[00:27] <ChrisWoollard> g'night
[02:02] <flan> I'll try to be available, ubuntujenkins, but I'll be at work and will therefore be a little limited in what I can do.
[02:02] <flan> (I have some VMs, but also a lot of tasks)
[07:56] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[08:17] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully i will fix this pacthing error with the texlive-bin packages
[12:45] <ubuntujenkins> pleia2: with the docs/manual/learning meeting do we want to open a new doodle poll?
[12:55] <ubuntujenkins> hey humphreybc whats the "mini" version of you?
[13:01] <humphreybc> my new netbook :P
[13:03] <humphreybc-mini> isn't it exciting?
[13:05] <ubuntujenkins> well it may be exciting for you but I don't have a netbook :)
[13:12] <nisshh> humphreybc-mini: you lucky bugger, i, like ubuntujenkins, dont have one either
[13:12] <ubuntujenkins> ?ppa > ubuntujenkins
[13:12] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins, please see my private message
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> just found I too suffer from this bug
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/480929
[13:13] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 480929 in linux "[9.10]Audio hiss coming from netbook speakers when using headphones" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> i'm trying the last fix in the comments, have to reboot
[13:13] <nisshh> humphreybc-mini: what netbook is it?
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> dell mini 9
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> brb in like 20 seconds :P
[13:13] <humphreybc-mini> it has an SSD
[13:13] <nisshh> :O
[13:14] <thorwil> humphreybc-mini: : i updated the title page templates for e2 with the new orange and CoF geometry, including the wave pattern a while ago. next step would be having the "Second Edition" string translated
[13:14] <nisshh> thorwil: he will be back in a minute
[13:14] <nisshh> had to reboot
[13:14] <thorwil> arg, yeah, that happens when you type and not read along
[13:15] <nisshh> hehe
[13:15] <humphreybc-mini> hmm
[13:15] <humphreybc-mini> that didnt fix it
[13:16] <thorwil> humphreybc-mini: : i updated the title page templates for e2 with the new orange and CoF geometry, including the wave pattern a while ago. next step would be having the "Second Edition" string translated
[13:16] <humphreybc-mini> thorwil: great :)
[13:18] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[13:36] <thorwil> i used to be happy with 13G for each of my 2 system partitions, but collecting more and more stuff in /usr/src and all the tex business ruined that :)
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> yep same for me, / is now 28gb to same me having to change it again
[13:40] <shrini> team
[13:40] <shrini> need help
[13:40] <shrini> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1
[13:41] <shrini> this command disconnectted
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> do you have bzr installed?
[13:41] <shrini> after downloading some yes
[13:41] <shrini> yes
[13:41] <shrini> i have
[13:41] <shrini> net disconnected
[13:41] <shrini> how to continue?
[13:42] <shrini> bzr: ERROR: Target directory "lucid-e1" already exists. is the error
[13:42] <shrini> but, it is partial
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> cd lucid-e1
[13:42] <shrini> ok
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> bzr pull
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> give that a go
[13:42] <shrini> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/shrinivasan/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[13:43] <ubuntujenkins> bzr pull lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1
[13:43] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: ?
[13:43] <ubuntujenkins> does that work?
[13:43] <shrini> same error
[13:44] <shrini> i downloaded 85MB
[13:44] <shrini> now the folder ahs only 52 k
[13:44] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: have to do again from start?
[13:44] <ubuntujenkins> I think you will need to delete the "lucid-e1" folder and start again with bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1
[13:45] <shrini> OMG
[13:45] <shrini> :-)
[13:45] <shrini> ok
[13:45] <shrini> will do it again
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully the internet will say connected this time.
[13:46] <shrini> hope so
[14:03] <humphreybc-mini> well that was fun
[14:08] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc-mini: I am ready to update the manual tex ppa I built the packages from very up to date source. I am just waiting for someone to answer my request to make the ppa bigger
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> you have to ask a soyuz question
[14:09] <humphreybc-mini> who have you asked?
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/113396 is where you are directed
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> thats my question asking for it to be made bigger, I did only ask yesterday
[14:13] <humphreybc-mini> oh
[14:13] <humphreybc-mini> well give them some time ;)
[14:14] <ubuntujenkins> yea I just want to get it done :-) . very much like that as a person
[14:39] <humphreybc-mini> heh
[14:39] <humphreybc-mini> I know how you feel
[16:50] <shrini1> team
[16:50] <shrini1> is there any way to rescue the disconnected "bzr branch" command?
[16:50] <shrini1> i have disconnecting net onnection
[16:51] <ubuntujenkins> shrini1: I suggest trying #bzr they migth be able to help
[16:52] <shrini1> :-)
[16:52] <shrini1> okey
[17:18] <shrini1> ubuntujenkins: resume is not possible in bzr
[17:18] <shrini1> :-(
[17:19] <shrini1> what is the total size of the repo?
[17:19] <shrini1> i downloaded 56M
[17:19] <shrini1> what is the remaining size?
[17:19] <ubuntujenkins> total is 185.5mb so 135mb remaining
[17:22] <shrini1> ubuntujenkins: thanks
[17:22] <ubuntujenkins> lets hope its third time lucky
[17:23] <pleia2> ubuntujenkins: I think just using the same time as before in a week or so will be ok
[17:23] <pleia2> re: meeting
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks pleia2 I was just thinking about it randomly
[17:27]  * pleia2 nods
[17:58]  * ubuntujenkins uploads the new latex packages
[18:29] <shrini> team
[18:29] <shrini> need help
[18:29] <shrini> make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf
[18:29] <shrini> did that
[18:29] <shrini> but
[18:29] <godbyk> what's up, shrini?
[18:29] <shrini> tamil fonts are not displayed
[18:29] <shrini> getting boxes
[18:29] <shrini> :-)
[18:30] <shrini> just tried
[18:30] <shrini> some 8% of translation is uploaded to LP
[18:30] <godbyk> shrini: let me try it here real quick.
[18:30] <godbyk> I may not have the Tamil fonts set up yet.
[18:30] <shrini> godbykthanks
[18:30] <shrini> ok
[18:31] <godbyk> shrini: yeah, I apparently don't have the tamil fonts set up yet.
[18:32] <godbyk> shrini: I'm going to grab some lunch and then I'll get the fonts for you.
[18:32] <shrini> okey
[18:32] <shrini> will be awake long today
[18:32] <godbyk> ok
[18:32] <shrini> have to uplaod the pending translations
[18:33] <godbyk> ooh.. tamil is a pretty script!
[18:34] <godbyk> okay.  lunch first. then I'll fix the fonts.
[18:34] <godbyk> :)
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I should package those today
[18:34] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: package what?
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> the tamil fonts?
[18:35] <godbyk> there are already some in the repositories. I'll probably just find a couple a like and toss 'em in.  (and change them if shrini says they look bad.)
[18:36] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: See the ttf-tamil-fonts Ubuntu package for a few of the fonts.
[18:36] <shrini> i have installed already
[18:37] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks, I am on a packing role today updated the  ppa with packages buitl on the newest possible source
[18:40] <shrini> http://saranyaselvaraj.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/latex-using-tamil-document-and-commands/
[18:40] <shrini> will this link help?
[18:43] <godbyk> shrini: That's describes what we've been doing, yeah.
[18:45] <shrini> oh
[18:45] <shrini> grea
[18:45] <shrini> t
[18:45] <godbyk> shrini: How do you indicate emphasis?  For instance, with the English fonts, we can use italics and bold.  Do italics/bold mean anything with the Tamil script?
[18:46] <shrini> :-)
[18:46] <shrini> bold/italics are there
[18:46] <shrini> but
[18:46] <godbyk> okay
[18:46] <shrini> not sure how to do in latex
[18:46] <shrini> normally it should work
[18:47] <godbyk> I'll worry about the LaTeX side of things.
[18:47] <shrini> hmmm
[18:47] <shrini> do we have any other translated pdf?
[18:47] <godbyk> I just need to know what differences I need to make for Tamil from English.
[18:47] <shrini> can compare
[18:48] <godbyk> To compare what?
[18:48] <shrini> can compare with other languages, if any
[18:48] <godbyk> Ah, well, you can see our translated PDFs on this page: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[18:49] <godbyk> (The first icon in the Files column links to the PDF.
[18:49] <godbyk> The Greek manual is almost ready to be released.
[18:54] <shrini> godbyk: wow
[18:54] <shrini> found another one
[18:55] <shrini> in my evince, the left pane has index
[18:55] <shrini> that has some proper font in tamil
[18:55] <godbyk> Yes.
[18:55] <shrini> the left side only shows boxes
[18:55] <shrini> :-)
[18:55] <godbyk> Finished lunch.  Setting up your fonts now.
[18:55] <godbyk> Do you use quotation marks?  If so, which ones?
[18:56] <shrini> godbyk: where?
[18:57] <godbyk> shrini: We're using them around the names of windows.
[18:58] <shrini> any example?
[18:58] <shrini> in po file?
[18:59] <godbyk> Anytime the \window command it used, it puts the text in quotation marks.
[18:59] <godbyk> So \window{My Window Name} would appear as "My Window Name" in the English PDF.
[18:59] <shrini> oh
[18:59] <shrini> we did not go that much
[19:00] <shrini> only 6% uploaded to LP
[19:00] <shrini> we are uploading now
[19:00] <shrini> in the mean time, tried to see how it works
[19:02] <godbyk> Not to worry. We can deal with that later.
[19:03] <shrini> okey
[19:03] <shrini> thanks
[19:03] <shrini> another question
[19:03] <shrini> i uploaded 3 full chapters in LP
[19:04] <shrini> could not get all text in tamil for 3 chapters
[19:04] <shrini> for example, check chapter 7
[19:05] <godbyk> shrini: I don't understand your question. Sorry.
[19:06] <shrini> okok
[19:07] <shrini> i uploaded the text to LP for 3 chapters
[19:07] <shrini> but seeing them in english only
[19:07] <shrini> in the pdf
[19:07] <shrini> only very few headings are shown as boxes atleast
[19:08] <godbyk> Ah, gotcha.
[19:09] <godbyk> If you've uploaded the text pretty recently (that is, after May 30th), then it won't appear yet.
[19:09] <godbyk> I have to copy the text from Launchpad into the PDFs by running a script.  And I haven't done that for a few days.
[19:10] <godbyk> If your translations appear in Launchpad, then they will appear in the PDF the next time I create it.
[19:11] <shrini> godbyk: oh
[19:11] <shrini> thats great
[19:11] <shrini> how can I compile manually?
[19:12] <shrini> i did all the bzr branch stuff
[19:12] <shrini> make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf
[19:12] <godbyk> shrini: Have you installed TeX Live 2009?
[19:12] <shrini> yes
[19:13] <godbyk> okay. Running 'make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf' should generate a PDF file by that name.
[19:13] <godbyk> If it gives you errors, paste them to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and I'll look at them for you.
[19:13] <shrini> no errros
[19:13] <shrini> I can get the pdf
[19:14] <shrini> but missing lot of stuff in tamil
[19:14] <shrini> ok
[19:14] <shrini> leave it
[19:15] <shrini> Let me finish uploading to LP fully
[19:15] <godbyk> Okay.
[19:15] <shrini> then, will check
[19:15] <shrini> but, please look on the font issue in the right pane
[19:15] <godbyk> I have to manually download the translations from Launchpad and put them in the bzr repository.
[19:15] <godbyk> They won't show up in the PDFs until I do that.
[19:15] <godbyk> shrini: I'm looking at the fonts right now. I should have the font issue fixed shortly.
[19:16] <shrini> godbyk thanks
[19:27] <shrini> checked arabic pdf
[19:27] <shrini> pages are less
[19:27] <shrini> but the fonts are good
[19:28] <godbyk> shrini: Do you have any recommendations for great-looking Tamil fonts?
[19:28] <shrini> no
[19:28] <godbyk> Most of the ones I've looked at are boring and blech.
[19:28] <shrini> what is the font name you use for tamil?
[19:28] <godbyk> Tamil is such a beautiful script, yet most of the fonts are so flat.
[19:29] <godbyk> I'm trying to decide which fonts to use right now.
[19:29] <shrini> yes. we have very less FOSS fonts in tamil
[19:29] <shrini> tons of beautiful fonts on commercial world
[19:29] <godbyk> Which commercial fonts do you like?
[19:31] <shrini> KA-lagaram
[19:31] <shrini> is a neat font
[19:31] <shrini> not free
[19:31] <shrini> we use it in our DTP centers
[19:39] <godbyk> Hey, shrini, would you like to be the translation editor for Tamil?
[19:39] <shrini> :-)
[19:39] <shrini> with pleasure
[19:40] <shrini> what i have to do/
[19:40] <shrini> ?
[19:40] <godbyk> Well, you'll be my point-of-contact for the Tamil translation team.
[19:40] <godbyk> And you'll have the final say when we're ready to publish the Tamil manual.
[19:41] <shrini> sure
[19:41] <godbyk> Awesome.  What's your full name, email address, and launchpad ID?
[19:41] <shrini> Full Name : Shrinivasan
[19:41] <shrini><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:42] <shrini> LP id : shrini
[19:43] <godbyk> Perfect, thanks!
[19:44] <shrini> thank you
[19:46] <godbyk> shrini: I'll search for some nicer fonts this evening.  I should probably get back to other work for now, though.
[19:47] <shrini> godbyk: fine
[19:47] <godbyk> If you're not on IRC when I've fixed the fonts, I will email you to let you know.
[19:47] <shrini> one interesting news
[19:47] <shrini> this sunday, june 6
[19:47] <shrini> we celebrate ubuntu release party
[19:47] <shrini> on that party
[19:47] <shrini> we planned to release this book
[19:47] <shrini> is it posible?
[19:48] <shrini> :-)
[19:48] <shrini> text is ready
[19:48] <godbyk> I don't think it will be ready in two days.
[19:48] <shrini> we will upload it to LP tonight
[19:48] <godbyk> We need to get the translations in Launchpad.
[19:48] <shrini> ya
[19:48] <godbyk> And there are some other LaTeX things I will need your help with sorting out, too.
[19:48] <shrini> oh
[19:48] <shrini> thats fine
[19:48] <shrini> let us try our best
[19:48] <godbyk> For instance, right now, the index doesn't know how to alphabetize Tamil.
[19:49] <shrini> oh
[19:49] <shrini> okey
[19:49] <godbyk> And LaTeX has some words built-in (like 'Chapter' and 'Section') that I will need you to translate.
[19:49] <shrini> i think we can keep the keywords
[19:49] <shrini> as it is
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> also there are still 26 screenshots to do
[19:50] <godbyk> Ah, good point, ubuntujenkins.
[19:50] <shrini> how do you find the numbers?
[19:50] <godbyk> shrini: http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[19:51] <godbyk> Hey, ubuntujenkins. What can we do to get rid of the php warnings on that page?  (They just look ugly.)
[19:51] <shrini> how to see the existing tamil screenshots?
[19:51] <godbyk> (I could disable warnings, but it'd be better to fix the code, I think.)
[19:51] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: not sure ask flan
[19:51] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: will do.
[19:51] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: I will find you the details of the current screenshots
[19:51] <godbyk> hey, flan! :)
[19:52] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: fine
[19:52] <shrini> is there any possible to use english screenshots?
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: the current scrrenshots for tamil are in bzr branch  lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/ta
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> I think that by using tamil screenshots it will add to the professional look of it
[19:54] <godbyk> And the screenshots are pretty easy to take.
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: do you have lucid?
[19:55] <shrini> fine
[19:55] <shrini> i have lucid
[19:55] <shrini> but the problem
[19:55] <shrini> is tamil is a different language
[19:55] <shrini> and tamil people are different
[19:55] <shrini> we prefer english than tamil for the UI
[19:55] <shrini> though we have tamil UI
[19:56] <shrini> the usage is very less
[19:56] <shrini> negligable
[19:56] <shrini> if we give this manual with tamil screenshots
[19:56] <godbyk> That's interesting.
[19:56] <shrini> people wont find in their desktops
[19:56] <ubuntujenkins> that is interesting
[19:56] <shrini> :-)
[19:56] <shrini> we are strugling hard to push tamil
[19:56] <shrini> in UI
[19:56] <godbyk> shrini: Why do most of them prefer the English UI?  Is it because most systems don't have a good Tamil UI?
[19:57] <shrini> godbyk: yes
[19:57] <shrini> and the words are very old
[19:57] <shrini> young generation feel odd to see tamil in UI
[19:57] <godbyk> Is it better to show the English screenshots or better to show the Tamil screenshots (to show them that there is a Tamil UI)?
[19:57] <shrini> English UI is better
[19:57] <shrini> for now
[19:58] <shrini> our goal is to write a book about ubuntu
[19:58] <shrini> in tamil
[19:58] <godbyk> shrini: When you talk about the names of UI things in the text, are you using the English words or Tamil words?
[19:58] <shrini> we use english words only
[19:58] <shrini> no 100% translation
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> would a new user choose tamil as their language when they did an install? If i had never used ubuntu before i would choose tamil as it is my language. (Thats my logic)
[19:59] <shrini> it wont work
[19:59] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: you are right
[19:59] <shrini> but reality here is different
[20:00] <shrini> I am with ubuntu for 3 years
[20:00] <shrini> never seen a tamil desktop
[20:00] <shrini> I used it for 1 year in tamil ui
[20:00] <godbyk> Wow.
[20:00] <shrini> others found difficult to use my system
[20:00] <godbyk> I learn so much from our translators! :)
[20:00] <shrini> even for some emergency
[20:00] <shrini> it is a shame on us
[20:01] <shrini> to reject native language in ui
[20:01] <shrini> but, we need spread ubuntu, not native language
[20:01] <shrini> :-)
[20:01] <ubuntujenkins> wow.
[20:01] <ubuntujenkins> I tend to navigate by pictures, after all of the quickshot testing
[20:01] <ubuntujenkins> the icons are always the same
[20:01] <shrini> I personally prefer tamil in ui
[20:02] <shrini> but the public wont accept it
[20:02] <godbyk> I lived in Germany for a year and didn't speak German.  When I had to use a German computer, I had to guess what the words meant based on their position (I new that 'New' was usually the first item in the File menu, for instance).
[20:04] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.  I haven't forgotten about you! I'm going to work on the Greek translation this evening after work.
[20:04] <godbyk> c7p: I think we're pretty close. I just need to run through it to make sure we haven't missed anything.
[20:04] <shrini> godbyk: thats great. germans rock
[20:04] <c7p> godbyk: hey :D I'me glad to hear that
[20:04] <shrini> it may take some years for tamil to push in UI
[20:05] <godbyk> shrini: You may have to invent some new Tamil words just for the UI. :)
[20:07] <c7p> godbyk: So the license issue is over >
[20:07] <c7p> ?*
[20:08] <godbyk> c7p: Well, for this first edition, we will have to use the English license. But we can put a Greek paragraph at the top that links to the Greek license.
[20:08] <godbyk> c7p: We're hoping to convince the Creative Commons lawyers to let our translators translate the licenses. Then they can have the translated licenses proofread or whatever and we can start using them.
[20:09] <godbyk> c7p: But for this first edition, we're stuck with English.
[20:11] <c7p> godbyk: good :) np since there is a translated paragraph explaining the situation, as it is on the license-el.tex that I have sent you recently, hmm haven't I?
[20:12] <godbyk> yep, I got your email.
[20:12] <shrini> godbyk: hahaah
[20:12] <godbyk> c7p: have you already copied that into the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file?
[20:12] <shrini> we created 1 font
[20:12] <shrini> still needs improvement
[20:12] <godbyk> shrini: It's really hard to make good fonts.
[20:13] <shrini> yes
[20:13] <c7p> godbyk: hm I don't remember let me check it
[20:14] <shrini> godbyk: http://saranyaselvaraj.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/creating-tamil-fonts/
[20:16] <godbyk> shrini: Yeah, I saw that when I was looking for fonts.
[20:17] <godbyk> shrini: Speaking of, do you like any of the fonts on this page? http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Tamil.html
[20:17] <shrini> godbyk: great
[20:17] <godbyk> shrini: Or do you have any favorite open/free fonts?
[20:17] <c7p> godbyk: I corrected the license link on the first page to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed . Now should I copy the content of license.tex into the ubuntu-manual tex ?
[20:20] <shrini> godbyk: Lohit Tamil
[20:20] <shrini> is fine
[20:20] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, it'd be a help to me if you could copy the license stuff over to the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file.
[20:22] <godbyk> shrini: thanks, I'll give it a shot.  are there any nice calligraphic-style tamil fonts?  what kinds of fonts are usually used for books written in tamil?  fonts with strokes that never vary in width? or fonts with strokes that do vary in width?
[20:23] <c7p> godbyk: sure if that helps. I paste it to the line of "\LoadLicenseFile" (of course i will delete this \LoadLicenseFile). ok?
[20:23] <shrini> godbyk: for book printing, font should not vary in width
[20:24] <shrini> godbyk: same width font should be used
[20:24] <godbyk> c7p: That should work, yeah.
[20:24] <shrini> godbyk: else, the spacing wont be even.
[20:24] <godbyk> shrini: okay.
[20:24] <shrini> as you said, that link is the famous page for tamil unicode fonts
[20:25] <godbyk> shrini: I like the ones that vary in width, though. :(
[20:25] <shrini> godbyk: can u show some example for the same in engkish?
[20:25] <shrini> have to check if I understood correctly
[20:25] <shrini> :-)
[20:26] <godbyk> shrini: Well, on that page of Tamil fonts, if you compare Lohit Tamil to Akshar Unicode, for instance.
[20:26] <godbyk> Notice that with Akshar Unicode, the thickness of the brush stroke changes as the brush changes direction.
[20:27] <godbyk> With Lohit Tamil, it looks like it was drawn with a marker instead of a brush -- the stroke widths don't change.
[20:28] <shrini> godbyk: you are right
[20:28] <shrini> that is also nice
[20:28] <shrini> but, for printing lohit tamil will be fine and professional
[20:29] <shrini> I think, if I want to change the pdf in another font, I can change in some config file and compile a new pdf with new tamil font.
[20:29] <shrini> am i right?
[20:31] <godbyk> shrini: Kind of.  Let me set it up for Lohit Tamil real quick and see if that works.
[20:33] <shrini> godbyk: great
[20:35] <godbyk> Ah, there's more code I have to write before it will work.
[20:36] <godbyk> I'll write that code tonight.  I will also send you an email with the LaTeX translations I will need from you.  (There are only about a dozen words.)
[20:43] <shrini> godbyk: sure
[20:55] <c7p> godbyk: i've sent you the mail. After inclusion of license on the main tex file, the compilation is done with success but lot with no errors :/ although the pdf looks fine
[20:56] <godbyk> c7p: you said you did get errors when you compiled it?
[20:56] <c7p> godbyk: yes re annoying lines :)
[20:56] <c7p> red*
[20:56] <godbyk> okay
[20:57] <godbyk> I'm still waiting for your email to arrive.
[20:57] <c7p> omg gmail is freezed
[20:57] <godbyk> Can you paste the ubuntu-manual-el.log file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/?
[21:00] <c7p> godbyk: finally the message has gone. check the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/444782/
[21:01] <godbyk> ok
[21:02] <c7p> godbyk: g2g brb in a half hour
[22:00] <c7p> back
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:47] <cwoollard> g'night
[22:57] <c7p> night all


[00:21] <antisober552> hi guys
[00:22] <antisober552> anyone around to help
[00:23] <Noskcaj> !ask | antisober552
[00:23] <antisober552> well im asking if theres anyone around to help
[00:24] <Noskcaj> just ask the question, then people will come
[00:24] <antisober552> i wanna install linux mint but dont have a spare dvd and dont have usb boot
[00:24] <antisober552> ive got xbuntu
[00:25] <antisober552> but was wondering if i can install linux though xbuntu
[00:26] <Noskcaj> !mint | antisober552
[00:27] <antisober552> okai
[00:27] <Noskcaj> !linux | antisober552
[00:27] <Noskcaj> it is not the operating system
[02:28] <boblob> Hi
[02:28] <boblob> Not sure how this works, but I'm having some trouble getting Bumblebee workin on Xubuntu 13.04.
[02:30] <boblob> I've followed the instruction listed here:http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=135283&hilit=bumblebee#p736279
[02:33] <boblob> Running kernel 3.9.9-030909-generic.
[03:46] <xubuntu350> How do I install a telnet server on xubuntu 12.04?  get-apt install telnetd fails when it tries to go out to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <xubuntu350> its was a dns problem, i'm an idiot, i'll show myself out
[03:56] <poisoned_dragon> lol
[04:53] <sketch_> ok so i'm watching a movie though hdmi and if i dont touch the mouse ever few the screen goes black but i got it set to never in power manager and my SS is turned off what do i do?
[06:36] <luis__> hola
[06:37] <baizon> hi
[06:37] <luis__> help me xubuntu 10.04
[06:37] <luis__> hi who are you
[06:37] <elfy> !ask
[06:39] <luis__> not mounted  to part fat32 dos
[07:45] <nyRednek> stupid question, does the live iso allow to mount encrypted volumes?
[10:27] <thomas001> hello, how can i organize my workspaces in rows and colums, like a 2x2 grid? the layout seems to depend whether the workspace switcher applet is oriented vertical or horizontal. then, only rows resp. columns are possible.
[10:36] <TheSheep> thomas001: yup, you can't
[10:36] <TheSheep> thomas001: you can *display* them in rows in the switcher, though
[10:36] <TheSheep> thomas001: that's in the switcher properties
[10:37] <TheSheep> thomas001: right-click on the switcher, select properties and change the 'rows' field
[10:38] <thomas001> oh
[10:38] <thomas001> but now i really have a grid...so with Ctrl-Alt-Arrow keys....i can switch workspaces according to the shown layout
[10:39] <thomas001> before i could only use left/right OR up/down and workspaces were lined up
[10:39] <thomas001> thanks!
[10:58] <xubuntu938> Can anyone tell me why Xubuntu wont open and install my Windows 7 Ultimate CD? Ive tried it  from sys boot to attemting to open the EXE Setup file. Its my friends Moms Stinkin Laptop and She wants it back soon. Momma always gets her way. lol any help is appreciated.
[11:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu938  seriously?
[14:06] <xubuntu096> test
[14:06] <bekks> failed.
[14:14] <awdas> Hi, when i installing xubuntu, can i choose use Full Disk Encryption ?
[14:14] <rowboatnick> awdas: yes
[14:15] <awdas> thanks, going to download ;)
[15:08] <Magnussss> Hi, I have just installed Xubuntu 13.04 64-bit and are updating my system. it stops at. rmdir. failed to remove 'var/lib7os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy. anyone have some suggestion on why the update stops there?
[15:09] <psycho_oreos> There's probably a process that is using it. Check via lsof -i.
[15:10] <psycho_oreos> Also the binary in question sounds like as if you haven't chrooted in or something and am trying to do an update from outside of chroot.
[15:11] <Magnussss> I am trying to update the system via "Software Updater". that is it basically.
[15:12] <Magnussss> I have not set up my root yet. is this the problem+
[15:13] <psycho_oreos> How do you mean you haven't setup your root yet? root directory?
[15:15] <Magnussss> i had no root access. Set it up with "sudo passwd root". But it just stays the same, nothing happens on the Software upddater
[15:15] <bekks> You had root access. It is provided by sudo.
[15:15] <bekks> !sudo
[15:16] <Magnussss> yeah, but the Software update situation. how do I manage do get it through updating. It is configuring linux-image-3.8.0-26-generic.
[15:18] <bekks> Magnussss: Which situation?
[15:19] <Magnussss> bekks, This one: Hi, I have just installed Xubuntu 13.04 64-bit and are updating my system. it stops at. rmdir. failed to remove 'var/lib7os-prober/mount': Device or resource busy. anyone have some suggestion on why the update stops there?.
[15:24] <bekks> Magnussss: Then check whats mounted there.
[15:24] <Magnussss> bekks, ok, i dont know how to do that. Could you guide me, please?
[15:26] <bekks> Magnussss: type "mount"
[15:27] <Magnussss> bekks, yes, have done so
[15:28] <Magnussss> "grub-mount on /var/lib/os-prober/mount type fuse.grub-mount (rw, nosuid, nodev)
[15:29] <Magnussss> that is one of the lines from mount
[15:32] <Magnussss> bekks, can I do something about this?
[15:33] <bekks> Thats not the line in question.
[15:33] <bekks> Whats mounted at var/lib7os-prober/mount ?
[15:35] <Magnussss> bekks, http://pastebin.com/b9sYvgvB
[15:35] <Magnussss> maybe you can find out from there?
[15:46] <Magnussss> someone with some advice?
[15:52] <awdas> So i install newest ubuntu on Virtualbox. But i getting error "piix4_smbus 0<IP_ADDRESS>: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade bios or use force_addr=0xaddr"
[15:52] <awdas> i look in google, and there people say that this error not effect anything
[15:52] <awdas> but i cant connect to internet inside VBox
[15:52] <awdas> please help
[15:52] <Sysi> IIRC I had the same error and it affected nothing
[15:54] <awdas> #Sysi
[19:00] <rebbert> hi can anybody help me?  I tried putting an xubuntu iso on my usb and it wouldn't boot correctly, and I cannot format the usb
[19:00] <David-A> how did you put the .iso on to the usb-memory?
[19:01] <rebbert> dd if=/location/of/xubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb
[19:01] <Belial`> did you check with fdisk -l to make sure it was /dev/sdb?
[19:02] <rebbert> I did, but I'll plug it in again and see if fdisk says anything
[19:03] <rebbert> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.   Disk /dev/sdb: 7803 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 948 cylinders, total 15240576 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000     Device Boot      Start         End
[19:03] <rebbert> oops..
[19:03] <rebbert> well I tried to format it after which came up with the GPT error
[19:04] <rebbert> but for some reason I'm not able to correctly format this usb
[19:04] <Sysi> create new partition table first
[19:04] <rebbert> should I use fdisk?
[19:04] <Sysi> gparted works
[19:04] <Belial`> i believe gparted will do it
[19:05] <Belial`> i've had something similar happen to me when i used unetbootin and some other usb creation tool.
[19:05] <Belial`> now i stick strictly to dd
[19:05] <Sysi> with dd you need to directly push to drive, not partition
[19:06] <rebbert> ok I made a new empty MSDOS table
[19:06] <Sysi> (ddrescue is a bit nicer than dd)
[19:06] <rebbert> I'm gonna unplug the usb then plug it back in
[19:06] <Belial`> Sysi, so like /dev/sdbX?
[19:06] <rebbert> it did not work...
[19:07] <Sysi> Belial`: /dev/sdX instead of sdXX
[19:07] <rebbert> let me post a screenshot
[19:07] <Sysi> rebbert: you need to create new partition after creating new partition table
[19:07] <rebbert> Oh
[19:09] <FoxyRK9> I am installing Xubuntu on my Laptopand was wondering if there are any good themes
[19:09] <FoxyRK9> Im looking for a dark theme due to my eyes
[19:10] <rebbert> I personally like this one
[19:10] <rebbert> http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/art/DeLorean-Dark-Themes-3-8-379643446
[19:12] <FoxyRK9> Voyager is based off Xubuntu but all the ISos won't boot to Live USB so I decided to use Xubuntu. I liked that theme and was wondering if there was a theme to make Xubuntu look like it.
[19:12] <rebbert> ok... it seems gparted is having difficulties formatting this usb
[19:13] <David-A> there is a dark theme called "aud-Default", I think it is part of the Audacious music player. (many dark themes have poor distiction of active buttons and tabs and such, but this one is okay in that regard)
[19:13] <rebbert> stuck on create a new ext2 filesystem
[19:13] <rebbert> I'm wondering if my usb is corrupted..
[19:16] <David-A> rebbert: it doesn't have U2 or some other stupid firmware in it?
[19:16] <David-A> *U3
[19:16] <Sysi> it might take a while to create new partition
[19:16] <rebbert> how can one tell if it has firmware on it?
[19:17] <rebbert> it's a kingstone usb
[19:19] <David-A> if it has U3 it usually says so on the package and on the stick itself. it is as if they were pride of it.
[19:20] <rebbert> it most likely isn't then
[20:55] <micheleantonelli> hi guys
[20:55] <micheleantonelli> anyone can helpme?
[20:56] <holstein> !ask | micheleantonelli
[21:06] <xubuntu676> I recently installed xubuntu 12.04.2 on an old Gateway 486 machine. Things work well excepting the screen resolution. It is locked in at 1024x768, despite the nVidia card being able to support other resolutions. I have downloaded and installed the nVidia driver but it failes with an error of 'undefined symbol: miTranslateRegion'. Use of an xorg.conf and other suggestions gathered in searches have not panned out. Is there anything
[21:07] <holstein> !nvidia | xubuntu676
[21:08] <holstein> i would do what it takes to install a supported proprietary driver, if there is one for your device, which you can sort out at that link ^
[21:08] <holstein> xubuntu676: the nvidia configuration utilty should create an xorg.conf you can put in place.. thats how it worked for me
[21:12] <xubuntu676> I have been to the VideoDriverHowto page, and it was quite helpful. I'll read through it again to see if I missed something. I did download the proprietary driver from nVidia, and executing the .run file worked without errors. On boot, the log file indicated the 'undefined symbol: miTranslateRegion' error, so I have been trying xorg.conf files. The end result is always that 'undefined symbol' error.
[21:13] <bekks> Run the .run again, and uninstall it.
[21:13] <bekks> Use the nvidia drivers provided in the Ubuntu repos.
[21:14] <Sysi> if it's an old card, check that you have a right version of the driver
[21:18] <xubuntu676> The card is an old nVidia Riva TNT (rev04), which I did not see on the Ubuntu supported lists. I'll check again and try the Ubuntu version if I can find it. Searching the nVidia site for the TNT card led me to the .run file for the driver I loaded. I can try an uninstall, redownload, and reinstall to see if that makes a difference. Another question I have is does xubuntu support the xvesa driver instead of nouveau?
[21:19] <xubuntu676> I have TinyCore that uses xvesa and that does allow selection of all of the possible nVidia resolutions.
[21:21] <David-A> xubuntu676: (as a general rule, you don't download and install things yourself in ubuntu. use the software center and to automatically detect and install a driver, the Additional Hardware Driver utility, in system settings) (Additional Hardware Driver, Language Support and Software Center all installs from the same ubuntu repositories)
[21:22] <Sysi> installing (nvidia) drivers manually isn't supported even if it might be more reliable than "the ubuntu way"
[21:22] <bekks> xubuntu676: That card isnt supported by nvidia since ages now. All you can do is using the nouveau driver.
[21:26] <xubuntu676> Understood re the driver install and support, but since I could not find a driver on the ubuntu software center I decided to go the other route. I'll keep trying, as I do enjoy xubuntu and it seems to be running well on this old machine. Thanks all.
[21:27] <Sysi> I think that you can get "unsupported" resolutions even with vesa if you add them to xorg.conf
[21:30] <genii> The manpage for nouveau states support for nv4 and nv5 ( TNT and TNT2 )
[21:46] <nantou> does xubuntu support 3o digits passwords?
[21:46] <nantou> 30*
[21:46] <knome> nantou, why wouldn't it?
[21:46] <Sysi> I don't think there's sensible limit
[21:47] <nantou> knome, noob asks
[21:47] <genii> I thought it was set in /etc/pam.d/common-password
[21:48] <nantou> please instruct the noob on how to change the passwoird
[21:49] <David-A> nantou: yes it can, I just changed to a 30 char passwd for a user on my system
[21:50] <David-A> nantou: you change passwd in the system settings for Users And Groups, or in a terminal with the passwd command
[21:57] <nantou> as a security measure, can I configure xubuntu so every time somebody writes an incorrect password 3 or 5 times, it shuts down and cannot be turned on for the next 15 or 30 minutes?
[21:59] <Sysi> do you have encrypted harddrive and grub password already?
[21:59] <nantou> ill have it encrypted as soon as I get the new HDD, didnt think of a grub password
[21:59] <nantou> that would be 3 passwords, right? encryption, grub and xubuntu
[22:01] <Sysi> grub passwd isn't mandatory but without it you might want to disable failsafe root without passwd
[22:02] <David-A> (have you seen the support questions how to bypass encrypted filesystem, because they forgot the password? don't forget it :)
[22:03] <nantou> right, i have a feeble memory, that may be a problem
[22:03] <Sysi> there's always this http://xkcd.com/538/
[22:05] <nantou> lol
[22:05] <nantou> all my effort is rendered futile
[22:05] <David-A> (write it down and stick it to the monitor. but don't let a tv-team in. i'v seen in the news from a workplace a monitor with notes "user: xxx; password: xxx" clearly visible for the nation)
[22:11] <Guest15065> what size is enough for /boot partition, my harddrive is 300Gb
[22:11] <Guest15065> ?
[22:14] <David-A> Guest15065: come back, just wait a little more and you'd have an answer
[22:19] <genii> I'd probably want 250-300M for /boot and occasionally to clean out some kernels
[22:28] <nantou> i think i fkkd up, I cannot write the correct new password, any workarounds ?
[22:36] <David-A> is the keyboard layout the same when you sat the password as when you type it now? (and it contains other letters than A-Z 0-9)
[22:39] <nantou> David-A, no keyboard layout change, yes it includes lots of non ascii characters
[22:55] <David-A> nantou: (non-answer) I don't know what happens with unicode chars i passwds when you type them bios or grub or login or when already logged in. if and where locale encoding comes to play? (never dared to try)
[22:56] <David-A> nantou: (time to post a support issue how to bypass harddisk encryption now?)


[09:37] <sgmoore> I need someone with fancy upload rights to upload kongress, angelfish, skanpage, tokodon, qmlkonsole, neochat, merkuro, ktrip, ksanecore, kpublictransport, kosmindoormap, kopeninghours, kio-admin, itinerary
[09:38] <sgmoore> All pushed to git with tags
[10:22] <sgmoore> remove ksanecore from that list it was sponsered
[11:49] <Guest93> Why is 23.04 still in the download list if it is no longer supported?
[12:12] <sgmoore> Rick is working on revamping kubuntu.org. A great many things are wrong/outdated currently.
 I'll take Scarlett's request, no worries Aaron :)
[12:50] <Guest93> sgmoore: thanks
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:42] <mparillo> 23.04 removed from the main download page.
[17:44] <mparillo> And from the alternative downloads page
[19:30] <valorie> sgmoore: what's the best email for you? CC'd you on my reply to the LFNW email but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bounced
[19:31] <valorie> I figure you have a new one but I don't have it
[20:00] <tsimonq2> valorie: Replace clark with moore and that will work :)
[22:42] <valorie> thanks


[21:36] <OLl> anybody there? oes rhywun yma?
[21:37] <brobostigon> o/
[21:38] <OLl> unrhyw brofiad cyfieithu? any idea how to translate these? S_uspend  _Hibernate  Comm_ent:
[21:38] <OLl> I know the words but don't know what to do with the underscore
[21:40] <brobostigon> OLl: good question, no idea,sorry,
[21:44] <OLl> Dim problem. Thanks anyway
[21:44] <brobostigon> ok. sorry.
[22:56] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.


[17:00] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper I'm no longer op in this channel. can either of you change topic to Next status meeting Monday: 12/11
[17:01] <rharper> blackboxsw:  /topic all yours
[17:02] <blackboxsw> teach a man to fish ....
[17:02] <blackboxsw> tjx
[17:02] <blackboxsw> thx
[17:20] <smoser> someoow i can make it auto-op you. let me find
[18:23] <blkadder> Hi all. Having problems partitioning a device: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26113667/ Wondering if it is me or an actual bug…
[18:24] <blkadder> Do I need to explicitly wipefs the device beforehand perhaps?
[18:25] <smoser> blkadder: well, ideally you would not need to.
[18:25] <blkadder> That’s what I would hope. :-)
[18:25] <smoser> i'd consider it a bug in cloud-init, but yeah. thats what the issue is.
[18:25] <smoser> maybe there is some way to say that ... let me check
[18:25] <blkadder> Gracias.
[18:28] <smoser> what is yit looks like if you can live with a gpt it might work
[18:28] <smoser> table_type: <'mbr'/'gpt'>
[18:28] <blkadder> k
[18:29] <blkadder> I’m trying to move /var so hope so.
[18:29] <smoser> go ahead and file a bug though please
[18:29] <smoser> ubuntu-bug cloud-init
[18:29] <blkadder> Will do, thanks.
[18:29] <smoser> will do it
[18:39] <blkadder> Done.
[18:47] <blkadder> gpt works, thanks.
[20:24] <ybaumy> hi
[20:24] <ybaumy> can somebody help me find an error in a cloud-init python config script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/26114214/ the error is at the bottom
[20:25]  * rharper takes a peek
[20:25] <ybaumy> for there were the default path variables wrong on centos
[20:25] <ybaumy> s/for/first
[20:25] <ybaumy> i changed those
[20:25] <ybaumy> and then this error comes up
[20:26] <rharper> I wonder if there's something up with the python2.7 puppet in centos then ?
[20:26] <rharper> 6? 7 ?
[20:26] <ybaumy> its 7 the latest patches
[20:27] <ybaumy> i already wrote a post to the mailling list but no one replied yet. and i need that puppet working
[20:27] <Wulf> with six.StringIO() as outputstream...
[20:27] <Wulf> perhaps something wrong with six?
[20:27] <blackboxsw> there was a BytesIO instead of stringIO
[20:27] <blackboxsw> I think I already submitted a patch for that
[20:27] <rharper> google is telling me python2.7 and with and StringIO may be problematic
[20:27]  * blackboxsw lookgs
[20:27] <blackboxsw> f831a874021f3d6d24cbe5639a176f416b5436a6 in master
[20:28] <rharper> blackboxsw: ah, fixed upstream but maybe not yet in centos's cloud-init
[20:28] <blackboxsw> not sure if that's in the centos version that is being run agains
[20:28] <rharper> there are some fedora/rhel folks in here
[20:28] <rharper> ybaumy: you may need to file a centos/rhel issue to get the upstream commit merged into the distro cloud-init
[20:29] <ybaumy> i had trouble with django issues with katello/foreman and i installed the latest django version. would something like that be possible to fix this?
[20:29] <ybaumy> i installed that with pip
[20:30] <ybaumy> rharper: that will take forever i guess
[20:30] <blackboxsw> yeah given the comment on line 77 of the pastebin, my patch for BytesIO isn't in that version
[20:30] <rharper> yeah, I dunno what the general frequency of updates
[20:30] <Wulf> I had a look at debian/sid, and python2 doesn't like with six.StringIO() either.
[20:31] <ybaumy> ok then i will write an update to my mail to the mailling list
[20:31] <blackboxsw> hrm, we have a copr daily build of master at  https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/ that might help in this case. :/ at least it'd have the cloud-init fix
[20:33] <ybaumy> ah it might be in epel already
[20:33] <ybaumy> let me check that
[20:34] <ybaumy> hmm no not in the official
[20:42] <ybaumy> yea
[20:42] <ybaumy> :D
[20:42] <ybaumy> works
[20:42] <ybaumy> you still have to change pathes in py and compile to pyc
[20:44] <ybaumy> thanks guys
[20:48] <blackboxsw> good to hear
[20:48] <blackboxsw> at least we don't have an upstream bug to work ;)
[20:50] <rharper> ybaumy: what's the path changes ?
[20:50] <rharper> that sounds like possible upstream bug or is this related to your pip ?
[20:50] <ybaumy> ok last question before i quit for today. the certname is nocloud.kent-hanchett.1000.local but my hostname is kent-hanchett.1000.local. why is that? i added certname: "%i.%f" to the cloud-init config
[20:51] <ybaumy> rharper: i dont think so. on the client i havent updates django yet only on the server
[20:58] <ybaumy> i removed the %f
[20:58] <ybaumy> i mean i
[20:58] <ybaumy> now the hostname is correct
[21:02] <dojordan> @blackboxsw I've addressed your comments, when you get a chance can you look again? https://code.launchpad.net/~dojordan/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334341
[21:06] <blackboxsw> dojordan: thanks, will do today. trying to unstick myself at the moment ;)
[21:29] <ybaumy> rharper: path changes to /etc/puppetlabs/puppet and the /var/lib/puppet/ssl to /etc/puppetlabs/puppet/ssl
[21:29] <ybaumy> rharper: this is the client from the official repo
[21:29] <rharper> ybaumy: does that match what distro clients use?
[21:30] <ybaumy> rharper: i dont know... the official katello install docu says i should use this client. so i did
[21:30] <rharper> I think it could make sense to support both ;
[21:30] <ybaumy> rharper: think so too.
[21:31] <rharper> ybaumy: can you file a bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug and attach your changes to the path ? we can pick that up from there
[21:31] <ybaumy> or make the path configurable
[21:31] <ybaumy> in the cloud-init.cfg
[21:32] <rharper> yeah
[21:32] <ybaumy> rharper: will open a bug
[21:32] <rharper> thanks
[21:32] <ybaumy> np
[21:33] <blackboxsw> does puppet.cfg announce that configuration path difference?
[21:33]  * blackboxsw wonders if we can inspect that config change from puppet itself (either through cmdline or config file)
[21:35] <ybaumy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1736261 hope thats enough
[21:36] <ybaumy> im off for today. thanks for your fast help guys. really brought me forward
[21:38] <rharper> ybaumy: thanks again for the bug
[22:40] <smoser> blackboxsw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26114924/
[22:40] <smoser> that seems to function for laujnch-softlayer
[22:40] <smoser> lots of improvements still to do, but generally gets near there. and makes me more familiar with  launch-ec2 also
[22:44] <blackboxsw> smoser: good deal, I was just pushing up changes to launch-ec2 for specific vpc/subnet/route_table fixes
[22:44] <blackboxsw> checking it out
[22:45] <blackboxsw> just pushed to qa-scripts everything I have ( just finished testing --proposed ec2 for the dhcpclient  sanbox fixes)
[22:45] <blackboxsw> smoser: can you push a launch-softlayer to qa-scripts too. we can consolidate on next iteration
[23:06] <smoser> blackboxsw: i'll push tomorrow