[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[15:15] <tomreyn> fwiw, following Guest9130's request for an ubuntu live/installer usb storage with persistent encrypted storage, i just created such (in a VM) with (almost) only GUI tools.
[15:15] <tomreyn> it works and still boots fine (only tested uefi booting)
[15:23] <tomreyn> i used balena etcher to write the iso to usb (but dd should work just as well), then ran     sudo fdisk --wipe none     against the usb storage (/dev/sdb for me), which reported some issues. i did not make changes, just pressed w to have it write the partition table in the way it thinks it should be. then i started gnome disks and pointed it to the disk, which showed unpartitoned space at the end, behind the ~4 GB ubuntu uses. i created
[15:23] <tomreyn> a new partition there and chose for it to be ext4, encrypted, and applied those changes. then i booted off the usb storage and chose the 'try before you install' option and, using gnome files, was able to mount the encrypted disk (and, using the admin:/// uri in gnome files, access the test data i had placed on there).
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> nice tomreyn
[15:25] <tomreyn> so it's really just a matter of using fdisk to fix the partiton table, which will allow gui tools such as gnome disks (which would otherwise fail doing so) to create encrypted persistent storage.
[15:25] <tomreyn> :)
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> would be nice to have this in a wiki, a lot of users are asking persistent installs
[15:26] <tomreyn> i just hope it's still hybrid bootable after this
[15:28] <daftykins> can't think why anyone wants this, early users dipping their toes and afraid to touch their existing systems?
[15:31] <tomreyn> i don't know about the why, but occasionally there's someone who wants this (not neccessarily with encryption), yes. if it's not a classic usb flash but a proper usb ssd (such as a pcie nvme behind usb translation), i can see the use case
[15:31] <tomreyn> including with encryption then.
[15:33] <tomreyn> although i guess then, even more so, you really want your custom installation on there.
[15:34] <arraybolt3> This might be handy for users to have a portable, usable installation of Ubuntu. The last time I tried to install Ubuntu to a second flash drive with everything plugged into my main system, it scrambled my main system's bootloader.
[15:35] <daftykins> you have to tread carefully that's for sure
[15:35] <daftykins> that's something i haven't played with yet, i have spare M.2 SSDs but never owned a USB enclosure for one
[15:36] <tomreyn> those are actually quite affordable
[15:36] <arraybolt3> daftykins: Well don't do it on your main system! I was able to mostly fix it with "grub-install"... mostly. My system flashes lights at me in weird ways on bootup, but it does at least still boot.
[15:36] <arraybolt3> Don't remember it doing the flashy lights things before.
[15:36] <daftykins> the smart approach would be to pull an internal drive yeah
[15:37] <arraybolt3> Hopefully the Ubuntu installer will get fixed so it doesn't do stuff like that anymore.
[15:37] <arraybolt3> Maybe Canary will do the trick?
[15:38] <daftykins> i don't consider that a flaw, rather the task is headed for disaster if you let GRUB handle things auto
[15:38] <daftykins> hmm - https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-USB-Gbps-NVMe-Enclosure/dp/B07QN2WFGB/
[15:41] <tomreyn> there are even usb 4 ones now, if ridiculously rpiced (start 170 EUR :) )
[15:42] <daftykins> well, as fun as buying something that isn't usable yet, nor for a long while is...
[15:44] <tomreyn> i guess those won't be fanless also
[15:47] <daftykins> i find it interesting that it's typically only the controller that needs to be cool, the NAND is fine with some warmth
[15:52] <tomreyn> unfortunately most of those enclosures have a 'female' connector only, you can't just plug them into a usb port, but must attach a cable.
[15:53] <daftykins> well they're too large to dangle off, and no doubt would be at the wrong height for a laptop on a desk :)
[15:53] <daftykins> it would be port murder!
[15:54] <tomreyn> https://gzhls.at/i/74/36/2237436-n0.jpg
[15:54] <tomreyn> does exist, but you're probably right about port murder
[15:55] <tomreyn> https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=64
[15:56] <Jeremy31> I have a cheap one made by Mokin that has a cord
[15:57] <tomreyn> another directly pluggable http://www.akasa.co.uk/search.php?seed=AK-ENU3M2-04
[15:57] <daftykins> soldering irons are warming up everywhere at the sight ;)
[15:58] <tomreyn> :) and another https://www.delock.de/produkt/42635/merkmale.html?setLanguage=en
[15:59] <tomreyn> it's probably still an unbeatable tool for the sneaker admin
[16:05] <tomreyn> hmm bios booting seems to have gotten broken when i had fdisk rewrite the partition table
[16:06] <daftykins> sounds about right
[16:06] <tomreyn> i was thinking fdisk has hybrid support, though
[16:11] <tomreyn> maybe i should have used it with --proteect-boot and / or --compatibility=dos. and / or "--wipe never" rather than "--wipe-partitions never" (which i actually did where i said i had done "--wipe none" abive)
[16:13] <tomreyn> actually not --compatibility=dos since this is really about the stone age operating system, does not refer to MBR
[16:15] <daftykins> :)


[08:31] <genkgo> I see that Ubuntu has launched a new service callled MicroOVN. At the moment I am using UbuntuFAN. Do I understand correctly that the latter will be deprecated and removed eventually? In favor of the former, MicroOVN?


[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[19:25] <soee> someone tried nvidai 352 drivers ?


[12:23] <knome> madnick, ?
[12:24] <knome> madnick, can you answer asap
[12:27] <madnick> knome: yes
[12:27] <knome> madnick, great! ochosi needs your help :)
[12:28] <ochosi> hey madnick :)
[12:28] <madnick> hi ochosi :)
[12:28] <ochosi> i'm trying to theme lightdm-gtk-greeter with gtk3 css
[12:28] <ochosi> do you know how to find out the correct classes?
[12:28]  * knome goes setting up 2-step verification for google accts
[12:28] <ochosi> (i tried according to http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.3/GtkCssProvider.html example 24)
[12:29] <madnick> I am acctually nore sure
[12:29] <madnick> not*
[12:29] <ochosi> according to the glade file, the gtkwindow id is "login_window"
[12:30] <madnick> i see
[12:30] <ochosi> looking at the gtk3.3 doc the suggested syntax to match it would be "GtkWindow#login_window"
[12:30] <ochosi> but that doesn't work
[12:30] <madnick> I have never acctually used this feature
[12:30] <ochosi> :(
[12:30] <ochosi> dunno who else i could ask
[12:30] <ochosi> i'm also mostly guessing
[12:30] <madnick> There is a project called something
[12:30] <madnick> that project that unity desktop uses
[12:30] <madnick> they have an irc channel you can ask about lightdm aswell
[12:31] <madnick> pandora? hm, something "pan" i think
[12:32] <ochosi> hm, ok, i'll try to find that then
[12:33] <madnick> I am really sorry I cannot be of more help
[12:34] <ochosi> i guess there's no other way to theme the default greeter
[12:37] <madnick> not in a major way
[12:37] <ochosi> well, i mostly want a dark theme for it
[12:37] <ochosi> and a few widgets seem broken
[12:38] <ochosi> like the userlist
[12:39] <ochosi> madnick: can't find it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[12:40] <ochosi> at least nothing with "pan"
[12:40] <knome> !alis
[12:43] <madnick> hm
[12:43] <madnick> wait
[12:45] <madnick> sorry i cant find it either :\
[15:20] <GridCube> pleia2, knome http://xubuntu.org/news/precisebeta1/ here where it says >nm-connection-manager, should say nm-connection-editor
[16:05] <knome> GridCube, fixed
[16:06] <knome> GridCube, btw, i just added you to the xubuntu-team @ LP
[16:10] <knome> madnick, do you think you could fic the fsck-text for precise in the current plymouth theme?
[16:10] <GridCube> :3 thanks
[16:10] <knome> madnick, also, would transparent PNG's work for the indicator, or do you need a non-transparent one?
[16:11] <GridCube> knome, are we going to use madnick's ligthdm engine for login? or the current oldskull one?
[16:11] <knome> current for precise
[16:11] <GridCube> mmkay
[16:12] <knome> we're trying to get some improvements into it though
[16:13] <knome> GridCube, do you think the current testcases are fine? i mean, does it make sense that with desktop, manual partitioning is mandatory, but with alternate it's run-once ?
[16:13] <knome> GridCube, also, what about wubi? do we have anybody to even test that?
[16:15] <madnick> knome: transparent should work
[16:15] <knome> madnick, okay, thanks. i'll provide you a new throbber sometime soon, if that's okay?
[16:15] <madnick> I will try to get on the fsck-text, i have a vauge memory of already fixing that, but i will see
[16:16] <knome> thanks
[16:16] <madnick> okay sounds good
[16:16] <knome> i think with that, plymouth is almost optimal
[16:16] <GridCube> knome, i haven't done many desktops installs, but i find it rather silly to force manual partitioning on desktop
[16:16] <knome> i mean yeah, the throbber could be circular, but yeah...
[16:16] <GridCube> desktop is for users trying a new desktop, moving from windows to linux, so, forcing them to do high level stuff its silly
[16:16] <knome> GridCube, so that could be run-once? :)
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, well, we aren't forcing. it's just an option, and some want that
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, so what about wubi?
[16:18] <madnick> well, ill get back to you tomorrow, i shall get some much needed sleep :) Poke me if I seem afk, I mostly have IRC open
[16:18] <knome> madnick, okay, i will. thanks :)
[16:18] <knome> GridCube, i'm generally trying to make the tests doable with current manpower
[16:19] <GridCube> yes, i usually do the autoresize and whole disk, not much about manual, in my tests
[16:19] <knome> GridCube, and trying to direct extra manpower to most useful tests first
[16:19] <GridCube> because i want to know if it doesnt mess things up
[16:19] <GridCube> if thats what youre asking
[16:19] <knome> mmh. what about wubi?
[16:19] <knome> (still asking the same question :P)
[16:20] <GridCube> can't do wubi tests
[16:20] <knome> do we have anybody to even do that?
[16:20] <GridCube> no idea
[16:20] <knome> have you seen any wubi test for xubuntu been done ever?
[16:20] <knome> skaet, you there?
[16:20] <GridCube> not that i know off, but a friend of mine installed 11.10 with wubi a few weeks ago
[16:20] <knome> yeah, i see
[16:20] <GridCube> no problems on her end
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: just to be sure, you'll take care of plymouth?
[16:47] <knome> ochosi, i will
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: ok good, then i can remove that from my list
[16:47] <knome> :)
[16:47]  * knome just ate pasta with naga jolokia, again :)
[16:47] <ochosi> greybird's gtk3 is finally bug-free again in precise
[16:47] <knome> love it
[16:47] <ochosi> no clue what naga jolokia is
[16:48] <knome> chili
[16:48] <ochosi> but i gotta vacuum the living room now
[16:48] <knome> 2x hotter than habanero
[16:48] <ochosi> mm :)
[16:48] <GridCube> ochosi, question, its possible to make greybird borders at least 2px, 1px its just not working for so many people
[16:48] <knome> GridCube, that's why there's the resize-grip :)
[16:48] <knome> and we should really promote shortcuts like alt+right-click-drag
[16:49] <GridCube> ooooo
[16:49] <GridCube> i've never heard of that one
[16:49] <knome> hahah, yeah
[16:49] <GridCube> D:
[16:49] <knome> that's why we should promote
[16:49] <GridCube> THATS AWESOME
[16:49] <knome> yup, no worry of 1px border...
[16:51] <ochosi> GridCube: usually telling the people about the shortcut is even better than thicker window-borders
[16:52] <ochosi> but yeah, i know, some people have also been moaning about it on the forums
[16:52] <knome> :)
[16:52] <ochosi> personally i think it's ok that you can resize xfwm easily in the top corners
[16:52] <GridCube> this is something that should go to a faq
[16:53] <ochosi> yup
[16:53] <ochosi> something like the shortcuts-overlay in unity could also be nice for xubuntu
[16:53] <knome> GridCube, let's say we're planning a whole article on it and the other shortcuts :P
[16:53] <GridCube> good
[17:33] <Marcin_> hi
[18:29] <pleia2> ochosi: did you get my email re: artwork page to review?
[19:32] <astraljava> knome: others: I created an initial version of -live. You can find it @ https://code.launchpad.net/~astraljava/+junk/xubuntu-live, because I'm not a part of ~xubuntu-dev.
[19:33] <astraljava> Note that this is just a rename of everything Ubuntu Studio so far, so changes will happen largely, still.
[19:33] <astraljava> But check it out, point out bugs etc.
[19:34] <astraljava> And whenever you feel like it, create a project under your team, and merge my branch to that.
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, mmh, need to look at that. i was thinking that maybe we want to postpone until P+1
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, what do you think?
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, i mean, rather wait now, and push it as soon as possible in the Q cycle, then allow people to test it and see if there are problems
[19:49] <knome> astraljava, and, now you are a member of xubuntu-team
[20:13] <astraljava> knome: I don't really have an opinion. Whatever you want to do about it.
[20:13] <astraljava> knome: Ok, thanks. I can register the project later, and register the branch for that project, then.
[20:14] <astraljava> I'll be sleeping now, gotta wake up at 5:30 tomorrow.
[21:25] <ScottL> can someone help me with some bash magic?
[21:26] <ScottL> i want to install a default settings file for JACK for new installs, but if the file exists (i.e. the use is installing ubuntustudio-default-settings and already has settings) i don't want it to install
[21:26] <GridCube> ScottL, :P wouldnt #bash be like the best place to ask?, just sayan
[21:29] <chelz> sounds like a packaging thing
[21:29] <micahg> ScottL: you don't need bash magic, but a postinst that installs it on install only
[22:31] <ScottL> micahg, correct, that's what i really meant, sorry for the confusion
[22:47] <ScottL> micahg, would this be a good example to use?  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.postinst


[00:00] <guiverc> there were a few of them.. yeah you're probably right...   was looking for something (didn't find it) & those were published under 'ubuntu-news-team' which is where I was looking (for something unrelated to ubuntu-news)
[03:06]  * guiverc wonders if Bashing-om has pebbles in his shoes... in summaries thus far it feels like every 8th word is "rocks"
[03:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Maybe a tin can thing there - but I am not ratteling the can :D
[03:15] <guiverc> :)
[03:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: By the way - I bet your wrist is better - My good will last passed it on to myself :P
[03:16]  * guiverc wants to edit uwn823 in a few mins... paste some summaries..
[03:18] <guiverc> :)  & thanks
[03:22]  * guiverc out of uwn823
[03:39]  * guiverc wants to add two more... will soon edit.
[03:41]  * guiverc out
[04:36]  * guiverc going to add two more & go elsewhere awhile... my mind is wandering..
[04:39]  * guiverc out..
[05:49]  * guiverc shortly to add a couple more..
[05:51]  * guiverc out
[22:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Accessing 823 for Saturday wrap-up - no updates to add.


[09:43] <tkamppeter> I have uploaded cups-filters 1.0.32-0ubuntu1. Note that the new upstream release consists only of bug fixes, it does not contain any new features. The bulk of the debidff is a piece of source code which I have moved to make it re-usable, no big changes.
[10:47] <Riddell> kubuntu i386 and amd64 are good to go, active and arm alas broken
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it is marked ready I think
[10:53] <ogra_> Riddell, any clue what the breakage is ?
[10:53] <ogra_> (for arm)
[10:53] <smartboyhw> ogra_, ubiquity not starting
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Bug 1164239
[10:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164239 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "does not start on kubuntu 13.04 beta 2 arm image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164239
[10:53] <Riddell> ogra_: a mystery, bug 1164239
[10:54] <ogra_> hmm, could be the same as bug 1164071
[10:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164071 in AC100_enablement "raring daily blank screen after install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164071
[10:54] <ogra_> seems to be at the same point
[10:57] <ogra_> Riddell, i assume yours is on a panda ?
[10:58] <ogra_> ah, syslog FTW
[10:59] <xnox> ogra_: what do you want me to troubleshoot ac100 or panda? I have both ready to test?!
[10:59] <ogra_> xnox, heh, both
[10:59] <xnox> well I'll start with panda, that's a tiny bit easier, while the ac100 recharges.
[10:59] <ogra_> i'm just downloading the ac100 image to dig into it, i assume both have an issue starting the DM for some reason
[10:59] <ogra_> or xorg itself
[11:03] <ogra_> Fatal server error:
[11:03] <ogra_> Inconsistent depth 24 pixmap format.  Exiting
[11:03] <ogra_> thats in the DM log on the kubuntu bug
[11:03]  * xnox goes to hunt down my sd card writter, as it turns out desktops don't have those build-in.
[11:05] <ogra_> aha, same bug in the ubuntu desktop image
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Good to fix then:)
[11:06]  * ogra_ sees the same error in the Xorg log in bug 1161981
[11:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161981 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Boot stalls after Ubuntu Raring desktop ARM (Panda board) install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161981
[11:06] <ogra_> so i'm curious if the ac100 exposes the same
[11:06] <Riddell> ogra_: yep
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Someone get etherpad back:(
[11:33] <ogra_> xnox, ogra@chromebook:~/xf86-video-omap-0.4.0$ grep 24 src/*
[11:33] <ogra_> src/omap_driver.c:	default_depth = 24;  /* TODO: get from kernel */
[11:33] <ogra_> i suspect thats the issues on pandas
[11:33] <ogra_> recompiling with 16 or 32 for a test might solve it ...
[11:33] <xnox> ogra_: the internets say that 24 depth mode is long gone.....
[11:33] <ogra_> else we need rsalveti
[11:34] <ogra_> well, it worked fine in quantal
[11:34] <ogra_> neither kernel nor the xorg driver did change
[11:34] <ogra_> the only thing that chnages is xorg itself
[11:34] <xnox> true. I can quickly recompile stuff here.
[11:34] <ogra_> *changed
[11:42] <popey> smartboyhw: it's back
[12:04] <smartboyhw> popey, \o/
[12:07] <xnox> ogra_: slideshow works fine on nexus7, so why is it not added back to omap4? =)
[12:07] <ogra_> was it removed ?
[12:08] <seb128> yes, because it was hiting a webkit segfault
[12:08] <seb128> iirc
[12:08] <ogra_> in panda ?
[12:08] <ogra_> hmm
[12:08] <seb128> on arm
[12:08] <seb128> but jit got disabled in webkit arm since iirc
[12:08] <xnox> ogra_: panda, desktop, ubuntu doesn't have slideshow (removed just before quantal release) and it still doesn't have it.
[12:08] <ogra_> well, i dont know how it could happen that it is added back on naxus but not on panda
[12:08] <ogra_> *nexus
[12:09] <xnox> ogra_: live vs preinstalled.
[12:09] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu.raring$ grep slide live
[12:09] <ogra_>  * ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [!armel] [!armhf] # webkit is broken on arm atm (LP: #1066046)
[12:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1066046 in pvr-omap4 (Ubuntu Quantal) "pvr driver crashes when ubiquity-slideshow starts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066046
[12:09] <xnox> ogra_: it's blacklisted on live & nexus7 has oem-slideshow which is different.
[12:10]  * ogra_ fixes the seed
[12:10] <xnox> thanks.
[12:11] <ogra_> xnox, erm, does that mean ubiquity starts with your changed xorg package ?
[12:11] <xnox> ogra_: on the panda ubiquity simply starts with ubuntu desktop image. Will test if it reboots, then test modified packages, then test kubuntu.
[12:12] <xnox> ogra_: fixing ftbfs in the mean time, as my panda's sd card is very slow.
[12:12] <ogra_> well, it was ubiquity-dm that was faulty on both (unless i read the log wrong) ... so that would be a success
[12:12] <xnox> ogra_: maybe it was a busted panda? and my panda is like all super-awesome?! =)
[12:13] <ogra_> heh
[12:13] <ogra_> so you havent changed anything ?
[12:13] <xnox> nope.
[12:13] <ogra_> hrm
[12:13] <ogra_> that rather points to compiz/unity/nux then
[12:13] <xnox> ogra_: how would that affect kubuntu though?!
[12:13] <ogra_> but wouldnt explain why kubuntu has it also
[12:14] <xnox> snap.
[12:14] <ogra_> nor hats up aith ac100
[12:14] <ogra_> *whats
[12:14] <ogra_> though for ac100 i rather suspect plymouth
[12:15] <xnox> something is going weird, I have lately started to see "You are running X11 in degraded mode" between logout and plymouth when invoking shutdown.
[12:16] <xnox> unless that's how we are "fixing" hiding the "codes" during logout/shutdown.
[12:16] <smartboyhw> To the Ubuntu Release Team: Must the Ubuntu Studio Release Team release 13.04 Beta 2 without the upgrade testcases passing?
[12:19] <smartboyhw> s/without/with
[12:20] <xnox> ogra_: ubuntu desktop panda bug was that post-install boot stalls, which is what I'm possibly about to see.
[12:20] <ogra_> xnox, well, it stalls in ubiquity dm on kubuntu
[12:22] <xnox> ogra_: getting the 24 incompat messaging in xorg. trying 32bit now.
[12:26] <xnox> ogra_: with 32bit I at least got a gtk dialog saying I'm running in a low graphics mode.
[12:26] <ogra_> hmpf
[12:28] <smartboyhw> infinity: I think you will be the one writing the release announcement for Beta 2, so I am giving you the release notes and announcement link for Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta 2.
[12:29] <smartboyhw> The release notes will be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Beta2/UbuntuStudio
[12:29] <smartboyhw> The announcement will be at http://ubuntustudio.org/?p=688
[12:29] <ogra_> sudo sync
[12:29] <ogra_> haha
[12:30] <ogra_> silly unity and its focus
[12:31] <xnox> ogra_: hm?
[12:31] <ogra_> xnox, i was just commenting on the "sudo sync" above
[12:35] <ogra_> xnox, hmm
[12:36] <ogra_> xnox, i think i remember that we had tty issues with the panda in quantal ... you had to switch to tty and back on a fresh install
[12:38] <ogra_> i wonder if thats anyhow related
[12:44] <xnox> ogra_: poke #ubuntu-x people. I'm popping out for lunch.
[12:44] <ogra_> i did
[12:44] <ogra_> tjaalton said it cant be X
[12:44] <ogra_> :(
[12:45] <ogra_> i fear we need rsalveti
[12:45] <tjaalton> didn't say that :)
[12:46] <tjaalton> but I doubt it would be..
[12:46] <tjaalton> you should be able to revet to the quantal version of xserver?
[12:46] <ogra_> well, nothing else changed since quantal
[12:46] <tjaalton> *revert
[12:46] <ogra_> indeed
[12:46] <tjaalton> it only bumped the minor version
[12:47] <xnox> tjaalton: i can try downgrading in place and see if that helps. Is it just downlograding all x* packages I have installed?! =)
[12:47] <tjaalton> xnox: nah, just xserver-common & xserver-xorg-core
[12:48] <xnox> right. lunch time.
[13:03] <ogra_> ok, ac100 issue found
[13:03] <ogra_> now i need to find a working workaround
[13:03] <stgraber> highvoltage: what's the status on Edubuntu? need help?
[13:11] <ogra_> yay
[13:11] <ogra_> install done
[13:12] <ogra_> phillw, lubuntu looks shiny in raring :)
[13:13] <phillw> ogra_: yeah, all the ones we will release for B2 are marked as ready.
[13:13] <highvoltage> stgraber: it's going slowly but steadily. I don't have local precise repositories so that delayed my upgrade testing a bit
[13:14] <phillw> I won't be doing the release note until ~ 18:00 UTC as I am just about to go out.
[13:14] <ogra_> phillw, well, i meant the new icons and wallpaper etc ... on my current ac100 install ... i still need to find a proper fix (have the bug and a workaround thogh)
[13:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: i386 image upgrade testing should be done soon, I'm syncing amd64
[13:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok. I'm quickly covering all the install tests here because we're getting dangerously close to release time and the track reports no test on i386 and only a single test on amd64
[13:14] <ogra_> i wasnt referring to the isotracker :)
[13:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: someone already tested the amd64 image but I'm doing so too again just in case
[13:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok great
[13:14] <phillw> ogra_: yeah, rafael and the artwork team have done a fantastic job, as always :)
[13:15] <stgraber> highvoltage: I should have i386 fully tested in the next 10min, and I have amd64 downloaded here already to test next
[13:16] <phillw> ogra_: does the bug fix work for ac100? I was going to hold it back. If the work round can be added to the bug I'm happy to release it with a release note.
[13:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, I'm going ahead with it too fwiw
[13:16] <stgraber> ok
[13:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: it also helps me find kinks in my current setup when it comes to testing that I can iron out for next time. I've found that zsync also works a lot faster for me since my isp prioritises port 80 over everything
[13:18] <phillw> infinity: I've got to go now. If ogra_ can get the ac100 bug updated with the temporary fix, I'm happy to release it with a release note. (approx 18:00 UTC).
[13:18] <phillw> the desktop ppc isn't fit to release as beta 2.
[13:18] <ogra_> phillw, well, not sure i can make it in time ... the workaround is a bit hairy for the average user
[13:18] <ogra_> so i'm trying to get an actual fix ready
[13:19] <ogra_> but ac100 can well release separately a little later
[13:19] <phillw> okies, I'm happy with whatever you're happy with ! I got to go now!
[13:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: edubuntu i386 all done
[13:25] <Trevinho> Hello, any feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1152477 ? Doc-team gave his +1.
[13:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1152477 in unity "[UIFe] Window list in right click context menu should indicate the focused window" [Medium,In progress]
[13:32] <xnox> ogra_: what's the workaorund? unrelated to pandas?
[13:33] <ogra_> xnox, yes, its plymouth once again
[13:33] <ogra_> Bug 1084063
[13:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1084063 in ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 (Ubuntu Raring) "plymouth in raring causes system hardlock if console_setup is not run in the initramfs on nexus7 prior to starting plymouthd" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084063
[13:50] <stgraber> highvoltage: edubuntu amd64 testing done
[13:51] <knome> stgraber, unless something really critical shows up, we will want to release xubuntu beta 2 images even if we haven't have as much testing as i'd like to
[13:51] <Riddell> stgraber: got an ETA?
[13:52] <stgraber> infinity: ^ (for both knome and Riddell)
[13:52] <knome> stgraber, ah, thanks. :)
[13:52]  * knome makes a mental note to poke infinity if need be
[13:52] <stgraber> I'm not in charge of this one and haven't heard of any specific ETA, though I'm assuming it'll be in the next 4-5 hours
[13:54] <Riddell> ok time for me to go out for lunch
[13:55] <ogra_> stgraber, can you let the ac100-tarball-installer in (which will soon show up in the queue)
[13:55] <ogra_> i will take care fo lubuntu ac100 respins then
[13:55] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, I'll review LP is done diffing
[13:59] <ScottK> FYI, there's a significant security update to postgresql-9.1 that came out today.
[14:00] <ScottK> I think having the fix in raring is more important than images not being out of date, so I'm going to accept it when it hits the queue.
[14:00] <stgraber> +1. Do we ship postgres on anything other than server?
[14:02] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[14:02] <ScottK> http://www.postgresql.org/about/news/1456/ for those interested.
[14:02] <stgraber> ogra_: done
[14:02] <ogra_> thanks
[14:03] <cjwatson> ScottK: agreed
[14:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, tickle ...
[14:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: hey
[14:06] <ogra_> rsalveti, we seem to have an issue with pvr :(
[14:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh
[14:06]  * rsalveti runs
[14:06] <stgraber> ScottK: there you go ^
[14:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: let me read the backlog
[14:06] <ogra_> Fatal server error:
[14:06] <ogra_>  [    62.328] Inconsistent depth 24 pixmap format.  Exiting
[14:06] <rsalveti> oh, that's a new one
[14:06] <ogra_> thats what we get in Xorg log after installation on first boot
[14:07] <ScottK> stgraber: Yep.
[14:07] <ogra_> i see there is 24 hardcoded in two places in the code ... xnox was testing with that changed to 32 but only got xdiagnose up
[14:08] <xnox> ... i edit only one place =)
[14:08] <ogra_> xnox, well, i hope not the xv file :)
[14:08]  * xnox only edits C source code.
[14:09] <ogra_> lol
[14:09] <rsalveti> xnox: ogra_: I remember we could add back the slideshow already at quantal
[14:09] <rsalveti> but we decided not to as it was way faster
[14:09] <rsalveti> something along this line
[14:09] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah thats a non issue
[14:10] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, I wonder if the default fb changed
[14:10] <ogra_> rsalveti, X not starting is a problem though
[14:10] <rsalveti> ogra_: let me boot my quantal based panda to see
[14:10]  * rsalveti goes downstairs
[14:11] <ogra_> rsalveti, sorry to bother you with this ... but i'm kind of desparate
[14:12] <doko> Riddell, ScottK: accpt the kde-l10n uploads now, or wait until after the beta?
[14:12] <ScottK> doko: I think wait a bit, but I'll defer to Riddell.
[14:12] <ScottK> We may still respin if arm gets fixed.
[14:18] <rsalveti> ogra_: np
[14:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: xnox: from quantal:
[14:36] <rsalveti> [    88.069] (==) OMAP(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
[14:36] <rsalveti> [    88.069] (==) OMAP(0): RGB weight 888
[14:36] <ogra_> right
[14:36] <ogra_> so why would that stop working in raring ... given we use the exact same kernel and drivers
[14:41] <rsalveti> ogra_:
[14:41] <rsalveti> [    62.272] (==) modesetting(1): Depth 24, (==) framebuffer bpp 24
[14:41] <rsalveti> we had that bug before
[14:41] <rsalveti> it shouldn't be loading both the omap and the modesetting driver
[14:41] <rsalveti> I wonder if the autodetect patch changed at the xorg package
[14:42] <ogra_> hmm how can i suppress that
[14:42] <ogra_> probably ....
[14:42] <cyphermox> are we still frozen for "beta" ?
[14:42]  * ogra_ blames tjaalton
[14:43] <cyphermox> I see probably the answer is yes :)
[14:45] <jbicha> where are we keeping the release notes?
[14:47] <tjaalton> ogra_: or mlankhorst maybe :)
[14:47] <smartboyhw> cyphermox, of course:)
[14:47] <rsalveti> yeah, I'm trying to find the bug where we fixed this behavior
[14:48] <smartboyhw> jbicha, on a note we don't normally use the U+1 link
[14:48] <smartboyhw> (I mean for your test announcement)
[14:50] <jbicha> smartboyhw: what do we use then?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> jbicha, we normally use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[14:50] <smartboyhw> (we = the Ubuntu Community QA Team)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> balloons can confirm that:)
[14:50] <jbicha> or http://qa.ubuntu.com/getting-involved/contributing-test-results/ ?
[14:51] <balloons> ?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> jbicha, I do have to say qa.ubuntu.com isn't exactly maintained
[14:51] <smartboyhw> balloons, I am talking to jbicha which ISO testing guide we should use
[14:51] <smartboyhw> I use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[14:52] <smartboyhw> jbicha used a U+1 wiki link (and as far as I can tell U+1 isn't exactly active)
[14:52] <balloons>  ahh
[14:52] <balloons> ubdeed
[14:53] <smartboyhw> jbicha, and BTW if you want some urgent testing needed next time send the announcement to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:53] <jbicha> smartboyhw: could you reply to my email with the correct link then?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> jbicha, OK
[14:54] <jbicha> who's release manager for this release?
[14:54] <balloons> jbicha, infinity, I believe
[14:54] <smartboyhw> jbicha, infinity
[14:54] <smartboyhw> jbicha, sent:)
[14:54] <rsalveti> xnox: can you check if pvr works better if you force the xorg config such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-video-omap/+bug/1015292/comments/5 ?
[14:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1015292 in pvr-omap4 "X11 crashes with seg fault when running QT5 based applications on a Pandaboard with the SGX driver" [Undecided,New]
[14:55] <xnox> rsalveti: I can test in a moment.
[14:57] <jbicha> infinity: what are we using for Release Notes?
[14:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: xnox:
[14:57] <rsalveti> [    62.147] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for omap
[14:57] <rsalveti> this is probably the problem
[14:58] <rsalveti> which was fixed at quantal by https://launchpadlibrarian.net/113352717/xf86-video-omap_0.4.0-0ubuntu1_0.4.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[14:58] <rsalveti> tjaalton: ^
[14:58] <ogra_> funny, i looked at exactly that patch today
[14:58] <rsalveti> not sure if another api changed at xorg, let me check if this patch is there at raring
[14:59] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/raring/ac100/xf86-video-omap-0.4.0$ ls debian/patches/
[14:59] <ogra_> 01-adding-support-for-platformProbe.patch
[14:59] <ogra_> its still in the package source
[14:59] <rsalveti> might not be working then
[14:59] <rsalveti> interesting
[14:59] <xnox> the package was not touched in raringa at all =)
[14:59] <rsalveti> yeah, the package is the same
[14:59] <rsalveti> ++#ifdef XSERVER_PLATFORM_BUS
[14:59] <rsalveti> maybe that changed, not sure
[15:00] <rsalveti> let me also download today's image
[15:02] <tjaalton> and the matching xserver patch is still there
[15:10] <JackYu> stgraber: hi, we report a bug #1164554 when testing UbuntuKylin. The preparing screen became to 'ubuntu 13.04' again...
[15:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164554 in UbuntuKylin "Preparing screen is not displayed as expected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164554
[15:11] <stgraber> JackYu: I have no idea what you're talking about ;) can you try to detail exactly what the issue is and what that preparing screen is (ideally in the bug report)?
[15:13] <JackYu> stgraber: sure. we will attach a picture at the bug.
[15:13] <smartboyhw> stgraber, I think he means "Preparing to install Ubuntu" instead of "Preparing to install UbuntuKylin"
[15:13] <smartboyhw> At the page where you see the requirements fit or not
[15:18] <stgraber> xnox: ^ (any idea why that'd happen? as far as I can tell the media info for Kylin is correct)
[15:18] <xnox> stgraber: will boot and poke it.
[15:21] <JackYu> stgraber: we mean this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/136158633/prepare-screen.png
[15:22] <JackYu> could it be changed to 'UbuntuKylin 13.04'
[15:25] <maclin_> stgraber: our another tester reported  that the preparing screen displayed 'UbuntuKylin 13.04' just now.
[15:27] <stgraber> JackYu: ah, that's plymouth, not ubiquity. Unless you have created a plymouth theme, I guess that's to be expected
[15:31] <xnox> JackYu: does the installed system is the same or has Kylin splash?
[15:31] <xnox> JackYu: you are looking at the "fallback" low graphics splash.
[15:33] <xnox> stgraber: the ubuntukylin-theme package has a plymouth theme.
[15:37] <JackYu> xnox: we only find the bug when trying ubuntukylin, while installing, it's ok.
[15:41] <xnox> I see.
[15:42] <ogra_> casper bug ?
[15:44] <cjwatson> infinity: I'm not going to be around for much longer, so if you're ready to at least experimentally publish something for reals, now's the time
[15:45] <cjwatson> infinity: Otherwise, I might manage to check in later from my dad's; won't have much ability to edit code though
[15:45]  * ogra_ twiddles thumbs waiting for the publisher
[15:56] <ogra_> i'm firing off an ac100 lubuntu rebuild now
[15:57] <ogra_> building ...
[15:57] <smartboyhw> ogra_ phillw will be happy:)
[15:57] <ogra_> for sure :)
[16:01] <phillw> infinity: (or who ever) I'm just in the process of editing up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Lubuntu feel free to use the link :)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> phillw private message?
[16:06] <highvoltage> stgraber: Edubuntu testing complete, no major issues found, I marked ready for release
[16:08] <jbicha> bug 1164592 is a testcase failure
[16:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164592 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity freezes in Install Alongside screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164592
[16:09] <balloons> jbicha, you have no dowload links for ubuntu gnome? :-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1163879
[16:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163879 in ubuntu-qa-website "Ubuntu GNOME images listed on QA Tracker not "linked" to daily images" [Undecided,New]
[16:10] <smartboyhw> balloons true
[16:10] <balloons> I'll try and fix for raring.. need to make sure it gets updated properly by stgraber script
[16:11] <jbicha> stgraber: is there someone else that can help with getting ^ fixed if you don't have ipv4 today?
[16:11] <stgraber> jbicha: I'll process the ACL change in a minute, sorry had connectivty issue for the last day or so and was limited to the IPv6 internet only (which sadly doesn't include many Canonical services ;))
[16:11] <jbicha> ok thanks
[16:11] <stgraber> I've had IPv4 again for the past hour (looks like whoever was DDoSing me eventually got bored)
[16:22] <seb128> is there any eta on letting uploads through again?
[16:23] <smartboyhw> Aren't we supposed to still be in freeze?
[16:24] <ogra_> seb128, i thought infinity said he wanted to keep the freeze up
[16:24] <ogra_> until release
[16:24] <seb128> ogra_, right, I specifically did use "unfreeze" for that reason :p
[16:24] <ogra_> so i guess all uploads will be reviewed
[16:24] <seb128> ogra_, they will still approve bug fixes at some point I guess?
[16:24] <seb128> ogra_, right
[16:24] <ogra_> yeah as usual
[16:24] <ogra_> just more reviews
[16:24] <seb128> ogra_, my question was "when we will start having uploads reviewes accepted again"
[16:25] <ogra_> ah
[16:25] <ogra_> :)
[16:25] <seb128> ;-)
[16:25] <xnox> seb128: unseeded packages are going through with bugfixes at the moment. but the seeded on images stuff is queued at the moment. I expect it will be reviewed post-beta-release.
[16:25] <ogra_> well, adam can tell ... once he is around at least
[16:26] <seb128> xnox, thanks, I know all that,  I guess the question is "when is beta going to be released"? ;-)
[16:27] <infinity> seb128: Soonish.  I need to catch up on various backscrolls, sort out release notes, look at testing results, blah blah.
[16:27] <balloons> jbicha, I added links.. let me know if there's any errors
[16:27] <seb128> infinity, ok, thanks
[16:33] <jbicha> balloons: thanks
[16:33] <ogra_> infinity, ac100 is just rebuilding with a fix, panda desktop wont make it i fear unless rsalveti has some brilliant idea right now
[16:35] <infinity> ogra_: Oh, I thought we were skipping ac100.
[16:35] <infinity> I don't mind waiting a bit, I have all day to release this. :P
[16:35] <ogra_> well, i found an easy fix
[16:35] <infinity> Cool.
[16:35] <ogra_> its fine to release it delayed i think
[16:35] <ogra_> sadly panda desktop is really screwed
[16:36] <ogra_> looks like it would take some work, not sure we want to invest that
[16:36] <infinity> :/
[16:36] <ogra_> (X doesnt start after install)
[16:36]  * skellat obliquely mentions Launchpad Bug 1164493 too
[16:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164493 in u-boot "Netboot Install (ARM Desktop) OMAP Fails To Bootstrap Past Orange Start Screen on BeagleBoard-xM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164493
[16:37] <smartboyhw> Clearly this isn't ARM's day
[16:37] <ogra_> skellat, we dont really support beagle anymore ... if you find a fix we'll happily take it though :)
[16:37] <infinity> jbicha: Ubuntu GNOME seems to be lacking some test coverage on the tracker...
[16:38] <smartboyhw> infinity um jbicha just send out the testing announcement 1.5 hours ago I think...
[16:38] <smartboyhw> Give them some time
[16:39] <jbicha> infinity: yes we were running behind, I believe we almost have i386 covered though
[16:39] <smartboyhw> Actually it's 1.9
[16:39] <jbicha> I'm waiting on Startup Disk Creator now :(
[16:39] <smartboyhw> jbicha: Try ask in #ubuntu-quality for help:)
[16:40] <smartboyhw> jbicha: You do know that Startup Disk Creator never worked for the community QA team?
[16:40] <smartboyhw> At least in 12.10+13.04
[16:40] <smartboyhw> jbicha: use dd
[16:41] <jbicha> smartboyhw: I'm using Precise's Startup Disk Creator, but yeah, it being broken for a year is pretty bad
[16:41] <infinity> knome: Xubuntu test failures seem to be linked to a bug that doesn't exist...
[16:42] <JackYu> infinity: a simple release note, we will update asap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin/1304-beta-2-ReleaseNote
[16:42] <jbicha> smartboyhw: sure, but the testcase for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds/41181/testcases/1303/results specifically talks about usbcreator and testing persistence
[16:43] <smartboyhw> jbicha specifically I am going to ask balloons to delete the usbcreator part and use dd or whatsoever;P
[16:43] <jbicha> smartboyhw: uh, if nobody cares about Startup Disk Creator then we need to remove it from the default install, not just ignore the problems
[16:43] <smartboyhw> jbicha: I agree
[16:43] <balloons> we care about startup disk creator
[16:44] <balloons> I just used it yesterday in the live demo
[16:44] <ogra_> we definitely care
[16:44] <smartboyhw> balloons oh it worked?
[16:44] <balloons> I prefer dd, but that's me..
[16:44] <smartboyhw> \o/
[16:44] <balloons> the gui tool is nice.. and sliding persistence is a nice thing
[16:45] <smartboyhw> jbicha: Add oil on the usbcreator then
[16:45] <ScottK> The KDE variant works for me on 12.10 also.
[16:45] <infinity> Daviey: server still doesn't have full test coverage.  Any idea what's going on with that?
[16:45] <smartboyhw> balloons: I think we need to discuss Testdrive more
[16:46] <infinity> ScottK / Riddell: I'm guessing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/1164236 means no kubuntu-active for beta2?
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164236 in plasma-mobile "13.04 beta 2 plasma active crashes on startup" [Undecided,New]
[16:47] <ScottK> infinity: Yes
[16:48] <infinity> The tracker so needs a clear way to mark an image as "ha ha, no, not gonna happen".
[16:48] <infinity> So I stop going through the list and pondering the same ones.
[16:48] <Daviey> plars: do you know the status of test coverage for server?
[16:48] <smartboyhw> stgraber: ^
[16:48] <stgraber> infinity: well, you could simply remove it from the list, that way it'll only show up in the Dailies and not in the milestone
[16:49] <infinity> stgraber: Can I get a visual representation of a "lolno".
[16:49] <infinity> stgraber: I guess removing it works too, would it get auto-added if I did a respin?
[16:49] <stgraber> infinity: yes, unless you disable it in the manifest
[16:49] <infinity> (Assuming we start out with a "lolno", then someone finds a clever fix in the nick of time)
[16:50] <infinity> Actually, no.  I'd prefer a visual representation to removal, for that reason.
[16:50] <infinity> Some keener may still see it and want to do something about it.
[16:50] <plars> Daviey: we've got most of it done, I'm working on filling in the rest now, if we could get someone from server team to run the maas tests, that would be useful. Normally someone from server does, but I'm not sure who
[16:50] <plars> Daviey: I don't really have a setup for maas
[16:51] <infinity> plars: Has anyone done any quick smoketesting of server on any ARM platforms?
[16:51] <plars> Daviey: also, I'm having some trouble with the iscsi tests, hoping maybe jamespage can help
[16:51] <stgraber> infinity: I'm slightly worried about adding too many new status ;) especially as I already need to add the needs-rebuild/is-rebuilding flag which will make the UI even more confusing than it already is
[16:51] <Daviey> plars: jamespage is out for the week, so unlikey
[16:51] <infinity> plars: (Not full coverage, install/reboot would be enough, which I thought was automated via ogra's fancy stuff?)
[16:51] <plars> infinity: yes, I mentioned a bug to you yesterday on server with panda - they keyboard issue with lvm+crypt again
[16:52] <infinity> stgraber: That UI can't get more confusing, it's reached terminal velocity.
[16:52] <plars> infinity: also, desktop doesn't seem to work at all
[16:52] <infinity> plars: s/again/still/ ... I didn't fix the d-i issue with that one.  Anyhow, shouldn't affect other random tests.
[16:52] <stgraber> infinity: wait until the next batch of changes land, I'm sure you'll change your mind ;)
[16:53] <ogra_> plars, yeah, the xserver broke, rsalveti was digging into it but i doubt he found a solution
[16:53] <infinity> plars: omap4 desktop is, indeed, a lost cause (for today).
[16:53] <ogra_> funny incidence given we use the same kernel and X driver as in quantal
[16:53] <plars> Daviey: is there anyone else familiar with the iscsi tests?
[16:53] <infinity> ogra_: But not the same X.
[16:54] <Riddell> infinity: yep, seems too unreliable even for a tech preview just now
[16:54] <infinity> stgraber: I fear that when software starts becoming self-aware, it'll be things like the isotracker that get there first, and they'll be self-aware in about the same way as Paris Hilton.
[16:55] <stgraber> ;)
[16:55] <Daviey> plars: I last did them a year ago.. all fogotten now.. smoser would be the next person, but he is on vacation :)
[16:55] <Daviey> plars: can you /j #ubuntu-server ?
[17:07] <rsalveti> ogra_: sorry, was at lunch, but will keep investigating it today
[17:08]  * ogra_ hugs rsalveti
[17:08] <ogra_> rsalveti, dont sweat it, it wont make beta, so do it if you find a free spot for it
[17:08] <ogra_> i pinged you today in the hope there was somethign obvious ... if there isnt, and it takes time, it can as well happen later
[17:08] <rsalveti> yeah, might take a few more hours, but want to get it fixed anyway
[17:09] <ogra_> yeah, but you have more important stuff
[17:09] <ogra_> pandas are low prio
[17:09] <ogra_> (else someone had looked at them before beta :) )
[17:09] <rsalveti> sure
[17:11] <balloons> ogra_, are you able to boot an installed desktop image for panda?
[17:12] <balloons> for beta2 :-)
[17:12] <ogra_> balloons, nope, thats the issue we talked about
[17:13] <balloons> ogra_, :-) I thought so.. just checking
[17:14] <ogra_> balloons, the driver detectuon seems screwed (you should see something like "falling back to old probe method for omep")
[17:14] <ogra_> (in Xorg log)
[17:15] <balloons> yea.. black screen on boot, had to pull the logs.. I assumed it was a xserver/driver issue
[17:15] <ogra_> yup
[17:15] <ogra_> which is super weird ... since that didnt change since quantal
[17:16] <balloons> so eta on fix or not for beta 2?
[17:16] <infinity> Not likely.
[17:17] <ogra_> not for B2
[17:17] <ogra_> might be fixed for final
[17:17] <infinity> If it can't be fixed for final, I guess I get my wish to drop omap4 desktop images? :P
[17:19] <ogra_> heh
[17:19] <ogra_> but many grumpy people around you i guess ...
[17:19]  * ogra_ woundt mind to drop them
[17:19] <balloons> hmm...
[17:19] <ogra_> *wouldnt
[17:19] <ogra_> nexus7 is there ...
[17:20] <ogra_> and less hassle driver wise
[17:27] <phillw> ahh, the ac100 has arrived :)
[17:29] <skellat> If you do drop omap desktop images, make a blog post about it please
[17:30] <xnox> skellat: not dropping, but not releasing in beta2, we are expecting to have them in the final.
[17:30] <skellat> Okay then
[17:30] <ogra_> skellat, we didnt have omap desktop images in years
[17:31] <xnox> skellat: infinity & ogra_ are talking "tongue-in-cheek" mostly.
[17:31] <ogra_> skellat, we didnt even have official omap images in quite a while ... there are netboot ones but they are not largely tested
[17:31] <skellat> xnox: Okay, no worries.
[17:32] <skellat> ogra_: I'm probably one of the few who has tested
[17:32] <xnox> skellat: yes =)
[17:32] <ogra_> skellat, there was a change to a completely different kernel, i'll point ppisati to your bug
[17:32] <ogra_> i'm not even sure debian-installer was updated for it
[17:33] <ogra_> infinity, do you know if omap 3 d-i  images were updated for generic ?
[17:33] <infinity> ogra_: Yep.
[17:33] <ogra_> hmm, then that failed apparently
[17:33] <infinity> How so?
[17:34] <infinity> I need to rename the flavor and do some other last-minute crap with -generic, but it should still work currently.
[17:34] <ogra_> skellat, do you have your bugnumber handy ?
[17:34] <skellat> Hold on a sec
[17:35] <skellat> Launchpad Bug 1164493
[17:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164493 in u-boot "Netboot Install (ARM Desktop) OMAP Fails To Bootstrap Past Orange Start Screen on BeagleBoard-xM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164493
[17:35] <ogra_> infinity, doesnt seem to get beyond the builtin orange bootscreen
[17:35] <infinity> Oh, blah.  Is that using the built-in u-boot instead of the one on the SD card?
[17:36] <infinity> If so, the only solution will be to staple the DTB on the end of the kernel.
[17:36] <skellat> The xM doesn't have u-boot built in.  It has to look for it on the SD card
[17:36] <ogra_> right
[17:36] <ogra_> its our uboot that has that silly hardcoded orange
[17:36] <infinity> If it's the SD u-boot, either we have a bug there, or we have a different bug there.  (yay, I'm so specific today).
[17:37] <ogra_> so uboot starts but doesnt go further
[17:37] <infinity> I could use an XM to test with. :/
[17:37]  * ogra_ doesnt have one around either
[17:37] <ogra_> skellat, trying the serial image and capturing the console output might show something
[17:38] <skellat> Okay.  Tracker didn't have one available and I've got family telling me it is time to head out to the farm to start doing some crop planting.
[17:38] <jbicha> infinity: where should we post release notes?
[17:38] <skellat> So, hit me with a link at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll download it later today to try once I get back from building planters and the like
[17:39]  * skellat has to run away to the family farm to play ranch hand again but promises to provide information on the serial image later on in his local day
[17:40] <Riddell> I'm out for a few hours, if beta 2 gets released it should be all ready, just needs a notice on the website
[17:41] <infinity> jbicha: Find a home on the wiki, I guess, if you don't have an Ubuntu GNOME website to throw them on, and we'll link from the main ones.
[17:42] <jbicha> infinity: ok so we're not using a centralized wiki page like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes ?
[17:44] <infinity> jbicha: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview
[17:44] <infinity> jbicha: Feel free to add a section and go to town, or link externally, I'm not terribly picky.  We'll clean it all up for final release.
[18:09] <jbicha> and the live image testcase fails for me too bug 1164633
[18:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1164633 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "live image created by Startup Disk Creator fails to boot a second time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164633
[18:31] <stgraber> jbicha, phillw: ACLs configured for your products. You'll need to logout and login again for it to take effect.
[18:42] <smartboyhw> infinity: Any ETA on releasing?
[18:47] <phillw> stgraber: thanks :)
[18:48] <infinity> smartboyhw: Today. :)
[18:52] <smartboyhw> infinity: Today what time?
[18:53] <smartboyhw> I really can't stay up...
[18:53] <ogra_> crap crap carp !
[18:53]  * ogra_ curses
[18:54] <ogra_> so even though ac100-tarball-installer 0.46 was on ports.u.c when i started the build it didnt end up in the ac100 image
[18:55] <ogra_> sigh
[18:56] <ogra_> infinity, is there an easy way i can check from nusakan whats on the ftp mirror ?
[18:56]  * ogra_ doesnt want to have to do all this again
[18:58] <ogra_> infinity, starting another build ... feel free to release already ...
[18:59] <cjwatson> ogra_: see the wait-for-package script
[18:59] <ogra_> ah, i will ...
[18:59] <cjwatson> (mostly not here)
[18:59] <ogra_> now i'm sure the package is there though ... since its 2h later :)
[19:00]  * ogra_ pretends he hasnt seen cjwatson
[19:00] <cjwatson> being on ports but not nusakan should be impossible though
[19:00] <cjwatson> I might investigate that later
[19:00] <cjwatson> (nusakan should sync from ftpmaster at the start of every build)
[19:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Are you sure it was in raring, and not raring-proposed?  (did you just check the pool, not Packages.gz?)
[19:01] <ogra_> well, i saw it in my borwser before i fried off the build ...
[19:01] <ogra_> but i looked at the pool so i might have tricked myself here
[19:01] <ogra_> what infinity said
[19:01]  * ogra_ needs to change his habits
[19:12] <infinity> jbicha: Are your images "good enough", despite the bugs/failures that need to be addressed before final?
[19:15] <jbicha> infinity: yes I'll just release note the Install Alongside issue and I suspect that my USB stick being too cheap is to blame for my live session failure
[19:17] <jbicha> I've now marked them as ready since we have the minimum coverage on all of the testcases besides the Install Alongside one
[19:49] <seb128> infinity, hey, are we "unfrozen" yet ;-) (notice the "" :p=
[19:49] <infinity> seb128: Once Oli's last build is done, I'll start going through the queue again.  Shouldn't be long.
[19:49] <seb128> ogra_, grrrr
[19:50] <seb128> infinity, thanks
[19:50] <infinity> Play nice, you two.  No one wants another invasion.
[19:51] <seb128> well, if you want balance in the universe there need to be some invasion the other way around... :p
[19:52] <infinity> Sure, but they had reason to want Paris.  What's in it for you if you take Berlin?  Leather pants and schnitzel?
[19:52] <phillw> lol
[19:52] <mdeslaur> lol
[19:53] <seb128> ;-)
[19:54] <ogra_> LOL
[19:55] <seb128> ogra_, release the lock on the archive or you will see what the germanofrench can do :p
[19:57] <infinity> Patience. :P
[19:57] <infinity> (But, seriously, if Oli's fix doesn't work, we'll probably just drop that image from beta, not respin yet again)
[19:57] <infinity> So, I can probably start going through the queue and letting things in.
[19:57] <infinity> ogra_: ^-- You okay with that?
[19:58] <ogra_> sure
[19:58] <seb128> infinity, ogra_: thanks
[19:58] <ogra_> the fix will work ... it just wasnt in my image build
[19:58] <seb128> no real hurry for me, but it would be nice to have some of the queue flushed by tomorrow
[19:58] <ogra_> (we use the same fix somewheer else so i know it is fine)
[19:58] <seb128> and if possible before end of european day
[19:59]  * seb128 hates queue flushes on friday afternoon
[20:05] <infinity> seb128: Did you get the gwibber seed issues sorted?
[20:07]  * infinity takes lunch.
[20:08] <seb128> infinity, yes, the seeds are clean, doko said he was going to move it to universe today
[20:08] <rsalveti> tjaalton: ogra_: broken by bug 982889
[20:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 982889 in OEM Priority Project precise "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982889
[20:08] <rsalveti> as a side effect, it removed the function that was setting the drm bus id
[20:09] <rsalveti> breaking all xorg drivers using that property
[20:09] <infinity> seb128: Weird, looks like it's still in main, but no longer showing up for demotion.  I'll have to poke at that.
[20:09] <seb128> infinity, yeah, I was trying to check why, the seeds stopped listing it for what I can see
[20:10] <tjaalton> rsalveti: ouch..
[20:10] <tjaalton> rsalveti: could you ping mlankhorst on #ubuntu-x?
[20:10] <tjaalton> he's EOD already but..
[20:10] <rsalveti> tjaalton: sure
[20:11] <tjaalton> we all hate that bug..
[20:11] <tjaalton> racing all over the place
[20:11] <rsalveti> right
[20:11] <tjaalton> but putting that back in shouldn't break it, I think
[20:11] <rsalveti> tjaalton: problem is that it's breaking all platform devices
[20:12] <rsalveti> it's just dealing with the pci use case
[20:12] <tjaalton> ok..
[20:12] <rsalveti> maybe we just need to improve the patch
[20:13] <tjaalton> yeah
[20:22] <ogra_> rsalveti, woah
[20:24] <phillw> :)
[20:28] <phillw> ogra_: and now for the fastest iso test in recent history :D
[20:30] <ogra_> well, now for watching it dripping through my 2Mbit line
[20:30] <ogra_> luckily i tested the whole install already after fixing the bug
[20:31] <ogra_> so i only need to see X come up and we are fine
[20:31] <phillw> okies, I was going to suggest me pulling in the image and doing a quick md5 to ensure it is what you uploaded?
[20:31] <77CAAVMF2> 2Mbit?  I do feel a little sorry for you?
[20:32] <77CAAVMF2> s/?$/./
[20:32] <infinity> ogra_: S'ok, I'm (finally) going to lunch anyway.  Update results while I'm out, and I'll release before I'm EOD.
[20:33] <ogra_> ok
[20:33] <ogra_> 77CAAVMF2, its fine ... i usually get along (i'm just to lazy to upgrade)
[20:34] <ogra_> phillw, the manifest file has all info i need ... just need to verify i didnt typo anything or made a mistake
[20:34] <ogra_> 17min to go
[21:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: updated bug 1161981, mlankhorst will work on it tomorrow
[21:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161981 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Boot stalls after Ubuntu Raring desktop ARM (Panda board) install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161981
[21:13] <ogra_> rsalveti, awesome, thanks so much !!!
[21:13] <ogra_> infinity, phillw, lubuntu ac100 finished, and approved ...
[21:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: np :-)
[21:15] <phillw> ogra_:  ^^
[21:16] <phillw> took me a few minutes to find the required button :)
[21:17] <ogra_> :)
[21:19] <dobey> is it ok to remove a single rarely used menu item in software-center right now, to fix a bug? :)
[21:20] <ogra_> i guess you need to ask the docteam ...
[21:20] <Riddell> are we nearly there yet?
[21:20] <ogra_> Riddell, after lunch :)
[21:20] <ogra_> (see backlog)
[21:22] <dobey> jbicha: ^^ ?
[21:23] <dobey> i guess i need to do a UIFE request on the bug it fixes?
[21:23] <dobey> well it's really just a workaround for a bug in gtk+/pygobject/libgirepository
[21:24] <dobey> but the menu item is pretty useless anyway
[21:30] <knome> infinity, noticed.
[21:51] <xnox> dobey: file a quick UIFE for a nod-off.
[21:51] <xnox> dobey: should be fine, considering it's useless as well =)
[21:53] <cyphermox> could someone please review/accept hud, appmenu-gtk and bamf from the queue, assuming it's good with freezes now?
[21:54] <dobey> xnox: right, ok
[22:11] <doko> so, is the freeze over?
[22:18] <slangasek> doko: we're in freeze from now until release: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-April/001030.html
[22:19] <infinity> doko: The hard "don't touch the archive, cause I'm building images" freeze is over but, yet, we're in "please review seeded packages and reject/accept as appropriate" freeze until release.
[22:20] <doko> slangasek, infinity: so it is ok to accept the uploads fixing ftbfs's
[22:20] <infinity> doko: Yep.
[22:21] <doko> ?
[22:21] <phillw> infinity: hope it was a restfull lunch break :)
[22:22] <infinity> doko: Oh, I was waiting on gwibber until we sorted the main/universe thing, but meh.
[22:22]  * infinity shrugs.
[22:23] <doko> sorry :-/
[22:23] <infinity> All good, it's not like I announced it or rejected it or anything.
[22:25] <kenvandine> infinity, seb128 said he would demote it after i uploaded
[22:26] <kenvandine> infinity, but actually there is a newer gwibber upload in the queue too
[22:27] <infinity> kenvandine: I know, but I wanted to demote first, so the new one actually built in universe and didn't get stripped.
[22:27] <infinity> kenvandine: Not a big deal.
[22:27] <kenvandine> infinity, me must have forgotten :)
[22:29] <infinity> kenvandine: Oh, heh, it'll need to be demoted before it builds anyway, I win. :)
[22:30]  * infinity will sort out why component-mismatches isn't showing it properly and demote it a bit later.
[22:30] <kenvandine> infinity, thanks
[22:33] <doko> and I assume the kde-l10n-* uploads can be built too over night
[22:33] <infinity> doko: Yeahp, ScottK said those were good to go, post-beta.
[22:33] <ScottK> Yep
[22:37] <doko> ok, leaving anything else in the queue
[22:43] <jbicha> dobey: I think USC has way too many menu items ;)
[22:43] <jbicha> my GNOME3 fanboyism comes out a bit
[22:43] <dobey> heh
[22:44]  * infinity goes about fixing bugs in the new publishing scripts, so he can publish...
[22:51] <jcastro> is there a normal Ubuntu ISO beta release due today?
[22:51] <jcastro> the FinalBetaRelease link on the release schedule wiki page is non existant
[22:52] <infinity> jcastro: It's in progress.
[22:53] <infinity> Though no one's made a wiki page for that, no.
[22:53] <jcastro> ack
[22:54] <infinity> If you want to make one, go nuts.  The existing one for Beta1Release and Beta2Release don't seem to have much basis in reality, mind you.
[22:54] <infinity> So, a wiki link to nowhere is about as informative. :P
[22:54] <phillw> infinity: have I got https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Lubuntu in the wrong place?
[22:55] <jcastro> infinity: I just want to know if there's going to be a beta ISO or not, as I don't remember which milestones were cancelled this time around.
[22:55] <jcastro> or if it's just "get a daily"
[22:56] <infinity> jcastro: There's one being released literally as we speak.
[22:56]  * jcastro nods
[22:56] <infinity> phillw: Seems fine to me.
[22:56] <slangasek> infinity: btw, can you link me the release notes?  I should make sure wubi is documented
[22:57] <infinity> slangasek: TechnicalOverview is the release notes currently.  Do you want to copy them to a static Beta2 location?  I'm not sure I see the point, rather than just evolving them until Final.
[22:57] <infinity> slangasek: (And, please, mangle them a bit if you see need)
[22:59] <slangasek> infinity: I don't think we need a static beta2 url for it; I'll give the notes that are there a once-over though
[22:59] <slangasek> wondering where to put wubi, it doesn't fit under the current headings
[22:59] <slangasek> We could change "New features in raring" to "Changes in Raring"
[23:00] <slangasek> or I could add a subheading under "Get Ubuntu 13.04"
[23:00] <slangasek> infinity: opinion?
[23:00] <infinity> slangasek: s/New Features/Changes/ seems fine, unless you want it more prominently at the top.
[23:00] <infinity> I'd think not providing the wubi binary with the release is a pretty big hint.
[23:01] <slangasek> infinity: per cjwatson, part of the motivation of sticking it in the release notes is to make sure users understand why it's gone away and aren't caught off guard come the actual release
[23:01] <slangasek> I think I'm leaning towards a new subheading under "Get"
[23:02] <ScottK> Or at least we can blame them for not reading the release notes if they are surprised.
[23:02] <slangasek> is "13.04 Final Beta" officially what we're calling this milestone?
[23:02] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, I'm not arguing against it being in the release notes, just saying it doesn't necessarily need to be right at the top.  But, given how popular it was in the past, maybe the mention is worth being prominent.
[23:02] <phillw> slangasek: beta 2?
[23:03] <infinity> slangasek: The filesystem paths are "beta-2", but I think Final Beta was the pretty name we were going for.
[23:03] <slangasek> phillw: there was no "beta-1" for some flavors
[23:03] <phillw> slangasek: but as the file paths are indeed beta-2, it does make more sense>?
[23:04] <infinity> phillw: Are you releasing lubuntu/alternate/powerpc, despite the light testing due to the G4 bug?
[23:04] <phillw> infinity: +1, ubuntu can call it as they wish :)
[23:04] <slangasek> phillw: some of the paths are, some aren't; I think it's better to stick with the "Final Beta" name, personally
[23:05] <slangasek> ah, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/13.04 doesn't exist
[23:05] <slangasek> anyone here with cdimage access who could put one of those together?
[23:05] <phillw> infinity: nope, that is why is not marked ready.
[23:05] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, it's done by hand.  I'll do that.
[23:06] <slangasek> infinity: maybe we should have called the directories "beta"; then the milestones would be in logical order, "beta -1" followed by "beta"
[23:06] <phillw> infinity: as long as we get one of the PPC out it's okay.
[23:06] <infinity> slangasek: Hrm?  The directories are universally beta-2, unless you want me to hand-mangle the Ubuntu ones.
[23:07] <phillw> for beta-1, we got desktop out, but not alternate....
[23:07] <infinity> slangasek: I'm unconvinced the file paths/names matter deeply here.
[23:07] <slangasek> infinity: nah, I'm not proposing a hand-mangle now, just suggesting that calling it "beta" across the board rather than "beta-2" may have made more sense
[23:07] <infinity> Or beta-final or something.
[23:07] <slangasek> infinity: because this is obviously the right time to be nitpicking the directory names
[23:08] <infinity> Gets overloaded with "final release", mind you.  We didn't really think it through much. :P
[23:08] <phillw> slangasek: to everyone except those who have beta-1?
[23:08] <phillw> topic for 13.10... let's get these betas out and announced :)
[23:08] <infinity> I think it's fine, really, to just have the alpha/beta cadence be per-milestone opt-in (as it is), and if people miss some, they get number gaps.
[23:09] <cjwatson> I wouldn't advise straying off the beaten path for naming until I've had a chance to look over the scripts; there is more hardcoding than one might expect/like
[23:10] <cjwatson> Due to things like "beta-2 wants to produce *-beta2-* files despite the beta-2 directories because otherwise there's hyphen overload"
[23:11] <cjwatson> and there is a notion somewhere of which milestones are "important"
[23:11] <phillw> cjwatson: indeed, even on my (small) mirror server, it will try to zsync a beta-2 from a beta-1. Else zsync just pulls in the entire ISO.
[23:11] <cjwatson> cdimage suffers from requirements overload
[23:11] <cjwatson> So best not to pile on more requirements for cosmetics :)
[23:12] <phillw> +2
[23:12] <phillw> oops... +1
[23:12] <infinity> What, Colin doesn't deserve a 2?
[23:13] <infinity> slangasek: netboot index sorted.
[23:13] <Riddell> what am I doing wrong here copying packages? http://paste.kde.org/716294/
[23:13] <phillw> infinity: he does, but I'm not allowed two votes :D
[23:14] <cjwatson> Riddell: I think it needds a source PPA name as well as a source PPA owner
[23:14] <cjwatson> (--ppa-name IIRC)
[23:17]  * cjwatson -> bed.  Will probably hear SMSes for a bit if it's world-endingly urgent
[23:18] <Riddell> cjwatson: spot on
[23:18] <slangasek> infinity: thanks - tweaked a couple missed s/quantal/raring/
[23:18] <slangasek> infinity: should 'omap' perhaps be labelled in more detail now that it's actually "generic" (even though it hasn't been renamed yet)?
[23:21] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, my sed was missing a /g probably.  Thanks.
[23:21] <infinity> slangasek: As for the omap/generic thing, I intend to rename the d-i flavour next week, and I can fix the links and such at that point.
[23:22] <infinity> cjwatson: Gah.
[23:22] <infinity> cjwatson: Unbed, unbed!
[23:22] <cjwatson> oh?
[23:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Publishing to full seems fine, so far.  My first simple attempt just blew up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/5678244/
[23:23] <cjwatson> technically that only matters for wubi, but let's see ...
[23:29] <cjwatson> Yeah, I think that's some tedious change in the +cdmirrors-rss output.  Metalink files only matter if you're publishing an image that wubi.exe needs to read; under the circs I think we can cope without that.  publish-release tolerates this failure, just a bit noisily (note how it kept going).  I'd still like to fix this on principle, but it can wait until I'm back at a proper keyboard.
[23:29] <cjwatson> Unless Steve remembers how source control for MirrorMetalink works and wants to sort it out ...
[23:29] <cjwatson> ('cos I don't, would need to figure that out)
[23:30] <slangasek> mmm, I don't remember, no
[23:30] <cjwatson> I remember it being weird
[23:31] <infinity> cjwatson: If that didn't actually cause it to fail to do anything useful, I can live with the noise today.  You need sleep, and I need to be drunk.
[23:31] <cjwatson> Uh, one problem
[23:31] <cjwatson> ... never mind
[23:32] <infinity> ...
[23:33] <cjwatson> (Thought it would have deleted .metalink files for stable releases, but this isn't done for .pool so it's OK.  Never mind me.)
[23:33] <cjwatson> Kinda surprised you haven't run into this for full yet.    Remember to sync-mirrors after checking that everything is OK.
[23:35] <infinity> Seemed to not crash for kubuntu.
[23:35] <infinity> Broke twice for ubuntu.
[23:35] <infinity> Hence my simple/full stab in the dark.
[23:35] <cjwatson> Do check the file structure on disk as well as lack of explosions, of course, and that HEADER.html and .htaccess for some samples look OK.
[23:35]  * infinity nods.
[23:36] <infinity> File lists looked reasonable, I'll poke headers in a sec.
[23:36] <cjwatson> Cool.
[23:37]  * infinity wonders if the ubuntukylin HEADER.html should be in Chinese.
[23:38] <slangasek> probably? in theory? :)
[23:38] <cjwatson> Arguably, I suppose :)
[23:38] <infinity> slangasek: Want to get them to translate it before final?
[23:38] <infinity> Also, isotracker says ubuntugnome, cdimage says ubuntu-gnome.  HELPFUL.
[23:39] <slangasek> infinity: poked
[23:39] <infinity> La la la.
[23:42] <phillw> infinity: yeah, the guy who writes the zsync script actually corrected my entry. A final decision would be helpful :)
[23:42] <infinity> phillw: I'm going with what cdimage says. :P
[23:42] <infinity> phillw: I'll get the tracker to say the right thing when I figure out how...
[23:45] <phillw> 77CAAVMF2: are you following?
[23:46] <infinity> Or, I'll pester stgraber to fix the tracker later, since I can't sort out where that incorrect string lives.
[23:49] <infinity> cjwatson: The "find | sed s/daily/beta/" bit at the end of publish-image-set might be obsolete now?  The new scripts seemed to spit out a sane HEADER.  I think.
[23:49] <77CAAVMF2> phillw: I'm following the fact my bladder says I need to visit a room, if that's what you mean.
[23:49] <phillw> infinity: I've only been granted rights today, so I'm not a lot of use.
[23:50] <phillw> and those were just for approving releleases, not publishing to them.
[23:57] <phillw> infinity: were their people behind (22:15:23) queuebot: (notice) Builds: Lubuntu Desktop Preinstalled armhf+ac100 [Raring Beta 2] has been marked as ready ? (GMT+1)
[23:58] <phillw> *Where*
[23:58] <infinity> I think you wanted 'were'.
[23:58] <infinity> And yes, I marked it ready, based on Oli's testing.


[00:41] <XiXaQ> if I have a raid-1 setup and one disk crashes.. How do I see that?
[02:07] <vjl323> XiXaq: /var/log/syslog should tell you; are you using a RAID controler or software-based RAID?
[02:11] <fujin_> anyone very familiar with proftpd?
[02:12] <fujin_> I need to do a blanket quota
[02:12] <fujin_> of 10mb per usa
[02:12] <fujin_> user*8
[02:55] <XiXaQ> vjl323, no, I'm planning. I don't get my server until a few weeks. :)
[03:56] <kgoetz> does ubuntu-server have its own domain like [x,k,ed]ubuntu?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> kgoetz: no
[04:37] <kgoetz> Burgundavia: ok. just checking
[04:50] <ajmitch> hello dendrobates
[04:51] <dendrobates> ajmitch: hi
[06:11] <stiv2k> why doesnt my server have an `htpasswd2`?
[06:11] <stiv2k> only htpasswd
[06:15] <kgoetz> why should it have one?
[06:15] <stiv2k> i don't know
[06:16] <stiv2k> i am following a guide that is asking me to use htpasswd2
[06:16] <stiv2k> so i decided to ask to be on the safe side before i use htpasswd
[06:17] <stiv2k> kgoetz: eh?
[08:03] <kraut> moin
[08:03] <_ruben> mornin
[10:26] <zobbo> Where can I reconfig the system timezone on Gutsy Server ?
[10:26] <avatar_> zobbo: tzconfig
[10:27] <zobbo> hmmm, 'tzconfig' not found and no suggested packages displayed
[10:28] <zobbo> ah - bug #148891 - "tzconfig not in gutsy"
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148891 in glibc "tzconfig not in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148891
[10:28] <zobbo> SNAP ! :)
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:30] <avatar_> ah, on my server i'm still running feisty
[10:30] <zobbo> can I borrow your tzconfig guv ?
[10:31] <avatar_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>~]
[10:31] <avatar_> % cat /etc/timezone
[10:31] <avatar_> Europe/Amsterdam
[10:32]  * zobbo gives it a go
[10:33] <avatar_> zobbo: you can try tzselect
[10:33] <zobbo> ooh
[10:33] <zobbo> that's there !
[10:33] <zobbo> thank you !
[10:33] <avatar_> Note that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for  you.  Use ’dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’ to achieve this.
[10:34] <avatar_> ...
[10:34] <zobbo> and thank you once again. Saved me a couple of hours of tearing my hair out !!!
[10:35] <avatar_> np
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> could i check out the ubuntu(-server) docs the same way as the edubuntu stuff? i assume its in bzr on LP?
[13:55] <AnRkey> I have changed my hostname in /etc/hostname, how to i force the change to take effect?
[13:58] <avatar_> AnRkey: which: hostname <yournewhostname>
[14:00] <AnRkey> thank you kind sir :D
[15:36] <spiekey> hi
[15:36] <spiekey> this might be a little OT :-(
[15:36] <spiekey>  when i try to install Feisty Fawn from CD i get:
[15:36] <spiekey> sd 4:0:0:0 Attached scsi disk sdb
[15:36] <spiekey> sd 4:0:0:0 Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[15:36] <spiekey> then it stops. I have a Scaleo Pa2505
[15:38] <mralphabet> spiekey: try gutsy
[15:38] <spiekey> hmm..maybe its my usb disk! I will reboot, try again and come back ;)
[15:38] <spiekey> whats gutsy?
[15:38] <spiekey> oh, 7.10
[15:39] <spiekey> is it not experimental?
[15:39] <mralphabet> released last week?  week before?
[15:40] <spiekey> i have a AMD64 X2, do i want the amd64 iso?
[15:40] <spiekey> i still want a 32bit operating system + tools
[15:42] <mralphabet> I think you just answered your own question
[15:50] <spiekey> so the i386 thing?
[15:54] <spiekey> i thought you can run a 64bit kernel with 32bit applications?
[17:39] <spiekey> hi
[17:39] <spiekey> has anyone an idea why my ubuntu installation hangs here? http://i24.tinypic.com/348rdwy.jpg
[17:39] <spiekey> its 6.06 LTS
[17:39] <spiekey> (installing on vmware)
[17:40] <spiekey> from iso image
[17:41] <tepsipakki> spiekey: check the console (alt-f4)
[17:42] <spiekey> how can i send alt+f4 to vmware?
[17:44] <spiekey> oh, with alt+f4 :)
[17:44] <tepsipakki> don't remember, maybe there was a button for locking alt
[17:45] <tepsipakki> ah
[17:52] <spiekey> F1 screen: http://i24.tinypic.com/34dizvs.jpg
[17:53] <spiekey> F4 screen: http://i20.tinypic.com/2vt14cl.jpg
[17:53] <spiekey> now, this is not going to be helpful, is it?
[17:54] <sommer> spiekey: almost looks like your network settings aren't correct.
[18:57] <lerolero> is there a ubuntu-server related blogsphere of some sort ?
[19:03] <sommer> lerolero: do you mean blog software? or a server related blog?  AFAK some server dev blogs are aggregated here: http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/
[19:34] <rbrunhuber> I need help with a feisty server + spamassassin + amavis setup. The permissions for the bayes db get screwed up very often.
[19:34] <tepsipakki> spiekey: you could try on #ubuntu-installer, but yeah, you can check the network settings by opening a console session on VT2 or 3
[19:38] <stiv2k> anybody here know a little something abotu WebDAV?
[19:39] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: what do you need?
[19:39] <stiv2k> rbrunhuber: well i'm trying to set up subversion following this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn
[19:39] <stiv2k> but i am having problems with the webDAV part, h/o let me retrieve the error i'm getting
[19:40] <stiv2k> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/project_resurrection'
[19:40] <stiv2k> svn: PROPFIND of '/project_resurrection': Could not read status line: Secure connection truncated (https://websvn.neoturbine.net)
[19:42] <rbrunhuber> is this server public reachable?
[19:42] <stiv2k> yes it should be
[19:42] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: no it always times out.
[19:42] <stiv2k> rbrunhuber: what port you trying to connect on?
[19:42] <stiv2k> 443?
[19:43] <stiv2k> i think the problem lies with SSL as the guide completely skips over explaining how to setup an SSL certificate and such :|
[19:44] <stiv2k> i dont know why they would show you how to set up webdav with SSL yet not show you how to set up SSL
[19:47] <stiv2k> ??
[19:53] <lerolero> sommer: thanks for the link. that's exactly what I was looking for.
[19:53] <sommer> np
[20:55] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: Sorry, i was distracted: boss calling.
[20:55] <stiv2k> its okay
[20:55] <stiv2k> i (sort of) got it working
[20:55] <stiv2k> i have it working w/o ssl
[20:56] <mralphabet> stiv2k: somebody did a writeup of svn + ssl on http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/
[20:56] <mralphabet> it's about 2/3 down the page
[20:56] <stiv2k> nice
[20:56] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k : there is one rule of thumb: There is no such thing like a free lunch with apache2 + ssl
[20:56] <stiv2k> hehe
[20:56] <stiv2k> what are you implying?
[20:57] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: for example virtual host + ssl is not working.
[20:58] <stiv2k> uh oh
[20:58] <stiv2k> really?
[20:58] <stiv2k> so i can pretty much scrap the idea
[20:58] <sommer>  stiv2k: You can use IP based vhosts with Apache + SSL
[20:58] <stiv2k> i usually use <Virtualhost *:80>
[20:59] <rbrunhuber> sommer, stiv2k: thanks for the correction namebased virtual hosts are not working.
[21:00] <stiv2k> correction
[21:00] <stiv2k> <VirtualHost *>
[21:00] <stiv2k> i don't know if that's name-based or IP based
[21:00] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k, sommer: i got around this problem by redirecting for example http://webmail.example.com  to https://example.com/webmail
[21:00] <sommer> stiv2k: that's named based.
[21:01] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k : and http://svn.example.com to https://example.com/svn
[21:01] <sommer> <VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80>
[21:01] <sommer> <VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80>
[21:01] <sommer> you'll need to add extra IP's to your interface
[21:02] <stiv2k> sommer: well i have several name based virtual hosts
[21:02] <stiv2k> and i have a dynamic public ip
[21:02] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: then you are forced to use name based vhosts
[21:02] <sommer> stiv2k: here's a link explaining why you need IP based: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html
[21:03] <sommer> actually that link doesn't... looking for correct link
[21:05] <rbrunhuber> the problem is, that ssl is defined in the server context and not in the virtual host context, which means that you can only specify one ssl certificate.
[21:05] <sommer> try this link: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts2
[21:08] <rbrunhuber> stivk what do your virtual host names look like?
[21:08] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: see above
[21:13] <rbrunhuber> sommer: seems stiv is now busy reading.
[21:14] <sommer> heh... I had to deal with that ssl name vhosts issue a couple of months ago, one of those woops moments.
[21:16] <rbrunhuber> sommer : me too, as my website is only intended for a very small audience i use redirects vom http (pretty url) to https (ugly url)
[21:25] <stiv2k> hehe
[21:25] <stiv2k> sorry
[21:26] <stiv2k> okay
[21:27] <stiv2k> so i can't just use one certificate ?
[21:58] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k: ?
[21:59] <rbrunhuber> stiv2k:  you must use only one certificate and you must have only one virtualhost stanza if you are using name based virtual hosts
[22:01] <stiv2k> rbrunhuber: i see
[22:07] <UnNaturalHigh> I have ubuntu-server i386 installed. I know that it is not wise in most instances to have X.org installed on a server so this is why I ask this. Would it be alright for a home server to have X running and if not would running an xen server and having a domU desktop make more sense?
[22:24] <lerolero> timestamps...
[22:25] <leonel> UnNaturalHigh: why use xen ?? will there be different users ?
[22:25] <leonel> if its a home server  ..
[22:27] <UnNaturalHigh> leonel, only user is me from a GUI perspective
[22:29] <lerolero> UnNaturalHigh: do you have a desktop other than the server, or you must use the server console ?
[22:29] <UnNaturalHigh> lerolero, I have two laptops on my desk and the server at my feet
[22:30] <UnNaturalHigh> I just wanted to use the monitor as an extra desktop with synergy and X11 forwarding
[22:31] <lerolero> gotcha.
[22:32] <lerolero> I wouldn't use xen at all for this setup. just install the packages and configure the X server by hand.
[22:32] <UnNaturalHigh> just trying to get some people's opinions more or less on what direction I should take
[22:32] <lerolero> well, I usually don't have a local console on my servers.
[22:32] <UnNaturalHigh> yea, I was just going to run e17 or fluxbox anywho
[22:33] <UnNaturalHigh> security is not a big concern on a home cable connection
[22:33] <UnNaturalHigh> I already run a nice firewall in the form of pfsense
[22:33] <lerolero> :)
[22:35] <UnNaturalHigh> thanks for you input lerolero
[22:35]  * UnNaturalHigh is going back to school :)