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[04:17] <mup> Bug #1690781 changed: Compose machine failure: Start tag expected, '<' not found, line 1, column 1 <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690781>
[04:17] <mup> Bug #1863166 changed: 0203_interface_node_name_duplicates_delete.py raises an exception with discovered Interfaces <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1863166>
[04:17] <mup> Bug #1892060 changed: Pod unable to compose machine: ['MAAS DHCP must be enabled on at least one VLAN attached to the specified interfaces.'] <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892060>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1690781 opened: Compose machine failure: Start tag expected, '<' not found, line 1, column 1 <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690781>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1863166 opened: 0203_interface_node_name_duplicates_delete.py raises an exception with discovered Interfaces <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1863166>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1892060 opened: Pod unable to compose machine: ['MAAS DHCP must be enabled on at least one VLAN attached to the specified interfaces.'] <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892060>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1690781 changed: Compose machine failure: Start tag expected, '<' not found, line 1, column 1 <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690781>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1863166 changed: 0203_interface_node_name_duplicates_delete.py raises an exception with discovered Interfaces <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1863166>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1892060 changed: Pod unable to compose machine: ['MAAS DHCP must be enabled on at least one VLAN attached to the specified interfaces.'] <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892060>


[09:57] <gerry__> 我已升级到最新版本，怎么原来的仓库不能用了？
[09:58] <gerry__> 有人没？
[20:34] <drab> hi
[21:35] <drab> I'm having problems with sogou taking over the indicator panel/keyboard switcher, is that expected?


[01:36] <Unit193> This is true.
[08:59] <knome> right, so there is some software that allows you to do silly things if you are silly?
[09:00] <Unit193> Surely.
[09:33] <knome> eugh.
[09:33] <knome> i guess it would be still worth the while to answer that poor guy
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
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[12:33] <bryce> bdmurray: hrm, don't know why that'd be
[12:36] <bdmurray> bryce: does it look at xresprobe or not anymore?
[12:41] <bryce> yeah still uses xresprobe
[12:42] <bryce> the one change since yesterday was dropping a patch that causes i810 to get screen corruption during install
[12:43] <bryce> so if that's what caused the resolution regression (which is not unlikely), then it's at least a trade-off in the right direction
[12:49] <bdmurray> and the right way to run xresprobe is 'sudo xresprobe vidoedriver' correct?
[12:56] <bdmurray> The /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows 1280x800 as a valid mode line
[12:56] <bdmurray> But xresprobe intel shows 1024x768
[12:57] <bryce> yup
[12:57] <bdmurray> yup?
[01:10] <bryce> wow, that was exciting
[01:14] <bdmurray> Was there a fire? earthquake?
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #72940 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Framebuffer (kernel bootflag) locks up X after hibernate" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72940
[01:32] <ubotu> New bug: #93077 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Non-exsisting layouts" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93077
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #141609 in xorg (main) "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #24452 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "No 3d acceleration with ATI RADEON 9550" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/24452
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #68843 in console-setup (main) "croatian keyboard is broken in installation of ubuntu server, kubuntu and xubuntu - 6.10 (dup-of: 93077)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68843
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #69469 in console-setup (main) "Slovenian keyboard does not work in text installer (dup-of: 93077)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69469
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112707 in console-setup (main) "Keyboard not working properly when installing Feisty Fawn (Xubuntu) (dup-of: 93077)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112707
[02:00] <bryce> bdmurray: nah, I'm working on upgrading my main dev box from feisty to gutsy, and it lost its mind
[02:01] <bdmurray> bryce: hunh, I guess I will postpone that then


[00:07] <vorlon> jbicha: I don't see anything in that bug log that explains to me that pcre3 "is going to be around for a while".  Because some subset of those packages are not yet ported / portable?  which ones?
[00:08] <jbicha> the list of incompletes in 1792544 is too long and no one is working on several of them (glib for instance)
[00:09] <infinity> No one's porting glib to pcre2?  That seems like quite the oversight.
[00:46] <doko> infinity: there's an analysis at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913626
[00:47] <infinity> doko: Yeah, I was pointed at that.  I really dislike upstream's "we don't like the way new ICU builds, so we insist on using the vendored library" position, but it's in universe, so whatever.  The only fix we need right now, I guess, is the big-endian blob being included in the source.
[01:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.21+really2.2.20-0ubuntu3 => 2.2.32-0ubuntu1~18.10.1] (ubuntu-cloud)
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[02:44] <infinity> doko: That s390x nodejs test wasn't "flaky", it was pointing at a regression in libuv1.
[05:13] <vorlon> infinity: so we should roll back the nodejs package in -proposed and cancel the tests?
[05:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1027.32]
[05:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-40.43]
[05:20] <vorlon> well, I guess you've rolled forward; and there's no reason to prefer 0ubuntu3 to 0ubuntu5 since it also didn't get previous tests due to the build failure
[06:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-12.13] (core, kernel)
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[08:03]  * mwhudson blinks at all the cinder autopkgtest failures
[09:38] <jamespage> vorlon, coreycb: the minimum version spec on erlang depends for rmq is foobar - its broken with 20.x, OK with 21.x
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: poppler [i386] (disco-proposed/main) [0.71.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-12.13]
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-12.13]
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: poppler [i386] (disco-proposed/main) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [armhf] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu1]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [armhf] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu1]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted poppler [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.71.0-0ubuntu2]
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-40.43]
[12:16] <xnox> infinity, do i want to know what libuv1 is?
[12:18] <xnox> infinity, re: big endian r-cran-stringi... do you want me to build 61 icu the way upstream wants it, and bundle the right .zip?
[12:19]  * xnox checks if i can download that off somewhere
[12:26] <ginggs> xnox: i've switched r-cran-stringi to build with bundled icu55 on s390x
[12:26] <ginggs> it passes autopkgtests, was just about to upload
[12:26] <xnox> ginggs, why icu55, and not icu61? they bundle icu61 too
[12:26] <ginggs> i found the big-endian data for icu55, but not icu61
[12:26] <xnox> ginggs, cause on other arches it ends up using icu4c bundled icu61.
[12:27] <xnox> ginggs, hmmmm. ok. but i'd rather rebuild icu61 data for big endian.
[12:27] <xnox> ginggs, go ahead with your upload. will upgrade to icu61 if i manage to get it done.
[12:27] <ginggs> xnox: ack
[12:32] <ginggs> xnox: if you do find/generate an icudt61b.dat, you can send it to me and i'll upload
[12:39] <jamespage> hi - could the NEW hvac packages for bionic-backports be accepted please :-)
[12:43] <coreycb> mwhudson: i think cinder autopkgtests should be fixed with the latest upload
[12:44] <coreycb> ah, looks like all the dependency uploads yesterday ran the old version's tests
[12:57] <xnox> ginggs, well i compiled icudt61b.dat locally, by rebuilding icu 61, with unicode bit thing disabled, with icudata file exported as .dat file.
[13:20] <ginggs> xnox: i see it on github thanks!
[15:05] <doko> demote the new poppler qt binary packages
[15:05] <doko> demoted even
[15:08] <jbicha> doko: could you demote the extra udisk2 and libblockdev packages in -proposed too?
[15:19] <doko> demoted the two new udisks binaries
[15:20] <doko> and libblockdev-vdo2
[15:49] <vorlon> jamespage: so updating rabbitmq-server to have a versioned dep will fix it?
[15:51] <jbicha> thanks
[15:58] <vorlon> seb128: we have massive entangled transitions right now; I'm reverting your poppler upload out of disco-proposed, it can come back once the rest of the knot is through
[15:58] <seb128> vorlon, *shrug*
[15:59] <doko> seb128: you could help by addressing the two new texlive-bin deps
[15:59] <seb128> vorlon, I'm going to state again what I wrote in my emails, it would be good to have shared knowledges of what's going on and wht we are expected to be able to do/not do, out of doing work and being told for doing it
[15:59] <seb128> doko, what texlive-bin deps? and not this week sorry
[16:00] <doko> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/teckit/+bug/1803230 (mentioned on -desktop two days ago as well)
[16:01] <seb128> doko, k, well I have a look next week if I reach that part of my todo
[16:02] <seb128> I was probably not on IRC when you asked on -desktop
[16:37] <rbasak> I'm going to be syncing mysql-5.7 soon, which will be the first rebuild of it in Disco. Would you prefer me to wait?
[16:39] <doko> rbasak: if it doesn't start a new transition, that looks ok
[16:39] <rbasak> No new transition. OK, thanks.
[16:40] <rbasak> (MySQL 8.0 will bring a transition but we're not quite ready to upload that yet; we are planning it this cycle though)
[16:42] <jbicha> rbasak: could one of you look into the pgagent autopkgtest failures? it's holding up the postgresql-11 transition which is entangled with icu & everything
[16:45] <rbasak> jbicha: ack
[16:55] <jbicha> rbasak: oh I guess postgresql is not entangled with icu
[16:55] <vorlon> it is
[16:55] <vorlon> indirectly
[16:55] <vorlon> IIRC
[17:01] <jbicha> rbasak: never mind pgagent. It looks like I need to rebuild it so let's see if that fixes the autopkgtests
[17:02] <rbasak> OK
[17:02]  * rbasak stops looking
[17:31] <vorlon> jbicha: mythtv appears to need sourceful updates for the new libx264 (entangled in the big transition right now). Any ideas?
[17:34] <jbicha> vorlon: um, maybe we could find ricotz and ask him about x264?
[17:38] <jbicha> vorlon: should we delete https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/tree/supported-kiosk ?
[17:40] <vorlon> jbicha: it's still used to anchor the mir stack in main, which is supported by the Security Team, for kiosks
[17:40] <vorlon> jbicha: is it triggering unwanted MIRs?
[17:42] <jbicha> vorlon: oh I see, libmiral-dev is still in Ubuntu. Can I delete the other 2 lines since they don't exist?
[17:42] <jbicha> it's not triggering anything but it shows up when I grep for Qt stuff
[17:43] <vorlon> sure
[17:43] <vorlon> it is generally the case that no-longer-existent binary packages can be dropped from seeds
[17:43] <xnox> vorlon, jbicha - huh?!
[17:44] <vorlon> xnox: qtubuntu-desktop ENOENT
[17:44] <jbicha> and there is no package named miral but libmiral-dev does exist
[17:44] <xnox> mir now can talk directly
[17:45] <xnox> vorlon, right, but i was expecting that one needs to seed the new thing back in, as to whatever qtubuntu was providing probably has now moved into qt itself?!
[17:45] <xnox> jbicha, it's all built out of a combined src:mir i believe now.
[17:45] <xnox> vorlon, as in doesn't kiosk still relies on qt, and that it should still be supported?
[17:45] <vorlon> xnox: hahahaha
[17:46] <vorlon> xnox: well, we're demoting qt
[17:46] <vorlon> xnox: unless the mir team wants to adopt it, I guess
[17:46] <xnox> Saviq, does kiosk use qt?
[17:47] <xnox> Saviq, cause with qtubuntu removal and demotion out of kiosk seed, nothing now pulls in qt as supported...
[17:48] <jbicha> xnox: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/removing-mozc-utils-gui-from-19-04/8717 is the last thing pulling Qt in to main so we are seriously looking at demoting mozc-utils-gui
[17:54] <Saviq> xnox: no it doesn't
[17:54] <Saviq> Multipass does, however
[17:54] <Saviq> qtbase and qtnetwork
[17:55] <jbicha> Saviq: multipass is Snap-only? so its deps don't technically need to be in main, right?
[17:56] <vorlon> :)
[17:56] <Saviq> Technically no, but somehow we'd need security team to look at those
[17:57] <Saviq> But we might need a different deal with the security team anyway as we're building a lot of our deps from source
[17:58] <vorlon> Saviq: yes, I think you want to sign the Security Team up for qt-as-used-by-multipath, not qt-as-used-by-anything-in-Ubuntu
[17:59] <Saviq> Your keyboard had a lisp, vorlon ;)
[18:00] <Saviq> mine has typos apparently ;)
[18:11] <jbicha> rbasak: I think the remaining postgres11 blockers are pgaudit/s390x & postgresql-h11/armhf/i386/s390x autopkgtest failures
[18:13] <vorlon> a lisp?
[18:14] <vorlon> oh hah
[18:14] <vorlon> multipathss
[18:14] <tsimonq2> vorlon: What's this Bionic upload from April? :P
[18:14] <vorlon> tsimonq2: hmm?
[18:15] <tsimonq2> vorlon: mythexport
[18:15] <vorlon> tsimonq2: demote-to-proposed
[18:15] <tsimonq2> ahhhh
[18:15] <tsimonq2> ack
[18:25] <vorlon> acheronuk: do you have a build of fotoxx you want sponsored into the archive?
[18:26] <vorlon> acheronuk: (LP: #1803511, as I'm working through the remaining blockers for icu and friends)
[18:28] <acheronuk> vorlon: woudl likely be ok in the ~ppa2 suffix was dropped: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/disco/+sourcepub/9584244/+listing-archive-extra
[18:28] <acheronuk> *would
[18:29] <vorlon> acheronuk: ok
[18:32] <vorlon> acheronuk: had to run update-maintainer, otherwise good to go - uploaded
[18:36] <vorlon> siril similarly ftbfs with glibc 2.28; candidate for removal from disco release pocket, but ought to have a bug filed in Debian first
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fotoxx [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [18.07.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:44] <acheronuk> vorlon: thanks :)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-iscsi (bionic-proposed/main) [2.0.874-5ubuntu2.3 => 2.0.874-5ubuntu2.4] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-iscsi (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.874-5ubuntu9 => 2.0.874-5ubuntu9.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[19:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fotoxx [amd64] (disco-proposed) [18.07.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:13] <vorlon> tsimonq2: klinkstatus ftbfs with new tidy-html5.  I suggest removing the package, in light of LP: #1757699
[19:13] <vorlon> tsimonq2: n/m, that's exactly what acheronuk wrote on the bug ;P
[19:14] <vorlon> acheronuk: ^^ not that I would've necessarily noticed it any sooner, but you can subscribe ubuntu-archive in such cases
[19:15] <acheronuk> ack
[19:15] <jbicha> acheronuk: btw, see bug 1757809
[19:18] <vorlon> libxml2 currently blocked by asterisk/i386, which looks dodgy; trying to reproduce that now and will probably skiptest libxml2 to move the transition further along if it gets too hairy
[19:33] <ginggs> vorlon: i think you can 'force-badtest r-cran-maxlik/1.3-4-4/amd64' - regressed in release (if i triggered the test correctly) and i think due to glibc
[19:34] <ginggs> also 'force-badtest dask/0.17.5-2/amd64' it has regressed in release since cloudpickle 0.5.6-1 migrated
[19:43] <acheronuk> libvoikko might need? https://github.com/voikko/corevoikko/pull/34
[19:43] <gitbot> voikko issue (Pull request) 34 in corevoikko "Adapt to the namespace changes in hfst-ospell" [Closed]
[19:44] <vorlon> ginggs: confirmed, hints added for both, thanks
[19:45] <ginggs> vorlon: ta
[19:52] <mwhudson> coreycb: i did wonder if it was something like that
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[20:24] <vorlon> acheronuk: thanks for the voikko pointer, build testing and uploading
[20:36] <coreycb> mwhudson: do i need to do anything to get them to re-run with the new version of cinder?
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.32-0ubuntu1~18.10.1]
[20:37] <coreycb> maybe just clicking on the recycle icon will do it but it seems that would run the old version
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.2.32-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[20:39] <vorlon> coreycb: you need to fix the package to actually have a versioned dependency on the version of erlang that it requires
[20:39] <vorlon> not just fake it by rerunning tests
[20:39] <vorlon> coreycb: oh, you're talking cinder, not rabbitmq, wait sorry
[20:40] <vorlon> coreycb: in which case yeah, just jump up and down on the retry buttons
[20:40] <coreycb> vorlon: ok. i think i have a fix for rmq btw but need to run it by james in the morning.
[21:08] <mwhudson> coreycb: well if cinder has migrated then just retry
[21:08] <mwhudson> coreycb: if it hasn't, then you need to hand-mangle the retry url afaik
[21:08] <mwhudson> (append &trigger=cinder/$new_ver to the url)
[21:10] <coreycb> mwhudson: ok yeah it's migrated, thanks.
[21:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io [source] (xenial-proposed) [18.06.1-0ubuntu1~16.04.2]
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[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mythtv [amd64] (disco-proposed) [2:29.1+fixes.20180414.329c235-0ubuntu5]
[22:25] <jbicha> doko: it doesn't like the libblockdev & udisks2 demotions went through
[22:25] <jbicha> look
[22:31] <infinity> jbicha: Fixing.
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[23:47] <vorlon> tsimonq2, acheronuk[m]: should kde-baseapps have been removed? it's still the package which built konq-plugins on ppc64el and s390x, and there is currently not uploadable because it tries to build various packages that have been taken over by other sources
[23:48] <vorlon> seems komparator might need a rebuild for this
[23:49] <vorlon> hmm, no, would need more than a rebuild


[17:35] <wxl> phillw: np ;)
[17:37] <phillw> I'll start a rally call for testers to grab an iso over the weekend to make it faster for them come tuesday. They can have a 'play' with them on VMs and ask questions about setting up a VM system is unsure.
[17:37] <wxl> sounds great. thanks a ton, phillw
[17:37] <wxl> you are, as always, the best ;)
[17:37] <phillw> me and rafaellaguna are now co comms team TL's :)
[17:37] <wxl> oooooh
[17:37] <wxl> nice!
[17:38]  * wxl makes phillw and rafaellaguna a blueprint to get us a permanent comms TL and backup ;)
[17:38] <phillw> kris is too busy and silverlion is starting his new job next week, which includes a lot of training
[17:39] <phillw> as rafaellaguna is marketing dude, it makes sense for him to be my second on comms. That way, we have cover.
[17:39] <wxl> sure
[17:39] <wxl> so he'd be backup
[17:40] <ianorlin>  bug 1466927 seemed to have an east fix but not sure if it is the best fix
[17:40] <phillw> he is both backup and co-TL .. only LP can only have 1 TL without me making a new TL team for just me and rafaellaguna which is just bl**dy messy!
[17:41] <wxl> ah right
[17:43] <phillw> I think he just needs G+ access now.. I'll check with him
[17:47]  * wxl is going to package the latest trunk of LibreCAD in a PPA soon if anyone's into that kind of thing.
[17:47] <wxl> we're trying to get rid of commercial CAD software at work
[17:48] <wxl> latest trunk includes some options to make it deal with AutoCAD-created DXFs better
[17:51] <ahoneybun> hey all
[18:13] <phillw> hi ahoneybun
[18:13] <phillw> sorry, was setting up a wifi --> ethernet device
[18:13] <ahoneybun> hey phillw


[00:18] <lord_> hi
[02:45] <Guest33214> Hola
[02:47] <fernando_> hola
[02:47] <fernando_> alguien habla español?
[04:18] <yutayu> how is your rpi ?
[04:19] <yutayu> with mate?
[04:19] <yutayu> faster than raspbian?
[04:31] <Guest63255> running 18o4 w/4.16 kernel.  Would like to hear other opinions on this kernel.
[05:35] <alkisg> yutayu: rpi is always slooooow because its cpu was designed as a mobile phone cpu, years ago; it can't be a desktop pc
[05:35] <alkisg> That said, I'm currently using one to silently VNC into my desktop PC
[05:42] <yutayu> ! alkisg
[05:43] <yutayu> okay , I use raspbian :)
[05:43] <alkisg> yutayu: they have the same speed
[05:43] <alkisg> Use whatever you prefer
[05:43] <alkisg> I tried both and I'm using mate, because that's what I'm also using on my desktop pc
[05:44] <yutayu> I see.
[05:44] <yutayu> I wanted to use faster .
[05:44] <alkisg> They're the same wrt speed
[05:44] <yutayu> I see.
[05:45] <yutayu> ah , can you use flashplugin on mate ? alkisg
[05:45] <kendell> I really like mate. I do wish the indicator applets were a tad more accessible but the bugs are minor
[05:45] <yutayu> I see kendell
[05:45] <kendell> accessible=usable with a screen reader
[05:46] <alkisg> yutayu: I don't think adobe released a flash version for armhf, did they?
[05:46] <yutayu> raspbian has flashplugin alkisg
[05:46] <alkisg> Then the same can be installed in mate too
[05:46] <alkisg> It's a matter of adobe, not of linux distros
[05:46]  * kendell isn't so sure about flash. I always remove it from all stock ubuntu installs because I ahve no use for it. Flash content is never accessible with a screen reader and I despise drm
[05:47]  * kendell sees what I can dig up about armv. Afaik, flash is proprietary, so unless adobe can recompile it for armv it either won't work or ... maybe, through some sort of compatibility layor ...
[05:48] <kendell> I really like all the work the ubuntu mate guys have put into ubuntu mate to make it accessible, not just to blind users but also people who need on screen keyboards, and magnifiers. Mate no longer needs to be explicitly told to have accessibility on, it's always on now that's OS software for ya
[05:49] <kendell> ok, infomercial over, lol
[05:49] <alkisg> kendell: what software are you installing upon mate for accessibility?
[05:49] <alkisg> Some teachers are asking me for students, and I only know of orca which is preinstalled...
[05:50] <kendell> it comes with everything you could need. Orca, which is a screen reader, onboard, which is an onscreen keyboard and ... oh what's that magnifier called? It would be great if that's al it did, but it also makes sure the login manager is accessible, which is a lot easier now than it used to be
[05:52] <kendell> I sort of wish ubuntu mate came with deluge instead of tramismission, but they're both good bit torrent clients. I think deluge is a tad more accessible but that's just me. I can use either. It comes with media players, an office suite, a web browser, email client ... and all that on a portable flash drive. Six years later and I'm still amazed that linux can be carried around
[10:28] <jeremies> Do you know some job to collaborate with ubuntu mate?
[10:40] <alkisg> I don't think ubuntu mate has jobs; canonical has jobs
[10:41] <alkisg> https://www.canonical.com/careers
[10:54] <vitalkanev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251863047587627008/422344707226599424/IMG_20180307_131349.jpg when booting up the laptop. Screen isn't broken
[10:55] <alkisg> What does that show, the top of a blank screen?
[10:56] <alkisg> If so, that doesn't provide any information... when did that happen, what did you previously do that might have caused it, etc etc...
[10:57] <vitalkanev> This was caused after I booted my laptop with grub-pc version 2.02~beta3-4ubuntu7.2
[10:58] <alkisg> That grub version is normal for 17.10; do you mean that you have another version and you manually installed that one?
[10:58] <alkisg> *had
[13:52] <excalibr> Hi
[13:53] <excalibr> what's the deal sha256sum of the iso on the download page not matching one shown on the page
[14:14] <alkisg> excalibr: which iso filename are you trying, and what's your md5sum?
[14:41] <agoodname> something weird has happened
[14:41] <agoodname> i haven't done this myself
[14:41] <agoodname> but i'm subscribed to some news outlets
[14:41] <agoodname> that popup when i start my ubuntu
[14:41] <agoodname> it happened after an update
[14:42] <agoodname> how do i remove this?
[14:43] <kendell> can anyone help me find where to fine an accessibility bug? I'm using the indicator applets for the mate panel, and while they do work with orca, they don't announce the name of the menus. In other words, orca says "menu" when switching indicator menus instead of "system menu" "battery menu" etc. Is the indicator thing ubuntu specific or can it work on other distros as well? That'll help me figure out where the bug sho
[14:50] <diogenes_> agoodname, gotta a screenshot of the popup?
[14:51] <agoodname> will take one when it comes up
[14:51] <diogenes_> ok
[14:51] <agoodname> doesn't matter if i right click or left click, it just takes me to the site
[14:51] <agoodname> it's just a small box with a title and some short info
[14:51] <diogenes_> meanwhile check the startup applicATIONS
[14:51] <diogenes_> applications*
[14:53] <agoodname> nothing there that's out of the ordinary
[17:49] <mate|yoghi> salve a tutti,ho un problema :  macchina hp
[17:51] <mate|yoghi> formattato tutto.istallato  Mate 17-10-15 da un paio di mesi, tutto molto bello fino a oggi
[17:53] <mate|yoghi> fa i capricci ad accendersi e anche a spegnersi, e poi non mi istalla gli aggiornamenti....
[17:56] <mate|yoghi> mi dice  SCARICAMENTO DELLE INFORMAZIONI DEL REPOSITORY NON RIUSCITO...( controllare la propria connessione a internet )
[17:57] <mate|yoghi> fatto, ma quando vado x aggiornare il softw mi dice sempre quello..
[17:58] <mate|yoghi> soluzioni ????
[17:59] <mate|yoghi> che faccio disistallo e istallo la 16-4,  oppure mi butto su mint ???
[18:00] <diogenes_> !it | mate|yoghi
[18:12] <mate|96726> Hello
[20:00] <davide> FIREFOX don't work.go crash,help me
[20:01] <davide_> firefox go on crash,help me.Thanks
[20:08] <diogenes_> davide_, raspberry PI?
[20:19] <davide_> yes raspberry p3
[20:33] <alkisg> davide_, it's a known issue, use firefox esr or downgrade to the firefox provided by xenial, not xenial-updates
[20:33] <alkisg> I don't know why they haven't fixed it for months now
[23:01] <pi_> hi


[10:56] <hann1bal_de> hey there!
[10:57] <hann1bal_de> anyone here, who can help me with a java-printing problem under ubuntu 7.04 feisty?
[10:57] <hann1bal_de> the standart java-api for printing, only prints empty pages, or the postscript-code
[10:58] <hann1bal_de> I just used suns HelloWorldPrint example
[10:58] <hann1bal_de> neither my network printer, nor my pdf-printer seem to print anything but emtpy pages
[10:58] <hann1bal_de> And I havent found anything about that on the net
[11:19] <man-di> there was some issue regarding Java and CUPS
[11:19] <hann1bal_de> is there a workaround?
[11:19] <man-di> I dont remember the solution but you should be able to find it via google
[11:20] <hann1bal_de> been searching for 3h now, any key-words I might have missed?
[11:20] <man-di> java cups printing?
[11:21] <hann1bal_de> hmm okay
[11:21] <hann1bal_de> thanks
[11:22] <man-di> http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L433+I0+TFAQ+M10+P1+Q
[11:28] <hann1bal_de> stills prints empty pages
[11:31] <hann1bal_de> okay, now it prints the first line of the postscript file...
[11:33] <hann1bal_de> and 6 more white pages
[11:50] <hann1bal_de> omg, by removing this line
[11:50] <hann1bal_de> << /DeferredMediaSelection true /PageSize [595.2755737304688<PHONE_NUMBER>078125]  /ImagingBBox null /ManualFeed false /NumCopies 1 >> setpagedevice
[11:50] <hann1bal_de> from the postscriptfile it works...
[11:51] <man-di> doesnt sound like a preferred solution :-/
[11:53] <hann1bal_de> not at all, since its gonna be an end-user application
[11:53] <hann1bal_de> so ps-generation is buggy


[16:33] <philipballew> theShirbiny, how goes it today?
[16:39] <theShirbiny> philipballew, all good here, thans for asking :)
[16:39] <theShirbiny> you?
[17:27] <philipballew> theShirbiny, alright. Im just at my work today
[17:27] <philipballew> the zesty thing
[18:01] <theShirbiny> philipballew, How did that go? :D
[18:01] <theShirbiny> I saw an email about "How to convert content from other cms" or something like that
[18:02] <philipballew> theShirbiny, so far so good. I am sending out a newsletter. The email you got was probably announcing our meetup.
[18:02] <philipballew> If you are ever in California I'll show you the office for sure
[18:02] <theShirbiny> Thanks philipballew :)
[18:03] <philipballew> theShirbiny, have you ever left your part of the world?
[18:03] <theShirbiny> nope
[18:03] <theShirbiny> by left you mean NA?
[18:04] <philipballew> theShirbiny, well have you ever been out of north Africa/Middle East?
[18:04] <theShirbiny> nope
[18:05] <philipballew> theShirbiny, ah, no worries. I think every place in the world is just a bunch of people doing the same thing every day
[18:06] <philipballew> We might have a few too many crazy people here in the USA though
[18:06] <theShirbiny> yup xD


[09:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:08] <penguin42> hmm,  I wonder which item of my browsing history makes Amazon suggest UHT Semi skimmed milk proportions
[13:08] <penguin42> ^pro^
[13:10] <penguin42> Television, skimmed milk, ic, phone case, breadboard, resistors, phone, pc, audio cable   - hmmm
[13:54] <zmoylan-pi> my money would be the phone case as it sounds like you might be a hipster who spends all their money on smartphones and paraphanalea.  and uht last forever as it's crap :-p
[13:54] <zmoylan-pi> just one step removed from the dogs milk :-D
[13:55] <shauno> I'm missing the link between the two.  surely if it has him flagged as a hipster, it'd be omgorganic alpacca milk or something?
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> they probably know about his donation to peta
[15:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:55]  * penguin42 is sure bigcalm is getting later
[15:56] <bigcalm> penguin42: I was busy at oggcamp. Relaxing in my hotel now. Just had a nap, so it could be morning for all I know
[15:57] <penguin42> ah
[17:05] <foobarry> about to replace OS on a laptop with encrypted home
[17:06] <foobarry> what precautions do i take if i want to keep /home?
[17:08] <foobarry> got a copy of ecrypy-unwrap-passphrase passwd
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: I have done this one 3 separate nachine [desktop, mini & netbook].  I took the precation of backing up the home drive each time.  All 3 times it proved fully ok & backup not needed.  Though I do recommend writing down *& storing* the uncrypt long phrase at end of install.
[17:11] <foobarry> ta
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: np
[17:26] <penguin42> foobarry: I tend to use LUKS; but just make sure you know how to decrypt from a rescue CD
[20:36] <popey> evening all
[20:37] <brobostigon> evening hrh popey
[20:40] <diddledan>  m00
[20:41] <daftykins> what-o o/
[20:42]  * popey is pooped
[20:43] <popey> two weekends of conferences in a row
[20:43] <daftykins> cor!
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> next weekend, the conference on how to handle conferences
[21:52] <daftykins> why do they always put it last :(
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> so you can sleep during the lecture
[21:55] <daftykins> i pushed the boat out tonight and bought some beer
[21:55] <daftykins> pretty confident my head injury has abated now
[21:55] <brobostigon> or drink so much coffee and have so much caffeine, you make yourself abit manic.
[21:56] <daftykins> lol
[21:56] <daftykins> oddly caffeine doesn't do anything to me
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> how much caffine do you take?
[21:57] <brobostigon> depends on how much here, if its below about 15/20 cups inside a day, i am fine,
[21:57] <shauno> coffee I'm fine with, but if I get too much blood in my coffeestream, things go downhill
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> stay indoors people... http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=-3.07,51.59,2480
[22:01] <snarfit> http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=-3.07,51.59,2480: earth :: an animated map of global wind, weather, and ocean conditions
[22:02] <shauno> yeah :D  my side of ireland is just white.  rock on.


[08:54] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, hi, any update about the torbrowser-launcher Focsl SRU sponsor? :)
[08:54] <AsciiWolf> *Focal
[11:42] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, let me know if there is anything else needed to do from my side about the torbrowser-launcher SRU
[11:43] <AsciiWolf> thanks :)
[12:13] <rbasak> ^ can someone sponsor this for AsciiWolf please? I cannot as I intend to SRu-review it.
[12:47] <ItzSwirlz> Good morning everyone, lets try this again I have patches awaiting for sponsors/reviewiers, if anyone is here activity would be nice
[12:48] <ItzSwirlz> AsciiWolf: meanwhile how's your thing going?
[12:51] <AsciiWolf> ItzSwirlz, hi, still waiting for a sponsor :)
[12:51] <ItzSwirlz> coolio
[12:51] <ItzSwirlz> Can you link your bug report again?
[15:45] <AsciiWolf> ItzSwirlz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbrowser-launcher/+bug/1896085
[15:45] <ItzSwirlz> Cool, looks good


[03:53] <onats> anyone here? just a quick question on PLDT home dsl. are ports being blocked telco side?


[04:42] <doko> tsimonq2: could you have a look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[06:00] <infinity> wxl: Hey, could you apply another round of Democracy(tm) to https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members ?
[12:19] <Bert_2> Hi, we're updating our webworkers from 16.04 to 18.04 and noticed there's a bit of a problem in 18.04 with libcurl. Both libcurl3 and libcurl4 actually supply .so files for libcurl4 (so that's weird for sure), on top of that some packages depends on the 3 package and others on the 4 package, so that leaves it difficult to keep everything installed (php-curl requires 4, shibboleth requires 3)
[12:19] <Bert_2> So, is that a mistake or what's the idea behind that?
[13:33] <mdeslaur> xnox: ^
[13:34] <mdeslaur> xnox: is the libcurl3 package support to provide libcurl.so.4, in conflict with libcurl4?
[13:35] <mdeslaur> s/support/supposed/
[13:35] <TJ-> bug #1776489
[13:38] <juliank> this seems so wrong
[13:40] <Bert_2> juliank: I agree
[13:44] <mdeslaur> oh, looks like libcurl3 has been shipping libcurl.so.4 for a long time
[13:49] <TJ-> there's a note in the changelog about it
[14:06] <xnox> Bert_2, mdeslaur, TJ-, juliank - the plan was to remove libcurl3 completely, and move over to libcurl4 throughout..... however, there is a package that not only depends on curl with openssl 1.0 ABI/API. Thus everything in the archive has moved onto libcurl4 with openssl1.1, but xmltooling....
[14:07] <xnox> the only way to keep xmltooling installable and usable to build documentation/packages was to reintroduce libcurl3 with openssl1.0 that ships libcurl4.so =/
[14:07] <xnox> it is extremely bad and ungly
[14:07] <juliank> xnox: why doesn't it ship a libcurl3 so?
[14:07] <juliank> were there other API breaks?
[14:08] <juliank> or a libcurl-openssl1.so.4
[14:08] <xnox> curl ones no, but things that try to access openssl ctx get confused as that has changed.
[14:09] <xnox> juliank, i can't remember the soname mess and why it had to be libcurl4 now, but things would have been broken or something.
[14:09] <juliank> hmm
[14:09] <juliank> odd
[14:09] <xnox> juliank, i'm confused how shibboleth-sp2  is involved, since as per tracker it was only http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/curl4.html xmltooling
[14:09] <xnox> that was the last remaining package that needed libcurl3
[14:10] <xnox> it has libxmltooling7 dep
[14:15] <xnox> juliank, glory detail https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl3/7.58.0-2ubuntu2 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltooling/1.6.4-1ubuntu2
[14:18] <juliank> xnox: details is a strong word
[14:18] <juliank> :D
[14:19] <juliank> I remembber there was something, but not what
[14:20] <TJ-> I've found a major problem with the vagrant-libvirt package on 18.04 where it defaults to attaching its management network to "eth0" with no way to change that, and yet due to persistent network names, eth0 rarely exists, so vagrant boxes fail to start. I've located the upstream issue report and found that latest code has a patch that helps admins configure it now. Would this need to be pulled in via
[14:20] <TJ-> Debian > 18.10 first, then SRU 18.04, or could we pull directly to 18.04 since it breaks vagrant fundamentally?
[14:20] <TJ-> Upstream issue (see my comments at the very end) is https://github.com/vagrant-libvirt/vagrant-libvirt/issues/609
[14:20] <TJ-> I'm about to open an Ubuntu bug to track this
[14:34] <TJ-> Bug #1784229
[14:35] <xnox> Bert_2, so i see xml-security-c v2.0 out which appears to compile fine against openssl 1.1.... i wonder if recompiling all the new things from source is the answer here... to get all the things working.
[14:37] <Bert_2> xnox: well yeah, we can't really compile shib ourselves on these production machines
[14:37] <xnox> Bert_2, i understand.
[14:38] <Bert_2> I mean, we are students and stuff, but the application we run are of a sort of important to a large amount (10-60k) students
[14:38] <xnox> Bert_2, i wonder if we will be able to provide the upgraded curl4/openssl1.1 stack via backports or srus.
[14:38] <Bert_2> and we are struggling to even get shib to run properly with the workaround in the blogpost
[14:39] <Bert_2> xnox: I personally think SRUS would be appropriate in this case, since shib2 is just plain broken right now and it's a universe package anyway
[14:39] <xnox> Bert_2, i have not read the blogpost.  And either stick to 16.04, or run shib things from xenial lxd container on bionic host.
[14:39] <xnox> Bert_2, when we did this botch, we were expecting to fix it properly in time for bionic release =/
[14:39] <Bert_2> an LXD container is not an option in this case since php requires curl4
[14:39] <xnox> but clearly that didn't happen.
[14:40] <Bert_2> yeah, clearly :P
[14:40] <Bert_2> but yeah, we sorta assumed things were more tested/safe now that 18.04.1 was around
[14:40] <xnox> Bert_2, i secretely expected that noboby is using this one little niche thing..... how young and wrong was I.
[14:40] <TJ-> Bert_2: could you use a proxy connection from 18.04 into an LXD-16.04 container for this functionality ?
[14:41] <Bert_2> we are looking into reinstalling to 16.04 if we have to, but we really don't want to
[14:41] <Bert_2> TJ-: maybe if we proxy PHP out to something else, but that would also be quite a lot of work for just a few students, and hard to test
[14:42] <Bert_2> and that would leave our FastCGI users confused
[14:42] <Bert_2> since apache would run in the LXD container
[14:46] <Bert_2> Ok, we got it working with the workaround/hack
[14:46] <Bert_2> turns out they've changed the user that runs shibd
[14:46] <Bert_2> therefore shibd can't read the certificate/key pair it needs
[14:47] <Bert_2> and it doesn't log that problem, so we had strace it
[14:47] <Bert_2> that's really not nice...
[14:47] <xnox> charming!
[14:47] <Bert_2> such a change should be in the release notes
[14:47] <Bert_2> love 2 unrelated issues intermixing, makes things extra spicy <3
[14:48] <xnox> Bert_2, reading the blog post, i think we should be able to fix up the libcurl3/libcurl4 mess as an SRU.
[14:49] <Bert_2> xnox: we agree
[14:49] <Bert_2> 3 people have been working on this for several hours here :P
[14:49] <Bert_2> and I think a fix should be easy
[14:50] <Bert_2> any idea who is willing to sponsor/do this, and what the ETA might be (days, weeks, months)?
[15:26] <Bert_2> xnox: I've added a bug on the situation with the user change in shib, since it also results in upgrade issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shibboleth-sp2/+bug/1784231
[18:55] <TJ-> who/which channel is responsible for the cloud-images archives?
[18:56] <Ionic> what's the first version to support the :all multi-arch annotation for dependencies? seems like that's not working for trusty... and maybe even xenial
[19:22] <tsimonq2> doko: ack
[21:14] <Unit193> xnox: Huh, what caused you to update libtorrent-rasterbar?
[21:59] <wxl> infinity: not enough takers on the call for applicants?
[22:38] <doko> Unit193: boost?


[03:32] <RAOF> Damnit! I want -dbgsrc packages!
[03:33]  * RAOF clones debhelper to mess with dh_strip
[09:55] <oSoMoN> doko, I'm tracking the LO FTBFS in bug #1806847 , and I've made some progress, would appreciate your thoughts
[11:38] <doko> oSoMoN: I don't get the connection between the proposed fix and the no-change rebuild of libodfgen. but maybe it's good anyway to rebuild all these splitted-out dependencies with GCC 8, before going on. Are there anymore still built with GCC 7?
[11:39] <oSoMoN> I don't know, but that one seems to be the only one triggering  a crash in LO
[13:40] <doko> RAOF: please can you address the yaml-cpp MIR?  this will block again with the next bigger transition
[17:49] <nacc> changelogs.ubuntu.com down for anyone else?
[17:50] <ginggs> nacc: yes
[17:51] <nacc> ginggs: thanks for confirming :)
[17:51] <ginggs> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/changelogs.ubuntu.com
[17:51] <nacc> ginggs: fair enough ;)
[18:39] <mdeslaur> hah, nice domain :)
[18:43] <ginggs> i use it a lot. where i am, we tend to fall off the internet quite often
[20:16] <bdmurray> seb128: Is bug 1804673 In Progress because someone is working on it?
[20:28] <seb128> bdmurray, no, sorry, that was probably a click error, I put it back to confirmed
[20:29] <seb128> bdmurray, it's gnutls28 so technical foundations
[20:30] <bdmurray> seb128: right, we'll talk about tomorrow I just wanted to make sure we weren't duplicating work
[20:31] <seb128> k, thx for checking


[00:00] <muffi1> what about upload youtube install videos like is in the mythdora page?
[00:01] <muffi1> it will increase the number of users
[00:01] <superm1> someone did some stuff like that for mythbuntu too already
[00:01] <muffi1> but it is not on the mythbuntu site
[00:01] <foxbuntu> superm1, you have got to stop lurking in the shadows
[00:01] <foxbuntu> lol
[00:01] <superm1> yeah someone should add a link in somewhere
[00:01] <superm1> !stab foxbuntu
[00:01]  * Zinn stabs foxbuntu with a rusty spork.
[00:01] <superm1> ^
[00:02] <foxbuntu> ugh
[00:03] <foxbuntu> we need to documentation to become better before youtube videos
[00:07] <Shadow__X> anyone wanna help me on the fact that java applets dont work
[00:07] <Shadow__X> :D
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i'll get a link on the site for that
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm adding a press section
[00:08] <tgm4883_laptop> or something to that effect
[00:08] <superm1> sweetness
[00:09] <muffi1> ok I also have a tip for low powered machines
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, please file all tips at /dev/null
[00:10] <tgm4883_laptop> j/k, whats the tip
[00:10] <muffi1> one all is working fine change the window manager from xfce to ratpoison
[00:10] <muffi1> after reboot
[00:10] <muffi1> it will load ratpoison and then the front end
[00:11] <muffi1> acutally xfce is small but ratposion it is way smaller
[00:12] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, we would need more testing of that in order to recommend it
[00:12] <muffi1> is a lot of testing here
[00:12] <muffi1> just apt-get install ratpoison
[00:13] <Shadow__X> java?
[00:13] <foxbuntu> muffi1, one person using it doesnt not constitute accurate test results
[00:14] <muffi1> then select do not login automatically and restart X
[00:14] <muffi1> on the settings select from xfce to ratpoison
[00:14] <tgm4883_laptop> muffi1, can you do a how-to and file a blueprint?
[00:14] <randyist> what makes mythbuntu better than Elisa?
[00:14] <muffi1> sure I will
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> randyist, well being that a better comparison would be Elisa to MythTV
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd point to that AFAIK, Elisa doesn't do PVR yet
[00:15] <randyist> I see.. i'm just wondering.
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> or stability
[00:16] <randyist> what is PVR? ..lol. I have a PVR card.
[00:16] <randyist> don't know waht it stands for
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> PVR/DVR - Personal Video Recorder/Digital Video Recorder
[00:16] <Shadow__X> personal video recorder
[00:16] <randyist> i see
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> basically Elisa doesn't do TV yet
[00:16] <randyist> ahh
[00:17] <Shadow__X> java applets dont work any ideas>?
[00:53] <hads> I was using ratpoison on my old setup, worked fine, so does not using a window manager at all. I don't know why you'd want to replace XFCE with it though unless your box was really very under spec'd.
[01:55] <pteague> hey, i'm having a problem with a particular program...  i right arrow on it hoping to be able to do something with it (like delete it?), but all it does is pop up a window with a message stating "The file for this recording is empty." ... ok, so then how do i set it up to rerecord it at a later date & delete this instance of it?
[01:56] <pteague> ok, this isn't good... i'm getting a bunch of these empty files
[01:57] <pteague> ok, somethings not right because i know this last 1 was recording last night
[02:35] <rhpot1991> does anyone lose sound when using time stretch on recordings with surround sound?
[02:38] <foxbuntu> pteague, are they HD video recordings from an HDHR by chance?
[02:38] <pteague> HDHR?
[02:39] <foxbuntu> HDHomeRun
[02:39] <pteague> i've got a hauppauge pvr-500
[02:39] <foxbuntu> oh so analog
[02:40] <pteague> yep, was trying to get a higher quality a couple months ago so i think i changed my default recording settings (went from low quality), but i've not touched the settings for a while & it's only been the last week, maybe week & a half worth of recordings it's done this on
[02:41] <foxbuntu> I have had that from time to time, but its usually because the tuner because the tuner becomes unavailbe but isnt reported as such to the backend so it tries to record but receives an empty file that both the backend and frontend cant handle, the reason I have had it happen is the network died for my HDHomeRun
[02:41] <rhpot1991> pteague: you've checked disk space and everything
[02:42] <foxbuntu> that as well
[02:43] <pteague> Total Disk Space: Total space is 589,953 MB, with 91,934 MB used (15.6%)
[02:43] <foxbuntu> thats not the issue then
[02:43] <pteague> $ df -h / \ /dev/sdc1              37G  2.1G   33G   6% /
[02:44] <foxbuntu> well I would say to look at the logs
[02:44] <foxbuntu> see what it did for those recordings
[02:44] <foxbuntu> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log in particular
[02:44] <rhpot1991> pteague: silly question have you tried rebooting since it has been having the problem?
[02:44] <pteague> nope
[02:45] <rhpot1991> might be something to try if your logs don't help
[02:45] <foxbuntu> could help
[02:45] <rhpot1991> resources could be locked up or something
[02:46] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: no issues timeshifting recordings from your HDHR?
[02:46] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, what do you mean by timeshifting? jumping forward and back?
[02:47] <rhpot1991> nah the option where you playback at a greater speed
[02:47] <rhpot1991> so it takes you less time to watch
[02:47] <foxbuntu> oh
[02:47] <rhpot1991> canocical store is slowwwwww now
[02:47] <foxbuntu> are you buying more Ubuntu crap?
[02:47] <foxbuntu> lol
[02:47] <rhpot1991> I never did before
[02:47] <foxbuntu> oh
[02:47] <rhpot1991> but I think I'm gonna now
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I ended up holding off, but haven't seen a laptop bag I like better
[02:48] <foxbuntu> well at any rate, I have never done that with my HDHR so Idk
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I'm gonna ask them about a shirt sizing before I order though
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I tried to with the last debate, but it defeats the purpose watching it without sound :)
[02:48] <foxbuntu> I need to start upgrading my system though
[02:48] <rhpot1991> I've done it with recordings from my pvr-x50 with success
[02:49] <foxbuntu> my main system is too under powered for HD content
[02:49] <rhpot1991> so I believe its a surround sound deal
[02:49] <rhpot1991> whats your cpu on it?
[02:49] <foxbuntu> 3200+
[02:49] <rhpot1991> I need to try and get HD to playback on my 1900 again
[02:49] <rhpot1991> XvMC?
[02:49] <foxbuntu> yeah
[02:49] <rhpot1991> weird
[02:49] <rhpot1991> should be usable
[02:49] <rhpot1991> as long as its not hogging resources for something else
[02:50] <foxbuntu> it plays but I have to pause it every 20 mins or so to let the resources refresh
[02:50] <rhpot1991> once upon a time my 1900 played back HD as long as it didn't do ANYTHING else
[02:50] <foxbuntu> well I run my primary backend on the same system
[02:50] <rhpot1991> I'm tempted to go mac mini or apple tv for a HD frontend
[02:50] <pteague> 2008-10-07 20:46:41.841 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[02:50] <pteague> :(
[02:50] <foxbuntu> pteague, there you go
[02:51] <foxbuntu> now to figure out how to fix it
[02:51] <foxbuntu> pteague, is that system up-to-date
[02:52] <rhpot1991> upgrade and reboot and see what happens I say
[02:52] <pteague> just ran aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade -y
[02:52] <foxbuntu> agreed
[02:52] <pteague> k
[02:52] <foxbuntu> do a dist-upgrade
[02:52] <foxbuntu> to make sure you grab all the new depends and such
[02:53] <pteague> it was 8.04 when i installed
[02:53] <foxbuntu> well pull the latest and greatest
[02:55] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, I almost have my new office built, after I get the new server rack in I will be adding the HD PVR to my system finally
[02:56] <rhpot1991> nice, then I can finally upgrade my stuffs
[02:56] <rhpot1991> I'm thinking I'll hold off on the hdpvr till giftmas
[02:56] <foxbuntu> indeed
[02:56] <rhpot1991> tell someone to get me one then
[02:56] <foxbuntu> not a bad idea
[02:56] <rhpot1991> whats the going rate 200/250?
[02:57] <foxbuntu> I think retail is 249
[02:57] <pteague> after doing a safe-upgrade on my frontend doing a dist-upgrade nothing's added
[02:57] <foxbuntu> pteague, frontend?
[02:58] <pteague> ok, looks like the reboot fixed it... no problems spewing in the log since reboot
[02:58] <foxbuntu> you need to do it on the backend
[02:58] <rhpot1991> I wonder if he got a kernel upgrade and didn't reboot after it
[02:58] <foxbuntu> could be
[02:58] <pteague> yeah, i've got a frontend & backend... backend i had already run safe-upgrade & started rebooting before the mention of dist-upgrade
[02:58] <rhpot1991> sounds plausable
[02:58] <foxbuntu> works for me :)
[02:59] <pteague> nope...  running dist-upgrade on the backend shows the kernel packages
[02:59] <foxbuntu> well I would say to grab it on the backend to prevent it happening again
[02:59] <pteague> k
[03:00] <rhpot1991> shield time
[03:01] <pteague> any idea if listening to internet radio requires routing through the backend?
[03:03] <foxbuntu> im not sure, but i dont think so
[03:05] <pteague> i wouldn't think so either, but i've been proven wrong on a number of occasions with mythtv :)
[03:06] <foxbuntu> brb
[03:14] <pteague> finished downloading kernel & rebooting... seeing if it kills radio stream
[03:14] <hads> ivtv gets itself messed up sometimes.
[03:15] <foxbuntu> hads, bugs? we aint got no stinking bugs
[03:15] <pteague> is it possible to reboot or reset it without having to reboot the entire box?
[03:15] <foxbuntu> ;)
[03:15] <foxbuntu> nope
[03:15] <foxbuntu> not for kernel upgrades
[03:15] <pteague> dang... i can reset alsa on my desktop on occasion, but sometimes it's just really bad
[03:16] <hads> You can occasionally unstick the card with a modprobe -r && modprobe but often it's the firmware so that won't do much.
[03:18] <pteague> i'm hoping someone will make a dual tuner for hd
[03:22] <pteague> well, radio never stopped :)
[03:26] <foxbuntu> pteague, the HDHomeRun
[03:26] <foxbuntu> ?
[03:39] <pteague> i'm guessing that works pretty well with linux?
[03:40] <tritium> pteague: yes, I have one
[03:40] <pteague> cool
[03:41] <tritium> pteague: I believe this is supported as well: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html
[03:41] <tritium> Yes, it is: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards
[03:42] <foxbuntu> tritium, i think those are beta supported by v4l I actually have two of those cards I am working on testing
[03:43] <pteague> my current server doesn't have any pcie slots :(
[03:44] <foxbuntu> the HVR1800 is PCI
[03:44] <pteague> cool
[03:44] <tritium> foxbuntu: possibly.  I got that off the linuxtv.org DVB wiki page.
[03:45] <foxbuntu> tritium, last I heard ATSC was fairly solid but NTSC on the cards was iffy
[03:45] <tritium> Yes, the wiki page does state that analog isn't currently supported (or wasn't, as of 2.6.24)
[03:47] <foxbuntu> I have been testing the latest build of v4l-dvb on 2.6.27
[03:47] <tritium> Nice.
[03:49] <foxbuntu> I have had to back burner it until i get my new office completed but I am almost done there and will have my dev hardware back online soon which makes me happy
[03:49] <tritium> foxbuntu: :)
[03:49] <pteague> what's typical of USA? ATSC?
[03:49] <foxbuntu> pteague, thats the HD standard in North America
[05:33] <bronson> How does mythfrontend know what backend server to use?
[05:33] <bronson> The IP address it's trying to use is wrong, but I can't find it in any of the config files.
[05:33] <superm1> mythtv-setup
[05:33] <superm1> it's in the first page of that
[05:38] <bronson> The database is set up correctly.
[05:38] <bronson> Port 3306 is fine.
[05:38] <bronson> It's port 6543 that uses the wrong IP address.
[05:38] <superm1> yeah i understand that
[05:38] <superm1> it's in mythtv-setup that you set which ip address it binds to
[05:39] <bronson> oh, sorry.
[05:39] <bronson> You said -setup, not control center.
[05:39] <bronson> The difference between them is blurry in my head...
[05:39] <bronson> I'll try that.
[05:40] <bronson> Hm, mythtv-setup: command not found.
[05:40] <superm1> from your backend you need to run it
[05:41] <bronson> This is a frontend-only box...  apparently mythtv-setup requires a backend role?
[05:41] <superm1> the frontend reads this info from mysql
[05:41] <bronson> ah, got it.
[05:41] <superm1> so you configure it inside mysql using the mythtv-setup tool
[05:41] <bronson> OK, I'll have to do that tomorrow when the backend is idle.
[05:41] <bronson> superm1, thanks for your help.
[05:41] <superm1> no prob
[05:42] <bronson> no amount of grepping would have found that.  :)
[13:02] <okirob> I'm having trouble with apt and was hoping I could get some help...
[13:04] <okirob> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m3702ce4e
[13:06] <okirob> I am unable to post my sources.list because it tripped the spam filter...?
[13:07] <okirob> sorry for direct pasting:
[13:07] <okirob> myth:/etc/apt$ cat ./sources.list
[13:07] <okirob> # deb cdrom:[Mythbuntu 8.04.1 080705 i386]/ hardy main restricted universe
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[13:07] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe multiverse main restricted
[13:08] <okirob> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[13:08] <okirob> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free
[13:09] <okirob> and if it helps: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m70607a3b
[13:09] <okirob> back in 15 (afk)
[13:40] <okirob> so... nobody here yet?
[16:17] <bronson> okirob, is it still giving you the error?
[16:18] <bronson> If so, try commenting out lines in sources.list until you find the bad one.
[16:18] <bronson> And hopefully you can live without it.  :)
[20:57] <bronson> Anyone know why I can't get mythfrontend to display on my PVR-350?
[20:57] <bronson> I've told it to use the 350 in Setup.  No errors in the logs.
[20:57] <bronson> But it's still using my main display.
[21:04] <jphillip> bronson in setup as in mythtv-setup?
[21:06] <bronson> jphillip, as in the Setup menu in the frontend.
[21:06] <bronson> I don't think mythtv-setup has anything to do with playback...?
[21:07] <jphillip> bronson that only applies to video playback so if you go play a video it should now display on there, if you want the menu's to show up you need to hack up your xorg.conf to do so
[21:07] <jphillip> there are examples on the mythtv and ubuntu wiki
[21:07] <bronson> ack.
[21:08] <bronson> I tried that and got errors.
[21:08] <bronson> Do I need to set up ivtv-fb?  I don't see anything for it in Intrepid's repos.
[21:12] <jphillip> look for ivtv-dev
[21:12] <jphillip> thats what I used back in the day
[21:14] <bronson> hm, no package like that in the repos.
[21:14] <bronson> there's xserver-xorg-video-ivtv
[21:17] <jphillip> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/xserver-xorg-video-ivtvdev
[21:17] <jphillip> might be able to try that
[21:18] <bronson> It's installed but I'm having a heck of a time finding an x.org configuration for it...
[21:19] <bronson> I guess it's because I don't have the framebuffer driver installed.
[21:19] <bronson> at least, cat /proc/fb doesn't show any output.
[21:21] <bronson> ah, "This driver requires the IVTV kernel module provided by the ivtv-source package. "
[21:26] <jphillip> you might just need to modprobe ivtv-dev or ivtv-fb
[21:26] <jphillip> if they live on your system
[21:49] <bronson> Got it.  Needed to apt-get install ivtv-source, then modprobe ivtv-fb.
[21:49] <bronson> It works but it's not accelerating mpeg playback.
[21:50] <bronson> "Desired video renderer 'ivtv' not available."
[22:50] <bronson> wow, this playback is pretty crappy isn't it?
[22:50] <bronson> Can't do HD.
[22:51] <bronson> Guess I'll throw this old PVR-350 away...  if it can't record and it can't play back, what's it good for?
[22:51] <bronson> the radio mabye.  :)
[23:18] <zabbadapp> what could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a couple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime.
[23:31] <foxbuntu> zabbadapp, magic elves?!
[23:35] <zabbadapp> foxbuntu: is there a patch against them?
[23:38] <foxbuntu> zabbadapp, yeah, sudo apt-get install evil-gremlins-gtk that should do it


 Thank you, rik!
[10:40] <acheronuk> yofel: Snowhog (Paul) from kubuntuforums nominated you for KC again. do you want to accept that?
[10:40]  * acheronuk womders where Myriam went
[10:44] <acheronuk> *wonders
[22:21] <valorie> Myriam was at Akademy but not in many sessions
[22:21] <valorie> didn't discuss Kubuntu with her
[22:21] <valorie> yofel: are you going to re-nom yourself?
[22:22]  * valorie has not read email today


[10:44] <MCR1> Theming is completely broken now on Quantal (after todays update) :(
[10:45] <MCR1> Icon theme and GTK+ theme are ignored
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:11] <bobweaver> hello there I am trying to file a bug but i am not sure what package it is under
[14:11] <bobweaver> when I try to shut down computer no workie
[14:12] <bobweaver> have to run sudo reboot or poweroff that is
[14:13] <bobweaver> I did ubuntu-bug gnome-sessions-quit   but it says that there is no package alled that
[14:13] <bobweaver> called *
[15:53] <zniavre_> there is a network worrie at this point of dev?
[15:54] <zniavre_> jbic must be the first one to update his network-applet
[18:09] <Walther> Has anyone noticed any lag when using Ubu 12.10?
[18:09] <Walther> My installs seem a tad slower in terms of responsiveness
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> Walther, none here
[18:22] <Walther> ...also, somehow I can't open system settings - software sources
[18:22] <Walther> ohwait, it just takes 3 minutes to open
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> Walther, is it the unity desktop, and regular install not a virtual, and what is the chip speed and ram amount?
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> I will know you answerd if you tab complete my nick, I'm on a few channels I forget to check at times for answers.
[18:42] <Walther> wilee-nilee: same with me, tab-complete / highlight to ensure I notice. Desktop is an upgrade from 12.04, regular install, not virtual, running a quad-core AMD
[18:42] <penguin42> Walther: ANything nasty showing in dmesg?
[18:43] <Walther> penguin42: well, some nvidia-related problems
[18:43] <Walther> [   22.672546] NVRM: Your system is not currently configured to drive a VGA console
[18:43] <Walther> [   22.672551] NVRM: on the primary VGA device. The NVIDIA Linux graphics driver
[18:43] <Walther> [   22.672554] NVRM: requires the use of a text-mode VGA console. Use of other console
[18:43] <Walther> [   22.672556] NVRM: drivers including, but not limited to, vesafb, may result in
[18:43] <Walther> [   22.672558] NVRM: corruption and stability problems, and is not supported.
[18:44] <penguin42> Walther: Please use a pastebin for large pastes
[18:44] <Walther> also, [   18.368689] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin
[18:44] <Walther> [   18.368719] microcode: CPU1: patch_level=0x01000035
[18:45] <penguin42> the nvrm one I've not seen before; wouldn't think it would have caused a 3minute wait though - can you put your whole dmesg on a pastebin?
[18:45] <Walther> sec
[18:47] <Walther> http://pastebin.com/vRyvHGtU
[18:53] <penguin42> Walther: Yeh I've never seen that VGA error before - a bit odd; the only other thing is it seems a bit upset that you removed a USB drive without unmounting it
[18:55] <Walther> bwhah
[18:55] <Walther> life is too short to safely remove :>
[19:10] <penguin42> yofel_: Did you see that Okular search bug, the one currently down as a likely gcc bug?
[19:11] <yofel_> I don't remember the exact #, but I know what you're talking about
[19:11] <penguin42> yofel: If it is a gcc bug it's a bit nasty; I'm always nervous about bugs that disappear
[19:13] <yofel> did it disappear? Here it still happens it seems, but I didn't install any updates today yet
[19:13] <penguin42> yofel: There was a comment saying it's gone on the latest project neon build
[19:14] <penguin42> bug 1027657
[19:24] <yofel> penguin42: it indeed seems to work there, thanks for the pointer
[21:50] <Walther> Is there a way to tweak ubuntu's font sizes anymore?
[21:51] <Debolaz> Walther: More than MyUnity offers?
[21:53] <Walther> Debolaz: hm, is that an officially supported one or a community project? And, does it cause any unstability issues like Conky?
[21:53] <Daekdroom> Community, and no.
[21:53] <Debolaz> Walther: I don't think I'd call it officially supported, but it's frequently mentioned favorably on Planet Ubuntu.
[21:54] <Debolaz> Walther: It's not caused any harm to my system anyway.


[05:42] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:42] <Kilos> inetpro 21mm
[06:05] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[06:05]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:17] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[06:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:59] <inetpro> Kilos: 7+17mm
[06:59] <inetpro> good evenings
[07:59] <superfly> ohey kmf
[08:04] <inetpro> superfly: does he even realise that he's here?
[08:07] <superfly> who knows
[08:10] <kmf> @superfly @inetpro he does
[08:10] <inetpro> oh wow :-)
[08:10] <inetpro> wb kmf, nice to see you here
[08:10] <kmf> @inetpro xxx
[08:11] <kmf> @kmf thanks :) .... since I'm a ubuntu desktop user again I'm here :) ... is it ok?
[08:15] <inetpro> oh of course you should come here much more often even if you do not use ubuntu
[08:15] <kmf> @inetpro heh :D
[08:18] <inetpro> kmf: so how long have you been on the Ubuntu desktop again?
[08:18] <inetpro> I know it's just a matter of time until you switch to the next distro again
[08:18] <kmf> @inetpro 2 weeks ... was on Fedora for along time
[08:19] <kmf> @inetpro s/along/a long/g
[08:20] <kmf> @inetpro guess I'm getting emotionally ready for Ubuntu Touch
[10:01] <inetpro> superfly: so can I download and read that python book even if I don't have a kindle?
[10:02] <superfly> inetpro: nope, I'm afraid not
[10:02] <inetpro> ai!
[10:02] <superfly> inetpro: well, if you have an Android phone, you can install Kindle for Android
[10:02] <superfly> and there's also Kindle for PC
[10:03] <superfly> so you don't need an actual Kindle eReader, but you need a Kindle app
[10:03] <superfly> (sorry, misunderstood your question)
[10:06] <inetpro> oh yes, I see now
[10:07] <inetpro> ouch.... nearly 50MB for that Kindle app
[10:08] <inetpro> also remember now having it installed on a previous device long ago
[10:21] <inetpro> ai!
[10:22] <Kilos> what?
[10:22] <inetpro> very stupid that you can't read the kindle ebook with the cloud reader in the browser
[10:23] <Kilos> Maaz google kindle ebook reader for ubuntu
[10:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "kindle app for linux - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2119621 :: "Sysads Gazette Install Amazon Kindle on Ubuntu 14.04 - Sysads ..." http://sysads.co.uk/2014/08/install-amazon-kindle-ubuntu-14-04/ :: "Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Kindle App for Ubuntu Linux Users"
[10:23] <Maaz> http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&cdThread=TxKQ2GL84PRMQD :: "kindle for linux: how to read kindle books on a linu…
[10:25] <inetpro> Kilos: Amazon has https://read.amazon.com/
[10:25] <inetpro> but for the fly's book you get this error: we're sorry. Kinlde Cloud Reader can't open this book, but you can read it withy our free Kindle app
[10:25] <inetpro> Kindle as well
[10:25] <Kilos> ai!
[10:25] <superfly> Kindle for PC works in WINE
[10:26] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <inetpro> we still have a long way to go to free ourselves from these shackles
[10:29] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, not gonna get around it while there are publishers out there
[10:30] <inetpro> I still dream of the day where I can pick any book from a ebook shelf, select a local printing house and go there to pick it up within a few minutes
[10:32] <inetpro> at a reasonable price to cover for the real printing costs plus a very small amount for the author
[10:32] <Kilos> what about the third option of downloading and converting to epub
[10:32] <Kilos> http://ariaprime.com/blog/linux-and-technology/kindle-linux-read-kindle-books-linux-system/258/
[10:32] <inetpro> ebooks should be free
[10:33] <kmf> @inetpro you can use the Kindle Cloud reader in Chrome
[10:34] <Kilos> hi kmf nice to see you here
[10:36] <inetpro> kmf: not for the book "Mastering Python Lists"
[10:36] <inetpro> kmf: what IRC client are you using?
[10:38] <kmf> @Kilos thanks :)
[10:39] <kmf> @inetpro smuxi
[10:41] <inetpro> yikes!
[10:42] <inetpro> so is it smuxi adding this funny '@' character when you talk to someone or is it just you typing it?
[10:42] <inetpro> we're not on twitter here :-)
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:43]  * inetpro hides behind a big rock
[10:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:44] <Kilos> puuuck puck puck puck
[10:45] <Kilos> oh my inetpro now you chased him away
[10:45] <inetpro> eish!
[10:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I think he's just busy at work and didn't expect us to chat so much
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[11:05] <Kilos> inetpro support karl hey or else
[11:05] <Kilos> i go have lunch
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[11:06] <inetpro> what I do wrong?
[11:07] <inetpro> Kilos: enjoy your meal
[11:07] <kmf> :)
[11:10] <Kilos> inetpro i just jumped in before you do something wrong
[11:22] <inetpro> thanks oom Kilos
[11:23] <inetpro> it's Friday after all
[11:23]  * anton_may waves
[11:24] <Kilos> hi anton_may
[11:25] <anton_may> Almost going home time
[11:25] <Kilos> hehe
[11:29] <kmf> so close
[11:42] <Kilos> we have our own paste bin kmf
[11:42] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info
[11:52] <inetpro> kmf: while you are here, what do you use in place of Visio?
[11:52] <inetpro> if anything
[11:52] <kmf> call me old fashioned .... dia
[11:52] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:52] <kmf> however LibreOffice draw gets better :p
[11:53] <kmf> and if you are mega adventurous .... you could use gimp.
[11:53] <kmf> and if you have lots of time Blender
[11:53] <inetpro> yeah, I also like LO Draw
[11:58] <inetpro> unfortunately I still haven't found anything that is quite like Visio just yet
[11:58] <superfly> I've used Draw to great effect recently
[11:59] <inetpro> we still need something with all the standard stencils
[12:26] <kmf> @superfly ... can you proof something for me?
[12:36] <superfly> kmf: yeah, sure
[12:41] <kmf> @superfly sent it through
[12:42] <superfly> kmf: got it, refining it
[12:42] <kmf> @superfly you are a star
[13:03] <superfly> kmf: you're welcome.
[13:23] <Kilos> chesedo are you working yet?
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz seen plustwo
[13:34] <Maaz> Kilos: plustwo was last seen 10 months, 5 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-20 02:22:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-02 07:31:03 PDT
[13:34] <Kilos> inetpro rev him
[13:34] <Kilos> or kick his butt
[13:35] <Kilos> see no good locking up the sjambok
[13:35] <Kilos> peeps get slack
[13:57] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <superfly> cal_py: hi!
[14:30] <cal_py> sup superfly
[14:30] <cal_py> how are you?
[15:16] <superfly> Maaz: tell cal_py sorry, I had to run
[15:16] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell cal_py on freenode
[17:47] <Kilos> wb kmf
[17:47] <kmf> it's a quicky
[17:48] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <Kilos> im nosy now but tomorrow will do
[17:48] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[17:48] <theblazehen> hi cal_py
[17:48] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:48] <Kilos> how are you lad
[17:48] <cal_py> hey theblazehen
[17:49] <cal_py> hey Kilos and friends!
[17:49] <Kilos> cal_py you in ptown hey
[17:49] <cal_py> ptown>
[17:49] <theblazehen> Good ty Kilos. And you?
[17:49] <Kilos> pretoria man
[17:49] <Kilos> im good ty theblazehen
[17:55] <cal_py> ooooo no im in kzn
[17:55] <superfly> hi cal_py
[17:55] <cal_py> hey superfly how goes it?
[17:55] <superfly> they theblazehen, haven't seen you in a while
[17:55] <superfly> cal_py: busy, but good. just put the kids to bed
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz seen chesedo
[17:56] <Maaz> Kilos: chesedo was last seen 1 day, 23 hours, 43 minutes and 44 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-02-17 10:13:00 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-02-17 09:58:35 PST
[17:58] <cal_py> cool superfly, one question if its not too personal do you program for a living?
[17:59] <superfly> cal_py: I do. I work for a company called Nomanini - http://nomanini.com/
[17:59] <theblazehen> Hi superfly, yeah, been busy.. Started internship this year, and also got another job that I started in november
[18:00] <cal_py> awesome!!!! looking at the site right now
[18:01] <superfly> theblazehen: wow, great. what you up to?
[18:02] <cal_py> looks like an interesting system superfly I've been working on a custom GSM controllor for about 2 years now getting close to the end, do you guys make the hardware as well?
[18:02] <superfly> cal_py: Yes, we do. Our second generation terminal is actually running Linux :-D
[18:03] <cal_py> awesome so its arm based?
[18:03] <superfly> cal_py: http://nomanini.com/case-study-how-google-cloud-platform-powers-nomaninis-payments-platform-2015-11-18/
[18:03] <superfly> cal_py: yes
[18:04] <theblazehen> @superfly for the internship mostly some support stuff, and then trying out some new things that the others don't really have time to. And I'm the only Linux guy for the german company, so keep all the sites running, move sites to our new ha setup etc, and gonna start some dev work soon
[18:04] <superfly> theblazehen: wow, that's pretty hectic
[18:06] <cal_py> wow cool, I was trialing some IoT stuff for a chicken farm to capture water usage with a Rpi but unfortunatly my python foo wasnt strong enough to make it work :(
[18:06] <cal_py> superfly, just watched that video did I see a sim900 chip? :)
[18:06] <theblazehen> @superfly Yeah, it's quite fun.. Most of the time. Until stuff breaks.. Good thing I made backups, cause a week or so back the dev lost some data in the DB. That was the day that I discovered that my backups weren't the easiest to *partially* restore
[18:06] <superfly> cal_py: 808
[18:06] <superfly> theblazehen: yeah... backups -_-
[18:07] <cal_py> that's the one with smd pads underneith the chip right?
[18:07] <superfly> cal_py: yes
[18:07] <theblazehen> @superfly at least they exist now. Before I started there were *no* backups.
[18:07] <fusionsparc> Evening guys...who is the Python Guru in the group again?
[18:07] <superfly> cal_py: we actually had a meeting this morning with Simcom, they want to sell us a new module that's smaller and costs less. who are we to refuse?
[18:07] <theblazehen> I started working there when the dev was asking in ##linux for someone to get their system booting after a disk in the raid died
[18:08] <superfly> fusionsparc: I know a bit of Python
[18:08] <cal_py> true superfly if not why now an AT command is a AT command
[18:08] <superfly> cal_py: are you familiar with sierra wireless?
[18:09] <cal_py> no, i remember sierra game lol, who are they?
[18:09] <fusionsparc> Ok, what would your opinion be in the popularity of Python for ...Read that it's growing quickly.
[18:10] <cal_py> here's the dev dord I made for my system superfly https://twitter.com/cal_404/status/700743954409648128 sim900 thou, which is a great chip, just hard to solder if you dont have a pnp machine
[18:10] <cal_py> *board
[18:10] <superfly> cal_py: sierra wireless makes SoC's arm + gsm
[18:11] <cal_py> in one package?
[18:11] <superfly> cal_py: yes. but they suck.
[18:11] <cal_py> why?
[18:11] <superfly> fusionsparc: for what?
[18:12] <superfly> cal_py: all sorts of reasons. our first generation hardware (what you mostly see in the video) runs on sierra wireless + other stuff. such pain to develop.
[18:13] <cal_py> ok cool, I've never looked at a soultion like that, I like to have complete control over the comm's which was hard as hell to learn...for me
[18:13] <superfly> cal_py: keep it that way
[18:13] <cal_py> looking at their wesite now superfly
[18:13] <fusionsparc> Sorry, stopped in mid sentence...Read an article that Python is growing fast in popularity, so looking into learning it.
[18:13] <fusionsparc> Would that be an investment?
[18:13] <superfly> fusionsparc: yes
[18:14] <superfly> fusionsparc: yes yes yes and yes.
[18:14] <fusionsparc> hehe...then thats it....Python it is.
[18:15] <cal_py> superfly, yeah, but at the moment I'm working with the arduino which is great but I'm getting to the point where I want to drop microcontrollers,
[18:15] <superfly> cal_py: by the way, you should read this: http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html
[18:15] <superfly> cal_py: then grab this: http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html
[18:15] <superfly> then take a gander here: http://vimawesome.com/
[18:16] <superfly> that reminds me, I need to install the latest version of hack
[18:16] <cal_py> superfly: hahaha thanks, it's hard to convert LOL
[18:16] <cal_py> superfly: hack?
[18:16] <superfly> open source font for code editing
[18:17] <cal_py> oah cool!
[18:17] <theblazehen> Hi Na3iL
[18:17] <cal_py> hi Na3iL
[18:17] <superfly> hey Na3iL
[18:17] <fusionsparc> Tnx superfly..
[18:17] <superfly> fusionsparc: any other questions? what are you looking to do with it?
[18:18] <superfly> cal_py: I don't know if it's in the Ubuntu repositories yet, but it's in Debian as "fonts-hack-ttf"
[18:18] <fusionsparc> Well just learn the language 1st....seems allot easier that Javascript..
[18:18] <superfly> cal_py: otherwise you can download it from here: http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/
[18:19] <superfly> fusionsparc: I find the best thing to do is find something to build with it. a project always makes learning a language easier.
[18:19] <superfly> fusionsparc: also you want to read http://python.swaroopch.com/
[18:20] <superfly> cal_py: you too ^^
[18:20] <fusionsparc> true, i'll keep that in mind..Github is probably a good place to start..
[18:20] <superfly> fusionsparc: make it simpler, do your own thing first, then join a project.
[18:20] <superfly> fusionsparc: there's always the classic To Do list
[18:20] <cal_py> superfly: AByte of Python is open on my desktop as we speak, just waiting for my ACDC album to finish downloading and I'm off to programming land LOL
[18:21] <superfly> I need to get working on one of my pet projects
[18:21] <cal_py> superfly: which is?
[18:21] <superfly> a verification platform for a game I play
[18:21] <cal_py> hack is a nice font!
[18:22] <cal_py> what do you mean by verification platform?
[18:22] <fusionsparc> Make sense, will go through the docs thanks.
[18:22] <cal_py> fusionsparc, may the force be with you!!!!!!!!!
[18:23] <fusionsparc> I know there's allot of tutorials with learning python on a Raspberry Pi..
[18:23] <fusionsparc> Hai, sensei... :-P
[18:24] <cal_py> fusionsparc, I'm probably at the same level as you :P, the master is superfly
[18:25] <fusionsparc> indeed..
[18:25] <cal_py> fusionsparc, we should stay in touch to keep eachother going with python
[18:26] <superfly> cal_py: we have social groups and because there are two teams, we don't want the enemy team invading our chats, so we verify people before we let them join
[18:26] <superfly> so the verification platform allows them to log in to a mobile-friendly site with their Google account, and we can vet them before adding them to the groups.
[18:26] <fusionsparc> Good idea, cal_py how proficient are you with Python atm?
[18:27] <cal_py> oah cool so youll make a script that can kick an enemy if spoted?
[18:27] <superfly> cal_py: no, just a glorified database
[18:27] <cal_py> fusionsparc, I know the basics, not off by heart thou, havent really touched GUI's or OOP thats where I want to be! and you?
[18:27] <cal_py> ok cool superfly
[18:30] <fusionsparc> cal_py, page1 line 1....lol
[18:31] <cal_py> lets do this!
[18:31] <cal_py> Python is lovely thou,
[18:32] <fusionsparc> agreed....working on any personal projects?
[18:32] <cal_py> yeah too many infact and you?
[18:34] <fusionsparc> None yet, i'll 1st go through the basic code to start off and then move from there..
[18:35] <cal_py> excellent!
[18:35] <cal_py> how eager are you and what pace do you read?
[18:36] <fusionsparc> I only realy have tim Mon, wed and fri....so when I get the time I guess..
[18:36] <fusionsparc> Eager enough..
[18:37] <fusionsparc> not sure on the pace....probably 2 hours gap at a session.
[18:37] <cal_py> sounds good, we should make like a weekly goal and work on some small projects together once we've mastered the basics, what do you think?
[18:37] <Kilos> oh guys if you are interested, we have a study channel #linux-studies
[18:38] <Kilos> also my channel ##kilos can be used
[18:39] <Kilos> inetpro will complain if he has to scroll back for 2 hours to find whats been happening
[18:39] <fusionsparc> I'm up for it...
[18:39] <fusionsparc> hehe...noted..
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> at least this time he cant tell me im to blame
[18:40] <Kilos> you are welcome to chat here just when you get into study mode use one of those channels
[18:40] <fusionsparc> ok
[18:40] <Kilos> you will see the fly is there for serious probs
[18:42] <Kilos> fusionsparc you in pretoria?
[18:42] <fusionsparc> yes..
[18:42] <Kilos> yay soon your workload will grow
[18:43] <Kilos> dont miss our meeting on the 23rd
[18:43] <cal_py> shall do Kilos,
[18:44] <fusionsparc> interesting...
[18:55] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz ping inetpro
[18:55] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> ja the twit is hiding
[18:55] <fusionsparc> night Kilos
[20:31] <fusionsparc> Night Guys..
[21:26] <cal_py> night all!
[21:58] <squish102> !time
[21:58] <squish102> maaz time
[21:58] <Maaz> squish102: time is in the past by the time you are reading this


[15:44] <sharat_> hi
[15:50] <sharat> hi
[15:54] <sharat> i have a problem
[15:55] <sharat> i cannot change the brightness in my hp laptop running ubuntu 11.04
[15:56] <sharat> when i press the Fn keys for brightness i can see the indicator changing but there is no change in the screen brightness
[17:16] <sharat> anyone online?
[23:00] <lemelinm> Bonjour!
[23:08] <lemelinm> quit
[23:08] <lemelinm> Est-ce que quelqu'un peut me dire comment quitter?
[23:11] <lemelinm> EXIT %c
[23:13] <lemelinm> Can someone tell me how to exit this channel?
[23:15] <lemelinm> quitte


[02:36] <ESphynx> hey guys, so I was considering uploading a debdiff of ecere-sdk directly to ubuntu and was wondering whether I needed to modify the changelog
[02:36] <ESphynx> but apparently the changelog in http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/utopic/ecere-sdk  all mentions 'unstable' and has Debian style versions...
[03:14] <ESphynx> uploaded debdiff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1358572
[03:28] <sney> Noskcaj: the "missing" hardening flag is one that was newly added to dpkg-buildflags *after* 2.10.0 was uploaded, by the way.
[03:28] <sney> so everything is fine.
[06:04] <dholbach> good morning
[06:36] <geser> ESphynx: if the changelog mentions unstable and has Debian versions then it was synced from Debian; if you want an upload directly to Ubuntu then you need a Ubuntu codename (utopic) in the changelog and a Ubuntu style version
[12:07] <ESphynx> geser: I was going to do that, but then I noticed the current changelog @ http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/utopic/ecere-sdk all says 'unstable'
[12:08] <ESphynx> dholbach: thanks for trying out the build... kind of puzzled with this EcereAudio thing :S will look at that today
[12:09] <dholbach> ok
[12:09] <ESphynx> so to reupload again should I just modify the new entry in the changelog to say ubuntu-1 ?
[12:19] <geser> ESphynx: because that's a sync from Debian, not direct upload to Ubuntu
[13:18] <ESphynx> geser: right, I just didn't know what to do now since it's usually synced form debian, but I'd like it to make the FF...
[13:20] <geser> ESphynx: if you want to upload to Ubuntu, change the distribution in the changelog to "utopic" and use the Ubuntu versioning scheme (0.44.10-0ubuntu1)
[13:21] <ESphynx> geser: right, but only on the last entry of the changelog?
[13:21] <geser> yes
[13:21] <ESphynx> (new entry)
[13:21] <ESphynx> OK that's what I was confused about. thanks, will do that for reupload, apparently it's not building :|
[13:22] <geser> the older versions in the changelog were uploaded to Debian unstable, so this is still correct
[13:23] <ESphynx> I see
[13:23] <ESphynx> the thing is I wasn't sure if a potential sponsor would upload to Debian and sync as xnox usually does or upload to Ubuntu only..
[13:23] <geser> if you want to merge this Ubuntu changelog entry in your Debian changelog is up to you, some DD do it, but it's not necessary
[13:24] <geser> this probably depends if your Ubuntu sponsor is also a DD
[16:31] <Xan_do_can> hello everybody
[16:46] <Xan_do_can> hola saO
[17:12] <ESphynx> hmm, I'm getting a different error here :S no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 -- what could that mean?
[17:56] <jtaylor> what version number would a SRU have that updates the version number with the same version available in +1? x-0ubuntu0.1?
[17:56] <jtaylor> or x-1ubuntu0.1
[17:57] <jtaylor> with x-1ubuntu1 in +1
[20:31] <ESphynx> how to set up pbuilder to create something for utopic ?
[20:31] <ESphynx> Will sudo pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd automatically do that?
[20:31] <ESphynx> or --distribution utopic ?
[20:52] <Noskcaj> ESphynx, I like pbuilder-dist. Just run pbuilder-dist utopic amd64 create
[21:04] <ESphynx> thank you
[21:05] <ESphynx> Is pbuilder used more than sdist for ubuntu?
[21:05] <ESphynx> btw the package built on my utopic upgrade system, so trying pbuilder now to see if I get those errors dholbach was getting :S
[21:18] <ESphynx> OK that really built fine for me, in pbuilder as well...
[22:02] <ESphynx> could anyone please retry it?
[22:02] <ESphynx> also do I need to upload a new debdiff just for changing that verstion to -0ubuntu1 or?