[01:10] <celesteh> Somebody in the #firefox channel pointed me in the right direction
[01:10] <daftykins> oh? was it a purge reinstall of firefox?
[02:27] <celesteh> No, if you delete the CAs, after firefox restarts, they come back, but are left with no authority. If one goes to advances preferences and edits them, they can be turned back on.  I didn't think to check this, as I assumed clicking 'delete' would have deleted them.
[02:29] <daftykins> ah :D
[02:29] <daftykins> strange to have the access to delete them in the first place if they never truly leave
[02:38] <ali12341> you probably don't have access to delete them if you installed firefox from a package... that is probably why they come back
[03:03] <mapps> hey all
[03:03] <mapps> or anyone stll up;p
[03:07] <mapps> guess noone hm
[03:09] <mapps> no daftykins  or shauno..shocked
[08:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:36] <zmoylan-pi> put all your clocks back then czajkowski?
[08:38] <MooDoo> howdy czajkowski et all
[08:42] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: aye indeed
[08:42] <czajkowski> MooDoo: howdy
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> just seemed a little early
[08:50] <czajkowski> hens and dog are up
[08:50] <czajkowski> no rest for the wicked
[08:54] <zmoylan-pi> hens and dogs didn't put their clock back
[08:58] <czajkowski> hens get up super early and lay
[08:58] <czajkowski> :/
[08:58] <czajkowski> when they lay they tend to tell everyone they're up
[08:58] <czajkowski> fireworks last night set Bash off :/
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> you can get tranqs for pets this time of year.  freaks some of them out
[09:00] <czajkowski> I think it was just we were unprepared for it
[09:00] <czajkowski> thought it would be on nov 5th
[09:00] <zmoylan-pi> usually for 2-3 weeks before for halloween here but since they started massively fining fireworks users has died out a fair bit
[09:04] <czajkowski> it's so weird to be at your grocery shop and just have a fireworks section
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> well ireland... would have made it too easy
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> more fun getting them illegally
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Animation Day!  :-P
[09:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'm 16stone you're what 10, and you are picking me up :P
[09:59] <JamesTait> davmor2, probably closer to 12 after last week. :-P
[10:00] <nigelb> how much is one stone again?
[10:00] <JamesTait> nigelb, 14 pounds. ;)
[10:01] <JamesTait> nigelb, and a pound is 16 ounces. :)
[10:01] <MooDoo> i'm lots of stones
[10:01] <nigelb> That didn't help. I had to convert 14 pounds into kg :P
[10:01] <JamesTait> nigelb, 1kg = 2.2 pounds.
[10:02] <nigelb> Right, so I'm ~14 stones.
[10:02] <nigelb> Need to get rid of 3 of 'em.
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> stick your leg in tiger enclosure?
[10:03] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:03]  * MooDoo is a few more stones...
[10:03] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, that would be one way... maybe a tad drastic, but effective.
[10:03] <nigelb> not *that* desperate either
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> but you'd have a story that would get you free beers for rest of your life :-p
[10:06] <dogmatic69> Rapid weight loss is never good, would not be very healthy loosing the entire leg in one go. Better to start with a foot and work up...
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> so a boa constrictor...
[10:07] <nigelb> zmoylan-pi: my friend who works on wikipedia gets free beer everywhere.
[10:08] <nigelb> If I tell someone I work on ubuntu, I might get a laptop with no sound or something thrown at me instead :P
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> students are forever om their debt
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> *in
[10:10] <ThomasRedstone> weight loss is only what you're measuring, not what you actually want though ;-)
[10:11]  * JamesTait chuckles at nigelb
[10:12] <nigelb> I have to admit, we're way better.
[10:12] <nigelb> I remember when I started some computers would have wifi or sound issues.
[10:12] <nigelb> They days, most laptops just work on linux.
[10:15] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm now surprised when things don't work
[10:16] <BigRedS> but I'm not sure if that's my conservative taste in hardware, better consistency from hardware manufacturers, or better support in Linux
[10:20] <nigelb> 27
[10:20] <nigelb> (gah)
[10:22] <directhex> that's numberwang!
[10:25] <popey> Seems there may be a new xps 13 on the horizon...
[10:41] <brobostigon> i am going to kill apache for a minutw, to work out a ram problem, so the stats will be off for a moment.
[10:42] <popey> I doubt anyone would notice ☻
[10:42] <brobostigon> ok,
[10:44] <brobostigon> yep, it was apache, it was hogging ram, and lagging the whole server.
[10:45] <BigRedS> That's normally a good reason to not do anything clever with logrotate
[10:46] <BigRedS> restart all of apache every night, tidies up after leaky sites
[10:46] <brobostigon> i just did that, it hasnt helped things,
[10:47] <BigRedS> How did you deduce that Apache was using all the ram?
[10:48] <directhex> apache hungry! omnomnomnomnom
[10:48] <brobostigon> a combination of top htop ps and load
[10:49] <directhex> mainframes are weird.
[10:49] <BigRedS> and now that apache's restarted it's appearting to use a load of memory again?
[10:49] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:50] <popey> directhex: you porting mono to s390?
[10:50] <directhex> popey: nah, it's worked on s390 for years. am building stable packages for it though
[10:51] <popey> ahh
[10:52] <BigRedS> brobostigon: is it a few children using loads of memory, or just loads of processes sat around hogging it
[10:52] <BigRedS> for the latter its' often a slow external resource (like the DB) and the children are all just sat there waiting on responses
[10:52] <directhex> popey: using Hercules to emulate a box, as i can't find a way to pay for an s390x VM
[10:53] <popey> that must be s l o w
[10:53] <directhex> popey: 11 hours compiling so far...
[10:53] <popey> yup
[10:53] <brobostigon> BigRedS: both, so i am reducing apache's processes and see what happens.
[10:53] <directhex> 9 hours for the dpkg messing about, plus 2 so far for the class library
[10:53] <popey> directhex: they're powerpc?
[10:53] <BigRedS> well, more of your visitors will not get responses
[10:53] <directhex> popey: no. mainframes have their own processors.
[10:54] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z/Architecture
[10:54] <brobostigon> BigRedS: yes, however not that many people use it, therefore, i wont worry yet.
[10:55] <directhex> popey: access to POWER servers is a separate unresolved issue
[10:55] <BigRedS> Apache doesn't just generate business for its children, though. If you've several processes doing things, then that's because some visitor has asked them to
[10:55] <popey> now ubuntu builds for power, surely we have PPA access to them for building?
[10:56] <directhex> popey: only for canonical staff. and that's only for 64-bit little-endian ppc, which is "new" & doesn't cover most existing PPC installs in the wild, which are big-endian
[10:57] <popey> ahh
[10:57] <directhex> and you can't run a big-endian chroot on a little-endian kernel. rage.
[10:59] <directhex> you can get a ppc64el cloud VM for about $30 a month
[10:59] <brobostigon> thats helped, its still using laods of ram, but the load is definatly lower.
[11:01] <BigRedS> it's probable that whatever code's running the site just uses loads of memory
[11:02] <brobostigon> yes.
[11:02] <BigRedS> then it's a problem for a web developer and I can't help :)_
[11:02] <brobostigon> yep.
[12:45] <MooDoo> howdy all
[12:47] <popey> yo
[12:47] <BigRedS> morning!
[12:47] <MooDoo> just read about ubuntus openstack that you tweeted about....interesting :D
[12:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: howdo
[12:48] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 how are you?
[12:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: mostly tired
[12:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i bet....
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: but did you acheive all you wanted to at the us sprint?
[12:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: no I found a bug that stopped me doing it didn't get fixed till the Friday :)
[12:55] <MooDoo> booo but yay for getting it fixed
[14:03] <SuperMatt> beep boop
[14:04] <MooDoo> bless you
[14:08] <davmor2> SuperMatt: is a bot in disguise
[14:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: my big worry is that you understood that as a robot sneeze and didn't expose him as a bot, Now I'm concerned you might be one too ;)
[14:10] <MooDoo> no human i am.
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi>  everything i say is a lie MooDoo :-p
[14:10]  * zmoylan-pi waits...
[14:11] <MooDoo> so you don't don't lie?
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> absolutely :-)
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> for sure for sure
[14:11] <Myrtti> "Lucasfilm classics come to GOG.com" http://www.gog.com/
[14:12] <directhex> only 33% for linux so far. SCANDAL
[14:13] <directhex> i should buy the lucas games. it's more honest than the scummvm data packs i've been lugging around for a decade
[14:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: doing impressions of yoda doesn't make you human ;)
[14:14] <MooDoo> Turing test time ;)
[14:15] <popey> hmm, would those packs be usable in scummvm?
[14:15] <directhex> popey: good question. gimme 5 mins.
[14:15] <popey> at the sprint last week someone got scummvm working on ubuntu phone
[14:15] <popey> which would be fun
[14:16] <davmor2> popey: I'm pretty sure there is a scummvm portable for android so if it uses those controls that should be okay for most games :)
[14:17] <popey> well, it had to be ported to mir
[14:17] <directhex> /opt/GOG Games/Sam And Max Hit The Road/scummvm/scummvm_x86_64
[14:17] <directhex> does that answer the question?
[14:17] <popey> lolz
[14:17] <popey> yes
[14:19] <davmor2> directhex: maybe, could you be a little more precise though? ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: are you being feisty? or just feeling gutsy?  ps you're looking dapper.
[14:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: nicely done
[14:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i was raring to say something....quite breezy actually.
[14:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: You sound a little saucy if you do it in public though, as edgy as it can be it will start to become hoary and warty finally, and any raring and vivid reader would tell you as much :)
[14:32] <popey> weirdos
[14:32] <popey> oh no, that's 15.10
[14:33] <davmor2> popey: haha
[14:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: you taking something, you're sounding a bit lucid
[14:34] <davmor2> popey: Weirdo Weebles
[15:46] <diddledan> I finded a bug in chrome-ios
[15:46] <diddledan> \o/ me
[15:47] <diddledan> I'm awesome!
[15:47] <diddledan> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=427933
[16:19] <daftykins> diddledan: will you get moneys?
[16:19] <daftykins> ;)
[16:19] <diddledan> daftykins: it's not security hole unfortunately :-(
[16:19] <diddledan> :-p
[16:19] <daftykins> ah they're security alone, ok
[16:19] <daftykins> figures.
[16:19] <daftykins> i just clicked and started reading :>
[16:19] <daftykins> how are you today sir?
[16:20] <diddledan> I'm good ta
[16:20] <diddledan> ooh, someone just updated the ticket
[16:20] <diddledan> changed the label
[16:21] <daftykins> 0o
[16:21] <daftykins> i didn't know chromium was on iOS
[16:21] <diddledan> it's a weird frankenstein I believe
[16:21] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:21] <daftykins> is it on the App store?
[16:22] <diddledan> it's using the ios webview but they've fudged it to allow support for things that the ios webview doesn't -- like webp images
[16:22] <diddledan> it's on the appstore as "google chrome"
[16:33] <daftykins> diddledan: moar replies!
[16:38] <diddledan> bah, he sucks
[16:38] <davmor2> MooDoo, popey: you both might like this https://play.spotify.com/album/5ufeHHYtjfinUjlPHRUcO8
[16:39] <popey> not clicking that
[16:40] <davmor2> popey: seriously it is just a nice compilation cd promise
[16:40] <popey> http://cdn.arwrath.com/1/115242.gif
[16:41] <davmor2> popey: when have I ever lied to you about good music :P
[17:45] <shauno> davmor2: why am I listening to Albatross?
[17:46] <diddledan> shauno: you really should learn not to click random links on the internet - you'll get cooties
[17:46] <daftykins> :D
[17:46] <shauno> but but but ..
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> worse, you'll catch windows!!
[17:47] <diddledan> shauno: that's your trouble - buts
[17:47]  * diddledan ventures into potentially family-unfriendly places
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> an apple store?
[17:47] <davmor2> shauno: because it is an excellent piece of music :P   not to mention the other tracks on the album :P
[17:50] <davmor2> shauno: as to why it started on Albatross no Idea I just clicked on share and paste the link for MooDoo and popey who I thought would also appreciate the music
[17:51] <shauno> I appear to have immunity to windows :)  (although I'm getting the hang of putty!)
[17:54] <shauno> my other favourite "windows workflow" is to put things into dropbox so I can mutilate them with sed/awk/etc and send them back
[17:55] <shauno> but it's not really that bad once you've found a way to a) get out of it, and b) get your files out of it
[17:55] <daftykins> dropbox or Windows? ;)
[17:56] <shauno> heh, windows
[17:59] <daftykins> all i know is you don't get in the way of someone's workflow
[17:59] <daftykins> so i don't try and convert people.
[17:59] <daftykins> my mac client couldn't work out how to zip a few files the other day, so that and some other reasons have her wanting to jump ship to Windows
[18:00] <shauno> I guess it'd help if it used the verb 'zip' instead of 'archive'
[18:01] <daftykins> :D
[18:01] <daftykins> and she didn't have a messy desktop so that trying to demo creating one, there was no idea as to where the result went
[18:06]  * brobostigon wonders if google/android fit is compatible with his pebble.
[18:07] <maps|wrk> hi all
[18:07] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:07] <daftykins> o/
[18:09] <maps|wrk> sup daftykins
[18:09] <daftykins> not much here mate, getting the winter blues from it being dark early :/
[18:10] <maps|wrk> :((
[18:10] <maps|wrk> so tomorrow il call gibtelecom
[18:10] <maps|wrk> should be un fun
[18:10] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:10] <maps|wrk> my 100mbit is only getting 20mbit..done tests at several times of the day etc
[18:10] <daftykins> do you just have to shout "ENGLISH!" at them until they put someone on that can speak it? :>
[18:11] <maps|wrk> i dont expect 100 but more than 20 ;p
[18:11] <maps|wrk> nah they speak english and spanish in gibraltar as normal
[18:11] <daftykins> ah
[18:11] <maps|wrk> its more a case of speaking to clueless fools
[18:11] <maps|wrk> like when you phone an isp in the uk
[18:11] <daftykins> indeed
[18:11] <daftykins> i was over my mates yesterday because his ADSL was meant to have been activated, but it wasn't
[18:11] <maps|wrk> my sky isnt the 90mbit i pay for..(the sky im on atm) but cant phone from abroad really
[18:11] <daftykins> when the support person kept following the stupid script ideas about resetting the router i was getting very ragey
[18:11] <daftykins> but i wasn't the one on the phone
[18:11] <maps|wrk> yea thing is, i was told 100mbit from 24th we got connected on like 18th and it was 4mbit..i guessed temporary
[18:12] <daftykins> yeah perhaps until profiles update or something, what kind of tech is it using? coming into the property over fiber, or?
[18:12] <maps|wrk> then she said 100mnbit from 24th well its like 20..dunno if  its an error or simply like theyve got my account wromng..when i phoned before she didnt know what speed i should be on (as my net wasnt meant to go live till 24) said i hadnt signed for ANYTHING but 100mbit and she says 'oh well 100mbit from 24'
[18:12] <maps|wrk> so what was i paying for before then and meant to be getting?>
[18:13] <maps|wrk> yea they say its fibre
[18:13] <maps|wrk> got some technicolor router thing cant remember exact model
[18:13] <daftykins> if it's going into the phone like that's VDSL and won't hit 100Mb
[18:13] <maps|wrk> they had to come in and change the phone socket tho..sky's better..sky dont have to as their router includes everything thats needed
[18:13] <daftykins> *phone line
[18:13] <maps|wrk> bt had to come and change my dads socket
[18:14] <maps|wrk> gimme a sec il find link
[18:14] <daftykins> no, the Home 500 sockets are far better than using filters
[18:15] <shauno> my favourite isp story is still sitting there with the win98 sounds folder loaded up in xmms for when Charter wanted me to reboot.  I figured out it was easier to fake it than to fight the script
[18:15] <daftykins> :D
[18:15] <daftykins> that's great
[18:15] <maps|wrk> LOL
[18:15] <maps|wrk> i like it
[18:15] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  https://www.gibtele.com/fibrebroadband/
[18:15] <daftykins> i'd just say i had them turned off, 'cause that's what i did in 98 era
[18:16] <shauno> I tried explaining a few times that if there's not enough lights on the modem, the router can't find internet and my debian boxes cease to become relevant
[18:16] <daftykins> :D
[18:16] <shauno> it turns out the correct answer is "okay.  done that, what now?"
[18:16] <daftykins> i was trying to get my mate to say there's no damned line sync last night
[18:17] <daftykins> so no point resetting routers and "avoiding going on the web admin for 15 minutes"
[18:17] <daftykins> also lol  at that last bit.
[18:17] <daftykins> because an HTTP request hitting a router will clearly make it throw its' toys out of the pram
[18:17] <maps|wrk> you looked at the url daftykins
[18:18] <daftykins> maps|wrk: yeah but it's not exactly technical. mentions FTTN
[18:18] <maps|wrk> si
[18:18] <maps|wrk> clown company
[18:18] <daftykins> doesn't say whether you can get it where you are
[18:18] <maps|wrk> what do you mean?
[18:18] <daftykins> er, doesn't mean* rather
[18:18] <daftykins> "Most local addresses are no more than 400-500m away from these sites, ensuring that SuperSwift fibre broadband speeds are available throughout."
[18:18] <daftykins> did they speed test your premises to say it could be had?
[18:19] <maps|wrk> yea when i was there they saud they checked toi see if i could get 100mbit
[18:19] <maps|wrk> but did they really....
[18:21] <shauno> I gotta say, my current isp have been great for that.  the only time I've need to call them, they used the magic words "hang on, I'll find someone who should know what you're talking about".  win!
[18:21] <daftykins> maps|wrk: the key thing here is to look at what speeds your device is actually syncing at, not what speed tests say
[18:21] <daftykins> shauno: XD
[18:21] <daftykins> yeah i got that when i called in to report packet loss
[18:22] <daftykins> got transferred away from the newb helpdeskers
[18:22] <maps|wrk> whats the chance someone at work could see what im doing without actually viewing my pc as i type? -- im using ssl https://frogs.zapto.org 0- the site is run on my server in my room and uses basic user/pass -
[18:22] <daftykins> though nobody ever phoned me to say they fixed it, i just saw it drop one day and came back ok
[18:22] <shauno> that was exactly it.  I was trying to describe how pinging google was bouncing between, eg, 18, 3000, nope, back to 18, back to nope ..
[18:22] <daftykins> hehe
[18:22] <daftykins> lovely jitter
[18:23] <daftykins> maps|wrk: i was being told of workplaces just the other day that strip SSL and intercept employees SSL sessions
[18:23] <daftykins> but who knows
[18:23] <maps|wrk> hmm
[18:23] <daftykins> if there's risk, you shouldn't be doing it over their infrastructure
[18:23] <maps|wrk> is it likely ythey could and how would i know? it still shows that its using ssl
[18:23] <shauno> ours do that :/  everything comes in signed with zscaler
[18:24] <daftykins> D:
[18:24] <daftykins> that'll be why your colleague uses that 3G modem and Pi combo then?
[18:24] <daftykins> :>
[18:24] <shauno> well, that's specifically because ssh is blocked  heh
[18:24] <maps|wrk> i use ajaxterm
[18:24] <maps|wrk> just updating my trusty old dell atm
[18:24] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:25] <shauno> our only outbound access is via proxy.  the same proxy that re-signs everything.  and there's no "getting around it" because there isn't a route
[18:25] <daftykins> nasty!
[18:25] <maps|wrk> re-signs?
[18:25] <shauno> I have a little mifi that I use with my own laptop.  he has a serial cable to his pi, dressed up in white so it really does look like multiplayer notepad
[18:25] <daftykins> certificates
[18:26] <daftykins> XD
[18:27] <daftykins> maps|wrk: you can actually query these Technicolor routers for their line sync via UPnP queries, as the web admin doesn't reveal them.
[18:28] <daftykins> you don't have a working PC though do you?
[18:28] <maps|wrk> yea i do..my trusty old netbook :D samsung nc10 :D
[18:28] <maps|wrk> i can use that?
[18:29] <daftykins> if it has a Loonix on it sure
[18:29] <daftykins> and is new enough to have the right packages
[18:32] <maps|wrk> ah no wrunning winblows 7
[18:32] <daftykins> you can knock up a live session though right?
[18:32] <daftykins> on a flash drive
[18:33] <maps|wrk> yea i could ..would have to be USB as no cd/dvd drive
[18:33] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:33] <maps|wrk> ubuntu live cd prob got an iso or 2 on the hdd as it is
[18:34] <maps|wrk> http://frogs.zapto.org/images/main/mouse.jpg
[18:34] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:34] <daftykins> nobody uses optical media for live sessions anymore, as ubuntus are too big now
[18:34] <daftykins> well, too big for CD that is
[18:38] <daftykins> maps|wrk: here we go, got it running on my VM
[18:39] <daftykins> maps|wrk: the package "miniupnpc" provides the binary "upnpc", so you install it and run "upnpc -s" as a standard user, which then queries the router for its' connection status
[18:39] <maps|wrk> hm
[18:39] <maps|wrk> no way to fiund out from the web based config for the router
[18:39] <daftykins> mine responds with MaxBitRateDown: 45492000 bps (45.4 Mbps) MaxBitRateUp 11087000 bps (11.0 Mbps )
[18:39] <daftykins> no, as i started by saying :)
[18:40] <daftykins> your router will only tell you your *provisioned* speed
[18:40] <daftykins> for example that's telling me 45 and 11, my provisioned speed is 40 and 5
[18:40] <daftykins> i'd love to have 10Mb up :(
[18:41] <maps|wrk> heh
[18:43] <shauno> do we need to reel another string out to your island?
[18:43] <daftykins> :D
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: careful it might sink
[18:43] <daftykins> shauno: actually we need to employ more opera singers to sing across the coast.
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Like sirens?
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> it'll just snag on a submarine again
[18:44] <shauno> submarines are rarely the issue .. they're usually trying to miss the floor.  it's freight dragging anchor that ruins your weekend
[18:45] <daftykins> or angry sharks
[18:45] <shauno> most of those are safely employed in london :)
[18:45] <daftykins> XD
[18:45] <daftykins> 40/5 is quite good for an island though
[18:45] <daftykins> especially as we have no FUPs on our broadband services
[18:46] <diddledan> FUP FTW
[18:46] <diddledan> I'm hungry
[18:47] <diddledan> I really should turn a light on, too
[18:47] <daftykins> hahaha
[18:47] <daftykins> lit alone by the screens eh?
[18:47] <daftykins> i do that far too often
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> as long as it's green text on black background :-)
[18:49] <daftykins> hah
[18:57] <maps|wrk> surely cables rarely get cut/damaged these days...theyre so far down and surely got big thick casings protecting them
[18:58] <daftykins> nope regular occurence
[18:58] <daftykins> some eastern country lost an entire route not long ago
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> didn't egypt lose internet when a cable was broken a few years back
[18:58] <diddledan> you'd be surprised what a fisherman can do when he's after a bit of soul
[18:58] <diddledan> sole?
[18:58] <daftykins> XD
[18:58] <shauno> soul.  they're pulling up the cables to download music from.
[18:59] <maps|wrk> regular being how many times a year
[18:59] <Azelphur> How to piss off your VPS provider: create a 1GB file and mount it as swap
[18:59] <daftykins> maybe he's fishing for sole whilst listening to soul.
[18:59] <maps|wrk> alkso..surely most have multiple cables
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> as long as he has a priest to administer the last rites
[18:59] <daftykins> Azelphur: y u do dis
[18:59] <Azelphur> daftykins: needed more ram to build flann
[18:59] <daftykins> :D
[18:59] <daftykins> did their IO spike?
[18:59] <daftykins> so came to you in anger?
[19:00] <Azelphur> no anger yet xD
[19:00] <daftykins> friendly queries? ;)
[19:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: you listened to that compilation cd I posted earlier?
[19:00] <Azelphur> c++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus) | Please submit a full bug report,
[19:01] <Azelphur> add this to the list of things I broke.
[19:01] <shauno> most of them we don't even hear about.  the last I heard was in july.  they're not newsworth unless they're big cables
[19:01] <maps|wrk> ah
[19:01] <diddledan> like cutting off half of asia
[19:01] <diddledan> that was fun
[19:01] <shauno> the gulf ones keep making the news because they are such a primary link between europe and asia.  almost everything goes down the red sea because either side is a tad scary
[19:01] <diddledan> :-p
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> http://thenextweb.com/asia/2014/09/17/internet-speeds-across-southeast-asia-crash-yet-another-undersea-cable-breaks/
[19:04] <shauno> so if you break the red sea, you have to go the wrong way around the planet to get to singapore/kuala lumpur/tokyo/etc.  which is bad for the people who invent fictional money by moving around fictional bits of paper
[19:04] <daftykins> :D
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> if it has to go the wrong way around the planet it'll go through america where the nsa can uh... back it up :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption#Conspiracy_theories
[19:05] <diddledan> I thought all money was fictional these days. country-level gold stockpiling is a thing of the past in favour of "my money is valuable because you want it. yours isn't because I don't"
[19:06] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: lol
[19:06] <daftykins> whoops forgot about some laundry again.
[19:06] <diddledan> I like that concept
[19:06] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah, me too
[19:06] <diddledan> daftykins: it's still sat in the machine from yesterday
[19:07] <diddledan> I really should get to that
[19:07] <daftykins> ouch!
[19:07] <daftykins> i'd just wash it again :P
[19:07] <diddledan> yeah
[19:08] <daftykins> aaaah, The Cranberries in FLAC
[19:08] <daftykins> :D
[19:17] <shauno> is anyone up to speed on what voodoo is required in the cipher suite for java6 to connect to a server that's had ssl3 turned off?
[19:18] <maps|wrk> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/28/7082697/bing-emoji-support
[19:18] <maps|wrk> my oh my
[19:20] <diddledan> shauno: that sounds painful
[19:20] <shauno> it gets worse, trust me :)
[19:20] <diddledan> shauno: if it doesn't support tls at all then you're stuffed
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> shauno: are you writing the code?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> or configuring some piece of java code?
[19:22] <shauno> more doing my homework.  we've been trying to figure out why so many clients are dropping off the radar
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10487962/java-cipher-suites/10488029#10488029
[19:23] <shauno> every single client is running on java6.  the number of clients running on customer sites runs into six digits
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> in binary or decimal? :-p
[19:23] <shauno> so what appears to be happening is that if they disconnect for any reason at all, they ain't coming back
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: if you can write a 5-line (OK, 5kb) java6 program that can connect to TLS-only servers, all is well?
[19:24] <shauno> so I'm trying to figure out if there's anything at all we can do at the server side to support the deployed codebase, without falling foul of the ssl3-banhammer
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> http://juliusdavies.ca/commons-ssl/ssl.html
[19:25] <shauno> updating the clients is the long-term solution, yeah.  a stop-gap until everyone's updated would be absolutely amazing though
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no I mean.. if you can write a simple Java client to test the situation
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: also, maybe Mozilla can help
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS
[19:28] <maps|wrk> http://lego.gizmodo.com/this-lego-bmw-isetta-is-so-damn-cute-1651396700/+megneal
[19:28] <maps|wrk> wow the bmw isetta is a weird car
[19:28] <diddledan> shauno: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26429751/java-http-clients-and-poodle
[19:28] <shauno> hm, that mozilla wiki one looks like exactly what I'm looking for!
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's the awesomest
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> we discovered it after Heartbleed. It helped a lot during Poodle
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> (also, Poodle made us send out the "Yo, IE8/9 support is going away soon-ish" email to clients.. so yay!)
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> somebody put useful information on the internet?  how was this allowed to happen?? :-)
[19:30] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I want to send that email
[19:30] <diddledan> IE10+ ONLY!
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't drop lynx support :-)
[19:31] <diddledan> I really wish clients would understand that old browser support is a happenstance at most
[19:31] <shauno> heh, I want to write the letter that goes to all the customers still running on an appliance that was EOL'd in 2005.
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> most clients don't know what an operating system is
[19:31] <shauno> along with instructions on where to send all SBCs they're running on :D
[19:32] <diddledan> if they want fancy doohickies then they sure as heck aren't going to get it supported in their corporate browsers
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: We just put it on security :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "Microsoft isn't patching those anymore, and you're working with sensitive (local government/citizen's) data. We can't guarantee security with older browsers."
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> meanwhile, our Javascript guru did a happy dance :)
[19:33] <diddledan> hehe
[19:44] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxC8kf7hvQE
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/10/28/security-checklist/
[19:52] <maps|wrk> Anyone looking to cash in on the zeitgeist by buying the domain name ebola.com has left it too late, because the domain name has sold for more than $200,000.…
[19:52] <maps|wrk> O_o
[19:52] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: yeah that has happened many times
[19:53] <diddledan> maps|wrk: was it the parent virus hoping to garner some positive mind-share?
[19:53] <diddledan> ebola: we may kill you, but it's one heck of a ride
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> ebo.la
[19:56] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:56] <diddledan> ebola.net: social networking for viruses
[19:56] <maps|wrk> http://www.cnet.com/news/20-google-glass-knockoff-does-almost-nothing-but-its-cheap/#ftag=CAD590a51e -
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> selling pc antivirus?
[19:56] <maps|wrk> look at that lol the nophone
[19:56] <maps|wrk> There's also the noPhone, a smartphone-shaped chunk of plastic that encourages you to have real interactions with people, rather than losing yourself in a screen.
[19:57] <diddledan> it looks like a tacky pice of plastic - they could have at least put some effort into making it look the part
[19:58] <maps|wrk> yea
[19:58] <maps|wrk> some of these crowd funded projects are lol
[19:58] <maps|wrk> wonder how many go ahead and if people pay up etc
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> people will buy it as a christmas pressie for people they think are glued to their phones as a hint
[19:59] <daftykins> :>
[19:59] <daftykins> i have friends like that, highly irritating
[20:00] <daftykins> people struggle to just be where they are these days
[20:00] <diddledan> you have friends that are glued to their phones, or friends who buy terrible unthinking gifts?
[20:01] <shauno> 'where I am' is usually a couch though :/
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> the best cruel gift i have heard off remains the digital watch the guys in the goon show bought for their floor manager
[20:01] <maps|wrk> g0on show?:D
[20:02] <daftykins> diddledan: :P most definitely glued to their phones. it's the types that have them out on the table top in a restaurant instead of away in a pocket too
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> in the late 50s early 60s.  the digital watch cost a fortune. you can see the model in first james bond movie
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> where you have to press  button to see the time as the batteries didn't last long
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> they gave it to a one armed man they hated
[20:02] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: android wear?
[20:03] <diddledan> don't you love that we're plugging our watches into power overnight for fear of being without the time?
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> you could look at your phone...
[20:04] <daftykins> i saw someone ask for the time beneath the town church clock tower the other day
[20:04] <daftykins> the mind boggled.
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> my eyesight can't distinguish the hands of tower clocks easily even when i'm wearing glasses
[20:05] <daftykins> you might wanna get that checked
[20:05] <daftykins> :>
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> i'm kinda hoping they did when they measured me for glasses :-)
[20:07] <daftykins> i wonder if these cheap £16 mains adapters from China can be trusted, on ebay
[20:07] <maps|wrk> for what
[20:07] <daftykins> it's for a white macbook from 2007
[20:07] <maps|wrk> 16 quid doesnt seem overly cheap unless its not
[20:07] <daftykins> my mates given me it as the unit and the battery are dead
[20:07] <maps|wrk> ah ok i thought umeant like the expansion socket ones
[20:07] <daftykins> £16 is crazy cheap for a laptop mains adapter
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> would it be worth it to borrow one to see if laptop works with it before buying one?
[20:08] <daftykins> already done sir
[20:08] <diddledan> daftykins: I bought one a while back - the magnet part of the magsafe pulled-away from the rest of the plug after a while. it happened when I was detaching it and caused lots of sparkage
[20:08] <daftykins> D:
[20:08] <daftykins> nasty
[20:08] <maps|wrk> magsafe
[20:08] <maps|wrk> ?
[20:08] <maps|wrk> never heard that word
[20:08] <daftykins> Apple magnetic connector
[20:09] <daftykins> proprietary to their laptops
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> even if it was on a deep fat fryer first
[20:09] <popey> yeah, friend of mine bought one
[20:09] <popey> didnt last
[20:09] <daftykins> hmm might be worth considering a legitimate one then
[20:09] <daftykins> £37.49 on ebay there for one that's claimed to be "genuine"
[20:09] <shauno> I love magsafe so much.  I wish they'd just give it away.  Just go "here world, this is how cables work.  make it happen!"
[20:09] <popey> heh
[20:10] <popey> i tried to fish neuro's mbp off a desk with his magsafe power cable
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> in 15 years or so it will be.  just as wireless charging catches on :-)
[20:10] <daftykins> hmm i think something bad is happening out there on the interwebs, i'm getting pretty dire connectivity across sites all of a sudden
[20:10] <shauno> Sometimes I wonder if "genuine" is actually the name of a chinese company.  So "genuine PSU" is technically true
[20:11] <maps|wrk> yea ive seen 'genuine' on ebay and shock turns out to not be quite so genuine
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> didn't japan name an area usa so it could label products 'made in usa'?
[20:11] <diddledan> shauno: apparently mcdonalds in australia buys their beef from a subsidiary called "100% australian beef"
[20:12] <maps|wrk> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:81/index.htm work?
[20:12] <shauno> reminds me of a power adaptor that was labelled "designed by california" instead of apple's tagline "designed by Apple in california"
[20:12] <maps|wrk> should be my lounge cam
[20:12] <popey> password prompt
[20:12] <daftykins> ^
[20:12] <maps|wrk> thanks
[20:12] <maps|wrk> musnt be able to access port 81 here
[20:13] <shauno> look into doing reverse-proxies in apache or nginx.  then you can point different names to different ports, all through port80.  (and then give the same IP a hundred names on your local machine)
[20:14] <shauno> only works for things that are http of course, but it's a handy way to stuff completely different services behind the same port
[20:14] <maps|wrk> ah like i do with qwebirc i think shauno? i gotr qwebirc running on localhost:9090 but i use reverse proxy in apache and access it via http://<IP_ADDRESS>/news/
[20:14] <maps|wrk> :)
[20:14] <shauno> bingo :)
[20:14] <diddledan> /news/?
[20:14] <shauno> and lol @ news
[20:15] <maps|wrk> well i figured better than /chat or /irc
[20:15] <diddledan> we're better than paid-up journos now?
[20:15] <shauno> I have a coworker that does something similar.  He uses the printer a *lot*, and never for stuff that's work-related.  But he renamed everything so "such and such report" so it all looks kosher in the logs :)
[20:15] <maps|wrk> yea exactly:)
[20:15] <maps|wrk> http://ip/news looks normal
[20:15] <daftykins> that's a seriously dick move
[20:15] <maps|wrk> also stripped away the title of qwebirc etc
[20:15] <daftykins> i don't like freeloaders
[20:15] <maps|wrk> why daftykins ?
[20:15] <maps|wrk> pfft
[20:15] <maps|wrk> companies make enougth
[20:16] <shauno> Ithink he means abusing the printer
[20:16] <daftykins> ^
[20:16] <maps|wrk> yea i thought so..but so what i dont care if people print out 10000s of pages
[20:16] <maps|wrk> why should i
[20:16] <daftykins> if everyone thought like you, companies would go under
[20:16] <diddledan> I got in trouble for abusing the printer at work. apparently they're family-friendly too
[20:16] <shauno> I'm curious to see how long the printer itself lasts.  we're meant to be a paperless office, and then they went and shoved this mammoth floor-standing ricoh thing in there
[20:17] <maps|wrk> we got a big beast xerox one ,
[20:17] <diddledan> we've got lots
[20:17] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  but they make so much money and dont pay vat ..its like nothing to big companies
[20:17] <maps|wrk> daftykins's a company man
[20:17]  * maps|wrk isnt
[20:17] <diddledan> there's almost as many printers as there are desks
[20:17] <daftykins> right but why are you being specific about the company?
[20:17] <daftykins> you can't assume the company this applies to
[20:18] <maps|wrk> well often companies make lots, if it was a 2 person company fine thats diff
[20:18] <daftykins> nevermind, i don't want to stay on this topic
[20:18] <maps|wrk> O_o
[20:19] <daftykins> really can't decide if it's worth putting money into this macbook at all
[20:19] <maps|wrk> if its just charger..yes
[20:19] <maps|wrk> ;]
[20:19] <diddledan> hand on. does the release upgrader take a btrfs snapshot before doing it's thing?!
[20:19] <daftykins> no the battery is dead too, as mentioned earlier
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> i'd bring it to apple store and see what it would cost to get it repaired properly and let that amount make the decision
[20:20] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: they're not items requiring repairs
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> then the replacement parts costs
[20:20] <diddledan> the battery costs £100 ish last I heard
[20:21] <shauno> I think it'd depend what kinda condition it's in.  the resale value on macs can be kinda surpirsing sometimes
[20:21] <shauno> you might discover it's more than worth your time to make it saleable
[20:21] <daftykins> yeah, it's an old 2007 core 2 duo one with 1.5GB RAM, stuck at OS X 10.7
[20:21] <diddledan> even so it might get up to around the 5ton mark
[20:21] <daftykins> seems a battery is £109 on the Apple site
[20:22] <daftykins> seriously? surely not
[20:22] <shauno> curious, is it a plastic one or a metal one?
[20:22] <daftykins> white plastic job
[20:22] <shauno> ah ok
[20:22] <maps|wrk> what condition is it in
[20:22] <diddledan> I think it's the newer of the white plackies tho
[20:22] <shauno> (the 2007 mbp suffers from "incredibly melty nvidia" issues, hence the Q)
[20:22] <daftykins> i don't think it had nvidia
[20:22] <daftykins> can't quite remember now
[20:22] <daftykins> and can't fire it up to see ;D
[20:23] <shauno> right.  the macbook has intel integrated, the pro has a discrete chip that likes to heat up so bad it desolders itself
[20:23] <daftykins> oic
[20:23] <daftykins> mmm i know the fault only too well
[20:23] <shauno> (source: my 2007 macbook pro   lol)
[20:23] <daftykins> same issue as the xbox360 i think
[20:24] <maps|wrk>  http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-10/27/google-exec-skydive thats sick..so high
[20:24] <shauno> the repair program for it was awesome, but still
[20:24] <daftykins> he beat Felix Baumgartner, yeah
[20:25] <shauno> (I used to literally phone galmac and tell them I needed another motherboard.  and they'd give me a slot to go get it swapped out while-you-wait for free)
[20:25] <maps|wrk> ya, crazy high tho and they say how the tech will let normal folks and tourists go up that high..i dont want to :P
[20:25] <maps|wrk> i dont think
[20:25] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[20:26] <shauno> my understanding is that apple were billing the whole adventure to nvidia, so they were handing out replacements like candy
[20:26] <diddledan> maps|wrk: the problem with goign that high is you've got to come back down
[20:26] <daftykins> i may well go have a word in the Apple reseller shop around the corner from me
[20:26] <daftykins> £90 battery seems likely though
[20:27] <daftykins> but it makes the machine useable just to have the mains adapter
[20:27] <maps|wrk> id be scared on the way up:D
[20:30] <daftykins> lol @ these reviews saying Apple are getting worse because they're "cutting CD drives" from systems
[20:31] <shauno> heh.  they'll get over it.  they said the same thing when the imac came without a floppy drive
[20:31] <daftykins> =]
[20:33] <daftykins> this always makes me laugh
[20:33] <daftykins> someone's signed me up to their email again
[20:33] <daftykins> "PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AS THE MAILBOX IS UNATTENDED."
[20:33] <daftykins> "If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately"
[20:33] <daftykins> err...
[20:34] <shauno> I finally got rid of the guy that kept using mine :)
[20:35] <daftykins> \o/
[20:35] <daftykins> i'm going to grab my headphones and skype call this line, to ask them to remove my email
[20:35] <daftykins> last time someone just blankly said "er i don't think we can do that"
[20:35] <shauno> I tried to explain to him that the address he kept using was mine, and he said he wasn't using it
[20:35] <daftykins> oooh that's what i get too
[20:35] <daftykins> so he refused to own up?
[20:35] <shauno> so I let myself into his vodafone account and continued the conversation over webtext.
[20:36] <maps|wrk> lol how did you contact him
[20:36] <shauno> my replying to things where whole groups of people were copied :)
[20:36] <shauno> *by
[20:36] <daftykins> eh? groups of people?
[20:37] <diddledan> daftykins: "friends"
[20:37] <shauno> yeah.  whole conversations arranging things.
[20:37] <daftykins> aaah
[20:37] <maps|wrk> ah and someone was emaolimng yours thinking it was his friends?
[20:37] <maps|wrk> *emailing
[20:37] <shauno> "sorry, I won't be there sunday because I'm not kieron"
[20:37] <diddledan> daftykins: it's a strange concept to me, too
[20:38] <daftykins> lol no i was just wondering how an account could possibly provide access to a phone user's contacts
[20:38] <daftykins> or messages
[20:38] <shauno> my biggest questions is how kieron was 'accidentally' using firstname.lastname@gmail when we don't have the same firstname
[20:38] <daftykins> O_O
[20:38] <diddledan> shauno: how does kieron accidentally use so**l
[20:39] <diddledan> aah . - gmail ignores dotty names
[20:39] <shauno> its my whole name though, not initials
[20:40] <diddledan> it still doesn't work tho, firstname lastname just cannot match
[20:40] <shauno> right
[20:40] <diddledan> perhaps he was a retard?
[20:40] <shauno> anyway, that's how you get rid of people - password reset used in anger
[20:40] <diddledan> hehe
[20:40] <daftykins> this lot seem to keep using d<surname>##@gmail
[20:40] <diddledan> that sounds fun
[20:41] <daftykins> and neglect to type in the ## number they've appended to mine
[20:41] <daftykins> so i just end up getting their junk instead
[20:41] <shauno> the bit I really don't like though.  is when you get people innocently reaching 'the wrong shaun'
[20:42] <shauno> and you're so used to spam that you end up going over it with a fine toothcomb before replying to let them know
[20:42] <shauno> I think that's kinda sad.  "sorry, wrong number" gets lost in a huge pile of distrust
[20:42] <daftykins> somehow they can't get the right details of their friends XD
[20:43] <shauno> I think my name's just a pain in the anatomy.  there's at least 3 spellings of my surname, at least four of my firstname, etc
[20:44] <diddledan> maybe we should start requiring ICQ-style numbered accounts instead of "nickname"?
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> throw in a ' for the irish names and sql loves you too :-)
[20:44] <shauno> that I'm fine with.  keiren just bugged me because he was getting his *own name* wrong
[20:44] <shauno> zmoylan-pi: hah, my work address has an apostrophe
[20:44] <diddledan> shauno: your work address doesn't exist anyway
[20:45] <shauno> not out of choice, I never write it with the apostrophe.  but it is rfc-valid!
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> the number of american companies who's solution to customers in ireland is to have their clients names spelled wrong remains high :-)
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> just put it down as obrien!
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> they won't be insulted at all
[20:46] <shauno> obrien would be awesome.
[20:55] <daftykins> after a second she goes "...what?"
[20:55]  * zmoylan-pi hands daftykins my whistle
[20:57] <daftykins> finally someone that finished school
[21:00] <shauno> daftykins: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/colleen-brennan/5/a61/a1b
[21:00] <shauno> I love the internet, it scares me
[21:01] <daftykins> lol
[21:01] <shauno> (the 'compliance officer' hat should cover 'not sending patient data to random foreigners, I believe)
[21:02] <daftykins> ok this one *claimed* they're going to sort it out
[21:02] <daftykins> after taking the name of the person (another "D <surname>" except female too, no less!
[21:03] <shauno> I can't believe Aftykins is that common a surname!
[21:03] <daftykins> XD
[21:04] <daftykins> honestly that first one was a complete numpty, i guess dealing with customers grates so much you stop listening
[21:04] <daftykins> gave me a phone # then i said "i called that one just now"
[21:04] <daftykins> "ok thank you for calling bai!"
[21:05] <shauno> hopefuly you didn't just pay for that adventure
[21:06] <daftykins> well it was 1-877, i used skype
[21:06] <diddledan> skype is awesome for foreign freefone numbers
[21:06] <shauno> completely unrelated: why are we all here and it's not 3am?
[21:07] <shauno> I feel like we've stolen someone else's shift
[21:07] <diddledan> shauno: that reminds me. I need pizza
[21:07] <daftykins> you guys didn't get the memo about "when shall we three meet again" :(
[21:07] <shauno> I believe dan ate it
[21:07] <diddledan> I did, but shauno had the eye at the time
[21:07] <shauno> see, now I feel better about blaming you.
[21:07] <daftykins> :D
[21:08] <daftykins> it's baseball night tonight
[21:08] <diddledan> o_O
[21:08] <shauno> noo, it's sleep night tonight
[21:08] <daftykins> game 6 of the world series!
[21:08] <shauno> which countries are playing?
[21:08] <diddledan> baseball? when did you become american?
[21:08] <daftykins> the US and the US!
[21:08] <daftykins> you know how it is, the rest of the world doesn't get invited
[21:09] <diddledan> that's because we'd win
[21:09] <daftykins> well i suddenly got into it
[21:09] <daftykins> i've been to a real game in San Francisco too
[21:09] <shauno> I played rounders once.  I still can't tell the difference
[21:09] <diddledan> shauno: ditto
[21:09] <daftykins> :D
[21:10] <daftykins> or softball!
[21:10] <diddledan> whatever, it still ain't cricket
[21:10] <shauno> it's like .. if you hold the bat with one hand, it's rounders, if you use two hands, it's baseball
[21:12] <diddledan> I don't get what the problem is when "all the bases are loaded" - surely when the next guy comes up the other three move-on a base until someone realises and tries to stump them out
[21:13] <daftykins> yep
[21:13] <daftykins> no it's a good thing for the team that's batting
[21:13] <daftykins> it puts pressure on the fielding team though
[21:13] <diddledan> really?
[21:14] <daftykins> the guy that catches the ball just behind the batter, his job is to send little hand signals to the pitcher, telling him if he should spin around and throw the ball to a base instead of pitching, to try and catch someone off their base
[21:14] <diddledan> you don't get so many goals when a guy runs one base to home than running all 3, though?
[21:14] <daftykins> it's the same value, one run earnt for a home-run versus making it around slowly
[21:14] <shauno> lol @ goals
[21:15] <daftykins> although if someone hit a home-run when there's someone else on a base, they could complete their run without fear of the ball being used to tag them out too
[21:17] <daftykins> don't know if diddledan is trolling me or not :(
[21:17] <diddledan> no I really am a mormonomnomnom
[21:18] <daftykins> a mormon 0o
[21:18] <shauno> I can't tell either.  I would have expected him to be legitimately clueless about all forms of sportsball.  but I've never heard the phrase "all the bases are loaded"
[21:18] <diddledan> yeah, someone who isn't clever
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> if you hold the bat with 2 hands, it's a punishment beating, this is ireland :-p
[21:18] <shauno> I thought all the bases were belong to.  so he knows .... something.  and that's disconcerting
[21:18] <daftykins> shauno: ah, then i shall link you gentlemen tonight! :D
[21:19] <daftykins> then you can stay up 'til at least 4am with me, watching!
[21:19] <diddledan> shauno: movies teach me stuff
[21:19] <daftykins> can someone do me a favour? this video isn't buffering in any kind of sane time, is it just me? http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/63106348/v36868661/ws2014-gm6-ventura-discusses-taveras-passing
[21:20] <diddledan> works fine here
[21:20] <shauno> I also have 'just buffering'.  and a very awkward keyframe.
[21:21] <diddledan> it's a bloke talking foreign
[21:21] <shauno> oh, tell a lie.  the play button worked  lol
[21:21] <diddledan> and a guy sat next to him pretending he understands
[21:21] <shauno> I thought the spinny circle thing meant "I'm doing something, hold up"
[21:22] <daftykins> it's taken the last 5-10 mins to buffer 30 seconds worth
[21:22] <daftykins> shauno: i did too initially :(
[21:22] <diddledan> daftykins: try respawning
[21:22] <daftykins> but i might appear at the start of the level?
[21:22] <diddledan> it depends whether you reached a savepoint or not yet
[21:22] <daftykins> oh damn, yeah weirdly that sorted itself out
[21:23] <daftykins> whole site has been slow all day
[21:23] <shauno> it's slowly dawning on me that you're not just trying to be funny.  you really do follow this stuff
[21:24] <daftykins> i have, only for the last few weeks though
[21:24] <daftykins> this team here, the Kansas City Royals, they've made it to this 'final' for the first time in 30 years
[21:24] <daftykins> so it's a big deal for the locals ;)
[21:24] <shauno> I suspect you may have overdosed on TV when you were less-mobile, and this is a side-effect
[21:24] <daftykins> lol
[21:25] <daftykins> i have to use low quality shifty feeds to watch the game
[21:25] <daftykins> despite using adblocking softwares, they block out the picture with an advert pane all the time
[21:25] <daftykins> sooo frustrating
[21:26] <shauno> adblockers are so trivial to break, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often
[21:26] <shauno> just giving the div a randomised id will break most
[21:26] <daftykins> http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/63106348/v36869443/live-world-series-game-6-pregame-pressers
[21:26] <daftykins> this live one just does not have a chance of working here
[21:27] <daftykins> keeps stopping, starting, skipping
[21:27] <daftykins> wow i got 3 seconds just then!
[21:27] <diddledan> comcast want me to not subscribe to directv
[21:27] <diddledan> ok then. I won't
[21:27] <daftykins> :D
[21:27] <shauno> yeah, I'm getting that too.  i ... f ... yu ... ss ... ign ... uu .... p for ...
[21:27] <daftykins> hmm i don't even get ads!
[21:27] <daftykins> ;D
[21:28] <shauno> perhaps the internet is trying to send you a message?
[21:29] <daftykins> "america can't do video streaming" yep
[21:29] <daftykins> just like with Apple's last WWDC :)
[21:29] <diddledan> it's all silverlight
[21:29] <diddledan> yeah, apple's wwdc was a farce
[21:29] <shauno> wwdc was fine?
[21:30] <diddledan> really?
[21:30] <daftykins> naaah the livestream was totally busted for everyone
[21:30] <daftykins> or kept switching to having a chinese dub over the top
[21:30] <shauno> ah
[21:30] <shauno> sorry, I thought you meant wwdc :)
[21:30] <daftykins> yeah, pretty sure that was the event
[21:30] <daftykins> back in July or some such
[21:31] <shauno> wwdc was june, the "sept 9th event" was just a PRnote
[21:31] <diddledan> I first had to convince it not to show me some random testcard with the "TV truck schedule" and then I had foreign dub as daftykins suggests
[21:31] <shauno> the one where they announced ios8 was wwdc.  the one where they announced the iphone6 was just PR
[21:32] <daftykins> yeah it was the first announcement of Yosemite and iOS 8 WWDC
[21:32] <daftykins> no wait.
[21:32] <daftykins> ok yeah i'm confused now
[21:32] <shauno> this?  http://simonfredsted.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-10-at-23.59.34.png
[21:33] <diddledan> yeah, that
[21:33] <daftykins> main point of baseball though
[21:33] <daftykins> beer and hot dogs!
[21:33] <diddledan> I have no idea when it was.. no clue about either the date or time
[21:34] <shauno> I know what you mean, I just try not to confuse the different events because I tend to record wwdc in it's entirety (the whole week's worth!)
[21:34] <diddledan> it would help if they had some kind of schedule
[21:35] <daftykins> i think shauno might be right, it could well be the iPhone 6 event that failed big time
[21:35] <daftykins> hang on let me query the masses that were shocked at the poor video along with i
[21:35] <shauno> they did.  and they kept showing it to people who were trying to watch the keynote :)
[21:37] <diddledan> I think they might have outsourced the tv truck though and it was that which was doing the failwhale
[21:37] <shauno> I think it was ninjas
[21:37] <daftykins> ^
[21:37] <shauno> I have logics too.  they almost always hold events in the moscone center.
[21:37] <daftykins> with pirate parrots on their shoulders
[21:38] <shauno> I think the moscone center hired ninjas to mess up the one they did from a different center
[21:38] <daftykins> for my next trick i will see if i can get some of the other games i missed
[21:38] <daftykins> i didn't stay up every night :(
[21:39] <daftykins> they were playing in San Francisco last, which makes it worse of course
[21:39] <shauno> timezones?
[21:39] <daftykins> yeah
[21:40] <daftykins> Kansas City is tonights, so at least it goes to central time
[21:40] <shauno> who knew watching sportsball was so complicated!
[21:40] <daftykins> ikr!
[21:40] <daftykins> plus it gets rained off sometimes too
[21:40] <daftykins> D:!
[21:41] <shauno> I thought they just yell at the TV whenever there's not beer in their faces  :/
[21:41] <daftykins> yep you were right, iPhone 6 event was what was failing
[21:42] <shauno> :)
[21:42] <shauno> it's easy to remember.  the dev conf. doesn't get simulcast in chinese
[21:43] <shauno> you don't need to tell chinese developers about your next release, they already have the source.
[21:43] <shauno> but telling all those billions that to buy .. that's worth an extra audio track
[21:43] <daftykins> XD
[21:48] <daftykins> i think my kitty just ate something that was flying around
[21:48] <daftykins> excellent, she's finally pulling her weight :)
[21:49] <diddledan> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.VFAPSZOsUac
[21:50] <shauno> oooh
[21:51] <shauno> I like that their animation has all the same blinking lights they put on planes
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> but did she eat all of it or leave a present somewhere for you to step on...
[21:53] <diddledan> beautiful sunset
[21:53] <daftykins> this video is dropping immensely too
[21:53] <daftykins> seriously what is with my tubes today O_O
[21:54] <diddledan> daftykins: france are annexing the islands
[21:54] <diddledan> :-p
[21:54] <daftykins> D:
[21:54] <daftykins> sacre bleu
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> the cuisine will improve? :-)
[21:54] <daftykins> we have enough already
[21:54] <shauno> hm, this one's fine here
[21:55] <diddledan> fine here too
[21:55] <diddledan> I think daftykins just can't hop the pond
[21:55] <daftykins> ^
[21:55] <diddledan> which telco are you with?
[21:55] <diddledan> maybe they're broken
[21:55] <daftykins> Sure Guernsey :)
[21:56] <shauno> heh, that sounds quite .. irish.  "sure itsinternets.  it'll be grand!"
[21:56] <diddledan> lol
[21:56] <diddledan> I read that in irish accent too
[21:56] <daftykins> to be Sure, to be Sure
[21:57] <shauno> I was going to say "if I ever start an ISP ...".  but lets be realistic.  if I ever try to start an ISP, shoot me
[21:57] <daftykins> roger that
[21:58] <shauno> weird question; do the islands 'do' guns?
[21:58] <daftykins> one of my pals from Boston says he's managed to find laws on what i can do, that i didn't know about
[21:59] <shauno> I'm just always curious about how british they are, and how british they aren't
[22:00] <daftykins> well we do have our own government :)
[22:00] <daftykins> the fact i didn't die is probably a good testament to our healthcare system too
[22:00] <daftykins> which is non-NHS
[22:00] <diddledan> one of the islands is still feudal
[22:00] <daftykins> indeed!
[22:00] <diddledan> sark?
[22:00] <daftykins> good ol' Sark
[22:07] <shauno> that kinda looks like a concrete heatsink.  weird.
[22:07] <daftykins> eh?
[22:08] <shauno> they keep showing the rocket's bottom
[22:08] <daftykins> oic
[22:08] <shauno> and the thing it's sat on
[22:09] <daftykins> 2hrs 'til the game is on!
[22:09] <daftykins> D:
[22:09] <shauno> ?!
[22:09] <shauno> you said until 4am?
[22:09] <daftykins> possibly
[22:10] <shauno> and it starts at midnight ..
[22:10] <daftykins> they can run on you see, they refuse to allow draws
[22:10] <daftykins> a standard game has 9 innings, but if they're drawing it'll go on until someone is ahead
[22:10] <shauno> and an inning is what, an hour?!
[22:10] <daftykins> lol
[22:10] <daftykins> http://www.stream2watch.me/baseball
[22:11] <daftykins> \o/
[22:11] <daftykins> shame my poor little ion1 HTPC can't play the flash player of the stream full screen
[22:11] <shauno> I'm sorry Dave.  I can't do that.
[22:11] <daftykins> you know what's good about that, i am Dave too
[22:11] <daftykins> !
[22:11] <shauno> hah
[22:12] <shauno> that works
[22:12] <shauno> so what you need is for someone to figure out where the mp4 stream lives.
[22:13] <shauno> (I assume their ipad app isn't flash-backed ..)
[22:14] <daftykins> haha
[22:14] <daftykins> hang on, this stream2watch thing has an app?
[22:15] <shauno> I know MLB do
[22:15] <daftykins> yeah, their ones are pay for annoyingly
[22:15] <shauno> they're even on the appletv
[22:15] <shauno> ahh
[22:15] <daftykins> $25 to watch these games, and since there's one or two left
[22:15] <shauno> gotcha
[22:15] <shauno> I think that's why there's not many sportsballs on my TV either
[22:16] <daftykins> :D
[22:17] <shauno> that said, I don't have movie channels either.  In a slip of stupidity, I was bluntly honest on the phone
[22:17] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:17] <daftykins> i don't even use a broadcast TV medium.
[22:17] <daftykins> right i'm heading off toward the lounge, ttfn sirs!
[22:18] <shauno> when I ordered 120meg cable, they tried to sell me the movies package.  and I flat-out told them that with 120meg, I don't need movie channels
[22:18] <daftykins> i shall no doubt be on here watching the game :>
[22:18] <daftykins> LOL
[22:18] <shauno> one of those moments where your brain is sitting there going "mouth?   hello?  mouth?  what are you .."
[22:20] <daftykins> "because i er, use legit streaming services *cough* "
[22:22] <diddledan> 30 sec
[22:22] <shauno> did it just get dark there really, really quickly?
[22:23] <diddledan> wow that's a big flame
[22:23] <shauno> oh
[22:23] <shauno> oops
[22:23] <diddledan> erm
[22:23] <shauno> I believe they call that a "plot twist"
[22:23] <diddledan> sorry, but I really need to swear
[22:25] <diddledan> I look away for a moment and it's exploding when I look back
[22:25] <diddledan> I didn't even see how high it got
[22:25] <diddledan> looks like the launch pad is on fire
[22:26] <shauno> it seemed to get like .. almost twice it's own height
[22:27] <diddledan> there's something on rire to the far left of the picture
[22:27] <diddledan> fire*
[22:27] <shauno> then it seemed to pretty much hover.  and then got all spicey-like
[22:27] <shauno> yeah.  it's really not designed as a landing pad
[22:28] <shauno> ... and the rocket really isn't designed to land
[22:28] <shauno> this is gonna sound horrible.  but thanks for the link.  I've never seen that before
[22:29] <diddledan> scrub the data?
[22:29] <diddledan> wtf?
[22:29] <shauno> I was thinking that
[22:29] <diddledan> is there something we should know about?
[22:30] <diddledan> I'm wondering if there was something in the payload in addition to the resupply module
[22:31] <shauno> https://blogs.nasa.gov/orbital/2014/10/28/crs-3s-cargo/
[22:34] <diddledan> the lighthouse across the other side of the bay shows up well
[22:34] <shauno> when he says it won't affect the Progress launch.  I assume that's being launched somewhere else?
[22:35] <shauno> because you're right.  to my completely uneducated eye, that place looks messed up
[23:32] <diddledan> http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/alienware-to-launch-external-graphics-adapter-for-laptops/
[23:33] <shauno> "launch"  .. hehe


[12:31] <dholbach> hiya
[12:31] <dholbach> I just wanted to quickly thank everyone who helped out with https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/ so far!
[12:32] <dholbach> it's clear that it's probably harder to translate than other pieces of documentation, but it's much much appreciated


[01:13] <d34df00d> Hi!
[01:13] <d34df00d> I've just updated a new version of po, selecting a new import, for Rosetta.
[01:13] <d34df00d> I'm the owner of the translations, and Launchpad says I have full access.
[01:14] <d34df00d> Why do my changes are marked as suggestions and therefore the corresponding strings are considered to be untranslated?
[01:20] <d34df00d> And, how one can delete a duplicate translation template?
[04:19] <alpharesearch> hello, is there a guide that tells me how to use my PPA for lucid and maverick... right now I did an upload for lucid and than I change the debian/changelog but this didn't work...
[04:19] <alpharesearch> I got a rejection email that the debian.tar.gz already exists
[04:26] <micahg> alpharesearch: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[04:32] <alpharesearch> micahg: dput ppa:your-lp-id/ppa <source.changes> that is what I did... I tried -f but this didn't help
[04:32] <wgrant> alpharesearch: You can't upload the same version twie.
[04:32] <wgrant> +c
[04:32] <wgrant> You need to change the version string (eg. append ~lucid1, ~maverick1, etc.)
[04:35] <alpharesearch> in the changelog file I guess?
[04:38] <alpharesearch> wgrant: thank you...
[05:28] <MTecknology> So.. is it bad at all if I have a user account in Launchpad that's only there as basically an ssh keyring for logging into launchpad from many users on many servers?
[05:42] <thumper> MTecknology: heh, probably
[05:43] <MTecknology> thumper: Any suggestions? I like the fact that each system is using different keys, each development project in progress gets a key, then removed when not used
[05:44] <thumper> MTecknology: in reality it will work
[05:44] <thumper> MTecknology: but not considered best practice from our point of view
[05:45] <MTecknology> thumper: what would be better?
[05:45] <MTecknology> thumper: just have some developer keys that can get dropped in .ssh ?
[05:46] <thumper> MTecknology: I don't know how you have your users set up, or your projects working
[05:49] <spiv> It's pretty unusual to want anything other than "one LP account per actual human being".  (There are reasonable cases of not one-to-one correspondence, like automated branch gatekeeper accounts like ~bzr-pqm, but it's not the common case.)
[05:50] <spiv> If you want access control, then I'd recommend using teams rather than fake people with lots of SSH keys.
[05:51]  * spiv really goes to lunch this time
[05:51] <spm> MTecknology: the problem you create by many:1, is that any of the many can 'break' things, and you have no recourse to discovering who did it. I simplify to the dramatic case.
[05:52] <spm> it's not just a 'bad in launchpad' thing; it's pretty much a bad in everything thing.
[05:54] <MTecknology> spm: For projects, we make a user account on the system, drop project data in there, setup a shared key for that user in LP so it can grab som private branches, then we use authorized_keys for who can ssh in as that user
[05:57] <MTecknology> spm: I'll try to start thinking of better ways to manage it
[05:57] <spm> Ahh. That's a subtly different case from your earlier description. It's not ideal; but it's feasible.
[05:59] <MTecknology> spm: I'm bad at explaining things :P
[05:59] <spm> :-)
[06:00] <spm> so what you're describing is more in line with the gatekeeper that spiv mentions. it does weaken the trust model, but often the tradeoff is worth it. just beware of what you lose by doing this.
[06:01] <MTecknology> alrighty, thanks :)
[06:53] <mtaylor> spm: ola amigo!
[06:53] <spm> mtaylor: hola!
[06:53] <mtaylor> spm: how's the land of oz?
[06:53] <spm> hmm. only perfect today. bit of a let down tbh.
[06:54] <mtaylor> I hear that. sucks to be surrounded by such wonder all the time
[06:54] <mtaylor> spm: so ... I have come by to poke you in the eye about the ~swift mailing list of death
[06:55] <spm> truly. :-) (fwiw, the reference was an older slogan my home state had: Queensland: Beautiful one Day, Perfect the next)
[06:55] <spm> yah. that's giving me a real headache that one.
[06:55]  * wgrant doesn't remember that one. It must be old.
[06:55] <mtaylor> that's a good slogan
[06:55] <mtaylor> now quite as good as "what happens in vegas, stays in vegas" ... but good nonetheless
[06:56]  * spm pokes wgrant with the bluntish end of a stick, or walking frame...
[06:59] <spm> mtaylor: so, I believe! the last thing to try is bouncing mailman itself. for fairly obvious reasons, not something I want to just do for the heck of it.
[06:59] <mtaylor> indeed
[06:59] <spm> supposedly a rollout is scheduled for later this week - so was hoping to progress then; failing that, I know barry is somewhat available again from todayish; and was hoping to grab him at some point
[07:00] <mtaylor> cool. well, good luck! it certainly seems like a nice weird state we got that bad boy in
[07:01] <spm> seeing as the whole mailman/launchpad thing is largely his baby. I'm confidant he'll have some ideas on how to extricate us.
[07:01] <spm> yeah. bit of a bugger.
[07:01] <spm> So it looks like no progress, largly because there hasn't been :-/ but surely has not been forgotten
[07:03] <mtaylor> hehehe
[08:48] <fta2> what's going on with the builders??
[09:41] <geser> could someone please kick the build dispatcher? It looks like it doesn't dispatch anymore since around 12 hours
[09:48]  * bigjools looking
[09:50] <bigjools> geser: what makes you say that then?
[09:52] <geser> bigjools: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ shows many empty buildds (while there are jobs in the queue if the page doesn't lie) and the buildd history for the idle buildds show the last job for around 12 hours ago (https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/palmer/+history, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/vernadsky/+history, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/yellow/+history)
[09:52] <bigjools> ok
[09:53] <bigjools> they are not in the pool right now
[09:54] <geser> why does the builders page list them then? (Or am I misunderstanding something?)
[09:55] <bigjools> oops sorry they are, I was looking at a different builder, my bad
[10:15] <bigjools> geser: ok we're bringing them back up now.  It's probably bug 463046 if you're interested.
[10:16] <bigjools> wgrant: are you really working on that? :)
[12:14] <Daviey> Hi, using the API - is there a way of getting a list of user/team PPA's; without manually handling the JSON?
[12:14] <bigjools> Daviey: are you not using launchpadlib?
[12:15] <Daviey> bigjools: Oh yes!  But I can't see how to handle ppas_collection_link
[12:15] <wgrant> Just use .ppas
[12:15] <bigjools> don't use that
[12:15] <bigjools> wot wgrant said
[12:16] <wgrant> launchpadlib applies magic to turn it into a less useless attribute.
[12:16] <wgrant> blah_link -> blah
[12:16] <wgrant> blahs_collection_link -> blahs
[12:16] <Daviey> Ahh!  Didn't realise that.. or see it in the docs..   thanks!
[12:16] <wgrant> Yeah, +apidoc doesn't document launchpadlib's magic, since it doesn't know about launchpadlib.
[12:17] <wgrant> It probably should.
[12:19] <Daviey> Awesome, thanks..
[12:19] <Daviey> One more API question, is there a way of viewing ubuntu archive uploads by person?
[12:19] <bigjools> what do you mean by upload?
[12:20] <bigjools> as in - what API object are you expecting
[12:21] <Daviey> Essentially, access to https://edge.launchpad.net/~PERSON/+related-software
[12:22] <Daviey> Ie, for a given person, return the uploaded packages
[12:30] <Daviey> I could do getPublishedSources(created_since_date), then determine the uploader - but i hoped there would be a by_person parameter.
[13:27] <bigjools> Daviey: I don't think there's anything exported to do that yet
[13:27] <bigjools> feel free to contribute :)
[13:28] <Daviey> bigjools, Adding to my todo.. :)
[14:17]  * flacoste is back.
[15:14] <serg> hi here. I've a question about bug interface. say, a bug affects a project and is targeted to a release. Like in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/98275 - how to make these " Status tracked in" to appear ? All I get is two rows with two independently changeable statuses
[19:07] <mtaylor> any losa around?
[19:09] <mtaylor> I have a public project (that has some other issues anyway) but which is requiring that people be logged in to launchpad to view ... launchpad.net/swift
[19:09] <mtaylor> if there's anyone awake who can look at that, it would be really stellar
[20:41] <bac> hi mtaylor
[20:42] <mtaylor> hi bac !
[20:42] <bac> mtaylor: on staging could you change driver and maintainer to be you, not the teams: https://staging.launchpad.net/swift
[20:42] <bac> i'm confused as to what is causing the login.  it is usually the attempt to display private stuff.
[20:43] <bac> but, given the state of swift-core it could be triggering it
[20:43] <mtaylor> bac: is swift-core private? I thought we'd finally killed all of the private things
[20:43] <bac> mtaylor: no it isn't but i thought it retained some oddness
[20:44] <bac> mtaylor: it's the only thing i know to try at the moment
[20:44] <mtaylor> well, the ~swift team retained oddness re: mailing list
[20:44] <mtaylor> bac: I'll try right now
[20:44] <bac> thx
[20:45] <mtaylor> got a timeout error :)
[20:45] <mtaylor> but now is done
[20:46] <bac> ok, that's not it.  :(
[20:48] <mtaylor> darn
[20:48] <mtaylor> bac: so we seem to have been helpful in pointing out some places where taking private things public are painful :)
[21:49] <tommie-lie> I hope this is the right place to ask for "correct behavior" before reporting bugs
[21:50] <tommie-lie> I reported a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/610567, added a patch, marked it as fix released and assigned the bug to myself, however, the bug does not appear neither in the project's list of bugs, nor in my personal list of bugs
[21:50] <tommie-lie> and obviously even the bot can find it
[21:51] <tommie-lie> is this normal, did I do something wrong, or should I file a bug against launchpad?
[21:52] <geser> bugs in state "Fix released" aren't shown by default, you have to use the advanced search to find them
[21:53] <tommie-lie> ah
[21:53] <tommie-lie> thanks
[21:53] <hexmode> do daily builds not really work?
[21:53] <hexmode> also, estimated build times for receipes seem more like wild guesses
[21:55] <tommie-lie> geser: then I have to hope that the project owner reads his launchpad mails in order to see my report, right?
[21:58] <geser> why did you mark it as "Fix released"? "Fix released" is to be used when the fix is released e.g. part of the next upstream version
[21:58] <tommie-lie> err
[21:58] <tommie-lie> hm
[21:58] <tommie-lie> good question
[21:59] <tommie-lie> I meant something like "fix committed", but then again this is not quite right either
[22:00] <geser> let it at "New" and let the project owner update it
[22:01] <geser> e.g. when they included your patch
[22:03] <tommie-lie> I just set it to "In Progress" as I have "taken responsibility to fix the bug" and have "begun work"
[22:03] <geser> ok
[23:07] <michaelh1> Morning.  How can I find out the corresponding anonymous URL for a bzr lp:project URL?
[23:08] <michaelh1> I want to use buildbot to access a LP based project, but it insists on using bzr+ssh with no credentials
[23:08] <poolie> michaelh1, you can look at the web page, or if you have the ssh url just change the scheme
[23:08] <poolie> it's always the same path
[23:08] <lifeless> bzr info -v lp:project
[23:08] <poolie> hi lifeless, michaelh1
[23:09] <lifeless> hi poolie
[23:09] <michaelh1> Ah! there's the magic: I was trying http://bazaar.launchpad.net/linaro-gcc, but it's actually .../~linaro-toolchain-dev/gcc-linaro
[23:09] <michaelh1> Ta.
[23:10] <geser> can someone check why the PPA buildds are idling with jobs in the queue?
[23:10] <mtaylor> hey lifeless
[23:11] <wgrant> I was about to ask about that.
[23:11] <wgrant> I think there's another broken build happening.
[23:11] <lifeless> isn't this just the secheduler bug ?
[23:11] <wgrant> It's redispatching frequently.
[23:12] <wgrant> lifeless: Want to look at the buildd-manager log?
[23:12] <wgrant> Or is that LOSAy?
[23:13] <lifeless> losay AIUI
[23:13] <geser> and do we currently have that many private builds in the official queue? I see them half the day "building private source" only
[23:13] <lifeless> wgrant: also, just finished schipol -> shanghai -> akl -> chc
[23:13] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm in /no/ state to be touching anything production
[23:13] <wgrant> lifeless: Haha, forgot that bit.
[23:15] <wgrant> LOSA ping...
[23:16] <geser> and btw: is the computation of the queue length on i386 broken? I can't believe that 3 i386 builds need only 2 min for 32 jobs
[23:16] <wgrant> geser: Those are probably translations jobs.
[23:16] <wgrant> Which have a, er, bad duration calculation.
[23:18] <poolie> hi wgrant
[23:18] <wgrant> Morning poolie.
[23:19] <michaelh1> What's a good way to cache bzr data coming from launchpad?
[23:20] <michaelh1> I want to download the same 500 MB tree to many machines many times
[23:20] <michaelh1> (All read only at least)
[23:22] <micahg> michaelh1: branch once and scp?
[23:22] <michaelh1> micahg: I want to pull down the changes as they occur as well
[23:23] <lifeless> michaelh1: setup a bzr repository in a common root directory on each machine
[23:24] <lifeless> michaelh1: if you have the machines all local here, do that, and then also push the trunk to each machine once, to see the repos
[23:25] <michaelh1> OK.  Then pull changes from LP into the repository, and the slaves will pull that down?
[23:26] <lifeless> yes
[23:27] <michaelh1> What verbs does bzr use in read-only HTTP mode?  Can I put a HTTP proxy in the way?
[23:27] <lifeless> bzr cache busts
[23:27] <poolie> so yes, you can
[23:27] <poolie> only get and head
[23:27] <lifeless> and post
[23:28] <lifeless> you need to ensure post gets a sane error if you deny it
[23:28] <lifeless> but
[23:29] <lifeless> http non-smart mode is much much much slower than authenticated bzr+ssh mode - use that if you can. _really_.
[23:29] <lifeless> you can create an account for your machines and give them that accounts ssh key
[23:29] <michaelh1> I'm having trouble getting the SSH key to propagate into buildbot - not sure why
[23:30] <michaelh1> Does bzr fork out to SSH or use a Python implementation?
[23:31] <poolie> on unix by default forks
[23:32] <poolie> check the .ssh permissions?
[23:33] <lifeless> michaelh1: you might consider hudson instead - many teams at canonical are migrating/using it
[23:33] <michaelh1> I think that buildbot cleans the environment in some way and looses the connection to the ssh-agent
[23:34] <michaelh1> Right, will go have a play...


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