[01:00] <teward> would anyone be kind enough to run `apt-cache rdepends python-myssql` for me on a Xenial or Yakkety box, please?
[01:01] <teward> I would, except I'm IRC-ing from phone again... so I can't reach my Xenial or Yakkety VMs
[01:01] <teward> (dead internet at home is dead)
[01:01] <karstensrage> starting up my vm teward
[01:01] <teward> karstensrage: thank you kindly
[01:02] <teward> trying to figure how depended-upon python-pymssql is relied on, given that it's not working (so if it doesn't work and hasn't been updated in Debian for years, maybe it should be removed)
[01:05] <karstensrage> udo apt-cache rdepends python-myssql
[01:05] <karstensrage> E: No packages found
[01:05] <karstensrage> hmm you meant mysql
[01:05] <karstensrage> not myssql right?
[01:05] <karstensrage> sudo apt-cache rdepends python-mysql
[01:05] <karstensrage> E: No packages found
[01:05] <teward> karstensrage: python-mssql
[01:05] <karstensrage> nothing
[01:05] <teward> yes i mistyped
[01:05] <teward> erm
[01:05] <teward> python-pymssql I think it is
[01:06] <teward> fat-fingering on a mobile keyboard >.<
[01:06] <karstensrage> there we go
[01:06] <karstensrage> sudo apt-cache rdepends python-pymssql
[01:06] <karstensrage> python-pymssql
[01:06] <karstensrage> Reverse Depends:
[01:06] <karstensrage>   python-sqlalchemy
[01:06] <karstensrage>  |pyrit
[01:06] <teward> so no difference then from Trusty
[01:06] <teward> karstensrage: thank you kindly!
[01:06] <karstensrage> my pleasure
[01:06] <karstensrage> :)
[01:07] <teward> betcha a dollar that nobody depends on it because it's broken and you can't get anything from executed SQL queries)
[01:08] <teward> eww
[01:08] <teward> nevermind, that's a very painful removal
[01:08] <teward> at least.... jesus, a huge amount of python-* things depend on sqlalchemy it looks like
[01:09]  * teward gives up :p
[01:09] <teward> forget i said anything about package removal :)
[01:52] <JanC> teward: isn't there also another python module for MS SQL?
[01:55] <teward> is there?
[01:55] <teward> JanC: MSSQL is what's in use at the workplace
[01:55] <teward> that was a migration hurdle recently until I discovered the StackOverflow post about the version of pymssql being old being the cause
[01:56] <teward> JanC: problem being the rdepends for the removals, though, unless you're saying there's an alternative for python-sqlalchemy to rely on, it has a depends on python-mssql, and AFAICT the rdeps for python-sqlalchemy extend to a large # of python-* packages
[01:57] <JanC> right
[01:57] <teward> JanC: i'd rather see it updated, but it looks like upstream in Debian nobody cares
[01:57] <teward> ("It doesn't work" bugs have been there for at least 3 years)
[01:58] <JanC> I'm sure Debian as a whole cares
[01:58] <teward> JanC: the maintainer probably doesn't care, there's been no movement on 'updated versions'
[01:58] <teward> which makes me think they don't care it doesn't work, because they haven't reported that it's not fixable
[01:58] <teward> when there's been a patch submitted already
[01:59] <JanC> there are procedures to handle that AFAIK
[01:59]  * teward shrugs
[01:59] <teward> as i said, I don't care anymore, I have my workaround
[01:59] <teward> :p
[02:02] <JanC> you need a 2.1 version, I guess?
[02:04] <JanC> maybe just get a pymssql2 package into Debian  ;-)
[05:37] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:39] <b4r> moin
[06:17] <pitti> Good morning
[06:18] <pitti> teward: how are non-ascii bytes choking up the hooks? UTF-8 should be fine and things will end up as str, for binary data you get byte arrays
[06:18] <pitti> teward: i. e. if there's a particular hook that doesn't get along with that, that hook should be fixed; it's certainly not limited by design to ascii
[09:39] <bdrung_work> pitti, hi. did you have time to look at https://github.com/bdrung/systemd/commit/2b824ccae61142cbcdaf251c2d3c996f933e217a
[09:39] <pitti> bdrung_work: yes, I answered in #u-desktop; looks good to me, thanks!
[09:40]  * bdrung_work should connect his personal and professional IRC client.
[09:40] <bdrung_work> pitti, one open question: what value will testing/sid use?
[09:41] <bdrung_work> (unstable)root@konstrukt:~# cat /etc/debian_version
[09:41] <bdrung_work> stretch/sid
[09:41] <bdrung_work> should the specification allow this value?
[09:41] <pitti> bdrung_work: no, I don't think so
[09:42] <pitti> either we can determine whether we are running unstable or testing, or it should not be set, or it should be one of the two
[09:42] <pitti> "stretch/sid" is a rather useless and confusing value IMHO
[09:42] <bdrung_work> should we enhance the specification to make that clear?
[09:42] <pitti> but I wouldn't allow things like "or" (/) in that spec
[09:42] <pitti> it already is -- '/' isn't allowed?
[09:43] <bdrung_work> yes, '/' isn't allowed
[09:43] <pitti> bdrung_work: lsb_release -a says "sid", and IMHO os-release should agree to that
[09:44] <bdrung_work> other question: should we restrict the allowed characters even more? e.g. no underscore, dot, etc?
[09:44] <pitti> bdrung_work: I don't know a reason why it shoudl be restricted further
[09:45] <bdrung_work> underscore is not allowed in the distribution name in Debian and derivatives
[10:26] <rbasak> cjwatson: do you have an opinion on bug 1588457 please?
[10:28] <cjwatson> rbasak: I don't think it would be wise to try to restore the old behaviour on upgrade; upstream made the change for a good reason.  IMO this is release notes kind of material
[10:29] <rbasak> cjwatson: thanks. Do we change release notes post-release?
[10:29] <cjwatson> Sure
[10:29] <rbasak> I'll do that then and mark the bug Won't Fix. Thanks!
[10:30] <cjwatson> Almost (but not quite) by definition - many release-notes-worthy issues are only discovered post-release
[10:30] <cjwatson> I would consider adding a NEWS.Debian entry if that would be helpful
[10:30] <cjwatson> (I did call it out in the changelog at the time)
[10:31] <rbasak> I'm not sure how many users look at that nowadays but it does seem like the right thing to do.
[10:33] <cjwatson> rbasak: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-ssh/openssh.git/commit/?id=79139a04a0183cd47f3e837fa76fe5d51e62fcc9
[10:33] <rbasak> Thank you!
[10:47] <rbasak> pitti: may I have your opinion on bug 1588915 please?
[10:51] <pitti> rbasak: followed up
[10:51] <rbasak> pitti: thank you!
[10:51] <pitti> yw!
[11:29] <xnox> today is evil day
[12:04] <teward> pitti: I swear there's at least six bug reports on it
[12:05] <teward> I'll have to dig up bugs, I know sarnold filed several against packages which have had issues
[12:05] <teward> though they problaby should have been dual-filed against Apport as well
[12:05] <teward> since they were in the 'generic' apport hooks that apport runs for most bugs
[12:14] <teward> pitti: here's one such bug that looks similar
[12:14] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1582950
[12:14] <teward> that one's for Ubiquity, yes, but the error string is one I've seen in many hooks
[12:14]  * teward digs in nginx bugs
[12:15] <teward> pitti: here's one, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/257302123/HookError_ubuntu.txt on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1577059 shows the hook error I'm referring to
[12:16] <teward> and here (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260081000/HookError_ubuntu.txt) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1582954
[12:16] <teward> in some cases my hooks get choked up, in others they don't
[12:19] <teward> i'm more concerned about the "AttributeError: 'bytes' object has no attribute 'encode'" issue which appears to crop up most
[12:19] <teward> and that's in general apport hooks, not package-specific
[12:46] <caribou> ginggs: Are you working on merging clamav ?
[14:01] <ginggs> caribou: no
[14:01] <caribou> ginggs: ok fine, I'm taking care of it
[15:03] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[15:06] <cyphermox> howdy
[15:07] <sil2100> !
[15:07] <sil2100> Uh oh, sorry guys
[16:29] <nacc> ogasawara: did you ever find out about the mainline builds for xenial?
[16:30] <bjf> apw, ^ ?
[17:01] <apw> nacc, ?
[17:04] <nacc> apw: this page: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D shows mainline builds (4.6-rc6, e.g.) for wily and yakkety, but not xenial
[17:04] <nacc> apw: a user was asking waht version to use to test on xenial for a possible mainline fix
[17:16] <apw> nacc, those -<series> things tell you the config used not where it is suitable for
[17:17] <nacc> apw: oh!
[17:17] <nacc> that is ... confusing
[17:17] <nacc> given the wiki page referring to it, i think
[17:17] <apw> yea, i suspect we should remove the suffix completely
[17:18] <nacc> apw: ok, so the user could use the -yakkety one ok on xenial? or would we not recommend that? i was worried about dependencies
[17:18] <tjaalton> it's fine
[17:18] <apw> nacc, mostly you should be ok, except when you arn't
[17:18] <nacc> heh
[17:18] <nacc> tjaalton: apw: ok, thanks!
[19:38] <nacc> rbasak: around?


[09:25] <lool> ogra: When you used the linux-omap tree to build the EVM kernels, do you remember what was missing from the mainline ones?
[09:25] <ogra> graphics support is one thing i remember
[09:25] <ogra> well, DVI to be precise, the LCD worked
[09:26] <lool> Ok
[09:26] <lool> I wonder if things moved in the mainline since
[09:27] <ogra> i think on the EVM i had all other HW working, the defconfig needs changes though
[09:27] <ogra> *needed
[09:28] <ogra> beagle is wuite different the whole framebuffer stuff isnt in linux-omap afaik, you need OE patches
[09:28] <ogra> *quite
[09:34] <amitk> DSS2 (display support) is still WIP for OMAP. But I don't know about the DVI specifically.
[09:34] <lool> amitk: Do you have beagle/EVM boards?
[09:35] <amitk> no beagle
[09:35] <amitk> I have OMAP3 SDPs from TI
[09:49] <lool> Uh
[09:49] <lool> IIUC you can add 512 MB of RAM to your beagleboard with a trivial add on
[09:49] <ogra> cute
[09:50] <lool> (512MB NAND/256MB Mobile DDR SDRAM available from DigiKey)
[09:50] <ogra> only for C3 i guess
[09:50] <lool> I'm not sure whether it's a replacement or an add on
[09:51]  * ogra only has a B6 :/
[09:57] <ogra> lool, http://www.micron.com/products/mcps/beagleboard_partlist looks like you can get even bigger parts
[09:58] <ogra> err, ignore me ... 2G bits ....
[10:06] <lool> Yes, it's Gb not GB
[10:06] <lool> I think the modules are replacements actually; so you can only buy 256 MB not mroe
[10:06] <ogra> yeah, i misread
[10:16] <lool> Hmm the gcc info is wrong on the beagle with ubuntu page
[10:17] <lool> eek sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 /usr/lib/libXau.so.0
[10:19] <lool> Hmpf instead of linking to binary *.kos for jaunty and 2.6.29 it would be nice to provide instructions on how to build them   :-/
[10:22] <lool> amitk: Which tree do you use for your TI OMAP dev boards?  linux-omap from tmlind?
[10:33] <ogra> wow, my qemu-arm-eabi hack gets much attention ... to bad its such an evil hack, i would package it in the distro instead
[10:33] <Stskeeps> curious, is it the latest qemu version?
[10:33] <ogra> 0.10.x is the lastest in ubuntu
[10:33] <Stskeeps> k
[10:34] <Stskeeps> i started employing it in my own scripts, a good indicator if i can use it to build images
[10:34] <ogra> well, 0.10.5 actually
[10:45] <lool> ogra: We just need a newer qemu; no need to package it separately
[10:45] <lool> ogra: It's not a bad hack
[10:45] <lool> Just unsuitable for some use cases
[10:45] <ogra> lool, well, i want it to work automatically as soon as the package is installed
[10:46] <ogra> (with the proper binfmt setup out of the box)
[10:46] <ogra> and with bad hack i was referring to *my* package
[10:49] <lool> I'm sure this can all be done when we refresh our qemu
[10:49] <lool> I think kirkland has a spec on this
[10:53] <amitk> lool: you'll need linux-omap and the PM patchset mantained by Kevin Hilman
[10:54] <lool> amitk: Ok; thanks


[00:08] <phunyguy> can someone help me figure out how to sync some music on my phone with amarok, and have it transcode to mp3? Currently I tell it to copy to that collection, but it keeps the flac format.
[00:08] <phunyguy> cant find an option to tell it to transcode to mp3
[00:55] <vladimir> hi any one here?
[01:03] <sergiyk0> anybody here?
[01:05] <sergiyk0> can someone tell me how to make kubuntu remember wifi password? because everytime i start the computer it asks me for a password?
[01:11] <vladimir> help please
[01:18] <Guest81658> hey, I just booted up and my touchpad isn't working
[01:18] <`Korvin> any ideas?
[01:46] <phunyguy> oh for cryin out loud.  I am trying to want to use amarok, but I can't make it do what I want.  I just want it to encode to another format when copying to my phone.  And perhaps a synch feature.  Does anyone else have any suggestions for working software to do this in kde?
[01:57] <`Korvin> I updated my nvidia driver, and now kdm wont boot
[02:41] <chronos> hello.
[02:42] <chronos> someone here has Galaxy S 2 and Kubuntu?
[02:42] <chronos> the MTP in kde isn't working as expected... I can't browse my smartphone cards
[04:42] <bsdfreak> Good evening!  Anyone having issues with Precise not loading the KDE desktop after logging in?  It happened to me after running an aptitude update.
[04:43] <szal> bsdfreak: #ubuntu+1 for Precise questions please
[04:44] <Linkmaster> bsdfreak: I am not currently running Precise, but see if all your file permissions are still yours, and then, after that, try putting a fresh .kde in there
[04:45] <bsdfreak> Linkmaster: Thanks.  Seems to happen even in a test account I just created.
[04:45] <bsdfreak> szal: OK.
[04:45]  * Linkmaster shrugs
[04:46] <Linkmaster> I'll install the 64-bit on here sometime or another, no time now. but ask in the channel that sz recommended, so as we don't clog this channel up
[04:46] <bsdfreak> np
[06:12] <cancer> Hi
[06:12] <Daskreech> hi
[06:27] <seshagiri> I've installed Kubuntu 11.10 in  Lenovo G550. I don't have seperate keys for tuning on network and bluetooth. I restarted the bluetooth service. But still the the bluetooth icon in the icon tray is showing no apapters found. I googled but didn't any particular solutions. The status tip is showing the bluetooth:off
[06:29] <GirlyGirl> seshagiri: The pc has no bluetooth on/off keys?
[06:31] <seshagiri> GirlyGirl: no it doesn't have seperate bluetooth keys. In ubuntu if i turn on the wireless card the bluetooth gets automatically on. I don't know what is the  kubunutu hack to turn on the bluetooth :/
[06:34] <seshagiri> i did service bluetooth restart but no effect :/
[06:34] <GirlyGirl> seshagiri: Bluetooth service restart won't help.. is the device on as per indicator lights?
[06:43] <Daskreech> !info kbluetooth
[06:44] <Daskreech> !info bluedevil
[06:45] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: the person left
[06:45] <seshagiri> yes i am still here
[06:45] <Daskreech> Was just trying to remember the bluetooth package
[06:51] <almoxarife> cancer: wine once removed does stay in the menu/s, probably a bug, but the wine packaged if it was un-installed is actually gone, unless you have 'team-viewer' in which case its still in /opt/......
[07:03] <Sh0rtW4v3> i was told recently that there is a PPA with a package that addresses the malfunctioning task manager (ghost buttons, min/max not working, etc). would anyone here know which PPA that is?
[07:10] <OrdosTrinitus_> does anyone have a minute for a sanity check?
[07:10] <brently> i need some help with kubuntu 12.04 please
[07:10] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: shoot
[07:11] <almoxarife> brently: me too
[07:11] <OrdosTrinitus_> i swapped laptops and now have new hardware, I'm trying to configure my kismet.conf file but something is inaccurate in my sources
[07:12] <OrdosTrinitus_> and i cannot remember what i did to get the source  the last time  i did this lol
[07:12] <brently> just installed 12.04. trying to set up bluetooth tether with vlack berry. anyone here able to help?
[07:12] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: sources= wlan?
[07:14] <OrdosTrinitus_> 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
[07:14] <OrdosTrinitus_> FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'RTL8188CE' in source 'RTL8188CE,wlan3,WLAN_intern'
[07:15] <brently> in 11.04 i would pair the blackberry with my laoptop. and it would ask if i wanted to connect to DUN. then send me to a wizard.
[07:15] <OrdosTrinitus_> what am i doing wrong
[07:16] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: pastebin the conf?
[07:16] <OrdosTrinitus_> seems like in my old sources file it read something like iwlxxx,wlan3,addme
[07:16] <GirlyGirl> brently: 12.04 discussion why don't you try #ubuntu+1
[07:16] <brently> oh didnt know..
[07:17] <brently> so like now in 12.04 it asks to connect to DUN. then doesnt give me the wizard. any thoughts?
[07:19] <almoxarife> brently: is it something that may not have installed?
[07:19] <OrdosTrinitus_> hmm that didn't work
[07:20] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: is the point to capture from wlan3?
[07:21] <OrdosTrinitus_> yes
[07:21] <brently> hmm i seem to recall reading some packages that handled the usual mobile broadband providers info missing...
[07:21] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: so why the need to fixate on the 'rtl......'
[07:21] <brently> but that was a previous release
[07:22] <almoxarife> brently: perhaps 12.04 also has the same issue?
[07:23] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: the reason I am asking is because I only provide 'wlanx' to sources and it works fine
[07:23] <brently> so how to i start the wizard where i pick tmobile, the plan, and all that manually?
[07:23] <OrdosTrinitus_> FATAL: Illegal card source line 'wlan3'
[07:24] <almoxarife> brently: is the wizard installed?
[07:24] <OrdosTrinitus_> dosent seem to want to take just wlanx
[07:24] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: where is kismet.conf located?
[07:25] <almoxarife> etc?
[07:25] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: what version of kismet?
[07:25] <OrdosTrinitus_> /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[07:27] <OrdosTrinitus_> Kismet 2008.05.R1
[07:28] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: that is an older version,
[07:29] <brently> almoxarife: what package would that be so I can look???
[07:30] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: version=2009-newcore
[07:30] <OrdosTrinitus_> k removing and running a fresh get
[07:30] <almoxarife> brently: I am not sure, but I can look,
[07:31] <brently> almoxarife: thanks please
[07:31] <OrdosTrinitus_> i didn't think about it but i have had this build up a long time even when my drive was dying i just ddrescued it to a new drive
[07:34] <almoxarife> brently: you could try installing 'bluez-compat'
[07:35] <brently> almoxarife: ok i will
[07:35] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: I got it from their ppa
[07:35] <OrdosTrinitus_> thanks for the help almo
[07:35] <almoxarife> OrdosTrinitus_: welcome
[07:36] <brently> bluez-cups and bluez are already installed... hmm
[07:37] <almoxarife> brently: you could try installing 'bluez-compat'
[07:37] <brently> i just did... now what?
[07:38] <almoxarife> brently: re-do your steps
[07:39] <brently> nope didnt help
[07:49] <brently> I was hoping someone could tell me what to do to make it work :)
[07:59] <brently> is it possible to replace the network-manager package with a previous version?
[08:20] <brently> submitted a bug report with help from #ubuntu+1 channel... thanks guys!!!!
[09:06] <Daskreech> brently, it is
[11:22] <psylocibe> Hi guys, I have a strange problem with KDE
[11:22] <psylocibe> every so often some apps like Firefox and Thunderbird won't start
[11:22] <psylocibe> they will appear as <defunct> processes
[11:23] <psylocibe> in the output of "ps"
[11:23] <psylocibe> they will hang forever
[11:23] <psylocibe> with no error messages
[11:23] <psylocibe> the error will persist after a logout or a reboot
[11:23] <psylocibe> and the only way for me to make firefox work again
[11:24] <psylocibe> is to delete my .kde directory and start afresh
[11:35] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question: I updated my kubuntu 11.10 to KDE4.8, using backports and now the gtk integration is somehow damaged
[11:35] <howlymowly> any idea?
[11:35] <Tm_T> howlymowly: how it is broken?
[11:36] <howlymowly> Tm_T: The only theme engine I can use is the default "raleigh" theme
[11:36] <howlymowly> but qt-curve, ocygen-gtk  and all these themes do not work anymore
[11:36] <Tm_T> doesn't happen here, hmm
[11:37] <howlymowly> Tm_T: I deleted all config files in my home directory
[11:37] <howlymowly> or at least all those config files that I though were relevant
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:52] <psylocibe> :)
[12:29] <cancer> cannot copy file to 'user/src'? any help
[12:30] <BluesKaj> cancer,  do you mean /usr/src ?
[12:30] <bazhang> !crosspost | cancer
[12:32] <cancer> blueskaj: yes
[12:33] <bazhang> cancer, you are already receiving help in #ubuntu ...
[12:34] <BluesKaj> cancer,  use root permissions with that file
[14:14] <elvispresley> bom dia
[14:16] <BluesKaj> good morning
[14:56] <faLUCE> hi. ubuntu 11.10 is supported until...?
[15:00] <`Korvin> nvidia drivers are now preventing kdm from starting
[15:06] <BluesKaj> !support | faLUCE
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hmm, wrong factoid
[15:07] <Pici> They've already been helped in #u anyway.
[15:19] <Timmy_> when will kubuntu 12.04 LTS be released?
[15:20] <Pici> Timmy_: Generally the same date as the Ubuntu release, which is April 26th
[15:21] <Timmy_> ok, what date is today?
[15:22] <Timmy_> aaaah, tooo long, i prefer use debian
[15:22] <Timmy_> part bye
[15:33] <qw-Russian> hello
[15:33] <qw-Russian> all
[15:34] <`Korvin> hey, I have a kubuntu hdd that has it's home dir encrypted, I know the password, but I'm not booted into it, it's just mounted
[15:34] <qw-Russian> help me please
[15:34] <`Korvin> how can I view the files?
[15:36] <qw-Russian> I would like to set Linux but does not know what the best of all distributive to set
[15:36] <qw-Russian> 'Korvin may be /etc/passwd
[15:36] <qw-Russian> ?
[15:45] <`Korvin> qw-Russian, what do you mean
[15:46] <Tm_T> `Korvin: the folder is encrypted, or the whole partition?
[15:47] <Tm_T> qw-Russian: if you ask here what's best Linux distribution, the obvious answer is Kubuntu
[15:47] <`Korvin> just the folder
[15:47] <`Korvin> I chose the require password to decrypt home directory option
[15:47] <`Korvin> when installing
[15:47] <qw-Russian> Tm_T it is all ?
[15:48] <oneadvent_> hi i would like to know how to get my samba shares to start on computer restart (connects automatically to wired network), as it is when I reboot I can ssh in but someone locally has to log in to get samba shares working. I shared them by using dolphin and right clicking and sharing.
[15:48] <Tm_T> qw-Russian: I'm unsure what you're asking (:
[15:49] <`Korvin> Tm_T, any ideda?
[15:49] <`Korvin> idea*
[15:49] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: Kubuntu is my favourite version of Linux.  It's very full featured.
[15:50] <qw-Russian> now in my notebock set Linux Spark
[15:50] <Tm_T> `Korvin: I wonder if this helps any: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering_Your_Data_Manually
[15:50] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: But as to which distribution of Linux is best, only you can answer that question.  Do you want a simple, easy to use version?
[15:51] <qw-Russian> Do you want a simple, easy to use version? - no, may be pro
[15:51] <jipang_menjerit> is there bugs on amarok kde 4.8?
[15:51] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: Then Kubuntu is a good version for you.
[15:51] <DarthFrog> !kubuntu | qw-Russian
[15:52] <qw-Russian> thanks
[15:52] <`Korvin> Tm_T, looks right, but sudo: encryptfs-add-passphrase: command not found
[15:52] <oneadvent_> j/join #pensacola_linux
[15:52] <oneadvent_> er
[15:52] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: And there is support for Kubuntu in Russian: #kubuntu-ru
[15:52] <qw-Russian> but it this version we have programming language ?
[15:53] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: It has everything you want.
[15:53] <qw-Russian> im am understand English  )
[15:53] <bazhang> DarthFrog, its #ubuntu-ru
[15:54] <Tm_T> `Korvin: install ecryptfs-utils
[15:54] <DarthFrog> bazhang: So it is, thanks.
[15:54] <qw-Russian> i would like full pack's programming language example: C++, lazarus and full web language
[15:54] <`Korvin> yeah I found that
[15:55] <Tm_T> `Korvin: honestly said I don't know much of those encrypted homefolders done by ubuntu installer, so cannot say how it is in your system
[15:55] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: They are all available for Kubuntu.
[15:55] <`Korvin> no problem, you googled better results than I did =p
[15:55] <qw-Russian> =)
[15:56] <qw-Russian> LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[15:56] <qw-Russian> Distributor ID:	Spark
[15:56] <qw-Russian> Description:	Spark 10.4
[15:56] <qw-Russian> Release:	10.4
[15:56] <qw-Russian> Codename:	lucid
[15:56] <qw-Russian> qw@ubuntu:~$
[15:56] <FloodBotK1> qw-Russian: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:00] <`Korvin> Tm_T, how does sudo mount -t ecryptfs /home/korvin/.Private /home/korvin/Private mount the dir?
[16:00] <`Korvin> because it's failing to
[16:01] <qw-Russian> and what difference between mac and kubuntu
[16:02] <Tm_T> `Korvin: is ~/.Private where your encrypted data is?
[16:02] <ikonia> qw-Russian: mac is an operating system, kubuntu is the ubuntu operating system with kde for a desktop
[16:03] <`Korvin> no, it's on another hdd, but the .Private file is only accessible when the disk isn't mounted
[16:03] <qw-Russian> thanks
[16:04] <Tm_T> then try mount where your encrypted data is to an empty folder
[16:04] <qw-Russian> i'm search in web site  next Linux Deepin 11.12.1 [i386 + x86_64]
[16:06] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: If you're new to Linux, you should choose one of the major distros (Kubuntu, Fedora, SuSE, Debian) rather than a minor one.
[16:07] <EvilResistance> i agree with DarthFrog
[16:07] <DarthFrog> And, personally, instead of Fedora, I'd suggest CentOS instead.
[16:07] <qw-Russian> i can update (upgrade) my os from this version Linux ?
[16:08] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: What are you running now?
[16:09] <qw-Russian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/880544/
[16:09] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: The next time someone asks you that question, Just answer "Lucid" or "10.04". :-)
[16:10] <qw-Russian> yes or no ?=)
[16:10] <DarthFrog> You can update from Lucid (10.04) to Precise (12.04) when Precise is released next month.  But not to any other distro.
[16:12] <qw-Russian> to the best of my knowledge 12.04 is  beta version
[16:12] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: It is indeed in beta right now.  It will be released late in April.
[16:12] <qw-Russian> last update my system to 12.04 do i have problem
[16:12] <EvilResistance> !12.04
[16:13] <EvilResistance> that includes Kubuntu afaik
[16:13] <spaceneedle>  I Installed Kubuntu 12.04 on my desktop, but I don't see linux mint 12 at all. In fact there is no operating selection screen at all. It just boots up to kubuntu.
[16:13] <DarthFrog> spaceneedle: Lucky you! :-)
[16:14] <qw-Russian> but i upgrade my bubuntu is off
[16:14] <qw-Russian> and i reinstall system
[16:14] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: Then don't upgrade.  Lucid is supported for another year.
[16:16] <qw-Russian> that I can not upgrade
[16:17] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: Cannot?  Of course you can.  if you wait a year, you'll have support for Lucid for that whole time.  And then, when you upgrade to Precise in a year's time, Precise will have a year's worth of bug fixes itself.
[16:18] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: We have a saying in English: If it isn't broken, don't fix it. :-)
[16:19] <DarthFrog> qw-Russian: And if your Lucid OS isn't broken ....
[16:20] <qw-Russian> an update is well-built to me no hurry
[16:22] <`Korvin> ls
[16:22] <`Korvin> habit ^
[16:23] <`Korvin> EvilResistance, I just booted up into that disk that was connected with esata, now my grub is all fudged up
[16:23] <`Korvin> it goes to grub rescue
[16:23] <`Korvin> says it can't find the disk
[16:23] <`Korvin> the hdd
[16:25] <`Korvin> i installed grub again, let me try it
[16:39] <dgirz> chanserv access #channel list
[16:44] <chronos> someone already have this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68042/hibernate-locks-out-session-instead-of-hibernating-kde-11-10-64-bit
[16:47] <Dan-The-Man> anyone know why kekonq and dolphin always show up pinned to my taskmanager on reboot or relogin even if i unpin them?  It happens every time
[16:48] <Dan-The-Man> rekonq*
[16:52] <`Korvin> I downloaed boot-fixer or something like that, and it restored my windows boot recored
[16:52] <`Korvin> record
[16:53] <`Korvin> so I never get the option to switch to kubuntu, it just boots windows
[17:02] <markus> moin
[17:51] <Fanfare> Q: Is it possible to do kdm -> virtualbox. Could that work? I dont mean autostart, but login directly into virtualbox from kdm...
[18:03] <BlouBlou> guys, I can't get the key which is < pointing up. The one that you use to writte exponents, ²
[18:03] <BlouBlou> that we use
[18:05] <oneadvent_> ^
[18:05] <oneadvent_> there you can copy and paste it now
[18:06] <BlouBlou> oneadvent_: oh, that you... now really, how can I configure kubuntu to work with it?
[18:06] <BlouBlou> thank you
[18:06] <BlouBlou> damn, asking questions and making homeworks isn't a good idea
[18:06] <oneadvent_>  no prob BlouBlou just return it when you are done with it
[18:07] <BlouBlou> oneadvent_: so, you don't know how to solve it
[18:07] <qw-Russian> how help me please about Wi-Fi
[18:07] <oneadvent_> :) i'm not even sure what the question is...standard keyboards use shift and 6 to get it
[18:13] <oneadvent_> BlouBlou: alt-94 would do it too
[18:14] <BlouBlou> oneadvent_: it does not
[18:14] <oneadvent_> hmmm
[18:15] <oneadvent_> try ctrl-alt-94
[18:15] <oneadvent_> http://alt-codes.org/list/
[18:15] <oneadvent_> that is what i'm using as a guide
[18:18] <oneadvent_> I'll never know :(
[18:20] <qw-Russian> I want to create it the internet  of Wi-fi network but how to create it I do not know ...  Prompt me from what to begin to on stage if it is possible? Thank you.
[18:20] <`Korvin> ut
[18:20] <`Korvin> wut
[18:20] <`Korvin> are you using a translator?
[18:22] <maco> !ru | qw-Russian
[18:25] <JMichaelX>  i was told recently that there is a PPA with a package that addresses the malfunctioning task manager (ghost buttons, min/max not working, etc). would anyone here know which PPA that is?
[18:35] <JMichaelX> every time i open thunderbird, two instances are opened. if i close one, the other closes, too. anyone else seeing this?
[18:36] <JMichaelX> ok, i guess it is just one process... but two windows are opened
[18:40] <JMichaelX> ok, figured that one out. some kind of problem with the minimize to tray extension
[18:45] <`korvin> I'm trying to restore grub and I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/880761/
[18:55] <designbybeck_> Our Kubuntu Linux public access computer is Live! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150667483419847&l=37d0951719
[18:55] <designbybeck_> This is in our commons area of our universities Library
[18:57] <JMichaelX>  i was told recently that there is a PPA with a package that addresses the malfunctioning task manager (ghost buttons, min/max not working, etc). would anyone here know which PPA that is?
[18:57] <Promethes> hi, what app is best for cd audio ripping? KAudioCreator is not in repositories so i need alternatives. Nayone?
[18:58] <Promethes> *Anyone?
[18:59] <`korvin> can anyone help me install grub
[18:59] <`korvin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/880787/
[19:00] <`korvin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/880784/
[19:02] <tsimpson> Promethes: K3b can rip audio CDs, and is pre-installed (you may need libk3b6-extracodecs installed for MP3 support)
[19:05] <excognac> 10.8-32 Mb/sec is acceptable speed for moving files from an ntfs partition to ext4 with core i3 4 Gb RAM? browser and dolphin running only otherwise?
[19:10] <tsimpson> excognac: the speed depends mostly on your hardware (how fast your drives spin, bus throughput, cache etc), so it's not so much to do with what you're doing at the moment. unless you're doing (other) heavy reading/writing to the same disks, which is a web browser/file manager probably aren't doing
[19:10] <tsimpson> short answer is that it's a pretty decent speed for a "standard/recent" system
[19:11] <excognac> tsimpson: thanks
[19:12] <excognac> that was very helpfule, and yeah, how the hd is jumpered etc, absolutely right
[19:13] <excognac> tsimpson: but it is normal that typing right into this chatwindow is appears slowly?
[19:14] <excognac> *appearing
[19:14] <tsimpson> heavy IO can do that, because the CPU is sending a lot of signals to the OS, saying it has new input for it to process
[19:15] <tsimpson> the input from copying files, and the input from the physical keyboard key press
[19:15] <Promethes> tsimpson: yes, but i ripped cd 5 minutes ago and half of the tags (Artist and Album names) are empty in created ogg files, so K3b does not doing this task well
[19:21] <tsimpson> Promethes: you can also just navigate to "audiocd:/" in dolphin (or any other KDE app) and use that interface
[20:37] <Sh0rtW4v3>  i was told recently that there is a PPA with a package that addresses the malfunctioning task manager (ghost buttons, min/max not working, etc). would anyone here know which PPA that is?
[22:02] <BarkingFish> Evening guys. Can anyone remind me how to change the commands grub2 receives at boot please?   At the moment it's loading with the options   ro  quiet  splash
[22:02] <BarkingFish> I want to set it to boot with rw  verbose noplymouth, but can't make it do this permanently right now
[22:05] <yofel_> BarkingFish: I'm not sure why you would want rw, but the other options are set in /etc/default/grub
[22:05] <yofel_> !grub2
[22:05] <yofel_> for reference
[22:06] <BarkingFish> ok yofel, thanks for that :)
[22:38] <JMichaelX>  i was told recently that there is a PPA with a package that addresses the malfunctioning task manager (ghost buttons, min/max not working, etc). would anyone here know which PPA that is?
[22:53] <crevolante> ho controllato gli update, non riesco a aggiotnare linux-generic, linux-header-generic e linux-image generic a meno di non disinstallare prima la vecchia versione
[22:53] <BarkingFish> !it
[22:54] <crevolante> sorry wrong channel
[22:54] <BarkingFish> no problem
[23:48] <muji8u> hello guys
[23:48] <muji8u> first time using kubuntu :P
[23:49] <muji8u> what would u guys recommand is a good video editing software for ubuntu
[23:49] <DarthFrog> kino
[23:50] <muji8u> hmm can any1 help me with images.google.com? its only showing them in like rows of 4.....
[23:50] <muji8u> i want it to take up the whole page, im using rekonq


[00:51] <cprofitt> pleia2: are we on for tonight at 9pm EST?
[00:52] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: yes
[01:32] <nigel_nb> meeting in t - 30?
[01:40] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[01:40] <nigel_nb> i was afraid I'd miss it
[01:40] <nigel_nb> my router's been acting up
[01:40] <nigel_nb> got kicked out of my network for 2 hours, for no reason
[01:40] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[01:41] <FFEMTcJ> I feel like sh... crap
[01:41] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: stuck at work?
[01:41] <FFEMTcJ> yup.. and sick now
[01:41] <FFEMTcJ> still have 35 hours left...
[01:41] <nigel_nb> 35 hours?
[01:41] <nigel_nb> wat??
[01:42] <FFEMTcJ> 13 down
[01:42] <nigel_nb> u have to work for 35 hours???
[01:42] <FFEMTcJ> 35 more hours
[01:43] <FFEMTcJ> all day today, all day tomorrow, off tues, all day wed, off thurs fri, all day sat sun of mon/tues
[01:44] <nigel_nb> on-call or in office?
[01:44] <FFEMTcJ> in
[01:44] <nigel_nb> okay thats bad
[01:44] <nigel_nb> really bad
[01:45] <FFEMTcJ> normally i work 24  hours on 48 off, but we can "trade days" with people sometimes, so im workin 48 today/tomorrow and 48 sat/sun cause i got two days off from other people workin for me
[01:45] <nigel_nb> what do u work as, if I may take the freedom to ask
[01:45] <FFEMTcJ> ff = fire fighter emt = emt, allthought now a paramedic
[01:46] <FFEMTcJ> i wish i could take some nyquil
[01:46] <nigel_nb> oh, that way
[01:47] <nigel_nb> at least you'll be sitting around doing noting for some time
[01:47] <FFEMTcJ> in theory
[01:47] <FFEMTcJ> i think we have run 6 calls so far
[01:47] <nigel_nb> oh oh
[01:48] <nigel_nb> but then every job has its own difficulties
[01:48] <nigel_nb> i gotta work only 8 hours, but I gotta be banging on my keyboard the whole time
[01:48] <FFEMTcJ> i just hope i can get some sleep  tonight
[01:48] <nigel_nb> there's this thing
[01:48] <nigel_nb> u probably know
[01:48] <FFEMTcJ> and see, i spend more than 8 hours (as long as i can) on the keyboard at work
[01:49] <nigel_nb> the adrenaline rush that you get when you save someone or help someon
[01:49] <nigel_nb> that ought to keep you awake
[01:49] <FFEMTcJ> i love the rush.. but we run so much b.s. that doesnt get the rush
[01:49] <FFEMTcJ> id do 48 hours without sleep as long as im running real calls
[01:49] <FFEMTcJ> stubbed toes, or calling me because you cant sleep, when i was sleeping.. not so much
[01:50] <nigel_nb> oops
[01:50] <nigel_nb> u actually get those "calling me because I cant sleep" calls?
[01:50] <nigel_nb> isnt it illegal?
[01:50] <FFEMTcJ> nope
[01:50] <FFEMTcJ> you call we hall
[01:50] <nigel_nb> probably it might fall into suicidal ideation category
[01:50] <FFEMTcJ> thats the beauty of our current *free* heathcare system
[01:51] <nigel_nb> free healthcare?
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> yup..
[01:51] <nigel_nb> wait a min, you're not in US?
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> in us
[01:51] <nigel_nb> US and free healthcare?
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> a hospital cannot turn a pt away
[01:51] <nigel_nb> okay, I'm properly shocked
[01:51] <nigel_nb> ah, that way
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> because they recieve federal money
[01:52] <FFEMTcJ> people go there to get refills on their Rx, and call us to get them there
[01:53] <nigel_nb> paramedics?
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> uh huh
[01:53] <nigel_nb> to get people to hospital to refill medications?
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> uh huh
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> you call, we haul
[01:53] <nigel_nb> I can't find an appropriate word that wouldn't be against the CoC :P
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> speaking of which.. i gota a call.. bbl
[01:54]  * pleia2 comes home with some takeout foods
[01:54] <nigel_nb> wb pleia2
[01:54] <pleia2> thanks
[01:54] <nigel_nb> its 7:25
[01:54] <nigel_nb> 5 mins to go
[01:55] <nigel_nb> I mean 0155 UTC
[01:55] <pleia2> yep
[01:59] <nigel_nb> any news of martin?
[01:59] <pleia2> nope
[01:59] <pleia2> last I knew he was quite ill :(
[01:59] <nigel_nb> oh :(
[01:59] <nigel_nb> looks like all of us are taking turns
[01:59] <pleia2> yep
[01:59] <nigel_nb> I guess I led the way :P
[02:00] <pleia2> yeah thanks :)
[02:00] <pleia2> ok, #ubuntu-meeting
[02:00] <pleia2> cprofitt: you joining us?
[02:02] <pleia2> no vantrax either :(
[02:03] <nigel_nb> paultag: around?
[02:03] <nigel_nb> BiosElement: meeting?
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> back
[02:05] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: #ubuntu-meeting
[02:05] <nigel_nb> we've started
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[02:33] <cprofitt> hey guys...
[02:33] <nigel_nb> yes
[02:33] <cprofitt> I have some questions about Bzr when you have a chance
[02:33] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: fire away, I'm not an expert, but since I'm writing the lesson, I have a good idea
[02:35] <cprofitt> will there be one Bzr entry for each class or one Bzr entry for our entire project?
[02:35] <nigel_nb> well, each class will have one entry
[02:36] <nigel_nb> I suspect it will get merged as we move on
[02:36] <cprofitt> ok...
[02:36] <cprofitt> I really have not worked with Bzr...
[02:36] <cprofitt> so just kind of curious
[02:36] <nigel_nb> I started learning with the lesson
[02:37] <nigel_nb> its easy
[02:37] <nigel_nb> I didn't know anything till I started the lesson, martin gave me a lesson
[02:37] <cprofitt> with the lesson?
[02:38] <nigel_nb> i mean on IRC
[02:38] <cprofitt> ah...
[02:38] <nigel_nb> a session, martin, BiosElement_, and mhall119 pitched in to help
[02:38] <cprofitt> we need to develop a 'lesson' that is in writing -- Moodle or otherwise for the future.
[02:38] <nigel_nb> I'm doing the introduction to bzr course
[02:38] <nigel_nb> almost done
[02:39] <nigel_nb> once I'm done, we can work together to get it too moodle
[02:39] <nigel_nb> I want to learn moodle too
[02:39] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I can help with Moodle, but I want to develop a course
[02:39] <nigel_nb> on asciidoc?
[02:39] <cprofitt> I walked pleia2 and Martin through Moodle, but I do not think it was sufficient to really help
[02:40] <FFEMTcJ> just got another instructor
[02:40] <nigel_nb> oh, you want a lesson completed
[02:40] <pleia2> I think having content is vital at this point
[02:40] <cprofitt> nice
[02:40] <pleia2> without actually doing it, it's tricky to learn for me
[02:40] <nigel_nb> so that we can actually convert to moodle and everyone gets the idea?
[02:40] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yeah, that's what I need :)
[02:40] <cprofitt> yeah...
[02:40] <nigel_nb> how long are you both gonna be up?
[02:40] <cprofitt> and I hope to take a few of the courses and do that... and really develop a process
[02:40] <cprofitt> I will be on for another hour or two
[02:41] <cprofitt> I may not be glued to irssi though
[02:41] <nigel_nb> because I have only some 3 sections to complete
[02:41] <nigel_nb> I can finish it fast
[02:41] <nigel_nb> I just need someone here so that I can ask doubts
[02:41] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I will not have the time to convert it -- so do not rush
[02:41] <cprofitt> but when you get it done... walk me through what you have and then I can start converting to Moodle
[02:41] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: before you convert, it needs to be reviewed
[02:42] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I can always reconvert...
[02:42] <cprofitt> it would be good, unapproved or not, to do a dry run
[02:42] <nigel_nb> good point, to flush out the processes
[02:43] <nigel_nb> pleia2: I spoke with nhandler__ about the topic
[02:44] <nigel_nb> he says it could be done, but he'll check with the board and get back
[02:45] <pleia2> nigel_nb: ok thanks :)
[02:45] <nigel_nb> who's indigo by the way?
[02:45] <pleia2> cprofitt
[02:46] <nigel_nb> okay, thats a confusing ID
[02:46] <pleia2> confused me for a while too, he doesn't sign his emails or put his name in the emails *cough* ;)
[02:46] <cprofitt> indigo is a left over from my days of working with the secret service on a case
[02:46] <cprofitt> I obsfucated my existence on the web
[02:46] <FFEMTcJ> i looked at cprofitt's wiki page too
[02:46]  * nigel_nb bows
[02:47] <cprofitt> I thik I am singing my name now pleia2
[02:47] <nigel_nb> yea, you did that on the last mail, which I replied
[02:47] <nigel_nb> I did wonder who it was
[02:48] <nigel_nb> no where else though
[02:48] <nigel_nb> oh and pleia2, gonna be around?
[02:48] <pleia2> tonight?
[02:48] <nigel_nb> yea
[02:49] <pleia2> doubtful, exhaustion is taking over again
[02:49]  * FFEMTcJ is thinking about trying to pass out
[02:49] <nigel_nb> I need a quick update of what went wrong
[02:49] <nigel_nb> when u used the scripts that is
[02:50] <pleia2> nigel_nb: not "the scripts" just asciidoc filename.txt on some
[02:51] <pleia2> so you might want to run through and error check them all
[02:51] <nigel_nb> I did try that some time back and it did work
[02:51] <nigel_nb> must be something silly
[02:52] <nigel_nb> lemme check and get back to you pleia2
[02:53] <nigel_nb> pleia2: hahaha
[02:53] <nigel_nb> spelling mistake in the template
[02:53] <pleia2> ah :)
[02:53] <pleia2> that'll do it
[02:54] <FFEMTcJ> oops
[02:54]  * pleia2 seeks rest now
[02:55]  * nigel_nb grants
[02:55] <nigel_nb> :P
[02:55] <pleia2> :)
[02:56]  * nigel_nb has only 2 more sections to go
[14:22] <nigel_nb> pleia2: if didn't see it yet, 2 guys from Indian loco have agreed to take classes :)
[14:23] <pleia2> nigel_nb: I saw, that's great :)
[14:23] <nigel_nb> :)
[14:25] <nigel_nb> oh, by the way, I tried converted the asciidoc, looks like I need bioselement's help here
[14:25] <nigel_nb> its getting messed up, the width is not being controlled and "some" error
[14:29] <pleia2> I think you need to cut off your line width at 80 characters
[14:30] <pleia2> in the checkins it looks like it wasn't cut off at all
[14:39] <nigel_nb> It should be automatic
[14:39] <nigel_nb> if its manual, doesnt make sense, there should be a command that I could add
[15:08] <pleia2> vim has commands for easy line wrapping
[15:11] <nigel_nb> no i mean, something with asciidoc, when converting
[17:59] <mhall119> has anyone seen the good doctor?
[18:02] <pleia2> looks like he's still on the other side of the pond
[18:02] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[18:03] <mhall119> I at least got a legitimate opportunity to use a Dr. Who line
[18:03] <pleia2> :)
[18:03] <pleia2> he's been ill too, so between traveling, family and being sick, I doubt we'll see him much until he returns
[18:04] <mhall119> ah, ok
[18:04] <mhall119> that's okay, I see that zareason is doing the case badges, so I don't have to mooch of the Mass. team
[18:04]  * pleia2 nods
[18:15] <FFEMTcJ> mhall119: whatcha gonna teach for user days? ;-)
[18:16] <mhall119> who what?
[18:16] <mhall119> what'd I just get volunteered for?
[18:16] <FFEMTcJ> Teaching a 1 hour course for user days...
[18:16] <FFEMTcJ> hey.. do yall need help with week?
[18:18] <mhall119> FFEMTcJ: we're good for now
[18:18] <mhall119> got all the new computers into the shop
[18:18] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[18:19]  * FFEMTcJ is sick anyway.. but if you needed help.. i would've
[18:19] <mhall119> we're going to have an install-fest sometime soonish though to get Ubuntu on all of them
[18:19] <mhall119> I know
[18:19] <FFEMTcJ> sweet
[18:19] <FFEMTcJ> def want to be there
[18:19] <mhall119> yeah, there will be food again
[18:19] <FFEMTcJ> i really wish i wasnt stuck at work as bad as im feeling..
[18:19] <FFEMTcJ> plain ubuntu or?
[18:19] <mhall119> FFEMTcJ: it's no problem, my parents actually came over and helped me, it wasn't bad
[18:19] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[18:20] <mhall119> FFEMTcJ: stock Ubuntu on these, they're going to high school seniors who are facing entering college without a computer
[18:20] <FFEMTcJ> gotcha
[18:20] <FFEMTcJ> any thought on when?
[18:21] <FFEMTcJ> (this year/next year)
[18:21] <mhall119> not yet
[18:21] <mhall119> we're running out of "this year" time
[18:21] <FFEMTcJ> right
[18:21] <mhall119> but we might just have a handful of people over one saturday
[18:21] <mhall119> instead of planning a large event again
[18:21] <FFEMTcJ> i think thatd be better and more affordable
[18:22] <mhall119> yeah
[18:22] <mhall119> and less taxing on my sanity
[18:22] <FFEMTcJ> hehe
[18:23] <Pendulum> mhall119: and less taxing on Michelle's baking/cooking energy?
[18:23] <FFEMTcJ> i think she enjoyed all that cookinge
[18:23] <FFEMTcJ> cooking
[18:23] <mhall119> Pendulum: it would be, except she'll cook enough to feed an army anyway
[18:23] <mhall119> we tend to have 5 pounds of food per person, I think
[18:24] <Pendulum> I'm not sure I eat that much food in a week
[18:24] <mhall119> she needs to finish letting her arm heal though, before she does that
[18:24] <FFEMTcJ> ya
[18:25]  * FFEMTcJ is thinking about asking to take a nap
[18:26] <mhall119> at work already?
[18:28] <mhall119> FFEMTcJ: to answer your question from yesterday, I've never touched Ruby or Rails, sorry
[18:28] <FFEMTcJ> since 730 yesterday mornin
[18:28] <FFEMTcJ> gotcha
[18:28] <FFEMTcJ> I coundnt find the theme in bzr
[18:28] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: you have to ask to nap? when I was doing EMS they didn't care as long as we could get up quickly if a call came in
[18:29] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: technically its against SOP to sleep prior to 2000, however the Lt is allowed to deviate from that rule.. i was in charge yesterday, but not today...
[18:29] <Pendulum> ah
[18:29] <FFEMTcJ> bbiab.. have a teleconference i have to go be a part of
[18:51] <_marx_> pleia2: now appropriate time to mail loco list re: instructors, participants for UUD?
[18:51] <pleia2> _marx_: yeah, we can move forward with that
[18:52] <_marx_> good
[18:52] <pleia2> this is the email Nigel sent out to his loco team: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2009-December/006707.html
[18:52] <pleia2> so if someone wants to take/adapt that for loco-contacts, that'd be cool
[19:01] <_marx_> that was my understanding from reading the meeting log this am, just wanted to double check
[19:01]  * FFEMTcJ is back
[22:11] <mhall119> pleia2: I'm trying to think of something to do for ubuntu user days
[22:12] <mhall119> I was thinking maybe a GPG+Evolution session, but I'm not sure that's beginner-level enough.  FFEMTcJ said I should get your opinion
[22:58] <pleia2> mhall119: I think that's fine
[22:59] <mhall119> okay, I'll start thinking about what to do for that
[22:59] <pleia2> I think we need to strike a balance between "beginner enough to use irc, but not too advanced as to lose people"
[23:00] <mhall119> I think I can get the concepts and the practice across, without having to delve into the theory of GPG and cryptography
[23:16] <_marx_> nc loco has had 4 replies to UUD post; not counting akgraner 's three said IRC isn't beginner-ish enough
[23:17] <akgraner> _marx_, I was surprised by those responses... did you understand my response...
[23:18] <akgraner> but glad to know people feel that way about IRC though...
[23:18] <_marx_> yes, and good point on brainstorm
[23:19]  * _marx_ was surprised too, to me IRC isn't _that difficult
[23:22]  * _marx_ thinks in publicizing UUD there should be an emphasis on using webchat.freenode.net and possibly a session on IRC usage
[23:56] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_: or use lernid!
[23:57]  * _marx_ disagrees
[23:58] <_marx_> that would require a beginner-ish person to learn to use a Launchpad personal package archive
[23:58] <_marx_> maybe if lernid is in the next release
[23:59] <mhall119> you could make it a downloadable .deb


[06:06] <Myrtti> morn
[06:08] <Myrtti> we was thinking about Friday
[06:09] <Myrtti> would anyone be interested in a friendly boardgames moment instead of hitting the drink?
[06:10] <Myrtti> we can bring a few games over.
[06:12] <Myrtti> Tsuro and maybe Nuns on the Run, even though dsample thinks latter might be too complicated
[07:30] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ohhh you at Oggcamp ?
[07:57] <diplo> Morning all
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Coffee Day! :-D
[08:34] <foobarry> compiling bash from source for suse 10.1 :S
[08:38] <JamesTait> I remember having to compile stuff from source.  I was using Slackware when I started, but it couldn't be called Slackware after a while, I'd recompiled pretty much everything.
[08:38] <popey> Morning all.
[08:39] <directhex> cancelled my orange contract \o/
[08:40] <foobarry> going giffgaff?
[08:41] <directhex> three.
[08:41] <Myrtti> czajkowski: yup
[08:42] <popey> Myrtti: I'd be up for some games. I have "Cards agsinst Humanity" and "We didn't playtest this at all" which are both fun
[08:43] <Myrtti> werewolf might be nice too, I've never played it. We were thinking of what games we'd want to have at the wedding last night and werewolf came to mind.
[08:43] <Myrtti> that and obviously boardgames
[08:45] <foobarry> this game is fun http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saboteur-Path-Laying-Card-Game/dp/B000IQC4N2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1411980286&sr=8-8&keywords=saboteur
[08:47] <directhex> rent a Guitar Hero rig!
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <foobarry> i don't think there's a single person in teh office who isn't sick atm
[09:07] <brobostigon> :(
[09:11] <popey> sam is off sick today
[09:11] <popey> benefit of working from home, can look after them
[09:22] <directhex> i can't parent and work at the same time
[09:40] <popey> sam is 8
[09:40] <popey> he's mostly self sufficient
[09:41] <foobarry> my boy has started calling playing on the tablet "tablet skills"
[09:41] <foobarry> in an attempt to make it sound more educational
[09:41] <popey> hah
[09:41] <foobarry> this is the effect of attending school for one whole week
[09:48] <christel> haha
[09:53] <JamesTait> foobarry, is it "skills", though, or "skillz"? :-P
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk1llz
[09:54] <JamesTait> I feel there should be an eleven in there.
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk111z?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> sk!11z!
[09:54] <JamesTait> \o/
[09:55] <JamesTait> Man, that looks sick!
[09:55] <JamesTait> *ahem*
[09:55] <JamesTait> Sorry.
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> I wonder what is asking for my password *after* login. Twice.
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> because it takes some kind of lock on input devices? and I think it's confusing compiz
[10:04] <foobarry> he's 4 so skills hopefully
[10:14] <dutchie> re oggcamp board games: there is a v good board game cafe in ox (Myrtti popey czajkowski)
[10:15] <dutchie> called thirsty meeples
[10:17] <Myrtti> reviews are a bit mixed atleast on Google
[10:17] <dutchie> i've not been myself but loads of friends have
[10:19] <Myrtti> anyway, either way we're game(!) - we've got plenty of games we can bring so staying at the Oxford isn't impossible either if people prefer that way
[10:25] <Myrtti> apropos something, where do people buy their laserjet cartridges for home printers?
[10:26] <foobarry> amazon marketplace
[10:26] <foobarry> cheap copies
[10:26] <foobarry> or ebay
[10:59] <foobarry> need to root my moto g. adverts are everywhere on my phone
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> wait till you get a smart watch :-)
[11:01]  * brobostigon hugs his pebble.
[11:03] <foobarry> stroke pebble surely?
[11:03] <Laney> skim it
[11:04] <foobarry> after rooting you can't get OTA updates ?
[11:04] <foobarry> meh
[11:05] <foobarry> unlocking bootlader requires wiping the device??
[11:05] <foobarry> meh^2
[11:06] <brobostigon> unlocking doesnt require wiping the device, unlocking DOES wipe the device.
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> probably best that way, a nicked device gets wiped as they unlock it
[11:07] <brobostigon> it doesnt strickly wipe the device either, its just resets everything back to factory state.
[11:08] <foobarry> are there any adblockers that don't require root?
[11:08] <ali1234> yeah, adblock+
[11:08] <foobarry> i tried that and it failed to work at all
[11:08] <ali1234> then you didn't read the installation instructions
[11:08] <ali1234> you don't just install it
[11:09] <ali1234> you have to set it up as well
[11:09] <ali1234> it operates as a proxy
[11:09] <ali1234> so you have to configure android to use it
[11:10] <foobarry> ah thanks,
[11:10]  * brobostigon is watching george osborne patting himself on the back, for being an idiot.
[11:11] <foobarry> ali1234: assume it works for all apps?
[11:11] <foobarry> (if you are using it)
[11:11] <ali1234> it works for all apps that use a proxy
[11:11] <ali1234> which is most apps
[11:12] <ali1234> all browsers obviously
[11:13]  * awilkins got a provider-less MotoG for the offspring
[11:13] <awilkins> No ads!
[11:13] <awilkins> Huzzah
[11:14] <foobarry> no ads?
[11:14] <awilkins> On the no-provider one, yes
[11:14] <awilkins> Paid £130 for it (1st gen)
[11:14] <foobarry> what ads are you thinking of?
[11:14]  * brobostigon walks up to the tv and pretends to poke osborne up his nose.
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> it's a bit feckin sad when you have to run adblock on a phone
[11:14] <awilkins> Well, no inbuilt ads
[11:14] <foobarry> i am thinking of ads in browser and in apps like plume
[11:14] <brobostigon> yes, i have the 4g version of the 1st gen model, with cm11.
[11:14] <awilkins> Ads in apps that depend on ads for revenue, I expect so
[11:15] <awilkins> TBH if you don't like ads in ad-supported apps... use another app.
[11:15] <awilkins> The app landscape makes me uneasy these days
[11:16] <awilkins> I find it hard to trust apps, particularly the ones that ask for a smorgasbord of permissions
[11:16] <awilkins> I liked my N900 better because I knew most of the apps were FOSS
[11:16] <foobarry> awilkins: paid £90
[11:16] <awilkins> The official Twitter app crossed the line of "creepy" fairly recently
[11:17] <zmoylan-pi> at least with symbian i could deny an access to certain things always or ask every time.  and that was in 2005
[11:17] <ali1234> i treat my tablet as entirely compromised and i don't install apps on my phone
[11:17] <foobarry> wow
[11:18] <awilkins> Yeah, I feel like that
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> i gave up smartphones to get a feature phone a nokia asha 201 and keep a 7" tablet mostly for playing media
[11:18] <awilkins> I don't let the offspring install apps on her phone until she can justify to me each permission it wants
[11:19] <directhex> i cancelled my contract earlier today, i have 30 days to get a replacement
[11:20] <awilkins> I like GiffGaff, but YMMV
[11:20] <foobarry> android has multi user accounts now
[11:20] <foobarry> i allow restricted apps for my son
[11:20]  * zmoylan-pi in ireland uses tescos for phone, last of the prepay services
[11:21] <awilkins> Is Ireland going all 1984 about phone prepay service?
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> all the rest have moved to 'rolling contracts' so your credit disappears if not used
[11:21] <awilkins> Ew.
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> after 15-30 days
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> whereas i have made €5 of credit last 6 months :-)
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure as buggery not spending €5 ever 2 weeks
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's the phone companies compensating after eu made them reduce roaming charges i'm guessing
[11:26] <directhex> awilkins: three is my only option.
[11:26] <foobarry> does anyone encrypt their android?
[11:26] <directhex> foobarry: windows phone 8 has a nice 2-user implementation for kids. the lock screen can be swiped onto "kids' corner" which has a different PIN, and only pre-selected apps are usable
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> i don't put anything on it i wouldn't use on public terminal
[11:29] <foobarry> tinfoil hats ahoy
[11:30] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk ?
[11:34] <foobarry> ali1234: seems i have to configuire proxy for every wifi network i connect to
[11:34] <ali1234> probably
[11:34] <foobarry> wonder how much this slows down the phone/eats battery
[11:34] <ali1234> somewhat
[11:34] <ali1234> root your phone then?
[11:35] <foobarry> looks likely
[11:36] <foobarry> this is really slow
[11:37] <popey> foobarry: android doesn't do multi-user very well.
[11:38] <popey> at xda dev con over the weekend I played with some 'new' high end phones. oppo and one plus were nice, but huge
[11:38] <foobarry> popey: for my use case, it seems ok, which is "make a 4yr old rstricted apps mode"
[11:39] <ali1234> why is gstreamer so bad?
[11:39] <Myrtti> is there an English word for metal items that don't become magnetised? I assume that's the metal detection technology used at airports
[11:39] <awilkins> ferrous
[11:39] <foobarry> nonferrous metal
[11:39] <awilkins> Oh, the opposite of that
[11:39] <awilkins> nonferrous
[11:39] <ali1234> metal detectors use radio waves
[11:40] <awilkins> That will detect even nonferrous metals I think
[11:40] <awilkins> Should detect anything conductive
[11:40] <awilkins> Maybe a cloak lined with graphene would shield you ...
[11:41] <Myrtti> why doesn't it pick engagement rings and such, then?
[11:41] <Myrtti> or is there a critical mass for those
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> depends on the sensitivity of the sensor?
[11:42] <ali1234> as i understand it the metal detector is a tuned antenna receiving a fixed frequency signal. the presence of a conductor within the detctor changes the natural frequency of the system, "detuning it" and setting off the detector
[11:45] <Myrtti> right
[11:45] <Myrtti> so I've got it like this now in the packing list, then
[11:45] <Myrtti> Jewellery, watches etc. you plan to wear \footnote{Place your watch and other non-essential jewellery into your coat pocket before the airport security check}
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> Are you writing a "My first flight" HOWTO?
[11:49] <awilkins> Probably a document worth updating
[11:49] <awilkins> My first flight was sometime in the upswing curve of paranoia
[11:49] <awilkins> But I think it's swung a lot higher since then
[11:50] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: some people probably haven't flown that much, some have.
[11:50] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: it's just that me and dsample have flown so much in comparison to those who have flown a little.
[11:51] <Myrtti> there's some tips and tricks that you learn in that
[11:51] <Myrtti> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bh64fUnSjeaI8BerUdWkRkqhcULHawp5v-vX9LNRuB0/edit?usp=sharing
[11:51] <awilkins> Didn't fly until my 4th decade on earth. Have about 2 or 3 return flights under belt
[11:51] <awilkins> Not overly enthusiastic about adding to that number
[11:51] <awilkins> Enjoyed the little Brazilian turboprop more than the big gets
[11:52] <awilkins> jets
[11:54] <awilkins> Ooh, 'buntuFone is RTM
[11:54] <Myrtti> had to fiddle with LaTeX margins a bit because I forgot the printer has it's own numbers...
[12:34] <diddledan> awilkins: rtm? nice
[12:35] <foobarry> i haven't flown in nearly 10 yrs
[12:36] <diddledan> I haven't flown
[12:36] <foobarry> diddledan: wins
[12:36] <diddledan> well I say haven't - I did when I was little and beyond my memory point
[12:36] <foobarry> or decision making
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> your memory event horizon?
[12:43] <foobarry> diddledan: are you based in the states?
[12:43] <diddledan> nope
[12:44] <foobarry> hmm.. one of the dans is
[12:44] <diddledan> I'm in amazingstoke
[12:44] <diddledan> or doughnut city
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Basingstoke. One of the few English place names I know. Thanks, H2G2
[12:45] <diddledan> :-)
[12:45] <foobarry> guildford, islington
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes those too. Though Islington I also know from Neverwhere :)
[12:46] <foobarry> and fenchurch st station
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah bot that one comes up waaay later
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> the Basingstoke roundabout is in the first episode of the radio thing :)
[13:22] <brobostigon> anyone know of a way, to push something like a pushover message, to android, when a process and or service dies on my ubuntu/debian server?
[13:24] <ali1234> email?
[13:25] <brobostigon> so i write alittle python script, that monitors said process, and calls something like ppine to send me an email, when said process is no longer running?
[13:25] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I MADE THIS FOR YOU https://github.com/azelphur/pyPushBullet
[13:25] <Azelphur> well I didn't really, but it suits your use case exactly.
[13:25] <ali1234> hot cool aid reference?
[13:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: yes :P
[13:25] <brobostigon> thank you Azelphur
[13:25] <Azelphur> yw
[13:26] <ali1234> you could also use nagios
[13:26] <ali1234> if you can figure out how
[13:26] <Azelphur> brobostigon: not pushover but PushBullet which is similar (just free) and it's a python lib or command line tool
[13:27] <ali1234> why is pushbullet better than sending an email?
[13:27] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i see, let me work out how to work with it.
[13:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: has nicer OS integration (you can push links and stuff) and you can do delivery/read confirmation and other such fun things
[13:28] <ali1234> does it show incoming calls on linux desktop?
[13:28] <Azelphur> and you can trigger tasker actions from pushbullet too
[13:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: huh?
[13:28] <ali1234> https://www.pushbullet.com/img/frontpage/mirror-calls.png
[13:28] <ali1234> does that work on linux?
[13:29] <Azelphur> oh, that's cool, no it doesn't do that, however you could write something like that using my library and tasker.
[13:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: but there is stuff that does that already on Linux
[13:29] <ali1234> yeah, for KDE
[13:29] <Azelphur> nope, for all platforms
[13:29] <ali1234> i want to see an indicator message telling me who is calling me without having to go and get my phone
[13:29] <Azelphur> https://code.google.com/p/android-notifier/
[13:30] <brobostigon> it seems, i had pushbullet already bookmarked in the play store.
[13:31] <Azelphur> brobostigon: yea, pushbullet is very nice API wise
[13:32] <brobostigon> Azelphur: cool, i must have looked at it before. it looks interesting, yes.
[13:32] <Azelphur> lemme know if you have any problems with it :)
[13:33] <brobostigon> i will, :)
[13:34] <Azelphur> brobostigon: if you have tasker it can trigger on pushbullet messages too, I have my phone ring rather than just play a notification tone on certain events
[13:35] <brobostigon> i do have tasker, yes. ah, cool. :)
[15:13] <foobarry> trying to call the council. i think they all went home
[15:14] <popey> 4pm, sounds plausible
[16:22] <daftykins> that reminds me, i was going to call the gov. today
[16:22] <daftykins> the States of Guernsey that is (:
[16:57] <diddledan> daftykins: do you have a white house on the island? :-p
[16:57] <diddledan> and does the queen live there?
[16:58] <daftykins> yes!
[16:58] <diddledan> \o/
[16:59] <diddledan> speaking of the queen. I'm still waiting for the invite to an intimate candlelight supper with the queen.
[17:00] <daftykins> did you request one?
[17:01] <diddledan> someone of my stature doesn't stoop to such lows as requesting things.
[17:02] <daftykins> yay my bigv VPS is up to date
[17:02] <daftykins> just handled a post-wedding rename on a wordpress site also
[17:03] <diddledan> I'm working on a governmental communications platform update
[17:04] <diddledan> stupid shellshock
[17:05] <daftykins> :(
[17:05] <diddledan> whoever invented computer security should be shot
[17:05] <diddledan> :-p
[17:05] <daftykins> lol
[17:05] <daftykins> *insecurity
[17:05] <diddledan> nono, security. it's the keeping things secure that takes all the effort
[17:06] <diddledan> I'd much rather just let the haxx0rs at it and not care two hoots
[17:06] <diddledan> but that's not the "secure" way of working
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <daftykins> have you banished gentoo from whence it came, yet?
[17:07] <diddledan> some eejit sat in an office someplace decided that haxx0rs getting into our systems is inherently a bad idea and thus formed "information security practices"
[17:07] <diddledan> I wish
[17:07] <diddledan> it wouldn't be a problem if we weren't running gentoo :-p
[17:09] <diddledan> this channel's namesake has a funky "unattended upgrades" package which we can leave in the background and magically not care about patching ever again
[17:11] <daftykins> ;)
[17:33] <daftykins> bigcalm: it was yourself with an 840 EVO SSD, no? http://anandtech.com/show/8570/firmware-update-to-fix-the-samsung-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-coming-on-october-15th
[22:30] <diddledan> patchy bashy
[22:30] <diddledan> this is going to drag on
[22:30] <diddledan> and on
[23:55] <daftykins> diddledan: is there yet another one :(
[23:56] <diddledan> daftykins: haven't finished the first patch-cycle yet :-p
[23:56] <daftykins> oh of your org?
[23:56] <diddledan> yeah
[23:57] <diddledan> still got another 9 gentoo to go
[23:58] <daftykins> >_<
[23:58] <daftykins> is this down to how awkward it is to be able to fiddle?
[23:59] <diddledan> no, it's more down to the fact that the gentoo systems we run are woefully outdated
[23:59] <diddledan> they haven't been properly maintained
[23:59] <daftykins> is it not still a case of being able to just 'emerge bash' or whatever the gentoo speak is?
[23:59] <daftykins> or can it not change on its' own 0o


[00:25] <hiltonmagk> need some help with x11vnc I get get connected after a reboot with no monitor, but before it worked
[00:25] <hiltonmagk> can't get
[00:31] <hiltonmagk> need some help with x11vnc I can't get connected after a reboot with no monitor, but before it worked
[00:34] <hobgoblin> no monitor at all ?
[00:41] <hiltonmagk> nope
[00:41] <hiltonmagk> I'm running security onion on it
[01:23] <NQTropic> how can I change the login manager wallpaper in xubuntu 11.10 ?
[03:40] <metasansana> is php5 on xubuntu by default?
[03:41] <metasansana> nevermind
[04:29] <jordanmyte> hello?
[04:29] <jordanmyte> ..............
[04:30] <jordanmyte> hey when xubuntu982its installing does it only show the page were it tells you about the things it has?
[04:30] <jordanmyte> when its*
[04:31] <jordanmyte> why isnt anyone talking?
[04:33] <jordanmyte> hi
[06:08] <comb> Hey, if I had a wifi issue when i installed v10. will i get same issue with 11.10?
[06:22] <nanotube> maybe... <_<
[06:38] <slaptman> does anyone knoe how to get compiz working on xubuntu 11.10???
[06:42] <Marzata> that early?
[06:45] <nanotube> slaptman: if you google for compiz xubuntu, you'll get some tutorials
[06:46] <nanotube> basically, just install the compiz packages, and run compiz --replace, and it "should work". you may have to twiddle around with some window decorations or some such...
[08:21] <suddenmoves> Morning :)
[08:33] <baizon> hello
[08:42] <shadowcry> Hey, are there any good themes yous know of that look similiar to Windows 7 for the bottom bar?
[08:43] <shadowcry> Like the transparency and glass effect?
[08:44] <Sysi> you can just create/find fitting image and set it as background
[08:44] <shadowcry> Sysi: Thank
[08:44] <shadowcry> Thanks* I will try
[08:45] <Sysi> I think .png transparency should work if you have compositing enabled
[08:45] <shadowcry> Sysi: where would i enable compositing?
[08:45] <shadowcry> Sysi: I'm new to XFCE been on GNOME for a while
[08:46] <Sysi> settings -> window manager tweaks
[08:46] <shadowcry> Ok thanks
[08:48] <shadowcry> Sysi: Would you be able to recommend any themes?
[08:48] <Sysi> I like xubuntu default one
[08:48] <shadowcry> ok
[08:49] <Sysi> gnome-look.org has plenty og gtk3 themes, window manager themes can be found in xfce-look.org
[08:50] <shadowcry> Thanks
[09:00] <shadowcry> cyas
[09:09] <sagaci> where is the xubuntu icon stored on the filesystem?
[09:13] <baizon> sagaci: /usr/share/icons ?
[09:15] <sagaci> thanks
[09:15] <SpiKe_Spiegel> /usr/share/icons/elementaryXubuntu/xfce4-menu.png
[09:15] <SpiKe_Spiegel> oops, i'ts [...]/elementaryXubuntu/panel/xfce4-menu
[09:21] <qmr> any fix for this 'the location isn't a folder' nonsense?
[09:23] <SpiKe_Spiegel> is your location a folder ?
[09:33] <qmr> no
[10:40] <titi> hzllo
[12:23] <Evolusion> hello - i need to add LD_PRELOAD in desktop activator
[12:23] <Evolusion> when i do that in exec line , the activator doesnt start
[12:24] <Evolusion> only opens in leafpad
[12:24] <Evolusion> any ideas?
[12:26] <Sysi> you maybe should make script for that .desktop file to launch
[12:28] <Evolusion> good idea thanks
[12:28] <Evolusion> thats quite smart :)
[13:25] <badbyte> hello people, i have freshly installed xubuntu onto my laptop, but the brightness is low. how do i change that in xubuntu
[13:48] <badbyte> anyone here??
[13:49] <TheSheep> no
[13:49] <TheSheep> badbyte: you might try looking for your laptop's make and model on the forums
[13:49] <SpiKe_Spiegel> badbyte, there's an applet to control your screen brightness
[13:49] <SpiKe_Spiegel> but I don't know if it's installed by default in Xubuntu
[14:01] <danny> hello i would like to know if any can show me hwo to use the advanced partition tool used for ubuntu 11.10 install the is /dev/sda1 fat16 41mb . /dev/sda2 ntfs 12287 mb . /dev/sda3 ntfs 307742 mb, i would like to install on sda 3 but during reg instalation it with only give me sda2 to install to so can someone tell me how to split sda 3 so i dont lose windows and can duel install ubuntu onto half of it
[14:37] <manuel-gonzo> hey people! one question: I have trouble connecting a USB wireless network (TP-LINK RT2501/RT2573) disconnects every few minutes if you connect a peripheral to a USB port.
[14:37] <manuel-gonzo> help me, please!
[18:08] <adam___> Hello all -- I'm having YouTube playback issues (choppy video). I've got Xubuntu 11.10 running on an old ThinkPad T42.
[18:08] <adam___> I just ran Flash-Aid to no noticeable effect
[18:09] <levlazinskiy> adam - are you using firefox and what driver do you have installed for your video card?
[18:09] <levlazinskiy> Is this a new problem or has it always been like this?
[18:10] <adam___> yes, I'm using FireFox and yes, this is a new problem -- I used to have Ubuntu 11.04 on this machine and video played smoothly. How do I identify my driver?
[18:14] <n2diy> Help! Last night I installed Gnome on my box, thinking I could choose between it and Xfce at log in. That didn't happen, but what did is my panels and Xwindows are  afu.  The panel that used to display my running apps.  is now blank, and my Xwindows no longer have  their min, max, or close buttons!?
[18:14] <levlazinskiy> ok - first find out what kind of video card you have by going to a terminal and typing: lspci | grep VGA
[18:15] <adam___> ok: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[18:16] <levlazinskiy> cool - now try this page .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[18:16] <levlazinskiy> Its got great instructions on how to install or update the new driver
[18:16] <levlazinskiy> if you have not messed with it.. it probably installed a generic driver
[18:16] <levlazinskiy> Also - there was a kernel update in 11.10 which may have screwed things up too..
[18:17] <levlazinskiy> Let me know if this works! (I hope it does! :) )
[18:17] <adam___> I'm on it -- back in a few. Many thanks!
[18:18] <levlazinskiy> No problem, best of Luck! :) I just had to go through the hell of installing a video driver on an old eMac PowerPC which is a terrine experience that no one should ever go through.. hope yours is a lot smoother. :)
[18:36] <adam___> levlazinskiy - I went through the Ubuntu community site you sent to the AMD/ATI website and I can't find my video card in their drop-down menus, nor can I get their little autodetect program to run. Any ideas?
[18:38] <adam___> p.s. I'm really impressed that you dealt successfully with an old eMac PowerPC.
[18:44] <baizon> adam___: yes
[18:45] <baizon> adam___: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English
[18:45] <baizon> for the x64 drivers
[18:47] <adam___> thanks baizon - this one works for x32 as well, right?
[18:47] <baizon> no
[18:48] <baizon> i mean yes
[18:48] <baizon> sorry :)
[18:48] <baizon> its working for x86 and x64 :)
[18:50] <adam___> right - that's what I meant ;-)
[18:50] <adam___> how do I manually install it?
[19:09] <darksteel> hi
[19:09] <darksteel> yesterday with help from here, I managed to upgrade an old xubuntu machine
[19:10] <darksteel> but Im having problems with PHP today. Im guessing some old extensions have changed or are no longer valid
[19:10] <darksteel> error messages:
[19:10] <darksteel> PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/imagick.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mhash.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/syck.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/syck.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/syck.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[19:11] <darksteel> looks like mhash has been replaced by mhash2
[19:11] <darksteel> im not sure if I can simply remove those old config files or not
[19:11] <darksteel> is there anyway to check if any package owns those files?
[19:19] <nanotube> darksteel: try dpkg -S <filepath>
[19:19] <nanotube> though that'd only work if package is installed
[19:26] <GridCube> nanotube, you might get better help at ##php
[19:27] <GridCube> since this isnt actually a xubuntu related question :)
[19:28] <adam___> what changed from 11.04 to 11.10 that screwed up my YouTube playback? Grr!
[19:32] <adam___> I'm about ready to try 10.04 LTS
[19:32] <Thermi> for anyone here: NEVER upgrade your Ubuntu
[19:32] <Thermi> it screws up your whole system
[19:32] <Thermi> :|
[19:33] <adam___> perhaps downgrade is the most expeditious route
[19:34] <Sysi> version updates tend to be riskful
[19:34] <nanotube> GridCube: you mean, s/nanotube/darksteel/ :)
[19:35] <GridCube> yeah
[19:35] <GridCube> ah sorry
[19:35] <Myrtti> downgrade? you mean reinstallation of an older version?
[19:36] <adam___> yes, that's what I meant
[19:36] <nanotube> adam___: youtube wfm
[19:37] <nanotube> on 11.10 here, with firefox
[19:37] <Sysi> reinstall flashplugin, check your video drivers and disable hardware acceleration for flash
[19:39] <adam___> 'wfm' = 'Whole Foods Market'?
[19:39] <DarkRyu> hello
[19:40] <adam___> how do I disable hardware acceleration? right-click didn't work last time
[19:40] <Sysi> try on some other content, or reinstall plugin first (check you're not using html5 version)
[19:40] <DarkRyu> maybe someone could help me. i was updating the kernel on the xubuntu 10.04 and now i can not install the broadcom-sta anymore
[19:54] <Myrtti> adam___: works for me
[19:56] <adam___> ah -- I see. I'm trying to disable hardware acceleration for Flash -- I found the right-click pop-up but I can't click anything inside it.
[20:03] <mongy> right click a video, choose settings, it's the first thing you see.
[20:04] <mongy> hey Myrtti , circled you earlier :p
[20:05] <mongy> DarkRyu: did you have the package installed previously?
[20:06] <Myrtti> mongy: alright :-)
[20:07] <mongy> rebuilding my linux circle after removing 500 people from a shared linux circle where no one in it ever spoke the linux, ever.. arghh
[20:09] <adam___> what happens if I've got HTML5 version of Flash?
[20:11] <mongy> adam___: it's not flash.  check if you have html5 enabled for youtube from youtube.com/html5
[20:12] <mongy> adam___: which flash did you install?  adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo or flashplugin-installer from (I forget repo)
[20:13] <adam___> I went to Restricted Extras in the Ubuntu Software Center and ticked a box there.
[20:14] <mongy> yeah, remove it and try installing adobe-flashplugin instead.  enable the partner repo first.
[20:15] <mongy> I had that restricted extras version installed on my amd64 install and it installs a bunch of 32bit crud..  the other one does not
[20:15] <adam___> should I opt out of the YouTube HTML5 trial?
[20:15] <mongy> plus you get a menu entry for settings..
[20:15] <mongy> adam___: why not.  you can opt back in again
[20:30] <DarkRyu> mongy: yes and not it ends with error 10
[20:31] <mongy> DarkRyu: tried purging it and installing it again ?
[20:32] <DarkRyu> mongy: i did and now it ends with error 10
[20:32] <DarkRyu> mongy: whatever error 10 is
[20:33] <mongy> what model broadcom is it
[20:34] <DarkRyu> broadcom 4727 it is the sta driver because on the old kernel it runns with the broadcom-sta and under gentoo also with the 3.1.6 kernel
[20:35] <DarkRyu> mongy: broadcom 4727 it is the sta driver because on the old kernel it runns with the broadcom-sta and under gentoo also with the 3.1.6 kernel
[20:35] <mongy> is it an lpphy model?
[20:36] <DarkRyu> mongy: yes it is from a asus 1015px
[20:36] <mongy> I know when I had 10.04 I used the 10.10 package which was newer and worked ok, so maybe the same would apply with 11.10
[20:36] <mongy> have you tried using the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package instead?
[20:37] <mongy> not even sure it exists in 10.04 mind.
[20:37] <DarkRyu> mongy: hmm sorry i readet something wrong befor i do not know if it is a lpphy model
[20:37] <DarkRyu> mongy: how do i find that out ?
[20:38] <mongy> lscpi | grep Network
[20:39] <mongy> Myrtti: thought you said you were going to help out on irc more :) lol
[20:39] <DarkRyu> mongy: Network controller: Broadcom Corperation Device 4727 (rev 01)
[20:41] <mongy> you could try a newer version.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:42] <mongy> also, I'm not sure which firmware-b43 package would apply to that model.
[20:42] <DarkRyu> mongy: i can not compile it, it tels me a few errors and ends with error 10 $
[20:42] <knome> ten dollar error? that's quite expensive :)
[20:43] <DarkRyu> knome: the $ is a typo
[20:43] <mongy> DarkRyu: would it be best maybe to run your older kernel
[20:44] <knome> DarkRyu, i'm just kidding :)
[20:45] <DarkRyu> mongy: yes but howto downgrade :P this system is sooo stupid, it is not able to handle a new kernel :P sorry.. hmm
[20:45] <mongy> hold shift at boot and boot to older kernel, then remove newer
[20:45] <mongy> it *should* be installed still.
[20:46] <DarkRyu> mongy: let me try
[20:46] <mongy> #<IP_ADDRESS> is it
[20:47] <mongy> doh
[20:47] <mongy> forgot you are on 10.04.
[20:47] <DarkRyu> mongy: no 2.6.32-??
[20:47] <mongy> you have newer kernels available in 10.04 you know
[20:48] <mongy> 2.6.35 (maverick) and I think 2.6.38 (natty) may be available
[20:48] <mongy> just thinking maybe that will help
[20:48] <DarkRyu> mongy: yes but they al do not run :P it is like my old suse do not tuch anything :P
[20:48] <mongy> ok, go back to your old kernel then.
[20:49] <DarkRyu> mongy: how can i set the actual kernel as the original ?
[20:49] <mongy> reboot into it and remove the newer one you don't want.
[20:50] <DarkRyu> mongy: how can i remove the new ? sorry i am not used to ubuntu, xubuntu
[20:51] <mongy> uname -r
[20:51] <mongy> what is your current
[20:53] <mongy> btw, not interested in using 11.10 ?
[20:53] <DarkRyu> mongy: 2.6.32-37-generic
[20:54] <DarkRyu> mongy: 11.10 is not running correctly it sometimes find the network then it is losing it, and so on
[20:55] <mongy> little rusty but, try sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[20:55] <mongy> should show you your installed kernels
[20:57] <DarkRyu> mongy: now the old kernel does not support anything anymore. no lan no wlan :P
[20:58] <mongy> you booted into it?
[21:01] <DarkRyu> mongy: i alredy bootot to the old kernel now i need to remove the new ..
[21:01] <mongy> does everything still work ?
[21:01] <DarkRyu> mongy: no
[21:02] <DarkRyu> mongy: no network at all
[21:02] <mongy> odd
[21:02] <DarkRyu> i realy love tose stupid systems... like suse :P
[21:03] <DarkRyu> everithing what is not in the package manager is nor running at all
[21:06] <mongy> so what kernel are you in nwo
[21:06] <mongy> now*
[21:07] <DarkRyu> mongy: 2.6.32-37-generic
[21:08] <mongy> that is the newer version isnt it?
[21:12] <DarkRyu> mongy: no that is the old one
[21:16] <mongy> and nothing works anymore?  older kernels should still function as they were..
[21:19] <DarkRyu> mongy: how can i remove the new kernel ?
[21:20] <mongy> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[21:20] <mongy> the one above 2.6.32-37
[21:21] <mongy> sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-2.6.32-xx linux-image-2.6.32-xx  xx = newer version
[21:22] <DarkRyu> mongy: what does the upper command do ?
[21:22] <mongy> remove the newer kernel
[21:22] <mongy> you need to tell it which though...
[21:23] <DarkRyu> purge means remuve ?
[21:23] <mongy> yes
[21:24] <DarkRyu> so for me it would be sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.0.0-15-generic linux-image-3.0.0-15-generic
[21:24] <mongy> er, no
[21:25] <mongy> version 3 is in 10.04 ?
[21:25] <mongy> w00t
[21:25] <DarkRyu> mongy: why i will remove the new one because it is crap
[21:25] <Sysi> why do you have backports kernel? I wouldn't wonder some proprietary driver failing with that
[21:26] <DarkRyu> Sysi: the original source is runing on my notebook and i use 3.1.6
[21:31] <DarkRyu> mongy: hmm so is it now automaticaly making that i after can boot the old kernel ?
[21:34] <mongy> the newest you have will be booted by default.
[21:35] <mongy> assuming it updated grub.cfg after removing it.
[21:38] <DarkRyu> mongy: hmm this grub.cfg looks complicated. i am use to grub.conf it is very easy to understand and self configur :p
[21:40] <mongy> you don't need to worry about it
[21:40] <mongy> it will be updated with a list of your kernels.
[21:46] <DarkRyu> mongy: but now just fo me to understand. why i can not use the 3.0.0-15 kernel ? it is not for my system or where is the problem ?
[21:48] <mongy> stick to the kernel your distro was made for.. and all the packages included
[21:49] <mongy> mix and match doesn't really do well on linux
[21:58] <DarkRyu> mongy: hmm on linux ? you mean on specific distro
[22:02] <mongy> well, yeah
[22:03] <DarkRyu> mongy: thanks a lot for the help :)
[22:05] <DarkRyu> mongy: now on the old kernel everything what was running befor is now also running.
[22:05] <mongy> cool
[23:13] <DaMummy|PND> right so im trying to boot into liveUSB, what is it im supposed to input at the login/password screen exactly?
[23:22] <mongy> nothing
[23:22] <mongy> you shouldn't get a login/password prompt
[23:28] <stoic> I cant get flash plugin installed for firefox no matter how hard i try
[23:28] <stoic> tried every suggestion, flash-aid to manually moving libflashplayer.so and I get nothin
[23:28] <DaMummy|PND> well i am, after some google fu, it says to try ubuntu with no pass, but that didnt work
[23:28] <stoic> tried alternate plugins and no luck there either
[23:28] <DaMummy|PND> gonna try make new liveusb
[23:29] <stoic> ive enabled all repositories but every instruction for apt-get install adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-installer etc doesnt work
[23:30] <stoic> maybe itll work when i splatter my brains all over the monitor
[23:31] <mongy> DaMummy|PND: it can't be an ubuntu/xubuntu iso then.
[23:32] <DaMummy|PND> i get the xubuntu login screen
[23:32] <DaMummy|PND> and already have installed xubuntu off that usb
[23:32] <DaMummy|PND> but now ive got fs issues and want to boot into live so i can properly fsck the drive
[23:33] <DaMummy|PND> im open to other ideas though
[23:37] <mongy> if your livecd won't login, I'm lost
[23:39] <DaMummy|PND> ya im creating a new liveusb now and see what happens
[23:40] <DaMummy|PND> stoic, try chromium?
[23:42] <stoic> havnt yet, was just reading on ppc faq that flash is indeed not supported that i have to go with an open source alternative
[23:42] <stoic> but ill try chromium
[23:45] <DaMummy|PND> i use flash with xubuntu no problem
[23:45] <DaMummy|PND> x86 though, not ARM in case thats what youre using


[03:42] <genii-core> lubotu: ping
[03:42] <genii-core> !ping
[03:42] <lubotu> pong!
[17:25] <genii> !ping
[17:25] <lubotu> pong!
[18:50] <sarnold> pong!
[18:54] <genii> sarnold: Just making sure lubotu came back ok :)
[18:56] <sarnold> :)
[18:56] <ogra> plop!
[18:59] <genii> lubotu: !version
[18:59] <lubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy <package> »
[18:59] <genii> meh
[19:20] <nicoz-> approve user lucas76italy
[19:20] <nicoz-> thanks ;)*
[21:01] <Carlin0> Hi, can I have the member’s cloak?
[21:07] <Maik> Carlin0: iirc you have to post the link to your launchpad account
[21:08] <Carlin0> Maik, https://launchpad.net/~carlin0
[21:09] <Maik> not sure who can take care of it at the moment
[21:09] <Carlin0> i wait no problem ...
[21:10] <genii> Looks like the new process involves Discourse
[21:10] <sarnold> does it? I thought it was just asking here..
[21:10] <genii> https://ubuntu.com/blog/the-new-ubuntu-membership-process
[21:10] <sarnold> I use discourse once or twice a year..
[21:12] <Carlin0> thanks
[21:13] <Maik> genii: not for getting a member cloak
[21:26] <genii> Maik: It used to be basically to have a Launchpad account, agree to the Code of Conduct and list there some things about yourself with testimonials and then schedule and attend a membership meeting
[22:04] <Mr_Pan> Hi i need op for e new cloak... im a new ubuntu member https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[22:04] <Mr_Pan> i wuold like to change my cloak
[22:06] <Mr_Pan> my LP https://launchpad.net/~mrpan