
[17:08] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | webchat52
[17:09] <tomreyn> you may be referring to the Ubuntu 21.04 release?
[17:09] <webchat52> yes, sorry
[17:10] <tomreyn> i haven't used the desktop installer for so long that i don't remember whether it can install across more than one disk. have you tried manual partitioning, yet?
[17:11] <leftyfb> webchat52: the easy way to install ubuntu on the first HDD and then mount the 2nd as /home for your files and settings. If you really only want the 1st for "boot", then you probably want the entire OS on the 1st and then an overlayfs on the 2nd
[17:11] <SnoopJ> for 20.04 it does let you mount things across several disks, but I regret using it, it destroyed data on a partition where it had promised to only touch system root stuff
[17:12] <SnoopJ> (possible that I goofed up, but it was an unwelcome surprise)
[17:12] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: never run any OS installer on any drive you do not have backed up
[17:12] <tomreyn> right, it can install on multiple disks https://i.stack.imgur.com/ZF6tp.png
[17:12] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, it wasn't irrevocably destroyed, but it's kind of a pain in the ass to download several hundred GB of training data again.
[17:13] <sharperguy__> I have an issue import a CA cert file using update-ca-certificates: "Could not parse certificate: java.io.IOException: Illegal footer: - -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----". I was already able to import this cert using the trust command on an archlinux system, so I'm not sure whats up
[17:13] <webchat52> leftyfb i think this is what i want yes, but also, the second HD should also be divided for my windows use
[17:14] <leftyfb> webchat52: yup, you can deal with that with custom partitioning and then setup either the /home mount or overlayfs after the fact
[17:14] <webchat52> because, at the moment, my first hd is used for winboot only, and the second one for programs, files, etc
[17:14] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: this output seems to suggest you have a space between two hyphons on the BEGIN CERTIFICATE marker
[17:15] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, yes there is, but it looks like thats intended? I was able to use this same crt file on another system
[17:15] <webchat52> so, first just a plain dual boot setup, and then within ubuntu using a program to divide the second HD? But how to know that that partition only uses the empty space?
[17:15] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: can you share the certificate (it's public anyways) on a pastebin?
[17:15] <sharperguy__> ok
[17:16] <tomreyn> i've not seen this before, but maybe i missed something
[17:16] <leftyfb> webchat52: you need to shrink the Windows partition down, create a new partition, format it and then mount it or seup overlayfs to use it
[17:16] <leftyfb> sharperguy__: please confirm that you can still use this cert on the other system and that it hasn't been accidentally modified since
[17:17] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: actually i'd think the leading "- " don't belong there.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: could try to photorec your hd, see if you can recover some trainings back
[17:17] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, this was several weeks ago.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: if photorec cant get it back its surely lost
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> worth a try
[17:18] <SnoopJ> Lesson learned, the installer offers a promise about the partition that is a little stronger than what it delivers
[17:18] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, I don't think you understand: I have already recovered the data.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:18] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: chances are openssl still accepts the certificate in this format, but java's certutil doesn't (which would explain that only the java tool tells you it's an error)
[17:18] <SnoopJ> The fact that I had to recover it in the first place when the installer told me it would only delete things in system directories is...annoying.
[17:19] <SnoopJ> but lot of room for subtle failures there, probably the user (i.e. me) did something silly
[17:19] <sharperguy__> @tomreyn, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hrwG7qKKHd/ - its because its in a signed message format
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: its the user thats choosing to install yeah
[17:19] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, yes, I have learned my lesson and will not trust the installer for auxilliary partitions again.
[17:20] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: right, makes sense that the signing envelope added the extra "- " now, that's why i asked to see it in context. you'll need to remove the signature first of all.
[17:21] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, i tried deleting the surrounding PGP signed message, leading - and signature and i now get "Could not parse certificate: java.io.IOException: Incomplete data"
[17:21] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: why don't you use openpgp to do the stripping for you?
[17:22] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, not sure what command to use for that?
[17:22] <webchat52> so, before seting up, i should already partition my second hd?
[17:22] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: gpg --decrypt
[17:24] <webchat52> would you be able to recommend a safe (pref open source) partition program?
[17:24] <genii> gparted
[17:25] <sharperguy__> @tomreyn, it seems like the cert was accepted now
[17:26] <sharperguy__> thanks
[17:26] <sharperguy__> i didn't know that gpg --decrypt could also strip a signature
[17:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:26] <genii> webchat52: https://gparted.org/livecd.php
[17:26] <oerheks> webchat52, use windows to partition your 2nd hdd
[17:27] <oerheks> or use the linux tools, but if you need to ask if they are safe, you missed something i guess
[17:34] <apb1963> Hello.  Just finished a fresh install of 20.04 on a brand new drive.  It doesn't boot.  It does a bunch of startup stuff and then the screen blanks and about every 10 seconds the cursor flashes in the upper left corner.  I couldn't help but notice it installing 5.11
[17:36] <oerheks> fresh 20.04 without linux-hwe-5.11 gives 5.11 ???
[17:38] <SnoopJ> apb1963, if you can access a console (either by ctrl+alt+f1 (or another F-key < F7) or booting into recovery mode), then you can look at `journalctl -b` and see if there are some errors in there, probably related to gdm3/GNOME
[17:39] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux i do not see 5.11 for focal
[17:39] <oerheks> any nvidia driver could cause this, disable secureboot?
[17:43] <apb1963> oerheks, I believe it's using nvidia  How do I disable secureboot?
[17:43] <oerheks> in your bios
[17:43] <apb1963> SnoopJ, can't get console
[17:43] <apb1963> oerheks, I don't think that's an option
[17:44] <oerheks> i still wonder how you get 5.11 ..
[17:44] <oerheks> you must have done something special
[17:44] <oerheks> SnoopJ +1 recovery mode, older kernel
[17:44] <apb1963> oerheks, I don't know.  It downloaded it.
[17:44] <oerheks> 5.8 i guess
[17:44] <apb1963> There is no older kernel, this is a brand new drive.
[17:45] <oerheks> oh,.. you just downloaded it..reverse that kernel then.
[17:45] <leftyfb> HWE for 20.04 is 5.11
[17:45] <oerheks> you always have the old kernel.
[17:45] <ledeni> apb1963, sure should be option to disable secure boot
[17:45] <leftyfb> oerheks: not if they selected HWE during the install. I know it's an option for the server install, not sure about desktop
[17:46] <apb1963> leftyfb, there was no option.  I did nothing special - other than selecting a custom partition config. I allocated 50GB for the root, and made /home a mount point  Then I installed to the new, blank, unformatted drive.
[17:48] <apb1963> On reboot, it went through a ton of things and got to a point where it blanked the screen as described.
[17:48] <apb1963> and gthere it sits, every 10 seconds the cursor appears, blinks once and disappears again.
[17:49] <apb1963> s/gthere/there/
[17:49] <Guest5458> its has problem in browsor[
[17:50] <apb1963> well I will reboot it and see if there's a secureboot option in the BIOS.
[17:51] <apb1963> argh.  For a moment I had a console login
[17:52] <apb1963> got it again.  And then it blanked the screen.
[17:53] <apb1963> It comes & goes too fast to login,
[17:54] <apb1963> ctl-alt-del shows me a bunch of logout stuff
[17:55] <apb1963> Secureboot is and already was disabled.
[17:58] <apb1963> Also, I used an old 20.04 install disk.  20.04.2 I believe.
[17:58] <webchat52> @oerheks what do you mean with "if you need to ask if they are safe, you missed something"?
[17:59] <apb1963> Rebooting live disk/usb.
[18:00] <ledeni> apb1963, did you establish network and set updates during install
[18:01] <apb1963> ledeni, yes
[18:03] <ledeni> apb1963, try without just pure install from usblive
[18:04] <apb1963> I guess I'll do it again and tell it no updates this time.  Although..it seems to be a BIOS issue now.  Very slow too go through BIOS checks and it's basically stuck.
[18:04] <apb1963> s/too/to
[18:07] <apb1963> OK... now I have a grub menu and all the OSes show on other devices - sdb, sdc but no sda which is the new drive,  BIOS sees it and obviously it was seen by the installer.
[18:10] <apb1963> oh well, back to reinstall w/no updates.
[18:12] <apb1963> What does the ittle man and the rectangle next to it mean?
[18:14] <apb1963> livedisk sees sba
[18:17] <apb1963> keeps trying to read my CD/DVD and eventually failing...
[18:19] <apb1963> yeah, it's basically going in circles, slowly.
[18:19] <apb1963> rebooting again
[18:22] <apb1963> I'm starting to think the mamaboard is failing.  It got stuck on the initial opening line ISOLINUX.... finally got to the little man and his rectangle.
[18:22] <apb1963> And now sits there,
[18:22] <apb1963> With the purplish colored background.
[18:25] <apb1963> Sigh,  No joy,  guess I need to build another PC.  ;(
[18:26] <apb1963> Thanks for the suggestions guys.  bbl
[18:30] <Walex> apb1963: for testing etc. I like the GRML live CD/USB thing.
[19:04] <guzzlefry> Any idea why the xfce4-notifyd.service isn't starting automatically?
[19:07] <sarnold> guzzlefry: what does systemctl list-units report about it? systemctl status? journalctl?
[19:17] <guzzlefry> I'm not seeing it in list-units.
[19:17] <guzzlefry> ah, needed the --user switch
[19:17] <guzzlefry> "loaded active running", but i had to manually start it
[19:20] <sarnold> guzzlefry: does anything Want that unit?
[19:23] <guzzlefry> How do I check?
[19:25] <guzzlefry> ah, looks like e4-notifyd.service
[19:26] <sarnold> guzzlefry: I don't know any sure-fire ways to check, but systemd-analyze dot xfce4-notifyd.service   shows Wants relationships in a dot format.. it's not the worst thing to read, but it's also not super-easy
[19:27] <loomy> sup yo
[19:32] <guzzlefry> Is there a good way to remove stuff installed via a metapackage? Seems I have a lot of cruft from trying out different DEs.
[19:33] <sarnold> apt autoremove can help, the 'orphaner' tool from the 'deborphan' package can help clean some things up too
[21:36] <morgans> ubuntu has become unworkable: I cant get to "displays, mate" which I was here advised on how to install last night AND now I have a smaill display box telling me what kind of monitor I have RIGHT OVER THE BACK BUTTON on the chrome window AND alt-backarrow doesnt override it.
[21:36] <morgans> 20.04 vanilla with ubu tweaks till yesterday
[21:39] <morgans> It never did install the mate control center AND I am removing it. (yay I found it with installed software) and I hope that little window goes away. ---> I was registering for someothing and was "almost done" and was going to correct the zip code before completion AND FAIL!
[21:40] <morgans> removed and the text box did not vanish. I suppose it is reboot time again. (every 2 days at least.) Can you see why I could never recommend UBU for anyone but someone who is willing to tweak and tweak the system. It is basically horrible. -- fine for whom?
[21:41] <morgans> This is a Dell for god9dess)'s sake and shoudl just work. how Vanilla can we get?
[21:41] <morgans> killall chrome -9
[21:42] <morgans> you know that just isnt something a user who just does the web should have to do. OK the web plaus cheese. and gedit. and hexchat. and discord.
[22:47] <AsenM> Hello, any way to run 2 rsync in parallel with same source and destination? right now they pretty much both copy the same file :( how can i make it multi threaded?
[22:49] <sarnold> AsenM: I might have something for that..
[22:49] <oerheks> 2 rsync jobs on the same file(s)?
[22:50] <sarnold> AsenM: I got this from someone else a few years ago, never tried it myself.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bHDBVkWQKh/
[22:50] <leftyfb> AsenM: there's nothing built in AFAIK. Here's some hacks, but I don't think they buy much depending on the directory structure https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24058544/speed-up-rsync-with-simultaneous-concurrent-file-transfers
[22:50] <leftyfb> sarnold: oh, that one looks a lot more sane then the other hacks
[22:51] <sarnold> leftyfb: yeah, I was pretty skeptical of the idea, but it seemed doable
[22:53] <AsenM> thank you i guess i will think of some ways  i have to transfer 220TB :)
[22:53] <sarnold> oof
[22:55] <leftyfb> I've been trying to transfer about 8TB for about a week now
[22:56] <leftyfb> of course I'm using a raspberry pi which keeps running out of memory and locking me out :)
[22:57] <AsenM> i did 3tb in a day
[22:57] <sarnold> that hurts :)
[22:58] <AsenM> not sure if the problem is the internet or something else
[23:00] <leftyfb> yeah, it also doesn't help that the other end is a laptop on wifi and the destination is a usb HDD
[23:00] <Samian> anyone here have prescription glasses with blue light filter? Does it do anything good?
[23:01] <leftyfb> !ot | Samian
[23:01] <oerheks> no blue lights here..
[23:02] <leftyfb> Samian: the answer is yes, something like "gunners" do work, but please take the discussion where more appropriate
[23:02] <leftyfb> Samian: please do not PM
[23:06] <Samian> sorry I didn't know you prefer dcc chat
[23:06] <leftyfb> Samian: #ubuntu-offtopic is a more appropriate place to discuss. This is an ubuntu support channel
[23:26] <Booda> how do you change for the ubuntu gnome login scren from a pinky purple to anything i want?
[23:30] <oerheks> lot of articles online about that, with a lot of typing..
[23:35] <tw3ml0w> thanks for ur help, i have now solved my problem with all ur wisdom


[00:59] <bryce> wgrant: draft #0 of a hotkey troubleshooting document - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys
[01:00] <bryce> wgrant: I'm sure it's full of inaccuracies, so please update it if you spot stuff you know is wrong (and don't be shy about deleting unnecessary fluff)
[01:00] <bryce> bbiab
[01:10]  * wgrant considers adding every other package to that list.
[02:17] <bryce> back
[02:19]  * wgrant returns.
[04:20] <ScottK-laptop> bryce: Got it sorted.  I've asked Riddell to check my workaround for sanity.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/290156/comments/14
[04:30] <bryce> ScottK-laptop: cool, yes that looks like a solid good workaround
[04:30] <bryce> ScottK-laptop: hopefully we hear from upstream before too long
[04:30] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  The best news is I can put the LCD back on my wife's computer before she gets home tomorrow.
[04:31] <bryce> hehe
[04:32] <ScottK-laptop> That was a reasonably popular monitor a few years ago.  It might not hurt to have the GDM workaround documented there too.
[04:37] <superm1> bryce, so within that document i think it'd be preferable to nuke the Part B
[04:37] <superm1> and all references to hotkey-setup
[04:37] <superm1> in preference of doing it all by hal
[04:38] <superm1> I think if the total push is for by hal, it keeps people from mucking in other areas like hotkey-setup when they really shouldn't be
[04:39] <superm1> also along part B, having X with all these different "keyboard options" is going to keep things complicated too since its all with evdev instead now
[04:49] <bryce> superm1: good point; anything in part B that should be kept?
[04:51] <superm1> bryce, no i dont think anything in there would be useful for debugging purposes anymore now that input hotplug is in place
[04:52] <superm1> of course there is always history to the page though if it's determined that that is incorrect
[05:06] <bryce> superm1: updated
[05:08] <superm1> bryce, do you already have a spec to discuss cleanups as a result of input hotplug then too for UDS?
[05:08] <bryce> superm1: no
[05:09] <superm1> bryce, if not, I think it should be squeezed into an existing session (maybe the move all hotkeys to hal that i was proposing as the one i'd drive)
[05:09] <bryce> sure sounds good
[05:10] <bryce> so far the only one I know for sure is slangasek's acpi/hotkey architecture documentation spec
[05:11] <bryce> er s/spec/discussion session/
[05:11] <superm1> when will the list of sessions be posted then?
[05:13] <bryce> dunno yet, I imagine everyone is recovering from the release
[05:13] <superm1> well it seems really weird that there is so much time between release and UDS tbh
[05:14] <superm1> seems like that would be  possibly valuable development time for some of these specs
[05:21] <bryce> gives us time for upstreaming bugs ;-)
[05:38] <wgrant> superm1: I find the lag very unfortunate too.
[05:38] <wgrant> There's a good quarter of the cycle gone.
[05:39] <superm1> well if nothing else it gives a lot of time for SRUs
[05:40] <wgrant> I would have expected this for an LTS.
[16:47] <james_w> "DRM modesetting drivers" <- does that mean GEM?
[16:52] <tjaalton> james_w: where did you read that?
[16:52] <james_w> the plymouth README
[16:53] <tjaalton> ok
[16:53] <james_w> I wondered whether it depended on the fact that Fedora backported GEM
[16:53] <tjaalton> modesetting needs GEM
[16:53] <tjaalton> but that's in 2.6.28rc already
[16:53] <james_w> so it would be likely usable in Jaunty?
[16:53] <tjaalton> yes
[16:53] <james_w> but only for those with supported drivers?
[16:54] <james_w> intel/ATI I believe?
[16:54] <tjaalton> plymouth should fall back to other methods if it's not available
[16:54] <tjaalton> right, intel/ati support it
[16:54] <james_w> yeah, it falls back to text
[16:54] <tjaalton> actually, modesetting might not make it in .28
[16:54] <james_w> so several users would lose graphical boot if we switched.
[16:54] <tjaalton> I'm not sure where things are
[16:54] <tjaalton> is text the only fallback?
[16:55] <james_w> It looks like it
[16:55] <tjaalton> hm, I remember there being others too
[16:55] <james_w> "For systems that don't have DRM mode settings drivers, plymouth falls back to
[16:55] <james_w> text mode.
[16:55] <james_w> "
[16:55] <tjaalton> ok then
[16:57] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[16:57] <tjaalton> hi bryce
[16:59] <james_w> thanks tjaalton
[16:59] <james_w> hey bryce
[16:59] <bryce> heya james_w
[17:00] <bryce> hey, since a lot of hotkey bugs have been getting tossed (incorrectly) our way, I drafted the start of a document about it, to try and help spread knowledge about it to more people
[17:00] <bryce> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys
[17:01] <bryce> tjaalton, james_w: when its convenient, could each of you add what you know to that document?
[17:01] <james_w> done :-)
[17:01] <bryce> james_w: excellent thanks :-)
[17:03] <james_w> nice work though, I'll be sure to refer to it when necessary
[17:03] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, reading
[17:24] <tjaalton> wow that's a lot to digest :)
[17:27] <tjaalton> I guess it has more information than my tiny brain does
[17:27] <tjaalton> will need to read it through later ->
[17:35] <bryce> hmm, maybe it should be broken down more.  Last thing I want is for it to be info overload, since then no one will read it
[17:51] <superm1> mvo, in watching a lot of the fglrx bug mail fly by, it's looking like r3XX hardware is no longer supported in the fglrx driver for intrepid.  its not explicitly listed in the modaliases, so jockey won't offer it.  people who were on hardy w/ it, will they be transitioned to the open source driver because of the modaliases thing, or do you need to do anything special?
[17:51] <superm1> bryce, do you think this would be worth release noting?
[17:51] <bryce> superm1: yep, although I'd like to get the document into a bit better shape first
[17:53] <mvo> superm1: sorry, I was not aware of this. update-manager does not look at the modaliases for fglrx
[17:53] <mvo> superm1: we could have done that (and we still can via a SRU) - it was just not on my radar
[17:53] <superm1> mvo, neither was I.  i've just noticed the pattern
[17:53] <mvo> ok
[17:55] <mvo> superm1: I can work on a fix for it tomorrow, for now I think we should release note it
[17:55] <superm1> mvo, okay thanks
[17:56] <mvo> "If you run on a r300 based chip and use fglrx use jockey to transition to the free driver before you attempt to upgrade."
[17:56] <mvo> something like this :)
[17:56] <superm1> yeah
[17:56] <mvo> do you want to add it or shall I ?
[17:56] <superm1> go ahead.  i'll try to triage these bugs since i've seen the pattern
[18:01] <mvo> do you have a master bug for it to refer to?
[18:09] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes?action=diff&rev2=103&rev1=102
[18:09] <mvo> ^-- superm1
[18:10] <superm1> mvo, i'll have one after i triage them.  some have intermingled issues listed
[18:10] <superm1> i'll add it to the release notes once i do
[18:15] <mvo> superm1: exellent, thanks a lot
[18:15] <mvo> superm1: when you have a master, please let me know, I check it out tomorrow
[18:22] <superm1> mvo, okay i've got a master and will be adding a few more bugs to it, bug 284408.  i added tasks for update-manager and release notes too.
[18:32] <superm1> bryce, would it be a stretch to try to ask AMD to have an engineer get a LP account to triage these bugs that can't be fixed by us?  like bug 286841
[18:33] <bryce> superm1: I tried to get them to interact with LP directly several times, but no go
[18:34] <bryce> superm1: If you give me a list of bug #'s, I can forward them to them.  No guarantee they'll respond.  They've asked for Top 5 lists in the past, so that would probably be the ideal number
[18:36] <superm1> bryce, well before doing that can you try to get them to commit to a yay/nay on fixing it and maybe providing a tracking number from their internal system when yay?
[18:36] <superm1> bryce, that way they'll have it in the release notes of the driver when they do fix it
[18:36] <superm1> and if they say nay, a canned response saying AMD isn't interested can be put in the bug as won't fix
[18:37] <bryce> well, anything's worth a try, but I'm fairly sure they won't go for any of that
[18:39] <superm1> at least i think that would be the least work on their end but still helpful to give a yay/nay rather than dead silence.
[18:42] <bryce> superm1: why 286841 in particular?  It doesn't look like it's been triaged or prioritized?
[18:44] <superm1> bryce, well that was just one i had opened as an example; it's one of their apps crashing, with no useful way for it to be debugged by us
[18:44] <superm1> they'd have to reconstruct the trace with the debug symbols on their end
[18:44] <bryce> mm
[18:45] <mvo> thanks superm1
[18:45] <mvo> bryce: out of curiosity, do they have a internal bugzilla (or something similar?)
[18:46] <bryce> mvo, yep
[18:46] <mvo> but its so internal, that we can not forward directly?
[18:46] <bryce> correct
[18:46] <mvo> oh well
[18:46] <mvo> thanks
[18:46] <superm1> afaik, whenever they enter an internal bug into it, it's called an EPR, and that's the same number that is given in release notes when they get it closed up
[18:47] <bryce> in fact they typically won't even give me the numbers for the internal bugs
[18:57] <bryce> superm1: ok mail sent
[19:35] <bryce> okay, I've broken up the Hotkeys document into a couple sub-pages.  Same quantity of text, but hopefully that makes it less intimidating to look at and edit
[19:35] <bryce> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys
[19:54] <mvo> superm1: silly question, is there a reason why the fglrx-modalises file is called aliases.override ? (but the nvidia ones don't)?
[20:24] <mvo> superm1: do you think we should show a dialog on upgrade asking for confirmation? or just go ahead and replace fglrx with ati (for r300)? given that the r300 are usually well supported by the free driver
[20:48] <superm1> mvo, i was gonna think just replacing it (and removing the xorg-driver-fglrx package of course) since r300 is so well supported by the free driver
[20:49] <superm1> mvo, silly answer is because that's what it was called in the source package and it was easy to install with the same name
[20:50] <mvo> superm1: thanks
[20:50] <mvo> superm1: I have a patch ready I think (but no HW to test if it really works)
[20:51] <superm1> mvo, well my own personal home laptop is r300 and not upgraded yet...
[20:51] <superm1> so I can test it if you give me some direction how to make sure it would go
[20:52] <mvo> superm1: oh, cool. you will not have to do a full upgrade, just enough so that the detection code kciks in :)
[20:53] <mvo> currently I recycled some strings in http://paste.ubuntu.com/64289/ - but the text is *bad*
[20:54] <superm1> mvo, okay so if I see a string resembling that I know it kicked in
[20:55] <mvo> superm1: ok, pleae download http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/test/intrepid-0.93.33.tar.gz and unpack into some tmp directory like /tmp/foo , and run "sudo ./dist-upgrade" from there
[20:56] <mvo> then it should ask you if fglrx should go
[20:56] <mvo> it will only work when fglrx is actually used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:57] <superm1> oh it's going to have to wait a few hours until later i realize.  I don't have fglrx currently enabled (r300 support is nice :)) so i'll have to get to it interactively to enable it and test
[20:57] <superm1> i'll get back to you later on with the results
[20:58] <mvo> superm1: ok, its enough if you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf so that its there, it does not actually check if its running :)
[20:58] <superm1> oh if that's the case, yeah i'll just make the change to xorg.conf and X forward to run the app
[20:59] <mvo> superm1: no rush, I will probably leave soonish for bed anyway and because this is going via a SRU it will take a couple of days until it hits the archive
[20:59] <mvo> but feedback is very nice, thanks a lot for your help with this!
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> bryce, i got your e-mail about the hotkey troubleshooting wiki. i'll have a look at that over the next couple of days
[21:06] <bryce> chrisccoulson: thanks, and if you can work on improving it, it'd help a lot
[21:06] <chrisccoulson> i'll see what i can do. i did a build of gnome-power-manager last night with support for your non-functioning hotkey
[21:07] <bryce> chrisccoulson: after you've had time time to add your thoughts, then I can shop it around to some other folks (e.g. hal and pm-utils) and try to get their contributions
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> i've uploaded it to my PPA if you want to try it out
[21:08] <bryce> ok cool, link me
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive
[21:09] <superm1> mvo, well w/ fglrx in xorg.conf it made it to the stage that it's fetching packages
[21:09] <superm1> mvo, so should  that message have already come up?
[21:17] <mvo> superm1: yes, it should be there before the final confirmation dialog (the one with 2000 packages are going to be upgraded etc)
[21:18] <mvo> superm1: hrm, if it did not appear for you, could you please email me the output of your "lspci -n" ? mvo (at) ubuntu.com
[21:19] <superm1> mvo, sure
[21:49] <seb128_> bryce: what do you expect applications to do when the xserver says there is insuffisant ressources to play a video?
[21:50] <bryce> seb128_: probably behave similarly as if the system was out of disk space or out of RAM
[21:50] <seb128_> bryce: and how much resources are required to play a video nowadays? go tell users than they videocard is not able to play a video
[21:51] <seb128_> bryce: I think they would laugh in our face if the player was displaying "your videocard is not able to play a video"
[21:51] <bryce> seb128_: well what are you suggesting?
[21:51] <seb128_> that seems an xorg issue to me
[21:52] <bryce> seb128_: and as you'll note, I marked it as such, and linked to the upstream bug #
[21:52] <seb128_> you are really saying that modern graphic cards resources are too limited to play a video on some configs?
[21:52] <seb128_> will, I just don't think that's an application issue
[21:52] <seb128_> what is using the video ressources in a standard ubuntu installation?
[21:53] <bryce> seb128_: so you think crashing in this case is an acceptable application behavior?
[21:53] <seb128_> can we ask them to close some softwares? does it depends of what is on screen?
[21:54] <seb128_> no, but I don't think displaying a "you don't have enough resources to play a video" is going to be much better
[21:54] <seb128_> what could the message suggest them to do to solve the issue?
[21:54] <ScottK> "Go buy a better video card"
[21:54] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:56] <bryce> seb128_: well it looks like using compiz + XAA + Totem is a bad combination.  Turning off Compiz, or switching to EXA sounds like it'd solve it
[21:57] <seb128_> they are not using xaa I think, or is that the default?
[21:57] <bryce> at least for -ati.  For the Me-Too'er with -intel, he probably has some other issue
[21:57] <seb128_> ok
[21:57] <bryce> for -ati it is still the default, since there are potential corruption issues still when EXA is used.  I am investigating switching to EXA by default for Jaunty
[21:57] <seb128_> cool
[21:57] <bryce> for -intel, EXA is the default, but some people still use XAA for whatever reason
[21:58] <seb128_> is there any tools which give the resource usage?
[21:58] <seb128_> ie how much is available and what is using what?
[21:58] <bryce> I think so, hang on
 heya, I'm wondering if we should look at changing from XAA to EXA in Jaunty.  Do you have some advice there?
[21:59] <bryce>  from bug reporters who have tried EXA with -ati so far there are still some issues, however others report that by switching it solved even worse issues.  But I'd like to get your thoughts.
 yeah, I'd say definitely.
[21:59] <bryce>  we'll probably make EXA the default in the driver once the EXA glyph cache stuff gets into distros
[22:00] <seb128_> good to know
[22:14] <bryce> seb128_: xrestop can be used to display resource usage
[22:15] <seb128_> bryce: thanks
[22:15] <bryce> seb128_:  xrestop -b | grep -A 15 totem  may be of use
[22:16] <bryce> (from the xrestop man page)


[00:11] <zequence> amd64 raring uninstallable. I think it might be for all ubuntu flavors
[00:16] <zequence> seems like it's a bug in ubiquity that has to do with a certain amount of pre-existing ubuntu installs on several partitions
[00:19] <len-dt> Somebody else ran into that too.
[00:31] <zequence> Yeah, found a bug report for it. Apparently cjwatson was requesting logs from a debug mode install. Will try that now
[00:45] <zequence> Whenever you do something smart, you find a bug
[00:46] <zequence> ..or stupid
[00:50] <zequence> I guess I can go ahead and install with netinstall for now
[00:50] <zequence> Just not optimal
[00:52] <zequence> ..if I can find it
[00:57] <zequence> found it
[01:12] <zequence> Seems like it's nog ubiquity at all, but the partioner
[01:19] <zequence> Well, seems like I'm one install short. Annoying
[01:19] <zequence> gn
[09:10] <zequence> funny. today the netinstall worked
[09:10] <zequence> maybe my computer was just being sleepy and confused yesterday, just like me?
[09:49] <zequence> and ubiquity also worked, but only once. Arrgh, no debug on that!
[18:35] <ScottL> i added synfigstudio to the graphcis and video seeds. whenever the metas get updated is okay (i think)
[18:35] <ScottL> ..
[18:36] <ScottL> micahg, are you going to uds in may? i think i should be going and i look forward to seeing you again
[18:36] <ScottL> micahg, also, while i'm thinking about it, do you want to discuss a plan for someone else to update the meta files (if you feel comfortable with someone else doing it, that is)
[18:43] <zequence> I think the best thing would be for one of us to get upload rights, but the question is, how soon would that be realistically possible?